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I think it's a good idea to go back to the game and see what's going on with the game.
It's another marvelous day here in multiple Blast land day number three and you want to
know the best thing about day three Quinn.
What's that?
That is the last day about best of ones.
Oh, the rubber meeting the road.
I mean, it's not like I'm
not going to be able to do
anything. I'm not going to be
able to do anything. Yeah, it
is going to start looking that
way. Because teens don't know
what's looking right. No one
has yet decided whether
they're going to be skipping
that's that playing phase
going straight to play of
no one's looked in the last
chance survival. Best of three
either. So there is still a
lot of movement to go on,
but more best of ones on
the horizon. That's that's
the real fun here. It is
the fun and I think much
to my chagrin Tundra appears
to just be they did just
They're in pole position for the first, but it's not guaranteed, there's still matches to be played.
And my hopes are on an upset because them continuing to get first is just a little disappointing to me.
Sure, they technically have lost.
They did lose one game.
One game?
One Beastmaster, the toilet hand hero of the tournament.
Well look, we can talk about that in a little bit because I want to refresh everyone's minds
on just what happened for our day number two best of once.
He doesn't dance, he lives and he'll slide down Crystallis.
He's gonna get surrounded but FDZ doesn't want him.
He knows that the Beast Boss can't be dealt with.
Here's the jump of Zayas.
Blow him up.
Can they get out?
They have to dream call it onto the three of them.
They'll try for the blue coach, come on in.
Oh god.
They'll still float down to the three as well as the simpite over.
They're not getting out alive from this one mouse.
They'll lose three.
They might have one final flight in them.
Your patch is up to about ten.
They do get a good call on to you man.
Very close to the base.
Nice blast.
Oh, that's a big arena blast, I went up to the 3rd, and my goodness, Whisper blows the mark!
Armies to the try, and Stannis ground with a BKB, Chase scooter out of the fight,
jump forward for nothing to save, and Marys could BKB ready to pop as well,
there's the BKB, the back of the pack with some mark,
catching with X-Nerver and Armie in the FB,
Armies ready to come in with the right clickstick.
Being adjusted is your welcome, this is the greatest practice hero change.
And to a 5-year-old ravage, this is the best possible chance Mikkei's gonna get
to take these heroes down, but Chris was this too damn strong a kill
for the space slug.
You know, on this kill, the Sapphire does manage to get it.
The stun goes out.
Another beautiful spear knocking down the two of them.
Dragonite and Timbersaw both stun.
They get into the splitter and look at how
he's just pathetic, man.
They go in, they go after the Mars here.
They see Pulverize on the Dragonite.
Oh, my God.
Dying fast, man.
Dying instantly.
I'm doing way too much damage.
Second round of Pulverize on a collapse.
I mean, it's gonna be three hits on everybody.
I mean, then this fight was over for me.
And the kid's got the buyback available, he'll use it.
Once you get back over the walls to fight,
and then you TP over here to help out Nisha and Ace,
he's in on top of Amar.
Ace will get a Serena down to control the two of them.
Amar bought by the stuff from Nisha to bring Amar down,
quick to fall.
The buyback coming in there from Liquid,
the tier four's fall.
Liquid get the catch onto Cret.
It's gonna be GG, it's over.
It's called liquid. We'll take the game.
Well now we can see exactly where our teams are shaping up after that day at number two.
That means they've either played seven best of ones or eight best of ones for themselves.
My maths is quick there.
That does look correct.
It wasn't very quick, by the way.
It was math.
It was math.
I don't know about quick math, but look, you're seeing that one blemish on Pundra's name right there.
They had the one loss that they had to themselves. Beast monster and fully maybe dive into that. Let's talk about all the other teams. Are there any teams you're like, wow, super surprised at that placement right now?
I think Falcons, I didn't expect them to, I mean, I put them in first, but like that was kind of just bad.
Me?
After day one, I didn't expect them to be perfect anymore, but I didn't expect them to be this low. I think losing some of the games they've lost, they lost a couple of games where they were ahead significantly and through the way. That is very not typical Falcons fashion.
Did you not watch Blastland 4 Finals?
I mean, I suppose, I suppose, but I chalked it up more of the PTSD and Tundra being just like they're just written in the stars
Yeah, so I'm honestly very surprised by that and mouths as well have looked just straight cheeks and at the you know
The past few months they've been sort of on the rise
I think generally so a change in their trajectory that I didn't necessarily expect well
I think mine's actually more on the side of liquid that might be when my surprise is coming from and it's not necessarily again
I thought that they would be bottom but right now they're sitting in that like top four slot
They're really rivaling to even hit the first top one or two spots then and bypass
Straighten to the play-ins or sorry the playoffs for themselves
But with the way that we saw their qualifiers go as well as the previous online tournament
I think I am a little bit surprised that they're there and also because of the length of their games
All right, they have been enjoying their 60 plus 70 plus minute games and that happened twice yesterday
the first one that started off
that day was the second series
over on the B stream where they
came up against Navi.
84 and a half minutes is how they
ended up concluding that game.
And it was a whip.
Yeah, these games are just,
they're just such a mess.
And you start to get like physical,
like your physical person starts
to affect the game.
Like you can start feeling like
you're kind of uncomfortable.
Maybe you have to pee.
There's like random stuff like
that that affects these games
when they're that long.
It's truly like it's just not
Dota it becomes something else like you start playing an overwatch minigame or not overwatch. It is a watch
What's the code? It's the game the demo game that everyone plays is it overwatch over a throw. Sorry gracious
Dude, I think you're on your own way. I have no idea what you are reference the minigame
I do but there's like a lot of arcade games. Yeah, that's true
I don't know why I'm saying I watch anyway late game is crazy and I'm surprised like I think it says something to liquids
that's the only thing that
happens. I think that's the
biggest thing that happens.
Ideas are just added. They do
and I think that I think that
honestly adds up and I think it
matters to back. They won both
these games. I think generally
like games are kind of
coin flip the answer. If you're
winning them on a consistent
basis, then I think that
says something more than just
Yeah, they happened to win
like there's there's
something there to meet on
those bones. The five by
the way that was one
continuous fight that we were
watching that there were a
lot of five acts that
happened. It was
you know, you're not going to
be able to do that. You do not
get fights like that unless you
are looking down the barrel of
a 70 80 minute game. So a lot
of fun and brings back to the
conversation we were having of
when do you pull the trigger on
a buyback? Are you playing a
game of cat and mouse here? Is
it a game of chicken? Even do
you want to be the first
person to do it? And do you
miss a window almost on. Hitting
the buyback button. Yeah, I
think it comes a lot down to
that clutch factor and having
the one who's at fault, you want to look silly or bad as your team dies and you're sitting
there with your buyback ready to go. And so I think it's important to, yes it does, you
don't want to be the dude, people do like toxic tips too, they like tip the guy who's
not at the fight, you know, like, buy off you, yeah exactly. So I think a lot of that
comes onto how confident you are in yourself and your ideas and going down that stretch,
just believing in yourself. And I think some teams and players will be better than
that of others.
Yeah, and Liquid doing it against Navi,
I think great use of not only buybacks,
but obviously draft for themselves there.
In this series up against Falcons that went 63 minutes,
kind of only really just over the hour mark there.
It was a weird and wacky sort of draft,
but it was an incredibly close game,
and it did factor into all of those things
about positioning for team fights, execution,
but also a couple of buybacks,
and that's either like to the props of Liquid,
or maybe even sometimes the downfall
with half of these fight points.
Yeah, I think Topu especially, this is,
Wyvern is a hero that he loves.
He was always trying to make this hero work.
And like, this is his, this patches his happy place.
He gets to play Marana and Wyvern.
He would play these heroes like his favorite heroes.
And I think he was in his element this game
and it showed with a lot of key curses
and key positioning with Maureen hunting
in the entire game.
But he still managed to have amazing spell casting
in so many of these gazillion teamfights.
Yeah, one of my curiosities about the Wyvern
is also the passive.
we didn't actually really get to touch on it too much,
despite it being like the one and only time
we will get to see how I feel.
Is anyone for the one that is,
you can heal, build it,
and not the recursive ult?
Yeah, I think the recursive, to be honest,
when you're in a game,
like when everyone's a pro player,
everyone's super good,
you just don't get ult on the doors
hitting each other,
where everyone dies,
it just doesn't happen.
And there was a moment where
Falcons would wanna fight the pushing base
And the building heal ones saved them from losing two sets of racks.
Like I think they would have lost two full sets, and instead they lose like half of one set.
Because you just keep spam healing.
I would be exactly the one you're talking about. It was like literally only him alive and then Boxy was like a couple of seconds on the tiny respawn.
And it was the Barracks and then they had Fortify and then back on the Barracks he used it and then they used their other full- yeah.
That is... I didn't really think about that. It's... I think more impactful for high ground than anything else.
Yeah, it doesn't do much for most of the game, but when it does something it does a lot.
where's the other one just kind of never does anything?
Well, that's the amazing thing on the side of Liquid is just how much that's the fourth
side because what we don't talk about much when it comes to, you know, leads that teams have
is experience. It's almost always down to the goal, the lead. Well, like that's a team that is
a really good physician to win right now. If you're 10, 20, 30 KR, you would almost always
have a massive win probability towards you. But we don't really talk about experience.
And in the Liquid Falcons game, there was 10 levels difference between their supports.
So Topha was on level 18, Boxy 22, whereas Snake King and Crit were both on 25.
And I'm still impressed at how teamfights played out and the fact that Liquid won,
but the fact that they had the win probability in their favor, despite the fact that both
Gold and Experience were in favor of Falcons. Yeah, it just shows how complex Dota is
and how sometimes items and levels at a certain point don't matter as much as execution does,
and I think having stuff like you have win or wyvern against Sven, or you have less rack in a
game where the enemy lacks damage, like go to plus is not, it's not perfect, but it is pretty good
at dictating these things to winchance. Oftentimes you look at and you're like, yeah, that makes
sense based on these heroes, and I think it was cooking in this game, right? Like liquid,
when it goes down the stretch, you look at Falcon's heroes, they've got the triple stun
bros. When you have that and it goes really, really late, you can run into damage problems,
and we saw that in some of these fights with Ace staying alive for a really long time, getting six,
seven spears off, our Topol getting these huge curses and heals off, the ability to save and
stay alive, the more spells you get off in these chaotic fights, it goes a long way.
It really does. We're going to have a look at our schedule today though to see when Liquid might
be pulling out some more of their 60 plus minute games for themselves. And here on the Ace
Dream, it's going to unfortunately be a while before you get to see Liquid because they're
They're actually not playing here at all.
Holy crap.
Are they?
I can't see that little bit more.
They are not.
So if you want to catch any of the liquid action over in the B
stream there for yourself, but we
get to have a little bit of fun starting off.
There we go.
There's the schedule.
Now you get to see it.
The horse is all over the place now.
Yeah.
I mean, they still have a fair few games.
Like I said, either teams will be playing four best
of ones for themselves or three best of ones today.
And that is why there is still so much potential
for movement in the standings.
like tundra yes they've only lost one and in some crazy universe they end up
losing like the four games that they have to play today they're obviously
they're not going to be looked in for one or two and bypassed the playoffs so
that is why there is so much that can still happen it's almost not worth
talking about it and just jumping into our first matchup og spirit here who
og had a fantastic day number one went undefeated for an oath for themselves
yesterday a lot more tumultuous one win three losses and that brings them to
the five and three school line.
Yeah, they're honestly,
they're drafted and very inconsistent.
I think they've picked this axe here a couple of times
and it's falling really flat.
We had the montage of force or, you know,
what was Nico just eating off the chain.
And they also had-
But that was also a Naga carry.
You cannot 100% aim on the axe for that game.
That's true.
That is true.
They didn't have Naga carry,
but he also had another axe game
where he was feeding off the chain.
So I look-
That one I have no excuses.
Yeah.
I look in my CA version.
OG, I think they're really creative
and they're willing to branch out and pick some heroes that look really great in specific games.
But I think they also, that can bite you.
If you go a little too far, you pick stuff that's a little too crazy.
And so for OG, I think keeping that Kisselstead formula,
we've seen them go back to the Mars first pick in some of their more recent games,
which I think is great, Yopaj, and forced both look amazing on this hero.
And so I think if they have heroes that are comfortable and they have drafts that work for them,
then I think they're in a great spot.
It's just such a funny round-rubbin of a best of one to look at in a way,
because Heroic beat OG, XG beat OG,
but then OG beat Falcons, who in themselves had beat XG,
and then OG lose to Navi.
And I'm just like, what is going on here?
The best ones really truly do bring out so much more,
whether that's in the way that you execute plays,
and lineups and also the draft there,
which maybe is a little bit to be considered
15 Spirit II, who are almost the complete inverse,
only two wins for themselves and five losses.
And I'm incredibly surprised on this considering
we just saw them in the finals of an online tournament
four days ago, five days ago.
Yeah, I think they have not meshed well
with Morel at all this tournament.
I think there's been quite a big dissonance
between them and their mid-player.
The heroes he's playing,
he doesn't look particularly comfortable on.
And they've also, you know, similar to OG,
I think some of these games have been drafting
in a very uncharacteristic way for themselves.
When I think about Spirit,
I think about teamfights,
I think about scaling and I think about draft cohesion between their own heroes.
Like some teams like counter picking the enemy and some teams like picking for themselves.
And I think Spirit is the poster child for, we're gonna pick for ourselves,
we're gonna pick heroes that work well together, and this is the most recent game they lost to Extreme.
You look at their heroes, they've got Razor, Dragonite, Ursa Cores.
These co- it's all triple right clicking guys, they get heavily countered by Sheeva's,
they get heavily countered by being able to kite and by teamfight.
And you look at Extreme, they've got really easy execution, they've got great teamfight and great scaling.
This game was relatively even. It was kind of back and forth for a while, and at some point it's 40 minutes,
and Spirit just can't win anymore. And when I think of Spirit, that's the complete opposite of the way they normally draft and play.
And strikes me as like, there's clearly some identity crises or something really weird going on, because this is very uncharacteristic.
I've got the answer. You want it?
Yes.
They picked Laga.
That frog has not been doing well. He's been licking, but he's not been winning.
Do you know? Because I know that you're looking at some numbers, Elliot. Do you actually know his win rate?
Don't know the number. I mean it's like a it's not a whole number or it's a whole number, but it's not like whatever the heck
It's no zero at the end. I imagine he's like
three and
Ten or something he is a five and a ten. So I mean three percent. Okay, it's better than I expected
yeah, but
Like if there's that heavy out that we've always spoken about is
Did blog go win the game or was he just in a game that won? Yeah
There's definitely some instances that it's also hard to gauge because he's a hero that so much of his impact is you don't really notice it
Like the Croco geniuses a spell you never will notice the old is kind of like casually healing people and giving them armor
You don't really notice that even the stun that's dropping on the gown
It's kind of faint and like hard to actually see it the lick you see it purts
You don't really see I don't know it's just a hero that is maybe doing stuff
But you don't actually know how much it's doing I feel like when you're playing it
You notice it especially the spell if you dispel yourself or an ally you get the health regen
Right and it's equivalent to pretty much using a tango like it's pretty impactful, especially early game
But when you observe a game, you're not gonna sit there and be like, oh my gosh look how much he's re-jetting that's the look that liquid
He doesn't have to go back to bed
He doesn't have to spend more money on take like it's really small things like that
You don't notice so we are being incredibly critical
But it's hard not to when you look at these numbers when you're seeing it flexed into either five four or three
And it still is only winning five games. Yeah, I mean in his defense
He's also being
Meal of brother
Object now
I think the logo is a bit sauce
But he's also a first pick hero in a lot of these games and first pick heroes while they'll have lower win rates then
Heroes that are picked later as a reason for that right to make pick first to being countered more if we saw a last
Pig larger in every game
I think this year would have a very different win rate
And so I think you have to give heroes that are first pick consistently slightly more leniency in terms of the the win
It's a hero that is a flex like you said and so first pick and a flex
There's some value there outside of we're not just picking it because he's a great game for it
Yeah, the people that I have been noticing play this off-lane logger
Of course a lot of people have been trying it but collapse is one of them
Right. He was actually the first that we got to see a blast and playing it for off-lane logger
Would you say it's a collapse hero? No
Yeah
This is the other thing that I'm thinking about is people valuing the fact
He's a flex the fact that he's new that he has a lot of these like passive aura things
It's just through a plank at them. They're like wake up little bro
Time to get sleepy. He's fairly a little cold. It is actually pretty cold
Anyway, that's all off topic. What was I saying? Oh, yeah
It's is logo collapse archetype or even any off-laner archetype like is there a specific player you go?
Lago would a hundred percent fit that person's play style. I think it fits force. Oh
Uh, I think he's a player who likes buying auras and he likes being tanky likes getting in there
And he also plays sort of unorthodox heroes. I think one of his best heroes is darks here, right?
It's the aura buying run-in blob sort of chaos. You don't really fully see the impact hero
I think Largo is a similar theme and I could see Largo be a lot better for OG than it is for spirit
Okay
Well, we'll see just how contested if at all Largo is gonna beef because our first best of one if a day number three is ready
We'll see which frogs land on which lily pad is right now.
I'm not seeing any form of lago in our bands.
The Ducks here, you did briefly,
right at the end of the sneak back reference in there
and Teen Spirit go, ooh, great reminder.
Gonna ban that one out.
Brewmaster, I almost called him Brewspirit.
Brewspirit ban.
Brewfrog.
And Ursa, with the Viper and Batrider
being the bans from the side of OG.
So Teen Spirit getting to have the first pick
for themselves, gonna see where they wanna lean towards.
Yeah, the Ducks here ban is interesting.
I mean, the Brewban as well.
We've seen this sort of losing quite a bit recently, it is an okay win rate, but I think
these are very much heroes that they just don't want to pick that much and they have
the luxury of being on first pick that they're just going to say, we're going to ban heroes
that you play, not so much that are even super broken right now or that everyone prioritizes
but we think they're good for you and we're not interested in picking them so we'll
just ban them now, so we don't have to worry about them later.
The Ursa is some weird spirit PTSD hero though.
No, no, no, no, no, no. Other people are doing it too. Other people are doing it too.
The first case, there's a band?
Yeah.
No one errors consistently, Spirit.
But other teams aren't.
Interesting.
I don't necessarily understand, I don't necessarily understand or agree with it, but...
Same.
Fair enough.
Same, I'm in the same camp as you.
And, uh, yeah, so then our opening phase for both of these teams here, Spirit just go for the Mars.
Mars stock rising right now, it's looking fantastic on a lot of different off-laners,
and something collapse loves for himself and OG Primal.
When we saw Falcons go up against OG yesterday,
we were like, ooh, Primal Band.
A little bit suspicious.
Not so much now that we see it,
that they want to open their drafts, whip it.
Clearly this is something they really want to keep pulling out.
Yeah, I think both of these heroes
are good for their respective teams.
OG has two great Primal players.
I think Forrest is probably a better Primal
than Yopah, he'll most likely be in the offline,
because he's one of the best Primals in the world.
I think Forrest is super, super comfortable on that hero.
And on the flip side, it's Collapsed Mars, like, he needs no introduction.
He's won at least one TI, playing the Serial Assault 1.
He wasn't playing that much Mars, the second one.
I can attest to that.
But the hero is just incredibly powerful.
And also, I think a great start for a draft, because he gives you Teamfight,
he gives you Stuns, he gives you a lot of things that every draft needs.
And he gives you that right away on top of that.
He's a strong laner, so you won't really get punished or run over that easily.
It's just, if it's a meta where Mars is decent at all,
It's hard to be unhappy with the Syrah when it's first picked.
Now, this is the phase we would normally be seeing Lager get picked up in the last few best of ones we've been watching.
And so, OG just take it out of the pool. Still that priority on him, despite a lot of results saying otherwise there.
And now you've got to look at what other meta supports are still in this pool.
So, Shadow Demon is one people are really enjoying for themselves.
I think it's very good with Primal, you get to stack combo where you stack all these camps and then Primal Farms and you get to disseminate.
And not to mention you're against Mara so you have an extra save for that. It's a hero that plays behind Primal so you get to thank your boy and then you follow that up as sort of a save follow-up helper hero.
I think there's a lot of synergy there, it makes a lot of sense.
plays behind Primal, so you get the thank you, boy.
And then you follow that up as sort of a save,
follow-up helper hero.
I think there's a lot of synergy there.
Makes a lot of sense.
Could also be something like a willow or something.
I think it makes a lot of sense.
It's a great pick.
And it's hard to really point anything wrong with it.
I think OG off the bat, this is very solid.
Nothing really wrong with it.
That's good.
It's only two picks, but that's good
that the first two picks have nothing wrong with it.
You'd be surprised how far it is.
I do not say I'd be surprised.
I've witnessed many a competitive game and looked at many a competitive drafts, and I have had a lot of analysts ran to bat
The building blocks and foundations of an opening draft to some teams and how abysmal it is. That's right
I think a Marge of Warlock isn't too abysmal either. No, it's not
Warlock is not typically grating and shattered even because so much of your damage is around this fatal bonds
It's around these big teamfights and SD has the cleanse so you can purge that fatal bonds off anybody
And it's also a hero that sort of stays in the back is far away from the fight
So it's spread out you're not getting this big clump where you're getting a lot of heroes in that fatal bonds
And on top of that you can play for stacks and economy
So warlock is a really dominant laner a hero that just beating straight up is extremely difficult and SD
With now willow as well
It's already a great cleanse game and that hero to pick before both of these heroes, but pretty good against both of them
So do you still take damage from fatal bonds when you get sent to the shadow realm? You do not
You cannot take damage and destruction.
I'm glad you knew what I meant.
Yeah.
You could have meant Willis W.
Exactly.
But that wouldn't really make any sense because they're on the same team.
Context clues, folks.
You're really good at this.
Context clues.
No, I think Spirit Heroes, they're, I think, you know, we showed the draft from
their last game.
They had no teamfight, bad scaling.
This game, the complete opposite.
A buttload of teamfight.
Every hero they're picking just has a mass of teamfight and they have very good scaling.
So I think much more in their wheelhouse.
Now that they had the 18 pick for Yatoro,
given that hyper carry best matchup in the game.
They've got a strong lane with Warlock.
It's very new spirit.
Before we talk about this,
I am a little bit surprised
that there's so much confidence in the Razer.
It's in the pool and I feel like the hero itself
wasn't necessarily the ultimate I'm doing.
But either way, I just bring that up
is because it's been bent many, many times
across these best of ones.
but a faceless void has been picked up.
People loving it in the support role, Quinn.
Yeah, this hero is really weird.
His ult kind of got put in the trash
because it doesn't leash anymore.
Whenever the hero was originally being tried as four,
maybe back a year or two ago,
it was when time zone leashed you.
Now it doesn't.
And so the hero is much more about going in and out
with the jumps and with the dilation.
Dilation is just an absurdly broken spell.
And I think the hero is almost being picked exclusively
because dilation is just so stupid.
And all three of these heroes do not like playing ants.
They're very rounds of spells type heroes.
Some heroes just sort of go one and done.
They cast all their spells, whereas you look at Mars,
or Willow, these heroes in particular,
you want to get multiple brambles, Spears, Slams off,
and dilation impacts that a lot.
And on top of that, Mars arena is pretty bad
against Void, you can kind of just jump out,
whereas most supports, if they ever get arena,
they just insta die and Void does not.
So there's merits to it,
But it is hips three and weird and I think the actual integrity of it as a hero is up for debate
That's what I was thinking too. So I went back three games. It's one two out of
Those three which I would say I mean three's not a large number. So it's either you know
One of the two ways it was either gonna be majority or not for it there, but I don't know how much of it relies on
you know, you're playing
like, you're playing like,
you're playing like, you're
playing like, you're playing
like, you're playing on
everything else doing well in
the draft and you kind of just
get to be that person that
output spells. Yeah, he's
definitely not. Like he's not
going to be the core of your
draft, but he's kind of some
add on guy you throw in
whenever you feel like you've
got other stuff and your
four place like yo, it's a
really good void game. We
play void. You're like fine.
And you pick the void. Um I
think it's a hero that the
rest of the team generally
doesn't like that much. And
So we'll see if Tins can make himself known.
He was one of the ones of those three games who has played it so far and they won that
game.
I think it was against Yandex.
So clearly competent on the hero and able to make it work.
See if he's able to do that here.
As this Morphling is going to have a super free game.
Void plus pretty much anything is not going to pressure Morphling plus a Warlock with
the Doom bands.
The hardest Morphling counter in the game.
So this Morph is off to the races.
It is a pretty solid morphling game and Yatoro Morph is up there with the best of them, if
not the best.
All the final phase bans being mid lane is outside of that doom, I mean that's that
hard counter that you just have to get rid of as you talked about that, but yeah, Puck,
Ember and Storm Spirit are going to be those three mid laners taken out.
Both teams really going to be looking for a mid laner.
Actually, Primal doesn't have to be off lane.
Yeah, it could definitely be mid and they pick something else.
Yeah.
If you get cheeky like with an enigma or something, but it is against Warlock,
so you've already got that Black Hole cancel, but the only game is if you're flying more for the early game,
but Eidolon's against more flying that lane is very bad for him.
So they could look for something like that.
For Spirit, I like OG's Bands a lot.
Ember, Storm, Morrell, pretty small hero pool generally, and he's much like a lot of spirit player.
So starting with a lot, I mean literally and figuratively.
So banning these two heroes I think is a great path.
I think they both would have been good options for them.
And I'm curious to see what Spirit goes for
because I think Merle will probably look best on the Coddle.
Womp is another, it's just sort of classic of him
but it is very bad against Void.
Very, very bad against Void.
Dialation is like, it ends this hero
and you cannot kill Void.
He doesn't care about the dagger spam
because you can just jump away in these fights.
So it's not a hero to interact with him particularly well.
Not to mention Shatterty,
you've got the demonic cleanse. TA is also pretty good against queen generally. So it's a lot of it is
shutting down this primal right. They have two lanes that are very happy against the primal. So
OG has to pick their poison. Where do they want to send the sacrificial lamb and what hero do they
want to prioritize here as having a better game? They have plenty of time to think about it.
I mean, she kind of just ran through that they're dropped into exactly what they want to do
pride to this and if you were in this position and it's your cult you played the primal up against
the queen of pain would you go I'm sorry but this off-lane it needs to to second and I need to be
able to pick something that really is 100% going to win the queen of pain. Well I'm horrible at
primal peace so I probably say my off-lane should play it. Well I was trying to factor that out
of it but oh my god you all played. Oh it's me! Oh my god. It literally got them back to
primal pick me void spirit Quinn Callahan verbatim in 2026. I mean okay void spirit versus
First, Quap is a really skill-based match-up because it becomes the stupid dagger dodging
minigame.
Because the animation on disseminate is pretty long, so what ends up being is Quap is standing
there pump-faking dagger the whole lane, and you're pump-faking disseminate the whole
lane.
And if you don't dodge them, then you get owned, but if you do dodge them, then you're
pretty good against Quap.
As you know, dodging daggers is such a large part, I can't speak today, such
a large part of Queen of Pants toolkit.
They can run into damage problems.
We've got Void Spirit, Phasus Void, and Primal Beast.
These heroes can be kited, and magic resistance and survivability are very good against these
heroes.
So, if OG falls behind a little bit, they can most certainly run into damage problems.
I think the ultimate question that we really need to be asking is, Natsumi TA or Yatora
Morph?
I think if we're going off this turn and I'm putting my money on Natsumi TA, I think
this guy has been cooking.
It's a very good TA game.
will not die in this game unless he messes up in some horrible way like it's it's very free so only way I
He really he will only die if his team is getting ransacked that kill have zero
That's at whatever 30 minutes if they lose a fight maybe he dies there
But I think that's it's a great TA game
He is the ability to cook and I think there's a lot that comes down to the skill of these lanes
And if spirit if they've woken up today because they've been asleep for the last two days
I have been a little bit of sleep at the wheel. That's predominantly being through the draft
We like what they've gotten for themselves in this best of one, so all that comes down to now is
execution. Yutaro on that morph, having somewhat of a free game. No real counters on the side of
OG, but we've seen what Natsumi's TA has been able to do before, so let's get on into it.
OG up against Spirit.
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, it's time to get in the action here between teams, Burt and OG.
Very much looking forward to this one right. We get some fun picks, of course, OG bringing in this void that we did at play through the other day.
We didn't get to catch the game first-hand ourselves being used.
It's going to be good fun to see what Tim's is doing on this place before in this position.
And then on Spirit side of things, you're saying to me through the draft, you know, you've got your Toro Morph overall, it looks like a pretty good Morph game.
And I guess on the same side for OG, they've got National Team on a TA, it looks like a pretty good TA game.
So it's one of those games where these carries, they're going to go hard.
Yeah, I was thinking, I'm looking at my man, it's a really good Morph game.
I'm looking more at the TA, I'm like, man, it's also still a really good TA game.
So like Quinn said, based off of the history, at least from this tournament, and maybe across all of history, you could say the Morph thing, right?
Toros looks incredible because you get to morph it to TA.
You have his limited stuns, blah, blah, blah, blah.
From what we've seen this tournament at least,
this TA is an insane hero.
I actually was looking at the stats.
This guy has 46 KDA.
46, like, it's like, yet to die.
Add 2-9.
Not to me a fair contribution to that, right?
We have one of his games, which was like 27-1.
Got a crazy TA game.
Yeah, so I mean, it was 27-1, I believe.
It wasn't, then the next game was a 9-0 by Got the Jew.
So the hero has died like once across two games,
there is something to kill so it's definitely absurd and the thing about TA is too it's just that
it's just a more like oppressive hero more if he needs his timings of items and those sometimes
can get stalled and just never happen right you want your bkb usually it's like Vlad's
manta butterfly or Vlad's manta bkb butterfly or something along this type of origin while TA
always gets her items it feels like it's almost impossible to shut this hero down
so yeah we're going to see how the lanes end up gunk so I do think that spirit overall
with the way that they set up their lanes this game they wanted to at least have a lot more
teamfight to some of the games they did have a bit lackluster teamfight this
one it's a ton of teamfight a ton of counter initiations
now I guess what one thing you're looking at the safe lane in spirit right it's
what it's you know pretty much the dream safe lane in the sense that you're
throwing his morph is backed up by a warlock that's gonna be constantly able
to keep him safe keep him healed up but it is a lane that I imagine it's not
necessarily gonna shut down Niko right which is one of the methods we did
see teams use against OG to to defeat them right they were completely
crush Niko in the early game, but this time around while Spirit can have a super nice safe
lane for them all, they're not really going to shut down Niko are they?
Oh absolutely not, every time you pick Warlock, you're pretty much accepting we're going to
trade farm, right?
If you can either pull versus it, you can usually just lane versus it as well too,
so famous.
Go and toe to toe with Panto.
Not really winning the trade because Shadow Ward, and he just takes the continuous
damage and the time won't really move as any, but at least trying to contest
So now I'm gonna head and contest the pull in between the waves.
Amidt, I don't know, I'm not sure how this matchup is gonna go, like Quinn was saying, it's a pretty skill-based matchup.
And both players aren't having the best time over, I would say.
They're both struggling a bit in terms of like, blaming, but they're in terms of mid-game too, so...
I will see.
Oh, I would keep Yopas should be able to come out on top.
Like, the animation is a little bit nicer on the void spirit, as Quinn was saying, obviously,
You do have the potential to down the line to go for the disseminate if necessary at the moment Marius has got the one point in daggers
So maybe it'll depend on sort of how many dagger points he goes
You know, yeah, how much your patch wants to focus on you know having to disseminate ready to dodge the daggers
The other thing is um
Wow, that's a second career by the way Tim's has taken out your torus twice
So that's actually impressive that he's been able to do that. Um, the other thing is to is your posh
This is an sea classic if you ever watched sea dota
There was I think like thousands of these void spirit clock games and all these qualifiers
So these guys are very well-versed in the matchup insanely well-versed
Yeah, so far
So good here from your passion having that a little bit of a slight lead in the matchup
And my only thing is it's very I just I might across the board spirits
I mean like more play is free Mars overall bottom it should be pretty free to get this farm to and I don't know
Like not too many scams should not get a kill down here. Let's just make a mistake that comes up from spirit
And then made as you said kind of a trip so if I two lanes should be pretty successful for spirit
It's just we're going to see how that mid one is going
Tim's got a god of a career there
Three careers already in these three minutes Tim's being an absolute nightmare the courier service on the top lane
It was trying to get the connect, but he can't and that's a second time
I've seen he tries to get the connect so there's there's a couple different things you can do
when people do pull like this.
One other thing is you can actually catch,
you see where the morphling is,
you can catch that wave and drag it.
You have to play pretty aggressively as the support
or the carry, but you walk in toward the tower,
grab the wave and you catch it in the river
and you play this weird laning phase in the river.
Panto misses it.
They lose three couriers, it's a perfect goal.
Yeah, and talk to General about this face,
this void support.
Is this something we're seeing any of the teams do
or is this just an OG thing with Tims right now?
Is that happening in pubs? How much experience are we seeing with seeing a mural?
Should be fine. Another!
I suffer. These curries are suffering on Sparrow.
They look like five curriers here in the first few minutes.
Yeah, Oji just destroyed the curriers.
That's almost a thousand golden curriers, isn't it?
That's pretty crazy. Bottom.
That's a nice kill for Sparrow to find.
Slow start on the kills in four and a half minutes in.
I mean, so the first one comes in, just the curriers that was dying.
They might be losing their Karius spirit.
They will make sure that they're the ones to get the first blood that matters.
Look at bottom lane dude. Oh, and Collapse is dominating. 26-8 at 13 too. He is crazy focused.
It's the Collapse Mars, you know, it's been some time.
Yeah, but it didn't have to be TA. You know, we saw how good this guy was on the TA the other day.
He turned it up today in this lane, indeed getting his CS doubled by Collapse on the Mars, you know.
That's a big... That is pretty crazy.
I play play
Father Charles to get him with the trample on to panto
So you're asking sorry I got distracted for a second, you know, it's morning
So I'm forgetting what you say about five seconds
But I'm gonna be a boy for it the place before support. Yeah, talk to me about this is that Tim's thing other teams doing this is happening in pubs
What's going on pubs a hundred percent?
It's like the ultimate hipster thing if you're like a mid laner and someone takes your meter your carry
You pick the four position void and you go grief the game of it
But people are like all right whatever we just gonna accept this faces for four positions in the game
It's very specific which games they can be incredibly good
But there's a lot of games that it's just it's just useful because dilation like what I'm saying is a broken ability
Just conceptually what it can do. I'm like scam
He's going down another kill to be found here
Collapses getting involved in
It honestly, I feel it this this sort of early to make games is really gonna be stepping into
Looking at both for the off-lanes right now collapse is having a good time on the other side of the map
Niko's also having a good time and we know how much Niko can do when he doesn't get shut down in the early game
Which of course is not been the case even if not shut down this problem is the tool
Now both of these offlaners have the potential to really set the tempo for each of their teams
Absolutely, I would just say that for a collapse like it's a bit difficult sometimes when you're playing like shadow demon to save people inside
But the Mars arena when he's playing with bloodsport same thing with void to contribute while on the other side
I feel like they have a lot of answers for primal bees. It was his first pick
They have the warlock, you know, they're gonna have the golem to stop the grab even through BKB in most situations
Spear fear. I think they did counter pick this primal pretty hard in terms of counter initiation while the Mars it looks a bit freer
Zoro also can't go for these type of plays can't get the kill though. Let's try
The blame leg
He probably just missed his first CS, you know, because at the moment 43 last hits, I don't think he's barely missed a single one.
So I don't blame him.
If he collapses, when he's in the zone, he misses a CS, it's not collapse as well. It's the lag.
I was meeting you for a while, because I thought maybe he was trying to go for a kill, maybe he didn't like go register as fast.
But either way, Niko, great sidesteps. He's hit six, pulverize is online.
Looks like he's gonna be a one-for-one wisdom exchange. Timbs will be very happy about that.
He's only level two right now on that void. It collapses six.
So both these offlaners do have that great level. We just do, of course, see that farm difference.
Then I'm really looking forward to, you know, they call me Bond, Fatal Bond in this game,
because I'm looking at a lot of AoE. If he gets a big connection in this game with Sonic Wave,
like waves that could be pretty tremendous if they can get these angles from endo.
It's a fair bit out of that.
No touch.
I'm getting a little bit aggressive, but he wants another Karya.
Now they see these Karyas, they go straight for him.
What is going on? I think that's why they haven't talked to me.
Oh, I get the setup! They get the catch. Niko does it very nicely there from across the tree line.
Catches Yotaro completely by surprise. He was not ready for that one bit.
Patience. He was literally waiting there for, I don't know how long, how many seconds, and he did get pretty much...
He actually got both neutral items that you dream for as a Primal Beast.
If you're looking to be aggressive, he got Cobalt Cup with Quicken.
So that movement speed, it's pretty insane how much he gives you with Trampol.
We'll be doing an insane amount of damage and now he's look at that net worth on you go
We have said you mentioned it even like a lot of teams approach shutting down Nico this guy
he's a Venice
Sprint want to go aggressive teepees will be coming in collapse going straight for scam disruptions gonna buy some safety here
They're for scam and still gonna get taken down as the disruption comes to an end now can teams for it get out of there?
Yeah, but jumps in with the step over the wall through they'll take both support in return for just losing the one of their own there
I told you we'll take that all day. That's an arena. It's just a shadow demon that dies and they get great trade kills.
I have to keep watching top too. Yatoro has to be quicker to get that shift off versus this Primal Beast.
Niko is just waiting in the tree lines for an opportunity.
I'm gonna bring him back up to maybe try and make a play, but I don't know if they can make a kill him.
It's pretty beefy.
I mean Rude doesn't have the horn in the stun.
I miss the brambles, Nico, you'll just be able to stomp away.
Willow can be pretty good versus Primal especially nowadays.
We mentioned the other day how the, you know, the 15 talent got moved,
but yeah, we'll have to see if Ruzi able to land these spells because that one's pretty big width.
Now we're seeing, I mean, Murale now struggling quite a bit.
Look at that net worth difference just from the rotation.
Yeah.
Autumn gets a double kill, and now the QWAP in her awkward spot.
And I just feel with QWAP, this can happen with this hero, you know,
If you do start a full behind early, it can be very hard to get back into the game.
Especially with space avoid early.
Yep, you're gonna have a lot of issues.
Panto, he's gonna be dead. Yopash picks up the kill.
And it's just, you know, you can sort of see going forward,
how much Yopash is gonna be able to achieve moving up and down the map.
Whereas on the side of Spirit from Morale,
it's just gonna be so much more difficult to match the impact of the Void Spirit at this stage now you're this far behind.
And the Void Spirit, if he does have a good time right, he's going to be very tanky in this game too.
So in terms of going in and out in the early game, some limited lockdown.
If he gets speared or re-nutful combo'd with like a Golem or Willow spells, yeah sure.
But they might have to commit quite a lot and he could just get saved.
So this is a big problem I would say.
Yopas having the Spirit Fessel, their versus Morphling, he can set tempo very fast.
Yeah, Pash. Rarely doesn't have much that he's fearful of right now.
Level 9. This tower is a good start. Taking a beating.
Looks like Barrel is just more content with hitting jungle creeps than I'd rather than even like showing up to mid, stalling the wave and what's to give his support levels.
Which I don't blame him, because Rue was only level 4 and he is now 6.
But OG's getting a ton out of his map. 2k lead, a lot of the chert of his couriers, but the presence they're having.
Even Niko just still occupying top lane. He almost has his blink on this run.
I should get the grab on the roof.
He's thinking about going back in to finish up the job. It collapses here.
He'll step back. Doesn't want to go in. He doesn't even need to.
Scams able to pop through anyway with the damage coming in from the Shadow Demon.
You see, your boss got stuck in that tree. Did you see that?
They're pinging him, they're like, wait a minute, he's stuck.
But he gets himself out.
Skam all the meantime, by the way, too, they've just been stacking, they're crazy.
So OG, in terms of aggression, amazing.
He's got the skill.
Oh, he's got the stack as well.
And look at their juice.
Oh, find out next time.
He's got it.
He hit it at the right time.
It's not a gigantic ancient stack, so it should make it.
I will look the...
Oh yeah, there we go.
So who's getting these? The TA or the Primal?
Oh yeah, give it to TA. Primal's got those blinks.
Primal's got those blinks.
If he's struggling, you give it to him. He's not though.
There goes Niko. Ready for the blinks reveal.
They'll go straight for it.
Get the jump on the wall up. Primal turned on the charge.
There they go. Oh!
Another Korya!
Timsy just too much of Taurus' Korya again!
And your Toro.
My goodness!
I would hate to be a Korya on Spirit right now.
So they can catch Yatoro
Drags back, is able to turn into the void and time walk away himself
The Lips will wash out Pash, but he's saying Yup Pash is beefy
He's just going to go for the TP out, but the spear is there, collapsed
This will stop the TP, Yup Pash is out of options
Nowhere else to run, nowhere else to jump, everything on cooldown
They'll finally be able to take that void spirit down
Saving private Yatoro, everyone TP, she's like, huh?
Three people immediately rally to the top lane to protect the void
we'll be able to survive a big kill slowing down yelposh's momentum
honesty is pretty big in this game getting morale online as well too he is
going that build me and you were talking about that we like to at least see from
the queen of pains the kaiosan's trend is what it looking it's looking like a
bit of a quiet start though for him 1-0 not looking to rotate with sonic waves
and yeah not to me as we said it's very hard to not let a ta get her items
So this is pretty much the death. So gonna be done. Yes, crazy
That's what's over there more. Yeah, and we know when that's in it does
We've seen it. Yeah on his TA
And we should mention too, right? This could be a game where he can go blink shard and be very aggressive
It's a phenomenal chart papers
Trot the set up a few of the ULs
Now drop the golem. It's just enough. Yeah, God forbid comes in they get the kill, but at the same time Nico
He's able to kill off Yotaro and that was completely solo.
I mean that's a concern if Yotaro dying like that was on the other side.
You know, look at Natsumi, he's getting all these ancient stacks fed to him.
There's going to be quite the difference in farming these two.
We've seen it already about nearly 2k difference between Natsumi and Yotaro.
Yotaro, he can't afford to get caught like that.
Which which team was it the other day the yesterday that we were casting that just come it was a heroic, right?
Yeah, it's heralds a bit of person. Okay, I would use draft also was pretty unplayable that game
But that was the noggin's area shutting down Niko. It definitely seems big like this guy does so much even with so little
This is here. He has a decent amount this game
But my goodness that top first play that he got in the morph is massive and now he's snow-balling
They're doing it again. Yep. He's looking for another they got the scan connection. They're in the area and
There's no way to stop it
It's all right. I mean, this is a bit close to tier 2, yeah, me too, TPs, they can't go for that kill.
Tora will be fine this time.
Same county, they seem to be looking for Natsumi, because they know Natsumi's on his own top.
Can they get their hands on him?
He's already answered the trees, goes away with the TP, they will not catch him either.
Thousand up, perhaps opportunity, but yeah, heads up play, he was able to distance himself, they have to envision around the area top.
Play with TA is always just nice, right?
You're playing with the ward vision,
but then there's always these traps
that give you a lot of information.
And they could just go Roche.
They should, because that's always up.
It's gotta be a consideration for OG,
depends how scared they are of a team fight coming at them.
The golem's still on cooldown anyway, for Sprayer.
And Sprayer, if they could take Collapse out,
that's gonna heavily limit the chance
that T-Sprayer interrupts to getting objectives
that OG wanna look for.
So they'll look to chase Collapse,
Spear pushback goes for the TP. He is out.
Buying time.
Spirit strapped is honestly going to be a lot of fun.
I feel like we've said this so many times that every tutorial plays Morphling, right?
Buy time. Wait till he gets these two items and hope he can do his tutorial thing.
It's usually that man at the butterfly.
Niko still got his sight set from again.
Constantly sort of knows the area at the map that your tutorial is going to be wanting to play in.
and this time he's gonna bolt into a couple of them.
And they will start chasing straight back towards Niko.
You know, before here is a spirit heading down here,
they wanna try and push for the fight around OG's tier one.
See if OG's turned up for the defense.
Collapse, maybe your setup's dead.
You have to momentarily hold him back
here with the disruption.
Give Niko the chance to charge away.
If the arena is up, Niko will try and hold his ground
with the ult, grabbing, collapsing position.
With the gorems down, the spear connects,
Niko, he's dead.
If he can get anything in return,
Oh gee, Natsumi trying to push forward,
but he gets caught by the fear,
and Soobin coming in there to control Natsumi.
And now with the jump forward,
looking over towards Tins, this fight, it's Spirits.
And they get the double kill from Borel,
very nicely done.
Rue coming in clutch there with a huge fit
to ensure that Natsumi couldn't get anything done
in that fight.
Collapse coming in really quick.
Interstate thrashing.
They saw Niko, they poked him,
they tried to stop that blink there.
And I think they do the fatal bonds as well
for a second that they clip on him,
And then, yeah, collapse.
Great play.
Great connection.
The Golem?
He's a little late, but ends up working out anyway, since Natsumi did walk right into it.
He did go for the blink.
The cop back up.
That Morphling now in a happy spot.
Still behind the TA, but now they've slowed down the TA, and that Morph is going to be
pretty much having the Mantid done.
So, at least does have an initial protection tool versus the limited stuns.
Oh, no, Pashback in action.
He'll take that, finds Pantai out alone.
Oh, in the rail, okay. So a little bit of a pivot, just the Kaia.
No Kaia dodge, Kaia and the Nagas.
He does, he did get quite a bit in that last fight, right?
Does have these three kills now, so maybe because he got boosted so far toward it.
Did accelerate it.
Yeah, I like it. I like it. Axe is always crazy good, especially when you have the fatal bombs, right?
If you get the fatal bombs and the mass daggers just going out, it could get pretty nasty.
Yeah, as long as they can, I mean they can cause quite a bit of chaos inside of their fights
and chaos is exactly what you want when you're a morphing, right?
If they can just make mess happen around you, you're gonna be able to clean fights up.
Natsumi, finds an half damage.
I can just look at this roach with great ults are about to be ready though.
No golem though.
Oh geez.
I'm gonna be a little careful about this.
It's not to be so you say with the fact that the ults would be there for Spirit, but as it's seen Spirit
they're not making any quick moves over towards the row, Shampit, so Natsumi
shouldn't have too many difficulties finishing this one off.
I think they're content with farming on three cores, you know it's a huge acceptable fact that you're going to lose on the road and you get that with it.
I'm going to look for Tib. They get him in the combo, Timbs is gone, Niko in return, they get to grab on towards Morale, they lose the quad for that one.
Not a trade there, the Spirit is gonna be too happy with you, you're committing to
kill the support face this void, but losing them in.
After he was getting some momentum, that hurts, hurts quite a lot. Although he gets
the kill, that agonim is now going to be delayed a little bit more.
Collapsed going pipe, so it looks like he wants to reduce the damage rather than
being that a blink initiator. I guess he just wants to, he's their team of
counter initiation for the most part in Spirit, so looking to kind of continue
that team. DKB is done for the primal. Of course, this is not a BKB end-all. As we said,
most games with BKB primal, you BKB grab a target, you're good. You're playing with
Warlock, so now Panto has his job cut out from where he has to just chaotic offering that
grab if it's on the morphole in particular.
That's what we're trying for with the chase down to Toro, but tricky one for him to
catch.
He's turning himself as the TA.
He's got backup coming, it's Orianna. Collapses ready at the side with the arena.
Bop ult up in 20.
It's gonna be a massive fight.
He buys for those fatal bombs.
Yeah, OG smoke up. They know that the spirit's gonna be around here.
Trying to sort of surround OG.
That's the morph wearing off.
And they're gonna open up onto Collapsed.
They'll try and take down the Mars first.
They can burst in the golem, we'll come up for Panto, but collapse is already gone.
Niko, now chasing down the back lines with a BKB, trampling on top of Panto,
kills off the warlock, Yelp, Pancheba to jump in, take down Rue.
As OG, they get three of them, maybe see if they can even get something more.
Meryl's got the blink back up, so he'll get away, but OG lose nothing,
and they take down three of them despite a spirit coming in and dropping the golem.
It didn't matter, spirit couldn't get the full combo off.
Great jump for Niko really, just focusing, collab, locking down this Mars,
making sure there's no arena to play with I feel like I have to see that replay
I thought he was just golem instantly right as soon as you see that final BKB grab you golem
well that's true because he added the start the fight right if he please collapse collapse gets
the spells on like that's that's the whole kind of it sucks because it's a BKB primal right
but like where's Panto he hesitated yeah he could have got on the first of him unfortunately
Yeah indeed that the pulses meant that that kind of indecision on the first attempt with the cast animation meant that he couldn't actually get off the subsequent ones
So I mean just a big deal. They now just got massive massive fight on og really where perhaps spirit
Maybe gets at least like a traitor killer two out of that. Maybe they still lose the fight
But holding the golem there not 90 seconds. Oh gee gets five six K gold on top of having an ages
That's a big problem
He can pull down one second and back up.
He can have the BKB CP.
Off he goes.
Literally just came up.
7K lead now for OG.
These fights can't go this scrappy for spirit.
Yeah, they got to get their act together, spell casting in particular.
Of course the fights aren't super easy to approach by any means, but yeah, you need to get these spells off.
We're only jumping from the high ground,
going past you to kill him off as well.
Collapse and trouble surrounded.
As the yield comes to an end,
OG here in the full fight-man line
of just diving the tier three, killing off collapse.
Spirit, they might have made a few too many mistakes.
You can't afford to make mistakes against OG.
They will make you suffer.
They really will.
And on top of all this, you see, they're like,
oh, we got not two of me under the tier two,
but Scam is massive.
Scam just got some monoclines.
It's a, you know, we didn't really mention it earlier, but it's a godly demonic cleanse game versus the double supports.
And then he's got grieves, so extra healing, and then the whole team connects, so...
Uh-oh, Spirit.
Now it really truly is.
Okay, Yatoro.
It's all on you, baby.
It really is. I mean, with their approach, right, I think...
You know, that sort of straight-up strategy of, hey,
let's focus more on keeping our carry safe in the safe lane,
rather than shutting down the off-lane.
I don't know if that's the way to go against OG.
I fill up from obviously yesterday. You have to target Nico if you don't shut Nico down in the early game
He'll he'll destroy you this primal beast the plays he's made the pick-off that he's had the jumps that he's executed
You know, you can't let this man get to the point where he's able to play with these items
You have to study go down
Especially on you have to say so if he's gonna be leaning with the four faces void
Which is like you're gonna lose the lane you can't let him know this kind of stuff
So very impressive from the side of Oji inspiratly to 10 K lead
starting to get pretty limited movement that they could do and the map the
co-op is gonna be overtaken by the shadow demon in a second map is shrinking
very quickly and the items you know they're starting to get these other
counters as well to you know we mentioned the vessel from very early on
that's Sumi I don't know if he actually did buy the shard he skipped it was pretty
pretty cool it's a very good shard game but doesn't want to buy it and then
the Shiva's for the primals and I come out soon so not doing BKB
refresh your rush, Shiva's is so good versus Morphling and the rest so.
And Yopaz is doing the, I love this build.
I've been seeing this one more and more throughout the high pubs.
You go for this like fun one shot, that's the build.
Alright, butterfly done.
So Yatoro, this is their timing.
Yeah I mean it has to be right.
If this fight doesn't go well for Spirit, it might be the beginning of the end.
Okay, I feel like Panto should consume this Black Remora too.
It's sitting at 7 stacks and he's level 11, so at least get the level 2 Golem online,
but he is holding it still.
I think we can catch up Pasha.
Pasha?
He has used the Mantis, sent the Illusions out to push the lane.
Even though that vulnerability is there, still they want to make sure he's out
with the Astral Steps, so they can't punish that.
Yeah, he reveals so he knows that they're very likely multi-hero smoked right there, so we'll be able to back himself away
And rejoining immediately scam a full solar press now as well to buff up is quite so many buffs
There's muscle high level as well level 14. Yeah
Don't always you see this I shadow I love shadow demon
I think I've said this to so many times like shadow demon does these saving heroes just feel still to be
incredibly strong in the right hand. So for a very very good execution on the
Shadow Demon with all the stacks too. Actually don't even know how many he has, but I want to say
hold the 10. Bottom, the wrap around.
They're gonna, they got eyes on the two supports of Teesperit. Because the U.F.A.
jumps straight away towards Panso. Panso, my hand is likely to go down, he's
not really gonna get to do anything here in this fight, I've just got to try and get the
the rest of them out of here spirit. It looks like the rest will successfully split.
Yatora's able to TP out, Collapse will get away, so Spirit at least able to cut their losses that.
Spirit can't, I mean, the two supports cannot be found, right? They have to have
pretty much multiple rounds of spellcasting, so I mean Warlock can't win multiple rounds,
but Willow needs to have multiple rounds for sure in this type of game.
How's your follow-up and extra choice? He's going Linkins, so he doesn't want to go for
that BKB since he's playing versus those BKB peers and disables.
They just died though. You could just get caught by something and die.
Nice to meet you. I mean honestly, Yutara has to play this pretty much flawless in order to bring this one back.
It feels like he does have good team fight cast around him.
Ooh!
Oh, you guys didn't see that, but I did.
That's a Niko. He was just hiding in the lane up top,
and Merell went to clear the wave and then went for the TP back,
back and then Nika just went for a full distance rock throw to just cancel
Morel's TP and make him back the walk of shame back to the base it was a
beautiful throw. Beautiful throw though. I was like what the hell are you talking about?
What is this? I'm not too many taking greedy, curated chives. No he went for it, yeah he just casually just yeeted the rock into the trees and stopped his TP.
Anyway, don't worry yet. Not easy to sneak this versus OG.
I literally thought you did that because TA took greedy advantage with your range of greedy
That's the minus 60 that day. That's oh that is kind of what I see wait hold up. Wait what?
Oh
Minus 60 damage and he's out honey wait why?
I don't know. I honestly that doesn't even sound good with Daedalus
So he's just like i'm gonna buy Daedalus crypt smaller. That's great. I get natsumi. He just realizes
he's that strong he has to nerf himself. He's like I feel bad you know dominating in this game.
I gotta get some nerf in so he takes the minus 60 damage. That's the spec there.
I got to get the jumping onto collapse so get the pipe off.
So you don't get the rules in that Sumi. That Sumi surrounded him.
The fear is while pushing him back. Morrell jumps forward with the solid wave. Now Sumi will
They got him.
He's gonna get taken now.
That's a 75 seconds.
See if they can go in for more here.
Spirit, they're definitely gonna want to try and find something else.
Yotaro jumps forward.
Nikon gonna pass.
They're gonna jump to try and burst him in response for the waveforms back up.
Yotaro gets out.
Spirit, they still want to chase.
Little on the matter.
I heard a great fight.
They punish.
This TA is over aggression.
And he did go Daedalus also not going for any BKB or any safer item.
He goes straight for the big item.
He jumps high ground.
Gets caught.
Yeah, Toro is doing a fantastic job of just turning into the void and he's it okay. I have time violation now good luck
Very nice fight we got I mean I want to keep this fight guys for it
They've got five versus three they're gonna catch on a was Nico defensive destruction will come out
Yeah, I'm trying to jump in to shake the fight up and it goes in trouble. Nico will fall. You're patch has to run
Claps in a blink in a second sitting over the blink spear if you once two doesn't look like they will though sell
We're going back towards the roast looks to finish that off
very impressive super nice fight rallied around collapse pretty much the perfect
place for them to fight to right like this clustered area where they can just
toss every spell it's just the TA because it really was just a TA up there
why does the TA have minus 60 damage I don't know
am I missing something?
he tried it was an amperable attempt to get away with it at least you know he's not gonna
fire us he's gonna try to chase forward another raster steps up so you know
We find collapse off the mark there with spares. We get the connection Tim's jumping in they will manage to kill up through
And I don't do me like this anymore
That's all looking towards Tim's get more hold back. It's all over the structure. I mean if they're really the spirit the sonic wave
That's who he's dead. They're doing it. They really are spirits. Got the ages and
She was going on this games just sort of gone into like the twilight zone
It's a whole sequence right I mean of a sequence just making the greedy serrated ship jump in
high ground and get off by everything.
And then he dies immediately.
I mean just Toro owning.
Dude it must have been a misclick right.
It has to have been.
Yeah.
But either I don't know like these last two fights he's just getting into the front
lines arena's up they're just throwing everything onto him and he does not have a
protective kill.
You see immediately he's killing a BKB he's like I can't I can't play like this
I can't play so aggressive.
I mean maybe that's the big break.
He's like, you know the last few fights now seem he's not really been able to right click anyone at all
So he's like well if I can't right click anyone, I don't need 60 damage give me the hundred BP up
Not really the strat you want to hear for your carry, but no it's happening
Spirit now yeah, you're Toro. He's in even footing. He's in his prime element
This is those games that you're Toro can truly start to bring back and control
He's back to back to back deaths like he was what four or five thousand ahead or more on
the TA.
He was crushed.
Now he's behind the morphling.
He's back to back deaths and the morph gets ages, gets cleaned up, gets farmed.
That's wild.
Yeah.
Yatsura really is sort of taking charge of the game now on his morphling.
It feels like OG's on the back foot now.
Honestly, like now it's been very...
They really are.
The way this sort of got shaken up in those last few fights, you know, they
get it a bit spooky for OG considering how much of a trajectory they were on
moments ago spirits taking that away from them. I think Natsumi needs the BKB
if he gets caught again pre BKB this game could could continue to snowball out
of control so I think the OG needs to paddle take a step back get that BKB and
then perhaps look for the fight afterwards but spirit is forcing a bit here
You see your Toro kind of alone just taking a t2
Dress of stuff and collapse now has a lotus as well, so they have extra ways to protect they've wasted remove dilations
They're getting what they need the tools they need to build a counter
spirit now that they're kind of chilling now they're gonna be like well let's see
what you want to do against us now we're after the farm during this ages and work
towards the next time for your Torah for a tier two here and there but I think
you know your Torah he's he's chilling right now he's like you know we don't
need to do anything crazy you know this games in my hands now and we
mentioned you know the SD being big earlier now look at the wall octaves
he's pretty much got the same type of inventory off these fights series 0 and
but he's getting the gold from the T-Fights.
Okay, those are the two big pickups,
so Shivas is done, and I believe that's the BKB for the TA,
so Oji has the timing to be able to look for another fight here, but...
Let's see how they execute it here.
Morale has totally caught back up too.
He had a little bit of a stint that slipped up there
than those last two fights. Perfect Sonic Waves.
I love that he just... Who cares about hitting everybody else?
Dropping them on the T-Fights.
Yeah, exactly.
No, no, very nice.
What's not easy to do is that we've seen so many quaps get behind
and not be able to recover. So strong stuff here from the route in those last few fights.
Little mark there with the spear.
Disruption from Scan. Coming in to buy safety for Nico. Still he's
already bringing in a lot of damage. Nico having to go. He could be trying to run, but
he'll just survive. Oh my goodness. He will live. Just like...
So I don't want to go for the high ground push here.
But you'll set up, it could be Reena.
You don't get the spear followed up one towards Jopaj.
And Link wears through.
He's going to protect himself from the physical damage.
Jopaj will be fine.
Miko, seeing if he can find a grab.
Didn't manage to quite get his hands on anyone this time.
Tried to poke at Pride while the Aegis was going down.
About 30 seconds of spirit.
bit satisfied with their aggression there.
And that BKB now for your Toro, it's gonna be, I mean he's square to God, he picked up two, two, two items pretty much since that Roshan, right?
He picked up the Lincoln's and he pretty much has that BKB since that full sequence of fight that Oji was having.
Oji, smoking to perhaps look for a surprise catch as the ages goes down. Five seconds.
Can you find that jump?
He was doing it perfectly early in the game, he's going to get the set up here on towards
collapse straight away, looking for the marker, trying to burst through, collapse is going to
be having to get the ults off, he's going to be fine for now, he's having to get the
blink away, he'll lose his career but his life is intact, collapse, pull it back off,
Zillow, Yopatch continues with the chase and Yopatch will manage to finish the job
off, chase is collapsed down and ensures he does not get away, the rest of the
team spirit will have to get the team for the out, the supports won't succeed,
Ruin Panto falling by the side it collapsed and that was the punchback that OG needed
Again, you know looking at Nico back on track with getting in getting these sort of setups
It wasn't a clean kill at the start for collapse
But they have great chase across in the forms of Joe patch to make sure those sort of kills don't slip away from them
It's just great identification of timing right ages is expiring you're punishing and you're getting on things
It's pretty much a five man kind of like a five man pulverizer in a way
That's right there from Niko where the pulverize is already on top of the warlock again
So you can't actually did get too many stunned again before the golem could drop
So that was pretty much picture perfect the way that all the OZ you could approach
He did not expect them to just come back down from the high ground and go for the attempt on him
They've got the burst right now to kill this primal. I
Love when you see plays like that
It's when the team has two or three dead and you're looking to like split off and then you get caught, right?
Maybe just being a bit over aggressive on the side of OG9.
Here we go.
The OG fans can sigh relief, breathe a sigh of relief there, the minus 60 attack damage
is going to be gone.
There we go.
There we go.
For the Alarm.
Imagine that go from minus 60 damage to Alarm.
That's going to feel amazing for Natsun.
The shackles are off.
He's ready to go now.
He's back on track.
Losing Shib is a bit kind of crappy.
That's one thing, but this item is also very good in a lot of situations.
You actually use it. I feel like players never actually use it
But if you do use it versus more playing especially to the crossbow could be fantastic
They're trying to set up something top collapse
He kind of reads it it looks like he's joining his team
They I think they see him teeping over I didn't see that word actually saw the war the teepee because he was
The one around the ancients. I think he teepied on the southern side. So I don't know if it actually clipped the vision
It's gonna be close
So they might not be aware that spirit and they should be aware that they're all together actually, so
This game you've been footing
High levels on the support you see level 20 now for the shadow demon. I there's a big talent the 15% 7 8
It doesn't get dispelled
Pretty absurd amount of damage. It's gonna be spreading out
Spirit
All flank
Tomorrow also by the way we didn't talk about his neutral item which we really showed up because he dormant choreoed the tier 4
Oh, that's always so how much longer does this last?
I actually don't even know how much idle a screw-off usually lasts but either way now it lasts six and a half seconds because it's unleashed so 30% of
Sorry, it's five seconds usually, right? He's five. Yeah. Yeah, five six and a half. Yeah
Honestly, it's pretty strong and he did get the crude one too. So I mean this is definitely things to be watching for the evasion slow resistance
Etc. Definitely could be a factor versus the TA
Also having one on the Mars as we see there
This is, I mean this is a really good item. If you actually remember to use it, actually most people would have to use it though.
OG, I guess the question is, you know, OG back in position to try making smoke plays, you know, who's waiting for who now at this stage of the game to make the first step.
That's difficult to really say because of the counter initiation factor from spirit if oji can get information a backline
Then they can go for a fight
But it's just hard because this warlock always has the potential to get the stop same thing for the for the willow and playing into
Morphin with Lincoln's is not just easier right just jump the target by any means
That is hard to say because oji if they do want to initiate for sure, but it's just so much counter to fear
How close to Scotty? I mean, Yataro is very close to having this...
I mean, he's gotta be effectively six-slotted.
The TA also does have the Swift Blink.
But the Scotty versus that...
versus that TA can be super potent.
Especially on a hero with more blink.
They're trying to get the setup there around the roast, but he's about to move.
Not?
What the heck is this? Pretty low. He wants to go for the arena set up on a wall, now Sumi forces the BKB out from the TA.
The BKB gone, Yatoro. Trying to jump in at the side of the fight, pushing out of the back, Morale.
With the blink looking for Yopage, but Astra steps are still at the ready. There's an amplified damage rune outside the roast, and obviously they know, now Sumi is BKB's own cooldown.
They don't offer no BKB, but also no arena on collapse. It's true. Now they look to approach this.
the amp damage they definitely would say they want to be able to rally around
Yatoro but they can't get this build. Sure. But he could just take down those
rush pretty quickly right with the amp down and off. It's game on the front line.
So they're gonna go for the fight first. They could be able to take it up for the man set.
Jump out. That's Murals, BKB coming out pretty early. See over to the side.
They'll try for the grab here but the spear comes straight off of Niko. Niko's just
get it destroyed by Yatora. That's Niko Gorge.
Skenn will be able to glimmer and run away.
So it's time to deal with the illusions for now.
But the Lincoln's, but he's out with the wave form.
Yatora's out.
It's the golem drive by Fanto.
He jumped forward from Sims.
Back out.
Very smart.
Super good disengaged.
As soon as the buyback comes out,
they're all five going for a high ground positioning here.
And they're going to pause.
That's well off of it.
Great catch.
Again, I don't think that he got the BKB off, right?
Niko got chain stunned.
Yeah, I did. BKB is still good to go here.
And I will say, Scam has to be more careful with positioning.
He actually used disruption aggressively on the morphling,
so it doesn't have it for the potential save.
So, you have to keep eyes on that.
No, I think that was the thing, right?
Niko, he went for the pulverize without BKBing
and just got interrupted straight away.
True, true, good eye.
Scam.
OG.
Alright.
He wants everything back up soon.
Ooh, Rude trying to get some info here, but he's going to get jumped!
Rude will get taken out!
He got lots of BKB!
He tries to get in on this.
Colaps is going to start turning on the wards.
He will get clipped by the silencer.
Perhaps falling pretty badly here for the damage from that.
Soon enough, he'll be able to help take Colaps down.
No pike now jumps over to Wazpanto.
And he can be good for more.
Even PiBax come out from Rude.
Colaps does have his PiBax equipped as ready available as well.
available as well and that's the BKB from Natsumi. So now that the BKB is huge from
Natsumi, he collapsed. He wants to try and keep the spike going. Yatora makes the jump
by the wall. Natsumi, Yatora, he's just bashing Natsumi to bits. He's in on top of him again.
That's Natsumi dead. Yatora gets the jump done, collapsed. He's got the Irene of control
on Suneiko. Sends up Yatora to take Yiko down as well. See if he can get anything
more. Marell is trying to chase down Tim's. Another time walk away. Yatora and Marell
going to be hot on the chase. They get the jump forward into the spear, push back, triple kill
for Yatoro. I mean it was always going to be a risky fight around this point right, especially when
Rue and Collaps have these buybacks to come into play and Collaps more than ready to come in with
that buyback play to set up the fight and show that Yatoro can take it and take the Roshan.
And they have to put a lot of focus. The damage split is actually fairly even. I think both
Both teams did exactly like 15,000, but they have to put so much focus on the killing collapse.
They use a lot of spells on them, and the mark is just re-raining.
Yatoro is literally doing whatever the hell he damn pleases.
He just stuck on the Tumi.
You said it, right?
Turned into him bashed him four times, just chased him into the river.
So these fights, you're seeing, oh gee, it's difficult for them to approach them.
Now at this point, this morphing has completely hit the stride after these last three,
four fights, of course.
I also bought the shard up before the fight if I'm not mistaken too, so just in case
of things.
They can go for the base push here, see what they get out of OG.
So OG don't want to use the buybacks.
They don't have the luxury buyback, of course, on Niko.
So long.
They're still there for 40 seconds.
And Natsumi, with 20 seconds to go,
he's not going to want to use his buyback either.
So damage to be done into the base of OG.
Utoro.
Look at him go.
There's Morphling.
3-3 gop. And that will be the racks as well. The Spirit's still much more to play for here
with 4 minutes on the Aegis. They've got so much in the bank to build the
Take this next fight too, refresh your shard and everything.
Oh, gee.
Perhaps last few moments for them.
Next fight could be a pretty deathly one.
Three eyes on morale, how much damage
you could potentially do.
He did take the blink cooldown, which I was slightly
disappointed with, but refresh your shard, plus double
sonic wave with fatal bonds.
Could just evaporate everybody also.
Got him.
Pickups.
Triple on the side of spirit.
false panic my goodness just rack out these items
I put the linkers on Tim's so maybe some extra sort of way that he can save me
for not see me in these two fights you could you can still you could really
feel how much that momentum shifted right but honestly pretty much since he
from the greedy streak.
All right, they went greedy, it went downhill.
Yeah.
Not that that was.
Breaks doesn't pay, kids.
He's got MKB now, though.
So Natsumi actually has a way to hit the Morphling.
Because before I was watching him,
and he was doing literally nothing, so.
But heavily shut down in their tracks.
Niko, for all the praise that we did give him in this game,
he is now a bit under farmed, right?
Ideally, he wants that we'll have that refreshers
point pretty soon but had to buy back so it's all good off completely ready to come down the
mid lane and team spirit so our two minutes left on the Aegis and these support are always
going to get their spells off on spirit look at their items Lotus plus A on this glimmer of
griefs very difficult to get on that backline
Tim's is looking
Tim's actually in trouble and they get the jump in but that's Tim's gone and he
doesn't have fly back he's there for a minute yeah he was
looking to give information in backline but just yeah they saw him
Here's Barrick's look to be going down whether oh do you like it or not.
No passion. Trying to do something to slow down your Torah. Push remain strong
and their backs are gone. Teen spirit. Stick around for more.
He gets the setup, that's now seen he's dead and gone for a hundred seconds, Niko has
to bail back to the fountain, look a midget jumped there from collapse.
The might just be the game and indeed it will, they don't have to buy back the gamers
over, GG is called Team Spirit, we'll take this game against OG.
Ah, yep, tip the guitar off, right?
It was literally kind of, it was a pretty classic
morphing game for him.
Some of the times he doesn't get his items on.
This one, as soon as, literally as soon as he got it, right?
Butterfly comes online, they destroy
three or four fights in a row.
After OG was having a very good sequence of things.
Spirit.
They were, they were.
If anything, that's gonna make this one
pretty painful for OG, right?
And then I'll look back and say there's definitely
moments where this game could have,
maybe should have been there as well.
tough one there for OG for spirit smiles all around they take the victory spirit
will take the game there's a much needed victory for spirit not just when it
comes to the scoreboards but I think a little bit of morale as well and to be
able to bounce back in a game like that oh it was feeling good Quinn winning
winning games are you're behind all the way it feels the best you can snatch
snatching victory from the jaws of the feet just I could not get my word
I saw a fashion picture from Joseph. He just feels extra special and I think that's spirit. It's one of their biggest strengths as a team. I like the way they drafted this game. I like the deviation they did from some of the ways they were drafting and picking yesterday.
I think it suits them much better because they are the kings of comeback. No matter how much you're ahead, no matter how easy the game feels, it's never over when you're against this team.
That's the thought that we thought they might have lost right that is so reminiscent for spirit years gone by and you know
There's been two changes for themselves right now in the last lamb of course
Loll just taking a little bit of a leave of absence right now and having just a replacement by no means leaving the team permanently
But you do have to two big changeups for themselves in the last few months
So you wonder is that spot still there?
well. They proved us wrong in this game for sure. OG kicking themselves, everything was going so well
for themselves and as much as maybe Owen and Fulke were joking about that miss-click for the greedy
enchantment, but the side of next to me, obviously that wasn't the main thing that I did, but it was
very coincidental how the fights then played out afterwards. Yeah, I mean, I think it definitely
was a miss-click and I think it also had a pretty substantial impact, like I think it genuinely
can't be understated. Suddenly, you're minus 60 damage, and on top of that, you're minus
another enchantment you could have had, so you could have maybe you're minus 60 damage and 30
attack speed. Like that adds up quite a bit. That's a big item. Especially when you've played the
way Natsumi was, there were a lot of times we saw her blinking into these engagements,
and when you're in this mindset of you do have that extra 60, you know just how much
damage you can dish out. So when you blink in, you're not doing that damage,
all of a sudden not blowing up a support, you're not blowing up one of the heroes,
And you have the numbers advantage. It's oh, they still have all of their spells that they can use on me
No, that's a great point
I think it definitely messes with your feel and he's played who knows how many TA games hundred if not over a thousand games
And all of that feel is completely shot because you're right you look at your items
You've played so many games your muscle memory is that this guy's gonna die
And you see it in those fights
He blinks and a little too deep he feeds two kills that are really really bad and the game snowballs off of that
And maybe like you said if he has that extra damage it makes the difference there
And I think not just that greedy item decision, but item decisions in general across this game
Well for OG and for spirit mattered quite a bit. This was it. What minute mark was this?
This was 27 minutes. Yeah, so that was like leaning over the desk. You can't get rid of it
No, like it's just you're just locked. That's 60 damage. You better just enjoy farming our gas or damn something
Anything that isn't running into teen spirit, which is what they eventually did
But you talked about it when you have a certain feel it's muscle memory, right?
it's not a bad thing. It's
not a bad thing. It's not
a bad thing. It's not a bad
thing. It's not any small
thing, whether it's patch or
whether it's enchantment
changes here. It skews a lot
of things off, but there's
one here. You love to the
absolute nines that you have
played 70 games of Boyd
Spirit. I love this here so
much. I love him and
boys. So Yopaj did not
know what he was doing this
game on them. I'll be
completely honest. I don't
think this item build is
And I would believe that I know my stuff and he's going for Manta and he's also skipped the shard and on top of that
He's gone for the two four four skill build
I think void spirit since the universal damage nerfs buying
Stat items and actually trying to right-click is not super feasible and so in my opinion you don't want to go for the shard
You want to have your look at God? Sorry shard is the queue like doesn't proc on camps
It just sits there in lasers them so you can actually just put it on camps and farm with them
He does he did amazing in the lane
He beat the quad pretty hard.
I think for the duration of that early game
was having considerably higher impact.
But I think you could see the fall off at some point.
Going for this match, going for this e-blade,
compared to, I think, an alternate build
or something like the shard with Octorine into Sheeva's
and playing off of that tanking,
being the anti-morphling,
and allowing you to get more of these cues off
with the reduced cooldown
and being that destructive force in fights,
I think is a way that this hero much prefers to play.
And during this time period as well,
where you're talking about Void
is having a lot of impact.
That's why we're questioning
the Queen of Pain a little bit. Why was this Spirit's last pick? What did they see we didn't?
And on top of that, the item build, again, is what you kind of have to mention there.
Yeah, I think it was a little peculiar in, um, for both of them in the item builds. I think the
Ags rush this game on. Queen of Pain doesn't make a ton of sense against Void.
I think you might want to remind of what the Ags does.
Yeah, the Ags is the AoE dagger. It's the spam dagger, but generally you do it in games
against melee heroes or sort of people heroes that don't have a great way to dispel the daggers you
can keep spam a we dagger in them and dealing the massive damage i think that's the best build you
can do in games that it's good but in this game he's playing in void spirit can dodge it
ta can dodge it and not on top of that it's multiple the spells so a bit of a surprising choice
i think it pays off considerably later in the game which spirit eventually gets to
but you could see the the weight i think that that was tied to in the early game
Do you think it could have been more to do with maybe the support,
like seeing elements of having that AOE daggers against the supports
or the fact that Primal considering how good Niko was doing for himself
in that early game? This Primal beast was a lot to be reckoned with.
Yeah, Niko was definitely, he was cooking earlier stages in the game.
I've got some, some clips of these kind of just running around killing everyone.
And I think OG's, their early pressure was amazing.
But I think part of it, the calculations may have been the fatal bombs.
you've got this Queen of
Bane fatal bonds combo.
It's a lot of a we damage.
And also when you think about
like what else he could buy,
it's one of those games where
because of the the face is
always it's not that easy to
really buy anything because
buying just bells on Queen
is just sad.
And so maybe he's just
committed to the bit saying
I'm going to buy this eggs
and it's going to scale
later even though right now
it's going to feel a little
longer.
Yeah, look at this.
The fact that OG just had no
reservations in being there
a tier three like that
during the game to see them
away with the loss. It just almost feels like the math is not
mathing by any means. Like it's just primal did a lot. Your
positive obviously had a great start shutting down the Queen of
Pain too and then you have that one miss click whether it was
the end or be there were a lot of different factors but
heartbreak for a genius and big props to spirit. Like we said
not only in scores did they need this win for themselves.
They were only on two wins before this one but morale as
well. I think it's just like the team needed it.
No, I totally agree. And I think it goes to show this Faceless Void hero why not a lot of teams are going for it.
I think when you itemize well against it, and they also pick this Morphling in response to it,
when you see those two heroes, you don't really think too much of it, but you tore every single fight,
it's stealing the Void, and he's just playing Faceless Void, which is a broken six-slotted hero,
and he gets to play it for free with the farming and the laning abilities that Morphling has.
That goes a really long way. And on top of that, you know, you see Collapsi goes for Jules into
a pipe this game. That's not a typical Mars build, but they're adjusting to the fact they're playing
its time dilation. Every single one of the heroes buys a dispel at some point and then you end up
at this 35-40 minute mark and onwards, you're minus one hero. This boy doesn't do
anything, literally nothing, genuinely. He doesn't exist. Not only as a hero, but it's like his
items. He's building boots and then he's kind of just rushing Lincoln's for himself. And that
is the last thing you want your support to be rushing because now you're down things like
it's like there's so many
other supporting items that
faces would could have had for
himself. So it is one of those
things that the draft really
came together. The spirit, but
on top of that, they played
beautifully over on the B
stream. They had a little bit
of fun, too. We don't normally
touch too much on the B
stream, but this was
something I could not let go
on it. Talked about it all.
Yeah, of course it is mouth
up against Val because it's
probably going to be a
husband. Then no matter
what band all picked up,
it's going to be a
probably going to be a Husker
in there no matter what band
all picked up and mouse opened
the draft with that Husker
there into what you aren't really
seeing right now is who ends up
playing it. It's celery. They
move it to a position five
Husker after an ancient
apparition is picked up by the
side of Falcons. Yeah, flexing
heroes like this is such an
interesting conversation because
while part of is like, we got
the game. I think it's a
little bit uncomfortable on the
zero and it's also a role that
it's very bad. He's 131 at the
end of the game did not really
do very much clearly. Okay, but
only three deaths. One falcon
said 37 kills. Yes, but he
also is the lowest kill
participation of any hero on
five or that's a problem.
That's a bit of a problem.
Funnily enough, there was a
period in time where a
seller was practicing five
Huskar to just play it
normally whenever I was
the next game, and I think
it's a great idea. You know,
you can't go flex between you
and him. If you guys opened
with a husk I think you just
wanted to play like he was just
he just thought Huskar five was
good. He just wanted to play
it. So evidence in here. It's
not great. And I think they
got a little too big for
their bridges picking Huskar.
The enemy responds a you're
like it's fine guys. It's
fine. It's not fine guys.
It's not fine. You needed to
bend the zero or not first
picked the Huskar. Something
different going on. But
I think it's a good idea to
play against teams because it's
rough for them right now. What
would you rather position for
faceless boys of position five
Huskers genuinely four void and
I hate four void. Well, that's
the sort of a problem. We're in
it with Dota right now, but
also the fact that it just
does not stop here. Blast land.
We have our next best of one
extreme gaming up against
Tundra. I don't really want
to talk about Tundra right
now. They're doing great in a
blast. Land. She always
They got the bull rolling for themselves.
Does it continue?
Are there expectations now?
And that's always been an issue for a couple of Chinese teams.
Once expectations are placed, do they crumble?
And I think this team is a team that can meet those expectations
or even surpass them potentially.
There's a lot of players, a lot of the best Chinese players,
even historically, not just in recent history,
but when you look at all time,
Ex Nova, Aimee, these players,
it's hard to have a conversation about the best.
And you know, Ex Nova's most likely to win.
You know Exxon was Malaysian, but on Chinese teams who have had the most success
I think they're great at performing under pressure
They've won many many tournaments and they've got the goat Chinese coach in Xiao eight
So I think if any Chinese team is going to you know live up to the region standards
I think it was these guys while they're already doing it five and three right now for extreme gaming
But they're coming up out foot up against our first seed here at Blastland pundra
So let's see what's gonna happen in our draft
I can give free advice to anyone and trust me, I like to do it a lot.
This one though I think is resonated with a lot of people.
Take out the invoker.
Let's go!
And they do it.
They actually did it before I even said it and I have to say what is up with teams just letting Tundra get it
And you just I would literally cannot explain my frustration
When it feels like an ego trip some teams have to not ban out this invoker against BZM
But it's taken out this time round
We don't have to do on it too much along with the side of Trian protector
Which is hardly seeing the light of day right now competitive with shadow demon and primal beast 2 2 heroes that we saw just before
are not best of one. Yeah, and those are heroes that extreme plays very, very well. So super
logical bands. Um, think everything makes sense across the board. The Mars as well. It's
not a hero we see first phase band a ton, but it's a hero that 33 will never ever play
and X success is one of the best Mars is in the world. So makes a lot of sense on
the flip side. XG now with bat and charm and bands. I think both teams very much
going down the line of we're banning stuff that you really like and we're not big
fans of, which is I think generally a pretty good school of thought on bands.
Mars is really popping off. This is and I would say it was one of those ones that he will kind of looked at it for day one
They're like, oh
Maybe toe in the line, but it's yeah, no extremely
Really well for itself to a similar sort of hero is shadow fiend pure his already played two games on this shadow fiend
And he does that what is it the mix of magic and physical
I think it's a very cool
challenge. Yeah. Kyasha
Blinken to like silver edge
Datalys so crazy. Yeah, it's
weird, but it's cool. I like
it. Uh it fits his style. We
mentioned it the other day,
but I think it fits playing
with 33. Every team in this
guys on wallies be all about
him, and when you're playing
with him, whether you're
playing carry mid or any
other role, you got to make
skate space because this
guy's farming. So I think
playing this sort of almost
And it also fits pure pseudo-hipster playstyle.
I'm curious to see though how extreme response to the Shadowfiend.
I think Xiaowei is one of, historically, the drafters that is the best at dealing with a hero on a conceptual level.
So Shadowfiend, they leave it in the pool, Thunder's had a lot of success with it, as you mentioned before.
So what will their answer be to it? How can they deal with a hero that's felt sort of unbeatable for a lot of teams?
Would you like to know just how Shadofin is fairing as a whole?
Not just on Tundra, because Tundra has a 100 cent win rate for themselves with it, but
there's a lot of other people that have been able to get their sneaky hands on it too.
Maybe around 50-50?
A little bit more than that.
So nine wins and four losses.
So about 69.
Nice.
Nice.
That's a nice win rate.
For a nice hero, that is better than I expected.
I mean, it is a very strong hero and Extreme Response with Brewmaster which has good qualities.
Again, Shadow Fiend, you have all this evasion, you have all this armor, you have these pandas
and Shadow Fiend doesn't have AoE damage necessarily to kill the pandas, but at the same time,
I think it's a lot of a very good lane and a lot of the anti-panda gameplay in fights is
when he presses ult, you just hit the pandas, especially the wind one if you kill it first
that removes his ability to tornado the guy who's good at killing the pandas.
In a lot of fights, historical people think about Panda.
They think about you tornado, the Tidehunter.
You tornado, the team fight here.
You keep them in the air and you fight everyone else.
I think over time, that's changed the way
that you play against Brewmaster.
I think a lot of the time, people have gotten better
at killing the Pandas.
And so when you split, you either need to tornado
the DPS guy right away, or he's
going to kill your Wind Panda, and they will slowly just
mow them all down, assuming you're not strong enough.
You can just keep running over them.
So there's some back and forth here.
I think in this Shadowfiend versus Panda matchup,
But there are good things for it too.
I don't know if I really want to talk on the Largo right now.
What's wrong with Lily Pad, boy?
I love the Froggy Bro, but...
At least we're not going to be seeing him in position 3.
That's right. He's a support.
I'll take my consolation prize.
And I don't think FYI's going to be playing him either.
And I don't know if we've seen a single 5 Largo on the A-Street.
We've seen some 4s.
I like how you put that extra caveat in it.
We as the two of us...
You and me.
the two of us combined with our eyesight on the a stream specifically you would be correct.
Because I was about to call you after that one too. Oh what we have not seen
you and I on the mainstream with our eyes with our own personal eyes since day one is a Marcy.
Yeah we saw a couple losses from it uh some of the first games of the tournament and then
everyone kind of was like okay we lost a few games we're done with this here for now but
it's back um a hero that synergizes well with Shadowfiend because you can jump them out
So hero that positioning matters greatly because once he's out of position getting swarmed by the pandas by the frogs
Then it can be a problem for this hero
So being able to jump him out against extremes first two heroes that don't have much lockdown
I can see the rationale there even though I'm a bit of a Marci Kater on I think the heroes a bit sus
Actually, Tundra the only game they lost they had Marcy. So I was about to say I was gonna follow that
It's a hard one to really say though that it was the master
She did a lot in the early game to get her cause out of really tough positions, saving the bat rider that was in that game, saving the Slark as well that would overextend a little bit when pushing lane.
So she did a lot.
Ari played her really well to ensure that her cause were not dying unnecessarily.
But it was with the Beastmaster 2, and Beast right now does not have that good win rate.
So it's really hard to look at the formula and just say,
Marthi isn't very good because when she was played by Ari, it did look great and impactful at the beginning.
That's very true. I think Ari is someone who's very competent on the serial and has played it a lot.
Even if you look back to the time where he was on Navi himself, they were playing a lot of Marthi and having a lot of success with it.
It was a first-phase ban for them back then.
But this Phoenix star, I want to touch on a little bit.
I think going back to...
How are you touching on that a lot?
Okay, I'll touch on...
Actually, I'm not going to put it up, I'm going to say it was a little too.
Save that for after hours.
I think Phoenix fits very well this sort of new age counter to Rue Master, which is you deal with the pandas when he splits
He presses the split and you fire spirit all the pandas
Which means that they don't do any DPS and you also brew masters a hero that's over time damage
He's slow. He's long fights where you you get these vessels off and you do little bits and pieces of damage
Phoenix sun rays he eggs and he can counter that panda split not to mention you can't hit the egg when you press the split
So there's a lot of elements this match up that are very good
anything. Whiteman is the best Phoenix five player. He is so so good at the early game. We would use
have scrims against these guys, but they would pick Phoenix. We would kick a stomped in lane and
they would just run us over. And so when I see Whiteman playing Phoenix, I have a hundred times
more faith in it than I do on any other player playing the Phoenix. Well Phoenix has been played
twice of course that one time by Whiteman already up against Yandex. They got the win there,
but Navi also played it for themselves and if anyone didn't get that game of Navi and
mouse. It literally was got the juice on Windranger just getting to like 1v8 with his Phoenix Sunray
healing him up. And that was it. That is like the whole recipe that they needed right there. So
Phoenix looking pretty good right now. It was played in the off-length though for the side of
Navi whereas we can pretty much chalk it up to being a white one and a support here for Tundra.
Yeah most certainly 33 did play at one time I think at Blast Blast Slime or 1v4. It was
some last time. That's ages, that's history. It is ancient history. The DK is interesting because
when you see Phoenix, a lot of times you think, ah, DK's not very good against that. It's percent
based damage. It's a lot of burn and magic damage which is good against DK and I would agree generally.
But I do think it has good things for this extreme draft. When you look at these first two heroes
and also the Marana, they want a hero that has a stun because they're a lot of slow damage,
a lot of poke and random odds and ends. You need something a little oomph that allows you
to actually lock hero down and kill them.
So I think it suits that quite well.
It's also here that's super high armor against the Shadowfiend,
and it's what they've decided to be the best carry match
that they want against the Shadowfiend, right?
They went into this prep knowing
that we're giving Shadowfiend, and when you do that,
you have some ideas for second phase
of what you potentially want to respond,
and the director has decided
that hero is gonna be Dragonite.
I also would love every pro player
and coach out there to at me right now
and tell me, why is, why is it,
I'm the only one picking the leaps and bounds fast on Marana. We've been seeing her so much more
She is the absolute flavor of the group stage and it's this starstruck fast that everyone wants to keep going back to
Despite the fact that leaps and bounds might actually be a good fast for once
It was dog order when it first came out. I could definitely see X Nova take it this game
Don't get my hopes up clan planks. All right. He's not gonna take it. He's gonna take star short
He won't take it ever
ever
Even when it becomes the only fast and he will not take it. Nope. I'm taking no fast. I
I think this I mean, it's a very very good tide game
He's super tanky against all these heroes and the zero whenever he's encountered is incredibly broken
So extreme I think at this point they're considering. Okay classic tide counters is what they're looking at
Whether that be carries or mids
They have the option of still flexing the dragon at that
They definitely need a counter for this hero because their heroes right now to be frank are not good enough
against Tidehunter. It will be, sorry yeah, Nat, excuse me, wrong name. To be Nat, they're just not
good enough against Tidehunter and so you need something that counters him. Regardless of what
the lane is, you've come into one of these last phase situations where you're not picking for the
lineup, theirs or yours, you're picking to counter Tidehunter in a large way because their lineup
is pretty well rounded but they need something that deals with this guy.
Let's see what gets left in the pool then potentially deal with it.
The answer won't be that the Weaver is taken out by a team gaming themselves.
There's a little razor in the pool, if you want to get crazy there's something like a
Huskar.
Oh my goodness, is that the craziest we can get?
Let me think, can we get crazier?
I think we can.
What's even crazier?
You're going to be crazier than Hoska because Hoska doesn't feel that crazy, you know.
Uh, we're getting necrophos carry.
Yeah, that's right. You're crazy.
You might need to reel that back in then, but...
I'm sorry, not that crazy.
Yeah, two steps backwards.
Necrophos carry is very good against Ty, but unfortunately he's an awful hero that they nerf because he's good in pumps, so it's very sad.
For all us necrophos lovers out there, all four of us.
You're a big old necrolove, huh?
I'm not going to respond to that.
These allegations.
As we come to our last phase, Xtreme does have the overall aspects.
they get to maintain this dragonite flex which is very good for them so they can get that
end all BL counter pick and tundra they're probably picking a mid hero we've seen only
shadow fiend carrier from them so far so it surprises me a little bit the extreme bans
the weaver even though it is the best carry hero against the panda so it was a possible
pick it leaves tundra with ember and storm as the potential options bcm we know what
looking for they got a storm you know what that means let's give him the
better the doubt he's thinking about he's he wants to use his time okay it's a
pretty decent ember game so like what's that oh okay so streamers writing their
read that it could that could be the yeah they 50-50ed it with the weaver in
the storm bed right split the wickets and one of them came true this slark I
I think I'm I've mixed feelings on I think it pairs well with Phoenix in that you have
a really strong aggressive vibe who's going to get up in there and battle but Panda against
Slark is a two sided matchup and this Lush is a is sort of that classic counter against
Tidehunter it's overwhelming magic damage and you have pure damage as well which is especially
good against Tide.
He does have the mostanther be clicked right now which is the better fasted against
The other one, the chronoptic nourishment is more about the magic damage, so if tide buys that pipe, it can mitigate to quite a big degree.
So I don't necessarily mind him going for the misanthropy in this case, but it is definitely not black and white.
I think these drafts are actually relatively even.
I think she may have done a decent job of responding to what Tundra has, but it's not black and white.
So I think a lot of this will come down to play, and if Tundra can keep up that blast excellence.
I just want you to read that name. Sorry. That's under lago for me
FY okay, and if we will roll to roll back the tapes, what would you have said about FY and lago?
I think I said they wouldn't he would not play it
But does it make more sense when the draft progressed a little bit more and you saw the morada come at you
Like I guess we kind of have to see just what he's got in the back pocket for lago
Yeah, I mean if they want dragonite then you don't want dragon at lago lane. I think it's a bit ubery
So, sort of changing based on this dragonite. For some reason, teams just prefer it for compared to 5.
It keeps being the case. I'm not 100% sure what the rationale is, but that is definitely the case.
This lane against Slark, it's a double melee lane. You've got a Phoenix in your team, which to me says that Slark will have a pretty good start.
And it's a hero that needs a good start. So, I think, Pierre, compared to the last time we saw him lose on the Slark, we'll have a better entrance to the game.
to be the second loss in a
group stage at a Blast Lanquan.
That's the ultimate question.
People are sitting on their edge
of their seats to find the
answer to. And the ultimate
answer is yes. They have
Clark. They have Marcy, though
that was both of those heroes
in their only loss early this
tournament. They will lose a
lot of the time. But yeah,
I think there's a little bit
more legs in what is
happening here for the
tundra lineup. But is it
going to be the second
lost in a group stage at a
Blast Lanquan? That's the
ultimate question. People are
sitting on their edge of
their seats to find the
this tournament and they will lose again.
You heard it here first.
That's it, Quinn's putting it all out there.
He does not have faith in this block.
And Amos, he backed it back in for the side of Tundra.
I'm sure a lot of people out there
would love to see what happens with Extreme Game
and getting their hands on the logo as well
as picking up a Dragon Knight best.
Let's get on into it.
Let's continue our best of ones
and see just how the action will unfold.
to get into the action here
between Tundra and X dream
for. We've got two great
lineups here today coming in
a lot to talk about right
looking forward to what
It's going to be a lot of fun and then over the side of time. I'm always excited to see some slot
Especially when it's in the hands of pure because recently yeah, he's coming with some quite crazy plays. You never know what to expect with him
Yeah, definitely some hipster stuff to the other day. I actually had faith in the slide
I gotta be honest with you. I thought it would do pretty good
They went triple orchid though risk of the puck and like they they're midgame timing
They didn't find kills or anything things got a little weird
But I don't know this hero is definitely better
but I'm still seeing a lot of weaknesses and a lot of problems especially because
A lot of times when I'm seen picked there's still heroes like a lash available, right and traditionally
Lash has been one of these heroes that the damage is just gonna be ripping through the shadow dance inside the team fights
He's got Largo as well to buff them up
So we'll see if it works Tundra. They've made a lot everything work pretty much
Except for Marcy and Slark in this tournament and they have both
Let's see if they can make it work here
Ari and pure. Is it gonna be on them?
Yeah, it's interesting to see how BZM is going to do, right?
It's an old-school matchup. SF vs. Lesh, haven't seen it in a long, long time.
It used to be that, you know, if Lesh tries to ever walk up and play,
the SF can get the races with times of change,
so let's see what is going to go down in the matchup.
Has he gone for the chronoptic nourishment
rather than going for the misanthropy that Quinn was talking about?
Yeah, I mean, surely what the Lesh gets is a bit of an edge, or not necessarily?
First the SF? Yeah. I would say skill based. Maybe slightly, but I don't know. I've seen
a lot of these SF sisters. You can do pretty well if you do get these like raised connections
early on and get the stacks up. But it does hit my two stars. Oh my god. My goodness,
BGM, watch out there, sir. That was close. First few levels does have to be big careful,
I guess if he does get sent by this if I just on the fugee doesn't happen
Why he's going down white one on the Phoenix, you know, I couldn't talk about on the panel
You know why one Phoenix quite something to be fair for them
Yeah, and that who actually again to get into for is it white mon?
So let's see what brings out on the courier
He could go boots and then you like pretty much prevent the Largo from pulling right now
You know, we didn't even talk about the lane
But it's a slot for a double melee and usually these double mailings just avoid the lane right they just start doing some weird
Pole mechanics they've fully avoided, but yeah white mods gonna have boots after that to chase
So they might just have to play the lane has no
Sweetop playing
No, I'm a pretty free for 33
Yeah, I meant for football fry. I mean it would pressure onto the DK on the other levels
Eh, DK should be just fine up there, so it should be Trader Farms.
Maybe they can mess up some CS. Maybe Ari could potentially die if he's not careful, but he probably shouldn't.
He's gonna have that rebound in most situations to get away.
And then Weimond.
Doing what he does best.
They've got the lick to dispell once, but Fire Spirits, there's plenty of them.
And then CS continues to be pretty even a little bit of a lead here for nothing to say. Yeah, just that slight for now
Now the Sun connects should be just fine gets an extra deny because of it
I mean what sort of the the freedom looking like when it comes to the supports on both sides like
which seems to be more
And have the resources to sort of move over towards that mid and kind of help in these kind of rune situations that these two are gonna be fighting over
And they're both they're both very likely to move over honest
I think yeah, both teams have pretty good availability to just make that swing over and can potentially just net themselves a kill
Maybe FYI honestly probably the best candidate just because this lane bottom is just I don't know
He might have to just like go check over and then try to pull away from a strange place
But the fact that my god this kill is actually such a big deal
the boots first pure is actually getting contested pretty heavily in terms of
individual lasted stuff but they do like about Largo sometimes is like even
though you go boots you have an 80 base damage pure
oh you take quite a few hits there as that pounce was very nicely blocked off
seems a white Mon 5-4 he wants to get the kill against that play he's got to
be able to get it white Mon again finding these opportunities to get in
there knows that he can go for these aggressive dives and they won't be able
to punish him. Another kill for Whitemon. He's ready to carry the early game here for
Tundra. Truly, oh and he's got tranquil boots already. So he's gonna have sustain always
to be able to put out the pressure. I mean Pure has to be a little careful with how much
damage he is soapy though. He is just taking the beating. I mean if it, yeah he's gonna
be careful. If I quite get the link on him. Yeah, it looks like they could potentially
kill you. I keep having to look down there because they could just get a little
So
Top lane I don't think anyone should die so top lane's probably the only we can avoid
But Ari is looking to make a move so it looks like he is potentially looking to sandwich with BZM
If they can get a secondary raise with the slow can't quite there
And Pierce pretty much out of region so as good as white one has actually done in terms of bullying here has no region
It was to be able to just trade it. Oh
Oh, nothing to say to the close.
There.
They're going to play in now.
TP's going to be coming in.
Ahri, he's got the rebound.
BZM's able to step up.
It's not enough first straight away.
Finally, did X-ray comes through to get the kill,
but they're taking a lot of damage here under the tower.
X-Nurban might just get the cleanup on both of them effectively.
BZM will drop the tree to try and block off the vision,
but X-Nurban's still going to get him with the right click.
So they get him and get the kill,
but they do lose two at their lives for it.
And X-Nurban gets quite a nice little boost of XP there,
getting that solo pick off on the SF at the end of it.
These might be the happiest five positions of the tournament in the first five minutes.
Weimond has tranquil boots and the Miran is now about to be level five from a double kill.
Has boots as well finished up. The dream, really for both of these fives. Great rotation.
Four bottom. Take an Australian frags, success. No biddies in low headed.
Ahri comes in with a rotation, they get the jump, makes success, trying to run.
He will fall. Weimond though, he's going to get licked up by Fy there. Big pickup there for Fy to take Weimond down and put an end to that killing spree.
Okay with the net the hilltroll it was against it
My goodness he's lucky that's done in here. It's going super aggressive there trying to get the raises lined up on to nothing to say under the tower
Couldn't quite look at it way to kill
Both playing around power really catapult wave because they still have it here at the ready. Everyone's rotating
I'm almost left this
He's going to chase on, he's got the blood grenade down on him.
Still got a couple of spirit stuff, he might just be able to do this, it's his next spirit
hits.
Well shit should, Whitemon's going to have to kill another one for Whitemop.
They've got that back over in the mid, BZM and R.I. they're getting and this time they
will take down nothing to say, they won't lose their lives for it.
BZM's even high enough to essentially go for F.W.I.B.
Under the tier two might be a bit too far for him to go for at this stage of
the game.
I quite like seeing the the Marcy with the SF mid actually it's the little bit of slow that these raises give gives up the
Time for the Marcy to get in and then you have repositioning tool with raises so potentially can get another set of raises off too
So there's actually a nice little duo. I see the Marcy SF a lot in the safe lane when you're not playing as much around the raises
Right, but like around mid you're definitely seeing the potential of the rotations
Cool stuff here and all because of this too look at 33
He's playing versus DK and we know how 33 players he'll pull these creeps to neutrals. He'll maximize exactly that
He is
Funtide this game could really be problematic a good blad to a good pipe timing if he wants to go down that route
It'd be pretty massive for his team
Not for sure you're getting these auras online could be so that difference that allows pure to kind of get stuck into the
Fights without having to be too scared of the left
Yeah, because I'm looking and I'm like they have a bruise don't go auras these bruise build the agonim
So there's gonna be an aura versus no aura lineup with the slar. So
Jump some with the rebound takes him out to the side BGM is gonna be fine
Honestly, you just for pick me up right like I know we would we always talk about pick me up with that set
This positioning so important, but man is yeah, definitely very strong in the mid lane in particular power rune again
We're gonna get it
That's gonna be not sure bring that nothing to say
Here has it six at success is delivered five needs one creep he gets it
Hi, there's we had a friend pure pure my goodness. He might just be dead
He's gonna run into the tree shattered on still on cooldown. Oh my god away
That was that was close. He nearly died there fault and I hit me because of a fairy fire. Yeah
up my month might not be as lucky as
caught in the stunt and he will pay the
price but jelly at least tons of pure
survives
I was wild I thought he was dead I had
legitimately thought he was dead
and it's always gonna be the route
then on the slide for pure always go
from the Midas it seems to be it
seems to be his way it seems like
there's like two I think what two three heroes that go to Midas now it's the
brew of the spark and we have one other one didn't we we had someone else build
it I don't know if it's the way the heroes man it goes
yeah what was it we did we have to have pure buy a net
yeah we had the brew Midas brew Midas worked out right that was a win I
like the brew Midas I think you either go through Midas or Vessel I think
there's like I don't know I'm actually starting to see I'm starting to see
But might as well and I'm sorry to I kept with I'm saying I'm sorry actually accepted
Acceptance, you know, it's the seven stages of grief or whatever it is
Stop playing that I've got three of them up. I mean, they do have supernova. They're gonna try and go for Armin
Good for setup. Why most ready to come through with the dive this bell want to use the egg quite
Yeah, and teepees are coming in so
They have the full five man here tundra everybody's up and 33 okay, so he's just going she was right
I mean we talked about how she was seems to be one of the items of the tournament kind of
It's he's just gonna watch us he was I thought he's just got about the novel
Yeah, I don't mind it right against a lago against a carry DK
Kind of feels good
It does I mean I wouldn't I wouldn't hate it just be the weirdest like look at a phase win lace
She if he does do that we look pretty interesting. That's for sure. So we'll say
What was the other hero of this game, Sheva's Rush?
We were seeing the storm between the Kai'San and Sheva's but...
We saw someone else that goes Sheva's first time though, right?
Was it a Phoenix?
Oh, it was a Phoenix, maybe. Yeah, it was a offlane Phoenix, right?
Yeah, so offlane Phoenix is...
Oh, here?
Oh!
He's chilling.
You know what's got arrowed?
He likes to live on the edge. I said that's why it's always a sexual watch.
They're gonna go to the dive, and I'm gonna see the back of Fy, BCM, he's dead for that one.
They just trying to kill SF underneath the tower.
I was actually pretty sick from Amme. He was a counter ganking for his Largo.
It's like he read the play coming in and now they can get a counter push going themselves.
Phoenix Ag is up.
Just this game in particular, no we did mention, and I should have actually mentioned this a little bit earlier,
But looking at the way that the egg can play because the other game when the white one was playing this Phoenix
It was for melee that couldn't hit the egg this one not going to be the case this egg can absolutely die
There's a leaf that can kill it almost solo from the Verana support
There's a dispel and DK range for him. So this is not one of those free egg games
There is ways to cover it though. They've got requiem ravage so he can get them off still but definitely
Not freeze
I don't want to try and finish off the tower here but the fortification comes out and
got four heroes around so I'm sure we'll have to come back for that one later.
Our Midas is ready, Midas number one is done so you see the brew having that one,
pure still a bit of waste for me because he can get slowed down even though White
Mundan a great job bottom.
I'm going to look to go to my Moonlight to see if they can try and go for the
tight kill. Army is going to be in position for the setup. That's the opening. They close
in on towards him. 33L used the ravage to run. Can they kill him afterwards? He's got
Facebook, he is speedy in that river. He's got the TP out of the arrows there so they
will manage to get him. Bring down that side.
It's punished over aggressive positioning. Pure Midas is coming out.
Excess is down bottom, except there's near the area, but can't really punish him.
Limited movemaking that I would say for Tundra, a lot of the regression
has to come around Aries. They want to look to set up besides just attacking
heroes and hopefully for the best. Yeah, he's gone aggressive here.
He's going to try and pause the split out.
I don't know what come is gonna go for the TP and shadow dance
You've got what he wanted just wanted to try and aggressive he falls for split out and he gets it out of it
It's heads up
Bravage was used on the flip side on the other side of defensive position
But yeah, now they could maybe look for a fight with no Bruce split
Or maybe can just pass or okay. He just walks up and kills him
All right. Well, yeah, he was gonna be very happy with that one. He's a good job
Easy, I might get the split out of him then you get the kill
all right stayed with HP under the wave he was so low almost one-way skill
the mission and they're stealing stacks because of that they have this deep
vision that they placed down so double stack agents nice move
I'm sure I'm still in the top spot but the three calls to Tundra right behind him.
The Shibas is, I mean, it's 1400 away, he has committed four.
It doesn't mean there's not going to be a pipe that we were mentioning as early, but
nothing to say.
Are we going to grab?
He's in with the jump, they caught nothing to say.
Got pulled, got disposed during the lick, I believe, so it gets yanked and back out
of position from it.
interaction as lesh is definitely gonna have some issues I gotta say he's gone
he's cute he went kaya too super fragile not the grease built that we've
seen a couple times on this corruptic nourishment not the blink that we see
on the mess after if you rush he went kaya and walking in in this game as a
lesh can be pretty dangerous he's got DK and Brutafront line for him but
There's a lot of damage on it of concerns
And in terms of bills as well is this what you expect it from F1 lago
Did you think you'd take some the croc a genius earlier this game?
I I kind of thought that he would but I guess the dispel is very valuable versus the Phoenix because sometimes you see like
one one three or one three one but yeah it's like determines based off how good
of a lick game it is and how much he thinks he's going to be playing around
his flesh with the drums so maybe he just doesn't think that he's going to be doing that as much as yet
I like seeing the variety of builds on Largo. I think greaves tends to be the
usual option though in terms of items that you want to get on the four position
but skill builds has an immense amount of variety
these moments time for just a little bit more out of the map see a build wise from pure
after the minus going straight for the orc this game rather than some sort of diffuser
build and wants to have that silence I love it I think we mentioned this a lot but play
vs. Largo silences are incredibly valuable just one of them at least that plus the
brewmaster of course right those brew probably more than anything but yeah the orchid
can have its merits. Nothing to say. That was a, honestly, this is the death spot. I think
everyone knows right, the river. Good luck. Ooh, that's, it's a Sheeva's now done. This
is very early and they do have quite a lot of magic damage in their draft with the Phoenix
in the shadow fiend too so let's see how xg route these things back together after nothing
to say dying back to back in all army oh
33 is going to start getting on top of the dragon knight
he's got him at the slow with the gush and the shiva is buying time for harry bz and
a white one to swing in and blow army up with the reqquian they're getting these kills
they're starting to make it look pretty easy at tundra with these moves xg looking a little
bit lost in these last few months. No, absolutely. I mean, nothing to say, right? They don't have a
mid to rally around Rumi, and he is... I'm really worried about how fragile he is. Even if he goes
to this blink build, since he's Chronoptic Nourishment, you don't kill the heroes as fast,
and they have the burst. So we'll see how he does start to fix his game, because this is
really starting to get the ball rolling for Tundra, and their teamfight, it is very
terrifying on Tundra. They now have the blink on the Shadow Fiend too, so...
Three BKBs. These teamfights look very complicated for XG.
Yeah, no for sure and that's the thing right you you mentioned obviously they do have measures to hit the egg
But between the ravage and the requiem Hunter have got a lot of ways to make sure that those hits just can't come in
They've got the lockdown
And you have Blake BZM he's we have Blake plus the kaiyasha he will have the follow-up with the requiem every single time
He will have the coverage
He's next you know, he'll keep that actually pretty careful
Oh and why?
He's not going to be careful enough, they'll find him.
Success also.
He's going to pop the split, but it's a split and sort of hit the jungle.
It's a split and to give them the Roshan is what it is.
I think so, yeah, Tundra straight over towards it.
of wards it.
Impressive gameplay that Tundra has put on just in a couple minutes and a lot of it really revolving around the supports right.
Ari and White Launch just putting out a display of aggression to promote the course through to get these kills.
Ari's rotations on mid honestly what three, four times now have almost all landed in success.
They can keep this aggression going, no need to slow down right now.
Also ready, as I really do think it's going to be one of those games where XG has to get
to these BKBs, BKB Lash, BKB DK, and then they can maybe look for some type of fights.
If they can win fights pre-BKB somehow, I would be incredibly impressed.
Why?
Too scared to walk up and even throw the frogs.
So actually, it's just by some time, right?
You see, Amé, he does have to blink. He has the armor. He's got the Mask of Madness.
They still can get pick offs around the map because they do have these double blanks plus
Marana with Moonlight Shadow so if they can find heroes split off, on Tundra they still
absolutely can't kill them.
It's just Tundra's idea of the game right now is looking for a teamfight right so we'll
We'll see if they do get caught split off from each other.
And speaking of T-fight, Tormenter, very soon.
Chance to the next T-Protestant, well, shot for Ari.
Really nice one in terms of individual plays.
Jumping off of enemies is very nice as well.
And he has Blake, so a lot of aggression, Owen.
A lot of ways to close that gap, triple blinks up at the ready, plus a phoenix who can dive, so essentially all five heroes can jump a target, because Slark has the pounces as well.
I want to try and swing over the walls of the mid lane with these smokes.
That was Ames BKB. Okay, he's got the second component. Once he's got it, then perhaps they do look for a fight.
Axe on X-XS, okay maybe they're gonna look to try to mount the fight around this.
They're gonna go for it with the smoke, but it is into this ages. It's a risk that they're taking here, XG.
It is. WhiteMine is showing again alone.
The opening stun, R interconnects as well. They'll take WhiteMine down, but they'll get him on a fall-bound ravage.
Into the wreck, pushing them all back, bursting through FY, FY's gone. Exnervator fall.
X-XS will get the Primal Split off, but Pure's ready to keep himself safe with the Shadow Guards, not the side, Ari.
Ari is trying to get nothing to say, he will die, Ari, but he sets up for 33 to come in and clean nothing to say up.
X-XS, he's just got to run with the remainder of this Primal Split.
They're chasing it though, Pure.
Attempting to go for the chase, can't quite.
The Mini Stunts, honestly the Frog Stomp Mini Stunts gets quite long kill there, right?
He's trying to get the Ravage off, the little Mini Stunts stops the Ravage,
Ends up getting that kill, but they do lose a lot as we're saying of the team fight from tundra overwhelming still even without the phoenix
Was 32 and we made come in with the TP and 33 is pretty beefy
To be able to pack up here with the crack and shenifat pure is ready to go aggressive turns in force them with the silence
Bcm here ready right around the razors pure
She had a dog seems to come to an end and I'm a trying with the chase dark
I will be there to remove the dragon tail stun. So pure is gonna be back to safety
XG still seems to find something else. They look towards BZM because BZM is still with the Aegis in his hands.
This is DSF, he's been in here for a five-wide month. 33 jumps back forward, they're super nervous, ready to go.
There's no one that can hit the A. They can't focus or they have to try it back off.
They will take BZM down the watch, but he's going to be back to round two with the Aegis.
And Fyre's getting chased down by 33, and Purra jumping forward from R.
He's looking for more. I'm able to turn with the dragon turn into the arrow from R.
I have to take out Ari, but now R makes himself in danger.
33 and Birb is taking out as well XG. They just can't take these fights
No, they said I'd say that I'm surprised. They've really tried that hard to go for the fights pre BKB on a particular
Traits his life for a kill on that Marcy. I thought this is where Pierce a kind of thrives the long fights
He's getting these stacks built up sure
He's looking a little quiet because of how amazing the rest of his team looks
But those are the fights where he can't start to do things
Oh easy guilt breaks over catches a white one trying to channel air the outpost
So well, it'll take that one X Nova. That's a bit of a freebie there
And yeah, nothing to say just continues to really struggle
He was in the front line this time trying to get the staunch trying to get the combo on white mind
But why months you'll have egg earlier. So just pops in the face of the lash
11k lead now for tundra fully finding their footing this game
I like how aggressive Ari's being too. You saw how he was he actually on this fight
He completely went on nothing to say and zoned him out of the fight
So he couldn't actually get in to help with anything either sure he gives his life
But they got the kill and he almost solo'd him
No, that Ari, one of the few players still playing this hero, so
You can next it does he need to feel the supporting item or can you afford to like just go BKB?
So you can just go BKB ult on top of the Lash would be really annoying.
I think I thought he would go BKB the other day too where he went the order.
Yeah.
So I think how the QB could be is just using the Sander that you want to have on these Marcy's.
Sometimes you can go Solars, but if you're getting this type of game, sure.
Yeah, what's it?
Agnes, the 33.
A very obnoxious build to play against, the Shiva's, the Gash Spam constantly, their fight
is very strong, they're looking for it.
Here, Agh's done, has a jam as well.
Except the name of the game is still the same for XJ, try to get the BKBs at least.
I'll see if I can catch him.
That's why we're very dead.
Sorry.
Just X and over get away.
Doesn't clip him.
Super close.
Okay, there's one.
Yeah, probably just a little bit of a while away from the one from nothing to say.
I'm trying my best to find it here before he's forced into another fight.
We do have to say too that's not going to be a BKB that just makes him invulnerable
because he still can have some problems in terms of how squishy he is.
There's this high physical now with the, oh my gosh, the Slark if he's actually able to get in and out of the fights.
looking for a pick off around army with the BKB with the level 18
They absolutely can find pick offs if they do find the right targets
Maybe not 33, but with the stun and arrow combo it can absolutely look for some of these heroes
33 is very deep, but he does have a shield rune
They're aware of his position
yes shield and blink so
he's surrounded by all five of xg but they don't really find a chance to really
do much about him let's see him now he's gonna get licks
but he's now got back up the rest of tundra have been able to connect with
them jump him with the burst looking for f5 but f5 is helping the heals off
wrap around him from the side and let's make jump up to wipe on them when he
Get rid of this Phoenix, but Ari takes Waimon off to the side.
The V comes out into the ravage.
They blow Pecsex just before he can get the split off.
They have the control between the referee and the ravage
to stop the through, pressing that hole,
and now they're ready to go for more.
They've got the pounce into the Supernova stun.
They've held our man position.
He's now dead for a minute with our buyback.
They're ready to start diving up to the fountain.
Chasing back Fy, nothing to say next.
Nova, fortification will come out.
Tundra, they can back off, look towards the towers.
instead it should beat these team fights they're too tough to take and the jump
to the save there of course Ari coming in again with big rebound plays keeping
one on safe. Yeah beautiful really from honestly Ari a couple of these games
Ari really shines on some of his heroes he shot in the other day we saw
with 33, he's got the ice cream. Well they might even have Fyze as well.
Pass from Pure, into the silence, the spot is from Ari, Fyze dead.
Could be two sets, still some stacks on the slot to be able to get this push going.
What can I actually do? Even when they're back up!
I think they've lost too many fights in the sequence. They haven't gotten these items on them.
The BKBs got stalled way too long, they just got the Lash BKB too.
and it also gonna be back up very soon that's the crazy thing and looking at Bzm I love
that he's done this little pivot it just going for the silver edge now versus DK also
so they're gonna have a break really good approach and they can look for the fight
bolts are pretty much gonna be back up so for for XG question is where do you want
actually go from here it's kind of just yeah hug army and try to bump them up and
hope
come towards the roadshare tundra XG smoked up can they actually make it over
to the pit in time and can they now how and after they go about getting a
successful fight you just want to have a jump arry
I bet how
If you just already guaranteed egg you actually you just have to go for life
Well, just hope that you can take him out for hours and save him by the mouth. Yeah
But there's a lot of issues in these fights of this play of course
33 you know he just feels unkillable. He's ready to just pretty much just walk up the five of them
I just think that's on a way to know for
So we'll be able to remove the anchor goes to the TP out
He tried to headband it
He found a fly nothing to say
That flies gonna get core. I mean maybe they can you also catch up to say a 30 frees him with the jump
It's gonna have to be KB TP here on the last
Dude actually, you know what honestly
Slark might be one of the most perfect heroes for slower though because he's just healing and you're just like, okay
One more essence ship. Heals again. One more essence. Heals again. One more essence ship.
That ship looks quite nice, to be honest with you, even though I'm not a huge fan of this
slak. There's all my good GM. Alright, he wants to start showing off now going for these plays.
That's a dead army carry for one minute.
Some of these mids be styled in this tournament, you know, he talks about
He's looking at a particular right. Yeah, he's was invoker. What was it? Is it Storm as well? SF here?
He's having a great time
He's looking at absolute top part like some of these games, you know people always say it's like the be easy M
Or the be lol's like whatever like this is easy
He's playing super well very confident plays very aggressive. Hey, Harry's making a mistake. Harry is an easy
He kept me still on call down of course. I'll first go from the bottom lane. He's dead
No buy back on him out for a minute
I can't mount the fight and here it comes. That final racks.
See how fast flying the trees there. 33 BZN goes straight for him.
Pick up another kill.
They look to shut down this game. Tundra.
kind of crushing xg here today and yeah actually cool it's over gg's called tundra to take the game
extreme they really couldn't get anything going in their way this game this was for a tundra show
and honestly a pretty relaxed tundra show you know they take a stretch take a bit of a yawn
i didn't ever tell you that was an easy game there folks i think so honestly i think it's a
little thing that they did with the sf putting it mid and it's a thing of last last pick
Oh
I
Think we lost both anyone but there we go tundra. That's an easy win there as XG the strats don't work out here today
Folks getting DDoS from tundra that I don't want him to reveal the strategies about how good that SF and the flock into logo was
That's it
They said absolutely no more insight from that analyst there and I can get some insight from you Quinn my one and only
That's me
Turn the show right now look XG
We thought maybe there was a little bit of something going on with that drop that they could have had a better start for themselves
But ultimately there is that support diff when it comes to
Extrusion gaming in tundra by the time the tundra didn't pick logger that they didn't pick log
Oh, and they also didn't pick white man three years ago whenever he was still a fledgling
These guys are, Waiman and Ari, genuinely are actually too good.
We'll see you in some clips later, but they are legitimately nuts.
They're always making the moves in the right place, is ganking the right heroes, and carrying the game apart.
And I think you see it in almost every game they play against any team.
The enemy team supports are just not on the same page on the tempo they bring, the moves they bring.
It's always right place, right time.
They are the best two supports in the world, and I don't think it's even close right now.
right now as an individually like white months the best five are is the best
four or just saying as a duo the best five and four because people were saying
that when it was white months and stuff stuff it might just be a him saying I
mean I'm gay hate oh okay I'm definitely not a white monitor or a
radiator now yeah I know you did say thank you so I'll take a step back I'll
say why month I think people give him flowers but I I don't think it's
it's it is hard for it to be enough like we interviewed him a change you up to
the one one of their series and he said yes with something about the early
game is responsible as we kind of just go to the places we can pressure and I
think that shows in the way they play they're very very good the best at
identifying who can we kill who can we pressure and they spend their time so
incredibly effectively there's no dead time where they spent wasting pulling
or stacking camps and they shouldn't be if they can be aggressive they are
and if they can't then sure they'll stack in the play the economy game
and we all know Tundra is fully capable of that.
But to be honest, I think the three core players
could have been AI this game,
and they would have still won this game
in a similar timeframe,
because the early game was just opened up so freely.
All the towers are dead.
It's just a master class, genuinely.
I feel like Ari and Pure needed to prove themselves.
They said, we lost that one Masi slot game,
but we're gonna win this one.
My goodness, didn't they?
I like the Masi, we already talked about it
when it came out in the draft.
Ari had had a previous great game on Marcy,
really effective in the early games.
This time around, they're just able to transition it
a little bit further.
They're able to get a lot more.
And I loved the early SF pick coming out from Tundra
and being like, we're just going to put it mid.
Yeah, it was a great alteration.
The Slark did very well.
He was able to just sort of chill and vibe
in his lane.
Slark's hero is very hard to kick out if he gets to that six.
So letting him get to that point
and then just be there while the rest of his team
fights and builds that Goldie worked out very, very well for them.
I like how I praised the mid just as production wants to clip on him.
But I don't really think it's that bad.
They forced these reactions and they're getting active and they're making kills
happen. Like you can see all of these moments.
There's some reactions and some turnaround,
but I think they're always getting something.
They're forcing reactions and in all of these, what's not showing is the
fact that 33 is farming in the meantime or that other core is farming in the
meantime, right? There's, there's stuff happening.
And I think it's just Tundra, they really showed that they were clearly the better team here.
It was not that close. I was coping a little bit in the draft like,
I Xtreme can do it. They've got this and they've got that.
You can't say that in hindsight.
I mean, that feels bad, man.
What feels bad?
To be like, well, I was just kind of lying at my house there and they had no chance.
It's manifesting, right? You have to will it into existence.
I was trying with all of my three brain cells rubbing them together.
Don't make Largo win XG, if anyone could do it Largo can make the game.
Largo is not the worst tier, he's okay, he can win a game on any role ever.
I love him, I love frogs.
Buff him more, please Val will give Largo more buffs.
It's like crossing my fingers, like if it's actually gonna happen.
That's like you're lying, you can't, that's, you jinxed it.
No, don't you do that when you, like, when you want something to happen, fingers crossed?
Oh sure, but also like this, the thing is a kid where like,
somehow if you like lie but you cross your finger,
I think tundra gonna win Blossom and then you have your fingers crossed behind your back. That's different
This is maybe like place. Okay. I believe that okay cool. Anyway, what we're talking about
We're talking about tundra. Oh you're lying through your teeth right about extreme gaming having a good draft
I think one of the things it's being about the draft
I think one of the things that tundra does better than anyone and they sort of developed a meta of this of their own is
They the five pick on 16 17 so that specific slot in the draft
They have they build a certain hero or a couple heroes in every meta that is really really dominant and a great counter pick on that phase
In the past it was the Chen and the Enchantress
They would have this Chen pick waiting in the back pocket
And if you ever showed a certain support there are a certain off lane
They would slam you with this five to where you now just can't win the lane anymore
And I think that's become Phoenix for them in this patch where when they see this
What is it called brewmaster or some of these heroes that Phoenix is good against these melee dudes
that he's allowed to burn down. Suddenly the Phoenix drops down from the sky like a big gigantic hammer
and closes that door that now you can't win the offland against them anymore. They get that free lane
for pure and he gets to be that aggressive psycho that he wants to be in the game and I think
that ability that Tundra has to find those openings in the draft and he's very unique to
them and something that other teams need to learn from. Yeah, I don't really have anything
more to add on to that. I also got really distracted by the fact that out of every analogy
you could have used about phoenix coming out of the sky you used a hammer
i like hammers what
let's talk about our next match up instead because i really don't want to you know
harsh any vibes for xg out there it was just one best of three out of 11 that they have and
or will continue to play here because there is still so much more movement that can happen
for tundra the movement isn't really looking like it can be too drastic for themselves they're
They're doing really well now with how many wins six wins. I believe it is up there for them now
Let me double check one loss. I know that seven seven wins now and one lost for themselves
Another team that is pretty close to that. I would say because well numbers don't really lie is Navi
They've got five wins for themselves and three losses
So, you know a couple extra losses for themselves
We're still really looking good and they're coming up against game a legion who you haven't had a chance to talk about
I think that's day one when
they beat falcons. That's
right. And a boys. Let's go.
Hoorah. I mean, I got a I got a
rep SCA. I got to get happy
with them, so I can't do it
Friday too. So that's fair. I
think game religion is. They
are not the best in here, but
they're also not the worst
in here. And I think that
you're doing very good
up in a I think I did.
We've been bad for so long.
You got to be realistic and
you got to just accept
reality really. They are a
team that I think has
potential. We've mentioned
and their own right have some credence to them.
I think Speed is a player that's improved a lot over the years.
He's on cam right now.
And I think he has become a pretty solid five player.
He's got a pretty decent rank playing on EU pubs on ping.
He looks pretty good in a lot of their games
and I think has improved a lot over the past years.
And I think a lot of their players have been improved on an individual basis.
I think the problem is you're going against the players
who are also sort of on that improvement,
young gun trajectory arc as well.
But I think Navi has just done it a little bit better.
I think their players are a little bit better on an individual basis.
And I also think that their strategies are a little crazy,
but I think there's more of a method to the madness sometimes,
even though it's a little hipster and a little zany,
whereas I look at game religion
and I feel like they don't have an identity so much.
Like Navi has an identity to them, whereas game religion,
they kind of just pick things and it's like a hodgepodge soup
and it doesn't really look that powerful.
I would also say Navi has a lot more material to work with
when it comes to creating an identity because they like to have outside the box.
They also love to do very standard traditional things,
and that's where we found that consistency is where they do stick a little bit more towards the meta.
It looks really good when they change one factor.
It still looks really good when they get to the two or three kind of hips to pick.
That's where it doesn't.
But yeah, for them, it is almost this plethora of material to be able to find an identity.
And for game allegiance, I haven't really seen that as much.
of course, they have something that works for themselves.
They wouldn't be three and four if there wasn't something that works for them,
but it just doesn't feel like there is as many rabbits to pull out of the hat.
Yeah. And I think I'm totally honest.
I think the biggest differential in the series is the carry difference.
I think God, the juice has really been a standout that he's looked really,
really good in a lot of these past tournaments.
I think he's been an amazing player and someone who's, you know,
sort of contesting that, that top tier of carry player.
Whereas I look at Jamsen and I think this team has had a hard time
finding a hero pool that works for him. Sometimes he's playing the hard
Sometimes he's playing the spacemakers and I think that flipping back and forth between the two is not something that a lot of people can do successfully
And I think he's also someone that to be honest on an individual skill base
It's not at the same level about the juice
And so I think game religion will need to have a great strategy here and going this game as a team and abuse
Ideas on an overarching level and be cohesive to beat Navi because I think Navi has the individual skill edge on them
Yeah, I thought you're gonna say mid because that's normally what you you like to be like
That's where the skill difference, but I fully agree that the carry difference everything that you said there
And I want to highlight it a little bit with the Navi mouse series that happened yesterday
Just how good
Got the juice really was because I said earlier
He kind of won V8 it and I have to say that because his Phoenix really helped heal him up with the Sunray
But ultimately he was at 31 K net worth and the next closest core towards him was the pocketies team at
27 so the enemy team literally had nothing master nothing going for him
He was playing on a whole nother level when it comes to a carry player
But also is that wind ranger it was just amazing and that's something that
Game a legion are gonna have to be aware of what exactly is not
We're gonna be able to get themselves to got the juice
if that Windranger even stays in the pool as a draft is already and we're going to jump on into it.
There was a big question marks around to both of these teams.
Now, V5 and 3 is down to the fact that they've had, quote, unquote, easier opponents for
them.
Gamer Legion maybe coming up against some of the bigger dogs and getting the wins, leaving
them on a 3 and 4.
Either way, a lot of new upcomers when it comes to the Dota scene right now, playing
in this best of one.
And so we do wonder what is going to be banned out, if there's going to be some
niche picks, but looking at it, not really.
You can't just go into it by far, Shryant, SF, Razor, and Batrider.
That feels nothing that is team specific at all,
and purely what has been dominating either scrims or pops.
I would agree with all of that outside of the storm.
I think after that day one performance by RCY,
I think almost everyone has been first base banning Storm since then.
And I think that's a drafting thing that you need enough heroes, right?
Game Religion show, their storm is dominant. They can beat the best of teams with the storm.
But do they have more heroes like that?
And that's why you need a deeper roster of around four heroes that are that level of if we have this hero
We're gonna win and it doesn't feel like they necessarily have that centaur
It's a good hero against shadow demon and I think fade also in that you know game that first day against falcons showed
Hey, I'm up to the top level on this hero. This is an amazing wave shenanigans and just played a very solid game
You've got the stampede against the purge
So one of the few spells that actually helps you stay alive against that insanely obnoxious spell
But is it the same level of the storm spirit?
Well, I'll see.
Well, as we're seeing a couple more bands as well there,
Abaddon now taking out.
The Storm Spirit had two good successes, right?
It wasn't just against Falcons that R.C.Y. really popped off.
He also, like, decimated her rowing with the Storm Spirit too.
So, it's enough of a hero pool,
but I always laugh to some degree in an ironic way, right?
When you see, like, BGM and Volka get let through so often,
And then it's like this new youngster, R.C.Y.
It is like, no, we have to target him.
We have to take that out of the pool.
It's like, okay, all right, first.
It's, yeah, it's, I think it's both respect
and it's also sort of calling his bluff
that like, are you a one trick?
Because you are sending it.
Yeah, exactly.
And I think that happens in a lot of these tournaments.
You'll see a player who's just absolutely tearing it up
on this hero and people will realize,
you know, what is his second and third string?
And you think about R.C.Y.
His second and third string are Ember and Voids
because he's very much a spirit player.
But those heroes, I think, are more prone to being counterpicked.
And also, they function a little bit differently.
Storm is more of that direct catch,
whereas those heroes are more sort of skirmish in and out.
And for whatever reason, it appears they function better
in the way game of Legion drafts compared to
the way those sort of second string heroes do.
And no storm for him in this game.
They're taking a lot longer on these second phase bans.
It's a bit interesting that they rattle off
the first phase ones so quickly
and then using a lot longer on the second phase ones.
Time management is something that isn't talked about that much, but different teams allocate different amounts of time to different sort of phases of the draft.
And it's not something that's set in stone a lot, but I know, for instance, on us on the old team, we would burn a ton of our time on the bands and the early picks.
It was a consistent problem we had.
And so I wonder for these teams or even some of like, you know, the Tundras or the best teams, what types of things do they burn their time on?
For Navi, it appears to be those second phase bands.
Yeah, it was a little bit of thinking, especially to ultimately come out with the ABBA and Warlock as their bands,
Game of Legion, definitely knowing they're as much time used to take out the Ursa for themselves.
And so maybe it's now going to be more time spent on how they want to open their second phase with if it's not already clear-cut.
Yeah, I think while these Abaddon and Warlock bands may seem a bit generic, I think they're actually pretty directed towards Game of Legion.
Oh, I think they're very directed.
Yeah, I definitely agree.
I think this this warlock for speed has been another hero. They rely on quite a bit, right?
And I think that comes down to, you know, once again, Navi having pretty good targeted bands
I'd say focusing what game religion really likes the things they've had success with throughout this tournament. It's hard to
To overstate how valuable that is just looking at people's past few games and saying what have they been winning with?
And then oftentimes just banning those heroes ends up being the best strategy
in a lot of cases as simple as sort of
almost as rudimentary as that sounds you kind of what do they win with and
those heroes well that that's yeah literally what now have you done right
because they won twice with the storm spirit they've won a game with the viper
as well so it's one of the few teams that has been able to win with logo although
I don't really see it necessarily fitting into game allegiance dropped right
now yeah it would be I would be a bit surprised if they were to take logo
here would not make very much sense I also don't think it's much of a
I'll be picking her off, but every time I say Largo's not going to play 4, I get to pick 4 immediately afterwards, so here comes the frog.
Well, I will say Big Nym has played with J'Kiru in the past, they picked it up in the past.
He does like Dr. Lilithy. That's what to say, Speedo is that he can't play J'Kiru every position 5 I feel in the universe can play J'Kiru.
But it could as well just, sorry, could just as easily be Big Nym's here too.
Oh, with a Grimstroke! Oh my goodness!
This is cool.
This is fantastic.
super cool. It's not something we see very often and it's also a bit interesting to pick it here
specifically because I wouldn't say it's necessarily amazing versus either one of these heroes. Now he
is great with Dragonite. You've got the stone into stone combo. The ball gets hard to get off whenever
you're stunned. Obviously you're seeing it re-silenced and it's a hero that CUI in particular
really, really loves. He used to play mid-groom stroke all the time, was always pushing and
advocating for the hero to be picked. So when I see this hero picked by Navi, I'm like,
yeah, I think that's a little bit of the CUI influence, trying to push this hero. I know
They've been screaming a lot and practicing a lot. So potentially something they've tried a decent amount
But the dragonite is a hero that we haven't seen as much recently, but is a we saw it did see it last game
From the middle of yesterday to today. We've seen a lot of picked up a little bit. Yeah, because of the beginning of the
Yeah, it was not
Why did you love it? I miss her what you said. Sorry. Okay. Hey, Joe
Okay. Anyway, Dragonite, good against Centaur. You hit him, you reduce his armor,
Centaur's low armor, you take the poison, whack, whack, whack.
I want to go back to the Grimstroke, actually.
Yeah, go back.
We're going to shove the Dragonite for a little bit.
It has been played once already by Navi, and they go to win with it.
So it's really backing up. We're just saying, see why he loves it.
Clearly, they've been working with it in Scrims,
and it's been working competitively for themselves as well.
Now that was against the Reconyx
So what weight you want to put on it? That's up to you. I won't put words in anyone's mouths
Yeah, no, just no definitely not leading the witness here at all
No, no, just giving all the information
Yeah, of course now Reconyx may have played it and they lost in four minutes, but you know
Don't don't know why to say. Yeah
I'm not an extra leader. I am just simply giving the data not analyzing it. That's right. There's no
So there's no judgment thing right here.
Well, the clink is not seeing anyone air as much
competitive play since the change.
How long ago was it now?
12 days, 13 days?
I'm just going to say two weeks.
Let's just round up the two weeks.
I like that.
So we're going to round up the two weeks.
It had a bit of a change two weeks ago.
So it's not seeing as much competitive play as prior
to that, where it felt like first base band, first
base pick.
It felt just literally unbeatable to some degree.
This time around now, it's struggling a lot more
in the earlier parts of the game,
still getting a few wins for himself.
Yeah, it's definitely Hero that has a lot of potential,
and this is a very powerful lane, G-Hero, Clinkz.
It's one of those spamming, non-stop hitting lanes.
I think it's actually really interesting
they pick the Ember Spirit here.
They're not gonna see the mid until the end of the draft,
so they aren't gonna be able to counter-pick that lane,
but they do see the Clinkz,
and they've decided that we have enough options here
that we're gonna save our offline for last pick,
even though they're gonna ban two heroes.
We still have a third option,
and that's something you always have to consider
going into that last phase of the draft is how many options do you have for each hero?
That magical three number is what you want.
Unless you've got some sneaky hero that you know isn't going to be banned.
In this case, PMA, clearly he's got those three options because they pick the Ember first,
they feel like it's more important, they don't have good replacements for that compared
to the offline they have options for.
I think that's somewhat interesting and it is a pretty good Ember game and a
hero that pairs very well with Grimstroke and Shattered Demon.
With these two heroes you need multiple melee heroes on your draft or these
guys will be too backline, they'll be too scared, and especially against the clinks,
you need someone who's going to protect your supports against this nightmare pick-off hero.
I think there's so many good, like Offlane is left in the pool that you're trying to describe
there, if it's just someone that really likes to sit in front, maybe Aura is not necessarily,
but at least someone that likes to cause mayhem. There's still Underlord,
which has been doing surprisingly well, Tide we've obviously seen a little bit
more today as well, that's still in the pool there, and yeah, I don't know,
I think there's just a lot more to think about. I also do want to correct myself,
with the clinks I said he's been getting a few wins he's 100% win rate right now so six out of six
games here's one but that is of course at the caveat he's being picked more situationally compared to
that uh small small nerf big nerf how do you want to coin it medium medium medium to small medium
just medium yeah my bad sorry for trying to describe it any other way no well it's always
a lot of forgive and forget you know that's what friends do yeah I'll submit the formal apology
You laid a hand on it and look on the look taken out.
Yeah, you mentioned it before.
And I think it's a great ban.
It's a hero that is, I think, is he lossless right now?
Eight and zero or something like that?
You want me to look?
Yeah.
I'm looking.
Look at him.
Still looking.
But I think the hero is very, very powerful and a hero
that Navi utilized yesterday.
So winning on the B stream a little bit too,
I think it's a great hero.
And I think it's a good ban any time you really
go into those later phases.
Seven and one.
Seven and one.
OK.
Seven and one.
Still a very, very good boy.
They'll go for this Slardar.
That is pretty bad against J'Kiro,
but it is very good against Clinks.
It's a hero that hates buying Manta.
He's very much about sneaking around
and just bursting people.
Whereas Slardar, it's a hero that Clinks cannot burst.
You can run away and you have very high armor.
And on top of that, Slardar is just good
against any hero that doesn't buy the spells naturally.
Clinks obviously is gonna hate Manta
because he's not the kind of hero
that's gonna stand there and right click in that way.
He can just buy more damage items.
He doesn't have enough innate damage
to buy more of those stat items.
And so, Slaughter is gonna work really, really well against him.
Pretty much all faces of the game, even the early game,
that HP regen and armor are coming into play
to survive that lane.
David Legion's last pick going towards our CY,
and we already talked about it.
People kind of trying to call that bluff of a newer player,
how much is left in the tank
when we take out what you've succeeded with.
The Viper, the stolen spirit taken out,
the end that picked up for himself is well bet.
And then Huff's beast,
which feel maybe a little bit more cheesy
when it comes to Lane's God, which Monkey King is now the option for himself that he feels
most comfortable with.
Yeah, this is a bold pick, but I like it.
I think when you see an Ember spirit, it's always been the dichotomy with this hero is,
do you just pick something to survive in Lane and then Ember is a really strong force in
the game, or do you take something that is a little more volatile, a little more risky
like a Monkey King and you try to stop him in Lane.
And I think for this game, it makes sense to try to run him over in the lane.
They've got two supports who if the map starts falling apart if their cores aren't strong
They don't have anyone to help and they can't actually get those fights going
And so I think this monkey King is a really cool choice
And it's a lane that can go extremely well for him and he can thumbs through this ember
So there's a lot on I think RCY shoulders to prove
Hey, I can play this hero to a high level because it is a very skill dependent hero
I was gonna say I was ready to that caveat because you like this link go extremely well for him
And you normally follow it up with but it can also go extremely bad
I can't go back it can go middle and that's the problem medium. I would say medium
I'm a medium rare sort of man, but medium is okay, too
I think the monkey king that the real problem is middle of the road is not good enough for monkey king
It's a hero that needs to snowball
He needs to be ahead he needs those kills and I think any game that hero is in he's gonna be the focal point for the game
Does he win this landing at Ember or the support rotation is good
Can they enable him to keep getting those kills that keep getting the snowball running because they've got monkey king and clink
it's two fighters, right? And I think that that tempo is very, very important for game
religion. Something else you mentioned before this draft went underway is you were interested in
how the difference in skill and obviously play style is going to beat for the carry players.
Now got the juices on a dragon act, something that has been garnering a little bit more of the
eyes that everyone has been picking up for themselves. Clinks obviously we talked about
the nurse there, but where do you think it lays on a carry to carry quarter call matchup?
I think Dragonite's in a really good spot.
It's a very good Dragonite game across the board.
So I think if got the juices is locked in,
if he gets that good start, which I think he will,
he's got a very free lane for himself,
then Game Religion needs that tempo
because I think it is DK will be the boss of the game
if it gets to that 35-minute mark
and Game Religion doesn't have that tempo advantage.
Well, that's the only things I need to hear.
I don't need any more information to know that Navi,
they've got this in the bag.
In fact, I'm not even sure if we need to play this one out,
but for the sake of the viewers, we will.
Let's get on into the best of one. It's Navi up against Gameligion
Here we go ladies and gentlemen time to get into the action here between Gameligion and Navi
Falked, what do you make of this one? That last pick up of three
We're getting this monkey king match up against the Ember in the mid
Is this monkey King gonna be able to dominate the lane and pop off?
I think he has to to be honest with you. I do really like the approach that Navi's got
I've actually been quite impressive game religion, especially R. C. Why we do have to give them big highlights as they were on the panel as well
too
But I just I think not be got a lot of what they wanted this game
It's these two take three heroes that can essentially jump onto a potentially squishy clink's if he doesn't have a good game
And they're gonna have that corrosive. Hey, so the clue was mentioning
I'm really glad they talked about the lack of dispelled because clink's you don't really deviate right you literally
go faculty, treads, deso, almost every single time, especially nowadays. So, yeah, this,
this corrosive wave is in particular the chains. There's a lot of spells that can really trip
him up. And then for the monkey king, wait a second, get the setup on a big none, get
away with the shadow realm. Nobody will go down.
Okay. So for the, for the monkey king also, the reason why I'm feeling a little
worried, at least for the side of the game, which I really want to see him stop is he's playing at the
Shadow Demon too. And Demonic Purch just kind of ruins Monkey King in a lot of situations,
you can't build up your jengus, keeps you locked in place, you have ways to work around it with
your Wukong, change the guard but I want to see R.C.Y kind of stop and set the pace of this
game where I'm a bit worried. Let's see how much of an issue he can give Niku in this
match up a monkey king against the ember. Look at the side lanes.
The nominal on the centaur, with big enough on the willow. I think this is their other
best duo that they've had working together. The stampede plus the bad lung is actually
pretty potent. Pretty cool combo. Yeah that's very true. A lot of damage you get, great
positioning for the willow to get aggressive. And then so obviously with Na'Vi's side
of things, this Grim coming out of the draw quite early. What did you think they
were looking for with that? Now that the drops have been rounded up, do you sort
Let's see what they were going for with the grim pick this game.
Not fully. No, I think it is what Quinn was talking about.
How it's a lot of a, you know, see why factor where he just really,
really likes to hero and perhaps they do want to try it in some of these
situations and they saw the centaur, right?
So I think that's probably, I guess the other one.
They just wanted to have this potential hard bound ability to
leash them together and then they do at least have a combo with it.
Right?
They do at least have the dragon tail.
So maybe they did have a little bit of preparation with the drop for it.
I'm always happy to see Grim. I don't know. This hero can't feel extremely weak in a lot of situations, but if it's in the right game, he can hold.
There's a good damage here. Coming out for the turn, the monster fade. Fade, getting bought very low.
And we're hit. He'll be fine.
You definitely see the potential there for the two of them, Riddies, and got the juice on this DK, Grim, safe lane, Con light.
Riddies was looking for the angle for the stroke, almost as if he was able to land it there.
I'm always I'm always cool to see room. Yeah, there's some you know, jikiro can double hit the phantom
I was talking about that one. There's some things that can maybe you know counter this hero, but
Super fun here to watch always some cool potential
Let's learn so far
Connection on towards big numbshell a room comes to an end
But again not quite having that extra little bit needed to take the kill so big numb will survive
In the middle a matchup, you know short pressures there onto Niku
I see why he's got the lead but Niku still able to find something from this lane so far
Yeah, he's got something boots are up though now on the monkey K and Niku. He didn't go for the boots build
I've seen some some of the embers spirits go for boots rather than the bottle when you're playing this matchup
And you pull waves that's with the mountain approach, but you can explain the length
He's also the Flameguard build since there's no way to break it.
Let's see if this approach works for him.
Is there an RCY? He's doing as. Monkey Kings would like to do versus the Embersprayers they should do.
He might be able to trap Niku here. In fact, he might just have to kill one more hit.
He's got it! First clutch! Goes the way of RCY! Niku doesn't respect the power of the Monkey King there, and he'll pay for it.
I was, I mean that was a, that was a kind of a Niku death, I'll be honest with you.
He does this sometimes where he overplaces hand and does have a little bit of a random
one.
That hurts a lot.
The RCY now is truly set up for success.
Gonna have treads pretty much done super early here.
And Niku gonna continue against those.
He did not go for the boots.
He went for the bottle.
I don't know if their lanes aren't doing good. I don't know if they really want to. Bottom is tough, it's double spam, you know, Jikiro plus Klingz is a dirty lane of constant aggression. Top lane, it's tough to always bully out of Centaur even though they had that good attempt to start, so, you know, all three lanes.
Yeah, I believe in it.
Hey, what's going on with these teams still picking planks?
So when you look at the previous patches,
was this hero just not nerfed enough, do you think?
Or do you think the hero is in an okay spot right now?
I think the hero is in a good spot.
I think it was absolutely broken, completely busted in every possible way.
Now it's a fair balance carry, yeah.
It's just a lot easier than you ever expect.
expect it's like it's like a squishy clink but it's never a squishy clink because he's got this death
pack he's got all these other things he's got tools to move in and out of fights and then there's
this crap on the floor any heroes that make you know things on the floor are just obnoxious especially
when it scales guys and that's kind of rough i guess this game right because you look at
navi's lineup it's not like they have some like uh high attack speed core or support nothing
there's going to be able to clear up the skeletons when they're out.
No, not quite. It's more about their style is about them jumping first and
protecting their back lines. The DK and Versailles are finding some of these
like squishier, more fragile heroes and just popping them. It could happen,
but yeah, right now with this late start this is as good as you could ask for.
34-15, 32-11, 23-4, everyone's doing it. Fantastic.
And now they can start rotating since that Centaur is free to just sit up
there can look to move around the
kingdom and he could play safe.
I think he said something could be
happening here. His power could be in
trouble and swinging the two supports
that these supports really do thrive
on how well the cores are doing.
If you could not be able to be that
body that you problematic bottom.
Riddies.
And he's caught in the corner here.
As the game of legion will be able to get the kill,
should be able to hold position low,
especially when you see the TP over.
From speed towards the mid here, around the six minute power in.
Well, end up being top.
Niku.
Gonna go straight for Niku.
They've got both supports here to help out.
Brownbles are gonna be off the mark,
but it shouldn't matter.
They've got enough damage just coming in from the right.
Fixed a bar C wide to bring Niku down again.
Big problems here. Miku struggling XIAS, looking for a potential kill here.
Can't go for it. No backup.
This early game can really snowball.
R.C.Y. looking for more with the Arcane Rune can't find the SD,
but could look to contest for that wisdom, the old-school rotation
that we used to see from the Monkey Kings.
Get that level 6 online early, get the advantage,
and just deny away that stride from the supports who are already struggling.
See if R.C.Y. wants to do that.
Now this is going to be just some slow jungling from Niku.
Has of course at least got the three points in the playing guard.
Just trying to scramble his way towards that level six.
And still a fair way to go until he has it.
He's got Wukong's end of jingle already built up.
Now he's going to go for it.
Sure will.
We'll go for the setup and PMA has to run.
Can't stick around.
It's going to be both Shrine of Wisdoms going to game Elysian.
It's a pretty perfect 7 minutes right now from the side of Gamer Legion.
DK's farming but it's to be expected and he's still lingering in the area.
He is, he might find a chance for a killer, RCY.
Go for Xayahs.
Jingu builds up, it's going to be Xayahs going down, another kill for RCY.
Love how he's playing, love this little casual order of Frost 2 after the Treads
go to the Diffusal, continue to look for that aggression and Top Face 2 tanky.
Yeah, they try to go for him, but Rzy's ready to sort of threaten with the TP.
So they won't push on for the kill, they won't be able to get any sort of action up on that top lane.
You know, we're coming up to 8 minutes in, there's already 3k gold behind Na'Vi.
And I imagine the XP is probably a similar situation with the way the Shrine of Wisdom's have gone.
3k gold lead, shut down the core, set down two of the melee cores,
then ideally they want to look at the play around.
And you?
He's got a remnant now, so he'll be alright.
Okay.
But no rune.
You need to be, these guys got a haste, so you can just sort of chase Niku down for a little bit.
Disruption will hold R.C.Y. back.
But Niku can't do anything to help out Zayac.
It's gonna be another kill for R.C.Y.
They're owning.
It's game starting to get out of control very early on, here.
We did see them do this yesterday. They won a game in 15 minutes.
I mean, that one was...
Beckett was over at, she had like the 5-minute mark.
To be completely honest with you last night.
They killed just safely and like, I don't even know, 5 times on the case.
This is... I mean, right now it's reminiscent. The DK's doing well, but the mid tower's about to fall.
Bottom tower's dead.
Gonna be some limited moves, because as you know, Quinn was saying, and we were talking about the supports in this game for Navi,
they're really about how good the core is doing, because they're all about enabling.
Either the Grimstroke or the SD, they don't really provide that damage. It's all about the cores.
Really heads up stuff right now. Love how aggressive they're playing.
It's stacking. Biglum's got those stacks ready for the centaur too.
Let's see what they think of you something, mate.
Look at the silence. The chains. Tiki's coming in back up there from speed. Stampede not gonna be enough to save RC White.
They've got the lock down from Na'Vi. They'll be able to get their first kill on the board.
Honestly, that's what you have to do. You bring four even to Slaughter, screw it.
With the way that this game is going at the moment, you gotta get something on the board for yourself to enable Niku.
So bringing the two supports to rally around the ember maybe what they just have to do
Just stack a little bit with the SD and the Grim because that's what they're very good at and then just stay near that ember
To try to salvage a little bit of this early game
But these timings are gonna be fast on
The Amson's gonna have you've got complete free farm complete freedom no one to be able to get down to contest them
That guy's got that Dominator.
That's looking very good.
I'm in the power room, it's going to be a nice one for Neku, we'll find an Amplified
Damage.
Support's not quite 6, Riddies, level 5, at least he's got decent levels.
The Shadow Demon though, still a good ways away from Demonic Purge which is very good
this game as we were mentioning before at least versus the monkey king, not versus the pedophiles.
A bit more difficult to go for the setup on the Niko this time round. The Niko's got back up,
the Niko's actually going to be the first to strike. He makes the jump straight in onto speed
under the tower. Nicely done. Yeah, just sitting around him mid. Just keep these two
supports, getting that jungle and going for the slaughter and DK. Sure it's not the most
efficient for the Slaughter particularly but it's better than dying. Scott that level six
now finished up to and the mask of madness the farming item produced. Gonna be a bit
of farming for Navi to catch up, at least on these side laners but we'll see what Niko
can do now that he's gotten opened up a little bit here.
See one on the top or fourth? Down some swinging across to bring in the pressure.
Speed will return to the mid, let's now get the level six online.
much more for you two ones. I'll see why I'm big number on a bit of a hunt there. I'll
just be able to just deny the ward from Navi. It's a little economy game there. Holding
on to the mid, longer than I expected, I thought this mid tower is gonna die three
minutes ago. Gotta be honest with you in a minute. So Niku and the two supports
at least hanging on to that one there getting that space this timings are going to be very
fast yamsen desolates is just about 400 or so gold off the fusel for rcy also just a few
hundred gold away so once the two cores have that really going to be a test for navi to
see if they can deal with this pretty explosive damage output from the mid and the carry
very early on in this game.
These supports had better be ready with those sentries in very good positions
because these clings can literally just walk to the back line
potentially and kill them in seconds.
So they have to be really on top of their game
because of this deficit that they have.
And yeah, the Deso, he's got it.
And they're even going to pick them up with that Deso off this timing.
Or at least it looked like they were, I guess not.
I thought they would actually bring him into the smoke
and maybe look for, got the juice, but not the case right now at least.
Maybe because the wave is showing, he doesn't want to keep it away.
The two supports do a lot of damage. They have macro fire, they have badlam.
They're trying to, ooooh! They're trying to have any way to stop it!
Rambles was already used, they didn't have point in ice path yet, so he'll get out at the same time over in the mid.
Another strike from Niku and the two supports to take down RCY.
Sometimes the problem with this build, I was actually going to point out that he did go 2-0-3 on that Shakiro too,
They did go for the 3-2 on the Willow.
Not that you can cast Chris Brown when the TP starts anyway, but that's pretty big.
They show both supports.
They continue to play around Niko in the mid lane.
They've recovered his game.
He is the same net worth as the mother team now.
And this is definitely a bit of a worry for Game of Legion.
They had that pretty solid start.
They're like a 3k gold lead very early on.
They end up losing their tier 1 mid first.
Now if you make some good measures to really just get back into this game and take away that entire lead the game
Allegiant had early on
Yeah, honestly a bit surprising that they didn't look to play more around the monkey king or around these strong
Chorus on the side of game religion in these last few moments
You kind of gave me through the opportunity to get completely back. I cannot believe that he's
That is outrageous the way that they've actually been able to enable him the gold is gone
So, Big N' Miss considering if he can get away with the wisdom steal.
Kind of hard for a shout of him if he can just disrupt you, but...
Could be so annoying.
Who is Aniku?
I'm making the move here with the Simva's rune.
Oh, man, it looks like they know where Yampson might be.
They're drawing the line right on top of him.
It'd be a huge catch if they can find the clings and kill him.
He's chasing down PMA, but they're cooking connection.
The silence into the chains, the field will come in onto the three of them, giving a bit of safety for Jampson.
And with the staff being just enough to allow Jampson to live, the tower of the Huston down onto PMA, bringing down the Slardar.
Double kill for Bignum, RCY ready to chase down Niku, he's got Remnant to play with him, but that was the last one.
They'll have changed to momentarily hold back RCY, but Niku now out of mana, out of options.
They'll chase him finish him off with the boundless
They turned that around nicely they needed to do so as well there because that looked very close to being not be finding the chance
To burst Jamsen, but they couldn't quite massive fear coming here and big numb
Yeah, perfect. Honestly all three of them. I believe he catches right? Yep. He does. Yeah, perfect
And then the stampede right afterwards. He's got the fairy fire the Lotus all the little things kicking in to keep Jamsen up
That was really well executed to keep him alive
Juice though is the top of the network so he's got that arm it the mask and man it's the blink as we said the power
About this not be trapped. It's the way that they can collapse on top of heroes
So still have to watch how they can protect the clink says we saw there great job doing so
Have to be able to do it again and again because they are gonna jump on top of him with potentially all three
cores a lot of times
That's blinked on, so blinked on for PMA I think, the link's about to be done for juice.
They do have some of these core items finished up to be able to still look to fight back.
On the side of Gamer Legion, they can absolutely look to get these fights going with this
diffuser on the 1st game.
Maybe they wait for the Crimson though, because this Crimson could block.
Honestly majority of the damage from Navi, if Fade gets this before the fight, Navi
he's limited on that magical
spike time for Navi they're gonna try again here
out of their eyes on big enough and up the shadow round just the stampede trying
to help get him out of this one he's gonna make the mark for it but no further
way to escape can't get the fear off in time as the crush comes in
Well, so off to the side, Niku having his eyes on Faye, but on his own Niku will not be able to threaten the Sen Tor.
I'm kind of surprised they used the Stampede there to try to save the...
I thought they'd like, if Stampede is like only to save Clanks or the Monkey Game.
One of the four is in particular, right? So there's going to be a window now, it's no Stampede.
I wonder if Navi looks to punish that, because it's 70 seconds if they do want to look for one of these core potential kills.
Let's see what we can do down here.
I'll see why in the trees.
There's some pretty good info here around this ward as well.
The Amalige in no at the positioning of Na'Vi.
Oh, Na'Vi gonna be ready for this.
The Amalige are ready with the setup.
They're gonna focus but the juicer.
Catching them in the middle of the ward.
The Soulbond on the turn of them, Niku jumps forward trying to help Bapu-chu south.
Bapu-chu's will fall.
Gamily's going to take a long time to return for this, but Marci-Wine's speed had gone.
Fade also to go down. He had a heal left, and now Yamson, he's got a blood.
Niku's ready to chase him down with the remnants.
Yamson, he's going to tick down.
The Sliderfish from Niku comes in to finish him off.
They've sort of threw everything in to try and kill this Dragon Knight,
but it cost them four lives.
A rough rough one there by GamerLegion.
These last few fights been a little bit shaky for them and Na'Vi and Niku continuing to make
this recovery.
Another room for him, we'll grab the shield, we'll look at the sheavers' guard next to
the vessel.
GamerLegion back in action, see if they can catch anyone that's stuck around a little
too long.
He's gonna look for the chase down onto Riddies, they should at least get the Grim.
Oh save that though, he actually gets the stun off Riddies, now he's gonna back up the
juice, they're jumping up to Arcey White, Arcey White's in trouble.
He'll finish up the kill, Faye coming in just in time to provide him with the Crimson
and keep him safe.
The victim's gonna lose his leg for this, Faye might just go down again, Arcey
White's just gonna watch for the trees, he's gonna get his tree cut, they cut
his tree, they kill him off again.
This area of the map, proving to have pretty disastrous consequences here for Gamer Legion.
Another team fight essentially in which they're falling apart and Na'Vi going from strength
to strength.
They'll take the tier one tower here on the bottom lane.
They've really got to be so careful with these moves, Gamer Legion.
At the moment, short of God difference is a massive, but the swing, it's happening.
in favour of Na'Vi, again, Elysian going for these aggressive high-pills over the
deso into the diffusal dispersers. Jamsen's looking for the diffusal pick up first on
RCY. They're not winning these sort of fights and continue to hemorrhage kills like this.
They just lose speed again. This game's going to get very difficult for game Elysian.
I'm back. I'm not sure if you guys can hear me or not.
I can. Live and well.
We just saw it. It's two more fights in which the Navi,
they're taking these teamfight wins.
Game of Leisure to get him punished.
Is it the same they got on top of the...
I heard you saying, I was getting the radio cast,
so very nice from there, the country of RCY,
but I guess they're just fighting around these bad areas
and the Navi's getting the nuts on.
Two times around that tier one bottom really.
And they lost both fights.
So overall, what we were saying, the beginning of the game, what we were saying, the way that they can jump and collapse on these heroes on Navi, we are starting to see about that a lot of this game, as we were saying, for RCY is about the snowball, and it's really stopped.
As you said, the last two fights in particular, but the one that I saw before too, if I'm getting caught.
And yeah, we're seeing some of these items in order to try to fix things right the BKB pretty needed for us
EY and a pretty interesting pivot from Jansen wanting some type of dis belt right versus the Slaughter
He's still feels young boss. I know it's so fragile though
They're just getting so much we've got the juice he is starting to destroy them
This DK hero really can't take over. He starts to get his item timings and he really got all
of his timings. He didn't really get slowed down this game even though the mid lane,
sure, a long time ago was tough. It wasn't for DK.
And the lineup, fantastic in taking rose. Shadowed him in one of the best supports
with a menace, 62% more damage, plus Carousa phase.
I'm not BKB.
What's the plan going to be for Gamelizion now?
You've gone for these two fights, they haven't gone well.
Now, Navi's got an Aegis in their hands.
What are you looking towards?
It's got to be BKB from the Monkey King
and fight around the Crimson Guard properly from Faye,
because the Crimson can still do quite a bit of work,
what I was mentioning from earlier,
before those last two bad fights.
But they still have to be able to approach these properly and it's not easy versus triple backline jumping course
I'll be
Looking for more is that the full Shiva. It's a full Shiva's
Niko incredibly tanky and they run into the perfect hero
I really did the Amsterdam court killed off
I think that's really gonna keep cool.
He's gonna try for the setup here.
I'll see what he wants to go with the Wukong's command on towards Zayac.
And he's just doing the BKB.
He's looking for big man though.
He used the stampede to get big man out of there.
And even with the Wukong, he could barely threaten Zayac.
Zayac is perfectly fine.
They just can't get these kills, game-a-leading.
So to look at the build I got the zero in breathe fire
Stats
That's pretty well not even the one value for that
Yeah, you know see that you see at least one because it's a 30% damage reduction with 11 seconds
But zero he's not even wanting to cast a all about straight up right clicks
I think Navi really identified, you know, from early on, I'm just going to keep going back
to when they just somehow get the mid tower before the Monkey King, just not really playing
around their strength.
It felt like for Game Religion at that moment, and Navi has completely, completely come
back in this. It's beautiful. Full control now with the Shivas. And this Shivas really,
as we said, this feels like it might just be one of the items of the tournament. When
you get it really early, it just feels like it takes over the game. Not just about heal
negation or anything like that, it's attack speed slows, just hitting these backliners,
giving vision. Super obnoxious item to play against if it's gotten early.
I'll see why. What's the plan here?
I don't. But was he looking for a solo kill earlier with the Wukong?
Because it's not cooled down for 50A. I actually missed that one.
I mean, can he solo kill PMA?
No. With the Wukong, maybe, yeah. Earlier, but...
Sure.
Unlikely, though.
Maybe he feels a bit desperate, just trying to give information, moving around the map without trying to get caught.
I'm Niku.
But I was always on fade.
I was the two at the...
Oh, that's cute.
I'm gonna have to damage to bring him down. Let's fade that.
That's actually insanely cute. The Soulbind versus the Dominator.
Since this near-to-center is going to bite Dami, can't be quite right, she's pretty fucked.
Navi, you know, at the same time, they're going to look for more kills.
They're going to jump onto the enemy, we've got the juice.
And already PMN's eyes, they're looking for speed on the side-line, so they get the kill mid.
And then on the top lane, and outside in the jungle there, they're just making moves on all fronts, Navi.
Game of Legion, they're not able to deal with it.
Nah, the Game of Legion game plan is broken completely for the last 10 minutes or so,
So it feels like they really needed to get this monkey King snowball going and not stopping
You can't have this type of stagnation happen on a hero like monkey King when it's picked versus ember
You have to just completely stop little to no mistakes, you know Quinn the master himself will definitely talk about that monkey
King I'm sure a nauseam afterwards, so
But yeah, I mean I can't really I don't know how much I can blame RCY because the supports needed to play with him
To and just really push the show below while Navi they did the right thing right there
like okay we have a level three a level four support our mids having a tough time but if we play
around him we can actually get these kills versus this over level monkey king and they did that
now we just continues to grow full control limited moves for gamer legion
I mean they could look to try and poke the high ground, they've got a minute left on this
ages.
They could look to try and expand it pretty aggressively, Navi.
Yep, Daedalus is done, he's got an arcane rune on this Ember too, so he can poke and
prod and they have a catapult.
So yep, can definitely at least force.
They're gonna be here.
Basewater's in place too, so they could insta-jump.
Ah, Niku? Look at the slight change!
You've got the captain asking why I'm asking why. Look at the BKB off!
But the juice is gonna be able to kill him off very easily!
That's the monkey king, Dad!
They're ready to just continue. The clean up fade will fall.
Three dead on Gamer Legion.
Not the, yeah they really did as soon as they recovered from that little bit of an early
game hiccup with the lead the game of legion was getting against them in the landing stage
it has been all downhill for game of legion big time.
Yeah Jampson honestly not having a game somehow even though they didn't have like this really
good time he did get it okay come on that's what they said to Bobbie.
They got super fast that's so good.
I mean, they've had some of these games where they do look pretty explicit, but even though
they're on a deficit sometimes, these little plays that they can make, catch themselves
back up and, yeah, not juice.
You can say he has nothing he's afraid of.
Just standing right in a Wukong versus a Monkey King at this point.
Yeah, he kills any of them.
I've never seen that even Phageon on the center.
He just does not have that tankiness at this point.
They kill the center pretty easily.
Yeah, he's got Crimson.
You're blocking some damage.
You've got immense amount of armor, but they still do have minus armor, immense physical
damage that's just bypassing through all that plus armor that they do have.
Radiance top tower is under attack.
Yeah, I mean, Jamsun too is like this disperser.
It's cute in terms of being able to dispel these chains, these things, but I don't
really see what it does on the clink, because I've got to be honest with you.
There we go. Smoked off again, Allegiant. They need this to work. A bad spot to get.
Yeah. Look at this disperser. It's like a fourth item. I'm perfectly fine. It's just
it's a second item. This looks so odd.
Let's see where they go with this. They're going to know the navies pretty much entirely
here on this bottom lane looking for the push. They're probably just going to go for
They'll go for this sort of tween gate wraparound.
I don't know, would they actually make it in time though
with the duration of the smoke?
It's not going to come to an end.
They're in their time.
Yeah, they could have a second smoke to a re-smoke up,
but yeah, they've got to get there quickly.
It's going to take them a bit of time to walk over.
They have backline vision.
They do see both supports, but both supports do have blinks.
Let's have a look.
Can Gamelizean make the magic happen here?
They're there at the blinks.
And there's gonna be Niku kind of finding them first.
This is him with the remnant and the Sheba's guard.
I'll see why I'm up in the trees.
A focus towards Niku, but Niku's having to jump out.
The wind goes far for the remnant.
Bruce will get caught by the stun, but he's okay.
Holds them back with the chains.
There's gonna be PMA, and it does get picked off first.
Again, they can make it something, they need more though.
Can they catch Niku?
A tried to close in on him.
We'll get the chains to hold both fade.
They need this ever spirit death,
but he's still at the remnant at the ready.
jump server, but the pile this is there to stop the TP.
I'm just wondering why I'm here with this life though.
Slight change is what is the best of.
They'll stop the TP out, but it costs him his life,
and they still won't even get Niku
to spite canceling the TP.
Niku's fine.
And he runs into melee range because he has shards,
so he replenishes another for him then.
He might keep going.
He's thinking about it.
He's got five seconds until Shiva's guard's back.
Okay, well, all things considered,
at least they get something, right?
The DK form ended.
You can see you got the juices like wait a minute. Let me just keep you the hell out of here
So, you know what at least they got a little bit of something on the side of game religion, but
Yeah, so a mountain to climb in this game
It's gonna get another hit big num caught out and we'll see got the juice. He's kind of he won't be to it
Now he's got a run and fade
I can't get right there, I can't get the option to run.
The stun comes in and we'll get the Hoostump up, but Blink's gonna be there in a second.
Okay, I'll go for the TP out now that the dragon tail is used, so this will manage
to escape.
They'll get away from this big scary dragon.
The big scary dragon indeed.
Level 21, he's got Vast, look at that attack range, it's beautiful.
Let's shoot.
Not greedy shoot.
Sorry, no.
No.
Thomas is up, Navi can look to take that and then can look to bring it down the top lane.
That final tier 2 standing on Gavalesion's side of the map.
I'd really love to have the two supports in play in this game, Navi, I gotta say.
Yep, so dead.
Almost has the agonimus now finished up, at least we'll be able to deploy a good
chunk of damage at the start of everything here but they are very tanky on the side of
Navi now at this point. They're probably going to go look for that Roche. I mean they
could probably just walk into the Roche and just do it. Be fair. But might look for the
fight first. There we go. RV. Our game of lead and prepared for this one. Could be
be the final fight he's ready to go some of the jump on a fade
Dr. Jus brings in the damage fades gone that's the 3000 HP 30 armor center by the
way dead in the second 40 seconds
They're gonna have a jump on a big dog!
The bi-banks are coming out, they use both of the bi-banks straight away.
They look towards Dr.Giz, but the DKB comes out.
Same to be said for the PMA.
What the DKB and Rogue, Dr.Giz goes to the DKB TP.
So does PMA, they both escape.
Soon as those bi-banks are out, they're getting out of there.
Riddies also goes to go to the TP, Niku.
They'll sort of be left behind, but he's got remnants of the ready.
They saw out from the last time they tried to chase him.
It didn't work out too well.
so he should just be able to walk away for free.
They play it safe there, Navi.
They get the two buybacks.
Immediately, they're ruled out of that.
Yeah, super smart players.
As soon as they're packed,
they know that there's no BKB piercing disabled,
so they just save those to BKB keep you out.
And now, they can go back to that rush.
That's a really cool play there,
because they could have just done the safe play,
right, just kill the rush,
and then go for this play,
but instead, they force some type of move.
Now they can go back for that rush.
Immreligion.
Do they even want to make their way out there? It's dangerous. You don't know the word coverage that's over there
You just give a free initiation
And as Niku they'll give him a level 20 he's got it off that creep wave mid a minus of desperation for our CY. Uh-oh
So is there
What is a tough one?
The best one has the panacea kills.
Yeah, well that really is.
It's not what you want to see at 33 minutes being picked up by a mid monkey king.
No, I don't think you ever listen. You might as well pick up by a monkey king.
That's probably a full stop, yeah.
Not a good shot. Not a good serve for the game, Elegant.
It's tough one.
Once you sit back and farm, I would say most situations are very aggressive based hero.
Like some posture and push the limits but this game
Javi was ready to go play this game. Pushed Aegis, he'll give it to Niku.
I don't think they, I don't think God the juice feels like he's gonna be able to die.
Now honestly, I feel like there could have been a chance to give it a PMA because last few fights Niku,
it's not like he's been dying either. The Samus Brits are pretty destructible.
He's got the streak right, Niku's guard like, so that's also another case too.
Doesn't get slide off, we'll get the chain connection.
Oh, the rest of the team has to watch.
We'll catch up and see why he is dead without buyback.
He's gone.
I looked for some sort of setup on T'Niku, but they still don't want to throw everything
on him, because they know he won't kill him, and even if he does, he's going to be back
for round two.
The Aegis.
30 seconds on dragon form.
Is it just me that sees this guy?
Yeah, it is.
Okay.
My DK's completely naked, by the way.
He's just purple.
It's just purple hand floating.
my screen it looks super
Trying to take it down once for reference at the ready. He's just out of that
The chart planes gonna start get four and like up the juice
Ready to take the chart from the Grim so even if one of these stuns connects on to him
Just pops it on to against a little misspell
Eco's career is dead so I can't pick up his full axe, but still looking for the place.
Dang he's in.
Gets the catch on his speed.
Here is a trouble.
They used the stampede to try and help reset, get in position.
Fade gets the Hustl, Boney on desire.
PMA on top of Fade.
They lay down the macro pie, but Spiegel fall.
Fade surrounded, crushed again here by PMA as Dr. Juice gets the double.
And then Mike just gets Yapsen as well.
Niku charges straight back over towards the Klink, sets up for the triple for
Dr. Juice.
They're ready to bring in this top lane, I'm ready to close this game down.
Gearmate, looking for the next target.
It's the Vibeck.
No saffron.
And Navi, they don't care about backing off, they're ready to keep going.
Despite the Vibeck stay, I'm not scared of anything that Gamelid didn't have to burrow them.
No, they take all, they truly do.
This Cling Stephen does not do any damage at this point.
That's the slight change out to Vignum. Vignum's gone, PMA gets the jump crush on to Jamsen. Jamsen's out, this game's over, Gigi is called.
Navi take the game in very impressive style, very nicely solving the problems of that early game.
The early lead, that advantage that Game of Legion were getting against them in the lanes.
And then from that point onwards, it was completely down here for Game of Legion. They had no plan B.
They had no plan of recovery.
Yeah, no plan B, and I will say, like, Navi's draft,
it's really, really good, honestly,
unless this monkey can completely slow balls out of control.
And I do feel like they have the answers for this place
as we saw in multiple situations.
The itemization is definitely awkward, so.
Props to Navi.
Absolutely.
Saw this stuff there.
Navi, take the win.
What a great win, I'm sure that one feels.
Considering it was going pretty rough for them
in that early game,
the mid lane with Emma Spirit on Niku, a bit of a yakuza, I think, when?
Yeah, it's classic Niku getting solo killed.
I think, you know, some players, you look at them like they're such a dominant player.
Maybe every win, every win that's happening.
Yeah, look how often they get solo kills from Niku.
It's look how often you get solo killed.
Yeah, it's a beat.
But after that beginning of the game, I think he played very well.
Navi has a hole played very well.
And I was worried about this when I look at this game.
It's a difficult game to execute for game religion.
And they kind of just got skilled if I think a slightly better team could have won this game with this draft after that start after the solo kill
Both sidelines winning or at the minimum drawing
But a couple mistakes here and there we talked about a multi-king that girl does not do well with mistakes
No, it really doesn't maybe one if you have like a support system that allows for that
Where as you don't really this clink needs a lot of time for himself
Of course, previously at Blast Land, six wins of 100% for this time around getting its first loss at this event.
It just really does need a little bit more time though.
And then Centaur as well, there's only so much he can do once he throws out the spells of him, the ultimate to disengage.
And then Portoq will enter Kiro.
What else more are you really supposed to do when anyone on the side of Navi gets something wrong Portoq?
Yeah, I think so much of it comes down to
to that like post-wisdom rune, I think.
Up until that wisdom rune, they'd done amazing.
It kills all over the place.
They killed them a year or two times.
It's still both wisdom runes.
Normally you're in pole position.
I think they were made up of 3K gold at that point.
And then from there, I think they're just not fast enough
like combining their heroes in different parts of the map.
You can see there's a point
where they're kind of all just standing mid,
looking at each other, wasting time.
We're not gonna be standing there
waiting for them to dive.
And Game Legion's also standing there
looking for an opportunity,
but there aren't opportunities
and they're just burning time,
burning the midnight oil and you can't do that whenever you have monkey king specifically against ember because this vessel is coming
And you need to be farmed enough that your diffusal is fast fast enough that like you gain all this map control
So you can get to BKB because if you get BKB at a good timing like quickly after his vessel
Then you're chilling you need to really push the tempo because if it's sort of stagnant like this
Then you can't actually fight him even if you're 2k gold up and if he has vessel and you have diffusal
If you aren't doing anything to him. He's gonna change you press vessel. That's it
Well, still again praise to what was Game of Legends earlier part of the game here, but
even more so for the side of of Navi making something that no one else is playing for themselves.
Grimstroke actually want to talk about him a little bit more.
You coined it.
You said CY loves this hero, CY's coaching Navi of course it's going to have some amount
of influence, but to see it come to fruition now two games for them at Blast Lamp.
It's like this is this is good.
This is now a Na'Vi hero.
Teams look at it as we could be picking up this hero
for ourselves, or do we just have to resign
that that is going to be their hero
that you will have to subconsciously always think about?
Yeah, they definitely have to consider it.
And I think they draft around it really well, right?
They've got the triple stunner boys
or the triple initiation boys
with the backhand supports, you need that, right?
They take those two super scared coward supports
and then immediately follow up with the chads
and you need that mix there.
And I think understanding that, not getting baited into,
oh, it's a really good game for Sniper this game.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
When you have Grimstroke, your mid is melee.
There's no question here, there's no conversation.
And I think they stuck to the rules of Grimstroke
and they won the game for it.
Let's talk about Monkey King a little bit more
if you're okay with that.
Okay, I don't know if you were a bit-
Oh, Bludge.
Okay.
Didn't even let me finish my sentence, but that's cool.
We're gonna talk about Monkey King then
and how good his early game was
because you're like, any other team
potentially couldn't have made it work
with this good stuff.
But what exactly was so good about his stuff?
Well, I think he played the lane really well.
He went for this Wraithban rush at the start of the lane,
which is very good against Ember,
so you can trade back and forth against him.
Gets a really, really nice solo kill
based off that early laning.
They have a great gank here,
and they've got the snowball running.
Now your engine is going.
So where do you need to look to next?
Well, after these kills, he goes to the Wisdom Room,
and there's a sequence there
where he gets a couple of kills.
He takes that Wisdom Shrine away, which is amazing.
It's a great high value play.
The problem really comes after that,
that I think he needs to either start attacking this dragonite in the safe lane or he needs
to get more heroes to combine.
Really the big problem with Malkihing and the mistake RCY makes is he doesn't combine
enough of his heroes and he's fighting in even numbers or getting outnumbered.
There's a point where he dives at mid tower a little bit and he feeds it away or you
can see stuff like this when the game has progressed more.
Malkihing, he wants numbers advantages because he's so, he's only right, let's try this,
his entire tool kit because he just hits you and so if he has spells being casted
He gets disrupted, he gets Primstroke casted, he gets de-pushed off of the fight in a way.
Now he can't actually do anything more. He's a hero that just damaged a point-flank range.
So if he doesn't have the numbers advantage, it's a real problem for him.
And in this game, he makes that mistake of getting outnumbered by not communicating properly with his team.
Maybe they don't understand it properly and it's just such an all-in hero.
And that's two things that really test it. I think the communication, the confusion of game legion
game religion is also when you come up against the Grimstroke and you get
leashed like that in a fight you need to be on the same page or you need to have
extremely effective communication to figure out what you're going to do
together are you both going to continue pushing it do you realize this is a
lost cause we actually both need to back out right now or are you even able
to no absolutely and fog mentioned a lot during the game and I think it's
very true that Navi's draft they have a lot of cohesion together they
scale really well and their heroes make sense together and I think for
They should take a page out of that school of thinking.
If I'm being honest, their execution is not good enough to play really fast lineups like this.
And I think they should give themselves a little more grace in the draft.
We've also been talking about Shiva's quite a bit.
And you look at Gamer Legion, it's two physical damage heroes and Centaur who does almost no damage.
You know what item is really good against that?
Shiva's.
I think split damage when that item is really good is super important.
You need some magic and some physical because if you're super, you know, dumped into one category,
and you end up in big hot water.
Yeah, that feels bad when it's like,
Okay, here's one item.
We undo everything you've just spent
like the last 15 minutes drafting
towards and you're like, Oh, cool.
Gigi, I guess. Yeah, thanks for
thanks for the next and we will go
next. We'll go next and talk about
our next matchup Falcons and
Spirit. So earlier today Falcons
played up against Maus where
they got five Huskets ended up
winning Spirit for themselves came
up against the Falcons and
winning spirit for themselves came up against og they did get that win but it didn't necessarily feel
like your issues were resolved and your issues with spirit were the fact that they weren't drafting
like an old spirit did you know and i don't even necessarily mean that far back we could go
six to eight months ago and it felt like there was way more oomph in spirit straff this time around
having to fill in what is the substitute in their mid lane nephelaw yeah it's definitely been impacting
and then I think for the negative.
I do think they've maybe started to write the ship
a little bit that last game, they had the scaling,
they had the team fight,
which is what we want from a spirit draft.
They're not a team that's gonna play very quickly,
even though they have the individual scale,
it's just not their playstyle.
They don't like to do that things that way.
So I think as long as they can draft themselves
into that more typical spirit comfort,
have the late game, have the scaling,
it's very good for them as I think
this is an interesting matchup because it's two teams
that are Titans at different points,
but are both floundering to some extent.
So I think it's really important for both teams to have ease of execution because I don't think either team is fully capable of
like trampling a game right now. We haven't seen it from either one of them.
And so I think having stuff to fall back on, having either the carry matchup or having the team fight advantage,
these will be things that will be really big advantages for either team.
Yeah, it is really funny to think about that like, you literally go back to our most recent TI and these guys went to a game three
and it was like, 70 minutes to just make it to the main stage.
Like that was, that felt like the pinnacle of what we were witnessing for Dodo.
And now we're going to see them clash heads again, but Falcons at full four in record, Spirit three and five.
Literally their third win mere hours ago.
It's just like, what is kind of crumbling right now?
Spirit, there's drops of Falcons.
You're saying they're struggling to get a lead or to close out a lead.
What was it? Sorry.
I think it's a combination of both.
I think Falcons is a whole other.
That's not good.
I think they're all over the place and it's weird because I think
Where Falcons typically their issues reside and I think it's a bit of the problem right now
Is I think they have problems when they don't have these consistent heroes
They can go back to the classic Falcons heroes the first big dragon at Beastmaster Mars these dudes that they just pick
Yeah, Pango exactly dead hero now these heroes
They got the first pick and they have the same draft every game and they force you to beat this draft
I don't think they have that right now
I think they're picking different things
They're trying a lot of different openers and they don't have that typical Falcon structure
It's just a problem we saw throughout last year until they got to the very end.
People forget they had a very shaky year up until that T. I I don't think they forgot.
They didn't forget outside public you win T. I was a ghost.
I eat, but no, they had a very messy year up until then.
Yeah. And so I think you can see remnants of that now.
They're not really sure what to pick.
They don't have the typical bird sauce.
So I think they need to find that.
Can you take it with a grain of salt that it is a new passion?
Maybe trying new things is good.
Uh, I think you know, there's so there's so regiment that they have to have that stable. I think there's definitely some validity to trying some other stuff
I think it can broaden your horizons, but I think my question marks come in that
They tried that last year and it didn't work, but they just eventually went back to basics
They tried to play other stuff in a meta that wasn't super adapted towards them
And so I think for Falcons you gotta jam what you're good at because what you're not good at you're really not good at
It really ain't workin' for them all. We'll see if they found out what is good for them here.
Same with Spirit, both of them getting wins to start off their day, but right now only one of them is gonna be able to get that north start with a draft.
and we're going to have to
have to. One thing that will
never disappoint. Is the fact
that a team will never let
Falcons have Oscar in this day
and age. We had a couple of
lost lands where they were
willing to pick it and first
pick open the draft with the
spirit aren't playing with that
also a Oscar, a chin and a
This tree and protector seems like a nasty hero they aren't comfortable coming up against.
Shadowfiend sits in that too with Storm's spirit and now Shadow Demon taken out.
Yeah, this storm, Shadowfiend bands are so funny because it's just two heroes that Falcons
don't really play very much like Malorin can technically play Storm but it's not a
specialty of his by any stretch of the imagination.
I feel like he's 58% win rate competitively says otherwise.
He's 58 on Storm.
No, I don't actually think it's going over 50%.
Yeah, I think he's negative.
Yeah, he is.
No, I ain't giving him a benefit of that, he's going to another heroes with Stormane
his hero and Shadowfiend is a hero that neither skitter or Mallory play at all so they just
any time these heroes are in the meta it's kind of a problem for them and you see them
first ban them quite a bit.
Looks out of the here but they get given their signature razor, a bit surprising that
Spirit choose to give that over the Chen, I mean it is a Falcons Chen but not a hero
that we see most teams pick these days so it's interesting they still give it
so much respect.
I mean, it is snaking, so it makes sense, I guess.
I want to see the snaking Marana.
I mean, he's not going to take that fast, though.
He's going to take whatever, like, blinding stars.
I don't want to see it then. I take it back.
Let's see how he plays.
He definitely won't be playing CM, though.
That's kind of what brought to mind the other heroes
that he is so notorious for, right?
You've already said it. It is a foul,
because it is a snaking Chen,
so they deem it worthy to first-phase ban it.
Second phase is a Crystal Maiden,
And then I don't know if this is a player that you want to test the depth of hero pool
on.
I feel like maybe you could do it for Malorraine, maybe you could do it for Amar.
But I feel like Snaid really truly does have so much more than this, and it feels weird
to almost target him with Nagekira Bantu.
I agree.
It is weird.
And I don't remember the last time I've seen a Crystal Maiden Bant.
Like, really?
That's the best you could come up with?
And I think there's like some theory into when you have these double second phase
bands what you do with them because in a lot of cases you want to ban heroes that stand out
that are specific in that no other hero can do what they do. You look at CM and your hero
they can probably come up with another ranged hero that's a pretty it's pretty strong in lane and
has magic damage right like those heroes are not special necessarily in that what they do
and so when you do those things they just pick the third one if you wasted your bands
compared to something like banning a specific core hero thinking ahead a little bit what core
might be wanting its razor. Okay, let's ban something for that. Right. There's a lot of forward
thinking in these second phase bans. And so being maybe a little short-sighted and coping a little
bit that snaking won't have a third here. I agree. It's a bit strange. Yeah. It's also
coming back to the conversation. We're having the last draft where teens will allocate times
in different places. They reserved time in different places. For the spirit, it felt like
they didn't actually want to allocate any extra reserve time to that second phase ban. And
and they were just like yep see him yep you care now we look Falcons through the
complete inverse that was a really long time whilst they do get that pick
straight out of the Dan face there's a long time to eventually ban a clockwork
and pick up a tiny yeah I think it I'm not a hundred percent sure what that
goes to show I do think this banning clock into picking tiny makes some
amount of sense the clockwork is pretty good against wave dragging
force generally but tiny historically is decent against clock because you can
just toss them out of cogs if he puts you in them.
But the big cogs, maybe that's changed a little bit,
is now you can kind of get bounced around
and you can't actually get out,
even if you toss the clock out.
So there's a method to the madness there,
and it looks like it's gonna be the Amor Razor.
You've already picked that melee ranged lane.
So it's an Amor classic,
and Crit is also, I think, a Grandmaster tiny.
A lane they're very well versed in,
but it is much more about that classic Falcons,
Wind lanes become tanky and unfightable through each individual hero, sort of building for himself compared to Spirit where once again you start with the Mars, it's the team fight, it's the cohesion, that's the base they've built for themselves.
What is Tiny bringing to the table? Plenty of other melee position forwards might not be, it just does end up being a position for Tiny because there's the TOSP 2 which I think is really good against the Mars arena, you can blink in, you can snowball safe.
That is a good question. I think it is a it's like more of a mix of damage. Tusk is a hero that is
very much about the save and about the initiation, but his sort of poke and damage is it's all physical, right?
Razor you've got another hero that's oh, he has some magic damage, but a big oomph is focusing one single target
so Tiny gives you slightly more AoE and a slightly
like slightly different options. You have the toss back instead of just jumping a hero like this little more
diversity of how you can play it out. So I can, I think a lot of these differences between
heroes chosen Y Tusk compared to Tiny comes down to a specific players, specific understanding
of like almost feel like you've seen Razor and you've played them so many times. Like
I feel like a little more AoE is a little better. And so Avalanche feels slightly better than
Snowball does. So much of it is these imperceptible things that you get from playing way too
many games.
Yeah, I was going to say I am sure not only have they from that combination, either
the tusk or the tiny multiple times with each other, but in pubs too and so I like that sort of
reasoning as to why you might just see one hero even by two percent be the chosen one.
Kez and Warlock are two more chosen heroes though. Morana for Team Spirit, we didn't really touch
on that one too much we could circle back because I think Kez coming out for Falcons seems
far more interesting. Yeah this is crazy I have not seen Skitter play this in an official.
I did see him practicing a little bit in pubs, so it's not full blind,
but it does not really strike me as a skitter hero.
Kez is kind of equal with so. I farm, I solo carry the game,
and that's not really skitter's ammo at all.
He's very much a team player, someone who does what's necessary to get the win.
And while I think Kez Warlock is an amazing response to Mars,
it's a great lane against him, and I think Kez is one of the better carries
against that Mars, the lane is very good.
And also if you ever press this arena, you just spin around in a circle,
and you kind of chill and you don't mind that arena being put down.
Warlock, great team fight response to the Mars,
so I think there's a lot of logic in these picks.
I think they make a ton of sense.
But both Warlock and Kez, they're not really Falcon's heroes.
And so this is an interesting thing to me
where we had this conversation before the draft of
some of the heroes that are really popular right now,
they're not typical Falcon's heroes.
So they've dipped a little bit outside the comfort zone
to something that is conceptually good this game,
but is it good for Falcons?
You don't think Warlock's a snake hero?
Not that much.
Okay.
Like, I think he can play it absolutely.
Snaking is a...
That's a different question.
Being able to play a hero or not isn't ever the question when it comes to part players.
No, when I think of snaking, I think of Naga Siren, I think of Chen, Enchantress,
Marana, CM.
I think of these wave pushing sort of rat heroes that can get a lot of farm.
Snaking is a hero that almost...
A hero.
Snaking is a player that almost border lies on close...
My hero's snaking?
That's right.
I don't know why any pride.
There you go.
Carry me.
Carry the region, please.
Oh, Blast off.
No, but I think he's a, he's a, he's a,
I must say hero again.
He's a player who gets a lot of farm
and borders on a core.
And Warlock is not, that's not really as strong.
So he's sort of a sit behind your core,
blob around, press heal,
press rock every once every four minutes.
You know, that's his MO.
And I think that doesn't really fit
Snake King's sort of
identity as a player.
Well, I believe you this time around, but I'm gonna have to wait to actually see it
I'm trying to look at his competitive match history to see if Warlock even sits anywhere
Up there. It doesn't. Okay six months ago. Yeah 18 games
Wait, was that was that at Raleigh some 50%? Oh my goodness. I don't know you're really testing my knowledge right now
because I I just remember at Raleigh
I think we may have played this here a one or two times and I was standing in for them and
And it just, I don't know if we won those games, and it did feel like it's not a hero.
We did okay in the group stage, but then we bombed out.
The group stage was decent though.
But yeah, it's not a hero that Falcons typically likes or one that's very comfortable for them.
So we'll see.
Sometimes changing just these little things about what general things a player's hero
will do, that can have really big impacts that alter how other people play and it's
small and it's tiny, but it has big
ramifications because Gode is so much of a game of snowball.
Yeah, he's only played it seven times since joining Falcons as an organization
and none of them were at Raleigh.
Okay, well, I think you tried.
Maybe it was a scrim.
Maybe. Leaks.
Leaking a year old scrim.
How could you quinn the betrayal of your fellow countrymen?
We'll focus back on the bends, though,
and underlord, yeah, really rising in popularity and rightfully so.
already talked about just how good its win rate is but the fact that we've been seeing it in
carry off lane is obviously where it is predominantly put and that is what falcons are looking for which
is why a beast master is joined them in the ranks of the band that's still potential flecks for the
razor to either go mid on malarain off lane on amal and for falcons it's amorph and weaver
band to try and limit what yutoro might want to pick out for himself. Yeah very very reasonable
B-Smasters are really good against Ember and Lane. That lane is very, very hard and you can get stomped by a competent B-Smaster player if you're not careful.
So even though B-Smasters had a pretty trash winner at this event so far, I think Falcons did win a game with them a little bit before and it would have been a decent option this game.
I think it's bold, blind picking the Ember against Malrin, a player who's got a lot of sneaky dirty counter picks and Razor is also a hero that can do very well against the Ember and Lane.
So they've opened up that possibility that if Falcons want to they can definitely put the razor minute pick a new off lane to counter
Whatever your Toro picks here, but at the same time it's a comfort hero for Morel
And when you've got to stand in you've got a new sort of upstart player picking in what he's comfortable on
I think is a great philosophy
Yeah, that
The Beastmaster by the way is the only win in this tournament to Beastmaster
So it happens on day three, just a little bit of going.
Whilst they do try and limit what Yutora could potentially pick up from himself in that final phase,
he still gets his hands on a TA.
Yeah, it's a good TA game outside of the lane. Razor vs. TA is a funny matchup because historically,
everyone thought of Razors being super good against TA, but as TA has gotten buffs and changed over time,
once you get out of that laning phase, TA is pretty good against Razor because you can't break that blink
so you can always blink away and kite that link.
But now Mal-Reen, he saw last game, he saw RCY and said,
you know, I'll show you how it's done, brother.
He must have closed the tab after eight minutes
and said, yeah, Monkey King's a really good hero.
Yo, that was inspiring, man.
Give me that hero.
Yeah.
At the same time, I think Mal-Reen is a better Monkey King,
and Falcon's better at playing with this team.
I think, in so much as Monkey King is a player hero,
it's also a team hero, because, like we mentioned before,
you need to combine your heroes properly
and make sure you take those fights well.
So, if I look at Falcons Heroes, you do have that overlap though of it's the triple right-clicking course
against a member who can buy a Shiva as a Mars, who can, you know, has tools to kite you and block your attacks.
So, Falcons, I think their draft has potential.
There's a lot of, a lot there, great lanes to snowball, but are they in the state to actually execute it?
I don't know because it is a little unorthodox, especially this Kez Warlock.
Yeah, yeah, well, we've already said it will look really not that that's me here too much doesn't jump to mind obviously sketer
Pulling out the cares not for the first time
But it is still limited numbers that we've seen and play it competitively and then yeah on the side of the spirit
Just a lot of comfort all round to everyone. I actually don't think I could put a single
Player to hear a combo there that doesn't feel nice at all for I completely agree
they do have the razor against the TA in the lane, so
that lane matchup is very good.
Before he gets to that blink,
before he gets to those later items.
Is it enough though to have
stole out a Yatoro TA?
Like this man finds farm.
He, yeah, I mean, Yatoro would be fun.
There's no question about that.
That's what I mean.
So it's like a lane matchup
that's slightly favorable to Falcons
enough to really stop what spirit
want and need?
I think it'll never be enough
to stop them from farming,
but it can be enough to snowball the game.
And maybe Yatoro's wrong,
but everyone else is poor.
Morella has no items or collapse is only playing on a blink and it can't get to the BKB's and later items
So I think for Falcons
They can still well absolutely
But they need to really show up because this is not a draft they're comfortable on and it's a high execution draft
Whereas for spirit if they just chill and vibe and do their thing they can collect the free dub
Well, the thing is I don't know if this really leads in to help what you're saying or not
But spirit is the third shortest game length when it comes to winning their games
They normally win it at about the 35 minute mark
And I feel like that might not be enough time to allow your tour on this TA
Maybe that's more of a window that Falcons are gonna try and aim for themselves
But it is a best of one it's gonna be a much needed win for either of those teams
So let's see exactly who's gonna get it
to see some uh, Skeeter bringing in the kids. Look for what he can do with that one on
the other side of things spirit. They had the things to consider. They end up going with
the Yatora TA to finish it off. It's a solid one, but not one that's, you know,
that there's definitely stuff that could trip up a TA this game.
Yeah, I would say at least my read for this one is I would, I look at Falcons and I think
they drafted to kind of win three lanes in a way, right? These three lanes that they have
are incredibly potent. They can be a little volatile. You know, this monkey king versus
Ember, as we saw, you need to keep the ball rolling, but Malrin is very comfortable on this
one. These lanes look good, right? Kaz Warlock versus Mars plus Hoodwink. It looks pretty good
for the Kaz made it monkey King versus the monkey and bottom tiny razor versus a moron and a TA they
should be able to have good lanes but I think they need to really have these good lanes go that good
and kind of snowball like windows talking about because if you look at stairs draft
if they just get to play their game they get to kind of chill out it's a very strong draft in
terms of like everything else yes it's got team fight it's got good catch it's got great scaling
falcons is just a little bit it's just different this warlock and Kaz especially is very very
different. Razor we've seen is very strong but some volatility in these
heroes.
Yep, he's gonna have to leap away.
So, I do think that they can, like this game, they could
particularly like snowball pretty out of control in this game, but there's
definitely those possibilities where if they don't snowball, yeah, spirits
draft, it just will naturally hit these timings and be incredibly strong
as the game progresses. So let's see how these lanes do go.
Save Maureen.
Gonna get that sort of revenge against the Ember in the lane as we saw in the matchup in literally last game.
I'm not taking sure he can cause for morale.
Yeah, I would say this top lane is probably the one that can be a bit more like a bit of
volatility, right? Warlock, yes, he can keep the sustain going for the cat,
But this is a pretty aggressive lineup with the hoodwink plus the Mars if they find the warlock out of position which can't happen
Bottomless to see how much links are pretty much coming out because if a Mars able to just play like this
Which you should be able to he can she slow down the farm of your total pretty effectively
Say once the levels there and they can look those toss back plays get a bit spooky
Only got the jingu
got the crit
very cool climb
going down here, yeah this is gonna be crit
getting taken out, and first putt into the hands of yutora
incredibly unexpected kill, really
when you have these two down here, just really taking advantage of the low armor
he walked up a little bit too far, too many extra right clicks
super well done there from Pantheon
with leap
this is something to steal that one earlier
but he does have that leap and bounce, so it has that nice little root
Not so bad, it's still level 1.
And that's the S. So far, once again, the Murals keeping up is the Ember Spirit, but very much kind of from this level 3 onwards, where we really start to see the Ember get bullied.
Yep. And I like to see the different approaches from some players. We did see R.C.Y. goes for the Wraith Band.
You know, Queen even mentioned he likes this Wraith Band to be able to bully.
to bully Malvry, just go for the Tracerosh, she's got the double circling stat so similar
type of stat bonus that he gets to have that advantage. Either way, she's gonna have that
great lane.
Trich still not quite level 2. There we go, he's got it now, so they have to watch
out for those toss back plays.
Keeping this pressure on.
Testing the CS under the tower here against Murale.
Toro really trying to get these Rains CS, but he can't, they're even trying to use Arrows
to get it.
You actually saw it there on the camera, the crit body there.
They were pinging to arrow that Rains creep.
They weren't able to actually quite get it there, so Toro is definitely struggling
in terms of CS.
You get the Lotus and they do have Marana on their team so getting these Lotuses always feels really good when you have Marana.
Mara.
Go for the link.
He's trying to lure himself for Mara.
Obviously just relying on the fact that he doesn't have the stick charges.
Double two link.
Online when you're playing versus the TA absolutely reason to go for that second point
Continue to apply that pressure, but he's not even every last six it's slow bait to 90
But they are preventing CS, but he's also not really getting them up, but
Think you'll take you'll be okay with that. It's a razor just this kill that really makes the difference the fact that you're
I was able to get a kill crazy collapse
It's gonna be all right that failed ones the shadow word does bring him down pretty low though
It's got salvo the ready to heal up
Yeah, you should be should be fine
So we are seeing what we are mentioning. It's not three lanes, I guess, win because of that kill bottom, but two lanes that are going incredibly well at the moment for the side of Falcons.
Yeah, mid is getting very, very dirty. 27-11 against the 11-1.
Not getting a lot of tool out of this matchup, Meryl. It's not an easy one to play for them.
play for them. They'll get the set of fun in your tour. They have to toss back, giving the link going.
The tour, he's got a few one charges. Now comes Amar with the plasma field, takes the kill.
Amar's got to be careful as well. Amar's got a lot of right click built up.
We're seeing the potential of that combo there with the tiny razor.
Yeah, that's how that thought that this lane was going to look a lot of the times.
Top Skeeter, top, quite a beating.
That's not enough damage to burst him though. Skeeter's going to be fine.
gets back under the tower. Don't quite have enough there between the spear and the bush
wax to kill him. What's that? He steps back up against an acorn shot for the face. Okay.
Well, he didn't account for getting an acorn shot on his face. He just steps back in range and
Rune takes the kill at the end of it all. Back down bottom. Another go-on to Yatora.
He's coming in and he should be right this time. Am I not quite ready to continue tanking
that tower but yeah big snipe there from rude to come in with those bounces
he did have the level two so he does have the extra bound but the fact that it
bounced right back to skid I mean a little unfortunate for skidder that didn't
bounce for creeper either way rude skill build coming into play two points in that
acorn and he's sticking around bottom so they're looking to help out yatoro
since he is struggling versus that razor link
leap set up but rude wasn't quite in range there it's off of the bushwack
This should be able to secure the lane at least if they want to keep it like this.
It's six minutes so power runes are gonna start getting contested.
Warlock is looking to go toward top.
This is an interesting move from Meryl.
This might catch them off guard here.
That's a pretty early one.
Yeah, he's not six yet so...
Hmm...
Bringing him Rue as well.
Skeeter, now catch up with the change.
Then put the bush back.
TP back up's coming in for Skeeter.
But surely they can't save him yet the shadow word here will not be enough to keep him alive
So they get away with the play their spirit and we're also gonna take a bad bit of damage
It's gonna tick down pretty low there to the fatal bonds, but nothing else alive that's linked towards in so he's okay now
They get away with it right and he's got to do something because staying in that mid lane against Maureen right now is just not an option I
Will say the plan of the moment for Parkinson's working
but they're not really shutting down the tier that much.
TX is the same net worth as the Razor
because of these smaller rotations
and absolutely because of that first kill
that, you know, Yatora was able to get.
Sure, I know wisdom.
Ma-Ring gets caught.
I mean, he was trying to go for a move,
but they were ready and they sold him.
That's Naking dead.
Ma-Ring and that's Kibukong's command.
Harold?
I mean, did he actually have a way out of this?
He's going to be jumping around,
but he is surrounded and nobody's coming to help him.
That's Maureen dead!
Oh boy.
I mean surely daddy's...
I might not.
Is he asking?
No, no, no, no.
He actually jumps around and changes the guard.
He's actually gonna get a...
He is not dead!
Let's correct that!
What the...
What?
He just got out of there!
They could've killed him!
Well, they'll get away with that play, Maureen!
That was sick.
That was pretty absurd.
Getting that little change to guard didn't get hit by any damage,
so he has the jump up.
I didn't see if he'd skill it without any...
I actually was not really thinking about it.
but either way was able to survive a heavy rotations. He wasn't able to deny away the wisdom
but he was brought up multiple heroes up there. Oh, he might still be happy. They did get the wisdom at least so
and looking at the two supports can play around Meryl similar to how enough he did in that last
game. They are strong. It's just Mal'Reen. I was going to turn up and try and turn things
Thank you ceiling up. It's gonna be okay as quick comes in with the avalanche toss combo on supports morale morale has to jump out
Oh, yeah, you're back in. Oh, no, that's a remnant gone wrong
Uh-oh
That's not good
They even brought different rotations around him, but Malrin standing his ground
That was a big slip up there from out for morale. He's already struggling continues to be at that bottom here
Any, I've gone for the fighting build, so it is that 3-3-2.
I believe we did see Miku put a couple more points in that Flameguard in the last game
at least to get that farm recovery in case-
He did, he hit the jungle level 5 out of 3 points in Flameguard last game.
Exactly, so, you know, let's see if that has any extra results too, that really hurts
him.
No learn charges, the rotation and supports don't help either.
Yutoro's getting space, so it's collapsed with that.
His monkey king and razor chopper work.
Reppin' for the moob bottom, golem.
At the ready. Didn't have to eat the grimoire either.
He has gotten quite a fair bit of levels without having to do so.
Pop. Looking for Skeeter.
Can't catch him.
Yeah, right
Put together defense right now
Talkies might kind of move not like as a full unit
But they might move together from lane to lane in order to try to get these 3g ones because their lineup wants to be able to get at least a
Bit of an advantage in the early game
So we'll see how they want to sandwich and make these moves around as we do see morale. He's cutting waves
That's how he's gonna get the extra form
He's just gonna take a lot of time, a lot of time before the Zemba's gonna be on a solid
threat against Falcons.
And that's really interesting for Malorin.
If you didn't see what he's gone for, a triple wraith band.
No corrosion, no small like orbifrost, just all about the stats early up to get the
armor, attack speed, etc., small little things that he wants to have.
So interesting approaches.
I love when we see the differences from players.
He's just killing up a straight BKB so versus the heavy team fight versus the Mars the Marana
You definitely see why a BKB early can have its merits
Look at the mid-air one now
Thankings ready with six if any sort of defense comes in from team spirit
Keep the catapult alive as well
They're moving from tower to tower. Let's see if Spirit wants to actually mount that
defense. I do see Morell and Ruse smoked up. Not quite six on the hood, we're gonna
try and make a move for them off. Have they got the burst to deal with this Razor? No,
not at all. No, we're close. Very hard to get these kills right now on Spirit. Yeah,
quite lackluster damage on their lineup when the Embers still continue to struggle.
It's 11 minutes in, he has not had that recovery outlet just yet, we can see, you know, earlier, Navi,
that like 7 to 11 minutes was where they just completely made Miku just pop off.
It's on the Ember, and I don't want to get that help.
They're ready to go for collapse.
Get the set up, Skeeter's ready with the rep to dance to burst him down low.
Spirit Arena though won't give him a chance for collapse to run.
And that might just save him. He's out of that, in fact with the bushwhack and the sharpshoot,
they end up bursting scooter down Bearlow himself so it collapse he'll live that
Snape just drops the golem. Let's say he just wants the tower. So yeah, they actually just want to take all three T1s
So wanting to get that advantage that we were mentioning it try to constrict the farm of the TA
But TA is there to go for that golem. They'll be able to get the defense going in
I mean this TA is top net worth Owen. Yatoro has not been slowed down. He is.
I suppose to go back to this as well in terms of the carry bills
Is this something we're seeing from other carry Kez is going for the Blads first?
Oh, no, I want to say no definitely not yes
I mean because that that's got to say to you right that they they're really going all in on this right Falcons
If you're getting a blad's first on your safe lane Kez BKB first on your mid lane monkey king
You're looking to fight fight fight. You don't want to hit the creep. You don't want to farm it up
I have to see very interesting
I don't know what to say.
getting morel for it. Now also Rube, surviving at the end there and now Yotaro is ready to
try and go back in on some more tomorrow, but the Shadowblade Heal is coming in. Tskita tries
with the Raptor Dance from the Spirit from Collapse, pushes Tskita back. Giving some room here for
Yotaro to escape. Bushrock holds him back, Hara connects onto Tskita, Spirit they get away
with that move. Super low on both Collapse and Rube, but they escape alive. Now they're
getting these fights going their way now Spirit. They're making moves and it's working out.
It's looking pretty beautiful for them to be honest with you Falcons the team especially with this lineup is that wants to be playing ahead
You've got to be honest with you on when they have razor plus the monkey game if they do have skier actually going for the Blitz
Which he did commit for yeah, he's got it. That's how I got the blitz. Yeah, they want to be playing with an advantage
That was a really good chase forward from spirit
For out essentially has the vessel done it's a strong vessel game just like last time into the monkey king into honestly all the
course pretty strong
And this is the thing right overall for you know sure the lane was great for the amber spirit
But in terms of the overall game kind of until the tiny has to blink online, which of course is going to be quite a while away
You know morale he he's got to be pretty hard to catch
Yeah, you should be it should be pretty difficult for them to fully combo up at least
I feel like Falcons draft, if they go back and they have to sit back and kind of hit creeps
like this, I wouldn't imagine it feels like it.
That's why this draft, like, it's really interesting to me because most of the times
for Falcons when I'm watching them, it's like if they want to go back and hit creeps,
that's their content with that usually.
This draft, this stuff is drafts that doesn't feel as content just sitting back and hitting
the creeps.
They have Snape playing the Warlock, not some greedy CM or something like that.
They have Monkey King, you know, more of a, you know, tempo-based hero sitting back and
farming too.
So we'll have to see what's going to happen out of all this with TA able to just sit back
and hit the creeps in a much faster fashion than the kez.
Just like it's on here from Team Square, Morale, Amru, looking down towards the bottom
lane and catching Mauryan will feel pretty good right now.
He's up in the trees
Using collapse as the bait. Marine he's gonna fall for the bait as said she's gonna go for the attempt to jump it on towards collapse
But here comes the backup. They'll drop the golem down
Damage comes in the arena trap snaking that snaking gone. Marine's gonna take down pretty low here to the vessel
So he'll have to back away
They were actually expecting QP backup
That's why they didn't commit fully for the for the mucking but there was actually zero TPs coming in and you saw
He's getting solo kills, F1 is creating the mid lane, I mean this TI is going to be a problem, you know at the moment especially with the height builds as well, you just got to look at your tour on the TI, just the nature of the hero.
He's going to scale that much harder and that much faster than Skeeter on this, this, you know, Kez going for this Vlad's into Deso build.
No, I agree, I mean this bottom lane needed to put, honestly it was designed to be able to put more pressure on the TI, but the first blood messed up everything, honestly.
Like he was just ahead, he was tied up with the Razor the entire time because of it.
getting those extra last hits as well afterwards.
Deso Stack picked up immediately after he has it.
He's level 13.
Has a little pen right now.
Yeah.
And Maureen.
Panto.
And that was the last lead from Panto.
And Maureen blood grenade.
Move speed to chase him down, yeah.
Panto's going to be able to run
and just ends up wasting the time of Maureen.
One of my favorite things versus Monkey Kings
is either having earned or blood grenade
on these supports because you just throw it onto him and he can't jump up onto that tree
fence after getting a lot of these chases. It's really obnoxious to play against.
Maureen, I think they're going to have to be pretty explosive with his BKB timing, I feel.
If he, since he is fully committing for it.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
We get BKB and we need to fight, sir.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, because I'm like this could end up being, you know, a game in the same sort
of vein as what we saw last time right with the monkey in the ember.
you know the monkey shot it causes issues for the ember in the lane but overall the ember actually
able to recover and have bigger impact as the game goes on yeah the ta is just honestly like the
tutorial is going to double up the kez very quickly soon here just the nature of the hero
level 14 ta 10 000 worth kez only 6k without a damage item
yeah so something crazy has to go sort of falcon's way when they have the pk beyond
Maureen and the Deso timing on Skeleton. They have to go for some sort of teamfight.
They have to win that teamfight. If they don't, yeah, the sort of lead that Yatora is going to have against them all
is going to get very very difficult to keep up with.
Absolutely agree.
Marel's going to go to Kaia. I actually was hoping that he was going to do the sheepish route also on December 3rd.
I've just been loving this item. I think we're going to, as we were mentioning, and Tenno was saying, we're going to see a lot more.
Please early on.
It's just easier for Spirit to take teamfights too, with the way that they've hit these timings
of items after the laning phase went that type of way, it's just easier for them to execute
and get these catches.
The only teamfight really for the side of Falcons is Golem and Wukong.
And it's, you know, there's ways to reset out of that.
All top collapse is gonna find Chris more than happy to drop the arena down and get the quick kill
They know how important it is for Falcons to get the blink dagger on the tiny so if they can slow that down
Their game continues to look easier and easier on spirit
Hey, they're ruining it. They really are ruining it for him. Like it's 18 minutes. This is one of the slower blink daggers
I think you'll see from a tiny he opted to go for arcane boots early to for some extra mana
So it's delaying it even more
Usually you see it like turn off his image maybe even earlier
I'm just going to get outplayed all over the place.
They really are.
They had sort of their highlight in the first few minutes in the lanes with sort of the match
up in the mid, but outside of that team spirit are outplaying them and it is kind of getting
difficult to see where Falcons can find their footing with this lineup playing from behind.
It's got to just be a big team fight around Wukong plus Beto Bonds, right?
They do have that BKB done, so this is their timing.
It feels like they have to get some type of success.
They have a man to also put the Razors.
Maarin, put the foul on this, but again, that's it.
You know, not a huge amount of look down on Falcons to deal with the Ember now,
the morale's starting to get his game online quite nicely as well.
Yeah, let's see how Spirit identifies.
They might know that this move is happening too, and they see a BKB on the Monkey King.
probably expecting something and Yatoro, he already has the anti-raiser item. He's got the pike now
after the blink and the deso, he has ways to reset out of blinking.
Harkins, they're looking for a fight, but they need to get found first. The chains into the
arrow and the sharpshooter, that's crypt dead again. The blink continues to get put on hold,
collapse, he makes the jump against the arena down and spear on towards the mark.
Golem will be thrown down by snaking, the team spirit they can kite out and mark
He's very low here by the side place of Yatora, Yatoro, Blegborn, looking to finish with the jump, with the Hurricane Pipe Kits coming in to the Amar, he'll survive!
With the Shadow World heel from Snake King!
Yatora going a little too crazy there, was tempted to get in and go for the Hurricane Pipe play, but the sustain was enough to keep Amar safe.
It was looking pretty good, then exactly that, just two aggressive jumps in onto high ground.
thought he could finish the razor but the heels it really does kick in is a
beautiful read from them too they've read the move from Falcons they get this
type of catch with great positioning Mal read actually pretty clutch with this
timing there with that wolf hogs yeah getting a good solid position from the
high ground I mean this was the risk right from spirit trying to chase up
towards the high ground it up link for from your tour I knew that a mile was
low but at this point just didn't have the damage to take him out with
the saves with the heels that Falcons were pumping a mile up with any
juke the spear right at the end of things too so I mean falcons that was the fight
they kind of needed right with the bkb timing with the wukong's they've
reestablished things get the stuff into a cold week get the tormentor but spirit
probably still pretty keen to fight so I'm feeling pretty good with the tarot
having this type of farm is just a big wood splink very overgrassable
We'll be okay, that's the VKB.
How long are their ults?
70 seconds per the golem, they're looking to start connecting Falcons.
And Crit does have Blink.
So they do have that initiation tool now.
Yeah, they're gonna wanna do something with that straight away.
This is what they've been waiting for Falcons to get on the aggressive themselves.
Now perhaps could Chainstone, you know, something like that Ember, could maybe get the kill
onto him.
With the Monkey King as well too.
They should be able to Chainstone, let's see.
They got him.
Didn't have a Remnant out.
I thought actually maybe for a second he got out, but also on intreds doesn't help
that little less HP that he had when they get the jump.
To Roche they go.
That's what the deaths all picked up
You see what also
I don't know if they make it there in time so Quinn mentioned something about the triple physical force on Falcons
Right, so maybe that's another reason why I went Vlad's Vlad's deso with the triple melee hitters, right?
I'll consider the letters. They want to look for the fight first. If I high ground I'm asked got a shield burn as well
First shout-out about half HP.
On the high ground.
That's the main line. It's better ready to step forward.
Lucky King.
They see him. They're gonna find him!
They get the speed connection, they're gonna try and burst him!
And they're able to blow him up before he can do anything!
Anything that's Maureen gone, collapse, he'll die in retirement, go get Arena off, have no leaps in, ends up dying as he jumps into the front of the fight.
So, they might have got Maureen, but they'll lose two heroes very quickly.
It's just output damage, especially now, Maar in particular, that he's pumping out.
He's done a great game himself, 3-0-5, and he's been yet to kill him.
Now they can go back into the pit without collapse. They're probably not going to be able to look for a steal.
The physical damage is pretty immense.
We're seeing that gas off-lad with three physical cores definitely coming to play.
Roche.
Okay, that's good.
With the Aegis.
Valkyries.
Regaining control of the game.
Off the back of those last few fights.
This is Maureen.
Does he have to be able to use that BKB?
They get picked off almost immediately from the chain stun.
yeah the physical damage it is something insane and I am I'm seeing why
this Vlad the Vlad's death so these three cores hitting they're actually able to
attack with eye of the storm running to these heroes take a ton of damage
the Toro though still having that clear separation 5,000 that works over the
Kaz just crit is finished so he is left undressed in the fight he still can
run rampant. With Aegis coverage now though, Skeeter is feeling quite happy. Denying TA
in Aegis, getting yourself in Aegis to the Caz. But look to be able to mount themselves
another fight as well too around this goal of 60 seconds.
Lost the lapse.
Looks like they're going to call up some Pantheon. We're going to see if they can set something up with the two of them, but Crypt is already going to be out of hit.
And then through the Twin Gate. I mean, because I imagine during this ages time, do you think that, you know, what's the call going to be from Spirit against Falcons in these moments?
still can look for pick offs to be honest with you they have great good
information on the map because the traps and they have good ways to catch
these heroes on the on the outside so still can't look for something but into
the multiple BKBs I think when Amar has BKB they might have to just wait for
the sages to expire and yeah Maro so interesting I really do want to keep
touching on this because he is going kaya and he's killing up shard and I'm
just gonna keep re-interring it's a three-physical three physical cores so
the armor I feel like it's super value this game if they do want some
these cheaper armor items but is opting away from it so we won't be getting
that cheap as these early on him
they're not really buying any silver armor across all fronts right you know
sometimes what will be like the the load suspect up on the Mars but collapse he
wants to go full aggressive and it was really straight for the hex next yeah
it's it's pretty interesting I'm looking at the supports too I was like
maybe a solar or a pavis or something I've seen the load is now queued up by
But damn that of course the breeze are gonna be nice, but yeah interesting to see
Falcons
But I keep the pressure up
Their strength very much in their five man
with that sort of build up the night and when it comes to sort of
Potential to carry the late game this TA still gonna be a huge threat 17k net worth on Yatoro
Alright. Gonna put Daedalus on its way out as well now.
Staking is honestly getting a lot of farm and levels, even though he's playing Warlock.
Like, he's catching up to the Ember Spirit in terms of farm, and he's level 13 with 9 for more.
This can have a pretty big result. The fatal bonds is pretty devastating in terms of these fights.
They're all clustered and they get hit from a multi-fatal bond and combo. You know, they're not gonna get deleted.
He is building here grieves you go for the Pavis the solo crust next to buff up his course
Yeah, they just want sort of all the all the or is all the regular support and some falcons to build towards his timing that
As we've seen in the last few fights, they're very strong out with these builds
all for this sort of mid game
domination
And now we do see morale there is now King up the Shiva
He is gonna go back for that kill, but I don't like it more than the kayak again
I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but maybe she's obsession with she was just because of how good I've seen it in a lot of these games
Hawkins
More than happy to go for fun
What's sort of the best situation for Spirit in these team fights now?
Who's collapse gonna be looking to try and lock down with a quick spear in the reenaconda I?
If you can get the cancer the monkey can't stand fast, thank you sure
Oh, you're never gonna find ideally if you can ever find a backline short
But like you're never gonna find that it's the ember spirits job to jump that backline and disrupt the warlock
You just want to get a multi hero spear
I guess he doesn't have the shard, so just want to get a good spear for the TA to be able to well on any of the course
Hit the scan falcon so they know that spirits over here
No, they're gonna find Panto. Panto's ready on the high ground as Panto gone
Definitely 4v5 is not gonna be something that spirit will have any interest in. That's a fallback
Spirits very hesitant to step up, 30 seconds.
Now after the opening I'll get the change.
There are 20 seconds left on that Aegis though, so they don't want to throw too much onto
Skeeter.
keeping him at least a little scared
get the lane on top collapse trying to get as much farm as possible in the
meantime he still just has that hexcued up
alright Aegis reclaimed, Meryl has zero vessel charges too which I mean it's
hard to find any vessel charges in this game since there hasn't been any kill
since some time but I feel he's course wall 1
the next call is gonna be that DKB so
still definitely gonna be that issue as you said with the physical that Falcons have
and that they do have that static link that it's always gonna have to be cautious about
yeah it's gotta just have something to break it or maybe they wait maybe they do just
to farm this Lotus Orb. If Rue can get Lotus, Lotus is super effective this game, either reflecting
or protecting it. There's just a lot of different functions that it can have in this game,
sharing Yatoro's safety. So Spirit, just looking to still get these creeps. Malrin,
lingering in the area stalking Yatoro.
Malrin is close to a big item too. He's pretty close to this nullifier.
Quite a bit of a slow down here. Last kill was what, just Panto? And then the one before
that was just Mars and Panto? So things have not, yeah, for the last like 10 minutes or
so, not too many kills. Both teams content with getting that farm. Falcons itemizing from
even more physical. See, a Mar, AC queued up.
At least, let's triple physical core it. They're gonna do a lot of damage with
all these buffs. Especially if they're fatal bond on the Spirit Heroes.
I'm gonna get the jump on either that I'm just pretty split up right now
Toro trying to push up on the top lane crits got his eyes on him they're
connecting toward him everybody's coming bit of a dangerous fight for your
Toro with the avalanche as she off the mark there from Cret your Toro he's
gonna be able to get the blink off to safety he's fine. Tormenter time. Falcons
smoked up looking for the fight they have a really good lane ward they see
collapse. They want to fight this big time.
He's gonna get the top of collapse. Look at the top of collapse, they've been caught.
They've chopped down the golem, they'll take collapse out of the fight. Now Spirit they just got a TP
out of there without collapse they've got no place in the scene fight.
They got the Tormenter though so at the least TI you know the power of
TI was able to solo kill it really quickly but collapse yeah that lane
It saw him immediate jump. No hesitation on them dropping those hopes chaotic offer was used though
So he's gonna respawn and there might be a window where they want to smoke and look for a fight without that chaotic
She's a golem I should not say chaotic
What's if they do that
Let's see if they want to right because he didn't even use BKB on I don't even if he had an op a chance to
collapse even pop it so let's see what they want to do because they have
information to that word from Rue the one that's about to expire on the cliff
it gets C crit in the vicinity on the far right side where we're locked in
right now sorry so they did see some information well let's see if they do
want to force it just at the moment it looks like they're content with the
shoveling the lanes out
I'm not the best position for them to force a fight either, hard for them to get all the
way over there.
And collapse, maybe making the call.
Guys, let's just wait for my hex.
Yeah, I think that's what they really have.
I'm because you're, under them from your tourist perspective, is he happy to turn
up to the fight stage if he hears all this saying, hey, you know, let me just
continue to farm, get this butterfly?
You know, what sort of, you know, how aggressive do you think he wants to be?
I think he can I think he wants to turn up. It's also but the butterfly right now is where's he gonna put it right?
He has to replace an item
Astri
So I do feel like he's at a pretty good power peak right now
It's just the way that Falcons is kind of playing around the map. It's making it's it's causing some difficulties
And Amar he's even adapting with this build. He hasn't fully finished up the AC buys the plate now
And now he's kissing for the Lincoln's so maybe expecting a big purchase since he's I think they've been watching collapse
he's seen that he hasn't bought anything in a while so maybe maybe anticipating something like this facts
See what they can do with the extra villain and if indeed you know falcons are ready with the counter play
Because like we've seen a mar do this a lot on his Mars when he saves and buys a full heck
So there's honestly the possibilities of him reading that that type of play
If he does go for this Lincoln's
Most definitely is it's coming out. Yep. Oh, he has it. Yeah
Yeah, it's all done.
OK, yeah, that could be, I mean, honestly, pretty huge.
You might completely catch them off guard, too.
Collapse.
Did they see the Lincoln's?
I think they might have.
Yes, daytime, right?
If they clicked him, they would have.
If someone clicked him, they saw that Lincoln's now.
Yeah.
Let's see how they approach the fly with that information.
They're also, I mean, I'm looking at Meryl,
And I'm like, maybe they just finished the Shiva,
so he's 30 gold from it.
And it's a pretty huge item, but.
Oh, they're gonna back collapse again.
Crypt is in with the jump.
He's gonna get the BKB off collapse,
and we'll actually manage to turn with the arena
and the spear, but he is dead out of the fight.
Morale's gonna try and jump from the burst
on to create your turret's depth form,
we'll finish Crypt off,
but now Falcons, they're ready to turn
straight over to wash your turret,
run him out of the fight.
He'll back off, just the one for one.
One for one. Most things expended. I think some of these BKBs got held though, right?
Skeeter held his, Amar held his.
So no full commit for the fight. I think Morale was probably saying it too. He's like,
guys, I'm 30 gold from N'Shivu, so let me just finish it and maybe then we can take
the fight. But Falcons, they do at least fine. Kill out the collapse. Then this
game is neck and neck though. Continues to be less than 1k, even though this
is super farmed.
Oh, they see Monkey King.
Ooh.
We're not going to get the catch on him, though.
Since the trees, the spirit.
They're still chasing.
Ah, Yotaro's got his eyes on the snake king.
I mean, Maureen and these will have the info to get completely out of there.
Yotaro is terrifying.
Still continues to be that scary.
Swift blink is going to be the choice since we're saying you didn't really have the slots to put that butterfly in
It's maximize what he can do right now
Just get the nice one there as well the alert crippling cross bike
I like this crippling crossbow more lately in the beginning when it first was added I
Swear is like one of the worst neutral items because literally nobody ever used it
I even asked BZM at one of the tournaments and he thought is passive
So now nobody likes an active neutral already too many buttons to press in this video game. Yeah, okay
So you're Toro he takes the bash this game which makes sense, right?
He wants to just okay blow up a target right on the spot get that extra locked up to the bkbs, etc
Right when they do get the connection. So I think spirit might look for that catch again. Golem is cool down
50 seconds
Falcons. See how much of a wraparound they go for here with this smoke.
And Crispin in a vacant job of finding Collapsee to have a ton of his shots out of the road, but Cripp is in with the tossback!
They get the set of the licks, gonna be there, they roll up their rear, but the master is put in the BKB and continue to disjace Yatoro out of the fight.
He's just running the TA completely out of the team fight. The BKB now comes to an end on Yatoro.
They'll hide for now with the meld. Skeeter kills off Collapse, Maureen's ready to jump across, they're ready to finish off the kill to take Yatoro out.
I mean these sort of moves again you know crit he might die this time but the
plays that he's making the ways that he's starting these fights earlier with the
pixel of some to collapse and this time just getting the big catch getting
yatora getting over by a mile side and at that point the bikes just over you
know your tour is but nothing to do was it's a completely static thing to drain
of his damage it's pretty crazy how small little things can do stuff like
this right but it's a fact that Amar pops the illusion right the man that
sends it in, Yatoro goes into the pit, gets spotted by the illusion, and then just gets tossed and can't break the distance of the link.
He literally gets full drain.
I mean honestly, when you look at a fight like that, you're sort of saying, hey,
maybe one of the support sorceries to pick up a four-star, you know, just sort of have that extra
kind of distance creator between them. You know, an extra force in there probably would be a bit of a solution, right?
It's either you get the four, you get a four-star, but you have to pre-load as him.
You have to get the Lotus off for the static link for him to stand his ground.
If they do have that Lotus on Ru, so I mean Ru maybe had to be a little bit more heads up on the next one
But he is gearing up the force next so yeah, is it like that?
I'm sure your tour is cool and so guys like guys get worse
I think he tried to do a cute little headband play if I saw correctly from Ru
He like ran next to the headband and didn't try to push but yeah, it's not not nearly enough
I mean, that's sort of what works out when Falcons go for the sort of build and play style.
It's definitely working, especially with the execution that they're coming with in these
scene fights.
And yeah, I'm a big fan of how he does too.
It is like the other thing I'm thinking about too is maybe this Lincoln's is to block the link of the Lotus reflect
Right, like I think the Mars honestly big raining some stuff where he's not allowing your Toro to really get protected
Because if he right like if he links in a lotus goes the Lincoln's will block the reflective link
Yes, and you're sure you're still on top of your Toro. You know lose them. Honestly, I think that's a pretty big
Great, so that's what they need the forces they need that extra force
Yeah, and how close is he's gonna have it for the next fight
So at least with that they should have a solid chance of getting away between his own hurricane
pipe and then a support for staff so that the link you know doesn't at least persist for
crazy time and there is a chance that Yatora can find a way to fight back because if he's
not getting completely static link the Yatora should still be a massive threat in these
teamfights.
There's massive on the PA, 28k net worth, it's just the weather the last few played
out they've had some great answers they're going to be able to find Panto here.
I mean, honestly, I'd say Crit is the he's the one getting the job.
No, they have to be aware of where Crit is because the last three fights catching collapse or catching a tour of the star
It destroys any chance of spirit in these teamfights
It's starting to get to a point where it's it really is quite a big and it has been for some time a big four protect
One on the side of spirit versus a razor which razors like I love that
I could just drain the physical core and then we have three physical cores versus you're essentially zero in a way
So yeah, these next few fights are gonna be really complicated for spirit also because skidder has a butterfly
So now your total has inventory management issues
Yeah, I mean what does he have to do to get this MKB in?
We'll see top collapse
He can be comes to an end he'll get off at the bleak with the blink
But there's no TP of course, so I'm caught out, but he is Duke and the brother tree land. They do
I mean that they're gonna surely eventually find him he's got very little places to run to blitz back up
There is a Mars ready and wait for him. No where for claps to go
So he is dead again. I'm our unstoppable on the razor. He is having a great time
So we can see they're ready to throw up the tips to collapse
Something about seeing a mar playing the razor to it just it's bringing back to like the two years ago when they played razor every game
It's alright. Adam?
Look who blows my rainbow, Mary!
He's gonna have backup and...
Does he have the damage to kill this monkey?
He does not! He tries to TP out, but the golem's there!
That should throw it there for a hundred seconds!
Uh-oh. I mean, this game is looking way too hard for him to solo carry, honestly.
There's too much. There's the golem prevention.
There's the link. See, he's getting caught.
Even though he's so hard on this team...
He can't help it.
He's kinda stuck here, he's not in plays out,
so he's got the Lotus on himself. Doesn't matter.
Rue is gone, but yeah, I think that's what you're told we'll be telling you right now. He's like I can't carry this
There is too much
No, in fact, I mean their game plan is really clever
It's really interesting because it's quite different in a way from what we've seen sometimes from them with this warlock
But it also is it has given that reminiscent vibes of the anti-carry on a mar preventing the carried out with the ever-getting the job done
And then they just have this crazy skill in draft
Absolutely. I mean you said it right. It just feels like you can't do the 4 for
take 1 against a Mars razor. No. And even though he's honestly, you have to keep saying it,
like your Torrel is insanely farmed this game too. It is. It's pretty crazy how big he is.
Falcons definitely with their strategy, they were ready for that.
and it's a skitter approach right I will say the Black Deaths are built with the
double melee double physical course with him definitely the idea absolutely just
a little bit more sacrificial with that slow build up sort of that build up
it's gonna sort of enable the other cores around you getting that bloods
online early and it's absolutely worked out with the team five planes that
Falcons have gone for they take two sets of racks they're up 16k gold
Spirit, they're gonna have a right struggle to try and turn this one around.
It truly is where do you go from here, because I don't know now for Yatoro what he can do.
He has item issues, inventory issues, and they just have scaling issues, truly at this point, with what they're up against.
He'll sell up the treads to get the MKB in, so we'll at least have that for the next fight.
Okay, now the question is, is Snake gonna consume the grimoire of this game?
We've got a lot of stacks in there, right?
Cause right now it'll give him what? Two levels?
Uh...
I'll give him about one and a half, one and a half, yeah.
So maybe he just waits till 24 and pops, and then 25 if they do get to that point.
Closing in on the agonins as well, snaking. 3k gold towards it.
Amar gets the number aura online the ace he's done 25 on the razor
Still close yet to die for this game from Amar six zero seven
Hey, look at him. How do you kill him truly? He's got the metamorphic mandible, you know the insect
What's it? What's the actual active called pupate?
Actually pupate pupate. What does that mean 47 armor plus stealing attack speed and damage
I'm looking at
I'll never have that one.
Oh, it's when a wild silk moth hatches. So when it's a larva becomes a pupa. Ah, cool.
Makes sense. Very lore-friendly.
All right, refresher.
the
concept of a lot of land and I don't know two men double spear
and the party to just to lead to targets
to take an interview
to get the spirit like a line of the side blades and maybe
maybe just maybe but if we can get his hands on your sorrow it's gonna be game of
It's not that spear immediately, they're gonna be KB satanic and turn it kill everybody,
especially Kassel.
There you go spirit, trying to mount themselves to the final potential defense, R on the high
ground.
Hello and then quickly says goodbye.
Such a hard angle.
Yeah, they know they don't have to sort of do anything crazy here, Falcons.
They can just play pretty chill with this comfortable advantage they've got.
Yeah, just wait for the rush, pretty much.
Line's up.
It's the moonlight.
It's a brick and they catch anyone alone.
Doesn't look like it.
Mauryan was separate from the team,
but now he's back over and joining them.
And they were pinging him.
Dude, they were heading, anticipating, but...
And I will deal with the creep wave.
Got a render now on the map,
so Cam will join back with the rest of the team.
be careful how far he's coming. That is of course if he doesn't get caught. Yeah. If he steps up even
like past like a little bit further up that cobble, the cobble walk right there, I could just get
changed on. The Falcons, on the way out of the Spirit, starting to back out of this position
and TPing out. They don't want to get caught by any sort of swing across the map from Falcons.
Nice spirit means yeah it just needs to be a literally perfect team fight even
then they might not have to bring down most of them might just get counter
initiated from the golem if they do land a perfect jump
Falcon is not going to be an opportunity
and then it's a refresher and a cheese so even more survivability
the snag can get to have the refresher or not
I wouldn't hate it, but if I don't need it.
Yeah, Maaren's going to have to take with 25, so they can just double whoop-caw and some quick-offer pushes.
Careful with these remnants!
Oh my gosh, there's four remnants!
Yeah, that was full panic mode there from morale.
Jesus.
I can argue for it if there's some type of botched golem and something and he wants a
secondary counter initiative but there's no reason for him to have it in this type of
game.
He's even going to sit back, farm a hard camp, get that agonims.
Yep, he's pretty much going it.
Yep.
And this agonims nowadays I will say, this level 20 talent, the 25 moving to 20, it
He makes this agonim pretty scary, I got to be honest.
His golems become quite a bit more potent than before.
Sure, you don't have your summon golem on death at 20, which was also a nice stab on Warlock, but having your 20 timing is also really nice.
They have a block of cheese too? I think they might, and they're, okay, they're giving it to him.
They're giving it to him because he has the agonims.
Hell yeah. My boy.
Oh, this is hype. I haven't seen four golems in a program in a while.
Ooh, good jump.
First try, as soon as we started, the side collapse is in, but VKB's out for Maureen!
The spear will not latch, Maureen's ready to run, collapse back out of the fight, collapse has to back off.
VKB for their BKB there.
has a fresher but they really kind of need everything on spirit even not
having double arena to be problematic for them to get any kills yeah
on this leader the side like damage as well on this game you know how to be
sort of forced aside they're gonna drop the golems out the rally's core they've
got it with the start of the HG stand he's got five back he is out for 80
seconds he was not careful he did it insta-reminent so he actually landed
and they can just get the instant stun onto him with the follow-up.
Sum Tron pulls up the buyback.
Thanking with his Dolombs.
Just trying to keep them alive.
Kind of random into Yatoro.
We'll be able to keep the wave pushed in with them.
Mosquito...
Look at the first swipe.
And we don't get 4 Dolombs.
He passed the shard over.
I don't know, I mean, Cripp.
Come on for the toss back, they're calling you Tori!
You Tori just gets destroyed immediately!
The buyback will come up from the round.
I mean, you Tori does have his buyback available as well.
He's gonna almost certainly have to use it soon,
as Falcon starts to dive in.
He's holding back on the buyback for now.
They've got the fortification to protect the racks.
Falcon sticking around.
And there's the buyback.
The Hex opening up to Skeeter, but they don't want to throw too much down onto him.
Over the stages for two minutes.
Side-crate fights through the avalanche.
Jump forward, under-watching the tutorial.
What's the PKB?
The static thing's there.
They're trying to get him out of the half-sway,
but Yatora, he's dead.
They kill him off again.
And Marge just runs straight for him.
Yatora out for two minutes.
Valken's ready to clean this one up
with the catch collapse.
Collapse is getting pulled off to the side.
And indeed, Mark playing around with them
into the fountain, killing off,
wearing golf-like with the triple kill.
Gigi is called...
Valkans!
Fantastic fighting from this game.
And Spiritpeak, they got shaken up pretty quickly, right?
It looked like in the early to mid game, Spirit were gonna have some sort of control on this one.
Yatora was getting the free farm, but then they could never really find some sort of fight
to allow Yatora to pop off.
Valkans, they just had his number completely, and Amar, he ends the game not dying at all.
Mark played this beautifully. His razor looked like the thing that we used to see right two years ago with the dumpster with it
And just the anti-carry but also I think just great identification for Falcons
Collapsed a couple fights just gets completely combo'd and then Spirit can't take the fight because they don't have their arena
So really good identification for that to break that and then morale scan. It's pretty quiet on the Embersford
They struggled quite a lot. It really was and yeah, Chris
The initiations every single time in the title you can see why grandmaster tear that tiny really was quite something falcons
They take the win here against spirit
There was a win that is going to give them a much needed a confidence for and for coming into this best of one isn't
necessarily the worst place to be for a team, but to falcons
It's definitely not the place
They expect it to be and the fact that they could keep composure after being down in the early game
That is true science. That was a bit of a worry for us point about how is this roster right now shaping up for themselves with such a
Trumultuous dog 100% especially with a draft that is not super comfort for them, right?
They're playing here was a little unorthodox in the warlock in the case we mentioned the draft and they both played amazing
I think skitter especially on a hero as complicated and as
Specific as Kez is nothing about it
But to just wing that here right in a game that you aren't really a kez specialist, but you're able to play it anyway and did an amazing job
Casters were commenting on the Vlaads, and I think it was a great pickup that pairs really well with the right-clicking cores of Falcons
And I think it did great work. I do love seeing Pantago the leaps and bounds pass it on Marana
But we also sold the other side of the coin about picking up this bastard is sometimes you can get a little bit
over over Ega a bit jealous about jumping into the middle of your opponent so
at one point we saw him kind of leap into three of them thinking that that
bound is gonna be enough that your tourist TA would be able to do a bit
more but you kind of just end up feeding your life away a little bit and
that is also I guess a true testament to Staking's walk with the fatal bunty
goes just a little too close together and it's enough for me to be able to
something like a helping hand in a triple kill. Yeah, that's that blink in and
feed from Yatorra there ended up being a pretty pivotal moment in this game. He
over commits, he forces a kill that is simply not his. Razor has tools still in
the arsenal that his team is there to help him and he feeds that kill away and
both support style like you said due to the fatal bombs afterward and that was
really cool. So just quickly jump in because of the bloodsport facet of
Mars you can't see Yatorra inside the arena so he drops his goal on first to
and then drops bonds to get it
on both the tour and to sports.
Yeah, it was a very nice job from
Falcons in their entirety and a big
whoopsie from your tour who have been
put in a position to hey,
I'm going to take over this game.
I'm going to carry and honestly
fumble the bag.
Not something we could say very
often about your tour,
but I think he made peak form or
spirit in peak form given that
4k gold advantage after a
laning phase that Falcons the
heroes want to win right that mid
game phase.
It's supposed to be spirit
favorite and it is spirit favorite,
but they make these mistakes.
and they come back into a game that, to be honest,
I don't think it had any business coming back into.
Well, that was going to be my question.
Because we saw them really kill Tiny over and over and over again,
delay his blink dagger, does it feel like inevitable?
Tiny will eventually get a blink dagger,
and that is also a turning point in the game,
or was it at no point should Spirit even be worried
about that one item on the support?
Yeah, I mean, he's going to get it at some point,
but ideally you reach a point where if he ever blinks
point where if he ever blinks and out of tosses he dies in a millisecond and then like sure you
pressed your two spells and you died for it right tiny is support like the big weakness of that hero
is that you have eventually become a suicide bomber if the game is not going really well for you can
never actually get out well and you're still doing that yeah exactly so if it's going poorly you
might die even before you get the toss off right like you will just boom just disappear
um you're gonna be a rock but even rocks can break so i think he didn't get they didn't get to
that point right he did die in a couple of that was critical mass but he
got his spells off and then off of these fights they win he gets a four
seven of you's and these other tools I don't actually know we had this I was
thinking it forced anyway you just threw out the water you got a glimmer cave
us all across the grieves maybe even a drone holy luck if you see that it was
crazy was abused anyway keep it tight and move out and survive and get the
second round the spells off and that's where tiny becomes insanely
broken you get to play these long fights with repeated toss backs and
they were on point like I think crit carried the heft and pretty much the
entirety of all the jumps this game and it's something that he's especially good
as a specialty of his play style for years even going back to EG times so he
That's ancient ancient history. That's prehistoric history
It's suddenly different about Gigi
That's actually what he sounded like referencing Egi and Dota this day and age
I remember we invented the wheel
Come before these facets came in
Well, um, I just
I have like things going on in my eat well right now. Well, look
Let's focus on the Monkey King and Ember spirit matchup because not too long ago about 50 minutes ago
We saw the complete inverse of this where a monkey king fell apart kind of torn to shreds
Which was the Navi and game a legion matchup there so to now see it played on that
I don't want to differentiate teams here, but a tier one
Mid laner here on Mallory and off against um, you know, obviously that the stand-in and mid laner here for spirit
There was, I think, a big discrepancy in when it falls short and how you're able to come back.
I think so too. Malorin, he didn't really have those feeds, right?
He wasn't absolutely dominating the game. They were losing some fights, but it wasn't he like he was dying over and over again.
I think he may have had one death, but he goes for an unorthodox build.
I don't even necessarily know if this is the best build, but it is what Malorin does in this matchup.
He goes for the triple-rate vent into BKB. He's done it many, many times.
times it's just his build against that hero and it pays off but I think really
what sort of stings them in this game is that the build the ember goes for and
then compared to what Niku went for in the last game he went for the phase
vessel into the Shiva's Guard morale this game goes for treads vessel into
the Kaia and obviously there's a little bit of a goal difference between the
Kaia and the Shiva's but I think you look at Falcon's heroes it's a lot of
physical damage right skitter bought the Vlad's for that and you're not
really building any armor you're not gearing your line up towards the enemies
whereas I think Falcons they built in a way to help each other a lot more
crit buying helping items the warlock buying the grieves and the solar and
the flies on top of the AC eventually throw more there's a lot of physical
damage amplification from those heroes the nullifier on Malrin there's a lot
of cohesion and on the flip side morale I think showing some of that
inexperience once again with an item build that is just not suited to the
game and you can't make these mistakes in these closer games against like
you said these tier one teams it will come back to bite you and it's hard to
see the impact whenever the items weren't there right but I can very easily
imagine a game where that she was there instead one fight goes differently
suddenly tutorials top net worth instead of getting sucked down by the razor I
mean he was tech top net with most of this game this not the end sorry right
the last five minutes for wasn't actually he was not we really make
a game show whatever first shut up let's just talk about the next match up
instead. OG Tundra, take your time back because we've seen a lot of action from both these teams.
We have, I feel like a beaten-to-dead horse here, but I think to be honest I want to see like Tundra
is the favorites, right? Going into any Tundra matchup they are so good at building their
strategies and their heroes. We're going to do the same thing every game you have to break us
and they're starting to build that again in this new meta and to me it's up to OG saying
Okay, are you going to go in this game trying to break what Tundra's doing or are you going to give them their heroes and do something of your own, right?
And say, you got your strategy, we got ours, let's put them head to head.
They're going to have to make a decision on how they approach this best of three.
Absolutely, this best of one. Excuse me. Right now.
And I think it's an important one.
And I think OG is a team that has the skill to play against Tundra compared to some of the other games where people just get outskilled in the early game.
I think OG has great supports.
So I think the draft is really important.
important. Do you think OG are a little broken at the moment? They had that
phenomenal day one that everyone references going undefeated for and oh
and it's just been really hit and miss whether that's down to drop those slight
miss executions. If I'm honest I do think their vibes are a little down. If you saw
after the last win like... Post vibes? Yeah you saw your posture like he looked
he looked pretty sad and at the end of the day you get over it right time
the game. I think that's a
little bit of a big deal. I
think that's a big deal. I'm
Hills all wounds, but I do
think that on a vibe level.
Tundra is probably going into
this a little more confident.
A little more sturdy. They
are, you know, the fan favorites.
It's a blast. Tundra at least
and all guy. And oh, gee,
they know that. And so I
think they need to steal
themselves, believe in
themselves and give this a
fair shake. Yeah, it feels
like this point is, uh,
what's the three never
abilities. Death tax taxes
because we've seen weird around robins of OG beating Falcons
and Falcons beating Spirits and Spirit beating OG
and honestly a whole new three-way tie could happen.
I don't know where I'm going with this.
I'm just doling out because we have a drop
between OG and Tundra.
A lot of recipes for success on the side of OG whilst not everything has converted to
a win for themselves. It felt like they almost had it earlier today up against Spirit when they were
able to get Natsumi back on that scaling form of a carry. Of course, it's just a small misclick
with an enchantment, whether that was the real maker or breaker there. It's a whole new best of
one for themselves. So reset. You had a couple of hours. It is up against a new opponent as
well who are going to have some great target bands against you. That's something Tundra is
phenomenal width and they take out the 10. The Mars a fantastic band here just with how much
flex it has on the side of OG. Yopaj loves to run it mid and to great success. And then a Weaver
as well being taken out whilst OG. More of the Stokes. How's it going to be Stokes then? But
not really. Triant is maybe the only Stokes standard one there. Invoker of course a target
band towards Tundra. Batrider 33 has played it before to some success and then Viper being
that fourth and final first phase ban. Yeah I think this this weaver ban to me is the most interesting
of all the bans because for me this is a pre-ban for the potential brewmaster right you look at that
last little chunk there the three heroes that tundra wants to first pick they want to first pick
bat they want to first pick brew or shadow fiend and when you ban the weaver it means that if
you choose the ban batrider plus the shadow fiend and they get a brew for free it's also
really good against the batrider so standing heroes are good against each other which then
makes them opt to leave the shadow fiend which the hero tundra has shown to be
extremely comfortable on. So protecting two of the heroes that need protection and Shadowfiend,
a hero that they believe doesn't really have any counters, sort of putting OG between a rock and a
hard place, just a very cool, I think, free ban with the idea of protecting those two potential
heroes they want. Does that flex? Peerz had a couple of SF games for himself, wins there,
BGM played earlier, it was a win there, very quickly, both doing the same build,
right that magical into physical damage which is quite a lot of fun to get to see but now it talks
to you it's going to be what og wants as their building block and foundation for draw yeah i mean
it's it's a very classical counter to right click shadow fiend you steal his aura and that's a pretty
big deal it's like six minus armor and a big aoe that's very very powerful not to mention dark
Darksir buys a lot of damage mitigation and Shadowfiend is sort of a hero that his damage
is set in stone.
He is going to do a certain amount of damage and if you can get through that he's got his
ult, he's got his raises, and then he's got some right clicks.
So if you can get through that initial wave of Shadowfiend damage, then you can kind
of just get run down.
Darksir is one of the kings of long fights and with that it's stealing the minus
aura.
It's a classic counter, but against the magic Shadowfiend it's not quite as powerful.
You play the fight in a little bit of a different way.
It's easy to wall and you will get that requiem off very very quickly so not as easy to interrupt to the vacuum
So I wonder if it will still be as good as you know
We've seen it in the past or maybe some of this historical matchup would like you to believe what to see. I do
vibe that oh G see it as here they
Continuously want to play against SF that has that remnants of an old
matchup winner because they played it earlier against Maus and of course you
have to factor in a lot of things but they were very comfortable picking it in
response to Maus having an SF. Yeah it's also a hero I think that OG. And they won with it.
Yeah they're very comfortable on. Force or Niko is very very good at the
hero and I think it's also nice because first of all it gives you wave push
which is something you really want against Tundra as they're sneaking
around and pushing at these waves and farming if this early game does not go well for them.
And it gives you team fight and more most importantly it gives you scaling Darkster's a hero that scales very very well
And it enables Natsumi to play like you mentioned that sort of giga hyper carry that you get a good matchup against the shadow fiend
You've got a Darkster buffing you up and you can actually go toe-to-toe with tundra as more time passes instead of ending up in these situations
We see so frequently where the enemy team just cannot fight tundra
French
What about what I said was crunching that elaborate no no I'm I was picturing how thunder always win games and that that led me to say
Oh, no, I agree. That is cringe. You gotta lose a little make yourself feel a little human
They always say the fastest way to get hated is to
Be first that's not really how they want it, but that's how I'm gonna say it. I hate us cuz they ain't us
Now they get the jikiro with the dark sphere
So it's a classic wombo combo the vacuum into ice path macro power also another combo of old very historical draft here
We got but it's also you know in modern Dota just a very strong laner very powerful skirmishing fighting hero
And it's hard to go wrong with it really. There's not much that just outright counters to cure
There's some later stuff like the pipes and the lotuses
But you're not too worried about that when you're picking a five you care about the hero synergy
You care about that strong early game in good lanes besides that
I'm clocking out for the day. That's not it. I'm not dealing with it. You clean up the mess
I took my eight hours. I took my eight hours. I'm on my lunch break
Like a brewmaster. He's a man that likes to be off the clock at all times there and something
unusual about thunder opening up with two cores but then a Marcy coming in.
There is no question about it. This man has played beautiful Massey early game
whether it's ended in a win or a loss you cannot fault what he's been able to do with the Massey.
Definitely not, and you're right it is a little unusual for them to opt for the cores like that.
I think Brewmaster picking it right there it sort of is important enough that picking it there is good
because it's super good against Darkseer. Purging all of his auras, I mean not for Crimson anymore
for no reason, but purging the surge and also killing the wall illusions, insta killing him with
that storm burn is very, very big and helps your shadow feet out of that matchup, right? We talked
about stealing the minus aura. Well, if you just, boof, disappear the illusion, suddenly that's
gone and you've turned that matchup back the other way. So a great response and a hero that-
You don't know what about minus aura.
That's right. Rizz.
Just give it a rizz. All facts, no printer.
Anyways, it's a kez, uh, and it's Fairbreaker.
They've got triple melee dudes with the Darkseer,
and they've got a lot of heroes to shell up, to surge up.
That's what you want in a Darkseer lineup.
Of course.
Darkseer is very much an amplifier of fellow melee bros.
You sort of commit to the bit of,
we're gonna run at you, a la almost MVP Phoenix style.
You don't know MVP Phoenixes?
It's not just the way that you said it, I do,
but I wasn't expecting, I was, oh god.
But a la the Lofthoff.
Yeah.
I feel like this is even more surprising from Tundra.
I thought this would have been, of course, you like to close out your second phase, have
that pick to be a call that you get to protect with bands, but the fact that they're not
leaving that flex of the Shadow Thane open there, they're just telegraphing it, yeah,
before we left it open to the last pick.
We flexed it towards Midlane, picked up a carry for ourselves this time round.
We're really showing that we've already got all three of our cores, and it's
Now on what white moon wants it is almost surprising and I think the reason for that is probably that
What BZM only has two heroes left and if they were to leave it to last thing
Then they would have both got banned and invoker storm ember would have all been banned and then you know
What can we do from there? So?
He snatched up the storm he feels is better than the ember and now he's got one of his three years
That's actually the whole equation for don't for winning sometimes. It's just a post B is C
That's mad? Yeah, thanks.
You're welcome.
And that's what leads to a shaman, a clockwork band.
What else does White Moon really like?
I mean, there's a lot that he likes.
Marana.
I like some Marana.
I would say probably not a Phoenix this game.
Marana.
Possible.
What about Marano?
Uh, yeah, Selamander.
What am I talking about?
Oh, my god.
Ha ha ha.
Close, close.
Walruses and cats in the same animal family.
Now, what does Yopaj want?
He's playing in Storm, Ember is banned.
We saw his void spirit earlier today, looked really good, and then didn't.
But is a hero that people have picked against Storm somewhat.
Viper is banned.
Yopaj, not a big Hosskar guy, but
that's the type of hero that you could be looking at.
other classic storm punishers.
There's a queen of pain that is certainly not bad this game.
Fits into that fighting style.
You want something that, I think,
fits into that brawling theme.
There's not any hero you need to counter in a specific way.
And so I think something slippery,
something that fights well with your spirit break
and your jikiro, so you can get that skirmish
and going and stick it to Tundra.
This is a long way of saying you want blood spirit.
I mentioned it.
I think we're going to walk, OK.
I think we're going to look that out.
Yeah, it's a better landing against the storm.
So I'm a hero that's famously difficult to pressure because his mana for damage on the static remnant is just incredibly value
So you can spam that out keep getting CS with the overload giving you a free CS as well
So difficult to punish but Queen a hero that can do it because you spam him so much with the dagger
You get stick charges that you can prevent him from getting to that point where he can keep spamming off the lane
and
Tundra supports they don't do too much to you know glaze them like crazy their ability to play through the light right lanes
and now mid lane is just not an option for them to gank or play through so they'll need to focus more on those side lanes compared to helping BZM
Sorry, I'm popping out a really dumb joke in my head. I was gonna ask you what do you think is more glazed?
The tundra supports or a Krispy Kreme donut?
Tundra supports for sure
Or you could have three dozen Krispy Kremes. It wouldn't be close to white bar.
Is he better glazed that one?
That man is the glazed king
Well, let's see, uh, you know, if the Tusk is gonna be able to get as much glaze and praise for himself
You're just funny, what can I say, you know, I gotta support my co-workers
That's what I'm saying is that during this literally only two of us has the nuts because that's the last question
I'll ask before we do get the best one though. Very good. And all cope aside
I think Oji has done a good job in the draft here, and I genuinely think they have very good chances
All right, very good chances for OG.
Maybe not enough to convince the OG dadders out there.
Hopefully enough to give the OG fans a little bit to hang on to here as they're coming up against our top seed.
Our number one team, Tundra.
So let's get going into the best of one and see just how much glazing is going to come out the other end.
the game. There we go, ladies
and gentlemen, time to get into
the action of OG versus Tundra.
Looking forward to this one for
course is the panel. So we've got
Tundra at the moment up there at
the top. Oh, gee coming in with
that support star, but they
haven't a few losses since. Are
they going to be able to take
this game against Tundra? What
It's just it's gonna be constant relentless fighting. It feels like after the laning phase just yeah running with the darks here running with the
Once he gets the timing of one of the auras and looking just play really fast because they have vacuum plus ice path
One of my favorite dignitas throwback combos that we throw back to how he is he may be listening bottom bottom
Both of long reasons, but that's it strong lanes are strong
Tundra though. It's a comfort draft extremely comfort across the board everybody on like grandmasters
And yeah, people are just having difficulty beating the shadow fiend a lot of times too
So let's see if the Spirit Breaker in Darkseer can do it because it's been one of the duos that has been fantastic for a suit
Spirit Breaker in early game has always been a nuisance for SF
Let's see what we get going
Some of the bounties we need the team
I'm gonna be able to get stuck on the action
And let's see what build we get from a Natsumi right because I actually was you know
We were talking a little bit about the Vlad's build. It seems like a very skitter thing
in terms of like with his physical cores as well too looks like it's going to be the
Standard I guess we could say from the Kez's treads Falcon blade probably not a battle fury this game
Maybe just the deso. We'll have to see what route he wants to go
Yeah, I imagine those the deso should still fit the fighting style that oh you want to go for this game
And I just like
We absolutely have to talk about you know the BGM storm, right?
BZM has completely gone insane in a lot of these games and he has been giving a storm in this game where the lane can be
Yes, you know quap can sometimes get some pressure onto you
It's gotten better of course for storm with the static slide, but there's not that much disabled Owen
There's really not that much like target stun there, you know things that are really easy and that much
It's a little bit chart around into an ice bath, maybe but yeah, you're right
Well top lane we're gonna get Nico getting run down by white mod
Come white one get the job done
He's got the most speed for the tower, it's a little too much, yeah, but still, you know,
Nico not gonna be too happy, he's gonna get zoned out of that lane.
I guess he actually is gonna be pretty happy, Tim was actually able to grab the wave, bring
that round, so even though Nico's super low, he's still gonna get this wave behind the
tower.
Well, look what Pure is doing too though, so Pure is actually doing it appropriate,
he brought the wave, didn't drag it off to the tower, he dragged it behind, but
also through like the neutral path, so it's gonna deny a whole wave and perhaps make
it meet back up in any terms of that positioning, so.
Okay. And let's see, bottom, it's just going to be creep pulling, right? It's double melee
versus jikiro-kaz. You don't want to play the lane versus the jikiro-kaz. Kaz should
free farm. I've seen 33 get quite a lot out of these type of lanes when he's played his
brewmaster and he's done some pretty cool stuff. I don't know if this is going to be
one of those games with a blank orchid that he dominated with the other day, but definitely
a game for the brewmaster that has a lot of interesting mechanics. I know Quinn
talked about probably one of the main ones, of course, where you're just very good
and then they also wipe the illusions with that storm panda.
Well, we're seeing that soon, so it changes of mind, because obviously as you said earlier,
he did have the Falcon Blend treads queued up, but he's kind of, you know, he's taking
that out of the quick buy, so he might still be considering his options on what he wants
He wants to rush us that first item, but for now he'll get the bloodstone sent out on top of finishing the wand.
Yeah, maybe if he's like, I'm laning versus nobody, maybe it will be.
Battle here, even though I don't think the battle through fits their idea of their game.
I think their idea of the game is like really snowballing in front of them.
BZM.
Bit.
Gonna get caught by the charge from Tim, he's coming in with a rotation.
Ah, he's gonna come over to try and help out.
Won't be able to do anything to stop Yopatch from getting that first blood, taking BZM down.
almost got the deny to be honest really close are you getting that punch good
charge from Tim's he's done this a lot on his third breaker in these games just
unexpected most people are you know nothing around playing in it or playing
versus so catches you off-guard next play
I'm back at the top and obviously yeah one of the luxuries of playing with
this dark scene Nico should be able to hold his own with the shell spam
This is a great aggressive duo, especially once the iron shell gets a few levels in it and you pop that on to Tim's. Tim's can go for these sort of ganks.
They're going to be pretty brutal at the pre-level six moments for BZM. Tundra have to be very prepared for those sort of plays coming in.
Level two iron shell can be very good.
Kill it. Sure, I think this is going to be much more complicated this game in terms of going aggressive top because the tusk is there.
Yeah, looking for kills on the other lane to charge Ion Shell, definitely a capability, especially mid, if they could get this level advantage for Yoplas, it could be pretty huge, so probably an idea that they wanted to have to co-op with Spirit Breaker.
I'm gonna need sort of a super fun early game for BGM. So far, even though the death is handling it well, he's getting good farm against the co-op in the match-up.
But yeah, dealing with the dagger spam, dealing with the constant threat of the Spirit Breaker hitting your way. And BGM's got his work cut out on this laning stage.
Yeah, we should actually I'm sorry. I should have really mentioned this but the reason Tim's is doing this is he double-p-worded, right?
So both those ops words that BGM had to try to protect him weren't taken out because Tim's found them.
So it gets him that option to go for these types of aggressive places. There's no vision.
So because I was I was very thinking I'm like usually people work like this.
So I'm like looking at the centers and I'm like, oh, yeah, well, he actually just found both the ops words.
What am I?
Now see me and scam go for the kill. They're gonna get it. Ari taking out.
Top, pure, the damage is starting to add up.
The charge is coming in.
They're ready to go in under the tower and Niko surges forward, closes in on his gear and there's no one ready with the TP to come and help out.
That's pure gone and at the same time, Natsumi and Skenn, they push beyond the tower, they take down 33.
Ah, he's turned up. I don't know if he can fight against these two.
Natsumi and Skenn, they might just kill him as well. They will. They will.
another oh gee getting kills across all fronts I mean anybody to get white one
tundra they're losing here after here after here after here potential get the
shots off but Nico is still looking for him. Why Monk? He looks like he's well no
Nico might survive it. Okay, why Monk's gonna get the chance to live but it's
getting a bit hairy in this area they won't finally manage to get themselves
I was just actually skimmed down the tower that yeah not that that doesn't
Encounters yep, but yeah, I'm not on the mid joke. I jumped in aggressively. He might just have easy up solo
He does your best gets to kill. Oh, gee. They're ready to get the show started
I mean we said this lineup is all about run at you right with the darkshear the spirit break group of my goodness
I can't believe bottom opportunity top also
Oh my god, it's just there. Oh gee, let's put the fast forward on speeding it up
And all this is like these like little things right Tim's running over and getting double
d-warded forcing a movement because whitemon actually left the top lane to go check to
see what was going on sentry etc and in that time that's when pure the iron shot started
to build up.
This is super heads up moves and a lot of it is because of Tim's little move.
Look at this is what they want to go for BZM again.
He's not sick yet.
Niko Tim's coming in but TP's there from Jokai's he's ready to off at the burst
he's going to be BZM dead.
Wow.
Wow.
Three deaths now BZM.
I mean it's time to they've got to find some sort of way to slow this down
They'd oh, she's done this a lot with their darks here where they just steam roll in the early game and dark see overall as a hero
He's not really about that steam rolling early game
It's usually you build up to those auras and then you get the bull runs, but if you happen to have an early game
Have to look down
Not quite the damage, but still it's gonna have to be 33 holding back for now it don't and they up they get in
They're here with the Damper Flight damage ring on your patch.
Taking down R8.
You can get some good damage done on the Tier 1.
It was 6 minutes in. OG's already taken the Tier 1 away from the safe lane.
They're ready to start taking away the Tier 1 away from the mid lane.
But this pressure, it's not stopping.
DCM's still 5.
And it's not even like he's 5 about to be 6.
He's 5 in a good full creep wave from 6.
And they're also-
Look at Tim's.
Look at 33.
He's everywhere.
He's gotta be careful how he shows.
They've all died for Tier 2 Tower Frame if they won.
Obviously seven-minute wisdoms coming up so they'll be happy to sell for that one instead
We'll see PZM and RE finally able to punish your place. They needed that big time like that
So that's a big kill to get there killing your page off
Terms of the Shrine of Wisdoms of course, oh gee, they will manage to take both of those for themselves
Wait on
It'll be okay. I did oh and the damages done a lot of the damage is done at this point in this early game
This is a syrup farm that they have on the co-op and the case who the case if the storm is having a hard game
Who's gonna gank the case?
There's not really much availability, so it's gonna give a lot of freedom
to Natsumi, to kinda go as he pleases in these next few moments of this game.
Impressive stuff from OG in this early game.
Tundra, have to just, yeah. You have to jungle for BGM, get some catch up.
Unfortunately, it's also jungle for the brewmaster to catch up and...
I mean, pure...
They may actually have to all up at the jungle pretty early on. He doesn't want to, of course, on the SF.
He wants to still have at least some laning pressure, but could just get gone on.
He has good ward coverage, but yeah, that's very difficult to show on lanes against OG right now
33
No pressure is gonna go for the chase on to Ari charge from Tim's heading the way of pure top and Ari
And he will fall as a scams gonna be there to shut off his escape
And now with this hey show but she's ready to turn the strength to a player top
It's coming in with a haste screen. He's got sonic wave of the ready pure has to run
He's going to look for Weymond, he's going to look toying with the idea of going for a
requiem.
So he cannot do anything to save the Tusk, that's why Musk outstrips when he comes, they
quickly take him down.
BGM is watching from the side, but there's just no way ready for him to get involved in
this.
I mean they bring in CPs in, this is a hard fight for Tundra to take, maybe they
feel like they have to take the risk, they're going to try with the first on towards
Joe Pipe, they can't quite get him, he hit the blink off, they're going to get
But the solid way to push them back with BZM is having the vortex off in time.
Tough calls to make from Tundra, but this one works out.
They know they have to try for these risky sort of responses.
They get another big kill. They take Yo-Pesh down.
At this deficit, I don't blame them for bringing, honestly, the squad, right?
Bring 4-5, protect Pure.
At least he's having some decent farm on the SF, so protect him
so that he can still continue this.
So I actually quite like BZM.
It sounds weird, but I quite like BZM doing that sacrifice.
Plays inside, jumps in, gets a kill and gets out, uses his whole mana for it.
Now he might die.
Tigers connects, wasn't able to dodge it.
And I think as soon as you make the good play up top, he's got enough to get under the tier 2.
For the charge connects, no more mana to get away from Tins.
It's going to be easy end dead once more, Tins now having the level 6, so these aggressive charge plays in the Nether Strikes are going to be super difficult for Tundra to deal with.
And now he can chain lockdown one of these heroes before they can actually protect themselves either yes
Up with the requiem or the storm with getting the zip he might be able to just lock them down
So BGM has to get the zip through the charge to protect himself
There's a phenomenal start here really for OJ and as you said, this is before Darkseer
Before the usual moment where Darkseer's really start to become that super scary here to play against
Cueing up that pipe
Auri is looking to be in a bit of danger here unless he retreats all the way and it looks
like he will sort of stay around the safety of the tier 2 and they're not quite at a point
where they're ready to freely dive the tier 2's OG.
Tundra just has to play like this actually.
It is just the day after all his jungle creeps.
It doesn't feel great ever to have to do this but I think Shung and Lane's kind
of suicide unless you can bring the entire squad.
So yeah, their storm's gonna hit the right side, SF's gonna hit the safe jungle, and then the brew will do a little bit of a riskier farm as he's king of that Midas.
Tundra they need time.
And of course they are, they're very good at making that time a reality.
They've seen it many of the times, sometimes the teams will get this fast start against them.
Tundra are very good at slowing down the pace, getting the chance to farm.
Especially at the last.
Something about blast
Tundra probably see how pressive og wants to play because we do see the stack starting to be made from tundra
So let's see if og wants to keep that ball rolling since they do still have the same level six as you are mentioning
Sonic wait us up
timings are good
I assume about 600 off having the Deso.
Charge coming in onto Whitemont.
Tim's in there soon he'll want to try and make the play.
Give him some safety and it's enough.
Tim doesn't want to commit to the Navistrike.
Notice there's a high chance the pack up would be behind Whitemont.
this reaction from white money only had like a split second to be able to click it
there with the window that he had so but more and more stacks being made so
Tundra preparing themselves for that but the gold lead actually continues to
grow for OG for now at least with the pace that they can get that farm
James
look at 33 but yeah just trying to tease out a reaction serious follow up with
them for now.
So OG?
Okay, I guess, yeah, wait for the timing of the pipe, and then maybe that's when you just
full force it, because there is still quite a fair bit of teamfight on the side of Tundra
if they are able to just wreck William plus Bruce Blade, etc.
Right, just the natural spells can come into play.
If there's a pipe, that wreck William and the storm are also pretty answered, so they
might just wait for that because they have this fantastic opening to the game.
I think that's the deso done, so that's gonna be completely standard build, that we have
seen.
Three of them down here.
I'm looking towards Tim's, but they could try for something with the two of them,
BZM is gonna go for the setup.
Tim's caught by the punch.
BZM bringing in the burst.
It's enough to get the kill. BZM have to use a lot of mana for this.
Shouldn't have enough to get out.
So get away and just out of range of potential stunning with this.
They're still looking to see if they can chase on forwards.
But BZM should be fine.
It's a way of going for that sort of play, getting out of there.
I mean, Tundra they are doing a real good job
of just finding these sort of chances to sort of punch back just a little bit
And make sure the OG, that sort of initial burst out of the gate that we have from OG, getting these kills across the map, it has been slowed down.
Small gains, right? Now the wisdom though. Shrine, Niko is here, doesn't have the full pipe. They've got their ults.
MZM.
Just trying to set the fight. McAvoy's laid down to get the three man back to Moolay.
Oh my god.
And it's a fighting wave from the opage.
That's two, three of them dead. Beautiful. It's a straight up team wipe.
I love Jekiro Garcia man. I mean that's the classic combo coming in there and my
goodness they just melted it. Absolutely. See it again. Oh what a beauty.
Macro pie laid down nicely in advance the vacuum gets him back in on it wall
on the three of them sonic wave onto the three. Oh and you know that was our
you know the old that's it the old dignitas classic meme, but it is one of the most important team fight combos in the game
And it has been for a very very long time and it perfectly executed. He's got four points in the vacuum, too
This is before their pipe
Yeah, that's really taking a team fight is not gonna get it's not gonna be easy for tundra any time soon
No against this one bow from OG
It really just hit the creeps, sometimes it does happen, as you said, they've been able
to recover a lot of games like this, but this one, this one feels like it's at a level up
almost, because there's this also, this Darkseer versus the SF, who's the carry SF.
So you're going to be able to throw that wall on, even though pure build is a hybrid
build, it's crazy how long it is.
He tried to go for Natsumi there, but Natsumi, he crashed all the buttons, he like
Get some little parrying, some silence, it completely caught BZM off guard.
Oof, very nice reactions from that Sumi.
BZM has had zero galvanized.
That's a tough one. And especially for BZM who's...
He's had some incredible performances here.
But this game... I mean, oh gee, they came in with a game plan.
and they're like, how can we make this midslife a misery?
Let's run some storms, so it's a spirit breaker
and have that just constant threat from Tim's
across the map, which really did cause a lot of problems
for him at the start of this game.
BZM and he's gonna have a long road to recovery.
Now patch in with the Sonic Wave,
already it's gonna get burnt down by the macro player.
Yeah, this was, I mean, this seems like it's the OG,
like we've seen a lot of different drafts,
OG are crazy amount of different heroes,
But this seems like they're bread and butter with the Darkseer.
EZM?
They seem so comfortable with it.
Gives Timm full freedom. And honestly, Timm's getting that double D-Ward at the start of things,
being able to get these constant charges. Like, these things really matter in the game.
That spear break is crushing it.
It's looking very, very good in the hands of Timm's.
Is he the only one playing actually?
I think they're the only ones playing Darkseer, so I think it's probably...
Yeah, so they have three wins dark seer and then spirit breaker
I click on add what have I done?
Spirit breaker is lost one for one, but it looks it looks really strong honestly it has its moments especially into shadow fiend
Can always have those moments in the early game
8k lead
I mean the other thing too about their heroes is um like with this type of lead playing versus
brumaster the bruce blight will die oh they can kill it yeah no heartbeat so you know all
for the teamfight prowess of the rules they're ready to go for pure he's trying with the
requiem but tins is in with the charge so never strike not see me brings in the damage
Cure's gone.
Ari won't be able to TP outback him.
Not quite there inside, Nika did try.
Same time they're looking for the play on Jopash.
Maybe they can punish the QWAP.
Let's have a look.
And then he's going to get the stomach wave and the blink off.
Can these three actually kill him?
I mean, Ari's just dead.
They'll use the slip, but blinks back up.
They'll have to punch for a little bit of control.
But backup's coming in from the scam.
He's got the ice pop and the macro pie ready to lay down.
Jopash is perfectly fine, and White won.
and he'll die as well.
And even 33.
Yeah, Tim's is ready to cut him off
as the final split comes to an end.
They found the brew.
Tundra, they just can't make anything happen
on the map right now,
even in the sort of 3v1 initial situations,
Oji's just completely crushing them.
You know, we've seen Tundra work the magic
in recovering games,
but this, I mean, it really is truly feeling
pretty impossible.
It's like Mount Everest to climb,
because you'll probably, as you said, 3v1,
but he's got 2,000 HP and the damage is...
I couldn't kill him, it's really limited.
Very nice moves from the other patch.
Oh, nice.
What do we got?
He's gonna have to queue up the lock-in.
The TI lock-in.
Lock-in!
Okay.
I mean, well, it's certainly easier to say, well, there's a sort of period where we still couldn't do this,
minute kind of fell out of favor or what was going on only museum I don't know I
if the manner we did equates to I did the math on it before oh yeah but the
charges got up yeah yeah but Tim's gonna look for action here he's gonna try and
help out in response just get the grab on to Tim's you'll get a kill he's
able to take Tim's down but at the same time 33 destroyed once more by now
Assuming, really getting the Desperate Chargers up now, up to 12 stacks on it.
The BZM's supposed to be careful top, he does have the shield, but there's so much explosive damage, has to back away.
Okay, blink on pure.
I mean, this, if anything, this has to be their, you know, chance to be able to do something here.
They can get some type of stun combo with the Requiem.
Maybe that'll be the burst damage, but again, not only into Aegis, but they're playing into Pipe and a 2200 HP quad with Bombage.
Yeah, that's Anki and it's got so much damage as well. Oh gee, you know from this sort of advantage
Oh gee can very easily take the scene fights
And they're just in their element as well, you know when they're sort of playing this fast this sort of chaotic
It's just hard for any of the teams to match even no tundra top of the groups right now
They're struggling to match this
They absolutely are. I mean we even see Yoppa
He buys an early shard to which I really like this game the little silences versus the storm
So this is a tundra. They're smoking. They have their timing around the blink on pier
Let's see if they can get them some of these the big kill on a core
Yeah, what walks to what they look for some sort of vortex into the requiem
Vortex set up throw it with Ari. Yeah, just throw that rug. We've at least not just get a point blank onto a core. Yeah
Can they find that opportunity then they're not going in the direction of anyone right now
It's also like they I don't think they can really do it in terms of a team fight
I was more thinking like a small little
Team fight it could get cancelled very easily
BZM
He's getting caught on the Z2 tower he was not expecting them to come in from that angle
He just gets 100 to 0 and now they can look for more here
Tundra they've got to escape
Here? Yeah
They have the TP before they catch wind of it
Okay an R2 and they will steal the shrine so they do get at least a double shrine of wisdoms there with a play
play, but yeah, losing BZM again, still two Galvanized.
He's not having a game whatsoever.
No charge, wait long.
We'll continue it.
33.
33. They've got their eyes on him there. Natsumi. Ready to go from again, immediately has to
come up with a primal split. Primal split. There's indeed a lot of damage, we'll get
the windpanda out and the other panda also will survive, so he'll be fine. Just being
forced to use these splits defensively in a lot of these situations. Anyone shows
and they ran at instantly. Look at top of Kes. Can't quite close the gap, but yeah it's literally a
split second they show on the wave and I just see a spirit breaker charge at Kes's surge to start
immediately running at them. So a limited space for Tundra.
Another one already shows bottom for a quick second under award. Instant charge.
Another one for Tim's and Nika.
Is that the second aura? It is. So now they have Crimson, they have Pipe, both of them
undispellable now as Quincean. No idea why Crimson is now undispellable but Brewmaster
can't do his thing where he primal splits and gets the Disco on any of them. So yeah,
very effective this game that it's going to have that coverage versus the limited
damage already at the time, Brody.
And Tetsuya and the men's gonna get taken out.
And with that, Natsumi's gonna be pretty close to working on the BKB.
Does he have the other components? I think he does, Brody.
Yeah, that's the BKB.
BKB for Natsumi, BKB.
Relatively close for Timm.
Now, he's going on the way towards here.
of triple bkb one of them is not a cap or and then they have double oras and then they
have a bus on scams so they laterally have everything while on tundra it's like zero
oras they're going for the sheepers but it's gonna come late he's gonna of course they
do his walking build that he likes to have that extra heal I'm not sure I'm not gonna
go too into it right now oh gee they're at absolute peak strength why mom Tim's is
coming for him. He can start solo killing with an iron charge. I'm not able to block him off with the
Pishad. The nether strikes there. We'll get some time here in the snow before Yo-Patch is around
to make sure the job's an easy one. Instant charge onto BZM. Literally immediately when the target
dies he's like all right next target we'll get the connection but map yeah
continues to do a very small
I'm in tundra what ever they got any sort of next big I'm around the corner
pure has his BKB it's that and plus the shevos on BZM but again it's it'll
make the fights a little bit easier for them but with what they're playing
against it doesn't feel like the piping crimson cover the bases and then
just the high physical damage that they have to clear the rulings is enough I
mean 33 does have the ag so he does have a you know level three split now
early on so let's see if it can do something
and they somehow break this OG this OG strength it's been here for the first
25 minutes. Got the smoke at the ready if they want for the play. Oh that's a
cute pickup for Natsumi too. I like it, the blink. Some of you don't see too often on
Kez, but when it's all about the combo play, just blink in and follow up with the vacuum
pretty easily.
Go. Charge in. I'm gonna get up on the two to pull straight away. That's gonna be right
one dead. Ahri's in trouble. Tins, he's got his hands on pure. He's gonna be able
to sort of force PSF out of the fight. Yagashin and Niko hard to chase. Look at the
Back to more downpour, put the BKB and the red bin, but that's just no zombie KPI, he's just able to just take downpour through it all.
And now BZM, he gets caught by the balance of the silence, that's Zuby, closes in on a Gisby jump, follow up on Tim's.
BZM dead once more.
Tandred, they just can't do anything.
They can't do, oh Jesus, too prepared.
The whole game, the ward vision, the coverage, Tim's de-wards, no one can move.
Look at this, 33 shows for a second again.
Trying to be safe.
Now they're gonna get him as well.
He's gonna try for the TP, but back him into the charges there.
OG just continuing to rack up the kills in Tundra.
Just nothing, nothing that they can achieve right now.
Not really easy with the blink.
He's gonna fight Wipe on God Blight now, on the Kez.
I think this approach that they have is just really clever.
I think they've definitely found out in like an architect that works versus Shadow Peer.
At least for them.
See now for everybody, but this is not your spirit breaker and spirit breaker in the past
has always ruined Shadowfiend.
This one I mean, you're seeing similar things.
Great stuff coming out of them.
I love this co-optic to ground things out to with the spirit breaker.
This is a Rax.
Easy, eh?
I'm gonna try and get them off the barracks.
It's gotta be caught.
Now soon we get sort of this blink of bashing of silence onto the storm.
They will fall, they get the full set of racks bottom.
They're running to connect top, Pure's already charged, he showed.
Hope he can be back up in a few seconds, but as we're seeing, even if that's there, they
kill him so quickly.
They're trying to blink back, but Yo-Page and Tim, they get the jump bottom, let the
Netherside control, back him onto the two of them, that's Pure out for a minute.
33's caught by the silence, now she's chasing him down, 33, what matters to get
the split off?
Can they actually do anything with this?
Look at the ward scan, but yours are out for Niko.
He's been to support safe.
BGM tries to recover now, assuming that the BKB Ragnar is immediately there.
Turns with a bash in the silence.
Whitemon won't be able to pick him up in the snowboard, but by some safety for him.
Requiem on towards Niko.
They tried to get the Darcy, and they will kill Niko.
So, all things considered, it's something here for Tundra, but they had to use the QFI back.
They get a couple of kills, which is, you know, more than they've been able to find pretty much the last 20 minutes or so,
but it does cost them the pure carry buyback it kills any of his growth completely
and I'm still ready to go on him yeah they don't even care they can do this with three heroes
they don't need the full team up right now with the loot they have so pure's gonna be very careful
about showing whoop that's nearly nearly getting vision of him there but he seems to be trying to
zip forth and when he's trying to punish her if he lets the force that's on towards him
they'll kill him that's a big one here for tundra they might just get tins as well they will
Alright, with that all said and done with those two kills on top of it
They will not feel too bad about that hold at all, Tundra. They were at the moment where
Yeah, I lost fight up in that top lane could have meant the game was over but Tundra they keep the game going they're holding on
I was pretty clever playing Yopah's
Pushing the limits a little too hard there jumping forward kind of he kind of knew they were there too
But did not respect the damage they can deal pure did have I think one of the last of presents facts
Rush, it did not instant spawn, it would have been phenomenal.
Yeah, that would have been huge for Tundra.
Yeah, but indeed with the timing it's going to be up at the same time that OG will have
everybody back on the map.
Tundra, they want to try and go for another play before OG have to fight Matt up.
BZM.
Going to look for the catch on the scam.
Kira and Ari bringing in the control on the damage, Kastim is ready to go, then
try and turn it, but already that's going to be a dead Jikiro.
Ari, he'll survive, gets away from the illusions, Kastim tries to chase, but looks at BZM,
now turns into tension over what's white one goes for the easier kill first
it's giving BGM Ari and pure though the chance to run Tim's gonna go for the
chase BGM he did you use all his manner down that first zip so unless his team
can fail him out he's in trouble all the teams coming in with the backup they
will kill Tim's off and BGM he'll get enough mana to jump away from that
Sumi BGM will live pure come to the requiem they got the stud out from the
primal split off towards now Sumi he'll back off for now hit and the cover
of the veil, looks towards Ari, but Ari with the Yul's controls here but holding that sumi back,
jump for Niko though, Niko will still finish the jump and chase Ari down.
Niko got the gem back too. They tried to keep that one on their side, on the side of Tundra,
but do end up getting chased out. BGM also ends up getting finished off.
Small little mechanics, small little plays that they're actually stopping. The vacuum,
stopping a couple of these rebound plays from Ari, also the sonic wave. I think that's
three times in a row that I've seen them prevent the chain stun with one of these
uh repositioning and now amp damage they'll be able to go for that rush
yeah they go they go they go without the storm not really any sort of chance of going for a steal
they're not thinking OG but that was pretty crazy trying to be able to do things like that at this
deficit yeah no some signs of life not a lot of signs and little signs little signs of life
you know overall the show still continues in OG's favor they've got the russia they've
They're ready to run it down a lane and go for round two, but despite everything else going on, you know,
Tundra's still showing they've still got a little bit of fight left in them.
The only big, I mean, not only, one of the big issues is that they don't really have a carry, right?
Jarrus is on the fresher. So he's like all in on this spellcasting teamfighter. So their right-clicking core transition is...
You don't have to come later, maybe. I guess I have to YOLO on those big teamfights and requiems, I guess.
So this guy's gonna kill him in literally one second, he's gotta fatal us now, so.
Set up around top.
I'm looking for-
They're on one line though.
Yeah, they get out just in time before he might have found them.
Let's zoom in and look in to try to catch them off guard in case they were running
back.
It'll be the case, though.
Roger.
Gotta stick his five.
Gotta put it very careful, be ready for these charges.
Got a full hex for Yopas, it is, okay.
His brewmaster has to be very careful with the split,
has to get it off pretty early.
does have refresher but has committed the gold so if he doesn't get that split off
he's disastrous he's level 18 so level four split is online
see if they can find the angle with these double refreshers
this guy comes out
I'm going to go for the shot, they're going to look towards you and push the BKB off.
Try to wait until they take down the Shakira, but Scam is going to immediately respond with
the buyback.
They split from 33, sort of pushing by Yopash.
Assume, and he's still fine to go, so let the edges, so let the BKB play careful
for now here, OG.
I'm back on the camp.
Here we go.
Gonna try and get the cast off some Niko here once more.
Bring him down, Freyla.
Don't kill him.
Now Natsumi's ready to get in.
Goes into the BKB and slicks straight towards Pure.
Wants to try and stomp up the SF.
Pure trying to get away from this cast and a manage to do so.
Now hold back Natsumi.
Natsumi now turns into a general BGF.
BGF's having to get the TP off.
He's out of there.
Pure into the tree line.
He'll hit the Rekwim.
Pushing them back.
They're killed.
control on the Timbs they take Timbs down as well, Tundra. They really are and they might
just fight the Kers on top of it all now. Subi is going to get interrupted here by the
Sun 33, that's an Aegis guard. They're ready to look for round two as well. He'll get
the blink on. He's going to try and get away here with the wrapped darts. They've
got the gap close. And with his BKB on cooldown he's got the maps up but he might have
just impressed at the four takes controls there it's a team fight despite everything this is
crazy stuff tundra making these fights work despite the whole game everything being in oji's
hands these last few fights it's just i mean when you look at what's going on what what's been
going wrong for oji and these in this sort of fight what were mistakes being made was he
just straight about play it did seem rather split right now and that's to me he was really trying
They're trying to chase Pio out to the fight, whilst the rest sort of got left behind.
They're getting the wraparounds, truly is what it is. They're stopping the combo.
The combo from OG is the vacuum into ice pad. They killed Scam, reset Scam by his back, and then the Darkseer's low HP, they continue chasing.
Honestly, it's just God-tier spellcasting from Tundra, but they're also breaking positioning of OG.
This gold lead is completely gone.
It's pretty much gone.
Yeah, considering the situation that the game was in earlier, it's getting up towards sort of like a 20K lead, but then now...
Wow and you know it is time to when they start to swing the game back their way
They normally end up winning it. You know, this is what they're the best at
You know that just the amount of kills the amount of control of these had all game and
Tundra, maybe they were never really even breaking a sweat
They knew that all it came down to was these careful executions of the team fights at this point
And and now the game. It's absolutely in their hands just as much as it is. Oh geez. Yeah
Yeah, I mean these refresh rate purchases right the fact that they're also get the 33s also having a double split a double record a double bkb
Right, you can see the kez was like I'm chasing with this ages
I've got here and then he refreshed bkb's presets and now he actually has the damage item to
Now he's right here on top of things Wow this if this is a full combat this is
Unbelievable really. Yeah, it's really looking like it
I'm an OG that they've got to go back to trying to find this massive team fight one more combo
But as you say, Tundra, approved to be so good at not letting them find that.
They need to get the jump first themselves. They have to be like prepared with the smoke camping around a ward, get the charge that they were before.
Alright.
BZM to look at the recovery he's made. Parasma's done. N'Shiba's of course from earlier.
Looking to meet up with him. They've got Wardvision. He is charged. Pure is not super close right now.
Totally set away.
This is truly incredible. And refreshers, yeah, they're gonna have double ults every single time.
Yep. They're actually, they need to get, it does feel like now they do need to get that Link Womble Convul pretty well, pretty effectively too.
Like a level, so let's take a look at them, right?
We can glance at those in some time.
It's 25 on pure, 22 on the storm, 21 on the brook, they're complete, gold at XB, even.
That's undrapped, I mean at this point they can kind of just sort of chill and wait for
Oji to come to them if they want as well, I mean, they're not in any rush to close
this game up tundra. You can feel the posture completely of OG be like oh god. What's the
next move? Completely changed. Yep. Refresher's done for Natsumi and he has it 25. So maybe
they're still gonna take it and we'll go for it. They need that one bow combo. They need
to find it. Tundra smoked up also and 25 as you said on here. And he does have
the data list so the damage has gone up drastically for him. And thrown the same
waters before.
Weimond. Weimond vision down.
No pressure to jump on the BGM to look for the backlight.
So let's still try and poke it, not to sue me now.
I'll fall back to join the respite team.
The solid mine is going to get dropped down.
Snowball there providing safety for Weimond.
Pure.
It's pretty soon as he's walking on the front.
blink off before the ice bar connects it's bkb it's isonic way super low
doesn't matter but bkb used for yopage 100 did not really react to it
whatsoever
rush next big point of the game about 30 seconds until we do find out
I
Know I imagine what oh G they'll
Put him in the cool woods away from that brush
Because obviously trying to take a fight around that more confined area could work for the benefit
If they do catch sundra
They just have to get the initial they have to get the initial go really the initiation just has to be from them
It's another BKB. I'm gonna be popular
Tim's having a run
He's easy at him.
Well, okay, he's completely out of mana for that though.
Yeah, I actually like this one first, Ernico.
He's going BKB next, I think he does need it.
I was thinking maybe even Aeon disc.
I just want them to have something that prevents them from getting just one shot
combo because that's what Tundra's looking for is just deleting one of these with
the Requiem.
So either BKB or Aeon to protect the Darkseer, because he is, him and the Jekyll are so important.
BZM.
Put their eyes on him.
Tanks with the Shadowblade setup, gets another strike, hopefully now soon he brings in the damage, but the Snowball saves their Whitemon!
Comes in with the Snowball!
He's gonna give them a bit of a chance to lift BZM's out of their Whitemon, won't play the prize, but he bails BZM out!
Yelpush! Missed time there with the Sonic Wave too, unsure if he would even get the kill there on BZM with the extra heals, but,
misses that timing there.
So Tim's is now approaching it differently. Did you see what he did there?
So he charges, gets in close enough, but he knows he can't just go straight for the charge.
He has to do the ult plate to get the catch, because there's vision itself.
Changing the dynamic in terms of how they're looking for the catches, but still doesn't work.
Over ready.
One second.
I mean, you'd imagine it for OG, it's not a terrible time to try and force the fight again,
because white ones not alive and his snowballs say it's happening quite
and nuisance for the way the og wants to try and jump thunder very true they
might have to be a little more hesitant on the ice path on the way out of the
snowball yeah yeah it's not easy to do by any means and it's hard to hold ice
path but maybe it's something that they will try for the next go if they can
get a charge or a spur breaker ult into a hex and then they do the
after which follows with the ice path. Hard to sequence, but charge coming in for BZM.
Just got the backup behind him. They want to look to try and force the Roshan now.
Should do it pretty quickly, we're now zooming. Looks like the two scouts are fully commit though.
They know that this sort of play is going to become an infant tundra. They do not want
to get caught in the pit. They want to be in that favorable position on the high ground.
and that's the BKB for Niko.
Okay, let's get the jump on Tim, Simms.
He's being caught by the backup from Simms.
He'll get the BKB up.
They'll tell him it was BZM.
BZM gets away pure.
They'll get him, and he's getting caught by the pastures.
They've got the damage to stay pure down.
Pure will fall.
Think of the hex on the ones.
BZM, BZM has to zip away.
He'll go for the TPL.
He'll get out to fight.
OG 33.
Back to finding the kills that mattered.
Indeed, the primal split coming to an end here.
He'll try and run.
The Sonic Blade trips up towards Ari.
Ari in trouble.
33 is going to get run down by now.
He's not able to get the second split-off. He's dead.
OG, they make the fight happen once again. This time around, they get that big gap.
They're able to get on top of Pure. They might even get more here with Tim's charging BZM down.
BZM has got just enough mana to get out, but killing Pure, everything was just thrown down onto him.
And of course, they have to damage. They do have the ways to kill him out through that BKB.
They got the initiation, they got a pretty perfect start to that fight to be honest.
It was BZM, almost no mana, zipping around, he was really um, Ari had to pull reset out
of position, and when Ari pulled reset them out of position, it went pure jump, so miss
synergy coming up from Tungent, OG just literally took 5 heroes hitting the SF.
Ask the first buyback here, pure, just gonna drop it.
Long zip.
No respect for that buyback, they didn't want to push around any more, they'll
back off, they're more than happy getting that one big buyback out of pure.
OG, reclaiming that footing.
Level 25 now on the clock, four refreshers we saw from before.
Get those connections, can still see the OG.
It's incredibly powerful, just under.
If they can also get the connections can see how they can wombo carbon combo and save and perhaps turn these fights brew of lads now picked up
Pure has to just yeah have more protection that was just yeah, you just miss energy and just jump in by himself
Of course with the buyback done he's trying to spend up to get that swift link, but it's just still about two hundred and a bit gold away
I mean I'm pretty sure that they saw they see the presence they say I'm pretty sure at least on the creep wave because they're painting it
If you see right now look at the radiant creeps like the sfs aura was on them
And the brush back do they want to try something for the five time here
The arm is pretty important for information
Ojii continued to be very careful about this.
They don't really have life steal so they can't actually full-commit it to that rush.
He's gonna go back in now.
And they get a steal play, Tundra.
There's the 5-up from VZM.
They don't want to let Ojii get this rush out.
It is very low.
And there's the PKB play.
Piers is gonna go for it.
Judges in with the Requiem, wants to try and force the back.
Go for this, but Niko, he's in.
They're gonna make the jump forward.
Pure will be able to pick up the Aegis.
But that's BZN.
Die back.
He's out for two minutes for that move.
No storm.
So OG, they can continue to clean this up
and likely look for Pure a second time round.
The bash comes in.
No TP out for Pure as Pure will fall.
His buyback's still on cooldown.
OG, they'll take the Roche fight.
And with both of the big cores dead, without buyback, it's going to be a tough hold for Tundra.
And indeed a hold that they cannot do. GG is called. This game goes to OG.
Tundra they put up a good fight towards the end.
But OG overall getting things going back their way after steamrolling the early and mid game.
They'll take the win at fault.
I still have to give so much credit to Tundra.
maybe we can, you know, if we go back and look at what happened entirely with OG's positioning,
maybe we could have some more critiques toward them,
but I have to give highlights to Tundra to at least bring that swing around.
It was what 20-something thousand lead, I think, down to like a 6 or 5k remarkable stuff,
but we did see toward the end there the power, the OG team fight coming it together, especially from the pit.
I think that was like a 5-man vacuum wall.
Absolutely.
And a huge win for OG to take it against Tundra in the top of the group.
They're gonna feel over the win about that one.
Of course, there's some hiccups along the way, but the plays, the combos, they came out today from OG when it mattered the most.
They get the win, they'll take the game against Tundra.
What a beautiful win from OG here. Everything at the start, it was just this phenomenal bloodbath.
I think of enjoyment for a lot of viewers.
Yeah, hiccup, massive one, I would say that stole it out a lot.
I was pretty nervous for OG, I'm sure the players were for themselves as well,
but ultimately really calm in what felt like the face of adversity of a game that really
could have gone their way and were able to take it out against Tundra.
Yeah, I think that's the most impressive part of this game from OG is that they fumbled
a little bit, but they didn't fumble it all the way and totally lose the game.
They were able to relive back, calm themselves down, talk about, communicate, how do we
want to take these fights?
What went wrong there?
Why is it going bad?
And to fix it for future fights because it really felt like after that big massive
that it wasn't really it was like actually relatively clean from then on out once they like talked about it and fixed their issues
This is also what you were saying you were like, okay
Docs here has been in that first phase ban every now and then against O.G.
O.G. have like to pick it up for themselves, but getting to see it played this way.
Niko was on another level. We're seeing it in the highlights just how much he really added to this team fight.
Everyone's spellcasting on the side of OG, I have to say, was fantastic until they pushed that envelope a little bit too far, but otherwise it was so strong.
100%, and I think it was really refreshing to see them play this super fast tempo against Tundra, who's a team that's been so early game dominant.
It's been a game decided for them and a lot of these Vesta 1s and OG to say, you know what?
We're going to take it to you, we're going to beat you at your own game, and they thrashed them in this early game.
like they actually beat the snot out of them it was the hardest I think any team is one the early game this tournament so far and
I think that's really what you want to do against tundra is greedy team who picks so many farming cores
33 is gonna farm it up and talk about it as nauseam and they say we're gonna stick it to you and
Even when you get into the later part
See fights like this which by the way stood bullseed from pure to be like I'm just gonna beat a beep link in the
that was the downfall. That
was the nail in the coffin of
this best of one here, so
there is give and take on both
side when you come to praising
and, of course, criticizing
too. Yeah I mean fog mentioned
in the game like it was
honestly really impressive
from them to be able to pull
it back from the abyss. But
man, we can see here what
up put them in the abyss in
the first place. I think
great moves from this
spirit. I mean, it's
I think great moves from the spirit breaker darks here. They were all over the place constantly pressuring this top lane
I think something that a lot of teams mess up is they got pressure in a place
And then they leave that pressure once they've got the kills
They feel like okay, we're job done here now
We now we back up and we chill for a little bit, but oji said no
This is all gas no breaks and they just kept attacking these places over and over and over
You'll pause with a cheeky solo kill here really nicely played a match up
you know, I'm not going to
do that. I'm not going to do
that. I'm not going to do that.
We've seen other people draw,
but he took it to the limits
and man, they just ransacked
them. Yeah, admittedly, it
still lives. You're the spirit
breaker player and people want
to take that foot off of the
gas pedal. You like that.
Please. Literally my hero is
to run in and just keep
putting pressure. I am the gas
battle. Press me, please
press the step on me. I mean
what? Sir, it looks good in
this game. We didn't actually
adding to a game like this and why isn't he just a little bit more flavor of the month?
I think really you need heroes to enable him. He's always going to do his thing and I think
Darkseer specifically enables that hero so much because he lacks that damage in these kills
and when you get that Darkseer it enables the wave dragging play so you get through
that early period of the game because he is a terrible laner. You get to that nighttime
period and enables you to get these kills. If you think about it they have perfect
synergy for it right? They've got a really aggressive safe lane in Kezgeiro. They've
got queen of pain who wants to be a part of kills nonstop and they got that
dark sir like it's all three lanes he can kill you don't want to get stuck in
these dry periods where you can't actually fight anyone he's been enabled
by his draft and they picked that spirit breaker with the dark sir they knew
exactly what they wanted and it's a strategy they've run before this
tournament and it looked amazing yeah at the 14 minutes they had their eyes
set on one thing as well and that was that wisdom shrine I feel like this
was where we really knew the bloodbath had paid off and this is the
moment where the spell comes to like look at that I've been seen wobble combo
it's so it just watching it is like amazing that the top snowball say comes
in and you're like maybe just maybe that white monglays is gonna pay off and
like that snowball is gonna turn it but there was no amount of turning it was
what they were able to do on OG nice it's super impressive and it's not that
often you see a team wipe across the map 33 wasn't even there but at the
same time I think that shows sort of that OG is like they're confident in
What they're doing they're not getting baited into we need to all be here or like worrying about what they should do
Or instead just what what is good for me to do right to them TV back
They kill 33 in the other wisdom room or the three of them stay there and fight it
They're split up, but it's split with like it's a conscious choice. It's not worry. Yeah, exactly
It's not like there's no worry or fear there or
You know these these these things that creep in they're confident what they want to do
And I think that's that's huge for them
And I think one of the things that is best about this team is they feel very sure of themselves and their decisions
I mean maybe the Warriors crept in a little bit when we got to boys like the 20 late 20s early 30
Yeah, there was a little treat those those here in there
Well, let's have a look at it exactly because this was a buyback from pure's SF and it feels like this is the make or break
Right there was so many moments for that tundra and this was a make they made more space for themselves
back and you're posh being so aggressive that just blinking and not showing any respect.
Yeah, it's one of those moments where you've been ahead the entire game and you have to kind of pay the enemies some respect and realize you're dead a couple of heroes.
We lost these fights to reassess the situation and what do we need to do right?
They honestly, they got a little cocky here and I think it's something that's very easy to happen whenever you're in that dominant ahead position
position and we saw Hunter win fight after fight after fight back to back with
some amazing execution to honestly give them props they they really pulled it
back in an impressive way. Yeah I also think like this was uh I was gonna say
around the time that uh Brew had gotten that axe for himself to be able to have
double split and as well just this small sliver of health people get to live
on hit his refresher another requiem and BKB you just like I I wasn't
really expecting that we knew that they had got some gold from the amount
kills that they were able to get to end all of the kill streaks that the OG players were on. But
to see that come out you're like this feels bad. Yeah it's honestly so many of the micro plays even
just from pure there at the very end. Like the fact that he pops refresher and it doesn't immediately
BKB he's waiting for like a little bit longer to see if he needs it for something and then purges
the Kez Katana stacks at the very end that he knows from muscle memory where this tree nook is
that he ducks into just sort of like through muscle memory. Just like he presses his old
pressure two raises and then blinks back. He doesn't blink back before the raises.
Yes, like it's like real individual excellence. Like you can see why this
team is top of the leader. Like they are they're so incredibly good, which honestly
goes even more to OG the fact that they were able to take them down and you know
it got a little shaky at some points. But the first 20 minutes were very dominant.
Yeah to have a dominant 20 minutes like that looks phenomenal. And for Tundra
getting that second loss they're still in that first place but only by one win now.
now, the closely followed with behind by OG who now have six wins for themselves, but
another team, Navi, that's six and three and they're going to be playing up next against
heroic. So heroic, shaky. That is the nicest way I want to say this because I think there
is almost too much ways that you can describe heroic right now. Yeah, they have a lot going
on and not a lot of it is good. I think they they've swapped players. They've got
a play style that was all about this aggression. And I think when you have that aggressive
Attack the enemy play style. There's a lot of room for mistakes when you're not super on the same page and not a super
Well oiled machine which they are not right now whisper
Also, I think you can't take away from this. He swapped roles and then swap back
I think while there's so a lot of comfort into going back into the role that I think it's his true role
He was a little not the greatest mid-player, but there's he hasn't been practicing it for a while, right?
So there's a little bit of rust to be shaken off there
And Ty long we've talked about it a little bit
he's playing on a bigger stage against some better players compared to playing just in qualifiers and essay and playing sure
EU policy playing it on ping and not under the highest stakes
So I think him as a player he's been impressing a lot
But he's now going up against Navi who is also some young upstart players
But they have been around the block a little bit more I think than him bent to a few more tournaments
They've attended a TI whereas Tylong is still yet to to be on that biggest stage. I'm talking about it
I was like, what are you buffing?
It was so gross.
Talking about a rogue in this battle,
you might think they're really far down on the leaderboard.
They're more in that middle of the pack.
They're four and four with the eight series
that they've played here for themselves,
the eight best of ones.
I just think that this could have been more wins for them.
There was a game that they had a 26K lead
for themselves and threw it away against extreme gaming.
Obviously, Albit 2, extreme gaming,
taking advantage of that,
but there are at least two wins off the top of my head.
Or sorry, two games that should have been wins for them.
And that's where we're talking about a little shaky.
This mid laner, beautiful starts for himself
in every single game.
I really don't think I could ever fault
what has happened early game for him,
but it's the closing out and the sport
of the rest of heroic that needs to be there
and something that helps support both of these teams
of course is going to be a draft.
Heroic and Navi, not too far away from each other on that group's
But then again, that's the joy of best of ones anything really truly can happen our drafts feel more stable than the results of predictions of best of ones at this point in
Blast time six if it's something that we can rely on it bands right now coming out Viper husker bat rider on the side of Navi
Not really sure. I haven't said these heroes in the last six best ones
really picking out SF trian
And Grimstroke that respect then you talked about it before
and they decide you know what this hero is actually too powerful to deal with it, which is honestly really surprising to me that they feel like it's worthy of a first phase band, but maybe they didn't have anything else on the table that they thought was, you know, super good, they'd rather just do this instead.
And we didn't super mention it before, but I'm honestly really impressed with Navi that they've been able to be up at the top of the scoreboard for the tournament so far that they've sort of been finding something that works for them a little bit better.
a little bit better instead of being that middle of the pack or even leaning downwards type of team.
It's something that you just love to see, right? Their first
Blast Slam post-Ti, they just miss out on making it to a LAN. We see them the next Blast Slam.
They make it to the LAN. They're not able to convert that into a best of three win,
but they get that experience. Now we're seeing them in their third Blast Slam,
and they're sitting at the top, near the top, in the top three when it comes to our group
like this is the trajectory a new team loves to have new new play is our
really definitely they are they're moving in the right direction and
Merovic is doing their classic thing of they pick all their course first this
one I think it's considerably worse than the one they did the other day with
the razor plus the Mars these heroes definitely have overlap encounters
they're both vulnerable to being kited to heroes I mean they're not gonna
pick this because it's a bad hero, but things like Drowranger or Razor is banned, these sort
of ranged kiting dudes that are going to hit you and space you. Not to mention, Shattered
Demon is already good against both of these heroes. You can get the Ags and purge the
Kraken, purge the Ursa passive, and Shattered Demon is just good against Ursa in general.
You can save against the heroes jumping to try to burst, and also purge his fury
swipes and just kite his ulti, his BKB with that SD ult. So, to kill your pick,
especially blind, I'm sure there are off-liners
that Navi are considering they could pick against it,
heroes that take advantage of some of those melee heroes,
even maybe the Phoenix a little later on
that we've seen from PMA,
even though the mid-game your egg can die,
I don't know, they're going for the slaughter.
Scratch that, sorry, no, screw me.
Hey man, we like what you're saying,
but you can just shut up
and just talk about the slaughter.
No, I like fish.
He's got armor, stuns people, it's cool.
Couple of scales here in there, Trident,
that's pretty cool.
I mean, we love Tridon's, I guess.
You're the sudden fan in the house right now.
That's me.
No, but we mentioned in the other game
where there was a Slardar against these carriers that
don't naturally buy the spells, big math buyers,
disperser buyers, or illusion heroes.
Slardar is just very, very powerful,
and Ursa fits in that category.
Sure, you have the BKB and the Othi,
but you don't want to be pressing these big long
cooldowns for a spell that he can just
reapply on you instantly.
You want something that is a little bit lower
cooldown to sort of match that.
So Slardar is very, very good against Ursa.
Not to mention that movement speed in the armor,
being able to kite Ursa at the six-year-old Ursa.
First, it's a very sensible pick,
and you want that melee hero
with the Shadow Demon that we've seen before.
Navi, they like their two range supports
and their more melee cores.
That's something that they gravitate towards, typically.
So fitting into more of their typical style,
and I like that they're forming
sort of a drafting structure for themselves.
see disruptor again his day one attendance was like I don't know off
the chart for what we expected then these day two is like he just did not
bother clucking into work at all and now he's just like showing his face and that's
it for day number three what's up guys I'm still here I'm still around if you
want to think about me yeah I have a good one I it's like a weird hero in my
eyes it's okay here it's nothing special I think it's really just something
hero that Navi likes. If I'm Navi here, I'm not picking Disruptor, but some teams just like it. Some
players like that hero. It fits with their style. I think it's a little bit too low damage. It's not
quite enough spells with Slaughter. I think you want a little more oomph, but it does have good
game matchups against Tidehunter and Urselike. There's a reason they pick it. It's not
particularly good with Navi's heroes, but it is good against Heroic, so I respect that.
That is the hero I do not respect in any capacity. Holy crap that hero sucks
Do we've given it chance is it keep losing man
Be so bad
Does he keep losing is he he's on a zero percent win?
Why won't one with it didn't he check in PC that doesn't know I'm on with it. Yeah, well that does count
Okay, he has one win and I'm gonna see what's a why-butt and three losses. Okay
Well, we'll see if it's fourth
It's like you have some synergy with Ursa. It's like strong lane. You have the poison to run people down
There are there elements to it that are good
You've got armor buff up against slaughter even though
I think that's a bit of a fake counter as slaughter
Doesn't care about your poison at all. I think slaughter should be pretty good in the lane against as in the game
Dazzle may have some elements to it
Um now a forge a hero just sort of blind without seeing core
I guess it could be for dazzle, but I think that would be very strange. So I
Want to correct myself and give credit where credit is due it was not white mon that got that dazzle wind
Oh, I'll take a stab at what sport it was
King wrong tofu. Oh Eric Engels
Yeah, I think you actually would have guessed that.
Yeah, no, that was for real a shot in the dark.
Spun me around and fluff me out in the wilderness.
But yeah, not a big fan of this heroic support duo.
It makes a whole lot of sense, to be totally honest.
But as Clinkz, I think those make sense.
It's that ranged turret dude
against the Tide and the Erisa,
which I think is the type of hero you want.
You want that spacing that now invists, sneak around.
You have the minus armor synergy
between the slaughter and the Clinkz,
which is very cool.
And these two supports are very vulnerable to getting bursted by clinks.
Generally the supports that are good against clinks are the ones that have a lot of kill threat early,
ones that can get on top of them and burst them because he's not a hero with a great deal of escape once you're on top of them.
But these two heroes don't have it, and he's got a lot of kill threat on his team.
If you look at the Na'Vi heroes, it's a ton of pick-off, it's a ton of kill threat, and there's a lot of synergy there.
So I think this pick is very cool, and I think God the Juice has really been on fire,
so I look forward to see what he can do on those clinks.
I've been so impressed with Got the Juice.
It feels like he really is finding
farm out of Noah for himself.
Like he is in all the right places on the map
and just, I don't know, just something else.
Like I don't even know how to put it into words.
It's just when you see it,
it feels like he is in flow state.
100%, good item builds, good gameplay,
right place, right time.
Someone's got to take this man's juice away
if you want to beat him.
I don't know what kind it is,
but he's got too much of it.
Gotta stop him.
You gotta stop this guy.
It's not even funny. I don't even want to like honor it with a giggle, you know, I can I can hear it. I can hear it. It's been honored
No, Navi coming out of the last pick
Yeah, most likely in mid I would imagine they picked up the slaughter into the earth
So I think probably wanting to lean it against it unless they have some
I don't know enigma is not that good here. So yeah, probably not picking another off laner
I got the perfect mid-pick for Navi.
What's that?
Eye of...
Why is that the perfect pick, Matt?
It's just a Navi pick and I want to see it again.
I want to see it work!
It is fun to see.
I don't think this is the game for it.
No, I don't think so either, but I want to see Navi pick it again and make it work.
Get that win with it.
I know that they can.
It's possible.
Broken Clock is right twice a day, but I don't think...
I've already been right twice today, so it's not happening again.
point no I can see them pick the ember again it's a hero that has been just a
very solid sort of blind pick well not now not anymore
pick again what is Niku been playing would you like me to tell you yeah tell
me maybe he has been playing puck ember I a bristle Queen of Pain and storm
they bend the puck themselves yep so the Queen is still there it's it's it's
That's not bad.
It is a hero that can be vulnerable to being counterpicked at times, but two of his hardest
counterfeits are already banned in the Huffscar and Viper.
So there's something like a sniper that you can counterpick that Queen of Pain with if
they did go for it.
But it's definitely not a bad option here.
It fits that sort of skirmishing, skirmishing, aggressive, killing playstyle, the naughty
of drafters themselves.
So I don't mind it.
It's not great against Tide as he has that natural way of purging up the dagger.
The rest of the heroes, they lock lockdown, and Queen of Pain, very good against Ursa generally.
The dagger is quite a nuisance for him, especially once you get to the aggs and get to those armor items like the Shiva's eventually.
Well, they're running down the clock. Do you want to know what else is in the plane and like the qualifiers and stuff while we have limited time left?
Do you want to look in your answer, Eddie?
I think I'm... I think it's Queen.
Okay.
Do you want some magic damage to mix up with these two physical cores and the clinks in the Slardar?
Stupid chance to change, he didn't...
Interesting.
It's not a bad voice for a game by any means.
It is bad against Tidehunter.
And so you have to believe in your clinks that there's going to be enough damage for this Tide.
Because you suck against that. You're not going to kill him.
But I do trust Niku to have a better voice for a build than we saw before.
I think Shiva's this octorine these items could be very very good this game
Shiva's especially a lot of physical damage on heroic and the shod yeah the shard for sure
I'd play please pick up the shuttle boy the love of whatever voids pierce name is his real name by the shard
You get to make it up right now. You get to give him a few zilla
Power too late
Not tie long the world is oyster
But a lot like we said before a lot of the heroes that counter voice bearded banned
Um, I'll say I mean we've seen the monkey king a few times. That's a hero that's classic games voice
But it just keeps losing. I mean it falls off is what teams if but do you think that the rest of you know an
Ursa tied dazzled cure lineup can fill in for when that MK
Struggles a little I think so like you've got a lot to help them between the dazzle and then the Vlad's from ties
You've got a lot of that buff up. It's definitely an option. They could they could pick it in snowball here
I don't like that.
It's very, like it draws with Void Spirit, it doesn't pressure him at all.
So Void Spirit a hero traditionally when you see it you want to take advantage of him in
lane.
An early game that's one of his weakest points.
Tiny's pretty weak against the vessel which Void Spirit will happily rush and you've already
got a Tidehunter and a Dazzle which are relatively low damage heroes.
You want a little oomph I think.
This Tiny doesn't give you that much of an oomph.
mention you've got some tanky heroes on the other side in the slaughter, the clinks, and you can't
burst the Void Spirit either, so to me this doesn't really give heroic what they need, and I definitely
like what Navi has going here. I feel like you're just finding excuses to hit on the Dazzle without
directly hitting on the Dazzle. Okay, but also my boy Void Spirit is on the other side. Yeah,
I know you can never not pick a Void Spirit. I gotta pull for him, and I think it's a pretty
solid game form. He can go in and out and play these kiting fights and I think it once again it
fits their style. I think they've drafted along a similar vein and I think it is one that works
with the enemy has right. Sometimes you see teams commit too hard on one identity and they get
punished by certain itemization but I think this game it's not as easy for heroic to actually
punish what Navi has built together here and I think once again it's that structure that
works very well for them. They've got a couple melee cores, they've got the range supports
And it's been working well.
They've got a flow going and I want to see them keep improving
and keep that structure building because I think
they're an exciting team to watch.
Yeah, look, Navi have definitely found what
has worked for themselves.
Is it necessarily here in this game and in this draft?
I mean, they're six and three for a reason.
They've found answers for themselves.
Heroic though, four and four.
So they would love to get a win here.
Try and avoid being in one of those last four spots.
but we're not really too sure if that mid tiny is gonna be it.
So let's see exactly if it plays out exactly how Quinn is predicted.
Well, what?
How am I a nobbyator?
Also unmute yourself, I believe you're muted.
I know the way to communicate that to you, so I will just say it as this game commences.
But that was a great intro, my friend.
It was a fantastic intro, 10 out of 10.
EB's going to call me a Navi Hater,
which I think is, I don't think that's true at all.
I don't think I've been a Navi Hater.
I think I was a huge fan of this team
early on in the bandwagon before people jumped on.
But then they failed to live up to my expectations.
Maybe I set the expectations too high.
Maybe that bar was just unreachable
Because I believed in the Na'Vi dream, you know, and I don't want to see these guys fail.
I want to see them become a True Tier 1 contender.
But that takes a lot of grit, that takes a lot of practice, stability, consistency.
And I don't think we've seen that from them in the last six months.
So hopefully this is the beginning of their rise to start them.
I'll put it that way.
Yeah, that's part of it.
Yeah, I like to play Devils Advocate every now and then.
This event, they're doing quite well.
And I think as Quinn put it, they pick towards their style.
They're not afraid to pick a little off meta
if it fits what they want to do better,
particularly their kind of unique hero pools,
I think of the one and two.
You really got to put Niku and got the Jews
in a position where they can play aggressive,
they can roll across the map,
they can play off low cooldown.
And so I think that is the situation
they put themselves in this game.
I think they look pretty well set up to do that.
They have the aggressive disruptive of support
to play that kind of style.
And it is PMA getting beat on first, he is gone.
Quick first blood for Yuva.
Easy pickup for the bear.
Little groveus of the blind pick,
effectively first pick Ursa.
They saw one hero and it was shadowed even,
which Ursa is not even getting in.
So this is literally, this is just Yuma saying,
I am the big boss bear and I do not care what I play against.
Which I kind of respect.
I always like carry players who do that,
but he has a tall task ahead of him,
playing into the shadow demon and disruptor
and then a bunch of core counter picks
that Navi had the choice of,
I wish him the best of luck.
So first blood goes a long way for this early pick bear
and we have a pause.
Look at that.
Nice little pause here.
can think about reflections of the dode to two world I will say some lore Quinn
did not know Void spirits name that is incredibly disappointing and depressing
to me because that is Quinn's favorite hero probably his most played hero of all
time and he doesn't even know his name in I there we go which he should know
because it's in AI and we are in the AI bubble right now so perhaps the Void
Spear bubble is also rising stocks are on the move
Wait, what's in a bubble now?
It's a the AI bubble
Okay, and boys fierce name is in AI
Okay, yeah, I so wish you were you got that very good
So with your stocks to the moon
No, I think all the stocks are down today. So maybe boys pure stock is also down
He's not doing too well. The bubble is popping. Yeah, but maybe he's trending above the market, you know, that's true
He could be
Anti-correlation hero right now
That's what we must hope for
All right, where did we end up? But did you did you like the draft or?
For heroic is our panel seemed to vary suss on is they always gonna go down training out one on one
No, I didn't really understand what they were proposing.
I mentioned like they just blind picked this Ursa because Yuma just is a level 30 Ursa
and he believes in it, but I don't think this is a hero you can just pick completely blind
and I don't think it, it's not the type of hero that works completely blind because
it doesn't assert anything strong enough, I believe, so I think Navi got the better
of him here.
maybe heros are, dare I say, a little just tilted from all of their mega throws this event
because they've had some mega throws, let's be honest
yeah, they would actually be in prime position
if you took away two different throws, put them on the win category
and then the rest of their matches today are not the most difficult
like, they're possible to win, so
maybe they just maybe you must like we gotta stop throwing games just give me
Ursa is a hero I know I can close the game out with so maybe there's some like
backlash from that I don't know because I don't usually see them just draft like
this it's very brazen almost as if it's we believe these heroes are just
broken no matter what and so we're just picking up we don't care what you
you can take. Sometimes it works out if it's comfortable, though.
Whisperer not having a great time playing Tidehunter against Kling, so you can deal with some of
the damage, but being left alone against a Disruptor means he's going to be taking
some number of shots. This is like a mega-value Disruptor game
on paper and if I'm saying that as a certified hater of this hero then you
know it must be true but man he has good matchups I mean the static storm first
all three of these cores is amazing the glimpses against these cores is really
good to pull them out of position with two back line supports that need a
stable formation in the team fight the AOE silence even against this dazzle
could come into play like sometimes you could throw up behind the hero and
and kind of zone him out a little bit until he has later levels.
So, I really like Riddist's position in this game,
and if they can get him some extra XP,
which these kills on lane are boosting him up pretty fast.
He's already level four.
I could see Disruptor just run this game over.
Let him go.
Level four, five minutes.
That's such a good position for this hero.
An early rotation into mid.
Not time for the Power Room,
which I'll probably catch Tylong unaware.
Got him with Blood Grenades,
and all Tylong can really do is fight his way out,
hoping he can kill Nigo first, not Kace.
And Riddies, another successful early game move for him.
That did not look like a game
that was gonna work with no resources on the Void Spirit,
but he did have two points in the Thunder Strike.
Gives you a little bit of extra damage here.
So the skill build, paying off for Riddus,
and now he gets to take mid-lanes and be level five.
Somehow, meet their mid laner is going to be mid when the first power rune spawns.
It's a pretty decent one too, but yeah.
Nonetheless, Navi very happy with this early game.
I mean, yeah, Slaughter's not getting much, it's not as if they're dominating the lanes, but just...
The momentum that's being built right now, if some of these little kills, I think it's gonna add up here in the next few minutes.
Potential to contest that wisdom shrine too.
of
the most expensive to be canceled by this
to try to put a little pressure on that the tower seven and wisdom shrine is going to be spawning
Nah, maybe you could have contested with Disruptor Clinks on top, but that kind of requires just a banding the lane for a bit.
But I long-folded out of position.
Niku had some more spells to throw out, but felt like it wasn't going to be enough, especially with K.J. sitting behind him.
K.J. does not have a level of shallow grave yet, but the heal's more than enough.
Really looking for some earn charges on this voidsphere thing yet, I'm even going to salve
him up.
Just trying to deal with the harass, and both supports lingering here.
This is a big committal of time, I really need to get some glimpse kill out of it here
or something.
I couldn't find the Oleg or Matt.
All this early momentum, but you're just staring at this tiny mid, such a tanky hero, 1400 HP, so much extra armor early.
You're not just going to be able to run at this guy and kill him until you have Vessel.
This feels very stagnant for me, for what Nobby would want to be doing in this time period.
I feel like Void Spirit specifically runs into this situation a fair amount.
You know, he just doesn't have enough damage,
But he's kind of a hero that needs to run around and get some kills to progress into the mid game
Gonna pick up an image room start looking at top whispers very far forward here
He has already used all of his skill points, so he cannot get ravaged
He went for three levels in kraken shell and three levels in anchors match for the extra farm
Which means he is
Complete food here for Niko's rotation
Alright, I like that. I don't think that's an efficient kill, but I think it's a kill you wanted just because you got Stonewall hit and you got to get some earn charges on the board, you got to get something.
He has a high level tide. It's kind of worth it on the experience. Tiny's going to get more out of this time period with killing stacks and mid lane, but you're okay with that because you weren't interacting with this Tiny mid anyway.
It's also an extra XP for your disruptor who is already almost almost 6, so you get the Static Storm online, you have some extra filter on this course.
Maybe you can get in there and steal some of that Static XP from the Tide or play with this Clinkz and inside a Rook's Triangle.
Static Storm available.
I don't think they can kill him with just the two.
No.
Rotation instead from Navi goes to the other side of the map.
two-man smoke up, zi- the zi-its
i'll bring to enable niku and his plays and you'll find kj
disruption into the rendent, into the crush
should be pretty easy chain stun
leading to one kill, can redis find a glimpse on yuma
yuma actually stops to do a little farming here
if only they knew
yeah i mean they know now
now, drop the ward
zi-its
no disruption, can't stop this, they'll just take the tower
If Riddice has walked like 200 units farther, that's a dead bear right there.
Still, it's a nice rotation. You get the Tazuli, you get the tower. Bring everybody out here. A little overkill, you lose your mid tower.
So again, it's a move that's successful for Nami, but not that efficient in the overall exchange. They lose a power rune.
A very good one, and that ain't damage to the Tiny as well. So, Huroh do make up for that play.
But farm across the board they don't lose the Ursa and they're very close to this tiny
blink just brown boots rushing the blink if he gets a kill here or any sort of action
he will have it.
Kind of a tough lane to gank into here.
The Slaardar has 1500 HP but they also just pulled the hard camp.
Slardar has actually taken the creep wave all the way back behind the tower so they seem to 100% know that this move from mid is coming their way
So it's gonna have to go through the gate instead
Hope for the best on the other side of the map
This is a tough lane for their lineup to gain though. They have three melee cores against clinks
So, you know, either you're getting blinked at yours up or if you're not really interacting with God to choose here
There's your tiny blink kind of a pawcord that they need that played right before it
We'll secure the tower though, and that whole time Whisper was just farming, so this Tide
is quite having himself a pretty good game for playing almost entirely solo.
When the early Veil into Vlad's, it appears we'll be the build up, so armor on armor for
Whisper with him.
the juice leading the way for Riddies spot the tight hunter they want none of
that go back to farming this static style game is not great for Navi though
again they had static storm up so early they haven't been able to use it the
voids here just got vessel but his mid tower is dead and he can't get any
these power rooms. That's a hasted amp damage timing right now. At the same time do you feel
like Navi is... I think they're okay with scaling. You know, maybe this could have been
a faster game for them, but I don't think a slow game is necessarily bad. I think
they're fine in the ultralight, but I do think the mid game is potentially heroic
favored with how much this Ursa can ramp the tempo. Like if Ursa gets first and
second Roche, he has tied back and about to kind of play. I can see this game
snowballed Roche away in the mid game. Another team with an intended smoke. This
one seems like it should land. The question is what is it going to land on?
They spawned the Junkero first. Not the better of the two targets they all
and commit for it though.
Ty Lung might go back, you know on this though,
the rabbit's gonna hit the clays
and they're just gonna one shot him.
Nice and easy, one of the cores down.
Miku, half HP, he's gotta jump out of there.
Well, Ashe will step to the side.
Ty Lung is blink daggers.
Gonna be back up soon.
Miku might get spotted here.
Heids in the corner, not seen steps away.
Not a successful gank for Navi.
Not at all.
And they do not really want to end up in some full 5 on 5 against this Tidehunter right now.
It's kind of the king of the map.
Or the king of the fights, I should say.
They just rather find these pickoffs, glimpses back, get the number advantage.
They're going to try for the same play. Now there's no Ravage.
Static Storm gets dropped, does not manage to keep them inside, so they have to use the glimpse early here.
Final bit of damage is going to rain in, and they'll finish off Whisper eventually,
Eventually, but again a trade-off still there spirit vessel put on the whispery stop that again
In fact, he's gonna get a bit of a bump and that's good enough. He's gonna stay alive man
It is really not working out for Navi
Look at all the early armor in this build just rushing the sheva's already had the plate mail
He has an extra r.o.p. Plus soaring armor. It's like plus 22 armor at 14 minutes
So you add that into all the kraken block it
kind of absurd against an all-physical line-up. Yeah, you know some Void Spirit magic damage, but it's a slaughter-clink sign-up.
So this is a minus-armor-built synergy that he is just rushing the best item against.
And he will have it faster. This is gonna be a fast sheath of his guard.
Is that a freebie?
Does not jump for riddies?
Instead they're going to Avalanche Niku here.
No ravage to follow this up.
So Niku is not going to die.
In fact, they're going to turn back around.
PMA here tossing on Niku brings him a bit low.
He has to jump out.
Steps away.
PMA.
Oh, so down underneath the macro pyre.
Not going anywhere as the Avalanche covers him.
Nah, he just cannot seem to find the better of heroic.
No matter what the situation is,
whether they're initiating or responding, nothing is working.
This is why I felt like they had to find a couple more kills in action in that early game because
their 5-on-5 is not stronger if Karoak are allowed to just group up and take it head-on.
And they are really having issues putting damage into it. Nice Avalanche hit there.
Good amount of damage, Yuma.
Run Zoom just to make sure Tylung is not going to be isolated here.
Very nice of them human doesn't even have a blink dagger yet
Not being defined a way to split this ball
Maybe slaughter blink helps you catch her on the map a little bit more, but so far they've been unsuccessful in pulling anybody out of this formation
Finding any sort of pick-off advantage
And a road can stay balled up
up to do Roach and Tormentor soon.
Yeah, I feel like there's no real incentive for them to move around the map too much.
I mean, this is not Tied TA, but Versa TA's got to be pretty close, you know?
True.
It gives you almost everything.
So the three-man smoke, he was sticking around the Earth for a little bit.
He was going to back up, form some C for Anches.
So the 3 man move now moves to back up Whisper to just finish Shiva's off that wave.
So they absolutely are happy to take a fight right now with that big item coming in.
Oh, got the juice just showed.
No invisibility for 6 seconds.
He's gonna be tossed back into the ice path into his doom.
A bad read of the situation there as he was playing super aggressive.
I'm gonna pop out and like take farm like that and put your skeleton lock on cooldown.
Yeah, that was just very casual for how many heroes are off the map.
Yeah.
Even glimpse whisper back bottom, which I don't even know if you mind.
Cause now he gets to push his way out.
And there's got to do Rosh anyway.
So they're all losing nothing, just making full team moves, but they're not getting punished on the math board.
So this is really bad news for Navi, because even if you lose some heroes, it's okay if you're farming other stuff or getting stacks,
but their lineup is not great at farming jungle efficiently. Slaughter, Void Spirit are like with the best of Blink.
They're not doing agents, they're not clearing through stacks or anything.
They'd rather be killing heroes and so if that's not happening,
Karolka are not worried about grouping up and getting punished in some hot efficiency.
I stream right now, I was playing the moment where Whisper, they used the static storm to try and gank him
and he walked away with a scared vessel on him with like 50 HP.
Like nothing has just gone Navi's way. It feels like this entire game has just been
Failed move after failed move and now her works up 5k with an Aegis
And kind of every item that they need right now we've got blink dagger phylactery on the tiny
The tide ready to go with the sheevah's
Navi is not gonna be able to do a
whole lot of damage to these high armor heroes. It's a very concerning period in
the game right now they don't have the vessel charges. I haven't found anything.
No vessel charges. I don't have no charges of any kind.
They really need to score some kills here soon.
Well, for now they're just gonna have to dance away from the heroic 5-man, which heroic now
that they've got the agents, I almost expected them to stop 5-manning so aggressively, you
know, and try and play a bit more efficiently having that extra life, but not the case.
They continue to either three-man stack behind the Tidehunter or the Ursa.
So they split it up a little bit here as they go hunting for Niko on the other side of the
map, lead off with the Avalanche.
The remnant gets a grab, Niko actually already used up all of his steps, so he's just
dead here.
Zions can't even get to him in time.
In fact, he's just gonna be another victim to this gank, it looks like, or not.
There's a little step out there from the tumblr toy. They're thinking about turning here, but the fact they've already jumped the clicks is just terrible for Navi.
They're damage dealers. Not able to turn around and do a whole lot here. He's just got a head for the hills.
And ultimately, Navi will end up losing the Shatter Demon anyway, it seems, as well hunt him down.
Bobby just seemed lost. They can't take a fight even with numbers. Their lineup is pretty weak if they just get run at.
Narokkar just taking it to him. They're balling all the way. It's almost feels premeditated like we're just going to pick a five man lineup because we don't think you can play against it as a team.
And so far they have been correct.
Yeah, they've been 100% on the mark about that. Five by eight.
They just seem completely diskebobulated in terms of what to do strategically against a continual 5-man with this type of item.
Okay, well let's start with what should they be doing that they're not doing right now.
So your two options were one, like, to play way more aggressive in that early portion is snow walling a game more.
If that doesn't happen, then you have to force the split up somehow, which is basically getting lanes in without dying.
very aggressively or creating these like two-man hit squads that can kill the
isolated farming heroes on the map. I don't think they've really been playing the
supports behind the Void Spirit Challenge. I think his limiting his ability to like
kill just hide on the side lane or something like that. Now you're just going to get clean, but could not get off the disruption and now
they're just gonna lose to the teamfight power of heroic a simple ravage is
enough to break Navi, to kill the Glinks, kill the Slardar, now run down whatever extra
heroes they can first is gonna be Riddies. Now, science gets hit by the gush as well.
One simple Ravage leads to four kills rather easily for heroic. Man, from bad to worse,
I think, I think PMA blinked into that Ravage stun? That's what it looked like. Kind
Unlucky timing for him, but I don't think you're winning that fight anyway
Niku gotta be careful with these games
Hi, long you're not alone
Actual stuff. Let's now get tossed back in three more seconds till another actual step is up
Let's see if he can hide away here
TP up, he's become the second, so he's not going to be able to TP immediately.
The rest of the team is beginning to join in on both sides, going out of time-long here
with D minus armor on him.
Gompidus can finally do some damage, but he still can't do anything to this Tidehunter.
Coming in from the side, Yuma finds a Shadowgain, gets grabbed by the Rem that Zayac gets
a little bit of distance here, see if he can stall his death.
Help get the rest of Navi out of here.
The clings go through the gate, the rest of the members back up.
Not the worst situation.
He did get a kill finally out of this.
It feels like it's been a long time since they got a core kill.
That's something.
And I mean, the reason it happens is you can find an isolated target.
If you're pushing in these lanes, heroic after spawn there,
you're going to split up.
You're going to catch some cores separated from the ball.
That's when you can kill them.
You do have the damage to do it with some single target burst.
Last time they killed the core was the tight hunter kill in like eight and a half minutes
Yep
See if they try and just force something more because
scheme isn't necessarily getting better for you if nothing's happening
And yeah, they're just gonna five man smoke. This is a tough smoke to land
Yeah, nobody's showing on any of the waves right now
They do have a lot of aggressive vision to smoke to off this bottom lane to three different lane wards
Unfortunately, they aren't just going to be a tad bit too late to get there
before Jekiro and Tidehunter go through the gate and group up with the rest of the team.
Again, tough smoke to land. The position from which you smoked on, it just takes so much
time to run from behind your tier 2 mid to bottom lane. It's just a massive signal to heroic to
get the hell out. Not a difficult play to read, so your chances of landing that are pretty low.
Whisper back through the gate, and it's not afraid of anything this game.
For good reason.
Bought an early shard too.
Some extra lock down here against the voice pier.
Very nice this game.
Clink spotted there for a second.
And he'll be okay.
I've got clings with the deso and they have only taken one tower
Yeah, he's like that part of one kill with it
I'm still convinced
The only clings I believe in is the not so many clings at this point. I don't believe in the zero and anybody else sounds
Why do you think not so many makes it work so much better than anybody else? I?
Think oh, she's like even with it is better on average and it's him up faster, and I think his
The way that he farms on the map he almost never gives up those one or two bad nests that just set you back so far in this hero, right?
Yeah, I think that's a big component. Like I think he knows where to farm and at what points and when to play aggressive and
his itemization is on point and I think the little things make a big difference on how fast this hero ramps up
Because you want to be the highest number of heroes in the game. Yeah, in that mid game.
Like early game isn't as important, but the mid game is really important.
I mean, just watching, uh, got the juice in a game where they're behind like this.
You compare this to Yutaro, Aume, Natsumi, like I feel like they, they're cutting creeps
way more often with Burning Barrage and they're doing it really deep where they don't get
caught.
Here are these situations.
You're kind of setting up right into the Tiny's hands.
They will catch the Klinks just to question whether or not Tylen dies for it and he
does not.
and he's certainly not gonna die easy to the skeletons when he's got this much bonus armor
That's an example like that's the death that you just can't have on this hero
It's not an easy map to read, but that's where those little reads make a massive difference
You're cutting waves and not getting caught this game
It can even go in your favor in terms of like out farming them on the map, but
That's just the best sentence
Also, their losing Roche is a massive deal with the signup.
Like every time Ursa takes Roche, it's great for heroic, but you're taking it away from
Sardar Clinks.
We'll see what Navi can do from the unfavorable position, because I think this is a team
that lights playing from ahead. Do you have that shot there?
I don't think you can really take a hit on final five until you have more survivability
here on the cling slash starter
you can't scale this game especially if you can find some extra farm on your
supports
like disruptor and sdx are both very good in this game
Nice little glimpse back.
I just don't have deep vision.
Haruka's done a pretty good job de-boarding
the side of the map here.
They have a gem on the tide as well.
This map has become very difficult for the Klinks to play.
At least he got the juice and isn't even playing it right now, he's just trying to survive.
Yeah, he's going to wait around and try and cut, oh I guess not, decided against it,
TP's to mid.
Doesn't have the information, there's not any information coming off of deep lane shove,
there's no deep wards, he's afraid of the gem tide potentially fighting him.
You can't play the, like, oh, I can nightfall out of some creep cutting.
The inverse already has Basher anyway, so...
Very scary map to play, and if the map's scary to play, they get the lanes in, they get the
five-manure high ground.
It's going down fast.
For a lineup that's not incredible at tower-hitting, I guess they do it with J'Kiro.
Just able to park this tighthunter in front and wait for their opportunity, and they can jump.
Stackstorm does go out onto Yuma here.
Doesn't matter, he's got AGs, he's got BKB, and they do not have any damage without the clings.
Scott the Juice is just full ratting.
He doesn't believe that they can fight.
He doesn't have TP anyway for the fight.
Just trying to farm up his aggs and hope that they can stretch the game out long enough.
Na'Vi can somehow make this 14k deficit there in work.
I'm not saying this game is over because it's heroic, and as we've learned this event anything can happen.
Yeah, yeah.
But this is just Benice. This is a sad game to watch.
Especially here at Na'Vi.
This is not the team we're used to seeing at all. They just feel completely neutered.
And the Klingz comes back not even finishing his agonimceptor.
He still doesn't have it.
It's by giving up a full lane of Barric's nice toss back into the ravage.
Beautiful stuff there as Tylong hits the opening fight
and just crumples Navi's chance of being able to have a successful high ground defense here.
It's just so hard to bring these heroes down.
The BKB already done for Whispers.
first it is not the deal with static storm or some of this magic damage you can just walk it off
sage peep totals are out of control and then you have a dazzle behind you
have to wait for your void spirit and then you just have to try and commit single target
first on one of these heroes with the static storm on top. Tied BKB down does give you an
opening on him if you can land it. But there's always shallow grave, which we haven't. I mean,
how many cages had to use it much this game, but you know how he really hasn't.
It's another piece of the puzzle that is causing Navier's initiators issues and finding the
of the
70 more seconds left on that ages
wrote
one more three-way diagram they just picked up a display to
use this is the free game for a
He's gonna have to be quick on their toes. Get out of here and turn your toes forward.
They blow Ty Lung right away and the Ursa loses his Aegis. They jumped right into a static
storm, burning army and now in the second life the Ursa is just gonna get crushed into
a lot of damage. Coffee and rage makes a run for it, but in fact, no, BKB goes out.
You must tell us a chance here. You're trying to keep damage on him. Keep him
from being able to blink away. The blink is almost up. He's gonna be able to blink
out a buyback from Tai Lung as he felt like it was necessary,
maybe an opportunity to turn the fight around,
but Navi, they give up on the chase, they back away,
they'll not be caught.
That was a six static storm.
I mean, Harrow gave it to them a little
with the jumping both cores in on the same spot,
but perfect timing on that, perfect timing on the crush.
You get the amp, you get the physical damage
from the clinks going through with the minted aggs plus gunpowder gauntlet.
So his damage skyrocketed for that exact moment.
And I'll be straight back.
They need some momentum.
They find more off it.
This would be a tiny dieback.
This would be oh, so sweet for them here.
This would give them so much time to work with.
Oh, it's gonna be close.
And I have a blink coming.
They're gonna go on him now.
The Tidehunter is almost here, but the damage is already done.
Ty Lung, I've got to die back for him.
What a fine 90 seconds to do whatever you want on this map right now.
If only Roshraub.
Yeah, seriously.
Got the juice already pinked me, and he was like,
Oh, you finally take his mid-tier one tower, guys.
I don't think you can.
If this Tidehunter is off the map,
you're worried about getting blink ravaged in the scheme.
I mean surely you can push out the the side lanes a little bit and then as a team address it, right?
Definitely get the map out you can get some words and then I think you do make a play for it
I mean you still have 60 seconds. No tiny in this game. You should not be afraid right now
Yeah, in order to complete a comeback you kind of have to contest for Roshan and these mid towers
The big power being up is a really big pain in the ass when it comes to that
You definitely want to try and hone something here
I was only 40 seconds left. I mean, you're kind of wasting the circle. So get to it. There's the smoke
Bottom lane pushing in
definitely the
Red flag for heroic things start backing away and start playing defensively got going back on to the dazzle though
Gotta pick now they've
Extended that window another 30 seconds where they have the numbers advantage. They'll take that mid tower
the game. You know, I can't
help a feel since I said this
game's not over yet because it's
heroic that it is. Turn the
other way quite quickly. It's
been a trend for this team. Yeah,
they really kind of get their
shit together, man. Like this
is not good. Is not okay. Got
the juice is going to get
I don't know about him showing on waves when he doesn't have DKB, and he's so close to it too.
His read of the map has just been off. I think if we brought him on as an interview, he would say like,
yeah, my feel for this was just off this game. Because the way he's dying on these waves is just,
It's just you have to avoid it. Like that's your game sense as a carry
Yeah, you don't have the most information or vision to play off of but there's gonna be games where you don't have it and
You just can't get caught
Such a nail in the coffin. So Farouk have had his number. They're punching it
Not the game's momentum, but they throw it right back. It's gonna be a fast roast on under 20 seconds here
So bro, you can either go check Roche or you can just push with a refresher done for whisper
he is he is too big to lose this game that's how I feel man 20 seconds south
glances back up heroic will respect that timing going up against a disruptor
with a glimpse back no reason to get caught here especially when there's a
roshan to be taken you also do not want to lose the fight in this game because
both of these naughty supports are very close tags and both of these
these ag's upgrades are very pivotal in this game.
Getting double purge with break is huge against the Ursa Tide, and I mean ag's Static Storm
is always nice, but especially in this game when you're against, you know, a Tidehunter
who bought BKB against an Ursa with BKB, you can land it on them before those items
go off.
That's just a teamfight win.
So, Navier, they have some breath of life here.
They can continue to farm up these two support aggs,
but they are a ways away still.
They probably need a teamfight winner or a roche to get there.
Well, Contra Juice will at least get to his BKB.
Now he's cued up a divine rapier, which, man, does kind of feel like that.
is the correct item choice. Approach is gonna be taken. Navi really not in a
position to contest it here. That's a death sentence to contest that with no
vision there. Just gotta give it up. Will be a refresher shard. Of course the
Tide already bought his, so maybe losing a little value there.
He were guaranteed or, you know, very confident you're going to secure here
because they don't really have a great refresher user.
You're just like sticking on the earth or something.
Yeah, it looks like Navi have made a call to go for a smoke.
I can only assume since they must he be back or maybe not.
And I don't see any smokes available.
You just don't want to die and lose the game right here.
Yes.
You need to 1A on this, which, yeah.
Maybe you can win you a fight by the surprise factor
and sitting on the front line and baiting out
some ravager sling, but this does not feel good.
You do not want your voice to be
or building the room to have fourth item A on this.
I'm going to be back.
BKB popped off of an illusion.
Shadowed him an illusion, running around.
Got him.
He really did.
Whisper is stockpiling the healing lotuses for his refresher.
God, do what you gotta do out here.
Riddies could conceivably sell some items here to complete the axe if we're all pushing.
He's only 900 away.
I don't think you can sell Blink though.
I think you need Blink to buy it.
Yeah, yeah, I think he has to sell his Arcane boots and maybe his wand.
That's also, that's rough, I don't know.
I mean, you make that money back with just the right Blink daggers, ag static storm.
I think you sit, you sit on this until they commit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because you can't use it aggressively anyway.
The only way you're using it is to hit high ground.
So you kind of wait until you hit high ground
and then if that opportunity presents itself yourself.
right now they're not hitting higher they're chilling. I guess waiting for
whispers BKB to come back up which can't play them it's pretty valuable on that
triple BKB across the course so if they can just jump Navi's heroes and pop
those instantly the static storms are relevant anyway they're gonna attack
whoever hits this bottom wave might be ready to grab it ready he's gonna
sneak into the jungle here see if he could just farm that last last little bit
get some more to jump the ravage they go for the void spirit who has that
eon disc the undisputed pay up for now try to get the cost back on the top the
juice not quite good enough the ravage goes out he could he is almost dead
for a month he's gonna get back to the fountain he survives to it all for
roach's initiation it's a it's a weft here they do not get a pick off that
It's awful
This team just they just can't do not know what I would go higher under something. I don't understand
Yeah, you know, they jump this guy. He's like the one a on this bear
They go on him. I think it's the only way that item gets values you ravaging and they've had plenty of
Opportunity to see that he on this guy. Yeah, he was sitting there for a couple seconds and then
like they
They want a ravage chain kill him? Okay, he can still die there, but the Ursaid's not hitting him and then
The Tidehunter who was gonna ravage again got tossed onto the dude which stalled the second ravage
It's just a mess. I don't know how you kill nobody there
You're like 10 seconds of guaranteed stun
All right, Rady sold out his magic wand
Didn't have to use static storm that last fight far and
and two more neutral camps sold his magic one and off of tickled
He now has the aggro interceptor.
No, that's big
It's big in this game for sure
Especially with ages expired in 30 a
heroic gonna go high ground and potentially throw another game that is
firmly in the grasp. No, they were gonna back up, but
But I don't know if this is much better.
You're getting more time for these heroes to get it on the map
and farm their way back.
If anything, this makes me think
that those previous throws are living in their head,
and they've lost a bit of confidence.
That's what I'm saying.
This guy's going to go to like higher up high school
or something, because they need some classes and shit.
This is not going well this event.
What's uh, what's high high ground high school 101? I
Don't know you show up day one. It's like professor eternal and he walks in there
You know drop your pencil
That's that's my god drop your pencil is really good
Time's up drop your pencil drop your pencil
Drop your pencil. I said drop it
That's a good meme. Someone's gonna make that meme. That's a good one.
Let's see if Na'Vi can drop the hammer in this comeback.
With this ag static storm. It's still committing for divine on cling. He bought out the relic.
Yeah man, I'm close. Why not?
I think they're honestly almost favored if he finishes divine here.
Yeah.
I mean their initiation is just so strong.
Like they have a save on the road it's shallow grave, but if you get more than one person inside that static storm
We throw us to ask the eggs as well there an axel sir like they're 20k behind, but it does not feel like it at all now
This is also being able to keep people in an area is kind of OP against when you have a clink right with the burning army
100% I think if Nabi gets jump on course with static storm the fights kind of over like you're gonna be able to grave somebody but
I don't think you can really counterplay that but they still have cheese or did they use cheese
Remember seeing I guess whisper whisper was the one who had the cheese. Yeah, I say so. I don't remember him
Interesting well we're gonna collect some agonim scepters here
Tiny and jacquero will both get an axe upgrade
I don't think these aggs are as strong as Navi's, but they're gonna do a lot of damage here.
I guess it's all about next roche.
Potential spawn, 45 seconds.
Navi just trying to hold on to their wards on the map.
Try and get to this cleanest divine.
They are very close.
Almost 25 as well
Science gets to his eggs too. I dare you you're gonna have so many options against the the tight hunter
Also just demonic purging Ursa's super valued.
He's licking fights.
I don't know if Yuma can actually deal that much damage if he just gets demonic purged
when he jumps in.
If he tries to go on someone and pissles him and that guy gets disrupted, the Ursa
gets purged.
His play kind of looks shot and that divine is available.
the game. So you know what
the juice even makes me so
nervous. Got the juice just
shows on away. He doesn't even
do it quickly. You know, he
doesn't like pretty bright and
then you know, Skeleton walk
away. He actually sits there
and continues to right click
the remaining creeps. This
guy is a gangster man. He
is though. He's holding off
on combining the divine
rapier right now. He's got
So if he gets jumped the game might be over in regard to this.
Well there's your Roach spawn.
Early again, they've really been faster than this game.
Just not to ignore the infares.
Oh, General Orcs goes off.
This is the hardest thing to contest for them.
They would way rather take a hydra defense against ages than I think contest that
Okay, so Theo is gonna get or he grabbed the refresher to give it to a time long
She's gonna be on the dazzle and the ages
Or you love who's also thinking about a divine rapier not really a nurse item, but
I guess we need to get to this sort of late game.
Oh yeah, I mean it's another age, it's another window for Herot to end the game, but they
just can't see that game so we're stuck in the same position.
Yeah, we are.
I just can't help them.
I almost feel like this is a loss for Herot no matter what man.
Scared of throwing games at this point. I don't know if they're ever gonna recover from this at least it
When it comes to this turning in any way
It is not great
But there's still a very solid chance of winning this game, you know
Stop 20k. They've got some tanky boys double ravage to play with
What can go wrong, you know, what can go wrong when you have such overwhelming firepower hmm
Apparently, if you've been watching grug games, a lot can go wrong.
You're in this kind of position, jumping, trying to deal with high ground wards.
Niku?
To simulate a way, loss of vision, Navi are not jumping for that.
Back up to their base, it's gotta be a perfect initiation, a perfect opportunity
for Riddies.
They're gonna go.
I just want to see a plan honestly.
I don't even care if it goes wrong for heroic at this point.
I just want to see some decisive idea of how they're going to break this game and
just go for it.
Oh, the illusion, they made it, they made it, he goes off of instant randosh on the swaradar.
Isolated, PMA, deal with the high ground vision.
Okay, that was kind of sick.
That's a plan.
Not, not an illusion you can prepare for.
I don't blame them getting baited by that.
It's a 49 minute illusion room time.
like you got God that's how not control works didn't lose the divine didn't
throw static storm though yeah well they lost was one demonic purge charge
which is pretty whatever
we're not pushing it
in order to get that buy back out it means they gotta put themselves in static
storm
Reach and that does not seem particularly appealing to heroic. I
Think you have to get out of here as you I mean you've got to you've got 90 seconds on the ages if you don't feel confident now
You're never gonna feel confident
Me do
Presents an opportunity just simulates away side device onto the Ursa need some help here
get some bit of coverage from Heroic as they pop the dazzle.
Keep these heroes back, glimpse back, gotta BKB at a time on Navi,
continuing to chip away at the resources for Heroic, and Heroic,
only 70 seconds left on the extra life.
Oh no.
Oh no, this is, you don't want to be high ground high school dropouts, man.
That's not a good career path.
Oh, I feel like I've seen this before, man.
Level 25 Divine Rapier Clinks.
It did show bottom, so should prompt to rotate here.
I'm going to go high ground real quick.
They got the siege wagon, they tossed in the creeps,
dropped the banner, which is a massive banner.
It's a big AOE.
He tossed a catapult out of the banner, what?
Well, he was looking for the crash landing damage.
Yeah, but those things, they go hard, dude.
the
He just got evaporated. That is going in a big bad Ursa.
He's already taken out one going for PMA as well, but he's surrounded by skeletons
and he's enraged only to last so long. Ravage trying to goes out.
Meekoo, he's controlled up inside the anchor. He will die here. So the Ursa goes in.
He gets some buybacks out of them, but ultimately he does fall.
They deal with the banner. Navi are going to be able to hold for now.
Oh no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Oh, no.
I mean, they got a little progress.
They got another building.
Did they?
I don't even know what that was, progress.
Dude, like, why, again, why are they doing this?
They had five minutes of ages to do this kind of banner play, and they just, they
figure out and decide to do it as ages expire, so their Ursa just dies, like,
why?
No, I don't, I don't get it.
well now he has room for the device
he wants to buy it out
doesn't even change anything I think
I think you'd rather have for a fresher than a rapier here so you can double BKB
double this will double
ult with all the extra earth shots and like you know just sticking the fight
longer you don't need a divine on this zero
Well, let's see what Navi can do, they're getting out of the map.
And they can do nothing apparently, so yeah.
Back to deal with the Lynx.
Well, I mean the Void Spirit is about to become a damage threat, because he has enough
to buy out an item here which looks like a Daedalus and he almost has level 25 true so
he's big damage upgrades for him. I mean the hex is nice too it gives him some soft
initiation without him to commit some of the big ults. It was influential in that.
It's tiny he's kind of scale into like he ate his axe, has a Daedalus now, double
toss charge plus that refresher shard so in theory you could toss him dude four
times if that doesn't kill him then I think it is gg out you have hex on
whisper too so you have double ravage double hex you have shallow grave for
anybody you get static stormed you have this a axe Daedalus quad toss
time again like I think that you just jump naughty issues everything they're
dead I don't think it doesn't look like it should be easy
it's a on this clink just to try and survive the jump they are kind of missing
in a nullifier for these aons but and they were hoping for a roach on that quick
spawn he would actually be bottom
also the wind wakers are quite good for heroic against the ag static storm saving
each other whatever but you are against a double demonic purge which kind of
sucks. I'm gonna wait for Roche. It's another pretty quick spawn. It's almost as if David
himself is telling heroic, you need to go, brothers. Don't let it get to tier five items.
I'm gonna rush spawn Roche for you over and over, but you gotta go. Just going in use
double ravage. You got this. They have five buybacks available as well. No buyback on
the Clinks who bought that Aeon. And no buyback on Riddies who bought out for that base defense.
So if you do find the disruptors out of the game, you'll commit for another Roshan.
You still have a banner from the previous one. Still the cheese as well. Roshan
Roars and Navi immediately smoke.
Looking for their opening, KJ is going to break the smoke here.
They go straight for the Disruptor and they got it.
A ravage immediately got the juice and Xanthus isn't going to last long enough even trying
to refresh it's not going to work.
They finally did it Avery, they got the initiation.
They all because KJ got a high ground ward.
I mean quick reactions from Aroha too.
The second the Disruptor was shown in vision, they mass jump.
They had way better position for Heroic.
They not be just didn't see nearly as much when they were like in that river up against
the cliff line.
Beautiful work from KJ.
I mean, that's a very risky move going in and warding aggressively with Dazzle.
Not really what you're supposed to be doing, but it absolutely pays off.
Somebody had to be the hero in this game.
They get the jump and that is what the teamfight is supposed to look like.
Yeah, they have a heal on this, but so what?
You have a second rabbit, you have second hex,
you have all these tosses.
If they're A.L.M. pops, they're not doing any damage.
You shouldn't care for being there.
Now here comes big, bad whisper with a divine rapier.
Frankly, out of the creep wave, got him at the site.
Still have a rabbit available too.
But with the anchor, it's looking like it's not even needed, Niku.
He'll die 25 seconds until the clinch is back up, but even then he would not have his precious
divine raker.
Alright, what I don't want to see is heroic leave the base.
Just end it, don't be afraid.
You have Aegis.
You have divine.
Divine Ursa has everything up
You can end this game
Here's the buyback do they back out Sattix or I'm gonna lead out go all in for the tight-hender
See if they can get that divine rapier back with a clink still gonna die Yuma jumps him kills the clinks
It's up to Niku to carry out the damage now with this fresh divine rapier stolen away
But not bad just too much. They know it's too hot
I gotta call it before they even complete out the fight here
We got there we got there in the end. That's what's important the heroic
They save their itself inflicted mental damage
Na'vi are stunned
In that game
They could experience that heroic managed to
To close out a 58 minute game where they had a 30,000 network lead for a majority of the
game very sure. Finally, finally do it, Heroic will secure a victory here.
I honestly don't know how to segue because I'm watching that game and I want to be happy for
Heroic to get a win after all of the kind of the turmoil ahead in their stage, the nightmares and
then I look at this game and I'm still, I feel awkward, like there's something about it. I mean
obviously we just watch it together, we know the lack of going high ground is clearly common
for them, but at least at the end of the day, they actually got to win and they're making this group stage even more annoying for teams like
Navi who could have potentially been looking at a second place spot if they were to win this.
It has to be like a big sigh of relief, like you've played these games the other day and even in this game like sure
they're always ahead, but you can tell that there's like there's a feeling up in the air and the players
they're kind of like showing it with their gameplay that it's just not very clean and very clear like you can tell also
you know they're meaning about it in the cast but I think
Rightfully so. Like the high-goinning from Heroic was not very convincing.
I will say their early-to-mid game is great.
So take those, you know, be happy with that.
But they absolutely have to look at how they close out games,
how they fight, and just the planning of how to close out these games.
I mean, they were methodical in the early game, right?
Like the earth were beating up the slaughter in the laning phase,
utilizing Dazzle, then you had that kind of sweeping aggression,
going for the classics, right? Get the rush in before it moves,
go for the fights, take the sage-dring-panel.
Yumi was very present on that earth, sir.
He wasn't a farm-focused earth, sir.
He was like fight and farm. It was just really good early game from a right
It's just the the stumbling of the later portion that again, I think we're like they have enough replays now that
One of them is gonna be a successful replay review
But yeah, the steps of the tier three is probably the biggest opponent
I feel like in the group stage and yeah stat wise for heroic you but you know
He only had one death to his name that top fight, but I gotta think even though it was an awkward game
he still was I
I think the early game was so strong from him, mistakes could happen.
I would say for them, if you look at it from an individual lens, they played pretty good.
But I think when it came to the team play and the important calls, they were kind of missing.
Because they did give Navi quite a big window to comeback, especially from this minute, 30 to 45.
I feel like they got three ag and a scepter, they got to find a divine rape here.
Like super big and core items without Heroic really trying to do much.
So obviously great win, but like we're harping on for the right reason. They need to improve on it
I mean, let's just go watch a replay about it
Then let's go look at some disruptor Riddies clutch play that did give a bit of life for Navi
Of course as they jumped in with the static storm and you know, tell you if you want to take it away
But these are the things that I think a cleaner team a better team wouldn't just run into into death here
Yeah, it's just because I I like heroic and I love high lung a lot
I think this guy is showing like a lot of promise and he's doing a lot of good things
But they do run into these moments where they over jump like you're up again
It's like kind of on you to like plan how do you want to go?
But once you go into deep with the tiny into the static storm, you know
They make this play lose their ages mess up the high ground push suddenly
Now if you to get another 10 minutes and against other teams, maybe you know in those 10 minutes
We actually end up losing the game. I mean that also wasn't even an axe. That's not right
That was just like playing on the BKB time is like if you know what you have
You don't care about the shifter just play on your own timings
You don't need to get caught like this and of course you mentioned the items right the idea of like what happens
You know the repercussions of that bad fight you fast forward
So this is a screenshot kind of like five to minutes after that the shenanigans of disruptor getting those kills in the mid lane with his team
Of course, yes, it's not just that you give them the time but like look at the heroes you're paying and stairs are slaughtered clings in
In the game that you're playing and nobody has an AC like how is there no AC on your heroes?
I understand like cuz Quinn was saying in the in the green room, you know
Maybe tiny should buy the sheevahs, but maybe tight actually has to buy it
So he has the mana for the refresher, you know, he can go Shiva refresh
But someone else has got to buy it like you have tazzle
That's the only guy who's like giving you any armor against slaughter clings
You know what they're gonna do and shoot you to death so help yourselves
Yeah, and you see the niku right with the a on this third item right?
I don't actually use I want this is looking pretty bad. It's got a on this
They use that a on this worked out so and then you just got a hex. It's like I don't know
I feel like yeah, I wrote just someone on the team made the cool
Do not go near the base and it just it kind of felt like they were offering up a moment for their opponents to get into the game
And then we do have a final clip they want to look at where this was you must you know only deaf in the game
But you got to give props to Niku he did such a good job kind of creating up petition between her works engagement
But when you were jumps in he's constantly just buffering buffering dragging them back
They kind of like they're poking the back line just enough to kind of stop the clean initiation, right?
If it's an earth and a tide if it's an earth sir and a tiny, you know
If there's a clear one-two punch from a horror get any point of the game
Na'Vi will die, but in this fight, from the mid-fight to this fight, Na'Vi was clinging on, really, really clinging on.
And of course, we saw the end of the game, just a simple two-man ravage, Slaughter thinks Na'Vi's game's over,
but that's because Na'Vi kept, I guess, forcing errors from Heroic, and never offering up those errors first.
Sure, they did it once and lost the game, but again, there's so many different points where you can critique Heroic.
And we've got to, of course, critique Na'Vi as well, like their early game, Slaughter losing the lane,
the fact they did play on the back foot, kind of praying for Heroic to give them an opportunity.
opportunity. Yeah I would say I expected maybe just a little more at least when it
came to like Navi's early to mid game. I think once they did get the space they
used it like very well because they did get to these core items like I was a
little scared for heroic in this game. Obviously ultimately they come out with
the W but Navi got towards all the times that they kind of wanted. They
did at the very end make like a quite big blunder like Riddie's running in
without the buyback because heroic had like a nice high ground ward and then
the game kind of just ended on the spot you know after like defending
it so nicely but you know Navi they're overall doing well I think
should be happy and heroic. I think it's just a big sigh of relief and move on and try to slowly tweak
like this middle leg game. Yeah, I mean, that's gonna be a hard thing to tweak. It's something that
you don't just have one chat and it gets fixed, right? That's something that needs to be fixed
over time. But my golly, gosh, the rest of today, of course, the best of one madness, it is gonna
be all concluded today to find out who our top two teams are. And in slams of the past,
you know, here we'd be like, well, we kind of know, but look at this. Look at this.
OG, Na'Vi, Liquid, Xtreme, even trying to mix Yandex, Heroic and Falcons, all sitting in contention to fight for that last second place spot.
Because again, the bottom teams that I just mentioned have a game in hand.
If they're to win that, drag another team into the mix, it really is every single team I just mentioned could potentially get that second place.
It's super open and it's honestly nice to see, because also I think what Nat told me is that Tundra haven't lost more than like two games in a group stage.
Actually this time around they could they already like on seven in a two scoreline and no one is like, you know cruising away
You know that all these games like even for the middle of the pack or even like the lower off the pack
Like they can also cruise to like you know the top eight and you have the middle of the pack
They can kind of cruise like the top two. It's super exciting. Yeah, and of course falcons yandex
We mentioned there on the five four side of the scoreline
They are playing against each other now and that is going to be winner goes to six and four
Knocking the other person probably out of that second place contention
So this upcoming Buster 1 is so critical for either team to be able to just kind of keep their hopes alive for second place in the slam format
So big 75. It's so chill. You just you just stop playing you just watch everyone else play
And then you just rock up of course Buster 5 at least but yeah, something final feels OP at least
It must feel nice because you don't really have this at like other tournaments where you just like you giga skip
It's like an ultra card that you just play and you're like well
I'm out for like a couple days. I'm you know, just secure
But I will say that both these teams are they're getting more hot like per day
I think especially for me Yandex they they keep improving and like they keep kind of impressing as well because
Teams I will say they don't always rate them fairly like they keep underweighting them, which is good for them
You know if teams like give you too little credit. That's good for you
Are you speaking based on your initial seating of the the bracket? Are you speaking from a personal position here?
Or are you projecting? I was the this is Goldfish brain again where I don't even know where I think I ranked like six
I'm gonna do the 6-7. I don't know where exactly they are. They're close there
But you know enough of that I want to show you some stuff that they do that makes them good because I've got a couple of drafts
You know, that's a little bit of digging in homework. So this team when you pick on the Lord who in my mind
He is one of the best offlaners. I mean he chose in their win read right for wins just one loss
Which happened I believe in the last series, but it's not just this hero. It's how they pair it together
They always pick on the Lord together with her so they did it once on a 16 17
So like it's the double pick because if Razor is banned Ursa would be one of your like your next go-tos
And in the other draft they close the first phase with Underlord then open the second phase with the Ursa
So just you know it goes to show that they love both these heroes and they also understand that this is what we need to do
To like protect him you lane with Soxa. He gives you some stacks. Here's your good lane chill game
I mean but conceptually as well for how sucks I was to play
He's one of the more not playing four positions, right?
He looks to set up, get information, provide things, win even Underlord, you can always have that.
He's just going to sit there and farm, do his job, play solo, so yeah, I think independent offlaners are probably a theme into that success.
Brewmaster can do it as well, and Nigma from Notice can do it.
Didn't see it the other day though, it was a rough game.
I mean the other day we did see it but we didn't see him because that was not a good game.
Yeah, but there will be another game where we'll see the Nigma and it's like, oh my god, that's why teams used to ban it out in the first phase, right?
But that was, again, a game we probably should forget, but again, I think just any time you're offline that can provide time for Saxid to do his job, you're going to feel great.
And going back to the underlaw one last time, nine games played 78% win rate.
So, and that is in this slam group stage.
So it is kind of one of those maybe little sleeper heroes that people aren't really respecting as much.
But when it gets picked up, it's looking pretty good.
I do think he's really good.
To me, there's something about itemization, like everyone and their family, they want to buy auras, right?
Because they're good. They're easy to buy. It's simple.
It's simple, but once you go from the I buy these items, now you can't fight me, and then his next item is Aghanim Scepter.
So you shut down the teamfighting, so they have to resort to playing the map and ratting.
But then your next item naturally helps you at catching them on the map globally.
I think this concept is really, really strong, and overall he has good laning, so yeah, for me this is like a top 3 offlaner for sure.
I'm just honestly looking back at Falcons, I'm just seeing their results, seeing that many losses to their name.
Of course there have been other tournaments where they have the same but they are currently on an upward trajectory, they've been able to beat Maus, sure there's a plus 5 housecar in the game so yeah we don't talk about that.
Maybe there's like a donation or something, I don't know, maybe some payment received.
Yeah payment received and then of course they were able to beat out Spirit as well.
So Falcons after a shaky loss to OG and Liquid are at least kind of returning to some form but again let us see what the draft has between the Andex and Falcons.
Let us see if Yandex will give away a Huskar, or a Viper, or a Razor, or any of the other
standard Falcons here.
I think of the level 30 heroes that Falcons do have, which is too many to ban, so you'll
have to give them some and then well play into the others but for now no you
know silly business with the Huskar no razor either so nothing too special really
at least some of the heroes that are open you know the frogman but falcons
don't really play it I was gonna mention the viper but most teams that
have first pick don't really get to touch this hero. Would you like a fun fact
you can't say no. I love fun facts. Oh thank you. Falcons are yet to win a
game on first pick at the Blaster group stage. Really how many games is
They've been second pick in every single game bar one in which they lost the one game
they were first picked so they are looking to be a second pick favorite game.
I mean I understand but I'm like a bit I'm a bit torn because they should be a good
first pick team because I think they just want like their stuff you know they have
their solid heroes they play them well even if you like outmatch them in lanes a bit
they know how to play maybe second pick is just easier because you know people
I always say you have Amar and Maureen who share heroes.
One thing to note is they are also majority on dire side,
so potentially they're taking a side
and then other team takes first pick, force them to second.
But either way, between dire or second pick,
that's the majority of their games.
Interesting. Yeah, I'm kind of strange.
Like, that they just haven't won a single game on first pick,
because it doesn't really strike me
like a team that should struggle with this.
And you know here, sure,
you buy another couple of the heroes
to get that you're a hero.
Yeah, next hero, we haven't seen too much with the Axe, of course, is a hero that in some matchups you can leave him alone, if you help him early on.
You just kind of need to make sure he doesn't really run into like some Ursa matchups, which is absolutely the worst for him to play into.
Axe simply is a forgotten hero, right? Two games played so far in the tournament in regards to bans, not banned at all during the group stage.
So, yeah, two games, two losses, the hero hasn't really changed in its philosophy.
You are still going to be the aura-buying, annoying, off-laner.
There's still an argument, I think, in some games where the blink blade now will still
be prevalent, but majority is just the, kind of, the 33-esque aura, let me just buff
up the people and go crazy.
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, I'm not surprised we don't see this hero much.
I think this hero's a little bit of a froge concern.
Like, there's a lot of, like, heroes you don't really like to play into, and
And I think there's quite a few carries that also don't hate you that much.
Just to go back to the Ursa, I think that should be a pick or ban for a Yandex here.
The easier one would just, well, it would be to ban it.
Yeah, it's the easiest option.
But what we've seen from, you know, the thing I showed, I mean, they do it with
On the Lord, when they do like the, okay, we pick him, we need to cover him, we can
pick the Ursa ourselves if we want to, because it is also a very prominent hero
for the Skid God.
Okay, they take out Abaddon again.
Actually it's like a badden Ursa
There are at least a couple heroes that come to mind, but
Yeah, the Ursa will be
The hero to keep thinking about at least what's down that takes that time
I thought also like when I haven't seen this matchup yet
But it should like if I if I was a Largo player and I see offline acts
I would just want to play position 5 Largo. He pops on battle hunger. I go
Sure, yeah, he's
When I see Largo at its captain's mode my head went to
later second phase hero pick where it's like you see any dispell in lane that's
what you want to pick. You see Darksea, Phoenix, Axe, lock in the
the lick God and go crazy. Because it's also like against Axe hates playing against
hero I mean first of all he's a good laner so obviously he wants to play off
of that but then later he doesn't want to jump into like this hellhole of team
fight spells right like Jakiro can be he's kind of whatever in the lane but
later there's like some ice path there's some eggs there's tombstones
and random carries like requiem to jump into, not really what you want.
Do not be a meanie. I come for you all.
So what is a hero they at least I believe haven't played so far in the group stage,
but easily can be carry or fall position for them.
I know that Saxa definitely had a long, you know, stint of playing this hero and same with
Watson, I think he was actually one of like the earlier guys to bust it out as a carry.
I'm a big believer of Martha as a carry.
But are they preemptively going, we think you might ursa, so we're taking on Muater, we're going to have a good lane because potential 4 position Muater, and even if we need to go carry, we have the kind of the unsympathetic damage tile carry.
I do definitely think there's an aspect to this.
There's so much reserve time that there had to be some bigger picture behind it because they're not just spending as much time to pick on Muater.
Like they are moving some steps ahead.
And I do like the ringmaster.
I feel like it gives you like a little bit of both, you know, you have the save against the axe, your long range
But you also have like the counter teamfight where you can either annoy him from not getting out by like throwing the wheel behind him
Or if they over jump same story, so I like this a lot
There's not that many teams that play ringmaster, but Falcons are very good with it both snaking and crit
But they are setting up the need for having the frontline right like Falcons historically
You always talk about multiple here to just push them to start the fight using annoying stuff
They are still yet to get a single here to do that, right?
Shakira rumours they even clinked they want to play on someone else initiating
someone else kind of providing information to then thrive so both Amar
and Malrin will need to find the tide hunters the primal beasts the kind of
the chaos here is trying to tie this together I want to see where Yandex take
this because like you're saying I mean Falcons and like if you're Yandex you
know that they need these heroes you just talked about these are like three
ranged bros that want to play behind someone that actually goes in for you
and that'll give you the information.
Enough of Yandex.
Least of optimization from Axe.
Are you looking towards Blink Blade now?
Just trying to kill Clinkz, like a classic?
Or are you still looking towards the Aura's and hoping that you can just
buff your team up enough that
when Clinkz only has a Deso, you have one Aura
and your teamfool is going to try and break the map before Clinkz gets to his
2, 3, 4, 5 items where he truly obliterates people?
Definitely the one thing I'm looking for is that we still take like
one guy that goes on with me, so it's not just me,
because I think then you kind of like get this freedom of like choosing like after the drafters over and when the game does start because
I don't could be good. So they will still go back to the Earth Star. I mean, why not?
Yeah, I like that again because Murta was one of the few heroes that they can flex from support to carry
and then you already mentioned how important the sub was within the draft.
It takes away some of the aspects of the melee offlaner, right?
It kind of always ties back to what Falcons want and it's just excessive.
I mean, let's see, so, because something I could see, like, when you're playing one guy that goes in, they play on a save with the Ringmaster.
Maybe you give up some laning, but I would have said there's a chance that SC could have come out, you know, it's like, okay, we pressure the guy, you can't save, but this is like a similar vein.
You jump the guy, he gets saved, Warlock gets to chill a bit, wait for your fight, wait for your fight, let them respond, then drop yourself.
I like the Mars pick. Of course, a Mars, it's, you know, very simple combination there, but being able to buy Yul's on any hero, if you feel good into Axe and Ursa, Mars.
But you can buy it first item if you really need to or you can buy it as a later item
But still yeah yours very powerful and you know warlock ursa
It's not that scary of a lane warlock wants heroes that can kill with you
And because there's a ringmaster and you have a spear from the Mars
I was never gonna really lock on to a single area. You're gonna get pushed back or slowed or something
So yeah Mars will farm us all farm
Yeah, very fine pick. Yeah, I do like like in terms of if you just look at both drafts
They do have a lot of playability, but I feel like Yandex are a little more like
Single target, you know, they rely on like this jump either by the axe or when Ursa has like two three items
And you give some full ups fells
Whereas I feel like Falcons they have a bit more like sneaky stuff that can happen
You know a good ice path
You have a wheel of wonder somewhere an arena that clings can chip in the jacquero can chip in obviously Yandex still have last pick
So, you know they have a bit of room to like still change the tide
Yeah
I think my concern at least for Yandex is their supports can feel sometimes lost in the game that you want levels
multiple items and then outside of that Falcons like Shakira ringmaster even in
a bad game it just takes one escape back to one ice path and you can turn around
a fight quick enough to open up for someone else that success yeah for sure
I think if you're Yandex you're looking at like a playmaking mid that
is live to your bros on the supports I think like Storm, Ember, both teams want it
yeah absolutely I mean it depends a bit on like what Falcons will end up
going for here but I think Storm Ember just are great especially when you
play Muerta sub you need a setup like for your W. I mean you can be a godlike Muerta
and set up some stuff yourself but Axe is gonna one time, Ursa needs time and you
have last pigment choose your match up go for the hero that sets up your
supports and you'll be chilling. Where's Mr. Malrin what will he wants? I'm
leaning towards Beastmaster myself it's one of the few kind of mid heroes that
can play any matchup. You're just chilling, you're just farm and then you
don't really care about wallop Muerta support during the front of the game. Axe
jumps you, again you don't really care. Sure, roaring and urseling would never feel good,
but I just think it's enough of a body that once you get to like XBKB shoes, even before
that with just X blink, you are kind of like a conductor of the game that will then give
life to other heroes to do well. Is it as quick on the map as maybe some of the other
heroes you were mentioning? I definitely do kind of like that. I think that's up
in his arsenal. Has he played it much lately? And he was one of like the earlier ones
to bust it out, I do remember that. Yeah, he's had a couple games, at least
Just in the slam, he's finished 10-3-14 against Mouse in one of his games.
Let me refresh my memory on Mr. Malrein.
The thing with Malrein's hero is that you're not really breaking the map too quickly.
Playing into a clinch, he lost the pump there, so, and Amar wants to also kind of
chill TP right out of the arena.
He doesn't want to be dragged into fight, so there is an argument that Malrein having
a somewhat farming playmaking mid hero is fine as long as you all can shove waves cleanly
enough that you're not getting just overwhelmed but Ursa doesn't really break over in the
game.
Yeah, not really.
He farms lane into fury.
I would assume also here like with the slaughter band they're more aiming for like a melee
hero which I would like a little bit more as well like someone else that connects
your supports together you already have the clings who does want to play in the back
line but I think there's a lot of things that are at least a little bit susceptible
Like Malrina Ember is not that high up on my rating. I think Monkey King Blind also is a little bit sus
I mean, Tango did get some nerfs, but for some reason some players are still playing it
They keep it
Okay seems like very normal very chill
I think if you're Yandex, there's nothing wrong with just jamming like an Ember into the slot
Unless you feel like you have someone similar that's like shuts down the tiny a little bit more in the game
But I think there's like no natural like orchid buyer. You've got the flamethrower
You have to set up for the mortar. I won't mid earth spread for chair. Just kind of cool, too
Like you utilize fatal bonds really nicely on the wall. Okay, okay, I'll take you can quickly get around the fight
I mean, I think they both like offer similar things that they were looking for right? I think whatever he feels more he'll go for it
For the Ember, good lane, makes it super easy setup for your sub, so I do like that quite a lot, I think also with Warlock you just want to follow some dude and kind of heal him and get some small skirmishes going.
Like Warlock's going to want to finish Twin Gate quite early on, walk into the Muerta Axe lane, soak up a grimoire charge or two, walk towards mid on a rune contest.
Whilst Muerta Ember is getting the kills off, thank you very much for another grimoire.
Then you get your your level your level six at the seven-minute mark eating it take a tower
So yeah, I think so for malady
It's just wherever the regression just poke your head in it like it is to come through the ember in the water but
Ember a lot of the a lot of focuses on him both axe and sir of course a little bit more greedy in nature
Yeah, I would say that I like both drafts a lot and I see like the playability for both
I will say that
For Falcons, kiting is quite important because I do think that Yandex rely on these jumps quite a bit
Like the only one that will deal like a lot of damage is Ursa later
So like getting one ULZ or maybe two like playing a tiny that's like on a spellcast
So you know like force ULZ, Octary, maybe an AC later
That's like where Falcons will take this because to me I like what Yandex have you know
They've played a lot of Ursa on Watson. He's very good on this hero
They have a very good like you know the support ball with like the mid support
So I feel like we're in for absolutely like a gameplay game that will decide it
They have the tools that we often ask for against the master right ways to soak up an arena to then allow someone else to shine
Axe or certain but all can do that same thing to a tiny when he jumps in
He's not really gonna hundred to zero any of these cores
He's gonna have to try and play for the support
So there's a world where yandex if their cores are online in the right place
They can just combo break falcon's initiation and then you feel lackluster
I think for falcon's though
They're support you just feel stronger in the early game when you bring them to a room when you bring them to an objective
when it's a three on three fight, two supports on a call, I think Falcons have the edge there.
Yeah, I think so too. I mean it's going to depend like a little bit also like this mid matchup,
I guess like the Ember Warlock is kind of cool, but I'm also, I want to see how Saksa gets out
of this top lane. I know that Axe can skew lanes a little bit with Battlehunger, but Kling's Jukiro
as a range four, that's not an easy lane for you to play if you're the Morita.
No, not at all, and let us not forget, of course Yandex sitting at five and four, Falcons
sitting at five and four, the winner of this series potentially will have the chance to
to continue their hopes on a second place finish.
A rematch from the Chengdu Semi-Finals,
Falcons versus Yandex last two times.
The last time these two teams matched up against each other
was in that semi-final, best of three,
And then before that was the Chengdu groups.
Falcons walked away with a victory in the groups,
but it was Yandex who managed to get the upset
in the semifinals and got themselves into the grand finals
where, well, that didn't go so well,
but hey, they're match up against Falcons.
It seems like they've got some at least recent history
in their favor, Avery.
I think Yandex prefer a very methodical game.
You know, they have socks, so they have that old tundra tech
that kind of want to play the map, get farm scale.
And I think Falcons are not a team that's going to run you over,
unless you give them one of ATF's lane dominators, which,
if you saw in the draft, the first four bands were Razor,
Viper, Timber, and Huskar.
So that tells you everything you need to know about this matchup.
The Andes just don't want to get lane dominated by those like cheesy ATF picks
and the Huskar, of course.
So as long as they can survive, get Watson Farm, get Soxapharma,
I do kind of like them in this matchup.
I think it can be a tough team for Falcons to crack
because they just kind of want to play the same style
and play the map efficiently, and you're not
going to be able to outform them.
So it might come down to some lane skill
or some Falcons specialty in terms
of that team fighting synergy, which can always just
beat you with how good it is,
especially with some of Chris playmaking.
I kind of like that they are still the one team running
this ring master.
I think this hero still has some decent value in the meta.
He's one of the few saves that also has aggressive potential.
So it's kind of cool to see them still running it.
Yeah, and I think it's important to have good synergy
with this hero.
It's a hero whose kit by itself can be a little awkward.
But here you have something like you have two,
first of all, you have to melee
initiators are going to go in and
stun for you to set up the wheel
to set up the whip. That's really
helpful. The arena is quite
good at being able to just keep
heroes in the wheel of wonder
AoE. So even if they don't
look at it, they still do the
wheel still explodes and does
the damage if they're stuck
inside the arena. And the
landing phase is going to be
very strong because ring
impalement arts and Mars is a hero that really takes advantage of that.
See what Falcons could put together in this early game. They trade out runes and
are going for their classic just max as many stat items as you can get into
early CS domination. A lot of branches on Maul Ring, kind of interesting, pent-a-branch
build for this tiny. Just as much stats as he can get and rush the bottle against the Ember
Spirit. The early first blood set up there from Yandex doesn't work out, Snake King. He
managed to dodge the warlock sitting at the top lane. First blood, not going to be taken
off in the Bounty Rooms or any early rotations. They really got this top lane back fast though.
This is super nice for notice. No pulls available.
This axe is just chilling up here, whereas ATF is going to play this lane a little farther up against...
What is a warlock lane? So this lane will kind of...
Oh, that is beautiful.
...been a beautiful fear back straight into the blood grenade and battle hunger.
That's a deadly combination.
And this is all a product of where that lane is.
Like, they just got it back so fast that the Klingx has to play up super far.
get a really nice position with this more than easy little run down. They also make it
go before level 2 on Clinks where he can get depth back to easily remove battle hunger
and just make himself a lot harder to kill. Right, they're trying to kill him again here.
Yeah, I think they should man, something aggressive one way or another. It's like
snaking is just going up and you can like he does not want to let them get
aggressive on his clinks again. So just kind of trading out his regen to run
interference, remove the hunger and try to fight for these camps. See if you can get
the D-word before the spawn. It's gonna be close. Yeah, it gets it. Value brand. He's
dead.
I don't know who I expected to see die in this lane.
But, was it a calculated deathmoss?
Okay.
Because he does get a strong man tonic.
Yeah.
You can also get that by killing the enemy instead of dying.
True.
But now he has a strong mantaonic, so ATFs probably like, you know, go die to me so if
you come back, have strong mantaonic.
And then we're invincible.
It's true.
I mean, he's got his patented double bracer build already, so he's going to be getting
a strong.
nice toss back there. Maureen giving a lot of damage on Chirra Jr. Thanks to that toss
and it will be a fairy fire plus some bottle hits. Keep Chirra Jr. alive. Nice little bit
of pressure. It looks like 15 and 5 for Maureen compared to Chirra Jr.'s 12 and 2. Maureen
getting the much better of this matchup.
Lanes are definitely going Falcons way in terms of the CS capability. Early stat
items paying off, particularly for the Smars and the Tiny Mid.
And the Axe, I mean he had the fastest start with that kill, but this is just a tough lane
to play over the long run.
So much range to our ass.
Either have to all in gap close Skeeter and just kill him 100 to 0 with the chase down
or you're just going to get forced off CS eventually.
But it's going fine for most.
The kill boosts him up.
Getting some good CS here.
you just got to weather the storm devil blood grenade on snaking could prove fatal maria
junior driving low again maureen they're battling back and forth both of them quite low both of
them expend every last bit of resources they have the bottles the fairy fires the magic
wand charges all of it's gone snaking is going to take out to the battle hunger socks
up being the nice guy that he is let's him take out to the battle hunger so notice
can get that extra bit of farm the faster he gets that helmet down the more
independent noticed can be and Soxa is free to roam around the map at that point
and snaking really got over upon this top lane yes nothing he hasn't been able to
get pulls off he's been killed on the side he's not trading well kind of rare I
see snaking play lane to this rough a degree so very consistent very solid
layer and he's just been outclassed up here he's had to invest he bought
Double blood grenade hasn't been able to use it. He bought fairy fire hasn't used it.
Range drop now. It's a huge investment for a five in all these early consumables.
Like his net worth is negative GPM territory.
So some work to be done for him to recover in this game.
Maulene brings himself a healing salve.
So he'll have the resource advantage over cheerer jr.
But you're a junior got a ranger op so he's less likely to get bursted down by the tiny combo
Yeah, he'll be fine. It'll be fine. It's more about the power rooms and everything
Maybe there's some mind games, it's like socks against snaking, you know
This used to be a support a ti winning support. Do it. He just knows him too well. Yeah, could be a
A lot of damage on a bar, Crit teleporting away from the lane.
He's gonna join him, this top push is Malady has already gone through the gate and they
knew about that and they will find him a little bit isolated.
I always wonder about these moves.
For whatever reason Warlocks always make this gate play.
I don't know if it's just because at some point you're no longer needed in lane and
so Warlocks just kind of default to like well I guess I'll go gank the other lane
But it's not like warlocks the most proficient ganking support hero. No, there's a big reason why it happens. Okay
Now I'll tell you after we watch this gig as Falcons
Get a lotus for a mar. I mean they're gonna rotate both their supports down here
Gotta get something out of this I think they're also an award both teams worded the gate. It's gonna pay off here
of the
top or coming in for the future junior, the government of our
There's just no way you can juke through all of this cheer junior cuts him down now looks at crit as well
A lot of these heroes are gonna be low here crit with the whip won't be able to keep himself alive
Cheer junior with two kills and now playing for the wisdom shrine has no team another 10 seconds
He's gonna have to jump out with Maureen making the rotation over and low resources
They still could test us though
They're going to try, but Maureen is here and yeah, they know about it, they know about it.
But forcing the time you have to go there is still a victory as Denver went straight back
to mid, so a nice little rune for Junior and it's just unfair in that scenario, but that's
life.
The six minute haste continues to be a force.
Force to be reckoned with to be sure.
Notice he's gotten to his homodom so he's kind of guaranteed to keep top
net worth here as he is far above everybody else in this game.
Early kill, never died for ECS. Axel do that, can even build some stacks for him
which there's a couple socks again some double stacks up with the smart
Not too difficult. So yeah he's gonna be fat. Real fat.
Metapow rune. Contested and spawns, it's top.
Crit will take that away from Chirr Jr. Meanwhile Dive's spear goes out.
Mages catch Malady and they'll try and finish Malady off.
Sneaking is only committed for it, doesn't manage to get the kill before he dies to Watson.
His map is going the Andix's way though.
That's the big thing here.
The Falcons, they're not losing out massively in any of these small individual trades, but
I still feel like their supports are pretty far behind, which is not generally good against
Ember.
The Warlock is very far ahead, already had the gold amount on the field, Socks have
played top well, and they're just losing towers now, losing control to this Axe
who's taken over a lot of space.
Can't really force this Ursa off the waves.
There's a pressure going into them in this early game.
We were taking the safe lane tower for free with the Helm-a-Dom creep,
and now with the Golem and the extra mid hero,
both side lane tier ones taken out very early.
That's a value goal right there.
Big value.
Anyway, you know why Warlocks always make that gate rotation?
Why?
Because they push the lane out.
Oh, with Fatal Bonds?
Yeah, it's hero just, if you're casting spells on lane, it's gonna go out.
And then you're kind of sitting there, and then your options are either to pull,
to boost your XP up, which is generally the better option,
but if you don't have access to a pull or the pull is garbage,
then it's just like a free gate rotation,
because you can't, you're not doing anything playing the lane when it's super far off as a world.
I don't really want to say because of the grimoire. They're all just like even though they don't really add much to the gank
They're just trying to force their off lane to go for kills so they can get grimoire charges. No, I just think it's
Laney Colibri, I think almost all the fives that end up doing that
It's like they look to that game partition, but they're not good at it. Yeah, cuz
What else are you doing in that downtime?
You got a shield room for Maureen, so he's not gonna be an easy kill much easier to go out to snatching
He's gonna be run down and with the shield run going out Maureen's trying to stay alive ahead of this golden play
But it's too much damage. He will not get called as that happen even leveled
Yeah, 044 build for notice that level eight dad
Well, I mean I I want to say that's not right, but the way this game's been going it's it's fun
And look at this he's gonna get a triple camp. So all these little golds and that is
an alchemy stream right there but Axel
gladly cleaned up too he is back and he
is quite jacked
and Validate we're now trying to hold
their their last remaining tier one
tower here in mid Maureen TP's back
into it to try and hold it but it's
probably gold it might survive but it's
gonna survive on a sliver of health
here. You're gonna smoke up and go to their clink skater who's scouting things
out for them in the triangle. A lot of stacks here and a kill in Soxa. They take
the kill. Do they have the power to take these neutrals? That's risky.
Oh that... okay that actually was very effective. Crashland and make short work
at the medium camp. The ancient camp is still free to be taken for T. Vendic.
I'm kind of surprised they got away with that, to be honest.
Like, was that remnant there?
You can chain gang them into potential Golem bonds
actually over at the index where they're like two or two seconds
faster, I think Falcons get obliterated on that spot.
But they knew the limits perfectly.
It does help Maureen a lot.
He's just trying to get over that hump to the blink
dagger between the medium camp and now the deny
on the mid tower Maureen is almost there.
I mean the blink on this tiny is everything for this lineup.
It brings everything together so
need it out as fast as possible here and then start making some plays with it.
Oh.
That was not the rest chains I've ever seen but you know, no harm done.
All space for the Ursa and the Axe here.
There's tiny blank, so time to smoke up, look for some sort of fight if you're Falcons,
try and get this Wheel of Wonder to work.
Maybe Arena as well, if ATF wants to join, but kind of like generally farming on this
Mars unless you can fight around towers, but all of his towers are already dead.
So it's kind of hard to bring this Mars into a play when all your tier 1's died
by 10 minutes. The back up Skeeter. He pushes out the top lane. Good scan though. You know
about Yandex cutting him off here. They're actually going to make the jump. Launch the
inverse spirits. He didn't get him in the wheel. They fear him into it. Got the
hypnotized. The heels are coming out though. Cheer Junior doesn't die. He's got a reach
He's going as well. That is actually super sick for him. Skeeter is going to be slowed down by the battle hunger foul kid.
He is screwed.
They got pulled into a fight. Oh, the whip and miss. And now notice gets the call for the calling blade in the end.
The spear goes out. Malady does not die to it. Amar charges in and quickly falls to his grave.
Now it's just one by one. They're going to die to being slowed down by battle hunger and slight chains.
The heals were so impactful in this engagement.
Oh no, there's not a man of them anymore.
You can't get the culling blade chop either way.
A massive victory for Yandex of 6k off of that team fight.
Got some culling blade charges, there are coats of blood there.
They are rocking it right now.
Now you leave that teamfight recap.
Nothing for the Ursa cause he's not even there man.
That's just four on five decimation. Zero. Going the way of Falcons in that
engagement. The heals are just too much to burst through for the Tiny and that is
a massive setback. That was your like one blink chance to try and get some big
core kill and kind of turn the tide of this game and now you're just so far
behind. These heals are gonna tank up even more. I think they fed him a Lotus
They had a larger Lotus already, plus the Warlock Heal, plus Warn Charge.
Man, that seems about right. It felt like he got a couple different sources of Heal.
Yeah, I thought someone had a Lock already or something, but I think it was just Lotus.
I think the Index almost... I think they're one of the teams that utilizes these Lotuses really well.
Falcons also saved them a lot of times, but I think Soxa is very big on taking these early Lotuses
notices combining them and saying like we saw him do with the shadow shaman right
yeah he prioritizes that a lot on that hero this team thinks about them significantly and
these things are kind of underrated i think a lot of teams just kind of collect them in the lane
phase and blow through them it's just like whatever but if you actually save and combine them and
use them in fights it's a lot of appeal in the early game it's like double mech on somebody so
So I kind of like that tech.
I think more teams should be disciplined about that instead of just, you know, like, lazily
chopping away.
Little things that are just like efficiency lotus where they like drop their bracers in
order to get a little bit bump in the healing mana instead of actually saving them for a
big team fight.
Yeah, like a bar he just took one.
He just ate it.
Yeah.
Like how much is it really doing for him here?
You know, behind them are Watson step forward, but they did not feel confident about their jump.
And now they're just going to miss it entirely.
They're going to have to go through the gate if they want any action with this smoke.
There is nobody on Yandex on this side of the map.
There's been a really awkward game for Falcons, just not their style, not their tempo.
The lanes were really weird.
I don't think either Falcon support was happy with how they're laying one
Also, don't think they were too happy with the the trade out that happened. Oh, you are screwed my friend
And doesn't even have
Escape act yet only level seven
Now the embers spirit to the tp bottom to try and slow down this push or maybe take away the last
on the tower. Yeah they're roaching right now so no reason to fight that tier one of you just go
roach. What I'm saying is I don't think falcons were happy with this last pick exchange. Like a lot
of the mids got fanned out. I think the two bans that Yandex had on the same king and the primal
were paps. Like absolutely pivotal in that trap. I think he wanted primal 100% and then Tiny was
this like soft backup option but it's not really the same hero. I think I was gonna pick off
there, but you lost Roche. 17 and a half minute Roche on for this Ursa lineup. Now with this
extra life, they're still gonna try and take a fight into it. They got the ice bath up,
it's your junior hitting with this rear. They can do enough physical damage and they can.
A beautiful fatal bonds though is making it that Falcons are losing this fight regardless.
They've already lost their two supports and now Amar, he's gonna be caught in the mix.
Skeeter's just gonna make a run for it, man.
He might get run down by notice.
He's got a dust.
He hits him with the battle hunger.
And then with the dust, Skeeter's not going anywhere.
So, I guess the rest of his team still needs to back him up.
There's a jumping from Wattson to finish him off with the calling blade.
Do not want Skeeter wanted that toss.
Yo bro, chill bro.
Why you do this to me, man?
That was not a very helpful toss, but it does get noticed the extra calling blade.
So that was pretty good.
Tiny Airlines man, sometimes it's not the ticket you want, you know.
So as you get put in that like middle economy seat to the wrong destination, your luggage
gets lost and then you get Koomba stomped by the guy sitting in the aisle.
So that's like, what can you do?
You know, I know the Maureen specialty on Mids is just, it melee heroes.
I don't really think of them as a tiny player.
No.
He's a little dirty though.
Yeah, of course.
It is pretty impressive how these guys have expanded.
I mean, you look back two years ago, right?
It was like Maureen and Amar had like two heroes, Grandmaster each.
Now I feel like they've got like 10, 12.
It's it's pretty formidable every patch. I think their heroes get nerfed
They always have some other heroes eat buff because their pools are so large. Yeah
There's always something in the meta
Like this patch. I don't even think it's I don't even think this is a great falcon's patch
And they're still like all these first base bands, you know, the razor viper back
So now you got to deal with those those have been out of bed for a while, but they're
Absolutely a more classic so
the circle shifts, but there's always some part of it that's activated for the squad, however this game, they are just getting straight booty slapped out here.
Yeah, Montmarrin, he played Tiny 12 months ago, it was the last time he played it for starters. He's only played it 23 times in professional matches and has a 43% win rate.
That's terrible for him.
Yeah, I mean you look at his win rate for most heroes. It's like 60 to 65 70 percent
It's a lot of those kind of numbers way above 50
Again, I don't think Falcons were happy with their last pick options there
This is just not the hero you want him on like you can play it fine
But nobody is afraid of Maul ring tie here and you don't see Maul ring tie and you're like oh, man
It's not the Maul ring sinking. It's not the primal. It's not one of his sickies and
which is because it's still like a melee jump in spellcaster right it kind of
fits the same archetype of all of his other heroes
yeah I wonder why it's not as successful for one of those particular aspects into
the wheel very pretty combo but man the index are just never alone every single
time Falcons have started off on like the initiation they had earlier on the
Ember spirit. They may have got the Ember spirit, just like they got the warlock here,
but they are being heavily punished every move that they make.
As Ember is just wrecking them, they don't have good answers for Ture Jr. in this game,
and he's just running over, and they create so much space, these two side-laners are
just jacked. They just don't have the damage to bring all these cores down. You can
jump one person, but then, how do you win the fight after that?
drafts have been completely neutered.
Sox, even hunting the Mars down here in the ITF, he's just gone, no way to get out of this.
Self-duals.
He's gonna arena and try and TP away, but they're gonna drop the golem on him.
Cause, you know, the edX is far enough ahead, they are willing to drop golems for singular kills.
they don't need to focus on big team fights. Falcons can't win those either.
No, this game is spiraling incredibly fast. 15k gold lead at 22 minutes. That is
that's like GG territory. Yeah, you don't you don't see Falcons get shut out this badly very often.
She's super nice. Laney, especially from socks. I feel like socks, but on point this game.
Yeah, all these dead shots like half the dead shots in these fights have hit some other hero in the back of the fight
Just perfect spell cast smoke is gonna break on Skeeter. Just who they want to see
Socks is gonna die for it
But there's no way Skeeter really gets out of this situation as soon as the enemy team jumps in there is no disengage
It feels like they're gonna call this
It is one of those games. I think officers should call it
They're not afraid to just get out of these games that have gone wrong. This one has gone very well.
Yeah.
Oh, why, man? Falcons, uh, I was a bit surprised they were in this, you know, this four loss tie, you know, for that second spot.
I was a little bit surprised just because it feels like Falcons are in a rut.
I
Grab two and both two will die. I'm not even sure what they're doing here
I mean this that's what I'm saying. I expect the cult to come out because you just feel this one's over like it's just not gonna happen
There's no comeback coming here. I agree. They're just out of form right now
Very very rusty or
off the meta or whatever it is
TI win can do that. I mean how many teams have we seen you win TI and then that fire is gone, you know.
You relax a little bit. You can't relax in the world of Dota. All these other teams are hungry as hell.
They're gonna beat your ass. Right there's a good pick on.
Alright.
What's in the jungle?
What can they do with this? Roshan is not up.
and Torment are already got taken a while ago.
So, best they can get is a bit more farm.
ATF is just a non-factor in this one.
One in six, you want this Yule's build?
I don't think it's done anything.
I mean, in theory it's gonna get stacks or so,
but I haven't really seen it.
And so he just doesn't have blink,
can't make aggressive moves.
He's like kind of desperation format smoke,
just hoping that they find something good on the map.
And they are the rather sneaky spot considering this mid tier one tower is still up.
They drop a ward behind the tower to spot Warlock.
Get a toss back on him.
Here come the TP rotations.
The Ember Spirit is going to slow this retreat down.
Slight chains goes out.
Pull the gammar in.
Missed dead shot though.
And Falcons are still set up here.
After all, it's a five versus three.
They get the catch on the Ember Spirit.
Now the spear is well, the jump from notice hits Skeeter, but he can't quite do enough damage to burst him down.
A lot of cling damage is done and this time around Skeeter is able to back out.
The TP coming in from the Ursa, but the ending's gotta be careful with this man.
You do not want to be bleeding out kill after kill for this Falcon squad.
Come back in, go after Omar, escape back to Bale of Mouth and get me as you get the call though.
And with the spin, it'll finish him off and create almost nothing to the cooling blade.
He'll die to the battlehunker instead.
a little passive streak versus, yeah, big stacks notice has gotten so many kills how
many is he up to a monster kill streak 90% gold there wants and goes back in he might
just lose the gem for it Maureen blinking in couldn't get the toss and wants in is
a way what a world of difference it could have made for Falcons if they get that extra
kill on the your son take away the gem but still it's a Falcons victory either
way. That was a wild refill from the edicts. That almost threw the entire game. Like Watson
put the gem on him before he jumped in trying to find his claims. Super nice move for Falcons
with the flank and then the re-initiation call from ATF saying like guys we gotta go
this is an opportunity we're not gonna get again. Making something out of nothing in
this game. The perfect chain stun spell casting on that ember. And he got tossed
And then speared in the toss to the wall into the wheel of wonder
You need all that to bring this ember down. They had it perfectly
Oh my god, he's just dead. He lost the chin anyway. Oh my god
Yeah, I swear I'm like the I have to be the most powerful caster in terms of cursing teams I've ever seen dude
I mean you were you were accurately assessing that this game was done and
I thought they're a Gg out and then all of a sudden it's like a 10k gold swing they get gemned they went to team fights 18
Deso charges online this tiny s bkb now
3000 gold bottom are they're aggressively invading the indexes area
Yeah, it's it is crumbling
Falcons are playing with that aggression where like the game was already lost anyway, you know
So they're just trying to make the most of the situations presented to them and the aggression is catching Yandex by surprise
Maureen he's gonna go after him hit it with the avalanche
Skeeter follows it up crimson guard. It does not quite
Who does signality and now with a cost back trying to get the clings away before staff an arena
It saves Skeeter Skeeter turn the car the big aoe damage can he finish off these heroes with the avalanche
They're all so wrong looking sure junior finally he goes down skater walking back into the macro player in the dead shot
That ends up going away. I toss away again the battle hooker taking him out though
And he will die notice too good with the jumps has gotten too many grabs on this clink
That was still an insane fight from Falcons
I don't think they have any business doing anything in these fights and they almost pulled that one out with some sick combo
still the index too far ahead crimson plus pipe on this axis just that is a lot
to get through from being down as far as they are just so they've taken yeah that
crimson guard was way too value this early on it just makes the cling stop
doing damage well also because he's so high level he's already level 21 he has
the extra strength town he already has 3400 HP so like this crimson is giga
strong yeah it's not some 2000 HP acts this is this is a noticed axe witness me
highest net worth in the game by the way 9-1 and 13-17 coat of blood stacks working towards
an AC because he is the carry now you can yes
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
Ships in the night. Oh, yeah.
Well, this game got salvaged quite a bit. Still very tough position, but Falcons did not GG out.
I'm sure somebody wanted to try somebody's like let's go next guys and they're like, oh, we can play
The question is you you've gotten control of the game back
Skeeter cannot afford to get caught here. He is trying to finish up his agonist up there
And if he gets that agonist up there
Come by the rod of a toast dead shot back into the silence
and that presents an opening. I was going to say, is Yandex strong enough to go high ground,
especially if this burning army comes online, but a pick off like that, it got a minute worth
of four versus five and they have an Aegis. I'm surprised they're not willing to hit
high ground.
I want Tormentor instead, I guess.
I guess, yeah.
Maybe they're watching that heroic game.
I'm through the gate
Amar blinks back
Not gonna be caught by this rotation take the door mentioned meanwhile, which gives socks a huge shard
They're still in such a strong position that were twice of it
I don't actually mind them playing it a little slow because of how shaky this game got
And you just finish up a couple next big items here. I think the team play
becomes almost impossible just
where's the damage gonna come from in this falcon's lineup like your spell
damage is starting to fall off a bit HP pools are getting way too large I mean I
feel like you're always gonna have damage because they have toss back into
clinks right like a toss back into an isolated hero with the burning armory
the army and everything I think clink is the damage I don't think everybody else
is just there to absorb hits and set people up for the clinks to hit but
if the clink goes down or he gets blocked out somehow it just not going to be good.
And that does make teamfights pretty straightforward for Yandex.
Anybody who does have a blink dagger, use it to get to clinks.
And that's some good heroes for getting on top of him.
Like I think Axe is very good.
Doris is very good.
And the Ember has mobility, so.
You know, if BKB on noticed as well, he will happily jump in deep.
There is your burning army so level 20 burning army skater kind of trying to salvage the scheme
I'm always surprised when you're behind like this when you going a town like the 350 bonus health
Like I look at it is if you're behind you have to maximize damage
right because if Skeeter gets jumps is it gonna matter if he has an extra 350 health I don't
think so maybe maybe they all I know is one of you is a two-time tier winner the other
is a podcaster so I was waiting for the what about the other I was trying to think of
the most PG thing I can say.
I was trying to notice it took me a while.
He's rocking off the damage, man, but he is going to be still hunted down.
None of the team is here to help him.
So eventually, DKB wears thin and that's a great trade-off.
Off-laner for off-laner, Falcons will take that every single day,
especially given the look of the gold difference between those kills.
700 gold for the kill on Ammar, but it's a 1,300, almost 1,400 gold
before Falcons off the notice kill.
I mean, I think sometimes Axe players take one-man army a little too literally, you know.
Yeah.
Guys, I gotta use my facet.
I can't have any of it.
I'm going in.
And then you're a one-man coffin, so...
I guess every coffin's a one-man.
I'll say, I'll say, I'll say two-man coffins up there.
That sounds really weird and creepy now.
I don't wanna ask it.
Is that a thing, because I don't really want to know dude.
No, it's not.
I'm not even going to say it, I'm like, let's let that one die.
Okay, put it in, put that joke in a coffin.
One side, one man, one side coffin.
One Jill's coffin.
All right, they got eggs on Tiny with the level 20 tree grab damage.
So there's some extra damage.
Here's a ship as well.
Can ship activate on a tree toss here?
Oh, they sorry.
It goes off.
It does, right?
Yeah.
I think anything goes off, except orb effects, even though orb effects don't exist anymore,
technically they still do.
I think it's one of those situations where Yandex is either going to close this out in
the next five minutes and everything's gonna be fine and dandy but that team
fight doesn't go well for Yandex I'm pretty sure we're in for a 60 minute
game as they frankly just don't hit high ground very well on yandere it can't
be one of the issues with Ursa Ursa is not really the best higher in
like he gets ages but there's a lot of games you get ages and you can't you
don't want to just walk up the hill and start hitting the tower yeah I think
Ursa especially really hates going high ground against repositioning right
because oh yeah like you get tossed back you're forced to enrage without
hitting anybody right you just enrage and try and get back into you know to
the rest of your team when that's the issue here is the toss back there it
really annoying for their team. They rather just take a flight outside of
Falcon's base if Falcons are willing to give it to them. And Falcons, I mean you've
got to catch them on these creep waves but it's pretty hard to do that when
Maureen is killing them with Tree Volley and then the Clinks is you know
one-shotting with burning barrage and then Skeleton walking away. This is not
gonna be an easy team to find. I also would still like to see the blademail on notice though,
I think. I know he went the sword build like he's owning this game, but I think you can
still get a later blademail against this Clinkz because he doesn't have ETV.
Anyway, you'll just solo kill this dude.
Maybe. Calling against Clint's is always kind of weird, right? Because he doesn't actually
do that much damage if he's not scraped.
Yeah, but you can run into the strafe. You can play the run into the strafe.
Let's keep a chat axe play.
Skeeter, good whip. Just to make sure that notice doesn't get a blink off, doesn't
get the call. They both survive. Falcons riding this game out, not getting caught.
They're gonna go to the other side here. You'll spear into an avalanche going trying to interrupt
things. They hit him with the ice bath. Now the avalanche is gonna land as well. The toss
up of the air is gonna be cold. Oh, he does get bursted down. No, wait. Dude, the chainstone
on that was... It's like frame perfect or something. Yeah, it was, it was perfect.
What the hell was that calculation?
Drop the soulling in order to get the gem.
Now, just escort the gem out of here.
Maureen's got to pop DKB, and even smoke him.
That was insane to me.
They timed it to that degree of perfection
with everybody at the distance.
That is just pure go to instinct
to know when to go there as ATF.
And now the smoke forward is going to catch more.
Socks up, speared back, got off the ult though,
so he doesn't die into the tree volley.
Dodge is a lot of damage there.
Sills a Lotus as well, trying to hit him with Zagger,
hit him with a spear, but they just can't finish him off,
not without over committing.
Can definitely see how Falcons want to take these fights off
of the spear back or the toss back
and then just not commit, make the bear and the backs
go into their lineup.
This is a little spooky here, Falcons they want to do Roshan, but you know they're doing it right next to this radiant outpost
It can tee the enemy Ember spirit might be dead. They're gonna try and make a jump on a notice here
Avalanche freebolly
What? Did he? I can't even tell
Was that supposed to be like a blink combo or did he just think the Avalanche was in range?
I think he just thought the avalanche was going to be in range.
I mean, they seem very clear that they do not want to jump in.
Yes, they only want the poke at Yandex.
They do not want to give a free fight to Watson.
They don't want to let Watson counter-jump on top of them.
Right?
That's the biggest thing here.
The Falcons make the read here.
Trevally to check inside the pit.
Can they see that a smoke gank is going to be coming their way to your junior?
He's going to break it here first.
Goes up to the high ground. They go after Maureen. Got the call and him. All in on Maureen. Got the chop on him.
Those have buyback, so Valkans. There's still plenty of game to be played here.
Either buyback can still contest Roshan or...
They're gonna contest it.
You need a very clutch hatch from them, Maureen.
Yeah, Maureen isn't gonna be able to get here very quickly. Roshan's already dead. They're looking for an opening.
As they filter out of the pits see if there's anything here notice a G planks into or breaks the smoke gives chase
Slown down by the dagger though Falcons
Will retreat successfully
That is a cheese for cheer junior and an aegis for the Ursa
Plus bear a fresher short to help you go up the hill
Well, how come I made a game out of this? That's for sure. I think if you're Yandex,
kind of just, you need to save in this one. Like that's what you're missing. And then I think
this game becomes easy to play, so Wind Waker is your best option, but no one's really building it.
They're all just trying to scale up pretty much.
But if Falcons keep finding the openings with these Tossback combos or Spearback Hex, you
could definitely just blow up that isolated hero.
So is this going to be another Ursa Roche that just does not go higher on Blood?
I think Yandex are at a point where it's actually game-throwing to go high ground.
I think they just have to keep hoping that they find the pick-off that it, you know, gives them the free high ground push.
You do it in a straight five on five, or 6v5 with the Aegis. I think you lose that.
I mean, especially with even more Disables. Scythe of Ice on a Mar.
You get a toss back into a scythe into a spear back like you're going from tier three's to fountain pretty quick
Yeah, but you have ages I mean can't you just jump in and take the fight
I again I think the repositioning you'll end up dying deep inside the enemy base
And again, that's really tough that repositioning combined with burning army you asking your team to chase into the base
into the burning army like I'm sure it'll be fine man yeah I'm sure that's
what her old kid said it's on their game yeah it'll be fine just hit the wrong
well they can't stop us there's no good
notice but a nullifier down down for just for the use in the box I guess he's
He's got to he's got to help his Ursa.
Yeah, I guess so.
His Ursa really can't carry it.
Try to jump inside the base.
Avalanche, they jump in after Maureen.
No saves here from Crane.
He's an excellent available.
They caught Skeeter now.
Skeeter, he's going to be escape acted.
Try and get him a little bit of distance.
Tira Jr. chasing after him.
Half HP on Skeeter.
Take a lot of damage from Soxa.
This where it does, hitting him pretty hard.
Gets tossed in.
and Skeeter is still alive.
Chair Jr. now had him with the slight chains.
He commenced with a rendit and finished him off nicely.
Call now on to Maury.
What a goal!
A monster wheel into a spear on top of that.
A perfect chain stun of all three cores on Yandex.
And now the team fight has gone horribly, horribly wrong.
I mean, what could go on cause it did?
Just jump on them.
Like...
like
They don't have very good heroes to punish you clumping when you jump in is I
Mean honestly that was not even going that bad, but they really went deep
Like let's be honest if they had just been a bit more this one there. They got double core by they should get the hell out
You know, yeah, but that's how it goes. You don't have it you once you start going you have to go deep
There's no other option right in order to know the clings they had to keep chasing and once they end up there
then there's no way out. Okay, two things. One, I don't even think that outcome is that bad for them,
because they got double core buy. I agree. I agree. You can just trade buys here, then, you know,
you kill them here. Like, Falcons cannot necessarily commit for much here. Also, you know, you just
take one of the greatest four players all the time, just hit a triple core wheel wonders
with no setup. So, well, I mean, what do you do if shit happens, you know,
so that I can get gut? That's like, oh, wrong. Oh, well, apparently, shit. That's what
What happens? I mean who hits a triple cord nose and a wheel one? You know how hard the spell is to land? That's bonkers to me
Yeah
It's just to go here. I mean Skeeter
Again, this game looked lost for falcons 25 minutes ago
So they're just they're playing with the free money at this point
And this one was already right here. This is borrowed time
100% so if they're gonna go in you might as well go full hog
Take full lane of barracks or it will claim the first set of raxes
That's true. Wow. That is astounding. However
You know again, they did use double core by and
The index saved all of theirs there
So they have a very solid win condition on the table now that they want to go for the base dive again
Because now if you go for the base dive and you clean up this tiny air clink
There's not gonna be that turn around
Unless you hit a five-man wheel of wonder, which I guess is like, you know, if I happen
My dad out, but by the way, that was the multi-hero coffin right there
First put out the mega coffin and lumped them all in that was just straight nasty dude. It really was I
Love when he does a shit and then he always his profile pics like if you look at his pictures just he's so
Yeah, he's so chill, he looks like he's very Danish about the whole thing.
He's like, yes, I really wondered them, good job.
He's one of the most objective players I've ever met.
I mean, I've known this guy forever, but like, he rarely smiles, he rarely shows emotion.
Sox is very similar actually, maybe that's the side of a great core player.
They just don't have a soul
And that makes it good at Dota
Okay, yeah, I go well boxy is is kind of similar. He's hanging in that same way
That guy won't he just worse he's like full poker face sunglasses
Who he doesn't even show his face to show emotion if he had
He's like the next level for this. I'm saying man. You can't be some happy go lucky kid
like those days are over. Okay, well, well, Jericks. What about Jericks? One of the greatest
fours of all time. Not be crazy. Hey, he was pretty smiley. He was gone. He was happy.
Chill dude. He was the last one, but he made emotions. All I know is the second those fireworks
went off on FY like it's it's been more robotic. That's that was the turning point
the history though. That's all I know. FY smile didn't like that game for he was
not smiling by game five and then no four position ever smiled since they learned their lesson like
I'm not going to be the next fireworks god it's not me oh okay I've got another one that I I know
you appreciate Jin Q that what he is the actual ago like he is he defies the laws of Dota he's
not even a four player he's originally like an off player so that guy just doesn't even make
So he's an exception. That's a good exception. I hear he's the exception that proves the role. Yes
that guy's
He's greater than
Then all other don't players combined, you know
He's the goat of goats. So he gets an exception
Okay, pretty sure there's some hoochie fans don't take too kindly to that kind of language, but
Yeah, well
Jarax didn't have to carry all of me to the grand final twice so.
That is true, that is true.
It's just a joke guys, I don't actually hate all of me.
Please, I don't want any more hate mail.
Alright, just to make sure we are all caught up, I'm going to go over the level 25,
so we have the strafe cooldown on Klinkz, we almost have a little 25 on Maureen,
have 25 on the Ursa with the overpower attacks, 25 on the Ember Spirit with the Remnant Charge
Restore time, and level 25 on the Axe for the AoE on the Call.
Those are all the 25s we have.
I'm just going to talk about items, but I'm making a smoke initiation.
Got it on notice.
The rest of the team doesn't really follow this up.
Peter can't really go up in that high ground situation, so Amar is just completely isolated against a hero
He has no business trying to kill
Yeah, Falco's wanted none of that
They completely bailed on his ass instantly
Yeah, Amar and the rest of Falcon seemed on two very different pages
I think the assumption was is that Amar was gonna be able to get a spear
that pushes them, you know, towards the rest of the Balkans, so they don't have to go up that choke point, you know?
Again, I just don't think you can take aggressive ghosts like that in this game. Like the line-up is just...
The Yennex lineup is so difficult to fight into. I mean, they can have buybacks on outposts there, you know?
Like, how are you winning that fight?
And what are those buyback timers? We talked for a long time, but they're almost up another minute here.
here for the clink's time so falcons got through this period without yandex doing anything
sus very sus i mean you're just kind of bagging like they get their buybacks but you
have an ages so you know time to test this whole thing again
they're gonna dive into the base because they have to because they have to get on top of the
clanks. They're gonna full commit to killing clanks. Falcons are gonna use buyback. They're
gonna be out of position. Yeah, but why didn't they do this when they had no points?
Because they need a Roshan. Well, obviously that didn't work last time.
Well, according to you, it did work. You said it was a perfectly fine fight. Actually,
true just send it what can go wrong yeah there's no way according to you that it's
like that last team fight was fine despite the wheel of wonder like you
know they got by it so they just keep doing this you know yeah I can't even one
of these times though this is only break falcons there's look there's no what
can go wrong also what no way this Danish kid lands a three core wheel
under twice like there's no way it's impossible no one's ever done that
history though yeah this time it's gonna be snake hanging landing a three
man ice bath now what can go wrong you got to believe in these high runs you know
you're a bar with his refresher site came trolling three heroes for six
seconds now Mars washed like this guy's done you want to yeah he's done
let's go let's send it they got a lot of gold though that's a little
concerning. I think they have like 25k unspent gold or something.
Trying to add it up real quick.
You're saying they don't actually have a net worth advantage basically?
Yeah, they actually have 25,000 unspent gold.
Yeah, I was about to say who you're talking about because both teams do have a lot of unspent golds.
Sneaky gets jump first. Spear on notice though. He's gonna die here, Crimson Guard.
does not save him from the cling-stampage anymore, chasing after him? Marr?
He didn't have his blink up fast enough and, well, they may have killed notice, they don't feel confident they can keep going.
I sometimes you jump in and don't press PKB, but outside of that, what can go wrong? Honestly, what can go wrong?
Yeah, that's a successful Jikiro snipe.
and then they'll have 45 seconds to use in stages.
They're going to lose this game.
I told you, I told you they didn't end there.
They were going 60 minutes.
What's happening, dude?
What?
Like, why is this?
Why is it so hard for teams to go higher?
Why are you asking me?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Why is it so hard for teams to go high ground right now?
Why are you asking that question?
You know how, why it's hard.
I mean, it's hard in this game for a reason.
Which is that they don't have good high ground hitters
and Falcons have very good high ground defense.
Now, why heroic has problems going high ground?
That's a different issue.
But this one, I think, draft-wise, it's just difficult.
No, what can go wrong? Just send it, like, just send it.
Just send it. You gotta have it. I think you should have to send it already.
You have to send it because he's helping refreshers. Do you need just send it?
That's what I'm saying. These half ass attempts is what gets you killed, you know?
I'm also not. I'm just a whole hog. Just full dedicated five man.
You're just gonna go into the base.
Like I want to see Malady by Blink and just like Blink in 360 vorlock drop golem or fresh golem
Just you know just I got me do the job boys and just start smacking this clings with four goals. He'll die
What do you do? What can go on just something just straight out of Mad Max witness me
Blinks in
Golems
Does this go on death? Yeah, he's a little 25. I actually need a lot of 25. That's a big piece
He's holding refresher or a refresher show that
Shit doesn't even work doesn't even make sense
Like we're past logic. Maybe they're waiting for 60 minutes or something like this axe bought a 50 minute a on disc after he was
12 and 1
Why is he buying a on this?
You're not on the defensive
Like is this like an aggressive a on this like I'm gonna blink in their base and pop a you know like
Just fire a fresher and just double be getting called this clings with blade mail or something like
Actually, they have to buy if they have a refresher shard
What do you mean have to buy it? He could have bought more armor. Yeah, you could have gone AC
Like, Wind Waker is always good in lakim.
Like, he gets a win to play agg.
It's not the worst this late in the game.
Ah, I'm just, I don't know.
I just feel like we're seeing a bunch of teams saying they don't know how to end, you know?
There's no plan.
They're just kind of hoping that they win.
Hoping is not a plan.
Hope does not let you go higher on.
Let me tell you that, okay?
Spike. Maybe Spike let you go higher on.
But Spike is a plan.
Spite is you know that that should is jet fuel quality higher on material hope is hope is a broken ladder
Like you can lean it up against
We're getting more insights into a breeze personality and I think people accounted for
Okay, that came out a lot Archer than I meant it's a metaphor
It's not, not literally, I'm not telling people that's how they should view life.
I'm just saying in this game, you should not put yourself, hope is a broken half, you start
climbing up that thing, it's just a bunch of wasted effort, you'll never get to where
you want to go.
Wait, what's the name of that ladder they have in like renaissance sphere, it's like
a jacob's ladder or something, you know what I'm talking about?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, the one that's rigged to you like can't climb it and the guy laughs at
you.
Yeah, what's the need not somebody will know I might be Jacob Slater. I know that's a letter going to Evan so I
Know that's also a horror movie, so
Yeah, it's a good move. I'm lost. I'm as lost as the index on this game. They're just sitting in their base by the way
how
How and why are we at this point? They're up 22k and they're like Watson is sitting their base
Like, shouldn't you be welcoming Falcons outside of their base to fight you?
I'm actually mega confused.
Look, if I'm the Andex right now, they have all buybacks available, right?
Yeah, they have all their buybacks available.
If I'm the Andex, and your theory is, okay, we can't go high ground,
because Tiny Toss is like too broken.
Shouldn't you welcome any attempt by Falcons to fight you on the map?
Like, you know if someone dies, you just buy back and take the fight,
Okay, we'll kill, we'll cream him in a fight outside base. So that tells me they actually think they are on the back foot
Or like they refuse to give up a death until next Roche
Which has I mean, I don't know what Roche has really done for them anymore
Is there who knows I mean, I'm just looking around is there an item that
changes
This game's uh, I mean emmer still has a lot of room
Just 8800 cold as well. Yeah, you could buy out that Scotty
Alkins are getting more and more bold with their positioning
After all the lame equilibrium isn't their favor because they were the the team to take barracks first
and
I did tell you it's going 60
I mean it's your junior immediate counter-call from notice though trying to bring down this
This Mars, but the um, just plus the escape act
It's guessing full HP junior with a refresh trying to finish all snake king
But he dies to the clink the clink's dying to the gold so
Somebody get this guy out of here. He's gone been dusted Watson chasing after him with the rest of his BKB
Put the nullifier out his heater. He can't run forever. He has to turn and fight
He does what damage you can but ultimately it's not enough to kill Watson
What did I tell you? Why were they so afraid of a fight outside of the Falcon space?
You've ever by
They're gonna have to use buybacks here. They want to save Maureen. He's gonna get run down
He's gonna get called. He's gonna get called
Well, that just wouldn't have a more live actually gonna have to use here
They have a hold
Basically 10 seconds for Kurtz
So they can still defend these golems doing work. That's what I'm saying. Just go on there 360 no scope drop those
Rock man. You can monsters. He's got level 25 those golems
Yeah, these readers ass
I'll dead now, but did their job
All right Falcons left the base they did not enjoy it
Great axe call from notice pop this BKB went in disrupted that entire play
And then the golem interrupts on the back side by so much time.
I'm a little confused what the game plan is here from Falcons.
They're gonna have to use their buy bags.
They've just waited until they've lost two lanes of berries to do so.
Three class nice blink away before notice gets captured.
Notice does notice that Snake King is outside the base.
It's a thighback.
dieback. Ebisu Blade escaped back. No nullifier here. Soxa jumping in with a
silence trying to stop Crit from doing a three-man wheel of wonder. And it works
so far. They killed a J'Kero. Die back there. No buyback being expended.
Skeeter is refusing to use it here. He's got a divine rapier in everything.
Hey, why does this buy matter if you went to buy?
Cosback? Got the warlock and jumped in from Watson. Immediately goes after Amar. Amar
Our prophet is VKB has arena spear while Maureen in some trouble surrounded by heroes all over the world.
Lots of dust get blown up. There goes that wheel trying to catch these heroes in the corner.
Teleport away from Soxa with the rest of the VKB.
That's successful. The arena catching at least noticed missed the spear, but they should get the kill either way.
So, Falcons, they will keep this game going just a little bit longer, but they are hurting bad now.
I mean what can go wrong honestly like you just go high ground you get Vegas get some buybacks
Easy life, you know
That was that was a strange sequence for falcon so I must say
They help this clings by until the Megas were basically already down I
Don't understand why he's got to use it there no matter what I think
And he went divine, so like even if you have bi but you lose your divine the game probably ends anyway.
Yeah, like how, was it like a 10 second left on his death timer or something?
Yeah, it was like 12, he waited the whole thing but
there's an argument if he buys instantly that they'll just back and twist it, like you want to bait the fight.
So I think he's waiting for that.
He wanted a toss back scenario.
Yeah, it's awkward.
Anyway, we'll get both of them.
You're on dip shot.
a Roshan roars off that dead shot and Skeeter is definitely trying to finish this off
he's not gonna be able to do this fast enough
Chiro Junior will go instantly sacrifice
got an AOM to go back after back
Skeeter's in trouble escape back trying to get him away
he's not gonna be able to knock up the silence
got a fourth step away
Skeeter turned walks and jumps on the wing
finish him off that's gonna be so much better
he's so good he's going to pay the ages on the graph
I notice he gets a massive call
the ages is left for the Ursa to grab
and the game is finally over at 63 minutes
Yandex. I mean this game was done at 20, but they will finally claim victory at 63.
Well, and that's how you win a game of Dota 2 right there baby. Just never let
your foot off the pedal except for the like 40 minutes where you have to let
your foot off the pedal. You don't know what's done in the game. I will say
biggest MVP that game is the Buff to Ag's Golem Drop where it has the
little delay now. Oh yeah, that thing does work in the laking fight. Wow, that was quite
the game between the Endex and Team Falcons. Kind of expected though with the group stage
being this close, every team is vying for one of those two spots directly into the
semi-finals and Yandex. Get the better of Falcons here. I have no idea what is
I think it's happening today on
stream. All right. We had
heroic do the same thing as
Yandex just displayed once more.
It's like a commanding lead into
then a couple blunders of the
high ground and then
everything just kind of a
couple is nicely put. I'm
trying my best to be PMA here,
boss, but you know, Yandex,
they do eventually close it
out. They do, you know,
shut out falcon that's
probably getting to that
second place sport. Yandex
still having their hopes and
dreams alive that they can
maybe get their way there.
win but so many different points of critique can get applied in this game
should have just been easier for them. Yeah what I see in a lot of these games
like not just this one but the other ones today is that teams they're playing
specific periods of the game very well but then they have one period of the
game that is like the complete opposite like as if they use all their
power like elsewhere because in all these clips you can also see that
Yandex they had a lot of tempo like in the early game they did well in
their lanes they were collapsing nicely that a lot of like the early game
stuff going on and that they just had to leave moving forward and then it's again
this thing you're talking about that heroic struggle within the mid game
where just a couple fights you overplay you're not together like here your
Ursa is dead you even had a couple fights where similarly I need to call it
like Amar a little bit you don't usually see him like mess up teamfights of
its initiations or going in the spells don't connect it's a bit awful
that's what Amar has kind of been doing throughout this tournament I say like
hit a starter game yesterday when I he was jumping in by himself the team
wasn't behind him a lot of these replays were saying Yandex in open
map play, they were really strong. They were utilizing their kind of poking ember
jumping into the back line, you know skidding up a little bit too far to
try and kill heroes. That then opened them up to get dolimbed or cooled or
earthed up like, open map play, Yandex dominant, right? As soon as you put the
nearer tier 3, you know, tower, racks, it was just egregious. Like it was, these
type of plays against a, you know, a more informed team, you're gonna be
losing this game. I will say like early on I was very impressed with
notice for like his early to mid game but then later write a lot of blunders that we already touched upon but I will say that
Yandex overall I like the position they put themselves in like with the draft
We haven't seen acts too much and they performed really well in this top lane like the Murata acts
They kind of dumpstered Skeeter and Sney like in that lane and then they took it like into the early game into the mid game
And did a lot of nice things but for me sometimes I feel like mr. CJ
But well I'll hold that because here you know their head
I really like this move from Yandex, what they did like you see here that both Maltis and Sox are going like into this mid lane
I would say this was a more common move like a couple months ago
Like you know when not every often it was like AFK in the lane with some aura
So I like this lot 10 minute room spawns you go to the mid you help your Ember even more because from here the snowball like it
Kind of started from here. Yeah
I mean that's kind of the the whole kind of logic behind Yandex
But you want to bring aggression through the map the apps again the lane went so well that once you start taking over these
early towers, getting the Grimra on the wall, taking the towers. You can choke them up so early on,
so you're going to feel really good. Like we have a screenshot of the minimap at some stage where
like team, again, I feel like I'm echoing what we saw about Heroic as well, where like here,
Falcons with a three-man smoke, you can see the kill score 12-3, they're trying to make this
sweeping map play, trying to find a carry, but the Ursa as you see on the minimap, he's
all the way on the other side of the map. So right now Falcons, they're smoking into
nothing. Meanwhile, you have the jungle just getting taken over and look at the vision
as well as like they put these like little wards like one on the die entry to the jungle
you've got one on the mid lane like everything that yandex is doing is just efficiency hold
each other's hands in the enemy jungle so far very defensively cushioned by your tier one your
tier twos so you're never meant to die like that is the recipe to continue breaking the early game
yeah but this i like this a lot right in the mid game and that's what you're showing also i think
this is like a very proper play but then like later at some point you need to understand when
to like break that and most importantly because we keep talking about it's like the high ground
Like how can you go there to meet like the two things I see I think Jiro junior was set up for a really good game
And they eventually that like kind of dropped maybe his itemization also isn't as perfect as it should have been
But then like later you can use the ember like being boning around you know in the enemy base with his ag
She was go around like BKB it up and like give a bit more space to like your axe to your earth
So like how they go in because we see it over and over in these games when you go enemy base
It's like the easiest way to mess up. You can kill them
They'll buy back fight gets dragged out someone goes too deep suddenly the game goes back to even
Saying that let's look at some of the Enix mistakes because again, we like their only game
We like the acts in their landing phase
We like the fact that they took over the jungle right but then there was problems that got on podium right?
Whilst they're trying to chase them off
They do eventually get the kills as he's like tumbling doing all these little shenanigans blinking back up
He gets instantly jumped on the arse. Meanwhile notice is all the way by himself as you see on the menu
He's gonna be dying as well
So it's like this is like the first kind of domino to fall to maybe Falcon
It is gonna get back into this game. You kill off an axe and then cheer a junior. He steps up again
Just look at the minimap arses all the way at the bot wave mortars by the lotus for like these are two critical moments
That in a snow bully aggressive game
You can't have your axe die randomly off after you're chasing the Mars
You can't have your ember die and then you fast forward to a dive. What's happening? Like what are we doing here?
That's crazy. This is like I don't know
It's like pub 101 like you want to go for a kill go for it
but you're disrespecting the siege and everything,
the way in which you want to win the game,
and you can see the moves that they made,
the pick-offs, the this random dive,
the Andex really tried their best to offer up Falcos,
like, please, try and get into this game one time.
Because I do know that Falcos, like,
they're very good at playing the map.
I would say it's one of their biggest strengths as a team,
like, they make it hard for you to, you know,
to, like, maybe give you the openings that you're looking for,
like, naturally, to close out the game,
but you need to make those openings and, like, find them,
you know, the way you, like, take over the map with a jam,
play some sideline once you get one pickoff you go into like another small hit
and then then you can go for the high ground so I think teams need to be
careful about like skipping steps when it comes to closing out the game.
Well that's about that series again this is the final day of the best of ones
there is absolute madness of course every team has to play 11 games and we
still are looking at just an unheard of situation. This is unhinged, tundra coming into it
they look to be quite dominant but they also dropped a series that can
spirit earlier whilst we're doing the draft of the previous game so they are on 7-3. If they are to
lose their next game they also will be 7-4 offering up a free invitation to OG and the rest of the
gang there in that list to maybe even take tundra spot if they are to fall another game so this
series that we're covering the B stream the last couple games that we haven't been able to matter
they all matter like even if you're like a a Reconyx in your final breath whilst you're in
last place you take a game off of any of those teams you're dragging them down with you
to like this, this real despair situation.
And like for Tundra, it's not like it's a super easy match.
I think the last match is against Falcons who, sure, you know, they lost here, but it's the same.
Like they played Spirit who are kind of like beaten down to the ground, but these teams,
you know, they just need a solid draft, have like a good start, and they can beat anyone at any day.
So it doesn't really matter. So if you're Tundra, obviously they need to bring their A-game,
because I will say this is some of the most vulnerable I've seen them in a couple of months.
Yeah, it's been a couple moments, all right, but now let's shift towards the series, right?
OG vs. Reconyx. I talk about Reconyx, they are the only team right now that is locked in at the bottom four.
They are going to have to play all the bestest reads, the last chance.
It's kind of like single limb bracket basically to try and survive to get to the playoffs.
And I want to look at their game length, all right, because coming into the tournament, they looked okay, right?
Against Tundra, this is like our long game. It looked beautiful and epic and all these high moments.
But since then, it's kind of just been dropping. They've just like not been able to find it.
As you see here, again, a pretty little graph.
So day one look at this hype game 50 plus minutes is everything then it drops a bit game 3 back up again
And then after that yesterday, it just fell off
They had like a 19 minute loss game 5 was a loss game what 8 was a loss like every it's just it's falling apart
Again, it has picked up the last game. They just played was a 44 minute game
But the trajectory of day one to now it's
Unfortunately, just yeah
Absolutely quite sad because my expectation was like at least higher
You know because they're like what they have one win under their belt right now and having that average time that you showed with one
Win under your belt is not great
Yeah, because I will say some of their opening games they look good like they had to skill
They had to draft like back it up
So I still hope you know that they can like take it further because of course needs to remember
They're not out of the groups and I will say it's a sea match. You know these players. They know each other
They're gonna call on each other
You know do some voice science because no interregional stuff even though you're playing on the international stage
I want to see what we're comics got but it's also like a weird series because og how dominant they were in the end of
Like kind of the year they get any invitations, right?
They're getting invited to the the big events from all these to so we're not seeing og have to go to the sca qualifiers, right?
and historically
SvA team comes to land they get like a top 8 they go back to a qualifier
They'll suddenly get upset from you know back in the day a t1 a boom
You know insert and you like the big names, right?
So the fact that og has been able to kind of skip the qualifier. We haven't got to seen
What is Reconyx against OG? This is like a, hey, welcome back.
This is just two SEA teams going against each other.
And I feel like whenever you put two SEA teams against each other,
for some reason, it's always like some more evenly matched.
That's kind of what I'm alluding to.
It's like a lot of chaos and a lot of times,
you don't really know what you can expect.
It's like a little bit of these mid-lane games
that we're seeing in these last matches.
But I will say that OG remind me a lot of the last time
we had a really good C team,
like a T1 of like a couple years ago.
Like I really think that this is the team that can have like the breakout for all the season
because 5th, 6th, you know, like we're talking about, they're doing good,
but they're continuously showing me like incredible performances.
If you give them their early draft and you can't fight into them,
I think you have such a high chance of just getting ran over.
Yeah, you basically have to respect the Darkseer.
That needs to be banned out because OG,
they are probably the most polished team from SEA that we've seen in a long time.
And let us see if Reconyx are going to respect the Darkseer from OG in this upcoming draft.
It would be I'm gonna say a beautiful thing but maybe that's not the greatest way to enter this but
It would be a beautiful thing if an SEA team dragged another SEA team away from the automatic top tier.
Just be kind of classic to the region.
We're all over the region.
But again, these two rosters are yet to play against each other.
As already mentioned, OG, the invitation SEA team, the one that has evaded the carnage of January,
the qualifier kind of month.
So let's see what these two teams can do.
I mean, they at least definitely know each other from pubs, obviously coming from the same region.
Sure, pubs.
And Reconyx, I do feel like being this, because they're a young team, we need to keep reiterating that they're the new kids on the block, they don't have that much experience.
So every game, even if you end up losing it, it's really big for you. Not just for now, but also for the future, how do you deal with the emotions?
How do you improve from the game and after the game? How do you deal with the losses?
for them I just want to see them like abuse and make use of the fact of what
this group stage is that you're not out that you can keep showing what you can
and that you can go for the improvement I mean we're coming earlier today right
they had a 6,000 gold lead against XG here on the 20-minute mark it was looking
pretty good but then you know Chadaphine, Tiny, Charmin they all die and kind of
creates opportunity for XG to kind of break out onto the map so these guys
are breaking my heart they have like a gold lead in half the game yeah yeah
I mean it wasn't in the RV as well they had like what 16-17,000 gold lead
and RB then was able to beat them so unfortunately for Reconyx you can't easily pinpoint multiple games
if that was different that would have been a win if this was you know a hero different in a different
position of course hindsight doesn't win so much just a problem like inconsistency and when you
play up against these teams you know that like R whether it's like tier 1.5 and tier 1 you know they
make less of those mistakes when you're one second late or two seconds late on a jump on a team
fight is just where you end up losing those games but I will say for the
starter of this draft you know Reconyx they go for Mars we've seen this here
many games it's very good but OG's response with the bird samurai I like it
a lot Natsumi has looked really good on this hero I have seen this lane played
quite a few times and Mars does not enjoy this lane it just feels like you're
pretty much inviting Kha'Z to get a free death zone yeah of course position
four is then going to be the kind of the critical element for Reconyx they
need to find a fall position that can just threaten the kez in some way because if not then the the items that a kez needs will always get online
I mean yesterday I saw like or was it maybe even two days ago like mr.
The Lull their post-4 player on record he had a banger game on Dark Willow so it's definitely something I could see them bust out again
Well, that's some teams, you know, they like their shadow demons against the kez
I think also like later having heroes that can man up against his BKB whether it's a carry with physical damage or like
other heroes that have like BKB lockdown with like Beastmaster or whatever it is
they're really really strong against the bird we'll see whether you want to go
with that again picking your carry this early on it is a tell but it doesn't
really matter right you see your lane I'm not expecting Reconyx to have the
same kind of flexibility as OG with the hero
about the morphling so at least one bit of information OG is providing to the
from the rest of the team. When we pick Caz, we only really respect both of them.
Interesting. So they do go with the Dazzle. I mean, I've been hearing a lot of Dazzle hate from especially Quinn and I think also in some cast.
I do think this hero has its spot. Like it is, I would say it's a bit of a specialty hero, even though it seems like pretty straightforward with like heal and grave,
but using, you know, the projection properly and like understanding how to do the stuff I think is not as easy as it may seem.
And I like it with heroes that can like really use a turn around
I think Kansas the type of carry that if you play against it
You're gonna look to take him down from like full to zero with a dazzle behind that's a lot harder to accomplish
I will happily jump on the dazzle hate train. I despise the hair with a passion
Unless you're picking it for a very clear purpose and you know your lane
Because if you know your lane is gonna be Mars. Sure pick a dazzle
Like you mentioned if you're graving a case and you see a Mars, it's gonna look perfectly fine
It's the blind-fix dazzle. It's the no-information dazzle. Then sure, you're just gonna be a hillbottom
You're basically hoping your team carries you. So for OG at least there is that lane knowledge the carry matchup
So I am fine with it as of yet and they do go for the willow again classic pair with the moz
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense
I think to like go like or give like one more comment on the dazzle
I think like the it's very hard nowadays to get like armor built in from like spells or even from like your allies
So like with the facet of the knuffle boon where like it doubles the armor you give to your team
I think it's kind of nice. He builds also pretty chill items
I think like being able to buy like Mac holy lock it is kind of a feels good item on a support too
So I usually like how OG like draft most of the heroes
Well, let's see how Reconyx go for most likely their plus five pick. Yeah, I mean they need to find a way to
still stretch in here and
Their play that is a great way to that's the response. I like that a lot
We're talking about, you know, Kers and Dazzle and how they want to play on the fringe of their HP.
Again, we don't really need to over-explain it.
H&R Prussian mitigates all of that with a well-placed Ice Blast.
Because of Willow and Mars having that setup, you're never going to miss it.
You'd like to think, in before Caster Cursing, that it's for the entire game.
Roll the montage, but...
I will definitely love, like, you need to address this hero.
Like, AA, it changes the game in many ways,
because you answer, like, kind of both of OG's heroes and, like, their combo.
So you need to, like, reverse Uno here if you're OG.
The issue with AA is your laning is very lacklustre, you have one point in Chilling Touch, then you want to look at your Vortex and you're kind of an awkward right clicker, so suddenly when there's Beastmasters and Enigmas and just presence in the Offlane, you do fall apart and the thought that we mentioned as a potential ban, we hadn't even looked at the bans in regards to the discussion, that was available.
Again, AA is a very weak laner. You can't stop waves getting pulled. You don't really bully unless your carry can do it for you, pretty much.
So, OG is going to be very happy. An early pipe will be on the cards for them to play around.
No, I mean, this is just an absolute free lane for Darkseer. And this hero is scary with a free lane.
So, like you said, he's going to have an early pipe, which does kind of dumpster all these three heroes.
I think if, like if I would be Reconyx, I'm looking for a high damage hero, likely melee carry.
So I would be looking at Sven, potentially into Darkseer. I think you want something that has over damage into Oras.
You already know that you will be playing into it.
You need one of the classic lanes to ensure you're actually farming.
And also here it's independent where you're not relying on your fire to fix anything.
Shove the wave whilst you're playing on the tower.
Okay, it goes for the bristleback.
It isn't here that can just exist by himself, right?
It is ticking that box.
He does give you...
He's a little bit similar to Sven, but he gives you more of defending the lane in a way.
playing into Darkseer, you don't get pressured as much. You can pressure with the AA yourself.
I'm scared for a Connix though, because their entire lineup is built on Bristle running in
to give information for the other three heroes to blow one guy up. But when they blow up
that one guy, what happens after that? What is the next layer to their fight? It kind
of feels like they've got one chance right now to kill a hero. Of course, a new mid
pick can fix that, a little bit of Pope and Skirmish, Embers and Void spirits
So any vessel buying nuisance heroes will be able to remedy, Reconyx is one fight setup they have at the moment.
There is a problem. While the Bristle makes sense on some level, I really think they're lacking the explosive damage.
You have the pipe, you have Dazzle as well. Around the AA blasts, whatever, you're going to keep healing up.
You buff people up with armor, which is quite good against Bristle. Sure, I get it, but I think this is...
First of all, it's not really the pick that I like.
And second of all, I think when you have the situation, that you have to pick your mid on 23 against the enemy mid pick that comes after,
it's looked atrocious all day today and yesterday.
Like, I don't want to go see some tiny into insert, you know, spirit, and then all you're just going to chill.
Because what's going to happen is the top lane is kind of free.
Spirit Break is going to roam to some lanes, and mid has a counter pick.
And the supports will just be food throughout the game, right?
Like a Beastmaster, a Queer of Pain, any of these explosive mid laners.
you see ancient oppression for a millisecond, you're gonna die, right?
And everything for Rekonix is built on that positioning.
Tez also likes to buy Blink Dagger.
What happens if he just goes,
they're so like, man to be, can be Blink?
So rather than initiating the fight and being a nuisance,
he sits back, he lets the spirit break at the dark seer,
create the opportunity, vac your multi-hero charge,
then he blinks on top knowing ancient oppression
has exposed himself at a point in the fight.
So, I mean, even though they have counters,
OG just needs to play on it.
We mentioned Ember Voidster being optioned for Rekonix,
they do go for the Voids for it.
Nothing too crazy. It's just vessel buying, find the backline. When Dazzle puts his projection out, he'll just jump on top, start pressuring him, make Dazzle think about himself rather than his team.
Yeah, so at least it's also here that's not super easy to pressure with Spearbreaker. Of course there are chances, but if he has the Simulate ready, you're just kind of going to be chilling in that lane.
But yeah, I do feel like the Reconyx wrap together, it looks fine, but when you just look at what they're up against, like some of the early tempo, there's an early pipe as well.
They definitely have a lack of damage after their first array of spells.
There's a minute 20 of reserve time for OG, so plenty of time for your patch to pretty much lock in the best hero for himself.
It's just a little bit of a... a bit more explosive damage would be nice.
A little bit of burst in the early game.
Can I mention Queen of Pain?
Yeah, I mean, I'll be kind of down... I think it's a fine storm game.
Obviously the heroes that they banned they kind of would have liked to have them themselves in the slot
It's always quite nice to like the the axe pool on top of like the vacuum laterals if the game is to get a bit more competitive
And you want and it's like a 40 50 minute bang of them because it's it's kind of nice if you have a hero
I think they can like help you get on like
That is cool. I love I'm just a big fan of us for it mid
I've always had always have been like the pacing that you can set buying vessel shevers is a hero
item sorry that always complements the hero really nicely and I already mentioned that supports can be punished
They are playing for that one fight and if you want a vessel against a bristle you're gonna ask for it
You want to she was against a bristle? You have an earth spree. Yeah
Hey, he shows himself for a second guess what after it's gonna be on top of him. So yeah
I love to pick from from OG and it's complemented by both darks in spirit breaker
They want to go and find fights and as for every time he has magnetize he'll go join it
So I think OG has got a really nice, well-rounded lineup and for Rekonix, it is really, really high execution.
If you waste an Icebox, if you waste an arena, you are going to get run over.
You're going to see that OG aggression that we've seen kind of running rampant throughout the entire day.
But if they don't waste them, they can keep this game going.
Yeah, like for Yopa's shore, like there's like an arena and sometimes like brambles can be a bit annoying,
but kind of what we alluded to, I think for Rekonix, don't have the most spells to like actually fight into OG's shore.
Maybe you kill like this first core, but even then it has to be through like a pipe, some heals, there's a potential grave.
And then if you throw everything on Wanga, you've got some Darkseer, Vakwa, like these are heroes that clump up a lot.
Like Dark Willow is in the fight, same with Mars BB, Voidspirer.
Like it's very likely that you have like Niko with an insane game, hitting a lot of good spells.
And I think that if Reconyx don't play a lot better than they have in their games, this is going to be insanely hard game for them.
Yeah, I'm really looking at just once you get an item or like maybe even after Wisdoms get the early levels like AA willow
If you don't get this early wisdoms, let's say you lose both is going to compound to even more difficulty
So the first seven minutes of this game is so critical for a conix get the ultimates on your supports
Play through one of your cores and at least try and take the fight to og before like you mentioned the pipe and all these items are ready
Yeah, I wonder if there's like a way where you can like combine the willow into like some moves like some
safe lane TP at some time where maybe you get like a cheeky kill on the dark
sphere because bristle he should have a good lane like because they gave up a
little bit of scaling with the bristle to have some early tempo so I'm really
hoping that they try to activate it and get it in the game because a straight
game I think it's hard to play. Again to remind you Reconyx are considering
one and eight the only team eliminated or not eliminated but at the bottom of
the group stage let's see if they can drag OG away from the top two and into
these the mess of the last chance qualifier.
to be able to get the
back to the back to the back
to the back to the back.
A one in eight Reconyx matched
up against a six and four o.
G But the records frankly do
that's a good time. It's a
good time. This is Reconyx.
It should be a interesting
matchup, right? Avery. We've
had our chances to cast C
versus see a number of times,
and it's usually a good time
a long time, but it's a good
time. There's only two
possible outcomes. It's a
70 minute complete mess or
it's a 20 minute stop, but
there's very rarely anything
in between. Yeah, it was
He's been firing on all cylinders.
So this is another really fast draft
that could just run this game over.
I like what they got going for him.
I think their spirit into A's,
or the Darkseer to A's always good
and you can get some early kills on top of it.
Dick Roy does go down too much minus armor.
Too many slows, too much damage from the ion shell.
So it is going to be three bounty runes
and first blood.
Yopaj is living the life. He has the bottle bought before the creeps even meet
What a start for OG here. I mean, it's so big to get the body block bottom as well
Which is yeah, it's nice for Darkseer. You can get the first wave out there
You don't have to use the shells as early kind of save your resources and just yes and then play later on
Charge will stop the counter blocks. This will go out for OG mid lanes already won
with all that gold going into Yopaj's pocket and top is Kez Dazzle so if you lose that
lane I don't know what to tell you I mean that's about as stupid of a kez lane as it
gets.
Yeah it really is.
Like it doesn't matter they got the counter of Ancient Apparition who's a great counter.
Sing Tez, Sing Dazzle, very value Ancient Apparition game you already have a hero
that enables it in the Mars, but shallow grave on Kez is disgusting.
This hero does a lot if you can feed him that extra bit of life, that extra security to make
sure his raptor dance goes off.
Grave is great.
The minus armor helps him a lot.
The heals on the lane are great.
The lane synergy is nice with the chase down.
These heroes do a lot for each other.
I think the Soji draft has a lot of great synergy in it.
The Rakanix are gonna have to answer at some point.
Yopah's getting beat up.
You have to kick in your dream away.
Just survive the harass getting pulled
under the tower and such,
but of course he had all the extra gold,
so the man just don't care.
That should be fine.
Oh, nice little deny.
It's not good you're dying up here, but hey, you get nothing for it
You make a dark cheer right now
Why are we taking this here? I thought this year was just kind of bad
Oh geez winning with it
Okay, so maybe everybody on the old man team I've seen winning with it
Well, that's what I'm saying. They're better than reals built different
I think it's okay. So they're the only team that makes Klink Square. They're the only team who makes Darkseer work.
What's OG doing different that these other teams can't do?
They're just laning better with some of these heroes. Like they're getting off to a better start and then they know how to combine the heroes really well around the map in the right place at the right time.
You have to connect well. Not a lot of these teams like connecting boards as fast and early as they do.
Like, Hoji will bring this Darkseer mid at five minutes, you know, if it's the right play.
He'll, they'll shell send some hero top or bottom or mid.
For six minutes in the game.
A lot of teams are just too static with some of these heroes that need to be creative
and find better starts than just playing the lane straight up.
If you go into game, you just play the lane straight up with Darkseer.
You're gonna lose that lane a lot of the time.
So you have to make it up in small ways elsewhere.
this blast slam four games of OG Darkseer and four wins of OG's Darkseer.
Getting a kill out of lane is already mega value for these two who both really want experience.
Darkseer and Spearbreaker are heroes that operate more on experience than anything else.
Feel right, like the way they played this lane, they body block the way they push it out.
Darkseer doesn't have to use a bunch of shells early. They get to save resources.
He goes early wall and then they fight for that load, they hold the resources fight the load is get the charge back on top of that
That's what prompts that AA kill. AA is very weak against Darksier lanes generally
He has almost no counter play. He's very squishy. He doesn't like
When these lane equal rooms get mega disrupted like boomerang back and forth
You get that double shell go and it can cook some people so
So, nice start with the dream, manages to get the water rune ahead of Yopah's, Yopah's just a little bit late there on the silence, and your dream hits him with the remnant.
And now Tim's on the other side will make sure that Yopah's at least gets a refill on his ball, because he is struggling when it comes to resources.
Which is funny considering how much gold he got going into this lane.
Yeah, seriously.
But overall, lane's going OG play.
I don't think they're too sad about anything that's happening right now.
Tim's looking for the charge mid.
But I do not think this is a kill.
Got the range creep though.
He did, he did.
You like that, Ylpaj? You're not happy about that.
A gank tax for a gank that doesn't even get a kill.
It's just stacking right now trying to get some extra gold for Niko giving him solo XP.
Hard to be aggressive into the first lap this early so you probably have to look elsewhere
with this breaker plus shell.
There's some extra connections.
Alright level three shell let's see what Tim's does with this.
I thought maybe he was gonna like TP top and go for a charge play or something.
Or he's just got farm stack. Yeah
It's nighttime creeps go to sleep instant into the stack kill they did this with the faces boy too
Very efficient again all these small little efficient things get you through these otherwise awkward any paces
That's what makes some of these heroes work bro. She better than other teams. I think
He's just gonna right click through the rest of them
Charge onto the ancient apparition trying to secure dominance for the power room
It ends up being top invisibility grabbed by in your dream Yopah is just continuing to not be able to outclick this void spirit
It's too old band tells you like
41 or something under a tire in the world of the two
Alright.
Where's the punish on the map right now?
For Reconyx, I mean.
This Darkseer's free farming bot is most farmed here on the game.
The Kez is free farming top.
Air Spirit's level 6 now.
So he's going to start to look for some more plays.
Wisdom Shrines are going to spawn soon.
very passive early game for Reconyx.
It's just the problem of having ancient apparition.
Things go passive, this hero doesn't do anything.
That's why playing A against Darkseer is so sad.
You don't stop the cut, the equilibrium messes with your ability to pull Blame and get extra XP.
Ideally you just leave the Bristle down here solo and you can pull waves and
make a farm it up to match. But then where do you go with A?
He's not a play-maker.
He's not a great stacker.
I mean, if Warlock can go through the gate
and try and have some impact, surely
ancient apparition could do the same.
He could, yeah.
He could go and try and gank because Top
definitely was an option scheme.
And maybe he'd be better play, honestly.
I think him lingering around bottom has just been a waste.
Preston, since Natsumi's kind of well in jick-roy
and some trouble here being dove underneath the tower,
but the quills pushing back the rest of OG so low.
Nice final hit from Skendo to secure the kill on Jekoroi even as Tim's and Niko had to retreat.
Nice little wall. He'll play, gets burst damage on this Bristle, bring him down,
Void Spear TP's in, gets some earn charges out of it. Not the worst for your room,
but that was not the big kill he was looking for and he will give us the power rune in exchange.
So, Yopaj will not have to outclick him.
It also leaves the Mars alone against Kaz, which is, I mean, any hero left alone against
Kaz is not happy.
Kazarai Katana is a stupid spell.
Well, Solid really ain't pro-G.
Nothing crazy but still a lot of little efficiencies and now they're going to pressure this top tower.
Shield room on Yopage.
Probably going to dissuade Reconyx from defending this with a lot of heroes.
That is a tough target to fight into.
Just kind of mirroring each other.
Both teams pressuring the enemy off lane tower though it's going much better for OG.
What was that Niko?
Niko was hiding behind his tower, his courier came in, he surged his courier to try and
drag the creep wave, but then Bristleback just one shot it.
Not as fine as from the...
No!
It was like he was doing the traffic test dummy, you know?
you just ran that thing straight into a wall.
Void Spirit in trouble, chain stun, beautifully.
What a connection.
I'm trying to get the ultimate on Dark Willow.
Shadow Realm will protect him,
but they've taken over this mid lane now.
Batsumi with the pressure that he was able to put on
through the safe lane,
now making that same rotation lane to mid.
And his Kez is a problem.
It seems like just his presence
is kicking Reconyx out of lanes.
They have almost no early game presence.
Like just heroes that can stand on the map and fight.
OG when they run into them,
especially if Ionchills are joining the fray.
All miss voids, pure man.
This Mars got sacked.
The Bristle is...
It's a hero that can fight,
but he's also got a farm up there.
He's, you know, one item or something.
OG's just outpacing Reconyx right now,
They're gonna get a charge on the bristle bottom and isolated hero. He is very alone
Sam many teepees are available here for reconnaissance in this play or they just gave an object right
It's like they're just gonna give them up. He's gonna be kiting around
They're gonna make sure he doesn't get a huge quill stack on any one person
Just getting outclassed right now
There's a smoke going in top looking for the kez who looks into them
But it's Kes, so he needs to bring detection for that one.
People really like ganking Kes without detection, huh?
Yeah, you're so used to him doing his mobile bullshit, you forget he also has the invisibility
you have to worry about.
Very cool.
Oh
Chick-roof. Yeah, he is fed up with OG's bullshit
And he just charges in today thinking it was gonna go all right for him he doesn't
Wasn't close at all. They used a lot, but they also TVed both of their other cores bottom
We're now just sitting in that tree line
Watching their carry die like that looks like tell for me man. Yeah, this game is this mega disconnected for comics
It's been a rough tournament so far
Gotta play together though because or gee they definitely play
Arries isn't gonna get his level six
win for a rune
Pretty unnecessary could have just denied it didn't really need to pick it up as my result
spare breaker charge and his chance at collecting level six from mid is gone.
This might be one of those 20 minute stomps more than the 70 minute
chaotic games. Yeah, it is looking that way. A little worried for Reconyx. Natsumi is
quietly the highest net worth hero in this game on this case, pushing towards a very fast
Desolator and that is just gonna shred
This radiant life who survives because that's what it's in this game. I'm not seeing
Now nobody has a whole lot of armor on this team
Nor do they build a bunch of armor outside of the voids pierce. He's gonna have high end shell surge
Plus early pipe from Nico to back him up
It's gonna be a very nasty timing
Jekyllro is kind of interesting. He went Saunsen and he's gonna go an early Lotus Orb.
Charge coming in. The roll to follow it from Yopah. Nicely connected between the two of them.
The Spirit Vessel isn't going to be enough as long as Jekyllro doesn't keep chasing and the
Matentai kills him. He's gonna back up, lit his team, train finish off Yopah here.
Here's a Shalgrave goes off, but he still has the Ice Blast on him.
See the Shalgrave? It doesn't last long enough.
The Ice Blast will instantly kill him as the Shalgrave expires.
Now the charge through hits bars.
Both supports gonna be in trouble here, perhaps.
Blood grenades slowing down the door.
But not feeling it like they could dive to tier 2.
There's no reason to anyway.
This is a 4 vs 5 that they were kind of playing.
Natsume was on the other side of the map,
farming their neutrals and getting Wisdom Shrine.
Such a big win for OG almost no matter what happened in that fight. Yeah, this is Kez is just loving life man
Absolutely loving it right now
And they won't the fight anyway, so they get the best of both worlds if I look towards this mid tower now
If you can get a fight around this with the Deso get some quick charges
Like is done on the dark seer hatch
You're holding in the dark will look out the silence on day in your dream the charge to follow up that silence
They didn't even get to roll in from the opodge like they expected and the gang still works
This game is fully out of control now
Because it's going to join all these little skirmishes you get charged if you show on the lane
If you don't show on the lane, you know what you're just going to push it in and start taking away map control
Your two supports are not great
That shoving the lanes out as well. It's pretty slow from this willow AA
Kind of staying around waiting for something to happen
but your two playmakers, Void Spirit and Mars,
not doing too hot,
the Yule slash Blink for FBZ is a long way away
and you have your Void Spirit vessel, so...
You just gotta go with him.
I think you have to put these supports behind the Void Spirit
and just try and find some OG heroes
or kick them out of your jungle, at least.
Yeah, there really is no other way to play this game.
You just kind of have to link these supports up with the cores
and go for kills off these ice blasts and hope that that can shift this net worth that
is heavily in OG's favor. 8000 at 16 minutes. The hefty lead. Charge through. Torch is creeps
man. Oh not popping the shadow realm didn't actually happen. Okay well they trade out
Supports at least so it's not like I took his camp you didn't take his just insult the injury, man
What is there to say I mean you just got it like we said got a coop up at some point
Give it to our space to OG right now
There's just all going BKB
What an interesting call
As in they're literally building the next item BKB in all three cores
Side of OG basically just saying hey guys we all build BKB none of their spells work. How do they ever want to fight and?
Yeah, that probably makes sense here
Do you think that there is so a lot of times when you're far ahead like this feel like you don't need BKB
because you know you just have enough levels enough gold that you have enough
stats to be able to do without but do you think there is credence to making BKB a
priority with your head like this because you want to make sure that you
keep your killstreaks intact right you don't want to feed those away I wouldn't
think it matters too much okay I generally think whatever item makes
you strongest on the map is generally better from such a far head position.
Like you want to be able to have resources to stay on the map and farm everything and
be strong enough to fight them if they try and take the space back. So if something allows you
to do that is an inherently good item for that position. BKB often doesn't fit that because
it doesn't help your resource management in it, but it can help you fight them or maintain
aggressive positions. So in a game like this, OG might feel that if they just get
at triple BKB they can really just play right in Reconyx's face and like what are they gonna
do about it because they don't have any jump stun. Maybe that's part of it. Yeah and if
they had some sort of ice blast there's nothing that stops BKB TP out. Alright I mean what
are you gonna do like you arena ice blast this Ursprit just BKB rolls away. Yeah
such a wasted play.
And Mars completes the charge.
FBZ, gonna be changed on here.
No chance of really casting more than just a simple spear.
So hard to get it on the map right now.
Oh, there's a haste rune goodbye.
He hit the plus one.
And thanks to not to me having so much farm they can rose pretty quickly
You're the horse Austin you're the horse
In reference to who
You're the horse spearbreaker a horse. No, is it oh geez mascot like a salad or something?
No, that's liquid
What if I'll get back to that? I do have a counterpoint to that.
It's coming here.
Natsumi, at least it was BKB and Aegis, and Shell of Grave actually.
Nice place. It didn't even land. It didn't stretch out far enough.
Yopash, and Yopash is going to be the one to take out from it.
The low very low, but Tim's going to back away.
Trying to reset for another charge in seven seconds.
Natsumi didn't even pop his BKB.
He's going to chase out Jigaro.
Chasing after a bristle back his back turn underneath tier two. Now. Sue me doesn't give a damn
Honestly, that went pretty well for a conix, I think
It's out of your spirit you get something out of that fight your bristles kind of happy with that
You don't get completely steamrolled and GG out. So that's a gobbler right there
So you're the horse
Yeah, you're the horse Austin, how does that relate to OG?
Okay, I swear at some point what if they're like red bull logos have like a horse attached to it
You mean it had a a bull perhaps attached to it
Not as big now that was a certain color
Perhaps it was wrecked
May green bro, they green get in there
This flake from skin we just
I am up right now
FBZ the target time and time again
Arena is up a second here. He's got a spear in one more
Not so we just walk sir with a BKB and sticks on the FBZ no chance there go back for the dark willow
So it does look like you'll find perhaps gonna die again with spearfessel on him likely to take out for the shallow
Grave would have been more damage jikoroi trying to get it
He finally does he's stacking up the quills stem and eco gotta make a run for it
Only one of them can be surged, but okay never mind not so me is still very healthy
Jikoroi trying to deal with this damage over time the Kazurai katana with his lotus orb playing around the remnants
and only buys him a momentary reprieve ultimately it will be death and your dream goes back in
after his hick of the wisdom shrine trying to pop the dazzle almost gets him but fails to seal the deal
skim doing work in these fights just so many so many heals going off really well timed graves
you have so much just to need to play around with these high damage frontliners and the poison
Always ticking really adds up over time
Nice team fight emoji really good position to start that up just getting behind the Mars. It was a great use from FVZ blood
You just get BKB run down from this kez
It's like no counter play to the BKB's escape. There is zero control for it. So it's another big factor here
Itemization paying off for OG yet again
There's the blink for the bar, so that was a big, distant component in this game.
They have it now.
I'm kind of aggressively start fights on your turn and maybe just land some better
a-a-olts to start the engagement as opposed to, I gotta fling him out while I got a kez
running me down in the woods.
I'll see if he actually gets the chance to use that blink dagger, because it seems
like every single time a fight approaches it starts with the FBZ being charged by Tim's.
See this is a better spearbreaker game. I mean Darkseer makes this hero a way different piece but
there's less interrupt for his charges in the fight with this naval line. Like aid, no stun,
Bristle no stun void spirit does not really stun spearbreaker
So your rambles is very ample. Yeah brambles is their best tool. Yeah
But that's still that's like a way better scenario than the extreme gaming breaker game we saw
But they have like eight stuns and a bunch of even a tiny which you can't even pull those out stun
So
No, it's just miserable. This one's working a lot better and of course darks here
You can always play spear break at R-Seer.
Not seeing me having to poke at the high ground.
Just a couple of swipes there, trying to keep Reconyx on it.
Back away with 20 seconds left on the Aegis.
Almost has a Silver Edge done, so good luck, Jyggron.
Bristle has held his ground in this game.
This is a kind of game where the time
looks better than I think a lot of other things would have.
At the same time though, like,
this is one of Bristleback's best
spikes, you know?
Like, if you're running to carry Bristleback, you better
hope that you're winning fights at 20 minutes.
Well, yeah, but they're down 20k. What are you supposed to do, you know?
only shoot so many quills
and it's true
it's not here the porcupine
no, no porcupine respect
maybe voidspear dags can turn this game a little bit
very close to it
there's a lot of extra damage and control in the fight
traps and here's in the arena but again the downside is the triple BKB is already out brogie
do they care about the size in fact quad BKB is out they have to be on 10s very early
I'm afraid to be beaten here.
That is a concern.
Tzumi going in with his Silver Edge. Eventually he's going to find that opening that Oji needs to close out this game.
You're not willing to fight OG, you're going to lose a lot of your vision right now, although
vision you have left, but you're not going to fight before this white spirit eyes is
done so just how it is, hunt your gold off.
Okay, he gets that, Reconyx, we actually smoke up, Brian take a fight, he's going
by it right now. I'm right as Natsumi, who's trailing the bars. FBZ is just not able to
get an initiation, man. It's too tough. Just don't have the vision. OG run around doing
whatever they want right now. No fear, because of the early VKBs. Natsumi. It's
But ninja on the back line
Back up but not respecting the fact that not soon he can break him the charge coming in full commandment personal back down
And this silver edge instant pale
Just takes away the entire map raise they hit that void spirit eggs you can't even fight with it
Technically Kesby gave you some food on right now if you can
Maybe try and do something with the Mars is up
Well, if you're a Reconyx, you've got one last chance, I feel like, and that's fight for
Roche.
You hate your ag's timing on the Void Spirit.
You really don't have any items coming in soon.
I mean, that Carrie Bristle bag is thinking about a third item, Yul's for God's sake.
You don't like-
you don't have any scale coming down the pipeline you pretty much only have the
option of winning fights right now
as they smoke that they saw a hundred percent of that charge you'll pause just
breaking it and just get the roll before the remnant grabs there and
couldn't get the spear latch either you'll pause it's the DKB button that
and
again is only so many times you can retrieve in this game
can't take advantage of like these folks to get the keys down because you're so dependent on the mars over here
I think so too, but far he just didn't hit in the smoke button.
I think the only way you can play this game, I mean you stall it out further, the win
percent just goes further and further no use favor don't feel confident without
arena but this is like a this is a major second head miss now they throw in a
that's not doing anything scouts not to me
They charge on FBZ, but he's out of there.
Well, they don't give up any more kills.
That's worth something.
And they finish their first fight.
I'd rather them just take a fight and lose the fight than like slowly concede all this
ground. Reconyx makes the blink back on FBZ, not so much on their ancient apparition. The BKD
charging from Tins, Hittiple, Jikoroi, and FBZ. Using the ultra hot picture, FBZ can't escape,
FBZ has to drop the arena here and is going to die inside of that arena. Jikoroi making
her way back to base here, but Natsumi just keeps chasing him down with the Aegis,
building up the Kazurai Katana heads. Tins? Okay, nothing's better of that charge.
Backs it up, OG not losing a hero for it. Take out three and push a tier three.
Great target prioritization. Take out these supports first, no a-ail.
The fight's pretty open for all the heals and the not-to-be-tests to go into that charge.
Three heroes. Beautiful line.
Tends there.
I was gonna get to this one.
That's gonna connect pretty nicely here in a bunch of heroes.
If only Rakanus could do some damage.
Unfortunately their damage is being damaged by Natsumi.
Takes them out pretty easily with a raptor dance.
That was a disgusting amount of DPS right there.
That was your best AO fall game and you just died trying to take the fight.
Too far ahead.
Yeah, I mean, I'll also add, you know, like that three-man spirit breaker charge
That was after Reconyx had been hemming and hawing about how they want to take a fight and when they want to take a fight for like, you know
eight minutes
Maybe I get her. If you spend all that time thinking about fights and you let yourself get three-man charge
What do you think you like yourself?
Tim's god
Chooses what happens to you. No, he doesn't need to have a straight line
No, you have to have the bad positioning to be lined up to get three-man charge
No, when Tim's decides that you are being charged you are being charged. Don't have a safe. Okay
You're the horse
I am the horse. He'll play you're the horse. I
I
Am actually born in the year of the horse. So, you know, it's my year
Wait, you're no you're not. Yes. I am
1967 was not the year the horse
What are you talking about? What?
1967 that's all
What is that actually? Was 1967 a year of the horse?
I have no goddamn clue. All I know is 1990 was a year of the horse.
Dark down to the brist of black, keep him back behind the tier one tower.
That charge is coming his way.
Nope, it was a year of the fire goat.
A whole fire goat is what everybody knows.
What year of 1967 was?
A very important date to all of our listeners, I'm sure.
Is there all wondering when their grandparent was born, what year?
Thank god this game is over, thank you.
That'll do it. That sends this game back to 1967.
That was a stop right there. That was an absolute stop.
OG laughed it up.
They got caught in the sea bowl.
They got flushed as their woes continue in this corner of the foot.
OG continuing press, team plays really fast, they have cool drafts.
Maybe we're starting to see, you know, some trends
that other teams are going to be able to prepare for like the darkseer.
It's not going to kill you as many people off guard,
but it looks great, man.
Rough time for Reconyx.
Games just get worse and worse for them as this group stage progresses.
OG now locking a 7-4 finish in the group stage, hoping that other teams might drop some games
so they can get that second place, but for a Rekonix VSEA team, turns up to their tournament.
Yeah.
Currently with 1-9 now, they're looking rough for the lads, especially after having a good start.
At least they're coming to the tournament, they don't have so much experience,
they're having a good showing, but this game, even before it starts for me,
like they're just they're outclassed they're out drafted and they're getting outplayed like within the game as well
I just think that this time around compared to other drafts
It was way harder for them to play and then even when you they did go for like the 18 bristleback to like trade some scale for the lane
He had four deaths very early on. I think the OG just putting on a performance
Yeah, 100% like this is fully a statistical draft Blonda, right?
Like there is no real competitive play available for Connix when you're picking sudden errors it exposed right?
we spoke about how XG, right, was Jalli picking that Spirit Breaker. You get your Kirod and
Pops and Tiny. You're not playing Game of Dota. You pick an Angel of Perition here. You're
opening up your draft, and then suddenly, Darkseid Spirit Breaker completely free-lane.
Darkseid, the hero of the tournament for OG. Like, because you pick AA and you haven't
respected OG's reason why they're doing well in the group stage, you're pretty
much giving everything they want to be able to win this game. And they style on you,
you know? SEA vs. SEA. It's meant to be scrappy. It's meant to bring teams
back down to a funeral, but little to when you throw off like this, OG is gonna
dismantle you. Something that needs to be understood too, like drafting is not
just about how does the hero you pick now interact with what the enemies have
already, it's also about like the follow-up, because like you're saying
you're handing OG, like this is the freest arcs your game of their life, like
you paired up with the SP and the same thing that's so nice about OG's drafts,
yes they like to play aggressive but all their heroes they synergize with
one another, they all like having their counterpart in the game, whether it's
in the lane or how they rotate around the map so yeah if you look at the score lines
like I don't think we have to really sugarcoat it I think OG dominated this game from start
to finish put on a display and they kind of showed us why they're the better team with
a better score.
Yeah 100% I'm honestly I don't really have much to say it's that one sided.
I hope you prepared a clip or two because I know I just looked at a one sided game
so Kezu luckily will talk to you about something in the early game in a one sided
affair.
It's also just obviously it's about the things like how do you use you know the things that you have sometimes you want to start a fight
Not like here's Yopa. She's starting the fight not by going on them
But like baiting them to go on him
He has the shield room they come around and look how they're all connecting you have not so many from the side who comes in with
The silence and like this first early dive of the game where you know they have the tier one tower
You get the open space you can now go through the triangle you could connect with your team into the middle
And because it's the small connections
It's just a small place that you know from the laning stage you have the lead you turn it into more
That's how you open up the games and for me at least I felt like we're a conics
They had multiple moments for other teams of the place even pub players in this moment
They would be watching the stream gun. Why haven't they called you Gm? Why are they not giving up?
You know, so I will give props to them
There was multiple moments of aggression from OG where it's like other teams would have crumbled of a pleasure to crumble
But they kept it, you know, they kept trying for that one more fight kept looking for opportunity
So I do respect that in a sense that when you're at the bottom of the group stage again not eliminated because again
No one gets eliminated here in the group stage. I think no one would ever segue to a game saying a team's eliminated
Never never but no I feel like for a context at least showing they're looking at play for another fight
Let's see. Let's get a bit more replay information
I have to commend it
But they need to actually try and fix some problems because I'm just seeing the same problems arise game after game
Yeah, I will say I think there's like a what's the call like I don't think that's like the correct read on like when to really
called GG. I mean it's like a bit arbitrary, like I think it's up to different people, like
how they read it. But I think most teams have like this idea that if at least one guy knows
how to win or what he's playing for to like see a way that you can turn around the fight
or an itemization or timing, of course you will cling towards the game. And I think
especially if you look at other games like you have your heroics and stuff that are
throwing games down the toilet, you might as well stay in it.
Are you in the camp of if one guy says go, you'd go? Like is that your true
believe or are you like when you were playing are you leaning towards guys
let's just go next this is hurting us I do think so as long as you know that the
one guy isn't like coping like if the guy is just like oh like you know we can
hope to like play for the same thing like you just need the one guy to have a
strong belief and then I definitely do think you can make it happen I just
realized the way that you spoke there I'm always the guy coping you know when
I'm playing my ranked games no matter what yeah that I will tell you okay
bro it's time it was time to go I'm hearing our TZ on Mike you know
talk about oh this is over i'm like hey rtzi uh hope you did okay uh you know what we should
keep trying i mean at least like that's like pubs right because i mean your pub carriers they're
gonna want to give up in a five like they want ready to drop their items destroy their items
like whatever or you're eluding for like a show match oh yeah like to me at least in competitive
like if i'm playing i see a way to win and another dude is gonna call gg on me like i've heard
very big arguments start from this so like you don't just randomly call gg it's important to
understand. Does someone have a plan? If yes, you go. If not, call it. Go next. And going
on that topic of going next. Let's look at the scoreboard to see who is actually
first place, second place. Looking at that, you know, sweet old automatic
promotion to the semi-finals and OG 7 and 4. Looking pretty good. Again, technically
first, but Tundra still out. For now, technically, but Tundra, they have a game
to play, right? They're playing up against Falcons, so they are going to potentially,
If they are to beat them get an eight and three and then leap frog og once again. So I'm still so impressed by the fact that
Seven three six four six four six four six four five four like there's so many there's a lot of attention
Yeah, doctor a noisestatl is going to have to put a lot of work. I think later tonight
Someone's going to be so salty because like no matter what happens
There's going to be some fan out there. That's like why does beating that team only give that many points
And then why does that variation of this and it's going to be awkward
We're gonna have to ring up the bro because I don't know like how this points metric system is going to come to play but
And luckily we're not gonna try and that's the worst thing
Like you know when said the last game of the day and then people like well actually if this beats this and that beats
We're not gonna do any of that
We're just gonna let the games play out and then see what happens and you wait for social media to tell you what the deal is
Yeah, yeah, all the bracket updates standings. Yeah, insert work in us production. He things happen
Yeah, but XG versus Navi the next series that we have on the cards Navi of course coming off the back of a
heroic loss a game that if they were to be heroic that would have put them in
contention to sit alongside tundra to be the favorites for top two so dropping
against heroic hurts they're kind of they're now kind of leaning on other
teams to do well now I mean I definitely I did like I did favor them in
this series right going into to heroic like I would say they looked at at least
a lot more shaky like if you look at like the heroic games overall where I
will say even though Navi did lose they're quite impressive to me
throughout this tournament because for me as well before they've always
struggle with inconsistency. Like they're good, you know they have the skill, but they're a little
too hipster here, they make some big blunders there, but this time around I think this is the
most stable. I've seen this team like have been since they formed. I mean the reason why I like the
the hips to nature is just because of Grimstroke personally. We saw the draft earlier, we might
be able to show it to you here as well. Heroic even promoted Grimstroke to a first phase band,
so that's one thing to note from the previous draft. And then Navi, they had to slot our pick
into the earthstone so the two key talking points that we're going to discuss here heroic respects
grimstroke two games two wins for navi and then they had to counter pick on slardar he completely
lost his lane yuma took over the game top net worth the entire time and ran through so i'm looking
at the same thing here can navi with a counter pick win that laning phase from the off lane and
then will grimstroke get respected once again because riddies in the position five with soul
bind amping up niku with the uh ink sweat as well they're finding ways to be super chaotic
Hurt respected it and beat it. He's gonna get respected here in this series
I think you really could because I personally feel the here that could be played more like I've seen it in pops
I've played it myself
I think the heroes received some good buffs as long as you have other people to like play with which you have in a lot of games
There's a lot of melee carries that like to go in your PA is your ursa's even if you lane with like a weaver
You're kind of chill you can sing up with your mid player later on
So I think if you have a band to spare you might as well because then there's a high chance sure really see
We'll play some disruptor. You know, he's gonna come through the gate
If you kind of know what's happening when you play against Na'Vi.
I mean, Soulbind is also such an insane spell.
Like, you put it on one guy, what happens if Tusk is trying to go for a snowball safe?
He blinks and he's like, you're soulbind.
It breaks so many lineups, but I never really hear anyone talking about soulbind.
Like, to me, this spell is broken, patch after patch, but it's like, you need the player to try it.
Of course, I think the argument, I remember, at least with some players,
that like the lane leading is too weak, the first 10 minutes, it's not there.
But there's ways to do it. There's inkswell build, there's bug builds,
but Soulbind to me, inherently, is a broken spell to give a support.
To have four other heroes that can then utilize it, you don't even need to have spell combinations.
Just leashing two people is, to me, insane.
It is definitely like a hero you need a somewhat, at least I would say, of a specialist.
Like I think even the innate where you see people fogging over the heroes,
they're gonna jerk you around on a tree line, you see them.
That's also a big part of the hero when it comes to the laning that you can actually see them.
You keep hitting them, but you know, enough about the Grimstroke.
I want to talk about MrXG, because this is still a team that I like them a lot.
I'm still not fully sure where to rate them when it comes to where exactly are they going to end up being.
I did put them in the middle of the pack when it came to my rankings.
But for me, they're slowly building the correct consistency.
Like I'm not seeing the large amount of off-games from some of their players.
I think right now, they're slowly starting to go in the direction that I would like this team to be in.
I mean, that's because they're not first picking Timbersoul.
Yes, they need to shelf this guy, like I don't know who is smoking what in the team, but it ain't the good stuff
Yeah, that Timbersaw, it's gone. See it, no more. And of course, Spearbreaker opening in the next phase with a Timbersaw
I don't know how to do it again, but...
Maybe if you take out the Timber, the SP won't even come out. So let's just say we need only the Timber, then you don't get baited into like some weird other stuff
Whatever they need to cope to not have the Timber with the follow-up. Yeah, do it.
I look at OG, understand how they draft the Spearbreaker, boom, go next. Timbersaw, just
Just take away your Tiki, maybe from the keyboard, just never press it and you won't find it here.
Look for different letters, like something else.
Slara, you know, they did well on that. Razer, they did well on that.
So of course, even in the game against Reconyx, Razer was like a last phase pick for them.
Other teams are first picking, you know, respond picking without here when it's available.
So of course, XG still, I mean, they're always quite creative throughout the tournament.
They aren't, you know, true to other Chinese teams where you have a bit more of a foundation.
I mean, it's definitely true. I mean, you know, this guy on the squad, he definitely cooks.
It definitely cooks. Sometimes it's really good. Sometimes I think it's...
You don't really understand. I do remember Exnova himself as well.
Sometimes he's like, maybe in the moment you don't really understand,
but usually it does come out to be, you know, what is actually needed.
Like picking like a bane into silencer is kind of unheard of,
but they did that multiple times at TI because they needed something else.
So let's see what he's got in the kitchen today.
I mean, let's just see what he's cooking on Jiawei in this first draft.
Only draft.
So, Shadowfiend banned that by XG.
Again, only one ban.
Hopefully, normally in the transition, there's meant to be more things happening.
My ban's happened, we get to hear.
It's true, it's very slow.
Very slow, making our drops real hard.
I mean, Mr. Jhaue, you know, he used like 19 seconds of reserve time in the start, he
didn't talk in.
But let's see.
Do you know when someone's like cooking in a draft, you know, doing cool stuff, like
what's the opposite, right?
The opposite of cooking is when you like have some insane like hipster idea and then
you follow it to like death.
But in reality you should like, do you add a phrase to it though?
Like...
I don't like trying like too hard, I think.
Like the thing is like drafting should it should be logical, but also like it should be like it has to be in the flow
Right, you can't just have a full plan and I would say like stick to it from start to finish because
Depending on what the enemies do it should influence your decisions too, right? You can't just be a bot end
Oh, we're gonna draft these these and these heroes
So it has to be like not you don't have to like reach too hard or try it's why they need to like needs to feel good
What's your take no, I'm I'll be honest I've moved on
I just remember that Niku lost me a battle cup.
Ask for a question, don't care about the answer, it's a new one.
I'm trying my best to try out this new role, you know what I'm saying?
No, I could go back to the question I did ask, I will try and answer that.
I don't know, I was just trying to give it a simple phrase, but you gave a real answer and I'll say okay, fair enough.
Like, I think it's... there's also like this balance, I think that's what sometimes goes wrong too, is that it's sometimes hard to take drafts of what they are because you oftentimes have players who will make like a very strong call about
Yeah, maybe you know that the matchup is horrible and you can't pick it,
but the guy will be like, give me this hero, I'll own this game.
And like you see it in documentaries, you see it at TI.
And sometimes, obviously it does work.
You need to have this faith in the player, but you need to have the right balance too.
Because sometimes that stuff just quilts your draft.
Yeah, I mean, that's what I think, obviously, with Joway.
Sometimes you see those ideas where it's like,
often you'll have the combination like the Mars, the Willow, the Centaur,
the Insta, any ranged hero, right?
Like it feels so good that no matter what gets pulled by Army or whoever,
You're gonna feel like the suggestion can be somewhat wild because you have this foundation
So yeah, I fully agree you can cook and try and do these things in a draft
But if you have no foundation if you're calling from ancient apparition as a blind pick, yeah, you're probably gonna get punished. I
Do like that actually open up with the SD here. I will say from all the games that I have seen of this tournament
I actually think that science has been one of the most standout players on SD so then taking this themselves
I think is quite good for the build-up of that raft. I like it a lot more than some of the cores they've opened
You know the timber we've mentioned and FY on SD also
He is quite strong on this hero and sure you did give the Grimstroke away
But I would say that SD overall is an okay answer throughout the game against the hero
It's a very
Just casual thing
Like the hero, it's like the jacarra, you know the same here. Just you pick it. Yeah, it's gonna do its job
Yeah, it's good. It's gonna stack. I think it's gonna give you like playability. It's kind of nice. You can play it with your mid. It can go into the offlane.
I would say that XG are also one of the teams that can play it in the safe lane, even though that's not the role I love it in.
But compared to other teams, they value laning a little less and they value the mid game a little more.
So when you have like SD, other heroes like Alchemist could become a bit more prominent, you stack up the jungle, you're okay.
So they're one of the few teams that could entertain this ideal.
I'm now just going to completely derail this conversation.
I just found the Battle Cop game that I was looking at the
Na'Vi games and there's a reason why I was upset.
And again, just to quote the score lines of this Battle
Cop game, super important to this series and
Na'Vi's trajectory in the tournament.
Niku from the mid lane finished 10, 18 and 19 on a mid
techies.
We lost.
It was really upsetting.
He really tried that game.
Do you want to predict my score line?
2-7-12.
I finished 19-15-16.
That's why we have to mention it.
Yeah, we did good.
Yeah, that's it.
All right, back to the more important things.
competitive tier one tournament that can influence invitations to the international.
Anyway, Narvi go for Razor as a response. Again a hero that actually kind of ignored in some of
the previous drafts. Again they got their hands on it in the third phase of a previous draft so
not really something that they rushed towards. Absolutely good hero. We've seen it, we've
talked about it, but perhaps for the people that haven't watched every single game, how dare you.
The hero is good because he can flex, he can go different items, but I will say that SD at
at least has some answers to you, right? You've got the perch against the guy
Razor, kind of at least when played as like a physical core wants to play with
his BKB. So you know, it's okay but Navi will be quite happy with the pickup.
Yeah, I mean for XG already, like when you see first pick Shadow Demon, I'm looking at
don't fall into the trap of having like you throw an Ascent tour and then
you have another like hero that exists and now you have like three
four heroes that just want to exist in the early game with no rule like
map play, no presence, army trying to be the big scanning carry and you're just
hoping that Navi don't make these moves. Like that type of mentality is a reason
why actually often gravitates towards the late game team, the one that wants to
play slow, it's because they can sometimes fall into a trap of heroes doing
the same thing in the early game. No, for sure. I think that's something that
actually have to be very careful about and you mentioned Centaur, it's
actually here that I could see even Navi, you know, look at. It can kind
of counterbalance this matchup of the Razor SD as well, of course you have
the stampede against the purge and at the same time, if you're XG, I like different heroes
a bit more.
I feel like Primal Beast is a hero that we have seen but I still rate it quite high.
I think also with heroes that stack, it's pretty good.
It can play fast, you know, it's a good skirmish hero.
You can go all around with the guy, good for stacks and XSS, he plays it really nicely.
Not even that, but nothing to say when he played it in spirit.
I've not seen a Primal Beast play that much on onslaught, and he was like onslaught
in.
Okay, just engage straight away Blink.
poking them and it was quite an interesting way to play the hero. He was never truly committing
with a pulverize. But an underlord ban from XG and then a sento, a prominent hero in play.
Navi do you take it themselves? I feel like XG, if they had access to it, it would have
been picked here. Here plus position 5, very simple draft progression. So yeah, Navi maybe
complicating it slightly for XG.
Yeah, I mean, like I said before, it just makes sense to... Sure, you do pick the
Razor into the SD, but of course you're gonna pick other heroes that can make use of it.
You've got the Stampede, you can always find the Blink Stun later into the SD.
Also that SD doesn't purge your Crimson nowadays, it makes some of these heroes feel a little
bit better too.
Okay, I think you take the Primal.
Yeah, makes sense.
At least for now, a little bit on the money.
I think it's kind of good.
Other heroes you could have thought about at least a little bit would have been
a Tide into the Centaur, but Razor does change that matchup.
So Primal, they flex it.
It's great with the SD.
I mean now it's up to them like what support they would really like to go for I think follow-up damage is kind of cool if you can find it
Yeah, my fear is this is where normally they look in like a disruptor to play on the you're running away
You could shoot back, but then it becomes an SD dish up to support combination. Yeah
It was really low damage, and I am worried they can do that. So we do go to Kira
So thankfully I think for the sake of actually not getting too punished in the draft
They don't go for some some defaults that they've they've leaned on. I actually like this a lot
I think the SD has good setup. Of course the panel gives a setup to the jacquero as well
I think it's I mean it's becoming a little more normal, but now that you actually have later picked on the supports
I think there is a chance that you could see some slightly different heroes
One here that I could see here Zayac does play it
I think clock is a very prominent hero when you play into heroes like primal and hero as well
I mean all three heroes one rocket flare into
Hookshot cogs that displaced their positioning like yeah
I could see that because he could also go like you can flex those heroes around like if you go for this guy
He can go into the same place. There's the Grim that we wanted earlier
I put a Grim clock here happy days. That sounds really cool. Like they're also they are kind of open
You know where they go they're strong together. They also give like a 1 plus 1 kill thread, which is great
Yeah, and again sudden even when you just shop save one guy if it is you know two guys leashed
You're gonna save one but the other one still gonna be leashed to the guy awkwardly stuck around this disruption is an extremely uncomfortable
Kind of match up to play it but yeah Grim stroke you've got inks what to play on a razor in the center
they happily run into a bit of the fights.
An early bug against the Primal Beast,
you have good positioning,
you can just always silence the Primal pre-BKB.
So yeah, I think Navi gonna be very comfortable
with the heroes they have at the moment,
but actually they have set their draft up
to flex the Primal between mid and off lane,
give Armae four heroes of information
to then lock in the carry.
And you are gonna potentially see your lane here.
If Navi do lock in that clockwork,
center clock you see your lane,
Armae is gonna have complete kind of freedom
to know what he wants to go for.
Yeah, I wonder what he's eyeing. And I will say, I might be slowly changing my mind on what 18 picks I want, I feel like the 18 pick for mid is rising in value for me a little bit just because I feel like the 23 mids, they're not really doing it for me, but obviously for them it's up to where does the prime will go.
They don't even use any time.
I mean, you've got a good lane. Like I will say whether it's like some grim Largo and the off lane you should be fine. Like Jokiro blinks.
Centaur Lago is definitely in, right? Zyax will probably play at 4, and then Razor will be mid to carry Flex, but yeah.
For XG, we've seen Clink's break Razors when you walk in. They break Centaur's as well, not literally, but more.
They cannot stand their ground as they walk onto the barrage of what Clink's can bring.
Because it is, for now at least, like it's just, I mean it's the Centaur plus the Stampede that can like get on the Clink's.
The fear though for XG is, it's still greedy.
The damage in the early game after lane phase is quite lackluster.
Primal needs a blink to go for the fights, but then the Grimm, even the Centaur to help the Grimm get into position should be the big counter there, so you can't lean on him, you need a BKB.
And then Clinkz, if he ever shows himself, there's the tools to find him.
So for XG it is going to be have good lanes, set up the map on your own accord and respect Nabi wanting to find you.
So Bans for XG has to remove Niku's aggression.
Enver already a very good start on that. Heroes to utilize Grimm, so keep finding the Clinkz, hunting him whilst they are.
You know, low damage and greedy in the early game.
I mean, let's see.
Oh yeah, never mind.
Puck has already first phase banned because I mean, actually you have the option of putting like the
Prime on mid or off lane.
Um, because we've, I mean, we've seen the situation a lot now, right?
Like the last two picks, it's both the mids.
It just feels like it's not that easy to get this blind mid guy who's then happy about the game.
For XG, the blind mid guy that's happy in the game is the Tiny, even though it's not been
that well received on other players.
I think any hero to just delay for 20 minutes and give Arme time is probably what you lean towards.
If you go for it, the problem with that is if you do get shot down in lane and you don't delay,
then you can just become an avalanche toss only hero that's got a blink and a yaw and you're not really scaling compared to other midlaners.
But if buying time is all extra you care about, Tiny can do that for the mid lane.
Like it's kind of, it's just fine, right?
Like the hero does its thing, it hasn't impressed me yet in a lot of these games.
I don't know if Niko's Hascar is very prominent, but that's something you could go for, if your subs are okay with it.
Or you just go for something more stable that your mid guys can play around with.
Yep, he does double with the Hascar.
He's a 24-pictile Hascar player.
Compared to Heroics and Falcons of the World, he kinda wants a little bit more information.
It cannot run them, okay, he's win rate after, yeah.
So it's 24 games, 75% win rate on the hero.
Of course, Hosscar, in a response fake.
You often do just win games.
Okay, I'm trying to like soak it all in.
So when you're playing the Smith match,
I mean, Tiny has some plays
and of course there is always like the Ava tossback
into like a TP.
I would actually like this play quite a bit.
I think also it's at least one of the strengths
of Primal Beast.
It's a more open hero.
Like he can go around,
he can like gank other lanes
or even look for TP's
because he has the onslaught to overall connect, but I like what Navi have.
I do feel like Klinks has impressed me in a lot of games,
and I think if Army can get off to a good game,
like the high physical damage is very good against these heroes,
but I'm kind of vibing with the Navi boys here.
No, I mean, Navi's like just looks clean.
They've got stuns, initiation, ways to be aggressive in the laning phase,
and the early items they overlap.
XG, there's not as much overlap.
It's pretty much way for Army to have the damage,
and then Tiny needs to hold someone still for Army to do the kill.
Primarily, he needs to hold someone down for Army to do the kill.
It is... Army is the main character for XG.
But on Navi, there's layering to it.
Even though there's a Husker on the last pick,
you can see Razor taking over the game.
You can see even Grimstroke in the correct scenario,
breaking a lot of the fights.
Centaur not dying due to his tankiness into a clinch.
So, I think Navi, they've got a lot more kind of insurance policies
built into the lineup and XG.
I must say from Army, things can go wrong.
Yeah, I do feel like for Navi,
like you could play this game quite clean
if you have good lanes, first ages.
I could see Niko end this game with like zero or one defs,
it was like a clean GG.
Whereas for XG, I'm looking for a play where they go maybe
get some tossback on the Huskart and change his matchup.
Otherwise, this game, looking a little spooky.
Again, XG and Navi, both sitting at six and four scoreline.
The winner of this will go seven and four,
tying with all the other teams
for the second place coveted spot for the semi-finals.
Who knows, Nustado probably will fix that one,
but the winner might have a chance
at automatic promotion to the playoffs semi-finals.
that's right seven and four is
the score that you need to have
a chance to get one of those top
two spots and that is exactly
what extreme and Navier fighting
for here. Of course, even if
We're going to have to contact Dr. Neustaddle first to see who actually ends up the top in that regard.
It looks like right now it's OG who are claiming that second place slot.
I think they have a better score, but I don't know if Navier Extreme, if either one of these teams wins here, if they beat out OG for that second spot.
OG's too good.
Yeah.
there he there he got it I'm convinced okay well who has this game you know
there's something about Jowee getting last pick Huskard did even after like
ten years of drafting and still just doesn't ban this hero doesn't care he
always throws NTS into the Oscar over and over I don't understand but I
deal do it again here will it work out this time I don't think it's ever worked
out once in the past for them so it looks a little rough so I'm kind of leaning
Navi's way I like XG's draft better as a whole but the Huskar is a massive wrench
in that machine that could just derail the whole thing yeah I mean easy
synergy this is a Huskar Largo lineup mmm that looks particularly discussed
that's pretty good. They do have two built-in breaks with primal SD if they get there. Got
the juice getting hand-handled up here, but it's xxs in trouble. It's xxs almost dying
when I say from Riddies is enough. That'll be first blood, and it might be second blood
too because Riddies has plenty of resources where FY does not. He has a stroke here.
They have a plasma field that caught the juice is the one to claim the other kill a massive win for Navi in this safe lane
They just got stroked off the lane Austin. Mmm
Got hit by those big strokes and you're done. It's so much damage early on
That's true. You gotta watch out for that stroke
That success underestimating his ability to get back out of that
that's a big win for Navi on
this top lane. Other lanes are going fine as well.
Also, why do you like extremes lineup as a whole? I feel like even Huskar problems aside, I like, Navi have a lot of heroes that are just going to run in, run after the Clinkz.
And I feel like we're going to see a clean scheme similar to the Falcons game earlier, where he's just getting jumped every single fight and is guaranteed dead.
Maybe he can do some damage first, but there's no real way out.
I think the lineup has a lot of stuns. It has a lot of team fight. There's a decent amount of scale with the primal.
I think Navi has the better of them in terms of like the laning setup and they're gonna come out ahead
They should be able to run it actually but if something goes wrong in this game, I think actually you will
outscale them here
A lot of teams like prowess that throw in they can stack up they have stack clears
I don't know. So what about this Navi draft? I'm just not buying it, man
Just not buying it. I don't understand why
I feel like it's pretty well
rounded and simultaneously has
like a little bit of stacked
power of like they have a lot
of mobile heroes. They have a
lot of run at you. Lot of
movement speed specifically,
and I like that aspect against
clinks. They have, you know, a
little bit of little bit of
heels. They have plenty of
follow up to the initiation,
like when the centaur hits a
have some BKB and piercing disabled and you have to have eggs plus car.
I'm just not buying it.
You have to tell me why you have to be able to explain why that's your job as an analyst.
You can't be like, I don't know, Mike, you have to be able to make gut to brain connection here.
I think they could have damage issue if link gets broken
Think razor centaur Largo can be pretty low damage. Oh, yeah, you can get on the opposite dude, but there's a disruption
There's an ice path macro. There's some onslaught going through someone's game pull rise
Like there's a lot of ways to stop the damage coming out from this coffee lineup
And again the one X factor is the Huskar the Huskar's ginormous. He's going and killing everybody. Yeah, that's Huskar
Dota it's gonna work but outside of that. I thought I was much better than the other four heroes
really threatening XG with the high HP pools, they have the two highest
strength gain heroes in the game, like I think that's often a recipe that is
difficult for Centaur to crack. And then you have this demonic purge, I think
just demonic purging razor also limits a lot of Navi's potential damage output.
So what's I'm saying? I think there's just a lot of little tools actually have
that can limit how Navi actually killed them, assuming they just don't get
that's why I'm not fine. Okay. Thank you. That all makes sense to me. That makes more
sense than I just don't feel it. Well, I'm not feeling it, but you know, sometimes it's
a gut read. Sometimes as a Dota player, you don't know why something. I mean, I also
know why in this case, but I'm saying sometimes it is just a gut read. Yeah. And I understand
that and I agree with that I'm just saying Dota players can have that Dota
analysts can't you sometimes you're like in a TI final and just I'm just picking
off laner so is there a logical reason you pick off laner so sure but that's a
gut call man you know sometimes you're sometimes yeah final and you don't
feel like you don't take juggernaut yet again that's yeah that's exactly right
Sometimes your guts are right sometimes it's wrong, you know, but it could have been right
Nothing to say is not having a good time man
His CS is actually not that terrible considering how bad this matchup is. So okay, Nico glyphs
I mean the lane is effectively over. Yeah, Joway just loves sacrificing this man to the Huskar gods
I feel like I've been watching NTSB throwing this hero for years now.
Who's the nicest guy to? Why man?
You know, if you're gonna throw a player into the Huskar lane, throw some evil player in there. Who deserves it?
Like who?
I'm not gonna name that name.
You don't wanna name evil mid laners in Dota 2?
Okay, maybe like a heel you know like if a heel player gets thrown in people don't care, but it
Throw quit in there, you know no one would care about that true
He's a dirty housecar spammer himself, so that's room that's just corn deserved
NTS getting the business now can't even walk up
Nice not fair sometimes
Hopefully get some stacks out of FY that's his comeback potential. At least he's not dying.
You know, you just don't want to feed the extra kills. He lost his ward though.
Having to go back to base.
Well, he better hope the side lanes are going better, which from what I've seen, the clinks are not.
He's putting pressure on the Centaur, but that other lane is, yeah.
They're just pulling waves down here with double melee and they're getting out of this lane.
Chikiro does not do anything to long, he just dispels your debuffs, so NTS's making the rotation.
He says I'm done with mid.
Time to find something else where I like this.
A big kill for him to get.
Doesn't take too much time either, look at that.
Very nice.
God his experience is terrible.
I thought he was gonna be at least level five off of that kill somehow ended up just shy of it
So he hits five now
Buscar is already level six so good luck to anybody approaching that lane
Which it is gonna be nothing to say. He's gonna go back
This is the catapult wave is the issue. You don't want to just get the tower for free
You can outspam it a little bit. There's a ward behind the tower not be fully set up for this play
do not want to let the tiny sit here and this is likely gonna be the death of
NTS unless actually you're willing to bring more heroes FYI it's currently
stacking made off of the silence falling back into the frog stump here with
AIMS well pretty cool combination of abilities there yeah and FYI not
he's not gonna bail that out even if he's there disrupts tiny or anything
That's kind of a sealed deal play keep the catapult alive
Not willing to bring X Nova into this
He's starting
Get a trade off bottom at least with some liquid fire arrows going in
They do keep them at tower life. So that's the important part here. You didn't feed any more kills or get completely zoned
She's got to limit the Huskar damage while NTS tries to find something.
And this line might have an idea about the observer ward now, TMA.
He's trying to cut waves, doesn't want to play the lane straight up, but with this tiny
being forced off a mid lane, it actually works pretty nicely that the Centaur's trying
to cut all the time.
Just leaves three openings.
TMA going for the creep deny does not get it as the boglets don't do enough damage
Definitely finds an action here with this tiny
It's good news for XG. I feel like they're getting through the slaying phase in better shape than maybe what I thought
Plaza field XXS trying to get the charge away similar situation for both offlaners both offlaners trying to cut waves and
And it means that the safe lane does have to dedicate some resources to hunting them down, but it works
Big stacks for somebody in this XG triangle
You're not far enough I'm saying
This guy gets no he gets nothing
Also xxs didn't even do that correctly
Like you're supposed to pulverize you're supposed to pull the ancient camp and pulverize one of them
And then trample with the larger AoE
Well, maybe he didn't want to kill the ancients
Maybe he doesn't want to take all of it, you know
Okay
Well that sounds incredibly inefficient because they're just sitting there now.
Well, that's farm for Aume later on.
I always Aume.
You can't take Aume stacks.
You just can't.
Look it.
Is this, does Aume think he's going to be able to 1v5 this game?
No, 100% dude.
I said it.
Maybe there's probably not though. See that probably not
All right mid tower do to fall with the armlet of Niku with that mid tower gone
Next step is when is Niku gonna do Roche
So I was like not as big as I would have thought yeah
I don't think he played as aggressive as you could have like he didn't creep he didn't cut waves behind that's your one and kind of
Threaten people off the lane entirely and then go steal neutral camps while cutting away even stuff is like how you get ultra farmed
Maybe some of the Huskar experienced if but
He'd be way picked up for him
Annoying frog stomp is just too easy of a cancel
Yeah, that's not what you want to do if you're actually it's okay to abandon the Huskar lane
But you can't abandon it and then just feed extra kills on top
That's how this hero gets out of control
And the Centaur who was pressured by the the fact that he was matched up against the Clinks in lane has held the Dominator
So he's
Taking the tower and he's pretty much guaranteed to get far no matter what happens
X-XS trying to cut out the wave so they can take the opposing safe lane power as well
But now he's been silenced now with the ink swell. It's a chain stun scenario
X-XS dies. Plasma shield does quite land on X-Milva
And Niku can't keep chasing.
Huskar powering up right now, creating some space around the map, getting some kills, getting some power runes.
Slips that Centaur recover and I'll make kind of unsure where to go right now.
You can't do the ancients because they're stacked. You kind of got to stay bottom, so you don't take space away from the tiny, but
a little difficult to get this lane out when the Centaur can just send the Dom Creek down there.
No real playmaking ability open for XG either.
Need Tiny Blink?
You're 250-300 off here?
He's also just kind of low level.
Like even if you get a Tiny Blink here, he's still level 7, almost 8.
You don't have the full combo online this early in the game, so...
Somebody's got to kill these Ancients.
That's all I know.
This is the best objective for XG right now.
They'll clear it as a team at this point.
I don't think NTS got a single creep.
I think he got one.
I think he got one. He's 20 off blink.
They're just bullying this man.
What's happening? He's getting bullied by Navi and his own team.
Yeah.
Disrupts him into Toss.
Science.
Trying to make a run for it here to the hasteroom, but he's demonic purged.
Give him the stampede, though, and that will keep him alive, even as he is unable to get the power room.
Stampede's gonna be nice against this Purge this game.
I think normally demonic purge would cause like the Razor Husker a lot of problems, but you can just stampede counter it every time.
Who cares?
Every important question. Which is the best Largo song?
In terms of the most powerful or...
or just listen to the song itself.
Oh, well, I don't play with
any sort of musician.
You should have an opinion on these things.
Yeah, I've never heard the Largo songs.
What? You can hear them right now.
Yeah, I don't play with audio.
Do you cast with the audio?
Well, my brain like autos filters it out, you know.
OK, he starts drumming the guitar
and you just hear white noise.
Well, I like games on very low
and uh i legit never heard the lago songs like the actual audio okay well done that'll be your
job between this game you go on that total to liquopedia and listen to the lago sounds for me
are they good or like you can make this whole thing a lot better than i thought it was going
I'd say island elixir. That was pretty nice.
It is the best one, good job. Blind guest it.
Desolator done for Aume after getting that kill on Riddies.
But it is still Navi up 3k, mostly due to the difference between the Huskar and the Tiny.
Huskar is up 2,000 to the opposition right here.
this could be a nasty smoke though if you can each swall this blink centaur in
and connect your other damage heroes potentially even just let the huskart
do the loosh while this is happening actually definitely not fair to the
scandal there was a big quarter he just had really nice combos with
the angst well now that's the huskart jumping in of the centaur jumping in
even potentially that we saw earlier the Largo where he licks somebody with an
A-Swell on him.
Easy tower right there. They do lose their shrine.
That's kind of sad.
I think this Huskar should have either gone shrine while they're making that player roast while they're making it play
Steady just kind of farm ancients. I think I think Navi were supposed to get more out of this
And how strong a time it was
They they are kind of untouchable right now. What do you think Niko's build should be in this game?
Because he's going armlet and he was thinking about BKB and he opted for Saan. Now he's thinking about a heart
I
Kind of felt like this is a game where you could go blink tagger on Huskar and you know just
Hunt down the clink says as much as you can
Definitely one BKB at some point I
Don't know about heart. I think it's a heart pretty weak on this hero compared to like Satanic
I would imagine it's almost never the better option
Because like there's no way he's going hard.
Hard is dawg on this hero.
Because it keeps you high, you can't farm.
Like you don't farm fast because everything you're going between camps you want to bring
you just wouldn't you know.
Well maybe with the arm length turned on you can keep it from you know getting your
HP too high.
There's no way
Licky backup in depth why
God gets one shot danks well combo like so many others from extreme
That helps that there's just these like little two or three man hero skirmishes
Bobby's lineup is great at that
This is not been the fastest most efficient game for Navi, but they are getting the job done.
That's all I've got.
Yes.
Like, I think this league could be bigger with a more experienced, well-rounded house
car team, but they're kind of just playing it like a normal lineup with, like, the
lane-wind mid.
Just okay, but actually you're still getting a decent amount.
Like, this Tiny is recovering, you know?
It's not like this Tiny just got slapped into non-existence.
I don't know, actually kinda getting stuff out of the map.
Doesn't look too bad for it.
Makes me lose NTS here a little.
I'm not going to be rotating a lot of heroes for it, frankly, I'm not sure if Tiny's
ever really going to have a game in this one. Just going to be up to XXS who has his BKB.
So with that BKB, you can get the guaranteed pulverized duration on somebody and that combos
with the jikiro macro pyre and ice path really well and the clinkstool delivering
damage with the SL. It has to be the primal scaling and maybe Fy can pick up a little
bit later on with this SD, but like those are your X factors. This Tiny is just going
to be utility. The Klink is your primary damage dealer, but he cannot enter the fight first.
And Navi will have BKBs in this game on their big cores. He's actually going hard.
What the hell is this dude?
This cannot be good. I refuse to believe there's like any actual Huskar spammer who would go
Well, he is a Grandmaster tier Huskar, so he's kind of a spammer
I'm just out of curiosity, I checked the Dota buff win rate for Huskar with heart, which
obviously it's going to be above average because who that'll get hard on Huskar, you
must be pretty damn farmed.
It is still kind of in his top 25 items. It's picked up
I'll see what it does. I guess the newer heart is better
You get like an insane region of the low HP that part's kind of cool
It is the highest win rate item of items that are picked up a lot on the hero.
Or maybe the new heart just like bust it on the hero because you get low and you just can't die because you're 250 regions.
Well, if the idea is the heart is going to be affected because they're so far ahead, that's not actually the case.
case only a 4,000 net worthly for Navi the same bleed that they've had pretty much the entirety
of the game after laning phase they got that lead early a couple of kills here and there some
early powers and now it's just kind of stagnated they are going to get yet another objective
this one's going to be poor mentor so shard ends up there for ziots good timing for him
because he has his bobbas so he's actually going to get some value out of the shard
A lot of this game is going to come to not even get on top of the clinks, take Aume out
of the fight.
So they're kind of at the point where you've gotten your core set of items, maybe it's
time to buy some extra blinks or like aggs, huskards on point and stuff like this that
can just mess up this clinks' day.
Worth thinking about.
up on the right items armlet saunge, Aegis, Hart, Miku, start to bang it away at the tier
two, extreme what nothing to do with him, they're just trying to slow down his push as much
as possible, Nami is going to get some info on got the juice here, but he's got a EKB,
no point really calling your allies to go gank that guy.
Just cut waves
The old croak of genius Huskar Manic Moss reduced by 15
Do you think that actually?
Sure, no
What a combination actually
You know what, you know what, no banter, gotta be good, right?
The damage and reverb of percentage-based life break?
It's just funny to me, you know?
Yeah.
Also, I don't know, like, how's he going to just run you're out of blue HP, it's just...
I'm not buying, bro.
I'm not buying.
His farm is so slow, it's like, I can't, I can't get damage.
Like I can see the heart if you look if you have like an agent you buy heart you go high ground you end in the game
You know, yeah, I'm really good for the fight, but this item cannot be good for the hero. Just run around with that
It kills so much of your farm, maybe need to put it in his backpack every mom's the man. He should have yeah, he actually should
I'm not even kidding. He'd farm faster with the heart and he just subs it in when he's about to go in the fight
And he's like a low HP against all the region look at the arm like can barely
keep him from a hundred percent HP this is it isn't interesting I I genuinely
don't know if this item is like supposed to be built on this here or not I
I have to believe all the Husqvarst cameras would probably give you like a
different answer you know I'm sure some are like oh yeah it's good some are
probably like it's trash some are like all in this scenario but I guess another
question is this game is this the building because I do feel like I actually
you have a lot of like their lineup is kind of first century
yeah i mean between the tiny and primal beast combinations with jacquero
you're definitely like you know full all in for five seconds to kill one hero
like the peak of you is definitely more important in this game for him but he'll
hell get there eventually too ultimately it is got the juice who's the true carry in this game
level 18 on this razor pushing towards ac satanic potential of his own mega farmed if he ever gets
on top of clink's with a link could just be the end for all of it cannot out dps him in that interval
which we did see this clink's razor matchup earlier on and it is an interesting matchup because
the clink's can just shred the razor even as he's drained the damage
Yeah, yeah. It requires you to get to the point where you've got level 18, maybe level 20,
need the agonim scepter, you know, you want those multiple sources of damage.
So it's not a completely straightforward matchup here for Gotha Juice, but you have to imagine
if Melvi get on top of Clinkz with stuns, then Homie is probably screwing that sort of teamfight.
Quick smoke from XG as they lose their jacquero top and see all those heroes at the heart
Huskar.
Uh-oh.
Stampede going off, Huskar trying to back away a little bit of goods.
Zobai is going to catch a lot here, Nico is still trying to back out.
He turns, hits XSS, XSS with his VKB is full committed here.
He's going to die to both the Huskar and the Razor.
They could not finish up the Huskar.
in fact I don't even know what they could do there is too much HP between a hard
house car in a lardo the hearts are strong dude the heart is too he's just
he's just a damaged so he didn't kill him that fast but he just can't die so he
kills them in evidence this is the lardo house car strut it's just too
much heal literal damage test all these final though can he overcome the damage
test in this game still having a perfect game by the way one zero and one he has
not fallen what a game I mean we were talking about the difference between
I mean, I think that's a
really good idea. I mean,
Clink's plays. Yeah, you're
like on a new Toro and, uh,
not to me are probably the
premier clink players. Right
now. So we'll see on a do his
ranching and three pops out
burning barrage. Skeleton
walks away over and over
again. I mean, yeah, I
agree with that. But I
think their styles very
different. I think not so
me clinks. Takes the game
Like they just play it like a drow or an a m or something. Yeah, I agree. I agree like I'm gonna AFK farm until six
Slotted and then you can't beat me. Ha ha ha, you know, yeah, and I'm just gonna rat you until I get there
Or it's not to me is like
I'm gonna throw a brick in your face at 20 minutes
It's a violent
You're the brick off
Okay, I
I guess fire break depends what year it is
Well, they have eggs on FY he actually got there just brown boots aggs
So he has double demonic purge with break pretty big deal in this game if you can get it off
And it looks like I was behind the shadow demon good opener
Get back kill without a problem. How's Jim Jim Jim? Oh
XXS gets it back into the hands for extreme gaming
all right well that's not the worst story of 4-5 in smoke clink says Ratten
almost a Daedalus, Gem are covered but they will lose Roshan as Harkuskar
attempts to kill it. He can't kill Roshan, Roshan can't kill him. Why does he put it in this backpack I think?
Maybe he's just afraid that the extreme gaming is gonna pop out of the smoke in any second.
I'd refuse to believe that that is a statement any team has ever said in the history of...
You like, no team has ever said, I'm afraid extreme gaming is going to pop out of a
They smoke and go on me.
Are you calling a streamgaming passive?
I'm saying they are a very defensive team.
Oh, you are linked.
You are linked and you are done.
Two quick kills for Navi as they have not smelt all this game through killing Extreme over and over again.
But when they have gotten into fights, they have been very one-sided.
Didn't even get to the Daedalus on his Clinkster and he's so close.
Such a good damage boost.
Banner, protects the creep wave.
A few more seconds to work with before backdoor protection comes up and another
creep wave is pushing in. Satanic done forgot the juice.
How's Scar at full?
What will you do?
A lot of HG to get through.
Slow and steady.
Slow and steady wins the race, you know?
The arrows mean nothing to him.
As he will reach enough.
It's like watching Alakazers.
That is how it is.
He's just an AC now.
Just max armor with alongside the heart.
Just don't take any damage.
There's some truth in it of like...
Sometimes the best way to kill people in Dota is just make sure you can never die.
And then the enemy just dies trying to kill you.
That's basically what Falcons did for a year, you know?
Yeah, they did.
That's a good strat, honestly, because it removes all decision-making from your end.
It puts it all on the opponent's.
That's the actual strength of it.
Just turn your brain off
You are in danger of sometimes games going long
Which oh, you don't have the better late game lineup. Maybe that's concerning the Navi
I don't know if they had the better late game lineup, but they certainly are no slouches and going they
They're acting like they do and
Would they lead I think that's true for razors of
Ridiculous like you here with refresher and double-eye a storm nonsense. Oh
I don't think they're too poor here.
Grim Shulk is also a pretty stupid laking hero.
You can either get Ags or Hex, and at that point both of them on the lane purchase.
Ridiculous to try and play into the Ultra Lake, so they definitely have some very solid scale.
Plus Kart, you always have Workhorse that can bail out the Razor Hosskar,
and then what does Almey do in that interval?
Oh yeah, that's the counter to the Shattered Demon demonic purge.
purge. I mean they slow down the razor you just put them in the cart and keep that drain going.
They need this primal axe. They're real bad in this game. They probably need
some other item on all the behind of BKB or something I don't know but not be
not going on ground do not want to repeat the trends of today
I
Only some very one-sided games we close up this group stage
What is actually want to do here they're all grouped in their base ages has a minute left
They don't want to do nothing. They want to sit in their base and they want na'vi to push into the face there
I respect that
And Navi is not going to grant them that opportunity is they're just gonna let this ages take out
Oh, they do a new song
They're smoking down bottom looking for the frog
Pop out love science real quick
See you later nerd just like that. They retreat back to the base
a successful game. It would be really funny if they just backed up and sat on their high ground again.
Just a five-man smoke to give the middle finger to side.
Probably got lulled into sleep in this game and just decided to farm away for the first time in 20 minutes and instantly died.
Now Navi will try and find retribution.
What the sh-
O-Roon, Centaur, they're not propping that bad boy.
Goes back in with X-XX, gets a grab onto this razor with a fall-up,
McRapyre, ice bath.
It does a decent amount of damage, just not enough to finish off these heroes.
They needed Aume to deliver some damage on the got the juice,
but instead got the juice, gets up, the Satanic, heals up the full,
and let's not even talk about the hard Hustar.
They will be wearing the ice bath.
He's got nothing left.
No Satanic this time around, so he will die in the second go from Extreme Gaming.
Now the Avalanche toss back onto the Oscars.
Broken Oscars on top of that, trying to give him a lick to get him out.
TP away.
Nope.
Denied instantly by the ice path from Xenover.
Good reading situation.
Niko still making a run for it though.
Nuppetzei, blink up.
Three, two, one goes in.
Avalanche toss up of the air.
Not quite a lot of damage.
Niko with the armlet toggle.
Now gets hit from the back.
He says, man, there comes a big boulder.
Licky trying to pull him back again.
He's going to be broken.
Can they finish off this Oscars?
It's everything they have to pull.
Shoot him!
Good!
Okay.
You're broken on Huskar! Good God!
What the hell was this fight?
Dude, X and XS is a monster.
This guy is...
He is the best offlaner in China.
I don't know who else makes that play.
He gets ganked by four heroes and he just throws a rocket.
Stuns the two of them and it's like time to go.
It just absolutely delivers 10,000 damage.
This decimates Navi.
He forced so much out of the razor early on in that fight.
Very clutch disruptions by FY2. He bailed him out at the end.
A lot of teamfight from XG out of nowhere, down 20k.
Clutch.
Very clutch.
I mean, if he thinks we're a fresher next time, XXS.
He's a beast.
We talked about the primal skill in this game.
It's a very good primal game.
I think PMA almost needs like a BKB to make sure he can work horse and grab.
Cause you can grab people out of pulverized, right?
Yeah, should be able to.
So like that combination should be halted.
All you need to do is make sure you can actually cast it and not get stuck in like
avalanche or ice path or something
I was last this is the last time I'm gonna say anything about this Oscar heart
but all of the others it did not look great that way like yeah you live for
ever yeah but he did nothing he did no damage I didn't think he got like he did
anything in that fight he just he's just there chilling
it's bizarre and I don't know how to evaluate this he did live for very long time that was cool
well this problem with society you know you got too many people focused on the grind
getting shit done you know it's okay to just be laid back and build a heart on us car and
and chill, you know?
I will say if he finishes ag, I think this build,
maybe it comes together for me,
because then you're just some frontline unkillable dude
and you're just taunting people for three seconds every seven.
Okay, but he won't be unkillable by the time,
when he gets to that point,
we're then going to be at Clink's level 25,
five-slotted.
He's not going to be untouchable at that point, but he looks pretty unkillable.
He looked pretty unkillable to me.
Yeah, when he got killed.
That was a fluke, dude.
He just passed a horrible tarp.
A fluke.
That's not longer than a fluke.
Bybans broke up from Na'Vi trying to play for Roche on right now.
Roche?
Could be top.
Will be top.
They're still missing the raise for 25, because that fight went so bad.
Yeah.
It's a big deal here.
Ami also missing his 25, but he has a full MKB done after that.
Wait for the high ground.
Ward's got the toss back on the Centaur into the ice path.
Acropyne now the grab of the pulverized.
The Centaur is down.
Jumping from the razor.
Beautiful rock though.
Goes out from X6S, stalls some of the aggression still though.
The razor's pushing through and he's got too much.
They can't fight him, not yet.
If he got the double link off the solo line,
It does so much damage plus 260.
And players Bota on top of that, that is not a fight
actually we're willing to take.
It's going to be so scary that he takes the attack speed.
Yeah, what's that?
25-2 double damage and double attack speed steal.
Well, you're absolutely taking it.
He's a monster now.
He's just going to get some refresher shard here.
Oh, boy.
This is the late game ranger that we were promised.
Still a perfect game for Lame. 5-0-3 is yet to die. Continues to wrap them up.
Well done.
You guys mind?
What do you think about, uh, Scotty as his next item?
It's an annoying item for an enemy, but it's not the highest DPS, and that is always the question.
Like, do you need more damage here?
Yeah, like as good as that is against hard huskar like I just feel like I just want more damage
That's all I can do
You should just go to the line right there then
Yeah, I'm down with that
I'll go to the line right here, support yourself
Trying to get the toss back there
Good whiff
Four minutes of ages time for got the juice
Plus, even when they kill him, they're gonna have satanic BKB refreshed.
Jump in from nothing to say, disruption buys him a little bit of time, trying to get out with his BKB,
but he's still linked up, got the juice, gonna steal all of his attack damage and attack speed.
Trying to finish him off, force down a little bit away, nothing to say, he's still alive and gone to juice.
He takes a healthy amount of damage from that macro player. Still though, he's cooking, takes out the lane of Barracks,
And backs it up even as he loses again. If he loses that agency just swaps in the refresher shard
He'll have BKB satanic again
I don't know how NTS got out of that. It's again clutch disruptions and
Ules bales him out
Lucky to escape there still is a racks mid even if Navi get the full lane bottom
But there's a hex out on Riddis and that is
A nasty soul buying text combo that can lead into double link
Can lead into you know, put stomp on the club targets
So I have next you have to really not pump your double life break double double edge
Got a good amount of single target abilities that can really go off with the soul bond
Do that refresh on the primal to know though
pretty big here. This game is still winnable for actually down 20k, but they can pull something out
of their hat on this high ground. Definitely doable. They have a very strong high ground ladder.
Clink's Tiny, Tossback, Chikiro, Estee in the base, always annoying.
It does seem to be a trend. A lot of Tiny's being picked up. A lot of games getting stalled
out because who wants to go high ground against the Tiny?
You gotta go though, you gotta go.
You have Aegis from Pressure Shard.
How many lost his courier?
That's big.
Cause he has 6000 plus gold.
Can't really buy anything right now.
I like this.
Blink Dagger.
Bop by Dr. Juice.
I mean, this is like that warlock situation earlier, right?
You just want to mass initiate inside the base.
base.
He's getting in.
Chaotic is possible.
See if this Oscar team can get on top of the clings.
Here's the X-Tone.
X-XS leads off with a bull-bride grab.
Aumei forced to jump away as PMA.
Gorizor hit.
Beautiful soul vine, giving two of these heroes big ultimate out from X-XS as his
break is doing some work.
Niko at half HP gets hit by the rolling.
Now, jump away.
No, actually gets stopped there.
It's a primal beast.
He's unable to charge away.
Got the juice.
was on a, from a distance, the last couple of shots
not quite enough, a refresh and got the two
starts healing up, a toss forward.
From nothing, just hey, I don't know why you tossed
in FY, but they got the gem back.
I was like please brother, no.
I have a backlight support.
And now they're gonna have to do it
without the Primal Beast.
Their whole combo of overrides and put damage in
has not worked out.
I mean Exusus is doing everything he's likes.
He's a divine raker bought out for Aame.
Unnecessary.
He's gonna TP in, but it's too late.
Mega creeps have already been taken.
Trying to get the tossback,
and got the juice too quick,
with the mantle,
the illusion gets lost away,
and the creeps still get bursted
by the divine raker.
They have to respect
the Aame claims
he's doing some damage now.
Look at those crits, man.
1,500 crits
back to back on Niku.
steaks him out. Where's your heart gone now boy? No where. He made mincemeat out of that
razor. He did, he did. That was not the expected DPS. Not the juice had in his mind. Thinking
he is the god in this game though. The Aumei clinks, still having a perfect game. Still
0-3 the leaves he will wouldn't be nine this if he has to
Blade mail the Oscar Niko buys out a blade mail
I mean I think Navi is just a whole should just buy a blade mail, right? Yeah, yeah get a blade mail and centaur
You could get on the razor
It's also a garage. He's walking into it
Try to catch on a couple of us
Got him in the fall with this on x-axis the graph on him though the disruption on me
He's still stuck in the monkey. He's got a little bit of heals up. Oh my god, what a lotus
Don't what is this game? Oh my god, Navi died without buyback on Huskar and Centaur
What has just happened?
They got primal so hard right there they did
Did they lose?
They might have.
They might have.
There's a very real chance that extreme gaming can hit tier three straight to tier fours.
There's a buy on this razor.
I don't think he doesn't want to hit it.
Why?
What's he afraid of?
I think he is afraid of the all-in that the razor blinks on him, links him and
is able to all-in him.
I actually think Amin has enough damage though, that he doesn't have to care about that.
I just don't know these cores don't have buy.
It's a gold buy, not a timer buy, so I'm thinking if they buy it's funny.
But are you really just gonna not go for throwing it in Plagas Megas here?
That seems... I think when you get gifted an opportunity like this, you just run.
What's the worst that can happen?
I agree. You have a chance to win the game right here. You might as well take it.
Oh man, that was a gift.
A once in a game opportunity to gamble on them not having buybacks.
You didn't take the gamble.
You settle for a Rax.
Yeah, the Rax does nothing for you
because you're up against Magus.
So creep wave's still going to push in.
It's one of those moments, you know, that can go either way.
They all in command, but good disruption and pulverize interrupts.
And then he's so low here, and it's not the death pact.
It's the Lotus that heals him up.
He death packs a little bit later, but.
Well, yeah, it's just, it's a rough man.
Very rough to try and all in this guy
with the disruption behind him.
That's why it's been all on point.
Okay, but level 25 Hush's guy, right?
He gets the life break damage.
They in the hearts really cookin'
Why is F5 runnin' around with two gems?
What is that?
Is this just giga-chat play?
Dude, like even the eights, you know?
He's got two gems
He's just keep it up, dude
He doesn't care
He wants he wants a chaos of like when he dies in a fight like double gems being on the ground
Maybe you know now he's like struggling to grab them both. All right. He sends one back
Maybe they were disgusted someone else wants to carry one or something
None of our cores really have the slots
It's tiny could carry one, but he's currently holding on to a three count stacked greater lotus
Which can't blame these have been pretty nice in the fire. He's just gonna feed on it
Every five seconds. Here's a mini cheese
They're gonna kind of have to do that. There's again. Navi makes the jump on the Clintons. It's not like I'm a can get out
Just kind of has to fight
Stand his ground
Yeah, the funniest thing about all this is that you already know Clink's is gonna get reworked in like a month. Anyways
All this work practicing Clink's for nothing. Yeah, he's he's getting reworked again
They're gonna kill half his kid because you know, they have to give him facets. So
And he's being successful, you know, he's like kind of when he games out. No, that's just illegal
Zero's not allowed to win games
What's the buyback status?
Yeah, I mean racers, so they know the race is on cooldown and all they has farmed is up.
Not that it's the most influential divine dropping, but
it's significant here.
This is a window for XG. If you find got the juice, the game can just end.
Silence, that is.
That's a bold frog toss right there.
do you think got the juices like like he went to blink dagger for a reason right
I feel like he is not really shown himself the start of fights he does not
want to give up bro still he is just okay it doesn't actually land on him
plans we feel get some vision inside they go for nothing to say nothing to
say here goes the pulverize to grab on to the centaur any follow-up so by
got the tiny and the primal beast but over this macro pyre they really can't
fight into that not for now so there goes the centaur he has a five oh the
creeps though holy crap oh man he just tore him a new one they get the Roshan
they get kills they get everything from the Roshan pit Navi seemingly impotent
here can't do anything maybe they should have just tried to go through all the
distraction was happening or something yeah and tier four's got pretty low
during all that I mean is that the plate she's just trying farm like
Ags refresher on Razor and have him back door. They're throwing at something. Oh, yeah
I don't I don't think you can win the straight-up fight. This cost car is useless. He does
Quite literally nothing. I don't think he did anything in that fight
He did 2,500 damage, you know what spell off and most that damage was blade mail
Does the when you get asked does either storm have priority on heroes as in if you if they go to some sort of ancient play
But it's you know a team find a route in it is I the storm gonna hit the buildings at all if they can hit heroes in seven
Thank you always prioritize heroes. Yeah, they're always prioritize the lowest HP hero
So you cannot hit a building over a hero with this
Because basically the building cannot be a lower HP hero because it's not a hero
sure sure sure sure yeah I can see that
but if no one's there you don't want to say yeah yeah if there's nobody there those buildings are gonna drop fast
so we call an old uh actually I can't say that's a brand name huh
full pizza delivery in N.A. you know what I'm saying okay okay not not
I'm a man of my word, honestly.
Who asked you to give your word for anything?
Five men spoke up from Na'vi.
Nobody asked for your word.
They still have no reason for this.
This is kind of bold.
There, I can't wait to try the thing.
A stop, so by on two, beautiful opening for Na'vi.
Whew.
I'm going to try the thing.
So fine on to beautiful opening for Navi
Okay, it's really out prepared for that
They were just chilling in the river thinking about how great this game is going
So it is great. You know, there's a croak of genius on on Huskar now like he does 66 percent
Of your HP and then you get a croak of genius where it does half the damage again
but it has to reverberate and he has to lay in the bowl.
I mean I'm just saying I feel like you've got almost a one shot combo here.
Toph's back on the Husker.
It's off his BKB trying to life break away.
There's the Centaur.
Of course, Toph picks him up and gets him away.
Oh the nice Lotus!
It stops the pulverize and now the Primal Beast is full committed.
Not where he wants to be a dieback for the Primal.
is not going to reset a little bit
you got shredded
that life break did a huge amount of damage
well that's your xxs buyback
you still have Aegis
so
well
what? no you don't have Aegis
Oh sorry, nothing to say, they still have cheese on Huskar, I guess.
Oh yeah, the Tanya, yeah the Tanya doesn't use it, but does that do anything to him?
Yeah, I mean, if you can do it anyway.
Yeah, so find some of the ULT's, get rid of the shield rune.
Tier 4, one down, toss them back into the ice path, once again the cart goes out and while they save the Huskar, they kill the Tiny.
Aegis down. Niku.
Nothing to say. He tries to come in. He's unable to blink right away, so no toss back here.
And Gapaduce showed himself for a second there.
Gotta do something here if you're ex-g.
45 seconds till the primal beast is back up, and I'll be...
They've used an Eye of the Storm. It's halfway through its duration.
He pushed forward.
Going after the Ancient, on they pops out, trying to do what damage he can to push Gapaduce off the Ancient.
a good job of it man.
He's got a lot of damage.
He's got a lot of damage.
He's got a lot of damage.
He's got a lot of damage.
He's got a lot of damage.
No buyback there either.
3 vs 5 Niku almost dying there is Aame.
With the Divine Rapier.
He's trying to put enough damage to kill these Navi heroes.
But they just keep on resetting.
Another toss back.
Don't chance into bar.
Niku trying to get him out of there.
kill army trying to dance away from us got the juice that doesn't mean it's
juice so successfully nobody from knob he is dead yet and they back a retreat
they say the primal is too terrifying I need to be fair army has killed he did
16,000 damage in that fight and didn't kill anybody the heart the heart
Huskar has come online
He might not do the building damage, but he is doing the
Watching him in a game ancient. It's really funny
He goes for it
Once again trying to get the tons back once again
The card is there to be able to stop enough than to say in some trouble
Bad news so by it holds back xxs xxs in some trouble here good macro prime trying to solve these heroes
But it doesn't change the fact that xxs is dead
He's on the table for him, PMA all in, Hurricane Pike, but he can't do enough.
GontuJu is able to hunt him down still as the real damage dealer is here.
Second life for Aume, but this time the no-divine rapier can't really threaten the razor the same way he could before.
Zayat picked up the divine rapier, turns it into a spell amp divine rapier.
The four man, they'll wait for the Centaur before they go in for the final blow.
There it is, he's about to be hit by an E-Folian. Commits to take out the Ancient. Got the Juice. Just needs a little bit more.
Aume can't do enough damage. They will finish off the Ancient and close out their final game of the Blast Land group stage.
Well that definitely got a little sweaty there. I'm still not convinced by some of the itemization I get, but I'll be at the job done.
Not the most aggressive game, not the highest octane game, but they do close it out with the Razor Scale.
He just got back he's like hey guys what happened you win that one. No you didn't know
You went horribly wrong in the last few minutes
I feel like x6 simultaneously had the best plays of that game and the worst plays
But that's so by
Really really like so by to absolutely one that down the stretch there. Otherwise, I think probably just tramples them
So cool cool pick there from the grip show proving its worth
Yeah, very sick pick up for Navi great drafts all around as they take the game over extreme
I mean, I don't think I've seen that in I
When was the last time you've seen that all right f y of course he gets picked off with the sob
I'm beautiful stuff from ready to gain groom stroke the value of the late game so by primal. That's you get the kills
He dies and then he just
Departs his PC during his death. He doesn't have buyback, but look he's fully gone
Oh, that's that I mean, okay, so first of all, I was like a pea. It looks like a toilet break
Yeah, I get it but like you don't have you you have mega creeps
You're playing against mega creeps, you die, there's 90 seconds, he respawns, he's still not back from his piss break, he sits down, he's already been alive for 2 seconds, ancient explodes.
I have not seen that.
While I'm playing, I don't want to see one of my teammates like, get up.
They're fighting for their lives!
Like, even at the end, there's only a couple seconds left, but he respawned during the time and didn't move.
That would kind of suss me out a little.
No, of course. Again, like, the whole rea- I mean, actually was building this potential comeback based on clink being protected by Primal.
So of course, Primal Dying and you know, haha, Navi probably just win the game, right?
But I can think of anything worse than just seeing my guy, you know, I'm defending my ancient
He's said relieving his bladder, you know, he had better things to do that toilet was necessary
Again, maybe take a page out of skitters book, you know, there's probably some apparatus underneath the desk
But such as like XG versus Navi Navi are claiming a another victory in this group stage
They put themselves seven and four and pretty much continue the hype of who is getting top two thunder
Of course the upcoming series will get to that in the future if they are to lose Navi again
Potentially leap from them and create these beautiful moments of the last day madness of the best of ones
But yeah, Navi a hard-fought battle, but the third game today. We see a clink at an awkward game. All right falcons
Was it a right?
No, it wasn't one game, yeah, and then XG those three series had a clink in the games and it just got weird
Of course, Navi played the clink's Falcon played the clink's and XG paid the clink's and all three of them
Went their distance with the clink's and lost. I mean, I will say like for this game
I like what Navi did for again. It's like the majority of the game. I think their lanes were very good
I did like their picks quite a lot as well. This moment was very such like it's minute 50
Why are we at the wisdom like wisdom trying doesn't really matter
And then it's not just one guy that's protected by the second bro
You're like on top of each other holding each other's hands to like just die together
I will say that XG did some good things and some very clutch things like I will say that
XXS his score line did not really like what's it called like it didn't reflect the gameplay and the impact
He had seen with army is beyond Godlike right now guess what army my friend got like but FYB had a piss ball performance
I
Okay, maybe I won't go there. Maybe he's got some bowel issues. We never know
Couldn't hold it in another 90 seconds... useless... ah well well now we win XG now not gonna be top 2
what can you do best the one punishment i guess do you want to look at some some
landing phase stuff some nothing to say tiny some opportunities potentially that could change
it because like i want to show the things that if you're really informed here like if you're
really thinking about what you can do this is an opportunity that you should take to
potentially kill the house guard because if we play the clip out i disagree with nothing to
say is decision here to just nuke the wave. Look how Huskar plays. Both of his supports have TP
ready. You could just right now get an Ava toss on this range creep. Instead of tossing in the
range creep, you Ava the Huskar, you run up, you toss him back to IDOLF, you support TP,
and that's how you can actually kill. So I understand you go into these lanes and you have
this idea, well I'm outmatched, I can't win this lane, but you can just autopilot because
you're playing a losing lane. You need to take these opportunities to like turn it around
and maybe you could have stopped the Huskar's game. But if you don't think about it properly,
it will never happen.
I would argue nothing to say has gravitated towards being a more consistently average player.
Even when XG is winning, he feels like he's part of a system.
Rather than back in the day, you're like, wow, he's standing out like, look at the embers
in the team because he's the guy.
He feels like he's just another cog in a machine.
And you can see with that play there, rewind the clock 3-4 years ago.
He's probably getting that kill, setting up that TP, making these moves, but he
just feels like he's following along a little bit more.
Yeah, I'm still waiting for his LGD days.
That's also what you're alluding to.
Because right now, he has stepped up his gameplay,
but these are definitely the moments.
Of course, it's hard, but if you can find those,
they're really defining of you being the S tier mid-player
and just the one tier below.
Yeah, and talking about S tier mid-players,
S tier builds and stuff,
I wanted to look at Navi's itemization in this game.
They were so toxic as they kind of entered the mid-game.
They had the Aegis on the house,
but Niku went straight for the heart after the armlet.
Then you have a Largo with a solo crest
to lock it, readies with a blink-out dagger, go-sepsis so it can get into these difficult
positions, not died to the clink because of that initiation to then disengage post-solar
bind. So it's like, saw-bind, sorry. So everything on Navi is built on itemized to be together
as a unit, and that was so scary throughout the entire game. Army, sure, he ended the
game, what was it, 10, 1, and 6 on the clink, but I just think the way Navi itemized,
it created these opportunities to get the mega crit short. High ground blunders seem
to be the theme of the day, but-
Yeah, let's not talk about it anymore.
Let's not talk about that. I want to pass that. PMA, you know, is it Navi's roster and the way that they played that game?
It can break a lot of teams with just the Grimstroke, the Atomization, the small little things.
I liked most of the things they did apart from like the heart I still question a little bit
because I feel like when you buy heart at a stage where the enemy team, they're not really looking to fight you.
It makes me wonder, is it really the best item? I could have liked Boots of Travel.
He has like Dominator on his Centaur.
You could farm any creep on your map, wait for the creep to run around, travel into the fight,
but either way, it worked out.
I'm not a Haskell expert,
so I'll let them do the talking with the gameplay.
He just wants it to be a blob though, right?
Like the way that he was playing,
there was these moments where he actually could come back
into the game, of course, Primal Beast finding pick offs.
They had a couple of opportunities,
but they didn't respect army.
I think that was the main problem.
So, you know, the whole idea of Haskell
and his build was just find the clink,
live long enough that someone else can kill him.
It just didn't work out.
Again, we have some highlights for you
in regards to actually finding some of those opportunities
and maybe drawing out the game.
And I think this is kind of like a key moment, right?
You've got the Klinks.
Everyone in Na'Vi is really clumped up.
They're trying to go on the primal.
And I think the main problem here is J'Kiru, XNova,
free casting all his spells in this fight.
Klinks, you can't even see him on the screen,
free casting his spells the entire fight.
This is the type of teamfight construct from Na'Vi.
You are offering up XG.
Hey, you know what?
Please try and win an engagement,
because this is the type of thing
that you cannot do with Na'Vi.
You need to always respect the Klinks,
stop the J'Kiru,
get past the frontline of the tiny in the primal.
They didn't do it a couple of times,
And that's why the game got difficult.
Like what I can see from both OG and Navi now,
the thing I like a lot is that they have good lanes,
they play aggressive, and they keep going on this concept.
And it looks better than the sit back,
wait for the right moment, whereas I will say the one thing
that Navi should take away from this game,
apart from the mid game and high ground stuff,
the fact that Ami had only one death in this game,
and I think it occurred at the very, very tail end,
while you have map control the entire game,
is a testament that that is something you should look at.
I think Klinkz needs to be able to receive some deaths when you have a 10k lead, 20k lead, map control and a gem for the entirety of the game.
Yeah, and completely irrelevant stat.
Zyantz finished the game with the rapier on the lager.
So is that the first ever lager rapier?
Sounds fake again.
Did he buy it?
No, of course he stole it from the clan.
It's whatever. Probably the first rapier in the card game.
Statistically he had it in the inventory, so maybe it was the first one to finish, but not a real one because he didn't buy it.
I guess we might not see the rapier lager, it sounds garbage.
Magic Rapier with Agni and Sheeva's BKB, Refresher.
Sure, if you got the money.
If you got 80,000 net worth, let's go ship it.
You know who does have money?
Tundra?
No, Falcons. They're fucking rich.
Next series, Falcons vs Tundra.
My bags match up between the two rosters.
And yeah, Tundra, everything on the line for them.
If they lose, it then creates a new startle chaos of,
they might not even get top two,
because they'll drop blow points of the teams like OG,
maybe Naveed you to then just winning the series.
So yeah, for Falcons, they can drag Tundra
into a really awkward position.
Tundra have to win this series to get top two.
Of course, they can finish with eight and three,
lock in that first place.
If they go for seven and four,
I promise you, it gets really, really messy.
So if you're Tundra right now,
entering the single game,
simply put, win the game, ignore everything else.
Yeah, you absolutely have got to win.
And I mean, it's in everyone's best interest.
You know that Tundra at last are really good.
Take them out.
out of this like skip the next phase and this phase and go there but the thing
is with this team they're very good at specific heroes I have a graphic that I
want to show because you know these guys they're not the most versatile in like
what they do but the stuff they do they're insanely good at it because when
you look at like the top two picks of all of their core players they're
repeaters you know the BGM Invoker five times in like what nine or ten
games that's like in nearly every second game 33 on his brew and it's
bad pure on his Slark and his SF so you kind of know what's coming but
the thing is that like the top level of Dota when you play it nicely and you feel it and
you're in the zone, you can just show your hand because you executed so well, you're
the ones that do it first, you understand how to execute it and that's what this team
does best.
I mean I want to agree with you coming into this morning, I would have instantly hyped
you up, fully agreed.
But today has been the day with that graphic, it slowly falls apart a bit right.
Tundra Luster OG playing the brewmaster, Tundra the master team through it, playing
the brewmaster and the invoker.
So it's not as if it's been a flawless group stage where the top heroes that you've seen,
the Slark also on pure lost to Navi as well.
So a lot of the big comforts, they've had moments of being dominant, but there's also
stats on weight.
They can be beaten.
So it's not as if, yeah, there's a little bit of cracks forming for Tundra.
It's why they're in this like awkward potential tiebreaker situation.
But again, if they win it, they're safe.
It's so, so simple.
Yeah, it's honestly just, it's understandable.
You know, when you know what they're going to pick, you can prepare for it.
They are the best at it, but like we're saying, they're showing some weaknesses.
And that's important.
Well, Falcon's looked pretty weak as well.
So it brought the battle of the week two teams vying for the top spot of Tung-
Ah, who cares?
Let's see what happens in this upcoming draft!
Another day, another Huskar ban, Razor ban, an interesting enough tundra, they actually
ban out the Mal'Reen Sniper from the mid lane.
I like this hero and I did even like when Falken's picked it the other day.
I just feel like Mal'Reen had a big off game and this has happened to them at least
in this tournament.
I feel like they're very streaky players. They're so good in their top form that you can tell when even the slightest thing is off.
Like when Amar dies randomly on the map somewhere, all Marine has like overly many deaths on some of his heroes.
So I still understand and like that Tundra respect their core heroes.
I think other teams in this position have been up to ban the Viper.
So is this Tundra trying to offer up the Hero to Falcons? Are they taking it themselves? They take it themselves.
So this is at least something that I know about BZM plays this, but Soda is 33, it's like he's always been very good, there was like this meta where you just keep stacking mangoes, you go with your magic wand into the offlane.
I don't think much of that has changed, so you could still take this hero into the offlane if you did want to.
So I want to see where Falcons take this, because Sniper would have been one of their nicer answers to the hero.
We have seen this draft pattern occur at the very start of the tour with Falcons lost to Game of Legion, they responded with the Beastmaster.
But they're not gonna do it this time around, they do go for the Lina.
And that is going down the theme of Tundra's band, right?
Tundra bans the high-range sniper that can play into the Viper.
Then you go, hmm, also have a high-range mid-Lina.
That is, you know, Lina.
You can, of course, just chill on your high ground, shove the wave.
I am fully on board with this.
Malrin Lina, he's already played it before.
I have seen it played in pubs.
I'm pretty sure he's level 30 on this hero as well.
And like you're saying, the high-range physical guy,
you need to make sure if you're Falcons, you have to protect the Fire Lady.
You know, take out heroes that are able to jump you, that get on top of you easily, you know, whether it's centaurs or clockworks.
Like these heroes should not be in the pool.
And at the same time, you need to protect Lina.
Half-year-olds that go and look for our Mars yourself, protect her.
I mean, this is where Falcons, a lot of their side lane calls, enable this type of gameplay, right?
It's the Mars in the off lane, it's the Earth of the Abandon in the safe lane.
They naturally like to investigate the fight, then Lina can just play behind that.
And the last time that we saw Maureen play, he was going for all the right-click items, like Mjolnir, BKB, Satanic, standing his ground, really just being an absolute artillery, so I fully agree with your point, they just need to round out the entire draft with kind of Maureen becoming kind of the true carry of the team.
I mean, it is definitely like one of their strengths. They're all very versatile on their course.
And I mean, Magic Lena, it's overall kind of cap, especially into the Viper.
So I do want to see where Falcons take this, like upcoming.
I would assume that they're just going to open up with one of the supports, maybe even like snaking.
Yeah, they did run the Crystal Maiden before in this draft.
It's the only team that you'll ever talk about when I hear it.
Like for Tontra, I'm looking towards, you know, the position for Tiny,
get a hero that can just jump in, sacrifice himself to reposition the lane and open up the fight that way.
You then keep the draft alive by Viper maybe going to more roles than just going to mid.
No, absolutely. I would like the Tiny a lot. I think the 13th CM would really suss me out.
I think that's like, you need to be like the best CM player in the world to pick it
like double blind or maybe even some of, like you see him 13, I think you're asking to get
Tiny toughed on the upcoming Sword on Thunder and they're just going to slaughter you on
So what would you 13 pick here?
Like a Tusk, a Ringmaster, like have a bit of more save in play?
Yeah probably one of those like maybe just like slightly less volatile
or the ones where you feel like that crit can take it like into the offlane too
so either of the ones you mentioned I think they're kind of like they're pretty good.
You know it's like Falcons themselves.
I understand that they like this Lina into Viper
but I don't know how that surely they have theorized you know this opening
and where this goes but you can tell from the reserve time
that maybe this is not something that has happened like really that many times
times. So the potential break down the line. I mean it is, it's also here that Tundra have
played quite a few times. I think in this tournament, Ari has looked quite good on this one.
And they do take away the Marci. Of course, Ari playing the 4 position Marci, he is playing
pick me up. So he's dragging heroes around defensively, aggressively. That would be a
little bit of a good response into a Shaman. Just comes in jumping on top of him, saving
whoever's getting shackled. Even Lina, like once that LSA goes down on a hero,
probably gonna die within like a three four second window so just dragging and
displacing them is gonna be helpful but Thunder as expected to go for the
tiniest mention tiny airlines now you get the plus one which is probably just
white monstero guys literally the golden can play like whatever you need him
to play but he'll you know settle for like the most generic plus five we have
at the moment solid laner good follow-up damage the scary thing with
like to cure to shaman is if shaman is locked into playing the lane you
You can't just get bullied. I mean, Charmin tries to pull waves.
Jukyro follows you, you can't pull waves.
So there's kind of this requirement that a Mars hero is able to
kind of just give purpose to Charmin.
Otherwise, Crick could potentially get lost on the map.
Something I could see here, because I don't know how willing BZM is to...
I mean, I'm sure you can play Viper into Lina,
but if you're far, I feel like you could go with a big FU,
put up your middle finger, and go for like a Weaver plus one save thing
to like give Viper two heart lanes potentially.
And I think that Weaver plus one could maybe be that way.
I like this also.
I mean, Amar obviously can play this hero.
I think Bru is quite and good in this meta as well.
He's received plenty of buffs lately.
And it's just another way where you can easily ignore the Viper,
lift her up, get a permasand with your Earth Panna.
So you're kind of chilling with this.
More Bru Master.
It doesn't really come to mind as a hero that he actively plays.
I'm checking now.
He played it two months ago.
Again, he did win when 11-0-11 on the hero.
That's quite good.
And I will say for the ones that aren't the gigabroom master players,
then taking away the fourth spirit, that's a buff too.
That's a buff for sure.
Because before that, he played it in 2024 where he...
It didn't look so hot.
He was just losing games.
So, yeah, not the biggest theory for him again.
2024 to now, only a couple games to hand.
So we'll see what he can do then.
They do run back the lago towards it.
And now I'm going to be... I think Snake has been playing 5 Charmin, at least I've seen him play.
He has, because for now what I've seen is that he's mainly been crit playing the Largo, they did show Leto as yesterday.
Yeah.
I mean, let's see with Tundra, because they've got some choices to make.
I think when it comes to the carry, Sven is something I would like, even though I feel like Pure hasn't been playing that hero all that much.
And I feel like the bigger decision they have to decide here is, where does the Viper go?
Are you putting a straight mid into this, Lina?
Are you going to try to show where it goes, put it offline, pick a new mid?
I mean, I do think it makes sense because with what we've talked about from Falcons, you know that Lina is
the majority of the carry, at least like for now, you're an answer to the brew and a secondary jump.
She has to die.
And Tundra, when you have Viper J'Keru, who kind of want to spit at you from a distance,
if Tindra is by himself, your draft will get very lost very quickly.
Especially with brew cutting through, Lager saving heroes.
So yeah, that carry had to be that explosive.
You found him, I can help kill you, so yeah, Sven makes perfect sense.
And then for Falcons, there is this element of greed that I'm partially worried about, right?
We, you know, Brewmaster, he does need to farm one item into Aghanins.
This is not some like orchid rush game that, you know, we've seen from 33 on Tundra and
Prima's games where you can be crazy. This is more of a traditional looking build from him,
so that's like, what, six, seven thousand gold needed in Brew. Same thing for Lina.
Yeah, I'm just trying to think like where they want to go with the like, I feel like 33 wouldn't mind taking the Viper into the offline and just being like, you know, your aura bot.
Doesn't mid just become a farm battle, like Lina pushes wave, Viper pushes wave with the toxin. Lina might like click you a couple times, if you max for a second you shove it, then you hit the jungle camps.
Yeah, like I think so. So maybe it's just kind of like up to them to decide which hero can we take that helps our draft the most like
Can we find the jumper or like the team fight from mid or from the offline like what makes it easier because if you go Viper tiny offline
I think that's also fine. You can chill there, but if you put the Viper mid
I think if you can find like the correct guy to lane with are top with the tiny it's like a similar story
So it's a bit of a tradeoff
I think the potential
Guy for Offlane would become Titan to them, just for another blob.
Like to try and kill Tide, Lina has to do so much through that.
You also buy pipe, you stand your ground.
Then Sven eventually would utilize the tankiness of Tide to find the Lina.
You'll use one spell, BOOM! Then you get killed.
I think there is an argument for a hero like that, especially with like the Ursa Band coming through from Tundra.
I definitely do think that that makes sense.
They will take out the Ursa and the Cleansmen, also just high physical damage guys.
I mean, if they were to look at a mid, I think, I don't know if there's anything super crazy
other than your generic mids that are gonna do okay in the lane and then they give you
some jump.
There's nothing real, I don't think there are heroes that do both, which makes mid
lina like quite strong.
There's very few mid heroes that will jump you later and beat you in the lane.
And for Falcons, we're looking at a skiddy hero in the last phase.
Again, it just needs to be a hero that can get through that potential, like one,
back to Tidehunter, that potential is going to be coming. Again you have a ban if you
can't play into it, they do pan out the tide so that does simplify because again for them
it's like you've got the DK's, the Abaddon's, as soon as you see Viper go mid, it does
kind of give a bit more freedom to skidder. If you see the Viper in the offlane then
it does force him down a slightly different route of a hero pool. And they're going
to see the Timberclaw. So in fairness when you're trying to get those globs in
off-flame, center tied gone, timber kind of fills that next void so nothing too crazy for stylistically
all through the two bands the pick they all kind of merge into the same hero when you think about
like archetype of hero. Yeah no I do think that this checks out and 33 like if you go back like one
or two years I don't think timber is like the hero you really you know think about when his name
comes up but ever since a few months ago you know last blast he started with like the treads
timber he's very good on this guy he can build the aura set they want so it's pretty good
Is the guy that can go in front, use it also for damage.
So for Falcons...
I'm trying to think like generic carry would be Gyro.
Sven is a counter-gyro just from getting a top of you,
but if you do get the butterfly for Sven to go MKB,
and then if you're getting jumped, Lina's not getting jumped,
it's okay in lane.
You itemize the deal with the Scourge of Tundra naturally,
so I think Gyro's fine.
There's a Wind Ranger potentially.
Okay, they go Wind Ranger.
I do like this one because I think it's nice against at least the Viper and the Sven.
Yeah, I mean it hurts, it's been in Viper for the entire game right?
Yeah, I have seen this lane and I think eventually if you can actually cheat your way through the lane a little bit as the timber where you get an early 6, you can be annoying for the Windranger.
Of course it's one of the ton of specialties, you like get your way through the lane, you pull some waves, but there's a very fine line because this skidder gets like an early javelin, early meltstorm, he's a huge pain for 33 to play in 2.
But what happens if he doesn't cheat his way through the lane, what if he doesn't get these items?
Do you think there's damage problems?
Because for me, I'm seeing some damage problems from Falcons, right?
Like a Lago and a Shaman support, they're very much enabling supports.
One does control, one does amps, and then you have a Windrunner of Windranger,
sorry, who does need to farm multiple items.
Yeah.
A Brewmaster who needs to go vessel and an axe.
Like there is a window where Tundra could just keep punishing
and poking Falcons and overlocking that farm.
Yeah, I do feel like both of them have like a bit of innate
greediness and like their own way.
But I like what Falcons have at least.
like stylistically I think Tundra even though they're good when they get the
time I think they've looked the weakest today and yesterday when they're very
slow like when they have overly slow heroes and I think all their three
cores don't do that much I understand they have like a very you know a star
pairing of support players in Arjen Weidman who like kind of make up for it
but I like what Falcons have going for themselves here I think that also
Brew isn't as hard-cone of as Sven as he used to be with like the new
aggs you just get another level they are more tanky you can build
different items so I give a slight edge to the Hawkins here actually.
I'm really looking towards Tundra support here right, Jakiro tiny, if you can play on
the correct catapult wave with a Viper or a Timbersaw, be it through mid or off lane
wherever you want to be, you are going to take towns and threaten Falcons into teleporting
to defend it or try and trade yourself so snaking needs to try and find his level to mirror
that aggression when the Hiss tier was getting pressured, he has to have that
ult to pressure elsewhere because the early game the supports, it feels like Tundra
it's just more damage, more map play, more control from them.
To me, I'm also looking a lot like it's both the support, but also like this top lane
I do think it's like a very fine line not just for Skeeter
But also for sneaking like how much they can get going and one of your strengths is like connecting together having like this
Gate or moving together going to the first split
So honestly the early game is super important here for Falcons
I mean it's super important for Falcons in their early game to threaten Tundra
But for Tundra to win this game, it simply means that they are first place and
Automatically into the semi-finals
So let's see if Tundra can punch their ticket into the playoffs.
Ballering known to be a melee mid-hero specialist, but if there is one ranged hero
That he has his name attached to it is Lena
Is this like a mistrapped or something like Falcons with multiple ranged cores, I know right?
What what's happening?
Some weird time machine we've gone to the future
This looks bizarre to me I cannot picture this draft as a falcons draft that just can't sorry. That's how it is
maybe the one with it, but
it's not gonna be an honest one it's all it's also even weirder because they have
Largo so it feels like they they should want to do their strength melee boys but
yeah end up with I mean they drafted the Lena right away and then end up with a
win ranger because it looks to be just too good of a win ranger game solid
here you can get a fast meal you're up you really threatens everybody's
getting pretty long. Skeeter definitely would have had a kill if the shackle shot landed but they get
the kill regardless. Seems like the extra damage from the tangled fan set not required. Didn't want
to skill timber chain to try and escape there. Interesting but either way it is sneaking who
gets all that extra gold. The shaman with the boots first paying off. See let that be the
in the day just buy boots on position five no matter what your team says I
agree all these words booed blood grenade yeah that's it works for a lot of
grenade go for the first blood if you don't get it say that your pizza arrived
in DC that's classic NA tactic be interesting to see how well Maureen can
do with this Nina against the biker and old-school counterfeit but says a
new school viper. I think the F is not happy about the double melee off lane wave pulling.
Yeah, you're gonna get the wave back but it takes a crap and a harass and this will be a free farm
lane for Pyrr on the Sven. So you have to make up for it with the wind ranger lane. Make sure
Skeeter is also getting free farm which he is so far. Double melee off lane for both teams.
got a struggle in the early game. They finally did it. Finally got the creep way
back. It's parked in front of Amar's tower. The Wall Skater and Snaking
can maybe go at it. Against the double melee matchup they're matched up against,
so both safe lanes will have a big advantage in this regard.
He'd rather have the timber in this situation though.
I think it's just an 8-linger to get more, he doesn't mind not probably only gets extra
regen, a bit more self-sustaining.
He has better recovery through stacks than Brumaster.
Yeah, 100%.
You can also leave him alone a bit easier, like he can always get a little bit more on
his own if you want to go stack or just roam the tiny to mid.
Or is leaving this brewmaster alone top, it does not feel nearly as good.
I don't think Largo is a successful roamer, he's not as good a stacker.
The brew is also a lot more subtle just getting run down in this lane.
So there's a bit of a disparity there if Tundra want to try and gank this Lina, which is absolutely
a possibility because Maureen will always get shipped a bit in this lane.
You can just like solo even solo smoke this tiny round in mid and toss him into the Viper,
easy kill.
Two damage on a Maura.
Nothing to worry about though.
is going to be going for the early earned vessel build up for the brewmaster in this one
yeah this doesn't strike me as a vessel maybe two other ranged carries
if you don't might as here then it's just too greedy who's going to go in in front line
somebody has to tank spells in a scheme it's going to have to be a mar or crit is the lago
But Largo is probably not too tanky in this game.
The whirling shock, the whirling, the spin hits, the Viper goo, pretty rough Largo game
to be honest.
Yeah, they do have a fair amount of burst damage.
It's funny, Amar, when we had him on the podcast, he talked about this matchup specifically.
how the Falcons has always struggled against Pure.
No matter which team Pure is on last season,
you know, obviously that was Betboom
and Falcons struggled against Betboom
for most of the regular season.
Now it's Tundra and Falcons have had a hard time
against this new Tundra.
Something about the way Pure plays Dota, man.
It just messes with Falcons.
Nice shackle shot lands on a 33.
Not gonna get a kill out of this, but a bit of damage.
I mean, I'll tell you what it is, I know.
a lot of people are like,
You know, I'm not a good
guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm
okay. Dude's mentally unstable.
You know, like Falcons kid on
they don't do well against.
Pure chaos. Like I mean,
unstable in a good way. No,
like, uh, the breaker. You
know, like you have unstable
in a good way. It's a common
phrase. Yeah, you know what
I'm talking about. There's
a certain Terry tree. You
the grand final and just dismantle them. It's the same thing. Like these carries that just don't
play by the rules. These bad boys, you know what I'm saying? Falcons can't handle because it defies
logic and they're a very logical team. They want a very orchestrated, straightforward, conceptual game
and then this guy just comes in, screams on the comms and like dives in 1v5 and your plan
goes out the window, you know? That's nice. That is true. Bari tries to sneak behind Maulene,
but a defensive mid ward. We'll protect him for now. Nice looking for that tall
gate ward on it. It's a nice game to look for even if you don't get it because
again the timbers fine alone. You're not gonna impact bottom too much. You're
gonna drag supports towards mid and generally what you want with Viper
anyway. Like Viper wants to play the lane straight up 1v1 but then at some
point you do want to snowball through this hero. Make sure the enemy mid cannot
even walk up. At least provide that to Rhett. You don't want to sit here
leech the vipers xp but just provide that to our tranquil boot flipper gets back to full HP
time for the power room stupid disassemble tech one day this will be gone you don't have to look at
it anymore it's 33 now he's just deemed he's like guys this tech is actually broken i'm gonna need
all of you guys to and now adopt this tech usually how it goes
they don't let the catapult die. There's a lot of tower pressure no one wants to
respond to this with the tiny toss threat. There is that toss back but it is on
largo it's definitely gonna die for this one we'll see if Maureen can get a
return kill though he's in a little bit low feed him a lotus just in case
And now throws his full arsenal to kill Whitemon, but it gives BZM a chance to go back in after Maureen.
Maureen doing what damage he can. He knows he's going to take out for the poison attack, so tries to kill Ari.
Fails there, Tundra. They get wins across the board in this mid lane pressure matchup.
Halkins were loathed to go into the Viper, and you could see exactly why.
They're going to lose the wisdom shrine too. Sure. Just walked into it.
He just wants past a mar who's low and doesn't have his level six may actually still die
We'll be TV coming in for the diaper. I'm ours gonna die. That's such a screw you TV. So yeah, I really is
He's on the high five. This is a disaster
And this is why you go to the viper because if you drag the enemy team into fighting the viper almost nothing beats him
And that's a trick. He's like sniper. It's just too gimmicky of a hero
surprise falcons got baited into that like they really wanted to kill that
catapult defend the tower which they accomplished but they pay a very steep
price they lose three heroes they lose their brew they lose their wisdom
shrine
tranquil boots tech too powerful that's what I'm learning now funny part is is
that half the time this tranquil boot tech it's not even like they're building
boots a Baron which for me would be the reason why tranquil boots should come back in a big way
maybe i'll get this game is going to drill they get the quick kill on the center bottom with
the shackle and tangle into old so skier at least finding something here we'll have a fast meal
or fast meal stream at least can maybe make some rotation mid and deal with this one
I could have even get off a Laguna Blade or anything.
This is not the position you want to be in, Alina.
I do not think this hero is the strongest it's been in a long time and I think this
hero from behind is...
It feels so low damage, man.
Flat nukes are just... they're bad.
You don't want flat nukes as a hero in Dota.
Why would you draft Lena nowadays anyway?
Is it still about the AGS build?
You can kinda go some hybrid build on this hero now,
but it is still mainly about eventually
getting flame cloak up and dealing the big Laguna damage.
It's just the build up to that is mega slow
because what is your transition item?
That's the part that I don't think anybody really knows.
Miss Shackleshop 33 is still gonna be shackled
hit by the ice path, Phil.
I'm on the damage, he's out of there.
Missed opportunity.
Now, it was Maureen rotating down there.
I mean, Maureen's thinking about just going
first item BKB.
I feel like that proves my point.
Like this guy doesn't even know what the transition item
is if he's just thinking first item BKB
because that build up is terrible.
It's incredibly expensive.
Toby gameplay
What the hell that means but sure got him
Leave it to a smart have some cryptic mind games
No, I'm surprised he's all chatting now. I thought it would have been when BZM killed him earlier since he loves
Tipping and all chatting BZM the most
That's a nice rotation. I mean Skeeter salvaging this game along very good winter intergame
It's showing it's worth here as the vipers, you know, getting out maneuvered a little bit.
So happens with these turret mids.
You don't want to play into them, but if you play away from them, they really struggle
to match movement around the map.
They're not rotate up here, but this is a brew with ult.
I don't think you can burst in here.
It seems like they're just trying to get him to use the primal split or something,
but failing in that.
thing to remember here about the scheme is BZM's had a fantastic start but this in theory is not a
good Viper here. Like Falcons really did commit a lot of picks to making his life miserable.
Both Windranger and Lina are traditional counters. You outrange out DPS and at some point you have
the Windrunner. The Brewmaster is another great Viper answer. I hear with built in evasion
even if he puts a lot of stacks on you and tries to kill you slowly you just ult and
you can toss him, ignore him for the fight. So I do think Falcons have very good answers to the
Viper, even if he's had a great start. It's not the biggest concern here for them.
Well we see kind of what kind of moon Maureen's in. Immersa showed up to the mid lane, just
instantly Laguna bladed him, which is kind of viable just because of the fast it gives you
the maxed out fiery soul, which then allows you to farm the jungle camps faster, but
But that spells Trash anyway, so just throw it out whenever you can.
He's gonna be operating without a power room the way this game is going.
The middle tower being taken and Tundra constantly rotating back and forth, whether it's supports or cores,
into the middle part of the map.
Get yet another power room, this one's gonna be Shield Room, Snake King,
gonna be slowed down by the Avalanche, Skeeter.
Skeeter looking for the angle of a shackle shot lands on the 33
They get behind the tower here
Tundra looks like they still want to go for a dive
Those Falcons want to fight underneath this tower
Malik slung down with the frog stomp
How tough for Tundra to find kills. None of these heroes really go down easily
that's the lane stage
I might have to settle for just kind of stacking, playing the farm game, taking some objectives.
Trying to get a faster, tiny blink.
Like, that's their big, direct-on fighting leaner, win ranger in this game.
I wouldn't mind R.E. just sitting bottom, barring it up, honestly.
I don't think he needs to run around in this game.
I don't think you're gonna find much running around.
And he went the boots of Barry. There you go, Austin.
I was inspired by the boots of bearing when xxs was rocking the off-lane bat right
when straights trangle boots into the drums in the boots of bearing yeah he lost every
one of those games but it looked really good that is not true he did not lose all those
games a primal split is going to be decimated here as pure shows up with the god strength
the downside of playing brew against them and to be able to rank those to work on the
final splits and craters also get that. That's a quality tip right there. That's how you
do it. While you're smacking him down, you're like nice old noob. Go back to playing one
of your cheese heroes.
They're gonna take yet another wisdom shrine
Falkins sneaking in still not level six man. Bye
There's guys no game feel critties level four
This is a disaster. How do you play Dota?
I don't know if he can kill the wave with level 2 frog stomp.
This is not high tier Largo song singing.
This is truck stomp karaoke Largo.
Truck stomp karaoke.
It's not good dude.
They'll catch up eventually, I'm sure. They'll figure it out, you know?
Will he?
No, probably not.
The only hero act they've done right now for Falcas is this Windranger.
Skeeter can keep finding some kills a little bit.
Malorin's also a pretty high level.
Level 11.
and he's gonna get a kill on RE here and to get more snake king thought about going for the shackles on 33
realize that hero is maybe perhaps a bit too much for them to handle oh yes server horde now
what he opts to do is it might just try and drop it on this viper bottom
so it'd be another massive kill these enemies just sitting here
got him on the shackle shot, focus fire, I mean that is the one thing they are not lacking
in single target damage though and you already addressed how this is not the best vibing
game.
That's a big kill, you don't need too many of those to turn this game, it almost feels
like Balcon's in the last minute or two like took control of this game because it's
Thunder just can't hide kill open, they're still waiting for this tiny blink, you
What is this plate?
Snakey's reaching for kills.
33 trying to get Ari out of the Serpent Ward.
Thanks being not fast enough, Ari goes down.
That was a middle finger ward drop right there.
the
room after a goal and after pure year of HP
does a quick 180 as the presence of the ZM
see actually now he's gonna get a storm and out of here
They got the kills on the bottom lane, now they're taking over the top lane, Falcons have almost made this net worth. Back to Eve.
That's how it goes, man. You can't maintain control of where and how the fights are happening with these mid-tier heroes. That really doesn't account for much.
So you have to go back in the jungle, farm it up. Hope that your Sven can outpace his Winter Ranger right now.
Well, he is ahead, but not by much, only 500 gold.
Alchins are covered this pretty nicely, Selena's in line position now, she's going BKB Shadowblade.
The Panda has been... well, striped.
But he does not care.
And he's going back for the Midas.
He just walks it off with a bit of a hangover.
They're gonna go on him again here.
Nice path, nope.
Oh, he's in attack trying to slow him down.
White Mon... still no ice path.
As he was out of range.
Good thing they gave up on that though, because they're still heroes around.
Skeeter's gonna go for the Huns on BZN.
Ice path, it lands on Skeeter.
Big hit.
trying to do what James can to BGM focusing him down he almost gets up the high
number doesn't matter here's here on the other side the focus bar just keeps on
hitting BGM BGM is going to die Peter now with one
ah got caught by another ice bath the windrun they wear us out and pure will
finish him off what's the tips in this game he killed you dude
I'm pretty sure that is a good tip a 1 for 3 exchange no that's an average tip
It's like acceptable, but it's
We should have took the bar there that would have been the good thing
Maureen pops out full combo on the Sven gone to a bit below half spooked him
dead
I mean if he lands another LSA dragon slave could actually get the kill but
Hard to catch the Sven as fast he moves. I
I still have this ward here.
I do.
He's snaking.
He's going to get Hex, Auri, Ward, and Pure.
Probably should just run for it.
It's a similar situation.
You're not going to get Auri out of that Serpent Ward trap.
Yeah, he saw the ward at the last second.
It's a very awkward spot to go and kill it, but nothing to do about it.
Meanwhile, Primal Split, nice boulder toss there, stop at the Timber Chain away,
Timber Chain up in a second here pull back with the catchy leg now. They've got the tornado last second
He's gonna come back in and he changed his table
Well, that was that was cool
Great timing here on all the disables that'll met the brew his mightest
33 thinking he's gonna get out of there. Hell no
This team has a lot of disabled
At some point Tundra wants some BKBs, but you're not to come out later load of sorts also quite good
a lot to a lot to reflect. Yeah, that's what 33 is going to opt for. He does not like buying
early VQs, he's only buying VQs at all, generally. Can't blame him. You know, that is kind
of funny considering he wanted to play with Nightfall. That is still the biggest mystery
I've ever seen
To me those two players are complete polar opposites each other on so many levels
He was enamored with nightfall
He's the person care nightfalls a bad player look like I did not see any
One minute to our mentor they're gonna cancel that TP they want to make a smoke play through the gate
did he have an idea of that game play?
I think he might have.
He is playing his little tune to get on out of there.
Gang heading into the mid lane.
If Pure shows on another wave,
you might just back right up into them here.
Point, point, hex.
LSA, Laguna, play, drop everything they have
for a fast kill on Pure.
Big pickup.
You know, honestly, it was a very slow start
for snaking, but he's kind of owning the skimmer.
He has a blink now.
He's found some really good pick offs with these ward drops
in a game where, remember, he was level five at 15 minutes
basically, and he didn't get a single wisdom shrine.
He's a shadow shaman.
That's a really tough position in this game.
He has found some good openings,
making some good space, getting some wards out.
Showing up here, he can get some deal.
What do you want to do?
Ownage game from the king.
Just when you thought he was completely washed and needed to retire, he has himself a game
like this.
That's who you were thinking of.
He is the oldest active player in Dodder, right?
Yeah, sounds about right.
I think he was the oldest player at TI, but he won that, so maybe he should put
more older people in your team.
So you're talking about younger here.
I'm ready.
Put me in coach.
At the Spritely young age of 35,
I'm ready to start my professional playing career.
Somewhere, Papa fear just sat up in his recliner.
Well, you have the two top net worth on your two ranged carries, so I guess Balkans got to where they wanted it wasn't pretty, but
They got there in the end and it's gonna put a lot of pressure on this diaper pick
It means that if you're thunder you got to start thinking about jumping the right heroes with the
tiny in the spend
She's gonna get on top of these ranged damage dealers early
He's likely to be the one getting jumped on once the silver edge is done for Maureen
BKB silver edge. I mean you could just full send it every single time on the
Viper. Oh yeah. It's a juicy target for him.
Suspicious pause. Back at loss.
I've actually thought he said bracket loss like some sort of punch
Well Falcons have already received their bracket loss, I believe is true pretty much near impossible
I assume that even if
They were to go six and five
5.
They already have OG liquid.
So yeah, the only thing is they could possibly end up in the last chance if they go 5 and
6.
I guess this is the only thing that Falcons is trying to stave off here.
They end up at the bottom 4, then you have to play and hit the extra little bit of
the last chance playoffs in order to get into the play-in stage, in order to get
into the play-off stage.
in other words don't lose. Yeah.
Maureen. Wow, who here?
He almost stumbled right into them, but if they didn't have any sentries, which I guess they did.
They had to have a sentry on that high ground. So if he walked up there, he was 100% dead.
Instead, timing works out to his favor as he catches Tiny coming down the low ground.
Quick smoke play too. Sven does fish BKB right at this moment.
Yeah, BKB for him. Silver edge done from Maureen.
Viper has that extra bit with a Vanguard. Starting off with a Primal Split trying to slow down the spend while Skeeter focuses on 33 with beautiful Shackleshot. Looks like they've got him well in hand.
Tundra seemingly can't do anything. Pure has to use his BKB to run away because of the Primal Split. It was being too much of a pain.
What a strange game for them.
I thought when they got Tiny Blink they could have made some moves or
Try to start things on their own term. They're still trying to get to like this crimson on the viper, which
extremely good crimson game
It's the one-ringed Lena. That's been super played here
How could you just lose Roche for the fight on their own outposts?
He's haven't really done anything. I'm just chilling.
Also by the time he gets this Crimson Guard is it actually gonna be effective, right? Because
It's good against all these small attacks, but you've got full-out meal near from the wind ranger
So that part of the damage not being mitigated by Crimson Garden Maureen also does so much magic damage
the single target focus Laguna played that
You know, maybe the Crimson Garden stops some damage, but doesn't actually stop the hero from dying whatever Falcons focus
Still gonna be a considerable item for Falcons to get through
It's affecting this is kind of going down over time
You want it as fast as possible here
That's also an item if you'd gotten up you could have just done roast yourself with this been the confidence of that aura
You're missing out on some key timings here if you're done through not really falling behind
Network wise as his team never will but
Again, I won't get worried for the vapor against the matchups
I'm a little worried for
Maybe this is then getting kind of in the fight if you can't lock on the targets early
during BKV duration.
Sure.
I mean that is even like itemize to hit the wind ranger.
That is the itemize to get on top of Zalina.
Got to go MKV at some point I think and just like jump below up Skeeter.
That's kind of your best way to try and play this matchup.
You can go to Silver Edge route yourself.
That one can be a little tough to land.
Or you can just not care about the evasion.
It's crimson done.
It's under one of fight.
I think he was born in 1995, so he was 30 at TI.
Insania was 31.
So you're the horse?
Oh, it wasn't.
That was 1990.
Because I am a horse.
I'll be right eventually.
Whatever, I still think Staking is lower.
He's older in spirit, maybe.
He's older in mind, body, and soul, so that's what counts.
Insanity, he has the youth that is granted to you from lots of success and money.
Staking has planned a game.
What's he thinking is very successful.
What do you mean in a for a decade? Oh, that's the outweighs
You know he needs like a point to caract that misery
Of course don't forget how much the American diet really ages you that's true
All those burgers and coax
I
Mean it's a yeah, he's he's probably eating like the
Comparatively he's 20 years younger eating. I don't know what sweetie, you know like nuts and berries in the woods
It's like the leagues ahead and don't bring the head up a little fish
Yeah pickle fish like this not even comparable to some saturated fat overload
Oh my god, it's guys like 15 years younger. It's not even close
So get the hell out of here
You're a year. He was born that counts for nothing
My man staking he wanna he want a second guy. He effectively like 70 years old compared to all the other competitors. Think about that
Yeah
Dundra have not gotten a kill for 10 minutes by the way, we're gonna go do you just make it solo plays out here?
They don't care
Solo play with two other people
Well done. Yeah, he's a nowhere tongue jar. I mean he used to barry with wards. I think three times
No, no, he has he's shut this tight out. Usually it's the tiny hunting the shop
This game it is the shaman hunting the tiny the roles of nature have been reversed
And now a quick smoke they have brewled
They have ages for 30 seconds
Tundra actually gonna take this fight take it as the agent expires maybe
All right, they're very close to Daedalus on Sven, that's why I question it. He's
250 off it's such a big item for a pure I
I don't think he wants to join anything before that's done.
Especially given how important that burst damage is to kill the leaner or the win ranger
before they get off any of their spells or kill the brewmaster before prime will split.
It's kind of wild that tundra are a headed network.
I don't think they've done anything.
Yeah, they uh...
Again, last time they killed something was like 18 minutes.
Been a good long while, a whole lot of nothing but hitting creeps.
Please, somebody do something. Man, the games today have been really strange, I must say.
I also think this game, it's like a long game, I don't remember the last 20 minute game
where someone just got stomped and ended, you know?
Yeah, even the games that are supposed to be 20 minutes down somehow
Stretch out a bit longer
People just can't snowballs much
Here you're getting a tower backdoor protection you bud
I would welcome that.
Instead they trade tier 2s, full teams back out after taking the tier 2s.
Every, uh, you mind hitting it with a reconnect for me?
Man turned into a robot.
14-12, push out from Tundra, dead even on net worth.
This stalemate can be broken if one of these teams just chooses to go do something.
A set of hitting creeps, and it's Tundra we're gonna try.
They're gonna run the crit on the high ground.
Jump in with the tiny.
He's already dead look for the next one thirty three checking the high ground with the gem
Well, they did do something he did
Got one kill
It was a big one
I love it. I love it.
Longest bit in the end, big frog.
How freaking bold frog that he is.
He's that bold frog that's a frog right there.
I wish I could take a lot of weeds.
You're still lagging by the way.
Your internet sucks.
First it's the American diet, and it's the American internet.
slow as you down no matter where you're at
easy I'm working on a sheevah's
Satanic next four pure 33 building a sheevah's as well apparently they want multiple sheevah's
Okay, let's up next for Skeeter, Amar, Optimus Hand of Midas has progressed his items, Blink
Agz, Spirit Vessel, now he's going to work on an Eon Disk and a Refresher to make sure
you can always get off Rhymal Splits and multiple of them in fights.
we ever have a fight welcome back
no no you haven't yeah just a little bit of all the Falcons this time they're
gonna be their aggressors this time they're the ones pushing into the
triangle this time they're the ones we're gonna find the opening it's on a
BGM drop the wards on them do not actually get him inside the trap and
either way with the zagging himself there he's gonna be able to link away
Now going after 33's timbersaw.
Here comes the primal splint hit from here.
He couldn't finish off the pandas though.
And now he's got strength.
BKB has been kinda wasted here.
BKB runs out.
He's immediately stunned up.
Ahri nice tossback and opening onto the Shattershot.
What a tackle shot though.
He gets a grab on Ahri
and connects with two people behind him.
What a monster hit.
What a beast dude.
Absolutely salvaging that fight.
Yeah, that was not a clear victory for Falcons until Skeeter hits that Shackle Shot.
That's Timbersaw's super tanky. This is just not the guy you want to go on first with the Crimson Pop.
Off the Viper. I guess the Viper also isn't the best target to go on first.
going first if he gets crimson off though I will say like going on the
viker means you might not let him do that because you can just chain stun him
down so that still seems preferable to me than this timber but they put everything
in him and he's just chill like second that crimson goes off it's chill but this
is the big problem is this fen cannot hit the win ranger now he needs the
evasion pierce this game and he doesn't get it you're always gonna get
This Shackle is just straight nasty though, that's why you take this fast it's so much damage, so much control. Skeeter owning this game.
As a result of that, uh, v3, better control the map, better control for taking Roshan, Skeeter, with an Aegis, and Daedalus coming down the pipeline here pretty quick.
Quick.
Tundra have problems putting damage out there,
but it's taking Tex the leaner right away,
Tex you late trying to pull him out.
Storm Hammer followed up and the BKB keeps Maureen alive
for now, BZM still chasing though.
So I'm gonna down with the poison attacks, Maureen.
Too much moving speed, thanks to the fiery soul.
Well Skeeter just runs down here, man.
Focus fire.
Sven can do nothing about that one.
They're gonna fight it out without the Sven though.
Still trying with Skeeter,
no longer having the win run.
He's probably gonna die here, but it's still just the Aegis.
They're expecting so much to try and finish him off.
And by the time they do, he's just gonna come back.
And Tundra gotta get out of here.
Ari on the run, toss up in the air.
On the 33s, Timberslaw, he's gonna be set up for Shackle.
Shackle, throw down now, and it latches.
Another focus fire, 33.
Can he get up to the high ground somehow?
Cuts through the tree, gets the Timber Chain up.
And Skitter just follows him in.
An easy four staff, take his Courier Tomb.
That's gonna be the gem drop.
people dead on tundra with a gem given away falcons fully ahead of the game
this is just 1v9 I only the damages skier doing everything here and this
Sven is impotent he cannot hit anybody can't latch on to any targets the
kite from falcons has been perfect everybody so fast with some lago
buffs the wing run the lean is super high MS yeah you hit the shaman twice
but then his passive procs you can't finish him there's just no good way
for pure to hit people this game this pick did not work out at all
Tungent not snowball this game enough to where they could just aggressively go into Falcons double hurricane pike in the slide up
There's a brutal. I just just so much distraught
Really successful trap here the Falcons that I think a lot of people would say is unconventional for them, but
They're looking pretty good off. I
Mean it says a lot when they were
down the way they were early on and how easy it seemed for them to get back into
the game. Oh yeah. I thought it would be way more difficult with how low level their
supports were. I thought Tundra were gonna make more plays but Tundra were pretty
sleepy this game and then Falcons woke up at some point halfway through.
I'll use 25 soon for Maureen. Oh, yeah, that's nice. Yori has Daolus too.
Serrated Shiv. Yeah, I did it. I did it. I have so much damage.
It's gonna have to be some insanely perfect jump stun connection for Pure.
Yeah, it feels like they've never had a jump from Tundra where the Span actually gets
picked off on another start.
This may not be any different as Amar blinks right into them ruining their positioning,
popping the primal splits, and H3 for Falcons to run down heroes.
First they're going to kill the Viper, and now they're going to focus on 33 who the
Ketchy Lick pulls him back from his timber chain.
Two cores dead, looking for a third Amar almost catching this fend with a cyclone.
Instead going for Ari, instead going for Waiman.
Okay, got Waiman.
So they'll get an additional kill out of this, unless Ari wants to brave,
trying to go for a toss back.
And here's gonna pop his ultimate here.
Hoping an opportunity will present itself as they go into the high ground.
And the flyback comes out from 33.
Amar into trouble.
Refresh, can he get the primal split?
He will not cut down by 33.
Amar unable to get it off.
Shackle shot doesn't latch on to anything either.
I'm really not going to chase the 33 flyback.
All he gets to the brew, they have another hole,
but the biggest kill there was another career.
They're really beating out some of his random careers,
setting their items back.
It's a big gold extraction here for Falcons.
And these heroes just do not look tanky at all.
Level 25 win ranger, plus Lincoln.
It's a great ward sentry.
Got the full bag of a storm hammer, Maureen,
LSA does what damage you can,
but ultimately he is caught here.
The rest of the BKB, they'll run down crit as well.
First win for Tundra in quite some time.
And that is all white mon with the ward.
The only ward sentry on the map, in that exact place, one of the few he could get to, it catches
some greed from falcons trying to farm out some extra camps and they get maximum punish
on there.
Now what a find, what a catch.
No roast to claim or anything here, but this might get your send to MKB and that could
change the game a lot because that means you can now jump and try and burst this
Swin Ranger. Also gets you through the Brewmasteration, which if you go for the
Tossback stun play on Amar, that's a lot more viable than I do.
We're going to go get your Tormentor.
And the Shard goes to Art.
Whitemon, Treming of, and Aggs. I believe we have BKB. Yeah, BKB done for 33.
And DKB is going to be the next item for BZM though, he is still a good 1200 gold away
from that.
Any DKBs badly, just to help mitigate some of the burst, magic damage coming out from
this, you know, Windranger dual core, I don't really think there's anything else you
can buy to help your survivability here. Maybe a winmaker on somebody, but no no
extra ores are gonna help you. So you just gotta tank up or jump
falcons first, which we haven't really seen this game, but it's still possible.
A on disc on brew makes that a little more difficult, but you can still find the
So, Lena, Windranger is technically doable, but with Lincoln's on Skeeter and going to
Dags, he will very quickly be a tough target to find, you know?
No, Martin's definitely created the most issues for Tundra when it comes to that initiation,
just because he is just so quick on jumping into Tundra first, and as soon as he does
that creates a bunch of chaos and falcons are able to play off of that chaos that they
can a lot better than tundra camps.
The Sven does have MPV in 25 now.
I wonder if he can just kill the Brulings.
He lands some big crits.
Like is that worth going for him?
The amp damage, yes.
I think with the amp damage, or without the amp damage, I don't think he actually
does the damage faster.
I think he'd have to crit multiple times.
a very risky gamble. The smoke successfully dodged by Falcons. Damage will take out here.
They just want Nexrosh. They just want to set up for Nexrosh, control the area with vision. They
have the gems. They have a bunch of A on discs. It's very hard to jump any other heroes.
Outposts could give you buybacks as well.
What is the buyback situation?
It is 4 out of 5 for Falcons and Tundra still have 3 minutes on the clock for that 33 buyback.
I think they'd rather just fight and they're smoked up right now.
You want to fight but you don't want to leave the Roche.
It is an awkward situation, they went into the pit right before it spawns.
Oh no.
Oh, they back out there like they give up on it and they say, okay, we're going to have
to play for it being top.
When there was, there was certainly enough time for them to do that rush right then and
there.
It looks like they might get it for free the way that Tundra is backed up to base
anyway.
Did you really have a choice?
I don't think Tundra was expecting to be able to contest this rush.
But they do actually have a chance.
Which kind of puts them in an awkward spot of like,
okay, well, I guess we're supposed to contest it now,
but you just left the area where you could have held
to take that fight.
I had to push up bottom, push in mid.
They've got this one word to play around,
but as long as Falcons do not push forward,
there's no reason for them to do so here,
unless they see an opening.
And that's gonna be pure hack stuff.
Cook it off the Shacklefall, up at the do-have, the Focus Fire, pure.
Can he stay alive against this Wind Ranger if he's being tied around too heavily?
He kills the Berlin, gets some life steal off of it, but it does not work.
In stopping the Wind Ranger, buyback immediately from pure Skeeter.
He needs to make his way out of here, Wind Run, up in two seconds, one second.
He starts making his way down the river, trying to get out.
33.
They gotta get something out of this, it's gonna be Cray.
Oh, get the Largo.
Not a whole lot to write home about though.
Your carry has bought back.
They pretty much have to go for Roshan now.
If they get Rosh, this is not the worst outcome for them.
It's pretty hard to stop the Swinner Ranger just killing somebody.
Pure obelisk.
Something else to...
Not the obelisk on him.
It's Hossback.
Yes, but we have to level 20.
Maureen, we're out of position.
No possibility here with the guys past.
Try to finish off a little bit more damage.
Maureen! He gets a heal from something here!
He just needs a little bit more!
Viper's striking is gonna fall.
He can buy back though, and this is gonna be dangerous.
They want a tackle, that lands under two support Skeeter.
He's ripping into Ari, he's trying to detection though.
Where's the detection? He's got none!
His linkage gets broken. Maureen rejoining on the second life here.
Full combo, onto 33, 33.
Gone, tieback for him.
Rest of Tundra trying to back away.
Turn around with a macro fire.
And, snaking, trying to hold these heroes in place.
Gonna die to the Viper here, force after round.
to survive for now and it's the Viper to fall instead,
kited around by Falcons with the extra lives.
Tundra just simply cannot win against that long of a team fight
thanks to the Vibex and Pure not respecting Amar,
almost getting caught there.
That focus by our talent advancing the duration.
My skier is just tearing the part of these fights.
I have no answer for this Winter Ranger pick.
Unless the Sven gets to like, like, hit him two or three times, I don't think he can die.
Maybe he can give the Aegis to Valdina.
Snake King! Oh! Snake King's so fast, man! He's so fast!
What a monster.
At the end of the game right here, Tundra can't bail out Pure. Pure doesn't get off his BKB, but can't hit anything.
He's just gonna die. Five acts being used.
But the Sven is gone for two minutes and you said it you don't think the win ranger can die
And lest the Sven is a part of the equation here. Well, he's now gone for two minutes
He's out. This was snaking MVP performance. I mean Skeeter is probably MVP numbers wise, but
In the heart of everybody watching home, this was snaking scene like he did so much work from such a bad position
Level 5 Shaman at 15 minutes, it cannot be understated how much work he has done in this game from that spot. Just ridiculous.
And he will cap it off with a final catch on this Sven and make life easy for his team in the final stages here.
and we'll go down jump in from 33 now they're only limited before and 33 can hold this for
a little while longer at least get their jikiro back out of play unfortunately has to use
his bkb and timber chain back out this will give falcons the opportunity to hit the
buildings. Shaman's back.
He's the chief, he's good for now.
David James Noble with the final shots were crits.
As the win ranger gets just enough damage and the
focus fire now on BGM, he just can't stop it.
And the Skeeter win ranger, it's way too good
against this lineup from Tundra.
They seemingly have zero answers.
Skeeter another one on another focus fire.
The Crimson Guard does nothing to stop Skeeter
as he just continues to focus them down one by one.
Lose to my brew!
Says Amar, this is even my best hero.
It's a gold tier brewmaster.
Two Falcons find the win anyway.
What a beatdown of the end.
Winranger performance is absolutely top-notch.
15-15, effectively 15-1 and 15,
because he died in fountain after a rampage.
Skeeter set in the bar on what this hero can do. That was a perfect lineup for a
perfect draft. Really nice execution from Falcons. A little sleepy at the start but
once they turn on the heat it feels like Thunder can do nothing. It strategically
we're stuck. All right well we still have one more game to go so let's head
back to the panel. What a series of course between these two teams. We had
Falcons they were playing for pretty much just not being in the bottom
If you were to lose this game, it would have been contention of being down there, maybe having to play
elimination games tomorrow and then for Tundra you win it, you're first in the group, you lose it, now
they're knocked into this all-composition of actually being below teams like OG, Na'Vi on Newstartle and
probably not even gonna be top two at all. So Tundra after being a semi-finalist in pretty much every single slam. Now
Now, thank you very much. We broke the script. It's funny to say that 7 and 4 scoreline for
them is the worst group scoring they've had in like 5 or 6 tournaments in a row. But
yeah, like teams have finally and slowly figured it out. I will say that Falcons made, they
played really, really well in this game because they lost a 7 minute wisdom shrine.
They lost a 40 minute wisdom shrine and Tanra did a lot of good things in like the early
to mid game, but I gotta say they had a lot of good performances from Falcons.
I think like really like sticking it into this game and understanding who to focus and how to take these fights
This was their best game of the tournament
I mean there was a point in which Falcons they really needed individual players to step up at different moments of the game
That's the main thing right Maury in the mid game
He found these little moments these pick offs of course snakings throughout the kind of mid to late game was always a kind of
Thorn in the side of pundra, but yeah between Maury and helping get these pick offs again a Mars laning phase early game
He was not good. He was not good. He was popping ults getting one smack by a Sven
He then died at a twinge like a ma did not have a good early game
But then there was like this kind of just double artillery right between the wind ranger and the leaner like you walk up
If you miss initiate on tundra
They are gonna double right click you down and that is where of course the shaman and the brumos
I was able to create these little moments so that both skinner and maureen just get kind of chunking through tundra
I do think there's like a bit of I don't know like a stigma that I don't really agree with that Falcons can like only play like
one style or they need like two tanky dudes that like go in because they showed us here in this game
it's not really the case like Skeeter could fully like make up for other people not having a good early game
and at the same like at the same time tundra i don't think they had a good early game but i want to show
here i think Skeeter he gets a lot of flak but this is one of the best carry games that i've seen from him
like in the early game he goes through the gate with snaking initial kill even later they're down
in the game but he's initiating like all of these very crucial pickups when it came to like
coming back into the game, making sure that he's there, and this was a crazy fight.
He lands like some three-man shackle, like after disengaging first, then coming back in.
So honestly, like Falco's like this stuff, they were doing not just him and then later you have snaking, phenomenal.
Alright, I gotta say, like in this 34-minute mark though, we didn't see it at the start of the clip though.
That is Tundra trying to like start the fight, then they're running away.
And as they run away, then you're getting chased down by the wind ranger, by the leaner,
and it feels really uncomfortable.
And then like 36 and the same thing again.
So, for pure, there were some moments where it could have been a clean initiation, it could have been a bit better.
We didn't really speak much about 33, he farmed like the entire early game, died once, kept farming.
And there was just a major disjoint between Tundra.
Like normally you see at least an overlap where some cores have a moment together,
where it's like pure, activating 33 or BZM being like having moments of brains.
And the boots are bearing Viper, roleplaying Navi.Niku from the mid-lane,
just kind of existing on this Viper building.
Yeah, Tundra just getting outplayed strategically by Falcons.
No, and I think this is like a good game to show, you know, like Skeeter, he's not,
he isn't always the hard carry, but he can be when you need him to be.
He will step up for the younger guys when they're having like a harder game
because this game, he took it in his hand as did snaking.
And like you said already, I think this is one of the worst games I've seen from 33.
I don't think he was anywhere to be found like his.
His timber left a lot to be desired in this game, like that's for sure.
Yeah, I mean, now times are on a three loss streak.
Like, the fact is we're talking about a single win being what's...
Prevent, sorry, the lack of getting that single win
would have been first base in the group.
So they have three losses in a row
against OG Spirit or Falcons.
If they beat any of those teams, they're still in the semi-finals.
They're running the same script that was here all slam.
So something today, those three games,
something went wrong really, really,
like just had a rebattice between the prep or the something.
Yeah, because like, their supports are still owning
and like a lot of these fights,
White one even in the early game, even if he didn't have aggressive plays, he was always in the right moment to shut down the shackles, keep his cores alive.
But at some point, it's too hard for your two supports to do everything.
You need the cores to come online, it didn't really happen.
I think they're starting to be very slow in some of their drafts.
When you have this Invoker Viper on a Viper with the Timber and no one's connecting, it's showing that there's a lot of weaknesses.
Yeah, and I just love the fact that coming down to the final game, we still have meaning to it, right?
because of course with the standings you can see that we have again coming into it what year is it
OG, Liquid and Navi all sitting at a 7-4 again. Yeah it's a banger.
Due to Neustaddle again I'm looking at it here Tundra just don't have I believe enough points
to even contest because OG, Navi then at like 36, Liquid 35, Tundra 34 so Tundra again they're
kind of out of the question right so there is a matter of this upcoming series depending
on mouse or heroic it can either just be simply OG and Navi or it becomes a three-way
where head-to-head between the teams that we mentioned, OG Liquid Navi,
so yeah, Heroic Mouse down at the bottom half of the bracket,
still influencing the top half of the bracket.
All the bros are gonna be watching, like I've had these games before,
this is like, because usually, like you care for like when some of the other teams play,
but this time you're actually hardcore cheering on, the team said,
you usually hate and you just wanna beat their ass.
Yeah, I believe it's like, if Mouse win, then it's just the honest
OG Navi go through.
Yeah, two people.
Yeah, two people, and then Navi beat OG, so Navi's first OG second,
Then it's the other way around, a heroic win, then it becomes the three teams all sharing the same 36 points in new startle.
And then it's like OG, Navi, Liquid, who beat who between the three and I've not looked that deep enough to truly know the answer.
There probably is an answer to it already, but yeah.
We'll give a new like an update after the game.
I'm not gonna bore you with like the whole thing, but basically, yeah, it's cool.
There's a lot on the line.
Yeah.
Put it like that.
One game.
Let's get into it.
because I've got some stuff for...
So like this game, you know, Miles and Heroic,
they've both been, I think, not really been doing too hot.
I think especially if I look at like Miles,
it's a team that I expect a lot more of,
especially when we look at like,
they're more like recent performances.
One of the player that I always look at also is Mid1.
We do have a graphic available for him
because I just wanna like compare if you look left,
this is him at the most recent event,
of course, at BlastLam at Chengdu,
where his KDA, all of his stats
are way, way better than if you compare him to this tournament.
And I've always seen Midlan ever since he came back
and had these great performances in this team
as like a star player for the team.
But right now, something is not working.
I haven't seen enough games to like really pinpoint,
but it's very evident.
I don't want to go for the easy answer,
but Celery did give an interview about Burnout,
the amount of games they played.
I remember at least in previous slams with Tomal,
they played the most games of any tier one team
because they had to go through open qualifiers
in their formation to get out to close, then they've got the invites, so at least they've
eased off a little bit in regards to certain tournaments because of the invites, but still
they've got to play qualifiers to others, but yeah, I feel like it's expected, a team
like this where they're so traditional, like you know what heroes they're going to play,
you know how they're going to do it, they're trying to beat you with the same kind of
concept, after two 300 games, at some point a team can go, ah, that's how you do it,
and kind of team who's every week playing a qualifier, playing some official, never
really taking a moment to breathe. Are they truly developing? So I feel like the drafts
that we see today in Slam, I'm still seeing the same patterns. Boom's being somewhat
sacrificial, he's being a bit more of a body in the off lanes. There's not any
finesse really coming from there. Mid one's still the guy that needs to break open the
early game. Chris has got a bit better at becoming a scaling carry, trying to take
over. I think specifically his shadow fiend has stepped up in that role, but
the archetype of mouse in the last three months, it's the same mouse just
Tweaking the odd hero, you know here and there yeah, I think you're right in the fact that like they're often also is like always the same right?
Yeah, Mitch will be on the melee guy with boom on the sacrificial melee guys
So it doesn't make for like the strongest lanes one of the cool things I have seen was I think crystallis
He busted out like a carry underlord. He's one of the only guys that does actually, you know bring that out
Oh, oh, we've got some real
That pulls my hold up a second. You know, he parked that first one. It looks like a fiddy to me. Okay
All right, I really want to do 180. I've I thought I've become a dart
180!
Yeah, that's a foot old.
180!
You could've been put more energy to it.
Hey, you're native. You live around the darts board every day.
I got the 180 inside of me.
Of course.
He's getting ready.
I kinda wanna play darts though.
There is a darts board actually in the studio by the way.
I'm better at ping pong.
You can beat my ass and darts, I'll beat your ass and ping pong.
Thanks for the invite.
Alright, cool.
So, who's your favourite coming into this?
We have got of course, Herok and Mouse.
I would lean slightly on Heroic. Honestly, I can't really tell because I think both teams are like a super big question mark.
You have no idea who shows up. Even if Heroic come up with some 20k lead, they're like the team that will find a way to screw it up majorly, throw 3-4 times in a row on the high ground.
But I have a little more faith in them, because to me when I look at mid one,
it makes it hard for me when I have to believe in one guy to carry everything.
And that's kind of how I see mouse.
I think this team, they fall apart quite quickly right now when mid one has a bad game.
Whereas if I look at heroic, I think they've played better individually,
but it's more like this team thing.
And I have seen small improvement that I can believe in and give them the slight edge.
And those are trying to double check what's actually happening.
Of course with Yamach on screen but
I think that's sunglasses brother he is
He's locked in like to be fair. There has been a growing like thing about brightness and all that stuff
So maybe he's moving down the arc, but how about lower your brightness on the monitor?
Hmm, we do know players aren't very good with tech any webcams difficulties
Maybe he doesn't figure out how to move his cam. So that's good. That is impressive
Again, we've been harping on about the top side of the record for so long. I just wanted to double check
Oh, that's a slight, that's outside, is it not?
Yeah.
I feel like it's just outside.
I call cat.
He's going to have to practice on that one.
Yeah, we will.
So I need to just double check this, just because, again,
we're killing a little bit of time just for the memes.
What are we double checking?
I'm double checking what happens at the bottom side
of the bracket, right?
Like mouse beating heroic, then it
goes game of legion spirit mouse, Reconyx.
And then if I throw in heroic winning just for the memes,
Game of Legion spirit mouse. Okay. Yeah, sure nothing happens. Cool great
I was maybe thinking there could be like a world where maybe like game of Legion because of all the things change
But no, it's just I mean they're giga influencing the top. Yeah
They are hardcore influencing the top course
Let us see what heroic and mouse can draft in this game to see the top two teams
the game. We have gone to great
length talking about the you
know the ramifications of this
game, but let's not think about
other teams right now. Let's
think about heroic and mouse.
Both of these teams, of course,
will entering the last chance
entering these best of three
way through to see if they can get to of course the playoffs in the upcoming three days. So again
another buster one gives them more information, more kind of just just strategies, answers to
questions they might have to become better teamed in the hope to to get themselves to motor.
I mean they did first ban AA which is not normal really unless you're looking for a huskar
yourself which they've played on plus five so I highly doubt that that's why they banned it
But either way it gives them a ban from her or at least I really know what we do, huh?
Let's leave him alone. All right, I mean, I'm just saying that was that was not it
I mean the other read like what it could be you want to pick the frog?
I don't think the steamers played the frog salary has like one random hero per like four months. All right
After that, he kind of sticks to his lane. So he had his fun
Yeah, not again. He's now a full month cool down
Maybe they make he's like immortal faith is banning a to get the husk out of the way
So Saturday doesn't have any dumb idea suggesting it
sure yeah fine you can say you don't like it I don't like you but I like you
but I don't like that hmm that's not me take it away well this has been picked up
heroic going with an early core pick as always they seem to be loving their big
off lane into a big carry pick they don't really care about kind of dangling
a hero to get better to countered they lean more and support matchups and
other shenanigans to fight them. Heroic also do have a six enemy at any game they go into,
which is the high ground. The syphery slope seems to be there kind of...
Breaking point, I would say. Absolutely. I mean, the mouse open up with the tiny, of course,
it can be flexed. Most likely it will just be Yamage playing it, so Heroic will just,
you know, take that information and kind of feel like that Ursa will have a good lane, which,
Generally speaking is kind of true. Of course, you still can craft a couple of off lanes that
can be annoying for the Ursa down the line. And we have seen a lot of like close your face with
Ursa, open the next phase with one of the cores that Ursa semi-protects, you know, a lot of the
off-lane beefy boys. And Heroic are one of the teams traditionally, they really don't care
about jamming in their cores like straight away.
anybody home no you're left at me yeah you upset me at the start you've left the building
no I guess just tell us new start off stuff man it gets to be a head off of a new start
off yeah when you let all the numbers and placements take over I'm still just thinking
about like you know what happens if this happens what happens what if that game changed
They're just like flicking through all these best ones like look at that game look at this game get it
Doesn't really matter. This is the final one of the three day
Yeah, be a one blood bath that's for sure like three days this is like
Probably the most teams will ever play I think something you could compare to maybe is like what like TI group stage
You have like two giga groups and you start playing each other like all the time
Do you have any fun facts?
Shoot it. Whilst you were asking if I was here, I crouched down and also pressed my tool back at the same time.
So I potentially also wasn't here whilst I was talking to you.
Yeah, you inspired your work.
Yeah, I just, I hope just pieced out in this job.
Honestly, that's fine. I think, I think the final game of the group stage,
you can have some creative freedoms on how you want to deliver the analysis.
Oh, I think so. You've got that all the time, especially on a toolman panel.
That is correct.
I have warm production at some point. I would just break as an analyst.
I'm kind of cracking. At least you gave them like an early fair warning.
I've, yeah, I'm sort of some point, but just cut me.
They'll leave me, you know, live.
You have the Ursa wallop, honestly, we've seen it many times. It's a very stable lane.
I think Warlock can sometimes be annoyed by like some melee dudes that give you teamfight
that maybe do some creep skipping. Ursa kind of covers those. I think heroic just have like
like a solid setup to the draft.
Again Warlock to me, I don't mind seeing it.
I just wanna have other ways to find kill opportunities
in the first six minutes.
So you're not locked into this weird one grimoire Warlock.
Cause also Warlock, it is gonna be all about battle fury
will inevitably hit.
11 to 13 minutes depending on the lane setups,
he's gonna get this item.
But Warlock will really handicap himself
if there's no other opportunities for him to explore
in the first six minutes.
So again, don't mind the hero,
mind the combination, it's great for us but start drafting towards getting that
golem online. I fully agree the only problem I see from like a player like a
stylistic point is that the only core to me doesn't seem like a standout melee
guided you would maybe want to pair up with and like the support duo. Like
he's a lot of like the sky rev coddles and I that's not what I want to see
with a warlock. The only middle ground I could maybe argue is the willow
even though your ranged carries go right around and body things as if you
You are kind of like a soothing melee to some degree, playing on realm.
Yeah.
But no, yeah, if you see Warlock Coddle then, yeah, there is going to be potentially bigger problems.
I think the only fix to that is if they then go back for an Ember, which has already been banned out from mouth, so yeah, the Coddle, yeah, huh.
You know, I told you Celery's on 4-month Coddle, I'm sorry for Pogna.
Yeah, you're right, he's back to basic, so you know, Pogna, the Celery Enge, Celery Pogna, Celery Chen.
They're one of the only teams that play this hero.
I do think he's quite good as a 5, of course he has received a couple of nerfs, but I think the Crep overall they buffed his heal over a lot of patches, like from his ult, you know, like his defensive capabilities are quite strong and I like him against Ursa, so I'm pretty happy to see it.
It just enables that domino effect of the early game, right, where Tiny is the playmaker, Pugna slots in behind, you put down that never ward, you hug it, you then win the fight, then move towards the objective of never blast it.
It's a very simple, clean early game, but when you do break from lanes, if you have some type of advantage,
it will just keep snowballing to more and more pressure.
And taking early tier ones, you could argue very important, not only for the map player smokes,
but freeing up the Tormentor, that Roshan, because they didn't have that free TP point.
You know, if you're stuck on the awkward side of the map and you don't have a tower,
you have to really start thinking, you know, a minute or two early to gather your resources to get there.
No, for sure. Like, I'm also... Like, because we saw this earlier, right?
like you had the Slardar into an Ursa game and I think we were wondering, debating a bit like PMA was
playing it, he really struggled in one of those lanes. I want to see if Maus, how they do in this
lane, is there ever like a lane swap also for them that they could consider? That's where the Warlock
hurts the Ursa, right? Warlock will set up the farm of Ursa, but not the kill potential of Ursa.
Yeah. The Slardar, you're just gonna chill. You can hit your creeps, you might even run down
and kill a Warlock with a tiny position 4, Avalanche tossing back to the Slardar. I
I think Waldo can feed in this lane, which then means Sona can truly kill the Arthur.
I mean, what I would really like here for Heroic, I mean, again, stylistically, I don't know if this is in Theolikor's pool,
but I would be looking at a Clockwork. I think it's quite good against these three heroes.
You were mentioning the Willow as the small in-between, because if he does favor the ranged heroes, of course that's something you can't go for.
Okay, so they will go for the Beast. I know that Whisper obviously is a very prominent Beast player, it's quite good against these heroes.
So you can't suffer against Parkner, at least a little bit in the lane. Parkner traditionally
one of the better heroes against Beast because of the high range and high move speed.
But this is where the early carry pick from Horric enables them. You find the Beastmaster
deflects between Tylong and Whisper, you then pick your funeral core position 4 here,
take it to the end of the draft, you see all 5 heroes on mouse, decide on what's happening.
Every just clean approach to the draft. Of course that's where on mouse they need
to try and find ways to punish this. Into the Beastmaster are they picking up
like the gyrocopter that clinks, forcing it towards the mid lane, are they doing these little shenanigans that can, you know, hurt the flexibility of the Beastmaster?
Yeah, I guess that's absolutely something that Teroy should be ready for. I mean, maybe they are, because like you said, the flexibility is there.
Um, I also do want to see like 4 miles. We've seen more games and this isn't fully about this draft itself, but I wonder if at some point you see more mids being picked on 18, as opposed to later.
This was a hero I did have in mind because I think Estee, he's very good against these heroes. Pogna the Crap is gone
Guardian Sprint is gone, but it makes your, like your support duo is, it's quite whack. I'm not gonna lie
Yeah, it's just a lot of
Wait for the calls to be happy. We're gonna make them happy in laning phase
That's at least one big green tick for them, right? Estee's gonna set up the lanes position
stack camps, Molok will set up the arser, Beast will go farm the stacks. That's your entry to the game, right?
But
It's the only entry to the game you have they're not running around killing anything
Mouse do go for the clings that mentioned so they are trying their best to force the Beastmaster away
The party doesn't think her out cares too much
Beast towards mid they see Slada if it is mid Slada Beast is happy now
You have last pick on whisper to to look at the clings and okay. What do we want to stop him from playing a game? I?
Do think you're right
I wonder if like the game that they had yesterday they did play the beast into the clings
Which was quite bad early on but they did get to recover like I want to see if that's like
Does that give you confidence to like run it back because you feel like you did it or do they understand that?
That was a game that they probably shouldn't have won and the correct idea is to just put the beast into the mid lane because you
Didn't fully dodge the matchup like you said because this is not fun. Pogna clings
With Beast SD. I don't want to touch the same
I'm just gonna go for like the unhinged prediction because the last game why not I
Kind of like night stalker for heroic
You see, ultimate vision for your heroes to play well, Warlock and Sd need really good defensive positioning the entire time.
Night vision is great, pugner, tiny, slaughter, they hate playing into the silence when they're on top of you.
It's an option, but again, a hero we don't really see. Maybe if the Vi was still on the roster, this would be picked up.
Again, not really a hero that you link to Whisper too much.
I'd definitely know that.
He can play it. I'll say it's a bit more of the spicier option.
Oh, it's very spicy. I'm not expecting it.
Yeah, like it definitely can work.
I think some of the heroes that can stand their ground with starter clings, it can maybe be both ways.
I guess the SF band, I think it's kind of good.
I guess that's something else that like Maus could have gone for and like also swap it around a bit.
I know that mid one is also, he's a psycho.
He's played against a Huskar a while ago. He played mid SD into it like a month ago.
I'm sure if this beast goes mid and they have the chance to put clings there,
mid one would actually just straight up take that matchup and then they could have put like the SF into the safe lane.
Like mid one is a super creative player.
When this is where like before in previous patches, he would have been going like give me the nature's profit,
let me punish the lack of moves the supports can make, keep TP'ing to these little engagements,
I'll go and fight the Beast Master, I'll go and fight the Earth, I'll take the tower, pay behind the pugner.
But again, that's like a slammer to a go, they would keep running it in the first phase.
But, they go for the try and test at Leshra, an area that he has played plenty of times throughout this group stage.
Yeah, I think it's really really strong like sure you know like the Beastmaster
I think you could both kind of farm in that lane and he has some summons that's annoying for you and
There's like the SD against the ledge to take away the the Crep but the pugna heal with like the avalanche behind him
And this is mid ones current best hero like by far also you have slaughter clings together
You have very like high threatening on Roche, which is also super good when you play against Ursa
They have a couple options here. You obviously could go for the Offlane, like some Underlord
I think that built some Auras.
Just a cheeky old Titan that they rounded out.
It's quite good for the lane. Glinks doesn't deal a lot of damage to Tide early on especially,
because you know you're playing SD in this lane, you don't want to play on too much
aggression so just giving your tights some levels and letting him get some you
know anchor higher levels and shell you stack up the triangle this is happy with
it tight is happy with it if you bait mouse into you I think that it will
also it's like a different way of enabling both warlock and sd to like
bait a fight on your side I kind of like this tight last big true off the
side I have the updated we're gonna I get I gotta give it to you right
We're gonna set the scene for this series. All right heroic mouse if mouse are to win this Navi will be first
OG will be second and
Okay, heroic going to the bottom four all damn so heroic will then have to play the elimination game straight away tomorrow
So heroic are actually playing for way more than I expected
It doesn't actually giga matter for that giga matters and then for heroic if they're to win out of nowhere
Liquid then takes first place in the group stage
Na'Vi take second, so announcement here, Na'Vi no matter what, are gonna be through to the semi-finals.
No one really expected that coming into this with the likes of Tundra, Falcons in the mix,
even Spirit potentially being informed based on the previous online event, but Na'Vi are through.
Liquid need Heroic to win.
Maus, they can just disrupt the entire bracket and really punish Heroic by beating them.
So again, this means so much. This is not just about the top two.
This is about Heroic's life in escaping the additional best of free, having that cushion of the upper bracket of the last chance.
Yeah, that actually matters way more. I'm certainly there wherewithal. I hope that they're, you know, lit up for this game.
I do think that Whisper with this last pick tied was put in a pretty damn good position. If they can hold the game stable, I think they're pretty chill.
chill. I'm just a little afraid that in like this minute 7 to 12 ish with like some early active
runes that mid one with the supports and like you know some gauge nanogans there's some stuff that
absolutely could go down and break this game open. The cool thing at least for Heroic is if the
game gets difficult they have multiple forms of frontline and ways to cushion that initiation
that skirmish that you see on mouse right when you have less racking clings and slardar right
they're looking for that pick to look for the next fight but you're running into a potentially
farm to Beastmaster, farm Tide and Ursa, they're hard to kill. Killing one guy is maybe possible,
killing two, three all farmed when you have Estee Wall behind, can become a problem. But
I think both teams should be happy with what they've got. They need to play well, they need to
understand how important this series is and hopefully it doesn't over, you know, overcome their
emotions. So yeah, heroic. Again, if they lose this series, they're in the bottom four,
liquid, they're hoping, you know, the results go their way. So top two on the line in this
this is the best of one.
What a crazy way to close out
this group stage. It all comes
down to this final game between
heroic and mouths to determine
neither one of these teams are
the game. They're going to
be even close to the top, but
they will determine who makes
it into the semifinals right
away based on the outcome here
is the panel. Uh talked about
if mouse when it's not being
OG if heroic when it's
liquid and not be so liquid
and OG fans are going to be
watching this game with
baited up breath. Avery
talking about the outcome of
the last two teams in the
last two teams in the last
is stuck in there no matter
what, but based on the strength
of these two teams and now the
drafts in front of you. Who's
favored. I'd say heroics
favored for sure. Based on
play. They did get their last
pick tied against the cling
starter, which we saw be
very successful for them
earlier with a rush Eva's
and he's not going to be
going to be very comfortable
with that went well. So you
got to give him a slight edge
not as convinced by the slash
pick and mouse has just been
pretty shaky. So it does all
come down to this. Can
heroic. Not throw a game.
That was the way in a good
question like they're coming
into this as the ninth seed.
But again, they have two
losses on their record
a lot of players that are
playing a much better team
than their ninth seed spot. I
don't know like you through
those games or a reason. All
I know is there's a lot of OG
fans watching this game right
now. There's a lot of liquid
fans watch this game right now.
If you're an OG fan, you're
just praying that mouse clutch
it up. If you're a liquid
fan, well. I'm sorry. You
know, that's a rough life.
You have to live with that
every day, but there's
and then Navi and O. G. Will
both have a score of 35. But
because Navi beat O. G. In the
head to head match up during
their group stage. Then Navi
takes it over O. G. Uh that
can bet that if that happens
there's going to be some
riots in the streets. No
matter what the noise
scores says no matter what
I think finally enough though it was liquid out of all those that beat all the other top teams
Like out of the top four, I think liquid beat all three of the other top four, you know
Yeah, which is why they'll end up with a higher score than everybody else a heroic wins
Yeah, because of that
But you could argue that they're maybe the most deserving of anybody because they beat tundra
They beat Navi and they beat Oji
I'm looking at the results right now, listen, how was I looking at them? I don't know. I
liquid lost to Tundra liquid lost to OG and I'm pretty sure I remember at least one of
those games. They beat not looking at them, dude. So what were you looking at? I did
they end up with such a good score out of liquid frauds that you're looking at.
How did they end up with such a good score?
I don't know, liquid frauds is usual.
That's what we've come to conclude here, ladies and gentlemen.
I think even Insani would agree with that
is he called himself a fraud for many years.
Everybody's a fraud.
Are her oaks frauds?
I don't know, these guys are pretty honest.
Looks like liquid beat a lot of the middle tier.
Like they beat Falcons, they beat Spirit,
they beat Extreme.
So a lot of the teams that fill up the middle of the group, they beat them.
So they're actual frauds.
That's what we're learning.
Yeah.
If you replace like if they beat mouse, but then lost to like
an extreme or a spirit, then they wouldn't be in this potential top two scenario.
But it's a fact that they lost a game to a team that is very bad.
So in that regard, like it's better to
to lose to the the bottom teams and beat the the higher tier teams with new shuttle. So it's
probably the most competitive group stage you've had in a long time though. Yeah, I think yeah,
picture. Competitive scene is in a good spot in terms of a lot of teams can compete and be each
other you know I don't think it's that obvious maybe less obvious than it's been in a long
time. Like if Falcons return to form maybe they'll crush people but they're kind of in
some weird form right now. Tundra is kind of dominant, but they also had some really lackluster games
like OG, Nabi on the rise, and even some of these lower tier teams like Heroic Mouses we have in
this game, you could see either of these teams make deep runs like they're not bad teams at all.
So it's just a matter of like who shows up who has the better strats, maybe who plays Largo the
best, maybe who doesn't play Largo at all, that hero has a terrible win rate right now.
I will also say, we have the hero that has arguably performed the worst of the entire tournament in this game. Do you know what it is, Lost?
Um...
Is that... Leshrac?
No.
Are you gonna tell me or am I gonna have to just keep guessing?
Oh, okay, I'll tell you. It is Beastmaster.
Okay.
Beastmaster is one in nine.
Oh, this hero ain't winning.
This hero is not getting over the finish line.
Like that. What happened?
The worst win rate with 10 plus games.
So heroic are trying to defy the odds right now.
And they might be the one win with it.
But I think they threw that Beastmaster game.
They were supposed to win.
So I don't even know.
They did.
They had that super fast.
And then they had another hero that just kind of exists and does damage. Oh, that's right
It was a bad and a bad and a Beastmaster abandoned super fast radiance and a super fast ads on Beastmaster
They should have just been able to roll up to any fight and automatically win
So this heroes got something wrong going on with them if you're one and nine, I think
So maybe it's good. They pivoted at the last moment and like picked this tide
And just said screw it, you know
I will say that I do not feel good about very many offlaners right now
Okay, that's fair. The the pool just feels kind of very limited and the heroes that actually do well
And some of that has got to be the fact that we're getting a little bit more sacrificial with our off-lane
You're gonna catch celery here heroic
See if they could get first blood for one of their cores or if it's just gonna end up going to KJ
that's what happens got him though it'll warlock rundown yeah is that worth it
though three bounty runes for the opposing team and your first blood went
on to your warlock like who cares no I mean the XP does count if you can get
level two and instantly go on someone with the extra level two then it adds
up but otherwise gold wise it's not worth it's worth a grimoire stacks it's
It's it's experiencing two different ways. It's true
Look at this lane swap. Oh wait, not something now is expected
But I can see it working out
You just heal this tide keep them in lane for the early levels and he gets cracking later
And then you can stack for him or you can go bottom and just try lane
Generally warlock doesn't play too well in the off-lane though
It's also if KJ is gonna be giving him any shadow words she is not done yet
gonna pull the wave
easy cam splot
that kills courier
i want to decryptify actually makes it kind of weird
still saying so it works out for heroic but
i think it really comes down to
how comfortable kj is
he couldn't do it back in time though, he has to walk it back to lane
he does not look too comfortable in this position, i think whisperer is a little confused right now
What happened to my range creep?
Yeah, they didn't even like do that the half lane pulls so the lane still gonna push in
Where we saw just from that previous game when you do this kind of pull if you end up in front of the tower
You need to try and do like half the pull
Where like half the creep wave runs forward down lane and half of it gets pulled
Still an okay spot. I mean
Honestly, he just heals whisper and gets a little too crack and he should be fine on this lane
just get some stacks of farm. Just a question about the world like those
after that. I'm kind of more curious what will happen with this mid lane over time
because a beast used to be pretty good against Lush and I think it's still a
fine matchup in the game to get farm but I do think Lush is just a better
hero right now and I think the lane is Lush favorite so maybe there's a
world that mid one can kind of help play this match up mid and snowball a
bit more. Now let this beast just farm and then go do a bunch of stacks and try and go
for free or something like that. Ring that elotus is coming up. See how these side lanes
handle this. Toss back. Ursa. Crush and put a bit of pressure on him. Boom and Yammich
with the wave pushing in have secured themselves the Lotus and it looks like
her oak is gonna be kicked out of the Lotus on the other side too so that is
gonna be a double side lane win for Mao. Pretty nice. I wonder who's gonna get
stack priority with this her oak lineup too. Does it have to go to tide here
since he's your last pick and he needs it or do you go to the beast which is
the traditional mid-east who needs the acceleration. As Celery the vegan
Deliver swift media justice
Celebrate the big game that's his title. What do you mean?
You think he's playing the skeleton because the skeleton has no
Maybe he's the most vegan hero and don't hear I thought you were gonna say he's cooking up some turtle soupers
You know something like that. No, it's hide hunters
Pugna is vegan, technically.
I bulked it in the river, not what you want to face.
KJ, he tries a little bit too hard to be disruptive here. He's gonna get some damage on mid one.
Maybe Tylo can actually get this kill. It's gonna be a close call. Very fire.
Still up on Tylo, so he's got the extra HP to work with.
He can run down mid one. Somehow that actually works great for Heroic.
Oh yeah, he takes that every time. So much soloxp for Taiwan. He's gonna be level 6 while the slush is gonna come back level 4
If you can get a cheeky roar kill on him somehow
That was a cute toss. Toss him away from Theolokor as much as possible get as much damage before the disruption comes in
Very good trades, even if they hadn't gotten a kill out of it just yet
KJ looking for the stacks while the beast is approaching six, so...
Mouse need to...
You need to keep their eye on this mid lane. You don't want to let mid one go down again somehow.
And again, you want to kind of be snowballing something, because you want to, in theory, get into Rhodes Triangle and either block stack with Zedgeruz or Contessa.
They're not fact is roar, slow them down with the boars, just a little bit of extra damage from KJ with this final round of axes.
Is this killing? It does.
Oh, man.
see that's like I think that is a kill that you should be you should be
communicating and that the tiny tp that happens it's mega late it's just he
canceled it so it's late and then he doesn't even commit it to save him it's
just super disconnected I think this that's representative of what we've been
seeing for miles which is it's just not crisp it's not flowing everything's
just a little off and you pay these big prices for it and we've seen them
some, uh, lose lanes and still come back with some of these early rotations outside of the
laning phase. They hit that like five man ball, surprised a lot of teams, but that part
specifically seems far less effective. Like, I feel like they're losing a little bit more
lanes, but then the point outside of the laning phase is also not going as well. Toss back
into die ball, Keenick, though. Helicorps gets off the disruption, body blast by
Yamich. Enough of the lightning storm to land, not enough to kill, not yet
way the final hits from Yamich will secure it. Now, we've been ethereal form,
I see Yamich a little bit of time, another round of axes up, two, one, Yamich, two far
away. Ball's got him off the fatal bonds! He tanked it! He did tank it!
Brother, please! I'm but a little tiny. I don't think he dies there unless
middle one tanks those axes too so it was the bulk of that bonds damage the damage
split from the creeps is very minimal is you know in tank and access to the face
says you will die for your sins you did not get me the rune and you shall be
sent to fountain middle one shows no mercy this is a man who played with
puppy for years you got her love that's true that's never far away he's
learned from that ruthless style another or dead again he might be a
Tylong can keep chasing him and hit another round of axes. No TP's coming in, it's coming in too late. The axe is gonna land tiny. Once again, damage too late.
The damage is gonna be fed to the loo, but maybe they're feeding each other to the wolves at this point in time.
The damage, unable to finish off Tylong. This final dream.
He warned him to throw a tree.
Missed the tree.
Missed the tree, man. Nothing's going on.
The boar's denied.
This is a disaster, midlaner. Like, absolute disaster.
I made all his payback for the Bonds kill.
I mean this Whisper's still getting abused.
Up top, Crisall is super bad up here.
He's having the game of his life on this clink.
54 and 20, a large number of denies.
Mid 1, he's gonna cut in from behind. This is just rude.
Whisper isn't even close to Earth 6.
Why there's like a bunch of couriers in here?
Okay, well, that's a lot of extra tingle because they're in a courier into tower kill in after tide hunter kills last hit to the clings
He is a yoke this type pick has not worked out with the warlock substitution a lot of the attention went into the beast
But we'll open up this ancient stack
Can anybody on mouse even to really steal it though? Not really
Yeah, they really don't have the line up for that.
Oh, Tylo.
Nice pick.
That's another one.
You know what's so sad about this Tides, about Whisper's situation is that he maxed out Kraken
Shell.
That's the worst, man.
When you max out Kraken Shell, when you get the third level in it, and you still
don't live throughout the laning phase, because now you don't even have a second
level of anchor smash to hit neutrals effectively, you know?
Everything you do from here on out is slow.
100% man, 100%.
I really gotta try and make a move on this Ursa.
I like the idea, I don't know if it's gonna connect though.
here with him behind the tower and chrysalis is just gonna if it's here one
heavy disease a line up that can take towers very quickly but not plus clings
easy tower pickiness it's good space for mid one to recover bit too much is a
very past recovery here also he's chilling in fact space for tide hunter
recover as well so all these heroes they got abused are getting a little breather
right now. Just the beast went into the jungle,
Rook abandoned this bottom lane fight and somebody still has to clear that
ancient stack. It's still sitting there, biggest objective on the map right now.
I think you give it to the beast. I mean I think if the tide was having as good
a game as we saw earlier he was like rushing Shibas and getting mega fat
that. You can give it to him, but with the game, how long it's
happened. Get this guy back said for 50 minutes, he's gonna get
monster. It's also about what item is whisper going right if he
was going an aura item. I'd be like, Okay, yeah, you want that
aura item at a certain time. He's going blade man. You know,
like, what is the extra farm really gonna do for him here? If
he's committing to a blade milk? I'm with you. Give it to
give it to Ty long. Just let him get his eggs and play
through him and let Whisper continue to try and recover while you make plays with Beastmaster.
I'm not sure if I like this blade mail, but he is against Lash, which gives it some guaranteed value,
so maybe it'll pay off here. Interesting smoke bringing this Beast Bottom up.
Very tough smoke to land just angles wise, and it's not a wisdom shrine timing. You're not
going through the triangle to scout ancients. Kind of a low value play. I think you'd get
him though. Disruption into roar. Golem, I'm gonna be used as well so they're definitely
gonna get him. This golem use also transition into hitting the tower which taking this tower
may set them up for the wisdom strong play a little bit later on. Sure.
But the ancients did go to the Tidehunter.
and what's for got his levels got maxed out anchor smash so he can actually do
this now
and he also got ship vast which is quite valuable he's back
his network is not that far off from the sardar who boomies rushing a blink
Blink Dagger, Blink Dagger Shard is his cute up items, mid one has his Blink Dagger and
of course he's got the maxed out Diabolokidix so they're placed in the mid here for Maus
but it's Heroic who is striking first disruption, Monarch Burge and see if they can run down
the damage, now they just deal with another ward which means the tower is still gonna
fall between the toss and yeah the nether blight instant smoke trying to get
mid one involved in this game find some isolated heroes in jungle easy pickings
for this edict love to find the beast before that axis finish but he's very
deep could directly connect here they're willing to commit the whole
runner, but that's a lot of time to commit.
Oh, he's very close to being spotted.
You see the ward.
At best, maybe they get a pick off on a support.
Yeah, get nothing, got scammed.
Oh, no, we don't want this game.
It's just, it's another burner.
KJ's like, he wants to kill this ward,
Talon gives him the vision, but now he's too far forward,
he's gonna get hit by that dive,
while he takes a crush to finish Maul.
Still though, this could be fine,
to correct the five, buying mid one some time here,
the Ravage does hit the pug,
now stop any heal and kill him all for that.
That was right on the edge,
but such a big deal that it catches that pug now.
Yeah.
And you can see how aggressive
House were playing around that ops like they did not want to let KJ get away with that d-word after that huge smoke committal
Running spending all that time and then you just gonna watch world I kill your word like now. That's unacceptable
But you pay too big of a price for it
So now the slush game gets even worse as the tide
fully recovered off of that
Jump crush initiation on whisper with no ravage
But he does have a team behind him with a golden beam drop to the fatal bonds on the two of them.
Chrysalis is definitely dead. Whisper is going to survive through this rather easily. What a vape from Moroid.
I mean is that even a vape? That's just a bad go. That's a blade mail pot. He's killing them off the blade mail.
Alone almost.
Those feel advised attempt to say the least.
And then one finally gets a kill without losing his life for it.
That's something.
But this is very shaky from Mal so far to me at least.
Did that golem spot any of that smoke?
No, it was a peeing immediately.
Golem has no eyes.
Well whisperer runs into it with a blade mail.
And down he goes.
How's Yuma's farm doing?
He's got his battle fury online.
We'll see if he can catch up to Chrysalis's clinks, who is a bit ahead of him right now.
Both of these heroes are great at being able to do Roshan early, so that'll be a big
point of contention in the next five minutes all my eyes are on thailong in
this game like this beast is in control but he's super far and he's gonna have a
blink-axe at 17 here level 13 getting the power runes if he makes a call to
roche you can rush he makes the call to go smoke gank you can do that but he
He is the powerhouse right now.
He's really strong.
It's so weird to see heroic playing on their tier 2s, you know?
Like, I get that he wants to blink dagger, but...
He's gonna smoke up with his ravage, ready to go.
If mouths run into them, mouths do love their fight, man, they're gonna jump right into this ravage!
It hits on two or three with the bigger thing!
Fatal bonds on all five. This fight was over from the jump.
I cannot believe they went for that.
They just walked into their outpost blind as five clunged against a warlock-tied Hunter V's master.
Yeah, like, I don't- You're just begging to find the Ursa farming solo, but every hero was off the map. You gotta remember, nobody was showing on waves.
You didn't have any vision scouting anyone, like that was a truly blind play. Just a pure gamble is what that play was. They gambled and they lost.
Kenny roger says you gotta know when to hold me on knowing to fold the Boston
mmm they definitely should have folded
oh and a roar instant job now boom is gonna help out chrysalis but he can't
stop him from dying once tylon gets off that roar the damage is gonna come
through no matter what you do
This is like the tie-long legacy game or something. Is that what we're watching right now?
It might be.
That's a term that needs to come to Dota by line. That's a great term.
What, legacy game?
Yeah, that's such a good term. You know what, it's a Dota term now.
This is the tie-long legacy game right here.
That kind of implies that this is the best game you're ever going to have.
Yeah.
The only part I don't like about it is somebody so early on into their career.
that's it ladies and gentlemen he's peaked but outside of that i think it applies he is having
himself a performance here 70680 cs i don't know i don't know how is it used in basketball but can
you say it's one of his legacy games no it's just like you have a legacy game where you don't
yeah but it's like a very understated player has an mvp quality performance you know
That's his legacy now. That's how good he could have been.
But the implication is he's not that level player.
It's a little insulting.
Well, if you're going to bring a term to Dota, I would be sure that I would be a little insulting.
Is Roshan time Tormentor time? Just objective to objective, heroic.
They take the Roshan, three minutes left on the Aegis, you know, I mean, mouths are not
going to contest you, not after what just happened in that last team fight.
So they're free to do whatever they want, and they're not actually going to stick around
for the Torment, or they're going to go through the gate early here, and it's a smoke play.
So all this detection that they have in board centuries, they're going to slip past
all of them here and catch Boombai Surprise, Roar to lead things off, Demonic Purge
If necessary, really isn't.
The...
I didn't get torn at the anyway, yeah, they kept the Ursa up top.
Very efficient.
That movement from the Roloc looking good right now.
Whisper's taking around a bit too long.
Yuma had the right idea. He took that tormentor immediately, TP mid, but whisper.
It's a little greedy. Things he can farm his way back does get punished by mouse for that one.
Still, the heroic up 6k, still some time to go on this Aegis, and they are working their way towards a double BKB timing.
Taillung is going to have his, maybe even before his Aegis expires, and Yuma is not going to be too far behind that timing either.
been looking for the wisdom trying to play
Kind of baby new mouth here
Successful baby and hit the toss trying to burst him down. They caught him. It's just a beautiful fatal bonds
And they lost the shrine
That was an absolute dog play
They did not play that or time that well at all
Who had the ages here and who doesn't does and does not have their
The ideal is so good, like, you know, let's bait the jump, we know there was some shrine, let's bait him under the tree, we'll get the counter play, and then there was just no counter play, you're so dying, you'll be shrine.
Jesus Christ, what is that? It doesn't matter man, Southern's sitting there lifeturing the full time with the mech going on, the dialogue just beatin' ass.
This man doesn't care, this is absolutely the latest game right here, like, he's just putting this on his back.
He says, I don't care how many plays we mess up for like what happens this game. I'm gonna carry this game
Now this time around
We can never mind the exact situation back to back test for Yuma and now if yours are dead
They're thinking about trying to fight this heroic squad pretty clumped up up here
to the top of the game.
Spotty Tylong Tylong bleeds
inspiring. Which we're here
outside. He's going to
damage it hits the slaughter
but Tylong, he just wants out
with his DKB. He's going to
teepee away. And Whisper will
be left behind. I mean,
disappointments are kind of
hanging around. But again,
show damage here. Yeah, you
just got to leave. I feel
like if the support's trying
to save this time under
they might just die
themselves. Yeah, yeah,
And more heroes are gonna die
Once the board maybe both as Boone's gonna continue to chase down Thailand does have his old backup though
But no we give he doesn't want to go in and feed that streak away
That ages expiring was
Really awkward for him didn't get the region out of it
That all started from Yuma getting picked off again. Yeah
bad death
Bang they're really bad death. He got he was like the fake Bay top that was a rough death
This game kind of crumbling for her. Oh, this is what we've seen the whole event like it looks like they're just gonna win it and then
Let's just go for all
So this perfect streak on the beast to his 10 and 0 right now. So the time does go down
This game's gonna swing very very rapidly and the scary thing is the mouse does do have like such great synergy
with the Sardar clinks that they can kind of burst you down no matter at what
point of the game we get to. Oh yeah, they have a lot of damage. A lot of really
fast damage they can come out to. He's going Nanta for the Dispel.
The other route would be like Shiva's though for the armor, but I guess the tide already has one, so you don't want double
she was. How's Drag this one back? For sure.
I gotta kill you again? No.
Blah, and she got off the enrage. So we should be good here, especially with the
Elucor behind him. I'm gonna try and actually get a kill off this one.
Monokurge and Tylong ready to jump in though he wanted to get the clink.
The clink is not showing, says okay I'll just take Celarate on him.
Streak continues hero 11 and 0.
Kind of highing him up up here but...
Gonna go after a full thing, not the whore like 2 on that Avalanche.
Still though Tylong is not easy to take down in.
He just, he can't be...
Mans up against Crystal is sure.
Let's get some kills on the supports, but now Huma
Going after the image almost got him one more swing would have done it, but
All the just a tad bit shy Thailand verse the world
That's what this game is man
It's actually while we're watching this hero own
And he has like one of the worst win rates of the event
It does not look like
Yeah, it didn't look bad the other time heroic picked it up either.
Maybe I just misread that stat too, do not like stuck in guessing myself.
No, I do remember Beastmaster on D.A.C.E. already.
Yeah, he was already having a bad run rate.
He was straight up not having a good time.
I'm going to try and get this Ravage out of Whisper, jump on him with the Crush Whisper,
He's not worried about it.
You want to find the clink or the lesh with the roar at this point?
Somebody...
I mean you can either find the pugnore or just rely on a ravage to kind of zone the
to suck save on the initiation.
If your mouse just gets some toss back here.
I smoke from Holorolic.
Maybe looking for the flank.
If this falls out a little bit more,
Whisper is gonna get Shiva's,
and that's a really big addition to Beastmaster.
And Puppets for Ag's damage a lot.
He will have a flight out here, but it has to fly all the way
See then get here in time
Still with the rest this month they're gonna make their move get some wards entering down hop inside the pit start going for it Roche on roar
mouse
Scrambling to put up a defense, but against the earth suds flicking likes just gonna go down too quickly here
Yammich no blink dagger. He can't blink inside the pit
So they are not gonna get there and Yammich
She's gonna get caught by the sheathes.
Toss back on the Whisperer.
Whisperer says, thank you, I'll ravage that.
Four heroes get ravaged.
The war hits on the Chrysalis.
The loader comes just to tad bit too late.
Good heals out from the pugna who self denies.
But unfortunately, the situation is still quite dire
for the dire.
Tylong doesn't even lose his Aegis, man.
Just too much damage.
Midwan, he'll chase in and get the little pick-off
thanks to the Ward Century
that they laid out in front of the pit.
And he will actually get that kill and get out
Boom's kind of looking around here. I'm not afraid to try and find something. There's a banner in the pit
Hurok did not take
Nobody likes Roche banner, so it will sit there and rot
Think Yamato regrets his decisions there
Maybe a little
It's kind of like the last guy you want to toss in I don't think that like that ravage was good
But it wasn't just
Fight over you know, but it does was fight over
If the ravage lets you hit roar on clinks before the start then the fight is done
You know that part of it was what killed them, but if they were able to kite it out it couldn't it could be great
I don't think Harok's gonna give you these preview pickups, so they aren't gonna go for
Ty Lung.
This is an interesting kill, because he had a shield root and Aegis.
They're gonna have to commit a lot here.
There's plenty of time for Harok to strike on the second life.
Ty Lung still has the roar to use.
Finally expends it on the Leshrac, so Harok don't actually get as much out of this
I think maybe they could have
There's gonna be a second part of this fight where a crystal that shows up title. I'm just BKB TPs out
You can't do it all on his own
The beast capabilities are a little limited here. Maybe with a refresher he has more staying power
But the minus armor of the physical burst is a big problem for him
This just feels like mouths are grinding out this win right now
They're just feeling a little bit better like this Ursa has not done much
It's tied was pretty far behind he's recovered a bit, but
Just overwhelming damage out from the clink sardar duo
It's kind of going unchecked right now, and they are building the defensive items against the thrower
It's gonna be Lotus Lincoln's build for the sardar
Just try and protect the squad
I don't know.
I feel like this piece, it feels like if this piece dies, man, the game's just gonna implode.
I don't know.
Yeah, even just like one Lotus or Bounceback.
Yep.
Does a lot to, you know, buy the Clanks sometime.
The Beastmaster stunned if the Pushman hits on other heroes.
I know he was on Lotus pull there. Somebody took some flowers.
He can do this.
How's it always a tiny shard?
You are my only one.
Once the punnest of them off of the storm enter, play the link in flow to sword, blocking
the demonic purge there, teleport away from celery, he gets out, boom and yamitch,
bolt the scape.
Jason?
Tylong just lingering bottom was hoping someone would show me that clink but
No cigar Christos. He was busy finishing that Daedalus looking for Lincoln's of his own. It is all about
the spell block and reflect
They're trying to deal with this beast
I mean they get through that but eventually Yuma becomes a threat
to this click right like it's like you was just gonna hundred is zero and but
you just have to deal with a lot of utility there's decrypt there's toss
there's four staffs it's a pugnit eel maybe the she was from whisper if that
hit the leshrac he could just ravage kill that teepee mid one would have
been would have been caught there in his site the vice would have been
delayed instead. Gets back to base, picks up a side which is going to be great for these
toss backs of Yamich. Disruption goes down from the helicor. At HP Whisper, gets off the
ravage roar, hits the clink as well.
Chrysalis is dead, trying to make a little two man play, but the heroic they're stacked
up here. Mid one tries to chase in after this, but this is gone terribly. He's going
to get golemed, slowed down, you must see if you can get a bash, body block, bash,
We'll ensure the kill on mid one now mouse
Just kind of a bad idea
Yeah
Now ill advise go don't have the numbers there don't have the big damage to follow up as the clink just gets
obliterated
Not really respecting this ravage in this game without bpbs
And now this beast has a full refresher
I feel like there was a period there where you maybe could have punished Tylong, but it's always kind of an absolute master.
There he is.
And two different toss backs on Ty.
That worked out.
She's felt like inherently very questionable.
Unless you have a clear game plan, like you're tossing the infestatic storm or something.
or something. Whatever the game plan was for Maus in these toss backs, it was certainly
not worth it all. Whisper hasn't even really come close to dying before he gets off the
rabbit. Boom, trying to slow down this push as best he can, but it will be Elena Barrick's
toss back on the average though. Got the tide. No rabbits this time, and tossing
him into all the skeletons from Chrysalis. So we're gonna get an effort kill on top
of that. Looks like the other core is also going to be caught as he tried to escape
So two kills for a mouse and they actually had the network lead off of them.
I still don't think their position is terrible.
Like I think you are supposed to look these talks toss backs you have condo on the
tiny so you can break the tide and toss it in but you have to like tree hit him
and toss him back to proc it can be a little yeah that sounds complicated or
you could toss him avalanche him and hit him with the tree while he's
ablash stuff yeah and then he gets done by something else by the way I think you
just keep looking for his tall specs you have hacks on the lush you have the
overwhelming physical burst people are gonna get melted he can't ravage you
every time you know right
probably when it's hopefully gets a refresher
The Silesia has second highest number. He's 8 deaths. It's kinda loud.
How did he manage that? You see, he's not even getting the last hit on the kills either.
Probably a hacker to be honest. Explains a lot.
There's a lot of hackers in Dota 2. If you ever, you know...
You ever read certain forms, you know, you ever listen to Avery when he's party killing?
There's an army there.
It's impossible.
He's got your hacking, man.
These guys are hacking.
You gotta save face somehow.
It's what those about.
Save as much face as possible by accusing your opponents of as much terrible things as possible.
The best defense is good offense and by that I mean slandering my opponent.
Stota 101 baby.
Almost 25 on these bees.
You have to imagine it takes the no-axe cooldown and just starts popping off.
Lincoln celery is gonna try and build one too if these supports actually start getting
the extra utility
That's gonna be a problem for a tylon
It's thinking about Nihilus
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no ladies gentlemen
It's time. Oh, come on all the times that I have suggested I listen to you and you're gonna back this one with a clean
Swardar on his tier. We go, baby
War out on Yamich Yamatry dead Chrysalis and boom
They're actually gonna try and jump here almost bursting down the other four
He's probably gonna die anyway or not. He actually still has coceptor
He's good trying to demonic purge midlock jumps in does finish off their shadow demon
He really gets a bit sublated golem gonna be dropped on him help in place for quite some time
Whisper holding on to the ravage. He doesn't need to use it just yet.
We'll pop it now. He's got two arrows on top of him.
He doesn't get it off. He gets tossed away.
They finish off that mid-one last rank, but the ravage never goes out.
Controlled the tide dealt the damage.
Just clinks doing some work on the back line.
The beast continues to be a massive issue.
We had another amp damage for that fight.
Be able to eat his axe and buy something else here
as the streak continues 16-0 with the Thailand legacy game.
Can it be defeated here by Baoz?
There is Baoz.
When we fly back, we'll not save him here.
Baoz gonna be used mass by Baoz.
This man here was on the triangle with the Ravage ready to go.
Yeah, why not?
It's a guaranteed teamfight win because you have Ravage
and you didn't even have to use it to kill the Klinks.
Look over extension by Baoz.
That's how both areas of the weapons party
Now the ravages gets used see if they can help pull supports off this one to crept fine. See if the damage can get a blink off
Actually does damage back to himself off the blade mail so we couldn't actually blink away
Tonight that opportunity so they're going to wipe mouths while also taking Roshan
It took a while and they got there
This game has been a hot in nice edge like how does mouse still have the golden lead it doesn't even make sense
It doesn't make sense
This games are very mysterious, but that is an aegis for the thai long
17-0 streak
It's him some comfortability going in the fight
He desigts to free up the slot
He is the carry this game versus just along for the ride
Don't we do have nihilism? It's out of us. It's here. It's ready
Why
Why I said why answer me why the fantastic nihilism
It's not what you talking about a plastic nihilism
I mean it's going for lash versus Ursa in that
specific isolated matchup but what about his team you don't understand also when
he goes in and he decrypts their entire squad and none of them take any damage
from his other two cores you don't understand it saves them from the
burning barrage hits that's right but he's gonna have one defod them you know
he's putting them in a he's putting them between two rocks right it's not it's
hard place and another hard place like you either get slain in nihilism by the
magic damage or you get slain by the physical rest of squad
we'll see how strong these rocks really are
Well, certainly does this game does not give you any confidence that heroic have fixed their
mid game problems.
They might still win this game, but what are you talking about, the tylin is just turning
the Prime Sumail out here, like this guy is, yeah exactly, they don't mean on this,
if it's Prime Sumail and the game's still going on in 40 minutes, he needs the rest
of the team needs to stop at the F up.
Exactly what I remember about puncher
Double ravage for the kill on a chrysalis in the high ground. No buyback on either one of them the game is over
Well, that was a bro. I guess they fixed their high ground issue. They really did. Holy crap
That's what I did
You can't throw a high ground if you never give them a chance to even sit on the higher
That's how you do it, ladies and gentlemen.
You actually get buyback for Klink, so they can play this 4 vs 5.
No buyback incoming for the Slardom.
Mid 1 trying to make a big nihilism play.
Goes after the Ursa.
Good 4-staff keeps him out of splitter.
Now he's going to be roared up.
Tylong, refresh.
Another roar.
Mid 1 not going to survive under that kind of onslaught.
Does that party?
There was all the stall.
We're gonna have to stall for a whole lot.
Wow, longer. Nice toss back.
Beautiful.
I'll take away the Aegis.
Chrysalis needs to back away though.
Mid 1 coming back in.
Split Earth hits on 2.
Catching the Shadow Demon.
There goes that Nihilism.
Chase him down.
High lung with the TP away.
He's fine.
Maybe KJ gets spotted.
Spotted there by the Sentry for a second.
And I doubt he's gonna be able to hide away in the trees here as they get cut
down by the split earth room
Holy crap the throne
Somebody HP somebody
Why does he keep happening to Heroic?
He could have just ended the game
They could have gotten the Lippie at least and then
How does this keep happening?
If they lose this game, come on man, it's some great desk script
I don't know
That would be the most Prime Sumail thing to happen though
Honestly
So who is Bibeck Leppa?
There is Pugna Bi for Malz.
Only got baited by an illusion.
They got very baited.
Oh my, this is, this is actually the best game I've ever seen in Thailand.
Like this is living up to all the hype, you know, everyone's like, this guy's rank, uh,
negative 18mL board, he's the 20,000 MMR, like, I can see it dude, I see the, I see the future.
Chains are off, he's no longer playing with the 160 ping.
just so crisp
you can see the focus you can see
the bird
and it's a heavy burden
and not a lot has gone well for this game outside of
Smith v's faster. I loved his other two different games that they threw and he was like
holy shit like if I want to win I gotta really do it myself
I gotta go super sane they do a refresher
on the tide now. So they will once again have that double ravage. It's just about who jumps
who. If you jump, Malz, just ravage them, they're just gone. So saving that, if Malz
are able to get the tiny tosses off or jump, any of her Oaks heroes, they're just gone.
They die in a millisecond. You're not going to survive. Are they going through? I've
seen this before. They're doing it. But they're back doors up though. Why don't
Get the mid open!
Where'd they go? Now they're gonna jump-sell or what's happening?
What's happening?
Oh my god!
He's dead!
What the hell was that dude?
Oh my god, the damage gets the extra kill too.
Kill the core.
He dies.
The rolic.
The rolic.
What?
Wait, it ain't so horrific.
How was that the play?
2300 gold for the kill on Tylong.
How was that the play?
Back door was up anyway.
I mean, it didn't look that bad in the idea that the ravage jumping clinks who they know doesn't have buyback
Like getting that opportunity because you made such a bold play of going into the enemy base like that that kind of makes sense
Something happened to humor in that fight like he is thought support. Yep tiny calm. We just died. I don't think you got anything on
Yeah, I saw the rabbit go down and then you know was dead
You got killed by Tiny Toss, dealing 1,600 damage with the combo, and like, Clink's arrows.
Wall Clink's was dying.
Like, Yamash just destroyed me.
Oh no, the perfect, the Taiwan legacy game.
Not like this, dude.
Oh.
We cannot end this entire group stage with another heroic throw, like, it's just, it
can't keep happening. They can't keep getting away with this.
Dreaded run from it. The heroic high ground throw comes all the same.
All right. Just, you know, regroup, steady yourself. There's still a Roche to play for here.
Try sneak this Roche. Nice and quick. And they have done it.
It's heroic.
Oh, wait.
Let them get an Aegis refresher.
Oh, wait.
Everything else out of the pit without the clinks being alive.
How is the Hyrule so bad every time?
It's so bad.
I don't understand.
It's like, when they should be decisive and just go,
they don't.
And then when they should just like,
oh, wait, it's so slow.
You don't wait to get like the damage.
They just go into like the fountain
just die and don't press like it doesn't make any sense
maybe it kind of makes sense they're too passive before now they're too aggressive you know they're
trying to fix it they just they just over calibrated they just swung that problem like the entire other
direction oh my god it does make for some hype-ass games on this game it's hype as hell
Oh
Geez watching this game
Dear god get me out of I want to get off mr. Heroics wild ride
Mr.. Heroics wild ride anymore
Yuma showing sight of my split earth already half HP the ravages come in nicely
They're gonna focus down mid one during these ravages and get one kill Yuma has to reset though
No enrage and low HP whispers trying to hold back these heroes as best he can but mid one coming back on the second
Like nine of them charging forward looking for any heroes that they can't know they don't get anything
Good bail good bail on that you used a lot to bring that less down
Not if you're not gonna be able to take that fight the second time
And it's not like you're gonna lose a lot here because I don't think miles are gonna be able to push
With their face they have to send somebody back so her all can actually even look here. Maybe
They have a lot of cool notes to play with still
Defense from mouse
It's too good. They have so many Lincoln Spheres. Somebody go set there's what are you supposed to do?
Counter after counter mouse catching every punch that heroic throws
And now they're the ones hitting high ground yet again
Then you know if I'm so bad in this line it's insane like the fact you would
not have an all fire is killing your attempts assassinate the pugna to go on
these single targets you can buy one out now but it would cost him his buyback
which is spooky but maybe you need that kind of all in play to be able to hold
your base at this point wins hide hunter is up ravage will be up but that's to
leave 30 seconds here for mouse made the game to go straight to the tier fours
with a burning army and the banner oh man I mean you gotta find the plug
no look at war no golem of no ravage they're gonna have to do this without at
all whispers gonna buy back to your force already gone in the tight hunter
dropping look they got on top of the clink so tight long he's going for it
he won't take out the carry he does that buy back though and her
Or drop out a lot of heroes underneath this burning army see if they can escort Tylong out of here
He's trying to deal with a banner. He realizes it's the banner that is the problem
He has to deal with the creeps and protect the throne Yuma. He's going after the tiny theory of blade helps protect him
Decrepify from Celery doing what it can kite back around Tylong
He gets targeted need one focusing him down. No roll up for another five seconds. Go on die like that
That's gonna be a dieback damage continuing to push forward goes after KJ up next another dieback for heroic
And it's done. They have nothing left. They have nothing to protect their throat.
A TARGET!
Oh!
Ornark and Heroic! They've done it yet again!
They have thrown yet another game in the Blast Slam group stage.
Not like this.
Wait, did they? You on the throne!
Wait, you think-
There's a cliff!
Oh!
The cliff goes off!
No!
What do we-
You might close it out. It's the Glyph Diff that closed out the game.
The mouse have done it, the mouse have taken victory, they have ripped it away from both
Heroic and Liquid as it is now going to be Navi and OG top 2 and it also means that
Heroic will be in the bottom 4.
Come back to the battle, we just witnessed Heroic do what they do best at this slam,
put all the hopes and dreams into Ty Long and then take it away at the last minute.
For Ty Long at least, I think he ended the game with like 19 kills, it's the most he's ever had in his competitive career
to do it on the tier one stage, to put Heroic on the back, to try and take them away from that bottom four position,
pushing them into the slightly nicer version of the playoffs to try and get to the playoffs.
You know last chance, whatever but still
Rorik what it's like probably one of the best games this guy will play in his entire life
Yeah, or Thailand this game
He was like taking everyone on his back for what like 40 minutes until eventually they decide again
You know we over jump we do this it's kind of crazy because when you look at their cameras after the game
It's not like neither team really won. They don't know what the hell is happening. There was like at the end
I was watching creeps hit the diathrone fly
Someone could force the glyph earlier. Again, there's so many moments that may be, but they set themselves up.
Again, we're going to probably show the highlight later on in this post-show. There's a point in which heroic, they make a plane which...
Do it like that, but I don't like it.
We're like in the enemy base. This is crazy.
I just don't know what's happened to heroic in regards to the late-game shot calling.
The early game, there's the aggression, there's the moves, but there's something weird about some of the moves they're making.
the dives they do, the general...
I don't know how to even word it, there's just something which is putting a bluntly just
ugly with their closing of a game, which wasn't a problem in previous times for Heroic.
They were the type of team that was exciting in the late game, they had the energy, the
layering, but right now there is a voice in this team that is just hurting them.
Like that guy at some...
No idea who it is, but the late game calls, whoever it is at the moment, might need
to get muted.
Like it's just kind of strange, a lot of these games are like very strange.
I do think there's a lot of clutch plays from individuals.
I think a lot of the Lotus and Lincoln's purchases reflect some stuff,
but I think Whisper and a lot of fights,
like I've been in this position before, you have this refresher,
but then you blow everything, obviously there's buybacks
and then you have no more cooldowns to play with, enemy team is going to abuse that.
Like to me, a lot of the clips I'm seeing,
it's like as if there's a bounty out for the team that throws moles or is clip-farming.
Every second or third series, it's like a madman clown show going on in like some of these fights. It's incredible.
And we cannot forget how important this game was because not only was it for if heroic win they escaped the bottom four,
there was also the ramifications of the top two, right?
Mouse winning, now it's Navi and OG as the top two.
OG of course watching this, they wanted Mouse to win.
And if you're a Liquid fan and you're watching in the facility as the Liquid team, do you want it?
Wanted, but heroic to win because liquid the only way they got told you was from work now liquid going to be third place
Of course still having to go through the last chance now not getting that automatic semi-final
So Navi and og of course going to be the top two
But we are going to see the standings here
But the fact that the fact is that this game has everything on the line for so many teams at the top and the bottom
And it's a game like that. I mean this is even though og are in this game
This is like og magic the true winners of this game is them like witnessing the spec like witnessing
This guy dunked on his opponents for 40 minutes to drop a 17-0 bomb, to then lose, actually in Saturday.
And then for OG as well, they've been 5th, 6th, so many different tournaments.
Maybe the last three, it's been this kind of curse.
They get right close to the final day, then they full short.
Now, straight away into the semi-finals, straight away into that top 4, so OG getting there.
And also for NAVI, an organisation and a roster that we've just pretty much been hyping up as the next team, but never making it.
They're now one best of five, sounds so weird to say,
one best of five away from another best of five.
So like for Navi, really not normal to say,
it's so not normal to say,
but like between these two orgs,
both in the semi-finals,
if they are to make the finals,
getting a trophy under Ivory these orgs in current year
is massive for both of them.
So yeah, now semi-finals is incredible from those two.
I think it's really cool, like both these teams,
you know, they're young, they're like newer into the scene,
like, you know, Aureus, like being picked up by OG
and like what I see is just this,
It looks like the fast-paced stuff and maybe know if the meta changing we see the aura's and like playing fast going through the gates like doing stuff and just like
Connecting nicely just seems like what you want to be doing and those two teams they're doing it
I'm happy to see them at the top honestly just well deserved
Yeah, and now we are lucky enough to see the the last chance of what is
Unfolding between these teams due to the chaos of the heroic game the antics of the high ground
They are now going into the lower. That's right last chance playoff. Technically. It is the lower bracket
They are gonna have to play up against Reconyx and after that there is a surprise waiting for them
There is a random little thunder just sitting there
It's not pretty that's not pretty at all
But like your plays and actions they have consequences
They're probably like with what I see here and after the group stage I've witnessed
Literally anyone can bomb out and I'm not even gonna be surprised like if heroic drop to like Reconyx
You know it can happen game a legion mouse. I don't know that's up in the air even like the second rounder is like
Literally anything has happened in these games for the past couple of days.
Yeah, I think the nice thing at least for that one is how mouse is performing right now.
A team like Game of Legion who is unfortunately shifting towards the bottom half.
You beat an out of form mouse, that will give you the confidence to maybe break through
and actually start getting some notable results under your belt.
So for Game of Legion, it's actually quite a nice looking trajectory at least.
There could have been some scary ones for them because, again, it's...
They could make it happen.
They could make it happen.
The underdog story, it is there, it is possible.
After you, he could do it for North America.
You know, we like the guy, you know,
they've struggled a little bit,
but you know, this time it could be the one.
Could be, that is true.
But schedule for tomorrow, let's check it out.
There it is.
So tomorrow we are gonna be starting the day
with Heroic and Reconyx.
Again, Reconyx a team that has really,
really struggled in this group stage.
Only one win to their name and Heroic,
the late game, the late night entertainers,
I'm not gonna lie. I mean, sure.
To me, Reconyx, I really gave them a lot of hope,
and then they've kind of shattered it.
Like, they've just skydove with my feelings,
like, into the ground.
But, you know, I'm giving them hope,
and I'm giving them the patience to see for tomorrow,
and to also take confidence,
because when you're watching these games,
you know they can throw it any time.
They can.
Just make sure you get to the late game
in a stable way to force the players.
Have a game to play. That's all you need.
Exactly. And, again, this is probably,
without a shadow of a doubt,
best group stage we've had so far in the slam format with the best of ones. Tomorrow we have the two best of
threes on one stream so we'll have every little bit of focus on them and we look forward to seeing you
tomorrow. Thank you very much and good night.