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to the final day of Blast Slamma 6, Malta, yeah. It is one to be excited for. That is
without doubt. We've got our grand finals coming up. Obviously, no real spoilers, but
Liquid and Navi are going to be taking to the stage and joining me at the desk,
that has always been here at Blossom and Sick.
Still here.
Still here?
How are you still here, Kazer?
I don't know.
You tell me.
Apparently, I've been doing good enough to still make it
to the final day.
I think you've been doing excellent.
I like this guy.
I feel like he should go.
I barely slipped through, skated by the skin of my teeth.
Whoosh.
But I'm here.
I'm here.
You're here.
And T, staple is always, how are you going today?
Luckily, not in question.
So we're great.
I know.
This guy's good, huh?
There it is.
I was excited how you guys put today,
and obviously what we've seen so far, of over playoffs.
I'm super pumped.
I think today is honestly very exciting.
I think Navi being in a best of five,
genuinely that alone is really, really awesome.
I think there's great store lines for Liquid too,
and I think it's a treat,
and it'll be very exciting regardless of which team wins.
Yeah, and look, I'll ask Tee later.
He needs a little time to think about it,
because we're gonna dive into having a look
at how these two teams got here,
and what happened yesterday in our second day of playoffs.
He's gonna chase Toeflip with a staff beat, the Crimson keeps Toeflip a little longer, he'll finally fall
But it took so much come out from Natsumi
They could not jump, Nisha said he finds the opening ball, they managed to get the set up up towards him
Someone's gonna pat Natsumi out of here
If it's the way it's dropped out, up towards him, he's gone
They killed Natsumi off depth, and I see
Get it?
None of them touched towards him, he's got the artist to protect him
He's gonna get the chance to get back down to the photograph with the axe here
He's gonna let's us survive a little longer than he'll come on
Nisha, in with the jump by the wall
Up towards Natsumi, Natsumi's in trouble, he's going
Can they look for the chicken blood?
Is that ready to go?
And Nisha makes the jump.
Strangle it, skin for skin.
Then, first, put in the answers.
Keep your fire there, have a turn.
He said advance to get back in on this.
They're looking at you, sending the envelope to the HB.
The fortification comes out.
Head to play.
But the Banshee's going to be a game,
I think they're trying to end it.
They're going to get the control in.
Eyes, eyes, eyes, eyes, eyes, plus.
The Banshee's going to go full.
So can they finish the HB?
No, they can't.
Earthfire may run into, underneath the Tier 2 tower.
M-A-T's the leader.
And now the war goes out on Cotlju's.
half HP already. Try to save him with the arena, it's not gonna do much though. The drums just keep on banging.
No silence on this time, Hunter. Ravage goes out and the weaver will die. Actually Ravage only got a cat-clot on the side, Watson.
He catches both Riddies and Niku. Now Niku, whoa, big turnaround though. That is gonna hurt a raptor dancing.
See what he can hit? Goes for the cat, is cataclysm out and Niku, oh man, that's just not fair! That's not fair!
You can't do that! You're not allowed to do that!
Zions, look at the Toss back. Toss him into the Ember Spirit here.
I'll run him down, Watson.
He hits his level 6 off the neutral, said he could've lost her play.
The way he won a sick move from Watson!
Zions will fall through, and back off the Toss back, Automality.
Jump in the middle of this, the Antis.
Spearing Zions a little bit, but then it's Uniku who's gonna be in some trouble here.
Got off the side of Fist, doesn't he? And jump back!
He's gonna watch us sliver of HP, Watson, though.
travel in. He's about to go for it. Go straight for it. Oh my God. What? Five HP is all that's
mean. He just needs two shots on Deadshot. Hit some God, the Jews need some trouble.
Let go finish it off on the Embers. It was so crazy how Best of Fives played out yesterday,
but we're seeing the full run that these teams have made to the Grand Finals. Most
notably Liquid, who have been in there since the quarterfinals. They're Best
the game. You know, you know,
you know, you know, you know,
you're going to have to go to
five against Falcons going all
five games. They eventually
win out that game. And then to
come up against O G and kind of
just have this clean three. Oh
is what I'm going to say. No, I
think game three. It wasn't
close at all. But I'm not. I'm
more like that was exactly what
you want to see in any series
and any players that game three
encapsulated everything that
you want in a Dota game,
right? O G got clinging on
doing everything they can. The
Liquid they are looking very very scary looking very very good, but I just want that game three
I want some one of those games in this grand finals the one where we're like at 80 minutes and there's mega creeps
I'm a pistol blazing support you got double yeah double mega creeps like I was again all the intensity
Of course you can see og not being too happy of course, but for liquid again
I think it's just relief right when you look at like this roster that the fact that they are looking towards this
You know maybe getting another trophy under the belt. It's a yeah relief
I mean, so far every BO5 has given us something, like whether it's crazy or different picks or going to 80 minutes.
I will say Liquid, from the start of the playoffs I had pretty high hopes in this team.
And I think every single series they're doing something better, they're improving.
How they play, how they pick and what they do together just looks super, super clean.
Just to go back to OG, obviously it's still a better placement than what they have shown us.
I think they still have a lot of room to improve.
They haven't been together all that long, so I still got very high hopes for them.
They just didn't really get to show their full power yesterday.
Yeah, but it is great practice like that. We've talked about it before the best of five
It is important reps that will be very very good for them in the future
And I also just as a side note
I think it's really like I think best of eyes are awesome because you get so much more emotion from the series like you can see
They're so much happier like they're like genuinely. Oh my gosh. We want thank goodness, you know
And they're like that the hug like you can see more and I think you don't see that that often it though
It's people are locked in there like we got another series
We got another series, but when you win the best of five there's way more of like a release of tension
And I think that's that's really cool to see there's no silly lifeline
You know, this is a bracket is boring, you know, but when you have one serious one life, brother
Yeah, exactly. You've got to make it all out. So again, I am really just enjoying like the last two days
Oh, yeah, and that was the question that I posed yesterday where it's like normally a best of five
You see a lot of emotion because it's a grand final. That's all we really see it for in Dota
So now it's seeing it in the quarterfinals and the semi-finals for best five
There is just so much more tension in a game a lot of experience that can be earned as well
Which is exactly what the young roster of Navi get to have yesterday when their best of five went to all five games
It was game one you get dominated game two you dominate game three you lose a close game game four
You win a close game and then game five. I don't even really know how to sum that one up
I mean game five was just super chaotic like all of these things like also going back and you could also see
I think it was after maybe it was after game three or game four like Navi
They took a lot of time on the stage like when I was in three
Yeah, like it's like after this games you need to understand what are you talking about and you can tell what criminal saying
You know the emotions like understanding what do you need to talk about?
But you know they put it together went outside had a good talk and obviously they brought it back and they gave us some banger games
Yeah, they really did it
I'm just I'm just really happy for them
This is it's such a fun experience to get to win these close games when a series goes to five games
And you're actually able to clutch out like they're just they're just jazz
Yeah, he's flopping around like a fish. He doesn't know like handshake hug like it's just everything
You know, just filled with emotions, like,
hands in the air, we've got it all.
I mean, historically for this roster, right,
they've just not made it to the final day.
So for them, winning this, like, wait,
we're gonna play on a Sunday,
we're gonna play in a series
where we can actually lift the trophy, like,
to them, like, their best result was 5th-6th.
So, of course, even after that,
then he's jumping onto an interview with main cast as well,
you know, sharing emotions with, you know,
his all his fans and stuff.
But, yeah, I think for Na'Vi, this is just, like,
I'm not gonna say, like, once in a lifetime,
but it's more like, it's the potential,
kind of like, peak for what this roster was built for,
right when it's the junior to now it's like they wanted to be a trophy lifting team especially for Navi
You know they're craving something for was it 10 years of drought?
But no, I am just really excited to see if these young guys can do it. Yeah, I hope we see it more because he gives winter interview
I'm gonna say for doing it the first time in front of an audience this man really delivered
I think it was one of my favorite like debut winter interviews we've gotten
Yeah, this guy's got charisma
I hope they keep winning more because I want to hear this guy with a microphone in front of him more because he is actually hilarious
He's no inhibitions. He's got that like super young like I'll just say whatever I want
Precautions exactly and that's very refreshing. You see he might need a little bit of media training
You know like the slam dunk, you know
Just for that, you know the play of a tournament some stuff
But you know, yeah, he's got charisma for days. It's the it's the no filter stuff
You know it gives like a different side to people and I think also you could see it in like one of the pictures
When after you win a game that it's so important that I mean he was FaceTiming
You know, maybe it's his mom or his dad saying like yeah, we're making it
You know, we made it this far. It was an interview with on the phone
Yeah, with the Ukraine broadcast main cost. So is there a good enough instantly? Yeah
Still good. They're good still good back to you crazy back my point was done. You just dunked on it
BAM!
No quick play for you, back to you.
It's actually gonna be way more enjoyable than listening to me talk.
It's gonna get to see outplay of the day done in SFM by Demiria.
A liquid might go for a roast first, and then go for the all-in, cause there's no glyph.
But there's a lot of summits too.
I had to play, but the base is gonna be a game I did the trial and win!
They are gonna get the control there!
I suppose the huge eyesplots that pretty much don't force them can't finish the
edge of it at the same time they can!
That's got the damage here, Liquid!
That's finally, finally, finally managed to close this game up!
I'm with that, of course. Get the 3-0 here against OG.
Yeah, I feel like maybe that winning moment for Liquid was almost as good as that, as a fan of it.
My god, I wish, I wish the club lasted longer so we could hear our own and follow cast more.
It's actually like, it's just, it's such a treat. These long games, they're such amazing casters
in getting this long extended hype game with, like, some of the goats of Dota casting, maybe V goats.
It's like, it's actually sick. It's so, it's so hype.
We're sure giving Demira like a week to make that one so they can do like five minutes maybe and then you can
Like that's the clue exactly turn it into like a short film and yeah, but again amazing as ever
It is a lot of joy to get to see that and it's going to be joy to get to see some more doughnut today
We're gonna take a look at our very limited schedule because all that is on the cards for us today is our grand
Final it's gonna be starting it pretty soon, and it's gonna be up against team liquid and Navi
Two teams. One final. One trophy. Liquid took the long man. No shortcuts. No free passes.
Obstacles on their way. Navi never blinked. Group stage locked.
Semivinal handled. Clear panel. The bracket split them early.
Liquid had to fight through it.
Na'Vi had full control.
Now the pads collide.
Momentum versus control.
Rhythm versus preparation.
Pressure tested versus pressure avoided.
Everything on the line?
No tomorrow?
No second try.
Liquid wants to finish what they started.
Na'Vi wants to prove the directorate
was the right battle. Only one team walks out as a champion. This is Blastland 6.
This is the Grand Final.
Well, Navi and Liquid are making their way to the Grand Finals. We've already talked about
how they've done it in such two different fashions. Liquid almost making it into that
the game. It's a lot of
pressure. I think it's a game
five. It's a best of five once
again, but it's a grand final.
I think it always feels a
little bit different. That
final day. You're the only
one's playing. You get in that
bus. There's a, you know, the
whole trip there. You're
going to have a lot of fun
with that. You're going to
have a lot of fun with that
game. You're going to have a
lot of fun with that
direct semifinal slots, but
having to see themselves play
in a best of three just to
get to mult, uh, push
through a game five in the
quarter finals have a much
easier semi finals, whereas
Navi. They have to sit back,
relax, enjoy and really test
their limits in this year is
you're thinking about it the night before maybe sleep a little less because you're tense like there's so much build-up and tension I think to these these grand finals it is a very very different feeling and it I think it changes the way the series feels it was that like you know from experience
yes time you were going into your first grand finals absolutely I think it it it definitely it feels a different way there's like an electricity in the air I the trouble sleeping is very very true and it's not just me that experienced that I hope at least gracious
You didn't talk to your teammates about it?
Huh?
You didn't talk to your teammates about it?
You're like, God, that's like a really bad loss now.
There were some traumas, so I gave some of those files.
Okay, sorry.
I don't think we need to talk about it too much.
I mean, I guess also sometimes when you have those things, you kind of want to like keep it to yourself
and not like, you know, alarm the people around you like too much.
Yeah.
And I think something else that matters a bit is like, how did you get to these,
like to the grand finals?
You know, like your road.
I think Liquid, after their initial match against Falcons, that was a big one
because that was a very tense series.
And same for Navi.
You know, yesterday you go up against Yandex, you win out in five games, you have an insane
ending to one of the games, so both teams, they're obviously very pumped up, and they've
had to play very tough matches to even make it here.
Normally when you look at a series, and it's a close series, it's a bit scary, right?
When it's like one team 3-0 is another team 3-2, and then they meet together, you always
lean towards the 3-0 team, but I think, especially with how the best of fives have
been played out, you do learn so much more that I think, you know, Liquid 3-2
into a 3-0.
Na'Vi, the only series they've played with a 3-2, so it's like, as long as they're
learning from this. It doesn't matter if you've had this like nerves or whatever
because through the coach, through the management, everyone kind of communicating,
I feel like you should just be improving coming into the day. So I feel like
this kind of liquid being the better team, I'd like to think that Navi are
going to be very prepared for it. Well even in that interview that we keep
referencing that Nika had after the winning moments, he actually credited a
lot of what they were able to do yesterday to their coach with CY,
right? He brought a lot of knowledge to the team, sort of
that rock for them and you can see by the way that they've upskilled so much since he's joined
looking at the the tier one placements for them over that last little bit of when they were either
navi jr or now the full navi roster yeah like i just wanted to show because this team you know they
haven't been on like the international scene or that at least the tier one stage for that long
and like you said ever since cy joined him and you can tell you know nico and him if like it
really funny but also like cute relationship they talk to each other all the time he shows
him like these plays but just to look at their placements you know if this is already
their best placement by far. And I think this is also the best form that this team has shown us since
you know they have been together. So I just really feel like this team is on the up. It's super cool to
watch people that are like very much bros with each other and also their coach and like all the
management. It's like one you know little family, five friends playing together and just making
it happen. Hey because what was it? It was CY that was telling us a little anecdote as well
that Niko will just randomly message him on things like bro get on the call with me it'll
be super quick and then it's like three hours later Niko's run through like all these
past pubs of the last week and like everything he should get to play mid.
Yeah.
That's such a treat.
The idea of actually like looking at Dota and trying to like invent your own ideas and
have your own thoughts.
I think that is so refreshing.
A lot of players, especially you know a couple years ago when we had Pro Tracker, you'd
load up the Pro Tracker in the morning, you'd copy some guys build, and then, ooh,
a pro player like whoopsie whoopsie.
Oh, I'm a pro player.
Yeah, that's big.
It was so, so soulless.
So I think now like having players having to think about their own ideas, thinking
about the ways to navigate these problems, hearing Niku having this idea. If you can harness it,
craft it, understand it, make it less volatile then that is going to be the new generation of
Dota players. There is a little bit of volatility though in Navi that we would like to see rained
in because what we saw yesterday in the semi-finals that maybe was a bit of an oopsie in a lot of
places, it wasn't that draft. It was the way that they were pushing powers. They were trying
to take map control that you go to Wanda. Are you ever extending because of Nervs that
that you're on the stage, or is this just how the Navi roasts the place?
Yeah, because we need to show very crucial moments like this is,
if you're in the grand finals, you need to clean up these places.
Look at the minimap. This is Navi pushing, they have a lead.
You don't see anything. All you see is Watson on the top,
but all these three heroes are missing.
You don't see the puck, you don't see the mars, you don't see the maratha.
At this level of play, you have to respect your opponent.
So like, look how they're pushing.
They're just kind of showing all their bodies, even Riddies on the warlock.
He's out of position.
What if he threw me?
Like, they cannot be pushing like this.
Because they're like, look how the five stars, right?
They starved with their real...
It's kind of simple even for Yandex, and then Niko as well.
He's like, yo, bros, I'm gonna help you out,
but you cannot have the, you know, help your buddy system.
Now, this is 30 minutes, like, ages.
They just picked up the rapier.
Same story, mini-map. You don't see anything.
They're all missing. Look at how they're pushing.
He's basically even standing still.
Like, they're just inviting Yandex to find this opportunity.
And this is like, again, they're leading.
They have an ages. They have a rapier available.
This is like, game-winning moment.
If you cannot mess up these opportunities, you're going to play against Liquid, you're in the finals now.
These are the type of players, and these are the moments that I hope Na'Vi have talked about to make them more clean today.
Because if you don't make those nicely, you will throw the games away.
But luckily what you showed us are very easy things to fix.
Other map plays are like the wrong TP, the wrong positioning on calls, rotating.
That's harder to fix in the moment, but that type of move there, whoever's the short caller, again, probably got the juice.
He's going to go to tone it down a bit, respect other people's positioning.
I think with Navi, their carry being the primary shot call and a very vocal point in the game,
you can sometimes like ignore other like smaller calls getting made.
So clearly that's maybe a problem, but I do feel like it's fixable overnight as long as you have that honest conversation together.
Yeah, I mean the point about God that you're speaking the shot call, I think it's interesting especially getting the higher pressure situations
because I think there's a fine line you have to tread whenever you are a core who communicates a lot of talking too much
and trying to lead the game from sort of a third party perspective as opposed to speaking about your game.
I want to do this I want to do that because I think if you get sucked into this black hole of communicating about what everyone wants to do
Sort of this nightfall s communication of like do this do that you do that like I think my romantic yeah
Yeah, yes, exactly. I think that can that can be very damaging and so I think treading that line and
All of them understanding that we're playing our individual games were pieces of a bigger puzzle and what see why worry about the big stuff
Okay, we're playing our game and that they focused down on that that I think they have much much better odds
You could also argue it's maybe on even Riddie's there, right? The fact that he's dead. He's not even there on the warlock
Yeah, why as there's I support you should be warning it. Hey guys, maybe we should wait 10 seconds
Like of course that's kind of an argument like who's got the loudest voice in the team and maybe they're the problems that you can't fix overnight
But again, I think there's there are some room for improvement for Navi and again
I'd hope really really hope for the sake of this series that they have kind of cleaned up that aspect
Yeah, and so we're giving this advice for Navi whether they're listening or not
I probably wouldn't honestly as much as I love these guys, but we can also talk about liquid because it feels like we've been much less critical of them and that is just because they have been playing fantastic Dota.
We've already talked about it to push 205 games in their first best of five come out victors and then three are against OG.
It is really hard to sit here and say things that they haven't done wrong.
Yeah, I think they're the tempo of their gameplay and the speed some of these early games. They've had some of the
Dominant performances. I think are are like liquid of old when you think about that team it was always like they will get to the finals
They will be tough for you. It was never a question. It was just almost a fact
And I think while they're not quite at that same level
They are getting back up to that state and I think people are starting to believe again
They're sort of that reinstalled faith and when you see Nisha on a team, they will just be in the finals
It's just it's like it's just faith. I feel like Nick was had some some calibration
throughout this slam where they're trying to find what is Ace's role, what type of offlane does he want to be,
how are you enabling the hero pool of Mika even, Nisha to some degree. But I feel like the last series,
they've locked it in. They know exactly what they want, they know how to punish certain people.
And of course, coming into this, it is going to be a battle of Nisha shining in the last playoffs.
Can Niku step up to that? Can he just survive the lane in Nisha in the form that he's currently in?
It's also to me when I look at Liquid, I think people weren't too sure myself,
including how are they going to mesh together? Of course they had a lot of changes. They brought in Ace and Tufu.
Tufu had to do a lane swap, but I think they've all proven their individual skill and excellence in this tournament already.
But not just that, I think now it's starting to click as a team, starting to understand how do we want to play, how do we want to draft,
how do the heroes function together, and this is really what is making them, I think, look so dominant in this tournament so far.
The drafts just feel better.
Yeah, they do. They really, really do. There was a real problem with that earlier, I think, where you look at some of their heroes
And they just didn't mesh well together and I think that's a huge part of it
Yeah, and my boy boxy. I know I talk a lot about this guy
You need to keep your eyes on him like the heroes he has played in the playoffs because this is for the entire tournament
But in the playoffs he has only played the mealy bros and the funny and interesting thing is to like he mainly sticks to like the tusk
And the tiny but when those heroes are banned or when those heroes are picked like he will always find like you know
He will find the backup yesterday
He had the Marci and other games you have the Earthspird as well where it's like it's kind of interesting because if you take the tusk and tiny away
Like the Earthspird himself is pretty good at saving from those heroes as well because like you can see it here
And in these games, this is the only times they actually played Earthspird because Earthspird plus 4 it's not good
No one else really does it but they like find these ways, you know against the tusk
You can then save if they take the clock you can then also save from the clockwork
So I think Team Liquid have like a very interesting thing where they have their best heroes
but if you contest them or have something against them they have like the next level and I think that's really when you're drafting is like
The best it can be when you're ready for what they can do against your heroes
And you even have the answers to those the earth for itself
It's just so refreshing to see because he's playing on the repositioning of the hero
But also he is not an earth for a game where he has no one to play on like in all those three drafts
Like there's a simple support or a call where he can go to and go
I have purpose in the early game and I feel like us for it to me
It's like it's a hero that's been just lost for so long and now boxy bringing it back
like knowing that he is going to be this map playing for hero in the in the mealy role
then I would argue Navi need to maybe think about that be ready for his rotations
But again, it is just a treat to watch. I love seeing these type of four players in the game
It's it's honestly super exciting and it reminds me of like the old days of critting Jax playing this here
Like yeah, when I think of our spirit for I think of those two players specifically
And I think boxy fits in with them in terms of this like killing playstyle hunting for for kills
You're always the one starting fights this you know
We talked about it this dog on the leash mentality
And I think he very much fits in with them and it's like a blast in the past whenever people like sort of dig back to old heroes old concepts
I think it's always like very refreshing and just cool to see because it reminds you of like, you know older areas and don't I think that's awesome
But there's a mix when it comes to liquid you're talking about like those old play styles those old berries
But they're also incorporating the newer heroes, right?
We're gonna talk about longer here because when ace inside his hands
Yeah, I gotta give a shout out to production because this day they've hooked on this one
But like you're saying, they've got the new stuff too, you know, Ace.
Look at his, look at, look at what Largo will do to Riddies' hero pool.
You know, he's sucking the ringmaster so hard he's even starting to cry.
This guy, Riddies will have to pay attention to what's going on in this game,
because Ace on the Largo, he's gonna sing those tunes and he's gonna lick his hero pool.
I mean, you just dispelled it for days.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I mean, of course, Ace is becoming one of the better off-lane Largo players.
He's doing exceptionally well.
One little critique might be the, the bonus...
Critique?
Yes.
Please go.
Why me? Am I allowed?
You may. You may.
Mother, may I?
Thank you very much.
I feel like Ace is a very strong Lago player,
but because it's such a new hero,
the ceiling of Lago is so high that the pro players
still haven't mastered the heroes.
Like, we're seeing very good play,
but I still feel like there's still room to grow.
There's like managing the use of your Rhapsody
to then go for the lick,
to then reset, go back for Rhapsody.
Like, you can't do so much more on the hero,
but again, Liquid,
one of the best Lago licking teams in the game.
Amen.
I mean, you can't, Liquid literally don't have a K in their name.
It's, it's, it's, uh, thinking way too deep, stop that, it's just, I'm going to, I'm going to, apparently everyone else can have a critique, but not me.
Instead, I'll just talk about the fact that maybe Ace getting the logo, we've hyped it up, Boxy, he's merely positioned for what we're really overlooking on this side of Liquid, is Nisha.
And just how uncontested it's feel, it feels like he's been in that mid-lane.
it really has and I think we looked at some of their past games and for almost all of their recent
games he has had a favorable matchup or at worst an even one and I think going into this matchup
while I think Nisha is probably a more consistent and dominant player than Niku I would say on
average I think there is a slight mix up in this you know best of five because I think Niku is
actually someone who's willing to counter pick him I think the past couple of mid players
he's played against are very much we're just gonna draw we're like adds whatever should be
shopped Niku you heard it in his interview last night he said I'm gonna smash Nisha tomorrow
And while he may be meaning a little bit, I think the mentality is very very good
And I think actually trying to stick it to and say I'm gonna play you're gonna play hard lanes tomorrow
Or we're gonna play contentious lanes that I can actually beat you in I love that mentality
I think it's really important against liquid because if you give this guy a free lane, you know what happens
That's why I'm so excited for this series because of course, you know, you know team bus team
But in the mid lane matchup the way that Nico was dropping it
He tried picking a person with a beast that didn't work out
And what other ideas does he have to try and play into niche because niche is like it's a less sure storm or a
like you kind of know the start of hero coming.
Maybe Niku has cooked up an idea.
So game one, game two,
Navi can kind of go a bit more creative to try and test it,
and then they might recalibrate themselves
if it doesn't go out, but I am really excited to see
like what is in play for the Grand Finals for them.
Yeah, we've had a lot of celebration around Liquid.
They're making it to a Grand Finals
and what feels like almost an eternity.
It's not that long, but it has been a while.
Of course, yesterday as well,
we had Miki and Foxy celebrate their 1,000th win
as a duo, but there's another duo
that we haven't really given the limelight on, and that is Ace and Tofu.
I guess when did it actually start?
Was it... what team was that?
It's like so many years, like five, six years ago, I don't even know.
The stack started with Misery, I think we were called Helber's Mashers at first.
Where it was also the first pro team for me.
And I was like, trying to get in, playing tryouts and like,
being with the team and he gave me a shot and also supposed to play five,
even though I was a POS4 player back then and it was it was laning with Ace
and like I knew his name before from pro but he wasn't at the ladder bot at that time
because he was also at like some break before that and was teamless also
and I don't know it was like just a new guy back then and I was like asking
I had no idea who you were if he wants to play like some duo queue to like I don't know
get to know each other better and play and then from scrims and play I don't know we just
I started playing games together every day and that kind of clicked right from the get-go.
Because I remember I got invited by Misery at this time and I wasn't really planning to really try hard in pro at that point.
I kind of just wanted to chill, but I got invited and I was like, okay whatever.
I might have always tried a little bit for fun and I didn't even know who he was.
But then we played a bit together and I don't know, it was a pretty good story.
It was actually fun, it was nice.
So it was a lot of motivation and then I don't know, we clicked well
And that's kind of how it started and like we play at the evenings as well and like other games and shit
Now fast forward is like I don't know like five years by now
There is this such a funny duo where it's like you put them to interview each other and they're like
I actually don't really know this guy, but they know each other really well
Yeah, that's classic. It's classic guy friends. You're like, you know everything about their favorite Dota hero and this and that and the other
They were like, what's your birthday?
How old are you?
Yeah, I'm like, what's that full name?
No idea.
Where are you from?
I think it's one of the classic.
Yeah.
You're going to talk about the important things, you know?
And we're going to talk about something else important.
When it comes to Navi and liquid
versus against each other in a grand final,
is there coaches?
We haven't talked about it at all,
but CY and Blitz have a very long running history
of grand finals against each other.
And Quinn, you could give us the insight.
How single-handedly is it advantageous to see why against Blitz?
I believe we were 5-1 against Liquid.
Now, the tournament they won, we don't need to mention what tournament that was.
But before that...
We won't talk about that one.
Yeah, we won't talk about that one.
But before that, we're 5-0, and CY is very, very confident in Grand Finals.
I think he is a very, very good draft.
He is the one clicking the buttons for the team.
And I think his prep is very good.
He's very confident in his ideas.
And I think also you heard it in Niko's interview.
I think they believe in him a lot.
I think he's someone who's very good at sort of binding his team together
and being someone that people believe in and so I think it's very good for them that he is drafting for this finals
It's also that we talked about but see why entry to coaching was with gaming right?
So you enters gaming coach and of course then with a lot of stuff together and then your next job after that is joining
RV so for him as well
It's like a true test as a coach day after gaming
Can you bring another team up to be lifting trophies to get them to a grand finals already very impressive?
But I think there's already kind of that thing where this it could be the start of you know
lifting many more teams up. For sure CUA has added a lot Blitz as well long running with his team on
Liquid as well and whilst we love talking about them so much we really just want to get to talk
about Dota and so we're going to begin our grand final with a game one draft.
of the game. Well, best of
five. We're all very familiar
with at this point in time in
the Blast lamb six format, but
at the end of this best five,
either Navi or liquid will be
lifting that trophy. And so
you want to get off on the
right foot here for a game
number one. And so banning
Nature's profit, Jakiro and Ursa is what Navi takes out.
Liquid right now taking out the more stable,
or I should say the more constant,
man's trend and barrider.
So Navi, of course, banned out Jakiro and Ursa
in this position yesterday against Shandex,
but they banned Viper instead of Nature's profit.
I could see an argument for Navi taking Nature's profit away
because of how static they can sometimes feel,
the fact that the supports
don't wanna get teleported on the pacing.
But it's also here that Liquid
hasn't been rushing towards.
There's like a TI draft where Liquid's like,
If Prop is available, we're picking it every game, so there clearly has to be some reasoning, some rationale behind it for future picks, but the Jokera and the Ursa, we praised it a lot yesterday, but yeah, it is enabling Viper to potentially enter the next phase.
Yeah, I mean, I think this Ursa ban is also really interesting, because it was being banned first phase last series because of the Underlord, right? That was, it became super high priority in that specific tournament, or in that specific series.
I don't know if that's going to be the case in this series, and Liquid might have a better answer than Yandex did for that hero,
especially with Razor still in the pool, so I'm curious to see how that priority works.
If Liquid does leave the Razor, then Navi will take it, and Liquid can't take the Underlord, so that's what they're thinking about right now.
Oh, okay, I forgot that. Chasi is still in the pool.
Out of the like trifecta of heroes SF is definitely like the upper one. I think he's good against both of them
So makes a lot of sense. I like that
You're also taking out the faster pace heroes that you guys already mentioned with the nature's prophet and the jokiro
I'm a bit surprised they banned the Viper of all that trio, but they are gonna do an SF razor trade
I think generally SF would be considered good against razor, but it's not some super black and white matchup
I think by any means this is relatively I think because razor such a strong here right now
it's quite both heroes are good. It really depends on kind of the support
shows that it's Razor landing into the Shadowfiend. The Shadowfiend have like a
tusk or a clockwork to utilize to kind of lock down for the Razors and then if
Razor isn't playing into Shadowfiend, are you buying auras and playing on a
quicker timing while Shadowfiend's still needing a bit more farm right? So there
is kind of like a back-and-forth between it. Liquid being in second pick will
decide whether Razor goes potentially at the end of the draft but yeah I think
both teams are only pretty happy with how they've opened up the draft so far.
I mean it's because I like the Razor a lot especially from second pick like
You guys said you can flex in a lot of lanes and while you don't have the best one-to-one matchup
I think SF hates being like collapsed on and though
So if you have offline razor other heroes can I come to you or if you put razor made you end up picking like some
Offline primal beast what you know what have you just lanes that you can just be very obnoxious to this hero that he doesn't have like this
table like first seven eight to nine minutes
I think both teams are probably quite happy with their openers here and now they they realize that
Boxy has so many of these melee four positions other teams has kind of
Utilize the second phase of bands to take away a tusk and a clock not respect in the earth spirit
And then of course boxy finds another one to kind of fill that void
So yeah, Navi not wasting any bands on boxy as of yet
I fully agree with that the concept of banning heroes whenever there's just another random replacement is just is a very crap
Just happened a lot of teams get baited into it. Yeah, so I totally agree
But they go for the Beastmaster ban
It would make the most sense for Liquid, you could just open up with insert boxed melee
4 hero, because then again if you're late with Razor, you're pretty happy with most
of them, whether it's a clock or a tusk, if he's somewhere else you can also always
gank for him, so that's also kind of nice.
Do you look towards maybe banning out a mid laner, start chipping away at the hero
pool of Nisha instead of looking at support, they just descend to her instead?
The Navi will close out the phase in this second phase, and the way that Niku does draft, I feel like it matters, because if Liquid wants to open up their mid-pick here, you then can just hard counter it.
Yeah, I think they're banning stuff that is either flex or just comfort heroes for Liquid.
Both heroes are also good in Shadowfiend. I think Navi has taken the route of, we're not going to try to ban the signature heroes, I think per se, for Liquid, aside from the Furion.
We're just like you're gonna pick your heroes
We're gonna pick ours and we're gonna play Dota
But I think it is a bit difficult right now with the
Hero pool that Liquid has to actually ban them out
So I think it is correct to take the approach of we're gonna ban heroes for the game specifically
We're gonna ban for our heroes and we're gonna just go to Tota Towie because we can't actually ban you out
And there's that Huskar
Interesting I
Mean that begs the question. What is Navi gonna counter it with right? We saw them
massively prioritizing the hero yesterday. They banned the Ursa probably for it, and now it's here again.
So have they thought about it more? Do they have an answer for it? Do they think Shadowfiend is good against it?
There's a lot of questions around this hero because it is very powerful, and I think Ace is probably the best underlord.
Shadow Demon is still in the pool.
Being able to throw kind of, you know, you want to throw a drone, I haven't raised one, but it's going to feel quite good.
eventual breaks down the line just slowing up but it could just make your
draft a little bit too too slow in the early game against Liquid that's
something that we need to remind you right Liquid is the team that is just
better in the early game than Na'Vi they're a lot more aggressive even though
there's kind of one game in Na'Vi justified yesterday that they kind of
showed it through the house guard but on average Liquid just has better
pacing early on. I would prefer the SF I think to maybe just be straight up
as a carry I think he has a okay matchup against other like about as
good as it can be, you're good against the Razor and I would prefer mid hero, I think
he was a little more mobile than just putting the SF mid where like underlord can gate on
you, I think you don't really enjoy ganking this guy.
So I would look for Navi to maybe pick a POS 5 that helps the SF lane, like whether
it's perhaps an undying I think could work.
I think you want strong rune, triding stuff, whatever it is, because you've already
got underlord on liquid, which means your draft is actually going to be a little bit
slower.
Underlord is a pretty slow hero generally.
quite a bit of items so to me this looks like already a very mid-centric game
where Liquid hasn't picked either of the supports they're gonna pick strong
room fighting ones and they think Navi needs to go fight that.
Okay so Navi picked up the shop to think my slight hesitation is we've raised it
getting potentially going through into mid lane that you buy one aura under
the buoys the other aura and then you don't really care about static
stun on this you just dump them all down you survive through it with a
pipe them a crimson to protect you from magic and then right click so yeah but
Navi they are going very much we want to be in your face tiny be it four or
mid hopefully four position they all want to find kills in laning phase. I mean
maybe there's a world where they like the disruptor because generally when
you look at box C's pool it is like a melee four pool which they don't mind
disruptor as much but I think when you have a double melee lane against like
two counter picks you can sometimes have like a super strong I think safe lane
maybe they want to play with this I will say for now the tiny SF
Disruptor it worries me a little bit, but it depends a lot on like the follow-up because disruptor needs pace
He wants lanes he can play with lanes he can go to where you can collapse
I think liquid for now also they have quite good heroes. I'd like holding their own ground
Yeah, they're very robust and tiny disruptor together if you're not snowballing now
You have these two heroes that need to kill if they're not getting kills
They're not getting gold the map's not developing and it can feel very stale and static and how you're playing as two saves
Like you mentioned you're playing as the Auras. Like I think already from these heroes the clock is on Navi that you need a good early game
You need some snowball and you need actually to make them bleed on the map
Yeah, and that's of course gonna come either from Niko in the mid lane
And then the off lane they're kind of the next two picks available and for off lane
I've tried I think what PMA can go to be a bit disruptive
But you're playing into a potential Razor or a counter pick
So I don't think you can really rely on PMA being like the the fix to this of course Niko
That's now kind of gonna kind of take the pressure
In what pick do you go for here's Navi I feel like you do see the double melee I think another this kind of like hard
All right, I mean this to me fits their draft like I've already picked tiny disruptor
I think you can't go back and like even it out really
I think you're kind of committed to the bit and that you need the snowball and I think Phoenix off lane is very explosive
It is so not something people play it's very often
So I think you won't have as good an understanding of laning against his hero as you will against other heroes
And if you die one time in the lane against his hero
He gets his earn like the game can collapse to a ridiculous degree and liquid heroes are all really bad against Phoenix
Like they can't kill this egg at all. They need attack speed all these heroes to function
And so I think it's a pretty cool Phoenix game
I think PMA is kind of a special something zero
Yeah, also I like Phoenix a lot against saves like let's say you start the fight with some tiny and you just drop the egg
like people get you know disrupted or snow will save the underneck well they're
straight up coming to an egg that is even closer to exploding still keeping you
there in the area so I like this a lot because they needed like these other
heroes that can play through and like Quinn mentioned they don't really kill
the egg it's also a super good Sunray game at least for now you know you have
unalloyed grazer they're kind of tanky heroes so I like what Navi are
doing here but in regards to the carry picks are liquid let's say you do put
the raise in mid then there's still like weevils and potential range
Here's that Mickey can pick up to again lanes are going to be good at all
But I'm looking like once you sort of get into the mid game
The eggs not a problem probably your shadow game with the shard for the cleanse
So then you can get rid of the fire spirits
Yeah
And it's matter of does liquid want to respect the laning of Phoenix and pick a roof strong laner
Or do you want to play for the let's just delete the egg and this call can never really play the game because you just
In a bad, you know one-to-one matchup
I mean the cleanse is definitely an important point like Phoenix in the mid game at like going toward the late game can
already be a little bit dicey pending so if you have ways to purge off all of his garbage then
he can, his impact can fall off some that's where I think you need to rely on the shadow
fiend and its potential last pick um but Nisha or Mikkei will have the guaranteed last pick so
they'll have that extra counter pick up their sleeve still which can change some dynamics
then do better jarred copter to be fair if you put toss into five with drinking bodies just
keep flacking the wave then it would have been hard for fiends to kind of dive underneath
the tower that's another option as well liquid just finds like a wave shoving
carry car will carry I don't know how to respond to that I was gonna say that
was a real real hit with the audience I feel like car will carries like some
that's like some some Navi stuff you know it's some C-wag cooking up some
pugnock carry some car will carry hmm which we do not really want to see
which means you want to win this best if I'm sorry I'm an unbiased
Casting. Very unbiased. I am normally very unbiased, but I'll be honest. I'm actually I'm leaning on me actually
So the first time in my life actually want nothing to
Me too ember
This is an okay ember game
I would say it's good against razor tusk and shadow demon. It's generally pretty bad against underlord
His ember is sort of mid-range poking damage under really gives you all that a fusion and then of course the classic pipe and crimson
So there's it's a mixed bag, but it is very good with shadow fiend
And I think when you have shadow fiend in your team you need to enable him with lock down with catch
So he can actually get these right clicks off the heroes a hero that needs help. He doesn't provide all that for himself
Let me see what is there? I mean you I'm pretty sure you can put razor mid against ember, right?
If you want it's not like a bad matchup at all. Oh, it's it's it's good
I think for carries there's like weavers maybe for mids. I mean, what do we like mid against ember?
Maybe there's like Slardars, but I think Phoenix is quite annoying for this hero
Slaughter is okay. I don't think it's anything crazy. I mean a lot of the best ones are already banned like cost car viper, back rider, east master
Yeah, and we're not really in a matter of picking up
carries that have natural dispels in them because that's one way to deal with the fiends
But again, you don't really want to put yourself in that position
Kind of like a naughty thing
I guess there's no big reason
I think Liquid is going to accept that there will be some difficulty in lanes, but as long
as you don't over rotate and try and save each other, you will inevitably have one pipe,
one crimson, and then of course the shard and SD, and that's when you play for the fight.
So I feel like it's unnavig to be the ones utilizing Phoenix, have them make the moves.
I want to see the tiny disruptor holding hands, like it's go, go, go from them.
And it's going to, you're just going to make Liquid overlap their farm at some point.
Like don't allow them to get to 15 minutes double aura, and you don't really have
major kill lead? I think there's a lot of pressure on Niku in this lane because
liquid supports are good at fighting around mid but Navi wants that snowball
they want it too and this is a lane that can go very poorly for Ember or it can
be drawish and I think if Ember hangs on and you get the drawish start then I
think in the game it's pretty bad for Razor because you don't actually do
anything to Ember so this is one that Niku he needs to play the lane while he
needs to do all the small things right and if he does then I think he can
be set up for success this game. It's also a matter of if he does well then
he can actually play onto the wisdom room if you get double wisdom on
on the side of Navi or Liquid, it's so important for your draft.
For Navi, it's for survival, continuing the aggression.
And for Liquid, if you get double wisdom, you delay the aggression of Navi
to buy time for the cores to be happy.
So I'm really looking at a seven-minute mark of the game to be really important.
I mean, I just like that both teams have the drafts where they can fight into each other.
Like, we've seen it throughout the entire tournament.
If you're not ready to fight back, you just get kind of owned, especially by Liquid.
And I think Navi have a pretty good draft.
They're like, you know, fighting back, they've got the Phoenix,
they have good team fight around it.
And I also agree, like the first 7 minutes and also like the first skirmishers like minute 10 are super important for this game.
What do you guys say then, that you're favoring one side? Have you just had to put it blankly?
It's kinda hard to choose.
I'm leaning slightly liquid just because I think Underlord is really really good in this game and if Navi don't get off to like a very good pace,
I think he's gonna be incredibly toxic with like his double aura and also the axe to like catch the Ember later.
But now we have like the type of draft where if they get off to a good start they can definitely snowball
Gazz only get to pick one team you don't get an explanation like when
I'm gonna say now everything
See the contrarian, but also a right or die right now with Navi
We do like what they've gone for as it is so Navi asked but liquid right now on an absolute steamroll
Let's see if it continues for our very first game in our best of five grand finals
to get into the action here,
the grand finals here at Blast
lamb six Malta. I'm only pixel
joined by fogged and we've got
the treat today of getting to
witness this best of five between
Navi and team liquid fogged
with again some fun stuff coming
in Navi bringing in some of
these supports that they like
to play. No one else likes
to, you know, ready, for
example, coming in with a
him with a disruptor pick and then Liquid get in to make a bit of a switch up
towards the end of their draft right they sort of see the situation make
they're like absolutely Nisha he's happy to take the razor against that Ember
in that mid-match up and they get Mckate the win ranger as the last pick
what are you expecting from this show down here Fogged. Lot of fighting I'm
so excited for this one you know these two teams the organizations we can
talk about as well too sure it's not the same players on Navi not the
same players on Liquid or anything but ten years that these teams haven't
met together and Navi right this is their first grand finals with the squad so I for me I'm super
gasped for them very excited to see what this game does entail and I do think they've gotten
themselves a really good draft in order to fight around these early timings liquid is all about
kind of this pace setting all about this tempo going it's a bit of a slower one I would say
from liquid so I do think Navi with these two supports tiny disruptor they're super active
they can make a lot of moves so I'm very hyped up for this one I think we should be very hyped
up with our sponsor, PolyMarkets, I'll be sure to put your bets and etc.
Let's see what they've got going on here off the back of the pause. I mean, who's gonna
go for the smoke first? You know, is there first blood potential? I feel like we never
really see it happen too much. You know, why is that? A team's just being super careful
when it comes to the bounces at no point taking the risk trying to get that first
blood?
Yeah, I mean, there's way too many. There's too many risks versus Shadow Demon, too
many risks versus Tosk. A lot of these heroes, they can just either increase damage,
Position or just yeah, I mean shadow demon tends to be if you have shadow demon on your team
I feel like most times you're the team that gets the first blood just because you can isolate a target
But teams are just careful right now
You don't want to mess up your lane skill the wrong ability could just mess up the matchups that you ideally want to look at
Supposities for the pause a ladies and gentlemen looks like we're just getting things sorted with the players on the stage
So I'm this game underway
I'm glad that we did get what looks like honestly Navi with five of their most comfortable heroes
I would say you know, maybe you can replace here and there slightly but like Niku this is I think his favorite hero that
I like to see him play Riddies
I think his clockwork and his disruptor my two favorites as I asked it's like
His eyes is a little hard because now his hero pool is weird because he used to play tree techies all the time
And that's what I usually like to see but I love his tiny. I like his active movement heroes. So
see some lines being drawn we'll see if they actually make anything happen with that
and in terms of this oh i'm just going to talk about the one or a side versus no or a side right
which we have to always mention one team you can maybe look at and has a better team fight lineup
you know navies is pretty explosive egg shadow fiend disruptor right tons of team fight liquids
maybe more about small skirmishes and specific timings and maybe waiting for that timing like
Like we said, this might be a bit of a slower game for Liquid in general until they do have
pipe because it's a like S tier pipe game as it tends to be, but yeah, everyone's magic
damage at least early on until that SF gets gets online.
I guess that's good.
Yeah.
I mean, is it going to be as slow of a game as we did see obviously the other day against
OG where we had that sort of 18 minute in which it took for Liquid to sort of take
it over in that later stage of the game.
If the game goes on, could we see that happen here?
How do you think that the sort of result should be a bit more volatile between these two teams with these lineups?
I would say more volatile, but hey, never write anything off in this one. Honestly yesterday's I thought I honestly thought that
OG was gonna get steamrolled in that game
I thought it was gonna be some 35 minute this like and maybe pivots away from some of these
Damage items and goes oras because there was only one damage hero, right?
So I thought that game was actually gonna be pretty explosive too, but I think
Best of fives call for pretty much anything teams can be a bit more careful and let's get underway
We're ready to go here. We've
gained one between the liquid
and Navi. Very much looking
forward to see how these two
teams match up and the mid lane
always going to be somewhere that
you want to focus when you know
Nisha in particular has been
playing at the level that he has
up against Niku on the Ember
spirit. It's absolutely going to be
a test for Niku, right? Obviously
still on the Ember. He's been
coming in with some hot
Master 2 on December spirit, but it's you're a melee hero up against a static link
It's not the most fun situation to find yourself in in the laning stage
Not even just without static link right just the place with the plasma spam
It's you and just the storm surge extra little pokes of damage. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting
The other thing I do want to talk about is the change in dynamic though, right?
Nisha is not playing an active, you know voids no storm spirit on pocket
That's the difference
So we'll see if that causes any type of results in the mid game where niku is able to thrive even if this
Glein goes badly with these rotations with the two supports, I'll have to say.
They have a sneaky first blood side here.
This is dangerous.
lane on. And he does this go
lvl 1. So that was first CS
in terms of, yeah in terms of that
first wave you got 20 damage that's going to be tough
for any group to deal with. Yeah smart setup
don't see that too often, that positioning
for people to go. No, no absolutely not.
That catches him completely by surprise.
We've obviously sort of seen teams
do this whole kind of, you know
start with a tri lane and one of the side lanes
for that first blood attempt but
making the move there away from
the lane not something that we've seen a lot
doing at all. And we did have to mention something too. I did want to say this
because Shadowdeam made it pretty far. This hero has been a first band first
pick of the tournament so we're gonna see what results that has to because this
hero just has like infinite potential in games. I've been with demonic purge, I've
been with saving targets, all of his toolkits just feels incredible and in
this game in particular, there's some pretty clear purge targets,
some pretty clear cleanse targets that he can protect his allies with
versus change, fire spirits.
definitely has. And I guess that's because the interesting thing there as well is because it's such an
obviously strong hero that we've seen being respected in the majority of drafts and matches that
we've had so far that the only reason why it would be left through right is because
Navi believe that they've got ways to play against it. It's got to be just like it's I mean
most of the job is going to be Zayac. As Zayac and Niku they've got to be the hunters
catching the backline causing chaos making sure this tofu can't play the game but it
But it can be a bit difficult. I've seen these Shadow Demons either be very tanky, but very sneaky and he's gonna have Aura's so they have to factor that in.
Niko's doing pretty good by the way. Watching those firsts goes a couple of waves.
He was doing pretty good in terms of last hits on those. Very close.
Yeah, it was, yeah, getting quite a few denies and actually against Nisha.
You can only imagine that it's probably going to get harder and harder as the levels come in.
The Razor gets stronger in the matchup.
Niko's gonna end up taking more damage, losing more right click damage to the Link.
See top lane is over in trouble.
That's a PMA able to get the kill as he's caught out just outside of the lane.
So now if you're getting themselves their first kill on the board.
This is a fun lane to watch. I like PMA on his Phoenix quite a bit too.
I think they strayed away from it for quite a few days if I'm not mistaken.
I actually didn't get to see all of the games yesterday, don't believe me.
So it's been some days since he did play, but I do like when they play this style.
Goes for that bearing build that we've seen a lot of times. Sheva's very valuable.
bottom lane. They can get the glimpse back but the snow ball safe. But the juice can he still get
in range? He's not going to quite be able to there without good snow ball save from Voxy. Obviously
something they will always have to try and stop that sort of move which is very important right.
You get glimpse back into a couple of raises. It could set up for easy kills for the safe lane SF.
So a lot of focus is going to be on Voxy to be ready to make that counter play anytime
and got the juice and Riddies go for that.
And in the game, right, we were talking about it,
us like when this draft was going on,
but they have Shadow Demon in touch versus Glimpse,
so they will have two different ways to bail each other out
in terms of either laning phase or in the mid game.
Riddies going for it again.
Foxy.
So if you can get into this,
now she's gonna turn aggressively with a snowball
straight onto got the juice and get a raise out.
Can he bring down Ace first?
He can't.
Oh, Ace will survive a little longer.
Does still die to Riddies,
but survive long enough to get the kill,
get the XP, killing off got the juice,
back over in the mid.
We were seeing a Niku who's playing aggressive under the tower, he's doing a pretty good job with it honestly.
Getting a lot of pressure on Tanisha, getting him low, but was ultimately playing with fire in the least of this case.
Electricity, Nish is able to turn, run him down and get that kill. It's one of those super dangerous lanes, right?
Niku's trying to push it to the limit. It cost him his life there.
It does, and I mean we hear Quinn talk about that all the time when he plays versus Niku, right?
Niku sometimes just does have a little bit of these random deaths where he pushes the limit a bit too hard.
got the juice, they're very nicely chasing him down there, catching him just on the edge of that long distance raise, so
obviously they get taken down in that lane, they're starting to kind of get the action going down here, get some of the kills going the way of the SF
so he got the juice despite dying, he's going to be pretty happy, farm still good, he's matching that with the farmers of Mickey on the other side of the map
Both of them very similar CS.
Seen MIRTP coming in from the ZIATS.
He does have a mango and he's gonna get the toss onto Niku closing the gap.
He's gonna change, but Niku's very, very low.
Oh, God.
Well, that was a risky toss there.
You know, that was nearly one of the tiny airlines going wrong.
Uh, he does live, he does get out so you can see what they were trying to do.
But all that, you know, it's not just Niku apparently who likes to take the risks around the mid lanes.
He's, uh, his supports like to help him take the risks as well.
He gets away with it this time, but that was a bit close.
He shows really bullying now now that he's three and two
Two points in that static link Niku's having difficulty dealing with it. That was 71 bonus damage
I don't think the tiny sod at first is totally not. It's trying for like a solo play. That's quite a bit of mana used
So I just want to walk back to base get the refueled TP's gonna be coming in for the try from Riddies
They couldn't do it with Zions. Maybe they could do it here with Riddies
They certainly can't Thunder Strike you do quick glimps back. I mean these sort of moves very important for Navi, right?
You got to be bringing this backup allowing you to get the chance to get kills
could be in trouble here. Tofu is around, Skrubble's coming in, so Liquid in return. They bring both of their supports
and will manage to punish Niku after Na'Vi were able to make that initial move to take Nisha down.
So we're seeing that focus around the mid. It's kicking off as we'd hoped for it to be, and it's coming up now
to that first power rune. We'll see if both teams keep the supports around, and who's going to be able to get
their hands on it. At the moment Liquid's got the numbers, still Nisha backed up by both supports here
for the six minute rune spawn.
Hard to contest the SD Tusk. These are just a bit too strong around that one.
See if Ruiz can maybe even go for a deny on it. No, they can't so Nisha, he'll get that one.
He's 6 now too, so Eye of the Storm is ready. Looks like he wants to be active with it. He is seen by the Ward.
Looks like that'll get de-warded.
Pretty soon. Ruiz?
Nisha just want to settle for Ruiz or does he want to try and go for the lane and see if he can catch up, got the juice.
Ruiz here now. Let me get the quick glimpse onto him.
I should keep him safe, I mean, I don't know if with the shards like that they should be able to get him boxy.
Make sure that he still gets the catch on already, his TP's are coming in.
He just wants to finish up the kill, but won't be able to dive to the tower, and now he's taking huge damage indeed from the razors coming up and got the juice.
Nisha, he wants to swing back and he's refueling up here with the bottle, look at the Rue onto got the juice.
The razors don't come front, so he needs to be able to take Nisha down.
He dies at the end of it all, but Liquid make took a lot of damage for this aggressive move, and now Xayah's coming across.
Now, pick up the kill against Ace as well.
Boxy's got a run.
It's a bit of a hectic play there from Liquid to get the kills.
And they might still lose Boxy, as Zayac's.
He's not really got mana to play of anything.
Riddies, he's only really got a glimpse to use.
That might be enough though.
Snowball is going to be coming out from Boxy and the shards.
Nicely done. He's blocking them off on the high ground.
TP is coming in. I forgot the juice.
So he actually might be aligned up the raises.
And he will. A couple of hits in a raise.
Got the juice. He's more than happy.
that he supports didn't kill boxy off because as he comes back into lane he gets to pick up another kill as the SF
I mean we're seeing so far in a liquid
They're trying to bring the action a very aggressive move there for Nisha to come and look to the use this invisible
Invisibility rune it kind of comes back to bite them. Nisha ends up dying for that play
This is a really interesting kind of sequence of things that happened to PMA dies top
So immediately they start running for the wisdom and I think Niko Niko was actually recovering in terms of farm in mid
because Nisha left, but I think his team made the call.
Niku, we need you to go steal the wisdom,
because otherwise we're gonna lose both the wisdoms.
So he kinda, even though he could have probably
recovered more on that worth there,
he actually sacked the net worth
to go get the wisdom for his allies.
So he did recover slightly,
but he could have recovered more on that worth,
but yeah, you know, that's what you gotta do for a team.
Riddies.
Trying to keep Zyatt safe and all that.
See if they can get the snowball in it in.
They're gonna be fine in Na'Vi.
Na'Vi come back away.
Lick will can't quite get the grab on them.
I'll be able to keep the Zion safe.
Now the tiny to walk back over to the tier one here to stay safe around mid.
No one wants to, they bought, this is how both teams like to play.
It's, I mean, Quinn's had a lot to talk about this tour because it's a CY thing, right?
There's this gaming gladiators versus liquid year of meta where it was sitting in mid around the two mids.
So both teams are kind of doing that similar thing right now.
Sharing the experience, Riddies, very close to having the six.
This is going to be an early disruption level six.
This could catch Liquid off guard if he's able to finish it off here.
Very close. I'm surprised they didn't give him a creeper tomb war.
Now, what's all the...
...excepts...
...what's been happening elsewhere?
I mean, Mickey's kind of been left with a lot of space top, but...
...as we're seeing, just the fact that there's been so much involvement forgot the juice that...
...even with the Deaths, the kills are out...
...absolutely outweighing what he's losing with each of the Deaths.
He's top of the net worth right now on the carry SF.
very happy to sort of be down here and be involved in the action which it just
goes to show really how mobile navi supports have been making sure that
they're not only been able to just sit around the mid but also managed to still
connect with the carry on the plane when needed
Mika's got them in the mid
let's go for remnant now, can't continue the course for the kill
I wanted to point out Mika's skill build this is actually pretty interesting they
might actually go for a glimpse play bottom slash hesitate for a second
here let's take care but yeah he maxed power shot I think it's because he's
playing brista phoenix even though he's tangled he can't actually get the attack
so he wants that big nuke damage so he makes sense to me usually you see 404
absolutely especially when you're going carry and you're taking
tangled yes so definitely a different approach probably about that lane I
think it is more about just helping the lane and then afterwards you'll have
the points for tangled for the movements so bit of an interesting
adaptation yeah definitely also yeah just let you push the lane up a
easy right when you know your supports are kind of probably sets you you know
sorry mckay we've got we've got problems elsewhere we're gonna be hanging
around the mid lane making moves down bottom we don't want to be up here on
the safe lane you know you're gonna be completely soloing he's able to handle
that situation with this build. Zayac? Shackle it. Yeah he is here to try and
help out but Focus Fires in Zayac doesn't sound a chance that Focus
Fire and Tag Team combo. Yeah he's gonna attempt to run down boxy
Niku's got the chains, Tophu, that's disruption to buy some safety for Boxy, so let the shots
and the snowballing up, Boxy's making them work for it, Niku's not going to be able to
continue to run him down, yeah, just between the turrets and the supports.
Saves upon saves, ends up just being a bit of wasted time unfortunately for Narvi.
These saves are always going to be a problem, there's a reason, as we said, Shadow Demon's
banned or picked in the first every single time, just the power that this hero can
do, just a disruption.
I mean, of course, boxy with some six shards. We've seen him do a couple times here.
Navi, getting the pressure on top though, playing around, got the juice, as you said, top net worth on the SSF.
They've got the static storm ready, so...
Liquid, if they're not properly set up, they can't actually go for this defense.
They also are always going to have glimpse versus the fiendscape, so...
We'll see how Liquid wants to be able to set up the defenses. The tusk is coming.
Yeah, they're coming in. But it has been hit by the scans, so Navi, no.
But these sort of TPs are coming in.
got the juice he wants to push to finish the tab and now the fortification comes out they
get the chance on the water he's going to go to the requiem, actually be a bit of a toss
to the side gets him into a bit of a favourable position as they're actually having to just
kill off Boxy without the requiem just to sort of the right clicks alone they get
the tower and are they now they can try and push on for more liquid of course we're
able to kites out the supernova coming in from PMA it works you know it did look
a bit it's a lot of the requiem being interrupted but well not the requiem you know as I
It says no you don't need to use that yet son. We are keep that safe for the next five
He had the right idea. They're gonna kill. Yeah, as I it's like I my guy's stuck in shards
I want to toss him out there is a lot and an egg and everything on top
But either way he's thinking about just saving his buddy liquid. They kind of reacted but I could tell I think Nisha was like
I'm not going Nisha was just hitting creeps so sure maybe there's an attempted defense
And then they realized there was just no way when they know they can get glimpsed
Yeah, in terms of builds right you were talking earlier about some power of a
to be able to do that. It's
going to be a very, very
inevitable pipe on liquid line
up. The same to be said right
for the BKB is and that's why
we're getting one new shirt
going for this BKB rush straight
up on the razor. Once he has
that. Other than the SF. He's
going to be pretty much
indestructible right? Yeah, I
mean, when you're playing
versus when you have less
teamfight than the opposing
team. If you want to rush
tofu not anywhere close by to sort of bail in that situation so the kill to be
found by Navi, okay he's gonna get PMA in return and there's nobody coming to
punish him so okay again throughout this all only the one death he's getting
the chance for these kills he's living a pretty quiet life really on the top
lane but he's happy with it he's happy. They are not quite keeping up
there with the farmer I've got the juice just because the overall objectives
they've been able to take. You know we're seeing Na'Vi already pushing down the tier ones. Maybe
I'm finding Choscona. Ace is pretty tanky with the Vanguard and the Cloak. Some of the TPs coming
in Na'Vi will quickly back away. I'm trying to go in for that one. But yeah, Na'Vi are enabling
this SF pretty good right now. Got the juices in some pretty impressive timings.
Yeah, and I think like we were mentioning right, Na'Vi overall, I think they want to be the
ones dictating the pace. Liquid strapped for a bit more slow-paced waiting for these Auras,
waiting for those BKBs to counteract this heavy team fight, the ag, etc. So I like the way
Another way Navi's playing, all three tier ones have been claimed, Liquid has not really
touched too much of the tier ones and they're keeping a suppressive play style.
So looking for these moves, placing aggressive wards, looking for the catches, but Liquid,
they're not getting as caught.
They are sitting back, they're getting ready, waiting for these DKBs for Nisha in particular
to rally around.
See his approach works, got the juice, as you said, he's continuing to be very,
very large in this game.
Yeah, I really guess he's probably close to the point where he I mean, you know, what do they look for next?
Tier 2's this early is that is that sort of on the menu or at this store stage when you come to the 15-minute mark?
Is it very much a let's wait till the 20 minutes get the Tormentor get the Roshan and then we'll look to take our lead to the next stage
Yeah, I think that's pretty much it wait to fight around your cooldowns play around your cooldowns as best as possible
Versus liquid's lack of big team fight qualms and play to the number advantage
You know that Glade Liquid's gonna fight, he's trying to fiendsgate port, bring this extra number.
If you have the numbers there, you glimpse that target out. It's gonna take him a couple seconds to come back.
So Navi still continue to play as this unit, four heroes in the top jungle.
Zayac is away from them, but they're still... Riddies is aggressive at playing.
Trouble's gonna be coming in on some Riddies. He'll immediately time lay down the kinetic field in the static storm.
But if you try to come in from the side, they'll use the supernova.
He could take it down. Nisha's looking to kill the Adolf. They'll be able to bring it down successfully.
Niko hit him. Oh, that's pretty big break. He got the deny. That was cute. That was really cute. He's dead though. Wait. Okay, one second. I need to watch that because there was some fear.
If he didn't deny it, would it have actually been successful? I think it probably would have got to that one hit left, but the round wheel shot him at the same time.
Dude, there's no way it's here.
During the sampler.
Wait a minute.
Yeah.
Watch the requiem.
Watch the fear.
I'm watching, I'm watching, I'm watching.
I'm watching, I'm watching, I'm watching.
Nah, Nisha would have hit it.
Nisha would have hit it.
Nisha would have hit it.
Nisha would have hit it.
He would have hit it.
So, you know, Nekiri, they would have sort of limit what like we get a little bit there
by getting the deny the supernova.
Sure.
And he didn't grief because the supernova would have been killed anyway.
Fair enough.
Still not a great fight for Navi though.
They lose big kills at the end of that.
I think Rudy's camping the front line.
side
Toss on a boxy I still have a snowball though
Nico on top of him. He's not running away from this one. Surely not have lunch gets him boxy will fall
That was okay, so yeah, Navi I like how they're playing oppressively and all it
But I think ladies has to be a bit more careful with this positioning disruptor does a little too much, right?
Yeah, yeah, just a bit too far forward. It's it's because they didn't have the tiny I think so PMA
they're trying to get information but they don't have their actual you know
walk-up initiator on the tiny so it got a little awkward sorry Nico I didn't mean
to do you injustice I think if you raise it was offside for me but it was it
did if he was a bit it was very much worth looking at right because that could
have been could have been a little awkward but now Nico he assessed the
situation he knew it was safe to take his teammate down get that tonight
take his teammate down you know sometimes I mean it's something about
You don't actually get like the obviously exclamation right when it's a supernova
But if there's any time one of your teammates has got one of those
Exclamations over the head you have to hit them. You don't even have to think about it
It's just from a boost in morale and everyone finds it funny when the teammate denies
Well, at least that's what I believe when I went on mute them. Anyway, put him away
Try to poke BKB that's what those super players are for you're trying to force BKB
So maybe you can go for a play after Vinicius being patient liquid is getting these timings
So items they're starting to rack in pipe almost done for ace me only for the win ranger and the BKB for the razor
Yeah, not be have to be very ready for this next fight. I might catch tofu here. Yeah, let's open static storm
And he's just gonna be here at the side of trying how far the blimpses there getting tofu back in towards the static storm
They get the kill not be probably in the best interest to back away now that the time's been there for the rest of liquid to
Turn up look at it the road shot
In RV the kill anytime you get a kill with SF you get that presence you have opportunity to go for this threat
I think they can
Hello, let this ask you respawn. I think they can contest on liquid
I was gonna say I think liquid was gonna want to they've just picked up the pipe on ace. Oh DD
That's fortunate forgot that that might that might actually change sort of the situation here
Still I think liquid's gonna turn up
I'm gonna they're surely gonna want to I said they got ace with the pipe
He's got the fiends gate ready to join them
They are going to have to do it sooner, Liquid.
Where's Shampooing?
Scouting for the situation.
Nisha's ready to kind of come in from the sidelines.
Got the juice. You want to finish it off.
Use the rest of your car, push it back.
You'll get the kill. They'll pick up the edges.
Nisha, pop the BKB.
We'll look to take out the supernova.
They'll be able to kill it.
Can he get away? They'll glimpse on towards Nisha.
Caught by the chains.
But it's absolutely...
Got the juice. He's going to try and TP out.
lose everybody for that fogged on Navi it was so close there to it working out
they get the kill they use the recommend the super of the end to try and
secure the situation but it wasn't enough it wasn't enough liquid turn up
they're ready to take these fights and the underlord timing a row Shannon ages
for nothing at the end of the day they get seen white fog they said again I
think like right before the fight yeah I think you get the pipe jumps in
barriers everyone and it just stops look at look they all have that extra
little blue barrier and it protects all of them that pipe is just giving so much
extra protection the egg I think he missed one attack on Nisha on it but that
ends up getting that last one he completely focused in himself just the
razor killed the egg
that was just very good target priority in the team fight the angle that Nisha
comes in I think called them off guard it was I think I think he actually
missed like three hits on the egg was it three I think he I thought he switched
targets but you might be right yeah because I think the ace was the one
I'm gonna kind of save the dating. I should came in with the last melee hit to kill it.
It definitely started to look like maybe that Supernova was gonna be successful, but of course it wasn't.
And maybe even if it was at that point, the fight still went with the two hop and the RV.
I mean, they had the right read to try and push for the Roche. Yeah, we'll see it again.
Look, let's see how many misses he gets.
I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw.
Is this one that one? Oh no, never mind he hit that one.
It's now I think, oh no, never mind he hit that one as well.
That one he misses.
That hit SF.
Okay, then he hit the SF. I think the answer is right.
Then he's, yeah. Okay, so just one. You're right.
But yeah, good approach from Asia. This BKB is massively paying off as we see he's just he's the one that just kills the egg
He's just BKB's commits kills the egg. No one else worries about it
It is level 2 egg now with Shiba, so maybe that's gonna add an extra element that he might not be able to but that was a pretty commanding
Fight win for liquid around that you've made ember now Niku
They got Phoenicia
What's the solid avalanche post back, but it's still not quite enough the BKB is off from Nisha backup comes in
Zayac is going to get run down by the Razor.
Snowball coming in over to War 3.
He's going to drop down the static storm.
Go for the TP out.
And I tell you what, there's nothing to stop that.
So he'll get out of there.
Same move he's set for Got the Juice.
Also goes for the BKB TP to Navi.
They'll have to make sure that they only lose the Tiny.
But still, obviously, it's just these team fights, these trades.
Liquid are coming out on top.
5K lead now for the team.
Further aura is coming into play.
Crimson Guard's now done for ace.
They're getting the BKBs as for the Blinks online.
Online box is gonna have his blink coming out in the courier so the saves are gonna be even more substantial from liquid
It it does feel like it's gonna start getting harder and harder for Navi now at this point
Yeah, I mean we I had a big worry around the pipe timing. I looked at their lineup
And I'm like my goodness. This is all magic damage SF takes some time to rank up ramp up in it and physical
I think the the itemization from liquid is just on point here the razor rushing BKB of course the pipe
Now they have crimson also the atrophy aura is gonna reduce a ton of the damage to
These fights are very hard for Navi to approach now at this point. Niku has been completely shut down.
Same thing for PMA. It really is just got the juicers the world down.
So much of that damage being negated is a problem.
Yeah, I'm going to go for some of the backup plans here. PMA looking for the Midas.
He's got that queued up now as the Phoenix.
Some heroes, some carries right. You're kind of okay with it being a 4x1,
But SF it's not really the one of the ones that's at the top of the list right that you kind of feel all right
Being just that one scaling presence on the team
It's a little risky right when it falls down to just the SF alone to
Carry the game onwards to the later portions
Yeah, if you had like if it was an SF with let's say like a Mars as the offender instead of the Phoenix
Well, they have that hard lockdown big team fight control
Then maybe I can be a little more happy with the for protect one, but with this one
He's playing versus the razor link. He's playing versus the tusk punch. He's playing pushes a shadow demon
demonic cleanse. A lot of these abilities are like the like just completely shut down when you are playing a
four protect one. You just purge the SF. You purge the SF. It's gonna make it really hard for God to juice.
So he needs this Daedalus. He needs every single item that he can get. Because yeah, his work is cut
out for a person. Liquid's just very strong group up.
And I've been very good at this liquid in the kind of the previous series, previous games that we've
the main stage. Just kind of knowing when to react right, when to wait and when to hit the creeps and
then when to be like alright you know we've got everything to beat them in a 5v5 now we're going
to turn up for them every single time that the enemy tries to run into them. You know this is
sort of liquid now in their element and getting to play the game at a pace that has been very
successful for them so far in the series that we've seen from the last few days.
pretty much since that top play happened right it's all started to quickly swing
liquid is already just there are fine right there's still even Navi really
wanted to press the issue forward here now it's yeah the question of what's
your recovery outlet since the SF needs the crit he's the only one who's really
gonna get that much stronger in these next few moments Niku Niku will also but
I think PMA the Phoenix's game is gonna get pretty damn difficult because
he's got his timings right he's got she was at a pretty okay time but so he
saw that matter. He did, but he's pretty much going to be as she was in a supernova in the
team fights. With all the BKBs and magic resistance from the pipes. The effects just going to be
about the kind of the slows and the stun through the BKB with the supernova. If he
can get off successfully, and obviously as we've seen the last few times, Liquid, they
don't have troubles prioritizing the team, you know, just focusing down the egg,
making sure they get the kill on it. It's going to be even easier now that Mikke's
got his BKB so he'll be able to just look towards taking that down uninterrupted by any
sort of attack speed slows. And they're actually ready to just get aggressive now with the smoke
liquid. They're not afraid to start making the moves themselves now with the lead that
they managed to build up. They can fiendscape, they can bring 5 so it's not a 3-man gank.
They can quickly be on top of that juicer. And look who they found! It's Nier! It's
the big target! They get the setup, look at the BKB off! He'll try for Reckman,
but he's not... Oh! How's he gonna be able to get it off but it doesn't matter.
He's dead. PMA's caught in the root. I mean, it's the perfect line right. They find the SF.
They jump him. He gets his BKB off. He gets his Requiem off. It doesn't matter if he's
still dead.
The stability of Liquid, you're just seeing it. Navi, it's a hard, it's an uphill battle
for them of course for split but now you're starting to see the Liquid, the timings, right?
We said it might be a little slow in terms of early game but as soon as they get those
timings hit, how does Navi break it? And I was dying in the middle of it.
They're gonna be able to find.
Watch it with the setup. Make it with the follow-up.
Navi, how are they gonna slow this down now?
How do they sort of get themselves out of this top situation?
Starting a fall behind.
It's hard to see how they can make the moves around,
since every time that they're respawning now even,
this fiends gate's gonna be back up too,
so they can always just bring the numbers,
identifying exactly how to take control of the map now, it feels.
It's got to be tossback plays, right?
It's got to just be trying to look for some repositioning either with glimpse and tossbacks,
but Liquid's just on top of the aggression.
And just sort of a similar situation as we're seeing here, you know, yesterday and in other
games, right, where Liquid, all their three cores get to farm right.
These three cores becoming three carries
It was really the same situation with a game pre against OG yesterday where OG just had
One carry. It's the same case here obviously yesterday that game did go like 80 minutes. It was pretty crazy
Obviously, I would you didn't manage to make the comeback make the turnaround, but it's still a very fun one to watch
I just again being an SF that sort of the one standing there on his own compared to like the gyro in a similar situation yesterday
It really isn't it really is and he's so many more items to be able to be that kind of super scary
Hyper carry as you see he's got queued up like the MKB the Daedalus the satanic and honestly kind of needs a final way to make those
Three items exist
Otherwise, it's it's gonna be just far too much for got the juice from the SF to stand up against these three carries of liquid alone
Yeah, at least the crit and the MKB. I mean this attack. I'm sure but like yeah
He needs every little thing he can get but look the lead just continues to grow liquid starting to get
pretty much anything they want on the map making moves looks like they're going
through portal they're smoked up there's a ward there but it seems like they know
liquid knows where Navi is without vision themselves
already getting out of here yeah does not want to stick around a moment too
long okay so back of plans that's what we have to talk about right for now I
think back of plans now set to come did Riddies get greedy on his neutral
item no unfortunate maybe I'll get the next one but the next one is it's the
agonies right I think that's probably the biggest game changing thing that can
happen it can do a lot they really can really really can up here man you know he
actually locked back in you know he didn't sort of zone out and go for the
Midas he's like you know what we still got a chance now cool that for stuff go
for the Lotus he's like you know what if I can't be the off-laner because of
the you know the fact that he's falling behind he wants to be that
additional support just go all in on being able to save and protect the SF you
know he's a team player here
I mean we'll see if it works catch underlord has the agonims that did
actually not connect right Niku's fine the ace club has another insane item that
makes Niku's life even more difficult and Niku's already had a really tough
game now he has this underlord agonims plus a pit there's so much
control for him. Catch. I'll be able to find something here, Navi. That would prefer to
then come in him with Reddies. It glimmers back. It's a kill. Liquid is coming to counteract
though. Are they going to be Reddies? Navi? I mean they're sticking around, Navi. This
is risk. He got the juice! He's caught by the shackle! Oh! Well, got the risk.
Yeah, I guess they really felt the liquid didn't care about Tofu going down, they did.
They were running straight over to make sure they got something in return.
Yeah, they're more than happy with Tofu sort of falling in that situation.
Paisloff massively, and Navi just caught off guard there a little bit.
They were not ready for that. They had to get out of there as soon as they got that kill fault and they did not.
Uh-oh, Niko.
The roof set up, another snowball in the punch.
Oh that shack, oh that's a nasty one there for Mckay. That's a nasty one.
Oh it's getting out of hand fogged. It's getting a little bit of hand mid lane.
And Riddice. And this guy doesn't want to peek to B.
But Riddice, oh with the blink maybe. Maybe not, but Boxy's coming in with the
wrap round to the side. Mckay's having a scat on the power shot and the trees.
Riddice will be dead as well. Liquid, they're starting to play with their food
little bit now Liquid they're having some fun and Navi not having a lot of fun at
toe now. No and how fast did all of that accelerate right? Like we said that top fight
but Reeves just a little bit too far forward to deny the run egg they back
up they go for the roast point Liquid it from there it's just been smooth sailing
buying a gem to control the vision and now Roche they got that finished up.
Liquid just especially at this tournament man they've found their stride in
terms of hitting these timings and not really letting going them too
often yes yesterday we said it went to 80 minutes but they kept themselves in
that pretty command position on throwing things away
other steps of my thing you know Nisha he's he's been having a great time and
part of that has been because they've been able to set him up very nicely in
the drafts right yesterday we saw it in these situations where they're constantly
able to secure him all the man to be all that sort of the way they fell for
it they fell for it they fell for it but they're talking to the police
They've still got the ult, so nothing too crazy, expending on it.
I mean, Nisha, getting all these high mobility errors in the other games,
and then this game, a bit of a different approach,
but that sort of situation where he's able to make a call at the end of the draft,
that he wants to take the raise mid,
because he knows that he's going to have this matchup where he's going to do pretty well.
And Niku gave it his best shot, but there's only so much of a shot you can give it
against a Razor in the lane when you're playing something like an Ember.
And overall, Nisha in this game, he didn't really have to be the one making the moves, right?
It was a shadow demon in the tusk setting up and making ult.
Nisha just hit creeps this game, I gotta be honest, yes he had some good rotation moves, but Nisha's 330 last hits at 30 minutes.
Yeah, he's gonna be again, just sort of...
A tried and tested three carry situation that Liquid's been getting away with, and the one carry on Na'Vi at the moment is just getting punished over and over again, got the juice dead for a minute.
Oh, Riddies did not get greedy by the way, so I don't know if the Heartbeautiful has
ever pointed that out, but he did not get the greedy neutral token, so that Aghanim's
is going to take a hell of a lot longer.
It feels like it's one of the only, I mean, it's a very big reach anyway, but it's probably
one of their only win conditions to come back in this one with the way the liquid's
playing.
Sure.
I mean, because you're right.
If they get like a 5-man, Aghanim's static storm kinetic field, and there's supernova
into a Requiem, and a maybe.
Maybe!
I still have enough of their damage, but still, this...
Maybe!
Liquid!
I'm so tanky, but I honestly, Liquid's heroes are so durable at this point, with the pipes, the crims, and 3500 on Razor.
Everyone unbelievably durable, even if Navi gets the combo connection.
Yeah.
And one of those, um...
One of the heroes that we did obviously see create...
You know, some sort of counter play to what Navi was trying to do in the mid-game, was very much this Shadow Demon that Tofu got,
Which kind of raises the question of are we gonna see that hero get through the draft till like fourth pick again this series
SD and tusk, I don't think you can I don't think you give living both of these they feel
It's the two best saves in the game right now and there's matter
Yeah, and they're also incredibly aggressive and their anti carry heroes
That's the other thing too is they both have like BKB piercing ultimates that kind of just lock down the enemy
Sure one's not a stunt, but it just holds him in place and eventually will break him if you want to
The liquid with the way that they played around it is really the highlight, right?
The way that they moved around, allowed Ace to get those timings and then picked and choose...
picked the right battle pretty much.
They just decisively win this one.
There's Andavi.
It's such limited hope for them.
They're having difficulty stepping outside and getting juice or anything now.
MKB, I think, is done.
Okay, let's see what they can do with it.
As I said, there's still no agonims on the shrub towel.
12 under Gold off and the push is coming in from Liquid.
They're gonna try.
Get the toss back.
It wasn't Mikkei, Mikkei.
He's taking some big hits here of course from the SF.
Not enough to kill him though.
But get away, the Glitz is gonna be attempted for the disruptions then.
Of course even if they did catch him, still has that Aegis.
They will catch him now.
He's jump forward to the Remnant.
The Aegis is there.
He's gonna be back for round two.
Look at the punch up on Taneq.
He's gonna be careful as he's getting his students to become into an end size.
We'll come over to the Abilene toss back into the Reckrim.
The burst date down to about half HP, but they have nothing else to throw at him.
The supernova goes off successfully, but it just had to be a defensive one as he'll back off here, PMA.
Niku sitting a jump still underneath the tower. He's been caught. He's dead with our fireback.
And Nisha's ready to start charging him beyond the tear force. It's over. They'll tap out.
Gigi is called. Liquid take this game one.
As Navi, they just couldn't get the strategy going for it.
They tried to force it a little bit too much in the mid game and that really was when it started a crumble and liquid
They got to take this the rest of the game out pretty relaxed in fashion, right?
Yeah liquid they've got to do this quite a few times it a blast slam six once the game is in their hands
They don't let it go
It's really don't I rallied around the aura's the aura's the aura's not me
Maybe have to come back in with a different plan. They were making some good moves
They were making some good aggressive stuff
but the inevitable aura thing did feel like it was coming into play.
So let's see if there's going to be some small adjustments made,
maybe having PMA play something different,
perhaps just to match that versus this Liquid play style.
We'll have to see what the adaptation is for the upcoming games.
Absolutely.
I mean, we definitely know, especially after Navi's crazy series yesterday,
that they can offer us a lot more than what they brought here in this game once.
So looking forward to how they step it up,
because they're going to need to, as for now, Liquid coming out quite clearly on top.
They take the first game.
Those players are going to have their time to make adjustments and while they do we're going to talk about everything that happened in this game
Wanda for our grand finals because Navi they were off to a good start
We could have seen this game go very differently, but ultimately you get the one item on either
Quit is literally rolling these eyes by the way the camera cut away, but the high roll is there
I mean, I just think Navi they need to they need to either have matching or us or they need to not play against
specifically Underlord, because I think this team is just not clean enough in their early game,
their moves, they have the right spirit. I think they're making moves, they're trying to speed up
the game, but it's not quite clean enough, it's not quite fast enough. So eventually the Auras come
online and you just, it's just too hard. And so I think they need to fix that for next game.
But already you can see at the network right, it's like Shadowfiend up top and the rest of
Na'Vi just below the cause of Liquid. And that's not the type of game you want to see
from Na'Vi, when you pick a Phoenix in the off-lane, when you have aggressive support
through the shofter entirely like you need to be playing into the map finding these kills like
just making moves happen and if you're already looking at like a 15 minute mark shutter theme
by himself you're kind of opening up liquid to utilize their kind of wind rangers and razors
and heroes i want to lock onto one dude just to kill him off it it was just uncomfortable i think
tsunami i mean i can definitely see this draft work because they i was they played pretty well
of course they can you know they could have done even better but it's again like around
this mid game you know they mess up like a very crucial roll shunt fight where you know if they
they get that Aegis, they can keep playing fast and making it happen.
I think Niko on the Ember, also like he's early to mid-game, was very, very good.
But I will agree, maybe if you do take out the Underlord, you know, who does it time and time again,
he's a good laner, Ace plays it so, so well.
They get those Orcs and eventually it's just then like hard to continue playing the game.
So that's something you can consider.
But when it comes to like the drafts overall and the gameplay,
I don't think Naviard like that far away when it comes to like the skill on the matchup.
It's just like the one shot call, I guess.
Like, when you showed the clips of taking the towers yesterday,
going for the Roche, and like, it feels like there's like that one moment
which they always seem to fully agree to,
and then it kind of breaks their game.
Like whoever's making that one call,
if they just tone down their energy a little bit,
then I feel like they're going to be having
really competitive games throughout this entire series.
Now, I mean, I agree on the energy thing.
I think there are definitely some moments that are a bit frantic.
There's the fight that they lose by that, the hill,
and then there's this Roche on that you talked about,
that I think these are, these are two bigger moments.
There's like sort of a basic principle in Dota that if the enemies can test and roast,
you do not hit it.
Yeah, you take the fight first and you kill it afterward and it's something that everyone knows and everyone abides by and they kind of break this rule and
It owns them like this happens so often. Yeah, this is the Russian fight you guys are talking about
It's full first roast at the power shot that comes in before this one as well
So like there's more than enough information from liquid to know when to engage
And we've been critiquing teams a lot throughout this playoffs about how they want to test Russian
Right because in this instance liquid like you mentioned they're using the spells for a distance
understanding the HP of the Roshan, knowing how they want to go in, Razor of course goes
and utilizes BKB on the side to refresh from the egg the entire time, and the rest of Liquid go
from the right-hand side. But I think from Navi's perspective, to maybe give them reason why,
they want to do the play of the 90-minute Roshan, whilst it's on the top side of the map. They
want to take that quick Roshan, then move to Tlementa, and break Liquid through this
double timing of two massive objectives. We've been seeing teams move towards
pre-20-minute Roshan a lot more, not allowing for the trade of one team gets Tlementa,
one team gets Roche and but the problem for Navi is like they just didn't execute clean it up they
didn't respect Liquid being ready for it. I mean also they're just they're putting themselves on the
timer right we talked about in the draft it's a big problem and they won't feel the need to do this
they won't feel the need to force this because if you get the game they're up 1k gold before this
rush happens like they had played very respectably till then we talk about liquid speed their
aggression their early game prowess none of that got to Navi I think Navi was the one in the
driver's seat for the majority of this early game up until that Roche they were the ones in
They kind of just threw it away a little bit.
So if you can still have that early game aggression,
dominate, you know, the early game, be the one making moves,
while also you have a backup plan that I think you're in amazing shape.
Like we can see here in Niko, he didn't make a nice smoke move down to bottom
after they've opened up the other tier ones.
They come down here and they get a free Tuss Kill and they open up the last tier one.
Like they've taken all three tier ones before Liquid has taken any.
Like that is an amazing start to the game.
You just got to have the draft integrity and also like he said,
the calmness and sort of the good, just chill energy
energy to actually carry that all the way through to the W?
I am slightly worried though for Na'Vi because even though you're present in this type of
aggression when you look at the net worth it's like the net worth isn't changing, liquid
is still scaling equally so sure they lose a couple heroes and they're losing tier 1s
but it's not a trade of R now, Liquid is also losing map control. They're farming,
losing a little bit of map conceding the ground when they get their items that's
when they break back into the game so I feel like maybe Na'Vi has even fallen into
a trap of like I guess Liquid just doesn't care. They just don't use TP's when
people die.
Yeah, I will say like Navi, I think they're doing the correct stuff to set themselves up like a better future.
And they're taking the three tier ones, they get themselves like a small lead.
But then because you guys say it's like about the one guy shot calling and I agree.
But I think then it's also like on the other four people, like you need to balance the call.
I think there's a big difference from one guy saying, let's go Roche, and like you all in it from 100 to 0.
Or one guy saying, okay, we're gonna go Roche, but if they come, we do this.
We're gonna back out, we're not gonna let the win range, like power shot for free.
And then we keep hitting.
I think it's like these small pivots that are super important.
And at the end of the day, it's game one of a BO5.
I think Ceiba is going to have a lot of good things to say.
Go into the next game, try to do it better.
Yes, you're doing the opposite advice.
Normally it's don't listen to that little voice in the back of your mind,
telling you not to go in, but you're like,
hey, Navi, be aware that that has something useful to say.
Yeah, you just got to be ready and you need to help each other out.
Like, again, it's super stressful.
It's like, you know, you're going to have your nurse playing with you.
Like some play might start, like it might start feeling bad.
You need to like allow the other people to chip in and like, you know, make it together.
Yeah, I mean, no, I think these calls very much are a yes and thing, like you either say, no, don't do this, we do this instead, or you say, yes, and then you say, I want to do this, and you build upon that, you don't just like let it hang as sort of like a call in a vacuum, because then people turn their brains off a little bit, like it's important that there's an overarching call, but everyone is playing different parts within that call, it's not this single focused attack, like you are doing the same thing, but you're doing little different things at the same time, and that is a very important distinction, so you're not all just like sitting looking at Roach as it dies.
I couldn't water any better.
That was it. It was on top.
Well, it feels like we've given, you know, there's a lot that Monavi can work on,
but that's not to be said that Liquid don't as well.
Of course, like, you know, Liquid came out with the win for this game one,
but they did concede quite a lot early.
And so now it's both sides.
For Monavi being able to ensure that when you take tier 1s, how you have that as an impact,
but on the side of Liquid, how they didn't let the fact that they didn't have tier 1s face them.
Liquid are just very, I think, composed when you look at them throughout this tournament, they understand what they need to play for.
And I think once they have openings to go for plays and go for kills around the map, they do that very, very nicely.
I think it's especially like, if you look at their mid game, especially how they're playing, how fast they are here,
there's two guys dead, they immediately smoke and they go up top.
You know, you have the unlit right here, Boxy comes of course through the gate and look at this perfectly timed.
It's like the layering of stuns and just understanding where you can be.
And just shortly after, you know, straight, from top to mid, you have ace pushing top, he can connect at any moment,
which is why this hero is so damn good.
Like his itemization of, you can fight me aura number one, you can fight me aura number two, and now he gets madplay from his agonins,
so they get the two free kills into the roge, and I think from here on out, we've talked about it,
Navi with how they draft and how they play, the mid game needs to be clean.
They need to hold that lead, keep it nice, and just keep going.
But also just to respect the fact that if you do have a mistake occur, right, you know Boxy, the type of player he is,
He's playing the heroes that can run through the map. Utilizing the twin gate, he's going to have a blink tag or some ability tool to keep finding the next hero.
So if you are to have one guy die, you instantly as a group go guys, get back to this hill, stand your ground on this hill or this ward.
That you cannot just be freely open on the map because if you lose one hero and then you start chain feeding, it's not like two, three minutes of the game that you are just bleeding gold to liquid.
Yeah, I mean I'll be also be totally honest. I think Navi was a little shaky this game. They're a little skittish.
There's some deaths that I'm like this death is a bit ridiculous like you're just sort of not thinking you're not focused on your hero positioning and those add up a lot.
I think that's a big reason why the Phoenix and Embar solo network is because of some whoopsie deaths.
Some moments where you're wasting time, you're not being efficient with yourself because you're sort of lost in the sauce of, oh it's a grand final, it's not just a normal best of five.
I think that affects you and I think this game won while it was promising.
I think it's honestly a better sign for Navi that it was as close as it was because I think I expected him to be shaking in game one.
I think that was almost an inevitability that they were not going to play quite well enough
And so I think they've hopefully gotten those nerves out of the way and for the rest of the games in the series
They can play a little bit cleaner
What do you guys think about Phoenix off-lane overall because in playoffs alone?
It hasn't done so well
We showed a couple days ago when Harold picked it up as well
And I know that you guys liked it when you saw it on paper both times
So why isn't this here necessarily coming to fruition of what it is meant to do?
I mean, I still think it's very good
And there was like a very easy like way that this here could have succeeded in this game
I do think he's more he's absolutely more volatile than other offlaners
And I think he changes the way that most teams will play right now around their offlaner
You know, he doesn't really initiate he has to play behind you
He wants to play on Sunray like a good positioning on the egg
I think it's definitely a harder hero to make work
But if I look at Navi and how they play I think it fits
But maybe you could factor in like does make it truly care with his hero pool about Phoenix
You know, maybe he doesn't so it's good for you, but is it that good against the opponents
I think that will be the other thing that I will try to factor in they're just too quiet with the Phoenix in this game
So it's not going to look very good, specifically, because I wasn't seeing constant maps the entire time through the Phoenix.
Like the Roach and the Clip that we had, like he's by himself on the left side raising BKB, it's like,
if you are picking Phoenix off lane, you need to keep playing through the Phoenix.
If you ever let him just sit back and farm, why are you picking the hero?
You're meant to be a killer hero that keeps progressing the map through just fight and skirmish
and overwhelming like vessels and spirits and cheevers.
Like, so again, I think Phoenix off lane can be good in this game.
It just wasn't.
Yeah, it's also a very high execution.
And I think doing that when you don't have a counterpick you don't have a specific purpose other than like the general theming of the draft
I think can be difficult for someone to actually play out
We've talked about it time and time again, but it remains true one of the biggest factors for these big series is ease of execution
It matters so much
It's been a concept in a little for a long time and it is still the case if it's just easier for you to play
That means the threshold for you to make mistakes you get more gimmies, you know
You whoopsie a little bit if not it makes some mistake at this rush
There's still only down 2k gold. If their draft is better then they're full chilling right?
But it's real they need to snowball that means when you make this one mistake it's curtains like one mistake
It's just it's just a hard threshold to play on. There's also like a couple of clutch moments
I would say like there's this top fight around to tier 2 where Nisha is about to get glimpse back
But you know maybe Navi didn't play fast enough or Nisha got one more CS and a different player in the same game because
He gets the BQB like in the middle of the fight suddenly
He doesn't get glimpse back that could be another fight that Navi can win
You know against a different mid player against a different team if you make one slightly different move
It is definitely like the smaller things that then lead up to it all but if I'm Navi, I wouldn't read too much into it
I think like Quinn said it's quite good that they showed us like a very promising early game
You just have to look after and how you can make it slightly more simple
Say it anybody self-tape
I feel I just feel that because Quinn and Kevlar they always get in all the good points
So is there any other good points to put out on the table either for Navi or the side of liquid?
Just make sure your off-layer doesn't die to like six right clicks in an ultimate versus the enemy off-layer dying to like
4,000 right clicks. So yeah, that's basically it. I want PMA to be a different hero. Put the Phoenix in the bin
Anything else?
There we go. I like it. It's much more simple than you know, like oh the Phoenix might have potential blah blah blah
But they're more important opinions to get here. It's from our casters
We're gonna check in with our own info. We haven't had our daily catch up with them
Oh, and how you feeling already game one of a grand finals done
Yeah, no, it was an impressive one to see definitely from our team liquids coming as hot as they were today
I was hoping for a little bit more from Navi
But I think I'm on the same sort of wavelength for some of you guys on the panel
I think you know if game one it was maybe gonna be a bit rough it was I think they can step it
I know they can step it up. We saw yesterday right in the series from Navi
It doesn't matter if they kind of have a slow start they can always come back and punch back harder
So I think this series is going to go somewhere pretty exciting and somewhere a little bit closer than that game one was at least
Yeah, is that a similar sentiment for you as well fog?
Yeah, I don't know
I'm just I'm worried I'm like I love Navi and like me and Owen have been casting them since like they literally started together like four
Years ago, whatever it was that they've been playing together. So I have a lot of hopes for them
I'm just so worried because
Like you need to do a lot of different things you need to have perhaps this better off-laner in terms of a quora things
But I also want Niku to get this better matchup.
I don't want him to be in a trade matchup.
I want him to be in an advantage matchup.
Like you can't give Nisha this kind of situation.
I feel like I've seen so many games in this tournament
where it's they give him like a trade matchup
and Nisha just wins the trade matchup
and comes out too far ahead.
So I want to see Niku on a winning matchup
and I want to see PMA probably on something different personally.
All right.
I love both the text you guys have given us.
Thank you so much.
Of course.
So we'll be hearing from you a little bit more
when we do get into those games.
But for now, we're going to say bye to Owen and Fogged.
and we're also, you're actually giving them the wave.
I like what they were saying a lot.
We're gonna go to a break as well
and on the other side, our grand final continues
with a game two.
My favorite Dota mode of all time was Sibs X-Cult.
I think it was the I8.
I was screaming at my scene.
My favorite moment from Dota,
it's collapsed for the last international
and he's scavery to the point thing.
MiGMA versus Alliance Omega League.
It was Miracle's 1v5 defense
using Arc Ward and yeah my favorite moment of DotEye is on OG, that old Gert and Bar-U-Bra
For me it's the second win of OG on TI, it was their redemption moment that it was not a fluke or anything
they can do it willy-nilly and it's with Liquid as well.
My favorite dot-2 moment was when Bendy found out about the fountain hook with Shen and basically won the game
My favorite moment is when OG wins the International.
When they say, SAAAAAAAN!
My favorite moment is between OG and TNC,
and the TNC dominated OG in Manila Major.
My favorite part was Friday when they knocked out the TI winners.
Welcome, right?
Yeah, welcome.
My favorite part was Liquid going to the finals, so I guess we're on the same page.
Oh, let's win.
of liquid for our finals here and getting to hear a little bit from the crowd, too,
and what their favorite Dota moments were, but what about you, brah, Quinn? What about
No, I think mine might be siloed a fall Boba's all that one. Oh, yeah, you've been saying that like three times a day
It's a different game though, but they're all legendary
I'm big LD fan all the old LD moments are just good. Get good at me peak. What UT?
Hmm thinking hard thinking I honestly, I mean Boston I kind of stole it as well with like the whole awkward and based on
That was like... I mean it's horrible.
Yeah, I mean, you can probably list like a million different Miracle Plays, right?
I mean, I like the... it's also TI.
Oh, I didn't ask.
Okay, I'm sorry about that.
I'm just joking.
But since you don't care and I don't care that you don't care, I'll just say it anyway.
Okay, also, yeah.
It's OGLGD when Jarex and Thompson defend the base.
Is it like Game 4 with the Shaker, Arc Warden?
That's a banger.
Or maybe it's Upper Finals?
Upper Finals.
That's a banger moment too.
I also completely forgot.
There was also the previous TI, the Matthew Liquid one, whereas I think it wasn't like the first one on one HP.
That was crazy.
That was a crazy one.
There's also the Liquid against VP at TI 8.
The upper bracket game 3, the one with Necrophos and Bloodseeker like in the like...
Oh, the VP?
It's because Necrophos was in it.
Yeah, it's like the hour long one.
That was the key.
That's the only reason.
I think that was even, that's like a 90 minute game.
It's like super long, especially I think games didn't go quite as long.
Back then at TI, that game was like some crazy wacko fest.
Yeah.
Um, too many to pick from.
Well then it should be easy to have one of them.
What do you think?
I don't know if I really do.
Just say honor.
Something about honor.
There you go.
Nah.
I don't think so.
I guess all the moments are just bad.
I'll be completely honest.
I do have this thing where I think there's an extremely cool moment that we see.
And you ask me two weeks later. I will have completely forgotten about it
The bank of Dodon does not stack up for me, which is very bad
So I'm similar very forgetful. It is the goldfish brain as we like it is the goldfish brain. Yeah
We do call KZ goldfish man backstage. Okay, so it's uncalled for
But true. He doesn't remember. That's right
He's living momentum
idiots
All right, well that was a little harsh because I'm gonna give the update to everyone at home by the way
You're seeing one of our players is not with a headset. That's because we're having some tech issues
It's a monitor issue by that man on your screen ace. I don't know what it did to his monitor
It's not working and that's why we don't have the drafts just at this moment
And while we're having a bit of a yip-yap about some of our favorite Dota modes
Do you have a favorite moment of this tournament? That might be easy for me to pick from
Yesterday. To me the most exciting moment was when the OG Liquid got the juice.
Got the juice all in ink to kill the throne.
Oh that was pretty good, yeah.
I mean the ending of the OG game was also pretty bonkers.
Are we going to be the 22nd as well?
Yeah!
Can I guess, can I guess?
Oh yeah sure.
Was it when Heroic 2 heard liquid at Tundra?
Um, no, actually when we had the mouse series, we're at the best of one, which actually influenced the top of the bracket.
Oh, against Heroic, that one was pretty good.
Yeah, but conceptually just watching two teams who've had no real meaning for like automatic top two actually dictate the top two doesn't happen too often in Dota.
Just saying that alone was like just kind of a funny little mini experience.
I liked that frog graphic earlier.
Which part specifically, Quinn?
I liked the little random frog stacked on top of each other.
I did like that one too
Man, frog is my favorite
Production cook them that one for sure
Yeah, they cook cod core
I mean, I can give a little tidbit since we're in a small like story
I remember a few years ago
Sorry, I was really in love with chat
That's saying, why is it always ace?
He has a problem here
It gives respect to not even capitalizes
The thing is I'm pretty sure that's CY
Oh, it's always ace
CY is always ace
Oh my god
There's always something wrong with this guy's headset, you can't hear him, he's breathing his mic.
But is that...
Always mess with your settings, he's like, is this better?
No, it's not better, like always.
It's always use the error then, right?
It's always something that he's done to his...
Yes, I know.
I mean at this point it has to be, but genuinely is always Ace.
Alright, back to my story.
Yeah, you're on it.
Back to you.
I remember this is like four or five years ago, before Tofu was like, you know, kind of, I would say big in the scene.
And also Ace kind of, you know, he had his team secret era and then like he had like a fall down, I would say.
Actually, when I played with Quinn, we asked Tofu to join us as a position 5 player.
Did you actually?
Yeah, and he at that time, he declined.
He was saying, I want to only play with Ace.
This guy is like, he's the future.
Like, he was giving us like, you know, the story of like,
I want to play with this guy forever.
I've played with him for a bit.
He sold him good.
I will like never leave his side.
And at the time, we were a bit like,
hmm, like this is a bit strange because you know,
we've seen Ace obviously was very good,
but he wasn't what he then, you know,
showed like one or two years later.
But you weren't seeing what Tofu was saying?
Yeah, like, I didn't know.
Obviously, I saw his carry days in Team Secret, but not some of the other things.
So, just to see that go through some of the years, that these guys stuck together,
and obviously, they showed it to everyone.
Like, they played in GG, they're playing together here.
I think stuff like this, it goes a really, really long way,
like just the friendship, especially between people that lane together.
Of course, right now they don't, but just this pure belief in someone else.
It's so important and so refreshing to see, because it's very rare.
Yeah, I mean, it clicked very quickly, right?
because in the into that we had with them, right?
Then talking about Hellbent Smashers.
That was the team, you know, misery,
captaining, I was coaching it.
Like when they did join together
and we're like playing these like,
the scrims, playing the online tournaments,
like you instantly knew that they had this chemistry,
that they wanted to lane together.
They're playing this pub,
they're doing everything that you mentioned.
So it was like just,
I got a very kind of lucky and grateful
that I got to experience like those two lads
kind of finding each other at the very start
of at least Tofu's career.
And of course, you know,
since then they've really just kind of carried away
with the partnership, right?
But again, for Tofu,
he has just been a hard worker,
Ever since day one
Yeah, I mean they are they were they were always great teammates
They're very hard-working and I think especially and they were always landing together when they were playing with me
But I think players who put the work in and talk to each other
They fix their own problems if their lane goes bad
They take ownership of that and they go and they watch the replays
They talk about it and slowly but surely the issue will always get fixed
Like having that belief in people that they are gonna deal with their crap
And you don't need to go like out of your jurisdiction and fix something that's not your place to fix that is like such a
Pleasant feeling to have knowing that people are gonna put the work in
Do you think Tofu can actually hear us? Like we're kind of just hyping him up? Probably
He doesn't have his head though
Hi Tofu!
Next time can we show the Tofu play cam?
Yeah
Hi
Tofu!
Can you hear him?
Come here
Come on doggy
What are you doing?
I'm going to call him over
Sorry what?
Come again?
No
He cannot hear us
He's whistling though
Okay if they could hear us
And you would've given them one hero suggestion for that draft.
Underlord.
Underlord, yeah.
Okay, but let's say it's not logically driven, it's emotionally driven suggestion.
A necrophos.
Oh, fuck.
Or void spirit.
Oh, that was a couple of cheats, Nekron.
Necro.
That's right.
You want some, like, advantageous matchups, right?
You see some melee here in mid?
Yeah, exactly.
Why not?
Sure, you're gonna be a radiant buying, boots of travel, bot in the early game.
I said no logic, emotion only.
Faceless void.
Faceless void, necro.
That's a cool hero.
T.
I mean I'm a sucker for a spirit breaker. That's gonna be SP or Grimstroke, which makes sense
But he's already seen Brick Tricks with spirit breaker
Well, I don't know if you guys are gonna get the chance to see the heroes you want to but maybe we can hear from our fans to know
Exactly, which heroes they would love to see in a draft
Give me a hero that you think the pro should be picking you got to help them out with their draft
And you want to see it pick they don't pick it and who isn't off me this game. I think let's go
Well, yeah, but they're picking us go
Um, let me think.
Axe.
They have also picked Axe, but that's a good shot. Those are two of my favourites, so well done.
I'm gonna ask you as well. Which hero do you want to see them pick that they ain't picking?
I don't know, I don't want to say Mipo, but these two teams, not sure maybe Anish I can play this one.
We did see one Mipo, OG picked earlier, it was pretty good, but yes, it's a good surprise pick, good choice.
I'm going to ask you as well, sir, if I may.
A hero that the teams are not picking that you're like,
why don't they just pick Pudge or whoever?
Hmm, they haven't picked PL.
They have not picked PL.
PL might be a good option.
Yeah, you got PL. Consider it, pros.
So I'm going to ask you as well. Who are the teams not picking?
Which hero then? You're just like,
why aren't they picking that hero? Who do you want to see?
I would say it's Erse, Shaker or Rubik.
Oh, well, we did see one Rubik.
I think he might have won.
But yes, Erse, Shaker, excellent, excellent.
I love that hero, good guy.
Can I ask you a question?
Yes, of course.
Hero that you're not seeing picked,
and you're like, they should just pick this hero.
I love this hero.
Why aren't they picking it?
Monkey King, maybe.
Ooh, Monkey King.
Mickey Monkey King, pretty hype.
Mickey Monkey King, I'll let him know.
I'll let him know.
That's a good show.
Hero that the pros on picking you, which they picked.
Obviously, Tinker.
Where are we?
Tinker, get out of here.
Next one, what do you think?
Heroes they ain't picking, they should be picking.
Vigil Dachshund.
See, these are some good answers.
That's a good answer.
All right, keep it going.
Last one.
Heroes that are not picking you think they should be picking?
I think they should pick off lane where that uses auras like pipe and crimson gun.
You're giving me an interesting hero, a hero that you're like yeah I love playing that hero that they're not picking.
Death Prophet.
There you go, Death Prophet. Alright well see, captains have a little think in the draft next time.
Think about some heroes you can pick.
These guys know how to draft better than you do.
Mix it up a bit.
I like that call to action from period then mix it up a little bit give us something fresh shout out to ever mentioned
Which doctor I'm all aboard that train of for sure
I like the person that also asked for a rubik there's a chance you could see it today because it was tofu rubik
And he did win with it. So I feel like it's not completely off the table
She's got to be the perfect rubik. He's the only guy that would even dare touching it
And he did win with it. It was a pretty good rubik game, but I like the last guy
You know, maybe he's trying to help Navi a bit.
He was like, you pick the guy in the off lane with the Auras,
get the sauce, pound a liquid sauce, and have a fight.
What are you on about? Why not the Wastock to cool?
I mean, I like this one.
A little bit of Maladik up in here.
You gotta be an Aura boy.
Well, bye.
I do miss when, like, Facets first came in or whatever,
or maybe it was the second change of the Facets
and Wastock to have the one where you could Maladik
to run down people with these Voodoo Restoration
because it still did damage to enemies.
That was so good!
I mean that was like the...
That was not okay.
That was so good.
Old Quinn team tech of the IO plus the witch doctor.
We got back!
I played witch doctor.
I was wonderful times.
I really liked it.
What isn't this really wonderful time at the moment is Ace.
You see him pacing around us because we've had to do a bit of a PC and then wanted to swap for him.
Like, see why I was saying it.
Always Ace, alright?
Always this guy, huh?
Always this guy.
So what's he downloading? What's he doing to the PC to consistently just fuck it up?
Maybe he's just an aura thing. He just sits down and the PC's like, I ain't dealing with this.
This guy is boring. I'm not letting him play.
Over a 5th-percent purchase rate on auras in your career and the PC just, yeah.
By the way, a bit of a random anecdote, but the slots in lobbies, people have the same slot every time.
And on the old team, A sat in the middle slot and Topu sat in the fourth slot.
But on Liquid, Topu is top slot, and Ace apparently is second slot, so they both change slots.
Wow, they gave up a lot to join Liquid, huh?
Okay, it may sound really superficial, but a lot is mostly superficial.
If you're playing saving heroes, sometimes you click them at the top of the screen.
So if you've moved slots, and sometimes it can make you misclick a little bit,
because you're used to clicking certain spots at the top of the screen, and they're not there.
That is no meme, it actually matters a little bit.
Everything that matters other than the pretty colors right of your your name, but with what you're saying two food is still next to each other
So the guy he loves most he can say the fastest
CL
Well, I'd loved every anecdote you guys have offered and obviously everything that we've gotten to hear from our audience here in the crowd
But we're gonna go to a short break a while this issue is being resolved
And I promise you when we do come back that draft will be ready
Who are you here to support and how do you think it's going to go?
I am here to support Navi because of the obvious reasons.
They were the first winners of the TI and on the last years we didn't see them as strong
as right now so I am fully rooted for them.
Rune for Navi.
Okay and what about you?
How far have you come and who are you cheering for?
I'm cheering for Liquid definitely.
some of the original famed boys, old school boys, I don't know really much about Navi,
the decent new players, so I'm very much rooting for Liquid this time.
Okay, so you're sticking with the known players, you're not looking at the unknown, so they're
pretty good players, I'll tell you that much, let's move along.
And who are you here to cheer for?
I'm here to cheer for Navi, I think the underdog story is really, really cool, like
obviously Liquid are a very established org, but we have like really cool pub stars
like Nico got the juice, I think they have it, I really do.
Absolutely, and who are you here to cheer for and how do you think they're
going to do?
I'm here for Liquid. I've always been supporting Liquid since he was back in the day with GH and
Zee and all that sort of bunch. I've sort of always been a Liquid so I think they'll do well.
I think they'll have like a few games where it's a bit rough like a few days ago when they had the
Razer issue but I think I've wise the Razer issue. We don't speak of it and neither do Liquid
but thank you guys enjoy the games and let's see how it goes. Who are you here to support?
I'm supporting Liquid. Team Liquid. Why Liquid? Because they're playing really good and
And also I'd like to play as well.
Who's your favorite Liquid player?
Nisha.
Nisha? Fair enough he's jolly good.
And who are you here to support and why do you like them?
Same. Me. My favorite team is Liquid.
I support Nisha for so long that I can show you.
Okay, Jeremy. Oh my God, look at this.
It's a team secret, Jersey.
You must keep that hidden.
That's forbidden knowledge.
This is from the Nisha period.
Oh, wow, Nisha's secret.
That's a way back.
Well, hope you enjoy the games.
is back on the menu because all the PC monitor issues that ace himself personally definitely caused
It's been fixed and our draft has begun so we can rejoice to get to talk more specifically about what is happening in our blast
Slam six finals here on the Lord
We said it was gonna be a problem and now it's been taken out in the first phase
Which means liquid don't want to open the draft with it as they are overall first pick
They take out the shadow demon the viper along with it and Navi take out tree and shadow
The fact that they ban it whenever their first pick is very interesting
I thought it would become the team with second pick of banzit, but liquid has a different read
I mean, I guess the viper did maybe just don't want to play because it's a bit slow and like matchup wise
I still thought like this is gonna like that it will become the series of like razor and underlord
I mean obviously razor still in but yeah
I kind of agree maybe throughout the draft it will at some point make sense
Or maybe just like a hero matchup, you know
Like having a read that the way Navi are adjusting with the underlord and like playing against it
But it is very interesting. This will be the final game
I think that Navi will be banned in nature's property if they are to lose the Razor there, right?
Game one you gave away the Razor when Liquid was second pick, game two you give away the Razor when Liquid is first pick
So unless you have a plan you need to make more respect to get Bat Rider
here that has been banned pretty much in every game that we've cast. That's finally been led
through the pool of course in the group stage to remind you in the off-lane role it just constantly
founds waves with a firefly you're buying all the auras you are just being very potent but it's
an aura buying off-laner. It's very interesting because I would say that Bat is quite good against
Razor. First of all if you lane against him I think you're quite happy. You also build
boots of bearing first item which is super giga good against Razor. You also like buying
loader source so you can help someone else you know later down the line. So I do want to see
where Team Liquid take this. Also if you're Navi you should respect Largo. I would say that this
hero is quite good against Bat. Like if you just lane against him or to dispel later, you get like
all the heals around as well. So I want to see where Navi if they respect the frog man.
And also one thing about Rider it used to be like the big pick for supports when four position
midi heroes want to drag waves and be annoying. So if there is a world where Boxy is going
to continue playing these midi heroes, there could maybe be an argument where he can take it
in the 5 position, all Zites just lanes it in the bot lane, and you just keep chasing,
well, technically top the dive, but you know, keep chasing this melee here, don't allow him
to do anything.
Yeah, that's definitely an option.
And I am surprised that they took the Razor over the Batrider.
I thought for sure they would take the Batrider.
They thought about it for 20 or so seconds.
They didn't use a little bit of reserve time, but they sat there and they thought.
And they came to the conclusion that Razor is the better first pick.
I'm not sure what the rationale is.
I do think Razor in the early game is pretty decent against Batrider because you
billion stick charges and you spam plasma field if it's the sticky one if you're just going max
firefly then that element changes but I do think razor is not bad against bat in lane in the early
game so maybe they feel the hero is just so powerful you buy the greaves you don't care about
the sticking up later like there's a playstyle difference potentially and look at the respect
from liquid grim stroke man of course with bat rider sold by an interdouble asso you're going
to be winning pretty much any fight if you execute cleanly on it so yep liquid no other
team is replaying it and still Liquid wants to ban out because of Navi's
accidents on the hero. What's the interaction if you soul bind and that
has eggs and they're not standing beside like behind each other like let's
say it's a perfect square and the two people's soul bound and next to each
other and not behind each other. I think you lost so three people. Okay it
doesn't go to fall because that feels kind of monka. I think you lost so
three people. Okay. I believe the first one triggers twice I don't
the second one triggers twice.
That would make more sense.
I'm calling coin flip on this one.
It's as likely you last for three hours into four.
Really?
Yeah.
Someone has very wonky interactions, I will say.
Something else, like for both sides, I think carries to think about for the next phase.
I would say Weaver is quite strong against both the cores that are currently presented to the other team.
It's good against Razor, if you're liquid, that's a hero you can think about against Bat.
Unless they are of course happy to play Razor into the Badrider, which I still would say is at least slightly bad favour, so I would like to look at other heroes.
The positive scenario is they are moving in a direction of, if Badrider is their offlaner, the items that Kazy mentioned, the aura as well, it's like you are taking a box of an adjustment from game 1, and if they can continue picking like this, Niku will have lost pick and draw from mid lane, so he will get that counter pick potential to advantageous matchup against Nisha.
So we are moving in kind of like the critiques we had from game 1 to game 2.
I think Na'Vi at least are kind of copying that.
I really want them to not pick disruptor this game on Na'Vi.
You already have tons and tons of catch.
You've got all this magic damage.
You need some physical damage.
Have some good laning.
Dammit.
No, no disruptor please.
But it won't come out cause liquid banded for you.
Oh I didn't see that, thank you.
Thank you, Liquid.
That was pretty nice though.
Go.
Okay, they go with the very classic boxy clock.
also you know warlock just overall solid i think you like you can obviously love your carry you can
push out the wave against the bat uh i would say i mean usually or like in the last few days when
i've seen some of these heroes like lago definitely jumps up in priority it's kind of good against
warlock it's pretty good against bat obviously i mean liquid could potentially still pick it
under offlane later if they want to yeah liquid just pick double supports that deal with the
initiation tools of navi right both bat and tiny they have the same style of initiation
If you get hookshot or golemed, your initiation is over.
You have to now take the fight in that position.
There is no tossback. There is no forced off on the last round.
There's a boots of bearing to run away.
You have to just engage wherever you have caught the guy.
So I think Liquid have just answered what Navi have nice at the moment.
And now Navi needs to continue kind of adjusting.
They cannot lean only on bat and tiny now.
I think all three of these heroes also cover up their weaknesses.
Razor, he likes to catch.
She has the damage. Clockwork provides the catch
and wants the damage.
And Warlock gives you teamfight over top all that while shoring up your lane.
So I think these three heroes make a lot of sense together. There's a lot of synergy
It's hard to really look at them and think there's something that's overly wrong that can't just be fixed by later picks
So all this very solid. It's a Navi tiny and bat are a little redundant
They have some aggression power and there's good things about them too, but I think there's a little more overlap between heroes
I mean, this is a hero Quinn you've mentioned I believe it was yesterday like the TA Razor matchup
and got to choose he this is I would say one of his best carry heroes by far
yeah are we not falling into a trap where a snow has access to like dark seas
and brew masters and just kind of heroes that thwart Navi possible for sure I
see the clock and I'm like okay you already kind of set up for lane and you
pick a TA like this again they're trying to give me good information they
want him to have the lane but you are sacrificing got the juices lane and
And that is what was kind of the only major positive I'd argue was like his net worth in the previous 3 years once in a long time.
I could definitely see the Darkseer come up for sure. It's a classic counter to TA for a reason.
But it's not like as black and white as I think it used to be since the new refraction change doesn't insta-kill it.
And also wall is kind of bad against TA, so it's not it's not as bad as like Darkstar against Terriblade
Just like a horrendous. It's definitely good against TA, but it's not earth shattering
I think Burmastor is similar like TA has a good lane and
Bru can't really kill you once you get to your item so you can buy MKB and kind of just snipe his pandas
So I think while these are good options. I think if I see them, I'm not like, ah, it's curtains for Navi
It's not that tier picked for me
Also wonder because liquid need to make a choice right like where are they putting the razor do you now after seeing TA ring?
Are you okay putting it often into the clock?
Like do you want to get some W's out of the other lanes?
Like if you pick you know a potential niche a hero here like Puck would be open or do you want a new carry?
Like for Mickey against the most likely tiny bad lane has Nico played bad writer core
Yeah, she striked me as the player that could but I don't know if he has as there's the darks here
He can definitely play Batrider, yeah, but I don't know if he has.
I also feel like Batmid is just hyper volatile and it functions way better from the off-lane.
I would definitely not like to see it in mid.
I mean, it's a good call from T.I.
I think the Darkseer is very good.
You have given yourself a slightly bad carry matchup, I think.
I think T.I.
carried pretty good against Razor Carry generally.
Overall, I mean, Liquid's teamfight is crazy, like, bananas, cuckoo?
Yeah.
So, I think if you're Na'Vi, you look at the heroes, you've got a lot of catch, and you've got the traps of vision.
You need to play a very different game, right? The styles of these two drafts are very contrasting.
Na'Vi wants to poke and prod. They want to see you jump, you take unfair fights, and Liquid is like,
here I am, face me!
But Na'Vi's not a very execution-based, right?
Like, a bad initiation on Tiny Tei or Bat, like, you are a blink-initiating hero, like,
where you go into the fight and then all of liquid invites that type of engagement like I said before so yeah I think the Navi
I'm just worried that a couple mistakes not getting an Aegis in TN and this game can get really difficult
I'm really looking at the last pick for Nikuta to just give some stability to them
Hussger still in the pool
It's probably gonna get that here though
I knew it, I knew it!
The spearman was not getting through, there's no shot.
Saj.
Wait, the other member is actually bushbeer!
Yo, what's the hater?
That's so messed up.
If they want a midfielder, it's in Stormlight, just super good, especially with all these heroes being banned out.
Yeah, it's very solid.
For Liquid?
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm looking at Lesh and then for Storm.
You will get Queen responded, and it's a pretty good Queen game.
You can't really kill this guy for a long period of time, so you are walking into a pretty known counterpick that I think gives Navi a very decent, like it's a very solid draft, very, very playable and would be the first time that Nisha's played a bad matchup in quite some time.
Because it must be that Razer's going safely. Like if Razer were going mid, wouldn't that be like even more reason to ban off the quad?
Oh!
They take it themselves.
Okay, that's lame.
If we anticipate specific carries for Liquid, why not take the counter?
That was fast.
I just locked it in straight away.
Okay.
I mean, I would say in general, Volker is good against QWAP.
He has the X-word fast, which is currently the better one against Queen, because you have the 4 spirits and you kind of just hit him.
Oh, they're swapping.
Oh, shoot, it's Mike QWAP.
It's always been a good laner against bad, obviously, no matter which lane you do end up in.
I thought that maybe there's a higher chance that Nika will play Kvaz, Vex and Voker.
I think it's been traditionally a very good answer into Darkseer, because you can gank that lane, obviously dispell the iron shells.
And I think also if you're looking at Liquid, I think the QWAP makes a lot of sense,
whether it's safe lane or mid, because Darkseer, he wants to collapse on a TA later in the lane.
So pick other heroes that can help him do it, so I wonder how Nika will skill.
Because I think Xor and Voker has a lot of volatility and it's very slow.
And for Liquid, when you see the Queen of Pain carry, the Razor going to mid lane, he's already buying BKB, Manta, they're kind of the carry-style item, so it's not as if you're looking at where's the carry on Liquid, like they have it through other tools.
Phenarmy, I'm just worried, like what happens if they don't have a network lead in this game, like they're positioning? It's full range tier, it's tiny, it's going to be quite difficult to always hold your ground, sorry.
I got to see why next to me. I loved chatting with you yesterday so I thought now that you're in the finals
Why not the same? I do have to ask you guys doing the first phase nature's profit letting through that razor
What's the logic behind having that trade off?
Well, I think from second pick. There's a lot of heroes you don't want to play against
It's like a bit classic thing at this point that you kind of end up trading if there's too many heroes because we don't do it
You'll just ban everything and you'll leave for example one hero now to get one super nice pick
and you will not really get anything so in that case it's we just leave like a few and they can get to choose. That's like their benefit, you know
The panel was talking about how good of a doxy a game this was for ace obviously you're very familiar with his
Heropo and how he plays were you guys anticipating this you feel like you have counters to and it's actually not as good on paper
I mean I think these days doxy against Templar assassin can go a bit both ways
It used to be like a very strong hard counter when the refraction would be instantly like removed from any tick of damage
Nowadays, they can be a bit different. Lane can even be hard for Daxia.
But yeah, I do know these guys pretty well.
I think not only like Ace and Topher, but also like the rest of Liquid, because we played them so many times.
So it's not too surprising to be honest.
But I think we also have some things to deal with Daxia, so we'll just see how it plays out.
And last question, it's a bit of a two-parter.
We see this exchange of Queen of Pain and Invoker, so you're trying to give Niky the best batch up,
but then Mikke ends up picking Queen of Pain.
clean of pain. One, did you see that coming? And two, how does it feel having that lost
pick, trying to give Niko the advantage mid?
We actually picked this better out against the Queen carrot before. It's like some teams
are doing it like in scrims for example. So we have experience with that and Invoker
is like good regardless if they put Razor or Queen mid. It should be good in my book.
So we'll just see if we deliver as well.
I like it. It always is a little bit of confidence here. You talk about your
draft there, which is rightfully so. Good luck in the grand finals in your game
here as well. As the rest of us, we get to enjoy a sit back and see what is installed for Game 2.
Game 2 time, ladies and gentlemen, between Team Liquid and Navi here in the Grand Finals.
the game. And then the last
pick. Not necessarily here. I
think you look at the draft
and say, Hey, this is the game
for it, but it's one of Niko's
best grandmaster tier, and it's
a lot of fun to watch. He comes
out with this invoker. Are they
going to be able to do it here
and take a game off liquid?
What do you reckon? It's a
lot of fun to watch. He comes
out with this invoker. Are
they going to be able to do
it here and take a game off
liquid? What do you reckon?
game off liquid what do you reckon looks hard again I don't know seeing the
aura is the similar kind of thing yes they do have the pure damage but there's
a lack of setup for early Sunstrike's I usually like seeing these lanes that
have at least something to set up for Sunstrike the only thing right now is
avalanche really I've seen like when I'm only I need to move away from Nico
he's doing the spam invoke thing I can't even hear myself yeah you see it's
like with pundra plays that they have some bane stuns something to be
that assist in terms of if the lane doesn't go perfect because you get that extra bit of gold.
So let's see if it works. It's pretty risky, I will say. It's a pretty volatile
overall draft from Navi again, but I guess that's the approach they want to take. Maybe more
volatility versus liquids kind of comfort kind of stuff to just cause some havoc. I mean,
let's see if it works. It looks it should be difficult, but let's see if Niku overall can
can do it with this invoker.
Typhus is going to be able to immediately get that D-Ward so they can pay with his life.
They will.
Typhus is going to be going down so he gets the D-Ward, but he's going to be first blood
for Got the Juice.
So, not the worst of trades there.
Two on the bouncy rinse.
Plus 16, kills the Cog as well, dodges the other one, nicely done from Juice.
And let's see if they do better overall bottom too because PM a you know, we did talk about the Phoenix
He fell off pretty hard in that last game. I think that is it's a bit similar
I think it's a little better in terms of what you can get in terms of if you don't like kind of snowball
But a similar kind of style
I think these two offlaners these three position bats in Phoenix is about like winning the lane and then playing off of that
So liquid very comfortable of just playing a very safe safe lane
This is probably one of the safest you have a queen of pain with a potential blink and a heel behind him
so
Not going to be repositioned versus that tiny. We'll have a way to play around it
And do you like again though the way that's a liquid finish the draft up having that switch around even though
It's less of a switch round of course after we saw an Amnesia play in the brazier in game one
But still that now pick the razor first wait until the last pick and then decide hey
Is this razor going mid is it going carry?
Though keep it mid they get the mckay quap in last pick
It's really nice
It's something only liquid would probably do right because make a he likes to play carry quap as well too
So it's just right up their alley and he shows you know, he said he looked so comfortable on it
It's another game where he can look extremely comfortable on it too
Because the lane is gonna be good for him versus that invoker and also I mean definitely another game where if he gets an early
He could be potentially can really start to command and dictate face
No, see how the both rain as you say in terms of the match up and especially because Nisha's warmed up off the planet in game
one. It could be quite a tough lane for Niku to keep up in farming.
Yeah, like the Exor in Volker, you don't really like to play versus a hero that can clear your
summon. It's usually when you play this Exor you get advantage because you can double last
hit with your force bird versus the individual hits.
You just get close to being able to dive Niku. You've got to watch this mid lane because
a step in the wrong direction and Niku is going to get caught by a dive,
Especially if any sort of early rotations come in for liquid top lane boxy
He's gonna chase him down here with the iron shell really should be fine as he gets back under the tier 2
But getting severely bullied back there by boxy and that's only gonna get worse
Obviously as soon as he hits kind of level 2 as well and the the iron shells from ace get leveled up
It's not a fun lane really for Riddies to try and trade damage against the two liquid
No, I mean this these late this lane set up right now for liquid
It does look like they have two winning lanes and one lane that's gonna get some trade farm.
Sure, got the juices gonna free farm, but it's not gonna kill Ace.
He should be completely free to get that extra farm.
So two lanes that look really good.
Niku is really pushing the limits.
My god.
I can't look away from it.
This mid is...
Stick charges in the plasma field.
Might...
Not quite enough to push above this, but...
It's it's risky
He's getting no CS on 9 5 to 17 8. He's getting all he's getting most it's not gonna get one those range denies. Yeah
And bottom too, like we were mentioning it's a clean of pain versus that
It's almost impossible for the bad to get aggro unless Mickey makes a mistake
He just goes to one it has the blink to be able to play defensively and constantly can trade because the way the bondage is
He actually makes an aggressive jump on Mickey
That was a bit bold I spoke some heels, but
He actually gets the kill first, so you know what, he'll probably take that, but as you
said that was very risky, could have gone horribly wrong, still ends up dying, but you
know what, he kills PMA first there.
It was free, I mean that was kind of a crazy move from Ike, I gotta be honest, it's
like the stick you wore off from him and he's like, I'm going.
As soon as he's signed up for a turn to try to get the jump, at least he gets
the first kill, they'll get some grimoire for Tofu.
He does.
But, yep.
That was crazy.
Might be a bit more careful with doing that again next time, yeah.
I like what I'm saying, like it's a very defensive, you know, he should be very chubbly, safe half of a blocker.
Especially after he played so safe last game, right, I think last game he only ended up dying for once on his win range at MK.
That's all we had to catch out so far through there.
So even with the support dead by MK, he's happy to lane in the 1v1, so we'll still remain safe.
Mid lane, Nisha's now hit the 5, so the 3 points in the plasma field.
The nuke from that plasma field really does add up.
Niku is going to be consistently low and Zayac does not have mana to make a move.
Does he have mangos or anything on his career?
What's he got on it?
He has a clarity with boots, so maybe you could see the tiny maker rotation around mid to help Niku,
but gotta be careful because Niku could just die if you do get a wrong toss back play.
Niku, careful.
He's just trying to sort of bait
While he has ziots around to back him up
You can ziots get this wrap around and maybe same time the diet's gonna be happening top
We'll see the play around mid continue to get the setup on towards Nisha. Is it enough to get him? It is
So they'll make the trade happen top lane the carry is getting dove over on the mid
Navi they're bringing in ziots pushing for the kill and Niku needs that in a short
they lose they carry top but at least being able to offset the situation a
little bit in the mid lane and all things said and done even after the
pressure in the first few waves Niku he's not too far behind on the CS that
considering the situation against this razor it's not too bad for no no
definitely not I mean perfect timing for Zayac honestly I was like look I
make yes boots clarity thank goodness because I was give you just commander this
is gonna be weird to a couple of approach so has just enough for the
both spells good math I think the range one of the creeps actually split the
Sunstrike so it's good that they got that like second little hit and plug underneath the follow-up or maybe Nisha survives
Yeah, he had to kind of get in under the target the last punch in ziats. Yeah
Kind of do the same bill that we've seen BGM do I should really like this meteor hammer build it seems really strong
However, it does have its problems if you are not aware of what the clockwork is and you try to actually do so
around mid again
Yeah, Nisha's ready to dive of course now. She's got the six I have the storm of the ready
He's healthy too, he's full health, ready to go in and Vox is coming in with a wraparound
but they've got a lot of burst here to try and kill him off, doesn't matter the shadow
wears, where the hills comes into play, Nisha being kept alive by Tofu, we've got another
plasma field out, Navi will finally finish him off, maybe PMA with a firefly can also
chase down Tofu and he can indeed, so Navi they bring the numbers in, sure, Niku
dies, they do make liquid pay for it, they kill off Nisha and they get a plus
one on top of it. Are they gonna get their wisdom though? That's my worry about when you
rotate like this. You bring four you're gonna sack the wisdom and that is exactly what's
gonna happen actually. That's very true. That's very true and now obviously at that point
no sure liquid they lost two they got one but they get two shot of wisdoms. They don't
mind about that trade now. And this this has been played before. It worked on Nisha
because they had been poking him right. The Niku had been whittling him it for
quite some time. This was Nisha with full HP so the Avatar's combo Sunstrike it's
not quite there enough and then the shadow where it takes in so they have to
bring the fourth hero to at least defend that but yeah you sacrifice quite a bit
and now tofu he is yeah he's level six as soon as he eats that Tom after one or
two more creeps actually short one experience if he eats the Tom he's
gonna be at 679
that's gonna make these aggressive moves for liquid that much more
successful there we go now at the six they kill the range creeps so if he
parts that they'll have to throw them they might dive mid this tower is very
low they can they can definitely go mid again in here liquid if they want and
Niko's gonna be super careful he's got to be ready to kind of cool in the backup
TPs are available on both supports so if you want to stick around the tower
backup's got to be coming in see how safe he plays it yeah he's probably
not gonna be able to do anything to push them off it they have to let this
tower go to some strike come in they'll be able to burst ace on the
other side of the map and I tell you what gets the denying as well nice to
They've done that by Nukku against the three of them, so kill up top, tower denied, they're making the best of a bad situation there, Navi.
Yep, they're playing to their strengths right now. They do have seven kills, Zayac's, he's been very successful with almost all of his rotations as we see here on this Tiny.
Much better than last time at least for his moves. However, we are seeing Inigo is still struggling, right?
He's still bottom of the course, he's going to have to hit some creeps in the jungle, but he does have the opportunity to get those sun straight kills around the map with the Tiny rotations.
It's Appalachian. It's actually just a guaranteed setup.
Aisha. Arcane Rune is going to be very nice here to just pop the eye to Storm, look to still...
Some of the stacks are going to contribute, it's a triple stack, but now he did have here, so...
It's a quick bomb stolen by Aisha.
Yeah, Arcane Rune, I had a storm overall out of the best farming tools in this early game.
Also looking for an aggressive play around bottom.
It's Queen of Pants hitting the tower, double range creep.
I don't even know what he's going to defend us.
They've got to let this one go, surely.
The only way, I feel like the only way they set up for defences is if the Zayac is there.
If Zayac isn't there for a defense, I feel like there's no way they go for a Zayac.
Actually gets caught.
We're just people actually pushing him up the tower.
TP's not coming in yet to back him up off that.
He's sticking to the jungle.
He's got his first aren't done.
The pangrod's online.
So a little harder to burst now.
You see mid.
overall the play making I would say from Navi it's honestly all around Zayac
until they have the level sixes come on for the Batrider and for Riddies it's
really just Zayac's where do you want to make it go and can we actually get this
go set up they want to go mid they get the set up the full combo golds gonna be
dropped down these two he's gonna be able to put the one charge his shadow word he'll
coming in won't save him he'll go down but a lot of damage is being done
especially with his fatal bonds on the three of them that's Riddies dad
Zayac to full as well Niku he'll pull the stramble away but the M.A. is trying to
into the front of the fight and boxy's caught him and the gods tofu ends up getting a triple there
so nisha dies but tofu just gets the absolute perfect position to just lay down this multi hero
fatal bonds golem and he gets a huge clean up triple kill for the warlock they're super ready for
these moves nisha he's just hanging up look at the build right treads double bracer he knows
he's just gonna get double nuked he's gonna get avatar sun strikes as long as he can
perhaps survive just the initial burst then they can turn the fights in there we did see a tofu
the warlock getting the big kills now tofu might be in trouble can he get
himself away set up a tornado brown from the science books he's here to help out
but some strikes coming in they'll make tofu pay and of course healthy got that
nice triple kill a little bit of a boost really to the gold ends up going
back the way of Niku that you could get in the last town that I'm pushing
him very close to having to meet your homies about 250 gold away from having
that's done. I'm in Boca. They're getting kills, but just like last time, Liquid just
farming, the creeps farming that core, that key item that they need, especially for something
like Darkseer, right? He's going Crimson Rush. Pretty damn good game for it. Yes, there's
a lot of magic, but the TA's damage is going to be completely negated when they run in
for that fight. Got the juices. Of course, he's farming pretty good, top of the net
very well, but he's pretty much gonna have to sort of play this early game
right where he's a TA he's probably not gonna be showing up to anything crazy
until he has the death so the dragon lance and the blink then he'll start to
get involved before that probably not gonna happen and that might hurt them
right especially if liquid continued to push the issue and play as active as
they have been already taking out two of the tier one towers playing their
lineup a little bit faster this game in fact liquid as opposed to what they
in game one. Could be tough for Navi to deal with. My worry is all the things that
collapsed on top of this, you know, on top of got the juice too. He's gonna have to
have some bodies to kind of distance from it and he doesn't have the best bodies
right with this off-lane bat. It's a bit of a different kind of hero, but the
way that people are building it now is kind of a body right. So we're seeing
these bats, they go for bearing, they go for pipe crimson, they actually match
aura. So perhaps that's gonna be the idea of him being that front line for
the TA, but there's repositioning tools, you know, this Darkseer vacuum,
Charityly level 1, little things you do have to watch out for.
Liquid, he's smoking that move and out.
Best case that Navi is going to be Riddies thanking a nice little dodge there, the hookshot.
And jump away, I tell you why, he's going to be able to play his way out there.
Very nicely done by Riddies, a little too slippery for Liquid to catch.
That was, that was sexy.
Just a little dodge there with the quote-a-quote mantha, love it.
We'll get to see that nice little move again there from Riddies.
Bam, out comes the illusion.
Footshot goes straight through
during that very tiny little bit of imponitability period
where you're off the map with the illusion coming up.
Love it. I love Ringmaster.
Has so many potential for outplays that he can do.
We love to see that.
Zayac and Riddies paired up.
Level 6 is hit, of course, for Riddies.
They're bringing juice, so they're bringing the Deso.
They want to try to find a catch here.
Get those charges going for him.
Yeah, not not always the easiest move to make indeed getting your GM vault especially when he's been farming so well
if you show bad
It's been hurt to find the set up onto Mickey
So the wheel is it enough to kill him off? It is the wheel explodes
They take them down see if they can get out now though
Gone's gonna be dropped straight in on towards PM a PM a trying to fire fly away
But a some boxy chasing him down is pretty tanky of course they're burning on the bat and I'll tell you what he's only
He's just been able to bring boxy down.
He's got the lasso as well on towards him.
He gets a double kill.
And honestly, he'll take that pier.
They sure died at the end of it.
But he's able to get a double kill on the way out.
One of them being a big kill, taking out Ace.
Thank you, and I think they expected that.
Firefly really started that up, and they don't have a pipe.
They do have the Crimson this time.
So it's not going to block any of that magic damage.
It's going to come like you did 4,000 from the bat.
That's got ignored.
The golem also kind of missing.
Hit on top of the box.
Didn't hit anybody else.
So it didn't actually catch a real stun on the bat
when he was out and about.
And Niku, during all this, he's doing the ice wall plus meteor hammer farm, pulling two camps together,
trying to maximize as much as possible, so they're keeping that farm consistent.
And a good catch, they will find Mika. They've very killed them twice more than last game.
So if they go for one of those fast moves again, Nabi, once they're all back...
There's no goal on that.
So it's the opportunity of them making those moves is there,
there just if they do want to take that risk since they do just get a nice
desk or stack might just look at the player on the objective.
I've got the juicer's gonna remain down bottom there with the backup of Ziats.
It's hard to be cautious how much he steps down the lane.
Popsie around and ready with the hookshot.
Mckay returned back to the safe lane to continue to keep up there on the farm.
I felt more than happy to see him I'm just watching what Ziats is gonna do
Except literally all that playmaking has to be from this avalanche.
PMA has boots of bearing, but there's a surge.
Drop the wall down in an effort to try and kill him off.
Now, in the turn, I should get the lasso, they've got the wheel as well, Nika's gonna get punished!
Na'vi!
Making sure the liquid do not get away with that aggressive move, Ace has to run away with a surge.
I mean, he can't take advantage of Ace trying to get the choreo, but it might cost him his life.
Nika's having the angle for the tornado.
The hook shot over to try and stop the follow-up combo, the cold snaps in on Jalais Ace, he's going to run!
Definitely plus was off from Mark Ace, he gets out!
They'll turn desires now as Mikkei's turn of the fight, finally they'll be able to finish off Ace.
That's Riddies now, shacedown by Mikkei.
He's going for the TP out, Sonic Wave's going to be popped but it's not enough to burst him before he gets out of there.
Riddies escaping once again.
Great play, he's jogging. Just with the twin-gating time there, they nearly scouted out Niku, getting off at the side of the fight back to the other side of the map.
Yeah, not bad at all. Honestly, PMA in these situations, he's fighting the opportunity to make some pretty good moves here with the lasso.
Yeah, I think overall, Nisha this time especially took over playing his hand, thinking he's a lot stronger than he is, he doesn't have any core items just yet.
The Firefly, it really starts to add up with the sticky. I think he had one of his eight stacks on him when he got the lasso on him.
insane damage. This guy's going to be grieves for Ace. It's going to take some time until that pipe comes out so this bad rider's damage is nothing to laugh at.
He's having a great time. He's going to get the blink dagger pretty soon as well.
The impact is, yeah, it absolutely is. And it's again on another hero that, you know, this back could have fallen off pretty hard in the early game but it hasn't.
hasn't and even in a sort of lane situation where it wasn't easy to sort of dominate the lane because
you're playing against the safe lane quap and the PMA still having some good and good. Niku,
he's ordered the river here, box he gets the catch on him, well see where he's trying to help out
the golem's going to be dropped down, the box is there though and it's not to ban him out. Niku,
he's going to be able to get away from this attempt from liquid, dropping the golem and now
Tofu is going to lose his golem, easy go up, forgot the juice, I mean the save from Riddick's
Coming in with that box, yeah, that's a big timing to be able to survive for it.
You survive for each of these golems, you're able to try and hit back immediately, and
Liquid, they're missing a big part of their teamfile.
Yeah, Liquid can't fight without those.
They're just going to have to watch this tower die now.
Great save.
I thought Niko was in trouble because he was in the river too, but yeah, just a
beautiful save from Riddies.
I got the juice.
I see.
It's enough.
He's gone.
I mean, these sort of TA plays as well.
Super nice from Got the Juice right.
He is perfectly identifying how he can get involved,
how he can look to even make these jump forwards,
go for kind of support kills.
Even when there's heroes around now,
he knows his strength.
They can look towards Roshan as a team.
Of course, we've seen this many times before from Navi,
something that's very good at just playing around
the timings of the TA carry.
And we're seeing it here in this game against Liquid.
And it got the juice.
He's really starting to get very far ahead.
3K ahead of the cause of Liquid at this moment.
And this is one of the things right, especially with some of the heroes like the carry quap.
It's going to be very tough to keep up in farm, especially when you're looking at TA.
I'll get the catch on another here, Tofu.
Caught out, PMA picks up another kill.
This TA could barrel out of control.
It's starting to really feel like that as well.
Clean up and Mikae, his two of his Soniclers did not net him a kill.
He died twice.
If you're not getting kills as a quap, you've definitely got to fall behind the TA Niku though.
He does get caught alone.
Berylons actually. I mean, Navi's heading up here though, so Lick would have to get out of it pretty quickly
And they will. Nisha immediately into the trees, TP's out. No, he's not to stick around.
Sees the darkseer, can't quite get the catch, doesn't have a friend near him.
They have multiple ways now to start the fights on the side of Navi. Ways to bypass the frontline too.
Boxy, he is still caught and Juice has found him.
Another kill for him.
Very impressive. He's not there from, got the juice on the T8.
He's looking very very good so far.
The fact that he's getting these desostacks too, it's gonna be a big deal with how much
damage he gives because actually looking at liquid strapped they're not the tankiest overall,
right?
The Darkseer, yes, Razor in a way can be, but Queen of Pain can be lackluster in terms
of armor early.
Might take some time for Mikkei to be able to withstand a double melt, might just kill
Mikkei pretty easily if he's not careful.
positioning so far from Navi as you said they have their double blinks they quit
gathering up they've got Mac they've got crimson they've got ults ready
they're going up in a couple of seconds
Navi seem aware that they smoke up themselves they put the high ground position
Nisha's going to try charging in but they have the avalanche into the way of the control
PMA with this low lock down of the lasso Nisha he's coming in towards him but
it's not enough to save him again Nisha dies at the start of the fight
and now liquid they got a run PMA gonna have blinks up in a second
See if they can change further kills. They can. They get the jump forward. Avalanche toss back.
They're going to kill a full heroes of Liquid. Mikay, the only one to live as he gets the blink off at the end of it.
But Navi outplaying Liquid in now in these Teamfight situations.
Look at that.
Situations where Liquid have been pretty perfect.
You know, through the last few series, right? They're beating Liquid at their own game right now, Fog.
The sort of fighting 5s.
Liquid aren't. They're not used to losing these over the last few days.
But here in this game too, they're losing these traits. Navi's out playing them.
Especially with like a full teamfight draft, right? That's what I'm mentioning for Liquid.
It's a very teamfight-centric draft, and they walk up into high ground.
Navi was perfectly prepared for that. Great avalanche. They understand who to go for.
Don't let Nisha get a link off. Just full burst him down. PMA now, that's what.
Four lassos, I believe, that has been thrown onto Nisha. Just completely shut him down.
And it's not Ag's now on Niku. So they've got the cataclysm also.
also pretty much anyone who gets caught in either avalanche or the lasso is gonna
die so for liquid it what's the way to bail them out
bkbs are definitely gonna be needed because they've been broken in these
last three pretty much three situations when they went for the fights
themselves and coffee this way they keep running a liquid they get the set up
the sauce into the cataclysm into the lasso that's gonna be mckay god
Yeah, they're feeling the sort of the momentum they have right now. They are not going to be slowing down any time soon it
Now we've seen liquid run away with some games here now in game to Navi. They're ready to run away with this one
They might even poke high ground here, right? They have a base for that to leave that science is placing
Okay, tofu season, so it's gonna get you worried
But they have great ways to cat they can force issue pretty hard in this game because of their way of double catching and
repositioning heroes on top of this TA
This bot tower, Liquid, see if they want to try to hold it. Golem's going to be back up in 40, but Navi is very ready for this fight.
He's just going to shine.
So Navi, obviously they're going to be much more careful about how they go for fights around the tier 2, especially as we just see what in the game 1.
Obviously it was a little different of a situation because they weren't this far ahead, but it was still an area at the map where a risk was taken and it didn't pay off.
off things started to go downhill from there so you can only imagine now he's
going to be a bit more cautious at least about taking this lead to the next
step. Move to the top side of the map avoid liquid and just focus the objectives
look to get this tier 2 tower potentially. As they know at the moment it's
really you know it's liquid they kind of have to do sort of they're the full
strategizing to try and find a way back into this game. And I love the way they're
playing in the positioning just don't let them get any wrap around don't let
them outnumber just play with the two supports around got the juice let
your bat and your invoker do their own thing for now, get those next items, map is shrinking
for liquid and they just got their aggonyms on Mikkei, but he has just died. Every single
time he's caught he's just dead and this item is not going to really help him if he
just gets caught. No, it's because it's one of those situations where obviously when
the fatal bombs come out from Tofu, Mikkei, he's going to want to get the jump in,
get off that AoE daggers on as many of the fatal bomb daggers as they can to
just maximized this outburst of damage but as you say if he's doing that they're
gonna be able to collapse on him very quickly and kill him immediately so he
might even get the chance to get off the full sort of skill set in the team
fight if he's not careful Nick has got to be super cautious juice is also just
so farmed that the worry is that even if they do get to him if they can you
know get all these initiatives he might just kill them all because of how much
damage he's doing right now sure he doesn't have BKB but even if this
razor the razor won't be able to get a link on him unless he's chain
If you try some Lincoln trade the TA is just gonna kill him there again and not be able to get real powerful. Yeah, yeah
We got smoked on up now, babe
How do they protect pretty much like for liquid the question is how do they protect the target that gets either stunned or lassoed
Is a nice well off the mark
He's going to catch him, gets the toss back, got the Juke 7 to finish him off.
What might he get him up on the cliff?
He's got the Hurricane Pipe ready to come down.
Lassler's going to be the arms away.
He's going to drop the golem here and attempt to fight back with us.
Aston Sondingway pushes them back, got the Juke 7 to slide away with the Hurricane Pipe.
He's super low here, but the Refraction comes back up.
Doesn't matter, Liquid, they fight through it.
Take the Refraction off, get the big kills.
Only PMA to survive.
Liquid able to push back against Navi, kill off the four at them.
the four of them getting massive air we damaged that time around in the team fight too much for
now be to survive for it as he tough was buyback insanely clutched the fact that he had the gold
for it kind of I don't know if he put himself in a bait position but honestly he buys back and
gets a pretty godly goal on the other side which for the follow-up it might have been part of the
plan there it gets a bit awkward at the start he's able to blink off the cliff at this point
They're super grouped up, bombs dropped down, the bombs are out.
Sonic Wave flying through the two of them, the big targets as well,
both got the juice and PMA getting clipped by that.
And at that point, they couldn't get out.
Liquid showing they can punch back despite being about 10k behind
going into that teamfight.
And into a teamfight where there's an incredibly stacked TA,
regardless of the farm he's got, it's sort of just
I can blink to protect him and pull out damage with the Daedalus and Desolator. He can die.
I think if they don't get hit by 4-man bonds there, I think they can probably turn on Navi.
But the fact that they get hit by 4-man bonds sonically, that's where the damage really starts, if you can't adjust his TA.
Honestly, when I saw them 4-man clump, I was worried too.
It was good that he got the lasso on the Darkseer initially,
because I thought Ace was going to get a 4-man vacuum combo.
But anyway, he didn't matter.
If the Bolom came out, caught the 4 main targets afterwards on the retreat.
So Navi, they'd have a shake up there for them, not one of those mistakes that you really want to make versus a team like Liquid.
Very good at capitalizing and catching back up with things.
You see them get some good aggressive vision.
Their ults is where they're going to start to come back on cooldown.
They've got BKB for the co-op.
The good start to get some better tools to be able to fight easier.
And got the juice, so that's to be a little careful, because there's no defensive positioning for them.
Although Navi is going to second cooldown, they're going to come running straight back at Liquid.
I'll charge.
If the catch on a PMA, PMA will be able to force away, but it's going to get dragged back
straight into Liquid.
That's PMA dead.
No fight to be had now for Narvi.
They've got to run.
Mikay, end with a BKB.
Daggar out onto Riddies.
Riddies also in a whole lot of trouble.
They'll try and get away with the box, but he's been surrounded by Liquid.
They get the two kills.
Tannik Elizabeth Avalon coming to play.
They'll strike back and kill off Mikay.
But still even without the quad liquid can continue to push back the rest of Navi
Nika's looking at maybe getting involved from the sidelines
And can they do anything three versus four? It's it's still kind of tough dangerous gold
I was back off. They were trying to take advantage of these cooldowns being used
Looks at you stuff's one of con. They want to try see
He's ghost walk. They're good eyes on what's it
He was immediate with that blink and I'll tell you what they're not gonna catch him. He's away in no way
Okay, so PMA I think he actually needs I saw that he went pike
This is a bit greedy on the Bat Rider this game
I think he does need the BKB even though you're playing into copper cook shot
Dolem etc. If you get to get cotton cogs on this Bat Rider
It can break a lot of games and if you get by around this roast
This is going to be brutal for Navey.
Liquid's on the way over.
Navey's just trying to desperately finish up the race.
Can he get in? Can he get caught by the fascist?
He's headed outside of the pit. He can't finish him off.
Navey's just going to be able to get in there with the BKB.
Goptic is going to jump back in. He'll get back in.
But Nisha picks up the Aegis. And now with the Aegis in hand,
Nisha's ready to start charging at Navey.
Riddies will get back up to the high ground.
Goptic is trying to turn here. They'll jump in with the avalanche.
They'll return. But Nisha, he's still ready to push up forward.
Navey have to back away from the raising.
Can they take at least him down the once?
They've gone at the first time but Mikhail and angle from the side blows the back of the sonic wave
That's going to be really stead the second life and come to the play they look desire to try and TP up
But Mikhail's got the damage to pick up the double
Navi they clean the rose quite in time there liquid make their way over
They get the ages pick up on Disha and that gives them the power
They need to take another team fight in their favor here liquid that take you're denying the ages away from the TA
That's the big thing, right? If this TA gets Aegis, that's a huge momentum for Navi to be able to press you here.
This vacuum, watch Ace. First the cog, I believe, pushes out this poor TA, and then watch this vacuum afterwards.
Nice.
What did you say? Eyes on end.
Oh, crates in the way.
Just at the moment, he would have wanted to finish that roast, get the pick up.
He couldn't, and got the juice.
The shake-up continues here from Liquid.
liquid in a navi they're having a very smooth mid game but liquid hitting back pretty hard
navi they've got to reassess the situation look towards the the next move i mean it's
almost going to certainly be this cool to just get the bkb on got the juice these fights
they seem a little too hard without the bkb on the ta he's super close to leveling about
200 gold they're not trying to strike again i want to say also like the head on 5v5s
is something that Liquid wants too. I would want Navi to ideally go for an attempted pick-off.
Liquid's not really giving them the chances though, but you know, that's ideally what they
want to do with a back-tiny lineup. They're gonna want to get a car, catch first.
He's got to be so careful, he hasn't got the BKB delivered yet, it's about to come out.
There it is. Okay, BKB's on him now.
It's got backup, Bruties is there. Force glimmer. They've got a lot of defensive tools for him now.
Liquid, looking for the team fights.
A pulse attack at Exige for Nisha.
You get the hookshot angle on Tanika with the river!
It's gonna be hard to push it back with the Colts into the sonic wave!
Dusty and Volk are dead!
Oh, and these are really greedy items, I gotta be honest.
Ato's going for the Gleitner build after the Aghanim's,
and then also the Bat going for the Pike instead of BKB when they had that advantage.
This is gonna hurt. It's gonna open up moves for Liquid to crawl back in terms of net worth.
They've shown they can already take teamfights at a net worth episode.
This is it. Hey Navi, they've got to get their act together in these next few moments.
Can't keep hemorrhaging these kills. I'll see you again there.
Good catch from Boxy. Very, very good chase down there.
Can't manage them, right? That was a timely spot.
With the distance that he passed, yeah, he got him out of the cogs with that, yeah.
Yeah, the power of headband. This is an item that I think has infinite potential also.
I do love this item right now. Yeah, super nice on the clock works with the cog potential.
All right, Navi
After regain their footing back to the game plan of getting these catches PMA
I believe he does have the BKB so that's gonna help put a bit here for the next life
The big the BKB is gonna be pretty huge
But they still like the way they ideally start these fights right if you get a target you cataclysm people cat on
Let's a kill steal it. All right. Well, there you go
Easy toolman set for me carries and he gets paid with the shark going his way as well
So a cataclysm well done there by Niko on the invoker
Let's see if the greed does work. You know, I'm mentioning the greed. It's if it gets punished really hard
I'm concerned so let's see. I because the glibner build is honestly this builds insane on the phone
So I'm not critiquing the build like in terms of I will see that that timing again
My goodness that was that was a lot of damage
It was five five or six on strikes, I believe right so
At least that landed on that tormentor
I'm looking for the fight again. All their tools are ready. Jam on their frontline, Nisha.
Now, it's just going to be a question of how different it plays out now that the BKBs are
there. Got this.
He's away with the bling. Oh, foxy little rare mislead with the hook shot straight into
the Nisha razor.
Yeah, I agree.
He'll take all the way. Nisha will stay foxy, trying to aim it better.
These BKBs are going to be important, right? Got the juice, having his available, having
the BKB for the Bat Rider. Niku, he'll get it next. Let's see if it hurts. They'll have
to protect him at least with positioning. He's going to have to play pretty far back.
But with the other two BKBs, let's see if that helps him a lot in that team fight. 15,000
gold leads still for them. So they're still very comfortable in terms of net worth. It's
just those team fights that you can still feel a bit intimidating.
Yeah.
That's crazy to say.
The AOE, the burst, right? I mean, because they have such a great lineup that abuses
just the power of the fatal bunch from Tofu.
Yes.
That's always gonna hurt.
And we saw it when Liquid were fighting
with this 10K deficit.
So, you know, what's a 14K deficit?
Well, we'll see how much of a difference it makes.
BKB is gonna be everything.
Obviously, the last few fights have been where
Liquid sort of had a good read of how to charge
into the team fight.
Now, if he can get a quick job.
They can kill Tofu off to start things,
which would be pretty nice.
They've dropped down centuries dust,
everything to make sure that the warlock is gone.
I don't think to juice did hit 25.
So, Swift Blink 25 extra refraction charges.
He still has that clear separation in terms of net worth over the carry.
Quick TP's down towards the bottom as well from Na'Vi.
They're looking for these catches. I like this.
Trying to catch when Liquid is split up.
Instead of great kill threat with this tiny bat plus one.
I mean, what are we looking at next from Liquid?
Are Liquid, are they looking to fight right now?
Boy, what do you think the call is going to be?
Obviously they know that they can win the 5v5s,
but they'll be aware that these BKBs are online.
Does that mean they're sort of sitting back waiting for any sort of next round of buttons on any of their key heroes?
I think they got their next round.
The other one would be the AC for Nisha,
which would be obviously extremely helpful versus the TA,
but I think they have the next round that they want to look to fight around,
because they got the Shiva switch is the one I was looking at for Mikkei.
Because he adds very low armor. I think when Topo respawns and they're looking to play around the objective
That's when we'll probably see them look to fight
Bobby's gonna have an amp damage for that though potentially so got the juice
It's gonna be the one to watch
Imagine they'll be
Pretty hungry for a team fight
If they got a smoke up between them
Niko is getting time also to just sit back and finish up that BKB that I wanted to see him get next to
I'm going to smoke to my Riddies. Okay, there we go. Riddies is going to get one cent out right now
They're very patient waiting for the timings. They are the ones who know the Roche
You know, they do have the TA so they know of course the exact timers
We're doing everything they can to make sure that a repeat of the last Roche isn't going to get the chance to go down
Mm-hmm
That's something that you know Quinn was mentioning on panel too is if there is going to be a
situation where if they start getting vision inside the pit
Perhaps they can smoke and look for the fight afterwards rather than just full finishing and committing
He's falling down a little bit here both teams
That work
Kind of stayed the same. It's it jumped up to that
You know, was that like 10 that jumped to 14 because of the uh the tormentor steal now. It's been sitting consistent at 14 15
Bobby
Looking to control vision good movements here with the gem
We've got to watch out for this as well in the team fight.
Ace now having that blink dagger.
We've already saw Liquid get chances to get these big multi-hero fatal bombs and sonic waves.
Now that there's the blink on the dock, see how that setup's going to be even more potent with the vacuum positioning.
Got the juice. The M damage is popped.
Long rush. Two minutes.
teamfights if he's there. It's very hard to dodge these meteors. They're massive with
the Glidemere and they do a ton of damage so.
And this is the thing right now, sure the teamfight in terms of just overall spells
from Liquid is super strong but Navi, they have got pretty beautiful ways of setting
up heroes to just get completely destroyed by this TA. Now all four of their heroes
with the Glidemere invoker, with the the axe on the Bat Rider and those the Tiny
And the ringmaster they have great AoE kind of stuns routes to ensure that these incredible angles can be found by Got the Juice.
Initiation is going to be important.
Boxy, they're going to find Got the Juice!
They find him on the cliff! Sorry, where's going to come in?
The lasso will come out!
Cataclysm is going to be there but it's not enough first to kill any of the cores.
We'll just take down Boxy.
Boxy buys back immediately.
Nisha, trying to set PMA out of the fight.
Got the Juice is going to try and turn over.
Walls, Nisha, but he has to blink away.
Got the Juice out with the blink.
He's still holding the BKB.
So he still has the ability to press it if they want to get back in, looks like they'll just respect the buyback from the clock, get out of there, nobody else ends up going down, just the boxy clock.
That was, honestly, got the juice was super impressive with the just holding the BKB, holding his abilities, he got boxed.
Yeah, he forced that out, stuck inside the wall, it looks like it was dangerous again for a second, he comes in for a hit and then blinks out, so he's pushing the limits of this TA very nicely.
Kind of chaotic, I think it was three heroes that got hit by double-double-sunstreks.
And I mean they'll take that, you know, Navi will absolutely look to go for the fight now.
Because there's no golem.
That's the big timing that's going to be missing between the two teams.
Navi, they'll look to hit back against Liquid.
Can we get the catch? They've got the Ag's lasso.
Look at their eyes and Ace jump forward, they have the Ag's lasso to look out the other two claws.
Ace is going to try it out, but he's gone.
Push it back with the Sonic way!
They could have to be careful now though without their Darkseer.
The root control into the Meteors over towards Tofu.
It doesn't quite the range to catch on to Tofu.
They'll get Boxy instead though, and obviously that's a die back effectively.
Boxy out for 70 seconds.
I'll teach a couple of kills around this Roshan respawn time.
Should be enough for Navi to get in there.
And this time around, get the Roshan without any interruption from Liquid.
Very good shot calling this time around.
They're immediately looking for the fight. They know the golems down. Love how they reset this fight.
Like this is not an easy call to make too. This fight where they land a triple cataclysm
and you make the executive call, guys, let's reset and re-go after.
Very, very heads up shot calling here from Navi.
20k lead now.
Things, you know, a little bit shaky for a moment, but they never lost their lead.
They've managed to really regain control of this game.
game, they've got the juice, continues to be in an absolutely insane position with this farm,
and obviously the big difference this time around, the other two calls, they're absolutely keeping
up right. PMA and Niku, they had a bit of a rough game one, but here in this game too,
they're in perfect positions with how much farm they've got and how much impact and control
they can have in these teamfights. PMA, he's gonna find it. See if they can actually finish
up the job, it's gonna be hard to be able to force out the eons, at least, on Mi'ke. See at
the side, actually got the juice, he's coming in with a jump, Toph is gonna be able to
to keep his distance away from the Mikkei and Nisha. I'm gonna turn over the wall, got the juice, but the latter side will get Lotus though.
On towards the turn, they've got the juice. He's gonna get taken out the one, so his BKB is still on cooldown.
He could be in trouble. Can they bail him out of this one? BKB still caught up on 30 seconds.
The golem's gonna get dropped by him. Avalanche and toss over the wall to raise the got the juice.
Trying to force away, but he's gone. He's surprised. Four dead. PMA's gonna fall as well. Liquid gets the team white.
Juice, too aggressive. He was so far forward. Nisha, I get a big drain on him.
Yeah, they go for like a side play after Tofu.
He did, and Tofu was able to jump back up to the high ground, and it was such a risky
play. Sure, he had the Aegis, but the BKB, it was still on cooldown for like 30 seconds
after that. You die once there. You're definitely dying a second time.
Okay, we missed the initial, but the initial was him jumping to try to get Tofu.
reflected double lasso. And then at this point, you know, Navi, there's there's just no redeeming
this team fight at that stage. Your supports are getting pushed back. As I say, the TA responds
off the edges for no PKB. Honestly, even if it was there, Foxy was going to be ready with the
hook shot. They get close to bringing down Nisha, but they don't get him. And there you go,
don't even get Tofu. Tofu also surviving a minimal HP. Absolutely brutal fight there,
the liquid brings back against Navi and that massive gold lead is disappearing.
Completely gone. Nisha, what lives on like a fraction of HP gets satanic up to is every little
thing for liquid coming in Navi. After approaching really carefully a couple fights this one.
They did.
Because they broke their mold. They broke their concept of how they want to approach the
fights. This TA just a bit too aggressive.
They didn't need to do that.
They didn't need to do that, but they did it.
it and now liquid very happily rolling down the mid lane. Look at the static link on the
sides. Vacuum's going to drag him back. He needs to try and continue to push on.
What does he tell you? But doesn't quite find any targets to hit. Can they try to grab on him?
Zaitz looks for the avalanche but hopefully he can ever just jump away. Getting down a range of
this each and every time with the tumblers toy. They're going to try and chase on. If he
catch him with the wheel laid down. He's not gonna get clicked by it. He's
able to get the BKB off, continue to run. And that's so is there. The PMA!
Scrapped the two of them still into the cataclysm. It's Ace and Nisha dead.
Navi strike back. They'll find Tophu. Nisha well in the trees. Nisha spent...
He bought a fresher. They saw that right. They would have seen that.
I think they did. Well, pretty sure they saw it. Okay well Navi may have
made a bit of a blunder down bottom but Liquid run it down mid but not
in the good way. They just lose three of their heroes and Lee shows you say he's not got buyback.
He's out for 70 seconds and you know he's going to know that. They're going to know that if they
check the inventory so they're up to the high ground. They can get a lot of damage done here.
They take the bullets pretty quickly. They know he's not got buyback.
Mika, it's going to try his best to try and hold them back. That will be the buyback
coming out from A.C. The only one they have right now in Liquid. Get the three man back
to the coach as well. Box is gonna be able to help trap them all. The box comes out here from Riddies, keeps the PMA safe from any further follow-up.
Got the juicers got complete freedom to clean up the mid-racks. They absolutely want to stick around for more though.
Still 40 seconds, no mixture in the game. It's Navi. They'll be able to pick up two sets of parrots here by the looks of it.
Can they try from Box? It's still 30 seconds. They still got the juices. He's saying absolutely. His BKB is ready to press.
There's no Razor.
Can Liquid do anything here?
They've got the fortification back up, so we'll pop it.
15 seconds still, no Razor.
Liquid, do they want to try and start something 4 versus 5?
They're gonna keep dropping.
There's the Hex with the boxes there.
Two man vacuuming of the cogs.
Sonic Wave comes out, but again,
Navi's able to step back this time.
He gave me his pop by got the juice.
They turn with the deafening blast. Clean up Boxy.
He's able to get Ace as one.
That's another hero I did with our buyback.
Oh my goodness, they got so much from that phone
So yeah, that's to go from sort of making that era around the ages fight down bottom
To then a liquid making an even bigger era running down mid. We should not have him buy back my goodness
Look at how's the tail? It really does it doesn't matter about what happened on that bottom lane liquid
Just basically just handed it back to Navi and said oh you three your lead
Take it back, and they certainly do. They're back into the base. They're looking to clean up the mega creeps.
It's a minute with our ace now on Liquid.
Look at their hex on him, got the juice, but he's forced away.
Miki's going to still try and run him down, but that's what's there.
PMA's got the lock down, got the juice, turns with the damage, but Miki's got down, Miki's just gone again.
Out for 100 no buyback, Miki will be able to clean up, got the juice on PMA,
but Xayas with the combo at the side, catches Tofu.
What a one.
And Miku at least have the backup from Boxing in a few seconds, but he's just the two of them.
And Miku's in with the push Miku.
He's gonna jump forward now.
The fire comes out from Triceridice, lays down the wheel.
They put the space to lock down Miku.
Clean up the final set of racks.
Cataclysm's coming in.
But as Boxing Miku low, Miku will jump out of the combo.
With a tornado from Miku, Miku still clips him.
Miku goes for the TPI, he's away.
They get the mega creeps.
Miku gets out alive.
My goodness, Liquid.
Liquid they are gonna be so shaken up after that really at least we'll get clipped at the side here by the battery
Assault burst by the sonic wave
But they've been mega creep folk are they liquid was gonna be scratching their heads and said what the heck happened in those last few minutes
I think most of us will all the way them just going for high ground the initial first lasso doesn't catch
Then they get a second up like a double lasso from PM and two back-to-back times
Absolutely insane now they play this mega so and they still have crazy teamfighters we see but Nisha
just runs in and dies doesn't get anything off needs more protection
Wow, this is the one of the crazier
Seats like the five minutes. I think I've seen in some time and we had rapier exchanges the other day
Now be
Seeing those final moments here on the push just getting the job done
Getting the final set of parents get in the mega creeps. Did you see that there make actually getting a bit lucky?
I think the building protected him from getting it pushed into the wheel that would have maybe controlled and killed him so
Back to this 20k lead and back with the mega creeps
How much gold did they just get on?
Nobby as well to get a look at how much items they just got right full moonshark for ta
I believe almost a hex for the ringmaster a wind waker plus me know the fire inside
They just got so much gold because of the entire secret, so Liquid tripped up heavily.
They haven't even really gotten to use Nisha's refreshers.
He literally...actually I think he just...
Yeah, not a tool, right? Yeah.
I think he just used...oh, by accident.
He just pressed it!
What?!
What?!
What?!
They just...oh!
Oh, oh, oh!
Ah!
What the hell?
He has Eye of the Storm active, and he has Eye of the Storm...
But he took the farm.
Whatever.
Dude, that's not what...you done...you done...
You done, you done refresh.
No, no, no. Oh, that means that's a
That's a bit of a nice fight. That really is.
If it's in the next two minutes, he won't have the double link, double die, double BKB, etc.
So, yeah, this is some sort of just curse for fresh shit that he's picked up and it picks it up.
Doesn't have buyback.
Now it's just been popped and he's not going to even get the chance to probably use it.
If Navi bring him a fight in the next two minutes and Navi, a very good work placed by Riddies.
Scouting on Nicky.
Here comes Navi.
PMA's been finding some excellent lassoes so far.
Yeah, I'm way more, I'm much more for the batrider than the Phoenix,
even if the game doesn't get snipping in the early game,
it just has the BKB piercing lockdown that's so powerful.
It's been so, yeah, that one time where they're able to reflect
with the loads is but other than that, PMA's been able to solidly get the jump.
And without any counter play.
Liquid.
They just have to be clustered around now. They can't really split up, can't let Navi get these opportunities.
I mean, it's dangerous also to just be too clumped up, because you can get double lassoed every time.
See how they approach the next fights.
Blinkdagger on Tofu too, so he really wants to get that position. He's also hit 20.
The very strong golems with the agonins. We did see them come into play over there.
Waiting for the Roche.
constant pressure on the lanes from these megas
I'm how good so it quits line up with dealing with the mega creeps
I would say actually not one of the better ones
not the best no dark shear does not really I guess it's like quap and raise
are okay the supports don't really either so
I wouldn't say it's one of the best playing games
or she's up they know do they go for the steel liquid they might have to at
this point
Zayac, he is ready in here
Okay
Zayac make that three
They get three kills bases indeed in trouble
So they'll have to quickly back off the tbs to try and deal with that still back over the Royce pit
Popsie and Nisha, they've sort of been left on the road.
Nisha, he's off to the juice, they've got the juice!
He tries to go all in for that play, he just jumps in and dies, Vult!
What?
Boost, that was so risky!
I was like, oh, does he have a, like, a cheat?
Wait, he doesn't have anything.
No, he just felt that he could maybe kill Nisha in that sort of one we wanted, but...
No, no, no, well...
Well, that's a big wonder, they just fought four heroes, I mean, this game is insane, what is it?
This game is getting pretty crazy.
No, no, but we're all for it. We're all for it here.
Entertainment value going through the roof. We love it.
Hey, now, they have 70 seconds.
They can, Roche is going to shift.
It is.
They don't kill it as fast, obviously, as vs T8.
Honestly, they set up from Liquid, indeed.
That was, you know, the fact that Navi didn't lose kind of like three or four,
or sure they lose the two there,
but got the juice actually gets the chance to get out.
And just quick heads up, you know, Liquid,
They were prepared to get back in health with the defense from the the ancient and the tier 4s, right?
They don't want to let those go down quite yet to the mega creeps.
Oh, Niku! Oh my god.
Risky.
They're kind of living on the edge.
Oh, they've gone again.
Even though they've got these mega creeps against Liquid.
Liquid is still shaking them up.
25 seconds.
I mean, they're gonna kill the absolute fastest. I think they've got a time.
Yeah, they're getting it.
I can't even know if he can make it over.
I mean, does he...
He does have buybacks, so it could go for the crazy play.
It did pretty low.
They'll drop down the wheels, and I can see him, but it's already been done.
Mikke's up and picking the edges.
Cataclysm comes in, burst through A's.
At the side of the hex.
Cataclysm's out of the tidy.
Nisha's in trouble.
He's out.
And now they can try and turn towards Mikke.
Mikke's surrounded, caught by the roof.
They killed the edges out of him.
So they can set up for round two here.
I swolced down, holed up as well.
If they've got any further capture, he comes out of that, you know, just put by him a chance to get the bling off up to the high ground, they'll chase him forward, top through here, try to back him up, he'll get the chance to turn with a solid wave, that's going to be going through in trouble.
Mikke turns, cleans up the two of them, gets the double kill.
Holy sh- Riddies is just able to tee the up, but it's three down on Na'Vi, of course still, Liquid got ace desperately protecting the ancient.
Mikke, he's away again with the bling, they could have won and they would have got the juice. Tofu bailing him out big time with the glimmer.
Damage has been done in the base. They've lost the tier 4s, but again, they're fighting back and in that situation it's
right now, Mikkei is getting chased down. The Eon disc, letting him get that blink up to the high ground, gives him the chance to turn.
You know, Mikkei does not continue to run. He knows he could turn, Sonic Wave, and get additional kills out of that trade.
It came up literally at that exact second. Literally as they were going up the high ground, you could see the cooldown timer.
We'll see it eventually, but Aynesha is dying 100 to 0. He's getting caught by these cannons, but Mikkei is cleaning up.
He is doing a lot of fights.
He really is.
Take that blast of it.
Doesn't quite get the catch on Mikkei though.
Mikkei is the one they've got to be worried about.
Back in the game, Juice.
First Mikkei.
We've got the Juice trying to finish Mikkei off, but he's away with the blink again.
And the golems want to top up the Juice. They're causing issues.
He's got to run away. The box will come out.
Gonna try and turn himself off the golems.
We'll manage to clean up the two of them.
But now, Mikkei, he's ready to come back in.
Bibac into the TP is gonna be there from Niku.
Niku mails out, returns with a Sonic way,
Kachou looks weird, then he kills the juice off.
Does die in return though, but he has the luxury of Bibac, Niku.
Hey, Niku, this is a dangerous Bibac from Niku.
Really feeling like he had to to protect Gath of the Juice.
Now he's not gonna have it potentially if they catch him.
Oh boy.
This game is nuts.
This game is absolutely crazy.
These team fights are so crazy with how much damage people are taking too
with the Lotus Reflects and everything too.
Next time there won't be a double lasso unless PMA is able to finish up that refresher since you did have it from earlier
It's pretty close. I mean at that point though. Are you spending up and risking the buyback? You probably kind of have to save for it shoulder
Especially because you're invited to have it. Yeah, I think for PMA you save it
I think Radies can buy out though because it's a full hex and it's just too impactful. So I think that's fine
And this game is truly delivering this is absolutely insane the graph is absolutely crazy
how back and forth it is, the team fight.
Never know who's really gonna take the fight.
I'm looking at Nisha, I actually was thinking maybe he also wants an Aeon disc, this Aeon since it's very valuable.
It's a Nikkei, it lives like five times.
It's been a long time. It really has.
Just allowing him to reset, get that blink off, always get kind of multiple sonic waves off in these team fights as well.
He's been doing incredible amounts of damage, like the damage him is gonna be pretty crazy from this quad.
Quad and, I mean quad and blow-lock.
You can't laugh on the fatal bond. The fatal bond is going to be potentially double fatal bond quad golem coming up
Yeah, these fights are gonna be pretty wild to keep track of lots of saves lots of little little things too like this
Nullifier to I've been trying to watch science if you can get the nullifier to spell these aeons
But it's just not been the case for speaking. There's a lot of elements to these team fights
And also this day's game, the buybacks are very, very important.
Is it just going to be the case that Na'Vi, they don't do anything crazy for the next
six minutes whilst they wait for that buyback to come back online for Niku?
Might be the case.
They are getting buybacks available on almost everybody else, but Riddies has bought the
The Hex and Hezbibeck, they're gathering lotuses as well.
Getting self-prepared for their next potential play that maybe just a wild fight.
No, maybe not even around a rush, it feels like.
He's in crazy fights.
With the Mega Creep situation still, are Liquid likely able to get out on the map
and try and find Niku before he has Bioback again?
Possible. It's still difficult, but possible, because Nisha has boots of travel too.
So he can do the, you know, he deals with the waves and then joins in.
I'll be smoked up
It's risky it's risky they don't have to buy back on rip on
Niko yeah, it's all it's eyes on Niko. He's got to survive as long as possible
He does have a lot of detentive tools with win later
Okay, what we're knowing is what it both supports also our little Sean the gold riddies and ziats
Ready to have it out
It's a refresher on Tophu. Double fatal bomb, double goal and ready to come.
Right to kill it.
Yeah, that's a lot.
You want to see this warlock, but it's very difficult to get to the back line without Tophu's play with a blink as well.
So it's almost impossible to get to him.
So that mid game portion where they were able to find him a few times,
but kind of since that Tophu's been pretty hot with his position
and even if they do catch him, just 100 got away from the buyback.
buyback so we'll be able to make that buyback play happen.
Get back in, drop these golems down.
And of course, yeah, 25, it's gonna be so many golems.
The golems from the cast, the character offering,
the golems from the 25.
I'm just gonna have two sets of that.
So gotta watch out for Tofu.
Again, I feel like I've just gotta wait for these buybacks.
I don't think they can go for the high ground push.
It's dangerous.
It truly is.
It's just so much one ball combo
that Liquid does have.
So if you just make one wrong step,
get four man vacuum double combo.
You're probably all just dead, so...
See how Navi wants to approach it.
Like you said, just waiting for buybacks.
PMA commits for refresh here.
He's 800 gold away.
They're keeping liquid contained.
That's always the power of Magus, right?
As you play the containment game, you farm the map.
You're gonna be getting a little...
A good amount more gold than the opposing team.
And those neutrals, three minutes.
I guess I'm crazy. I imagine it on Niku right? Are you looking for the decent glove right?
Get that extra AOE on the cataclysms? Of course. Yeah. That would be pretty crazy right?
You know that with the AOE for the glight in there it's like you're probably getting
hit by quite a few of those. There's just nothing. I mean it's that
you just take some like book of the deads because like the possibility of them
just doing this kind of like rap play with book of the dead four spirits is
there too but yeah actually the zoom always feels incredible on all these
protesters so they're chill on it up maximizing double-eye squall
thinking to do as much as possible to keep that gold growing and growing
so that big big pickups make a refreshers about to be done for him
too and the burst combos are gonna be I mean this is gonna be so crazy
Navi can't get caught. The big thing for Navi is you can't get caught in a 3-4 man kind of combo.
They have to get the catch of themselves ideally.
At least for team fights. Obviously they still have disadvantage because of the map pressure constantly here.
There's a combo for the show, man.
Juice? I saw he is switching a little bit in terms of his build.
He does have a satanic, so potentially can live even after a BKB, and he is queuing up right here.
I love it. We all do. We all love a bit of Divine Rape in these kind of games. It's you
know again at this point right it's all about getting that jump burst kill. Obviously it's
not super clean cut because buybacks are there right. So even if you do get him with
this rape here it's not kind of like we got the kill we've won the game. It's not
that clean cut it it can be counteracted and it can absolutely be a risk but
we'll see if he gets it still a bit of time for him to assess if he wants to
sell something get that into his item build I don't know if it's necessary I
don't know what do you think I want to see it because it's fun I don't know if
he has to admit everything's execution basically feels like I don't know no
right when we're off sides the heck still comes in a follow-up into the
Boxing guys really trying to get him out of there Mickey's gonna make the jump for it
But for everything one of the tiny came up with an after comes in
Can it clear for the raining down the pond then the bus comes through
Misha take it out liquid they've got tophi dropping the goal is for boxy and Asia
And summer double Niku gets the triple kill the last going on towards Mickey's every get the refresher off to get the blanket play
But Niku finds it with the tornado the north back from the flay break
Niku
Triple kill for Niku
As the buybacks are coming out here,
Got the juice he's found Boxy at the side.
As a dieback of Boxy,
Nisha with the static link that will drain the damage
and the life of Got the juice.
Ace, he's got the vacuum on towards PMA.
Liquid, they're not getting as much as they can
with these buybacks.
The PMA as well, triple kill for Nisha.
You know, Niku might have come in
with the explosive entrance to the team fight
with that cataclysm combo.
Liquid will manage to punch back.
It cost them four buybacks.
It's a very expensive punch back, but they're ready to charge down the lane now with the golems the base
Niku
This is this risk
Well, I don't know if he was gonna finish the game there. I appreciate that he went for it
But he is very very good. Okay. He's got buyback in a few seconds. Let's have it back up. So he went for it
Didn't get it
This game now it's gonna continue. It's all the buybacks used they landed the literal dream
game cataclysm double meteor play killing Nisha. He lived with a fraction of HP and actually
died to the wheel afterwards. But great connection at the start of things. Five buybacks. They
tried to disengage. But got the juice actually did not by the way. The way that he got caught
he was actually in really deep I think going through the throne. Gets caught gives a full
link and that's when Nisha is able to kind of charge through after the buyback and get
some cleanup kills. I'm 60 minutes.
This is phenomenal right now you just wait for the respawns and you just run it back.
You just go for round 2 and if you're able to, round 2 is cleanly just around 1.
You might be able to just blow this one up.
Zyat's just gonna get found.
Trying to escape it with a win way to go.
If it's for the TP, won't make it out though.
Damage is done, Zyat's will fall.
Well, they're not gonna be able to fight as 10 versus 5.
They're gonna have to play versus an Aegis Cheever pressure too.
So it's not gonna be as straight forward with the buybacks either.
They can use that as a vision.
It's still a very very fragile position for liquid to be in the right for sure not having these four buybacks
One more solid fight solid combo for Navi and Navi will be able to close this game up like it is also a little see victory
Right?
Have I do so I think they could just end the game
Just smoke up and hit the ancient honestly ignore a circuit
They don't want to know if they will kill him off and I'll tell you what, and again his buybacks will cool down
So Ace is gonna be gone for good. He's out for 125 seconds
Hey, that's massive. I thought they were honestly
I thought I think because he showed they were prepared
I think they were considering bypassing because they do kill this throne unbelievably fast with that rider plus da
Nisha finishes the Russia just the ages gets the pickups
Okay
What else are you all right? Thank you. I can
It's kind of just hit the front. I don't know if we can stop them all
They have Crimson God now, Topu Bar one. So they have a way to protect it.
So I would normally say yes, but this Crimson has so many games now that it blocks a good chunk of that damage.
But they might think about it. I'm watching them.
90 seconds, no ace.
Are you sure happy to show at the front now that he has that aid just picked up?
He's still haven't picked up the neutrals. Oh, that's true. In 60 minutes, they're not even thinking about it.
They're thinking about that lock in.
The jump's going to be there. They're going to get the hits from the hook shot on over to one PMA.
Sonic Wayne follows up onto the two of them. Got the juice.
He's going to get the golems dropped down on top of them, but he's able to take it.
He's draining a lot of damage here with the statically.
Nisha's going to try to keep the average, will stop him, and indeed they're trying to close it up.
Niku, pop in the BKB, trying to focus the ancient, finish off the jump,
but the Crimson Guard's there behind Sun Safety for the ancient.
Is it enough? It is not. They'll close the game up.
The Crimson Guard, not enough to stop Navi there on that final push as Navi, 63 minutes in, take the game.
And my goodness, what a game.
What a game that one absolutely just stepped up to be.
Incredible back and forth.
Liquid climbing their way back in, holding on with the mega creeps.
But Navi, they found their way out of the game this time.
And my goodness, the combos and the plays.
And again, they just, it's so entertaining, right?
because they're doing it in a fashion,
but we just don't see other games do it.
You know, other teams do it.
This kind of bat rider play from PMA.
Fantastic.
13, 10 and 24, those Lassoes are a huge part.
That's the biggest part, really,
is setting up for Neekuch just absolutely destroy
these fights with these cataclysms from.
Yeah, I think a lot of this game, honestly,
it's not going to be doing high risk, high reward.
This time it pays off.
A couple of them, it didn't.
But in this game overall, it absolutely does.
That was honestly one of the funner games
in terms of team fights to follow.
Cataclysms all over.
double Lassos, etc. with wall vacuums. I am ready for a treat, I went to watch. We really
are. We really are. We're hoping this grand final is going to step up to give us some exciting
moments and we've just got to have a lot of them in that game too. Navi, they'll take
game two here in this best of five against Team Liquid.
Niku, well done on that victory that was half-fought, brings this series to 1-1.
Were you nervous at any point or was that all part of the plan?
Not really, but overall, nice.
Good stuff. Talk to me about Got The Juice because he had a pretty good game.
What's it like playing with him as a carry? Can you rely on him or do you communicate a lot? What's the deal there?
I mean, I was a bit passenger in last game, so he just was using some strikes.
Like, I'm in game, but overall, I'm passenger. So it was just a bit carry.
to get an ultra kill don't forget that um also pma on the bat rider great
performance do you think bat rider is going to be a hero we see again
in this series maybe maybe i cannot tell you oh everyone's
going to ban this hero come on of course of course all right well
anyway back to the panel good luck in the next game
yeah he's not wrong but he can't really tell us exactly if this bat rider is
gonna get let through but if it does and if it goes on PMA again let me tell you
hopefully we get another game like this because the way it played out
Navi can't keep getting away with it okay like the fact that they could keep
doing these ancient pushes the way they do it I just don't get it. We've learned
one thing though from this game that Navi defeat Lyquid they have to try and
invite Lyquid to play Navi's game they have to invite them into the chaos to
open the door create these moments because both teams they had moments
that they could win then they gave it back to the opponent so I think this
the chaos, the fight, the constant skirmish, the back and forth.
Nobby needs to try and replicate this.
Yeah, I totally agree. I think this is absolutely Nobby's style.
I think they're making a lot of fans right now in the series because this team is hilarious and exciting to watch.
I don't know what they're doing half the time, but they're winning.
They're being some of the best teams in the world.
These guys are crazy and they're crazy good.
It's like it's just watching players with no filter.
Like, they just go, they don't like secondary think, okay, what can they do?
No, they're just gonna go and make it happen.
Like, God the Juice, he's in. Like, it doesn't matter.
It's like he's playing Ursa with ages in every fight, but he's a TA without ages.
Like I will say this team is crazy entertaining, and this was a banger of a game.
I mean the fact that Narvi, we're just watching Hades and the meeting smashed in some fights,
but then you go to the next one, and they're trying again, they're going again.
Like they are so resilient, and oh yeah, it is, again, a treat to watch in this game.
They're definitely a very tenacious team, but they also don't have to be.
They have the lead in most of these engagements,
And yeah, it is just a down to execution in the long run there and we're watching some POVs.
This is it. This is the final moment where they just fall in full buybacks and sense.
Yeah, and you gotta give a lot of props to Liquid, right? They were against the mega creep for some
time, but they kept finding these fights out on the map, getting these pickups, delaying
Navi's ability to walk down the lane, poke out a glyph reset and just win the game, right? So,
again, the experience of Liquid is what enabled them to kind of keep this game going for as
long as it did. Yeah, I mean, I do love from Navi that they understand how to close
the game out when you have mega creeps. It's not about winning a team fight, it's not about killing
all the heroes. You force glyph, and then you hit the throne with your eyes closed, and they
understand this. They got the glyph out, and they take some random fight, but it's all just a bait.
Niko goes to the throne, they spam buybacks, and they right click the throne. You're screaming,
and you're like, do not hit a hero. You hit the building, that's all you hit. I mean,
if you need this team to go for a risky play, trust me, they've got it under control. They
will do it. I mean, it's even like Niko and Invoker, he's TPing into the ancient,
whilst his team's dead, and it's like, why is he doing this? And then you realize,
I can his death then enables tea to not buy back in the mentee's alive and liquid scared
So again, it looks chaotic and crazy in the moment
But Navi at least in this moment
They did understand the assignment of how to win against mega creeps
Okay, let's talk about Niku a little bit because he said that he's he was just a passenger in this game
He's like yeah, it was pretty much everyone else PMA got the juice
They were the ones that was doing a lot and I was just a passenger how truthful is that and how much of it?
Is that down to like being self critical? I think it's kind of true
I think like Invoker is always a bit of a passenger-princess 30 minutes
Yeah, sitting around his cast in Sunstrikes. It's like that part is very true
I think eventually he locked in and was like a huge part of these fights
But for the first 30-45 minutes, I think this game is on the supports on PA man got the juice
I think all four of them cooked like crazy. They were in the kitchen frying pans walks and all kinds of stuff
I mean they had a lot of cool places like also
I think the way that this around they played the mid game and how they played together with the heroes was a
Lot better than in game one. I think they had like less moments where they're like super split and like letting liquid
do crazy things so I think Navi definitely set that up for the second
game. He did 76,000 damage on Invoker like the most of his team like that's not
really too much of a passenger but again cataclysm he does go yeah and then so it's
like it goes from one click into double click exactly so it's like passenger
gameplay but not passenger damage. Alright we can all agree then on just how
much Nika really did but we can also talk about what Navi did in the
earlier parts of this because you kind of you know vaguely mentioned it
there Kessit it was a much cleaner game in the earlier part for them
They cannot help themselves, though, when it does come to team fights and all-inning,
but we can't look at all the best moments from the earlier part, too.
Yeah, I mean, these guys are just kind of crazy, I think, right?
Like, is it even this clip?
Yeah, it's like, I think, I don't even know exactly, like, you're looking at one of these, like, power dives early,
and I think the way Liquid get about this is just quite good.
Like, they move to me, they get this kill onto, like, Nisha.
The Bat TP here is so critical, right?
It's critical.
If he doesn't TP in, then I think Liquid can start kind of snowballing some of these kills,
and then show the Razor dies but like you need to get that additional cleanup and I think PMA on the Batrider just naturally created a lot of these
Opportunities for Navi to lean on like with their lineup if you don't have that one solid guy
Leading the charge. I think they could get a little bit lost with their heroes
But he just kept finding the last of his route this entire game. No, I mean, it's it's honestly enormous
I think so many of these fights were just on like the bleeding edge
This one is you can't even tell really who it favors like Batrider comes in they get a couple comeback kills
They get this much needed XP and supports, but then they lose double wisdom runs after and I felt like that was the story of so
Much of this game not just the early game
But also throughout where like I don't know one team strikes and then they strike back a little bit
And there's like this constant ebb and flow and I think that's why it was such an exciting game is because I think oftentimes
When you see teams being really dominate
It's just a blow out they get the smallest advantage and they just slowly but surely eke out an advantage
And then the game is just over but neither of these teams is playing like that
They're playing all psycho mode and it's it's very fun
Yeah, there's like very little resetting outside between the teams right like you're saying there's one little thing like one to be some cool
Done you make the next play even if you die you're gonna respawn you go to the next fight
So both teams I just want to see them continue to play this way because I think it's necessary
Like to play against your opponent here. I mean someone's probably gonna be critical there
You know in chat like well, this is not the cleanest odor, you know, but it doesn't
I mean, I feel like we've seen teams when they play this clean doder and they just win tournaments, right?
But I again for now
It wasn't against you.
No, no, no, I realized what you said just now.
There's this world where I feel like this is the type of Dota that I personally love watching.
It doesn't need to be this perfect game.
I think for Na'Vi, they aren't at a point where they can play a perfect game.
I don't think it's in the will house of a team.
So it's like, again, as we started this analysis, for them to win this tournament,
they need to create these opportunities and moments that Liquid fool victim to now suddenly playing Na'Vi's game.
It needs to be the most silly of games for Navi to win.
No, I 100% agree.
And I think there's many points in this game where they're connecting all the right heroes
and they're just bringing the numbers to these exchanges.
There's this fight here where they go on the Queen
and they just cast all their spells insanely well.
They barely get the 100 to 0.
There's this kiting back and forth.
Like the fight is a mess, but they bring all the numbers
and they win off a raw skill.
Like when you hear people talk about these players,
like, you know, because they say it's not about the cohesion,
it's not the cleanness.
It's the fact that they are just individually skilled
and they are a team. They trust each other and they just commit and I think that is what is so special about them like the
Game with this point is on a nice edge and these these fights that are just ah
Just barely could toss barely misses dark sir slips away
He dies to the trap at the end of the fight is randomly there like that feels like the story of these two teams
And I completely agree and I think they need to keep drafting for it as well
Picking heroes that can take longer fights that enjoy the skirmishes that enjoy the chaos and they got the juice soak up the
on a big mega mega net worth every game and that's why also like we haven't
really spoken about Riddies at all right now but here on the ringmaster in that
clip there just to kind of keeping the fire alive and even previous clips where
like he dodges a hook right with the illusion at the tokens or whatever so I
feel like Riddies on the ringmaster like kind of popping off as well so yeah
where would you rank it in all the ringmaster as we've seen this tournament
I'll say top two yeah top two that game specifically had the vibes of it
could have been a first place quite easily yeah so you're pushing
I know you're listening, Chris, so unfortunately, Rudy's, he overtakes you, you know, like, you know, grand finals this. That's it. Okay. I mean, are you pulling that stuff? The grand finals credit words, you know? Yeah, but outside of that, great.
that create. Let's give some more credit where it's due and that's a look good. I'm
going to spend this positively being able to take advantage of Navi not really having a
discipline bone in their body this fight specifically. Why does Navi when they hit
like the 19 to 23 minute mark of the game do they want to eat themselves into this
weird position they have them in the last game at the Roshan they have this 19 minute
blunder here as well they they initiate the fight they think they have a good
But then they just kind of keep going, right? Of course, we praise PMA on the backriders for like the early game, even the late game, but I think unfortunately for Na'Vi, it's every game they play, it's one of those type of mistakes.
And then because of that, it creates this like back and forth. Other teams probably wouldn't make those mistakes, they'd just be cleaner, and then we see out like a good game from them utilizing TA, but again, it's just kind of in the Na'Vi DNA.
They're going to have one of these moves per game.
I fully agree, I will say on the other hand, because it's like a mixture, Navi is very evident, they throw quite a lot, and they will jump every opportunity that they get, but I think it's also like liquid, they're in this position, they're placing this high ground ward, they have the buyback available on Tufus, so it's like, they're kind of like making it happen, so it's like a, it's liquid creating the situation because Navi, like because they fight it, and it's, I will say this is one of the moves that, you know, we've critiqued them before, I mean, Boxy has a crazy good, like that, he gets to run it and push out the TA with the headband, and then Ace has a super touch vacuum here, and then Ace has a super touch vacuum here, and then Ace has a super touch vacuum here, and then Ace has a super touch vacuum here, and then Ace has a super touch vacuum here, and then Ace has a super touch vacuum
that they get to steal it. But my boys Navi, like he is saying, when they've got the opportunity to throw, they kind of make it happen.
Like here, again, you're hitting Roche, you've got to be careful about how you let them engage.
But my boys later on, you know, they're learning from their mistakes within the game, and they make it happen.
I do think Roche fights are maybe one of their biggest weaknesses when Liquid have toolkits to scout.
It was that win-and-ranger powershot in Game 1. It's the rocker player from Clockwork in Game 2.
Yeah, they are allergic to the pit. It's...
It is a problem. It's crazy. Yeah, no. Yeah, I don't know how to really word it in that regard, so they're struggling.
And I think it's not just the pit, I think it's also those hill spots, like I think that's the place where they threw in game one and also the place where they threw there in the game two.
I think when you, like it's a classic that Spirit always does, where they ward up this hill, they drag you in really, really deep and then they're out to love to use buybacks and use lots and lots of spells.
And I think Liquid has been doing that very well and I think Navi is biting on it way too much. It's something you have to learn over time that this spot is for botans.
Like you stay away from this area and I think they still need to learn that lesson that whenever they're baiting on this hill area
Holy moly, it's the death trap. Yeah, you got to be very careful
And that's also one thing I need to critique about liquid afterwards because when you look at itemization is very very crucial
And he talked about you know, the darkseer pig in the draft because it was very important also like for liquid to have it
I don't think that this is the correct choice
The way you need to think about items not just are they good against my enemies what matters more is how will they interact?
TA is not a hero that shows up to early fights. You're gonna be fighting against the invoker, the ringmaster, the tiny and the bad writer.
So I think the first item Crimson Guard absolutely needs to be a pipe, because the TA, he's just farming.
Like TA isn't gonna fight you until like minute 18, 19, she has the first ages.
And also your heroes were very good at dealing with the TA.
So if you just pipe up your team, you know, your razor can go on the TA and kind of take out the hero that way.
So you definitely need to like understand why you're picking the hero and what's the best way of using it.
Not just the hero itself, but the gold for the items.
The thing with that though is like if you buy us the pipe you probably win better fights
But then the clip that we saw that Navi threw because he had the grease in the crimson
He survived long enough to actually then change it around because here was in line that point
But I do agree it's like kind of you need to find the the line in which pipe opens the early game crimson's your mid game
And again, it's easy to debate between the two items push for sure
And it's also a question of if you get that pipe instead of the crimson is was the doxy doing well enough that he could
buy these items sequentially without being stalled out or was his game kind of shut down
from Navi enough that he really did need to make a critical choice. I mean if you look back I think
at like the mid game and the fights that happened I think they lost to like the magic damage the
bad right of running it down like you saw that. You think that change would have definitely actually
motivated the Dark Seas game even more. I think that's why he's poor. There would be different
fights for sure. I mean they'd have been dragging himself into other engagements right so yeah.
Alright. Well Fraser, they want to bar you. Well good pick up there Kesson.
That's why we keep them around. That's why he's here in the grand finals. Our grand finals is going to be continuing as well. It's the best of five now tied off. Wanna peace.
So I think we had a lot of experience in these type of games from our team, like gaming.
I think actually we were the best team back then to play late in these types of scenarios.
I think we had the second longest game in history in the gaming.
That was over two hours long, two and a half or some shit.
We learned a lot from this game and I thought a lot about it and we also talked a lot about it.
So I think that gave us a nice edge in the story.
Yesterday on the way back, Will and the guys were also saying
When they used to play us, they were hoping to survive until minute 40 because our late
game is weaker compared to other teams because we had this thing of we end games rather quick
on average.
There's very long game scenarios though, like this two-hour game that we had where we
looked into it in a very detailed way and it's like, how do you force your way out
of very long games and can you just end the game so we put a lot of work into that there's where like
you know yesterday the gyro was like omega fat and we couldn't really fight anymore we just like
figured out the next way what if we don't need to fight and we just end the game
I think same way as like any opponent I think like the night before uh I mean it's mostly
too for in Blitz right now like preparing grass and like talking for like some hours
maybe one hour, maybe a bit more, and some people can chip in.
And then, yeah, we just talk it over.
The same as always.
This is not anything more special.
It's a final, but I feel like you achieve it every game, the same.
I think especially in this tourney so far, because it's only one series a day,
we have a lot of time to prepare every evening.
We're preparing drafts, thinking about possible scenarios
to be prepared on whatever pick comes up.
There's always like different variables and like random heroes that might pop up
But I think we're like confident playing against this team now
About them specifically don't think we treat him any different
It's more like fun and cool because we play against CY our ultimate
there's a lot of difference between CY and Blitz as coach like I
think CY is a bit more focused on like some gameplay stuff and
And he's like very open-minded and like he really likes like weird stuff or like non-meta stuff
Where bliss is a bit more he wants like more structure solid stuff. I think to me that like a biggest difference probably
Now I think overall there's like main difference
Let's also mainly focused on on draft specifically where we have like multiple coaches and liquid even at three in the past
And I think it's also, there's not a meta or standard way in coaching where everyone has individual preferences or things that he focuses on more.
But also, like, what does a team need? Like, what personalities are within the team? Do you need more a leader, a drafter, someone helping with gameplay, someone to hype you up, or like a shoulder to cry on?
It's like everyone's different individually.
that you want to make and in game number two they were more than eager to give the trade of bat and razor
did not work out in their favor and now with Ben being first pick are they going to be able to create the same situation
where we have a trade between a bat and a razor?
Probably so.
I mean it's not man either of them just yet.
Yeah I mean Navi had priority come into this draft they chose second pick so they're trying to run back the game too and yep
Like you just mentioned that is pretty much going to be the the main question between the band and the Razer
I feel like liquid will take the bath this game though if that trade does occur. I think so too
I'm a bit surprised they didn't last game
I think that was a bit of a mistake and I think when you watch the game play out
It felt like it was just easier for Navi to play
What is up with this disruptor ban? The barrel sucks. They just beat it. I feel like ban is like bizarre
is
the
Goal to pick up button disruptor. They believe is that counter to try and
negate his game
It is historically good against Batrider. Yes
But I just don't know like I think the power levels of the heroes are like so off
Yeah, that is so strong and disruptor so weak that I think sometimes the like historical counters don't translate because the
The power levels of the heroes is too off
I mean I think not he's probably fine with it the raises of flex you've got it on second
pick so you can flex it till the end and I mean that's it that's it that's the only
civil lighting you could find for them I mean it's like all the things we talked about
the prior the prior draft right like there are intricacies between these heroes I think
It's not totally one-sided. I think you can kind of see that last game
I think overall that is better against Razor, but it's not black-and-white
I mean now the I guess the disruptor I mean, I'm also a bit torn between it
I mean Navi played very well. Maybe they didn't want to give them like the combo off, you know the
Razor plus disruptor or like weaver plus disruptor like to lane into the bad after but yeah
I will say I was like slightly favor liquid at least like on this trade
But like when was saying you can build auras
I think Razor if you play him from the offline as well
He can like buy Lotus orb which that item nearly won the last game for liquid on like a very clutch like double last of moments
So there are some positives of course
I mean for now they're opening up the next phase
You could argue because of the chapter ban for ready's at least say you're looking towards warlock other heroes
If he's playing we'll just get eaten alive by an offline Batrider
So you can't I kind of pushing them in a certain direction like taking away some of their aggressive potential, but
I also wouldn't be opposed just to seeing the warlock just chill, you farm, got the juice
now two games in a row has just been top net worth, the Shadowfiend game into the TA game
so like there is no argument on if the carry of Navi is able to kind of get into the early
game.
Yeah man I think we definitely need a better answer for a bad writer of this game.
We saw the qualifier last game which I admit he was absolutely owning, but I think
whenever you pick magic damage only carry it does weird things to your draft and
And I think it's a playstyle that not a lot of teams are accustomed to.
Now we've seen God of Juice play QWC before, so it's definitely not out of the question.
But you don't want to feed him these comeback kills.
That was the biggest thing that came back in the game, is they overdive sometimes, back
TP to get some comeback kills, because his lane was very bad.
I mean I still want to see potential heroes, like the Largo and Weaver, I think are
still pretty good heroes for both sides.
You know yesterday when we watched Navi, they also did the hood ring out of phase.
I think T was you that mentioned that, I mean Zayac is one of the few ranged
heroes that he does play.
So overall, I think just a good opener out of phase.
It's going to be able to play into the map, it's going to be aggressive, it's going to have
kind of the same storyline as the last game, right, basically to kind of keep poking and
then kind of pushing your limits, but I'm not convinced as of yet, the next couple of
picks need to kind of lock in Nervy's draft right now.
Yeah, I mean it's definitely like, what we get is not particularly good against Batrider,
it's just, it just gives you like a skirmish sort of pairing with Razor.
I mean what I do like about it is that it can play in and out and you can play longer fights.
I really looked for that from Navi's draft. I think you need lower cooldown spells or just the
ability to skirmish and fight, the ability to bring numbers. You're already playing as Warlock
and Batrider so you know the fighting is coming, the magic damage the spells and you need to be
able to clash with that because if you can't then eventually you'll start getting picked
off by Batrider and I can tell you already the ace is buying pipe and he's buying crimson
and he's buying boots of bearing and he's running around. But if you go all in on this bat
being an off laner and trying to you know counteract in whatever way you can for a draft.
There's still that potential Bat just goes as support or do you think he's just not really
gonna fit into that role anymore? He can play support I think and Boxy traditionally has
been very good on the hero. I mean obviously he can really be a 5 because they have warlock now
but I think they would prefer Boxy I guess. Well this kind of exact question then yeah.
On these type of heroes I mean Marcy Bat is a very strong laner I think there's also a lot
of, you know, like, benefit to having to pick me up faster against both Razor and Hoodwing
to, like, get them out of the bush where I get a guy away from the Link.
Yep.
Again, I feel like Liquid are just trying to hunt Riddies, pretty much.
Like, they just want to make sure that whatever hero he picks, if you misposition once in
the lane, you are just going to be food.
I'm shocked that they actually entertain the idea of letting through the ring
last, though.
Or if this is just, like, we let it through and then every hero we pick will just
be sitting on him.
He was owning last game.
I'll be completely honest. He was actually on fire super high impact
But you do only have so many bands the shadow demon one is a little surprising
But it's very very good against batrider compared to ringmaster, which is very blase against batrider
Maybe you it's like fine ish, but it's nothing special
I'm curious for Navi what safely to do end up picking because batrider Marcy is a very dangerous very killer safe lane
So you need to be on your a game and you have very specific heroes
so you can survive this and not feed to jump and toss back into that rider.
That's where you can just lean towards the tough helicopters.
Whenever I think of really aggressive lanes, I think of just Wave Shove.
It's like the first option.
Never allow them to have a creep wave.
They go for the Centaur, so they want to keep the
Graze effectability level and then the Grimstroke.
Grimstroke!
They're either a hero.
Yeah, I mean they played Graze with Grimstroke quite a few times together.
It's obviously quite good.
I think it's also nice for Centaur.
I mean, PMA, I would say he's one of the better centaurs that we've seen in the tournament, he's very good on this hero.
You can also build the items you kind of want for the game, whether it's a blade mill or a pipe into Lotus Orb.
So I do like that double pick here.
But also just soul-bind into Marci Batrider, right?
When you have Marci pick me up, her entire mechanic is about jumping on a hero and repositioning them.
So now if you soul-bind the guy that you're jumping, Marci can't just jump onto that.
You know, I just get a double leech stuff, it's gonna be really obnoxious.
I think my concern though for Navias, even though in the game I can see the fight potential, I'm worried in the lane, Grimstroke isn't the strongest laner, you need to have kill potential with your carry to be able to chase at them, and we've already mentioned how Bat and Marcy can just be an absolute disaster lane to play into.
But in the game I can see the kind of the motions that Navi will be playing towards.
I mean I definitely like wonder like I think grim can death like you need to be very careful with your positioning in the lane with Grimstroke like
This heroes not the best laner unless you can play like super aggressive sure razor grim is a strong lane
But you have to respect the the Marci bad rider and I will say for liquid
I think this is a very strong Kes pig as well like we've seen this hero dominate for good reason
It is does have a way of shelf right if it is me raise a grim you can just you know stroke the lane plasma the lane just
You can do the kind of things that we mentioned
Of course they will flex it to the very end, so Fnavi, banning out the niche to mid heroes, Puck is the first one to go.
Oh, Oscar Sajj.
Stop trying to put voids for it's time!
That's what also you could argue Grimstroke does kind of counter against the spirit heroes as well, right?
Like the voids for it's the embers. When they're trying to be playmakers initiating, getting in and out of the fight.
Not to overhype Saabine, but it can complicate their ability.
Someone's gonna do it because no one else is picking grim shirt. Yeah
Thank you. I will continue hyping
This here has been disrespected for too long. That's what I'm sad. There we go
I mean, so what can you do here as liquid? Is there a way that you could run back?
a queen of pain
If you define like if you because the only thing I'm thinking for now
You obviously they have choice like your razor can go mid it can go carry
Yeah, it's I will say it's fine in either
But maybe like cuz liquid need to also respect this and like find a way where if you just put a hero mid that razor
Will just dumpster then Navi also get a new pick for the safe lane
So like they kind of get a double win in terms of like the last pick
What stops with like the return of the beast most of it
You know here that we saw a lot in the group stage, but it just fell off
And then give you like Roche and potential in liquid
350 win right?
Navi
Bandit man
It would have been good. Thanks. I
I think these drafts are relatively even right now.
I think they're different styles, but I think Navi having more scaling, more spellcasting,
and saying Blanes, we'll figure it out.
I think that's better for their styles.
I think we'll figure it out.
It's just the way they lane.
I don't know if that's going to change anytime soon.
I agree that the Kes pick is good, but I also think Razor scales pretty well against Kes,
because you can't actually manfight this guy.
So I think while Kes is just a powerful hero and Kes Warlock is some psychotic lane
that can not lose to anything.
If Navi does get to the mid-game period,
I think they have nice tools.
They have natural load,
his buyer, Razer has good carry to carry matchup.
So I think Navi going this, they're happy with it,
and I think Liquid is also quite chilling.
So I think it's one of those games
where both teams got drafts they want,
at least so far,
and they're just sort of pitting them head-to-head
against each other.
I mean, like, Nisha has looked very good
on a couple of heroes.
Okay, he will go for his one of his normal white spirits.
Keep that up.
No Oscar, no Ember, no Viper.
I mean, again, Nisha is one of the few players that has a different build to others, right?
He's going for the vessel, going for Charlotte 15, getting Kaia, like constantly farming, getting Sheva's.
I feel like this style of voice for it will make the other damage of Liquid just feel even better.
It isn't going to be, you know, a slower game from him.
That alone just makes his voice for it scarier. Of course, at any point he might entertain Agnes,
but I feel like the build he did earlier in the playoffs was so potent,
felt like every item just punched into the game.
I feel like that's the kind of thing you want for Navi. You want some sort of like fat heroes or generally the stuff that's good for Svoidsir because he's low damage. You know something oppressive and like I'm curious if Niko's got some hipster.
Yeah, this was my excitement in the grand finals, right? I wanted to see this was the moment I was looking for like Neko
You see your your mid matchup, but what is that the creativity?
How do you just throw that kind of niche pick that you've been using throughout your entire career?
Okay, I mean totally fine line
But it is like you have gone back to sort of the scaling department, right if the game goes long
I think invoker is very good against these supports
I think Batrider, if you aren't actually getting the jump against a Voker, it's very batting
against a Voker in the game if you just get kited to infinity and beyond.
So I can see why they picked it.
It is an amazing Void Spirit game, but there's just creeds to both sides.
Well, quicker than normal, I do have a Liquid's coach Blitz standing with me here.
The first thing I have to say is what I noticed is you didn't even wait until
Navi had their last pick before you were like, I'm done with the team talk, we're
We know exactly what we need to execute here.
So why didn't you wait for it?
I think during that time period,
while they're trying to figure out a hero,
it's actually pretty valuable for our team
to talk about what my job is done.
Like, they've picked their heroes,
which is what I'm responsible for,
and then I think just being in there
to be there is kind of pointless.
We do our handshakes, and then I want them
to be able to talk about the game.
Boxy's obviously much more about the game than I am,
so it's like I want to give him as much space
as possible to just get his thoughts out.
Okay, that obviously makes a lot more sense.
And with the game number two, I know for the players there would have been a lot of different emotions
and you're normally pretty stable when it comes to a voice in the team.
But how are your stress levels after game two?
Uh, I mean we've played a lot of different finals obviously especially against CY.
I mean this might be like my seventh final in a row against CY or something like that.
And so it's fine. You know we're in the game we're in the back me and CY watching together.
We're just like we're stressed and we're laughing about how stressed each other is.
Like every moment we come back they're like he's like ha ha and then like we laugh at each other.
So it's fun to at least enjoy the misery with somebody else. That's true
Yeah, because it was a very very close game to building is for game two and now game three
You've had first pick both times in the game number two
You went for the razor bat trade and you opted for the razor this time around you go for the bat
Because we're not Falcons. We're not gonna do the same thing
three times in a row like I
Don't want to get clowned on I already have enough haters like so we'll do it flip and if like we lose on the
other side. That's not on me, right? I did my job. Like, I got you the situation you
claimed you wanted, so it's like my hands are whatnot. But it's just funny this way
to do it this way. So then we'll see if Batrider is more broken than Razor or something like that.
Yeah, that's always the joys of a best of five, which is going to continue now. We're jumping
on into our third game. Let's just see who comes out the victor.
time for game 3 here ladies and gentlemen between navi and team liquid here in the grand finals
fogged we're getting a again you know navi showing off their versatility with another
support that we don't always see from other teams the grimstress of course coming out
from riddies and then liquid indeed as we heard they're kind of getting the switch up this time
They want to be the ones to show off the strength at the bat in the face taking at this time which
Now we certainly saw last game from PMA on the bat. Let's see if Ace can match that
Yeah, PMA was
Honestly what he might have been my MVP. I don't know. It's hard to say like there's a lot of crazy stuff
But like the the crucial last those and everything that he did catch were pretty damn awesome show all got reflected
Which is painful, but that happens. Yeah, this would be pretty exciting
I you know a bit of a switch up like you said for Navi, but not fully still looking to play
a game that they can scale in pretty hard with this invoker toward the later stages. Liquid.
Let's see if they look to speed the pace up of things. Especially with Nisha now playing
a Void Spirit, a more active hero, rather than a more of a sit back and hit and hit those
timing zero with the Razer.
Yes. And we saw how, you know, how good of a game he can have on his Void Spirit
looked incredible on some of the games the other day. And, yeah, I think, yeah,
I could only imagine he's excited to play a game because, you know, once the Razer's
the team. You know, the
team. You know, it's just all
cool and strong. You got to
imagine. Nisha has much more
fun zipping around the team
fights on something like one
of the spirits as opposed to
something that's got to be a
bit more af can just hitting
the creeps. Spirits are
killers. They have been
forever, right? All the
spirits are killers. Razor
sure he can kill, but he's
more about this lane dominant
than just using that kind of
mechanics. So yeah, always
more fun to watch voids
bird personally. I actually
hate that razor is the first
pick in this meta because
fast and like I know people have to play it because of how good Thunderhead is and all like it's
not the most flashy but yeah let's see what we do get down because it's a lot of mechanic things
to talk about here this Grimstroke pick like you were mentioning since it's a very like out of the
box kind of pick even though it's one of Riddies most played it can do some nice stuff this game
right just the leash versus the Void Spirit even though it's a last pick can trip him up
versus the Marci to prevent any type of saves for the pick me up so there's a lot of potential
for Riddies. Yeah man, why is it an era that other teams don't really touch right now? You know,
you talk about the potential from it, but why, what does it sort of lack that other supports
have right now in this meta? He's just a bit of a weird laner. He has, all the spells are
countered completely by BKB and pipe, and it's a pretty strong BKB pipe meta for the most part.
It's like so by the acid counters BKB in a way, but sometimes it's like,
this leash doesn't really matter in some games. Like they're leashed and they just run
together with bkbs and doesn't do much so his laning is also complicated you're completely reliant
on the pairing that you're with so i i i like grim and i think grim has some pretty crazy stuff i don't
know how much it's going to matter this game but the 15 talent is something most people like to
talk about that spell damage because it works out like everything everyone just starts doing
25 more damage essentially with all their abilities we are rehosting yeah we do have a
I wonder what it was.
Something was wrong with the lobby, so we will have to remake the game.
So apologies for the delay on that.
We should be able to get that sorted pretty quickly, if you ladies and gentlemen.
I'm clicking around. Who got the bubble?
Yeah, it was it. What went wrong?
I don't know what it was.
Something went a bit weird with just the bubble.
Okay, so apparently it's something to do with the one of the cosmetics. Okay, one of the cosmetic issues
Yeah, we will just get ourselves into the new lobby
Are they chuckling so much? Zaius is having a blast
I they should be after that last game. I think
We've had a lot of games where it's just like thrown race
Well, not race because it's not two of them
But throne's just dying like crazy like that. We're both them are just all in on it
So definitely pretty interesting to see and Zayac is a really funny guy.
Honestly, I've gone to chat with him quite a lot.
They're really, really enjoyable team to talk to these young guys.
Not Zayac.
He's a bit older, but yeah.
So we'll just get ourselves into the new lobby.
I'm glad that we do get this, you know, we did get the one, one, two,
because now sure or not, it's like, you know, it's the best of three.
Now I know some people like to say that, but we are seeing, you know,
Navi absolutely can bring it to Liquid and break their mold that they've
been building up throughout this tournament.
Yeah, they really did in their own style in their own style. I'm glad to see Nico playing as invoker because I hadn't seen it in some time
I missed it
No, and I think yeah off that game to you was like that just give it a give it to him again
I imagine they'll probably continue to do that, especially if they have a good result of us in this game three
Well, he really doesn't seem to care about the mid matchup right when he sort of sees the chance to grab the invoker
He doesn't he's like whatever. I'm gonna get a player. It's gonna get to that point where I'm gonna do crazy stuff with the cataclysms
The matchup he's not too fussed about
Oh, and he's like he said, he's just he's just along for the ride, although we did mention
for him toward the end of the game. He was the highest damage dealt. Good margin. So along
for the ride. I'm not sure if that's entirely true.
Well, we're just waiting for you, fog. Get yourself in. We're doing. I'm trying.
I'm struggling. The chat's going to be like cast and start the game. I mean, now
it actually is me. Yeah.
Okay, man.
Yeah, we're just getting everyone back in, sir.
Okay, I-
As always, spamming cast to start the game, please.
If this time is literally me, I apologize, everybody.
It does work, so you can-
I'm actually- I'm having a Dota 2 bug, I'll be totally honest with you.
I actually have to fully close Dota again to reopen.
I'm so sorry, everybody.
You can blame me.
Flamie and Chad, it's okay.
I'll take it.
That's all right.
That's all right.
We will- I'm in there.
I'm flaming you already.
So, yeah.
I'll do that.
Teams in good spirits here.
I'm looking forward to play through the spester five and obviously with the format, you know
Already getting the chance to experience these best of fives could be something that does give Navi that bit of extra advantage
Obviously a team that on land on main stages, right? They haven't been in a lot of I don't know if any
But they've been in any best of five fire problem. No, probably not right now. There's like Navi's
Online stuff all fires exactly not the first time they're in a top two
and I'm not going to be
going to be going to the
game. It's been a long time
and other things. So what
wasn't any of the just call me
out there. You know, that's
true. We're waiting for some of
the other cast as well. It
wasn't just formed. I'm back
on back, baby. So the general
cast to start the game is still
applicable here. But it looks
like we should be good to go
That definitely counts for something right now must feel pretty good to get a warm-up situation
Especially when the best of five was as crazy as it was yesterday that Navi was involved in
So good preparation to catch the entire thing because there's absolutely nuts the way the back and forth
I don't went down again to like similar it's not fully similar to the one that we just had but there was
Insane back and forths that were coming in could have been another like yeah
That's good a 141, but they ended up not happening because of the way that whole situation
So yes, I mean super fun series this one
Again, this is another game. I feel like it's going to be pretty kill heavy again. Right?
I feel like Navi is looking to play pretty active, even though they grew up as Invoker.
I do feel like they really want to play and test Liquid in that early game, even though
they like playing. And I think they did mention, you know, Ace and Topa were talking about
some teams talking and critiquing Liquid's later game.
Yeah, Navi's still going to be fighting early.
No, for sure. For sure. But I think that the same is definitely going to be
said from Liquid's side of things. You know, when you have like the, well, anytime
kind of have the battle flame right you don't want to be sitting back too much I'll be interested to see
what the build is going to be from ace this time on the bat whether indeed he's he's going to still
look to get the auras on or if he gets that sort of early blink we'll see what it's going to be
bearing first for sure right yeah i'm in bearing is just it's even before yep like i think before
the players before this bearing change where it got the ring people were already liking to buy
bearing so i think now there's just even better people love it and then you can kind of pivot
and decide what you do need for the game, looks like we are hopefully starting now.
Looks like we're about to go.
Brady's not liking how long this has taken. He's very impatient.
Yeah, they're ready to go. I should be on your screen soon ladies and gentlemen.
I'm going to apologize for this, but it's going to be worth the wait.
Like that game too, that definitely was worth there. It would have been worth the wait.
So you can only imagine what game 3 has in store for us here between Liquid and Na'Vi.
And let's see now that we do have... So one thing that Liquid kind of lacked in that last game,
I can say, is a way to bypass the frontline. It was the clockwork, right? The way to bypass
the frontline to get to the back. Now they have the Void Spirit. So I'm going to be looking at
just the messing of the supports. Because Hoodwink and Grim, they are playing this double
range support, so they don't have that melee support to kind of play the crutch on. If these two
aren't able to just sit back and cast their spells, it can cause a lot of problems. So
we'll see if that does cause any result in terms of anything, because they don't,
right? They have an invoker in the mid lane too. So the trio invoker, Hoodwing Grim, can be a bit
of a liability if the Centaur, and the Centaur and the Razor can't frontline for them. So
let's see what we do get. Absolutely. I mean, they've got to keep full focus on these.
Honestly, I'm going to be interested in how much focus they put on the mid lane early,
to be right because you don't
want to give Nisha that
free leg. If you're not be if
he gets a good start. If he
gets out of control, you don't
have enough lockdown to deal
with the mid game fights.
It's gonna be tough. Well,
thanks again, ladies and
gentlemen for being patient
with us here. We're ready to
get the game back on as, uh,
us casters have finally
started the game so you can
now see the spamming that
I'm sure was there. It's
game free time. So long.
And we're ready to go here between a Navi and a liquid
Incredible game to yeah, let's see if we get some crazy stuff here in game three
Box you checking for the ward won't find that one. We'll place a deep vision ward
That's a bit of a I like this one that one. Yeah, I really like this is one of the ones
I really like this one or this this is gonna stay there permanently really that's usually it's staying yeah
This is one of the best boards in like just period in my opinion when you're playing dire playing versus radiant if you can place
Yeah, cuz you can watch when they back up the stack you watch when they back up to get the bounty
You can even get them as the poor position
So boxy could make some early moves since he is playing versus a bit of a squishy here on the mid lane
They can close the gap until the invoker early to although. I don't know how much he wants to leave the bat rider
So we'll have to see
But all these opportunities that are available
Um, I do have to say to tofu it's it says a lot when you want to play the same hero twice after like a 60 minute like
Warlock game, too. He's like, you know give it to me again
I mean he did have a pretty fun time. He got pretty good fatal bonds off
He got to the stage of the game where he gets like a refresh and stuff
They might just get first blood as I had gonna get brought down by liquid first blood for boxy. Oh
Oh
That's a painful start, I think he did use a branch to there
Someone used I think he used the branch to try to bushwhack stun them to protect himself too
So not only dying I think he lost a little bonus gold or somebody did cuz I did see the branch and to point out tofu
He does have quality blades so double quality in the top lane eyes on those trees getting cut for the hoodwink
Be free lane for Mickey I would say unless there's some big mistake that comes out from him
He should be able to keep himself self sustained and they just see what a tree cutter ready
So, what about down on this bottom, though?
Well, we're seeing these two very contested heroes go out to head, the Razor versus the
Bat.
How does this one play out?
Can be...
I mean, there's kill threat constantly on this Bat if he's not careful, right?
If the...
Or on the Razor, sorry.
The Bat can constantly kill threat the Razor, because Grimstroke doesn't really provide
you the best defensive capabilities.
They're getting aggro right away on Ace, though.
Sunstrike is coming in!
Oh my goodness, the Fairfire comes out and Ace will just survive.
No way.
Power go up, but he's- ooh!
He might try for Riddies!
Whoa, it was a good effort.
Didn't quite catch him though.
Ace will survive.
That's a lot of mana used by Riddies.
His entire mana pool to commit for that attempted kill.
So that does hurt that they don't get it, that he's able to reset and get that positioning.
They saw Boxie pulling, they tried to go for the kill with the Blood Grenade commit.
Amid Nisha, I feel like this one is he's gonna have an even better time versus the invoker
He had a good time on the razor versus the invoker if this one would be
Even better just cleaner animation. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely much much
So Nisha
Definitely expect big things from in this game
That's why I say we've probably got a look towards Navi bringing in some extra help
And once he gets kind of to that, you know, four to six minute period in the leading stage
was Nisha might get a bit too out of control.
It probably just has to be the hoodwink though.
Like, I don't, and it's not easy either,
leaving PMA even though it's a Warlock lane.
It's Kez, who's super oppressive.
So it's difficult for them to really make moves
and help Nika with their lane setup.
Riddies doesn't want to leave the Razor alone.
Oh, bottom lane.
Try and make the jump once for Riddies.
Nice, it's taking a lot of damage from Goat of Gears.
Ooh, and they might be trying to go on Ace.
That's a very nice angle there from Riddies, but Blokgrin is going to tick ace down pretty low.
He can definitely have a head for a Sunstrike, because he is looking though.
That water room will help out, he's gone enough now.
But it's a bit awkward to try and get the connection.
Throw it out, but yeah, it's a difficult one to get there.
It doesn't get the hit.
Those missed Sunstrikes hurt the mid lane a lot though, because you don't have
man it always makes sure that you do have those force spirits going.
And it's you if you've got to be careful right as well because
sure you know you could do the Sunstrap pretty quickly but it's still a second
or so we are looking away from the lane and
it's just going to be even easier easier for Nisha to get those extra
denies in against you. My god look at this that's a
gigantic wave for Nisha coming in he's already 21 and four. He has
missed very few last hits I believe. A commanding start for them in the
mid and top as we said it's a Kaz versus I think every time I've seen this Kaz
versus either Centaur or Mars he dumpsters the lane it's very hard to
actually play the matchup of course helps that he has a warlock but
it was interesting to note that the builds on the Kaz see bottom lane
actually some strides gonna be coming in it's a hit this time he do have a
take down ace and boxes he's able to finish off really easy will but does
just end up meaning that got the juices gonna get the cleanup effectively on both
with them so good times here for the carry of navi and good that nico gets
the last said he kind of needs those Sunstrike kills because how this lane is
going Nisha is definitely gonna push the envelope in terms of pressure and he
also has availability of both water runs
nearly tripling the CS of Niko in this matchup it's yeah pretty insane
Well, we did expect it to be pretty nasty, you know when Nisha gets the void spirit against the invoker in the match up
And it did certainly happen it
Maybe not this nasty though. I actually thought it would be a little better for Niku
After yesterday's Nisha's void spirit, you know, you've got to you've got to expect a lot from him because he'll deliver
Yeah, and it is as you said it's hard for them to really help Niku
So the help is really going to be just set up for Sunstrike's boxy. Maybe they can get one here
Have a look
No, sir, I won't even need it by looks like up the juice gets another kill out of the safe lane
Riddies is a specialist on this here like we said the two points in the inks well
Very strong versus the aggression that can come out from the bat and from the Marcy
It's actually pretty cool a pretty cool response versus the two of them since it's gonna catch both of them in the stun in most situations
It's a super scary lane now for liquid. It is it makes it very all cool for boxy to
to everybody make an aggressive play.
Kind of have to be ready to just play defensive.
I mean, yeah, playing into this lane now,
but they've had to sort of start on Na'Vi.
It's not easy.
But they do have Nisha.
Level 6 has been hit, Niku only 5.
Powered and soon to hit.
Catapult as well, starting to hit tower.
So they're going to look to play around that power.
PPs are at the ready on the side of Na'Vi.
Oh, he'll Sunstrike the Catapult.
nicely done I actually love that yeah he's actually going to come in to the bottom lane
I'm going to try and punish Ace look at the slow setup from Riddies in to got the juice
get his way over into the Roche pit though he's out of range of the bushwax so even
though they brought in Xayah to try and make the move there Ace just a step ahead we'll
get out so lanes are broken it looks like Navi's accepted they can't lean top bottom
Bar-Rider probably gonna just do the same kind of thing. Mid lane there's so much focus Niku.
He's in a lot of trouble. They get to jump in here for Nisha. They'll have to control for boxy. Niku will lay down the ice wall.
Does not matter. We'll liquid get the kill. There's no backup coming in for him around that mid lane.
Ace again. This time round they should get him.
He's got a lot of kills they're getting funneled into this Razor 301 already in the laning stage got the juice he's having a lovely star
I mean ace is poor but honestly the centaur is just as poor PMA he's not dying but he's actually having just as tough a time
Zayas wants the shrine
Hopefully it looks like he might steal the opposing one too.
That PMA is gonna make sure he can put a stop to that.
The Mika is ready to fight as well.
Back up from Riddice.
So he's just gonna come in.
It's enough first.
Take Tophry out.
See if Mika can continue to stand this ground against PMA and Riddice.
He can.
Mika is gonna be able to take the shrine of wisdom.
They weren't able to stop him.
His liquid moves are big.
They're like they're small in terms of what they look like but they're
big in terms of what the impact is on the game. Getting the double shrines, putting pressure.
Mikae gets the raptor dance, that point two and vulnerability dodges the stun.
Trying desperately to kill him here. Look at the suns, but it won't be able to close in.
Sun strike out, but that's Nisha getting the chance to kill off Niku in the mid lane.
They're playing around Nisha. It really has fallen apart a little bit.
Nisha, if he has this sort of start on the void spirit, we've seen so many times where
where the game usually goes.
Yeah, and Boxy, he's kind of this off-laner himself too.
He's getting a lot of farm.
He's actually same farm as the Invoker.
One another one.
The Lord.
So it's in trouble.
He will get the bush whack off.
Cuts the tree.
I mean, Boxy wants this kill.
He was ready to try and dive for that one.
He'll be on the tier two and the CPS coming in.
Boxy will probably pay for this one.
Call staff into Sunstrike.
Boxy, I'd dive too far that time.
They missed communication.
They passed, I think, the mango
or the lotus to him too late
so he didn't have mana
and then he wants over, yeah just awkward play.
We'll get a kill, Niku needs that.
Topu is six, early Golem is at the ready.
It's an early 3K lead
and they're putting so much pressure onto this mid,
even taking out the wards.
And that one phase distribution
is pretty crazy in this game.
How big the separation, the mid and the carry
Liquid out compared to almost everybody else.
I like to get a lot done with that.
And he's from the Void Spirit,
we'll just have a few hundred gold away from having the best along line.
Super early.
Might be one of the earliest that we do see picked up, honestly.
It's gonna be insane because he's skipping the upgrade of boots or anything.
Top.
PMA!
See if he can get away from this one.
I'm McCann Boxer, you're gonna be chasing him down.
He can't escape him. It's another kill there that Liquid's able to pick up and that's gonna help fuel this.
You have very, very solid looking battle carry timing at this pace.
Tier 1 tower picked up in the mid.
And they can contest even, well there's not really any stacks, but the Golem can come in and actually farm this.
The Topu can walk in another ward that they take away.
So I think that's three or four observer wards.
They've got a lot of kagels.
Yeah they have.
I mean liquid this early game is pretty ridiculous how much they're getting the razors farming, but the other lanes are completely destroyed
They used to stop me
But get the setup with the rebounds then takes him out of the Sunstrike full up
There's Duke at the stun follow up onto waltz mckay, but it's not enough to kill him
And the mckays considering running back in on them. He gets the O off gets that heal
He's gonna be fine Zyus caught off to the side as he'll fall
PMA likely to die again after teeping in and try and make that attempt
They're going to lose Riddies on top of it as well.
Boxy closes the gap with him and Mikkei,
three dead on Navi,
and another two on to be taken in.
This is also concerning too, because juices,
the other two lanes are completely destroyed.
Juice has to be the one to kind of break things and fix things,
and his hero, he's going for a greedy build.
He's going melt shot.
He wants to farm against me, he'll just die.
Well, this is scary.
See that on the replay?
It's going to be coming in every time from Boxy.
If he sees the stun coming in on his course, he'll make sure the Sun Strike's never going to connect it.
It's going to get to the point probably where, if you need to, you're probably trying to outplay him
by predicting where they're going to get brought over to.
If you're going to look for those Sun Strikes now, if Foxy's around.
They need, honestly, they just need Riddies level 6 if they want to go for any plays again.
They need this, like, Soulbind leash to prevent the same.
That's two times, or three times, I've seen Boxy get away with Murder in terms of just getting on top of targets
or protecting targets.
It's he is same not with as the centaur almost same network does the invoker with these moves
That's getting pretty crazy. I had skin and pretty crazy pretty early and the yeah these timings
It's the the vessel is gonna be one of the fastest timings we've seen on the void spirit and yeah
This battle fury is gonna be like a pre-12 minute battle fury on Mickey's cares also say one of the fastest timings we've seen
Yeah, like I'm just looking at PMA
I'm just this is my real big worries who they're gonna rally around and I had concerns because of the quad melee or the quad
Reigns with only one melee hero to be that hero to rally around like their lineup can fall apart pretty hard when they don't have
Even to be that initial stunner
British
It's gonna attempt to run a car run from boxy and Nisha
Another one for Nisha and on the bottom ace
He's looking for Zyatt Zyatt's trying to hide in the trees, but Mikkei catched him with the echo slash
liquid starting to make this game three look pretty easy unless nobody can come
out with something incredible now he's gonna have to outplay super hard it and
also especially because we said so razors going farming item it's gonna be
meteor hammer for niku and it's sent our centers going to blink but it's he is
so poor on PMA that he's gonna blink and die he's gonna be a blink stun they
get like a sun strikes and then he's gonna die because it's not gonna be any
auras for a long time on the center of course and they're actually just
Nothing. Support PMA. Has no camps to farm because they're unblocked and he's going up to the stand pizza just to escape.
And it should be enough unless they want to dive him.
Astral step up in a second on Nisha. They're going to dive and they saw him.
Ooh, rebounds off the mark. But they'll still find him.
At least elsewhere, they have killed our face.
Na'Vi not coming out of this trade empty-handed, they find Ace in return.
But Ace isn't the one who's been killing everybody, Ace is the one who's kind of been having the hard time.
So it's not like this is, I don't think that really helps them that much.
It gets them some gold, right?
But it's gonna, it doesn't really help them in terms of relieving the pressure that's on the map right now.
Cause it's Nishen Boxing, if we're just running around.
Niku?
He's gonna turn into the whole back end.
Let me show you that they can't go on him like that
Gonna need some time for Navi. They need ult's ready
They need a lot of time though. Like I said, they've got the juice with this maelstrom
Boxie!
Very fragile
Nope!
They might jump under the TG tower! They've caught Niku!
Even popping the glyph, they tried to get some damage back but it doesn't even matter
Boxie again, just all over the place
Another D-word
Yeah, they've got some, yeah the warding has been absolutely destroyed this game
He just left the team to talk and discuss what they were going to have with their game
plan.
This first 14 minutes is pretty insane, their game plan.
Blocking camps, aggressive moves, enabling Nisha, and just let Ace do his own thing.
Ace is on an island, yes, he's died a couple of times, but he's top four net worth.
So the moves are actually working with how Ace and Boxxy in particular have kind
of decided how they want to make moves.
Boxxy's got an ogre club.
He will turn into another carry, or another core potentially.
And it's just hard to sort of see the timing from Navi's line-up that they're going to be able to rally around, as you say, with the fact that they're having to kind of go for this sort of build, you know, with the blink rush on the center, and obviously with the maelstrom on the razor that maybe builds towards some sort of offensive potential where they can smoke up and try and hit hard, get the jump, but if that doesn't go well, they will just crumble so quickly in these fights as they're not going to have any way to keep one another alive.
Yeah, and the lack of front line is very apparent.
This is why, you know, I think Quinn says it a lot lately,
especially on the panel.
The melee plus ranged paring with these supports
ends up being pretty big if you don't have like
a melee mid to rally around, and they have an invoker.
So they don't have this way of initiating fights.
They don't have somebody they can like have as that
front line to let these two spellcaster supports
do their thing.
It's a 1300 HP invoker that will just,
yeah, die to the burst damage at the moment.
So they need time and quite a lot,
but I don't know how much time helps them
with how big liquid is right now.
Cause this battle theory cast is gonna outpace the Razor.
Foxy, this is the start going on to Niku.
He's gonna turn with a deafening blast drop down the meteor.
He's got TP back up coming in as well.
And we'll be able to turn with the Soulbind.
Yeah, they're trying to close him with the Stampede.
Get the stun on to the both of them.
Strike down onto Ace, but it's not enough to kill Ace.
Riddies is dead. Niku at least will be able to TP out.
But again, that's pretty much gonna be the case most of the times, right?
when liquids coming at you at this stage with the lead that they have you just have to run you just have to play defensive try and save
Who you can save because you have pretty much no chance of turning and getting any skills yourself right now if you're an RV
This is this is might be one of the most brutal 16 minutes. I've seen in some time
There's no effort of the barp PMA his camps just keep getting blocked. He's getting chased out
The important ones getting found a kill for mckam boxy
I don't know and this one is getting up. It's 11k. It's 16 minutes
Like liquid is taking advantage of all the little mess ups that now he's doing to the fact that they lift
Touch the dive that happened on Niku means that liquid can just take the tier to bottom because there's no glyph
So it's all these like little tiny mistakes, but they compound compound massively when liquids taking advantage of them
I'll tell them that maybe they can rally around this the blink dagger ready to go for PMA
They might have to just go for some crazy smoke move
Well, they have the damage to bring down the targets are they gonna get saved by boxy they need that saw by as well
Bush rock on a boxy, but trees immediately cut
Here's the smoke time they're gonna try for it. Let's see how they just bring everything together
to burst someone.
Ideally, they'll probably take what they can get right now, Navi.
He broke it. Taufu read the smoke already. He walked up. He knew the positioning of it.
Perfect understanding. Perfect movement. Liquid smoked up themselves now to counteract their anticipating...
Look at the line drawn, so they're anticipating that that's potentially where Navi was going to look for the movement.
They're gonna be a quick grand kill.
I mean, super crisp gameplay by Liquid in this game, and Avi falling apart real fast,
got the juice running into Tofu.
Yeah, but Tofu's, uh, he's gonna be fine.
The Sunstrike's coming in, not gonna connect, they're trying to chase him down, but got
the juice is already dead.
Tofu's gonna lift, PMA tries to TP up, and Nisha's quickly in with the random,
they have to lasso as well.
Oh and they just can't catch a break here.
I mean this could, I mean they're probably gonna, this could be one of those with their life being early GG.
No, there's no space, no one's able to do anything on the side of Navi.
Niko?
He's trying to find a kill.
Okay.
There we go.
But uh, Boksy is hot in the chase, the haste room still a few seconds though for Niko.
Uh, TP's are coming in.
Mika?
See Mika as well, they're ready to try and hunt Niko down, he's gonna turn towards Boksy.
He won't kill him.
And now we make it on top of Niku.
And we'll be Niku going down.
Liquid, my goodness.
They might have struggled in game two, but this came three.
Well, I don't know what you'd do if you're napping.
I think it really might be, as you say, time to just think about game four.
Because this is a complete liquid.
It's horrible to say it, but yeah, it's...
Honestly, they have to just...
They'll probably stick it out, like I said.
things wait for those next items and hope that liquid makes mistakes but honestly that's what it
feels like it has to be some unbelievable mistakes from liquid in this game 15k down right now
the farm is absolutely getting to the point where you know one good team fight and the
supports of liquid are going to be overtaking the cause of navi at this very early kind of 20
minute stage this is honestly this is a pretty chill battle rider game for him you of course
not the death cities have but the chill in terms of just being able to sit back and be that
passenger kind of in this game. PMA has to sack his entire game and just be this movement
like third support in a way as the centaur of this game. He's about things have gone
down. If he just sits back and farm, there's literally zero plays that they can make.
You can see how confident Liquid feel. You know, Tophie just kind of confidently
just showing, clearing the mid wave whilst over on Na'Vi's side of the map. They
can't even punish that right now. Liquid is playing it. Cool, calm and collected. There
you go Quinn, I know you're listening. They can just wait for that tormentor, probably
set up for that one. Navi, they can't do any type of exchange for a roster tormentor
and I don't think they can fight by any means around that tormentor. Maybe they try
first thing. At least first one. We'll see. It comes in a little too early this time.
Tofu does indeed mean that they I think it's tofu and my make a will still finish off the job
It's gonna be the shot over for boxy
If you move bottom
Box is ready to make a jump with ace doesn't quite get to connect it on desire
Freeze, but see we'll still find him. He's gonna come up with the counter play
So I'm straight get up towards a says I'll pop the PK people. They've got him
Kill Ace off!
Good little bait play from Zayac shows himself they've got the wraparound coming in
won't get boxy but they will get it. I mean Ace is literally just a sacrifice in this game
it seems like forced out 30 rounds around this time of the 21 minutes both wisdoms
gonna be going liquids way.
Navi's trying to do what they can with the little space that they have.
They'll get a D-Ward at least as well.
How's Gath the Juice doing on his BKB?
BKB because that's that's probably the biggest thing they can rally around in terms of the next five to ten minutes or so
Maybe five six minutes say if they can get the BKB on the razor, of course
It's still
Unbelievable how much he has to do with it and there is a case that can get rid of the shreds
But yeah, especially they can do make it on the case is pretty much an item ahead
He's just gonna have that BKB done, but of course is on top of this battle fury and full. Yeah, Shakaia
out. Zayac? He's found. He's gonna be enough one hand for McKennaice. Nisha full
axe done. Now that back line, this poor back line that has barely been able to
cast their spells also are gonna get instantly silenced and probably bursted
down since he hasn't also hit 15. I said bursted, that's not what bursted.
Thank you, I always say the wrong one.
Brush?
Probably just walk into it.
I don't think that Navi can contest.
Maybe Navi just kills them though.
Before that.
Now Navi, they need to try.
They need to try.
They can't pick up the silence on Anisha.
If they can burst him, they're going to get a half HP.
They've got it. They've killed Anisha off.
Now can they get out?
They're going to lose 3Ds.
We'll see PMA on the run, and he's going to end up going down.
So they get Nisha, but they got a valuable kill, but they lose three heroes for it.
But hey, you know what? When they're in the position they are, it's got to still at least
feel a little bit good, but they're finally able to kill off that void spirit.
Of course, doesn't mean they're probably not going to be able to stop the Roshan going down,
the liquid, the members they have surviving, they can still finish it, but they get that jump
and they show that they can burst these important targets. It just, it cost them something in return.
I actually didn't, I didn't notice, I didn't notice that Niku had finished the aggs.
I thought they weren't gonna get the kill with just a single sun strike.
I was like, uh-oh, but the aggs did give them enough to be able to get that little
extra to bring him down. But yeah, okay. The cleanup comes through. 19k lead.
Hey, a box he did not surpass the centaur that we were mentioning, 4PMA.
I'd like to let you get the bottom three this game. He is, he is, he is the full out sacrifice, you know.
I think they can still at least delete one target every single time if they do get a catch,
they just have to have the soul bind on top because you can't let them get rebounded and
move them out of position.
So they can look for at least popping one target.
Again, the tale of the game is just that they're getting immensely outscaled, immensely outfarmed.
But at least they can kill those one targets in the fights, perhaps.
That PMA is literally gone. He's just a support. Flink, Glimmer on the core center.
One of the rougher games I think I've seen from him.
Now Raze is a pretty strong hero right now, but I don't know if he's going to be strong enough to kind of solo carry this one.
Mm-hmm, you know definitely not especially now with him if he was top network
All right, like maybe he's just got that just has been able to do but it's not even yeah, it's we stop
Riddies
They're gonna be able to dive the top
Let's have punished the grim nobody's gonna be coming to help it
Such a hard game to play these supports on Navi just for the same reasons I keep playing right like just not having that body to play
Behind the courier spells and just over also liquid just having
4 heroes that can jump right? 4 bypassing heroes to get to the back line.
Level 20 for Kez. Greaves finished her total. Liquid. Not letting go of this lead whatsoever.
Yeah, stuff, yeah. With that Greaves on top of the glimmer, there's a chance now that they don't necessarily get that core kill if they throw everything onto them.
And then Tophie's ready with the saves. Yeah, Greaves. Glimmering. Can't forget about even Ash Legion Shield.
It is something, right? All these little extra barriers they do protect.
tier two starting a full liquid still got plenty of time to get aggressive
with the sages on mckay level 20 18k net worth here on the cares of the
phenomenal time and it's got his eyes on science he knows oh science I bounce
up he's like wait a minute with the whole is that well that's if it's
life whoops he's got any way out this he's got push wipe back up in a second
So we'll have a little bit of control.
So Zayas might be fine if anything.
Boxy might need to be a bit careful because they could maybe turn and try and take him down there.
They've got a static link going. Boxy will pop the BKB.
But with the static link, forgot the juice.
They'll be able to catch and kill Boxy off.
Now the problem is that they're coming in with backup.
Cannot be get out of there.
Scott the juice tries to stand his ground, but the lasso is going to be there from ace locking him down.
Nisha and Mikke bring in the damage that Scott the juice gone.
Zayas will try and hide in the trees, but they've got the vision upon him.
They get boxy, but again, it's costing them each and every time. Liquid, they keep winning these traits.
To be honest, it's even better for boxy than you could have imagined.
If it's the initial start, he just kills Zayac by himself, right? That's cool.
But now they actually don't raise their instead and sacrifice boxy, so it ends up even better for Liquid.
Very quick to react.
And they know the desperation that Nabi's playing in, you know, farming the outskirts of the map, looking for any small gains that they can get.
Liquid are just on the hunt
Okay, still ready to look at this word the base word
Sees me good. She's riddies. They'll blink down. They still see them with that word
No, oh my god, they're gonna jump with it
They're going to get jumped.
The vision was there, the information comes in and plays the next game.
Mikkei's getting burst pretty low, but he still has that Aegis.
It's going to be Riddies and PMA going down.
He's got the nuisance, he's got the knee shot.
He's got to simulate in a few seconds, but that won't be a few seconds too long.
Yeah, they can kill him off, they get it.
Tornado now, over to Wards Mikkei.
That's the Aegis out.
He's got any chance of looking for a second attempt on his line?
He's not. BKB's up, Mikkei's ready to start turning and running straight over to Wards.
No vision. I think Boxx is running to the fountain to buy in dust to try to detect what the Glimmer saved
got the juice. That was I mean they had to use some buybacks but you know what
they gave the game a live Navi and got the juice. He got quite a lot of money
from that right here. I was actually ready as you got blast here onto Mikkei
but still that's a little bit of a turn around. It's a little
little little but it's something Bob. It's something but it's not. Yeah they did
have to use buybacks in the fountain. Oh and that is pretty painful at 26
minutes in. Nisha, step bro, I'm stuck. Use these two stacks, you couldn't move, you were
stuck against the damn wall. Jesus was able to full focus him. But you can tell me, like,
but you can see how strong, how confident they are. The fact that they don't just reset
and run here, right? They jump into pressure, but Navi, with some good reset plays, will
get some cleanup kills with those biobags. That was nice. Good efforts from Navi.
Good efforts from Navi. Whether it's going to be good enough to lead to a turnaround,
who knows but it's you know the effort is it's in the right direction back in
action though it's gonna find zayac gets him at the last time it's gonna be
zayac scorn 70 seconds without him I'm gonna probably step one of like 25 or
30 or 40 or something like that they're gonna need a lot more yeah and
Niku, in staff.
PMA.
They don't even want to turn and go on to tofu.
They are just trying to get out of that.
Niku does not want to reveal himself.
PMA is going to be revealed.
Try and stamp it out of this.
Remnant is going to be off the mark.
He's going to try for the TP out, and he'll get away.
Niku also able to start cutting the wave
a little bit with the Forged Spirits.
Gets up with the TP before they can swim.
It's pretty wild, isn't it?
how heroes run into a warlock and they blink away from him, right?
This is the warlock who's hunting them.
Na'Vi might like to try and set something up there.
Gotta just try to be reckless, try to catch liquid when they're not set up.
Honestly, that's probably their best opportunities.
Razor?
That's a 20, BKB Mantam Yolander.
He does have some decent damage if he's able to survive the fights and get these big links,
but it really is him versus the world.
I think he got a fair bit from
that fountain diving. They
went a bit wrong for liquid.
What's the Falcon up? Got the
juice, that little bit of a
step up and potential. Mm hmm.
We'll see how that's how much
that matters when liquid are
ready to bring this team
fight to Navi once again
once they still maintain
this 21 K gold lead. This
is pretty cool from Riddies
that I'm seeing. He did get
the greedy enchantment.
Even though he's quite poor on the Grimstroke, he's not that far from it.
He's 2400 gold away, so this could be a pretty interesting tool to just catch Liquid completely
off guard.
That instant disable that they're lacking on Navi?
If you can actually get away with getting it.
Could be pretty cool.
I'll see if they're prepared for this though, Smite Time's coming in from Liquid.
I think Liquid's expecting a movement up here.
Looking for a fight because they're the tormentors back up, right?
So looks like they want to just check the area and then probably back away.
Okay, they're taking us three and 100 the other two.
Shelf tofu.
So Nisha can get a quick catch here.
Leading the way.
Followed relatively close by Ace. They're trying to sort of wrap around him from both angles.
Two just to jump first. Ace left to blink away.
Nisha's going to try and go for the backlight.
Get some of the burst on Zayac.
The second Astral Stalker's enough to pop him,
but the staff he comes out to get a straight over the wall
and he's just so might actually catch on to the two.
They got the juice.
He's moving up again.
Another massive statically.
He's taking the shot down.
He's going to try and stand his ground against Ace.
It's enough to bring down Ace.
The look to make there for Mickey turns,
takes out, got the juice.
Now it looks to move over towards Niku.
The golem's going to get dropped down onto the invoker.
Niku will fall four dead on Navi.
They try their best to make these moves.
And you know what, they're bringing down two cores,
but it still isn't enough to slow down this lead of Liquid
and not enough to tackle Mikkei this time round,
level 24, mid-level 25 here on the Kez.
It's still feeling like that one core versus four almost,
because even Boxy is kind of this core.
It got the juice has to get so much done.
He did get that full Liquid, which was pretty beautiful,
but right afterwards Mikkei turns up.
Look at that high ground.
See much damage Mikkei's gonna be able to do here
before the respawns come in or two or three at least.
I mean, come over to the side, PMA's got eyes on them.
I mean, they're going to try to make the jump,
they get the chance to the wraparound,
get, open up with the new stuff into the bushwack.
The force to the side throws in the sharpshooter,
but Mikkei is too low.
Gets the offender here.
Mikkei able to stand his ground,
gets the wrap to dance off,
and now he's ready to potentially pick up more.
PMA has to run.
Equal turn of the deafening glass, double kill for Mikkei,
as PMA ticks out to the damage from him.
Dust is upon Niku and Bobsi, he's in with the gap, blows Johnson, they get their hands on the invoker, triple kill for Mikkei.
It was a good effort there, they nearly burst him, but they couldn't quite.
Raptor Dance comes off, massive heals for him, he's back on with the push, now backed up by the rest of Liquid, coming in with the respawns, the mid-rack's gone.
Top Rax and Charlotte as well.
It was what, the whole money's B and he killed my Boggy, got that Raptor Dance off, got the immunity.
Nicky just too damn strong. Nisha may be sacrificing himself a couple times there but Nicky he's showing why he's the true carry on this guys.
See if Narvi can go for that one final attempt to the hold.
Final chance.
The base in a lot of trouble. Coming in with a smoke but still 10 seconds without Niku and PMA depth of 30.
Can they do something crazy with the three of them?
They're gonna try. They're disolving.
He can't be if we got the juices trying to close in.
He's gonna get caught by the stun.
The bash is coming into play.
He just can't do anything here.
They have the full control on him.
Shhh.
He's dead.
And this game, it's over.
Gigi's called Liquid.
Looking terrifying here in this game.
Three.
Navi, they tried their best, but they were 20K down,
30K down towards those last moments.
They couldn't do anything to slow them down there,
folk to the end of the day.
Liquid, they had this one in the bag
from pretty early stages of this cat. Yeah, honestly, this one felt like a bit of a draft
to show. Not just because of these plays, but they didn't really have anything. Once the
lanes went bad, they had nothing to really rally around, right? These double supports,
they wanted to play with their off laner, but their off laner's a 3k network, and
the Invoker's having a tough time. So it's really just the Razors having a good game
and they don't have anyone that can just initiate fights and break this movement
that's happening from Liquid. While Liquid is free farming on, I mean, we'll say
well, free farming in two cores, Ace is just kind of filling on his side, but
the box he was just running rampage over the map. So Navi probably having to fix a few
things here in this upcoming next one.
Yeah, Boxer has something to ask you. The tusks, the clockworks and the marsies, he just absolutely
destroys the game. He just completely breaks the game.
He took over.
Yeah.
Like he is everywhere and it just makes so much space for Mikkei to pop off as he does.
You know we saw it before when Mikkei gets this crazy battle fury timing. He just
gets insanely farmed. Nobody can keep up with him. Well a lot of game tree there.
liquid the series now standing two to one with liquid in the lead. Yes indeed liquid in the
lead now to one and pulling back after that game two loss game two obviously didn't go to plan
what did you guys say in the break to come back and win in such a dominant fashion?
I think we strayed off a little from our initial draft plan and then also the game
got like very chaotic I think there was like in some mis-decision chaos and teamfights a bit
we threw the game later when we attempted their high ground and we're like not really on the same
page so I don't know it was like in a way we played a good game we threw it a little we come back
mixed emotions guys try to reset take a deep breath like I enjoyed the game anyway I think it was
like really fun to play probably also entertaining and then I don't know it's like you're best
so free from now on forget about this game we play our next game it's all good.
Excellent, so these Na'Vi lads, they're very young, they're kind of unpredictable.
What's it like playing against them?
Because at times it feels like we think you've got to jump on them and then they turn around
and kill all of you, like how is it to play against them?
I'm not sure if it's related to age, but if you want to put it that way, maybe they're
like a bit reckless, which like could lead into unpredictability, but they're just
really good players.
really good players. So you guys, we can't wait to see how this final concludes. Tofu, thanks for
taking the time to talk to us over to the panel. Oh, well, we appreciate Tofu taking the time with
Pirion to give us some inside thoughts mid-series. It's very rare that we get to have that, and
he's talking about that. Yeah, it is a best of five, but when you go one apiece, you get to
treat it a bit more like a best of three. And it really did feel like there was that reset
for them. Of course, they had the learning lessons when it came to draft, but in terms
of gameplay. It was just as clean as game number one. Well, I don't want to put a caveat
to that, but just as clean.
This game was hard to watch for most of it, honestly. Navigana just got routed everywhere
all the time. It was almost no stopping, it felt like.
I mean, it's like liquid get double wisdom. We're going to watch them kill through the
middle of the knee shirt and then show them the odd stones right here, but Mithio
Consistently getting off his ultimates on the cares like it just felt like liquid had the map play had the moves and RV
You've got very static cause right invoker razor central
They want to kind of hold their lane hold their farm then get into the game and it just didn't happen
So they did good points from now V with the blunders from liquid rather than it truly being like a positive for Navi
Yeah, I just feel like you know make it he's kind of owning in like these games even the co-op game that they end up losing
He's kind of popping off like his movement as well
I think here in the kids game and I guess value is that you can just see it like in all these tips same if you know
Boxing on the Marcy and Nisha and we talk about these players over and over again. It's like one of the reasons
I personally I don't like this X sort in Volker pick like I think you're playing into liquid and obviously it's not about draft
But obviously it's important like to talk about you know the bad weather versus raid versus razor trade in the draft
Is it good for you? We've now seen it two times back ended up winning two times back to back
So that's one thing you should consider and the other thing to you know that liquid if they can play through
And if Boxie has a good lane and he can go to this lane, which he did over and over and over again
I think this is how Liquid win most of the game
So if you're Navi, you need to make at least a small switch up for the next game
There's one constant at least for Navi, right? And he's got the juice. He's finding the net worth on the carry
He's finding his way to like stamp his authority in every game
I think the problem is like it's just not consistent from the other roles, right?
There's been the question mark on PMA and he's here in the first game
And then you have like Niku going into Invoker in this game
It's like I feel like they're not even when they're not we aren't having average games
It's either having a bad game or a good game like that
I thought I if they just stepped up slightly then maybe you can enable got the juice but again
It's just too much variables in Na'Vi gameplay. Yeah, but I'm not even sure if this offline from PMA and ziats is like 100%
Due to heroes or if how much gameplay is involved
But this warlock is clearly the problem. They lost the safe lane before as well
They just got some comeback kills and I think they just can't survive against these lanes like this
And it's honestly the biggest problem in this game because mid is like mid is going bad and they counterpicked themselves
Which to me is like he he xd you picked in vocal and take into the voids bird
That's not great, but the other side you pick this since our blind you we were picking it
It's like your stronghold here. We think we can pick this blind. They can't counter it clearly
They definitely can and for me you need something
Actually solid that can't be countered because a lane like this is not is not though
You can't keep having this double wisdom happen. Yeah, I think the only like stronghold lane that had ball
Well, it was their safe lane. You talked about God of Juice. He's been performing also very well, I think, in this series.
But like you're saying, and that's also another reason why I think the Exord Invoker just isn't as good.
Like, you want to play off of, like, winning lanes. You can play off of Razor Grimstroke.
I think he got one, like, Sunstrek Kill in that lane. But you're off lane, you're getting kind of clapped.
So I think there's just a lot of things that aren't, like, that isn't making it much easier for Navi when it comes to the gameplay.
Because, I mean, we've seen it. Like, if Liquid get off to a good start, and they absolutely did in this game, they're just running you over.
to try and find a positive for the Invoker.
It's like when you do have Grimstroke utilizing Ink's World
and you have a Centaur and another lane,
there's an argument that there's going to be aggression from Liquid
matched with a stun to then get hit with a Sunstrike, right?
But the problem is it was like only the odd backrider kill.
It wasn't like constant Sunstrike oppression.
It wasn't as if Liquid was falling into this trap.
And meanwhile, you then had Niku, who was getting ganked as well.
So it's like the Sunstrike weren't really connecting.
You were getting pressured. I fully agree.
It's just like it just felt like a
Like a vibes pick based on game two rather than it actually being good for this game
Do you know what then Niku really needs to do the Navi tell me huh?
He needs to have an out-of-left field pick for himself
It's me too stable ember mid and then to invoke a games bring back like the kez or the IO
Something funky maybe not so much the dazzle. I don't want to get Quinn worked up. That's what
Let me start it, let me start it.
No, I mean, I fully agree.
Yeah, I just think when you see a Invoker game go this way, it's like, yes, maybe you're not able to necessarily go toe-for-toe on Nisha.
When it comes to the laning phase, you look for the Sun Strikes down in the side lane, hoping to give yourself a little bit extra.
But when it goes that bad, you have to go, okay, I want to go back to my Ritzy, I'm an okay Invoker player, but we couldn't, can try and catch them off guard.
I just think it's like also one of his strengths is that, like, when he sees a match, you're picking, like, kind of, own it, and like, you're fine to hear what he wants.
I think you could have looked for like maybe a DK or a Death Prophet like insert whatever here
I just preferred more when you see something and it's good for you
And you also stop what the enemy wants to do at the same time like liquid Nisha once a good lane box
He wants to go there that want to make that happen
Of course, I don't want to only talk about you know, they lost because they picked in Volker
There's so much more you in the grand final you can win with whatever draft you have
But the gameplay on the other sides it also needs to be needs to be stepped up
Yeah, but we could also be high level. That's one thing. That's true. Yeah, that next point
I was gonna say we should focus on liquid right because it is one of those things
It is always easier to pick apart what teams have done wrong for themselves
But on the other side, I really want to lift up liquid right now
You know, they're one game up in a best of five one game away from lifting that last lamp trophy
And it was so much more that was going right for them
I did say it was a clean game again with a caveat. We'll get to that
Okay, but everything else around that was so good
We've praised this team multiple times on how they're able to utilize the map for themselves
how they're able to make it feel like this map is half the size of what it actually is.
Yeah, just think Liquid once they have like a good grasp on the game, like,
I just want people to pay attention how they're moving, you know, they have very good vision
and now they're moving towards bottom and you can see Mika he's going up to go to the gates
where you can connect bottom, Ace at the same time is immediately pushing in the bottom side,
so they're always playing with like this three-man ball, you know, Nisha with the two supports
and then the other two cores they act accordingly. If they have to back off the other guy can
push in but here at this point they can all come together to this play and it's like everyone
is protected. They also have lane watch, they have insanely good vision. So suddenly there isn't
really a good play for Na'Vi other than trying to dodge and if your best play is like just dodging
the opponent, it is just about, you know, it's just a matter of time until you get picked off somewhere.
So I think Liquid's map play, it's just the best thing that this team has going for them.
Yeah, the problem in that clip as well is like that Marcy was 800 gold below, I didn't actually
read it, my gosh, it's not that good. And like he was so close to the center, right? So it's
like the fact is, not only did they win the lane, they're making all these map plays,
Marcy's about to overtake Centaur through this map progression, through finding the kills.
And often, like when you have aggressive map play, the traigophers, a core and the enemy team,
who isn't getting ganked, will be able to recover their farm. But I never felt like Centaur was able
to recover because, like, one guy could die, and guess what, Liquid? They're now on the other
side of the map again, so do not let Boxy be this conductor. Like, well, on the clocks,
the Earthspirits, the Titans, the Marcy's. He feels like he's always just leading his
team through Nisha as well, through, you know, Tofu's rallying behind that as well. Like,
They are so scary when they hit this rhythm.
Yeah, I mean, I think you can really see the impact of these lanes going bad and the supports are so free.
I think that's one of the things Liquid did really well.
This game is they're bringing both subs to mid and they're killing around Nisha.
They've done it a million times before and they will do it a million times again.
And it will keep working unless you do well enough in your side lanes
that your supports can also come mid and help your mid player.
Because whenever you just let them ransack you like this, Niku is just AFK farming for a really long time.
Nisha, we all know this guy, we all know what he's capable of.
You can't be getting in free free lane speed. We talked about it
He counterpicked himself and I think whether it's hipster or not for his next hero
If you've got the last pick figure out something different with the bands because I think we saw similar bands from both the early bands
And the later ones and I think now they may be a little bit inexperienced
They sort of just expected either the same thing will happen
And I think drafts rarely go that way when you try to run it back after you just want a game
Well, the enemy is gonna adapt they know that stuff wasn't good for them
So they're gonna change things tweak stuff and they kind of just walk back into what liquid change
I think liquid may very good changes, but Navi a little a little I don't know respectful maybe in place it. Yeah
I mean they wanted to try like the razor bat
I think maybe from the other side obviously, you know, it didn't really work out
But I do think it's a it's an easy swap for the next game and again
We are in like a BO5 scenario, you know, you have room to try some things
But in the next game, I think it just has to be like a
A mixture, you know not just draft or not just the gameplay like try to talk about both kind of like be clean about
What are you prioritizing and I do think it comes down a lot to the two supports and nature like how they get how they get to interact
Because if they can do it freely, I think that's like when liquid look at their absolute prime form
Yeah, we'll talk about that draft in a little bit because there are a lot more variables that are gonna go into it with some
Of the information we have but we got to talk about how it wasn't necessarily a clean game from liquid despite the fact
them throwing that word around. I did say that caveat and we're gonna re-watch it
and talk about a little bit here because liquid just really going all in when
they didn't have to. Yeah this is a rare mistake I think from Nisha first of all
getting caught out with no spells up in the base so like they get stuck on this
goofy little wall and then I think after this the fact that liquid don't
really just reset they re-engage here they make it runs in full force whole
hog and they just dive the base and not this bit is maybe somewhat reasonable
But they continue to go further and further and further and further and further and further and all the way up until the base behind the throne
And this is this is the kind of stuff that I think if the game is slightly closer will cost you
We've talked about Navi making these kinds of mistakes all the time and liquid apparently they're they're no stranger to them either
But this is Navi 5. Yeah, this is the Navi effect like you have this happen to you
And seriously like we're gonna do it back to them. We're gonna show it how it's done. No, you're not
Don't do it. I mean there's even one cool thing in that clip as well, right?
You know the late dust from boxy. We actually have his POV so when they're going for the dive right like with the utilization of glimmer near the base
You're right. Someone's gonna clutch up by that dust boxy. He thinks about that early on
He doesn't open the shop during the dive, but then when he has the shop open he miss clips
He actually buys a morbid mask rather than a dust
So then after that he has to buy the dust sell them all but then use the dust
So the reason why it was late wasn't because he just thought about it too late
He just miss clicked and then decided to sell the morbid pre dust so again all the small things in Dota
We wouldn't have seen that if we didn't have that beautiful camera POV
But again, if he bought the dust didn't miss click maybe the razor dyes
Maybe the dyes kind of hype, but cool little little addition to that clip
Yeah, that was that was fantastic. Do you can you alter what's in the bottle? I've never once altered
Yes, that line you can
Today I learned you can alter that line
You can obviously alter what's in like your like your actual shop. I did not yeah like the early game mid-game late game
Yeah, that part I knew, but I did not know about that little speed and support play for too long.
I haven't changed that bar so...
Yeah, I've never needed to. I've never needed to do what, like, hot buy a morbid mask like I've done before.
I rate the fact that in that moment, his mind was like, oh my god, I don't have a morbid mask,
rather than just using the dust, you know? Like, we're talking about like a 0.1 second decision,
right? But still, it's so cool. I think Boxy's one of the few people that constantly thinks about
things, because like, again, we have tranquil boots. He had tranquil boots this entire game.
Oh, sorry, for the first like 15, he disassembles, keeps using, he disassembles, then he buys Facebooks, like he is one of the players that I think thinks about his inventory a lot more than other people, where they might be a bit more stagnant with what's happening in there.
It's also, I think it's a good trade, like for the role. I think you cannot be a good position 4 player if you're not using like every single second of the game like in a good way.
I think even like if I think about like when Saksa played SlarkPost 4, it's, here's like a lot of small things.
Where can you de-ward? It's night time here. You're walking here. You're blocking this camp.
You're throwing a sentry into something else. So I do think it comes with his role.
Yep.
I mean, I think especially when you're playing these melee heroes and you're someone who's like played them for a long, long time,
where you're standing and positioning yourself in aggressive areas for the enemy, like taking vision, not only with your wards, but with your body.
Like, there is, like, time is money. Like, you're not getting gold anywhere, so you need to be using your time, because that's the only gold you got.
Yeah, and that's probably why I told them over at Mosque. He's like, I can't be wasting gold.
If he knows it's about the guy, he doesn't want to lose.
You have to sell it for half when he spawns.
That's going to be like...
It's all blah, all right?
He's definitely been maxing over there.
And Alvesta 5 is going to keep on giving
because there's a whole other game
that we get to watch and dissect.
But that's going to be happening after this break.
I have one pizza, yes or no?
Yes.
You have one pizza?
Yes.
I know.
Yeah, right now.
Pineapple on pizza, yes or no?
Listen to me, I have a lot of Italian friends
who've been to Italy.
Do not put pineapple on pizza.
If you do, you cannot show your face in Italy.
That's the end of it.
No.
Mr. Cici!
Ah, it's the best contrast in the world!
Come on, I'm sleeping.
No.
Final judge.
We have some very hot information.
These are official Valve facets that they proposed.
These are 100% genuine facets, don't be.
And these won't get put in the game if you don't approve them.
Just wanted your opinion on them.
We didn't make these up at all, I promise.
This is the first one. Record scratch.
This is disruptive.
Genetic field pauses, all projectiles inside it.
And when the field expires, the projectiles raise.
I like this one.
It's also a part hero.
This cannot fit me.
It doesn't seem like busted. It could be like a fast and lean game.
It could be. It could work, maybe.
Yeah.
It's like special moments.
You can do some cool stuff with Go Scepter on this, right?
It would make playing Grinch carries pretty annoying.
This actually can be OP, because then you can time items after it.
You can time a Go Scepter.
You can save your team.
I think you can just end the game with this team.
Buy Octarin, and then you're like, guys, let's go here.
The problem is the canary field has a one second spawn timer.
Right.
So you can't really ever get any use of this?
Yeah.
It'll be like trenches, you know?
Like, go?
Here.
Let's go up.
Mark, until you get to the ancients.
Final pardon.
This is Warlock.
This is my favor.
And you're a support player, so you'll like this.
You can sacrifice an allied hero to instantly refresh
all of your cooldowns.
Busted.
But it's ours from now on.
It would be so funny.
But instantly, I'm also going to say pop cube.
I would love to sacrifice allies.
Once again, everyone would just do this in Grifage every all the time.
But probably a bit too strong, I would say, because there's people who are about to die
and you sacrifice them to attack counters of the nine or you're like saving them.
You can do that for the game.
The sacrifice position, right?
Exactly.
Imagine, imagine.
There is five, your guy is dying, but you see he is dead.
You just like eat him and sacrifice, yeah.
Then you can like, you refresh yourself and you like, die, you're a guy.
So some of the players have been saying that would actually be too good because you could just pick someone that was near death
It's like a perfect deny on that hero. Oh, you're thinking I was thinking like a healthy group my game
Let's make it like that
Sacrificing I don't know usually the position five just the five. Yeah, we're squeezing you on all right reverse time
This is we've when we've a dice all other heroes are reverted to the position health manner from four seconds earlier
So when he dies the whole game winds back four seconds
Ooh, sounds very chaotic.
When you're holding position on another hero,
then your weaver dies,
then you're gonna waste your good position.
I don't see you being in the game
because, you know, too much chaos is enough
for, though, I guess.
Is that you're gonna sacrifice yourself?
I'm just warring your life.
You're gonna be in this thing.
You imagine, like, egging in,
you're thinking and sacrifice yourself.
Not only your team, you can also help your enemies.
It's... it's...
No.
No?
It's just, like, I can only imagine,
like, trying to balance this one.
Yeah.
I'm thinking you could kill yourself to save your friends, then.
I don't know if you would bring them back from there.
Oh yeah? Yeah, yeah, exactly where they were for a second.
Oh, then you can kill yourself as we were.
Just jump into the deck hole.
Yeah.
If it's globally, I could sit and rush it with armlets,
wait for my carry to get jumped,
and then I would decide like a global save.
Would people do that?
Yeah.
Dragon Knight, this is deep pockets.
He gains an extra infantry slot.
What do you think we need people in the first place?
Like the game is just balanced around a finite amount of inventory results.
I think it needs to be like from TF1.
Now, maybe Zayn could work like this.
But this is too much.
This is too broken.
You think a 9-slotted DK is broken?
DK, like it's kind of busted here right now.
Like you see this DK's collector level 25 is like 70 armor.
Maybe there's 3 more slots here.
Good luck.
We didn't think about this, but like when you get this fast,
you lose the other fast, so like...
These are going to lose the OP part of the cave, which is the final hit takes hours.
It's broken, but I think it can be fun to have something that scales on top, like the Pagna one.
I would say I don't like this one.
I would love to play this. Give this to me, fools.
I'll pass that on to Val, that's a shame. They were very keen on that one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, we've got two storied teams here. We've got Liquid and Na'Vi.
So I want to go back in time. You've been watching Dota for a long time?
A very long time.
Very long time. I want you to think pick a team, pick Navi or Liquid.
Which moment do you think is the most famous moment, the most memorable moment for that team?
Liquid, miracle, double damage rune on TI. Yeah, that's probably the most memorable one.
That's a good one. That's a good one. We're going to move down the queue. Thank you.
See who else we've got here. Young man, can I ask you a question?
We've got two teams. You've got Liquid and Navi in the final here, obviously.
Pick a team and pick the most memorable moment you can think of for those teams.
you can pick one. I think maybe this Friday when Liquid beat Falcons, that was a big one.
That was very memorable. I enjoyed that one. Thank you sir. Let's keep going.
Can I ask you a quick question? So we got Liquid, we got Na'Vi, they got long histories these
teams. Pick a moment for either of those teams. Do you think it was like man that was just the
best Liquid moment or that was the most memorable Na'Vi moment? Once Na'Vi figured out
that if you hook from the push and the IO went you on the fun team, you go straight away there.
Fountainhook, that was memorable. Let's do another person. Hello, can I ask you a question?
Wait, haven't I already asked you a question? Well, you know, whatever.
Pick Navi or Liquid. I want you to pick a moment from those teams' histories,
the most memorable moment you can think of one of those teams.
I think Liquid winning TI two years ago, Trio against Gaiman was like the most
dominant liquid run ever so probably that that's a good shout that's a good
shout let's find one more person hello sir can I ask you a quick question so we
got now V we go liquid I want you to pick a memorable moment for either team the
most memorable you can think of for Navi or for liquid not just this series but
all-time I think when the Navi won the TA. Navi winning TA that's fair enough
that's a good one all right well lots of memorable moments let's see if these
teams can manufacture any more in the grand finale.
Well, I feel like they definitely have.
Well, at least Liquid has, as they
had a pretty memorable moment there in game number three,
when they pushed it a little bit too hard on the high ground
push.
But either way, I'm sure there's
going to be many more moments, because the game number four
will be coming up for us soon.
But what have you guys enjoyed the most so far
about Lost Land, which say?
Probably the BO5 playoffs, I think.
Well, that's a real shame.
What a segue.
Unlocked.
Let's go, Kessler.
Woo!
We're going to talk about it back.
That blast slam is seven.
Keep it up, guys.
It's great.
Happening in a Copenhagen.
It's going to be returning back to Denmark.
Woo!
A lot of fun with Atlanta playoffs.
June 4th to 7th.
You can see it as well.
The group stage and the last chance qualifiers happening just before that one.
But there is also going to be a format change-up.
So unfortunately, Kessler, your favorite part of the best of five playoffs, it's
been changed around.
We've got...
We got the elimination, we got the last chance qualifiers, best of threes, but our group stage I think is the most notable change up, T.
Yeah, we're giving it a break for the teams. You know, best of fives, they're, you know, they're, they're, they're, they're a lot of effort.
You start doing it every time.
Exactly. Right, but week one, what I care about, these best of ones with no elimination, boring. They turn up, they play like eleven games and they get to play this like best of three and they survive.
No more! The bottom two teams, you're not good enough, get out of here. We don't want you out of slums, so we have elimination in the group stage.
to me that's my that's my happy change that's the why careful and it's also top
four teams going to playoff so again different where it's like before going
to playoff there's elimination so in the last chance qualifiers also looks a
little bit different too but you'll just have to wait and watch when Blast
Land 7 comes around because that's where all the action is going to be even
though there is still action to enjoy right now in Malta without best of
five continuing so game number four some change ups you guys already talked
about it, hopefully trying to give Niku a better match up against Nisha. Or support second helping.
I think so and I think prioritizing this warlock a little bit higher as well. I think
Riddies is very very comfortable on this hero and it has caused the massive problems in the lane
the past couple of times on Navi. So to me, up the priority on that a little bit,
don't do this Razor Batrider trade and just try something new. It's game four,
I think you've got to mix it up a little bit, don't run back into the same mess.
But if you do do the trade, like at least don't do hoodwing out of phase and second,
I think just delete that hero from your thoughts, take the ball that you mentioned, and I'll be a lot happier.
I've not seen hoodwink so far at Slam, be like, wow, is that impactful hero.
There was an era where teams like PB and Falcons and Tundra would just lock it in as early as possible,
because you knew it can do everything in the game, but right now, it doesn't have the same impact.
I'm not really vibing with the hero, I think that pick then kind of put them in this kind of crumbling position where the draft integrity just kind of fell apart.
Yeah, I agree with both of you. I don't really want to see this trade off the Razor Bad.
I think just go for something like maybe new and more clean if you're Navi for the next game.
To me, it's like the often you have PMA versus Miki.
I think Miki in the series has generally, you know, he came out on top, especially with the Kez in the last game.
And then you also have Niku versus Nisha in the mid lane.
Like help each other out, I think build on something better where you can protect each other, play with each other a bit more,
and like have better matchups like overall that you can then play on afterwards because I think the last game,
last game, it was just not that easy. And I think we all know that Liquid right now,
they're in a very good form. If they have a playable draft or good lanes, they will run
back what they did last game.
One good thing to take away from Na'Vi, right? When they beat Yandex, they still were two
games down in the series. Like they were able to have these conversations, understand
the problems, and then fix them. So I feel like Na'Vi have proven that they don't
just crumble inside of best of five. That is the biggest question that we have for
any team in this format, especially for Na'Vi. Because they had that top two, we just
didn't know what they were like in Best of Fives.
This roster, this organization, does not pay in Best of Fives.
So again, I feel like they've shown that,
and I really am hoping to see that change up.
Yeah, I mean, the more we see from them,
the more I honestly respect these guys.
I think they're super fun to watch.
They're really passionate about the game.
And they're also like, you can see it on the cams.
They're not stressed at all.
They're kind of just vibing and hanging out.
This Niku guy looks like he's having a walk in the park.
Not like he's about to play a Best of Five.
I don't think this guy's felt stressed the day in his life
as the way it looks.
And I think that's very commendable.
I think it's it's just cool to watch people who are just in their element genuinely enjoying the game
I think they actually really really love Dota you hear from people these guys eat breed and sleep this game
And so I think you know watching them actually see the fruits of their labor and being a best of five
That's that's a treat. Yeah, because it's all about how you frame it
Right, it's you're on stage in front of a crowd playing your best of five to win the tournament
But the other way you can say it is you're on a stage in front of a crowd getting to play a best of five
right? If this is all you love and eat, breathe, whatever you would just stay in there, Quinn,
it is definitely in their element. And I want to focus up on the draft as it will be starting
pretty soon. One of the big key things here is Liquid is going to have first picked again. So
in game number two, they had it. They overlooked the bat, took the razor. Game number three,
they were first to pick. This time around, they went for the bat. And so I do wonder how
big of a change up are these bands going to be? Do you really want to have that bat razor
exchange again. Is that potentially the way Liquid wins the grand final?
I hope they don't do that. I think that would be very bad for Navi.
Good advice!
And I also don't think they will. I think oftentimes when you lose to a hero, it's just nice to just
switch. We'll lose to something else if we're going to lose, but we're not going to keep running
back into the same thing. I've made them a mistake before and you feel very silly after.
And so see why I think he's learned the lessons from those finals we lost together
and they're going to fix that and they're going to play against something different.
It's just nice to, I think, get into a new game.
You've now seen the trade twice, it's fine.
You had your chance to play it from both sides, it didn't really work out.
Just do something new, I think, especially when you're down.
You want to take it one game at a time, don't put yourself like some deja vu,
you're playing as the same hero, you just lost two twice, so just do something different.
But if they do give away the Batrider,
I feel like there's at least a clear path to fix in the second phase,
and maybe having the predictability of that might help Navi have some comfort.
So I fully agree with you, but I could see a world in which they want to have some knowledge kind of already given to them.
Yeah, and there's a lot of theory that we can throw at the wall in hopes of trying to predict what Liquid and Na'Vi will do for themselves in game number four.
But instead of that, let's just get the answers as we get our game for draft underway.
We're gonna see how our draft plays out again liquid with the first pick here but also the
advantage in a best of five that one game away from winning a blast slam six and is
that gonna be a surmountable amount of pressure on them where we see them played
differently. Is this draft going to have a couple of unexpected bands as I'm looking at the bands
for themselves in the first place? The Nature's Prophet is what is now put to the side, put back
into the pool, and it's the Kez that's taken out from Navi. Yeah, Nature's Prophet was the biggest
question mark band I think so far in the entire series. The other team has done it. Navi coming
into the best five starts doing this. Of course, I think they're protecting their safe name
with both Jakira and Kez, but they do give away the Bat Rider, which means they do have
access to other options, like Razor, they don't care for that, instead they just go straight
away for the Tiny.
Very interesting.
This sort of begs the question, are you forcing Liquid to the Bannet second phase?
Maybe you don't care too much about it.
If you're taking this Tiny, that means you feel like you have enough cores you can
pick there on the pick out the phase, that it's enough.
And also you maybe force Liquid to waste the Bannet, so there's some advantage
there but apparently they just feel it's too important and I think I mean at least
he's not playing hoodwink so I'm honestly not too opposed sort of thing
because I it's kind of owned in the other tiny games even though they lost one of
them so I'm okay with it. Yeah I mean I do like that Liquid stick to the first
pick bad rider and you they don't just jump on the nature's profit I think
they would have had a bad trade where you first pick nature's profit and you
give Navi the bad rider I think it's still a hero that Liquid can look
towards in the next phase if Navi don't take it out I mean Navi
prioritized you know taking out the bird man which should help PMA with
his off-limpics I guess he just he doesn't have very good matchups into this hero you know like most
of the heroes he wants to play like the Mars the Centaur I think these are still heroes that Navi
could look towards in the next phase. I just feel like Navi need to take the Warlock out of
phase if it's not banned here when you look at Riddie's hero pool like the easiest heroes that
rotate into what's mid lane it's the Warlock when you have the Grimoire charges or it's the
shop the shop just getting banned by Liquid in every game so it's only really Warlock is his
active hero and the rest of them kind of want to play more into the lane yeah I
mean I definitely agree with the sentiment about the offline heroes against
Kes, Mars, Centaur both these heroes just got way way more pickable so that 16-17
got a lot easier which I think is a big part of why their draft fell apart last
game is the 16-17 just getting massively punished by Birdman. So out of
phase of course we're talking about Warlock you just mentioned Mars again
because of the cats, so which one would you value higher for Navi to take if it is going
to be between those two heroes? I would say not Mars, not a phase, not with Tiny anyway.
And this already does give them a lot better like teamfight I would say compared to the other
games. I wonder like how Liquid want to go about this. Obviously Badrider I think he's fine
like in that type of lane. Do they want to like look for more disbells? Do they like want to
I do some swap a rule where you could look also for like a dark seal later and maybe bad writer can play support
Or do you just not keep playing in the offline? It's look good in the other games
He can still buy good items against the warlock. So I'm just kind of curious how liquid on a respond to it
If there ever was a time where liquid would change things when they see a hero to the spell and pick logger, right?
It's the logger plus support now turf who takes a five and like you're talking about so
It's definitely an option.
I just feel Batrider not on core is just so incredibly mediocre and it's so powerful
on core that it's like there's so many like Mott who once said like you don't counter
a good hero with a bad hero and I feel like that is very much the case.
I actually forgot that this hero kind of slipped through.
This one is quite good.
I definitely like it like with Batrider.
I think that's also something else obviously Navi had to choose you know between one
or the other obviously you know they want Warlock with a bit more like help themselves
of the team fight, but Liquid, they'll be very happy with their SD themselves.
Okay, so it's definitely offline Batrider, and this is a lot of skirmish.
It's a lot of fight.
It's a lot of heroes that are pretty good against Warlock.
Warlock generally likes whenever you have clunky heroes who are sort of committing into
an area.
You can drop the rock and then chase them down.
These heroes are all over the place.
It's chaos, and it's a lot of heroes that have mobility or ways to sort of get rid
of his garbage.
I think they've done a pretty good job picking against this Warlock, and I'm not sure if Riddies will have the same
Impact as we have seen from some of the other Warlocks
Yeah, Liquid have finished some of the best heroes that poking out spells between Batred and Ursprit
And it's like one wrong golem, one wrong kind of initiation from a tiny, and then the rest of the picks from Liquid
Still, Nisha and Micky's here, we'll be able to capitalize on that to try and break the fight
I mean, I would like like some double pick of like Mars, Weaver
Maybe I do think it's a very good Mars game, like locking Batred down
especially when it's here on Russia's boots of bearing same for like Estee and
Erster like once these guys are in even if there's a disruption you lock them
down obviously you will have to run a Mars tiny dual offline which you know isn't
the strongest but you did take out the Kez and I think also you most likely know
the bad rider is the offlaner I think you should lock in your got the juice
here or here. Is that why Liquid already have kind of punished Navi because
the position 5 shadow demon right that you can just follow the tiny just
up to him when it goes to wave pool you're gonna lose aggro on the creeps
it's gonna be really just annoying to play the the four melee bro kind of
laning phase. It's just I think it's not easy to find a lot of offlaners here
that you'll be happy with to play blind into like the liquid pick. So I think you
might just like you take like the semi-l to help yourself in line with like the
mid-range inciting. Whenever you look at Navi, this type of draft is the one
that you want to see them with every single time right? But the lanes are
you know gonna go average even and they always have forms of fire. This is
why I think they've just been missing it a couple times in the in the
ground fight also far and I still like to see these next few picks like I do I am
still worried that there's the potential they get ransacked in lanes again and
run over. Niku Puck is always a good sign and Puck is a pretty good Puck
him I don't like for like for Earth Spirit has some good elements against Puck
but it's not the end of the world and you've got a lot of help on your side
you've got Warlock, Keele and Mars sort of disrupting the same thing with
tiny so I can see why they pick it he's very comfortable on it
and it's probably carry DK to be honest and they they last look I think mid
DK is just not very good to be honest and carry DK is much better and DK is also
one of the best carry heroes against Mars it helps that Mars doesn't really
apply kill threat so now DK also kind of tanky so you're gonna be fine there
and actually I think it doesn't feel bad like if he has to TP and make moves on the map
saving from a potential coil-gank where it's like tiny plus buck,
it's not as if your carry is now left on an island and dying as well.
It's like, it kind of simplifies the move from Tofu,
it kind of takes away some of that pressure.
The drafting from second pick is actually pretty interesting,
because if you look at the bands from Navi,
if you don't ban Kez in the first phase,
you wouldn't have the Husker band in the second phase.
And I think this Mars Park 1617 is just illegal,
and you can kind of lose on the spot to one of them being picked on 18.
Yeah.
I think it's like the future investment bands is actually very interesting.
And I think also, if you're first pick now, you used to have the ban out of phase, when you pick the hero on 23, you don't really have that any more either.
So I do think drafting has gotten even more interesting than it used to be.
Yeah, it was definitely way too first pick sided, and second pick you kind of just had to take your lumps and get beat up, whereas now I think as second pick you have more chances to do things and actually potentially win the draft.
Last pick, I mean it's interesting to me to leave Guthus juice for last pick, I mean every
other game they've been giving it to Niku and this time they're just saying, yeah you
know it's a crew, and each of you can have your matchup.
And we believe Niku is so good at Puck that it doesn't matter, which I think is possible
as the case.
I think this is by far his most comfortable hero, but there is still stuff in the pool.
There's Beastmaster, there's Ember Spirit, both of these heroes, very very good against
Puck.
where I was kind of leaning towards. Just here is the kind of just help with the chaos.
Like Navi, they have all the control in the world, but outside of the spells, I'm a bit
worried for the damage. I think God the Juice needs to kind of help connect that a bit.
We've already looked at Liquid being a bit more kind of chaotic on the map. Sure, Navi
will eventually be able to play on their own timings, but that is one thing I'm slightly
scared of. Navi needs to play a very calm game. Like offer up the aggression,
be in the position, kill the map there on towers, and then just keep kind of being
fishing on the map that way. I mean do you guys have a preference between the
two? I think like Beast gives you maybe like a bit more like you know summons
and like annoyance and you have a slightly better lane I would say against
the puck but I think Ember plays quite nicely into Navi's draft like even if
there's a coil or a marcerine on you you have some SD disruption behind you
you're super annoying for the supports. Beast like gives you the rush on and
that gives you the chaos on the map and the perk in the spells. Yeah I
mean I think I genuinely think both are fine. I'd probably pick Ember, some
bad at beast. Misha's good at both so I honestly think it's a coin flip what he
feels on the minute. I think there's also a possibility that he's got some
secret third option that I haven't thought of but very likely between one of
those two. I'm thinking about got the juice and how we run society's landing
as Batrider. There's this interesting... I think this situation is pretty
interesting where the enemy first picks a hero and you know where it is but
you still leave your carry for last. So you essentially let everyone else be
So that you can even though you saw your lane at the very beginning that you want the last pick
I think that's very interesting and for me this pick needs to be
Ownage because you sacrificed a lot to get there. You've got counterpicked in both other lanes
Will it be enough? I don't know
I'm not a fan. Uh-oh. Oh
You can't just say uh-oh and leave it at that. I mean it's Ursa against shattered even. Yeah, bad
So I was against Batrider, pretty bad.
And I also think Ursa is pretty bad against Dragon.
I carry in a lot of the game, eventually I think it becomes fine.
But I think there's big chunks where it's bad, and it's also bad against Ember.
So, I am not 100% sure why they picked it.
Maybe they felt like they had no better options.
But this is worrisome for me.
To me, it feels like Na'Vi, they're really happy with their teamfight,
and they felt like they were missing out on like the Tamentors, the Roshans.
That's ways to kind of control that 20-minute mark of the game, which is so crucial.
But that's kind of about it for me. Like of course you get battlefield, blink, and then a Blistle, and then you're always hunting, but yeah, it feels volatile.
Sure, you can combo break a little bit, but yeah, with the SD pickup, with the fact that DK vs. Ursa as you go later into the game, DK doesn't really care as much.
He's kind of vice-attractive, can kind of shrug off whatever Ursa does to him.
To me, I just feel like Navi is just looking at that kind of 20-minute mark of the game.
And also your carry player, the big shotcaller, the voice of your team, he's asked for it, so you just have to trust him at all like in this moment.
But for the draft, it doesn't feel like the best carry pick, but if he's confident with it, then we have to see what he can do.
Yeah, it gives you the follow-up damage into Puck and Mars, but I'm not a fan of this pick. I don't think it's good.
So I will absolutely agree. I think it comes back to the comfort and what they were kind of looking for.
I think they ran out of options. I would say Liquid should be quite happy seeing the bear come out as the last pick.
Because they have a lot of good answers, and I think with how they have played, they should have the upper hand in this game.
But Navi, I'm just looking for them to show me what they got.
have Niko put on a performance here on his puck. He's done it many times before
because I feel like they need to show some good individual performance.
No, I totally agree. I think this is a game where they need to stand out, focus on yourselves.
Don't worry about the draft. Don't think about, oh, we scale better any of these
these worries, these inhibitions. Put it all aside, play an individual excellent game
and let the dota do the talking.
Well, Boxy Earth Spirit hasn't lost yet. See, is that enough for you to be convinced on the liquid drop?
I mean liquid playing so so well and they've got so much comfort right on there on their heroes and be fair
I'll spur it in the fall position boxies like the only guy doing it
So that alone is a treat to watch but forgot the juice. Yes, sir
Second highest win rate here for him
So if you are asking for a player to be comfortable on a hero then it is that but yeah
We'll have to see if the comfort can shine. Oh for sure both sides really getting comfort
I would say and before today it had been a whole week since we had seen bat rider
He was definitely in the high priority list of being banned now
He's one of the past two games that we've seen him in will he be the hero that enables liquid to win Blast lamb six
game 4 here in the BLASTLAM 6 Grand Finals, Liquid currently up 2-1 against NAVI, Fogged,
force draft. It's an interesting one, like in a liquid they get quite a lot of the strong stuff.
Navi, they decide to end the lineup here with an Ursa. As the panel said, it's one of his best,
but it's not an easy looking Ursa game. It's a very hard looking Ursa game in fact. Playing
versus Shadow Demon, playing versus Bat. These are two of the harder heroes to play around
and in Urspirit we have to actually count this one in. It's a hero that can allow people
you have a built-in silence.
I don't know, this looks very difficult for Navi.
I think maybe what they were doing is they were kind of running blow-on options,
and I think it's maybe just like, let's just pick Jus, a hero that he's very comfortable on,
and then let's just hope that Niku goes ramping, because the puck,
I think that's the one that I'm looking at, even though it's not an easy puck game,
then maybe he can do some kind of crazy stuff, but...
Oh, and this feels very difficult for Navi.
I hope they got some interesting stuff planned out for this game.
Yeah, it was it was a tough game free. It was a tough game free this game for let's see if now
We can step it up and push it to the game five
Yeah, my my worry really is see but yeah, it's double melee right playing versus the shadow demon DK
So it's gonna be free for them a shadow demon can prevent poles very easily with this disruption or with boots
Which he has it does feel like they've got all the boxes ticked for them. So for now be
Let's see what they approach you may
I've got the disruption. He's in trouble. Ready to set around it.
He's got the body blocking.
Go try and run down the river, but the Blood Grenade will be there.
They close in on him, and it's gonna be first blood for Mikkei.
Well, that's the dream for Mikkei. And Lane, that's already completely free for him,
and now he's gonna have whatever he wants to bring to start with,
either boots, gloves, etc., whatever it is.
We're pretty safe, we'll see. Yeah, that's crazy.
See how they deal with the Lane, see how Ziats.
They pretty much look sad, like Ziats is our playmaker, right?
They first picked the tiny so they're putting a lot of confidence in him
Let's see if he can make some magic happen as well
And this mid lane
Niku he can't get tripped up right it's not gonna be an easy lane for him
He's against Nisha on the ember spirit the CS sing the animation that denies they're gonna be coming in from Nisha
Niku he absolutely cannot afford to die in this one-by-one and the problem is that can happen right?
You know an orb in the wrong position you get caught by a chains you can die in this matchup
Niku this game he cannot afford to lose his life early. Yeah, I think overall, you know
They were mentioning the Beastmaster plus ember thing
We were even talking about the same thing as Jimmy and you about the pics
I think Niksha is looking in there
There can be some damage damage issues in a way versus ember even if they do catch them with everything if he has
Flameguard on there can be some situations where he can just survive versus that magical burst
So I do think that's probably what they wanted and it's a backlight piercer versus, you know warlock
So always goes again as it's merits
Riddies?
Oh, Riddies might just be dead.
He went to Contest versus the Bat Rider, but that's usually a Deathsend.
Yeah, he's not getting out of this.
Maybe he can deny to the Neutrals.
Not gonna happen.
Ace gets the last touch on him.
Riddies goes down.
Bottom lane.
They're doing the...
Not quite a bit.
They tried to set up with some sort of burst, but nowhere near enough.
And these juices gonna be getting pretty much free farm up here because of that lane setup
and all that the bitties he wants to contest this the ball it's very dangerous
as a very mobile hero like warlock versus batrider
let's give some space here to go up the juice though get in the CS pretty nicely
so far in the lane with sort of the focus being shifted elsewhere boxy
we'll get the carry up make his mist a fair few of CS he does have a big
wave coming on him so catch up but I saw just he actually just missed two under the
tower of it. Oh a couple of mislastics. Careful make up we're watching. I'm watching.
It should still be free for him anyway. Not gonna get easier and easier for him down there.
Yeah yeah especially with Tofu at the side able to pump up pretty
significant damage here on the Shadow Demon to start zoning both of PMA
and ziots
Mid lane though so far so good for niku keeping up with the cs of niche here on the amber spirit
Yeah, not a bad start so
Any time you're able to save
Just it's how do they are they gonna have any sort of rotation coming? Can you kind of?
Get an early support move
PMA
It'll be okay. Um, I don't know if they've not he really wants to break their lanes
I think they're probably just gonna keep them like this the bad rudder is not really pressuring the ursus
Which I would say now he's happy about that
I'm going to turn with the slider fist and he is bottling up so we'll be fine there.
Push in the limits.
Niku is doing amazing in the match of 26 to the 28th.
Top lane!
They're over again on top of Riddies again.
Got the juice.
Trying to see if he can find something in return here but cannot fight in underneath
the firefly.
He's still here for Liquid and mid lane Niku is going to have to take the walk back to base.
That hurts a bit for him, that's such a good start that he's at top also.
This is a lane that you have to be very careful in as this Ursa and Warlock, even those who are mentioned,
Juice is free farming, you've got to be careful with positioning always for his bat.
There's always going to be the kill thread at the box to see the angle for a kickback.
I just, yeah, on this point, I'm just having to eat through constant regen.
That was the last of the tangos there from PMA, so I'm very unlikely to see these two
do anything to be able to slow down Mika in the landing stage, and if anything, they're
going to be careful themselves that they don't die.
They're looking for potential spear back plays with the way the PMA's walking.
I'm seeing the tiny looking for the toss backs on Toa Fu to go for the spear under
tower.
That is one thing they can do down here, but in terms of getting much more CS, it
Looks like it's very hard.
Look who just no given those opportunities for Navi to make that play.
Level three Flameguard now online. He can just stay in that position, sustained versus Niku.
And Nisha is gonna hit 6 first, so it's not that situation where the puck did get that level 6 early.
Can ask for a rotation and go for that gank. So it's gonna be hard for them to kill Nisha at least.
This is an interesting move. Look at this. Navi, they are breaking the lanes.
bringing the whole safe lane. I think it's necessary. They have to do something pretty crazy here to try and
slow down at least one of the lanes from Liquid. They're looking for Micke, but Boxy's having to get the kick back on towards him,
so Micke's back under the tower. He'll be fine. They'll turn towards Boxy instead, and they will get him.
So they do get something out of this with the four of them down on the bottom lane.
Okay, I'm punching back, but they're still the four heroes. They're chasing on.
Now got the juices like if I make the move over here, I want more than just a support kill
Well, this is it probably isn't gonna get the chance for it
You know mckand tofu staying safe on the high ground
This is such an interesting move. They're giving back a full lane now
He did have the lane under his tower. So that's probably why they wanted to make this opportunistic move
But yeah, look you said maybe just not wanting to fully sack PMA. This is quite a commitment though
Let's do some damage on the tower
See a one-half dead
mckay
Got the juice is gonna find so food
Slow with the God's Rebut, Narvi
They should be able to pick up another kill from this play. Got the juice. We'll get the kill. We'll get the bouncy ring as well
That's it done
Tower took quite a bit of a beating but the catapult did end up dying so it is gonna survive mck8 still five ziats is looking for another play
But with these three they don't have the damage. They'll have to break things the Ursa starting to run across the map
This looks really funny
I mean hey, you know got two kills out of the move. I don't mind it at all honestly
I think they have to do stuff like this Navi
Mika?
He's got Nisha, but there's four Navi
Good split
Oh they get inside the range of the wisdom in time
but P&A's not quite able to finish it
But he has got back up the dream call comes down on the morph to two of them
Nisha trying to stand his ground, but Mika's gonna fall. Nisha, can he get out of this?
He's got a remnant, but he's not quite far enough for Waston. Navi, they'll be able to look to kill him off
beautiful. Two big kills there for Navi and they get that Shrine of Wisdom secured for themselves. Ace
elsewhere. Ace is able to dive the tank and got the juice, but in a Navi they're doing some fun stuff
here and it's working out. They're able to kind of match what liquids getting from this early game
with some of these maneuvers. At least they're not getting the double Shrine stolen. The concern
is that Ace is getting an unbelievable amount, but maybe that's just the call from them that
They're like, you know what?
We did pick, you know, Ursa into the bat.
So he probably just wants to avoid him at this point
and look to play health square.
So very interesting kind of movements coming out from now.
Even the power.
Both teams once have a look towards it.
They get a good toss back.
Zayac set up on a boxy.
And he is going to be able to get the chance
to roll away though from the three of them.
They don't have anything else to quite look him down.
Zayac was a little short on the avalanche
to follow things up.
So boxy gets out.
Playing to their strength, playing around Niku.
So now got the juice as we said it's time to hit the jungle doesn't want to play near that bat rider
And let's see what unfolds now that these lanes they've kind of broken
Navi did do some kind of cool movement to kind of fix the lanes and all that here
But we do see that liquid are coming out ahead in terms of pool
And they did get the first tower themselves even though it was a four-man committal from Navi to take one tower
Yeah, I think pretty much the the big thing that that achieved for Navi right was just ensuring that PMA
Didn't get completely left behind in farming this early game
You know he's in an okay spot now on the Mars if that sort of focus didn't come in and that sort of play down bottom didn't happen
He might continue to get just completely bullied out of the lane and being a really rough spot
Yeah, yeah, and now they do at least have like the ulti combos with the park and the bars
But they won't have to support levels just yet. That's a fourth
Okay, he's just shy so 50 XP until he does have the six on the warlock. They're about to have all the ulti's at the ready
They're gonna want to use
sort of sit an afk whilst they have these cooldowns
they have vision of mcke as well
if they can get a kill and a tower with all these thoughts that'd be pretty massive
let's put the scan
boxy remember something's coming here boxy ace is coming
get called first further back up's on the way the gold's gonna get dropped out on some
boys boxy boxy's surviving they're finally fall stairs they're coming with the dream coil
And the arena out as well, but Ace turns with the lasso onto PMA, the fire flies down PMA, starting to tick down very low.
Niku has to get out of the fight now.
So they do get a kill.
But we lose two arrows for it.
The Golem's gonna get farmed here as well as Mikke and Nisha chase it down, plus 100 here for Mikke off the back of that one.
You can see what they want to do there, right?
They want to bring everything together as soon as they get this ultimate, but it doesn't quite go as clean as they would hope for.
4 and liquid they're ready to respond now Niku
He's got him yeah, he has slight a fist of the eye of shadows will get him the kill
Well, that's a concern. Okay league now starting to build up. Yeah. Yeah, no if you had everything available
They catch they catch the boxy but boxes only level five
It's not really that big of a grab to even kill the air spirit ace just gets free reign inside the fight
Is the bat rider comes in towards the end?
It's pretty chaotic.
Yeah.
I mean, can they, they might be able to steal the stack.
It's very, pretty low.
If so, I should be the sort of combo.
I think they clear it, don't they?
Looking for a kill first, maybe.
Cry.
Alright, I guess they thought that they would be able to do, maybe, maybe it wouldn't
have been enough damage.
Maybe.
They really want this kill on Ace because he's low, maybe.
That's the cases.
They're really trying for it, but they just can't.
Now they lost their mid tower.
It's a shame they couldn't do something about that stack.
That was pretty much a three or four ancient stack.
I guess they felt that they just wouldn't have had the damage really.
They probably wouldn't have been able to clean it.
It would have been a bit messy for sure.
Toss back on a Boxy. He's had a roll away.
The Avalanche is not putting a stop to that one.
Boxy gets out of there and he's got backup.
Ace cleans up Ziats.
Continues.
Yeah, for Liquid to make the moves it looks like. Just they can pair up as two heroes, they have so much overwhelming damage.
Navi, they need a core and perhaps both supports to look for any of these type of moves.
It's difficult to see how Navi pairs up at the moment after losing so much control of the game.
30 seconds left to golem, so I can only certainly imagine that that will be when we see Navi try and respond.
Nisha has vessel done, he's got backup. Boxie has a point in silence.
Oh, and they've got the setup.
Chains come out, Niko's going to try and jump away.
Look at the dreamclaw in front of the two of them,
and the backup's here with the arena.
They could burst Reboxy, look towards Nisha,
but he's got the remnant prepared safely.
Back in the river, we'll manage to jump out,
but Navi reacts, they keep Niko safe,
and they kill Boxy off.
Great positioning from PMA.
I think that's probably how he has to play with the Tiny.
Just look to play and catch whenever Liquid does make those aggressive moves, but...
It is difficult, because you don't want to get too far behind on this Mars at all, either.
got the juices getting some space to finish up that battle fury timing is
actually not that bad compared to snow bar all things considered
as they can continue to make space for him he should be able to
kind of keep on track with the farm that mick is getting on the other side of the map on the dk
let's see if they can slow pace down a little bit more here too because they do have golem but
they want to ideally kind of combo golem with one of the two ultimates
Liquid looks like they're pretty content with sitting back and hitting to get that next
timing of items as you said that.
Quad Ancient Stack I think now it's a 5x.
Yeah this is going to really feel that sort of pipe timing and this was one of the things
right here a bit concerned of with Navi's lineup.
Sure they have these big ultimates but in terms of the damage from them he has a lot
of control.
I was going to see actually quite a few of the creeps though snipe there by Niku.
Yeah he got a fair few of those there with that ult.
I feel like 3 or 4.
Yeah, I think the majority of it, honestly, on this last hit, so a good bit of gold there, snubbed by Niku.
Yeah, this Pipe timing could be pretty massive though, if Ace doesn't want to fully commit for it, which it does look like he does, you know, versus that heavy teamfight,
you've seen multiple times, one player gets BKB, the other one gets Pipe and you can counteract it.
Navi, they do not have the heroes, they can go Pipe of course with the Mars.
I think we want to try and go for 14 minute wisdom seal
Nisha and poxy heading over no vessel charge on Nisha
PMA is gonna be careful up on the high ground
And it looks like he knows he can't contest this so it's gonna be liquid getting both of the wisdoms
Let me control in that early game again 14 minutes gold lead experience lead
It's going to be a long time before Zayac has Blink too.
They're going to have PMA with Blink relatively soon to be able to look for some aggressive
plays but Liquid is, they're getting a lot out of the map.
Feels like they're farming a little more efficiently.
Not easy for Beneku to keep up on the farm, starting to fall behind a little bit.
relies on Navi as a whole, finding those team fights.
I wonder about a chance to go for the sort of pick-offs
and plays around the ultimates.
It's just hard for Navi to want to make these type of moves
versus Liquid, as you said.
They do have the defensive shadow demon
who's just getting these constant stacks.
Liquid is extremely content with just being
able to sit back.
So it feels like Navi, the onus,
would be on them to look to make the move.
Nisha, the found him.
They found him.
Nisha.
They're going to get the south.
Shift, they have enough control and damage.
the juice coming in with the swipe so drop the golem it's niche you got that's a lot used
they get the kill but it's what can they turn it into can they look to push a tower with this
because that's a coil and a golem used ideally you want to try to at least hit a tower a bit
here he's just responding soon though maybe they can catch tofu as well
Well, she has eyes on him but that tier one has fallen pretty low and Mckay is ready to
hold it here with the dragon form and Navi they're not really going to be able to push
into the jungle quite yet especially with the respawns in play and Nisha being back
up and Nisha in fact being hot in the chase there if Navi did stick around a moment
too long.
16 minute power room coming up, it's going to be up top, just the Nimbus looking too
crazy. Obviously looking to scout out the situation. We've seen him just put them each in a century. It's down.
So they're going to be able to get the chain set up on towards him with the vessel down on to Niku.
He has to try and jump up to the high ground. We'll get away. There's going to be the last
one to put his eye out. He does base tonight himself to a neutral. The liquid, they don't go empty-handed.
They still kill off Petaini. Instead it's going to be just those painful moments where Niku
still off the map. Going to fall further and further behind him farm.
and found him farming this top line of the map.
He's gonna try and turn and stand his ground against him.
Has the backup of PMA.
Arenas down, speed control on to ace.
Defensive disruption comes out.
Don't be trying to bail ace out of this one.
Be able to get up to the high ground.
Shadow army are providing a little bit of safety.
In fact, enough to sort of fight back.
He's able to get the firefly off,
turn with a few stacks on the riddies.
PMA and Zyrester will ensure
that ace does not manage to sneak away completely.
I catch another.
also under the squad.
Ooh, the TP!
Wow.
Shadow Armulil helps him out. TP's out just in time.
The PMA's making some really nice moves, gotta be honest.
The positioning that he's in, he's always in the right place at the right time now.
That mid-play then top immediately shows up on the Mars.
Counteracting the aggression of Liquid pretty beautifully.
This Ursa's keeping neck and neck with the DK.
He's holding the game together, PMA.
My worry is the overall matchup of the Ursa right since we you know we did practice everything with how hard it can't be
versus the Shadow Demon versus a lot of these silences and all that but keeping up at least with farm having this blink dagger
Can contest these objectives very early very nicely
Stomp in a uneasy early game for Navi, but I
Don't think they're gonna be feeling too rough about the start to this one
It's you know they've been through some tough times in this series so far a game one a game
3 this game for definitely potential it
golems back easy but it they've got the
blink on Mickey they've got to be in the
right I mean PMA it's a lot of pressure
on him but he's got to be in the right
place a lot of times to breathe the
moves because nico can just get caught
very easy
well winning risk coming in just in
time look at the dream call off onto
Mickey we'll still get clipped here by
the dragon tail stun
jump out to the side but the
magnetize is going to bring him
down low, boxy closes in, another attempt to jump away but another stone is at the ready
and the tie is continues, Niku's game continues to slow down even more.
Oxi's really hunting him, this is the Earth Spirit in general, we don't see almost anybody
playing it but just the silence, honestly these little silences, the gap close, problematic
for the puck.
Oh and taking a Roshan away from the Ursa line up, he's going to try for it, they've
got shot at, they go.
You always can deal with Shadow Demon, the menace is building up 37%.
I mean, it's been hit by a scan, but can Navi actually get anyone over here to interrupt this?
Does it look like it?
Yeah, they've found a complete... Maybe they can just go for a kill instead.
Can they try and at least punish Nisha being alone?
I'm not alone for long.
Yeah, Shadow Remnant's still up on the top side of the map, so...
Quickly swings over back into the most of the area, the rest of his teammates.
Roshan gone, Aegis now on Mi'k'e.
Heads up play from Liquid, getting that kill, immediately turning into Roshan.
Yeah, like you said, denying it away from the Ursa is always going to be a big deal.
Dragon form still up for half duration, Navi.
Looking to contest her on Tormentor timing around their ultimates, they've got everything at the ready.
That's a pretty cool flank too.
Yeah, I don't think Liquid will expect the move coming in from this angle.
And last way Niku much on the word
Niku a shown on the word
Okay, they might expect now now. Yeah, they're definitely gonna be prepared for something. They smoke up themselves
They have a pipe on ace a fresh pipe. Oh that that pipe is gonna do a whole lot
Against what Navi have
Dragon form wears off
Make it still looking to go
He is charging in it. Look at the job. He's gonna get the jump start on the sides
We'll see him return soon, he's gonna get laid down with the destruction, comes into play, Golem's dropped down straight on the wall's ace.
See if he can get out of this, he's been glimit off, he's pretty tanky, he's healing up as well, they couldn't kill Aesop.
He's grabbing a bail out of this now, Riddies tries for the TP, he's relicting him with the dragon tail, sets up a box, and he gets the double kill,
boxy gets the kick back onto PMA, as PMA's gonna be left surrounded by Liquid, Liquid take down the three, the four of them.
And off the back of that, they can move to the tall manza.
Take the subjective as well.
Not losing anybody, not even losing the ages there.
I mean, they just confidently walked straight into them,
knowing that they couldn't really do a whole lot
about them or see it again here.
You know, make it ready to just go straight
into the back lines.
Indeed, the power of the Shadow Demon era
that's maybe gone through the draft
two times too many this series, folks.
Perfect save, perfect awareness and perfect work.
It saw it saw all of Navi setting up. It really is a vision right if they don't know that's happening
It could be a completely different story, but they just jump in they have the ages to so make it can't do that
And yeah, you saw the pipe effect to and at the shadow even not only just disruption the purge versus the Ursa
No, furious no nothing right? You're not building up any of these overpower. You can't actually attack faster
You're just hitting very slowly
Another much a star hemorrhaging kills
Riddies caught out around the cliff, another kill for Mikkei, and that's going to push him
very close to having the BK be done on top of the mask of madness, and now Omlet.
It's starting to happen in 9K lead now, 21 minutes in.
Liquid hang their timings.
He's just charging in.
They don't have a blink on Zayac to even go for a reposition play.
He's so poor on this timing of this game.
He's just pretty much got to stay hidden on that cliff.
Nobby, this next teamfight has to come together somehow better.
They have to, some have to get the Shadow Demon, right?
Stop him from being able to go through these safe plays, but...
Someone has to just commit, I guess, into the backline.
It's just, it's not easy to see how they do it with their drafts.
They have to pop click now, so maybe that's it to bypass, but...
Yeah, very complicated.
I mean, it's just, you have Tofu on these heroes,
these sort of backline heroes like the Shadow Demons
and the Warlock.
His positioning seems to be in a pretty top tier
in these engagements, you know?
He just, he rarely feeds on these heroes.
It seems to be so hard to find him in any of these gangs.
He tends to have heroes that are,
he does get Liberty of having heroes
that go in for him a lot though too, right?
Like they usually have some like DK,
Ember of Novo experience, something.
So he does get the, you know, Liberty to sit back
and cast spells a lot of the times for his team.
Yeah, they draw very nicely around it.
That's what they like playing double-states.
Like they play Tusk Shadow Demon for a reason,
besides it's aggressive with defensive potential.
Top and the tier two is going to be taken,
and at the same time as taking the tier two mid,
they're also looking for kills up top.
Riddies will drive in the TP,
but a slight fist into the change from Nisha catches him.
He's going to be ready, he's gone.
Matthew's so small. Two heroes around on their side too, on top of the triangle, Boxie's
keeping over. PMA has BKB. They have Blink on Tiny now.
But Licka's just running at them. Yeah, they're ready to just keep charging in.
They get the jump start on, it was the point. They've caught Niku. They'll get
the chance to live a little longer. Lasso's going to be on his side so they capture
him to the side. He has to use the Dreamclaw to try and hold them back. They'll
Get the toss follow-up, but there's no further damage to the friend Mikkei.
Niku still dies on the tower, and they're ready to roll up towards the base.
Clean Ziad's up, bring this top wave in, and look to take what will be this third tier 2 tower,
still at this early time of 24 minutes in.
Insane.
They box-y's getting too much done on a 4er spirit.
It looks like a mid-er spirit almost.
He's got yours on his way to a BKB, but yeah, he's just committing forward and getting on the pocket.
Navi's sort of puffing me outside of the base, but it's just the three of them.
Gotta be careful.
We'll see.
We're going to be able to get players yet.
Navi will manage to retreat back up to the high ground.
Super-oppressive gameplay.
All three tier twos have been taken.
Both of them, yeah, the Roche plus the Tormenter,
everything for Liquid in these last 10 minutes.
Navi, how did they work things together?
Will they be able to rally around this BKB?
It looks like the Ursa does at least have that done.
I think you've got to try again.
He still can get demonic purged, but let's step toward another right direction if they
can get the back line.
There we go.
They've got to find success with this Nardi.
Otherwise this game is going to fall into a pretty dire position.
They have quite a blink dagger, so better find that back line.
You better have a detection for him too.
They might be able to hold in on Mikke.
Mikke just in time.
They're moving away from this camp.
They might still find the chance.
They get the vision down.
He's backing away. It's a little too hard now for them to get the grab on and Mickey a step ahead
That was insane. Was it back? Paul it
That was insane. How do you know I'm in the game sense? I guess they're all off the map Mickey not taking any chances and
Avoiding what could have been a big hit there from Navier hit. They really need
That was crazy. You didn't finish the crows some awareness. Maybe just the experience you got less XP from the creepers
Oh, no, that was crazy
I'll be trying to find a catch there with that bkb timing not gonna find it have to back up and reset liquid
reposturing regathering
Feels like it's probably about about base defense at this point at least for me for Navi, right?
They've got toss backs. They've got spear plays. They've got some cute stuff. They can do on the high ground
But there's also
Liquid also does have the saves, right? The problems of being able to bail people out in PMA.
So it starts to use KB and run.
Defensive.
Riddies could just, could steps outside and troll in the map.
Nisha's heading up towards the top.
There's no space for that.
He's gonna get his hands on Riddies.
Riddies, he's gonna drop the golem.
But Reddy's will fall and Got the juice, he'll try and jump in, but Redness is still there.
Do you have the tree? Call on Anisha, he's able to just BKB and walk it off.
And now Navi, they've got a run.
Niku's eyes, he got the juice on the retreat box, he closes in, he's got the yule set up, they'll cover the avalanche,
he stops onto Anisha, Got the juice, bring it into damage, can they kill him?
They get the swipe stacked up, they've got it.
They do manage to kill off Anisha, but it's not without the loss of their own carry here.
got the juice still falls, Mikkei cleans up the double, getting the two big kills, both Niku and got the juice gone.
It's just not enough fogged. They're trying. They're trying. Sometimes killing each other. It's kind of the same in one of the other games, right?
They could kill Nisha by each and every time. It cost them so much.
Yeah, Liquid just kind of forcing the issue, right? They're just chasing anybody who shows outside the map, and yes, maybe you can get one return kill,
kill but the rest of liquid all arrives and they just in turn but at what cost as
we used to say you know you do kill Nisha but you end up drastically losing so
much more control but that you said I feel like it was desperate they kind of
have to do these type of moves because they've lost complete control of the
game no way to step outside out of the map to with all the vision coverage
that we see over at liquid 2. Aghanim's pretty much done for Boxie so he can
actually also kick people out of this.
Limited space for Navi.
Oh, boxy.
He's gonna catch Riddies.
He's gonna try for the TP out, the slight change comes in.
Another death outside of the base.
It really is looking like it's absolutely gonna get close to Navi,
just having a hold for high ground.
Stepping out in the base, even for the more elusive heroes,
he's not working out too well.
Mikkei cleaning up Niku pretty much so low.
Liquid, just absolutely dominant in three of the games so far this, there's Grand Finals
and they're ready to push it here with the advanced, he's stepping up to the high ground,
fortification comes out.
How do you stop the push?
Pull them still cool down as well too.
Even if you catch targets and pull them back, even after damage at this point they're
so durable.
And there's the save from Korstuf and Toffu.
She has still 20 seconds till the golem, so now I've got to do anything about the mailer
axe getting taken out by Liquid.
And they can back up reset.
Looked at playing very safe.
Go for the Roche.
Navi, do you want to take the risky play?
Do you want to smoke and go contest it?
I think you might as well just do so.
I think you do, but whether or not you're going to get there in time, that's another question.
Roche is going to go down pretty quickly here to the damage of Mikke.
Navi should maybe make the move quick enough.
Let's see, can P&B get a double spear of truth or something? I don't know.
It's gonna have to be something unbelievable from them.
Lick was being careful as well.
They'll actually wait, rather than full commit for the rose, Shang.
They know as long as they take it easy, take a team fight first, they're gonna be in a better position.
Tofu might get caught at the front, got the juice, he's in with the jump, they're gonna try and get rid of the shadow demon.
Volngtop down, but he's already out to the side, the quicksave there, but he takes Tofu completely out of the fight, and Lick who's dead.
They put the lasso on it, got the juice, he'll try and turn it once Ace, but Ace has to get over the high ground, get over the cliff, turn and get the kill here, triple for Nisha.
My goodness, Boxy just immediately bells Tofu out, and it ends in Navi getting team wiped and Liquid losing nobody.
It's a desperate move, but I cannot believe they can't even kill the Shadow Demon. Hey, Boxy, just that save, yeah?
He cracks him out, kicks him out of there, what a...
Yeah, sometimes the hero doing the saving needs to be saved and boxy balance.
So we'll see it again here.
They go in on towards the shadow demon, got to do desperately killing it, trying to kill him.
And then boxy with the grab and the kick, Tophie's out of there.
Nobody dies here on Liquid.
You heard it from boxy the other day.
You know, he was like, I felt like I was just dying all over the place.
I'm the saving hero and I was just feeding.
This game, he's definitely getting a whole lot done.
Aggressive and defensive posture perfectly played there for Topu.
Another ace.
It's only gonna be a mid-brax cleaned up in his entirety.
The Top Brax is well now gone.
Two full sets here for Liquid of 27k.
Just 31 minutes into this match.
Making very little mistakes too. They're making this one painful.
Niku, bottom three of the entire game.
Now you're just at the cores.
Liquid now out of the safety. They really did get back into the Roshan. Get the sages.
And the massive lines just continue to fly off the liquid. She was guard now done on Nichev.
Mikkei's super close to having a swiftly done this early early timing.
And we'll grab the Aegis here. Mikkei. Liquid is pipe. They just approach things with a
very comfortable kind of style. But then it's also the shotcalling in the game.
It's crazy on top of out of musician, right? Just getting that Rosh fight,
getting them moved to our top to tormentor predicting the place having these words it's just been one or two maybe even more steps ahead of Navi
Now he can they get these tossbacks into the fountain feels like they need that fountain and it's got to be something ridiculous
Well, we did see last game, you know, look would they get a little close to the fountain
Gonna start over they scan the graph get the last one of PMA will see the jump from Nisha right up towards the backline
destroys ready's
I do have buybacks available. They just have to watch and die.
You do a tossback with a teleport attempt?
I don't know, does that even work? I think it has to be done.
I don't know, they tried it, it's game over, but this series is done.
Gigi is called. Liquid take game 4 with that.
Take the series, 3 to 1 here against NAVI.
Taking the championship title here, Blastlam 6, and my goodness,
We might have had one of the games was close, but the other three
Liquid just continuing to show the dominance that we've been able to enjoy from them in their run here
Especially in the player stage in these best of fives
This team, they're really gelling right now coming together in a way that they weren't kind of a month or so ago
This was a team that was losing qualifiers. There's some events coming up
They didn't even qualify for but here at Blast lamb six
So the work has paid off and the wins they're getting are phenomenal
The whole team is leveled up, you know, I know a lot of people are always just going to be like it's the Nisha show, right?
Things like that because Nisha has had a pretty explosive tournament here, but I have to credit everybody
I think Tofu had some pretty standout games when he played not even some of the heroes that are as expected
You know, he had a wider game, which the Nope's playing played super good on it
I do have to give Liquid a lot of credit on the brood game, but huge shout out. Yeah, exactly
Yeah, but I do have to give tons of credit to Navi, you know
They made it to this grand finals in a pretty hard tournament, especially with all the teams that were here
They're still, I mean I want to call them young squad in terms of because of their ages of course, but a super fun team to watch
When they have their explosive games, they are very very good at their team fighting control
But they're pretty unpredictable, which I think is one of the more interesting things
Absolutely, I mean you can see even with the tough results some smiles do there for Navi
They'll be back in the future. We'll see what they can bring, but for now ladies and gentlemen give it up for team
Liquid the champions of Blast slam 6
I'm not sure.
Goodness, congratulations. Congratulations.
Micky, you must be absolutely delighted.
That looked like a really cracking series.
Was it fun to play?
Absolutely, my most fun series in a while.
Really?
Okay, and what about your team? How do you think they performed?
They did great, I guess.
Okay, we did okay.
Yeah, I don't know.
Fair enough.
Foxy, come over here and let me talk to you.
You must be glad at least you didn't have to play Tusk again in the final there.
That must have been a relief.
Yeah, my coach trusts me now to pick my own hero.
So that's nice.
But he was like, shouldn't we pick Tusk?
like I don't know so yeah I got lucky. Fair enough you guys had a cracking run in
this tournament were you doubtful at any point or did you really think this was
your tournament to win? I mean I was doubtful we were gonna make it here at
all I think the group stage started pretty rough and I'm not the best or
like we're not the best tradition at best of once so this is the first time
we didn't get like lasting groups at last I think but once we made it to
Playoffs, it was pretty good. That was the doubt, I guess, the groups.
The groups? Well, thank you, Boxy.
I'm going to bring Tofu over here if I can talk to you, Tofu.
Can I have a quick chat? Give it up for Tofu.
Obviously, one of the relative newcomers to Team Liquid,
you must be happy with the first-line win under your belt.
Very much, I was hoping for a better start this season
with some very mixed results.
I think great progress overall, but a lot of setbacks.
and I'm just really happy and relieved that we trusted the process,
everyone believes in each other and that we're actually getting rewarded for it now.
Well, he certainly did. Well played to you. I'm going to bring William.
William, come over here. The mastermind.
Maybe. You must be very proud of the team. How do you think they played?
I think they played really well. I feel like they put a lot of effort in for this event.
special shout out to like our staff too.
Chloe for bringing me and Jeff together,
making sure that we were having the right conversations.
Jabs for doing like the best thing ever
and forcing our team to actually play pubs.
I think without that, we probably couldn't,
I mean, it's a meme, but like he was actually like the MVP
for me in this tournament.
And so shout out to both of them
and my mom watching at home.
She was really happy to get me on.
So shout out to Mrs. Flax.
She's watching at home as well.
It felt like a bit of a coach off where you and CY
sort of go and head to head.
Was it good to sort of lock brains with him?
Yeah, I mean, I think like the score is now like seven to two.
So he can take this elf like it's fine.
You know, so he'll bounce back.
I think he's a really talented coach.
I feel like he's one of the people to see
and I really respect just because of how he carries himself.
You know, there's no sauciness, we shake hands.
We're like, we'll do it again soon.
They're super talented.
I'm sure this won't be the last time
we see them in the finals.
Absolutely, well said, Will.
Ace, can I get a quick chat with you as well?
Must be very proud to win a LAN here in Denmark as well.
We're not in Denmark, we're in Malta, I'm going to absolutely mad.
Danish production, everyone's speaking Danish backstage, my bad.
How does it feel for you to be on Team Liquid and already have a LAN win?
Like the same question I asked Tofu.
Yeah, it was amazing, like these are like the...
Our ag nemesis always for a long time, so I always respected them a lot.
So yeah, now we joined together, so that's really cool.
And the performance overall, were you happy with how the team sort of grew
throughout the the tournament it felt like you guys really peaked in the final.
Yeah I think like we put a lot of work into it like this past few weeks and
like it really shows like no it's like yeah we're just getting better and better.
Fantastic I'm gonna have a word with Nisha as well now if I may.
Nisha you've managed to avoid me all week so congratulations. I think most
people had you down as their player of the tournament I certainly would. How
How does it feel to really turn up and deliver on the big stage yet again?
It feels amazing.
Since I kind of sucked for like five years, so the tournament was decent.
Five years?
I think that's a bit much.
It must be good though to get a win in 2026 already under your belt.
How are you guys going to keep the momentum going forward for the rest of the year?
I think we're playing like two days, so whatever we're doing here, we'll try
to keep up and see how it goes from there.
Well we're all going to be watching a routine for you guys as well.
Once again congratulations to Team Liquid, your BlastFlam 6 Multi Champions!
and special moment for everyone on stage when it comes to liquid, of course now the supporting
staff, Chloe Javs, Blitz mentioned them and his little speech there as well. How much
Everyone behind the scenes really does for them and I want to call Nisha out
I think this man's exaggerating a little bit a drought wasn't playing his best for one TI within that five years
He's talking about now they come on they win and blossom six
I feel like this is pretty good if you feel like you're not even at your peak just yet
I respect that though you don't you don't puff yourself up too much
You don't get too big of an ego, but you still own kids and you keep improving figuratively and literally I suppose in this case
Not the actual children and he put him in their place.
Nisha showing he is one of the best mids of all time,
arguably the best mid of all time for a good reason.
And I'm a mad cooist all of them, they played awesome.
As always for Liquid, it's just going to prove
how their systems enable them, right?
Like they form the roster after TI,
making some really big changes.
They don't get the results.
There's a bit of a trophy drought as well,
for Totem and Ace and then, you know,
they find the problems, they fix them,
they keep doing it, keep iterating, keep evolving.
And this slam was true proof
that it truly connected right because from that group stage to their first day of playoffs to now
actually every single time we saw them it was a different liquid improving and evolving and
again this is what we expected to see them soon after TI so now for it to connect at the start
of the year TI down the road like this is when you wanted to start working out. I feel like you
could even go a little bit further back than that because you know they had all those qualifiers
that they had to play and it's just so insane to think that they lost one of those ones
and they come into it they're feeling a bit shaky during the groups and then there they are
on stage holding the Blast Lamp trophy.
No, I mean, they're obviously like putting in all the right work.
And if this is Nisha saying this is his like decent level,
like I don't want to see him anything above that
because no one's going to have a chance.
But I want to talk about the others too.
I think everyone immensely stepped up their play.
I think again, like tofu just swapped roles earlier this season.
Two plus five is a completely different thing.
Ace having to lane with someone different.
I think Boxy in like every game and every tournament, he's more free.
He finds more moves, more different types of heroes.
And I think Micae as well.
this tournament especially or even like just the playoffs he owned like
different heroes different play styles great performances good movement very
active like this team they've got the sauce right now I mean across the board
their drafts they feel like they're coming alive each time right like they
showcase the strengths of the logo off lane they're playing the rubik in the
support role they had a little bit of moran in the group stage like they're
picking heroes the other teams are trying not really succeeding with and
they're showcasing what their strengths are they even played what was the
Lycan Beastmaster and H.S. Prophet draft that we haven't seen from like 2019.
They bring these three heroes, the Zoo to Blast Slam, so yeah, they're doing these things,
they're feeling comfortable and yeah, I'm scared to see what they can do.
They can carry this momentum through into the other tournaments we have in this month.
I mean, this is also a roster that was first formed. Everyone was like, holy crap, this
roster looks amazing, they look so scary, holy crap. And then over time, I think they've
gotten more and more haters, more and more doubters, and it's cut to a point where
people are like, ah, this Liquid roster is actually a mistake, they bungled it,
They didn't think about the structure of the team properly, but they're proving the haters wrong and saying no
We knew we were doing which need a little time to cook actually put things in their place
Now they've been cooking they've shown that they are top two team and I look forward to see if they can keep that going
And I'm also really happy for any some tofu whether they were finally able to win a tournament again
It was a long time
We had a drought there like they'll said and they were finally able to pick it up again
It feels good to see players I know are so incredibly talented and hard-working get the results they deserve
Yeah, it doesn't feel a little extra nice being on the desk and seeing some ex-teammates win a trophy, win a land like this.
Yeah, it's very sweet. It's very cool.
You're up to cry?
No, I'm chilling, but I think they should be chilling as well as they played really well and I'm happy they found success again.
Also, I would say the appreciation, they talked to the staff around them, making sure that everything is nice for you, that everything is chill.
You never have to like worry about anything but like playing the game
You know, what is your support staff or coach or you know player management here or anyone
It's just I think very important to like understand that you are doing your job other people doing their job to make your game easier
I think that's also how you want to feel in the game that like your teammates they have your back
You know what you want to do
So I'm just really happy to see that because I think the ego of them
I don't really see it and I think that's also what like you want the right level
You know you want to feel good and confident
But you also need to understand that you need to keep pushing because like Nisha said in two days
They're gonna play the next tournament. I think it's less than two days. I think it's like 12 hours
Yeah, there you go
Maybe there's a sense of time the good thing is they at least they won the important one right they looked important Sam trophy
You know the groaning format in the best of five, so that's the true test of a team
You know so by the way, I'm pretty sure this trophy is like doubled in size since the last one it looks humongous
I'm like Javz is a large man
It's actually like full metal by the way. This is like some like double digit killer ground trophy
So that's how you know Jack's these liquid players are just not even showing will bring it down to the desk
I want to hold it
We might have to help you
No, you're right
It is nice to hear about everything that went in and the node to the meme as well
But the liquid way is you know that the tourists are not really playing pubs and jobs had to really crack the whip
He put in the hard work to be like guys come on
Just a couple more like sometimes like there's just it doesn't matter how good you are who you are you will always have haters like I
Think even players like gh is gonna have haters out there, but what are you with sorry trust me
There is someone out there that somehow hates the angel. I hate those haters, but it's so do I
It's just good to have those people around it like remind you yo, bro
You're you know, we need it to be like ranked 20 we need to be ranked 10 like step it up
Do it then you also heard Nisha and I think William said you know at some point Nisha was like guys
It's my fault. I'm not playing well enough. He puts in some of the work
You have jazz behind him like firing him up and suddenly you know you turn it all around boom
Pull him in win. Yeah, Nisha is Nisha is a terrifying player whenever he's not playing any pubs
I think I played against this guy about a million time in mid-match ups over the past few years
And so and he wasn't playing a single pub during that period. So that is not so scary
So if you get to watch him like in Nisha playing pub state that is a that's a moka moka
And I'm glad I'm not leaning into now
And don't forget guys, Nisha, you say playing pubs, he's also playing unranked.
I've had the joy of running into him in the unranked games.
Like, why?
He's also, he's playing with the support staff of Liquid, he's rather than playing like...
Oh, shut up, shut up.
Let's get a rune.
Oh, that was tasty trophy, huh?
I don't get it, not trophy.
It's not coming down.
No, no, no.
I was there with yesterday.
We don't want it anymore.
No, no, no.
Okay, well, either way.
Muck's ruined.
Yeah.
Kind of took the, the, the, the, the, the, the wind out myself.
It really did.
We can focus up a little bit more just about how much you guys enjoyed the whole format.
The best of five, the grand finals of Blast Land, because it really delivered.
It wasn't just walk-in and Navi and experienced roster and team sort of rolling over in 0-3.
They put the fact to lick, but this wasn't just a, oh, we get to lift the trophy.
Yeah, 100%.
And I think I'm really impressed and I'm hopeful for Navi in the future.
I think while they'll be a little bit sad that they lost, I think they shouldn't
be to beat up about this because their young team seconds the best placement ever. I think it's all
linked up from here. And the best of fives are a great format to show that and display how good
this team is and how much potential they have. I mean we cannot forget what this roster has done
for Navi right to bring them from a team that was like kind of a laughing stock in the qualifiers
to never really make it to land to then consistently make it to land get a couple top
sixes now to get to a grand final. So I feel like there's nothing but praise for the Navi
roster and sure a second place it can hurt you not getting the trophy being so close but if you learn
from it then again it's going to be inevitable at some point with Niku with the gang they are going
to be lifting a trophy at some point for this legacy team. Yeah I think that this former gave us
like a lot of damn good series and I think looking at Navi you know I will say they're very young
and these grand finals they teach you a lot like some of these losses where you feel like you
did something wrong in the gameplay or there was like a crucial moment in the mid game or
or even just a drafting mistake, you know,
where sometimes maybe you trust like you were got too much
or you should like, you know, go more with like
what someone else is saying.
Like working in the mixtures, I think is very important.
So losing this is, it's not even that bad.
You got second place at an incredibly,
like at an incredibly high skill tournament.
Yeah, and that's the thing that you're saying
to learn these lessons when you're so young
and to have someone like CY behind you, that coach,
it feels like there is only so much more momentum
and potential for this team.
And while there is a win,
we do also want to catch up with coach CY about this grand finals. Yeah hi I'm
here with a CY coach of NAVI CY first of all commiserations on coming second
there but you guys had to qualify to get to this tournament and then you made it
to the final with such a young team you must be proud of them. I mean I'm
extremely proud from my perspective it's like already a win you know I've
been in many finals some a lot won and a lot lost I know it feels really bad
because once you make it to a final you kind of always believe that you
you can win, like you should believe it anyways.
So of course it's sad, we all sad right now,
but I'm super proud of them.
I think they improved so much in the five months
I've been in the team, I saw a lot of potential
and I think there's even more to come from them.
I think absolutely, I mean, there's such a young team,
the potential is all you can see really
with the team this young.
In terms of this series, this felt kind of like
the Batrider show in some ways.
What is it about this hero that means
he's so contested, especially in the late stage
of tournaments like this?
So, first of all, we gave it in Game 4, and I think it didn't have the most impact maybe in that game,
so we felt we can maybe play against it again, and we didn't have priority, so we didn't have much choice.
We tried to switch things up a bit, I don't like our draft in Game 5, that's my bad.
I think the hero itself is insanely strong laner, it farms very fast, even if you cannot lane that well,
it can like drag waves around, like farm the camps too, it scales incredibly well, it buys like good items right now,
so overall it's just a really strong hero there.
Fantastic. Obviously, this is a learning experience for these young players.
What do you think they've learned, not just about the tournament overall,
but about maybe closing out a tournament, closing out a series?
What do you think they're going to take away from this?
I think one big focus I had for them in this LAN in particular is that
against Jandex it was very close, we were down 2-1 as well,
and we pulled it back in some incredibly close games.
And what I've focused a lot on is having very calm communication, not getting ahead of yourself,
not thinking too much about a lot of chaotic things or how you're feeling.
You're more like trying to keep your mind on Dota itself, the specifics in the game.
What are you playing? What can you do at all time?
Because Dota is a complex game. If you keep your mind occupied with what is about to happen all the time in the game
and what you want to do, then you can distract yourself from thinking about the fact that you're in a finals
or you're playing an important game or something like that.
And I try to always direct that focus to my players as much as I can.
And I think they actually did that quite well.
I'm quite proud of the Yandex series because they did that and pulled it back.
That's incredible.
Absolutely they did.
A lot of NAVI fans were here watching, a lot of rooting for you guys.
Do you have any words as a team that you'd like to express to the NAVI fans,
rooting for you guys back home?
Yeah, for sure. Thank you so much, guys.
I didn't honestly expect maybe many fans here,
but you went all the way out here to Malta,
and it's incredible. I'm super happy. So thank you.
It's so sweet everything about shouting out the fans of course I feel like they've gotten even more fans now off this grand final
despite not getting the win. We can hear the derby chat in the video.
And then of course just hearing CYC just how proud he is of all these young players.
I think he has very much taken a mentorship role. I think not only just as a normal like a Dota coach which I think a lot of people are
are, but I think also he's like he's he's a lot older than these players. They're very very young
and see why he's been around like the Dota scene. He's had real jobs and so I think he can also
teach them a lot about just like you know caring yourself and how to handle losses, how to deal
with a lot of these things. And so I think it's very cool not only to see them as like a coach
in the team but also as I think mentors some of these people just as people. I mean just
having maturity around any roster and being able to kind of facilitate that is really important.
So I think the way that he carried himself there if he can actually impart that knowledge
and they start utilizing it then it feels like like we've been saying it is kind of the steps towards success
Yeah, I don't know. I'd really like watching him or like hearing him talk
I think he's like very confident he takes ownership of what he thinks is like right or wrong and like you guys are saying
He's kind of like the father figure
I think to like this team of like young players and young kids
I honestly I have very high hopes like not just for him
But also to the five individuals if they can just stay together and keep working on it. They're a great team
Yeah, well, we've crowned of lost six slam
Champion I do want to give you guys your final brief moments about this tournament everything that's unraveled in the last two weeks
You only get a brief moment though each brief moment
Yeah, thanks everyone. I had a ton of fun. I think it's a well-deserved victory for liquid and
Yeah, cool format on orthodox and also has been really nice. Thank you. Yeah, I think
I think was being here. I think that production is nice. Obviously you guys
XQCL on the chat. It's nice to be here, I think it's nice to work, like you know where there's also like people and not just, you know, online, it makes it feel like more real, you also see the players, I think the format, like it brought more emotion, I think out of like not just us, but you know the viewers as well and out of the players, so yeah, 10 out of 10.
Yeah, I mean, thank you for everyone coming out to the studio event, having actually fans in the audience made it so much better, hearing the passion of the NAVI fans, even though they couldn't do it liquid as well, so again the fans make it possible and on top of that,
I mean, maybe we get bestifies again in the future. No idea
You obviously are listening your production, but
Bestifies a lot and you know you can see how much it means to the players and the fans and also you saw it on Reddit
But anyways, I love bestifies. I love this former. I love everything about it. So thank you very much and that back to you
Boom. He's really pleading his case, but it's so true. Everyone's what enjoyed at the format
It's been amazing having an audience here
Online special shout-out to production who put in so many countless hours as funs as well
I'll see you guys back in Copenhagen for boss slam 7
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