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Hi, Eskand.
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Chad, we're doing a giveaway right now.
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Hello, hello, hello, yeah, just trying to give you guys, Russ viewers at least a little
bit of a chance to get at least a few minutes in cuz I know some people were like, I'm
at 99.9% to help some of you guys out who maybe are EU and give you guys a little bit
of extra time.
I would like to do an early Russ stream.
I would like to do an early morning rush stream.
And the next few days, it is a 10 day event.
Yeah, it's Sunday, it's time for Paladin Church.
True, true, church is in session, boys.
Church is in session, boys.
So thank you guys from Rust Guys for being nice
and not rude and being polite.
Um, and understanding that I just had a lot of stuff get announced at the same time.
Um...
Those of you guys who are being rude, frick you guys.
I
As iron mouth one should be playing rust I got perm van so so here's the problem
That's what I've no I have no problem for me for like if people are asking like hey as fan when are when are you gonna play rust?
I think it's normal.
I think it's totally fine as polite.
Just like, hey, but like people who are like really rude about it and stuff.
It's like, look, just understand that there's only a certain amount of hours in the day.
And I've been streaming like, when I stream like 14, 15, 16 hours, I'm trying to get
a bunch of stuff done in a while so that I can spend some more time streaming for
rights to, you know what I mean?
Notifications in.
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This song is dedicated to the Russ players.
I wish I could play all day. I wish
Russ equals wow, they're both amazing
Dude, the streams have been so good man. The wild streams have been good. The rest rooms have been good
No more corn would a GT RP will come back to you. Okay, just just just trust just believe just believe
So let me give me some time to cook. Okay, I got work I got work. I got a job to do
Chat we're on a mission to save Azeroth
I had to turn the song down so I don't listen to the song.
The song actually makes me like tear up.
I hate the song.
I hate it so much.
I'm such a freaking list, dude.
Who won? Who won the winner? Barry White, 3647 from YouTube. Congratulations. Barry White.
That's him. That's real. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello, gentlemen. Gentlemen.
Hello, hello, my friend.
Give me a blast healing as a dead palli.
I'll be right back.
I can eat the dead during combat and get like 50% mana back mid fight.
It's awesome.
I don't call my dad.
Chat call your dads.
Okay, I'm going to go back to
the chat.
Okay.
Guys, I said already rust. I'll
I'm sorry to hear that old fellow games.
Yeah, I'll be in your family and doing okay, man.
I played like eight hours.
You can play other games.
If you complain, you're banned.
If you ask when I'm playing rust, that's okay.
If you're nice, that's okay.
But if you complain, you're getting banned, you're not going to get your drop.
So don't complain, don't bitch, don't moan, don't be a pussy, don't be annoying.
Monday night, I'm going to play.
Tuesday morning, I'm gonna try and play really early
for you guys who are EU.
Stop complaining, okay?
Mods, if people are just being annoying,
give them a 24 hour timeout today, okay?
Yeah, give them 24 hour timeout today.
Don't ban them.
If they're incredibly rude and they're like attacking,
ban them, sure.
But just give them a 24.
And then come back tomorrow whenever we play, okay?
Why is he holding the Trump hostage at the top?
If you make a funny comment like that, that's okay, that's funny.
All right, anyway, gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen, it is time.
We're here for us, but you're nothing but respectful, valid.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you, Walsh, for your pride.
Appreciate it, man.
So, guys, today we have a paladin round table lined up, a paladin council, if you will,
A round table of Paladins, the greatest minds in all of Classic Wow, Classic Plus.
We're going to hop on with these guys.
We got a bunch of different Paladin guys here together.
Savics invited some guys.
I invited some guys.
Savics invited, I think mostly retail guys.
And I invited mostly classic guys.
McConnell is here.
This is the crew.
I'll tell you guys who it is.
Actually, I'll just show you guys.
People aren't cool.
Yo. Yo, Sven. Hello, man. The myth. The legend. Dude, what is up, guys? Not much. Just
gathering up with the Uther's gathering tonight. The Uther's gathering? The round table. The
nice ones. The paladins of the round. Yeah, the paladins of the round table. Yes, sir.
as the man to cover right next to each other,
just like the old days.
Okay, are we all good?
Everyone's here.
Everyone's mics working, camera set up.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, right.
As fan, let's do an introduction real fast.
So I invited RK beyond an amazing dueler
that's been around basketball for a long time,
very revered and...
Big sod guys.
So, what's up?
Kevin was a big comment saw it I remember yeah and we have here a
vangeline and vangars I don't think I even need to speak for them because
everybody knows them I think I think you should I think you should because they
deserve okay the big intro I've blazed them before I even got in this call I
think these two guys are way beyond my level as well and their knowledge in
game and both of them goes deeply into studying the game. They're literally multi-ranked one countless
of times. I don't even know how many I lost count. Vanguard might be at like 50 rank one titles.
Evangelion is like right there as well. And yeah, these guys are one of the best paladin players
in the world. They're really good. They go very in depth. Um, Vanguard, is your mic working by
by the way. Oh, yeah. Hello. Okay. Okay. I hear you. I hear you. And then we have one
of the most brightest and smartest shining star, some say a thousand sons combined. We
have McConnell, a very religious man for the Paladin community. And he has a big passion
for this class. And next, we have S band, one of the greatest, most honored, most
for beard gladiator right there standing proud wearing a red shirt because he's going to
join the Horde this time guys. That's right. No, no, no, no. Okay. I'm just trying to,
I don't, don't put that, don't put that evil on me. You don't even joke. And do I even
need to explain him? Everybody knows this fan and as fan have also invited these amazing
red pattern players. Yeah. I know all these names mostly like Joe Kovai seen you a long
time fossil. Your voice is phenomenal top notch and candidate and surveillance. I haven't
met but as fan, I am excited to hear about who they are.
Yeah. So, uh, I mean, obviously, if you're, if you're an old frog from, from the old days,
uh, Jacoba and I started my current YouTube channel. We started it together. So I've
known Jacoba like my whole entire life. Uh, we, we were basically like neighbors growing up.
We always played games before. Wow. We played Dark Age of Camelot
Dracova kind of got me into Wow
He got me into League of Legends bunch of different games just years ago
Yeah, Dracova was like Dracova was basically like my my like my pseudo big brother type of thing
Oh, yeah, so man, so me and Dracova have known each other for years
And I do want to mention this because I mentioned this the other day
But I want to bring it up again because a lot of people don't know this
because, Drakova played a lot of league,
he's a separate from WoW, but he played a lot of league
and he used to duo with Zion Spartan,
who changed his name to Darshan,
so he's a big time pro player, like before he went pro,
but Darshan, Zion Spartan, he was in high school,
I think at the time, and he was gonna not go to college,
and he was gonna go pro, and Drakova was like,
yeah, you probably should go to college.
His parents said he should go to college,
whatever, and he's like, yeah,
it doesn't really make sense, right?
This was years and years ago.
and Darshon decided to go pro and he ended up being big time.
And back then,
Dracova was like, yeah, now, like ever since then,
and think about this, I mean,
we all kind of had that experience probably
with our parents or something at some point where it was like,
oh, are you sure you want to do this?
You should go to school, get a real job, whatever.
And Dracova was like, yeah,
I think if you ever have a chance
to do something like this, you should do this.
So Dracova kind of pushed me to go
and stream full time years ago.
So yeah, so we've always been like old duo,
like classic palette and stuff and all that.
So I just want to,
Yeah.
Fun that you shouldn't bother going crows,
the devil's thing on every folder name on the map.
Yeah.
You might have done a one today.
Yeah, yeah.
Hey, Dracola, I think your mic, check your mic
to see if it's the right one on Discord, by the way.
Next, there's, I mean, there's Canut Nerd.
So Canut is, I mean, in my opinion,
there's a lot of really good rap halons out there.
but can it was like the god rep paladin in burning crusade last time him and
killer wave
uh... multiple
your rank one multi glad burning crusade rep paladin
you seal twisting god and in canada is is big time
canada is a unbelievable player
knows a ton about the class
uh... speaking of knowing a ton of the classes as a surveillance
so surveillance actually he runs the like club
kind of paladin
like classic paladin discord for like all the different versions of classic
paladin
and really you're the one that run the discord
and one of the guys when i got a many many amazing staff members but you know
okay okay how many staff members there
uh... i i i can't count this point too many
well that many paladins are
okay cool
please i think that
many many many paladins but yes surveillance surveillance another guy big
time
uh...
big time classic paladin guy knows a lot about the class
does a great job kind of help and manage the the community with like through the
discord and everything else too so
uh... yeah
and this i wish i could i wish we had more that more room for more people in
this call because there's a lot of it fit in here
uh...
yeah i i'm but yeah
well unfortunately can't like this wedges there's there's a lot of really
really good guys that i think would be great to have in here
yeah i'm seeing the chat is that a couple of people to like level of
them and all that they're very cool players but thank you for the
introduction guys
Uh, exciting news.
We have some new things in classic forever for the palette and talent tree.
And I guess that's what we're going to talk about today.
And I'm curious where to start.
If we should jump right into the last row of the palette and talent,
which is the big hitter conversation, or do we want to talk about overall,
how we think about it first and then get down to the nitty gritty things.
Hell no.
What's that?
That twist, that is garbage.
Nobody likes this talent, not twisters, not non twisters, not OG, Paladins, not new Paladins,
this talent fucking sucks ass.
Let me know.
Let me know.
Let you be redone.
Let him know.
We deserve better.
This is our time.
Finally.
I'm just here to complain about that talent.
It's the worst.
Okay, so no pattern likes that. Yeah, I mean, I don't like it, but also don't hate it either.
I got to understand that they're trying to make the game a little easier so that there's
more people. You know what? I like how Arcade Young is going about it. I think that's the
right mindset. I did hear how Chris was explaining the pattern talent and I could see him putting
a lot of thought behind it and how he designed it fundamentally. And I think his goal
was to make like an easier version of twists but not remove it. However, the OG twisters
want the OG twist. I know SM wants the TBC version. And then the non twisters are saying like we want
to buy Storm or maybe a new seal, maybe a new rotation. So I think it's very important that we
don't want to make it sound like we want Rets to be OP, but send it to the right direction. And I
think a Vengeline had some good point of making it. I read your document a little bit of Vengeline
if you want to talk about that more. I just made some meeting notes actually. I was turning
into your stream a little bit before it started. I was quite surprised to see it kind of presented
to everyone. It's really cool to see you do that. It seemed like everyone kind of liked it.
Right, more on the 31 point red talent. It's very close to the Sawed Tier 1 talent,
and that one was kind of meant to chore up the fore, chore comes with twisting,
but really none of the pure twisters liked it because of that, and it had nothing to do with
with your, watching your attack timer,
which I think was a big appeal of that.
So it's interesting to see back here,
it is more of a neuter version,
it doesn't do the double judge,
it doesn't last six seconds,
but it's more or less very similar.
In fact, we renamed it to seal stacking
and put it as a separate build
because everyone was like, no,
this is like a different thing,
this is just a new thing,
it's not really twisting,
some people like it,
which is fine.
Seal stacking, okay, I like that.
It's called a seal stacking,
it's kind of like it turns your seal
into like a short duration slice and dice,
like a six second slice and dice.
So instead of like timing it with your auto attack,
you would just kind of like maintain a CLS above.
And I think one of the things that like,
at least for myself along through that like twist,
the thing that makes it so addictive is that your seal
is like a buff, right?
But when you twist it,
if you're doing like a seal-swifting rotation
and like TBC or sod,
it feels like it's turning your auto attack
like an active ability. Because you press the seal, you get this instant feedback of a big
twist going off right away. Because you timed it properly, there's like a skill expression element.
So without the timing element, if the seal is just like a buff you maintain and you can just
like stack them together, it's, it's, you know, there's like a similarity there. But fundamentally,
it's a different thing because it's not rhythm based. There's no instant gratification.
and there's no, right.
And so I think that, you know, while the twist capstone
is like something that is trying to make
twisting easier for people, which, you know, I admire,
I don't think it's gonna make anybody happy
because even the twisters are gonna be like,
well, this is just something different.
This is like a maintenance buff now that we're maintaining.
It's just, it's just not the same thing.
Yeah, there's, yeah.
Did anyone want to add on to that?
I have something to say before.
So I kind of want to mention a little bit.
This is a little, I guess, some lore with, like,
seal twisting and stuff in general.
And I want to go back actually two steps,
because the big thing right now with Paladin, the main problem,
is that you have a, you have a tactility issue in the design.
And I got BlizzCon, I did the talented thing,
and I ended up getting the seal twisting talent.
It just felt so sloppy.
It felt so bad playing it.
like obviously there was many issues but on top of that I'm just like man the
shoes does not this does not feel rewarding and then I switched back to
like a hybrid build with holy and it just feels way better now the crux the
issue is having having to I think it's important to have different play styles
for Rhett because of the two distinct sort of you know that like the big
rift is like classic being vanilla and burning crusade versus the wrath
Rathcata and on version of rep paladin. So they're super different like tactility wise. They're super different
One being more like button-pressy like rotational stuff the other being more of like a timing like rhythm-based thing
As far as like the seal twisting goes now
They didn't put seal twisting in solid originally and they kind of gave us like that wrath version of paladin and I remember
I mean can it and surveillance. I'll talk to about it back then where it was like people were like damn
the sucks. I mean, I ended up not even playing really after phase one until the end of sod
because I mean I was doing GTA role playing stuff too, right? But I ended up not playing
and this was during the time that like Surveillance mentioned the whole seal stacking thing. Like
they tried to implement it at first, but it was like, no, this isn't really seal twisting,
it's seal stacking. It's an easy twist. But it doesn't feel the exact same. So
that's kind of like how it all happened because I was talking to them about it.
And I remember I got a message from like two or three devs. They were like, hey, check
of passion and shit, the bachelor's and I added it.
I'm like, I'm in the middle of a share of selection, brother.
You know, like, is this like,
we're doing it now six months later,
but they are hearing the feedback, which is good.
So they're hearing the feedback and it developed.
So they saw that it was like nothing then seals,
then seal stacking.
And then the final version that we got,
I mean, I still didn't really like the final version
of the solid version.
I thought it was kind of broken.
Like it was like kind of too strong.
The solid version was insane.
It was too strong.
With crusade and device, it was too strong.
So let's go on like a path right here.
I think this will be a good path we could talk about now.
Obviously it seems like everyone's kind of
iffy about the new CO stacking.
That being said, a lot of people
haven't been able to try it.
So it kind of sucks for us as a player
to kind of shit on this build
that Chris put in a lot of work with.
So it might feel bad,
but I do think it's worth noting
like listening to the community.
So let's talk about two things here.
If we were to make the CEO change back to like the OG CEO
twisting how you guys would want it,
or the second choice would be, what
are the talent could we do instead of that CEO sagging
to have like a fun ability that's not to OP?
Should it be more like a supportive build,
or do we want more damage, which I don't know
if we should have more damage because our burst is already
too strong and I can see a lot of people crying about it.
So let's go with that first.
So let's talk about how the OG players would
like to receive the seal twisting if it was that last talent or we could start with that
and then we'll talk about what we could do for that last talent. Can you pick someone to talk?
Surveillance should go. Yeah, okay. So in order. As a quick explainer to anybody who
maybe isn't familiar with the different versions, because there's multiple versions of seal
skill twisting. The first version is the TBC version, the unidirectional. You start
with one seal, you twist into a second seal, it only goes one way, it doesn't go the other
way. You have to start in command and twist into blood. That's the one way version. It's
the hardest version, it's the most difficult to learn. It changes with your attack speed.
If you get like a bloodlust or something, you have to like adjust your rotation. It's
the most difficult, it's pretty much even the best players are going to make mistakes
from time to time, like even on the best parts,
since you're gonna find mistakes.
It's hard, but people like it
because it's very skill expressive.
Now there's also two way seal twisting,
which is where you can twist from any seal
and any other seal.
And that is what we got in SOD.
So in phase three of SOD,
paladins were kind of rioting.
I mean, nobody's really happy with phase three of SOD.
Let's be real.
But at that time, we had like the automatic
crowd pummeler nonsense with like exo spam and nobody's really happy.
Yeah, yeah, it was awful.
So they threw us a bone and they said, we'll enable steel twisting.
It's not going to be the best build, but we'll let you do it.
We'll turn it on and you can do it.
So we, you know, we were kind of happy with that for a while.
And then in phase four with Monecore, we got the steel stacking,
like set bonus, which kind of turned it into like a non rhythm based,
like where you just kind of stack two seals together.
it's kind of like a six second slice and dice
that you can add on top of your other seal.
And so that was cool.
But otherwise we had the bi-directional seal twist,
which was continued to be a thing for the rest of SOD.
It's easier.
It doesn't ever change.
So no matter what your attack speed is,
you're still gonna, you know, one auto,
you're gonna twist from command into blood.
On the next auto,
you're gonna twist from blood into command.
And you're just gonna go back and forth.
Every auto is the same.
It doesn't change.
The only difference with that is
there's like a haste cap, it's a little bit complicated,
but you just don't want to get your attacks be too fast
because then it kind of breaks the rotation.
But otherwise it's very easy.
It's kind of already the easy mode version of Twisting.
Clearly you know the history of how Repound works.
If you were to ask for the correct one,
what would it be?
Which version?
For a while forever, I personally,
I know S1 likes the TBC version.
I love, I still play TBC every day, but.
I think for a while forever, the kind of audience we're targeting to here,
they would, first of all, there has to be an alternative because not everybody is going to like twisting.
But if we were going to go with a version of twisting, I think Saad did a great job because it was easy,
it didn't change with your attack speed, you didn't need rotation helpers or anything like that.
You could just, you know...
I think Saad might be the other line of the sys stacking and twisting, it might be, yeah.
Like sod had still stacking from the set bonus,
but it also had the easy mode twist.
And so like right now what we have is kind of neither.
It's this twist of light capstone
where it's a little bit different than both.
But with the addition of the base game swing timer,
which is kind of the main stipulation before was like,
well, we don't want you to have to download an add-on
to do this play style.
Like that doesn't really make sense
if the game is like teaching in this play style,
I'll go down on the side on to make it work.
Like that doesn't really make sense.
But now we have this amazing, by the way,
base game swing timer.
It's great, I love it.
It's fantastic.
This should have been a thing in 2007, you know.
Okay, so you want the sword version twisting?
Yeah, I would, if I was gonna say a version,
I would say sword, the two way, I could force.
And shall we just go in the line
of like your preference for now?
you go with fossil necks. Okay. I am a firm believer that Paladin is very rooted in what
makes it a benefit to the group, which isn't only damage. So I believe that muddying the
rotation with seal filler, seal filler, seal filler actually starts to really detract
from what made us super good in classic, which was you helping others, you know, maybe
you're spot healing, maybe you're dispelling someone, maybe you're looking at bust that
people are losing. Maybe you're walking in being a battle healer. Maybe you're
trying to frontline. All this gets taken away if our entire rotation becomes seal
X, seal X, seal X. And retail, unfortunately I know people, people are scared of it.
Retail has given us a lot of talents over the years that have actually worked
very well to make our rotation better. Things like mop execution sentence, even
retails execution sentence. You have dragon flights, radiant decree, you
You have Seraphim, Wings, Divine Storm, Art of War-proc-ing, many, many, many different
things that could help feel a gap but not completely control retribution.
I don't think that the capstone should devolve Rhett at all.
I feel like it should be a benefit.
Oh, I'm choosing to not go Holy Shock.
I'm choosing to not go Protection because I don't want Templar's Bulwark, which by
the way is a beautiful build if you haven't looked at it.
I want to go full whole hog into Rhett.
And so I'm choosing something like Final Reckoning, right?
I target the ground, it's a massive explosion, does damage, maybe makes them take additional
damage from Holy for a few seconds, something like a little bit of a setup.
Or maybe we do an execution sentence.
You put it on a target, let's use the mop version.
It would snapshot AP, so you'd use it on an enemy if they're high and you want to
pressure them, or you would use it on an ally to heal them, it's a very OG pallet
and like, you could do something like Seraphim.
Unfortunately, with no holy power, Seraphim would be very difficult to do.
You would do it like on three judges or something, and I don't...
Yeah.
But I think for forever, we should probably try to keep Paladin a little simple.
I know it works on Beta right now, and everyone's people crying, but that's because we have
a whirlwind axe.
Let's not get attracted.
I think that the capstone should aid us, not completely obliterate what we are
doing currently.
I feel like having a rotation makes sense,
allowing us to have open globals, time to think,
look at our party frames, look at our raid frames.
People are gonna love that in general combat.
You do not wanna just only be DPS in my opinion.
Okay, wow, well said.
I think you both are like nailing the points
to your server than Fossil.
I am excited to hear about everyone.
Like I'm sure everyone is like ready to go off,
but we're Paladins, we're preserved,
cannon nerd, let's hear it.
I think Fossil had a pretty good point about how you want Paladins to be doing a lot of
the, you know, more hybrid things, cleansing, buffing, yada yada.
And part of what made SEAL twisting great in my mind, especially the TBC version, was
that you do have a lot of open globals to do that, right?
Especially what I did a lot of when I was doing a lot of the 2v2, the build I went
for that didn't even have Crusader Strike, right?
So that meant I was using a damaging ability once every, I don't know, three globals
and I had a lot to cleanse or, you know, free to mive shaman, do whatever I needed to do like that.
And I don't think seal twisting is really an ethical to that kind of utility gameplay
because it's going to play around a slow weapon and that slow weapon swing timer,
which means you're going to be casting, you're out of a lot of time to cast other spells, right?
We don't have a lot of fillers.
The sod version had a lot more fillers, so it would be very hectic and you would be casting
a lot of damage spells and not really have that many open globals.
But I think a more restrained version of seal twisting, like a big thing I think that's
in seal twisting's favor for forever is that all you need to make seal twisting a thing
and vanilla WoW, just taking vanilla paladin as a base is one ability, you know, seal
of blood and like two passive talents and it's good to go.
It fits very well into what vanilla paladin is and doesn't require a bunch of changes
to make it happen.
Okay. So you're leaning towards more of like a seal of blood type.
Well, I think the design of red right now is very disjointed.
They don't seem to know if they want it to be spellpower based or AP based.
They gave us that champion of light talent, which, you know, people look at it
and they think it's like sheath of light where you're getting, you know, a SP from AP.
But it really all champion of light doesn't make you favor spellpower gear more
more because spell power gears we're usually going to find end but the problem with that is that
if they try and implement twisting into that kind of spell power based paladin then you've got really
contradictory stat requirements because command wants a slow weapon and scales off of ap but
righteousness is a fast weapon that scales off of sp so if they want to do twisting I think they
also need to put seal of blood in there we need seal of blood yeah if they don't want to do
twisting if they want to have an alternative build then it makes more sense to go there. I think the SP
build is an interesting way to do it. Make attack power great again. Okay. Yeah. So as I'm listening
to this I'm curious how you guys think. I'll get to everyone by the way but I'm curious what you
think. How would you guys feel if Blizzard made the last talent row? There's like two choices
but you can only lock on one. It clearly says like you can only choose one or the other
and maybe one of them could be that utility or maybe people wanting that OG seal twist because
man it is hard like to take away twists from the classic OG players because that's how reds were
designed right. It wasn't meant to be like that but people in private servers and in 2019 fell
in love with it and kept it around. I'm curious how people would feel about that if there was
like two choice at the bottom but you kind of choose one. Yeah I think a retail style choice
node would be great there I just don't know if they want to go that far in this.
So I understand them doing this whole, you know, just put 21 points and holy thing instead
So I mean, I think it could work like a 21 point and holy spell power based bill being the alternative to a 31 point and red
Twisting based build that could definitely be a thing they could do
but right now the
Different bills that are available to read both seem like they're gonna be spell power based watch a lot of people don't like and
I mean the main thing is just there's people who've been arguing on the on light club for literally what five years now back and forth
constantly, you know, just a lot of visceral big arguments, twisting versus not twisting,
twisting versus not twisting. And what's crazy about this 31 point talent is it made all of those
people agree with each other that it's just a bad talent. They're united in thinking it's terrible.
There's two audiences. There's people that want to twist. There's people that want an alternative.
And at this point, there has to be, in my opinion, it has to be both. Or else one of
those audiences is just going to play different classes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm
I'm like, maybe Paladins should get, ah, this sounds so like we're begging for it.
But maybe two choice at the last talent to make both happy.
But if I may go ahead play Blizzard side, why should retribution Paladin
out of all specs in the entire game have the only unique ability to choose a talent?
Why wouldn't we give that to feral balance, belly and hands?
So this is a very, very muddy area that I don't think we can do for retribution.
Yeah, why does why does Rhett get to choose?
TBC twisting or warlords of drain or empowered seals. That doesn't really make sense. Now
the population of 50,000 undead balladons is going to become all undead balladons because
they have the unique enhanced flavor that we are not giving other classes in the game.
I don't think that makes sense. Yeah, I agree. That's the choice note. The choice
note is like the ideal, you know, platonic idea of a perfect solution to this, but
it definitely weird for them to be there to be one retail style choice note in the
whole game. And it's at the end of the reptile. Okay, yeah, I don't think
that should be anything like that.
Sure.
Because let me look at that.
Go ahead, Go ahead.
I feel like, you know, they should just
add seal twisting back to baseline,
because right now being an auto attack Andy sucks.
I hate being an auto attack Andy.
It's very boring.
Sure.
Right now we're still doing really good damage.
You know, we're topping the DPS meters,
but I'm not doing much.
I would much rather than bring back
seal twisting not normal, give a seal
and modern down the road as well.
But as our end, our final talent point should be like seal protection from the spells and everything, or put that in the talent tree somewhere, because right now it just feels very clunky, because it just seems like in certain fights, we're just going to be spamming our seals just to maintain trying to twist, trying to maintain this like hybrid stacking twist thing that they're creating with the final twist talent.
Yeah, I think the seal protection would be great.
If I could versus I got I think I think the the way people should look at seal twisting is less like
Something that the game designs and more like something like a melee weave
Where it's like this optional extra thing that you don't have to do
Like it doesn't have to be like a whole spec design around it
We we just need the seals to persist after you switch into a new seal, you know
There there can be a lot of different things that
that compete against that that can offer like a benefit to not twisting, like having more
open globals, having you know, a better cast per minute, like being able to use your other
abilities more, or you know, there's a lot of different things you can do. Like, S.O.D.
had the perfect solution to this because they had the rune system, so they could
make these mutually exclusive play styles that you couldn't, they were all separate
because you couldn't have like the same shoulder, like you had to pick your shoulder.
Exactly. That was really good. Exactly. So it was like, you know,
you could have these separate play styles that existed completely separate from each other
and you could like kind of take your pick, you know, without a system like that, it's going to be
difficult to kind of maybe, maybe a little help, but let's let other people speak first.
I think it gets out of control and martyr is procking on command.
So that's my big concern.
Also the inverse weapon speed scaling from saw was weird.
I think it kind of killed the slow weapon play style and just a lot feral Druids off.
So I think it's a good idea to do that.
Also, the inverse weapon speed scaling from SOC was weird.
I think it kind of killed the slow weapon play style
and just a lot of feral droods off.
I'm curious to hear what Sam or Vanguard says to say about that.
Sure.
Yeah, my main thing with seal choice thing
is my biggest experience with seal choice thing is Legion.
And I thought they actually did that seal trust thing
really well where you didn't have to do it,
but it was, you know, it was a big utility increase
rather than like a massive DPS increase.
So if you're like a PV year rat,
there's no like big reason to do a seal choice thing.
You could do it had more utility.
It had like healing seals or like a, you know,
like seal of justice that we do now.
So I think that could be like a good in-between
where if you're going to seal choice,
it's more for probably PVP reasons or very min-max stuff.
So you don't have to do it, right?
That would people who want to be more casual,
they can kind of maybe stick with one or two seals.
But if you want a seal choice, you want a min-max.
If you're, you know, like a more competitive PVP here,
you would do the, you do the seal twisting for the utility
and everything that provides similar to Legion.
Don't you think people that group up with the twisters
versus non twister will start judging the people
that don't twist?
I do think it's cool that you have an option
to not twist or twist,
but I feel like wall players get to that point always.
So like, oh my God, you're such a new, you don't twist.
And then like now they start feeling bad
and you have to learn it.
non-twisting rats, that's what they are.
They're non-twisting scum.
Yeah.
It doesn't really matter if you give me a part or whatever,
right?
People are like, oh, you're 99 parts thing
without seal twisting.
Because if it doesn't provide a huge DPS increase,
people at a faking PvE, obviously in PvP,
this could be a completely different topic,
but I think in PvE, people look at numbers so much
that you're still parsing like a 99 doing one
or two seals, then that's kind of fine, right?
I don't think people really grieve something in PvE
for it like, oh, you're not using your slow seal?
Like no one's gonna care about that.
You're playing the Legion seal twist again
for like people that may have not played Legion
because I'm pretty sure in here they may have not.
Yeah, so for example, there were, I believe two,
I know eventually also there are a lot of seal twists
and so if you've been an expert in this too,
but there were two utility seals, I believe.
One was like a seal that like healed themselves
a little bit and another one was like, you know,
similar to the seal of justice we have now.
Basically, it's just kind of like a mini sort of slope
and not really, so that utility stuff,
it basically, you can keep it more casual
when PVE is how I see it,
where I think the more casual population is in truth too.
So they don't really have to min-max the seal-trusting stuff,
that could be more annoying,
but for PV peers or people who,
you know, maybe you want that extra healing in PVE,
you're really like a true min-maxer
because you have those free globals,
you have something to do still,
keep yourself top for your healers.
It's not really a big deal
because the heal is really minor in truth,
but it's something that you can min max
and be more skill captain differentiated yourself,
but it's just not a big deal basically
if you just want to be casual,
like you're still parts of 99
if you're doing all your DPS stuff properly.
Okay.
Jacoba and Empowered Seals.
Go ahead.
I just wanted to add that in.
I played a lot of Empowered Seals in the water.
It's kind of a wish list,
but I don't think it's gonna,
I think a lot of people had problems with kind of,
It just evolved into a maintenance buff.
Like people said for PB, it was in big deal.
Choose buff one, buff two,
but obviously in other areas of the game,
like if you buffed with justice,
you had a little sprint, if you buff with light,
you had a small heal over time
and it allowed you to be more defensive,
more mobile, giving up that damage.
And if you're really skillful, you can weave in all four.
It's a lot different than auto attack timer.
I think that was the most skilled version of-
Yeah, I liked that a lot though.
That was crazy.
If you were good, you could keep all four
See above son it was so hot. Yeah, you should taste roots with a just
I mean, I just think it's over
I'm not asking for I was just
Reminiscing it just sounds crazy to me it was insane again. Yeah, okay, uh, dracoba
Let's use mice working cuz he was saying anything. He thinks about this. Oh, yeah, okay. Oh, you're me. You're made on discord. Oh, yeah
It's a it's the it's the actual discord option is muted.
Okay, there you go.
Still, this is only a one tunnel.
Oh, that's good. It's fine.
It's it's terrible.
Sorry about that.
So, um, basically.
Sorry about that. So basically, I think they need to keep the global open and I'd like twisting to do just a tiny bit in each situations.
So still be in the game, but yeah, probably not the 31 talent.
This way.
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, okay, go ahead.
yeah i mean i i think i think something that kind of happened is like
you have a lot of these classic players and fossil you get the nail in the head
talking about open global's and how the class was originally designed in and
really what the whole discussion comes down to you
it's not really just a pattern thing it's a it's a it's a whole
every single class
hold design discussion with vanilla while in classical on general
and if you're making classic plus
you
it's really important to emulate
or maintain
the original play styles of the game
so like if if you are a
pal and wants to see a twist i think it's important to be able to maintain that
having those open global's and having the like
really adaptable gameplay
that pal and sir about like their
how to play a pal is like playing chess that's the whole design principle
around it is
hey you have open global's
you know you had a changer blessings at about to get a cleanse you got a
heel
but you're you're the front liner and it doesn't really work like that in
PvE and I think that's how a lot of people really look at the game
But one of you look at it in PvP and dueling like just like a natural like world scenario. That's where it's like really different
so
Kind of going back to the whole seal twisting thing and what's happened with the 31 point talent it ends up
bottom line taking away something that a lot of classic talent players feel like they already had and
Just giving back to them at the 31 point
So when it ends up being like a kind of like a niche thing like like Jacobo was saying where it's something
Hey, you can you can mix it in maybe it's something that you can do sometimes. Maybe it's something that can add
I think surveillance you mentioned like the melee weaving for hunters and
And you end up having something else at the 31 point entirely, but you maintain the burning crusade seal mechanics
I really do think that that would that would hit pretty hard
And if you want to go like deep rat into holy shock and have that you know
click-to-click kind of rotational gameplay, then I think, I mean, I think you're in a really good
spot there. At least to start. Then you got a two-minute, but it's the whole thing.
Yeah, I mean, Saad didn't have a twisting talent. Saad didn't have a twisting rune.
Saad just enabled twisting and there was like five other different play styles you could do
instead of twisting that were all viable. Like obviously we don't need that many,
We don't need six, but you know, you had your options and it wasn't supported through like a
room or a specific talent. It was just supported through. This is something that works if you
want to do it. You know, you can just do it. It can be flavored into really any play style.
Like you could do it as a tank if you wanted to. You could do it as a heel, like a socket in
if you wanted to. You just kind of like mix and match with different builds. And I think
I think one of the things that Swedge was telling me earlier is like the game already really supports two places like we don't need a choice there we already have two builds right now we have the the shock it in put the dress on spell power stacking put 21 points in for holy shock and then go to the
champion a little late right that's already a thing and then we have the deep red
like Sheila command attack power that's falling way behind and
So we don't really need like a choice-node system to have two builds
We already have that right now, but because the spell power side is so much stronger and because the
The conversion right now is deep in the retry and it's into spell power
Because of that we are now ending up with like this mono build
where everyone wants to get champion of the light.
Shocker is when they get it,
Holly wants to get it, Rhett wants to get it.
Everyone wants to get champion of the light.
It's a big problem, to be honest.
Champion of the light, I think is a really problematic talent.
Yeah.
Okay.
We can go into that.
I actually, I really think what you're going to that one.
Hold on, hold on.
I wanna let McConnell talk, but before that,
I'm seeing a lot of chaos in the chat
and I'm sure we're gonna see it in the comment section.
Guys, just be aware that we're just having
different opinions.
trying to see what options are there.
So just listen, you guys don't have to quickly judge
or copy by names.
I want everyone to relax.
If you're a paladin main, like nerd raging out right now,
you could do better than that.
You guys are paladins, okay?
So let's try to be open-minded and listen.
And if you have a problem, write in the comment.
That'll probably get a lot of thumbs up.
We'll see it and we'll listen, okay?
But Makano, let's hear what you have to say.
All right, in the interest of maintaining friendships
and being, you know, somewhat kind towards the devs,
I'll take it down a notch.
I just have to, are you guys,
are you guys smoking peace bloom?
Okay, how are you sitting there playing rep pal then,
enjoying looking at your fucking swing timer, bro?
How, how are you guys enjoying, I'm, I'm,
You don't have to stare at it do you stare at your whole rotation? I don't understand how you guys are literally
Okay, well this just sounds like a school issue
I seal twisted inside it was not fun, bro. It was not fun. I did fucking I literally you
You fucking for you though. Yes. Okay. So let him see y'all in here. Go go on
I understand okay, and obviously S-Fan I blame you for all of this
I said you should know what like today you should know it okay. Yeah, you got me fired up
But I think okay if you want to be kind to the community
Keep seal twisting as like a fucking
I don't put it on a Libram like does someone send Chad or fucking put it on a put some
jank ass talent way down in the tree, okay?
But that fucking twist of light or whatever the fuck has got to go by the way, I don't
like by the way, I don't like twist of light either.
I hate it.
And who was I don't know it was me and Savick's were probably the first two people to
even touch that talent.
Did you did you did you did it was con Savick's.
i i touched it but i thought i was there all men i don't know how people are
gonna feel about that i saw it
i tried it i like immediately a blizzcon
and i was like oh
this sucks i hate this
i do think
having the the way of like building our talents to have like two different
gameplay to replace houses fine
but i don't think that it should actually be done that way i think that
you should have tbc seal mechanics
and then you have a different thirty one point
and i've i've always thought that
but how do you think that normal twist and another new brand new talent down there with
like it wouldn't be wouldn't be well you have to you have to tune the numbers like when it comes
down to yeah it comes down to tactility right it comes down to the field so you either tune it down
or because now you have another button there well now you have a decision to make and and fossil
mentioned about open globals and having like an adaptable sort of class instead of having like
Hey, you're pressing the same button every eight seconds, right?
It's kind of naturally like boring gameplay.
So it's better to have these sorts of things where it's like,
hey, you have the options, and then that way the retail
Paladin player can have their sort of play style,
and you can have the classic Paladin player as well.
But you have the options.
My problem is I love that slot machine number, okay?
It's awesome.
Like, you finally get to touch them, and you boom, boom.
Machine got damaged, right?
Yeah.
Hell yeah, bro.
But I do think that's where all the cry babies come from like I don't think we should have that machine gun too strong
It has to be a controlled machine gun, you know
Tuning issue. Yeah, the numbers numbers don't matter because they can always change numbers. It's about the field
I think that's that's what it comes down to it's about the issue is if you allow this disgusting twist only mentality to
Prosper which by the way this game is very tribalistic. We're all 30 whenever someone makes a big guy
Better than everyone else literally everyone is gonna twist. Yeah, that's you allow this shit to prosper
And then they tune the seals down if you're not twisting you're even more shit
It's not true though, we had that inside and not everybody to it. Most people did not insist
Yeah
We're not getting 64
That's the thing. That's why I was mentioning the last two bottom row talent, right? Because
in SOD we had that different shoulder in chat and people had the choice to play the different
build, right? But in this 31 build, you guys want one build. So it has to either be the
Steel Twist as fan was or something like Evangeline said was like some sort of utility since
we're the utility class, right? I think you're going around that direction.
Big thing is, when martyr procs with command, you get a double effect, either in sod you
get a double martyr procs, and in TBC you could get an extra proc chance off command
if I'm right, Surveillance, correct me.
I think twisting into righteousness for a little extra damage if you don't have a
button press is good.
I think twisting into light so you can get a light hit, judged light, and you can
get command up is good.
I think there's a good gameplay for it.
Like I said, it's emerging gameplay in OSRS,
prior flicking, I dropped parallels to that.
I think it's very much.
Ball knowledge.
I think it's a good idea.
But the martyr is probably the points
where you're gonna get a lot of contention
with making it, you know, every other global in SOD.
It was martyr command and that didn't leave you
with the goals to do other things.
That was the problem.
Okay.
So if they could capitalize on TBC
where you're doing other globals and it's, you know,
a couple of big twists, maybe one way,
but not every other GCD.
Maybe, you know, there'd be a happy medium,
but for me, Martyr's the problem.
Yeah.
I mean, do we want Martyr on forever?
Like, is that even something?
So, for me, it could be some righteousness.
Yeah, so one twist would be a thing.
I think we want Martyr
because that's what makes the build
synergize with itself, right?
That's what makes it so you actually want one stat
both of your seals rather than having righteousness which wants fast weapon plus spell power and
command which wants slow weapon.
So I do want to mention, well let your color go to the red side.
It's okay if it's not very synergistic.
I think it should be actually generally a bad idea, but if you're a good player you
see a niche situation like 200 extra damage will kill them right now and it doesn't
matter if I lose 4k mana or something.
or like a mini stun right now is worth way more than something later on so it's not about
going through a rotation over and over again it's about
this weird niche one two-second thing that puts you in advantage over someone they weren't planning on.
Right so it's like it's like you might DR stun something even though it's like well I can get
the kill now like well like instead of waiting like three seconds for a DR then he gets something
and then there's GG's.
That makes sense.
But what when we're just to kind of like going to what I was going to say on top of
that, and it relates to what you're always going to say, actually, I think
if you look at the itemization of vanilla, well, and what they're doing now
with Holy Strike instead of Crusader Strike, I personally like I was hoping
they would just give us Crusader Strike.
But I do think it's cool that they implemented Holy Strike and Seal of
Fury because I wasn't thinking they would do that at all.
There is a built in sort of synergy with the class
and using spell power and that sort of class fantasy, right?
So having seal of righteousness,
if it worked just like burning crusade,
I was like freaking out and burning crusade prepatch
because I was like, wait a second,
did they change this?
Is this how it always worked?
But burning crusade prepatch,
seal of righteousness applies on both.
Now it can't crit, which it crits now,
but it can't crit, but you have the itemization
of vanilla rat with the spell power, the strength,
create all that stuff like look at the aq40 set now they're probably going to change a lot of the
stuff it synergizes incredibly well naturally with a two-way twist option with seal of righteousness
and seal of command so it's actually easier it doesn't do as much damage but it's actually
easier than uh than silmarter a lot of people don't know this but seal of command has a spell
power modifier it benefits from spell power like both seals benefit from spell power we can be a
is full power class. I don't think that's necessarily the main issue necessarily like it's fine.
But I think people just don't want to put on the dress. They don't want to wear a dress
and that's pretty much, you know, that's it. People don't want to wear a dress. They want
to, they don't want to share gear with casters. They don't want to do like the, the whole
like, like they, they want Rhett to have like a separate identity than this like
like shock it in kind of like mainly attacking smite freeze kind of thing that it currently
is like.
I think Esfan brought a good point with the set with AQ. I think maybe they could do something
with the Libram or maybe they could do like a two set bonus or four set bonus to give the
option to be like a twist syndrome or not. Maybe that's the solution. So let's go back
to that topic of me saying if they have the choice to make the best version of
or if they were giving us a different choice, right?
So let's go with the seal twist first.
Like I want everyone to like kind of gather your thoughts.
What would be that twist build you want
for Blizzard to listen to?
Like if we could give them the two choice, like,
hey, this is what the Paladins want.
You guys take it and do whatever you want,
but this is like the idea we have,
not the seal stacking, right?
So I guess for the enjoyers right now,
what is the version that you guys want?
Some of you guys are saying like the solid version,
TPC version martyr like which one is it because they they need one good idea to nail on right?
right I
Think I can go first or I can go last sure. Yeah. Yeah, go. Okay
Well, so for me I really think the way that stuff works in vanilla is
Way, but naturally it's way better than people give a credit for however
There is like an extension of the game that's occurring now with classic plus
us, it makes sense to give them a button, it makes sense to give them holy strike.
So I actually don't think it's a good idea to attach play styles to, um, like a set bonus
or something, because then you end up with like the systems issue that sod had where
it was like, Hey, everything put put it on a vendor syndrome is what I call it.
We're, Hey, we don't know how to fix this.
We got to put a bandaid because they still want this.
You got to put it on a vendor and it worked so that people could get their set bonus
from, you know, this tier and then mix it with that tier or whatever.
worked, but it's weird, right? It's kind of antithetical to how Classic WoW works. Now
then, there are specific items that can unlock a certain thing for you, such as, let's say,
a Thunderfear for Prop-Hound and Vanilla is insane, because it makes them like pretty
decent tanks, actually. That's a different discussion. I think that's a separate thing
than a set bonus, because a set bonus, you get locked into it for like a tier, right?
I think the way that it works, you just take the burning crusade seal mechanics straight
up.
You take the coefficients, you know, 29% holy power on sealer command, 20% spell power.
You take righteousness, how they change the scaling, and make it double apply on the
white and the command for a proc.
You take the ability to go command into justice, to get a command proc justice,
you know, like literally everything across the board.
When you take Holy Strike, which is essentially, this is what it's become, the original version
of Crusader Strike in Patch 2.0 was a 100% weapon damage, I believe, 10 second cooldown
attack that had a 40% spell power coefficient, Holy Power coefficient.
And that's kind of what's happening now with Holy Strike.
Now Holy Strike, it got a buff a little bit because you have the, they changed Sacred
Arbiter, they buffed Sacred Arbiter early in the tree, they nerfed some stuff later
in the tree.
Arbiter now makes your holy strike do as much damage as seal command proc.
So it is now a guaranteed seal of command proc and I think it's like seven and a half
times per minute.
So you're basically doubling your seal of command DPS because seal of command DPS is 7 ppm,
it's 70% your holy damage and it's seven and a half.
So it's a little bit more than double over the course of X amount of minutes, right?
So when we're talking about PVE DPS, the current iteration of holy strike that they
have is actually really, really good at max level, even though it's weak at the
early levels seemingly. I think straight up you just if you change it to the TBC seal mechanics
the game will feel so unbelievably damn good that you have the different options and then you
can go the holy shock tree or sort of holy shock route and then you have two buttons to press with
a 10 second cooldown holy shock and the holy strike and the twisting is like I mean you maybe
you can twist a little bit but you're not really going to have the opportunity but you'll
you'll have so much spell power from everything else that's available to you that your holy
shocks just gonna bang I I really think I'm worried that it's gonna be too strong I actually
think talents might be too strong that's what I'm worried about to that's why even right
now even right now I think you're strong it's very dangerous so you're gonna have to
tune the numbers but the tactility feels yeah so that's how it feels I think is what's
important but you got to tune the numbers which is which is less of an issue than
Figuring out the design. Yeah, it's tangential. All right. Yeah, anyone with a different idea of a steel twist
Thank you as well. What about
Possibly assaults from check. What if they're, you know, you in view the seal like what DK's did with the runes with the ruining powder
You do a seal or something to your weapon allowing you to seal twist any of the other seals
I'm not too entirely sure about this one, but I have something to say, you know, we're all like part of the 1%
We're all like the sweats in here, you know, and their perspective of what they're trying
to make forever while is to, there's a problem, the problem is they want more players to play
the game.
This has been a problem for years.
And Blizzard's been doing this for years where they changed the game so much, well,
we got retail, because they were trying to solve that problem to improve or to allow
more players to play the game.
They made the game way different visually.
They made it more for like children.
They changed it entirely to just bring in more players.
And what they're doing now is they're taking away from us the 1% that making our class easier
to play.
They're taking away the reducing the skill scene a little bit, but we're still very powerful.
You know, I acknowledge as a seal twisting lover, I acknowledge that our play style is
boring as fuck right now.
We're just auto attacking.
That's all we're doing.
40 level seal twisting is going to be some form of hybrid seal stacking, seal twisting
type of thing.
But at the same time, at the end of the day, this is an easier version of Paladin
that a regular average Andy will be able to do and the sweats are going to sweat no matter
what game you play.
You play Tetris, you play Mario World, you play Pac-Man, there's still sweats, doesn't
matter.
You know, so I'm willing for them to take away a little bit of our power, a little bit
of our skill in the ceiling in order for the world to be alive.
I don't want to make the game just for the what percent because, you know, the
majority of the players which make our world, which make World of Warcraft, majority
of them would just leave.
and I want the world to feel populated.
I want there to be all forms of skill levels,
and I don't want people to be forced to seal twist
like they do in TBC and Season Discovery.
We'll see Discovery less so once the litter phases
with the shoulder enchant and the different builds
or whatever.
Also, side note, I don't think shockings exist.
This was a mean back and forth.
I don't think it should exist.
There should never be a healer DPS.
That to me is crazy.
They're gonna have insane mana, insane survival power,
insane intellect.
They're going to be able to keep everybody alive and implement insane damage and bursty.
You know, it's going to be crazy if Shaka didn't end up doing more damage than the actual
RET DPS tree.
I mean, that's him yourself.
I fully agree with what you just said.
That's what I wanted to say, literally, is that I don't think my vision of classic
RET is basically like, you know, kind of lowish mobility, but has potential for high
burst and some support stuff.
And also, I don't think it should be a spell power thing kind of as you just
talked about.
It just doesn't make much sense.
I think at that point it's like I put this to Savas and Macaulayus like I just want to go play a mage or something
Right or like a warlock if you want some healing I guess, you know
It's this is not really red anymore. At least I don't I don't feel like shocker than is in the same description as a rat I
Want to add on to that yet
I feel like Paladin is that abused child that didn't have a father and everybody's lost everybody has their own definition of
Paladin they want to be a holy shocker then with the sword and shield or plague build like
Paladin has like so many build that everyone wants to go to because it was so lost and it's freaking hard man
That there's a lot of passion and a lot of people with different build but well said by Ark and Vanguard with that statement
Well, I'm going back though going back though before we move on to talk about their stuff
Final discussion of the seal twist like is S fans version
Surveillance version of the sod one, was there any other versions that you guys would prefer
for them to have an idea of where to like pull from?
Pull idea?
Two-way twisty from sod was the best version of sod, I would say.
There's one way twisting, there's two-way twisting and then there's like this twist
of light thing that nobody really likes.
I don't know.
Yeah, I did not play enough sod late when they actually added steel twisting to really
have an opinion on two-way twisting.
As far as I can tell, it's pretty similar to one way.
I don't think, you know,
if you want from the quote unquote pro twisting faction
would really like throw a fit to this two ways
instead of one way or vice versa.
They will enjoy either one.
The big differentiation is the martyr versus righteousness.
Yeah, which I think we're just gonna come down
to like their overall class or spec design for red.
Do they want us to be spell power AP based, you know?
That's a whole different thing.
I think if they want twisting to be in the game, right?
They, which they clearly do,
they added steel twist of light and sold it as a,
Hey guys, we know you like twisting,
here's twisting, enjoy.
They should just put the baseline mechanics back in, right?
The 0.5 second timer when you switch seals
that was just in there to emulate the batching
that was in the original servers, put that in there
and then you just put like a Lieberman,
that's like you deal X percent more damage
when you have two seals active, right?
And they can tune that X to whatever number is needed
to make seal twisting viable but not mandatory.
You know, it's an easy one knob you can turn as you need it.
And then, you know, other Librams can enable
other play styles, right?
They have a Libram that buffs Holy Shock.
They have a Libram that buffs Holy Strike, you know,
whatever they want.
The twisting doesn't need to be the centerpiece
of the spec.
It doesn't need to be a 31 point talent
that is making everybody who looks at it think,
oh, well, retpaladin is a twisting spec.
They get a label for a Libram and it's good to go.
Is it all right if I cut in here?
It should not be coming at the expense
of other play styles basically.
Which is something twisters also I think agree with.
So I wrote some things down here
and I wanna hear your guys' thoughts.
If that's all right.
Okay, so Rep Paladin, I think everyone agrees
it's meant to be like a high burst melee class
with good utility.
It doesn't actually have to be like top DPS
but it has burst, slow weapons, good utility.
That's kind of the core, right?
So two things, these are my suggestions, okay?
can do either of these two things. One, you could make Twist of Light baseline and add a
short duration, so like 25 seconds, because the problem with Twist of Light is that it
doesn't have the short duration, so there's no like timing element to it. The alternative
is what S1 said, which is just give us TBC seal mechanics. Now this is going to be
like tangential with the clock. This is like something that you can add on to
any spec. Twisting becomes like this optional thing like melee weaving that you could
decide to do whatever. Okay, so the new capstone is Crusader Strike. It shares
a cooldown with Holy Strike you have to pick. It has no spell power scaling but more weapon damage.
Move the int to spell power scaling from the Retri Champion of Light into the Holy Tree and then
switch the Retri from int to AP conversion instead. So now you have more of an AP toolkit,
you have more of an AP setup and you have Twisting as this optional thing, you don't have to do
it and we can ditch the dress and get rid of the spell power scaling and we can just
have twisting this optional thing you can do if you want to it's baseline whatever it doesn't
matter you don't have to do it though it's it's optional i think that would be quick can you can
you copy and paste this and so i can make sure that i'm here yeah like yeah i'll put it in the chat
right now yeah thanks okay it's just hard to have specific suggestions when we don't know like is
sp what they want right are they are they looking at rat and they say we want this to be a spell
power spec and that's what the design needs to be around or you know is do they want ap to
to be viable. You don't really know that. So it's hard to have specific suggestions
for a 31.0.
That's fair. I mean, I think to what you were saying, surveillance, I mean, and then really
this goes in line with Kent saying, you, man, I just think champion of the light.
It's just, it's problematic. Like,
I don't agree. It has to go. It has to go.
No, I will defend it.
No, it's actually the best thing that red has had happen to it and it's going to be the reason why it's Bible outside of literally just auto attacking the monster so so say say what you have to say because I'm I like I have my thoughts and I'm probably I
think surveillance and can it probably share something similar but I want to I want to hear what you have to say because maybe I'm not thinking about this the right way.
So, classic Paladin, it's not only a dress, when you look at something like the Light
Forge breastplate, it's got ink on it.
Now all of a sudden, the gear that you would never take because you just dressed up like
a pink warrior for some reason in classic, now all of a sudden, you do actually want
Paladin gear and only you want Paladin gear.
So you're going to have larger mana pulls for longer extended fights, more using rank
1 blessings, rank 1 seals to kind of dodge these other people.
outlast people because of the large mana pool. You have the ability to spot heal yourself
or spot heal others, which is very, very classic Paladin. And to add on to this, yes, Shocking
looks very, very, very strong. However, a classic Paladin is very, very used to doing
other builds. Reckoning Paladin used to be the premier ret build. It used to not just
be deep ret. And the fact that we're able to do that again with Prott, again with
Templars Bulwark and reckoning or go left and become a battle healer essentially is very classic paladin
If you don't want to just go full rent, I think this makes a lot of sense
Yeah, we can't call reckoning paladin or rep paladin because red means retribution and that's awesome
Was wreck reckoning and there's red
Handler and everyone realized this rep pounds about the show on me
Yeah, I sure I actually like what you said
A piece of gear drops at that high end, you could wear it proudly instead of trying to steal like warrior roguide and
I'm gonna eat this fucking gnome. And he knows that I'm a glorious golden paladin because I'm wearing the golden paladin armor.
The worry with that is that that wrist shit, yeah, only you want that gear, but it might become that's the only gear you want, right?
So the only gear you're wearing is, okay, they clearly designed this piece for red paladins to strengthen whatever, you know
This is clearly a paladin piece and that's all you're ever gonna wear
Which makes gearing very boring as opposed to where you have access to all melee gear or all caster gear because you're wearing more generic
Caster or melee gear. I think they specifically said they'll make the gearing a lot more unique so that next isn't just breaking the game
I'm guessing they're gonna add in like
Cubenoid or undead or beast damage and certain pieces of gear so that we could mix and match
But I get what you're saying too like you want to
Going some gear from warriors or rogues or hunters just just a little bit have the intellect turn into attack power
It's just about power. He's still an elect. You just turn into attack bar instead. Yeah
That's me that would change your gearing a little bit without breaking things drill. Well, so so here's the thing
These are the main points of issue with the talent.
One, if you want to be a shocker then, and there needs to be a clarification of the difference
between spell power and shocker then, because shocker then, it doesn't necessarily just
mean that you have holy shock.
Spell power is like when you focus and build around having spell power and melee stance
and you're this hybrid and you see the righteousness and yada yada yada.
That's historically what it's been.
uh... i think the current iteration of what will be a spell power rep paladin is
when you go
twenty eight
in the current spec twenty eight and thirty three twenty three
so you get the whole shock and you get the bonus consecration damage all that
so you're doing a lot of spell damage
when you have champion like give you a hundred percent elect
uh... surveillance can both mentioned it
pigeonholed the gearing
which is super into that of all the what classic is that what makes
classic so good whenever it comes to gearing options and the different builds you can do
is how you can wear different gear for different scenarios. I mean, Jacoba and I years ago,
I mean, Jacoba still has like a bunch of videos because you came back and you played era and
you were just making videos for fun of like, hey, well, against this class, I'll wear
this one specific piece of gear. And you're like, that's the difference between winning
and losing a duel. And you kind of take that away with champion of the light because
And now it's like, oh, this intellect is weighted super heavily
as far as itemization points.
And you start playing the math game more so
than the just like general decision-making game.
And I think that's where a lot of the problem lies.
You get pigeonholed into a lot of options
that are taken away from you,
which I worry that it'll make it not feel
like the meta game of playing a Paladin
in classic ends up getting taken away.
Now, maybe you just give them some, you know,
AP to spell power.
You know, I know they did that in Wrath with Sheath of Light, right?
So maybe, uh, or maybe you just look at it differently altogether.
Maybe you increase ratios and you don't have a talent like that.
I, I personally, I just don't like the talent.
I think it's, I think it's in a bad spot for everybody.
Cause if I want to be a shocker in, well now I feel like I have to go down
that road cause you're looking at like over 300 int at max level.
You're going to have over 300 int over 300 bonus spell power.
It ends up causing a lot of problems.
I think I think
is a mono build now.
Yeah, if everyone wants champion of the light, the way it exists right now,
everyone wants to put the 28 points in a right to get champion of the light.
It doesn't matter if you're fully shock it in red, you're going to get champion
of the light. Everyone wants it. There is now a mono build.
And if you're getting champion of the light, you might as well get holy
shock. It's going to be way better than twist of light.
If you're already getting champion anyway, so you just might as well get
holy shock. That's the current issue right now is everyone's being
driven into this like mono build, shocker and things.
And let me remind people to do that.
Shocker didn't, it existed in TBC.
It was worse at healing than Holy.
It was worse at DPS than Rhett.
But it is a viable rank one arena spec that is good.
It has an each.
It's not two OP.
It's fine.
It can exist.
But it should be worse at healing than Holy
and worse at DPS than Rhett, you know.
Well, right now we're all just getting funneled
into this like mono build,
which is like a holy hybrid,
like it's like a melee attacking smithreist kind of thing.
Like it's shock it in S build,
but I don't know, I would like to hear people's thoughts
on that and how to fix it,
other than what I said earlier.
Keep reckoning pretty competitive.
So it pulls away from these intense bell car welds.
So they all can go down on different suits.
Hmm. Yeah, I think reckoning is like a whole nother topic. Let's not straight too far away from it
I think reckoning is fun way like you're
Getting all that build up from a bro. And then you just slap him one shot, right? But I feel like that
That is
It's a new trap
Yeah, it's like it's definitely it's like a reckoning is fun. It's good. Yeah
And there's a lot of mechanics to it that I don't even think I mean we keep it will this line up becoming such like
It'll become such a nitty-gritty like hyper autistic conversation
Reckoning like we don't even I don't know what you're going to it. We are I know I but I'm telling you it's I'm a big bit like
Like I my reckoning is yeah, I love reckoning right, but it also is kind of like a noob stomper
And man, I'm telling you fight like a good rogue. You end up fighting a frickin 2019 Savicks, you know
Yes, so it's like if you if you have you have a if you have two guys who are playing a hundred percent perfect
Then the road will win
But if it's like you make one tiny mistake then the paladin gets a big advantage from that little mistake
But if you make no mistakes, then the paladin has no chance. It's kind of how it works or very little chance I should say
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, uh, well, arc, what were you saying earlier about the talent that you were saying something
Deleted from the game that the one that does the increased power deleted changing for something else entirely the red tree should be red
You know, they should make me introduce like a weaker version of this down the tree in the holy tree
But the red tree should be red. I want strength. I want to attack power. I want to swing my big weapon
I don't want to be a casting holy mosaic a benga. You know, I want to be big damn
Well I mean I think that's part of what Paladin is, that's part of what Red is, right?
Yeah, it's like, I do think that the class fantasy is like a lot of, I mean you're doing
like half your damage, not half, but close to half depending on your build.
Okay, Avenge, do you have anything to add to that?
I just draw parallels to the talent with the Shaman one, and there's one that gives
AP from Int, and then there's another that gives Spelldown.
It could be, you know, split into a couple of talents for Rent, or like you said
put the intellect bar into Holy, so Holy Valorants don't feel like they're missing out.
We haven't talked a lot about the other Specs Capstones, Holy and Prots, and I also wanted
to mention that Reckoning can also pick up the spell power. You have to take like three points
or two points, but Reckoning procs on blocks now, so you get yourself a slow one-hand weapon,
and that's going to be a decent build. Also got Swift Judgment, so you can stun in
Command judge twice. Yeah, that's done. That's an absolutely crank. Oh
I was doing a build with with Templars ball work that does reckoning just does that you're you're literally the frontline character despite taking champion
Oh, like yeah, that's real good. I think reckoning will be just fine. Yeah
So this is like a this is like a side conversation, but it's good to mention it now because it's so it's so relative
I think some people look at Templars Brawark is not not good enough
Which is really funny
So I think I think Templar's Bulwark should be the 31 point talent and brought actually because it's I think it's so strong
That it should be the 31 point and they should just basically rotate the whole tree. They should make holy shield the 11 point talent
Improved 16 and then 21 should be the swift judgment. So 21 is a swift judgment
I it's kind of a nerf, but I think it's it's kind of a nerf for like a
a PvP in some sense, but in another sense a holy shield being at level 20 for a prop
palette and who's leveling like you kind of need something like that and also it enables
TriSpec. So if you're like an old slave you guys played like before patch 1.9 and you guys
know guys like Zalgrat- have you guys ever watched the Zalgratus PvP video?
Of course bro.
So that that PvP video is he's TriSpec in it and TriSpec is it's not good at
tanking it's not good at TPS it's not particularly good at healing but what it is it is like
The penultimate class fantasy palette and build where you run around the world and you can do a little bit of everything and it is it is
It is incredible. So they took this away in patch 1.9
And if you just move if you just rotate the whole tree you bring back tri-spec as another
Option as a way to play your character just like running around the world and doing stuff while also
And again, it's a little bit of a nerf. I understand
But man, like I think template ball work is such a strong talent
And I think some people think that it's not that strong and it should be the 31 point like I know that's like a nerf
But you have to be you have to be realistic with your class, you know
Okay
Interesting. Yeah
Before we move away from the whole steel twist and champion of light conversation
McConnell anything to add onto it or anyone else in the call. I
I just think that I completely disagree with Arkavian because I think champion of the light
is a it's an I understand what you're saying that it has issues and it can cause problems
right but at the end of the day I feel like if all you want to do is just stack AP and
strength and go for big numbers play warrior right so we're a paladin bro this
makes sense I told you I'm a stat we've ignored for a thousand years we are a
paladin well obviously we're not power but it shouldn't be the main stat we go
for because then we take intellect and other shit you won't you won't right
now bro it doesn't work seal a command has spell power coefficient holy strike
has a 50% spell power coefficient consecrate has a 80% spell power
or something like that.
Everything works with spell power
to have the big number like you want,
but now you'll also want more than just strength.
Spell power is not the issue.
It's not the issue.
The issue is that it's into spell power,
so every build is gonna go down the right to get it.
It's like, we should have spell power scaling,
like that's a good thing.
I think that's tangential to Champion of the Light,
like it needs a rework for sure.
Another thing you can do is you can also have
AP coefficient, some things like consecrate.
But you know, I don't have a problem with spell power
and having it be like a good stat.
Like obviously she's the light and was it wrath?
It was good.
It was a good thing.
Attack power to a spell power conversion.
That was great.
It was very successful.
It gives you a little bit of off healing capabilities
that allows you to use, you know,
some of your more spell power oriented spells
a little bit better.
That spell power is not the issue.
The issue is that the talent creates like,
It creates a demand for everybody to put 28 points in a ret,
which is just wacky right now.
Like it's just, that's the issue in my opinion.
Mike.
I think I didn't say my point very well in the past.
I wasn't really trying to talk about ret reckoning.
I was more trying to use it as a way to give people
a lower spell power build.
Like a way to gear that way.
Yeah, okay.
That makes, yeah, okay.
If you played 10 parts bulwark, what are you saying?
You're basically like a frontliner.
You're not sitting in the back casting heels.
You're not holy shocking.
What he's saying is right.
You're a front minor.
You're running in every, because you take a talent in this is very off topic.
You take a talent on top, right?
That reduces the cooldown of all of these abilities to four minutes.
So now you go in, you bubble one.
And then one minute later after forbearance, your templates will work.
And then after that, you pop and then after that, you land hands.
You're going to be really, really fucking annoying for everyone fighting you.
But that's, that's the heavy thing.
That's for a soda pop and is crying a river for reds to get in there.
You don't really need a lot of spell power to do that, right?
You just need a lot of fighting stats.
And why?
I mean, we're talking about gearing opportunities
and less about, you know, it should be a good spec or not
or whatever.
What about the champion of light?
I also see it as archivian.
I like that too.
I like being the paladin with the giga chat,
two handed sword, just blasting through it, right?
However, as you know, like we get kind of countered
by our mobility, right?
But if we have a good amount of mana
and that talent allows us to farm a bit of mana gear,
we can counter their like abilities
by healing ourselves, right?
And just spam cleansing.
Like I do like having a large pool of mana as like a red
because that's one of the utilities reds have
since we'd have mobility,
we use our mana to like cleanse ourselves
or freedom party members
or this is another thing that we could probably
have a topic about, but if I use freedom,
my blessing might fall soft, vice versa, right?
It's super annoying, but we have to use our blessings a lot
and a lot of mana.
So this build allows us to kind of be tankier on our mana.
And for me personally, I like PvP and PvE,
but in PvP side especially, like having a lot of mana
as a panel feels really good.
And if we only get attack power builds,
like we run out of matter really fast.
And that's one of our weakness too, I'd say.
Paladin is like really strong and you feel safe
when you have a lot of matter, right?
Once you go, um, you're kind of dead.
So there's that too.
Yeah, I feel like we all agree.
I just might have phrased it incorrectly.
What I mean, delete from the game,
I might be a little exaggerated in my words.
You're good.
But what I meant was it's weighed down the rettory.
So I feel like it should be designed for the rett.
A little bit of, you're saying.
And but it's what the way it's designed right now. It's for like you guys are saying
it's for every other spec and everyone goes down there and I think they should tweak
it so that it's for the rest. I agree. We do need mana until it's very important.
But the way that the word is just going, it's just benefits socket in it benefits
props. It benefits just everyone and it doesn't feel like it's designed for red
when it's so, you know, so important and so deep down the tree. They
should work change the wording, you know, like where the spell power is
scaled off of our attack power. That'd be great. You know, but the way it
right now it's just it just feels like spell power just seems to be the priority as the
RET when I feel like spell power should be assisting the RET not just the main step priority that we
go for. You guys think it should be moved up then or to move to a different talent tree maybe?
That's like on the you know the beginning side of things. I think moving up makes it worse
actually. I think it's a pretty hard commitment to be honest with you right now. You're losing
a lot by going full for RET I think this definitely makes sense for it is. I think you should
Reduce the strength of it make it less of a conversion and then put it in like an earlier part of the holy tree
So that wrecking get it just that it's just like, you know, it's like that maybe like the 21 point in in
Not 21 or like the 11. I mean, I just don't think there's any way to know
No, in the holy tree in the holy tree put it in the holy tree and put it like somewhere that red players can
Can grab it just make it weaker like don't make it as strong as it is right now where it's like a hundred percent, so I
I just don't think there's a way to have this conversation until we know like are they committed to SPB
Direct being an SP spec. Do they want a PRAT to be a thing like it all depends on that, right?
Well, he said he said on the stage that if you don't want to play twist go shock it in
So what I took from that to mean is if you don't want to twist put on the dress
Well, I mean so just shock it. I can both see SPBase as a thing make it
No, I think you said pick up holy shot. Yeah, you said pick up holy shot. Sorry. I
Mean I wasn't I wasn't arguing some man. Thanks. I was just curious what he actually said just to clarify
If we're pvp and we're fighting like you know more confident opponents if you're wearing a dress as what's being said your ass is toast
You have no stamina. No armor. You're gonna get smoked
Well, yeah, I mean wearing the dress is a PvE thing and PvP if we're self-harvest obviously
We were gonna be wearing like you know tear gear or you know PvP gear the stuff that's gonna have plate and SP
Well, now hold on now judgment judgment does have address
It's a it's a killed I wish there was like a different version of Allen like a hybrid
Killed pants. I want to see my leg armors
Okay, so I know you're in tier six.
Any final things about CO-twist,
once how the version should be,
or the hot topic of Champion of Light, anything else?
Now we're going to talk about some other things.
Um, I think, my thing is adjacent, so let's just move on.
I've got two small things in the talentry.
Sure.
The way that two-handed weapons specialization works currently
might be a little not good for Rhett, so we do want to play Rhett with a two-hander, but currently I believe
it's the version that only increases your auto damage, correct me if I'm wrong? It doesn't actually
increase all the rest of your damage. That's actually kind of bad, so if it stays to not just
be a total damage increase, you will actually have builds that have one-handers and shields,
and that's kind of cring, but if that gets changed we'll be feeling good. Now the talent
right beside Champion of Light, people are actually overlooking it. It makes your hammer
wrath fucking instant. Oh, yeah. If you're playing the Templars Bulwark character, you can
actually forego champion of the light and have a less bow power scaling. And now all
of a sudden you're throwing 900 damage truth nukes and your front lining. So you have access
to all these mouse over hammer rats. You are going to obliterate in battlegrounds.
You are.
It should be a finisher. I agree. I agree that's something that was a very big deal.
So not only for that, but if you're a PvE guy, you should be like, Hey, you know, hallelujah.
Because that was a big problem.
It's so bad.
And even in even in burning crusade, you can't really, I mean, it's a little bit better.
I'm burning crusade, but still in your time in TBC, you sense your string time.
So in vanilla, it's really bad.
Now what we had, we used to find a private server where it would like you could, you
could like you would basically like do some bullshit and be able to like get past that.
But it's so bad and it's so useless because it uses a ton of mana and it just resets your
spring timer so it's a DPS loss.
So now it's like, that's such a huge talent for PvE.
I would call it even more of a PvE talent than a PvP talent, but you get a really good
point.
It's going to be really fun in PvP to be able to actually run and instead of being
max range with somebody and it's like one and a half seconds and he's out of range
it's like, frick, and get away.
So it's going to be nice.
That's going to be very nice.
I think I've got an unpopular opinion here, but I actually really like Hammer when it's
cast time, because I just think it's really funny when someone's running away and you're
back there revving up your hammer.
I'm going to miss that a lot, personally.
Well, you know what else too, because it's based on spell hit, I'm pretty sure.
So you'd be like, eh, and then it just flies off into the sun, and it's like, okay.
Whatever.
Let's make a guarantee hit, guys, like, you know, the final crusade.
By the way, that's most of the problems with vanilla paladin is how those interactions
work.
All of a sudden, something is, this judgment is spell crit, but it goes off melee hit,
but it's spell critter.
It's spell hit, spell hit, spell hit, spell crit, melee hit, melee crit, but it goes
off spell damage.
That's where a lot of the stuff is.
A lot of problems are, oh excuse me, I actually got that wrong, command is spell
hit.
They change it to be melee hit on a Leesium, I'm pretty sure, but then it was actually
spell hit. So you would not have any spell hits. So you'd miss your commands. And then,
uh, yeah, it's just, it's a shit show. So that, them fixing that kind of stuff is going
to be a huge buff, like under the hood that a lot of people aren't even going to get to
see right now.
And that's,
I have a hilarious, fun fact about that. So actually they thought, they thought about
this when they coded, uh, command and they, they made the judgment. Uh, they put
it like a never miss flag on it. They were like, basically, we don't want this
to miss, we don't want people to resist their command, but there's a dummy spell that takes
the damage number and find out if they're stunned or not, and then doubles it if they
are stunned.
And that dummy spell can resist, which they totally forgot about, so the dummy spell resists
if you don't have a spell hit, and then it causes the damage to never pass through.
Was this in Sony?
No, this is in Vanilla and TBT.
Oh, really? I didn't know that. That's funny. Yeah, I did not know that
That's a good catch. Are we are we still on twist? No, I was just gonna say I'm glad
Everyone's right at the right guys. This has been a fantastic composition great ideas for me
But the next topic we're about to talk about is we got a thing even harder. Okay?
Mm-hmm
So we gave them the choice of like twist right which is the TBC version or the soft version or like a lip-run version
like you guys mentioned. There was some great ideas. Now there is like a heavy load of paladin
righteous players that hate twist, right? With the passion. There's a group that loves it,
and then there's a group that hates it. For the group that, for the group that hates it. Now let's
throw in some ideas where what sort of like talent could we add that is not too far away from
classic, but still works and wouldn't be too OP. But like right in the center, right?
People say like Divine Storm or Crusader Strike. But I think for me personally, I would like to see
something new. That is like a classic-y thing. And I'd like to go around the table to see what
ideas you guys have that might be fun. I know for the Twisters, it might be hard to like
give any idea because you're so locked in on that idea and you're just righteous about the
twist book right but let's try to step away from it because we had that time and let's now try to
think about what what else could be like fun for Paladins that will be enjoyable and the death to
be like okay fair enough we could try that right it has to be some crazy cook maybe the chat might
inspire too but anyone that would like to go first okay all right so you take that talent
You throw it in the bin. All right, you replace it with a new talent. Okay. Well, I don't know what you would call it
Okay, this is not it's not important
What it does. All right, is it makes it so that?
Holy strike has a 20% chance to reset its own cool down and
It also makes it so that it can proc seals
skills.
Ooh.
At what cost?
Ooh.
So like what would you, are you saying this is the 31 point?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
I can, I can.
Hey.
Not strong as fuck.
I don't like an idea.
It fits with our regularization.
Wait a second.
McConnell, sorry to cut you off.
Um, what if it was that talent you click it, then you have a 20% chance to reset
the holy strike, but it also has like a chance to either do another holy strike
or you could twist with this.
So the twist is to twist or the holy strike and joyous can holy strike right?
Is that too far off?
He muted you by the way.
No twist.
Okay.
When you said twisted, bro, what did you say?
Okay.
No, sorry.
No, I was just talking about like the options, like the two gameplay option.
You can either go spell read or you can do that is what you're saying.
Okay.
Makano go on.
Sorry.
you're about to add something? It's fossil. Fossil. I was going to say we have empowered seals.
Empowered seals from Bois would be really good. It would make us stay in whatever seal that we're in.
You constantly judge. It gives you a buff or it gives you a debuff. Every single time you press
it, we're ramping with it, right? But we're still sticking to that one seal classic palette and
gameplay. And let's say you judge command and it gives you AP every single time you judge with
command. Well, now we're building a beautiful ramp. Maybe you judge with wisdom and it gives
you you know mana per 5 you deal seal of light it gives you HP per 3 HP per 5 you
know a lot like old empowered seals I think that works a lot it's holding
strong ideas kind of a fucking cook I'm not gonna lie hey I gotta get my new
word credit that's that was leveled inside the idea actually yeah all I'll
let it get in but you should get him in for sure also the capstone if we're
choosing something like maybe a little more skill expressive you could go with
Heroes of the Storm, Tyriel Q. Throw a sword on the ground, press it again, dash to the sword.
Not a teleport, otherwise it can't be stopped. But we do want to be able to get trapped mid-go.
We want to be able to get rooted mid-go, stuff like that. But mobility, I believe,
should be our weakness, in my opinion. I think that would be fine.
I would love that, but man, I don't know how I feel about being in classic,
but dude, that was something I begged for in retail. That is something I wanted so long.
We had it in Legion Beta. They took it away from us.
I know.
I know. I know the history about it.
But is it too much for Classic?
Yes.
Probably, right?
But, oh man, if it was added, that would be amazing, too.
Any other?
I think Empower 2 fits because of that, though.
I like the Empower 2 idea.
That's great.
My idea was maybe add like a skill barrier.
You know how Classic Rotation is pretty simple,
and I think every class is wanting that because in SAW,
they did a little bit too much.
the devs heard that, so they toned it down like bare minimum sprinkle. I think it's fantastic.
They're starting with the bare minimum. But I think as I mentioned this, like we're going to see
patches every week or every month, something like that, right? Games going to change over time. So
starting on the baseline is really good. And it's up to the developers to like grow and nurture
those fruits of all the classes. And for me, I was thinking, maybe we could have like a
execution sentence, but it's like a sword version, like a massive sword falling.
and within that window, you would have to throw in three different judgments.
And if you could properly dance around those rotation, your whole rate gets a reward of like
maybe 1% or 2% damage increase. Like I'm not trying to make RETS OP here, but that could be
like an interesting mechanic to add another layer of you seal twisting or a complex rotation,
which isn't too hard. And if you fail to do that, maybe it lands and does like a
mediocre damage or it could maybe echo like every seals 10% of the damage echo onto it, right?
I thought that was kind of interesting and Makano and I were talking about that a little bit yesterday,
right? So kind of like execution sense, but empowered seals execution sense. Yeah. I'm not too
big on the skill expression train. I feel like we're in classic here. I feel like if you want
want to express your skill and you want to you want to do that shit. I feel like
repels a place for that, but that's why I'm shooting on you. I'm not shooting.
It's too much, right? And then it's a classic. And then I feel like this is just
like a tiny, like changing seals. That's not that complex, right? But it's another level.
Which is beautiful, by the way. You can actually just judge. Like there is skill
expression in a bunch of different versions of actual classic. Vanilla, TPC,
and and sod you know rap to some degree but less so like there is it's not
something that's like antithetical to classic to have some expression you know
there's a different type of skill right so like there's like a high APM like
you're on the treadmill like half-second gcd's like full crusade right
I hate that yeah so it's like you know what I mean it's just different types
of skill it's like somebody's a stark player and somebody plays chess right
The first come first serve, Rath rotation, getting it out.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, I think I'm the most, like, retail-ish player here.
So yeah, anything to keep it not auto-attacks in the later.
I don't think the retail players really have, like,
you know, they all have different opinions of, like,
what vision they would like for Forever Rat.
But I think everyone just does,
we don't want to sit there doing nothing,
because that feels just really awkward.
So anything to accomplish that is kind of just a goal,
I would say.
That's why I think the Holy Strike idea is pretty good,
because you don't have to add too much to it.
But it can it can introduce interesting or non just auto attack bullshit. You understand?
And I get worried I get worried when people talk about skill expression that
It might end up too much like feral, you know, john fucking madden type shit
Like I really don't I don't want to get I don't want to go that far
Right tbc seals listing is honestly way too hard. I think for like like don't get me wrong. I love it
I do it every day. I mean, okay, it's not hard to learn, but it is nearly impossible to master.
Like even the best players make the same. Yeah, I mean everybody will screw up occasionally. Yeah,
I mean, you will screw up. And you know, like, SOG was already like the easy mode, whatever. I
think, you know, I can understand, like, we don't want to turn into like some like, only the
sweatiest players can actually play the spec properly, whatever. But at the same time, I see twisting
and it's not really a spec but more like a melee wave. It's like it's an extra thing,
you know? It's like you don't, you know, whatever. Anyway, we probably, we probably beat this dead
horse, so. I don't talk much about it. I do. I do take the ideas. Sure. Go ahead. That's sad.
Well, just like kind of to that point, and this is like not, I know this isn't probably a
super popular opinion, but I do think it's good to have like the top percentage. Like
there's a big difference between like the best of the best and like the really, really good.
But I actually think that it's more apparent in vanilla than it is in burning crusade to be honest
Like even though it's like even the best of the best while I kind of screw up with seals were staying or like
So I just have a bad pull and you're like out of rhythm and it's like shit like I'm just freaking fried
Like in PvE for example, but I think even in vanilla like
That happens even more so
Than in burning crusade at least in my experience. I feel like I
What do you guys think?
Um, I think we spoke enough about the T word, I think I'm not talking about, I'm not talking
about twisting.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not talking about talent as a class, because you're very
much like the whole point of a classic talent or like really like class design in vanilla
and burning crusade is you're playing the class, not the spec, right?
No, that's fine.
You're right.
I think DBC is like the finished version of the classic palette and strings where
they actually get like a one button right at every class counting rogue they all
got something that they really wanted and it hit the fundamentals pretty well
I'd say. I think Jacob looked like he had something to say. Sure. That question
were you talking about PVP and PVE? To be fair I was mostly talking about
PVP but but also it goes to it goes for both to be honest. I'm like what
What was the top end of PVP, I mean, for vanilla?
It's like knowing like your oils basically or like knowing like when these consumes.
But most of more stuff for PVP is like what I'm talking about.
I was just going to show you if I was missing anything because I was like, what?
Here's our resident PVP expert by the way any TBC reckoning players out there
You can thank this guy for pioneering your whole fucking play style and being the first to hit rank one
So true can't one's the first rank one less TVC true
Okay going back to the topic any other ideas for a new thing like McConnell said I think chat's favoring that one the most
Yeah, go on
Okay, they clearly want to play into the whole paladin strength first undead thing, right?
That's why they didn't make exo castable on all targets like they did in a lot of other versions of the game
So they could play further into that right like a 31 point talent that when it's maybe a passive that prox or an active you activate
That marks the target as undead and then lets you use exorcism or holy wrath or fear them
Auto vor right that was another thing. I kind of like to
Yeah
I like something with a little bit more depth than Art of War.
Art of War is just kind of like a very wrath-pilled button light-up, me-press button ability.
I like something a little bit more interesting than that, but yeah.
So how would that work against targets that are already undead?
Then you can just give XO the auto crit against undead targets when I proc.
Yeah, Xoracism is, I don't understand why it's not the solid or wrath version.
I get why because they want it to be it's very flavorful when you can only find it in demons. I get that
You're too many books just make it create it on them. You know, I do think I do think it's like I do think it's too much a little bit
I see what you're saying, but but I do think it's like you're giving it just give it
Give it the long like TVC cool down where it's like 15 seconds like don't you don't make it a short cool down
I think it's I think it's more interesting is it undead and demon only thing and I think a proc that maybe
Maybe let's you use your demon and undead only abilities on all targets could be interesting.
Maybe.
I have a question.
Did you guys, did you guys want to cover like prod stuff at all?
Because we talked a little bit about shock it in.
We talked a little bit about shock it in.
We talked about.
But let's finish the idea first.
So maybe everyone has a turn speaking.
No, you're good.
We could talk about the prod.
But I wanted to keep our focus on the alternative talent if we didn't have a twist, right?
So we're talking about exorcism, McConnell talking about Holy Strike.
Is there any other ideas from like Archavion, Evangeline or Vanguard, Fossil, S-Fans or
Trokova, Surveillance, anyone, right?
Sure.
I agree with McConnell.
Something to have with a proc is very good.
I'm actually a retail player as well, I've played all versions of classic, I'm with
Vanguard.
We got rank one last season in PVP, we're a Hall of Fame Raider, we've been playing
the game for 100,000 years. We're forever. Having a prock is actually kind of important.
We're having a prock is important. Right now our gameplay is kind of stagnant. I do agree.
We do need a little something extra. I don't want it to be all consuming. I don't want
it the entire Paladin class to be consumed by this 31 talent point. I feel like I should
just add extra. If that's a Holy Strike resetting, if that's a Holy Strike adding
a buff that you're watching whenever you press a seal, if that's empowered seals
from Willard's Adrenaline, or if it's really just a new button that you hit, if it's Art of War
Exorcism, I think these things all make a lot of sense, but I don't want it to completely consume.
So let's say we do do Art of War, and you can now hit Exorcism on any monster type that you want.
That makes sense, but if you're adding it, it shouldn't completely evaporate the cooldown,
otherwise we will devolve into only hitting that cooldown. It should just reduce the cooldown
so that maybe you need two procs, maybe you need three procs. That way in PvP it's also
you want to hit a pet, then you
want to exorcism the main guy,
stuff like that. It shouldn't.
It should not completely devolve
retribution, but a little bit
extra would be nice. I think we
do want to keep retribution.
Able to be played by a vast
majority players. It's the most
popular spec in the game, and
this is classic, so we are
taking a little bit slower of
an approach, right? We're not
starting off with all of our
foot on the gas going 300
miles an hour, hitting
everyone on the sidewalk where
we're kind of. We should
start off with a relatively
relatively good speed let everyone enjoy it and then as more people play and as it
develops with tier sets and stuff we should be able to have a more interesting
red I I do agree with these these procs or these little buffs no I do not want
Inquisition from Cataclysm no do not do a maintenance glove please God no what the
fuck no no maintenance was so sick dude no no no no
you're you're i have a problem with the proc though so i'm gonna enjoy the
procs happening and then you get a full reset it feels so good to press right
but for pvp and pv i see one problem okay so what i like about classic is
that it has this rng and it's already booty right if something misses or
dodges it sucks and then i feel like adding another layer of these procs
One problem for PvE I could see is like people are trying to do more damage and they want to like
parse maybe. I know that's a great area but they want to parse but this guy gets like 10 procs of
that and this other guy gets like one proc and then the raid leader is like hey why do you suck and
he's like oh it's just RNG and then you know I feel a lot of people coming out about that like
man I didn't get 10 procs this time so I lost to that guy blah blah blah right and then in
in PVP cases, if you're fighting someone and you're like,
oh man, my last real talent didn't proc a single time,
so I lost, like, you know,
there's people that rely on that stuff.
So that's something that I believe is hard to distinguish.
Or are you guys all okay with that?
I mean, TBC is heavy on this.
I think something we could use,
what I still like Level of Ins and McConnell's idea a lot,
but I think that, but without the RNG somehow,
because you can always make it like instead of a proc,
it happens, or maybe every five auto attacks,
something more guaranteed, basically.
Because there's already so much RNG in forever.
And I know classic is like, it's always like this,
but less RNG, please.
It's already too much.
I want to add something, too.
Like, eye for an eye is a really good example.
It's a fun ability, right?
When that procs, the other guy gets damaged.
I think that's fun, but if we
could add another layer of skill,
what if there's like a 50% chance
where eye for an eye button glows up
and then you press it instead of it like auto doing it.
Like I'm a hard believer of like auto bubble.
That stuff is not it.
I don't like sparks.
It's like a spell reflect,
but you have to like actually press it.
I like it when you're like relying on your skills
and like an auto or passive going on, right?
Similarly to mages when they proc the Vanguard,
what is it called where they get that fire?
Pyro, the Pyro Brunks?
No, no, no.
When they're low, they get that movement.
Oh, oh, oh, cauterize, yeah, cauterize.
Cauterize, like, I don't like these auto, auto saviors, like auto bubble, like, I like
it when-
They just always complain about auto bubble.
I'm, I think you're wrong, Savage, because I think play off a random, like, you're
not controlling it when it happens necessarily, and playing off that randomly is more skill
than just, like, oh, I'm going to save this for the next time I get a big hit.
I don't know.
It's like more reactive instead of proactive.
So it's like, oh, you have to make a snap decision because, oh, he just crit me, he did
a bunch of damage and now I have to move.
No, no, no.
Okay.
No, that's all I'm talking about.
I like the crits.
I like those fun things added, but I'm talking about more so about, if you play retail
and there's an ability called auto bubble, when you get low, it bubbles for you.
And that to me is like just a passive that takes like no skill.
I would like it when you get actually low and then you press bubble yourself,
right?
I feel like the playing off the randomness and like,
like maybe you have three counters on your back bombs.
She's there.
He has a point of view, but they hit you really hard for iPhone.
I'm going to release as early as we'll kill him.
It's just like you have to be random with it and play.
Okay.
That's an opinion you have that I could respect,
but I feel like it's cooler when you reactively like play,
a good hunter would dance around like monkey, cheetah and hawk.
Imagine there's a, the talent they have that automatically changes to like a monkey when
you touch them. It's like, that takes no skill, right? I like it when you're reactively changing
your stances and whatnot. That, that to me is more skill. So if they want to add
another skill of like abilities that we can have fun with, like iPhone is a good example
where they can make it like a reactionary ability where something's coming, we press
iPhone and boom it doesn't damage right I think that's a little bit more fun I think we already have that yeah I think we already have that
Yeah, sure, we have we have auras for how I said this is a good point we have bubble templates bulwark is now a thing
Which I think is insanely strong
So like we already I think we already have that in the other abilities or the average player can even use like I
When I find majors I have to judge like okay
I'm gonna save this global cooldown or am I gonna swap between frost and fire between each spells and I often do switch between
It each time and it's the slight edge that gives me more HP than other players
Yeah, like the the reason the reason why RNG is always like heavily layered in a PvP is because it
It's kind of there to like keep things from getting to formulae, right?
Like if there is little RNG then everything becomes like a script, you know
Like I'm sure everyone's played in the re-season where you're going on a script
And then something like a stun resister like all my reckoning just propping around that kind of stuff is like
What kind of makes things more interesting because it like throws a wrench into the script and it kind of it's interesting though
because when you guys play TBC like as fan I
Played a broke and if my kidney shot resists like five times like I just lose it sucks like
You know, you play TBC a lot and then people are like, oh, no, orange is good.
But then I watched like the best rogues, best Ziko, like one resist, two resist.
It happens like over and over again.
You just lose, even though you're the best, you just lose to orange.
You so and it matters.
Fuck. So this is okay.
So this is like a game.
Form of orange is good.
Form of orange is good, right?
But I'm also talking about the talent choices where I think it's more fun
when we could reactively press stuff.
And that's classic to me.
It's like RuneScape when you do your melee protection,
prayer protection, like I think it's cool
that you could reactively play
rather than like a passive ability play for you.
And it's like, I don't want to play an MMO
that's just all passive, you know what I mean?
I think what you're saying is that
actives are generally better and more fun than passives,
which I think most people agree with.
I think that's true.
That's why like the twist lovers are like,
you know, it's like,
Steel is now like this active thing. It's not like a passive buff that you're putting up. It's like this active thing
You're doing to make damage happen. That's like I I agree with you. I know what you're saying
It's like actives are more enjoy. They give you that dopamine hit, you know
When you do active things that that benefit you like, oh, I bubbled up
I bubbled up on pyro. Holy shit. Like I'm so fucking good exactly
Or like the demon hunter if they did their backflip when somebody's about to hodge and they did the backflip that one second
They have the immunity, right? I think those play styles are like really hot
You can distinguish a good player and a bad player by that, and I think Classic is already
so easy, so it should have something like that, and that's what the Twisters want, right?
You guys want to be able to distinguish good players and bad by knowing how to twist better,
and I think those little things in Classic as well makes Classic beautiful.
It's like mana ticking or energy ticking.
Like, I think those things should stay because then you get to differentiate a good player and a bad player
because right now if I do a red versus red, it's...
It's not that many still it's like whoever gets more prox of Wolfbane wins and I would like it where it's like OSRS where I
Could have that little bit of play I could have that little bit of like tick man a tick walking tick man a drinking right?
I want that kind of stuff. It's fun
I feel like for intentional RNG over like actual random RNG. Yes, so it's what things yeah
RNG I hate where I have to wait for the computer to let me get my actual big damage to go
But if it's intentional, it's cool. Yeah, well fine line. There can be too much or can be too little
Yeah, well also something else is I mean when you're talking about passive like you're talking specifically about passive RNG cuz
Not all passives have to be used as passives all the time and Draco give like a really good example of like swapping your oras
It's like an aura as a passive, right?
but like when when you get like a let's say like hey you see somebody loading up
like a big pom pyro or something or sorry a big power blast not a pom pyro but
they're learning a big power blast major in a combo and these switched to fire
resist or you know that is something that can help mitigate the damage and
effectively give you like more it's it's invisible but it's like more health
right because you're gonna you're gonna mitigate some damage hopefully now
there's some RNG there but then we already have like those proactive type of
things built into our kit with, uh, with the bubble and other stuff like that.
So giving us more things that are like, Oh, like I'm going to,
I'm going to pre bubble because I see the big damn coming.
You know, so like giving us more things like that is probably not as good as
giving us other things that they're already given us, like with the,
the eye for an eye where you have to make like an adaptive sort of,
sorry, not adaptive, but like a decision.
No, I agree.
I think there are some passes.
That's really fun, but I'm more so coming from a perspective of,
I don't I don't want a crazy complicated right where we have like million buses
We can manage it to hacker mode like anything comes we like press something to fight combat that right?
It's more so like you know how red paladins are like the giga dog walkers and finally catch up
We just go boom and we blast their heads off right so within that class design
I would think it's cool if like I for an eye has maybe
25 second or 30 second cool down and it's like your giga Chad dog walking and then you see like a big cast come in and
In that split second you have that button you could press like boop and then you can I find I damaged there
I feel like that'll be a cool system
And I could hold that button for like a big damn shadow combination that they're gonna do rather than me just relying on like a
passive right I think
We get too strong like, I don't know, like we're like our kids too big, right?
But think about it, Esfan, would every players be able to like react that fast with it?
That's the difference.
You're a guy that played for a long time so you would be good at this and all their
people would have a goal like, wow, he's so good.
I want to get to that level 10, they'll practice that, right?
But it, classics already easy, it's very narrow and I'm not trying to make it complicated
But I feel like a tiny bit of like those mechanic is where the game could improve on is how I see it I
Think you're barking up the wrong trees because like yeah
For being extremely easy and it is extremely easy in a lot of ways
But they went ahead and they in forever have removed some of the few things that are a little bit more complicated, right?
They've removed seal twisting. They've removed melee weaving or shot clipping. They've removed, you know, they've normalized rage or removed
the rogue strike killing right or power shifting so seems like they're kind of going the opposite
direction so yeah this whole conversation we're like tracking on the wrong side we're supposed
to come up with like new talent for the last row.
That's like a new degree yeah I seriously.
Yeah the guys think about um what you just said basically staffics but instead of like
a reflect maybe like absorbs it and turns into like a hit back to who was doing it
so it feels kind of more like a fusion so it's not like PSF all on reflect either
Okay, just do damage to the guy that cast it on to you for that, you know, one second, whatever the number is.
I like that idea.
Adding on to what Vanguard said, let's say, let's say we are doing Paladin be Paladin.
If I use this little eye for an eye with a 25 or 30 second cooldown, and I do it on a pre-hodge,
and then he double swift judges me when I get hodged, if I come out and then one bang his stupid ass,
I outplayed him tremendously.
Now he has the option to wait.
He could repentance me after the stun and still do the damage.
There's many many things this little talent would create.
I do agree with Kenneth that this is starting off, you know, we do.
I'm a people's paladin, right?
I want people to be normal.
I want people to relax.
We should be able to be chilling, right?
We do want John to come home from his eight-hour shift, log on, smack some nulls.
Fuck yeah, John, you're having a great time.
Yo, you guys want to go do RFC?
Yeah, I want to go do RFC.
That is who we're playing for, right?
Uh, the, that after night, it is a good idea. I believe if you come in later on down the
line, if they agree that, you know, we can add complexities later on in the beginning
though, we do have to keep it kind of simple. We do want mom and dad to enjoy wow forever.
We do want this game to live forever. If we're, if we're here's another catch.
Don't fall. So here's another catch. Okay. Yeah.
John might do that for two, three years. And he's like, wow, I messaged this class
by playing like two hours every day for like three years. He wants more, but it doesn't offer
more. So he goes play League of Legends where you could like skill shot and dodge shit, right?
That's where all the PVPs went. And because while back in the day wasn't figured out,
so everyone was a noob. And I'm not saying make it like retail. I'm just like saying
OSRS level, which OSRS is doing phenomenally. Great, right? I think people that play know
it. That's just what I'm watching, like a tiny bit of things, not to psychopathic crazy mode, right?
Yeah, it's like finesse. Can I talk about ifer and ifer a sec?
Sure. It was changed and forever. It affects all damage now. And I think it's going to help a
lot if you're training the red. Another point is ifer and I on retail, I don't know if this
is still the same Sam, but it was changed to be an active ability on retail. It was like a
was like a retaliation sort of ability.
It's when you press Divine Protection,
you add procs automatically.
So it was still, that's like an in-between actually of an on-use
because this is tied to a different talent at this point,
or an ability.
I think when it was first changed,
Eye for an Eye was like its own thing.
If I remember.
Yes, yes, it was.
You're right.
It is like its own ability.
You press it and then it was mainly good
in the fast attackers because it was like dorms.
It was basically dorms.
Yeah.
And now on retail, it's only physical damage.
like how am I you need a pvp talent to make it work against everyone it's so bad bro it's
terrible it's terrible right and then forever it was changed all damage so i think it's going to be good
i'm on the it should only be crits avenge or do you think it should just be all damage
regardless and we just have some retaliating retaliating attacks but it didn't used to be
spell damage yeah and that's not just melee or spell but it is still crits right right i think
think the crits is fine. I'd like to give it a chance. Back in sod what I did is I was
pro and I had the infinite holy shield and eye for an eye with a magic reflect was like
a significant part of my damage. So it could be fun if people are focusing you in big AVs.
It could crank numbers. Yeah. Hey, real quick. I know surveillance said he had to go around
now. Oh, okay. So but it's okay because we have we have another guy that can they
I can sub in named Swedge, who's big time.
Sir Belen, are you good on time or do you need to leave?
You can sub in Swedge for me.
If I could just say real quick, obviously, you guys
want to come talk Paladin with us every day,
like clubdiscord, discord.gg slash likeclubclassic.
Come talk, wow forever with us.
Also, I write wow head guys for wow forever,
so check them out.
Good, let's do it.
Thank you so much for being here, Serbina.
That was awesome.
And my guild's recruiting an Enhanced on one of my...
Oh my god.
GBC.
I'll plug in.
I'd say...
Hey, who should be here?
Go ahead.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Anyone else want to do it?
What's your guild name?
Yikes.
That's Yikes?
Well, that's a guild name.
Okay, I'll see you in a second.
I thought you were reacting.
I thought you were reacting.
I thought you were reacting.
Whatever, bro.
We're not you ready. We're not you read
Sunday Wednesday, so no one say, okay. Okay. Thanks for having us appreciate it. Thanks for coming
He's gone he didn't listen
Let's with them back I kind of have to go actually what?
I mean we can get a little bit and then get leveled in then yeah, that works
Guys see dude
Wait if we want to keep them because it's make a discord channel by the way
We
The Palins of the round sounds fitting well now we get well cuz we need more
We used to have a discord like this didn't we they call me yeah, yeah, I'm fucking made one
Well, I guess I'm just fucking fucking asshole dude.
I was sleeping on it.
You fucking own all this shit dude.
You don't.
You don't, but I will follow you.
I just sent a message.
There it is.
Hey, uh, you I think Savick's you need to remove them from the group.
Oh, do I need to remove them?
Okay.
Yeah.
Who am I removing?
Ken in there?
No, no, no.
I removed Jacoba.
I'm still here.
Jacoba in Surveillance.
Well, actually, I'm literally actively participating.
Okay, I removed Jacoba.
Let me add Swedge.
Wait, did any of you guys also have like a new idea, by the way?
I kind of went crazy on the iPhone 9, of course.
So one of my chat really wanted me to talk about this.
So I'll just word for word his idea.
He said aura mastery, three minute cooldown.
When used, gives a specific buff depending
on the aura you're using.
There is a red aura.
So increase your damage, then you can use devotion aura.
There's defense, and then consecration will be aura mastery.
So he thinks that that and like the red tree,
and then it's like an active ability of course,
we're depending on the aura you use.
So it gives different effects.
How's his idea?
So it's like a button you press and the all regular in gets like enhanced.
Yep. Essentially. Okay. That's a cool idea.
And it doesn't necessarily make the red pattern,
but it makes like the whole group feel better. Yeah.
So holy.
It used to be a level of Dennis. Welcome in guys. Yeah. What's up guys?
Yo, yo, how's it going? Hey, nice to be here. Yeah.
The level that I feel like we talk and chat so much,
but we never talked to each other in a voice setting.
I know it's been a while. Well, actually it's been never.
Yeah, and I want to say I don't think it's happened. This is first time in school.
Okay, good.
Okay, we were finalizing on any ideas to throw in for talent instead of
seal twisting because we did talk about seal twisting options.
Now we're talking about what else they could do to cover that but not go too crazy.
If Levelledin or Swedge, you have any ideas you want to add on to?
Go ahead. You go first, Simon. You go first.
I think McConnell talked about my idea a little bit already.
I'm not sure if we talked a little bit about replacing.
So just to get my thoughts on still twisting real quick,
I think it should go baseline back into the game.
And I think the capstone talent should be probably something that's a little bit new
that also kind of fits into classic vanilla,
especially having ret weaknesses
be the way that they get kited.
So I really like the whole divine purpose idea of
giving Holy Strike a chance to reset itself.
It gives you some proc-based gameplay while clearly having
a weakness of melee range requirement.
I think the other idea would be giving
seal command a chance to like a proc off of your holy strike. That part could be really cool.
And then, you know, I original seal twisting like going command into righteousness, isn't that
it's not that much damage, right? I think someone earlier said that the mana requirement was a
big deal. So like making the decision if you have enough mana to twist a command into righteous
just to kill someone just to get them into execute range would be pretty cool. But yeah,
Yeah, those are just my thoughts.
So they did add in a mana reduction component
to the 31 point, which is nice,
but I just don't think it's enough, man.
I just don't think it's enough.
It's like-
Yeah, I agree.
Like, did you ever get the test benediction
plus the new reduction, or that was a pretty new option?
No, no, no, no.
That was in the BlizzCon, right?
Yeah, the only things I've seen are,
whatever I personally have tested is the BlizzCon build.
as the most that I've done.
I feel like if they're adding a 20% mana cost reduction
on that capstone,
they already foresee problems against monsters.
I don't think they're fighting people
in these tests that they're doing.
That's a big ass problem.
If they're tacking on a mana cost reduction to seals,
they see a problem against monsters,
not even people where we're cleansing, rebuffing,
looking at other people.
Like that's, it honestly makes that talent look unplayable
if the devs are adding mana cost reduction to it.
I mean a world of Warcraft players really people. Can we say that confidently?
I mean, I think it's actually a great discussion.
They collect lumber and gold and we crusade for them.
Red paladins are people too.
What? What is it?
Right there.
There's something in the way.
Oh my god then.
I'm fucking sick.
the
Real quick cuz that cuz we didn't I don't think we just to kind of like
Make people aware of who hopped in the call. I mean love Lynn got to speak a little bit
Swedge also a lot of you guys may have heard of swedge or swedge timer is the add-on he for like seal twisting
That he made and that's like a it's a weapon swing timer that has like some breakpoints and stuff in it
That is it's like very robust actually like there's so many options or you could just use it as a normal swing timer
But Swedge is like a big, big classic paladin guy who, I mean, he knows back and forth,
seal twisting, everything.
So, and for multiple iterations of seal twisting and saw and everything else.
So yeah, that's kind of who Swedge is for anybody, anybody wondering.
It's a little introduction, big time paladin player.
Yeah, I wrote Swedge, I wrote Swedge Timer around about when we Khoras was dropping
swing timer support and there was, there was just a massive of issues with paladin
swing timers anyway, right?
the stealer crusader being handled correctly and with repentance,
properly resetting swing timers.
And I just had a bit of time on my hands and I figured I'd do this
and I sort of exploded into something that became the sort of de facto swing timer,
which is fun.
And then on the other side of things, I also have run like club with serve.
And I'm also the person who implemented a lot of the vanilla stuff for while sims.
So I was the one that had to go and digging into all the spaghetti code
and figure out exactly how everything worked, which is, it's a task.
So I think stealer righteousness is the most awful spell that we've ever had to implement
in any class for Wozems, it's horrible.
Okay, Swag.
There are books of Swag.
Swag, we had a crazy amount of talk with Twist.
Is there anything you would add that is not Twist
or the last Rotella?
I think there's room, I'm less down on Twist of the Light
than most people seem to be,
but I will admit I haven't played Sword,
so I'm not familiar with that implementation.
I gather that a lot of people that have played it seem to be on the negative side with it.
I think if you're going to replace the capstone, you need to be something that kind of helps
our AP scaling rat, because right now the world in which we live is that Spellpower is
extremely, extremely powerful for any kind of DPS or Pro-based Paladin.
And they also have multiple good builds.
You can have a build that focuses more on shock than spells.
You can also have builds that focus more on dealing damage via melee and sealor righteousness
and things like that.
There is, there is, there is like a kind of spectrum there that exists right now within
spellbar builds. And actually kind of, I kind of love champion of the light if I'm honest.
I'm a huge fan of it. I love the style of it.
Yeah, me too. Me too. Not going to lie. I'm a huge fan of it.
I'm going to wear Paladin gear, bro. I'm going to eat the gnome wearing full light
forge. He's going to go that fucking yellow bastard. Get off of me.
So yeah, I think like what I see right now is I see a world in which seal of righteousness
This has become far, far better for a number of reasons, right?
For people that haven't really played much in the beta or aren't familiar with it,
Sealer of Ishesness can now crit, and it's not a melee ability.
I remember there was some discussion about the weapon spec talents earlier, but weapon
spec talents actually, they don't just scale white hits in classic vanilla-like world
of Warcraft.
They scale anything that targets melee movements.
Yeah, so it's like so...
I'm just going to compliment you.
No worries.
So every spell in WoW has a defense type of targets.
It's either targets magic, magic defense, melee defense,
or ranged defense.
Historically, seal of righteousness,
prox and judgment is targeted magic defense.
So things that target magic defense scale
with magic spell crit, right?
If they're capable of critting in the first place.
So seal of righteousness, sorry,
judgment of righteousness only dealt 50% bonus damage before.
Now everything is coded up as melee for Paladin,
which smooths out a lot of issues with the gearing
and with the damage profile.
So seal of righteousness can now procs our melee,
they scale with more of our talents, and they can now crit.
And the seal of righteousness is also an ability
that's really, really sensitive to spell damage, right?
So the two-handed weapon, the spell power coefficient,
force of the righteousness is 25%, right?
And this is now scaled with the improved seals talent,
right, which in vanilla used to only buff
the base damage of seal of righteousness.
So it's much more powerful now.
And we kind of live in a world where,
Like if you're capable of stacking like a thousand spell power effectively with the champion of the light
and through your gear choices, then Seal of Wretched becomes the Paladin's dominant damaging ability.
It's kind of crazy. It's really good.
So if you're leveling in forever, if you're playing in forever, the historically people were running Command
and as a leveling retin playing with that, give Seal of Wretched a try.
You might be pleasantly surprised at how playable it is.
And of course, if you're on a PDP server, they're still definitely worth to be had in
the worst nature of Seal of Command, right?
But it's very powerful.
But all this is to say that Seal of Command is now looking a little threadbare back in
Paris, right?
Yeah.
It's looking, yeah.
Well, I was just going to say, like, this is exactly what, whenever we were talking
about this earlier, it's like, oh, maybe the holy route, like the holy break-off
and going holy shock ends up being something that's like, it's just not uncomfortable.
Like it's just going to be too strong.
like, yeah, it's all like super good points here. Yeah, my head can and so I think a lot
of people they saw the recent changes to Holy Strike and across all the class discords
and everywhere people were complaining about ragging buffed and oh it's all it's our grand
favorite class and all this kind of nonsense and I'm sat there like you we got nerfed like
8% by losing all these attacks. Yeah, absolutely. We lost so much so much damage and mostly
global damage scaling vouchers. I figured I figured they probably did this because
of internal testing is xD that indicated the palliative. Yeah, just because when
and you run the numbers on it and you compare it to other specs.
Like in WoW Sims, we're still working on things, right?
There has been this like these forks of WoW Sims
that have been doing the rounds, but this is heavily kind of
vibe coded with AI and things like that.
And there's a whole host of issues there.
But you can still do some of the calculations
behind the scenes and see that Paladin is looking
in a really, really strong place right now,
especially if you go via the spell power route.
So I think if the capstone is going to change the title
back around to the original point,
I think it needs to be something that benefits APRAT
like a little more because all you have right now
is Millays and Seal of Command, and then Holy Strike,
which by the way, Holy Strike,
that is a weapon damage spell, which has a 50% modifier.
So that affects all of the weapon damage
and your AP damage.
But the spell power coefficient on Holy Strike
is added to the flat damage,
and it is not subject to the 50% penalty.
So we live in a world where we've essentially
gotten an ability for Paladins, right?
For ret Paladins to use, right?
Even though it's kind of used across
the whole Paladin toolkit,
that should in theory be like a crusader strike,
But it in fact scales far more strongly with Spellpower
than it does Attack Power in this current world.
It's in a weird kind of place, Paladin, right?
And I'm kind of optimistic to see where they go with it.
I have faith in people and the devs
and people like Akron and Zareen and things like that, right?
They're extremely passionate about this class
and about the different ways
in which people want to be able to play it.
And I think that's kind of reflected
in what we have just now, right?
Like you were talking earlier with,
oh, do we really want to be the class
that's like the special case
we have like a capstone you don't you don't have to take I'm afraid we're already in that world right like the probably I think
I think the most competitive PvE spec for Paladin right now is one that takes holy shock in terms of pure DPS output
And doesn't it doesn't pick up twist of the light
But you but it's just we just want to make sure that we're in a in a world where twist of the light or whatever replaces it
Maintains like a good identity and a good kind of scaling vector for a more traditional AP based rent, right?
You you mentioned that it was weird
weird. Why do you think it's weird that Holy Strike has that spell power coefficient?
It's less though that it's weird. It's more that like the, so for example, Seal of Command,
right? Seal of Command also has a spell power coefficient, but the spell power coefficient
is also subject to the 70% weapon damage modifier, right? So it goes from 0.29 down
to 0.2. So it's a relatively low spell power coefficient. The spell power coefficient
on Holy Strike is the same as any other instant ability in the game, which is
0.429. And that, because that spell power coefficient is attached onto the flat
damage of Holy Strike. It's outside of that 50% damage penalty that is applied to Holy Strike.
So to increase the damage of your Holy Strike by one, you need 4.3 attack power or 2.3 spell
damage, right? It's like twice as good at increasing the damage.
I feel like I'm in class right now with all the repelids. If you're like a scholar,
okay, so your professor's swedging here, that would still be two spell power,
almost three spell power for the thing, but it's still only two strength.
That's like pretty much half-and-half for the same one damage on the Holy Strike though. That's I feel like that's pretty good
You should you should want to be a hybrid as the hybrid. I feel like that makes sense
We were finding was that like when we were when we were looking at preliminary numbers and then of course
This is all preliminary right so the stove still definitely subject change
We were looking at how do you how do you want to build like a seal of command rat?
Because we knew how to blow up a spa power right right like it's all bases like you reach out into the light
You know what I'm stacking in and I'm stacking SP
If you want to scale a seal of command right, we were looking at the gear options on a sort of preliminary Wilson's private thing and
Your your bits wet your best belt for to look a manned Brett was mana infused cord. Oh
That's weird our scaling is really really powerful on right now
This is even versus undead where you get to press exit as well, right? So yeah, well, and here's another thing
Like if you've been dueling with a paladin right now on the beta, you've seen that like
the pvp crits are 50% right?
That needs to go away by the way.
It's a confirmed bug.
Yeah.
That's a confirmed bug.
I heard that.
I heard that from Zora too.
Yeah.
It's a 100% confirmed bug.
So yeah, because I think a lot of people are worried about that because of different
things.
That's a separate discussion.
But yeah, like spell power right now, I mean switch hit the nail on the head
with everything, right?
If you go through and even if you don't understand all the numbers, it's like you can simply like
just judge Crusader and see the amount of damage things do and how much of a damage difference
you have in your Holy Strike and how like, yeah, something scales with weapon damage,
but then it also scales with spell power.
It's like packed on top of it.
And it, I mean, I think it's really cool.
I like it.
I think that's a big part of like the Paladin Class fantasy is being able to have that
sort of scaling that occurs through the different means of getting gear. And it makes you very
adaptable. You can do different builds, you can do all kinds of different stuff. So personally,
I like that. And I was not really, I was kind of a holy strike hater, like at first glance,
because I, I mean, I was being small brain, I was just thinking Crusader Strike, I had
blinders on, I was like, they should just give us Crusader Strike. But even in the way that
the chain sacred arbiter and how they conceptually change it to basically be like a like the initial
version of crusader strike in burning crusade, but a little bit weaker, but it was holy damage.
I want to come I want to clear something up too. So I said it was going to be 70% weapon
damage. I got confirmation on it the way they add up the talents and stuff. It's going
to be multiplicative not additive. So it's actually 60% weapon damage. So it's a little
bit worse than seal command damage. Just to clarify, because I just I said the
the wrong thing earlier. So I want to make sure people get the right info.
Were you talking about the sacred Arbiter modifier on Hulestrike?
Yeah. I was just about that, too.
Yeah, just to clarify, because it's written, it's written where it's like,
maybe it means either one, but it's, it's multiplicative.
So it's going to be 60% and before it was like 44% weapon damage.
I think it's kind of, yeah, I was just going to say, I think,
I think like the design philosophy around Forever Ret seems to be
that no matter what you do, spell power is going to be important, which I'm personally
okay with. I like that kind of niche aspect of Paladin as a melee spellcaster.
Yeah, like a hybrid, right?
Yeah, exactly. Like a proper hybrid.
Which is the only place I can think of across the classic wall spectrum that's ever really
existed would be Wrath of the Lich King in Hanshaman, right?
Where you find, you know, in Hanshaman, used physical stats and spell power stats
extremely, extremely powerfully, right? Like you could just take anything with generic
high-high level throw on an enhancement shaman and the enhancement shaman would crank with it.
I think we're probably going to see a similar thing here with ret. What I imagine they're going to do
with their tier is they're going to have enough in on it such that spell power is still an important
enough consideration even if you're going pure AP ret. So I think that the difference will be
less obvious than it has been like historically right where we're like in St. Vanilla,
like yes Van, do you know this where you either stacked the hell out of AP and you
You steal a command with like a slow two-hand weapon or you went for a spell it and with like MCP or something like that
Right. Yeah, I think we're now we're going to see like I think a much more even spectrum across there and I'm personally quite excited for that
Right. Yeah, I think that's really good
That's a variety of potentiality within it for PDE and PVP. I think they're there. I think that's why I love champion of light
I think it enables this really
Fun weird kind of niche for Rhett
Yeah, no, I think I think it's a I
I mean, I really do feel this way, conceptually.
I like a lot of where they went with the talents.
I mean, it's so different.
I mean, there's how much things have changed and stuff,
but I would say this is about 75% of what I would like to see
in vanilla, but there's that 25%, which is,
one, it's kind of that feeling of the spec,
and then two, it's kind of the secondary,
like, Hey, is this going to be kind of stupid if all of a sudden every everybody's doing
the same thing and you end up getting pigeonholed into just this one line of thinking.
But conceptually, I do think that it's in a pretty good spot and it does emulate vanilla
much more than I'm sure not vanilla, but like I would say classic as a whole, like
if we're talking about like vanilla and burning crusade, much more than just trying to
pay like Wrath of Lich King and like just shove it down into into level 60, which
I think that would have been that would have been bad for other.
I think I'm Russ Ford.
It seems like a great pause right here.
Okay, so we went over like the introductions.
We talked about the options for seal twisting.
We talked about the options for ability that can replace seal twisting.
We're kind of going forward.
This is like very good knowledge too, but I want to backtrack, wrap up the conversation
on the talent, and then we could talk about whatever we want to talk about and close
the soft because it has been going on for a while and I'm pretty sure you guys
are all tired.
I want everyone to be able to voice their options and everything like that.
So I want everyone to be heard and everyone's happy that they got to speak out.
Was that it for all the talents that we wanted for the alternative?
Go ahead.
Add on to it.
So, I think a lot of us like the idea of Champ in the Light being like a hybrid thing and
it feels really good.
Instead of trying to just hyper-replace this twist talent, why don't we just move Champ
in the Light down to where twist of light is and that is the Rhett capstone.
Now, the follow-
And you make it, you make it one thing?
Yeah, yeah, make it the bottom talent.
Okay, that's interesting.
You have to invest hard into it.
Now, the only problem I'm seeing with that is if you do that, then we cannot
be Templars Bulwark and have that in scaling.
We can't be holy shock and have that in scaling.
So then holy pounds can't take it.
Prop pounds would probably still take it
and just like kill their survivability a little bit.
But I also kind of hate that I just said it
because if they end up doing that,
then I can't play the Templar build that I want to.
And then...
Dude, I mean, I'm very,
maybe I should be more selfish.
I think that Templar's Bulwark is like...
It's broken.
It's so broken.
I mean, I think it's okay
to have to choose between champion of the light
and the holy shock,
I actually think that's like a reasonable thing.
Now, it's a little bit limiting.
Dude, the fact that we're just not at level 60
and we can't just test it and really know,
because this is one of those things
that you'll know within like a couple days of playing.
And I'm so down for them to just be like,
hey, this sucks, we're gonna change it.
We're gonna, like, hotfix, we're gonna change the talents.
Hotfix, we're gonna change the talents again tomorrow.
You know, Palin's got a free respect.
We're gonna change talents.
just so they can get like data and just see how things play out.
I know that's annoying, but I'm very like,
just rip it, changes, whatever,
and just look at how things play out
and get a real good feel for it
with like a large sample size of people.
And then you're like, okay, well, we're gonna pick
the best option, the best option
for what we think the game wants to be is whatever.
That's what I want, but I do think,
even if it's maybe seen as boring by some people,
I think having to choose between
the Holy Shocking Champion light might be a good thing.
Because now it's like so good that if I wanna be,
like Spell Power Rat and Shocked Inn are two different specs.
So if you have two different specs
and a Shocked Inn to define it is like,
hey, I'm a healer.
A Shocked Inn is a healer,
but like you have Spell Power and stuff built into your gear.
Now you're gonna have more of that now
than you had in original vanilla,
which is where this kind of came from
because the Judgment Speck and Patch One Point
There's judgment gear, sorry, in patch 1.9 got changed to be a spell power set.
It got changed multiple times.
Originally, it was RAT, and then it got changed to 1.6 to be, it was either 1.5 or 1.6.
I think it was 1.6.
It got changed to be a healing set, giga healing set, badass, like plate, full plate
healing set.
It changed it to 1.9 to be a spell power set, and now it's like used for kind of
PvP hybrid type stuff, and people went and they did like the shotgun and PvP stuff
with that judgment set.
Being able to be like a front line type of healer with some spell power damaging capabilities
with like a big judgment and big stuff like that is cool.
That's like the class fantasy of being a shocker then.
Like you're still a healer, but a shocker then isn't just a straight up DPS the whole
time.
And I think there's a differentiation there between that and spell power that people
need to understand because I think it's kind of confusing when we, because I feel
it's kind of gotten used interchangeably whenever we talk about it. And yeah, so I do think that's a
big part of it too, having the difference between Champion of the Light and Holy Shock being
exclusive and then what we have now. So you agree that Champion of the Light moving down and that
being the capstone would technically solve this problem and still allow Shocked Ins to be Shocked
Ins, but not just effectively be a little ret? Yeah, and I think, I don't know if it's
the right choice or if it's the fix, but I think it solves specifically that problem and would
solve that.
I think on a macro level having a in-cap talent that's just like that passive and that, you
know, boring frankly.
Like, yeah, sure, when you're crafting and getting into the weeds, you're like, oh,
wow, this is really powerful and this enables builds and yada yada, but like, you know,
when somebody's leveling their paladin and they hit level 40 and all their friends are
getting, you know, mortal strike or, you know, all these cool abilities and they're
like, oh, well, I get a little bit more spell power, cool.
Yeah.
That's not really a thought.
Yeah, that's stocked up.
Yeah, it's something I was quoting.
It's just something I wanted to tie back around to that
was from an early, I've been watching the stream
and really enjoying it, but there was an early conversation
about the identity of RET as do you want it to be something
that does DPS or do you want it to have something that has
utility that you value and a supportive nature?
There's a little game I want to play here.
There is a version of RET that
has existed at one point in time
that was really valued for its supportive nature,
where it was it was brought pretty much solely for the buffs it provided and for its things like it's
it's raid cooldowns for damage reduction and its ability to spot heal that kind of thing even though
it's personal DPS was in the absolute drain. Do you know when that time was? That's 1.1.
We're talking Ulduar here, right? Ulduar is an athlete in class. Yeah, like and and everyone hates
it seemed to kind of it was in a position where like the top guild would bring ret optionally
for some flights for the 3% buff and they really valued its ability to shore up a weaker
raid, right? Like, and I had that kind of fantasy that we were talking about, right? Personal
DPS, not particularly inspiring because it was balanced around a T10 set that was extremely
powerful. But it had all those kind of supportive aspects of it and no one wanted to play
it like that. You know, the classic player place hated having to take on a more supportive
role. They wanted to just crank. And I think it's kind of a shame. I'd like, you
And what we saw in response from Blizzard was that they buffed Rhett, right?
They gave us the glyph that let Hand of Reckoning no longer taunt, so that we could use it as a DPS thing to shore for that.
Right.
And that suddenly meant that Rhett was kind of, honestly, a bit too strong in some places, right?
Like, you know, you have people like Progress or Beefbar kind of were what they were at the time,
but they had the world first, Eldor are clear, they brought Rhett to a number of those fights,
But then some other fights they brought arcane mage and then some other fights they brought surf under it was actually like a kind of interesting choice there
and
When we got buffed that kind of went at the window and read just kind of became the de facto thing and I see why they did that
I remember talking to aggro about this run about the time and he seems to really value the kind of social cohesion of wow
Right and it got to the point where rats were being like you're going to get benched from your casual build because the perception of red
Damage is so toxic right now
So, yeah, like that, and I share that, but I love that.
That was some of the most fun I had.
I made a spec called Cleric that really leaned into healing,
and I was able to solo heal Max 10 with it,
while still dealing better damage and tanks
and things like that, which was really fun.
But no one really wanted to kind of go down that route.
So I kind of worry, right?
When we say, like, what was they
going to be one of Rhett?
Did we want it to be something that bumps,
or did we want it to be something
that has this kind of supportive nature?
I think the player base sometimes,
even when it is the more interesting version of Rhett,
sometimes don't want to follow along that way, right? And the perception of right in the community can
sometimes be negative enough that it gets dropped. And that's the form of fun utility ability. I think
us getting more damage is dangerous. I don't want us to get nerfed even more and they like tune
down everything, which they already did, right? With the trans specialization and vengeance,
they have to like tone it down for buffing Holy Strike. I don't want our abilities to get
continuously nerfed because of the births we have. I think a fun way to introduce is a utility that
feels good which is I don't want it exactly like this and it's too strong but it's like you know
like bloodlust where like everyone gets a buff and it feels good. I think it should be a utility that
enhances like in a miniature way where everyone feels kind of good and then the paladin also
feels good about it right. And then there's also a good reason to bring a paladin outside of
of like the buffs and all that.
I do think the burning crusade,
like the role of Red Plains in a burning crusade raid
is really nice.
Like the synergy between having other Paladins,
you keep all the judgments up on the target.
They're trying to do the same thing.
I mean, Sacred Arbiter is like a, like I said,
it's like a pseudo crusader strike.
The 3% crit from judgment of the crusader is super nice.
The way Sangtariora now gives you 2% damage
to everybody in the group.
like they do a good job of the way they they gave burning crusade a specific role where it was
support and also it does considerable damage um in burning crusade it's just super super nice um
this one like every raid has one rat which is cool um yeah so i i really like that sort of design
okay let's uh finish off this conversation with everyone having like one say of what they
they would like in the last row talent, if they can have it.
I bet you want to start since you haven't talked in a while.
Uh, yeah, I was like, my wish list is something like empowered seals, but it's,
it's more popular actually in this call than I thought it would be.
I actually talked to a dev at BlizzCon when they removed it.
It was basically my favorite thing.
And he said that I made good choices with it, but not everyone else did.
And that's why I had to go something along those lines.
So that's what my wish was.
What does that mean?
Yeah, exactly.
I guess not many people used it.
That was when Templar's verdict was very good.
So something along those lines.
I guess final verdict was to overpower, I think, that range,
Abid as well.
It was very good.
Yeah, you would use it.
You used 12 talents depending on the matchup.
But anyway, the second thing I really liked
was the Legion beta thing, the falling sword.
I know it would be wild for classic to ret,
for kind of have a charge or something like that,
like falling sword kind of ability,
almost like the Avalo would be really cool.
Terri is ability in us, right?
I would, I would, I would not, I mean,
but it's like, it's like, it's reasonable.
Also, like actually fit into classic.
Right. So those two are my wish list.
And the ideas that came up are really like the Lippoldens
and McConnell's idea.
Just basically making the crusader strike kind of stronger.
Maybe, maybe we even will be a little wild
and make it like, make it a five yard range or something.
Bro, are you on the same class as me, bro?
I have that same thought.
Okay.
Arcavia?
And I just wanted to mention the spell power scaling from ints.
I think we could change it maybe to 25% of APM, 50% of ints, like tune those numbers,
but something that works for RAT doesn't pigeonhole you.
Arc, let's see here.
the last talent I really like the idea of the holy strike being able to proc seal the command
and also resetting itself that seems to do okay feels like classic nothing too spicy nothing
too crazy you know average player could do it you know there's still some type of skill
sealing where we can still express ourselves as well and it doesn't break the game I don't
feel like so I really do dig the vibe of that one level didn't knock it out of the
Park without one good. I've been I've been cooking that one for days because I I hated the twist
Well, I don't I don't hate twist but having something
We have enough undead paladins you're gonna lose buddy. That's fine. I just bubble. There's no masterful. We're good
I'm good for 12 seconds
Uh, no, but yeah, you, you, you hinted to, uh, so, so you think, uh, so you think it
should be starting to, let me rephrase the, let me rephrase.
I don't hate it.
You're the talent.
You're the talent.
I knew what you mean.
I wanted something that was new, that, that felt like I could look forward to it.
Cause like if you were seal twisting and leveling in the, in classic or vanilla,
you got it.
Like as soon as you got command, right, you could twist into a righteous or something
but like you're going all the way to 40, you get something that you didn't have
of access to that used to, that's not new.
Yeah, it's cringe.
It's cringe.
Something was taken away and then it's given back to you at level 40.
It's cringe.
That's, that's the old retail strategy.
That's what they did.
Yeah, literally, literally it's retail shit.
That's what they did.
They literally did retail shit with the talent.
They should have just let us have the TBC seal mechanics and then come up with something
new.
That's what I think.
But anyway.
Was there any other ideas you cooked, leveled in?
In terms of like talent changes, I really think that things work really well.
I would say like 10 plus Bulwark is ridiculously overpowered in PvP.
I think the best change that they could do is just switch the position with 10 plus Bulwark
and Holy Shield.
And then we don't really have to worry about you know, prot tanks just doing insane damage
and same healing and they're able to pick up some of the like champion of light and
Bulwark.
have to trade some instant survivability. Outside of that, I think everything's really
good. I think they did a really good job. I think we also might be worrying about attack
power and spell power a little bit too much because you don't know all the types of gear
that they're going to have. And they're on top of, you know, hey, if every red paladin
is D gen wearing cloth spell power armor, okay, we kind of did something a little bit
wrong.
There's a line there. I think I think it's good to be able to choose if you want to wear like some male pieces and you know like a couple
Yeah, I think yeah, yeah, be right
My color fossil any final additions before we move on I
Think that the cooks here have been phenomenal
I think resetting holy strike as McConnell and our cave in said and it's loveless cook
I think it makes a lot of sense you get a little proc feels good
I would worry though that as said earlier, you're not really getting an ability to press a level 40 like everyone else is
You're just getting a passive
So if the general John more crafty when they come home from work if he understands that that it's just a passive
And it will feel good, but you got to play with it to make it feel good
Then I think that that's fine. I think a empowered seal tight deal also makes a lot of sense from wall of the drain
Or it's just awesome now we could go further
And we could use auras and be in an aura and have a judgment with an active aura up
Give you a buff to the group or yourself or whatever that feels good for everyone
Everyone's gonna feel good to have a ret I still I'm leaning towards that
Empowered seals and the holy strike resetting. I feel like those two are like easily the bomb two choices
twisting socks I
Think everyone likes. Yeah, my only thing to add on to that is I just want to remove the RNG portion of this somehow
because I just think more orange it's already a lot of rng like I don't mind having some rng in the game of course
I think that's part of classic
But I don't think we should add more at this point. So anything that I love the idea just without the rng somehow
Yeah, I agree with anger too. I like the reset thing, but at the same time rng is
Can be way too strong or way too weak could be under our fair
right? I'm not worried about a PVP impact, right? Because Rett's always been a class, like with Seal of
Command, Rett's always been a class that's got like very good burst potential. And I think anything that
do, like anything that is done to that last rule talent, we're not cognizant of that so that we
don't just become- I agree. I agree. The slot machine RNG is good, but at the same time, like
you get that RNG number, whereas in like, let's say I'm on Vueling Vanguard and I get five procs,
Vanguard has no chance of beating me, right? It's just super unfair. It's how I see it.
Oh, and I have an idea that gets rid of the RNG. What is, well, I guess it's still RNG a little
bit. Every three sealed command procs resets the cooldown of your next Holy Strike, or every two
to see if Command Prox resets the next cooldown,
so you could back to back Holy Strike.
Oh, you're cooking a little there.
I like that.
That's a little cook.
That's a little cook.
Man, that's a little bit about how I was saying
about the XQ sentence coming down,
you're doing a combo for it, right?
Yeah, man, I just, I want to go back to the other one.
I just really don't like, I don't like the RNG reset.
Like it feels very cataclysm to me.
I agree with that part.
Yeah, it just feels like a-
Like having a proc that goes off and now your cooldowns reset
It's funny because they like goes
like
It solves the problem what I was talking about like it's like conceptually boring to hit the same button X amount of seconds
But at the same time it just it does feel a lot more like towards like the retail Paladin style and I
Don't really know how to feel about that on top of the fact that
You're not really getting something new and it's that passive thing and I think can and can it kind of hit the nail
on the head whenever he was talking about that.
Now, my problem with this, and this
has kind of been my problem the whole time,
it's really hard to come up with a good last talent
without knowing how strong we currently are
and how it really fits into the current kit.
Because for me, everything that I think of,
I'm like, oh, that's too strong, too strong.
Everything just feels too strong to me in my head.
Even the reset, right?
It's just everything just seems too strong.
And I think it's really important to look at the class as a whole with the bird's eye
view and just seeing how it fits into not just the class, sorry, the spec as a whole
with the bird's eye view and not just how it fits into the class, but also how it fits
into the rest of the game.
And it's weird.
I mean, what's the phrase we heard about warlocks for years?
It feels like, I mean, classic, it's like, oh, it feels like there's a whole expansion
ahead of us.
Like when you fight a warlock in vanilla, it's almost like you're fighting somebody
in Burning Crusade.
Warlock and Burning Crusade, it feels like you're fighting somebody who has, who's playing
in Wrath, you know? And then of course, whenever Wrath comes out, Burning Crusade comes out,
you're like, oh no, you know, not at all, because they got so many more other things
and they become ridiculous. That's why, that's why Warlock almost always ends up winning
all the vanilla dueling tournaments, for example. At the highest level, whenever
you start like, getting margins, like, yes, people can beat each other or whatever,
but like when you're, when you're getting to that level and you're like looking
at razor thin margins, it, it etches out the other ones because of those things
that feel like it's like, oh, they're playing in a different expansion entirely.
So I just think these are the things to consider and it makes it really, really hard.
I don't want to stifle the discussion, right?
How about we close this off with asking the YouTube chat or Twitch chat to type what
they think is the best idea.
Maybe there's somebody in the chat that has the best idea of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a really, really hard thing to think about.
Just up the comment and we will see it because I do see people type in there like,
Oh man, these guys that are in the car have no idea what they're talking about.
Bro.
Some of these guys have played this game like a motherfucker that just 20 straight years,
right?
Like some of these guys played well forever.
They played more than like you were born, I think.
It's insane.
So, it's kind of weird when people say that.
So, anyways, right in the comments, let's see what people come up with.
Let's close off with any topics that you wanted to talk about real fast like just hint over.
I got one that is a, I don't know that my community really wants to talk about, but
maybe not as much as how do you, and I have my own idea after this, but I'll start with
the question.
How do you guys feel about rated content?
So what is it rated content?
Yes.
How do you guys feel about rated content and forever?
I have my own idea, but I'll talk about it after.
I want to hear.
First I have a take whenever you guys are ready
Same I'm ready. I have a take to you. You too. We all have takes
Rated battlegrounds, I believe should be in classic forever eventually
I believe battlegrounds are a pinnacle thing for this game's PvP. However
World PvP should exist and there should be something that helps world PvP be the most important
I want to fight people in a rainy barrens. I want to fight people in Hillsbrad. I want to fight people in dusk wood
I want to go out in the world. It's very difficult to attach some kind of rating to it unless there's like a
Penalty or gain from killing someone out in the world that isn't strictly only honor
So I feel like if we're talking about actual rated PPP, we have got to have rated battlegrounds first
We have to it's very classic to do battlegrounds
I agree. I think it should be focused on an objective gameplay as well
arena is amazing. It's so fun. But at the same time, retail is where it leads to if we just focus on
arena and balance the classes around arena to make it mesh well. I think leaving it in a battle
ground has way more scenarios and it also makes it where some class is okay to die and then you
guys regroup and then you guys fight again with another strategy. It opens up a lot of room for
crowd control or maybe like somebody's really good at 1v1 to cap something. WorldPVS just
opens up a lot of that too and the battleground like you said so as much as I love arena I do think
battleground focus and then maybe they could add in a fun I say fun quote unquote because
fun dueling area but maybe like a mesh making system I think that'll be really close it's a
fun dueling area and everyone would know that it's just for fun and it won't be balanced right
because that's impossible to balance.
That's what I wanted to build into solo queue Blitz.
Because I think that's the best in between arenas.
I do understand why some people are very against it
because it won't feel very classic.
Okay, if we go Blitz,
can we do one thing right this time?
And rather than in retail,
where you just get randomly paired off,
can we have the highest rating guy,
be the two team captains,
kind of like the League of Legends,
where you draft pick the classes.
So that one guy could get one flag carrier and it's like Frank. I got he got that
Okay, I'm gonna get a mage that could kind of counter that and then like you get the one pick each
And then you start off and then I think that'll be really fun
Fuck
This guy picked soda and I only get the choice of like storm acts and whoever else fly carrying shit, right?
Okay, I like that I think that's a pretty good one
Hmm now how long are these fucking cues we're talking about now if I'm one of the
80 million red paladins queuing up when I just got home from work picking me bro
nobody so good nobody is yeah they would definitely find a way they need to find
a way to make the games shorter significantly shorter if they did a
rated format because if you have teams that are stuck in there for like
like literally even 20 minutes, that's a long time.
That's a long time.
No, no, I speak from like rank 14 grinding.
I'm sure some of you guys rank S fan rank, I know for sure.
There's Warsaw Watch matches where egoist players,
like yes, master is a really good player.
And man, when we fight those guys, we're in there
because we have egos for like eight hours straight
and it's fucking miserable, man.
I'll make it repair.
We're putting tracks down,
Godless style of defense to a guest next. I think you need to do by the way, I
Had this conversation with somebody the other day
specifically about yes master
I've always played on the same faction as yes master on private servers on on so I always just yeah, so
The perception of that like that sort of rivalry that you just mentioned the perception of those players who are like it
they stick out in a rivalry is so different based on if you play with them or against
them. And it's so funny because we're like, dude, this rat son of a bitch, like they're
so mad. They hate these people. Like just visceral hatred.
Even if I'm in the opposing GF dirt, dude, I was, yeah, it's not, it's not you, but
it's just a reminder of conversation I had the other day. And I'm like, no, dude,
dude, that guy's great. It's super nice. Yeah, it's very funny.
Yeah.
I think back to the queuing part, the nice thing about solo queues too, rather
and like people are talking about how like they should be team queues.
The nice thing about solo queue is that it should be spec based rankings, right?
So let's say red is bad at BGs because I think something
Blizzard is very scared of for rated content is having to balance it.
But if it's spec based rankings like honestly, personally at least,
if I was playing the weaker spec for battlegrounds, I don't know what it is.
We're not level 60 yet.
But let's say red was bad in battlegrounds.
I would actually like that because that means my queues are might be faster.
And you know, it'll be it's like I'm just competing with other reds, right?
it's much easier to balance that rather than like trying to balance every spec in the game.
So that's why I personally pushed to Sholo more than team cubes in this case for
something that's meant to be more casual and not going to be balanced all of them.
Here's what I think about ratings and this is somebody I adore passionately.
If I could marry Brangshad Arenas and make sweet sweet love to them for the rest of my
my life, I would have a beautiful family. I love, I love Brankershed, right? I love Brankershed
arenas. But okay, I believe and I hate saying this because I actually do, I do want there
to be arenas. Like that's my personal, like, you know, as fan of the player opinion, like
I would love to play arenas. I've noticed that whenever you add a rating to PvP
and wow or really to anything. When there's a number attached to your name that dictates
how good you are at something, it ends up being a negative sort of experience for a lot
of people because people are like, oh, shit, I'm 1400 rated and I've played this game
for 20 years and it means so much to me in my life. And it makes them literally feel
like it's a character flaw and they're a bad person. It makes them feel like they're
less than that.
You're doing, yeah, continue, please.
So, and I, and to me, I'm just being honest,
it's my own personal opinion.
If you feel that way, that is like insane behavior.
But unfortunately, there are a lot of people
that feel this way, you know?
Like to me, I'm like, if your rating is a little bit lower,
you're like, okay, we got to work, we got to practice,
we got to get better, and you got to,
you have something to attain.
But I noticed this at the beginning
of Burning Crusade anniversary,
people would start PVPing and dude,
the amount of people complaining about,
all I have to do, I have to do 10 games
and I'm stuck at 1550 and I'm like, shut the hell up, bro
and play the damn game.
Yeah, you do 10 games, you got through your placements.
Play the damn game, your MMR sucks ass.
It's gonna go up, just play, just cue.
And you'll get better, your rating will go up.
But like it just shocks their mental so much
when they see a 15 that they just can't even play the game.
It's totally paralyzing to them, it sucks.
But I don't know, maybe it's bad for the game
have ratings. And it's, and I hope not. I hope I'm, I actually want to be wrong about
this because I, I, my own personal enjoyment, I would love to.
You're not wrong. I agree with you. I played this game for a while and I streamed it for
a while. I know how mentally it fs people up. I think a lot of people can agree that
they're kind of scared of them adding a rating system. I know we're in a call with like
people that love rating system. But when I look at the people or the community, it's
almost better that classic, you know, rank 14, right? Anyone can do it at that time.
It's that it's not like 0.5, 0.1%. Yes, kind of kind of. Because if you're good at killing,
you could go faster. Right. If you're good at pre-mage, you could get a faster. Yes,
there is that part too. But in classic, I think it's cool that everyone gets to
do everything. It's the same with rate too. You don't want to add like mid-level
rating or she broke level rating you want to have one level of rating and
same for pvp you want to have it where like everyone could play together and
have fun once you add in like the heart mechanic people start measuring their
these and once that happens like this is a list these guys feel bad they're
stuck at 14 under the output they all get made fun of every single day delt
quit we don't want that you know what I mean yeah I mean we're having this
discussion because you said if rating was going to come. I think Vanguard has the best one.
You definitely want to solo queue against your own spec, but as we all know, I'm pretty
sure most of us here have PPP for a bajillion years. It's just fucking toxic. This game
is toxic. We're all 30. We all want to have the fattest fucking wang in the call, and
that's just toxic. It's just toxic. I don't feel that way. I don't feel it when I'm
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I get on breeze with my friends and we just tune have fun.
Like I've played with the same guys for like the last 60 years.
I think most of us are not mature enough to be that way as 10.
I think if you got everything you want, you'd be that way.
But if you look at any PPP like League of Legends or any sort of PPP ranking, it just gets
nasty.
I think it can.
I think it can.
But like at least in my experience.
I think there's like a handful of people that are just like, it's a small percentage.
At least this isn't the current and most recent experience of Burning Crusade anniversary.
I think I have two sort of broad points around the PVP conversation.
I think that, like, I think one, what you experienced in Classic, right, with this
kind of what you're describing as family where people get very sensitive about their
ratings and PVP and in Battlegrounds, things like that, and TPC and Rath and so on.
I think the Classic, bear in mind, it's a very numbers-based game in terms of
performance and things like that, right? Like what does everyone do in classic? They parse,
right? Because the content is trivial to get through, right? For the first three expansions,
there's not really a hard fight compared to retail. So it's no longer like being able to clear content
is no longer a measure of your skill. So it's replaced with this proxy of parsing, which
isn't really a good proxy for skill, let's be honest, right? Like we all know it. So as a
consequence, people when they approach classic, well, they're very, very used to looking at
a number and thinking, yes, that's that's my worth. Like that's my relative value. And
And when they go from parsing well to doing rated PVP and they suck at it because it's
an entirely different skill set and entirely different thing that they have to master,
that can be, I think that results in the kind of like behavior that you're seeing there.
The second thing I wanted to add is that like you were talking about how TPC Arena
was so popular and I think it is, it's a really popular, really good interest set
up.
It's insane how many more people are playing now than five years ago.
Yeah.
It's just, there's a huge amount of depth to it.
It's a really cool game.
I think it's also telling that like arenas kick off and come along at the time when we
get something else that kind of dilutes world pvp, which is flying mounts, right? Like, Outland
comes along, the world interactivity drops like a stone, right? Because you're no longer
having to do these long journeys across contested ground on pvp servers to get places. So,
like, arena comes along to fill a hole. Now, they've already committed to, and forever
I believe at BlizzCon, to never having flying mounts and things like that, right?
like they want you to be in the world.
They want you to exist and live in the world
and for the world to feel alive
and be the main character, which I really love.
And I think it's, I'd be curious
with the people who played Sword here
because I didn't play phase one of Sword.
I played it the whole time.
They had a lot of open world kind of PVP events, right?
Like Ash and Vale and then Blood Moon and things like that.
What was the reception to that?
Like were they successful in getting people
to actually engage in PVP in a sort of Azeroth context?
All right, to interject, yes.
In the first phase, people love the Ash and Vale event.
people however have a min max capability and it became instead of us clashing and
fighting each other it became okay well let's just stand where but fuck number
one spawns kill him instantly and then rate number two kills but fuck mom number
two and that's done instantly and in the later phase for phase two phase three
when we had the STD event it was awesome right the whole zone was red
there was this big troll screaming I'm gonna rip your head off mom it was
awesome however it became because people are min maxi you only invite
Shadow Priests, Ellie Shamans, Moon Kins, or your head got ripped off by these classes.
It was crazy bad.
Crazy bad.
The idea was awesome, but the implementation wasn't exactly perfect.
Like Melee didn't have reinforcements so that they could play the game, didn't have any
extra movement speed or whatever, so we were just getting picked off like idiots.
Blackrock.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Blackrock.
Here, have 15 dailies, and you just, yeah, you'll get some more honor for killing
people.
15 dailies, I'm not trying to do some dailies, I'm trying to kill people.
This isn't a PvP event, who am I talking to? Who made this?
So it seems like the participation was really high, even if the execution in terms of how players
were incentivized to interact with one another within each of these events had varying degrees of
success. But people want to be in the world, people want to be out there in Azeroth doing
this kind of stuff, and I think that's something that Forever should really lean into. I don't
I don't know if that should come at the expense of rated systems and more instance queued up
for content and things like that.
There's definitely room for both, but I think emphasizing players being in the world, being
in Azeroth, interacting with each other in these more freeform ways is probably going
to yield a very interesting experience.
If I could interject here, I feel like I'm slightly on the opposite spectrum.
I love arenas. Of course, all of us do, but you know, this is classic. Wow.
And battlegrounds is a huge portion of PVP. World PVP is a huge portion,
but so is doing. Dueling is a huge impact. We do Makaraw tournaments.
We do all types of one V one stuff. And as a competitive player myself,
I don't have fun going around the world and killing the random plebs.
I want to make sure I fight the good players, the full amount of full HP
buffed up ready to go. And this is where I find the satisfaction.
I try to strive to fight better players and whatnot.
And I feel like we shouldn't have 2v2 or 3v3 arenas
or anything.
I would be down for 1v1 dueling setup,
but also I don't think the rewards should be gear-based
or any sort of power difference
to separate us, the sweats, to an average player.
The average player should be forced to do arenas
to get the best gear for PDP.
They should do it for like cosmetics
or stuff that we could push for, for the flex.
But I do think we should have some form of rated thing
for 1v1s, 2v2s, 3s, and 5s, that's too much.
That feels like that's further down the road.
But we've been doling since the dawn of time.
Yeah, I like the one with your idea.
I think we should have a ranked version of doling.
Now is that in the world?
I don't know, a specific zone where we doling stuff
could be cool in theory.
But with the amount of people on one PPP server,
it would just get overwhelming,
trying to get your dole, whatever.
So I would kind of like an instance base.
But I don't think we should have it where TBC is,
for example, where you just sit in the city
queue up all day because you can't go anywhere. You know, I would much rather have our freedom to
queue up for battlegrounds and queue up for dungeon, sorry not dungeons, battlegrounds and
arenas in the open world. Whereas dungeons, you obviously have to run to the dungeon,
that's feels like common sense, you know, no summoning stone, but I don't think we should
be hanging out in stone when an ogre mark human for arenas all day. I do think there's another
problem with this and this is like a conceptual extra game issue, game design issue where,
Okay, well, if I can queue up for whatever, whenever,
but I'm not saying anything, but I'm just saying like any,
if I can queue up for any one specific thing,
whenever it is that I wanna queue up for it,
then I can just kinda like,
people poof, you know, right whenever I want to.
So like, let's say you're like getting ganked
or something, it's like, oh, Q-bops, you know,
I'm combat queuing.
I mean, stuff like that, so it's like you just disappear.
But like, stuff like that is like,
I don't know, I think it's weird.
But then again, you could invite somebody to a group,
somebody could invite you as a group,
actually queue as a group.
So there's like shit you can do there
or even like layering now, it's like such a problem.
So I don't really know, I mean, I think there's,
I think a one-to-one dueling arena would be a good idea.
And you basically, you have the ladders based on class,
right, so you queue random and there's a sample size.
So this is like a whole other sort of thing,
you were talking about like resisting five kidney shots
earlier Savics.
And it's like, I, a lot of people really hate the TBC resist stuff and sometimes you will
just drop a game.
You'll just outright lose a game randomly.
So I'm watching Murm, Murm is one of the best.
He's so articulate in his gameplay, but if he just resists like poison shifts or a
tisha, it's just like, even if he's the best, he just loses his origin.
Sometimes it just happens and it, it doesn't feel good on like a, an under a magnifying
glass it doesn't feel good, but it doesn't feel good for MIR, right? But what it does
feel good for is for the other guy that MIR is going to beat 10 times out of 10 if there's
no resist, there's no RNG, you know? So it keeps that other person playing because it
keeps making them think that they have a chance to win and it keeps making them think that
hey, I should still queue, I shouldn't just log off for the night because MIR and
whoever is queuing because I can, we can maybe beat these guys.
It's maybe it's more. Yeah, well, there's at least a chance
because it gives you it gives you a little bit of confidence
on that same front, right?
This kind of goes to the to the next stage.
Talking about the one-by-one dueling arena.
Um, I think when you have like RNG and stuff like this, like, oh,
well, I just keep queuing and I keep getting, I don't know,
shadow priest and let's say shadow priest just absolutely shits on me.
That's fine because law of averages over time.
You will eventually you play enough games
you can have games no matter what you're going to eventually get a balanced sort of spread
of different classes and your rating will go up. If you're good enough your rating will
go up eventually. Now you can have in a vacuum or under a magnifying glass in a microscope
hey you lost a lot of games in this one night but go over the course of the season or whatever
just hopefully that a lot of games that you lose isn't like last night of the season
or whatever, you know, so it was like same thing, but real quick, because I got like
two minutes. So I, I think, um, you know, it's definitely really tough for them to
implement arenas because the whole world queuing thing, but ultimately like over time, um,
you know, something that's kind of static, not changing. They could get relative balance
in arena. I also think that they have an opportunity here to put in a different type
of world rated content that's not arena, it's not exactly BGs and they could start with either
a type of rated world PVP or a new type of battleground game mode.
Some idea that I had was something that's like almost akin to, have you guys ever
played smite?
Has anyone ever played smite before?
Yes, I love smite.
I've been waiting for them to make a BG that is almost like a league format where
you have to take your team, like maybe it's 4v4,
escort some NPCs somewhere against another team that's
trying to kill your NPCs, and you guys get like maybe one or two rounds
to see which team makes it further. It's more of a battleground idea.
But if they wanted to implement some new form of rated system, they could do it
around something that's entirely new.
And this is probably their opportunity to do that.
I have an idea though. You first, sorry.
No, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Where are you going to say that idea kind of built off what you said?
What if this is this is a bit of a cook, but what if it's like guilt versus guilt rated content?
Something that's so it's like very close to like a bigger scale. Yeah, basically like, you know,
40 verse 40 doesn't have to I don't know what the number would be maybe 40 verse 40,
maybe 31st 30, but basically guilt versus guilt. And then it's like guilty because something
like that. Anything that they could attach a leaderboard to would be would be kind of
That's basically me.
You can call it a guild war.
Guildly, guildly.
You guys should know that.
Guild League of Legends.
What if we could, instead of making it...
I like both ideas, but they leveled it.
That was one of my ideas that I wanted back in the day,
but we never got it.
But going with what Vanguard said too,
there's an add-on called Allford Lord that Torma made.
Yes.
What it shows is, if you press M, you see these map parts, and if the whole take over this
place, it's like red, it's cool.
And every within some hours, this becomes available for a cap.
What if they could implement something where the whole world is involved, instead of being
like a guild or like a solo rated content, it's like a world thing, so you lose as
a whole faction or you win as a whole faction.
That way everyone can be a part of it, and you don't have to be in a guild or any sort
of like team attachment.
You can just join them at the World PvP, and I think that would be kind of cool where you
have like two sets, Ashenvale and Hillsbrad.
Boom, it's open, and then like a lot of the hordes are like, guys, we need more people
to go in, and then they're all going, there's like two wars happening, two continent, and
then there's a set time, like 10 minutes.
You gotta be in this zone for 10 minutes, and whoever is in that area gets to conquer
that place.
And maybe you could get like a little map buff where you get like 2% increase EXP or attack
or something like little small, but it's rewarding.
And there's like a fun in it where you go as like the whole server and you play.
It could be a cool right that everyone gets to feel included and you lose that lose as
a team or you win as a team.
So that way you don't feel bad as what S-Fence said like, oh, I'm 1400.
This fucking sucks.
Now I'm going to quit because everyone's making fun of me, right?
Imagine like if it's a whole team thing, they could be like, man, group A and B, you guys
got to be here faster, blah, blah, blah.
And then I feel like that could be like a whole world content.
And then I like what you guys said about the dueling thing.
I think there should be a dueling area for Alliance.
It could be that under the tram area, you know where the brawlers go, right?
Yeah, brawlers don't have stuff in there.
That area could be a dueling area for the Alliance and then for the whore that
I could use that arena in Oklahoma.
How would they pull together, to be honest?
Oh, you analyze that?
Or to be together?
Yeah.
They could go to Tanaris and there's a little arena.
Maybe they could dig a hole.
And maybe there's like a whole goblin, gambling.
Yeah, that's what I mean to be honest.
It's to be like the steam needle and gambling ring.
It's in that cage in Tanaris?
Yeah.
I think it'd be so good.
It'd be kind of cool where the RP where people could put
it in bed on.
A dueling area, this is my dream.
This is my biggest wish list, I think.
a dueling area where if you do drop a flag down like henhouse,
you guys probably aware it resets the cool down.
But when you leave that area and make it where all your cool down is going to cool
down so people can't abuse it by like summoning people or portaling out to
reset cool down and come back in and right.
So to hide that abusive system, you can make it like that.
And then, but in that area, if you drop the dual flag, cool down,
reset resets, and you can just perm a duel and you don't have to wait like,
oh, I need five minutes for my ice block.
like I need four more minutes for my bubble or like ropes vanish etc right I think that would be a really cool idea
I just want to uh you know you're not talking about it as much right now but
I want to caution against any instanced pvp I think anything that you have an idea for
that includes pvp it should probably try to include being out in the world because every instance
of something that you have to queue up for and you get transported to, you lose just
that bit more of Azeroth being the main character and everybody being out in the world. And I feel
like when you start to lose that, when you start to lose people being out in the world,
you're going down the retail road, dude. And I just, I don't know. I think that's...
I agree with that. I agree.
Yeah. I think we all have great ideas, but I think it will fucks all of our ideas
is a stupid layering system.
Yeah, that's true.
I have an idea that fixes the layering system with Overworld
as our, I guess, guide for having some sort of rated system.
So what if, are you guys all familiar with Overlord?
Yeah.
Yeah, so what if we had it where there was a leaderboard
system, imagine Overworld was implemented in the game,
and you could see somewhere the number of times
that someone on one faction had won one of those
Overlord world events.
And then you create the leaderboard based on that.
So maybe that unskilled player isn't really,
you know, they're not insane at the game,
but they're in the right place at the right time,
similar to where like, you know,
a battleground blitz rated system would be.
And then they can kind of rank up
or get their leaderboard points
by participating in those events.
And then there's something that will combine,
you know, all the layers on the on the scoreboard and the weekly scoreboard.
So you can see how many Alliance total, you know, one in an overload match versus
how many Horde did and maybe the top 100 are displayed, you know, with, with
however many people won those events or top thousand or top 10,000.
I don't know.
And something, uh,
I was just thinking, sorry.
Were you, were you saying something about guard?
Yeah. Oh, I thought he was still talking. Sorry. No. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
One thing I thought of some of the, some of the, what you said, Savics, basically it could be like,
I'm taking this idea from some other game. Some of you might know a game talking,
but anyways, it'll be like a system where like, a certain days at like 6pm, we'll have
an area where guilds can sign up and fight for that area. So it's still like an open world fight.
And they go in, they fight for it, whoever wins controls that area and gets, you know,
some kind of bonus. I don't know. It could be a little bit of bunny, could be
above like you talked about. Yeah, it's a no war from another game. I think something like that
could be cool. So it's still in the open world and still it's not a rating system, but there's
definitely a competitive aspect to it where people can, you know, I just want something that's like
a long term PVP is how I see it because for me at least if we were to just have only natural
open role PVP and battlegrounds, I think I would get bored pretty quick. But so I'm still
looking for something that me and I think players like me would like that they can like
like build for long-term. And I think something competitive like that or to
gain control and know with the guild is a huge community thing and still in the
open world. That could be fun to like you know gear up really like kind of
sweat over a little and get competitive about. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what you're saying guys.
Any other topics because Vanguard brought up the PvP
The system is there anything else you guys want to like keep it short finalize and close
this whole thing off?
Yeah, so I think I feel like our seals are just I'm so disappointed they did nothing with
justice and crusader.
You guys have any fucking ideas about anything they could do with crusader or justice.
So here's the problem.
to actually make them usable or cool or just anything?
So aside from, I judge Crusader and I get a little bit
of a fucking damage increase.
I think that with Seal of Justice,
the judgment should obviously limit movement speed.
It shouldn't slow because we shouldn't have a slow.
It shouldn't give us a sprint
because I think our mobility should be limited,
but limiting their mobility is completely fine.
But if they're gonna keep Seal of Justice
the way that it is,
I feel like it should just be a cooldown
with a short buff that will just stack
top of your seals so that you can still sometimes stun people you will also have to make the choice
if you want to stun people like that sometimes you won't use the seal sometimes you won't
so it should probably be renamed not seal of justice but it should be able to be tacked on to be
a usable cc whenever you want it's not just not its own seal individually i i i don't i don't
want to seal the crusader i feel like it has a clear route it makes your attack speed faster
uh let's just double down every single time you attack what seal the crusader it should just
give you a buff for attack speed that just keeps going and keeps going and keeps going and keeps going
and then if you swap to command well now you have a really fast attack speed that does not
fuck with seal of command procs and your weapon is still treated as if it's 3.7 or 3.8 or whatever
but seal of commiter seal of crusader now you have 14 percent attack speed because you did
you know eight eight autos with seal of the crusader but now you're attacking faster now you
can build on it now we can ramp a little bit and that seal becomes useful outside of
just the judgment that you know is kind of bald i mean i i just think i just think it's
Okay, it's snowballs out of control like
Yeah, I
Didn't realize I was muted dude. I think it's
It's snowballs out of control like I think something needs to be done like a little buff to seal the crusaders in some way
Justice is great as it is like I had an idea of having a talent there used to be one a
talent that would actually increase the proc rate of seal of justice I
I had an idea of basically what the hammer of wrath instant cast talent it was
I can't remember what I called it but it was like a law bringer is what I was
calling it I was like law bringer where you have increased chance it's like
basically a PvP talent I took the hammer wrath instant cast hammer of justice
has increased spell hit but then also you increase the proc chance of seal
justice because still just is really good but part of the reason why it's
really good it's because of seal twisting. Like somebody like you have a healer that is about to
like they're about to die and they're casting healer you don't have to interrupt and then you
twist justice into command and you get two chances to proc it because you get the white
and the command hit. So it proc like if you had a seal command proc you almost 100% chance get
a seal of justice proc and then you you swap to max rank justice or swap to max rank command
you judge command you get the double damage right. So there's like a lot of different
gameplay there and then you can run a full six-second hodge off of it because it's the
random proc DR. And if you really want to lock somebody out, you can go 6-2-6 with repents
and you can just shove somebody out with like a judgment twist, which that's a whole other thing,
right? I don't think that justice is, it would be nice if it got a little buff like
through a talent or something, but I don't think that you change justice. If they were
to make it like rank two seal of justice in Burning Crusade where it limits the movement
speed to 100%. That would be cool. I think it would be really cool. I don't know if it would be
too overpowered. I don't know. But I think it would be really cool to have that.
As far as Crusader goes, I think Crusader does need something to it, because it's
only used for leveling your weapon skill at this point, which is even less of a big deal,
because leveling weapon skill is much faster. And even judging Crusader is not as good as it
it used to be because when you judge crusader and burning crusade you have a 3% crit from
all sources.
It's just so bad.
It's so bad I cannot believe they did absolutely nothing to seal the crusader.
So in original wow, like before it was bugged.
It was bugged when the game came out and it didn't actually reduce your weapon damage.
Because now what happens is that you swing 40% faster, you get a big attack power bonus
but it reduces your weapon damage.
Originally when the game launched,
we would all use Seal of Crusader.
And then they were like, wait, this is bugged,
and you, I'm trying to remember, I was like 12.
I think the exact thing that it was,
it was not actually scaling your weapon damage down,
or it was not down the right amount.
Somebody might remember and I don't.
But there was a problem there,
and everybody was using Seal of Crusader
and just auto attacking fast.
And it was basically just like a 40%
white damage increase.
So, yeah, I mean they should do something.
I don't know if they should do that again,
but it basically becomes, it's not useless.
It's just not really that big of a deal anymore.
And it would be cool to make sure that,
hey, this seal at least has its purpose.
I think the buff management and kind of like
these maintenance buffs, like always try,
okay, every 30 seconds press this,
which ironically enough, they did that with the seals.
They turned the seals into what was Inquisition
in the past, right?
Where like now it's just okay,
well I never have to recast a seal
so I don't have to like,
I got the Holy power and I judge it,
I expelled it out of me and I have to do it again.
It just stays on every 30 seconds if you take your seal.
So that changed.
And now if you have more things that are like that,
I think it ends up not being great.
But yeah, that's kinda,
what's going through my head.
Okay.
I had to bring it back up,
the twist talent,
but what if they change the talent
that we can seal twist all the seals seal the wisdom seal the light seal the
justice seal of all this it's hard to bring it up that's kind of that's kind of
how it is in British head kind of not too able but at least from command to I
think it'd be cool if it was two-way I mean maybe I think I think twist of
light the way it is now I think I think it should be two way I think it's
crazy that they the list specific seals I think should be all well see what
That's anything about the twist.
Well, how to play?
Did you have any key to say about the crusade and just this seal?
Yeah, the justice, if they do the twisting and any of that,
until you'll be able to twist justice stuns with a slow
weapon, it will be pretty reliable.
And the crusader, Swedge was saying earlier
that the holy damage spell increases adding a lot of
airstrikes.
So I think we should let the devs cook with that.
I think Judge and Crusader might be really good later.
if you don't need wisdom or the light.
And I just wanted to mention something
about all the world PvP stuff in SOD.
Those events were really great at the start
when the servers weren't bad,
but they died off, I found pretty quick.
The Ash and Vale, as soon as everyone had their rep
and rewards and no one really did it anymore.
Similar with the STV.
I'd really like to see Gallarant and Sewers come back.
Have like a dueling area where people can queue up
for deathmatch skirmishes.
I think this should be some BG style deathmatch
and you can get honor from that.
I think Blizzard's going to be hesitant to make another reward system that's an honor.
So I think it can just reward some honor and maybe a little bit of like cloth or something,
some consumable or some resource similar to what you get from VG's.
There is one more thing to add on Crusader.
It has been minimally changed.
So it does the Holy Damage taken bonus has been slightly increased by about 10% or something
like that, 10-15% from what it was in vanilla.
So it's now giving you more effective spell power versus your target, and Paladin now
also has much stronger scaling with spell power more generally.
So it has been buffed considerably in that regard, but yes, indeed, the actual baseline
seal itself is functionally meaningless outside of leveling weapon skill, as Espan said.
That sucks.
You guys really not think that that sucks?
No, I agree with you.
You could take that concept and make it into a build or like a play style if you really
want it to know you're you're right I think there is something that you could do
there but it's it's just hard it's very finicky yeah you don't get out of chaos
I like what I said I think what fossil says on this so fun with that we kind of
zeal potential crusade but will it become too out of hand is like what it
is so you're definitely gonna stack in a pup you're gonna auto a pet for eight
autos than auto major I don't think so it sounds very very niche like if you can
get it all awarded but most of time you won't after this discussion about the
seal by the way I have a cook for that in talent whenever okay oh okay you guys
remember in was it in leisure I think vanguards and adventures you guys might
remember but it was a PV talent where we like stack up 50 hammer and if you
throw it you get like a wing or reckoning or reckoning or reckoning
started off with hammer reckoning dude what if like a last row talent where
we're like swinging and if we get a 50 stack we could throw a hammer and maybe
we get like a wing for like 10 seconds that's rock off of it is fun
auto attack back then now it could be like a seal thing it hurt when they
They moved that north end by the way, that sucked ass, that was a good idea.
That was like one of the skill tasks, so you break it up and you get double wings, right?
Yeah, I cannot believe they removed that talent.
Well, maybe we can make it where if you judge like five times in a row on the same target,
you get that glow up and you throw a hammer and you get winged for like 10 seconds.
What, wings?
50 seconds in a fight.
Dude, I had to go on.
Y'all, you better calm down by my wings, bro.
I will say I will say I do think it would be cool to have a way to have the wings visual
in some way but I think I think avenging wrath specifically is way too strong because
I see some people are like they should just give them wings give them a vending wrath
is the 31 point I'm like I guess a 5% of me I want the visual aspects like that yeah
the visual is really cool and it is a very iconic thing for a lot of Paladins. So I understand.
I mean, maybe there's something that you can get that will give you like a wings visual at some
point. I got you. Yeah. Well, yeah, go fossil. You go ahead because I'm kind of certain about it.
But we have a talent, instrument of law that I really like. I don't think many people do,
where you get the Instacast, Hamerath. Let's build upon that. I want to take that talent.
Let's have the capstone be when you auto the target with a seal or maybe it's based off of judgments
Let's take Vanguard's here. Let's not do RNG. Maybe it's every third judge. Maybe it's every fourth or fifth
Maybe it's every fifth auto. Who knows who cares after that
You have a proc to where you can hit hammer wrath on the target regardless of HP
And when you hit it the wings show up on your back when you chunk it at him at any HP no matter what
Huge hit, scales of spell power, proc you have to watch something.
You can think about cool visuals, interactive other towns.
I like it.
Because I'm a little hesitant on doing instrument of law actually.
That's the hammer of that fast cast, right?
Yes, I love that talent.
I'm so excited.
I like it, but I have to give up like some big percentage stuff.
It's tough.
The shape of the tree is kind of messy right now.
Like for example, I got rid of Crusade.
which is, it's technically a nerf, but is it a nerf?
I don't know, I think the shape of the tree
is just kind of messy, and while everything
shouldn't be so optimized and laid out so obviously,
there needs to be some kind of a route
where it doesn't feel bad picking the talents
that you pick, because that's how I was feeling
whenever I was starting to pick stuff out.
It's like, ah man, maybe we should just
get rid of Crusade, and then maybe,
Well, maybe maybe we don't get if we don't get vindication here
Like I'd like to vindication as a PvP talent because now I feel like I need vindication in PvE too
So it's like I maybe I'll drop vindication here, but I don't really want to because I get attack power from it now
So it's like oh
So I think I think that the shape of the trees pretty messy
Yeah, so it's a really good point
Okay, hey, let's close this off with some speed answers speed questions speed answer style
Any other final things you guys want to throw at before ending the session?
I think we should have high risk PVP in the open world where if you kill another player
you can loot some type of gear or gold from their bags and also honorable zones where you
are forced to have 1v1 PVP in these specific zones, whether it's a specific time of day
or something.
High risk high reward, huh?
Yeah.
It's fun.
That's a fun idea.
That'd be huge.
Anything else guys?
I'm I'm just kind of spitballing here
The 31 point talent is so first off. This is like a huge mess and it's really annoying because it's like, oh, this isn't good
I don't like this. Okay. What do you want to do instead? Oh, I don't know
That's how I am right now like literally I feel like I'm being the annoying person
because I don't like something but I don't really have a proper suggestion for it, so I'm just kind of spitballing and
drawing some inspiration from what avenging wrath is which is a
You press the button, you do more damage for X amount of seconds.
Yeah.
So what if there was an ability that gives you 31 points where it enables you to do something?
It doesn't have to be flat damage.
It doesn't have to be something like that.
But maybe it's like, hey, I press a button and I don't know, faster global.
Exorcism, holy wrath, make it usable.
Maybe something like that.
Maybe all of a sudden you can exorcism any target.
Maybe you become an avatar of light, and now I can exorcism any target, and I have empowered
seals for 30 seconds.
Well, it's funny, because there's nothing called empowered seals, but maybe there's either
a secondary effect or a bonus effect that occurs.
So it's like, hey, seal of command is a higher proc chance during this time.
Hey, seal of righteousness has a higher scaling, or maybe it just does more damage.
only the seal, not like a 30% flat damaging crease across the board, you know, and because
you're like now like an avatar of light or something.
Wait, S-Fan, and you can get away.
Am I crazy for saying like, I want to build off of what S-Fan said, like make it where
it's Avenging Wrath, Last Road, Thailand, anyone that hits 40 will be like, holy
moly, we get away, that's cool, right?
It's like people getting Mortal Strike or something like, we're getting twists.
That's not, it's cool.
I'd rather have the OG twist some way and then if the max level talent is the wings and then when you pop it like
Vanguard said we're able to use
Exorcism and holy wrath and maybe our damage is increased by like maybe 3% or 5%
I think I think you do I think you do no damage increase actually
I think okay, okay, no damage increase, but we can use holy wrath and exorcism on every target
you become a holy avatar like I said and
And I think that maybe a slight issue there is that effectively what you then do, if it's a
talent that lets you use Exorcism or you're undead slash demon exclusive spells on any target,
you're kind of just replacing going for Holy Shock with going for that capstone, right? Like
fundamentally you're doing the same thing. Okay, that's a good point. You're just having
like a spell power based spell that you can use depending on other choices.
I do think it's a good point. The difference is it's on a you basically get like
like three extra systems or whatever during the period of time.
I don't know exactly what the time,
the timer of what these two imaginary things would be versus always having a
holy shock available. And like, let's get 30 seconds.
So it's like four holy shocks during that time or three extra systems or whatever.
So I kind of see what you're saying. Uh, I think the, uh,
the, I think what it needs to be is it needs to be some kind of
It needs to give you something else because honestly if I were to have like an active
that only does hey I can actually do anything I can I can holy wrath anything then it's really
not good enough on its own to be better than holy shock.
It might be a little bit better in PPP but it would be worse I think on like a consistent
DPS basis and I think if you add and it's okay if something's better or worse in
different scenarios too, like just to keep that in mind. I think if you have a, and again,
I don't know if reducing the time of a global cooldown is a good thing conceptually for what
this version of the game is supposed to be, but like maybe it's like, hey, if I have a
shorter global cooldown on my seals, or something like that, and seal twisting, baseline seal
twisting is the thing, it makes it easier to twist during that time, like you have
bigger window of time in which you can do other things instead of trying to twist so so it enables
you to be able to do that a little bit more on top of giving you some more extra zoom damage and
yeah i mean i'm spitballing here like literally this is off the top of the
we're live why don't we ask chat what they want i want to see what they have because they're
just getting on our idea all day long right let's see what they have
Are you guys cooking up chat?
Bro you guys are fucking you're so fucking rabid like
Okay, let's see what you're cooking up jackass
Everyone's got their own idea. I think I just say one thing before we reach out cuz I have 20 minutes over my limit here
Oh, I think ultimately like the 31 point talent probably should revolve something around either CO command or something around
Holy strike just to like kind of emphasize
you know, if you're going deep into red, you're kind of being more of a melee.
Um, if it's something around those, I think, I think they can, can do something cool.
If it's something like an art of war style, uh, that we've had in, in either
wrath or modern game, then I don't know, like maybe it is a little too close to
Holy shock, but then, you know, then it's RNG.
So maybe you could get to extra system back to back, but I don't know.
But, uh, thank you again for having me.
I, uh, I gotta take off guys.
Appreciate it.
Thank you so much for coming, dude.
Thanks, dude.
My chat is all kind of lining up towards Divine Storm.
Okay, I'm going to have to stop them there.
You can't...
Go ahead.
Here's something the devs were very fond of saying,
and I think they're doing quite correct.
It's that we as players are very, very good at identifying
when there is a problem with something,
but we are not very good at offering solutions
to the particular problems we perceive.
I think what happens if you add divine storm to things happen. First of all, Rhett's cleave gets too nutty, right?
Exactly.
But cleaving hard, nothing worries me because Consecrate's really good and Divine Storm's really good.
But then also,
Rath of the Lich King Rhett is a very polarizing kind of spec, right? Because I
really aggressively dislike it because I feel like you're just spamming abilities and none of them really feel that
meaningfully different to each other and
you know, it just feels like a blamange, right? Like there's no texture to it. You're just spamming abilities constantly.
like a, like a, like in a cake?
What the fuck is a blommage?
Is that a pie?
It is a cake actually.
I apologize.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, it just doesn't feel good.
And I think like, if you, if you cluster our rotation with too many buttons that you
just have to keep, keep on cold outing, it washes out any kind of, any kind of,
like interesting identity for each of those abilities, right?
I don't think it can be another active really, right?
because we've already got Holy Strike.
Holy Strike's actually a pretty good ability.
We have judgment now that we are more at liberty
to rest out no longer consumed seals.
If you're gonna go for the Shocked-in route,
then you have Holy Shock.
So it's kind of, you kind of don't want it just
to replicate, oh, I go for Holy Shock,
but it's a physical ability instead.
That seems boring to me, right?
I feel like we could have something more interesting there.
I feel like Twisted Light is almost there,
but it's maybe just not quite hitting right
for most people.
That's right.
If you could add a new ability,
what would it be for the last row talent?
To his point, we're good at coming up with the problems.
They're finding out the problems.
We're not good at coming up with the solutions.
That's a good chat too though.
Hey, how about this?
I just clicked it in my idea of my head I have.
What if we keep it classic?
You know how we consecrate, right?
We consecrate, but if we get the last row talent,
You get a button where it does a crazy consecrate, but not too crazy.
You press it and it goes like shatters.
It's a stronger consecrate.
It lights up that flooring.
And then it could do a little bit more damage in PDE.
So you have a little small window of using SAP, or let's have that one.
And then on top of that, for PDP, it stuns for one second.
that's in it. And then you could use that global to use the command judgment so that
you get like a one second stunt into a command damage, right? Is that something interesting?
It's something new. I'm trying to come up with something new.
I feel like, yeah, it's weird. I feel like maybe if you're going to add anything, like
again, this is just off the top of my dome here, but I feel like something that maybe
interacts with attack speed in some interesting way would be cool.
Yeah, yeah.
I think a lot of the TBC, like I love TBC ret twists, like TBC ret twisting is the
best rotation I've ever played by Miles in my opinion, right?
But even so, I'm not on the camp that firmly wants to replicate it one for one.
But what made TBC ret steel twisting so engaging and fun, if you enjoyed it, was the things
like the haste procs and bloodlust and all these kind of things.
And he already said, this is not a game that's going to feature haste very heavily
as a stat, right?
Like, this is something we know.
And so if you're using a slow two-hander with the Seal of Command
or something like that, you're just kind of like, oh, wow.
Every 3.8 seconds, maybe I get a nice damage chunk
or something like that.
It just feels kind of anemic.
Allowing that to happen more often
so that you get that kind of dopamine feel of command
blocking, which always just feels really good,
even if numerically the Seal isn't looking really good
right now, while also not making an OP in a PVP context
for, like, well, increasing or burst, right?
You'd still need to stay on the target for like, say it gives you like some attack speed buff.
You'd still need to stay on the target and find a way to stick on them, which Paladins have a hard time doing, right?
We're not great at lockdown. We're not like, it has defined weaknesses there.
But in a PvE context and in a, you know, it just gives you a little more power and it, like, gets those dope mini moments happening a little more frequently.
I don't know.
Um, I do think, I mean, the, the haystuff is really fun. And, and, and Anna McConnell also really likes the idea of the haystuff and attaching to seal the Crusader.
My only concern is just like if haste isn't going to be a big deal in the game, like we're
just going to be broken, like just too broke for you if we have too much haste and they
have to tune everything else.
I don't know because at a certain point when you add too many different layers of I guess
like increasing your damage, it's like, well, we'll just make everything else do less
because now you have this.
But what if I don't want to do this?
you get pigeonholed into having to do so much
that you're moving away from the original design too much
instead of expanding on the original design of the class.
That's the, for me, that would be a concern.
So, but I do think Haze is sick.
Like, I mean, I like the concept of Haze.
I'm just saying, like, these are-
You touched on this earlier, I think.
There was a comment made that, like,
I think an issue with twist to light right now
that we have, and I think people disagreed with us
on the call, which have been interesting,
but the idea that there isn't a great synergy
between the existing pallet and DPS seals that we have, right?
Like command really wants to be on a solo weapon,
righteousness, if you have spell power,
really wants to be in a fast weapon.
Like that just to me feels kind of clunky, right?
I don't know.
Like it does feel almost like we need a seal of blood.
I don't want to just reduce it down to TPC again,
but seal of blood, there's a reason the adder, right?
Like it's so offer, it's-
And it has-
And it's a reason to give it to both.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean that's kind of I think the easy answer is Seal of Blood. It's kind of the boring answer
I guess but that's the easy answer is like okay you can go spellret with the righteousness two-way
twist you can go blood and have a one-way twist. And then to be honest that might be
I don't think that would be a terrible option I just think it's like the boring option.
Yeah it seems like I mean they've definitely made an attempt in forever like you look
across the specs, right? And you look at all the emergent kind of gameplay loops that
were endemic to Classic because fundamentally Classic was only kind of half-baked, right?
Like so many classes and many specs didn't have complete rotations. So in comes the community
who play World of Warcraft for 25 years, the exact same version of the game, and they're
going to find any way they can to get any DPS out of it, which is where you get
things like power shifting for Feral Druid, you get melee weaving for Hunters, and you
get seal-twisting for Ret Paladins. And it does kind of seem like there is a directive
on high with forever that they want to cut down on these kind of emerging gameplay structures,
right, to make the game probably more accessible.
Yeah, it's just bad, in my opinion, to do that. I agree. It feels that way for sure.
I mean, I think there's a lot of Feral Druid players that are like, this is ass, this
is Zuggzugg, just gonna close your eyes and press the... There's a lot of Feral Druid
players that don't like it. Now there's some that are like, oh, finally, I don't
have the power shift anymore. But I just think that getting rid of those
place tiles for people is just not good. You gotta maintain those place tiles and expand
on them, right?
Yeah, I think if you're gonna do that, you need to replace it with gameplay that has a
good amount of challenge to it and skill expression to it, but maybe feels more natural or feels
more thematically cohesive with the class, right?
Scratch is the same age.
Yeah, like Feral, power shifting always seemed silly to me, right? Like for example,
you're druid, right? Your main ability is that you can change forms to suit your
purposes.
But I have ability that I'm already a cat it turns me back into a cat and now I have more energy to spend
There's no there's no thematic cohesion there, right? It just seems a bit silly
So I'm all up for like them replacing these kind of things with more engaging things
But I think it's universally agreed upon that twist of the light isn't really that although I will say I'm I haven't played it
I haven't played that I haven't played on I would have been able to blizzcon
I haven't played the beat at all I am willing to suspend my skepticism until I try it at the very least
Yeah, that's that's the biggest that's the core like the core issue
right with everything is like we don't even know exactly what it's going to be
like because we haven't tried it a little 60
so all these problems and all the things we're worried about is like
damn dude we're kind of just like making it we're kind of projecting all the
problems projecting the concerns more so than these are these are specific
things that we felt uh first hand i mean at most it's like hey the
blizzcon demo if you if you were at blizzcon
um another thing i kind of want to go back to twist of life let's say
there's a world where they don't want to get rid of. Okay, I also keep in mind, I hate twist of
light as a talent and as an option. But if this is the only way that they'll do this, okay? If this
is the only way that they'll let it play out as is, because in my opinion, just give us TBC seals
and then a different talent and 31, right? Whether it's like the avatar light thing,
I was just spitballing or, or whether it's even a seal of blood, whatever it is, right?
That's my ideal. Give us something else now if they don't get rid of twist of light if
They were to add some element of a timing mechanic instead of just like I cast one seal cast another seal
And it's just charged up forever until I swing and you do bonus damage or something if you do it within half a second of your swing
But if you do it within two seconds of your swing, it still works, but it's not as much damage
What would you feel like that?
It's twisting that's still to ask it's still to I know it's still twisting
But I'm saying does it does it make the talent better for the twisters because I don't I don't like this either
But I'm just I'm thinking of like if they refuse to get rid of it
Hypothetically if they're refusing to get rid of I think they're gonna lose a lot of red player base
Whenever we actually get into the talent John Warcraft's gonna come home and his rotation is gonna devolve into seal judge
I think I think you're gonna lose a lot of players if you don't like seal
I think I think I think you're gonna lose a lot of rep players because of not having still twisting to
Which is why I think you should just give it to a baseline with with the TBC seals
Cuz I agree. I agree. Okay. I think a lot. I think a shitload of people actually do like twisting, okay?
Yeah, it's it's consistent. It's whatever
I'm I would say I'm in the minority of players. I guess that I like the I like the seal of casino, bro
I like the you know
From the shaman perspective, I like fucking seeing when you're just pop off and just one shot somebody.
And sometimes it doesn't proc at all. And you fucking hate your class.
By the way, I think most people like this McConnell. I think most people agree with you on this.
I would like to see for classic players more like, OK, I like the RNG aspect.
I would like to see them lean a little bit more into it or like have a play style that caters towards it.
I think a theme that's kind of missing overall is like a like a zeal or a fervor or a fervent
crusader like something that that really you attack very quickly but not like a fucking
you're not twisting right like a twister is like a fucking you obviously have the omega two hander
but uh uh like seal the crusader like play style to me would be like you're fucking you throw up your
shit and you're just attacking super fast not for a bunch okay and i'm not saying make it overpowered
or anything obviously it's a tuning thing but as a different play style as something else you can
play other than fucking twisting you could go in that direction too because the the abilities
already there it just needs a little tweaking and a little bit more theme or
thematic stuff and I think I think you have something there if you actually
think about it. So what are you what are the
inability and it's it visually it gives you wings because the wings look sick
right yeah and it's not actually avenging wrath but you now have X
amount of haste so you you bought this thing you have X amount of haste the
way that haste works in vanilla or in I mean just in classic the way haste
interacts with seal of command you take your weapon speed divided by you know
it's 7 ppm right so you get seven parts per minute let's say you have a 3.8
speed weapon it's something along the lines of like 44.3 percent repeating
of course it's like some it's some percentage like that it's like 44.3
ish percent chance to proc seal of command and then it comes out to seven
times per minute. Now, if you have haste, it takes that original calculation of your
weapon speed, and then you swing more times. So it, like, increases your seal command DPS
because you are getting more than seven procs per minute. It increases your seal command
proc chance. So haste is actually like a very, very powerful stat for exactly what you're
talking about. So if you were to have this like, you know, whatever, like, zealotry
or Avatar of Light, make up the name.
I don't give a damn, right?
But it's a haste version of Avenging Wrath
that maybe it gives you some haste
and maybe it gives you the extra system on any target.
Maybe it gives you like a secondary effect on seals.
Maybe it does something like that.
Can I read you guys something?
Yeah, go ahead.
Sure.
Okay, remember when we talked the other day,
Vanguard's and Savik's about the Alblos stuff?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, so this is called the zealot, or zealot, it's from D4, okay?
So whenever you cast a zealot skill, okay, you get fervor, which increases your damage
by 17%, and it has an effect where it echoes the attack for an additional 17% damage.
So what I'm thinking is, you turn Seal the Crusader into some type of zealot or fervent
attack kind of shit where you have a chance, you attack super fast, but you have a chance
to echo the damage and get more out of it and you increase, like, okay, you guys don't
want to say it like, go with it.
I'm thinking about it.
So it's kind of like Seal the Command, right?
Keep going.
It's kind of like it, but it leans it, it leans more into the R and G aspect of, of, like instead, if you don't want to twist, you can go the R and G route and like possibly one shot something.
If you're, if you're doing PVP.
Okay.
What do you think?
Like what, what, what do you think about doing something like in that, down that road?
Wouldn't that still be a passive?
Yeah.
Of course it'd be passive.
I feel like these ideas are fun, but maybe I'm more in the idea of like wanting something
new for the last row talent.
And maybe we could have a Librim that can give you the normal twist, maybe a Librim
that can make your seal of crusade become the zeal you want.
I think a Librim could like fix all these issues.
I want something new and I want to kind of go back into what I was saying.
Tell me if this sucks, but open it and hear me out.
Okay.
I sent a little picture on the Discord.
So it's a two minute cool down like this is something new and this could be something useful for the classic
No, he's not pissing
So hear me out so normal consecration looks like that right where the earth is shattered and it's cool
It's like a palette of the ability is so cool, right?
Yeah, but then it's like little piss damage. It's like piss damage, right?
You if you press this two minute cool down
your your consecration goes boom for one second it's like a boom heartbeat like
boom big damage okay so as a rep paladin when you duel or when you're in a raid
like people move around no one's gonna freaking see it on that consecration
right so you could drop that concentration press this button it goes
boom and it could either blind the guy for one second or stun them right so in
in PvP it has this usage as like an intro because paladins don't have a
kick man we don't have a kick and this could be a cool skill shot where you could boom and then like
it interrupts him for a second right so maybe he's casting a pawl in you run on top of him
consecrate presses again boom it stops him for like one second okay so that's the usage in pvp
and then in that one second we could also use that command seal the command judgment for extra
damage so it's useful in pvp right and then for pve it could be like a little bit of aoe damage
since red AoE damage isn't amazing. Like this could be one of those things where let's say in
Molten Core you gather all the amps, you press this, consecrate too many CD, boom. It does like a
boom, but it's like a it's like a little snapshot damage it does. It's almost like a sapper but
not too powerful. It's crazy. And you could use this for a boss for like extra damage or
or like a little AOE fight, right?
And it's something new.
I know everyone has like a palette and idea
of different expansion or different game,
but I'm trying to like come up with something kind of new here.
And I think this could be a useful thing
for PDP and PDE because we could use a little bit of AOE,
which is crazy.
It's like a one second tick.
It's like a sapper.
And then-
Like Ash and Hollow, it sounds like,
I don't remember that ability from the Shadowlands.
I think the closest thing I could say is, you know how in, man, I don't want to say the R
award, but in retail, wow, when you get 5 Holy Power, you press Waker Bash twice, and
I think it drops like a big ass hammer and it breaks the little ground like a real quick
second.
Yes, that.
So it's kind of like that concept where it has like damage, right?
So this could be really useful in PDP and PvE.
Like, wouldn't you guys want something like this
rather than like a big increased damage?
Like, something-
There is one design structure in Forever
that it kind of runs up against, I think,
that like with tanking specifically, right?
Like Paladin used to be in TBC and onwards,
Ken of Paladin is your AoE tank, it's your go-to.
And they seem to really be intent now
on making the tanks more general purpose.
And part of that entails no tank
really feeling that comfortable holding threat on four or more mobs. So I think that's like,
if we just had some giga ALE thing at the top of red, I think we might just perversely
incentivize a bunch of pro players to run down and take it.
No, no, no, this is just trying to hold it like that.
ALE is more of like a small bump increase on consecration for like a second. I'm not
saying that whole consecration second is like steaming like a freaking frying pan,
It's just a one, boom, right?
It's just like, mage is going and doing a blast wave,
kind of, right?
It's one of those, and it's also really fun in PvP,
I feel like, because we get to blind some for one second
or stop for one second, and it's like a little interrupt.
And I feel like we could use that interrupt in PvP.
And then for PvE cases, it could be like a tiny little
cleave damage that does a little bump.
Personally, I feel like class one is also very important.
You know, we should have very much a we stuff or kick to be, you know, to be fair, we should
be single target powerhouses.
I feel like you like everyone casting on your face and shooting stuff on your brother.
That's a weakness we should have.
Hey, I mean, okay, okay.
For some people that's strength.
Let me let me hear what fossil was trying to say to build on your idea.
I don't know if you should be tied with piss on the ground, but okay, to use
the R word hammer of light is super, super awesome.
awesome. So if we just had it on a 30 second, one minute cooldown, two minute
cooldown, whatever they choose, it hits the target for big, big, big damn knocks
them up or stuns them for one second. Sure. Sure. And it deals light or lighter
damage to four or five minutes around. It kind of like what you were saying, but
this will give it more of that big, huge hammer fantasy. Maybe it's a big,
huge sword smash and everyone be able to recognize it. And if you have the
stun you can do a seal of command, stuff like that. I don't even know
about Consecrate, but it would work, I think.
I think you're too close.
Does that feel classic though?
No, I don't think so.
I think it's just super classic.
I think it's just too much.
Consecration one.
It's tough, because I think like I said,
I think that we are actively being kind of supported
quite well in terms of like having two discreet play
styles for DPS right at the moment, right?
Which is why Holy Shop was nudged up in the Holy Tree
to allow a primarily ret-based DPS player
to be able to take it and actually
be able to play in a rotation that's a bit more wrath-like or maybe a little bit more
support among your team, while not having to engage with twisting at all, because they
know twisting is very polarizing, right? I think it wasn't in the survey like almost 50-50
split, people detesting it and loving it. So I think they want to appeal to the twist
players by giving them something at the capstone or ret. It's just that, yeah, like, as
people have said, the current implementation of Echoes, it's missing a lot of, it's
just like it's a less powerful, less jackpot kind of driven version of what we already had
and saw it and what we already had in TBC. I think that's maybe where a lot of the problems
coming from, right? The fact that it's like it's just replicating a playstyle, but with
a lower ceiling and with less dopamine involved. And I think that's maybe an issue we have
to get around or like, so I think the capstone at RET, if we're back on this topic,
which we've been on for quite a while. It has to have some kind of facility to
enable AP Rats to be strong and PvE and PvE.
Do you guys like that?
Do you guys like the other option being Holy Shock?
Is that so?
You guys are into that?
I think it's cool.
Like I like the concept of Spellrat having Holy Shock and Holy Shock now being a 21
point talent and it really opens the door for a lot of things.
I mean if anything, I'll go ahead and push out on the concern.
I talked about the Protection Tree a little bit earlier.
So I think Templar's Bulwark is really strong.
Some people think Templar's Bulwark is not very strong.
So because some people think Templar's Bulwark is not very strong, if you were to rotate
the protection tree and now you have a holy shield at the 11 point, excuse me, instead
of it being the 31, and then you have to have a holy shield, I think it's stupid that
you get it at 40, you should get it at 20, should be the 11 point.
But the issue that you're going to have now is, okay, if I think Templar's Bulwark
sucks well I'm gonna go 30 pot and 21 holy let's say and now I have like crazy
single target threat because I have holy shock as a prop paladin on top of having
right sphere and everything available to me so I can even either be a threat
build pot or a more defensive pot and have the oh shit button the Templars
Bulwark as a tank or you know I just sorry those are the two things but
basically if you have those two things as your option essentially what
happens at a certain point you outgear it and then you end up getting pigeonholed until
I just need more threat because everybody has so much damage and I need to hold aggro.
So you need to have something that a 31 point that it's like, man, I really, I'm really
having a loss here if I want to take Holy Shock.
But I do think the idea of having, hey, I'm going to give something up to get Holy
Shock is very cool.
It's very paladin.
It's very play the class, not the spec.
And I love it.
I think design wise, it's super, super cool.
But it just has to be done right.
And maybe I'm wrong about making Swift Judgement 21 and Templars Bullock 31, but I feel so strongly
about Holy Shield 11.
I think Holy Shield 11 is so, so important.
Asfand, would it be, would it be first to say like, this is something I've heard expressed
a few times, people that played more Paladin than Classic, and I didn't really originally.
I was, I was on the Horde side, so I never got to play Paladin until TBC.
But one thing I've heard a pine quite often is that Paladin in Classic is primarily
expect this determined by its gear not its talents, right? Like however you gear is what
your character can do. Like if you just stack a ton of int, you'll be good at healing. If
you're, you know, this kind of thing. Like the talents have always seemed a little more
fungible with each other for in the classic realm, right? And I think what we're seeing
right here with these talents where like none of the capstones are really like, you
have to pick this up. It's actually a really interesting kind of world for like, for different
builds, right? Or build diversity. I think that's something that's quite cool. And
I'm actually super excited about it for two reasons. First is that first is that first is that it has like there is there was skill expression there right because holy shock is something that can be used offensively and defensively and you also get a cooldown to let it crit.
So there's a decent bit of skill expression with being more supportive or saving saving someone's life in a raid or something like that right. That felt amazing like like being on Algalon or something like that and rather than the Lich King and you know someone's a little low and the stars about to go off and you've got art of war up and you dump a flash of light into them it crits and they live on to HP at the end of that.
at the end of that, that feels insane, that feels so fun.
And the other angle that I'm looking at it more is almost, it's more juvenile in a way,
but I don't know if any of you have played much Path of Exile, but when you play a stacker
archetype in Path of Exile, watching that number go up is really fun.
And Rett has a kind of viable option to just stack the most spell power in the game
right now, and that's just, I'm looking forward to building that number up as high
as I possibly can.
And I think the main thing with Shockedon and Rett, like, it's mostly a tuning thing.
I think it's cool to have different options, but for me and Mikano it seems like we want
to stay full red and I think full red at least should do more damage than someone going to
the Holy Tree, right?
I think at the end of the day, diversity is good.
People getting to do cool stuff is nice, but like the balance is important here.
I think this is like, if you're going full red, since that's the DPS tree, it'll
make more sense for them to do more damage and if they go and shock it in, yeah,
maybe it'll do a little less damage, but then they have more versatility and
then they can also heal for more obviously.
Yeah, I agree and I also would do more AoE damage right via focusing more on spell power for consecrate and holy wrath and things like that
So I think that yeah, there there needs to be a trade off there
I think like right if you want to do full send single target EPS and PBE you should be incentivized to take the right capstone in some way and
I'm not entirely sure that's the case right now
I do know that twist I do know that the capstone right is testing decently well at 60
So I'm not too fussed about that
I think they'll and also we're playing a game for the first time in classic world that is being actively maintained
Right, so if something comes out if something came out in classic or TBC in your spec was just a bit crap in a certain way
You were stuck with it for a whole year and a half
Whereas now if something is a bit lacking they can react right so I think that's what we're gonna see
We're gonna see like the the rec capstone be something whatever is in its final form will be something that facilitates
PVE DPS with the more traditional kind of rat builds and I think that's what it should be I
I think I think I think I'm so I'm a I'm a hemorrhagic shill. I love the ability
I feel like it's so fucking paladin
So the fact that we can make an instant if the capstone in some form of gameplay autos seals judges don't care
If that enabled you to use it on any target randomly, you know once and then you can't do it until you rebuild it up
I feel like that's just super important now on
Along with that talent because they've done this with other talents if you just say hey
X spell now also scales more with AP or X spell now also is increased more by strength
This this would allow us to focus back on strength stuff
And also you have a reactionary proctor play around that's you know, not completely RNG or you could leave it on G
You know, whatever I
Understand that people want it to be an active ability
So as Espen said earlier you could make it wings
I mean call it Avengers Rats because that's just what fucking everyone knows right just don't put damage on it
just, hey, while Avengers Wrath is up, we can cast Hammer Wrath. I do believe
Exorcism should remain undead and demon, that way you have a little bit of
speciality, Holy Wrath too, but giving Hammer Wrath, which is, it's so paladin,
it's so retribution, having that be like a new, oncoming, rotational ability that
you would get at the Capstone, which by the way, you don't learn Hammer
Wrath until level 44, having that Capstone involved, Hammer Wrath would
be really, really nice, in my opinion.
I think that's a good idea.
I think that's a good idea.
I think that's a good idea.
Do you do add? Do you put turn
evil into that to return on
dead? I guess I can't remember
if they kept to an evil or if
they did turn on dead. I think
that it undead.
As flavor only. I leave it
flavor only for sure.
I like that. I like the hammer
concept. I think the wing
concept school.
If that's something to want
to do that, I wouldn't
deep red looks like it'll be pretty reliant on win fury like it wasn't sawed
So I expect if you have support and people to support, you know, someone drop a win fury some heels deep red is going to be really good
Otherwise, I think I'm going to be shocked for solo
That all dude that pisses me off that actually bro. It's fucking it's like 20 point 21 points down the holy tree
I'm trying to be deep red. Are you guys serious with this?
You can't be serious.
So unfortunately, McConnell, because Paladin is a hybrid, you do want to be able to do
multiple things.
The only difference between you playing shock and not shock is one point because it's the
one point for a twist of bald or you go down whole or a rot.
It's not the rage out here.
I got most of my points in protection when I'm here, King, and Vinod.
Holy Shock build is interesting. Now, I don't want it to be the mainstay. If that requires
them to do some retooling to where earlier, like maybe they just go back in and they add
more AP conversion and more strength conversion on our base toolkit. That way we favor strength
a little bit more. That could work. But I think being a hybrid is kind of important.
Being able to solo dungeons because you have Holy Shock is going to be cool as
L. Maybe you like two man a dungeon. Maybe you solo a boss that you shouldn't be
the solo just because you have this availability to you. I think what we're describing here,
where like the Holy Shot conversion is the more powerful and solo content, is just kind of an
inevitable consequence of how classic buffs are balanced, right? Like AP has a huge amount of
stacking raid buffs and party buffs that massively increase damage like Wind Fury,
like Leader of the Pack, like Battleship, etc. etc. There aren't that many that really
adversely buff spell power builds that much, right? So I think what we're probably going
to see is that that will be a very powerful solo build and you'll see ret pop off more in organized
replay. I guess I guess my problem is like to me holy shock has always been a holy centric
thing like they have their ship built around it and of course I want to be a warrior that
utilizes holy magic to do damage that's why having that spell power coefficient and stuff
like that is important because it gives you a different identity than a warrior. But I don't,
I don't, I just- That's the only shock it is. Your hand goes forward and you blast him with Holy
Magic. Okay, maybe I'm tripping. Maybe I'm tripping. I just feel like it's just not, I don't know.
To me it just doesn't hit that fantasy. It's effectively exorcism. Effectively. It's exorcism.
I can't believe what Conor was saying. It's more of a, this is what kind of like those
nostalgia thing, but it's just Holy Shock has always been kind of Holy Pallies identity.
So it feels like we're not really ret when he takes it.
So I think it's mostly like a feeling thing than a fact.
Yeah, it's not entirely wrong.
It's understandable.
I think it opens up a lot of avenues for a lot of creativity
and builds.
And that's why I like it.
It's the same reason why I want 11 point holy shield
for protection.
Light's visual, like if we want to keep talking about holy.
I don't really know what lights vigil really how it really works.
Cause I didn't get, I didn't get the time to test Holy.
I thought I was, I thought I had more time at BlizzCon the next day, but I,
but I didn't. So I didn't get to test the Holy pound and stuff. Unfortunately.
The,
do you guys have any opinions on lights vigil for Holy?
I think it looks very interesting.
You're going to put it on each individual party. And then when you holy shock,
it should heat bump everyone up a lot. I feel like it's going to, uh,
It's going to feel a little detracting though, because you're going to be less spending
holy lighting and flash lighting and more just watching this little
timer for this little party buff of lights.
It's it does seem strong, though.
It's showing up a weakness to all the time forever.
It seems strong, but kind of annoying.
I won't be using them.
I'm not here to suck them as well.
Now we're in here.
Yeah, I'm I'm not I'm not a big time either.
But hey, it looks cool for those guys, you know, I feel like I feel
like it's a little bit weird.
Um, like just the design of it is a little bit weird to me and I understand that it's
I just I don't think paladins pounds should not really be a wee healers
I just not what they are in vanilla and and even in classic they're not now a big problem for uh,
burning crusade is
Burning crusade holy pounds are literally worse than they are in vanilla. That's stupid just like straight up
They they just straight up nerf some of their talents. They straight up nerf abilities
So they are worse while every other class gets a bunch of stuff
So I understand that feeling and a lot of paladins a lot of classic paladin players feel this way
Holy paladins in vanilla specifically are sick. They're awesome. They're fun MPVP
They're great and PVP just sit there and just your torch bombing heels, right?
Weakness is that they don't have a we healing so I think if you give them a we healing that could be a concern where it's like
Okay, like what are we? What are we doing here? We get where we given them too much
much. My vision, what I kind of thought should happen with the Holy Paladin, and really for
the whole class, they really build around the seal system. So I thought that they should
do something where, now it's the past at 31 point, but I think it would have been cool
and would have fit the Holy Paladin play style and really the Paladin class fantasy.
Hey, what if we made seals do something to the heels? And so you get the 31 point
and then you get some kind of bonus effect, some kind of secondary effect on your heels
every time you have whatever seal active. I think that would have been cool, but I don't
know. I think maybe people like an active more. It just depends on the type of player you are.
If you want an active or if you want that. But in my opinion, if I'm a healer and I'm not used
to casting my seals before I heal, well, I didn't just get one active. I got a whole set.
I got a righteousness active. I got a wisdom active now. I got a seal of light active now.
You know, I got all these different things. Hey, let's say I have 11 points
Let's say I let's have some points and retina of command command and now has a secondary effect that affects my healing
Maybe it's like a bonus proc just like command does on your damage
It's like hey, there's a chance on your heel to give you a bonus
You know 30% healers and then 30% play a lot, but something like that, you know, I
think that would have been cool, but
They they ended up going with like lights vigil which is I don't I just haven't tested it
I don't really have like a strong opinion on it but conceptually I'm like that's kind of weird that like we're gonna now have a
We healing
You know, I agree. I think holy power should have empowered skills just like Rhett. That's a great idea. Yeah
Seriously, I mean that's that's it's it's class fantasy in classes. I'm like you're that that is conceptually
It's like hey, I I'm a healing pal and I don't use any of these seals
Well, now what if I have a talent unlocks all of them for me and it gives me hey my seals have a
Have a thing I think
Sorry, I was just going to say, I think part of the, there's an issue here as well,
with Brithil, where different talent trees are allowed to be stronger or weaker,
depending on how functional the class is in the first place, right?
And Holy Paladin as I just found out, is a very powerful spec in vanilla.
It already works really well, and it already has a really good identity of being a great
single target healer, while offering great raid wide support.
And I think what we're probably going to see with LightSpecial is that it gives a little
facility towards AoE healing, but nothing like you're going to see with one of the
dedicated to the healers like shaman or something like that and i think i think it's just a little
nudge it doesn't seem it doesn't seem very inspiring to low holies but i think it doesn't
need to be because holy was already a very good spec yeah um guys let's close it off any anything else
from maybe rk vian revenge vanguard you guys have been had the mic in a while anything to
Yeah, I just want to close off like by saying something a little more positive
So I think a lot forever, you know the hype that generates crazy
Hope you know, I think Blizzard did a really good job in terms of generating hype for this
So we should keep them like you know, I like a thumbs up for it, right?
And then I love them. I'm really glad they added undead paladin. I always wanted it
It's so cool. Good. Have you played vanguards?
Have you played the work at three campaign that comes with while forever the big Chungus edition?
I haven't wait. No, is there something cool in there?
You gotta play the main tagline, bro. It's just the entire idea of uned paladin is I suffer so others shall not
That's why that's where it red guys he's going for this expansion, of course
Whoever's going to alliance and hoard it's fine your your ass is gonna be cannibalized as a two-minute cooldown. I can eat everybody
It's like the best like way of like kind of you know teabagging someone, but
You know it's some bullshit though bubble cannibalized
Yes yesterday I was talking in I was like, okay, let's say you're to be wanting and you kill someone the little gnome dies
Right. He does the flip and then the night of archer shooting the distance
But he's not actually hitting you you bubble and then you cannibalized and then he the night of going bro
Oh, he's in a you.
So good, bro.
This guy's so good.
No, it's I do think I do think I'm the talent won't be as overpowered as I
initially thought, but it's, uh, it is going to be strong.
And we'll see.
Oh my gosh.
There's so much to talk about.
Oh, dude, sorry.
I just got hit with like, like, dude, we can go forever.
I swear.
Are you sure we don't have another six hours?
Yeah.
No, this is a passion.
Yeah.
This is passion.
I hope PVP set bonuses are the best in PVP. I think I hope rank 14 weapons are competitive with the best best weapons. I want Paladin to do the most damage against demons and all that. They don't have to do the most damage against anything else.
And I hope that the systems are going to add through difficult to obtain items have staying power.
power. What happened is saw it as like you would get your set bonus and then the next patch
would nerf it to make room for their new ideas. So that's kind of my closing thoughts.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
R. J. Vion?
Listen, they have been trying to make us weak for many years, but since Classic WoW,
they've made us an auto attack Andy. We have not been able to dispense justice properly
for many years. Finally, it may be our time to rise and be strong with the
Latin outside. But listen, from this going forward, they may do their best to
nerf all damage because the on all this easy suit twisting might just make us
overpowered. They may do the best to nerf our survivability. You know, we
already got no mobility, you know, but you must have faith brother that
But they will never, ever nerf our faith in the light, okay?
They will guide us, have faith, they will be with us.
Even in death they will bless us.
Well said, brother.
Very good, very good.
Well said.
Amen.
Amen.
Very good.
Very good.
I think it's important to say this.
I think that there's a lot of confusion that comes about whenever people try and critique
or something, whenever people try and talk about something,
it's like, hey, I like something, I don't like something,
you know, this could be better.
And people just take it as a lot of negativity
when in reality, those kinds of comments
and those kinds of critiques come from a place of passion,
a place of love.
If the people that are bringing these issues up, right,
whether it's us or somebody else,
if we didn't talk about this, it's because we don't care,
but we do care a lot.
And we think there's a chance that we're gonna get
the best version of WoW that we've ever gotten.
So, I'm somebody who notoriously,
like I play classic when it launched, like vanilla.
I played vanilla when it launched.
I played Burning Crusade and I'm,
Wrath came out and was like,
this isn't my class anymore and yada yada yada, right?
So that's what I like.
I like Burning Crusade and like vanilla.
And that's, to me, that's WoW.
But to be able to get a classic plus that is in line with that is something that is
so close.
It's just, it's right on the horizon.
It's just, it's just inches away is what it feels like.
And for the first time in maybe 15 years, like 10 to 15 years, I'm like, you know what?
And maybe actually, I'll think it's a further, maybe the first time ever, because I remember
bitching moaning constantly, even back then.
But now that I got older and I got better at the game and I understand different
design concepts and why did the certain things, it's different.
Man, for years, I didn't even wanna give Blizzard a chance
at all, you know?
Like it was like, I was out.
I did not care, I did not give a damn.
And I think there's so many people playing this
and coming back for this
that are probably in the same boat
that they didn't even wanna give Blizzard
another chance anymore,
because they're like, this isn't my game.
You know, the world isn't the same,
the classes aren't the same, the systems aren't the same.
And if that's not enough to get you to quit the game,
you know, when it makes your friends quit the game,
And then you got no reason to play.
And I think so many people are now coming back
and giving it another chance.
And I think that people need to realize that
the critiques and all this stuff,
it really just comes from a place
of we want the best version of the game
and the most amount of people that'd be able to enjoy it
and have the same amount of passion
and love for this game that the rest of us do.
So I just think it's important to
keep that in mind with everything.
What's that?
What's that?
You're right.
Fossil?
Two things.
What Avenged said is actually a topic we didn't talk about, which is kind of important, but
I guess we don't really have enough time. We've been talking for 400 hours. Having set bonuses
and items be pretty in line with one another is actually very, very important. You definitely
don't want to just, if you're PPP, you don't want to just overshadow. I don't want to
wear full law bringer when I'm in a BGE. I feel like I should wear the gear that's
suited for it. And if I want to mix and match, maybe I lose some defense, lose
some stamina. So I feel like that's important, but we can't go deep into it. But he's
right by the way. What I wanted to say is what Esfen said is completely correct. A lot of us have
been playing WoW for an incredibly, an incredibly long time. We've either loved it, fell out of it,
came back to it, played classic when it came out, all stuff like this. It all comes around circle
out of extreme, extreme passion and it cannot be understated that the classic devs who have made
this, even as this first iteration, we're in beta and it's going to launch pretty soon,
They have literally created magic.
You are playing the version of World of Warcraft
when you played it when you were a kid
and you thought, well, I'm going to go in an Ashenbale.
Wow, it must be hot out here.
These huge beams are coming down and it's so bright
and I can't see.
They have literally created that.
They've created what you imagined this game to be
when you were in middle school.
It is magic what these devs have done.
And I believe he's correct.
You're going to see a wave of people coming back to you
and going, oh, yeah, I remember this game.
It's so good.
It's it's the love that's been put into it by the devs is just astronomical and because what Swedge said
This is not just a yeah, it's patch 1.12. If fret sucks and fuck you
It's it's not gonna be that they're gonna make changes that we're gonna evolve and the devs are just I know that they cooked super
Well, I do have faith in them. So it was a fucking masterpiece. So I've got huge faith in the devs
I believe what they created was magic. This is magical true very true
Um, Sledge?
Uh, yeah, just I suppose just add to that that yeah, I think
It's important to bear in mind that like we're all really enthusiastic about this. This is the version
Many people have been waiting for for many years
We're all very passionate over enthusiastic and it's very important especially when we're trying to like
We have we're very lucky here because we have a very communicative group of devs here, right?
They're so passionate about it. They really care about this game and they are
of being very open with the community in a way that I really admire.
And I think we have a kind of responsibility when we're critiquing the game or anything
we don't like about it to remember there's people at the other end, right?
And to make sure that we are communicating respectfully and constructively and like helping
to make this game be the best version of the game it can.
And also just very quickly show Light Club for if you're looking for any of the theory
crafting, any of the kind of any kind of palette of knowledge, you want to come
and grow me on spell coefficients or what uses what flags and what spells by all means come
along there. And I'd also like to show the good people at Lawson's who do a tremendous
amount of work, like helping us figure out what gear is good for us. I have very thankless
tasks. So yeah, big shout out to both of those communities and yeah, super looking
forward to it forever. There it is. McConnell. Yeah, I just want to echo everybody else's
statements. I don't know what the devs were smoking when they came up with the twist of
light. I don't know where they're going with it. I curse, I curse S-Fan. I curse the raid.
I curse the loot.
I don't even want that either.
I mean, that's the consolation prize.
And four hours talking about twisting. It's ridiculous. If you actually go back
in the VOD or the video, you'll see that my ideas were obviously the best. I had no
bad ideas at all. I don't know what you're talking about.
I want Kerrigan to come in and send in a tactical nuke. A Terran army comes in tactical nuke
every time I hold a strike.
I never said that, by the way. I never said that. All I said was introduce a different
play style. I don't know where Forever is going, but they put their fucking foot
to the gas pedal and make some changes quick, fast, and in our fucking hurry or I'm
out of here. No, no, no, you're here forever. All right. Well, guys, thank you all so much
for coming. This was awesome. I think the best part about this is number one, thank
you to the devs for making this happen and classic players having this passion waiting
this long to get it. And the best part for me is this right here, us all being here,
passionate gamers and the guys that are listening. These are all people that I love.
They're listening to like 10 nerds talk about Paladin and twisting their D's bro. It's crazy, right?
And this is the best part where there's a new thing coming out
We're all excited to play and we're all wanting like different things of directions
But we're all trying to align in one way, right?
So this was awesome to have I would love to do these more in the future
Maybe when we're level 60 or 30 something right? I would love to talk more
I think it's cool when the communities together and it always like dies out in some ways
But it'll be cool to like keep it going and we all stay tuned and
Paladins of the brother even if we hold our lines
We could come in have our differences and share our knowledge and just have fun right that's the best part
So let's go in with some positive attitude and have an amazing time in forever
And I can't wait to see you guys in Azeroth. I also want to mention one thing
You're a very exciting
Community thing
real quick. We've talked a lot about a classic beta dueling tournament. It's finally announced.
It's finally official. It's happening. So, yeah, that's going to be October 17th and
18th, and it is going to be on the Horde side, PVP server, $50,000 prize pool. So,
yeah, big, big tournament. It's going to be an open tournament. So, if you want to
get involved in that, you can go, I tweeted out the video and replied with a Discord link.
So you can join the Discord and all that.
Okay, cool.
I will watch that.
The rules are on the Discord.
And the thing is the subject to change, by the way, but there might be more restrictions
and stuff added, but there's a good rule set in there.
All right guys, thank you so much for coming paladin. Cancel is dismissed. It was an honor talking with you. All right
I'll talk to you guys again soon. Bye. Bye guys
It's a fix for starting this things honor for it. Thank you guys. Thanks so much
All right, um, what do you guys think?
I mean, it's fun. It's fun to talk about stuff. It was really long. Yeah. Dude, the problem
is, it's like when you have, we might add too many people because we just, everybody
gets passionate and everybody just talks. I talk a lot. Other people talk a lot. Yeah.
This is how it is.
Yeah, yeah, true, true.
Swedish was great and so was the Swedish.
True, 100%, I agree, it's a great one.
No, I was glad at being able to have you guys on
and like it's like, we don't need it to be like a,
it's also like a fun perspective
whenever you don't have,
you come at it from different angles
in terms of like, oh, it's not just like big streamers
or whatever, it's also people that are just turbo nerds and
they enjoy the game and they love the game and they play the game.
So it's fun to get that sort of perspective of everybody.
So yeah, it's super good.
So I'm glad everybody got to come on, Tricova got to come on.
Yeah, it's really good.
I feel like in the second half of the call, we kind of got outmanned.
and we didn't have as much classic juice.
I felt like I'm like classic ballad and but, but I'm just kind of goes, yeah, I just kind
of goes, I'm a little bit out manned here.
So, but I think, I think Swedge, I think, I think Swedge and Surveillance and Canett
and Jacoba and, and I mean, everybody, right, but it was like a nice having like
some classic palette and representation.
Talking about Prott also, man, we talked about Rhett almost the whole time.
I wanted to talk about Prott and Holy a lot as well.
But it's like, man, the call ended up going so long.
That's something we're trying to put together for a minute, but it's like, I mean, people
always say every time we go to a podcast, people are always talking.
You know why?
because if I don't talk, it's gonna be dead silent.
It just, and anybody who, like, people wanna talk shit
and like bitch and moan, it's like,
a lot of times when I'm talking,
I very rarely am like interrupting somebody,
so I usually talk, you guys see how many times I like,
I like start to say something and I'll be like,
oh no, you go ahead, whatever.
I always let other people talk.
So it's like whenever the, and,
I gotta clarify, if I'm not, I'd say it would be dead silent.
I'm talking about the specific instances of people who think that, cuz it's like, yeah,
I'm talking so much cuz I'm talking whatever there's dead air.
You know, that's what keeps the conversation flowing.
Otherwise, there's a lot of dead pauses and stuff.
There's a couple times where I was like, I just didn't say anything, I'm just thinking.
And then you see it, right?
Yeah, sweat super super sweat surveillance cannon. I mean all these guys are super knowledgeable man
Jacoba obviously
Sam
Yeah
It is it is kind of I will say this it's funny because they give I start like if I start like talking about the real nitty-gritty specifics
people are so
People, oh it's been talking to me much, like come on, you guys are so freaking dumb.
That's how it goes when you tell me what to call it, yeah.
Yeah, but it's fun.
Yeah, it's fun.
I was supposed to communicate to you that new spell towns and places are on the table for five weeks, right?
No.
Um, don't want to do WC.
Probably.
Began me to say it, I do can wholly get that talent though.
I mean, that's what I made a video with like, I made the palette
and talents in the video and I, and I, that's what I had put down.
But yeah, I think, I think overall it was like super fun.
It's good to be able to have those conversations, but
They're hard conversations to have.
Chat, let me go to...
Oh yeah, don't type your age in chat.
Sorry, don't joke about your age being young in chat because you'll get auto banned like on twitch because of like child protection
things laws
Yeah, it'll it'll I part. Yeah, so GGs. Good luck
You might need to yeah, so don't don't ever joke that you're under age
Yeah, you're probably gonna end up having to put it in appeal and send in like a picture of driver's license to get your account back
Can we already done? We'll do more giveaways.
I need to go get food.
I ordered food forever ago, and I forgot to go get it.
Give me a second.
I'm back.
So I went to go get food, hello, sit up, wow, forever, speed dating event.
I don't do the arpers, what the frick?
No arping.
Please make sure you go like my tweet.
Please, please, please make sure you don't like the tweet.
No, you can just make another beta account.
I'm going to play the game.
I only played retail boring it's so good with a firm post of looks even better so excited. Yeah, dude
I hope you enjoyed man. It's it is off still here. I just turned it back on
Let's give them two point pushback protection no talent waste on any row
Wow every row and have a talent waste for shamans with three point pushback talents make held you no day MG with no CC
I think it would be cool to have public community talent unless they take place in various places.
Missing Avengers shield, fifth bat has been the signature spell for 20 years.
They get nerf the distance and put it where Holy Strike currently is.
An attack speed buff from Crusader like Hunter's deadly aspects talent would be ideal.
So, by the way, the stuff with the Captain, they gave it to the 200 of the Bits, man.
Buddha, they gave it to the tier one, Klai Eels, they gave it to the Prime, Lennox, Colonel,
they gave it to the Gifted Sub.
I also suggested Avengers Shield, but they clearly just don't want AoE to be a thing.
But I also thought Avengers Shield was probably something that was a good idea.
I used to play football for a long time, and I worked in clutch football for a while, so
like I'm very, I used to be like really strong.
So right now I'm like weak and decrepit in my opinion.
I'm a freaking wuss now.
I used to bench like over 400 pounds.
I have squall like 600 bench 400
But now I'm a loser
Now I'm washed and old
My dows is losing
How, wait, how are the cowboys losing?
By the way, Chad, here, look at the trailer, here, watch the trailer for the tournament.
I'm not sure what to do with this.
what the fuck is this?
I'm not gonna kill you.
It's all about what I know!
I'm not gonna kill you.
They've called crazy commies!
It's not the time to kill you!
It's not the time to stop it!
Good Driller.
I'm hosting the tournament, yeah, I'm hosting the tournament, trigger gmail and spam do it
on stream.
I'm not going to turn my email on stream, but thank you.
Thank you, man.
Yeah, okay, so here's what we're gonna do next is hard core zero deaths so far the journey
continues with zero deaths for Herbert Hornwood the Germany is con the Germany the Germany
is continuing. There he is. Herbert Hornwood. The journey continues. Now, I will say, I
think what I'm going to do at the end of this, like we're going to have a whole like one
to 20 sort of deal. And then I think I'm going to make a video talking about like
my opinion on the class after leveling to 20 with each one.
Chad, I want to be in the solid right now.
Why are you crying?
He's calling, they're crying.
Whoever loves out, he does, he does, Husky Raven.
Mmm.
We pumped it up the other day.
It's not no DK tournament, it's me and Tips.
TLR, council meeting.
People just talked about a bunch of different ideas they had.
You have like retail guys talking about stuff and you had classic guys talking about like
why they like classic pallet and so much.
And then it went really long, so then people had to leave.
Um, but it was good, it was like a fun conversation.
Oh
Yes, yes, it's bad. I said I was gonna message you after thank you for reminding me
Dude I
Yeah, that dude that's I just that just made me realize how long this took
Sorry, sorry, that's all I'm
I mean, here's the truth.
You can pay $60 and get into the beta.
So like saying I don't have beta access but I want to compete in the tournament, like
Yeah, $60 is like, it's money, sure.
But like, if you really think you're good enough
to get in the money for the tournament,
then you're going to be willing to pay $60 to get in
if you don't already have beta access.
If you actually think you're good enough, right?
I mean, it's a beta tournament anyway,
so it's a moot point, it doesn't matter.
Well, you know, you don't have to re-roll.
You can just make a PTR account and if you have beta access, you can have two accounts.
Thank you for the special 1-60 full access beta key.
Unbelievable.
Negative three dollars on that.
I
Was it going to pay you they didn't pay me something. I didn't get paid shit unfortunately
I
Yeah, yeah, yeah, chill dude
Oh man level 30 beta does go live
Do I'm like chewing right into the mine on YouTube, I'm so sorry
Oh nice, they go bad.
I didn't know that was the whole thing.
I'm sorry.
Can we still hear it?
It's not reading YouTube chat, not at all.
Okay, send some people some messages real quick, some thank-yous, thank-you, thank-you.
My brain is fricking melted
Thank you very much.
I
Was behind yellow, I just have that on self-highlight
Oh
Jack you know what it's time for
It's time for us to bless
Time for us to bless
Now here's how is that one S fan bless works by the way game
Not only you guys are doing too early don't hit him with the S name was yet you got to wait until that course hits
Okay, ready
Get ready
S fan bless
Unfortunately, you can't hear it on YouTube, but you can hear it elsewhere.
Pretty good.
Honestly, Chad, that was a pretty good blast.
That was good.
It was good.
It was good.
We can do better than that. Okay. Now once you relax relax relax relax relax relax calm down everybody relax
now
This works on
Drink some mana, okay replenish your fluids I
Want you guys to go and and when you guys bless I need you to bless
Full send full steam ahead, okay? I need you guys to bring the frickin juice
Why? Because if you're useful, you're useful, if you're
useless, you're just plain useless, Chad. You're just plain useless.
S-Fan bless. S-Fan bless.
Oh
Good solid bless relax relax like solid bless chat now listen this will always be it always has been
It's a very classy channel. We play classic games. We play classic. Wow. We play classic plus
What's classier than a little bit of jazz flute?
Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm.
But listen, Chad, that's not all.
They call me what?
They call me the people's paladin.
Why?
There's many reasons.
But one reason is because everybody can S-fan bless.
All you gotta do is follow the stream, Chad.
All you gotta do is follow the stream on Twitch.
And you can S-fan bless.
You don't even have to subscribe, chat. Everybody can bless.
Mmm.
Everybody can bless.
There you go, chat. Amazing bless. Unbelievable, incredible, amazing bless. Amazing. Bless,
chat. Be proud of yourselves. That was a hell of a bless. It's been a long time since we
had when you guys were ready to go chat. You guys are ready to go. Very good, chat. Very,
very good. Very good. Very, very good. Here we go. Let's see.
Thanks a lot jackass now my twitch recap for the year is going to have esfan bless as
my number one emote again that's how it goes
You think you're gonna do it?
It's been going really well.
Thank you dude, I'm trying my best man.
Just gotta stay in the algorithm, that's what it all comes down to.
Thank you dude.
All right, let's continue our questing for Herbert Hornwood.
We are continuing the journey of Herbert Hornwood, chat.
Level 16, zero deaths so far, amazing.
Amazing I
Said hey, look let's try and level a warrior without dying to 20
One pretty good
Bra's a portal in his room that's crazy. What do you mean? I have a portal in my room
Are you gonna seriously insult me like that say oh, oh this guy's got a portal in his room. I have a room around my portal
No, I'm just kidding
No more Dark Pearl is closed.
Jadaprog, thank you for the 6 months tier 1 cow guns, thank you for the 61 months, or
21 months, excuse me, 21, 21, 21, 21, dude, we should listen to that, so dumb I love
it.
Okay, um
Portals closed boys portals closed
Let's see
Dude, I okay, I want to listen to the freaking freshman sigh for 2016. It's such a classic dude
is this DMCA is 2016 Freshman Cyber DMCA
How could it not be because it's not I mean it wasn't like published it's like a like
you know I don't think I had like a label they didn't have no idea is it on Spotify
Oh
On
This is so this is just stupid
Such a good time dude throwback
I
Oh
This is such a good time, man.
I
I put up in a rover then I put up on the best put up on your bitchy
Somebody deacon me you kids
NYC I think I got a fucking show there
Roll it on my wrist roll it on my beat 30 on my waist 30 to your face
No, dude, no, this is good, dude.
It's good, but it's also, like, stupid at the same time.
That's what makes it so funny.
You know what I'm saying?
Man, I got my car washed up.
Put up on this motherfucking mug of water.
Go.
He just started mumbling.
Yeah, no, he just didn't know what to say.
He just started mumbling.
It's so funny.
Man, I put up in a motherfucking grease.
Dude.
It's so funny.
Dude.
You're the most replayed.
It's the most replayed.
Street
No, dude
This was dude, this is so good, but it's like
Song is over wrap it up Kodak. Oh, man. What a good time dude. Oh
It's so funny
Yeah, if you guys dude you guys just don't understand those you guys we don't like it
Don't try to like it
Okay
Then then you'll be enlightened
It's such a good time dude
Did it is so good it's so funny I
Need this more than you I think
Yeah, and like it's like so bad that it gets good, but also some of it is actually good.
Some of it is so bad that it's hilarious.
Uh, wait, what are we doing?
Uh, I gotta turn to the- I gotta do some bust.
I'm gonna I'm gonna drop I'm gonna drop group
Okay, so we are leveling here.
Let's do some leveling.
do some leveling. Big shot, huh? Big shot.
I like listen to all kinds of music, but there's a lot of rap stuff that I like
too. You know, out here, did you, or
lost it? How do you get the flat green point of numbers more than no portraits?
So that's called raid style party frames, but I prefer to change it to
like class colors, so you gotta enable class colors and options. I don't
I don't know what's happening.
It's like not saving my options.
Yeah, it's the entry to Chikari.
It's PPP in forever.
It's hard to tell all the 20, but...
Is there lightning outside?
Chad, is there lightning in Austin?
So, okay.
Um, you know, we've been doing this for a little bit now
We've been leveling this warrior. I'm pretty sure I can get the 20 in one day
If I if I was to like full send it
But like I know I know like all these been and he's been trying to grind out his
His routes and stuff and he's 20 like seven hours
Bro.
Bro!
Hello?
Mother of a lightning turn, north of Austin, really?
Why don't many like Warlock?
I mean, I think people do like Warlock.
It's just that it's, people that don't play Warlock hate Warlock because they're so strong.
Look what you've done to yourself.
I'm a newbie.
How do you get to 21 day?
I mean, Amp is like a world-class speed leveler.
For me, maybe I could do it in like 12 hours of like maximum focus, maybe, I don't know,
10 hours maybe, I have no idea.
But I have not died yet, Chap.
Is that going to change today because I struck ego pulling.
These guys that can chain stun me with no DR, potentially, that could happen.
Get in with the joust.
that
die
get the belt baby on the last tick you see that oh
as I look that's how you know that's a true champion right there you see that
I knew exactly, calculated the final take of the death chat, final, dude I left in combat.
I was like, I'm just gonna go make some fricking bandages.
I don't even give a damn.
I don't care what, you can go get your friends, go do whatever you want.
I know you're gonna die, so I said.
With your host attorney, you're gonna participate.
I wanted to.
I think it's better to host
Like you know me I'm I'm a competitor
What I need to better host it
When do you get heavy linen by the way?
Is heavy linen bandage 40?
It's gonna be me and Zaryu.
As bad as the Joe Rogan of WoW.
That's what they say.
I'm sorry.
Have you stepped in?
I
right about now
Hello?
So this is, so, oh, whoops.
Now, if this guy is just gonna die, I'm gonna wash and bleed.
Well, I was sick the timing the gunshot and he died at the same time.
That was great.
That was down with the music? What music was playing?
It's YouTube.
Or it's the wild music.
That holds well with you, Donny. I don't like the wow music.
No, I'm hosting the tournament.
I
Your hands of name I
Think I'd draw the drum was gonna bring back and play involvement. I think it's I think it's wait white what wait what I had a shirt
What drama?
I mean, yeah, but here's the thing about playing and I win and I'm hosting it, then all of
a sudden it's like, oh, rigged.
things sword and shield man. So the dagger actually. But dude look at this the dagger
is only five rage so it's not like this rage gen is particularly good I don't
think I think I think the big thing is blocking I think I think blocking is a
lot of rage
yeah actually I need to get a rough sharpening I have some I have like some
weight stones on me. I'm a sharpening stone. It is, it is kind of fun playing with a dagger.
I'm not going to lie.
Dude, look at this asshole. He tagged it.
I didn't have- I didn't have to order my hopper yet.
Dude, this guy tried to make sure he got the tag.
This guy tried to make sure that he got the tag.
So he had no help and he tagged it away from me?
Hehehe
And I didn't have taunt on my bar
of
dude this is why like building grouping like it's gotta try and get me killed
Dude, this guy, dude, he guyed a freaking, I healed you and not me.
Oh, I had it here.
I gotta set these hot bars.
I gotta set these key mines.
I will say this like these guys are like greens and they're kind of owning me so I
kind of see what people are saying about the world feeling dangerous I'm running
around on my palate and I'm like, oh, oh, oh, oh.
He's so easy.
I'm just an idiot.
Yeah, dude, I don't know man, the two-hander is just doing way more damage.
Then again, this is like kind of a giga two-hander, but actually I don't know.
Axe March, Hinting Blend, it's pretty close.
Oh
No daggers is pretty good
Let's see.
Nice of Orga's blue, yeah.
Is this bad as they say?
What's bad as they say?
Oh, the warrior?
I don't think so.
Yeah, dude, I think it's...
I'm not sure, but I don't think so.
Yeah, that is true.
Not at low levels.
I think the big problem is...
the projection at high levels people are worried about.
You may have missed the point that doesn't get better of the year.
Well, no, no, that's what I was saying last night,
but I don't really have that much gear either.
To really test it yet.
I should try and get some gear to test it.
I mean, like, I have a couple decent pieces, but not many.
Does Warrior feel worse than every other class you've ever driven at your level?
I don't know.
I haven't played every other class yet.
Will Dagger hit stack, be best?
I'm not sure.
We'll find out how things go.
But I kind of want to start off, or I kind of want to play all the classes so I can
get an idea.
Am I not feeling good playing a Warrior?
I would say no, not at all.
I think it's fine.
It still feels good
He did not use to have those voice lines did he?
Never played well before is not a good time to try abs. It's literally the best
This might be the best time in the history of forever
This might be the best time ever to actually like play the game if you never played before
He did in vanilla
Time is money friend yo
really he had unique voice lines in vanilla but they just didn't do anything with them
that's so interesting
we'll do a beta key giveaway again tonight I'm running low on keys
I sure could use your health
Raptor head and zebra hoods
And I'm so ladies I've so many quests right now. I
Mean how much I can tell you two levels at a wheeling cabernet, right?
Yeah more dogs more dots I remember it well
By the way, okay, so a lot of times like people talk about like jousting
Like, what is jousting?
Jousting is, is, look at, uh, look at this.
My swing timer.
So, that's whenever I take advantage of the more speed that I have.
He's slow, he's hamstring.
I'm at the end of my swing timer, so I can run in here and I swing whenever my swing
timer's ready.
So he attacks faster than I do
But if I'm away from him, then he can't hit me so he doesn't have the full benefit of his attack speed bonus
right
Oh nice, thanks dad son
So like that's why that I mean not that's the only reason why but that's like just one of the many things that like the many
values of a swing timer
And how like a lot of the skill like people talk about. Oh, thank you
Give me these a
Lot of people talk about
the skills in vanilla wow a lot of the skill of vanilla wow is like
Mechanics like physical like just knowing how to control your character. Thank you trap setter
like oh this guy's faster than me oh no but he's high he's high level so I'm
gonna go get parried get dodged overpower wait wait no we have not trained
so look I got a hamstring on him I got the rent dude he's parking vlogging
everything so I keep it going right ran hamstring he's gonna come in again
get pay oh my bro it's a terrible example
okay okay Perry block
I think people are annoyed because like slam is a weird one that like slam spec was okay
Corridor was slam two-handed furrier was that arms PV
Cuz I thought slam was two-handed fury
In vanilla
And TV see its arms, but what about what about vanilla it's all arms. Oh
And Bruce Lam was Fury.
Okay, that's what I thought.
I thought the tournament of Fury was like slams back.
four zebra hoods. Plain Stradder kidneys. I'm feeling so many of the quests. So many
of the Baron's quests are literally just like kill all these animals. Where's your grass?
I got rid of the grass because people said that it was making the stream look bad.
Well, because of the, uh, I think it was like, there was a lot of motion on the screen that's making like bit rate issues.
Why did you make wild bald? Well, it's because it has to match the players
I'm going to ask me about what's sharpening sounds I'll take them if you have them.
I'm not sure what to do with that.
I'm not sure what to do with that.
but we will thank you thank you thank you feel then
karma cameleon
Can you explain different classes of character like you were explaining it to a child?
Okay, so basically like you have all these different classes, right?
And they all are pretty unique, they all kind of do their own thing.
They might have, they might share roles, like they might tank heal or DPS, but they're
their own class for sure.
So you got one guy, so you have like some classes that are just for damage.
And the guys that want to do damage, there's two types of damage.
There's guys that do damage up front, up close, melee is what they call it.
That is rogue, warrior, paladin.
hunters and druids some druids and shamans then you add some shamans and some druids
some paladins okay then you have the other type of damage dealer that's like
major these guys are casters or they're ranged there's the other hunters there's
There's mages, there's warlocks, there's priests, some priests.
There is some shamans and yes, and some jurids.
So you notice I mentioned a couple of these guys for both.
That's because they have different ways that you can build them to do different things.
These are called hybrid classes.
So the hybrid classes are basically everybody you can heal is also a hybrid.
So a druid, a shaman, a paladin, or a priest technically.
Even though a priest is, a lot of people are like, oh, it's a primary healer.
They're still technically a damage spec and stuff, so they're kind of like a hybrid.
You can also argue that even to some degree a warrior is also a hybrid because they have
one build tanks and one build that does damage up front.
So your tanks, there's three primary tanks.
There's druids that turn into bears.
There's some palanins that play protection.
And then there's some warriors that also play protection or like some kind of sword
and shield tanking bill.
So you're overcomplicating this.
You know what?
whenever you're trying to be thorough and it's as easy to understand as possible
You end up hitting people with too many words and they don't understand because there's too many words
It's exactly what you're aiming for no, but it's pretty close. It's it's the game's getting there
like you'll see this all the time where like somebody's talking about pock this
happens to me all the time oh this guy talks is the only one who talks oh this
guy this guy says a lot of words but doesn't say anything but like I feel
like that's just like an IQ test whenever people say that it's like no
you just you're either not paying attention or you're just too dumb to
understand what they're saying but I see this happen like anytime somebody is
like actually like well thought out and informative people always say that
I'm like, dude, what?
Always happens.
It happens to me, it happens to other people.
I see it non-stop.
It's like, yeah, well, I mean,
I'm being thorough so you can understand.
So anyway, back to what I was saying.
By the way, I agree with you.
Like, sometimes there's too many words.
I wasn't talking about you when you said that.
But I was saying, like, other people
that randomly come in, you know?
Thank you.
I use many word when a few word do trick, true.
Bring back the Adobe Photoshop, true.
But basically every class can DPS.
Like others in some way,
but like some classes are better than others
at certain types of DPS damage.
Some classes are tank classes,
some classes are healing classes.
But everybody has some kind of damage build they can do.
Did he just say he's on his own?
No, I don't.
Did you mention Paladin is the best at everything?
Wait, no, true.
Paladin is the best at everything.
Hearthstone Shepherd Paladin, the god class of WoW.
Paladins historically, like people thought they were really bad at a lot of things, so
they buffed them.
But then the really good Paladins knew the secrets, and now the really good Paladins
are able to unlock the freaking ultimate tier of power, like me.
Oh, thank you.
Um, I'm gonna do this.
I'm gonna give you...
Thank you for your service.
It's a limited edition shirt that you can have.
A harness van.
Thank you, visually, of course.
Thank myself for my service.
Thank you.
Wait, how is it losing now?
Dude, I need to fix my YouTube TV, dude.
I'm safe, all of all.
Obamna.
For the Horde.
31-28 Ravens.
Oh my God.
The ravens are good.
Bring it back.
It's been Raido streams where you fix the stream stuff.
Well, I'll do that on Rumble too, actually.
How'd you rate the three balance plates right now?
I think they're all good as far as they're all like well performing, but I don't think
they all feel good.
Yeah, the workouts are good.
This game isn't just for streamers who will play for 8 to 12 hours a day.
It's also for ordinary players who have jobs and families.
Hold on.
Time out.
Please rephrase what you're saying.
The game isn't just for the elite class of society who stands tall, basking in the
light of glory.
Streamers.
also for the ordinaires. I don't remember where I heard the phrase ordinaires and I thought
it was so funny. The coven folk. What was I watching? I was watching, we were watching
I was just like on stream and something said,
it was like some video and they're like the ordinars
and I just started laughing.
Maybe my glory message.
Yeah, but what was I,
does nobody remember what I was watching?
I don't know why I can't remember what it was.
I just, it's an ordinary and I just started laughing.
Sad, oh, Sasha, I'm joking.
Hundred spell powering, what?
You know what's the craziest thing about the rust chatters, by the way?
Sometimes a lot of times they come in and they type the exact same things.
So it's like the craziest type of like group thing, but it makes me think they just bots.
That's what we're at, just gonna be doing okay.
Yeah, I think it's fine.
Even an amputee said it's fine.
Dude, my problem is these things don't fucking drop.
Okay, I gotta stop wearing gear that's like level six whites.
And actually where some gear that I'm not like getting smoked here by like green mobs
Like I'll pull two green and I like I just can't help myself
I have to pull a bunch of mobs at the same time or I have to chain pull
Is the way that I'm wired
I'm gonna hit this guy gets rage
Savannah lion tusk
Back
Go bigger go home brother. That's right. Yeah, look at look at how close I get to dying now
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I'm doing it. I've never seen it. How about just a colossal mental breakdown like that?
That was amazing
I've never seen it break to that level
I'm gonna replay this if it does again, I'm gonna replay it, I'm gonna replay it!
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and chemistry right now, all this percent literally just sounded like what was going
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size size size thank you they risen Phoenix they for the 10 month at $10
Thank you man
Why I don't know why YouTube and I don't why they both go off at the same time
Wait
I just had an unlock that occurred and I think I know why that happens anyway. All right enjoy
Esfawn TV. Hey, is it falling to come back to TBC?
I have a level 70 rogue and major pre-raid BS, but I quit because I had no guild.
Will I have a hard time finding people doing the older content?
I
Don't know I
Don't want to just like the popular thing to say would be just no
like like
Wait, sorry. We'd be yes. It would be hard to find people
But I don't actually know. I mean if you already have guys, I think you just look around
Yeah, I think you just try it because I bet there's a lot of people that still want to play but maybe other people are quitting
So maybe you have an opening, you know
Wait, okay, so this is where ordinars came from
We saw this trailer in a game showcase
That's what it was. Yeah, we were watching we were watching the game showcase and then they said the phrase ordinaire and I just
jerk cracking up in front of an ordinarious like it that's so pretentious
sounding it's amazing not in front of an ordinary the ordinary over time in a
Rio de Janeiro.
Thank you, Riz and Phoenix.
Thank you for the $10, man.
20 underscore percent feels,
21 underscore percent, pallet and feels percent.
Stoichiometry percent.
Exclamation point. Disability. C2-1-T. Let's hope it's Illidan with an uppercase. I, if
not.
A-H-H. I messed up our pots. I messed the penta point too. Don't mind me just recalibrating
You just didn't get your stream on...
You didn't get your drop on Twitch either when I'm playing it tomorrow.
Wait, what?
Can't we've lost?
I don't want to lay right now.
Yo, boss it wasn't in.
Wait, what?
Why can't I watch the games?
Beer and grass for the cow.
Thank you.
Like why is it just stuck on this?
It literally is all this happens I can't even watch
Thank you, Bozak. I need that beer and grass is very important to me. Dude, really?
Clear the cash clear the chaich
Oh frick thanks, dude sky-high quality at rock bottom prices
to say what I tried to say before TTS shot itself in the front end of the video.
To say what I tried to say before TTS shot itself in the frontal love great podcast
I felt like a squire before the order of the oil's grandmasters
One thing I heard a lot was seal twisting is a point one of Paladin gamer mechanic and also if they don't add seal
Twizzing a lot of Paladins will not play it feels like those ideas contradict
Yeah
I
Just think you have retail paladins and classic paladins
That's kind of what it comes down to is you just have retail paladin players in the classic paladin players
And it's really as simple as that
You know
I don't understand what he said. Can you add some percentages?
No dude, salesman's gonna sick man.
I don't understand why people get his heart.
Cause it's like once it clicks it's like oh.
Sorry, I said a heart. Too hard. Too hard.
It's not boring.
It's like, it's super, it's like, it's just the dopamine hit of like, just doing it and
like, the timing, the rhythm, it's so good.
I'm not still supposed to sing hard, just busy work for the sake of busy work, boring.
I mean, it's that's what everything is
Why hit any buttons ever? Yeah, yeah Russ tomorrow night. Yes tomorrow night sent in
Yeah, even the threat meter moving the way it does like there's so much dopamine that goes on it like one of your shirts are
Yeah, so this is like a big big period of time for me and like my main games
whether it's wow like I play while in GTA it's like there's like two of my main
games and everything got announced like it got like surprise announced
basically and I had already agreed to do the rust stuff so it just kind of
I ended up being really bad timing.
And if I just didn't play Rust at all,
I thought it would be shitty, right?
So like I'm still gonna try and play like a couple of days,
a couple of days a week.
I'm just doing a couple of hours a day.
If I can, today I can't.
Tonight I have a sponsor.
So I have a sponsor at like 10 o'clock.
We're gonna play a game called Nemo.
It's like been doing pretty well.
People are pretty excited about it.
So yeah, we got a Nemo in a few hours.
So I'm playing me a hit level 20 and then we'll do an emo.
No, I mean Rust is fun.
Finding an emo.
Well, Rust is only fun because of Seal Twister.
So.
Walk with-
d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d.
I
Spans the number one rep powder. Yeah, that is true
Thank you that one guy you sort of know name of the bomb dude
You see a new Hellraiser game? I did not.
I need this more than you, I think.
I refuse to go to this quest through the proper means
and thunder go forth to victory go with honor
man should i try and go get some gear from the auction house or something man
wait i still need to train i haven't trained in ages
i think i i think i literally have two levels that i need i need to train 13 and or sorry 14
and 16 how do you get your toes in as you don't have a single do that for years but i
I'm not sure it was a mouse or a macro.
It's really not so, so twisting is like actually not that hard.
Cause I mean you just like spacebar than two.
Oh wait, I haven't trained since I was 12 overpowered.
I should probably go back and train, right?
Dude, I've kind of just been like cruising through the levels
and I'm, I just haven't really been like,
I've improved overpower and I'm like,
I'll get it sometime then I keep forgetting.
So maybe we should go across before we go back.
I think it's too tedious. You have like a gear bank and other things bank. I mean most of the things in your bank are going to be gear.
I think it's too tedious.
Do you know how that your talent works?
You basically get talent points early, but you don't get any more talent points than
like having 60.
I got breathes of sherman's done.
Why no, I did use it.
Nobody's another weapon
Stop right around the butternime and get yourself a real sword. Yeah, but what if I want butter on my bread? What am I supposed to do then?
Reigns of the pack codel.
Keep the butter knife in your bag.
Well, what if the bread is coming at me and I need to butter it immediately?
So, so do you think I have a drop for Rust, Brooklyn, do you think I, do you think I'm,
I have to play it 24 seven every single day, every single hour, when there's like other
stuff going on?
All right, here we go, the bread.
Clue.
What is it?
What is it when you can't eat bread?
Let's be fun for someone who's never played WoW.
My girlfriend played back in the day once when she was running this new one.
Oh yeah.
Thanks to be good.
It's of Sylvan.
So rude in here. I ask you a question.
I don't want a skin from a streamer such rude fans. Well here's the thing, you came in and
you're just getting the energy matched, right? When you come in and you immediately complain
about the fact that I'm not not playing the thing that you want me to play,
even though I've played it for eight hours by the way, okay?
So, like, I have my stream and I have my thing that I do, and this isn't a sponsor.
I'm not getting paid for it, right?
I agreed to do it.
I was like, yeah, that sounds fun.
I love playing Rust.
It's fun every time there's like a community event or something like this, it's super
fun to play.
Now, three weeks ago, basically, all my main, actually, no, it's not even three,
it's two weeks ago.
I was wrong.
I keep saying three weeks ago.
go all the main content that I do like for like my the things that I do as a
streamer all of it got announced at the exact same time like surprise announced
at the same time so that's wow forever that's GTA 5 roleplay with no pixel
everything I announced at the same time so I had already agreed to the to the
rest drop so if I like back out and I don't do it that's kind of like a
shitty thing to do right like if like if you agree to do something and
and just like, oh, you don't do it at all.
So instead of just not streaming it,
I'm just going to stream it a few hours almost every day
and try and do it at different time zones
so that everybody has a chance to get their drop
in different time zones or whatever.
Now, did I make a mistake treating you like a human?
Let me know.
Because I could just ban you and you won't get your drop.
Or you could be polite and you can come back tomorrow night around maybe a little bit later
than this time and you can get your drop.
Like I would say about half the other people in here would be like, hey, that's fine, can
you let me know what time to plan for us?
And I'd say, yeah, sure you can check the schedule.
So what do you want?
you clearly don't want me to play so it doesn't really matter you clearly don't
want to drop
and i was really polite to you and i was really nice and i explained to you and i
and i maybe made the mistake of like treating you like a like a human
uh instead of treating you like not a human i don't know what
so like where like what are you on here
okay let's go i'm trying to get these warrior talents
Cause I would say that I was like very polite and actually like I was way nicer to you than
I probably should have been in general but it's like, you know, is there any way to
Where's the new warrior trainer?
Baaah! Orgrimmar!
He wants it right now everyone stop what you're doing. Nothing that you're doing is of any importance when this person needs there
Drop
Yeah, the rust the rust dreams have actually been so good to it's been good content. It's been very fun
That's the craziest part about this I
Just I have other things that I'm doing you know like this is like a super super important time and in
And wow, I'm one of the main people that has an opportunity
to give feedback and try and hopefully get the game as good
as we can.
So it's something super important to me,
and that's what I'm doing.
that's why it's so weird because there's a yeah all right well I mean all you have to
to do the answer. I'm not even doing the answer, man, dude.
Maybe the most mega S-band content down your career.
I don't know if I'll ever be this busy again.
Now I do read kick.
Uh, let me see what you say if you score.
Let the drop in while you sleep.
I don't, dude, I don't really like that.
You know?
Like where people stay live and they're,
cause then what happens is I want people
when they see me live,
I don't want them to associate the rust section with like,
oh, this is just like AFK viewers only.
And it's funny.
I wonder how these rust players are gonna feel
once the game servers are taken down.
Whether that's 10 or 20 years doesn't matter.
People are freaking out over pixels
that are gonna be deleted one day.
Crazy what this world has come to.
Perch 20 per pert pert.
Okay, the TGS cannot say, yeah, I just can't say percent.
Guys give me a fuck, I'm not sure.
I mean like, I understand why they do it,
but this is like a personal thing for me.
And by the way, I'm not like I'm above this
or anything.
I actually think like it's a better long-term play.
Like yes, they do this so they can farm like max ad revenue
and make money doing it.
Again, I understand.
Everybody has different ways that they handle their stream.
I don't wanna have an association with like,
it's funny, because like, you know,
over the years, like you experience
and you learn different things
and you make different mistakes
and you, different things happen.
I don't want my regular community of people
that watch my stream, okay?
To see me alive in the rust section and they immediately associate that with oh he's AFK
like even as like a subconscious like oh well he's just AFK farming farming farming the
drops and it's like yeah I mean I've even done that before right because this I removed this
I want people to be like, oh, he's in this section.
This is like, it needs to be a degree of like,
because people build expectations.
People build like certain expectations, right?
So like, even naturally,
it's just like a subconscious like,
oh, I start to think this or that.
I see what you mean,
because I get that feeling by people who's doing it.
Yeah, exactly.
Like that's, you thought of that
because you see so many other people doing it.
So I don't want people to see me in the Rust section and be like, oh, you're just AFK, sleeping or fling.
Like, I want it to be fun and good content, you know?
You're building trust in the potential.
Yeah, I mean, not even the potential base, like my current base of people that watch.
Like, I think that's just like a...
I think that is a wise thing to do as much as possible.
I just watched 12 hours of YouTube videos and I come here for my rust drops and what do I get some cow with a shield
What's up? I just want to build a nice hut in the forest and get an A4 7
Anyways, can we go on rust now? My dad turns off the Wi-Fi at 8 30 p.m.
Corgo thirty hundred
Yeah
Thank you Devon dog
Cuz there's been a lot of like good way
I don't guys have noticed that actually has been a lot of good new rush viewers to you and I'm not even being like
Patronizing or whatever
There's been a lot of like actually like very normal like
Even people being like sorry the rust people are so weird yada yada
Okay, I just bought so many things.
Sometimes I just come here for the music.
Thanks Maxing, thank you.
Thanks Cows, thank you for the 100 bits man.
Yeah, we are playing Maxing.
Bachelorette with his shield for 6 damage, you also end up spell casting for any spell
in that school from being cast for 6 seconds.
I
On the mind of the man
I really wanted to cook this skull of golden in a furnace, but the Paladin isn't streaming crust
backslash Jesus backslash
exclamation point TTS are
Ah, 777,7...
I don't know.
Ah, that didn't happen. That first time.
Illidan, where was I before I was interrupted?
Also pretend this backslash is illidan 7 trillion 777 billion 777 million 777 thousand
777.
Dude, what is this shit?
I literally said I'm gonna do my starting soon intro in Russ so you guys can at least
They're like, isn't this insane that I'm doing them a favor to give them extra time to finish?
That's insane.
And I, dude, I put it in the notification saying, hey, I'm just doing Rust intro so you guys can get a-
Because I already started.
I don't understand that you're playing us until tomorrow.
My question is, when are you going to play Hello Kitty Island Adventure again?
I've been waiting here for 50 hours and I really need my pretty pink precious castle drop.
Please stream Hello Kitty.
dude it's crazy he said he wasn't playing it still gave it two hours of that
I've got a truck and there's still many hours remaining of the two trials and
people will play as much as they want they give us a little bit of time
around people like I mean I do I played eight hours he keeps saying he's
never played
I
Did correct just dude and they go the one guy being positive being honest
There's no contract if there's no there I'm not getting paid am I getting anything
like this is what makes people hate them it's crazy that's my post chat I'm so
based this closer show play my good game instead of this one here here's the
link that's crazy that's crazy
I'm literally going out of my way this is unbelievable. I come here for my hour of farming
Rust drops while I run around aimlessly smacking rocks and hitting trees to build the frickin hut that will get blown up in a day
What is this fantasy bipedal cowl simulator? And what is an S-Fand?
I
Just I don't I don't understand how how much more amicable somebody could be
What can I help you with?
That's crazy.
GTS!
Hey, S-Fund!
Love your Warcraft content!
In not into all this rust thing, can you explain why rust is a thing now?
Isn't that game very old already?
Might the light be with you.
Paladin 4.
Ever in forever, ever three.
Thanks, thanks, Bearma.
So it's like a, there's a drops campaign going on where you can get like some cosmetic skins.
And they come to watch the stream.
And they, okay, so there's a 10 day event, there's a 10 day event going on.
And within that 10 day event, there's 24 hours in a day.
Within 24 hours of the day, and the 10 days, within 240 hours, I have an exclusive drop
that's tied to my Twitch channel, that if you watch my stream for one of those 240 hours,
Sleep SMH
They don't even pay attention to the streams anyways for the drops
T's beak
Yeah, should gift you a sub to get the drop because the friendly getting the drop for free is to much work
True, I mean they only have to watch for one hour
And I've been saying like I'm gonna play a few hours a day
It's one hour
And it's a 10-day event and I was like it's the only drop
I don't have on the second day imagine a man real quick
It's the only drop
I don't have is the only drop it'll have and they're mad at me. It's the second day. There's nine more days left
Hey, Mal like at a certain point like this is that there's nothing there
If you if you had no life enough to get
Drops to become a streamer if I actually it's shock personally benefit me if you're not going to play rust
At least change my diaper
I'm like dude, I'm I'm still playing
I'm still playing I'm also doing a bunch of other shit
It's crazy I
Got every single drop from every single streamer since I started already. Yeah, like
Do you ever play wow again, I don't know maybe someday
And here's thing I understand coming in and asking what I'm gonna play
There's nothing wrong with that
But people coming in and being rude or like people going and making up fake shit about you in posts when you're like
Hello? Other people are sleeping in the section. And I go into the section for a little bit
and do my intro in a rush just to give it to them, you know what I mean? No, here's what
happened.
You said add somebody else to the skin drop. Last time I had a share drop with somebody.
The other person did not stream at all, and I streamed a ton.
I streamed a ton, the other person did not stream at all, and I still was getting a bunch
of hate for it.
I'm telling you, it is the average IQ has to be so unbelievably low that I don't know
how to put my own clothes on every day.
I feel like that bad.
Alright, see you later, Transcott.
If someone who has 5k hours in rest and mostly teenagers are dealing with upset kids, well
What is the crazy port? The crazy port is they're they they say I don't think they're real I think they're bots
Because they come in and they say the same thing
Seems like best for all specs, even holy chokik din and prot more so than their individual capstones
thoughts
Yeah, maybe I do I do think chamberlite is kind of problematic
I do actually think that
Don't let me get in my zone.
How about record eight hours of Rust gameplay and let it play in your stream whenever you're
sleep so the rust skin former get farmed there stupid skins
No, that's what I'm not earlier and I've done that before but I just don't like that because I don't want people to come in and like I
Want whenever whenever I'm streaming whatever it is that I'm streaming on people be like
Oh, like this is like he's there and it's like good. It's like it's like something entertaining. You know, I mean
Instead oh, there's just a rerun like it's maybe for an event here. Maybe I'm overthinking it a little bit but I
I think that's how I feel, I feel like it's just, it's just not good, you know?
Um, man, I don't really have enough...
I feel like sleep form
Racer drives to realize that all those viewers are watching at one percent volume at my
Yeah, I understand
She's gonna give me this it's super fun. I swear nothing scary. Why?
True I
Like the I like the black market NPCs for black lotus and stuff. I think it's good because it's at the cap
It's I have a question. What is that?
I-tz because I see a lot of people the name it's like it's Griffin. I see I capital TZ. What does that mean?
They I see a ton of that recently
And I thought it was a rust thing, but even following since
This is the OG naming
It's has been Xbox Gary that really like Qt or lol
How come I see so how I'm gonna see it so much of it now
Oh like Timmy
Dude, it's so funny cuz I just wasn't even thinking about Timmy
Hey, Esfond, I heard you were having a rust problem!
Here's a solution!
You can remove rust from metal items using common household acids like white vinegar,
or by scrubbing them with mechanical tools.
Proven to work by yours truly!
Hope this helps!
Thank you! Thank you for yelling. She sounds like it's being sarcastic.
I mean, he was, but how did it know? I didn't know the emotion.
Oh, this helps!
Hey, what is, um...
Buy some gear.
Should I buy gear, man?
Thank you, David.
How you fix champion light, move it or delete it.
I mean, I do understand why people think it's cool.
But I mean, I'm not a huge fan of like percentage X, like X percent of this stat equals Y stat.
I
Has fun, will we see you in one of the upcoming wow forever dev podcasts, maybe
Yeah, I mean I would totally I would totally be down to do it
But it just depends on the timing or whatever.
I would like to go out there.
I think being there in person would be good.
Wait, I think I have some higher level stuff.
It's a downgrade.
Okay, so now at this point,
I wanna kinda focus on like gear,
like how having, actually having some gear
is gonna affect you.
So funny.
I bought all this gear, but I didn't even use it
cause I wanted to just compare like,
okay, how does this work now?
How does that work then?
And everything I bought got replaced before I could even get to a mailbox actually now.
I'm like looking at the levels of things.
Oh
Oh
Oh, I need to, I need to pick up, um, oh dude, I wasn't planes maxing.
Was in the auction house. Wow is back, baby. All right, let's go to the
Profession trainer
Hey, you know what I'm gonna need help with chat. I'm actually gonna need your guys help eventually I
I need to have like I'm looking for a bunch of I'm gonna need to have like a bunch of skinners
gathering profession people skinning mining and
Horribleism
To help level up professions because I want to I want to go through all the perfect all different profession options
Not now, but at some point
And look through the different like crafting trees and you know, I'm in
Cal velocity grinds Cal velocity, thank you for the 305 as a rest. Thank you, man
But yeah, I would love to go on that on one of the podcast Burma
Oh, L not planes maxing.
I know, I know, I know huge L.
Huge mistake.
Someone walk her.
Love the streams, wow, forever, Hype Pogu.
Thank you Skyhack, maybe three months, dude.
Do you have an opinion of their, uh, I don't really care about any of that.
I'm not even worried about it.
How do you respond to the acquisition that you are now a warrior player, and that
This is why you're happy about the spell power scaling we've seen.
Exposed!
Wait, what, uh, what's spell power scaling?
It's the, like, ThunderClab on spell power?
I have, uh, I'm African father of six boys.
They really want you to give them a rough true shot, so please don't embarrass me
into father.
Oh, frick.
I'm not sure if I'm going to get the
right one.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
My claw.
Wooooooooooooo!
Sorry.
I was hitting Cavalocity.
Inventory is...
I need to get out of here.
How may I aid you?
Find your insecurities tell me.
Sorry kids, no breakfast, lunch or dinner today.
Our furnace doesn't work and some jackass refuses to stream a video game that he was
paid billions of dollars to pretend to play.
Your father went out to buy one, but that was three days ago and he doesn't know how
Twitch works and it scares him.
They're human female voices are good. They're actually
That's fans the number one rep paladin. Yeah, that is true
Here, reticles, think of the tier one, and they're doing...
Alright chat.
I'm gonna be making some first aid.
Now I think the plane's running not decaying as lame.
decay a little slower in Reso.
I don't know.
Do you know what's crazy?
I don't know what button my top button is.
I don't know what key bind my top button is.
I'm trying to figure it out right now.
I'm like, is it this?
Is it this?
On Paladin.
Not going to do dual tournament.
Key that, it's my tournament.
I'm hosting it.
It's my tournament.
I'm the...
Like I'm...
I'm...
I mean it would be fun to compete here on tournament but...
Ha ha ha!
Oh I'm the victor!
Okay, we should get ready to run wailing caverns or anything.
Oh, Chatter, you ready?
It's coming!
It's coming!
It's coming!
It's coming!
It's coming!
It's coming!
It's coming!
It's coming!
It's coming!
All right, nobody cares about the rest of the song.
People only care about this part.
It's like, are you ready?
And then it's like, ah.
Ha ha ha.
Oh, there's also a lamp.
I don't think you ever think you're on some blind.
Sorry, I agree.
True, true YouTube chat.
True, no, not not.
Going hard now, I'll be pulling the lines probably.
You don't know the chances, so blah.
When you got a hoard you're never bored
I'll rest tomorrow night. Yeah, rest tomorrow night.
What do you think about the XP change of dungeons? For me, it feels like less people will level as tank or heal.
I, the open world, you don't need them. And dungeons, you don't want to get some blue drops. I hope they find a balance for this.
Yeah, XP changes dungeons, I mean, I think that there should be a little bit less XP
even the quest and a little bit more XP from running the dungeon itself.
That's Vance the number one rep paladin.
Yeah, that is true.
Yeah, I just think I think you'd give people the opportunity to run a few dungeons that
they want to use for XP instead of being a completely useless.
Yeah, no hostage trend today.
Centaur brayzers.
It's not too late to whip it with the good.
Yeah, once the last time you whipped it.
Yeah
I'm moving it right now
Any whippers
Okay, so I went and I got a pretty big gear upgrade at this point.
So we saw how hard it was for me to kill some greens earlier.
I mean, this is something that's always been the case with Warrior, is the pretty gear dependent, right?
Especially at lower levels.
But, one of the complaints that people have been giving about Warriors so far is that
they're not really scaling with gear like it feels like they should.
So, we'll see.
I mean...
I went for the sake of our testings, well I still have a level 6 chest.
Okay, so I already had this, I already had this, I already had this.
I got a new belt that had one more strength.
I changed from, I mean that's like a, actually that was like a side grid.
I think I had two strength, two stamina, leather, gloves, and now it's three strength,
one stamina.
And then the boots had no stats and 70 armor.
So really like the biggest upgrade, I got one strength, minus one stamina, plus one strength.
So plus two strength, minus one stamina, another plus two strength, so plus five strength,
and then plus two stamina, and a little bit more armor.
So is that like, I didn't actually get that much of an upgrade?
So oh god.
So we're going to see how it feels because like I've been killed two of these guys before.
I also went and got my training to be fair.
So what I add in training, I got a bunch of defensive stand stuff mainly out of here.
Oh, that's kind of that actually that just happened.
Um, nice.
I mean it's definitely noticeable how much, how much stronger I am.
I think it's more from the training than anything else. Did I get a new rank of?
Oh
I got a new rank of a rock strike
Yeah, I got a new rank of a rock strike
There's still something that I haven't gotten I think I might have had a new new battle shot as well
so
I think the biggest upgrade I got is for my talents or some for my
Bridging my skills and that's so much the armor
Yeah, Samson kind of still work. Yeah. Yeah, I was talking about like the jousting and stuff earlier
Watch me explode. I'm gonna kill this guy for raptor heads.
Demo shout, reduce their attack power by a lot. Thunder clap, reduce their attacks
be by a lot. TNT. Yeah, I mean, it still feels, uh, it does feel better finding things
a couple levels lower than, because before I was fighting like two things a couple
levels lower than me, it was like kind of sketch, right? But I think the biggest thing,
Like I said, the biggest difference is upgrading my skills.
More than the gear.
The gear didn't really...
It wasn't that big of an upgrade.
Okay, that's weird.
Yeah, dude, her Ostrich is kind of trying to crank, isn't it?
997 okay some big damn
Okay
I need to kill more of these guys
I'll get a group together for wailing caverns tonight to begin and I hope that we hit
Maybe maybe we'll hit 20 tonight. I was hoping to hit 20 before the sponsor but
Thank you overpowered
Grats
I
Yeah, we're playing it we're playing rest tomorrow night
I got 30 tomorrow no, I should be Thursday maybe I don't know the exact day
But it would be like they said two weeks of 22 weeks 30
Any more beta codes?
Yeah, we'll have a...
I haven't anything to wait a little bit.
213 crit!
I'm starting to crank!
I'm starting to crank!
I'm starting to crank!
213 grit! Dude, I'm starting to crank!
We had, we're almost done here.
We got 10, we need 15 brazers.
People said they got rid of ghetto hard thing.
I don't know if it's true, but it doesn't feel sad.
Thank you.
Dude, the combo of a thunder clap
and a demo shot is so big.
I mean 52 attack power loss is kind of crazy
Cuz you so you have so you have 14 attack power
For one DPS so if they're attacking at every let's say they have a two second attack speed
So you're looking at you know that times three I mean it's basically like minus seven damage a hit
Look, he hit me for 16, he hit me for 14, 15, okay, so remember those numbers, isn't
the same mob, but remember that, and then we're going to kill that Wrangler in a second.
Okay, so we're getting here for like 16-ish, right?
I'll do it one more time.
18 dodge dodge 14 so 18 ish Perry man on fire 15 so now I demo shout 11 11 so from
18 now like 11's 8
I didn't have demo shot before no rage gain on hits yeah they probably have fixed that
too but yeah no it's like a really interesting thing like I was having
trouble surviving and I think the skills just made a massive difference even
more than the gear but like I mean for obvious reasons the gear was a big
We're a paladin. Yeah, that is true
Should kill Casper first
Cold car booty key
What are the cold car doing
I
Did he party at the coal car hut yeah like what the heck
Which ones could be pylons, it would be the guy for it.
Guys.
I know.
Now if I had to check, I'm gonna go back to OG1.
Yeah, a little bit.
I keep battle- I keep battle-shotting extra for no reason.
Yeah, I'm not getting dodged at all, they're going to stay at lower level.
Cause I'm trying to rip some overpowers here dude.
All I want is to have my peace of mind.
You know harbor means the lustrous warrior does it really
How are you even playing WoW?
Well, I quit for a lot of years, technically.
Yeah, there was a lot of years where I quit.
And I played like League of Legends, actually.
college. I was in the Manning League. I played a little bit of WoW here and there, but I was
going to check that out of it. But I started playing WoW originally in 2004, so I played
from like November 2004 until like literally like a week after launch and then I quit basically
I don't wanna breath come out. Sorry.
I don't know.
Music. Music. Music. Music.
Dude, this last...
Okay, so this is a higher level thing. This is something like, it's like my level.
Ash fan is the number one Rep Paladin. Yeah, that is true.
skin
are expensive and it's a cool skin. No, it's a free skin.
So unless you're trying to just trying to sell your account
Do you feel any Favone Rathas going out?
No, because I played for a little bit and I was like, yeah, it's just isn't my game
anymore.
Yeah, I didn't really like Rath at all.
I kept watching a little bit and be like, is it going to be like, are they going to
bring it back to what I like or no?
Can we get dodged a little more, please?
Overpower is sick.
Okay, how...
Dude, I've killed so many of these guys that I have not gotten this...
Like, I was like running through this.
Oh, sick.
No, he's thought a range.
Oh, but it made them run back.
It didn't make them keep doing their thing.
Finally! Holy!
Hello, what is it? Yeah, thanks dude.
Ah, he left my Windows XP.
I mean, you're coming in here being rude, just check the schedule.
You're being rude and insulting people.
But it's crazy, every single Russ player that's rude has the exact same behavior pattern.
They come in they had people and they're like wow this guy's fans are XYZ
And so they won well you immediately said you stream one day for the rest drops that's very uncool. It's not even true
Having a plate three for two days how many days I played I
Played for eight hours, so I played three days
And then you came here to complain immediately without doing any research
You only have to watch the stream for one hour
But like if I if I come in and I ban you you won't get your drop
But you're like being rude to people and it's like it's bothering like that people that normally watch stream when you're just like a
Unfortunately, this is the reality of it and you've said you've said as much like you only want to come watch for the drops, right?
So like you're you're you have like a transactional relationship with the stream in the community
So so if you are
Not giving me
You know my my part of the transaction, which is just like be normal and you come watch for one hour
And you're taking away from everybody else that watch the stream. Why should I not ban you?
I'm just putting it in the I'm putting this in the same exact terms that you're putting in
I'm just- I'm making one-to-one comparison.
I didn't mean to come across a roo- Yeah, but like you're making assumptions like what you- you had like a reddit thread that was just made up, bullshit.
Come on.
They're hardcore killing me, I don't know, like not one that I'm aware of, but maybe.
Okay. How come that guy gouged him? Wait, wait, wait. So that guy just gouged him and
that reset the leash on this thing and he came back after me. Whenever I hadn't touched
him. Did you guys see that?
Good job. Oh, that was a rust thing. Yeah. It's, it's about rust.
God, sir.
I should go live in Ash's creation.
No dual tournament, it's my dual tournament.
Why didn't multiple people come in and ask me about not doing the dual tournament?
It's my dual tournament.
I'm hosting it.
I'm getting us wrong.
Thanks dude.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, just like people coming in here and being like weird or combative is like not
cool.
What's next, should I go improve charge?
And pretty much the wrong strike feels lame.
two twelve
I'm using a Naga right now
Oh, interesting. I actually didn't know that's how overpower works where you can only overpower the same target that dies to you
It makes sense. I just I just didn't know that's it that they had a program that way that's cool
Is it king of the I don't dude, I don't think so man
I had a razor double-clicking mouse, but it was like ten years ago. Almost
of the
Like a like a v2
I mean, if you want to if you want to play classic in the meantime, it's kind of like
Let's run as we're on cyborg. I actually bought an as around I couldn't figure it out
Because I was having like pain and I was like I should try this as run thing
Yeah, I think that I think the v3 is pretty good. I keep accidentally hitting the button though
No, I mean, I disabled it, but I don't want to.
I want to use it.
Hey, thanks, Bonbon.
Appreciate it, man.
observation Esfan the IRL peloton plays the most toxic games rust league and
wow hey what the deal is man
I mean I'm still playing burning crusade if you want to wait you can wait but for me
I'm still like all in on Bringer's head.
I need two more Savannah line toss.
Omg, you're the guy that has Mankill killed Ranantha.
I am not a game where I know nothing but that was so funny you rang him, didn't you?
Yeah, that was me.
That was me.
But you just found my stream?
What was your stream, dude?
Thank you, Mandy.
Thank you, Mandy
I
I
The twitch is a bit of a slipknot clip if you're not in this point. I push my fingers into my
I am not a game person, but I laughed so hard
Yeah, no, thank you, man. I appreciate it. I'm glad you enjoyed it
Yeah, we play a lot of games here. We do a lot IRL we do all kinds of different things I
Don't know why people keep asking his fan for a furnace last time I checked through he was a streamer
Not an HVAC technician Jack has true
Let's see this lever end.
You're gonna have a ran, sorry.
What about a cast on the non-seal, so let's engage non-seal to the stairs.
More burst version with Sealed Twist and more DPS, so we're, like, longer fight the cast on the stairs.
Better than the longer you keep a seal up to engage non-seal to them.
The birth version was Seal Twist and more DPS.
I'm gonna put it with that.
See, so we're fencing a good bit of it.
I feel like there's this weird buff management thing.
It's like maintaining Inquisition that they did in Cataclysm.
That in my opinion is really unfun.
It ends up being real.
People thought about tedious.
I feel like that's way more tedious than Seal Twisting
It happens over such a longer period of time
That's my opinion but yeah
I think it's making late forgiveness at the ever end later
maybe still posting yeah man the portal to the sex dungeon there's no sex
That's been worth a tele tour and it might 200% more for the helmet drop.
Unbelievable.
Just coming up with a consensus, no, I did not, we did not have theoreticals.
I mean, dude, here's the truth is like, everything that people come up with is just too retail.
But like, I feel like I'm being an inhibitor because I keep saying like, oh, no, that
doesn't work.
But then I'm not coming up with a solution.
it's like I feel like I'm being the frickin I'm the bad guy here but like I'm
just trying to I'm just trying to keep it classic you know I mean cuz like a
lot of ideas are I mean there it's a lot of guy I mean it's just how it is you
know it's when people play like a lot of retail for X amount of years like
they start getting like what if they did something like this and it's like
Retail ask ideas
And it's just like at a certain point like do you just have to cross that barrier I have no idea I
Just think we have to see it
The reasons the whole trip I don't know I don't think so I don't I don't even think cool cool down resets are very cataclysm
Yeah, rest tomorrow night. Yeah tomorrow night
A little hardcore character, uh, not recently, but I have a 60 hardcore paladin.
Like sod, sod was way overboard.
Like I think, I think in a lot of ways, sod was a disaster.
But in some ways, sod was really good and they learned a lot from it because it wasn't
bad every way.
It was mostly bad from like a system standpoint.
No, no, no, guys.
Sod from a system standpoint, absolute shit show disaster.
From a gameplay standpoint, it did actually feel pretty good
like hitting your buttons and stuff like that.
So it's like, okay, well there's something there,
but like there's gotta be a midpoint of this
and even Blizzard agrees,
like they don't wanna do Sod again.
Sod was like they were actively trying
to just like throw everything at the ball
and just see how things feel.
but like the intent behind sod I they landed on what they wanted because it
allowed them to kind of use it as the testing grounds for this
yeah
is the rune system in WAF forever? no they uh they're not doing that again
I don't think it was a failure by any means.
They kind of had to make it into a systems disaster to see how things work, if that makes
sense. So this is a really weird thing. It's okay that Saad had problems because whenever
you see those problems actually happen to play out and you really understand what the
issues are, then you can learn from it and make sure to not do it in like the whole
again.
My uh, I can't, my headset died, so I can't hear what he said.
Yeah, it was a good testing round, to, I mean they literally needed to just have things like
not work right, you know.
Test found.
A grand here.
Just finished watching the Pali Council.
Thanks so much for all the productive and useful discussion.
digesting it all, I think it's best that we delete the Paladin class entirely. Enjoy forever.
I know it's okay. It's something people actually pay for as problems by design.
It's not that it's okay.
It's not that it's okay.
Inherently, it's okay because of the
like the end result, you know what I mean?
Forever might be, I'm hoping so, that's my wish.
That's why I care so much.
That's why I'm playing so much every day.
Like I'm forming the hell out of this game
because I'm trying to learn everything.
I'm trying to learn all the classes.
I'm trying to learn the starting areas.
I want to be as knowledgeable on how every one of these things work.
that I haven't done
Maybe
Like I'm going back to Alliance because for me this is like it's not like I kind of felt that way about maybe a rerun like
Okay, I'll go Horde this time for burning crusade
But for me because it's like the real deal like I got to play like my main
You know, I gotta I gotta be the human paladin, you know
I don't know, I don't think the
Rage Shen is as, the Rage Shen
problem is not as bad as we
would think. My hope is that they
give you Rage from crits and
then give you a little bit of
variance, a little bit of
scaling, not 100% normalization.
I think that is fine. I talked
to Blizzard and that's what I
suggestion so I was like hey I think I think if you guys did this it's worth
taking a look at
to which wing talons
back 20% chance to heal enemy target on hit what the hell that's the worst curse ever
I hate that.
Man, what should I put is improved charge good.
Yeah, for leveling is what I'm talking about because I feel like, I feel like the three
He raised just seems like so little.
Actually, you know what?
I think improving Rogue's drag
is better than improved charge, kind of.
Because think about it this way.
How often will I charge?
Will I heroic strike three times per one charge?
Yeah.
I should thunder instead of her own strike while leveling really oh I see why that makes
sense
because sundar is an instant attack and you can auto attack and generate rage
should auto attack and at least sundar and increase the damage the auto attacks
you by breaking down the armor for this amount of rage cost when you are all
strike you don't generate any rage
so you only lose rage and then as a result you have
less
like a rage to use, but at the same time,
I don't seem to be having like big rage problems.
Takes a swing too.
No, that's what I'm saying.
So you can take a,
as we can do your white head to generate rage.
Oh, and then if they happen to dodge because it's so many attacks, then I can get an overpower proc.
I am unlocking the how it works
Sholders big home coming at you
I think I should really never have a strike.
I think I should have a strike at the end.
Yeah.
So, okay.
Dude, how am I, how is the drop rate so bad?
I mean, I think, dude, maybe you're just not supposed to have like an attack every
swing.
It's your favorite horde zone to use for low-levels.
I
Yeah, but maybe it's not designed to be that way
Why don't you go early worry level yeah, I mean I was gonna want to get in chill. I didn't like it
This guy's name is Bear to Touch.
Where did I, right now he's become more like a rage balancing?
Yeah, I guess.
like rend into
Sunder spam I mean
is found the 12th month of the solar calendar
and the best paladin around probably
probably probably right
really. Draugr, thank you for the six months, dude.
It's or it is underwhelming, as everyone's saying. I don't think so.
Dude, I need two more of these talents.
Dude, I got forced layered here multiple times.
Playing hardcore, it's so cringy, this place sucks.
Oh, I see but using you're doing 10 rage
You're doing you're doing five damage for 10 rage with her old strike. You're doing 32 damage for a 15 rage
But the difference is is that your white heads?
Love you, number one.
RIT PALLET TIE for the streams.
Thank you, Holy Boy Heels.
Appreciate it, man.
you
you
you
you
you
Yeah, I'm doing hardcore right now.
And someone's up to Gilneas City right now.
Wait, what?
What?
Gilneas.
Yeah, here, let me log on my, uh,
My, uh, my Alliance guy.
Is it a challenge that I'm doing?
I need to kill these baby gazelle for rage.
Hmm
Tell me the arms of your arm arms are down for the Perry
Yeah, I'm trying to do, well, I'm trying to level, I'm trying to hit a little 20 without
dying.
We're pretty good.
I mean, we're at 17 right now, we haven't died yet.
Plain Strider.
He's worried he's going to be in the closet.
No, I've never been quite a warrior.
You're not for real anyway.
Here, invite me on Highlord Svend.
You guys are going to Gilneas?
So many chats that they're going to Gilneas and they have summons
But here here whisper me on this character High Lord S. Fan
What is this about?
The Highlord dead.
Okay, cursed Irish wants somebody to Gilneas City. Should I go?
should I go should I go should I take it
you'll make like I don't do it I don't
know I feel like I feel like this is a I
feel like this is like a I don't know I
feel like it's a sacrilege I don't know
am I wrong like I think I didn't go
Like, I don't know. Like, is that, is that, am I doing a bad?
That's me and I am you from the future?
You have to take the port.
Frick!
Why? Oh, frick, am I gonna become a woman?
Okay, ready?
Dude, I feel like I shouldn't do this. I feel like I'm doing a bad.
I feel like I'm doing it bad actually. I feel like I shouldn't go
Ruins of Gilneas I don't I should I look I feel like I shouldn't look I
Feel like I shouldn't look I feel like I feel like I shouldn't look chat
I don't know. I don't know. I feel like I'm doing it wrong. I feel like it...
I feel like, I feel like, I feel like...
I feel like, I feel like I'm spoiling myself.
Wait.
Okay, look don't touch dude. What are these? Is this is this new like I actually don't know because I don't know
This is the original Gilneas, okay, I
I would assume so how do they get in here a damn warlock how did you guys get
in here if the heck and true it you
dude
some clothes on lady yeah this looks like cataclysm but I didn't play catta
Should I keep going? Turn on the in-game music? There's no in-game music.
This is a copy of the Cataclysm map. Okay. It's so funny that I'm like, I'm so clueless
on this because for me I'm like straight like like classic classic you know what I mean like
I don't know, should I go outside?
Should I go outside?
Oh dude, I don't know dude, I don't know dude, I don't know dude.
Should I go?
Dude, I'm gonna...
I'm scared.
Oh my gosh, what is this?
I don't even know. Holy!
What is this?
That's crazy.
Dude.
Hurry, hurry.
Wait, was he hacking?
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I wasn't watching, I was in a chat.
I think, I think I'm going to do the right thing.
I'm going to assume that he didn't get here through normal means.
Let me ask.
Let me ask.
Let me ask.
Let me ask.
Come on, let me ask.
guy is saying he corpse ran. I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask, I'm gonna ask somebody. I'm gonna,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna call John. I'm gonna call John.
Is there a clip that it looked like he was fly hacking?
Dude, funny thing, but I wasn't looking at the screens in the chat.
Was there a- cause I wanna- I wanna look and see.
Yeah, but I don't want to it's okay listen, let me explain oh
Oh shit.
I think he was hacking.
I'm not reporting, but I'm just saying, like,
I don't know, I just feel like...
I don't know.
But here's the thing.
What?
What?
I'm so confused.
What? I'm so confused.
He's known for this.
Because the warlock was level one so I didn't get the summon from the warlock.
The guy who summoned me said he corpse ran.
My full screen is here succubus.
I don't, here's the thing, this is, this is, this is my, this is my actual real bottom
line concern.
I think if it's, if there's a way to get in through normal means and Blizzard didn't
block it off, then that's one thing.
But if it's not possible to get in through normal means, and yada, yada, yada, it's like
in the beta, right?
It's in the beta that didn't block it off, whatever, and like through normal means, like
dying corpse run, whatever, jump, you know, whatever, that's what it is.
But if it was not intended to show something, then I know this is kind of a high road.
I get it.
I'm not a high roader, but it's a shitty thing for me to do to publicize something that's
It's not intended to be seen in any other way at my own benefit of getting a cool YouTube
video out of it with a lot of views.
So unless I know, unless I know that I can show it, you know what I mean?
It's not even about good terms of Blizzard.
It's like a, it's like an honor thing.
You know what I mean?
It's like, it's like an honor, like,
you gotta respect the craft, if that makes sense.
You know what I mean?
And Gratsis Fand. You are now just as confused as a real Blizzard Dev now.
I'm only employee he he.
How is this guy known?
I'm so confused.
Have a look without showing us.
I
Uncle works at blizzard and that's fine
Okay
My name is Holly Longbeal, you're okay, oh okay.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm so blown away.
Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da.
Should I go?
Okay.
I'm going to do a little relaunch.
guys
Frick dude, Frick Frick! I, I, I have to pee.
I need a red ball.
Quick!
Okay, I had to pee.
Okay, chat, I made a peevee.
All right.
Let's explore Gilneas.
I need this more than you I think.
I think I'm in the clear.
It sounds like I'm in the clear.
Oh my, dude, the fact that this song is playing, by the way, no way.
The fact that this is a song that, you know what song this is?
It's this song from the burning crusade, the Hellfire Peninsula video from the mage.
That's so funny.
No, it was random.
It just randomly went through the song.
No way.
Yeah, the beta exploration video Okay, thank you Adam Warlock for the tier one.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, so this is all from Cataclysm.
Have fun.
I want my credit.
well the other guys wait what is this well the other guys res run in here
No, I never- I mean I made it working but literally- oh I thought that was a statue
for a second. Dude, this looks crazy. There's no music in this area yet. Dude, this looks
so cool. What is this? I don't, because I was not a big, for me it was vanilla burning
crocheted. I'm a classic guy. So is this the exact same as Cataclysm? I mean, everything
looks a little bit higher res. This is the Worgen starting area. So we know that the
the wargan's starting area is in the game so they do intend to open up gilmeas
I mean also a lot of this could just be placeholder
You know, I think they send everything over and then go back and change it.
Is the battleground in retail?
Wait, really?
So they put a battleground and re-heal in the open world.
This can't be right.
Wait, so there's like broken assets and stuff too.
Wait, this is so cool.
Wait, so this might just be like the unfinished Gilneas that we're going to get to see.
Hold on, Shadow, I almost forgot, one second, I almost forgot.
Bug report, issue reporter, bug report, okay.
These bricks are floating in Gilneas.
Submit.
Anyway.
Anyway
Dude the light shining through the fence
Absolute cinema, holy
Amazing!
The fog! The fog!
Foggers.
Okay, let's keep going
Well, let's keep exploring the side first
Feels like battlefield one dude to be honest it it does kind of look like an FPS game doesn't it the controller
Gate's closed.
Oh my gosh, look at the canal that looks so cool the raindrops hitting the water as it
flows that holy incredible dude dude w gilmeas dude w gilmeas
Oh
A little that wall jump risky
Here's again
Wait dude, what if I die?
Oh my gosh, I have to be careful.
I have to be careful?
Oh my gosh, I'm so sick with a freaking sun.
The lighting is crazy.
Dude, I'm kind of scared to go the wrong way and I can't get back up.
Dude, to be fair, dude, the working architecture is so good.
It's like more of like a, what's the word on like, it's like gothic, but there's a mob
on the roof.
Wait, where?
You saw a mob on the roof?
Where?
Why is there druid up there?
How'd you get up there?
Dude, I am blown away
away
duty in one of the craps you know what i i want to mention this real quick
you know what one of the craziest things
one of the craziest things that happened
actually i i i thought i was going to walk thing
the company that you did
i thought a lot about sod
and how i think some things about sod were
a mess and some things are pretty good right
but the one thing that is just
factual statement. The end result of what sod did was really, really good because it was an
opportunity for Blizzard to learn a bunch by just throwing everything at the wall. Yes,
the systems were a disaster. Yes, things were weird. Yes, PvP was terrible and unbalanced.
All those things are true. Right? You know what else is true? Hey, pushing your buttons is fun.
You know, pushing your buttons is fun. And learning like, hey, what types of,
You know gameplay styles really resonates and connects with people all that is is that's they figured all that stuff out
With side now isn't it's a perfect have they finished figuring it out? That's a different thing
But there's one more thing that we always talk about
And sorry we always talk about this, but there's one more thing that we never talked about and
saw it did
get something that was previously thought to be impossible. Huge development
for a while, and I don't know if they've ever... wait am I leaking?
This has probably been talked about at some point. Anyway, I'm gonna say it anyway. Who cares?
Because it's not a big deal. It's very cool.
Sod was an opportunity to
find out how you could take parts of the wow map and
Like cut and paste and mash it together. They might have already said this
So like when did they do this scarlet enclave like that whole area on the other side of the okay
They've said this okay, so so anyway
To be able to go
And get that whole backside of Scarlet Enclave and the Death Knight starting area from Wrath
Well, I don't know I don't know if they said it and I don't I don't remember if it was like yeah, anyway, whatever
So that whole backside
They didn't think they could do that before and then they found out a way to basically take parts of other versions of
Azeroth from different expanses and be able to cut them out and paste them together. Okay
So to be able to do that ends up setting the stage to be able to use like hey
this is the Cataclysm version of Gilneas or whatever. Let's put it in there and
then let's build off of it. Like that is really freaking cool. That is that is
very very like from a tech standpoint, from a development standpoint, that is
huge because you don't have to rebuild the whole thing from scratch. And you
can actively use the thing that you're building off of as a reference point
for what it looks like. It's like oh we're gonna change this here, we're
to change that there it's incredible it's it's so so cool so that's like one of
the coolest things that we're gonna see here it's very like that is actually
like a big big win for blizzard that that sod was able to do Disney has been
able to do that for years but that's all we're talking about the game that
these guys make you know we're talking about their their game you know that's
like the way they've coded it in the way they put it together so it doesn't
Really?
Why is that window shutter opening?
Wait, what?
They did this in the Simpsons.
Carbonate add-on will show you a lot when you zoom into the right of the location you
just measured.
So this was in Cataclysm, I guess it was in the Warden starting area.
Dude, I feel like this looks sick.
Like it looks like Gilneas actually looks like a fully fleshed out city, like Gothic
Victorian era.
This is so cool.
I feel like I got a switch keyboard and mouse for a second, even though even though looking
I'm getting it smooth and sick.
Man I'm like kinda scared to jump out.
I'm going to turn on the action cam I was doing else in this client we have the action
which is actually sick for making videos.
Oh my gosh, the action cam is so good.
Holy.
The Daring Actual Cinema
Damn.
Damn.
Damn.
Dude, I'm gonna be honest.
I wish I came here on a different character.
So I could never leave.
But I don't read those the same.
It looks different with the lighting, though.
Let's see.
Okay.
Ready?
Okay.
and
Okay, let's keep looking chat
Where's the I'm in Gilneas
Now I was saying I was saying if there's like they have like spots where they like have kill zones
I don't want I don't want to I
Don't want to share them with people
I don't want to hear about it because I don't want to share them with people so that people
are like figuring out, uh, I don't know, like, because if they have kill zones, like, they
clearly don't want you there if they have kill zones, you know what I mean?
I've been here through Devlin, that's what they say, they say they got here through
Devlin.
A clever use of game mechanics, true.
the
Dude, the controller with the action cam is kind of sick.
Wait, it's out there.
Oh, I just...
Oh, look, I just walked around.
Yeah, it's funny. My controller, I can't press space, but I can't, like, jump.
Look at the architecture, dude. This is incredible.
All right, let's go down here. We go down here. Let's go into the city. Look look look at the lighting on this
Okay, so we're in Gilneas City Gilneas City is is pretty much like the copium-pasted cataclysm now we don't have access to this right now
now like not like I wonder how they got in here wait there's two flags you can't
to have two flags. Chat, hold on real quick, I gotta do my due diligence here, we gotta
do our due diligence. Bug report, two flags are showing up in this unintended area to
be played in in the beta just thought I would let you find ladies and gentlemen
no wait that sounds weird find gentlemen wait that sounds horn
Guys and girls, people know.
Let you folks know.
Let y'all folks know.
Oh look, there's actually two of them all together, it's not just a flag, they have two
of these poles stacked.
What do you mean you people?
Frick!
I
Get culture for me y'all somebody double-clicked asset. Yeah, true
His new fable game looks great dude table three
Wee!
Should I go on the fable 3 section?
I
Fable three
Why is there 27 viewers in the Fable 3 section?
Yeah, welcome to fable 3 isn't this amazing
Hey man just came in from the field three section job of follow. Thank you. Welcome to the show
We're doing a full playthrough tonight.
Wow.
So this is all Cataclysm's floating area.
Is that right?
Tell me if you guys see something new here, because I don't know any better.
Like, I made a war getting cataclysm, but I, you know, it's like, I didn't, like, really
level him.
You know what I mean?
It's all new, new race, play new race.
Whatever, I came back for a little bit, but I don't, I, I don't remember a single,
single part of it.
There's nothing new to see here.
Okay.
You know what the real strat is?
You bring a sky born in here with a freaking glider racial.
I bet there is new stuff outside the city.
There's a moat.
A containment moat, what about the outside of the, does the outside look any different?
We're actually getting Fable 3 viewers.
Wait, this is a joke because I came into a place in World of Warcraft.
Now I feel bad.
looks fable 3 ish like I play fable 3 now play now PepeW sorry it was funny it
was funny guys and then it was funny if you got baited you got it in it was
funny. Can you tell me around? I was baited. Dude, wait, do you work at Tim your on? Oh
Oh my gosh, this looks amazing.
Dude, the lighting looks so sick.
Yes, and now I'm gonna quit.
Oh.
My bad.
Hey, Madden was good this year though.
Wait, are you that guy that messaged me one time like five years ago?
Somebody messaged me while I was in Tempest Keep five years ago?
I was like trolling general chat.
Somebody messaged me and they're like, hey, I work at Tiburon and I just want to let you
know like we love the streams and it's super cool seeing somebody in the Madden who's
also into WoW.
How do you remember that?
I don't know, maybe I want this, like I don't know.
Idiot, use your superpower.
Tib, you're on this dick.
Okay.
Oh my God, this looks so good.
Dude, the lighting looks incredible.
No, it's too bad I can't volume fog zero.
All right, so we're back here.
Does it even look like classic wow?
I mean, it's cataclysm textures, which weren't, wasn't cataclysm the first time that they
kind of improve the texture quality.
Normally there's a war going on here.
Dude, you know what's the funniest part about this is that there's a gate here
that nobody can get through. All right, it's impossible to get through this gate. You see this?
It stands tall.
Unless you go right here
This gate is helpless
Music controller
Hey, what about that is that in cataclysm is all that in cataclysm
Wait, there's a fishing?
I think it is just straight copy paste from retail at this point.
Dude, do the sound, do the sound, scared the hell out of me dude.
Dude, I got stuff scared, what the hell?
Dude, that's...
and that's-
Oh my- dude, why would I give a horror game?
Dude, that scared the hell out of me.
What?
That scared me so much, dude.
Check combat log.
Medicing, Ravager, Ed, Shrek, who the hell is Ed?
It didn't even hit me that hard.
Dude, that scared the hell out of me.
That was terrifying.
Blizzard oh my gosh
Wait wait wait graveyard graveyard where's the graveyard where's the graveyard oh
Kiss my ass brother what hello
Brick!
So there is something they don't want us to see.
I don't want to watch the clip dude.
Dude, dude, I'm doing that growl scared the hell out of me.
All my, all my guards were down, dude, all of them.
I do not want to watch this, man.
I think it is just straight copy paste from retail at this point.
Dude, you heard the spell fizzle?
Dude, I tried to bubble and you heard me like,
I tried to control it, I tried to bubble.
Dude, dude, I I'm telling you to my my heart. Oh my gosh
Dude
That was so funny.
Dude, I got, got so bad.
Oh my gosh, I got got so good how the hell am I gonna get back
The swim, you get to eat my sharks.
this is so cinematic with action cam.
Dude, I hope machinima comes back, like people making machinima.
It takes so much time and effort, and it's like kind of not worth it, which sucks.
That's what people, that's what people don't do it.
It's too expensive.
What is this island?
Don't worry, I can do it with my boy Claude.
Oh.
Oh, my fatigue, my fatigue.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, is that Gilneas?
Wait, hold on! So from this island, you can see Gilneas.
the
Wait, what the heck? There's a night out wisp?
So I wonder if retail cataclysm... I wonder if Gilneas, cataclysm, Gilneas.
Is this retail Gilneas or Cataclysm Guild? It's the same thing, I bet. I bet they haven't
touched it. So I wonder if this is just gonna be a
straight copy-paste of Cataclysm Gilneas as a placeholder, and then maybe they
go in and they change stuff. I mean the fact that it's even in is
very cool. But you know what, I bet. It was only ever used as the starter zone, you never
go back to it really oh wait this does look like the retail battleground wait
this part is that it actually is the retail battleground isn't it
Oh, you've finished retaking in the war with them, dude spoilers.
I wonder what happens if I fall inside the water.
Ruins of Gilneas.
I
Ran's games tied what?
Wait, so they just had, I just got marked by some wargans.
I think, I bet this turns into a raid.
I think a Gilneas raid would make sense.
A Gilneas raid would be sick.
Because in retail, it's like, oh, the Morgan
are getting cured or whatever, kind of.
You think only a rate of real wasted is known really I think I think lore wise it
would make sense. It's funny because Gil-Naz then kind of becomes like what
what Hydral is and in DBC you know. I mean they could make this into an
instance. Dude, the Morgan scared the hell out of me, dude. In this timeline, Morgan's
wouldn't have had their break out but what do you mean
cuz like cuz cuz all the stuff and in more craft is still the same you know I
I think like is there something I'm missing
I mean I think is that all the sea
The big event that caused the population that caused so many to get affected in the Alliance
would be different now.
Oh, to be aligned with the Alliance, maybe.
I think I see what you're saying.
But I mean, the Worgen, like all the Worgen stuff still happened in Warcraft.
Chad, do you think they're gonna let me go?
Can I get free passage and no spike strips?
Free passage and no spike strips.
Those are my demands.
It demands.
Is it the way?
Should I jump in the water?
Is that Bastard Suzy? They have a 13 month man.
No, it's not pre Warcraft 3.
Oh!
Okay, I try to bubble it, I don't need to bubble.
Dude, these stream sniping blizzards!
Dude, hey,
uh, uh,
wha-
Hey, why am I getting the stream snapped by Blizzard?
If you bubbly remove it, I try to bubble it, I press it immediately.
have I seen too much chat.
The warrior outbreak doesn't reach the city until the devil ensures the gate cataclysm.
This is pre-outbreak.
Though a quest is over and as you put down Stinkley Villager, Starr goes out of the gates.
Yes.
I did that quest actually.
Gilneas is now for now quarantined hiding behind their walls isolated but before the
fall.
Oh!
I see then.
So, Gilneas is safe.
Right now, Gilneas has no wargin' in it.
Wait, hold on.
Dude, this is so sick.
Think about this.
There are Worgen right outside the gate, they might have them inside too.
Maybe, or the gate is completely shut off and there's no Worgen.
But there's Worgen now that we can see.
If they spawn there, Dev is spawning elites on your head.
I think if there's invisible worgen there to spawn and kill you, if you're traveling there,
why would there be worgen?
Hmm.
I think these are the kill zones.
Well maybe they already are infected.
Cinema.
What are you doing?
I'm in Gilneas.
23 hours, four more minutes left to collect the forever badge.
There you go, dude
Yeah, we have drops on kick too
Through its tammathons line by the last end go back to fable 3 please dude
Well, this is pretty cool.
I need to do the Varigan's Fist quest on this Paladin, too.
I gotta get the Alliance and the Undead Paladin set.
Wait!
Hold on!
Oh wait, this is where it was.
I can play on this room today.
I'm gonna play a Nemo at some point.
I have a- I have a sponsor that I gotta do in a little bit.
Chinese Perception re-died.
That's a good point.
Oh, wait, I'm stunned!
Being hunted, you're being hunted, you probably shouldn't be here.
He stunned me while I was bubble up.
Why did Palin's get nerfed?
Dude, I got freaking Warwick ulted.
I'm reporting.
Oh my gosh.
Imagine we came here with 40 people.
They can't stop all of us.
Oh my gosh.
The thing is, we need to get in there and get summoned.
We need to get in there and get summoned.
Otherwise, we're going to have to res-run.
Because this guy was saying that the people that got in here
said it took them forever to get in here res-running.
Pfft.
It's important to add what I kind of did.
That's things should never have been allowed in another Fable 3 drop.
He only logged in on the Fable 3 category for 20 minutes today, only to run a giveaway
for wow.
He never might be able to read and ended the giveaway yet to follow and type in his
And of course, after the 20 minute giveaway counter was up, he went on the wow category.
The cheapest trick.
The cheapest of tactics to grant more followers whilst baiting the fabled 3 community who
simply want the skin.
dude this looks incredible dude the sun sets over Gilneas oh my at
It looks like Disneyland.
The heck?
Oh
My gosh
Dude, that looked amazing.
Oh my gosh.
Dude, we just saw the sunset over Gilneas in real time.
Oh, it's come back up somehow.
What the frick?
It's come back up the same way.
And the tree just...
Okay, clearly this area has some work to do
and they were never intended to be here.
Dude, this is amazing.
Sun just took a power nap.
Yeah, true.
Dude.
That is.
That is my mouse go
Yeah, yeah, I love following 7j
I'm
That's in? Oh, frick.
Chad, people used to live here. They all died after Sephiroth destroyed the reactor.
He has the nibble behind music.
I will play I do I can't wait to play bomb antsy man. It's just I
Will play rebirth I will play rebirth and I will play the remake or the revelation
Wait, hold on
Hey, headbomb is off
Why is it head bombing?
Why is it head bombing off you mother bitch?
Didn't play, I played remake, I played remake, I didn't play rebirth.
I've just been too busy to play it forever.
Welcome to Gilneas Chat.
tomorrow night. I should do a replay of Remake with mods. Wait, that could be fun. Should
I do like a replay of Remake with mods? Like just a bunch of mods to make it like a super
fast playthrough or something.
He's another good one.
we looking at so we got into gilneas
so gilneas is in the game
for uh...
but there's uh... these
gentlemen here
that seem to be spawn camping me
to uh... self-level sixty three elite warren
keep spawning on me and killing me
so uh...
Did you know what, I really should go around and explore a little bit more, shouldn't I,
general. Yeah, well.
It's the church cinema, but I guess this is the same one from Cataclysm.
Still though it's it's cool that they were able to port it into the game they were able
to mash the vanilla world like other like the map from other expansions into vanilla
That is so cool.
Hmm.
Yeah, that's a stupid Fort Condor music, yeah.
I mean, I think we're done here in Gilneas, yeah?
He's getting by so all the night?
Yeah, dude.
Yeah, dude, I'll do, I love Final Fantasy VII, man.
It's so good.
Dude, coming, the fact that we showed up here
at Sunset was incredible.
Nice to get the cinematic camera angle.
Welcome to the action cam.
This is actually a retail thing.
It's kind of sick, isn't it?
This is like the one thing from the retail client I always wanted to have.
It's a little bit janky, but it's cool.
Well, gentlemen.
Oh!
What?
Why is it walking?
Okay.
The wargainer everywhere!
I'm...
I'm...
Okay, I'm getting trolled.
I'm getting trolled so hard.
Menacing rapture, Fuma and Angels.
Okay, Fuma, Angels.
Hey, hey, whoever you two are.
Alright.
Kiss my ass.
Are you serious, dude?
Are you serious?
Worgen Team Six.
Ed the Shred sends his regards.
Well, that's it for Gil-Naz.
Damn.
I didn't think the Morgan would be in the water.
I was just going to try and swim out of there.
Need help?
I supply only the finest goods.
Yeah, I gotta, I gotta, we gotta get that done another time.
We gotta get, we gotta get, here's the thing, we can't run it, we have to get summoned in
there.
If we summon a, I wonder if we summon a whole raid of people in there.
There's no way the Worgen can stop us all at once, can they?
Maybe we do that tomorrow.
Those bells they can't hear.
Hmm.
I'm gonna be honest, dude, some of the exploration stuff?
Maybe, maybe we should do more of that.
Maybe we'll do a little bit more
of this fun exploration stuff.
Yeah.
Well, we gotta find our ways.
We gotta find our ways.
Dude, this cliff is,
is a fishing. The first time got me so good. The first time got me crazy man. I think it
It is just straight copy-paste from retail at this point.
Hold on.
Crazy that it does that no signal thing for a second.
I think it is just straight copy paste from retail at this point.
I'm scared.
the
her
her
her
her
her
her
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The burger king
It's a top-short on YouTube
You get the most scared as I do I don't know I know why I'm so jumpy man I
Did I just get like a really like I
I get really like just tonal vision like and invested immersed into something and
it's like when I get knocked out of it it's like a lot hair care routine go
shampoo I use it I use it's a 10 shampoo
Okay, so we have zero deaths, by the way, on this character.
Level 17 Warrior.
Now, it took me 17 levels to find out that I probably shouldn't Horog strike unless
I want a rage dump.
My goal is to make it to level 20 without dying.
Nine raptor heads.
Have any guys played this game on emo by the way?
On what?
On emo.
On guard.
I
Be hilarious if the working took you out again now, okay chat the working are not gonna fall me the parents hopefully
You guys super scared in this clip in the previous by classic
Push my fingers into my
if you watch on kick rumble or or on on twitter on x it keeps the music on the
VOD twitch does not keep the music on the VOD so inadvertently it doesn't keep
the music in the clips and on YouTube it has a completely separate soundtrack
If there's too many people in this channel you cancel, uh, so, so, no, we did, uh, we
did the Makaraw the same way.
So here's auto-attacking.
I want to paint it black.
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
And I want to paint it black.
Chad, do you have a good singing?
Did you go arms?
Yeah, I'm... I got big arms.
I wish I would get dodged more, though.
As a fan I've been avoiding beta to get full experience watching streamers machining should
I cave absolutely you should do whatever you want to do I mean you can still get the full
experience while playing beta you just gotta you just gotta you know what I always say
You gotta do what it do. That's how it works. Just do whatever I do.
You were playing Maple Story Classic because I was a really Maple Story guy.
Who was him? Somebody was a big Maple Story guy. I'm trying to remember.
Close off the fuel control valve, okay.
Oh my gosh, dude, overpower hits so hard.
I got some sunders up and just dropped the big overpower.
That was crazy.
I just gotta hope I get one dodge.
I shut up the controller, wait did I not shut it off?
Oh, there's another one.
It's not gonna be a turn, it's my tournament.
Guys, it is my tournament.
I'm hosting the tournament, it is my tournament.
So no, I won't be.
Oh
It will not be a frickin van, it's not real.
I was determined to go in the ass, that would be cool.
Kill Tinker or Sniggles in the building.
Play palins when I get the drop drew
We'll be able to watch a main game, probably not.
Cool.
of
I've been silent for far too long.
I'm still in combat.
Oh, I'm not in combat, I'm in defensive stance, I get charged.
Engineers hammer.
Got your engineers hammer right here, buddy.
Wait, the welding shield looks sick.
Return the sound flange to sputter valve.
I mean, I'm an alliance guy.
Dude, I feel like...
I say it goes Sword and Shield and Revenge Spam,
but I feel like the two-handed Rage-Gen
is way better than the dagger at least.
Is it not?
Yeah, I don't know, man.
I'm feeling like...
Hmm...
Whatever.
You know what I'm actually going to need to help with?
I really am going to need to help with the resources on all these characters to test the professions.
And go double like no gathering and just up like mining engineering skinning
So next leather working
Enchanting Taylor like I need to I need to get all these 150 and I just on time to go like get everything
No, there's no other 20 raids
Gather for me my minions. I have to test everything. I need your help
You need the food?
How am I supposed to eat food in planes max at the same time?
Please explain that to me.
Double cap is 20 for two weeks.
Okay, I'm starting to fight same level mobs.
I
Get the ignition key and bring it to whistle crank
I
Was the level Tony ballad in maybe maybe just questing for gold or something
Oh, please?
Alright, thanks man.
Frickin' jackass.
It's okay, I'm like that guy from Billy Masson that writes his name.
You just made the biggest mistake of your life.
Instead of shitty thing to do, to get the tag on something and not invite somebody to group,
and then to say something and slash say about it.
Supervisor leg whistle
Okay, that guy's just stupid.
I invited him.
Dude, I'm so broke on this character now.
Okay, has anybody found out what the point of these books are you pick up
It's a sawed thing it's really nice neck and ring
I
I don't know what to do with it.
Hell, some kind of welcome stream.
of stamina.
I'm not running around. I'm gonna play an emote for a couple hours tonight. I have a sponsor
Dude, it's crazy how strong Demo Shout is, man.
I was like, when you really realize how strong it is, it's like, wait a second, it's kind
of...
There's down Broncos.
Wait, what's the score?
Is it winning?
There's no Broncos. Wait, what's the score?
Is it winning?
of
the line but on
Particularly the one that's still on Galvan Shred on the way out to Spuddle Valve.
Uh, should I do this quest?
That was very- I mean, Wario's pretty good, man.
I gotta understand what the issue is, but...
Uh...
Okay, so you can't charge away if you charge away like he stays
Hello, why are you going that way? Don't go that way. Why are you going that way? You're walking in the- okay.
Oh, yeah, big overpower.
of
Yeah, very funny.
Still in combat?
Is this guy? Am I in combat with this guy?
Just trying to charge it's bad. I'm just straight arms
Dude get in the big over back where I stick
Yeah, you needed you needed you everything by that rule set afian every single thing on that rule set
There's the stolen shredder off brick
Demonshot, Thunder Clap, Horse Dump, Miss!
That's like, we're out of the woods, eh, wonder what this does.
Okay, what is he doing?
Where is he going?
You know what's funny? I've never actually done this quest.
How do I skip?
Don't forget that on my now
That was a close one adventure co-emissionary. Well, let's get going wait
What if why was he talking to the dead mob? Oh, okay
Never the same as Colt's sabotage.
Am I done? That finish the quest?
As I freaking killed him 81 XP
is ever charger okay we're gonna go raptors parappa the raptor I didn't
even get the skyborne should I go for a skyborne characters that already yeah why
not everybody says I really should try that starter zone I will make a skyborne
character after I'm doing this warrior I'll do I'll do shaman I think I think
I'll do a dwarf shaman
The sky born that I'm gonna play will likely be a sky born druid, I think
Yeah, I was about him in my main
But I want to I want to like learn every last and like they're starting zones and stuff just that that's why I'm playing everything
Welcome to Swordsman Ladies and Lovelins, nice.
I
See there they have the tier one. Oh my lords are muted
Spants the number one rep paladin. Yeah, that here comes
Kepasa Connell Drop, see, see, see.
Everything's S-Fan TV, true.
Hello Blizzard, yeah, this is S-Fan Television.
I see you have this unoccupied city here and I was thinking it'd be great to rename
it the Little Alamo and open a sheriff's office here.
What's that?
One to two weeks?
Sounds good.
True.
True
Dude, I really gotta bring that cornwood man
Frick, I didn't realize I might enlarge me then
Should I play with Tim?
I'm down, I like to play with him on schedule
game the audacity honestly a bad a person and now I have wasted 31.333
second repeating of course of time that could have been for farming drops do
better for weird not bad not bad not bad
I came here for the fabled three drops but this jackass is only playing wow
this fan should never be allowed another fabled three drop well I just got
the cats I'm emerald immediately I came here for the fabled three drops but
This dude is only playing around.
Oh my gosh.
Dude, how much alerts was I behind?
Keep being a legend, bro.
Thank you, man.
In the middle there was a quest
for a guard beside a balloon, which
caused Wargan to exist in Ash and Vale and then Gus
Ward.
That quest never went anywhere until cataclysm.
Ariel summoned Wargan separately in SFK.
They could potentially link the quest chains
in forever and stop killing him.
Is that another streaming back shoulder?
It's scaring thousands of people, unbelievable.
I saw a big time streamer was playing Fable 3.
Finally, the love this section deserves
only to be duped by World of Warcraft.
Jumbly, I bet his Frick a fan contest is fake too.
I'm not sure we're gonna get out of here.
Asfand should never be allowed. Another VR chat drop. He logged on the VR chat category for 20 minutes today. Only to run a giveaway for Frick-a-fan. He never played VR chat or even goon. And to enter the giveaway, you had to goon.
It's crazy.
I'm like, well, thank you, Tony.
If you backed and play that you do dash, does that mean you got to stick it through?
I'm turbocharged a moist poo.
of
the
I
First of the corner all together to graduate wait really that was a good stream
I need this more than you I think
But you all look at these buddy There's not even a contract of they doing drops
like what?
Pause your whole life and be the guild, they're gonna only be you.
Snake vendor.
How you do it, man?
A flash of lightning.
Oh
Oh
spirits
I don't know what I'm doing here, but I'm just going to go back to my room and see what I can do.
I don't know what I'm doing here, but I'm just going to go back to my room and see what I can do.
I don't know why that girl names stupid names.
Yeah, I was just trying to get a stupid guild name.
number one rep counted. Yeah, that is true. Do you think it's personal preference or is
there a real advantage disadvantage in classic enhanced? I think it's a personal preference.
goes when? Wow! Dominarious, they have the new tier one, dude.
Damn, I'm so close to leveling. This is so unfortunate. I could have gotten the
of 18 training
Okay, there's some turn-ins
We're gonna play we're gonna play an emo soon. Yeah after I turn this question to play an emo
I think it'll be this Thursday.
What can I do?
Turn in press and we're gonna play an emo
You play PvE or PvP I'm a PvP player
It's my tournament. I'm it's my tournament. I'm hosting the tournament. It is my tournament
What where did this come from like why are so many people asking me like how are people
not aware. I'm so confused, like what is happening?
No, I don't mean asking them because I would be leveling a tournament character. That's what they're asking
You watch the announcement video for the tournament on my on my Twitter
It's going to be a year at once.
I mean we just been like if people come in and they're like rude and I'm not I feel it
There's there's a lot of people to come in just ask a cake like hey when are you playing that's totally fine
If you're gonna come in and they're like super rude about it, we just ban them and then they don't get their drops
So that's like, okay
But tons of people like hey when you're playing that's totally that's that's like that's like
That's not even reasonable. It's more than reasonable. That's like a normal behavior. Hey man
I'm just wondering when you're gonna be playing second no one be here. Yeah, just check the schedule
Now I don't the schedule for the week is not laid out. So it's like I'll update it as time goes on
But I'm gonna I'm gonna try and play early in the morning like Wednesday
Yeah, it just turns into this weird thing where people are always like
Like expect people to be combative and weird and not everybody has but
And most of them doing it like here's another thing and just it does make it worse when you are combative and weird and like just
when you're when when you say it's like gibberish it's like what are you even
saying it's like kind of crazy
okay so we are level 18 by the way man well I was hoping to hit level 20
tonight but I ended up getting stuck in a little bit exploration
We know we had two in a champion, almost 30, probably warrior.
That's like Paladin right now has their version of World Windaxe with the Varigan's Fist and
And uh, especially with, I mean specifically Wolfsbane is like crazy.
Yeah, I think we need more chat women quite women requests, don't we?
So here's what we're going to do.
I am going to do a giveaway at the end of the stream.
for now, we're gonna switch to a Nemo.
I don't like people who haven't played this game until that Azman was playing it too.
Give me one second.
We're going to make a different Vaude.
I'll do another beta giveaway at the end of the stream.
I'll do another beta giveaway at the end of the stream.
Give me one second.
Any gifters wide hard to any gifters wide hard to
I do not waitfulness. I do not. But yeah, I mean, it's just hard. There's so much going
on. We have football season. We have role play. We have wow. Everything is happening
at the same exact time this year. Yeah, it's just hard. There's so much going on. Give
me one second. I was hoping to hit level 20 on the hard core today. Unfortunately,
I did not.
I will hit it tomorrow.
We kind of got distracted by looking around
and checking out Gilneas, which was really cool.
Was it, Mujin?
I'm not done with stream, but what I am gonna do
is we're gonna get ready to switch to Enemo.
We are switching to Enemo now.
to the commander's.
Give me one second here.
Marcus Moriota.
Dude, the legend himself.
All right, YouTube chat.
Here's what we're going to do.
I'm going to go ahead and send you guys over in the other VOD.
I'm going to send you on a redirect to Animo.
Okay.
I will do a beta key giveaway. I will do a beta key giveaway soon
Yeah, of course that's a so last night or sorry tomorrow night, I'm gonna play rust tomorrow's Monday, right?
Maybe Wednesday morning. I will play a little bit of rust as well
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm trying to I'm trying to play in like all the time zones for a for a few hours
My goal is to play somewhere between like 15 to 20 hours for the duration of the event.
So yeah, there should be plenty of time.
Biggest thing I would recommend is just leave my stream open, leave the page open, and then
it hopefully just, you know, you'll just have it on.
So if you're not even here, then at least you'll get the drop.
Let's see. Yeah. No, it's been like a pretty frustrating thing just because everything got
announced at the same time. And, uh, I mean, dude, honestly, the stream room's like when
I'm playing rush is so fun. It's so, so fun. Um, but it's just the timing of everything,
you know, especially cause it's all, it's all like role play. Yeah. Don't mute the
player. You just have to leave it open. And that's what, that's the main thing
I got. Always like role play stuff. Uh, okay. So here we go. We're going to play
a little bit of a Nemo today, chat.
Yeah, I've been trying to keep up with it
and even still like, I mean, I've been streaming
like 14 plus hours a day,
just trying to get everything done.
It's been hard.
Ah, let's see.
Okay.
You're not from page. I don't know why I can't give so much attention to people trying to
act like they're cool. That's them. That's the meta of these days. You just kind of,
That's all the age of performation, performative 2026.
All right.
All right, what is power and council of specs, doesn't it?
So I wanted to talk about all the specs and it turned into, to just ret, you know, it just
turned into just like ret, mishmash everything.
Because I was, I was hoping to talk about, because like, I mean, I don't know if you
noticed during the talk where I was like, I was trying to talk about like brought
holy to yeah okay anyway here's what we're gonna do YouTube I'm gonna send you
guys over to the other VOD I'm gonna reset the stream real quick for YouTube
Okay, give me a second here.
I'm a problem.
Yeah, I mean, dude, like, yeah, I really didn't want to talk more about probably, especially
like, what do you think about my Holy Shield idea?
Yeah, I was trying to talk about the judgment stuff.
I was lit.
There was like, I don't know.
One, dude, and people are complaining about me talking the whole time, right?
People are always complaining about me talking the whole time.
You know, because I have like all these things that I want to talk about.
I think I'll, I'll see how the idea was awesome.
Yeah.
We'll see how, we'll see how life's verdict is.
But I'm also probably like, well, I mean, I, well,
whenever I would look at Savick dude, Savick's child is just, well,
cause it's also a lot of like Savick says more retail viewers than I do.
So it's like a lot of people that like, there's a lot of like animosity.
because it's like Espeen's a classic guy.
It's just the nature of it.
It's lame, but it's just the nature of it.
I mean, Savics was backing me up though,
which I mean, obviously like,
it's the appropriate thing to do.
Like if you guys were,
if you guys were being rude to Savics or something,
for example, like you guys know I wouldn't,
I wouldn't put up with it.
Yeah, what's up sale?
Long time to see man.
I'm really so nice.
What's your overall thoughts on the email?
Well, let me tell you.
I will find out tonight.
I'm having a little bit of a PC deal going on right now.
A little bit of PC issue.
No, PC, PC, PC, PC, PC.
No, I don't, I don't, I have asthma, I don't smoke.
Let's see.
Expand and soon to him soon to him.
All right, this is good to go.
It's good to go.
It's good to go.
It's good to go.
It's good to go.
I'm going to turn it off.
It is getting a little bit beat up though.
It's okay.
I'll take the used one.
Are we good here?
All right, give me one second.
We're going to go ahead and start an email, OK?
Give me one second.
I'm, oh my frick, I forgot I got a, hold on.
I
Hello
Are you the dude who does the voiceovers for your wife?
That is I.
Yeah, that is I.
Oh, wait, no!
I know who you're talking about.
That's not me.
I thought you were trolling at first.
And I was like, wait, no, yeah, yeah.
They're great though.
Hey, Shady Grove, bye.
You don't get your drops anymore.
Good one.
The
tournament is my tournament.
I am hosting the tournament.
It's me and tips out putting on the tournament
You like jump out absolutely all right
Okay, so.
Caster, we kind of already have figured out actually.
Yeah, it's going to be me.
Me and Zarya are going to be hosting.
Yeah, it'll be level 30 cap.
Okay, guys, let's focus on an emo.
So chat time to play some an emo today.
Yeah, let's play some an emo.
uh... i think it's
yet everything about this game being
uh... being a lot of fun
so i got offered a sponsor for it we're doing the sponsor
it's a uh... it's a free-to-play creature catcher type game
yes i get creature catcher
uh... console pc
uh... mobile
online yards
Yeah, it was really good of them. Yeah, it was. It was a game. Okay, show.
Uh, you should be running now.
Is this
is the terms you're live?
Oh, it's not. Hold on.
I forgot.
YouTube is kind of weird.
Okay, so here is what's going on today chat.
We're doing a sponsor for Animo.
So yay, my heart's in the chat for Animo.
Again, big sponsor, Yo, what's up, friends and what's up, everybody.
It is a creature catcher type game, free to play, open world.
Yeah, free to play, open world creature catcher type game.
And it is like a, it is on console, it was on PC, it's on mobile, now, actually, yeah,
here in September.
So, they were at Gamescom, they've been all around, and they've been doing all kinds of
stuff.
There's been a lot of marketing, a lot of hype around in Emo, and I am getting her
outloaded.
Click.
Yeah, so this is my first time checking it out.
Like I said, a lot of people have been talking about it.
It is a creature catcher type game and yeah.
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Anonymous leave the five gift in
All right
I
Okay
It's the audio because the first one it's classic it's classic big big first load
All right
All right, let me do this
Soda?
That's gonna be so funny.
I'm a man.
She's your friend.
I'm a man.
I'm a man.
I'm a man.
I am.
Choose your appearance.
Wait, face blend?
You can make your own face wait, how close can I get to my actual on face?
This game is called Anemo, it's a creature catcher game.
Yeah, there's like a, there's a lot of hype behind this game people were saying it's really good.
So I got offered a sponsor for it and I was like, yeah, I'm down, let's try it.
Oh, customize, there it is. There it is, okay.
Hawn, come on, let's see, huge head, uh let's, I should just make everything as big as possible.
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Can em' bald maybe
Oh, okay.
Eyes.
Click up, wait you, wait what?
You okay?
Hold on.
You can import your own photo.
Should I finish this first?
Uh, dude, this looks terrifying.
Dude, you're out of your place, game.
Okay, hold on. Alright, I'm done with this. Uh, let's do import.
Import face data. Okay, hold on. Let's see.
Oh, no, this is gonna be funny.
Alright, enter character face code, scan an image containing a QR code, but how does that
work?
How do you do it, chat?
I spend imports, maps, examinations, invisibility.
Use your phone.
by the way, if you guys could do me a favor, please do me a favor and click that link in
in chat right now. Can we go ahead and pin that to the top?
There we go. It works.
Animo.onelink.me.
Click it on these links whenever I do a sponsor.
It's a...
So what that is is it's a link that just shows
like how many people clicked on it,
whenever I'm doing sponsors and stuff.
It's super important for me to have you guys
click on that link because it shows
that I'm basically doing my job.
Whenever I do a sponsor, it's like,
It's the game's job to sell the game.
It's my job to give it a fair shot
and like just show the game off, showcase the game.
So you don't have to buy anything,
you don't have to do anything that,
if you wanna buy something great,
if not, that's fine too, whatever it is, right?
Doesn't matter to me.
But if you guys can click those links,
that helps me whenever I do sponsors,
show that I'm doing my job
and I'm shouting at the game and I'm doing all this stuff
and as you guys know,
doing sponsors like this is how I'm able to pay for
and do all the different, very fun, cool, big events,
things like BlizzCon, things like this tournament
that's gonna be happening, this dueling tournament and stuff,
like all that kind of stuff is, that comes from somewhere,
right?
So please, please, please do me a favor whenever I'm doing
these sponsors and stuff, please support
and just click that link, you know?
In the meantime, how to get face data code for a Nemo?
How to import, import picture of myself to you.
Is that how it works?
I think that's how face code works.
Oh, that's not how it works.
Thank you.
Yeah, it's all good, Liam.
believe. I use the Elgato, raise the Corsair Gallium. Thank you guys for clicking that link.
Great seeing you guys on the close. Thanks dude. No, only one click, only one click.
Wait chat, do you guys, you guys said that you could, you can import your own face into the
game. Is that possible?
hell. Well, it says import, but like, I think it's import a face code from like a pre made
face. It looks just like you.
I mean, you get crazy looking at eyes, the heck?
Okay, um, we don't need any makeup
I
Don't want to be bald
Okay, whatever, um...
Have I got body type?
Oh, hell yeah.
Okay, um...
It's the length is measurements, length measurements, size, a big and tiny hands.
Wait, you have tiny hands?
They're gonna make a lot of cut.
I'm gonna be a big chicken legs chicken legs and chicken legs
Again.
I have a white shirt.
Okay, uh, I'm fricking handset his collar. Oh, whatever. Fine. He's uh, he needs to get some sun. That's for sure
Idol too idle a haven for an emo
Oh, no.
Ah, Vinnie, you got too close.
You scared them off.
Biggest shows this is the optimal distance for the hairy behavior.
That must be from when we were up there, right?
Idol is completely different.
Next time, we zoom in for close-ups.
Hey there, I'm the special observer from the Pilar's Institute Expedition Team.
Look, the real continent of idle is far more incredible than the whole escape.
Benny, up in the tree at 10 o'clock.
Zoom in.
Understood.
Celestesis, they say anyone who spots one gets good luck for life.
These little guys are super good at climbing and flying.
I hope I can catch a Celestesis today and let it take me flying.
He does kind of look like a villain.
That's right.
I'll soon have my own Nemo too.
Shhh!
The little ember pup ahead is asleep.
100% catch rate.
Talk about good luck.
But I still don't have an antipod.
Can I catch it?
Whoa!
Well done!
Told you, some Nemo are kinda camera shy.
Nicole, you're finally back.
Thanks for waiting. Your gear's been set up.
Once activated, you can start your first catch.
I'm gonna catch that fiery ember pup first.
The best is still to come.
It looks so funny.
His head's so big it was covered in a thing.
No.
Chat, what's his name?
I
Perfect man, yes
His name's rusty
His name will be
I like that okay never mind
And
Everything seems fine
Also, it feels a little warm somehow
But his legs, I give him chicken legs
Nicole
I
Don't poke a child well, I made his face good
My bad.
Did it just fall asleep?
Is it narcoleptic?
Good timing.
Take out an antipod and try to catch it.
You look so troll.
Catch mode.
Found.
I think it's time for your ember pup to shine.
Its fire type ability is perfect for dealing with obstacles like this.
I'm commanding an enema to move and the enema will use the unique ability, so she's igniting vines and generating ice wall to clear obstacles for her to proceed.
Okay, I command you to attack.
I'm trying to make him attack her.
I'm trying to make him attack her.
I don't even feel it's pretty good actually.
I'm alive with Animo.
Hi, goodnight, Wapertag.
Well, Starfall Valley's terrain is very special.
There are water pools, grassland, and giant trees.
At least three Animo families call it home.
Oh, didn't you just say you wanted to gather more data?
Well, now's your chance. Try catching one of each of the Anemo types here.
Good idea. I'll start now.
If you run out of any pods or have any other issues, just call me.
Chat, which character do you think is more human looking?
Me or her?
I made my guy look so stupid the animal the ember pup
Okay, let's see.
Starine?
Okay.
Okay
Catch mode are through to lock pass an anapod
Catch mood
Well, I just got another one I got two of them. I gotta I gotta orange and uh, and a green one
Yes, you're all mine
I have an army of hummins!
day
As for the vines, they must be the work of a grass type of Nemo. They like tangling things up in them
Remember how we got in here?
to light them up
Just staring
Okay
Celestus
Sick. Try catching a Skibby. Is that a Skibby? Is that a Celestus? But I should, am I wasting?
Your character looks like he licks windows to tell them to turn.
Okay, let's go catch a skippy right here.
fall damage?
What's he doing on the water?
What is that?
Dude, I have so many, I have so many, uh, an email already.
Uh, let's rest.
It's still early. The outpost probably isn't ready yet.
Want to explore more or come rest for a bit?
Let's rest.
Come over. Let's sit for a while.
Speaking of which, do you know the purpose of this research expedition?
It's for a wondrous phenomenon called the Prismana Flow.
They say it's the most amazing spectacle in the whole world.
Not to mention that a Nemo exposed to Prismana can transform in unbelievable ways.
But no one knows where it comes from, or why it causes a Nemo to transform at all.
The truth is, no one even knows how an evil first appeared in this world.
I know it's just incredible.
And incredibly mysterious.
Even the Idyllians probably don't fully understand this world.
I don't know what to do with it.
I don't know what to do with it.
How an email came to be elemental forces to me and I'm sure
You've seen the news reports about Polaris badges, right? They give them out to people who made major research breakthroughs
Isn't the team awarding a special badge this time a 50th expedition badge for members who've never missed a single trip, right?
I made a space like that dude.
Benny, where are you going? Hey, don't run. Get back here.
Okay. Count my data. Hey.
The Japanese voice option, I believe so.
Should I turn on Japanese voice for one cutscene?
What's happening wait, I'm getting absorbed
Oh my butt
You got inducted
No, no, no, I lost Benny and Nicole
Is this place
You lost me for the blessings of the sun and moon
forward
Who said that?
Akama!
Akama, your duplicity.
I'm gonna miss doing that while you're at it's over.
Um, come on, uh, language, okay, there are languages.
Wow, dude, the localization is crazy, they all languages.
Oh, crap.
Um, guys?
No, I got the worst sheet matches.
This thing looks pretty impressive.
Now I can't change it back. Hold on.
Okay, that's okay. There we go.
I'm going to go forward.
The anime and the people, and the town.
How should I put it, the anime is more delicate than the people.
Let's see if China is next.
We're gonna say to me...
Holy!
What?
They had a brother.
Brother
He is Jay Lanimo
I just think I should throw the Nebo
Uh, don't call me cute. I'm something really majestic. Uh, I did but they're giving me a
You look very brave.
You will have more courage in my blessing.
A smart and calm person like you
will be able to help you think more clearly.
Uh, Sun's Radiance or Moon's Glow?
Let's do, we gotta go with the freaking, the, the sun.
I think there's more.
Oh no, I can't really remember.
All I know is we've been asleep here for a long time.
Oh, I got separated from my friend.
I've been talking about much help to me. Okay.
Jack wagon.
Jellyfish. She said jellyfish.
Okay, next language, next language, ready?
We did English, Chinese, Japanese, Korean.
Oh, frick!
Hey, that thing's Giga!
You know what's funny?
I've heard so much Korean at this point in my life.
I don't know what any of the words mean but I know what they're saying whenever they're
just saying whatever they're saying.
I don't know what you're saying.
I know what the words mean to her but I know what you're saying.
What the heck? Where did she come from?
It's like they look all sick and they look up at my character and she's just stupid.
Sick.
Then the QTE first bump.
Oh
This is the last place there
Oh wait what you can control it okay wait this is so cool okay wait so then it turns
like, wait hold on, this is sick.
He's staggerous, look at that, he's got a stagger bar.
Damage boost.
Break.
Pound.
And then you can transform L1R1.
Dude, so it's like full on combat mode, like you take over the animal.
I'm getting sane
You guys looking at animals
I think they just out.
Wait, so then they get like-
Wait.
The combined might of Helian Lunar finally drained the mysterious 20-sided ancestor prism of its power.
I need to- I need to change back to English though.
I don't get it, Chris. That's a new one.
Dude, I'm famous!
I'm looking forward to it.
The detective team is going to return to the academy.
Is that a click off?
This is the principal.
All of the players
Coldemate Talon astra scientific expedition is being led by the institute
That's a good point.
Oh, thank you.
It's okay.
I'm sorry, but...
What happened to Luna-san?
If you don't mind, Lita,
I have one more wish.
Unfortunately,
I've already broken the wall.
But,
you should go to Adelo again
and find your partner.
Of course.
Then,
So, I'm going to invite you formally.
I'm having an incident where I'd like to formally extend an invitation to you.
On behalf of the institute, an invitation to me.
In the first investigation, you showed amazing talent.
You also showed great skills, not only in terms of many animals, but also in terms of drawing and combat.
The best so far was in the cutscene when it like panned over to his face and really close
up was super funny.
Oh, should I join the Institute? What do you guys think?
No.
Let's start as a peaceful trip in Idol. Suddenly took a drastic turn after a series of ups and downs.
Oh, I...
It's in beep in Korean.
It's in beep in Korean.
Uh, the upgraded Bini number nine has a stronger detection teacher when it sends something important
nearby will alert you right away.
Do the upgrade from MAMBO number five.
There's no problem with the data.
Look at it.
Oh, really?
You made it.
Do that playthrough was so crazy.
Years ago.
That was so fun.
Maybe I'll do that someday.
I don't know. Let's see.
Let's go.
Let's go to the library.
Okay.
You're so popular right now.
You're so popular right now.
Was that when you first thought I think it was when you first subjugated I think I think it was when you I was like in one of the buildings
It was like like a light brown beige
And one of the like like the third or fourth world I think
The same world where you end up going to that one that one person's house and like they murdered everybody I
I think that was that was when you first up we are so back getting married on Friday. Yes
That was when I first subbed time flies dude. That's crazy
That is awesome. Congrats, dude. Thank you for the 28 months which prime dude. That is awesome. Congrats. I
Don't know how I randomly remember stuff like that by the way. I like
Like I don't know where I can randomly remember whenever it's so it's just it's completely random
There's no there's no rhyme reason or rhythm to any of it
But just I just ran on a mission things like that
Remember where you were again somebody says sometimes stuff like that just happens to me
That played there was amazing. Yeah, it really was it was so good
I mean even like I saw that video of me and the Chinese Dairy Queen I
I saw the video of me and the Chinese Dairy Queen and I could literally find exactly in the VOD where I was
Like eight months ago. I don't know. I don't know how it's just like it's really random
How I can just remember like certain certain really specific details and then other things I'm like, huh, huh?
We don't remember blizzard bathroom, okay, I'll grab back
I should have aimed good like this.
Chat, by the way, again, this is sponsored for an Evo, so hard as a chat for the big
sponsor for an Evo.
Yes, yes, yes.
Yes, yes, yes. Thank you.
But yeah, it's a creature catcher game.
It's free to play and it's out now.
I'm like console, PC, mobile.
Yeah, very good. A lot of people are talking about this game.
They've been all over the place. They were at Gamescom.
Yeah, so a lot of hype for this game.
So you have the creature catcher aspect to it
and then also you have the combat.
Yeah, free to play.
Pretty cool. So open world RPG type game.
Technically it launched I think, I think it was two weeks ago.
Was it September 16th?
It's a great game. Yeah, dude, a lot of people really like it.
There's been a lot of hype for it.
So, but yeah, if you guys, do you guys have the pin comment?
Can you guys see the pin comment?
It should be like a there's a redeem code and you can get like some in-game items and stuff too if you guys check out the pin comment
Yeah, you can play on your phone and you can even get a
If you like link it to your email you can play across platform like like you can play on I'm pretty sure that's how it works
Can somebody come from that?
Where you can play on your your PC and then you can load it up on your phone and it's like shares the account
Yeah, it's pretty cool
Yeah, I'm gonna post this in, I need to have like chat, the chat bot set up in all the streams.
I don't.
Yeah, it's free to play, pretty cool, right?
Yeah, of course
Everyone's gonna have fun, 17 nice, yeah, kind of crazy
Okay, let's go back to English.
Just better, I think it's Instructor.
I'm going to be deviving this game now? Nice.
a real fighter protects rescues and still fights at full strength
so this loss only proves one thing i'm still nowhere near strong enough
is that really what it proves you were there you get it right isn't it just the worst
I
Said I'm fine with it. I like students with spirit. She didn't hear a word. I said
All right, thanks. Yeah, I mean I made a space. I never introduced myself
I'm leader the Polaris Institute's battle art instructor training students in an emo to fight is one. That's my mission
in it for you okay
twine with an emu and perceive the world through their perspective and fight
together.
I think I click off.
Oh, I think I accidentally disconnected my
controller for a second. Okay.
Okay, I'm twined with Scorch Owl.
Can I exit?
Yeah, the game is called Enemo.
free to play on Steam, PC, console, mobile. You can link your accounts. And if you guys
can do me a favor, just please click that link that I put in chat. If you guys can click
that link, like it's, it's, you don't have to buy anything or do, you know, whatever.
But if you guys just click the link, it goes a long way for me for, for these sponsors
and stuff. And it helps fund like all the events and all the other cool stuff
that we do, like stuff like BlizzCon or even like this big, this big dueling tournament
that I'm putting on with tips,
being able to like afford and pay for all that kind of stuff.
So I really appreciate that.
When you guys go like click those links.
There we go.
Okay, R2 to twine.
Dude, it takes two to tango.
This is the animal you'll be using
for your twining training, Squash out.
Wait these guys have beef with me wait do they look so mischievous look at them
Oh my gosh. Wait, this guy is sick.
While attacking targets that have elemental advantage over it, your attacks will deal increased HP damage and break damage.
Break dancing. The same applies with a Pathfinder. Oh, oh, oh, oh.
The humming and tucking.
Q light up, E.P.
Oh, oh, you can hustle by hitting X and square.
I shouldn't move my camera a little bit.
Let's see guys, and see what I'm looking at.
See that?
This guy, he's freaking, it's a Nemo, yeah, yeah, MGS Master, it's a Nemo, it's a creature
catcher type game, open world RPG creature catcher game, it's been getting a lot of
hype lately, but I got sponsored for it, they were at Gamescom, they've been like
all over the place, I've been doing a bunch of events.
But I just started the tutorial.
But it's been getting a whole, whole lot of hype.
Oh, okay, so I need to change my type of anemo
because it was a fire type on fire type.
So change the water, it's super effective.
My big water sword? Oh frick. Nice.
us tomorrow night. I never heard of it until the stream, really? Yeah, dude, people only
talked about this. They've been doing a lot of events and stuff like that. They have like
a big thing at Gamescom and everything. Yeah, pretty cool. Completed training. Show me
you got seriously you passed it that fast you're really something
it's gonna give them maybe piece of cake this was a custom trial standard
training is a lot harder so do you have any suggestions for the special trial
are there any rewards those who love battle the challenge itself is the
reward. That said, people who complete training do need more incentives. I'll discuss it with
Ling. Thanks for helping out. We'll stop here for today. I put together new hollow battle stages
here all the time. If you need training, come find me, but don't expect me to go easy on you.
Yeah, so it has like the creature catcher element, but then you can do a
called twining. So you twine with whatever your creature is and then you control them
in combat. And it turns into like an action combat game. And also you can make your character
look really stupid like this. I gave him chicken legs. And it's the hand and Buffy was saying
he looks like the guy from the hand on shoulder mean. Yeah, I think the fighting is the
The creature is pretty cool, like fighting as an emo.
Finish the institute tour and make your choice.
Yeah, Chad, if you could do me a favor,
Like I said earlier, just if you guys click that link, it goes a long way so that they
know that I'm doing my job and I'm shouting out the game.
Yeah, me too.
It's pretty good too.
Administration director.
Like I said, I'm talking to her, yeah.
I wanted to ask, but I'm rolling.
Principal Oswin asked us to come over. He said everything was ready for enrollment. Yes, I've been notified
Thank you guys, please verify your identity and access rights here verification complete as required
I will now ask a question on behalf of the Polaris Institute
Please answer carefully. Are you certain you wish to join the Polaris Institute?
I
I just want to live an ordinary life
Yeah, I just want to quit life
Since I won't be needing this strange polyhedron thing, I guess it's gonna let me do that
And so I handed the polyhedron to the Polaro first year
Every time she came back from idle she'd tell me all about what she'd found
Over time
Less and less I didn't think it was actually gonna let me do that
The fifth year my mysterious and email companion slipped away without a sound I
Never saw helium or Lunara again
And there was no news of them from the Polaris Institute either
Nicole's messages had gone silent too and that strange wonderous world
Faded from my life completely
10 years
15 years
Years
There's no way
The mysterious ruins dangerous battles everything all of it was like a dream
Strangely as I move closer to the end of my life
Dude I actually got the bad ending
That's great dude, I didn't think it was actually let me do that
So funny
Dude, that's so good
Dude that's so good and now I can't remember any of it wait what it changed my face back
Wait my face was a dream
You haven't answered the question yet
You're joining the Institute, right?
Say yes! Come on! Say it!
That's enough, Nicole. Let him think it over.
I've made up my mind. I'm joining the Polaris Institute.
Well then, here's the message the principal left for you while preparing your paperwork.
He asked me to relate if you choose to join.
Welcome!
The Polaris Institute will shine even brighter with you here.
Please place your terminal here.
Oh my gosh, that is so funny.
Dude, oh dear, yeah, the doing tournament isn't open, yeah it isn't open if you whiffy.
Huh! It feels different from before we set out!
Yes, the anemology department just added a hologram of rare Prismana animal in the institute's collection.
We shouldn't keep Dr. Lewis waiting.
Still, since we have time, a quick stop on the way shouldn't hurt!
Come on, a moment, please. There's one more thing. Take this.
This is... the Polaris Institute uniform?
This game is so meme-y. It's actually like-
Welcome.
I feel like this is actually such a- it's like such a good stream game because it's like very meme-y.
But it's like a weird way. I can't- I can't- I can't- it's like- I just hard for me to explain.
Come this way.
Yeah, I'm- it- it's pretty good content.
Yeah.
No, it's fun.
You've had it before, right?
Dr. Lewis is an instructor from the Institute's path-binding department.
He's the one supervising this expedition
Hi, dr. Lewis, I'm here to join the expedition team
No need to be so formal by now
I bet there isn't a single person in Astra who watches the news and doesn't know your name
Hmm. There's a 12 gig download on the war. Yeah, make sure you're on Wi-Fi. Yeah, that's a good point
is complete once confirmed you may officially join the expedition previously
you are only an observer but now you'll be joining as a full member for safety
purposes I'll need to confirm with you once more the real idle is nothing like
that safe little starter zone are you ready of course that's why I came here
no wonder Rita speaks so highly of you all right enough dog come with me to
transportation facility. We're heading to Idle.
Hold on, Willis. Heading out already?
Indeed, and right on schedule too. Is there something you need, Principal?
Don't worry, I'll be out of your hair in a moment. I'm only here to present a personal
gift to our newest student.
Oh! It's a patch case! You can keep all your badges in it!
Thank you, Principal. I'll earn more badges and fill up every slot.
What?
Huh?
There's already one in here.
Wait, this is...
The Polaris Institute's rarest and most exceptional honor.
Granted only to those who achieve truly invaluable accomplishments.
A symbol of glory and challenge.
The Starbound Journey badge.
I
Was that on your first badge for your adventure sick
Character
You can start man dream it first anywhere to close
badge recording achievements earned on your adventure they're important keeps
things worth featuring
I thought you were more composed than this I mean it's just a decoration right
doesn't have any special powers on classic duties and care about cosmetics
you just kids about the stats do my perceptive and neighbor friend to humans
rarity itself is a kind of power however badge check off break
in its rarity. After all, it is merely a personal gift from me. The honor and history behind it
can't be handed to anyone else. I understand, Principal. Thank you for your gift. I'll treasure it,
but from now on, I'll earn badges of my own. Ones that represent my own achievements. I'll fill
this case myself. Excellent. That's the best answer I could ask for. Do your best, young
Pathlighter.
Wait, don't close it yet.
I want to see it again.
All right, let's not waste any more time.
You can admire it later.
Now proceed to the transportation divide.
Send prepared a depart.
Any procedures?
Yeah, I mean, his leg's tiny.
We can have him jump off this.
Yeah.
I'm just invoiced.
Ling the Polaris Institute me administration director Ling she heard about your recent experience at the news and campus rumors and knows that you're about to join a new expedition team
She adds you as a friend on Mimo and tells you to come to her for help with any instant problems once you reach
Idol
Okay
this is the outpouring institute prepared for the expedition team.
It's still under construction. More facilities will be added in due course.
This is the research console. It analyzes data, records logs, and generates reports.
Data you upload will enrich the anti-molec enough doc. Try reporting once for yourself.
If you turn your, if you turn your, if you, if you turn at the right speed, you can,
you can do this.
It's kind of funny.
If you do it too fast, it doesn't work, if you do it at the right amount, it's too slow,
you do this.
But if it's like just the right speed, sick, coggers.
Yeah, this is very relaxing.
What are the... what does it say?
Upload your catch results right here.
Upload?
Stop all the downloading.
Perfect!
I got three goods.
Three goods and a perfect amount of commons.
Thank you Lazarus, thank you for the 2-1 dude.
You've obtained an enemo with high potential.
Congratulations.
Your research console can quickly assess the potential of an enemo you caught.
Enemo with higher potential typically possess superior abilities.
I can review this via enemo management.
Do the grass does look good function menu and Nemo management.
Oh, it's getting white.
Uh, Dr. Lewis.
So, it's like a creature catcher of a world RPG type of game.
and rare. It also carries a unique and mysterious power. When an emo are exposed
to the Prismana flow, they may gain special forms, even unique powers. Just
like my ego, an emo flan, of course. The Prismana form is the rarest of all. Keep
your eyes open while you're exploring idle. Discovering the many forms an
emo can take is half the fun. So, Dr. Lewis, can he join me on official
investigations now? Join you? Not yet. He's still new here and needs to
take things one step at a time to better understand this world.
Your first step into idle.
Yes, this simple task should suit you well.
Come with me.
Oh, gosh, really?
Frank, I actually just kind of went for a run.
No, I made my character look like this. Yeah, I made my character look silly like this.
I know, it's so good. Pin him on in.
and it flew past in a flash don't tell me you didn't see it it went that way a
large winged in limo no I haven't seen anything like that winged that the branch
did seem to give off an unusual fluctuation not long ago yeah that
giant dandelion in the distance it's the symbol of the veins in the secret
tree of idle it's beautiful isn't it get tomorrow night chrome on and I saw
And the wind just now intrudes that again
Almost like it was responding
I did it now. Did you mistake those flowers drifting from the branch for something else? No, it really wasn't an email
That's fancy number one rep out of over our head. Yeah, that is true. It was huge and oh nice
Gratseth over here. Hey, what's yeah, the classic one stuff has been it's been a lot of talking
You thought too, right? That huge thing that flew by
Why? It wasn't your imagination. I saw it!
Looks like we're the only ones who noticed.
Explaining it to the others would be a real hassle, so let's keep this between us for now.
We can search around the branch later, and maybe find some proof.
Yeah, you're right. First things first, let's get to that dandelion.
That's enough talk. Come this way. I'm handing out the next task.
Since you're so curious about the branch, this task is just right for you.
Head to the branch and earn its recognition.
I've done just what we were hoping for. Come on, let's get moving.
Uh, wait a second, Dr. Lewis.
I'm okay with going there, but how do I earn its recognition?
When you arrive there, touch it, and you'll understand.
However, the journey itself is part of the trial.
You'll have to fend for yourself.
I'm not trying to bend the rules here, but we're allowed to go down the road.
The face is so good
Yeah, I don't even know my mother could love this face
Let's just make this the thumbnail
Yeah, you make your own characters I just I just made them with them get them scary
water but you're fly hold on they mention I just didn't hear them what
Yeah, man, I should have.
Yeah, that's what Buffy was saying earlier.
I don't get back here
Wait, you just made me
So, if I R2, I twine, then I beat him up, then I quick-catch, and then I R2 to untwine.
Hey, cool
Oh look, look, the dash here.
Oh huge!
Wait, dude the mechanics are kind of, it's like a skill shot.
Wait, this is cool.
Wait, can I heal something?
Is that what that is?
Enemy level is 4-2 high.
me unlikely.
Okay, it's because it was grass on grass.
It wasn't doing any damage.
Now that Dr. Lewis has spoken, there is nothing I can do for you.
I'm familiar with this place, and I've got time. I'll go with you. There's a bloom up ahead. Come on
Press X10 to the map.
Yeah, I gotta, I gotta, I mean, I was kind of just like trying to figure out the mechanics
and I wasn't even looking at how much damage I was doing.
I was just like, these guys are not dying and I realized I was like, wait a second.
What am I doing?
Just by touching it, how does it work?
I don't really know.
I guess it has something to do with Idol's main network.
Let's go.
Once you see the quick look that and the most what's Luminamber.
That's a crystal form from overflowing bane energy you can find it anywhere on trees and clouds and water
Sometimes you need to use some special methods to get it to you. It's hard, but it's also really fun
It's time. We hit the jackpot catch that blessing Nemo, and it's yours
Well negative times negative is a positive sort of real
Wait, what the- Oh, never mind.
Wait, that's a sick-looking Nemo.
Bud claw.
This area is a blood claw habitat. They like to burrow underground and hide.
Try looking around. You might find a surprise.
Oh, I think there's something by the river. I'll head over and take a look. Come find me after, okay?
That lumen amber is just sitting in the river, and the water seems pretty deep.
Dude, if you have different anemo, like if you're swimming, you switch to one of your
other anemo that you have.
That's like good for that thing, like that, like, element.
So it's like, if you have an Ema, they can fly, you can fly.
If you have one, they can swim.
Wait a second, look at the water in this.
What the heck?
Oh, that looks sick.
Yeah, the book is really nice for this game.
The art style, everything.
I
Nice I got it first try nimby
can I can I run out of an emo uh like what are they called but what are the cute what
What did you say the cute ball there there?
Why is it wait? Why is it they're growing?
I mean, it's why would I then be before you can talk to me?
Wait what?
Wait if I have to twine with a nimby
How did I change my party?
Okay.
Can I use this right now?
I'm twined with a Nimbee.
Wait, what the heck?
You can just fly wherever you want.
Oh, it's not a sheep.
It's a Nimbus cloud, that's what it's called, Nimbee.
You're actually human, aren't you?
I saw you twiners now.
Aren't you human too?
I can't believe you saw through it.
Is there something off of my twining?
Oh well, as long as the Nimbis haven't noticed,
it's all good.
Oh, I didn't know that it's good that I learned the game mechanics though I mean just in general
Hi, my name is Lana. I'm a student from the Polaris instance in a mileage department. I
I'm currently studying Indie Ecology here in the Nimbus fields. My friends call me Shipee.
Hi Shipee.
You're a freshman. They'll let your seniors show you a neat little trick.
If you twine in an Emo from the right family, you'll be able to talk to them.
You can pick up all kinds of interesting info that way.
Oh right, there are quite a few cloud clusters around these fields.
They're hiding all kinds of little Nimbus secrets.
So why not go look around? Maybe I will.
chat by the way do me a favor and click that link pinned at the top of the chat
I posted in the YouTube chat a little while ago and kick chat a little while
ago as well if you guys can please do me a favor check out those links and that
link that is a link to that is a link to the game and get a code some it's a
redeem code you get some in-game items and stuff it's free to play it's free
to play open-world creature-catcher RPG game you can like twine with your
character you turn into your character and you it turns into like kind of
action RPG style it's pretty cool but yeah game just came out console PC and
mobile you can even link your account across all three so you don't lose your
progress if you want to play on mobile
Cluster of clouds and they're all just gone and the NIMBY illusions gone too
Does that golden thing have anything to do with it?
Golden NIMBY
But yeah, you guys should check it out.
But yeah, guys, um, but yeah, the game, the game is free to play.
You can play it on mobile.
You can play it on, uh, you can play it on mobile, you can play it on console, you
can play it on PC.
But yeah, there's been a whole lot of hype for this game and stuff, so they've been going
to a whole bunch of events and whatnot.
So we've seen them around.
We saw them at Gamescom and yeah.
But please do me a favor and just click that link.
You guys don't have to buy anything.
You guys don't have to pay for anything, whatever.
It's not my job to sell the game, but it's my job to show off the game.
So whenever I do sponsors and stuff like this, doing these sponsors is what
helps me pay for like the big events, like the big BlizzCon stuff that we did,
this this dueling tournament that tips and I are putting on so yeah please do
my favorite and just click that link so the sponsors know that I'm doing my
job and yeah so it really does go a long way I'm not as a lot so it was going to
know who I thank you brandy leo yeah how we had a good time with was gone
but kind of was so good this year was amazing I was completely exhausted but
But it was so good.
Yeah, I've been playing Classic Plus, I can nonstop.
But we got a pretty cool sponsor here, so.
How do I take an incredible egg?
What do I do with that egg?
Go to the branch, okay.
That's fair.
Yeah, people seem to really really like the game young John's up
I'm gonna post it again
Wait, oh, is that not posting in YouTube chat one second
I have something that's supposed to post in every chat, I just realized it's not posting
a YouTube chat.
I realize it's not posting a YouTube chat.
There you go.
Yeah, I don't know why that link wasn't working where I posted it earlier.
Also get that redeem code is a Nemo open world and you can get something in game.
Yeah I'm on my fourth level 20 right now in beta.
So I'm like I'm level 18 in the warrior.
I was planning on finishing tonight, but we got we we ended up going to Gilneas somehow which was kind of crazy
So yeah, we kind of we end up detouring a little bit tonight, but I'll finish and I'll get level 20
I'm trying to level 20 without dying on the warrior. I think we're pretty good though
Like I understand what the concerns are with warrior, but I don't think it's that bad
bad, but I didn't play a 60 warrior in vanilla, so I don't know exactly what to compare it
to, which is why I'm playing it, it doesn't feel that bad.
Let's see.
I feel like I'm one with the Earth.
in that moment it felt like my mind connected with the vein and the whole
world looks stupid this is what it feels like for an outsider to be truly
recognized by a new world and become a human amber you can help restore more of
the branches energy and deepen your
Yeah, did everybody hear that?
Will it make me stronger?
Of course.
Those who return energy to the branch receive its blessings.
Each blessing will improve your abilities and aid you as you travel through Idle.
In any case, congratulations.
You've successfully completed your first task.
Welcome to Idle.
Your journey officially begins here.
Quick!
Get over here. You remember that huge thing we saw
Imagine hopping in seeing that face thinking hey, that looks like me
Then I hear us and say that
Dude look at what I do with his eyes
Is his eye his eye sockets are bigger than his eyes
It's like
You can see
It's right over there.
I can feel some kind of strange ripple in the wind.
The game character looks so great.
Having a funny character creation, I think, is nice.
Like a robust character creation,
but also like you can make funny looking characters always good.
He's a game saver kids. Uh, I what what is it? What is the rating for this? I
Would assume so
Just get your current
feather belong to it probably it's huge and it's glowing and so light surely this
is no ordinary animos feather right then there's definitely something special
about it I wish Lunara were here right now she's so smart I bet you know exactly
what to do I know she's asleep inside the mural but this is the longest we've
ever been a part I kind of miss her don't worry you should be reunited soon
enough Dr. Lewis you mean exactly the Institute has already launched an
investigation into those ruins ready to eat 10 plus is that a thing now in charge
of security they'll begin but I'm guessing neither of you of course not
driven, brave. That's exactly the kind of question I wanted you to ask. Then here's
my answer. You guessed right. Just become a student of the Institute and you'll
qualify to join this investigation. The process isn't complicated. You'll take
a guidance lesson from a senior student. Once you pass, I'll handle your
assessment myself. Of course, you'll also need to obtain this region's badge for
the Nimbus Fields. It'll serve as proof of your knowledge of I.T.L. If all
goes according to plan. We'll arrive right as the investigation begins. Then you can
officially reunite with your friend. Call it extra trouble if you like or call it a
challenge. So are you ready to take it on? I bet. Excellent. Now we'll... oh look over
there. Actually the senior student assigned to guide you ought to be nearby too.
Go find Lana and ask her about it. A little heads up. She loves twining with
research subjects so finding her might require a little effort on your part
that's not gonna lie
when i've used like six or seven i was gonna want to play this i mean i think that's probably fine
i mean i feel like as a esteemed parent of children um i think whatever comes down to like
like deciding your like what your kids are gonna play like video games stuff like that.
Like they have like ESRB ratings for whatever it's like oh it's rated E, what's rated T,
you know whatever it is and it's like then at the end of the day like they're not they're
not the parent so like what what are their standards for like what do they
think is serious and what are the things not serious so the game like this that
has like fantasy violence because what it says it says like fantasy violence in
game purchases users interact so it's like okay as a parent you just got to
decide like hey it says everyone 10 plus but like you know maybe I don't want my
kid on that at all. Well, maybe you're like, I don't care.
You know,
I got a mention.
But also, dude, I have this theory. Sometimes if you just
let the kids do whatever.
Do they do anything wrong?
Have you practiced math?
That's what I was playing for.
Yeah.
Are you whispering?
So the kids don't know.
There's a bloom. Let's light it up
Because I don't have
You mean like if the kid thinks it's bad it is bad. Yeah, exactly
Like that's that for the most part that's like
Maybe I'm like fried and I just don't remember
But like my parents kind of just let me do whatever I wanted and I never did anything bad
Sometimes you like
You know what I mean kids, no, I was I was joking. I'm I don't have kids I was joking earlier when I said that
That's what I was like
I was like, why am I talking about this? Because I don't have any kids in the first place.
They speckled NIMBY.
You encircled around me like that and non-stop. Do you need something?
Wait, you're Lana.
You're that new student, right? I've heard so much about you from Dr. Lewis.
Anyway, Dr. Lewis told me about your lesson and your assessment. From now on, just ask me if you need anything.
Yeah, that's how I was, Alex.
What should I test you on?
Oh look there are loads of ember pups over there see the little ember pups over there
They're always circling around that flame rough ember pups evolved into play roughs their gamma stage form
Which is also their ultimate goal. All right. No, I really need to know could you help me find out what they're planning?
Don't forget to twine
Twine with an ember pup and you might find out what they're talking about
Wait dude, I can just go listen to them.
Oh hello gentlemen, our boss is amazing.
Boss do that again.
I'll be like that when I grow up.
Our boss is amazing.
Wait, is he leaving?
Hustling catch up to them.
Every day I'm hustling, hustling.
I
Follow dogs
Yeah, it's a cool
I think I've aged here off, I think.
So much talking, you just give it.
I don't think I have an HG, I mean I have it, I do, but I don't think it's on.
Why do you ask, Clark?
Oh, really?
Oh
Sorry, okay
Nice.
Sick. Press all of these emeralds firebolt and burn them away.
Cool.
Should be able to use the explosive barrel to blast down the chest, okay.
I think by the way dwarf shaman is the next one for sure right is there any
reason to do anything other than dwarf shaman we skyborne dread
Hey, you're between those two.
Ooh, puzzles completed. Tutorial puzzles completed.
Yeah, that's a good point earlier, Renigan.
Well, I wanted to dwarf him to anyone.
Where is your fluctuation detected?
The ember pump is about to undergo an extraordinary change.
Wait, is that the transform?
Evolutions with Evolve?
Oh, it's going to turn into a flame rough.
Ember pump's evolution requirements have been met.
Just try and know they're Evolve.
Wait, this guy is huge now.
This place I'm running figure is almost blinding.
Appreciate it, ma'am.
So precious.
Yeah, I really gotta get there soon, don't I, G-Turkz?
Catch a flowerling.
It's the second in command.
Hello, gentlemen.
One day I'm going to be in a mighty flame rough just like the boss.
Play the Trials, I haven't ruined it.
Uh, it's reaching certain level.
Super lucky lucky strike
I couldn't be that time we just have what just happened
Yeah, but what did that rare proc do exactly our extra materials are there
Go!
Get him!
Did they just sound they make when he was like, mauling them?
So, is there any benefit to me killing them, or did I just kill them for no reason?
Hey
You already got a flame rock that was fast
See that that's a turbo. It's the biggest widest
Fluffiest member of the nimbia family, huh?
You already earned the sky pasture batch that was fast then it's time for the final assessment
Take it down, but for safety's sake. I need to explain a few more things
No, I didn't sequer on my NGT program.
I gotta fix it.
with an elemental advantage? So when is fire?
You can beat it. That proves your skills are among the coa. I almost forgot this any pod ultra is more powerful than a common
Annie pod you can actually manage to defeat it
Any mom any pod ultra or rare in pod guarantees a successful any of a catcher and any pod
develop a player since doing bodies exceptional forms of a champion spirit
Okay, we gotta try and catch this turbo.
what's interesting is that you can you can play as the like there's the human
right
and it kind of like auto battles for you
Wait.
Lord into sticking to two Nimbus, it runs too heavy.
Wait, Lauren is sticking to two nimbies?
What?
Okay.
Nice.
Nice.
Nice.
Nice.
Nice.
Nice.
Nice.
Nice
I better kill it up first an accident
Yeah, I've heard that before it's there Tyler
Yeah, I don't know what they're actually doing, but maybe cuz I actually heard of that before.
But I don't know how they're doing it.
Dr. Lewis, Lana.
You impressed Lana and even earned yourself a badge.
You've come such a long way in so little time.
Congratulations, freshman.
You've passed the guidance course
and proven yourself commendably.
Starting today, you are currently a student
of the Polaris Institute.
First the Jeffrey Rebrassing.
You've passed her on the expedition team
on a point of congratulations.
May you always carry hope and passion
and shine like the stars.
Thank you, instructor.
I'll keep working hard.
Again, okay, okay, okay.
Congratulations on your promotion.
Ooh.
After promoting you can learn more active skills and passive talents.
Heal, arrow board.
I mean, this, wait a minute.
At least I'm gonna die.
Oh, that's cool.
Well, any more xp game catcher into the earth waiting for you.
Mode switch.
Pro catcher.
Cool.
Now that you're officially a student, it's time to start your real training.
and
I was a real training for was beginner training just to help newcomers find their footing
The real training for exploring idle is a lot tougher
Of course given how quickly you're growing and how well you've performed
Your training intensity and difficulty will increase accordingly
I've already put together an elite training plan made just for you
Go ahead and take a look
Training will help you grow and keep you safe out in idle. I'll be checking your progress regularly
So don't slack off explore this beautiful continent and improve yourself. I look forward to seeing your progress
Kitty yeah
Yeah, I'm so tired. Oh, I just realized I was over time with the sponsor. Yeah
Yeah, I just realized I was over over sponsor time too.
It was pretty good.
Yeah, I get it.
I get it.
I see I see why people why people are talking about so much.
Game is pretty solid.
Yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed the sponsor.
Big shout out to Nemo for for sponsoring the stream sponsored a little sponsored segment there.
If you guys can please do me a favor and click that link in chat.
Good sponsor? Yeah. What do you think? I think it's pretty good. I mean, I really like the concept of, you know, you're running around open world and RPG like Creature Catcher style, but then also you like flip it and it's like you actually do the combat or you can kind of treat it like an auto battler and you play as like the student, right?
Or you can twine and then you can actually play and then it's like an action RPG type of game.
really creative. I really like the way that they did that. Yeah, I think they
actually did a great job with it. That was a great idea. It was
creative and it was fun. A lot of the kind of open world RPG elements that
are popular in a lot of games. Free to play on PC, console, mobile. Yeah, pretty solid.
Yeah, so it's completely free to play. So if you guys want to play it,
I think if you want to play it on mobile,
Corium City was downloading it on mobile.
It's like a 12 gig download,
so you probably wouldn't be connected to Wi-Fi for it.
But yeah, thank you Amiibo for the sponsor, big time.
Yeah, if you guys could click that link for me, please,
that just clicking that link goes such a long way.
This is all it is.
It's just a link to their website,
but whenever you guys click that link,
they see where the clicks come from.
And it's really, really important for me
for you guys to click those links
when I do sponsor.
If you guys have watched my stream
before one of our sponsors, you know that like, I'm very like
upfront honest, like how it works. When you do a sponsor,
it's not the streamer's job to sell the game or anything. It's
the streamer's job to give it a fair chance and to showcase the
game. So just like, Hey, click this link and just that way
that way that the sponsor knows that it's like, okay, I'm
doing my job, but I'm properly shouting it out or whatever. And
Instead of just like
You know just playing the game whatever and turn it off, you know, it's like okay
It's a cringe right these guys are paying you to sponsor
You know, so just do me a favor and click that link because that helps me to show the sponsors that I am
Doing my job so I can get more sponsors
so that way we can keep paying for all the big events and the cool stuff that we do things like blizzcon things like this
things like this, this big a while tournament that's coming up. So yeah. And Nemo, I'm good.
Actually good. It's number two in the store. Yeah. Yeah, good. Oh, it's not funny. It
goes vibes. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I mean, this is just this, this year, dude, and especially
this season. I mean, this game came out September 16th, I think. I mean, it is packed. It is
packed. There's a lot going on.
Um
But yeah anyways guys
If you're watching on YouTube do me a favor and come on over to twitch cuz I'm gonna go ahead and the VOD
Go ahead and because I do need to I do need to hit the bed
But I'm gonna end the Vaughn if you guys want to partake in the giveaway
Just for the sake of kind of categorizing everything but
anyway
YouTube Instagram discord reddit twitch Twitter everything that's fan TV
kick youtube rumble x whatever it is everything is a fan tv twitch whatever
if it exists that's fan tv so follow me everywhere
no I'm saying I gotta go to bed but I'm gonna I'm gonna end my youtube stream
to kind of separate the thing and then we're gonna do the do do the laughing
Click, click, click, so yeah, very good, yeah no, things have been good recently, call
me Dave and that's just part of it, so, you just go, you know, things are, you just gotta
do your best, so, I mean, thanks, and boom, and we are going to do a quick little, I
I promise I would do this chat, X-Meshpoint giveaway.
For a beta key.
Wait, no, it's for me.
I said X-Meshpoint beta key, or Frank,
I said X-Meshpoint, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I'm so tired, but I promise I said
I would do one more giveaway today.
I wanna see if I can get more beta keys.
I
Excellent point time for Bench
x much point time for badge
As fun you called me a retard more than once now I'm dealing with Russ chatter and grandpa saying I have keys
I don't get what the hell you were doing and now I don't get a key
Thank you. Yeah, thank you for when x much more time for badge
Never bad chat as it will do a little giveaway after after the action sponsor
X commission point time for badge
Thank you everyone for 300 bits.
It is veg time.
It is veg time.
So here's a giveaway works chat in YouTube chat or sorry not in YouTube because we are
in the YouTube stream but in kick chat and rumble chat and x chat and in Twitch chat
you have a chance to win a beta key.
Yeah, you have a chance to win a beta key.
I'm not sure.
Everywhere that I am live.
Uh, here is, what's going on today, chat, we're doing a-
Okay, level 18, chat, mind's on me, kicked in, X so much point, are you in forever while?
I am.
X so much point, time for bed, chat, I'm going to bed immediately after this.
after this. YouTube's gonna go down? Yeah, I just I just take it down asubatsu. Because
I'm only live for another 10 minutes or so for the for the giveaway. Here's what fun
streams thank you for being here. Thank you for being a part of the community. It's
only been alive for 13 hours. What do we do? True. I'm so tired, man. I'll tell
you guys I'm like I'm grinding recently and like I got I got to go work out I
gotta I gotta I'm I'm getting tired man it like yeah I'm tired I'm just I'm just
trying to do everything I can I'm just trying to I'm just trying to get
everything done man and I haven't even played any cornwood in like a week I
don't think I might have played cornwood since was gone I think I've
I think I played it once the tempered edge tempered edge chat. I
Know on Emotion at Donmar. It's just there's too many games. No, I'm great
I mean it's a great time. We're having a lot of fun, but I'm like, you know
Like I go live, I wake up and I go live almost immediately and then I end streaming and I go to bed almost immediately.
You know?
I mean, freaking throat hurts like all day. I'm talking all day, my voice is just like run ragged.
I
Actually, I do I feel like I still haven't recovered from gamescom
Because my hipster like my my hip flexor being in that stupid. Lufthansa flight
Has been hurting ever since
Gamescom on the way there
I
Was in where your badge drill
Are you gonna compete in the tournament it is my tournament I'm I'm I'm the host of the tournament
Yeah, I'm the host of the tournament
Yeah, it would be fun to compete in my own tournament. Yes, but but I'm hosting it
Yeah, not live on YouTube. Yeah, I switch point time for bed. Yeah, I'm giving away. I'm giving away a key right before I go to bed
Hey Susan
Yes, I do read kick chat
Hey, Susan, um, I saw your message and that really, really sucks, I mean, it's a terrible,
terrible thing, but you need to call somebody.
make maize ruining my life
i do like to chat on the platforms you on? i have like a multi chat with everything
time forbage! time forbage!
You too closed? Yeah, cuz I'm gonna be live for a few more minutes for this giveaway chat
There's only two more minutes left for the giveaway
Yeah, OCD I'm listen some days it feels like I'm like some days I feel like I'm
25 some days I feel like I'm 15 some days I feel like I'm
65 okay, but at the end of the day I'm always 25 ish, okay
Yeah, at the end of the day I'm always 25 ish, okay
Susan, do you see my message?
What's cornwood?
Oh, do you not know about Cornwood?
Are you about Cornwood following September 8th? Yeah
Wait, no? No, you know Cornwood following September 8th was the first time I've ever been here.
As a patriot's friend, I actually want to die. The Seahawks gave my boy the yips, like what the fuck, but also at least we aren't the cowboys. Hee!
Yeah, I ended the YouTube stream because I'm because I'm ending
Yeah, it's kind of crazy right after after all that time jubatin
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of it's kind of crazy after all these years finally I'm sponsored by Red Bull now
Yeah, Susan, hey, listen, um, just wind, congratulations, just wind, just when I'm going to send you
message on twitch DMs just win grads
Susan, I just want to send you a message on Twitch DMs real quick.
Okay, go play Rusty Goon's camera.
Yeah, but he means like it means like the original declaration of good, which is really
funny.
Okay, hey
Susan
Listen, I know I know it really sucks Susan
with with with you know
Obviously like something like that having a deal with something like that is it's like a horrible horrible horrible feeling
you know absolutely terrible feeling but like even even if she did that like you
still have your kids you still have like it's it's it's one thing and again
it's terrible but that's all the reason you need you know
Yeah, that's that's that's all you need. You got you got two kids. That's all you need.
And you got I'm sure you got a hell of a lot more than that. And as much as it sucks,
you don't want to, you don't want to take anything away from them, right? Because she
she already took something away from them as much as she took something away from you
and I'm not like I'm not qualified to talk about this stuff or anything you should really
reach out to somebody and find somebody to talk to I'm just some random guy on the internet
who's talks a lot, but I'm really not qualified and you got plenty, you know.
And especially if there's something like that happens,
And and this isn't I mean obviously I've never been in that situation
I'm like five steps removed from that situation
I'm I'm I'm a few steps behind but
If you put yourself in in your kid's shoes
You got to realize that she she did something selfish and took from them at the same time
time. You know. So the best thing that you can do, and I mean, this is again, this is
my, I'm not qualified to talk about this, you should talk to a professional and stuff.
But if you're asking me, it's not even the best thing you can do, it's the only thing
you can do. Like it's like your job, it's your duty, right? Like you need to be the
the best damn dad that you can possibly be to your two kids, you know?
Cause that, I mean, that sucks.
Yeah
Hey, baby he we just we just gave one away we just gave one way to just friend
So just went here like let me send you a bit of King. Oh
Frick I was just going down
Yeah, they were the road I was just I was literally just about to end in a couple minutes. I'm so tired
I'm tired.
Thank you, Tommy, for the bread.
I was just about to... here, Susan, I'll give to you a sub, I mean, shit.
I'll give to you a sub.
Everything's better now.
I want to give them a sub so they don't see ads.
I
Come in dizzy or not tell me what's gonna be the best project to be be last verse. Oh, it's so hard to tell right now
Yeah, it's hard to tell right now.
She was like, yeah, I was literally just about to end.
I was just about to end up.
I'll be doing well.
Yeah, I know, I know, I know the timing, timing.
Yeah, I'm so tired.
Let me get this code out, sorry.
One second, yeah we just did it, we just did a code giveaway.
I'm running low on codes, Shep.
I gotta, I gotta try and pull off some Persian negotiation tactics to see if I can get more beta keys
for you guys.
I've been, I've been trying to get you guys a lot more beta keys.
Actually, you know what the best way is to get beta keys? Chat, everybody type Pog, whatever I'm talking about this, and be excited.
I gotta, I gotta, oops.
Oh, frick. Uh-oh.
Am I frying my computer? What just happened?
Okay, so, okay, ready, chat, look at this, everybody's had a blog, everybody be excited.
This is my person's great negotiators right here, ready?
So guys, listen, if you don't just want to sit and chat and fish for beta keys all day
every day, like you guys have been doing, you guys have been awesome and enjoying this,
you can actually go to Battle.net and you can actually get in the beta yourself.
If you guys get the Skyborne packs, the Epic pack or the Forever Collection, you get
in the beta automatically and you get 30 days of game time.
So you get in the, you get in the beta now and you get 30 days of game time and you get
everything else. You get all the other cosmetic stuff that they're offering, whatever. Okay.
And then if you get the forever collection, the forever collection comes with a Warcraft
three reforged and it comes with forsaken kingdom and it comes with this decor. So pretty
cool. And you get to invite a friend. I think these are like recruit friend codes.
But yeah, if you guys want to just say, you know what, if it dude, I'm just, I'm tired
of sitting in an S man stream and hoping that I get a beta key giveaway and you guys just
want to, just want to pay for it, just pay the 60 bucks or 80 if you, if you want to get
the whole thing, then you can just do that too.
So that's, that's an option for you as well.
Um, but yeah, so otherwise hopefully we can, uh, hopefully you can, hopefully you can
win a beta key while supplies last until, until I run out of beta keys, hopefully
you guys can keep getting them.
So, or opt in, that's true.
You can also opt in and all that.
You can also do opt in and hopefully win the,
win the visa lottery.
So $60 to not have to listen to this guy anymore.
I'm sold.
All right.
Unbelievable.
That's true.
Okay, dude, I have like a hundred Chrome tabs open
Has anyone got invited for an update yet?
Oh my gosh, what is happening in my PC right now?
i think i i think i have like a hundred twitch tabs open
they doesn't really appreciate it, i appreciate you guys too man
i do uh... i appreciate you guys too
uh... no it's it's great man it's been a it's been a really good time i'm just
glad people are enjoying the streams and and
my my like uh...
strat my my
line of thinking is always just yo
just
come out
do the best you can, put on the best show you can, have fun with it, and foster a good
community of people.
Keep it going.
Thanks, dude.
There's a lot of good streamers, so I appreciate that.
There is a game time.
Business around November when it launches, so you can play beta for free in the month.
Oh, wait, really?
That's actually huge.
Yeah, I'm going to keep trying to do those shout outs and see if I'm like, hey Blizzard,
look at me.
Can I get more beta keys? Smile?
Dude, my- okay, I need a control to delete this.
Go to bed, go to bed. I know, I know, I know, I know, chat. Let me- give me- give me- give me- give me-
Dude, my computer's getting fried right now. I- I have like a-
you
you
you
you
you
I think what it is I think they're drop bots and using as soon as you go to the rest section
they don't time chat at all. But here's the thing, I really do enjoy playing, like the
Rust RP stuff is very fun. Streamers, so tomorrow night we'll do Rust and then I'll get on
early. I'll probably get on as soon as I wake up and finish leveling this guy. I think
we do a we do a ruins of Lordaeron and it's I think it's GG's after we do that so
And then what you don't end up happening to get banned and then they don't even get their drop now
The people that are like they're nice and they say hey hey, I was wondering when you're gonna play rust or something
That's fine. That's normal. That's not a big deal
But the people that are like really rude about it or aggro they just get banned
And then okay, there's Robin the first place.
So it's like, what?
From not Amino and Nemo.
All right, guys, I don't know.
These people are insane.
I'm gonna ban.
I will see you guys in the morning,
whenever I just, oh hey, YouTube, Instagram, Discord,
Reddit, Twitch, Twitter, Kick, TikTok, Facebook, X,
Rumble, everything is S-Fan TV.
Also shout out to Rumble with the multi streaming deal that I got.
We got set up with the Rumble Wallet multi streaming deal, it's their payment platform.
So there's also going to be some exclusive streams there.
A few hours a month.
I actually, I might do some bonus actually Raid Knight, Raid Knight probably I'm going
to do on Rumble tomorrow.
Maybe Arenas even.
arenas and and raid nine on rumble we'll see because I have like a few hours a month that
I have to hit for rumble and actually I have most of them already but yeah but anyway badge
I'm gonna win. How's the warrior feel after 18 levels? I think it feels fine but we'll
see how we finish up. So my plan is to every class that I level to 20 every class that
at level to 20, I want to make a video kind of talking about what I think about the class
and like the starting experience for that class to really be able to give like a good
solid sort of sort of feedback about the game and about everything.
So that way people really know.
I'm up for at least another four hours. What am I supposed to watch now? Oh, frick, jab,
follow everything. Let's see you guys later. Love you. Come back. I'm trying. I'm trying.
This game is, uh, this game is way more important to me than it should be. I care
a lot. I really do way too much. But yeah, we did go to Gilmast again. And you know
What else?
Hey genius, when will you stream rest?
Tomorrow evening, tomorrow evening.
Yeah, tomorrow evening we will.
So you can go check the schedule.