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I just wanna be with you, just wanna groove with you
Don't give a nothin' else, just wanna know you will
Just wanna be with you, just wanna prove it to you
Don't care about nothing else, just not about you
It's all a thing about nothing else on my mind
All I really need is just a happy girl
And I like to take it for a ride
That you can never forget
All the places that you've never seen
It's never a good time, we can't forget
In the time of wisdom and love
There's a light
On the way to life
Where we're all on the mark
In the world
On the step back
Because it's time
There's a light
On the way to life
On the way, on the way
We're all off on the road, in a world
Don't stop us, we're just getting started
There's a light, we're all going to be light
I'm on the way, on the way, in a world
Don't stop us, no one, just getting started
Yes, yes, yes, yes!
Let's go, let's go, let's go Right where I wanna be
Let's go, let's go
Shades on, I'm deep in my zone Spread love, yo, we makin' it known
I'm really feelin' that we go together Cause it's all good times, yeah, now, forever
In the booth or in the club Wherever I go, I turn the music up
Whatever the day, I make waves, fake dreams, fake moves, fake love
You'll be late up the night, good vibes
And I'm gonna light ice, and I'm cool like ice, ice
Everybody look at, look at me
It's a magic what you see
Tell me it's a love, but it's fantasy
Am I dreaming?
Step to the left, yeah move for the flow
Good times for all you'll be letting this show
Hands to the sky, yeah I feel it so free
Love in the air, yeah I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Yes, yes, yes
Right where I wanna be
Yo, let's get it
Let's go, let's go
Let's go
Let's go, let's go
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
You're free, don't want to be
I keep my love emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep my love emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep my love emotional
Keep on reaching high
I keep my love emotional
I keep my love emotional, I keep on reaching high
You're giving me but it's not enough I want you to open up your eyes some more
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite A double dose of the world is what will get me right
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
A double dose of love is one more get me through the night
Look at me in my eyes
I wanna see my whole reflection
Knowing I'm all you see
But I'm sticking to you
I want your body and your soul tonight
It's crazy and strong
I keep my love and emotional
I keep on reaching out like I keep my love and emotional
I keep on reaching out, I keep on loving emotional
I keep my love so emotional that I keep on keep on reaching for the sky
I keep on going emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep on going emotional
I keep on reaching high
I'm emotional, keep on reaching out
I keep on loving so emotional that
Keep on keeping reaching for the skies
Don't so pain make the tendency shake
Yeah, we gon' hop
Watch how we shine
Turn up the volume
I'm the spark in the room when the bass go boom
I'm the spark in the room, yeah
When the bass go boom
Yeah, uh, uh, yeah
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
Step energy, that's my lane.
Tip to clean, let it talk my name.
Got a groove so sick, make the dows all drink.
And it must build as a permanent flame.
It slump little post when the kick drum hits.
Hit the tape of fix, that'll cut through mix.
Now they move like tin.
Like a planet script, I don't brag.
I just walk like the clowns don't slip, uh-huh.
Yeah, we don't hurt.
Watch how we shine.
Turn up the volume
Hey, come on
I'm the spark in the room when the bass goes
Ooh
Spark in the room, yeah
When the bass goes
Spark in the room, yeah
When the bass goes
Let's get connected
We can make the whole world better
Come on, come on
Nothing gonna stop us if we unify
This is what they gonna like the future by
Everybody got to go together and do this right
One, two, one, two, three
Let's get connected
Let's get connected, let's get connected
I can feel us getting closer
Let's get connected, everyone
Let's get connected, let's get connected
We can start a whole thing over
Like they wanna stop us giving you never by
This is what they call a multitude of by
Everybody got to get together when we do this right
Let's get connected I can feel us getting closer
Let's get connected Let's get connected
Let's get connected I can feel us getting closer
Nothing but my stuffers in the universe, bye
This is what they're gonna mark the future, bye
Now get back together and get together running in this rain
Nothing more, nothing, nothing getting our way
Want to change the world, then you start the game
Everybody get the game, let's get it right
Let's get connected
Don't you think I'm staying?
So far
I can't stand to kill a fight
Don't you think I'm going to, going to, going to kill you?
When music calls you, music, music calls you
Seconds, feet to your back in my arms again
On the last day in your mind, baby, it's you tonight
I've never been crazy, it was the night I met you with the beat
There's the night I blow to the moon
It's Friday night, it's time to get through
It's Saturday night, the beat is still with you
It's Saturday night
Dream League Season 28 is brought to you by DHL and CheX.
Another day of a weekend. Dota is upon us. Weekend Dota famously known for the highest quality of all Dota.
A sign of approval from Cap, a sign of approval from Avery,
appearing in the opening opinions on Weekend Dota.
You typically stack with people, so maybe you're not at the mercy of Weekend Dota random pub teammates.
I don't solo queue, it's for maniacs.
Uh-huh.
So, I would say that the Weekend is easier to get us back, but if you've missed time it,
Like, let's say you're in a community where Discord and there's like 10, 15 people that
regularly play.
Yeah.
Someone will hop in at 6, anyone for a game, and suddenly they're in a stack.
And now you're waiting for someone to leave the stack so you can take their place.
Or for another four people to turn up, and maybe three people turn up, so you're waiting
for one person to turn up and they never turn up.
Then you say, hey, let's just go as four, and then you have a maniac rando on your team.
So yeah, always queue as five.
That's my solid advice in-dote.
We know the best friends to have in Dota, the seat warmers.
Those are the people who are willing to play Dota.
They also kind of like watching Dota and being a part of the experience.
I'll step aside and listen.
Exactly.
They're really the coach.
Exactly.
Those people are goaded.
I love those people.
They'll take up the spot and then once you're like, I'm down to play next, they'll be like,
I'm all right.
I can watch.
They love it.
They love it.
Yeah, you know who the worst are?
Who's the worst they are.
I'll tell you this is the worst is these pieces of shit. Yeah, I'm gonna say it these
Goddamn guys go in and they ask you to play every day and they boot up the game
And they go in and they invite you and before you can even join the stack
They have four other people join complete randos, and they just insta queue and go
Why don't you ever play with me? Yeah, I agree. Those people are sick. You want to name anyone?
No, okay
Because a lot of people, they want to make a stack and they just press the plus button next to everyone on their friends list.
And then it's just like, race to the, race to the accept.
Don't do that. Imagine you're having a party. It's birthday party, Neil.
Occupancy at this place is only five.
And you invite a hundred people, but it's just the first four people to turn up, plus you.
You've got a bunch of people waiting outside.
Yeah. This isn't Ted's mom's house.
Yeah.
No, not on that one.
Oh yeah, alright, alright, that was pretty good.
Is she pretty good?
She's busy, mate, you know what I'm talking about?
That's my mom playing that lick for my mom.
She should be watching our show because she's missing out on some great Yoda,
such as what we had yesterday for our very first day of Group Stage 2 action.
Our first day of the best of threes, we had four of them, and only one of them went the distance, the other ones were all 2-0s.
Why?
I actually...
Why?
Have a bit of a theory on that, but I'll expound on it later.
We'll count later.
First series we had Malus taking on at Tundra.
That's quite a good series. I enjoyed that series.
Yeah, did everybody lose faith in Malus after this series?
Uh, no, I...
I had really not to walk away with it.
I don't know if we lost faith, it was just like,
ponder was just better, I think, was the thing.
And there were a couple of drafting things
with Maus where it felt like maybe,
like I think some of the experts were saying
that maybe their pool of heroes that they were willing
to pick was not as wide as it needed to be.
Or perhaps they were widening it too much.
That was Chris first ever game on Kez and Competitive.
Yeah, so they're like, well, we better play this hero.
It's pretty cool and everybody else is playing it,
but then if you don't know how to play it.
I thought he was a fine kiss.
I'm not gonna put any of that on Chris.
No, no, no, of course.
But it's just, it wasn't, they didn't have the impact
that say 33 Beastmaster did with the three Brewmaster.
They were just like, ah, shit.
You know, he got his guy and that's it.
Second series, or actually, I guess third,
did they not even show highlights from the liquid?
There was nothing.
A liquid extreme series?
There was nothing.
It was just, it stomped.
It was nothing.
There were so many highlights in this one.
They got to get to it right away.
We got the Roshan throw.
Hopefully we're going to see the nine class Aegis deny.
Nine class upping his game, going from
griefing the laning phase to now griefing the mid game.
Just that he's goaded, man.
He's so good.
He's going to get SSS up to speed.
He needs to know what he's dealing with.
Something I'm going to see in my class at 11.
He's going, why do you hate me?
I'm sorry, nine class.
That is actually nothing against you, Sam.
You're just a really funny player to watch.
He's great to watch.
Yeah.
That is that expression the head down, head in hands,
that is, we could do a super car.
I'd say half the players at some point in the tournament
have made that exact expression.
They will face mom.
Ugh, like that.
That's what that sound effect goes with.
It's because it's a team game,
so you've got to kind of like just internalize
your frustration, right?
You can't just let it out.
Just start tipping your teammates.
Aggressive teammate tips.
I reckon that top four is looking pretty spicy.
You think it's going to stay that way?
Yeah, I do.
I actually do.
I am inclined to agree with you, actually.
I think that's my top four I predicted.
Avery?
Yes, Neil.
Do you think this is going to be the top four?
No.
That's why I think my boy, Aimee, from Extreme Gaming
is going to deliver swift justice to this group.
Avery, how early did you put your predictions in for this day?
Very early.
Okay.
I think you might have set a trend or something.
For the life of me, I'm completely baffled as to why so many people predicted extreme
over mouse.
I understand why Avery did it.
Okay, I'm legit.
I would be well in first place if I had never predicted extreme once this event.
Most of my point losses are from putting down extreme just because I want to believe in
them more than I do and I punished time and time again but one day I will be
right maybe it will be glorious maybe I will win more than just points I mean I
think tofu might have had a point when he like will was telling us yesterday in
the interview that said a lot of things in that interview that's true that's true
but he was saying tofu was standing outside the in the kitchen area saying
the team's just too slow and X Nova came out of the box I think that's
motivation for him for XG yeah for XG I think XO was gonna go back to good
Sixth guy was shit-talking us.
This goddamn liquid loser was shit-talking me in the bathroom, boys.
We gotta step it up.
Joway, get it, wash your face.
Wash your face, Joway.
Let's get in there.
Maybe that's what he was doing.
Maybe he was washing his face.
He may well have actually been said to wash his face.
That's what happens.
Never create a spite situation in the world of Dota 2.
That was Liquid's last mistake.
They're gonna feel the wrath.
We have made a handful of mistakes on our morning shift
as we've been continuing our trend of making little missions during the day.
Yesterday's mission was painting on a canvas.
We started out with a paintbrush and a dream,
and it ended with something a little bit more chaotic than that.
It ended right there.
It ended right there.
It probably got the canvas and it was over.
We started out with some nature's profit action made by Ted,
and I thought that the bar was set quite high.
We followed it up.
The task specifically was draw one Dota hero being ganked, your choice, and Night Shift decided to up their game.
Who would have thought that Purge Gamers, famously associated with a calculator, turns out to be the most creative person on the Dream League staff.
He won the tie-dye competition, and he is apparently the mastermind behind the perspective of this masterpiece.
This is the night shift paint creation.
It is a pludge, um, well, actually our both sides die right now, because if that's the river, then...
Well, they're ganking, aren't they?
It's a dirty mess.
It's because they start off with just brown and blue, right?
And then they didn't bother to play grass on the radiant side.
Then they're gonna...
Yeah, you're right, their paint sucks because of that beatdown.
We'll give you the cinder and move.
I don't have the button.
Can we get into the room? Here we go.
Yeah, boo! Tell him, Senator.
Get out of here, Charles.
Meanwhile, we had the morning shift creation.
This was Nature's Prophet and Crystal Maiden, done by our good friend, Ed.
I also did Spirit Breaker.
You also did, this is a Spirit Breaker, it's not a Puck.
Yeah, I just, I can't stop.
He's running off.
It's still a Puck.
The Trance, I also did the Angry Trance.
Angry Trance.
Effie did the, she had perspective as well.
perspective as well. A three-dimensional isle can kind of a cube.
There's a glipeneer coming out.
Yeah, glipeneer effect.
And Cap, what is this spell right here?
See if you can guess.
That is a glowing worm, I believe.
Which must be the swarm. That's the only thing I possibly think of.
It's like from pitch black, those glowing worms.
That's the only thing they possibly be.
Certainly not a lightning bolt.
Every like five-year-old knows how to draw a lightning bolt
And then you do the the s no the s and what is next to it there cap this little this little thing
I'm breaking that is a long break at home on break. We went for the global gaming strat and that was Quinn's
What do you know how to put it effort?
That's a huge contribution
Um, apparently the viewers at home did not appreciate these contributions as much as we can take a look at the revolt.
Oh, let's see these votes.
And the votes, because you at home voted on which of these paintings are superior in a Twitch poll.
Show me the m-
71!
Yeah, I can't believe you guys got this.
Yeah, I just started.
This is even worse than the shirts.
I actually think you guys, I think that you would have had a chance at winning if the canvas was just filled out, like a bag.
Yeah, maybe.
I actually think that was a big difference.
So that paint we had to share it with evening crew like wasn't a two sets of paint
Yeah, and I didn't want to be the dickhead who used up all the paint
Yeah, so I was like if we do a background
It's gonna use all the paint up and that would be kind of mean and they'd be stuck
And then they would blame us and people would also think well
We're not gonna vote for them. They cheated they used all the paint
And that's why I moved to the morning crew to get one point for moral moral high
No, I want to earn it. Ted is a decent thoughtful person. How are we getting worse?
That's all I wanted to know.
Yeah, you guys gotta blow the fuck out.
Yeah, actually, I'm not hiding anything.
How are you getting worse?
That's what I'd like to know.
I'm just a bit of a saboteur, I think, really.
Just any kind of group project, any team effort, any kind of points, winning, I'm just terrible.
What kind of person are you in a group project?
Are you a leader?
I don't know.
Are you the guy that just...
You work with me?
This is a group project?
Make up your own mind.
I didn't think you were the guy...
He?
Those don't respond to the emails and...
Tch.
Me?
Bad teammate.
Lousy colleague.
Yeah, you can base it on the...
I think you're a great Dota teammate though, Ted.
I played Dota with you.
You're great.
Well, are you good?
You can base it on our group chats with Ted.
And how the primary group chat is Ted's blog along with Ted.
Yeah, why do you do that?
Tch.
Why do we have a moment?
Like, why are you just writing your internal memos in the group chat?
What? What do you mean?
Nobody else does this.
What do you mean?
And then when I was talking to you, you responded to me in the group chat, as if it's just for everyone.
Give me an example.
What do you mean, that whole thing?
That whole blog.
An example.
I didn't blog in the group chat.
Yeah, you do.
What do you mean, when I can't make the dishwasher work with something?
Yeah, it's just like...
I'm like, dishwasher won't work.
Where's my Uber on the table, and I can't do running vouchers.
You're just writing in the group chat, like just message the dude.
That end, it's not, we have multiple group chat,
there's like a united group chat,
but then there's also event-specific group chat.
Yes.
But you're typically writing event-specific details
in the big group chat.
I want everybody to know.
I want everyone to know.
I might be someone out there that can help.
That's true, actually.
Big people have purely for Uber Lines and stuff
and Ted's just up there.
That's pretty bright today.
I appreciate the block.
I respect this.
I respect it.
It's bad, but I respect it.
And our other group contributions, perhaps,
we may have an opportunity for each round,
because we can see what today's task is going to be,
because the disco theme is gonna present a new mission,
to fill Bob actually.
Oh, there's Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob.
Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob.
Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob.
Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob.
Move it, and move it, and move it.
Down to the leg, and to the back.
You keep the camera on?
Where's he going?
He's gonna fall!
He's gonna do that, right?
He's right?
Where'd he go now?
He's right!
He's gonna go that way!
He's gonna go that way!
Never let him know you're next to him!
Other than...
Giving...
carrying the flag...
of the bug!
Hey!
Thanks very much, Francisco Bob!
Hey, do you have a carry permit for those guns, man?
Man!
Man!
Man!
Alright, what are we going to fail at today Ted?
Let's see what we can get new poign indeed.
Pieces of the past.
This is good you're all.
We got this in the bag.
Complete this puzzle in the shortest period of time.
You will be racing against the other shift fastest time or highest amount of puzzle completion at the end of your shift will win.
Your time starts when you open the box.
Another puzzle.
Another puzzle.
They've run out of ideas.
I like that production was like, okay, we gotta understand, these people are idiots, like, highest percentage of, you know, puzzle completed just in case they can't actually get it done.
And this is important to know because last time we compromised a little bit of our time in the puzzle challenge because we opened the box.
Look, Neil, we're gonna lose it.
I'm opening the fucking box. I don't care. Start the timer. We're gonna lose anyway. Let's just get on with it. Let's have a look at what we're up against here.
No, we're supposed to put it on something, Ted. So let's get it back.
It's a literal puzzle. We just have to solve that. There you go. Start the timer
You can give us a year. We're gonna lose anyway who cares?
So start the time.
That is a nice box. There you go.
What if the puzzle is put in the box back together? Stop the clock!
It's the hidden objective.
Can we get a board to put this on?
Yeah, well there you go. Who cares?
I do anyway.
Before 30 seconds have been drained down the clock.
I have a question for production. Is this puzzle easier than the last one?
The last one you guys could not finish. It was super hard and you guys needed the box image.
We're not getting the box image, so I have to assume it's easy.
This is literally just a puzzle. We've done three puzzles.
The very first puzzle is the one you're referring to, which was at the end of last season.
It actually took multiple days, and it was a photo of Kezu and Xenia and the rest of Black Fade,
I believe was the name of the team, it was the Han team, and we were not able to successfully complete all of it, despite everyone collaborating on it.
This one, I'm assuming, is in the same van, but I would hope it's a little bit easier, we'll see.
Well, we have a board to put it on.
We have a board to put it on.
Can we get a show of the band or something to give power for production to match it?
We have to throw it at me, Don.
Just throw that.
Thank you.
Oh, there's the band, have raw!
Great.
Here on the left, that's the board.
Oh, I have the board now. Thank you.
We have a Cardboard board, but I want to see a Leaderboard board.
I bet you do, Neil. I bet you specifically want to see a Leaderboard.
Not that Leaderboard quite yet. I want to see the eSports World Cup Leaderboard.
Oh, that's a good board.
Because we're handing out a handful of points in this ESL Pro Tour.
Tour is the second stop and the teams that have made their name on it the most notable one is an 8th place Aurora gaming
Coming from zero to hero being off the charts in a bad way to now
Highly in contention for a direct invites. Oh, I see a name down there
Nick my galaxy at 400 points, but they're going to Birmingham. They are going to be going to Birmingham
I'm gonna get points.
Make the galaxy oblin for points.
Believe me.
Oh, that's gonna be high.
Get ready for it.
That's gonna be in a little while, though.
They're not gonna get any points here at Dream League.
Oh, well, look who decided to start working on the puzzle now.
I thought you were gonna sacrifice.
He's helping out.
You're doing a couple pieces, man.
Okay.
While I can while I'm here.
I appreciate it.
I do enjoy my puzzle.
I'll give you guys a couple color categories to go for.
I'm gonna give you a couple edge pieces.
pieces. We'll have two best of threes to work on this puzzle on our morning shift. You at
home are going to get an opportunity to watch four best of threes over the course of this day.
Let's take a look at the schedule for our second day of group stage two action tap.
We've got Extreme vs. Mouse gaming and Tundra vs. Parry vision for our shift.
I think Tundra vs. Parry vision or Aurora vs. Falcons has the most question marks for me.
I feel like the other two are pretty straightforward, but I think Aurora vs. Falcons is definitely
the best test for Aurora, because they are on a hot one right now.
Agreed. I think I've been convinced of Aurora after seeing their Group Stage 1 performance.
Yesterday, beating Party Vision 2.0 was just another notch for their credibility, and I
think this will be, in my mind, the final test.
Yeah.
they've really got the sauce which team do you think has proven the most saucy at
this tournament so far probably Aurora yeah I think yet you still desire more
source from them well interesting in in the sense that yeah we've spoken of many
many a honeymoon period before like cap do you remember there was that one team
that was like half disbanded during a dream lake yeah liquid no the one that
The Hawk was on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they were just...
They managed to make it to playoffs.
They were obliterating everyone,
and they were effectively disbanded while competing.
And then as soon as they floated the idea into the ether,
they were like, maybe we'll stay together.
It's going pretty good.
Was it Parker on that team as well?
That would be a good fit, but no, he wasn't.
And as soon as he posited the possibility
of maybe we'll stick together, it crumbled.
Yeah, yeah, I did.
And so now I'm wondering that is Lornoff still standing?
And as soon as that becomes solidified as it ruin everything
Because lord office famously a very good fit in
Congratulations, welcome to the team
This is just another dream hack puzzle. Is it actually? Yeah. Well, yeah
How many dream leaks have there been a lot of dream leaks there've been a lot of dream leaks love dream hacks
There have been 29 there was a preseason dream link. That's true
Is Greenback still a thing?
Uh, yes, it is.
I believe the Birmingham event is part of an entire festival, I think.
But they don't, um, so now, oh, I don't even know what my fucking question is.
Okay.
Do they still do it in Yon Sharping?
If I should not say that.
Sharping?
Yon Sharping.
Yon Sharping.
That is a...
No, apparently that's Greenback.
Would you recall for this last night the funniest part?
Yeah.
I do know things that you do know Ted though. Go on. I didn't much team prediction
Let's look at the leaderboards. We have been making predictions before the day begins on a witch
11 the four amigos just killing it on the morning for the cross we suck at these random quests
But by God, do we know our don't?
What are you really here for? You want to watch the Dodo? You want to watch paintings being made tie-dye being done?
Perch for all of his creative inclinations.
Yeah, some of these guys are supposed to be experts.
Well, this is where Jenkins gets a laugh, right?
That's what we know.
Jenkins' whole opposite strategy is really going to start falling apart in the best of threes.
Now we're going to get to expected outcome.
Well, you say that, but Jenkins for our very first series has seemingly gone with the majority as he has chosen Extreme along with more than half of the talent crew.
What's wrong with me?
Cap, what do you mean?
I filled it up before a lot of people put in Maus and I just, it was an entire board of extreme and I was like, what's going on?
And like am I misreading this?
If I missed the news, has somebody gotten sick on Maus?
Has Crystal broken an arm?
Like what, what's happened?
So my angle, which I'm not sure if this is the same reason why you chose mouse, was I am seeing a lot of
stylistic clashes emerge between teams and I think that
Tundra was a good stylistic clash against mouse, which is why they won, but I think mouse has a good style against extreme
Okay, but we just saw yeah, we just saw liquid smack extreme and we're gonna see mouse do the same
I now I'm realizing what's happening. All these people are lower down on the leaderboard. They're trying to make up points
They're trying to get the unexpected outcome to get a point in over the past few months.
I think that's what it's called.
Aside from Jenkins' Beth Boomb Team vs. Liquid prediction, that is an isolated result in
a sea of horses.
He's literally just looked at what everyone else has done and done the opposite, if possible.
I do respect that.
That's all he does, man.
It's a terrible strat, but I do respect the commitment to the bit.
And he also believes that if I am to inverse his prediction, he thinks that Aurora is better
than Falcons, and so he has chosen Falcons, which means that it seems that more than half
of people are considering Aurora, these Division 2 upstarts to be a favorite against Falcons,
TI winners.
Madness.
Hey, if it wasn't for your extreme prediction, we all four of us would actually be aligned
on predictions today.
All the other ones, we actually all chose the same, because I was gonna add, I was looking
for somebody else like, give me the party vision argument, give me the Falcons argument.
If I see Aurora, I don't bet against Aurora.
Yeah, not right now anyway.
That team's on some... they're on some...
You think they're better than Falcons? It's pretty close, actually.
Yeah, they're playing way better than Falcons.
Yeah, I also think they're better than Falcons.
Yeah, I know, but I want confirmation when I think...
The thing is, Falcons, it's a Razor Viper meta.
Yeah.
You know, kind of hard to bet against Falcons.
Yeah, that's the thing.
They are quite slow.
We did hear the Skeeter talk about how they didn't actually like the fact that it's a Viper Razor.
Which is wild to me.
Well, I mean, it makes sense when he explained it, right?
Like, he wants to be able to have Razor Viper as an option later down the draft,
because the hero's a little off meta, right?
When it's so valuable and everybody's playing it,
then they don't get it in a good Razor Viper.
Oh, yeah, that body's fair.
They just get it, and, you know, so...
I do want to say, I don't think Liquid vs. Betboom is, like, totally crazy one-sided.
Really?
As in, like, I think our predictions make it look worse than it is.
Yeah, that's right.
I think it's still 60-40 for Liquid.
Pretty sure that's right.
You- uh, you-
Which one do you think was more lost out of yesterday's Extreme Liquid?
If- before we saw the gameplay out?
Yeah, I have more confidence in Liquid getting Extreme than Liquid getting that one.
Hmph. Alright.
Well, we'll get a chance to watch that series later on,
but right now, we've got some other Adoda to attend to,
and I see a man off in the corner who might want to tell me about it.
Oh! Oh!
I want to talk to you guys a little bit about Malzik's experience.
So I took a look at their draft from yesterday and there are some things that I wanted to
point out.
They played each other once on the group stage and that series went one-on-one, so if you
could jump to the screen that I have in front of me, we're going to take a look at the draft.
So some key things here is we see the Kez and the Mars, I feel like for me this has been
a very strong trend, this event, and this Kez and that are completely shutting down the
Mars, giving Miles a pretty tough game to play and extremely quite big advantage.
And this is something that Miles tried to do in a different series, but it didn't really
work out for them.
Kes threat from Maus is not nearly as strong as for extreme and this opens up the door to just play Mars more comfortably
Maus's response last time they played against each other was the DK against the Mars
And this is something that we should keep in mind because Chris does actually has quite a limited hero pool
He's mostly playing gyro or
What's the main show is to use
Well, he's mostly playing gyro or DK SF has banned a lot
Hosskar has been banned a lot, Razor Viper aren't really like being picked that much anymore in this event
So he's mainly looking for DK, mainly looking for Gyro
Thunder did this really smart thing yesterday where they ended up banning out the DK and it looked like Miles had a really hard time
structuring up their drafts. So that's something that if I was extreme gaming I would look to do
Also, if we go back to the draft page we can notice that
They were banning Warlock a lot. This was a hero that Sellerio played quite a bit
But I think if you're extreme gaming and you saw the Thunder Series yesterday,
you might try to value banning the DK over the Warlock if you feel like it's hard to slot in
that ban later on in the draft. And I think this presents a little bit of a problem for
miles. It seemed to have quite a limited hero pool. And extreme gaming should be looking at
these things and trying to take advantage of them.
Yay! Thank you very much, Aiden. Yeah, that has been consistently one of the hardest
carry the off-ling pairings that I've noticed via counter as you can come
join us down in the lounge. This Kaz versus Mars thing is more binary than I
see most hero-to-hero matchups. Why is that the case? Why is Kaz and Mars so such a
clash like that? I mean he outstresses him, he does a lot of damage and every time
I mean Mars defends himself by pushing people away and Kaz has infinite chase
potential so that's not an issue for Kaz. He just does a lot of damage.
Does a lot of damage, very...
Out of the essence, a lot too.
Well, this is impossible. I bloody hate puzzles.
I would also say, I feel like it kind of didn't get into it properly, but a big thing for the series for me is the fact that Miles doesn't really have a Kaz player.
This Mars thing becomes an issue.
Like, I think...
It wouldn't surprise me to see X-Teen lean on Mars a lot and just ban on DK, because they don't have the threat of Kaz.
Whereas they don't have the same pressure the other way around.
And usually in drafting, if you have this kind of situation where one of the top heroes of the event is most picked heroes,
it's not doing super well on win rate, but I think that's mainly due to counter-picks.
You can't respond to it in a strong fashion.
You end up having a very hard time drafting.
And I'm sure if I can see it, Xtreme can see it too.
Yeah.
And they have been more than willing to lean on Aneisk as time and time again, as Effie remarks regularly.
It's probably the hero that he's having the most fun on right now.
And when Aume is having fun, then it's good times all around for her.
That's when you're in danger.
That's when you're in danger.
But yeah, Aume, if she's just not gone through the motions and he wants to put a game on
his back while having fun and killing heroes, he will dump that opportunity.
I'm actually surprised that at your earlier conversation, people thinking that Maus is
stylistically good versus XG.
I mean, on paper, Maus are a very fast team, but they're nowhere near in liquid that are
playing with, like, twice the hero pool that Maus are.
Miles feel like they're here as specialists and the last time we saw XG play against Miles two days ago
It felt like XG had their number a bit at least with the drafts now
It wasn't a best of three so maybe it would have been different. They did end up drawing
But the one game that Miles did when it was a comeback as well. They had to come back from the 10k network deficit
So I feel like at least for extreme gaming from what I've seen
They have an easier time drafting against a team like Miles been a team like something like a liquid or a falcons
The draft aspect I do agree with is my style is to get advantage. I was giving purely in regards to the speed and
Whenever mouse is picking up their pugnose and stuff like that and extreme are taking the backseat being like well
We'll just put up a little wall will put up defenses and then after 30 minutes then we're gonna join the game
That's why I thought mouse has ideally learned their lesson from yesterday and they're like, okay
Let's double down on the speed. I mean, I feel like if we compare mouse to liquid effect liquid versus extreme is a lot about
the gameplay because I think Liquid will always draft themselves into kind of like this same type of positions and
Then they will look to play can they execute that well enough or not?
but as mouse to me is like when
they will only play that way like when they get the right heroes and
There are clear trends and I feel like generally in group stage one you get away with that more because you some guy will go look at the
Dota buff and there's like oh the heaps like DK one if they jarra once
It doesn't really tell you anything, but when there's 10 games of data and the only times
you place anything else is when you get one of the broken hairs of the patch, it becomes
quite evident.
And like, that means you can very early on in your draft to talk about like the support
matchups yesterday being picked very early, like on 9 and 13.
Today you kind of know it's going to be DKGiro and you can set up for it from early on and
you don't have to consider all the options of potential threats that could be coming
because you kind of know what it's going to be.
You can hand it to them and prepare yourself early on from the draft.
It's, in my mind, for Xtreme, this is a draft series.
And if they figured out the puzzle of how to draft against Malz,
they should have the advantage here.
And the data is available.
And also, can you come up with answers?
I agree.
I do think Malz are one of the teams that can have a really hot start,
but once teams have a read and understanding of them,
They can get cornered a lot.
Like yesterday, the double support picks that they were doing didn't inspire a lot of faith.
I feel like the early pick cores that Maus can do comfortably to me seem like they come from Chrysalis's lane,
and those often get found out.
Those would be heroes like Shadowfiend, heroes like Razor,
and for other teams, heroes like Kez, which Chrysalis is trying to introduce into his pool,
and I believe he will eventually get really good at it.
But if you think about Razer and SF getting banned out every single game, like what else can you pick after showing them support?
And what else is there?
He is available. They should take it. Pick it up. No, it is. Take it. Why? Take it. This is good for you.
Xiao Wei does a mastermind. Don't you dare question him, Insania.
Well, now this... now is there happy that this. I will say, I think on the list of like great SF players in Dota
But I just feel like this hero is so strong that you can kind of like look past that.
But I think purely as a like a comfort pick for Chrysos, I don't think SF is that.
Tad, I see some blonde hair in this jigsaw puzzle.
I think if we pick up the blonde hair pieces, we have a good starting point.
Yeah, I've got a few of those. The problem is if I leap forward too much, my shiny head messes with the lighting.
Okay.
You're flash-faring me.
I presume.
a lot of blonde hair strands so this is out here a few.
So this is not a picture of me as well which was doubled down on that.
Maybe it's young Ted.
No I never had blonde hair of Ted like I said well apart from when I was a baby.
The Crystallus has got his hands on Chateauphine two times this tournament.
He beat Falcons with it and he beat Execration with it.
Yeah I mean I think the hero is extremely strong but I think if the only real reason
I could see for XG doing this is that they feel like it's just not as comfort and they
think that's the easiest way to beat them. Instead of spending bands on gyro and
decay they're going for this kind of approach. They also shifted it up from
last time. They were banding Warlock. It was like a consistent band and this time
they let it through. I was also thinking that you know Chinese team
Kling Phoenix is always really really strong so it's cool to see that. Now I
also picked up on that and banded up here.
And there goes the Kez. So I would say if you're extreme, you kind of have to consider
the fact that Mars is a potential option here.
This is also a change from what you guys were saying about, and it was true. I was doing
that series was that they were picking two supports first.
Right.
And now they're like, no, no, no, let's pick the carry first. Pick the most busted carry
we can and then work from there.
Yeah, this was the Maus, Tundra theories, every team that picked two supports of the first two picks lost.
For Maus, it was Warlock, Shadow Demon, and Game 1, they lost.
Tundra picked the Phoenix, Shadow Shaman, they lost.
And then Maus picked Tusk, Warlock, and they lost.
Yeah, I mean, I guess Move Master is a cool concept because once you hit level 6, you can dive this us off if you just bring in a hero or two.
to and he's gonna be tankier on the lane, he's gonna have like movement speed to play with
as long as they're drafting a strong range support for FY which is the archetype that
they look best at. Maybe the idea works, I just hope that there is more than just okay
we're gonna pick blue versus the SF because again now is if they're giving their heroes
they own. But maybe that's oversimplification, just the SF.
I mean I was looking at the bands myself yesterday and I remember based on their earlier series
I kind of like their bands, they were banding like SF, they were banding Huskar I think.
And the only thing I was like, maybe they'll shift up the Warlock for a potential DK band
and then set themselves up for kind of a Mars game plan.
But it seems like they didn't really go down that route.
They also decided to leave the Mars in the pool, which is quite surprising to me.
I'm sure the conversation was happening that minute of like draft discussion there.
I mean it feels like a no brainer with Asaph as your carry, especially right, right?
I feel like XG are doing the, in my mind it's like the puppy move of like you give them very strong heroes that you're aware of what they do
and they're very likely to pick with some sort of game plan in mind.
And I will say when like we talked about PSG, LGD off camera, like when they were in their prime, this was also their forte.
Like, Shallade was very comfortable giving you everything you wanted to play, and just having clear cut answers to it.
There was a period where we played, sorry for monologuing, there was a period where we played a lot of Loan Druid,
and everybody banded against us. It was like a guaranteed ban, and if it was in the pool we would always pick it.
And they just gave it to us, picked Slaughter and Drow, and this bear was like the least tanky thing I've ever seen in my entire life.
And we just got completely dismantled.
You mean this is when they picked against your bear, the physics barter plus draw ranger?
Yeah.
I remember that game because that's a cool draft.
Yeah.
That's any major draft.
It might have been any major draft.
It was around that era.
I don't remember which event it was exactly.
I think it was that because they did, they gave LD and then they instead of a slider
plus a draw.
Yeah.
Then on paper, what strategies do you like against the blue master?
I mean sorry, against the shadow fan.
Blue master maybe one and spear breaker, great.
Chen, we saw that in a previous game. You just run through all his creeps pretty sweet.
I guess a concept is to dive him, right? Like with this brew plus SP later on, you just keep
running at this SF, but you do have a double melee off-lane now, which makes SF playing a lot easier,
but I mean, yeah, diving him sounds cool. Like you can also have vision to hunt the next later on
if he does show on his entryward plus ward while he's fighting for heroes.
God, this is hot. This is so hot. I don't think I'd put two pieces together.
You're gonna help me with the hair?
No. I want you to succeed on your own. I'll only drag you down, Mira.
But it's cooperative if you can find some...
I'm in a bad day, alright?
I feel like we should find the outlines. I don't know very much about puzzling, but that's the one thing I know.
What?
Like, to find the ones that are...
He's found a lot of edge pieces already.
Yeah, like, we do the edges.
I need an M.
Uh, m-hack. M-hack? They've got a...
...im-hack, I think.
And here's a dream-hack.
Do they even go to dream-hack?
I don't think those go together. It looks like they do, but they don't...
It's dream-hack. Right there. Dream-hack.
Boom.
Well, what's all this shit here? Like...
That doesn't... I don't think that goes together.
I think we've been misleaded.
Um, it's like a dream. I think it's fitting.
So, doesn't that look like the side of an A?
It's dream-hack.
Yeah. And you have the act?
Yeah, but the E is from Dream.
That's what I'm saying. That's the wrong A.
No, let's take these two.
That's the wrong A.
I need the...
I need the tiny.
I need the tiny.
I need an extreme gaming pick that up,
which now I guess that's nothing to say, Tony.
Yeah, it looks like it.
Yeah, but I think it's going to have a lot to say in this matchup, Neil.
Damn right, Varian.
I don't know why, but it sounded good.
I mean, they're just tripling down now.
I know we're gonna run at you. Yeah, we're just gonna be bruising we're gonna be skirmishing
Did your parents ever tell you that you were cruising for a bruising?
No
When I'm saying also didn't speak English to me so it wasn't like I didn't know phrases like that
It would be weighted in the middle. Can you translate the cruise it for a bruising into Arabic?
There's no not really a cruising for a bruising
I can't think of a similar freezing.
Oh, it's sniping for a viping. Viper is picked up for a mouse.
My parents called me haywannay a lot, which means animal.
By the way, what happens while pouring lava?
It has to heat up a little bit.
It's dying.
It was turned off, because that's a safe thing to do for lava limbs.
It's a living thing. Wake up.
Oh, there we go.
Here's the end fruit.
Oh, yeah, we need an A.
I feel like I don't really understand this tiny mid concept.
We've been seeing it more and more, and I feel like when it's paired up with Kotl, I can kind of see the value.
But other than being like a decent hero against Nyx, I don't really see what the idea here is.
It feels like kind of like a forced, we're gonna pick a stun mid hero that's gonna run around the map and do pressure kind of thing.
Not much in the situation that I feel like called for this tiny pick.
I'm with you, especially because Viper was still in the pool, and now you're Viper,
and your Spirit Breaker is not the type of fort that can help you mid against Viper.
Like, you're gonna charge Viper and he's gonna cross another cox, and...
It feels a bit strange, like, it might be an idea that they'll just survive whatever matchup that he gets.
But it seems unnecessarily risky, though.
I get a little bit of a feeling, because I think Mid-One is also, like, not...
Then one is not like a Yohaj that will insist on me play like the more tempo type mid laners, he will counterpick it, like he's willing to play a lot of different heroes.
Maybe they just didn't think that they would Viper mid, like they just didn't have that read on mid one.
Yeah.
They're like oh no, this guy's a stylistic type of player, he wants to play Storm and Invoker.
I don't know, like I'm looking at Mazen's draft and I feel like they got a lot of what they're really good at, they got their tempest as well as they got an extra damage.
They don't have the instant connection on the next vision
They're gonna have to get that from the offline and Mars gets found out
But any kind of stun links on off-linger with this next assassin plus this SFM Chen just pushing towers together
Like it feels like they're draft
Bits their playstyle perfectly
Whereas for extreme gaming they have to have an incredible amazing last pick for all me
To even endure but yesterday we saw them get a great void last pick for all made they still can't do much with it
Oh, did you guys see lifestealer got picked yesterday?
Oh, yeah, and everyone was like, oh, here's garbage. I was like, isn't life so good?
You know if they feel like they lose.
Did they pick my phone?
And they won.
There you go.
So, you know, just saying.
It's built different.
Oh, the bear man. He won yesterday too, I believe.
He did, and he gets to go into a tide hunter, as that was Malz's 23rd pick.
That is a really nice tide pick. Bam!
Ursa.
No, that's a patient.
Very terrifying.
Though it's not just a tide hunter he has to go into. He also has to beat a shadow
Yeah, and a Viper.
And a Viper.
Ersta, I think, is considered to be quite good against SF if they're on power and farm.
In my mind, SF is so at his peak when he joins this little group of heroes,
they ball up and they just run down their towers,
and usually this timing comes a lot faster than the hard carry timings come to mind.
He's also backed up by a Chen, so there's probably going to be a Solar Crest,
a fake mill given from Divine Favor,
And then Tydon threw around there might even buy a Vlad's he's gonna be probably twice as tanky as NSF normally would be and
Viper to cover him. I feel like this has to have as decent coverage, but if Alma can get strong enough eventually he might also.
I agree with everything you said about their win condition. I just want to express disappointment that yet again they've done another
for a protect one, all eggs and all mazes, Vastakit, and maybe the X factor here is X
success with his brewmaster, like I would look towards him to be the one having a good
game and studying the pace for his team, because Tine is not going to have that, and their
idea of like diving SF, I really hope it works out for them because I can see this game getting
out of hand really quickly, like it's a 10 plus SF plus Viper plus Tide Draft, you can
have Auras from 10 and Tide, and SF is going to be strong early if they don't manage to
kill him online a few times. But I mean it's still winnable, it's just tough.
Yeah, if it's the early game stable and this game kind of just like moodleys itself out,
Miles will hit their timings a lot faster than XG will, and I think that's scary.
What was the motivation for Tidehunter out of, though Underlord and Mars were last bans
by Xtreme, the pool was limited, it's just I need Aura's, go Tidehunter.
Yeah, it's probably they want this type of hero for their draft to work, and then they're
they're looking at like, next is kind of a week later,
they want something that's quite stable,
can play against most things,
and Tide kind of is what's left over.
Do you remember, Tide?
21st night of, ooh, July?
No.
Is it July?
No.
August.
Don't know.
October.
Of September.
September.
Right, right.
September, and the first game of tonight,
presented by Cap.
Let's get you here.
A lot of questions to be answered for Xtreme.
A lot of questions.
Shadowweight is going to have to answer for this draft.
Secular won early pick up of the Brewmaster, a hero that's doing alright in this tournament,
but a hero that is not seen in the first base for any of the previous games of Dream League,
was picked up by Xtreme before in a boss and has always been drafted successfully with
with a range 4 position that is able to do damage, but none of those really apply here for extreme.
This game looks tough for the off-leaders. They both got counterpicked pretty heavily, both in a double melee lane against ranged vibes with a pretty solid carry counterpick.
I'd say the tide is likely to get out of this better than the panda. One, because he's tied, and two, I think Ursa punishes him a little less than SF is going to punish that double melee lane.
Sure, especially since it's, uh, you know, Nix's assassin.
The plan was always going to be him pulling wades anywhere, so it doesn't...
How much does the matchup really matter if that's the game plan to begin with?
Oh my god.
You know what I'm saying?
He kills the creeper, the attack...
Oh god!
They just gave him a bunch of attack speed!
They're going crazy on him!
Oh, one more hit!
The blood grenade from across the screen from the image!
takes double blood grenades and a bunch of HP off of bull celery and boom, but now's get first blood.
Pretty nice golden jacks for this Nixx this past. You get an early boots up in this game,
just go for another pull. Nice little wave blocking. You do get the wave block top so X success.
Also gonna get a lot here on the, at least the first few waves.
That's why I got a pull, the damage got a pull, double melee, off lane, supreme.
If the lane is already pushing in, is there a flank in pulling second wave?
Not always
But because it was gonna push it they was like a winter tower the creepy
Glicker equilibrium was pushing out to their favor. Yeah, I think usually you don't do both
But you can do it just the block camps
Like pull up behind tower and then deny another like a deny a halfway all the way this building good spot for time
in this hour
That snow was yeah, man
Do you think I know the learned a lesson off of that by the way?
Careful of the, the Hellpair Death Aura.
Well he was denying it down, I think he would have denied it for the aura anyway.
Sure, sure, sure, so maybe it's better to kill it to get the gold or something.
So Midlan is going to be pretty nice for mid one, he's going to free farm here, he's
going to eventually destroy NTS, kick him out, especially with the star 12 and 6 to
6 and 0.
Look at Ruff for nothing to say right now.
Slain's might be tough for XG in general, and I feel like a broken record because every game I watch this team that is the position they put themselves in.
Why do they do this? Somebody ask?
That's a good question.
Yeah, I thought it was interesting they drafted Warlock Brewmaster, which was picked up by, I believe, Gamer Legion?
Did that? Or perhaps... Actually, no, no, sorry, Mao's themselves did it.
And they put Warlock in the lane with the Brewmaster against SM.
But then they also had a train protector, so they were like doubled up on protection for brew versus SF.
I think the evasion and magic resist from the brew can be kind of nice against the Shadowfiend.
And you do have kill threat on a mid lane, especially with the level 6.
Like, they're all pressure points for brewing this matchup.
But Old Smilly SF just outscales you, just chunks the pandas down.
Especially level 25 SF, like if it goes to late game.
I'm not gonna be happy just brewing this matchup Old Smilly or what,
matter what, but I guess that's where this breaker plus golem plus version of the
pistol are meant to kick in and just drive Danvers through SFB to be can really
make that scale a lot more difficult for Crystals. I do think actually have nice
late game answers to the Shadowfiend here, but the mid game to me is all mouse.
Their ball is way stronger, particularly with what's gonna happen on the plane. I
just don't see it as tiny. Having any impact early here because he's gonna be so
far behind. And nobody can help him. Can't gank this Viper.
Yeah, Spirit Breaker is going to make a charge for it, but it would only be effective if
mid-1 was like midway through a tower dive or something.
Nice bash.
Did get a little lucky on the bash, yeah, and it cleared out enough for nothing to say
to get 2 CS.
Value right there, up to 10. Double digits, he has as many last hits as the Viper has
denies means their neck and neck fatal bonds on the two of them here two
versus three charge going on to the viper with the avalanche there's gonna be a
lot of damage here don't finish off that is going to be a double kill for
nothing to say that is unexpected just take your hand and jump some of these
bashes going into a fight but really it's a decent spell power of the spear
All of a sudden, NTS, he's back.
From losing this lane terribly, getting out the 9 horribly to double kill.
Top net worth?
Damn.
I don't think I've really seen early moves connect for XG in a while.
That was unexpected on multiple levels.
Uh-oh.
I'll get a little punishment for that one. Missed the toss back on the Viper.
That's okay. After those kills, he's chilling.
That salvaged that landing phase a lot for extreme gear and I think they have to keep looking for some cheeky stuff like this with the breaker
I kind of like that if I was roaming like you're not going to win top anyway, you can spam pulls up there, but
It's a first big brew master against the shadow fiend. There's only so much you're going to do. I'd rather you look for
Maybe kills on this tide with the Ursa chase down like the kills on mid as we saw
Or if you're going to go top with the breaker, bring heroes through the gate and just gank
the shadow.
If you make this game more chaotic.
It is really funny watching the two different useless four positions match up against each
other.
Alright, so Seller's doing the same play here, where he's got a deniable creep to give the
death row aura if there's a possibility that X-XS is in swinging range.
This is kind of a way too.
You could just start laying into the tower.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Shadow fiend can definitely force heroes off the waves with the creeps over and it's gonna be stopped by a fly free bit of gold for him
It's kind of value getting the potato off the field
So all the things that we theorize none of them yeah, nothing's happening people just farm and look for power
There'll be a stop strong rune. You are just scary has to take it though. No bottle
Doesn't quite have his level 6, nothing to say he's too far back to really go, so this
is likely to be a wasted haste room.
We see a boom operating on the tranquil boots.
The tech is spreading.
Okay, yeah, yeah, you're just immediately gonna be viper struck.
into this ball was ambitious. I mean he's trying to clear out some of these
crutes in like catapult with the bonds going through. That is not a play you can
make right there. Good cliff timing that'll dodge. They'll send up killing the
catapult. Maybe you can argue that's worth it strategically, though did he have
to do that to accomplish that? Probably not. He did. Because the toss pulled the
creep wave as is so. Still charging his Viper TP in bottom. He doesn't have Viper
strike to stop Bombay so Bombay is gonna eat him up real quick here. That is
rough mouths kind of getting outmaneuvered by extreme you can do that stuff to try and
secure this wisdom shrine did you get both though that's pretty big that it's big if
they hadn't lost like that double kill in the mid lane right because they got so much experience
off of that kind of evens it out yeah exactly rare that you're evened out after winning
both shrines but that is the case here with some nice kills off this breaker and now you
You have panel top
That's not really gonna go back top here. He's ganging in oh going into the brewmaster level six
This is dangerous
Apostolus has no TP. Yeah, he's just gonna have to run away
Even if he doesn't die here like he's it's a whole lot of time where he's not doing anything right runs runs through the lane
Goes to gate now runs out of the lane not hitting any creeps
And when the tower pushes in there's no way you're gonna be able to hit that
8 minute power rune, ends up being bottom invisibility.
House? Kinda getting outmaneuvered in this early game.
Yeah, they are.
Their heroes are fairly static, so this is one of the risks with these ball lineups is in early or to early mid.
You can get run around on the map, and that can be the strength of Spearbreaker connecting to plays.
Gonna need a chance. It's fun, okay?
Well, he missed everything, but he kinda did his job, forced the other two back.
Again though, are you staying up here with this SF? I think it's brutal.
Apparently with Ravage they want to try. It's going to be risky though.
I don't know if I like this.
Yeah, this just kind of feels like you're forced to Ravage.
Now you're forced to follow up stun and requiem into that one if they can burst him down,
but it's not looking good for it. He gets it off.
Oh man, mouse.
Now they're just going to get crushed here.
I think the SF is dead with the fatal bombs and an avalanche on two.
Might just get another kills.
Yamage is going to be in some trouble.
trouble got the toss to finish off the SF toss up of the air on the Viper out of
here with the tornado salary quick to disengage it with the purge other than
that everybody's just gonna disengage successful counter for extreme up to
thousand net worth now he was on the magic resistance from full HP so you
got to go through extra magic resist brew on top of that he has the extra
status resistance from liquid courage so it's another 13% status that's going in
there off your chain stunning with all this match damage I just felt like that
was a kill that was never gonna happen before you get told yeah don't forget his
whole yeah liquid courage lower 50% so that was kind of ambitious to go for
that and I feel like they were locked in once the tide teepees up there booms like
I got it something off this play again you're just getting out maneuver in this
game you end up losing your SF trying to fight into the strong steel on the map
He might lose him again here.
Very...
He's so caught in the war.
Golem gotta be dropped on him, they still have a charge.
He does have ice armor, so it makes it a little annoying here, but...
Just overwhelming stun power.
And all of a sudden, next year, straight winning this early game.
Despite being in the second group stage of the first place, I don't think any of their wins looked like this.
No, this is one of the faster games we've seen, not that this is incredibly fast.
by any general match, except for them.
It's like, oh, damn.
Yeah.
The hell's going on in this one?
So taking advantage of the fact, again,
that mouse's lineup is pretty slow here.
It's not that easy for them to TP in and turn
into these places, at least until the Viper has
boots of travel.
Then it goes up.
Celery's got to stop beating away these creeps, the tiny.
He just keeps tossing them onto the weak, you know,
summon, then kills it every time.
It's like 60 gold.
I think at this point I actually are in a really good position.
I don't think they were supposed to win the early game this far in terms of lanes.
Be this far.
Like they have the, they lost both wisdom shrines, but they're ahead in XP.
That says a lot.
They have a Midas Brew who killed the enemy SF, took tower.
This tiny got out of a Viper lane.
The Ursa's been pre-farming this whole time.
He's going to have battle very soon.
It's a very good Ursa game.
That's the one pick I really like to distract is like good matchups against
pretty much everybody here. Yeah, Viper's Viper. There's not a lot of stopping
her since you're gonna have to have items to do it.
And he is well on his way to a battle theory. I feel like extreme another bump
up if they could just cruise this is it through this area. Nothing to say doesn't
die and he gets his blink dagger. Once he gets blink dagger, the world kind of opens up.
I agree. You don't have to force anything dumb right now. I think you can even just
kind of play off gold for the worlds. Damn, look at Omage just swinging on the tower. He
says you're going to keep pulling creep waves behind the tower. Well, I'll take the tower.
He's so rich. Battle fury on the way. That's a 12 minute battle fury, man. Level 10, by the way,
because he's just getting soul XP down here. Part of like the Nyx issue. We've seen this Nyx for
mouse. I genuinely like the images, Nix. I think it's crazy good. He always finds a
way back into the game. It always looks a little bleak, but then he finds a couple
vendetta kills and then he has super high impact on team fights with this like
Blink Max Carapace build that I like more and more the more I see it. Yep. I just
feel like occasionally you are gonna end up in a game where you don't find those
comeback kills. And I haven't seen it yet, but it could be really rough when it
happens. Got the stun onto the tiny, that is rough. Beto Bonds plus the golem drop is
going to do a lot of damage mid one, they got to be a little careful with that. They
should still be able to get the kill on the tiny, but got to be careful of the Guru Master
split. Fortunately with the Chen heals, it keeps the Viper healthy. Boom, shouldn't be
a problem here. They're going to go out to the Chen, not a stun from the damage though.
That was beautiful, I'm trying to get involved but now they're being body blocked by Yem and
trying to stay in front of FY to keep mid one in range to hit the slows. Now he got
level six hits the vendetta got another kill off bit makes this ass and making
those comeback plays that's a waste of team fight for actually that's a gold
drop that's a panda old brought on the end of the play get nothing out of it
against this pain to time under on the front line okay now the stunt goes out
on all me but he already popped the enrage you get the hits in to finish off
one hero toss the villagers off celery chrysalis gets off a requiem to save the
three cores, but Maus just dumbled into that one. They won the initial fight. The charge
is coming out. There's no way they can't stop him. Maybe with the gush, the ultimate's
going to go out and fly. Now the toss in, they got him.
That they just... I think we've seen this a couple times in this event where teams are
just lazy in front of these towers against Wulc.
Yeah, yeah.
He just kept Omega punished. That was a four man pawns, I believe. He did not get all five,
but it was damn close.
What happened? Like, did they not respect the death timers that all of them is just like...
They take it all live. It's just the tide has purged.
Got a creep.
That's just disgusting value point.
I mean, they don't have ravage?
Even without, like, Fatal Bonds.
Say somehow the Fatal Bonds doesn't...
You're still lining up for a, like, three or four-man Avalanche toss.
That's just like a brain-off moment.
Oh, we want to team-fight to use all their spells. They're weak guys.
It's uh, oh
Yeah, they're not that weak we kind of gave that one to him. Well, he's mid once in high spirits
It's like yeah, we really fucked that one up. Oh guys
I don't know if he's gonna be laughing soon because I'll make out a
Huge cold injection off that in the game where he was already well ahead. He's got blink dagger
But what is this time? He has battle for you get the full ursa kit plus blink at 15 flat
Yeah, he was two minutes ahead on the battle fury timing now
He's gonna be I feel like this blink dagger timing is gonna be even faster
Same time as Tiny gets it, basically, you know, still like, on top of an entire battle.
14 seconds and the patch fastest.
Standing up on X-XS here, but nothing to say.
He's already made the counter-rotation and caught them both. Tossed the supports together.
The damage is going to hit a stun on as many heroes as possible and make a run for it.
Head for the hills, but both of them should die.
I
Caught the wrong part of the map against the spearbreaker that's a death sentence
Man this support you got a lot more done than I thought I was gonna get done in this game
I think some of that is miles kind of give it to him
like 217027 I mean that's
14 assists between them in the first playing stages game
ridiculous. It starts with the double kill at the bottom. Like both of these are very
experience dependent supports. Warlock even more so because he's got the
tome where those early kills give him the experience on top. Yeah, they gave him the
grimoire which gives you the golem kill for the fight top. Everything's still well
fractional about that play and they lost with the trunks so if they don't get that
they were absolutely screwed this game. Yeah, I'm just gonna actually come and fight the
build god! This is scary! He gets off the enrage, he gets the Aegis, everything is safe, the
The Ravage is going to go off, but at least he's got this extra life.
He's going to Vipe Boom until the death.
There he goes.
FY still stuck in the pit as well, in some trouble.
On the second life though, Aame, what are you going to do?
Are you going to fight or are you going to run?
He's going to make a run.
Primal Split trying to disengage, and Aame wants to come back in, hits by the stud.
Remember, you don't have to rage anymore.
Uh-oh, hit by the Reguium's flow down.
Not enough hits from the Viper.
Not enough follow up from the rest of Maus.
He will manage to get away without dying.
That could have been a disaster for Extreme.
That is very close to being a disaster with double stuns going through on everybody.
Blows through your Aegis, actually don't really get a lot out of that other than taking Roche early,
which will put the other one on that side of the map, which is nice for them.
Sure.
Issue is that's a level 1 Bruelty, doesn't have Ags yet, and he's a level 11,
so it's just not impactful in that fight. The pipe was done for the tide.
Mouses are way stronger in that group, but with mech pipe.
So, looking for some charge plays here, you can always do.
That was a very scary fight for XG.
I think they're lucky to get out of that the way they did.
Yeah.
Now, if Aame doesn't get that Aegis, it's giving this somebody on Maus, the damage, is able
to snatch it away or something, they kill Aame early, probably run down more heroes
more aggressively.
Cause this Maus is timing too, like they just got Hags on Viper, he skipped the boots of
travel.
I had the pipe untied, the mech gen.
Kind of like a triple aura timing in a sense.
Yeah, shout out to mid one for not going to boots of travel.
I feel like that's the normal place to go boots of travel,
but this game is going so horrifically.
You've got to get some stat items.
Up your team fight a little bit.
FY, barely survives through the benzetta hit.
How does he look?
Power of that status resistance.
Even one level of bulldoze, 40%.
I'm gonna try and force some objectives here if you're in the house.
One of the better timings in this game. Yeah, you're far behind, but you're still very strong in the group up.
There's some tier 1s to collect. 3, in fact. None of these towers have gone down.
And if they don't do so soon, you're about to be fighting into a level 3 primal split.
He's got level 2 and the axe is almost done.
Exactly, the flying out now.
The power spike practice is insane here.
It's a really nice timing, perfectly on time with the level up, so level 3, Brawled.
Definitely strong enough to fight into this ball. Like, the damage increases insane.
Especially since you can toss the Viper here.
Like, Mouse's ball becomes a lot weaker if the Viper just gets perma-tossed at fights.
Yeah.
They lose so much damage, it becomes entirely SF-dependent.
Which, I think his buying is you go later, because SF is, I mean, it's heroes just like giga-carry, but in these early fights, it could be problematic if you lose one of your primary damage dealers, and SF can't stand his ground.
He's screaming, they spot Yamich, Yamich gets off the spike,
care-based, he's only gonna be in trouble here.
Viper strike on in, they still wanna take this fight.
Understandably so, it's just a Nix assassin.
But they gotta be careful, his Ami is lurking here.
So is Boom though, packing him up.
He shows himself, puts a little pressure on Ami.
The pressure's gonna come right back though,
Ami's not afraid of him.
Especially with the Brawl sitting here,
like actually ready to take a fight.
Yeah Boom, he's probably gonna get tossed back.
Yeah, he's gonna be tossed back into him.
Now he's gonna be forced to rap. He's not gonna get it off
But they call him drop over the top that ravage. He's got no it was already dead
I mean that even if you ravaged there, you're just hitting pandas and you're already dead
I think I've ever seen
Ever seen him all chat in Carol
That's wild to me
He must really hate him.
I mean, legitimately, Extreme came into this game.
They woke up today.
Yeah.
Early morning.
I wonder if there's some extra motivation somewhere in there.
Mid-1, he's gonna die to Ami as well.
Likely.
Oh, god, the feet of Banzos!
The battle spirit!
Yeah, but Chouoxinni just dies alongside the rest now, Christmas!
They're gonna stun, play it slow, let Ami go after, we'll toss off the Requiem, and
There you go, that is a team wipe without Chen.
Extreme gaming will take four off the board and go do Tormentor up 9k.
This game is looking pretty dusted.
I mean, it's getting real rough.
Again, you can always toss one of these cores and there's not much else to do about it.
Like, how do you have damage in the fight?
This avalanche is a really good tool against the Tidehunter too.
I think people forget.
They're not used to this matchup being better for Tiney now than it used to be.
Used to be very Tide favored.
Yeah, but with this new combo, I think it goes the other way a bit more.
Yeah, tossing Tiny out of position and then guaranteeing stun.
He's so brutal.
Yeah, it's really rough.
That's your BKB for the Ursus now.
He's just a god in the fight.
A little mini static storm.
Ah, the Panas.
Panas doing work this game.
That was first pick, but there's nothing really to counter it.
That's another thing we didn't consider is like, you gave him Shadowfiend, you did get some good counters to SF, they got Brew, but like, who is threatening Brew in this game?
And to me this hero, I think he's been pretty strong in this patch, we just don't see him as much as we should.
So I feel like every game we see him with this axe build, it's pretty spooky like, he just kind of takes fights over, he does a lot of damage.
There's a lot of ways you can itemize this hero, you can build the auras, you can scale, he could be a nuisance as a frontliner,
he can be like a Roche Secure.
IA's middle tower is under attack.
There's the AC second here, for X-XX, that's pretty cool.
A way to deal with the Minus Armor here, also amp up the Earth's physical burst.
Yeah, you're gonna have to be very, you're gonna have to...
I mean, what is he doing? I thought he was gonna cut a wave or something,
but he's not begins the spear breakers, though.
Maybe looking for couriers or something, he's coming out to lane to farm.
farm but just gonna be a group smoke from from actually here with the bkb timing on me so damn
strong and to the sf oh he kills the way backs off so they check out the triangle see if the sf
is going to farm the ancients he's not successful scan and mouse be able to dodge this play just
It's just gonna be such an early second-roach here.
Can Malz get to anything to contest that.
You're looking for Crimson on the Viper.
You went Flads on Tide, so it's double aura course here.
All in on the SF damage.
Which again, I think normally is fine,
except he can get tossed, like.
That's why, feigning ignorance.
When I look at Jump Tier, charge away, not in time.
hard to do so against the spy carapace
with some lasting presence
souls for crystals
something going for them
they do have a gem on the warlock though
they might give it to the baru
pretty good gem holder in this game
i'm like every xx guy's gonna die anytime soon
fact has not died at all
one zero and eight
huh, it's not a great game
Double armor items, AC and Chivas, Xtreme is going to be cooking.
They had at Planet versus SSF.
Yeah.
It might not.
Like, I don't think it's some complete outdrafting and shadowfiend.
Oh, you know, you can't push for shadowfiend because otherwise you get horse of spearburger.
Like, it's not that brutal.
But they're adding up a lot of little things to make his life difficult.
It's a solo damage asset that can get tossed.
The bruise a tough target with this AC.
Then they're going to have double armor for his minus armor.
they're gonna have a lot of BKB peers. So if you're Christolson's game do you
even want to go early BKB on this Shadowfiend? It doesn't feel useful here.
So he's thinking about going Silver Edge. Another entryway into the fight
and normal ability. He's super susceptible to just getting all in from this BKB
Ursa. He's gonna at some point have an Epistle as well. Already dash or done.
I like all the little things actually you're doing to mitigate this SS value
as I still low on 4 for the second one.
Find a breaker again, apply it, doing some scouting, might live.
There's a Lotus.
Going to Ravage, trying to...
Oh, Toss back on the Viper!
What an entry from nothing to say!
Aume trying to bring down this Viper as quick as possible.
It looks like they got him stuck here.
He already used to jump away, the Fatal Blonds is doing some damage to the rest of the backline,
and with the Toss, they'll finish him off.
They get Tossed, yes, they can here.
They get Tossed up the Tide, make sure there's no Ravage to deal with.
It's purged away, throw the avalanche on him, now trying to finish him off to get off the
ravage.
Follow-up stun, into the requiem, Ami's going to take a lot here, but they jump in from
X-XS, he's going to disrupt the SF, Ami turns back, kills the tight-hitter, Chryslis has
nothing left to defend himself, X-XS just blinks on him and there's nothing they can
do about it.
No chance to win that fight this second that costs Avalanche on this, because the Tiny
can disengage, this is a four-staff Tiny, he goes in, he sets that combo up, he's instantly
out of the fight. And then your Viper's just getting beat on by Brulings. What's the counter
play? You gonna ravage Brulings? Or are you gonna use your few Requiem on Brulings? Like,
there's no clear target. Super disruptive.
I'll just debate on this break or two with three points of the bulldoze, drum charge,
little extra healing, he gets out. Then all of a sudden you're stuck in a rough team fight
here. Tiny up to the high ground, the Bonds hits four, gets dispelled on one, but everybody else
has still blinked his Viper. I love that Aumei backs off here, but he knows the Viper's dead.
He doesn't overextend himself, he just resets and looks for another Aumei to
brew, control the fight, right? Yeah. Even this, where he jumps in on the Amlanche, the Rigo.
Confident that he's going to be able to survive through the response. Now he's in range, so he's
I mean, Christoph just can't hit me, really.
He's either tossed for the first half or the second half, he's getting split off from
the Tidehunter.
Very difficult to connect the control and the damage here.
For now, their ball is strong, but the...
It's only strong if they can be the ones forcing the objectives.
Like, if they're the ones doing Roshan, actually, if they have to fight into them, I think it
would go a bit better.
Oh, yeah.
You can position better around the Shafi, but everything has been a reaction so far.
You lose the early game like this.
Snowballs, 16,000 net worth lead for extreme 18-8, and they're looking for that next Roshan.
It's a pretty slow spawn, but it was done so early in this game.
Still up fast, and it is on the radiant side here.
Sheva's done for that, Tiny, AC done for the brew, the armor items are online.
Dude, X-Nova has had such a successful game.
Look at his net worth.
His 9,000 net worth, the tide is 10-7.
The shard helps, who's sat up a little bit, but yeah.
He's cooking.
Two thousand gold in the bank.
Get another four staff or something.
Actually, they're just smoking in the mouse.
Nobody would say this is okay for mouse, but the toss backs have been super disruptive.
They do have a blink on the tides.
They can go for an initiation of their own, but you don't really want to just go blink in and rabbit.
I mean, if you catch the tiny first, if Yamich was to spot him, that would be an excellent grab.
Mid ones actually got to hit him here.
Oh, of course that puts him the wrong way. Still has a haste room though. He can get out.
They're gonna drop the golem to disrupt some of this, but you'll have to win off.
That's gonna stop it. Now they hit the Ravage on him. Nothing to say is down first.
Yammich will survive for now. Beta wants kill on him. Okay, they got him.
They finish him up with the rest of the final split, running him down mid one.
He's gonna be kited around a lot. Here comes the Ursa with a VKB.
That's a Viper dead. And Ami blinking for more, chasing after the SF.
They're gonna toss up the SF, go for time. Now if they change their mind, Ami says,
I want the SF! Fy with the charge, stops him from running, and Ame with the triple godlike, maybe a beyond, nope.
Boom's gonna be able to blink back to base successfully. One for four exchange, and that's with Mounds, finding the opening to kill nothing to save first.
That could've even gone worse. If he forced us to the low ground, which was his plan, I think he got screwed up with the patting error.
Like, he effectively will avalanche them all and get to low ground and then that fights
a disaster for the house.
They're able to pick him off with some nice, like nice guns and, uh, ULs to dispel the
haste room here from the image, doesn't get the vendetta hit, but you gotta do what you
gotta do.
It just takes so many spells to bring this guy down, and at this point, toss the SF,
fights kinda over, right?
First they're just gonna go to town on these isolated heroes, the SF can't deal any damage
to back against Koss twice here in sequence. Tide has no ravage to bail you out. It's like,
oh, it's time to just kill this mess up with our good carry matchup. You have unlimited stunts at
this point. That first hit for Maus has to win the fight. They have to get at least two heroes
off the ravage. The asset has to be in the middle of it.
It was in the sun here, still has BKB and Bulbos, so he can get out of this.
Oh, that's devoralizing.
Here's just so far behind on that worth now, and a swift blink done for the Ursa, Aegis
in attack for 4 minutes.
Ame is ready to slice and dice here.
Oh, BKB on spare breaker guys, we can...
That's true.
Force a fight.
Look for the play?
Well, this is not the fight that they wanted.
Running into the two tankiest frontliners.
Such tough targets for the nicks to go on.
The brew with all the extra magikers is...
You don't want to go on this tiny...
Not anymore.
And the progression for Chris Flis has been...
No, he's gotten a Shadow Blade after like in the last, what, eight minutes?
There's one progress.
There's one progress.
It's faster on Swift Blink.
The records continue to roll in for Amazersa.
I have myself a perfect game here.
9-0-5.
700 GPM.
It's cruising.
Two Tormentor real quick for his team.
You can get in the all-chat.
That's how you know he's in the zone right now.
Yeah.
Now, FY gets assured.
Dio, I'll scan.
A little extra upgrade.
Mid-Won hops right into X-XS.
He asked a Viper Strike right away.
They know they can't really kill the Brewmaster.
Ooh, barely got up to the high ground.
Still got tossed, though.
Still got knocked down the high ground, and now...
Okay, up, down, up, down, up, down.
It's just so easy to pop the snicks with the...
the second-avel inch lands.
Oh yeah, did you talk about that? That's another matchup that was never that good for Nick's
assassin, but at least he could spike care of me some big way through at the ledge.
Way worse now.
She's gonna split for the buildings with the banner.
Early glyph here, so these buildings are...
Knoss back on the side, Hunter, into on me.
Too easy, man.
Too easy.
He's not even gonna ravage, because what's the point?
60 seconds, that'd be Bowser's
They got a tier two bottom, but these heroes this base
It's not long for this world
And even with the break on him, Chris was just gonna go for a point blank requiem
It's the only hope unfortunately for them. They have a
Nix's death and on the same team so plenty of centuries out on the field.
I'm like bashed. That sums up this game. Yep
Dominating performance from XG, this is looking like way crisper, more aggressive, more fluid
team than we saw yesterday.
You can argue against us slightly, we throw money here as Maus, I don't think are performing
up to the standards we know this team can.
Yeah, no, not at all.
It looked a little shaky, but I still like XG's ideas better, not what they wanted to
do with their lineup compared to yesterday where it just looked like what are we even
doing in these games, you know?
Yeah.
combination of like this is one of the worst mouse performances and one of the
best extreme gaming performances and it is turned into a very one-sided slaughter
as a result. I think that puts the talking about how you know extreme being
in the facility extreme is there way earlier than liquid maybe they're just
early morning early morning team. They look fantastic man, EGG out but the
The bullets gonna die to Aame before the GG even hits.
One of the better games we've seen for them in terms of they gave some strong heroes,
they gave Maus a lineup that is very stereotypy Maus, through and through.
A lot of people say, why are you gonna do this?
Why are you gonna fight for SF Chen?
Like, are you crazy?
SF is the most successful hero of Dream League, 32 games, 68% win rate.
But they dominate this hero.
They got a good carry matchup with the Ursa.
They had some BKB pierced that just waited for stalls from going early BKB that maybe
needs his game.
The Broomaster didn't work this game, 1-0-21 for X-X-S, with early AC.
The itemization's there to deal with the minus armor.
They have the toss for a lineup that's really dependent on two cores in the fight for SF
both beating the fights that deal damage.
One of them gets tossed, you lose half your damage.
The other ones get jumped by the Ursa, you lose 100% of your damage.
It's just high to run around.
I like the idea of the fights, like I think they played this lineup to perfection.
Every pursuit gameplay from Extreme, they are awake here on group stage two.
And the gameplay is a product of the draft as well.
Jalway came correct.
Oftentimes there are question marks whenever Jalway allows some of the better heroes of a patch or of a team to split through.
But more often than not, he is right.
Just like the famous examples are the opposite.
But he gets to those finals because he makes the right decisions.
and Aiden, it seems that it was just as you had posited, maybe they're getting, letting
Mavs get these good heroes because they have a solution for them and it looks like they
did.
I mean, I think it's honestly not exclusively a draft.
I think this was a lot of really cool moves done by XG to kind of offset the weaknesses
of their draft.
Like, this tiny matchup against the Viper, he was off to not that good of a start, but
then they do a lot of cool moves to kind of shift that up and hopefully we'll have some
steps to look at that later.
I agree with Aiden.
I think while this draft idea was great,
and I love that they believed in their own concept,
I think this game looked a lot easier to an observer
than what it actually was.
Like that first 10 minutes,
there was a lot of pressure on Extreme Gaming
to create opportunities before SNOW will happen
in the opposite direction.
And I think the thing that to me that spit out the most
was the ability for Extreme Gaming support
to create that double kill situation for NTS on this tiny,
Because if he hadn't gotten that double kill at the rune that they fought for around 6 minutes, I believe, if that was what it was, that game would have been miserable for him.
So they created opportunities on the map where they could. They endured where they could.
And even the push that Maus was doing, like, they did not hesitate.
The second NTS respawned, the instant TP in Fatal Vaughn's Avalanche.
You could argue that that was a mistake on the side of Maus for overstaying a little bit too long.
But these little things that they did, had they gone wrong, they could have easily been run over so
I bring this up just to say that this game was a lot harder than it looked like in the first 10 minutes
and Xtreme getting played extremely well, pun intended.
Yeah mid lane push which initially I was like okay the shadow fiend is starting to come online now
he's joining the fight and then as Avery remarked maybe a little bit of laziness Ted as they stuck around a little bit too much
did not respect the warlock he plops down a fatal bonds everyone evaporates.
It's been in every game.
You can't forget this hero exists.
Woolock is in a lot of these games.
You must remember, did we see it the other day?
There was a fight, they were like,
oh, I guess we just know what the time is thinking Lamal.
And then Woolock just goes kaboom, drops the rock,
fatal bombs, and is like, oh no,
who died now, the game is completely flipped.
Stop doing this.
You know he's in the game.
It's crazy.
So yeah, it's just a brain fart, I think.
It happens, it always seems to be the towel push.
The teams just forget everyone else exists, group up, and just get owned by some AOE
spell like that.
So, yeah.
But like Mirage said, XG, I thought their draft was good.
I was talking to Aiden about it, actually, while we were eating lunch.
And he said their draft is good when you're ahead.
Like, the XG draft looks much better when the tempo is in your favor, and you're just
able to take a kill, then another kill, another kill.
But I thought it was just a really nice, well-rounded draft when it got to this point in the game.
What is Chen and Nick's doing versus the Spirit Breaker, the Tiny, the Brew?
That's just so scary. So I feel like, and the Warlock as well, he's there.
If you're winning the fight, it gets even worse for them, and if the fight isn't going well and you get jumped,
it's a nice fight reset with the Golem.
So I think it was a good draw from them.
And yeah, like the two analysts here said, really well executed by XG.
Who knew? I didn't back them.
Well, I mean, it's a full best of three.
Well, yeah, that's true.
This is the full best of three, but we can at least take a look at some of the highlights from this game number one, Aiden, what did you have your eye on?
So I was kind of looking at the early game, I feel like this game to me had a pretty tricky lane setup, and the way to solve it was to get Tiny online somehow.
So we have this moment here on the bottom lane, where they managed to force the Viper to TP in, as well as the SF.
And this is quite unnatural, you know, like Ursa has not really considered the strongest hero,
but they're abusing the lane advantage that they have in this bottom lane to force TP's to buy Tiny some space,
and then later on as soon as blue hits six they're gonna collapse on this top
side of the map and once again tiny's gonna connect and collect some more
kills and creating these kind of opportunities back to back leaves it
makes it so that tiny has purpose if tiny's just stuck on the mid lane
laning against viper he's gonna be miserable the entire time but as you
can tell from the net worth after that TP bottom tiny's already higher than the
viper in net worth and then when this top move as well he's now like top two
net worth in the game and this is not it looks simple but finding those timings
are so clutched because if you don't do it in those that like two to three minutes
span it's just never gonna happen. Tiny's gonna be so shut down and this
conversation would have been why are they playing Tiny, Tiny's a bad hero, Tiny
doesn't work against Viper like you can't be disrespecting miles like that but
when you're able to find these really clutch moves and do these like small
temple things you you can play bad matchups because you have a way to work
around it. I mean, again, I fully agree with that. This game was a lot harder than it looked
like for extreme gaming, but the difficulty was in those first three minutes. And for
them to be able to do that, it makes me feel good about what they've talked about and what
they've learned. But I would also say that for a mouse, getting these heroes and losing
with them must feel awful. Like getting your first pick SF and not winning, getting your
China not winning something I don't know maybe maybe they got caught off guard or
maybe they're still a little bit sleepy just because I just feel like while
extreme being played incredibly well they had a really quiet game on the
side of mouth it feels like the moves were wrong and they were just one step
behind too. It could be maybe too much of a good thing because Aiden in the
example that you provided of sometimes I like getting my loan druid extreme
gave me my loan druid, how often are you able to get that, and all the other things that
you like having?
Well, usually you don't, but the point of it is that if you do, you should win, because
you should know how to execute it, right?
But I think in this situation, if I was talking for a mouse's coach perspective, something
that a concept and dota in general is like you want to play where you're strong, and
This is a mistake that people make in all brackets of Dota where they will try to TP into an area where they're weak
My Tidehunter is not strong against Ursa. He's getting slapped
He's not having a strong game and they decided to TP over to try to salvage that position
But you're moving from where you're strong where you're shutting down the Tiny to where you're weak to try to salvage like a bad situation
But best-case scenario you get an Ursa kill and then Tide's back to getting slapped by Ursa 30 seconds later
While Tiny is really like the key hero to make the XG draft come online and work
and I wish they would have centered their pressure around mid rather than
responding to the pressure that XG was applying. And this can be quite hard to
recognize when you're in the game because you know you see your teammate dying, you
want to TP and you want to help them or your experience being pressured but this
is really where like the absolute top teams separate themselves from the rest.
Because I think for example in this game it would have been nice if they could
have applied the same pressure on the offlane, dodged the matchup somehow, or create pressure
on mid so that there's no dive on the experience sooner in the game.
Things that maybe have justified the Tiny Pick, extreme gaming, they woke up, had some
tea this morning, Ted, at the Liquid facility.
At the Alienware training facility.
I suppose that we have seen a lot of Tiny, obviously he's been banned and picked a lot,
Succeeding as a four whenever it's been played minutes look kind of math
I think the win rate for it is actually quite bad
But maybe XG like like Aiden was saying they were like, okay, we know this hero is good
But we need to get him to the point where he can actually do tiny shit
And so how do we do that and these rotations and these clutch moments is what does it?
So I don't think a lot of teams can just mash tiny mid and succeed in the same way because they've tried and they have them
You know for the evidence is there, but look they did figure out a way to actually make it work
Whether it was all them or whether Maus misplayed as well, I'm not confident enough to say, but I thought it was a really good game.
It was the best I've seen actually play so far when we've seen them.
And now, maybe we'll see if Maus are able to amount a recovery, because it's just a game one of a best of three.
Let's see what solutions Maus have as we get ready for game number two.
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are on fire right now a dominant game one victory against a mouse the mouse that may
have had some weaknesses exposed. We saw yesterday that maybe they're leaning on meta ideas can't
be as strong. Now we're seeing that even if they get things like a first pick SF they
They are still able to get defeated.
Be that in gameplay or be that in draft, it all comes together, and Extreme Gaming have
a pretty solid advantage now, coming into game 2.
You said they're on fire Neil, but I need to see them win this series, and then my faith
is restored.
That's fair.
The difference now is there's no Extreme Gaming in the last pick, and to me that's pretty
huge because if it weren't for the Ursa pick absolutely crushing the Tidehunter on Warlock
I wouldn't have been freed up. Like join these power entrants to join all these guys.
When Xtreme didn't have Fristick I'm a bit more concerned for them. When they do have
Fristick I also want to see the carry come out earlier. I feel like they've succeeded
when they've been able to pick a Caz or a One Ranger early on in the draft for all night
on first pick, and then just give NTS whatever is left basically.
I kind of like this from Malz.
I don't know if DK is like a first pick worthy hero for any other team,
but I feel like when they have this hero, it seems to just solve a lot of issues for them.
Even the current state of DK, you wouldn't even give first pick to Falcons.
You don't think they'd care that much about the hero?
I don't think so.
It's just like based on watching Malz,
I feel like it's not like they have 100% winner of a DK. They have like 60% win rate
But there's something about when they play DK that it feels like
It checks the wall of the boxes that they have a hard time checking with other players
so I
Kind of like this film
I think draft ways too like the DK allows them to not have to pick double supports
Yeah, get early on yeah, and that gives them at least one good support matchup
Because when they're picking double supports and all their carry heroes are banded out,
like, they just don't lend their sidelines.
But now, like, you can take a little bit of time and build at least one strong sideline.
Damn it, I really thought that piece was gonna go there, so I'm on the bench.
Ugh.
The dimensions are messing with us on this.
It's just so messed up.
Warlock gets banned out, so they, I feel like if you're a mouse right now, you're looking
at your list of supports which we saw near us presentation day to day.
It's quite small, and they're probably gonna look to pick Yamash or Celery here, coming
up out of the, after the span.
Warlock's been taken out, it's been Celery's like go to, I feel like.
So probably gonna be a Yamash hero or some Thugna.
our edge?
Interesting.
Neil, you can see why disco balls, or whatever they were called before, they were called
disco balls.
Because they predate disco.
It's really, it is very nice.
Look at the effect we've got on the room here, the shine light on this disco ball, reflections
all over the room, it's magical.
I feel like the room is moving.
It does what it feels like.
Yeah.
Imagine if you're drunk, believe me, it's complicated.
I think that is something that you should do versus XG because I've been harping about
this and I feel like I'm beating it that course at this point, you know, with this point that
I'm about to make, but I really think when you think about XG now, 2026 XG, you have
to think about playing around the mid lane because that's when they win.
They went when we see, like, FY moved Batman Lin.
They went when we see NTS enabled and not getting
completely thrown at.
Yeah, we just saw that.
They should have learned, yeah.
So, Enchantress, it's not like Chun.
Chun kind of sits on Sidelanes and, like, waits a little bit
until he bites his spine, gets the aura.
But Ench, with her creeps, he can move mid early on
and try to push the tower with, like, the first
fengish wave of enemies.
Yeah, absolutely.
He's a heart that makes it a potential.
I mean, Celery is arguably one of the best, if not the,
like, it's like, let's say, him,
snaking, definitely names that come to mind when taking the best of chapter's players.
Celery has this unique thing that he almost always does in every game, which is he will
play in the enemy triangle very early on, and what this does is it prevents the enemy team
from stacking triangles.
And in modern Dota we talk a lot about the economy and how important it is to play for
stacks, and the most important stacks are usually the triangle ones.
This is what accelerates your mid laner, your off laner, and when he does this it kind of
It prevents you from stacking it up and playing it out naturally the way you're used to.
And it kind of forces the mid hero on the floor to coordinate a lot and try to kick him out of the triangle.
So for XG I think it's important to find heroes that allow them to do that.
I would say Phoenix is not that good of an option.
The damage is a bit too slow and Shatras can get all the heroes up and won't really get bursted.
So I think Solari is quite happy with this matchup.
Maybe they're looking towards like a Void Spirit with a Vessel or an Ember Spirit with a Vessel at the very end
or on the 18 pick for XG because if you've got this Vessel up from a Spirit here with high mobility
and then you have the Phoenix Sunray behind you, then that's an option that you have to run into these triangles
and try to contest these objectives.
But I do love the Kess. I love the Kess for XG. I love that it came out early.
I love that NTS is about going to be in the worst position ever now.
And overall, as a team with skills, you should do great versus Deuker.
Yeah, your theory was extreme gaming are first pick then pick on the earlier,
and if they're second pick then give on at the 24th.
Yeah, that's how I think they excel.
But they also still need to enable NTS with the supports, which happens within the game,
and some things can go wrong, right?
So far we'll see how eager a Shadow Demon and a Phoenix are,
of Phoenix or because they're also going to have to worry about their stacks as they've
been saying and stacks are even more important now.
As Maus get themselves a bristleback and extreme respond with a Primal Beast which could go
mid, could go offline.
Yep, it's comfortable on both players.
Yeah, I think Primal Beast is an anti-ench hero because if you just pair him with like
a setup or a little bit of extra damage, he hunts her very quickly and his trample comes
out fast and I remember when this hero was popular a couple of TI's ago or even last
year it was always picked against Enchantress and Hoodwink. Like if those two heroes or early
phase Primal was seen as an option by all the Primal players. So now they have a means
to kill Enchantress and they have a means to defend the egg with Pulverize.
I will say it's a bit tricky to play into next though, up until you're a BKB. Careplace
This is quite strong, easy way to cancel it.
But I think I had a conversation with Malgrin at some point, and I remember always thinking
that Clockwork was my go-to answer to Primal.
And he said like, it is good, but I'm a level 30 Primal.
And MTS to me is like, not quite there, but he falls into the same category, Exit Test
also pays a lot of Primal.
And I feel like these guys are quite comfortable playing into like these slightly trickier
maps.
Yeah.
We'll see how they manage to deal with the next or if y'all much is just like gonna be all up in their business
Entire time. I was trying to think about this bristle into casting. I feel like
Kass kind of likes running heroes down and bristle life turning is back to heroes and run away
And I feel like it should be a pretty decent matchup for the bristle
I think in this case like when I look at the laning phase
I feel like mouse has two very stable lanes like enchantress DK
I think should have pressure against whatever heroes paired up with shadow demon whether it's party
or something else, I think that looks like a pretty decent lane for mouse.
I think the next bristle should manage because Phoenix, so coming into like the last pick,
if I'm mid one, I'm feeling pretty good.
I feel like I have pretty much everything figured out and I can pick whatever I want.
So if I was a mid player, this is like my dream scenario.
I don't have to like fill a specific void for the draft to come together.
What I'm thinking about as well right now for XG, just as a question, or how do they
solve this is, we've seen that as just farm until DK has like BKBU plus one item and then
it looks unstoppable.
Like you do have damage with funray and early spells to kill this DK, but who's playing
him for you when the BKBU comes out?
You have an alternative source of break here with the Viper which is going to be great
versus Gristle, great versus Eng, great versus DK.
Makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, there's definitely like three heroes that do not want to get their passives broken
in this game.
Now mid one gets this pick of the litter.
Who would you like, Med?
You can't have Storm, you can't have Invoker, you can't have Void, you can't have Tyii,
you can't have Hossgar.
Weena Pain?
Uh, tough matchup in the Viper.
This is one of the cool things about Viper.
It just limits your hero pool to like, a very small selection.
sometimes I can book her because you have the cost
I'm just thinking of a hero that could
Sort of do a little bit again can farm with her E instead of having to just stay in lane
You're not gonna dagger a vital bit. Yeah, if he does go any you can blink away
Most vapor that I hear has had quite the fall off me for Julie. What a shame
would you like a sniper? No! I was gonna say we sometimes play puck against
Viper it's not the best lane but it's quite tricky for Viper to stack up his
poison attacks because of your shade shift yeah and you can even orb to dodge
attacks so there's like you're not gonna stomp the Viper but you can kind of
manage it if you play it really well yeah I mean laning aside you look at this
puck and I'm just thinking about late game right or at least mid to late game
When DK gets BQB, he's sending your puck too.
Like early on, maybe it's not that big of a deal, but later on as this game progresses,
if you don't have Orcids and Hexes, this puck is going to play for free.
A late game on Maus's side looks quite scary, honestly.
I feel like we have kind of a flip position from the last game.
In the last game, we saw XG have like this lane pressure with the Earthside against the Tide.
Now it's the other way around. Maus has the side lane pressure,
And Miles is the weaker mid lane matchup in theory, and we kinda get to see how they are able to enable their puck.
And if they can do it the same way that XG did last time to get like their tiny online in the tough matchup, how is Miles gonna do it for their puck?
A lot of that was contingent on support rotations though, so do you think that the mixed assassin and enchantress will be as effective?
The possibilities are definitely there, and now it's just about like, are we able to execute it in the same way?
also gets a slightly better lane than TinyGust, so the disadvantage isn't quite as big, but
I think it's just interesting to see it. The game is like the opposite now in terms of
like objectives for them to complete.
But also, is that their primary objective to enable their mid laner or is it focus on
the stacks?
I mean, it all kind of ties together. Like this Enchantress will be screwing over the
stacks as part of just like the identity and that will force the enemy mid laner to kind
to respond in one way or another, which then creates space for the puck.
Like the way you execute it won't be the same way, but the objectives of what you're doing
are kind of the same.
There's something to think about Neil, start it into a round.
No please.
Phoenix is a bud.
Correct.
Kaz is a bud.
I'm with you.
Why is one of them able to speak in the other note?
Just think about it as we go into the draft, into the game.
Think about it and watch as we get into a game number two.
Now, I'm gonna switch it.
What a great panel.
It's a really interesting, deep point by Aiden about the strategies that are going to clash
within this game, then Ted.
Hey, Ted!
Parrots and pigeons, both birds.
Why can one talk and not the other?
It's something to think about.
Well, apparent isn't really talking, it's mimicry.
Well, maybe that's what Kaz is doing.
No, he's an intelligent creature, he speaks.
He even has an American accent.
So maybe he speaks, but he doesn't think.
That's a good one, Ted.
Alright, welcome everybody back to Miles vs. Extreme Game 2.
Extreme! Just smack Miles around in Game 1.
Will this be a repeat?
Looks less likely. I like the draft. They have a lot more tempo, a lot more early game presence, especially with the Enchantress on Celery versus the Chen.
Just a faster hero, a hero that can gank, can pack lanes more, go through the gate.
They have a lot of pick and group up earlier than I think that last one, with DK pushing towers.
First of all, you get piped, you can just cock out here. And I think, actually, they don't have a lot of stuns.
They do have the Viper for the laning, they do have Kess for the laning, and they do have
some break mechanics between the Viper and the Primal, which could be really annoying
for Mouse to deal with, but you can kind of itemize your way through a little bit.
I mean, I love, anytime you can have a homegrown break mechanic against Bristleback, it's here
no longer feeling comfortable to be able to front line.
I don't know, I feel like, I actually like Extreme's lineup quite a bit.
the Phoenix Primal Beast synergy. I feel like that one's always really nice. Not only a
BKB piercing stun, but also kind of an AoE stun.
I like it too, I just don't like the lag at this table. With SP Phoenix support through
and they only have one stun.
It's an interuptable stun. That sounds rough to me.
They do have triple break, I forgot about the SD add, it's eventually not too good.
They didn't really have counterpicks, they actually went for more of, I'm just gonna counter your cores, we're gonna scale better, we're gonna have great interactions as the game goes down the line.
So I can also see them potentially get run over, that's a risk. They played really well last game, so if they play as well they will not get run over.
But the Enchanters is kind of a different beast, way faster than Hero, it's already having more in fact here at the first blood for the Dragon Bloods.
You can see Celery was trying to set that up for a while, and finally they were able
to close that gap and get the dragotail stun that nets the first blood.
Really nice, but the Primal Beasts is still free for him.
He got the creep wave pulled all the way back in front of the tower, so he's feeling good
about that.
Nothing to say, 11-7 as mid-1 continues to struggle on the puck.
He's really struggling.
He did not play that first wave well.
No, not at all.
Well that was zoned off into the river, was mega awkward and now he is just getting his
ass beaten trying to get to this bottle which is coming out now but man there's a lot of
damage that's been done here.
5 CS to 8 denies at the 3-min mark is...
That is something.
That is something.
I would say the conversation of midlaners who are better at strong lanes, weak lanes,
mid ones definitely a strong lane kind of player.
and him playing the weak side of things
that I think it showcases.
Was that true back in the day though?
Like, I feel like he used to kind of just play
his Kunkka and Voker monkeys into anything.
Yeah, he would do like Maureen type things
where you just kind of get out of lanes.
Not how I think of him.
I don't think of him as a lane matchup last pick dominator.
I think of him more as a really or mid pick mid player
that can kind of play into anything
and give you solid presence around the map
and some solid scale with mechanical ability.
Maybe that identity is changed for him in his resurgence here compared to when he was in his prime, but...
Yeah, I feel like, uh, him on bounce, he's been...
When he gets a good matchup, I think he's been really dominant in that. Nothing to say, he's going to get sandwiched here.
This is kind of awkward. Hits him with a blood grenade, damage doesn't continue to go for the dives though.
Gets a ward behind tower.
Now the orb from the pock doesn't land.
doesn't land, nothing to say they do hit the stun, but now with the dive on mid one, mid one is probably going to die to Ex-Nova here.
Just verifier.
Verifier and an orb is up, so he's okay. He just got enough mana for that.
I think it's already rotating and they wanted to abuse this low HP Viper.
I feel like NTS needed to vary out some regen at some point here.
He was winning the lane so hard. He gets a salve now.
So that plus one plus bracer, he will be good as long as he can get it off without dying.
Once again, an orb doesn't land, but this time the dive from the Enchanterus looks very similar to Game 1.
A mirror of it.
A matchup that one-on-one is going heavily the Viper's way, but chipped down just enough that the rotations come in for the kill.
I needed more regen earlier here.
He just got chipped so much on the same, he was winning it, but...
Out resourced here, the bottle coming in for the puck, and then a nice little rotation from Celery.
He's getting himself in that triangle early, just as Insanian talked about.
This is the strongest position for a chancreuse in the early game.
You have unlimited rotation potential behind your safe lane, behind mid, so you have the
two best lanes to gank in terms of the speed to get there from a hard camp with the early
creep strength, and with the wisdom shrine being kind of added to that area.
It's really nice to get back here early, get the deep wards out, and then you can just
set up all your gank paths later.
occupy that area they're not building any stacks. When you're off map you're
threatening multiple lanes so in terms of enemy comms trying to keep track of
you can be difficult unless they have some board that's planted early and super
defensive.
I guess maybe gate changed it a little bit on the older patches though. Like when
you're off map on your side the gate threat gives you that extra connection
to two lanes you didn't have before. Sure. But to me, this is the ultimate power of Enchantress,
the ability that's a retinal for all the damage built his TP away. He was really hoping he could
snag away the power rune, but even better, it goes bottom lane where mid one was sitting with his bottle.
Pretty even lane phase across the board. The primal's creep cutting, that's why the CS is so high.
So X-axis, this is getting a lot right now. No one's going to go over here and contest him.
He is the net worth leader, all of a sudden.
Oh, he got pushed into the tier 2.
Oh, I thought he was going to deny the range creep at the same time.
Instead, opting for damage because they're actually going to try and kill the primal piece.
Surprised by that, but I guess the Nix's assassin is an appropriate answer.
That's why XA status can't really charge off the cliff, otherwise the damage would just spike care-pays him.
You're just going to follow him until either the Orph lamps for the kill or another stun.
Oh, Roshan, he tried to wake up Rosh!
He tried.
Let's face it.
I guess he didn't just TP out after the impale.
Maybe unsure of where the puck was, but I'm pretty sure he saw him dead.
Crystal's tries to nap the wisdoms around this, which is never gonna work for ya.
Now he's gonna have to TP.
But that, again, lack of disables on this lineup.
He did TP to tier one, and he's gonna have to pop through whatever region he has here.
He's double low at his tango.
He's chill.
That was a good call, actually.
The extra engine here, it's already got the morbid mass too.
Unless he dies.
There'd be an opportunity for XG to just dive him with the primal coming back into lane.
So he has to play a little safe.
Nothing to say.
Oh my god, he's actually gonna be blocked in?
Not quite, but still.
The centaur's stunned, mid one joining in with his amp damage, doing a lot to blow up
the viper.
They don't even need the coiled seam, says another round of the orb.
The finished mob celery actually is the one to get the last hit.
It's a chance-riss.
Having some early game impact here, way different tempo and style.
There's actually fighting zero kills here early.
Power rune's going the punk's way, his support duo's getting some roam action,
and just all you can do is farm your way back in this game for your extreme gaming.
Your support duo doesn't have lockdown, doesn't really have early spell power here.
Especially going up against the punk. Very tough interact with the mid one.
Almost got the power rune into the bottle, but FYI, it's the deny just in time.
He's in trouble though. Enchantress still lurking behind the tower.
They're still going to keep diving this area because why not?
Heroes are so strong against these two supports.
He could have TP'd, he'll TP'd now.
What's the name of the game, man? There's those stuns that slide him.
Yeah, it's rough.
All these wards placed behind this tier 1 mid, this is the point of attack for Malz with this Enchantress.
They missed it with the centuries too like you look at all these dire centuries just miss all these words planted by salary
That's the advantage of getting back there early on
Very hard to keep track of where that vision goes down and then you just keep playing around it becomes incredibly annoying
All of a sudden you're keeping in heroes to try and react to him
But you have no stuns you can't give her only kills this game just starts to spiral a little bit
Dragon Tail follow-up in Pales by Carapace X-XS
Still feel strong though with two supports behind him, we'll just punish the next assassin for stepping up.
And that will be a gigantic creep wave on the tower too, so Chrysalis is gonna lose his tower.
Oh, actually they're glyphing, here comes the enchanters, so they're gonna try and defend this.
And Phoenix is going, oh, I thought this was gonna be free.
Went through the gate, now he's gonna have to come back to ensure at least the last hit on the tower.
Yeah, that's almost good to deny there.
Oh, Primal have himself a very nice game after all this stuff, huh?
So XSS asks your one stun slash playmaker, at least he's online, that'll hopefully bring this XG lineup together.
The more mouses can shut down the Primal in this game, the happier they're gonna be.
Do have some good spells against him, the Enchantment purge pretty nice, the Nixxess asks for the stuns, coil.
Like I don't think it's a free primal enemy, it's kind of hard to charge into this line-up, but if he gets far, he's gonna be at last.
Tower for tower perhaps, with the Enchanters having the Troll Creek. Easy pickins right there.
So we definitely get a lot done here.
I think this is one of the first times that I've seen Maus with their Nix's Assassin actually have a lead off of the laning phase.
normally it's like they're behind the image hits level six then they turn the game
it's the enchantress difference right this hero doesn't have to cast it back and farm like
Shen I mean Shen can make moves like this just you're not ganky heroes you're not offering
that much extra killing power with the creep and the extra slow game's just naturally slower
So you can speed it up, get you through that early game.
Downside is you don't have as much scaling teamfight presence, depends how much farm
you pick up.
If you farm heavily with the enchantress like Snakey does, then you can get more in that
teamfight, but that requires you to play more of that style than run around and try and continually
do stuff.
I'm in a bomb amp here trying to delay that battle theory and get this last tier one.
Going for the dive, got him on the stun.
Gonna need a really good disruption here.
Raptor Dance does a lot though.
Ame is back up the full health between the heals of Ex Nova and the Lifesteal.
Charging after the puck, not able to grab him, so they'll get the Enchantress.
Two kills for Extreme Gaming off of a five hero stack in the top lane.
They gave up their mid tower, they will not give up their safe lane.
I like actually defending that.
Kez was full resources no reason to give up these drawings for free especially when you have my proof of
stupidity of absolute menace around his powers
oh whoa whoa midwifed that was not what that was
really that's where you just weren't weren't
well what else is that play that's just a freebie a gift from the heavens for nothing to say
It was just gobbles it up. It was funny because it was off of a little bit of a mistake
before
Mid one took a couple of bit of damage that he didn't need to
Nothing to stay offered a high five and then things got worse. I feel like he's just been struggling this tournament
Yeah, compared to what we expect from him and you know when they won the land and they were just cruising
He was owning. Yeah, he's been a lot more hit or miss like again
but especially the storm spear games some of them were piece 17 to others like 0 and 8 it's just
the volatility is insane right now for me could just be like a patch thing or maybe the flow of
the team isn't there sometimes you look worse as an individual but it's your read as a team just
isn't exactly on par with the meta and all these little things are off and then it just throws you
off maybe but that wasn't the box situation this was definitely just a
mechanical misread of the situation I was a big stack for actually clear that's
the solid levels now the fight there's still a little poor but after that kill
he's doing fine in your your playmaker on the primal something very good game
because battle theory's done actually up gold right now kind of chilling they
They also have a lot of support levels, like especially after that feck, Fy's 8 and a half.
Wow, I don't really know where he got all this XP, but there's another wisdom shrine coming up soon, and they have level 8 chat, or even almost level 7 Phoenix.
They are ahead of the Nyx and the Enchantress here, despite how much salary got done.
Fy, he's got a match in terms of that fecking into the high XP here. Very nice to be high level on this hero.
X-Nova did opt for... oh, mid-one.
Okay, there is the Spike Carapace, this Top X-Nova.
Mid-one was a little bit of danger there.
The Phoenix opted for the Maxed-Out Fire Spirits and Dying Light builds rather than the Sunray build.
I kinda woulda liked the Sunray build, the Primal Beast fight.
I think he's worried about the Nix, continually canceling it.
Yeah, that's fair, actually.
But Nick's can also just care of push you off of dying late so much of this ends up being that much better I
Prefer that hot spot build, but as I said if you plant up far more with dying late
Push more waves you get more value out of it over the long term sure
Walking into Ward century. No, though. That's his radio
Mammoth not gonna find anything with this vendetta
I feel like he wants to be hunting the Kez with these.
Yeah, that's my assumption as well.
Him and the puck.
Well, that two-man team is going to smoke.
Extreme already set up with their own smokes, sitting mid.
The creep wave hitting the tower.
Nobody shows, so they move into the triangle and saying, okay, if they're not going to
defend their mid tower, they must be farming stacks or something?
There's a tight there.
Tight bristle, though.
So they go to the bristle back, the hardest hero to finish.
You really don't want to jump boom near a tower.
That fight can go really wrong for you.
Smokes are gonna break on each other here.
I think you should stay out here if you're actually...
Or try and bait them in.
Again, boom is super strong.
Under tower with pipe.
This is the target that now wants you to go on.
They're gonna fly, so they break the Bristol back.
Swung down, raptor dance does a lot of damage here.
Longside the Demotic Purge.
They're gonna burn out this Bristol back.
That was pretty easy, but now the second part of the fight.
The coil goes out, Supernova in response, but they lost on me.
Crystal is crawling back here, half HP,
but he's now able to get out of the range with Supernova,
so it was a poison.
Mid-1 jump forward, and wants to keep poking at these guys.
See what happens.
They're going to stay unit, stay grouped up.
No openings here.
Very nice timing on the carapace from the image
to stop the pull rise.
And then once that's off, it's your only stun.
So the fight becomes pretty free.
They took that Bristle down a lot more convincing than I thought, but it's still a cost to the army.
That go is still inherently bad, even if you get it.
It's just the type of fight Maus won. You going on this tanky Bristle, and then Puck gets a free fight,
DG gets to come in and start hitting people while you're in a coil, somebody like...
I still don't think that's the trade you were looking for, is actually...
Maus are kind of happy to get something on this cousin early, because he was running away with it.
I mean, ultimately, I think he's three ults right off the bat on.
Viper strikes Monarch bird's raptor dance.
Just take so much to bring him down.
You're pretty high HP, maybe you could have disengaged there, but maybe it's just over
right off the end.
All they just under us through the damage.
Back in real time we have the Viper marching down the enchanter cellar, getting a bit too
aggressive in the mid lane.
Just trying to post up here, take some space away from them.
Yes.
She just grouped right now protecting each other not giving it opening to this next assassin
I think that's goes for the blink on him not gonna get it
I went to birth anyway. This Nick's assassin is just holding on top of the puck. So
She's just trying to recover this bit right now
Still looking a little poor there's been one recovery
also a little hit or miss but he got a couple kills there so hope these midlaners the poorest
in the game.
Getting the last hit on this tower will help.
Nice.
Also clears out the safe lane tower before that 20 minute tormentor area.
Biggest item for XG will be the BKB on the Primal so he can guarantee going and lay down
stuns for a little item, bring it together. For Mao's, it's probably blink on puck and then
if Chris falls in contact with a joint fight before VKB, you can kind of start running at...
Ah, they very far forward here. He's going to be coiled. FY's behind him, ready to go with the
disruption. Threatening the early Raptor dance, he gets silenced, but really not that much damage
being done. He has Essence Ring, an extra Lotus. Ooh, look at this aggression. Careful there,
It's been one low.
Those have a lot of extra HP to work with with that load of investments, but...
As we saw that earlier, you get bursted pretty quickly here.
Mal's opting not to defend their mid tower.
Five stack of Extreme Gaming finds more objectives.
Torment turn in a minute. That's what you gotta think about here.
How close to you are the primal BKB you are?
600 off don't know if xxs can get it for this tormentor fight and he can't then I
think mouths are favored especially if they can set up for it or get a pick
off with nix that leads into it that would be ideal I find NTS down here
only a truck target's going under a tower but again he's relatively poor and
And I think Nyx gives you so much extra damage it's doable, well they bail.
You know I think the whole idea right, they push out the bottom line of hero shows and
they're not tormentor, they go back through the gate and control the area.
Which to get a shard might be a Nyx's passive break which is pretty nice against some of
these heroes.
on both sides are value.
Should be easy to enter.
They clear out a lot of the top arrow of the next vendetta.
Celery put ice armor on all these courses as well right now.
Super nice spell in this game.
He wants to continually try and find little Oberfrost mages.
Smoke through the gate, successful scan read on it.
And they did get the break for the next show.
So they're going to catch up to him with the coil.
NTS, just not fast enough to get out of here.
This is a Treads Viper, not a Booth Pods Viper.
Oh, and they're going to go straight to Roshop.
I mean, why not?
You killed the Viper.
That's the strongest extreme hero right now.
Alongside X-XS and BKB, can they take a fight?
Oh, yeah, they can take it.
Now they're gonna go for it with the two-man Fire Spirits on two different heroes.
They're gonna run down this Nixon Sassan pretty easily and that Crystal is gonna get...
POP!
That was way too easy.
But Kena, that almost felt like the play in Game 1 with the Warlock Bonds, like you're just so clumped.
It's just mega value for these AoE spells.
Now Midwands gonna join them here, but nice stun onto Midwands.
They didn't have a follow-up though from Ame no Silence.
Roshan is the follow-up though, he gets some damage on him.
And boom, it's going to be run down underneath the supernova. There's no way out of here.
Okay, mouse giving them another kill on top of the two that they already had on this rush on pit.
And all of a sudden extreme gaming are the ones to take rush.
And the fight goes on so long, and yes, you just come back in and it's the full resources.
You don't have the spells to bring in now anymore.
Again, I liken that sequence to the game one warlock bond sequence where you make a good play,
You're about to take an objective, but you're just a little too lazy about how you're doing it
And you give this a we hoping to xG and they jump they're gonna take that
That's not gonna be enough damage damage you're not getting this wisdom shrine
Destruction gets useful see if you can keep you up to always keep you up cool down so never mind. He's just
giving away his life for nothing I yeah there was no play there
rough that's rough because this guy is not the hero you're giving extra gold
got a bunch of kills get some gauges he's gonna have BKB already he's jacked
he's performed off of this
fire spirits hit on four pull price hits on four trample onslaught on two and
then your DK, he doesn't have BKB for this fight.
So he just gets obliterated by some of the slun rate damage
plus Tess going into him.
Now it's just making it too easy for Extreme.
In this play where they go back into it,
trying to fight basically two versus four.
Fy is not poor in this game.
Kind of to respect the HP on this Sv,
like you lift through all that versus damage.
He has essence ring.
He has a lot of HP.
He has a full Solar Crest.
Oh, and he has a 2000 HP Shatter.
So, he did that kind of play, I feel like.
It's just a little mystery in terms of how easy they're going to bring him here or not.
Try and find something.
Still up gold here.
Now, we'll have a nice timing with the Dragon IP givey.
And Lotus on the Versal.
This game becomes a lot easier for them to play in terms of going into HD 5 on 5.
What the question is, have you given XT too much here, especially all his primal, it gets, it's just terrorizing this game.
Tried to catch me to one, and they might have got him with a Viper Strike landing, he's gonna be so slow, nice stuns.
Oh, the rock, beautiful stuff.
Another orb is up in a second, but I think they got him.
Damage over time, catches him out. Yeah, Mitch will die alongside him here.
here, more pick-offs for Xtreme and Maus, well at least Celery's in a position to rat.
It just feels like actually our playing slightly better today.
Slightly better?
Oh, the margins are over there, thank you.
They're playing better as a team, I'll put it that way.
For sure.
Like, they're making cleaner moves, I think the ideas for Maus are fine, I think they've
gotten Draxler comfortable with.
So we just need to make it better with these.
Little bit behind in all these little plays.
Some big openings that actually are taking advantage of the main out.
Find themselves with the beacon he's done it on, almost level 18 here.
He's gonna aim for Butterfly, which seems pretty good here.
He's gonna be a little separated from the rest if they can jump that fly right away try and blow him up
They've got him. Aume jumps in the middle of them. Doesn't really get too much done here
But they have the break onto the Dragonite.
He doesn't get the grab on top of the Supernova.
Everything they have to try and go for this Dragonite,
he's trying to limp away, but the damage is just too immense.
Great dodgeball.
I have X-XS, just pour them up here.
Dang.
What a charge through that hit everybody on the side of Maus.
X-XS destroyed Maus.
You might get the rampage here.
Actually, you want to try and give it to him.
Salary, he's a kill that will take a while to get,
especially with that Dispel.
What a primal performance.
Yeah.
Just destroy these fights.
He's now gonna heal himself.
If they might get the kill, it might be so long he doesn't get rampage.
I think he still gets it here.
Well, okay, well, well, what can you do, I mean?
Tommy says no fun for you.
I am the carry, you can sit back down.
But damn, see the team damage from that by 3400 coming out from this primal,
that onslaught just wrecked them.
They are so clumped into it.
Yeah, how did they they all into the dragonite, but then they killed everybody else so quickly as well
That's a BKB dragon. He just got melted in the BKB. He's broken
It's great. I mean no one's killing that a
And then this right here the rock on mid one and then the onslaught charge through
Just a slaughter that's why it's like good job, bro. I said that up for you
Yes.
Great bait.
Very clutch for FY to get the disruption off on the image initially, though, where that
play happens a little faster for mouths and then maybe they can position a little better.
Like, all those little things matter a lot.
Now they have a gem on the Phoenix.
And a BKB on the Viper.
His BKBs are pretty nasty.
What do mouths have to put into them?
Yeah, they do not have a ton of damage going their way right now.
No big damage item yet Dragonite still working towards that Daedalus
Which is the first big damage item Dragonite can get to he really needs Daedalus in this game
Yeah, the concern is again getting so much gold to his primal
Like he's already almost the axe off that fight because of the ultra kill
And this game was nuts
This was not supposed to be a great game for the primal in a lot of these early fights
But if he gets through his items, he's an absolute monster in this game. Yeah, he is getting there man.
X-XS gets the jump. Okay, he seems to be going to stop with the Dragon Tail, but they have the sound to follow up that kills mid-1 anyway.
Cannot fail it up.
It's impossible. The rocks again? Dude, X-XS is too good. He's too good with these rocks.
That's blinkin. It's gonna slow him down. BKB has to be used by Chris List. Yamachan's gonna stay behind to slow down these heroes.
Get out with everybody else, but it does cost you another Dragon IDKB wearing down that duration.
Now that's gonna finish the aggs for the primal here pretty much, got it, very soon.
Seerles are just gonna get tanky as well, that's another concern like, there's just
gonna be too much HP between this Viper and Primal.
He's gonna keep on him again.
Dude that Viper's not his number, he's just not giving these up for free.
lucky to get out of there you are indeed but I think that one is okay to try here
yeah like it's late enough of the game you've got your only level 12 on this
mix what else are you doing in this time period you pretty much just have to try
and get as much damage on these alone a coming out of the jungle quick
dragon tail grappling claw way let's see if you have to use BKV or free feels like
he's safe enough seems like he's maybe safe no no no dragon tail hits he gets a
Perry off though. Now mid one's gonna join in, there goes the BKB and Aumei.
Now he's gonna turn this back around, got a bash out onto the Dragon Knight.
Nobody stuns man, underneath the supernova, they get his thumb, turn around,
Dragon Tail, but now here's XXS to finish the job. Did kill the egg on the backside.
Nice rock, hits solidly onto Boom, spike, air-face in the middle of all these heroes.
They're gonna go after Aumei with Minbon jumping back in, but he got off the
Raptor dance. He'll heal up, now with disruptions, dodge the last bit of damage.
Celery he's in deep he's committed. They're still trying to catch him. I think Amme is fine for now
Mid one just doesn't have the damage to do it double raptor dance like that is something
The only thing that went well for mouse is the puck is able to kill the egg
So maybe you have some hope of trying to turn that fight but so much damage coming out from this kiss
He's just shredding that dragon night. I mean if you enter the fight as dragon
You can't just sit there and right click people. I don't think you will ever win these gauges now
Try to like poke them and pour something out here, you know the puck to connecting alright
We got a feet give you if you could disengage here
That's a good go for miles, but you cannot disengage the chase down is insane from this hero
Yeah
Almost had another inhale there too. Could have made a big difference.
The axe for the primal delivered at the end of that, so axe access is online.
The skills are incredibly tanky now, especially with SD Phoenix behind.
So much utility, so much heal.
Straight into the roach pit. Trying to put an Aegis on on me here.
It feels like a roach that now somehow you can test but they're not going to be able to. Yeah, there's no way
Gotta just get Daedalus on Dragonite. Hope he gets some big crits and can set up the fight properly
Where all the attentions on the bristle and chancers at the start get some good lotus or
Protect this dragonite and let him go to town from a high ground protection
All your best place to play high ground award or high ground defense
Tormenter for mouse
But that will not solve their issues which is extreme gaming medium amount in fight
So heavily that they feel like they could just go for another lane of Barracks.
Now when I was fresh, fresh Aegis.
They are super strong right now.
Nobody's home trying to finish up this gato's on the dragon knight.
I'm faking the rock throw over and over again.
I mean they don't have dragon form so, mouths are unlikely to fight.
Five more seconds till it's up.
Now the dragon knight's going to come back in, now they're going to try and fight as the melee barracks gets low.
Pokey and Aume, see if they can take away this Aegis without committing too much.
Chase them out for now.
But whoever gets Viper struck, the combination of getting broken into Aume's physical damage,
either through the Bristleback or the Dragon, either one is just going to get focused down
and die.
There's no saves.
These Primal Ags too now though.
There's too much break in this game.
Yeah.
That was always a concern.
The later this goes, the more break the cancer will become available for actually, and then
it's harder for your frontline to resist.
It's just gonna force the issue.
Building won't last too much longer. They're gonna go on Dragon Tail.
There's the disruption. X-X-S with this BKB. He goes back to the Enchantress.
Raptor dance to finish him off. Dragon Knight. Just goes half HP off of somebody.
AWE damage. Mid one does make it jump back, but damage is stuck.
Crystalback goes back in. They're going out to the Viper here.
That's going to be a good kill on the Viper, but they can't get away!
Oh, what another rock throw!
It's Crystal! It's underneath the Supernova and allows Almey to close the distance with the Falcons' rush.
Now the Dragonite's dead, now they go out to the Bristleback, who frankly doesn't do too much damage.
He's just kind of a big, beaty boy.
And he's broken.
And he is broken down to the core.
That might just be the game here.
And we'll get the creepway pushed out, so backdoor protection will stay up until the mid lane pushes in.
But, uh, nice little play.
Aame's courier.
Let's kill him.
But he did complete the Satanic here.
Still has Aegis for two minutes.
Nice Q-cutting for mid one.
Will only hold this off for so long.
Just too many targets you have to bring down, then.
Not enough damage to do it.
These heroes are not tanky once they get broken.
A lot of problems to solve for mouses and teamfights.
Especially that problem.
The Kes problem.
Got the grab.
Spike care base wears out X-XS.
His, uh, mixed assassin has been annoying him the entire game.
Probably feels good to put him down.
There's Primal on a rampage in this game, man.
You got given way too much freedom.
One melee barracks down top.
Another melee barracks bottom still remains and they have the banner in mid.
So this will be Brittany, Mega's bounce.
Let's go for an all-in Hail Mary.
They're all the ages.
Get the banner.
I don't think that really changes too much.
Five lanes are still going to push in.
Boom, in the middle of this.
Slowed down by the Demonic Purge.
Do you remember to get the Phoenix?
Now they're going to break.
Viper Strike being used on the Dragonite again.
And we see this Viper Strike and he gets blow
and has to just run away from Aume.
He's still going to be able to chase him down.
Dragon Tail, no!
Raptor Dance got him!
Dodges the stun, kills him. XXS finally dies as mid-wan with his BKB was able to make the commitment.
Now buyback on the Dragonite. This is your all in. This is your Hail Mary. This is your chance to at least get something in this game.
They will win the second part of this fight and get some gold back into their coffers.
Kvows will get four on a wisely BKB TP'd out of a lost fight.
Not Jim out of that too, right? Yeah, so honestly, not a bad outcome for Miles.
You have to use your DK buyback, but you've got to use something in this game to get an advantage here,
and that is a significant XP and gold swing there.
Pretty nice for them as they get the full run down. You don't get all that, but I don't think you were ever going to get out of here.
With two likes and we give you TP, yeah. What can you do?
Kind of a weird initiation for our success. He goes really deep, doesn't get the targeting once,
You can't do anything to the fuck, and then as DKB is out he gets coiled, that's the dream scenario for miles.
They get to control this primal for once, instead of the primal controlling them.
Yeah, you use your DK on the side, but what's happening in the rest of the fight is great for them.
Everybody's pretty high resources, the DKBs are down, hold Aave, he has to choose either to try and fight this out, or sleep.
bad. It's cute as for the Puck on Courier. Handle finished for Rascal. Look at that,
that's got a lot of gold out of it. They did, I mean, they're kind of getting some items here.
They're only down 6k. A late game. Do you still, like I still will always go back to the fact that
the Dragon Age goes into the fight and he gets Viper struck and focused by Aume and they can't do
anything to stop that they don't have any disabled that stops on me from BKB
attacking the Dragonite. This gets fun for four, there has to be like carapace
inhale lead-offs here or you jump on it but there's disruption to bail him out
that's that's the big concern too many things to check you just have to survive
like kite it out get some four stabs if you can. I mean the last fight worked for
them in part because the Bristol they almost killed the Bristol back but he
survived because they wanted to focus the Dragonite and the Dragonite had buyback
One high buyback for this next one.
Okay, flank two, this smoke is potentially nasty.
Ten two breaks at the celery.
Celery facing the right direction.
It's gonna break on him, but he tries to get a hop away.
It doesn't take him far enough.
Meanwhile, I mean, they might have seen Mid...
Yeah, they see Mid-Wat up there because the courier just delivered to him.
It's got our king rule though.
He should not die in this fight.
He should not, but...
See what happens here.
X-XS jumps, it got the grab on the puck! Uh-oh!
Combined that with the Ce-sables?
No, that's not good enough. BKB does go off, they can't kill the 8th though.
And the Dragonite is stuck in the middle of this X-XS, another round of the Pulverize.
Now he's breaking the Bristol back, they chased after FY, and they get that kill.
Now for the Distant Gauge.
Miles, they've lost this one, TP away!
They stopped that TP!
Nope.
What about this one?
That one. They got that one.
Four dead, only the Bristol back alive, and now it's time for Extreme to close this thing out.
It kind of looks like vows or gains of items.
Like they had linkage on the versatile they had, the sheevis, I'm going to call it.
But the refresher on XXS, that is just a nil.
Yeah, like, the initial part of that didn't look too bad because fuck lives.
But maybe you could turn that back, you know, the DK is kind of killing the SD,
you kind of kill the egg, you just get pulverized during the DKB duration,
broken, just completely bastard.
What a game.
From the XG offlaner here, XXS.
I mean, he killed it on the Game 1 too, I think.
Oh, yeah.
He really breaks the excess, so I would give him that VP.
And I think that's when, actually, you look the best,
is when, at least for me, when he's popular.
Like, when he has some game to play,
when he's not just completely sacked,
playing some awful matchups.
And he had some early picks for his heroes, too.
They still played the lings a little better.
He got unable to do better.
He's just such a teamfight menace
when he gets some items and can do his thing.
So really nice series for him.
Absolutely just running the Primal.
And kind of a classic combo for Xtreme.
They used to run this Primal Phoenix a lot.
like two years ago, so they're kind of bringing that combo back.
It's really strong.
Can't underestimate it here.
Lacklustre serious for Miles though, I think.
Yeah, that was probably the worst performance I've ever seen from them.
G-Wall.
Clicked it.
Extreme.
It's hopefully shouldn't feel too bad.
Maybe his words woke up Extreme getting too slow.
On this case.
Maybe there were multiple chips on the shoulder.
Also, the conversation has been dominated by, oh, nothing to say needs this.
Ame needs this, but what about AxeXXX? Quietly doing his job every single time he says, you
know what, it's finally time for the conversation to revolve around me and my primal beast.
Time and time again, this man has been a rock for extreme gaming, and this time he was throwing
rocks multiple times. Fantastic primal beast performance, Effie. I am in awe.
Yeah, he owns super hard. Like, he was just finding the initiations and moments we see
here and moments like in Roshan, once they get club length BKB, you can trust them to get the
right jump. And he did that multiple times. But honestly, I think all of Xtreme Gaming played
very well. Like all of them connected their puzzle pieces together as we are very nicely.
I guess to me the thing that I want to comment on the most is that Xtreme Gaming did a very good
job of shutting down the correct lanes. Like they just went to that Bristleback who was top of the
of the network, they just bullied him, killed him a few times with their breaks, they took
advantage of that, and that was basically their top-notch hero in mouse, so that was
just very heads-up for them.
Yeah, overall I think this narrative about extreme gaming, the MSL team, they completely
like, they're like, that's not true at all, you guys don't know what you're talking about.
I feel like this new iteration of their team has a lot more ability to play fast and kind
to do a lot of like smart moves. I feel like they they mix it up between like in game one
they have these like pressure moves that they're doing in game two they're baiting. Like there's
a moment when Kes is sitting under his tier one tower on the safe lane and they're all behind
them and Kes baits them in and they over extend the bristle dies like Mira says like they kind
of are just doing a lot of cool things. They're thinking about all the tools that are available
to them and using it nicely. This was really well executed.
And Mouses is consistently falling into these traps as well.
I think in both games, there were multiple occasions where Mouses were like you should
know better than that.
Come on now.
And they still kind of slip up a little bit.
For me as an amateur watcher, my concern with Mouses Draft in this game was that the
DK and the Bristle are going to both get broken by Viper.
That's fine.
We know that's going to happen.
The Shadow Demon pick meant that they couldn't do to XG what XG would do to them.
beast leaps in, grabs someone and starts pounding them into the ground.
What do you want as a shadow demon to go, nah, you're good, but they have no save.
I mean, they have nothing.
It's just the way the draft worked out, but they didn't have like a big fight reset, like
a warlock or something that can just go, alright, bam, we'll stop that and we'll have a think
and sort ourselves out.
If they kept finding Crystal, just over and over again and you jump a decay and kill him
and then it's like, well, what do we do?
We don't have, our cohesion is broken.
And I just felt like XG executed really well.
The lack of save meant that when this primal found someone,
it was like, shit, we should bail on this fight.
But obviously they have to keep taking fights.
You're fighting into an egg as well.
It's a nightmare.
So really, really, really good from XG.
Draft execution, everything has been turned around
in sharp contrast, primarily to yesterday's series.
I feel like I saw their liquid series
and that's part of the narrative where like,
Well, clearly if Liquid's able to run them down that fast, that must be because Xtreme is too slow, but it's a spectrum. It's not just one-dimensional like this.
Yeah, and we touched on it already, but just to reiterate, I think the way Liquid does it is different than the way Miles does it, and that has to be said very clearly.
Agreed, and I never subscribed to that theory. I've been preaching since day one of Dream League that people...
This is not a 4-protect-1 team anymore. They've been playing around the mid lane. They've been playing faster than expected.
And I think they have a good match-up against Miles because extreme gaming or drafting with 2-3 times as many heroes as Miles are.
Like, Miles, when they get their heroes, they look really good.
They got their heroes and they got outplayed in this one because I don't think they had draft errors on game 1 or game 2 to be frank.
Which now I kind of fear for Miles moving forward because extreme showed a lot of the vulnerabilities that Miles have in terms of draft and execution.
And so, if other teams take notes from this type of series and be like,
Okay, well, I can give you a Shadow Fiend and potentially I have strategies against it.
Or if you are going to fall back to a first pick DK, which is not that high priority in the meta,
then I also know how to abuse that.
Yeah, I mean, I would say there were some redeeming things for Mouse.
I think Celery had a fantastic game.
I think what he was doing in the early game, most of the time, we'll try like,
in terms of like a five when you go into the game,
And if you accomplish to do all the things the seller accomplished to do you kind of expect the win
You know what I mean? Like you're really setting your team up for a lot of success. So I think while
Yes miles they don't have their best day
I really feel like today was a case of extreme just like waking up
This was like the second place at TI level extreme. I wouldn't even describe
I wouldn't even say like I'm so concerned about miles. I just think like this was really nice signs of life from extreme gaming
For sure, Miles have their limitations and they need to try to figure out ways to work around that, but honestly it was just XG look super on point.
Maybe it's just, morning games, one of these teams doesn't wake up yesterday, extreme at the very first series of the day against Liquid, and they were like, oh my god.
Traditionally not a morning team as we've been reliably informed, but maybe Insania was the problem.
was a problem.
I would never cast his versions like that.
One might.
Excuse me, I told you yesterday that I would speak of my client while I'm here.
I am now his defense attorney.
Well, I need a lawyer.
The bullying has gone too far.
I don't think so.
Don't worry, client.
I'm going to get a lawyer for you.
Price is too high.
Jesus.
Avery.
I'll get Avery.
You can get Avery.
It's cheap.
For Avery, he's also a client of mine.
No, you can't do that.
I'm an Avery defender, I've been a day one Avery defender.
You called him a Sith Lord.
I did not call him a Sith Lord.
I did not call him a Sith Lord.
I said Avery has good intentions, therefore cannot be a Sith Lord.
Who at this dreamly cafe not offended in some way?
It was a good question actually.
Oh yeah, nobody bullied me all the time.
I forgot.
But I'm not actually offended.
This is why you need a lawyer.
I'm believable. I'll represent myself. That always goes well.
It didn't get well hunting.
Oh, by the way, I want to say something.
Oh!
I accidentally hit that during the game.
That was not intentional. That was on me.
Do all of our buttons do something because you...
The blue button does. The yellow doesn't do anything to me.
No!
Who was that?
I think it may have been production.
I think they're telling us it does not do any like it doesn't work for everyone
It does not work for everyone, only kind of has the power
Why do you tell us the power?
It's like wide-earflux
Wide-earflux?
No, why they made me so wide?
It's such a burn
You have to fit in the aspect ratio
Apparently
Damn
Well, how's the puzzle going?
So far so good
We've been working on it
I'm intrigued to see, evening shift I'm thinking, Kev could be a puzzler
Shebes could be a bit of a puzzler
Andrew doesn't strike me as a puzzler
Um, I mean I was on evening shift for a few for a few days
Jenkins when we did the globe he was kind of like
Having impact. That was like a nerdy puzzle. Yeah, I like that one. Yeah
But the numbers and everything. Yeah, this is a bit different. This is like a grandma puzzle
That's a traditional puzzle. We have the dimension. Yeah, actually loves puzzles and she does jigsaw puzzles in her free time
It's one of her hobbies, but I think she will be very good at it.
I don't know if the rest will be as invested as she is, but I actually think she could
sell a jigsaw for that too, and do it faster than us.
We have the entire top end completed now.
Don't let them see it.
This is the problem.
We can't show them, because now they'll know.
No, it's two different pictures.
Oh, is it?
Yes.
They're trying to give us as many advantages as possible, so three no-cards wide.
They're trying to give us as many advantages as possible, they're going to lose, sorry.
I've mentally checked out because you admitted earlier that you've been a saboteur.
Yeah, but unintentionally, I'm just so useless that it's a drag effect on the entire thing.
I know, you opened the box pretty early when we still had, you know, pregame and text backman.
I wanted to get home with it, didn't want to fat-fanny about, we know what's gonna happen, we're gonna lose.
Like, let's just get to the L quickly, we can move on from there.
Much like Maus.
Yeah.
In this series now.
And we get to get a dub of an interview as a result of that, because I am joined by FY with Jin helping to translate FY.
Today, this series was completely different than yesterday against Liquid. What changed yesterday?
F1, we've already started the interview.
First of all, congratulations to you two for winning the 2-0.
Today's performance is different from yesterday's.
What have you changed?
I'll say the main thing is the strategy, the entire game plan going into the game is completely
different.
Okay, makes sense to me, it's just that easy.
Then how about your heroes in general?
Before Rubik, there was always Tusk that everyone else associated you with.
So, over the years, do you feel like Toss has changed very much, or is he the same hero that he's always been?
What changes do you have?
I think it's the same as before.
The main thing is that the other 4 players
don't have that much power in the team,
so everyone likes the team.
I feel like in generally speaking, Tusc
feels the same as before,
but I'll say that right now,
for the hero pool for position 4 heroes,
Out of the other melee options available, Tusk is by far the strongest, so I think a lot of other players out there as well
They are starting to really like Tusk as one of the top hero choices now
You're still my favorite though, FY, and Stania is standing by with a question as well
Hello, FY. I'm a really big fan of your rubik. It's one of the big reasons I started playing the hero
What do you think the hero needs to be picked more in competitive games?
I'll say move speed is probably the biggest one right now.
He grew because of a base movement speed of 280 and he is way too slow.
So if you can pump up his move speed, I think you'll see him a lot more.
I like the idea.
My last question, the last time I spoke to you, you said that you do not miss streaming
and you're mainly focused on pro play.
But now I see that you're spending Chinese New Year abroad,
so do you still feel that same way,
that you don't miss streaming at all,
or still a little bit of you
wishes that you were home right now?
The spring festival is full of people.
The whole spring festival is going to be in overseas.
Do you miss the time when you were working in the studio?
Can you spend more time with your family?
Of course, I miss my family.
But if you don't have a lot of fun in the New Year, then it's fine, it's just a competition.
And the live broadcast is also quite tiring, thank you.
the days where I can spend more time with my family. That being said, it does make things
a little easier that we are overseas, where in the foreign nation where there is not much
of a Chinese new year atmosphere, so it does lessen down a little bit on the emotional
impact. That being said, I do very much miss my family. And even back in the days when
I was streaming, I mean, it was still a very tiring job. It was by no means like very restful
or very casual.
Glad you take all your careers very seriously. FY congratulations on the 2.0 GIN. Thanks for helping us translate and we'll catch you both later because that is the conclusion of our Extreme vs. Mouse series.
Aiden, I can imagine that you are in a long list of players who have watched FY Rubik and be like, dude, this looks so fun. I would love to be able to do stuff like that.
I mean, it even predates me playing Dora.
Back when I played Han, I would watch all the TI's and stuff.
And there's... I don't know if I should be saying this,
but there's probably videos on YouTube somewhere where I'm calling myself FY and pretending to be him.
No way!
Yeah, I was a massive fan.
Was there a Han Rubik?
No, but he played other heroes.
Back in Han, I used to obviously watch Dora.
Dora and I fly back then was like he'll play Marana position 4 and he'd have
butterfly a minute 25 oh wow yeah he'd be incredibly farmed and I just want to
be very clear at times are different sure gold on the map was not as easy
accessible back then as it is now yeah yeah and then I will try to do the same
things in my like home games right play like a support hero and try to get like
so strong that I became a core so I would just like kill steal make it all the
time uh-huh which is I think where the kill stealing meme originates from it
Has followed you consistently. Yeah, rightfully so rightfully so I will say in later years
I did kind of like stop but
Definitely early years I
Had that like ambition of becoming a core in almost every game and that was like
You know like the guy that ruins your pub like the support that has no faith in this course familiar because he's me. Yeah
That is me too. It was me and then you kind of like with modern. Yeah
Yeah. Okay, I was like the most sacrificial five my last two years. I've been everything for my voice.
I believe it, I believe it.
Yeah.
A source of inspiration for many a player, that's why I was so hard on FY last season,
because I was like, if you're coming back to competitive, you have a storied legacy behind you.
This FY name carries so much weight.
And so to come back to competitive, I have high expectations.
I mean, to me, he's delivering, like, I think he hasn't peaked yet, and with more play he'll get even better, but every time extreme gaming have owned, it's been off the back of his early game rotations through Hewzone who's setting up for, like, NTS to have a good game, or for X-Files to have a good game.
And sure, there's been some games where he's like, swung and missed, but the ones that he's owned, he's really owned, okay?
And I also think his hero pool is massive, and it cannot be understated how important it is when you're drafting and you have, like, double as many heroes to pick from as the enemy.
Like, your job is already that much easier.
We're seeing them leverage it in this series, and you may have noticed that there's a vacant seat next to me.
Ted is M.I.A.
Huh?
Where is he gone?
Well, don't worry, you're going to get to hear from him and more of a cap and
Avery as we've got a little podcast for you to listen to.
That's right, Sonoma.
We're going to take some time to, we got a little bit of time to our next series.
So it's a good time for a podcast.
We brought back Ted.
I don't think I've ever been on this before.
What?
Yeah, you have.
You did a podcast with me and Avery.
Wait, wait, is this what, is that what this is?
Yeah, kind of.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, what's up? What's up 2024 Christmas? We had you on. I remember that very well.
The one and only guest of Not For Broadcast. I know. The only Christmas special too.
What an honor for you. What an honor for us. It's an honor for you.
A bit of a bunch of luck. So that's a podcast to me. All right, chill till
that. So this is an episode of Not For Broadcast, technically.
Like you said, once you've been on a million podcasts, it's all they're all the same. Exactly.
What are we talking about football?
It's a football power. The cherry's doing
Yeah, that's a good season. Well at the table for a team of our size. That's fine. We bought this new lad
Ryan Brazilian. He's like 18. He's good
And we had a pretty dog shit game against a team called Everton
It was massively viewed in brazil because they want to get a look at this new kid and see if he's any good
He's the parker of
Hopefully no
No
Yeah. So, you know, we suddenly had all these Brazilian fans watching the Everton Bournemouth
game just to see him play. That's pretty cool. Yeah. And some idiot was like,
this is evidence of the Premier League's global reach. People are watching Everton against Bournemouth
all the way from Brazil. I'm like, no, they're watching this guy. It's not going to do with the
teams. Yeah. It's like people watching Bad Bunny. Right. I don't care about football. Yeah. I just
want to see Bad Bunny. Yeah. The most streamed artist in America. There just happened to be a
football game going on. Yeah, exactly. I mean, my wife only ever watches the halftime show
the NFL for the Super Bowl. That's it. Yeah, most people do. Okay, I have a question. Do people
not in America watch Super Bowl commercials? Is that a thing? It depends on the broadcast. In the UK,
I think it's generally on the BBC, so they just cut to a panel like ours here. Right, so there's no
American commercials. No ads whatsoever, which I know is a big part. Yeah, that's like half the
purpose, which is bizarre. I think it was. I don't think they really hold that kind of claim anymore.
No, because it's all AI slop. Yeah, sure. Yeah, well a lot of the commercials were for AI companies
That's even better. Well
You could call that better, I guess
Do the chairs have like a motto or a chant or a song loads? Yeah. Yeah, the standard football ones
Up the cherries
You'd someone would shout up the cherries and everybody else says in all departments. It's the most English thing
imagine. What does that even mean? Departments is not a word. Wait, what does that mean?
It just means, you know, let us improve in every way possible, I suppose. Quite funny.
And there's a bunch, I couldn't repeat, because they're genuinely filming. We'll just bleep it out.
No, you bleep it out. Oh, there's one about northerners. In your northern slums, in your northern
slums, I'm going to beat the entire rest of it. Because it's just filthy. I'll tell you
you something, something you think it's a laugh. You something, something in the bath,
it's hard to believe. You look in the bin for something to eat, you find a bed rat and
you think it's a treat in your northern slums, in your northern slums.
for holy crap. I know it's football is devastating when it comes in the UK. The charts can be
genuinely very funny, but some of them are just like, that's horrible. Are the are the
northerners. You're like rivals. Like what is the rivals of the Sherries? Is there a rival
team? Yeah, we've got a few, which is Southampton. Okay. The scum. They're the team we probably
hate the most. Portsmouth, because they're like nearby Brighton, because they're another
South Coast team. And then you've got to go quite a way to get to other teams because it's like
there's a little cluster of civilization in the South, on the South Coast, which is
former Southampton Portsmouth, they're all quite close. And then it's like a long way along the
coast before you get to like Exeter and Plymouth to a key. So they're so far away, you don't,
and then the other way is like a big gap and then Brighton and then just nothing.
So we started to have rivals that were like getting up towards London like Reading.
There's no real reason for Reading to be a rival apart from there in the south and you could get a bus there
I suppose, but yeah, so it's a bit where Southampton scum the scummers
Oh wait, though
No, they're called Southampton, but we call them the scum or the scummers. Why is everybody scummy the scum?
I don't know why wrong you guys nothing
The thing is so for a long time Southampton was a top league team and we were like in the third tier
So it's like Premier League championship as it is now,
League one as it is now.
So we were like, a lot of Bournemouth fans
would go to Southampton instead
because it was Premier League football.
Just fair enough, I suppose,
but at the same time it felt like a massive betrayal
because it's a different county.
It's like driving to another state
to support that team instead of your own team.
So yeah, that's what that was.
Even the broken mic, so I have to hold it to hold.
Oh, I'm sorry, mine works perfectly.
You guys aren't sports fans really,
You never talk about MDA.
Oh, that's true.
The OKC, isn't that your team?
No.
The Nuggets.
What's wrong with you?
Yeah, I like the Nuggets.
The Nuggets are my real team.
So both my teams, the Nuggets and the Suns, are both the most injury-ridden teams in
the entire league this year.
And just yesterday, as the Suns, we lost one of our main players who broke his hand.
Oh, gosh.
That brings our injury total to like four out of five of our starters.
That's the Nuggets have had the worst injury luck of the entire season.
I think they've had they've had several games without all five of their starters
They had a couple and most of you's have been without four out of five
So it's like kind of a story of my life in some ways, you know
That's a shame. I did appreciate it. We you brought up basketball. Mmm. It's a Neil
Yeah, big basketball. I don't know like he was American
Yeah, I'm sure he's spoken about it before but I also just to see I've never heard when you mentioned NBA once
Okay, I get confused. Yeah, I don't know if he does follow this for but I've never heard him talk. That's fair
Yeah, he just got a look confused. I just carried on
Standards yeah, that's pretty much. Yeah the way it goes the reason we're having this by the way is because we have some time to
Fill just see you guys know you don't have to set the bar low for the viewers
I just want to let them know what's up. Okay, otherwise they're like why is that they're panicking? Yeah, where's the
What's the sports talk exactly? Where's the e-sports exactly? Let's take a break from all that
Well, the only other thing we really know to talk about is each other's talent, which
Quinn had this idea of raiding other talent based off of various normal activities.
It's part of the reason why I felt like you were the perfect person.
You're a seasoned man.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
Yeah.
So you've done a lot of things in your life.
True.
And so it was the idea of like who among the talent would actually be good at capable
of doing certain tasks.
Exactly.
this this is it actually you're doing others unfairly is one of my favorite hobbies have you
actually have you ever done the uh I did this a few years ago back with the talent I'm not sure
if you were in that conversation the left for dead esque no okay the survival team all right
you get four people left right you get four people right to survive in a zombie apocalypse
okay that scenario right that a talent who are you taking are we excluding big L because he's
an obvious choice. Well lyrical? Yeah. I think lyrical is the number one choice. Really?
He's too nice. No, that guy's a hidden psychopath number one. He can definitely swing an axe.
I would hope so. He's ginormous. I think he would be, he would be the perfect choice for many reasons.
First of all, he's totally trustworthy. Like, you know, he's moral to his core, a lovely guy.
He's a big lad and he could swing an axe and set some zombies. If it came to it,
I can imagine him doing a whole door and like holding the door
Why to say is the door?
Like just shove him in the door. Gabe would be definitely definitely, but
He's also let's say someone from the town who's been zombified
Burst in he'd be like I can't kill me or is she so nice and she bites him on the neck and suddenly got zombie Gabe
Yeah, yeah that that is
Gabe you got the tank in left for that right there. You don't want to be messing with that
You need a lot of mollies. He starts throwing rocks around me. Yeah
That's fair. Yeah, but I do take your point
Obviously Sun's Fandon's Cinder and straight out no way
No survival on a fog. No straight out oof
You're taking me right. I don't know if I would why well, I'm great moral. So why would you why would I think?
You would close the door on the on us to save yourself the first chance you've got that's not true
Okay. Well, that's my suspicion. I have engineering skills. I could build something you swing an axe. I could swing an axe
Yeah, I could see no, I could see you every be like zombie apocalypse starts. You're like
Finally, life's life's hard enough already
Like why we gotta add the zombies into the mix, you know what I'm done. I'm done
Take myself out for the team. I'm doing it
Really? Yeah
Okay, I mean cap is a military man. Thank you service cap. By the way, I would absolutely say cap is a decent shout
I'd say you two movies a duo would be a decent shout
Work together a lot. Do you know what I mean? Sure? Sure?
You also don't Brian's quite strong and in shape might take Brian
Good honest guy not a backstabber like Brian
Would I take Andrew?
No, no, I don't think I would I might use Andrew as a distraction while the actual team escapes
Yeah, Quinn's got a limp at the moment. So he's out
Neil doesn't eat much so we could could take a meal
I would not rule a coin out actually really
See the you're thinking about taking four people and having them all survive
I'm I'm taking four and I'm instantly throwing one to the wall. Well, that was what Andrews thing was I thought, you know
It's it's the old saying like, you know, I'll run the bear you have to outrun the guy exact out running the bear
Yeah, and that's what Quinn's for Quinn's a great sacrifice
You reckon yeah, cuz he's gonna be talking about some stupid memes
Pippo faces and like scabby be toilet nice
Zombie bear comes up gracious. Yeah, and then he's gonna get eaten and that gives us time to get away
Yeah, it's us time to get to the chopper. Yeah, but then he's not part of the team
He's just part of the the initial additional cast that dies in the open. So he's like he's a fifth man. That's fine. Yeah
Geez, I'm taking you really. Yeah
Oh, you wouldn't find I take you anywhere. No, you wouldn't take me. Do you know why I was telling Quinn this the other day
My wife and I you know, you watch a lot about post-apocalyptic stuff. We have a pact that if the the
Arrow the it's every siren goes off. We don't run into a shelter
I'm running towards the bombs as fast as possible
Because I don't want to live through that apocalypse because you don't want to spend the entire
Yeah, I mean now just scrapping around for a tin of beans and I thought every would be the same thing
I thought it was just like well
Why what is it live for now? There's a it's a an apocalypse the zombies turn up. I'm like, you know what they got something going on
I'll join him stick it on through the window get bit and turn into a zombie jump down crack home with your life
You could live forever as a zombie. You don't know what it's like
Maybe they communicate telepathically. That's true. You ever think about that? Okay?
If you wanted to be on the team though, what skills do you do you feel like you bring Ted?
None. That's the problem. I couldn't even do a puzzle.
You bring in English spirit?
English spirit.
That's good for useful in history if you think about it.
Sure. Like a Chechilian spirit.
Yeah, you could sing a sea shanty while we're like rowing away from zombies.
I could cook.
I could cook.
I don't know. What's a sea? Do you know any sea shanties?
Yeah, I know a few.
Sing one for us.
No, I will not sing you a sea shanty.
Take me down to Bournemouth City.
It's not a city.
Why do they call it Brighton Rock if there's no rock there?
What do you mean?
Are you being serious? What? You know what rock is?
You know what rock is? It's like a candy as you would call it. Oh, that's what it's is that the songs about?
I know it's like a crystal. It's like a play on words. Is that actually true? I assume so. I mean it's the book, isn't it? Brighton Rock?
It's like a imagine it's like
Solid it's very solid and it's I don't know how they make it. It's not like is it actually rock candy
I think that's what you've ordered these days. Yeah, so it's like a foil sweet version like this long right?
Yeah, they're on a stick and you could have words printed through almost words
Yeah, so you at the end of the rock you look at it'll say like bright or something and that those letters go all the way
That hell is this guy talking? I'm serious. Look it up. I'm looking at it right now. Oh, well
I'm not sure if this is actually you but bright bright and rocks stick candy. Yeah
Maybe production ball. That's just a candy cane
similar vibe I think with the it's just sugar but it's like layered just caramelized sugar
yeah yeah you make it sort of layers and you they print words that go all the way it is very
clever very clever yeah one name you forgot a Trent Trent's on my list Trent lyrical op duo
outdoorsman yeah they actually are party also too good lads like you'd be stuck in a in a bunker
with them you think this is gonna be all right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's a good
shout. Trent Lyrical, S tier survival pairing. Are you not a handyman at home? I do a little
bit, but I wouldn't trust myself. You know, why bother? Geez. I mean, you weren't trust
yourself. I mean, if it was something complicated, I wouldn't do electrics. I do some very light
plumbing, but I wouldn't like to cut a tree down. Yeah, sure. But I mean, I wouldn't trust
myself to build a table or something like that. Carpentry. It's tough.
So what would you do with a tree after you cut it down? Nothing?
Burn it. Burn it. That's not good for the environment.
Okay. That's an apocalypse. Who cares?
Oh, we're still in. I was just talking generally. Oh, I see.
He went home tomorrow and you cut it. Yeah.
Your wife's gonna cut the tree down. Don't have any.
Mr. Forsythe? Don't have any.
Mr. Forsythe. I'm sorry.
I spent, I can't cut it down.
I spent all my money on writing rock and
Here's chow down
But if you had to cut a tree wouldn't you yes, I've cut trees down
But not like a big tree, but like tree trees like little trees
You think you could eventually cut a tree down with a baseball bet me or a person
How long do I have like would you have the like yeas? Yeah, the limited time
Why bother?
It's for the thrill. No, it's a thrill of the cut. No, you're just you just don't like living like
I don't know. Have you told your trebuchet story on your phone? No, not telling. That's a good story.
Why not? It's too long. It's quite a long story. People don't yearn for trebuchets.
So it's a, I think we have like 12 minutes to fill. So did you take my point the other day
when we were on the, on the broadcast yesterday when people talking about offence is that the
best form of defense is a good offense. And I've made the point that for most of history,
that has not been the case. And it's actually offense is not the best strategy. Overwhelming
technology is always. Oh, I was going to say it's disease. Right. Yeah, you just rock. In fact,
your enemies with disease or like surround their castle and starve them out. Right.
That's why chains are really the best offensive. Right. Logistics is the best. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It doesn't make for a good quote though. No. Logistics is the best offense. So logistics
guys are loving that quote. If anyone ever works in logistics. Finally, the saying has been updated.
The best offense is a good wagon train. Yeah, that's what they that's what they all say
Ted, you're one of the the oldest talent you've been here for a while. You are the
oldest. I'm 50 next month. I'm more so saying about your your time. Oh longevity. Do you miss
any of the old days? Uh, I do. I do miss quite a bit. Yeah. What do you miss about it? Um,
the summit. It's that vibe. Yeah. Um, good studio. That is that. That's me when I was about
Is that actually you? Yeah, that's me. Ted was about 19, 20 years old.
Behind the guy with hair? I think, and don't get crazy here. I think that was up the World
Trade Center. Wait a minute. Yeah, I'm serious. That would have been about 1995, 96. And that
might well have been taken at the top of the World Trade Center. What year was it? 96? Yeah,
like 95, 96. One month. I don't know. September. September 96. I think I was scouting ahead.
A lot of coincidences Ted he lives in the US visit is the World Trade Center in September maybe 11th
We don't know it wasn't it would have been August. He has hair. That was me towers fall. Yeah, no hair
I see you think that the hair right in rock. Do I need to put it together for you? Like this is now
Just asking the questions Ted and just asking the questions. Oh, I do I do also miss
Obviously, it's a bit different now with people like Insaneur and Quinn hanging out with the players. Yeah, they're terrible
No, what I was gonna say is a back in the old days of TI3, TI4, TI5, TI6 even
The players would hang out with you by default. Yeah, like you what it felt more like
Certainly, I mean, you know if you were a EU or an NA player
It felt like it was there was a lot more connection that we were all just on the scene
Yeah, because the players hadn't become that kind of professional bootcamping team house kind of stuff
Especially at ci3. I think it was more egalitarian like everybody was kind of
Everybody's on the same playing field. Hmm. They were all just new to it. Yeah. Yeah, of course. There was no ego
Well, there was ego. There wasn't any
Alpha dog bullshit
Like there is today do you mean in terms of players or in terms of like the scene saying anything anybody man?
It's like
Just even it's like you chilling you go in a hot tub. It's you gave new all I
Don't know whether they still
Ted's there
You just get not up sing sing doing his thing not like that, but you know, yeah
Not in the hot tub. I also miss them when we would go there like I miss things like true site
I miss things like when valve were more directly involved in ti and events. I do miss that
Like when we'd go to Seattle and it would be like come and have a look around the offices and see all the cool stuff
We're doing and that it really did feel like we were part of something that we were there was like more of a family aspect
I think
And you know people like LD and guys like that were just good lads
Yeah, who I obviously miss a lot and now I'm still doing this and I'm like I wonder what happened to certain
You know they will kind of go in their separate ways and stuff like that
So there's a lot of people that have gone over the years that I obviously miss
some I don't and some people that if you wish they would I think I think there
are some things about the setup that was worse like it was objectively like
worse situation but it bound us together more and I think the two of
those things we were talking about this last night was the having a room with
somebody oh god right where you you you just show up to an event in some other
maybe production person maybe talent yeah you know and you just stuck in that
situation. Yeah. I mean, the whole situation in terms of working events, it felt more like
a slightly more organized house party than a professional eSports event. Not just the
summit, but a lot of times it really was just a lot crapper, but a lot more fun because
of it, a lot more sort of flexibility. That's a real character's knocking about that we're
just kind of insane. But in front of and behind the camera. Yeah. And now I think it's much
more professional. It's much more structured. And we actually have sponsors, which was a big
struggle back in the day, was getting sponsors for events that was always the hardest part.
And you'd find some bizarre sponsor from somewhere. Yeah.
Shout out to 100TV Tom.
So that's it right now. He'd be, shout out.
Watching from his cell.
Is he still in prison?
He's not still in prison.
Okay. We found that.
That's a good story.
Have you spoken about that on the podcast?
Yeah, no, I don't think that's my story to tell that was a hell of a story and it's a
shenanigans. Yeah, shenanigans. I'll have a story probably. Yeah, the legend. What are
the hundred TV Tom? It's he was the former DC owner for anyone that doesn't know. He
was like Shannon would have intimate knowledge of what a yeah, the short story is he went
to jail for wire fraud. Yeah, absolute. But I think he was emblematic of that time. Oh,
yeah. Yes. There's a lot of people throwing a lot of money around the Cowboys. A lot of
Promises yeah a lot of grift. Did I tell you the weirdest interaction I had with him? Did I ever tell you this? No, this was at a summit and
We'd done Frankfurt major and he said to me the after-party. We were all very drunk. Ho-do was the DJ
Yeah, that's why I know he said to me. Um, I wanted to put on an event a door event in London in the UK
I was like, okay said sure me and Shane can do that. What kind of budget don't care
do okay, whatever, whatever. And months go past and I'm planning this and planning this.
Go out to a summit and he's there. And I sort of booked some shit and I was planning stuff.
I wanted to run it by him and everything. And I've left the hotel to get some lunch.
There was a Chili's down the road. I'm in the Chili's. He is 100% it's him sat right
there at the bar, eating lunch. And I sit down a few tables of a few seats away. I'm
like trying to get his attention. Tom, hey, Tom, he's just studiously ignoring me because
as he's been dodging my emails and calls and texts and Skype messages, just pretends that
it's not him and that I'm not there and he can't hear me, doesn't have earphones in,
which ignores me. And I thought, well, this is done. I mean, this is clearly not going
to actually happen. Get back. I see him at the house because obviously he's at the house
when I go back later. It's like, did I see you at Chili's earlier today, lunchtime? No,
No, no, I wish I'd been in a choose. No, I was like, am I going insane?
I mean, it was him. There's no doubt in my mind.
Yeah, he's very recognizable for it was him.
It would be like I knew him at this point.
I'd seen him so many times.
It wasn't like at a distance.
I thought it was him.
I sat as close to him as I am to you.
He pretended it wasn't him and I was like, this guy's insane.
So it really didn't surprise me when he got busted.
He was like a twin or something.
Fuck it. No way.
Tom, too. Well, Nick, him as well, just to be on the safe side.
Well, geez, okay, we don't know if they're violent there, Ted.
Nick him, that's just arrested him.
Now where I'm from.
Oh, wow, okay.
Say that, and that's a, I mean, it's a whole different thing.
The other one was the fact that we always had to go into events.
You would work start to finish, right?
There was one shuttle at the beginning.
One shuttle, one shift, that's it.
And that, it was miserable, man, because you would, you would be like,
there from start to finish, you'd just be like,
sometimes you wouldn't be working two or three series.
Yeah.
You'd just be sitting around, doing nothing.
Especially if it was somewhere like like I realized that obviously here where the studio is is not like close close to the hotel
It's not like a mile away or whatever. Yeah, but sometimes you'd be staying really far away and
Someone that was the driver was also the graphics guy. So there was no one to drive the van
To take you to the hotel. So yeah, you literally were just just stuck there or whatever and
Yeah, there was some also some of the setups
So I remember the idea that, do you remember when it was like the English language cast
was the cast?
The first event I ever worked, which was with Zoe.
Do you remember Zoe?
Yeah, of course.
It was me and Zoe.
I think no Tidehunter won the event.
That's how long ago this was.
And it was in Poland.
And the...
It was EMS-1.
EMS-1's Katowice.
It's a progenitor.
It's an ESL-1.
Yeah, that's right.
The Russian cast was just in the hallway and it was just Vila with a computer that they'd
basically set up in the hallway and to stop anyone just walking up and saying what are
you doing?
They had borrowed some velvet ropes you know that they used to in like in a bank.
They just had that around them.
So there's just this hotel corridor with him just screaming his head off and people like
looking and seeing what the heck is going on.
I was like, what is this setup?
And they had fans, like 20 fans in this tiny room and the players are like right there.
Yeah, it was weird. There was so little disconnect between the fans and the players and the talent and everything
It was like it really was weird felt very basic
That was a crazy blow up to go from like that and then literally six months later
There was the first ESL one right in Frankfurt and that's in a stadium. Yeah professional event. Yeah, but also it was weird that
The whole adult was like that and then every year go to TI
And it was like one of the reasons it felt so big was there was nothing that came close to this level of no
It felt like, holy shit, this is unbelievable.
And it's like, well, then two weeks time,
I'll be in a shed with LD.
Like, it was, it really did feel like it's so much more
professional now and more polished.
But it did lose a little bit of that sort of rock and roll
and cowboy charm, I think.
But it also feels, I know if I work in a vent,
I'm almost certainly going to get paid, almost certainly.
But whereas a lot back then, you'd be like,
hey, about that money, but like, sorry,
I'm ghosting you forever.
Yeah, that's funny. I need some guy chillies and he doesn't
I
Think I got paid for everything until
like
2017 right when were those GSCs? Well, yeah, we don't need to talk about
There was a dark times sometimes yes, he Tom
See Tom, yeah, the twin brother. He pulls Tom. You bet. It's a lot of time out there. Oh
Oh, man.
Alright, well, this is a fun walk down memory lane.
Thank you, Ted.
Might as well be quite enjoyable.
Uh, we are prepping for the next series, so I don't know exactly where we're gonna go
from here.
Maybe it's the panel.
Maybe it's to a break.
We're gonna find out.
It's gonna be a break, and then we'll come back with our next series, which I don't remember
what it is.
Adios.
You
I've been wasting my time, feeling for me, but that's the way that I am.
Right now I am with the one and only, my love
Every one and only, I'm with you, I want to walk
Nothing is new, nothing is new to me
But I want to know everything, change it
So I jump into the air
It is a world of changes
Waitin' to fall, waitin' to die
Waitin' to fall, waitin' to die
Waitin' to fall, waitin' to die
I say it's so hard to find Someone's special
The world can spin around with no one else
But now, that morning when I wake up
I want to fly
Now that it is the right place to live
But now, another day
Just give it one more chance
Don't wanna do this dance
Just give it one more try
Don't wanna sing it now
Once we were both so happy
Just hanging out
There was no doubt
Why didn't we take for granted?
All that was good, I wish we could
Find what we had and bring it back
I'll try
Let's give it one more try
Don't wanna do this to me
Don't wanna stop anymore
Let's give it one more try
Don't wanna say goodbye
I know we both had moments, we're both the same
No one's to blame, no
I'm sure that you would agree, it's not over yet
Let's not forget, almost all the time is up on wood
So come on out and watch it
yeah, yeah
Don't wanna deal with this to die
I'ma dance this till I end
Is there one more try?
Just need one more try
Don't wanna stand again
For the world
The love life we once had just
Can't be denied
If we run free on this way there
Let's get out of here!
Get out of here!
Get out of here!
Get out!
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Oh my God, Quinn's here also.
Wow, what a panel!
Well, it was the last time you two handshucked.
Outside of a grand final.
I think so.
Yeah, I mean, it's the TI, right?
That's the TI.
Yeah...
Was the handshake courteous at that point?
Or was it contentious?
No, it was always courteous.
It was.
Yeah...
Some people have fun.
I can actually... I can give a different side of this perspective.
Insanity, your mic is perhaps...
Your mic is dead.
MIA, but...
They step off for our audio techniques.
I will regale you of something in the meanwhile, so as a stage host...
Shocking.
We... it was Blackston and I getting ready for the trophy ceremony for that grand final.
And we have to like get in the mindset, so we're like hyping ourselves up, we're like,
okay, we're gonna go outside, you know, oh my god, you just won TI.
And so we're like hyping each other up before the stage.
And then Ace and Tofu walks to you while we're like,
yeah, all right, let's go, all right.
And they are just completely destroyed,
like this man's all dead.
And so like we have the biggest smiles on our faces.
And we're getting so hyped up and they're just like,
and then I immediately had to like,
dude, I was a gross man.
Yeah.
That's a classic.
Classic.
Yeah, but all's well that ends well.
Yeah.
Yeah, they smooth things over and now they're on the same team together exactly life goes on. It's all good
Well, it's a day. It's just an empty cup, you know, well an empty shield. I suppose in that case. Yes
Welcome back
Now that you're here I can again defer to Quinn's expertise as we are now getting into our second is series
Tell me a little bit about what to expect with
Tundra versus party pushers.
Yeah, so they've got some signature heroes.
They've been brewing on opposite sides here.
You can see Beastmaster 100% win rate between the two teams.
That has not lost the game yet on either one of them.
I think this will be a very crucial hero for the series.
And I think this is one of the most interesting things
about big best of threes between really good teams
is how the preparation is done, what heroes teams decide to leave,
what heroes they decide to ban, and how that stuff is figured out.
Largo, I think, is another big one.
that Chandra really prioritizes in Paravision, a little bit less so, but still some there.
And so how does Paravision go about saying, okay, maybe we ban it,
because we don't like it as much as they do.
There's all these sort of mechanics of how much you like Hero compared to how much the other team does,
banning Comfort versus banning what you think is objectively good.
And then, you know, we talk about Comfort, we have to talk about Slark and Monkey King.
These are Paravision Heroes 2AT, no one else plays these Heroes, it's nine class specific.
They have a lot of power, they do very annoying specific things
that you have to be okay dealing with.
But they're not flawless heroes.
We saw the Monkey King lose yesterday to Aurora,
so they let the hero through,
and other teams have been leaving them little bits and pieces.
We see it here as permission.
They get the Monkey King near the end of the draft.
Aurora just did not care,
and I think that's the opposite end of the spectrum,
where instead of firstly spanning it every time,
you say, we have answers for it on a hero level,
but also an understanding level.
I think a lot of these things like Monkey King and Slark 4 are their ideas, heroes.
They make the game uncomfortable.
They make it weird for you.
So if you do replay study and you look at these things, you figure out what is it actually
doing for their gameplay?
What are the types of things he likes to do?
And you can both draft and also play in a way that prevents that or makes it harder.
And I think something else that's really, really big for them is the Phoenix.
I think that was a hero that over the course of this tournament has been popping up like
crazy.
Plunder has played it in all three games in their best of three yesterday.
And Paravision banned it twice against Aurora yesterday at first phase.
So I'm curious going into this series, where the priority on that is.
If it's bumped up into that first phase ban against Tundra as well, if they've talked
about it last night and come up with more answers as they did lose 2-0 to Aurora despite
banning the Phoenix.
So there's all these questions that go into the draft, go into the bans, a lot of work
that's done there.
It's very psychological.
Have you're scared of something if you are trying to assert dominance in the draft?
So I'm very curious to see how that pans out.
And I imagine that a great deal that will be leveraged on prioritization between first
pick and second pick, because we had an interview earlier with 33, and this may be a sentiment
shared across most teams right now, but he said he doesn't really care about rating
or dire.
Yeah.
Side advantage seems to be a non-factor.
Pick advantage seems to be far more important.
Yeah, I think side advantage is generally considered pretty irrelevant, except in specific cases.
I think this side lane sometimes there's like, people find ward spots that you can block
camps from like in tree nooks and then it changes people like radiance better.
There was a time when it kept changing the tree patterns and
radiance kept being better because you could block some camp from some dumb spot
or like there's some really tricky century on the dire small camp.
Like there's some weird stuff like this that people will prefer aside because of
literally just this one thing. Like there's this tree here and that's
why we think dire is better but it's like very team and like opinion based
whereas pick I think generally there's a more like consistent sentiment on it.
And if it is picked on the agenda, then the Beastmaster struck me that you brought up.
Although, Intanya, there seems to be more flex potential for Tundra's...
Wait, is it Tundra's?
Tundra's Beast. Yeah, it goes in three lengths.
Pure MBCM. Although 33 has not played it yet, but he can.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's not us.
So maybe he doesn't think it's maybe the best hero on his role,
but he will definitely play it if it's a good Beastgame.
Which makes it a triple flex for them, whereas Part of the Region,
they've only really given no one the Beastmaster.
Yeah. I mean, Satanic is capable of playing it.
He played it when it was broken.
Like, when it was really broken, Satanic could play it.
Yeah. I think it's another case of, like,
it's probably not, like, you don't want Satanic not playing a hard carry,
but, like, he could play it if the time is right.
Yeah.
And we have been now very used to Satanic being a member of the party vision squad.
We actually got a chance to speak to Nucalus about flooding in their new teammates
as well as his team's psychology.
We played for a long time together, and we wanted to stay together after TI, and we decided to go through our problems,
and also we included psychologists in this to help improve on the mental state.
But after working for three months, we saw that we are having problems that we probably are not going to solve,
and affecting our in-game and out-game communication and gameplay, so we decided to make a roster change.
Without our roster change, Sean Scrims were doing well, and I think our expectations were good, and expectations are going well, Scrims are going well, and I think we just need to see how to approach the new player, because he's doing glory now, and I think we're in a good way.
Oh, it's looking rough from that boom, they maybe overplayed their hand, it's now safe.
I don't expect anything, I want to just grind more and try to become better,
because that's the only way with the new player, because it's a whole new team, we just need to try our best.
As far as match success as ParryVision has found over the past year,
sometimes a little bit of new blood can reinvigorate a team that maybe spinning in circles a little bit.
I don't care who they have, as long as 9 class gets to do whatever he wants.
That's the showstopper right there.
I'll be real with you. Always fun to watch.
Genuinely, surely the most obnoxious support to play against.
Probably.
Feels like there's no one else who can have the sort of needle that is just in the back of your
neck you can't quite reach, just constantly finding ways to piss people off. Like if he was in your
a pub game you would think I never want to play against this guy because he would pick
some dog shit and just own you with it. Last time I worked at Dream League, which wasn't
the most recent one, but I think middle of last year or maybe last year, it was insane.
He like they Paravision was so much better than everyone else. They were just he just
picked punch and it looked like the best hero in the in the game, which of course it is.
But it rarely looks like it at the pro level. He just picked you just hook the people like
Mad man, just give this guy whatever he wants, whatever he wants, and watching him is a pleasure.
As long as he doesn't want a traditional position for a hero.
Yeah, don't give him anything regular.
Don't be like, you're gonna play Warlock.
No!
No!
It has to be something where you're like, what the hell?
And then they're like, oh, this is nine classes here, and then he does whatever.
I honestly think you could give him anything and he'd make it look good.
Do you reckon you could change his position and still be a good player?
Do you reckon for a guy like this, you just have to say, just let him do whatever he wants?
I think he's of like four through and through. I don't think you can put anywhere else
There's some degree of freedom that comes with the position
But I don't think you could really like find anywhere else. It'd be too bored doing anything else genuinely
I think so. I think that's why he can't play standard heroes
I think he legitimately gets to bored right and then just ruins the game because he's bored like the guy can't back
Or do he's like I'm not pissing anyone off like I'm just I'm kidding NPCs. I don't hit NPCs boring
I want to go poke some guy's neck with my needle like that is it's and I think it's so interesting that
That is like a thing you can do in Dota and it's like you can win turn
You can be the best team in the world doing this like that's such a funny concept that one guy can be like you know
I screw all the normal crap. I'm gonna piss you off
And that's my whole gameplay as I'm going to irk you
Sometimes it doesn't work. I do remember him playing a lot of terrible age you remember that yeah
And there was one where he just arm lit. He was just hiding in the trees for like five minutes
We did like a recap after the game, which I believe they lost where he was just hiding in the trees doing nothing
Yep, I do that shit. How is this guy a pro player? What is happening? I believe that's Bangkok finals. Oh, it's so funny
I don't need to be in there. Not in Bangkok. This was at a dream league. Oh, is that a dream?
Yeah, it was all kinds of which the one they won. He was definitely playing TV with the arm lid low fars
No, not in the finals, I think.
Did he do it against us?
You weren't in the finals, were you?
Bangkok.
Bangkok? Did he not do it against you?
No, we weren't in Bangkok. I don't think so.
I'm not referring to Bangkok, just to...
Maybe he has multiple highlight or low light reels of him attempting to...
Pretty sure he does.
Zero percent thunder people.
So funny.
Which initially I was a little bit apprehensive about Puffy becoming the coach for PartiVision,
coach for party vision because I thought that that kind of insanity was enabled by
Estini because I remember interviewing him and oftentimes he would come to the
players and be like is there anyone you want to play and if so I will try to
build a strategy around these weird heroes and I don't imagine that puppy
takes the same approach I think he almost certainly does genuinely yeah very
smart guy knows Dota very well this is a man who had eternal envy on his team
He's used to saying look I'm not gonna like be able to fully control you
So I'm just gonna try and make things as good for you as possible
So I think that he almost certainly had a conversation with nine class which is like look I've watched you you play
I understand fully what you want to do that. I'm here for it
I think probably does like the reverse, you know
He like sit there like sharpening his machete as he's like nine class come in here and then he's like
So I heard you want to play shadow demon
That's a real metapick, 9-class, no one to let go of that one, chief.
Oh my god, they gave away the bat.
They gave away the bat, but they get Windranger in return as we get into the draft for game
number one.
And unsurprisingly, 9-class will always get his Flark first-phase band up, along with
Templar Assassin and Razor, party version.
They ban out the treat, the Shadowfiend, the Largo, and wouldn't you look at it, it's
Beastmaster taken out
Is there any chance we could get Razor's win rate up?
I know it was really low early on but I can't remember what it is like more recently
I will investigate it
I think it's relatively low
Currently Razor is a 32 picks in this tournament
40% win rate
So what about Invoker?
Invoker you had brought up earlier
Invoker it's not that picked
No
He's only 11 picks but 45% win rate
But when BZN plays it?
BZN that's a good qualification
BZN currently has a two picks on the hero 100% win rate and see and the other one to 100% win rate is Nisha
Okay, so if you take them out of the equation take them out of the equation
I mean being perfectly honest all of four of Paravision's fans make sense against Tundra
You have to but you do let the bat through that is a problem because this here is
super good. I mean it's kind of a pick your poison type situation right you're
not gonna be able to ban everything else you're gonna ban you're gonna leave
something that you know you can counter pick and based on the bands they
probably thought like alright that is our hero of choice I mean this is another
specialty of the past he I would say he was more of a bad player a few years
ago than more recently but whenever the hero is good he's always playing it they
They ban two really nice supports, I like both disruptor and nix against bot, they both
kinda cause issues for him in different ways.
Also sort of fits that weird hunting style that Paravision likes.
They just want to sit there with their random goobery heroes and I can just run around.
I sure hope that's not foreshadowed even.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
This is what I was confused by because they banned out the Largo first phase, so they're
protecting the Dispel against Windranger, but then they ban out Centaur which is fine,
but then now they have to take the Shadow Demon,
otherwise Tundra's gonna take the Shadow Demon.
So now is it a non-class Shadow Demon?
I mean, no, maybe, maybe, maybe you can take this
Windranger, some kind of a core
and you can still get Nightclas here.
Look at him, he is not happy.
Looks like they put him in a small
solitary confinement cell.
Do you, do you imagine Puppy like asks him,
like, so Nightclas, what do you wanna play?
And then on this screen, it's like half the screen is far,
half the screen is Monkey King.
And he's like, I think Monkey looks pretty good here.
those portraits are just like blown exactly half the screen is just like so
non-classes heroes during this tournament he has played shout even
twice and he has won both games one against Aurora and one against your
co-brothers I like to think that sometimes he has to do this and they're
like as a reward sure you can play Terrablade 4 next game or whatever it's
like a one for me one for you type thing the character the stick and it's
Tundra get their hands on a phoenix and a tiny.
This is a really scary team so far from Tundra.
This is interesting.
Like, it's quite...
Holy...
Are you kidding me?
He's making a statement.
Where is he? A haunted house?
Ha ha ha!
That's kind of base though.
Look at that!
I like the hairy legs too, I feel like.
You know how many players that play in this weird sitting position?
Yeah, it's like 20 just now, it's so bad, it's not that big, dude, it's the Ramzes meta
Is it? I feel like it's yeah, I was gonna say it's Ramzes and it's meta, yeah, who else do you have in mind?
Yawar played like that, I mean I sometimes did like a one knee up, but not always like the entire game
Yawar did, I used to
How did Yawar sit? Yawar, Yawar sat with the both knees up. Oh really?
Arms around the knees
That one's crazy to me, no one really looks like a builder that works for me sometimes
Just a proper lat.
He's gonna fix the midland then.
He is too.
As soon as that brick comes off the new mate, we can get started on the side panels.
I don't wear my mateies, you never show that.
Whee!
Pan's broken down again.
But instead, he's just a mid player and better.
I'll just go beat this tiny mid real quick.
Wait a minute, go win some dopes.
What up?
Which I am a little bit surprised that they go for BZM's Tiny Saw early on.
Totally blind.
So this is a cool wendy
This will be a four tiny
There's pretty well with that rider and that it's male a classic male a plus range combo sure thunder's a mid only though
So for this tournament. Yeah, cuz I was shocked by this too
I had the I had the exact same reaction yesterday because I was like saying how I think this hero's not that good of a mid hero
And then Neil listed like the positions they play each hero and that is correct
And I just assumed he was gonna say tiny is a force. I didn't listen and he said like yeah, it's exclusively a mid here for them
Yep, they've played it four times and BZM has won every single game on it.
But they played with Caudal almost exclusively, right?
I think it's been with Caudal almost every time I've seen it.
I diss-draft from Paravish. Two save heroes?
Like, that's a lot of save.
That is a lot of save.
Where's the damage?
You're relieving so hard on this Wendy in Primal to do everything, because you've got...
I mean, don't get me wrong, we're in Master Shadow Demon's super-locked play against.
We do damage and stuff, but compared to like back and tiny
These are these are this is a problem they mix it up quite a bit actually the most common pairing
I see with the tiny is the Phoenix the coddle was only one of the games
What is already play and that's what I'm most curious about so are you played it coddle in one?
He played shadow demon in another game, which is not gonna be possible for this one
Okay, two coddles. Yeah, and a shadow shaman and the shadow shaman was a loss if I'm not wrong
No, they've won all the time again.
That was a good one.
You want to see Ari in the flesh? Come to Birmingham.
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Cheer him on.
British blood.
He's all live, isn't he?
On land.
Yeah, I know.
The crowd went nuts for him last time.
Ari, Ari, Ari.
Very happy.
We finally get one of ours up there.
Oh, my God.
What are you guys?
Interesting to pick a position, so I think this is the position 4 on 18. That's like saying like it's so weird
It is very odd, but for them, I think probably like what they're evaluating right like if the call is banned here
What are we playing? Yeah, and is there anything that could be of the same value to our draft?
For cuz it's between picking pure and Ori right? Yeah, so they're saying this call is more important to our draft than whatever hero pure wants to play
So usually in liquid the way this situations would go is we would discuss like how many options to be half for Mickey here
And he would say like I have this I have this I have this and if there's more than three and you're kind of happy with any of them
Then you're in a pretty good position to pick the bottle which I would say his pools pretty wide so far not that many carriers have been banned out
There's templates that's been taken out technically razor if you want to consider that and then shadow fiend as well
Yeah, I mean Beastmaster also has been a pure hero this event. So yeah
Um, tough to keep that in mind.
But he, it's one of the advantages of Pure, I think, and he's quite willing to play anything.
And we talked about like the ego thing in the Crystal Liss vs. Pure series the other
day.
I think Pure is the kind of guy that will just like say, like, I don't play this hero
for two months, but I don't care.
I'll own it there anyway.
100's lineup is so...
It's not one you see very often.
It's kind of just like a million spell casting fighting bros.
Yeah.
I feel like I and I think it's decently good against what Paravision has like generally the
Neckbreaker for that type of draft is pipe
And I don't think you won't probably made that much this game because if too many spells it's kind of bad a skirmishing against them
So you are gonna have a pipe on Paravision side which is generally
Kind of rough to not have a pipe against this much magic damage this much sort of poke and kite
Which I think is also stereotypically the best thing against win ranger
you want to be able to go in and out, kite her, win, run, shit for HP, because she doesn't really buy satanic,
she doesn't have that much HP regen, and she, like, wants to lock on a guy and kill that one guy,
but if there's lots of stuns and lots of random garbage, then it's hard for her to actually maneuver in the fight.
Because she has no mobility tools, she's just, like, she's just Wendy, standing there running around.
So I think, like, thematically, I like...
I think she's just Wendy.
That's what he's been saying.
Wendy.
Like, like, the American fast food Wendy?
Her name is Wendy.
Is it?
No, it's like some... No, it's not.
Yes it is, 100%
Okay, yes it is, 100%
Yeah, her name is Wendy
Sorry, you were at a really good point
No, I just, I like, I like 100s heroes even they're kind of unorthodox
The instruction here is stronger
Wendy Runner, that's her name
Well, runners are lack
Is it like how we call, we call witch doctor Woody
Really?
Yeah
That's a classic one, Woody is Woody
Woody
WD
Woody
Woody
Woody
Beastmaster Bandai by ParryVision
They think that this tiny could go safe lane or they replicating Mickey with the carry Batrider
That's like something and honestly could see pure do I think sure this is the kind of thing we're like
He has some degree of aura in that regard where you kind of just have to respect the fact that he's willing to
Do something a little crazy. Yeah out of the carries that he's paired up with tiny that aren't banned on where it was one and
Kaz was another one. I wouldn't say mark does especially good this game
It's not very good against windrunner like you don't have a killer
because of the windrun. You don't super want to buy MKB. There isn't really like any, because I think if you pick Marta you kind of want to pick it with purpose. It's not a hero that's just strong, in and of itself.
Then do you have any nullifier buyers who may be on the agenda if you want to deal with Windranger?
I go with the Cuzz.
Yeah, I mean I think with two ranged supports generally you want at least two melee cores, otherwise you're going to end up a little bit too dainty.
You need the two difficult to end up actually in the fight. It's true though.
You can all just sort of yeah on the fence someone else go no you go in no you go
Nobody's going in yeah, and at some point you just get jumped because you're like pointing at each other spider-man style
Laying out the doilies and tea cups someone's gonna just get in there, but pinkies out but those pecking pinkies
How's primarily against tiny men in this game you think it's not good. I think it's relatively drosh. Yeah, it's like primal in the game
I feel like there's too much garbage for it to be farm-led, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
It doesn't like garbage, just stuff.
Right.
I feel like I would have liked a different offlaner, but it kind of comes at the value
of like, would the Primal Mid be able to do its job?
Would it still be strong?
Because I feel like if you're able to pick something against the Kez, just slow the game
down and allow you to play more around Mid, that would have been kind of nice for the
party side.
But I guess they're banking on like no one kind of crushing lane and snowballing through there
That's why they offer the queen of pain to go up against the tiny mid
That's the thing is I don't think co-op like ultra crushes this lane like you can do really well
But the cuddle always skews these matchups because tiny can use his spells like a bit of an idiot
And it'll also have stacks and still get refilled so like
I think it can be it can get a little bit hairy
Um, it's like it's an amazing queen game like it's good against all five of their heroes
So like if he gets really far and he can absolutely pop off and you know, they can take some skirmishes like it could be oppressive, but
Like I agree in that I think their lineup wants up. They wanted a pipe
They wanted like auras they wanted another melee hero type deal
Because now they've got the quadruple range guys with one solitary primal that's true
Yeah, it's not an easy primal game
So they have a lot hinging on his game being decent and it's not decent then they can have probably most
And he's gonna have to have a decent game going into a kez in his lane.
I think it's quite tough. I don't think it's like a very free matchup.
I mean, it's hard to say because I think they have the evaluation of like maybe picking something like Tide to make the kez's life harder.
Yeah, and then send the Primal Med. Exactly. Or make no one's life better on Queen of Pain.
Right, and they value no one's game over SSS.
I worry about what these Paravision supports can do. I don't know if they can get much going early on.
Two save supports. We'll see.
We'll see. Let's get into it. Time for our game with Cap and I'll see you soon.
Welcome, everybody, to the second series of the day, PariVision vs. Tundra, which I expect
to be a bit of a banger, that is, if PariVision can bring the fight to Tundra, but our analysts
I feel like, uh, maybe a bit of a problem, you're dead sane, I don't know if these supports are gonna get enough done.
Is there a weird enough hero for Night Class as well?
Yeah, I was thinking about that, like, how much weird stuff can you do with Ringmaster?
He also took her to Classics!
Oh, what is that, you know?
Yeah, if he'd take the other one now, that would have been a Night Class move.
I will take Disruption into the whip!
Sounds pretty nice, and it's gonna be put to use to get Night Class vs. Blood.
Very nice. Now he did pick up the runes, so we'll be three runes here for Tundra, and
the first blood went to nine class, not one of the cores. So I think a lot of people would
actually rather have the three runes than first blood on us to the port. I thought nine
class was one of the cores. That's true. You could pull something out of his hat here.
See what kind of moves he makes on the ringmaster. More traditional support. Which I think you
always feel good about if you can put him on a traditional like ranged support
in particular if it's not his monkey it's not his floors you've already won half
the battle sure I'm going back to what they played yesterday though with this
caudal beanie tiny trifecta doom really gotta watch out for it also the chalk
the chakra behind the fat riders pretty spooky as well white one committing to
get the sentry might have just gotten himself killed for it. Not quite. If man class had
perhaps a different little trinket in his back pocket.
I think the panel's point about the queen pick was spot on. I don't think it's really
what their draft wanted, but they just prioritized no one having a good lane, maybe not letting
BZM get too far ahead. I think he has in theory a good queen game, but the one thing I think
is different now is I think this bat matchup is a little more towards the bat than it used to be
because it's very queen favorite in general putting daggers onto this hero you just slow him down
to the fight you just burst him it's really annoying but this bat rider kind of even played more as
just a tank like he just kind of walks in the fight with auras and some extra move speed you also
don't slow him down because he goes boots a bearing that as well if you get boots a bearing
it's great against him if you get pipe it's good against him if you get lotus orb it's great against
I feel like every item this version of Batrider buys from the alt-blade is good against Queen of Pain,
which isn't going to make the matchup in a sleight better, but it helps you overcome it a lot more.
So I don't know if 33 actually cares that much, right? And you're not even lane-aid.
Sure. The lane was a big component of this matchup where you shut down like the mid-batrider with dagger spam, and you can't do his normal thing.
Can you maybe kill him?
Here he's gonna dodge that, just do stacks, and then build utility. It's kind of like, you know, whatever, you know, it's a first big bat.
So, not as convinced by this last bit, Queen, for some of those reasons, but of course if
no one can dominate this lane and just gale into the game, he's gonna be, he's gonna be
top to clean down late in the game because you have double save behind him.
And his hero can get really tanky.
I will say that, uh, Triple S, it seems like the trend right now, everybody's final
They got to mix up the cosmetics to make him as ugly as possible
But I do feel like triple S has reached another level in that regard
Size legacy
Since I have retired before final D's came in yeah, I think so that's sad
Feel like this was majoring I really is perp would have a perfect hero in this play style
You know, I was thinking about it, the double save supports always feels kind of weird.
They can save each other, which looks really good in certain mid-game scenarios, but oftentimes
it lacks in any real bite between the two heroes comboing up, but Shadow Neem and Ringmaster
actually has like a pretty nice combo, which is disruption into the whip.
You know, you get a full, you get a max damage, max duration, whip, and spell can slap.
The guy's support duo is pretty balanced.
They have BKB Peers, they have a lot of early damage in nukes.
The laning's fine, they can stack, they can play the duo lanes.
It's pretty well rounded.
You're not going to get punished too hard for going for double save here, like you would in some like high-o dazzle support duo.
Yeah, exactly.
What the hell are we doing in this game other than group up and push?
It's a quiet laning phase, everybody gets a little bit of something.
Definitely some stacks are going to go out in this style of game.
33 already up to his usual lane.
Skippy nonsense, there are stacks being built on.
Radiant Triangle, the one who's got triple S gets another kill on here.
They start off with the early first blood off of the bounty rune, and now another kill on lane.
And now I'll get a strong Mantaonic for 9 class off that kill.
So, very nice Karne classic to pick up here, especially for the Primal.
Yeah.
SSS up to a good start up here with the Triangle Boots tech.
Should be coming out to him soon Man that taunt is annoying
Just for the record They're definitely way more annoying taunts
in the game This one doesn't even have the user in the
general. Yeah, thank God. Music ones are the worst.
Yep.
corruption for the D word. Got it. What are you going to do about
that? Nothing.
Somehow, Kez with two deaths is highest network.
It's way now.
Yeah, he has less CS than the WinRanger.
Less CS the WinRanger two deaths higher network.
How long do you think this tranquil boots thing is gonna last like when do you
think this gets patched out now that it's become really mainstream probably
sure that's usually what happens with these gimmicks
all I know is that like a lot of times that when it comes to playing pubs and
playing off lane watching these tournaments sometimes you get inspired
I'm like I can't wait to play off lane again and I haven't felt that until this
tranquil boot thing because I feel like the offline kind of need to gimmick like
that Sonic wave well time pushes back white man while hitting BGM getting
no one the double perfect sonic wave perfect support rotation they even get
the room taken away from the time 100 game nothing that exchange might lose
pure again who is the dagger is not gonna miss the kill as a result of grappling
claw to get away gives a little whoopee cushion to close the gap but unless
9 class lands this next dagger. How long till he's got it? Nope.
Close.
Try this for the whip. Pure went the other direction, lost the 50-50, now he's got a dagger.
And he's still gonna hit him! And he got a right click on him too! He's gonna kick out!
Ohhhh...
He flashes because you got given a tango!
Okay, MarioVision's just destroying this top lane now. What has gone on?
There's a feeding frenzy up here. That regen rune on the 9 class ringmaster didn't work there.
If you get Ari's Courier Bottom, they're contesting Wisdom Shrines. You get to disrupt them here for it.
So you need to get in here with somebody else.
Blinding Light, push the...
Push the...
33 gets in there in time.
Powershot comes through, actually does a lot of damage.
33's gonna die to the Focus Fire, perhaps, no, he flies off the screen.
Good play by him.
Satanic is still able to take the Wisdom Shrine, though.
Cut drop.
I mean, it could have gotten worse, but it's still bad.
This is getting rough in this slain phase. Down 3k, they lose Wisdom Shrines.
Five levels behind at the seven and a half-minute mark. Pretty insane. This support level difference right now.
There's a reason Paul's getting so aggressive here. Zantana Guardi pretty high level.
No way you're fighting him when you were facing him. He's relegated to jungle early on on the Spatrider, and the fighting does not stop.
She's too much poison on him, whether it's the poison takes the only level in there, but maybe the poison from the dagger
Put the primal into this play. He's fine. He's fine
Thunder's getting out number out maneuver now lane right now. They got nothing going for
Hello power into party's hands. No one will collect an illusion not a bad rune in this case
Really dispelled could be pretty nice
They got that without even the sonic wave. That's back up for no one now.
So even when the Tiny comes back to lane, it's spooky time.
Gotta find a pressure point here, Tundra. Where is it? It's not in the Bat lane. It was Jumbling.
As Tiny is gotten ransacked, and your kez is also jumbling, so...
Kind of scary on the map right now in terms of where do you go with supports other than just stack and hope
Part you give you time to clear stacks and recover in this game and pure had to use the silence and the echo just
To get away from triple s there there it is back to the sonic wave
It goes Mari not even letting him stack in this game
So there's no pressure points on the lane and you can't stack as no one's killing you there
Where do you go?
Options are very limited and pure that is a fourth death in the laning phase.
Here comes the EZM, he's done Plainer in the mid lane, he's gotta find some kills off the rotations,
so it's possible Witt catch the mid-air.
That class gets the Lotus and that kill is out of reach for Tundra.
Didn't know you could do that.
That's kinda cool.
Yeah.
Apparently the Witt whips the entire ZX.
I can tell it's a ground targeted spell, it makes sense to me.
Welcome to Dota 2.
More camp double, camp blocking.
Gonna block some camps here, eh?
There's only that ancient stack up right now for Tundra.
That's like the last bastion of hope on this map right now.
Cause they got nothing else going for them.
Tiny got ransacked and it just kills all of your early game in this line if you steal.
the glue. And if they come in off this power room in V-Triangle again, it would be the
perfect time. It doesn't look like they're going to stay Tannexpressuring the tower and
they're going to cut the mid wave for the Siege Wagon to start hitting the mid tower
as well. So that's going to be tower down at bottom and perhaps the tower down at mid.
does pull the creeps off and a glyph even see how much barri vision want to
tank the tower to keep the siege wagon alive here trading out shots
healing style being used they trade off the shots but finally siege wagon will
die keeps it out tonight right oh man 30 seconds faster than the fastest
This blink dagger for triple S such an incredible laning phase for him
He is jack. He's gonna hit the TP mid look for some sort of smoke play
Go straight into where you think those stacks are being cleared try and find this bad rider again perfect opportunity to look for 33
So you can get out of here before the smoke lands. It's gonna be very close
You might just be that out the way got through they're gonna
chase after the fire trail but 33 is already out of there now he's gonna go
over here and see that his camps are blocked so where do you go like soft
scouting with the courage he is yeah got the grab on to the tiny instead I said
okay let's not try and chase the Bat Rider let's go to where the guarantee
kill is which is BGM desperately trying to hold on to the remaining tower here
Well, I guess they still have their safe lane tower, but still the areas are just being massively invaded put satanic
Try to get aggressive on 33 now. They're gonna turn back around on him
He was trying to make a solo play and should get run down by 33 caught him towards the end of the disruption
From the cost does not fail out satanic
That was very close. There's no last of there. So
You have to just run him down overstep from satanic kind of a rare mistake
Now respecting the turn-up potential with that Solar Bind. Very nasty Solar Bind game.
That is part of the way they prioritized taking this Coddle.
An 18 instead of Last Vic.
The Synergy with their lineup is insane with Chakra Magic going in these cores, Solar Bind for the Barrier and the Tiny.
Yeah, that damage amps up so quickly.
Sticking A-palm. Right-click. Sticking A-palm again.
Could be a difficult win ranger here when Solia is beating me.
Gaw's trying to deal with the D-Ward, he does have a little bit back up behind him.
This is a dangerous area to go into though because now you have the level 7 Phoenix joining in.
There's the Supernova Empire because you can't really hit him back.
Gaw's back into the Supernova, blink away, he's going to get outside of the range of stun in time.
33 still chasing.
He'll go for the courier.
Just about to hit level 10, so now he can get lasso.
Careful.
Can always try and go for like toss the bat in the last of somebody play too
Before the tiny blink comes out. Yeah, you feel you can snag one of these big course
Jump easy M though the rest of response country is already here
You'll not use the last but try to kill no one before he gets the blink away given the concoction not good enough nine class
Can't save him can he save the primal beast the last who's gonna be put to use there
There's the escape back immediately, but he's still under the fire and flames. He'll die
33 chasing after Decaus with the Atlan trying to push him away with the whip
that's not good enough Decolas will die as well 11 to now 6 but the network has
completely evened up with 33 getting the triple can never count this guy like
no matter how rough these games look he always finds those facts always finds the
farm and knows how to push his hero to the limit the lineup just has such good
synergy with spells and even if you don't have the items early. A couple
smaller binds, Chakra Magic on Tiny, you get a couple combos out, just start
running people down. This barrier does so much damage. Look at no one, how much
damage it takes. Yeah, just getting right-click down from this bat. It hurts.
Once the stacks are filled up, there's no early dispel in this party line. That's
one of the things that really hurts them. Like you have escape back, you have
disruption, but that doesn't stop the bat just continually running you down.
Cleans will help later on.
But, they didn't know how strong they are in this early game.
Just running this quad together.
There's no Kaz in this fight at all.
So Pure just gets to recover.
We saw towards the end of that clip that did get tiny his blink dagger.
It's lost in our chamber.
Ooh, very strong around the map right now.
Man, what a turn of fate for him.
Yeah, really turned this game around.
I hope that won sequence.
I mean, between those two fights, it's what, like, six or seven kills equivalent?
This bad rider's almost a little sparkier on the game.
I think that's an example of where draft-wise this game was always going to be a little
harder for the primal going into avalanche, flamethrower, napalm, solar vine, kez spells,
egg like versus this bat running into, you're kind of worried about demonic purge and dagger,
you have some good matchups against the the winranger early here in the primal
like I think there's more interactivity for 33 to join early fights than there is
for triple S even though he had such a fast blink tough lineup to just blink
into here disruption staves staves are from the toss no one there I'm surprised
he blinked in there it cost him so much with the bat writer last time but they've
got satanic joining in this time around so very different situation out 33 tries
Let's go for a TP out, doesn't make it.
It's Tundra who get baited in to a questionable fight.
The difference of Satanic being a part of it for a party vision.
Able to chain Stonk's Phoenix down, no way, goes off that, opens up the fight a lot.
And you're just caught in no man's land.
Tundra overstepping it a little, you have to respect the double saves in this game.
Try and maintain your positioning.
I feel like you also don't want multiple heroes getting daggered.
My one clearly thought he was good there, playing in the river as deep as he was.
Thought he was going to get covered by a stun, but it was just too fast when it comes to the burst damage.
What was it, me? I feel like every time 33 has the same reaction when he dies, and he
always looks so frustrated. But it's not like he's tilted, you know, it's irrelevant because
obviously he's won so many things. It always looks like he's like really pissed, you know.
What are we doing in this situation? Maybe it just has very high standards. Those standards
have led him to be a two-time TF? Definitely possible. You have to hold yourself
when you're coming to a very high level to be a champion in this game, can't be
lazy about it.
As we saw, a little bit too much laziness in the first series of the day, it cost
Maus 0-2 against Extreme, and now Tundra down 2,000 against Parivision after they
made a bit of a comeback. Stabilize the game, still live behind, a lot of that
That lead is built into this Windranger.
And Satanic is accustomed to doing.
I would like to translate that into an early Roshan here.
They can find a quick pick off.
Tormentors coming up in two minutes as well.
So some big objectives on the menu is, once we're 33, trying to clear stacks out before
the game comes through.
Will he be out just in time?
Again, his timing on this is just perfect.
Yeah.
Pretty ridiculous what he's been able to get away with here.
Those leaves the bats don't mind. Now they're going to see this push from the other side of the map.
They take the tower, are they going to try and gate-flight?
I don't know, Hunter really want to fight right now, unless it's for defending an objective.
Yeah, I meant party vision, since they made this hill go up there and didn't find anything, but instead they're going to roach.
Again, you want to stay on this part of the map.
Yeah, so roach and the tormentor would be a really nice sequence for them to use all this windranger network barrel to these objectives.
This is the kind of fight Tundra would want to take if you could get here.
They're just so far across the map.
I'm smoking in now, but it takes a while to get there.
Might still look for it. They did get the Desol on the Kez.
So you kind of want to start building up some charges for Pure.
You can get some kills.
And he gave me his big timing.
Well, they still really want a teamfight.
Tormentor soon.
Oh, what a trap set up there!
Ward Century right as he walks in front of the trees, he tangles the trigger, shackles
shot.
Even on top of that, there was the rock throw from Triple S.
So there goes the tormentor, I believe.
Oh, in last!
No one's gonna try and take the fight even more to Tundra.
No reaction, though.
Tundra just gonna push in mid and bottom, and it looks like party vision will back up to do Torm.
How many stacks did Tundra make?
Every camp I've seen 32 farming has been stacked even these two up there were stacked
Yeah, one billion apparently it's insane how much camps they've stacked this game nine on the case
I assume a lot of that was just your stacking his own triangle slash an ancient pop
But that's kind of ridiculous for a carry of nine stacks 20
26 is a lot
It's basically two entire extra jungles
That's why his game is still close. Probably have like an 8k lead without all that efficiency.
Nonetheless, Roche and Thornton are going parries with. Pretty nice here.
Spotlight. Not the best spotlight game.
A little sad for my class.
Do you think Tundra is the most stack dependent team?
Usually is 33 teams, right?
I think of the teams that prioritized their offlaners in this playstyle, which to me is
33 ace for a long time, but Liquid hasn't really been doing it.
Those are the two biggest ones to me.
I guess XG also stacks a considerable amount on average in the early game.
They don't do it as much in the mid-game.
Tundra, they just do it all the time.
Yeah.
I think they're just always stacking camps.
I know, it was a fun one, and I see why.
But that's also, by the way, stacking with Paravision blocking out some of the camps.
Oh yeah.
Right, it could have been even more.
I saw 33 de-warding for himself to open up those camps.
Pick off of your on PCM in the mid lane, Paravision.
You kind of need to keep a kill happening every minute or two if you want to, uh, maintain Network Lead against Tundra.
Otherwise, farm efficiency is gonna go their way. No one's just blinking it so aggressively. He's got an illusion rune, which really helps against his Fat Hider.
Dispel some of that sticky napalm. He was debating going even further.
Doesn't know where the kez is, though.
That's a little dangerous. If you blink in and kez stuff, I'll be...
Gonna be sad.
Push heroes back, take the tier two with a focus fire.
This game is kind of slipping away from Tundra. They had some of that successful early scourging
since then. Yeah, they're keeping the farm close. So that's nice.
I think 33 wants to get more out of his pick right now. Like, there's the pipe, there's
the boots of Bering, PKB on Kez. So all the early items are online for Tumpter. They need
a great fight out of this.
Got the initiation of my class, tossing him back. No save from the Shadow Team. And now
Triple S tries to go in on BCM, but he's going to get burned up real quick. Got the last
one to the clop. Oh, Pure just goes grappling claws right in. Despite the low HP he committed.
Got a serious amount out of the Raptor dance, healing him back up. Still though. Link away
from the clop does manage to get out of there. Tundra taking the fight to parry vision and
surprising them in the act. Parry vision was kind of grouping up on that high ground but the fact
they caught nine class first makes a big difference. Also that's the Tannock can't really do anything.
He doesn't do any damage in this fight, doesn't get to use the Aegis. No impact from parry's carry
as the positioning is super split here. It's an awkward spot for him to go in.
in so much HP to work through here.
That's such a baller move. Grappling, Klein, Raptor Dance. That's no in your hero's limits.
He has the backup of the heals. A lot of Essence Rings. The pipe is there. The Colloblast coming through.
A lot of sustain though. Tundra will throw it back as Farry claims two in the middle. They get the timing.
Yeah, I'm revived. Run down mid, catch BZM with the triple S's initiation and get the
Honl who's sitting behind him. And damage! That actually poses an interesting question.
Can you hit high ground? Can you take this kill?
You have your axe queen. Go on a 9 second DKB for Sazanik.
Okay, at least try and force Tundra back to the base. That would be a victory in itself
right here. And we'll do just that. As long as they just do not get caught here. Take the Tier 3
back away. I got it with the exact last hit. That was smooth. I was.
I just ran out of the climbing.
Once these daggers start hitting, heroes and punches line up, the fight becomes incredibly
hard to play. They don't have any dispels to play with, so if no one can get daggers on,
I want to say like 2-3 heroes, 2-4's minimum, the fight is just one for party if they play it, smart.
Which begs the question, can you get Dispills in this lineup? You can get a Lotus on that.
It's kind of lit. I guess you can get a Lotus on Tiny, Lincoln's on Pez. Those are your options.
Nice TP timing from Noh1. He's going to rejoin his team and they're going to make a smoke play
down into this corner. They know Tundra is out here. BKB triple S wants to be the initiator
here. Ideally you find one of these core targets and just burst them down with the ulti's.
26 minute power rune. Don't find anybody there. Smoke's gonna break here on the side. Now
they know where Tundra's at. No one. Guplik right into him! That's a full move! Triple
S pops his BKB, gets the grab on the catch. That's a huge grab! The supernova goes out
Hitted by St. Tannick, but he's alone in that attempt, and he has to BKB and make a run for it now.
Very awkward. Toss back onto the Shadow teaming.
Parry vision.
There's an opportunity there, but now it looks like, well, with the Wipeback from no one,
he wants to keep fighting this one out. They're committed to try and kill DeKalus,
but now the tonic came in. They come to him alive, and here comes no one.
Tunter has got to keep the retreat out.
Nice. Disengage from them.
able to get everybody out of there before the queen shows up for some revenge.
Expensive buyback from no one. He yields nothing here.
Oh, he didn't have TP. That's why, right?
Because he TP'd from the bottom right to join his pit.
I wonder if YOLO's forgot about that. I think so.
Because there's no way you buy there. I'm just gonna blink back to this fight.
Because there's no roast to grab, right?
Yep.
If you're fighting for roast there, I kind of understand that.
Okay, you're gonna buy, slowly get back to the fight.
It'll stall roast. You'll eventually get it. It pays off.
This is just going to be a waste of pie for no one, because it's going to respawn by the time it roaches up easily.
I kind of feel like this trade-off was fine for party vision.
Satanic, I think, had the right idea.
The other two support said,
Hey, I think they get it.
Tough call to make though.
They're going to be close.
It's just, that's an awkward fight for both teams.
Queen, Blington, just dies.
And then your Kez gets pulverized into hypno ties.
Dead. No BKB for pure.
I think both teams were a little confused in terms of,
We lost our biggest hero instantly.
Yeah.
Are we supposed to take this? You know, it's like...
It's not really ideal.
Lincoln's for pure should prevent that kind of all-incloverized play.
And Lincoln's for satanic...
Also let him go in a bit more aggressively.
So the real...
Real suffer of that entire fight was just no one with the buyback.
Like, hurting his own economy there.
He's gonna push him down this chart.
Kind of prevent his BKB coming out.
And as quickly as he otherwise would have liked, which makes him susceptible in this game.
Do you think it is worthwhile for Triplus to go a build where he gets an item to be a Lincoln Springer?
So he can grab it.
What do you get though?
Yeah, I've never seen a...
Albert?
...a friend of his build something like that.
Diffusal?
Yeah, sounds pretty bad.
Oh, the upgraded diffusal sounds kind of cool.
Yeah, that could be the other thing.
But like, if he isn't grabbing the- like, I feel like Kez is the hero he's supposed to grab in every single fight, for the most part, yes.
Maybe he'll be dependent on somebody else, but who's gonna do it?
Could grab the tiny if BGM goes into you.
Yeah.
Just not-
Not necessarily gonna be that fun.
This is an Hoctering Tiny, so there's a super high HP pool against all the spell damage.
Smoke on smoke, action.
Time to play for this rove, she was taken at 19 minutes.
Look at the positioning though.
You know, 33's here, trying to catch him.
Not quite.
I always got 25 holy locket charges so there is a little bit of feel you don't
have the clearest date but
spotlight check out these high ground areas it's a wild to me that kisses the
highest level in this game is one in five
that's the power of ancient games that's it just extra XP off of all these solo
of neutral camp kills because he wasn't getting anywhere else. 354 CS, I'll do that. Well honestly,
pretty crazy CS total for the slow start you had too. Yeah. And here you go again. Clearing out the
triangle just in time. Four CS to respawn. And Tundra were able to, like this standoff was great
for Tundra because now Roshan's going to swap over to the other side. Tundra can play for Roshan
with buybacks on outpost. I have to standoffs good in general because the queen is not going to have
another item before this road no matter what. She did a buyback earlier so if you finish up
anything in this interval, it's your advantage. Can tundra finish anything?
They actually might not get anything in here so that's a little awkward. Should be good for them.
All right. Pure spent enough time out on the other side of the map. She says okay,
We got to come back now. There's it's Roche taking time. Let's put that thread on them party vision
What are you gonna do?
You're gonna try and play more of the map
Are you going to have this standoff around the Roche on pit? They're trying to finish Queen P.G.
That is their biggest objective right now. I
Think he just melts the plate. I don't think you can go in without it
Which means he has to play the outskirts the plate
That puts a lot more pressure on this primal initiation
This smoke comes through, it doesn't catch anything here.
Got the BKB out of triple S, now he's going to turn around, use his ult on the tiny, but
as you said, very tanky hero, got to be careful of pure.
Pure, shackle shot goes out, blocked by the lane games, now the focus fire is hitting him,
he's going to grapple and clomp away.
Some big spells used by party though, focus fire are low cooldown, I guess they're all
kind of low cooldown.
BKB used for pure...
It's four ult.
Probably the biggest thing for Tundra's fight?
BKB's fight is far...
Missing all of your ult.
I guess you can Tundra do Roche.
I mean, they can definitely do it.
Tens doesn't have damage on the Fire Spirits.
It makes it so Roche doesn't hit that often.
You don't want to commit, though, without Tens BKB.
As he gets stunned in that pit, you can't pick up Aegis.
It's a nightmare.
It is.
At the same time, I feel like you want...
Oh god, a 4 staff initiation!
That was sick!
Disruption save is there though.
He's gonna be hit by the avalanche, pulled back in a little bit,
hit by the silence, he's gonna go up with the goth grab on the Kez!
That's all important, the Kez gets versed down so fast,
it doesn't matter if you get the supernova.
It'll help the rest of the team disengage,
where the Kez is dead and gone, now BZM...
You call us blinking in?
I mean, understandably so, BZM was so low.
Didn't get the grab on anybody though.
The rock?
Rock! Oh-ho! Two men's done with the rock!
TP over from the Phoenix to push out the top lane.
They will have to give up, Rose. Carbison is back to it.
Nice de-fight from that. Lot of things went well there.
The Gressel forced that very cheeky.
It looks great, but that's a shield room queen.
And he has the Thames behind him. Very tough targets.
You the cured did not...
I don't think he meant to go down to low ground with his Echo Splash.
Maybe not.
Kind of like, what a really awkward spot.
Yeah, that was not the place to be.
Triple S once again, forced to use the BKB.
Once again, gets to grab on the Tiny during that timing.
Tundra unsure if they could take this fight.
Once again, they don't have the Kez, 20 seconds still left on him.
A little bit of heals coming out.
VZM though being poked down.
Spell after spell, raining in.
And now as the Kez comes back up in 10 seconds,
It's still a 4 vs 5, 4 vs 6 with the Aegis on St. Tannick pushing forward trying to catch more. Somehow, Shackle Shot does not latch onto anything near 33, feeling like they overextended, looked for the last hope, didn't find it.
Tuncher are lucky not to lose a couple more there while that Texas is respawning, flirting
with danger in this 4 on 5.
And once you engage in these fights, the daggers land, you're not getting out of that fight.
You have to be confident enough to just take it.
Full steam.
There's a Daedalus for the Windranger.
That's always the big damage on us.
He already found Pure.
Pure, he's got the parry, he's got grappling claw, he's got a lot of ways to get away from
the Windranger.
Oh, that was optimistic.
Sonic Wave not landing on it.
How many stacks, dude?
How many stacks?
He's always stacking.
How many stacks you got?
A lot.
30 stacks?
That is stupid.
I've got some notes.
I've got some notes.
I think I've got some notes for par vision.
You guys are playing great, but it seems like you're going
You don't have to stack to match Tundra in this series because you're winning the game and you're just not getting a lead.
Or steal some. Take control of their side of the map. Don't let them continually farm it up.
That's how you're going to build a lead here.
Butterfly done for Kez. That's when this hero becomes pretty scary. So both these carries got to their big damage item here.
I think now, Gene is still very tight.
Gotta give an edge to Phares as this goes later though,
because they have this Queen versus Tiny.
The Queen is going to do more than Tiny down the stretch.
Yeah.
Just a more powerful hero.
And I think they have answers to Kes, right?
You've got this single target focus that makes him a lot harder to play the margins.
The Winter Ranger can be an annoying matchup.
Tumonic Purge can hinder him.
I think the bigger one is like Polarize, right?
Right, right, right, right. The single target focus is is rough because
Tick Tormentor that is a nice shard. Now they have even more heals from their side.
Honestly, I just need to maneuver. That was kind of party's Tormentor to take.
And I'm not getting it here.
I do think BZM should go back for DKB.
I used to bait him.
I mean Lotus is also not a bad idea if he can somehow turn that pulverized back around.
It's a little bit like Thunder's gone in hiding at that time other than that butterfly.
to build towards a bunch of aggs here, doing the back-cottle that'll up their team fight.
Not really the single target damage though. You're still worried about getting outscaled by Queen
left-hand ranger. Kind of guaranteed combo, but not enough to kill Whitebawn. Now they try and go
for the lasso back into the base with the disruption buying them a little bit of time,
but he's not able to do anything afterwards. No onslaught, ready to go to get back out of there.
It's now the chase on.
4 vs 5 is still going to be an Aegis on Satanic.
Toss forward with the Supernova.
Chasing out Dracolus, Dracolus with the Demonic Cleanse, helping him out.
Stalling his death, Avalanche too late to get the third kill.
So just two.
I think it's correct to bail if the fight is not set up properly here as party,
because you are running this four-range kill lineup, where if the Primal's gone especially,
you don't have anybody on the front line who wants to tank spells.
None of these heroes want to be getting run down and going on.
It's hard to stand your ground in a situation like that where Tundra have a bunch of four-staffs in utility.
They can kite you out.
They can eventually wear through your BKBs and just run you down with napalms, fire spirits, and solar binds, and all this gunk.
Oh, the pure.
Oh, pure.
He's greedy for the ancients.
Shackle shot. Oh, he popped the focus fire to make sure the shackle shot would land.
Here, he gets off the DKB Raptor Dance, 33's joining him here, so this is not going to be easy.
Avalanche goes out, escape back to help the QWOP.
Oh, Wheel, is that going to get the Kes?
That'll help no one get away.
Oh, 33 slowed down just in the nick of time.
He was catching up to get that last, so not so much anymore.
Now he's burned down a lot of mana, gets a holy lock, and he'll put a snaggle shot.
It's just beautiful.
Kappa Tiny, Lincoln isn't going to save him either.
Tiny down, 4 vs. 5, now the chase begins for party vision, and they've got a lot of
really good chase heroes even though Kaz is so damn fast good dispel gets rid of
the dagger lost side of Kaz he's out of there no one blinking forward 33 he could
fly off the map might need to here and he's gonna be slowed down quite a bit
so those are forced out to work with he goes off the map can they see him
spotlight so hard to get any more off of this chase and all their waves are
pushing in so they can all have to go back and deal with the wave each.
The game is back and forth all over the place. Both teams lack a little bit of
hard lockdown here. Having trouble securing the big core kills when they get
him. There again you have to use the focus fire to pop the linkins as you
mentioned. But you know my focus fire to kill this guy so you just either don't
have this thunder you don't have the damage. Yeah. Or I guess get some more
linkin break here on the left. Yeah it's funny Tundra have like a little bit more
control but parry vision have these saves to counter it and parry vision when we
talked about how they kind of struggle to be able to get the grab on people in
us triple s is successfully getting good pulverized initiations usually means
you should itemize for the weakness you have so I think they're getting more
damage on the kez like he has to just go pure damage this game the hex on 32 would
be huge though they have another disabled threat kind of this thing for
Alright, I'd like them to get some more disabled, they can build it somewhere.
The heroes just don't really naturally build it. I guess for a fresher primal,
could be the biggest in this game.
Here, don't debate it in an illusion here.
Got him on the rock! Oh boy!
Rung through the Lincoln's! Does the wheel hit here? BKG goes out, he parries.
Now the Raptor dance and it keeps him alive! Oh, that was so close! How come the wheel didn't latch?
Unlucky. Well, at least they got RE, they could still change.
Put the Jaggers on, some heroes down.
Boots are bearing TP away from the Kez. 33, he'll be stopped.
He looks screwed here. Yeah, he's done.
No boots are bearing. No more staff.
What a rock, nothing. Just that whole sequence up.
That's a streak on the pad as well.
It's Windranger almost, level 25.
Are you starting to take control of this one?
Just overwhelming scale across these three cores.
And as long as I can always just go on Kes, I think the fights are going to be great for them.
Agreed.
Yeah, I can't believe Pyrr was out there where he was.
That's a Pyrr thing to do.
Banner's going to be dropped a little bit outside the base here, so the creep wave is going to dive.
The siege wagons will stay intact, and that's the important part.
Pump fake, pump fake, pump fake, Lincoln's gets broken, almost got the grab there from triple S.
This does have to be aware of Lincoln's and Lotus's and all kinds of garbage.
One lane, a barracks down. 15 seconds till 33's back up.
Our vision, there's no rush to things, they can back up, Roshan's gonna spawn soon.
Start setting the map up for that play.
Long spawn for them. Little unfortunate. I think if it was faster they might just
insta-do it. They are closing in on that refresher for the primals. They have
double shegos. However, the shegos on the primal helps with...
...span a pool a little bit at least. You get five in.
It's good, man. It used to be a lot more. It's kind of sad now. This item isn't really a
true in-item. No, it's not. I think it hurts a lot of these kind of builds.
Even if he ends up with a refresher here.
Kind of get your full kit off.
It's very close, soaring helps.
Still absolutely the correct build though.
If you can get double polarizing scheme,
you just have to land one of them on Kess.
And that is the biggest.
Small proc, oh no one got up the BKB before the avalanche.
Good or strange from no one.
There's Tundra fighting for their ability to contest Rusha.
Level 25 on the Kaz. If he does not get jumped, he does do tons and tons of damage.
Turn out the vision. Getting some more down of their own.
Thanks Synthnext for Satanic who has his level 25 as well.
He's gotta be so careful.
And he really likes clearing out these creep waves and makes me nervous.
Yeah, Shackleshot's gonna land on him. Try giving him the Lotus, it's just an all-in.
BKB goes off parrying. Stopping some damage.
They got some heals, he gets up with a grappling claw, he stays alive.
The BZM not so much they work that way through the stupid over the big hit with the ankle slash now
They got the last hole finishing up no one escape back avalanche covering it the escape back is not enough pure
Somehow his team keeps them alive. He got so much heal. Holy crap
It is a pain you know, it's very clear they're baiting him out
Yeah, what else was to take the jump and set the fight up
But it requires insane execution to bail him out, and a lot of that is Lotus's plus Lockett from Hari.
What a heal coming out from this caudal.
That kept him alive to the burst, then the Sunray counteracts the last bit of damage there of the Focus Fire Injection.
Nice, you never see so many of these Lotus's.
And they understood how strong they are in a situation like this, and it wins them a very pivotal moment in this game.
Yeah, do we get to see how many...
Is there a way to see how many lotuses they used in that?
They used two plus Holy Lock.
So it's like a little over a thousand deals put into him.
Of course, some of us a little hamptier, there's probably a cauldron blast, and then there's thunder.
What a baseball right there.
That's cat.
The hero is hard to kill and a full-out Agh-Thinth for Pierre.
He is beginning to be completely cat-ed out.
He just wants that Agh-Thinth.
Plus for a fresher shard on him, he's a beast right now.
They give the cheese to the Tiny, I like that.
Trying this game back in their direction.
It used to be a very, very put-back-and-forth game here.
just no pulverize connection on him a item that's a huge difference there yeah
was it Lotus turnaround I assume yeah Lotus I mean they can Lotus Lincoln's
him pretty quickly yeah he has his Lincoln's and I guess that's it just
Is that Lincoln's a... the one-wisp?
Yeah, just the one.
He gave R.E. Refresher's Shard.
He does have his axe with a willow-wisp, so...
Double willow-wisp.
Something to best option.
Like 33 double-wield.
It still has...
The...
They changed it so it doesn't alternate the flicker though, right? It stinks it.
I don't think that ever got reverted, again.
So you don't want to cast them at the same time?
Or you got to cast them in two different areas.
Or stagger them.
Kinda interesting they gave a thing.
A little bit cut off here. 5-man smoke game coming in from behind, constant panic!
E.P.K.Bs! There's the last though though to counteract that to cause we're getting the disruption.
Is Parvizion gonna try and save him or fight this out doesn't look like it the supernova off the top. It's impossible
What an angle
Just by getting hooked on the river and they just running to enemy carry
Okay, that's a playcalf I've ever seen one doesn't get any better than that. It really does not that is the dream
And especially for a kez to hit high ground unfeated by an enemy carry. Is he a thigh? He does not. No, he doesn't
He thought out
This is gonna be some building damage. Severe building damage as parry are just completely caught off guard.
That no reed at that plate at all.
Surprise? I mean that's the expression of like why the hell are they all there?
So this will be one lane for sure. Probably two lanes for sure. You have a tier two top.
I can also keep your just going tier fours here.
Sometimes does he does like to do that. Yeah, those ages for a minute and a half
You also look for the last or jump. Yeah, I was about to say you try you got to be careful going up in this type of situation
33 will pull you back into the team
Neals pop off here only lock it will sunray disgusting about a heel
Keeps on swinging, 20 seconds left until Steve Tannick's back up, isn't this enough for Tundra?
We get a second Laderberry, Scrapling Claw on to him, Raptor Dance goes out.
Little bit of heal, not to keep here up here.
And finishing off the mission Laderberry.
So two lanes down, Tundra reset, 50 seconds left on the Aegis.
They can plant this high ground and wait and see if the party vision will give them an opportunity.
They have a lot of gold to spend, items flying in, full swift blink on that courier for Pira here.
That's a massive upgrade to his kit.
I think they have a little Lotus Orb coming in for the Phoenix as well, which is big against this lineup.
33, showing himself pretty aggressively here. He is going to be shackled.
They don't really have the saves to bail this guy out.
That was a significant single target burst from this winranger. You ought to respect it.
That wasn't... I was... I was sitting there going like...
Alright, it's kind of cute stacking up this sticky napalm so much on a backdoor protected tower, but like...
I swear this tournament has had more throws with just casual tower pushes than any other event I've seen in a long time.
It's like infected these teams or something.
Where you really have to be disciplined when you're hitting these towers over the other.
You're giving the enemy an extremely easy initiation.
Those teams are gonna take it.
Yeah, but have you ever seen 28 stacks?
I have not.
I have not.
I have not.
There you go.
He got the high score.
Oh, for sure.
He did.
He did indeed.
So what did Tundra get out of that?
They...
Octurine on the Coddle.
They got the second Modus Orb on the Phoenix.
The Swift Blink.
They're closing in on Wind Waker for the Tiny.
So a lot of defensive utility items for Tundra.
They're just gonna try and kite these flights out protect because at all costs. I am surprised why one went for Lotus. I
This late for the game. I feel like X is
This would have been the nice timing for it, right you have level three supernova. I
Would not be confident going hide second someone in this game. Yeah with the Ranger. What can be give you just hit it?
It's iffy, man.
How do I got to the refreshers?
They're a refresher ringmaster and a refresher primal.
So double wheel potentially a lot of chain stun.
Again, if you can find Kes, just throw out these chain stun into oblivion.
Just outdo the heals that are going to come from Tundra.
100%.
The Lotus Lord is annoying here.
the primal's mana pool.
Can't damage for Satanic, would love to find a fight right now.
Also got that Flair's bonus, he always does.
Take it to note, nobody has buybacks right now.
Satanic just got his off of gold, but Tundra,
you know, they spent all the gold that they got off
of that successful team bite on the high ground push.
So, party vision did successfully jump them here.
could have gone bad. Wind Waker would be really nice. It could use just a hard hard save somewhere.
It's just so much utility. It's under a building. It looks hard to commit for these kills.
Yeah.
Hey, you might need a refresher queen in this game too.
Just for double Sonic, so you have the ability to blow these heroes up in the small windows you get to blow them up because otherwise, you're gonna get kited to hell.
Like, people are gonna get four staff, clima cape, blow to sword, wind wakered out, there's an egg somewhere.
You need to get these kills quickly and while you have the control.
You can't mess around in this game.
Almost 60 minutes as well, by the way, 8 minutes all.
That's something worth considering here.
Let these tier 5 neutrals do for you.
Audacious the genes could be quite nice. These right clickers
Roche up in two seconds
We'll be bottom again super favorable Roche positions for tundra now
Just how it's gone. It's probably going to be unable to force it down on their side.
Are they going to check the pit though? They're not checking.
Trying to prepare for the fight that's not coming right now. You could be doing Rosh.
Head to the triangle. They can at least debort that. Maybe they'll get the kill on no one.
If he just uses blink. Don't push away there with a hurricane pike. Try to get through the
Lincoln skips at the last so you must die to
because right to taunt up and they have a climb so it's good uh never never popped the last so
okay yes Lincoln's right nothing got through it he got kesel over eyes danger is trying to get
off the raptor dance and he gets it off here big damage on triple s and full heal for pure while
satanic is contending with his own issues yule's into avalanche into this sickness it's holding
They can be in place. Pure is almost dead, so it stays hidden. If you battle the carries, it's Pure who walks through.
Stays alive for now. The last bit of damage coming out. No one desperately wants this kill, and they do manage to get it.
Both sides. Carries are down. Both have buyback. Initiation from BCM. Toss back up onto the high ground there from DeKalus.
Knocked down there by the blast. BCM though. No one's pretty healthy in this qualm. He's dangerous. Now the buyback's gonna be used.
He's coming! Can he save him? Big cheese! BGM stays alive! Barely throughout the sonic wave!
Triple S being chased! I couldn't wait to push him back though!
Night class keeps Peer's buyback in check. No one's still chasing after them.
BGM is racking up the daggers! BGM's almost dead again! A little bit more
heal, jumps again, another screen goes out. Try catching him inside the Ignis and Avalanche is there.
What if this guy's backtoss actually hits pure instead the save on no one beautiful
Yul's up in the air dodge the whip BGM
He's trying to get out the commitment here from Stingtanic's meanwhile to grab on 33 at the same time pure jumps in
Hit the echo slash thought it quite the same time disruption dodges that one whip on top of the disruption to push back to Kez
Stingtanic's blow BGM tried to catch up 33 gets him in the end got him on the last out now pure pushes forward
Heads after that primal beast with two dead diebacks.
This is the end.
Pure another raptor dance that finished off Triple S in style.
No one, he has to do everything here.
He has to wipe the rest of Tundra to keep this game alive.
And he just can't do enough.
Tundra kite them through and all five stay alive to the bitter end.
The amount of times they feel busy in that fight is just ridiculous.
I was talking about the amount of utility they were building in this game.
The amount of kiting, the amount of ways you can save each other, it's just absurd.
Oh my god he killed him with the blade mail!
No, it's too much heal?
There's still too much heal!
Oh my god, how could he do it for the clutch blade mail, some sneaky surprise and...
Disgust, distasteous disgusting amount of team play with Thunder.
To me that is this team specialty through and through.
That is 33 in a nutshell, it's every team he's on.
It comes this itemization monstrosity.
This is like 100 tentacle monster of utility and lotuses and heals and kiting.
And every time you think you're gonna kill someone, you overextend a little bit more and then you get punished.
You gotta feel for partying on this fight.
It's like you have so much damage, you have so much chase down.
You're just doing more damage than they are in the fight, and you're losing the fight.
Because everyone's getting Lotus, Heal.
I'm pretty sure Pure had double Lotus that he had locked, and he like assembled it at some point in that fight to get to somebody else.
It just looks like a stupid amount of healing coming up in this.
And then even in the last second, they still have Lotuses left.
They still have Lotuses in their back.
Heh heh heh.
So much Lotuses.
So many flowers to give, and you gotta give the flowers to Tundra.
What an amazing game.
Look at that.
Just what you're talking about.
70,000 damage dealt by no one.
Did the most by far.
And yet, at the end of the game, everybody of Tundra was still alive.
You can put up big numbers, but it's structures that get the wins in this beautiful game that we play.
And despite losing a pretty significant structure in the mid lane, Tundra were not going to give up that easy.
Quinn, stay me why they were able to make this comeback. So what can't is lay?
I mean, we talked about it in the draft, Perivision, they picked themselves a lanet that requires very high execution.
It requires a lot of snowballing. Tundra, they got more Wastestar fights, they got more melee dudes, they got more team fight.
Perivision, they did a little Tristos-Dos this game. There's some throwing, some bot fights.
And you botched only so many fights before Hunter's got your number.
I feel like that was a very impressive way of saying TinyMid is just broken.
That's my type of words.
TinyMid is the piece and I will stand by that.
Just looks to me like TinyMid is the best tier in the game.
Listen to VZM solo, Joe.
That's the thing. VZM is 5-0 with the hero now.
And we've seen that some players are able to push the limits of heroes
a little bit more than the rest of the roster is able to.
That's why we were hating on Phoenix so much.
But in Whitemon's hands, Phoenix looks amazing.
I mean it's also Phoenix 5, not Phoenix 4.
Phoenix 5 I've got no inhibitions with.
It cooks figuratively and literally, so I'm full down with that.
Our absolute cinema, Phoenix.
Absolute cinema.
But it's still a little bit more data needs to be gleaned on Tiny.
Yeah, I mean I just think, I think the hero is like just a placeholder hero.
He never like, Giga takes over the game.
If your team is already doing good stuff, then Tiny helps, he's some stuns, it's nice,
it feels good to have Tiny.
And if your team is doing even or bad, then he feels like a bot, because then anybody has a pipe, and he does no damage,
and it's like a core that scales off of your other cores. Like, he's a helper.
And helpers tend to feel kind of crap from mid unless your team is already owning.
So I think it works for Tundra, because to me, their focal point is always going to be 33.
So their focal point is somewhere else. So him being a helper, like, makes sense, thematically.
And Ted, you had some skepticism about the support potential of Tundra, but...
Sorry Neil, I've been working so hard on this puzzle during the break.
I did watch the game as much as I could, of course.
So my issue with the draft was that it looked great for Paravision early on.
My class doing some... I honestly should have believed that he was going to do Grey on Ringmaster, that he's Grey on this hero.
I didn't see how to save supports like the Ringmaster and the Shadow Demon were going to set up and I felt there was too much focus on.
I mean, the quap who did amazingly, Primal Beast and all the rest of it.
arrested it. But as the game went on, it just felt like Roar had too much, do you know what
I mean? Like it's just too much coming at you and you've got too many things to worry
about. Sorry Tundra, Roar Tundra I'm going mad. It just just, I don't know, it felt like
they had a plan and it was working and then suddenly it wasn't and then it was working
and then it wasn't and then it was and then they threw. So then it wasn't.
Yes. And part of the original was working was also because Aiden, that ringmaster and
Final Beast Lane obliterated Kez.
Yeah, I mean they played it really well.
I think this, I expected the Kezling to do well,
but I feel like I still, unfortunately,
need to keep reviewing my Kez match-ups.
We don't know that much about him yet.
You know what, as soon as I feel like I grasp this hero,
I understand how like his match-ups go.
Something like this happens and I'm just surprised.
So it could be execution, you never know.
It's always a possibility that it's just like,
you know, they executed better and that's what it came down to.
It was kind of hard to track the lane fully,
I'm gonna watch the replay when I come home.
Yeah, and then also part of it may be Phoenix as a support duo for Kaz.
We can only learn so much about the matchup on one side and then who his enabling support is as well, how much that can do.
So, still a few question marks, but Glyn wants to be Kaz and the Birdman, get their game going, and life's good.
Life is good, life is good. And I think, you know, with Ted mentioned the saves, I think that was a pretty big part of this game.
A lot of the fights in this game were determined by who starts, not who...
Like, the person starting the fight, or the one's losing the fight,
because the other team has so many saves, so many ways to turn it around.
On Tundra's side, they've got a buttload of heals,
and on Parry's they have the actual literal heals.
This fight, when Mid was...
They were a 4k gold, I think, at the time, and they just jump in a bad way.
Tundra's sitting there waiting, baiting this sort of fight, baiting this skirmish.
And that's like a big part of playing from behind, is...
knowing that you can't go in the enemy, but if they go in you in certain ways,
then you can turn it around and get a favorable fight.
This is sort of the flipside where Tundra they go on parry vision and then parry vision turns it around because same thing where they've got a
Bunch of saves but Primal has no BKB yet and if he tries to jump into Tundra like too deep
It's not going to go well for him
There's a lot of that in Dota and then as the game progresses and goes later and later you start getting more damage and more
Ways to actually 100 to 0 heroes nothing turned around on you could be kitty when you jump so the guy actually dies
And I think that's how things start
Leading more in Tundra's favor as more time passes as they've got
more ways to actually jump and kill people as time passes, which is really, really important in later stage games.
I think it's always the teams like Spirit have so much success.
Oftentimes in late game is because they're picking traditional jump, traditional team fight,
and that goes well down the stretch, even if it can have like some weaknesses earlier on in the game.
Sure.
Whatever, yeah.
Aiden, I know you presented this idea to me that I found intriguing that for the most part,
If a team is ever sieging high ground, in their mind, they're considering the game as basically done.
You won't go high ground unless you're 100% confident the next 10 minutes will be completely my game.
I mean, usually, you want to build up such a big lead before you go high ground
that you guarantee that that fight is won.
Because it's one of the hardest fights that you're going to face in the game.
And it's one of those situations where if you do throw, or if you do mess it up, you kind of...
All the decisions were on your side. When you're containing the enemy team inside of their base, it's kind of up to you to decide when that fight happens.
They don't really have that many options when they're sitting there.
And therefore, teams like to just farm it up and make sure that they're as strong as possible before they walk up.
And so then in this context, whenever party visioner sieging mid-lan, we're saying that there's a couple of...
What was the Spanish terminology? Trace those doses?
Yeah, I think that's now in the head.
You need to set up the container first. You need to get them locked in their base before you can comfortably sit back and farm.
I feel like this game wasn't ever in a stable enough state where Parry are commandingly controlling the map, and Tundra just fully contain into their base.
To be honest, this game I think was quite back and forth, and I don't think there were some gold leads,
But I don't think the game ever reached the point where I was like, okay
This game is over and the reason party losses because they mega through the game
It seemed quite like up in the air for me
Yeah, almost as close as we are to finishing this puzzle gentlemen
Do you mind contributing because we are in the closing moments and we are being timed
I don't know what if our current time is three four five being documented right now
This one is for over there. Yeah
This one looks like a shuriken
Do you have an axe?
It goes there.
Is this from the kick-off season?
No, this is not kick-off season.
It did not work kick-off.
And disco balls have been photoshopped in because initially I was like, have we done the disco?
We didn't have the panda kick-off season.
Kick-off season was me, James, Bruno, and Draskell.
That was the kick-off season and it was in the old offices.
Well, maybe it was here, but in the old setup.
I think that was somewhere else for sure, no?
Okay, it was a different part of Stockholm.
I can't remember.
Are there any more?
I have like two little sharp edges.
That's me.
Okay.
I remember that I lived in the bit sheet here, and it was a dump.
Back then, Scryph and Webpass made what I'm talking about.
That pile of laundry was just the most revolting thing.
Hey, maybe I don't understand. No these really fit this one. It's not this one. I'll fit good times there lads good times
Have an OG sharp edge run
I need one here. We need the sharp edge Johnson. That's one. We've only we need this I think is that there? No
So these days. Oh, it is okay. Okay. This is this isn't it either like
Maybe there's a double shop. I don't want to start. It's not that one. Let's like I'm wait. Let me try this one here
Are we sitting on one?
I don't think we're sitting Jenkins puts them in his pocket sometimes four hours thirty four minutes. He hasn't been here
We haven't finished yet. This is all we hours
Oh, it's so bad at things
And a general stance I feel like
How's it do weird things that people's faces that is upside down it like oh, yeah, I'm aware
I was meaning for the camera is meaning for the camera. Well, how about you on meme for our timeline wait?
How many pieces left do we have?
One, two, three, four, five, one, two...
Oh, there's one hiding there.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
So this one is the one that's missing?
There's nothing that's on there.
Yeah, there's nothing that's in the spot.
Yeah.
The research has been...
Wait, no, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
That's wrong.
What about this one?
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
That's not a fish.
Son of a fish.
We've forced the piece in somewhere.
That looks kind of right.
Yeah, it does. Here, look.
No.
No, it is wrong.
So, yeah, did we do something?
Yeah, we fucked up.
The picture looks fine, question mark.
Yeah, but there'll be something like...
Oh, wait, here, this one.
So, Nomi, do you think it would be possible
to do a full panel only using Dota 2 Hero voice lines?
No.
Um...
I don't think very many Dota Heroes ask questions.
You really know this one?
And that's kind of the dynamic for a panel, you know, question and answer kind of thing.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Huh?
If people are dying...
What if the host can speak normally, but the panelists have to answer with only Dota 2 voice?
I think that could...
I think that could...
The thing is, the panel doesn't need to ask questions, you would need to ask all the questions,
and the Dota 2 heroes have to provide all the answers.
I think that...
A whole set of ice racks!
That is possible, actually.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, there's a lot of Dota lines you could find.
Fog?
We're still back.
What's going on?
I mean, but there's nothing fits here.
Let me see if I can find those voice lines.
Maybe we're not using enough force.
What a nice rank.
Let's say the voice lines for Kotl.
Well, I can tell you Kotl's.
Or every all of them.
Kumbalini.
Kumbalini, that's level 30.
He has lights out for you.
Are you...
Is it really now?
You should have seen that coming.
So for example, you would say...
Oh, you're not doing the other plus ones.
No, these are just all of them.
You would say something like, what did you think of the performance from that one in the game?
You'd say, a leading light, which is a Kotl line, stuff like that.
And you would say, thank you so much for being here.
I am honored.
You know what I mean?
Like, you genuinely find a lot of Kotl lines.
What about this tiny mid?
It's a new age of magic.
Like, you could just find some lines to do all of it.
It's a new age of magic that BGM has been bringing us into.
We need to dedicate our focus to finishing this puzzle.
Meanwhile, what's that you say? I say that it's time for a break. Yeah, well, what these are coffee lines. They are
It's good ones stick around everyone like you're just
I keep my love emotional, I keep my reach high
I keep my love emotional, I keep my reach high
I keep my love emotional, keep my reach high
I keep on reaching out, I keep on loving, I keep on reaching out
You gave me, but it's not enough I want you to open up your eyes some more
You gave me, but it's not enough I want you to open up your eyes some more
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite A double dose of love is all that will get me right
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
I'll double those I'm lovin' so I won't get me through the night
Look at me in my eyes
I wanna see my own flesh on
Now I'm all you see
When I'm speaking to you
I want your body and your soul to lie
It's pain, pain, and shine
I keep my love and emotional
I keep on reaching out
I keep my love and emotional
I
I keep my life so emotional that I keep on keep on reaching for the sky
Puzzle complete, we've done it. Stop the time.
Puzzle definitely complete.
You can wow
It's a 3d puzzle
This go balls
Why is why is the time still going? Why is the time still good? Yeah, you can stop the time. Yeah, it's done
Take it off like at least 10 minutes. It's been running forever now since we completed
Come on, you guys. It's definitely completed.
It's good, guys.
Why?
It's three-dimensional.
The puzzle has three dimensions.
I don't know what they're complaining about.
It's a three-dimensional puzzle.
I'm going to fix this.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Let it run for fucking ever, because we're never going to win anyway.
Fuck the evening crew.
Morning crew's for life.
We're not doing your games anymore.
We don't care.
Yeah!
Let's go Ted.
Fuck yeah.
What else you got Neil?
I've got a game number two between Tundra versus Parry Vision.
Where Parry Vision are hoping to repair some of the issues,
perhaps in the game, and maybe a little less trace dose dose.
So Parry did my favorite adjustment to Team Series 1 and 2.
I'm saying, the draft was not the issue, we're going to smash them, yeah, we're going to play
better.
They're just going to take this Windranger and just smash her into pieces, right?
Put her in, push her in until she fits the puzzle.
Exactly, exactly.
If it doesn't work, just have no one just flip the table.
I find this actually really interesting because I'm sure you can relate to this, but after
games there's a large tendency to go outside or whatever and talk about the game that happened
and what you would have done differently, or what you should have done differently, or
in what ways you could have won that game if certain things had gone one way or the other.
I think this is a very common theme for teams in between the games.
I don't think it's always very productive, but if you do decide to run back the same draft,
I feel like you have now had like 15 minutes of really talking about this game and come into it with all the updated decisions.
They're doing it!
They are doing it.
Okay, there are only a few picks in. There is time for adjustments.
Nah. Nah. They're doing it.
I feel like if they take even one second to pick a hero, I'm like, sad.
We know what this looks like. Alright, run the script. Roll it.
This is actually a test of nerve.
It's Batrider, it's Phoenix, and Tiny now.
Because I think if Tundra adjusts their draft at all...
The cringe.
Then use A, the cringe, but B, they also know that D down, something was wrong with their draft.
Tiny, you won't.
How much do you guys believe in your drafts?
Prove it!
Fill me your matter.
Dick Tiny!
Dick Tiny!
Why are they taking time?
There's no reason to be spending any time whatsoever.
We've seen the script.
What are they thinking about?
Why- what are they thinking about?
You won.
You won!
Press the tiny!
Jonathan Pure?
Look at him pretending to think.
He's like...
Can I wait 15 more seconds before I press the tiny?
Or it's like...
What's rock shaped and like...
you just can't find the hero like has rocks he's like would a frustrated party
more if I waited another 15 seconds to find me here we go all right what are
they picking here ring master ring master cheating they're not they're not
primal again I think I'm just confirming that it is one-to-one it is a
one-to-one yeah it's 100% same order ring master into primal was not the
problem that one is lane and that's how I should have gone that's how they
That's how it works. If I win the lane, then I was not the issue.
So they pick Primal, Ringmaster, and then Primal, then Tundra picks Kez.
No, Kotal.
Sorry, Kotal, and then Parry picks Krop.
You know what this one was about.
We made a very big point about Kotal.
I'm so sorry. You're right, I did. I apologize.
Yes, they take the Kotal.
Krop is last pick.
For anyone who-
I think it's getting spookier!
It's not that late. Like, why did his haunted house-
Wait, he has a toothbrush!
What is that?
It's what come is like a straight you know what it looks like he's wearing a tank top on those are his shoulders
It's like the guy needs to grab the one huge crab the thing
My lights went out it's good spooky. No
Primal beast lebec three mile. I mean they can get the gold coddle. No, no, no, you're right. They full coddle
Shit, they came in for a remake and told them they did a remake.
It's a misplay.
It's a misplay.
Yeah.
I wouldn't know about that.
So they did their puzzle wrong, kind of a little bit like us.
What?
Uh, Caudle went on the wrong side.
Oh, their keys were just broken, just like ours.
Yeah.
Someone bugged up their puzzle, just like ours was sabotaged.
By the night shift.
This bastard.
That's just no point.
I'd rather just rebel.
So, for P-Vision, 9-Class was played, Caudle one time, they played it against OG.
And they had a shadow fiend a Mars and a Florida as their parents
So they're gonna pick ringmaster on thunder now. Yeah, I actually think real master. Yeah, yeah
Yeah, because he saved from primal right and then tonder picks co-op
and
Polly picks Ari is not gonna play ringmaster. They have more fans. That's not Lee. He's not but it would have been very funny woodwink
He could play that I'm very excited. He's been playing what Rasta. I think has been this like
Rasta has been his number one, he's played it six times this tournament for Ari.
But I wonder if they would value the Rasta highly enough to pick it here.
Or they might just have to for the Ari's lack of depth in a 0-4.
I mean, what... Oh, man.
There's only been three faceless voids. It was an Ame, it was a Yatoro, and now this is the third one.
And how many of them was one?
Moro won with his, Ame lost with his I believe.
And that was a quote unquote great void game.
It was also a great void game.
Doesn't matter though.
I mean, the time dilation are really smooth with these, you know, that farry side.
Buttle's ult counts as like, is it a count as like two spells or something?
Illuminate counts as two spells because you have one from the ult and one from the like
regular one.
Wow.
Minimum of two if you use it on this
It's a very sad matchup
Not that you do like literally nothing against him
I mean you heal if the healing is not bad and you get items you can buy Lotus and things like that
So you do do those things
I mean no avoid matchup is one sided because that hero is bad against tankiness. I think you're actually don't you ban invoker?
I'm kind of saying that up the cliff. I hope so
I feel like for party this is a like puzzle now because already doesn't have that many heroes
It's shadow shaman is one of them coddle Marcy shadow demon and hudwink the Marcy
Oh, they're thinking it might be tiny for I see they don't want to get caught up as a non-crono. I mean boyden Volcker is
Disgusting something once I feel like if you have a save it's not as good though
Which they do possible of them with shadow demon with the cleansing
Yeah, I think that combo is extra good when it's just like you just jump anything you chrono and then like
They leave the possibility though, so they ban it out and Tundra aren't 100% sure where
this Windranger or this Primal Beast are going, because could be a mid lane Primal.
They are banning out a Puck, most likely it's going to be a Satanic Windranger and an SSS
Primal.
The co-op is way worse now though, because the co-op is pretty bad against the wind.
There's Primal Beast legs.
Watching it through night vision.
Haha.
This is Splinter Spell Cam.
Yeah.
Liquid!
Liquid!
Liquid!
Liquid!
Liquid!
Whoever is quick on that button is very quick on that button.
Let me see if I can...
This is my response to them changing the draft.
Ahhhh!
Yeah.
Haha.
It stuck with it.
We need to see her.
Where did he go?
Where'd he go?
That is my favorite one.
Are they going to commit two mid lane bans?
Where'd he go?
That one is so good.
I mean, what other are their pure heroes that you would rather are not pure heroes?
I guess you're looking at 33 heroes.
Is that a body pillar?
No, it's in the dip.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a no one hero and I mean in my mind it's still an Ari hero, but
I would tend to agree like parties this agrees
This will be tundra. Oh, no, so 33 is the only person they played that writer one time and it was offline so
Most like that on support roles is just so much worse
Yeah, like I'm even surprised that they banned the centaur earlier on the draft
did it both games because I feel like that on anything besides offline so mediocre
I mean also I don't think like that is not really a super central enthusiast like he'll play it
and they're banning it because it's a good matchup against the ranger simply like retaliate
interaction with fire is or like just in general win rangers style of laning
but it's probably not a necessary ban they seem pretty sold that are he's going to be playing
I think they might be thinking that both Marcy and Shadow Shaman are just not good against the heroes that they have.
So I don't necessarily think Marcy is that bad against the SD.
But the synergies with Void and stuff are not maybe ideal.
So there's no way that Ori could play back or Phoenix, his pool doesn't even matter.
Most likely I would say he's either playing Tiny or one of the heroes that he plays a lot.
And Shadow Shaman, I think they have quite decent heroes against.
It's also weird with Tundra's heroes, like they already have so many stuns and you pick another dude who just stuns people, you can have some issues with damage.
Yeah. So cool. Probably had the correct read here.
Ooh, Huskar is still in the cool.
Ooh!
Do you want to play him into Void though?
Depends on how much you just want to go all in on making Ember's life miserable.
Also, Kotal Huskar is cool.
It is cool.
It was even better when you had Recall and you could pull the Huskar on the map, even though you didn't give him mana, it gave you like Giga map control.
Yeah, but you actually give him a mana pull with Kotal.
Really?
Yeah.
What?
No.
Oh.
What does he even do with it then?
For style points.
For style points.
He gets a big blue bar.
Yeah, exactly.
He can be cool like everyone else.
Please pick Huskar.
I haven't seen one in a while.
Yes!
My guys!
Do it live!
Do it a lot of stuff.
Do it a lot of stuff.
So, of Huskar specialists, does no one fit the bill or doesn't even matter this game?
You can just face roll?
No, I think against Tundra, I think as a team, they're pretty good at playing against Huskar
because they're great at splitting lanes, riding, dragging the game out.
So I think it's not like full free, but it is an amazing, it's a really good Huskar game.
And so I think if no one is in his Huskar zone, Perry should win.
The question is, is how much of a Huskar player is he?
I think he's one of those players who is capable of playing it, but it will not be super pretty.
And so I'm not fully convinced until I see if he's got the Hosscar chops or not, you know, where does his mutton lie?
We'll see if he's been growing out those sideburns. Aiden, which draft are you leaning towards?
I mean, I feel like this Hosscar is gonna slap. I'm a believer.
So for the doubts that Ted had, how does Faceless Void abuse a Hosscar if we get to that stage again?
I feel like that's like so far in the future. I don't even dare to think about it
I said there are so many problems that you're gonna have to overcome before void becomes an issue for Oscar in this game
What are you getting for Christmas?
It's quite a long time to come
Ted are you also just seeing Oscar and saying dollar signs pop up in your head? Yes, but I was wrong last time
You can predict under when no, I was right
You were right last time.
Well, then I trust my gut.
Which is?
Our vision will win this game with the Husqvarman.
It's unloosable.
Unloosable?
It's un... OK, so he's unloosable.
Unloosable?
I would like to say the couch is like,
if no one plays it correctly.
Uh-huh.
Their draft is better.
There's contingencies.
Unloosable.
Unloosable.
Lock it in.
Lock it in?
Get the game locked in.
Let's get ready for it.
Game number two.
Let's count.
That's good, Jake.
Quick has his doubts about whether or not no one is a Huskar player, but it's been
almost 10 years since he's lost a professional match on Huskar.
In fact, he's only lost one time in his entire career on Huskar.
10 years.
That's right.
Was that a whistle on New York?
No, it was...
Well, let me check real quick.
It was the TI qualifiers or TI 16, 2016 Vegas squadron vs Alliance.
This guy's goaded on the Huskies.
He only has 11 matches total but you know, oh, satanic there on the other side to collect
the first blood.
Well, this is going pretty well for a parry early, three bounty runes, a first blood on
their carry, a last pick, Huskar against Ember Wyatt did not get banned, who the hell knows.
Things are looking up in this game too.
The panel thought this was a free win if no one could play the hero.
Ted thought it was unalusable in the R-Evision.
It seems like no one really only plays the Huskar in like the perfect Huskar games, hence why he only has one loss on the hero and only 11 total games.
One of those matches, he played it at ESL One Hamburg 2018 in an upper bracket match against the old 2018 Team Secret.
That was the one with Zai, Nisha, Yapsor.
Ooh. Ooh.
He got two wins in that series with a Husker.
Damn.
So he just busted out when he knows it's a Cure role.
Exactly. I invest in him.
Well, that's a good omen.
You're a party fan here.
It does look like quite a good, strong Husker pick.
It's about as good as you get.
Free lane matchup. No one's roaming to you.
No one's really buying any anti-healing in this game.
The one good matchup Tundra has comes online super slowly.
Decoderized is super good here. The silence is super good. I mean,
you're going to keep running them down. Man, 33 is about to leave it here.
I will make a bold prediction last. Yep. Counteracting the bias of the panel,
and Ted, I will say that Tundra will win this game, despite all of that.
Why is that? Pure vibes. I think they're just playing better.
I think they're executing teamfights better
And I think it might look similar to last game where like parry pull ahead they gain a lead
And if they lose that one fight and tundra start to get the stacks going the utility going they can fight these
Teamfights out the void Phoenix gets online
It's gonna become a scary game. I do not like that. I do not like the drama like I would take parties draft 10 out of 10
Okay, yeah, you know, I don't want some like puppy interview after this or I get flamed by another coach
They're saying that they're draft is worse. I'm not saying that I'm just saying that some gut instinct
I feel like thunder will somehow win this game well speaking of the coach
You don't think there was it wasn't a discussion
What's a change between game one and game two and I would say some of that has to be addressed this back since I don't know if it's
Like using centuries they tried to do that in game one. Maybe it's more invading. They have a Husqvar to do so
Well, like surely that had to be part of the
algorithm here of like okay how do we flip the script on beating Tundra when
lane's harder could be part of it that's what Huskar can give you if beat him in
the lane so hard you can invade jungle area you can get stacks up of your own
to kind of counteract the economic advantage they don't have the greatest
that clears but it's okay you just always have to be prepared for 33 to find
farm you know he's already CPZM into the jungle with the flamethrower his life
will be sad. That is the sad truth about life. Life is sad. Apparently, yes. As a
hamburger in SESCAR. He's probably feeling pretty blue about right now as
he contemplates whether it's better to soak experience in the mid lane or
slowly hit neutrals. I was thinking about this faceless void for Tundra last game.
I thought they might pick it because it's a hero pure really likes to play. Kind
fits their style. I don't, again, I don't think that it's a good year-old event. I don't think it's great
in this game, but I think the reason they didn't want to take it last game is they were against
Double Save and SD and Rainmaster. They were way too hard to play face to face in the Double Save.
Here there's still the SD, which is still a pretty nice answer this year. However, you don't have
someone to bail the SD out if he gets Chronoed in. It's a pretty good time dilation game.
So I get the idea behind the void pick, I'm still not convinced by this hero's speed or anything.
And I also think it's interesting that Parry went for this Windranger Batrider trade again,
because I think you'd rather have the Batrider in that exchange.
That's my perfect.
Batcon owns this hero.
Clank to agree. TP's gonna come in for the Shattered Demon.
Oh, cancelled.
He's gonna let him go.
Got him all the avalanche it looks like.
Can effort on the walkabout.
Cool idea from BGM, go all the way up here.
Make this way of a gunner tower, second one will come out.
You can always keep you active if the wave hits, or you can go back to cut him behind the turret to some more.
You just gotta get something in this period.
I mean, honestly, I feel like he's doing pretty alright for incredibly one-sided matchup.
Nice, John.
It's level five already as his boots online.
He's not feeding kills.
I think the most important thing for me in this matchup is, look, if you got to just
go straight jungle and it's rough, that's fine.
Just don't come back and feed the guy killers.
That's worst case scenario.
Here's some stack clean.
That's what we said.
You know, you got to match him in some capacity.
Even gets the D-word.
That's juice.
That's a little weird, because he de-worded the sentry that was on Ancient, so you can already do that with de-worded.
This will save the bat when we're in dramatic. Why did they force this twice?
Clearly not working out. I mean, obviously, when you're running back to Draft in some ways, you feel like you misplay some things.
They do manage to kill nine class, wipe on. Successfully, Godhand healed three to triple S at the same time.
He got onslaughted hard.
What's the difference between a soft onslaught and a hard onslaught?
Oh, and she figured that out later for me, so...
Okay.
Well, 4-4 to 4, despite all the early kills in this game,
it hasn't actually swung one direction or the other just yet.
Tundra getting out at the same pace, though.
It's not pretty right now.
They're getting out of it.
His void is kind of the time of his life, man.
Untouched down here, purages.
Double fairy fire, lotus wand.
He's got a salve in the backpack
Because they do have the single target is I feel like it's a very fragile hero like Kez where this primal beast
Going to potentially set up the focus fired on just hundred is zero
I think it's a really volatile game for for that thing. Yeah, party can all in in pretty easily if a shackle in to pull
Rise lands and a lot of single target damage to throw into the guy
And of course you have
Oh no, he ended up on the cliff!
Missing out on a lot of damage there, probably would have killed Whitemon.
There's a Chrono here.
They ain't gonna pop it.
They'll separate it over the top, then a little bit of follow-up spells for Mari, and Whitemon
somehow ends up blast hit on the hold.
Somehow Whitemon's 4 or 2 in this game.
That's kinda wild.
He's level 5.
He's higher level than the enemy carry.
Just Whitemon things, you know.
Standard.
Double kill's nine class Pacer Stax, helps get wisdom trying to treat his double kill.
And look at them trading off on the tower.
This offlane tower is dead at eight minutes.
Kind of wild.
It's extremely rare.
You kill the first tower in the game with a faceless boi before eight minutes.
That is borderline illegal.
Call the base please.
This is supposed to be the slowest carry in the game.
Yeah, what happened?
to Blitz Liquid's coach in the interview where he played me. This is the slowest hero in the game,
that's what he said. I kind of agree with it. Yeah. Slowest carry at least. It's really hard to
argue with that. Doesn't look slow here. Doesn't. So what does that mean? That means
either we're all wrong or parry or somehow slower than the slowest carry in the game,
which is not good. That's not right. That shouldn't happen.
I just can't get over these tranquil boots, man.
I'm gonna continue to fight over this ancient camp.
Notice the difference in this game though.
Last game there was an immense amount of stacking by Tundra,
and we saw Pahrie, I think they like, block camps once or twice, but that was it.
This game, Pahrie, are trying to stack once, and it's just like,
pure invasion for minute four.
Like, Whitemon's harassing it, he's blocking it, he's stealing camps,
he killed 9 class trying to do it.
There's so much attention
compared to what Parry tried to do to disrupt Tundra.
And I think that's because of how Tundra thinks about the game.
They prioritize stacks so much that when an enemy stacks against them,
it's like, no, no, no way you get this.
And unfortunately, as a forward position, doesn't really work out that
pulverize is not quite enough for his damage.
So the silence on the face of this void will be the death of him as a Huskar
makes a rotation down to this bottom lane.
So the Primal Beast couldn't get the job done, but the Huskar does.
Good luck keeping out of that.
The silence when the inner fire is going to be another big issue for the faces void in this one
Very good
Very good husskar game on a lot of levels offensively and defensively
There's a stack. All right, he's trying to find a place to hide
Yeah, they're doing at the same time
It's a really big kill on this boy who is getting way too much in slain phase
They needed some pressure going in to bring the husskar to do it
This does give time to the ember to recover
That's the downside here is you're taking Huskar out of that Ember pressure
Yeah, to make this kill happen try and respond to what's happening in this game
So there's a trade-off here and everything for party as BGM gets a haste rune as well
Pretty nice room to go up your register with killed calls with a no demonic urge online
So the Huskar coming in and he's gonna get stunned as he comes through gets grabbed by the pulverize
He thought the haste rune would save his life if anything came up not the case
Hustar shut people down in this one.
All this aggressive vision, but for one, Pahri vision are still owning this area.
Very difficult hero for Tundra to fight.
Your options to deal with Hustar are Chronoim, and then bring him down with damage plus the
void in the Chronoim, and hope he does not get disrupted or kill SD and then Chronoim.
Or maybe like some toss back slash lasso into the team and you can isolate him away from
the saves. It's a long range shackle, my goodness. Either way, R.A. was gonna die with the demonic
purge being used. That was close. That's a level 1 poison, so it was not the biggest
tick at the end, but here comes 33 with his fresh boots of bearing. If he wants to corner
on the satanic windranger here, he gets it. Does he have another windranger? He does
for three seconds. What are the bashes? Yeah, that was crazy. What was that? Three different
bashes in like five hits or something. He did max it here. So, pretty high damage coming
out from here and you can land the bashes and yeah, you got him man. You got him. That's a kill.
That's a kill and a kill. That's Faceless Void's hidden in me because when you die to Faceless Void,
you take mental damage because you died to the slowest carry endota not be the
intake your wisdom shrine has to be like a whole another level of damage
BZM finds himself some refill on the bottles I will say if you're gonna
play the slowest carry endota you should put it on a player like pure who will be
over aggressive with the hero so in this situation where he joins all these
early fights and does make stuff happen it'll bounce it out because I think the
game where he joins fights in a backfires are gonna be just as bad as
the game where he joins nothing and the game goes poorly anyway so like I
rather have my carry player taking risks with this hero so that we can play it
against actual teams instead of just I'm gonna AFK farm and hope my T45
I'm sure. You're thinking like big picture, not just a king-giller game.
Not against any single team, but if you're willing to run this hero, you have to be...
Okay, can we play face-to-face with Void against teams that are going to try to run us over?
Love that look from BZM. He's trying to maximize the number of kills they get out of this mass rotation from Tungja.
They will collect on both supports.
Sorry, not getting the moves they want right now.
They lost Top Tower, they lost their Offing Tower, and I think they're going to lose their
mid.
They're going to be down three tier ones in this game, okay, 13 and a half minutes, and
they last picked Huskar.
Yeah, where's the Huskar in all this?
He's jungling, man.
No one, not wanting to take the fight right now, but doesn't feel like the team is calling
for it and setting it up.
Spaceless void running the show.
And the funny thing is, like, theoretically, Huskar early on is great against faces of
all the silencers.
Yeah, so he went bot and he killed him, right?
Easy kills.
Can't really get time dilated either, or it doesn't even matter for your hero.
And it's a great match up for Huskar, until the ultralane.
So I feel as if Pari should be forcing the issue more.
This Huskar should have been forcing people out of lanes.
They should be the ones taking tier ones in this game.
the other way around, and they're just back to the stack game, man. Disgust. This is what
Pete Dota looks like.
In this case, the best offense, great defense. That's right. They've been so aggressively
contesting the stacks for party vision that their own side of the map is completely clear
of any warrants.
It's just how Tundra like to play. If they're doing something, they're ringing everybody
they're killing you, and if they're not doing anything, they got stacks and they're clearing.
And so in almost any situation you're effectively getting an objective, so it's a very smart
and efficient way to play the game, because even when you're not playing well or you now
draft your opponent, you're still giving yourself a very good chance to win.
By just being able to itemize your way out of the hole.
Like we saw last time, it basically itemized their way to a win.
They did, they did.
Utility wins games.
Yeah, I don't even think that game, I don't even think the post-game discussion for party after game one should have been like, oh, we got out drafted, or, you know, we should have picked this and this.
I don't think it, I don't think that's what decided that game.
I think that game was decided off of efficiency on the map, teamfight execution, and overwhelming utility and itemization, just making the fights eventually impossible.
We could see a similar thing here, is one of the ways you can beat Huskar picks, is to just itemize your way against-
Got satanic with a fresh blink dagger!
Yeah, it's a juicy pick off right there.
Thunder is just getting more out of all their little timings here.
That's the difference.
We saw the blink on triple S, they went bottom and didn't find anything.
But if you see the blink on 33, he instantly finds the carry.
Here's the Huskar though.
Don't get the kill on R.A. they'll save to cause his life and maybe-
Oh, got the arena!
Okay, that's gonna hold these two in and they've got the damage to kill the Huskar.
Shackle shot. Unfortunately, he's so tanky.
Yeah, well, that's what you get for being one of the ultimate jungle slayers of all time.
The creeps will have their revenge.
Sometimes the jungle will slay you.
This is the benefit of going on and shattering first.
As you put the formation in a really awkward position,
he uses disruption, free chrono opportunity right there.
Tribal can't interact with this at all either.
Like, this timing was the Spirit Festival, the Blink Dagger, and a Chronosphere.
Like, it all comes together so perfectly.
I gotta get something going, man.
Picked off the Coddle.
Triple S is gonna join in.
Kills R at DCM.
Low Pulverized.
He's got one remnant to work with.
He'll slight dodge, get that remnant out, and we'll be able to jump to it in time before
the Huskar arrives with his silence.
I don't think I'm pure, it doesn't even have Kronos here, but he was still like, I'm here
too guys, don't worry.
That's what I'm saying, he's gonna join a lot of stuff on this hero, and that's what
I think you want.
I don't think you want to play a pure AFK Void.
Anybody can do that, right?
Anybody can do it, you can win with it.
It's important to control the tempo here as far, you can't ramp it up at any point.
Huskar
Is iron Roshan?
I am some of these towers a lot of gold to collect on the map tormenter up soon as well
This is where the huskar shines with the team behind him
I think is
The question of whether or not a player is a huskar player is a is a valid one
I think it's equally valid is the team a Huskar team, right?
Like Falcons are a Huskar masters not just because they have Huskar players
But because they know how to play with the Huskar and enable it as much as possible
I feel like this game we haven't seen a lot of the game be around the Huskar
Well, I still think that's how part of the play in general. Yeah, true
But not really like a you know, let's buy Ores and go with our one turret hero and start bailing objectives
This is not how I think of this team.
They're more of a ratty, scale team
where nine class is annoying people, the game gets chaotic,
and then you have a one to two position getting made of farm.
And it's almost as if that's how they're...
Nice, Jackal, that's a big pick up.
Supernova goes out, but they still make the commitment,
and they have the attack speed from the Huskar to kill the egg as well,
though it will cost him his life likely.
Armlet Toggle is not good enough here.
What is this guy's bash right there?
Ooh, he's just walked up in Chronosphere 2!
Shadow Demon bashed up!
We'll end up dying inside the Chronosphere to turn around, shackle, shot, toss together,
Satanic is low, Spirit Festival's on him, Avalyne's gonna cover it, and he follows.
Satanic, he's down, Triple S, he's next.
Pure as O.
Yeah, he's-
No way, right.
He has to tip.
He has to just destroy this game.
I almost feel like it wouldn't have mattered what hero he's on.
He's just been in the right place at the right time.
Old that lane, Free Farm took the Offlane Tower at 7.5 minutes to joint every fight this game,
just dealing a huge amount of damage on a hero that is not really known for having early damage.
Now, this is exactly what you want out of your carry player, and it's making a massive difference in this game.
Hari would be running over these fights, and just worry to worry about the game.
But instead, he's coming in, ruining no one's game, making it so SSS can't do anything.
Like, every fight this final ruins, if you can't go into the chrono, he's getting time-valuated.
The Void matchup's really bad for him. He can never really kill the
Well, if you're gonna go later requires you to kind of wrap the game a bit
They do have very good heroes to catch that that rider tiny and ember spirit. Yeah, I don't like it right even faceless void
So they got the tormenter now. They got to get out. Okay, they canceled the keep on oh, it's career going through
That's a good torrent or take me see that
So funny busy and is making the the tormentor gate play with a courier
It's pretty next level
He's higher networked than the Oscar by the way.
At 21 minutes, that's very early to overtake this.
And he is a higher level by 2.
He just casually takes wisdom friends.
No contest there.
And the supports are going to love all that extra experience.
You now have a level 12 Phoenix.
Very big difference.
those two extra hits on the supernova egg especially when you have such a good
combo with faceless void oh yeah
what's party's game plan now you have to get brochon stuff yeah I think it's
just farm up to get BKB and then with the BKB pray that you can probably take
Like Roche, might be able to get your triple VKBL liner around the same time, across three cores.
You rush it here on everybody, take a flight off that, get Roche, try and swing this game back your direction.
Probably the best game plan you have.
Which does leave Tundra with a decent window here to try and find some more pickoffs, potentially Roche themselves.
Or just farm up on that. They're not going to do too sad just farming to avoid this game.
He's gonna start his ad, he's mega-farm, he's already a little 15.
There's his manta.
Big item in this game, so you can go in the fight and survive the Huskar silence.
It's kind of all you're scared of here, unless you get burst down and pulverized shackled.
You just instantly smoke with it.
Shield rune on the Ember right now too.
Link Dagger on cooldown, triple S is gone.
So that's one DKB delayed.
So, with the BKB going out, he doesn't really care too much.
Can the Krodos save him? Yeah, they got it.
Super little last hit.
Now, disruption is really well timed, but apparently,
Ted has something to say about this game.
He really hoped that Paribision were
going to be able to get an even series on their hands,
but it's looking more and more likely Tundra get the 2-0.
It's just turning into a swamp.
No way around it.
Pure Dota right here, 6-1 and 7.
Absolutely delivered on this pick.
She was dying on the career, that's a big deal.
But the fact he has it, she was perhaps even more terrible.
Yeah, that's what I was about to say.
I can't believe this time he had the chrono spear.
Pure really took his time for it.
Did the toss back into the chrono?
Oh, well, he tried.
That's a classic OG combo.
Yeah.
Now an Aegis.
Oh, really?
You came close to the Roshan pit.
While Tundra was doing Roshan.
Alright.
You get Roshan, they get to call us.
Honestly, honestly, something here is probably going to make a lot of people mad.
But you saw, you know, there was an on a tweet today.
Yeah, they're going to be coming back.
people bad-chesting over this. To me, OG used to play at the basis point. He used to play
at very similar to this. With the tiny combos and him joining some of these early fights,
using the time dilation, having these little combinations with him that made the chrono
better than it would be on its own. Not necessarily just with damage, but positioning and how
they took the team fight.
Alright, now I agree with that.
Shadows of the honors, man. It's all in this game.
Okay, so you're calling pure the next on us. No, I'm not gonna say that
I mean that part might have actually if I said that it would make a lot of people mad. Okay, but you didn't say it
No, I didn't say it. Okay. I'm just gonna make sure I did
I think there are some similarities
That I don't think that would make people mad. I think it would I think people know
It's better on a like goaded mountain rush more of carries in my comparing pure to him in any sense
Like blast me against their god. Yeah, people aren't sad to get out of here
He then if you had said I think this faceless void is even better than honest now that that that's just too bad
Yeah, that's I'm not saying that I'd say I think there are some similarities and the
Them is carry players not personality wise
I don't think there's a single similar thing but terms of gameplay like is a
It's like pseudo fighting carries that still, you have a lot of faith in you that way, game
with clutch plays.
I think there's a lot of overlap there.
Alright, you think I'm gonna be an easy incident invoker player, just like Topps?
That's what I'm saying, I mean, this is how you go over hate him.
Now you start comparing Tundra to OG, that'll look if you're real mad.
That is a real...
dare you possibly compare my golden team to the snooze messed up a team
I would really taste a lot of fans. That's like the worst comparison you could ever make
once you know she just stacked kids for 40 minutes and got a real one.
I think Falcons would actually be worse. I think compared to Falcons.
That might be true.
Except some of those Falcons guys like crit played with some of those Archie guys for a while.
Oh yeah. Yeah but you know then that just draws even more ire because you know
That was our previous version.
Alright, 9k lead, 4 tundra, 2 minutes left on the Aegis, party visioner is going to smoke up into it anyway.
Trying to catch tundra by surprise here, some of the smokers are going to break, they got the jump on to 33,
trying to blow him up real quick, oh no the pulverized just pulled no one all around, that was kind of weird.
He didn't get any damage there for a period of time, cop white mana as well, so he can't equip the dub.
He's a little fine there on that mid lane, they place the ward, they get the jump,
it's exactly what you want to do. Jump a core target, all in them, no chrono response to fail
that situation out, can't get the BKV off. If in the future, because Huskar can't land and put
damage on heroes, and he misses out on a kill because of that, that is... Also, if we can just
replay that 33's reaction, that was a goaded reaction on the cam. I didn't see it. Yes,
That's why we need to replay this replay that like that is a goaded react that reaction. He was doing what huskars
Well, that was not the reaction that was not the reaction that's a different reaction I swear no, oh my
What was I looking at that?
It looked better on the time
It looks better on the tiny kid.
Show the replay, but just leave the tiny kid.
I swear, it looks better on the tiny kid.
I mean, he was kind of going low back and forth, so I could see how you, in a small image, thought it was more exaggerated than one.
I'm just old blind. It's fine. I accept it.
Yeah, it's okay.
Well, this game got even better.
I could sit around here.
That is pretty funny, anyway, as you know, I was going to jump around.
So he jumps around and then 33 gives his little jump around.
Okay.
That was not good.
That was terrible.
Never get directed to production ever again, Avery.
I swear it looked so good the first time.
I mean, the fact they slowed it down while he's getting slammed, and he's literally just
stalked still.
All he's doing is moving his eyes a little bit.
Boy, look better in real time.
Can we rewind the timeline entirely? Can we go back in time and relive that moment again?
Let's just move on. Let's go back to OG comparisons. That was better here.
Grims and guard for the Batrider. Here come the words. This is what you were talking about. The Batrider is not
the same Batrider old where he's just a
one-and-done initiator. He's now a tank
and a damage dealer. Honestly, the Batrider looks kind of broken if you
Do you talk it out like that?
It's a good use of his kit. It's always been. He just had troubles getting there.
Very pre-regular. He gets there.
Parry on the hunt though. They're at the BKB Huskar. They're recovering this game.
Alright, he's gonna be on the little ground. Oh, blink away before no one can get any damage on him.
Now, here comes BCM. He didn't actually jump in with that Sheeva's.
No, he doesn't wanna go in deep. He doesn't have any Dispel or BKB.
Oh yeah, he does.
Cannot get caught by Silencer or Shacklepulverize, he's just dead if that happens, there's no save to be allowed unless you want to corner on top of him.
He just doesn't want Hari jumping his other two cores.
And look at that date, they say, okay, Hari vision backed off.
They're backing off, they gotta go to the other side of the map, at least some of them, so they're gonna come through the gate, go hunting over here.
See what they can find.
This game definitely slowed down for a little bit.
Which is probably okay because they had a lead.
And they had a nice buffer to play in the slower game, and they have the faceless ward.
So they're not any rushier.
So, Kari is striking back.
Which is a good sign for them.
They get Daedalus on the Satanic Wainranger.
All of a sudden you have some serious burst threat for the faceless ward.
He gets caught in one of the two stuns and chained up.
Well, if there's only two stuns, he's gonna cut that in half with the Lincolns.
That will be an issue.
Yeah.
You'll have to pop it with something, either a Solarbind or a Dothraconic Purge in him, if you have to, to land one of these stuns.
You know, this is Lincolns void build. It's been a classic since Shadow at TI6.
True popularizes, of course, with the first item, I think.
Back and forth, back, back and forth, Tundra sweep up to this area, party vision back away,
they go through the gate, take the other side of the map, take that side of the map, then
come back through, take Tormentor, some of my corners are controlled.
There's shades of wings gaming in this Tundra lineup, if you really can see it.
I can see it, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see it.
It's really there.
really interested to transport this tundra squad back in time to the TI6 finals instead of digital chaos
what could have been?
That's a mirror match.
That's a straight mirror match. Like when I think of one player to compare RE2 in ISIS
that is that was a comparison with this?
That's what comes into mind.
Oh okay.
Hero specialist.
Okay that's where it ends.
It starts to end there.
That's all you need.
What's just being a true ice ice wasn't even a hero specialist.
That was the insistence of him actually.
He had like no specialist heroes.
He just played everything at a moderately good level and blamed his team a lot.
So if Ari does that, they could pair his hands back on the venue.
But as far as I know, he's a chill lad.
There's the Daedalus, Hurricane Pike, Floor, Hoshkar.
I mean, the pieces are coming together with Arivision.
like I can see them winning fights like them being down I almost feel like the
game is going closer to 50-50 because we're getting more into late game
scenarios. I also think this game could have just gotten out of control completely
for them. They've kind of stabilized it so they got some more momentum going away.
What did Tundra really get in this period? Not a lot right? The Lincoln's on the void.
It's kind of it though in terms of big items. Almost aggs on BZN. Yeah they're
close to the next set of the games. However, if we already take the fight in this next minute or so
for this Rose Spawn, that gold difference is not as large as it looks like on paper because they've
kind of bought out and Tundra are sitting on a decent amount of gold right now. So it's not a
bad time for them to try and take the fight. A lot of it depends on finding the void with some
lockdown which is going to be tough. Not letting an egg go off. I don't know how much you can
prioritize that. You don't really have great egg killers in this game.
Yeah
You also just don't want to get me you want to sit there as no one and hit this egg and have what happened earlier
Where you hit this egg eight times and then you get cronin and it goes off anyway
Yeah, then you wasted your entire be giving in team fight. He didn't say
So you might just have to ignore the the burn focus on the bat and the faceless void here
With ember in your face of course the axe was completed by BGM. So he does get there that all
will boost Tundra's advantage up, considerably here.
Costuring for the Roche.
It'll switch sides here in a minute, so if you're Tundra, you kinda gotta make the move, which...
Do you? Why can't you just... I mean, Roche on the other side is favorable to your outpost.
Yeah, I guess that's true. They could just light this one.
I was thinking about where their vision was, but...
Smoke's gonna break on triple S here.
Tossed up in the air, pretty well controlled.
BKB on-slot, running away!
Didn't want a chrono.
He gets out, yeah, didn't want a chrono.
Now, maybe think of those, they have to lasso him.
They will lasso him to his demise.
They abandoned that fight really quickly, dude.
They wanted none of that.
That's Roche for a tundra if they forced it.
And that's why Pure wanted to hold the chrono.
You don't want to chrono this guy. He buys and then you have to take a roach or you have to fight the roach with that chrono.
My revision, like, if they stole this a little bit, it is going to swap over.
It could make some interesting situations.
Chrono to Roach on would be pretty bad-ass.
That might just come down to that.
BGM's trying to push him back here. Full commitment from Pure.
It's bashed up twice.
Shackleshot lands out of 33. Get the jump in on BGM.
Damn, inside of the pit though, KonoSphere!
For- Oh, he got pushed away!
He hits the ground!
No one's gonna be able to grab it!
No one cuts it!
Nine by nine!
Why?!
Before no class, no one can get it!
Again, he denies it in front of his ally!
Brother, why?
Stop doing this, nine glass!
Please, silence on BGM!
They have a way to be able to save him here!
Just the pressure!
They put onto no one!
With Pure marching forward on the faceless void,
he's chasing after St. Canik down.
St. Canik put himself in a corner, got off the BKB,
got off the windrun,
putting damage on a 33,
He's been trying to get away from Pure at the same time, power shot, almost finished off,
does manage to get it off the mule there, proc.
Now, St. Tannock resetting for Pure, running down the river.
And away from Triple S, Triple S is going to blink after him, but he's slowed down by the time deletion.
He's not catching up, and Whitemon is out of here.
St. Tannock doing work on the second half of that fight, giving them the damage they need.
Giving them the tips they need.
That one, I think, is a little less egregious, because that Aegis is, like, that's a coin flip whether the Huskar gets back.
Like, if the Huskar gets out of Chrono in time to pick it up before Void gets back in the pit.
Yeah, before he time-walks in.
Because it looks like he has time, but you really don't know.
It's a very clutch-blind light, though.
Just went that up in the first place.
Triple S gets caught in the bottom lane.
There is some heroes nearby though, Shackle Shot goes out, Lincoln blocks it with a pull-up rise,
he's still got it alongside the focus fire. Pure Timewalk is up, but he can't get it off!
Too well played by Satanic and Triple S.
What a vine in this game.
So many little... there's so few ways to break this Lincoln to get that stun combination,
they finally get it.
This Thunder just falling apart around this pit.
Played such a solid game up to that point.
And one blinding light into Aegis Deny later,
you're getting Hustard.
Banner alive.
Chrono coming up at 15, but the Void's dead for 15.
No buy available, so time to go high ground here if you're party.
Not the Roshan you wanted, perhaps the one you needed.
I can't, Pure must have used Time Lawn
right before Roshan died.
I think so.
It's the only way he doesn't get back in the pit in the time.
Unless he got silenced.
Wall being pushed out.
Which is possible.
OTP on the other side, trying to catch 33.
Split pushing out of the map.
Now he does have BKB.
Blinks away before no one can catch him here.
That's gonna be his axe flying out for 33.
Harrier!
It's becoming difficult to kill.
You have this...
Ag's Wind Ranger running around with the physical reduction.
You have Climber Cape, Lotus,
Holy Lock and Coddle healing everybody up.
You have another Lincoln Spear on the final.
33 gets shackled.
There's no... So it does get silenced.
Oh yeah, it gets silenced.
That's the mission.
And so it was on cooldown.
Wow, that is...
I think you are supposed to deny it there.
Yeah.
It's...
It's just too weird with the egg going off, like no one's stunned down, almost directly
out of control.
I think it's a 5-5.
That was a sick 4-step.
I'd say it's no one, so much extra time, and that buys Satanic.
Cause now the face is void, he's going after Satanic, but his windrun just comes off cooldown.
That's just gonna look better for Tundra.
Looks like they weren't controlled then.
Yeah, it's kinda dead.
He's too coarse, clean him up.
Decent damage.
That being said, Pure does have his NKV done, so you're talking about the damage.
Now if they catch the Wind Ranger early on, now she'll just die.
His 25 talents are also going to be large in this game, and Statenik already has his.
Debated on it for a bit, but you almost always take the Focus Fire kill advance.
I end up Statenik himself.
Interesting item choice to try and give himself.
survivability. It's the name of the game here for party. Just survive. Kill guys over time.
See if Jira can find some more good chronos in this game. He might need them at this point.
Do you have an Ag's lasso available too? So I need to look out for if 33 can find his mark.
Could also just point a fight. Especially if you drag multiple cores into a corner legs.
Yeah. And that's just GG. You can only disrupt the one.
Particularly the Winter Ranger.
Parry needs to protect the tank. He does not have Linkens. He's kind of relying on not getting caught in the spells, which means he cannot be the first point of contact.
If this Winner Ranger gets jumped first, it's almost a death sentence for Parry.
There's a lot of stuff, because there's also Toss. A lot of repositioning that Tundra has.
Oh yeah, it's kind of scary. Break apart the formation of Parry Vision, which is currently smoked on the other side of the river right now.
The rock being thrown out.
There's an ant damage.
Ooh, yeah, that'll feel real good for Satanic if a fight happens right now.
Got Flair's Bota on the...
case of void. That is...
extra damage as well.
Pretty nice.
Whitemon still holding on to the cobalt cup. What a cheat.
Look at that, tier 4 cobalt cup.
Third cup, I told him to keep that cup well, but you're not going to keep your spot on
this roster.
Better give me that move speed.
You think your neutral item is for you?
No, it's for me.
That's my neutral item.
Why won't you use my neutral item, please?
I'm not even kidding.
I think third gear.
He probably stays like, I don't know if there's a plate.
Like, guys, we lost this plate because I didn't get cobalt.
42 minutes. Where was my cobalt?
The funny part is, he's probably right.
Yeah, he might be.
Gain gets a little quiet now.
Is that net worth lead the Tundra once had was 10k? I mean...
Talk about the total net worth percentage wise, it is shrunk dramatically, right?
It used to be up 10k back when both teams were sitting at like 50k net worth.
Now they're at 90k and the net worth lead is only 5k.
Definitely you're stabilized by cards. Game was getting out of control.
Re-evened it out, denied that Aegis, reset the mentality, and now they're working towards
the late game scale on their two cores.
It has not been the fastest or the prettiest, or most one-sided Huskarkian.
It is still a Huskarkian.
Good try, good try, but the channel keeps going.
Don't get this, Atanix, he's pretty scary, he does not die in chrono, he's gonna wipe
you in the fight.
There's more and more pressure on Pure as Steve goes later.
That's the faceless void, I mean, you pick this hero you have to deliver when the time
comes.
He's gonna go back through the gate.
He's gonna scan.
Nine classes on the run though, and he's riding Shadowfax.
Look at him go.
He's so fast, still get caught by the Avalanche Force staff toss back.
That's a great find, that's a gem.
That's a gem, there it is.
Time for the Roche spawn. Look at that.
Potential spawn time.
I'm gonna guess 15 seconds spawn.
I'm gonna assess 2 minutes and 30 seconds.
Holy 24 seconds. Goddamn, that was fast.
Oh, you're not gonna do that.
But they're gonna go for a tossback, not the chrono.
A little awkward there. It seemed like they had different ideas of what the play was.
Life better not to... You can't really chrono the one guy.
You don't know where the Shatter Demon is?
Sure.
I mean, if you toss him back in Chrono, I feel like that is possibly acceptable, because...
I don't know, this guy is blink.
Oh, here we go.
It's gonna be a musician.
They just got a buyback. That's something still of last to available too.
I think you could last on have that get disrupted.
That might be an acceptable way to start the fight.
Man, especially since it still pulls them out of position.
Gotta think about buybacks here too, though.
Buybacks vs. Chrono, always strong.
Here comes Farry vision. They get up onto the high ground with their smoke.
And they're seeing Whitemon first.
Could be a good grab if they go for it.
Avalanche hits no one right as he tried to go forward with the silence.
Smith's down on Whitemon. He gets away.
Farry vision now hold the high ground.
They're gonna push Shackle.
They can't finish up the Phoenix in time.
The Supernova's gonna go out. Can they get off the Chronosphere though?
They gotta grab onto an illusion.
They kill the egg right before the Chronosphere.
Pure. He's trying to hit, but it's just not looking good.
He's gonna go from triple S. There goes the disruption.
St. Tannick almost died, so with the combination from Ari, no one pushing forward, St. Tannick is going to get burned out by 33 and BZM.
He got back to Pure, Pure's filled, dancing around inside this river. He got to call us.
Triple S, Dick Man should get out though. Bye back from at least St. Tannick to hold this potential Roach play at bay.
Wild. I cannot. I've rarely seen him go for that kind of play. That was just...
I'm going to win one in and just shackle two of their heroes together, including the boy.
okay yeah that's an entry way into the fight also like triple s grabbed a
pulverizing an illusion and it actually stops the void from being able to get
off chronosphere no one sounds on 33 oh good save disruption from the callus he
blanks in now he's gonna have some problems especially if no one still
dies to call us okay he's gonna die inside the pit not the same they're
looking for it now the last 33 on not much HP triple s tries to kill him but
The last one has done his job! It's Caustic Tannock! Pulled him out into a tieback!
That might be the last one they needed to break this game open.
It is indeed. Bi-Vac used by no one, but he can't stop this Roshan from being claimed.
Somehow, 9-Clash slips the noose there.
He'll get out, but ultimately 100 seconds means Tundra can do whatever they want here.
It's Roshan into a push.
So much damage coming out from the space exploit.
He's so hard to burst with, say, Tannock, Lincoln's.
If you don't kill him, he's just...
...destroying you with insane attack speed, all the bashes.
He's got the backtrack chance up as well, in the middle of all that, so he's even tankier.
He also can't forget about the...
...attack speed projectile...
...the attack projectile slow.
Some of these windranger hits going in, they can't burst him because the projectiles get slow, for sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then he can get the time lock off.
It's an influential unit at this point in the game.
This is just such a tough fight.
You get this solid disruption.
It's just, how'd you know I'm running?
The Void even gets thrown out of the pit by Roach.
I don't know if that helped to hurt him there.
He dodged someone to win range or damage him.
And the last one just feels to be a low HP, but 33, he don't care.
He's going in every time you find Titanic, you take that.
So that'll be Roach on.
Refresher charge for the Void.
They get ages to 33 who has no buyback.
They're gonna try and end it right here with double chrono.
There's number one, Chrono.
On two, disrupts him to bail out one,
and just for the other.
No one's trying to do the damage he can,
but now it's turning to a three-man, Chrono.
So you're on the second round,
that kills the shattered demon, kills triple S,
that's a dieback for him, leaving no one for last.
All Parry vision will fall.
And Tundra, close it out, two-0.
Honestly, I'm kind of impressed that Parry
brought that key back to a winnable state,
given how bad it was to go 15-20 winnable.
It just makes the question,
Why did it go so long for them?
So quickly when, in theory, they had this clutch Huskar click in there.
You can't help but feel they're just not really a Huskar team,
which is the gambit that Tundra was calling.
We just don't think you can play this here.
Maybe no one can execute it individually from a mechanics standpoint.
He still didn't look that comfortable on it. They didn't really play through the hero.
They enforced an early roche, make Tundra go into their Huskar timings.
It just felt like they were using the heroes another scaling 1-2, how they normally play.
And then I don't think that's good enough to justify it in a last position like that
We're supposed to run the lane run the towers running the mobile
There's no way you could go in this game and expect to be down three tier ones at the 12-round ball against faces
Void with Hustler that just cannot happen for you to do this line-up
So I feel like they just got out execute. I think I just really was phenomenal in this game
And I think this was
Not a master class, but a great class by pure yeah on how to play a slow carry quickly
and control the tempo.
Channeling shadows of
Ana.
And he had some motivation to do so
at the end of the game. He said
hashtag 4DM.
Honor Defended
and I guess Christmas came early
because my panel confidently remarked
I was like, yo, so
I get that the Husker vs. Amber matchup
can be dangerous, but let's just hypothesize
that it goes late game.
Let's say that Faces with Foy becomes a little bit of a nuisance, and Aiden, you told me, don't worry about it, the game's gonna be over before that.
Brother, this Foy was like, at minute 15 killing Huskar, yeah?
Yeah?
That's not supposed to be happening in this game.
Tell me why.
Why? No one, eh, lose me, like, no one.
It's not normally.
No, not normally.
Someone check him, do you see?
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, no one is just, to be frank, he's just not experienced on Huskar.
Huskar he is like 11 games all time or something that's just not enough on a hero that is very
execution based and not something if you just randomly pick up that was a crazy heck of blinding
nine class played out of his mind this game so for as much as we're able to put no one under a
microscope I also want to share some praise for the Kata player here yeah that was uh that was
beast mode for sure and it's honestly super impressive they held on as long as they did
after how bad they got thrashed early game um at the end of the day w's and l's really care about
and they're going home with two big fat L's.
It was a 2-0, confident, and Ted...
Unloseable, I think.
That was correct.
Unloseable.
Because they can lose...
They did lose.
They did lose.
Yeah.
Loseable.
Loseable.
Oh, I see.
Un...
Separate boss.
It's an um.
I was saying...
I was like, um, loseable.
We're gonna verify that in the VODs, but I do think that there is gonna be some VODs to review because if we're talking about
Weaknesses being exposed over the course of a group stage. Surely Quinn players are gonna be looking at
Oh, no one may not be the sharpest on Huskar
Maybe we don't need to ban it out if you want to last pick an Ember Spirit
Yeah, I mean this is definitely the kind of the kind of game that
Alters further drafts like someone sees this game. They will not be in Huskar
And they see you lost to 24 Huskar against Ember. It's done. It's not being banned anymore
I think this is a very good instance of showing his inexperience on the hero.
Kiki's top gets a cool kill on Tiny. I don't mind this so much, but it's what he does after that is very strange to me.
He's chasing Bat in some way that he thinks he actually can kill him, and even if he could kill him, it's such a colossal waste of time when he has no TP.
And this whole time, Ember, who's ending his Huskar, has the same CS as Huskar. It's just not okay. It's not normally.
He jumps in this fight, you know, he's cooked, I mean, really, it's just a montage of him dying.
But to be honest, like, all the deaths after this early game are just a symptom of the fact that his early game was too bad.
I think he's got this weird dragon and some knives that could sure why he has it.
There's just all these little small things, and Huskar is such a hero that is based on snowballing.
It's like, everyone knows his lane is a monster, so if you don't get that monster at start, then your hero's nothing.
Because you're predicated on being ahead. If you're not ahead, especially against Void,
who just like blast you eventually like and you just press this chrono on you and he hits
you with his big stupid maze for like an hour and a half you can't move when you're dead
like that's just every Husker ever's void game if you don't win the early game so I'm
lucky.
I am now curious about that dragon, this concept maybe like okay they're going to be more focused
on chronoing my wind ranger and then maybe I can pepper in some attacks into a chrono
if I have longer range?
Yeah, maybe I think really the issue with that is it just doesn't work like that like
You can't chip Void down. You either burst him or you don't do any damage to him at all in the game fight
so I feel like you need to buy aggs and
Shiva's and things like this that either reduce his damage
So you he can't kill you as well as you can't kill him right you can play longer fights
Where you kill everyone else on his team or you buy aggs and you stun him so that you actually can burst him
I think you've got to pick an avenue, but like thinking you're gonna manfight Void with Huskar is kind of thinking
and even with that though they
It was a moment where party vision still kind of came back into the game a little bit and you're bought tier 2
It seemed like they had an opportunity for a comeback and I
Have to be a little bit wary if I was time for giving up such an advantage
It happens. I feel like you know you're playing this game
I think if you ask Honda this game was never like in there. Yeah, I think after that early game
I think you're nervous for like the first 30 seconds of the game and then BGM says guys
I have four CS on the first wave and then BZM says I have four CS on the second wave and then
Third wave he's like okay guys my game is I'm free-forming and then like
Everyone is comfortable, you know
You're not really worried about like some minor thing going on because they had like a lot of things to fall back on
I think this void time dilation is a big big problem for the heroes and fights like that
I feel like if I'm playing any of the
supports on
party side it's very tough to play into the void and obviously like we're
saying Oscar doesn't want to do it either so you know yeah it's you're not
scaling well into the scheme which I will again I guess I'll give even more
props to mine class for making a coddle happen in the game like this where
faces what would be a huge nuisance for him he's still able to put up numbers
sure I mean they gave it a bloody good go yeah and I think as a series overall
tundra just looked a bit more comfortable I think as well although the
The games were closer than I think people might remember.
There were definitely moments, especially in the first game, where it could have gone
either way.
But this game, everything that Quinn said about, hey, good Oscar game, but has he got the skills
to pay the bills on this hero?
And I feel like sometimes you'll see teams do this, where they drop the hero that they
know is the right hero, and everyone's picking this hero, this is a good hero.
And it's like, all right, who's going to play it?
We don't know.
Mows have done that a few times, where they pick the hero that you think.
They like right. Well, there's a good hero. We're gonna pick it. It's like, are you comfortable in the hero?
Well, not really the fraud check. I'll pick it up the frauds. Yeah
That's what we used to call it. It's like you have to check if the team
Yeah, and no one's Oscar is obviously a fraud, you know, you people are scared of it, but it's it's not actually good
You know, it's like this thing. What do you mean the frog check fraud you check if I'm
I'm not talking about that. We're talking to a moon meander coach of a tundra moon a lot of our conversation about this game
To is uh revolving around that huskar pick so if you mind shining a little bit of light on you guys
23 pick ember
What was the conversation after so it's like yo no one doesn't know how to play off-tar or is it like I don't know if they'll do it I
I mean the conversation was hard to hear because my mom was just yapping the whole draft so it was hard to like focus and I was like
This position fires such a bitch ass up
So we just ended up MMR's house guard like it was full bullshit, but you know, whatever
What was that was why I'm not talking about anything constructive for all just yapping yapping
No, he was not talking about anything effective at all.
He was just like saying some stuff like people barely understand him, but he was accenting
that.
I don't know what he was saying.
Likely Story Moon, but I'll buy it.
I also got Quinn is standing by with the question as well.
Hello, sir.
I was curious, not even coached sort of peer at two different time periods.
How does coaching him now, compared to coaching him at the TI, you all had the run together?
How does the difference feel?
Does he feel like a different player or what's the deal?
Definitely big difference.
Now, he's no longer the captain, it's Neda, the power-dynamic shift before he was like the head honcho, now he's like just chillin', cruising, but he does the input in, and he wants to play his voice spirit, pox flex, you know, we just let him do it.
Okay, so when he wants to play those heroes, are you kind of like deep down, are you like, oh come on man, this is sus, or are you like, do you buy in, where's your head at on like the down low, you know?
On my head, I'm like, of course, this is Susie Bussey, but he's like, he's the best puck in the world and stuff, and I'm like, oh, you know, whatever, let's get it out of the system, let's pick it in like some dream league group stage match.
Oh, here he comes.
Yeah, thanks for that answer, Moon. We all love Pure.
Okay, well, big, big, big pure fans.
I got one more question for you.
I asked for an interview with you after yesterday's series,
and I was told you had some technical difficulties
getting to the player booth.
Can you tell me the configuration of the building
that you're in right now?
Well, we're in a conference room in a hotel.
Not sure where the, oh, the technical difficulty was,
I just left my food on the table,
and I didn't eat this like three o'clock.
So like the technical difficulty was I needed to grab it,
come in and grab my lunch,
I was like, ah whatever, we'll just chill.
Well then this is a different story than I got.
Do you know anything about an elevator?
Because I was told there was an elevator involved.
Oh, uh, there was a fire alarm at one point because it's the hotel like fire alarm test at 12 o'clock.
That day, something like that.
Uh huh, okay, then we'll have to run some numbers on that one.
Moon meander, congratulations on an exceptional 2-0 victory.
Looking forward to more dubs from Tundra.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
See you later. That is it for that series. Although we are only at the halfway point right now.
I got Liquid versus a Betoom team coming up after the break.
I just want to move my feet, now, yeah.
Just give me the beat that's all I need.
Just feel your feet and let it breathe
Cause all you see is all you need
Don't be cheap, don't do it for free
Turn off the heat like an oven baby, give me that oven
Ain't me wanna lose control
Go in the beast off, pump it in the party
Get jumping, everybody get on the floor
See if you use your mind and you lose your clue
Then you know what you're doing right
And if you ain't in the mood, I tell you what to do
Just give me the beat, I just want you, my feet, now
Just give me the beat, I just want you, my feet, now
Just give me the beat, I don't wanna step in your toes when I see you moving
I don't wanna let this go unless that's what you're choosing
Everything that I've done is the truth and it's already proven
We just wanna make you laugh, wanna do it for you, get a new smith
Turn up the heat like an oven, baby, give me that lava
Make me wanna lose control, go in the beast, stop pumping
In the party, keep jumping, everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your mind and you lose your crew
Then you know that you're doing it right
And if you ain't in the mood, I'll tell you what to do
Got some nature in my life, just give me the beast
Just give me the beat, I'll just fall in love with my friend
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat, I just want to be the beat
I do not galactic paradise, I found a bone rock
Bems laid around my eyes, felt the earth shimped
It was a gift, I paid my dues and read my ticket
For the best adventure
I'm on my way, head on, take it through with me
I'm on my way, you don't care for me
And I'm straight through the stars, head straight to the future
I'm gonna run my way to the best adventure
When the night's hot, it's the best
The best adventure
Give it to me, give it to me
When you take the time to do it
And it's slow, down and back
And then on wide
That was sick. Let's see it again.
That was sick. Let's see it again.
Now let's sing. Let's see the end.
Now let's sing. Let's see the end.
Thanks, Burge.
I'm the best adventure
I'm on my way and I'm taking away my pain
I'm on my way to get it so get free
You're free to go
Four stars as me to the future
I'm on my way to the best adventure
Lets go
That's Adventure
Where'd he go?
Dream League Season 28 is brought to you by DHL and Chex.
I will say Dream League has it all.
We got the Dota, of course that's great.
We got Arch, but no, you guys can see, but we got Arch, artistic people, we got statues,
we got people, we got parts as well.
So I think one of the main things that we have here at Dream League, making it as unique,
it is of course the fantastic, the wonderful, the musical, the talented Park Jampanas.
We've also got people on the panels in the year, so we've got Brian, different chair
for you, Brian, how you doing?
I got promoted, this is usually Jenkins' job, but they decided I was at least qualified.
I don't normally see Jenkins with like seven monitors in front of him.
I've got very important job, Sheever.
Yeah, yeah, he's got old... where'd we go?
Well, he's right here, but you're wondering, of course you're wondering where Perch went
because he was not sitting on the chair, but you saw him earlier, he's waiting in the wings,
first man say hi to Quinn Quinn I do oh I'm good I'm looking for purge where
is purge where do you go where do you go
and I'll see him oh and there we go we are gonna check in with purge because we
are getting ready for the third series of the day our first series of the day
and it is a bedroom versus liquid and purge is a lot of important stuff to
say about that series. I got 25 different clips to show you
guys can't wait to start them off now 25 25 clips
You guys can check this series is going to start in about 2 hours anyways, the biggest thing that's been happening in the meta right now in my opinion is the focus around the Tormentor and the stuff that happens leading up to it.
Teams are getting better at defending their towers basically, but Liquid is like subverting expectations. Can we jump on the clips please? I'm ready. We got to start on how the Wax are going to be here all day, you know what I mean?
Alright, check this out. There's subverting expectations about what they do about defending towers. They're doing light defense basically. They don't want to commit a lot of heroes because they're busy hitting creeps.
They're actually not defending their towers too much. They don't care about them as much.
They put a hero in a lane like a support, for example, and a tower that's likely to be taken,
and they just say, well, you're going to get golden experience until they gank you.
And when he does get ganked, his team does not give a crap about him. They just let him die.
Tower gets ganked, tower dies, it takes four to five heroes to do this,
and in the meantime, they're just hitting creeps. Mickey didn't stop for a single second.
But what happens afterwards that's kind of interesting is they actually don't give up their ground.
if I can get the next step to play. Oops, sorry previous clip. Alright, they don't give up the
ground afterwards because Mikkei doesn't want to give up this area so he gets covered a little bit
by the supports. This is the one way that they stabilize a little bit. Shofu's gonna move through
this area, he's gonna ward D-Ward, he's gonna let his opponents know that he's here because Mikkei
doesn't want to slow it on his farming speed because it's really about their net worth more
than it is about their tier one map control. And occasionally they do go for a little fight
if they see a good opportunity. In this case Nisha is gonna contest the power rune, nice rotation
from ace, great chin stuns, and despite having a shield run, Tuck gets exploded.
And what they do after these ganks is kinda interesting because usually what it leads
to is them taking towers.
In this circumstance, Razor is like, I'm farming and using my ulti farm, but with this Kronos
here that comes out, tank team didn't get used before he snowballed in so they weren't
able to kill ace.
And we actually make a TP to this one because if he sees the carry rotate, he feels like
matching him is worth it.
And what happens after they get this build is they say, well, we're here anyways because
we had a good reason to TP, that's when we're gonna take a tower.
They're not like, planning for it, they're reacting to what their opponents are doing,
and they're taking map control afterwards as a result.
So what they do afterwards is say, okay, well, we'll go look for a little bit of fishing
afterwards, because they're trying to prepare for the 20 minute mark.
They want to get kills on the map, and let those lead naturally into objectives.
In this case, they kill Tusk, Clock also spots Warlock, he goes for a second kill, they get
both of those kills.
And what do they do afterwards?
They go pressure the tower.
Again, a lot of teams are playing so reactive, or so defensive in that, they want to defend
all the towers near the Tormentor to make this setup good, but Liquid instead flips the switch at 15 minutes early,
a brimepoint of this out earlier in the week, and then they go aggressive.
They're looking for kills, and they're taking objectives afterwards, and after they succeed in those kills,
it feels easy. They built a 4k lead here, just reacting well, and they got the Tormentor free despite losing all their tier 1 towers.
They frankly don't care about it, so that's what I wanted to look at for Liquid.
I can't wait to see if they do this as well in this upcoming series.
Thank you for watching my 25 Clips.
Thanks, Purge. You're welcome, Purge.
Thank you for gathering 25 clips. Objectives are very important.
I will say, we also have our own objective while we're sitting here.
And we've been in task every day, and we have another task, another objective to go through.
And if you could point this time around, you read the card.
Okay, there's an exclamation point on us, Schieber.
Pieces of the past, complete this puzzle in the shortest period of time.
You will be racing against the other shift.
Fastest time or highest amount of puzzle completion at the end of your shift will win, Sheaver.
Your time starts when you open the box.
Well, I will tell you that the previous shift got 99% in four-something hours.
So either we do 99% in four-something hours or we do 100% and either one will win.
I heard that Ted had an epic flip the table moment.
He had a flip the table moment.
He did throw the puzzle.
I will say, I will tell you what, I will tell you.
It was a little bit of karma that happened.
While, so the interest for the puzzling
wasn't necessarily there at the start of the day.
So production gotta let us help.
So when I came in, I saw production
hard at work at this puzzle.
And they did the majority of the puzzle.
What?
And I think that they might have misplaced
rather place some puzzle pieces wrong so when the crew went to fill in the last
spot it wasn't entirely possible because there was some mistake made earlier in
the process and they got a little frustrated and they tried to jam all
the pieces in where they didn't like it was an interesting scenario. There's another
possibility where the pieces actually don't all fit. There is yeah but well
one of them for example they had a piece where you know a puzzle piece where
But it was a hole, but it was connected to another hole.
Yeah, I saw it, I saw it.
So it wasn't it.
But maybe it was just misformed.
Maybe it was, maybe it's faulty, and this one will also be faulty, assuming they're
the same as you know, I'm not going to put the double hole.
There is a chance that they're going to be, you know, made by the same company, I would
imagine, because it's custom, it's custom pictures, guys.
Shiver, what happens if we don't open the puzzle box?
Then you lose, because we got 98%.
Yeah, well, you always say, you're a bad person.
It's undefined, I believe.
But I also, I'm on that, I'm half and half.
Yeah, yeah, so you're with us now because you want to win?
Is this a new puzzle?
What?
Is it a new puzzle, except you've seen it before?
It's a different puzzle, it's a different picture.
Yeah, I heard that from Neil, and who knows?
But Neil said that there's different picture for both shifts,
so that we wouldn't have an unfair advantage for already knowing what picture it would be.
Yeah, because it's definitely not okay to give us an advantage in the next shift.
No, we don't mean it.
Yeah, we want to win 8, no fair and square.
Yeah, but the previous shifts had a picture that was from 2018
of a dream league with out of disco balls because there wasn't so there was a little bit
Photoshop action going on. So that's something I would expect to do
We are also going to be talking about that boom liquid. Don't you worry in the meantime?
We're just gonna puzzle because it's not like you know, we have a long time so we can we can leisurely make the puzzle
Last season when we made puzzles a lot of puzzle pieces
Disappeared that's what I was gonna say. I literally at the start of the season. We moved the TV forward
Yeah, for some reason and we saw like eight puzzle pieces. They found that had fallen from the table in between the TV and they got
Lost and that's why we struggled so much on that puzzle. We're just missing. I open the box start the time. Oh my god
Come on. Shever. Let's go. Let's go open that bag. Oh
We have an entire
They give me an entire island
That's like that's like a corner part, too
That's like a really important foundation get that out of there nice and clean. Yep. There we go
Yeah, it's actually holy crap
What would even just because night shift like it's a light. Please hold there's a couple
I mean in the sky. This is gonna be the upper left
So I guess like for the upper right for the these are custom-made puzzles
These are custom-made like they the whatever company makes these somebody like manually goes in and breaks them up or something
because that's the only way you're able to find pieces with that.
Can we just divide them per box?
I always do edge pieces in this box.
Why don't we sort from here out?
Yeah, let's edge pieces in this box.
Separate corner pieces, and then from there.
Yeah, corner pieces if we see them, then put them in corners.
And I would imagine that we are going to also be able to talk about that.
We can multitask. We are so good at multitasking.
Uh, start time for the game is a little ways away, because official start time is, uh, 5.30.
Which is, well, and of course we are 5, we're from the future.
Oh, from the past. How does that work?
Because they see us.
We're from the future.
But they see us, when they see us, we already happened, so we are their past.
Exactly.
Right?
Just gotta live in the present, Shever.
You're confusing me. We're from the future to them.
No, but obviously we're from the past, because by the time they see us,
see us it has already been transpired yes and maybe put all the red point
always you want to like delegate by color I was just getting edge pieces
always yeah okay but then afterwards why don't you yes if you're gonna set the
pieces down always set them image up you save time later these are good tactics
guys I really want to sit over here but I'm gonna it's gonna be my ass in front
the camera
it might be only i don't think anybody was playing i think that somebody would use my
bubble off you should get a puzzle for christmas no we always use the puzzle for christmas can
i get that box i'll gather all the yellow pieces i'm getting all the i'm getting all
the red ones over here okay they're not gonna get all the yellow pieces out again now you
can't hit that dog i'll let you but uh okay so we got bedroom and liquid and i will say
quarter piece both teams have very different results yesterday uh where's the other nine
section. Where we had Liquid 2-0 in extreme and it went pretty smooth for them. And then
I will say I was a little bit disappointed by Bedroom yesterday. I did think Poppins
would beat them. I don't think that was a big surprise, but I was kind of hoping they
would do it in a better way. Yeah, I don't know. Bedroom's just, it's weird because
they used to be a very consistent team, but they would always get like 3rd, 4th, 6th,
Something like that and then lose they wouldn't win the tournament. They'd always get 4 through 6 and now they become this team that
Somehow this contraining the most reliable team that never wins to a team that also never wins
But it's super unreliable like they've only downgraded which is not great for them
No, I just feel bad for them because it's it's there's so many good teams right now
And just judging by the the clear factor that you have a team like falcons who wins the iron struggles afterwards
It's like teams are just so good at catching up to each other lately for whatever reason
And so I have a lot of sympathy for a team like that boon is struggling like this because it there must be so much pressure
To roster shuffle if you have a couple tournaments like that that go week in a row
Yeah, it's definitely
So I would be surprised if they didn't roster
Feel that box
No, we
Were we tried to assemble this morning should we started assembling before they were
Yeah, we should all start right now.
Oh, you guys' glow was a bad start.
Oh, blame me now. Okay, that's my bad start.
He literally said in the instructions to work from the bottom up with number one.
Yeah, well, look.
Well, nobody read me the instructions.
That's fair.
I will tell you, I use Puzzle every time at Christmas
because we'd have a puzzle for Christmas on a big dining table.
Is that like a family activity you did?
Yeah.
Maybe back in the day at some point when you gathered a certain amount of side pieces
Someone can look at careful. Can we not start this off the thing? Thank you. Yeah, my bad. That's my bad
I'm excited Brian is super excited about this thing. What are you doing over here? Like what are you guys are?
I'm just take I'm just putting ones that aren't edges aside. Oh, cuz we have like colors. Yeah, I'm putting reds in there
I didn't I feel like it looks like a mishmash to me
I feel like your box is a mismatch because you're doing what we're doing here and
And then if you have yellow like red one yellow
There's like half red half yellows got like a giant pile put it on my hand not drop any pieces
I've got an edge piece, and I can take the vaguely green one. I feel like this is more of a yellow
surely just
Sort everything first. Nope, and someone should already start building. You know what they do in preferential competitions
You do old sort for a little while and then did you know that their first professional puzzle competitions?
I believe that that sounds like something there would be like everybody gets the same puzzle and then you have a team of four
You have to do it fast as possible
Generally, they all sort for the one hour something they all sort for a little while and then someone starts puzzling straight up
How long is the while?
Maybe five to ten minutes. Okay. I don't think we've done this exactly
Wow. HBs. Probably less than five to ten minutes, I would imagine.
They're all like mega sweaty try-hards. Yeah. Yeah, not us.
Definitely. The players are very chill.
But I would like to talk about the Dota as well, if our brains allow, you know?
We have four hours to do this. We really need to utilize our time.
Why don't we?
Yeah, okay. Our puzzles per minute are peepy.
There's a little slacks. Hold that. It's slacks.
Yeah, looking into your soul. I'll show that to the camera
I can do this. Oh wait the camera will zoom in hold up
Yeah, sure it sure is. It's the laxest sweet sweet face. Look at him. It's Dave Tanner
That's a very important piece how about now
You're just like a hand. We're about done sort you know through all of my things. Is that true?
Oh, we have kind of a not good distinction between these two piles right now.
No, I'm Brian just pushed all the ones that I had sorted out back into the main pile.
Wait, what? Brian?
Brian, those weren't, those weren't didn't look sorted at all.
Well, I just put, I put them all upside up and then...
Got the yellow piece.
It's a galley wag.
The yellow horn.
Okay, give me those three yellow pieces, I'll just start posing it in the middle.
Dastardly.
There are some, the red and the yellow are likely going together.
I feel like I...
It's like some pink ones.
I feel like I have a piece of the Chinese flag right here.
It's three minutes to drive.
No joke.
And um, that could be...
Yellow stars on red?
That could be.
Did you... well, let me just ask, do you guys want to talk about the dojo or you guys like that?
I want to wordlessly puzzle her one hour.
And that's the entire...
Well, everybody watches us.
Yes.
HG's please.
I think that's what people sign up for.
Yeah, that is definitely what they like.
Alright, I have a job.
Are we in the puzzling section of Twitch?
We should, maybe we should just...
Is there a puzzling section?
What do you guys think about Liquid's resurgence recently, where they're looking strong?
I feel like I need to see them win like five tournaments in a row before I believe it sometimes, but...
I heard Nisha is playing pubs, and that is the sole reason they're doing as well as they are.
Is it just Nisha?
No, Mickey Mouse is playing as well.
Okay, that's good, because I know it was not just Nisha.
Yeah, it was famously those two. I mean, also Ace is a famous not-pub player.
Really?
Yeah.
I don't know about him, so it's the whole team.
It's like those three angles we play
Talking tofu. Yeah tofu and the heck is the last player
Boxy boxy plays like a teeny weenie amount. Okay. Um, so yeah, I think it's good for all of them to play more
That makes sense. Especially if they are playing kind of reactive like I highlighted there
I mean having more experience is gonna do here's an edge piece. Let's face up here
I'll not say you guys could
We should have made a line. Let's say these ones are done. These are not done
All right, no line. I believe we are ready. I guess I'll start assembling the edge pieces.
I guess this chair was moved up earlier and I was confused why, but now I understand.
Is it possible that we get two people to work on edges so we can empty this box here?
You should be able to at least have a very clear difference between the different edge pieces.
There's red edges, and there's yellow edges, and there's green edges.
We utilize a box.
Also, did you know that this lava lamp is not lava-ing?
Yeah, it's sad. This is a big glob.
Is this a blob? Do I have to? Is it not even hot? No, it is warm.
It has to... Have you guys ever seen a not-hot lava lamp? It looks like it's...
Shouldn't it have been on for like four hours?
Yes.
So?
Once you've skewed it on?
Well, maybe they made this one out of a flashlight. Who knows?
What?
Is it the same one as it's been? Maybe it's broken?
It could be getting a little old. It's been on for about a week straight.
Do they even turn it off? And does it even get to rest?
We need a new one.
Anyways, let's take some... Yeah, sort some colored-edge pieces, Brian,
and then give the rest of your edge pieces to a box.
Okay, I'll take all the red edge pieces
so that we can work on a separate edge.
Oh, there's a corner piece.
Okay, that should be all of our corners.
Yeah, we have all four corners.
That's what there's four in a puzzle.
The top, the top on both sides
is gonna be the same blue color.
So, do you guys wanna talk about Team Liquid versus Bedroom
as like their play styles clashing?
Cause I feel like they've been playing
very different styles of Dota 2.
Hey, you guys good?
I'm worried about that booms style and any team that is losing a little bit more often because I feel like they're changing
They have to change your style or reinvent themselves
They're like thrashing to like survive in the tournament and they survived. Yeah, but I feel like that's the problem
You're losing. It's like do you have the confidence to stick to your normal style or are you going to?
Try to wing something last second in hopes that it works. I mean, I'll be totally honest
I don't even really know what the same style is anymore
Like I feel like on their prior rosters their style was very much we're super dominant lanes
We own you in lanes and then we play a very sort of slow methodical game
We build like a lead in a very annoying almost robotic way where you can't make any moves on us because we're looking at every possible
Angle we sit there and we farm or make smoke moves with GPK and the two supports and we get a kill
But to me that's not how they are anymore
Like I don't see them as this lane dominant team right now like they do well sometimes in lanes as soon as they don't like it's very
they just feel like a team without a strong identity and I think that is a
problemo because I feel like in nowadays Dota you need a good identity a good
identity well if you know what yesterday one of the games I feel like if you
don't have a strong identity one thing that you could well you should always be
able to rely on is going for a simple Dota done well you know going for it
concepts that are easy to execute like I mean Beastmaster is banned but he falls
into that character category very easily because everybody knows how you're
playing when you have a Beastmaster you play on the roar you're good so I am
was hoping that bedroom was gonna do something like that for themselves and
maybe that will about yesterday we did see character on the on the band as well
didn't end up working out obviously but it really rough playing the stage but
Yeah, catch up. He did made the game look close instead of us the biggest on which is slightly encouraging
There's another piece of the one comment
I'll make about the clip she made you show this
Courage is I I've been talking about the same a buddy syndrome old tournament that like several different teams are displaying and I just think that
liquids basically showing how not to do that and how the
I think you know we talk about teams being like team fight formation teams
I think liquid is a very map formation team like what two heroes go where how many heroes do they need to take an area
Are they just occupying an area forcing you to bring resources like you said like there's just a clockwork there
If you don't gank him with four heroes, you're not gonna get the tower
I think that's like pretty much what defines liquid's place foul for me is is just
Turning that into quick moves as well
But I'm just happy to see that not everybody's prioritizing every objective because I've seen
teams be contesting objectives to a fault more times than the opposite so I
have more resonate with liquid style in that way and I'm curious how it plays
out today we see here just going for a bad and again he did it against a Mars
viper yesterday and it did not go well for him I believe he was 0 and 4 like
8 minutes so maybe a bit of a redemption game he is nice against bat
writer of baton like especially later on in the game but I'm wondering how like I
think that writer just cuts lane right this hero just doesn't need to lane I'm
wondering if if that boom team chooses a five that makes it very difficult to cut
is there like a particular one in this matter that's good because I'm dying you
know you always think of the veins of the world but I mean shout out evens in
some ways the classic Chikiro was very good both those are bad
Another climate is like something clockwork or clock is pretty bad with a bad
The heroes don't really help each other that much that and kind of awesome
Some nukes I'm here with it kind of use the fact you a strong frontliner
So he too frontliners are the way it's not ideal
You know some some ways I think that writers actually not bad against the bad anymore
So here plays off a firefly in movement speed with sparing low to sore like all these survivability items lots of HP region
So you will never actually get into withering this range and you also kind of just kite this baton and keep poking him
And even if you last so I'm and like his old pops like you're happy with that
He can't fight anymore. It's on some ways. I think this is this could be like a match of misunderstanding
Interesting a match of misunderstanding that sounds very
It was surprised from that free of Gwyn that's you should take that offensively. Yeah, I
I did it, don't worry.
Okay.
You dig everything, that's okay.
Good to know.
Warlock, first stable hero.
This patch.
If you already know that Europe
is about Rider, whether or not
you have a
like you don't know yet
if it's core or support,
does you see both actually?
How important is it to have a save
or is it bad alone enough?
hmm I think you can't force a save too much like they've already got one yeah
you already you're a bad man you already have a safe hey man hey why not
really funny team why not say but I'm trying to do Jenkins job he's the one
making that's true doing good job sorry Quinn I don't know you didn't spit water
I don't know where the table is.
And then drink it.
And then drink it.
We can VHL some more.
And then zoom in on me please.
Thank you.
Okay, I need you guys' opinion.
What is this?
Can I have the yellow please?
Uh, VHL please.
I love VHL.
It looks like a chicken.
Before I'm thinking it could be what do you mean it could be I mean
There have been some weird costumes in dream league history. I feel like is this an edge piece
Everything you might have here. I have two of those. I have two of these as well. Okay. I need to start dead pieces
Yeah, I was like I feel like I thought I had a red edge. I was like I was like I'm missing between these two pieces
Is what it felt like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what happened. I got them. We got a lot of disables coming out from bed boo
I think that's real nice
Ok, some minus armor slardars, make it easier for them to kill any of these heroes single target.
Dave online, absolute classic here for some good initiation lock down.
Which they're lacking a little bit.
Line doesn't bring good counter push though, but that's maybe one downside to the lineup right now,
but should be ok.
More about fighting than it is about slow C.Jane I think.
But I like what Liquid's going for right now, because I feel like they're very covered against a lot of spirit heroes.
one of Tiny's advantages is he does, he can't layer lockdown pretty effectively against Spirit-type heroes.
And if you pair that with like Elasto or Shadowfiend right-cooking five to ten times, that's like dead hero on almost anybody.
Yeah, I'm a tad worried that somehow it could have gotten both Batrider and Shadowfiend.
Sometimes there's just a feel about a draft based on just the power creep level of those heroes and
Shadowfiend Bat are very, very peak right now, so giving them both is a little bit worrisome, I will say.
And I wouldn't say anything on Betboom Team's particularly good against Shadowfiend.
I liked the extreme gaming strategy with the brewmaster who just kept tossing him up and
then he like rushed Ag's AC and AC kind of negates Betboom's aura.
So I thought that was cool.
I don't feel like there's anything like that on Betboom Team's draft.
They have like the slaughter line, a lot of like single target go through BKB with the
slaughter.
So maybe Shadowfiend will have a bit of difficulty standing his ground, but it's not...
Like, Slardar does his job by consistently staying on you, and that seems really difficult with what Liquid's draft has.
Like, are you gonna be a Slardar going through Batrider Lasso and, you know, tiny disruptions and stuff like that?
That's a bit concerning for me.
I mean, at the same time for Liquid heroes, I do think they've picked a lot of sort of
disabled mid-range magic damage type heroes.
Generally, it's not something you want to stack too much of, like Tiny and Batrider
together.
They have some strong strengths and they're strong in skirmishes.
You've got a lot of the stable, but if you double down too much on that and then picking
a storm afterward, you can't end up with issues where everybody wants to jump and when everybody
wants to jump, it clumps you, means Warlock has, you know, can easily get big bombs, big
You get turned around on so generally you don't want too much jump in a team
You don't want that
Yeah, I think there's a
The best drafts are the ones that are like nicely balanced get a little bit of everything
It's like a little a sampler meal a charcuterie board of heroes
Like if jump heroes are good at jump
They are gonna be nerfed in ways that make them weaker in other ways because jump here is that also do the damage and our tanky
they're broken right? So if you have all jump heroes okay you can yell get on top of your
team but you're probably gonna be squishier on average or you're gonna be lacking in other things.
Ain't that?
Oh it comes down to buffing and everything typically.
Yeah sometimes heroes are just so broken that it doesn't matter what they are traditionally good
because their numbers are just not okay. I wouldn't say Tiny's numbers are not okay right now. Batrider
for sure. That hero does a little bit of everything he's kind of damaged and tanked and initiation
That's why there was first to cry because he's both the fight starter
But also there's all these other jobs and heroes that wear multiple hats tend to be the highest priority
And I just say that there's like some pieces that look like they should go together and they just don't like like after you have to like
You have to be really careful. You have to be I can see how the production messed this up
You mean the morning the morning crew hiring production. Oh, this is a dream. This is a vertical piece. Yeah
And yeah, yeah
Oh, that helped a lot actually.
There's also apparently a lot of Dota logos.
Oh no, it's just one, it's just connected with it.
I have a bit of a chicken.
Chicken?
A chicken?
Look, what I have, and based on the Dota logo, this is the way up.
So unless Dota logo is not correct, that's definitely a chicken.
Chicken.
Safe guess.
Alright, last pick here for Team Liquid.
They could still be support Tiny if they want to, I guess it's gonna be because it's
Storm Spirit.
He bats a nice lane, like very disruptive heroes, bad allows you to like rotate because he cuts lane and stuff.
Oh, they picked 5.
Okay.
I feel like I talked about like a hero that prevents the lane cut earlier and then they
picked Warlock and the default strategy against Warlock is to cut waves anyways like regardless
of the carry matchup.
So what I learned when I played with Warlock and pubs is if my carry is not like innately
threatening like a PA or a Ursa or something like this, it feels really bad when they
They just cut and I'm just what I'm concerned about is tiny he's gonna be really free to do whatever on the map and
Batrider is gonna get super farmed and they can't kill him because
They then picked what is likely a slaughter mid could be slaughter off off lane, but then like
There's there's no hero that kills back in the mid game. Like I really do think that yeah, the huskars cute
But I'm wondering if team liquid even considers like putting SF mid here
Like, uh, I make games like a former mid-player, maybe that's just not in their wheelhouse because, like, SF lane is so nicely against Huskar, but...
What's the storm Huskar matchup like?
It's pretty bad. There's some little things that matter a lot, like how the block ends up, and if you kill Huskar's ward or not, those are generally some of the biggest determining factors for how a hero does against Huskar.
I think it's Huskar.
Um, Storm can do fine for I'd say around three levels, and then it starts to get pretty
bad.
So generally you want to survive until you're level three and then start juggling and just
get as much XP as you can.
Wait for your team to be able to rotate and turn things around.
It's like the general protocol.
Um, I mean, I think Huskar games are always how good is the Huskar player?
Because I think that that hero was not directly countered by like A or something.
The hero is just very, very good because his laning is still dominant and you have so
many like new options, like taking roast really fast.
So to me, we saw a Huskar game earlier, no one kind of, kind of crap the bed.
So to me, it's like GPK, what kind of Huskar are you right now?
How do you feel about his Huskar?
Because you were saying no one doesn't really play Huskar.
How do you feel about GPK's compared to no one?
It's definitely another level.
Like, GPK's Huskar is certainly better.
Now it's not like the Maureen, the martyr of Huskar, but it is definitely better than
no one's.
So I have higher hopes.
And I look forward to see if he can, he can impress me.
Impress.
Impress.
Did you see the drafts?
I did.
I did, yeah.
I mean, I just have more faith in Team Liquid right now.
They got the spooky shadow fiend, I feel like their lanes are mostly solved, and that's
going to allow them to keep the game close until that 15-minute mark when they want to
go around the map and get kills, and Storm has been really good for that, reacting to
like enemy movements at the right time and forcing kills, and if they can get a little
gold lead there between 15 and 20, parameter is easier, and then they kind of just have
bigger than it so I would put more faith in that lineup. I did not see the last
pick though. That's fine. So maybe I'm gonna go. That makes a lot of
sense while you're talking about Huskar. It's one of those things that I feel
like we're at the point in this series where we would go for Team Liquid
side even if the draft was more bedroom favored. They have to prove to us
that they're worthy of our vote of confidence but let's see how game one
We'll play it self out. It's the best of three, of course, and before we're heading over to Assange Finance Center,
we're gonna have a little bit of a jump on this.
Game 1 is upon us, ladies and gentlemen, Zephyr vs Liquid.
has been struggling but they did make it to the second group stage just barely
liquid pretty much dominating everybody up until this point kind of a tale of two
teams right now syndrome and I feel like a lot of eyes in this game are on GPK and
his Husklar because in my experience at least the game literally comes down to
to the laning stage of Huskar a lot of the time.
Yep.
When you pick Huskar as the overall last pick,
you are expected to crush your lane.
Otherwise, the hero is generally not worth it
a lot of the time,
and you are expected to dictate
the flow of the game after that.
Now, interestingly, for me, GPK,
we've talked about his development as a player
where a couple of years back,
he would have games where he would just clearly tilt,
lose his way when he had a bad start and never recover.
And as a result, my perspective on that guy's Huskar is a little bit warped, I think, and maybe outdated,
because I remember being thoroughly unimpressed with his Huskar for multiple games in a row that Bed Boom used to pick it.
But then, as of the last half year or so, I feel like he's done a better job at understanding the hero's timings and stabilizing it,
and not making critical errors, and also not overcompensating when things go wrong.
That's something that happens a lot to Huskar players, where,
oh, I'm supposed to own, I'm not owning,
oh, I have to overcompensate by now going for deep dives and finding many kills to bring it back.
When, sometimes it's not a requirement that you absolutely smashed it, so.
I'm curious to see in this game how he's going to do.
The lane should be an auto win against Storm.
This is a very easy lane matchup for Huskar.
Like Quinn said, Storm tries to get a little bit in the start and then he's largely going to jungle.
What do you think about
Huskar in the game in general because I feel like with this shadow theme that we've been seeing
Doesn't seem like a good at matchup like mid to late games. The SF matchup is bad. All the other ones in this game are good though
You have cauterized against bad writer, which is very good when you start getting stick heat up
You can just remove the stacks and get a little bit of a heal and reset
Chen will sometimes have some stuff on you like penitence or maybe a creep ability
So then you get additional value out of cauterize
It's all right
But yeah, I agree if this if this goes later. I'm worried about his matchup into shadow fiend
He does have some good friends. Oh, no, Nisha. Oh, Nisha. That's a lot of burners here
He's okay. There's a fairy and a tango running only level one burning spears at this point
I'm level hasn't put the third point. Oh, he actually went one one one. Okay, yeah
He's killed inner fire level two you went one zero one
A lot of times we've seen this matchup, not just against the storm necessarily, but any
low-range hero as Mikkei, is actually going to be first blooded by Nieros, not expecting
that.
Yeah, Shadowpeen Chen, a lane that is supposed to lose to very little.
They also aren't losing, but it's for the time being they're drawing now with that kill.
Yeah, I'm keeping my eyes a lot on it just because it's not only the impact that it has
on the game, it's also looking for the little things.
These are the type of matchups where when elite teams play you can really learn a lot
about lane mechanics.
Puskar is a good hero to watch when you're trying to learn how to inch out every advantage
because this hero at a high level exploits every little thing he possibly can about lane
equilibrium, orb attacks, repositioning the wave when ahead, and obviously that means
for the opposing side you are trying to counteract the, let's call it normal laning.
Against Huskar sometimes you see heroes pull waves, you see them not play the lane, you
see them do this and that, and of course GPK at every turn will try to keep the lane in
its place, because that's how Huskar wins, and so far so good.
Sitting at 16 and 11, so Nisha's 10 and 2.
We'll see how long it takes for Nisha to say, okay, I go jungle guys now
When you leave this Huskar alone in the mid lane obviously able to
Push the tower relatively easily. Do you have a support or anybody that can come and leech?
It doesn't really look like it
I mean the tiny can go there and take XP if you feel like you can leave bad rider alone
Then Huskar if he tries to go on you you can just toss him away
It's not great, but if Storm really wants to full jungle, while Huskar is playing the lane, that could be a potential option to get something out of it.
I think that rider is going to be in the jungle a lot of time already.
Yeah, most of the time what's probably going to happen is Storm will start jungling.
If Huskar pushes into the tower, Storm will try to take the experience, and then in turn the Huskar supports will rotate to try to bully him away and take the tower and maybe die in Kelvin.
So there's a lot of riding on this port duo as well, and that's where a lion can be really interesting here
I think warlock not exactly particularly useful for that the lion could be very nice
in order to
ensure gpk that a
tower lead
But we are indeed getting the tiny inmates so liquid are making that play call here
Putting boxy in there to get whatever he can
Yep, so Nisha in the jungle as the storm seen this many a time
I mean the worst thing you could do is just give up the kills to GPK.
Yeah.
He's gonna be getting farmed pretty much regardless.
That is a mistake that countless players make on the daily, is sometimes the best play feels really bad.
But it's the best one.
So then you gotta make that one. You're gonna go to that jungle.
There's a little demon inside you that keeps telling you go to lane, you have to lane, and you need to suppress that demon.
That voice, you shut it out of your head and you accept Haskar as king.
Yeah, that demon, just take that Pepto Bismol and call it a day.
Yeah, that's right.
Been there so many times, Cinderan.
Armlet obviously gave me the first item of choice for GPK.
What would you like to see for him?
Like a quick blink?
Yeah, I would like that.
I think Armlet, Dagger, and then...
I think PKB is decent, and then maybe you'll start thinking about
how do I deal with Shadowfiend.
That's probably your build.
So maybe there's some interesting stuff with some armor involved.
I've seen some players go Shiva's on Huskar.
I think that could be kind of cool here.
Anything up some damage.
That's cool.
Get the armor against SF, you get the slow.
You can combo that slow with your inner fire
for a very strong slow-silence combination.
Healing reduction against Chen.
There's like little benefits here and there.
Perhaps that's something you'll do.
Otherwise, you know, just standard stuff with LinkyKBX.
Let's see the...
I want to see the E-Blade cinderant, the one-shot build.
Yep.
Smoking like a true turbo enjoyer.
The topson bill
The topson a turbo enjoyer GPK is a doctor life break on to boxy
And that is going to be an easy pick off for him third blood. That's right. And yeah, this is each equipment
Gonna go and keep pushing the tower
He is Katomi. A little bit surprising to see GPK not commit further for that right now,
and as a result, in comes Nisha, says, thank you very much, I would like my level 6, and he shall
get it. He's on par with Slardar's farm, not bad. Yeah, I was gonna say, this is not, I mean,
not that GPK is doing badness to say it, but he is certainly not dumpstering like we would
Potentially expect from this matchup. I mean there's just limits to how much you can do right?
I don't think he could have won the lane by that much more than this
Like he was clearly winning and storm left and jungle and then at that point
It's kind of up to either you dive him in the jungle and shut him out entirely at your own expense or it's the support's job
You can't really get much more farm out of the lane than he did I think
He's still ahead by 800. It's not bad
It's a decent lead. Doesn't help that Nisha steals some stacks in their triangle.
That could have been avoided.
For sure.
I look forward to the evolution of Betboom in this tournament.
Feels like they've been kind of down and out for the most part, but like we talked about, obviously.
They're still in the tournament, and they just don't look like they're old selves.
I feel like I'm just waiting for them to wake up.
I was going to do that chop stewie lyrics if I literally couldn't remember.
Something make up.
Yeah.
Why'd you leave the kids up on the table?
I don't know.
You want it to?
I know bits and pieces, doesn't really come off that good when you don't know the whole
stuff though.
That's one of those things where I think more people know the wrong lyrics than the
right ones.
Yeah, definitely.
Alright, well Bethbom gonna group up here to take out this heroine.
Yep, no armlet, but doesn't need it when you have a good friend with a shadow word to help out.
Triple dipping here with supports arriving.
Bit of a commitment, but I think the logic for Bethbom here is we want to free up GPK to move ASAP.
Taking this talent getting armlet we can be denied.
Think about Rosh and Top, yeah, nicely played from Boxer here.
Beautiful.
That was fortified with like 5 health or something.
Perfect.
Then we can see Ace on the Bat Rider in the corner of your screen.
He is been mostly juggling rather.
Calling him junk.
Having a pretty good game.
It's not his, I think of Ace, I think of Underlord.
That's the first hero at least.
But don't worry, you can build that with Auras, so he's fine.
Yeah.
Scott the drums, he's gonna go boots of bearing as well as I would imagine.
This is not a good pipe game, maybe?
My friend from GPK, showing off that armlet, that'll be a free beat.
Obviously would have rather have gotten Mikke, but I'll take what they can get at this point.
It still is liquid with a 1K leap, down two kills and a tower.
Yeah, that is.
out farming that boom and a big part of that is Ace sitting on 85 CS on his Batrider, literally
just jungling 504 build, hitting creeps.
No, he's had very little resistance, so why not?
Yeah, it's fun though.
You pick a Baton as a counter and then you draw the lane.
So he's obviously a game counter as well.
He's hard to lasso.
a photic shield a teammate when they get lassoed if you clutch and there's
definitely play but as far as like a high value response I don't feel like
that boom I've got that much out of this
Kiritich having a much better game than yesterday I thought it would be possible not to
yeah he got run over by that Viper lane courtesy of Ammar and Crit. 2500 gold
into his eventual radiance. I believe he picked that up at the literal 20-plus
minute mark if I'm not mistaken. His game yesterday was just father to him, and they
came back though. That kind of recovered that game. They still lost but they made
it look somewhat interesting, which I was not expecting, which could maybe be a
good sign for this game because you're somewhat, you're pretty much even.
Badda is having a much better time and you have some strong mid-game timings
with Warlock, Fatal Bonds, Golem, Huskar is going to peak at that time.
They definitely have the makings of a good 20-minute lineup,
and that's good in this patch, would you believe it?
Being able to contest Tormentor and Wisdom's always nice.
Very low kill game, but like he talked about Liquid,
despite only having one at the moment, 2k lead as their farm is just better.
Yeah, and once you get some auras you got the boots of bearing on ace. You're gonna be able to fight pretty early for liquid
Yeah, the the enemy support should never catch up to Chen the game like this
It's warlock lion so the net worth will be favoring in terms of supports liquid for the entire game unless
Things go very wrong Chen will just out farm them by a lot and that could give them a bit of an aura advantage with some earlier
Mick Greaves, he's actually going Pavis first so maybe you'll get the full solar
just throwing everything onto Mickey to make him a god. I don't mind that idea
for the game. You're playing into Slaugar, you're playing into Huskar, you know
there's going to be heavy single target damage so going for the single target
solution. Can you say that name again of that item? Solo crust? Why did you say it
correct this time? Because now you ask me to. Okay. When you say it by itself, say
the first word by itself so long yeah why do you change it when it's by itself
that's interesting oh because I say so long and then when I say together I say
solar yeah just you know just yeah it's always good to be corrected or yeah
especially when you're correcting somebody that can speak basically five
languages feels like right not quite maybe two and a half on a good day like
it with a smoke but it's closer to five than you are to two so that's not true
actually. I got some Farsi in here. Show me some good Farsi here. You can say anything.
They can't correct you. That's right. Anime Abokhor. All day long. That's right. It's
a little portion of the audience out there that will enjoy that. Me included. Like the
one thing I know how to say in Farsi and it's very appropriate to the broadcast. Don't worry
guys. It's not overboard. It's just not good either. Yeah. No, if you're sponsoring this
Don't worry, it was safe, you're all good.
Gollum?
Gollum for the tower!
That is how little action we've had so far.
Yeah, sometimes you do this because you're bored.
You're just itching to hit that R button, understandable.
And down it goes.
Again a deny!
No way!
Box!
Alright!
How often at 14 minutes have you been part of zero kills on Tiny
and your high-impact plays are denying towers?
Yeah.
Like, he's actually done nothing else.
He literally has not.
They're literally just farming.
But that's the thing, at this, this is sometimes what can really set apart elite level teams
from good teams, is Liquid just recognize that this is good for them.
Like, they're not, clearly not worried, they're gonna give up the roaches, well, Husker was
gonna get this eventually.
They're just, they're just happy to farm.
I feel like that's how they're gonna win this game.
So they're not gonna take any initiative unless they have to.
Now the timing for Bed Boom is coming up, they've got the Radiance on the way and Huskar is going to go Sange into Dagger, so it gets that value item on the way for Cheeper Cairn.
Not extraordinary, or rather, not uncommon, but...
Not as good as it used to be as a solo item, I'll say that, because I didn't give any status resist.
It was bonkers, I guess that's resist.
Probably the single best version of any of the swords that there's ever been was that
Saunch was better than any Yashas we've ever had and better than Kaia.
I miss the Mame.
Yeah, I kinda do too.
I think Mame was...
Nisha?
Oh.
Has a zip.
They both remember that this is a farming game, not a fighting game.
Yeah, they put a shadow on him and said, alright, everybody back to work.
Let me first fight at this rate is just gonna be tormentor. Yeah, maybe and whoever gets that
Will likely be in the driver's seat. I thought you're gonna say it's just gonna win the game
I mean, I wonder what the percent of first tormentor is versus win rate with the ratio. I'll be interesting
I mean, it's higher than 50% no doubt
You'd think it'll be funny if it was 30
There's a bunch of gold for free
You lose more often than not.
Definitely does not line up.
Okay!
Does it save?
Liquid looking for their second kill to dodge?
No.
Fits the avatar, Spoksy, now getting chased by Kiritich.
Mero joins the party, so it'll be a one for one.
This is of course the concern in a game like this is, you need to make sure your players
are well rested so you don't fall asleep during the game.
Maybe save.
How do you practice those combos for the actual fights to come?
You say it should...
Hopefully Varani had a good night's sleep.
I'll tell you, playing supports like Lion in a game like this is really boring.
You want to kill, you want to skirmish, you want to use Finger of Death, where 16 minutes in he has not cast his ulti yet.
And the only interaction he's had with an enemy hero was getting stun locked to death.
That's right.
16 so back to running in circles for a bit for you. He's supposed to dagger though
Then hopefully he'll take some initiative and take matters into his own hands because the hundred gold away
Yes, they're gonna have double dagger for the tormentor fight. It's a really strong timing to blinks house car ages
I think they should fight before the tormentor and try to make it two moves because otherwise you're just expiring your ages for farming
Yeah, true would be nice to
Thank you for Nisha now
GK will have another blink, so that's three blinks.
Ace will have a BKB by that point.
Yeah.
Tofu has the Solar Crest already.
No, but that's a good sight.
And it should be done with the mech portion of the Greaves by then.
And then of course, Mikkei, Manta should be done as well.
Do you know what you call a Crest when you cast it on Kunkka?
What?
Solar.
We're racing the bottom of the barrel shant and that is because nothing is happening that you said nice caster cursed in there
And you pick a pop of tofu. Oh, I know a teammate. Nothing actually did happen
Everybody's fine sharing a calm down only the animals are falling. Yeah, and I'm not talking about the players here
No, I'll be very insulting cross of haze unboxed. They have that vision caretich
I'm gonna close the gap, but
Everyone gets away except for the zoo. One minute on the ages.
Let's think about this on a theoretical level.
Bedboom have put 6,000 gold into three blinks and liquid have bought stats.
So the reason this is important is that if Bedboom want to win fights now,
they have to get good jumps or the heroes are just weaker.
There's the jump onto Midgate with the counter initiation and the GPK is not enough.
He has that second life before. The toss back to try to save Midgate.
now he gets some right clicks off he will fall they trade it for the ages
he should continue on he has that shield and very tanky indeed he gets one
support as Miero getting chased by Acer is it the other way around stay with a
nice impale we'll finish off the Bat Rider did Ace just go a full BKB without
using lasso sure did that's true okay well I think it's because they want to
fight Tormentor right that and they want to lasso next to SF and SF was the
target. So this was exactly what Batboom needed. You're 4k gold behind, you have your blinks,
you've got to make something happen. If you're just turning into a farm game with your blinks,
why did you buy blinks? It's good for them that they get this move and if they get the
Tormentor, the gold will effectively be down to about zero. The lead for Liquid will be
nullified, which is of course a good sign. You're going to see the replay here. It's
a really nice attempt for Boxing here to be honest, the toss back here. Maybe you could
got it earlier but the damage has largely been done. That sounded cool in slow-mo the
requiem, you know. Very demonic. And here's Ace just flying around without firefly and
he's gonna fly into Slaughter and die a little bit of a situation. I think it would have
done much better. I hope he's not feeling too unwell. Either way he'll have the
The last one for Tormentor, although we can see Beckham already in the area, looks to be
pretty good for them.
This should equalize the game.
Save.
Careful now, young man.
Careful.
Look at the shards.
So that's the upgraded, uh, Mamadrine.
It's not bad this game, actually.
It's kind of cool sometimes against Storm.
If you're draining something else, Storm can vortex you.
And then if you jump to, you can counter play.
So you can be it can be very skillful usage if you clutch with this where you are like I'm anticipating storm is about to jump me
I'm gonna monitor in he jumps you he can't pull you and then you can hex him
but uh
Not easy to pull off
And that's of course after you've already used your blink because otherwise you'd be outside the fight waiting and then blinking in
So a little bit of a hypothetical. We'll see if it comes to
comes into play or not. Speaking of Nisha almost has the BKB now on Storm. So again it's a game of
efficient gold versus initiation gold. Will you ever get to see the other fast hit on Abaddon?
I don't know if I've seen it in a pro game as of late. There wasn't a there was a scene it at any
point. Okay maybe not. Okay I haven't seen it in a pro game as of late I've seen it in more
games as of late being used as like an experiment with collectory the other one
yeah I could be with like the eventual conda right if conda is good that game
I mean it has some potential but I think it's just like really specific so it's
hard to recognize that I think speaking of breaks liquid could really use one
but yep nobody I mean who would buy it silver and some Chattopine okay they're
they're gonna buy that later
no doubt
uh... it'll be a while though
he needs other items on the way he's gonna last though
he's on the bike and he can be condolesto think about it
hmm
how about condo penitence
how yeah
that's my kind of chin belts
larar with this
uh... what's that excuse me crimson guard was about to call the crest
it will be weird if you bought that
solar guard
why do you call it solar
sounds weird when you say it
doesn't sound weird when I say it
Solargo
that's what we need
the double solar for him
and back to
chillin I suppose which liquid as we said has been better at farming so it feels
like the pressure is on bedroom to do something
perhaps just waiting for the next rush which is a minute away
Place your bet. Who gets the 10th kill of the game? Which hero?
Which hero?
I'm going to say Sladar.
Are you saying it wrong on purpose because of the solar?
Of course.
Well, sometimes you call him, Slax calls him Sladar.
He does. Slax just mispronounces things. You think it's on purpose? It's not.
He's just dumb. He's just an idiot.
And Sladar is one of them.
It's always good to...
It's caught on though, I actually enjoy Sledar.
Yeah, I mean it's good when he's not here to defend himself, you can just go to town,
you know?
Yeah.
I'm gonna say, next kill goes to Storm.
If I'm right, you owe me a Sledar.
Okay, I don't know what that means.
Nope.
Swedish for dinner.
No, I'm not betting dinner on this.
I'm not gonna 50-50 Sledar, which I guess this isn't really a 50-50.
It's not even remotely close to 50-50.
It's highly likely we're both wrong.
Very much so.
As usual.
It's gonna be Cat to Omi, probably.
That's the least likely one, I think.
Which would be funny.
Alright, there's some action pop.
Oh, Fiero jumping in, gets the crush on your choice.
Nisha pops the BKB though.
Here's his stability.
They are all grouped up.
Nisha getting electric vortex.
Autism!
Autism!
He can't finish it.
The Crimson is too much.
gets off his ult at the last moment, it was save that fell.
And now the action, Keratid shifts up flying all of this right click damage to Mikae.
Triple kill for the Radiance Abbey, 3-4-1.
And that is not the result I was expecting when you jumped the storm like that and get nothing out of it.
Oh, Visha's at.
Yeah, they could even run him down here.
It's a little bit over today.
Oh, is he actually juicing?
Orc could apply it now.
You know, just needs a crush.
One more zip for the road, and they're not going to chase any further, preventing such thoughts from occurring.
That was a special fight. Warlock was channeling upheaval of the entirety of the fight from the low ground after casting his stuff.
Slaughter a reset position, getting out, but as you pointed out, the Crimson Guard, they're actually massively important.
Keeping save alive for that much longer. You're going to see the replay here, so keep your eye on it.
So first they get the jump on Storm, they use finger and everything, and don't even get remotely close.
Such a good toss, but I thought this was going to be terrible.
On the side of Bedboom with Lion dropping this low.
He can't finish him though because of the Crimson.
And now Nisha has to turn around and finally jump him down there.
In the meantime Fatal Bond's going to work.
And Kiritich...
This is not a matchup Shadowfiend enjoys right now.
It's a carry who can just run at him and fight him head on.
And you're not coming out ahead.
I think he visibly moderately frustrated.
but not in the tilt area just yet, not really a tilted player to begin with.
No, very calm.
Although this could get you there,
Manta styling into being stuck in trees is not annoying.
Here comes Ace, Ace, fail to burn the trees.
Wait, what?
Oh, he had a...
He had a horsey. It's fine.
Wait, so why did he have to burn him out then?
Maybe he can ask them?
Oh, I think he horsied in, tried to Manta out and fail.
I don't even know how that was possible.
Congratulations, Mickey, on the once-in-a-lifetime play.
But he's out again.
Second roach, so...
That's the pike. Big item.
I guess I can get out of it.
This is a massive, massive item for this future Shadow Team.
Here comes...
Yeah, so his Firefly ended.
Mickey's like, why are you helping me?
I already have tumblers, probably.
I thought Ace was stuck there for a second as well.
Enjoying themselves.
Ace made the mistake of laughing.
that is going to involve the cloth.
Careful.
So now that you have Pyke on SF, you have solid counterplay against Huskar, Abed and Antsvater.
It is a mandatory item on SF this game, I would say.
But the next buildup is when it gets interesting.
So he's currently queuing up Butterfly.
I thought maybe BKB would be on the menu here, but...
Oh.
Okay, find some stuff. A little chin.
Camaro's there.
That's an easy one.
Drain all those creeps.
So satisfying.
Plenty of time on the Aegis.
Tier 2 Tower is gonna likely fall,
as there's no reason to prevent them to back away now.
Left-horn on the way for Puritich.
This is starting to look more and more comfortable for them.
Put the second Rosh in hand for 3 minutes,
and these item timings.
And the inability for Liquid to really string anything together in fights,
The fight's just teamingly having damage issues, or doing a good job pressing whatever advantage
they can.
Here it's a... getting that tower now.
Roll ahead on the net worth at this point, and as you said, the bloodthorn.
A massive damage increase.
Also interesting, together with Buscar, who has so good attack speed, actually has so
much kill power, his boxy will be taken out here by Miero.
Ace?
He's fine, he's very, very fast.
Oh, GPK did go for the Ags.
Yeah, he's probably just going to jump Shadowfiend every fight, I would imagine.
Shadowfiend or...
He skipped it. BKB then. She changes my response.
Yeah, it's okay for now when you have the...
Another Golem for Tower? Okay.
Objective base gaming for Betboom.
Well, can you blame them? If Liquid aren't going to punish it, then why not?
They haven't shown the any interest in punishing cooldowns so but the downside is you don't have it if you want
Yeah, I mean they would have gotten this tower anyway, wouldn't they? I think so too
Feels a little unnecessary. Yeah, but again like look he's afk now on warlock. I think he's just really bored
Maybe he's gonna go and make a cup of coffee. He's genuinely been standing still microing his colon for 30 seconds now
I moved to zero. I don't think I've seen that
I've seen it in herald matches
That's one of those guests, the MMR. If you sent the clip of Warlock using his Golem there and standing still on his hero and playing the Golem, that's either side of the bell curve, apparently.
Apparently, yeah.
Wisdoms? Plenty.
To the bedroom side.
Yeah. Next Tormentor in a couple minutes, so we'll see if that's a contesting point. Contestion point? Contestion?
Contention.
Contention. That's right.
Congestion point.
See if they get some digestion issues at the tormentor soon enough.
So with these Wisdoms, Keratich is going to hit a very fast level 20 here.
And as much as we talk about the Wisdoms being mostly important for the first and second one,
because you know, the first one is about you get sixes on your supports. That's why it's the most important.
Getting old tees is very important. The second one, generally second most valuable because
the later levels most of the time feel less impactful than the early ones.
It comes with the asterisk. If you hit a breaking point of important talent,
all of a sudden the later ones can be very nice. And that happened now for Kiritich.
He also got the level 15 on Lyon, so lower cooldown on Hex will be very handy for save.
20 seconds on Aegis. Which means Bethune. We want to fight now, but I don't have the second life.
Yeah, I don't understand Dota sometimes. Let's go.
In he goes.
Right into Nisha and company. Oh, the inner fight actually missed his. Taking a lot of damage.
He still had the Aegis, it's gonna be close, yes!
Life number one, and if they waited a bit, they could have actually screwed him over.
Bash on the Nisha.
Did you check how many seconds were left at that moment?
I think it was like three or four.
It is hard to ignore a Huskar.
Yeah, it's kind of tough.
I don't know if they were wary of the timing, but nothing's really gonna come from that.
Nisha used his BKB, and Huskar used his Aegis, and that's it.
Now with a gem on Keratich, feeling very confident that Liquid will struggle to kill him even once, and I agree with that.
It's definitely not easy.
So again, tour me.
Bed-boom.
Yep.
They shall get it for free.
Yep.
Liquid just uh...
Yep.
Somewhat content with this.
Yep, situation, which...
Maybe they should be, I don't know.
Yep.
Definitely the strangest game we've cast, I think.
Yep.
Strange in a different way.
GPK with the shard.
Yep.
You okay there?
Yep.
Okay.
What was the game we cast yesterday that was strange?
Yep.
I don't remember.
something really weird that happened it was the was it one of the short games
it was the og game where they were up by 5k super early oh I say that was yeah
they were up by 5k and then they lost by 2k gpm yeah that was that game right
yeah yeah that was not pretty alright what's it gonna be both teams anybody
fancy some action. And Silveredge still not on the horizon for Mickey. It'll be
Daedalus next. Yeah, maybe he just, I mean... Actually, I guess his Butterfly is
being delivered? Yeah, he has the Butterfly coming out now. I'm wondering...
Like there's different ways of looking at this, right? The Silveredge, if you have
the break and you take the initiative and you kill a hero, it's a great way to
start the fight. If you're playing under the assumption that Betboom will be
running into you, you just want staying power, which is where butterflies good.
And maybe he feels like, well, if I go satanic now, my build is too defensive and we need
damage.
So I get it.
It's just, it's interesting to see the atomizations of this game.
And also from the side of Betboom, how little pressure they seemingly feel to use their
blinks.
Like they got a couple of kills and a couple of objectives, but they don't really seem
like they think they can get much more out of them.
They're playing with four daggers and
Kind of not making any aggressive smoke maneuvers. I mean I will have multiple smoke
The the game length has increased as the tournament has gone on. Yeah, the games haven't been like this. This is no a unique one
Hopefully an anomaly. Yeah
So can I call the way for GPK now
So he's not want to finish as an alive. Okay. No
Nope. Yeah, he's finally going to finish us in life.
Okay, this is a bigger timing now.
For him, why not, uh, why not BKB this game?
I guess if you're not fighting.
Yeah, I mean, first of all.
It looks like a really good, other than the last though, obviously.
It's very nice against Tiny and Storm to have.
But perhaps he's just counting on the fact that if I'm tanking BK, he's going to get jumped,
Put them to the test.
Yes, we will.
Chivas' prop gets off the inner fire, immediately dies upon life break.
Stave will fall to ace as well.
Boxing getting hammered by Miero, but Miero getting chased by the entirety of Liquid.
And just like that, it's a three for Nada.
That's how they get you.
30 seconds for Roche as well, so if they scout it out, they can take that one for free.
After 33 minutes, Liquid go, haha, we were only pretending.
We just needed four items each.
And we now have entered the game, we have a plan.
We have a timing and we're gonna play it
and we're gonna jump you when you least expect it.
That's honestly in games like this,
a challenge I think even at the highest level.
It's very hard to stay on top all the time.
That's how fast they go to roll.
You slip up at any point in these like kind of games
where you just get lulled into a false feeling of security.
All of a sudden, liquid compounds in you and do that.
And they take-
They will go for Roshan.
A meaningful lead now for the first time in a long time,
getting the Roche.
Katoomi with another Golem for pushing.
This one makes a little more sense than the past.
I don't think I've ever seen this. That's three Golems for towers.
Yep. That's so crazy.
Alright, well, but the benefit of having Huskar in your game on the enemy team,
it means this is third Roche.
Yeah, so Refresher Shard now along with the Cheese Aegis.
Maybe that was liquids playing all along they can have the first two and do the work for us
And then the one that's really good and that one will get I guess double lasso
Yeah double lasso cheese on storm obviously godlike hero for that
SF the data list soon on the way
They're looking for more they quit
Yeah, Mikkei, he's run into Stylus to start things out, and he should get hexed though.
Kiritich applying as much damage as he can, it's not nearly enough, as Miiro just melts
in the midst of all of this.
Kiritich, as old finally goes off as the trait comes out for a boxy, buyback from Miiro immediately.
GPK gets deleted by Mikkei, double kill for the Shadowfiend.
As Miiro has to be very careful, that's Lasso again, and that is a dieback for the off-laner
of Bedboo.
Was that the two last those?
Yeah, it sure was.
Oh man.
Is that just... are they just going to get two sides now or what?
Like as long as they're for 90 you lose, you use no ages and no cheese.
It feels like they just played quietly and calmly for 30 minutes and they were like,
okay let's win.
And that's what's happening.
Two big jumps, two great moves from liquid back to back, going from a 3K deficit to now
10k lead in the manner of two minutes. They have a fortify they will not use it
there. I guess there is a Roche banner but okay they're gonna try to go for
throne and I can't blame them like you said 60 seconds of no slaughter and
Mickey hits like an absolute truck still has the second life they don't want to
refresh well I would say they don't want to refresh the fortification but they
never used it still available here still not being used melee racks will
eventually fall, which would have refreshed it, I don't understand what's happening right now.
Tier 4 will drop as well. Ancient fully exposed. Kiritish jumps in, focusing on the Shaddafi,
but again, he has a second life to work with. Nisha, focusing on the supports in the meantime.
Tofu, getting burnt to a crisp, gets forced back to the right side though. Kiritish in a lot of
trouble. Has to borrow time though. Now, right-clicking, fish. The Storm Spirit pops the cheese though,
And now Nisha at full HP, and still they get that Hustar, but Golem actually used on heroes this time
to no avail. And now the Ancient, like we said, fully exposed, they still have this fortification.
Will they use it at any point? Do you remember that there is a button that makes your buildings
invulnerable? No. They're gonna get the kill onto the Abaddon. Still do not fortify. They refuse
to use that button, saving it for game two.
What the fuck was that?
Actually, really bizarre experience watching that game, I'll be honest.
You had two! Two fortifications!
You had two fortifications, you had two Aegis's that you barely used for anything.
Liquid hit one timing, so, okay.
I'm very curious about Quinn's take on this, because this is the problem that I sometimes have with Puskar,
which is, if you pick this hero last, you get all the information of the enemy team,
Like this you see the vision of how you're gonna do it if you get these two ages, and you can't use them for anything
I think don't pick the hero like what was the point?
I think they didn't try to press their advantage
They didn't try to exploit liquids moment of weakness they kind of just wrote it out
Yeah, we'll farm and they could say we'll farm too and at 30 minutes will make one singular move that is more
Impactful than anything you've done the rest of the game and we'll win in two minutes. That was that was something else
That was
This was a game of Dota
Technically, it felt like a game of patience and Liquid won.
Shaver, what the hell?
I am fully in agreement with Simic, but I hope that Quinn would tell us what happened.
I mean, to be honest, Liquid's heroes are just better as more time passes.
This is a classic case of one turret versus no turret.
These games, whenever the turret team is fine and they're chilling and the game is progressing,
Eventually if you've got enough heroes to protect you kind of just hit everyone in the head as they run at you
And they just can't kill you fast enough to stop you from hitting them as they run in and Chadapine just at some point
It's just a big loss of the game. They gave it on second phase
Will sauce and it comes to bike eventually and that he just farms for a long time
So he gets low game and he hits them in the head and they lose and these early in mid game fights like this one
Nisha's turn on each of Mickey spends a lot of the fight running away and that's like there's like this
Critical mass threshold that you're talking about with these turret heroes. They're allowed to stand there hitting you or they're not
And once you go over that, it does feel like it's possible to beat them in the mud.
It feels like that's effectively what happened here, and it is binary in the sense of like,
is he able to stand his ground or not? And if he is, he kills everybody,
but not, he spends the whole fight running, which, that move did a great job early in the game of
preventing that from happening. They were focusing Miki every single fight, but eventually, I think
that just really shows up in like the chin farm and stuff like this. You just have those extra
items, extra net worth, the third spell of chin that gives them the extra armor. It just adds up a
a lot with a hero like Slardar, kind of negates him entirely.
I don't remember what order it was picked.
Like, I don't know.
Chen was a 23 or 24.
He was there.
Ken was later on.
He was the last over.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, because I was about to say I'm like, you would avoid picking Slardar into Chen
for that exact reason.
Okay.
Yeah, I think the storm is also kind of interesting too, because it meant that if they have the
better carry matchups, if they have the better turret, and they have the best jumper here
on the game, who can both give vision, escape, and initiate while also doing damage, it kind
of gave them like everything they needed.
And it was hard for their opponents to pick the same thing because they picked Tiny Storm.
They could have flexed it to mid and been like, okay, any of your jump heroes we can deal with.
So they like, dissuaded it, kept the Tiny in the game, still got the good Storm,
and had the best carry hero matchup, which kind of all lined up nicely.
Yeah, I mean, in some ways I'd say it's actually not a bad sign for Beppum.
This game was as close as it was for as long as it was because I think Liquid Draft is way easier to play.
I think they just generally have better heroes if you look at the power level of these heroes.
And the game lasted a while, Beppum was ahead for a lot of it.
And they're also playing Huskar Hero, they're not super comfortable on, and is a pretty
high execution hero on like a grander scale if you're not like a Mauryan or a Maura type
player who's super comfortable on it.
So I honestly think this game is not that bad of a sign for them considering I think
they're relatively heavy underdogs coming into this series.
So like I think there's hope for game two if they just get, I really think this team
needs ease of execution.
I think especially when you're on like down low, you're not clicking really well as a
team, you need to make it easy for yourself and they did not make it easy for themselves
to get.
I came through like the only team that had to play tiebreaker see to get here and it was it was pretty tight
Pretty close anyway, so they are I would say the lowest seeded teams. Yeah, I agree
My question is that do you think a baton is so you see the first pick bat and I'm just thinking other than a baton
It's an insanely good bad game, and I'm wondering if you think it's like an appropriate like it's a sufficient
Counter so here like bat writer to remove his lasso later
I think he's more of a map like farming hero that creates issues that way. Yeah, I mean I'd agree
I think it's weird
I think people actually haven't figured this hero out yet
And I think heroes that are first pick like this like I think if you fast forward a month that will not be first pick anymore
Even if he's not changed potentially just because people will figure it out
Yeah, like the hero is being played in a way that hasn't been played like in a long time
Which is he doesn't care about blinker like he's literally just buying or isn't running around and cutting waves and being fast and
The way you play against that the heroes you pick against that the lineup you craft
It's all very different to playing against a blink that writer or support about writer
And so people just it takes a little bit for the memory to kick in from years past of when that was last like this
What do we think against it? Like they just don't have the muscle memory yet
Yeah, I was just thinking like if you replace that warlock with a disruptor for instance
I feel like ace has a way worse game. Yeah, you actually like it allows like a huskar
Or in a bad end to kill him on the map. No, I in the first 15 minutes like it just felt like
Like the pressure from the Huskar, like I'm with you, I'm impressed that Beppu managed
to turn that start into such like a competitive mid game because Ace was just allowed to do
whatever the hell he wanted and they got a wash out of it.
And it makes it difficult, but like to target people, but that's it.
And after that wash, it eventually led into the team fight moments that I would love to
show.
Oh, absolutely.
You saw him, we'll see him again.
That was great.
Let's play it again.
Is that what I said?
I don't know.
And look at this, they found a Huskar, they got the-
That was sick.
What seed?
Exactly.
That was the K.Wasik.
The Shadowfiend here gets a turret.
He's standing still this entire fight because they killed the Huskar immediately.
There was no damage threat against him when he's got BKB going.
This was the second fight of the game that basically sealed the deal.
They jumped, there's even a nice hex.
On the Storm Steer, there's a good fatal bounce, but once BKB's depressed, they have
a Lotus on him as well.
Then it's basically just the turret guy sitting in the back hitting either Huskar or the Abaddon.
He's just not super threatened against these heroes, especially with the worst two hits
uphill to blow up the line full to 0 HP and even Miero the slaughter, he's going to die
to this.
Even with the armor bonus this, he's got crimson, he's got a plate melee and armor
bonus from his Feeborn Sentinel.
Guy can't stand up to the Shadowfiend.
The Shadowfiend has so much damage, has minus armor, that's without his items.
So it's hard to compete against them.
But that's how they compete.
The way they did.
I want to do it again.
It's purge.
You're welcome.
they were able to end and like, okay, you know what, game over.
Like, and at that point, I mean, obviously,
Sans Finacin were pretty upset about it.
There was no fortification, but at that point,
I think Bedbo was kind of new.
Or do you feel like they should have?
I think it's kind of cool.
I think we've also heard this team in particular,
like, same as when the game's over,
just like, let it end, whatever.
Like, in officials, not in pubs,
in pubs is funny, I think he tries longer
than just an official, but Bedbo was the team
that historically will do like 20 minute GGs.
If they're getting stopped, they're just like,
oh, whatever, go next.
I've got a theory about that.
Maybe his pubs are him calibrating a game being winnable or not.
Yeah, he's calibrating it, so his pubs,
he has to have somewhere that he's allowed to let it be tested.
I think that's a good point.
And then in the pro games, it's just like,
well, if it was over in a pub, it's like, almost certainly,
like they're not going to mess up in a pro game, so just end it.
Well, they did end it slick with this.
That is, though they're, so they're one game up,
and we're going to find out what's happening in game number two
after a break.
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Oh, oh, yeah, this is right, we were doing a dotage.
Bed Boom, Liquid.
It's one up for Liquid and I think nobody was really surprised about the outcome of the
game.
I just want to see a little bit more oomph from Bed Boom in game two even if they might
now win this series.
I do believe, I do believe we've seen them play better, but...
Yeah, I think they just need to find themselves a little bit, and I think it's one of those things where you just need the reps, you need the games,
and it's unfortunate because you're in a group stage that every game matters if you want to get to that top four and go to the playoffs, so...
they don't have a long time to figure it out, but you do need to just keep learning from your mistakes, and figure out what works for you,
because I think they just don't know quite what works for them yet. We've seen, like you said, strokes, I think, of great potential,
But it's just individual strokes and a whole painting
Not a whole painting. They don't do the whole picture yet
I think it was KJ that was talking about I did a piece nice
KJ in an interview talked about how he
Because because he wrote was obviously doing better and better and the somebody was asked like you know
Why isn't it not clicking and he said well, it's like a first date
You got you got your flowers picked out you got the look at you got the restaurant
You got, you know, you got all the pieces set, the board is set.
You just gotta, you just gotta close it out.
And then, and then he was describing how they weren't there yet.
But maybe that's the same style for Beto, where they have all the pieces.
They just haven't figured out yet how to make them all come together.
In their defense, they made it through a really tough group stage one,
and now they're playing against the A-Best teams in the world.
Yes.
So, if they're just here playing these matches, that's going to do a lot for them getting better.
I hope that they're looking at it as a
We are trying to improve not a like we're mad that we're not top three right now
Because otherwise you're gonna be something they've been happening. Yeah, you're gonna be disappointed
This is this is a team that has had a decent like enough roster spots recently. It feels like they're
Switching back and forth and neither is quite working. Well
Yeah, I guess it's only serious too and they are because team liquid who has been on on a hot streak
You know, they literally won the most recent LAN finals. So
So, potentially we should cut the slack for that as well, but we still all expect them
to have a little bit of better showing.
Here we go with game number two, with the Bands already out.
Liquid is the one to remove the Batrider from the pool this time around.
Yeah, they are second pick, so not interested in playing as that hero.
They, I think they think that hero is super broken.
They first pick it any time they get the chance over maybe literally anything else.
So, they clearly don't think there's an answer to it.
Well, they have first pick, but I'm smoking crack, wait, what?
has second pick. Okay, the text must be wrong. The text is wrong. So we're just still figuring
out who's on which side just like you are, because we obviously see the second pick team.
I can only imagine that it's BedBoom on Dyer with first pick that all the text is. Yeah,
there you go. So BedBoom is the one that don't want to play against Batrider again, but they
also don't want to pick it themselves. Yeah, that's always a bad sign. I think in longer
series whenever you don't want to play against a hero but you also won't play a
hero that is not great for a start of the draft. Big disadvantage. Team Liquid goes
for a hero that can go Tototou with Shadowfiend in some ways. You have a lot
of single target damage which you need to be able to out damage him. You can
disable him and you can also avoid dying completely by using windruns. So this
gives them some option here as a way to go Tototou with SF. They could also
will flex like this too if they could play support one ranger if they really desire.
Yeah, I think they're also, we've seen Boxy play a lot of melee heroes, we've seen 12
1-box you swap between the lanes they're playing so having a ranged carry I think fits their
style very nicely because they like having one melee support and one ranged support in
quite a few other games so it also fits into the structure of the way they've been drafting
quite a bit.
Let's see, second phase Bands, more respect coming out, with the Chen removed from the
pool on the side of that boom.
Let's see which one, which one, other one they'll go for, I'm curious if they'll go
for another, no they'll just straight up go for the Tusk.
Don't want to deal with that.
The Tusk one Andrew is pretty sick actually.
Take team damage to the squad boxies toss gets so much done typically. I like the man
It does look correct if you need me to judge something let me know I'm a cool judge your laser judge my posture
It's not good
No, the yellow doesn't continue doesn't it doesn't it look like the yellow should continue?
It just there's a star that matches here, and I
Don't know if the yellow I mean it's too hard for me to tell them this angle and it is at one with a four piece
So it won't be too surprising is that one, but I'll leave it here. Okay
It's a difficult puzzle team. They they met they
actually made it extra difficult by having a
Relatively low quality cut so it's nice and hard to see which pieces connect. That's how they did it
Yeah, it's just giving us a little bit of a challenge, you know otherwise. It's too easy
Don't you like dial up the challenge of not just how many pieces but like how hard the puzzle is that way?
me. Sure. Why not? You know, you're doing an all way puzzle or you do every single piece,
the exact same size, meaning you don't know if it's correct. Other than the picture. Wow.
That would be fun. Largo also fun. Actually, you know what? 50 50 win rate about ish, slightly
higher on the on the losses there. How we got to deal with that on the side of bedroom
because we've seen Largo on Ace before, and it is pretty darn good.
I remember I think Shadowfiend is already pretty good against it.
You want high damage against Largo, you want something cut through to heal,
and SF most certainly can do that.
I think you should have a good lane against Largo as well,
assuming he has a strong support.
So I think Liquid is just picking this because Strong Hero farms fast.
It's like a tanky dude.
I think there's some good synergy with Winranger.
But at the same time, I don't think it's this pick is the end of the world.
I think they definitely have responses.
I'm taking my time to think about it.
That being said, I didn't use that much bonus time yet before this, so they're fine.
We've seen a lot of teams trying out and failing, picking edge of operation against it.
But then you've got an A shadow fiend lane, and that doesn't sound great.
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree.
Double, double squishy bros, not a great start, good draft.
You still have clockwork in the pool.
That could be something that works out.
has been pretty hot as well how great one here all day but very different opinions
and whether it should be played as a four or five
whoa it was a great joke
your guys it wasn't me that pressed the boob on no it's a it's a Brian has full
control over that at the bottom he is the senate I don't know Birdman's okay I
think it's okay which out of him I hate for Phoenix for Phoenix is terrible it
looks like it will be five so that's good but this is a weird trio of heroes I
will say generally all these heroes want someone to help them set something up
and not have any set up so it's sort of three dudes who want to help her and no
helpers and he's a lot of pressure on whoever's gonna be offing right cuz he's
just got to do it all.
Yeah, I would say so.
I feel like the most obvious pick that Bebum wants is Mars, to me, because it helps.
It stops Windranger from moving, obviously, pre-BKB, and it is a gank setup stun.
It's because the Bebum heroes have really good area damage and debuff, but they need
to keep somebody in place to allow us to have the channel's ulti, to do a stun rain and
protect the egg, and for more to do repeated silences.
I feel like that's the obvious pick that Bebum goes for.
team look was not likely to grab it either, because they probably have their offline,
so let's find a me for Beppin right now, other than like having to rely on SF to start fights
or Mars or whatever offline to pick.
Yeah, makes sense.
If you guys are already saying that Largo is going to not have the greatest lane against
Shadowfiend and Phoenix, is there a world where they relegate it to support or is that
out?
You can, it just seems weaker.
And then steal the Mars, that was my follow-up sentence, but...
I believe you.
Yeah.
They do steal the Mars, but Mars can be made as well, so they could have gone for that either way.
I do not want to see Anisha Mars, I'll be straight up about that.
That is a waste of potential, putting them on spear, man.
That's for Dark Magoo only.
Well, do you want to see Largo support?
Yeah, that's fine.
That seems fine.
They flexed Tofu and Ace on Largo before.
Yeah, so do you think it's good though?
I'm not saying they won't be comfortable doing it.
Um, I mean, probably fine.
I like it's a melee with range in the safe lane.
You have Largo, Winter Ranger.
All right, you buy some like glimmers and stuff.
It'd be fine.
OK.
I feel like the Largo cores, like I feel like it started as a flex.
And yeah, if you see the like, I actually think the Mars pick was so good
with Bebboom's draft that they're effectively, they're not like derailing their own draft,
they're flexing the Largo for the sake of denying the Mars.
Yep.
Can we call it a light derail?
A light derail.
Sure, a soft derail.
To stop the Udemy team from derailing your entire track.
Yes, the soft prevention of a derail.
But yeah, it's fine.
They can easily go for that.
They have to be able to do that in the past.
They sabotaged too much of their own.
We'll have to wait and see.
But that does mean that bedroom is a little bit of a pickle
because what off-laners are less than the pool that could do that?
And Nigma puts everybody in a ball!
I mean, a circle.
He does do that.
He does.
So it...
The sphere, actually.
It's a three-dimensional object.
Is it?
No, it's not high.
It's only flat.
Do you think gravity only pulls into two-dimensional surface?
This is not a lower question.
But it's not a circle.
OK.
OK, so Io's willowish.
That's the sphere and they make it to be a sphere enigma circle on the ground
Black hole might have a z-axis actually like if you get taught you I don't think you can get tossed above black hole. Can you?
Probably not. There's a black hole here and you get tossed over as code as a cone, right? It's gonna I feel like it is
Probably not flat, but it's not a sphere
Or is it maybe this look back to it's iconic
The upside is that Windranger and Largo don't have the most incredible AoE, and that means it's going to be hard for them to kill add-ons unless they all get shackled together and right-click down, but I assume it's going to be fine for Beppin.
The downside is that this is not really an initiating offlaner. It's more of a buy-or-as-become-tanky front-line a little bit offlaner, so that initiation problem we talked about before, it's not solved yet, and it's going to have to be solved by their midlaner.
You can also lick Malifas off, so like your kill threat in lane is kind of crap.
And I feel like the bouncy frogs might be good against the Idle Ones.
Like when your shackles them, start shooting each of the bouncy frogs on them to kill all the Idle Ones.
Might be okay, yeah.
Like I've never, I've genuinely never seen Largo against an England lane.
But it is quadruple ranged heroes, and I do not like the sound of that.
They do have high magic resistance, so maybe they'll survive and fine,
but yeah, the disable with the right click, maybe that's good enough.
So, Bed Boom is ahead in their bet. They have the puck and the gyro removed, so two different
rolls. If you are going to try to disrupt your enemy draft, could they pick up a Rubik
and put the Mars mid and Largo still offline? That way we get to see Rubik, and I think
everybody would like to see that. Do it for the fans.
It's an okay Rubik game. It's just, I don't think Enigma is as much of like a black hole
is king hero anymore with the auras and like helmet dominator or whatever other build you go
it's not so much about stopping the bkb blink black hole it's about other things it's possibility
i guess there's not that many other cool things to steal either way so maybe that's that would be
of course the sole reason for not going for rubik there's no other reason whatsoever that's sarcasm
so we got kez and a tiny removed by team liquid and it's bedroom that has to pick right now so
So they're going to have to reveal how they're going to do things and what kind of mid-laner
they want to go for.
GPK just got out of his chair so either they decide it or he has no agency.
Ori has enigma.
Ori has an emergency.
Do you need to quickpea Templar assassin?
Shadowfiend, I guess this is why.
This is five ranged heroes.
DOS Info Bolton.
And it's Shadowfiend and TA together which is a little interesting.
I mean they're going to go spell cast ESF clearly.
Ranger was kind of a counter to SF mid for a bit there because you can't have B minimal and slow 2-4 raises as much
I don't know if that matters as much now, but I
Just feel like liquids draft looks way more well rounded. I'm totally down with like the Largo support at this point
Yeah, I agree. I feel like that boom went the complete opposite direction of last game
Which was we felt like you know some more some more ease of execution would be nice in this game
They went full we need to stop lanes and snowball the game which
It's potentially possible, like TA is very good against Mars in both in lane and the
game and Phoenix should be pretty good there too, that's a sniper, holy beast.
This is an amazing sniper game, who on earth can get him?
Who can get him?
Linkdagger and Nigma, Linkdagger and Shadowfiend, Phoenix diving to the back of actually, Nisha's
smile actually said it all there as well.
They're all smiling.
I've never seen them smile this much after draft in my life.
What the heck?
I mean yesterday we were thinking about what hero got ganked in the photo and we're just like what hero is inherently funny
Yeah, it's just a snipe. That's sniper for sure. I mean, that's I
Is there something funnier than a free sniper game?
When you're a mid laner, it's really fun. Yeah, it's really fun. I thought that's why they're smiling. I
Love sniper
Yeah, that's my analysis
I feel like this game like thinking about sniper is that here was kind of sucks
So, even though it's a great sniper game, he does suck.
That being said, I think Liquid's draft makes way more sense.
I bet Liquid's draft is kind of full in on, we're going to snowball you, and if they
don't, they're going to have some major problems.
And it's Sniper protected by Mars Arena.
It's Mars Arena against five Rangers, two of which are extremely right-click focused,
so like, they have a lot of good things in Liquid draft that make it on paper look solid,
like really, really solid.
I feel like they're going to be able to play it better, and it makes more sense.
And I had a very strong question quick question. What about the TA and SF?
How do we... I've been told SF mid is no longer a thing, but now it is a thing in this game.
How do we feel about that?
We see it sometimes. It's not necessarily amazing. It's like a pivot basically.
They're just watching me fail with these pieces. They zoomed in on it.
I need bunny. There's a panty bunny in the pictures.
Puzzling is hard work when they get to the middle.
Look, this is a bunny, Brian, isn't it?
That looks like a cat, I think.
Oh, it's a bunny. Look, because I got ears already.
Bunny. Oh, that is a bunny.
The face kind of looked like a cat.
Sure. Yeah, good.
You're right.
I was given limited context.
So we feel like with this sniper over all last week,
Lickard kind of got it in the bag.
Yeah, I'd say it's like in the bag over their shoulder
on the way to the river.
And they must have trucked them into the river in the bag.
They have a lot of minus armor on the draft though, the SFTA is sort of good in that way, so buy armor and then they'll survive.
Okay, and Perk's giving us a couple silver linings that Bedroom can really pull,
and let's see if they manage to pull through to a third game, or if Team Liquid will just take this one, two, and oh.
We're heading over to Cinder in a sub-spot.
Oh, yeah! That's your kind of music, sir! Yeah! Roar into the mic! Belch into the mic!
Oh wait, you're incapable of that.
Liquid, Burt through the BatBoom, game two.
Some crazy aspects, I have to say.
I love it.
Shadowfiend is playing mid.
Largo is support, which is to be the first time that we've cast a support Largo.
Sniper mid.
What in the hell, Cinder?
You think BatBoom remembers that there's a fortification? We'll see this game.
It's a good sniper game, though.
You know the key thing for sniper in a very simple terms is can people get on top of you and the answer in this game is kind of no
Like there's no inherent obvious jumper
TA can buy a blink, but you will have pike and grenade and they the only stun they have is
Malifas yep, and black hole. I guess you want to call that a stun. It is a stun. Yeah
It's technically called something else what's they say when you're getting sucked into black hole
It's like, you know, the Deep of Bar over here.
It doesn't say stunned.
It says something else.
I don't know if it says hypnotized or whatever.
Doesn't matter, though.
It's a stun.
They have level 25 bash for meld strike.
True.
That's a stun.
And then, of course, basher on where to.
I'm curious to see how the lane goes.
I actually don't know how SF versus Sniper goes nowadays,
in general, so I don't really know what to expect.
I feel like SF should be doing quite well in the beginning and therefore also subsequently
because when you get fast level 3 and get the first CS you can just keep farming with
your damage advantage.
Which facet?
Nisha took ghillie suit, right?
No, scatter shot.
No, it's just scatter shot.
Interesting, because you had ghillie suit selected the most of the time I think in pregame.
So it did end up going for the more bursty damage ability here on Trapno.
direct answer to SF perhaps? To just be able to try to kill him in lane? Yeah, maybe.
Since it's a mid-lane Shadowfiend, it's the Shadowmire faster. Yep, the Raze is slow.
You're Myron? Yeah.
So, I mean, he's definitely, I assume, going Spellcaster build, right?
I think if he goes right-click, it's kind of a big mistake in my eyes. I don't think you can go
go right click SF with TA. I think you have no playmaking, no pacing.
Right. So...
To not do the same thing.
Yeah, so the casting SF is generally Kayayasha and Blink, obviously with some boots beforehand.
And then it's between AX and BKB most of the time. I think in this game you have to play BKB
because you can't guarantee you're ulti going off whatsoever.
It's these heroes.
On the other side, you do have kind of similar archetypes in the Windrunner and Sniper.
Do you think Sniper builds anything weird or is it just traditional right click?
I mean you have options that there is a build with eggs on mid sniper. I'd love to see that
To me it's easier for liquid to go double right click with the with the cast they have around them though
They have Mars
They have Largo to keep playing songs for them and keep them happy with standing behind do damage just go in front
Whereas for the side of bedroom, I think that's my biggest problem here is whose frontline is that enigma with auras probably?
Oh man, that's some fat damage on the shrapnel, not enough though.
Come save, put a poke back.
And JPK got his water rune, so kind of almost like nothing happened with those shrapnels.
So looking quite good for Nisha though overall.
Yeah, he's winning the CS battle so far.
TP out for Boxing, actually went to base fully, so ace all along here for a bit.
We'll have to concede the Lotus, Katomion, one of his two favorite heroes.
It'd be so funny if you find out that he hates Warlock and he hates Phoenix.
Yeah.
The hero I think most about Katomis went to Wyvern, but just doesn't seem favorite at all right
now in Prodota.
I think maybe it's too situational.
You need too much information to pick it, where the problem is you want to show your supports early to give your cores good matchups, but I genuinely believe like there's a decent amount of prototagames where if you somehow could pick Wyvern late it could be a game winner, but you have to have a flex pick in order for that to even be possible then, right?
Yeah, so I'm like time to save gonna set up the frog's top. He is caught in the shackle
That means for the plot or tofu the frog man
Not sure how the frog man became a witch with a cauldron, but
The custom in the pot so support Largo we've talked about
The cookie cutter build as it were that we've been seeing for the hero as an off-laner
You don't go eggs
Bit of a remistent there from save by the way. I think he just ran the wrong way
Like he got he got licked toward the right edge of this frox dump. You should just run right
Just saying that yeah, you get paid to say that I do. Thanks, Mel
I think they could have survived it by just running the other way, but maybe a little bit of a
Inexperience on his part or just a slip up, but you don't want to run through the entire pond to get out
So for for Largo support, what do you buy here? Like I assume shard is gonna be in consideration if you don't get it from Tormentor
Yeah, I like the thing is Lotus doesn't look particularly good here. Like it's as well. Maybe it's the solar
So the difference between support and core Largo is that you're not gonna open and you're gonna die first of all
No shackles gonna delay it a bit tofu
I'm not in the silence.
Right clicks are coming though, as Kata-Omi comes from the south as well, Mikkei.
Won't be perceived much further, as Onisha actually showing up with a double.
My goodness, the damage with that is insane.
Oh, that's a good bind.
Push whack on step two, and more damage from Onisha.
Shrapnel is decimating the side of the spec boom.
That's almost good though.
He kind of needed a refill on the...
He doesn't give him any XP at the very least.
I think that's actually a good death for Mikkei.
Um, yeah, so it's the part Largo, I mean what a clean rotation from Nisha first of all, but
on support Largo obviously because you don't get enough gold, you don't go for the eggs build.
It requires a lot of net worth to make it work. You don't have the mana unless you also get the
Kaia and generally even more. That's for Tofu that he can dispel Shadowmire with a little lick.
Um, I'm expecting something like Locket Greaves perhaps.
and then or at least the lock it because as a part-largo plays a lot on the
healing I would in my experience that's generally where you want to go and then
the movespeed oh my goodness another shrapnel up frog stomps who doggy that's
two quick deaths for GPK he's good oh Nisha so far ahead even just a CS 41 and
13 she's police he's 1300 net worth ahead of shadow feed that is not great news
most for the side of Pet Boom, especially because like we looked at with their line-up,
who's going to make moves if GPK has a bad game?
Are you playing with Enigma only?
Probably.
We're going to try to see if they can deal with Ace once more.
It's the one lane currently that the side of Pet Boom are winning.
Yeah, the Ace is out farming GPK.
Yeah.
They're out farming GPK and they're losing Mars lane.
tofu is almost the same net worth as the mid laner he's losing his mid tower
minutes seven channel this is not good yeah it's not good
that boom starting out behind we've seen this a lot this tournament trying to
recapture glory days in there and it's not happening so far
What is the first item of choice going to be for you, young man?
Is this a shadow blade?
What's he making with this?
I was just thinking which way he's going to go with this.
I don't remember all the blood snuggles upgrades by heart.
Look it up.
Oh, GPK again?
Damn it.
So it's either MKB shadow blade or... or KID?
I mean, or which blade?
Okay, that's gotta be the Shadow Blade.
I think so.
First item Shadow Blade, that's such a pub item.
How about first item MKB?
That would be pretty boss.
He's rushing Silver Edge, yeah.
Interesting idea. You have insane amounts of slow.
Oh, Keratich.
There's an arena on the other side, Keratich.
is what the focus is for, a dish sniper.
Fascination coming for him, not quite enough.
Tofu, I don't think he's gonna...
Oh, the frog stomped blindly,
thrown, cancels the TP, beautifully done,
and Liquid are owning again.
I mean, this is...
They were not owning like this in Game 1.
In Game 1, it was just...
They were just quietly farming both teams.
This is a much more one-sided affair already.
If they also take the safe lane tower sub 10,
they're looking quite grim for BedBoom. They have a pretty greedy lineup.
They need a lot of time to get items. When Shadowfiend loses lane this hard,
they kind of...
Yeah, normally you'd look at this lineup and say,
okay, they have crazy Wombo combo.
Great high ground. Not that we're ready to talk about that.
Look, you're in a sniper. You can just hit from a mile away.
Yep.
GPK is gonna be spotted, gets off the requiem.
Couple raises onto Mikkei, but there is the shackle into the focus fire into the bushwhack.
Into the power shot!
GPK is just getting kited right now. Acorn shots gonna slow him down a bit as well, Mikkei.
Gonna buy this time.
Raise will miss, and the focus fire is still active.
Just playing with their food at this point.
That felt kinda desperate from GPK.
Yeah, at the same time, what happens if he does nothing?
If he just farms like everybody else, you're just going to get run over everywhere?
Yeah.
We'll be a later mural.
Goodbye.
She's lacking.
Dare I say over under 30 already, Shannon?
Dare I say that?
I would go under.
This is...
Okay, see you later, creep.
Assassinate the pine cone.
I assume Batboom got their own wisdom shrine, right?
So the reason I'm so negative for Batboom here is not only because a 4k lead of 10 minutes is obviously big, it is.
But there are lineups that can handle this.
This dire lineup needs space and time.
So if the laning stage goes this badly, your play potential is more or less solely around Enigma with his Helm of the Dominator.
And well, they tried to rotate down there with their SF and they failed.
So are they gonna try again and run their head against the wall, or are they just gonna farm?
And if they farm, then you lose all your towers.
You're losing your towers, you're losing map,
and you're losing the 20-minute objectives,
which is going to be really hard.
Kat's only having a good laugh, though.
All right, GPKs, that's something really funny.
They're all cracking up, laughing.
I mean, it's good to see they've got good morale
while getting absolutely smashed.
I guess focusing on the positives here.
Yeah, they've come a long way.
Maybe GPK says, don't worry, guys.
I bought a blood grenade.
who's going to carry me all support
i wish we would see that one time i know it's kind of happened like in a pseudo way
but if somebody is getting smashed in lane, like in a dual lane
that the other person just becomes the core
there's some games that legitimately seems like it would be the better choice
it's a very specific hero
it doesn't happen very often
Like a mini-skill version of that that I thought about a long time ago that I don't know if we've ever really seen was to give Ogre
Level 2 first in lane where the carry just gives Ogre the first wave of experience solo
So he gets to his skills immediately in lane
Right
And then the carry can take over. It's obviously not what you said, but it's like the only thing that I think could maybe be feasible like that
Oh, nice catch. Oh, that's not a good error. It's just his spear though.
They still have the damage though. They can miss all the spells they want at this point with this kind of lead.
As you heard on the panel, Sniper Bad Hero. Yep, according to Quinn.
Looks pretty trashy.
Nisha is the goat because he's owning on a bad hero.
Well, I think basically what he was saying, and I agree with, and you do as well, there's
no actual bad hero in Dota.
In the right situation, every single hero can be played, and this was just a good matchup.
It was kind of a really good smoke there.
Gonna go through the gate, it seems.
I don't even know if he was meant to be part of this anyway.
They want to go for that 14 minute wisdom.
At 13 minutes.
That's a bit early.
I'm just getting prepared. I think they're just trying to kill enigma. This doesn't seem like a
Bigger play than so but maybe considering boxy has an obs it might be a combo play where they're warding for the 14 minute as well
and
Yeah, he is spotted
And he shall die although boxy might trade his life. He does
Didn't get the wart down either so the combo play
Not really the best but still good enough. They can still just chill here if they want
Yeah, you'd think so. Takeover the triangle pretty soon as well
So food is going through the grieves
Now I'm interested to see if he I mean is shard worth it if you only have locket as a single target buff
No, you want to you want to get shard if you have solar or glimmer
Or of course Lotus, but that's very expensive to get on support
Lotus? Not that good of a Lotus game though.
No.
Not really.
Maliface and the silence from where to fire spirits.
I never concluded that with you yesterday, but I was told that.
You were right about the calling by the way.
I'm always right.
Okay.
So you claimed that the calling, it's not when you're in the ghost,
it's when they connect on you that you get silenced and that's correct.
So you can actually dispel the calling while standing in the calling
until the next ghost hits.
That's why you want to try to dodge the ghost in it.
What do you do? You just stand there like, oh, I guess I'm silenced.
No, you obviously try to dodge the ghosts.
Okay, but you were dodging them just because of the damage.
No, I thought as long as the ghost is on top of you, you're silenced.
But they just apply it when they hit you.
Effectively, your counter strategy is the same. You run away from ghost.
Ghost bad.
Ghost usually bad, yeah.
Sphere into...
Except on Nygma Galaxy, ghost was good there.
And then they kicked him.
Unfortunate. Yeah, that was their best run, Ghost.
Yeah, that's a choice that many fans don't understand.
We don't know the inner workings of the team, of course, but...
All we know is, where is Miracle?
Yeah, it's fine. Bat chest.
Well, GPK has that blink, putting it to good use here.
Yeah, he's got blink before. Oh, no.
Acorn shot, we'll hit him, cancels the blank.
Not enough, but the force rotation.
We have so many long-range spells, it is hilarious to watch.
It's like an artillery.
Foxy might be dying here, I'll get the sharp shooter, and G. Mickey gets baited to his death.
And now the egg will haul us through the double kill for Mickey.
Yeah, Liquid can kind of just do whatever.
What a disastrous game for Betboom.
The momentum has certainly carried over, and now the Roche will be liquid.
Time to play the Reds song. The Reds song of damage.
Legitimately looking at Nisha's inventory, this could have been, this was one of those Herald or Immortal type things.
Yeah. First item silver, like, but then you look at his CS minute 16 and you know it's not a Herald's game.
Unless it's Turbo.
I guess if he'd be really under farm then why does he have no items? Yeah, he does not have to buy them
That's true Herald, right? Yeah, or is there something below Herald for that?
Slacks
Thanks, yeah, thank you thought we were finally rid of you today, but you come back somehow cat's I owe me oh
It's nicely done
And now the methodical nature of liquid to take
Finger, looking good on the chicken
Excuse me?
Yeah, thank you
That's copyrighted, I'm pretty sure
Whatever, tofu?
No, it's chicken
Okay, good one
Tofu?
They definitely don't start from tofu there, Senator
It is taken out first black hole of the game
Into nothing, it's game
Rebuke, kill on GPK
Save gets a good dead shot on the niche, it's getting quite low, ATOS as well, but the load is going to heal up a good amount.
The spear onto the tree Muerta is going to fall eventually as the enigma looks to be next to the assassination.
See, they didn't even use the ATOS on Sniper.
They ate their tofu and as most would attest to, regretted it.
You don't like Tofu?
Well, I haven't given it a fair shot, if I'm being honest.
I don't like the texture for sure.
I was just gonna say, old gaming gladiators was a really shit team then, no Tofu and
Celery.
It's a pretty bad dinner, Celery of course, commonly known as the Poison of the Earth.
Celery.vegan, of course, kill on the cat, oh man.
This feels like a pub game right now.
Maybe Liquid would agree with that. They're just doing whatever they want, seemingly.
Ah, they kind of messed up that combo a bit, but...
...Darret's are just still dead. Same result.
Next!
Save.
Blum, blum, blum, blum, blum.
Okay, so we're playing to the creeps.
This is, like, from Bedroom's perspective...
...do you think that they have high ground potential?
I mean, the Black Hole...
...in theory is something that people fear.
It's just, uh, you need items.
Their lineup has good high ground potential, but they don't have anything.
So, no. Not yet.
However!
What do they need to pose a threat?
Uh, Shadowfiend needs an item.
Really?
Yeah, one item.
What's he getting?
He's going Blink BKB, so no Kayayasha.
This means it'll be a slow requiem, but I honestly like the choice.
When you're this much down,
you kind of have to hope for some sort of good setup with a stun combo or whatever,
and then get a slow windup requiem.
what's done
black hole
that's it
very much
they have the egg
but it's against three ranged heroes
of which two are cores
and one has the longest range in the game
uh... he's by the way gonna force an egg or kill here
force at it
yep
is it popular if i say it's linger-ficking good?
can i say that?
no, that's fine
how far away does it need to be before it's not the same saying?
Well, you already said Tofu was served there, so already that's not a step. That was what you said
Actually, probably do you serve tofu at one of those establishments in another country?
Hey, they're not allowed to be
They need to sponsor this time. Oh, GPK dead again. Let's find
171 could be worse add another death to the list
It could be worse. All right 20-minute tormentor. Who do you think is gonna get it?
I cannot believe it's only 20 minutes, this game feels...
I don't know.
It feels longer to you?
It just felt over for so long that, yeah, it does feel longer.
Oh, that's because it kind of started feeling over a minute five.
Yeah.
Not that it was, but it was looking bad already, and Liquid are staying in control,
and now looking to get themselves a Tormentor.
There's just something beautiful about watching a team just roll sometimes.
Like just step by step keep making the correct moves, take the next objective.
It's very cathartic.
They're just watching good players play well and get their way.
And of course we like watching competitive games, but once in a while, something like
this.
I don't mind it all that much.
It's cool to see just some brilliance in action.
It turns into more of a podcast.
Anyway.
Shield on top.
There's levels to this game, and Liquid are at the highest one.
Misha is actually going for Aging Receptor.
Hell yeah. Alright.
Love to see.
Now what you want to see is Kanda. I don't think he's going to buy that though.
With Silver Edge.
Also a good reaction from Kiritich.
How often is Silver Edge Kanda then purchased on the same hero?
It's pretty rare.
I got a replay of that blink out.
Oh, is that the highlight of the game?
It might be the best Batboom play we've had so far, dodging that spell there.
We're coming here.
There it is.
Unbelievably hype.
Very excellent escape there from Kiritich.
It's unreal.
Extremely impressive play.
That was very far off from Boxxy.
He missed that by a thousand.
I don't think I've, I maybe never seen in pro a bushwack missed by more than that.
We threw it as Phoenix was mid dive, but because it didn't hit, it lands like a thousand
range away from Phoenix's location on connection.
But fortunately for him, didn't matter.
Easy kill once again for the side of Liquid.
Yeah, when you're looking for highlights when there are none, it's just...
It reminds me of...
I don't know if you've seen this, but like, it's some sort of Counter-Strike, sarcastic
highlight compilation of a guy who gets one kill in a map.
Oh yeah, I love those.
This is what this reminds me of, like...
Love those.
They call it frag movie, right? Sarcastically as well.
So like, frag movie from the map of one hill, and then it's just the end.
It's kind of where we're at right now.
Sometimes it's zero, and then it's never the end.
Oh my god, man.
This is just...
It's funny, I've seen those so many times, it always cracks me up.
Yeah, it never gets old.
Now, TPK,
recipe away from his game-winning BKBM, sure.
Okay, so here's my prediction, Janon. He's gonna get BKB, little YOLO-ified, they'll lose and call GG instantly, but they're waiting for it.
Surely you're not smoking now, before he gets the item you need.
GPK's like, you know, I think it's just not gonna happen.
Oh, they're playing BKB and Enigma. Let's hold your horses.
They do.
Yep, yep.
BKB's pushed into the Black Hole onto one. Look at the Bushwack! Holy shit!
Into the Spear, Ace, and then call it.
For God's sake, just call it. For all of our sanity.
Alright.
Hacking him, Scepter. That's a team wipe.
Not yet. Moxie can't hit him. Another boomerang?
Damn it. Boomerang?
Don't.
Oh, no!
It's gonna stop today again soon.
Ace has another arena.
That's one way to die back from save.
Okay. That's a dieback for save.
It has to make sure that Kata only lives. That's important.
Um, you've still got six minutes. I think you have a pretty good buffer for this stuff.
I'm sure we're going to get a replay of that. I believe that was a three-man bushwax that
was completely countered.
And I was like, this is the only play they have. It's to blink BKB on Enigma and catch
Sniper and Windranger together, and he only got the Windranger. Look at this replay here.
On the very outer edge, but he doesn't get E-Fill.
Oh my god.
But I don't even think it matters, because of that boxy stuff, like they're just pinned, all of the damage is taken out of the fight
From the trees, you can see the tip coming in there
Boxy
That's the guy who just won the game
Any other day
So all the same
They call him Stone Cold Killer
I'm shocked they didn't call Gigi there
Yeah, me too, actually
That's normalizing as it gets
I'm not sure what that boomer really holding onto here
Maybe because of their series against those Gigi, they think this is the best of five
And they're spending the time thinking about next game, but they lost that message 5, but
Still ended up continuing on
Good spear. Last-ditch effort the attempted flank, Nisha taking the brunt of the damage and nice wreckly on the right, double-raised GPK double kill.
Alright, he's got gamesharing. Bed boom showing some signs of life. That's why they don't give up GPK God.
They are not... Rigor Mortis is not set in yet, Cinderan.
Another kill for Kiritich as Tofu out of mana.
That we want to continue to pursue, but their lack of stuns is kind of an issue here.
He's fine.
You know what they say, don't count your chickens until they hatch.
Linger ficking good.
And what do they say about Tofu?
Goes well with Celery.
Fake ends.
Oh, that's good.
The pub classic.
You're getting stumped, you say GG and fast, and then you do a defense on high ground.
Actually gonna get roll shot.
They obviously didn't say GG.
I mean, okay, would this be the comeback of the tournament or what?
Yeah, it would.
This is actually...
This is...
They are still far behind, but it's kind of hype that they even have a chance.
They have Black Hole right now.
The arena though, and the spear onto two heroes, GPK trying desperately to get this Aegis.
It looks like he's just gonna die in the pit as Ace snatches the Aegis.
Okay, now they don't have a chance again now. It was fun. It was a good minute
There was a problem base is cracking up every time he laughs he comes, but he just don't entertain yourself. Just get over it
Take it easy get some rest
Maybe that's the team and they're like let's win fast for ace so he can take a nap
And he's to recover that is such a beauty from from ace there. Oh
I love Mars
Snickers also good
Finger looking good, hmm.
Alright, this is going to be a second lane.
Still no GG's being called from that door.
Alright, it's Nisha.
What is he sitting on now?
Actually went for four staffs, so I assume Hurricane Pike.
Ahh, has to shard with the grenade.
Yep. Oh, that's the smoke.
Phoenix, here it comes. One more Black Hole for the road. That's an Agnes Scepter for me, Errol.
Okay, uh, save actually gets off his ult and then dies instantly. Here comes Guitar Man.
Playing the drums of war on the guitar. Okay, good spear into the tower.
Gets licked back towards the rest of liquid and Heritage just dies, so...
So, he has flyback here, which maybe they're just waiting for this black hole to be presented
to them.
Meryl is seen now.
There's the flyback.
They were scanning out as well.
Kiritich, gonna show himself again.
Okay, still with that arena available.
Oh!
Good attempt.
A Horsie saving Kiritich.
horsey horsey felt like a bait and member ace is one with the ages yep
good will reset for now still plenty of time though with that second life even
an AC for Ace.
Ace-E.
Ace-Gis.
That sounds wrong.
But he has the Aegis.
Don't.
He's pretending to say that.
Jenkins is definitely cracking up. That's his kind of thing.
He loves that stuff.
You know what I mean.
Alright, that boom. What's it gonna be?
Are we gonna find the angle?
I saw that ending from miles away. What ending though?
His Pugy has fled. Oh, that ending.
If Ace finds any angle, this is just over. They can't let Mars find an opening.
There goes the ward.
Lick him out.
Frog licking good.
That's probably the only thing that catches us.
Oh!
And a redot to 4, one blinks out, and the egg is used.
They're just resetting, letting that egg
pop on its own accord.
That was a quick reaction from Curitich.
That wasn't though.
Oh my god, the damage.
Sharp shooter as well, T8, half HP, gets
beard, but blinks out, there is the black hole.
It's hitting two heroes.
No egg follow-up though, it's Nisha gets a kill,
pick it a double, and
They are just dying left and right.
This should be it. GG finally called.
Lucky Shannon.
GG called at 29-41. It was false.
Yeah, it was. It shouldn't have been though.
Like you, you did get your sub-30-minute victory here for Liquid.
The throne falls at 29-51.
Definitely one of the bigger stops of the tournament.
Yeah, not really much to say to that.
They kind of got smashed so hard in the first 10 minutes
that it was almost irrecoverable with the type of lineup they had.
And sometimes though, it really is that simple.
You pick greedy heroes that need levels and farm and time,
and you lose the early game so hard that you cannot acquire said items levels and time.
It's funny.
And then you talked about Sniper not being a good hero.
Obviously, every situation available for every hero and I think it was pretty good.
15 and 1 on the Sniper.
Its last pick felt like could not be solved.
I mean, it is a five range lineup for Bedboom.
That's where you have Sniper in your pocket, you have him as a last pick when it's the
right game.
That's what's so cool about Dota sometimes is that it's one thing to have the players
and be able to play the heroes, you need to get the idea.
The cool thing here is recognizing that it's a sniper game.
Then I mean it's clearly when you see the game play out and you recognize it's really
really good when you see it played, but I think a lot of teams in this tournament would have
not considered that pick here, but Nisha, he sees it and puts on a clinic, such an
easy game for him. Too easy, somewhat today. As, uh, yeah, liquid. Take care of business.
Sheba.
They do. My family thought backstage that Bebe was going to call it earlier than what
they ended up doing, but that's kind of how the game went. It was right on the wall from
a fairly early start time for that, Brian.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean that game was I think the
Biggest play was that boxy bush black at the bottom now even though you're already up by like 8 9k at that point
that was like the one potential like black hole into into turn that I think that boom had all game and
I don't know. There's just something about when you get the chance to see people style and boxy. Oh here it is here
This is so good best bush
Yeah, that's that's good sound effects for that one
There are just so many like AWP stuns on SF and TA at the same time.
It just made the team fights look so hopeless to me because ideally you get like one guy
and you're having a good time but if you get both of those heroes together, they're both
like top priority kill these heroes, heroes, they're so good.
Have you ever seen a death rocker in Kuro?
I have, but it's not very often.
I mean, they just can't play this game.
Like the heroes are insanely bad.
That's the worst, you have to have seen the entire tournament so far, I think it's a
G impossible draft against the team of Liquid's caliber, against the worst team you can make
anything work, but against really really good teams you gotta have more solid drafts because
it's just absurdly hard to play.
And on top of the fact that drafts sucks, I think they also kinda crumbled play-wise,
like GPK is kinda just chain feeding in a situation where he can just farm jungle and
chill and not feed those kills away, maybe the game just gets so out of control, but
he kinda just keeps dying to the ganks and getting solo killed and it was just, it was
not a good look for them. I do have something good going for them though. They did not GG
at 15 minutes. That's a good thing. Absolutely it is. Oh dear. Because this team was, they
were smiling and laughing, okay? Like they knew they had a bad time, like they were going
to lose, but they kept playing, which is better than some of their past moments. Like I think
they easily could have given that game up earlier. They could have done it at like a
tier two, but they played until the end, which I think is at least decent. They can just
say, okay, we really screwed up the draft. That's okay. Like, we're in group stage two,
we're here to learn. We're not going to win the thing, but we're they're going to gain
some knowledge and they definitely learned something that can genuinely believe they
wanted Mars on that fourth slot. And the second liquid flexed the Largo that they didn't think
they had to take the Mars because they had already picked Largo. But the same they flexed
the Largo to take Mars. Their draft just didn't make sense anymore. I feel like from then on
out, like, they just checked out. That would explain to me the way GP gave us kind of
I know that's not it's not an excuse or a good explanation by any means, but I
Really do feel like liquid just had their number and more was than one
Yeah, I mean it's one of those games you just forget about you like guys whatever we lost this never happened
Well on let's play better tomorrow genuinely because I think there's nothing you can glean from this game
Other than don't pick five range heroes, but like everybody knows that so just like sometimes it just happens
Yeah, dude, did you just miss click like four times in a row and sometimes you miss click four times in a row
I don't know about description, but sometimes you know you're drafting and before you know it's like you you think too much in a moment
You don't tie the picture together. I'm gonna try tonight. I'm gonna show two of those clips of them getting destroyed and they
They lost the Laney stage they're down thousands of net worth. It's not looking good. Their draft doesn't look like it's gonna work. Well
That was true
But it got worse because we're 5k down at 15 minutes
They've died a majority of these times are not sticking even with the network and they're like finally we can get our fifth kill the game
They're running for their lives for boxing. It looks like boxing might be in danger
There's no more run thingies, but then all the sudden they use power shot and sniper ulti and
Every long-range aerobility and they just blew him up. That's two deaths that didn't need to happen
And then this great ulti from ace as well. Oh my gosh picking up GPA. He gets a nice ulti double reckoning on it
It looks like he should might die
But nice heal from ace there. It looks like a lotus or something like that. Nice spear to the left and you should get to play the back of the fight
He's got to do whatever I like they wanted to this game
Let's try to kill ace
Simply pulls him away shackle shot on the phoenix
All these termashes are going bad. They have no way to initiate cleanly
They've got great team fight
But as long as liquid doesn't like over commit into a bad situation or black hole the game just seems so simple
They just take them apart here
It really did look like a game at this point
It's not I
But fun also
Cuz it's it's fun to remind us girls that the pros this happens to pros sometimes too. It happens to me every single game
Well 50% of our
Intention is like hey, let's try to make this game as close to 50-50 as possible surely someone's gotta lose games
That you lose are also fun
I agree. Some people do not have fun when they're losing.
I do have fun when I'm losing sometimes.
I think if I didn't have fun in losing games...
You'd become a bitter pub persona.
I would not play as much as I do.
I think I'd be tough to be with Owen.
Be playing with him, that'd just be tough.
be tough. The way that he encapsulates his mid-play when he ran was in
party queue and stuff. And he's like I'm gonna build five Sanjianashas.
The quintuple battle fury. I enjoy that most of the time and sometimes I do ask
him like maybe this time you'll pick. And then he'll pick for a little while, win for a
little while, but that's too boring you know. Yeah he's gotta go back to the one.
Gotta go back. Gotta create the spice. Listen to him play with flak is the funniest thing ever.
Slash gets so salty, and Owen is so impossible to make salty, and he's also a bit of a troll,
that it's just like, it's the funniest duo ever. Watching Owen make Slash slowly melt
into madness.
Yeah, Slash does not like the random.
He does not. He does not like the random.
Then Pubby played with him with the axe. He was at the axe dazzle lane, and they died
a million times this large.
Those are the ones you'll never forget.
Oh, so funny.
I remember one pub game I played a while back that I was like 15 and 0 on Wraith King with my friends and I just decided to buy like a 20 minute Wraith beer
And they did not play with me for like a month after that
We lost like 40 minutes later
Those are the games that people, you know, they established relationships in Dota
Look, Brian, this is the person, surely he looks like a shoulder but who's that, the thick head
Uh, might be Quinn
You're gonna find out who it is if it's not me
Is there any joke?
Look
Doesn't this look like a thick head? Probably one of these two people because that's slacks
That's I think we decided that's the coat and maybe that's water and that's me and I already have a head
So even though I think had a minute. I just told you we're learning more about posture. How did you measure your head?
I was looking for a
secondhand
Horseback riding cap. It's hot
And your size for that and apparently I'm large
I mean you're a tall person so it kind of stands that you're
It needs to be you could also say it needs to be large to fit all your brain because you're so smart
Sorry, you're a false fever. It's a big brain
Thank you for getting me out of this conversation, Nisha. Hey, Nisha. How you doing? Congratulations
Can you hear me?
Hello
Ah, yes, yes, yes, yes, sorry.
I was joking the other day that if I was a pro player I would just pretend to not hear them and then that would be my way of getting out of the interview, but this works.
Congratulations on the series, Nisha.
Thank you.
We have to ask a question because obviously we see you on camera during the draft and last pick comes in, you get your sniper and it was last all around but a little birdie might have spoiled that it might not have been about the sniper.
Why were you guys laughing?
It was definitely about Sniper because we had zero seconds on the clock and the zero was like counting down
Oh, and this guy's like looking for for the sniper for 50 minutes
And it was like very spicy to randomly a hero
What we we got the side do you think that if you ran them the hero?
You would have still won. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I said like anything like the keys skyro. Silence
I would win anyway. Easy. There was no problem.
So we've been told that you've been pubbing, which apparently is more, you're rather more than normal.
Let's put it that way. And I was hoping for some pub stories.
Are there any go-to heroes that you like to play more than others?
Is there anything you would like to get off your chest that you're annoyed by?
We've heard from Insania that sometimes...
Not really. I'm never annoyed. I am always enjoying the pubs.
My team is always trying, I have like aura, everyone wins with me.
But that was almost a trick, so I started picking Husker, and I'm the last picking Husker, obviously, so that's why I go to him.
And that's why you've been winning.
So there's nobody you want to call out from your pubs, Insanya says that that's the thing.
No, no, no, no, no, I love my teammates, I have no enemies.
So is there anything, this is what Insanya also taught us, that when he was doing your, you guys' interviews,
He said there was always a question that he hoped that we would ask and we never asked in this case
It was asking about the pubs and about call-outs, but is there any question you always hope that we ask you and we never do
We do want to know how you feel about your opponents tomorrow, it's Falcons I leave and
Yeah, I
I don't want to play them. It's like Sand King, I need to send 30 times on it. He's farming, pushing out wave, it's just me.
I don't want to play against them, but we'll have to.
It's like a dirty team to go up against because of the picks they do.
Yeah.
Okay, fair enough.
As far as I'm concerned.
Is there then, counterpoint, is there a team that you're like, yes, I want to go up against this team?
Yeah, I like playing OG, I like playing Bedboom, Xtreme, I don't like playing Aurora I think.
Yeah, okay.
Most teams are fun.
Well Xtreme you already did yesterday, OG is out and Bedboom you just did, so that's
it, you know.
That's all of them.
I just forgot the teams to be honest.
Okay, fair.
Who's the most honest mid laner than in the competition?
for you. Honest. Yeah, honest mid laners like. Probably nothing to say. Nothing to say is really honest.
Great. That's a good trade in a mid laner for sure. I have purchased well with Lofta
Ash with some questions. Hey Nisha, I've seen some other teams really care about defending
their like the Dire safe lane tier one or the Rating off lanes to control Torment area,
but it seems like you guys don't care as much about your tier one towers. Would you agree
with that yeah we don't we don't care we don't care if you want to take it just
just go take it what do you do it instead just get as much farm as possible
that's usually my plan control the runes wish some waves but yeah oh they wish to
find more towers so are you guys just like opportunistically looking for
ganks like is it is there less planning you guys like playing like vibe playing
basically yeah it's a lot of vibe running around and whoever has like an idea that pops into their
head we try to realize it but before that there's no problem cool I do as you're doing it different
working out it's working out as well so you know congratulations again on the on the 2o
that's two 2o's I believe there as well so a great start I'm gonna make you very happy because it's
was at the end of the interview, Nisha.
Congratulations, and I'm sure we'll see you again soon.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Bye.
I mean, they are up to a flying start, with 4-0 in their game
so far.
They are doing very well.
They are.
And it's a shame Nisha doesn't like to talk more,
because he is insanely funny.
He is.
Especially not on camera as well.
Behind the scenes, he is.
Probably more so.
Yeah, more so.
He's genuinely hilarious.
And yeah, and I wish people got to see that a little more,
because he's quite the character.
He's good vibes like always.
I don't think I've had a single time where I've been near Nisha and he's kind of like
dropped the vibes of the room.
No, he's still funny.
A big Nisha fan, maybe even off camera more than on camera or in-game, he's actually hilarious.
Yeah, no judgment there.
I mean that's hard to judge for us anyway because we don't really get to see him that much off camera.
Who did that one?
That's not that...
That's a Tarocious.
That's a Tarocious.
Wasn't me.
Okay, well...
I think I was testing that one earlier but I knew it didn't fit.
I think you were testing on Shiver with that one.
I forgot to take it back out.
goes there it's like one or two pieces over well close you tested me with that
one I think Jack sorry I'm gonna test us with a quiz yeah hello thank you for
welcoming on this wonderful show ladies and gentlemen as we just saw from
Nisha we are not only blessed in the Dota scene with some of the best players
of any e-sport in the world in terms of skill they also have quite a bit of
personality. These guys are hilarious, but I feel like because we watch them play so
much, we don't get to see that personality all the time. So I thought I would dig into
some old social media posts of some of these players and have you guys guess based on their
personality, you know them so well, who it was that posted these various things. Are
you guys ready?
Yeah, let's do it. Go.
Okay, so, yeah, let's load it up, computer.
Let's load the first one up.
Huh, we've got a techies hater.
There's no way Amit tweeted this. It's on Twitter.
And it's also a new Twitter, because there's a heckin' grok symbol in the corner.
Oh, no, no, no, no, that doesn't matter.
That's a screenshot or a video.
Because you have to do not if you search for this thing.
I screenshot it, so fuck.
This looks like a pure thing to do.
The AI is forced on us, for sure.
But who is the one that would treat about
Kevin I'll give you I'll give you a hint that this was actually like free AI
Okay, I feel like this makes sense. I think it has to be crystals
Well, cuz it can't be satanic because it was pre AI. I don't think he was allowed to have spitter yet
Who years old and there's no way appears using Twitter compared to like what's your mind? It's called telegram
Okay, okay
What if it's actually on me though? I think it's beer. I think it's beer
Yeah, we'll lock that in.
Okay, so great job.
This one, I tried to give you a freebie with the kind of obvious bait answers.
This was Crystalis. You guys are correct.
Nice.
Just an absolutely hilarious guy.
We're highly recommend following him on Twitter.
His stream is hilarious too.
He actually does live editing on his stream.
Let's load up the second post on social media.
This is somebody's first time getting 11k.
Maybe we can check out the the heroes here the hero that was covered by the way by the command is necrophos
Necrophos green years. Yeah
This looks like a kezu list or something. No, no, no, it's not here. It's too much pop
I know these players are mid players. I will I will follow up and say that the name of this person was I will be the best carry
That was their name. Okay. That's here. That's Peter. It looks like Skeeter. Why would he play so much pop?
I'm just saying like Ursa Luna
Bristle gyro that's Peter, right? These are way too few games on
There was a little K though. It's filtered by rating. It's filtered by rating. Oh
Says highest rated heroes are rating up my game. Oh, okay. He's just a very good puck. I mean that I would say
Let's say probably skitter I think I just think you remember that being his name at one point
I just think that skitter is the only one that big necrophosa of all those
Okay, great job. That is skitter. These are very excellent deductions from you guys. It's funny because he said
The puck flux the safe lane was a little a little crazy. I think it was pure that did that and
Here he is. He's apparently very very good at puck. So yeah, you guys are one for one two for two so far
So you know your players and their personalities a little bit of the third
Actually, there's gonna be a little bit of extra some extra stuff here
I want to show you so I put kezzo on there because he responds to this tweet tweet and he said well played moron
The skitter who subsequently went on to win
That was before he won 2t this was pre pre ti I mean to be fair kezzo would say this
Wasn't this year that skitter? No, that was see you on the next year. Do you really want me to?
21 was oh, yeah, I imagine that having your name
I will be the best carry with an anime profile picture which was omitted because I know you guys would know the ones here
I always had this as a picture and then he actually to I mean two TI's like how many you have to win before you've
You've kind of proven your point 16 16. Okay. It's gonna take a long time for sooner. Let's load up the next image computer
This one is actually this was a video but because of copyright issues we can't play the music I will say it was
Minecraft type music that was playing but you'll you can probably tell from the GIF
I mean it seems like I feel like you went to Chris Ellis's page and he just had like a bunch of like
Funny stuff like this. I just I could see boxy making this joke
But I just feel like maybe Ari's like that. I'd say it's more likely Ari than boxy
I feel like his crystals are Ari. It's just like is it even though to related. I'm unsure. It's Minecraft
Oh, it's my boy. Is there any Dota reference because it I haven't seen the outers then could be xxs
I know who you can speak English which pretends not to yeah, that is true, but it's definitely not
So are you didn't used to be in Dota you used to do other games that's true
And he's young as well. They like he is with okay. They don't mind the same guy multiple times
Yeah, cuz the first suburb suburb
The virgin.
Exhibitation.
It's very hard to learn.
What are we locking?
What are we locking?
I'm down to locking Christolus to the challenges.
B or D?
Yeah, I'm okay with either.
We're going D or B.
Well, I know you're going D, Brian, but maybe not later tonight.
We'll go for B for this one.
Yeah.
Okay, so you are correct.
This is Christolus again.
Nice.
This guy's hella funny, dude.
If he ever stops being a top tier carry, he will be a top tier streamer.
The likes of Gorg C and Topson will likely see that at some point today.
So let's load up the next image here, computer.
So this, I will give some context to this.
This was a player who got a puppy and named it Marcy.
This beautiful dog is named Marcy.
Really?
That's Ari.
Mm-hmm.
The musty Ari.
Holy crap!
That is a fake puppy, surely.
It's too cute.
That's a real puppy.
For real?
We're claiming yeah, maybe is this an AI puppy, but it's not there's other pictures, which we'll see soon
That's so cute. I believe I'm a I believe they saw those blankets at bed bath and beyond from the years 2001
You're guessing this puppy picture. I feel like this is a man. Oh, my name is dog and English speaking name
Maybe Jenkins translated it
That's me. It doesn't have the power to
Occam's razor, I think is the she was right here
Mike's gonna do my only thing is it the she does not have a better banner on it
I think it's not Twitter, so it's either off of
Telegram or
Context clues, you know, okay, I'll go I'll go with that. I'll go with that read. I'm gonna
I'm not in class or on a because if there's no Twitter banner like I don't know what social media are you be using
Unless it's I could be Facebook or some crap
I'm down to go on me if you are
I'm down I just like I'm it would get a little fluffy dog like that me too and there wouldn't be words or context
Or the word context have to be hidden because it's in check and actually Ari has a gecko pet
He wouldn't have a second pet. He would know dog anarchy. He does. I considered putting that one in here by the way the gecko
Yeah, so you know well that tells us that's not Ari
Was it the male gecko named Susan or something? Yes the male gecko named Susan
Yeah, something along those lines.
Lock it in the answer, ladies and gentlemen.
Lock it in the D.
Lock it in the D?
That is wrong.
This was actually nine class.
But I'm very impressed with your ability to...
Why does he do this?
The puppy more often.
So this was on Telegram.
And the text translates.
I can't read it from here.
Uminya basically says,
I've got a little miracle named Marcy.
dog is named Marcy and the people in the comments are saying oh she's so pretty she's so cute so
the slash slash at the bottom it says slash slash Malchik which he's saying it's a guy he named his
dog Marcy it's a guy and he was confused why people were saying she's so beautiful but wonderful
dog he loves his dog very much and I can see why what a what a wonderful little animal let's move
Move on to the next one, and this is, I just put the text because the other thing didn't
want to reveal too much.
I'm starting this year by paying attention to myself, my loved ones, and the goodness
around me.
I wish you two to seek and cherish the light and goodness.
Who was this that wrote this on there?
That sounds like tofu.
Social media.
It sounds like a translation of nothing.
I agree.
I agree though.
It's like a translation.
Angles would not write this many words.
I wish you I wish you to to speak and cherish the light and goodness. I think that does some well
I'll let's I mean if we agree is translation it could also be translated from Yaro who is also
very much wholesome
What about ATF?
You do it in English. Oh, yeah, you would do this right that no, but I think we agree that it's a translation
So it's either a or c. Okay. I'm I think it's an a I think this is a Chinese translation
Could they write messages like that in Chinese in here?
Is that common? No, I don't know. Yeah, maybe New Year is popular
Or it's like a thing that just happened. It's the year of the horse
Well, was this year the horse message or a past one? I don't know. I would like to lock in a you guys cool
That's my day. All right a lock it in. Okay
Very close. I was not a
But, Shever, you were right in your deduction when you said Miro.
Extremely wholesome guy.
He went to an art gallery, and the full message is the other day I went to an exhibition, one
of the most talked about designers of our time, and also an artist.
Alexander Henry Levi is an incredible, interesting character, and his works are very insightful.
If you enjoy abstraction and graphic art, I highly recommend it.
So basically, he went to this art installation and got very inspired and wrote this lovely
message by saying hey pay attention to yourself love yourself and I hope
everybody does the same this year it has your goodness and love and self-care
we're very we're very happy to have a guy like this in the Dota scene because I
feel like everyone else is full blown toxicity funny but full blown
toxicity so shout out to Miro and he's high skilled you just gave us a back
out of comfort you don't know you do know that well like he's very nice with
everybody else's script you could have said absolutely absolutely the thing is
I'm paying attention to myself, and I know that I'm toxic and I'm the representative of the Dota community
We're all one here, but it's nice that some of us have goodness in us and can inspire the rest of us
So thank you Miro for that. So we're gonna go to the final question
Load up the final question. Do you have any points that we do have it?
You guys are like four out of
Oh, this I feel like four out of six so far. That's not good. That's one three to five
This is a six one. This has to be saved by it. Yeah, that was my assumption
Like, I also feel like Crystalous has a more well-balanced diet.
Like, Savorlite is full, like, I-only-eat-chicken kind of guy.
Which makes me think that eating a cucumber is like a real punishment.
Like, this is like, flipping his hand and, like, boiling lava.
It's like the most water-filled vegetable that exists.
Very neutral taste.
What is the text?
T.I.patch-push-push-vendors-vendors-vendors?
Maybe it was-
Maybe it's because it's like, you know, he had, like, some of those, like, joke-fallic-object tweets sometimes, too?
Yeah, like, he was also screaming on that vein.
There's no way he would put three, Crystalous.
I can see the two with three is ridiculous to me.
Say bye.
I thought I would not tweet this.
The panic was like four.
I thought I would not tweet this.
Do you think it's Saber-Lite?
I think it has to be Bing Bong.
Yeah, I'll go Bing Bong.
It could be Crystals.
I could be wrong, but I think it's more likely Saber-Lite.
I agree.
It would be a good Jenkins bit for you to put another Crystals though.
Can we lock in C, please?
You locked in C?
You are correct.
That is Saber-Lite.
That is Saber-Lite.
But Crystals did respond to this tweet.
Oh, really?
Yeah, he said.
Do it with one of these.
Oh, God.
Because it's an ASMR.
Oh, God.
Oh, God.
Oh, God.
Oh, God.
Oh, God.
Oh, God.
Oh, God.
So I'm telling you, I got any of these posts
that are funny.
Crystal is just in there, like making some comeback joke.
So.
That's good.
A very funny community.
Very proud to have these guys in the community to be part of it.
Thank you so much for all the tweets.
And thank you guys for doing the quiz.
And we'll get back to some Dota 2 action.
We'll wait.
Puzzle action.
What is the time?
Shut up, Jenkins.
Whoa.
Jenkins, could you make it right down and help us out with puzzle game time?
Sure, why not?
I could have a couple reasons why not, but I'm happy you didn't.
I'm very artistic.
You are! You can't do this every day, but you need to pull some weight here today as well.
I don't know what we're doing here.
We are for the next 10 minutes. You get to watch us puzzle and we can chat about anything you like.
Podcast?
Anything you like, broadcast, appropriate.
Anything you like, Jenkins.
You smell nice.
Anything but that.
What about me?
Oh, it's not good.
Okay, okay.
Alright, so you...
You got your almost done.
Yeah, I'm well known.
That's a good joke.
I don't know if you saw the time we need to beat and stuff like that.
Whoa!
Jenkins, sabotage.
You dropped the stuff on the floor?
I didn't know we're good.
Alright.
Well, at the moment we're at two and a half hours, that means we have one and a half hour left.
Is that on the piece?
What is that?
Is that actually how much time we have left?
To do 99% of the puzzle minimal unless we complete it all together then we can take as long as we like as long as we
100% it previous shift did not complete it head through it across the room. May I yeah, man make a suggestion
Yeah, can we rotate this puzzle 180 degrees?
Because why because we're making some good progress on the red area, but we've made no progress on this area
It's hard to reach. I don't want to stand in front of the table. Wait. Is this the same puzzle? No
No, it's a different dream different puzzle. I'm not a baby
But purge I would in that case suggest that you just start puzzling in the box
So you can move it over as you complete your piece
I'd like complete but I want to match these to the edge pieces not like try to figure out how these middle pieces
So get one side piece and continue building on that. I take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off, Jenkins
Okay, that's the good idea. I said that's the last time. They said that's the last time you do that
But Kurtz, do you need all these then as well?
Is this one you saw?
Yeah, basically I have most of the star pieces in this box.
Load me up.
Okay, let me just remove the ones that you don't want.
And the sad part is that there's a lot of...
The star pieces cover the entire top, so it's kind of like a big job, I feel like, but...
You want me to...
I'll just take this and put it back on and back to you.
Okay.
Shit, why don't these ones have numbers on them?
God damn.
It is nice and you can just count and then it's the direction it goes.
Guys, she ever told us how she puzzled with her family when she was younger.
How did you guys puzzle when you were younger?
Not at all.
You didn't puzzle?
I hardly puzzled it at all.
What was your crystal?
You were a big family.
That looks like it's crystal.
Yelling at each other and fighting usually.
Just playing video games and stuff.
Yelling and fighting.
Your family was puzzling and you weren't there.
Nah, we were all playing video games.
I played a lot of Monopoly when I was a kid.
That's not a fun game.
We did play some Monopoly.
Monopoly makes enemies.
We did also play Monopoly.
I mean, it depends also very much if you're from a big family or not, whether you're doing stuff and are active with stuff like that, or if you, you know, do stuff with friends on the street.
I was from an immigrant family, so I did not have cousins. Well, I do have cousins, but they were across a very big ocean.
So it was just me and my brother and my mom and dad. We were very happy though. I don't want to make that sound like it was an happy thing.
As I got this one and I don't know where it goes because this is the end of it
And this is weird. So what what is it one over like it's in this far here?
I just leave it there. It looks like it is right there actually I
Was told I can't sit here. Yep. That's Dallas what I wanted to rotate 180 degrees shoot
Well, no, but your reasoning was was wrong. They hit their reasoning is not to block the camera blocking the sponsor room
Okay, well, oh, that's a big deal. I can't see that
So you want to rotate it 90 degrees you can work on that part
It's a it's like random unit. I don't know. I think it's somewhere. Oh, I know it's right there. It's a dreamhack thing. Oh
Oh, wow, it's a Legion commander. Oh
Oh, I was I saw a piece earlier. I had no idea what it was. Not a eunuch. She's a unit
That's called a guy. Yeah, that is a thing. It is. Oh, it's her action slack. Who's this guy?
It looks like walking on a marlinie. No, no, I think it's water. I agree. Oh
This is a feet. Oh, that's that is a shoe. I can spot feet from anywhere
That is a shoe right there. A shoe
Is she waiting for sure? No. Did you puzzle then a lot, Purge?
Uh, my family definitely did a mix of board games and card games and puzzles, you know.
It was kind of like one of the things we do at family events, usually.
Oh wow, that one kind of just went in, I think.
Um, yeah, I have good memory of, uh, puzzling.
So, it wasn't the best of puzzles.
Well, we did a lot of card games and did like little poker with like fake money and stuff
like that.
And then we punched each other.
What?
I just wanted to include that because I thought it would be funny.
Yeah, it's hilarious.
Who's the best at punching?
Physical violence is really funny.
Sometimes you have a...
You can't be funny.
Did you guys ever build snow forts at recess?
And then you'd...
Someone else would have an opposing snow fort and then you'd fight each other?
Because you were like...
Nobody? Anyone?
No.
I don't think we built snow forts.
Yeah, we did snow forts and fought each other for the snow forts.
for the snow for itself.
Not bad, it's growing up.
Yeah, that's northern.
That's northern.
He's from Texas though, he's from Arizona.
So I never lived in snow, no.
So I never...
Well, you guys missed out, okay?
Do they have snow in Texas?
Sometimes.
That's rare.
They freak out about it, that's for sure.
Boy, it's cause there's no infrastructure.
Do you think the Netherlands would be prepared for it,
but they're not either?
No, apparently our airport has calculated
the amount of days we have snow it's not worth it just money wise to prepare for it compared to
the damage they have for cancelling literally almost every flight so they just don't prepare for it
because it saves them money and that like oh raw that is that is another sounds another land
very efficient but like a student airport stays open for a long long time eventually surely it
become worth it. Yeah it is. The airport obviously is Chippewa. It saves them money but it hurts
economically literally everyone that's supposed to fly through that airport. So this year or rather
this season there were three days in total that Chippewa was a complete mess and obviously they
need to pay a lot like that's a lot of damages and a lot of time where there's no flights and all
that but apparently that one's worth it for them. Yeah that one has to be obvious. There's one day
in the states were like all the like all the flight crap like broke oh that was
because that guy made a software error or whatever yeah it's something like that
windows it was it was a windows update some windows it was a yeah it was like
crashing crashing computers I just put one here Colonel update I think yeah
they updated Colonel Sanders yeah the KFC recipe they updated it and then it
Run freaked out and
I'm buying chicken and all flights. Oh, exactly. And we should go to run the world without the chicken
This one should be easy to
Especially because it's for indents. Okay
If it's a re-indense at least yeah, I'm gonna try to fit these over here about they maybe they're both too bright
Or maybe it goes here. Is this right?
if a massive EMP hit the world and all technology could no longer be used or
let's say like aliens put a like bubble around earth and like we could never use
technology again what country do you think would be the most successful at
recovering from that just being fine we can never do nothing I know technology
be the worst. You just can't turn stuff on. I don't think that would be the worst. Maybe
mechanical watches and stuff work. All their payments. I think banks would be ruined everywhere.
I feel like people that are closer to base zero would be and know how to do things.
Can I get some more light stars? Yes. Because like there's like imagine for example like
how do you make the dies that go in textiles? Like simple things like that that have been like
Solved for hundreds of years basically like you'd have to go back to basics
There's a lot of stuff like that that you'd lose knowledge-wise. Yeah
How many like engineers of mechanical engineering know how to like machine small parts by hand?
Like that stuff all gets made in a factory somewhere because it's just cheaper
There's a lot of stuff like that that you just lose that knowledge
If you'd lose all technology and start over it's just approximate what you're saying
So I feel like people that are more self-sufficient and live off the land kind of a thing take a place
Yeah, Jenks this is home would do really well Canada. No, just you you and wherever your house
Oh, I don't know. I don't know what country fits that categorization. I'm not sure
It's not the US or other privileged nations who have
You're right. It's probably it's probably nations that doesn't don't have a lot now either
So it will be the least amount of change. Let's say it's like four months later
You know like if we all have time nice job, Brian. We all have time to recover
Friends and artists used to know it. Yeah, he's like guys. I'm not good art. Then he just learns I mean, I feel like Sweden would actually be pretty
Pretty okay. No, they use so much things to get rid of the snow and they won't have anything
It's also an icy level just walk on the snow sheet. How are they gonna get warm? They're gonna be cold all the time
I think you know what I figured out before this I think if we had no technology almost nothing in Serbia would change
Actually, everything is cash
Everyone is self-governing and it's self self-sufficient. It's not just money though
It's so much more than just money. We also have very in I think we I'm Serbia now. We have very
Fresh doesn't fit next to the vegetables and meat. It's just for
Oh wait, no, you're right, you're right, you're right, I think.
No, not that.
Oh, you're not.
He's only too bright, I guess.
But it is the only other place where there is a lamp.
Are you standing?
I think the Balkans would be fine, actually.
As fine as they are now.
I just don't know if history and geography.
I mean, wars would probably start, but.
Yeah, certainly.
The people that don't have stuff would have the tools
to fight will still.
I want to say, oh, somebody belch is quite, Brian, is that you?
That was not me.
You're a stinky boy.
I'm a stinky duchess.
Let's go right here.
I want to say China, because they have a lot of rural land and a lot of people who know
how to do farming and stuff, but the cities are so reliant there on technology, it's insane.
Like, more than anywhere else on Earth, probably.
Wow, agreed.
Can we change the topic?
Yeah, I think that's a good idea.
Just, uh, yeah.
I love you, Daniel.
What's the first country that would cannibalize?
They would eat each other.
They were on an island.
I've had this conversation before, I don't know what that is.
No technology, guys are eating humans.
I found top of some of these head meat.
Maybe.
So it's been eaten, somebody ate part of it.
That's the country, whatever country this is from.
There you go.
Why do you think about all these things in particular, Jenkins?
What is it about these things that make you more interested in it than other things?
It's just just fantastical, you know, it's like, you know, you know, I used to love doing when I was back at home.
Just don't say cannibalism.
Not cannibalism.
I would stay up really late until like 5am.
I would go for like a walk at 3am when there was nobody around.
And I liked looking at like a mall or a building where like during the day there would be a ton of people there.
Because then I imagined like what people would be doing there.
It was in my imagination. You know what I mean? It's like a canvas
And that's what I feel like these scenarios are it's like
She ever I think I think you're it's mother now. I think that's what just how you're the mother of
Will it die again, it's dead again given a temporary life
It's broken. I feel like this piece should be obvious. It should be there's like a pink strip with a
With a bunny ear
All the pinks over there
Come on
Come on the lamp
What is something you guys think should be illegal?
But this is
Please stop
I've made a by step
I'm asking this one
Well I tried
I think going into a public bathroom
and intentionally not locking the door
should be illegal
That's almost always he said intentionally. I believe it is illegal, but most people don't you know
There's a pretty long ass either way. Yeah, we're gonna save you guys. Don't worry
You saw the timer getting closer and closer to our next series. So we're just gonna take a break and then we're back
With the series to stick around
I see it in you
Give me gold when I feel the fire strike
I work behind it, I'll lock it out
With your body and go on and on
Don't stop now
I'm on it
With your body and go on and on
Don't stop now
I'm on it
Give me the beat that's what you call it
Oh
Say, keep it cool, I wanna be your star, you're rising, I'll work it out, baby, I'll work it out
And I'm no, no more, I'm no, I'm no star, no
I'm no, no more, I'm no, I'm no star, no
I'm no, no more, I'm no, I'm no, I'm no, I'm no, I'm no, I'm no
I go home, I understand what I want and need to be there
Yes, I need to be there
I go home, I understand what I want and need to be there
I can't move on, but I'm gonna start a fight
I'm gonna keep the beat fast
I can't move on, but I'm gonna start a fight
I keep on reaching out, I keep on loving emotional
You give me, but it's not enough
I want you to open up your parts and run
You give me, but it's not enough
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
Double those I love is hard to get me right
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
Double those I love is hard to get me full night
Look at me in my eyes
I want to see my own reaction
Knowing not all you see
Keep on, keep on, listen, follow the sky
Away, my love and hide
Away, my love and hide
Away, my love and hide
All righty then, the show continues. We're actually, we're gonna have what is in my opinion
the blockbuster of the day. I think a lot of people are looking forward to this match,
Especially after Skeeter yesterday said that he feels that Nightfall is playing the best
note he's ever done and has grown so much in the last couple of months that he is just
very scary right now.
And it is Aurora vs Falcons, best of three.
I'm hyped.
I think my paddles hyped too.
They're also puzzling, as you might have gathered probably.
We are doing a challenge.
We have to finish the puzzle in about four hours total.
now two hours 45 ish in or something like that and we have to complete it
the previous shift did 99% of the puzzle before they flip the table in four
and a half four hours something I don't know exactly what it was but that means
that we have to do a better job by either 100% in the puzzle or do 99% faster
than they did so that's kind of the the challenge that we're doing at the same
time as we're seeing the challenge between Aurora and Falcons come to fruition
Did they lose their last piece or something?
No, no, so no, first of all they did flip it, they flipped the cardboard because the table is
unflippable, don't try it please.
No, what happened was, so they at some point kind of didn't like the puzzle anymore, they
didn't want a puzzle.
Sometimes that's just the case, sometimes you just don't want a puzzle, you know, and
they were going to move to not puzzle, so they listed some help, they had production
a bunch of it, but a mistake was made somewhere and they did not know where, nobody knew where.
Yeah, that's hard.
And then, it so happened to be that the pieces that they were going to put together on broadcast,
which were like seven or eight pieces or something, they didn't fit properly because there were
pieces that could have gone anywhere.
And then, they, yeah, they were so frustrated with not being able to finish strong, but they
left the table.
I think that's a totally fair explanation.
Yeah.
I'm looking for a second, I can get behind that.
Okay, thank you.
Oh, the blacks.
Uh, okay.
Any reds?
I do want to talk about this upcoming series,
and I also believe
Ryan.
Yeah.
Did you have something extra you'd like to say about this?
I don't know if you already want to do that now,
or if you want to do that now.
Uh, where am I looking?
Okay, I'm looking over here.
Uh, so this is Aurora vs. Falcons,
and for this series, I think Aurora
more of the flexible team and Falcons is more of the lay our cards on the table
You know exactly what we're gonna do and I want to show it. They're the only team picking sanking
Malrin is by far the best lane cutter mid where he isn't a bad matchup
He just does this he drags creeps four minutes in and
He drags them into neutral camps with this tanking and I want to point out this cool trick that you can use
Empty bottle charges here. That's what he's doing to keep yourself visible so the creeps don't run away from you
And he does that all the time. It's a lower cooldown than the fade time of
Sand Kings and this so you can permanently reveal yourself
This is him on the next creep wave cutting killing a courier dragging it into the next camp nearby
Forcing a support rotation and then narrowly getting out
This man has to be the best creep cutter in the entire scene and during this time bear in mind
Britt starts stacking the ancients in seven minutes and he does it every single minute
We saw it at seven, eight, and nine minutes.
And then Malrin takes this farm immediately
at the nine minute mark.
And you know, he's gonna get a massive injection,
a level, almost a whole level and a half from these camps.
And you think that's it, but no,
the camp spawns again at 10.
And then the next stack, here, Crit is again,
like clockwork, stacking the camps at 11,
stacking the camps at 12.
And then we're gonna see Malrin clearing them again
right after this.
The whole point of this draft with the Sand King is that he's playing super obnoxiously
for the first 10 minutes on your side of the map.
And then after that, they are stacking, they killed Ancient Camp from 7 minutes to 15 every
single minute.
The efficiency gain from Falcons is insane.
And I'm just looking forward to seeing how Aurora looks to deal with this.
Do they just elect to ban the Sand King as we heard Nisha say, I don't want to play against
that shit.
Or do they decide that, you know, know that enemy and to give them another shot, they've
been first picking Sand King on the side of Falcons and I'm really liking the way Aurora
bit approaching those drafts so I'm looking forward to this little bit of a
chess match we got going here. That's cool I mean if you think about how much
extra gold you're getting from the stack I don't know how much it's been nerfed but
it's close to like double the gold from that neutral camp every minute well I
guess or it's like you- it's like an extra 20 or 30% I think. It's a lot. It's a significant chunk.
And I feel like the bottle check is also updated because I feel like at TI the last
year they're using power treads a lot of times. Yeah they were. To like turn off
sandstorm because you'd switch your treads and that was the move but bottle is so
much more obvious and perfect.
For mid-thanking, I genuinely think that's why they're picking it.
It's actually crazy, like, I feel dumb for not knowing that.
I didn't know it until this.
I was wondering why he was doing it or how he was doing it.
Because this bottle thing, having no charges being able to be used, I mean, everyone who
plays Dota and has gone mid and buys bottle knows that, but it's just this stupid thing
that's seemingly useless, and turning that into something useful is incredibly cool.
It means you can go for phase boots and do the treads trick that you were talking about first
Like I genuinely think that's insanely important for why they're first picking in that's why you can cut waves
And if you can cut waves you can landing us anything if you can landing us anything you can first take it if they didn't have
That tricky what happens for the people at home just in place who isn't clear the creeps will just walk away from you
So it's like really inefficient to farm if the creeps can't see you or you have to go for a specific item to not have that happen
Which is the treads or calling blade from time to please but then you're having to run to a tree to quell in
Or if you're hitting a creep to come out of Enviz, you're having to hit a creep, which means you have to walk somewhere, like this lets you do it from anywhere.
If they come chase you, you can go to the side of your sandstorm. I'm genuinely mind-blown by that, like that makes so much sense.
That's got to be said. Somebody on Falcons discovered that, and then they were all like, holy shit, let's just try picking this, like slam picking this until it doesn't work.
I just, I wonder how you arrive, like how do you even, do you stumble on that type of stuff? Or do you just think like, okay, it's really annoying as sa- like does it start with sanking?
Like does it start with bottle or does the star was sanking? Yeah, I feel like probably sanking
I feel like sanking at some point was jungling and used bottle to heal while doing ancients and was like, oh
That everyone to me and I don't know how many times you have to do it to notice
At some point it probably happened if I do that makes sense
It's a good theory. This is 100% an owie thing where perhaps he was not the one that came up with it
Although he could have in his unranked pubs or ranked
But he was definitely presented it and he's the type of guy that takes
Like little seemingly useless mechanics like that. They can give you an advantage. He takes these very seriously. I remember
talking to him about like I think it was
Using cogs to like aggro the first wave of creeps or something
It was something something that I saw in like herald and then I started doing it in in the high-rated matches and
He legitimately was like show me like show me how to do this
Show me what and then he was like, ah, this is not that good
But he gave me the time of day like he even though obviously I'm a much lower and a more lower skill player than him
He still was the respect that like good ideas can come from anywhere
I was a game of innovation. Oh, I think it was Aiden. It might have been Quinn. I was talking to they were talking about the fact that
Low like there's like a lot of rank 500. Maybe it's even you but his rank 500 to like rank 1,000 players
There are much lower MMR than pros, but a lot of the ideas pros get are from hero spammers on that bracket
I mean, Dota Sama is like the one everyone references now because of the glimmer capes
It's just the idea that people can have very good ideas, but the fundamentals are wrong and this is why they
It's like the comprehensive, you know, view of the game
And when you see somebody else doing a great idea, but you have like overall better understanding of the game
implemented immediately but it's just like I know some of the best player I
remember being really humble or learning how humble Skeeter was back
there's it was after he won the first TI and was at the after party and he said
I watch your meta updates I was like why what do you have to learn from me and
he's like I've stumbled upon some nuggets in my time like and I was like what
like this guy's you know way more successful but these guys are really
open-minded just picking up strategies from random people genuine genuine
openness that could I could be in a it could be who they met how they grew up
but I do think that that openness is super important it's how you come up
with all these like super niche strategies and like random efficiencies
like you can't just investigate it all yourself you have to be observing
observing and curious that was always been a community game I mean even a lot
of the heroes were like essentially created by the community people complain
about this complaint about that and some of the league ones too that's a pretty
pretty much all of them but it's it's a it's interesting it's like one of the
only games in the world that can they can claim that we are like entirely
community driven but on the other side Aurora yeah I feel like Aurora has been
on a hot streak and what started as like oh you know there the honeymoon phase
is going strong, is now just a solid like, okay, they're actually really good and they got their stuff together.
I really enjoyed the Nightfall interview yesterday after day one and he just talked about it, because he said casually
before my question, he was just like, yeah, we knew we couldn't lose this game late, you know?
And then I was like, well, how do you know that?
There's a lot of factors going on in the game and he's gave like a very eloquent like, this spell gets casted, this spell gets casted,
they do this, they do that, once we get these items, they can't win.
It's just really interesting to hear his vision of the game, and I know that it feels like they're firing on all cylinders on a war.
They look like they're on the same page.
They won a game, that game particularly, they were down like 12k or something, at minute 25.
They were very far behind, and I think it's a sign of a very resilient team to be able to win games like that, that on paper they should not win.
Yeah, it's always cool to see how much pro players have the games to sell.
It just feels so simple.
For the average player, there's so many things going on.
You have to lane well, you have to harass, you have to think more form of energy.
to watch for ganks but pros are like so past all that they're like oh i know about how everything
is going to go it's really just like one or two things later the signal and the noise right Jenkins
that is absolutely signal and noise it's like they've practiced i mean it's the baseline thing
you talk about too where their baseline is so high that they can kind of see how a lot of the
things in the game are going to go like 99 percent of them and then the one percent is where they're
going to outskill which is like when the fights actually start how are they playing the fight or
what little efficiencies can they can they irk out of these tiny little mechanics that they
learned from watching the the Dota sawmas of the world you know that that one percent is where
people uh show their personality I guess it is absolutely in Dota at least probably in other
things as well I would imagine but Dota is a nice little microcosm for life well said
sharing it's well said microcosm everybody know where this piece looks it looks like it has something
Never mind if I don't drink it.
It was a very distinct.
I just had to verbalize it.
Then it goes.
And then I finally saw something that fit the pattern.
It's the same whenever you have technology that's broken.
You just need to ask somebody to look at it,
and then the technology tries to make you look stupid
and not working.
It helps if it's someone really knowledgeable
whose opinion you respect.
Yeah, exactly.
And they know you personally, and that way
you can embarrass yourself.
Yeah, and it's really important that you don't feel like you
I feel like you depend on them to fix this problem for you.
You just want to get their feedback,
but then right when they come by, you look stupid.
Yeah, that exact scenario.
I don't know what this is referencing.
No.
I have gotten like two puzzle pieces completed.
That's good.
Every little bit helps.
That's just the one.
That's two more than I expected, Jenkins.
Sorry, that wasn't necessary.
It's very hard to tell.
Some of these fit, but they don't feel like they should fit.
Yeah, but you have to be very careful about that,
That's what happens when you get to 90% because you made some mistake in the red carpet. That all looks the same
You gotta know 100%
Yeah, you're not a hundred then you yeah, if I'm not a hundred
I just remove it even if it even if I don't find another piece that goes there
Excellent one cheaper. I mean at the moment it does look like the red
What you would call it the red lamps are
Almost LEDs are done done. I say almost because that is waga mama
It is Waga, Dakota, Slax, Evil Bunny, and Mosef.
Was Evil Bunny a particular person or was it a different guy in a costume?
No, so for a while.
I'll check on the wrong.
So I think actually Evil Bunny was there before Saapanda, because this is Season 8, so this is very early.
I love how you remember that. Does it say it up there?
Yeah, this one says Season 8 or 5 even.
It might be 5. That looks like a 5.
I don't know, but it was early because I still have hair and also Slak still has hair
So it was probably 2016 2015
What do you mean you still have hair? Well, I at some point had to shave my head. Oh, I see sorry
I was like I knew the previous one because the previous one of me shorter. So then I knew it was
Okay
This is is this a baguette doesn't it look like a baguette?
Oh, you know what? It's still the legs of a tiger. No, it's the legs of the chicken feet. Oh, nice
Can I just say the chicken is the one they photo paste it in there because I don't think we had a chicken
I think I would have remembered that we had a chicken with those were the chicken's feet. Yeah, but we did not have I
Don't think we had a chicken guys
Generally my memory of these things is quite good. I think the chicken is not
That seems like something you'd remember
Yeah, I remember the bunny the bunny was this the reason why this picture is like this is because the buddy just stood there at
Some point and he scared the cheese on me like he was there for a while. No, he just appeared right behind me
Oh, teleport. Yeah. Yeah, these tiny words needed that. No, but the buddy was like standing there menacingly or yes
Oh, I got Dakotas or like a mama's back
The name of his neck his name. Yeah, that's where that's where they
Look, I got this piece right here.
That's where the human is in the-
Yeah, yeah.
When you say nape, I do immediately think you're back up.
No, straight for the nape.
Yeah, that's how you get them.
Fun, this piece, fun, nape.
This is-
Alright, we got ourselves a Dota 2 draft live.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, we do, we do.
Oh my god.
That does progress.
These are funny bands.
What's with that sniper?
Oh, I finally got this piece.
I was looking for this piece for like, at least the last 34 minutes.
What is Aurora doing, the first banning sniper?
What is it counter so badly that they want to play?
I mean, they just saw an Easter Sniper, but that's not yeah, I guess so he wasn't a game against all five ranged heroes though, so
What what?
There must be some mid hero
The color of the viper they did not ban stanking by the way
Brian, this is your chance. What are you waiting for? Oh? Oh? Oh? Oh Brian?
It's good of mine. Good of mine. You've been waiting for this the whole day. I was I was
You gotta clear it cuz oh yeah, I was gonna say you you can do it a couple times if you want while he's there cuz I don't think we're gonna have this very often as a first big
We do have a viper first big which I think
It's pretty telling of the series who use the road that their homework they want to take it
Away from Falcons just as much as they want to play it
And probably a very good hero against San King in the mid lane, I would guess yeah
So they prevent it from being picked. Yeah, and Falcons is just like, well, okay
We're gonna for the first time in this tournament and not pick San King first thing
Mm-hmm. I'm wondering if they'll still be willing to pick it later. I bet they will probably
It's looked really good and honestly, I don't know how much Viper prevents you from like cutting waves
Yeah, maybe it's hard for the first few levels, but I
Think you know you mentioned Mallory is like the best wave cutter in
In Dota, I mean he like pioneered it on primal beast. Yes, he did like he was the one that like would literally drag the wave like wave
To and just not play the lane
That was actually out of dream. He wasn't he was standing in for
Shopify I wouldn't doubt it. I wouldn't doubt like I did
Think of like the guy who broke the mid lane in terms of actually laning it was it was
Oh, they second phase banned the Sand King. They're not down to let that through.
So we saw the Shadow Demon open and kind of get broken in one of the drafts earlier, and it was all about AWE damage, basically.
That way when Disruptor saves or when Shadow Demon disrupts somebody, they're both taking damage, or at least one of them is taking damage.
Sand King was one of those heroes that did it, but Aurora doesn't want to go for it.
Maybe they're just going to play it straight up, honestly.
That was a good catch. You're incredibly good at this, by the way.
by the way no you say that you carry what's this carry the urges to oh some
pieces are saying it's easy right I have a lot of respect for you and other
things not
she very you're great at thank you that's it before you do this right it's
like her to have all the one that have black and red but not another set of
black it's a different it's a different wow it had like a slipper like that but
not that one has to be there's one more piece of pink in it guys this pink piece
right here there's like a very small sliver of pink I don't have it it just
comes with with one of those two different words there's two stacked on
top of each other maybe it's one of those oh is it this one yeah the pink is in
the two stacked on top of each other all right our bands of red pink are mostly
finish I think there might be a little bit here but it's like a small oh oh my
god wow I mean one more I think there's like a small corner of pink right here
because this one kind of greenish no the kory heroes are out he will not play
warlock he will not play phoenix what's the last one birds what's the kory
special it's Mars it's not Mars um not warlock and it's not Phoenix he has one
more here you play melee girls do you know I don't remember he has one more
hero what about some like Chen or something no it's banned oh okay I now
I remember.
You did it.
It's Jakiro.
Ah, yeah.
I have seen it before.
These were his guys.
I mean, Jakiro has fallen off of it.
Jakiro went through a period of like super popularity, and I feel like people forgot that
K-Roy was picking this shit before it was super popular, but it's one of his three,
the big three, so he will take it.
I mean, it's wondering it's not good right now, but it's laying me a solid.
It has some area denial against the Mars, which is okay,
as you can reflect some damage effectively
if your ally gets gone.
And it kind of works behind Viper.
But, yeah, they're not revealing much.
We'll see what their third pick does, though.
Any time I see SD support,
especially if the next support coming out has lack of
disable, I would say all the spirits look really nice.
For Morn off, the worm is probably the number one.
Puck as well, it's, how does the imprision into spear work against Puck?
Is that a guarantee?
Is it like the Yule spear?
I would imagine it is, right?
Yeah, like if you're coming out of the disruption with the spear on top of you, I think it's
a guaranteed stuff.
Maybe, I mean, even still, if that's the only disable, like a falcon's blunders and they
they go for some like enchantress type hero that has no disabled. You can slam out the
spirit for Aurora. I feel like they'll cover for it though. Snake King's been playing a
lot of Shadow Shaman.
Husk is still in the pool too, depending on what Karrie Skeeter wants to play. If he's
like a ranged guy. Husk is always pretty nice.
I think you might go for the Abaddon or something like that because it's nice against Viper, it's nice against Ursa.
Like I'm, okay, you know what? I'm actually gonna say this because we saw them pick Viper yesterday and
obviously still win against the Abaddon. I'm wondering what Falcons, since they know Viper, are probably better than anyone else.
What's like the carry pick against Viper? Yeah, that's a good call. I feel like SF works well against it.
You should get it. Knock him far enough away. That's not that big of a deal.
I mean, Windranger is really good against Windranger, but I don't know how much Eater is feeling like playing the carry Windranger right now.
I mean, he's died before, right?
But just doesn't scream to me like this is Eater classic hero.
But his hero pool has been incredible in this tournament, so I can see him doing it.
I mean, it's good against Viper and Ursa.
Biggest hero pool.
The biggest?
It was the biggest on his team, either way.
It was, I think, 11 or 12 in 16.
11 or 12? I think it was 11 in 16 matches.
That's very impressive. Which is very high. I mean you can clock win the range carry to play with clock work
Usually what you want to range carry?
Play with this hero. The SF would be great for some band
Do you ever go draw?
Hmm, I don't necessarily like it against first. Yeah, I think it's risky against her so
Because you can like cut away a little bit, but still vulnerable. That's probably Lina mid
0-3, Lina mid.
Is that all from Falcons or somebody else?
Do not know.
But Falcons, sorry they do have obviously Malrina level 30, so he would be level 30 Lina,
which you know, if he thinks it's a good Lina game, it might just be.
Well, I'm wondering if the 0-3 is Falcons.
No, I think, I don't know.
Malrina lost one game, he lost one game with it.
Yes, probably overall.
I was thinking about the fact that they picked Ursa this early in the draft.
I really think Ursa is like a snowball hero and that's it.
And if you're off to a really good start, then the hero feels nice.
I'm just, I'm wondering how good his start is going to be against Shadowed Evenmars.
That is a bit of a concern for me.
I'm also going to keep an eye out if Mal'Reen goes for an early Silver Edge.
Not like first item or anything, but like third, fourth item, you know,
like maybe one item into BKB Silver Edge because it counters Sentorulty.
And you get locked to 200 movespeed.
And it counters Viper, you break him.
And Ursa.
And he actually breaks the Ursa.
He can't kill you because he has the Fury Swipes.
I was thinking that Silver Edge was going to be such a popular item
that heroes like Centaur and Darkseer would be unplayable
because yeah, you're the same hero for the first 30 minutes,
but removing a hero's like global...
Or like...
It's a key spell for both of these heroes,
Centaur as well as Darkseer.
Just to keep, just to be clear, they added it to Silver Edge, I think it's 0.40,
that it captured movement speed at 200, it's not as slow.
So it works on like Weaver's Akuchi and Darkseer and Centaur.
And like, and yeah, like a lot of, a lot of things in the game.
I mean, even a hero like Razor suffers, like any fast move speed hero that like wants to run at you.
I honestly think it's good enough that like every carry will eventually start going for Silver Edge.
We're seeing it more and more, and I was just thinking about like a,
Lena like I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with like male. Does he go right-click?
I'm not sure on this patch. Okay, because if he goes right-click
I wouldn't be surprised if there's like a maelstrom hurricane pike because you have to buy that against Ursa and then silver
I would say if your if heaters your carry and he's like the guy that's enabling
Semi-carry probably Malrin will go for right-click Lena mid. I mean both versions of Lena do scale well
So it's not like you're losing the scalability, but I feel like you would want to lean out right click
I just feel like a silver edge satanic leg game you know to kind of stick here. What do you think purge?
I think you do from the mid lane
I mean just covers your the vapor matchup
I think it just makes the most sense to me and they are banding carry heroes against falcons
So I just feel like it's Lena mid
He's extremely covered between the shadow demon the clockwork and the Mars like Lena with those three heroes is excellent
It just makes a lot of sense. So they just need like a hard carry that gives them some
Variety is just not all in.
Hmm.
All clings would make a big difference.
Variety and something that's like good against Centaur and lane.
I'm playing Centaur. What do I hate playing against?
I mean Gyro kind of...
Gyro irritates me.
I mean, I really don't like Gyro when you have a farming mid.
Yeah, I don't either.
It's hard to get something that's good in the lane and then also fits for the game.
But like TA or something is it to charity between the NTA probably doubling down
Yeah, it's you. Yeah. Yeah, where?
Fair point. Not so much usually
Go for the line. All right Mira's line excellent good for setting things up gives them another layered disable
Makes jacquero better makes centaur better. What about
Like Omni Knight if I'm centaur I'm any way down big meaty guys don't like playing against Omni carry
I was thinking like if we're going off meta'd be TB
But other than that I'd say on me night. I think I'm in that section quite nice or or if Skeeter just wants to pick out this classic life stealer
It's like the easy
Non-crazy counter to Santar and Lane. It's not really you're not gonna beat Santar and Lane just because I think the heroes like but you don't
Get booted out. Yeah, it's walking go rotate through portal. Okay. They do go win. Okay. I
I don't mind that. I mean, I really do think his pick was be a strong laner like that was the
criteria and
Malorin I think is the main carry of this of this lineup. I think win ranger and lino. Yeah, they're both like ranged turrets, but
They don't they don't feel the same. You know, when he's not sitting in farming jungle. She's getting active
Yeah, the leaner can just be the one that's on the other side of the map
Do she can enter fights here?
Yeah, well like so Lena can be the one that plays in the back like you play different positions in the fights
You can also be very independent as well because if there isn't a stun
She does not die easily to Viper or Ursa in this game like there has to be like stunner plus those damage healers
So I just feel like she's gonna be way more independent than most carries would be I
Honestly think I would choose Aurora's draft if I wasn't looking at ATF on Mars like this guy
Just no matter what happens on Mars
I just see he has a good unless he's in like a super hard counter matchup
Which Ursa is not because Mars is one of the higher he has above 150 attack range for a melee hero
And he has two spacing spells. So he's actually pretty good
He's not like a traditional like melee hero counter by Mars if you're good enough does not lose lanes
Yeah, because he has two spacing spells and they're also both nukes for the wave and Ursa is honestly quite a weak laner
Unless you can't do anything to him. Yeah, he becomes he's either like a one out of ten laner or like a ten out
But to be clear, you're saying like, if it wasn't a Mar, you're also looking at like a Viper on the enemy side, which shits on Mars as a hero.
Like breaking him, ulting him in the Mars ult, you can't kill Viper with Mars ult.
I think he's going to get the early yules and be impactful on the map and draw a lot of space, and then that's his job this game.
They have Lena, Windranger.
But if Aurora gets ahead and they start like diving these like Windrangers and Linus and they can't like stabilize, it could be really bad for them too.
Absolutely, yeah.
I agree with that.
And they have a lineup that can set up for early aggression like that?
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
They've lined for it.
They've got Centaur.
They can run up these squishy backliners with their heroes.
And they want to.
They think that that's something that they have been doing.
So it's like, it's their playbook.
It does.
I think this is exactly what Brian said earlier.
You have Aurora that, in my opinion, has better draft than your Falcons,
who has a Falcons draft.
So because of the team matchup, it's really hard to call any other team.
This would be Aurora, like, easy dub.
But that's the way we like.
we like to see the style of Aurora reflected in the draft and we'll hopefully be reflected in the
play versus the style of Alcantus reflected in the draft and hopefully also reflected in their
play. Let's see who comes out of up to the top with that one with Sansven and Cinderant.
Greetings! Salutations! Sunspan here. Cinderant. Bringing you the delectable treat. Two undefeated teams.
What's that?
I'm something sane?
The Wikipedia says it.
The Falcons, the person's aurora.
We're gonna have this music be zooming on Samtum.
Is the wrong team, other teams, on the top?
Find them, down to the other side.
Don't stop until you get finds Samtum.
Keep up the music, don't stop it.
I'm watching bananas and pigeons. There we go. Or teletobbies. There it is. Teletobbies! Yay!
That's the fun. It's the best set in the game, ladies and gentlemen. Congratulations,
man. You get your set. WS. Good choice, my friend. There's something about the Carrier
Wheel being a demonic axe that just seems just in place for Dota. Very good. You've seen the one
where the headpiece is missing and the defaults are? That's funny. That's funny because then it
it becomes meta, then it becomes making fun of it, making fun of Dota, you know?
Anyway, you know what stood out to me during the picks, or during the hero selection screen
when all the players are loading in?
A mar actually took Bloodsport, which is a facet that you and I, we've been talking
about this with mar, as people tend to never take that right now.
Every game we've cast so far has been Victory Feast, and usually when I look at Bloodsport
I think, okay, you're picking this because you're countering saves like shallow rave or shadow demon or whatever so they can't see
There's no saves here. I really wonder what the rationale is or if he just forgot
Is it because three of the heroes are gonna be impossible to kill?
So he doesn't expect to get healed anyway or yeah
Because only activists when you kill somebody in there, right? Yeah. Oh, somebody dies in there
I mean, that's kind of a very negative way of thinking about the game is I'm gonna arena and we can't kill them
Yeah, you have wind ranger Lena. You're gonna kill people in arena. I think so. I don't know. It's a little bit of a weird one
Does it face? Thank you
Weird can also be positive
Yes unique positively weird
But considering how fast you said that it really sounded like it came from the heart so I do appreciate that
another pause sec says Amar all right your second has passed her Aurora was three out
of the four bounties by the way usually you're very quick to count those yeah interesting draft
though the panel seemed to be overall favoring Aurora I think the Windranger last pick is very
very good this game so until that point I was probably in agreement with it but with Skidder
on Windranger as the last pick I am quite hopeful for Falcon you're playing Windranger into Ursa
one of Ursa's worst matchups, carry to carry. She can run you down, you can't do anything about
Windrun until you get MKB. So she can outlast your own survivability and just beat you with
Focus Fire lasting 20 seconds. And same against Viper, one of the better carries of killing Viper
just overwhelming single target damage. I like that pick a lot. What I'm mostly curious about
though is how does Lena fair against Viper mid? Like sometimes your framework is outdated a little
bit I would think Lena can win this lane. Win or survive? Win. Historically Lena is
one of the few heroes that can beat Viper in lane. I don't know if that's the case anymore
though that's what I'm curious to find out. Lornoff is putting on the beating power of
the game. So WS on the best side of the game with the first blood? Well deserved. Oh Malrin
is currently not winning against Lornoff he's extremely low and Lornoff is being very
impressive in it. Yep, KLR8 put into the tower and a moron company snag
themselves a kill. How many? I don't know, I feel like I say this every game we
cast a hero. Why does a hero always die level one? It's like every game. Maybe the
hero sucks and nobody knows that. They're just playing so aggressive because
they want to leverage their strength and they always overestimate themselves until
level two. Hero's not that insane until level two. Anyway, it doesn't look like...
Yeah, he did get caught by a spear from the Mars player in the world.
Yep.
I mean, this weapon in the spear is strong, of course.
This is his OG hero.
This is what gave him claim to fame, Cinder.
On Mars.
Indeed.
The one and only.
When was the last time Malrin played this?
Yeah, it's...
He plays.
It feels like he brings it out once or twice every tournament.
So, it's like a...
Or maybe not literally every tournament, but...
Close two, gotta keep enemies on their toes in terms of the flex potential.
I just think this is a targeted pick at Viper, more so than anything.
I don't think Lina's good against anything else, really.
She's not good against Ursa, and she's not good against Tentaur.
These heroes that are very mobile get on top of you in first few.
It's not her cup of tea.
Well, it's not the best start for Malorraine.
Got Lornoff, 14 and 5.
He's had a great tournament so far.
one for Mal-Rain, usually getting this CS just via spells with the Dragon Slave.
Well, it's interesting, it seems like a 1-0-2 on Lina here. I thought maybe you would get
two points in Dragon Slave so you can reliably last with the Range Creep and then transition
into Jungling. Kind of treated like a Huskar situation. He's 2-0-2 now, so...
I always wonder this, because I'm not sure if they put a Sentry anywhere. Is it not
worth it if you're going to get wrecked like this early on to just have a support, bring
a couple centuries and just find that ward for Viper. Because having that vision seems
pretty insane with that hero.
There's just a stock limit on Centres in the beginning of the game. You only have three
and you're going to use one to block or open in the off lane. So as an example if you look
at Aurora's top lane right now they've used both their, excuse me, Falcon's top lane,
they've used both of their Centres. They've used one to block big camp and they've used
one to open small camp. So if you're using two there, you have one left for mid. If you
miss the one mid, you have none bottom. And if you hit the one mid, that's great. That's
going to help Lena, but still you want it bottom to open the big camp, which is what
they've done down there. You can see all their sentries have already been put to use. So
kind of a limiting factor. I would agree 100% if you had infinite sentries to start, you
should just buy more for a bigger socket for the release.
Even with the camera, battery spots, doing quite a bit.
Shackle, slows him a bit and...
No way, right?
Yeah, he hasn't pale back up. I think he might be okay.
Power shot misses as well.
Okay, that's...
That's very, very good news for the side of Aurora.
Oh, that's a little...
The other good news is he went the fist of death facet.
Yeah, if you love that.
Our favorite.
Just wanted to mention that.
Yeah, if you love Lion.
I mean, I love the facet.
Hmm?
Because it turns into another hero?
Haha.
Wait, what's that give you that hex icon?
I haven't seen that before.
For Lion?
Yeah, what's that hex?
Hmm.
Is that...
Huh.
Horns of the betrayer, I guess?
The helm?
Oh, no, I thought I had stuff in Psychogs again.
Powershot again missing.
Surely this time they get him.
No, they still don't.
They didn't use the Blood Grenade.
Unless the Powershot comes through.
Amar actually goes down in the bot lane.
now blood grenade turn around potential on the snaking another and pale another
well he actually did hit the power shot this time so finally cleans up the lion
that pesky pile of garbage snaking barely gets out with his life
a little bit of a tip war between skater and Mira mirror tip and personally
missed the power shot this drop is gonna set up the spear into the tree
Nightfall has to try to overpower and try to turn this around onto Crit.
He gets taken out first. Crit does fall, but definitely a trade in favor of Falcons,
and now the battle over the Lotus.
Kaori, oh, doing a good job of blocking it.
With his double head, and more very frustrated.
That's enough.
This is when Jakira starts getting really scary. Level four early.
It's going to do a ton of damage to them.
And in the meantime, in middle, T.D.
It's been a while since we've seen Malrin this deep in the dump.
Yes, he is very strong.
We're going to set up LSA if they want to try it for it.
They don't. It's just a Dragon Slay D and go LSA.
No.
3.0 too.
As, yeah, Amar left to his own devices because of that rotation, and I pull, taking full advantage.
Yeah, Falcons are a kind of evil.
2K lead already.
This is really interesting because going into today. I was I'm sure you would agree with this
It's like it's group stage number two Falcons are heating up. We saw them play very well yesterday
It was like okay. Are they back in top form is the group stage one gonna be misrepresentative of their strength
But they're gonna Aurora are they get both running the show right now both shrines for Aurora
And Lena not a good comeback hero if you have this bad start
You're gonna need to jungle. It's already bad news. You can see Mal'Reen's skill build
In a moment. I wish I could actually kill here now. I'm gonna call it off
Mal'Reen's 303 build on Lena. So
that's the jungle build you just max your passive and
Dragon slave and you hit creeps. No interest in fighting whatsoever
This basically opens up the map for Aurora to make moves because there's no mid laner in the game
Now, they don't necessarily know he doesn't have a Laguna Blade, but you can't punish them.
Very slow start for Falcons, who, like you said, have been powering up lately, but Aurora have been powering up more than any other team.
For sure, snaking.
Initially gets gone on.
My point is level 6.
How fast they want to try for Roche this game.
Their tower push is kind of a mark.
Again, it's a level-scrooge hero and a lion.
Easy kill.
Carol will take that.
Yeah, this is the problem.
When you give up both Wisdoms and you're losing your lanes, you're in for a rough one.
WS, he was the top net worth not too long ago.
And this is going to be a very good pick up for Falcons.
It's worth more than the Mar.
I could have lived if he stampeded before clock connected, but again, I mean, we're just taking advantage of these rotations.
Mid tower almost gone, bottom tower is gone, and Jaquiro will not hesitate.
Just keep laying on the pain. They're going to see the stacks here too, and they're going to see Crit.
He is gone.
Here we now. It's level six, so finger ready to go.
This is a crazy support kill squad.
Lion level 6, Jikir level 6, Minut 9.
These two can go around the map killing any hero they want.
Nobody is safe, they can 100-0 Mars.
The other two heroes have 1000 HP each.
Gonna make quick work of that.
And this mid tower is gone now too,
if we'll just hit it twice.
Yep, and with that...
If I get a Nightfall...
Exactly, they're gonna try to go to jungles
to find the Polina,
but they find a lowly clockwork instead.
Easy food for Nightfall.
3k lead now for Aurora. This map is going to get very small, very fast.
Jekiro surely will start poking their heads up top.
Yep, they've been scouting. Falcons have been stacking like crazy lately.
If they can steal this, which I think they just will, crit.
Trying to leech a bit.
The macro fire are going to do a lot of work here with another toxin as well.
Well, Crinn, with a destruction though, Mal'Rain hitting the creeps.
Rocket Flare is going to slow them a bit, but Aurora, what they came for essentially, Lornaff now Shield Rune. Unkillable.
Ten and a half minutes in, Amar working on phase boots.
A rare sight.
Top tower is dead by the way.
Link, can you miss it?
Level 7 Jikiro?
Yeah, Aurora have definitely come to play today.
Without any...
We don't have any insider information.
Hold that thought.
Focus fire, set up by the shackle.
Mira.
Still inside the cogs.
making still level 5 only.
I have a finger.
They do.
They will use it onto Malarita, looks like.
He gets the kill onto Mira.
WS will hookstomp with the help of his creep
into the Viper Strike.
And that is the big kill for Aurora.
Skeeter.
No windrun for five.
Yeah, anything.
Ice path.
Let's get Chant.
It's a windrun, but now he's super slow.
Center of Kinking.
Most of them, I shackle on everyone, but they'll blow to a crawl and miss uphill, snaking,
gets the cogs off.
Okay.
Nice tangle there, shackling all three heroes and the creep.
Will keep himself alive, but it's a small victory in a game that is all Aurora.
Of course, the biggest winner in all of this, I say that all three, look at their course,
it's beautiful how close they are in net worth, all three of them having excellent games
simultaneously within striking distance a hundred gold a part first is gonna get
a fast battle here and I was like he's gonna be the big winner here but they're
all big winners everyone is so far ahead of the opposition nice stun there for
Miro will back off
that's the battle theory about to be completed actually still 500 away
I guess Nightfall has been walking around a little too much.
Still a really good timing though.
13 minutes phase, Battle Fury is completely fine.
With one death.
And WS, the Crimson Guard, soon.
And Boots of Travel for Lornoff into an Aghanim Scepter.
So we're going to see Nose Dive.
I think that's actually an interesting thing to look at here as Nightfall's gameplay this game so far.
this game so far because you point out we sometimes see faster battle spirit
from him maybe a minute minute and a half earlier but this seems like a just a
direct change of play style where old nightfall would just stay in lane and
keep farming yeah and he's been way more active as a blade
Hawkins are gonna find a little bit of food here Laguna blade used on the
jacquero I don't know if that was needed but snaking looks to be the sacrifice
Hawkins posturing is if they want to continue not sure if that's the case
mirror. It's hit by the power shot. We'll get a de-ward for his troubles.
That was a decent trade for Valkyries at the very least. Jekiro had a four kill
stream, so you're trading your clockwork away to give a decent chunk of gold over
to Malrin that desperately needs it. He's eyeing up a first item shadow blade on the
Mina. Gonna play, I'm assuming, right-click style with this rather than
the agged spilt that malarina has been known to favor full-on spilt burst with flank poke is
this another smoke attempt at taking the wisdom might be going for a mar instead or both they jump
right on top of them finger dead lauren off with the boots of travel and yeah they're going to
contest this big time yeah there's no way falcons defend this all four wisdoms are going to go
Aurora as well they're giving this one to lauren off trying to get him faster level 12 i like that
choice instead of giving two supports. When your supports are already having this good
games their levels are not that important but getting those level two ulti's on cores
and just keep them all in is very very strong. The fun thing about this game is that it kind
of feels like Falcons are getting falconed. Like they're being, the enemy team is playing
strong lanes and they're just recognizing that they can keep running at them and they're
They're just doing it earlier than Falcons tend to do.
There's this kind of Falcons,
many of their games go like this,
after the 15, 20 minute mark.
It's happening to them from the seven minute mark.
Yeah, it's like outpacing them.
Well, they wanna add to the pace now, apparently,
with this smoke.
Mira, would be the easiest kill.
Would it be satisfactory though?
Inside the cogs Laguna played, he is dead.
Where TP's icepack though, might not be a free one for Falcons. Hookshot, in the hit the teammate. Attempted TP, looks like he's gonna be fine.
Oh, no. Looks like he's dead.
Yeah, sure looks like it.
Didn't buy a fairy fire, Senator.
He might have survived it one year.
So that ends up being a one for one, not the...
Falcons obviously looking for something a little bit more valuable, like these top three
networks you see on that left side of the screen.
Any of those.
The problem is, like we talked about in the beginning, they are all quite tanky and off
kills.
Yeah, that's another Falcons-esque thing about the draft, right?
Aurora picking heroes that are hard to kill.
Falcons have more fragile heroes than usual.
Windranger and Lena, they can die very quickly if they get caught by anything.
Lena in particular is exceptionally glass cannon-y.
Who is this team?
Yeah.
Where did they come from?
This is crazy.
It's really fun to see just how much better they improved, seemingly out of nowhere, or
it's just gone...
It aligned with the stand in Lorna.
Yeah.
Which begs the question, what is this?
actually gonna happen with that roster officially because that's very awkward
I mean you can't ignore this kind of success
Mark? Well they know there's okay he does know, smart boy
Alright, just gonna go for the good old-fashioned Roche as the rest of the team will zone
Rocket Player was already used so it's gonna be 10 seconds before Falcons can check the HP on this
They're going to recognize this perhaps yet. They're backing on or on a couple of them.
Getting better through replacements. There comes the mark.
He does have Blake. There's the arena.
Onto several heroes. Spear completely misses.
Laguna Blake for Mira. That's the first kill in Falcons way.
But Roche gets taken out. Nightfall with the Aegis. A good attempt from snaking.
Not able to finish the job though.
Hurricane onto Amar. Back into the double edge from WS.
Double kill for Skeeter though as they try to exit.
Two for one to start this is now being pursued by Nightfall.
A late game blood grenade from Crit.
Actually enough to help him get the one life.
So basically a three for two.
Not bad for Falcons.
Yeah, it was really close snaking taking that Aegis.
Considering this was going to happen regardless that they were getting the Roche,
I think trading evenly there is excellent.
Yeah, it's not a big gold or XP change but getting the Aegis out of the hands of Aurora will
Potentially make it more possible for you to contest the torment in two minutes, which is the big picture here now imagine
It's a spear here. Yeah, like maybe things are different
See how close it was
That's the stun. I actually picked it up pretty fast and I follows very quick
You saw the the value of the crimson guard from centaur as well windray and you had to wait really long before she could start doing damage
And the Shadow Blade saving Maloreen.
So a lot of items coming in clutch for both teams.
Linkin, you missed it, Amar dead again.
His signature hero.
I can't remember the last time I've seen him have such a rough start on the Mars.
Yeah, we've talked about this one in cast of Falcons before that I feel like their win
rate is the lowest when Amar is bottom net worth of their cores.
That's when they lose most of their games that they lose.
So credit to Aurora for really shutting him down, like he has no game here.
In spite of that, like you said, he did find a cool arena there in the pit, but he has
no staying power.
He's lacking that extra item that you usually see on him here, like a Eul's.
Just not available.
An LP kitty, not even close to either item.
He's starting to work on the Eul's now.
At this point in time, at 90 minutes, you should have blinked Eul's on his third item
way. Sneaking step. Finding trouble for himself on the right side of the map.
Another Shadowblade first item today. Into a Silver Edge, so...
It's a good answer Viper.
Yeah, breaking corrosive skin is nice. I mean, now that we remember about the change
to the move speed. Wait. Yeah, that's still Beretsch with Azir, right? Against Stampede.
Pretty damn good. Yeah, it's very good against Stampede. You cap their movement speed at 200
for 5 seconds when you hit the move speed. Oh, the air doesn't fully connect. Rebuke to follow.
Yeah, still surviving. Power shot, not gonna clip it. 20 minutes, you know what that means.
Yep, it means smoke and wait for Falcons to run into you and kill them all.
Nice from Amar though, killing off the travel creep from Viper, so now Lornav has to do
the long run, and Crit is trying to cut him off.
Rocket player scouting out the tormentor.
I think Nightfall is going to wait for this rocket player to fade, and then he's just
going to get to work, and this is so fast for Ursa.
So I feel like Thalkin's kind of did what they cut there, it's just not enough.
9K the lead, Shard going the way of Jekiro.
Kinda good on Lion in this game, so I don't know which one you would rather have.
He only has level 1 monodrain though.
But that's not the best.
Almost...
10K against Falcon's Minute 20 is a rare sight.
This is a very, very dominant performance from Aurora.
It ain't no fluke for Aurora, that's for sure.
They have one of the most impressive scorelines in like last something like 40 games
that we've seen in
Dota history almost they have a ridiculous win-loss. I don't remember how good it is, but
So that doesn't help you much. How can's get both wisdom friends. That's their first two of the game
There's now rain
Okay, with help of the arena from the mar they're able to kill off Kayori start this WS or 8 half HP that crimson doing work, but
the numbers are in favor of falcons so they clean up pretty nicely here but the
Viper TPing right onto the pine cone nice disruption as nightfall comes from
the south though to eat up Malrin. Such a cool hero pairing having travels
together with Centaur. Centaur can protect Viper with Stampede and Viper
can protect Centaur with travels so they're kind of globally playing for
each other. You see that here. I think yeah, travel's uncooled on earlier. If you connect
to this play faster on the Viper by porting onto the bank, this could have been so much
better for them, but it's still, but all said and done, they do take down the Rune. It is
a win for Falcons training evenly every time right now when you're this far down.
Yeah, we're not making any meaningful. They're not either back in. No, you're not really progressing
just yet but you're staying in it which is better than most teams would do under
these circumstances this is an exceptionally difficult game to win
for the dire lineup already and you know as this game progresses talked about
Windranger as a good carry this game against the radiant lineup skater is
currently four zero and one against Viper and Ursa but the problem is the way
Windranger wins against these heroes is counterable with net worth like you can
solve the problem very easily with the correct item purchases on both heroes
and they are acting accordingly. I'm assuming Ursa will buy MKB next and Viper is tanking
up a PQB. Oh they find a bar again. Yeah he is. Gets off to the arena.
That's a problem. Let's stop. Goodbye. No chance. Meanwhile, this time the map,
Nightfall showing off his newly picked up, but he's got a Nightfall away. Successfully,
Kailuri dead. It's a 1-4-2. I was actually going to mention this and he beat me to it. I think
for our cast, that's the first nightfall nightfalling away. Oh, oh god, the wind run. Yeah, finger of
death. Goodbye skater. So, punched him, Aurora. Beasting it up right now. So, that's got to be
one of the greatest honors for position five, right? Just to have nightfall TP out in front of you.
Yeah, it gives your team a buff.
Yep, it's the...
The funny thing is, with the team basically getting there five seconds back, he could have stayed.
Yes, Lee.
More than likely.
But that's what baited Falcons to go further.
Oh, they got him on a sent train.
Yes, hacked into Viper Strike.
Destruction is there from Crit, though. Lornaff doesn't mind being in the midst of all this.
Pops a BKB, focusing all his efforts now on the range.
What was that range?
Huh.
lost the screen actually so Laguna takes out Lyon saying I have the better
single target burst same spell how is that in range
Dota still surprises me sometimes with ranges oh yeah he has extra
tumblers but I feel like it's even out of the range of that that's what's
crazy but yeah the tumblers probably explains it 125 on that the key knight
version well up here later great man was not expecting this out of game one I
thought this would be a close affair throughout I believe it's Falcons to
win this series I thought they were really leveling up we really yeah we
need to stop doubting Aurora if we know that's the thing though if we continue
to doubt them they're just gonna win the tournament okay we have the power do you
want them to win? I don't know. I mean, it would be hilarious for Nightfall to win.
Yeah. Hilarious is the sort of choice there. Okay. Oh, this would be a tier one
tournament. So yeah, that's true. We have to really put us in our place. Okay,
they're gonna try everything onto said Ursa. Nightfall though, gets
stampeded away. BKBs to stay safe. And now, Lornaf with the help of Mira. Take
out Maureen. Amar as well. What looked like a promising opening for Falcons,
just shut the door immediately by Aurora. This is an all chat taunt that doesn't get
used as much as you would think it would. Just all chatting how much damage you did
to the enemy. Jekiro did 1,300 total damage to Mars.
Oh.
Shot, hook shot there, both of them hit him, Peter pops the BK very early, not taking any chances.
That is a big kill on the Viper, it's going to cost them one.
That's the Windranger vs Viper in action.
What's that?
That's the Windranger vs Viper in action, you can see why this pick is good.
Yeah.
If Falcons hadn't been smashed so much in the first ten minutes, things could have looked quite differently,
but frankly they just got outplayed everywhere.
They lost mid horribly, Lyper against Lena.
Or Lena gets Lyper.
And Centaur was very far from top and Ursa was destroying Marr's bottom together with Chikiro,
which is the least surprising outcome for me was bottom lane.
I think that's just one that Falcons are expected to lose on paper and a Marr again.
Every time he shows...
Yep, not having a game.
Get's cooked.
That was death number nine.
Oh my god, I was thinking 7 for some reason. 9?
Yep.
And the TP and Mal'Reen here, they do not want a true full on fight. They want a skirmish where they can outnumber,
but Aurora are playing tight and they can obviously travel in their Viper whenever and
they can kill Roche again.
Gonna walk into a rocket flare. I don't think they care.
If Falcon's there to fight this, I think Aurora more than happy to oblige.
And Belch, no Mars, no fun, but they're gonna try.
And Rocket Flare, I mean this might be a last-bitch effort, because this game is just already out of hand.
Power Shack is a little vision as well, Mal'Reen.
Cover of Shadowblade, we do have to hurry though.
Nightfall, pops the enrage, gets the kill, gets the goodies.
They're not gonna fight.
So Falcons were only posturing.
Yeah, definitely the right call to not go in there, that would have been a disaster.
Well, I feel like it might at this stage it might be worth a clockwork. That's right. He could have tried to steal it
I'm fine with that, but if they take the fight, I think lose the game
That may have already happened there's a slight hope, but yeah, it's definitely not looking great for them Aurora have been
Gaining by the minutes
Let's say
Stampede to try to help them. WS gets right in the thick of things
We're gonna fill up that clockwork and Skeeter cannot finish the Viper, so it's got plenty of HP, in fact.
I think Skeeter might have... or excuse me, snaking might have just saved the Viper.
I think the Cogs knocked him away from Windranger instead of pulling him in.
No, Amar... Not again!
Oh, they finally got a target.
Mal range the bigger target.
Or Amar, rather, is basically a creep at this point.
That's a little bit insulting. He has a gem, though.
Oh, yeah, he's a very valuable creep. He's a creep with a jet. So I'm with the courier. Blank, no TP for 8 though.
Mira is scouting him with a courier while dead. He's gonna find him. Oh my god. Oh my god. What can't this thing do?
Oh, he's fine. He's fine. That's still a sick play though. That is hilarious. Very quick presence of mine to go scouting there.
Didn't work. Gem saved.
Yeah, I'm R-dropped it.
He didn't want to have it anymore.
It's like I'm not safe.
Yeah, all the people to put Gem on, probably not the guy that has nine deaths.
Yeah, fair.
Well, there's a worst target.
Snake King does have 11.
Yeah, second lowest death in the routine is the Shatterdee,
man, the lowest is Windranger.
Not often that you see cores have almost two-digit deaths,
and shattered him as three. Generally he takes the bullet for the team, but
Crit isn't deep going to be running the gem.
Samara, you escaped? Death once.
You need to be very careful here.
Young man.
Young man.
You put on your young man voice.
Tier two.
For Aurora, two and a half minutes on the Aegis.
Interesting to be nightfall, not going for the MKB at all yet.
He teaches you how to pose.
He wants a arm.
won't get him though slippery Mars
regardless to get that tower thanks to Lorna
and Lorna I mean doesn't have a shard yet so
Their building push is not crazy. It's like jikiro pretty much
What is the opting for here Mira?
Is this Amar's deck number 10 by any chance? Valarine does snipe Mira
It will be at the cost of his own life. The host knob is actually dodged
Good attempted TP and yeah, I think they both get out. Well played by snaking there. That's clutch
Amar could not do so though. 10 deaths now.
Four staffing lean out and then they both TP away when the hoof stomp misses.
But as you said, it's still...
The best moments for Falcons are where they don't lose in this game.
I don't feel like they've had a single win in the last 15 minutes.
And if they did, it was such a small one that it's not really noteworthy.
And if you look at the graphs, you can tell the story.
This is a very stable overall gold progression here from the side of Aurora.
No real drops here. There's a couple of like small dips, but they immediately pick it back up every time.
So Falcons aren't really progressing...
...in the game.
That could help.
Yeah, that's a lot of damage. Focus fire, Skeeter.
Oh, no, they're gonna...
Lord of the...
Oh, yeah, I guess the help from Mira pops the BKB, runs away.
Skeeter now has to pop his own.
I think the nightfall arena is going to give him some cover, so Skeeter gets away, nightfall
though, probably will run into Amar.
Nice timing on the BKB.
And Bashir, Amar, your death tool will now equal snakeings at 11.
Probably not worth killing a lion for, but at this point they're almost worth the same
I guess.
That's not that much to do.
Just don't really have much to do afterwards as a team with him dead.
Now, Rean...
Yeah, he can try to kill Centaur.
He's not going to be successful.
No, he will not.
So he's just going to kill the wave, but...
Ooh.
Will it cost him?
That force is going to be here.
Yeah, it does.
Good enough for WS.
Follow the W.
WS will have his agonim scepter now as bottom nightfall takes care of snaking.
How much extra range does the kart give? It's like 200?
Does that seem right? I actually don't remember at all.
Typically you want it on range here, but I know it does work relatively okay on
Ursa, but it doesn't actually say, huh?
Yeah. Fine Valve, keep your secrets.
Maybe it's Gaben's favorite hero, he doesn't want people to know.
His favorite here is Sanching and Weaver syndrome. Don't you know that article from literally 12 years ago?
Yeah, definitely people can't change in 12 years as we've established. Yeah, I've loved Centaur since go to once
Truth is in the pudding
If you love pudding for 12 years
Who doesn't?
Psychopath. Isn't pudding a little overrated?
What is it?
Pudding?
What?
What do you mean overrated?
It's like, it's good, but...
What is it rated?
It's not like you're going to a fancy restaurant.
Would you like pudding on that, sir?
No, that's not a thing.
I don't think the waiters are 85, generally the waiters aren't 85.
Like pudding with your steak?
Okay, that's one way to make it worse at least.
Your well done steak!
Yeah, let's take this hypothetical to the extremes. The 85 year old waiter asked you
if you want pudding on your well done steak. That's good.
But no, I would say it's not overrated. It's fine. No one's raving about pudding.
No, you're probably right. It's like, people consider it good, but not great. And that's
probably what it is. I mean, there's, you can take it to another level with like tapioca,
You know, there's different kind of, like when I say pudding, I'm just thinking like store-bought generic is like, yeah, it's fine. Whatever.
Of course, very important as we approach the 35 minute wisdoms. Anybody fancy some contention here? It doesn't look like it.
Just gonna be a one-for-one split with Malrin hanging around, although, he's actually hesitant to go for the bottom of some
Miro might just take it out of sheer map control.
Shut the fakes, Peter.
He's off the focus fire, but yeah, this is a tanky-tanky target.
Let's get him to half HP.
The backdoor, very nice, Peter.
Good evasion, but gets clipped by the ice path and another death to his name.
Now, right now, Mr. LSA didn't get his practice in the laning stage
because he didn't level it at all.
got fooled by Miro running in a straight line, the classic play just walking into Lena. The
disrespect. I think Miro wasn't looking at his hero, honestly to be honest. Look at this.
Oh, okay.
See the look of disappointment on Malarine's face. That's like humiliating to miss that
It's a lion with no moves just running out of your elixir.
We got a Roche banner now.
This is a tough hold for invasion Mars though.
He is good in these situations, but you need Windranger alive and you don't have an MKB now.
Yeah, this is coming out.
This is a Stead.
We're not still no shard, this is a lot faster with it.
Opting for tankiness instead, heart will be next.
Five by Barracks.
They're not that far off from Crit-
Oh, I say that he lies it right there.
Breaking the Viper.
That's not the break actually.
That's true, that's the 25.
He's a long way from that.
Two charges.
I mean, Ursa absolutely hates that stuff.
What do you mean it's not the break? I'm confused.
I thought the break was the...
Oh, it does break.
Yeah, STX breaks.
Break and two charges.
It's a very very good axe. It's good against Viper. I would say it's in this game it's probably better against Ursa.
Because it's a consistent continuous purge against Overpower. So Ursa can't really deal damage while he's purged.
So if you can somehow use that. I mean we're grasping at straws here for the side of Falchage. You need some incredible setup.
You have the hex on Mars and the axe on Crade. I don't think it's going to get easier than this.
than this so the other question is are you going to smoke and temp fate and that's the case
if they get a good jump maybe just maybe this is possible if anything goes wrong it's game over
blink hex for a mar this needs to be perfect open with yep ideal target is probably the viper
or the ursa if you can kill a core fast they don't have the saves except the carts so you also need
to get are not jumps that's a great target yeah probably picked up ag's completely nullified now
Oh, they find Mars, too.
And now, you can see Falcons just trying to run away.
I say that, they can actually go back into horse cartons,
who's on the line, very important target, indeed.
That's actually the Ursa taking tons of damage.
Nightfall gets destroyed.
Can I toss Lena his life, though?
Two for two to start this engagement.
The ultimate irony in Nightfall not getting off his BJB,
it's not lost on me.
How did that even happen?
The horse cart used on Lyon, all heroes.
It's just a misplay, right? You have to get that PKB off.
You have Enrage to set it up to. That is just a must.
A must cast, if you will. Let's look at the replay here. What happens to him?
So, they save Lyon. He's hexed by Mars into...
...here.
Oh, yeah.
Wait, so when does he use Enrage? It's on cooldown.
Oh, he must have used it on the Shadow Demon kill.
That's why he didn't have it when he got jumped.
I mean, who knows if he even gets it off there. He was kind of changed from 100 to 0, so...
Okay, Alcan's keeping it alive with a big pick. That was the hero they needed to kill. It was Ursa or Viper.
And they find the Ursa after cart is used. It begs the question, WS...
Is it worth it? Why? Is it worth it to cart the lion when he's already cast his spells? Just drop them.
Save the course.
He's too good of a friend.
Who doesn't love Mira though?
It's true gotta be nice to the nice guys TI winner there. You got to respect it
There's a slow Lincoln's for WS soon
Yeah, shackle shot the moniker he can probably might just use it on paper or
Ursula more so than himself. Yeah potentially because I think if I don't think falcons are likely to make centaur the primary target in the near future
They don't have enough damage now. They're gonna confuse with a courier, which is understandable. Yeah, that's my egg
Oh, this would be a huge deal
Oh, I'll Aurora nearby Lornaf runs into an LSA and Roche will scare everyone away
Fifty
Fifty armor dad on how you kill this guy
Fifty armor and a cart centaur to back you up and it's very good to cart the viper level 25. You just run through
Everybody with the key. You can't use nose dive though, right?
In the cart? Yeah. I don't think so.
Should be able to use the rest of your stuff.
I don't think you can blink out or anything.
It would look cool if he just emerged from the cart though. Just flew out of it.
Yeah, that would make sense from a physical standpoint.
Amar able to dodge it. Good disjoint.
I mean, does Aurora, they don't need to necessarily get a kill to get Roche, but...
That would love to make it safe and easy.
Yeah, Mars' clockwork is annoying.
There's the roar.
See how fast this is.
Falcon's not making their beelining with that smoke.
They're too late already.
That's the only way they get here.
We're not pages.
Miro will be the captain.
They still want to fight apparently. They're just going to get jumped though.
A mar gets the Eul's off, but one more right click will bring him to his grave.
He does have buyback.
Vyper focusing right now onto the clockwork disruption in an attempted
escape as you can see Mal-Reen getting bashed by Nightfall down close to that pit
area and he's the one left without buyback so Aurora can most certainly
push especially now that Lornav has his short
and level 25 to boot. Double linkins on him? No just singular, excuse me, that's
the centaur one yeah this is probably megas I don't know if you can fight without lina but
they're gonna try but ages viper good luck killing him twice as the cheese as well cheese
workhorse I don't know how you do this as a matter of fact I know that you don't you also just
can't give up mega surely. I think you have a choice though. Hook shot, he's just gonna
ignore the clock. He's thinking you're in here with me, it's not the other way around.
Nightclaw jumps in, another bash to his name, that's two supports dead instantly by that.
20 seconds for Malereen, Lorov's gonna use the cheese, gets speared into the barracks,
they know that Lena does not have buyback at this point. And Amar, disruption is gonna
save him once but not for long he just stands still in the resignation 13 deaths for him
and this is megas for aurora as they stomped their way through game one
it did take longer than 40 minutes though which i was not expecting that i thought this i mean
i guess the tower pushing is really the main issue again snaking wants to die
All right, as the bash finds the Lena again, Malrin,
one more death to his name and that'll be the GGs.
Aurora completely outclassed Falcons.
This look like, I don't know.
First of all, it didn't look like Falcons from yesterday,
but this has looked like Aurora all term.
Yeah, these guys are really, really good right now.
And you can tell they're playing with a lot of confidence.
I think one of the marks of a great team
is having that, how to say, the confidence to jump into fights that might look scary.
Like, you've lost a hero, and you still just know, alright, we still have all our stuff,
we're just killing someone in a trade.
I feel like every single fight in this game where Falcons actually got an opening and
killed someone, Aurora got a trade literally every single time, so every time they made
the moves, they got free kills, and whenever Falcons tried something, every single instance
was a trade-off. And man, these are some bad score lines for Falcon's players. This skater
is doing okay, but aside from that, not really often you see Malrina and ATF with negative
KDAs on both heroes or KDs. Amar and Snakeane, 4 and 28. Yes. That is... I've definitely
never seen that for Falcon. Amar, bottom hero damage in his team, almost in the game, 100
ahead of Lyon, but never seen that before. So Aurora, they show up for game one.
They do and then some. We talked about how both teams have a signature style draft. This was
Aurora blowing Falcons out of the water. I feel like it was not as close as even if we did paper
Aurora, I felt like the game should have been closer, but Perch, you mentioned what would happen
if they started running at them, and then Falcons just fell apart.
Yeah, it kind of happened. I mean, they also had a Centaur who was able to buy a Crimson Guard
that was going to be able to reduce a lot of their damage, which was going to be right click
face between Lena and the Wind Ranger. So once they had that timing with a gold advantage,
and they had to kill through a Centaur and a Viper and an Ursa with Ulti, that's like already
difficult to kill heroes, so it just became really tough for Falcons to get kills.
I'll just say very rarely do I see a team effectively yoink a hero in the draft that the other team is really well known for
because often times you need to like play that hero or understand that hero as well as the team you took it from.
I'm talking about Viper in this case, first overall pick, Lornoff.
He's a silver tier Viper.
He is.
I just want to shout out that like he's a silver tier Viper.
Malrin had the counter pick and got absolutely demolished.
Shout out to Lornoff.
Lean on 0-4
Yeah, I mean this was a this was a crazy well executed game from Aurora
There's also something that I realized during that game for nightfall when he plays Ursa that I think is
Very unique to him playing Ursa
And I know that like we all we do talk that this was the hero that nightfall came on to the scene way back in the day
This was the hero like he was grinding to rank up in pubs
But he rotates with Ursa like we saw him go towards the mid lane and open the mid tower and
And it's a little thing, but like it has a big impact when an Ursa shows up
And you're just not expecting that like level of power that level of damage to be there
And I know that we're gonna keep going back to this because we have to
the amount of
energy on this team
Despite Lorna being a stand-in is very crazy like I agree with Sunspan
This is something that you can't ignore this level of performance
Some might say that it's because of Lorna
because he has the stand-in factor and this is what people are fairy-crafting
that the moment they say oh actually we're gonna add Lornaff to our roster
maybe then things fall apart because then the magic stops. The stand-in magic is a thing. Quinn talked about it earlier.
Maybe his performance as a stand-in has also been so good that like the perception of all the non-stand-in players is like
like we got this like we got learn off they've got this learn off stand-in buff
I mean either way they're playing with kaiori kaiori had the stand-in buff himself you
know get as well to rural rise like you know what guys now it's our buff is it
kind of funny that for the lock you the next turn ever this Lord novice standing
in for falcons that's true this is a good performance for him then dad he's
that is kind of funny right I have to think about it I thought for a minute
I thought for a minute you were joking. No, I
Know you're 100% right they completely said that's funny. That's good. It's like truly a mercenary
She's been like yeah, just pay me like a couple thousand dollars and we'll go far in the tournament and good for him
Promise top three. Yeah, you know like hire a hitman and then you can say the hitman can say to the team
If you pay me more I'll hire you
Or like you can hire you like you can let me hire. Do you know I'm saying like yeah
Have you guys seen Game of Thrones?
He's like, let's listen to what Brian has to say about the game.
Thank you for saving us from anything about doing this Game of Thrones.
I actually wanted to highlight a similar thing about Nightfall.
Just with this one clip, I think it says it all.
This was like the point in the game where Falcons is actually making a really cool play,
where they yoink the Wisdom Shrine and Aurora responds with this.
In Nightfall, the carry teethies to his own side of the map,
And meanwhile we see Falcons, what they do with that is like, oh, this is our rare opportunity to get a favor, like a numbers advantage.
And so Nightfall not only TP to that fight, but notice how he is going to come through the Twin Gate to show up later on in this fight.
This is like Falcons, maybe one chance, Mal'Reen walks up the hill, he's gonna TP out, no!
There's an Ursa.
There.
He is literally everywhere. I feel like when we look at the draft for Aurora, they had Lion for a lot of Disables, but I feel like every single kill on the map, Nightfall was at.
I just think it's really cool that they kind of like he was playing like a very hard one
Yesterday on the spin especially and then in this game. I felt like Lornoff's kind of the map guy
Yeah, that clears waves and farms a lot and then night falls the guy running around killing everybody
I just really liked that they with the standing on top of that. They're like swapping up
Rolls in the game funny that Skeeter in the interview yesterday said that like nightfall has changed and he's shown a lot of improvement
because he used to be known as the guy who just hit creeps. He would always have really high CS and then
sometimes he would take the pressure and he would win with it, but a lot of times he would choke.
But he would always have very high CS. He would always be really farmed. In that exact scenario,
like he knew that Falcons was a good enough team that they would immediately fight and try to take advantage of the fact that he
teepied. So he didn't hit jungle camps. He didn't be blinded. He didn't do any farming patterns.
He didn't even push a damn creep wave because he realized his falcons is gonna go and he shows up immediately
Like that is some growth that is some significant growth right there takes so much foresight to plan ahead like that
So it's amazing. They was able to be there in time. I didn't see the there's a coming in that moment
I was like, oh, let's see if Viper can kill Lena also like
Instant kill speaking of growth by the way we grew when we finished the puzzle. That's right. We did our puzzle
We got 100% completion, but not just if we finish the puzzle, we can also show you the original picture.
If we have the power, there we go.
But the chicken was there!
Yeah, you said the chicken was like not real, she said.
He thought that was Photoshop!
I thought it was Photoshop!
I can't remember the chicken.
I remember the bunny, of course, because that was terrifying.
But I don't remember the chicken!
The chicken kind of looks Photoshopped in the puzzle, but in the real picture it looks very real.
very real. That's there. It kind of looks like an overlay in the puzzle. You can tell by the
perspective that the tree is actually there. I learned about perspective yesterday. Yeah.
So you have the lines. The wide class that he took. The lines on the left and the right of the
carpet are pointing just one point off in the distance. Potential invisible point. Invisible
point. And if you extend those lines all the way, it teaches you how your perspective should look.
Very good. We could also take a look at how the morning crew finished their puzzle.
I did not finish their puzzle.
That's why like Prince just, he's here for the ride, you know.
Yeah, like the card words in the air.
That's a great puzzle.
That's what, that's got to be his new profile.
Just old man angry.
That's an ex-header right there.
On ex.com.
And we did it in three hours and fifty minutes.
Oh, is that close?
Well, because it was almost the entire shift and they also did almost the entire shift.
What was their time four and a half or something or not? Oh, wow ish
We could they did it 99% because yeah, what I have explained a couple times
We could have worked harder, but we decided to not pee our pants and we decided no we actually we actually watch the game
Which is also pretty important speaking of watching games, we're gonna watch another one after a break
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Shades on. I'm deep in my zone.
Spread love. You'll be making it known.
I'm really feeling how we go together.
Cause it's all good times here now for everyone.
In the booth or in the club, wherever I go,
I turn the music up.
Whatever the day, I make waves,
fake dreams, fake moves, fake love.
Step to the left, yeah.
Move for the flow.
To the top, slowly, I'll be letting this show.
Hands to the sky, yeah. I'm feeling so free.
Love in the air, yeah. I'm bright, where I wanna be.
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Star shine, you'll be lit up tonight
Good vibes, and I'm running like ice
And I'm cool like ice, ice
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It's a magic what you see
what you see. Tell me it's a love or just fantasy. Am I dreaming? Step to the left, yeah, move with
the flow. Good times, all you'll be letting this show. Hands to the sky, yeah, feeling so free.
Love in the air, yeah, I'm right where I wanna be. Cause I'm right where I wanna be.
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This is not a test, this is a read-through
So, turn it up snow-sum
Baseline kicking with the lead and have the drum
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Oh, yo, we're about to have too much fun like
Turn it up tonight
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Like hi, nice to see you
When the song comes up, yeah, I feel you
We've been dancing all night
Dropping that vibe
Tick tock into the sequel
So, turn it up some some
Baseline kicking with the beat
Another drop
Blah, blah, blah
With the disco stream run
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Too much fun
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We've only had two others today and there's chance for Falcons to ruin that streak, that's right.
We want them to win so we get three games, get some more enjoyment out of the Dota 2.
That being said though, this was Aurora beating Falcons at Falcons's game and
Normally when your strategy is beaten there's two ways to go about it. You can try again, which I
Don't know if it will work this time. Obviously have a large importance for the draft for that one or you'll go do something different
I have a bet up here. I'm gonna say that Falcons
Regretted not just first face slamming down the sand king. Oh, I think they
Thought that they could do the mind game of like, oh you picked the pre-sand king counter
We're not even gonna pick it. Oh, we're gonna get it second phase when you didn't expect it
Now that didn't work. They still respected it
They still got it, yeah
Enough to ban it in the second phase like they're willing to pick a silver tier viper did not have it opened and then
Respect enough to ban it. I think Falcons will just slam pick it
Which means maybe on the flip side Aurora just first face bands the sand king instead of letting it through
Yep, the development of the draft will definitely show that in a second, but keep in mind, I think also we might have a flip on who's first pick and stuff, but the first place ban, that would be East Fusion and Sanctum. What do you think, Fridge?
Yeah, I think the problems were focused on having to play Lena, and then getting left to Winter Ranger, it was a little bit too one dimensional. The frames encountered it too much, the lanes needed to go better. This looks fine to me so far.
So far, I think I'm on is the bet by the
Thinking thanks for about no sinking ban, but I think we're mystics. I think this will be a final thing for both squads
Lauren offs razor has been fantastic. They can lane swap it as they wish as well. Yeah
But bristle works fine against someone's you had a blade mail. You're like go ahead try to leash me
I don't care that much. He has so much plus damage. You're never gonna steal all of it. You're doing a lot of cool damage anyways
It'll make a Mars Lane very independent. They don't have to screw around too much with that flex
Yeah, I thought on paper that heroes that allow you to drain them are bad against Razor,
but the actual matchup on Dota Buff says that Bristle is heavily favored against Razor.
So I feel like it is the fact that you still do meaningful damage just by taking damage.
And you also, I feel like you don't mind Razor and the, like you yourself, if you're
getting linked it's like, okay, you're not linking the carry.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
And you can happily turn your back to him while he's chasing you and right clicking.
He's literally going to chase you.
You know how it works.
You're like, this is great for me.
Go ahead. Do it.
Yeah, that's true.
Back, maybe when did Razor's shard used to turn you around?
Did it only pull you towards it?
It pulled you towards.
OK, that was like the most scuffed shard.
It was really good.
No, it was really good, though.
It was so glitchy.
It was weird.
It looked very strange.
It was like Windrangers.
Like it looked really buggy because it was scary. Have you ever I've ever used it when you're like stuck in disruptors kinetic field
It like pulls you through kinetic field
You're like locked in use it and you just go through just walk right through it bring that back
I didn't they did they remove invokers imp pulling you in no
One of the fast on his wax. Okay. I just thought a lot of the force movement stuff can kind of get annoying
They can it can get weird. They can get very weird. I think they acknowledge that I
I mean, Falcons ran San King plus Bristol yesterday to a high degree of success.
Just two very strong solid laners that can pair together in the early game, just those
two heroes, and it's enough to kill anyone, run down towers, have a lot of impact.
I'm really wondering if teams are going to consider picking Necro safely.
I know that that's specifically against Bristol.
It's like really good against Bristol.
the only hero in the game I know of that can just single-handedly ruin Bristle's game.
Like, you don't even get to lane. You can't even lane.
I think, like, Morph is also good, not because you ruin it so much, but because he doesn't do anything.
Bristle does nothing to Morph. Morph can be left alone, and a free farm Morph is very scary.
Could we see Nightfall picking a hero like Nekor? I'm not saying Nekor specifically, but like a non-Kerry.
He plays a badm, but I would say nowadays a badm, like, scary.
That's one of those things I could probably not use.
Could he be doing that?
As much as Nightfall has improved, I don't feel like that part of himself is something that he has expanded into yet.
I don't think he needs to either. If he's doing well on the conventional heroes, I don't think we need to get whacked.
I agree with that. I don't think he has to either.
That usually feels like the conventional stuff isn't working for me. We've got to start pulling into the side quiver.
Or if somebody's already that type of player, would they like doing stuff like that?
Yeah, cops and mess.
That's fair.
What do we think about the Ringmaster?
What? Obviously it's nice to have the save in the utility, but you know, there's nothing right now to save against.
It's not particularly amazing versus Razor. What are we thinking? Is there something they're block picking or preparing for?
I mean, you can make them run the opposite direction. I don't think that part is necessarily terrible.
It works best if you have some like stone setup to do the full level, tame the beast, I think, the Q spell.
And you have good potential harassment on lane as well while being far away.
I just feel like it's going to give them, allow them to buy some time with this dueling. It just makes their lane solid, I think.
I've just, I've seen Falcons run these two heroes together a lot, where, like, let's say they really want a highly valued defending a tower, for whatever reason, whether it's like mid for Roche or like a top tower for Tormentor,
We'll just like plop a mar in front of it and have a ring master
Save him and it's enough effective HP and like damage return and kiting and spacing that they can basically like
Turn the fight and keep the map in a position that they like to farm
This is this is why I think Falcons likes versus so much is that like they can just plop him somewhere
He's unkillable and he makes the map feel like shit for enemies and then Falcons can do what they do best
Which is take a map that's equal and make it not equal get more out of it than you're getting out of it
And it's kind of similar to shout even I guess because you also yeah back you also stack camps really will yeah
Yeah, I will also say that I think it's very good against over as a
The team fight because you know they're gonna run at you and we'll wonder just we'll pause basically any kind of running at you
Yeah, that's the advantage over picking SD is that you're basically picking a hero that functions in the ways
We're talking like the same way as SD, but instead of having a purge
You have a giant get this is just worse, which I genuinely think the the shadow team would be better
Well, the shadow game is better. You either either a natural. It's so good against razor in a lot of ways
So it's scuffed SD for essentially standing and I personally like remaster
The the team fight element I feel like Frit plays better when he's doing stuff like
Epic team fight like who plays you know and Estee's not that kind of hero
I feel like Chris wasted when he's playing here like that
So I personally like ring master better on him, but I can see the point for SDS
I think Chris an incredibly underrated not meaning like maybe I'm saying to the average Dota public about how
Macro-efficient he is he's like insanely good at stacking and playing for efficiency
Rather than just be like he's really well known obviously for like Earth Spirit of Old and
Yeah, but like when I was pointing out the sinking stuff
This guy did not miss a single stack between seven minutes and 14 minutes on hoodwink like he he was there like clockwork
That's a new hero. Oh boy now some
nullifier like any way of
Purging is very good purge
It is very good, but until they get to that point pugna with these beefy tanky scary looking boys
Is gonna be manning up very effectively gets your horror heroes. Do we feel like the earlier set?
got kind of countered a little bit like they could have picked Mars first and
Ursa after. Why didn't they do that? What was their reasoning there?
They saw the off lane I think I think Aurora has been very responsive lane to lane
so they just saw they're like this is 99% gonna be bristled back off lane and I
think Ursa can struggle against Bristol just because over the years he got his
base armor nerfed pretty heavily where if but it's if that lane basically gets
decided level 1 and 2. Like whoever pulls ahead level 1 and 2, Ursa either spends the lane half HP
unable to do anything, or Bristleback literally can't walk up. It's a very snowball-y lane,
so I think, you know, shout out to the observers, just let's pay close attention to the early stages
of the bottom lane. Because I think with Ursa, Bristleback as a whole, you don't mind killing
You're going to be playing Bristol-back later because you have Enraged to go to the late male and Wills.
But the Ringmaster and the Pugna do make that awkward, so it depends.
Is it when Bristol-back is alone on the map because the game is kind of like to your advantage,
or is it because with Pugna and Ringmaster behind them?
I do like the Pugna, but I think the Mars ulti.
Once he, I assume he's going to get the faster where you can't see the guys inside.
It's going to really counteract some of their counterplay.
That'll be very effective for them.
Yeah, Mars looks good. Drafts are solid on both sides, frankly. There's good things for both.
Well, it's Aurora that's trying to ban out a hero from Skeeter's hero pool, which we already talked about is very large.
So I'm sure that he'll get his hands on something that he's going to be happy with.
On the side of Aurora, we're looking for, I think, Mira hero.
I assume it's going to be yes, Fenban, the last one for me.
I'll just say if there was ever a game for it, PL is really good here.
Oh, I was thinking Naga for the same reason, like effectively the same reason.
DK is similar, like, all these heroes are very good.
Allusions?
In this particular draft.
Yeah.
I don't like CK as much.
He's not a good hero right now, but are you saying in general?
I'm worried about like Community Makro Pirate in like one Mars combo, your allusions are at 25%.
But the other allusion heroes sound really good.
They've been in DK instead, which would have been, that is one thing they're missing.
They don't have a really good jump stunner outside of Primal Beast.
On Falcon's side.
All right, let's see what supports Aurora grabs.
The line still exists.
I don't like them as much against these super tanky boys.
You kind of want a more independent floor.
I think that is less vulnerable.
Maybe hit back line.
Maybe some spirit vessel 4 would be nice.
Hoodwink.
The break is also good against Bristle, and you can kill through pugnit the crepify as
well.
We'll look at Bandlos. Willow would have been great.
I think Hudowink seems fine. They have options.
I guess it depends on what carry they expect Falcons to pick, whatever matchup you might want.
They need to be a little different.
I mean, Hudowink Mars is not a lane that you can lose.
No, I am.
They should have a lane.
I just said I respect the fist fast, and I think it's way better personally.
There was one kill on the map they would not have gotten without the fist facet.
The mana drain one is kind of, it's just very situational.
There's a couple games worth, okay, but almost always you're like well I could have done
200 more physical damage.
I think save is at the moment the only one of the tournament that goes for the mana drain
one, no?
I've seen one of the first ones do the mana drain.
What was that?
That's the one, Keem.
That is... Yeah.
The Birdman.
There's not even water...
I actually think Razor is one of the best heroes in the game versus Kaz.
Because Kaz goes in and there's very few heroes that say,
I don't care, you've committed like, through BKB.
Very few heroes in the game.
And I think the numbers say it too, like in the matchups on Dota Booth,
because you link him and then you minus armor him.
And Kaz is all about that BKB killing everybody.
And then outside of BKB, he's against Lion Ursa.
So, I'm really not a fan of this cast pick. I know the hero is really strong. I think
it's going to require Falcons to have a pretty sizable net worth lead out of the lanes for
this to feel good for me.
They do a saves though. That's one upside. So, even if he does have some spooky matchups,
they're still D-Crap, they're still Ringmaster, and they're still Mowery and going into mixed
space.
I mean, Lion is also one of Kess's worst matchups. And that's also what I was thinking. I feel
I feel like the way you beat the bird is you just have to lock him down, you just change
stun him.
And I mean, Razor, in my experience, it can go both ways where like if Kaz has enough
items he can kill Razor before he gets anything off.
But if it's a mid Razor and it's Lornaff and he's popping off and you're committing
into that as well as a Mars arena, J'Kyro ult and J'Kyro stun, like this does not
scream like a great Kaz game to me by any means.
For me, it feels like every hero on Aurora causes issues for him and...
Was that Ursa?
Like the counter to Kez originally?
I know that Ursa changed and that was more when he had the other egg in him's shard,
but it's gotta be pretty good.
It's one of the few heroes that can man up on you and you can't reliably burst, but
I think that matchup definitely goes both ways.
I guess I'm just thinking that it's not a very...
Like, if it was a third overall pick, Kez, I'd be like, okay, it's fine, but with overall
last pick, it's not a very impressive Kez pick.
want to have more of an oomph to it. Yeah, yeah. And I think in the game one, we all said like we
did like Aurora's draft better, but Falcons was picking a very Falcons draft. I think we have a
similar story here. We have Mal-Reen playing Primal Beast, Amar playing the Bristle. I think Skeeter's
been more of their just kind of plug-and-play. Yes, he'll play what's good for the game. To be fair,
he has two saves. So all these counters are, I guess, counters by having the plug-and-play.
Do we feel that Aurora does also have very Aurora-esque drafts?
Yeah, I mean they also have some of their best shoes.
I really like their dress.
I think we are hopefully in for more even game than game number one, but let's see how it
plays out together with Sunspot and Cinderan.
What a way to play us out. Beautifully done, hard-chatted Mambas aren't here, but in spirit, they are.
Spongebob's fan with Stinder and Aurora vs. Falcon's Game 2.
One that we're just gonna forget about. That was not a game though, though.
Okay, 40-minute slug fest. Aurora just backhanded Falcons. And Falcons bounce back. This is a little bit more traditional of a lineup for them. They got two BT boys.
Yep.
My first gut reaction when I look at this is that I think Falcons are more outpicked than they were.
That's my gut reaction. Now, that doesn't mean that's true, but I look at the picks and I really like what Aurora have got.
The panel was talking about it as well, but picks can only get you so far. There's all sorts of players.
It will be stolen by Chris Skeeter desperately wanted that on Kaz.
He's playing for Falcons.
That's right. The ultimate soundboard combo for you, Sunsfin. Thank you.
They did it for you. So to elaborate a little bit, the panel was talking about
Razor against tanky heroes like Bristol and Primal that he is pretty good in that
and then he has a good matchup into Kez. It's also just, you gave away the Ursa
again and Nightfall is, it's one of his best heroes. You're playing into a
favorable matchup into the Bristol. You're one of the best heroes at killing that guy.
You gave away Jekiro again. This lane is insanely strong against
This melee offline is jikiro, Ursa is about as strong as it's going to get.
So I'm just a little bit worried once again that Falcons might theoretically have some
interesting matchups.
The main one is the Kez against Mars, which should be okay in the land.
Okori.
Is he gonna...
I'll create here, almost.
There's a fairy fire.
We move back off.
There used to K.O.R.I. feeding this early.
Yeah, he didn't die level one on jikiro, which is good.
Maybe that's how they get powered up though, because they've been winning every game.
I like that.
I feel like this has to be such a miserable patch to play position 4 in Pro Dota, because
you're just laning against a jikiro and warlock, unless it's banned every game.
You can ban some of them.
Yeah.
Jikiro never gets banned, it seems.
This is rough.
I think the thing that makes it the most frustrating for some players is that it's hard to do skill
expression when you're playing against a hero that just prevents that type of thing, right?
That Jakira on level 2 is just so overwhelmingly strong against you that you...
It's like hard to outplay when the numbers are that stacked against you.
Yeah.
So...
Tell me about this pugna.
I mean, the Jakret looks pretty good against Ursa and Razor.
Yep.
It's not particularly great against Mars and Jakira though, or Ryan.
Mars.
He's getting those Fury Swipes stacked up, he knows he's dead trying to do as much damage
is the can before him, which isn't much.
I just look at this lane, and I don't see it.
I just don't see how Falcons can possibly avoid a Marve having a similar fate to the
previous game.
And that's what happened.
Like, you first faced Bristle, and then you didn't ban Ursa or Jekiro.
So you know that this is a risk you're taking.
And I wonder what's the macro plan?
Like, what makes this worthwhile?
Who's getting the great game that's going to turn this around?
I don't think you're gonna smash me and top.
I know this is a bad lane for Mars, the Kaz matchup.
I still think WS can do okay at least in this one,
because Pupna isn't like the most oppressive five
that you can run.
Now, if this were Kaz Jekiro,
and we're talking.
Yes, but.
All right, so come on.
If you say it's your responsibility.
I didn't.
What do you mean you didn't?
I didn't say it's my responsibility to use this on board.
This is a great game for you.
I'm not in position, it's literally on your...
So for those that you don't know, which is very important here, the sound board is literally
on Cinderance Mousepad.
I have angled it toward you now.
It's now better...
Yeah, it's facing you.
It's perfect.
Now I can knock over my piping hot water.
Yeah, there's nowhere else you can put it, unfortunately.
It has to be right there.
Or you can just hit it and just, you know, do us all a favor.
Lorna, static link, gonna force the TP out.
I've seen a lot of this, what are we calling this,
anti-laning almost?
Yeah.
Or you just pull the crits, double.
Oh nice.
Now really nice there from Crit, the whip.
Tame the beast against the healing cell of Kaori.
Well effectively that tame the beast
with like 400 damage effectively
because it broke and almost full salve.
You can see in a Mars build, he's well aware what this lane is all about, it's about survival
and regen, so he's going two bracers, which is a standard anyway, on the Bristol back.
He might need more than that when the level starts coming up.
As expected though, Kaz is of course doing well against Marta, I'm not going to press
it every time, Shayne.
Why?
I can't be bothered.
I think people will get annoyed with it.
they want they love it. They love it.
What's your proof of that? Is that you love it? Yes. And you're the people. Yes.
I think if you're the representation of the people, the future of the earth is not looking great.
It already is the case.
That's fair. So we can blame it all on you.
Okay.
Easy.
Oh my god.
Thanks for proving it immediately.
Malorraine does show in lane for a bit and then he doesn't 24 and L versus 29 and 15 a lot of those groups of course are
In the jungle from Malorraine
He's only half a little behind a razor with yeah, he's not bad. It's certainly be worse. It's way worse
It was like this is a bit of a weaker sanking for him overall in terms of this playstyle
Sanking just does better with pulling the waves can strong is more effective. Oh
Ooh, a very rare impale mist, I have to say.
Especially because he didn't cast Impale, he cast Earth Spike.
Same thing.
He has Laguna Blade, he has Hex, which is called the same thing.
Do you know what the most fundamental difference is between Impale and Earth Spike?
Impale, you can single-target click, and it doesn't miss, which is why it's shocking he missed.
No, Earth Spike, you can single-target click.
Yeah, that's what I said.
No, you said Impale.
Impale is the same thing.
Quick static. No rune. Six minute rune is bottom and it is a shield rune.
Denied. Oh, another miss. Yeah.
Mira's on fire here. Well, okay. Good damage, but Kari will be fine.
It's a 3v3 mid. Yeah.
Oh, this is looking better than if it did for Falcon's last game in at 6.
Amar is still not happy, of course, when he plays Bristle he's used to being top 3 net worth right now, maybe even top 1.
He is sitting firmly in 5th place, but considering last game was an absolute landslide, this is better.
But the lane is not going to get easier, I'm afraid, for the poor Bristleback.
Ursa hitting level 5 now, that's level 3 in the Fury Swipes.
And now with Mira showing up down bottom, actually never mind, he's going to TP top now looking for a play with WS.
Protecting the wisdom and then maybe going to Mars.
But yeah, that's a great kill combo. The Ursa Lion wants more.
Ursa loves when people get stunned and Lions got more where that came from.
Much better start though for Falcons. They didn't lose their wisdom shrine center.
True. That's also better than previous games.
And Mal'Reen will farm up some nice stacks next to his outpost on Primal.
WS lagging a bit on the farm just slightly.
I'd probably like to get him involved a bit.
This is Mars versus Kaz. This just seems to happen every game.
The thing, okay, so on a map in a bigger sense, we both agree, and this seems to be the take
of a lot of people, that the way Falcons operate as a team is that in most of their games,
Skeeter isn't actually the hard carry necessarily. He is one of two or three carries.
I missed again!
What is going on?
Mira! Time to calibrate that mouse.
Change the batteries.
What?
Probably playing wireless when you missed that many.
I'm missing a single impale on Lion.
I feel like in pro games, you see it once every five games, maybe.
I missed three in a row.
Yes, we've missed three here.
It's a turkey.
Ah!
You got me with that one.
Okay, so anyway.
I completely lost my trail of thought. Oh, yeah. So skitter as a Falcons player is not necessarily the hard carry in most of their games
He's generally like an enabling carry. I don't the concern I have with this game is I don't know if him just playing
Set up or initiation style on Kez. It's gonna work. I
Think in this lineup with how a Mars game is generally gonna look I think Kez has to be cleanup crew
Oh, nice R2 here.
Raptor Dance on WS, Mal'Reen can't close the gap though.
That's fine.
Two TPs, they're too late though.
They're both going to be cancelled.
Alright, not bad.
Sure, Mars survives, but two TPs that were both completely unnecessary.
Being thrown out there.
And the reason, the reason this is a little bit concerning is that when we look at how
Kaz has been playing so far in this tournament, I think the most impressive games on the
the hero are either you smash your lane and you just snowball like crazy, or you get to
late game and you start single target killing people. And you can't really do that turtle
game.
The pulverize was how this started, but it's not how it ends.
That burst spike missed too.
You're kidding.
It was too short I think.
I'm pretty sure he didn't get it.
Let's get a replay of that, because this is the biggest streak we've ever seen.
I think it was...
Okay, let's check.
Let's check.
Okay.
Where you at, Lion?
No.
Hit that hit.
I think it hit at the same time you got pushed by the soldiers so it didn't get knocked
in the air.
Okay.
Okay.
Where is Mara's pole back?
He is back and he's getting his boots.
He can single target click a hero.
Leveling up here.
Falcons with a 1k gold leap despite the top two networks being in the enemy team is quite
an interesting situation, especially with Ursa being 750 ahead of Kez.
That is a little bit surprising, but it is, of course, largely due to the downfall of
Mars in that matchup, and also their supports, very poor.
Lion just getting boots in at 10 is exceptionally slow.
Of course, that's part of what happens when you miss so many spells in a row, is you don't
get that assist goal.
That's actually true, so it probably has had a decent impact on it.
I think you would have had a few hundred gold more if those earlier moves had connected
better.
Or at the very least, the enemies would have had less, because they would have pressured.
And all that pressure misses, you're just wasting time.
Amar is closing in on top net worth for his team at the very least, which is what we've
got used to seeing snaking will blast away that mid tower very nicely in minute 11 here.
Level 4 on the nether blast on pugma already minute 11 is very good.
Same level as the Amy off laner.
And we have some rotations.
Smoke from Aurora, nightfall in the cover of the trees.
They don't hit the ice path, but they got the arena sphere and Kez actually pops the raptor dance
Still inside the arena though, Echo's flash to get a little bit of distance away
Tries to parry, but there's the spear actually helps him a little bit
Wheel of wonder held in place and he actually lives. I hate this fucking hero
All right, let's kill someone else instead. I guess say Aurora. Pritt will be the sacrifice. What hero do you hate?
Press the button. Just press the damn button
To Skidder's credit, though, that was a very clean escape.
He did everything perfectly.
He had to cast his spells, I think, exactly in that succession with that timing.
So an excellent escape by the bird boy.
Not to be mistaken for Bed Boom Team, of course.
I can call them the bird boys if they ever were to pick this, but it doesn't really
strike me as...
Well, Curetich does actually play it, so it could come up tomorrow, potentially.
The way they've been playing might not be a pretty game. I don't understand what has happened to that team.
Yeah. Very disappointed with them.
One of the differences between this game and the last is, first of all, this time Falcons aren't getting completely snowballed on from the laning stage,
which I thought could look worse than this, but also they are managing to take towers courtesy of snaking
So that's the bottom tier one and the mid tier one down a lot of extra gold and space on the map most importantly
To get falcons where they need to be
Malrin ice cap he gets clipped as a strong man tonic right now not enough damage
Nice plasma field though as Peter. He's gonna
Echo slash with the raptor dance a lot of it's gonna be avoided kore
Oh, careful. It does hit this time. There's the pulverized re-initiation with the Wheel of Wonder.
Beautiful place for the Razor into an onslaught, into a knife with a finger onto Malrin.
Lornoff will live.
Yep, that's that mech build.
Double bracer. This is Lornoff's favorite build on Razor. We see it again today.
The double bracer into Arcane Boots mech then grieves.
Completed now, I believe.
Yep, and after this he went, the other day I think he went Kermzen, I wouldn't be surprised
to see that accept build again against Bristol and Kezna, bad.
Mid tower and Plutna snack.
Mira has now hit four in pales in a row.
Yep, brings him back to 50% accuracy.
This tower is gone.
This will equalize the game.
or is that
ws for working on the blank
i wouldn't mind it's being rushed in use this game actually
uh... but maybe their logic is that lines came is so bad that is not going to
get an early blink at all and they want the reliable catch
but there's a lot of merit to use against the hero like as against primal
beast even bristle
really beefy heroes that are going to go in front that you can just get a
guaranteed setup on with the Eul's and create space can be quite nice. It's also a good
item on Mars when you're having a rough start, gives you some survivability, it gives you
mono regen so you can keep spamming your spells to farm, in addition to the soul ring of course.
But it will indeed be the dagger, almost has it at this point, so at least a recovery for him.
This is some of the best conditions we've seen from a Mars in this tournament against
Kev.
They have been rolled in general.
See you later.
I thought it was a nice little snack.
So another good timing on FaZe Battle Fury for his Ursa.
You think he needs to go nullify this game?
Eventually I would like to see that against the Thawks and against the Crep.
This feels like a no-brainer.
The question is if it's him buying it or Razor.
I follow the instant hex from Mira into the Impale, which he does not miss.
The box, though. Saving Malory, but the plasma field does massive damage.
Amar attempting to TP. Spear cancels it, though.
Another kill goes the way of Aurora.
And Crit gonna try to limp back to base. Don't think this is gonna happen.
A triple kill for the Razor.
It's just...
There's something about when a team is just in this blow state almost in the game, their
decision making is just instantaneous.
It's so fast how Aurora react in situations.
They're in the right place at the right time, everybody's pressing their buttons, magically
a Mars just appears out of the right time to stop, you know?
It's like, it's really hard to train this.
They're just feeling themselves in every game, and another great find, and they got the bot tower.
Ten to one, and straight into rush, hey, we're over here already. Why not?
Look at this Hex. Very fast fingers on here.
Certainly made up for his missed and fails earlier.
This spear is just ridiculous, like the wise Mars is coming over here.
They also got tipped instantly by Lorna.
Wonder if Lorna even knew Mars was coming.
That's the Roche down, going to Nightfall.
Kevin brought this up yet.
This is a second game in a row now that Mars is running Bloodsport,
but this time it makes a ton more sense to me.
You're playing into Pugna and Grimstroke.
Excuse me, Ringmaster.
That's true.
You can have the Saves and whatnot.
Against two Saves, this feels like a really good Bloodsport game,
So I'm much more in agreement with that line of thinking here.
But it's kind of funny because we've had multiple games of this nature earlier in the tournament
where people were still taking Victory Feast.
But today is the Bloodsport Day, International Bloodsport Day.
Which will probably be removed in the next big patch.
International Bloodsport Day?
Oh, BKB used.
And he missed it anyway.
No, I think it hit.
I don't think so.
No, I think it hit.
I don't think so, something like, oh, Amar...
Yeah, anyway, 4 of the BKB's getting.
Well, he actually sees them here.
Oh, they have a ward right there, it seems.
Amar, in a lot of trouble still, finally goes down.
Takes a long ass time.
Meryl will be the trade, but Mal'Rim would be quite the prize
if they can snag him.
Get speared to the low ground.
Now slowed to a high degree.
Nightfall has to contest with the decrepify.
That's life number one.
Plasma Field slowing the entirety of Falcons at Steams.
Wheel of Wonder will hypnotize the Razor.
Lornaf had a bit of trouble now, but the right clicks from Nightfall.
Another nice save with the Boxman.
The overpower gets the kill on the Snake King.
Skeeter falls during this engagement as well.
And Falcons crumbling at the Steams here.
Now Rain tries to pulverize, but instead it's a double kill for Nightfall.
And Crit likely will be next.
Jump in one more time for Nightfall to the high ground, and it's a triple.
Absolute beast mode.
Feels like I know the Razor died, but Aurora's heroes are just living on slivers of HP,
and they get so much value out of them.
It's, speaking of value, the Aegis, the Difference Maker here, right?
You're taking this fight because you know you have that mana damage.
That's why Nightfall does this.
And you can get tempted to fight back here.
I think Falcons could have perhaps kind of disengaged here,
but that Wheel of Wonder looks so good that Snakey wants to go in so they don't have enough damage to kill Lorna straight up and skater
to get all that much done here on his as the hero is not strong yet
he needs more time
and that's the thing about playing against Aurora they play fast
15 to 3 the score
Aurora, a well-oiled machine.
Yep. They are putting on a clinic right now.
It's the second game in a row that they are playing into Falcons,
the style that Falcons want to play with the three tanky, hard-to-kill cores that win lanes, right?
Like, it's...
This draft on the Radiant could easily have been a Falcons draft.
Like, through and through. All five Euros. They could have just played this.
First on Skidder, a Mar-Mars and a Razormit from Alreen. This looks like something they would run half a year ago. Look at this.
Alright, trying to set a trap. This is a tough one though. There's BKB on Razor.
Nine-seconder is going to be revealed. Here they come. Yep. More or not.
Classic Field Clips, Crit gets off the box but he's inside of Icepath now.
now. Falcons trying to stand there. This is a BKB timing though for Nightfall as the arena comes in.
That's a dead ring master right off the bat. I've already popped the BKB but now he has to withstand
the right clicks of the bear. Actually resetting a bit. Lornaff with a lot of minus armor thanks to his alt.
Nice. The ice path is going to cancel the pugna ult in the meantime. Plasma field as well. Lornaff
in a 1 vs 3 right now, he gets the 1, Amar dies to the rebuke, and the finger takes out
Malorin and this fight was over before it began, Lornoff tanked up so much and still
survives.
I wonder why he held his static link the entire time, I think that could have been even more
dominant display, he was next to Bristleback for an eternity, I think even after the BKB
ran out he was still just waiting and waiting and waiting, maybe his logic is, I'm reserving
static link for Kaz because we're not losing fights anyway.
You're going to see the replay here, so Kaz immediately using, look at Skidder here,
he's using the Ravens veil, he's scared that he's the one getting jumped and now how do
you re-initiate?
I don't have it.
So he has to poke here on the outskirts, he never becomes a threat here and Lornav could
have static linked at any point here, he's still not casting it on a mark.
He's waiting for Skidder.
He's just waiting the whole time.
And now eventually he's like, okay, screw it, Skeeter isn't going.
Yeah, I mean, Skeeter goes in, the moment he uses static links, that seems to be his
mindset.
Actually, I think Skeeter went in and he was like, then he linked the mar.
Yeah.
I think he misclicked, to be honest, but end of the day, doesn't really matter.
This team is just better right now.
God, this is crazy.
Not even remotely close.
And if you're a little bit of a dreamer out there, there are two numerical outcomes right
now 20 to 4 and 22 to 3 are on the doorstep we're on the precipice of greatness
you love a good meme channel you're young at heart
old in visuals though it is memes are a good way to stay young i'll say that
oh interesting lauren off is the one to go nullifier it seems yeah that's what i was mentioning
earlier that that's a possibility that he just does that so Ursa doesn't have to
and then Nightfall can buy, they could also buy two of them I wouldn't mind it
but I don't think he should buy it yet I think Ursa should get a Baster at the
very least it's very good against Kez to have the stun it's also good against
Mal'Reen's Primal Beast if he's pulverizing someone you can stop them
gives you more options
Falcon's just spreading across the map trying to find as much farm as they can while they
can because the map is slowly constricting in a condo style except the head of the snake
is a bear.
Oof, that sounds like a dangerous creature, like a chimera, but they already have the
chimera and your hero.
Yes they do.
And he goes, okay, with the help of the finger of death, the snaking falls Amar.
They'll try to trickle back to his base.
Do they have any way to stop him?
Ice path and a spear to help him.
Well, they needed the stun.
They could have put down an arena and forced his BKB, but they deemed that not worth it.
So they will almost certainly get this tier two.
I mean, it's really their choice what they want to do here.
Seems like they want to spill out and keep farming.
Nightfall will indeed be getting the Baster in the moment.
It's just like in the games that we've seen from Aurora, they just have...
You know, a lot of the championship teams that we've seen in tournaments just have just enough options every phase.
This seems like a team that has hero pools that they are extremely confident in that have a size that makes it very difficult to ban against them.
We'll talk about this whole pick your poison mentality against Falcons, but in this series it feels like it's Aurora that are proposing that problem.
They are taking the... they're kind of setting the tone for the draft.
In game one they get the Viper first, here they get the Razor, and these are heroes that haven't necessarily been that successful in the tournament,
the tournament, but perhaps the reason they were getting so much attention was that, arguably
the tournament is the best team right now, first pick them and own.
Like if they are the ones defining the meta and other teams can't find the solutions,
they're looking extremely odd.
Some would say sexy at this point.
That's right.
Especially with Nightfall's new hairdo.
I mean, his hair, historically, that's been...
I mean, for lack of better word, just trash.
But this... this parliament...
It's been really good, actually.
This is his best hairdo by far.
Keep it up.
Yeah, I like his hairstyle, too.
It's...
It's great, it's...
It's harsh coming from you, especially.
Yeah, I know. I'm losing it by the day.
Mira, they're gonna... Oh!
Well, you can't miss this done if you don't cast it, I guess.
The double pump fake giving him the chance to cast unsplot and then it was all, haha I was just pretending I still have it.
He bought the BKB though.
That's his item.
Okay now, one kill away.
The Namers need Aurora to get the next one.
Chances are pretty good at this point.
Well statistically in this game they are getting like 85% of all kills.
Let's see if they can get one more.
Did Nightfall just purchase an axe?
Did he?
He had it queued up.
Oh, he got that one.
I must have gotten shard first, actually.
He's WS, he's the one initiating.
I'm past the arena.
There's Nightfall getting the Reverse 3-2-2,
killing off Snake King.
Much to everyone's delight in chat.
All the fire applied to the kez.
There we go.
Amar on the run.
That's uses BKB and Retreat.
Dr. Amar uses full title.
Sorry about that. Dr. Amar will actually get away.
They nullified his degree.
Smoking up, though.
Sounds like a typical American university.
It looks like Falcons want to try to do something about this roast now.
Okay.
This seems pretty all in, but at the same...
Oh, Malrin just pulverized a creep camp.
He did that earlier. I think he's doing it on purpose so his trample's bigger, right?
He's done this twice now.
Is it not good in the fight?
I mean, he does have BKB. So yeah, he should be able to get a full pulverize now the stacks are falling off
He's going in he's going in inside the pit. He goes. Who's gonna get the HS?
It is WS they get the Roche as well big plasma feel him
He's basically entire team nightfall dies that is actually not life number one because that's his only one YOLO indeed
So a big kill on the bear
Second life was for WS instead
And now there is the pulverized backup and running. Wouldn't expect that one.
He is low tanky indeed. They can't do anything against him, but still Falcons,
they burn the Aegis, they kill Ursa. Not bad. No, given the circumstance, that's
probably a pretty good result, but it kind of feels like in game one where a
good fight is a draw. And that's not exactly inspiring, but it's better than
nothing you don't want to give Aurora everything for free and I do admire
their choice of trying to fight I like it and they have to they have to go for
these risky plays gonna see the replay here so Mal Ring goes in I feel like it
will be really nice to have a pulverize here right here and now I don't know he
was literally standing next to Earth over like three seconds just AFK yeah I
I just really don't agree with pulverizing before going in for the
I don't know, this can't be right.
Well, this Mars Arena gets the support.
Amar Super low trying to get something on the way out.
Mira will be his prize, but it's not a good one.
That guy's missed a lot of entails this game, so it's a two for one little exchange here, but...
It's really nice to see the camera shots of Aurora's players.
You can just tell they're just all good vibes every game.
They're just smiling, laughing.
I mean, they're winning, nailing their stuff.
course.
Well, you think they'll be raging?
A lot of teams, when they're winning, are still very stoic.
For example, when Falcons are on a 20 win streak, you can't tell from their shot.
That's because they're a literal sociopath.
I mean, I can respect that, that you're just so much in the zone and so focused, but it
is refreshing to just see people enjoying themselves.
They've been beaten down to a pulp by AUI 2000.
Everyone knows the stern voice, I can't even say it, with a straight face.
machete chronicles were actually a diversion that's right the real master
of the blade is a y 2000 a little known fact 2000 actually the number of
swords he has in his collection wow that's a lot on the wall yep he's a
blade master time for two runes for WS he'll take the first one next one
spawns in eight seconds alright he's not gonna stick around to check it not
worth it now we just really worth it here
he's just trying to farm me
yeah if you stayed in school you would have known 30 is not
seven I didn't look at the clock I just assumed it was wisdom time
it's a great line I know my seven divisibles yeah
all right what's the what's the sixth wisdom the what
what's the sixth wisdom what time uh you don't know it hold on hold on
Seven times six forty two forty two if you can't answer within two quick through
I don't know I mean it's been a long time since second grade you said you knew
them I do but yeah you can think about them if you spend enough time that
doesn't mean you know it's not like I did it the addition in my head I just
had to remember the number it's just old-age thing that's the 12th okay I
don't know that okay that's not that hard 77 plus 14 so 91 what right it's
84
No big deal everybody Amar takes the tumble snaking
Looks to be dead as well inside of this arena. Let's do this math again, sir
I did a quick it was seven times ten seven times well yeah of 1484
Yeah, somebody's I did 77 was 14. Yeah, I don't know how seven times ten is 70
I added 77 and 14 pretty fast though. Yeah, what did you say? I said 91
That was correct. Yeah
Yeah, I think that deserves a little point
Let's bring Clippy on screen to help Shannon here. Thank you. Let's get a calculator
Did you have a hand as well? Did you mean?
Did you mean 77 plus points?
Tormenter Mira will claim that as Nightfall will solo the Torm so that is a nice little
Shard upgrade for the lion now has some utility in this game, not the best though.
You can avoid getting tamed at Beasted while you're draining, but you kind of don't want
to stand still on these fights, you wouldn't matter.
Yep, it's just a 20k lead again, there's no big deal.
So Aggs for Nightfall, he did end up going for that which doesn't dispel Pulverize, not
Not that pulverize is going to be used on him, little does he know, it's been used on creeps before every fight.
But it does give obviously the damage reduction which is huge in case he is stun locked.
And you can activate it during pulverize.
Yeah I know, but I'm saying it doesn't dispel the actual stun itself, right?
It does if he uses it during pulverize.
I thought that, what? I thought stash resist doesn't affect pulverize.
Because it's just duration based, no matter what.
Is that what you were saying the other day?
It's a strong dispel. It removes stun. Why did you make me check? Why did you make me
second guess myself? What is 7 times 10,000 Cinder and Malray?
27,000.
He's trample. No, he didn't trample, actually. I'm getting everything wrong here. Let's
just get this game over with, alright? Let's call it a night.
Oh my god, Aurora. We know you guys are young, but you have so much aura. You're spreading
the brain rot to Shannon for the game. Imagine if I streamed more in my life. How much worse
the brain around me jeez that's what you've been doing this year well if you
streamed when you were the these guys age people could have enjoyed it in 160p
sure dial-up modem enjoying the head shots on dust 2 I never had a dial-up
actually I was in cable modem straight out of the wall damn believe it or not
spoiled child yeah I was Lorna speaking of spoiled children I don't know
where that's coming from he's gonna look for trouble top not finding anyone
though. Speaking of real piece of shit, let's talk about Lorna. What a pile, man.
He stands in for this team, takes Makoto spot, wins every game afterwards. What a
jerk. He just spoiled, he just stands in and the team is just amazing. Yeah. Isn't
that a dream? What a dream. Now you can't even say with a straight face that
they're making it look easy for him. He's making it look easy for himself.
More or less every game is. Laning is going great, his movements are great.
He's buying good items. These guys are just on a different level at least today.
I think they've been a step above every team at this tournament and it's not
actually close. Now, can they sustain this? Can they sustain this? That's the question so far, absolutely.
The last big challenge that remains in this group stage two out of the big dogs is beating Liquid, right?
That's the yeah, I guess watch you they have the idea liquid have been extremely good as well
Falcons a smoke attempt
Won't know about rush for 40 seconds
Yep, so okay, yeah, they don't want to open up on the phrase that they've made that mistake one too many times and
Kalehand, fall of fire, good bye, fuck that.
Snaking down that for 50.
Skeeter might still want to fight though, opens things up onto Lorna, the buyback for the pug.
Then Lorna up at half health.
This is a lot right there across Skeeter.
Yeah, that is a pitiful kez at this point.
Lorna up will live.
Skeeter thinking about going in, but he doesn't have any damage to work with.
The more getting kited and now he's kind of in no man's land.
This team's thinking about connecting.
After all of that, nobody really dies.
This could get interesting for Falcons if they can chase here.
They know there's a lot of cooldowns, so they are feeling confident
as Crick will get one shot by Nightfall, so maybe they shouldn't feel confident.
Yeah, jumps back in.
There's a little bit of pressure on Malry, but now we'll try to back away.
Amar, keeping the rest of the team busy.
Kiro is so slow with all these goosebacks.
He gets two shot and he's actually going to live a little bit longer.
Blame out finishes the job.
BKB now activated as well. There's the pulverize from Malorraine as WS still had his BKB after all of that
So in the end I believe it's a 2 for 1 with the buyback coming out from snaking so only supports die
But really if you can get rid of these two supports and not have buyback then you can just you have free reign without these two
Saves without the crepify and box the worry about yeah
And you don't even need to worry about them as long as Razor is in vicinity, so that problem is only half a problem anyway.
And the biggest concern here is if Falcons can't get anything out of that situation, that was almost the best possible setup, right?
You lose your Pugna, but you trade for the Jekiro, and the enemy team uses main cooldowns.
You just can't, you still can't chase them down now. They're going to see Roche with their Nether Ward.
Looking for a fight first though, Lorna.
I'll break them out.
Mira gets the hex.
There's the nullifier and the destruction of snaking.
That's a dieback for him.
He doesn't want to go for Malarina apparently.
Watch Skeeter.
Everything onto Skeeter it seems.
He's on the outskirts of the arena and he drops to Lorna.
Nightfall takes out Crypt.
That is a dieback for him.
There's Amar.
This time truly left all alone.
Tons of minus armor, static link, everything applied, down goes the beast.
Now ring the other beast on the team, and nightfall, and company get the full team wipe,
and Roche is on the menu, they could push.
The world is their oyster as they are up 28,000 gold.
Nightfall with the tip to Mira, that was 100% dead primal beast and he just KS's with finger
to end the fight. For style point. Yeah, why not? It feels good. Yeah, get that stack.
They're going to need it for late game. Man. Let me put it this way. I picked Falcons to
win this because I felt like they were leveling up yesterday. Into group stage 2 they were
starting to look better and better. I'm not surprised Aurora win because I didn't think
Falcons were going to destroy them, but I would have not thought that they would obliterate
Like this, you know either way I didn't think either team was capable of beating the other this far
I thought this would be a close series that would almost certainly go three games
Well, I mean there are those are true
Unless let's not
Falcons are still in it. Okay. They've got a lot of Mallory keeps pulverizing creeps
I mean, maybe there's something else to it
Does he not feel comfortable getting a full duration pulverize?
He doesn't like it.
That's the doctor waiting to be claimed.
Free doctorate in the river, everybody, handing him out like candy nowadays.
Glad you're on board with this terminal.
I'll grab it.
Yeah, it's funny.
I'm generally on board with funny stuff.
Yeah, it's funny once in a while.
I'm looking into that.
Thank you so much.
Yep, it's still there guys, we know it's there.
Keep it there.
Show us something else.
It's going to be there for another minute, so.
Yeah, zoom in all the way.
Let's see.
That's good.
Yeah.
Ooh, nice polygon.
Oh my God, what was it?
It popped it.
It popped it.
Just when we were enjoying it in all of its glory.
Such is the fate of all Arch-In and Decay.
Some art is timeless.
Well, it does Decay though.
Not AI art.
How'd that decay?
I don't even know what to say to that.
All right. Malrin decays as well.
Yes, he's dead.
Dinosaurs.
They decayed.
They decayed a lot. This is the last one remaining.
Robots will live forever.
Okay.
Don't you get it?
Why don't you understand?
another famous piece of art robot
okay, starting to stack up on the Marr
yeah, and I thought, couldn't finish the job, has 3 minutes on the Aegis, has Swift Blink at his disposal
and it's lowering off, just pushing alone
now Lorraine's gonna have to buy back, cause they're gonna get megaed
28 seconds. See how much falcons can delay.
They're really gonna wait.
Only two barracks remain. It's gonna be a magus before it buys back.
Yep, so it seems Skeeter focusing on a support. Nice spear from WS giving him some space.
That Skeeter does get the kill, but again, you are now against Megas.
True refreshers, the Refresher Mars and the Refresher Shard on Razor should make this becoming
fight very easy.
Are they ahead?
He says he's opening into the Abyssal, good to crapify and box, so both saves on the same
unit as Mallory jumped in trying to get something going, but he has to exit immediately.
Meanwhile, Amar gets blown up by Lorna.
Vizek as Skeeter tries to do something but he's just a bird! A bird can't do anything
this late game, 80 seconds he's dead, Malrin bites the dust, everybody on Falcons is dying,
Aurora absolutely dismantle Falcons, not even remotely close in this series, neither game.
Look at that hair view. Yeah, what a beast. Imagine that was what was missing all along.
It was the hair that changed everything for nightfall.
What can you really say to this?
It's beautiful to watch. It's very refreshing.
It's one of the really cool things about Prodota is how phases come and go.
And this is right now, it's just Aurora's time to shine.
This tournament, in my eyes, is about who has a chance of beating this team.
They are just rolling teams left, right and center.
In the first group stage they lost two individual games, but they're playing as world-class opposition, and they have games like this, against teams of this caliber.
Which just puts you at the top of the food chain right now.
And as we mentioned, arguably among the teams remaining in group stage 2, they've only played a couple of series now, there's still multiple opponents ahead of them.
But this is meant to be some of their biggest challenges, Falcons, Paravision. They're making quick work of them.
Liquid is left as one of the last big dogs from group stage 1.
And you'd imagine the other teams would just be
they have the office room.
This is looking very, very good.
Yeah, I don't know if I've ever seen Falcons
get outclassed to this degree,
especially with how consistent
they have been over the last few years,
but give all the credit to Aurora.
They came out to play and they deserve this 2-0.
I know what this team reminds me of.
And I think everybody has games
where they're playing against a team
that is clearly a little bit better,
But the most annoying thing about teams like that is that they are always together,
and when you think you can get a pick-off,
no you can't because they happen to all be around the same person and you lose another team fight.
And that just snowballs and snowballs and snowballs,
and you just get further and further and further behind and it kind of feels like Falcons.
Like, I've been there. I know how frustrated he is to play against a team like that,
and I just feel like Aurora was just better.
It means a team is on a different caliber, that's what that means, which is very shocking between these two, like...
The thing is, like, what you're talking about, people standing together, like, a lot of the time you see this happen is because they're sacrificing farm in order to do this, but Aurora's not.
They're winning lanes, they're farming jungle camps efficiently, they're taking dafts away from Falcons, like, they're doing all the right things while also being there to protect each other in whatever gank is happening coming from the enemy side.
I agree with Cinder when he says these guys are just in like a flow state right now
They're just making all the right decisions on all five of their players
Yeah, maybe Mira misses his thunder to here or there
But he's in the right spot at the right time and that's the thing that really matters in Dota is your
Macro positioning and I also feel like it's not just the gameplay in the game
It's also their drafts were solid against Falcons as well too. It was like both games
They had really standard looking drafts their opponents had some what they wanted
but maybe not everything.
So on all levels, they're doing really well.
Yeah, I was gonna say,
I think the most impressive part about that was
my like pre-game segment, pre-series segment
was about Falcons, you know what they're gonna do
and you've gotta come prepared to beat it.
And it felt like yesterday Falcons
literally just laid their cards on the table
and wiped the floor.
And that was also a lot of the story of group stage one.
And then yeah, they just first pick slammed Viper
and Razor against Falcons.
And I said it after game one, I'll say it again,
Like, Lornoff man, like, just sick.
Like, it's sick to take an enemy hero, enemy team's hero,
use it against them and just own them with it.
Like, this is a team that's masters of these heroes.
So, yeah, they're not only masters at playing it,
they're masters at knowing what to do against it.
And it was his own build too,
which I just want to say that's awesome.
Love tanky builds like that.
They, they, they can be, you can be a little over-reliant
on them to like cover for your flaws,
but he's like surviving the 200 HP, which is perfect.
Yeah, we were talking about the
Guardian Greaves build on Razor a little bit
and how I think people started going for like,
treads and more of like a traditional carry razor,
even from the off lane from the mid,
and it started looking good.
It started looking better than like the griefs pipe.
But then I was thinking about grieves
and then just building normal carry items after that,
which is exactly what Lornoff did.
And it makes a lot of sense
because you have the griefs for the early game, Brian,
you're saying it's effectively like,
treads manta where you have that like,
tank ability, you're hard to kill.
Obviously you're like reflecting damage and everything.
But then scaling into the late game, you're still getting the Satanic.
You're still getting the BKB.
Eventually, you're going to get the Refresher.
He didn't complete it in that game because they didn't need one.
You have Refresher Shard.
But you can scale Razor to be...
Because the boots and Guardian Greaves are cheap as hell now.
It's so cheap that it's just a regular boot.
But it's giving you that early game that you sometimes need
without committing fully to being utility Razor.
Yeah, I believe Brian, you have something else that you want to show us.
Yeah, that game wasn't obviously the most exciting game
in regards to quite a stomp from Aurora, but I had a few small plays that I really wanted to
highlight just because I like to appreciate when people do high-level things. So this is Ringmaster
using his what a Carnival token illusion. Something you always want to do as a four position is to
block the small camp. So that's something he got from getting first blood and then he blocked the
small camp with it. Something I've never seen before and thought was really creative. We've
been talking about Mal-Reen being really known for his lane cutting. Just before this, Lornoff
had fortified his own creep wave to make this take longer, and then chased him all the way
over here and forced him to TP back on his own.
And then we have this teamfight from Aurora where I think the castler was just saying,
like, yeah, this is just a lot of bugs being pressed.
That was an instant hex on the final beast when he blinked in.
They're like taking the spear from the far corner, like you mentioned just everybody
being in the right place at the right time.
You know, I saw the two little lane moves from both sides here, but I feel like the
story of the game was just fights like this from Aurora.
We consider putting like two or three more in
because there's just the same story every time.
But you gotta think you guys got the picture,
watching the game.
The story that was consistent was like,
they would have a fight and they would kill
like three Falcons heroes and they would lose zero heroes.
And when that happens, like two or three times in a row,
the game is not playable anymore.
And this used to be so common, like no joke,
15 years ago, where a team would like run at each other,
every hero would die basically in the fight.
Teams got so good at being like,
oh, we know when we're a little bit too far out,
We're just going to trade like my hero for yours,
two heroes for two heroes.
So seeing like the previous TI winner
get like three node, four node in fights was really cool.
I think what is impressive on top of that
is this guy, they were going to interview right now
the legend, the standing God himself,
Lornoff, how are you doing my friend?
Start over.
Hello, hello, I'm doing good, how are you guys?
Very good, very good.
Unbelievably impressive, Dota.
From you in particular, we have noticed that you're winning a lot of lanes against extremely good laners.
And my question for you is, is there something that you have been working on the past few months to improve your laning?
Or are you just kind of like in flow state right now?
You're just vibing and you just happen to keep winning.
No, it's actually started to be, because it started to be like really new,
it's about slaying, and it was like, a lot of work on this, like how to life well,
how to last hit every creep and so on, and that's because it started to be like really good designer,
I feel like in the last months, and it feels like you can punish guys really easy.
Cool, well it's great to see you, dude, really great to see you,
because you always were very good at the other parts of the game.
I wanted to know what your plans were against the Sand King mid and the lane cutting shenanigans
that Malorin always does. Like as a mid laner in your head where you're like, I'm going to pick heroes to chase him,
we're going to pick supports to chase him. Like what was your idea there?
It's kind of half-half. It's like we're thinking of picking a sappers who can chase the guy and obviously you have to think about
to block some camps like this sentry or so on like don't engage him and
You need to manage the lane well before he started cutting.
And if you're becoming to boost, it starts to be more easier.
Because if you have boost, you can chase him, you can use a Giv for a wave,
and you cannot get so much of this.
Yeah, we saw you do the glyph.
So you were valuing an earlier boost against Malorin's playstyle then.
Against other midlaners, you might go for some other item.
Yeah, go for it, but she just goes for the quest.
Okay, that makes sense, very cool.
Okay, obviously, you're standing in for Aurora, I have to ask about that, you're also playing
for Falcons in Wallopia?
Like, what's going on, man?
How is it that every team you stand in for has some insane performance?
Are you not just on one of these top teams right now?
What's going on, dude?
I mean, it's... it feels like a hard question because I kind of cannot really give a choice
to join any tier one or tier one point half team.
So I cannot... I cannot say no to this, just don't invite me, that's how this happened.
And for standing in, I kind of enjoy it because people just come and say me, go play for our
team and I like, yes guys, go do it.
I feel like my heroes, that's pretty good for every team, and you can build a strategy around it, almost in every heroes.
It's not hard to be a part of the team, I feel like, for everyone.
Yeah, I wanted to ask about, so on Viper, you're Silver tier.
Are there a lot of heroes that you would consider yourself very good at that you're not high Dota plus level?
Maybe because you're playing them a lot in competitive but not in pubs?
Like, why are you so good at these heroes that you're low Dota plus level with?
I'm not saying you're like a lot of Dota level plus level, but it's not really matter, it's longer.
You understand how your spell works, what item you need to buy, and what a job you need to do on-game, and how to lane.
Like, if you know all the stuff, you would... It's not really a matter, it's only Dota plus.
It's obviously better if you're level at Turkey and people might not like you play well because you have like a thousand games here.
But even if you don't have it, you can still be very good.
Okay, well your performances have been very impressive on these heroes.
Brian, you have a question for Lornoff?
Yeah, Lornoff, I was curious. You know, there's no doubt that you might be one of the most successful stand-in players of all time, if not the most successful.
I'm curious if there's like a process to integrating into each team.
into each team, if you feel like each team has a different way of you fitting in, you
talked about your heroes being able to be built around, like, how does that go, basically,
every time you stand in for a team at a tournament?
I mean, it's got pretty casual, like, I just, like, I try to be understandable what the
team needs, how, like, people are collecting data about how they want to play, and I just
do it by, like, stuffing me, by heroes obviously as spellcasters, and I can, like, use spells
It's an enemy and we can always fight and if a team plays well, they will do stuff right anyway.
It's not something very special, I feel like it is.
And a normal guy can speak normally with every people.
I think it's very special that you can work with so many different people.
I admire that man, that's awesome.
I have one more final, very important question for you here, Lornoff.
You're one of the players that sits with the knees scrunched up,
which means we can see your pants on camera all the time.
And we were wondering, those are crazy pants, dude.
Where are those from? Where'd you get those?
I just buy it in Budapest.
I'm like, not in Budapest, so I can't say.
Breed vendor in Budapest. That's awesome.
Okay, well, congratulations on the 2.0.
Amazing gameplay so far. I hope we'll see you here again.
Bye-bye.
Yeah, thank you guys. See you. Bye.
What a guy. Normal guy, he says.
He just plays it off so casually, you know?
Yes, yes.
That's crazy.
I was thinking about that.
I was at the gym, and I was trying to get a good pump.
And I was thinking about Old Man's Fear.
And I was thinking, this guy is huge, right?
And here is the thing with all these TI winners.
Here at Sania, they're just a normal guy, normal people.
But they can bash their head into a wall and fail and fail and fail.
And where other people give up, they will keep going.
will keep going.
That's the difference.
It's not that, like I've seen Insane and Failout things
and he whines, he complains like a normal person.
But the next day, he fucking gets up and he just does it
again and that's where a lot of people would quit.
These people are resilient.
And I feel like this is Lornaff as well.
Because their reaction to things is normal.
Oh, I'm just a normal guy.
They think that it's normal, but the reality is
there's somewhere in that process that he's doing
that feels normal for him, that is not normal at all.
that is something that is making him truly special
and we could see it in the results.
Yeah, we can see it in the results right now actually
as we do have four series played again today.
That means that in group stage two,
everybody's played two series now
and Aurora's still undefeated,
together with Tundra and Team Liquid.
So they did that.
Yeah, there you go, very good.
And yeah.
Can I just say, I just think Lauren off
is just super talented.
Like I think he feels like a normal guy
and he's also insanely good at the game.
good at communicating. He was speaking faster than I could follow sometimes, so that was great.
I think that's part of the reason they're doing so well.
Yeah, I think what Brian said, he kind of adapts to old teams, old and different play styles.
He's like, yeah, you know.
And always looking to improve, even on his own. He's got no team, and I just thought my
laning was bad, so I'm working on laning, I improve. Now look at him, he's destroying everyone.
Well, Bedboombiles and Paravigion also should be looking to improve because they are 0 and 2
right now in the groups and well there's very clear hard line between four and five because only
top four moves forward to the playoffs. Now I will say out of all eight teams we have the group
stage two only one team is not in Birmingham and that's Team Liquid so maybe it's a little bit
extra important for them to do well so it's obviously get a lot of points out of this
and well speaking of doing well let's see who is doing well in the predictions as we have been
Im predicting and we do of course want to know last night. It was to know me that was on top
So keep an eye on that what's wrong? Did you just go for all the other ones? Oh, no, I got extreme ride
I think I'll take my clean sweep of the day me and Sonia and
SVG there you go. Very good. That's clean
That is like no one believed in Beth for me except for me.
What the fuck guys?
We were right, perfect.
Go on.
Go on.
Is that bias which is accuracy?
Oh that's accurate.
That's really accurate.
I think the most amount of people let down is the people rooting for ParaVision.
Am I correct?
Yeah, I mean that one looks about 50-50.
Yeah, I think 6-7.
Yeah, 6-7s.
The closest one and indeed it was tundra taking that to know we take a look at the leaderboards for this one as well
Let's see if Neil has been knocked off his throne or if he continues
No, he's continuing together with us PG. So they shared first place
They're doing a very well Jenkins
Your strategy is working is well
Yeah, I feel like with the top with the with the draws possible and with they should change my strat
I was trying to go for the ones nobody else would go for in the off chance
Yeah, if this was an insane upset tournament that I would be so far ahead of everyone that there'd be no catching up
It would literally be like 15 and next would be like eight. Yeah, but the obviously the
We have crazy grouping to like there's we have what seven talent within two points for each other
Yeah, yeah, people are very good at predicting or very bad. Whichever way I'm a high risk
James was told to predict the loser of the match and he's doing a
Yes, somebody wrote in my contract to make the loser.
Do you want to try to do our predictions together?
You can take a look at the schedule and see how it's going to turn out.
Okay, let's do it.
That's a good transition.
Yeah.
All right, mouse, then boom.
That's like, at the moment, that feels a little bit like a toilet bowl, but I'd still
go for mouse.
I would, in all honesty, I would go mouse.
In this case, I think mouse is the toilet and that booms the bowl.
What do you think?
Who wins from that?
I don't understand what that is.
It's a great question.
Who's the third? Who's the wall?
Which one do you want to be in that case actually?
I'm not sure.
We're getting philosophical at this point.
We would go from house, right?
Yeah, I'd go from house here.
Alright, Paravision Extreme.
I would actually say extreme after today.
I'm taking Paravision.
I don't specifically if I gotta get spanked.
I live in Paravision because no one is my neighbor
and he has a history of leaving trash in the...
No, that's not no one.
No, it's not.
No, he would not do that, Jenkins. Don't drag his name through the mud.
He's gonna freeze a disc of pee and slide it under my door.
That's what I'm afraid he's gonna do.
I always vote for Aurora in Paravision.
That's oddly specific.
Well, they were in opposite groups for Group Stage 1, so they didn't face each other yet.
I would also lean Paravision, but Extreme did really impress me today.
But I don't know if that I should be impressed with Extreme or disappointed by Maus in that case.
Yeah, that's tough to say that I really think that we'll know how we feel about today's series by seeing how extreme does
Yeah, anything for I think prohibition is like on the cusp of like starting to win matches
Yeah, but they haven't done it yet, and it's it's gonna be very easy to undersell them
That was a story of my career then we got a roar thunder. That's easy Aurora
Yeah, although keep in mind both teams right now are
On the feed it under can win under can win any match. That's that's a scary thing about that team
Or is or is like hitting right now. I know I feel like tundra is like 30 40% chance to win
They're flow state, but I feel like tundra can get under the skin of people and then we got those annoying teams liquid falcons
I think I'd go for like it's gotta be it's gotta be liquid like liquids flow state too right now
Yeah, they are like you should be sure confirmed what I was suspecting
He's like yeah, we're just like somebody makes a call and we just go for it and it's like all their calls are hitting
They're not like throwing away the wives at towers. They're just like we're min-maxing and
and making a good call and we're out playing.
Yeah, and it's working out very, very well.
And we can take a look at, well, we already,
I already spoiled it at the E.P.T.
Leaderboards, we can see how it goes.
Yeah, we can talk about Game of Thrones.
Well, it's a little bit of a Game of Thrones, you know?
In that world, winter is coming,
and this is always a fact.
In our world, E.P.T., EWC is coming,
and that is a fact.
And the houses of, you know, Paravision, Spirit,
These these houses and their lords need to prepare for the the upcoming battle, which is the winter and EWC
Yeah, we did mention are they mentioned that liquids the only one that doesn't go to
Birmingham that's how far right there. They have really yes
There's everyone everyone dies
I'm just assuming it just seems like it's happening
What season are you at?
4?
Out of 7?
It's 8
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Why don't you have some of the coffee?
Yeah, I was gonna say, I was gonna say,
now I'm nervous.
You're rejected one time.
He needs some warm up here.
I need time.
He needs to cool off here.
Listen, listen, night watch or whatever that guy's name was,
is I gotta, I'm not over him yet.
Night fly.
Yes.
That guy.
Right.
I hit just one.
Not over him.
No, no, no.
I think his name's Fall Guy.
No, it's not.
It's okay.
And,
thinking really hard.
puzzle no i'm i'm thinking i think he is also yeah he will definitely be in
bermicom so if you want to see nightfall live in the flash that is his name
then don't forget that you can still get tickets for ESL one for me that's
right i think it's gonna be a great show and i think you guys should should be
So good tickets if you buy a ticket right now, you'll get a nightfall signed t-shirt. No nightfall
You contact him on Instagram. No, let him know. No on a ticket. No
For Birmingham. No
He will hand you the snow. He will not know I will officially say that I don't do it
Nape the lawyer
The same thing
neighbor
live close to him
Doesn't like you
Teach him not to say no guys about the coffee good job Jenkins
There's a lot of things that could be happening in Birmingham, but how do you know what's happening if you're not there simple as
Get your tickets see there
King what a lot of drinking and Birmingham if last time was anything to go by jeez
Everyone's just they saw all for all in the stadium. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, they do so. Did you that normally don't they?
But that is a that is that is German levels of drinking. No, but I would say British is pretty on par. Yes
Yes, so you could also name it British levels of drinking. Yes. Yes, no fighting though
That's British usually fight, but that was actually very peaceful and it was super wholesome. It was very was happy and drunk
But we all love Dota we do and
And we also are very sad right now because the Dota of today is done
But we are gonna be happy again tomorrow because that's when the Dota continues and you know what time we start
It's 11 for the show. It's 11 30 for the games, but today and this was it
I really really really hope we're gonna get a little bit
More contention for the series where the series are not all too old like they were today
So hopefully tomorrow we'll get a little bit more ties and then game three is coming your way
That'll be fun but more fun to be had tomorrow with more dream league season 28 see you tomorrow
Just listen.
Just your presence.
Move in with me.
Stay.
A bad bloody time!
I saw her for the first time.
Oh, yeah.
First time I saw you, I knew I had to have you.
Don't mean no one I stand, gotta find a way to be a man.
Find a way to be a man
It's something by the way
Turn and look at me
You'll smile and turn me on
And set my mind at ease
I'm trying hard not to stare
Don't want to look thirsty
Just trying to play it cool
Gotta show you that I'm worthy
You walked in on the air
And seemed to me the smooth
I just had to find a way
To get next to you
Just to find
Hit, testify, people believe a chance, let me set a spot
Get up and pray, I'll hold in my belly tomorrow
Don't wanna close me up, cause I'm not my kind
Stop, checking me out, try to figure out what I know about
What beautiful love, make you scream and shout
Give a donut, let it burst, let me check you out
I
And that comes over me
Cause I know it's time to dance
While you got it to the last
So baby tonight won't you get
Into the groove
It's a perfect cover now
You make our dreams so true
So come on to me
You wanna live those days behind
Let this party go on
Let your heart go on
Dance, dance, dance tonight
Dance tonight away girl
Tonight tonight we fall in love
Tonight, tonight is all
Dance, dance, dance tonight
Dance tonight, awake girl
Dance tonight, we fall in love
Tonight, tonight is all
Dance, dance, dance tonight
You don't ever stop now
Dance tonight, we fall in love
You don't ever stop now
So baby, tonight
Don't you get it?
Into the grill, there's a perfect candidate
To make our dreams come true
So go with me
You wanna leave, don't get blind
There's this party, go on
In my eyes
I'm so into you, girl
You feel the ground so into you
You feel the groove, startin' to sing
You just ripped me apart
This Dance Dance Night
This Night Awakens
Tonight we fall in love
Tonight is number 1
This Dance Dance Night
Tonight Awakens
Tonight we fall in love
Tonight is number 1
This Dance Dance Night
Don't ever stop
It's not even fun love
Don't ever stop now
Let's go!
One, two, three!
Let's get connected
You and me
Let's get connected
Finish what we need
Let's get connected
We can do this thing together
Let's get connected
You and me, fire
Fill it deeper
Down inside
Let's get connected
We can make the whole world better
Come on! Come on!
Nothing gonna stop us in the unify
This is when they gonna make the future buy
When we're ballin', got to get together, man, do this, right?
One, two, one, two, three!
Let's get connected, let's get connected
Let's get connected, I can feel it getting closer
Let's get connected, let's take another
Let's get connected, we can start the whole thing over
Nothing gonna stop us in the unify
This is what they call a multitude, jump high
Everybody got to get together and do this right
Nothing gonna let nothing get in our way
We're gonna change the world and start the game
Everybody get together, let's start a new life
Let's get connected, let's stay connected, let's get connected, I can feel us getting closer,
Let's get connected, let's take connected Let's get connected, I can be ready to get closer
Nothing gonna stop us, we'll be unified This is what they call a multidimensional fight
Everybody's got to get together, we're gonna destroy
Nothing gonna let nothing get in our way We're gonna change the world and start the way
Everybody, let's get it, let's get it, let's get connected
Yeah
I never dreamed that this would ever end
But here I am, turning away every night
It's the one thing I feel, I love just a little
No, I am not what you pretend
This is the day that I must say
If I do you, it's what I got to do
Enough, enough, I can't hang on
Enough, enough, it all went wrong
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
I wanted more of you than anything
I remember the days we couldn't stand being apart
Now that just as we sing in the Lord we don't speak
We lost everything that we had
I have no choice, our love has no voice
And all I know is that I have to go
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, it all went wrong
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just sing the song
I can't go on, enough, enough, enough, I don't know why, but it's over now, so let's just say good enough
I can't go on
Enough, enough
Oh, enough, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say goodbye
I've been wasting my time, feeling lonely
But that's the way that I am, with the one I'm sure, my love
Every one of them, they could, I wonder, but
Nothing is the way it used to be
All I want, and all I ever need
Changes, I try, I try, I try
It's time to change your mind
Wait to fall for you tonight
Baby, I'm too beautiful
Baby, baby
They say it's so hard to find, it's so much pressure
The world can smell it around, without us
It's not enough
It's not enough
More than enough
I beg you
I want to
Buy
Nothing is the way
It is to be
Oh no
No way
Nothing
Change your mind
It's not like
Don't change the mind
It sounds relaxed tonight, I wanna be where the party's coming
But take your time to know you well, No need to ask, the night is ours
So afraid, time to leave your stress behind
I like the way you move your thing, I wanna see you do some more
Ain't no words if you describe the feeling that comes over me
Cause I know it's not a dance, all you gotta do tonight is dance
So baby tonight won't you get into the groove
It's a perfect kind of night, you may call dreams some truth
So come to me, you wanna live, just get behind me
Let this party go on and on and on
So baby, tonight won't you get into the grove
There's some perfect man in the back to me talking some truth
So girl, baby, you wanna leave the kids behind
There's this party boy tonight
I'm so into you, girl
Can you feel the grove so into you
All you ladies now just recognize
What we do, we win it, we win it
That's what we do
We sippin' it, we sippin' it
We got that star
It's like a lucky doodle, lucky doodle
We got that star
We're broken in the club
And all those in the show
That star
We fuck the ladies friends
Got star from head to toe
Got that star
Put your products in the one
Starlet gonna be doing it, be balling, be sounding
Starlet gonna be doing it, be balling, be lostin'
Oh, that's how we do
Oh, that's how we do
Oh, oh, hey, hey, oh
Oh, oh, hey, hey
Get it, get it, get it, get it, just stop now
You're waiting, waiting, get it, get it, get it, get it
Get it, get it, just stop now
You're waiting, waiting
Remember all the Tesla will be good either way
This time to show our skills, go on your best studs
Stop your color and you next stop staring
Get ready for it, yeah get it
You never seen a one with this kid
I'ma swipe and get it soon