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And whisper he feels pretty unkillable at this point that they can perfectly change stuff before reactive
Away from having that you'll still another catch FY
Push black off
Where step from it is a scar buddy
Bombs will be taken out from the creeps. Let's go out to these posturing though
Just protecting this ward as much as possible
They know if anybody steps up and could just die as a blink of the tiny.
And yeah, I was highlighting this blink of the tiny. I really like, I love this purchase this game.
They perfect his timing.
That LGD wants to try and run them over with.
It's like a quad, it's very, I mean not very, but pretty fragile quad hero on the side of XG.
It's really just the axe who can play that frontline. So if you can bypass him,
you will just delete these heroes on this tiny.
Yeah, I think he's really looking hot this tournament so far here.
Really good aggressive plays, even if they do have a bit of a deficit in the laning phase.
Very confident in when they pick and choose their battles.
Strip from the map, another tier 2 is going to fall.
They just can't defend these towers right now.
Preflav is taking a moment here, and he'll get here soon though.
I'm trying to get some actual kill there seems so hard when LGD is pushing up as 5.
Look at that.
He won't even get the Aegis, they do get the Aegis out of him.
He puts the BKB just to toss back on the X-XS.
Chain Flush is going to get thrown out.
The Grip, locking down X-XS.
Your foot makes it over to put a stop to the Fiend's Grip.
The other core will get taken down.
Thailand moving it over was nothing to say the call comes out for me
I guess I thought it was two of them and it's a huge one
I love to get the dunk off but can they get away from Yuma back in with the air launch the bear
Just get the clean up Yuma game even up by Armey's bear triple kill for Armey
They do manage to pull together the hold
Exactly when it was most needed
Whisper the last one left alive on LGD and Armey
the team. They actually do
managed to pull the hold
together. It seemed like it
wasn't going to happen. The
army turns up gets sort of the
dream fight as long as they're
going target to target with the
bear. And we're seeing, you know,
XXS getting some huge calls in
that situation sets up for them
to be able to take the ages out
of Thailand and come in and back
in again to ensure that they
Right the BKB started to whittle down from Yuma and then the bear shows up that agonims loan druid
I couldn't actually so fight recap wasn't showing my damage at least I wish on the loan druid for me
I was only seeing the axes damage of tortures. I can actually see how much he did
I saw much sniper did though nothing to say buying the BKB right before the fight comes in clutch too
He would have died instantly if he didn't have that because whisper got on top of him
So good distancing coming up from nothing to say and the long fight dragging out
LGD does get the benefit from it and now the bear it is alive
There it is. There it is. It's time to see how I get to do the...
the learned- learned- learned stuff going for the butterfly.
He didn't have shard yet.
Okay, so he wants the butterfly first, but that doesn't mean he's forgoing his shard,
which is one of the really big things about this hero, so maybe he'll buy it afterwards.
I did see he had it queued up.
Nice, G. Now, I think you've heard this tier two as well, G. What are you looking for next?
Or are you not? Is that the thing? Are they just going to return to farming and say,
well, we've shown that we can actually hold these defenses, come in and take these teamfights around our tier 2s?
You can look for fight. I think you can absolutely look for fights and catch them before BKBs come out now.
Your damage has increased massively in these last few moments as well.
Success?
Okay, jungles.
This was coming across, but no fight to be had for LGD, just let the main guy.
The thing for this Huskar, right, it still is this Teeter's on this edge where you have to be quite careful before your next timing.
So I would say ideal for him, if he can slow the pace down, get the BKB while for XD, if they kill him once more,
could open up them even contesting that next rush.
See what the approach is going to be at the moment here.
The bear, as we said, the butterfly is very close to being finished.
And the Yule's now, FY does have it finished, so they have to answer to the reactive.
So I think, yeah, for LGD, they want to get the triple BKB cores online probably before the next fight for XG, but, look, catch them before it.
If the triple BKBs come out, the fight does get quite a bit more complicated for XG, because then the long fight also is better for LGD as well.
But if they can kite the BKBs, I think that's the biggest thing we can see for XG.
And XXS also does have a BKB to match.
So, Kansas hard locked down a target and full focused them if they can't get the catch up to them.
Time zone's BKB done.
Okay.
They whisper pretty much having his ready to go in just a few hundred gold.
They'll have that timing to play with and what would you say is sort of bare minimum in these fights they have to achieve during those BKBs?
BKB is what you've got at least have to snipe the dead or the loan for it or do you kind of need both dead?
At least one of the cores I would say
But the bear is going to be something that's difficult to deal with we'll see how they do address just the agonist bear
That's running it. They have to kite it kill it once within a lifebreak. Hopefully we'll see
Call on a humor and the bush back in the sharp shoot is holding on to pressing the BKB for now
We'll be able to walk away still very tanky of course with this high HP on the tiny
These fights are not easy to determine who's gonna even with the triple BKBs
because actually at this point have a much stronger fight around them with
their double BKB and plus the barrage never being there right yeah I mean
they've got a really good amount of poke yeah so they're backing in out here on
the Axel and Druid and then the two supports and each of them individually
with their combos they can kind of force a BKB out of the core if the
litteral group gets a good setup oh absolutely they do get that backline as
As long as they don't get gone on first, I think that's the big thing for XG, is that
they can be the ones that make the first move, it's gonna look infinitely better for them.
Pays the game slowing down.
And for me, for XG, it's like, if the pace does slow down, they still feel quite good,
right?
They have a sniper lung, that's progressing this game versus a tiny house guard.
So I still would say LGD on a bit of a timer here, and see how much they feel so with that.
I think so, yeah, because they were really bringing things back together when they were getting the pressure down the mid looking for that tier two
But that sort of hold that XG came in with the round the tier two
Has absolutely slowed things back down and sure they still have that gold lead, but I'm pretty sure as you say LGD
They would much rather be
quite a little bit further ahead at this point 30 minutes because of just yeah the nature of the three cores of extreme game
They're an incredibly strong spot and the army top-net worth you know we've seen it many times before how out of control
This loan drew can get an army. He's ticking all the boxes
I yeah, I think the next move for LGD is just be careful of the fight coming to you and you wait for the Roche on right?
You want to get this next road you get this ages advantage and then play around that versus the bear great Michael xxs
He is being super annoying sending the skeletons. He's blown up every ball
So if the other court is trying to secure this area for that potential Roche
And yeah, they're just bombs that are just being completely taken up from every look skeleton here. They come again
Very annoying
I'm gonna try here around the mid
Get the catcher with the avalanche. You'll get the BKB off, but indeed the burst comes through first LGD
Massive catch there big it nothing to say caught by surprise
I mean pretty much the perfect one to jump right because you catch him before the BKB this night
the wooden noodle he died and it's around double catapults as well too so they're
gonna get at least some pressure on the high ground here I mean nothing to say
has to be way more careful with this positioning here LGD that's exactly what
they wanted to really come in I think they work at this raps I don't know
about your sniper the best possible hero for them to catch to get to this
high ground here before that second rush on to they can back up are gone
creeps are gone so you'll have to pack up
so they're actually going to be okay
which I did
I think that's salvaging
so I did wonder, would that have been a situation to use the glyph aggressively
because they didn't want to for that first
I don't know if you have to be very specific with how you use the timing of it
because you have to tank the creep pits right
with all the 3-4 heroes to use the split
but anyway hard to say
good creep cutting either way, xxs
Bale's the matter of a dangerous scenario there.
Overall, the sniper, nothing to say has to be quite a bit more careful with his positioning.
We see the blink dagger for Yuma.
He can one-shot him.
Yeah, Yuma will, anytime he sees that sniper shot, he will absolutely try for the blink
cover launch and see if he can catch him before BKB comes out.
Such an interesting pivot too.
We have to, like, out for Yuma.
The blink is a bit of a pivot, but it's my kind of standard, but the MKB Eugene item,
even if your first true strike, you don't see on tiny tools.
You're done.
You're really done.
Oh, they move the bear is the bat. He will
Success
Looking at the chance to go for coal, but it's hot into these mines set up on the high ground
Hex for whiskey. Oh my god, same the farm
Roshan's dropping they can't get to the area here the bombs are covering the entire area here
Sharp shooter will not connect.
Sharp shooter not being a threat anymore, darling.
I'm safe.
He's going back into the pit.
XG is getting pincered.
Oh, you're not?
Nothing to say in a bit of a scary spot.
I think the club found him.
I mean, nothing's said going to be kept.
He's getting off.
The hex is there.
He's dead again.
I don't think he's even got hexes there.
I absolutely not. I think otherwise he would have been spamming that BKB as it comes down from the ULT.
He is dead for over a minute and I mean a bit of an orc cause he wants to get caught and I guess felt that that area
Would be safe knowing that they were all around the Roshan, but they swing across they catch him.
That's two times they found the best possible catch they can finding the sliver outside of the base and now you've been hunting the bear again.
Look at Yuma.
He finds it.
BKB CP at least.
No BKB for the high ground push though. They have Aegis. This is gonna be go time from the side of LGD.
XG not finding much around the map at all. It's pretty wild to say right because it doesn't feel like they're
I mean of course they're behind but it feels like they can't get some type of lose.
Just getting picked off all over LGD out playing them out maneuvering them as well.
I mean they just can't they can't afford to lose nothing to say at the start of these players.
No.
They need the sniper.
And so far, you know, we were mentioning is this hydro breath gonna work? It's looking pretty underwhelming. I gotta be honest with you here
We'll see how if I will see on the high ground how much you can do but right now
It's nothing hold on
But I don't know what would have saved it right nothing would have saved in these scenarios
It's more just his positioning that has been the problem, so I'm not gonna just blame the item build
the bottom lane final tier two tower ready to be taken and whisper I mean these
underage we talked about this a dreamly code of it even though he's laying it had
nothing it just that he's a top net worth and he feels unkillable this hero is a
a problem in so many games.
The basher into satanic next star, mate.
On the other side of things, Yuma
very close to his own satanic.
He just needs about 90 more gold for the reaver.
Alright, because his attack speed is not the best by any means on this tiny.
But if you get one of those hits off,
off. You know, I guess, you know, get two of them to half in like it's still going to
be pretty much like a full heal. Right. It is quite interesting.
Repair that. See, I think that's coming to put a stop to the grip.
Just the call on King jungles keeps the bear safe.
Try to pull it in.
GD two minutes and a half left here with the ages of Ty Lung.
How much can they force here? Does that Viaginim's also finished up? Almost has this Sanji Yasha.
But maybe not feeling like they're in a rush. Maybe they just feel like they're outscaling as
well because they are getting this triple core and this Techies who's getting farmed when it
does just feel like it's Ame at this point now getting too much farm. Nothing to say has been
caught now twice. Slowed down this farm massively. And we have seen LGD even with the lineup from
yesterday right they they are good at just playing with these mid game lineups even after game
progressives right that's in trouble they'll be able to keep going oh it won't actually
they've got the yours they can pull off their xxs he's never grabbed my fuma out whisper but they
just don't shanky these two and now xxs he's in trouble caught by the taunt of thailong him
And the Lich dead! FY also, blown up in the trees!
Nothing to say.
They've gone in with the call, the sort of the taunt of Thailand. I mean...
The moment the damage looks like it's just not there, unless they have a moment with the bear.
They just can't kill these heroes, even if they get like these, these calls they're catching, the two cores.
It doesn't matter, they just have so much HP to work for.
I had issues, I had concerns about damage.
I thought perhaps with the Hydra, but they could bypass, and perhaps with the Omni, but no, the concern of damage is absolutely there.
It's like 5,000 HP tiny, 4,000 HP on December saw, 4,500 on the- yeah, they can't touch these scores.
Yeah, they're just gonna mega creep now.
Four heroes dead.
And the bear-
I don't stop this push.
The bear can't play Dota either.
Multiple times, Ame, he just has to use the DKB to TP out.
It just gets evaporated from the Hoss car on the tiny.
LGD.
This- in this tournament, they're just looking super hot.
Oh man.
Love the way that they're playing as a rest of here, and-
I love the way that they're responding to early game, even though they might lose lanes, I think the other core came in clutch with his rotations.
Zoom up.
Guess they jump on FY, FYL, hip.
That's the base, you must take it quite a bit here from the bear.
The roof comes in, and the boss into the side, chain frost bounces around between the both, and then the sound of the grip onto the bear, XXS him with a call.
Catching shield, but his defensive nightmare comes out, allows him to get off another Avalon, Talon will die, but he's ready for round two with the Aegis.
They're killing off XXL, buying back immediately.
I love him.
He's just jumping into the full team.
He's not scared of any of them.
Looking for nothing to say.
Nothing to say.
They have to be KB and back off to the fountain.
That was GD.
Cleaning up the mega creeps.
Him vs. Five, and they couldn't kill him.
He jumped in vs. Five heroes, and he's able to stand his round.
They are way too tanky at this point.
Yuma, giving the tip over to Ty Lung.
The first pick, Oscar, only died twice in this game.
And it's such a power move right when you just remind all the teams in the tournament that hey, we can first pick Huskar and we can absolutely crush you even in the late stages of the game.
Like when they were able to make our Huskar pick work like this, it's really got to get into the heads of teams that draft against you.
And I think this is, before this game I actually checked it was 8-1 on Huskar.
So this hero probably still just needs to get prioritized banned in most situations even if spirit or even if I actually got the loan druid
It feels like it is just the such a hard counter for it
And I'll make just doesn't want to show up with the bear a lot of times. So no, yeah, GD tip the bear out of time
It seems like in most of these moves now now done 33k
I'm actually they definitely made them work for it in the earlier parts of the game
They had in the early part around the tier 2
but now the LGD have really got the ball rolling, taken the mega creeps. It really just as a testament to how well LGD has been playing this tournament.
But even if things aren't off to a super smooth start because of the challenging opponent, once they find the way to get ahead, they know how to blow the game completely wide open.
They just look really good honestly actually they look a bit rough around the edges as we've seen in quite a bit of these games
LGD just is definitely a team to watch
Ready to go for the finishing blow hit by the lips of it
Amé the bear
Does have satanic so has a way to survive at least once versus the jump
FY very dead nobody back on him they get the grip of well on the way to success
We'll see if he's getting hit from the badge.
Try to take out Yuma, but Yuma pretty much is standing his ground,
bashing back against the band.
The talk comes out from Tiling as he's in with the life break.
It's over.
Gigi's called.
LGD will take the game as they succeed here with that first pick Huskar.
15,000 health on the three cores.
Damage quickly running out for XG, even though they did have that one successful fight
around the bear that got a triple or ultra kill almost.
Really quickly afterwards, it felt like no hope for XG.
He just cannot touch these tanky cores.
And the supports really enabling them beautifully, right?
KJ baiting a couple of plays there as the bin,
getting triple kills around this blinked timing.
Theo re-establishing the lane dominance.
This was a really cool game from LGD,
and a really well-executed one, in particular.
Yeah, absolutely.
And just kind of showing the draft for LGD.
It's like, they're telling teams,
you might need to ban the Husker,
and they're showing teams that they don't need
to ban the Lone Druid, because they'll beat it.
LGD take the game
Then now six and three with a victory like that under that belt
I do wonder what are people gonna catch on that you can't let Koska through for them
And you can't like KJ have the bane either here quick. They he played a mean Huskar
Yeah, should we go back through the checklist? Yeah, we can count them off
So what was the first one how many was the first one?
Okay, he lain very admirably for the first few waves and then he went jungle so check check one
Okay, second check was was it I don't know. Okay. I didn't know was good
Okay, I think a lot of house cars they buy this blink and they hop in like a maniac
Oh, I need to kill him and then they feed and it's not the game. He didn't do that
He didn't even buy a blink tag so check you've already answered check one three because it don't feed relentlessly
That way ended four and two and you said two was the acceptable number of deaths where we didn't have to question
There it is check check check that means he can he can stay at second place
He's not removed from the list. So congratulations. Tylong. You're an honorary house carp player
as as coined by Quinn himself there but yeah it was nice to get to see it because you do wonder
you sometimes you have to fraud check it as we call is this player actually comfortable on that
hero do we have to start looking at it and I think after this display yeah you really kind of do
yeah I think LGD in general is just very comfortable with their entire concept right
because even though there was a little bit of pressure from xg from the lanes and how they
moved early like army tp to mid lane they were like you know what let's sit back we'll do our job
get our items and then we'll just completely break them. You had Yuma going for the blink on the
Tiny, Timber also went for a blink on the Timber Sword at some point, they were just double jumping
Sniper and they just forced XG to feel like the game hit a stalemate very quickly for them.
It was like 26 minutes 27, it was like the 14th kill of XG and then it was like no more kills
after that. Okay they got one kill at the very end of the game. There's a good 14 minutes of the
game they got nothing just because LGD just stopped XG playing the game. Yeah I think I really
I also like the first Pekoskar against this team specifically because I think they kind of called NTS's bluff that he's not really much of a sniper player.
And I think that showed in the game. I disagree with this item build quite a bit.
He didn't buy Silver Edge for the entire game. I think his build should be Dragonline Silver Edge. You get it as fast as possible against Pekoskar.
I think stuff like that matters a lot on this hero because you don't get that much gold. So every wrong item decision really, really matters.
And I also think he could have played the lane better. And I think doing that and reading teams and saying like, we don't think you're that good at this hero.
So we can pick Oscar against maybe if you're playing it's a team like Falcons
Maybe you can't because they'll play sniper mountain will play it a little bit better and you'll get more punished
They understand the Oscar a little bit better. Actually, it's also not a Oscar team
So they don't really know how to respond to it as well as team that would be plays Oscar
Do it yeah, we saw tiny popping up there a little bit
So, you know, we talked about Tylong on Oscar. We talked about KJ and the bane
This is just performance after performance. It doesn't feel like there's anything new necessarily, but it did look fantastic
And then the last pick overall was that tiny for the side of humor
Again, it was incredible itemization for me.
Like, if he went for Silver Edge in the slower game,
I could see major problems.
Like, the Hydra's Breath of the Sniper wouldn't go punished.
You'd suddenly see the Silver Edge and all these items.
But going for that Blink Dagger on the Tine, as you see here,
looking for the Lone Druid.
And there's to be multiple more clips,
potentially in this package, where it's like,
he finds a sniper, or he finds an axe.
And guess what? Here's a sniper kill.
This sniper kill would then allow them to pressure the high ground.
It's just like, if he doesn't go Blink Dagger,
I think our analysis of this game could be very, very different.
Wow, XG in the late game, isn't that?
But one item choice on your carry
gives so much life to the game plan of LGD.
And it of course helps that you have a mid-Husker,
a Timber, so a hero that you kind of want to like,
bring together.
So I think this is just LGD respecting
what the heroes are meant to do as five together
rather than like, individual players
just playing their own game.
Yeah, because you look at the rest of the lineup
and you don't really see that initiation
either from the Timber or the supports,
which is, you know, where it potentially could come from
that Tiny would want to go Silverage instead, so yeah, great, great, great, uh, what's the
one I'm trying to see?
Adaptation.
Adaptation.
Good work, Quinn.
Thank you, thank you.
That's the thing with LGD, like this type of game, sometimes against some of the more
polished teams, they would eventually unravel themselves, it was like you must go for a
blink and oh wow, they don't have the damage anymore, but this time they showed a much
cleaner game, so it's like, okay, cool, this time it's very good, it worked, you didn't
that you're going to be
going to be in the middle of
the game. I can't show any
kind of those like weird little
blunders that you have been
earlier in the group stage. I'm
just impressed that LGD have
gone from the start of this
where we thought that they were
going to be the worst drafting
team that had a lot of issues
mid to late game to now team
where Quinn isn't criticizing
their draft and T's leaving
criticizing them mid to late
game anymore. In fact, it's the
opposite. You're complimenting
it. Yes, that's what happens
is the version of them that we like the most.
Yeah, well, it's looking good, right?
Six and three, they've got themselves six wins.
They're really pushing themselves up there
in the group standings.
And you're gonna need to, because you're looking at the face,
sorry, down the barrel of faces like team Falcons,
where they're sitting seven and two for themselves.
You wanna push yourself,
try and even out the score a little bit,
but Falcons coming up against Bet Boom,
this doesn't feel like it's an even affair,
but we could have said that previously
when Falcons went up against Liquid today?
To be honest, I feel like this Beplum team
is better than their scoreline.
Whenever I saw that they were kind of roughly middle of the pack,
it's crazy to me, because most of the games I see
of this team, they are going hog wild and owning everyone.
So I feel like, if anything, Falcons
might not be favorite against the Beplumers.
I feel like they've been owning.
I just like the fact that we're seeing new supports come
from them.
Like Katomi's playing the Winter Wyvern 5.
You've got Save playing like a random Orana,
a Orana that we don't really see.
Like if Snake is not playing Morana,
So the fact that saves doing is like ask out of cool, but and they're getting wins on them as well.
It's like they're on a little four win streak little hot streak in the group stage. It's a team that you always have to respect.
I'm glad that you brought up save because on social media and then maybe if you're a bit of a stats person, you would have seen that save just hit his 1000th official game being on the
the Bet Boom roster and so I got to speak with him a little bit and ask me about how
that felt.
Dave, congratulations on your 1000th official with Bet Boom that happened earlier today.
How good does that feel?
Yeah, I mean it was actually unexpected that my team congratulated me for this and you
can even see on my webcam the gift from the team.
It's jersey from all other jerseys for all four years, it's combined, it's picture, so it was really nice from them.
Yeah, it's super sweet, and of course there's been a number of roster changes as well over that period you've been with Batman.
Is there anyone that you have coined as your favorite teammate in the last four years?
I guess I played in all the rosters with GPK, so probably him.
Yeah, his his favorites. You became but I don't know if that's because of the volume of games or the fact that they've lifted many trophies together
I mean one of them was blast slam our very first blast slam. It was in a visa issue
Kirtic had to
Sorry
No, it was their mid-lane and the gpk stood in oh, they did have kietaka at the time. That's right
Yes, but kietaka and because of these issues gpk came back stood in and then it was the first trophy that they
lifted together. So it was like, it's very sweet that he coined you because he's favorite
teammate too.
The thing is what we've saved is like he's always been in the contention of like one of the best, if
not the best four in his career at points. And like the fact that he's stayed with this roster for so
long, when they were struggling in twin tournaments, they eventually have started winning the occasion
tournament for that year. But it's like kind of testament to his character to like stay true to his
team. Because I'm pretty sure at some point, the Falcons, the liquids, all these orgs have probably
been in his inbox going, Hey, man, you want to come join us? Like they probably has happened. So if
to stay with this team and to help kind of keep them informed to stay within like top six contention
in most tournaments is very respectable. Yeah I wanted to look at save's journey a little bit too
because more often than not we're hitting the really big numbers of like you know 2,000 games for
players or 2,000 games but that's that's your their whole journey we're talking about individually
on one org and so looking at maybe his journey he had the small stints on VP then went to Prodigy
back to VP again, and then it's been bet boom ever since. And now looking at the most played
heroes as well. He's got the Rubik, the SD, and the Muerta. So not really necessarily
what we would have put the corner that we would have put him in with the recent patches.
Yeah, I think these are a lot of his classic heroes. I mean, he's a ranged hero player
through and through. He's always been that way. And I think, I mean, the guy is just
a very rock solid player. He's an amazing waning phase. He's right place, right time.
It's just hard to poke holes, and I think his gameplay, some players a little more inconsistent.
a hero choices are bad, whatever.
Save is a player that he's just always good
throughout the entire game.
It's really, no one's ever looking at a game like,
man, save played so bad.
It really let his team down.
I've never heard this from a player or a panel.
Nobody, he's just such a solid player.
I mean, he's always been playing with Kea,
Tarker and Pure and other members of the, you know,
the head try to leave.
They do take the salt line quite a lot, that's true.
But outside of that, no, he is such a rock
on any team he has been on based on the stats.
It's been more like two teams.
And I wouldn't be surprised if he just continued
You know, the rest of his career just holding down the fort here because, again, he brings so much to the roster.
Also, I don't know if I'm going like a little bit crazy, but I could have sworn that he's played so many Lion games that Lion would have been in his top three.
But I guess that is just a recency thing. But he was playing in the patch that Lion was like gigacharred, and then he got nerfed a little bit, and Steve was still playing him.
He was the only person to still be playing him, and then he like dipped off a bit, and he was like, no, Lion's good again, I promise guys, and was still the only player playing Lion.
Yeah, I think it's easy to forget all these qualifier games and all these like if you go back to the VP roster and stuff
They're playing million billion zillion games and online tournaments those games they add up
I got it for you now. Alright, so on the graphic right here had water that was 95 lion was 91
Okay, so I'm actually not going to
I was thinking hoodwink. I was like, where's hoodwink on the graph? Yeah hoodwink had 92
So we were like three to four games for that here is that we were thinking about for save being on that
But again top three we only care about the tippy top not the top five
They want that depending on how far they make it in Blastland
We could be talking about him in a different line with different ones played heroes in in a week because I am wondering what exactly is
Gonna come out for these guys as we jump into our draw for but Batman Falcons
A doom is a very, very quick ban coming out from that bin.
Yeah, so they're running out, running back the same bans that Liquid did earlier in their game.
And I'm curious to see if they take the clockwork, as Falcons didn't have a super good answer,
and I think that's one of the games where Falcons has been the most outdrafted.
Especially with these Ench Chen bans that keep happening, I'm very curious to see what Falcons does here instead,
because I think trading this Pangolier for Snap Trade again may not be ideal.
Yeah, it's also like both of these teams are so
Like they're so attached to the laning phase that it needs to go well for them to thrive
Whereas like the supports for BB need to bring life to GPK the Falcons
They need the good sideline so mark and farm and it's like both of them have an importance of their supports
Of course in different directions
But I am looking towards already the support there is up for Falcons
I want to see the edge the clocks the map play follow
Katoa me and save on the map don't allow them just to kind of dictate the first eight minutes. I
I wonder if they do just ban the pango here instead. What was the final ban for them earlier today?
I don't remember. They were different bans. I don't think they banned snapfire.
No, so let me against Falcons. Which team to what team? What perspective? Sorry.
Oh, Falcons letting in the clockwork. Oh yeah, they letting in clock, they letting in snap and...
Yeah, they banned the SF and the CAS instead. So they're like more specific. So it does make
sense that then when you're not coming up against Liquid with those specific fans you do just go back
for the the snap GPK you don't want him to have it the clockwork if you're not willing to to let it
there either yeah it's better it's better i think they good adjustments you'd say good adjustments
they had a hard time playing against his clockwork um the other stuff is kind of just teams because
i don't play them too much they in first pick is crazy um but i think it's generally pretty good
against falcons as a team if you did this against you know say bet boom you'd get like in the
or Enigma or some random different zoo, but Amar doesn't play the zoo. So when you play
these sort of just single honest dude offlaners, then Bane is going to be pretty good generally.
Yeah, and not only that, it's like, I think they would struggle to find first picks where
most of them have been targeted through Falcons Bands. So they kind of already go into more
solid R backup to the first pick. And based on what I'm mentioning, Amar doesn't really
punish the Bane, so it makes sense. If carries can first pick draw, supports can first pick
And I wonder what they will respond with. I think historically Bane is a hero that Valgans doesn't like to play against
This makes sense and I think this kind of had to be the natural progression if Chen and Enchanted getting banned every game
And it's starting to feel like a crutch then okay, you got to move it up the first phase
I started to get it to that first base band territory if you want it
And Chen is also zoo so it was a simplified Falcons opening to the next phase
Well, if they want to pick the tusk or a smile on Snape's face, he's happy finally
Yeah, I get access to my best hero.
Easy win, boys.
Yeah, like, BB have to be mentally prepared in the second phase
to pick two heroes knowing they're probably
only going to see double support.
Yeah, it's definitely possible.
I wonder if Falcon's going to ban Shadowfiend.
We've seen this combo a million times to ban Shadowfiend.
I think they should.
If they want to win the game, otherwise, who am I?
Is it that simple?
No, I guess it's not. You could pick Drowen to it and pull out a spirit.
Dang.
Yeah, I don't know if Kiritich is as comfortable for speaking Drowen like that as Yatoro is.
Generally likes,
I'd say later picks on average for Kiritich.
Not exclusively, but on average.
There's stuff like the Alchemist that they like a lot too.
A Bed Boom day, they have a relatively wide pool, let's say, compared to some of the other teams, so maybe not wider, but a little more unique.
They really like Lycan right now, for instance, although I don't know if they're playing that against Chen.
Actually banning the Alps themselves, we have seen, I guess these bans are kind of cool, and we've seen Falcons pick both of these heroes on 13 before.
Just sort of getting the skitter out here out the way, which is something they very much like doing
I don't know if skitter has a ton of the late picks right now, especially since like the shadow fiend drow
It's a lot of heroes that he doesn't play and in terms of like the big blob dudes that skitter likes
These are two of the the premier ones. So these are these are very reasonable bands. Yeah, he's pretty much been tiny elk and
Venge then I cannot like his I'm entering the second phase just pick me right here or go next
Of course the penguin that goes through
I think I forgot about double supports completely forgetting that pango exists.
It's into bane though, and draw SF both still there, so I don't think it's something that
Puppum can't deal with.
It's always going to be solid because it's falcons, but we saw this panglier just get
absolutely blasted by slaughter draw ranger earlier, slaughter is still in the pool.
So they could run it back, I don't know if there's anything wrong with that, so I just
pretty good against Chen too, because you just crush and amp all his units with the
shard.
There's Maronnie you're talking about.
There's third eyebrow, skeptical look.
Third eyebrow.
What do I even mean?
Not say that.
What did you say?
I was supposed to say like forward eyebrow, but I said third eyebrow, I said third with
an F.
Like F you are.
And now you're telling me that F is fucking hell, man.
You know what?
That's just not...
This is so taking it out of context because I pronounce one word wrong.
I don't have a mono brow, but anyway they have they have bit more honor and I think save is one of the things that can make it work
Of course, they have made a park to enable that map play moonlight shadows always really nice against
You know heroes like Chen that want to take over areas with all reason whatnot
You can then go invisible wrap around you find the entry to the fight
You're not just running into the the guy who's kind of being dangled at the front line getting amped up by the heroes
I don't mind it
but it is very low damage the first three heroes that if Falcons do get a good start to the game
you will kind of regret having three heroes that kind of all kind of do the same thing.
Yeah it's a bit it's a bit scared and icky to me from Beppum I'm not a huge fan of this.
Murana against Chen in some ways I think it's a fake counter it's about you're trying to like
arrow the creeps but yeah it's not really the guy's good you can kind of dodge them and he's also
hitting you while he's microing his creeps so you're sort of playing this mini game it's weird.
And also Falco then responds to the puck with Crit's line that he has been, you know, loving playing recently between the clock and the line, it's like the big two.
And yeah, you can have that instant lockdown for the puck. Not a problem at all for that.
I can't.
But Falco though, like finding the replacement skitter hero, because again, like Tiny Alk would have been like the default blob pick for him.
Like, is he just gonna run back like the DK, Liquid have played it, you're into the puck.
And lastly to do that, we need to pick something here, so we will pick Winter Ranger, I don't
think it's particularly good against any of these heroes really, it's kind of just, we're
picking it because this lane is solid and he plays it.
The only thing I can see is the pacing that Winter Ranger brings in regards to the fight,
trying to get the Bane to nightmare or Fiend's Grip view whilst you're kind of wind running
in and out, with the chaos of a pangolier, the jump of a line, there's a lot of moving
parts to Falcon's fight and BB's lockdown is like the coil, the fiend's grip. So there's
gonna be so much chaos that it's probably gonna be tanked elsewhere. And even if Windranger
dies, you'd expect other people to now step up in the fight. That's kind of it. Birdman.
It's nice for their heroes to have another melee hero. Whenever they pick these two subs,
it kind of takes draw off the table. Look at the respect for the Legion ban. That is
in Amar respect right there. Look at him even smiling at it, like they're banning Legion.
They check the dot above.
Kez it's hard to see again where the cereal is bad. With Timbersaw already pre-ban, like
you said Legion. You can ban Axe and then I'm not sure what-
I was about to say what about Axe though? It feels like he still fits the same archetype
of what Legion enjoys.
Yeah, get rid of the Blademell boys. If that's what the boom boys care about, then they'll
get rid of the Blademell boys too.
Oh, Falca's banning themselves actually.
Eh, okay, 3-3-3 does pick out a phase.
Yeah, and they're also looking for an Offlaner, so...
Yeah, and when Ranger interacts, it can be a little bit dicey.
Are you running this Pengo Poc mid, and we're not even looking towards shifting that Pengo
to Offlane?
I'm not, like, they could look at something like a Void Spirit.
It's gonna depend on what weapon's last hero is, though, because...
You're saying it's like not a clear cut, it's significantly more advantageous to move it.
No, no, I wouldn't say so.
I think Pangolier will definitely lose lane to Kes.
And I don't think you want that because if you're actively losing a lane to the bird,
then you've got problems.
So I think they'll likely lose for something that's a better matchup versus the bird because
Pangolier does fine versus Puck mid.
It's roughly Josh.
The only reason why I ask is because maybe that could be the reason why Falcons are taking
out more off-laners, right?
They're not looking at an off-laner themselves.
let's take out as many as possible try and bait out some offline picks from Bevan.
All I want to see from here is like the dawns, the brew masters, the heroes that kind of
complement the fight that already exists. I think the damage, you're not going to find all your
damage just from your off laner, but a hero that can play through the lane and then go,
oh look, Kez has got an item when we join him, that sounds quite nice.
How do you feel about a brew for Falcons then instead?
I don't think the hero can lane against Kez. Yeah, yeah, I think you're gonna wrecked
Yeah, BB's lineup is very like his old-school way to win lanes where it's like you'll just try out CS your opponent
Like sentor Marana, you just sit there together. You just double hit waves and then Bane and Kez you can do it as well
So BB is strong lanes and try to find the farm and then of course fighting this as it scales is very spooky
I don't know what the heck Falcons want here all the the responses to Kez we've seen are gone so they're
Viewing new ground here. It's not super clear. I don't know what I would want here
To be honest because I think Pangolars probably made there's nothing that really strikes me as an amazing pick
If you picked a new mid hero, so this is just a more cooking sesh
Can it not just be like the off-lane bristle where's that you have no control?
But it's just like you buy Lotus, you just run in, you dispel some cat stuff, you're just a blob, you have goo for the Windranger.
That's a good shout.
That is risky.
Definitely risky, it's double range lane, and Centaur can solo relatively well versus Windranger and Chen, so there will inevitably be a Murana at TP's bottom, and is looking to kill you, so it's a game where a mornie is to be on his toes constantly, because they want to kill the zero.
But is it where they can do the Falcons lane setup where like the Chen lanes with the Viper?
So then you get the Chen into Bane matchup which will offset like the kind of the clunkiness of maybe the Lion Viper lane into the Bane?
I just don't know if it changes the fact they're still gonna come try lane you at some point
Well, that is very true yet
Because like I said, like you said Centaur into Windranger
The reason why you pick Centaur is that you have to return the level 6 timing of Windranger doesn't shove out the off-lane
Like he is just kind of full afk lived there played behind tower and it's like to know but
I can see I can see a world where the viper cares lane. It's very volatile
I have a viper steps up with poison attack and can find a way to shove kez out or viper goes too far in the lane
He dies a couple times and then he's walking back to lane or depressed and cares is perfectly fine with mage layer eventually
So yeah, it's just very volatile and it's not bad enough that you contemplate lane stopping by any means
I just want to that's just again you lose too much for what you might potentially gain
You're playing for the skill check right if you're picking the vibrant to cash
You're expecting to be him in the lane, but the case players like they know like okay
All I need is this timing to be able to get this kill and then I can have bluer at them
Right, so it just feels like between the safe lane of BB and the off-lane of Falcons
Someone's gonna dictate the tempo based on who gets more kills
Yeah, I don't think it's a very good Viper game. It's kind of just they just pick it because they ran out of heroes
I think and I don't like it's not good against puck. Kez is two-sided at best
And it's bad against centaur not to mention they can just stampede away or moron old ways always to kite you
To me, I think it's quite an underwhelming last pick. I I definitely in Beppum here
And it's also GBK puck. It's hard to root against that guy
He wins probably say is that up there with Nisha and Makoto in terms of the park
I wish we had more time because again, I would love to get you to tear this the puck players in the tournament
But quickly, quickly.
Can we do a support one at some point?
Of course we can do that for you, all right?
I'll put a bookmark in that one.
We'll reopen that when we get to it.
But for now, we're going to get into our best
of one between Falcons and a Bebbin
and see if that Viper last pick will bite him in the butt.
We got ladies and gentlemen time to get into the action here so what do you make of this
that last bit coming in the Marv Viper how how much does that move care about this um
I don't know because I think this I agree with what Quinn was talking about
I think this was like the kind of like last of the things left because most of them are was banned out
But I think also what I was looking at from Falcons is that
Something I was mentioning a couple of our games is a mar if he doesn't have a lane feels incredibly useless
lately with crit so I feel like that's what they're just trying to do is make sure that he has a lane
My worry is I feel like bepum could they could just start tri-lane as well too, right?
You could just leave the marana up there zone the viper and then if viper doesn't come off to a good start could just feed it
Versus the Bane plus the Kess because they have that much damage versus him early the brain sap being pure the hard physical damage
Perhaps a little worried for a mar if he doesn't get off to a good start will have dangerous this game
Playing extreme comfort across the board here
Yeah, let's see how this does look his beckham. They've looked really strong at least for me when I've watched most of their early games
And I feel like they could just start tri-lane top you just have sleep arrow kill get off to a start with for the Kess versus a
Viper and Viper walking back to the lane is dangerous.
I already see where Sneave is.
I had a feeling they might just do this.
Because you can leave Centaur alone
versus the Wind Ranger and the Chen.
So let's say Sneave is sending the Zealot top.
Maybe this is going to be something in assistance
to stop the combo.
Or at least scout it out.
You just going to check if this charlain is here.
how he does in this 2v2, honestly.
And what'd you make the third lanes elsewhere, you know, by getting this Pango vs. Puck?
Feel like we've seen this one a few times.
Yeah, it's a skill matchup, but I feel like the Puck can outplay pretty hard versus the Pango a lot of times
because you have, you know, a lot of tricks you can do with phase shift, dodging, shield, crashes,
getting that extra healing that comes in too.
So, for me, Eyes on GPK, how much you can dominate the lane, because he's been phenomenal recently.
super aggressive pushes the advantage of his heroes very hard
I want you to make about the bottom line is this a game where you're you're tolerating the
carry win ranger and you're seeing sort of being like an okay situation for it or you're a little
concerned for the carry win range of this game a little concerned they have a lot of chain stun
and a lot of burst especially in the early game just from natural spell combos pucks double spells
some moran double spells centaurs win ranger can be a bit of a fragile hero at
times and when I've seen the win ranger have success is when you can actually
bully the off later you cannot bully a centaur he gets just natural retaliate if
he gets chipped best you can never focus on him in the game until super late
stages that's all being said I do have to talk about the morana a little bit here
because this is a hero that is pretty much unplayed except for save but he's
also one of the only ones that plays like four position win ranger so perhaps
exception. And is there anything particular about this game that makes the Marana look good?
His, uh, the cores that he's playing with, I think it was like he had the Bane and the Puck
already, so he's got natural heroes to build the Rotations into. But, and also, I think Save
just likes to play these ranged heroes that he can play with Meryl and just be very aggressive
in the laning phase. That's the one thing that Celestial Quiver does give you pretty effectively
as an orbit. You can't put some good pressure in lanes.
So mid, Mal'Rean also a master of this matchup of course, manipulating the dragon as much
as possible versus getting a fair bit in this lane, 18-3 right now in comparison to the
14-2.
And he's fully in GPK a little too.
Very skill based matchup.
CS.
Pretty close right now.
and then it's coming.
It's the mid lane where the bit of the edge is.
Oh, and there's the arrow, it hits on to Cripp,
and now it's the first plus.
They're doing this, they couldn't get it
at the beginning of the game with the setup,
but three minutes in, coming in with the rotation,
and doing some fantastic work there for Keratich.
Now he was getting his way through the lane,
still way of being able to find CS,
but now they've managed to set up
to push both heroes out of the lane.
Keratich is gonna be over the moon.
And this is the design, right?
When you have this Centaur off lane,
He's gonna be able to be left alone, Quinn was mentioning it multiple times.
This is gonna be a roaming Murana now.
The lane is broken, you can play to set up this power runes or the water runes for GPK as well.
And look, you just keep playing top, I'd imagine.
So Amar and Crit have to be very aware, very ready for these rotations.
A little unfortunate for Crit, I will say, this is Arrow.
He unsleeps Amar and just gets hit by it.
That was actually hilarious, but it happens.
See if they can strike again top. Save.
to watch out for these nine-mast setups.
Create.
He's gone.
Landing up the arrow.
Going to look out.
Create out.
And this lane is designed to dominate, right?
If a Marr, if this Viper doesn't crush a Kez,
it can run into some pretty big problems.
His last hits are good, but this is the concern of it here.
bit here. They're gonna send the Chen creeps. Okay, so let's see if Snake, with Chen creeps,
they kind of have the pseudo tri lane up here while he plays with the Windranger bottom.
I feel like he might just bring his hero as well, because he doesn't really do anything
bottom to the Centaur anyway. Sure, but even with the creeps, you know,
Saev's just gonna still clear these creeps, right? Of course. So yeah, I think, yeah okay,
so he is making the move, he's bringing his hero as well too, because I was like, it doesn't
really do anything having the Chen bottom, and he needs to help Amar. If Amar dies once
more this is big problems problems here.
Now look at the hand in Kessarone.
So Snakey turning up they can at least strike back get a kill.
Very nice I think he needs to do this you cannot just stay in these you know two two lanes
allow Beckham to abuse you with the rotations. Miro going to have to creep drag likely now
versus Skeeter or he can play the lane actually and let's see how this lane ends up going top.
Another catch.
Oh, leaps that. Safe. Look at me. Look grenade. Another leap. Oh my goodness, single-digit HP,
but he will land.
It's nice movements working. Counteractive. Pretty happily here. Skeeter. He wants to
get involved for this as well. Trying to kill a Keratich. This is unexpected. Keratich.
Well, I think that's good fun.
And then the power shot.
Yeah, they've really just put everything into ensuring that this lane does not go to Beppin's way.
And that Amar set up for success, and Kiritich does not have the easy time that he was hoping for, bringing in the two supports to back him up.
Very glad they did this move. Even bringing the Wind Ranger, I like this, Kasketer. He can't really pose threat onto the center.
the centaur I think he only ends up missing two or three creeps as well. Very good moves,
making sure to re-establish things for Amar. Instantly though the aggression's coming in,
there's no creep to unsleep him as well.
He's trying to bring down Katsuo-Omi with him. He will. He reviews the ward.
He hit over the tree line so they now know that that vision is there. That's immediately
They gotta get the warded.
They do get the exchange, but they do lose the Viper again.
Let's get up.
I was thinking about trying to challenge for this, uh, Wisdom.
Oh, no, well, not...
That's dangerous.
Not against the Sensor.
Yep, Mero does not get the Chip Best.
He actually ends up just having the Stone Feather.
This item is still very nice, having this Armor to Jungle.
Whenever you swap it.
It is nice to have this on the Sensor.
Now he's just gonna go...
Now he's just queuing up a Heart.
He's probably not gonna fire the heart
Did that be pretty well for the ring the ring of Tarras is the new purchase people just like having the age
I'm on the way these off liners. Yeah
Radiance middle tower
Okay
See what I want to go now
with
I'm off. I mean it seems like a cure to cheese. He's playing very careful now. Doesn't really want to show in the lane top
Very balanced early game here reactions made from Falcons to reestablish their lane dominance
But only by a small margin here 500 ahead on the Viper over that 3000 on because
Unsleeps Maureen again to doing a very good job of passing this off here very prepared for it
Jen creeps always gonna be very good versus the Bane
Top, Kiritich trying to get some of these creeps but of course taking a lot of damage
anytime he steps up here against him.
And Amar knows he has backup coming toward him as well too so he's playing super far
aggressive for it.
They will catch Kirit.
Okay, watch out for more though.
Maureen's coming in, Kiritich will lead him with the ult onto Snake King.
Stampey's there as well, DPK's safe, DPK's snipe by the Swashbuckle.
Maureen finishes him off.
You see him.
Snipe, Skeeter.
The shackle on a Kiritich, Kiritich will opt for the TP out, nothing else to stop it.
I'm about to play quick.
I can get back up with the pressure on to this K1 tower, and with Skeeter around, they
should be able to finish this tower off.
I love how aggressive Skeeter's dealing with these ports.
He can't contest the Centaur, he's going to lose his tower out of it, but making some
good aggressive moves in order to make sure that his Viper is in his comfortable spot.
Because you don't want to see him or dying up here.
You want to see them continue to pressure through this Viper at the moment here.
Let me try to set up for Miero, a big beast to go through though, they probably need the
pango I would imagine to try for him in Miero.
Double bounty room.
I think I'm going to bring four heroes for him, okay.
But it's TP got cancelled!
Miero is in!
I'm off!
He did not respect the fact that they were there waiting on the high ground for him.
Was he with the T-Rail?
We'll still die!
Nearly bring Skeeter down with him.
So, end of the day, they didn't need him, huh?
How'd you get the job done?
I'm sure Miroll's...
Supply for the offlaners.
Miroll's probably pretty sad that he doesn't have Chipfest,
because if you get Chipfest, you don't die like that.
He actually just lives and Skeeter dies.
Marine.
We'll get the Rune.
Arcane Rune for him.
But a bargain is slowed down, a very even early game, kind of across the board here.
And is there one of these two line-ups that does need to be a bit ahead a little bit more?
Probably Radiant, probably Farkens, I would say.
Mawreen. Mawreen. He's going to use the rolling thunder. The Stampe comes out in return. Curitich will go straight for stanking.
Stampe is healing up though. He's taking a little longer to kill. Will finally fall. Both of the supports that Valken has dealt with.
Mawreen. At the setup. Very nicely done with the nightmare. Ends the arrow on Mawreen, but not enough damage.
Mawreen's fine. Fenty of one charges as well.
Really good execution there from from BB just dancing around the rolling thunder getting the connection there, too
That was actually quite beautiful for them as well two great spellcasts skater
We'll try to finish off the tower, but has to be careful versus the sleep
Stampede's gonna be a problem for them in a lot of this a lot of moments in this game
Not the best catch in particular on the side of falcons
Did he might actually use go hard
I mean, it looks like that's the dream, if you know what I'm saying, for the heart rush.
Steppy arguments for a very good crimson game versus tango plus the wind ranger.
Perhaps you can wait for it though, if you want to do this just fully rebuild.
Well, to go hard into crimson.
It sounds kind of wild, but it makes the crimson that much stronger.
I'll say, Amar.
Falcon's still looking to play fast here.
They don't want this game to slow down too much,
I'd imagine, versus this BB Draft
because it does scale very hard if they can
with Kesin Fog.
Level's been got.
Homie does have the 6 now.
Bean's Grip is at the ready.
Amar is only level 7 right now.
Dude, this is concerning for me.
Amar level 7, Centaur about to be 10.
There is hitting the piece yeah getting insane amount of just solo farm
For the most part sitting down a knock occasionally offering up a stampede to help see map
But other than that mirror is getting to live a nice peaceful life down the bottom part of the map farming away
It's on me. Not so peaceful
We'll get brought down for a mirror at 38 to people a second can just sit in this area, and it feels for falcons
Have to put the pressure on have to just push that envelope
around this pangol around this viper who does have good timings malrin in
particular top of the net worth right now the fusel is finished having a good
separation between him and you
just seem that these kills to happen it's a lot in save and save so far has
been hitting these arrows but he has to keep and skitter he is there
He's gonna kill Potat.
Coil? Very dead.
He's in.
He just gone.
There's quite a bit easier for BB in this, just to get these kill setups.
It feels harder for Falcons to really get that setup onto most of these cores in particular, right?
The Centaur, honestly, all three cores feel very, very difficult to bring down.
Heritage. Hard to kill.
Centaur, probably impossible to kill, especially when he has the heart and the pot.
I was gonna say, if you don't get the hatch.
How how unkillable is it?
Honestly quite unkillable. They have to they'll have to commit a lot on to him there the rolling thunder to chain stun
And he might just still be able to disengage he's going for he's got the reaper I
Can see the vision from BB if they just just slow the pace down just chill back
It does feel like a lot of the onus is gonna be on Falcons to
Really put the pressure forward here and constantly killing pressure these towers here. So limited mistakes. I would say the Falcons can leak
They do have a fast paced draft with this chin and they can check objectives very early
if they do get even one or two kills.
Snae having...
Which Aura's does he have right now?
Riverborn Aura plus just a Centaur and then there's Ele.
Alright.
I'm looking at Mare, I thought.
even with it's yeah it can't really set up on me knowing that the stamp he's
gonna be back up pretty soon it it's just doesn't seem like a play you can go
for right now in the center especially so the other thing right with the heart
rather than the crimson yes crimson makes you and your team probably
unkillable but the heart makes it so you'll kill skater skater actually can't
focus fire you again because of retaliation right so straight return
damage it's 40% so now it's every hit is returning 90 physical yes it'll get
reduced first some of this armor but it's only seven armor so I likely just die
if he does focus fire yeah they have to have a mile around you know if you can
get into the Viper Strike then maybe they'll have sort of durations to be able to focus
firing and bring him down but yeah but without that Viper Strike speeder can
pretty much never go on there that look maybe they're fine with game slowing down
they can just chill back it feels like they do have the better scaling lineup
and we'll see if that idea is right the heart it's coming out already here
from you. Yeah, I mean, I think
you're pretty happy. Yep. He's
top of the network, getting a
good amount of space up top. I
don't think the Hulkins is
unhappy, but I do think that
they want to get a bit more
done here in these next five
minutes. I don't think they
want this to stay stagnant
like this. For sure. Because it
feels from what we've seen, you
would probably favor the line
up with the carry Kez AFK farming rather than the lineup with the carry WimRanger.
Yeah because this is a broken hero. If you get to the late stages this hero just
honestly wins the game because you just one shot people.
Pike for Amar is finished up. The Malrin blink daggers. Maybe that's when Falcons looks to
accelerate because they can actually get into these heroes a little easier when they have the
the blink on Valorant.
That's the thing I wonder as well.
Do you think Mira will sell for the blink or with the way that the game
plays kind of playing out?
Do you think you might even consider getting something else
before he goes from here?
I want blink.
Honestly, I don't I hate with Centros don't have blink 20 minutes.
It's like, what are you doing?
It just feels like you can't do anything.
Like your team is just you're just a soak and they can ignore you.
So I would prefer he does get it next there.
And you get a lot done with it to be fair when you just have a blink you have the follow-up
And you get out you are the setup as well to for your team for the Marana who has three points an arrow
Speaking of the Marana. Good job of hitting them. Save two zero five
He has that's all as well now finished too. So quite a bit more damage on their side on the side of BB
I'm gonna look in there and they have got that combo Lamar here ready to help out
If they get the catch from Crit, I think a Viper Strike, a Finger, and a Focus Fire should still do pretty significant work against the Centaur.
Ah, Marine.
Not to catch Trun to Kat's Army, they've got them in like shadow, but protection's down.
Slow pace game, they'll just throw the ult onto the van here. Will B.B. punish that?
No rolling Thunder, do they feel like they can get anything out of the map out of it? They do have to desle up from Kiritich.
So he might get aggressive here too with GPK.
And it's just a bane kill. So even though it's, you know, game pace is slow, it is only that five position and they do commit quite a bit there.
These Quarres continue looking quite strong on the side of EG. Skeeter?
They just can't beat to close in on him after the setup's been there for GPK or with the
Dreamcoyle.
Arrow, it'll hit.
Do they have enough to finish it?
No heals are coming out.
It won't save him.
They get the kill.
And Mera here just TP out of this one.
As they get the two kills, they get away.
They don't lose anyone themselves.
Oh, and the worries are increasing quite fast for the side of Falcons.
Show up for the fight.
They don't have one thunder for it.
And they just get arrow combo, Skeeter gets brought down, and it's as Kiritich gets the
Deso too, so he shows up an instant two stacks for him.
The dream for the Kev's.
Yeah, it looks hard for Skeeter, I'm wondering how he itemizes too, because we've mentioned
multiple times for these Windrangers that me and you sometimes don't like a lot of times.
You need an early BKB, and there's just a lot of raw physical damage that's going to
be able to bypass it as well in this game too.
So obviously once Mjolnir into BKB, but it feels like BV now at this point can just fight into this with the later scale in draft at this point too.
There we go.
Falcons.
Right on.
Right away.
Perfect catch, almost getting the two of them, the ward immediately paying off for them.
And only a 2K lead but it feels painful versus this type of early game draft that I feel like Falcons has gone for here with the Viper.
Not for sure yet. So far it just feels much more effortless from Betboom. Falcons are kind of like, you can tell they want to do something but not really able to make it happen the same way that Betboom is with these little moves here and there.
and save on this Marana.
He said, we're going to see a lot of Marana.
He is doing very well.
We're in 207, barely missing an arrow.
And it's been a fantastic follow-up to all the setup
that they have had, fitting very nicely into the draft
this game.
Yeah, Moonlight Shadow is quite good also.
Like, overall, as a hero, this is one of the main concepts
it was picked for a lot of times in the past with that arrow.
So they have to get something going here.
If this fight goes bad, this game
is going to get very progressive.
progressively way worse. See what they can't connect, Cripp.
Get a hex.
Camber turn, comes under the jump, core person.
Hanks.
We'll get the dragon self out of this.
Marine comes in with a rolling thunder on to save the jump away,
but the focus fire will allow him to take out the second support.
Supposed support's gone.
Skeeter.
It's something going for them, but again, it's just supports
Not able to find any of these core pickups, but at least don't end up losing one of their own course
They came back up and reset to get the farm
The PB that was at the forest. They're not they're not dying here at the ch this Kaz
He's the top of the network by coming a significant margin right? He is about one two and a half thousand over the win ranger at this point, too
If you can get to BKB, it feels pretty unkillable.
Setting up for the move immediately.
Smoke, save and Miro.
Let me skeeter this look in it for if you can get here.
If they do see the power shot, I think they did.
Ooh, tumble!
Yeah, they touched the new stone.
All right.
You can Miro off, skeeter.
You should now skeeter the rod.
Close, triple die for this.
The skin gets out. Very important.
Little tumble toy gets him away. Love this item.
Top tower. BB will turn this one into a push.
And could look for...
Can they threaten Roche? Maybe wanted to find a kill before that, but they do have a deso.
So they can't threaten either that or Tormentor.
Falcon's perhaps setting up for the Tormentor first. They are in the area already.
Let's see if BB identifies this and do start poking the rush, let's see what the call is
going to be.
They were pinging it, but I think it was Falcons who was actually pinging the rush, maybe expecting
that BB was going to go for that trade play, but it's not the case.
So Falcons will be able to get away with this for free.
And it is a shard that goes onto the Chen, so a really nice one that he's able to pick
up here.
Radiant's middle tower is under attack.
They won't want to let the tier one go.
No quite yet.
Kiritich.
See if he's down to the whole tower.
See the smoke move come through the twinge.
They're looking for a plate top because Kiritich's a ported bottom.
I think they're trying to avoid the Kaz and get a situation where they can fight 4v5.
Still hard though.
The other two cores that you are going to find if you do find them are going to be the descent.
They're trying to be tanky in GPK who will be ready to jump away unless Kiritch
It's the one getting the lead in and they're getting the read Falcons is reading it
But so is BB look at the positioning here from Katom and Miro
Miro prison
in the trees
Arrow
To stamp it and run away from the rolling thunder
It will be there for snaking
It's just coming immediately be average on pin on to them
That's the jump top.
Miro though.
Huston point to the two.
Get arrow.
Gonna get caught by the arrow again.
And Kira touches the top of the raptor down.
I say save.
He doesn't miss.
He does not miss it with these arrows.
Amar trying to bring down Miro.
Huston come through.
Miro's gonna miss.
Amar to die.
The team might be a little too much.
Hi Miro.
What if B start us in this one?
Just jumps in onto the high ground.
One versus five essentially catches the stun, brings down the lion, gets the point.
follow-up stun and then save with the arrow it connects perfectly on the windranger
you can see it kind of developing pretty quickly falcons is kind of chaotic popping the heal to
save their lion and kyrtug is just running across the map like guys i'm coming to clean this fight
up and absolutely him and gpk too that's crazy 40 up to 10 stacks as well and kyrtug up to that one
they they now now they could definitely just look to the rosham and i don't think there's gonna be
any more of Falcons heading over to this park than that. I mean they have, but I guess they have
to take the risk. At least try to steal, I would say, because they do have these blink daggers
through the temp floor, but not easy. It feels so hard. It feels very forced.
And Stampy's giving back up soon. They're gonna spare it. They get the hex.
Rolling Thunder as well. Those go on securities tonight. Now they'll take him out of it,
give him the chance, put the BKB in there, give him a lich tank, get into the center of the fight
with the all the heals up, the stomps on Tuskina,
Tuskina gets taken in by Roshan.
He gets taken out by the Rosh, Kiritich lives.
I mean, it felt desperate.
You know, questions of whether or not
they were actually going to go for that play, Falcons,
they do, but it ends miserably for the R.O.V.T.
As Kiritich, he survives.
Oh, my God.
Killing him off there at the end, despite Mawrings' best efforts,
everybody's just dead on Falcons.
Everybody's alive on Bethune.
It was a risky move to try and stop the Roche attempt, and it goes pretty much as bad as it could have.
They're playing the fights beautifully, reading the plays perfectly, and nice individual plays from Kiritich and Save,
saving each other versus that pangol in particular.
And then Roche, he decides to join BB's team as well, punches Skeeter in the face, brings him down.
Great execution.
Katomi, if the sleep gets that save potential there for the Kaz, immediately gets the Raptor dance on everybody.
They're at the three cores just looking unkillable at this point on the side of BB and yeah for Falcons
I
Think they're running out of steam very quickly right there timing
They're all about this mid game having some type of advantage, and it just hasn't been there
He doesn't miss
I'm telling you, he doesn't miss!
Red's gone.
I get the Viper Strike on Amira, but no further damage to throw at him.
What a beast.
And oh, Miero's going, an item that we don't almost, I think, ever see. He's going to Crella's.
No, I don't think I've seen that in any of the games that we've cast.
None.
We didn't even see it versus like Necrophosus and like Superheal.
He'll have to help Thraceration last, but Miero, getting it early this game.
Yeah
It's gonna get nine mad. There's no grip for a few seconds so much damage from doesn't matter
The first thing I look at the heels from the chance making might be able to say
It's gonna get out
Only just though
My god, the snaking was ready with the heels
Get speeder out and away. It's a comic talking about this color. So why what is the logic here for mirror?
What does this do for him?
I
Miss wanted
It's just for the chair right because it I'm trying to find I'm trying to think about anything else
It's just yes. It's just this chin kind of stuff
Maybe just feel like there's no damage with the ghost after just a very value purchase and just wants to upgrade it to
I don't think this is any like oh my god. This is the crumbest game. Yeah, right, but it's just it's fine, right?
I'm just happy to see a bot. I think there's games that you can argue for it because there's
just not really that much health restoration in the game. Now at this point it's G.D. Paulinbag,
this and Scotty, essentially. Bottom.
It will come out. It turns to kill up the lane but a mage is getting shredded by this
Okay, so the other thing I guess with centaur is because you're pretty slow
It's kind of like this boots
Because you move faster when you steal right so
Besides the health restoration the argument for that is kind of cool, too
I'm trying to find any other reasons right because it's it's kind of it doesn't feel like it's the absolute best thing
You could buy this game, but just yeah, I want it to be giga tanky
That cool
Either way, the course, as we see, BV pretty much untouched, just the one death on them
so far here in Falcons, as we said.
It does feel like their draft has pretty much run out of that steam here at this point,
so.
See what they can do.
With the BKB now from Skinner, he does have that at least.
We have seen some big turnarounds in these games.
We've seen some throws as well, too.
This one definitely does feel like it would be the latter.
No space on the map.
These three crows will kill anyone.
Pretty much an instant right now.
And GPK having a flawless performance.
Some of these pucks just go absolutely crazy and he's one of them.
I feel like every game I see him play it when he's not versus like an Earthshaker or some like crazy amount of chain stuns from three different heroes.
He gets away with games like this.
Yeah, I mean again, just sort of shooting up one of those games right where now for a mark on the Viper
It just never really was gonna be that sort of hero that he would be able to kind of carry in scale with as much as you know
You'd sometimes want to see I'm I'll be able to write on some of his other greedy of things
Yeah, like I could see the Viper if they had this melee four position where you can just play this link super aggressive
But the fact is this double range volatile off lane
I think that's what I've seen Valve can struggle at least lately either when they have double main lane or when they have double range
When I see them have success it's been like a mark playing Razor cliff playing
Some clockwork or something like that and they can play the lanes afterwards even if it doesn't go bad doesn't go well
This is what it just feels like a lane didn't dominate so now they're in a really rough spot and no progress very quickly
And because it's sort of make the plays where they were able to get good stuff going on that top lane
It just it requires like four heroes. Right. It's pretty much the entirety of the safe lane going up the top lane to help out.
Exeter.
He might just die to the right clicks.
Oh, the heal from Chen will keep Skeeter okay.
TPK's chasing.
But still in DGPK wants to finish off the job.
And he's going to be able to do so.
Okay, cool. But the he doesn't matter.
He's got the E on this.
He's fine.
And Skeeter's dead for 50.
Mira chilling in the base.
I mean, he is not scared of anything.
point in time. Hits the arrow even though it's in the Rollin' Thunder. He did hit it well.
That will count. How does it hit? That's a 95% arrow accuracy. Don't check it.
I mean, I could do this. Yeah, save as... like, unironically. So many balances. Yeah, like,
it helps right when you have very good setup. He does have Bean, Puck, and Centaur, but he
He's hit those without it even a couple of times here.
Falcons, little foot play.
Personal snaking.
Here it is, ready to come up with the damage.
Snaking, take it out.
And Kripp and Amar running back to the other side of the screen.
Shoot it, shoot it, shoot it,
put the BKB in, get in.
He's gonna dive them.
Kripp will be able to blink away from the orb,
keep you guessing if he could follow him up on that,
but Kripp will survive across the tree line.
So, trying to go super aggressive there,
weren't quite get the explosive sort of kills that they wanted from the high ground chasing him with the KSB KB
This crows I'm actually seeing it more not because of the heel steel
But the slow he provides is actually quite insane. He just blinks in the face of the chat. It applies this crazy slow
He's super fast that I'm used to impede
I've been trying to theory craft a lot more games with this item because I I want to purchase it as well too into some of these games
But okay, cool. Nice to see
Jump, Garo.
He knows he's under no threat here up to 6000 HP with two double edge stacks.
How do you kill this?
How do you kill this Centaur?
You may never again.
They're going to try Falcons.
Looking for BB when they're split up.
It's a pretty desperate move here as well too Falcons.
It's more blind safe!
Okay...
Not a big kill though. They wanted to find like a Kaz with a hex or something along those lines.
Shirt ditches.
Really playing smart after that initial bit of pressure being put into the lane.
He's a good Kaz. Once, getting crazy far. Yeah, he's looking to be up there with the best of them on this era.
Yeah, I think the top three for me are yeah, it's Kiritich, Mikkei,
Ancetanik and actually maybe even Tylong he's in there, but he's a midcast so we're easily a little bit different, yeah
Because he's a bit quite proficient on it as well to push up to the tier one bottom
At least they'll be able to get this with the creeps here
BP doesn't want to react to it
And can be now for Kiritich so he's quite some pretty over for Skeeter
That's insane the timings that he's been able to him and GPK they can just bypass the wind run super easy now with that
plus the Parasma
And Skeeter can't he can't really hit any of the course
I just don't know how he even attacks them. He cannot attack the centaur
Can never attack the puck and just packing the case also
Not gonna happen he be perhaps looking at close with this next fight another catch
Should open up Roche. Long spawn though.
In fact they can hang on but it truly has felt like they're just hanging on now.
For the last 10 plus minutes.
I'm providing my Trin to help speed things up for them.
No, that's it. It is a long spawn though.
There's a minute and 30 seconds so maybe they just hang on to it inside of a bottle.
Right now rain
Not many plays that they can make looking to set up for the wisdom here
But does look like BB's gonna just be able to deny that one away as well
Make them suffer
Falcons there probably gonna have to try and go for the smoke up to the roach, right?
What was that side?
Go for Smite to the rush, Falcons.
Yeah, they're going to risk again.
They don't know if it's upright, so you have to go for this type of play at least to scout things out.
So, could be the last fight here we do see.
And how does Falcons execute to kill backlines?
Somehow have to catch the Kez alone in a chain stun.
Malrin.
Oh.
Right.
It's OK.
They're ready to close the gap here with the stampede.
Crit's going to get cleaned up.
The rest of them have to run.
Mirror closing in onto Amar.
Amar, they'll get caught by the Hustok.
They'll try and turn here, but the Valet's undercoming in.
But Kyrus is ready to bring through the physical damage
to cut down the Viper.
Maureen has not done the damage on his own to kill anyone.
He just has to TP out with the remainder of the roll done.
They may call it.
Three of them dead and barely a scratch done
They're hanging on to it, but this one's truly done and Dustin Skeeter just he even it just runs away from the fight instantly as it starts
Kicking off they know that they do not have a chance and she said a BP
Just very good pincer plays to create can't get spells off. They get super rounded super quick here
Super clean plays from them. They've looked really good in a lot of the games when they do get an advantage
This one looks like one of the best they have not slipped up on that advantage at all this game
Not even a look at not even a hiccup, right? It's just like they got a moronic kill in a tower
But yet no hiccups really along the way
Urshen up
and the security wants to head over and take it.
Pick that Aegis.
He's ready to take the fight to the high ground.
The Falcons were.
Falcons in the scandal.
He tested for the final time.
And they pushed back and Aegis pushed.
We've seen many a fight being lost outside of the base.
And maybe they'll have a little bit better
potential on the high ground.
But probably not, folks.
Very unlikely.
Let's see.
What does he have pilped up?
Okay, he goes they say needs to get some type of small damage item just desperate times for desperate measures
He picks up the revenant brooch
No, he's probably not gonna get to that next item get any type of damage he can get I
Don't think you can let them set up for the push though
So it might look weird it might sound weird but Falcons might have to just fight outside
Because I think if they set up with the push with the banner there's very little ways for you to contest that
But yeah, it's it's hard to say
Super limited damage all three cores very elusive
Very close to having the sheaves God ready as well for the next bit 300 gold and I'll have that
Picked up for the final push. I love that. He went this heart rush for pro games
But for pub games they're gonna have people buying heart first item in San Francisco
You're not a fan of it, you f**k-desk.
They're here to trade.
So Kat's cat on, it's a good shackle.
But Kat may threaten the central.
They've got the hex and the micro-strike.
They've even done pretty well, everybody's able to get the stampede off.
They could've finished him.
The group's gonna be there controlling Maureen and now Curtis.
He's ready to clean up the kills.
Gets the line, turns over towards Amar.
Amar is gonna take out the damage of the cast.
They cannot deal with these calls, GPK's him of the side, it's onto Maury.
That boom. In with the push.
Shackle not gonna latch.
Too far ahead, and Falcons is too far behind Miro.
If he's any less far, and they can't actually kill him there, but he's just too much of a beast.
Jump set.
Snake king.
Chops down. Fly the gas.
Really cool build from Miro of this game. Really love to see it.
And definitely see him. I want to see more of his crowd list, perhaps even on Centarkis.
does look interesting with that movement speed as well.
It was definitely a tough one.
Did feel like one of those games where for Falcons,
they just needed a bit more to happen on that off-flame, right?
It just didn't go the way they needed to,
especially when they invest sort of their final pick into that lane.
Seen it a bunch of times.
Give this time the skitter.
Gone again.
And he's dead without buyback.
Everybody's got Retaliatora, good luck, focus firing, and he's...
He hasn't been able to at all this game, and it's not like it matters anyway in the long run.
BB, Swift Execution.
You alright?
Can they kill him?
No. No. No. No, no. They can not kill him.
Alright.
They put the angle on security, but now they're ready to get the angle back onto them.
He's okay, we'll get caught by the Hex.
Here it is. Straight on towards the mark.
The mark will go south to try and get back to the fountain.
Well...
They can't kill anyone.
They're trying.
They're just too far behind. Double raxes.
Having cleared one final set to go.
Still having ages for two minutes as well, and 25s across the board here for the cores.
All three hitting it almost at the same time that that's how you know that your three cores had a pretty picture perfect game
They're all 25 have the exact same moments essentially
Swipe link on Kira titch. Yeah, I will continue to fly out
They might even get all this would be pretty if they all upgrade their blinks at the same time to gpk upgraded blink
Swift tree upgraded blink Miero upgraded blink. They actually are gonna have this energy. Oh
Oh
I shame that they're not like the free gift not all three of them. I know I was gonna say the same
But just buy the arcane blink so let's know one does it board. No that item sucks. That was what was that game?
Someone did buy an arcane blink. Do you remember?
recently
Yeah, but he was like it was wasn't it. What was that wasn't it scope field?
What was he playing like when he was playing win ranger or something's play some weird support and he got any
He got Arcane Blink.
I remember that at Dreamlink.
It was like second item.
I need to check now.
I'm fine.
I thought it was in the second way.
Was it second item?
It was.
It was.
It was, dude.
Well, because they were stomping, right?
Yeah, they were Omega stomping.
I found it.
It was first staffed into Arcane Blink from Mr. Skosko himself.
I knew it.
I remembered it.
Son.
So
They find out a mark, arrow down with the follow-up
Completely chain stun, doesn't have buyback
It is trying to kill save, the fiend script comes out
We'll get put to a stop by the wrong thunder
Ask you to put the beat, get me a run, but it has the damage to go for the evasion
It is over, Gigi is called
Bet boom, very dominant in this one
As Falcon's game plant, it just does not come together
And another game kind of that shows why we're not big fans of this kind of win measure feels at least the point
I feel like we've seen this so many times now
So if you want to play it, maybe you've got to make sure there's not sensor in the game for I was I was about to say the same thing
I think this is the fifth time I've seen a last pick win ranger
Or like, you know a win ranger in the game made as a carry and a last pick center comes out
And you can't really play your lane is effectively you have to do all this shenanigans
But across the board, I think maybe just had their number if they played way better in this whole matchup
They really did well played there to bet boom as this was a tough one for falcons couldn't get couldn't get much going at all
Yeah, that been looking at a fantastic
I mean it does feel like the age-old counter you pick the wind ranger
You just have to pick up the center and response
But there was just so much more going right to them quit everything that bet them wanted
Just came it easily to them. Yeah, I think their their entire game plan was pretty much on track right at the start of the game
they got this Viper kill and then from there, I mean, I think Falcon's been a nice adjustment bringing heroes to top and sort of fighting back and not letting Viper get ganked up on for free.
But at some point, that was heroes just kick into art and it's very difficult to play.
So I think Falcons can't have this even start.
We saw the game stagnate and chill for a while and then that clock is ticking and that's not the way Falcons wants to play.
I was just refreshing seeing BBs line up right like the idea of what it's meant to do.
It's like to outsize through in the lane to eventually scale to this like little pumpkin line up where it's like you find an arrow here
Let's just say save hit so many amazing hours in this game
Like he's hitting skitter in the in the mid lane then he's like our ring in the enemy jungle to also hit like a like a pango
Who's running in about to roll? It's like it was a really exceptional game from him
But everything was just about balance within their lineup and they executed it really really nicely
They're quick to react, you know, it's Falcons want to jump in, take one of the
heroes out trying to have numbers advantage and straight away Beth and Malak, well, if you can do that
So can we and they just re-engage so quickly. I think people have started to to figure out
Falcons drafting a little bit. They were very I'm gonna say the first free loss against Goliath. That's a gimme
But then after that they look very dominant
I think people have started to try different openings against them and figure them out a little more
The pango has not looked particularly impressive. It's lost the last couple of games and in those games
It's not like pango's been
Dragging his team along and they've been anchors the pango's been said roughly as useless as everything else and they're stuck last pick with a
Viper that's just not a very good Viper game
I'd argue the same a little bit towards the the lion as well
Right like I feel like clockwork and hoodwinks have been way more impactful from the side of Crip
But on the lion he's kind of like complimenting others
So then when Pang goes underperforming and you got a lie in the four-roll, nothing's really functioning.
Nothing's really moving forward. So I thought there are some slight problems with the Falcons.
People are kind of sussing them out, but yeah, it's, it's scary.
Bibi just kind of, they just look like sort of rock solid team right now.
There's an element as well of this, Kez is a big question mark to me, and that's in regards to every team, right?
Where are you placing it when you want to either come up against it?
Are you willing to let it go as far as it did on the side of Beppin where they go to close out their second phase with the Kez?
Do you want to ban it in the first phase?
Are you comfortable playing yet?
Like there isn't a clear cut counter to it and then when you get to ban to protect it like
Yeah, there's just so much of a conversation that can be had around it, especially
Kiritich going 17 and 1 with the Syrah.
Yeah, the hero is disgusting and there aren't really like honest counters to the Syrah.
You see people try stuff all the time and none of it really works
Think the best thing against Kez is just good overall gameplay and having a good overall draft and you'd have to play go to there's no
Calminer picking this hero. It's first-band for a reason. I think that's another thing that Falcons has an issue with is they don't play Kez
That's a big problem. Well, that's what I was alluding to with that
Yeah, one under the bus
That's right. Sometimes they're gonna be underneath a bus like Centaur. He's a fucking bus and he walked through this game
Well like a truck I would say. To be fair. Look at his build. Maybe he's frozen
Oh god, I segue from that one.
E-Wade, the fat-ass Encentor looking amazing.
He had like a 15 minute, 33 second heart.
Double triple bracer, sorry, inter-heart.
Like, this type of build you don't see.
I believe it was actually the quickest heart
we've seen Encentor on this patch by a good 10 minutes
because normally it's through, you know,
picking up other items.
But as you see here, really reminding you, he has heart.
But the main thing is he's kind of jumping in,
he's taking Viper, and with Viper,
like after like four poison attacks you got a disengage but he's able to kind of
just soak up so much and then by time for others to come in like his blink
dagger hard build he didn't have this fear of I blink in I'll die good luck
teamers I'll blink in I will soak everything and then my team will jump
on it but of course things are going so well the heart will just look very good
well that's the question you're saying you know it was the fastest by 10 minutes
and that's because you normally would want to go the blink first you want to
have an initiation or the dome or the blade mill or anything.
There's something else that it's just like, oh, it's the stepping stone to that hot.
But for this game, just immediately going straight hot quit.
Yeah, it's hyper luxury, right?
It's a game where his team is kind of fighting and doing his own thing without him.
He's not needed any of this stuff and he can kind of just create and buy it.
In other games, you might need armor more or as in this game, it's not like Winterger's
not going to touch him.
Viper's a lot of magic.
The way the damage is mixed in a way that he can just buy this and get away with it,
I'd say this is not a don't try this at home every game. It's not me not in well
But in this game, it works and he gets away with it
It ends beautifully. Well, do you have quickly something nice?
That's the beauty of donuts like itemization is not locked into just one specific guide if you do that
You are just held back so he read the game understood what I had to do issue all along. Yeah, just okay
So when you're going to go to game, you know, it's free. Who's the guide tab and you'll gain like 5,000 ever
Well, I'm gonna need them. I'm gonna need that. That's for sure. Well, okay
It was a fun series to get to watch there and now that we're halfway through our final
day I want to check out the group standings.
The implications of Falcons losing this one and Betbom winning it is pretty dramatic.
We're going to see the updated standings that yeah coming in today Falcons were looking
like a sure fire that they weren't going to have to play any best of three to make it
to Copenhagen.
Now they're at the point where we're going to have to rely heavily on Dr. Noistaddle to
see those rankings.
They're still in the top two at the moment, but that boom went from what would I think they were like about fifth or six now up to first
They're the ones in the lead and looking pretty comfortable because their last matchup is gonna be up against to cliff
And you have to remember right P vision is playing you really have to hold yourself back
Okay, PMA can I do the PMA point P vision if they be liquid also seven three
So it's like we just don't know outside of mr. Doctor himself who ruins the good doctor the good doctor mr.
the news. Dotto there are like many teams in contention. Well, you're talking about this
current power game that's going on if they win this day, they are literally hitting the
the table. If they could close this one out, you're saying they might go out there. As long
as you don't throw this game, they're in the check in my SP. There it is. Well, that would
that would be fantastic because the final match for both party and Falcons is up against
each other. That's later in the day that we're going to be coming out on a stream. So with
of parry again now having closed that one out officially.
It does put them on the same score line.
So we might not even have to rely on the doctor
for a top one, two.
I kind of want to see the doctor have one appearance.
I wasn't aware.
Oh, he does it well.
I've been painfully hit by the doctor in 2019.
We could just get the group standings again.
Yep, that's right.
Updated now.
Yep, wonderful.
Oh wait, of course.
It's four teams on seven and three.
Bevin, Falcons, Parry, Vision and Yandex.
I mean, and to be fair, right,
when you look towards the bottom right,
OG through six,
easy can get a 7th floss and we have 4 teams on that 7th loss mark. Like the fact that our top
2 and our bottom 2 you could argue are in contention outside of Mr. Doctor ruining our day and you
know just applying a master to the situation. I'm liking the fact that we are really going down to
the wire with these best of ones. Yeah the interesting one is what you're talking about there.
Bottom 2 get eliminated in groups. This is the first time we've had it for a blast slam that
teams are eliminating groups. That's a glyph and tundra and then you look just above it. It's
It's extreme in OG, but again, only one win above them.
And you're looking at Spirit, which
is why this is an interesting best of one.
We're moving on to Spirit up against OG now.
Spirit needed to have that gap a little bit higher,
where maybe they don't have to play last chance qualifiers.
They don't have to sit in that bottom mix.
But OG also want to be able to put their foot a little bit
forward, too.
Yeah, I think if you win, I mean, you're not guaranteed safe,
but you are very likely safe, especially
since I expect Glyft to get smacked around by Batboom.
So I think it is a match that matters for both teams.
OG has looked better than they did in the early days,
I will say.
It is not quite as disastrous,
but it is still like a little disaster.
Like it's not a full blown hurricane,
it's like a roof caving in or something.
The thing is, I think both OG and Spirit
are the types of teams that ramp up
and have been ramping up.
We've been seeing that in their results.
And so now it feels like, you know,
if this form of OG was coming up against day one Spirit,
like day one Spirit's form, I would actually favor OG.
But the fact that that boat's ramping up, that's where it still feels like Spirit is slightly leaning towards the favorite state.
I just want to be confused by OG's draft.
I want to look at each other, ha?
And then I'll have some confidence in them, because when they have the Spirit Breaker, Abba, Timbersaw, the clunkiness of what's this meant to function, how's it meant to operate, that's when they seem to play their best.
So I want to be truly confused by their draft, and then also that can then confuse Spirit, also Bandra.
But follow me, Mr. Adam.
Yeah, I was going to say it's all that to add on what he has to do.
Originally, it was a lot of like the wind ranges for the SEA teams, and whilst we haven't
been covering them too heavily on the A stream, looking at what's happening on B, yeah, they're
picking up the drought too.
Drought is flavor of day number four.
Yeah, they didn't win with their drought though, so it may be the flow.
Well, I thought I was not privy to the information.
I did not see that result.
There was a little bit of a PL into the mix as well, which was kind of fun, like the old
squag goat.
But that's the beauty of when like heroes get added into the mix, like there's a doom
so people try Venge.
the draw and PL is historically the counter cause massive illusions getting on top of her
suddenly appears nightfall gets to play that hero so as much as draw is rising in stock
there are some PLs inspectors and some random heroes that maybe teams want to try and you know
push back into the meta as well it's the joy of an evolving meta the dota stunk market is always
always changing always up and down yeah i surely this is as long as you support lina no well
Quinn some stocks always stay down there we go i was really worried you'd give her some
but benefit the doubt or some false hope. I need a little bit of something. Come on guys.
Time may be a flat circle but things can still be outside that circle. Whatever. O.D. enjoy.
I mean I ain't saying they're gonna pick O.D. because they ain't. I tell you that.
We were talking about O.G. being in that like better upwards trajectory. For me it's focused a
lot more making Turn2Tokyo comfortable. It feels like they've now carved out a section
whether it's in the draft or whether it's in the hero pool to enable him. But they've also
you found works well with what they're willing to play play style wise.
Yeah, the draft definitely matters quite a bit, especially when you're
adding someone new to the team.
Um, although I suppose he's not really that new at this point, but he is
still, it is still unusual.
And it's the first tier one event with him on the team.
So there will be those growing pains.
It's just, can you, can you get over it in time?
Right?
You're not quite on death's door, but you are pretty close.
Um, and you're going up against a team that has a lot more experience.
So I think a big factor is just, can you clutch up and just play actual
Chill Dota and not be this nervous sort of collapsing wreck. No, the thing is you don't want to have to clutch up
You just want to show up. You just want to be stable and consistent. That's what I want
These are participation trophies. You got to do more than just show up
I mean right now. I feel like I'd be happy if you're an OG fan for them just showing up because like they haven't been looking too good
I'm throwing fastballs at the plate. We got to hold up because I I feel like for OG right now
They didn't do too well when Trump initially came to the roster with qualifiers. They're here at Blast Slam
They're very, you know, lucky to be at a tier one LAN based on the performances
And I thought like after this they need to go back to the TI qualifiers and then show what they've learned from this pretty despair
Roster shuffle. I'm not expecting them to be some grand team that breaks into the Copenhagen next week
You know winning this entire tournament
I feel like for them it just be good to get a couple good results under their belt because their games haven't been
that consistent. Like I'm not picturing them to be a TI team right now. So it's like they just have to keep learning, you know?
Again, it would be wrong of me to be like, yeah, OG can win this. Like I'd just be lying to everyone.
I mean, they beat LGD and Spare couldn't do that.
Sure, but LGD also aren't winning tournaments. Spare are struggling as well. Like, cool.
I see red.
There's a lot of red for a lot of teams, okay? There's been a lot of losses happening.
But we have to be realistic. Not all teams in a tournament are-
I guess everything we said was correct.
Exactly. And for OG, if they suddenly do this like turn around potential, oh my god they're
doing it, that's the start of an underdog story. But right now it's like they're not
writing the story, they're just kind of like cruising through the groups and like the end
goal seems inevitable, right Quinn?
That's right, Propson.
Thank you very much.
Well, Spirit Lost against Extreme Gaming, Energy 1 against them.
Yeah, but that's a curse matchup.
If we can bring up the group standings again, then every team that Quinn has mentioned,
where are they currently located in that?
Where did I say LGT, that's this?
OG beat them, and Spirit didn't.
Okay, and all the other teams that you were mentioning?
Extreme Gaming?
At the bottom.
No they're not, that's Cliff and Tundra.
At the pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft pfft
Oh
We're really breaking it down, huh?
I mean you could just connect to the server already that'd be really nice. What are they doing?
I have no idea. Check them phones. That's what they would do it. Take them away. Adam fucking
I don't know. That's the only way they could know. These are my kids. Take the phones away or something. They're gonna look at it.
I've been saying that.
You're still in the tournament. It still matters. I'm out here trying to prove to you. Why why why are you recording when we're not on camera guys?
You can save the planet and turn off the cameras when we're showing full screen graphics. Why are we doing?
My favorite is Quinn like doing half the robot doing it. You're like.
Sometimes you just feel it, you know, in the moment. That's right. I mean, next time, that should just be mandatory whenever you break down.
that is. We're gonna break down the group standing there and just like jumps into a room. I think we're breaking down.
We're gonna have to work on that one. All right. It feels as chaotic as most OG drafts have been when I'm trying to circle it back to to the more normal things that are a bit better at that's breaking down
drafts and also analyzing them. So let's just go ahead and jump on into our draft between folks.
I've got enough copium to go around that OG are going to show up in this best of one
that Spirit themselves are the ones that are going to be on the back foot, but maybe that's
That's where they thrive, the most, turning our eyes towards what bands are coming out
here.
Spirit Takeout, the Wind Ranger, that's what we've noticed a lot of the SEA teams, especially
OG, have favoured opening their draft with.
A Coddle is followed up by them, and for OG, they're taking out Lone Druid and Snapfire,
Naspirit add a Beastmaster band to the list.
Relatively...
Sorry, come on.
Stark's standard, that's all I was going to say.
All I care about is if OG's going to jump on the draw or not.
I don't think they should.
after the loss.
No, I said OG even returns to banning it, sorry.
Because Spirit has first pick.
Yes.
Like for Spirit this could just become the, we are just going to keep first picking it
and four teams to talk about.
Well this is more Copium for OG or maybe not depending on Spirit pick it here.
How many games have Spirit won without a draw?
One.
And how many games have they won fully?
Four.
Four.
Just saying.
I'm ridden a bit of a pattern here.
But they can pick draw here.
That's what I'm saying.
You're calling Spirit.
That depends on the spirit. They don't. It's so in for the OG boys.
Pingalir. He's losing.
Yeah, no, it does.
He'll just pick a Zeus while they're at it.
We said this earlier, P-Vision and Spirit are tonight the two teams that know how to play, I think, Pingalir.
The best at the moment in the tournament.
Falcon's a team that used to be the Pingalir team, has fallen off quite heavily with the hero.
I agree with you, if it was any other team.
Yeah, I also,
a puck is a fine response to Pangolier,
but we've seen the Yopahish puck early picked before
and it did not look good.
I'm gonna say the opposite of what now.
I am loving the consistent Copeam right now.
This is really helpful for the, you know,
when the OG viewers are running low,
I think the price is skyrocketed
of Copeam on the global scale.
Maybe one of the co-streamers has contacted Nat in the hope to pump OG Stops.
I'm telling you, OG's doing something you guys are just unaware of.
Yeah, Quinn and I don't lose. We're just winners.
Well, yeah, maybe not.
Lost my fair share.
OG has too.
Primal Band is very good.
I'm actually surprised that OG didn't consider picking it on 9 as we've seen the hero a few times for Spangler.
The grab on the roll is always very good.
And I think the hero's also been showing up a little bit more and has been pretty successful all the times I've seen it.
It's not picked ultra frequently, but when it is picked, it kind of cooks.
I think just stopping Pango from feeling like he can run through fights for free is the main thing.
Be it through supports like clock or tusk with the cogs and the shards.
Even cores that have like, you know, fizzies and all that stuff.
Like we're seeing like the return of Midshaker and then you just mentioned the Primal Beast that they got banned out because of the power.
support a bane, it's not too great for me. I have at least two elements that in a draft and Pango can
feel quite normal. They do ban up the bane though, so again they are respecting you know, Pango wanting
the freedom to the fight. Yeah, I mean if I'm on the Pango team, I think you already want some
follow-up, so you either want something like lines okay, I've been having mixed feelings about that
But you want something else that can start on Puck so you can be follow-up because just starting with Roll is not that easy
so looking at Lion or
Lion or well, this is the thing you're talking about that early that game where they earlier picked a
Yopaj Puck for OG
It was against Yandex where they had the ability to counter mid Puck with the Night Stalker one
I don't really see
Spirit or at least lul a Night Stalker mid player
but they have the luxury now to have a few bends to protect him.
Well, they bend Drow, so if they wanted the knife, they could.
I know, I realized that as I was doing my monologue, they bend Drow.
I mean, Drow's good against Puck. That's a reasonable bend.
It's not awful.
Low isn't a Huska player, is he?
Do I think he is?
He will play it on like 24 and it's not very good.
Yeah, obviously that's the fraud check that Quintote's about to deal with.
No, it's certainly fraudulent, no doubt about that.
Because like the last time they picked Puck, right, the Yandex still needed a mid laner,
and they took away Necrophos and Huska.
So at least in their perspective, they're respecting both Nekor and Husker for the lane against the puck.
At least trying to consider, of course, when teams are banning against out their own heroes, these are often the heroes that they'll pick themselves.
But OG, they go for the Winter Wyvern.
A combo that we have seen, the puck, the Wyvern, is very good at controlling teamfights, but, again, lax damage, you need it elsewhere.
But they just go for the Lyon.
The tried and tested anti-puck hero, Shaman isn't really in the meta at the moment, therefore,
Satch, you take the other head, Sury.
This draft is looking really familiar, guys.
We've seen these heroes a couple of times.
I don't like the Wyvern, though. I think it's- I don't even think it's good against Pangolir.
Um, you hold him for such a short period of time in the role,
and if you ever hold and brace somebody, yeah, they aren't gonna take the damage from Pangolir's spells,
so you can burn their mana like crazy with the Fusal.
And on top of that, if you ever find some Wyvern in the woods, you just kill him,
and Wyvern is not a particularly strong rune fighter against Pangol.
So I think this is just a bad pick straight up.
I mean, people are going to look at Tusk and why pick Tusk when there's like a Winter Wyvern,
a Cold Embrace, even Winter Scourge you can't still save.
But the pacing of Tusk brings to the game, the fight, like Lion Tusk can run around and
put anyone to half HP just through like Tag Team and stuns.
Then they can disengage and of course with Pango and Future Heroes, they are very explosive.
So I feel like that lack of damage OG has right now is going to come into play because
of the, just the supportive in regards to the damage.
It may also not be that easy for OG to pick it here, unless it's a flex, because you've
got Tusk, so you can potentially set up for some really obnoxious safe lane, you can
do the Shadowfiend, you can see you're doing a lot.
When you pick acts like this, Necrophos is definitely on the table.
As Necrophos Tusk, I think will probably obliterate this lane, and it's very good against Wyvern
too.
I know Yatoro does play Necrophos' carry, he played it before, it was cool.
So it's something they're considering potentially.
Is that before it was cool, or before, come on, it was cool?
No, before it was cool.
Yeah, he was playing it when nobody else really was.
Saw the Radiance build, it's kind of the only build, but...
Classic Hips, didn't you, Toro?
I think that would be great here.
I think if they picked up, then OG has big problems.
I mean, going back to the Husker, it's still very much as an option for Spirit.
I know Lars is the 24-pick player, but on A-team, it will still do the same thing.
You don't care about Willow, you just eat the guy who gets cold embraced.
You'll beat the fuck in the lane.
You've already got tempo through your supports to kind of cushion,
maybe not being the best Husker player, because they are so aggressive.
Yep, also definitely very possible.
We'll see though, I know they like to give...
I mean, Yatora is the star of the show, everybody knows that, so...
Whatever he wants, I can say in some ways I envision them picking it here, and then...
Yeah, okay.
When you see Axe, you pick Necropoil, seems to be the current trend people are on, and it's just very good, it's hard to disagree with it, really.
I think the problem for OG is, like, the way that they're drafting is they're presenting too many options to, like, to hit you with the 18 pick.
Like normally you want your drafts to try and threaten the team that is first pick, so they can't utilize this pick position.
But, you know, Puck can get countered based on heroes, Axe can get countered based on heroes, and it kind of puts a lot of pressure on Natsumi, right?
Like you can't lean on Axe to help you in the early game now.
Puck most likely is still going to be, you know, counter at some point, so it kind of, you know, all pressure on him to find the carry.
Of course, Murta is a default ban when you pick Necro.
Yeah, last pick on Spirit, I don't see anything that pops off the page to me in particular.
They did ban the Nightstalkers, not only teep points towards, which definitely could
have been an option for potentially a low-up, but definitely collapse.
I think really they can pick almost anything they want.
I think they want to pick something that's good against Puck and Lane, that's fine.
If you want to pick something for collapse that's just a strong blind here with Pangomade,
also totally reasonable. This one I'm worried about is they open with Puck and now they're
still kind of doing bans that protect the Puck. It feels like it's just a weak opener that hasn't
set yourself up for... That's Puck for you. I mean Puck in general is like Ember went through phases
of being the hero that's like hard to pick open because you have a lot of counters. Puck has
always been the same. Like Sada actually has been banned by OG but like a hero that can continue
to flex between mid and off lane will be very helpful for Spirit. Hence why OG is taking away
the night stalker even though you expect to see it off-lane just having that ability to decide
hmm where do we want to get the most farm from this could be a void spirit game well the hero's
always a bit sus but it's it's not bad this game you probably need to ban faces void if you if you
picked void spirit they're gonna make Luna which leads me to believe it's something else maybe
dawn breaker or something i got left field suggestion hit me with it death prophet for spirit
Offlane and mid, in mid you can just push the tower against the park, you don't really care about it.
You have a tusk anyways that you can technically lane with the DP if you want, you can then put the Lion top.
It keeps your drop emote open, it gives you the Vrushan, the towers, the oomph, you don't care about the supports at all.
You buy BKB, and then you buy 15. Unlucky.
I really tried selling it. Need to shout louder to the bootcamp.
Okay, so is there anything they can respond that owns this?
They ban the draw themselves.
So the night goat pick Phantom Lancer against Doom, but it's a pangolary knackerel, so that
is not an option.
What other options do we have here?
Something melee is generally preferable with a winner Wyvern, but if something range tends
to be better against Doom, so you're a bit of a conundrum there.
If you arrange, then only Axel is your melee hero that kind of also wants to counter-initiate or at least initiate from smokes.
So then you have no natural body to kind of walk around the front.
Yeah, I think you need something that can somehow win lane and play aggressive that can join fights because if there's just one axe,
yeah, it is a problem because he's getting dunked on in lane, even though he wants to be doing the one doing the dunking usually.
And I think like the whole Venge counter that we're saying to do is like, it's way too slow in this game.
It's like, we know Axel is in the lane, we know the amount of gold Avenge carry needs, it doesn't like obliterate the lane, it kind of just like nicely farms it.
So I wouldn't even want to see like the tournament meta bleed into that pick as well, like the value of Necrophos in this game is so high that like the carry needs to not only answer the doom in lane but also needs to try and fix the Necrophos problem that's happening elsewhere on the map.
And can't be greedy which is most of what you're describing right because even an out that's still in the pool
It's like well, it's not going to be active early and it's
Like to be great. Okay, so they are gonna go for the bench. Yeah
again, it's like I
Don't mind it for the doom, but I'm just really worried that
You're not gonna get the same outcome as other bench games because of the disparity of other lanes
Sure, you get like an eventual like man to act timing and you don't care about doom and then you can maybe kill other heroes, but
It just feels a little awkward.
Like, Puck-Ax aren't the most, like, time-making early-game heroes.
They kind of want to complement other heroes.
So there's this, like, kind of question, like,
who in OG is going to step up and say,
I will command the early game so that we can get into the game?
But you can see that in the spirit very easily.
It's like, Necrophoslaning, it's his supports,
it's Lyle with his rotations.
But for OG, it's kind of missing that extra hero
to be the glue to that kind of early game.
Yeah, I don't know if there was any pick
they really fixed Oji draft here. I think they were kind of at a tough spot and I think this is
maybe about as good as they could do. I don't think it's a horrendous pick considering the situation
there. Let's go Oji! Woo! Great pick! The situation they were in is big time doodoo, so I think the
Wyvern was kind of a misstep. I do think, I mean it's quite a good puck game if you get two items
and you get to a point where you can start scaling. The question is can you make it there? I don't
really think so. But it's not impossible if maybe Spirit throws some fight and you get
a gold lead going back the other way. There's something there even though I think Spirit's
like heavily favored.
Yeah, I mean outside of the early game tempo I'm expecting to see from Spirit. There are
kind of fun layers to OG's fight, right? You've got the puck coil into a vengewap snap break.
So if there is a big gold lead and Necro grows up to high ground, you're going to be
cool and stunned by the tier fours, then get bodied by an axe. Like there is comeback
potential by OG is just so scary the early game spirit.
All I'm holding on to is before we even got into the draft one thing you both agreed on
is that you wanted to see a draft from OG that made you scratch your head because that's when
they thrive it feels like this draft fits exactly that and so there's still hope for the OG fans
out there that they make it away from that bottom three bottom four sort of area but it all starts
with a good landing phase against spirit.
carry this game against spirit do you still like it or do you see a rough
road ahead for OG so I'll list the positives and negatives that I see at
least as maybe first we'll wait till he perhaps gets gone on here he actually is
gonna be okay so positives versus the doom barrier etc. height you know you
reduce armor you have this other positive they have puck on their lineup so if
they have the coil swap play that we never see anymore nowadays because no one
plays these heroes. Problems for me is versus Necro and Pango a lot here. I just
feel like he's not gonna have the damage that he wants versus Necro in
particular and even if he gets to the point where he has agonims, Pango can
just chain kill you, chain lock you down essentially right afterwards anyway. So
yeah I'm not sure. We'll have to see if it ends up working out for him. Lanes are
gonna be really important in particular and let's see if they can do well in the
lanes. I don't know, just it was a couple things that Moji drafted bothered me.
uh, leaving it.
They picked the axe into the tusk,
and they left Necro.
It's a big concern for me,
because it feels like that's two of the hardest counters in the game versus an axe.
The tusk just forever, and for all days of time, and now the Necro's so popular.
But we'll have to see how they do it in terms of the planes.
Playing sit-up.
I'm gonna have two of them down, bottom trying to see if they can kill Toronto.
He's going to have to live the old axe versus necro life a few times.
And they have a willow, another hero that we don't really see played that often, so
we'll see how much he can help Toronto Tokyo.
I think a lot of this game is going to be a roll of how the puck is able to do it, Yopaj
in particular, so we're going to have to see.
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of bless them
before that bench came out for
you know what was sort of vibes that i was used up was given
but what did what do you think that they're looking to do this game
how does this line up
defined their approach
a lot of it is playing around the pocket i guess i honestly don't know and i
really don't like the draft
i'm going to be a bit of a cater every time you ask me right now
This Wyvern pick, I also didn't really like it in the position that it was. I feel like what I like Wyvern, it's like
You can play very strong around the curse in particular as well as Cold Embrace
This just feels like I don't know what to do when the curse is going to be that effective either versus the enemy draft
So there's a few things that I really didn't like and I hate Willow right now. I think the C.R.O.S.
Really?
Yeah, well, what's up with Willow?
What's the best thing that others have?
Your bad limb is I feel like bad limb is super useful. I don't know your your terrorized combos are very nice
But you have to be so proficient on this hero in order to actually put the pressure on early
It's oral let's not get the battle hunger off there. It's like a fair bit of extra damage
Okay, oh
Do you try and get collapsed but not quite enough between them and look up it was not me instead
This is a lane that's designed to win, the Venge and the Wyvern overall, but they don't dominate the lane though, that's a big concern for me as well too, versus this Doom.
Right now doing very good versus Collapse, keeping him low, but he will be able to get the Lotus, not be easily able to reset.
Mid lane, we did just see this one, pretty much equivalent exchange from the two players, but we did see one have a clear advantage in the game, it was the puck.
was the puck. So let's see if Yopash can do similar, because for me, that's a lot of what
this draft is designed around, is Yopash being kind of the actual carry while the vengeance
this distraction pseudo carry. Okay, I'm in the shards, thorough closing in. Toronto, Tokyo,
it'll be alright. But again, just being forced to play on the HP, we'll be able to keep the
creep wave. I mean, shards are gonna be back for about seven seconds.
Collapsing. Oh, they lose that soon, though.
Trying to take your left to TP away as well, goes back to base.
Second kill.
Which, that's gonna be gone. No saving scams.
So, I mean, you were saying with this lane, you wanted to see them have the advantage with this Venge Wyvern.
They've just gone and both died for.
Yeah, like, that can't happen in this lane. It's designed to do well versus this bit of a weaker lane that Spirit has,
And now we're gonna keep up a kill in Rue.
Got stick charges to work with here.
It's gonna be a bit of time the young patch will chase for this.
Might even get to deny.
All the neutrals? Oh, we will as well.
Denied to the neutrals.
Wasted so much time of them there.
Chased the axe as well to Toronto, Tokyo.
We'll be able to get the reset under the tower.
It's not a very hard game for the axe in particular,
as we will see later on.
Another courier though, Yataro will lose his boots.
is the one that I saw from them, but they did have this Timbersaw that they got to thrive on,
trying to totally just became an unkillable beast overall, but for me it's a lot on Yopash.
I felt like he's been just the crucial one if he has a good game, if he did it would be pretty
explosive. They can have a good time. And it's set up for success in this game across the board
mostly. The thing he does of course have to watch out for is the lion and some of the saves that
can come in. So let's see what he can do. I wouldn't say the easiest puck game, but looking
to set them up for success because they do have like the swap to protect them, cold embrace,
a couple other things in particular and they do have those two combos we were mentioning,
the bench swapped plus to terrorize with the coil. Laurel pushing the issue forward here.
And not a lot really that he's scared of, knows that there's
not really many sub-TP rotations that could come in from other G that can punish him.
We'll be able to get this one as well too.
So Pano is also talking about the contests of the power runes here, Will always quite
good at doing it.
Wyvern is not.
Wyvern actually doesn't really help too much at all to get that one, while the two supports
on the side of Spirit, two of the better ones to at least contest around that rune.
So Lara will be able to get that one and with this Invis might look to go for that wisdom
still that we do see a lot of pangos and monkey things go for but did not skill ulti does have the
three three bills i know that someone's hunting in the trees it's actually placed
now how many are you bringing over
see peace out there should just be enough they bring wiper too okay the only way
it's coming over to try and keep this seven minute wisdom in their favor dreamcalls drop down
Yatora's able to step up.
Might not be as easy as if they hoped for to fight into this OG.
The Nekropos pretty strong here with the level 3 death pulse.
They have Tokyo as well too. Perhaps this Wyvern rotation was enough with the 4.
They're bringing in a 5th.
They're bringing the 5th.
They're bringing the whole team here to try and get them off the wisdom.
And looking for Lull and Swatchbuckler with the high ground that dealt retreat.
You know they see the 5 of them turn up, they're like, you know what, okay, you can have the wisdom.
Yatora won't be able to escape, but they do. They keep the wisdom safe. They're able to kill Tarrie.
It does just take the whole team coming over here seven minutes in.
You'll have to sacrifice a bit there, right?
Your pies will probably be the one that get turned the most out of all this rotation,
but this is what you want to see, Moji. It's early aggression.
You don't want to see them really sit back and farm at all in this draft.
I want to see Natsumi be super active on this bench.
I'm not going to give themselves another. I'll give it a go as well.
Double kill.
And Yatora will come back.
I mean, if they could dive and kill him off, that'd be huge.
He's got back up.
If he could come to the landing of the magic missile,
he could go straight off,
not least here, ready to help out.
And Yatora's got the six, turns with the scythe.
Takes out Toronto, Tokyo.
Maybe getting a little tour ahead of themselves there,
OGC, the Necrophos,
keeping in and feeling that they could try for him,
as they've ended up giving away a scythe kill.
And maybe more,
because the chase down's going to be here from not me, Yatora and Rue.
Scan, court and brace only will buy him a little bit of time.
You have to be careful.
It looks tempting right diving the necrophos and go horribly wrong
It can and it's under when he's hitting six he clears out the creep when he also he does have ghost round
We see some of these necros skip it and I know me and you absolutely hate when they skip it
Maybe not you but I hate when they skip it. You're totally in Quinn as well
It was no fun if you skip the ghost round. He's like, what are you doing?
Like this I hate when I see this 302 build on necrophos you get point five decay or you get a insane heal amplification
Yeah, thank God that he does go for the skill there survives turns gets the kills
I don't think the same thing for OG though is play very aggressive do not slow pace the game down
You do not want to play a farm game versus this doom pangor necro try for
And they're gonna keep things like this now
No, we're not so many opting to farm the bottom side of the map and Toronto Tokyo you see a Tokyo farm the top
I know this other thing is back over. I think we'll just go for kills, right? Oh
You know keep both down here
I thought they'd at least, I thought they'd come bring the puck down and go for a kill if the Necro shows
just with the tricorps, but looks like they will reset positioning.
Cause I just don't want to see them play farm, I just want them to sit back and farm.
I want them to be active in this game.
Cause they do have very good strength just innately from their abilities early on.
They do do a lot of damage.
Venge, Puck, especially in this early game.
Let's see if he can get Doom off and he will.
just walks up, drops the Doom onto Natsumi, Gem's going to be able to provide a little bit of heals with the cold embrace, they have to dream Coil on top of it all, so whilst they will lose Natsumi, they do manage to take out collapse and light through it.
I deny again.
I deny again.
Another deny.
He knows how to work with these neutrals there.
But they're committed with a lot of heroes.
And that was the doom use.
We're not seeing OG, they're not missing a beat.
If they see a chance to get some action going,
even when it's Spirit bringing it to them,
they're turning up and they're fighting back.
Bringing forward, though.
Sometimes they get a bit of over-commitment.
You see Spirit, they don't overreact either.
They start hitting the mid tower out of it,
I'm glad they're making the moves, but still, there's gonna be a little less overreaction right here.
Not too late.
Back in the lane.
And the good trophy in the first supports.
Yeah, look at the swap.
Back into the teams, lay down the brown balls.
Collapse will be able to dodge the brown balls.
The first crown will still hit, and they will manage to find him once again as soon as he's back in the lane, so...
Good kill here for OGs, starting to free up the series to map for Natsumi.
Off the mark with the stun there would have been a kill on to this bench, we'll be able to disengage.
Keep the two supports at the bench, they're such pretty strong when they do have these three together.
Angle connecting though Laurel, coming from the side.
More... Thames.
It's a good dreamcaller again, bring out Pyke.
If we can open them up, he just turns with a finger burst through 10s.
They will lose root and likely knock me as well.
Swaps there, gets them back in a range.
OG, it's some good fighting from OG in this early game.
Very solid rotation this time from Yopaz with the two supports around the bench.
Laurel still doesn't have the point in rolling Thunder,
so doesn't want to commit into the fight to go for 4-4 Greed build.
Good punishing coming up from OG and like how active they're playing
and it gives space to Toronto Tokyo to get this farm
That we've seen this now is the build when you're playing versus necrophos you have to go for the dominator have seen some vessels
Maybe something he'll think about this game, but doesn't look like he is at the moment here
How's your toros timing it has been slowed down a little here
It's not the fastest time not you see on the necrophos by any means not gonna be crazy
But it's still not bad obviously relative to the game is the top
Not quite in the rounds of these sort of 10 11 minute radiances that we've seen quite a few times
times, a bit of a slower start. But even so, if he does get the kind of the lead growing
as this Necrophos, how are sort of OG's options with this lineup dealing with a stats Necrophos
down the line?
They have combos, as mentioned with the puck, that they can use, but there is a save that
can come in from the tusk. So it's not the best, but it's not the worst, I would say.
My issue really is that they just don't have a long-distance magical damage thing besides
the puck in particular.
That's the problem with me with Willow a lot of times, is Bedlam feels very difficult
to use.
If he wants to, and he can find opportunities where the Necro's isolated, you can use Bedlam,
but in a lot of fights, if you run in Bedlaming on top of a Necro, you're going to die.
That's my time as a finger back online in a couple of seconds not me
Just to get the kill
Not soon it will be the big catch if they can get the set up these two will
They see him
Between the finger and the rolling thunder
Oh he's super dead right on top of him
Seems to sense it
Starts to back off
will not quite be in time to get him away. Two stacks for Nami already up to that.
Do him also collapse with the find the solo kill on the side here on the
Wyvern. And also Lyle might still be able to get something on top of this with
the rolling thunder as he's caught Tim's and a pretty nice Randall. Can you get a
couple more bounces? He can. He's got the job done on his eyes. Big kills. Three
quick easy sequences while Yatoro sits back and finishes up the Radiance. Every time the
moment's slowed down for Oji and they're not responding to the moves, definitely hurts them.
I want to see them reacting to these moves from a Spirit very quickly here. I don't know if this
one was very difficult to do so because of the position before it. Definitely see Yopah's farm
a little more here. So yeah, I think a Spirit has been the only team I've seen do this with Doom,
I want to say, and I think we've casted out three or four of them. They love the shard
And if you sort of figured out
Like which specific creeps this is for that they they really favorite. Oh, that's one be on the tp here. This is what for him
Something to the brambles get him. But yeah, what what specific creep I think they have in mind when it comes to getting this
increase buff of its spells. The two that I've seen, it's the Black Dragon
since you can eat ancients as well, but it's also just you have two devour charges.
So I think they just like having the extra farm capability from it as well too.
But the dragon is at least for me the one that I've loved the most because you get
the cleave and then you can also hide in tree lines and just nuke waves with this
the aoe fireball which does a lot of damage to gets the spell lab as well
from the shard. But there's a lot of good ancients and he does have stacks
already formed so it can pick and choose which one he wants to go for here there's
arguments for many of them the time warp is also fantastic even though you don't
benefit from a you know an actual spell your team just gets so much of the
cooldown reduction see which one he hopes for a collapse she's usually the dragon
for that go for the dragon because you have to leave so it's like a century it's
like a Midas essentially in a way right because you get the second charge as well
and you can just farm super fast, so I like it.
Bottom.
What's the set up on a Rue? Rue has got backup and he's also got a snowball.
They have to use the winces curse to hold back the rolling thunder for now.
Can they do anything off the back of it?
So, it's okay, let's try and step back in.
They get the coil on a Rue and onto La.
Rue, Rue gets finished off, but the finger in the side combo comes down onto Natsumi.
I mean, they'll lose their bench.
They're going to lose Tim's on top of that as OG, full retreat.
They try and set something up, catch the curse,
and they call it, doesn't work out.
Hex onto scam.
Not me, Wester punches, ready to get another stack.
Up to four now, hey, on the lion.
I mean, and I guess this is sort of the kind of the sort
of the clumsiness that can happen with the kind of team
fight from OG, right?
Probably what you were saying in the draft.
There are a lot of ways to sort of set up, but it's sort of set up into set up and no
sort of clean.
We'll catch them in this combo and then blow them up.
My worry is that who's providing damage, right?
It really is.
Yes, early you have double nuked combos from your natural spells, the stun from the vans,
the pot combos, the spell from the wyvern, but now when you're getting to the point of
like this mid or more middle game, your spells start to fall off pretty hard pretty quickly
here and you have to actually hit them quite perfectly versus these pretty tanky heroes.
Doom and Nekka, they're going to look for collapse.
What was that?
Bedlam.
Trying to take out A's end with a core.
They'll get the dude.
That's what Bedlam's good.
If you can isolate them on the side.
But in an actual big teamfight,
Bedlam is very unusable in a lot of situations.
But that's a good one.
Get your plush involved here.
And yeah, I'm wondering when curse is going to be
super effective in generalize.
Natsumi, swap in mid.
Good setup.
Got plush.
Give it a follow-up kill. Yo, Pige. He's the one to watch. He's the one that I was saying that at least for me
Has to pop off in this game
304 for him at the moment Lincoln which played already done
Bottom
We'll get that farm
Come by again another cat finger in the side always feels good
Drop that amount of burst onto some poor and suspecting fella the scaling
Oh man, not me is actually getting a lot of stacks in this. This might be the most I've seen at 18 minutes in a pro game here so far
Time to queue up the echo saver
Bottom through
Not sure how much they want to commit after this task. He's got snowball. I'll say that. Do you want to take care of that?
I think they're watching. Maybe after the rolling thunder they can try and dive back in.
Yopash? Finds out through.
And damage. Yopash is getting the ball rolling here.
The rest of his team is struggling.
He's finding some good pickups here to enable himself. My worry, Natsumi, he is not getting
a whole lot of anything. Every single time he is getting comboed up here. Halfway toward
the agonim so it won't matter as much when he has that. Yopash being active, quickly from not me.
Yeah, I mean they've got to put everything into each phase because you should save.
If Natsumi's not getting the farm, they're just not going to have that sort of scaling
damage output. And sure, Yopash can really step it up later with some of the talents and such
and the potential for late game putt, but there will be a bit of a period where that kind of
growth of damage will slow down for him and the expectation is there on sort of Nazumi's
decorative to fill that gap and he's just not got the farm at the moment that looks like he's
going to be able to do that. And revenge overall, like, there's not full experiences like Prowler
or anything in the nowadays thing is the way to start in here.
It's not the focus getting done on by Yotaro.
He's a curse.
Oh, the donk, the maths wasn't done.
It wasn't enough to kill Rue.
And in fact, Rue's just going to live.
In my chance to buy precious the creep gets the battle,
I'm going off.
Not a single punch.
Oh, no.
Get that big catch, not me.
Comes in again, finger in a scythe.
They're just farming up the stacks and treat this game.
And so are them, Yotaro, and not me.
Infinite scaling.
And overall I was mentioning this thing for Venge, I feel like this hero, it's good when you're playing ahead.
This hero when you're playing behind, yeah you're gonna die and come back,
and then you're just gonna die again, very likely if you do start to fall too far behind as well.
And for Collapse, he probably can also just change the priority of who he goes with Dooms.
And what I've seen as well is they just get agonized as like the third or fourth item on these Dooms versus the Venge,
where you're just never dooming him, you're playing about dooming yourself and playing with that.
Scan.
Oh.
Oh, the juice. Oh, yeah. Oh, I've got him in the trees. Nine K lead. It's accelerating
pretty fast, heroine. Yeah, you're sort of really smashing the time now. Didn't have
there the sort of the quickest. I still a great start. Obviously we're comparing into
some of the other Necrophos timings that we've seen in some of the more ridiculous games.
But now at this point, he's pretty much back on track with some of the more farm neck
Necrophos is that we've had
And he's going for
He's going for big items too. It's not like he's going to concentrate on wraps, mid game stuff
He's like, I'm going hard, Shiva's agonims, going the three biggest timings potentially here for the necrophos
And it's gonna come really quick. So I OG
They got to start winning some fights in this mid game around the sandjacks
So this game is going to quickly snowball out of control. It already is starting to
If Natsumi doesn't get involved, get some big kills around this
don't know where they progress from here as we said a lot of it on Yopah's the
pressure as the game goes later but not an easy puck game so many different
tables I mean she said now that they have the eggs and the dragon lance
surely we've got to see some sort of smoke from OG and try and go for that
coil in SWAT play
looks like it for the moment they're not they're not looking for that play
It's that. Probably you have to know where Rue is too, right?
Like, even if you get this setup, you have to know where this Tust is, you can save any aggression.
There's in super aggressive here with the setup. The rolling gun is there to follow up on this.
Kersh comes down, but it does not matter. They're finally jumping and finishing off the off,
but it took so much to kill the lion as the damage has already been done.
Natsumi will use the swap to try and get Yopash back to safety as he's getting chased down by both Titora and Lall.
Let's see if they can get back to the safety at the high ground here, and they will be okay at least the three of them backing away.
But again, losing two heroes.
It's just awkward to set up for these type of plays as well too. It's like they have a curse, and they have follow-up, and then they have maybe another, but the damage just really, truly isn't there at this point.
And there's the save too. Rill always is available to build the gopher, these snowball plays that he needs to, but they haven't even had to.
They're just going for aggression. Nami just blinks in and fingers super super confidently
And there's the heart 23 minutes in it's gonna be so difficult to bring Yatoro down
I
I feel like how they're picking this axe into task when necro is still in the port. This is almost illegal
Yeah, I feel like necro must have won most of the games right where we're seeing necro versus axe
Let me take a look at all of it for you.
It's been pretty, pretty dominant.
And just picture the fact that it gives this lane that the Necro is going to get the free farming.
The Necro is going to get the free farm.
And the thing is as well, Axe.
Axe is the design of a hero. He likes to have kill threat a lot of times in lane.
It makes you deviate from build and then also you're healing your allies.
I always like to point this out to is I really like this 15th talent on Necrol
I some people talk about the debate of it between the ghost red slow and the heel
I love having the heel because it's about your team as well, too
You're providing a lot of extra healing when you have this deathful skill with your shard as well, too at the 15th
I'll so negates a lot of these kill for it that maybe you'd expect to have
Rue was immediately ready for that one blinks away and now she's hurt there in a collapse back onto oji
Tokyo Tokyo can you get swapped out to the side not soon be bailing him out of
this collapse your past he's found him with the team
your past is gone scammed to fall the side comes in on the Toronto Tokyo that
was them coming out with the smoke but they were so quick with the reaction
they're rude immediately blinking away dodging the call they got the play yeah
that's that's yeah they didn't get anything not even close and collapse
As you said, doesn't need that these like bench has eggs who cares about this bench just dooms
The puck the one that's actually the threat the vengeance no longer a threat since they stomped or super hard inside this landing face in the early game
Target priority spirit when they're behind they know how to take fights in a really nice executed way when they're ahead
It's even more simplistic
Getting into the very difficult area the game now for a G
You've tried to make these smoke plays, and they're not working out, you know, when you sort of had that sequence of events, what sort of, what's the cause of it to be made?
Is someone sort of saying, hey, let me just get this next pick up, then we can try again?
I don't think you do that. I think you smoke again. I'm not even kidding.
You think you just go again?
I think if you, I think if you sit back, and you go, I mean, maybe that's when we get specialist pressure.
There's a small chief item, but I think if you just slow down and don't go again when some of these cooldowns are used, spirits just going to sit back,
sit back, wait for doom, wait for reaper, wait for finger, and then go. So I think for OG,
you have to make an aggressive move, but it doesn't look like they really want to, and I don't
know if they can with the positioning of the lane right now, so Spirit probably will just get
all the cooldowns back up and look for that next fight again, and OG is just falling so far behind.
Damage just really isn't there at this point.
I like that. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, you you're totally
takes all the talents that I like and the 25 when I like the
death was cool about as well too. That looks nice. So, make
your whole team super tanky around you. Oh, not me. You're
posh.
The trees. Duma is back. Oh, everything's back up for spirit.
Oh, she's gotta run. Gotta disengage somehow here. And they will.
It just doesn't feel great for them to hit the creeps. Spirit.
Gem now for Yatoro, BKB on your collapse. Okay, BKB's out for Tokyo, but there's no blade mail.
It sucks to not have it on this hero. I even seen it versus the Necrophos, they still buy it sometimes.
And you like this for Yatoro as well, getting the Lotus as part of his build up?
Yeah, good luck swapping him
Can't get swapped into the base just notice a body. Yeah, that's pretty much the counter. I think it's the only way you die
Yeah, yeah, the only way you're going to die
Pulled into the base with some unexpected swap coil break and they changed on him now. He'll just get swapped in position
And then there's brambles right other clear ones that you can see right versus the willow
You're gonna be able to remove some of these guys. I would say it's about that and collapse finds the catch
That's fast!
Beautiful job from Collapsed.
I mean, just getting the chance to get these dunes off onto a puck.
It's not easy, but he's making it look easy.
Sure is. Just Blank hits him once, gets the follow-up.
Yotaro, I think this might be the highest Reaper stacks I've seen in 27 minutes.
Almost every single one has been successful.
The stacks are going to be pretty crazy.
Which means that Axe, once he gets it, that much more potent
since he has a heart as well too on top of having this 15 extra regen.
They're making it look pretty easy now at this point. Oh gee hard to see where they really progress from here
And that's who me might just get gone on a minute. They're reconsidering
Hey, I
Wonder who else and maybe someone can look for me
I I'll check after this game as well too is if any other teams are doing this with the doom
Or they go to shard and they look for the dragon because I want to say it's only spirit that I've seen do this
Because they did it even when I saw them play safe lane. He didn't find a black dragon in the creep a black dragon creep in that game
But you can see the design of it you farm super fast because you have a built-in battle fury
You can use the fire breath or the fireball to farm waves
It was very nice for the center
From OG
Desperation smoke. Let's see what they can find.
I think some of the movement obviously was seen by that ward.
Spirit knows that this is coming. And Spirit, they're just ready to jump at them first.
They come in with the rolling thunder.
Thames will get away with the shadow round for now.
Yatora's going to try and chase him out.
As Nostra beside Nasumi, getting dealt with by Collab.
The Coding Brace comes up and he's just burning through the Coding Brace.
He's just going to die doing it.
Now, they will kill off Rube, but Yatora finds the side down on a scam.
They've got a run here, Toronto Tokyo trying to escape with the last few seconds of the BKB.
He'll live.
The three dead.
Freightwave coming in, they can look for the tier two tower spirit, and they only lose Rube.
No fight to be had. The Doom isn't even needed to be used.
He just burned him inside that fireball.
It's so much get so much DPS with the part of his brand plus the spell amp it actually just melting him in the cold embrace
How much did it do?
For as a fair bit
Not too shabby whatsoever so maybe another extra element because he's playing versus cold embrace wanted this extra bit right little extra things
He's that's why I'm ready to go again because he's got the doom back up
I thought it's so scary to show on lanes even if you go back as we've seen collapse will jump you even as the pot
Oh gee bad, it's quite some difficulties in this tournament, but this feels like one of the hardest ones to...
It just doesn't feel like they have a recovery plan, they're at the plan B.
The plan A was be very aggressive, get ahead and they never, they never hit the plan A.
Flaps on the way over.
Flaps out.
Kill him, he's gonna go for it, put the Doom and the BKB, he knows that nobody's gonna be able to stop him.
Swap the barrier!
It's not enough at this point the damage still will bring down Toronto, Tokyo another kill for collapse
There was every single doing this game getting him a kill
And they're smoked up for the next graph your posh instant has a on this
That's enough
What's wrong this time
You tore up almost he he was considered he almost site the
I think you know what screw it like
Ags timing now come it
So at 50% of the region he's at 134 that's gonna be taken pretty hard
High ground defense probably the only thing that I would say for OG to look for outside
fights feel absolutely impossible at this point, so try to get these swap plays.
ground first we'll be coming soon oh man take it here by spirit you even taste
the ages actually I guess you still give us your story even though he's never
gonna die well maybe do you not give it to your Torah because he's never gonna
die who's hitting the building more probably your Torah yeah I think
because the dollars I want to hit building right I'm just thinking about
who hits the tower so I think your Torah's gonna be a little bit far to the front
I don't know what he's checking for there maybe it's a wisdom is still there
Oh
collapse they have to run from him they have like three heroes I'm gonna do I
can't away yeah dooms gonna be back up in five seconds on collapse oh yo
patch careful it's there now can he find him he's out with the TP oh patch
you live this time and now that he's got so this is that they've seen them do is
now that when you have shiva's that's when you switch the creep you get the
tendrils because the aoe becomes pretty massive and your team can benefit from
having these aura if you are inside of the water as well too which is pretty nice
yeah that's pretty essence it's a big son to have yeah having this at this point
as you say with the buff ups of the aoe's the shard and the shiva's it's
Just the fact that it's somewhat like a 20 second cooldown, 70 mana, suit pretty value.
20. 15 second cooldown.
15? Okay, he didn't have the ult too. Now he's got the ult, 15 seconds down.
Got him.
So even better, 15 second cooldown for this mini ravage.
It's really good. Yeah, it's really, really good.
If you do fight in the river, which one you're at in advance, it's you're not fighting that much in the river.
But when you're fighting inside the jungle areas, you will be able to benefit from that damage bonus as well.
Tim's just nice. He's just burning. He's just but look at him. He's just burning. He's just burning
He's just slowly okay the bad one
You can start him again. Oh, he didn't get oh nice. He gets him anyway. Oh, just bullying Tim's in the trees that I collapsed
Bottom tower
Next target. Oh gee
I think we're gonna back up and defend it from where it looks a bit of a position
Oh
He didn't walk up he didn't get a finger stack though
He was at five or six stacks at the 18 minute mark now
He's still up to six stacks because he doesn't have the rule and right off
If you get five stacks before 20 minutes, then the team will understand if Bayako Saber
Trust me, he's a sensible lab. Lab double-dram it also for him. He's got two eyes
Getting on the shadow blade plus glimmer. I just gave it
Done and dusted. Oh gee. Can they mount one final defensive move when the puck responds or collapse?
Oh, we nearly found Toronto Tokyo
The map is not a safe place to go.
Because the laps is easy, he will find you.
Okay, Owen, let's see. They've got to coil him, swap it, get him under bedlam, and then he probably still doesn't die, but they've got to do it.
Well, he's got ages.
But they've got to do it anyway to show it off.
Because they haven't done the swap coil play yet.
No, we haven't seen a tool yet.
Or the Coil Terrorize play. Maybe once I saw that one.
Have we even seen a Terrorize?
Maybe we haven't.
I feel like I've not seen a Terrorize.
I think we saw one bottom side, right?
Maybe.
Oh, Spirit smoked up. Looking to close it out. OG.
It's coming.
And now Sumi trying to to kick this fight, the cool doesn't really get much collapse,
he's here.
Rowling Thunder continues to knock down that Sumi, not me..
in with the control and the finger burst onto words and the curse comes out but they don't
care at all to collapse Sumi to early getting first.
Doing no damage to one another.
Sights there.
and they have had enough G. G's
called spirit. Take the game
here against O. G. Said at the
start, it was sort of hard to
see the direction they wanted to
go with this draft and in the
way it played out. Unfortunately
for O. G. It did go as
anticipated and spirit having a
pretty easy one again here for
they look very, very good and
they hit every single time. Yeah,
It's definitely like a draft thing, but also a pretty big play thing to OG, just all over the place, trying to make these moves happen and just not really getting big connections.
We said a lot of this game riding on the OPAS, which is if he dies once and the game is completely over and this venture out is designed, you have to kind of win your lane and snowball from there.
They lost their lane.
They did a tough one, unfortunately, again for OG and another win in the bag here for Team Spirit.
It is great news to Spirit and all the Spirit fans out there because they're putting themselves in a position where they're not really going to have to fight too hard to make it here in Copenhagen.
It was looking so tough for them at the start of group stage, but again, the occasion from their drops and their playstyle clean, it's really coming together at the tail and now the best of ones.
It was a very solid game up the bottom. I don't think anybody really messed up too much
It was a pretty clean game a great draft or like they significantly out draft you and then just kind of
Took it walk into the finish line
Yeah, I mean this is complete cruise control for spirit like already just looking at clips look at the network
Right you see the necroforce and the pine blit up top every clip
We show you probably in this package will just be that trajectory of spirit
Just scaling getting kills doing what they want. Of course ending game 29 kills to 13
It's just like I don't know for me. It's like if in the draft for an eye looking at these heroes and OG going
You're probably gonna get punished. It's not looking too good. I
Feel like that's not where you want to be against the team experience
You want it could be kind of like even on the draft showcase some early game and product advantage
It's like don't give them a freebie. I know you gave them a complete freebie in the draft
Yeah, I totally agree and I feel like
teams
That are on the lower end of the spectrum like an OG or a glyph one of things that frustrates me the most about it is that
You're you're torching your own chances by picking stuff that no one else is picking like you are clearly not as good as some of the
Other teams yet. You're still choosing to believe your own ideas instead of just saying hey, there's a meta here
Let's follow the meta and he's got a solid draft and get into the game and like learn how to play Dota first
And then we can deviate from the norm later
You pick this win arrive and you set your own draft on fire before anything even gets started and it's undercoverable from there
But why that's the thing though like baby have been utilized women to buy them in the same pick position as Od just demonstrated
But that's also more of a round if they have stronger lane setups
They've got you know a mid lane that can go toe-for-toe like they're not losing lanes and hoping things can go well, right?
So it's like oh gee are looking at the tournament. They're copying other teams
In trying to store their meta and it's not playing very well
It's like it is such a weird position for a team to be in I just feel like when you look at what Wyvern has been bad against though
And it's not just in this tournament
But what feels like every time you get into a game of Dota if you are playing Wyvern is it feels bad to come up against a
Doom spirit get the last pick it right if you think about it a target gets doomed you as a support
You have nothing to do to save the most of the time people can't right but even on top of that if he goes for an
Ag's it still feels bad
There's not enough heal to go through the scorched earth of doom when he gets a good start either like there's this one
Hero that feels as a support. You've completely crumbled you can't aid anyone in your team at all
Yeah, it's it's bad. There's I think it's honestly an irredeemable pick
Maybe a much better team can make it look fine because they can make up for the the issues elsewhere
Like they said through leaning or something like this
But yeah, I think it's just it's just a silly way to keep losing games by just by just screwing yourself a draft
And just having difficult ways to play the game. I think it is one of the
I don't know the classic issues you see teams is they are just not very good at drafting. I
I have nothing else to say like I'm literally looking at a draft if my spirit just looked better and
The more we talk it just more will look towards og just getting some flame
And I think they've they've got to the point where they know that they're not very good right now
I don't think they need us to keep reminding them because they're probably talking about it right now
It's like what have they I don't know. It's just yeah, let's just ignore visual representation of all the og fans out there right now listening to you
Anyway
No no no no, instead of reminding everyone that there is a B stream happening and there was a little bit of fun
Something more enjoyable that we're gonna look at that happened over there in bad best of fun
No, it's it doesn't have all they're going through the twin gate
I would say that was the general reaction of us in the green room as well.
That is true. Absolute cinema. I mean that like with techies in the game but
a rubic in the game to steal it. The thing is though Puck went through the
first and BGM he had 0.3 seconds to tell his team not to follow him so BGM let
his team die in that 0.3 seconds quickly going you know obviously there's no way
that's gonna happen. He could have done anything but that's such a good moment.
Yeah and I really there's something extra special to show that as well so I'm working on the heat map here to look towards what has been happening here.
Okay, so they're grouping up, they're walking together and naturally in Dota, right, you want to pay on the side of the map, you want to of course walk to 10.
Walk straight from mid all the way down from 5.
And the heat magic disappears, it's still continuing, but where are they? They're back in the family. There they are.
That was good, that was good, because the thing is it wasn't like Glyph is the team with Techies. That was a rubic.
Yep, exactly.
Dealing from Techies, placing these mines in a row, so you're like, surely this isn't going to happen to us. Where are the Techies team?
Oh, that's amazing. Um, hopefully Glyph can win that game because I think as we're walking out here, Tundra did have like a 9,000 gold lead, so for the sake of Glyph and that clip, also beating Tundra would be the icing on the cake, but it kind of, uh, the game slipped away from a little bit after the hype of that.
I mean, to be fair, how can you keep your team comes in check when you just like get a triple kill on a techie's mind? Like, there's no way to-
Yeah, I wouldn't have the replay of it.
I need to watch it again.
Thing is normally the mines go off sort of one at a time. It's been a while since I've seen them all go off it
Like they just disappear. You don't see that
Since the days of like old techies mines. I miss it. Oh, he's busy. I'm no no no don't say that don't say I do I
Again old techies if you're losing to it is a skill check. All right
The hero wasn't broken you were just bad on that century game on that vision game on that wasted everyone's time
Also, there's the problem with scripting was a unfixable issue
you. Well, that's a whole new debate. That's a good point. Yeah, come on. That's a close
over that one. Yeah, come on. A lot of fun happening over there. We're going to continue
our fun as well. We're looking at our next best of one. Hopefully the results are going
to be a little bit more inspiring, mostly for extreme gaming. They're coming up against
Aurora and they really need this win. There is that silver lining for you, that spirit
having beat OG there. You know that there is still that chance for you to claw yourself
out of elimination, that you're going to take yourself out of that zone, but it's against
Aurora. Yeah, they're not doing too hot in the group stage, but they are a formidable opponent.
Yeah, I think XG, they have chances here. Aurora is like what, middle of the pack,
something like this. So it's not like they're going up against one of the Gigadogs. I think
Aurora are, they're doing okay right now. And XG have looked maybe, I mean, they look kind of
bad in the LGD game, but I think they're also put significantly out of their comfort zone.
Somehow I have some, some deeply, I have faith that they'll do okay in this game.
Aurora 5-5, so they're sitting right there in a similar area as Liquid.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like if anything, Aurora knows they're not going to be top two
and they're kind of just accepting that the Last Dance Qualifier will be their friend
in being able to get to Copenhagen.
So it's kind of like locking your strats, make sure what you're doing is correct,
prepare yourselves for the brutality of Buster3s to be able to get here.
And then for XG, of course, as you already mentioned, every win is so important
and hopefully they have that fire inside of them to try and drag themselves up the leaderboard and away from the bottom too.
I mean it's literally the last best of one these two teams will play in their group stage like that's
how important it is for the side of Glyph. They still have another best of one for themselves to play,
so if Extreme Gaming lose here they could force themselves to be in that potential tiebreaker.
Same for the side of Tundra they're going to be playing later against LGD, so it is right now for Extreme Gaming.
What could be the end of the road? You need to put everything out there and if we're looking towards that
What are some good building blocks Quinn that they need to utilize to get that advantage?
I think a well-rounded nice lineup that scales well. I mean you I think
They're not gonna suddenly become the best fast-paced team and take the game to the to Aurora
And so I think you just want better scaling Aurora is not a particularly fast team
Band the puck consider banning the tiny take Aurora slightly out of their comfort zone and just pick good scaling like you can look at
I don't know pick first picture Alpharall I care it doesn't bother me
You know just have have something nice and solid a roars not the kind of team that's gonna try to ultra cheese you in lanes
They're gonna pick their stuff you pick your stuff and just actually play a decent game
It's also nothing to say versus Makoto right?
I think Makoto has shown why he's such a dominant mid laner right helping a rocket close to trophies
But not quite there yet compare that to nothing to say like he just ran him play the sniper game earlier today
Like he's kind of being pushed into heroes that he doesn't really want to play at least from our perspective
So I like if nothing to say isn't on the comfort hero
This could just become a one-sided game of Makoto showing up on a puck or a storm and it's like wow
He's amazing, you know, so I think nothing to say
Need to protect him a little bit in the draft so he isn't just kind of just skill-tracked in the mid-lane
Okay, so it's protecting nothing to say in the draft protecting army in the game
Something like that. Yeah, try the armor control the game
Okay, I like it feels a little bit more straightforward there
And of course Aurora wouldn't be putting themselves in a better position
position and so often we've described them as quite a scripted team when it comes to that draft has anything really changed since then T since you've given them that that sort of crown.
Yeah, I mean they just picked PL to counter a draw so the script kind of got partially ripped a little bit especially for nightfall because he's a type of carry player that has like three carries in a tournament maybe four and he is like the best on them.
Yeah, at least in the game earlier, they have shown they can kind of deviate slightly.
And I think maybe when they break more into the best of threes, we will see that deviation more,
but in the best of ones, you don't need to be that creative.
We like we're just mentioning for OG, their creativity is their downfall.
For a team like Aurora, the reason why they're not in elimination
is because they've been able to kind of claw out some stable wins because of that stability.
Yeah, that's a funny one. We've seen some teams just give them all their stuff and then just beat their stuff.
And other teams are trying frantically to ban all the stuff and put them out.
And I don't know which is the correct approach.
I think both can work.
It kind of depends on the style of team you are.
If you want to beat the good stuff or just not play against the good stuff.
Well, we're about to find out those answers.
What sort of team is extreme gaming when it comes to a draft up against Aurora?
So Ben's coming out here. We got alone Druid Timbersaw taking off Jirau and Beast as well
there. So a few more Ben's to come this way and like you said Quinn whether actually want
to just let Aurora have the comfort and be comfortable in beating that or if you're going
to have to try and force them onto something that they're a little bit less strong on.
Yeah, these two bans will determine that. I think a lot of people ban Doom against Aurora.
Others opt for the Tiny and Puck, which are generally the three heroes that are in contention
for these two spots.
And I would assume Doom would be banned up by XG because Aurora banning up the Drow
bows XG's response in the first phase against the first big Doom. So kind of Aurora kind
of tipping the hat to the respect of what XG have used and there it is. They didn't,
of course, bad out of the doom.
I wonder if Aurora is bored,
because they-
Oh, I didn't-
Sorry, what?
Yeah, like because they just,
I don't know how many night,
how many tiny games does Nightfall play
this tournament so far?
Too many.
I know, I agree.
I feel like they very much are like,
like surely their team comes after a game.
It's like, wow, this new hero really changed in shape.
It's like, oh, actually at minute 14,
you are not that efficient on the tiny,
you've played 200 times.
I can see the bottom.
I feel like they're like the daughter team equivalent
beating your head against a brick wall it's just I don't know it's just tiny puck tiny
puck tiny puck tiny puck do you think they've taken the the crowd away from falcons because
of course like falcons and before falcons there was tundra right the previous iterations
they might be the crownwares to be honest yeah it's it's pretty impressive
I'm going to tell you they have played six tiny games out of their power.
That's a lot.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wouldn't range a gyro in PL or the other.
See the PL again is like the one outlight.
That's the hope for the viewership that there are new things to do.
Oh wait, yeah.
Okay.
The bowler.
Strike.
Jam.
I'm with you.
I like that.
Yeah, we could work on it.
You know, the little scuffed bowling animations?
We could get those two, you know, like...
We knew them with, like, blast logos flying everywhere.
Yeah!
I'm sure production can work on that.
There we go.
Tiny is a response is...
uh, fine.
I don't think it's incredible against Cluckwork, per se.
You're a very big target, easy hit with the cogs.
But Tiny's also just a solid hero and fine to pick this early.
have a huge amount of issue, but it's not like a direct response to Clockwork.
I wouldn't say it's good against it.
But we have, I get, it was tiny.
We are seeing this like crossroads in the hero of it's not just dominating
game from the first pick.
Teams can still fall down trap.
I think LGD showed a really nice use case of like picking up the blink dagger,
going more aggressive, like utilizing a harpoon blink, like this type of build
on the hero.
So I'd like to see our mate potentially consider that, especially if down the
line you've got like tinkers and more specialty nothing to say here is getting
picked to enable his comfort I would love to see an MTS tanker to be honest
mm-hmm or pick a bunch of stuff that's bad burst tinker and then don't then yeah
that'd be wonderful I mean they've already set the foundation of anti tinker
with a clockwork yeah if they forget about tinker they think clock can can do
it all there is still hope I've only played like once a year
I think of it as weird robots, they're so strange.
It's very, you need to like learn how to lane against them
because they like, you like drops it on you.
And it's very weird.
But also the talent which increases the damage,
you need to respect the high ground
where it's like, if there's two or three robots
already down and you walk up,
you take a tower hit, like six robots and a stun.
It's kind of annoying.
Like it's, I think people scoff at it
because they look at the numbers and go,
this is nothing, but there are some times
that it can thwart the aggression.
You can also do stuff like push yourself over cliffs and there's like some cheeky movement with it
You can push other people into you or like trap them. There's some weird stuff
At least it's not a defense matrix. That stuff was like super low skill
Like that was just boring that you put it on yourself popped blink back and
Congrats for the tinkers alive. So I'm happy that got removed
So far I don't think any of this is too out of the ordinary. I think I think I surprised more people haven't been picking peaks against clock
I feel like it's a very solid counter pick
Um, because it just makes it hard for him to beat a polar.
Axe is also just a hero we've been seeing a lot and it's looked relatively solid,
especially when you see your lane, you're not getting necrophost or some nasty counterpick.
The hero just tends to do pretty well.
Is there ever a world that, like, FY will just, I know tiny support is really weak because of,
like, the loss of crash landing and the damage that Toss does, but is there ever a world you
think actually has that in them to be able to, like, draw off like this?
I just don't know if Armey is a necrophos player. I don't know if he's got that dog in him.
You can hit creep. You can buy radiance. You can farm a lot.
I'm sure Armey can buck a bit.
He just doesn't feel like him. I feel like he's more of a meow guy.
I mean, yeah. No, I can see that.
Yeah. It's just a vibe.
Picking up what I'm putting down.
I mean, this is the battle of two kitty cats then, because we've already said that nightful.
Nat wanted to go on a kitty in an interview, right?
And then we have Armey as well, so...
I did say if I have an interview to my woodcull and kitty not fall. There it is
I mean I'm a is like famed like headset cat ears wear is me. Yeah
22% probably now yeah, I was gonna I don't think it's gotten any better seven wins 18
18 losses
That's pretty rough
So that's actually going to be the last time we saw it was 26. I assumed it went down, but it's actually going up
So that's impressive. Yeah, I probably got like one more way
Yeah, at least a trick for accident hoodwink though. It is a strong lane partnership
Of course with battle hunger acorn bush back
There's a lot of just poke and nuisance
When Phoenix wants to kind of step up and utilize fire spirits losing your own HP
It can be a little dicey so I understand why Aurora has has gone for it
But actually, looking at the lockdown of where I was, it makes sense why they've gone for a Storm Spirit pick.
They haven't really protected him in the draft, it's not as if they've seen mid hero pick mid hero.
But because of the first three heroes, it makes sense. It is a very strong Storm Spirit game in the lack of lockdown.
Yeah, the annoying part about picking Storm Blind is you're always just walking in Ember.
The enemy team bringing off just sees Storm Pick's Ember. It's a hyper-common response, and it's already a pretty good Ember game.
So, Makoto will gladly snatch it up, I imagine.
It's a playable matchup,
but it does mean that Storm needs to play a lot slower,
because you can't full commit into fights,
because you can chain and die if you over commit.
So, yeah, there it is.
It means that Storm's gameplay changes to where,
I think, Extreme wants to play a more static game.
You need to protect your stacks,
get your caudal and Phoenix levels.
And then at a certain point,
the Ember counter versus Storm is not near as impactful
once you have a Dispel, or once your team has more items.
Even if your team just has Glimmer,
you can tank through the chains, but there's an interim period there where Kotal is a very
slow support hero, Ember is running at you and you cannot kill him but he will not die
in this early game, so there's a storm to be weathered.
Yeah, I mean, not only that, if they are to overcome that, both teams have the same amount
of pickoff potential through Tiny, Blink or Silveridge from Storm and how he plays, and
then it's like Axe, Hoodwind, Clock and Ember, so between XG and Aurora both lineups will
be looking for kind of the same mid-game plan, kind of shove waves, look for that pickoff
the hero by themselves on the side lane. It feels a little easier for Aurora based on the hero that
they have. There's something like missing in XG's lineup right now. The fact that you have
Cuddle Fiends double support, like the movements that they can bring on the map, like you said,
it feels more towards like the jungle. Like you're making stacks should be inefficient. Like I'm not
seeing these supports like run to mid lane, crush the mid lane, and then make explosive moves. It
feels very like jungle efficiency right now for XG. Yeah, you're most likely either looking at
Persuring whatever hero Nightfall picks here as XG will have last pick off lane
So I do kind of like this because I feel like XSS has been their best player this tournament by far
So giving him last pick getting him lane counter pick. I like enabling the guy who's kind of having a hot streak
I mean easily could become like a dawn breaker or an undead salt off lane a 4xg where you know
Your storm and tiny will go seek a fight and the next success can just play the other side of the map chill
Hit creeps. It's not as if your supports and team want to make moves anyway
So why not just hit your lane creeps hit your jungle creeps and just chill
Like I don't want to see excess on a hero where he's like hoping for things to happen in the game
When no one was to make moves like he needs to kind of accept the fact this is kind of a farm game for exterior
What does night good want I can't
Can you not fall tonight fall?
The meowster meowful
It's okay, but I feel like you're giving it a nice off-lane pick now.
Uh, you potentially, but I think clock Furion is not a, there's no lane to snub your nose at, not to mention there's a caudal, which is a dog water laner, so I feel like Furion will have a fine laning phase, and I agree that I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of heat coming, what is it?
Yeah, I could call him the Don, but I don't know, like, the Don doesn't, even if Don has six and she presses ulti,
it's not like there's that much catch early on to make people stay in the ult.
People can kind of kite back and there's a lot of those small disables in Aurora, so I feel like there's a lot of tempo coming from Aurora,
and also their scaling isn't even bad, like it's not like if they mess up early, they fall off, I don't think they do,
and they have really, they can own some boots early game.
No, yeah, for sure. I think the main thing is just like how does XG set up the supports in the early game?
Are we gonna be seeing Phoenix be able to leave the tiny take twin gate because of dawn?
Jumping onto a profit with a Phoenix whooping as well like that is kill threat or nightfall
And then suddenly now you're dragging supports to the bot lane
You're opening up nothing to say to farm a bit more efficient because there's no pressure there
I feel like yeah for XG
It's mainly on the supports to try and find life in a game where their heroes are a little bit more static
Which is again, it's gonna be quite hard to overcome if they find a solution
I can see some merit behind that lineup though.
Yeah, Aurora just feels very, very simple.
Find hero, TP in, get kill, reset, rinse, repeat.
Yeah, I feel it's a bit tricky.
Like the execution is much higher on Xtreme, I think.
Also, Fyres was really striking me as a player
who is super amazing at the efficiency dodge.
They don't interact with the enemy style until you get to a specific timing.
I feel like it's nicer for XG whenever they can fight around mid
and they can fight the runes and it's simple.
Like it's just we're stronger when we fight.
And that's not the case.
They need to knowledge and be careful and pick their fights very decisively.
And I think that is that is not the way XG wants to play generally.
I reckon we just all in on nothing to say.
And he just keeps running and FY just keeps following him.
And he just keeps real feeling refilling his mantle.
Yep. And that's it. That's how they win.
I mean, he keeps getting chained.
No, because he's going to buy the BKB like second item.
Just when you see him go to change, zip away.
OK. Yeah. Or FY is going to rush Lotus and put it on the storm.
Guys, every problem you state even now, there's solutions for XG.
Where's the problem of a 4000 gold?
Just dash gold space
4000 and pick the nature's profit faster. They give you the gold bags
Bring it back bring it back now
Well, we're gonna not bring it back instead. We're gonna take a step forward as we get into this best of one
It's the last one in the group stage for Aurora and extreme at gaming
Let's have a look here. One of those games fogged where both teams are XG and Aurora.
The global potential is pretty fantastic. They're going to have this storm and dawn
and wherever they want. Obviously, on Aurora, you have the Prophet, the Yemba, the Hookshot
as well for the clock. They can engage from an absolute mile off. Everybody's going to
be everywhere.
Yeah, should be some fun. We'll see how XG ends up playing because I don't know why the
game from this morning kind of left a sour taste in my mouth. Obviously, the Hydra Breath,
we're kind of miming out. Maybe there's something that it's not good as a first item ever, but
it's the rest of their play that kind of bothered me overall. So hopefully, they can play better
in this game, they're draft, it's a bit greedy, you can say, but if they do get to these points,
it's a very strong tricorps, especially when they have these two supports, but these two supports
are incredibly reliant on the tricorps. So we'll see how those three do end up playing as Aurora.
They definitely know how to play versus these heroes, because it actually looks like an Aurora
draft almost on the side of XG. The tiny, you know, Nightfall carry, playing Tiny,
Kari would be playing Phoenix, so I would say that Aurora has a very good idea of how to play
versus this draft, and how to take advantage of it.
Aurora, I'll be able to set up yet three bouncy runes to start this game off.
And I like the aggression that they can put on on the side of Aurora in comparison.
I do feel like there is quite a bit of farming that XG might fall into a trap of and could start to lose control of the map.
But that being said, I actually, I think,
I kind of like XG's draft a slight bit more.
Just because it's a little bit safer, if they get to, like, if they get to late game, you can see the power of it.
It just, will they get there?
Yeah, it it it feels like there's sort of more room for a
Remember their draft players right with the the nightfall carrying its profit
If he doesn't kind of get that item ahead and stay ahead
It can sometimes fall off pretty heavily. And when you're playing this one, it's profit if you're not dominating
That being said they may just fit there's definitely potential for them to just get off and just snowball very quickly on the side of
Aurora and the xc draft is just too greedy to play
So what to see as to how this ends up going down because this top lane is the one i'm looking at least
Bottom, it does feel like Aurora also has an advantage there, but this top lane, most
times when Dawn is played, it's able to kind of crush the lane and build a huge momentum
because of it.
So it's quite a bit harder lane playing versus the NPM, the Clockwork perhaps.
Yeah, true.
It's super hard to really commit and close the gap with the Nature's Prophet when you
put this Clock running around.
Yeah, if it was not a Clockwork and it's just a Dawn, or just a Nature's Prophet plus like
some other more fragile ranged hero, sure, you can get on top of him, but the Clock is
going to dissuade a lot of that aggression. It should be able to protect my
phone. Bottom, we're mentioning also the hoodwind plus the axe. This is a super
strong lane and it's a zero armor lane on the side of XG. Literally like zero
armor versus white stone. That's true of these acorn shots. Going to heart.
Gets the bounce back as well. Doesn't get it between the two heroes but this is
just going to be a poking lane from Kaori and gotta mention that as well too, right?
It's Kyori playing with WS in the off lane as a hoodwink and Mera playing safe lane with the clock
group so a bit of an interesting little switch up we do have coming in.
Is that just because of the comfort for the heroes that they're playing or?
Yeah, that's what I would imagine. Mera likes to play the melee,
Skaeyori likes to play the range and Kyori, he's a bit of a limited hero pool.
So this maybe is known to the third or fourth heroes that he does like to play.
And as we're hearing what during the drops, well, I didn't realize this but
I hope Wing Taro as a hero is having a pretty horrific win rate.
It is, which is surprising because this hero feels pretty broken, but I'm happy.
Yeah, do not nerf hoodwink. It's a bad hero. Yes, the stats don't lie.
This hero is positive, I gotta be honest. I don't know how that's happening maybe because
it's getting picked so early, but...
Is that what it is? I feel a previous tournament, right? The win rate was not this far.
No. Maybe it could just be... It's like the most popular...
One of the most popular four positions, so every support is playing in. Sometimes they
so you can just have bad games.
It happens.
But the hero is definitely so good at this.
Top.
That's why doing good job of clearing these trants,
he's actually gotten these eight last hits.
A lot of these are those trees,
same thing for the Dawnbreaker,
but they are getting bullied.
You're seeing the harassers that's coming in from them.
On the NQ plus that.
Clockwork.
Amira.
Happy to see it.
skill battery assault at level 2. I don't know how many times I've been seeing them not go battery
assault 2 versus Lynx that are just very good versus battery assault.
Oh yeah, it's so nice against the dorm breaker.
Yeah. Embers Caudill, you isolated him, he just, he can just die so.
And there you go, battery assault immediately stops the combo.
In top almost gets brought down from a few from Starbreaker.
It's time for the other lanes, the mid lane where Steins are seeing nothing as they get a little bit
bit of a last hit advantage against Makoto Zemba.
Scale-based matchup, I love this one because a lot of players like the Ember matchup.
I like the Storm in particular in the past too, so.
But overall, the Ember absolutely has a lot of merits in this game because he can weather
the Storm, tank it all, still get that farm, and overall, the Flame Guard in this game
is going to be very effective.
WS?
He'll be alright.
Corey did make the walk over to the mid.
not quite able to set anything up at the moment during daytime on to the stall.
WS did TP to his tower.
In theory, it sounds nice, but now he...
But then she could have just gone back to base and already been almost back here, so
perhaps some wasted time where he's going to be set really low and hit some tangos past
over.
And Arma has got one charge, if he sees an opportunity to set up with an avalanche.
Their spirits are back up in a second here.
Have to be careful.
Gonna pop the 1, get the avalanche, and they dive forward.
3 comes in, WS.
Not enough.
Gonna be fine.
Has 1 charges, but still will be kept incredibly low air at the axe.
I wanna... I'll wait for a second here, because X-Till will just dive.
He already... he's got the right clicks.
He should have them.
He's ready to 2P and get involved.
They take out X-Till, but...
I shot the knife while she came. He'll be able to just take the portal back top so it's pretty much zero wasted time.
But that was a free kill for K'Ori and nice acorn bounces on the tiny as well too.
So I want to point out because when I watch some of the like, I know XL but it's very good for you to inspire. Don't get me wrong, good.
When I watch K'Ori play it, he keeps himself so low HP so he can go for these kill plays.
And on the X, perhaps if they did do that they would have had to kill. XL was keeping himself full HP.
So it doesn't use the dying light then, effective.
Little nitpicks.
Nothing to say.
Oh, he's gonna be a bit careful here.
Oh, he's got the team out!
Oh my goodness, he makes it away!
He's coming from Aurora!
Simply can punish, X-X-X, taking again heavy damage from his acorn shot.
He's got two shots. Super low here. The two of them, the rocket flare. Not enough. X-XX will be able to get the Lotus.
Nightfall can come. He can TP in in two seconds if he wants to.
Oh, does he want to try?
No. Ah, he's just gonna make the lane.
Fire spirits can be annoying there first. The clockwork can't hit his own cogs. Can't actually bonk them at all there, but that's slow to attack speed.
What?
It's a lot of weeds up here.
I think I'm pushing, Kailori. We'll look for a bush black up between the two.
Can they go for the 7 minute?
They're a little behind there.
Should be able to.
They're gonna have to bring more rotations, dawn and storm, potentially.
Have to bring nothing to say, I'd imagine.
Successful CT in.
Here comes the storm.
I was gonna try and head over see if he can grasp the wisdom, but
Can just say we'll go straight for him and with the TP's force
They don't want to stick around and try and threaten it. They'll back off Aurora a
Fight of resources essentially right there. Mikoto goes over but he has the remnant already in the mid lane
So he just wasted the storm's time to make sure that he has to go over there then get that wisdom rune
Oh
That is interesting
what are we nothing to say it's queuing up am I checking to get arcane boots
I mean you know yeah well not a fan of this or what does this sort of say I
mean he's gonna go to Greaves right I guess it's the Greaves build right
because he's playing first chains and he's maybe potentially expecting an
orcate or something that's I was trying to reason as to why he wants to do it
this game but I guess that is it. Okay.
We got to dive in.
So this is going to get run down here by WS and I hope the Sprout comes out.
Should be able to get him right up on the solo guy and then actually comes in.
They want to try and fight back and see if they can get WS. They've got a Kalori here of army.
and jump to it. I think he might get caught off here by the wraparound from Armae coming in.
Close off the escape route. Oh no, he doesn't have one.
Pets through the trees and Armae will not get the chance to find him. Did see that
avalanche on cooldown so it would have been very hard to stop him anyway.
WS will manage to escape. Rotations all over the place.
Top FY might be the one who gets caught at the end of it all here.
and he is.
Nothing to kill, go to 9-4.
Got it.
Go get the last tap.
Crazy aggression, crazy movements all over the place. WSNs are surviving. They get the bottom tower, X-Nova lives, solo guarding gets forced.
2-1 at the moment, Aurora with a slight advantage out of these lanes.
But XG, agreed.
So much it's going to pay off.
She said X success is a bit shut down because of all this in this top lane, but that's a
very greedy lineup and it did not get smashed in the lanes just yet.
Nothing to say should have pretty decent timing on the Greaves.
Net worth right now is the storm.
I guess it really is just the chains that are going to bother him that much.
I was wondering if this is enough to buy Reeves, but I guess he feels like it is.
Because what was your concern, like that it's a bit too defensive?
You won't be able to kill targets very effectively because it does reduce your kill threat a lot
on the hero.
I guess he's just looking up to be that more defensive thing and they do have a lot of
healing when they have it, right?
Maybe that's what he's thinking, is they have Kato plus Dawn plus the Greaves that they'll
be very strong versus the aggressive fighter.
What's he gonna play with all this?
What did he say?
The state's called by the roof!
Look at the bushwax into the steering chains, they can't save him!
Armey, Wusley, Wusley, Abilac trying to break the McConaugher jumps away from the solid
guardian but he'll take out to the burn damage of Ex-Nova.
Armey with the toss for it, look at that, Cori under the tower, Cori gets off the acorn
shot.
Ex-Nova.
Yes.
Shots.
Mawks up, gets the dunk, and they do much about Armey though, Armey's still full HP,
various will at least be able to grab the arcane rune and over Abilac thrown out from
Armey.
Nothing more to chase almost so get the ember, but they do lose the two of them there and
As you can see there's nothing to say at the moment if he does get caught by any sort of stun dies pretty quickly
Yeah, so perhaps that is why just having the extra sustain as well having the disbar versus the chains
Okay, I can see it at least because I haven't seen many of them do it when they're not playing versus a global in potential like that
Kind of is the biggest indicator that I've seen for those most of them to go threes. We'll see if it pays off
xxs he's the one suffering the most but I like that XG is matching the movements
here even though they do lose a couple heroes here, Amé is getting involved
early
cause of the juke nice little side stepping for Amé
WS will not deviate a game that he can clearly just go for the blade melt
doesn't need to go dominator tuck the route
pretty good work on it. Yep. Good scaling for him. Mira, keeping tabs, just watching heroes on the
side of XQ at the moment. Egg is online for X Nova. Do they want to use this in an aggressive
fashion because right now they're just being watched. All the vision from Aurora is just keeping tabs of
of them. And in this sort of game, are either team after a sort of quicker game or you know,
I would say Aurora in general. This is a very strong scale of draft from XG.
WS, four takes holding you in place with the solar guardian coming crashing down. Look at the call
for the blast comes in from FY's enough thirst to take the axe out. The egg was up and the egg
they can't finish it off super nervous successful. The three of them dead on Aurora's extreme hold
their jungle strong. I don't know it feels like Aurora they want to try to go for these plays get
aggressive but the bounce back XG is very strong they're bringing the numbers in every single fight.
I don't know I do like the way that their draft scales absolutely the tricorne can absolutely
see how that one hits the margins and FY is having a very good opening on the scottle.
This Cottle is a big design for their draft to just ensure that nothing to say just continues to be pumped up
He's got the back done
Very much a was a big fan of the Cottle storm
It does seem like this duo
I don't know I feel like recently it's been getting pretty drafts four times than it's reduced to
This used to be sort of like the top one you see one of these here is you wouldn't let them have the other
Cottle can just actually Cottle fits in almost any draft right now. That's why probably right so it's a storm
Yeah, you can just kind of put a storm in there afterwards if they don't remember it.
There are a lot of heroes that you do have to ban a lot of the combos with Caudal, they're the Pangos.
Sure, but this one's gonna be the best one.
What would you not say it's the best one right now, it's better?
Probably in this meta, but you know you always do remember the times of the
ember as well too, right? The pango plus the embers, those used to be the best ones, so.
I mean, they will want to play quite aggressive with this, but this is very much where the
real friend does lie in his early moments where Storm can pretty much fight with this incredible
amount of mana.
And when he goes from that jump, you want to fight him at the next time, but nothing is safe.
He dips in and gets cold.
He's dead.
Mirrors him with a hookshot and the cogs on a armade.
Oh, that went horribly wrong.
WS was absolutely ready for him just waiting on the high ground.
There's nothing to say, just dips in and gets immediately cold.
Essentially WS had a blink dagger there.
Yeah, you've got mech, but you can't even get it off.
You just die, and that's when the mech looks a lot worse.
You don't have trides for the HP pull as well too.
That's a little unlucky for him, but a great positioning for Marora.
The two heroes that can kill him are literally right there.
Yeah, man.
Hey, do you want me zipping in Milo range to that axe again?
Honey, time to finish it.
Now, Mikoto gets Power Rune,
has the shield, and the Spirit Bessel finished up here.
They can turn this into a tower here.
Marora with 3K lead now.
No, it just really just got ran down mid.
Oh, okay, well, nothing to say did have a bit of a rough one on the sniper game in terms
of positioning.
That's when he is entering the game zero and two, and still at the moment he chains into
a bushwhack and pulls the death of the storm quite fragile at this point here.
I was mentioning the supports for the side of XG, these are completely reliant on the
course so they can't really make any of their own individual moves, they have to just fud
the store spirit.
That's why you've probably seen Kaori just following Makoto around with the shield through
it.
Makoto is very threatening right now.
Max Chains are online.
No, these two kill most heroes and maybe the tanking one's a tiny little tougher and
And especially if a solo guard is coming out from X-XS, but they have a very solid chance
of at least forcing out that ultimate.
Oh, Rory knows how to play versus this draft of the government.
I feel like this is a great understanding for him, because this is literally a draft
that they like to play almost essentially across the board here.
So just looking to play very aggressively, fight at every single timing, and the Axe
already has Blink and Blade Mail now.
After getting that kill on the Storm Spirit, he's been accelerating it in insane amounts.
Now there's Threadal over the place.
XG's gotta be careful.
Nifo is just getting to sit back and hit creeps with a Mjolnir as a nature's profit. This is the dream for him.
No Thread on him right now.
No Storm Spirit coming to his lane, no Tiny coming to his lane.
Hunting him.
him, he's just able to hit the neutrals while his team, they're the ones making the moves.
Next to you Lee's trying to put some pressure on some tier 1 top.
Trying to here.
He's being able to take it down, but uh...
Uh oh! Uh oh!
Looks like they're being it.
Very dead, now they can take the portal and they can potentially look for that fight.
Ame is on the portal, they're looking for the fight.
Get the set of combo onto Makoto, so it's not enough to kill Makoto alone.
WS, he'll come through, get the call of honor, the turn of Makoto, FYF, WCON, and A6S, he'll get dunked down by WS.
Having a fantastic time now on the axe.
Trying to set the trap, but they've trapped themselves.
I mean, they just don't have the damage really to do that sort of play as we saw.
They tried to drop everything onto Makoto as he came through, but couldn't kill him.
He's able to jump away with the remnant.
And and now Aurora is getting that acceleration that they definitely wanted into this game nightfall being able to turn up get some good moves
WS with the the shortest most successful blink that has like a two-inch blink to get the call of two heroes
Laura's nice
Yeah, just playing really nice here in these first 15 minutes had a little bit of a slow entry
But now looking very good the axe and the ember spirit have hit the timings makes layers coming online soon
XG, the greaves are now out but nothing to say. Zero and two here. He could just die
before he gets greaves off. Just a blink blade by a call.
He is pretty squishy. Not easy for nothing to say against all the
He catches that they have an XSS, can't quite get the slight change.
I'm gonna say, what I'm saying is that he's gonna get caught!
WS!
Get some of the call, they're here, we'll be there with the solar guardian, they'll use
the solar guardian and the simple one to get WS, nothing to say.
Nothing to say?
This is fine, he's gonna get caught with a hook, you only have to zip back.
They're just gonna take down pretty low, they do manage to deal with the axe and kill him
off and they're all getting cogs off.
Trying to run, they won't manage to chase the clock.
Oh my goodness, that was terrifying.
Yeah, that was catching nothing to say multiple times there,
but the team keeps him alive and they do manage to get a pretty big kill.
They're killing off the axe and ensuring that nobody,
nobody goes down on their side this time.
Fully defensive using everything though and it's on their side as well too.
So can they turn this into a push potentially here?
Just feel a little bit complicated for them to get these lanes out.
Nightfall instantly just ports shoves in the bottom wave as well too.
at least they protect nothing to say it looked like he was just gonna get burnt down immediately
lots of heals coming in so we do see the holy lock in his wall coming into play i believe to get
that extra restoration i find that they needed to start getting going their way to slow down the
progression from aurora this ward is still placed down though ame is stepping forward here they're
setting this trap here XG. They're bringing the numbers as well. Another one. Another one.
Once again, triple kill for WS. They might have got him last time, but this time, he'll get that.
He gets the last laugh, that word. They know all the cooldowns were used, they know the egg is still down, they can just play on pretty much zero cooldowns on Aurora, right?
That's the other thing that's really nice about their draft, they're not relying on anybody having this cooldown.
So as soon as those are used on XG, they can run at them, WS.
So they've got these axe players as well, so you just feel like they're getting the dream call every single time against the three.
Up to 7.5 armor now for him.
XG.
Have to try to slow things down, be able to fight around these cooldowns for Aurora.
Quickly take advantage of that approach, and his torment to potentially on the menu soon to fear Mira.
get the wisdom and force the soldiers are in it he hooks up the way nothing to say
he will get him with the ball take so they'll at least make him pay but
Merit don't mind he was able to get the wisdom and force quite a reaction
all right it's a huge win for them he forces the biggest oath on the map and he still steals
the shrine and they get a trade kill and it forces everyone from the side of xg to react
again all the way to lexide xg's reacting with five heroes every single time they're feeling the
pressure. And just nightfall is getting so much time in space. Now both teams
able to play the global sort of strap moving around but obviously as nature's
profit he is the the one out of all of them that can move around the easiest
and we're seeing it in his efficiency here nightfall 15k net worth and no
signs of slowing down 4-0-9. That's a pretty flawless game. And WS overall in a
a game where your play versus Tiny, which some play versus sustain, so sometimes getting
these axe dunks in there and like the mid game can be kind of unsuccessful. He's having
such a good game as well. Because Tiny's a super high HP hero, it's hard to blink blade
mail call him at times when you have sustain behind. The fact that he's having this type
of game is insane. 5, 2, and 7 on the axe. Has the blade mail, has the blink, has the
BKB now for the upcoming fight. I already was just going to look for every fight now
at this point. Oh yeah, every time it smokes up they'll be using it straight away.
And they're getting pretty poor, the pressure is definitely adding up onto the side of XG.
Xnov is trying to find some farm here, but they're looking for the bigger target.
Oh no. We'll back over to the rest of his teammates. Mira.
Gonna look for him. Very aggressive. And we'll get Mira.
He's alive?
And he's still alive!
Finally falls, but it took so much!
And they're looking at WS, they're looking at knife, well they can't kill Eve with these,
and now X-XS is in trouble!
Hey, now mate.
As X-XS goes down, Army being focused by Nogoto, Dustin has several cover-clops to try and
help, but he can't!
Cause WS has called him again, traps the storm, everyone dead on X-XS.
So, Dustin has several cover-clubs to try and help, but he can't, because WS has called him again!
Traps the storm!
Everyone, dead on XG.
Aurora playing it beautifully, and XG playing it honestly pretty disastrously.
What are they going for this clockwork for anyway?
It took so long!
They've used so many resources, and it's just, it's a five-position clock that they're going for anyway.
They're all over the place, Owen.
The bad taste that I had in my mouth from the game that they had this morning,
It's lingering into this game as well too.
Just very messy gameplay from XG and Aurora.
Now at this point, just playing it clean.
They just don't have to farm right now to be able to make these moves.
Can't even kill the position five quick enough.
It's tough time here for XG.
It's the way that they're going for the play too, right?
It's like a dive forward that they don't even connect.
A long zip to use half the mana of the storm as well.
Even if you get the kill a bit quicker,
It feels very overused resources for a five position
You're kind of setting up your position for orders. Just throw everything onto you there
So I'm looking like smooth sailing
Nothing to say spotted by a word as well here
PPS coming in
Hook shot, flank up the setup, three guys will not save him, no, power clockwork, just push him back
Just got out of hand quick
Another setup, WS
The setup on to him, the dust is at the red, he's gonna try and wrap it, the push works
Ex-Diver dives in and attempts to help, but he dies even quicker.
Ex-Diver dives in and he's pretty much dead before the dive comes to an end.
We might get the AME.
We might get the AME. It's potential. I thought it might happen there.
He believes that he's not giving up, Daddy.
He's not giving up.
They'll fight to the end, AME.
They do have to make a good late game scaling draft,
but it doesn't feel like they're going to even get to late game and Aurora.
The five position will get that charge.
He believes in the come back.
He believes in the come back.
It could happen.
It looks so.
It could happen.
This one feels extra brutal,
because some of the times when XG's having these type of tougher games,
at least one of them is having a good time.
Like XXS is having this really solid standout one.
This is just a tough one for him.
He's been forced into fights that maybe he doesn't want to go into as well with the Solar Guardian.
So it's hurting him a lot more in terms of his progression too.
I think overall when you build Greaves on Storm,
it's like you need to win the next like you need to win that
what 14 to like 20 something minute mark something like that when you do get it.
They've lost every fight since he's gotten it.
That's why.
Ooh, he's looking for the dunk.
Can he get the dunk? There we go another dunk.
Tough one. Acid top.
We've clearly seen at least in the last tournament as we're coming into this one, they just look like a more well-designed team together.
You're seeing the teamwork from them ex-gys, it is just kind of all over it.
Real question. Why does that nervous not eat his iron with no?
Sixth movement speed.
Does that actually stack the movement speed?
Yeah.
You sure?
Look at his movement speed. He's at 351.
351 is the VP at 345 that's what's that
It does my eat it instantly yeah always because I do not like not
Yeah, but I can you fuck him for the move speed
I don't know I think so, but I don't know how much I've only stacked up like fives
I mean maybe I do I even is it having this later for the movement speed
There's probably no limit to how many you can stack for the movement speed, right?
sure whatever I eat it right away because I'd like having like blood
grenades in my item slots rather than a iron would not have six movement speed
compared to a movement speed slowing item is just way worse yeah all about the
slot efficiency always double blood grenade always I'm a weirdo
They come with the smoke, success.
Oh, careful.
Oh, FY, nothing to say.
You can't run.
You can't hide.
Nothing to say. Nothing to say might be able to hide.
Oh, and FY.
Actually dies.
That was good.
This is a try for a blind hook shot.
I think it'll be a successful TPR.
Oh! Hiding.
He's hiding in the trees.
I didn't say him.
They have no map presence now at this point.
Actual zero on the side of XG Aurora is farming absolutely everything.
Our mag will be able to get the Shrine of Wisdom, okay, slight map presence.
They do have that, at the least.
For my goodness, this is rough.
17,000 lead with this Night Fault.
7,000 ahead of anybody else.
do some fun item come on nightball he's going very standard which is very
appropriate of course too when you're dumping on a game but you know I want to
see some fun what is fun what was a fun night for that it's not really a lot
yeah Makoto down in the area still looking for another potential kill
nothing to say. They see him.
He's ready. He's ready.
I'll get him this time. I'll get him next time, but not this time.
High ground defense. Aume has to be so careful how he does these plays to turn a sneak around
the map to get this extra farm, but there's wards all over the place.
And no deviation of like the norm as well too from Aume. I was thinking, you know, we
did see Yuma have some success with like the blink, it's just going for the
standards over which plays this game. And now at this point you have to do this
but maybe in the big game they needed something like that to fight against
Aurora's aggression. I don't know if any specific item would have fixed things
because the XG just pretty all over the place as Aurora. Looking smooth.
Feed the tree.
They play really nice through this game.
Yep, that big game.
We've been seeing them for quite a few of them and XG unfortunately struggling once more
not had an easy time there at last lap.
Yeah, the game for me this morning really, it's set, it kind of like drifts into this one a little for me because
actually they like had a great entry into the game, they actually could still like perhaps, they just like lost the game
in progression super fast, like lost full control of everything.
This one feels like they were even and then they just lost everything again, super similar in a way.
Oh my.
They're killing himself now.
If the state smoked, cleared the wave, or some of the wave.
It's a tannic for Nightfall coming out very soon here. The Orchid comes out for nothing to say, but this is a very late one.
See if they can connect anything with it here.
They've been stuck in the base for a while.
Look, SXS has been at this tier 3 tower for 5 minutes.
Creeklight is coming in. All three lanes.
I mean Aurora is just playing the economy game.
They're just getting so much more out of the map.
Aegis is gonna get reclaimed soon, but they are constricting everything here. There's literally no farm that's coming out for XG
It's Ame walking on hidden one of two creeps, and that's just about it
They're gonna smoke
Ame is spotted
K.O. it looks like he's H.
I think this is the third smoke I've seen it back to back to back from the side of XG.
They haven't been going too great these smokes but they gotta try them. Yep.
up.
Rory's just farming though, hitting the creeps.
Does that mean there's a chance that they can catch someone alone?
Can they go for WS?
He's got 3000 HP.
He's not going to get caught.
The lane's an indicator of the positioning of everything here.
Just get that giveaway if they are smoked up.
They know exactly where they are. The line is drawn.
They see the other way.
Aurora.
Nightfall.
Keep being in.
Seize everything.
Nightfall.
He is still alive. WSFBKB is starting to fall short, so he'll have to slide out of the fight.
The knifel! He just deep-beat in and died!
He didn't... I thought he was just BKB, but he just...
He didn't hit the call. Yeah, he fell down.
Yeah, he didn't BKB. He just let them get the chain stun out the... I was...
A whoopsy by Nightfall.
That's a big one.
Zines of life. For actually, absolutely.
They're lucky they didn't lose more heroes there on the side of Aurora in Nightfall.
Just didn't click the BKB.
He's got enough people just to the end right before he dies.
Yeah, he's very dead.
He's pretty well.
Full combat has been pretty much completely done.
And Armist is the one who's killing.
So a nice bit of money there going away, tiny.
Sometimes the grief controls, right?
You want to hold on to this BQB as long as possible,
but not using it there.
Oh, maybe, little bonus.
That's G.
On top of it, they're looking for Mira.
Armist blows out.
I've got the Makotas also around.
Makoto might be able to be careful and just let this
envelope die.
Another one for XG.
OK.
It's something.
You know, it's absolutely something.
They keep the game alive,
where it was really building up to Aurora,
giving XG no way back into the game.
But just like that,
they've gone and given them a bit of a chance,
a little bit of a hope.
It was actually just potentially GG after that fight,
and they do get this hope of more time here.
She's nice, only actually didn't clip the BKB for that fight.
Rejoining into things,
they're gonna look for the fight anyway on Aurora.
Oh, W.
Quite a blunder from him.
We've seen this, I swear, a lot of these games we've seen stuff like this, like a big kill
giveaway like this that just on paper shouldn't really happen.
Just holds that BKB a little bit too long, too greedy.
Now we have to wait for Rush on the side of Aurora potentially here, so for XG get some
time to farm the map.
nothing to say he shows they'll they're starting to swing away from me
swinging back over I imagine he's gonna immediately tee the area during the wave
to get hook shot oh that was close that was pretty close I had a lot of man to
work with if he does get hit from it but would have been a nice little hit
Yeah, from Mera.
Hiccup from Aurora, but waiting for that Roche, 90 seconds XG, getting outside here.
Ame now does have the damage items, to be honest with you, after that he's got the Daedalus.
So potential for Ame is there.
There's about to have the Daedalus, about 150 gold or so.
Roche one minute, Aurora.
I don't want to make another slip up with that.
They'll probably try and go for still right if you're actually.
Oh yeah, I don't think you can just let them set up for it.
Don't want to give this Nages profit an Aegis.
This Aeolus is done, right?
He's damaged.
He's there.
It's just if he can connect on the targets is the question.
There are BKB piercing lockdowns he has to worry about, but he can't delete someone at
start of things if you find the angle. Not the axe, but maybe one of these supports.
Lanes are getting shoved. WS with illusion cutting top wave as well shoving out mid.
So Roy does seem to be very aware and with the rocket they do CXG. She's smoking up again.
ideal would be if obviously super ideal if you get on nightfall if they can find
him before he's able to join the fight with this tiny
for a raw I can't imagine they'll be starting any fights with him TPing in
first again no I don't think that's what they don't need to do that right no he
only did that because of how far ahead they were right like he could just TP in
and just big hey guys they're here but yeah he just didn't click me give me so
We'll just wait for his aces ever to start the fights ideally in the next situation and Roche
They can position for it. Butterfly is done. He is at some critical mass moments insanely fast on this nation's profit
And now maybe with the eyes of the butterfly maybe now he can actually ppn
They don't have that damage to birth them in the same way
Roar
immediate smoke Aurora that's a pretty good angle that she's gonna get
Aurora seems to know okay all right we'll scout it walks up
Oh look at the jump first, gets the call onto the 2nd and the solo guard is coming in
they'll get the chance for the supernova to come out they're gonna try and focus the egg
here with right clicks of knife board and they'll take the egg
the supernova is dealt with Arme trying to fight against knife for the knife
is too strong for Arme to deal with right now as Arme will time run, but the right
switch from Knightfall, finish him off. This fight, it's going to be back in the hands of Arora.
It's taking off right now, freaks you to try and find the successful fights, but if it doesn't
go perfect, Arora will still come out and chop most of the time here with Knightfall as far as
he is. At WS, he'll be the sacrifice for the TV doesn't care if everything gets thrown on him,
That's his job as this axe links in they use everything on him. I'm a
Literally does nothing in the fight. He's just walking around waiting for an opportunity and an opportunity he takes
Is on this night box?
Literally just kills him with auto attacks. It actually looked pretty awkward for on me
It's nice slight hiccup, but that's all it really was
There's a guy.
Silence.
The Guardian tries to use the aggressive move, and my card was able to get out of the way
of the Solar Guardian and play between the two of them.
The back foot's in.
Nothing to say.
Fueled up.
More mana to play with.
Get same kills off Mira.
They're holding the defense.
Managing to push Aurora back.
Don't get the Ember, though.
Great four stacks.
That was a knife fall.
Bailing his buddy out of that stun ends up saving his life.
And they hold on to the racks too. Maybe the racks does not get brought down immediately though Aurora keeping back into the fray
Can't just look for the fight again here round nightfall
He is hitting so hard even the tiny walks up and just dies a 4,000 HP tiny that is
I'm afraid to come out of the base that last thing that Aurora hasn't got the full line
up alive.
Nothing to say commits for the full bloodthorn before you can go back for BKB just wanting
straight up aggression.
Alright, I don't mind it right.
You're all in on if you get stunned on someone for someone else you put the bloodthorn down
onto them.
Yeah, you've got a solid chance of killing them. I mean it could this game, but there's no loads of scissors anything for one another to
Bloodthorn if whoever's been gone upon is stunned as well, but they're BKB
I don't know. I don't like this job. I mean if they get the BKB
But you know what I mean if you get that they get the thumbs done lock them down bloodthorn on them
They will pop most of the target. I mean, I really don't like this pick up, but it's fine
I don't know what else you could really do because this game obviously you want to get to this agonist portion and all that
but maybe he felt like he needed some type of item in between.
Knifeball.
Starts to siege. Blink purchased up from Ame now here as a fourth item.
See, I mean, yeah, jumping out for so long, plus there's a Sage, just...
I'm not into watching, saying the merits.
Might have to just throw lives to stop him, but...
Who's left you throw away?
Scum.
Two Raxes, in fact the mid one also died to Catapults.
To our bottom, they didn't even have to use anything for those Raxes.
You can just set up for the push bottom as well too with these Aegis.
I see that's your next.
Rora.
How much more can they get with this last couple of minutes of Aegis?
And the catapults are still coming in.
They might just jump here.
Sadapults are gone.
Warthorne. Look at an army Makoto who's gonna commit him with the BKBs.
Off the sidelines.
That's the 4-6 first come tonight.
Full solo guard in coming in to keep Armei safe.
Trying to...
...force something out of Nightful, but Nightful stands his ground, bringing him down.
Super low.
He will live, but only just.
X6 has to be able to get back to the fountain.
They can't fight through anything.
Ororus not has BKB.
I'm just gonna try again, the call.
I'm only gonna catch up on nothing to say.
I haven't a dodge at this time with the Sunray, they're burning Nightfall at the once, that's the Aegis gone, and a kill off Mira.
So if we can set up a round two Aurora, we'll want to go in aggressively, teleporting forward, Rikodo,
put the barrier on him, and if he gets silenced, caught by the Morte, Nightfall is going to be able to TP out,
doesn't want to be passed the fight anymore, Rikodo is going to be covered by WS, comes in with a call on him,
nothing to say, nothing to say, taken out for 90.
Has got my last available.
Every call seems to hit onto a primary target there.
Nightfall does have the BKB and TP out as he tends to, but it doesn't matter.
The heavy lifting is being done from X-XS and Mikoto to bring these targets down.
See how much they want to push it now. They sure they don't have the Aegis, but...
Storm's depth to 70. Could try and get that buyback out.
They can kill... I mean, anyone that catch in this call could potentially just insta-die.
Out of remnants actually on Makoto
Looking for support why
Shows pretty high that's aggressive
They also get the hookshot connection onto legs now. They'll try to have a way to the cocks interrupt the dive don't stare both support Scott
Super far forward on f y on a coddle
literally at the at the ramp as
Very aggressive posture and gets punished.
I bet he's in.
He's going to try and make the play happen here with the Avalanche.
So the guy who comes in, they're killed up near enough.
Get the 4th pick for the save.
Got the call there.
Now Rick makes the exit.
Nothing to say.
He gets downed.
WS again.
Has his number.
Don't stand in 6th as well.
They're diving in.
FY trying to run here with the Gremacade.
But McCutter's on top of him.
The chain's holding him outside.
And a fountain.
The 4th and dead.
Only Army left.
As he gets surrounded, killed off as well.
GG is called.
Arora will take the game against Xtreme, despite Xtreme's best efforts to try and hold this one off,
but they could never recover from this incredible lead that Arora builds up against them.
Just a total outclass really. Arora showcasing that they're just the better team in all fronts here.
They do give a couple little hiccups here, maybe one or two there, especially from Naifo on that bottom side,
but besides that, very well executed game and XG is looking very disconnected.
You know, tough day for XG again here today, and yeah, Aurora incredible stuff, and yeah, WS is Axe's.
He's such a...
He's pretty much found nothing to say every single time this storm could not catch a break.
Axe would always get the call. Aurora, they take the win.
Nothing to say. Definitely tried his best there.
Felt like there were glimmers of hope for the side of extreme gaming.
They're high ground defense. It was holding on for a while.
I thought when genuinely that there was going to be a bit more of a pushback, but in classic
Rora fashion they just waited out of it and then they go, ah, we'll try a second time
and this time we'll succeed.
Yeah, Xtreme may have had a glimmer, but Rora had a giant spotlight in their face.
This is, I don't know, Xtreme are just in caters right now, and I think Rora are maybe
getting a little bit of the mojo back.
They all honestly deviate a little bit in draft.
Now the first four heroes are the same, but the extra profit is a little bit quirky.
a tune to the situation with their respect.
And they played a solid game.
Yeah, it was just difficult for XG to play.
Obviously, early game, like with Kono,
the Phoenix supports that you're mentioning,
it doesn't really play into the map at all.
You can see from the highlights, as we've been talking,
they've been playing very easily for the map.
Taken the Twinkie, going for multiple kills,
WS, leading the charge,
you know, nightfall.
We haven't seen him on the profit yet in the tournament,
but it's a hero that he has played before.
And in this map, the lineup, it makes sense.
It's very aggressive.
He's happy to jump into fights,
the one that he dictates are good for him. Sure, there's like one time at a
twing gate, he doesn't press BKB and dies, but Aurora, they stabilize, they go,
you know what, let's just reset, take a deep breath, and then they go again. So it
kind of felt like Aurora's game the entire time, even with the little blips
of XG, it kind of felt like Aurora just was the better team in this best of one.
Yeah, and that feels good for them because now we're entering the element of
out-growth stage where all of the teams are playing their last best of one, right?
They really needed this to be able to put a bit more of a difference between them and the two teams that are going to get eliminated.
But when I see you showing like this, Quinn, a part of me is like, well, they're not really showing a team that deserves a second chance.
Yeah, I mean, you get the result that you deserve, right? It's best of ones. You play all your games.
There's no finagling or funny business. It's just you win a bunch of games. Other people win a bunch of games and whoever wins more stays in, right?
in right they have just not won very much because they've looked like this in a lot of their game so it's there's no
There's no chicanery. It's standard business like they're just not playing very well
Can you give me the definition of chicanery funny business?
I will not hit that
I thought you were building up to something else and the chicanery just threw you off God
A combination of letters in my first language that went straight over my head back to you now
Let's have a look at our group standings then because that feels like something we can break down a little bit easier
And I did mention that we're all of our teams are entering that last best of ones. Extreme Gaming now at 3 and 8
They're really hoping that both Glyph and Tundra get another loss for themselves or potentially even OG
Because then at least you're putting yourself in a position that Dr. Noistaddle might be able to barrel you out
Wow, that was a poem twister.
But you did great. Unlike XG's group stage, they finished all their games, right?
Because three and eight means eleven. Eleven means your group stage is done.
So now they are watching the rest of the broadcast in the hope.
Like you mentioned, they need other teams to lose.
No team in a competition wants to watch hoping another team loses.
Like, you kind of want to just own your own position.
You want to be the best.
So yeah, for XG, good luck. Have fun.
You just pretty much got to pray for the defeat of OG Tundra and Glyph
to kind of drop into the same pit that you were in.
Yeah, I did misspeak slightly because when you're looking at this, you might be looking at LGD right now.
Their score only has nine games.
They're currently in the tenth game over on the B stream up against Gandex.
If you guys wanted to keep watching a little bit of Dota action, that one is happening.
And then they will be playing again for our final best of one against Tundra.
So there is that one team at the caveat to what I'm saying of everyone's entering the final best of ones.
But ultimately, yeah, Aurora now finished.
They know what they're sitting and they can have a look at how the rest of the teams are going to level out the playing field
Yeah, the Yankees is getting Molly waft by LGD in the series
They're playing right now this LGD team continues to surprise me and also one last final shout out to Aurora before we move on
But I think this WS guy has improved like a crazy amount
We always talk about how there's very few offlaners in the field and he is a tier one player now
And I think that's not easy to reach to but he plays insanely solid every game
It's you never he never has some game where if you just like totally griefs
He scales really well, which I think a problem that a lot of core players have in that tier two range where sometimes they
Should have bad games that'll get the proper amount of items and they fall he doesn't have that
He's clutching out boys boys a beast and a big part of the reason why that team has been doing so well
I feel like we could say a similar story for a off-laner that's playing in our next best of one
Noticed right coming into Paris vision. We were talking about only 12 months ago
T was he playing in these teams that weren't really getting any chance or at least any distance in qualifiers joins
Jandex does really well, and now to its parry vision and is just one of the most recent tournament.
No, yeah, he has very much been a kind of rock for the offlane. I think his playstyle kind of
feels like a WS playstyle as well. Like he's ready to go in, be that aggressive player.
Of course, we've said this before, but for p-vision to have an offlane like noticed,
you know the mid to late game is more secured. You know he has that clutch potential.
DM in the past, he didn't have that clutch potential. He was more of an early game,
tempo, follow the script, win through him. So it's only, it's nothing but praise for noticed,
giving players like Satanic and no one knowing they can lean on him for these kind of big pressure games that you get at tournaments.
And it's a different lens that we have to look at their opponent here because Falcons coming into today felt like they were going to be a surefire top two team,
but they lost their other two best of ones earlier.
And I actually got to talk to snaking to break down what was having some issues and what were the reasons over this day number four result.
Um, I think we just didn't play very well individually in the in the two games we had today.
Um, of course, I think they were tough for opponents there.
They're middle of the pack in the leaderboards and close to the top after beating us.
So I think they just play very well while we just kind of fumbled the ball.
Obviously, we wanted to win because I think we wanted to keep our top two spot.
It's nice and cozy to be just straight into the quarterfinal.
final. So that's something of course we were playing for.
I can't blame him at all. That definitely is a nice position to be in. But the
opponents he's talking about is they open their day against Liquid and most
recently they went up against Betboom who yeah he was right. With that win for
Betboom put them at the top of the group standings and it was just a draft tea
that not a lot of us had a had a comfort or confidence in sorry.
Yeah Falcons is just like they're trying to pick Pangolier. They were the
I just want to see them have more conviction and more kind of pressure do you remember your take on on this draft clean. Yeah, I didn't think it was very good. I didn't like the viper. I didn't like the pangolier trade. Okay, I just wanted to, you know, see if you if you knew because I wanted to refresh everyone.
Remember your take on this draft, Clint?
Yeah, I didn't think it was very good.
I didn't like the Viper.
I didn't like the Pangolier trade.
OK, I just wanted to see if you knew,
because I wanted to refresh everyone's memory at home
about some of your take-some drafts.
I was correct about this game.
Huh.
That?
Definitely risky.
Double range lane.
Yeah?
Yeah.
That's affirming what I said.
It is.
Yeah, I expected to be that was tricky because I knew what happened in my head and now I'm getting played a video like I'm a bent like I've been caught but I wasn't caught I was
Yes, you just assume the last well you you you had a smile on your face like I was being I was being booby trapped there might be more to come be careful with
No, that was it. Okay. Oh, yeah, I didn't like the very trap very much. I as a as a general rule of thumb I don't like quadruples in a draft
So I don't like quadruple range or quadruple melee.
I think you generally want a three to split either way.
So it can be three melee, two ranged,
or two melee, three ranged.
But I think the four, the quadruples, I don't like them.
You know what I'm trying to thought for a second, I didn't hear.
With the, what was it, the three two?
It looked like I was throwing up gang size.
If that was offensive, I'm sorry.
I see there is probably a country out there in the world.
I'm sorry.
Oh my God, I'm really sorry.
Well, look, we'll just refocus on this.
Is it best of one to falcons up against Paravision?
Whilst we can talk about our thoughts,
whilst I was with Snake,
I also got to have some of his thoughts
about this potential matchup.
How are you refocusing and looking at taking
on this best of one?
I think Paravision obviously is the champions
from the previous tournament.
They are very formidable opponent.
I think we're gonna be kind of focusing
just around our team fight in general,
because I think we kind of team fight poorly today.
And against Paravision,
They're a very strong team, team-fighting fundamentally,
so we need to make sure we're on the same footing.
Now again, not to, you know,
I don't wanna think you're sitting you up for it
to be proven wrong.
Do you agree with what Snae's saying, that Quinn?
That Parisian are a strong team-fighting team?
Yes. Yes, I do.
Okay, again, no tricks of the trade here.
You need a book to put my hand on?
Yeah, swear it, an oath.
I think they are good at team-fighting.
Okay, we'll wait and see, Steve.
or P vision? Yeah, of course they're good at team fighting. They're pretty fucking good
at team fighting. Falcons though, they're not very good at team fighting today. They
also weren't very good at drafting today. So yeah, Falcons were, they look like the
underdog in this game based on today.
Yeah, so far, um, parry vision for their series, they also lost against Liquid, so at least
I guess that that's some confidence for Falcons fans going into this, that both these teams
have lost against Liquid today. Uh, the inverse of that though is, uh, parry also, sorry,
won against Liquid they lost against Spirit. Why do I feel this pressure this entire panel like
this is going to be like a like a big gucham over the piano. I'm not feeling anything. No but it's
just the intensity of like the layering, the talking about you know Quinn's clip you then you
ask me the same question based on Quinn's thing and I'm like yeah of course you know it's like
something's building up and I took an oath on an iPad. Any other tablet providers are available.
Um, yeah, like it's very scary. Not sponsored by the way, but it's kind of a bonus service
Um, we're gonna have a look at our today's results because I'm getting myself a little bit confused with what's happening over an a stream and b stream
And so I misspoke just then I said that parry also lost against liquid
No, it was actually spirit that they lost against we did uh cover that one
They then went on to win against liquid over on the b stream
And so this is where we're now, you know checking everyone's form in the final days of
best of ones. How are you getting caught lacking a little bit? Are you falling asleep at the
wheel because you know spirit up with trajectory, parry, half and half, falcons down with trajectory?
That's a lot of different lines and I think going into this, that's a lot. I feel like count to three
in this ecosystem. I think paravision are in a better spot heading into this. They have looked
better today. Falcons honestly has looked quite shaky and I think they have been figured out a
little bit in draft. I don't know if it's just a play mishap thing. I feel like people have also
to adapt to them better. And Paravision to me is one of the best teams at adapting and figuring teams out right now at picking stuff specifically catered to deconstruct you. So I want to see if Falcons can retain.
All that matters is either team winning this single game can punch their ticket to Copenhagen. So it doesn't matter about trajectories, it's just win this game.
I mean, not just that, making it to the semi-finals as well, right? You get to skip a lot of best of threes for yourself, so a lot is on the line for a best of one. Let's start our draft.
I've got to talk to Snake quite a lot and whilst we only really played two parts of
the interview I did ask him a little bit about the draft that you then mentioned right towards
the end. Quinn and I also wanted how he felt about the draft like how comfortable and confident
they were and he said that sometimes they are picking similar things but there is an element
of learning that comes with it. You learn a lot more in the losses but now that this is your last
best of one I'm hoping you're able to take a lot of those lessons and quickly adapt to.
Yeah no for sure. Coming into this draft I am looking towards the clockworks, the aggression
from create. I know I've been harping on it quite a lot but I feel like that aggression from the
four roll gives them a bit more life in the lane and then it kind of creates this domino effect
elsewhere that you know maurine feels happy because he gets to play with like the aggression and
you know then snaking also feels like he complements other things but it kind of all
fundamentally goes down to the lanes of falcons and the lanes that we've been watching today just
haven't really been successful like game one lich tiny gets an iodorn breaker. iodorn is going to
complete free farm that one in liquid and then of course Falcons Centaur had like a 15 minute
heart for BB in the other game so there's a lot of little moving parts but Falcons Lanes just need
to be just stronger in this game. I do wonder if Falcons just maybe isn't a second hit in that game.
That's what they've been on in the last two best of ones for today and it's felt like there's always
been a struggle for them whether it's opening and having a strong second phase or if it's being
gotten by that not being able to get sorry an impactful last pick
Unfortunately not out of the seven wins that they've got dang it. It's just a today thing second pick one is first pick
So unfortunately today, that is a problem. My apologies. Oh, that's that's why we had stats
I mean, they also didn't get clock working out of those games where I feel like they were getting clockwork a lot on the nine slot
And now they've gotten it again. Yeah
Which surprises me a bit that provision bands the tiny which is obviously a solid hero
But it's been beaten plenty of times the hero is clearly not impervious whereas clockwork
I feel like is the only melee for that Falcons have and they all also like clearly love it
So I feel like this may be a bit of a of a whoopsy letting them get the clockwork
But also if you are gonna first pick a shadow thing
Like you care about tiny I thought of the SSO the SF tiny carry a matchup is like as long as you have good detection
You know what time is coming from SF will be perfectly fine. You event you by satanic
You have like the big items to deal with what tiny has
So yeah, it really feels like a weird abandon, but we'll see if there's like some other kind of development in the draft to kind of go back to the tiny go, ah, that's why.
Yeah, I mean, it also in some ways forces you to ban Razor and, or sorry, Viper and potentially even Razor, yeah, they're going to ban both because you've got the clock.
You want the range to set up with it.
So now they get their enter their Chen also because the clockwork is through some of a lot of these are ripple effects.
ripple effects and it's a conscious choice I would imagine my preference. You know they're
going to pick Clarkwork, it's not some big secret. But it needs to be the ench in my
opinion out there too. I know Chen's very good for Falcons, but just the continuous
pressure Ench can provide, twin gate map move. I want to see the fight of an Enchanter rather
than like the utility and kind of the sustainability of what a Chen brings. But I honestly would
be fine. It's not as if Falcons would always make either work. I think I have a preference
of clock being paired with edge.
No, I think that is that is reasonable.
Clock Chen in some ways is quite a
it's like relatively passive game.
I'm Chen is just a passive hero.
He wins his lane and then he just vibes.
The entranches is much more
put on the pedal.
Puck ban is
I guess it's I guess it's a snap thing.
The banning plus for snap, I think that's the best.
I mean, Puck is quite good against snap
because even though you lose the lane a little bit in the game,
you're very good and
Playing against Puck who can't really die is just, it's just a recipe for disaster. At some point you're just going to lose the game.
Yep, and this is the same draft order they went through against Yandex where they had the clock on line, the open next phase with a snap fire.
So it's not as if this is like new territory for them in regards to draft.
So, they just kind of, the heroes come for themselves and for P vision, because you have the SF, you're looking for that strong laning support.
Of course they are a team that likes to play the witch doctor. I mean, this lane speaks for itself.
press melodic into double raise, you're probably gonna be dead, or running back to base. Throw
a coconut into the mix. You might even be, you know, dead to the right clicks as well,
so it's very, very scary combination.
Who doesn't love a good cheeky witch doctor?
Ah, fuckin' adore it.
It's interesting to me that nobody else has really picked up on a witch doctor. I haven't
seen a single other team play it. Compared to, like, I don't know, people are picking
Omni Knight, or Avenged Carry.
I'm the asterisk liquid one game plus five probably never again spear one game offline
I thought you're like plus five
I'd met more just like picking quirky heroes. Yeah, it's it's weird to me that no one else has picked it at all
the thing with which doctor is like it it doesn't have enough good stats that people go
I want to play it because it's just like you need your fire players who want to play it
It doesn't buy a patch notes convince everyone like warlock no one wanted to play warlock
But then people saw the numbers saw the speed of play they brought and then everyone had to play like which I think in the same
Territory is like warlock from two years ago. They're like it's pretty good for the lane and what the early game asked for
It's a cool hero. It's like you have to be comfortable. You want to actively play you could feel on this here
Yeah, relentlessly relentlessly like personal experience implied here. Yeah, which doctor's here that you suggest to
He's using slacks.
That's another school.
What's a different broadcast?
Yeah, for a witch doctor based reason.
There's only one witch doctor spammer allowed.
For a broadcast.
Broadcast. I've taken that slut, yo.
Okay, so what's the Amar answer to Shadowfiend?
I would expect they pick Offline here and save Carrie for last as they see the Carrie hero.
It would be a little peculiar to leave Offline for last.
for last. Shadowfiend responses, I mean historically, it's stuff like darks here, doubtful of that.
The ranged guys are gone.
What?
They do?
Really?
I mean, right.
Okay, but at least, ugh, really?
Okay, at least for the Mars, before you react and go, ugh Mars, there is plenty of damage
around it.
Right, through the stat fire and the fiend, it's very classic combinations for the Mars.
The problem with this type of lineup is cooldowns are a thing.
When you don't have mono kisses, when you don't have arena, what does your draft do is just kind of awkwardly shoves waves.
That is one thing to note for Falcons, but they do have very good teamfights, they do have very good ways to execute a hero.
And I'm expecting Mars probably to look towards like a yule's build. You can then catch the storm, you can be a bit more of a threat.
But yes, Mars has some problems right now in the patch. His laning presence and his ability to just do things is kind of locked into other heroes.
He's not as strong as, you know, Pachy before.
This is almost like an Ovo correction. They went from not really having any teamfight to being like,
Caravager loved the teamfight. We should just really draft around teamfight.
But he said they need to get better at it. A good way to easily get better at it is to pick
teamfights that aren't that hard to execute. If every Falcons player presses R, they might win the
fight. Okay. Yeah, it is a lot of R buttons. I just wonder if that actually does well. And if you're
If you're playing in Storm, a hero that's like pretty high tempo, you're going to lose your offlane 100% to Shadowfinn, which Doc, there's no question about that.
So then you're going to need momentum through other places. Either you win mid and you're playing to kill the Storm, or skitters getting involved.
But if you're losing your Mars lane, and there's an offlane pick coming here that presumably is good against Falcon's heroes, I don't know.
This Mars hero has just looked bad every game we've seen it.
That is a valid reasoning and analysis too.
And now Skinner also, I don't know the stats of course from the top of my head, but like
last picked Skinner for Falcons is just not a thing you see common, and I don't think
the stats reflect, I would assume, not positively for them.
You need to look towards the lane counters to announce of course the Autobahn of Necrophos,
we know that, then there's like maybe the Ursa, but we don't really see that here too
often nowadays.
Yeah, I also don't even know if it's that good against Axe, he's high damage, high armor, high regen.
All these things are good against Ursaub.
You want to check the Dota buff page, actually, what the top percent counters are to Axe?
I'm genuinely curious.
I'll give it a little Google it.
Thank you.
I do think that Axe has a little...
Falcons, I think, are extremely heavy in the teamfight category, whereas Paravision have practically none.
is it's it's weird it's not often you see that where one team has a blood load of
teamfight and the other team has none yeah so follow your question about acts
it's a lifestealer creates the biggest disadvantage for acts there's the band
yeah it would have been good yep then for other carries it's tiny that's gone
Abaddon here we don't see OG Natsumi did showcase it the other day did bloom
with it. Yep. Lundred is banned, then Razer is banned, DK? Is this available? It's an option.
It's an option. And then your Necrophos is banned. I'm not even going to talk about Spectre.
There's Spectre on the list. Yeah, and then there's an answer down there, but...
It's not that bad of a Spectre game. I would love to see a Spectre. They got some cool
issues for sure. I also don't know if Spectre can lean against Axe. Is that the other question?
Oh, to be clear, I would love to see a Spectre. I've closed my eyes on the look of the draft
anymore. I'm just talking to you, you know, just friend to friend, get a vision, get a vision of one
thing that's you just back there. Broder pal. Broder pal. Thank you. That's maybe Pete. It's
nice to say broder pal, not colleague to colleague, you know. Now we homies. Nice.
Oh, my God. I mean, this bird is good against the other bird. Because you stopped him from
squawking. It's a classic response to Phoenix. You got a long silence. Just makes sense. It will
would be good against him. At the same time, they've sort of quadrupled down, quintupled
down even on no team fight. So it's very lanes focused, very skirmish oriented.
I mean, that's where Falcons, I think Skitter just needs to play the hero that can like
just survive. Again, the problem is the lane is so strong, because like the old schools
like the Rage Kings, the Abadons, like these heroes are amazing in this game for the combo
break of this very single targeted initiating of P-Vision, right? The Storm, the Axe, the
sky even the witch of the all their game plan is blow up the hero and SF after
because thank you so much for killing that guy I can now play the four of the
5v4 fight I'm pretty happy now when this character I was getting a little bit of
like flashbacks that it looked incredibly familiar yeah well this line up is
almost identical to what Harry played against spirit today the only difference
is that they have a witch doctor instead of a Tramp protector that is the only
change in their lineup there and obviously what Falcons adopted for
themselves is very different to spirit, but their last pick and overall last pick of this
draft is now Venge.
They have gone for, like I've listed some of the old school versions of that, I think,
in the current patch.
Venge is rising in popularity due to the agonins playing against heroes like Doom and Big Burst
that you can just, oops I've died but now on my illusion I can continue to fight using
my right clicks.
I don't mind it because that's the type of hero I wanted anyways.
I am just really worried that Venge in lane, you kind of want to get through it because
you'll look like I am the carry of the lane I will click you. I don't know if you can do that into
an axe skyroft mage so that alone might put vengen a really awkward comeback position of farm
and I don't know if like tread specialist array is quick enough to come back farm against the
shadow fiend. And then even if you wanted to have your position 4 rotate through the twin gate then
you're leaving a maw is up against an sf which shocked him. Yeah you're gonna get like a maw will
be very upset the minute crit leaves him. Yeah. But if if crit is leaving to get kills maybe he
he'll be okay with it. But if Crit is leaving and he's dying and then he'll get in kills,
there will be some despair across the team.
It's uh, I feel like it there. I think Foghuntz have considerably better draft integrity,
meaning the heroes just sort of work better together, they have more cohesion, the spells
make more sense. Paravision, it's not a very pretty draft. It looks quite goofy and clunky
in a way that the heroes don't, they don't look like they mesh very well with each other
and they don't look that way because they don't. At the same time, they have much better
lanes and so it's a classic weather the storm game.
If this was a pub, I'd rather play Falcons drafts, because no matter what, the game's
going to last 35-40 minutes, and my teamfight and my general draft looks fun to play.
I've got stuns, teamfight and everything.
But I know my enemy team has a tilter on the team.
Of course, the lane's advantage of P-Vision, you just tilt that one guy, you know, the
army, and then you're going to be in a good position.
But yeah, for P-Vision, it is strong lanes.
Showcase what you can do.
Don't allow for, you know, the arenas and eggs and all this teamfight to just overwhelm
you.
happened. Just as for notices kitty cat bring him back. Did he just I wasn't
looking. The cow was on the desk and he picked him up and took him off because
there's only one thing that back at possibly mean it means that now that
the draft is done all of our players are ready and in a game and we get to see
who potentially could be topping the group stage after just the single best
of one.
Hello, hello, we have quite the game on our hands, ladies and gentlemen, and then Cinderan.
We have Falcons vs. Paravision, both teams tied for, it's a four-way tie at this moment
for first, which they really just care about top two in particular, tied at seven to three.
This could mean the difference between, well, why don't you explain how this works in the
ring, since you love to talk?
Right.
So if you're top two, you start in the upper bracket semis, which means you're guaranteed
top six for the entire tournament in June, that is.
There will be a little bit of a break after this, after the matches tomorrow.
If you're third and fourth, you start in the upper bracket quarters, which means you have
to win another best of three to get to the same stage that the top two teams are.
But effectively, if you get top two in the group, you skip a B or three.
That's the simple way of looking at it, and that can be both a very, that can be a big
advantage you get to see your opponent play first and prepare for them.
So Bethoom and Yandex are also seven and three, so we have to hold that thought as we might
have to.
So Peter, taking some damage will be fine.
So Betboom plays Glyph, and Yandex plays LGD, who are right under them at 6 and 3.
Realistically speaking, Betboom will win because there is a quality difference between
these two teams in this tournament.
There's no way about it.
I feel like Glyph had a good start and then they leveled down over time.
Betboom have been looking really strong in general.
They're 7-3 for a reason.
So if Bethel were to win that, there would be 8 and 3, and that means that only one of
the remaining other three teams could be... assuming it depends on some head-to-head
since cores, I don't know those first hand.
I think not updated.
I said LGD is 6 and 3.
Yeah, I think there might be a game behind.
Yeah, there's no way that's right.
Maybe they're game...
Maybe they're game if they weren't lost.
Yeah, I think their game with Tundra, or excuse me, their game with Yandex is just really
long, I believe.
It's ongoing right now, and it is currently Yandex favored.
So if that were to play out in the most likely way currently,
then Yandex would win in the 8 and 3.
So that would likely mean at least a three-way tie on 8 and 3,
given that one of these two teams will be it after this game,
and Betboom probably wins their series.
So what would be interesting to see, it's very close on the top,
not that often that we get ties for top two.
Oh, that looks pretty cool.
I think they've been owning it up.
We have some interesting picks in this game, as Mars, aka Amar, will be first blooded by
Ducalus.
And I've kind of talked about this being a bit of a rough land.
In fact, they were surprised that Mars was picked, even though Falcons are known for
this hero.
This hero just feels pretty bad, apparently, in this meta.
Do you agree with that?
It's not my favorite right now, at least.
It has its value and its moments, but knowing how this team functions, I think this is the
team that I would like to see pick Mars the least, which might sound crazy if you know how good a
Mars is, but what makes him good on this hero I think is what is a lot weaker about it now. I
think it's very hard to win your lane. And if you're picking into something like a Shadowfiend,
you know by default you're kind of just not only going to like lose slightly, you should lose
quite heavily. You put a Witch Doctor in the mix to make the lane even more one-sided and
yeah, it's just not a good hero playing from behind, especially for this team.
So I'm a little bit worried for him as well and the extra bad news of you will
You want to be really pessimistic about it is that his carry is a bench
So if you're off-laner isn't offering much then Benches very tempo based
That part of the game doesn't go well. What do you fall back on like can you win this game late game?
I don't know. Maybe snapfire is strong enough
But Skeeter getting chased with the battle hunger is snaking looking for the kill puts himself in a horrible spot
he's just gonna die looks like that's it was not yeah another two attacks on the
phoenix a rough start here for falcon on Mars I mean I would hardly the other I
mean you're talking about how the late games that and what happens if Mars has
a really bad lane with his bench can't bench just play a little bit more
aggressive earlier than the normal Skeeter type hero she can but my point
is like you look at risk or reward, right?
You're effectively, you're forced to be successful.
If you make early moves and they fail,
you just get out farmed.
Because Mars doesn't farm very fast when he loses his lane.
Bench doesn't farm very fast in general.
So, I just, I think there's a lot riding
on the first 10 minutes for Falcons,
and that's a concern that it's going like this so far.
So that fire is, at this point,
beating out Storm slightly,
but by a meaningful amount down bottom now,
This is what you need to see, rotation from snaking, taking out Satanic.
This kind of stuff is necessary.
You need to bring Amar into the game.
He's still going to be trailing, but now it's manageable.
That means that Skeeter is all alone in the top lane,
just taking a massive harassment against his husband, Skyrath Mage.
Yep.
That's the lore.
Where are they actually?
Wife husband, no.
They're...
They just flirt a lot, right?
They're just birds.
I don't know.
Skyrath is obsessive, Benj, and Benj is like lukewarm towards Skyrath, is my impression.
It's too cool for him.
Yeah, he's royalty. He's like the darts.
Some good things did happen in Crownfall.
I don't want to spoil that, in case you guys are going to interact with that.
I mean, we're not getting another event, so you can go play that anytime to relive the glory days.
That's right.
There's Malaraine being harassed.
I'm going to go for the cookie play, though.
Has Scatterblast up in one.
Nine class can take some heavy damage. No one does.
Come over though. Now Rainey, he's getting baited into this it looks like. No one's not level 6, but they should be able to chase him down.
One more right click should do it.
That's 9 class. It's the very valuable kill.
So now, does that change how the mid lane? It was kind of even-ish. Now Slyz is Lee in favor of no one.
This effectively, when we talk about winning lane, it's not from the way I think about it.
It's not that you win the lane if you have more net worth than XP. You win the lane
if you do better than the expected outcome. And this is a lane that I would say on average.
But you're saying both players can win mid with that logic?
No, because then the other guy does worse than expected if you do better, right?
You can't both overperform the expectation.
If the expectation is that the lane is 60-40, you can't both be 60-40, you know?
I mean, technically, with Malarine playing like a Sand King type where he doesn't even play the lane,
it is possible for both of them.
Yeah, then you can argue that there's no lane, so then nobody's winning because the lane doesn't exist
You always have a lot of land
Yep, satanic and a lot of trouble again completely out of mana gets speared to a tree dead Amar
Again much needed kill, but this is at the sacrifice of Skeeter level four on the bench right now
Notice as a total three game. This this lane is already over acts can do whatever he wants. Venge poses zero threat
You almost have Dom and this means that yeah
These bottom rotations from Falcons have been good and have helped bars
But there's nothing stopping nine-class from matching that aggression now X can just X completes lane 1v2 now
Against Bench Phoenix and still get farm. You just take a creep with Domin cut waves. So
It's it's a bandaid for now doesn't quite cut it though, I think Falcons need more than this
Damage rune on no one right now as he investigates the enemy triangle doesn't find anything to
his liking.
Interesting.
Crit little TP top.
Is he going to try to sneak the wisdom here or are they seriously considering killing
axe?
They can't do that.
They're not even close to the wisdom.
He TPed top to sneak alt.
Wait, what is the motivation here?
Is he anticipating a gank coming Venge's way and he's teeping to be a bit of a vanguard
here?
Because effectively the clock was just completely wasting his time right now.
Yeah, and that means that Mars in trouble, Maladik to Ply, he won't die from it, but
this is going to be some heavy, heavy damage.
They're eating his raindrops, so everyone is like tick.
Where are you, my friend?
What are you doing?
Yeah.
They were just so lagged that they ended up on the wrong side of the map, it seems.
He's going to survive on the Mars against these two melodic ticks, but I'm not sure
he won't have to use either the Lotus or the Wand.
This is a pretty strong melodic with two level three raises connecting during it in the early
part of it.
So...
I won't eat you, dear, but Morgan roommate.
I won't eat you, dear, but Morgan roommate.
My eyes are on Malarine for Falcons in this game.
I mean, it's not like it's tragically bad, right?
Maybe I'm being too negative and pessimistic
from Falcon's perspective.
I'm just looking at the lineups
and what I've seen work well in this patch.
And I already feel like Snapfire needs
to find a big place with clock in this game.
Venge will need space because she's playing recovery mode
big time.
She's 1,300 behind Axe, and that's seven, which is very bad.
And top three networks are on the radiant.
Their supports don't really need much network, so effective they're kind of low, doesn't really matter.
Skyrath can do a lot with very little with these teammates.
This is how I like to see Skyrath picked by the way.
I want, if you're picking Skyrath, it's a similar logic for me to when you're picking Dawnbreaker,
that it's really nice if the silence is good defensively against at least one hero.
But then aside from that, you want two friends to play with, and both Storm and Axe are insanely good setups with long enough duration lockdown.
You're gonna hit a full Mystic Flare.
I might actually see if he put into play right here if notice chooses to just go call over his old
The battle hunger
And he won't do it
Rather and there is the call but the mourners kisses now as Malrin makes his way over and notice should be dead although Crip might have to
Help out his comrades because Skeeter dies under the tower, no one with that damage is showing up and that means the axe will survive so notice
I'd have to
I
Vogue that gun license from grandma how awesome
Spray and pray right there for Melanie not the best accuracy a little off
One or two more
They do have good combos once the arena is online. Well, it's arena with obviously a blink
I would assume for a mar to get in position to use it, but they do have some pretty decent tools
They talked about the egg as well. They do have classic combos. Yeah
Shadowfiend is quite decent at destroying the egg now though compared to historically when you,
because now you're actually scaling Feast of Souls and gives a lot of attack speed.
So if you have BKB, something like maybe Mask of Madness, you can actually take out the egg very
quickly unless the arena is protecting it. So they do have options against it, but I agree the egg is
probably one of the key abilities here that Falcons can use to bring themselves into a better spot
fights. The sad thing about that fight top is not only do they not kill axe, but
Crit wasted ridiculous amounts of time. That was the play he was sitting up for,
remember? He was there for a minute anticipating that move and then it
happens and he still didn't even get the kill. Yeah, a lot of wasted time. No one
grabs a couple of nice bounty runes, forces Crit out who's still level four,
about to hit five. No one has a regen rune who wants to use this to the full
list that he can. Malorraine is who he has the sight set on. 9 class.
He's a really good backstab. No way.
As if in, there's the ancient seal. That is just too easy.
There's no one. With all this mana regen, we'll be able to snag that kill.
Such a strong hero pairing.
Storm Skywrath is insanely powerful, and it's about to get way worse for Felicans,
He's cracking level six in one creep on the sky.
Snapfire, a decently tanky hero, so it'll make them work for it, but next time around
that will be twice as easy.
And snaking.
Is he actually?
Okay.
No one was thinking about it.
Yeah, we talked about some of the Falcons combos, but you're right, the Mystic Flare
with Axe Call, a classic.
Yeah, what are you going to do against that before you get the big items to counter it?
Yeah, the usual solution that's to shoot his four staff on a support.
So probably going to be a purchase for the clockwork, I would imagine.
Phoenix is eyeing up an urn.
I can't say I love that. I actually don't think it's good this game at all.
I understand if you want the distiller, that maybe there's some value to that.
So try to find people in fogs, you can jump them with Mars and clock.
But yeah, if he just gets a casual urn, all of that's alive.
Computer it gets opened up on by no one mystic flair is there a good swap to try to keep them alive a little bit longer
But it is not to be it even a TP was canceled in the midst of all this
Bottom-land the trade is gonna be to call us if they can oh my god
That gun license officially gone. Oh my god. No way
If anybody had a TP they could just kill both of these heroes with some sort of like a storm TP
But it wasn't cool down for no one
Yeah, they're gonna make sure the tier one top gets killed off instead.
Got a lot of missponses.
I mean, it's something for Falcons to kill a witch doctor, but this is still pretty far below par 5k behind mid-11.
The makings of a complete curb stomp, you gotta get some leverage out of your team fight,
because it's what your lineup does.
The Skirmishing Power is actually not that good.
Usually I love Venge for that type of play, but it just doesn't have the best friends except Sapphire.
I think between her and clock you don't really kill between her and Phoenix. Maybe the supports can die
So you really want to see if you're gonna find a way of forcing a bigger engagement where you get to use the arena
Like you talked about Amar hasn't even skilled it, which I think is quite a tell level eight
430 holding the skill on
Should be able to burst him down eventually the swap on a short call who lays slightly Amar
leeching some very valuable xp, that's four times all banks will likely be the blink first for him
but now he has smoke. From the side of Paravision.
And as much as the Storm Skywrath combo is good, I think Storm Witch Doctor isn't much worse.
You jump in, you vortex someone, you hit Maldict into Death Ward, and the damage continues.
Yeah, this time the ballast can actually use his ult, it's crazy.
The last game we casted him on Witch Doctor was, looked like a tough time.
time. Oh this would be a big kill.
Contest Satanic Amar has the arena
skilled now. Gonna go for it with the egg
as well. That's a big one. Of course it
comes at a cost. Skeeter dies on the
other side of the map but one is not
equal the other right now. Right at this
point if you trade any equal quality
core it's good for Falcons in terms of
just raw net worth gained from it.
Satanic is worth a lot more than the
the bench, but he also has more buffer in a way. The bench keeps being slow to a crawl.
This is honestly going to be a really pitiful game for Skitter. I'm having a hard time seeing
his hero come online at all. When we see the hero do well, we've seen it picked against
like Doom, and then you get a fast specialist array into eggs, and you kind of dictate the
tempo of the game. Playing that hero from behind sucks. Snaking.
Goodbye.
I think I like some...
Talk about ancient skill being...
Called a chopped chicken.
Chop suey?
No, that's with pork, right?
Chop suey?
No.
Yeah, that's a great song, but other than that, no.
Yeah, it's also a dish in case you didn't know that.
I did.
I did.
I'm not sure if I've ever had it though, actually.
Maybe I'll have it tonight in honor of the song.
Thank you for that suggestion, Cinderhund.
I'm absolutely happy to help.
Satanic.
I mean, the thing with Shadowfiend, he can always farm.
Venge, you farm like garbage, then you get Specialist Array, then he can start to farm
a bit.
What's a bit better than garbage?
Uh, you're casting.
Oh.
Good one.
What's a bit better than that?
Hmm
Right
Cookshot to a miss
TP coming in crit and now ring gonna try to go for nine cuz he is super fast here in the water
One of these heroes is going to actually kill them have wings, but
It can't go any further man. Oh man
I'm not gonna notice choppy chop doesn't get it off actually
They die too quick for him.
We have to react.
They will get the counter kill on to the witch doctor.
Yep, lead keeps growing ever so slightly.
6k advantage for Paravision.
It does feel like they're taking all of the initiative, right?
It's...
To me, it's like the vast majority of kills at least that are happening on the map are on their terms.
Yes, they've bled out three deaths on Saint Panic, but they...
there's no like there's no real estate after you're not taking a tower as
balcony never in a position to really pressure anything extra which is in
large part a line of limitation your heroes are very bad at pushing there
yeah they're not even that like excellent at pushing waves that's another
downside to Venge compared to a hero like Shadowfiend she just takes longer
to really like Falcon's lineup you're a big fan I just think what I mean when
When you pick stuff like this, I don't think their lineup is bad in a vacuum.
It's just when this happens...
Gator, goodbye.
This is the problem that you're generally going to face when you go all out like this.
I don't conceptually think their lineup is bad against the opponents.
I just think if this happens in the first 10 minutes, you're in trouble.
It's just that simple.
You got outplayed in the laning stage and now you're paying the price.
And that's where other lineups such as, let's say the roles were reversed and our vision
and had lost their lanes a bit.
I think their lineup has the potential
to come back through plays easier in the mid game,
whereas the dire lineup is way more pigeon-old
from a disadvantage into effectively looking for,
I mean, do you see any other plays
that will bring them back
than a big five-man teamfight?
Looking at the heroes.
It's hard for Envision to get the Yule set up onto no one
with the cookie to follow up.
Do they have the damage?
No, not at all.
instead of Maladik onto Malrin with some death war damage to Booth,
misses his scatter blast and he is brought to an end.
And that's not all. Up top, skater is looking for the world record
on Ruffus-Carrie-Venge game. I've seen worse though.
I guess it could be in convention if this continues.
He does have a kill. What's his GPM? Let's see.
336
I'm carry that's not great
Not good. No
What was it the game we cast was that with tomatoes gyro that died ten times in the top half of the map?
Oh my god, he kept going back over. Yeah, I think
Significantly better because it was gyro
actually farm
This is
Making spotted silence dead more chicken
Well, that's kind of cannibalism for nine classes in it scarath mage eating chicken
Well, if you want to cannibalize then Phoenix is probably the best choice just gonna respawn the infinite chicken egg
Yeah, that would be incredible. He's never run out of food
misery for the Phoenix dying over and over is
more damage onto a mark
We'll have two Eul's.
I thought you had to go for Eul's before Blink by the way.
I mean he does this, but...
He does like it, yeah.
In a game where you're behind, do you think this is the right choice?
Um, I think it's okay.
There's a lot of added value to this item in this game.
You're good against the axe because you can Eul him on Blink Call.
It's good against Storm because it gives you a reliable way of setting him up first here.
You need the Honor regen.
It's definitely...
mind holy shit syndrome that's right ancient seal yeah that's the worst name
in the game it's like way too complicated they're gonna smoke up falcons are
do you feel like an ancient seal or something like that more like a bear
no one I thought they would try to call them I'm always gonna show up there's
who you are mystic player actually use this time they will get the trade which
is what they really wanted a phoenix for a storm every day of the week they will
take it but that might not be it. Unfortunately for Falcons they're gonna lose Malarine as well.
Skitter is trying to hunt the one hero he can maybe kill in the witch doctor but can't reach.
I don't think he can kill him actually. Probably has level three voodoo restoration so maybe not
actually. Yeah, I really don't think so. It's tough out there. Is it this, I mean, the game
is obviously not over yet, but this is, they're gaining like almost a thousand gpm right now
at this raid. Have we had a bigger stomp than this that we've cast this tournament if it continued?
We had one that was, it was like seven minutes in and you said this exact thing.
It's just crazy. This is two teams that are seven and three.
Yeah, that's what's more shocking about it because you could maybe understand this is if it was a top dog against one of the bottom teams
That's struggling, but Falcons are just having a really bad day
There are other game as well. It did not look good at all
Yeah, that is fair
And keep in mind center that poly market is the official prediction market of blast slam
You're a polymarket.com.
I don't want to predict what I'm having for dinner.
Chicken.
I don't know yet, so I can just make you be wrong regardless.
They're going to jump Mal-Rain.
I want the creeps to help him out just a little bit,
but he's going to get chopped to the ground.
And they take out Crit as well.
If you're using polymarket, hopefully you didn't do anything with Falcons.
Because they are getting completely curbsombed right now.
12k lead for Paravirgin. They're gonna get the first rush of the game and things are only looking up for them
Yeah, thank you item on the way here
Looks like any update on the other game. Oh, yeah, I could check that. That's true
It's still going very even 65 minutes 1k lead
Wow, so it's it's LGD versus who versus yandex
But it says that yandex has played 10 games and LGD has played nine
Does that seem right to you?
They can't all play at the same time the whole way through, like there's going to be one
team in the end.
I thought these last two games were the final games, completely.
Yeah, they should be.
I mean, maybe there's an error or LGDL playing back to back?
It doesn't look like they are.
I don't know.
Why don't you keep track of what's happening on the screen while I count the games?
Well, the other game they have left is Tundra.
Oh, they still have yet to play Tundra?
Yeah.
According to this, I could be wrong. You never know.
It'll be the first time no one...
See, yep, a rain engine set up when I took the hit.
Well, big kill off the no one.
Now people need a lot more of that to get back in this game.
That is a good start. Notice, they just can't bleed out like this.
This is the issue, that they just can't get a clean kill
without sacrificing something else so it's a mid for mid.
This axe is getting enormous.
He has the same net worth as Shadowfiend.
It's a 300 CS Shadowfiend you're tied with as axe.
Holy.
Holy poggers.
Holy basado.
This is a garth I've ever seen one.
Mar trying to create some space here.
I'm going to slow it a bit by notice who wants to close the gap.
He gets speared.
Meanwhile, the chicken will die.
Okay.
Gets off the egg, still will likely die.
They will.
That was really sad.
Prenshal swap tried to buy some time, but it is not to be a Skeeter now.
will be the next death for falafel looking for mar
notice
oh i missed the call
barely
yeah good attempt
oh there's a tornado enter
that sure is
who's gonna get this shired
sky or witch doctor
they're both very good
the skyrath one is the triple arcane bull
it's very good for farming
i think when you're playing from ahead
the skyrath one is probably the better one to get
But regardless, they're both, I would say they're both solid ones.
More upside with the Skyrath one, I would say.
Yeah, I would have rather seen that, especially with a 15k lead.
Then Skyrath can just farm a tawny, especially he has Kaia, right, so he actually can spam
your spells a lot.
With all the mana regen, maybe they would have gone Kai'San to beat up the Shard, but
for now he's curing up Blink, just wants to Blink Silence the Phoenix and the Venge.
Or the Snap for that matter, Malorraine is not even remotely close to BKB.
BKB for Saitanic, incoming still has Aegis for 2.
They've taken a tier 2 mid and how much more can they get with this Aegis?
Probably one more tier 2.
I thought I'm for sure.
Struggle for Falcons, I'm trying to imagine they're obviously not fighting into the Aegis,
but what do you do out there?
Like, let's say the Aegis is gone, what's the ideal fight?
Because that's the thing, when you're this far behind you need to start digging deep
and coming up with a clear strategy for, you need to envision a fight that you can win.
And then just gonna get eggs now, so that will open the door for a potential
Sacrifice play from skitter he's generally no stranger to playing the more sacrificial carry as we know
So maybe the way you start a fight is you swap in
Into a Mars combo. Oh, hang on
And rain one Maladik is gonna attempt to TP it off. No one there to cancel it though. He's dead
And no one with that DKB slacks. Adam Manneville has the gems. This would be a valuable gophe.
He could somehow get him. But ancient steel now onto the avenge. Counter initiation.
Crypt pushes no one back in. That's a damage steal. Too much to handle for Skeeter.
He's definitely dead to the double battle hunger. Nothing else.
Has the aggro set pronounced as a second life is there. But it chops onto Malrin.
And this is looking super bad for Falcons. As has the entire game for being honest.
as it's close to a team-wide only member alive is Crit on the clock.
Nice detail in that fight from Partridge, and they got Skitter low, and then they just delayed his death.
They went and prioritized other heroes, because they know, well, you've cast all your spells, so your heroes are bad,
and if we kill you, you actually get a better fight.
So, eventually they died to the Battlehungers, but it was after the damage was already done,
he gets a second life, that's kind of pointless.
man I'll say I was regardless who was gonna win this game I was never gonna
expect it to be this one-sided this is a complete smackdown nothing going right
for Falcons today it seems fortunately for them they're obviously in a good
score position in the bracket and the in the round robin here so they can still
start in the upper half but they would have loved to in contention for top two
Of course. Yeah, let's say today they lost to liquid and to bet. I mean these are tough matches, of course
Actually going down o3 today
After being the top of the heap
Sometimes just get out of bed
On the wrong foot. This is what happens when you don't have a y2000 with you. Yeah
Then you're a dick. Oh, I don't know if he's with them now
I just heard it on day one that he was not with the team at that time, at least.
Probably sick.
Maybe be at the LAN part.
Curtis has a very weak immune system. Every time I see him, he's like, I'm sick.
So it's either he's lying and he just doesn't want to say hello to me,
or he's actually just a very weak individual.
It's Crit.
And he gets swapped to save.
He's like a...
And he's like a hippie. I'm like, I'm sick.
No.
That's not what a hippie would say.
No.
He strikes me as that kind of guy, though.
would use that lingo while wearing a mask and coughing
with no emotion attached to delivery
uh-oh
Mar
Mar?
Oh man, he instantly uses the arena
we'll be able to get Scarlet Mage, no one focusing on snaking
we'll be able to pick it though
and the BKB on Stormuse
the first clean pick from Falcons in quite a while
only a support though, but gotta start somewhere.
Time for a wisdom steal for a good ol' Ducalis.
Nope, nevermind, they see a hero.
Nope, nevermind, they see the wisdom.
Nope, nevermind, they see the hero.
Nope, nevermind, well.
J.K. Lowell, there's nobody there, guys.
You're gonna take the wisdom.
We'll take it here on Witch Doctor.
He has a BKB, by the way.
You might've mentioned that.
did not 50 50 though I'm just covering my bases from here on out yeah just every
time that's just a calling card gets the extra four second melodic duration so
gives it an extra tick and that is very very strong of course and with the bkb
his death ward is actually extremely reliable the only things canceling it
are hook shot and swap and if you're using that on the vent the witch doctor
I think you're more than happy as part of vision.
Alright, it's gonna be fun.
He's gonna get the BKB, huh?
Yeah, the BKB does nothing, but it's still a trait.
As Crit taking tons of right quick damage,
we'll have to leave Skeeter to die at the blue.
We're not done yet here.
No one has a lot of mana and a haste.
Egg now or never, and it doesn't matter.
He's dead anyways.
Mal'Rain will be next on the list.
A little bit late on initiates from Maar, this might just be a fun one.
I mean, not to be overly negative, but they're fucked.
Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Very eloquent, as always.
It's just not good. There's not much to look forward to for Falcons.
The early game had to go well, if it not, therefore they couldn't really play the mid game.
They have lost everything in this game. They lost at the lanes, they lost at teamfights,
they lost objectives, they've taken one tower at 30 minutes, um, and some would argue they lost in
the draft, but I, I don't think given these lineups if you played this game 10 times that it would
go this way half of the time, I don't think so I think there's just gonna, it's just been a bad
game and it happens and clearly just a bad day for Falcons.
I'm going to have to buy back onto the Mars, but what's that kept evaporating?
Holy shit, absolutely destroyed, the illusion is there now, but he's just going to die a
second time a good spear from a Mars, but no follow-up at all as more buybacks being
expended as they are just dropping like flies, Gigi's called, come on, wait, stomp from
Paravision have a dinner booking at six so
Back to hurry up and execute this in 30 minutes and in a rare sighting in this tournament a more than 1,000
GPM when
31k up 30 minutes crazy
Crazy stuff really well
What does this put them in the standings?
8 and 3. That was the last one.
8 and 3, yeah, Falcons dropped to 7 and 4 after all of that, but looking forward to seeing or hearing the breakdown from our fellow panelists on this one.
Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Falcons came in today looking like they were going to be able to secure top one, two for themselves, but now it's a question, are they even really going to be making 3-4?
3-4 while I'm sure if we looked at the group standings that would give us answers there
But let's break down this best of one against parry just how good parry vision look there
And I think it's honestly quite frankly illegal to give satanic SF
You just cannot do that with this man. What do you want about that the carnus witch doctor?
Okay, I'm a much of a witch doctor lover is you all but even I'm gonna be real about what carried this game
Yeah, exactly the witch the maledict Amar he turned purple
He had like food poisoning the entire game
He couldn't do anything because of course yet. I mean yes satanic shadow fiend. He is an absolute menace
He's extremely good on the hero this entire game with born peevus and knew what they had to do in the lanes
They just broke the lanes really nicely and they just continue farming throughout the game
Like I just didn't see any fight in falcons once again today
Yeah, I feel like I mean we talked about falcon drafting
I to me the biggest factor is that I feel like skitter does not really have a hero pool right now
He's kind of got tiny obviously plays that but when it's banned his follow-up is alchemist
but Alka is not good at every game and if it's not a good out game what on earth is next because he didn't do anything this game on
Venge this is a last pick Venge and
It looked like it was first pick Venge in terms of impact
I mean we also talk about Shadowfiend and the witch doctor right but the stat lines have noticed the 1019 no one 8215
Even 9 class the 4120 on the skyroof mage like you know, they were just all doing extremely well in a 3210 game
You could say that about anyone that's what I'm so I'm just covering all bases
it adds up. What happens if, you know, we don't talk about it? We have to mention all
five heroes to make everyone happy. We just did. Now we can talk about the heroes that
we care about.
I mean, I partly agree with what you're saying on Skeeter and his hero pool bet, but at the
same time, like, you're putting yourself in a position that you're lost picking his hero.
And if you truly believe that, then you have to promote it and take it earlier. But instead,
you're willing to put a lot more in an imam ma as a hero that just, quite frankly, isn't
doing well this patch and I feel like he has a big hero pool so why don't we
leave him off to be a little bit later. I agree. I totally agree. I feel I mean I
also don't know if this snap picked like that is that impactful. There's not been
that many teams that have had success with it. I feel like Thalgons it can work
but it needs to be in the right context and this was not the right context. But
no I agree I don't think skitter in this patch should be last picking a zero. I
feel like it should be second phase or even first phase with Tiny and I feel
like you should be playing Alkstraps more that look pretty good for them. Maybe
They're just trying stuff like you said and it's and it's it's just a group stage thing and it's all he xd memes guys
We're gonna try 3-star, but I was working on enough members of Falcons to know that yeah
I don't think so
You gotta you gotta fix this crap cuz like this is ridiculous
But it's also like the battle of like the offlaners right like we're seeing acts be popular throughout the entire tournament
But it's an idea that Amar isn't really trying to play noticed on his acts versus you know, there's the skid of Venge
There was a big disparity in the fight. We were very worried about the Venge pick
I even said the drop like I don't want them to pick Venge
I just don't think he's gonna be able to win the lane and that very quickly happened like the actress took over this entire game
He was like doubling the net worth like the stats just reflect that the pictures did not work at all for thousands
That's the life and you can see it here. You know what? Let's also show you some stats right 20 minutes into the game
This is your event. This is this is honestly kind of looks like a like a support bench kind of inventory, right?
Maybe not maybe the pause for grief of inventory, but still yeah, this is your carry. He's got one kill five deaths
Look at the hero damage now, 2,340 hero damage.
That's a major problem from the carry roll at the 20-minute mark.
When you look at the axe, at the exact same minute mark, this is a completely different story.
Even though the hero damage isn't that crazy, just look at the economy, the helm of Dom, the blink, the BKB.
He's kind of ramping up, ready to start taking over the game with the six kills.
It's like, it's such a major difference and you saw the axe the entire time.
There's not a surprise counter pick axe.
They could have picked so many other heroes to shut him down.
They picked Venge, they lost lane, they also lost the game.
Did they see Axe wasn't picked that early on?
It was picked on 18 and they 24 picked Venge.
Yeah, I mean I don't agree with the 24 picked Venge but
there wasn't that much wiggle room to really shut down Axe,
but noticed on Axe is also just a different beast.
I think even if they pick it earlier for him,
I still think he gets this good of a game.
Yeah, I mean the other big problem is it's not fully on skitter.
I think like snaking has to leave very early and go try to bail this Mars lane
because they picked Mars into Shadowfiend.
That's what I'm saying!
I agree with you. Let's be perfectly clear. I'm not defending Mars. That here was absolute dog cheeks
But I also don't think the vengeance is very good. Yeah, there's a plethora of problems here
We're probably in a hard place or a ma a ma's at a bench and a bench place
They have to debate which one was worse or maybe both were equally as bad
But like between those two components of the draft it just can move tumbling down very quickly for them
It's a tough one amazing work by parry as well
because you did argue that there is a potential moment
in which Falcons could have been able to do something.
So the fact that they have such phenomenal lanes,
but never let off is the other thing.
I think it is very easy maybe to get into a position where,
yeah, we're leading, yeah, it's commanding.
I don't think we'll give this away anytime soon,
but inadvertently, you do.
And so Power Division don't even have to tame that idea.
Yeah, they're just a clutch high-skill team.
I think it's very rare they give away leads
set up before the game started.
And I think it remains true that this is not the team
that you can give them that early start and then be like, ah, yeah, guys, it's fine.
Like we'll just we'll spirit our way back.
I think spirit may be the only team that can do that because they're just they're the best
comeback team ever.
And I think apart from spirit, I think it's very, very difficult to actually claw the
game back from the precipice versus team.
They will they will push you over the edge, move fossil style, and there's no comeback.
Straight off the cliff.
Now normally I would be looking at the group standings and then into what is going to be
a lost best of one, but we can't actually get to that best of one right now because
over on the B stream. One team, LGD, that is supposed to be playing up against Tundra,
is still going in their earliest series up against Yandex. And yes, this is live, and that is a
position five axe that you're saying. What minimak is it? Cause I can't actually see that.
He's not plus five anymore. My brother's got a refresher shot. He's got a rape here as well.
Like he's very much, he's part of the core gang. Everyone's a core. What is that? What is 85?
85! 85!
They're at a 85 and then you add a pause on top.
That's because KJ's busy playing.
Sorry, sec.
He's P. He's for sure P.
Do we have player cans?
Check him bottle. Check, yep.
Whoa, yuck!
Do you guys remember that time in DPC?
Yep, scared. Yeah.
That's the reference.
I know.
Literally, yeah.
I remember working that series. I got PTSD.
But you can see ever since PTSD.
Hey!
Can we mute his microphone?
Did you not see the trend though of the bottles that players drink out of they exponentially got bigger after the skitter situation
They're making sure that Queen can't speak on this. That's very fun
If I will close enough when you can still use my mic brother. Hello. Thank you very much. They're okay. Oh, yeah, we're on camera
What's kind of like we kissed from that to be our
This dude don't the blood social media is gonna make like a
Stop stop
Don't make an edit of T and I falling in love
That's Quinn right now. Oh shit. Oh, well. Oh wait, you know we do have that clip from the
Singapore summer as well. I don't know that one. Oh the content is I
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, oh
We don't have to bring it up again. It's okay. Are they actually paused in an 80 or faster start the game press the button
They're serious behind as well right because we're moving to our final series and they're still on what the third loss series
They're on the third loss
So they're on the Yandex LGD and I do know that our cost is syndrome and sudden span apparently have issues reading a
Schedule so they were wondering why it is that LGD only had nine games to their name
Whereas every other team had ten I did explain earlier that LGD still have to play up against tundra again
That's why we're in this situation of checking in with the B stream
They still have bet boom up against glyph to go and the their final best of whatever in the B stream is going to be liquid up against
OJ
That's good. Yeah, sounds good. I'm gonna put production in the hot seat right now and see if we have group standings at all
Maybe perhaps could I request that one? Yeah, look at that
Again whilst LGD have not only this best of one to close out. They have one more
Everyone else is going on to the final iteration of best of ones as if the bathrooms and parry vision
That was the last time they play in group stage and well luckily for parry
They're eight and three so they're in a position where does this genuinely secure them one two?
No, yeah, next could win and bet them could win which also put them on and yeah, it's
This is I mean an LGD LGD as well the six three if they win this epic game
Seven well, okay, so the LGD win this then yeah next couldn't be eight and three
Oh sure because an LGD take that place instead sure
But then we'll be LGD in the bad boomers, right? Yeah, but LGD have to them win against tundra as well
So if you're a Paris vision fan right now, you want LGD to win this one and then lose against Tundra
That's also yeah, very fair or have Dr. Nushda will smile upon them
Because the doctor is looking at the bottom of the bracket right because when I last check Tundra and extreme have 10
Imaginary doctor points for that means and then glyph has 12 imaginary doctor points
So if you are a glyph man, the all they need to do is win
in.
Brab the doctor.
Yeah, Brab the doctor one.
Beat BB, who's a top two team, because if you're Glyph, if you've beaten BB and Falcons,
the doctor probably will look quite fondly at you and ensure that you aren't in the bottom
two.
So Glyph, you might look like you're down and out, but win that best of one and the
doctor could put you into the next phase of the tournament.
That is a lot of what ifs.
And if you like to look at what ifs, then you guys can head over to polymarket.com.
We're going to see the what ifs of who is going to win Blossom 7 where people are putting
their predictions at the moment.
And I feel like when you factor in the group's standings there, maybe if you looked at the
start of the day, it would have been way more favorable for Falcons.
But now I believe, who is the highest percentage?
It's looking like Paris Vision at 37%.
Nah.
Honestly, I have no idea.
I think the tournament so far has been really just beautifully competitive that the best
of ones have put the teams to the test.
Is that Tundra at 17?
Uh, where? Or where the bottom?
At the very bottom. Sure.
Yeah. Just double checking my eyes are working.
Yeah, I mean they are currently close to elimination, but again I feel like right now in how the tournament is shaping up, it is anyone's game.
I could see P-Vision winning, I could see BB winning, I could see Yandex winning.
Even Falcons, even though they've been having a bad day today, they are just like one change away, so it's very even.
But could you see Tundra winning at a 17%?
I mean anyone can win a Dota tournament. I think Tundra's been a bit...
That's true, Quinn didn't win quite a few of them, anyone could.
Yeah, literally anyone, yeah, exactly.
Deep breath, you keep that up, keep that up.
Thank you, Ben, I will keep that up.
Good.
Cool.
So, that comes second nature for me.
But yeah, so you guys can head on over to the poly market there for the predictions.
It's interesting to see just exactly where things change throughout each day, each group standing there.
What about Yandex and LDD, do we have an update on that situation for B-Stream?
Is it still paused by chance?
No, we can't just start the game.
KJ surely has finished going to the toilet.
We don't even know if that's a reason, by the way.
Just a disclaimer, we don't know if that's a reason.
We know if that's a reason.
We know he's gone to the toilet.
We know he has gone to the toilet.
KJ, okay, every game you watch that goes more than 40 minutes,
when the game ends, look at the player camps.
My guy is not in the sea.
He has gone to the toilet.
He just has a weak bladder. It's okay, it happens.
We support him.
We're on body shaming.
Yeah, it's unpost it is resuming so whether you want to listen to us if you guys want to head on over the stream
Either way, we're gonna be having a look at it
Seeing how it's wrapping up there because by the way if you looked at the mini map. Yep
It has not changed on the side of LGD
What's the mega creep situation that is your eyesight better than ours like is it megas vs. Megas?
Oh, so they're not showing I cannot see because there are so many heroes in the dire
But it is
So LGD have
Those are both megas
I was saying megas vs megas
I didn't say that in a while
I don't say 44 kills to 41
That is just peak doda 2 right now
Dude look how naked Wynne are just inventory is
She had like blink wind waker
Yeah look at this
At like 900 minutes
That is a lot of nothing in the inventory
But that's the problem with late game doda right
support someone needed to help yet you have to carry gym or you have the
detection or there's a lot of questions but we'll let you guys enjoy all of the
action there we're gonna listen in and when we do find a conclusion of yandex
LGD will be sure to check back in with you the trees but they don't actually
make the play they were trying to zone out this pestle but your base to get a
beating from the the summons and now you got a cut and run the rest of team
have to go back so a nice attempt from Yandex but they cannot find the angle. Good support
positioning here from the set of LGD and Roche on once again stuck in his endless cycle of living
to die. Alright this seems like a good time to pitch some more Roche ideas then. I'm telling you
We need a trebuchet
They don't be lovable from being high ground
They happen on us. Yeah, the Wyverns coming over. I think to try and scout this one out, maybe
And they're playing careful, but they're gonna do gross instead
Barely didn't get in range to see the Ward century on my ground
Could be game winning
Opening
right someone should get that refresher shard I don't know who but it does seem
like a pretty good item truly what slot are you replacing that this point I mean
you can just keep it in snapfires like back-backed area I guess you already has
one axe has a refresher shard a wind ranger has a refresher okay there's
actually just there's no fresher shards there's no space one for why we must
combine them into a trebuchet whose ammunition is cheeses and refresher
shards made from banners and that will force the fight because right now you're
too scared right we're just sending in summons they got to hide the refresher
shards somewhere so that gyro can pick it up just hide it on the back line
yeah just a little stashes around the map oh yeah yeah yeah cheese on the
ground drop an item pick up the cheese eat it drop pick up your item again
yeah Texas out looking for you ma so they need a blank call oh there's even
more kisses he's pulled so far in he's gonna keep himself alive with the satanic
for now but the big wrap with the back what did he just did?
not dead
whisper rips him apart Shadowfiend is dead does have buyback a lot committed you
You haven't burned the Aegis of the Gyrocopter.
Viper needs to be careful.
They're trying desperately to deal with these summons.
Little Shutter hits for 1,000 per hit now.
He's looking for the call.
He's going to go.
Shirley, no blinking.
Viper's starting to cheer Junior nicely done.
The cookie, no, they end up just saving him for now,
but a nice hex on the Gyrocopter.
They try to toss him the Lotus.
He's going to die.
Aegis down, and Bi-Vac is still up to get the Viper,
though the little Shutter.
KJ is gonna go down as well, the Biobax coming through, two heroes back in, Axe gonna join him, Yuma roared up, Nullified up, pops the Satanic, tried desperately, but hexed up now as well, they gotta get the Gyro into the fight, Mortarikis is raining down,
Go for it! The banner's given the creeps alive!
Gyro's gonna die!
They are holding on Yandex. It costs two co- like, big buybacks.
But you get the Gyro and you get through the Aegis.
I'm gonna pass the Altec.
Take a breath.
Take a breather.
Alright, who's- who's divided?
I think that was Axe's divine, now down on the ground.
No more 800 damage calling, Glade.
They put the banner down,
but they still couldn't really hit the buildings too much.
And I was wondering if Gyro just buyback and command,
but I guess, you know, it's scary,
you're gonna wait for them to come to your base.
The Gale Force actually made some of these
Mortimer's Kisses a little harder to land.
I think they could've killed Chirra Jr.
Watson almost instantly got killed when he jumped in.
Did eventually die.
And I don't think Whisperer was ever able to find an opening with this double divine, which he still has, plus the third in the divine regalia, except he has timeless.
What's the new enchantment can we get?
Okay, what if you just take base attack time reduction at this point on...
I mean, you could just go the primary stats as well.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now, but the spell and based on Mortimer's Kisses of Refresh is probably still more than that.
Yeah, also a debuff duration for stuns at this point.
Pretty good at this point, yeah.
Do you really need two seconds to kill someone at this point, you know, who knows who knows
All right Yuma not forced to buy back
Still in here. I
Don't know. I haven't seen anyone in queue of a Halloween over
Where is it?
18 madstone on the wind ranger by the way, we're almost there it took us
30 he could have revealed it three times at this point man. He could be at 60 plus primary attributes
He's at 60. So like every time it's going how does he get it's like 40% each time, right?
I'm too excited to do that math, but he has 50 all stats from from it currently. I think
He could be at like 200% bonus. Yeah, and he can change his evolved enchantment to
his boss plates off
They're going for a sneaky play, but they haven't found anything.
They are not realizing Yandex is just sitting in their triangle.
This would be the craziest wraparound.
They might run into Watson.
He's actually positioned in a decent spot.
Dude, if he comes to the low ground, at all.
He's back away at the rolling time, KJ.
He's in disco.
He goes and gets the call, looks for the Beastmaster.
Trowel's gonna blink in, but there's gonna be a great cold embrace to keep him alive.
the winters curse is at the ready but Yuma he's so low he needs to pop the
satanic he does but he's taking a ton of damage and he's gonna die they take down
the winter wyvern that's a dieback they buy back on the beatmaster to get the
the kill on the whisper and yet double divine rapier hitting the deck
I
Dive on the why her do you buy back and just go
But the enemy has no buyback on some of their cores either
Surely someone's gonna I mean actually the divine rapier is kind of just useless like no one can actually put it in their inventory right now
Maybe viper, but I think he actually needs all his items like the hurricane pipe is what killed the gyrocopter there
I was gonna whisper with a little timid to jump in there like the whole team was going he did the one Mortimer's kiss
He didn't want to refresh until he was like little shredder refresh little shredder mortimer's
But because that he hesitated and then he didn't really get any of it off no double mortimer's no little shredder double divine
Hold on cheer up shackled up hold back. He's taking a lot of damage needs some help
Get it for the moment
Live on in looking for this. He's taking a nice reflected roar
They're holding their buybacks as long as possible. Your throne is exposed. You've got to stop this
Blink and call in comes
The snapfire, but does she have the damage more than her kisses are just over a second
They just walk away. They finally cracked the tier fours
You mahol tears by that
All right breathe, how's everyone doing?
I can't breathe bro, I'm struggling.
In other news, the Olycors still has not rebuilt the city, it's awful.
Come on, get the camp here, get the camp, get the camp, you're so close.
The Olycors, please!
Alright he's scouting the divines in the back and he's like yeah we never had a chance
to get these.
We bought another divine rapier.
That's why there's no money for Theolokor.
There's no helm of the overlord.
I feel like they should have bought back a little sooner because actually the game does
get harder once the tier 4 is down.
Oh there's one back here as well.
Oh this is his secret stash.
I got ya Tylong.
I got ya.
I
All right, is this this is gotta be the longest game that's tournament at this point right there's just no pretty sure
I saw this is slam history all
Slam 7s. This is the longest and we're only halfway through it
It's a 40,000 gold advantage most are taking some B stream games over to a
Okay, all the teams that are watching, waiting for the set, please someone build a helm of
the Overlord.
Surely when you get to 100 minutes, someone's got to think about putting this in the backpack
and it does something.
Tylong has Octurine Butterfly Lincoln's in his backpack.
And then he's swapping them out every now and then.
He's swapping Octurine in to throw the ult and then back out.
with the overlord.
I.
He's got it.
It's hilarious, man.
It's just like two immovable objects.
OK, look, look, look, win ranger.
Enchanters, Bobble, I'm not kidding.
This is the infant scaling.
Take debuff duration.
Take primary attributes.
I don't care if he is at like 400 percent bonus
on this Enchanters, Bobble.
He has like a 10 seconds.
I'm on chat with the Stygian
They get the catch on occasion and I'm just gonna protect him
But they found the Likor as well as gonna pop the BKB. He cannot get out both supports likely to die here in less
No, they're able to chase them on cheer junior. That is a dieback on the axe
Hold up. He's alive on the Likor. He gets out
No axe buyback is your one BKB piercing stun though. This is very scary
35 second cooldown.
But they're gonna want to wait for Rush.
I can't believe we waited all this time for the Enchanter's Bobble to be recrafted into a Stygian.
I think he realized he was never giving any bad stone to craft it. He's like, okay, never mind.
But I wish they had committed to it. I wish they had done it.
Or I think someone else also had one earlier, and I wish
Major's Prophet would have been a great
candidate for it, actually.
I mean, no team probably really plans for like,
well, what should we do in the double mega's 80 minutes, guys?
Should we make sure our nature's mid has enchanter's bobble?
The nones really prepped for this.
They're all flying by the seat of their pants.
Yeah.
I mean, he was getting, I think the actual number was 36
all attributes from it.
He would have probably pushed it up to 50 at that point.
So I mean, it's a lot of stats.
Don't get me wrong, but whether or not
that's worth it over Stygian, I don't know.
You start at 10% and you go by like what, 40% each time?
Yeah, so it would have been 90% of the value,
which it would have been 90%.
90, 130, 170, 210, we're reaching the point.
You see, they don't play enough Herald games.
They didn't see that reddit clip
where the zoos have like no cool down ult
and it's just like ult, ult, ult, ult, ult.
They got to think that far, man.
Sometimes the Heralds were right.
They had it right.
much like Roche on we're all stuck here in purgatory watching him die over and
over
dog over make it a bit too late down there now
you know some games have like you know some games have like hidden Easter eggs
that's like wow can you believe in ten years this was never found until now
maybe Roche, maybe the 20th Roche actually does just drop a catapult, like a mega catapult,
Trebuchet. And no one's ever made it. No one knows.
You and I have said for a while, 4th Rochon should drop a Trebuchet, 5,000 range attack
that drops molten boulders that pierce natural protection. That's what needs to be added.
Yuma, Mid lane, Hexed off in trouble.
Look at the Wind Waker out to try and save him.
Sheer Jr. still has his Aegis to play around.
Doesn't mind losing that first flight,
but there's gonna be the Winner's Curse.
Find some space.
Tylong almost gets completely killed by the Green Esper.
Oh my God, goodbye Shadow Fiend.
And now they've gotta get this Viper out.
They're gonna jump in aggressively.
Dive the back line to Wind Waker to make some space.
Winner's Curse goes right through him.
Highline fold back in but they will finally bring down the Viper and
there you'll be given the block!
Whisper is just destroying them!
Looking for the openings!
That's with only one, two.
Alright, back into the base guys.
We can't really use Gary to buy back and push.
Get back in here, get back in here.
Wait for next Roshan.
Oh Ricky, I don't have my backup backup backup divine ready on your leg, I got our 9th divine
rapier out here.
You're playing safe.
I mean, the call from KJ, we've set it over and over again, he has been on points with
him this game, it just sets up for a perfect kill out of the shadow feed, and the old man
on his horse is getting put down.
This is with only one divine, so imagine when he actually has two divines and then he actually
uses that because the only time he had two divines he just got killed he didn't do anything
I'm boy he's reprafted divine regalia and evolves he's back
I'm stuck back at his second divine regalia
oh god
no one can do anything like no one wants to buy back right now you've like
four cores are on the sideline we're just gonna jungle
some of the messages teams you guys know you're not eliminated if you lose this
just the next bathroom break honestly just try some stuff you're allowed one
per hour I didn't get to go last time
caster pies where's the caster please
I love this stuff I'm begging you block of cheese hold on there's just a free block of
cheese on the ground here okay let's talk about that too late game cheese is too hard
to use actually it's too hard because no one has slots for it they always just end up sitting
in the base and the backpack you need to be able to feed them to allies like Linus I think
That might make them too strong on the third roche, but clearly as we look at like fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth roche onwards,
they're useless. And that's why we use them as ammo in the Trebuchet.
A new level of gravity.
Yes, yes, of course. The block of cheese is done for whoever wants to use it.
Guys, would you believe it if this game makes it to three hours, the next patch is dropped?
It's came easy three hours. I am missing my flight to a wedding, bro
They'll understand
Yeah, I'm sorry. Just play this at the place for the cocktail hour
Or here we go, you know who's got two to bind Malady. I have no idea, bro
Yeah, Malady does you right you're right. They saw whisper
All right, the third time of making this high ground play they're gonna find nature's bro
All right
The real treat basis a couple times and it keeps working
Okay, they left an observer in the base that might be the true big win
Respect us back-to-back smokes into the base
Yeah, they know they're like there's gotta be a ward here. There's no way they make this play without dropping a ward
They're in a really good spot here. You gotta be careful. Yuma Yuma
Okay, he's fine. Just to blink out win the Ranger pops the win the waker
But she's gonna get caught. Heck stuff. Viper strike is out. There's gonna be Yuma's just getting soloed by the Wyvern
What the double divide rapier Wyvern just solo kills the gyro
Oh, why weren't hits for a thousand damage, bro? This is core. We're all cores on this blessed day
You'd better be scared of everybody
Okay, where's these backpack refreshers stick this in my mind get that winter's curse
So many divine rapiers on the ground right now
They're trying to beat the divine rapier, but no one even cares like what do I need that one?
They're gonna buy another I got another
Another one in fountain and 10,000 gold lading. Do you think I care blink call on a cheer junior?
There's gonna be the Mortar Macissus and cheer junior needs to run
It's not looking good
He wants whispers so
They've got to get out now in comes you might delete the
Wind Waker wants it on the RSA tank, RSA tank, who's gonna win?
It's looking like it's LGD for now.
Tyla grabs the backlight, gets on top, so socks up.
He's dead, Wind Waker cannot keep him alive.
Four dead, Akal's gonna fight DM as well.
This is a massive grab.
Die back on one, they're so desperately trying to find a way back into the game,
but LGD may have done it.
A full Team Wipe, a six hero sweep, what?
Focus on us are gonna do so much damage now. He's got two divides. Finally is my turn with the mines
There's just look at the recap for what are these numbers? These are fake numbers
Zero XP because everyone's level 30
I'll see you guys in like 10 minutes. I gotta make the bush. Well, dude hold hold Tylon Tylon. He finds them
He gives up so that you just keep these out
Byebacks, byebacks, they're looking.
He's got no clue about who he's out here.
Alright guys, we got their byebacks.
Good play, let's get Roche.
Okay, we thought he was going to stick for this.
Yeah, I thought he was too, but he got scared, backed out.
This might just got so chaotic, you were able to jump in,
a little shredder, 2v1 on the SF, it's not fair.
There's the rest of the team still coming in.
I don't know man, this fight is so chaotic.
Nobody knows what's happening.
I think you literally just hit the first hero
in front of you and you hope it works.
We'll test that theory in another 10 minutes.
It's almost two hours, dude!
What is going on?
They want them packed, man!
The event drop, that's three hours.
They're doing it for us.
All right, here they go.
It's time for their own smoke into the base play any of the kills with no buybacks bait the axe bait the snapfire there
Have their
Blink all though. That's so deep. It's so deep
But well
The Winnie Lakers
As there's even the good dodge there from the Wyvern very necessary
I can't believe he gave it up.
I can't believe it.
Welcome to Blast Slam 7, everyone.
We are an hour and 40 minutes into the game.
slam seven everyone if you're just not tuning in we are an hour and 40 minutes
into this best of one both of the reason my podcast a new ninth Roshan has died
and no one has managed to end the game it's a good time welcome in everybody I
don't even know what other items to buy I've already said my piece about backpacked
over lords. Are we at like a maxed out moon shards? Okay in the last fight there was actually
a really clutch block of cheese usage. Oh he's like give me that courier. Uh we'll kill it.
They have another one so after that rush they get another cheese. Well obviously lotuses are
aplenty right now so block of cheese is pretty much like free item at this point. So we'll see
if axe can find another good usage of it in the fight. I think Mal is gonna go find his divines.
They're on the map, he's gonna go grab a couple who cares man and money's money's just a concept at this point
It's not actually real well now. He only had 300 damage as a wyvern, which is like what a joke, you know, so
True, he's gotta go find some divine rapiers
Or a really numbers who is scared of 300 damage winter why ain't nobody
There's like eight divine rapiers in play and then not even know how many of them
There's two in the radiant base right now. So that's 10. Okay. Let me let me answer
Probably a couple more on the map. Let me ask you something serious. Is it too late to buy a Midas?
On Wyvern? On anybody
Yeah, there's just no reason right like you need Wind Waker or some
Money money
I mean honestly if I was uh, if I was the wind ranger, I would have done it so I could get madstone for Enchander's bobble
That would have been like
I think we're fighting for I mean they're just gonna send in the horde they got a really defensive place banner here the call
It's not only there's gonna be on this and
The cold embrace the winters curse comes out
He's trying to keep himself alive when he can't cage is a
And this gets popped as well on the tour drew the BKB throughout the war is gonna catch you may as God
Thanks, but the little shredder. Oh my god
Does it again behind the deer for as they finally did it a hundred
why they are me out man though I don't know
LGD classic essay don't take it at the distance they've done it are you even
happy right now like what is I don't have a flight I'm missing these I'm
that's true oh my god i guess but uh
it just i don't know what analysis there is to play honestly this game could
it well we'll do our absolute best we don't need to cut the
stream cast is off there made her understand that we're listening in
i mean they're in that workflow of casting a what did it end up being 110
1111 minute game there with eight or nine rapiers. It was hard to keep track of because there was so many on the ground
But oh dang I cannot believe LGD ended up coming through winning that
I mean, I'm actually just kind of jealous that I didn't get to watch the first hour of that game
We tuned in for like the hype endgame was like how do they even get there?
Why did he even get there? I mean the last 30 40 minutes easily deserves like maybe even like game of the season so far
I just feel like just the memes of it being so long. It was Christ. What a game.
Yeah, like, you know, there's a bit of a joke.
You never know what's going to happen.
It becomes full randomness.
Everyone gets sleepy and confused in it, and it's it's just a blur.
There were so many moments where I was like, oh, surely it ends now.
Like surely we can't break another record.
Nope. Somehow it goes to that next five minutes, and then they have another
engagement, and then you're just like, surely it ends now.
Nope. Goes for another five minutes.
So Tatiki, brilliant.
Once again from LGD knew that this game would last a long taking the position firebacks allowing him to scale back into the core
You know, you just cannot fathom the brilliance of this team how they're levelling up during the group stage
Yeah, that's what Quinn's always said from the start just how genius LGD drafts are
Again play the clip
There is no clip of you saying that at this point they need like a soundboard of clips of you know these shenanigans
The things that that Quinn says there, but yeah, there's a lot of implications as well for the
The group standings with LGD winning that one, I mean, the Andex would have loved to be able to get their last best of one as a win for themselves.
They still have to play.
LGD, at its best.
The reason why we're waiting here is because of them. It took me a second to even realize. Imagine being in the shoes of LGD right now.
You play a 111 minute game, you get the win. So that's a big bonus. At least you're not sad.
And then you have to come and play against Tundra as well. It's like, that's not an easy thing that no one's prepared for that type of like mental strain.
Like, when you play a pub like that, you want like a couple hours break, you want to be able to just, you know, queue it up, queue...
another pub?
Yeah, queue it up.
Yeah, fair. To be fair, if that was a ranked day and you win that one, you're queuing for a pub straight away.
Straight away?
I mean, I've played like 27 pubs, I think, max in a day before, so it's like...
I can feel the energy of playing more, but like, sometimes the 2R games hit you.
I don't know if I could actually fit 27 pubs in a 24-hour time.
It was more than 24 hours. I was...
Okay, well then, that's not a day, then, is it?
Oh, it was like...
Between sleep.
like the 27th game ended in like the 24th hour. Yeah, see, I still don't think my sleep in that
time. That was just full degen. It's a love of the game. It's my job. What was it then? Yeah,
it was during one time. Yeah. Well, not during like a then they're in broadcast. Yeah, during
broadcast. Yeah. But back then. Yeah, thanks, man. Much love. Full respect and full respect that
LGD gonna have to pull it together and play another best of one for themselves. I just
I'm surprised we've ended up in this position, is what I'll say.
It's the first time in slam history that we've had this type of shenanigans, right, in regards to the best of one, the formatting.
It was always like there was a game buffer between teams, so yeah, it's nice it's happened at least once, I guess.
I didn't think that we would get that with best of ones, but I'm happy we did.
It's the fact that we've gotten to the longest game, not only of Blast Slam, if the graphic would like to show itself.
Ta-da!
There it is. Not only of BlastSlam, but I believe of the whole patch.
Well, actually, top five longest games since TI 14. So the whole season.
Yeah, it is absolutely beautiful that we got to witnesses.
Again, Boom versus Aureus. Aureus was the naming before they become OG.
That was a BlastSlam qualifier.
So Blast now kind of takes ownership of both the number one and number two
length games in the year. So pretty cool. Pretty cool.
So this is TI 14, okay.
Again, yeah, it's...
The one that you unfortunately didn't get to play in.
How does this rank on the longest games ever, you know?
Ever we didn't play into account.
We just wanted to focus up on the season, because of course patch to patch, it can vary.
We have obviously played on three different patches in this season, and LGD Yandex locking it in.
It is also quite nice that when you look at the longest games, it is, you know, multiple different teams.
different teams, as long as one team is doing it, not one team who's just AFK the entire
time trying to hold on for, you know, defense.
That's the thing, it's not one team, it's never straightforward when it comes to Dota,
it's not like you come in and go, yeah, this team is always going to win.
There is this mix and match of everything when it comes to Dota, and of course, when
it comes to playing games as well, which is what we're going to have here, a little bit
of fun, which is self-quin, I don't want to take your ankles out there.
We've been doing a lot of access games and so I figured whilst we are waiting for the time span between
LGD's best of ones that we would have a little bit of fun here as well
So we've got one and we've got AFK on the other one. It's cinema
We've got looked in and we've got fumble normally. It's been the talent that we've been
Putting on this axis, but this time around
Hey, good and we're on the cinema and by the way true what we're actually doing teams this time around
So we won't be doing the talent do you guys have anyone you'd like to start with someone you think it's easier
I would like to start with XG and put them on the AFK left side of things in which they are leading more towards fumble
Yeah, I think XG is like yeah AFK fumbling right now. Okay. Who else cliff cliff. Okay. Let's hear. I think they are
Well, then they are locked in I'll give them that I think they're working really hard
No, no, but okay
We say locked in as in like literally like the goats and winning everything or we say in locked in as in like work ethic
No, I feel like locked in is like playing well to me. So not work ethic in that case then they are fumbling
I feel like you could they're not as afk as XG right? No, so maybe they're
Fumbling is hard. They're fumbling hard central fumble
Yeah, I feel like the central fumble like being able to beat Falcons even though they won this kind of impressive
And if they beat BB then they're on the road to cinema
I'm getting locked in because they can escape the bottom too. So I think yeah, they're kind of chinem
I'm okay with that one there. Yeah, or do you want a little bit up? Hello?
It was smidge. Alright, there you go.
Uh, G- Aurora. They finished all their games, so I feel like we can do an accurate description of them.
They're relatively locked in, I would say. But they have fumbled the group stage a little bit.
You know, like, a second place team shouldn't be a middle...
Yeah, but it's a hard tournament.
The thing is, I think they're more AFK than what people are fumbling more than...
They had one cinema game. The liquid one? The liquid one, where they got the wife and two boys.
That was really good. They played 11 though.
Exactly and because of the other 10
Leaning more afk. I didn't that's pretty good. I've a shadow. Yeah, they can pull my heck and shadow looks
You know, you can you do the thing where like you turn your shadow inside? No, I'm gonna do it
It's not do that. Oh God. All right. Who's next?
It's a perfect out do shadow puppets, dude. I wish I knew how I mean
We just played them. I feel like that's absolute cinema. No, that's cinema locked in to send them
There's no way any other team is further up the
Cinnamon
What about that boom?
Oh
I'd say locked in but they're not like
They're just kind of like that. I'm gonna lean a little bit towards it. Yeah, they're not AFK at all
But I wouldn't be like wow. Oh my god. I like the pretty locked into like I feel like they go whoa
They should be high. Yeah, I feel like they go a little higher. Yeah
There I think they might be the most locked in
The most they just want to turn it off of the group. I was processing. I wasn't a nice. I was processing
What do you mean? like complete top corner like edge with the whiteboard level level?
No no no no no no I don't think the edge of the corner is cinema.
No no no. They're not cinema. I don't think so either . I think they like cinema.
I think he's way more cinema.
I mean, based on the last game we obviously have to make sure Eldigy's higher.
Yeah, okay. I think something like that.
A bit more cinnamon than that boom because they play like weird stuff.
Spirit? I believe they've done all their best to ones that too.
They have yet.
I think cinema will fumble.
Like they create games that have aura, but they fumble so many they don't generate the cinema.
When they do win their cinema.
Slightly more cinema than Paravision I think, so like a here.
Close to me. What's up? How are we doing?
Hey, Gaman. I've just got the camera on there for a second.
What are you doing on the back?
Grabbing the magnet.
Oh, I didn't know that.
How do you think I'm putting the magnet?
I didn't know where they were. I mean, your pocket.
Just pulling them out of it.
Oh, I had this one.
Pulling the magnet.
I mean, they're like, are they AFK?
Really?
I mean, they're definitely fumbling.
I mean, sure, they're at the bottom.
I mean, they're down here, but aren't they AFK?
And they can feel like, central fumble.
I also feel like they're like, bottom of the board.
Yeah, but are they AFK or cinema?
They had one game where the Abba's spirit breaker was kind of cool, but on average, I'm not, like, on the edge of my seat watching the egg though.
I'm like, yeah, that's okay. They're not AFK or cinema. So they're just central fumble. I think they're central fumble
Yes, well, I can't put them over the words fumble. Okay, can we then unfortunately they do just have to are we leaning cinema side though?
I think so. I think they're more cinema than these three
This is like like it's about around all of them, you know, yeah, I mean, I guess they have the flower power buff or whatever
so yeah, yeah, Tundra
um
Fumble afk right if i'm way i think i arguably even more than xg because they expect the result i think they're more fumble
But are they more afk like i'm like i'm more than more fumble. No, you're right
I'm gonna be down i don't think that more afk than xg i don't even think xg showing up for fucking drop prep
Sorry, but i mean i mean
So i'm not sitting there sitting alone. Yeah, true like you shall wait for the plane back to somewhere. He's exactly
That's true. It's come through one person actually a little bit more to the left like you spoke so thank you
You spoke so passionately. We would like there we go cool. Okay liquid. I think I locked in for sure
Are they no, I think they fumbled today and because I was gonna say they were locked in but after today
They're like, what do you mean they beat Falcons today?
Yesterday sorry, I meant yesterday your grandma's not playing so you think I know your grandma
Okay, because of yesterday they're below BB on locked in level
Above the center point of locked in but they're to the right of like the cinema side. They're not AFK at all
They're maybe even like below P. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, that works. That's nice. Just nobody's
Just to see the logo more okay, what do you agree or not?
I just want to be honest if we took into if yesterday they were like 1-1 for example
They'd be like above BB in regards like locked in level. Well, you gotta do it best off now
Not yesterday. They live there then Falcons. I think I think they're one of the the only AFK locked in team. Yep
I think so too actually. I think there was so AFK today, but they also like we're trying like top left there
Yeah, like around there. That's nice. I just don't think they're more AFK than I don't know if they're more AFK than
So I'm gonna put it slightly this way. Yeah, that's yeah
Okay, and our last team is yandex. I mean we have to factor in the longest game of the word. What is that?
It's kind of it looks like a Pokemon kind of vibe. It does look like a Pokemon. It looks like Zapdos. Who is that? Yandex name.
I think because of losing the LG we just cannot
111 minute loss
bumble
Yeah, but do you think they're more or less cinema than LGD?
I think LGD is the most cinnamon you know you're on a hype of be reasons he bias here
I mean, they had a position 5 axe which is the reason why.
How about, I feel like they're equivalent locked-innesses, burger boys.
Okay, a little bit lower, just a tad lower, just a little bit lower, there we go.
That little decrease was because they lost, I'm happy with that.
Okay.
Honestly?
I think we've done a really great job of this.
I don't think many people could complain about this at all.
I mean, that's always going to be, but-
No, I don't think anyone could complain.
Literally nobody.
This is literally perfect.
Like zero.
This is like, everyone's like, wow,
we've solved world peace with this.
Like everyone has united together and gone, amen.
Well, it's a beautiful piece of art,
whether it's solved world peace is what we said.
Anything.
Okay, it solved all of the world issues,
whether it has or hasn't.
Hopefully you guys have enjoyed that.
We are gonna go to a break though
when we come back,
our final best of one on the A-Strength World Commence.
Oh, okay, I played a little puppet.
I'm so sorry, Nert.
I'm sorry Nert.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, Nert.
I'm sorry, Nert.
I'm sorry, Nert.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Okay, I'll play a little puppet.
I'll play a little puppet, I'm so sorry.
I made that cut in and maybe the worst moment because really the attention should go on the man standing next to me.
Misery, you're joining us for a special occasion.
Marking our final best of one out of the 66 in the group stage here.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah, that's a good idea.
Have you been enjoying the best of ones?
Of course, it's been great, especially that last game, that was pretty hype.
I don't think we have a lot closer group stage.
Yeah, I was like refreshing the liquipedia and I know you can do the whole like this probably isn't likely of a result in each best of one and figure it out but no team has looked in bed position by any means like no one is set for sure that they're going to come into Copenhagen and no team right now has been looked in Quinn that they're 100% eliminated.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like a couple of those blasts, Tundra was guaranteed first after like the third day, the whole fourth day, the matches didn't even matter, because they'd won so many games.
And this one is considerably closer. I mean, the bottom is spicy, but to be honest, I like the fact that top is so even. That's my favorite part, is that it's not just like one or two teams that are going into the bracket.
Yeah, they're probably just going to stop anyone when the bracket happens. Like, I think it's a really, really close tournament, and I genuinely think like one of like six teams could win right now, and that's super cool.
We're going to have a look at our standings, Tiana.
I know that you're going to put the caveat and you're going to say,
yeah, but this and Dr. Noistad on blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I wasn't, that's okay.
Sorry, you just call me a puppet.
Yeah, you're a puppet.
Okay, that one is no, out of context,
really mean in context, a funny joke.
That is very true.
And you know what the best part is?
Is if it didn't actually come through broadcast.
You've still just blamed me.
That's okay.
Well, either way, oh my god, guys, look at this bracket!
Oh my god, LGD7 and 3.
What if they beat Tundra after the 111-bit game,
and they go 8 and 3?
You would ask, what happens between P-Vision and L2D?
Guess what?
L2D beat P-Vision in the head to head, so they could be first in the group stage.
That's kinda crazy, isn't it?
That is pretty crazy, yeah.
Excluding whatever happens with BB, let's not get to that point yet, but still, the point is, that's kinda cool!
Yeah, the fact that we have three best of ones overall, if you include the B-Stream as well...
Sorry, we're just really lagged out for a second.
We have three best of ones, including the B-Stream.
Mm-hmm.
Nothing is set in at all and even if you wanted to try and factor in the noise style stuff, all we know is that LGD, after winning an insane 111 minute game,
Missouri would love to come in and be like, we don't care that we've only got 25 minutes between series, we can come in and beat Tundra too.
Yeah, it's up to their own destiny to decide if they can claim the first place here.
Also Tundra playing for their tournament survival here, right?
The lives, the lives, the lives, they lose this game, are they confirmed out or I think
No, they're not confirmed out.
Because you have to worry about the doctor, the doctor, the doctor.
Do not question the doctor.
Right, but at least if they win this, they are confirmed not out I believe.
They're not going to be on four wins, that should keep them inside the, in the warrants.
Win good, lose the doctor Kanoni also.
Yeah.
It's going to be a rough one and I took my time whilst that massive and long match was
going on to have a chat with Whitemon to get to the bottom of some of Tundra's issues?
Actually I don't really know what's like the exact answers but I guess maybe we're just taking
like too much break I think so we're not in our form right now but we're still like trying to
like be there we're still like talking a lot we're still discussing about our gameplay and everything.
Some would say they're still luck thin, they're trying bad, I mean a conversation is being
had clean about it, but I wanted to push a little harder, it's just not easy when it's
like who is taking these breaks, is this like a team decision between tournaments when you're
eliminated early, like where is that line of allowing, of reset, but also knowing like
a best of one group stage is unforgiving.
Yeah, I mean I can tell you that it's never everyone who wants to take these breaks or
It's always like a couple of people or maybe it's maybe it's the majority but one person doesn't want to and so there's a
Dynamic of you have to sort of understand that people need what they need and then okay. Do they actually need this or are they being lazy?
There's like a sort of judgment call you're making there
but at the end of the day whatever happens happens and you know, you've still got
Season left to go so you kind of have to suck it up and say okay whether or not we should have taken these breaks or not
We need to focus on now and fix the fact that we were slacking and and you know get better now
yeah, it's also sort of
So, it depends how you take the breaks, and what your mentality is coming back, because
we've also seen Yandex take a long break now, and they are coming back really strong,
they've been really motivated.
So, yeah, it kind of depends, I think, from team to team.
We also see Liquid have a bunch of stand-ins, I think, here and there, this third is Season,
right?
So, yeah, but it is also very intense, right?
There's a lot of tournaments all the time, a lot of games to play, so it's not easy.
Sorry, T, you go.
Thank you.
Please?
It's also like a test of character.
Thank you so much, Quinn. Thanks for seeing me.
It's also a test of character, guys.
It's just like this panel is.
Because Tundra, you know, they got the TI invite.
You know what's happening during the summer portion of the season.
So for them, it's like you get all these invites
and maybe instantly players kind of take their foot off the gas a little bit.
Because like when you are watching them play,
while looking at players who are playing at their best,
so you can probably point fingers on gameplay,
like that guy looks like he's taking a break right now.
But I'd really hope teams don't do this, even though Tundra is.
I feel like they need to find a way to not have these type of performances because you
shouldn't be this bad this quickly after getting like qualifications to like TI, right?
It's something else is happening that none of us will ever be able to answer.
I mean it was before the Invites 1-2 and one thing that they do more than any other team
is boot camp.
If you ever look at online events at moments when they're not on site, they're always
boot camping together in Serbia but if you're talking about Yandex, right, then coming back
after their break. Well, they're all still playing from home. If you look at liquid after
having stand-ins, they're also playing from home. So there are these elements as well that I factor
in is, is it too much pressure of having to be away from home, having to grind more than what's
actually necessary for them? But either way, I know it's necessary. It's a draft for our final
best of one in the group stage.
of the game.
You had the long game, right? Quinn?
Did you have to play any other games?
When you played your long game, was it in the best of three?
The end of it? Or the start of it? I can't remember.
It was the best of two, actually.
Was it the second game or first game then?
It was the... oh, shoot. I think it was the first game.
Okay, so after the long game of your first game,
what was your recovery plan from that long game
when you had to play another one, which was such an important game?
Did you win that game?
We won game two. We lost a long game.
Okay, okay.
I think the best thing you can do is just go outside.
I think that's the first thing is get some water and go outside and just like walk around for a bit stretch
Like it doesn't really matter what happened in this game. You don't talk about it
Who cares like it literally whether you want or loss it legit doesn't matter
You just need to go outside and stretch a little bit touch some grass because it's too long
And it rots your brain need to like reset as like a human being before you can go play the next one
I'm misery. You also played a pretty long game, right?
Yeah, I guess very faces
I mean, I don't remember what I did, but we lost the game and it was more than three hours
And then we had to play another game to win the series and we won the series
Yep, so we were able to reset, but I cannot remember what happened there
You stopped them game two and three didn't you?
I think we did. Yeah, it was a pretty...
The stop was like an hour ago though
That was a weird experience, but yeah, I definitely agree
I think you need to sort of find a way to reset and I think it is a lot easier to win that series and then move on, right?
and then sort of ride the momentum, I think it would have been a bit rough for LGD to be in the spot where they had lost that game
and now had to play Tundra and potentially missed the potential of being top two.
I do want to focus on the draft very quickly as well, because one thing that I've noticed for a lot of teams that have been able to get victories over Tundra
is that they've banned out the invoker in the first phase. It's so synonymous, BZM and Invoker, but this time around for whatever reason,
LGD think that they can beat it or know how to beat it they let it through it's a doom clock ember and beast that they ban out
Opening tundra up to that potential in vocal but they've taken out huska snap and kes themselves
Normally the invoker in the first base band is because tundra will take it later in the draft
You're using the invoker first base band to protect yourself tundra
I can't remember how often they like overall first pick it might happen. I don't actually miss remembering
But I think that sometimes I think especially when they're in a slump. Yeah, I think it's if when they're back against the wall
I wouldn't I wouldn't even blame them for picking it here
They do take it a bit slower
I mean probably also Tyloong is pretty happy playing as Timboker. He has a lot cheesy heroes
Right, he can pull out and abuse this in poker. Yeah, I think ever been is honestly kind of cool, too
They won their last game with it
And I think it's it's a really easy mid hero
Especially if you're if you're comfortable on you have a lot of games to hear what doesn't die
And if you have a fine laning phase then you can kind of just get farmed and do your thing
You like muscle memory kicks in so I think if you're playing against a team that is in the slump
I'm sure there's the invoker which is muscle memory for BZM specifically, but Ember's just a very it's a very easy
And also like going for the Cuddle first pick thanks very free of course the efficiency off laner
He likes the stacks even though Cuddle doesn't reapply presence in lane
There's not many offline partnerships from like that Cuddle makes sense
Like we saw Fy earlier today play Cuddle and it was like it feels like a burden on the team
But with tundra when they're in form a couple and then benefit it just everything will amplify his farm
We'll see if he can of course utilize that
Puck against cuddle is just I mean it's solid nothing cuddle does does anything to you really
Now you can pick like cuddle void spirit, which maybe you know
Theoretically is decent voice for it's kind of trash right now. So I don't know if I really buy it
I mean, there's all these melee heroes you can put in it.
I'm not sure PCM really likes playing those.
They have the Earthshakers, the Slardas, all these type of things.
They're also pretty decent with Coddle, just so you have a guy to play around early on.
You can refresh his mana as well.
He does like Shaker if he does not like Slardar, I don't think very much.
I don't think I've ever seen PCM Slardar.
But if you pick Shaker, you can also play up the stacks more.
You could also just go Storm, just because you have that Coddle, even though it's in the Puck.
It's definitely not completely out of the question, I think.
Yeah.
I mean, it's the type of draft where it's like, you could go for the Storm mid, then Largo offlane,
and it's like, Coddle, Largo just farms together, when Largo's happy, then Coddle goes to mid,
then you have the Storm, it's like, there's a lot of layering to turn your mind up, but...
No, a fan of the Frog right now.
You're not a fan of the Frog?
No, not really. I feel like the hero has not looked that good at this event, in my opinion.
It doesn't really do that much I think often just farms and then yeah, it doesn't have a stun really doesn't have this
E spells like the other offline just seem to have high impact
No, I agree
I think when you don't see heroes picking lago's was wrong, but my assumption here is time to close the second phase
C4 heroes that's kind of the 33 slot in the draft right now
It's definitely one of the teams that will still be playing the lago
And they're taking their sweet time on these bands. Well, you're lonely for second phase but as well
I didn't think about London or I didn't lift.
I wouldn't mind seeing the TA once again for Pure. I feel like that's his best hero right now.
And it was the same thing in Dream League when they prioritized TA all of nowhere.
They also won their last game on it. And I think it's pretty good against Puck also.
Yeah, it's not as good now that the shard isn't the silence traps. What even is it?
Did they remove that?
Yeah, the shard is not the silence traps anymore. I don't remember what it is.
Off to my head, I honestly couldn't tell you.
Today is the hair to the side of my brain.
Yeah, but I think sense that it's become like less bad.
But I agree, it's still very comfort for Pure.
At least Pock doesn't really threaten T.A. at least.
So there's that aspect of it.
It's a Refraction increases bonus damage and can be cost while disabled.
Okay, it's kind of worthless.
Kind of worthless or worthless?
Refraction thing has merit sometimes I guess the disabled thing is so it's so rare that you don't have refraction on
Yeah, I guess if you have if you have a manner region, especially with part of your kind of just like true playing brick cosplaying bristleback pressing Q
Well, I mean who knows LGBT has a tendency to pick some weird heroes like straight up
But they picked acts in this slot acts 5 like they knew it was acts 5 to they weren't even really flexing until the end
So it's hard to predict what this team wants for sure under support roles
especially when Bane's banned, KJ has been prioritizing that but outside that whack and loss.
It also speaks to LGD sort of, they know what they're doing.
The enemies don't, but they kind of are planning ahead, right?
They're picking that axe knowing it's going to be five most likely, right?
So that's sort of setting that their later picks up,
whereas you can't say the same for other teams in this event,
where they just feel like they're taking the one pick at a time, right?
Without thinking too much about what they're going to pick later on.
You have perfectly described LGD.
They are a very playbook team, like they know exactly what their drafts are doing.
The problem is sometimes that creativity the playbook
Exceeds the tournament that they're inside, but I think based on this group stage
They have we have turned that new leaf shown much better things
I even let's pick in the hoodwink in this position like puck hoodwink
That is a very stable opening
Of course, I can't be counted by not stalking slot or whatever, but BGM isn't really playing them
So why not go for the go for this type of opening the night store as interesting actually with 33 pull that out
Maybe not in this spot, but they could also sit up for it on 18 here, maybe.
But Lion though, is it a POS5 Lion and then Koto's your 4th?
Or is there a chance that Koto could be the mid going Orc into the pot?
Or is this the support, Joe?
I don't think Koto was mid.
I mean, Ymon is like, he's like a little 25 line, maybe a little 30 line.
It's like one of his most played heroes.
Yeah, I think it's fine. I think it's probably not that big of a deal.
It has been Ari playing it in this tournament. I'm not saying why one doesn't play it. I'm just saying so far
That's where they'd like to put it. I think even white man could play the call if they put pure on
On the right side of a hero speak of the devil
I don't really see why
I think it's kind of bad against
Pangolier and I feel like in some ways it's bad against call to because he's got like the whole healing
Amplify like he's the engine and I feel like he's just a better engine than Largo is in terms of the long fights
It's like you're fighting, you're doing the whole long fight, everyone stays alive thing, but you're doing it against Kotal.
It's also weird, like you don't really have anything, I guess you can lick off the Kotal.
Solar bind?
Solar bind, but apart from that, can you remove Hex?
No.
So it's sort of like...
Yeah, you can just just Solar bind.
You can just move the frog closer to you.
I suppose, yeah.
But it's not like the other Lago games where they can sort of remove like the entire enemy draft, right?
No, the Lago is like his pre-meh, this game.
Yeah, they go for pre.
Sort of drafting it in a very different way this game than what we've seen before, right?
They're setting up their last pick for Vier to be a very hard carry, I would say.
Terrible leads and this type of big carry here.
You look at their heroes, there's a lot of sustainability, like Largo gets tanky relatively
quickly, you've got Tree with living armor, Hoodlum with scurry, Puck naturally being elusive.
There's only a lion to lock down the Puck at the moment, just not as if there's multiple answers.
Well, I can see LGD being happy, and you know what, it's the last game of the group stage.
If you just play a calm, relaxed game, our heroes are quite tanky, just get you more online,
like take away some of the stresses, especially after that long game, but it really doesn't
feel like the same LGD that we've been praising and how they got to a potential top two position.
I think also the Thunder heroes are a little bit slow. It sort of reminds me of some of the Falcons
games we've seen, where they just sort of lose their lanes with this line, that pangolia, and then
these heroes don't get enough damage. I could see the same thing happening here, into the Lago,
go into the tree and pockets hard to kill as well.
Why didn't they like tree SF like for example on on LGD like am I missing something what rather than lago
You take the SF yourself, then you have the strong save flame
Crutals would be to not play against the lago coddle. I'm not sure if that's a it's as effective like sort of taking the lago away from tundra
Yep, we did talk about tundra. Maybe wanting it
But is it that important of a hero for tundra that you need to take it away and then lose your SF tree potential value
Again, a hero that you have been enjoying again in the group stage.
I gotta be honest, I don't really understand Largo Superwell, so I'm not really sure.
Yeah.
If only there was a way for you to practice on the hero.
Yeah.
I'm referencing a minigame.
I'm kind of pushing the future here.
Oilers.
I mean, it's a good shadow fiend game, although the support, okay, it's good against LGD Serials,
but it's very weird with Lion 5.
I don't think I've ever seen this lane, to be honest.
Yeah, it's very fragile, right?
Yeah. Now you have the potential of your tree and it's gonna gate and there's gonna be some lago hoodwink there and
Last pig fury on or something for lgd and now you're your shadow fiend is in real big trouble early on
So I agree and I think it's one of those years as well. That's sort of easy to kill early on you have a call
You have a lion all these girls. They just die in a coil very easily
I've also seen this pangela hero have very middling success
I feel like yeah past couple eight series the zero just has just been losing and losing and losing
And a lot of those games have been against puck, even though you don't have the coil 25 town anymore.
It's just, I don't know, at a certain point, people are buying and discs, so there's no way you can ever burst the puck.
And then now your rolls over and puck just beats you in a long fight.
It's kind of funny how though, I like this like that nobody was buying and just the item literally wasn't buffed.
And then everyone remembered, you know, you can buy this and just kind of enough people just buy it every game on puck again instead of Lincoln's or Yule's or any of this stuff.
just by Aeon and it's literally impossible to burst Puck and we should have Black Hole or Chrono or
something. This logo, by the way, is 8 games and you have 37% win rate. There you go. And the hood
wing also super low win rate actually. Yep. So you should look at only stats. LGG iron. No looking good.
Yeah, there's still some confusion to LGG's lineup. It's like, I'm not even seeing heroes
actually pressure the SF at all. Like everything feels played backwards on their heroes that you
You want lago to go back and farm some stacks, you want tree to go tank some smoke, you want puck to go push out a wave and like there's nothing which is like that's their big moment to enter the game.
Of course again, you and the carry will be that option. I am looking at tundra dictating a lot more.
Yeah, also if it's going to be a 33 hero last year, if it's going to be Pangolier, what about something like, what is there, like the Nightstalk is still available, right?
Yeah, some...
Brumaster, some 33 heroes like that.
It could just be as simple as that you go back for the classic for like the center or the tide
Yeah, so you go back to just the blobs for 33 you have the cuddle
You're gonna have the stack farming he can anchor smash from it a little bit quicker
Because of course could all with chakra like if it is very much your last game of the group stage stable looking lineup for thunder
Why the tide? Why is the tide a better option than something like the uh?
Oh, don't worry. I was gonna suggest like this band. Oh again
the tide is good because the lack of damage on LGD is very clear so if tide wants to go
consecrated wraps he can then be very resistant to both magic and physical, walk into middle
of fights, if he wants to go back through his arcs build where he's just like throwing
out dushes he can prolong the game if he gets difficult, it's just insurance, like the entire
draft is worst case we shove waves and pure will get a laugh.
It's a very stable lane, often tide can just go for multiple point keg and show and just
sit there against most people right in the car to do his thing I think you're looking for something
probably a range to pair with a tree and right they can sort of hard carry the game but also
play aggressive I think because I do think that they need to punish these heroes like lion
SF this lane I think they need something they can punish that look now sort of furium before
could also be draw ranger I like I like draw furium do you want the range option look the
the melee Ursa boy?
Versa Tree, I don't even think it beats Tidecottle.
Yeah, actually.
Ah, because of the blending, yeah, sure.
It's a great draw game.
She's got a lot of garbage in front of her.
She mega outscales everything on Tundra.
I imagine Pure will go for the magic build,
but even the magic build is against Overgrowth,
so you can get Rekwim cancelled, and there's like,
Ship's shenanigans.
Because I don't think Rekwik SF builds scales against draw.
I think you just get blasted at some point.
We saw it in the the spirit game earlier versus ParaVision. So I like this last pick a lot and I feel like
I feel like LGD is on a roll. I think the draft is good and I don't buy this lion shadow fiend save lane
Yeah, I kind of agree. But at the same time
Tundra should have seen this coming right first in trial rise a lot in this tournament
And it's looked pretty strong and it's pretty obvious that they would need a range carry
So I think they they bang Naga instead for example, I think they would just be like, okay, we'll play against the draw
We have a lot of peers that can buy blinktack later on and get a top of her. You know, it's not that scary for us
I'm just looking at LG design of fun. Honestly, I like it a lot
I think there's a clear wing conditioning regards to the drought
My problem is what happens when tundra utilizes their three big initiators and one time kill that drought
You only one kill on her to take rush on you only one kill on her to like take a racks
And then you kind of change the scripts of the game
So for Yuma, he needs to have really just stable positioning
Because as much as Tundra's draft looks a little wonky, they're always that X factor, and they have the damage if they do find her.
Alright, good positioning on the side of Yuma with his Drow.
We've seen that matchup against SF when it comes to late game parries, and we do know it's Drow, favoured,
but the supporting cast is going to do a lot of heavy lifting on the side of Tundra.
But is it enough for them to be able to end their group stage on a win? We'll see how this best of one plays out.
I'm going to go back to the game.
LGD versus Tundra. The bottom versus the top kind of. Let's talk about standing real quick.
Let's talk about King jungles. Yeah, well, he did this last time. We
cast him. He went 0-1-8. They won the game. Not a great start though for LGD. They just
just got out of a two hour game which we'll also talk about but first let's
talk about standing so LGD are 7-3 they're in second place technically if
they win this I believe they're secured top two I believe so too yeah they have
the tiebreaker on Betboom who is tied with them currently so if Betboom loses
then they still get top two but Betboom have a little bit easier an opponent
now tundra four is the bottom three and seven but extreme and glyph currently are
11th and 12th as those are the positions that will actually get eliminated and they have the tiebreaker on both of them
So I think they're fine, right? Like regardless of what happens. They're fine
So what you're saying is this game is really nice for
LGD to get top two and for tundra. It doesn't even move them. I think so
All right. Now the good news is the tundra probably don't know that so
You don't think 33 knows that
Please I'm not sure. I mean either either way you should check my math on this one syndrome
Oh, yeah, I'm not thinking it for granted based off of head-to-head, right?
I believe that's three things are tied and you win the head-to-head against both of them
I think you're always gonna be 100 three of their win two of them are against extreme and good
Yeah, I don't see how this could go any other way. Thank you, right? Okay, just checking, you know, I'm from NA
So you got to do a double take from time to time from a game perspective
I think this is a really, really good draw game.
I'm, I don't know, I'm surprised they gave it away.
We saw it earlier, so they do well against the Shadow Fiend.
I personally don't really think Tundra
have anything good against Drow when she gets items.
So I think there's pressure on them to execute this early.
And the issue with that is you're playing as a team
that's clearly doing really, really well.
So you're going into an unfavorable matchup
in terms of team strength.
And I think the overall last pick
is the best pick of the draft.
So, keep an eye out for Yuma, obviously still needs to perform, and the big question on everyone's minds is,
is Drow good enough that it can carry Largo?
Yep, he's not looking great so far, and it's 33 taking a ton of damage.
He might just be dead here, gets off a gush, but for no avail.
As KJ gets some revenge, so he's on the board officially.
So, in your experience in long games, which is very few...
Two hours, you win the game, there wasn't a bit of an extended break as top lane we're
going to see some action, Frog Stomp onto pure, the Olocore getting credit for that
one.
So another kill goes the way of LGD.
What kind of impact do you think that a game like that can have, or is this kind of an
overrated thing that we're even discussing it?
These young gentlemen are warmed up now, it's all good.
I think fatigue is not really a thing until we're talking like more than one B.O.3 series
That's when you can start talking about it.
Like if you play two full best of threes,
then go to six games and a lot of them are long.
But like what they've had to play today,
I don't think is enough to really shift much,
especially not when they had a nice break.
I think they had a break for like 20 minutes
before the draft or something like that.
Yeah.
I think that's enough to clear your head.
And like you said, they won, which definitely also helps.
Oh, another bush back onto Pure.
Intel's going to help them out going for some shadow raises.
He's going to pop the wand to stay alive.
Not the olacor on the run another shot array. Oh, actually not why I'm right-click a lot more damage than it looks like it should
But it is lying after all so it can't be too surprised
Really want to kill your
The way that you're looking at it is 33s that
Okay second death on a tide early on not great
you're looking at it from a time perspective, but
But how much of that last game was one of those stressful type of late game situations?
That was like three-fourths of that game, like that, right?
So surely that is not equivalent to just looking at the time, you know what I mean?
I know what you mean.
I'm just saying, I don't think one of those games in the day, that's why I was referring
to best of threes.
It wasn't like total time, but it's more how many exhausting games do you have?
I think one game is not gonna...
So you're saying they're ready for another 60-minuteer, if not more?
I don't think it's going to be that, but I think if necessary, they will perform.
This bottom lane is going roughly the way I expected.
I think this lane plays itself.
I think this is so easy for Drow Trion.
Caudaltyde is just a weak lane against this.
What Caudaltyde does well against is melee carries, so you can just farm with Anchor Smash,
but in this lane, every time you come up and look at creeps, you're going to get hit by
level 2 Frost Arrows.
can get on top of you as well because it's easy for him here in the safe lane to connect.
And as a result, I think this is where you're going to have to jungle a lot as Tide, but
that has already been blocked courtesy of that sentry, the camp by the outpost is unavailable.
Jungle is cut out nice and early.
I think that's the one he got first blooded trying to place as a matter of fact, or he
did place and then died.
Ooh, Tylong almost dying to BZM.
We'll be okay though.
Puck vs. Pango matchup.
Alright, we're just a little bit behind.
Bad news for Tidos jungling at level 3 on the right side camp.
Nothing stacked, of course, but it leaves Ari to get some experience in the lane, however
he of course stands no chance of contesting Drow 1 on 1 and that means you free up the
Triantz to go and kill Mr. Line, but he's spotted by Sentry.
Yeah, I can get too much out of this.
Tharlong has been living on a sliver of HP in the mid lane.
Twenty eight and seven advantage for BZ Embers is twenty one and four for
Tharlong.
Great lane raises from pure are enough as already making his way over.
So bottom lane completely abandoned at this point.
Is it going to be worth it?
Luminate comes out, and he has some more raises on the KJ, level 3, but I can turn this around on to the SF, so pure dyes, despite this looking pretty advantageous with Hondra, on to being a one for one.
Definitely not in that favor.
Yeah, when we talk about Largo, and we focus a lot on his core roll with the 3 core items you really want, which is generally Kaisan, BKB, eggs.
This hero is pretty good in lane early with the right matchups, so this is one of those games where that is a major upside
Oh again, kill the core
Immediately back to back deaths
Which we're coming in but really not afraid of SS at all. They're gonna be able to kill off whitemon and all like it. No, not even
So a two for nothing
Very aggressive play from LGD
This is how you counter LGD. You just
completely go outside the box
play try versus trial lane. Love to see it.
We can only have fun for like 30 seconds, so we have to go back to normal.
Game demands it.
33 trying to pull a wave.
Probably gonna die here.
Yeah, definitely.
Not much to be done here.
Let's get a courier.
I mean, these pro players really do not give a shit about their couriers, do they?
That is like...
I'm just couriering, so...
I just don't get it. It's been like this for so many years.
Just thinking about too many things.
Can't multi-task these zoomers, you know? They're not even zoomers, it's...
Hmm.
Is it Gen- Gen-Z?
Gen-Z, something like that, yeah.
Gen-Z is going to zoomers, I don't even know.
I'm too old, I'm the boomer now.
Yep.
At least my courier isn't going to kill, but that's because I play turbo.
Yep.
Anyway, we're down to the mid lane.
There's a point.
Toil to PCM.
He's in a bit of trouble, but...
I'm...
They don't have the damage to finish him off.
It was a bit of a weird coil. Tai-Lung didn't have any mana himself to follow up on it, and Triand is not going to do that damage, so...
Even had a regen rune running on BZM, so a bit pointless.
However, as it stands, games still, I would say, overall going according to plan for the side of LGD, with the exception of
how big of a win mid BZM has been able to get. That's why this game looks even, because the Pango is...
Definitely, outside, based on expectation, I would not think Pango wins against Puck this hard.
You probably win, but I think these ams just having a really good game here
But if I could pick in the current meta any carry to just have a free farm lane and then have faith in later in the game
I think my top two are drow and boy. So
Your the fact that you might easily pop that war
I think is a very good sign for them. It's even gonna get involved here with an early smoke rotation. They want to take out BZM
This is a very unexpected draw movement, but they might still predict the supports
Yeah, but that coil out how do they do that? Yeah, it seems a bit strange
Yeah, he's gonna give up and go by
At least the time
BGM's got an arcane rune now going for the mage slayers
He's backed up now by a couple of supports are gonna look to take out this tier one. Ty long
That's the loan although feel the force was coming over but he's gonna pay the ultimate price
And now Yuma is going to show up again this time with the TP instead of the smoke and he's late
So that was also a waste of time and he's wasted quite a bit. Nice timing from
side of Tundra, they're finding the right moments of opportunity to not really pay anything for their moves and obviously
It will be getting some good space as a result
33 the biggest winner in all of this he gets to pull two full creep waves with him
It was like the first time in this game that he's gonna be truly happy.
Oh yeah.
Well, to be fair, 33 is never actually happy as a human being, so can they say that?
But in the game...
Yeah, I guess.
As close as he can get.
His hero is smiling.
You see that if you look at the tide portrait, he's smiling behind the...
What do you call that?
The thing he has on his head?
What's the word for that?
Diving bell?
Question.
Could be...
BZM's gonna find Whisper.
Can you get Bushwax? I don't think they have the damage though.
He actually does not have Rolling Thunder. Still. A little bit surprising.
I think the one value level would be good, but he's been farming up a storm, so...
That's one of the harder heroes to use it against.
I think this is more standard than you would think specifically because of that matchup.
This rolling thunder just doesn't generally catch puck in the lane.
Like this as you said, just better for farming, better for overall like poke and prod harass.
Very early mage player, so wants to get involved with a haste rune, we would think.
I'll hit 6 here.
There.
We'll get his ult here rather.
from Ari who will he will hit six and when I whenever I look at caudal this
is there's some classic partners for caudal I think the two heroes that come
to mind for me when I think of chakra friends are pango and ember for my two
favorites and then there's something like tiny that can be good sometimes too
each time squad are Beastmaster it fits in the off lane then Beastmaster is a
good pairing but I was with pango this is just so incredibly strong to lower
these cooldowns. The cooldowns of Swashbuckle and Shieldfinder are 10 and 6.
Well, they got the coil, BGM pops to haste, he's more than fine. They're gonna get
Gustbid as well. There's now a double Impale coming out and that is the death of
Tylong, the other core that is five deaths to his name, and they're just gonna run down Yuma.
They got four members just running down mid except not the Queen style.
No, as pure kills off Yuma, Ari will be the only sacrifice needed from the Tungra side.
That was a really good read. They were so ready for that play, but you could see from the formation that they were anticipating the gank.
Kautal was covering from the right side, ready to ult, and the fact that Shadowfiend is there makes it very clear.
Oh, Leitman might have gone a little bit too aggressive there. Oopsie. He just did.
And they denied the tower with Whisper, so it could have been worse, but still a very nice sequence pulled off there by Tundra.
33 bouncing back he's fourth in that worth overall in the game now after a horrific start
It's just gonna be
Vibing with the fact that there's been so much movement to mid
That is the dream when you lose your lane hard as the off laner is that everybody just forgets you exist
You get to chill in the jungle
B-Zim has a mage flare, is gonna go for the agg, next no big surprise, Tylen in the meantime.
No items yet, witchblade first in line though.
His farm has suffered quite a bit, bottom net worth of the cores right now.
thunder on an expedition to find Yuma doesn't seem to be a successful one though.
Maybe they'll discover the Americas though. They're going on a very long
trek across the entire water. Oh look somebody's here about the career.
That one's a little more playable. He's actually setting it to himself through the gate.
Well they might not find the drill but I guess the tower is a given. You're not really interested
and defending this with what has just happened as radiant you know tide is
available now you know the pango is strong and the team is set up you're
just gonna concede this one with no contention whatsoever
Tundra have definitely stabilized doing a lot more space to 33 whispers been
getting some space to those one for sage kaya cookie cutter yeah Yuma with the
Yasha into straight-up aggs apparently not gonna stop at the mantas
Yeah, just going heavy farm
I think the mindset for the side of LGD is if we get late enough
We are going to win courtesy of Drown plus Pango. I would probably agree with that assessment, but
They will have a downtime, but they're not very strong if they're analyzing like this
So this takes forever to be them to connect finally will
And I don't think anything's gonna happen though.
Too far of a chase, Froggy too fast.
Pangle can farm so ridiculously fast when you're playing with Caudal, it's crazy.
Wave to wave, camp to camp, keep giving him mana, just non-stop spamming out the spells.
not too far behind and the net worth is pure.
And this is a good way to play Tide now.
I think what 33 is doing,
whenever there's any sort of threat on a tier one tower,
you just plant Tide in front of it
because we're focusing a lot on the lane
and how good draw is against Tide and lane
and in the later portion of the game.
But in this mid game,
LGD don't actually have good ways of killing Tide.
They have two heroes that use silences for killing,
but you're gonna crack in those off,
both the gust and the waning rift.
You don't have heavy bursts, you have like sustained damage over time between Drow, Largo, and fuck.
So, actually a very nice game to just be a wall.
I was considering whether 33 was going to go for Consecrated Raps for that reason, but he feels...
Feels like you can just go straight to Agz. I don't mind it.
Minus armor for Pango and SF is of course incredibly good.
I think it's comfortable right now.
I'm very casual.
Looks like it was a game that could have been snowballing in favor of LGD, but very even
now.
Just get to see after our last game.
Okay, J. Not going to be found by BZM.
At least the works towards this Agnus Scepter, halfway there.
33, also working on Ags now.
Unless you want to get the blink beforehand.
I don't feel like they're looking for a fight necessarily yet.
The Ags.
That's what I assume he'll go for.
Some very good vision placed here by the way on this move.
If they get the axe on the Tylon, finger up that as well as Ravage.
Do they have the damage? Yes!
Very casual player from Tylon.
Lion is easily the best counter they have in this game against us.
Yep, didn't think there was gonna be enough of a threat there, especially with Living Armor Level 4, but if you use everything,
it'll take him out.
Yeah, this is what I was saying. These wards right now are extremely good for the side of Tundra.
You just park Tide up top and farm with him and then play us forward down here in this area and you're effectively
controlling so much of the map that you're kind of forcing the hand of LGD to go for a smoke,
Which they might be willing to do now that you don't have Ravage.
I guess that's the big downside to that puck kill is it's harder to control this part of the map at this point.
Yeah, they're just there.
Unfortunately for them, I'm going to give up at least one of their ults, but the other one will stay.
They didn't find the one on the crossroads between the towers mid.
And here go LGD. Let's see if they can find time. Can they kill him?
I don't actually even know if these three heroes killed Ty before he gets held.
Let's see.
Push back the star.
They're gonna break him.
Okay.
I take that.
Very easy kill, in fact.
I don't know why I thought that wasn't gonna work with Bushwack.
Or excuse me, Sharpshooter.
It looks like, of course, if they start with Sharpshooter, they'll be fine.
Oh, Shannon, we're getting old.
Speak for yourselves, syndrome.
I'm not gonna lie.
That was the necessary X factor.
But not a break there, it might actually be quite fine, that's right, wait what?
I like Harambe memes.
That's right, and cats.
Yeah, of course.
Who doesn't like cats though?
Psychopaths.
Fair point, I guess.
Those feel like one of those games for LGD, they're just, I mean I guess it's a Largo
game where you're just getting your stuff I was gonna say he's going to his
standard he's not going acts I don't think I've ever seen this syndrome hmm
Sanj Kaya into she was then the new tech could be recognizing that well I
picked Largo so I guess I'll have the problem then
we'll see if whisper finds big impact with this it's obviously an incredible
armor game and I will say whisper as a player I think it's my
Seems like the offlaner that values armor the most
So he will buy for example on bad rider. He'll buy low-dissolve a lot of the time also if he isn't necessarily dispelling really key things
Yuma either a roshin he's gonna take a finger of death cage is in the vicinity for an overgrowth
We'll have to use it but the impale comes out again
canceling the TP from Yuma
surprised that he was even in that area after Roche died. Oh, did they not see
Kager? Oh wow, nice movement. He was dusted. They just barely didn't see him in
the trees. That would have been an extra bonus kill, but they got the big one.
The draw that they were looking for along the edges, as you said. So again, stable
position here for the dire. Not a big old lead by any means, but you like LGD's
I'm just playing better in this game so far though, clearly.
Yeah, I think that's fair to say that they've had better movements and better reads.
The thing that's mainly impressed me with Thunder has been their counter initiation.
The play in mid was a game-changer where Caudal was there immediately to protect the pango and get a great turnaround fight.
And they've managed to kill Tylong twice on the puck, which might not sound like much at 20 minutes, but...
But it adds up, you're slowing down the puck, she also lost her lane, I say she, it's an
it.
If anybody corrects me on that, she governor, I know you're watching.
Don't know why that was about him, Quinn, you're wrong again, Quinn, unlucky.
As usual.
Whatever Andrew you think puck is, Quinn, it's the other one.
Not a 50-50 hit with my cannon barrel.
Oh, that's a nice free shard for Ari.
Two Solarbind charges plus the 100% Moon at heal.
Solarbind, actually quite good against Puck.
Might sound a little bit weird, but sometimes sound weird.
Even if Puck jumps, the slow is so crippling that you can actually catch up when I hear like Pango.
So, let's see if that gets put to use.
Of course they have the spells on Largo, but it's, I mean it's just such a feels good
Shrine.
It's just very strong in general.
Yep.
And they avoided the 50-50 with Lion as Shrine, and get the enemy wisdom Shrine.
So LGD playing on the back foot a bit, as 33 did go for the blink actually first, they
have the jump.
Disappear, it feels like. With Drow in the farming mode and Largo with only the one item for now.
Knowing Tundra, they will try to
twist the knife a bit here and get some more advantage.
I think the biggest mistake they can make is to not use the Aegis. I think you've got two minutes.
Make sure you force into another tower or
Yeah, at least get some deep boards out with this. Zpure is playing completely fearless, just pushing in between the tower for the wave.
I actually look for a kill. Yeah, he's just going to go straight into the old core here
Only shadow blade no no silver edge. Yeah, didn't do a whole lot as the old core trying to get to the other side of this
Impatiable wall
You might be able to think oh actually uses the ravage as well
After all that support for support
On the turn off an LGD potential the coil on the 33 to slow some KJ and 33
Looks to be in a world apart as whisper finally comes in with the huge lick
And they get the big kill on the watermelon.
Well, I wanted to see aggression, but that was just pretty poor formation, right?
They dove into that spot on the map, Pango was never able to connect whatsoever, no spells
were cast from him.
You just kind of just got surrounded on all sides by LGD, which I would argue, given the
game state shouldn't really be possible.
That's huge.
You outlast the ages with that play, you get two kills.
time purchased for themselves here by LGD and they're gonna immediately find us
up. This is the era early though.
That's all shot of you like they did us and he wants to buy a top Samantha, get silence,
kick it off the ult, the tree's already dead, is it getting attacked in front of the fuck?
Again, one more right click, what the face shift?
Do they have the finishing blow here for Tylong? Looks like he's fine. I say that a little
too early potentially tie along with the waning pit, look to a crawl and down he goes again.
Death number three for the puck.
As Taimo will have to run back to base if he holds.
Do so.
EZM.
Deer's still going in.
He still has the Aegis.
They're going very deep.
A couple right clicks will suffice here.
One more in fact will finish.
The job is 33.
He is going to run into melee range and try to get off an anchor smash.
It should do no damage, but finally the requiem from Pure as how are we in the end?
enemy base at 24 minutes, and they're owning.
They haven't lost a single member.
What the hell just happened?
As long as Caudal is unaccounted for,
they're all gonna be healthy in these situations.
As long, you know, Ty Long's dead,
you get on top of the drought,
so she loses a lot of her impact,
and you stabilize immediately.
That was, honestly, quite a big wonder
from LG to smoke there.
I really don't like that smoke.
You have 50 seconds left on the Shadowfiend Aegis.
You just accomplished what you needed
with the fight that happened outside your base.
And then they got a little bit greedy and wanted more.
And unfortunately for them, they run into the SF.
He has the Aegis.
They kind of can't really go on him
because they can't kill him twice.
The counter plays there immediately
between SF and the pango.
And then the rest just becomes a cascading effect.
That was a 5k loss on your initiative.
And now you're-
KJ again?
Yeah.
Now you've lost all map control too.
You have one ward in the bottom lane for another 10 seconds
and then you're out of vision.
So that was...
There's two sides to that.
I don't like the move from LGD,
but very heads up and very fast response from Tundra.
Oh, very long.
I really recognize you.
Is he actually just gonna die here?
He does.
Oh my goodness.
You just knew this was gonna happen.
They played a two hour game.
They're so exhausted.
That's why I brought it up.
You brushed it up.
I don't know.
Hey, there's too many deaths on this spot.
I mean, you can blame whatever you want, but there's definitely a bit of a class difference
in this game in the direction that I was not expecting.
But that's the thing about Tundra, even when they have a slow start to tournaments, they
can always, any given day, they can just turn off.
I mean, they can win the tournament.
Yeah, they absolutely can win the tournament from here.
It's not even that forfeiture to imagine a top three.
If they just get, sometimes Tundra start the tournament really slow and they get the ball
rolling and then they just keep that momentum and get very far.
Not to get ahead of ourselves here, but obviously this is a good game played against a strong
opponent, so a healthy development for them.
Still need to finish it off though, we've seen a draw come back from 15k down against
this earlier today.
True team spirit.
I feel like Tundra at their peak,
the reason they get to these peak moments
is because of BZM actually,
because I think he swings a lot,
whereas 33 and Purek to me are extremely good
and consistent, where BZM can sometimes flop,
but he can carry games as well.
I think BZM's lows are maybe the lowest
out of their three cores,
But I don't know if it's fair to say that Pure is consistent either.
I think he's been a bit of a mixed bag, but he's less of a mixed bag than BZM.
But the thing about this team is when they're all playing, their ceiling is like one of the absolute highest, right?
When everything is, when they're all firing on all cylinders, then they're a very tough team to beat.
And I do agree that if you have to single out one player who is...
A big murder when things don't really click, it's BZM and then he has these unbelievable performances too, so...
And when you build a team, you want to have the right mix. You don't want everybody to be stable and not flashy,
but you also don't want too many volatile players because then things can go a bit too far.
Imagine a team with five eternal enemies. What would happen?
They would own the whole stock market, I think. It might just take over the world.
Maybe
That's some real insider trading right there cloning yourself five times and trading with yourself. It's next level
Yeah
Well, that sounds like somebody in office right now
That will not be named cloning
Well, taking advantage of insider trading was more
What I was going with for sure. I'm sure they'd love to be cloned
Tylong has the E on disc with the witch blade now.
And Yuma, the hero that you guys were all praising, what point does he need to get to
where they just can't ignore him anymore?
I think two more items just to hurt.
Two more?
Yeah, two more items and then he has a serious problem.
I think Silverage BKB.
I really like that he's not finishing Manta. I don't think it's worth it.
I think the other items are a higher impact for this game overall.
He's recognizing that until he gets BKB, they're just gonna immediately get on top of him with Ravage and with Pango.
But if he has BKB, he has so much staying power and so much damage that you can fight back.
The Manta isn't gonna help with that.
I like this.
Rosh is up.
They'd love to get a pick off.
to be able to insure this one's free.
Funnily enough, I think if they just take it here, nobody would contest.
Which may just be what they do anyway.
I wonder if this is a high ground Aegis for them if they get it.
If they feel that confident.
That's one of the biggest strengths of Caudal when you're going this holy locket build,
is the way to enable you to push high ground.
Um, and I think Ari understands that pretty much better than anyone, just Kato is very,
very good at playing timings, so I wouldn't mind if they go for it, if they think it's
the right idea, then...
I would believe they could potentially pull it off with the right formation.
You put SF to hit the tower, you have Kato at a nice distance behind, and if you SF does
get initiated on, you kind of need to use a lot of resources, and that gives Pango, uh,
a free joy entry into the fight.
that's your new thing huh you love that it's so good I appreciate that
no I think sometimes you do that just to make sure I'm listening which you were
lucky that time no usually I do it I know you're many jokes that I like
people will clip at some point and I realized I didn't react to it I literally
was not listening. You do the same though to me so and even back and forth.
Have you noticed that the funny jokes they clip are mine and you're not listening and
not the other way around? Yeah, I actually have. I'm depressing.
Unfortunately, I'm here. I can give you a hint.
Go ahead
I mean joy and trace
Yeah, just keep saying joy entry until it really catches on that's right. Yeah, it'll it'll become a thing make that your ti voice
Joy entry joy entry there you go freebie for you. I'm like oh to joy
Yeah, not copyrighted. So you're good. Oh, that's actually true
Like the arm of something
All right, next time around that's the last two to so now tundra. What's it gonna be? Are we farming the map or are we trying to
Want to burn this ages as fast as possible and they will I mean drows back in a punch
They get licked again, they're gonna get healed up from the Illuminate why I'm on jumps in with the impale only hitting one
EZM still waiting to go with the rolling thunder
And it's a lion gets killed off by you. I think that wins the award for most uncoordinated push of the day
They just send your 2,000 range in front of his team
I don't know whose call that was the way that happened
But SF goes up to hit the high ground completely alone. They kill him for free with the Aegis
He comes back up lion tries to help then he dies unless the end of the push
Did you see the clip today? Well the same hundred dying to mines right now. No, I didn't see that
you know I usually don't do this syndrome can you go on reddit and just
look at it right now okay it's worth interrupting this entire cast okay it's
so fucking good it's like the best clip of the year genuinely I have to see this
them and narrate it please for us all appreciate no no no no why not oh no
you have plenty of time oh no oh my great narration all right they went they
went five they went five people through the ticket and they were like seven
lines that's like an old-school techies right that was great yeah I mean it's a
funny clip but fuck techies though
I'm gonna chase down the viola core
Well, the reason I wanted to bring that up is because you're talking about them be uncoordinated
I wouldn't argue that is uncoordinated as well. It a good second or close to a second to react
Yeah, nobody really did wait. Yeah, so the puck went through the gate and heard the mine sound and can and they shift
Yeah, and then the rest of the body's like, oh, well, I guess you can't hear it from the other side of the gate
yeah I would love to hear comms on that one in particular knowing BZM he didn't
say anything that would have been the funniest one I'm face-shifting guys
What?
They're shitting?
Alright, they find another Rogue Tramp here and that is going to be the second torment
of the game.
Going to...
Not lying.
Damn it, all to hell.
This is not great here.
I think it's very, very hard for Whitemon to get much use out of this.
It's not a good game to stand still.
Online.
It rarely is
I think the chart actually has its moments even potentially in pro play where players might underrate it, but
Let me hate lion like a normal person. Oh, I you can hate it
That wasn't my perspective wasn't whether it was fair or not
Yeah, it's just you you always try to make it seem like
Just let me have a win. Okay. We you have a win every time we bash Kez
is
And it's not you could just get with me on the huskar hate train then we could really align our
Yeah, yeah
I think design wise it's not a problem though. I think that is
Actually the opposite. I think it's very interesting design. Yeah, very interesting
How's it jumping oil on the two from thai lano's nice guts on the wyman cannot get anything off dkb for yuma
And this thai looks to be very bad bzm gets the barrier
Well, they go back in with the rolling thunder pure comes in there to the right clicks on to the frog man a slow to a call
Thanks for the solar bind
Or whatever help that spell is called who cares one-to-one off lane for off lane
The other four will live for once
As the chase is now on to tie along he has been dying left right and center and
as so again
I could definitely see the value of the cheevo's there on the Largo, how long he was able to tank here for.
It was quite crazy to watch, but ultimately...
The problem there is still that Yuma gets boxed out, and I'm a little bit surprised he wasn't able to find more footing in that fight.
He did only 1500 damage on the draw, but maybe a bit of a vision issue.
Generally speaking when fights become extended like this and key stuns are already being used on other hero's stock and find more
Impact, but not that time. Okay jungles. It's been a good minute since you got caught
Ashes to kill our Jules
Yeah, he does. It's actually kind of fun. I'm gonna kill
Slowest kill ever
Yeah, in the meantime feel the core will get out against passive pango. Is there a
name in Dota
Spell name, I guess that trips you up at times. It's for me
Solar bind is one of the worst for some reason and I know there's no grim stroke in the game
But so by solar by like they're so similar. I feel like I'm saying the other one. I quit
I call ringmaster grim stroke
You call ringmaster Grimster. I don't know why but sometimes I call ring grim
And then I correct myself. That's the only one that really came to mind. I don't know
Drogue yeah, that sounds really bad actually don't say that
Talk about a joy entry
It's never going to get old actually, it's so good, it's so good.
Usually you don't invent phrases, I would say you're pretty bad at it because you're
not a funny person, but this one in particular is really good, really, really good.
I don't know if you can count it as a phrase.
What else would it be?
When you say a phrase it's usually like a catch phrase, like you have a saying.
This is just too word.
can be a catchphrase why not all right you could have a catchphrase with one
word get give me your best one word catchphrase I used to have one when I
would start casts I don't know if I could do that anymore because my voice is
human but usually stars a castle I don't think saying hello everybody this is
purge counts as one word even though no but just hello you in a very specific
ways. The puck actually dodges the requiem, pure. He has used his fist and died again,
but not yet. Wait, they don't see him? Oh, he was behind that one tree. He has illusory ore,
but doesn't want to use it yet. Face shift, dodging the impale. Does that give vision though?
Oh, they cancel the blink. Into the tree line, another myth and fail. Into the tree line,
Into the area that no one else can go other than Phoenix. Oh, he Johnson another missed in pale
Oh my goodness. This is a long as chase. Hi long
They got a sound half killed finally. Holy shit space
Even though that took a full minute that it's still worth it probably
Well, that was entertaining, though.
Not the other core.
And maybe not space after all.
He's gonna get dropped here, he's gonna pop the DKB, gets to kill with the Raze.
You're already with his DKB, but not getting full use out of it will just nice fall away.
Space created for what exactly?
Yeah.
Space created for KJ too. Once again, played behind enemy lines.
Oh yeah, the thing is he doesn't have any wards or his shards, so I'm not really sure what the purpose of this movement is if he's trying to kill couriers or hoping to get some sort of key information, but if it's couriers, he's after a little squander and is currently flying over.
But the deliveries will arrive, shit. That's a swift blink almost.
Shift blink? Is that what you're gonna say?
Shwift, there's a word. Of course, Shwift, yeah. Shwift Blink.
I think calling that a shitblink is very unfair. It's a great, very strong item. It's the best upgrade to Beggar.
And a Badger for Pango. I think the coolest one is one that nobody buys, unfortunately.
The extra range is so good. So good.
I mean when it has CDR it was the best one.
Of course, that was a good buzzer.
That was so ridiculously overpowering.
We had our 10 minutes of fun with it.
It's Aegis number three for Pure, they have the Roche banner.
Now the siege is upon them.
Jumping in is BZM, they're going to get the ravage off of you and this does proc for Whisper.
Looks like they're going to back up temporarily.
for rarely it's pretty interesting bkb usage
okay
That's really uncoordinated doesn't it I mean I kind of didn't mind what they were trying to do there
The problem is just the end is is so good against their lineup
You have Tide pango who really want to you know one two punch combo and kill people but
Largo with a disc and puk with a disc
Don't make for very good targets and droughts in far bag and she is
basically maxed out here I guess you could replace an item for butter I say
maxed out she can obviously consume her eggs and get a butterfly which is
probably what's coming up next but it is not easy to see Tigran against this
radiant lineup this game is not even remotely over yet with 20k
I'm seeing how much impact whisper is having without ag
I don't know. I haven't really... It's tough to like gauge like just visually if it's doing it. Yeah
I guess the type of fights this game has had I don't know how much the eggs would have actually
helped. So so far so good. I'm just surprised he's still not buying it at this point like surely
when you have all of these hands but no you know he's here no shard yet for 33
maybe that's next on the menu they spot him keeping on top of why mon
impale misses I along round number two attempted to see this one should be fun
let's see if King dog he randomly got clipped today no I can you I don't
Remember if there's an audio cue if you hit gush on a target in trees if there's like a I don't think you can talk
Oh whispers alone if they couldn't see up
Gonna try to
I mean logo when he's playing his songs he has 60 armor
They don't really have a good nullifier hero. You could put it on pango. I guess yeah, he's pretty decent
I think that's a very viable choice and I don't think that's a little weird. I
Would definitely like to see that and I think you could make a case that he should have bought it over the basher
I was in the bathroom penguins always good, but
Given the issues that tundra are facing now. I think it's the best item he can buy
He's curing up a Bissell into octareen though. Oh, yeah, very aggressive play. Okay
Gonna be licked, gonna be bushwacked, and 33 blinked in to get this knife instead.
The Ravage comes out, not quite flipping, another Ravage from the other, and he comes
up from Yuma, and an instant TP from 33, but the Overgrowth cancels it, it'll be dead to
Ryzen and the rest of Tundra now on the run.
We need a slow kill on the 33, if the puck is actually hexed up to get the double impale
on top, but where's the damage?
Pure, not looking to go in.
High ground defense successful, we'll call it from LGD.
They're just kind of just botching this, no?
So they go in, they ravage, he refreshes, and then he uses the second ravage after Drow
got out of the stun so she could press PKB.
That is just, for this level, that is not really acceptable.
It's very unusual for 33 to mess that up, because there's nothing interacting with him,
with him preventing him from doing it, I think.
But even then, if he hits the second ravage,
I don't even know if they kill her,
because they're just in such an awkward position
going deep to this dive.
I think if you do want to commit to this deep dive,
I don't mind it, but I don't think you do it
by shadowfiend blinking up to hit the tower first.
He used to be able to blink into the base with you guys,
if you want to do that.
And that is another Aegis, burned out.
I don't know, man, I'm feeling a 50-50 here.
Especially seeing how Tundra have struggled to break the high grounds this this if this was even on gold
It would be very radiant favored for me
But they at least still have a meaningful advantage in terms of the gold
But I'm not really able to convert it on the pushes. That was a refresher from Roche, but we don't have that play again
true another
Good while
Yeah, I feel like these ravages
Pure is nowhere nearby to actually take advantage of it. They didn't that's the problem
It's like you have this rolling thunder CC
Not doing a ton of damage with the ravage on time and really nothing else
Definitely a bit uncharacteristic
This buys more time for LGD I long has arcane rune now
As the full Parasma whisper with a sheep stick so it's still not going for eggs
Looks like he doesn't want to buy it at all. Yeah looks like it's gonna go shard next into
Travels 2 that's when you know you don't think the eggs is good anymore
33 missing a fish by the North Porminter. I guess she's just flopping. Don't alter that to him.
I could wonder if I get in trouble for that one better than a final pause I guess
that's a blast from the past that is a throw which ti was that was a ti one or
two to two I think hmm might have been three oh you might be right actually
There's a fish. Fish is still there for him. Oh, he found it. Good job, 33.
Yummy.
Now, the shard, will he be the recipient? No. It'll be the shadow friend.
So, 33 is going to have to buy his own.
I don't know if he wants to. It's actually not very good this game.
Is it not good again? How does it work against Puck with Deon? It doesn't do anything, right?
I mean, it's okay, it's just so hard to land it, like catching pluck off guard in the first place is difficult and then having to use that
I think there's better options that just are more likely to have higher impacts, like you could buy a refresher, you could buy a camp Wind Waker right now
I guess he's just expecting to get the next Roche, you know what that's telling me
Yeah
I feel like...
If you can find Octorine, you're just more of a gush bot
I think that would be cool
With the Wind Waker, he can front land though. I think that's the mindset here, is he wants to be able to jump in like he did in the previous fight, but actually survive it on the way out.
Speaking of, King Jungles will get a Wind Waker for himself. Just playing more and more into the fact that there's no nullifier in play.
Additional save together with the discs.
Very reliable too, because Trann is just gonna be hiding way behind the fight, and then if anybody gets initiated on, he can blink Wind Waker them and overgrowth.
Yeah, if BGM wants to get it, he has to eat an axe to do it, since it's really expensive, but he's opting still to be a Bissell.
Which obviously can be powerful as well, but I mean, there's what, two E on this or three?
There's three, man.
I think so.
I don't know.
Logger hook.
Two on fours.
Going thunder.
Trying his luck.
But that rhymes with luck.
Fuck puck.
And we'll get out.
Oh, you got one of them, right?
It's pretty good.
Very frustrating heroes to play against in game states like this.
Puck is just such a late game monster.
So hard to catch.
Still has good damage output.
I feel like they did a good job against it, though.
Yeah, two and six.
by long but he still went once you reach this point in the game where everybody
starts getting six spotted not what happened earlier really matters so much
anymore the interesting thing looking at the net worth obviously the S of his
way ahead but in terms of supports the coddle that's kind of expected in the
longer games mounting a huge advantage over the other supports that's the
majority of the gold lead it's just that one hero so how much bang for your
buck are you getting from this 10k gold honestly it's not really that great I
think octarene into a wind waker he will have more spam of his spells but it
doesn't really seem to be the problem here at the same time what would you buy
though it's just I think that's a really good point that's such a big part of
the net worth is on the support that can't really change the outcome of the
I'd like to have seen an axe though. I think that would be potentially useful
The willow whisk, yeah, I'm surprised he's not buying it to be honest given how chaotic and long these fights are just more garbage
Yeah in there. I think that's a higher impact item than the octurane might have been
Tough to question our on this hero. He's a very very good coddle player, but I I just don't really feel like this is changing much
Another Roche incoming. They will spot it. Roche number four. And let's be real, they haven't really gotten much out of these yet.
But this time, LGD are going to try to counteract it. They get the sheep onto White Mountain who doesn't end this on his own.
They're still working on Roche, but Roche is moving! Oh no! Horrible timing is pure now!
BKB, but inside the coil gets off the record and Roche is also taking part in this fight.
in this fight, Yuma gets to the high ground, destroys 33 as a result, and Lyon's gonna
be next on the deck as BZM has to high tail away, and the Arcane roof picked up by the
puck as well as he gets thrown now.
We got onto BZM, the one pick full advantage.
Catch puck in the game.
They're trying to finish off those, and they will.
Yuma gets it, but the Ravage comes out for 33, he's stealing goodies against the banner
and the refresher shot.
So that ends up being a 4 for nothing, I believe, with the buyback on 33.
They're in huge trouble now that that was the thing that couldn't happen not accounting for the movement of Roche with the timer
Dying on tide without getting a ravage off and you have to buy back to TP in and then gets off a ravage
That's rather inconsequential
The only saving grace there is that you stole the refresher, but that is not worth the cost
And I again, I just think we're approaching a point now where the radiant lineup is just better like it's so hard to catch
It's so hard to kill a drow and Largo is eventually going to get a 7 by the max.
Which matters even worse here.
Honestly, I have to say as much as we're a half a gunner, I think it's a really cool
disease that you can play that hard.
Oh, it's great.
Yeah, it's great.
Because we've been saying this hero has one build and we're first doing something else
than what we've been doing for a moment.
Oh my god, some good connection on the drow with no real follow-up damage at all.
at all it's 33 gonna get off the Shiva to get the connection on Tyloon but
able to face shift away now break on the 33 has the BKB in retreat and drow as
we've seen so many times in the past can absolutely destroy these towers
fortification 10 seconds for the SF to come back with this still against in ages
for three minutes. So 4v5, 1 damage. The second ravage is off the hold on in 25 seconds.
That's keeping it from pure joy. You can watch the 5-pops of BKB doing a lot of damage to Whistler.
Looks like he'll survive though. They're gonna continue on. You might not take the
front of the damage from the illusions, but the glacier to work and pure gets destroyed!
Absolutely destroyed by the Drow. As the rest now on the run multi-shot, not gonna clip anymore.
They get the full land, and now they can continue.
They can force out this buyback onto Pure.
That was so insanely aggressive to Joe.
I think he was just hoping to catch them completely
by surprise that they wouldn't expect that at all.
And I think they didn't.
But there wasn't enough follow-up.
There was no stuns.
So they just, yeah, there's an SF blinking at you
and hitting you.
Just get out.
And there's the buyback.
Rolling thunder right onto the drop still.
The age is for two minutes, so they need to find something.
Get off of the glacier as there's the ravage from 33.
Nice windbreaker.
Wind Waker from KJ on to Drow, can turn this around.
On to Pure who's now hex, pops the Manta, they're taking so much damage.
He'll only allow himself on the back line, he finally gets a one life on to Drow,
but this is going to be a die back on to Pure.
And now the BKB is still secure for Yuma, he can go to town on the support.
White Monotheon just will survive, the lick on the tide gets brought back into the prey as Yuma.
Thinking about his choices, gets the Glacier off.
No SF, they can regroup and the kills are continued to come.
But the finger of that is enough to kill off the frog finally and Yuma gonna be brought
back into the arms of the tundra side with the impale to follow as well.
Can they finally get in it?
We're gonna leave BiBak on to the frog, he's actually here, we have Yuma with the satanic.
Doing so much damage, they're gonna be able to kill off everybody.
Three dead without BiBak on the tundra side.
Ari looks to be next and that should surely do it.
There is no way to defend now, it's now they just go for the tier fours.
Super clutch plays there coming from King Jungles.
Living armor, saving with Wind Waker, getting off a big Lotus on the Dral.
They're using 4 staffs, they're using everything to keep her alive at 10% and get that safe
panic off and fire a couple of arrows.
That'll do it.
You always had this feeling in this game that if Tundra bot shit once on high ground, they're
going to be struggling and that is exactly what happened.
didn't get through when they could. Yeah, they're going to use Coil and Pale, not going to do a whole lot with
through the BKB, counter-acts all of it, Whitemon dead to right. Lone member R.E. can only watch on as
they lose this game after having a pretty sizable advantage, but like you said the high-gun attempts
just watch after watch after watch, one too many, and LGD take full advantage. Yeah, it's it's funny
to see how this game played out where I think compared to the rest of the tournament, Tundra
really outperformed my expectations in the first 20 minutes, but then when push comes
to shove and you need to get the game winning plays and you're seeing the flaws, you're
seeing the cracks in the armor and they're taking advantage of that on the side of LGD
who just, you know, they've just been playing better and they find a way to win a hard game.
Yeah, LGD, they win two games in three hours, not bad.
I think that's a pretty good ratio of maybe not a T doing 27 pubs in 24 hours, but either
way LGD being able to stay strong and hold that high ground for themselves.
That is one of the tougher things about going up against some range to hard carries like
a draw ranger.
Yeah, I mean LGD, they played an incredible game also MVP, maybe going towards 33 for
that, you know, 43 minute push going up the high ground, maybe not getting the top of
Yeah, that was some questionable stuff happening from Tundra, that's for sure, but LGD, they're a strong enough team that they can capitalize on the mistakes of their opponent and then get themselves the win.
But Tundra, let's be honest, they should have probably won this game.
Yeah, it's a weird sight to see LGD being the clutch scaling team when playing against Tundra.
LGD.
That is like a bag of T8.
LGD.
LGD.
Conquered.
LGD.
Is this children or the newborn?
Alright, get me a go. I was thinking something more positive, but okay.
Yeah, it's crazy. It's a crazy world we live in and kudos to them.
I hope to see if they can keep the streak going.
Is with that win, are they confirmed to top two?
Yes, they are!
Woo!
So with that, I want to see if they can actually keep it going in the play-up, right?
I don't know if they are, by the way, because Bebham also won their series, so...
So they might be but they are this is including noise status. That's correct
But they are literally number fucking one
Come on Quinn look at that
I was glazing
One time brother
the first time. I'm not sure
what's going on. I'm just
going to go back to the current
Copenhagen. But Asterix best of
one's best of three is very
different. I really hope they
get to maintain their form
because best of one's they
worked well, but it will live
in the moment. They're number
one. You can't fault it. Lgd
number one essay number one, I
guess. Thumbs up. That's right.
We're gonna have a good results
for today as well. So you guys
can see everything that played
out and we followed all three
of Falcons final best of ones
on and take a better position for themselves in the group standings. And of course, a massive,
massive props to LGD. They came up against Extreme Gaming. That one felt like it really
should have gone their way, but to Eek at a 110, 11 it was, right? A 111 minute game up against
Yandex and then to have to play within 25 minutes and have a big comeback against Tundra. Like,
this team truly deserves that number one spot that they got. They do. They absolutely do.
Mad props to him. It's not easy to improve in Dota. It's not easy to go from being the schmucks to
Contesting the big dogs and eventually even potentially we'll see how the rest of the tournament goes becoming the big dogs themselves
I'm not sold on these runs
Until the bracket starts everybody knows that's when the show you look at look at Navi in the group stage last tournament
Who on top of the group's nerve is back?
And then, boop, boop, and he really bombs out, okay?
Doesn't count, it fills in the bracket.
I mean, he is right, all right?
Because the fact is, the 111-day game,
the back and forth between the Andex,
you know, it is rare for Quinn on the panel,
but the back and forth between the Andex,
anyone could have won that game.
Tundra with a double ravage,
not connecting to close out this game,
unable to go high ground,
uncharacteristics of Tundra,
that easily could have been two more losses to LGD.
So it wasn't as if this was a super clean group stage
for LGD, but who cares?
They're still number one.
They can take those lessons.
can learn on the flight over to Copenhagen unlike other teams that still need to play
these last rounds and what you're talking about. So yeah, I believe in maybe a ability
of holding some form.
Yeah, about group stage not over by any means. It is here on the A stream, but we're going
to have a quick look at our B stream because I believe they still have their final best
of one, which is just about to begin. They've just concluded that draft. So that's Liquid
and OG. And now I believe even if OG end up losing this one because of the good Dr.
noise that'll they won't get eliminated I believe unfortunately that has already been
handed to extreme gaming. I believe so correct yes I believe it is XG and Glyph who are in the
bottom two so for one out yep unlucky lads well LGD one historic one historic Chinese
org now South America top and unfortunately extreme gaming at the bottom and the first
first time we've had eliminations in Blast Slam. And yeah, it is, it is glyphonic
true that unfortunately take that wooden spoon.
Honestly, pretty fair teams down there. I think they've had a couple games of like,
oh, maybe, but then on average, it just, it's been uninspiring. They've just been
struggling. So yeah, I feel like the rest of the teams in the tournament are
going to be getting stronger. So yeah, we've eliminated two good teams.
Now, I know I said if OG lose, but there's still a chance that they win, Quinn. And
whilst you had that brief 32nd look at the draft, who is going to win? Liquid or
The team on the right had pangoliquin just threw away.
Pangoliquin did not have pangoliquin, pangoliquin lost like the last seven games.
I'm on the pangolhane train.
Okay, so you think it's a liquid though?
Well you guys should head on over to our B stream, check that one out.
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But our group stage on A stream has concluded.
We'll see you guys tomorrow.
Our last chance, qualify, best of threes, begin then.