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I'm going to go back to the
game. So much more action still
to happen here. Blossom six and
day at number six. Maybe it's
lucky number six, and it is
going to be for two teams
because we still have a lot of
best of threes to get through
joining me on the panel just
I'm ready to watch Gamer Legion, the Gamer Goats, to take home that W.
Kether?
I'm hyped for today as well, we've got good games, you know, the second series, it's good,
but I'm more hyped for the first one here.
My boys in Tundra, they've been kind of sucking it up, you know, the last three matches
were not that good, I'm expecting a comeback.
And that's why Heroic will make the comeback, because not about North America, not South
America, and they're going to be the true underdogs of today, so none of this,
At least one America's should do well, please for the sake of the story. I like how I started it
Just wanting to know how you guys
No precedent on the brakes right now, we're gonna go old gas and straight into looking at what happened at our best of threes yesterday
And now the counter play comes in, no just he can't come but a foretank
But once it's in the top of the store square, it just takes out the run up through the bashes
And now it's time to watch your toy, he's trying to go for once and but once it can stand his ground
So it's gonna be ready to go, arena spirit, in on to your toy
In the corner of the right brown, and now it's just gonna be able to get the opening
Concentrate with the spear, come on to start things up, that's back time gone
Now they say to watch your toy, there's the hexta, open things up
Or get the BKB up and some of the HP's gonna run
Once it's gonna be able to chase your toy, it's gonna try and stand his ground against once
But he can't open his eyes.
Hopefully he has to run.
Actually, they'll see the chance to get to open a saxet.
And we'll try and jump back in on this.
The Iranians are going to get laid down in the morgue.
They're getting torn apart.
They cannot survive against the Greeks.
What's in collapse is left behind around the pit.
He'll fall as well.
It's over.
They went for one last attempt.
We're going to try and jump inside the pit.
This time, it's two versus four.
And they jump in.
All the boulders into the rock.
Oh, he goes on a flow down by the avalanche.
Man, it was a super sick hit from Balcones.
Unfortunately, just not quite enough, while they need it, and the jump is over.
The right kind of jump, and they're immediately pranked through the linkage of the razor, and cut him down.
The boat's gonna come through, try to make these heroes tankier, but they're really not tanky.
Up against Skeeter, set up on the hangglass, that end rates you're working with, but now, with these Enraged,
she gets completely stolen, and meanwhile the pick goes back in, and Skeeter taking the fight to Armada,
and he doesn't care about the amp damage, one bit with the rest of the BKB,
he's trying to fit in, he's trying to get out of here, and hits the dragon, and he gets knocked by the Kess,
and that is the death of army.
I don't believe that.
That cannot be the right item.
We'll see an army and an army.
Army is gone.
He's just dead so fast.
And the army really didn't save you anything here.
So fortunately, they will not be able to hold this.
Make success.
Stabilize.
Yesterday, it was our closer seated teams coming up
against each other in best of threes.
And so we thought we were going
to have closer best of threes.
But at the end of the day, it was Yandex,
that two owed spirit and falcons that two owed extreme gaming to make it here to Malta in a couple
days they're not here just yet but they will be and they're joining Navi, OG but two slots still
remain here for everyone else and maybe there's some heroes Kazoo that they can look at that might
garner them a bit of a win something that's been standing out a bit more of the last few days
of lost land absolutely we need to look at an updated list you know the other day you know we
We looked a little bit, but there's someone who crept up in the stats because yesterday
Shen I believe went 3 and 0 or maybe even 4-0 in the playoffs, you know
We have some other heroes your classics there on the Lord we talk about them every day Crimson pipe
We he he you know you're too strong. You're too tanky, but the Shen man is
Looking pretty damn strong at most teams. They can play this hero
I mean every team pretty much has a five player that can play it
Just you just forget about it and then you get slapped in the face when it happens
But I want the snaking ball that one. It's like meme acts refresher BKB. That was good. I'm so far
If we can get that in more chain games, I'd be calling for like every single game. I think you might
That's good. Can't see a kazoo surprisingly. Can't surprise
That was good. It's just like that not everyone can like play it. I would say to its fullest potential
Here's good.
Did anyone stick out for you, Clingy, or the only one that hasn't really chimed in on the uptick to heroes?
I'm surprised people are still picking so much clinks. I feel like that sort of downpick.
Like, I feel like this hero is very middling and it's being slightly overpicked.
Like, we've seen in some games it like falls really flat.
In some games, like the NX game, it looks good, but I think people are starting to figure it out.
It's like, slightly more. It's not quite as giga as it was when we started the tournament.
Um, now I know we've been a little silly on this panel, whether that's an understatement or not.
or not. I know I'm looking at you when I say the word silly quid and there's been a lot of fun
but something that's been missing out of you know wow reoccurring gloss lamp theme is a tealist
which we have not done. I thought we just escaped the moment. In a while we have not
so I would like to bring everyone's attention over here. Beautiful tealist we have on this uh
on the stage here. Holy wow a real tealist. It's a real tealist and normally I'm just
sorry I'm gonna clip my hands here it is normally the way the teal is
so you can join me 50 50 is that I would make you guys rank things in a
tealist but I thought I hadn't done one yet and I would make oh I know I would
take the onus you guys I would do all the hard work and I would make a tealist
however I'm not gonna tell you the title of this tealist so I'm gonna reveal
one rink at a time and you guys are gonna have to figure out what the title of this
T-List is, which I have to help you a little bit, please.
Alright, yeah, we're gonna hold on, can I not?
You created the way it is, of course.
Okay, we're all on one team.
You're on one team, you're all on one team.
Well, I mean, it's not a competition, but it's to see if you guys can figure out.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay, so I'm gonna do the first.
So you're gonna reveal one line at a time?
One line at a time.
What? It's bottle not.
Oh, got it?
Yeah.
I did not help you there as well.
I should just stop you.
You could just kind of hold it like pointing the shot.
No!
Okay.
No.
Yeah.
Bottle.
There's more that goes on this one.
Oh, there's more?
Oh, shit.
There it is.
I'm gonna try and give it to you.
There you go.
I'll hold the blade.
There you go.
Oh, thank you.
That was much safer.
This is getting abstract.
Bottle?
Yeah, shit.
That's a very, like, sassy combo.
A little sassy.
What the hell?
Okay.
Okay.
It's not shape-based.
I was wearing it for you to be like,
Like, whiny mid laners, history of items that we've tried about, you know?
But then not... As soon as you got the Yasha that kind of got deleted.
Well, I didn't really put that one up.
I mean, after a bottle, Yasha was like, maybe it's off-lane,
but now you have Chip Vest Rattle Cable, so that one's out.
Mm-hmm.
These two are similar, but they're not similar to the other one.
No.
Like, the latter two are like, off-lane items in the first...
Yes.
This is from the mind of Nat, so you really have to take, like, a step deeper.
Yeah, that's why... Like, maybe there's some support, but then the first item is Bottle.
Yeah.
So it's not that either.
Maybe it's like...
Yeah.
the items and that tried to buy her first ever game and that she went for the
bottle trying to like that's make people drink in laning phase and she got
really good support I don't get it super broke but why don't people buy
the map I don't have a good guess for this like most things these are pretty
kind of stylish like if I can't close like is it size of style thing oh yeah
accessories maybe but like swords not really nice but it makes you look cool
but then what would be the tier yeah I don't know if like a yasha and a
Rattle cage. I have some cool bottle. Yeah, that is that is some drip. So if that why is anything
But you're saying these are cool and these are in detail. Yes
I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the next to you
Just to maybe help you guys out a little bit more. What am I gonna call?
Okay bracelet the cold thing. Yeah cold brothers. They're cold brothers. Please. Is it this way up this way up?
No, what is it? Yeah, it's tiara. Yeah. Oh, gee. What did you do? We're bleeding
important yeah chill um but it's something about these like regal royal looking things so you've
got like armor and like historical yeah something like this memes it's definitely a it's like
appearance based somehow yeah like they're kind of pointy like like medieval drips yeah that's what
i'm thinking yeah but yasha's surely can be detailed it's medieval drip like yasha's like based
That's like a a or s here, you know what there's other bleeds available. I mean we got away to you
That's a state. Oh, we do
Come with you this roll. Oh, what the hell is this a boda? It's yes layers. No the two flares bodacious
Odacious flair
Okay, that was more who's that?
Yeah, it's all good. This one's also gonna be you can put it on as you want well
I'm trying just not to stab myself now off the last year. That's that's the higher priority
Have it because any okay the real question is how do anyone check on it, right?
And like now we look like fools people like collective. There's a high I would be really impressed if someone in chat from like
C or DT it could guess
They're like kind of a dormant
What even is a bowtah? I don't know
Can you wear it? What do you say?
Like
It kind of sounds like a bow tie. I don't know what it is. Can you wear that?
I don't know that's a really good question. A large vial for a boat. Okay, so then the fact that it's here
It confuses me because if she doesn't even know what it is. Yeah, how can it like make it careless to it?
Yeah, exactly. Maybe it's items not
Has never used in her life. Oh, that's a lie because I definitely use this one. Okay
Are you a support player? Oh, that's a support player, so I
Yeah, good point. Maybe it's just cool-looking items from like S to D but like though this guy's more meaning for it and like
Both slayers. I'm just saying if you would if you had guessed it, I would have stopped the tealists already
Just go this way this way yeah
Because that's like their support items. Oh, what what the what that's the complete list
That is my complete tealist no more items to add to the list
Is this heck an alphabetical no
We don't have an upside-down alphabet in Australia as much as that to me
And I'm missing some like references
What if you were to say the names of all of them like your meal
Black three players Bota armlet a more diggy in the end have us
What is it called a cold bracelet? Yeah, you're so many
Ball always wait wait no one
Let me your mule had an idea if it's not strong
GMP. It's not a number of letters.
No. I was looking at some Marvel movie but there's nothing. I'm blanking.
Uh, I'm trying to think of another hint that just doesn't
like outright ruin what it is. You said like say it and then we should have
figured it out. Right, but
when this item first came out
how many variations of how to pronounce it whether?
Blip blob. Blip blob. Blip blob. Yeah.
Like no one really knew how to say it right when it first came out so was it oh just you're naming I
It's what I think it's the hardest
Yasha yasha
So I think this is like one of the hottest because it's always been like contention around if it's glit me or glad
That's true. I never like I would never call this item glit me
It has to be glit glop or flip right and and we always move about it
Mjolnir is like the same thing where it's like, I think if it's naturally in your mother tongue language
It's fine, but anyone else struggle same with filactory, phylectery, filactory
I like that Mjolnir is called MJ, like people just don't want to say the real MJ
There's no way you can write?
So I put these as like the three most difficult
It's just like for the 20 English players out there
This is for you
What?
The United Kingdom is the most complicated
These are like really easy, like there is no way you could ever say any of these wrong
And these ones are like, we've all said it six different ways
I see. I will say this was a hard one to get.
Yeah, this was very hard.
I was way too deep.
I was like, maybe I'm not abstracted.
I'm maybe too abstract. No, I was not abstracted at all.
Yeah, you were almost there when you were just, yeah.
You guys were over along the lines, but yeah, fun little tier list.
Maybe some people have some alterations they would make to it.
But one thing that can't be altered today,
that's our schedule, because it is already set in stone
as to exactly who's going to be playing.
And if you were here earlier on in our pre-show,
my panelists would have alluded to it,
it but it is going to be liquid and gamer legion that end our day there which means that we get to
start off with what is sure to be the barn burner of heroic and tundra.
If you get a good call onto you, may have been close to the base.
Oh, that's a big arena blast.
I went onto the stands and my goodness, Whisper blows the mic.
Yes, why, my dear, it's showing again a lot.
If the opening stun aren't to connect as well,
they'll take White one down, but they'll get a full-barm ravage.
End of the requiem, pushing them all back.
First he's wrapped, why, Fyre's gone.
No, no, no, no.
It could be pretty nice though, Chikroy.
And Reconyx, it was such a good fight from them in this opening game.
Well Tundra and Heroic, is it really going to be as one sided as some online cheetah chatter
has been alluding to?
I don't think so.
I don't like one chatter or even...
I don't know, I just kind of made that up.
I just...
I like that one.
Yeah, I have no idea.
It's like making it up for like, you know, the point behind this one and that.
There's not really any drama, I just like to make it up.
I think I'm really kind of a pretty key what Ari said about her or craze. Oh, yeah, he hates everyone. Yeah, really mean
Yeah, no, that was a movie that it was enabling it as well
He does generally do that. He's a very enabling type of names guy
Yeah, I think it meant as a coach, you know enabling their drafts and that place
No, the other way like the stupidity
What's our focus up though on on pundra and talk more about it because they've stayed together
together. Since what the first one that blasts slam however many months ago
they've been on absolute tear in fact every single player in this tundra
lineup already has a blast slam trophy to their individual name that is how
many times these players have lifted the trophy pure himself got his first
word of blast slam won so on and so forth the rest is all tundra history to
be matter of fact yeah I mean this team is just insanely impressive I
I think 33 teams in general are just people like these teams because even though the playstyle is a bit boring
It's really impressive the way he's been able to make dynasties over the years and to continue winning on slightly different iterations of rosters
It's it's actually crazy. I think one of the most successful if not the most successful player the last five years
It is there a sight to behold even if you may not like that playstyle so much
I think it's the fact that as well like when you look at them
There's like these little mini adjustments they make that it's not as if they're going to join a 33 team
We have to play his daughter like they are still allowing players to show their side show their creativity be it through
Ari or pure like there's these little little moments where they get the shine
Yeah, and I think also it's not just like the skill they have like all individually
I think 33 is like one of the smartest players
I would say around like not just in like itemization
But like how to play how to get the most out of the map
How do you break like the current formula of the most gold with the best items to them be like invincible?
So I think this team they just have like a lot of different things than if if just like 70% of them hit
then insanely good team. Do you think the fact that this is the first time they haven't made it straight to a semi-finals is like an indication?
He was ready for it. I was so locked in loaded for this.
Okay, all right.
Again, there's actually been praise them. Slam history has just been tundra, tundra, tundra, tundra, tundra, tundra, right?
All six finals, tundra's been there. They've won what? Five? They've won second?
65. This is that Blast Limps.
He's going ahead. I'm going ahead.
Oh, I'm going ahead. They're going to be in it again probably, because that's how much they do it.
So in the five they've done, you get the point.
They weren't on the Evening Panel, they don't.
Yeah, they don't get...
Yeah, that's part of that.
Tundra peeled.
But the point is, like, they have just lived in our minds at every single Sam, and this
time around, they faltered, they didn't break in top two to get to the semi-finals.
They're now having to go through this, so if there ever was a time that Tundra doesn't
make it to the finals, doesn't just follow this script that we've been following,
it feels like it is this time.
So as much as we praise them, they have been kind of faltering along the way this
time around.
Yeah, and that is exactly what I asked one of their players early when I caught
up with them.
It was BGM.
Do you think this is going to be a long best of three against Harok?
Not necessarily. I hope not, but it will be ready for everything.
That's very true. I will say one thing, a lot of us, what you're ready for is seeing you guys here,
not making it straight to the semi-finals.
And so I want to know what's happened towards the end of the group stage for you guys,
because you lost a lot of games people might not have expected you to lose.
I don't think anyone knows the reason, well, I know the reason, I'm not gonna say it, but
we didn't play like usual, let's just say that.
Alright, that's an answer I can definitely deal with.
We've seen you're in Voka for many, many years in the pro scene, everyone loves it.
I want to know two parts.
What makes Invoker so enjoyable to play for you personally and how many Invoker games
do you have?
I mean to play it like in officials is more a sub for it but I kinda need to balance to
not get bored of it because when you play too much of the same at least for me I
get bored so if I need to play it in officials and screams then I need to not play it in pubs
or like the other way around if I'm only playing certain stuff in officials then in pubs I'm playing
just stuff that I want to have fun with at least sometimes.
What are some heroes that you're having fun in pubs with then at the moment?
Some Mars, some Void Spirit, I played Thinkshaker, I don't know, there's some non-official heroes, at least for now.
Other people have been playing Void Spirit, you don't think there's a chance you might pull out the Void Spirit in an official?
I mean, I could, but I don't think Void Spirit is going to be ever telegraphed or something.
You need to like wasp pick it.
I don't know if I like the disparaging Void Spirit like that, that doesn't even fit War
and Fuzzy inside.
He heard you flaming all the other Void Spirit players and he's like, I'm not
We're bringing that out in the future when Quinn's on the panel.
If he had been listening to any panel, he would have heard Quinn like glaze what you should buy and how it should work, but...
I mean, even if you buy all the perfect items, the hero's still the worst hero in the game, so thanks, Valves.
Thanks, Valves.
Hey, shot does too much, just saying. So if you're on this, Valves, maybe just change the shot.
I don't care about the rest of the hero, just the shot.
Yeah, nerf him more because Quinn's also here's really good.
Yeah, it's way too good. Sorry, we need to kill him.
Whee! It was a pretty guy. True sight.
Look, I'm just excited to see BZ potentially playing something other than Invoker as much as I was praising it.
that can force that out for him is heroic. They're coming up against Tundra and then Midlina,
Tylong has done so much work for them in the group stage. The fact that they were able to get
through last chance qualifiers in the fashion they did. They're looking good. It feels like it's
just a matter of time before they get that click. Yeah and that has been the case I think for
heroic with their previous results right. The idea that they kind of they blast slam they
They did really well. Third, fourth is looking great. What's happening?
And then tournament by tournament, you can just see they're sliding down the scale.
Of course, they have made the roster changes.
So coming into this time is a different heroic than the last one.
But again, the proofs in the old pudding, they are just on a downward trajectory.
And even in the group stage, it was rocky.
There was signs of like this, this form not being in place.
I'd argue, I think they are slowly moving towards a better position.
Asterix outside of high ground.
Everything in high ground is still beautifully chaotic.
And I cannot wait to see if they just break their ankles walking up the steps of the enemy base once again because it has been
Hysterical watching some of their games, but they've had a day off or two like they're there. There's time to fix those little silly Billy
High ground problems. Oh look with that day off though
That also means there's a potential room for improvement and I could either come from the side of tundra
Who had that fate in their hands of making it to the semi-finals and fumbled a bit more towards the end of their best of
but also heroic, a lost chance qualifies much needed confidence win for themselves.
So in this best of three, who exactly is going to get the advantage in out game one draft?
and it's going to be a great
day. With heroic and tundra
facing off in a best of their
first time for tundra. Mind you,
since the blast slam format
change to have to make a land
for themselves. Whereas a road
they've been here before.
That's just how they got
themselves to Singapore, and
so they've proven themselves
taking out the Huska, the Razer, Heroic Brew, and ISF.
Yeah, I really liked the Shadow Fiend Pan.
People kept giving it to Tundra, kept trying to beat it,
and they just kept winning with it a million times.
So I think, bearing it out, it's a flex.
It's a safe choice. They had a very, very good win rate on it.
But also other teams in the tournament,
they saw how Pure was playing the Shadow Fiend.
They tried doing the Yashakaya.
It also didn't work out.
So Tundra only, they're forcing the band against themselves.
They've kind of influenced other teams losing in the tournament
because they couldn't understand it quick enough, right?
It was probably one of the more kind of enjoyable mini-developments for hero and optimizations we've had in the group stage.
I'm kind of shocked at the Largo. I don't know if shocked is the right word.
That's an over exaggeration of how I'm actually reacting to it, but Tundra aren't really reaching for Largo.
I think there's so much more oomph in the tank for them that you use the first things ban on hero for Largo.
Yeah, I wouldn't say they're reaching for it instantly or over other heroes, but they have played some of it.
I will say like 33 had one game on Largo. That was a pretty standout game
Actually, I think they played it together with Phoenix so it looked kind of good
But I will say heroic are a team that put in a lot of prep when it comes like the first couple bands and picks
So I would assume that maybe after seeing like the first three the Largo band could make a little more sense after yeah
That's actually like it teams against hunger. There's been the occasional Largo band against them
But it's not really been hardly contested. I agree with that
So I feel like there's something down the line that is opening up for a dream protector,
a hero that has pretty much been exclusively first phase banned and there's a lot of the
drafts that we've seen, has been let through the pool so, of course Tundra showed it working
really well for them in the group stage, now it's Heroic's turn to see what they can
do with the hero.
Yeah, I mean I don't even have a super clear feel of how good this hero actually
is right now because it's just banned every game, so you don't actually get to see
it and I think sometimes there's a weird effect with heroes like that where you
You can think they're insanely broken,
and when they actually get shown,
they're not to fight to the same degree,
but you don't have to practice on them for the game.
Well, we're true protector, right?
Like, you go to the 113 build,
you are playing on living armor,
putting this barrier across the map,
like trying to buff people up.
So there is an argument where,
if you aren't taking the fights
and utilizing that barrier in the early game,
by the time that you do fight as a team,
maybe let's say 20 to 25 minutes,
you've kind of lost the value.
So when I see tree,
I want a strong lane combination elsewhere
to utilize it from across the map.
I want a little bit of that maybe initiation to utilize the shard going into the mid game
But I want a couple skirmishing heroes and the heroes that utilize the vision for that clean jump again
Tundra I think showcase that beautifully in their group stage when they have like a shaman in the fall position
Using the tree so there are some things to look at in a tree lineup
Yeah, I mean this hero is just a super obnoxious laner like he has like a level one rude plus heal and has like 90 damage
He also goes in this so I think you're gonna Tundra like you need to be right
Because this year you need to like run in and kind of clap people in the face,
but if you have a dual lane that can, when he like slightly oversteps or he drops to like 90% HP, 80% HP,
you can just like man up and like burst him with like a dual kill combo, that absolutely can work, but this hero is terrifying early on.
I mean one thing to note as well with Trees, the early game normally when you see the kind of the bounty spawn,
you go for the late smoke, you're playing for the setup, you want to go two for two.
In a tree matchup, you actually run to the safe lane to try and protect your trees,
the other team wants the smoke to kill the guys protecting the trees,
So there is a world in which you might be talking about, you know, the 5-on-5 in the safe lane rather than, you know, towards the bounty rooms.
You know, that is a way that can also disrupt an entire game.
What happens if BZM Invoker gets her first blood, right? The whole game state could shift.
You were saying that, you know, tree's been banned first phase in most games.
Well, it's a very high percentage of Contest Rate.
94% and banned out in 61 of our games.
Yeah, that's a good guess.
eight of them. So literally only getting lit through that eight of them.
Yeah, that that feels about right. I do want to point out these bands. I'm not sure if I agree
with Arobux bands. I feel like whenever there's an invoker in the game, you want to ban or consider
the stun heroes instead of for Sunstrike. Like Shadow Shaman and Bane. And Bane hasn't been
played that much recently, but these types of heroes that sort of change the game because
while BZM is the best blind Sunstriker in the game, it's still not that consistent. So if
So if you have some setup it can change the early game in a way that no other hero really can because you just have some absurd kill threat
So I'm not sure if I agree with like the more at the band is like a little off
And they get back to the tried and tested if you are to talk about
Best heroes and players
Invoker to BZM hoodwink to Ari
I'm pretty sure if you watched any competitive tournament any panel has probably glazed
Yeah, these players and these heroes in the in their hands. I mean I guess to go back to the
mortar that you talked about this a small way that it's also like pure scary
because it's played it a few times but I agree I mean you're gonna want to look
for these like stun heroes on the side lanes especially when you already have
like a tree into place like overly aggressive you have a global Sun strike
but I like what heroic are doing here there I mean they're the only team that
can actually make this hero look viable because everyone else just gets like
destroyed into the ground when they play bees but you can play aggressive
you take over areas tree and can help you like defend the safe lane
Tower Beasts can take over other areas. So in terms of like hero combinations, I like this.
Yeah, I'm, you know, played with this. We've seen the Pudge a few times from Whisper and I like it
against Tundra against, like as a team. I think this crazy aggression and taking advantage of the
fact that Pure is a player. He has these games where he feeds like a maniac in the safe lane
and Whisper is one of the best killing laners. I think in the world, if not the best,
he plays for more than he does CS. He's not going to win the lane slowly. He's going to
kill you and make the game like bizarre to play because you're just so far behind.
And so I think that type of playstyle, you pick, you know, the Beastmaster for Tylong, give him, like, that sort of damage, the Roche, the things that normally the Offlaner would give you, and instead Whisper plays the Psycho Killer, and you play the tempo against Hunter, because I think you want to get ahead early, you don't want to play the stagnant game against them, because they will beat you at it.
Yep, and it just looks really nice when you have Jakiro and Tree. Again, everything just feels like Beast is, I mean, Tylong Beastmaster. It was in like 2-13 right now in Slam, so it really is the hit specialty.
Oh boy.
Rock roll.
Here's Chen.
You said 4-0 yesterday?
Yeah, this hero in playoffs has not lost the game.
Yeah.
To be fair though, for Tundra, that was certainly a heroic.
The advantage that Oroic has is Tundra's lineup is built on kind of strong lanes shoved
out and you farm your items.
You just want to eventually be unkillable.
Again, they are a farm team.
Like 33 were happily by Helm-O-Dom, farm the aura, then you have Chen farming
his aura.
Invoker needs items as well.
So heroic.
We're talking about them playing through Beastmaster being aggressive.
Tundra is inviting them to maybe take over the early game, to then eventually go, oh wait, we've run out of damage, but there is still a window where you can look at heroics heroes and go, you know, fair play, they are more aggressive, they do want to make smoke moves, they do want to make things happen on the map compared to Tundra.
I think there's an interesting dynamic with Tundra's bands in the centaur pick. You'll comment on the situation sometimes where, you know, there's a Ursa still in the pool, but Tundra is okay giving it to them because of Invoker, right?
sometimes you'll leave heroes in the pool because you have another hero that is good against it,
and you're calling their bluffs sort of saying, yeah, you may beat us in lane a little bit,
but we think we can stall the game to a point where Ursa doesn't scale very well at all against
Invoker. It's an all-over cast to decide this. Do we want to play for the lane? We have J'Kyra
Ursa, and we put Tree in the 4-roll, and we win the lane, but now our scaling is worse,
and Invoker's going to do really well later on, so they have to strike that balance and make a
decision here about how they want to pair tempo compared to scaling. Yeah, I fully agree,
Because also, like maybe ideally they would have liked like a Range Hero to lane with the Triant and the Safe Lane
But I think they're not that amazing to pick into like a Centaur lineup overall and like your low HP against Invoker
You can get easily clapped in the lane
Yuma has played the carry Broodmother. What about something like that where you just play the lane and then you just take over the map with more things, more toxicity?
Holy base. There it is. Holy Borpa
I mean, it's interesting. I don't know how it lanes against Senthar, I think the Syros had some laning problems
It's my only word, but it is very very like if you get off to a good start
You absolutely absolutely can take over the map against these heroes. Yeah, I'm just picturing this like window where
Let's say brood is having a weak game
The natural map play that you have with spiderlings and like the itemization you have the orchid
Let's say he does go orchid instead of the thrushing manter. He's gonna put himself in a position of like
Making an objective get defended and then Beastmaster comes in to kind of be the true carry the game
I think between Beast and Brood it is just gonna be so toxic in that like the first 20-25 minutes unless they get
Super stomped in the late. Yeah, I mean what I see for heroic and Quinn mentioned it also like thunder over we know it
They're slow. They need time to build up. I think you want chaos or fast play
I think heroic have kind of both you have like a beast a brood in two different lanes
So honestly they have good lanes beast has a good lay mid
I think brood and the safe and also you play a little less on spiders like you play a lot on right-clicking
Centaur's low armor early on maybe you don't pressure the lane super much later because he can go like retaliate and vanguard
But when it comes to like the early game and oppressiveness heroic have that in so many different ways
No, I agree. I really like what they've done so far
And I think when you look at Chen centaur together and either one of them really have very many spells
And they're both buying the auras so when you get to that mid game point
They are gonna be really strong because you get the greaves crimson and pipe and whatever else added on top
But until that point their team fighting is pretty weak and generally what's good against Broom other is a lot of spells early
Stuff that can either kill the spiders or if brood runs in that you just nuke all of her crap that she can't fight
So tundra's heroes
They're pretty bad at dealing a brood that you know comes wrapping the mid or just taking these towers
It feels like tundra's main response is to try and shut down the lane of whisper
Play through that aggression of pure and white one and then you twin gate take brood mother's tower
And then it's like you just play kind of a little bit of recovery
recovery, but I like the ban from Tundra already. The Titan was banned by Heroic. I was thinking
of Mars potentially being a good option for Heroic, just a generic off-lane dude to kind
of tie the draft together. You can play most lanes out, but the whisper here is tie, timber,
Mars, they're all gone.
Yeah, I know he hasn't played that much and the hero hasn't been played much as tournament,
but I could see like a BKB piercing hero being quite good, like a Magnus, I think
this placement, but because you know like Tundra are going to look for the carry
to carry matchup. Brut is insanely strong, but later you need carries like man
up against this hero in like a BKB, that's the type of hero you know that time drive will
be looking at.
We haven't spoke about Undeloid 2 in this draw, but that would speak about it.
We were just hoping it wasn't going to actually come out, that's why.
I can't.
Scary.
There it is.
But you want a little bit more damage and scaling, right?
I think that is true.
I think you're playing against Pyke if they were to go for something all in, like the
Pudge or some other magic damage hero.
It becomes very strong against two Loader damage supports and also Beastmaster who's
magic damage so I think you want a little bit of a balance. Underlord's got some right click,
he's got some magic and he also can play a little bit longer fights.
It's also like we've seen Underlord struggle in some games where the greediness of lineups where
like he needs to farm a quarter of the map now someone else is taking it but here Brood wants
to play on the enemy side in a good game. Beastmaster also wants to farm ancients into
enemy side so there is a world where Underlord will have complete freedom doing whatever he
wants whilst the chaos of Beast and Brood you know runs over the tundra side of the map so
It looks kind of greedy in nature, but I think there is enough map to play once you get that kind of first item on some key calls.
What do we think? I mean, Tundra have giga long reserve time.
Range heroes I think are actually really hard to make work because you play against Chen and a brood that's going to gate on your ass at like minute 6, 7, 8.
And your mid and Volker is not looking at this lane. So you're going to be on your own.
I could see something like, even though it's volatile, I could see Slark because you're late enough, Chen.
Chen and you have like at least if you get to the later stage
I think your team fighting should be pretty fine against B sprud on the Lord
I think you could play on kiting maybe there's something a little more stable like the army true
It's like it's a trim that's always just a funny one right because like the entire toolkit of tree
So it doesn't care about so in the mid game. That's really one thing for thunder to utilize
And just hunting down the map
We mentioned vision being so important for Heroic, utilizing the Tree Shard, now you've got the Spidelings.
Of course, Pure will be able to play around all of that and just make sure that the one fight Tundra takes is on their own terms.
But again, got to say, Heroic, they have all the tools to break this early game.
Like, if you take away the team names, I would be leaning towards Heroic's lineup to be just the stronger looking lineup.
Yeah, like to me, I mean, Tundra has insane mid to late game as they always do though.
Of course, yep.
If I were to load into this draft, I would rather play Heroic.
Like I have Jill stuff early on sure it's like maybe a bit more like execution
But you have good lanes you can take over the map like for time
They really have to cruise control and like damage control the early game
Because if one lane starts bleeding you go over there
You feed some tepees and you hand the early game to a roic you're in for a really tough one
Tundra does have a nice amount of wave wave cut there, right?
So if the game is difficult pure playing on the backlines the lockdown available isn't the cleanest lockdown to kill of a
Slug then you've got Cento with a potential hammered down Chen Creek
are in the tree line invoker just throwing out a tornado to kill off the
waves because the gun for the scholar facet so it's like the blue one so it's
like tundra's way to keep the game alive is possible but it's on them just
constantly skipping waves constantly just being really obnoxious in the macro
gameplay I mean I like I like what a roast on and I think it's very true to
them and I like that they're sticking to their guns and they're playing
the game from their perspective. Harrow getting to play their style of
Dota hopefully at least it's a draft that leans into it and whilst they're
on the uptick and getting better every series we see them. Tundra didn't end their group stage so
well. A lot of question marks about exactly what performance is going to come out of them
but we can only really have that answered by getting into game one.
to get into the action here between heroic and tundra. I'm only pixel joined by fogged.
I can't wait to see this one go down for beginning a lot of action from a row. They're coming.
They're going to be running at them with this brood mother lineup and tundra. You know,
He keeps his cool at the end of the draft. He's like give me the slark these guys aren't gonna be able to run me over
I'm looking forward to see if he's gonna be right on that one because this
It could get pretty good get pretty messy. I don't know about what you're thinking about this one fog
But I think this line. It's a bit of a ballsy pick this pick. It's a bit of a disrespect pick
It says you guys are gonna beat me
I'm gonna beat you when you make mistakes mistakes. I guess pretty much considering
We did see her do that quite a lot of times right in the group sure they did make mistakes
So I think that slot pick is kind of what pure and tundra banking on here
Yeah, perhaps um, yeah, there's some interesting stuff
It does look quite greedy with the invoker plus the slark
I do see that the invoker pivoted a little bit. We see BGM level one X sort, but he's Quas
So we have seen him play with this before
I'm not a big fan of the Quas I have to be honest with you
I like when he's playing with the cataclysm, but perhaps he feels like he doesn't have enough setup or
or has to be a little bit more oppressive in the early game
since he does have a bit of a grislock with him
and he wants to be more mobile.
I'm not sure.
I'll have to see what B-Z wants to do with it
because I feel like Heroic,
they kind of got everything they wanted.
Tylon, they set it themselves.
You know, he's one of the few
that can still make this Beastmaster actually win games.
And yes, it's a fast lineup.
If they get slowed down, sure.
Tundra has a very strong lineup in mid game and late game
but definitely can see a world where Heroic
can kind of take over a majority of the map
without mistakes.
No, for sure, but it and that's the thing right the without the mistakes. It is so important
Specifically in this matchup as well against tundra right because tundra as we've seen is a lot of that wins
They are the team that even if you are ahead and you do make just even a little small mistake
Tundra, they will be able to draw the game on they will be able to punish it
They'll be able to take it to the late stages and you will lose against tundra
So heroic we obviously saw in the previous best of three victory that they had started to tackle some of the issues
that were holding them back in some of the group stage games.
But it was still a bit shaky, right?
So we've got to see improvements from that last series
to this series of why they're going to, there's a high chance
they're going to struggle here today against Tundra.
Yeah, I mean, on paper, right, when you look at it like that,
you could say that Tundra could be one of the worst
matchups for Heroic, but on the flip side,
you could say that Heroic has one of the better matchups
for Tundra, depending on how they,
it just all depends on how they turn up, right?
If they play as clean as possible,
their aggressive timing-based gameplay
is very good versus Tundra.
But if they don't play cleanly it's the opposite it actually plays into tundra's hands because then if those mistakes
We'll just play into that mid and late game timing
So we'll see what we do get down as a initially
We didn't I don't know if we saw on camera
But they did use a smoke to try to get a first kill on KJ
All right dust and a smoke didn't get the kill whisper
If they do some good body box yeah white one nice little micro is gonna be able to do it and lost
What what?
He didn't want to take it
He left it for pure but you're to get up. Well that happened. Thank you
He got it. I think I had to hit him with the little
Smasher and the and the slot okay. They didn't want that first blood fault. I thought they had that one
They said no never okay. Never take a kill from your core
Pure now getting turned on himself has very fires to fight back. All right
They might still get a first one if they're gonna go for King John Dawes instead and
And, uh, well, yeah, they're all between certain takings down and, of course, the benefit of the fact that they didn't kill Whisper earlier, but they do keep him very low, uh, on HP, and he is completely out of regen, that was his last tango.
So, even though they didn't kill the Underlord initially, they still get a kill, still in a great spot to start this bottom lane off.
I wanted to talk about these verifiers, to be honest with you. I know it's something like super random, super little. I think I've seen Tundra by the most.
I saw Pure started with two, Whitemon started with two, BZM started with- they're all starting with these fairy fires lately, more than I've seen before.
And Slark absolutely makes sense, and on some of these five positions, right, but pretty interesting, just small thing to point out.
I like it. I mean, I think one of the reasons that might have come into action is obviously like some of the change ups of the cost of like the branches, right?
You know, you can start to look at like, how do I sort of change the build when I'm turning up to the lane with?
And a fair fire always feels great.
Plus two damage, it's a pretty solid health.
And a burst with the 85.
It's a good deal.
It's a good deal.
You pick one up, you take it to lane.
Sometimes maybe that int's like, oh, you didn't expect it.
Some strikes gotta be coming in.
Already dead, though.
33's already got the job done, taking him out.
And he might just live.
Gets very low there to the harassment from the other core,
but 33 will survive.
He's out there to survive.
And also, I mean, I was doing a fair bit as a the other core.
But with the respawn coming in,
will not be able to die for
Kira on that top lane.
So with all things going down on this lane so far,
I mean, how are we looking on CS, you know,
do we sort of have to look out for someone
that might get bullied pretty hard
in one of these matchups early on?
100% a Volker.
Yeah, it's a almost impossible matchup
for Invoker versus Beastmaster.
Even with Fort Spirit, et cetera,
Beast just completely out CS as you can put pressure.
Once you start getting more levels,
you just start kind of, you know,
pressuring the wave and checking for ruins
with your Fort Spirit, but it's, it's,
It's pretty awful to play this matchup.
So, Sunstrike, that's the way BZM will try to catch up at least.
There's already rotations coming in though, KJ is kind of sitting in this area.
Sunstrike!
He almost got him.
Whisper, he actually went for it on him.
As the move bed, King Jungle shows up.
BZM will be quick to get the Icefall down and try and slow them down.
He'll turn with a cold snap on a King Jungle, but won't be able to stop Tylan.
getting in, taking him down with the axes.
So a very nice little rotation to come in there
on the tree from King Jungles,
and one that obviously this early stage, again,
BGM, he can't really do anything to save himself.
You know, he's an Invoker that's having a tough time
in a rough matchup, eight and four, four minutes in,
it's gonna be one of the slower starts
for BGM's Invoker here in this game.
That's something that I'm concerned about
because I think like they can absolutely get some
insane pressure that comes out with this game
with the Auras rallying around the Beastmaster
taking objectives though. If their mid really starts to fall through too much, who do they play around?
Because if the Slark is having the best time, they don't really want to play around the Slark, right?
You need either your invoker or your sentler ideally to have at least some, somewhat of a good time.
So at least we do see 33 with that kill. He's having a pretty good time.
And if you can get off to this Crimson Guard early, it's really strong in this game.
Not so, yeah, the Oris is always going to be massive.
Just see, look, on the mid lane, it's like I'm watching sort of an instant replay.
He's gonna show to the tower enough so this time so King Jungle is not able to get the surprise on BZM this time round
Do they need the surprise though, that's the question
I was just gonna need to go anywhere near the creeps. Yeah, he's having a hold right back up the tier 2
I mean, like is there no point in you don't bring someone over to help him like BGM is that guys?
Am I in this lobby on my own? Where's my T? They're taking my tower. Nobody's helping me. I
I mean it has to be Ari but I guess for them it's the question is just 33
want to just sack to go jungle I think maybe right you might want to have to
bring the hook with you this tower is gonna die so much better
somebody's gonna help the bees have the guys he's on the beast already I
don't see if and if people even TP in they might just feed to the beast because
of us through so maybe just sack it maybe that's just what I guess so it
seems to be the call but yeah bees and getting no help whatsoever this
tower's gone it's 39 13 to 8 CSO and I think that might be the worst this is it is and he might be dead
Tanya's got the Rory Rory's gonna be able to ready but the tornado and he will hold him back so he
can't quick at the cast off still though I mean help him anyway bottom lane they're gonna make the
move for whisper so tundra's just trying to go all in on getting something from these side lanes
and just yeah sacking this mid lane harder than we've ever seen the mid lane sacks before
BZM's getting nothing and he's not getting any help top lane they're gonna try with the first
And we'll be able to bring down Yuma, but 33 is gonna lose his life for that effort
So you can hear BZM not going empty-handed heroic
You can hear BZM in the background they'll be like, please let my son strike at the last hit
It doesn't actually connect again though. So it doesn't get that extra exp at all still level four
Tylon waiting on the sideline going for BZM if he does step up too far
Not gonna be the case though pure is free farming. So that is the biggest thing, right?
The sacrifice that has happened because of the tree moving around this slark is set up for success
It's just it is a slark
So we'll see what he can actually do and if they can actually play around him
It's usually not one that you really play around like we were mentioning and if they're gonna run the double Midas because obviously
Beesie almost get Midas and obviously we see my pure slot build. He also likes to get the Midas as well
true
Possibility seven minutes
They lose the shrine
and a roar
It's gonna be Ari dead, Sunstrike's coming in but I don't know anything going back their way.
Is it an interesting start this one? It is.
It's an interesting start, one that you can't ever feel that Heroka can be quite happy with.
They might even get to charge 33 off here as well as they're moving on.
They've got the slows coming in, Icebar's laid down, that's 33 gone, Tylen gone a killing spree.
And bottom lane Tylen were taken.
you know pure and white one they get the objective. It's gonna be interesting to see how sort of
trying to get their way out of this one. Pure actually looking to dive into tier two. I have to be a bit careful as he's not quite got the XP for level six, he just needs about one more to die down on his bottom lane.
I mean all in all the fact that mid lane's kind of gone out it has gone. It's sort of a wonder that heroic aren't actually more than 1k gold ahead, right?
right. You know, Tundra, they are as a team keeping up despite the fact that Heroic are taking away so much from them and have sort of forced BZM into this position where BZM is going to take a long, long time to recover.
That is true. The experience is also over a thousand though, so it is because the double wisdom that they grabbed that stuff does start to add up. These supports are going to hit six pretty early.
pretty early, but yeah, I mean the bottom lane did do so well that they are almost not not by any means counteracting that but
It's not that bad all things considered. Chen is level five and here's level six
Even though they've been like kind of dualating the entire time and not getting the shrine
So let's see what will result out of that Slark having good time
And if they can I mean maybe if they just keep the lane where BGM is now and they just kind of sit in this area
Near him then he's gonna be able to farm
Yeah
So for Tundra, we know how they like to play it's gonna be I think this one's gonna be one of the more sit-back and farm
Then maybe we've ever seen from time her, but we'll have to see cuz it was like they are just in recovery mode
Yeah, cuz cuz it is it's gonna be the double my just that they're running. Yeah, so
They're gonna there was sort of a moment as you're clicked on pure
You know, he did actually have the diffuser blade queued up third. He did I think he was considering is like
Mine vocals having a really rough time. He's buying a my just maybe I'll have to try and be a bit more aggressive
But they basically go for that same logic that you were just discussing of no, we're gonna farm it up
We want the Midas is we're just gonna somehow get through these tough stages and get to the point where we're gonna be the tundra that
You know, we've been winning these games pretty consistently with so double Midas will eventually be online if heroic
Okay, so heroic they can identify that right if you look if you start grouping up and you start looking at
I'm gonna see Treads Glove
They're gonna see Midas on Invoker too so that for me would be like a gig at go time right you get these auras
Which you probably will it's gonna take some time because this has been pretty shut down
But those auras will compound in terms of how much impact they have when heroes are already weak
It's gonna make them even weaker
But yeah, I think whisper can get that time and if they can't force the issue earth
Is this gonna be a Midas patch on is this what it's gonna develop into honestly?
Even though you rewind a few days. I used to hate it. I gotta be honest
I'm coming around to it growing my life on it. I wouldn't I hate it. I was doing the math strong
You know I was doing the master on this whole sort of thing about okay
You need nearly like 20 minutes what right for to pay off, but of course you
Know and you sell the Midas, so I had the revelation. I'm like it's you get the money back in nine minutes
So it all makes sense everybody needs a modest pundra. They need five not just two anyway top lane
33 easily a ton of fun stamp people have saved and they catch him in the combo
these my they're huge and teams are gonna they could absolutely catch on to it I
think we'll see more I honestly do I used to not understand I used to be lost
but now I found myself the Midlake the brood mother
push back on towards him, BZ ends in the river he's very dead he's still asking
where the team is.
Something that Invoker does not enjoy playing
versus at all is the zoo.
It really is.
The beast plus the spider.
The spider has always been one of the harder counters
versus Invoker throughout, especially early games
throughout all time.
You're seeing right there.
It's just there's not much you can do about it,
especially when you're already behind.
This is going to be an interesting game.
I mean, let's see how it is.
It's a fun one to play.
And just really never let Tundra do a whole lot
once he starts getting objectives
for his Tundra going to stall.
33 and he should be fine. Yeah, tipi's coming into the tier two
Yeah, Bzm. He's ready to help his teammates. So now they might not be ready to help him
But you know Bzm, he doesn't hold that against them Bzm's ready to turn up and make sure no none of the sidelines are punished here around their
Tier, so keep safe. Well, what's going on? There's a catapult there. He just wanted to mitis that catapult
He wasn't there to help 33 but that's because he was to protect the tower. That's because of his own greed
That's because of his team play. He's thinking of the base. He's thinking of defending. He's ready to win
I'll give you that. I'll give you that.
I saw him run past in Midas, it was just pretty funny because 33 was running at it.
So for BZM as well, like in terms of recovery after this Midas, where's he going to go?
Because before he was going for the Midas, he was just going for like this meteor hammer build.
You still won't go back for the meteor hammer even though he didn't go for the rush on it
and he got the, you know, rushed the Midas instead first this game?
Not sure because he's playing the QWAS build. I really don't know.
He's been kind of all over the place when he's done this one.
So I'm really not too sure which way he will go if it's just going to be more standard or if it's going to be...
Yeah.
I want to say... I mean, because this is the thing. The fact that Heroic...
The only one can go ahead.
With all the sort of pressure that they're trying to come out with.
And 12 minutes in...
I feel like that's not as much as they want it to be at.
Especially when you see these two mightices online.
There is definitely a timer that's going to be ticking.
And with every ticket it's gonna be more and more in favor of Tundra.
I would agree on that. I just think that they also, they could wait for a big timing though too, right?
Like the Ag's Beast, I think that's when it's like, okay, now we're gonna see if Tundra just completely gets just destroyed by this or not.
I think they do need that one timing to rally around, if they're here on her own.
That's a lie.
He's gonna cut the set up on the Warf Tile Lungs, they're gonna push right down onto Waterton as well.
They able to burst through the Beast Martyr, they've taken him out.
They will likely lose 33. They'll put the Crimson Garp, but they've got the damage taken out through it, so they'll find the trade, heroic.
Any sort of human traits right now, Tundra...
They'll take that.
They're going to feel very happy with the sort of state of the game and the state of these sort of moves.
Great play from BZM.
Seize the Shield, Bruun. Tornado dispels it. If they don't dispel it, he probably lives.
So a nice move from him to get that extra pressure.
I think Tundra got what they came for. They at least get a trade kill, like you said. They're happy about that if they can go back and use these Midas.
If you can ever get a trade kill with Midas, it's going to be nice.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And like at the moment, right, there's only about 1k gold difference between BZM and Thailand.
You know, if these sort of plays continue, BZM's going to catch up. And yeah, this was an Invoker in a matchup that lost his tower super early, didn't get any help from his teammates,
and it was like being quadrupled in last hits in the matchup, he's recovering.
As I say, you know, heroic. They still need to get that little bit more done at the moment.
Tundra, I think with every step, they're pretty happy right now.
Agreed. I just think, okay, now I think this is where it's coming, right?
Fifteen minutes or so, Manta's gonna be done for Brood,
Ag's is gonna be done for Beast, Underlord will have, I mean, maybe one of these Auras,
maybe the Crimson. I think that will be the big timing for them.
It's just tundra as you said they have acquired a fair bit
They do have that crimson at least to counteract some good damage from this from the heroic site
Well, the heroic is a lot of magic to be fair
We'll at least drop from some of the summons that would be where it's at least on paper
Tundra's team fight looks hard because the Slark doesn't have the fusel
There's any old these auras this brood also having the impact
But let's see because that's just on paper and so far tundra if they're just sitting back and then creeps. They're happy
Let's see what Heroic's move is going to be, they've got to come at Tundra with something
right now, sitting back, it's not going to feel good when they're hitting these key
timings, every key timing they hit they've got to try for something with them.
Yeah, and I think ideally it's around like finding a kill probably the next few minutes
and go for a Roshan, I don't think you want to wait for some tormentor kind of stuff,
if you can just go for a Roshan, your lineup is fantastic at doing it.
Let's see if that is the case because right now, my Intundroid, they're just staying on their side,
minusing up, even pressuring a little on the mid with the Fortress Spirits.
So it'll just be an axe rush for BZM, so standard.
I like that.
So they're talking about this person with the Quasarite with this upgraded ice wall
that's gonna pretty much lay down with this massive area that's gonna be pretty annoying for Herok to fight into, right?
And it does a lot of damage.
I think people actually underestimate how much it does when you have this talent nowadays.
I
Row it and they are getting the timings but again, we're not really seeing them do too much of it there
They seem to be pretty relaxed and I don't know if they do that's sort of the way to do this right now
It might come back to bite them. I
Mean, yeah, it's unless they really do look I mean tundra. You could see right there. Ari was pinging the Roche
I think he's thinking the same thing that I was thinking that okay
They're gonna accelerate they're getting timings. We have double Midas. We imagine they're gonna look to punish us
but are they going to punish or are they really just content with the farm?
In terms of what Yumi's timing after the manter, as you say you're going for this BKB,
if they're really sort of going to take the approach of what we're going to
went to, Yumi's got his BKB, that's still going to take a fair bit of time
until he does have that one done.
And maybe that is the call. Maybe it waits for double BKBs,
the beast ends up root so that they actually can play versus the invoker because now that
that he's getting levels his spells are gonna be annoying I guess I guess that's
the cause they aren't they're literally not even attempting to make a move but
the complete split no grouping up just all focused on the farm right now on on
heroic side of the map oh this is an itch I mean we've had a lot of very
chaotic games me and your own but everyone is playing their own game this
looks like a pop everyone is just doing their own thing look centaur top
Shen jungle suddenly jungle everyone just doing their own thing
All right, well, okay, we'll see how it plays. I'm look what's the other I'm curious. Yeah, because I
Was the concern is for a row it
If when they do finally go for a fight and it does not work out
You know that sort of when that one moment comes where they are, you know happy to group up and go and they lose that fight
The game's just gonna get so hot
If they lose that but what if they just the thing is like maybe they just feel hey
Well, I'm just stronger and then they close it up. It could be absolutely if they build up to that one fight
Take the Roche take the tier twos then it's gonna be like, okay
You know her wrote they got it down to a tee and you're exactly when their strongest moment was to strike
We'll see we'll see what we'll sort of decision they make when it comes to that and if it does end up looking like that
they might have missed the moment to really sort of punish Tundra.
Because their lineup just looks, when you see it all together,
it is a very strong teamfight lineup as 5.
So like Tundras is strong too, it is still greedy.
And I'm still like, are they even going to have damage
when they do group up in 5 versus this Crimson Pipe potentially of the Underlord too?
They'll have their own, at least Crimson, but...
Yeah, I'm curious to see how this is going to go down.
This is really interesting.
So it looks like it is the call.
They're going for PKBs on Heroic,
and then that's going to be when they look to smash things, so...
So you hide like heroic, they want to defend this tier one. They'll let us tower down.
At least from what it looks like from the way they've been playing for the last seven minutes.
So 1k gold for that BKB, at least on the army, both of them.
600 for the brood, 1k for Tylon.
And then they probably will have pretty... not close to the fight actually for the fight.
And then now let's see, tormentor or roche fight.
this is interesting or the opposite of interesting
because they're both doing creeps. I mean it's a big sort of hit the creeps right now for both teams.
So other thing too is this ice wall I did want to talk about this a little bit too is it farms really fast
I think also people are starting to realize how much it does you can double pull camps together stack them and then ice wall
with the ice walks really nice so he is maximizing pretty efficiently on pzm
see if they can get something down in a tundra they are now getting to the point where
they're happy to be proactive you know they've sort of got their items you know beyond the
midasers you know pure well on the way towards the agonims over the midas and the defuse or
push what he's gonna miss well they're off the mark there from re so they won't quite be
be able to set up onto Whisper in the mid.
Does force out, as you know, the TP ends up getting canceled
from Heroic.
Heroic, they've got the site set on the mid,
coming in with the smoke move and this amplified damage
on Ty Lung.
But BZM's playing it smart, he's backing away.
He's got to stick around for these camps.
So we'll see if Heroic still find him around this point.
They might.
They're close.
Can they get the opening?
Let's try to get the angle.
Yeah, they're not going to quite sort of have
the information getting close enough.
Unless he steps back out, BZM's in such a dangerous point.
He's got it.
Yeah, the Ice Path's going to get him.
The Eloquor able to trip him up nicely there with the Ice Path.
They'll take BZM down.
Roche time.
Did they run directly to it?
I imagine so.
And they shall.
Tundra tries to make...
Honestly, I think this move on Whisper is pretty unlikely to even work
if they catch everything on him.
He is immensely tanky.
He's very tanky here with us.
Yeah.
So they won't be able to get this Roche.
There we go.
They're going to conflict just a small little kill.
See where they go from there?
They literally have all their timings, so...
Alright, so this is it, this is it, right? This is Eroic starting to get the ball rolling.
This is what they were building up towards.
This is when we're going to start to see them, as you say, not just get the Roche, but really start to use that upon, as they have against Tundra.
Yeah. Okay, top though, Tundra is setting up for the Tormentor. They should be able to at least deny that one away from Eroic, so we'll gain them some economy.
And Chen gets it. It's a nice one. This game actually in particular just around through the Oras, through those extra creeps.
Yuma's farming very fast too. I do have to give him that. So they are prompting Yuma and he's getting a good separation between him and the Slaar. Just 3k ahead.
That one?
I'll just shield him, he has BKB and Aegis.
I'm not sure if he wants to really set up on BZM, then he might try, but I'll have time
to go for this, but Tylen have to deal the call by his side, push right full hold, back
the two of them, I should put the BKB here and then attempt to try and chase down BZM,
Tylen has to close the gap, get him with the brawl.
BZM is gone, nice BKB usage there from Tylen, knows that by just dodging the tornado
So alone, he would have the chance to close in and catch that invoker.
Hey, Haroks, the game plan is working, because overall for Tundra, they can't really make
aggressive moves too.
This is why Underlord is just honestly looking like a pretty broken hero right now in terms
of the pro meta.
It's just so difficult for you to make an aggressive move because he just pops this
portal down, joins, pops the aura, and you see they're too tanky, and then you
have to have the number advantage in most situations.
I long
looking to pressure bottom now as well 4k lead
has been built up just 100 still farming but now starting to see the
problem
try to fight
he's been jumped does my shadow down so fast if you can break away from the
man of gold comes out from why mom pure on the run
get away tornado comes in from BGM on some more despite the trying
first through Yuma. He's able to live. He'll get out of there. Pure's got to run now, pulling
incredibly low. They might just have to move 33 behind it, as 33 will be taken out. Aroic,
very nice maneuvers there to keep Yuma alive. They got so close to 100 to bring it down the
spot, but Yuma survives. They can continue with the 300, they won't continue with the defense here
around the tier 2 tower. They're going off towards Pure, they've caught him at the front
of the fight, he's dead. No buyback as well on him, so he can't even look to some sort of
cute play to try and turn this one around, he's dead for 50 seconds, the push is gonna continue
to come in. Heroic, the patience that they have this game, it looks like they knew exactly when
to strike. On an instant strike, a moment too early this game, they waited until they had this
sort of power spike and they're taking these tier 2s, they're bringing these fights now,
now, which is seemingly impossible for Tundra to fight into, it was, you know, a calm start
from a road, but it's all starting to make sense now.
Absolutely.
And I'm liking the itemization.
I do really want to talk about this as well, too, is the supports aren't building for
themselves, right?
They're building solar crests.
They're building four steps.
They're looking to protect these super strong cores.
They're obviously, they're playing this as a, it's a very team approach.
It's not some individual kind of thing, even though we saw them all separate farming,
now we're seeing the heroic game plan all kicked together.
Let's see if Tundra can actually mount the defense first, because we saw there, they almost burst Yuma,
but that was actually kind of lucky the way that they chain-sequence the stuns. It's not that easy to do that.
Now here comes the push down the mid.
All right, let's see how far they sort of can take this momentum that they're built towards now.
6k lead, taking the towers away from Tundra, ready to start knocking on the tier 3, he's here at the high ground.
Still a minute left on the Aegis for Tyla, a fortification out from Tundra.
How do they hold this? They have no teamfight really. On the side of Tundra.
Starts to sharpen the numbers and of course a rog to back off.
Nice decisive hit by Haraj. Very decisive teamfight. It's a good pressure play. I mean
first-aid just usage I think you'll take that absolutely good sequence of kills
shut down the tongue of even attempt to make a move on to you to back up reset
look to acquire those next few items an agonist about to be done for whisper
we already saw the zone control would use able to do in the team fight this one
just makes the hero I mean even more broken than it already is heroes just
can't move for your double-stocker
that. Yeah, I mean, it's
definitely working out so far.
And again just seems very, very
well controlled. They literally
didn't. There was no sort of
feeding or like accidental
plays or this coordination at
the start. It was literally
that she said just them in the
creeps. They didn't go a moment
too soon. Everybody was on the
exact same page. Now that
was important thing when
you're doing that in the
other game right for a right.
It wasn't like that. Some of
So kind of pick offs complete farm until this point where they get online 20 more
You know 20 or so minutes in whatever it was when they started to make these sort of plays
And now we're starting to see that this sort of patience and approach
Might be enough to run tundra over tundra aren't too careful
I just keep fights with 40 chests of comparison to her oaks
They have to do some crazy
King jungles nicely slides in there with a forced up one of the overclocks to stop the TPF BZM
If the roar coming in, Han of course is going to be used to try and heal BZM up, but he's surrounded by Heroic.
BZM will fall.
Heroic continue to just roll them up right now.
They might be able to just continue steamrolling through.
Like just every single one of these teamfights looks impossible.
There's no damage really on the set of Tundra now versus this Underlord.
BZM spells are pretty weak. He's bottom of the core is now and the Slark overall.
It's a Slark. This hero does not deal damage early. It takes very long fights for him to do so.
So I'm a gem, so looking to at least counteract some of this vision that's coming out from the tree.
But there's a Corellic is honestly perfectly in their element.
And for Tundra, I'm trying to think what the next item, I feel like all the items makes it fall just based on what Pyrr can get in order to deal that damage in the fight.
I'm just I'm not really seeing how BZM is able to recover in this game
Because he's gone for the cost build rather than the Exord so his damage isn't gonna improve too much
We're gonna be about that utility in terms of
Helping out the Slark and then you add Slark first the world versus some pretty strong cores
So we'll say we'll see how Tundra can re-evaluate things
Refresher on Tai Lung
King Junkers is saying if he could maybe steal away the wisdom. It's not gonna be the case though. We're not want to reveal his position
Does get some good scouting information though knows exactly where BGM is
I really have anyone
just
I'm sure the rest of us seem to get caught out.
I think for a real like they just wait for that next rush and then look for the fight around it.
Either fight first or just commit it to the rush, Tundra.
The other big timing they found.
Blink on the centaur, so now they actually do have a way to catch a target perhaps and get that chain stun that they need in order to pop one before BKB.
But again, not easy because of how tanky they are.
And soon a butterfly actually on the brood, so, uh oh.
Yeah, that's crazy.
The lack of damage is just...
Master of this game. Him and Tylong.
Having that lead against their respective cause on Tundra's side.
There's the smoke.
They get the catch.
That just goes straight away for whoever they find. Got that charry.
That's the lead on the macro player. They want that hoopling gone.
This guy's Beastmaster might have to be...
Even though everyone else is losing with it, it might be something you don't want to play against a lot too.
They just played really well around him.
Had a phenomenal start in the lane, I mean, I feel like we've definitely seen this Beast
Masters giving Invoker a tough time to match up before, but this was a really tough time.
And it wasn't against any old Invoker, it's against BZM's Invoker, you know, Tylen
was able to just, he absolutely smashed that match up.
Ah, sure, okay, he did have a plus one tree behind the tower.
he did smash the match up but yeah it was an extra painful situation I guess you
could say sure okay so he's done this one before we've seen him go for this
build actually he cured the agonies three times now right this game and then
pivoted away from it so looking to go for the octurine so I mean it's all about
insanely long team fights but again doesn't look they're given the
opportunities for these long team fights once less than they even got
to kill but it's been 30 minutes and that's the beginning of the game
it's definitely been a while yeah this 20 minutes made games been
Very very nice done by her up
I long was gonna cut the trees. He's here. They're gonna find him
It's five BGM in the tree line Thailand
Excellent jump from him King Jong-Gro thinking about seeing if you're in control onto pure dark patch shoes
He's gonna try to keep people they can stop it over growths at the ready. That's the mid in the carry dead folks
You know they may be farming on but that that feels like it's about it
Like if the net worths continues to stay around that's one to six K or whatever it is
But yeah, it really just truly feel like I don't know when Tundra actually can fight versus this lineup
There's a fighter flying out to the remission for Yuma all the timings are hidden. They're just getting stronger
Well, I don't feel like I don't think Tundra is getting that much stronger. I gotta be honest
I think they're kind of stagnating
No, it's it's this is I'd say yeah
I'd be one of the the most impressive performance you've seen from a row
You know at the start we're all kind of like sitting there be like, okay
Where's this gonna go and then bam they show us and it's looking great. It's looking great
It's looking like they've played this, you know, this specific line up of heroes a million times before like the timings that they're working around
After that initial sort of hey, let's just hit the creeps get get this sort of you know
To kind of what in some cases three items online before they really started to make the moves
Like they're hanging tundra was something that tundra
seemingly can't slow them down
At all during these buttons
Pretty much, yeah. It really is kind of picture-perfect play, and I will highlight it again, right?
I love the animizations. It's not like they're too crazy by any means, right?
But I'm just very glad that supports, they went full support route, right?
Four stabs, they went shards, soul decrest, etc. They're not going up agonies, anything like that.
They were able to play like this. They didn't need to go immediately.
Dylon is gonna get himself a free beat.
He's out of control. 7-1 to 7. He's done this before.
I actually want to know who's KDA on Beastmaster. I should probably look that up.
I think his KDA is probably some record level of stuff going on.
Even the games they lost, I think he didn't die some.
Or PZM?
Ooh, he was on the hunt there.
That's a good idea.
I'm just getting spotted out.
Tormenter, let's go to go to a roic.
Shell up the pelical.
I'm just looking to try to just get something.
But there's always a fiends gate to bring the rest of the team.
Let's go to the roic.
not an easy move for Tundra
Okay, they're gonna look
Going on to Yuma is like
And a pretty impossible task with the Aegis to butterfly and BKB man to like you're not killing this brood
He's 33 armor and you know if you have the Underlord orders around him
I don't think you have the chance to kill him
This brood is having an insane game so far
Yuma is just you know farming at a pace that nobody's able to keep up with
I tie that with your tie lungs up. I love because I'm any objective of things
But outside of that, you know, nobody on time just said anywhere close to the farm that you missed a mount on this brood mother carry
Now Tyrone has boss to so anybody there's a plus one every single time
All right, we'll poke you don't care
Sounds gonna be gone
It's got the money flash as well
There's just a fully auto it looks like hundreds of I think there's there's you know usually sometimes you're like, okay
What's playing there's plain a there's plain B. There's plain C. I'm not seeing the plan B or C right now
That's what the plan B was to go kind of this double minus route. That's not it's not working out
true
It truly is not
Jim oh
Oh nice try Tylong he tried to make the croaker stunned him there by summoning the floor
Good attempt
Pressure on all fronts a tree inside the base now too so they can see some vision up to the high ground
11k lead
We've asked for patience for days for so many days of the best of ones from heroic and look at this pick like this is
Yeah, this is the definition of patience and control.
The improvement.
And like that's the thing, I feel like other days with Heroic, they might have this sort
of advantage and control on the game and you're still kind of worried they're gonna
let it slip away.
I know, so it's something different about today.
I'm looking at the way they've played this so far.
I don't think they're gonna let this one slip away, Fogged.
Like everything that's been done at the moment makes a lot of sense and Tundra
is struggling.
I mean, they're doing nothing. They can't do anything, to be honest.
Can't make any moves on the map. BZM is trying to ghost walk around, but eventually might just get caught.
See if they can sense that he's around.
Oh my God.
Could be fine.
There's a gem tree.
Oh, last true king jump.
Hello.
Let's go inside on him.
BZM is going to try and get through the twin gate, but the ghost goes there.
Talon's able to boost his travel to over to Wardsim and lay down the roar.
He's the walking ward.
I'm going to try and turn towards Yuma, but he has to shout it on some run, has to immediately
evaporate from the area and just get away from the spider.
I'm never seeing a world where Yuma is worried about the fish.
The spider is way scarier than the fish.
You see him hitting him, it does zero damage, the spider is destroying the fish.
Spiders are scarier than fish, I will say.
Here, uh, I don't know if it's a high ground.
Still got a minute on this Aegis.
Yuma's ready to bring the damage in, takes tier three down.
So what's Hunter's gonna do?
Look at the try and make a move on the mid.
See if they can burst through Whisper.
Whisper's got backup coming in.
Thailand's ready to head over and help out.
Here, little here.
What the Shadow does, he's getting a fair few SSH stacks
built up that it's not enough.
Because at the same time, Yuma's still taking away the base.
And Yuma, he's got a full official plate now in line.
takes away the top melee racks. Tundra, they just can't make a move right now. They can't make a
move. They're trying to get these pick offs, trying to go for anyone, but indeed it has been
minutes. It feels like hours since they've been able to kill anyone. 20 minutes, literally, 20
minutes since they've gotten a single kill. They try to go for the underlord, but I actually
really like Whisper. He goes for the BKB 2 bites and another plate mount. He's at 40 armor.
There's no moves. There's really like no moves they can make it up here.
Can he play his way out of this one?
I'm just gonna try and have a nose. They come in with the roof.
They've got the roll. The Abyssal pure dead again. Out for 75 seconds.
This is not an issue.
I heroic have literally played this one to as, I mean, as patient and perfect as you probably can.
Whisper is actually still not the first level 25 in the game. Wait, what?
How did he beat Tylenk 25?
and the brood. What's the health? I guess he's just farming and just portaling in all the time, but still.
Dude, I mean, they're right. They're looking scaring today. They really are. I mean, you've got,
okay, so you've got heart centaur and crimson to stall the push,
but can you actually kill heroes and prevent them from actually going for this end?
It's a good block, so minus 165 per hit, but they're still by-fasting it.
I mean, yeah, there's just so much damage right now.
It's gonna be the tier 3 gone, and at the same time, you've got the problem that Yuma's
taking the mid-racks.
33's gonna try and jump from the back.
Who stops?
But Tyler makes the move forward to get the Bastion in on to more 33.
33 has to be forced back to safety, but the bottom racks, they're pretty much
gone.
And if BZM will be able to hold back Yuma with the tornado, take out the Roche banner as well, so a little bit of a slowdown to the push.
But the next push, he's going to come in even harder. Wisp is just picked up a full AC.
Maybe they all just picked up like two or three thousand gold. Four hacks he saw there from Tylong finished up.
He's about to hit 25 himself, so it looks like they'll back up, pick those up, be as careful as possible.
And you can see Tundra can't mount the defense at all even when they're doing the split-pushing the bruise on the mid lane
The rest are on the bottom. They can't even punish one of them. They don't even hurt them. They don't tickle them
They have air impressive to see heroic stepping it up like this and yeah, I get great itemization
I for Tundra. I feel like maybe you go for some type of last hurrah outside the base
I think if they set up and they get onto you
There's just no hope coming back. So I think you just have to do something crazy now
You're seeing the problems.
It's just hard to go for these moves right now.
I mean, for obvious reasons, it's for seeing the last 25 minutes or so.
I mean, just the fact they've got so many global ways to respond,
right, between the fiends gate,
between having the boost of travel 2 on Ty Lung.
Now, if you do make a move on to someone, Tundra,
you've got to be prepared to deal with a lot of backup coming in very quickly.
Every single time now at this point, yeah.
Okay, so it's pure. He did get the Flayers' bot, I mean,
which is actually one of the best, by far the best,
literally could have gotten in this game for the Slark.
So I mean let's see if that makes the difference. I'll see incredibly uphill battle for them
But any small things they can gain see if it does have any impact
Looks like at least not for now as the fight does not kick off pure is also
About to be seen by these spiders. They actually did not see him somehow
They walked right past
They're going to head down to the bottom side to have another smoke between them.
They see BZM.
They see BZM on this ward.
This deep ward.
Oh, they are sprinting at him.
Look at Tylong.
He's got double raw, double hacks.
He's easily able to get through that Lincoln Swear.
So many options to throw down onto the wall.
the m takes him out pretty much so low pretty perfect game from them pretty
good mistakes I want to say yeah this is you know this is if they can keep this
sort of level of play after my goodness teams are gonna struggle against them
This is looking so well refined.
Against a Thunderbolt team.
A team that's in top of the groups.
They look terrifying, but not here today in this game one.
That's 33, enough to stamp each to run away.
Everyone get him out of there. He's dead.
The Mid-Rack's taken.
And that's the Mega Creep South.
Super President.
They're going to be able to move on to the Tier 4s.
Yeah, it's gonna try and jump forward.
See if they can bring together some sort of fight, maybe even get some sort of kill.
Because they just have to be able to.
Everyone's full health.
How many stacks did he get? He got, what, 26 stacks and everybody didn't, nobody even took damage.
They just crimson blocked it up with the Atrofiora from the Underlord.
Okay, and now it's Magus and Roshan's respawning.
So, Harok, they can back up, wait for that Roshan engagement, pick up 7000 gold worth of items on the Barude.
It's a more boot to travel to why not whisper picks one up for himself to
And again, we're getting there right it's nearly gonna be 30 minutes since times we got a kill yep
Literally that is I don't think I feel like I just rarely ever seen a team do this where they clearly had this game plan
Where they waited until they they were absolutely sure they're ready to go and then once they got it going
They don't lose a single hero. Nobody dies.
That's how perfect their read on this game was
on when they start to make plays as a team.
That they lose no one.
Nobody's getting left behind on her own.
Not even the support's getting caught.
I think it's not quite clever and quite smart
that they did wait for the,
like obviously you can see the result of it,
but just waiting for the BKBs.
There's an invoker who already had no game,
has to go minus.
He's lying into a pipe under Lord
and then double BKBs at his first engagement.
It's on paper you look at and you're like how the hell's the PCM play after that point, right?
And you can see, so far, I mean, heroic.
Yeah, picture perfect stuff.
I don't know what, forgetting all the ways to push back in, and get the soul mentor again.
Really make them suffer as long as possible, Steve.
The AUI way, right?
Make them have the least fun possible, make them suffer as much as possible during your win.
I mean, absolutely. We actually heard in the interview earlier about BZM, right?
You know, he said he's kind of careful with how much he plays Invoker,
because he wants to make sure that he always has fun playing it.
This game ain't going to help contribute towards the fun side of things.
Yeah, no, they saw that, they're like,
okay, we've got to make sure that he does not find it fun to play Invoker anymore.
And after this game won, it's not going to feel fun for him.
This has been a rough one for him and the team.
That's something they probably will look at as...
something they need to fix if they do want to get a museum invoker early on,
give them either a better link or help them.
You know, they didn't really help them either.
They did not.
They left them completely alone on the island, so...
And he's still here, they're in the comms.
You can still hear him go,
Team!
Team!
Bottom!
Was he pure?
Make the jump on the Tylon down bottom.
BKB is gonna go for the TP out.
Pure at the moment, no way to stop that.
So Tylon will be able to retreat, Meroic they've got all three waves of course pushing in with the mega creeps.
Fendi3 will try for a bit of a jump.
And Pure's trying to get at least some stacks built up before a team fight potentially something like that but
it's so hard versus these multiple global players in at this deficit.
I think 30k lead almost.
Arcane rune top.
That's also a 25.
Look at the jump.
The only call.
They're going to find him.
Finally after 30 minutes,
Tungra do get a kill.
Can they get anything more with this?
Now look towards Yuma.
Of course, Yuma's got the ages.
She's going to be ready for round two.
Wisp is able to get the catch on to 33.
33.
Ever to slide out of the route.
Here with the force coming in from the teammates.
Overgrowth still walks down the two of them.
force coming in from his teammates, Overgrowth still walks down the two of them, and Tyler
and Yuma, they're moving up to 33, Raw's there to control the centaur, they'll bring 33 down.
See what they can turn up for more here. Towards BZM, the backshoots coming in from Yuma,
BZM will be able to push them back with a deafening blast. There's a chance to set
out. Tyler's still continuing with the chase. On the back here, he's going to get caught
by the Abyssal. Shadow dances at the ready as he tries to attempt to stand his ground
against Yuma, but again Yuma still has the Aegis at the ready, he's going to be back for round two.
Hades comes in to play on some more pure, because pure get out of her in time,
BZM gives him a bit of safety with the tornado coming into control.
Heroi allows Pure to jump away, now Pure's going to try and turn back in, but Yuma,
BKB's at the ready. Has to be a little careful with the stacks building up on the slug.
There's going to be the flyback coming from 33, they have to punish the stacks.
He's going to be able to get back in with the Pounce on some more Yuma.
Yuma in trouble now they're starting to round Tundra,
they'll be able to take the spider down a second time.
The rest of them had to back off, King Jungle's able to TP out just in time.
Tundra after 30 minutes or something, they get a kill, and then they get a big point to follow up.
They take the Aegis out of the hands of the spider, they kill Yuma off.
Finally, they find a little bit of a break, an opportunity in what had been up until that point.
A pretty perfect 30 minutes of Dota from Heroic.
Tundra, they find a little bit of a punch back.
It was actually just pure versus the world right getting in and out of the fight to resetting
I believe four times I saw at least three shadow dances, and I think two depth struts
casted maybe only one depth shot but either way it's over over 70 seconds that he's jumping
in and out of the fight so he did get up to 60 stacks or so so could see start to
see at least his damage really start to rack up there but they did get attached at the
start of everything they're doing so they did so did you care with the linebacker?
Yeah none of yeah but very very nice play from pure how he weaved in and out of
fight as such to ensure that he could go about in a way to finally bring down this big scary
spider take humor out of the game and get this massive kill.
It's a literally as pure.
Everyone throw your boss on pure and hope that he can do it, right?
They're throwing the lacqueries on him, they're throwing Lotus, anything that they can pretty
much throw onto him so he can build up those stacks.
And it really was, yeah, just playing around small things.
If he gets even caught by one abyssal into Hex into Roar, he's just gone, so.
He's going for Scotty next.
So I'm looking for more stats rather than going for the true strike.
So still we'll have to worry about the butterfly, but we can see if the fight can rank up that long.
For him, he still has a chance. A small one, but a chance.
See, for a roach, you know, when that sort of death happens,
especially after you've had, again, this 30 minutes where everything looked as clean as it could possibly be,
you can't help but wonder if there's maybe gonna be a little bit of the
flashbacks running through their minds to the many games that just slip away
from them before perhaps some might be strong here today
Thailand's done something pretty interesting here so do want to talk
about a little bit of build he went yasha kaya and he went the no axes
cooldown so not only the the animation of your roar might catch people off
guard right the faster cast speed I think that's kind of cool this is
something like Slark which is nice but also axes are gonna start adding up so
this is a cool pivot usually I've almost no one seen nobody take this
anymore so
can't pure do it I mean pure versus the world can that mean it's it
bring this one back yeah this is let's see this is gonna be proof we'll see
Can't make a single mistake it feels like I'm a star not one not even one little
I miss them all can just guy game over can't just die. Absolutely
And yeah, but both time definitely makes a big difference and bonus night vision
I should have pointed out the alert as well too. It does help the start picking shoes how he wants to go in and out
Okay
Let's see. There's also an cart now as well
So an X now now he actually can make a mistake if 33 is there to bail him out with the positioning
And imagine heroic probably wait for the next rush right?
Patrol around a ward if they can get a catch around a word if not. Yeah, wait for the way for the rush
They're still acquiring quite a bit here. I see that the olacor has a hex now also so more tools more disabled through the slark
They're all queuing hacks actually whispers queuing a hacks
I think the tree also I saw queuing a hack so they're killing like triple four triple hexes at least
That is the way to close this down right? Yeah, if one of them can catch pure around these dark packs
With the hex they will find the key to closing the game
Because he's the only one dealing dealing damage. Let's be honest
The broker at this point is just a buff and like a buff in a debuff right?
He's debuffing the enemies while buffing up the slots that you can really do
do all that damage yes looks like it's gonna just be wait for 20 seconds brush
yeah wait for a brush see how long the respawn is gonna be
I'm going to be a slightly shorter respawn.
Roll it.
See?
It's a long one.
Couple of minutes.
I'll have to wait for a potential brush.
That means they're just going to farm up that item, right?
So Hex will be done from Whisper.
agonist for Theo before that ends up being finished up and for Tundra, maybe Whitemon
can get the aggs online. I've been waiting, I've been watching his eye, his network kind
of build up too, I've been waiting for him to get closer and closer. Isn't that a pretty
ridiculous one? We did see, you know, snaking, used it a couple times in the last few
tournaments as well too. It can be pretty obnoxious.
Yeah, it can be pretty, yeah. It's pretty cool. You barely get to see it, right?
You really don't really get to see it, you know.
I will say, I did have a pop game where Chen got an axe, and then it crashed the server.
So let's say that doesn't happen here.
That would suck.
Yeah, that would.
Level 25, Pure has hit it.
So we mentioned the Shadow Dance, but how much it did earlier.
Now you've got six second durations of it, so it's got, I mean, some pretty strong
uptime as well.
And how far is he off the edge of 1,000 gold off the axe one more pretty close. We will get it. Yeah
Man the heroic nightmares maybe I guess it's still comfortable, but the hurt my nightmares they had they had games like this
That's the thing well, they have they have the group stage in particular
We had games where they literally had exactly this pretty much they were they had mega advantage
They had like 20 something cold skate cold lead and then
But it's like, I don't know if I've ever seen a team lose a game that will have had a period
of the game in which, you know, literally 30 minutes, they made no mistakes, they didn't
lose a single hero, they'd get Megatron.
Like, when does a team that goes through that lose a game, that's going to be insane.
Very true.
Nylon tries to go for the jump, but there was a ward placed from Whitemon, they didn't
see it initially coming, good reaction from Pure.
reverse the world
Guys to rush get the rush here for a roic
It's a very many these roaches are obvious. It always is very impactful up to but very impactful when your rude mother has
Four activatable items as well to in case he wants to have ages closer to a good start
man the bloodthorn of this will be kbs
time to take note of
Not gonna make it in time though. That's marching for this
Kingdom position to sort of block this up
Very chance gone. He's just gonna be picked up by Yuma and indeed he's gonna take it all
He's got the refresh trees got the cheese. He wants everything here on the spider
I'm gonna actually able to walk away
I thought that Kurok is maybe just gonna try to force going on somebody because they did see BZM inside of the base
But not many that can be the case
And damage is up top. I don't know if anyone spotted that one
I'll see if Whisper sort of spots it on the way down if he makes the move over.
Tundra they're not going to be able to get a jump onto heroic outside of the base right
now.
Heroic.
They're the ones smoked up.
See if they catch anyone on Tundra heading out, yeah buyback stays are going to be
so important now at this point in the game.
Pretty much everybody.
Yeah just 33 that's short on the gold.
They're going to get the catch on him.
Those of course three just seem to have to buy back available.
I was greedy, I guess maybe trying to get vision out before the fight or something like that, getting a different angle.
That is 70 seconds. Might be forced to buy.
Everyone's important, any little thing, low disorbs on the pure, etc. Like all the...
Ooooooh, that was his aghanims!
So no aghanims for the Chen!
For three minutes!
Whisper has bought a moon shard.
They want to close this out.
They're ready to try and end it. We'll see the defense ticking now for time.
I did the setup on the West Coast, forced the BKB off from MQ.
He's gonna go straight over, watch the other core first.
Sunstrap coming in, that's the Jakiro, dead.
Now burst through the other core.
So if I can turn for more, Yuma puts the BKB.
He's gonna turn towards 33.
33 of it.
Get away here with the cart.
Heroic.
I'm feeling a bit worried since they lost their Jakiro just like that.
Looks like they're backing up and waiting for him.
Here's Hume Ford. He's going for that cursed Titan fogged.
The divine ratio. He did. He's been thinking about this moment. I mean, it's a scary moment.
Let's see if he does it. I mean, if they don't close his standoff
This is gonna be one of them
This is gonna be devastating for them more than devastating to lose this game if they've played so perfectly for so long within it
And it looked like they solved all of the problems that they were dealing with over the
You know some of the previous series in the groups
It's also all it it's like a four protect one really too, right?
So it's like if you end up losing to this the Slark who's buffed up from his allies
Oh
Pyrrhenys to blow on his hands a little bit get that sweat off because he's really about to get in the zone
Or is he oh wait a minute here. What is he testing just connected sounds before?
What's he going for next thing he's got a lot of money in the bank still could buy himself the moonshade
Still could obviously eat the acronyms
Get another right and picked up in that slot and still sell the treads potentially get something
So he's still got room to grow pure here. He does coming up. BGM also five minutes in
Yep, I mean there's a farming like the Midas isn't really kicking in
The thing is
There's many things can can you go for this rapier and then BKB blink hit the ancient
What if they can force a glyph I don't know if they can somehow force a glyph the game will just it explode right because they
Can fully commit for it, but there's a vision guard
Sure, but there's absolutely nothing to go through the BKB right
They don't have any bashes or missiles like he can freely hit the ancient right if he BKB's
Yes, but houses. I mean if he has the rapier then yes his damage will bypass the crimson, but the crimson's gonna be blocking it
I want to know precisely how many hits does it require from him to do the maths.
Okay with the armor, 23 armor times.
Well we'll see if we get a chance to do the maths.
They're going to come for the push right now.
He's going for it! He's going for it!
He's going to try!
Not really that much, they got a look for kills instead.
Now turn around BZM, BZM's getting healed up though.
The Hicks comes in to bring BZM down.
BZM will buy back 33, we'll also, boys, we'll just go with the buyback available.
The fortification comes out.
They got the Glyph out. Now what do they do with the back?
Oh, that was sort of off the back of this.
They're gonna try and hit the ancient again.
They're just gonna get out of this game, hit the ancient.
Can they close this?
They're trying, Wispers bring it to the damage.
They've done it. They've killed the ancient.
They've won the game. Heroic will take game one.
56 minutes, my goodness. Honestly, they probably still feel pretty okay, but maybe a little bit of
sweat started to build up. A little bit. It still was pure versus the world. You still needed my
literal one and a half minute of free attacking to kill the two targets. Whoo. What a game. Pretty
exciting. Absolutely. Absolutely. That was a very fun one to watch right up to the end because
of that. That final little question mark of whether Tundra might actually be able to hold
against Harrowick, but they couldn't. Harrowick getting better and better each day that we're
seeing at them here at last down to six. They'll take game one here, the best of three against Tondra.
Well that is what made it interesting, well at least definitely interesting for us to talk about
because Harrowick, they have fallen to the perils of all innings and losing a game. They've fallen
to the perils of delaying the game and still losing, but this time around Quinn,
They find that sweet spot they're able to delay it just long enough to be able to get megas all in and hit that ancient
I'm very impressed with them. I think throughout the entire game. They played very solidly
It's not a perfect game by any stretch of the imagination
But it is a very good game where they did a lot of good stuff
They have the right idea a great draft that I think is tailored for them and against tundra
I'm impressed with them across the board and like you said, they were able to close it out at the end
Which is a hurdle that we've seen them many times fall victim to
It's just refreshing because, again, Heroic is starting off to talk to Nell.
They feel like they have an idea and they want to execute it, and they can do that.
And in this game, I feel like Tundra to beat them, you need to find a minute mark and go,
right, we break them at this minute mark, and then they default to split push, to farm,
to scaling, wait for the late game, and Heroic found it so quickly in the game
that Tundra just weren't getting any kills. A lot of these highlights will just be six kills on the scoreboard,
and fast forward to another clip. It might be six, then they go to a seven.
You know, it's like really awkward for Tundra throughout this game that they just aren't able to do anything
And that's how you beat them. You need to make them second guess how they want to execute their lineup
Yeah, this game is just I mean, it's all heroic
I think even when you look at it from like a strategic standpoint like it's so much easier to play the draft that they did
Whereas Tundra, I don't like if I would go through this entire game
I don't know if they made like a single good like team fight or like even an effort in a way
I think they were like very afk in a way that they play so I would expect them to absolutely change it up for the next game
but heroic a very good early game super good mid game
I like these heroes they ended up getting for themselves the way they moved
Yeah, honestly, this looks like one of their best games was a tournament
But they almost had to play afk on the side of tender of course as a fine line was sometimes you can be that too much
But BGM really got rolled in mid like let's be real. We've never seen BGM lose mid lane
I
Want to say even ever and then on top of that your slot is also going on my days too
And we know 33 loves to farm so now you kind of just have three cores that either have to or that's what they like to do
No white mongold sorry
Even in this game he like find something sorry, no, no, please
I'm gonna be able to flame white I was holding on to that one that the one zero six in this type of game
But that is so impressive
But no, yeah, I feel like for tundra when you have the invoker
He is kind of getting dole aimed right with the tree and then even later on like
It's just an awkward matchup for him
But yeah, that's like the Slark's build again. We'll touch on that later isn't really trying to play for the fight
He's playing for this bit push sentels playing for split push chens
Everyone's playing for split push and you just see it so quickly and how they're they're looking at the game at like 15 minutes
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a really nice adaptation for King jungles to just say screw this underlord lane
I'm going mid. I think it's not a play that many people would make that early in the game
And it's the correct one because you can't play through this underlord into Slark, right?
But you can enable your Beastmaster who's gonna be snowballing you see he comes minute like three something
Which is way earlier than anyone comes with it. They get a really good kill and sure is underlord is sitting under tower
Not doing anything, but it's okay because he's under the wooden snowball anyway
He can catch up and farm he just sits here and he keeps punching this invoker in the head
And the invoker you can see he's doing like the hand wave at some point because he's pissed off
Can you leave me alone?
And I think genuinely beat like BGM. He didn't do anything this game
Yeah, you'd never felt his impact because you can't because they got a little too cocky
I think they picked this invoker first pick it gets clearly punished. I think next game sure
It's the BGM Volker, but like they had an answer for it and they played well against it. It was not, it was not Giga
And it's not even like BGM's fault, I would say like he's getting dual lane mid
No one is coming when the tower dies like he's just playing this like in Volker and then later
You want to alacrity some carry who's like buying spell items and like just waiting for the game to like stall out to
180 minutes like I'm not having it
I guess the question, sorry quickly on that is who is supposed to help him if your centaur isn't doing what centa normally can
which is stand up for himself in lane. You kind of need your position for that. Sluck is having a good lane
but you also don't want to then just give the underlord a free lane. You still wouldn't be able to put that pressure on.
Where is that help supposed to come from? Or does BZM have to change something drastically?
Put a chain creep mid or something. Like do something. Like I'm not saying it's easy
but if you're gonna play this draft where three people are like AFK pieces,
find a way to alleviate some pressure. Or if no one goes mid then dunk on this underlord harder.
Like something that's gotta be a switch up.
I think Andral did have some deaths to his name.
Also, Yuma thought he was doing well in lane.
He died to the center.
So you could maybe look towards kind of saying the side lanes were going pretty well for them.
So it's like, you know what?
BZM, good luck, brother mid lane.
We'll try and kill the side and then fix it later.
But then the fix never came into play.
I mean, also, I don't know.
We saw it at the very, very beginning of the game,
but Pure kind of just didn't right click to take first blood.
Like, the Andral was running away at one HP.
And Pure just canceled his animation,
which honestly impacts the game in a really big way.
big way because if he gets that kill now suddenly they can actually feed through the safe lane a
little bit more and you can get things going yeah you can see here it's just like nice body
like honestly pure had a really shaky game he mentioned the item build earlier i also think
this might as first when you're winning the game that's not it chief hold up i think the
minus is fine for slug because what's his farming tool outside of getting kills with a
the diffuser is volatile right it's the minus is fine the diffuser is fine how
about the octarene how about we flame that you know like I think our three
in his giga on Slark not this like so I will say it's like let's say I mean you
play in Volker so let's say okay let's say you're in Volker you're the
invoker on the slack you wait for 40 minutes you split push then you click me
and I have like zero dog water I hate on the minus because that item is
I think the Midas is fine. I would go that the octane we discovered at least then after buy a refresh
500 star games. 500 star games. Yeah 300 star games. Not enough. You're a mid laner chill like
You also have to add the caveat of your mid lane is getting absolutely shat on like and that's me still putting it nicely
Surely there has to be some potter slot that goes okay
He needs more of the farm or like he
That's what I'm saying.
You have to adjust for the game.
I think about this game is about split push and survival, all right?
So like the Midas diffusal, I mean, the morning crew is just...
I mean, it's the morning crew right now.
The thing is if you go diffusal, I can see the diffusal, but it's like it's very volatile.
Like even if you get it, I don't think you can fight into them.
So I would go Midas, chill a bit, chill.
I mean, that's kind of what they want to do anyway.
Yes, 30 minutes, 40 minutes.
You get the 4-5 fighters to then eventually fight.
Yep.
But this is not the build, brother!
Okay, okay, okay.
I'm gonna fight you!
Eat your ass! What are you doing?
But your spit pushing is my decision!
I put the food in your mouth!
I'm screaming over, because I'm not talking about some witch yet, I'm trying to ignore it!
That's been the fact! Straight fire on the beat!
The octarin was terrible, there should have been like an earlier axe, some map play, none of this octarin bullshit!
Get a little refresher, BKB, stand your ground in some fights, because when the fight presents itself,
when you're an octarin going,
EHHHHH!
It's gonna fucking nothing!
You know, I will scream!
Shrakes brother!
If this proves anything, it proves how good heroic we're in this game,
because if we can't even agree on what Tundra needed to do to get back into this game,
to have a good early start, this is down to Heroic.
Well, he's got it. He could do so well.
I've got it. I think Pio's watching some army replays in my translation.
Well, there's the problem.
I mean, bad...
Dude, they got it with the fact that he's got bad trades!
Y'all and me, I don't know how to get to the panel.
They had a data recuperate. They're fine.
It doesn't even be 24 hours.
Yeah, this is close enough.
No, there is definitely a problem for Tundra where I think they've now lost, like, what,
four games in a row?
They definitely do need to look for, like, a small switchup,
because I think Heroic stylistically looked very good against them in this game.
I like the heroes a lot against them, whereas Tundra, I think it was very hard for them to respond properly,
so like, items apart, I think they have to make it easier even before the game begins.
Yeah, and also maybe not letting Tylong get the Beastmaster.
We know overall in this tournament Beast has an abysmal win rate,
but he specifically, I want to say single-handedly, is trying to bring up the win rate of this hero.
He is looking incredible on the hero again. 12-1-11 in this game.
Like, even, like, when he got to, like, the 35, 40-minute mark as well,
he's thinking about the boots to travel to, to utilize the tree or the brood,
or someone who's exploring the map.
The Raps of Tundra, we've split-pushed to their name.
That was their only game plan.
Tylong was like, alright, guys, you find the heroes, I'll follow up.
And, yeah, I think just the way that Tylong is playing Beastmaster,
how confident he is to play into, like, pretty much any matchup,
it is a hero that you need to properly disrespect against his team.
I mean, I think Tundra is also double-dipped.
They've got a little too much of a good thing.
When you pick the Chen and the Centaur, they're both sort of zero-damage aura buyer bots.
And now you have no damage in your lineup, you have no heroes.
Like you can see throughout the whole game, Tundra is just dodging an AFK farming
because they have too many heroes that farm.
Like none of their heroes make, you know, ganks or have spells or anything white-moned.
You see him, typically with 33s playing AFK heroes.
He's the one ganking, making moves, doing stuff.
You can't have two heroes AFK farming auras because you get run over.
But that's the thing, right? In this lineup, the way that Tundra played,
If there wasn't a true protector or a little bit of that vision game,
I feel like their style could have even just been heroic.
How they split pushing with the Slark, the Invoker, they were really obnoxious.
It was just the tools for where they had already installed in their draft,
meant that Tundra's way back into the game wasn't possible
if heroic played correctly, which they did.
Yeah, and that's why I also really liked the heroes and what they ended up doing,
because like T is mentioning, they have good laners,
but then it's also heroes that help you in the mid-game to play the map
naturally against what Tundra want to do which is like doing the splitting and I do think they had some tools
They bought a gem in like the mid game, which is super good for Tundra with the Slark in the nighttime
You walk around you take out some words, but I think heroic never gave them like any like punchback in the game
Yeah, I mean also just a special shout out for Tyla and we always hype this guy up
But it's genuinely he's playing against one of the best teams in the world with incredibly renowned players that have won tournaments
It's very easy to get choked up and play worse than you have throughout the rest of the group stage
Once you get to this big best of three and he is playing just as cool as he was before 12 1 and 11
That is a beast mode stat line from someone who's playing for their own game is focused and this guy is the real deal
He's actually legit. Okay. He's lost three beast games. It's 12 1 10 2 19 3
You know, that was the exact thing I was gonna ask you for I was like Jesus that's man
He's gonna have all the steps of the last time on game stuff. There we go. Yeah, what was the total number of deaths?
sorry. Quick math. That is seven. Seven. Whoa. Chill. How many was it? Six. It was
six. Six. Okay. That's pretty good, I would say. Especially because one of those games
ended up eventually to unfortunate loss. It's still very good for them. And now I
do wonder where is the future trajectory going to be for both Tundra and Heroic?
Because we've said it, Heroic on this great upward inclined Tundra, a little bit downwards
based off of their groups. And obviously this first game won in a best of three.
I mean, Kezra said it and I agree.
I think they need to alter some of what they're doing
and clap back a little bit in the aggression, right?
They've been losing four games in a row.
You need to change something up.
You kind of got run over this game.
Hunter is very capable of winning the early game.
We've seen it a million times.
I think enable your supports, give them good matchups,
give them heroes that can kill, that can fight,
because you know 33 is farming
and Pure is buying four Midas.
So you need the supports to be able to play with BGM
and make stuff happen, I think.
That's the only change I'm looking for.
Whereas Heroic, I think do something similar.
Be ready for the small adjustment
and that's kind of it.
Well, look, it is the first time Tondra have to play a best of three to make it to the land portion of a blast slam.
And they've already down one game.
Let's see if heroic can continue this fight after the break.
the game. That's what we're
going to do. Despite Tundra's
best efforts, picking up a BGM
and vocab pure. Slock as well
as a 33 center. They weren't
able to win game one. That
definitely went the way of
heroic after the performance.
Amazing early game performance
is how I'm actually going to
coin that one right there.
And so it brings us to a game
as Tundra themselves have first pick.
They know how slippery and impactful that hero can be,
and so it joins the ranks of a Razor
and a Husker in those bands, too.
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of an advantage to Heroic,
the fact that Tundra doesn't play Husker
or really prioritize Razor,
because Tundra's got first pick,
and they're banning both of these heroes
that a lot of teams have been first pick.
So it means that Heroics got some extra bands.
They get to ban Shadow Team from both sides.
I think that is definitely something to their favor.
It's also in the interview, right? We had with BZM, him alluding to there are some problems.
He didn't obviously say anything about it, gave him no information, but with the bans that they have,
that could be a discussion that's probably been had, right?
Like, this is what the tournament meta is looking like. We're doing our own thing, it's not working.
Can we try the meta? Maybe they're failing in scrims on the heroes as well, so there's clearly a disjoint, sorry, between Tundra and other teams.
Yeah, I mean, even kind of same with the Viper, I think many other teams would love to first pick this hero.
I think for Tundra themselves, they've lost with it, I think once or twice, back to back.
And like if I just look at their last games
I think it's just the fact that BZM of course he can play these heroes and he can own on them
But like just stylistically everyone else is very much on the slower side
So just for him I would like to seem like a ember storm pair him up with the two supports
Maybe even play 33 on like a hero that you know is naturally a little more involved
Whether it's like a Darkseer or you know his visage like I don't know where this hero is
Maybe it's unplayable
But I'm just looking for some of these heroes that naturally look a little more to be involved in the game
It also helps when at 33 he wants to be annoying in lane setup, but also he doesn't want to feel like he's the fixed early game problems.
He likes to be forgotten about for good, you know, 5-10 minutes of the game, and then kind of re-emerges like, I am the farmed off lane.
In this game it's like, if Centaur isn't present, you're not defending Aries, you're not doing anything, you're dragging him so much.
And he's got his first item of Crimson Guard in the last game.
So you could also just argue Tundra need a better foundation to the lineup so at 33 isn't doing more than he needs to in this draft.
If you're a thunder also you need to understand that there's a Beastmaster coming like first of all heroic have played it
Look at their two last bands on this first phase. This is like some Beastmaster enigma setup
Yeah, so it's good that thunder like maybe up the priority themselves whether this was the idea or after seeing these two bands to first pick this
I'm on board
This is interesting because we've seen it's funny because we've seen Beastmaster have such a horrendous record throughout this tournament
Yeah, and I feel like a lot of the games that Talon has been winning is because the enemy counter picks themselves
Or they leave themselves really open, like every game he's playing against Void Spirit or Invoker are some joke match ups.
But this is where like, Heroic, knowing that the Beastmaster is a strength of mid,
they always banish a Jarracopter as well in other scenarios to like, protect it, even though they put it mid every time.
Like, there is a world where Heroic start laying that foundation of, get the good safe end against the Beastmaster,
then you move later down the line, you find the good mid to deal with the Beastmaster as well,
and then Thunderdonk feel like the enemy flexing, I've mentioned, they do go for it.
Not a bad pick by any means.
Beastmaster has probably not gone to the off-lane now, most likely going to be the DZM beast,
which I think is honestly preferable for Tundra anyway.
I think them putting in the off-lane was definitely the less likely of the scenarios.
But Heroic will have last pick, so they don't need to worry about their mid for now.
They'll likely 16-17 out of their flex or the whisper hero and save that potential
counter for last pick.
We'll see if they actually have enough numbers.
Tundra takes the route of banning Beastmaster mid counters because it is a very powerful
laner even if you've tried to counterpick him the hero can still do well in lane.
So I think one of the bigger elements you want against the Beast is the ability to support
the fighter on mid and you attack the scout early because he's weak in the numbers skirmishes.
The only time that Pirak have played up against Beastmaster was in the first game of the
tournament where they had a mid Viper played into the Beastmaster, Pirak did win that
game on the Viper.
So this will be the second time we see it and now a new hero for Tylong to
kind of present to us as a potential option but I agree with you, it's a strong stable
matchup that isn't a losing matchup with supports coming to mid lane. So I want to see aggression
built into Heros' upcoming picks.
I mean it's also, I wonder what, Tylong later on down the line, what does he want against
the beast? Because you should, you can kind of assume that the beast will go into the
mid lane for all the reasons we've mentioned. I generally like her so I can also get
on top of him. I mean with Conker, Bristle being banned out, I think there's like
More casual heroes, like Storm, I would say it lanes fine, they get some top of him, or I don't know Quinn, you can probably speak more on the mid-beast match-ups.
I mean Storm is playable, it's a bit risky, you can definitely lose on Storm too, it can be scary.
Like stuff like Lesh draws, there's worse heroes, but stuff like Sniper that can win or draw potentially.
In general you want heroes that have ways to kill the bores, so ranged heroes will also be better because it's harder for the bores to hit you, you'll be in tower range.
So you'll get the armor and regen more.
And a lot of it is also skill.
A lot of heroes can draw against beasts if you play the lane well.
So to me it's how long those playing the beast very well.
Does he know playing against the beast very well.
Well, for now it's just solid.
They obviously showed us that they can play the hero in the 4-roll, in the 5-roll.
The gyro is a bit of a flex between 1 and 5.
You know, maybe Tundra make it super obvious that beast isn't in the off lane.
Maybe you want then a new carry against a new off lane that Tundra show you.
So heroic, very flexible heroes.
heroes. They're also doubling down on not letting pure have this Muerta because this was the phase that
they banned it in game one and despite not really showing much more else for Tundra they're still
going back and banning on the side of Herod. Yeah, I'm actually kind of excited for her exposition
here because as Kajou mentioned they do pick J'Kyra in a couple of roles but what happens when
in the next two picks they pick like the same Tusk and Enigma or something and now
Tundra has to put pure on an anti enigma hero you have these really strong side lanes
You're getting forced to pick specific heroes like Tundra's picking Beastmaster because of Tyllung
Now they're gonna maybe have to counter whisper because of an enigma pick like there is a real world that heroic
Just control the entire draft and give no creativity to Tundra again
I'm getting a bit carried away, but I can already see a potential line that heroic can use
It's definitely something you have to respect as Tundra like even if you just go back to you know the first phase bands
I do like this. No, it's probably Ari's best hero with them RC
They can give you a lot of aggression, whether it's in the lane or like later, you know to also go to the other lanes
I do hope that it's paired up with an aggressive laner because they have played Marcy with other combos in this tournament
And they've gotten like butchered in the lane like four or five deaths
So I would really like to see maybe some of the more traditional heroes for 33, you know the Darkseer
Visage, maybe there's other ones that are like more chill
I'm
Okay, so they're saving the offlaner for now. Yeah, I'm so much dubious of this Marcy
I think it can work but you're playing into extremely strong like an unbeatable lane in Jikiro Gyrocopter
I don't know if any hero that pick can win against this lane
So I'm like if Marcy doesn't win the lane this year was so based on getting kills because the hero has no spells in the mid game
So if you aren't ahead then I worry for this hero's impact on the game and you're playing into impossible lanes
So you're picking a hero that isn't really in control of her own destiny. I'm not I don't love that
Is that half of what you're calling for, T? Tusk?
Yep, it's coming.
Now they just gotta slam that enigma.
Bam! Do it!
We definitely can. They might be debating what would be a response from Pure against it.
Which I think a lot of the good ones are out. Even if you go down the line, let's
say Alchemist hates leaning against Tusk, so then suddenly that hero's also kinda
ass, Alin.
Don't break a carry, we don't really see it too much.
Tundra at least do have tools to enable it in some capacity, but again, here you don't see it too often.
That's so strange.
Does the Puckle showing their mid?
Yeah, it's showing both mid.
I think, I mean, showing their mid is okay, but
like Beastmaster is typically a counter pick to Puck mid.
Because it's another hero that is a really free lane for Beastmaster.
You will not have pressure around there now puck pairs very well with the supports
These are some of the best supports possible with puck so you do have the damage and in the mid game
I think gets very good for puck this game, so I can kind of see why they picked it
But it is once again beast will have a free lane, so it'll be if those warts can rotate. Well
Yeah, I'm also a little bit surprised about it
I mean what I could see for time as well
I think it's a very good melon man game you don't really care too much about the Chikiro
I mean
Maybe they can put the task into the safe and then becomes a little more annoying again
if it's like a gyro task combo just confirm that's a tight hunter right
indeed he is the mellow man yes
and what's also bear man ultra bear great ultra bad i like ultra bad that's good
do you like to pick up that i always like ursa i think it's just a solid hero
it's a good lane it will i mean it is good against most of the heroes
heroic want i do think at this point now you should ban
the Enigma. Let's not give them this non-mealy hero that they can look for that also dumps
you in the lane. Yeah, not to hype up my own idea, but I do feel like the Enigma instead of the
Puck pick would have felt like it had more draft value. It would have made pure do-bore
kind of reactionary stuff. He's kind of entered a bit more comfort within his pick. Again,
they do ban on the Enigma now from Tundra. And it's like with Ursa, it's always nice
against Puck to have your side lanes have ways to kind of just survive the coil,
Right because Puck shoves wave gets a rune get some like maybe if you're close to the title TP coil
He wants that free kill run back like he was to be super efficient and never waste and move on the hero
Love what you're suing up on farm efficiency. So I having an Ursa. He just chose get level six right Puck try and gank me
You're gonna have to spend like an extra 15 seconds 10 seconds trying to kill me
So I think Thunder just is happy with how the last couple pics have unfolded for them
Yeah, it's very very chill
And I think there's a lot yet to be decided in terms of how Heroic's heroes work until you see the off-lanes because
This gyaracopter Shakira how much can they snowball how much can they invade these other lanes?
You know can they keep attacking these Beastmaster Ursa while he is a strong laner is a bit of a slow hero in his own
Right he farms battle theory he farms blink dagger and then he kind of gets involved in the game
So I think heroic definitely has the potential to speed the game up and make a lot more early game moves
it's a question of do tundra's this tundra's off-lane allow that and
And does Heroic have the ability to actually lane in their offlane with potential double melee against Ursa?
Yeah, I do wonder where the two teams are gonna take it. I think Tundra still needs like an offlaner that gives them teamfight, because right now...
I feel like Tundra's teamfight, it falls apart very quickly.
Like one guy goes in front and gets picked off, or one guy dies and it's really hard to like help each other.
So I'm still looking for like the Tidehunter Type Hero to bring it back.
And I think if you're heroic, it could be nice if you have a melee guy as well, like a second guy that goes in, maybe a Slardar, you know, it's like a hybrid melee hero.
You don't really get owned by the Ursa. You can help your Gyro with the carry matchup. You also help your team take Roche, which is pretty nice.
So I think both teams, their last picks aren't like too complicated.
It sounds like there's also more than enough options still in there, because of course the
Centaur could do a sort of similar thing, where you're just in someone going in, initiating,
buying those Orors.
It's definitely more than enough to have somewhat of a trade between the two, if they're both
looking for a playnose.
Damage for Role, like you could see something like a Beastmaster, sorry, Slardar.
So it is a melee hero, but it's pretty good against Ursa generally, and it gives you
some amp damage for Puck and Jarocopter gives you more mixed damage going for way from magic
toward a little bit more physical. It's also pretty good against BKB. You should blink,
crush him. BKB doesn't like to buy any armor. He wants to buy this BKB blink. You can deviate
toward the mantha, but it's a game where you kind of need BKB against a lot of magic damage,
so you can mess with your item a little bit. Quinn was listening to me.
Yeah, I didn't know if he was just trying to back you up or if he...
Yeah, I agree. I agree to catch the guy.
This is a goat.
Okay.
Oh, I love you.
No tallyation, that's kind of messed up, man.
Wow.
That's all good.
One sided love.
Huh?
He said he loved you.
Oh, he only says it off screen.
This is a...
It's camera shy.
I was thinking he started doing my job.
This is a non-life relationship.
Holy...
What the...
What the...
Brooch.
Offland Eastmaster.
Okay.
Into a jarret?
I mean if the...
I mean if there was a dude to do it would be 33. I mean it's like the what the
Decombination everyone always talk about right so marker your balls. Don't let them die. I
Will say those shenanigans the reason why I don't so it gives you a lot more against the puck
So they're gonna value like trying to shut down this guy more and they give more life to their two supports
Which is quite nice, but I will say gyro doesn't just own you in lane when you play the non-bore build
You play on stacks to recover
So first Jarrow beats you in lane and then he can invade your triangle and your like even deeper areas to shut you down there as well
So it is quite risky
Yeah, no, I agree. I also feel it's redundant with Ursa
Automatically into Ursa. That's hilarious
But that is also they have the jacarra that I'm gonna assume is going to the four roll, right?
If you're looking to take it so you have a tax speed reductions
Something to that we didn't really overhype too much that you know the bee beefy boys that also tries to plan to jacarra
Hey, thank you very much. So yep
Eric, putting a lot of respect on the Olico at bringing life to Whispid's lane?
I mean, it's like, I think the problem with this DK pick is DK Ursa, it's very similar in that it's this double clicker, right click, it gets very punished by similar items.
Marcy has no spells, right? She's this sort of weird 4 that doesn't offer much in the mid game.
And so I think Heroic, if this Tige Kiro lane does well, if your Jarcopter Tusk are putting pressure, then I think, I think I like Heroic heroes way more again.
I think there's a little bit of a skill check in the early game, but if you pass the skill check, then I think their heroes are better.
That's sounding reminiscent of Game 1's analysis though.
I would lean more towards Tundra having a better way out to play the mid-game,
because last time their draft made them split push and play for a macro game play,
like wait for the TPs to be misused, which Kurok didn't do.
This time around, if Gyro steps up by himself, or Roar, the Earth to jump, the DK jump in the back line,
Master using pick me up as well to displace teammates like tundra can blow up her oaks mistakes
Compared to last game which was haha
We're writing behind you like it's a completely different comeback mechanism for tundra if it's the same type of game as the last one
Yeah, I think tundra at least leveled up their draft because their last draft was like a three out of ten
I think this one is like a lot better like at least double as good
I still prefer heroics draft overall at least if King jungles can like like if they can find a way to go like
three people into the safe lane, play off the pressure on the gyro, and even if
Tylong loses mid lane, when he gets coiled, they can bring the gyro there,
they have a lot of options, as long as they don't get blown open in this off
lane with the Tylong there.
Well, a fun little stat going into this game, number two for you guys.
Tundra has never lost a best of three at Blast Slam, in fact across all of their best of
threes, they have only ever lost two games. Early today they lost their third,
adding to that tally potentially now adding it to a fourth but a better draft could mean a better
game this best of three is definitely shaping up to be a fun one so let's get into it shame to tundred
heroic
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Game two time here between Heroic and Tundra.
Fox, what have we got here for us today?
A better approach, I would say, by Tundra.
Comfort across the board and a lineup they can actually play,
even if they're behind in terms of getting kills, because they're always going to have damage.
Orisa can always blow targets up. That being said, though,
a pretty single target heavy lineup, I would say, from Tundra.
from tundra while heroic is team fight team fight team fight control save it
looks strong again from heroic so let's see if tundra with their very specialty
heroes can actually do this but let's feel like they have some lane matchups at
least that you know the Beastmaster particular we'll see how that one ends
up going no absolutely I could see a humor also one of this more slowly
here as the the classic humor gyra get quite a bit of an extra boost from
that way if he's able to deal with some of the summons as well that's
to him. And he's got drinking, but be careful there. 33. Yeah, it's a strong do
are those two. So they, you know, they opted to go for this. They do the Jarrow
Tusk and then they have the Jekiro tied. So yes, the tide versus the Ursa and a
vacuum can be difficult, but with the stat up, you know, the items that he
started with, he's very tanky. Jekiro can really dissuade a lot of
aggressions. The constant spam, the slow, the damage can be super strong.
So it looks like the approach for top lane, they'll kill the range creep. So
identifying that things are going to be weird up there already versus the
Jarocop there, they already have an idea how they want to play and force the lane to push into them.
Let's see how the green hour deal with this with the setup. Oh, Tylon. Let's see. Mr.
Ainsley is there. He actually jaunted to his orb and then just took a couple extra hits there.
So we'll have to see how this matchup also goes because this was a choice by Tundra. And I
I think I was explaining to you why I think at least they did do this, right?
They they're gonna the switch sacrifice the beast of it
But I think what they wanted was to enable to support section play the game because if you've beast mid
You can play reliant on roar every time to get any type of you know arrow stunned after or something at least the Marana
DK and you know DK plus Marci can set up more frequent rather than just with the roar
So I think at least that's for me, and it's just a hard lockdown for fuck. So
and all in all you know when you look at this lineup from tundra compared to what they did in game one
what what do you think probably was their takeaway from that first game coming into this game turn
how did they want to change things against the right at least for me it's don't be greedy like this
lineup doesn't look greedy this lineup can play pretty well even if they're like even if the
lanes don't go perfect which the link should be pretty good for them i think it's just yeah it's
It's not a green lineup. It's ready to fight mid game, early game, etc.
Could run into some problems with lack of team fight, perhaps, if they do get too far behind in mid game, but...
Nice work, good.
They should have fun paper. They have two winning lanes, right?
They have the Ersa Marana versus the Shakira and the Tidehunter, so that should be a win.
Mid lane, the DK should win pretty well as well.
Top lane, it's just where Heroic has a...
That needs a clear advantage, but Tundra are very good at manipulating things.
So 33 at the moment is getting a fair bit.
Yeah, so far pretty much able to get the same as the Jaros getting out of the lane.
In fact, Mike had the chance for a kill.
Oh, Panic mode there from King Jungle.
He ends up sort of, he pops the shards down, ends up blocking him in under the tower.
Pressing all the buttons there, caught by surprise, got a little too close,
and Ari was ready to deal with him.
Skilled the shards too, not holding the skill point.
If he saves, goes for Snowball, perhaps they can go for it, but Ari, great identification, seeing that he gets that point plus drinking bodies, they can go for the kill.
Heads up stuff, and this is because of the lane positioning, right? So that, them killing the range creep first, blocking the wave, puts this lane at position for 33 to go for that.
Yup.
He's in trouble.
Oh, maybe Ari could save him. He can't.
The anchor's mash is gonna finish off the job. Whisper might find more, actually. Still got another gush, good to go.
turns towards Whitemon. Whitemon and Ari will kill off
Theolokor and with that leap Whitemon might just be able to be safe. I guess the question is if actually
maybe Ari and Whitemon could kill Whisper as well
a little awkward there and it's supposed to actually end up meaning that he dodges the blood grenade
but it doesn't matter. The stars are there, they get the kill. I mean lovely stuff there from the supports of Tundra
and just an Ari in general right. He made that play top quickly turns it into even more action down on the bottom lane as well
These are some fast moves on the Marseille.
Yeah, Ari is a specialty player, and seeing exactly why they wanted to do all this whole thing up top is he's going for another move.
Theo, they've got the rebound into the arrow. I mean, the kills just continue.
Whitemon's got a lead charge at the ready as well, so he's away from Whisper.
I mean, Ari already doing a hell of a lot here.
Yeah, he's owning it. Great rotations, immediately swinging toward mid to check for the water run at least.
He's gonna make it so Thailand will be able to get the double refill, but yeah clever stuff because beats you're 33
He's still getting stuff tops. He's got Archie boots because you rushed the boots so he's got points and axes
He's double four already
So he can start getting the stacks going even as this beast master to and maybe Ari doesn't even return top
Maybe just they might go again run mid and bottom. Yep. Yeah
Let's be so careful in this lane
Whispin make you sure he doesn't step too far out
Yeah, it's already a very hard lane on paper for Whisper. Now it's impossible.
Let's try.
Super difficult for him to approach the creeps.
I mean, R is clarityed up, so he's not only got the rebound, he's got Dispose as well ready to go.
Yeah, we didn't point out too that Weiman does have the leap and bound too, so he doesn't want more damage.
He just wants control for the Ursa to hit targets, which makes a lot of sense.
You don't need more damage when you've got Ursa.
Did lane?
Tylen maybe gonna go for a kill at the BZM here. He does have backup of KJ.
He's doing pretty good in this matchup I do have to say. He's been getting, you know, all the water runes. He's getting a lot of water left with 20-2.
Well, Mr. Yarra, it doesn't matter. Blood grenade's still at the ready. They run, whisper down.
Are we looking for the blocks? Is it left here to get in? Get that final hit and take the kill.
Over in the mid, of course, the extra two supports will come in with that pressure around Tylen.
on Thailand and they will finally be able to kill BZM off.
But in that bottom lane, I mean,
you know, Whisper throwing a tip the way of R.
He says, yeah, good job, buddy.
You've just sat down here with the three of you.
Keep killing me.
Can you go to another lane?
You know, Whisper, he's sick and tired of it.
They're losing the whole mid tower though,
because of this.
Nice trip, BZM.
Yes, something about poor BZM today.
It's like where's the team?
Both games, he's lost his tower at this point
because Pundra, they don't seem to care
about this mid lane.
They just sort of leave BZM out on his own.
Are we?
Are we?
Gonna try and help him out now,
but are we?
Might be dead for this one.
He is, the Sturble comes over to Wipe-On.
Uh-oh.
And now BZM's on his own.
The dream got open ready.
Uh-oh.
Oh dear.
I mean, what's something about the mid?
What's going on around the mid?
It's a cursed area for the map,
and this early game for Tundra.
Tyler just got a triple kill.
Now it's just gonna be very awkward, right?
Cause you know, BZM's obviously been like team, team.
And now they've come on over,
and they're gonna be like,
well look, this is what happens
come to the mid lane. We don't want to come over ever again.
Oh, and R.E. with all the great moves that he did in the first five,
he just threw him in. He threw the DK in. On top of three heroes.
He blew him up. And now 30, freezing trouble.
Uh-oh. I mean, R.E. can't help him out here.
Well, that was a painful minute from, uh, from Tundra.
Haro, just clean up kind of four kills. They get two towers as well, because
they're going to get the mid and the top tower by this way.
Fortification must have done that a little bit.
It's around a seven minute wisdom.
Now the question is, can Tyloon just stop
getting this wisdom?
I don't think they can, can they?
No, I mean, Tyloon, he's the strongest here on the map
right now, and he's in this area.
They can't take it away.
So they're going to be able to get both those,
get the tower, get the mid.
Oh my god, the game has accelerated so fast
in two minutes from this pocket.
It really has.
Holy moly.
Look at the network.
This is a puffer's DK, by the way.
Yeah, that's crazy.
You know, this has been a rough time in the mid.
I said a rough series for BZM, I had a tough time understandably in the matchup in game one.
If they can find something here, they can't orbs out, Tiling's away.
Tiling's gonna be fine.
I coincided himself, right? This guy is the real deal for sure, and they're making him look so good,
that they enabled him. The double rotations from the supports,
he was already doing fairly well in the matchup, and he was keeping BZM low.
So, that says a lot.
1k lead now for the side of Heroic, Whisper, able to pull the wave and get a good reset position for him to get levels.
because this is the thing as well what we saw last game from Iraq right in the
start they did see you know whisper had a tough time right his lane at the
beginning it's not easy gets punished same time this time around he very much
gets punished it didn't matter though in the long-running game on right whisper
recovered and again on something like a tight hunter he's gonna recover right
there the fact that the lane was a tough one he had a rough time down there
because these sort of three heroes playing against him then one of the
reasons why he's throwing the tips out as well he's like well good job guys
You know you got me. How did that work out for you last time? Not so great
He's got his face boots. I mean he's almost level six. Yes, he shut down
But it was a lane that was already designed to shut him down. So yeah, I mean I would agree
I think those tips were definitely like a okay. Yeah, it's okay. Look what you're dealing with now. Yeah
Look at Tylong shield rune. That's it ready
It's gonna go to the corner onto one one one. We'll be able to leap away
Should be the space for time to get away from this effort
She was going to try and jump back in onto Thailand.
There's an hour coming in.
Put jump there with York.
She's still going to be pretty cautious.
They've got the ravage at the ready now,
but have to be careful how the play around here
has also got the six.
So, enrage is there at the ready.
Still though, it's just sort of space
that they push them off the tower.
And nine minutes in.
Coming close to being on the verge of taking all three
tier ones away from Tundra, very early on this game.
All three T1s, as we said, a super strong team fight lineup
once they get their levels online.
And they're getting these levels.
6 is online for their tide, almost 6 for the 2 supports.
EZM's starting to get a little bit of help in the mid lane.
Got the Marcy behind him getting some good damage on the tower.
And we are seeing 33 get a lot of space top out of these movers.
So he does have at least one component of the eggs.
Shot down.
Aaron will connect with Snorblez there to keep him safe.
He's still taking that pretty deep with the old spack up, so Talon can get out. King Jungles, he's gonna lose his life for this one, but I'll be able to take Toast down.
Like this. Like, you can, as you see with the DK, right, the two supports can't rally around him pretty decently. White Mundo now.
Talon should be able to go for this. Got the Dreamclaw, he's also got a haste, and if he wants to try and chase this afterwards, she looks like he doesn't want to go for the haste.
He's alive.
So he will lift this time round, Whitemon.
Take a turn for Ari instead.
Thailand, a haste now popped.
If you can chase on for this,
jump some of the silence to make sure
BZM kind of needs you to get a dragon tail off.
We'll have to back away though.
So both supports this time for Tundra able to survive,
only just, but they will get away from Thailand's
puck this time round.
Pushing the limits on the hero.
Whitemon actually barely survives.
This is the Ash Legion shield and some stick charge.
I think maybe even both of the two supports
were popping there to protect them.
This is very close.
extra barriers always helping out whisper has shown his build that he's going to go for at least for now
Don't look like he's going to deviate because it is a very good game for it. The youls playing versus the Ursa
I think we're in for some site nice excitement even though we do see a bit of an advantage for heroic
This earth is farming the beast is farming. I think we're gonna have a much much closer game on our hands
And I guess the question is as well
We're getting close to sort of the period of game that in game one, you know heroic
They kind of got I think I should last time they didn't even get the tier ones
But then they sort of fell back into this period where it was focused on getting the items
See them lose the tier one mid. He doesn't seem to be taken out of it by Ahri
But they've got the chase him with the snowboard, Dreamclaw dropped down onto a BZM, Ahri's gone
BZM will be surrounded so turns out they might have got the tower but
Will pay the price likely with both of their lives the full five out of a roach chase BZM down
So in comparison to the approach that came in with last game
We're seeing them be even more confident this time around with their lineup going for more of these moves
And are much quicker than they did last time
Yeah, I think overall like we mentioned right there. I think their teamfight is just ridiculous. It's all five heroes provide
Excellent team fight time just really don't that's why I think they are split up until they get timings
I think that's what you see the two of them paired up Ari's trying to be that you know
That's saving issue kind of like a swap for the DK, but there is great ways to chase as we see on the road
Their lineup takes all the boxes
pure pretty much has the battle fury so they do have those two core items about to be finished
up 33 agonims here with the battle fury so the farm speed for tundra is going to be very
very fast so if they do get to sit back and it creeps we will probably see them even out
or even get ahead in that worth up here having to back away once the agonims online
for 33. He's still farming very well as well. He has a good couple of moves joining the team.
He's been able to cleanly turn up to some of these plays and not be punished for it.
2-0-1. He's always going to have the buff up, right?
He's always going to have this level 3 or 4 drinking buddy pretty early in the game
time for the splash damage. Let's see where they look to go from here though. Because now
forcing the issue is do they even want to on the side of heroic and which fights do they
want to actually take? Probably a lot of it just be being played around Tylong if you
can find any of these catches on the side. Because he does, he is getting most of these
power runes too. He's got an arcane rune now.
And obviously, one sort of different thing we're going to see this game around, especially
with the build up from Westburn on the off-limb, right, it's, it is going to be a lineup from
Heroic that aren't picking up these Auras, right.
There isn't going to be this Crimson or Pyke this time around on their heroes.
Does that match her against Dundra's lineup?
You know, why, why do you feel this sort of approach has, has gone this way with
their hero picking him with their item builds in this game?
Just because, just because there's an Ursa, probably, right?
Yeah.
Because the ULZ is so valuable versus Ursa.
We might still see him.
I mean probably not actually. I don't think he will because it's it's a it's a lot of physical damage on the draft
You don't buy crimson right on tight hunter and pipes. It's not his value. So yeah, probably just gonna be blink you'lls ag shard, etc
Just because of those reasons
All right
We're gonna survive business dream club gone Tylen's a little top you won't be up top
I mean you know sort of chasing the two of them out there Bzm and white might have to roam with a moonlight shadow
but weren't able to completely tackle him up.
Both teams trying to make their own move,
Tylong, this was an arcane ruin with the coil,
so it might catch them slightly off guard here.
It's gonna be back up in about 25 seconds.
I think they saw Pure.
Good scan.
This is a quick move.
I mean, he absolutely right.
That timing could surprise Tundra.
Pure, the scan did connect
so that you believe he should be okay,
but they see him with the ward,
So it might catch him off guard at how fast they really were.
He's going to want to farm the wave.
We'll manage to do it quick enough before anyone gets their hands on him.
And now on to the tier two, it definitely becomes a bit more awkward for heroic down here.
He's aware.
Very good.
Very nice play there from pure good awareness.
Good scan.
I don't know who did that one, but this is finished.
Both teams hitting their timings.
100% up feeling strong enough now to group up a little bit here since they do have that
axe on the beast.
No blink yet on DK, I think that's the truest one where they're really going to accelerate
on the side of Tundra, but right now at least at this timing, looks like they might be able
to force the power.
The blink is going to open up the map a lot though for Tundra, I would say.
Then they can start looking for these moonlight shadow plays, looking for pick offs if
they do see heroes split up.
Harog's not really splitting up too much though.
But perhaps when they get the blink they can find something.
Very close on the numbers here.
I was hoping we would have a little more fights, but I mean both teams being very cautious,
peeking and choosing their battles.
Not looking to hemorrhage any extra kills.
I'm gonna just see if she lost on round.
How nicely that did work out for Heroic.
It's like a very different game, though.
Extremely different game.
Tundra can actually play Dota this time,
other than just he creeps.
Blink on the Ersa.
I think this is going to be like Blink, Ersa, Blink, DK, AGS.
They've got go time now on Tundra, too.
They have great ways to be able to fight back,
close the gap on these targets.
Heroic can definitely fight back, as we mentioned,
with these crazy amount of ultimates,
but this could be a time where Tundra can catch them
off guard. That whispered desperately trying to get the blink dagger done before the team
fight kicks off. He's very close. So I was actually whizzing me. That whizzed him for
a fair few minutes. We'll still be in the safe hands of Heruak on their side of the
map. His three camps gone. He's going to have the sort of blink ravage response ready
for any sort of fight that Tundra bring to them.
BGM is slightly falling behind at least in terms of that word. Had that
struggle in terms of that early game rotation around the six minute mark,
seven minute mark, and now they are smoking up together.
Blusher is healing. They want to prepare for the fight. Look at this flank.
Oh, it's a big flank.
I have to put him right immediately
Truncator was King Jungle's dreamcourt down off
ready here from Thailand
they'll have to roar to Yuma
and they keep it alive through the roar
they're gonna try their best
they're still alive for Yuma
box the bats up, he'll survive
there's gonna be three dead
on the side of Tundra
maybe even more white ones out of Leech
Yuma runs him down, he'll fall
you know he's managed to clean up a few on the back
Tyrone's ready to seal the deal
team one that was that was such a cool fight in terms of little things the
manta dodge honestly same as he was like I think he died from that rebound
son dodges it with the manta they isolate pure it was a two separate fights
going on pure was dishing it out with whisper for like 20 seconds on the
one side but this is not all yeah a bit of an awkward start as well pure has
to use deem rage very early on in the fight because he sort of gets caught in
the combo and deal the corn as you say at this point that the role comes
out to Jarrus, looking like they might just be able to kill him, surviving there, getting
the starry in 33 in those final moments, beginning to clean up, whilst over at the side, Shaw pure.
He's getting kills out of this play, out of this fight, but the rest of his team is
dead and at this point, he's got no way to save himself.
A team white from Heroic shakes Tundra up big time there, coming in with that wrap
around that Tundra, it seemed like they were almost prepared for it because they
did sort of charge into it and they were quick with the blinks themselves, but
But overall the positioning and that overall strength,
the team fight that Heroic's heroes possess at the moment,
we were talking about, we definitely saw an action there.
Yeah, and KJ, yeah, this snowball, right?
He's telling me something that's always the case is,
oh my god, I'm Thailand.
He's on him.
He's gonna try and toggle his way out of this one.
He can't toggle his way out of that.
That's, yeah, BZM dead, Godlike on Thailand.
The sort of struggles just continuing here
in this game too for BZM.
He's having a rough one today, Fult.
I, Thailand needs to get more attention.
Actually, we're talking about him so much, but I think the teams actually just have to.
This guy's clearly showing how good he is.
BGM is struggling today, versus massively.
A solo kill.
He's dancing it out.
He's 9-0.
You know, the panel likes to say they're mid-diff things, honestly.
Like, this is a bit of a mid-diff.
Tylen is popping off.
He's getting the help from his allies.
BGM is not getting as much help.
He really didn't today.
Has it both?
He's got it all today.
Nobody wanted to come to the mid now.
Power, poor old BGM.
They just let him lose his tower.
They did not want to focus on the mid lane, and that might come back to bite them.
I mean, certainly didn't get him one and so fast.
It is looking like it might be the same case here in game two.
Heroic, there was a moonlight shadow attempt play there from Tundra.
Heroic was smoked.
They won't actually catch a kill with it.
The dust off the mark from white one.
Ult's are coming back up.
We mentioned, you know, you know,
Heroic, how strong they are when all the ults especially are up.
They just continue being up for all the fights.
And I mentioned how BGM was kind of struggling before that bottom fight.
Back-to-back deaths continues to be the bottom, no recovery from just yet.
And this Gyro is delaying the BKB in this game as much as possible, which makes sense.
This is all these, you know, the BKB piercing disables in the Ursa.
He's just getting these small items, these HP items.
He's now got Manta and a Pike to be able to distance himself from the Ursa.
So tough for Pure to stick on targets at this point.
I mean, cause yeah, what's the sort of call gonna be from Tundra now, after the
way that last fight went down?
Watch out positioning of the tusk right can't don't overlap stuns somehow find these back lines
It's just it's hard as we say it's so much teamfighter heroic
You have like three things you need to take the box up
Where's jikiro's ice path where's ravage and where's the snowballs coming in to stop either the DK stun of the roar
That this is my concern about the single target this single target heroes on tundra versus the tusk in particular
And so far heroic
That's pretty beautiful
all these timings blink on the tusk is done now blink on the tide with shard
shard is gonna be super annoying yeah they've got to be coordinated team and take them out
you know as soon as that shard gets put down onto one of the cores they've got to help
each other kill that anchor it immediately they at least have like marcie right so they
have to hide that and punch it yeah might be a case but we'll see if you can actually
get to that as we do see the pipe is done 33 is going down the aura so he is
looking to protect since it's a gyrocopter right that spread damage is
sometimes teams like to have the crimson guard verse let's see if when he gets
the secondary aura if it's enough because the first one is quite a bit of
physical to go through it
accelerating the Roche is the next thing on the menu denying a Roche away
from a nurse a line of two is a pretty big deal
And Tundra are not going to be able to do anything about this.
This Rosh will be her roads.
Now she's thrown in, don't know what's going on, but as I say, no chance of trying to contest
this right now.
They just have to get as much as they can while she's clear from the map here.
Oh my God, he's deep.
That was risky.
They just have one wave under the tier two and we'll blink away.
He's going to risk his life.
He might still be in, indeed, in trouble.
Silence into the Dream Coil!
At least we'll come out onto Thailand with the Ice Blast lay down onto the two of them.
Snowballs at the ready. Tundra, they've got to keep running away.
As they'll catch White one here, Roy.
I mean...
That's just...
That, that hurts, folks. That hurts, you know.
These fast players from Iraq are catching Tundra,
and Tundra, you know, BZM's getting caught out earlier.
We're seeing Pure as well get caught out.
They're just not on the top of their game today, it feels like, folks.
No, I gotta say, I gotta be honest, Tylong is, this guy's going super sane.
I don't know if it's because he's playing versus Tundra or something, but my god, the plays that he's doing,
he didn't get the initial lead on whether Ursa blinked, but then afterwards the persistence
to chase is the orb. Takes the arrow, but he's got the back. Heroic is really on top of things.
Yeah, they're looking so good today. Tylong has Lincoln's now too, so,
you know, the concern that maybe there was, how do you, yeah, now it's gone. He has Gem as well.
This guy's good. This guy's a treat to watch, I gotta be honest. Super fun.
Crimson is there, but they're falling so far behind. It's only a 2KB, but it's starting to feel quite a bit more commanding than that.
The Earthquake came behind it.
And there's reminiscent of the last game, right?
Because a lot of the portion of the last game, the net worthly wasn't insanely massive until sort of the later stages.
But you can feel it. Just the feeling of the game.
Very much felt to be solidly in Heroic's hands and just sort of the way that they're making the moves and making the plays, you know, at some points it seems almost effortless from Heroic, whereas Tundra they're having to do kind of a lot of complex kind of equations to find situations to actually get a play going that way.
They're going to try now.
Let's see.
And the whisper's there ready to put a stop to this.
I'm gonna try and jump on him, but the use of their time is already meant to jump onto
the backflap.
Send them all 33.
Look at the silence amongst the Beastmaster.
Numa does get caught here by the arrow.
Super long arrows done there, locking Numa down.
See that action?
The magic!
The magic!
The whisper!
He catches them all!
Gets him with the five mile ravage!
Basically, they can't take it, see?
It's in 500.
They've got to run!
Everybody get out of it!
They're gonna try, I mean purely he's trying to get in there.
He's actually gonna jump forward.
33 is actually still alive, but I don't think they're getting out, 33 is gonna try and TP away, he'll make it out of there, but pureb or not, I mean it gets a couple of kills, they do get the Aegis, but it's still the scrappiness, it hurts Tundra, heroic, they're still the ones coming out with a little bit more from these trades, even when it's Tundra's trying to bring together a coordinated move to take the teamfights.
It does feel in these moments Tundra panic kicks him pretty quickly when it rocks able to turn like that
BKB ZM was like a hundred goals of BKB too. If he gets one kill he might be able to finish it again
It's a five man. Beautiful Ravage. Yeah, whisper. He really kept this cool there
Because of the fact as well that he was sort of the first one they saw right to come on the high ground
There's no panicking from whisper. He doesn't blow that Ravage immediately waits for the perfect opportunity to jump back in and get it off
You know, Tundra, they are able to get the supports and the Aegis, but it costs them their mid, it costs them their carry.
It's nowhere near what Tundra needs to find to be able to try and turn this game around. They need so much more.
100%. Now, this honestly spellcasting from Heroic today is absolutely ridiculous. Just the saving of spells, the saving of each other with the snowballs.
Little drinking buddy calls.
Tylong has an amp damage and a Parasma now, so this next fight, I mean, we saw much damage we've been doing in most of them.
Even if the Jiro dies, this puck is a pseudo carry.
I mean, Tunger, they've almost got to try and do this right.
They know that the Ravage is on cooldown.
They have to try and strike out Herok
when they know that Herok don't have
all components of their teamfight ready to go.
Can they catch them, though?
Quite, they make it through the portal.
OK, the courier is coming through the Daedalus.
That might have been worth a...
I thought they might.
Did they not see the courier at that angle on the gate?
I think they really want to fight
when Ravage is down like you're talking about.
They're really, really low.
Sure, I mean, at the point where they could have taken a Daedalus away, that would have been kind of huge.
Oh, you might, but if they're on him, if they kill on Yuma, this would be a huge catch.
33, but still Tundra they're having a good run.
Tylung is not giving them the chance to run jumps in.
Here's the sign that's on to Pure.
He's killed the Acerol.
33 trying to fight back, but can they get any of these kills?
Tundra, they're looking at Whisper, but Whisper's too tanky.
Get the anchor, smash off.
33 is going to go down into the damage of Theo Lacour on Tylung.
They just cannot fight them fault.
Every time Tundra, even in moments,
their way of looking to be the perfect setup.
They're on the high ground.
They see the carry, they see Yuma, you can feel the hesitation right.
They were like, can we really go for this?
There's probably going to be some sort of response behind him.
And the hesitation was understandable,
because indeed as soon as they went for it, saves the coming in.
We're seeing King Jungles getting there with a blink snowball.
And again, Tundra this time round,
it's even more brutal than the outcome of the last team fight.
They lose these four heroes. They don't get anything fault.
These two supports are playing,
I mean, there's obviously the cars are playing out of their mind, right?
But these two supports the ice path coverage hitting three four heroes snowball safe
I'm in this point your tundra's
The impending doom is felt from them. You could tell that I like I don't think we're gonna kill this gyro
Spoiler they were absolutely correct. They were and the timer starts taking they're like, oh my god ravage five four
You can you know the tundra's timing that they disengage it only clips one
But the damage is done the BKP computer is gone. He can't disengage
Yeah, heroic. They're on fire today. Truly on fire for Tundra, especially for BGM, right?
One of the harder games and one of the hardest series we've seen from them in some time. 0-7.
It's been two fights now that Tundra have looked to try and start. They haven't gone their way.
What was the plan now? Because they're, you know, on the verge of being knocked out from this
blast slamfog. And this team, you know, they've been pretty much winning all of them.
So if Heroic Samurai knocked Tantra out, it is absolutely going to be testament to how much Heroic has up their game each and every series.
But we've seen them through this Blast Lamp 6, they get themselves another kill, they catch a Fahri.
Now, Heroic, they're absolutely crushing it today.
And BZM has to kill the missile. Doesn't have backup though, has to be careful for Mima.
Yeah, it truly is just beautiful identification of how to play around.
I mean, honestly, we're on Thailand. I have to give them so much credit.
Because they really are just making easy on the higher games and that's two very important situations
Yeah, absolutely 15-0 6
Another thing I'm you're pure off in a 1k Bcp
Something like that middle so many of his games even in the losses, right? He's had crazy KDA
Yeah now at this point right Tundra
They I think as you said they they went to like their again similar last game like the A the B
Now what's the C?
Because they did try to go for these timing fights
They tried to time the fighter on the BKB and both of those fights were
Disastrous with the way that heroic is just prepared for them. So I wonder what that yeah that plan B plan C really kind of is now
This heroic their plant a is just straight up working
Aghston for whisper level 20
Starting to pick up these really nice support items
to continue to pick up these kills.
It's just absolutely crazy.
Especially as well when you consider this game, right, they tried to adapt against the puck,
even like sort of switching up what matchup they wanted to run in the mid lane,
and they just have not had a single answer for him at any stage of the game,
including the lane in which, you know, BZM was given a hero that should have probably done a lot better than it did against him.
Sure, there was a lot of support freshly coming in from heroic and BGM didn't have that sort of being matched by his team
But still yeah, it's just been complete domination from heroic on the mid
And they the thing is as well
They seem to know exactly what to do with that right, you know when tiling has this sort of good start good game
the moves that they make around the park just
Just sort of amplify, you know, how much of a good beginning he had
Yeah, on top of just how much I did really like both of their drafts in these two, it's more than anything, it's their preparation versus Tundra.
I think they've put Tundra in very uncomfortable positions about how they wanted to draft and set up these lanes.
It's the first pick beast, which I don't even know if they want to do anymore, but you kind of have to because otherwise Heroic takes it.
And then they force it, well not maybe not force it, but it gets put in a position where it goes off lane versus Gyro Jikiro, or Gyro Tusk, some of the better heroes versus it.
So yeah, it just feels like heroic the game plan full planning today top-notch
Going toward high ground now. Yeah, they're ready to sell looking for the fights themselves. They're gonna get this quick jump once a white
It's gonna be the Murana gun
In pretty out of control and they're doing all the little things too
I I don't really always talk about this but look at the Jara too. He's even using chop shop
So he's disassembling his items to sell for maximum efficiency not even losing that gold
He's gonna look upset about a BGM, BGM has to go to BKBTP, but unluckily for him, there's a tusk around with a punch ready to punch him in the face, no CPL for BGM, they've got him again.
Highline might be, at least for me, the games that I've seen, we haven't caught all of them, might be the MVP for the least what I've seen in this tournament.
in this tournament. This guy is just everywhere. Just so many moves. Super flashy. I'm just
really trying to think how they can recover at all, even a fight for Tundra. Because as
we've seen multiple times, the team fights, it's such an uphill battle.
pure. He's calling the shots. He's gonna go for the TP. But they've got the ways to
stop it instead as well. I mean so many times we're just saying BZM die, then pure die,
then BZM die, then BZM die, then pure die, then pure die, then pure die. They keep killing
them, making the carry, they get the pick-offs every single time.
I think Tundra might be broken. At least from the way the heroics just been able
to do this. And it's gonna be the end of the road
for them here at this, you know, last time six. If they don't manage to turn
this one around. An early exit for a team that's been taken away the trophy nearly every
single time it. And this I think the panel was saying to them, they don't really lose
damning once it's less than three years it lasts. They're gonna have some crazy records
yeah they're definitely down. They're put to an end here by Herorick today.
Yeah I'm just looking at like next items and I'm just like these aren't these aren't
fixing problems if the bashers done to be capable there's the physical damage the
control it's just all there for heroic and pretend you're all my goodness yeah
have whisper having a hex as well the ravages hexes anchors he's gonna have
everything to get the jump why won't
don't breathe
just chilling
truly chillin
truly chillin
he's got waves out
but uh
careful
he's thinking about harrowing the creepers up
the courier
the courier
oh no
oh he got wrapped it out by the other
courier
is that an owl carrying a cat?
that current quite a bit it was one part of the mount oh yeah that is a good one
yeah yeah it's very cute I think so okay it is some sort of exotic cat I think
isn't it true I think it's like a mountain cat
BGM it's not really good ways out of this when it was okay maybe with our
renote nevermind try lumped up the answer dream call on to the turn and
rabbits to follow up Ari's dead BGM dead again I feel like I've said that
time to stand it just keeps dying it's it is nine times this is yeah oh my
goodness heroic they they're you know they're knocking out tundra from this
real blast I'm six and quite some style you've even see pure as to has the
face of the tide alone for a second with two heroes right they had the
Marci and the DK and ursa's right there he's like I'm not going on that
guys there's no way I'm going on this 40 seconds though DK off the high
my ground satanic butterfly like you know Yuma is just insane and this poor Ursa not
gonna hurt him too much even if you hit some bird hold the ratio in a slotted the
bomb rack scum beautiful our cover in the mid
Who's gonna make the jump who's gonna damnate the jump into this ages into a pretty much deep science of the team
But I'll be just still of course on call down. They're gonna try here with you
to get it onto humans. I should have been caught by the shards, Irelia managed to take
him out. That's a safety bzm. He's going to try for the jump off the back line, but already
they just turn straight on the water. They'll put the BKB bzm, but he can't stand his
ground here against Youla Tylong and King Jungle, so he has to back away. Irelia will
take him out, they can't push them off the bar, it's just going to attempt to
get back in on this. He sent up in the air, went for yours, you still have the
BKB ready to press. Won't need to, but won't be able to stop them from taking
that second set so two sets of barrices taken by heroic 33 can't roar you can see
he's pump faking it constantly but this this toss is always there they're gonna
try for Yuma are you still looking for these allies really yeah again just
continues to be a very good spell usage just good patience from heroic as well
not using the snowball in the arrow play there they just drinking bodies
pull him at distance and save the snowball for the hard D-case done
or for the roar just continue to play very smart and yes it's a very early 25
that's hidden hit for the puck so these bkb's as we saw if BGM gets caught in it
he has to just stand his ground and it's agonist also for 17 0 and 10 27 of the
30 kills around high-long
If you play against these guys, you've got to shut down the mid.
Yep, you've got to do more to stop Tylon early on.
He will absolutely run away with the game.
If you leave him in a 1v1.
Even in some of the less papered matchups, he is still having an insane time.
He's trying to get in on this. He's caught by the anchor.
I was going to try and take him back to safety, but the Dreamcoyle is up.
They're trying to buff him up with the aura to pop the BKB attempt to turn, but he's out of the game for 85 seconds.
No buyback on him, 33 to fall.
Haruik, they can take the final set of backpacks, look for the mega creeps, the buyback's going to come out for 33.
But no buyback on here, Ahri's caught outside of the base.
They'll throw in the last few buybacks they have here, Tundra to try and hold on.
As you managed to push them at least up the melee racks, but heroic, they're not going
to have to play, they don't have to play safe this time round, they know how far ahead they
are.
They're ready to close up the final racks potentially, the fortification will come out, BGMs will
get caught by the Hacksaw, pop the BKD, look towards Yuma, with the roar from 33
on towards King Jungles, there's going to be no follow-up to it, King Jungles
able to walk away as he pops the ghost scepter, there's the final racks taken, mega
creeps now up.
to
the refreshers well on West for West but he might just be ready to close this one up with a nice double ravage
the tears for starting to fall
There's the dream coliseus whisper coming in with the ravage to finish yourself for bonus
star points double ravage onto the four of them.
Gigi is called as Tundra knocked out of the competition, Heroic moving on two to zero.
As the level of improvement we've seen from this team, any sort of struggles or any
problems they're having in some of the groups, his losses, the talks, the focus,
the work that they must have put in to fix them.
I mean, it's just done. It's done absolutely amazing amounts because it's not they're just winning and moving on
It's that they're knocking out Tundra 2-0 for
It's a best of three. That's the big wow two rights nice. Just some best of ones are anything they can do it in this fashion
It's a bastard three. So yeah, well on from heroic. That was unbelievable place for everyone
Absolutely. What a day today from heroic. They'll move on here blast lamb six to zero knocking out Tundra
Let's go!
Woo!
And down with Europe!
Hey, fuck him!
Let's go!
I actually want to clap to that one.
But I'm coming in here getting a 2-0 of a tundra
monumental for so many different reasons.
But it has been 435 days
since we have had a blast slam without tundra.
It has been that long that we've not seen them go all the way to a finals for themselves to play in the best of fives
And the first time they've ever lost a best of three her today just the better team
I feel like it's as simple as that
They actually were they straight up where the better team
There's no ends or butts they had solid drafts and they played very very well
And I'm gonna say it again this tie-long guy
You got to keep your eye on it because I generally genuinely have not seen a mid-player this young who's then this good
That's the old- that's the player, I think, of this good and this young of an age.
There's plenty of good mid-players at 18-19, he's 16, and he is just clapping kids.
The thing is, he's playing his game. It's not like he's a mid-laner when he's trying to enable someone else or sacrifice.
You can see that he, you know what he wants to do in Heroic? They have to understand how to enable him.
Probably during the draft, and I think today, the draft and the way they set him up made him shine.
Of course, the Beastmaster of the park, his scorelines are incredible.
Of course, I think everyone in the heroic has stepped up. They didn't feel like there's that faltering in the middle late game
There wasn't those moments where it's like are they gonna mess up with the high ground again?
I think everything just felt like it was the team that we wanted to see from heroic from day one
So testament to them not allowing the group stage results to knock them down actually improve from it and then put their ticket to multiple
Yeah, and I fully agree with you guys and the thing for Thailand also
It's not just one game this guy has ended like six or seven like games in a row where he's not really dying
He's just clapping everyone in the mid lane. People can come to him get a triple kill
But I will say the rest also like whisper a human also both the supports
I think everyone has like really stepped up their game
So I'm just happy to see it from drafting to the gameplay. They've got it all there
It is yeah all wrapped up so nicely for them on the side of tundra now being
Eliminated that we can have a few final words and then some thoughts about what kind of didn't really go for them
Because you thought this game to draft you like they've done the you know recalibration
They've collected themselves.
This is going to be a draft that we could really see actually work for them.
And it still didn't.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a little bit better, but I think this Marcy is dead weight.
And I think the heroic supports played amazing.
And they played around the mid lane and made really, really good moves.
I think even though heroic, I'm sorry, Tundra may have drafted slightly differently.
I think Heroics still have the better end of the moves, right?
They bring all these heroes made.
They open the mid tower super early and they get all these kills throughout this really, really good sequence for them.
To me, this is one of the big turning points of the game, and I look at Tundra, they're reacting.
They're not making their own move.
Roeg is making the move, and they're just sort of showing up.
Ori gets caught on the side.
He drumps the DK in instead of back out, causing him to get a triple kill here.
They all feed Ori.
Really rare mistake.
I think he's very good at this here.
We talked about it in draft.
And he's also a very good player, but makes a critical mistake.
They see three kills.
Ay, ay, ay.
And they lost Mid Tower in both games by like minute six or seven.
That's a pretty illegal stat as well.
Yeah, and I think going back a little bit to the Beastmaster as well,
like the idea of 33 now playing in this game,
in the last 10 games of Beastmaster, in the last 10 months for 33,
he's two and eight on the hero.
And here that we used to always go,
wow, when this guy gets the hero, he pops off.
So for Heroic, after game one,
to four 33 on the hero that he's just not winning with at all in like the last year,
and then to like beat them again,
it's like, it takes so many little layers to beat a team like Tundra.
So through gameplay, through draft,
through prep, through just like psychology of the series,
Heroic just broke Tundra.
It's not even just that just no one is really winning on based outside of pile on like
The fact that you're now opening or like kind of corralling tundra into opening that draft having that
Foundation for for what they want to build. It's just like yeah big yaks for themselves and then closing out with the dragon knight as well
Which I don't know what would you say Quinn?
It's like a skill matchup when it comes against park slide advantage to dragon knight not really
But we take name plates away. No, it's definitely dragonlight favorite
Yeah, put Ken draw like that is your bets are but like the lane how it played out its best case for puck
It cannot really realistically get any better. Yeah, he like overperform because that I think is like the fact that they can play through
This lane so nice and get a triple kill. It's pretty insane
Yeah, no, this is this is definitely like laning excellence because I think the lanes
Likely result is like maybe 75 25 for DK maybe 60 40. Yeah, and like this fight
It's like I think there's so many nice things if you look at heroic that I think in other days
They were not able to execute like this, but everyone is like in a very good position
You start with this noble save you have whisper on the sideline who's very annoying. You also have later down the line
Like humor he's gonna get an insane manta dot here on the rebound
I think without this he would at least die like making sure that in these fights
You know you stay alive a long HP you stay around and you can like continue playing the map set up the map
In a nice position for like your follow-up play over and over it's like such a big deal
And I'm just happy to see them because we always talk about Thailand
But I think it's really also the rest that all stepped up today. I think the spell costing of everyone stepped up
I mean the most noticeable noticeably on whisper and you know when you get those big five-man ravages tea
It's quite easy to say that's good, but it's all the nuances to know for sure
You've got like the jacquiri position four from Teotokor that's doing all the little attacks loads nice
Parts you got the ice pots were insane. There it is the drinking bodies on tusk
You know KJ making you a drink mid game come to me. Let's go to a snowball together like you know like these little things
It's working out. It's again like when I see this game from heroic
This is what you see that when they win like why can't be why can't this not be every game?
Maybe it is now with the new roster. Maybe it is, but I want to see every game back. They're better
But I get like this is the heroic that like in previous tournaments
It was so exciting to watch so I'm like upset that we had to see the group stage from them
But I'm just truly hoping when they get on the plane to mortar
They just keep remembering this series and keep copy-pasting it to the upcoming
You know playoffs because again her work is such a fun team to watch when they get these type of moments
No, 100% I think you can feel you could feel they were just locked in for that series
And I think that's one of the coolest parts about those and you can just see the difference
You can see that switch flipped it these guys are on today and they're just gonna on yes
Someone clearly had like a talk or an idea or something and everyone's like well
That's what we needed to do and like from that point it just it can make a team
It just takes that one conversation of that one thing and then a team can can truly just level up
Well leveling up is what they needed because they're coming up against a tough opponent
But they get it done it to oh and it means heroic are going to be joining us here in Malta
And also joining us up for an interview KJ
Congratulations, what a series. How are you feeling after that?
I'm feeling big
I'm pretty happy. I was like with T governor like why can't we be like that every game I wonder as well, you know
I don't like the trolls. I was I was wondering how much of what we're saying you can hear and obviously your group stage was rough
It had a couple of those throws last year's qualifiers. You guys looked great
You won that best of three, but what changed between then and now for you guys to literally not miss in any part of this game
I think we were very playing super well. We just needed to have a talk to be more ad-dots, you know, while playing the game.
Don't search dopamine inside of their base. Just break the buildings. This is like the face of the ancients. Break the ancients. That's all that matters.
And that was the main thing. And of course, giving Tyloon Coca-Cola in the hamburgers, he only eats this.
secret all day but like he keeps winning and hitting everyone so like okay just give him Coca-Cola and hamburgers
That's it. That's the recipe
Yeah, I wanted to ask you about some of the prep that went into the game today
Like did you guys prep the way and the drafts you had only because of yourselves?
Or was it also because you play against tundra and they're pretty they're quite a sole team
Uh
The drafts I just like listen to my coach. He does everything
but uh, I feel like we
About it being slow, I feel like left hand, they're after against Tundra, they're after
against Falcons, it's more easy, right?
Because they're just super good with their heroes and they're gonna pick it no matter
what.
But the first game we played against them, they are just countering themselves into
our heroes and they still win.
So I feel like we know they're gonna be stubborn with their heroes and then we get
skills as an advantage, right?
But the bad thing is that you're facing their best heroes.
So like, first game they had Invoker, it's like his best hero.
You know it coming so like you can either ban it
cause you know he wants or you can either make a plan against it
and we chose to make a plan.
Yeah, I think that makes sense.
You guys did that pretty well.
So you talked about patience in an interview you gave.
I wanna show you a clip
cause there's a game you played Disruptor.
I think you weren't that patient in that one.
So I wanna hear what you talked about.
You know, after all this happened,
how did you guys like learn from this play?
I don't worry, he's having fun.
What do we think about this one?
This one was no patience.
You are right, this one was no patience.
It was a bit of a luck as well, but it was no patience, and we learned now, right?
I think this game we did better.
I don't want to remember that loss, but I think about the win now.
No, that's fine, but did you have like, I mean, how did you go from, because it's
kind of hard.
I think very vague like how did you guys go about it and like the talks afterwards to like is it like about being more clear about taking the
100% play but like how do you instill you know the more calmness in yourselves I
Mean
It's like we had a team talk we were talking about that we like we were already winning every game
So like it's easier to have this talk right because like we were already winning every game
We weren't vintage and like I'm almost every game we played and
And then after that we were throwing so like everyone knew that this was the problem
everyone knew that we had to do this we talked as a team I even was talking a
lot with Tastini about this like he was like I was like watching him and he was
like giving me like here you need to be more patience blah blah blah blah blah and
then I like talk with my team so yeah like I was like I was like searching a
bunch of things you know like talk to my coach what we should do talk with
Yuma Yuma we should do this so like basically we just had a bunch of talks because the daughter was already there
That makes a lot of sense. Well, you guys did really good. Thanks for all the insights and see you in Malta
You like AJ. Yeah, he was uh giving some some good insight there telling us all about it dropping a little bit of
Insider
Information that steve he's a freelancer now. We all know he's potted ways
With p vision a lot of people wondering what was gonna be his next move and apparently it is
and it's just the to help out.
His fellow brethren over at heroic
and look it showed whether you know
it was down to that.
Obviously all the prep caps was
able to do for them too.
They had everything fall into place
and they took advantage of that.
They to oh Tundra and right now
they're busy getting to pack their bags
and meet us here in Malta.
Yeah, major props.
There's no luck involved here.
No chance.
There's no Tundra woke up on the
wrong side of the bed.
No heroic.
They just own.
They just straight up played super
played super well. It's a well deserved victory. There's no
ands ifs or buts about it. They just they they owned they
played super well and I'm really really impressed by them.
Yep, they had a plan against some of their best heroes. KJ
giving a fantastic interview there. But it means that it's
time for us to move on to our final best of three for
boss Sam. It is liquid up against game Legion.
the two of them, Amar, brought by the step from Nisha to bring Amar down critical!
Training at that standkey, two men's top, and Yatoro's in trouble. Half HP training, bail him out with an ice path.
A little bit of focus by your damage on the Mikae, but he has to run away.
See, we've got the magnetized, so we're up with the yaw, kicking back into the team, and Yatoro will be hunted dead.
Tyos been caught up. While stop away, Regina's coming through late. Tyos already dead.
No buyback on your sniper. Which one of the bosses is going to step by?
I'll see why don't
Crystal is now trying to get a cookie the giklinks out of here, but again
You really just can't disengage from this line up
They are going to stick on top of you in fact I see why is now looking for the kill on a mid one as well
Good hook back from Yamaha. He's hidden damn hard
Mouse eliminated
Game alligion have already played a best of three for themselves and they eliminated a mouse something
I don't think a lot of people thought would have happened and now they're facing up against liquid for a spot here in Malta
Maybe we could see a potential upset similar to what we just saw heroic taking out pundra there
But is it really that straightforward of people underestimating maybe overestimating game religion now or an appropriate amount?
I think people are underestimating and I think specifically
on the game-religion side that believe this is the case.
Yeah, here we go, go on.
Also, I don't know what the cashers have been saying these days,
but I think it's time to drop the last ranked, every turny thing.
And I agree, these people on the left side of the panel,
questions will take a lot of time.
Let me respond, I want to have a quick response.
The thing is, though, with that, for example,
is they historically get second to last place.
So he is correct.
They don't get last place.
They at least win one series to then get second last.
It's not, again, they get to the tier one events.
They are naturally always in the bottom 50%,
but right now, they are currently
on a better trajectory than before,
but you still are a bottom 4-6 team in anywhere they go.
There is a multitude of reasons that could add up to that.
You've already given away a little insight, Quinn,
that you've had private calls with them.
True.
I didn't know that.
They're going to rate them appropriately.
If I don't know that, Mr. Quinn Calliman is like,
ring, ring, guys.
I'm on the phone.
Well, he gave them.
You don't make this play.
Go here, guys.
Just do this.
OK.
He gave them a bit of a call earlier as well
and spoke specifically to Speed.
So you guys have been together for quite a while now.
So how do you feel your progress and improvement
have been recently compared to the early days?
I would say way better.
I think early on, it's just really hard.
You lack a lot of structure.
I don't think anyone has a great idea
of how to practice, how long you should practice,
what you should do.
But ever since we got our new coach,
I'd say he's given us a lot of structure.
That's probably been the biggest change,
just spending less time doing basically random shit.
it's just kind of a waste of time and very draining.
So yeah, just it's been way different recently
because of that.
Okay. Yeah, that's totally fair.
And a last question.
How has like altering your schedule to play EU pubs
and scrims and stuff when y'all are back home?
How does that affect your day to day life?
It's honestly terrible.
I'm going to keep it a stack.
I love being at home.
Love being with my friends and my family
but like when it comes to Dota,
it's just like kind of trash
because we have to play scrims right in the morning,
which like people are not going to have sympathy for
because it's like, oh, they have to wake up for their jobs
and like, you know, everyone has to do that.
But I do think there's a big difference
between like giving your all,
like literally like being full focus immediately
when you wake up or like very close to when you wake up
and compared to like, it's just like going all out
for a competitive game of the Dota
is like draining it's heck just woke up.
It's just really hard to do that.
And I think that does affect us.
Plus, we have some ping issues.
Pubs is just rough because you wake up, you play scrims,
until like three or four with replays.
And then because you're from NA, the pub time in EU,
it's already 11 or 12.
And most good players are done playing for the day.
So now it's like, do I really want a pub?
Not really.
So, yeah, I don't know. It's not great. I think we play a lot better as a team wants to become to you
for those reasons.
Get to like chill more in the morning, wake up, and play our screens. So, yeah.
Yeah, the struggle ever since I knew pubs died has been rough for sure.
Well, thanks for your answers. I appreciate it and that's the luck today.
Well, thanks for doing that interview Quinn,
Dragon all information out of speed and look it is showing the fact that they're now on that EU schedule on that grind set mindset right now for them
They won against mouse and now they have the chance to win against the liquid
They absolutely do have the chance
I will say that I think it's closer than maybe it has been for them in the past because I think that this tournament
They have looked pretty good, you know
I was gonna agree straight up with Quinn's statement of like that at least I underestimate them at least slightly until it's like
Well, I put them in Levin when you put them
Well, they just built your entire bases, but I agree.
I think they have looked better.
So I'm happy to see a good BL3.
Yeah, and also you have to respect what
GamerLegion, X Wildcard, X Apex, Genesis, you know,
there's a whole list of their journey together,
what they've done to the region.
They are lifting the mantle of North America, even RCY.
He was playing on Team DogChamp in the DPC era.
He didn't have any tier one placements.
He then joins this roster.
Suddenly, he's now getting tier, you know,
seven tournaments under his belt in the tier one scene.
Again, like we mentioned,
His best position or placement is still kind of in that 9th to 11th mark in the 16 team tournaments
They are yet to break into a top 8 with RCY on the roster ever since they've been playing for a couple years
So it's like this is the best of three if they are able to beat Liquid if they can get themselves to mortar
It is the best they've ever performed they break into the top you know top 8 of a tournament top 6 of a tournament
It was incredible for them and it's just a long road being the only North American team the true North American team
having to play on these pubs was like it's only elves against them and at some
point it will click and they'll be able to do it and I'd argue they are in better
form than they've been in past but statistically they are the underdog in
most series. Well I would argue maybe this is the one series they're not
really the underdog because Liquid themselves have been looking shaky they
lost a couple qualifiers they played in an online tournament before this and
despite having four TI finals appearances between the split of what
That is X liquid, X GG all melded together now.
It hasn't really clicked the way a lot of people thought that it was going to.
They still had a phenomenal group stage, almost got to skip this and go to semi-finals, but
it just wasn't to be and now they have to prove themselves in the best of three, not
best of ones.
Yeah, I mean I think this is a team that definitely still is yet to prove and yet
to find that peak form because I think they are all amazing players, right?
They are tier one players, not just amazing players.
and I think they have that potential.
They're past games.
These losses, I think there's some inconsistency in the drafts.
There's some weirdness and some hipster that comes out sometimes.
The boat boy?
The boat boy, I think is a big one.
The Huskar Anisha is not a hipster pick, but it is not very him.
And I think sometimes there's these other picks
that they play the game with Kerry Leshrac.
Sometimes they think they get a little too big for their britches.
They deviate a little bit from the norm, and it can bite them.
And so I think every gamer legion, you stick to your guns,
And you hope that Liquid does this because I think while they have the potential, they also have the potential to overshoot the mark a little.
Hasn't Liquid always just been the team where they find their heroes and they play them so well that you kind of feel lost.
Like how do we deal with the Nature's Prophet, the Lunas and all their stuff right now?
I'm still looking at Liquid, I'm like what is your heroes?
Like what are your like the Falcons, Tundra, Eskiv? Like what's your true identity?
Because once they find it, sure, they'll always be top 4 drifting towards the top, but there's been some tournaments.
I mean, to be fair, the last one was fourth, third, fourth.
Again, let's exclude the Dream League.
That's just kind of how they would go there.
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I would say so. I think both will be contested for sure. I definitely agree.
But I think Liquid historically has been early picking the Centaur more than they have on the Lord.
Well a couple more bands, I'd pick Amelie to now. Braza, I feel like I'm saying that just every game.
SF2 and then Trant.
Which is interesting because this force is Liquid, at least from what I can see into like a slightly different first pick.
They've had some tiny first pick. A Razor, a Shadow Demon, none of those are open.
but they do get their hands on another hero who's been banned in, what, like, 80% of games?
Yeah, it's being banned almost a shocking amount.
Yeah, so I'm a bit surprised.
I honestly didn't expect Hero to be banned as much as it has been this tournament.
Like, the hero is definitely very strong, and you can play it on core roles, you can play it on support,
so there's some flex going on, but I kind of respect Gamer Legion leaving it.
If you're gonna test the hero, I think you don't give Liquid this raise, you don't give him the Shadow Fiend.
So, leaving Batrider is just me borrowing the mission, but I think...
I like this contest, but I don't think Warlock makes a great deal of sense necessarily in response to that.
Warlock's just there. It then looks towards the later pick.
Like, what carry are you picking up to utilize the Warlock's hill to maybe find a threat?
And of course, they really do need more information before they do that.
With Batrider, we've seen it 3-4-5. I think in 3, you just fall farmed by the aura's 33-style, really obnoxious.
It's not really an ace hero, is it, on offlane? That's not the one I would see him play.
I don't know what the optimization is, but the hero itself is pretty nice.
You know what I would say? A bad warlock can be a bit too sighted.
Once bad has a blink force, I think it's very good for a bad, because you can always choose your fight.
But if it's not super fast for the bad to kill and so on, then the warlock team just turns around on the last guy being dragged in.
But when it comes to the laning sage, I think you can just skip waves also if you're the bad, you can pull it around.
I will say that is maybe the thing that Liquid has going for them is having someone like Tofu move from a position 4 to position 5.
He's very comfortable and confident in playing the Batrider.
Yeah, you can definitely put it on the 5 position Ace, you all mentioned it.
It's not as bread and butter, I would agree.
But I do think Liquid has very, very good bans in the Abandoned Weaver.
And I'm a little surprised Gamer Legion didn't prioritise those on 9 instead of 2nd phase.
I'm
Especially with the bands like what happens down the line when a hero that we've completely forgotten about so far in the last two days
Darkseer an og hero the liquid hero now. They're returning what happens a tusk gets picked up from liquid the dark seer and the closing phase of the
Second pick like warlock comp pressure that you now have the aura the initiation. There is a world where liquid
Again can exploit this warlock with it with heroes that definitely other teams just haven't touched at all
I mean generally most of the beefy aura guys, which is like Ace in a nutshell, most of its heroes are definitely very good against Warlock.
But it at least gives Gamalison the easier setup I think for them, like with your safe lane.
You can look for that later with some Warlock Ursa, Warlock Sven, Warlock Insert.
Most carries will just be doing fine in that lane.
They take the Tusk themselves?
This is an interesting one to me.
Taking your two supports back to back like this.
So there's a dynamic where you want to see where Bat's going, right?
Is he a core or a support?
I think that's part of the reason why they do it.
But for Liquid then to not show where Batredder's going,
they need to pick mid here blind.
So there's a weird dynamic of what hero are you going to show
because you have to show something, right?
You have three picks on Liquid side
after this little segment here.
So you will be showing a core.
GameLegion wants to respond to that.
So there's a lot of like shenanigans that go on here.
And a lot of teams don't like first two in their supports.
That's typically been something throughout Dota history
It's not very popular and so it's interesting they go for it here
I think it's somewhat powerful if a game legion because of how generic these supports are like warlock can play most lanes with the correct carry
Tusk can play any lane because of your weight wave pulling your map play right and the information we've seen multiple clips from
Boxe and Saksa throughout the group stage. So they believe picked through the strongest
I can do anything type supports at least with the laning aspect. So while Tusk is like a super good here
I do think he loses some value against bad simply because it's one of the few heroes you actually cannot save against
You cannot snowball safe against Lasso, so it loses a bit of value to me
But it's overall good with Warlock if you have like the the melee support that can do stuff
Liquid have done this once before I think it showed earlier like Boxy played one plus four Earthspirror game
I will not say this is good
But they somehow know how to make it work and it looked good in that game
It was a win in that game, but I don't know if I would say the Earthspirror 4 looks good
Boxy low key kind of was was feeding. He was grief and that's what you're making
Oh, well, obviously I'm just saying.
She didn't say the G word.
If space created was not a meme, that was what he was doing, you know?
He ended the game 1, 4, 26, guys. What's happening?
That sounds pretty good. That's where I was starting off.
I think we've just slandered on Boxy's name.
Guys, there's not many Earth Spirits 4 players in the wild.
If we talk about it like this, there's no retreat back to their game.
I'm a lot to make fun of Earth Spirits 4 players, all right?
Sure. All right, you do you.
This is setting them up for a really good Ember pick on Liquid if they want it so this bat
I think it's most likely off lane. Yeah, I think that is super good
Liquid their heroes are mega strong early at fighting
They have a ton of magic damage
But there will come a point where you're playing against pipe and if you're playing it's elusive heroes where these heroes can fall off
So while I think there's synergy between these liquid heroes. There's also
Shortcomings, I think Queen is a good response there like it's super good against all these heroes could with tusk with warlock
It makes a ton of sense. The only question is, is the Ember response or like even the Huskar response on 18?
Is that too much?
I will say, like, I like the quap not just for the reasons you mentioned,
but there is a world where you can also just play safe and quap into the warlock and with the warlock against the Bat, I think.
If you get like giga counterpicked on 18, like you're saying, I don't think that's like a bad way of dealing with it at all.
At least for me, in regards to game allegiance, like identity, it is reminiscent of game one against mouse,
where they have these strong laders that want to react.
They're not chasing the map. They're just waiting. You make a misplay, we will counter you.
Sonic Wave, Wikipedia, Tusk, you know, Dolomites, and more like that.
They've got all these little tools to kind of invite liquid and then go,
you've made that mistake, you've made that one bad role, the one bad initiation.
So at least Game Legion, looking at some previous success they've had in this last challenge.
I do not like this Winter Ranger.
Uh...
I was talking about the first three, not the Winter Ranger.
Yeah, no, I know you are.
It doesn't
Like they want a pipe hero and I think they also want another melee hero like they want some tanky guy
And even if they're not comfortable picking their offlaner here
Which I feel like they should be to keep the quad flex alive like as I mentioned against the Batrider
I think that would be really nice now with this Windranger pick
They carry a mid or locked in and they need an aura boy last which means liquid can do something because you talked about in
The past they're just pre-picking Ursa so now their aura boys become worse and they also get two bands on them
So it's it's very strange for me. I think it also pairs badly with warlock. There's a lot of reasons. I think
You mentioned the game religion there
As much as they're kind of inviting the aggression to counterplay when they do want to go make their own moves
It is a little awkward right tusk and win range or your main setup outside of Golem. So your cheap stuns it's
Kind of low cooldown but not big and impactful to stuff an ember spirit
So yeah, nature is gonna potentially run wild with a with an ember game
Yeah, and this is a sick Ember game.
Like, in terms of, like, Liquid also, it's not just a good Ember game against what Gameligeon have.
It fits Liquid so well. They want to play fast, they want to play on skirmishing.
Same with Bat and Earthsphere. Like, all these heroes love having each other.
Like, Jukira is set up from Ember, Earthsphere can roam on the Ember lane.
You have Bat right here together with Ember. Low spells. Like, low cooldown spells. Everything is just nice.
Bani outhouse got low, so they are respecting Gameligeon, you know, throwing the Queen of Pain to, say, the off lane.
Windranger then goes carry, then you get a counter, which does open up for, let's say, you know, Tidehunter to enter the last phase for Game of Legion.
Because Liquid, I think Game of Legion, they lean on the creativity, right? I think Jamsen has been showing some, like, the Omni-Carry or whatever, so...
Of course with scrims, you never know what they're doing behind closed doors, but, yeah, leaving some auras available for Game of Legion.
I mean, I think definitely that's what you want.
I look at this game and I feel like it's one of these games where you're picking an item,
not so much as picking a hero.
Like, you look at these dudes, you need Fat guy who buys pipe number four.
Like, it doesn't matter necessarily which one it is to me.
Like, there's some a little bit better than others.
Like, you know, you mentioned that Tide, and Tide's amazing here.
But I think Centaur is totally fine too, or any other is one of the random dudes.
So I think you're definitely looking at that if you're game-religion.
I think it's quite important for your line-up that you have another melee hero that
can sort of go in so it's not just Tusk. Yeah like if I mean if you can find the
if you can find the bands like on the Ursa maybe you can end up like left
taking some on the Lord like even Darkseer if it's not like the best like
like it you can buy grieves pipe loaders like all these items are actually
insane in this game against Liquid if you can get there I mean I would be a
bit surprised if Gamreligeon don't ban out the Ursa warrior that we do
talk about very frequently. It's here that's been kind of cropping up in
in the last phase, we spoke about a couple times at Sven.
Like, is Liquid looking for just the generic carry
that can just be a bit more explosive and damage?
Like, when you find a hero with that Ember,
it's like, Ember gives you the information,
boom, make it come, gets the kill,
because Kez is the, would have been a nice little option here,
somewhat explosive in his damage.
I mean, I do think that's nice.
Like, when you play off-same bat, you can't,
you want to drag a guy into like instant death.
Exactly.
So I think when you have like some Ursa, Sven, or insert,
like, I don't know what else they're looking for,
And then you think a little bit like what do Gamer Legion need?
So like all these heroes kind of fit.
Oh yeah, of course the Ursel is not respected in the band, so that does come available of course.
Quickly, I do think that there's some skill expression in this mid lane.
Like Queen versus Ember is not some lane that Ember stops.
Or anything along these lines that Queen even has the potential to win
depending on how it's played, how the block is, the skill builds, there's a lot of deviation there.
So it is a lane that while Ember is quite good against Queen,
It's not an ultra black and white and there's a ton of magic damage on Liquid.
So if Queen doesn't get off to a good start, she can become very, very difficult to kill this game
with Warlock, Kiehl's potential glimmer, and just the bondage faster.
It's also just fun in the fact that you've, oh, they can drop a rare one, a return.
Tenacious Prophet, go!
I mean, I was just going to quickly end my point on the, with the Queen of Pain Ember as well,
like with Taz going to mid, Warlock just needs one TP, soak up a couple grimoire charges,
and then now his game takes over he's you know progressing the map but they just profit getting thrown into the mix it's
It is a quick-looking map play right profit TPing in back at finding heroes a spurt of course boxy
You call him what like a dog on a leash that runs across the road or something like that is him
That's exactly that. I can a game of Legion. Oh, oh, where are you?
You know the entire game and behind him, maybe with the order me out potentially
But between the two of them they are gonna be just punishing game allegiance TP the entire game
Let's see Mr. Fade, what shall it be?
Centaur is still in, like anything that gets on top of natures is kind of cool, underlord
I think is still fine.
You want auras for sure, but if they don't go auras then there's like Mars, but I still
think I'd agree, the aura is so good.
Huh, hold up.
I mean it's a good frog game, it's a really good frog game, but it's the best
liquor game I've ever seen, there's like so much stuff to purge.
Fade's tongue will be dry by the end of this game, he's gonna need some water.
I think you better keep that moist for sure.
No, yeah.
Maybe Mithgamerz will take the little set because Batrider, thank you very much, Earthsbrook,
nice match, thank you very much, Liquid Fight, thank you very much, Amber, good route, thank
you very much, Mithy, just for the fun of it, why not join the club, yeah, Fade,
he's just going to be going to town in game one.
There was a little bit of time deciding where this winter engine was going, but
it is Yampson picking it up, so overall they're going to put that Queen of Pain
and Ember mid to match up against each other.
And if you remember a couple days ago, Quinn,
you brought out the stat that I'll say,
why not on a spirit hero?
It's an L.
It's a no.
Whoa!
Whoa!
Whoa!
Bro, bro, bro.
Watch that.
Relax, everybody.
It's a joke.
It's just a joke between some friends.
So, Quinn, what were you saying about anyone?
Do you want to run it back?
No.
I mean, I think, I think liquid is,
this is a super liquid draft to me.
It's like mega kills, right?
It's we hunt you constantly.
We never stop.
go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
But I do think if game religion is
able to survive the early pressure,
if their lanes are good, especially mid,
and they're safe lane, so the winner
and your against that bat lane, then
I think there's a world where they can stave up the pressure.
They can start licking, and they can get to that mid game
and have chances.
But I worry, when I see Micky in that just profit,
I'm worried.
Yeah, this guy on this hero, you
don't just necessarily pick this hero against what
the enemies have, but that it just fits them.
And I think it really does.
So I do prefer the liquid draft this time around.
I think we already talked on it, you know, the gamer legion draft.
I think it's a little more like a bit wonky with like the two range cores and the Largo and the offline.
I definitely can see it, but this first 10 minutes, I think is giga scary.
But I mean, it's so important, though, because even though it's scary,
what happens if Tusk, Warlock and Queen of Pain are in the right place at the right time?
If they counter that aggression to then buy time for Fata to be the big Largo that we wanted to be?
All very good questions, but one more question I'll pose to you guys before we get into this game.
Is if we're describing the game Legion dropped with a little bit of a
How would you describe liquids dropped with a sound bite?
It's the dog of the front
We'll see who comes out on top in this game one of the best of three
I will live the analysis coming from our panel made me feel a little uncomfortable and that
is something that gamer legion probably shares being a comfortableness matchup against team
liquid because they are currently over the last three months zero and five against team
liquid every that's not the stat you want going into a elimination series however like
If we saw today Heroic, they turned it around, right?
They fixed their issues.
So maybe, Game Releasian will also surprise some people watching
and turn their record against Liquid around.
Though I will say, I think Liquid,
I'm not gonna say they got screwed
in the noisestotl tiebreaker, right?
But I think they are stronger
than them being in this series shows.
I think they were pretty formidable in the group stage.
Some of the games were pretty miss,
But the game's a hit, hit pretty hard.
I'm bringing back the nature's profit.
Do you like this pickup?
Mickey is not going to be caught in a first blood scenario.
So it's going to be liquid taking three different bounty runes
and not giving up first blood, at least not yet.
Do you like the nature's profit coming back?
Is this, is this a thing?
Yeah, I like it.
And whenever Mickey's playing, I like it.
I mean, it just works so well for this team.
You always have Nisha on the mid lane to give you that
Super saw scale anyway, no matter what hero he's on and the Earth spirit is a
Four that is gonna start out slow
But if the prophet could help him snowball get some early kills
Then you alleviate that weakness and then he's just a monster in the big game
So I do like to pick for a lot of those reasons. We have an aggressive tri-lane
What?
I mean these are certainly things
Just a temporary thing, right? I don't know
No. They do have Tusk.
This is them trying to dodge the Batrider, but I do not think Largo can exist in this
bottom lane.
Against Bat, especially with the wave getting blocked, they instantly shot out.
I think Fade can just die here straight up, actually.
Yeah, and we're gonna put that to the test here.
They roll on him, Fade holding on to the lick for now.
He can't lane though.
The problem with tri-lanes nowadays is people don't react, they just play the two on one.
And the two on one is always significantly worse than what you take away from the enemy carry.
There's also an NP who can kind of zone supports with treants, try and secure pulls,
and if he has to go jungle, he can.
Yeah, I mean they already got off a hard camp pull, and they unblocked there easy.
So they didn't have access to it at one minute, but they might have access at two minutes
minutes in less game religion I got a body block it I like the creativity but
they did not execute the setup for this lane switcheroo at all also and he can
just TP he's just going mid just that RCY no levels of blink one zero one has
to level up blank in order to stay alive here and does get his bottle
delivered so he's not gonna be heavily punished too badly he will have the
water runes taken away from him but it's pretty rough for him it really sways
this ember matchup I mean it's smart of r2i to hold the blink point he doesn't
die but it really hurts him in terms of that resource battle if I'm game
religion I'm instantly going on this profit though oh yeah second I have
tusk level two but they should not you go hot damn these so far away from
level two with a when you try lane like this I don't know why I need another
I
Just mega mega awkward maybe to work out overall I
Kind of like they're doing some laning shenanigans at least because I did not really like how they ended this draft with the
Win ranger Largo pickups
She's not up. I see the idea, but I think there's a terrible win ranger game
And I think ultimately they need a lot of net worth in this game to overcome the
The team fight liquid are proposing as well so that pressure. Oh
I'll show I just leveled up does not find the block the easy camp. They're gonna have to fight over that and
Likely liquid are still gonna get some kind of pole
Actually well controlled by big nun he draws full aggro of the creeps
We're kind of getting lane control up here
can definitely look for the Mickey kill and then shackle tofu time to go for tofu off the
tag team pop out from the right hand side and finally first blood is livered for gamer
Legion.
All right, you got to keep getting more of that in this lane because again your Largo
is not existed unless boxy abandons this lane he's kind of looking towards mid just
Thanks, Nisha.
Hoping to outright click on big numb.
He gets a lot of room.
Roll in from Boxxy though.
It's a good kick that hits both of them here.
And that's going to be great because the slide has brought them full flow.
Trying to pick which target they're going to go for.
OK, they take both of them out pretty easily.
And they're actually going to deny Nisha.
So he can die and go back full resources.
Boxxy will take the mid lane in the meantime.
I think being dolebound here, he'll be OK though.
If it was not nature's profit this would be working a lot better. Yes, that's a big issue in the Sun so
Also, I don't know about you but uh, I'm not that far behind Ace as long as he doesn't die here
He's really well. He's very far by a network was yeah
He's got some XP, but my issue with Largo is I don't...
I think he needs a lot of networkless hero, personally.
More and more I've watched him.
I'm gonna have to bign him a little bit, Paid. Can give him a lick, though.
Ace's Firefly's gonna run now. The TP coming in though.
The roll! From Foxy! Hits a nice two-man silence!
And once again, Liquid.
Had two kills posed in front of them, they're gonna try and collect on both of them.
now maybe even a third his speed tries to TP in but a warlock frankly isn't going to do that much
he's trying to get the kill on Mickey off the fatal bonds no luck all right this is spiraling
quite fast you do not want to be TP'ing into the sacrificial lane lago has nothing
this is brown boots level four lago you cannot fight around the zero into the spout rider
he will absolutely trounce you
you. This lady set up backfired extremely hard. Again, I do not think Largo is the hero
to do this with. I don't think you start it 1 and 3. I think you have to start it 2 and
2 and then rotate into the trialing so you get the equilibrium down here. This page
just got screwed. Box is a little blocked out here. No roll. Hope the Nisha can bail
him out the sonic wave. We'll finish him off. Slight chains on big num. Oh, something.
So Fu's got the follow-up of the blood grenade support for support and they found the high ground war two
That power room is pretty nasty here six minute amp damage
Mercy why has to be careful all these trades with the NPTP
It's scared him off the rune actually so we're already seeing just you have to keep that in the back of your mind
He's low. He's got a lot of resources. Oh, we did not expect that final bit of burst damage
He had two load of swords and a fairy fire only pot to one. That's a lot of death. That's a really bad death
How does he die down here like to Brown Booth Warlock, you know, but he's double Lotus fairy fire full free farm
Oh my god, does he actually give up the no, no Mickey? He's gonna help
Kick that frog. Yeah
I mean he actually leveled up his Hentidian Rhapsody at level 6.
Probably a situation for having to do with his whole solo, but RCY, nice juke.
Get behind the trees, Nisha overshoots it with the remnant and misses out on the kill.
find VK top. Very far away. Maybe he's got a snowball to stop it, and the shackle to follow
it up. VK very dead here. Let's see if Nisha get a return kill. It is Boxy if he hits the
roll in. Actually, Toppa's here on the other side with slowdown on Yamsen. They're just
going to run him down Yamsen hoping for the deny off of the neutrals, but Boxy is
the one to claim the last hit. That's going to be the struggle of the win range
the whole game. If you go into the fight, I don't really know how you get out. There's
too many little lockdown spells, too many disables with chains, lasso, ice path, Urspirit roll
silent. Steven's Sprout can be annoying for the zero because you don't want to buy Quilling
or anything. He does have one right now, but he will eventually slot it out. It's
going to be tough for Yamson to get in and out. When he commits, you got to go
in with the team. That said, the game religion are getting more out of this
earlier than I thought. Their position actually isn't that bad. They found the NP, Mikkei hasn't
gotten a lot of CS due to the tri-lane. The Largo's recovering bottom. For some reason,
Ace is afraid to lane down here right now? I mean probably not really sure why. He can't
actually kill Largo. I mean it's probably more efficient for him to just jungle at
this point. Mikkei is going to die to the Golem drop though. Sneaky situation.
Nisha up here, Chains on two, Tofu is able to get out of those ice shards and away from the power shot here.
Big Num is gonna be kicked down.
Jamsen circling around the side here will catch up to Tofu and bring him down.
And because of the golem, Nisha actually can't stick around to keep this fight going.
Goal super strong in the game.
Oh, he's almost dead.
RCY is gonna chase after him with this haste, and he's got a Sonic wave too.
He's trying to get more out of Nisha.
The last second he jumps to his remnant, dodges the sonic wave and keeps himself alive.
Ace trying to get real aggressive here, but he's gonna run right into big mountain and
fate is not afraid of fighting this whatsoever in a 2v1.
Ace with his drums trying to get away, pull back, isn't quite enough damage, ice path lands
and fate is going to die.
What a turn there.
Tofu shows up at the perfect time for Ace to get a double kill.
This is why I wanted him on the lane, and he's the most farm hero in this game,
he's mega strong.
Oh god, the king's on him, now a follow up silence and RCY dies mid on top of everything else.
So what could have been him killing Ember, turns into losing the co-op.
You don't have the co-op in the Sonic wait for that bottom fight, which means you lose heroes down there.
He gets Ember, he gets earned charges, he's gonna finish out his path towards what's he flying out.
Boots. So he's kind of chilling, gets a shield or two, he's gonna be very tanky on the map right now.
That was a big sequence for liquid even got another keyword around this mid lane
There's not allowing game religion any vision around this mid lane
You're gonna have her at the nature soon been a very slow game for Mickey, but he is the best recovery hero in Dota probably
Or it's gonna have a snowball and with it
Okay, it was supposed to pull big numb into the ice bath, but it doesn't really matter
They've just got the overwhelming advantage and they continue to get that like little bit extra gold
I don't think it's hugely impactful, but you do have that nature's profit
Facet so every single one of these kills are getting extra gold from the bags
He's gonna recover quickly this game. Keep giving them some of these deaths
And a lot of this action can be instigated from the bat or spirit ember
We just have such easy initiation pathway. So you really have to play discipline if you're gamer leader right here
Make a quick smoke
The best initiation though you're running straight into bat
Doesn't have fire flying for another five seconds. He doesn't have the extra moving speed boost the bear exotic way it hits on to
Pull back in ace getting over the cliff area, but he slowed down by the dagger
RCY feeling like he can't keep the chase going here and Tofu makes a run for in the left hand sign in Teepees away
They get out and now Yamson's gonna be in some trouble
Rollin doesn't land, but it gets the silence and as long as they don't lose sight of Yamson here
Should be a pretty simple kill
Okay, maybe not as simple with the Marshmages coming into play
here. TP away attempted. Let's see if he should get slight changing time. He doesn't. No way.
Was he really not in range to change him at all there? I have no clue. I feel like he was trying
to save it, you know, like in case the TP's are slowing, but that just ends up being a mega
waste of time. Yeah, it was. Man, this is a very chaotic game. It just does happen. Still,
that's a terrible attempt bottom for game religion. They used Golem. They're Tusk is level
they can't connect on this bat that they use double ult on. It's just too tanky early on.
And Ace is so farmed, a product of that laning setup, but he is still ginormous.
120 CS4 kills with that 13-minute mark. He's just going worse.
Aid run down in the mid lane and mid tower could be taken as well here.
Creeps are going to finish it off.
I think it's also an interesting Aisted Opt for the arsonist facet, which we've seen
other Batriders go for the Firefly one that does more damage, more movement speed, but
costs you a bit of damage as well.
This facet does a lot of damage.
That's a solo killer and in the fights if you stay alive.
It is extremely impressive if you get the levels early,
which he did here.
So he has a lot more threat,
just finding random heroes in jungle areas,
getting like solo burst damage in.
Maybe off chains,
macro fire, ice path, tons of damage,
but a bit of heal from Fade.
He's good enough, I see why I will not die.
Just gotta keep playing defensive.
Eventually get your win ranger more involved in some of these core pick offs because they need
Emson's damage to really threaten the ember of bat in this game. So it feels like
Elf's been done for Mikkei, so his farm is about to kick up a bit
You think it's mixture kills
Running down fade with lasso they've got a hundred percent Mikkei will cling the last hit on that one as well
just five man connection or your tier two so fast classic liquid gameplay right
here his frog is getting abused man in game of Legion you need to try and keep
up to the pace that liquid likes to bring otherwise you're just gonna get
run over so they try for it the smoke through the game going after ace big kill
if they can get it oh shackle it doesn't last they jump after him throw so
many ults the golem the sonic wave the focus fire everything they had
There's not much left for the second part of this fight here
Tofu kind of blocked in pulled out by boxy nice pull there big number getting a little bit low
They trying to get him out RC Y trying to finish off these supports though as another play screen
But the heroes are just too tanky
He's got to get out of here with the magnetize going out in fact the magnetize is still gonna connect boxy
He's some good boulders in fade. He'll be finished off, but look at all these low health heroes in the back line
He was a stain through it better than I thought
but still just not able to match the team fight presence.
Liquid's cores are giving them.
It just takes so much to bring this back down
that you don't have anything left for the rest of the fight.
So yeah, the fact that Ace got over that cliff
is what forces those ults out
because it disjointed him from the tough tag team
with the Winter Ranger going in
and removed so much of their damage.
Hamston couldn't finish him off.
Otherwise, next year, he's gonna be silent.
I think he's got the blink though.
He's good.
You need more dispells in this game.
That is one big weakness of this liquid lineup, is that they are really bad against dispell.
It's the reason the panel is talking about catching licks so much, but you need more
of them in this game at some point.
Some Lotus Orb on somebody you grieve if you can get it.
Glimmer Cage does a soft dispell.
You can definitely remove a lot from this lineup.
Slight change in the roll-in. He supports. It's just too easy for them to operate with an Ember spirit
Totally free game for Anisha
There is no threat on him pretty much and aces
Start to solo kill some some fools out here. Yes
So you said I've been I've been wanting assets for a while
You said you saw the vision with the wind ranger
I think you didn't really elaborate on that because I did feel like I've heard a lot of the bad things about win ranger
Here, what was the idea? It was the good ideas for win ranger in this this game. What you mean this game?
Yeah, no, I said I hated it. I didn't see no big shots
I don't worry you got that I didn't got you said that like five minutes or something
You're like I kind of see you were saying negative things about it, but you said like I kind of get it. I
Don't remember saying that maybe I did but if I did I take it back
I retract that. I never meant to. No, I hated the Winter Ranger pick. I said, I think I said I didn't see the vision with their last two picks in the Winter Ranger Largo.
Because to me these two heroes don't
bounce out the trap enough
and give them that laning like the early game presence they needed.
There's got to try for our smoke here, but again, these plays are just so hard to land.
The box is so good with the Earth Spirit.
Snowball to chase him. Tofu, make it his way down the river.
RCY is going to catch up and Tofu best he can afford.
He got it! No way! The shards!
He woke up the boglets and the boglets did just enough damage.
I think that's symbolic of how this game has gone.
Box, he's still trying to get out of here by the way.
Deep behind enemy lines. His lane ward gets countered.
He rolls up RCY. He connects here.
Snowball, pull him back into it and stop that deep away. Okay, two pick offs here for
Gamer Legion takes five heroes for a while, but they get there.
Misha's just casually farming in their base. No problem.
I will say the single target scale in this lineup is pretty insane with Tusk, Winter Ranger, Qwab.
I do not doubt that part. Like if they ever find an isolated core and they can just throw everything on them, that guy will die.
absolutely no question about that even later in this game this furion
furion gets diced up by this one Ranger pick so well I do not see the overall
vision I can I can see that individual aspect work out and they're there
you have some little interactions that work for sure
they just need utility in this game but they're so far behind the utility is
It's going to be so much slower than what Liquid are bringing to the table.
They already have a Greaves on Jokiro.
They already have Pipe, Boots of Baron on this Bat going into Lotus Orb.
Mage Slayer for the Ember, by the way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Very nice Mage Slayer game.
Their damage is just going to fall off the cliff.
100%.
I don't know what damage there is other than the Windranger Focus Fire.
You're going into a Pipe Mage Slayer.
Mage there hits everybody and you're fighting pipe.
Largo does nothing, Queen does almost nothing.
Trying to test this Roche.
It's gonna be a pretty decent broadcast off RCY.
Oh, he caught the last hit on Roche on,
but couldn't grab the Aegis, Nisha.
Too quick there and he's gonna roll on out
with big magnetized out from Box.
He caused him some chaos.
Gamer Legion start backing away.
Bigdown does actually run down Tofu.
They'll get one kill in that situation
and downplay Ace is gonna finish him off
as well as the rest of Gamer Legion.
pretty much all gonna get run down here only the wind ranger to survive man I
was so close to being amazing from RCY that is absolutely the correct play
your your lineup is too good around that Roche pit to give up that objective for
free I am glad they went for that play I think that was the correct call very
close to being successful there with bombs sonic wave almost stealing Roche
but he's just too good too fast on the trigger and now it's objectives into
objectives they take the Roshan in the corner of them okay that was a close
call 20 hk level I'm thinking but they they take tormentor as well he did the
about I guess so so close I can't believe more gamer legion thing just go
for it man RCY was the only one to really you know full commit it hesitated
a little I agree they should just full-sent everything in that I feel
Like the moment like fate gets that frog stomp in the pit and they see a little Roshan like liquids committed
They're gonna sit in that frog stomp. You got to get in there
But understandably fate was trying to chill out because he still does not have anger in scepter this hero might never have
The damage is pretty bad on the hero
Outside the laning phase until you get ag
I mean once you get eggs you got a really nice powerspike but these eggs have been so delayed man
There's no powerspike in this game. Oh, yeah much
They did throw them to the wolves so
That's what you get
Couldn't even finish off boxing the base just too tanky as her spirit
They killed the hero too fast which caused him to roll in.
They have too much to actually roll good right now.
I don't think I've ever heard that be a problem before in the Dota game.
It's still two minutes on this ages.
I like how Liquid are playing the map.
I think this is where Ace shines as a player when you can kind of play as oppressive from the head Dota.
He just takes over so much space, rarely gives up that bad death, plays in the right spot on the map, threatens people, abuses the fact he's super tanky with Oras, and just frees up so much space.
It builds net worth leads incredibly fast. This is what we saw with Game and Gladiators 2.
Definitely was working well here because Furion's just gonna vacuum your side of the map
So if the Batrider could play up on game religion side take away their camps then you're just losing 2 or 3k every minute or two
There's not a lot of line-ups or teams that are gonna be able to overcome that so it's time for some drastic action here
If you are game religion you got to get the frog eggs
You got to get
Well, yeah, you got to get the frog, that's about all you're going to get. And then you
got to do something without there is no items incoming for gamer Legion outside of that
egg. Like Gamsten's working on a dragon lands. It's not a largely impactful item. RC Y
is trying to go for a load of Sarb as he said, great dispelled skin, but yes, you
Yeah. Not trying to help you all building it though.
I don't know about that part.
I don't know if I want my Queen building Lotus or Third, but...
Gotta do what you gotta do, I guess.
You're scouted by Treans, bottom.
Oh, Jampson, I feel like this is a situation where you just leave your support bail.
Oh, no.
I mean, they immediately, they see Jampson and they're like,
screw this big num kill. Let's take the carry out of the equation and Nisha is
hitting tier three. Yeah he does not care. He's got that Aegis refill in 10 seconds.
Go R.C.Y after him. Yeah they're gonna smoke after him. They have vision on a
hero that is low with Aegis about to expire if they could only get there in
time what the hell is they doing back here try to buy his axe man he is no
way to get to his own shop
okay well we finally have Largo axe we'll see if it will magically
transform these team fights though there are really any team fights
happening it's just here was getting picked apart RCY getting away with the
Glimmer cape links teleports the roll in is going to nail in though and our CY
After all I on blinks to get back to base and that's simply not gonna happen too many stuns here
Well
This one guy
I
Mean sometimes you just get rolled dude, I love some of the creative elements
Do you live when you play the sound game? We'll be heading home now boys
No, it's not that bad ever everybody gets off every now and I think this was I just think this draft got code
Because that's those last two picks. Yeah, I mean they also did the aggro try lane which you know didn't really work out as you said
Look at that thing they seem committed to a game plan and then the major profit pick up really screwed them
Either that or they saw NP and kind of like soft panicked it felt bad to go for it
But either way did not this is not the hero to try laying against the thing
Okay, hold away kicked away
And now that you've got this this pullback on Earth spirits
Could be a great boxy hero moving forward
Lost sight of speed, he's body blocking him though, almost got the kick back.
Get the money bags, don't want to leave those on the ground.
Oh, nice hit, Foxy!
I'm moving target man leads it
You like the barracks and game religion
Now this one's toasted
You can you could probably call it any anytime here. This is a full best at three. You still got other games to go
This one's got off the rails man. I do like
Their willingness to try some great things you if they backfire, you know, they're not always gonna work
Got executed better get up, but
How does he dislike that idea?
Pick them.
Rapid response to Ace making the initiation on Fades.
Problem is, no matter how good your counter initiation is, 29,000 networks up on you.
It doesn't really matter what stealthy cast and when.
Yep. I'll do it. I'll do it right there.
That was quite a trouncing.
Don't think they really had anything going for them.
that game, your game. Maybe RCY was kind of playing fine, but just can't finish off these
heroes because they're so farmed off the leading pace. I mean, the lesson there is you do not
want to leave a 2 on 1. For that long, you don't want to let it start in that way either.
There were a lot of little mistakes in that lane setup that make a huge difference. If you're
going for a trial and like that, you need to be very practiced in these tri-lead setups
to execute the middle high level, which is why we don't see a lot of teams do them.
It isn't any classic, but it did not forbid.
Nope, it did not, and that means Gamer Legion is just now one game away from elimination at Blast Land.
Gamer Legion, unfortunately, not able to find success with our last pick, Lago, a hero that has had a tumultuous history right now in Blast Land 6,
and Liquid really bring the firepower with a fantastic last take with Nikkei's Nature's
Prophet. One you'd know very well, wouldn't you, Quinn?
Don't imply anything with that. Okay, yes, I know his Nature's Prophet well, and he owned
this game. They all did. And to be honest, I think Gamerlid had kind of shot themselves
in the foot. When you do this trialing crap, there's so much volatility added into the
game. And I think against a team like Liquid, it really thrives on volatility that
likes running tons of heroes around.
You're also against nature's profit, right?
They can always bring more numbers, fights.
You're just putting yourself in such a dangerous situation
for no good reason.
I mean, when Trilings were played like all the time.
Well, sorry to jump in, but just like this moment here,
it kind of seals the deal.
Like when your ace has got his free time,
then you have the lago which on paper you think
is accounted to the back,
so you can lick off the sticky.
He then doesn't lick himself.
He licks ace and then he dies
and then ace gets a double and that to me was like,
The whole pick, the whole concept, it's falling apart.
Yeah, like here they try something cool, but I just want to go back to Quinn's point about like tri-laning against Nature's Prophet.
Even when tri-lanes were like the thing 10 years ago, Nature's Prophet, he was like the D counter to this type of meta.
So I feel like Game Religion, you know, they tried to go big in this game and it didn't really work out.
I respect it. It's also like not that hard, I would say, to switch it up for the second game.
But yeah, Liquid, they just look good. I mean, making Nature's Prophet, I don't think much needs to be said.
It's a fast meta. Ace got to buy his items. It was very clean.
Yeah. Honestly, it wasn't much more too within that, unfortunately.
Like, I think game religion, they showed some signs of good-looking stuff.
Like, there are some of these scrimmages that they actually come on top of, right?
It's not just full 100-0. They're losing every fight.
I think RCY had some moments where he looked like he was playing comfortably.
You know, he was in the zone. He was making some nice moves,
but it kind of just isn't enough.
And you also, you know, I go back to this winnager, QWAP duo they picked there on 16-17.
like, it's just, it just doesn't hit. They do make some nice move here, where they go up on Nikkei
top and they open this tower. They're bringing their heroes, they're combining together. I think
all this stuff is very nice. It's just Liquid comes in, then after, and they combine their heroes too.
It's just, ah, Liquid's such a classic skirmishing team, and you're just handing them exactly what
they want. Yeah, and we haven't really spoke about boxy's us for it too much, right? But now,
in competitive tier 1 games since TI, there's been 10 us for it games, 9 in the mid lane,
one in the support position. Now it's the second time, boxy being both of them. They are bringing
a hero that no one wants to touch into that support role. So I feel like it is complimenting
the embers and the bats and especially the nature's profit return. Like it is a scary
skirmishing lineup. You need to be ready at every minute of the game or you will get run over.
It's also cool what I saw just to jump in quickly because people will look to like steal
his tusk, which is what they did. And they added on his side, I said he can pull people
again. And you saw it in this clip actually that when people get shouted off, just pull
pull him out. Easy game. I didn't really have anything important to add to make a longer point. I'm so sorry,
Nath, please back to you. No, okay. I was just gonna say, I think until you reveal the ember, that's
pretty good because we also see it viable in the mid lane. So you do still have to adjust in the back
of your mind, think about that it might not be put in that support position. Yeah, I mean, I didn't
even think about the GMA magnetic grip change. That is pretty cute. And I wonder if that's
like a consider, oh, wait, it was just because Kenny made a point about it. And then it went
to me I didn't make a point about it and then you went back to Keser's point again
Quinkus doesn't listen to Keser. What do you mean?
No I was literally complimenting him. This time it's a compliment.
I ran a blank okay I'm not gonna define that one.
No the slaughter one was amazing. I had to like look around.
I just realized I said it like what happened to my brain but no like the grip
Sorry he's putting his hand up what's up to you.
No I actually like the asterisk just because the pull it's actually really cool yeah.
Oh I didn't think about that.
That's interesting.
Why did you talk about that?
I don't know.
Can you just say it again one more time just for the people at the back?
Okay.
Back to you, Nip.
No.
Back to going, what were you saying?
No, I mean, I think...
Overall, Liquid played, I think, much better this game than they have throughout the group stage.
I think there's overall a pretty impressive performance.
They've done pretty well in the group stage right there.
They almost made the top two.
But I think even still, a lot of their games are very close.
games are very close there were some nail biters in there some really really long
games that could have gone either way so despite their score they were kind of
middling in my eyes this game was very classic liquid dominance what we think of
them in the golden years where they're just mega stomping the worst teams and
so I think if you're game religion there's some draft stuff there's the
trial and stuff but also you kind of got thrashed on an individual skill basis
and so this game worries me for next game especially because liquid is
showing that I mean since the roster shuffle some paper they've always
is meant to be a dominant potential another legacy team.
They just haven't hit that same form.
So seeing this game go, oh, these players
can do what old Liquid did to be able to win the big tournaments.
If they can do it this time, what
happens if they do it again in the next game?
Then they come to Malta, and now they're really
showing that this is the Liquid they wanted to be
ever since they've added these players.
So for game Legion, respect what Liquid are doing,
and you have to, like, 180 your draft.
There has to be a whole new concept, because liquid early
game, phew, scary once again.
I think there needs to be a little bit of a respect that goes towards Ace as well because I don't think it was just one
I think it was two if the three of you guys said that is not an ace here
But he did really well with it throughout this game and T has his hand raised yet again. He likes items that that buys
Okay, so it's the items over here
Okay, I retracted that don't show him any respect
No, I mean he is kind of cooking this game though
I think he's a player that he likes this style right everybody knows that ace likes these items
And I think whenever you give him like that has changed right that and right now was playing this style where you use four zero four
This game he's farming ace is someone who knows a lot about the economy about how you farm certain camps and he
Love he does love getting gold similar to 33 in that way
And so I think on this better writer right now in this meta
I can see how it works very well for him
where he just gets to go and cut these waves and drag them all around, stack things up and get super far more boxy roams.
Like, I didn't think of that element of it that much, but I do think that suits them very well,
because boxy wants the gank and ace wants the farm to match made in heavy.
Conceptually as well, when you put ace into a game and then you only put fade against him,
like, to me that also sounds like you're not prepping correctly to beat liquid,
because ace is always the guy that wants to scale, be a bit more annoying, bring some life to, like, the skirmish fight.
If he has a free time, that's just going to only make Nisha or Mikkei or supports feel better.
You have to make him play on the back foot, make him play for recovery farm, so we can't join everyone else.
Yeah, because you used your head first.
I'd like to add to his point.
Yeah, very quickly.
Thank you very much.
I think not only that, because they must have had a reed that Largo would do better in this lane,
which it didn't, then they did the aggro try lane, which was garbage.
So I do feel like that can help you going to the next game to just be like,
okay, you take a breather and you go next, just do something different,
because look at this net worth.
This is minute 20.
Brother is below Tofu playing POS 5.
So, that is obviously not a very good sign, and to go back to whether Ace plays these heroes or not, I will say one of the things about this guy, you don't see this guy in pubs, like I don't know what he does, maybe he's smurfing, maybe he's not, maybe he's in demo mode all day, like Quinn says, you know, testing, oh, if I firefly these seven camps and then TP here with my travels, I can farm those four, like you don't know what this guy is practicing.
You had your Quinn up just before, I had him.
That's true, I had him.
I wanted to high five him, but he didn't.
Oh, okay, then.
Let's go.
You guys do.
I know where he's been because he's been playing bloody unranked like a menace with his Danish stack.
Me too.
And that's just annoying. You know, I'm just chilling there playing solo.
Yeah, so I'm just playing some casual unranked with my lads, you know.
And then I suddenly see Ace in the game playing like enigma and stuff in unranked.
Bro, get a life.
Like, what are you doing? At least try a new hero.
He is actively having a life. He's spending time with his friends playing...
Is it a 5-stack duo? Like how annoying are we talking?
It was a full 5-stack.
It was like Monday to Friday, we'd have like seven games in a row, and it was great.
We're having like big time grand finals against each other. It was going back and forth.
We were like four and three one day, three and four the next. It was great.
But I'm not grand finals. It was a legit hype. It was just these Danes just relentlessly queuing it.
It's like, God, God, chill Ace. And Ace is there like 20 and 0, having to drag some like Danish body across the game.
Like some crappy old ex-pro, you know what I'm saying?
Ace was insane.
I don't even know who this person is,
and you're like something going shade at someone, come on.
I don't know the guy's name.
There's like one guy who's like, yeah.
And then also, then after that, not only is Ace playing,
then CY comes in as well, who's like,
oh, I'm playing McQueen's Duke.
And he was just saying, yeah,
Unranked was fucking great like a month ago.
It was amazing.
I want to slide to you, I want to slide to you.
He's really thick.
Oh my gosh.
The ball is competitive, right?
It's, yeah.
But no, yeah, that's where Ace has been.
Maybe if he's not in ranked games,
He's just down at unranked, just great.
He's the mini grand finals.
So outside of the mini unranked grand finals,
I want to summarize what we've been talking about
for game allegiance to look towards game number two
and this best of three.
Don't try lane.
Don't last pick Lager.
Don't back to back.
Can last pick Lager.
Oh.
Okay.
This is why I'm clarifying.
Don't pick Windranger and Queen of Pain back to back.
Amen.
Amen.
That's it.
Another mod add onto it.
And lock in a little more.
Because they were all locked out.
The last two keys are hidden under the bush, they're like rumbling around in the brush,
and they did not find their keys.
They're still locked out, so we need them to lock in, get inside the house, the deadbolt.
Good lanes have early aggression and you can fight liquid, maybe build some auras if you
can, and be ready for the dog running wild on the map.
This boxy, that's it.
The idea is guy, gotta just tone down a second, basically whoever in Game of Legion
was the one over-cooking, just that guy on the show, because whoever thought
something
Sometimes that happens man like that clearly was one guy going okay against this when he's trying to do this and like
They were like shot. We'll try it right well whoever had the idea just turn it down
You don't need to be that creative even though we we just don't see trillions anymore
Like I also we don't see sort of offlaners
For a reason for a reason if they execute on it sure I want to say it again
But the way they played it made me kind of go to cooldown
I want to see trillions for like 10 more games. All right, please look in adia's guy
We don't need you here right now, but we do need a break to get us a little bit closer to game 2.
With two new players joining the team, do you feel like you've had to take on more leadership
or communication type roles, or are you still just sort of doing your thing?
Good question, good question.
I think with the two players, I would imagine, because obviously I didn't know how they
work in-game or outside of the game so I didn't know what to expect but I would
imagine because Tofu was like very eager to take like the like leadership role
or whatever it was like the drafting role at least because we needed that but
I would say I expected him to be more vocal in-game but I think it's it's
It's mostly me and Boxy calling stuff, and it's sometimes random, so I think they are
both doing their thing and playing and calling random stuff.
Okay, interesting.
How does it feel having a more farming off laner again?
Ace is obviously more similar to 33 than Bing Bong, so how do you feel about that
style of play?
I like it myself, but I think it's not really how we play though, to be honest, so I'm not
sure.
I don't think we'd really like, adapt it to his playstyle, or whatever.
I think we'd pick, yeah, I'm not sure, but yeah, I don't know actually.
No, that's fair. And then last question. How do you feel about the laning, the level of laning for mids right now?
Do you think it's lower than normal about how it normally is or it's higher than usual?
I think it's, I mean, I think it's been high since like for like three years now or four years.
Like every mid is like playing well. You can get solo killed by kind of everyone now.
So definitely, definitely high.
Okay, interesting. That's something that's very expected.
I think that's all...
They're all bots. They're all bots.
There we go. That's what I wanted to hear.
That's beautiful.
the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Beautiful little insight from
Nisha there. That was, of
course, recorded before our best
of three series against family
and it kicked off and whilst
he was very diplomatic and
talking about the last three
years of the mid lane status.
He did revoke it all and said
They cut that part off, but it was mostly you, I hate you, but they thought that was true.
It was true me, and so I had to fill it in instead.
At least he redacted from normal phrasing to like, they're all bot phrasing,
which of course is very necessary as a mid laner. You need to be like Quinn.
Igor Manier.
Elaborate on that.
Oh no, I'm happy with you.
I don't know, I want to hear his mouth squeak to that.
Need to be skillful, cocky, all chat a bit, command some people when they make a mistake,
Because you never make mistakes, it's always the people around you, and that's the aura you gotta give off.
Yeah, Krenzys.
Ring, ring!
Ring, ring, ring!
Don't forget, Quinn, literally, again, off-screen, did say that he wished his mid lane was like a six-minute vacuum where no one could go there.
He wanted, like, the 1v1 lane.
That literally screens egomaniac, you know, he's supposed to beat one guy in the game.
To be fair, you need it as a mid laner, so... you're excused.
Thank you.
We can, uh, respect it from both sides, of course, as we should give this draft a little bit of a respect to,
while it's still in its early phases of those first phase bans. We're seeing Razer, SF, Tusk being taken out, taken out by Gamelut Legion, and for Liquid it is still respect against the Chen, Viper, that rather because they don't have first pick, and now considering I think contemplating if it will be Storm, which it does end up being.
The tough span to me is not the alarming one, but the interesting one, right?
The idea that no other team is really bad out against them, but I guess they're kind of investing in the future.
They don't want to go back to the heroes. They don't want to try and block pick it. They respect boxing.
But we've already seen boxing play multiple other heroes now to the same level.
I'm curious what the Shadow Game is. The Shadow Game is really, really good against me.
You can purge the ulti with your cleanse, and you can also purge the living armor whenever you go on the guy with the ulti.
So, both of those tools are very nice.
Tree is also a hero that kind of wants to defend his areas, keep his towers alive.
He's not the best aggressive hero until some of those towers are open.
So, it gives SD free reign to stack those camps and play for the economy game,
which Tree is not the best at invading there early on if you want to do that.
I would also say that SD actually lanes pretty well into this hero.
Like disrupting this guy also like you can actually just beat him back
because this hero relies on like running in, standing his ground and being very annoying.
So I do hope that, because we saw something from like Heroic.
They used Tree and very well earlier today.
I hope the game will lead you're not going to look for something a bit similar, you know,
good lanes, throw the living armor on like different heroes around the map so it's not
just SD just always purging the one dude you go on but that you have like a multitude of guys you
can play with. It also helped that KJ went for boots rush on the hero so then he was like
exploring the map making these moves he wasn't going for like a pos 5 laning build and then
felt like oh now I need to do other things that he knew from minute zero this is what
I'm going to do in the game. But also like to go back to the interview because I see that
Tofu has the crown when it comes to picking. He is still drafting, but Nisha thought he would be more vocal in the game, not going to draft.
You have that right? There's always a player that has really good ideas, it's like out of game, but once they play, they're just conditioned to be quieter.
Of course Quinn, you know, you'd have to be better from playing with him.
No, they're both relatively quiet players. They say stuff at specific times, but they're not the kind of player who's going to lead the entire time and keep making calls and be super opinionated.
I think they would rather chime in and say stuff when it comes to mind as opposed to leading
And so I would would imagine a lot of that comes on the boxy because he is sort of famously a Mike spammer player
And you need one of those right my spammers are important
You just can't have too many so how does that feel then for important boxy where playing in Earth's spirit
You naturally always making moves you're talking that it feels like tofu can kind of ad lib and feel good when you put him on a
Shadow demon he's not crossing the river as much. He's waiting. Therefore your communication will be more defensive
You need someone else to kind of step up to be the kind of the early game tool for protection
That's maybe why liquid hasn't been able to kind of close out some big corners. I
Think there's definitely something there
Just want to say boatman alert. We don't like that
Okay, it is I think his best for pairing is shattered even yeah because you can actually land the torrent spell
Which does do a lot of damage especially with disseminate and all this crap
So it's one of the heroes. I think that makes this hero the most permissible as having shattered even I'm still a hater
But I do think with SD I can it's excusable. Okay, you're like it barely goes over the gap over the cusp of I hate both man
Yeah, I mean ace has looked quite good on it
Maybe not in their earlier games here, but just before in the quarter other events and qualifiers
Yeah, but man for another looking great slam. He's drowning, but it looks like he's
I think as soon as I see funco
It's if there is if the opponent has one support who can't really do damage early on the five on fives
I'm not okay. Conqueror's just gonna feel better
But you've got living armor, but I've got both and I've got X and I can drag you back
And I can really make sure that I'm locking down the fight
We saw nothing to say from the mid lane utilize it really well like they should have won that game, right?
But again liquid I can see the same thing warlock and treat very defensive supports now
It's this game a legion in their heads like hmm. Can we out skirmish and team fight liquid? No
Okay, make sure that we just park ourselves on our side of the map the entire time until our cores are ready
I'm a little worried for it. I don't love this currently
I'm kind of looking for game religion to make sure it gets very tied up with the other heroes later down the line
The service is okay, but like it's against shout at him and I don't even think it beats shout even conquer in lane
Can't cook I'm not good to mytho nature. Just could play some casual come in now ace gets like a counter
Yeah, it's possible. I'm not sure what exactly they would want necessarily ace is not like an inkma. He will not play enigma
He did it on right by the way for those who just hit the shirt shirt
Just like that isn't really
No, no, he was she not beginning but if he picks enigma. Yeah, I don't know. What are you gonna do? I'll do something silly
I don't know what do we shave your eyebrows? Oh, yeah
That's too high, that's too high, that's too high, that's too realistic here.
Can we extract all your teeth slowly, painfully, as much as I want?
Yeah sure.
Okay thank goodness we found the middle ground.
Is being bored a problem Quinn?
I didn't say that.
Okay, no worries, noted.
Just checking for a friend.
No, but I agree with Gilles' take on the supports.
I think they're both heroes that are very bad at making moves, very bad at fighting
on the runes.
And so you're sort of just sacking all that the liquid saying,
yeah, you can have free reign of the runes.
You're going to have better skirmishing,
pending what they pick on five.
I think that's worrisome.
Now you've got Mickey Mouse on the Monkey King, which
is an en...
Oh!
Oh!
Monkey Wyvern.
I like that.
Monkey Wyvern.
Monkey Monkey Wyvern.
Konaverse.
That's a banger.
Keep going.
What are the rest of the lyrics?
No, those are the lyrics.
Oh, I thought it was Veningron explaining why you liked it.
But no, that is...
Oh, no.
I mean Wyvern and Monkey is a classic combo because you have the curse with the ring on top
So you set someone up to put them right in the middle of the ring and they get smacked to death. You've got slows
To help you get the stacks up and then also if you ever commit a monkey you can heal them
So if they all full commit into the ring then you heal and then it gets mega turned around
So there's a lot of nice elements of this combo
And they've got some good skirmishing. I mean we went to Wyvern
You want to see no magic damage to them be able to utilize the kiting that you have right?
When Ursa, you always play on your Enbridge or BTB.
One Colt Enbridge, sure you can build up stacks, but are you building the stacks whilst under the cover of BTB?
Is there then going to be a Winters Curse then to punish the Ursa whilst you're hitting the Colt Enbridge?
Like there's so many little layers to it that disruption, boat buffs, it's all this kind of nuisance.
The Gameligian, they do go for a Huskar.
Huskar.
Just try and change Liquid's ability to kind of outskirmish the early game.
Ehhh... hmm.
So I will go back to what I said a few days ago. Yeah, okay, I play why Oscar was not pretty
And I will say he's still getting counterpicked is you know like liquid did not lock in their mid hero
I mean you can't be Huskar in lane
So like Nisha will just pick something for the game to survive because being Huskar in lane is impossible
Yeah, but I have a secondary problem
I I hate Huskar with defensive supports
Huskar gives you like a lot of freedom to play with him or people who like dodged the lanes or do random crap like Warlock treant
In the correct hands, Warlock Tree even though they're very defensive, they do apply so many buffs that if they're buffing the Husker, you'll get merged.
Sure.
Sorry.
Again?
Yeah, wait. There's layers to this.
Okay.
There's another hero!
He's onion-hosting.
I'm sorry.
Okay, we have to try and cope.
Okay?
We'll try PMA, alright?
You want to just shit on Game Illusion's draft and make them feel bad right now?
They don't hear me, so it's fine.
They do?
There's probably a management somewhere in the world listening.
clip everything you guys say about them and send it to them in personal dm's
yeah gonna get a tweet later anyway you get the point right so here it is okay
for gamer legion i want the support to put the heels put the buffs on the
huska huska wins and slain assuming he hasn't lost go go go make a mistake
sure games over but like they can at least that make boss came up i want
one stun on the last pick to try and find that shadow demon up pesky purge
that you're mentioning not the guy the the mechanic in the game
i mean it is it is good against uh everything about the shadow demon
It's very good against Wyvernmonkey and Kunkka.
He is going to get his buffs purge, and I agree with what Kezu's saying, and that I think you want one enabler for this hero,
because you don't want to end up in these stagnant situations where you can't really kill heroes,
and they kind of just farm and dodge you, and get to their eventual scotties and sheevahs, and the items that shut the hero down big time.
And I also agree that I think RSCY, like the kind of Huskar players that only play it on 18, should realistically only be playing it on 24.
I think to be an 18 Huskar, you might as well be a 1st to Huskar, which means you need to be one of the elite ones, and he is not that.
I worry for his ability to actually progress the game. I will see what mid ends up getting picked, but there are definitely some doubts on my mind.
Okay, I have just had a little look.
The only time that Huskar on RCY has won was five months ago in a North American qualifier,
where he was against some random NA team and he went 2 and 7 on the hero
Other than that, they all lost it, they did win on it
but then he's lost against Peri-Reject, Maus, OG
Again, like a 25 cent win rate on the hero, so again, it's not his hero statistically
And it still might not be
It still might not be, but Jamsen's now gonna
Wait, hold up, off lane
QWAPTree versus Monkey, whatever
So what do you feel like Nisha will go here? Are heroes like Lina not that good anymore against Haskar, they still lose?
Lina loses like Haskar, Haskar is good.
So they can still play on semi dodging? Like you don't play to beat him, if Sniper is out?
Yeah, I don't think so. The issue is, I'm actually not 100% sure what they'll go for.
Um, I, okay, this queen, this quad pick, like, it's actually really good against liquid heroes and gamers legions lineup is super, super weird.
Um, they have practically no team fight. It's very much just individual dudes doing their own thing.
At the same time, I think if queen goes like full skirmish fighter mode, you can mega snowball the game off of like daggers and vessel and Husker getting out of control.
Like there is, there's something there. I think there's a little bit of sauce to this quad pick, but you do need to kind of be in the element.
Because it's not a normal game. It's a hectic play crazy play fast take their towers game
But you do it to them what they did to you. It's like the reverse golden rule
Yeah, I feel like this is some
MVP Phoenix from like TI 6 game
This is like no logic no teamfight
But like we win every lane and then we run at you yeah with like different heroes
I mean the little layering of like the initiation like co-op soaking something will make us or a house got shine
So again the game of Legion to repeat what you guys said is like it's the lanes
It's to get yourself to your first set of items, utilize fate in the early game to then open up RCY or Jamsen to take over at other, you know, critical moments, because the Liquid is just well-rounded.
You've got Nisha, being able to find the pick-offs on heroes through the lean of the shenanigans, multiple save through Wyvern, Conquer and SD.
So, yeah, Liquid, they have the tried and tested, and Game Religion have the, I guess, the Chaos is the nice way of putting it.
I mean for me it's all eyes on RCY because this lane can be like Huskar can stop Lina
And so I'm looking at him to say okay
Have you done your research?
Have you brushed up on your Huskar and gotten better because your pass results in the hero not quite good enough so to me
If he if this is Malorraine Huskar he wins this lane and he snowballs the game
So I need to see a good performance from RCY or the serial will fall flat
Eventually FD gets aggs and ults you and you die and are worthless
But at least for RCY he's been having a pretty good tournament on some key heroes
He's been popping off on so if he has done his homework his current like form for this talk if a blast six
It kind of matches what you're asking for
There's been a lot of talk about the pressure of the game on the husker
But is there a contingency at all?
Okay, so is there hope outside of the the husker for game a legion?
I mean it is there if he has like if he can make space for the others
I think fade on this like quap three and then if you can go some vessel use like jump around be super active
help Jamsen like later get some ages like I do think they need the chaos like the midlan needs to be chill for like
Five minutes and arts what needs to like assert dominance
But after that I need gamer legion to go ham because I think liquid if this game is stable will win it like nine out of ten times
That is not the odds
I was hoping to hear right at the end because I would have loved to have more confidence in a game number three
But if you're a liquid fan, you're loving what my three analysts are saying about the drafts right now and their predictions
for a game at number two because this game that is the only win a liquid need for themselves to book themselves a ticket in
To Malta, will they be able to come through with it? Time will tell as we get into game number two
Well, not to worry Nat, because here on the casting team, we will be able to instill some
confidence into the gamer legion lineup because unlike the analysts sitting on the panel,
the game. I think that's the
thing. Avery has a lot of
faith in gamer Legion and the
draft they cooked up here in
this game, too. Wow really
threw me. Into the street on
that one. You know what I said
midway through the draft. He
said, damn liquid. Let's got
dunked on in this draft, man.
It's already over. I've
probably said that many times
in my life, but I did not
say about this one. But you
That's all. He's someone to believe in you. Did you see the vision this time around?
I see the vision. You know what the vision is? The vision is
tree and protector. Where was the discussion on tree? They gave them tree.
The best hero of the patch. The most broken hero of the patch.
Stupid living armor. Yeah, you can purge it, but his spells are busted.
Overgrowth on all these right-click cores. What are you gonna do? Tree and armor, Huskar, what are you gonna do?
Well, I think RCY is going to die, so I'm not sure if that denied bounty rune was worth
it, as he does go down, but hey, I guess it's a 2-1 bounty rune split.
Triant?
Oh, they got the trian protector.
They're trialing again.
Dude, they love the trialing.
But this is this is so much worse now that this is not first blood
Again, I don't mind this early trial
You can even go back to normal lanes now or whatever what she big names gonna do. I like this play
Like liquid just walk right into the industry kills with me easy, but but RC by give out the first one no losses Ward
So
It's not as good as it should be sad times
I
almost wonder if
if maybe you should have kept the tree in here for another like 30 seconds to go on ace, because
like killing the shadow demon, the shadow demon didn't TP out the lane. So now he's
going to have to run out the lane. So they do have this like a little window where I
wonder if it would be more effective to just zone out the conca rather than join fade in
that bottom lane.
You just don't have natures guys for 30. I think it's a little awkward and too
too inefficient to go on him. I'm fine with this. I think you get the first blood, even
though it's not first blood, and you keep, yeah, you do not want to put fate in a similar
situation in the last game where he is just 1v2 sacked, especially on a queen. Like, that
is not the hero to sack into a 1v2, especially when you last pick it and you pick it into
the monkey. It's supposed to be a favorable matchup. You're supposed to exert some
pressure. Queen tree is quite a strong lane. Like, this lane should win against
I'm not going to sing the song, but I thought about asking you if you would sing the song with me.
No, I don't even bother.
It's so antithetical to Avery's behavior.
No, there's not something about fun, Austin.
It's supposed to be serious in a strategical battle.
And who is stronger and more powerful?
Avery once told me that he wanted to make sure that we had respect for the game.
the game. Yes, respect the
game, Austin. Especially when
N. A's playing, especially when
N. A's playing. Wow, historic
region. Uh the panel did put it
out that they felt like game
religion. One of the ideas here
was just run over the lanes.
Do you think that is going to
happen? Do you think that is
lanes on paper. Okay. I think they have three, they have three free farm lanes at worst and
three winning lanes at best. So, you know, they're in that 75 to 100% lane victory situation.
First blood going to Nisha, excuse me, considerably. Yeah, I do not know if RCY is supposed to
dominate this lane after Nisha gets first blood. He should still win it, but that
is a huge gold injection for Nisha.
That's a big boon.
But they should have played
with the sidelines here over time.
And over the long run,
their core setups are quite nice.
Orisa will just take it to Kunkka.
The queen can just die or spam monkey.
You can never really get aggressive in that lane.
Wyvern's not a lane winning support either.
Wyvern's just to hear the ones to do pulls.
Or ask the enemy,
maybe secure some range creeps to do pulls.
And Nisha, I think he will do fine
is a first blood but he should have, he should still potentially get LCS but he has enough
early gold that he can go jungle or stack.
But, just get your gold and re, get a little bit of it's blue.
Hey, man, I think it's time for your, uh, your, your daily, every night drop.
Well, Nisha is doing very well. 16 and 8, and I've seen, yeah, 8 to 9. He's gotten a
number of these over RCY. Nisha kind of cooking mid right now. Not really what you want to
see if you're a gamer, Legion, because in part, RCY's Huskar does not have a particularly
inspiring win rate. He's only played at eight professional matches, and I believe he's
only one two of those games so not uh not a huss car player to be clear but
maybe that'll change over time yeah
he's a huss car player so that's got a cop for something well everybody's not a
huss car player until they are you know yeah that's true I remember a day
probably made him do it. Quiddle probably reviewed that and be like, no I wanted to do it but
all these kids they don't remember history, right?
Either way this slain phase is not going the Huskars way. He is behind
considerably for how the slain should be going. And a game religion are not dominating these
sidelines. It's just an even march here.
You even got a Lotus on the monkey bottom with that, you know, Tofu freeze himself play.
So this thing is going a lot worse than I thought it would be for the strength of this
Let's queen a pain pick.
Yeah, force and fade to blink back again.
You're right, they really just have not been able to actually take the fight to liquid in this bottom lane.
going for it RCY playing on the high ground here mid is beginning to assert some dominance
though god damn he just keeps on slipping in these random denies got a flag bear denied
on that one his 13 denies on the niggas Oscar that's insane that should not happen
what now six-minute power and a student
instantly denied the RCY apparently he
did not want to risk some sort of
disruption into steel hasteroon and they
am having some issues
interesting also keep in mind there's
big stacks being built for this conqueror
now though i guess maybe for lina never
mind
it is going to be a burn build up for
a thing but he's still working on it
Not a good sign for laning phase.
Lowest CS of all the cores, 19 and 6, 4, 5.
Not doing great, but hey, at least Yamson is topping out the charts, 37 and 10.
Feels like he's behind on levels or something.
Question is, what are they gonna do to rotate to help out this uh, this Hosscar?
Well, they can not rotate. That's what they can do.
Let me have Scar rotate for them.
No, you just give them soul exp, let them rumble and put pressure on the sidelines.
Don't let liquid collapse to mid. That's kind of your ideal scenario because your supports
do not roam to mid. You cannot roam Moralock Tree to mid. It just doesn't work.
I guess tree can kind of do it, but this is a max living armor tree.
You can go top, you can keep killing this Conqueror, you can go bottom and pressure monkey.
Those are your two best plays.
They're kind of doing neither.
So you're just trying to farm up here.
And it's tofu making the first move against level five Ursa.
Disruption Torrent.
Here comes the monkey king as well.
Yamstein trying to hop on out of here.
Nikkei hits him with a balmy strike, now gonna come in.
The supports come in from beat them they get a really good fate of Bons is doing some work
They still lose their Ursa, but they might get the better of this entire engagement his box
He looks like he's gonna be run down unfortunately out of stuns to stop Mickey from keeping back the lane
Enter a rotation through gate, but a classic liquid gate rotation there, but doesn't actually work that well against game religion
I was extremely classic. I think they expect that to go better with the strength of monkey king and he's kind of moves
But double defensive support not that easy to make these aggressive plays against
That's a dangerous gate right there my friend
This isn't the timing there baited him they're going back through the gate again
This time actually committing and told us maybe did not expect this many heroes to be coming through the gate
Mickey is just kind of go. I don't know what to do brother. Maybe I can get the deny does indeed get the deny
One of the downsides of these side lane clops, you're all focused on the dagger
but even if you do get somebody low you might not get the kill.
Oh I don't know if you should have gotten that then I, I don't smoke plate.
There look mid, golem time for Nisha.
Silenced, golem dropped and burning out the spears and fatal bond.
Is all of this gonna be enough damage?
He has a regen going, some bottle hits he's gonna be fine.
That is a big miss opportunity.
I
Try to kill me one time. Are some one here. Oh, actually managed to get himself away from that axe
Well, I guess screw the golem man Jesus I
Mean he has region running still this is all free. Yeah, I guess so really nice room for Nisha
He continues mid-length dominance 60 and 14
I'm gonna rush Silver Edge to add another break into this game.
That's a good idea.
It's just not going game-religion's-way right now.
This is not the positioning one at this draft to be in.
There's still a lot of gameplay to be had, especially with Vessel Queen when that's
online.
I think Fade's gonna be able to bring a lot of skirmish power to this game.
It's a pretty good co-op game.
of the
one that's online
that you can have to take a step back here in just one of
don't have that many dominance to snow off of what you were looking for
the fact that he missed one of the 17 and I'm like every single time I look back he's he's getting a few more denies over this Oscar
Prime, Anisha. Not something anybody wants to play against.
You have a lot of stack injection too. So even if he had gotten beaten that mid lane, that may be likely to be worth expecting.
If he had somebody stacked to fall back on, he gets power runes.
What the matter, almost? You know, unless game religion could have aggressively contested him.
I'll ask you a question, Austin.
How about I ask you a question instead?
Do you believe in Wiener-Wyron as a hero in this patch?
I believe in the hero.
I don't know if it fits the patch or not, to be honest.
But I do think that they have buffed this hero.
Like, level 1 Cold Embrace is bonkers.
They buff Splinter Blast like it's so much easier to use this ability.
that you can, uh, face it off of allies and stuff. I don't know. It's just, uh, I feel
like if only Winter's Curse Valve didn't make it, like, an absolute dog shit spell,
this hero would be really cooking. Miss the LSA. Won't miss the Lugota Blade or the
Boundless Strike or the follow-up nukes that will bring down fate.
It's not the hero you want going down right now. It's supposed to be your early
game skirmish powerhouse and he is the one getting ganked dying to win or why
or not just feels bad old speed it's your boy speed out from the jungle but no
manner her goal that was like the bold entrance there that's one of those moves
where liquid don't even understand what's happening so they just run away
but in theory you're supposed to jump me but it's such a brazen place like
There's no way this guy's alone.
No, he's alone.
And surely the Huskar's about to pop out of the jungle
when life breaks somebody.
Game really did not farm in the whole map.
I mean, you got a free farmer or a top closing in on battle
fury.
Your tree was taking mid, so he has overgrowth right now.
And the Huskar's level 11.
Didn't recover nicely off the ancients.
So they're going to make the smoke plate bottom.
All ults available.
This is scary for Liquid.
They had a very good start to this game, but you're still outmatched in terms of teamfight spell power right now.
Be a cause of bad engagement.
tofu, smoke breaks on him, he flies away through the trees, RCY, life break?
No, not able to get it off, so the smoke move will secure the tower, but again, it feels like Gamer Legion are just not quite getting enough
out of the first 15 minutes of the game to feel truly content.
tanisha just takes mid.
How's the girl losing mid tower that is that's rough man. It's not what you wanted
So wait, what about you do you believe in Wyvern? I know you like Wyvern a lot. Oh, I love this here
Mm-hmm
Unfortunately heroes that you love you also think are dog shit. So yeah, that's usually how it goes
I
Will say this hero is not hot trash right now
Okay, it's lukewarm trash. Isn't that worse? No. How's that worse? I mean lukewarm kind of implies that it's been sitting out for a while.
No, it's cool. It's not hot trash. You know hot trash is bad because you can't throw it out. It's too hot.
On form, you can at least handle.
This hero just...
It's too slow, man. Its cast ranges are too bad. Its movespeed is too slow.
Its spells are expensive.
It's just hard to make it work.
Like, on paper, its spells are fine, but I think in fights,
its ult is really difficult to use. I think you can go entire games without playing ult.
So, this hero, especially in competitive,
because teams are pretty good at not clumping in the fight.
They have way too few, there's a nice overgrowth.
Surprise overgrowth, two man's silence, two quick kills on the supports.
Easy.
And this, to me this almost exemplifies the Wyvern problem.
Oh no, they're gonna go for Oshon, but Oshon's gonna swap sides.
Oh yeah, this is awkward.
They don't have any way to keep Oshon here.
They have to be thinking about it, swapping, right?
Yeah, guys, this isn't gonna work.
If they like it was a great gang they get the observer warden everything, but unfortunately the timing plays against them here
This might be something that liquid troubles with this game because their two supports don't offer a lot of damage on their own
Your conco's not offering a lot either
I think you can get out skirmish quite heavily in these random woods areas
If you get flanked around the tower if your supports ever get jumped first that teamfights very difficult
liquid really want teamfights to develop in a way where
it's the the wyvern shattered in behind their kunkamonky and that ever gets
flipped on his head it's gonna be very one-sided fight there's not a lot to bail
that out the other monkey desso now so maybe it's time to get a little more
aggressive with the liquids course it's been a pretty quiet game from them
just kind of trying to get to their first big item
I'm gonna smoke through the gate.
But who is this even supposed to land on?
Gampson has been out of this lane for like a minute plus.
I'm just trying to ensure the back jungle area.
You have no detection though.
This is a bizarre play to me.
I don't understand what prompted this other than,
we have desols so we just go somewhere.
This could backfire really, really hard.
Or it could work out amazingly
That's not on baseball of LSE on the two of them. Okay, it does work out somehow beautifully for liquid. I
Don't know that should work like that. Hey, it was a quite dangerous smoke with no detection into 300 tier one
Dad the better scouting with the monkey though make a instincts pay off
liquid connect with everybody
Get some desolatrges big big moment in this game that could have gone either way liquid get the better of them
And look at all this farming about to collect bottom lane too
There's your cook ag so you have your monkey desol you have your cook ag's your Lena has full hurricane pike
You're cut you're online here
If you're looking when you're ready to take a fight
I don't know if you want to aggressively go into the Huskar yet
But you can absolutely meet game religion at a rush on or something of this nature take the head on final five
Jumping in on the tankiest hero, but they will kill him
With the silence unable to get any abilities off and nobody's going to be caught here from game religion
They just get the kill and they back out
They can continue to do this. They can take Roche.
And the tree shards up, so these eyes are being placed right now.
And it's gonna make this Rocheon area so tough for Liquid to fight into.
Tried with the Colt embrace, unfortunately, this is gonna be both the supports of Liquid getting caught and killed.
and kills boxy desperate tpoa that is never going to work for you and liquid will just have to give up the roshan so gamer league is a big move for them
these eyes are so oppressive liquid are trying to hold their thought enough they don't want to let bigdum just get fishing around the pit and kill it this age is for free but
game kind of crumbling for them right now they can't get a solid teamfight going they're just getting jumped
too fast i like the aggressiveness from game region this is exactly how they're aligned up
can just abuse liquids just run at them get on top of them spread out in the
fight you have a lot of damage dealers that can operate on their own you don't
need to combine or clump the heroes too much and this makes it really hard for
liquid to get to turn around
again back-to-back ace depths it's terrible for him man this time around
he gets off his combo so we will see that axe in play but no be liquid this
He's gonna want to try to be a part of that want to kill from Mickey and Nisha though
He's trying to TP out got caught by striking LSA
So bad death for yampson down there as his team was snowballing he gives up something big on the other side of the map
And this whole triangle is just gonna be hide now
This is trience territory
even gets
Kill in the century here, so
Really tough to take these spots back from from tree especially in this gate kind of game where the enemy has so many
Solo operational cores as I'll put it like if you're a wyvern or a shadow demon you want to go deward an area if you run
Into anybody else out of game religion. They're just gonna solo killing
So that means you have to bring a lot of numbers here if you're liquid and you have to bring detection
So we see him trying to kill some of these eyes.
They bought a gem.
Yeah, I mean that's the way to do it.
I think Trin just forces you to buy early gem here.
Nisha does not have a whole lot of mana to work with here.
Got a refill on the bottom off the power rune though.
But right now, he doesn't even have nearly enough for the full combo of smokes.
He's instantly going to break.
And now, bit of panic, RCY jumps forward, beautiful silence from him, but his team all
backed away when he went in, leaving him isolated here, good yield, comes out from the cauterize,
now the jumps forward, and Gams just tearing up the back line, Babe comes in with a sonic
wave, Gams and jumps in, Micae still gets some damage out surprisingly, when is this
guy finally going to die?
He dies, he does go down, big win for Gamer Legion, what a quick reaction, RCY, beautiful
a step by him. He's the only one that I think reacted to that team that smoke break appropriately.
He blinks in and gets a nice silence to stop Liquid from getting these spells off initially.
Super nice airfire. Knocks the monkey up the tree. And just puts Midgate in a really awkward
position and Liquid are just all of a sudden trying to fail out this entire engagement
instead of taking in how they won. That's a tough smoke into the ages anyway. You
don't really have a hero that can go in and burst his Huskar. It's a very good
Huskar game. We saw it there. Kind of the problem with the Lina in this matchup, your
ability to chunk the Huskar, it comes online way later with, you know, Silver Edge plus
physical damage or like the pure damage Laguna or whatever, but until you have options like
that, this guy's kind of a beast. The teamfights are just all game-relief in this game.
It's Konka's Da-Nati.
He just feels worthless.
Yeah, I do feel like this is a game where Liquid's style
actually plays against them.
You know, like what's got drafted on Sign of Game Religion
works very well against Liquid.
Whereas if they were matched up against a Falcons,
Tundra's team, you know,
like I feel like they would not be running
into the Huskars, right?
They wouldn't be employing that kind of aggression.
I agree that they've given up a lot of this early game trying to make something happen.
And now they're paying some big prices.
There's an easy solo pick off for RCY with the blink dagger still has ages running.
I don't know if they should have given this tree in man, but there's a lot about this year
right now that is just oppressive to play against.
And the biggest one is the vision game.
Yeah.
Once that starts cooking, you just lose map control so you're going to break
They had the vision on big number and we'll catch him here, which is very good for them because the link that was rapidly approaching
For this tree protector making me even more deadly full combo on fate here LSA into torrents into another boat and beautiful chain stun
There goes the clop
Silence in from RCY with an amp damage. They got to kite this guy out. This is spooky spooky double core territory. Yamsen
He gets up on the chase. He doesn't want to keep going. They'll just let the warlock die
And it's making any shot back away. At least I thought they were going to where's my kid going
Got the decimal charges. He's out of there
Liquid keep their big cores alive. They keep their gem. That's what's important
Not a bad engagement for them. Wait, did they get back the gem from because they lost the gem in the top fight?
Did they? Yes, 100% because he died.
So, they must have gotten him back from this.
I guess so, yeah. I guess Pagnum was carrying it.
Pretty risky from him. That was the case.
Okay, backs out at an appropriate time here.
time here right as the tree was setting things up with this vision they'll spot
tofu instead tofu he's gonna get jumped backs away a little bit silence before
he can get off anything this is it seems like it's going about how my
wiring games go where you just feel it useless on the run
DKB and Rage TP out from the Amson.
Ooh, a clutch spike.
Yeah, Nisha playing with fire there, jeez.
Here comes the Expo.
A...
He'd drive the spells knowing he was going to be in some trouble here.
Disruption goes out, now he's going to try and flick away
but the final strike is there.
RCY jumps in a little bit too late for the silence
and he is going to be completely surrounded here.
Bickman comes in too late with the overgrowth.
Overgrowth, it will get a kill on some low health heroes.
But now, Mikkei is gonna push forward,
about to get even more Desolator stacks.
18, that bonus damage on his Desolator right now,
and he's probably gonna find speed as well.
Speed gets a regen rune,
but infinite chase potential here from Mikkei.
That was a classic bait right there.
Just beat them in off of this one hero who gets caught, you get a four-man wipe.
I do not think that fight should go as bad as it does for game religion considering how strong they are right now.
They could just outmaneuver them a little bit.
And getting a lot of value out of this Lena, creating a big ranged problem that game religion feel like they have to gap close.
It may be a very awkward situation.
Also, the fact they have nothing to deal with a classic Konka setup is causing them issues.
Like, even if they just have glimmer K-Force up there,
if they can just glimmer Force the Queen,
none of that situation matters at all.
But because they have nothing to get the Queen out
of the chainstun off the X, the second you X somebody
either have to commit to the fight with everybody
or just sacrifice the hero.
And it puts their lineup in a very awkward situation.
So if they could build something to just bail a hero
out of a situation like that,
the team fights become a lot easier.
Right now, we're going to continue to abuse it.
are you saying that is a problem like they should have built it or are you
saying it's a problem because their heroes don't build it?
No, I think they just they don't have a spell that can do it.
You don't have some Oracle, Batey, Victor or Disruption Arrow on.
And then normally you'd want to build it.
I don't think they would have it at this point in the game.
I guess speed could have just gone Gloomer Force over Greaves.
But yeah, I can't really hate on Greaves.
It's like still a save in that regard.
And I can't really hate on Big Bum like he'd win Shard Blink Dagger.
That's kind of like what you're supposed to go on.
100% actor so I don't think they made a mistake in this regard it's just how the fights are developing which means
If you're going the tree of blink and you're going the early BKBs and stuff when that X happens and liquid
Or making that commit open that year you basically just jump everybody else
Right it's kind of where I see why it has to shine is he needs to be able to get in there hit the silence to disrupt
Then the full combo they're trying
Get in there with an overgrowth get in there with the silence find the wire and find the Lena
to get a Bond's Golem in and you can absolutely abuse Liquid,
called me to focus that X hero.
So it goes both ways.
But you can't let that kind of lingering play happen.
This is the part I really like about Wyvern, by the way.
When you get to shard and you just go shove waves,
non-stops, Spudderblast, Cold Embrace,
you just one shot a whole wave.
For sure, a way to pick up the farm, right?
I also like this Huskar build better than the heart Huskar must say hmm
Yeah, but RCY is not really a Oscar player, so can you?
Really judge who fades it's caught by the axe right before he blinks
And I guess another question is should the co-op have itemized
to deal with the axe
If his supports aren't going to you know
No, I don't think it's his job. He just needs to knock it caught
Foxy gold abrasion disruption both going out at the same time here
Jump for far see why oh god hit by the winners first now
He's gonna be LSA. This is the kiting that he did not want to have happened here
There's baby fine. He still has BKB and stuff, but uh
Unfortunately that jump
Tofu just is too fast for him
awkward fight for liquid but I guess they come out slightly ahead would have been way
ahead if Roshan spawned early they could have taken it right now but no such luck
it's a really strong word for liquid right now if they can keep it up here
I think I'm looking for the D-word.
I've seen this before.
Yeah, we've seen this a lot.
How do they keep letting this happen?
I don't think Liquid have made any play in this game other than X combo a queen and then
retreat.
And they just keep doing it off cooldown.
And it is somehow destroying Gamerlion.
I'm good vision behind the liquid here
But I don't feel confident taking a four versus five understandably
These quad kills have completely swung this game
I think game religion would be up nine or 10 K probably taking motion
They get these three or four clock kills. Well, I mean they already were up like seven K at some point
Such a massive swing in this game. This will be an Aegis
Plus another item for Aisha is closing in on probably BKB here
Well, maybe with Aegis he opts to go for something more aggressive I could see
Just Daedalus, he's feeling spicy. Got double safe behind him
He has no Dispel for Overwrote though. That's a little annoying though. No Dispel for Bones
You just have to farm now if you're a game religion.
You had a chance to take this game over in that mid-game, but too many blown fights,
too many opportunities capitalized on by Liquid.
Their single target pick off.
So now they have some free time with this Aegis.
Obviously about Satanic now, okay.
It's another Dispel.
I'm not sure.
Liquid.
Bank them to do what I assume is tormentor and then probably trying to go through the
gate.
Bignam's gonna get through the gate before them but he's visible.
Oh.
He's dead, back there.
Oh, nice shard this game too.
Oh, yeah.
Very good cleanse game.
That's full satanic for the lean.
A level 21 Nisha heating up in this game is going to be a monster.
And there's the, the disc value running.
Yeah, I like this more than that be give you because he has a just right now
Just not that amazing of a BKB game, and I want to see him become a true six-lot damage dealing carry
You gotta you gotta take some value out of your
supporting cast this game, you know if SD Wyvern could go the double boat like
I don't like when teams go too many defensive items when they already have defensive spell
capability.
You have to bounce it out of it.
They should have put in the damage, two and a half minutes of Aegis, so they've already
taken all the other tier twos.
He's made the ping, he's made the call for high ground hit here.
It's a dangerous high ground and all the same we turn around we don't also did the
You're also hitting a tower that can be healed up if gamer legion successfully defense
You know then like maybe you've done all this for nothing
But right now gamer legion is not
Defending at all RCY really wants to complete his AC, which is so close. He can buy it out now TP back and buy
Why?
We've got to shoot.
So there it is, time to go, here they go, your axe is going down.
There's a melee parryx before, I mean now it's Jemson who's not here, farming away, but
he doesn't have any item coming in soon.
There's Hoppy not to take the fight.
He could not give up too late for one Aegis though.
And he's still at 90 seconds of this Aegis, they're like, the living armor is not
can install this that effectively smoking the bear full of pistol try and find the
back line here that'll be the biggest deal find these supports you're not
file five finding a boxy look at his positioning high ground ward blink
dagger goes up there this guy knows his job which is do not get caught and be
available to defensively disrupts and demonic cleanse and purge this Ursa.
They're getting the long flank though.
Could surprise Liquid, especially Tofu if he's not careful.
And Tofu is the one who definitely is the easiest craft here and they're gonna get
a buff 4-box and he can get off of link disruption.
He does get off the demonic purge on to Yamsin, Fave, gonna be the target but once
again of the X and both. Shield Rune only protects him for so long here. Overgrowth at the last second.
He gets a blink away. He's not going to be good enough though. Bound of strike still lands and
Mikkei with the shard closes the distance up on the high ground. Demonic Purge kills Yamsen.
He's slowed down to a crawl and they just right click him down. Disha is cooking on the damage
department and there is no buybacks from any of these heroes from Gamer Legion. So Liquid
are able to go for a second lane of Barracks and a third without an agent.
What the hell happened to R.C.Y?
Did he ever even go in this fight?
I don't know.
I didn't really see him.
I never saw him engage anything.
It looked the same as every other fight I just acted.
Both combo with Queen and she dies and then the fights are hard.
Nothing happens in that entire duration.
Yeah, Voxy used demonic curd on the Ursa and they killed the Wyvern at the start.
feels like RCY should have had a pretty free opening there, but yeah for sure
Going with the Puskart going with the Overthrow
Both of us heroes had a position here and then TPC on the side, but they are not going to be able to stop them
He gets the deny
Okay, congrats, the magus at 35
And it's just ADL up with a lot of damage coming out from Nisha, Demonic Purge
Kateryce keeps him alive just enough heals me while Fade looking for a beautiful
sonic wave will instead it get chain stuns has the opportunity to let one go
not that it would have killed anything
all this game just imploded I don't think it looked that bad for game
religion but they could not put a solid team fight together
Now, I mean, up 7k, they absolutely had a game to be played.
Oh, yeah.
And, uh, sadly, just completely fell apart for this squad.
Blink for it, RCY goes up to Winter Wyvern, but the setup's already there.
X Torrent hits two, combined with Lukong's commands, and that leaves Hossgar no supports.
Focused down by Nisha yet again, and Inchik will go down.
the Liquid will advance to the playoffs and knock out Gamer Legion 2-0.
I feel like we just saw the difference in experience and composure in a very clutch pressure series
where I don't know if Liquid are honestly supposed to win that game even in the game
state at a certain point, but they were just very consistent, very cool under the pressure,
just playing for the Lena timings, protecting Nisha, very good positioning in the fights.
They didn't give easy openings and they just kept finding this queen over and over
that identified the weak spot, just exes guy into the combo, LSA on top, there's no bailout.
They either have to fully send and commit to the fight, or we're just isolating killing
a core.
And gamers never responded to this play and just kind of went out quietly.
A sad exit for them, that's liquid.
Game needs some more momentum.
Yeah, unfortunately this game doesn't really showcase the, I would say the strength of
Game Relief, and they had a very respectable performance at the group stage and did not
go out and bottom four as many people may have predicted.
And again, I do think they've shown improvements,
but sadly not enough to take on the top dog team liquid.
Liquid on land in Malta.
That is what this best of three 2-0 got for them here.
And they had a phenomenal show in not only game one,
but here in game number two as well.
Picking up the Lena overall off pick win,
which you had potential doubts about,
but there were also darts around Ossiewise Huska.
Yeah, unfortunately those darts came to permission.
I uh...
They didn't win the land though.
Ah, there it is, they have?
Okay, you got first blooded.
Y'all missed that,
because you went to like go get food or something,
but did you guys pick a first blood?
Four heroes just like hugging him in the middle.
Yeah, they did give him a big bear hug
and then he died and then now he's just first blooded.
Yeah, I mean, we talked about a gaming legion,
the heroes, they're very high execution.
Yeah.
They like team fight, they like draft integrity,
it's very much, we're gonna outskill you,
we're gonna outplay you,
and let's be frank,
they're not good enough to do that against Liquid to be honest. I think Liquid, higher
individual skill players, Gamerleague needed to play off of draft and T-Fight and strategy
and they got outstratized and outplayed. This series was not close.
Yeah, unfortunately for Gamerleague, they had their moments but like when the Huskers
dying at the top tier 2, I mean we're going to see multiple clips now where Queen of
Pain just steps up, gets comboed, there's an X into then an LSA into a boat and then
the second boat comes in because of the agonim. So yeah, Liquid, they knew exactly
what they needed to do. We got to see Micky, Nature's Prophet, then Monkey King,
one game two so special fees coming out from liquid something that we were hoping
hoping more for liquid coming into the series so yeah game Legion
unfortunately just not the same kind of pacing of liquid yeah I mean they look
pretty good even to like the like early to mid game they had a good lead they
were doing they were doing more than I expected from them in this game like
just judging off like draft and what I feel like should have happened in this
game but eventually I think it's just a little harder to execute what they
have to like a little more clunky heroes and slower heroes around the
map and for Liquid, Michael Wu on the Monkey King, I feel like he really made this game
like his own show.
Yeah, Mickey Mouse squeaked on the haters for sure and I mean it's just hard.
It's hard to play.
Huskar is a hero that you really need to know your limits, you need to know like the formula
and the structure of how a Huskar game works and it's even more difficult against these
elite teams that have experience playing with and against it so you know, okay we
just dodge this period or we kill him at this point he's weak and if you don't
know those periods well you're solved on Huskar then like the moment you said
where they died it to her to defeat and then it's kind of cup put after that.
Damn, cup put. I like that.
Back to you, too.
Back to me. Yeah.
That's a later. Love it.
Monkey King, one of the few items that makes the hero feel good.
Sorry, Nat, but I guess I'm going to be talking now.
Yeah, we will have an interview shortly.
But that's OK.
I won't say who it is with Nat.
Do you have any thoughts about this series?
Do you want to raise your hand
and then you get to talk with that note?
OK, friend, I think she's out right now.
Wow, she's out.
That's okay.
We can talk about it a little bit more, because you didn't really have too much belief in the
Conqueror.
I just like to bring up every time you go opposite of what eventuates.
I'm going to bring up another one here, the Conqueror, your Shiphater.
I am.
I still am.
I still think it's Sussers.
They won with it, but to be honest, I think they could have picked...
But did it win?
He could have picked it.
Dude!
I'm not going to dispute fats, okay?
He did win, but he can still be cheap.
I've done this look at a broad and back another here on back
Disruptor offline. Oh, that's very good. You can rush the axe like he did then you can also just lock him down
You're right off like disruptor guys. Yeah, I didn't want to highlight one key point where liquid had a really nice play from earlier in the game
They made a double sub rotation and they get the top lane at the same time
There's a wave going into the bottom tower. That's a nasty place. Yes, and they and they
They protect the wave, they protect the gate.
I think we have a clip, maybe we don't.
If we don't, that's okay.
I believe we do, and if we don't, maybe they can have it.
Yeah!
They do a nice little gate gank,
there's a giant wave pushing under the tower,
and they puppy guard the gate
and make the distance in entire two waves,
which you can see Queen of Pems network
way down there, if you get a microscope.
And it only gets worse after this
with a big clutch deny from Michael Wu,
like my cohort here, Maurice said earlier.
And this moment and several others,
Queen of Pems had a very rough game.
It was not hunky dory.
Couldn't have said it better.
Thank you for that.
Amen.
How could the off lane Quinnipane work?
Not so much in this lineup but in general because it's been like there sometimes in the
meta not so much in competitive people like at pubs but you know you guys were like oh
we kind of like what Quinnipane brings against liquids heroes when it was drafted.
I mean if he had a little more like other bros to play off like I think mealy guys
to go in or give you some stunts because honestly it didn't even look that bad.
I think just eventually he found himself in the right place or like the wrong place at the wrong time over and over
He just got getting extorted but overall I think like the pic wasn't that bad
I think it's just the problem the surroundings don't really don't make it look good
Didn't let it shine and I'm saying you need you need kill. She's sort of ways to be good back to you now
Why are you laughing what was so funny about that because I have to think sometimes when I speak English
You're making quite a trouble with English with the second language.
You're a piece of shit, Quinn.
Quinn, fuck it.
I'm relaxed, guys.
We're just friends.
Excuse you.
Like that, an excuse you have.
Speak!
Look at that!
I think I tried to like that uncomfortableness, because he's on to going right now.
I just had a deep breath there, kid, Chesn.
Speak!
We can go back all the way.
Let's do it again.
That was no good.
Oh, now he said something.
Have a second.
that was not good because you didn't get the little pop when you get the two
hands boxy in this game boxy he did his job he was there he won't know us for it
so he's nothing special this guy whatever I'll pose SD yeah liquid uh really
ramping back up because one of your things actually love you guys had that
sentiment it's like they were doing okay in group stages but they were losses
moments when you're like this isn't really reminiscent of the old liquid or the liquid that they could be but have they kind of hit that moment and where is the point where we go yet they've kind of hit critical mass as liquid.
I mean I think this these drafts are very much the classical liquid identity I like the drafts I like the direction and they are headed. I do think it's hard to gauge gameplay from this series because to be honest they were so much better than
than Gamer Legion, that to take away too much from this I think is like a bit overstepping,
but I do think the drafts were headed in a good direction, and I think as long as they
look at these replays and they take stuff from it and they continue to improve and
aren't just like, yeah, we're all, we own those guys, boom, boom, we're the goats,
like you gotta keep improving because they've been rocky for the past couple of months
for a reason.
I mean sometimes you just need that reality check, right?
It's like, yeah, this is the great best of three for you, but like, grain of
salt needs to be picked up as well.
Yeah.
I mean, I would say they were already very good, like in the group, so I know
We said like, you know, they had some losses here or there, but I think the way the matter
is right now, the stuff that they're picking, and especially now that they bring back like
the Monkey King and the Nature's Prophet for Mikae, gives me a lot of confidence.
I will agree with Quinn's point that it's like, you can't overly read into the gameplay
of this series specifically, but I think if you look at the other games of the group
stage, they're definitely on their trajectory up.
Oh god, damn, looking at you is making me choke, huh?
Gets to the best of us.
any final thoughts about liquid because they are now qualified to multi will be
seeing them in a couple of days here at this beautiful Blastlam studio I'm just
excited to see them play a best of five straight away right like oh true after
this type of gameplay that we've seen that they could have easily been first in
the group if of course the heroic mass series went a different way so then
they go into water to play Falcons in a best of five that's like that's
pretty exciting entry spoilers because right now we're just showing everyone
what the last few days have been leading up to. Our play in stages all now concluded
along with our best of three. We saw Yandex and Falcons qualify yesterday. Today it was
heroic with the upset 2-0 against Tundra, Liquid getting the 2-0 against Game Legion,
Navi and OG. Well, they already secured their tickets to Malta from that group stage. They
were just a cut above the rest, which now brings us to what T was alluding to,
Which is our playoffs bracket our best of fives and how we'll have those
So oh gee and Navi you guys can see it
They skip all the way straight to the semi-finals, but it is Falcons and
Liquid as well as a Yandex and heroic this bracket to me is just already very interesting in the fact that bottom side of the bracket
Right, I'm gonna say there's no tundra. Of course
You just sit two steps ahead. All right. All right. Let's just take two steps back
All right look at the bottom side Navi heroic Yandex Yandex we've already seen in a finals
They won a tournament, they got the finals in the last slam, but the 4th of Haruq or Nabi making the grand finals,
no matter what, any of those 3 teams, it's like a very cool storyline.
Like the grand finals isn't going to be a tundra falcon, an inevitable, again, it's like actually, no matter what, I'm excited for that grand finals.
I fully agree. I'm very hyped to have something different, a little spice.
I think Dota, we said it before, but I think it's very, very true.
Dota is more even now than it's ever been, and I think I'm excited to get to see these teams play in a best of five.
a lot of them we don't see them play in best of fives too often because they're not making
the finals I think especially you know like the the OGs and Navi's these teams we've I've never
seen them in a best of five actually and so seeing them on on on a big stage against the best teams
I think that's that's really cool and I'm excited to see yeah I think also like the upper part
of the bracket I think the meta shaping up to be like a lot faster I'm a little bit scared for
Falcons like going into even their first match against Liquid and even if they beat them
like into OG I think there's some like homework they have to do to like look at the other
games but yeah excited for the playoffs for sure. Well the playoffs are gonna be a little
bit away we are taking a few days breaks before we see all of that best of five action. We're
gonna have a crowd here in Malta and they're gonna be treated I guess to what is gonna
be the opening best of five of Falcons and Liquid followed by Heroic and Yandex on
that Friday and before we do get caught up in all the commotion that will be
happening around I'm gonna ask you guys before we close today who you think are
gonna be the two teams that make it to the grand finals before we see the state
before we five-check anyone where you think those two teams gonna come from I'm
going with OG yep so that's the top half and then the bottom half is even
Na'Vi Yandex. Okay, OG Na'Vi.
You're still me finding it.
They're coming straight in, and they're going straight up.
Oh, God. Straight in and up.
That's how it works.
Um...
You're gonna be on the contrary there, T?
Yeah, I'm leaning between OG or Liquid and then Na'Vi or Heroic.
I'm just trying to lock it in.
Well, you know what?
Well, while you're locking it in, Ben, do you know?
I'm gonna say...
I just don't know what you mean.
No, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I'm just giving him the time he needed.
I'm good. That's all right.
Close, anyway.
So I think it's gonna be Liquid against Yandex.
I think it's gonna be my ex teammate shuffle. Okay, and they're all gonna let me go. Of course you would think that
Bias, you know
OG heroic
Okay, oh, gee rohik oji Navi liquid yandex
It seems like that really truly is no team that is one cut above the rest
You guys can't decide who's gonna make it to the grand finals our teams
It's just gonna have to fight it out and best of fives resuming on Friday here at Bluffland 6