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So all I know is that I have to go
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, oh, oh, oh
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, it all went wrong
I don't know why, but it's over now, so let's just sing the song
I can't go on, enough, enough, get on with me
Enough, enough, I don't know why, but it's over now, so let's just say
Maybe tonight, I can't go on
Enough, enough, ooooh
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just save our lives
It's been six long days since I saw you, baby
I've been coming to the house, minutes, seconds
Till you're back in my house again
And then I stay in my bed and choose the night I leave
And the days it was the night I ran and went to bed
There's the light I've looked up on
It'll be starry night, it's right to get through
It'll be sunny night, the seas are spinning your trees
Saturday night
Be on your right
Saturday night
Be on your right
Saturday night
I'm not a fan of you.
I'm not a fan of you.
I'm not a fan of you.
I'm not a fan of you.
Everytime feels so right.
Watch me go, watch me dance in
Give the dance and move it high
Just watch me go
Watch me stand and say
Move above
Dance and kill a cry
Don't just wait for that, don't it, don't it, baby, don't know
When music comes, you know music, music comes
Yeah
Let the music stand as free
I'll see your loving watching bring it to me baby
Move that body and let me give you my heart
Oh, yeah
Don't you want to be loved?
And you turn it to the other side
Yeah, yeah
I don't feel the fun
From your body close to me
Yeah
Everything's about that
Let the music set us free
Yeah
I feel the rhythm that you play, it's so fine, all mine
The way your body's got me next to sea, yeah
Oh, no, I can't get enough
When we're dancing all come alive
Yeah
Don't be in a fight
Move your body close to me, yeah
Stand in front of us
Let the music set us free, yeah
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, because when we dance I'm gonna slide, I can't float
Oh, yeah, oh, oh, oh, and when we dance, it keeps me crying
And I'm gonna smash it down, right in my mouth, in my head
Whoo-hoo-hoo, I'm gonna be the man Who your body kills what's the mean
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know
I don't know
Gimme some of that MC Bank
Gimme some of that idol art
I won't summer leather make no dance
Gimme some of that Gustave
Gimme some of that Organisation
Gimme some of that Idol art
I won't summer leather make no dance
Get me some of that dance and dance Get me some of that highlight
I want somebody to make me dance
Give me somebody to touch that
Give me somebody to dance with man
Give me somebody to highlight
I want somebody to make me dance
Give me some of that good stuff
Give me some of that fancy man
Give me some of that high life
I want some of that real man
I'm a player, I'm a player, I'm a game
Don't hate on my steams, I make it look good
I'm gonna rush you next, don't stare at it
Get ready for it, you're getting it
I've never seen no one with this game
I'm a fight to get, so watch and learn
Can't try to copy
Everybody ran, she classed tonight
I'm hauling to be here
All you ladies got is spec and I
That's all we do, we're winning, we're winning
That's all we do, we're sipping it, we're sipping it
We got that stuff, we're siding like we do, we're doing it
We got that stuff, we're walking in the club
We got them zippers, we got that stuff
We rockin' in the streets, that's got some kids
We got that stuff, don't you promise to
Stop, stop, you're doing it before you start
Stop, stop, you're doing it before you start
Oh, that's how we do
Oh, that's how we do
Oh, hey, hey, oh, oh, hey, hey, oh
Get, let you stop now
The Lambo or the Tesla will be good either way
This time to show our skills, go on your best does
We could've heard you guys stop staring, getting ready for it, ya get it
You never see the one we think of, gonna swag it in
So watch and learn, catch all the content
Everybody raise your glass tonight, don't haul them to be here
All you ladies now is smackin' eyes
That's how we do
That's how we do
That's how we do
The winning, the winning
That's how we do
We serve it, we're sipping it
We got that style
Slipping like a donut
We got that style
Put your hands up, and I'll give you sure that's tough
If you're up in the ladies' wings, you're gonna stop when kids wear that stuff
Don't you cry the same way
That's how we do
That's how we do
Now what we're doing, we're doing it, we're falling, we're sliding
Now what we're doing, we're doing it, we're falling, we're falling
But I only got my health, get it one more try
Don't wanna say anything but no no no no
Once we were both so happy just hanging out
There was no doubt
Why did we take for granted?
Oh that was good
I wish we could
Find what we had and bring it back
On track
Give it one more chance
Don't wanna get excited
Don't wanna love no more
Let's give it one more try
Don't wanna say goodbye
I know we broke at moments
We're both the same
No one's to blame, no
I'm sure that you look me
It's not over yet
Let's not forget
Almost all the time
Is not going so good
Oh, yeah
Don't wanna give this to anyone
Don't wanna give this to anyone
One more try
Just one more try
Come on, sing like that, come on
Oh, love like we once had just can't be denied
If we both feel this way there, come on
Let's do it, come on, let's do it
Bye!
I'm on my way to hell, taking you with me
I'm on my way to heaven, don't care for me
Let's take those slimes and escape to the future
I'm on my way to the best adventure
It's the best
The best adventure
Give it to me, give it to me
When you take the time to really slow down, lay back and let on your way, just have a look at me, this quick exhaustion will get you back on your feet.
I'm on my way, I'm on my way to the last adventure
I'm on my way, I'm an ancient danger
I'm on my way, I'm a light brand new
The sweetest fruit of stars takes me to the future
I run away to the best adventure
Best adventure
The fastest of tales
The best adventure
I'm on my way, and I'll take a cool little thing
I'm on my way, and so can I
Let's take those sudden steps, get to the future
I'm on my way, to the past adventure
Let's go!
Last adventure!
You
Just sleep, just move your body to the music
Just sleep, just let the music take control of you
Just leave
Just put your mind to the music
Just leave
Just let the music take control
Just let the music do its thing
With a new research
And easy thing to do
Girl, I just wonder why
It took so very long
Sinking those up in my mind
Every time I feel your pulse
Take it all apart
You're just scared to throw
Just watch me keep you fly
I feel like I'm on a high
I can't get this run
Girl, you know that's so easy
So easy to love
Just think you know
I'm ready, ready to move on
I'm ready to move on
Just leave
Just move your body to the music
Just leave
Just let the music take control of you
Just leave
Just move your body to the music, just sleep
Just let the music take control, just let the music do its thing
But there's only you and me
The kiss was just for us
Magic's all around
I've got something on my mind
Something goes off in my mind
Every time I hear your voice
Like a starry spark
You're just scared to draw
These sparks begin to fly
I've been acting on a high
I just can't explain
And I know that it's so easy, so easy
Love, just can't turn it off
But I'm telling you, baby
You're my love, but I just can't sleep
All you gotta do is
I
I keep on reaching high
I keep on loving, emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep on loving, emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep on reaching high
You're giving me
I want you to open up
Get my summer
I want you to open up
Get my summer
That bloody time!
Dream League Season 28 is brought to you by DHL.
And Checks.
All right, friends, it's time to get our morning stretches in.
Let's start with a little mountain, into a little tree, into a little warrior tube,
and into some dream league action with the Podchamp Pandas.
Welcome back everyone to a more dream league season 28 action where someone's looking
a little stiff.
We're looking a little stiff there, Avery.
Aw yeah.
What's the issue?
I injured my back.
Why didn't you join us for the yoga?
That's why.
That's why you should.
No, because I injured my back.
We can't do yoga.
And you don't want to be rehabilitated, you just want to stay within the dark.
The last night I was watching the series and I said, you know, there's no way Aurora
loses a series to Dog Liquid.
If they lose a series, God's might be down and he instantly just snapped my spine in half.
So, unlucky working to you, you know.
But, PartyVision today is going to end their streak.
I'm extremely confident, you know.
PartyVision have all the teams.
Seems the team has only won one game through.
One game through a game.
That's right, it's gotta be the ultimate upset of the group stage.
Liquid overconfident, egotistical.
These are the things that I think of when I think of this team.
Condescension.
These are the words regularly associated with tofu of all players.
If anyone should be injured right now, it's Ted.
Ted, you had quite the experience yesterday, I'm told.
Yes, me and Mira, can I talk about this?
This is okay to talk about, right?
Why not?
It wasn't really that bad.
where our Uber driver was struck by a bus, where his car was.
And we had to give chase because the bus wouldn't stop.
So we chased him through the bus depot,
and it was quite dramatic, it was exciting.
Nothing really came of it.
I'm sure it'll all be sorted out to ensure
it really wasn't that dramatic.
But it was fun at the time.
That's thrilling moments.
We were in a car chase.
I've never been in a car chase before.
Didn't want to be in a car chase.
The driver just took off.
It was good.
Yeah, I know.
Along to the road.
It was a very short cartridge, it was about 5 seconds.
Yeah, you were also chasing a bus, so I can't imagine you were going that fast.
And it was in a depot, as meh woulda go.
Probably took about as long as that Maus vs Falcons series. Am I right?
Let's take a look at some of the highlights from yesterday.
Highlights?
And maybe some lowlights as well.
There were highlights from yesterday. There were some pretty sweet team fights that took place in that Aurora vs Liquid series.
But we started off today with Extreme vs Tundra, where...
Did my boy, Almey, win?
He did not, A3.
Oh, no.
Tragically.
Oh!
He tried his best, though.
But Tundra were not phased by their previous series
versus Aurora, which was the day before,
which was a heartbreaking game three loss in like 75 minutes.
And Tundra just brushed it off and said, whatever.
I don't care.
Almey, I'm going to take you to school.
Yeah, Extreme was getting better,
but it's not like they were performing miracles in there.
Please, Papal, I want the Christmases of XG victory.
You may find it today, but you weren't going to find it yesterday.
Oh!
After that, we had a party vision versus a Beth Boom team.
The liquid flares as Avery has been calling them.
Um, they did not...
Without any evidence.
They did not do particularly well.
They won one game in this series.
They won their very first game of Group Stage 2 in this series.
So we crossed the party vision for that.
Miro, what a monster.
No, no.
The Mars performance.
It was very, very good.
Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho!
How many two-man spears did he get on, Kez?
I think the serial's just going up, because everybody is already on it.
Nobody wants to give an enemy team ours right now, because there's too many players popping off on the serial.
I've got a question for you guys. Why isn't Dornbreaker ever getting picked?
It's a good question, Ted.
Because I feel like, as a response to all these Marses, he drops the arena.
You can Dorn out in and buy some time for whoever stuck in there.
You know, has the magic community to get out, et cetera, et cetera.
It doesn't feel like it would be the worst pick in the world.
The lane is weak and it farms incredibly slow.
Okay, well, and that's that.
Also, there's the fast way where you lose sight of them.
Yeah, I hate that one.
Yeah.
This was the Falcons vs. Maus series.
This may have been one of the less memorable series that we had from yesterday,
as Maus just seemed lost at sea right now.
Yeah, I'm not going Maus anymore. Jesus Christ.
losing against standing falcons who had a stand-in for their stand-in. They got corrupted
in a lot who I haven't seen before.
Is that a Dota first?
A stand-in for your stand-in?
To go standing and then the next day of the stand-in. Yeah, I didn't think I've ever
seen that.
Yeah, I've never seen a stand-in get kicked.
One day.
It's kind of wild when you think about it.
Now this team fight was a highlight from yesterday.
Oh, yeah, that's the lick my face is for you.
Five-man spear, the double spear to the triple spear.
Oh, yeah, Neil.
I'm sorry, that's the only moment that you'll see
of Liquid losing as they did clean up the rest of the series.
You know, in the middle of that game too, when they won a big team fight,
took two lanes of Barracks, I messaged Blitz.
I was like, thank you, I needed that prediction.
He messaged me back, he said, what the fuck?
We just lost.
I was like, huh?
I said, I'm sorry, I'm watching the stream.
I'm a little bit behind.
Liquid are just cooking right now, man.
They're something, they're in the zone.
Yeah.
Four and O.
They have not dropped a single series thus far.
But today.
Against Party Vision, the only team that has your expectation.
Look, Neil, I'm serious.
If I learned anything in the history of playing this game,
it is always the team that is like the most dead,
the most zombified.
I mean, the most spite and nothing to lose.
It always beats the top dog.
And you're like, how did this happen?
That's subvert expectations.
You're on to something there.
Maus versus Parry Vision, who's more zombified?
Parry, I think, honestly.
Because I think Parry had higher hopes.
Yes.
So therefore.
It's bad to say they've lost more of the mojo.
Yeah, this was supposed to be a honeymoon period, right?
You coach, you play here instead.
Maybe it's an annulment period.
I would have thought that Maus also,
if they're compelling, I mean, Dave, they're the only ones
out of those two teams that have won anything so far this season.
They were Milwaukee champions.
Yeah, that was their honeymoon.
Now we're into, you know, regular doldrums of life.
Now we're into the marriage story era.
Now they've moved in together.
They've realized that each has a disgusting habit
they can't live with.
Mm-hmm.
For the seat left up.
One keeps using the other's toothbrush.
Parting uncontrollably, all this kind of stuff.
And you think I've made a terrible mistake.
Like working with Avery.
For Spiderman.
Never had you packed as a stuffed toy, man.
Okay. Thank you.
If I am... Who doesn't like stuffed toys?
I'm going to be adorable.
Are you a task man, Avery?
He's a task master.
He has not contributed one Iota to the task.
I'm not sure I broke that egg and spilled all over the place.
We were making a cake. Captain contributed it differently.
All the contributions of it.
You're welcome.
So I can't wait to see what you do today.
Yesterday we completed some LEGO sets.
Well, we worked on a LEGO set,
Night Shift completed a LEGO set,
as we have been having a variety of tasks
over the course of Dream League Street from 28.
Effie and I feverishly walking away, working away,
and trying to make the Himeji Castle
as a period also handedly contributing.
We made like the first two thirds of the platform.
Yeah, you guys were actually really working on it.
Like I was casting, I was looking over there,
still working on the Lego cat.
Well, it's like, maybe this is the one.
They'll win this one.
But then it turns out, Neil, did you see this?
Production sabotaged you guys.
Wait, what happened here?
Oh my god, there's so many pieces.
Their puzzle, their Lego piece, it was less pieces.
What?
Wow, look at that.
That's right.
It was like 350 less pieces than your guys.
I believe that's the Trevi fountain in Rome.
I've seen it, IRL.
What was the piece difference, Cap?
It was like 350 less pieces.
What?
Wait, we lost?
Hell yeah, we lost.
Yeah, because they completed it.
I was thinking about this last night actually,
and staying on my own mortality,
has what it's been doing when they get to Ted's age.
And I realized I want something from you all.
Tell me, Naverett.
When I die, I want you all in my funeral
so that morning shift can let me down one last time.
Yeah.
Classic line.
It's a classic joke, but it applies here, Neil,
because you all suck.
I don't know what you're talking about.
We're going real bad.
If golf rules.
Where's your evidence?
The line of heroes on the left of the screen.
Yeah, exactly.
What's the max number of points you guys can get?
Today's Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
You guys can get five.
The best score you can get is five to the left through.
Some of them are worth two.
They can arbitrarily make any game worth
and there's an amount of points.
I forgot.
We could pull it back to 10 to 11,
assuming they're all worth two.
And if the final task is worth, say, five,
there's a chance we snipe it right at the end.
Or she would get like a 20-0 on you guys.
But we could see ParaVision to her team Liquid, I suppose.
Driven by Ross, Spite, and Rage.
Maybe we can make that comeback, but it would have to start today,
much as how much these other teams need to start their comebacks today.
Could we get today's task delivery brought on by DiscoBooom!
He needs to show you something.
Yeah.
Come on.
Come on.
What's he got?
He's got a tank.
Small box.
What's this thing?
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
That's actually...
You almost had one.
You almost had me, Disco Bob.
That cute Disco Bob.
There you go, Tyrion.
Thank you very much, Disco Bob, as we've got the task for today.
Tyrion, read the card.
I've been promised that you guys actually have a chance this time.
I say that every time.
I want to play a game.
Open box one.
When you complete that box, progress on to box two, etc.
The team that completes all boxes the fastest
or completes the most boxes wins.
Why did the card need to chew on it?
You just tore it off emphatically.
I want to play a game, Ted.
Well then take the first box, Avery.
Cast hashtag level three out of five.
What are we looking at here, Ted?
There's puzzle.
Not puzzle, puzzle.
Puzzle puzzle do it Avery you love get it get it Avery's a puzzle man
This is my son John
What we got here this is like a puzzle box of some kind I
Seem that opening the packaging is all those in there man. Yeah, there's more. There's some paperwork
Oh wow, that's small.
Thank you little guy.
Okay.
Puzzle.
Puzzle provides puzzles for adults which are solved using a blend of inspiration and
logic.
Oh yeah, that's the advertising.
Let's list.
The white-shaped pieces intervene with each other for the perfect balance.
The pieces all fall apart instantaneously, unbelievable when considering all the straight
moves you make with the pieces to take them apart.
So there's something that you do that causes the whole thing to fall apart, it's a puzzle
box.
So we need to separate them?
Yeah, apparently so.
That ain't me.
I quite like these.
Yeah, so you just take it apart.
Does it really take it apart?
I've got a blowtorch in the back, so let's be free.
Does a Bond villain need to be good at puzzles too?
Why?
To give, uh, give Avery a crack at it, so that way the casters have done something.
No, because I was told that I've never contributed once, so...
You're not getting in the mood of the saw vibes.
These handcuffs come off, you just jiggle the right piece.
I think I saw, I've seen slilings before.
Yeah, at your mom's house.
Ehhhhh!
Do a part of it!
That's a good one.
That's a good shot actually.
Someone send that to me, someone send that to me.
Send that to me what you want that clipped?
Send that picture to me at 10-4 size 69 at Gmail Buckeye.
Make sure.
Dad, you're cracking away at that one, you sent him a treat.
Yeah, give it a go away. I do like a puzzle like this.
I can see some potential here.
I see a lot of potential in all the teams that are competing here on the journey to the Esports World Cup.
Because potential is all we have to realize right now.
We have the numbers on how many points are being awarded at these dream leagues and the
numbers of your slot allocations.
Holy shit!
12 teams!
The top 12 teams are going to make direct invite to the eSports World Cup 2026.
And then we will have the defending champions of Team Spirit in attendance and then 11 teams
from regional qualifiers.
Look at my boys, Parry, doing so great.
They are doing great.
Number two, Parry, about to destroy the 10th rank liquid.
Not even close, Neil.
Not even close.
Yeah, but it's been an upset city.
Number one, Yandex is already out of the tournament.
That is number three, Spirit.
Yeah, but my boy, Omay, on the rise.
Orphans is climbing.
Fan climbing, Neil.
Number six, OG.
Yeah.
Stairway to Heaven was written about extreme gaming.
Wow.
It seems believable.
I'm sure there is some Chinese social media lore out there.
Oh, he's taking off the glasses.
Oh, wow.
He's inspecting.
I've never seen Ted take off glasses.
Seth Tony's watching.
Orin LeCherry, of course.
I don't want to see this anymore.
In addition to being able to have the glory and the honor
of doing so well, a lot of these teams also
get pretty penny in their purse.
You see the EPG points on the far right side, but we're giving club rewards.
Oh, Ted has solved it.
Ted has solved it.
Box number two.
Box number two.
Give him the $250,000 for first place.
Box number one complete.
Box number one complete.
Box, box, box, box, box, box, box, box.
Box number two has been awarded to Ted.
Wow.
Okay.
Good job, Ted.
Thank you.
You're on the roll.
All four, the tic-tac-toe is gone now.
Look, you get a round of applause from Mr. Panda.
Nice.
I'm looking for it.
Welcome.
This is, uh, past level.
Uh, uh, uh, uh.
Where am I going?
Where's he going?
Where's he going?
There we go.
There you go.
Sorry, camera guy.
Low four.
No.
This is a level four.
I thought it was in my garage.
So paperwork here says, ah, do you
shake bolts and for nuts?
This looks like a combination of spare parts, but it looks un-deceiving.
This puzzle comes with a deviously hidden trick.
The key to unlocking these parts is to look carefully at each part first.
It's a theme as complexity.
Thank you.
The theme is complexity.
It says...
I haven't heard that name in a long time.
The ghost of Kyle continues to haunt us.
We can see the team names that we will be seeing for today.
I can show you the schedule of our four best of threes for this day of group stage two.
We're going to start things off with a Betboom Team versus Extreme Gaming.
After that, it's Liquid losing to Parry Vision, apparently.
It's already been predetermined, followed by Falcons versus Tundra,
and the Knight will be capped off with Aurora Gaming versus Maus.
This is possibly the most boring day or the most interesting.
Exactly.
Because these are some one-sided matchups.
Literally the top four teams versus the bottom four teams in every single matchup.
You got to screw through the hole.
And we can see if the theme is complex today.
What are you talking about?
Try dropping it.
I was going to go like this and there'll be a point where this bolt will slide past the
other.
I must say, for broadcasting, this is not a particularly great book.
It's just Ted's hands.
You can't even see the puzzle.
This is highly engaging content.
I'm at the edge of my seat right now.
I'm almost got this one, I think.
I believe in you, Ted. You got the first one really fast.
He's been getting a lot, actually.
and then topping the charts of our predictions
to have the mastermind, 21 correct predictions so far
over group stage one and group stage two.
What can I say?
What can you say?
Well, I can say it's not that hard to predict
that the teams that are good and better than the others
are gonna continue to be so.
It is difficult because you have to put your spike aside.
And that is very troublesome for...
Now explain to the people why you hate LitQuid.
I don't, I just think it's funny.
It's just a good bit.
I just do it because they are the most beloved team.
Yeah, Avery hates happiness, enjoy, and laughter.
I don't even dislike Liquid, I dislike the fact
that they don't have a single hater.
Right.
That's what I dislike.
I think every team should have at least one hater.
And they're just so lovable, they have no hate.
There's nothing to dislike about this team.
Therefore, I dislike that.
And that's why only you and Jenkins believe in
The Haryvish and Slayers.
Hell yeah, brothers.
Ooh, Effie backed that boom.
Effie backed that boom over extreme gaming.
I think that's unreasonable.
Convinced by yesterday's performance.
And after that,
Jenkins is the only one
to technically believe in Mouset.
That one, that one is definitely the most questionable.
That's just impossible.
Like Falcon, like all these,
the first three, it's like, yeah, I can kind of see it.
It's possible.
I could kind of see it, it's possible.
Well, so for Falcons, if they were with ATF,
then I think that that would be a play close to 50-50.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But currently with a stand-in versus Tundra,
I am not in charge.
They also, like even with ATF, they were not in top form.
Yeah.
I actually think that this is the dream league floor.
It's like every team is not really playing that well,
which has kind of made some of the matches interesting
as a result.
And Liquid's just kind of like, they have the highest floor of most teams.
Falcons is another one of those teams.
That mouse matchup was a great example of it.
This guy got skill-checked by Falcons.
Mouse is not in good enough form to beat a bad Falcon, so...
I would like a note that I have conceded six points in this contest
by betting against Liquid in series today.
Don't even care.
You got all the rest right.
So if you had bet on Liquid, you would be on top of like 24 or something.
Wow, that is honestly commitment to fight.
I love that.
I committed.
I woke up to stay and I said, is there a chance Parry can beat them?
Then I said, I'm asking the wrong questions.
What's the right question?
Do I want them to beat them?
The answer is?
Hell yes.
Because that would be funny as hell.
It would be pretty funny, mostly if it comes true, and that'll be later on in the day though,
because we have to start things off with our first series.
It's time to get into a Bed Boon team versus extreme gaming.
Alright, so, for this matchup I decided to take a look at the off-laders, and I think
we're gonna have some statistics up, so we got Miero going up against XXS.
I feel like a big storyline for Bed Boom coming into the series has been their improvement in Teamfights.
And generally speaking, XG always been a Teamfight team, always been very strong in Teamfights.
And the main characters for that kind of position, well that's the two offlaners.
So as you can see, they're pretty closely matched in a lot of regards when you look at the statistics.
They have some differences in their hero pools.
And yeah, Miro generally speaking, maybe a little bit more active into making moves for the earlier parts of the game.
And X-XS kind of like, vibes it out and does different things in different games.
And unfortunately no hero pool to be shown.
But the most interesting difference is that Miero seems to be a little bit more enthusiastic
about playing Largo than X-XS is.
So I'm curious to see how the bands and stuff will go.
I think X-XS did mention in an interview that his Largo maybe he likes to play it, but maybe
it's not super ready.
It's not his most comfortable hero yet.
So, I think that'll be an interesting drafting, and yeah, just the hero pools are different,
but they do a lot of kind of similar things.
They both look to play some sort of teamfight heroes for this patch.
Thank you very much, Aiden, come on down and join us, because yes, stylistic differences
have been our easiest thing to point out when we're looking at extreme gaming matchups,
Quinn.
And perhaps in terms of offlaners, these two are a little bit more aligned than some
of the other matchups.
Yeah, I would say so. I think they're both players that are kind of down to play anything for the most part.
X6S is gonna typically, typically gravitate more toward the stunners, but when I look like historically at these players,
Miro is kind of like, yeah, I'll play whatever's good. X6S is kind of like, yeah, I'll play whatever's good.
And I think so, I think they are like quite similar players in a lot of ways.
And I think they're also players that play about as well as their team is doing.
I don't think they typically get over-performed and if their team is really bad,
I think they also tend to look kind of bad.
And so I think they're like they're sort of cogs in a machine type players and in terms of the favorites
Aiden I think the hero that I would immediately associate both these players with is Mars
I think I access Mars. I think Miro Mars. Yeah, I mean Mars is just good right now. You know, that's just kind of
other matters and most these players are just kind of forced to play it and
To be honest, I don't think like anyone really stands out on the hero except
You know, the obvious contenders in collapse and ATF and unfortunately neither of them here to show us.
No, that's not true.
Yeah, that's where he started.
Um, but yeah, they're both Mars players.
They both play like coincide the meta heroes.
I think when I think of Miro, I think his best quality is that he always knows what's good in the meta and he always plays what's good in the meta.
It doesn't matter.
Like if it's zoo, if it's stuns, he will do get the job done.
And X-XS I think is very much like
Like if you look at the Chinese pool of offlaners, he's the equivalent in China.
Then where's Largo gonna start bubbling up then?
Because if we're talking meta and you're talking offlaners, Largo has to be in the conversation
right now.
I think it could appear at any point for X6S.
Like I'm sure he's practicing it, obviously.
We don't know when he feels ready, but he will know.
And at that point, I think it will start popping up a lot more.
Yeah, because in addition to that, we also were noting Batrider, I think was the other
one that XR Gaming have not been leaning on that much, despite being incredibly meta,
and they brought it out yesterday.
Yeah, I mean, he looked honestly kind of sus on it, I won't lie.
Like they were playing as Tundra who was just skill-diffing them like crazy all across the
map, but I do think somehow on these more farm-oriented offlaners, I don't know if it's an X-XS issue
or if it's a team issue, but it does not look very good for them, because like Largo is
not a mechanically difficult area to play.
It's not like it's super complicated.
Everyone knows about the AX time, because you just strum, strum, strum.
Really hard.
on stacked camps who farm fast and congratulations so to me it's like it
has to be a team thing or out of psychological things something but like
him on farming heroes recently at least does not look particularly well me
agreed well me you got a rhythm gamer said you don't find Largo
intuitive Neil if we ever get to hang out and play Guitar Hero or something
you'll you'll see for yourself yeah on my vibe I have yet to play Largo and I'm
I haven't really played much Mars either. I'm still trying to understand just why this hero is so strong,
because I get it, the arena is pretty cool and everything, not being able to see inside it.
Is that the big thing that's blind inside the arena?
Because obviously when we're watching we can see both perspectives.
Is that it? Or is it just, oh, he does everything well?
Because if he does everything well, why aren't they banning it?
No, I wouldn't really say it's about the fast, but for the most part people don't even take that one.
take the one that heals when you get a kill inside the Victory Feast.
Yeah, I think, honestly, the hero's biggest trade is just, he's a strong laner, he's a melee hero,
and he's both a starter, so he's got a stun, but he also has teamfight.
I think a lot of the heroes that are like blink fight starters sometimes don't have teamfight,
and Mars kind of has both. Also, Rena is like specifically good in this way that it's really
good against turret heroes, because you can just hide inside the arena and use this wall,
which is like very good in certain contexts. We've just got a lot of tools, and he's also a melee
a hero who's good at laning, or at least solid at laning. Most heroes don't check all those.
He's just a box checker, really. You pick him, and he's like, oh, we got a team fight,
we have stuns, and we have good lane. That's three very good things.
Checklist complete. Let's take a look at the full Venn diagram, though, in Stania. I want
to see both these heroes, both these players' hero pulls in their entire day.
Sure. Let's take a look. So if we could get the hero statistics up now, there you go.
They see, they're not necessarily the same heroes, but it's the same, like, archetype
hero a lot. It's like very much control, very much some sort of teamfight, a lot of stuns,
Miro obviously with a little bit more variety, and you can see the bigger the images the more
they played it. So I think the biggest size is 3 games plus, and then it drops off from there.
So yeah, I mean these are the heroes, a lot of teamfight I feel like is like the main thing here
that I wanted to display. Yeah, the one Largo game that we have for Ex-Ex-Mess was against
gamer legion and he lost that game and that was a while ago so they've kind of shied away from it but
i think the deeper you go into this group stage two the more your lack of versatility will be
exploited play teams yeah and you're also going to be put more in positions where you might just
be forced to play it you know what i mean like where it's like a lot of heroes get banned out
and now largo is in the pool because people want to abuse the fact that you don't play it
and you'll be forced to do it i also wanted to add to the march point i feel like in this current
It's very nice to be able to kill heroes, which sounds very basic, but to be able to burst someone down very quickly, I think is very good.
And Mars has that ability in the early game, especially when he hits 6.
It's a very easy hero to rotate to and kind of ramp up the game with the arena.
And I think that's one of the reasons he's so strong in the current meta on top of everything we could mention.
That's the off-laner conversation.
I'm intrigued in the mid-laner conversation.
GPK versus NTS, how these two players been inspiring you
or discouraging you over this group stage?
I don't know if either one is inspiring me in particular.
I think it's quite a stylistic clash
because GPK is the kind of player who wants to win lane,
he wants to abuse you, he wants to snowball on NTS.
He's like, I'm chilling, I'm just chilling guys.
Don't mind me guys, I'm just chilling.
I'm just chilling, I'm just having some stacks here,
it's cool guys, I'm not hurting anybody.
And then he comes up and goes, bam!
And I don't do this blink.
So I think it's a bit of like it's one guy trying to dodge and the other guy trying to attack him
I think that's like sort of the theme for the I like late for the series for mid
Because then he has just not the kind of player who's gonna try to stop you. He didn't do that
He's not like that how much of it is dependent on his supports joining in on the fray though because I know back in the day
one of the best ways to beat GPK was to
Antagonize in mid and not just with your mid laner, but with the supports rotating in contesting runes things like that
I think that depends a lot on draft. I think so much of the mid skirmishing depends on the heroes, because often times there's the mid-match upstair.
But then also there's how the support heroes interact with each other. Like if you've got some real weak hero against Clockwork on one side of the map,
it's difficult for that support to actually get to mid because the clock can kind of just fight him and zone him off in a way, like on the way to the river.
So this rune sort of gets choked off, and now can you fight the other one, right?
And so so much of that is if they have jikiro and then some other Chad for like maybe you just can't contest the
Runes because their chads are zoning off your little weak supports
And so the river kind of becomes their domain
So a lot of it comes down to how do the heroes actually interact on top of like the laning and stuff
What are the Chad for is Tosca Chad for us can be Chad a lot of the
Yeah, a lot of outside of jikiro being just like this monolith of terror like I think you can just slap them into any
Yeah, exactly. Gigi here walks into a dark alley with literally anything on earth.
Godzilla, I don't care who, he's gonna go puh puh, and there's their cook.
Besides that, it depends a little bit.
And then the last matchup that we get to touch on,
Kiritich versus Ame and Sanya.
Now, for the majority of this tournament, we have not been too enthused by Kiritich.
He's been getting the job done, but he hasn't been standing out necessarily,
as we tend to expect from Eastern European carries.
However, recently I think he's starting to raise up the bar a little bit.
I was like, Batboom as a whole have been doing that.
Uh, Kyrothich himself, I feel like he's kind of doing the same thing he's always been doing.
I think this guy is like very consistent. He pretty much always
looks about the same in every single game. And I think that's, for Batboom right now,
it means that a lot of the Star Factor has to come from dpk.
Yeah. Simply put. Uh, it's, you know, it's a way to set up the team where your mid laner is a bit
more like the dominant star and uh yeah I think heritage is more like a dude for them right now
hopefully he can rise into becoming like more of a yatora-esque type player I think if you have to
lean him in one direction or the other he's probably more hard carry farm oriented leaning uh
but just hasn't like reached his full potential is this going to be Aiden's most hated draft
the minus armor strength oh my wait it's did you have minus armor oh my god well I'm glad we
We mentioned it already so we don't have to bring it up again.
Well, we need two heroes on one team four. We really get the lean heavy on it.
I'm so excited.
I'm so excited. Yo, financial spirit, Shadow Fiend.
Alright, now we list all the heroes, yeah, exactly. List all the heroes that have minus armor.
That could be potential things.
Shadow Fiend's banned though.
Ah, Shadow Fiend's out.
Well, I guess it's not an armor strap then.
Well, the SF Slaughter, you know, they saw it come in.
The minus armor strategy from an extreme game name.
They banned out the Shadow Fiend, the Trem Protector, the Shadow Demon, and as a Bat Rider,
extreme offline heavy bends or well I guess technically a Beastmaster goes
anywhere these days. Largo Beastmaster, Windranger, and Tusk.
Seems like anywhere but offline. That is true actually. He's not that much of an
offline or if anything. The Dom build is just so incredibly all-in. There's also
so many heroes that kill the boars in lane so if you commit to playing boars
against two heroes and it's kind of crap compared to mid the boars are much
better because it's just one guy for one hero to nuke the boars down. If you're
They're flying safe, and they pick one dude with Nuke, and you kind of just nuke the boars and hit them, and they give like an insane amount of XP, so it's very, very risky to play through the Wild Hunt facet.
That makes sense.
And yeah, surprisingly, Shakiro's flips through all the way to second phase ban.
I think it's rare that I've seen both teams open with cores, like, unabashedly in phase one.
Without shame.
Without shame.
Do you think they should feel shame, Todd?
I mean if they pick a razor as well then they should feel shame because I played against the razor viper last night and it was bloody miserable
Both of them. Yeah, both razor and viper mid
He was razor awfully
And they had some miserable bloody thing carry as well
I just brought them. I mean it must be what it's like playing against falcons, but they just pick shit like that
You're like, they pick razor. They're not gonna also pick viper then they do. You're like, what the hell is going on?
Also, we've seen Razors. Haven't we seen Razor as a carry in this tournament as well?
We have.
I've seen him as all three.
He's too much crap.
I think for me, it takes me by surprise the most because Xtreme has oftentimes been opting for Phoenix as soon as it's available.
But this time, they find more value in early Slaughter.
Yeah, the heroes banned a lot versus them. I think partly because it's a flex for them.
NTS is also a very prolific slaughter player, but on top of that, I think it fits like this enabling your hyper carry type deal,
you give the guy minus armor and then I'll make with minus armor.
Minus armor, he annihilates them, so I think it fits this team. It's also a blink stun hero.
It scales well, it's tanky, it has a lot of things that Chinese teams typically like in a draft,
and I think XXS is also very, very good at that hero.
He's a blank stunner that fits into the archetype
So I don't know if he has touched on this already, but Amar also
Used to back in the day when he was like only razor only timber only viper
Remember he used to think that Sardar was very good against razor because a few times I saw him playing as razor
Sardar would be a frequent pick of this
But I think he likes the matchup from Sardar side interesting
Yeah, is that because the idea is you blow up the razor before he gets too much damage off you or I think the bonus damage from the bash or
Yeah, I think the main thing is to start out like when he works correctly in a minus armor strategy
He amplifies the damage on razor and razor dies very quickly, right?
And he's like razors vipers
They don't like playing as heavy single target damage that kind of just kills them because they just want to run around and be annoying and
They're damaged kind of the exact like it takes time to build up
Man said you don't need me anymore. I've been teaching you too much in the green room. It's good
He's leading the prediction leader boards. Yes. He already knows what I'm gonna say before I say it
It does.
I don't know if it's gonna be the best.
It'll all be gone.
Next event, it'll be like I've never played Doe before.
But the final day of this event, you're gonna be like, what's the biggest genius?
We need three blue heroes.
Yo, blue heroes threat?
Minus armor threat?
Well, both teams going for blue hero minus armor threat.
It's pretty strong.
You would think getting like two pro players on the panel, you'd get less memes, but it's actually opposite.
I asked you till we get more.
You spent E.U.2.
Yeah.
Well.
Take a hero that's not blue, I'm actually gonna lose it.
I remember there was like one event we went to
where they asked us about this
because all of our cards were color scheme.
No!
Oh!
Well, it's the Sweden colors kind of.
What?
Yellow?
Almost.
Almost?
That's yellow.
That's not yellow, she's green.
That's yellow.
I mean, she's definitely green,
but it's like yellow adjacent.
That's yellow.
I mean, if we wanted a yellow hero,
I would have wanted Phoenix.
Phoenix is so good for extreme gaming
And yet they keep not picking it right now.
Phoenix is yellow.
Isn't Phoenix in a red?
You think Phoenix is orange?
Who do you think is more yellow?
Hoodwinker Phoenix.
That's red.
That's red.
What's some yellow accents?
What flag is this?
Red, yellow, blue.
That's a yellow on a pat.
Dude, I feel like his hat says,
Romania.
You could read whatever language it is.
Like, I feel like there's something real sus.
It's like, that's the eye that's fucking stones,
do you remember?
Oh, yeah.
Splat sent like a day.
Decoding them decoding the runes that I think that's the remaining flag. Isn't it red yellow blue?
Yes, I think so. Also, maybe
Moldova, I think might be those colors as well
There's a lot of countries in Europe that have that flag red yellow blue. Yeah, just like different configurations
I think every come almost another blue. That is another bevel is actually a bit
Blue boy. I don't like their heroes, but I like their colors
I don't like this album
We've seen it a few times, and I'll be honest with you, so far, what it looks like to me is
Abaddon survives the fight, and then it's just chasing Abaddon, because his whole team is dead.
And meanwhile, he's just running about, not really doing much. That's what it's looked like.
I feel like he's like a counter-pick hero. If you pick it into some axe or something, you know it's going to snowball,
and you know it's going to do really, really well. Your hero feels very strong.
I think Slaughter is like, like there is some ideas there with like shield purging to amplify, you know, being burstable very quickly, but as a like strong counter pick, I don't really see it.
To be honest, in a lot of ways I think Slaughter is pretty good against the badden, because you can pop his ult insanely quickly, and like you'll pop his ult in one crush plus a bash if you have anyone with you, and then you reset and you kind of, you just go all around, and then at some point like it's also, amp is such a low cooldown,
like a bad nightingale wants to purge longer cooldown things not to mention
I think a bad lexicon play against heroes that span a lot of spells in lane because you get stick charges
But slaughter is like he uses some spells or something crazy not to mention
He's got attack speed slow on his W. So against any melee hero slaughter trades super duper well, you know
I've heard you talk quite a bit about stick charges for certain heroes and how it's good for them because of stick charges
Why does Abaddon?
Why is he so much better with stick charges than any other hero?
Is he has such a small mana pool and he just needs that anyway or any hero would be good against anyone that's mana?
I mean a lot of a lot of the spells that are best for spamming are ones that have really good like damage to mana ratios and
Shield is both like HP because it's good for trading because obviously you're tanking so but it also does damage
Which means that it's like total value for the mana it costs is very high and his spamming it is limited by the fact
His mana pool is not that high, it's a relatively expensive spell.
So if you get to cast more of them, you're getting more value,
essentially because you get to get your HP and damage.
Also the fast that they play on Averon lowers the cooldown,
whenever things die.
So you also get more value out of the timer ticking
if you could just be spamming it off cooldown.
Ted, you're being very smart.
You have to give me the puzzle then, because...
Why? How am I being smart?
You're asking good questions.
This is hard, Neil.
I... I... I don't...
I managed to get it past the first nut,
but then it's the second nut.
There's some trick to do with the the flex of the nut.
Impressive discipline.
We got a key nut counter for Ted for the day.
Whoa! Whoa!
How many times have you...
Nutted?
Nutted so far, Ted.
This is two right now.
Do I say it like five times?
Nutt?
Six.
Just a funny word.
My stream did not get the memo on the color schemes.
They're like nothing matches with each other.
Or on what I said about the mid-heroes, they've totally flipped the script and NTS is playing Quad, so...
They showed me.
Yeah.
And XG does this. I know I did like a last streaming, I had like a whole tech segment about them where I was talking about Ame, like how he doesn't really connect to fights.
A lot of moves happen on his lane, people come to him, he doesn't go to them.
And in that game he plays like Windrunner and he's gating at like level 4, just showing up and throwing a random Power Shot and I'm like, well...
Unlucky, you know?
Thanks a lot, man.
Some teams do that, too.
Yeah, thank you.
Color is the opposite of blue in your mind.
Orange?
Isn't yellow the complementary?
That's a nice try-hard tsunami.
Nice actually knowing the real answer.
This guy thinks he knows the colors.
Exactly.
This guy thinks he knows colors.
Yeah.
No one also knows colors?
A four-year-old.
You a four-year-old couldn't solve this puzzle, though.
It's tough.
So the key is to look closely at the parts.
So there's something to do, if I may show you.
No, you focus on the draft.
You're being the smart one right now.
There's something to do with the nuts, nut on the bolt.
There's some point on it where things can slide past.
You have a look.
He's got blue hair.
That's why they're doing a blue draft.
Alright, he has the ultimate.
The next thing after minus armor strategy is that like the complementary here was
starter when like because every single carry deals physical damage and aura but
you have to specifically mention that clink's really likes to abuse the fact
that slaughter gives minus armor and he can burst heroes even quicker oh my god
synergy is amazing terror blade then wouldn't he be good here he's got tons
of armor my boy why so it's kind of a sus
This Necro game, it's Offlane Necro against Cleanse?
Necro against Crop is rough right?
In mid or what?
Just in general.
I don't think it's that bad.
Not that bad?
I mean, eventually it doesn't get great.
It's Offlane.
I see.
Yeah, Miro did play it.
Why would he be good against Clonx?
Is it?
I mean, you can do the Ghost Shroud and he can't click you, I guess.
Yeah, but for Laning I don't think it's about nice.
Generally, Necro likes to play against more melee heroes where you get value out of like
You know how Quinn mentioned the shield in the novel?
Yeah, yeah.
Necro Q is kind of the same thing, where it heals and deals damage,
and you don't want to use...
get value out of both factors.
So consider this, at the very least,
it is very hard to bully Necro out because of the amount of regen that he gets,
so maybe they just think,
look, Miero, you can just like, live in the off lane.
It's gonna be hard for them to chisel you down.
You've got the heal.
Who are they gonna pair him with?
It's gonna be save on Tiny, right?
So Tiny Necro?
Tiny Necro.
Yep.
I mean, it will say to XG's detriment, I think their heroes are somewhat ugly, like I think Warlock Clinks is very dysfunctional safe lane.
You don't use the heal at all, you have no kill threat, it's just kind of like spam poke lane, Warlocks.
It's two dudes.
Oh wait, do you get, um, do you get sadist stacks?
If you get fatal bonds, did you get the imp?
Do you get sadist stacks by killing the imp?
For sure.
For sure.
But I think it's two hits right?
That's one hit for the imp, isn't it?
It depends on your damage, it's not...
Yeah, I think it should be too, I don't think he actually is going to get this one.
Press Q.
Off on the Warlock Volumes?
Yeah.
There we go.
I mean, Nekro's in the game so I have to vote for Nekro because I just love that hero.
Yeah, one of my favorites.
Me and Queen, how about she?
Very much similar mid-pool.
He's a little better than me.
Debatable.
A little better than me.
I played in a while.
But I'm all in on Nekro, my boy.
I want it to win, I want to see more of it.
Here's still a bit of a mystery a bit of a puzzle and we'll see if we can maybe figure it out
It's beginning to game number one with calf and a speech
You know, I was expecting to see a Necrophilus at some point in this mess.
up did not think he was going to be this game against these heroes. None of these heroes
are particularly countered by Necrophos. In fact, if you look at the pub stats anyway,
most of these heroes have an advantage against Necrophos. So I'm confused. Avery, maybe you
have the answers.
Avery-Miro did play before. He does enjoy the hero. It's a solid Aura buyer if you want
an aura here from the off lane, and you go that route. Those provide you a lot of sustain,
they have a lot of sustain in this lineup between the Necro and the Abaddon. A lot of HP they
can pump into this Razor, keep them alive in the fight. Outside of that though, yeah,
do not see clear purpose in terms of the matchups. I'm not sure it does a lot for Beckham's lineup
either.
Yeah, I don't think so.
Kind of whatever.
I felt like you wanted more
Initiation instead of just relying on tiny in order to set up razors like razored once more more initiation more stunts
I kind of like actually better for it
I think it's a very risky hero to pick without a very clear purpose or lane that it's absolutely gonna death to me
In theory, it's an okay laner against warlock lanes
Maybe that's what I'm just learning all the way that can do good against warlock
It's like some of those situations where you see some hero that had Nigma used to pick a Nigma.
That boom do often go to these kind of heroes from Miro.
Tommy, it's just taking it to Miro.
Ex-Nova didn't really follow him up too much and they just battle it out.
Okay.
Hey, Ex-Nova and Tommy were clearly not on the same memo.
Not at all.
And it is really important to be on the same page for the early ways against Necro because that is when the hero is the most abusal.
His level one is really bad.
And it's often a lot of the reason we don't see the hero
is you just cannot get through the level 1 to 3 period on this hero
without dying once or twice and falling behind and then
just a slow jungle farmer takes a long time to build up
so the fact that they win that trade is a big deal
or that's not what they're doing now, he's taking a break
he says fine, if you wanna help me
oh you go get the last hit
really weird sequence
there's no way you're supposed to die low on a clinch hand knacker
No. Like that is just...
That's just a brain lapse in this lane for actually no way around it.
Well, what about the other matchups? We got a badden disruptor against Hoodwink's Lordar,
so a very aggressive duo from Extreme, but it's into an opponent.
Oh, they should be chilling down here. This lane's really strong.
I don't think they're disrupting enough pressure in that they're able to chase heroes down.
Maybe you get a clutch glimpse on the side or something if that fly over extends.
It's kind of your best kill target here.
I think it's pretty far up for them right now though.
So, solo position.
Start of that boom.
Here it is.
Wait, so they got tossed into Miro here.
See if they can get the kill with the final nukes and they do manage to get it.
Miro unfortunately did not get the last hit.
They've just hit too hard.
hard so Miro is going to have to back away from Aume.
Well, the save might chase him down here, three more seconds till Toss, two more seconds
till the Avalanche, and he has Mango, but opted not to keep it going.
Please wait, pretty well, I've got to hurry, just to pay out it.
Not necessarily getting a lot of net worth here on the net, girl, it's kind of the downside.
If the buy is some extra regen, he's not getting a huge amount of last hit, but you're getting
a lot of experience you can go for the time.
Save is the true offlaner here, which is the strength of this Necropick. It's a hero that can combine well with Tiny on lane.
They help him out and just play on the lane straight up instead of a wave pushing in against.
I mean, I'll never hate on Tiny getting extra farm.
It's probably one of the more value-for positions to get some, but particularly in this game where it's, uh,
I mean, all the responsibility of
initiating is on him.
I agree. If there's one here, you want to have a good start here, it's safe.
And bring this lab together to do a lot of work in the teamfights.
It's also cool to see some more teamfame today after it won a game yesterday.
They look pretty strong scaling up in that as it went late, lower it off in that game too.
I think it's the hero we might see more just because I think it's been forgotten about a bit.
And it is a traditional Razor counter and there's a lot of Razor in this meta.
Your scale against Razor is superb.
Yeah, this year was fun. It's got cool cosmetics. That always helps
Yeah, you like
Cosmetics every
I've just seen a big fan of the Arkana
He personally know I despise queen and fake cosmetics. I think they are blasphemous. They're children playing this game
Have some modest
But they're very well
On top 3 CS is all extreme, not by a huge margin, but it's there.
There's a lot of damage on this one too.
That's a big bomb.
Kill the gold.
Got one of them.
Got them together.
That was close, that was really close.
One hit.
Miro not having fun up here.
Not really, there's a carrotage with the ephotic shield.
We'll stay alive, small little glimpse back on X6S.
of them. With the deny of the range creep, Cotomi tries to go for a body block. Heritage
does have enough time to get off another robotic shield and he will survive but you can see
the pressure of this lane is mounting up. Cotomi gets bashed in, does get killed and
the creep wave is pushing in too so they might opt to try and keep that pressure on the abad
and go for a little dive.
That's by X6S got all the bash procs on the heroes there. Pretty nice sequence for him
timing it up well strong lane down here a lot of physical damage to throwing these heroes that
don't have a huge amount of starting on them unless you're under that tower for the bonus so
pretty efficient trades for them lane's going well perhaps g just max scream a pain build on mid no
dagger gameplay even though the dagger can be kind of nice against the razor to kite him
nothing to say just once to push the lane and get mega farmed probably look for some kills around
on the map with Sonic Wave, especially if you can get the six minute power room.
Save comes in and takes away haste room.
That's big. Now it would have been a pretty nice room for NTS to secure.
It would have been a guaranteed kill somewhere on the map.
Interesting. TPK off to...
At least I have a storm for this medium camp.
Which is kind of weird because like where does he go?
There's not another camp nearby to use Eye of the Storm on, so it feels a little inefficient.
Maybe he just hates wolves.
Yeah, it could be.
Pretty well cool down here.
He's fine, he's chillin'.
Still have a half level to try and abuse this band before ulti's up.
You feel like you can rotate to him?
Oh, the rotation's gonna come to top.
Nothing to say, he's gonna blink in, sonic wave, blow up Miro.
There's a lot of damage.
Tossed up in the air, underneath tower, nothing to say he's gonna get low, but he had plenty
of magic wand charges, and that's gonna be the Wisdom Shrine.
Two of them for extreme.
I don't know if I was going to be mega high level in this one.
No, yeah.
You may not even have to use the Grimloir.
He's so close already.
Higher level than AWMIC.
This is the earlier trade that happened.
Are you tempted to drop it right now since you got the seed dragging on tower?
A little tempted for sure.
Or just drop it here on the fight, yeah.
Yeah, if they're going to head...
Yeah, he's going to go ahead and pop it, drops the golem on him,
and save likely to die here.
And it's between the fatal bombs and the damage.
GPK now comes in, and he can maybe run down Ex-Nova, but even then the golem's the threat here, and Aume comes back to protect his support.
He even has a rotation of FY. FY hits that bush lag, which he does. GPK might be in some trouble. GPK goes for it.
Nate takes the manfight, almost takes out two and a third as they got the kill, they got the Reaper's side, and that finishes up Aume.
GPK dies for it all, but so, so worth it. Miro's back in the game.
What a man up. That's the power of Deadpool's in Zero's fights.
So much damage kind of from Plasma Field's death pulse against all these clumped heroes.
Just evaporate them.
The golem going down to that last hit wasn't that bad for there.
You don't have the golem to come back in and deal the damage.
Also, Thunder Head facet, like I feel like you really can't get baited into hitting the Razer.
You know? He just blows up so much damage and...
Actually, Kudder's back up here too.
Oh yeah, 100-4x, no one can just TP out, like...
GBK backs off, then they go back in with the Bush Whack, right?
The fact is, Golden takes so many tower hits.
And it's up here.
Then they decide to commit, and...
Boy, was that a painful decision.
Get level 6, get a Reaper kill.
Very nice turnaround.
We'll find safe bottom.
Somehow, Necro is now the most armed hero in this game after that top trade.
I wanted another Sonic Wage used for that same kill.
Was our Kingroom though, so we'll pull him up.
Ah, okay.
There's another one up in 60 seconds here, so very efficient problem, I'm gonna say.
They did miss their window to kill the Abandon.
Yeah, it was always gonna happen, hey.
You can always chase him down this game.
Just a little bit with the constant shield debuffs.
Oops!
Double scan.
You gotta make sure no one's there.
So we're gonna see the Greaves build up for Miro.
Uh, do you think he goes...
Is this like an early Lotus game?
Because there's a Slaughter.
Is it weird to get Crimson Guard on Necro?
It's a little weird, he has a pretty low strike game.
He doesn't gain a lot of raw HP.
Yeah.
She knows more about resistances.
Is there a chance he just goes to normal Necro items after Greed?
Or do you think he's gonna stick with the aura plant?
I think you could go Greaves into some sort of Kaia song buildup?
Yeah.
Or you're just going like Leech, Pike, Locket could also be interesting.
It's not that bad on this hero.
If you have another fuel item, which you will have.
Blanch, on two, toss back.
All the way back into the tower, though. The Golden's getting it dropped here.
Carrotage is going to take a lot of damage from the fatal bombs.
Aumay is going to join in on this fight, but GBK is definitely the Raid Boss.
How does the extreme result?
They got a fight into the Razor like they did last time with their phonic shield.
That's all they've got, of course.
Beautiful Sonic Wave coming in from behind.
Isn't going to be enough, though.
Reaper's side comes in, finishes off nothing to say.
to say, extreme gaming is going to get wiped here.
Damn.
This is so strong.
Yeah, fighting into the razor again, with an abandoned behind him, I feel like that's
just an auto-loss, no matter how well you play the fight.
Also, you're taking this fight before the Clink's death, though.
It doesn't really do anything.
Like, I'm surprised Ami even shows up for this, and that they don't instantly back off
ones that could bring the entire squad because you're carrying non-existent,
where this guy Badness is doing a lot of work, he's taking a lot of damage, number one.
And two, he's removing the bonds for people and he's giving you a lot of EHP through these shields.
Yeah, like how many spells went onto tier to tier before the fighting started,
slaughter was a little deep out of position. Sonic Wave is beautiful, and you got four with him.
You can't ask for more, but the Razor is just cleaning the house on the back side.
Death pulses are going to go off here. You already have an Echo, the Echo, that's just not a fight.
Too much role is sustained in this Bethlehem life to force an engagement like that without a clean pick off at the start.
They're very well ahead now.
Yeah, the enemy team has an aura off-laner and you don't. Like, you're taking a 5v5 and they have a mech.
Like, there's so many reasons not to take that engagement.
You also just don't have that much early damage for the starter to really play with.
Yeah.
What is XXS doing in a play like this?
Maybe you get two crushes off and you amp some, dude?
I mean, that's...
It's not enough to win a 505 right now.
There's a static storm available with glimpse.
Ooh, GKK's gonna take over their triangle again.
Oh my god.
He is mega farmed now after that fight. Just gonna rush B2B here, becoming invincible.
Nice toss back. Caught at fly.
The guths continue.
G2K clears out the entire triangle before 13 minutes. Do not want to fall behind in this game.
Against the glimpses and the tiny who's gonna have a fast blink because he was mega farmed off the blink.
There's a lot of catch that's gonna come online for the boomer.
We're in a farm. They just start taking over your side of the map, glimpsing
heroes back. Do you sure you have a little rat action with the clings?
It's spooky. There's a show on these waves right now, though. His death is just so delayed.
It's fine they're gonna get it now, but his death of being delayed means his
shard is also gonna be delayed.
Well, I will say between that teamfight and the aura pickups in the early BKB, bright
red flashing signs for extreme gaming.
Don't take any teamfights in this lineup.
That means it's time to fight, right?
I guess so.
Alright, here we go.
There we go. Let's see what they can do with the...
Still low on Sonic Wave though.
I think you need the extra damage here.
Oh, it survived static storm. Look at that.
I guess not.
I mean, GBK almost had BKB.
There's no reason to dive into a tower for...
Taking a team fight until you have that item.
This is the point where I would have expected
if you could fight with the cleanst...
Deso.
Step there.
A little bit behind, then.
And as I said, I don't know if you have damage going into the early creeps in that
proposal.
It feels like you have to play this game a little slower.
Maybe let Bat Boom go into you where the lineups are weaker.
Disruptor is strong if you can get isolated chase downs, but in theory, if Bat Boom try
and dive a tower or something, and you respond accordingly with a large fatal bonds into some
and cling's damaged, some level 2 sonic wave going through that stuff I'd like to see actually.
Tazik got to tell me, on top of the squirrel,
if you don't even need Glimpse for this one, it does save Amaze's life, presumably.
Just gonna sneak on by, go through the gate.
Try to trade towers here probably.
Have to get to fed there safely. Yeah, I'd be really surprised if they did not try to defend this.
You have to be careful showing here too, and get a glimpse back under this tower.
This goal available.
Save already in position.
And here comes Kotomi, though they're going to jump immediately, he doesn't get the chance
to go for a glimpse play.
So, little bit greedy trying to go back through the gate, getting picked apart by Xtreme.
award in the corner of that clean gate. Very hard to de-ward that one.
Now, seeing is there more heroes they can pick off. Now, Cure takes us to the 5th century range.
I mean, they can get the ultimate to pop and then he's just gonna run away, but he does get dusted by Stade.
Now he's gonna be Adelaide, Sonic Way trying to push him off the cliff. That does glomp the Abaddon.
Stade is gonna die as well. They trickle in now. Bed boom. They're two strongest heroes.
the Razor and the Necrophos. They'll take one, maybe a second. Now, that's an easy TP away.
That's a smart disengager of XQ. You are not fighting those two tanky boys.
Okay, maybe just to find some pink kills outside of the Razor Necrophos showing up there,
which is what they want. You want to get some desktop charges for Ame?
Want to use the Sonic Wave as much as possible here on top of Fatal Bonds. It's been landing these combos.
just scale the queen of pain here it's gonna be an axe rush for NTS very strong
queen of pain game to me queen is the king of this game some might say I don't
think you ever be like in Queen of Pain here with this line of fire just don't
see it she was a monster with five or six thoughts
yeah even the photic shield doesn't really work that well against the axe
right? No. Like you take off the dagger but then the screen goes off as a result.
It's just too much damage on the legume. The hero becomes too tanky, too mobile, too much of everything.
Maybe Ag's static storm is locked down. It's no save for Ag's static storm here as we go later.
We have to go and step back in. This is not that effective. So fast with the leg day.
Man, that boom, they had the early advantage but now it feels like
Like, one static storm, attempted play on mid, now this attempted grab, that bottom lane tower defense.
They're just not finding the pick-offs with this, with this trio that I think they need to be right now.
Yeah, they need the Tiny Blink with that.
Right.
Tiny Blink will definitely help. It's just a product of playing with Necrobat.
You have two cores that are very immobile, not giving you any catch.
They're not initiators. They're not going to start any action. They're not going to give you any play opportunities.
They're just going to push waves, try and be invincible on the map, give you the information for the rest of the squad to make the play.
It's up to Tiny Disruptor Razor to find those openings.
Well, they have the Radiance on them, he abandoned, so his farm's going to keep up and also adds to their aura-esque lineup that they got going on.
going on. Not quite as good as the old radiance though. That, uh, miss chance was a wild idea.
It was incredibly broken. Yeah.
Alright, now they've got a stun to help the Razor walk the dog here.
You need a couple more of those, you'll feel better in this game.
I wonder how early you got through to get the Ors or Shauns, because they are building a lot of Ors here.
And you're gonna get ratted in this game, so the sooner you can start doing Roche, plus
the rest of the half you're gonna be.
So I have something incredibly good.
Ami really likes doing this, just forcing the ultimate, and then nothing to say.
Now that he's got this axe, now Ami's probably gonna die for this one, but Cure Intentions
taking a lot of damage from the Sonic Wave and another round of the dagger.
Let's see if Miro can out-heal the axe.
Another heal.
Mr. Golem.
You gotta catch the heal.
Okay, he's good, he's good.
That gold just froze me. I'm panicked.
Got him back in the static storm. No follow-up to this, though.
The team's pretty far away. They're gonna get here now with the MLN Shoss back.
Nothing to say, blinks away and kills the tiny.
There's a gold on Steals His Fate.
And you can see these mobile heroes.
That's super immobile, but they are reliant on their mobility.
Do not like being dagger quick little blow-up on Katomi's ex-access gets in there.
Not a round of daggers under the necropos, not quite enough to burst her down, though.
Gets off the reaper scythe and full heal.
This has got to become NTS.
Verse 5 here, very shortly, that's what it feels like.
This Florida is finding nothing in this game.
Ame is also being so aggressive.
It's forcing the issue.
You know, like, looking for kills with the clings does do a lot of damage, but we haven't seen a big issue for XG's team as they've not combined the cores well.
I don't think we've really seen a hero get amped and hit by clings yet once.
To me, most of the value for Slaughter on this draft is helping the clings do damage against these cores and playing the fight more on the outside.
Like, I don't think you want to just go in and fight these heroes head up and tank a bunch of spells on XXS. You're just getting reapered every time you're dead.
With DKB it becomes a little more doable, but I feel like they should have just been
playing to kite these fights out, especially in this early game, you know.
And considering the fact that itemization-wise, like he went for the Blink Shard, like you
should be coupling these heroes together.
He didn't try and go faster with DKB.
He's trying to force it again, and Abelanched on two.
There's the restart.
Toss back, get picked off, X Nova, to 4-band bombs, going to die.
They're really playing with the rest of it.
In moments where I'm not sure they have to, I don't think they do at all, it's kind of
giving fights to the fune that they enjoy.
Just running into Necro Razor a bit.
Okay, yeah, sure.
We'll take those.
I feel like you really need Hurricane Pike on Clanks.
To get these heroes off of them, I think you need BKB on the Slardar so he can go in
instantly die and you're not afraid of
sailing because you do have a quap.
Yeah, just keep pushing lanes, splitting
back above on the map. Their lineup's not
very mobile, they're not going to react
well. This top lane going right now,
someone has to go up there and farm it.
It's either going to be a badner or a
necro. Once they show, then you can look
for a pickoff on the map and play this
style of game. I feel like there's a
bang in their head against the brick wall.
Oh, damn, game's still even.
It's definitely felt pretty nice for Bedboom to play
with their aura build up.
You know, we'll get the Tormentor here.
Nice little objective to claim.
If you struggle to take Tormentor,
maybe Roshan is not in the cards for Bedboom.
They will have to pick up the Stingletarget physical.
I think this will have to itemize for,
As much people target DPS as he can alongside this razor to alleviate the weakness of the
slayer.
I like the idea of the faster bloodthorn than I think most builds on a ban.
Like you normally get like pan-tied stuff, right?
But gotta deal with this blob somehow.
Bloodthorn rushes a little sus here.
I think he maybe...
I mean, what if you just rush and support him?
I'm fine with Orc, but I don't think you can defeat it this early.
We'll find out why we're here.
That's the last hit.
Almost a bloody team on the screen for level 3, old.
He could be almost done.
However, the objective is to follow
before you hit your timing. It's not the fastest roach I've ever seen.
Yeah, I actually feel like...
Like, is this Aegis gonna do that?
Like, I think this is a lot of time for extreme.
Alright, you've got five heroes in this part of the map.
It takes so long to do this.
I actually feel like this one's kind of good for extreme.
You're doing this just to get the ball rolling.
You have to at some point. It's slow. There's always going to be slow. Your ball is already low.
Does it hit just like does it hit?
Low shot ball. You know you want to get this second and third row spotting.
If you don't let's imagine you don't do row sheer
Let's say you do first row shit 30 minutes. Okay, then your second one is at 40 42
Okay, what what is it about the later row shot like if for you is it about the refresher?
Sorry, is it about?
Well, if you're gonna go high ground early with an aura line, you can let these banners run up 35 minutes.
You can potentially relax a lot of people with first banner if you are just overwhelmingly tanky and that's your idea.
You don't see it as much anymore, but it used to be extremely common with this kind of line.
I guess my are gonna be aren't the creeps already gonna survive because the necrophos
I can't they already do this with their ball
I just feel better
Well the network didn't really shift that much during this window of time anyway
extreme didn't make some
Jake ganked at Gleeps. Now there's Farmin now. They learned their lesson.
Do a BKB on this floor of our co-op and Plinks is working towards the nullifier, so those are gonna be the big items.
Try and deal with Curitage here. Got the ult out of him. Not telling me he has backup.
And they're actually gonna come back through the gate and join us up here where we're looking at top.
No, they're gonna go back bottom.
I don't know where they want to go right now.
Again, their lives are pretty terrible at catching heroes.
The only reason the fights happened early is because FG ran into them.
FG choose not to do that.
Very difficult to find.
Killed accessible scan, coniflying.
Toss back and you jinky-jink.
I think he's the only one they found at some time.
The rest of you is smoking by the way.
Try to blow up the Necropost and they got him!
They drop everything they have!
Quick kill and out!
It's a 7x streak.
This is a thousand gold kill.
A lot of it going into the Clint's pocket.
To be fair, everything for them is just the two-olds.
You know, you're kind of dropping gold on most plays now anyway.
And Sonic Wave is an 80-second blowout, so...
That's how most of the fights are gonna look for XG, is you're just gonna blow up the first guy's view with overwhelming force,
and then kinda kite the fight out so you have the valves eventually committed.
And if you get a multi-hero bond, it's cool, but you have to assume that this bond is getting dispelled in this game.
That dummy does things to get off the static storm, all of us in immediate there, X-X-S
pops the BKB, but there's a Ghost Scepter on the disruptor.
A lot of damage to him from GPK, so stream should just back out here.
The Crimson Guard went on to cheeky-tay Mullifier for the Clank Snap.
Mullifier, the ultimate foe of the Necrophos.
Yeah, do you think this hero should one of his like, Ag's, like, Agnus Scepter should give him undispellable ghost round?
On Syro just feels way too countered by Mollifier.
Sounds pretty broken.
You tell me 4200 gold for just being undispellable.
Dubby is...
broken?
I would argue this is as key to his kid as it is for Moira.
It's a really strong spell in vacuum though.
hmm what about as a 25 talent I'd be five
gain to 25 on that girl's you know power
tree is fun you see a lot of shit in
your time well they really didn't get
too much done in fact they lost 2000
net worth off of this ages it's getting
right around the map. It was so hard to find heroes.
Right as the TP man. Aume was TPing in kind of plain sight too.
He was trying to get an FY. They TP'd onto the same spot.
Sad squirrel. TP'd last at the longest time. Oh, it bends alone! They just knocked
somebody heroes! So Kiritus is going to use his ult here
and we'll be able to blink back so it's not like he's going to die, but...
and he's now another 75 seconds where you don't feel comfortable taking fights.
even if you could force those fights.
Actually, just drawing this game out right now.
Working towards their late game scale with the Queen Competence.
I kind of agree with that.
I think the bonuses on Pepim to get a lot more done here,
particularly going into this next roge.
The next five minutes for them are crucial.
Need to get these last few items in terms of utility up.
Need to get that Aegis?
Yeah.
There, I say you might just need to push with it.
I don't think you want to get drawn into this kind of game.
It's such a static lineup.
Hard to see how you come out on top.
You're chasing after Xtreme all the time and occasionally Xtreme sets up traps.
If you're going to keep chasing after us, then that means you're going to walk up into high grounds.
GBK is tanky.
Yeah, they might get lured into thinking they can kill GBK.
They can blow him up for sure.
I really jumped a disruptor instead of, instead of for a static storm though, got two inside of it, they both have BKB.
Mids are gonna push back onto the necrophiles.
Decent amount of damage, but they do have to back away. Keep away from GPK. GPK has BKB in Satanic.
Bombing, trying to get on top of it, trying to do some damage.
Fortunately the Hurricane Pike will manage to disengage. Ex-Ex-S, now pops his own BKB.
Makes a sprint for it. Ex-Fillm is gonna be left behind, nothing to say, getting more and more daggers to FY.
Well, he already used his ultimate, so he can't shoot himself down the trees, but Betboom feel like they can't keep this going.
The dagger pressure is mounting up.
It's so hard to chase him there.
Just getting him famed out like that.
He can survive it though.
That part went well for him.
The Razor is mega tanky.
He can take as much damage as he did.
The Clint's was starting to shred him.
And that's like a certain way, dude.
He only has to eat all of them, sir. This is...
Were he's gonna survive?
No way.
Yeah, probably not.
So, we're starting to see glimpses of what this actually line is supposed to do, 7,000
damage craft from the Queen of Painter to kill a Disruptor.
Maybe he's doing a good job of pick-off.
He is.
The downside is it's just been the squirrel over and over and over.
Yeah.
Kind of like they've killed anybody else in forever.
In fact, yeah, the last core kill.
I should say the last non-squirrel kill was at 20 minutes.
Well this, this is not a squirrel.
Oh, the last shot!
Right as the little fire expires.
Well, first the hell out of all may there.
Yeah, good job.
He bleeds a massive kill in this game.
It's not just FY.
I mean, there's going to be a period of variation where like they have so much backup for the
Razor.
This second Roshan, you get an Aegis, go high ground, and you are supposed to go high ground.
That is just your belief, so.
If you don't, you're going to get stuck going late game here, and it's going to get real
murky.
Also, some of your items, like the Lotus Orb or Effective Now, won't be effective,
say, at level 25, Croats of Haze undispellable.
He's just watching illusions kill Kree on hand.
It's a wobbly word.
Cut in the midway.
Terran, Torva, Wave up.
Got him.
Alright, second roach.
You think you can extreme fight this?
They do have Slaughter, Slaughter in this river area with an Agatom scepter.
They can fight it, they just have to do it.
Slowly?
Yeah, really draw the fight out.
Ideally you'd also want the Kling's Daedalus, that's really set on it back.
You might have been very close to it by now.
If you get the Qopchivas, that's pretty big.
Some extra damage going in as well.
Yeah, you're right.
this alongside Ag's and Shiva's stuff like this would have been a huge timing for extreme.
I don't think it's your favorite if all five heroes just meet and punch each other in the face.
Yeah, yeah. If they kite the fight out, they get a lot of quap daggers off,
the clings is able to get multiple volleys, then they can win that fight. So it's all on
Vepu's lockdown, can they kite on some of these heroes, pop the bee gibbies, reset, get another go.
Oh, that high ground ward is still up.
I saw the ward, or should have saw the ward dropped in the middle of the river.
Smoke's on both sides, Tommy's gonna show.
Boom, baiting out a power rune.
Breaks, and a shield rune for nothing to say, that's a goodie.
Jump the Slardar here, toss him back, repress sight to him immediately!
No chance of a BKB, but what a Sonic Wave fatal boss!
That was super special the hood weight sharpshooter unfortunately hit the a bad and nothing necropos there
Otherwise it might have been two kills off of that one with caretich no longer having his ultimate glimpse back on
I don't know I think just say he's gonna blink after them
Don't force it here a little bit. I mean that was super nasty from both sides
Very well executed from that's all
It's the power of the tiny toss back here
You'll always have some damage to put into this Reaper, and there's no save for the Reaper Siphon this game.
Yeah.
Part of what makes this Necrophic function a lot better than otherwise would have.
Man, that damage is insane.
Imagine the sharpshooter goes out and hits Necrophos during that?
If they had Galeis there, maybe they wiped them.
Also, if they have a second Sonic wave, that's when this game becomes really difficult for Beth to play.
the bad boom to play.
The damage is going to be way too overwhelming and I'll be next year for an NTS, so...
Roche does go over to the other side, which is, uh, Bed Boom's favorite side, if they
have the Unpost here.
So, I mean, they're a little bit strong, I mean, they have A.C. on the bad and they
finish the refresher on the Razor.
So, those Razors still scale in super hard in this game, 6'1' and 13' for GPK, having
themselves a performance.
I love the blink tagger choice.
He really needs to get on top of these heroes, they're getting kited too much.
He is so strong if he could just get extreme gaming to fight him if he can jump onto the
middle of the whole squad.
Or the Clinks.
You can find Ami with a link.
Plus some of those later Talons plus double I storm, it'll just shred him.
Yeah.
It does have the Tatalus now, so it's Clinks damage got a big upgrade.
Same situation for the Rune.
Toss back and Reaper's alive!
Did it again!
Not enough for the kill though.
Today, Stave's gonna die for this and Nullifier gets dropped on him. They do have Curitix blinking on to him and he couldn't get away!
He tried four staff away, but the Nullifier stopped him. There's Sonicwave pushing him off of all of them where they can't but he got the gloves back in.
Well, he actually got a little bit of heal. He gets a little bit more of the backpack. One more round of skeletons from him tossed up in the air.
Nothing to say. Almost dead. Sound's up. He falls, and this is a GPK Razor going to town.
What a fight from Bethune in this river.
Looks real bad to start.
When you throw Reaper and the clock just blinks away, but the same buyback doesn't work here on that outpost, favorable O'Shawn.
And this Razor is just too beefy with the mechanic build of plus refresher.
Also, I think inherently, Aume's positioning is just not where you want to be, right?
Didn't feel very awkward.
I'm surprised they don't.
First, this tiny-down bastard is surprisingly tanky.
He appeared to straight onto the place he did not get over the cliffside.
You know, that hurts him a lot.
Yeah, how come he didn't?
I thought I was trying to figure out...
Didn't get nullified, right? There's no nullified.
Yeah, I was looking through. I thought it had to be nullified.
They must have picked one up and there's no nullified.
Oh, maybe the glimpses.
But he got glimpses when he was running away.
I don't know, maybe we can get a like, s'momo on that.
I don't know what happened to this hurricane fight.
That's supposed to be his big reset fucking error.
Yeah.
It didn't reset anything.
You know, it looked like he was noob actually.
You know, it is not one on the bad boom side.
Odd. Odd odd odd.
I mean, I think either way, I think even going into the Roshan finish is gonna save me all that.
Oh, we got no fucking load! It's nullified!
I swear, I'm like, it looks like it was nullified!
Well, that's just...
That's just cursed right there.
That's funny.
Absolutely home.
Well, well played, Miro.
If you can force that into the pit there, that clay looks way better, Frank.
So that's a massive load of sort of perflection.
They do get that Roshan. I think that means Roshan...
I think that Roshan was kind of always Beth Booms to take, and in most scenarios...
They are really strong now though, especially behind this Razor.
Razor is just chopping people up. XG need to find a way to answer GPK.
He's just gonna run the fight over with double eyes, or almost level 25, as well with Arcane Rune.
They can just throw all this utility and support into him, especially if he gets on top of the clink.
I don't think a single Hurricane Pike is gonna fail you out.
Yeah, I'm beginning to think like
extreme gaming
FY has the use they got to do something to stop this this save initiation man
Like he's getting way too many good tosses
It's just the ules right coming result that else you can't really do anything else in time you can't blink in and crush him
I guess you could be kb blink crush him. You're super fast
before cheese case blanket I
I had to start on the use, but not a big deal. He's got Arcane Runet running.
They're scaling their supports up here, BKB on saving, so you can just go and ignore that
heal's counterplay, and they're almost to Hax on Kotai on his halfway there.
B.A. Monk driving in this game. Getting close to some little 25s as well.
High ground warrants, spot takes Milba.
Put him back into the static storm.
Want the Reaper's Sniper's charge for it?
I gotta save this with 28.
Still the Aegis period, two minutes.
Actually just trying to dodge.
Map is getting redded a little bit.
Probably just hit high ground, right?
If you're Bedboom?
Yes, you must do that high ground with this Aegis period.
It's too bad you're not a little 25 yet on the Razor, more the Abaddon, you're still close, but the time is right, you don't want to go back and deal with these side lanes.
It's refresher for the Queen.
A lot of damage coming out, doesn't have a 25 talent yet though.
He's gonna be- well, he got up the BKB, so no plus swag there.
The daggers are mountain up, refreshed in another sonic way, trying to finish off same,
trying to deal with this damn tiny, but too many heals behind him.
It's not that effective.
To refresh there, just to push them off so you can kill Baron.
I guess it's base defended.
I think it's defended the second the Abadnal pops.
Heavy committal, nothing to say.
I mean, there is a big enough way bottom to kind of have to deal with this.
Probably means they just take out.
Yeah, I guess maybe you're just okay defending base there.
It's not very convincing.
Definitely needed the 25 talent for this queen.
This might be a fine rape here getting from Flinks.
I just haven't seen the damage come out, actually here. Starting to fall behind in terms of being able to deal with the overwhelming HP on these heroes.
4,000 HP on this Razor. It's a lot, but as you said, like the 25-tounds are also a lot for... sure.
His 25 is also a huge though if you connect onto the Kling's skill and his damage and attack speed.
Yeah, he just felt that he's 4,000 HP plus an idol for invasion.
Plus the empiric on it.
He's laced it.
Yeah, that's true, you're actually like, what the hell is this?
You kind of need MKB just because burning barrage won't be enough.
The only weakness of Razor analysis is kind of low armor if you get the amp.
It's not dispelled, but there's a lot of dispelled.
Between Lotus, the Abaddon Shield design, nothing to say, we'll deny it.
Oh, there's an amp damage in the bottom river.
Ooh, yeah.
Alright, there's the Sonic Wave damage.
Next up is the Clint being 25, Razor and Abaddon already got theirs.
They got the Attack Speed bonus, or the Attack Speed steal.
Attack Speed for both of them.
Well, to me this is in late game with this Queen of Pain.
So we'll see what this NTS top net worth Queen of Pain can really do here.
I had high hopes.
I still have high hopes.
This is over 2,000 pure damage coming out from the double sonic wave with the amp and
the talent.
It's pretty ridiculous.
That is enough to basically one shot, cut that only.
We get tipped by two sonic waves.
The heroes that are connected and fatal bonds.
It's absolutely enough to one-shot mirrors. That is a consideration here.
He's the double sonic wave this... Necro and he's stunned?
He's straight dead.
There's a lot that can go in between that happening of course.
But it could still be pretty cool.
He's double pumped.
Oh my god the same damage is still here 30 seconds left until it goes away, but it's gonna be spotted by nothing to say
That's not bought for a dozen balls, okay?
That is really nice he's the two thousand pure damage you get an extra 25 percent
So that is you what?
That's almost 25
Also don't forget Cheetahs. Another 15% ammo.
True.
Though, the thing is, yeah, that's true.
Ah, Wind Waker is a good idea. Smart call from save.
Whether it's himself, because he is usually being the target as he blinks in, goes to
the tossback, getting the Wind Waker to get back out of there is really nice, but as we're
talking about, Sonic Wave commitment could be pretty clutch if he saves Miro.
Take it when we're going through inch here as much as I flies died this game with nine desks
He's still fighting a little bit of farm here
I don't mind that so save against the reaper
He's got it
So what else do they need level 25 please
This is your last little upgrade here, you can choose 6-flot on me, you can sell treads
for something but what else do you buy other than Divine Rapier here.
His Bedroom's lineup just better for laning, it feels like that's what they think.
It is definitely easier to execute laning, it has a lot of sustain, it has a huge amount
of HP, you have a fresh eraser, I feel like you can always win laning with a fresh eraser.
I expected them to get kited a bit more.
They just found a lot of network owners, of course. They have an ice-dotted storm.
Plus, this Tiny is just so beefy going in.
Yeah, this Tiny toss back at a Reaper site is pretty broken.
Also, how do you start fights as extreme?
Yeah, he punishes.
It's a little difficult right now.
Aw, man, you're really making me nervous here, man.
Probably see the docket jump.
Yeah, what?
Kinda crazy.
A lot of heritage and there's nothing here.
Just trying to see if they can get a reaction out of the rest of Bed Boom.
A power roof.
Invis...
Whatever.
And the damage ended up being wasted.
It has to be Clinkston QWOP delivering the DPS here into the Razor.
That's the big connection for me in this fight.
GPK can dodge a little bit of that damage. He has enough sustain to get through the rest.
It will take everything from Extreme Gaming to bring him down.
There's a lot of utility they could throw in there.
And if they don't burst him, he's just gonna shrug the fight.
He's just gonna destroy everything.
He'll heal back up to full with the Satanic.
The fight is over.
Double I have Storm is.
It's way too strong.
It's nutty.
That one was just so cautious.
I wish I was spawned in 40 seconds here.
For something.
I still think Divine on Clink's is the play.
It could go for a Winkins, I guess.
Seven thousand gold. It's a lot of gold. How's the time to like you've got this?
Big Roshan fight. This is where the game's gonna be to term it. Surely you want to buy out
unless he thinks
He needs buyback. I don't know if you like you lose this fight use buyback to hold base like
Are you actually in a winning position anymore?
Here comes Bedboop.
Smoked up, kinda weird the gem revealing the ward.
Extreme gaming's paying attention from another high ground ward.
Extreme gaming definitely know about this smoke.
And Heritage is just gonna force the Roshan, like that.
She just abandoned me.
I feel like if the war dies, I can't take the fight.
Come back!
How they didn't buy anything out though?
He's still holding almost 8,000 gold.
Yeah, what's the decision making here?
Wait, nothing stayed.
Jumps in with the Shiva's, gets a vision inside the pit.
Roshan's healthy.
2 of a bunch of long range spells to get inside the pitch, he became blinked in with the plasma
field, gets a little idea of what's happening here, got the toss back, null fire and the
static storm off the top!
That is perfect!
Save!
With another beautiful initiation, they hit him with the wind waker, but got him on the
abyssal blade.
What?
Roshan!
You can't do that!
That's interference!
No way!
They're gonna heal him up there, what's a load of tattoo?
Oh my god, the QWOP survives because of that.
Now they're gonna jump back in and there's the Razor De-Squad!
POOF! He just disappears!
The Clink's damage alongside the Slaughter,
a mightnest armor strategy is too good!
No more bad-multi right now, time to strike.
If you're extreme, NCS knows it.
Charity H is gonna drop low, Blinky after me, well inside the pit,
TPK, they're gonna check in the entrance to the Ex-Ex-Ex-Ex-S,
TPK is getting the drain off the Clink's,
thinking it's the right first site, and they got the Clink's.
The Clink's goes down without the extra life,
His Ex-Nex-S was the one to pick it up and he's not going to make it out with it either.
And the clock couldn't finish off Kyrintz, who were Kyrintz with a buyback rather,
is going to go after the clock.
Ex-Nex-S, he doesn't have his sprints up, he has a nav, but he's trapped inside a kinetic field.
The barrier holds them in. An extreme gaming Durgan has to use buybacks as well to hold the base.
What a wild team fight.
There's so many things there. Ultimately buybacks force for a bet room.
Expensive ones they did not want to have to commit and it's a fight for the ages in the pit
Which means it doesn't go to Amé there who they were hoping for yes
They just and can come back after that refer it's a massive deal. Yeah 100%
That shouldn't even been close
It should have just been they killed the clock and I think extreme game just give them Roche as a result
Should have clock ever gone out of there in the first place though. That's another question
He got tossed into an ecstatic storm somehow walked off with the Roche bashing characters on the last right click
That was absurd
Where was the Reaper?
I need Reaper right away
So he just did it for the stun
Toss back under the warlock save DKD double buy for FD here the FXXS can hold about jump in from heritage going out to the warlock
That might be game. You can run it down right now. No buy available on either of these core heroes. He just didn't pop ult on the TP out.
tried to tip you with a baton got broken no silence just didn't get it off a
fatal push perhaps for Bethlehem here
indecision you're either all in fighting this because you want to bias or
you're instantly bailing they didn't die though and it's that indecision that
might end up costing him this game just like he could just pop this ultimate
Alright, it doesn't stop TP.
Cause there's ult TP there.
10 dead boots to defend this.
It looks impossible.
Now hitting tier 4s.
3 man defense for Bed Boom.
Level 25 is up on the Necrofos.
But the damage, it's so slow.
Extreme gaming damage is so fast.
No fire onto the Necro.
He gets away through shard.
Repersciple onto x6 death.
a fountain dustman should kill him as a result and doesn't die nice pick but no
the ancient is still exposed and he can't stop on a army pops BKB hits the
throne and extreme gaming to gain one well I guess the theory about Queen of
pain when you like game is true I don't know I mean there's no pose for with
that game that's good for me just like a decisive push there for them and I go
back to that push are you all in without buybacks trying to win that fight to win
the game and it's like she's buys perfectly even fight there I think
there's a world where you do you can't win that place that's better than pushing
higher you just have to decide what you're doing are you forcing buybacks
bailing on some hero playing the kind of like defense buyback exchange are you
all in in they committed for neither and she's getting mega punished on that push
and that's GG. So much of that game goes back to that quab toss in the static zone too.
I don't know how NTS gets out of there. That is just so absurd that he survives.
There has to have been something else they could throw it in that.
It's sort of like, I refuse to believe that was perfectly asking.
I agree.
Yeah, it's probably 90% and most times that's good enough, but they needed the extra 10%,
something that extra 10%
So man, that's just one of those things you just take your head
What are you supposed to do? That's cool. What the okay? It's 13, 13, 15. Yeah, he did he did good
But wasn't enough stream gaming take game one
And they do it in
Basically a very zero to a hundred fashion this game was back and forth throughout much of it watching
As Ted noted, it was a team that loved having long fights versus a team that wanted to make really quick work out of the fights.
You've got a Necro, Baton and a Razor. They want long fights.
And on the other side, you've got Quok, who, as once she gets Ag's, doesn't mind the longer fights,
because it just builds up more and more of these dagger proxies.
You get all these screens of pain all over the place, which is great, but Slotter wants to blow someone up.
Kline's will blow someone up. I thought this was a really close game.
I'm just sad to see my boy Nekor lose, but I don't know if it was an execution or a draw.
I wouldn't say that one team or the other was like, oh, they won this.
He got robbed by this Roche patch. That was actually absurd.
My boy Nekor would have won this game, but this Roche decided,
lighted by the gods.
Gavin said, Nekor will shall lose this day if he did.
What can he do? Roche is a hater.
I'll break it for him, but this was the push that finally decided to fight in the end because
That boom team had a
Advancement of the racks taken down
But perhaps lingered a little bit too long there see what happened in that last night or what didn't happen in that last
I broke the avalon old while he was tea. So it didn't pop while he was keeping and he died with a bi-back
So the break did come into play. I actually did have impact. So we should have mentioned it on the panel
I love Mention. I feel like Breaking Avaron is like 95% of the time like a skill issue if you die to it
So it's like not even worth mentioning unless there's a silence on top of it. For Silver Edge, I agree with you.
Yes, you have to exactly. I agree with Silver Edge because you should see that one coming
But like how much time do you really have to react for Sharp Shooter hitting you and then Bursting?
What do you mean? The same as any other break?
You'd see the guy walking up to you with Silver Edge or you- and you don't see like the giant green arrow shooting across your screen?
It's burst damage too though, it hits you, and then maybe you're below the threshold.
We've had some horrifying news in the break.
What?
We now need to reassemble these puzzles for them to count as complete.
That is truly horrifying.
So, given that I just kind of went...
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
...and vibe this one open, with...
...with just literally just like...
...if I bet if...
...I bet it's what they seem to be just go...
...Heheh, and it opens without work, like now cannot reassemble it, so essentially...
...we're doomed to lose on the morning stream again, but that's fine!
Because we're on zero points, and I'm sure that the evening crew would be given,
oh, um, do this simple puzzle. We have to fold a piece of paper twice.
I'm like, oh, I make a paper airplane.
And they're like, oh, we get it, oh, oh.
And dicks.
First, like, yeah, I actually cut out paper airplanes in high school for four years.
Yeah, Brian will have some bullshit about, well, think about paper airplanes.
He's just fucking, does it.
The progress I've made on this one is that I can,
I think Ted Yurt did this, but we can get a pass to one of the nuts, as you mentioned.
It's a wit thing, and it's just fiddly. It's not a fun puzzle, it's just fiddly. This is just fiddly.
What is fun, Fiddly? You can't really...
You mean like connections? You know what I mean?
Yeah, I'm telling you, we need to do a crossword competition.
Oh, we destroy.
I think they will get annihilated.
We destroy.
They will get annihilated.
I do the New York Times crossword every day.
We sound like a bunch of losers, you know that right?
We are!
If the challenge was a more specific thing, we would destroy them.
No, there's plenty of specific things.
I feel like we should just have something more related to the event we're working.
Like something donor related.
Yeah.
We don't want that.
We don't want that.
Yeah, why don't we do a 1v1?
We're gonna do a 1v1 yesterday.
Why don't we compare how many ATI wins each side has?
Something fair, you know?
Major wins.
Major wins.
Major wins.
Tournament finals appearances.
I'll get hard carried we'll get hard carried tournament winnings. These are all options exactly
But perhaps we should stick to the expertise of the Dota that we're watching a then I
Show me something about this game. All right, so everybody loves necrofos
I know everybody at home those necrofos. Yeah, and I just wanted to show you as the impact of necrofos in the team fights
So
This is gonna be early on in the lane
We're gonna have them go on the necro and then razors gonna TP in and this moment was just way too satisfying this kid
But it looks good for XG, they're gonna get some kills and then GFK shows up, starts pressing his buttons, he feels really confident cause he has a Necro behind him so he's gonna start manning up soon.
He's like, I'm gonna kill everyone.
And he runs in, gets some spells thrown out, he gets healed by the Necro, enemy team doesn't see it coming.
Bam, double kill, EMBs are dying, Necro gets the third. Great, you know? Great.
And then here in the bottom lane again, we're gonna see another high impact heal from Necro.
He's just constantly healing and using scythe and being just a nice high-impact hero in these fights.
So if you think about it, Necro isn't a traditional teamfight hero, but healing as a concept in Dota is just very good in teamfights overall.
We're seeing it from Largo.
Especially if it's Ailee, because you're now multiplying the impact.
Like here almost everybody died and then Necro just goes, all my buttons, and look at them, they're all back to full HP.
Yes.
A fatalbond's sonicwave hit 4 and they're full HP two seconds later.
There's a tiny missing but we don't need to talk about that.
That's beside the point.
The point is Necro heals a lot and it has a high impact on team fights.
And it's rare to see this hero so it's cool that, you know, we get to look at some of his moments.
This might maybe less cool but once again just Necro healing clanks.
It seems to be pretty effective with the site because things have a lot of HP.
So, I think all these videos are a lot of damage, exactly.
Quinn, you're a big advocate for Necro.
How much do you like it to point a finger at him and just game and be all like,
if they picked a different off-laner, would have been different?
I mean, I think their draft is a bit weird and like, messy before that.
Like, I think when it comes to this last one, I think Necro did good work, to be honest.
I think the game was in like, a decent position.
I don't think it was one of those games where you felt like Necro was some crazy burden.
Like, I think he was doing his thing, he was having an impact, the game was relatively close.
That's better than most Necker games where it sort of feels inevitable you're going to lose.
If anything, I think it felt like Beppu was going to win for the majority of this game.
But Valve, to be fair, if you're listening, this is not a PSA saying Necker was broken.
Necker was very bad.
This is one of the main games, and he's still lost.
Please buff the hero. Thank you. Just wanted to make that clear.
Agreed.
If you did have a buff in mind, if you could get one change log implemented, one bullet point.
Reverse the aggs to what it did before.
The breaking buyback? No, it did more damage.
Oh, yeah, okay.
The damage is too bad now, I can't fight anymore.
What if his shard became global?
Death Seeker crossed the map.
That means very amount.
That's not moving speed.
You're saying you want Spear Breaker, so that's it.
I want it to move, I like it.
Hurdle Breaker.
Just little skulls following you all over the map.
He's still up for a second,
so there's an army of skulls just coming at you.
You can't press it while you're in Death Seeker.
Yeah, that'd be sick.
You're like, move through all the camps and you're just like...
And we were supposed to have the smart panel turn.
That was not a good idea!
That's a great idea!
This is a net-proof player, that's a good idea.
I feel like that's a good idea.
That's why I liquid-paid in the big bucks.
Exactly.
Alright, Adam, then use your big brain to solve this puzzle,
because we're still struggling on it right now.
It was heaving metal bolts and nuts around it.
The thing is, I feel like in my head, it's solved.
But in practice, I'm not...
Wait, we know the theory.
The problem is, it is actually just quite fiddly.
It seems like it has to be quite precise.
Putting this back together is also quite fiddly.
Frustrating we have the original box to them
So yeah, it's meant all men to go back together. I mean it shows you a pitch of a disassembled
But it says you need to put about there just says here take it apart. It's like okay
Yeah, it's really
Did you actually just like shake it together? No, it's just sort of I gave it a sort of a
Jiggle and by being gentle it like eventually I think all of these the gaps all lined up to the point where it just literally went
fell apart. So it's about sort of lining up all of these lines so that they all line up
at a crumbling point all at the same moment, which means putting a butt together is going
to be quite fiddly. But this is a 3 out of 5. This is the one you give to a kid.
In terms of difficulty, Reddy?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that draft that Bebom team had was a 5 out of 5 difficulty because they thought
up at the heels would be able to outdo the damage from extreme didn't work out.
Let's see if they turn things around and have a new plan as we get ready for
game number two.
Oh!
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You know I'm your heart's desire
Come too close and you'll get burned
Guess that's just a lesson learned
Hey!
Alright!
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I'm gonna make you mine
You know what you got?
Won't you let me know the next time?
Just stop me off
And fuck the match
Just stop me off
It's not my time
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Yeah, if you feel the rush, just stop me up.
Kiss my top.
Follow me.
Kill your body girl.
Kill your body girl.
Kill your body girl.
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Am I connected?
Alright, let's go!
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This is what they gonna mind if you jump high
Everybody dancing together, riding to this ride
One, two, one, two, three
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This is what they're gonna want to do to our fight
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Everybody's gonna get this
Every single way
Let's get connected
It's been six long days
Since I saw you, baby
I've been out of the house
Niggas sent me
To the back of my arms again
Until I stay here in my day to excuse the night
I'll be a bit lazy once the night I'm there
Can't wait to breathe
As you go to know I go to the movies
Friday night and I forget the movies
Saturday night that leaves you still with you
Saturday night
And you're right
Steady tonight
And you're right
That's like the wind
There's a wind
WHAAAA!
WHAAAA!
Welcome back everyone to game number two of Bed Boom Tina vs Extreme Gaming where maybe
there are some things that you could pinpoint about that game number one.
Like Aiden, let's say you're coaching, you're bulk, you're brought back into the mix, maybe
you're not bulk, you're just the coach for Bed Boom Team and your own flavor, how would
you give them advice on how to repair their draft?
Well, first of all, I would...
Oh, your own flavor, I see, okay.
I would, I would take them all outside, and I would tell them, like, what are you guys doing?
I'm losing ten thousand dollars a day, and like, I would ask them why they're not communicating louder.
Like, for example, Mero, you are playing Necro, and they're ganking you on the lane,
and you're not saying loudly enough you need help.
Like, imagine your dad was getting hit by a car, you would say,
Get the fuck out of here!
Yes, and me, I'm always like, not doing it.
No, he's not. That's a good interpretation of what you could say as a coach.
Quinn, we see a Razor getting picked up. Mars, Slaughter, Badrider, Band out.
Trim Protector, Largo, Shout-O-Fiend taking out the pool.
Yeah, I respect the fact that they've run back this Razor.
I think we saw GDK had a pretty good performance last game.
I mean, I like the hero as a whip. That's very sort of...
sort of reminds me of my youth, going back to the farm, we had sort of cattle and cattle.
So I think Razor fits into that arc top very well.
And I think GBK is great on the hero.
It's been a classic for them throughout this tournament, so I like they've gone back to
it and shined away from it.
They're not sort of afraid of it.
Will they go for the horse, man?
Quinn, what are they doing with the horse?
Sent our war on there for Extreme Game.
I mean, that's really bringing it back to my youth.
I feel like I've been dealing with sort of cattle since way back yonder.
And so seeing him, it's put really back my comfort zone.
I feel super at home watching this game.
It's like a warm bowl of grit.
It's been great.
I'm super excited to see this horseman
against sort of the razor.
With the horse, it's very, it really fits.
Just like mom used to make them.
Ted, please be open.
We don't know what you lads are talking about.
It's honestly, it's blowing my mind.
You've got a lot with a bloody razor.
You've got a central running around
with a bloody wagon off and hanging off his arse.
It makes no bloody sense to me.
Just unsurprised storm spirit hasn't been making much
of a comeback in these games.
But what are you going to do, eh?
No, I think we may see that coming down the line
because it has been another GPK hero,
one that has been a strong suit for them.
He's quite good against Razor, not in the lane, right?
But eventually he just turns around a ball of lightning
and fucks off.
He does.
I've seen it.
That bugger he is, though.
And how are you going to last through a ball of light?
Like, I don't even know how.
Can't believe you did it.
It's a wave, and it's a particle or something.
You can't do it.
They don't even understand how it works.
It's impossible to last through that.
Some kind of double split experiment needs to be run.
Can't be done.
I'm sorry, I don't understand the word of what you're saying.
Your accents are... they are very confusing to me.
You don't think that you're able to decipher this?
It's hard, my English is not my first language, and you guys are speaking very difficult...
Darla?
Yes, the difficult accent.
You can stick to your native language, tell me about this craft in your native language.
Oh yes, dialect. Very difficult dialect to understand.
You can use the language?
Not the accent, yes.
Err... Warlock?
Well, he's not from anyway.
Seems like he's from London.
Yeah, I don't know, is this guy talking? I thought he was kind of just making noise, he's speaking.
He's from London.
Yes, yes, yes, that sounds good.
Warlock is one of my favourite heroes for current meta.
We had chance to talk to Sneaking.
And he say also Warlock, strong, leaning, good in, you know, a tida deal in the match in the early game.
Very, very good for that part of the game.
But I've been told that he's just a dude though, you know, or he's a doodoo sometimes.
Sanding with Jekiro, these are just dude supports that they're picking.
Like on a dude ranch, Quinn, you just pick him up and stick him wherever.
I mean, that looks like a sort of a two-headed dragon or thing that sounds very powerful.
Now I don't know how the dragon necessarily interacts with the bird, but I imagine if
I was on the farm and I saw a dragon and a bird with sort of swords, I would be pretty
intimidated, so I can imagine if you're a horse especially, they're kind of skittish
sometimes.
If you're going into a lane versus a dragon and a bird with swords, I think that might
not end with too much for the horse man there, so I feel for him really, they need to be
treated well, they need to have their hooves sort of polished, and they're going to be
fed well, they're going to be treated horse well.
I can't believe we're actually getting this many animals in the truck and it's actually lining up.
I'm sorry, I didn't understand. You said the horse have a sword.
No, the bird's got a sword, sir.
The bird.
Bird, yes, bird has the sword, yes.
Two of them.
Two swords. I think it's called a knife when it's a small sword.
Well, I thought it was called some sort of show-dose-a.
Show-dose-a?
Show-dose-a!
What you buggers are talking about in all honesty.
Do you understand what I'm talking about?
I'm sorry, you have to assimilate with all the cultures.
We don't have horses on my farm, we got cows, got a couple of sheep looking about, and that old daft bugger, that dog of mine, he's a daft bugger.
Do you guys understand what I'm talking about?
I'm picking up what he's putting down, he's got a dog, he's got a...
Rocks are being banned out as Tiny gets taken out in the second phase, not able to lean on that
and the support duo has been picked up for extreme gaming as they're going to follow up their warlock
with a Shadow Shaman. You sound like you would know Shadow Shaman in real life.
Now what do you mean by that? What are you implying? Maybe where you grew up there is Shadow Shaman.
I mean there's maybe some voodoo, some hexes going down, but I suppose he's got a hex so that
I guess that does track that maybe he's from from from around the bayou in parts potentially turns them into chickens also
I mean, I think I look at xg's draft. They got some good synergy that here is they're making a lot of sense together
They got some stuns. They got some damage. There's a lot of random animals and paraphernalia as a flying snake
There's some ground snakes as a horse. It's sort of it feels almost biblical and sort of the types of animals that are around
So I like that that that rubs me the right way
Well, he's in Birmingham. Now, did you know that?
Birmingham, there's going to be a tournament there.
I never thought about it.
We've never got no bloody animals in Birmingham.
We ate them all.
We paved all the fields, turned them into loads.
Get your tickets now, ESL-1.
You're not going to get a word about it.
Don't you know what you're going to do?
You're going to get a word about it.
What are you going to do?
That much.
Dot com.
What?
Get your tickets.
You can hear all of this live,
which is a great sales fit.
I'm sure you're hoping.
Don't come to Birmingham, but he's standing in the eye, like a fool of us.
How do you?
We have a tip for everything as well, whether you lock it or not.
You're just blasted.
Sorry, I don't understand the word you're saying, but...
Viper and Racer, it's an interesting matchup.
It's a more... a more the fucker...
I mean, a more the friendly, the classic, you know, he plays both heroes.
And he used to like to play Viper against Racer,
against Razor, because you can make slow him and in the lane a very strong match up, but
sometimes if the game is not going so well, you can get into trouble because Razor can
link you and he has minus armor, and minus armor is very important in Dota, it's one
of the main strategies that's been used for multiple years, you combine one hero with
minus armor with another hero with minus armor, it's very effective.
Now is that like addition or something?
That wasn't super. I wasn't particularly good at school. Is that adding up or what is that? So subtracting? How does that work?
It's an omic. Can you translate this?
Yeah, so it depends. Sometimes there are multiplicative sources. Sometimes there are...
What's the multiplicity?
Multiplicative is, you know, the x. Sometimes there's the x in mathematical operations.
Like an x-ray?
Like an x-ray. It goes right through the body. And you can increase numbers at an exponential rate sometimes.
Alright, I see. Now, this Viper Hero, he seems to sort of attack by spit. Now, is that his ultimate?
I've heard that word used, ultimate ability, is that called Hawk Tua? Because he spit on that thing?
How does this hero work? I'm not totally familiar with his habits in and out of the game, you know? I don't judge.
No, of course not. You shouldn't. Yeah, it's a pretty accurate representation. He does do a spit.
It is going to be quite effective specifically against the Razor because the puck, not so much,
It's going to be most likely the mid lane matchup between GPK, Puck, and NTS's Viper, as most likely X-LXS will be playing the Centaur and the Offlane.
And now we just need to get an Ame Hero for Extreme Gaming, and for a Beppum team, I guess we're going to figure out where the other support will be.
What the save hero is going to be? It's going to be a bounty hunter.
That's kind of coming out of left field.
I didn't really see that one coming, but interesting enough, before the series I was looking at the offlaners,
and both guys, they want to play a big teamfight, but they don't want to pick it at all this series.
We have Racer on one side, and Miero is just like, I don't care about analysis,
I don't care about playing the correct heroes, I'm just going to play whatever I want to be,
and it's leaning, winning heroes for him.
I like the sentiment Quinn, what are you thinking about these drafts?
I mean, to me, they sort of resonate with me on sort of the lines of the American dream.
They're sort of standing up for themselves to do what they want.
It's not about the team, it's about me, it's about the individualism.
And so they take the stand now, so here it's going to get a lot of farm.
He's doing his thing, he's going to chop down the wheat, chop down the chaff.
It's all me, it's all my to collect it, sort of that, you know, capitalistic state.
I think our cashers might agree with that to some extent.
So I really am big on the both these drafts do they agree with that Avery?
What's your opinion as we have extreme gaming versus Bebum team?
I'm an army fan Neil. Oh, that's not what I was hoping for
Yes
I would I don't really know how to say this in English, so I will just take it in Swedish if that's okay
Thank you. Yeah, I told her some such that the
Foggan come a little stuck in there give it another very broadly much up so they come to the bright room
I think they will have a big overtake in the first match.
I agree.
I think they will have a big overtake in the first match.
Stack the lanes.
Stack the...
Stack the lanes.
And I speak American.
And I speak American.
And it's important to control the union.
Control the unions?
The union.
You need to make sure you have good yam.
We don't do unions.
Good yam.
Find them in union.
We don't do that.
I think you should have played jungle.
You would have trained them.
Jump them in the jungle, get the kills, secure the early game, jump the west door.
Not to worry everybody, this will be a relatively excellent neutral broadcast, forgive me,
It's like Americanism, maybe.
We'll both have, but otherwise...
Hopefully we are.
It's a sight for a bull.
What are you going to meet for?
The most normal individual of this entire event.
Well, that's definitely not true, but...
Welcome back, everybody. Betboom versus Extreme Gaming Game 2.
We have a bounty room split, nothing major.
What do you think of our drafts?
It was not really what I expected after what was like a heavy heavy team fight clash between the two
Now we've got some very lane oriented heroes centaur viper razor
Jekiro did the SG drop looks pretty good. So
Warlock shaman behind these guys you got some team fight there frontline with the viper initiation with the centaur
Some saves in the lake him at the cart physical damage with this then kind of got a little bit of it all
Yeah, the implication being that booms lineup is not balanced. No, I think it also has a decent amount going for it
You have catch and lockdown and you have some
Scouting advantage with the bounty hunter get on top of these weak supports
If use them set some of the fight up for the chasm pluck to come in and just clean house
With some of the mobility that maybe actually won't be able to lock down because bounty hunters just all over
So I think this bounty hunter is an important role to play in this game
So he's gonna have to find some early laning impact to get online so you can get the ball rolling and then start getting track kills in the mid game and scout out this backline in the fights.
If you do all that, this pick can pay off big time and you can find yourself winning this game too.
Okay, sounds kinda easy.
Don't easy when you're good.
Well, that last game was rather hard for both teams, so...
Oh, that might just be a kill with level 2 on Centaur, though we did have the fairy fire.
Still too many disables here.
A double-double edge to serve it up first blood for X-X-S.
That's a five block, and a nice recognition of the early level 2 there.
Taking advantage of the level of damage.
Got a link on the warlock, don't see that every day.
tough lane for this warlock to play into. Bounty Hunter is generally a difficult
match up he almost always either pulls or blocks your camp or both. So you just
never can pull as the warlock you can't walk past the tree line ever. The harass
is you know backed up by some gold steal so if he's just hitting you and you're
sustaining you're still losing gold over the long term. The bounty hunter can kill
a courier which is super annoying. You have no chase or lockdown for this guy.
guy in the game. It also feels pretty bad, so it's a very one-sided matchup in terms
of support on support. Very annoying for the Warlock to play.
So that's another reason we see this bounty come out here. I think it's, we're gonna see
more of these creative pigs as the team's progress this event. Try and answer some of
the top meta. Right, if you're gonna give away, there's only so many heroes you can
ban. Teams are performing super well with specific heroes, then you have to let more
of the general meta through. If you're gonna let through the Warlock to hero tree into
world you better have some creative answer to them how you're gonna deal
with them on the lane and shut them down in the game so I think the bounty pick
is a cool idea it's a cool idea I don't know if bounty is the strongest hero
right now as he's ever been the through and through is quite strong
especially with the Max Shuri I like that part of this hero I think where he
suffers is the transition like getting through the early game it's doable you
have a lot of options playing in the big game with track the fights it's mostly
It feels quite good. My issue is the between things. How do you get from the one to the other in a smooth, sure, a smooth trajectory?
That's where the hero can sometimes just, he just doesn't get there. Kind of like mixed assassin, I think.
Yep, yep, yep, yep. Only, the bounty's aren't, laning is significantly stronger than mixed assassin, so maybe give it some higher chance of getting to that transition phase,
but they both kind of suffer in that little, little valley, as they're trying to push towards.
Sorry, JPK, rather, doing all kinds of weird stuff in order to contend with this Viper matchup, though the Viper matchup, I mean, Puck's one of the better heroes for it, right?
Chilling a little bit. It gets a lot of runes doing some waiting, and there are 12 denies on this Viper, so NTS is definitely controlling the lane, controlling the equilibrium.
However, the Puck is doing quite fine. I've not had to buy a lot of early regen. So he's chilling.
Ex Nova snipes the bounties career in a rare turn of events.
Yeah, that wasn't supposed to happen.
That is blasphemous against bounty bros everywhere.
I wish there were probably three.
That is definitely not true.
There's a lot of Bounty Hunter players out there.
Totally for the fact that the hero steals gold.
Most of them have been reported into non-existence.
Yeah, they're probably banned, which is why they're watching the broadcast instead of playing Dota.
That's pretty true.
Really, Fanny Hunter is definitely one of those top public enemy heroes in pubs.
A true dread to have on your team. You just know this guy's gonna do nothing.
And then blame the other people.
Is Centaur a better answer than Mars to Kesinling?
I feel like they're both beefy boys that should get hit a lot, but it seems like the Centaur
is going okay.
And the fact that he builds Helm of Dom has got to be really good.
If you get the armor items up fast enough, that talent toss killed his healing cell.
I guess he was being slightly better than Mars.
I still think some of these Marslings should be going better.
It's super dependent on your forward position of the gameplay.
I don't think we've seen a lot of super strong laning for us, trying to really out-execute
these lanes as well as they can.
I think people are almost like conceiving the lanes before they even try and play them,
because these 5s are so scary to go up against.
There's a lot of finesse in Dota.
You should never be afraid of a hero just because everyone says it's broken.
And by fighting for a pound room that he will not get, the Viper Obstabiper strike the
Gikiro dragging on dragon violence
Great outs and it's hard to deal with this fight for even as they have the numbers for it one little heal
It's enough to dissuade any more bedroom planes support first important nothing more. It's so strong early on this paper first a
Lot of the nuke damage just have the extra magic resist you have raindrop already online. You're getting one charges
so hard to punch through this guy with
This bounty support duo, it is not that great at fighting a Viper, you're gonna end up on top of him taking a bunch of damage.
Rough hero for a Bat Boon Dairak, but the less they try and deal with NTS earlier the better I think this game is gonna go for them.
Should play through the Kez, play through the Razor even, if you can get some nice links.
At some point, Kez just blows this hero up.
Oh yeah, or sure. They get to deal with Viper later on.
You just don't want this to turn into a Viper skirmish game early.
Wisdom Shrines gets split.
Good news for FY.
It's the much needed XP here.
And the attack is going into bottom.
They're bringing the Kez down here.
He's going to be a long TK for the Shadow Shaman, but when he'll already out on the
sand it seems like Betboom have called the quits.
They brought four heroes down here and feel like they can't force the issue.
disappointing. Going after this then. With the eye of the storm going, but Nero takes
a lot of damage when he's made a bond, he has to actually back out, keep from it, even
with the last round of the Plasma Field, he doesn't hit anything. There's a lot of damage
coming through. If you don't get the Shackle Cancelled, there's someone's going down.
So four heroes bottom for Beth Boomb twice.
Yeah, that was so odd because they chose to take that fight
after Kiritich went back through the game.
He can't linger down there forever though.
I'm not gonna get it, but it turns into a forced play.
You lose the power as well, which is a haste.
NTS just bolted up top, you did get spotted on award.
This is gonna be unsuccessful for him.
Hey, Kiritich is level six anyway.
This is kind of an impossible kill
unless you've got some detection.
Double Centaur action.
Kiritage tried to hit X-XS with a little bit of harass, went for the rafter dance, and
said he got stomped into a stomp.
Centaur, war brothers up here.
Where is he going?
He wants to pull the wave, but he's dead.
by the jikiro really good at killing these homodom creeps mr carol's kind of
good at killing everything in the early game
I feel like XSS got a lot up here though. Pretty farmed he has his dom online plus
double ring. Highest net worth core for XGL lane phase. He lane against kez
jikiro so should be happy with that here very tough lane to get through you got
do quite well did better than the Razor did better than the Sven how Puck is
just cruising through the jungle here didn't get punished by the Sniper pick
too hard here's the one thing for Red Boomb is a haven't gotten a lot going for
this bounty hunter super early here the lane was fine save just didn't really
find any sort of action outside of that but you get it's this transitioner
just super hard to get something going well it's a lot better if a core
leaves lane gives you solo experience that is one way to bypass it does flow
down the cores game so you have to be a little careful with this yes three points
in the sherry now though there's a two-man rotation to the safe lane trying
to fight this viper could be a mistake trying to fight him on the power room
Don't get a power rune. Do get a coil on him, but they just immediately give up.
That is a wise idea.
Yeah.
He's not the guy you want to be scrimshing early.
Or he has boots of travel in line too, so you can join some of the other lanes.
Losing rune could be pretty sweet. Actually, the Viper Strike hits the bounty hunter.
They've got detection on him, but the bounty hunter is going to make a run for it.
He actually got hex shackled on the puck.
Drop the golem on him.
He tried to waiting Rift or about, but too much damage over time.
I was about to say, I was surprised.
He worked there, thought he was safe.
FY shows up, gives him the old chicken fingers plus a level 3 shackle.
That's the siege wagon lane too with the golem, so this tower is possibly dead.
I feel that the one thing Bethroom should not have done is really just try and deal with
the Viper in any capacity.
If I'm safe, this is the last lane I want to be in.
It's just not the guy you're going to and have anything good happen.
You should be scouting this fen.
the easiest target in this early game. Instead of tar maybe, if you feel like you have enough
damage with the kez to punch through.
Actually, you still hold the safe lane tower.
Keratich once again, making a move through the gate to try and pressure on Aame. Aame's
not afraid of him whatsoever after all the viper has a TP. He's slowed down by the ice
pestle. Ooh, what is that range on that shackle?
well that's disgusting that'll probably kill Kirito, nope Ravensvale he's actually
okay don't forget about that dispell it gets rid of a lot of the poison
sounds like you've heard about the dispell, I did forget about the dispell
that's why I told everybody else not to forget about it don't make the same
mistake I did yeah don't make the mistake of assuming you can do anything
to cure yeah just be clear doesn't get rid of my first train does get rid of the
other
battle theory versus deso i know you've had your complaints about this
any chance you're fine with it this game
i'm just a decimal man through and through
yeah you are
the great thing about having
hate in your soul, Austin, is that you just stick by it, no matter what.
It's very satisfying.
Yeah, it is. It is funny how you call that principles.
Really, it's a grudge.
So let's say it's respect.
Nothing to say, opting for fast ags, I'm surprised they're
I thought for a second he was getting eggs over his Boots of Travel, but he already has Boots of Travel.
Ace cores are gonna be farm frags, dude.
You got through an early game against a bounty that might have been able to stalk you, block some camps or whatever.
Instead, you're starting to stack up.
This Ben is gonna accelerate with the mom.
You're just gonna be able to play around goal and drop.
Centaur's gonna accelerate with H.O.K.
And the Boots of Travel and Viper's gonna help him out.
So you have all these early kind of acceleration formulaes for all three of your cores.
If you're... that fume...
Little worried this Razor might fall behind.
He's kind of the one core left out.
The puck can always plant farm.
Battlefury on Kessil keep him up there.
It's a mech Razor.
Hero farm's fast. Ideally you...
You don't want to fight though here. Get the Greaves.
Get the track online.
Start looking for some skirmishing action.
And... on a...
Really did not respect that.
I already canceled the TP, so it kind of worked out.
He baited him with his lack of respect for being quarreled under a tower.
Link got the column.
This column's too powerful. 14-minute wisdom shrine.
Here comes the full invasion from Xtreme.
That's the worst setup to fight this over. The coil leading out onto Aume, on my already path health.
He can get around the Viper to kill the carry. No caretages here to hit the Viper.
Stampede trying to get him away. He's already still low.
Hello, GPK, JumpSpawn, nothing to say, we've already used his Vipers Strike, he's going to die here, two core kills!
I mean, that is... gotta be worth it for Bedboom.
Oh yeah.
Did you get the Wisdom Trial on the side?
There's something for the XG Support Duo.
However, the disrespect...
Not only did he disrespect them once, I only disrespected them twice.
The fuck canceled TP and then walked from mid, and ends up still coiling him under a tower.
You just get nuked down. I'm not sure what the game plan there is.
I feel like that was an easy play for Beth from the main.
If you're a Beth boom, who cares if they take the wisdom shrine? You get the experience from kills and you get extra gold thanks to tracking.
So, super good for a saved game.
Turn around! Blow up Kira Titch! Oh boy!
He took so much damage from return plus ChitVest.
Yeah he did.
They did.
Do not underestimate Chip Vest on these tanky boys.
You look at the damage numbers on that kill.
150 damage from 12 Chip Vest procs.
530 from return.
He just killed himself.
He really did.
That's kind of a bad thing.
He literally bashed his head against the rocks.
That's one way to deal with Kes.
You just let him hit you.
I guess.
He's mega high level 2, level 11, got a lot of soul XP, so...
Again, all these cores find me a lot in this game.
I'm going to come down to who can find better initiations in team fighting.
Maybe Sage can find a couple pick offs here as he works towards Vessel.
I still think tracking Aume in the jungle would feel great if he's confident to go
on to XU side of the map and dodge some sentries.
Always a risky proposition.
You just run into a ward sentry chap, he gets shaman hexed or something.
Oh, that was the pipe!
Super value courier.
I mean, it's a nice little ward here.
It'll work.
It'll work right now.
It's going to create a lot of attention space that
mainly the puck is going to be able to use in this game.
While you're chasing bounty, the puck is getting lanes out.
Maybe they didn't.
Yeah, that ward roll would be really nice for
tormentor timing, see.
Stream game would make these rotations into the safe lane tower.
Also tracks the farming pattern between
side to triangle here.
Yeah.
So you know when to invade Triangle.
When to smoke into it.
When heroes are alone because you're seeing two
setting up those stacks and farming right now, which means XXSE is completely isolated up here. There's a shaman coming.
But they brought the whole team to Pucks here.
Stuck inside the coil, silenced up.
Boxes stand feed last second before he dies trying to help his team perhaps get some revenge, but
One for one. Oh, Viper strike on the Razor. That's not gonna feel good as much.
We'll be the God Strings spent going after him. They chased down the Razor. They got enough damage.
He just dies. Miro shows up and he's almost immediately killed.
Miro's from the tree line with a lot of burst damage. And you're kind of stuck in a rough place
because the Golem and the Shaman wards are behind you.
Yeah. So you're running away from Viper's then into Shaman wards' Golems.
something I'd say stuck between a rock actually I'm not gonna finish that
cuz I could see where that one was going yeah
stuck between a rock and a hard something a hard night a hard night
indeed yes as he is a very defensive character in the game of Dota 2
The very big sword
These are factual statements Austin. I don't know why you're laughing
Dodge that dodge that over son not everybody can dodge that
Yeah, what would team got double stone?
Think that wasn't a dream game
That was a good does a good sequence
That's a tanky boy.
I just can't leave X-XS alone, man.
Got a pipe, man.
I don't know about this.
Well, they do have an amp-tampage, which is why I think they have the cockpit to go
for this one, but oh, Miro, look at that.
He's been Viper-struck again.
You can.
Viper-struck.
That's a pretty good song.
That's just not the guy you want to find in the jungle.
I still think you want to be scouting Sven or Nevee Viper at this point.
Since there was a worst case scenario.
Because his pipe delivery.
Well, that one's fast.
Still finding a lot of farm on this putt.
And I think that's always going to be the case.
Unless the Fy can somehow catch GPK on the sides of the map with the clutch wards.
I don't think he ever dies this game.
A2-3.
That's why he's 31.
Okay.
I had to check.
I just, I didn't know you could be over 30.
You've had those kind of reflexes.
Maybe there's a misclick.
Ah, that actually fits.
Like I'm going in guys.
That's how I'm going to do it.
He's 31.
Oh my god, that's way too old.
Oh, pfft.
Okay.
Relative to me is what I'm saying, you know, it's like it's been too long.
Miro is getting a good drain on the Viper.
Good bit of revenge for him.
God strength is going to be popping.
Suspend, all in, commit to kill.
Miro putting down his stuck in the coil.
Not great.
I don't know what the idea was there from Aume because, hmm,
while the Viper walked into a trap, and that was already bad,
but to make things worse like that, give them an extra kill,
an extra track kill perhaps?
an extra kill. Stampede to get him away, X-XS will be fine. Very disjointed fight. You don't have
everybody there. You can jump on first effectively. The tracks are going out. And you gotta respect
with this. Puck has to organize duty with the mobility if you don't have the stuns in combination
with the spend on him. Like, you don't think Kame can really jump anyway this game. If he doesn't have
the control with you if he's here at this point yeah you jump in yeah you can
jump tags do some damage by now there is no control for you to play off of
you're just gonna get the run around didn't even have to be died yeah I was
gonna say if you had at least like stampede to play off of I mean he still
dies but maybe he kills the razor this has been a weird game for XG and
army specifically yet they're read of it just seems off maybe some of that is the
bounty hunter we're moving a lot of this jungle area they don't want to farm
they're a little afraid of and I thought game one was weird too right we both felt
like they were was a weird being overly aggressive with their lineup
unnecessarily taking fights before like death so and stuff like they're not
really the usual actually style we're gonna farm for a time and take a fight
off that at very discreet points. They're kind of just getting dragged into these skirmishes.
Which is what that's the one. I mean, they're super happy with this. They get another amp
damage on GPK level 16, almost 17. Parasma's gonna be done here. His damage is ramping up
really fast in this game. You're almost more worried about the puck right now than this Kez.
That says a lot. And straight into the roach pit.
I can't, I almost want to get this Aegis to TPK you.
I don't know, you can't care about that.
I mean, Tier 2J is really fun.
He's got battle theory and he's going to have Destiny.
Battle theory, DKB death.
Also, he's going to take it, just because, in theory, fuck, can't die.
Yeah, he's just got Shattershot, no worry about it.
Nope, I told you.
Easy prediction, Austin.
You didn't tell me.
You think that I'd rather give it the fuck?
And TPK agrees, he says I am the boss this game.
Don't boss me around.
Charasmath on Amp damage online.
Dormant Curio in hand.
Oh, he is begging it. Please give me the tier three the whisper of the dread whisper of the dread
He's gonna get it. He's gonna get it
Unlocked whisper of the dread dormant curio fans were joyceing right now. They're like I knew I
Need this was what the play was
Yeah, we've definitely seen a lot less people hold on to dormant curio
It's a lot more weighted dice though, very sus.
Yeah, well that's mostly satanic.
Hasn't been win a lot of years, maybe there's a connection there.
Here's the empty image pop on the puck, four minutes on the ages, he is looking for blood.
Super strong right now.
As long as they don't run into the centaur.
Actually I think no intentional fighting, they're just trying to break smokes and
If the body breaks it, his reactions fail him this time.
Goodbye.
What?
What?
Hello?
Well, apparently they didn't want to fight that badly.
Were they that afraid to go up there?
I mean, he has Aegis on the puck, right?
Worst case scenario, you go up that hill.
Do you see something that's sitting right there or stuns you point blank?
He kills you, okay, and blows your Aegis.
Then you get a team fight out there with a team.
Why were they so afraid of going higher?
They still had plenty of vision from the orb too.
Yeah, that's just megacom...
Unless you got some really weird padding that made him run up there and it just looks like he's afraid and you really just made some weird misclickers on him.
That is bizarre.
Mercy was shown.
No mercy this time.
Or, you know, more mercy.
No more mercy.
Maybe you kids like, you know what, I know you're getting up there and you're 31.
I feel bad killing you. We killed you all game last game.
It's too easy. I want some harder kills.
I assume X-XS is the youngest on the squad.
It was also the hardest to kill.
X-XS is 26!
Imagine being 26. You have your entire life ahead of you.
26, that's half of Ted's age.
That means 28.
Oh, no, nothing stays younger. He's 25.
25? That's not even...
That's what you know, don't it? It's an old Esport.
The youngest player is 25, and other Esports lifted the oldest player in the entire scene.
It's true.
Oh, shit.
They are smoking up that BKB on Aume.
They have Pyke Crimson on the Suntar.
BKB on the Viper as well, so they hit a really nice item window right here.
You connect on it.
Welcome into each other here.
Smoke breaks.
They get a lot of information, but we'll die for it.
Get the jump on him.
Drop the goal.
Meanwhile, jump into the back lines.
Aume, ooh, he's got to break the link.
He's got to run away.
Can't kill a Katomi Katomi doesn't mention hit an ice fast still though by first strike on the racer. It's a problem
He's got PKB, so he's not gonna die. Maybe they go on fatal bonds though. We got a big bond from this one
This is rough make a run for it
Take your TP out before anybody else takes it here in life. Oh, and it should break out clutch silencers here to very nice
I don't disengage the puck
Nice teamfight idea from XG
Going on the bounty first kind of sucks because he's just so tanky. He's not really that useful to bring down
Still they get the stamp he threw they disengage the link they TP the viper on to the goal
Just how NTS can always join these kind of plays without having to commit first bad news Avery
Didn't get whispered the dread
Steady got a GD pollen bag.
Honestly, I would have kept Curio.
I'm not, not Kim.
What is this?
From GPK?
I feel like this dude's life is underrated.
Everyone forgets to use it.
Well, that part, definitely not great.
Probably is good.
Yeah, I already used this DKB on the previous fight, so that boom had full confidence.
They just ran across the entire map, play with that template score, like stick play call.
I'll make sure this game has been off. I'll say that.
He's found nothing.
So power, little puck here, Aeon discarded done.
So now GPK is incredibly difficult to kill.
In fact, I don't really know how you kill him.
It's probably a situation where you just run down the entire team.
You know, 5 on 5 for Roshan or something like that.
And a really long fight where they do manage to catch him initially with the hex.
Beyond disc procs.
The fight goes on for 10 seconds.
They get another second chance at hitting a hex.
To me, this is Bat-Boom's game to lose at this point.
I think they are firmly in control of it.
They have the scaling puck, scaling kez.
You're gonna have vision advantage with the bounty.
Utility from the Razor.
You get next Roshan, you're in an incredibly strong position.
The only thing actually you can kinda do is try and stall this game out and scale into the Ultra Lake.
Where...
Their heroes are just so tanky...
That they have to overcommit in trying to kill them.
Is there such a thing as a hero that is too tanky for Kez, however?
unlikely but I do think Sven's pretty good at taking these other carries out
the back of the game you know
blow them up God strength
I will say sometimes that feels a little depending on whether you get crits or not
G blink into your the interval to get the three or four hits on the enemy carry.
If you crit two out of four you just kill him. If you crit one or zero you just
walks it off. There's a little orange here. But Ami is the lucky guy.
He's lucky. I don't know about that one.
Well you may have vision of the centaur. Four men smoke from extremes.
Gonna break on GPK. Hit him with the hex. Yes they are. You cannot go on that
Good read by extreme not jumping after that.
Ooh, success! Couldn't quite get you on these, got strength and needed to get the coil.
This is not a great start to things. Actually might just fail on this.
Yeah. Also, is that the guy you want?
Downy early.
I think it's just any way that xxs is like it maybe they killed the bounty hunter
But I think it's more important for him to try and get bet boom to go on him
Right, he's using it as a bait. Yeah, I think that's that can be useful
There's no way actually should be committing here. I guess they didn't and the right route of it
The lineup is also likely a lot stronger in a situation where they can force bet boom into them
Which we have not really seen this game.
Yeah, makes it better for the fatal bonds plus cleave from the spend.
And the Viper, no coil here for GPK, so difficult to catch anything.
As they will kick XG out of this top area.
Tormentor is available.
We'll just go back in its way.
First Tormentor, then Roche.
They're using this bounty shard.
I'm wanting these boys running up.
Level 20 on the spend got the extra warcry armor, so I mean it is a lot of armor, 22.
Viper strike TPS for the Viper off of his level 20.
To me, nothing to say is the expectation of this game.
This Viper can have a large impact going on the stretcher and the teamfights, be that
work that can shift XG's fate here otherwise I just he popped Kez Razor scaling
it looks quite spooky extreme game he's just working their way back and forth
being a hendon constantly by bed boom I guess shaman always gives you
You possibly just win this game off of jump hex, kez, there's no savings line up.
There's a downside for that thing, if you can initiate on kez, DKB on your cores, run
in and just start smacking him.
What stops that play?
I mean not much, but kez should always be the last person in the fight.
Well he should, but that's what I'm saying.
Fy finds him.
Now if I could also just try and get to the beginning of this game.
Then nothing stops it.
The shaman life reigns between.
Except for getting like, two shot, might pass.
Yes.
There's the Daedalus, there's the Shiva's Extreme, putting together some items.
At whom have a lot of their timing, so it's gonna break on nothing to stay here.
Nothing to stay, link on him.
Stop attempted on Meryl, he pops his own VKV, nothing to say, starts backing out.
Now here comes the stampede, here comes the spend, going after Keratich!
Keratich, not stunned, fights the spend, hits it with the parry, bashed him off, can't win a manfight against Kez!
There's no way!
I mean, the fact that they here has a bash that goes through VKV, his damage is intense.
Would he just chainbashes you up with his shot-o-sight?
What a hero, man.
What a hero.
There was no lockdown on this, Kez.
If he's thunder, well, I may hit him.
That's like, can we okay flash E?
It's just okayotic the way it starts, and that's Kez in an upshot.
You have been teased, Gunner.
I'm gonna be definitely winnin'.
He's trying to find backline supports.
He doesn't want to jump the razor.
Again, there's no stuns laying down.
Oh, I got the hex on him.
The four stats were just too good.
Okay, well...
I don't think he ever got a spin hit on him while he was pecked.
It's so deep in the fight, there's so many four stats already out in the utility.
That is a good... That's a great find on that one.
Yeah, it looked a lot more reasonable on the replay.
Which is even more considering how bad it was.
Yeah!
Yeah, yeah.
because now he's going to have lincoln's AND an aegis
so that opportunity goes out the window
she's got a impressive lineup with these three cores
it's so hard to kill him in this game
Well, we'll watch Bed Boom chop down the rest of these outer towers, probably at a high ground.
Oh yeah, you go there.
And, uh, big-screen gaming will see if they can hold on to their lives here.
You're gonna have Ag's to cure now.
Give me a bit more firepower from behind the front line.
Butterfly Aegis.
What do you do about that?
He instantly finds the two supports.
Beautiful.
And Viper did hold back the rest of the team, got a Stomp on him somehow.
GPK.
Eon just plotted back into his inventory so it doesn't get popped.
This is just four heroes from Extreme, so they're not doing a bad job holding this.
They're letting Ami get some farm time here.
But it feels like Met Boom will eventually get the opening.
What is Aume even going to get to you?
Fuck, both legs.
Tom goes out, heroes slow down.
Piper's getting a bit low.
X6 has, getting torn up by Keratich though.
Golden's going to be dropped on him as the DKB goes down.
They almost finished him off though.
Oh, I mean, even Phil, even if he doesn't lose the Aegis here,
that is enough to force Vettum back.
Aume was farming that entire time.
That's a good hold.
Yeah, that was really good for them.
He needs to get to MKB in this game.
That's what they've identified.
He does not want to enter another fight without MKB. He has no chance of bringing this guy down.
You cannot bring Kaz down, you cannot win the fight.
But he is racing against that clock.
Gee, they hold him.
Kind of a weird fight from Beth Boone.
GBK finds the two supports and nobody else commits. They don't want to take the fight that deep.
And then it's pretty hard to siege this straight up against the Viper.
Because the Viper just sits behind his tower, starts hitting you.
He forces you to make a decision.
And if either you're jumping Viper, potentially, is by, deep in his base.
Or you're just backing off. They choose to back off.
You can go hunt the map, I guess. You can only send the bounty and try and find Sven Farley.
Currently on a ward right now.
I mean, they can also just...
It didn't work out the first time, they still have Aegis for a bit of a mouth.
You're gonna pick off like that opens things up pretty nicely level 25 on the puck yeah
got a wisdom shrine now a kill we'll have a poke enough in a day again here a little
Stammin' strain on him
I didn't left on this Aegis, so if you want to force the hire, now's the time to do it
They dropped not to, this Aegis got an expire
Actually pushed through the period, don't lose a rat
He went full Harpoon on the Sven.
I feel like you need MKB here.
Really badly.
Or Bloodthorn build up or something.
Yeah, considering the...
They got the jump on the Kes.
He took the fight to the Kes.
The Harpoon would have changed absolutely nothing about that fight and the way he lost
it.
Also, just hard putting on a hero that has a vision against you, does not feel great.
Gonna go for the play right now with the H6 firing to try and find some sort of takeoff
on this map.
Mera is sitting on the high ground ward, the rest of his team is rotating over to join
him here.
Extreme game is gonna jump in blind off of their scan.
Okay, they just steal the byground ward.
And replace it with one of their own.
It's so hard to make any sort of play outside the base when all these heroes are invisible.
And this bounty chart.
Huck is just ratting the map. He can't catch him.
level 25 now so there's another tool to combat this bet in the middle of the
fight something on it will have to somehow get around okay how many more
things is that for me though I feel like we're just been listing things that
like man bedroom is really strong look at this look at that look at this and
still nothing
Yeah, but we have far more kills in 40 minutes.
They are farmed.
18,000 net worth.
Time to strike.
Okay, you're holding this high ground.
I don't have the Viper with you though.
So it doesn't matter if you have the high ground advantage if you don't have all your
heroes.
X, XS.
He's gonna stampede, run away, they put a coil on him.
He's pretty tanky.
Oh, there he is.
Took a lot of hits from Kiritich and got coiled.
Oh, it's unconvincing.
Because they're almost up there.
So at least actually you have a frontliner, I guess.
They're confident about that now.
Too many of us crimson up.
Yeah, they can get more cry and such.
Yeah, he's waiting for next roach now.
We're unable to go high ground with that previous Aegis.
You need another one here.
That can be a roast that actually can test is doable
Not easy
It feels like one of those boredom games we're talking about where the team that wins is the one who
All they get bored because although they missed it the gold is gonna be dropped onto three with a long range shackles on a cheapy
Tank might get the on discount of him
Backpacked it during his face shift, so he doesn't lose it to the Viper strike. That's why
And goodbye golem.
No.
The golem.
By the way, did you see the mechanic in game one?
You can glimpse golem.
What does that do?
If you glimpse it within the first five seconds of it being created, it goes to the center
of the map.
I thought they got rid of that.
I don't know.
Did it go to the center?
Or was it just that's where it got to the center?
Yeah, apparently that's what happened somewhere.
I know there was a there's a point where they got rid of all those mechanics that they're recenter to the center
Yeah
Really egregious one in the first home is the first home has no
Existence
Previous to its summoning yeah, where else is gonna go?
Well, it should just go to where was summoned
Yeah, but if that wasn't five seconds ago.
That's what I'm saying, should just extend that.
If you were nowhere, then you are only half the soonest point that you have.
Turn you understand what I am saying.
So, Dundal, don't even understand space, it's a good length for spin, almost 25.
Well, Kiritage is already 25.
You take Storm Hammer Stun, very sure, I think you do.
What?
This is effectively bonus damage anyway.
But what if you don't?
What if you already DKB'd?
Oh, that's the downside.
But if you land it...
It's gonna go ham sandwich.
Have you seen, uh, Swiftlink on Kez before?
Normally, this hero has enough mobility, you don't need it.
Seems like you're gonna attack real fast, though.
That is what the hero likes to do.
Well, it's twenty-two gold leaflet, so I assume when we go into this fight that they should
just wipe the floor.
Starting off on the Centaur once again, four staff gets bound.
They don't see this one.
Nothing to say.
It did take a decent amount of damage.
I do want to point out that extreme gaming haven't gotten a kill in since like it's been
like almost twenty minutes.
Yeah, well, what about this coming in from behind? Well, that's just more kills for Beckham, perhaps.
Next, next, next, next. He's actually dying to Kiritich.
He's got a Stampede right away. They're just gonna coil him. He gets high fat. They tie him around quite a bit.
Extreme gaming, obviously not fighting back. They're full retreating.
Ehh...
Scary. Three heroes survive for Extreme. Two picked off. Four Beckham. That's enough to take the Roche.
A fresher shard on this one.
That place sounded GPK's way.
They have not killed a core since you remember when they walked.
Is it nothing to say killing Miro at 19 minutes?
Holy moly!
Do another cliff base dude!
That was a backbreaker right there.
Dear Lord.
Something, somebody call an ambulance.
Not for me call it for army can't spell ambulance
That's a chiropractor move right there. That's what I need right now. I need someone to do that to me
Well, that's not gonna throw me in your place
This is, uh, not inspiring. Viper's just hitting.
The Kiritage over and over again, and the damage is so slow.
Kiritage is taking objectives.
Well, that's coil down.
It is. Two men stop. Not too bad. They make a jump from Abbe.
They go after Miro.
He eats the cheese, and he stays alive as a result.
Now you've got to hit Kiritage.
And we've seen this one before.
We've seen this one before.
This matchup is so bad.
Well, that's 90 seconds snow spent, so probably looking at the game here.
Simultaneously did not have MKB complete, but also didn't have the gold for buyback.
Worst of both worlds, I'm like, oh, I kind of hope this one's over, just let out the
watch then try and hit this year on the wall.
Yeah, it does feel like an exercise in futility.
It's just that.
The hero with the built-in abyssal blade is good against that.
Oh, got the hex on him.
Of course, GDK is just slotting in his Aeon disc, so you're not going to kill him fast
enough before the Aeon disc gets in from the backpack.
Nice back.
Back reply, burning out nothing to say.
He will survive.
Barely.
That talent cost doing so much damage.
Jeez.
Still two and a half on Hades here.
Can you weather the storm for the Aume respawn
so that he can die to Kez one more time?
Please, guys, this time when I fight the Kez,
it'll be different.
What else do you do though?
It's not really like you can take the fight right now.
Go, GG.
Got an axe on the Kez.
For staffs that are getting out, the paid up on is doing
a decent amount.
It's actually green to Shakira low.
Ah, male, nine seconds.
Can't bet, boom.
Finish off this lane, if Barrick's a retreat before the Shaman is back up, they cannot.
Now they're retreating.
Now they got hexed.
Kiritich, they got him on the shackle.
He's back.
A buyback used.
Why is this damaged, man?
Ah, male wants revenge.
Ah, male, can he kill?
Kiritich, just one time.
I'll take it, even if it's just the Aegis.
Don't take it at this point.
They're waiting for the perfect moment to strike.
heritage he'll back up the full off of the state panic two minutes left on the
ages watching him parry and then blink out it's kind of disgusting by the way
another hat another four staff another it's funny how effective the macro
players been in this game stop initiation but mirrors already popped his BKB and
they will finally deal with this pesky viper that it has been a news and try to
He's gonna kill him, got the hex out of the puck. Here comes Hurricane Joe. Okay, he got hexed up, but he just diced his up the Shadow Shaw, man.
Alright, one more time, Mame. Let's do this one more goddamn time.
They forced him out. He's chillin'.
He still hasn't popped his God's strength. He still got that in his back pocket.
It's all a fate.
Once we get that MKB, Kiritich will know pain.
That is if Aame doesn't die inside of the fountain, do the constant assault.
Boy, streams are really just, they really want to take one more fight.
Here it comes.
There it goes! He got the stroke of the lankans!
Well, I think we learned a little bit about Kez playing this game, and, uh,
you can actually feel real bad playing that one, as they have no catch to just put Kez around the map.
You just farm up, scale up, become unkillable, are dealing the most damage in the game, secure every Roshan,
and I just never died in a teamfight.
That one death between them now is very early on.
It was a...
Aame looks...
...the...
...brutal in 0-6-1.
He just could not connect on anything.
Very, very rough game for actually.
I think there's a little battle to what they were even supposed to do there.
I think you had to kill this puck at least two or three times and let that really
mid in your snowball to fight for that's probably your best chance of being.
Not very easy to do here especially with Downey running interference. Kind of a quiet game for
sake but I think you had a lot of in-change when it packed here. Just ruining their smoke plays,
getting deep wards out, you're seeing where they're farming. It lets you just wrap the map super
Progressively with Puck Kez, and even Razor was shoving Razor's whole game because you're not afraid of anything because Batty just gives you so much info and actually can't make a move.
Well, let's go ahead and go back to the pan. I'm sure they're refreshed after the nap I'm sure they took during that game too.
That boom team made equalize the theories after defeating Sven with Kaz and a Razor and a
Jackiro and a bounty hunter and a puck and then they beat the Viper and the Sventor and
the Shadow Shaman and the Warlock.
Are you just naming heroes?
Anyone could do that.
That's all he does.
Have you not noticed that?
Whenever he just goes like they have banned and then he just lists the bands on hopes that we talk
I specifically do it because there's a lot of I've gotten
Commentary on this where people are either watching in their car or they like aren't focused on the stream itself
And they're like oh now I don't have to like look back and forth. I actually really like that
I'm like a person that does this a lot where I was like having in the background especially for parts that I'm like
Not that locked into it's really nice when you get like, you know the radio experience
Exactly.
Where somebody talks over the game as if, like,
and you go down better as if you didn't see it.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I actually do like that part, but I'm not on panel with you.
It was too bad.
Then you get to watch this thrilling game, mate,
and why don't you tell us about this game then if you're such an expert?
What?
Yeah, big brain.
Yeah.
Adam's...
Yeah.
What did I say that could possibly lead up into that?
I said I appreciate what I'm not on panel with you.
Yeah, and now you're...
That was a compliment.
Now you are on panel with me.
Yeah, and then when I'm on panel with you, I mean, I appreciate you to talk about more stuff.
Oh, I see. Good cover. Okay. That's what I meant.
Well, I named all 10 heroes and as you said, my goal is to name all 10 heroes and then I hope that you got stuck.
And then you, exactly. And then you talk about the fans. Can I name five of the heroes in that game?
Yeah.
There was a Viper, a Razor, a Kez, a Jaquiro. That's five.
That's four.
Okay, there was a...
It was a top five.
Sorry?
There's a Warlock.
Oh my god, two four.
There's a Warlock, there's a Spen.
That's more than five.
That's one five. That's five.
Yeah, that's funny. I cleared the 10.
You take those.
Why am I being thrown under the bus? What is this bit?
No, I mean, to be honest, I think it's a bit weird. They last picked Sven into Kes.
I think that hero, Sven is all about, I'm gonna manfight you.
And Kes is the king of manfighting, because he hits you like a billion times in one second,
and he stuns you through BKB and all this crazy crap.
I don't really, doesn't make much sense to me.
I also think NTS is not really a Viper guy.
He's like a mobility player or a like chill Vibe the lane player.
Viper does not suit him, in my opinion.
And I also feel like they should consider banning this razor because it's kind of a crotch rebelling
I think because they played in three lanes the players are very comfortable on it
And I think they've shown some real drafting issues when they don't have the razor some surprise it actually keeps giving it
Especially because I don't think extreme
Understand the hero very well yesterday. We saw them also give it to giving on at the razor because they were like, okay
Well, maybe our
safe lane or mid lane matchup isn't as good. So let's give Ami the razor and it doesn't seem like they understand the hero as well as other teams do.
It's not a like, I feel like it's not like hysterically like
Chinese region hero. Yeah, unless you look back like to the olden days of like
The mid razor that bought Kredz and the BKB. Yes, super. Oh, wow. I was thinking Ori
Oh, yeah, that era of like each like it's been many years since China was like razor region in that way
um
So no, for sure, it's not really like, I wouldn't really think of Ominous as much of a Razer player,
he can play it obviously, but like, it's not his, it's not his juice.
It's like when Curtis plays Windranger, it just doesn't work, you know?
Meanwhile, when he's playing Kaz though, life's good, and yeah, the matchup even beyond the
amount of burst damage that Kaz can apply to a Sven, when you're trying to hit the Kaz as a Sven,
if his parry is up, you are completely cucked right now.
Yeah, you kind of just get fried. I mean,
I mean, Sven, I feel like, is one of those, like, unless his heroes' numbers are really, really busted,
I feel like the hero is generally not that good, because you just get kited,
and all these newfangled heroes with these newfangled spells just kind of own you.
He's kind of a straightforward guy.
He is. He's just, I farm, and I stun you, and then I hit you.
He's a very old hero.
No one interrupts.
He's a War 3 relic type hero.
Kind of, yeah.
They haven't really done much to Sven, actually.
He hasn't really changed.
He's one of the one of those heroes that it's like everything else has moved on and he's like we're out
You stand by my shit. I don't need to you like that's what he's got. That's what he's got
I said, I can't help you my friend if he came to me and he said
Godfather, you help me farm, then he would be farming this very day, as it is I could not help him.
What have they done to my boy?
God, I'm asking my boy!
That's all he was known for. Well done, son. That was awesome.
That was actually awesome.
That was incredibly good.
That was awesome.
I think it's indicative of Sven being that type of hero for so long that even his innate is just doubling down on the type of hero he is,
hero he is, which is just like, oh yeah, you stun someone and kill someone. If they're
stunned you're gonna hit them even harder now.
I kinda like it though. I like that some heroes are just still like simple guys. And the fact
that Sven is even like sort of pickable is cool. Like I wish that some of the more other
old school heroes were like pickable.
I'm scared for what mine is going to be.
I'm not good at this, I'm not good at this.
What kind of question do you think you would have the most potential with, Aiden?
Because the floor is yours, I can tee you up however you want.
I'm not scared of your question, those are usually pretty easy, they're Dota related.
Whatever prompt is going to come on the screen, following these two?
Alright, if you're extreme gaming right now, then you're evaluating what the drafts could be.
Aiden, what would you advise would you give?
Can the prompt be fall asleep on tsunami?
I don't know. Do they even have one for you?
Hopefully, it's fall asleep on tsunami.
You wanna fall asleep on top of tsunami?
Yeah, on his question.
Instead of answering his question, fall asleep.
I think that'd be really funny problem.
What was your question again?
It was a generic...
I AM VERY LOUD!
What?
Answer the question.
What?
You're speaking so quietly, I can't hear you!
I can't hear you!
Extreme gaming are currently in the liquid facility, the Alienware facility, and they're looking for advice.
I love the Team Liquid Alienware training facility!
Advice that would help them win game number three.
Go outside and get some sunlight, because it can be hard to find a son of the practice rooms.
Vitamin D deficiency is non-withstanding in terms of the heroes that they could pick, in terms of the heroes that they should be banning.
Yes!
That's it.
Alright.
Someone's broken this damn thing.
Someone's broken this.
Is that you?
Someone's broken my damn ears.
Excellent work, gentlemen.
Another classic TI grand final caliber panel has been displayed by our...
Oh, I have one.
I've been doing this the entire time.
I'm a method actor, and it's a little bit nerve wracking sometimes
whenever I have people who will refuse to cooperate on my panels. I'm trying to ask them questions
and they are trying to be intentionally subversive. I have to worry about... I get the throws,
I have to worry about who's playing the games, I have to worry about when we go to commercial
because when we return, it's going to be game number three of Beppin' Team versus Extreme Gaming!
I'm gonna kill you!
Attack! Love it, Tom!
Just wait, just move your body to the music
Just wait, just let the music take control of you
Just leave
Just gonna fight you
With a fancy
Just leave
Just let the music take control
Just let the music do its thing
You never need to search
Anything to do
Girl, I just wonder why
It's been so long, something goes off in my mind
Every time I feel you close like a spark
But you just can't control this obstacle to fly
I'm the man I'm on a high, I just can't describe
Girl, you know that's so easy, so easy
I love you more, just keep doing it
I swear I love you more, baby
I love you more, baby
Just sleep
Just move your body to the music
Just sleep
Let the music take, just let the music take
control the music
just move your body to the music
just make
just let the music take control
just let the music do the same
Like I'm on a high, I just can't resist
Getting over this
So easy, so easy
To love
Just to turn it off
I try to be
Really
To love
But I just might
Just leave
All you've got to do
Don't wanna give this dance No, no, let's give it one more try
Don't wanna say goodbye No, no, let's give it one more try
Once we were both so happy, just hanging out, there was no doubt
Why did we take for granted? All that was good, I wish we could
Find what we had and bring it back, I'll try
Let's give it one more chance, yeah
Don't wanna give it one more time
Let's give it one more try
But I don't wanna say goodbye
I know we both had moments
We both the same
No one's to blame, no
I'm sure that you agree, it's not over yet
Let's not forget, almost all the times
I've gone good, so good
Don't wanna do this to me
Don't wanna do this to me
But one more try
Just one more try
I wanna say that I love you
A love like we once had, I just can't be tonight
If we both become this way then
Now that you take my hand
Let's do it all together
I wanna say that I love you
Welcome back everyone to a game over three of Betlum team versus extreme gaming and it's
rare that we get a game number three I was scrolling through and not just day shift but
in general so far in group stage two I believe this is the only fifth game three that we've
that throughout the entirety of group stage 2 and we've got like 16 16 series
that adds up to 15 15 game is 15 correct which is the number of wins the
Bat Rider has actually what it was well it just said 15 then press of maybe he
was the secret to success in all those games I just know that shit I'd be so
good at my job like this is the 29th overall Bat Rider pictures just
Calculate the seven infinite sheet of paper like me where I can consult these things the mind is an infinite sheet of paper
Neil whoa, that's deep
my palace
All right, you want to tell me the heroes that are on the screen alright, so betton team have decided to ban out tree and protector
shadow fiend shadow demon
Lord are
Fun fact what's his name into the one slaughter? Yeah? He was called
Fishman!
The Slytherin Guard!
Mars!
Windranger!
Mars did not exist in Dota 1!
Correct!
What are those four heroes you named?
What happened to them?
They have been banned by Extreme Gaming!
Badrider has been picked by Extreme Gaming as the first pick and responded to by Batboom with Disruptor.
What was Batrider's name?
Well, Batrider runs around.
No he doesn't!
He flies around.
Correct.
And he has no mobility spells.
He just runs, he's got...
Sorry, flies.
He's got no way to escape the glimpse.
So whenever he's going whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo-whoo,
trying to stick the fire on you,
he gets glimpsed back into the enemy's midst
and they beat him to a pulp, like that scene from The Boys.
But now, prove your mechanical knowledge
about how skill interactions work,
so people that are 2k in the mart home are impressed.
So if you glimpse the Batrider while he's mid-last,
it'll break the last, so...
Oh my god, that is fantastic!
What an amazing counter to Batrider they've discovered and disrupt her.
Very grief. We should really just trade jobs there though.
Do you actually enjoy watching Dota 8?
I love watching Dota 8.
Are you sure?
Yeah, why?
Do you seem very angry about it?
No, I'm not. I love watching Dota 8.
They have banned the frog, which I believe we've learned.
Bats?
Easier to beat than frogs.
Uh, I'm not convinced that I think they're both very strong,
but I can see why you would think,
hey, we can just kill the bat.
You cannot kill the frog.
In extreme gaming's hands, we also have not seen a Zabat enough to really ban it out concretely for them.
X6S has only played it twice then. He was only able to win one of those games against Exegration, but he lost against Fedra.
That's a 50% win rate, Neil.
50%? You know numbers!
I know, mate. I'm just here for that.
You're in there.
I'll tell you what, then I can tell you some more numbers. Betboom's webcams. 480p is a dream for them.
It's kind of just wishing both space them out of the cam. It's me.
Aspect ratio is all they're playing on like that's a working camera use more of those ones whatever brand that is
Order some more up. I think that's a
Dell slash alien where webcam. Oh really? Yeah, and if you go back to the state of hybrid
Yeah, that means the same brand this this is a logitech webcam
And then we go back to Katow me
Look at the quality different. I have a logitech and it's much better than that
No, that's what logitech looks at is not what go back to the Dell cam. Okay, wait
Go look at look at Thave's armband color. You see you see the color? Okay, we go to someone else's camp
Go to think it was uh, yeah, see that color. Okay, then look at characters hair
It's the same color
It's hair is the same color as this headband. It's the armband
The sleeves they're all wearing the same color. What part of the sleeve is that cool? That's not the cuff
What is that part of the sleeve called the bottom end of the sleeve?
The bicep grabber, the elastic.
The bicep grabber, yes, that's what I know, the bicep grabber.
Yes, the hem perhaps?
Maybe it's the hem.
Maybe it's the hem.
So, tsunami, you've been watching Dream League for a while now.
A couple of days.
What do you think about picking 9 support and 13 support as the two-move down here?
I've been told, actually no, I haven't been told, I speak with utmost confidence that
it indicates weakness, oftentimes.
If you don't have a core that you feel enough conviction for that I'm presenting a problem
for you. Here's my first phase pick core. You need to respond to it. Then that's how
you establish draft integrity. However, when you're starting off with just two supports,
just two dooboo's, as we like to call them back in the day on my professional team of
Dota, then it's just, it doesn't inspire confidence.
Dang, that's, that's really, I completely agree, you know, that's, that's very insightful.
Glutton, glutton.
Elequently put, and I, uh, I agree. I don't think these first two heroes really, they do much.
The jacquero to me is says nothing. I also don't have four jacqueroes particularly good because we've talked about how the lane mechanics
that are in safe lane and offline work. When you're playing heroes that want to hit you a bunch that want to run you down the lane
being in the offline edge tends to be worse because the lane is generally nearer to the safe lane's power because the safe lane is broken.
That's very interesting, Clint. And now since you said something smart, Ted, you say something funny.
All right, well tsunami, now you filled the gap since nobody has anything to say right now.
They pick up the Underlord, which if is going to be the Miero Hero of choice, I'm a little
bit disappointed.
I prefer seeing him on the Blink Stunners, that is the archetype, that's the box that
we've put him in over the past few days, and he's stepping out of the box.
It's team fight, I'll give you that much.
It's Aura's, sure, but beyond that, who's really initiating fights?
Who's getting the vision for this Disruptor to get the glimpses?
Also Neil, as we've said many, many times before, if you end up getting behind Disruptor,
fun no fun hero possibly the worst hero in the game to be playing. I think bounty is also bloody
awful behind the behind me yes there's no planet to be sure you know it's fun fact generally speaking
playing from behind is less fun than playing from ahead here better when they're ahead than they are
but do you think some heroes are worse when they're at the hardware when you're behind with certain
heroes to even come back so unironically sometimes if I have like a shadow fiend mid on my team and
and we're doing well early, I'm more discouraged about the game.
Because I'm like, oh my god, this guy, he's going to feel himself too much.
He's going to go out of position.
He's going to get 1v5, and then he's going to throw the game.
And so sometimes I prefer playing from behind in like the first seven minutes.
I've actually watched my friends play, and this is something I've genuinely noticed,
is when they get ahead, like this is, we're talking like lower MMR games,
when they get ahead, chances are they're going to do something incredibly stupid.
When they're behind, they tend to stick together, they farm the map, they do all these smart things because they think they can't kill the enemy.
That apprehension is what breeds the teamwork.
If you're doing too well and everyone has too much networks, you have all these items that you're like,
oh, I have a Blink Dagger and a Desolator, I don't need a BKB, I don't need my supports, it's fine.
And you were in a surprising fact, I feel like it's sometimes a prize that applies to top games too.
I can see it.
Yeah, like for real they'll just start like spreading out trying to do too many moves trying to get too fancy
And then that way you throw the game and
It's unlucky. You gotta maintain the fundamentals. Yeah, Bethlehem's team is so boring
It is like John Blob four times. What is happening? No flare. Nobody's doing anything. It's just like I am Lord
It's also NTS
He is least on Al-Tinker.
He is least on Al-Tinker.
They have no way to catch this guy.
Apart from Glimpse, that's it.
Underlord is also like...
His whole game plan is I'm gonna be...
I'm gonna be Mr. Fat.
I'm gonna be here, and you can't deal with me.
No matter you do any damage, I'm boring.
And Tinker's like,
This is the eye of pure damage.
You can't reduce that.
I'm gonna make that smaller.
I'm gonna send in my army of machines.
Oh, this is...
That is thick.
Tinker, isn't Tinker honestly like one of the most fun years
has he get picked?
When I'm not in the game, yes. I'm not in the game, great fun.
I feel like, as a viewer, to see NTS play Tinker is like the best day of my life.
I feel bad for the people who never got to see the re-arm items in Tinker.
Look at Polk's face!
Ugh, he just literally did the frown and then the sit back in the chair like,
ugh, ugh.
Yeah, and he's not even playing.
Yeah, he's like, oh shit, the gods are gonna hate this.
Legitimately, though, like who is jumping this tanker?
Nobody.
Gpk Storm Spirit.
That's the only option I see left, which I have to imagine will be the last ban for Xtreme.
They banned out the Huskar, which is just the insurance ban, but like...
I...
I feel very dispirited.
Look at that, his hand is starting to rot away.
Looks like his hand is zombified.
He's already given up on this game, he's just decaying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Blark gets banned out by Beppum team as we need, and Aame hero still for Xtreme, which
I am kind of...
He's thinking this up, it doesn't matter what it is, it's in the bag.
They didn't ban Storm though.
Not Beppum.
Then he wouldn't have been able to play it.
We got Aame playing Storm?
No, I mean like, I told you it's going to be GPK Storm in this game.
It's already been scripted.
Oh, it's faded.
Yeah.
Oh yes, I missed the memo.
Yeah.
Faded.
I told myself it's on my barber.
Shit, drink.
Sit down.
Stand up.
What is a carry counter to storm?
Anti-mage?
Can we get an anti-mage?
24-click anti-mage.
Then a batten goes mid?
A batten goes mid.
Oh no, no, no, sorry. You're saying...
I'm a preemptively E.
Ehhh?
A preemptive anti-mage to counter the storm.
The XG lads are soo chipper, they're loving life.
They also got the bird of the word.
Although I wouldn't say it's like the best bird game.
I feel like it's not that good of a Caslain, is it?
I bet they picked something like an Amber or some shit.
I mean it's very likely a Spirit type hero because it gives you gap close, it gives you some setup.
They have pretty nice hops for it.
I care what generally speaking really likes having some sort of hard lockdown and all the spirits kind of provide that if you defense matrix
Can you get out of roots? Yes, you can
I think no actually maybe they nerf that
No, it's only leashes that you can leashes. You can only roots you can it's only leashes
The puck specifically Grimstroke tree and and slark at those only four leashes
What is the CM?
Well, Treance was a bind, actually.
No, a bind, that's right.
I thought Treance was a leash. Did it change it?
Now, when CM freezes you in place...
Oh, they're gone for QOP!
QOP of pain!
That's a Queen of Queen of Pain.
Tell us about Queen of Pain against Tinker.
QOP against Tinker. It should be quite good for QOP.
You can kind of just spam Dagger on him.
Tinker has this issue around level 4 to 5.
of 5. Like level 4 specifically is a bad level for Tinker because you're really strong at early levels
like 1, 2 and 3 because you have laser and it's an insanely strong spell and you have good damage
but once you get to level 4 now you put your second point in the one attack marches and your nuke
is not like that strong anymore it's falling off a little bit because it's a single target you can't
push the wave with it and so this is weird window where queen can like spam you any kind of HP issues
because your trading becomes a little worse and so like as the lane pans out this is level between
4 and 5, and Queen's also going to get 3 points in dagger potentially, so you can get owned there,
but if you get past that bit, then you just start spamming March on the wave, so you get the 6,
and you get like 6 farms psychotically fast, because you can farm Agents every minute,
which no other hero in the game can do at level 6. You farm like literally the fastest in the
entire game, so you need to shut him down, set on his triangle, be obnoxious to the 0, or he farms
like way too fast. So why opt for the Queen of Pain over the Storm Sword? The laning phase thing I
I understand but then like after that once tinker hits overdrive on farming then still how are you catching this tinker?
I know I tend to agree. I think in terms of mid game it is like it's worse for your draft
It's better against their heroes like Queen can maybe solo carry this game where storm is like it helps your boys more
Yeah, look you can see my evil horns here
Because I serve the dark majesty queen of pain my queen
Anything you command of me I shall do
Unfortunately, I believe you've lost this game, you'll imagine.
Tragic.
There's nothing to say, Tinker.
B.S., too strong, even for you.
But I have faith!
Show me the way, Highness!
I'm gonna die for you!
Take it away, Jack!
Take it away!
And get hit by it!
Get struck by it!
A game number three!
Ka-ka!
With the translocator fast, that ticker certainly is a smooth criminal, though I do want to
Correct the panel, really quickly.
It's Roots and Leashes.
Both able to go through transquit.
Is he quick clean?
No?
We-Weekipedia says?
Wrong.
You think Weekipedia's wrong?
I do.
Really?
Okay, well in that case it's just kinetic field is technically a leash.
I don't know how that works exactly.
But.
All right, well, I guess we're gonna find out I
Don't bet against the girl. That's all I know I know
Give a damn what the mechanics are what what the heroes are what the mechanics are?
I'm surprised I left the storm and then I was more surprised. I didn't take the storm
I thought it's gonna be a GP K storm game for sure. I'm also always surprised when these teams leave Keds
Especially after there's a game in the series where Keds just destroys the game like oh
All right, you know they they gave it one two looks completely stupid it broken
But no one's gonna play against Kessian and then the very next game which is just ignored until last pick
I feel like I'm living in some weird dream simulation matrix or something where it's just like you can't ban kez
You go in the draft screen you have kez hovering you're trying to ban it and it doesn't the fun doesn't work
You have to leave it
Is this hero just not as strong as it looks does every game we watch this year old oh?
And it looks incredibly demoralizing to play against.
Yeah, they just want to throw again.
So we're okay.
Why not?
Last pick, Kez.
I mean, they have Batrider, Tinker, and Kez.
It feels like some unbeatable heroes from what we have watched.
For sure.
We would be casted in this dream league.
That means I'll probably lose in 10 minutes or something.
Yeah, probably.
It's usually out of thought it works.
Two other lanes go here for Vet Boom.
I do like the Queen pick.
I think it was between the Queen and the Storm.
Queen gives you a little more individual scale, as Fanel mentioned.
Or maybe more consistent for the squad.
But Storm, Zip, have disabled kill Tinker.
I agree. I like Storm and Tinker more than Queen,
because you just have more jump and more fall.
If you can jump him, you translocate to jump him again, right?
You're just constantly on top of him.
Thanks, Nova. First blood with some dagger whip action.
kills a Shakiro, gets a trinket, gets the tonic for the trinket.
OK.
I mean, daggers, whips, strong drinks, looking like your hotel room, Austin.
Good reference to Rihanna, but it took a different turn entirely.
That's a lot of those interesting things about Dota history that I think the public doesn't know.
There's been some absolutely destroyed hotel rooms. Oh, yeah, not saying you yes, but I
mean if you're one of those guys like man, where did my favorite talent XYZ from 10 years
ago like why is it work lands anymore? Probably destroyed hotels from somewhere that it's
was like you're never gonna work another land because you just bought $30,000 in properties in it.
I, yeah.
You know, sometimes that's the case. It's not like, it's like, oh this guy just didn't know enough about Dota.
It's like, no, he knew enough about Dota. He didn't know enough about drywall and refrigeration repair.
I'm gonna fight if you're killing me or not.
And now, fighting Steve as well all over the Lotus.
Betboom are gonna lose both of these fights.
Aame will die, but he dies afterwards!
He doesn't even... he got the experience for both the kills, gold for both the kills, they got a Lotus.
That is not a good trade for Betsy.
It's fine, guys. The next time we run Melee Blob here on the Kessling, it'll work out.
Mmm. One of these days.
It's gonna... it's gonna...
Go how I dream.
Mars, Centaur, Underlord.
I'm taking crazy pills or something.
I sit here every day and I watch Kesha destroy these games.
Just keep, just last because of it.
I mean I understand like rather than meta, there's some stuff that's our priority.
Teams have specialized here, they're trying to ban those and like you have some soft answers
and you're going for exchanges and all that.
Well, I mean extreme gaming thought one of their answers was
That was a no-none answer though that one I was that was just a swing of miss you miss so bad
That's one of those things you swing you miss the bat breaks and then like impales a kid on the side
That was I don't know what the game plan there was we're gonna write that one off this draft over me. She is I
Like it. It's cooking. It's got the tinker. It's got that says
It's got some strong lanes, it's got double saving supports in this line up too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a box that's really good against this Rupter.
There's a good nullifier fire in this event.
I guess we have that going for you.
Yeah, it's true.
You can buy radians, just assemble, make it a nullifier at some point when they need
it.
So with the double kill up top, the kez is leading the board.
Other lanes are going pretty even here.
If that boom can pick up some of the pressure, do a bit of disruptor in this game.
You could go around trying to glue in some people, maybe rotate the Queen with a Sonic
Wave into the Kess Lane, something like this, try and break open this lane phase.
Remember when I was playing Bat Rider in some of our party queue games?
Yes.
Yes, I heard about that.
There are probably many reasons it went wrong, do you want to know what are the reasons it
went wrong?
I don't know.
Why don't you tell me, Austin?
It was falling into AxeXS. Because AxeXS was playing Batrider and it was really cool and he was going boosted Barry.
Was it?
But the problem was...
Was it really cool?
His problem was, he was going the wrong fasted.
What was the problem?
So, AxeXS has since learned that this PookieNapalm fasted is very good. You're not supposed to go to Firefly.
Really?
Which is what he used to go.
What did you go?
I went to Firefly.
That's what I thought.
It's not my fault I was copying xxs, man!
So many L's in my life.
Wait for me, you have to explain it.
When you meet the big man, it's not on me.
Who's the big man?
You'll find out, son.
Okay.
He's in one of those hotel rooms.
He's the big boss, you have to answer two for all of your Kodakarai.
The lights of the Lixon chain?
That's right.
He's a Dota boss, I don't like the rules.
Well, Tinker got to level 6 pretty unscathed here.
Miro, it's a trouble here.
Tag team.
FY, snowball dodge will buy him a little bit of time.
The hope is that they could somehow kill FY in exchange for Miro, but...
Well, Tinker's gonna start farming up.
He did not get punished by his queen pick on the lane.
As Quinn mentioned, there was a small window there.
It did not happen.
Nobody ganked him.
Nobody blocked him.
Well, they blocked one of the hardcams.
Too many lane problems here.
Oh, seven minute wisdom shrine?
Oh, for whole...
Ooh, the bad one.
Taken two.
Ooh, HG taking an L.
Awkward timing.
The ticker had to go to base right when these wisdom shrines spawned.
NTS maybe could have managed that a little better and they could have defended their own.
Pretty rare you give that up, boy, that Tinker lineup, I think.
Nice rotation from GVK, gets a little killed.
The one thing that GVK is going with the clop over the storm is, I think his early slash mid-air actions can fat her mega-strong.
Like, the kiting from Dagger against the Kes and Bat I could see, plus the pushback from Slonic Wave against Kes,
I think Queen can do a lot more against Kes than Storm can.
Once Kez enters the fight, maybe there's some little things I've got to value this
Queen.
Over, over, Storm, as we go into the main game.
Still Kez at the top of the chart though, that is a spooky site to see, he is mega-far.
Oh, remote.
Oh, remote.
You have to do some stacking of your own, because Tinker's gonna pick up the pace here,
Kai already done.
Gonna start clearing double camps.
Well, this part is nice.
Carrot titches.
Taking an early off-lane tower.
This is good.
You want to take early towers against Tinker.
You want to get onto his other map, block camps, interfere with him as much as possible,
or look for kills on other heroes, while the Tinker is trying to amass his necessary strength.
So the tower siege begins.
Nice fast snowball punch from FY.
Mommy, joining in on this kind of crazy raptor dance goes out, it's not gonna be enough to kill Save,
and now he's kinda in the middle of all this gunk.
He's gonna be slowing down into some trouble, tries to carry his way back,
but he gets gunked back into rest of the team, and he will die here.
Aw, the extreme gaming once again is, looks similar to game one,
where they're trying to force action, and then way too aggressively.
Just let us support die there, you defended the tower five heroes mid for that room.
It looked like Ommy was like, oh, nothing to say, Translocate, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, completely irrelevant for the early game, good try.
I can understand that teamfight if Jeff and going into you under your towers or under
March of Mission seems to be the case, easy teamfight, easy clean up.
But to try and stretch there when you're rushing to battle theory and you're having
a completely free game, I've probably got threw away some of the momentum.
Now Kyrgyz is going to get another kill, he's not cooking this one.
Yeah, he is.
My campus is still blocked. Never got de-warded.
Feels like XG are ahead, but...
Feels like they could have been a lot more ahead here.
No doubt.
That's what we're making some moves in.
Now you have Static Storm available. 3 points.
No, 2 points in the gloves.
Bean's Gate and 40 Sonic Wave available too, so...
Yes, with decent firepower.
Keep looking for this mid lane.
Roots only?
No, I'm...
What?
The conversation on the panel was, it bleaches not roots.
And I'm trying to think of a root that is not dispelled.
Just like, yeah, the root that cannot be dispelled.
Yeah.
Uhh...
Is Kanto only okay here?
Blocked in by the Ice Shards, I mean...
These...
Kanto only's definitely dead. Kiritich is unable to save him.
Extreme gaming, get a little bit off.
them just holding high grounds I don't think that exists yeah it's like
how is it
undispelable in which case why did they put that in maybe that's for a future
hero hmm there was there was the tree and ulti with the bastard at some point
So maybe it's a artifact of the fact there was one
Or with the talents are oh 25 time on tree used to be undispellable overgrowth
Most broken tower versus
Fyce weeks away from him. It's a shield room
Which clock would have loved to have like daggers done for the tanker though spooky times
He's just really is trying to get in here, buddy. He's just
How we met with the extreme gaming heroes the problem ancients are just so hard to date and contest
That's why they're so strong. They're the best camp on the map and the most difficult
You do too casually and you get punished like this. I told me dodge is the wheel
Oh, there goes translate take a lick away from the tinker back into the ancients. What a play from f y
Wait to turn it up a little kid. He kills himself the road son. I think he I think he blinked
I don't think that was a transit okay, but I think he just didn't take damage because the shield
he blinked midway through the sonic wave, but he blinked into the roach on that bit I guess.
I don't know, I'd have to see that one again. Mid tower is gonna be taken off of it though.
Tinker dies, got another tower, bet boom, back to the triangle again.
It's a good gameplay for them, that's what you want to do. If they get ancient area,
take away the early farm from the Tinker, slow him down, put his items on a much more difficult
face. You just start running at anything in this game, go up to the back, you're gonna be happy.
The last Black Dragon?
Geez, that was like a jump spear. How was that? Oh, he translocated up and then escaped back.
Oh, I think he just ran down because they were chasing the other heroes.
FY, in trouble again.
Escape backs.
There's those saves.
It'll take a little bit of time.
Kierch is gonna waste a lot of his ultimate you're chasing after,
but I don't think it's shooting game you can really punish.
Look how slow X-X-S is.
Well, definitely a good boost of bearing game, that's for sure.
And no doubt, there's a lot of slow in this one.
And they'll get a wisdom shrine.
And yes, push towards that level 12.
Ah, they went back to AFK Andy over here.
I mean he's he's not gonna he joined one fight. He said I'm done with that now. He's just
The lash farming with this battle fairy. He is still mega far to mention. He's not died earlier
Pastry on GPK though with blade mail potentially get aggressive with this queen. She runs into the tinker with blade mail
Maybe you can threaten him a little bit
Steal some more champs and he is not happy about that
Come on, man.
All this effort, that boom is like, they've got more towers, they've done really good
on evasion, and yet they still are behind in that one.
That's that.
The start that all they had with those kills on my hand.
This is a different blinker here.
Come on.
Blinking in.
Real aggressive.
I hope they kill some supports, but hasn't, doesn't have a disable to stop them.
That's gotta be a problem for the tinker as well.
She just guarding.
It's how postman the amount of centuries and wards they have dropped to defend the tinker's camps
It's just patrolling. It's like patrolman FY up here
His feet guard
He smoke but he is underneath the ward. There's the radiant timing for the attack
So, they'd be very confident.
The Triangle of wards is so absurd.
That's what I'm saying. It's just the fund...
unassaultable fortifications here, like,
is set up their castle.
They haven't even touched this top lane at all,
but apparently that is going to change how it did, huh?
Well, I guess the smoke...
This would be about the time the smoke would get to this area
if they were trying to get to him.
He just knows us.
This is a three-time Grand Finals, four-time, third or better finalist.
Me, I even give you more of his resume.
Yeah, keep going.
The first Grand Finals!
What is his most notable win outside of the high placement?
I actually can't think of anything.
I'll look that up for you.
He won some major, right?
I...
Was it Shane Dooh major?
Oh, they won anime.
He won anime.
Anime majors.
That's gotta be the biggest, because that was...
He never won...
Did he win any of the old school majors?
Uh, and he won not the big majors.
He won the, you know, the minor majors.
DL Changsha major. Oh, he beat me. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that one. Yeah, he went epicenter.
That was a big tournament. Sure, my ass is for sure. Epicenter. Yeah, epicenter in 2018. It was a
big event.
He won the first Reodmasters.
Well, back to the action.
Nice trip down memory lane.
Obvious resume.
But he has BKB.
He's going ham.
Doing kes things.
He's gonna blink away on the quads.
So he'll go after save.
Up comes back in.
Hit him with a sonic wave.
Omni's getting low.
Yeah, Raptor Danes goes out and look at that.
He hits Miro a bit, gotta keep your distance though from Tiritage, he's a little dangerous.
Hit some of the parry, cool.
Wipes out Miro and the whip to stop Tiritage, dude, just gotta kite him around here, radiance.
Oh, that final hit actually ends up killing FY.
But still fantastic for Extreme, one for 4 exchange.
And Tinkered face beat, didn't even get the full Tinker fight.
So much of that damage is the catch is just running rampant.
Boom! Trying their best to invade these areas against the Tinker lineup and get something done.
It's just so damn hard. This is the...
This is kind of the setup of modern day Dota and why we don't see a lot of teams
trying to do this because it's so difficult. You have to be ahead off the lanes and they just
didn't win the lanes hard enough to be taking these kind of fights. Like I said, not even the full
Tinker experience yet because he doesn't have an axe or anything to really put laser damage in
and there were no marches down here for most of the fights chasing the Queen King.
It is the tinker Honey the Queen ends up killing him, so super nice chase down from NTS.
It's supposed to be the other way around.
Caz doing Caz things. This is why I just, I feel like I, I don't know, I'm in like a Black
Mirror episode where he was just having amnesia about the chicken.
There's a monster you see but nobody else he wanted to yeah, it's almost like I'm playing a private
I'm not bad because not a pure spite for about putting this hero in
Captain's version and you lose to it like Bandit next game but if you get nerfed before ti then
maybe that's a that's true I was thinking about the end goal you even want to be peeking right now
as a hero or a team. Shout out Team Liquid undefeated in this group stage so far. They are killing.
Alright, spotlight for Xnobla now. Not the best spotlight game. Yeah, it's not doing that much.
Doesn't look too easy here with basically three spellcasts or semi-carries for...
Man, look at that chicken go.
He's climbing that chart and the big concern here for Bat Boom is your queen of pain just
so poor here for keeps K. This was your last pick.
It's supposed to be your big answer to the tinker in some sense.
Went to early fighting out of the blade hill and just has to not pay off.
He's falling behind.
Does get in our king room.
They definitely still scale here going to the ags.
Do some of the things we saw NTS do.
And that gave one.
So, it's not out of it by any means.
I just sort of hoped he was in a better position by now.
Another wisdom shrine in Xtreme Gaming, you're going to be happy with the lack of action.
Beppu have to walk into them as seen from the triple ward setup.
You gotta come stop this tinker.
We're gonna love the difference in this game.
It's a 20% experience difference.
A lot of that is tinker versus queen.
Tinker is level 18 and a half.
That is disgusting.
Queen is 13, almost 14.
That's the ancient different thing.
This hero is just extracting way more experience off the map
from farming some of the lanes that no one else wants
to farm super far out.
Oh, man, what is this positioning?
Fly the human ward in TP spot for the ticker. They still get him in the ice path and static storm sonic wave escape back though
They always have this day's or nothing to say is gonna be fine here
I think is the last one pull back on the cure a text that's just trying to get these heroes out of the way
So I'll make and start going to work enough. These they can pick them apart laser after laser
GP K's trying to run some interference
But looks like likely mirrors to be run down or player. I'm a keeps going
GPK now calls it quits, he said.
I've done what I can, I've put some damage on them, but ultimately...
What player?
I gotta get out of here, you are all gonna get picked off, I'm sorry.
God, you're so disgusting.
He's so tanky, why is he so tanky?
He did get hit by like every ultimate all at once and only went down to half HP.
Yeah, you know why? Because he has an innate 3.3-inch game, which is giving him a base of 42% magic resist around the fight.
Feels good, man.
Add in a 328 to be barrier.
19 Aegis Impact.
And it's done.
He is going to start to ramp up the damage and the presence in the fight.
You got two prompts to solve in this game.
You're perfect. One of them is Kez.
The other is the Tinker, and both are incredibly high DPS.
What happened to the Holy Locky build on the Tinker?
Why isn't that still a thing?
It's garbage, so...
What?
It was good.
Support Tinker?
I guess.
It's like a sweetly different version of the hero.
Yeah, it's sweetly different.
What are you talking about?
Are you gonna get a snowball up here?
No, you are bursted down.
Only got one, now X-Fix-S up next, escape back goes out, try and help him out, the Batrider
is going to die as well.
Oh, got the wheel though, oh that is real pretty.
With the Raptor dance over the top, that's going to do a ton of damage.
Ashley gives Extreme a fighting chance to kill some heroes here.
Bet boom quick on the retreat though, will not lose any of their cores.
Just fight that excellent setup from Exnova.
Got the Bat, got the Bat, got out with all your heroes.
before the tinkeredness of damage, you got glimpsed to face that slowed NTS down, stick
wheel, but unable to capitalize on it.
Yeah, it's ultimately they're still kind of like fighting to survive, not...
They're surviving now, it's getting far with all their heroes.
They can win a fight here into the next item on the Queen, I think they're not in bad shape.
Very close to this act for GPK, and that's going to do a lot more damage in the fight
along with our longevity.
At what point do you make this radiant in all time?
Because he's got Blink Dagger Orc here.
He's got like the tools to go after the tanker.
Definitely at some point.
It's still the issue with the Serial C by his PKB, and you're going to need an Abyssal
at some point as well.
Happy KB is gonna be up before the next fight and last bed boom forced it really soon.
20, almost 21 already.
Thought about doing torment.
sometimes this is just not wild sometimes I wonder if there's some real
wacky builds on tinker that just haven't been explored because we don't see the
hero that much
what like mega tank builds like can you go hard on this hero
like heart sheba's overwhelming like and just
You come so unkillable you win the game by the ball.
Is that a thing?
No.
Okay.
Art.
Tinker.
Just a-
Uh-huh.
Hey man, no ideas are bad.
You never know what it'll lead you on.
That was a bad idea.
Yeah, you know what?
You were a bad idea.
How about that?
What's that for you?
You know what?
You know what?
You know what?
You know what?
You know what?
You know what?
You know what?
You know what?
How's that feel? Not very good, does it?
No.
It doesn't affect me at all.
It doesn't feel very good.
Words hurt, Austin.
Didn't you just call me stupid for talking about a holy locket?
Sometimes, it's better to be nice to your friends.
Well, it's a good thing I don't have one in broadcast with you right now.
Oh.
That's also very hurtful.
I do not appreciate your cadence right now, youngster.
Butterfly is almost done for the kids.
Extreme hat decided they don't need to play defense anymore.
BKB on the tinker.
Also got Whisper of the Tread with Ki-Eye.
So you're gonna get shrunk.
He's a time-low guy.
Stop it!
It's bullying, man!
The hell is that Warp Player lockdown?
The fact that they have Bolt Tinker and Kiz is just so gross.
Is there only one I...
I'd say this is...
I have an okay game state for Rappoon, cause their 5-man is just so strong.
Oh, that'll it looks
Got Lotus
Hit him with macro pyre ice bath, of course tinker's fine. He's got DKB. He's not scared of any of this
I'm telling you, this is the most broke, it's one of the most broken heroes I've seen
forever.
It has like no proteins.
I don't know why.
And every hero gets picked in at 18, so all we're just about where he should be picked.
It just looks so free.
What are you supposed to do?
I still think this is the tankiest hero in Dota right now.
And he's also the anti tank hero.
Yes, he's so good against so many things in this meta.
There are so many heroes in this meta that just want to exist in the fight.
You cannot exist against Trink.
It's not possible.
Well, he does have 100% win rate of the three times he's been picked to Dreamlink.
And party vision! Twice! That's how you know!
That was a lot, yeah.
Another pick-off, and this map's just collapsing from this one.
Heroes are too slow to be able to get these waves out, which means X-gears are continually finding pick-offs.
Tinker can join everything. He is approaching 25.
He's gonna go in. Zero cares?
Yeah, he's got so many stays, I guess behind him, FY.
Thinks he's gonna be fine. He's wrong.
Laser, though. Making short work of a man.
Kiritage had his ultimate pop so early on.
He just pushes forward, tries to do what he can,
but the rest of the time he can't follow him.
They're just gonna die alongside him if they try.
You know first pick up from the tinker was priors in verses me
Sean Parker's current
I'll have to make that sure
The old shrink read his fine injury
who are like, don't it needs to go back to a place
where the carry can 1v5 like Miracle-era Bad Chest.
And then you get a game where a hero can 1v5.
It's completely immoral and disgusting.
How can Valve allow this broken garbage can to 1v5?
So which is it then?
Because let me tell you something.
You can't have it both ways.
All those times in those games that carries 1v5,
I've played in those games.
We all played in those games.
This is what it felt like, from AM, who's completely invincible, some specter who's just hot-killing your time,
PL with two-second doppelganger, like, they were equally untouchable.
It's not way more so than this guy.
And you wanna go back to that?
I don't.
The only one I think is defendable is Invoker.
Because Invoker, as Aura, was badass.
It's badass, that's right.
When you want a game with a Voker, you know, that was bad-ass.
And Mipo kind of.
The least Mipo is the highest skill cap hero in the game.
You know?
Yeah.
Uh, Nullifier's about to be picked up by Kyrgiz. He should be 5 at home for it.
Uh, unfortunately...
You've been trucked by...
You've been more playered by...
Kyrgiz.
Goodbye.
Level 25, 200 AOE laser, you get the tip.
I feel like that was one of those draft tips.
Nice pick.
Hex already done.
In fact, he got Keynote Whisperer too, which is such a huge dog.
So disgust.
Extra cast ring, 10% spell damage.
You been shocked by...
Oh, missed with my BKB guys.
Oh, no, oh, it's gonna be a cool down for 30 whole seconds. Oh
I'll get at the pop this region rune and just walk into their base. Oh, no
Wait, there's a guy out on the map. Let me just clean that one up real quick here
Okay, he's gone
bag of gold and lean down the lane. I
Mean bet legitimately a victim
I know what you're going to do with it, have they done anything wrong?
What can they do against this?
I mean I get it, it's just, they get suppressive, there's nothing you can do.
You can never catch him, you can't get the lanes out.
So you are just forced to position where you can basically only contest XG around objectives
and a full 5 on 5 just smoke in and pray you win the fight.
And you're going to, those fights are hard.
Like there's a Kessin's game too. It's like destroying you in the fights. There's a bad rider
Then it becomes a tinker plus everybody
All right, no fire put together
Big axe bags on underlord you need next what?
Axe that is just your life
Out there only just needs to find a way to get there
Axe that explore this tinker bring him down
You've got you got a shot
Oh no, Cut-Katomi's having a hard time last dating because he's got the greedy enchantment.
He could sell for it here.
Might be worth it if there's a base push.
Oh, Kandit's magic wand.
Sell your dust.
Danger. Danger. Danger over Robinson. You've gone out on the map. Danger. Danger. Why did
you go out on the map?
They're supposed to stay inside the spaceship for Robinson. That's where it's staying.
Danger. Why did you not stay in base?
I was trying to get like laser eight times.
I walked that one off though. He did. He did. He got blinked off. He wasn't chained Warplayer this time.
True. Nothing to say he was having too much fun.
Hey! He's got it! He's sold everything he has!
They've got one shot! What opportunity!
This is everything you ever wanted to kill the Tinker!
You have the technology.
Oh, they're stacked, too!
We have the technology.
They've got the Kez and the Tinker both in Static Storm AoE.
The Tinker disappears.
He just comes back in.
Use his hubris against him.
Look at him, he's just sitting so far forward.
Oh, laser himself.
He got the Kez laser
He's respawned
All right now that we have the damage no fire goes out on the Kez, but he is already
Rockling clawed away back to punish Miro. They would have keep that banner alive for some reason now the static storm
They got it or they got the Kez can't they kill him sonic wave kill the beast
Oh, no, he's been put inside a snowball. He's rolling in after GP K
He blinks back to back line. Nothing's day is now untouched. They're trying to kill the cast. They do manage to get him
But guess what he had an extra life now nothing to say on a quarter HP marches forward work player work player laser laser
Warped player GG is called
And kicker adds nothing to say you did it the dirtiest way possible
It works every time 90% of time it works a hundred percent of the time that's in Kirtota everybody's got a smile on his face
look at that extreme game and they are happy with that last draft. Got em. They got it.
They don't play a lot of cheese. Chinese games historically have not played a lot of cheese,
but the sinker is the one you have to think about. Sometimes at Huskar. That's just the
draft only. Like, there's nothing you can do in this game, especially. The only way you win this
game is that you just completely steamrollin' in those spikes around dire alt posts when
you're invading nations. That's your one moment in this game to make something happen with the
the glimpses and the pit in and running people down with dagger or you just
completely run lanes over. You just haven't seen a lot of things be able to run
lanes over in this meta. It's just not something that really happens because
Vyze are generally so strong that your state lane almost always wins, mids are
mostly washes, like it's very hard to just lane victory your way to a GG, which
means you got to fight an invade. How do you fight an invade against this line? In that
ancient area in most games against this line of bat rider plus wheel marches is just disgusting
tinker dota ladies and gentlemen y'all wanted it y'all got it now y'all gotta live with it
it's now four no in dream league and i anticipate we're gonna see a little bit more of it as time
goes on at nine one and nine for nothing to say x no but didn't die in this game because all he had
had to do was play the backline and if it died once.
If this ate back everyone's no off.
Huh? You did die once.
It says 4-0-6-0.
Oh, I still did.
Yes. Oh, I thought you were talking about that.
Well, that was an absolutely disgusting tinker pet.
When it's in the hands of nothing to say,
that's pretty much all is what you're going to get
as Extreme Gaming get the victory
into this game on number three.
and the other hero that I'm going to shine a light on is a badden because I got some statistics on
Kiritiges of badden specifically Quinn take a guess at how many times they've picked this hero
Six or seven okay, we're close. It's five
Insane I guess how many times they've won with this hero it has a zero for someone right you're correct
Kiritiges of badden is currently 0 and 5 that boom
lean on this Piro quite a bit and it seems to be an in-case of emergency
break it out. They did it two times in this series and I'm not all gonna point
it at him obviously. It's a team loss effort. What is a winning as a team win
effort? It's not just NTS single-handedly winning the game, it could be of course not.
Cap? Cap? Sorry, had a cough. Oh okay. Yeah, you can't have an in-case of
emergency break glass hero yeah when this is the equivalent to in case of
emergency break glass there's a fire oh my god break the glass and inside the
glass is more fire the Molotov just literally throw Molotov on fire like
stop picking this hero yeah and I mean the tinker giveaways just like what can
you do I mean you know it's coming everybody's like oh take it off they
take it off if I know it you know it they know they know and they thought he
got the answer to that, they did not. It happens.
Which I guess the answer had to come in the form of the Queen of Thames because they did
not have much time to react to this Tinker and it was like, okay, GPK, figure it out.
Yeah, I mean, it's one of those cases where your draft is already lost by the time you
get to last pick. That's what happens whenever you pick Crap that's not good with each other,
right? You pick two supports first and you follow it up with two fat guys who have very
similar counters. Everything is too much overlap, it's all countered by the same things.
If it wasn't Tinker, there would have been another counter pick. It's some long range
type or damage dealer because they have no catch right they have no way to get
on any one of these heroes that shoots from very far away so Tinker was the
hero of choice but I think there were a few others they also could have picked
it would have done the job maybe not as well but they would have still got the
job though yeah it happens and Fanny what did you spot in this game number three
that you'd like to show us all right so I know a lot of you guys at home are big
tinker haters but I feel like it's mostly because you can't relate to the
hero or understand the feeling of playing the hero so I want to show you guys
some of the highlights in this game and I want you guys to really imagine that you
So in this first scenario, Bethlen thinks he's in a snowball.
Hehehe XD, I'm not.
He's closing the nines himself to Roche.
Beautiful play by MTS.
And now just look at the damage.
Look at all the things you get to do.
You get to V-arm, Rutom. This is the second time.
Rutom again, third time.
Laser him for the last hit.
Wonderful.
Once more.
Just imagine you're this Tinker.
You feel so strong. Nothing can stop you.
You're guling you, throwing ice bath on you.
You're not taking any damage.
out of BKV, because you have infinite gold, and you just get to keep lasering people.
And it feels so good. I promise you guys, you need to try this at home. Like, don't
hate Tinker players, become one yourselves, because it's the best feeling in the world
to just do this. Look at that jacquero, he died in two spells.
And you're saying this is supposed to make people feel good about Tinker?
Oh yeah! This makes me feel good! And I feel like, okay, before I play Tinker myself, I
That was definitely a Tinkerator. I was all for like the removed Tinker from the game category and I started playing it myself and I'm like, you know what, this hero feels great to play.
I have infinite CS, infinite damage.
Aiden is just pedaling Black Tar Heroin right now.
I'm not! It's good for you!
First hit 3.
Bro, it's so good for you.
This hero isn't even viable as a support anymore.
Just look at how fun this is!
When you started playing it, were you playing it as a core like in pubs or did you?
No, I started playing it as a support.
And now you can't even do that anymore. Yeah, but now you just play Quarantan. It's just way better
Where's our way better? That's true. Yeah, of course are just way better
But I feel like the tinker hate needs to stop Quinn. Do you play tinker either? No, I'm very bad at that era honorable
No, oh, do not say honor don't point to this man is honorable. He's most played highest winning
Winner-a-hero is monkey king. That's a lot of hero. I'm literally plays. That's all spirits
What do you mean? I was blind picking it for like, 60% of those games.
Yeah, it's 60% of the games when only the viable heroes are countered by monkey kings.
Wrong.
Facked.
Hosskar? Monkey King?
Hosskar is an honorable hero before the new... I didn't play it with the new era.
Okay, look into the camera and say that.
Hosskar is an honorable hero.
And I felt no shame saying that.
Unbelievable.
Shameless. Truly shameless.
Alright, I don't want to hear from Cors anymore, then.
I want to hear from support, I want to hear from the support from Xtreme Gaming, because I've got XNova on the line.
XNova, congratulations on the three games series. I want to talk to you about the support hero pool.
Because I feel like you're not getting a chance to have very much fun in these games. You're just playing Warlock, you're playing Jikiro all the time.
How does the support pool feel for you in this meta?
I think all the teams are just prioritizing lane-dominant support, that's why the hero pool variety is quite small, and I'm not having fun of it, I'm hoping for more addition of heroes.
Okay, that's what I wanted to confirm, because I've known your support play for a long time.
You're a lot more creative than these Jekyllos and Warlocks let you get away with.
So if you could bring one hero into the meta, and you don't need to spoil anything that you've been scrimming in or anything like that, who would you wish you could play more?
I don't know, maybe Techies?
Oh.
Yeah, Techies is always a fun hero.
Not the answer I wanted, X never would've shamed.
Alright, let me ask you about other healers and lane dominators that you've been playing.
I want to ask you about Phoenix.
We've been seeing a lot of teams pick up Phoenix,
and many of them are letting it be on position 4.
How do you feel about Phoenix as a 4 versus a 5?
I think Phoenix laning is not that strong,
but it overall gives a lot of team fights to the team,
which in competition games, it's much needed to help you secure a stable lineup, but comparing, I think,
it's more suitable for project 5 than 4, as possible mostly plays like initiator series,
it's much more better for the team, that's why I think.
Gotcha, makes sense to me. I've also got Insania standing by for a question as well.
Hey Exmova, so we just had a discussion about Tinker and Haskar and Monkey King
and I was kind of curious to hear your opinion on one, do you think Tinker is
like a cheesy pick or do you think it's an honest hero and do you think Haskar is
a cheesy pick or an honest hero and Monkey King cheesy or not cheesy hero?
For nothing to say think it's it's not a cheesy pick. It's it's just a
Popular here for him. Yeah, yeah, everyone knows it and yeah, Husky and Husky and monkey King players are
Disgusting yes, let's go
Perfect answer. Okay. Actually, you know what I'll break protocol Quinn. Would you like to ask a rebuttal question to X Nova?
Okay, you said you said tinker is not but cheesy for NTS because it's signature
What about like for a Malrin or a Mar is Huskar not cheesy for them because think or me what is it?
Huskar is it cheesy for them?
I think Huskar this hero is just broken
It's much more harder to deal with that's why yeah, okay, okay fair enough
All right, thanks for helping us break the ties like snow congratulations on winning this series
and looking forward to some more extreme gaming as Dream League continues.
Thank you.
Catch you later.
My man, my man.
I knew I could trust him to give the correct answer.
I knew he wouldn't bullshit.
Dude, I can't believe you're using the player interviews to win arguments.
I'm not!
I asked him a genuine question, and he gave me a serious answer.
For the record, we both have the same TI record.
Okay, we both have two seconds.
So, in my opinion, he doesn't overrule me.
If you would ask the TI winner, then then then we'd have something all right call up Nutter right now
I'm gonna call up Nisha right now. We have a lot of Mar. Yeah, call up Nutter right now
Calling them up. I'm calling up Nisha and I'm calling up no one because that's gonna be the mid lane matchup for the next series
Stick around everyone and we'll be back with liquid first party vision
Turn it up tonight, this is turning up tonight We be high tonight, yeah, we be high tonight
Hi, nice to meet you, are you ready for the back-out sequel?
One of each is tough, but kinda a little rough This is not a test, it's a re-through
Turn it up some, some bassline
Clickin' with the beat and have a drum
Right girl, good to share with the disco string
Run, oh, oh, yo, we're about to have too much fun
Like, turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
Be, be hyped tonight, yeah, we be hyped tonight
Turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
Be, be hyped tonight, yeah, we be hyped tonight
Like, hi, nice to see you
When the song comes up, yeah, I feel you
We've been dancing all night, dropping that vibe
Tick tock into the sequel
So, turn it up some some
Brace like chicken with the beat and the drop
Like I did in jail with the disco stream
Like oh, yo, we've got to have too much fun
Let's buscades on the level
No BMI team, we're incredible
Let's buscades on the level
Yo, BMI team, you're special
Let's go, let's go, let's start show
Tonight, tonight, tonight, tonight
Ah, it's been nice tonight, girl
Turn it up, who's bad, we bad, who's bad, you mad?
Who's bad?
Turn it up, who's bad, we bad, who's bad, you mad?
You mad?
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, yeah, we be high tonight
Who's bad, we bad? Who's bad, we bad?
Who's bad, we bad? Who's bad, we bad?
Hear the sound, relax tonight
I want to be where the party's jumpin'
We'll take our time to know you well
No need to ask the night as I work
So friend, time to leave your stress behind
Like a wake-up woke-up thing
I want to see you joy some more
Ain't no words that can describe the feeling that comes over me
Cause I know it's time to dance
Dance, all you gotta do tonight is dance tonight
Won't you get into the groove?
It's a perfect kind of dance
Can they tell you some truth?
So come with me
You wanna leave those cares behind
And let this party go
Dance, dance, dance tonight, dance tonight
Don't wake up tonight, tonight we fall out
Tonight, tonight is love
Dance, dance, dance tonight, dance tonight, you and I
Tonight tonight we fall in love, tonight tonight is all
Dance, dance, dance tonight, you don't ever stop now
Tonight tonight we fall in love, and you don't ever stop now
So baby tonight won't you get it?
Dream League season 28 is brought to you by DHL and Chex.
Welcome back friends to our second series of the day. It's Team Liquid taking on ParryVision,
which if you're just looking at the standings, maybe you might be writing this off as like,
ah, you know, I don't really need to worry about this. This is a foregone conclusion.
I am inclined to disagree, and I've got some hard evidence to back it up in the form of
Quinn.
That's right. Today I'll be talking about one of our favorite players in the world, and
I know one of the A and C players specifically, and that is Nisha.
The boy is a beast, he's been a beast for a long time, but it took him a long time to get there.
On lots of small Polish teams, slowly building up over time.
And he was, you know, lauded as a really good player in those areas as well.
He heard whisperings, prophecies even, some might say, of what he might become eventually.
And, you know, someone who was, you know, sort of telling those prophecies,
one of them might have been young William Lee, who was sort of saying what he had the potential
to become as we can get the next slide. And we have here we have William Lee saying you'll be the
reason the voice in the desert people talking of at least one of the naive saying he will come
William save us William. No it's Wilgar. Yes it's Wilgar. It's William Stillgar.
Yeah Wilgar. We heard the prophecies were coming they were they were whispering through the land
we go to the next slide and we had with some well suddenly the prophecies started to come
Come true, people started to believe as six TI attendances,
a TI ring, and eight Tier 1 event wins.
Oh my goodness, people.
It was unbelievable.
As we go to the next slide, he started to show us
what he's truly made of.
He was one of the first people to ride Shia Lude.
One of the first to ride Shia Lude in a long, long time.
As soon as he entered the Fremant Fold,
on the teams like Secretence, he started to become,
oh my goodness, this guy, he might be the one,
he might be the chosen one.
We go to the next slide, look at his games last night.
He became fully fledged as he interacted with the Fremen more and more and more.
He became the man we all know he can be.
And who is that?
That is Nishanokai!
Nishanokai!
Oh my goodness, the voice from the outer world!
Come to save us from the infodels!
The priest is the voice!
Oh my goodness, Nishanokai!
And now I'm incredibly excited to watch him play today.
To save us from the ride of Shah-Halud into battle.
Shah-La-Khruj.
That's right, sky liquid, as Pequod takes on the television haters.
The spice must flow, and thank you, Quinn, for giving the spice out.
Very good.
I was told there was hard data, which you did actually pepper in quite a bit.
There was some data there?
There was some data.
You had the stats against Aurora, which is, I would have thought,
hypothetically, liquid's toughest test thus far in this group stage 2.
And yet, he hopped on that stand where I'm like, no problem.
He's been training for his entire life.
Rose been in the mines grinding
Thifting through his fingers. You shall know your ways as if born to them
What's the box called? I forgot what the box is called that he puts his hand in it like just uh, oh, this is just that the test
The gum jabar is the needle after needle. She holds the neck the gum jabar is a needle that kills only animals
He must prove himself human and he does that by not gnawing off his own arm to escape the box
but by tolerating the pain of playing with Insanity at such a long period of time,
he kept his hand in that box.
And he's reached the promise line on the other side.
Yes.
You should be proud, man.
You've hardened that, man.
He said playing with me was like a punishment.
Yeah.
But reference, that punishment is like in the universe,
is like literally the most inconceivable pain.
Yeah.
It's like-
Like the flesh on your hand is crisping and dropping off,
and you just have to keep your hand in that box until
you're proven to be the quiz outsider.
I mean, you could be the quiz outsider.
I'm just telling you about doing the lore, and you should not get in.
I feel like you're reading between the lines a little too much here.
You just looped the violin music every time Aidan's on screen, you're looking for sympathy.
He just bends his lip even just a little isn't he?
You're here on backstage, he's a big meanie.
He quivers, quivers in pain.
Watch a single tear drop fall down from my face.
Wait, if he cries then we have to drink it, because it's the lore of the desert.
You don't waste water like that.
You need your head in your suit.
Water comes in.
The still suit?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Part of the reason why we may be not taking this series all too seriously, I don't know
if we have it prepared, but we can take a look at the standings for where we are in
group stage two because liquid are crushing things and fire fishing are not doing too
hot.
They have been crushed.
They have been crushed.
They have won one singular game throughout the entirety of a group stage two.
They are one in eight in terms of game score.
on the other hand have only dropped a single game this entire group stage two and that was against
Aurora yesterday so uh not exactly an even matchup in terms of these scores Aiden? I feel like it's
like you know the hydraulic press videos yes I feel you know how it's gonna end the only curious
thing is like you want to see the crushing process right to see what that's gonna look like I want
to see like the Play-Doh scored out the sides or something like that that's a little bit of how I
I feel about this series because party obviously not in top shape.
No, I think if they were in top shape, this would be a very exciting series and obviously like it's two teams of very high caliber when they're both peaking.
Agreed. But I think right now we have liquid like peak form versus party like worst form ever seen.
This actually may legitimately be the worst form of party version, which they still made it to top eight of the tournament because this is group stage two.
We had 15 teams originally, so they made it to the second stage, but once we have done the separation,
this may be the worst I've ever seen Parry perform.
Yeah, I think it's important you stay top 8, and not because they are going to be 8.
Well, we have not had the mouse versus Parry vision yet.
No, that's quite right. I'm hyped for that one.
I'm hyped for that one.
But until then, yeah, I mean, sometimes it's just a rough spot.
They made a roster change. Personally, I think the roster change was ill-advised and has seriously
damaged the structure of that team. I am curious if they can even recover from it, if I'm being
totally honest. I think all their players are very skilled, but I don't know if with this new
iteration of people, it's like hard to overstate how much switching one person can change about
a team, especially if they're sort of fundamental to the team. Sounds like you have experience with
this. You can look at us. Without Anton, you can look, I think, at Heroic, without Schofield.
If you look at this team without DM, I think if there's a lot to be seen from a Mothu, like Liquid without Mothu back in the day,
there's a lot of iterations of this where people kick a player that is sort of dunked on a little bit when they're on the team.
And as soon as they're off-team, everyone's like, yo, he was clearly very important to your team.
And I think this is the case of that.
And so, Paravision, I think they've honestly got a lot to prove because they kicked this guy and now you're sucking it up like, no bueno.
Yeah, we're looking at the results of Paravision hack because I was looking at this this morning and thinking
What did go wrong because they were second in the group there 11 and 3 in the group stage a they drew with yandex who are out
They beat og who are out and that's 2-0. Yeah
That boom they beat and that boom have been about pretty shaky as well. We just saw them lose. So that's fair enough
They lost
Sorry, they drew with liquid 1-1. Okay, they beat
pain gaming 2-0 they finished bottom of the group they beat Yakult Bros 2-0 who
also finished bottom the group on 3-11 and they drew with Aurora so if you look
at their results in terms of like how well they did sing a trunk you know what
I mean they weren't able to beat the better teams they beat the teams
everybody else beat but then the reason they find themselves bottom this group
is because really they're better than those guys but they're not as good as
these guys you know the masses there so I think the surprise that Paravish not
doing as well the writing was on the wall perhaps group stage one can I
disagree with tubs ability no statistics I hope you very impressed since you guys
bully me I will bully back go on then you said they won one Aurora and they won
one team liquid those are the two best teams in the tournament but they didn't
beat them but they took games off of them that's more than anybody else did it was a
dangerous man bro that's more than anybody else did liquid didn't finish top
of the group in group stage a did they were they right now it's over the group
Yeah, they're about to be five and zero now as best of three. Yeah, that's when the these better teams win
That's my point. I just mean like you're saying the writing was on the wall
They were clearly taking games off of top teams taking one something nobody else was it who else took games off of Aurora and liquid
There's seven other teams in this group. That's not true
Only liquid is taking games off of Aurora and only Aurora is taking games off of liquid. Here's another
Here's another panel node you specifically craft statistics to match the narrative. Yeah, but he's he messed it up
No, but you can do it both ways. And so, if Tarii and Vushin were doing well, we can say all of them, and the right wing was on the wall.
They were able to take games off of some of the best teams on this group.
And then the other side is like...
But that sounds like you're lying to the viewers. The good people at home!
I would never do that.
The good people at home.
Sorry, I mean, we never lie.
I will always stand up for the people at home, okay? They are the reason why we are here.
They are the reason why we have jobs.
It's not.
It's not.
You guys are lying to the people at home.
Bring back the sad music.
Grayscan him.
I just agree with this.
I will fight for the people at home.
No.
Drop the music.
Wrong.
Wrong.
There's nothing sad about me standing up for the people at home.
It's a lie.
Wrong music.
That was when Aiden...
Put the camera on 10 and play the sad music.
He lied to the people at home.
I'm not sad.
I didn't lie.
I stand by my point.
Put some music.
Put some happy music on Ted.
Because he's saying the truth right now.
That's right.
That's cap.
Mayor cap.
Oh, cap is the one talking back there.
Yeah.
Cap is also wrong about many things.
You know who cap is.
You know who cap is.
You hang out with him all day.
Cap is also wrong about many things.
Saying stuff about tinker roots.
Not like, it dispels before it procs to jump.
Of course you get out of roots.
All roots are dispelable.
That is true, yes.
But we're talking about binds and leashes.
He was talking about roots.
He was talking about Root.
I will back Aiden on this one.
He's just wrong.
So what makes me laugh is Aiden is quite new to the talent scene, and he is extremely
unhappy with the way it's run.
He sees the holes everywhere, and he is brave enough to step in and say, you guys are a
fucking disaster, you're lying all over the place, you're wrong, wrong, wrong, cats lying,
class is nobody's talking about, we all know this!
He's just keeping his secret, and you have to, if you want to be in the club, break down
the establishment.
I am willing for this to be my last
Going out fighting for the people at home watching the stream they deserve the best they can get
You guys think he's the friend of great way to wish if you could see what he said off stage about the people
Show the cameras from the green room. Oh, yeah, we took production play the clip
I think he got to them
He destroyed yeah, he got to them to sort of maintain kayfabe here. We're all friends
We're all experts on Dota and we're all here to entertain the people whether or not it's truth or
Fiction is irrelevant if they're enjoying the show that's what matters
He does not agree with you
Least emphatic nod of approval for payment on that one. I think that was it just move on go ahead and list the bands
tsunami
So bro put that on a t-shirt
All right, you're so smart. What's the first pic for I really like to make this draft so far
What's it gonna be?
Blitz, Blitz don't have really got it cooking up right now.
It's obviously Trion Protector.
Yeah, obviously.
If you look at the heroes that have been banned out, Trion Protector is not on that list.
They were deciding to bring Trion and Largo.
And Trion has been a 100% contestant hero.
And I think William Lee probably said, we will 100% win this game with our Largo.
But let's play Trion because we're not gonna get that many chances to practice it throughout
this event.
So in case we get it further down the line, we need to be a bit warmed up with it.
And William least at all of these things. I promise you I think you may have just lied to the people it and nope because
Triumph protector has been contested in a hundred and fifty two out of a hundred and fifty three matches
That's right. I think this is the this is the truth. This guy's not the truth. What did you say? He's out here speaking
Out of a hundred and fifty three games. Yes only two teams were stupid enough not to pick one team
It was a hundred and fifty two out of a hundred fifty three and you that means two teams didn't pick it
So don't get it would have to be to not it would have to be two teams. Why are you lying to the
Me and Ted next to each other put you two in the Liars
Okay, for sure Ted kid you cannot trust he's the original reason why I had to stand up for the people
He was lying to the people of the city. It's not the only way
Red is favorite man is the person you control that's right or me who has not lied to you guys yet
You are fallible yet. You can't just stomp over statistics and say they they're a lie
They're not they're not a lie. They're right there my mouth feature
Always said there's like three types of lies in this world. There's lies white lies and statistics. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's a quote
So yeah, trans versus Largo interesting choice they're both green they're both me
That's the kind of insight that we are used to.
I like the color. You know, salary used to do this crap all the time.
Heroes with feathers or wings or the green or the blue or red.
It's like, oh, we need to keep picking the red heroes. We have two red heroes already.
We have two reds and then a blue and then another red.
Two reds, two reds, one blue, one red. That's not good.
It was always something.
Anyway, I think I actually like the gift tree. I think it's interesting.
Whenever there's a hero that is clearly good,
good, but maybe it's slightly over banned that you call people's bluff a little bit on it and you leave it and say
Can you actually play this here? It was here actually good
If you prep for it the night before you can also have like what you think is pretty good counters
And they might not understand the arrow fully because it's just sort of you become accustomed to each span at every game
And so I think this is actually especially in a matchup where you're clearly the underdogs
I think coming in and mixing things up a little bit not running into liquids preps
I think it's a good idea and I like it so far, Paravision.
I'm trying to look at their Blast Run, Liquid's Blast Run,
and they actually did not get their hands on Trian at a single time,
I'm assuming because it was banned out, so this is actually the first time
throughout all of Dream League and Blast that Liquid are actually going to be playing Trian.
They sort of brought out the Trian into the meta as like, this is the guy.
Did everyone just figure it out at about the same time?
I think it was from pubs, right? It was just very successful here on pubs,
And that's what kind of made everything to zero Zimba and then it just kind of reached perma band status very very quickly
But I would like to say I really agree with Quinn's point. I think like
When we talk about like, you know, Beth Moon did the two sub openers. We don't like it
Yeah, this is a sign of confidence. We're giving away the most contested hero of the tournament
Here you go best team in the tournament
Arguably best hero in the tournament have it. We're gonna show you how to beat it
That is to me good signs of confidence and I think if you're a party, you put yourself in a position of like
you know if you lose the game you can just be like yeah, Trist is broken, okay
You know from that standpoint I believe they're in like a strong mental position here
So then even though it's a support hero
Would you mind if Liquid picked another support hero now because it's still two supports at the beginning or Trist is just so good that it's the problem
Well, it's different when you're on first pick right because on first pick you pick your hero
And then you see two heroes and then you pick twice sure no matter what you're picking us up in the core here
Or not I'm not gonna say no matter what but 99% of the time. It's the support in the core here
Mm-hmm. Do you recognize this song any of you young people?
Doesn't ring a bell eat it up a little bit
Feel like I should be meeting your minds about telling the band to speed it up
So you can see the flip
Shaka Khan ain't nobody. Oh
What a pole great. Oh, they got a tree and a bat
They're getting a lot of good heroes live in trees quite often. They hang upside down in them
Did you know that you also get frogs living in trees?
Shamans might use frogs or bats to make potions.
Make trees?
No, to make potions.
Wow.
This is a very, and rocks, of course, are part of the very living earth in which we all reside.
So this is a very nature-based, very natural, earthy draft so far I support it.
This is the David Attenborough draft so far.
Sounds like Gwyneth Paltrog and it's something some snakes do.
It's a goop.
When she got hit by that skier, that was my favorite trial thing ever.
You got hit by that skier?
Yeah, and he sued her and she sued him and they ended up in court.
Watch the highlights, it is fucking gold.
Because they both put together a 3D recreation of what happened.
Worst graphics ever.
These two guys, right, bugs, they live in the jungle.
Disruptors, the only guy that doesn't fit.
Because electricity is unnatural.
He's got a prehistoric animal that he rides around on.
I'm just dead.
Tiny's an interesting pick for Team Liquid because they actually do not flex it to Nisha
that often.
So far it's only been Mikkei and Boxy playing it.
So...
Did you see what just happened?
I saw the cameras and I literally saw Boxy say, we can flex it and Nisha said, it's dog
shit.
Really?
Yeah, he did.
I don't think he wants to play it mid.
That is funny.
Boxy is talking.
He's murmuring something.
This is also a horrendous mid-tiny game.
Oh my god.
Nisha...
I told you they were literally boxing literally said we can flex it and he said it's auction
Oh, that's funny. It still flexed between one and four though
Is Mick played it?
The puck?
No, the tiny. In this tournament. In this tournament Mick had played it against Payne and he'd do something.
We could have played carry CM against Payne.
It may have been a Parker fan. Let me verify if it wasn't.
We see phase 3 play back core, so could you put not like tiny 4 with bat and have like 3-5 and pick a carry?
We also saw bat 1, make a play with bat carry.
Oh did he read?
Oh shit.
My carry is playable.
To be honest, Voxy also plays fuck 4.
Like, no joke, yeah, this is something he genuinely plays.
You did tell me there were moments during Team Liquid in games that are pretty confidently
in your favor that you'd be like let's play Arc Warden and see what happens.
I mean we had, whenever we would be done with groups and it was like guaranteed we're through
and you don't want to give away any like draft intel, yeah.
Sometimes we would try to draft either you draft open, so you get to play against like
let's say we thought Nagasir and Ozymba, we would try to get Nagasir in a way and get
a play game against it, yeah exactly, or like if there's a hero in particular that we would
want to play, we would try to get that to come through the draft, which I assume Trient
is that? Because I do think if I'm honest, they would probably rather play Bargain than
Triant. I think they're more confident than they're longer than they're Triant. But it
remains to be seen. I actually not seen them play Triant and I don't really think of either
Tofu or Boxy as like Triant mains. I don't know if you've seen them play Tofu Triant.
No, it's not a Triant main by any means. He can play it but like it's not his favorite
hero or something.
Right.
That was Celery's thing. Now you need to protect this puck so they ban out a Void Spirit and
And a Slardor and Parvizion are expecting a carry to come out last as they ban out Kez and Clinkz.
But again, this tiny or this bat could be flexed.
Yo, you could go carry tree.
Yo, that sounds hype.
You can't anymore, they removed the facet.
Really?
Yeah, he doesn't have any facet.
Primeval power or whatever.
Primeval power.
Ahhhh.
They buffed that facet so much, they really wanted it to work.
And I also really wanted it to work.
I even tripled in train with Armlet.
Oh man.
It wasn't it.
The west one's bad, holy cow.
It's not bad, it's amazing.
I think me and Collapsx won the game together when I was trained with Armlet.
Who collapsed?
Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
It was that's what was needed for me to win the game.
You're the best player of all time.
I'm the best player of all time.
Two times T.O. Winner, Collapsx on my team.
Probably playing prime.
You guys think he's the goat?
He's up there.
He's my goat, yeah.
I love Collapsx, what an absolute legend.
He doesn't look like anime, but it's an even further away information.
Nature's Prophet, that is a Mickey classic in the first appearance of this tournament.
Also, I don't know if you guys have noticed this, but I've noticed this ever since I started watching Liquid,
but William always tries to put on such a confident face on the cameras.
Yes, he does. I'd buy it.
When he's walking around here, he's pretending to be confident. I know he's not.
That's not the case?
No, no, no. It's all a facade.
I'm learning so much about it.
I didn't notice that when I'm sitting there, I know what he feels like, I know what he sounds like.
Maybe profit
He walks around like this big Chad, you know
He does in the big high fives. Yeah, I thought that was just him in drafts, but yeah, that's funny
Obviously, I'm joking. If somebody at home did not
Devious hateful fiends
Spreads the lies
I will never lie to the people no one who do you want mid against this puck Quinn? Who would you want mid against this puck?
I mean he can look at an ember. Would you play storm in this mixup?
Probably not. Generally puck is considered pretty good against storm because the leash stops the lightning so for most of the game
It's pretty sad. I would say ember is decent bet
You need something kind of mobile and childlike because you've got two squishy supports
And there's gonna be a lot of fighting this game from liquid nature's profit.
What about primal?
Primal...
It could work, but I don't think no one is good enough at primal.
Yeah, but you called it
It's a it's a good pick
I do think this is interest profit from liquid is very very scary and I like the theme of it very like a lot against
Largo because you want something fast
We've been saying a whole bunch of play fasting in Flargo and you want a bunch of damage
They just profit does both of those things because you can gank this weaver and gank the supports like a million billion times and speed up
The game or Largo AFK farm, so I think it's very cool
And I mean saying liquids gonna win is like very cliche and kind of cringe, but like I do think it's true
But I don't think Pai's draft is that bad.
I feel like on the scale of what I've seen from their drafting, to me at least, even
though they've given away some of arguably the best heroes of the tournament, the matchups
look pretty good.
Like Weaver Disruptor, both good against Bat.
You have decent answers to like Ember and Tupac, it's okay.
Jura also doesn't necessarily get like giga crushed matchup-wise, they might get mega
crushed skill-wise.
But matchup-wise, it kind of looks pretty decent to me.
Why has Nature's Prophet fallen out of favor so much?
Because this has been a classic for Liquid for years and years.
We don't see it that often these days.
You might have to ask them in the interview.
I actually don't know.
I'm not honest with you either, genuinely.
I mean, they killed the big tree in it, and then they killed the healing fastest.
Those are the two reason people picking it, the healing fastest is kind of worthless now.
And the tree in one died a long time ago.
You get the money back.
They made it in the eighth week or also at some point.
They kept the cap and they're showing it over.
Yeah, it's just like everything overall has gone worse, but specifically why it's fully
filled up.
Well, sure.
But he's like, he's pickable.
He's just not busted like he was before, right?
Probably.
If you make it, it's pickable.
We're going to find out how pickable let's get into game number one with Cap and SCG.
That's gonna be an interesting one. I thought liquid party vision, it was just gonna be liquid walking over party vision, but we got some interesting pickups.
Nature's Prophet, which the panel's already talked about, how that hero has definitely gone down the list quite a bit.
Yeah, apparently, uh, it's a cast blanket with downblows too.
Why's that, Avery?
I don't know, why don't you tell the audience, Ted?
Well...
Or should yourself up here?
I saw that last season that I wasn't here, Slacks got to cast a game.
That's true and I thought that well why the hell shouldn't I get to cast the game with you both as the superior
As the older superior gentleman. Yes
Why don't we start there Ted? Why are you the superior?
I'm English
That's a very good point
Back to you all. He's from Colorado
What do you guys call that?
I know, I know.
Well done, now.
A place called Boulder.
They got a rock and they named a town after it.
Well done.
It was a pretty dumb name.
Wait a minute.
So you're gonna start this cast as an Englishman, making fun of places that named their city
after what is around.
Uh-huh.
Says the man from Bournemouth.
The mouth of the river Bournemouth.
Yeah.
Very original.
Very, you just can't argue with that man.
What is that compared to Boulder?
Boulder is the...
I got two boulders for use.
Okay, his gas is already going off the rails.
I thought it would take longer.
He's died.
He just lagged.
Hey, Ted signed up for this.
He's the one who came up here and said, I just gotta get on this.
Oh, the tree protector got pulled away from the trees and that'll be first blood from
Triple S.
Who's gonna win this year instead?
Let's get a prediction.
A real prediction.
Not like the panel bullshit that you guys talk about all the time.
Right.
Who's gonna be last kill?
Who's gonna win this? Why is it Farry?
I said, look, I know you said Farry, and you made a very good point to me this morning that did actually make me a little worried.
Yes.
You said that any time there's a team that's like, oh, they're defeated, oh, they're so good.
They will always lose to a team that has lost every series.
And I thought, you know what, I've actually seen that happen quite a lot.
It always happens.
I just think Farry will win this.
Yeah, he might have a point, but I personally think Liquid might.
They lost.
They came real close. They came always so close to killing Mickey. Maybe they still can.
Nine classes trying for it. They get beaten in by the Fairfire Zone.
Nobody's being guided around.
Hey, God, it started off so well. They got first blood. They killed the tree protector.
They were going to kill their nature's prophet.
Wait, Mickey lets the tree and pick up the gold bags.
That's good of him.
But they have tree trees there.
That's true.
He's the nature. He's the prophet of the tree.
Indeed. I would say this is a very natural draft. You have a sort of David Attenborough draft is what I called it. Very English draft. Indeed. Frogs, toads, trees, rocks, bats.
That's everything I know in England. No beer though. We needed a brewman. We needed a brewmaster.
What?
Is there an English town coming after a beer?
There'll be a name after English towns.
But is there one the other way around?
I don't believe so.
The town was invented late enough in history to be named after a beer.
The Coors Life.
Not England.
Well, I'll tell you, there's a Coors Life Texas, brother.
I'll tell you that much.
still chasing after this damn nature's profit but they just can't seem to get
it. Ted how's your play-by-play? I haven't done it in a very long time. Yeah it was
one of those like TI group stages. TI4 when we did the new B stream we did
some play-by-play there. Yeah you and Shane were casting together right? I think
maybe TI5 they had the group stages I think were the casters rule in the
valve offices in empty rooms. Yeah I do remember that yeah. I did some of those
And I think TI4, at the good studio hub, me and Shane did some casts,
which was pretty funny because I would leave the overlays on for the entire 10 minute delay
so people would come in and chat and be like, please get rid of the overlays, we have to get rid of the overlays.
There was some pretty legendary streams.
Yeah, 15 minutes of some sort of break or draft overlay being up on those things.
Yeah, literally the draft overlay, which was a thing people have forgotten existed.
It was like a really ugly graphic that fitted over the draft.
People would get so angry.
These people just be fired, Jesus Christ!
What am I talking about?
Don't talk about the standard of the international!
They've got these two morons!
Two things about that, one, they must have been desperate for talent.
Yes, seriously.
Two, why do I feel like you've just always been old?
I know, dude.
I know.
I was in high school when I started doing all this stuff, though.
If only Dota had been in like ten years here.
I know.
You could have been a pro player, probably.
No, I mean I...
You would've been Quinn but...
Ha ha ha ha!
Certainly some of those early days players, CIT 2A3 maybe if I was 17 and 20, nothing would've played that...
Newbie's Dot Flacks!
That would've been something...
In your teen industry, you ever play any Pong tournaments?
How old do you think I am?!
Ha ha ha ha!
And yes, of course!
I got a pink-pong tournament you can play...
Ha ha ha ha!
Alright, let's do some Ted-Fly's I play.
Yeah yeah yeah, what?
Nothing's happening?
Well, get one of those big two are destroying them in the lanes. You see this right now. This major profit is getting
Rambunt he is getting round bunked and the spirit having a good time made
2.3k gold frog next on 2100. We've won 2100 tailing behind 400 gold behind ember is put
Getting that's not it getting destiny. This tiny's got nada. I have not seen a
destruction this hard since last season for the born with cherries 10
oh yeah absolutely which day I did I watch the fall
oh hey Danny killed just be able to shikoo chi on out of here
they were supposed to have the answers to that right it's supposed to be the one
lane that's supposed to go well right we've heard versus back it's going on
that's a scary hero you gotta ramp up slowly over time you know
I can't just show all your cards instant.
I gotta say, Shadow Shaman is not a very 9 class hero here.
Oh, body box, but the frog is able to do frog things and walk away.
Yeah, you can't block a frog.
Too slow, pretty much.
Yeah.
I feel like one of the issues I have with the frog and his farming is, I don't know,
I can't remember what spell it is, where he drops a bunch of frogs on the ground?
Frogs thump.
Frogs thump.
It seems to have one tick too many, because you can put it on a wave and walk away and
It farms the whole wave.
I think it makes it too easy for him to farm safely and risk free boxing after the night.
Roche Roche will oblige.
Bosh!
Bosh!
What is Bosh?
What is Bosh?
Yeah.
So sound, isn't it?
Bosh!
It's just the sound.
Yeah.
All it is.
It's just the, uh, what is it?
On a, on a, on a matter here.
Okay.
When, when, what is the context?
When do you use Bosh?
If there's something like that happens.
Something gets clobbered.
a boxy so like your mom last year
bosh bosh it can also just sort of mean like job done or wallet finished finito
bosh I'm learning a lot in this case they didn't know I could learn I didn't know
you could learn anything either I just surprised me every day wisdom shrine
Oh
He's trying red seven minutes. They're gonna they're gonna safely defend it
My class picking up the one way this wave up here
But the frog stopped this out of existence
gigantic wave I
Think we'll start to see nature's profits money ticking up once he gets
Level six could start stealing farm from people all over the map tons of fun
I think it's probably one of the more infuriating stuff.
In furionating some might say.
You can add puns into a cast to add a bit of flavor and flair if you want to.
Yeah, I mean, we try not to because people want to actually enjoy these puns.
It's such a dad joke.
Fits you perfectly.
Do you have any frog puns?
Because that's what's hot in the block.
Is it really?
The new heroes you gotta have some that's true hero. I suppose anything frogs frog spawns illegal any spawns looks like he croaked in that team
Pounds on satanic is not gonna last long enough. He doesn't mean to get off the time-lapse and we'll go for the kill on two
Here comes Mikkei!
And it got sprout all the way to the Palace.
Maybe they can get an extra kill.
The Gleb spins in the way, but the effect is still there.
Gets some of these heroes low.
Low enough that Nisha is still going to try and finish them off.
He can jump up.
Faced now going to join them.
And both supports are going to be run down here, inevitably.
Are they?
Mineclaw seems fine.
Yeah, he's chilling.
I think Trance should be able to throw trees.
Here comes the orb.
out my predictive play-by-play
crazy space though, he got an empty image
also, that was a nasty avalanche
that was, this game looks like a tough
because uh, who's on top now farm-wise?
Nisha Puck, and then Micky
is Nisha Puck the scariest hero player
combo in Dota right now?
can you think of anything?
nothing to say Tinker
that's true, that's true, that's just
straight nasty
I mean once by the time it was Micky
I think honestly those are some really good current combos.
Malorin's Sand King is pretty bloody good as well.
33 base master is always pretty scary.
His brew was very good when we saw that the other day.
That was damning.
Yeah, you'd probably put like 33 any of the like three heroes who's running in the patch
It is frog
Do you like his face the frog portrait just his face, you know, I think it's absolutely. I think it's really like his voice
He's like a Kiwi right I would have liked it
I'd say what I feel like they did this with Kez as well where it's just an accent
It's like Kez is just like an American guy and I feel like, oh let's just do this fight first.
We'll meet you at the Dream Quarter on the end by taking a bunch of damage.
It's like you brother.
Mickey might be coming in, gets a long upgrade tree and all of that catches the whole kit
and Kaboodle, but no one's able to triangle away.
Venetian predicted it.
One more click and doodle.
Boop!
Mother went boop!
Another cute boop.
Got him.
Third time's a charm.
Third boop's the charm.
I'm really bringing the broadband to the play-by-play.
I'm getting some more lips here, I gotta do more foam!
BAM!
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
Got a boot up that modem right there.
Shit, what was I talking about?
Who knows, dude?
That's the real talent of casting.
Remembering what it was you were talking about.
No, the real talent is for 10 equals not more.
Oh, that's right the voices so
Ken's voice was just good. Yeah, I'm a bird man. Hey, what's up guys? I'm a bird man and frog is like
I'm just a frog has a dying cost. I'm bloody about it. That's my problem
It's like what happens it like the whoo-da-brah-do-b-b-b-b kind of voices you used to get
You know what I mean? I don't like any of those guys work for a ball anymore
I want the frog to be like
Something like that. That was Jar Jar Pink, but it's just a guy. She did Jar Jar. That wasn't a jar
I was charger.
I know it's just a British charger.
I was not going to do a charger, I was going to do one, but I'm not going to do a charger because mine is way better than yours and it's going to get me in trouble.
Oh really?
Yeah.
That is not an accident you want to be good at.
It's terrible.
Also, George Luke is really, really doesn't like people doing that.
Drink it fan so I don't know if that's allowed.
It's not allowed. They can hear that too.
Sorry. Thank you for the sound effects.
Oh, it's really going to go better for party, but uh...
You just got outclassed on those room fights, man.
Liquid continue to bring more and more, so Nisha gets every single power room.
Look at 12-4-Go.
Is it worth using Lassu on that guy?
Hell yeah, it's not in class, dude.
What's happening?
Uh...
Oh my god! What? They just quit on him!
Did they see something juice here and they thought, oh, get him!
They're trying to inflict extra psychological damage.
They're toying with their food.
That's how you know a team is won too much.
They start toying with their enemies.
Is that the point in the story where the villain is monologuing essentially?
That's right. Yeah.
Give us a monologue.
I don't have a monologue to hand.
Well, what would puppy say in this situation?
I don't know. I don't see any of them.
This is your best puppy.
I can't do a puppy impression.
Why are you here?
He's very bad.
Why are you here if I can't do any of these things?
You invited me.
By who?
You guys, this morning you said Ted.
You'd love you to cross with us.
I don't think that's what happened at all.
I woke up and I got told Ted is casting me.
It's literally quite the opposite.
I said, Ted foresight.
What do you guys do when the game is basically there's nothing at stake?
13 minutes in 7 to 2, 2000 net worth lead for Team Liquid.
It's like a few seconds usually.
We do that kind of thing.
He just waits for me to talk basically.
That's all his job is.
And then you look at Quick Buys.
That's a good one.
Right.
Mickey, of course, is going to be going down there.
So, they got the Nailstrom, that's online.
Boots are bearing done for Ace, he's gonna be going low to Sword, thanks.
Hmm.
Liquid just methodically taking all the out-of-buildings.
I know, Contestor.
He loses those early runes by 3-0-1s towers.
This is why I banned Anisha Fudge.
Because honestly, you can even have counterfeits to it.
I don't think you want to end up in a situation where...
...you're behind going into the game,
and there's the looming threat.
Right.
Just the noose is being tightened.
What does he build on on puck like he goes which plate does he go with he goes which plate blink?
What's what's the usual?
Nisha puck filled after that. What is he like to be cowled with a 50 cowl 50 cowl mountain? Oh shit
I've caught him here though first the shit out of him. You sure as heck did see that feel powerful
It did did you enjoy that feeling you knew you yeah, you got him
You got the hell out of him you just slew him in his prime. Well, I you're more powerful than Nisha
I feel like
Taking the tower then they're not responding to the tower, but maybe they'll come around and get some vision down
He just sort of went up through their jungle blind and got caught. I mean it's off to blame that reason
You put that on you. I'm saying that was
Part of me a caster said you got a column out
I don't think that's true at all. You guys there. Absolutely. You have to look into the camera
There's no camera. You have to look into the mic and you have to say
Hey, Nisha, that's on you.
That's on you.
You are a bad player.
Well, I'm going to leave off that second part.
You have to see half the thing.
Is that how you get all the nice reddit comments?
That's right.
That's how you get the really juicy threads
that are uploaded a lot of times.
See, the trick that is, if you turn your phone upside down,
any download is really an upload.
That's true.
What about the little number that's next to the town boat
upload?
You can't read it.
Yeah.
just read it up so I put it in a mirror. Okay. Well the axe is done for triple S though.
Pyrite vision, finally have something going for him.
They can definitely fight. They can definitely fight.
Click on Weaver.
He's going Deso, he's almost there. That's the piece they're missing, right?
They get the Deso, the Largo axe, the Deso on the Ember.
Now they're kind of cooking, right? You get this ball going, if you can run liquid over.
There's a chance.
There's a chance.
Just like Armageddon. There's a chance.
Armageddon.
What you like that movie I know it's very popular in America. That's a class. It's a fun
It's that's a I prefer Connor if we're talking about that kind of fly or that era. Yeah, but
Okay, Connor's quite good
Nick Cage's team really go wrong. It's such a dumb movie. You've got to love it. I
Don't know. There's just something
Intrinsically American about sending fruits will
Your problem, you know, I sort of wish I could with
What's his name sir? Who was the young guy in that movie? He went out with Jennifer Lopez.
William Defoe. No not William Defoe.
Shot you there for a second. What the hell is his name? Bruce Willis Jr.
Not Bruce Willis Jr. Ben Affleck. Oh well you're talking about Ben Affleck.
Who's the young guy? He was young at the time. Oh he was young then. He's not young now.
How am I supposed to think of that?
He WAS the young guy!
Yeah, Ben!
To Bruce Willis's old guy!
Oh yeah!
Went out with Liv Tyler, is right there, right?
That's true, dude.
Did you say if you could believe that?
Believe what?
Ben that Ben out there, went out with Liv Tyler!
No.
Oh, okay.
Jennifer Lopez.
Who's the Ben Affleck of Dota?
Who's the Jennifer Lopez of Dota?
Very good point.
Could be you.
Oh, they're looking for a jump here.
He has...
Panic Stormed?
He's...
AHH!
Satsana can't die!
He cannot die!
He's turning me for you!
Panic, Panic.
Oh, they can kill everybody else.
They don't have to kill St. Tannick.
They can run down the supports.
Got a coil on the Ember Spirit as well.
That is very nice for Nisha.
Stucketh up the slide.
Watch the getting low.
And here comes Triplest with that axe.
He's running low on the end of the bell, but he's got maybe just enough Blasto.
They're trying to book us him down.
Getting a kill fast enough to win this fight.
The frog is done again again!
Look at all of a sudden, Satanic! They can kill Satanic!
But Liquid might lose the fight for it as the chains on him...
Here comes Tofu out of nowhere.
Bonds the Amber, got him inside the Overgrowth.
Oh, he's gonna take a run for the gold bag, but these will collect all of them.
Damn!
Game is all about money. Get the gold.
Well, that was not as bad for Parya, as it looked like it was gonna be.
Especially since they're still missing the Reaper Desk.
Not sure they have it there.
Frog is your damage leader, but it's really Misha look at Misha's damage in this fight
3660
Oh, man. Yeah moments. What kind of pack did this guy make?
They'll never find out
Look at the frog stop. Look at this song. Look at the damage. It's so silly
You know that he ran out of mana too. Yeah, he had mana. He would have actually
and continue to stomp this fight.
I think if Ari had Destal and Weaver and more men on it,
triple estate, they might win that.
That's a big one.
That's actually kind of a surprise he didn't come back.
He's just so low.
He's out of an A's, low HP.
Moneyback's not that enticing these days.
Inflation, the top economy.
Yeah, that's true.
It's off the living.
Yeah, if this was pre-great financial crisis,
maybe he goes back in there.
I think he goes back and gets a new law.
There's another frog tail, though.
This game's a little spicy.
I've been saying it.
No one will believe me. Logo is quite a strong hero.
No.
Are you sure, though?
Again, shout it down in the Talor Room. Like, guys, get back here for a reason.
I do think the moment you get Ags, it's like the uptick.
I'm trying to think of a hero, Ags Combo, which is as dominant at the moment
as Logo gets Ags, game completely changes.
Zeus.
That's the best team pick.
I doubt that was your argument against it, that it's not picked, not that it is a terrible
game.
It's not terrible.
What's that?
Nimbus comes online.
Nimbus.
What's that?
You can't show anyone.
Oh, here comes the bear.
Don't tell me how to use that.
Don't.
Off-ride, Jess.
Pretty much 24-7.
23-10.
Be him this game.
Bring him together.
Oh, he's gone.
Don't you tell me how to use my static store.
my static storm don't don't you know I didn't know that it made it onto the
cost I'm excited it was always gonna be don't think that
second time he'll live through this silence and get off the time left got
the kill on Mickey on his way out to Foxy unless the fact is why do the gold
to call us run down by the orb Nisha is still the biggest baddest man in the
server right now silence on satanic another orb satanic running running
running? Is Nisha gonna be able to hunt him down through the invisibility
stint panic? Try to loop around the tree, cut the avalanche, and Nisha does run him down.
I'm surprised he didn't just keep running. Yeah, I kind of felt like the player just
keep running. He was worried about the cooldown zone. Right. He was trying to
gauge like the wing roof was coming right back up for the tiny jump.
Rough enemy left fight for party liquid now leans. Hey, just have no answer for
He's very good. He's a jolly good player.
The other issues is the supports are just getting ran back from the flag.
I mean, you don't think the issue was that Static Storm didn't hit anything?
That's a problem.
That is a problem.
He tried to hit the puck, but Puck had already face shifted with an orb out.
Don't you tell me how to drop my spin.
Oh, don't tell me.
I wonder if you would appreciate that they would be blessed.
They have no idea.
Yeah, I mean, especially with that quote.
You're doing the Bilkshake quote, people might actually recognize it, but...
That is a deep cut.
That's a good quote, though.
It is.
That is funny, anyway.
I'll drop my static storm exactly where I want to drop it.
You don't tell me where to put your ice.
Oh, that's a torment to have to that fight.
A shark with a bat rider, now Liquid are cooking.
They have all three top net worths.
That was kind of your Weaver Deso fight, too.
They have not lost a tower yet, looking very spicy for Liquid.
Especially with eyes going down now too.
The eyes of the forest!
Don't press it.
BKB puck, lotus or bat rider, eyes on the tree protector, play tech on the tiny...
What is this?
Archean rune, haste rune, what do you do to this?
Yeah, what do you do?
Oh yeah.
It's a monstrosity.
This is why I think this is the one here I would always ban against.
This is just too demoralizing.
It's like...
That's pretty good.
He honestly, the amount of damage that he outputs in the fights...
Like he makes the hero look so busted
It also gets liquid a focal point. He's just like
Everybody goes mid to ensure power rooms for him that way he can continue to pop off
You're saying he's gets carried by his team. He's actually garbage at the hero. Interesting
Interesting
Break the
You've slammed dunking with the orb
That's the kind of kill you want. Wait, wait, wait. Did Mickey just start TPing in just so that they have the toss target?
What? For what?
Why'd you get KTP in? You're just thinking about joining the game. Oh, I see. Ian, finish it.
Old killed him. Also, didn't they toss it to their own creeps?
Yeah, tossing creeps. I see. Instant coil snap.
see you later that was a sexy kill that was nice that is a demoralizer that's
okay that's how you know make her probably that's gonna work you get a
kill like that you know so clean so smooth
wow what is this audio and sometimes it happens that's so much that is funky
why didn't he toss it back to the puck is the weird he could have broken the
coil that way too five on four potentially they all winning you gotta
I think off of the dream protector
It's like fair play
Released yeah, it's like cricket. Ah, you should look out
No bias here Ted
Get out of there son
My boy, oh
Here comes that or not dodged by nine class to the little curves to it boxy
We'll be run down support for support now another support on top of the supports for support
Firefly over the top, Mikkei!
Rapimation gets off before he dies
It's gonna be up to Nisha if they're
Have a hope of being able to win this fight outright otherwise it's gonna be a part of vision win. They got a problem
They got a problem for sure. They got a problem
Just to be clear that's a problem is a frog problem
A frog problem is a problem.
That's a great play for Pari.
A frog problematic.
A cause of network change.
A cause of the XP change.
The frog dealt 6400 damage.
I don't believe they are.
I think the hero is broke.
There's no way he dealt 6400 damage.
Apparently he did.
Okay, even if his numbers...
Art bugged.
It's not like PariVision won that fight off of the other two doing 3000 damage.
No.
But I still love my notes, that's all.
It's those frogs you put down, they just sit there pumping out damage.
I think by far the most irrelevant part of this team.
It's a lot.
I don't know why you're so focused.
It's more than you think.
On top of which, huge AOE.
Look at that fucking AOE.
It is.
It's ridiculous.
Is it that big?
I feel like there's a lot of spells in Dota that are big.
Look at it!
Look at it on that screen there!
Oh, you're talking about Zolt.
Yeah, that thing has that AOE as ridiculous.
But if you nerf this at all, the hero just disappears, right? Because his base kit is pretty garbage.
So we just stuck with him now forever?
No, they'll probably overtune his spells, nerf the eggs, turn him more towards his support. That's what I mean.
But you gotta enjoy this while you can.
Yeah, that's true. Make hay while the sun shines.
Well, no one's not.
Get down, Mula!
It's actually more than you think.
Yeah, kind of. It's up.
Do you know as well the Shadow Shaman wards?
Watching the other day, they're worth like 30 gold a piece each of the wards?
Yeah.
Killing the wall of Golem and it gives you a hundred gold?
Yeah.
So how come a giant golem, servant of Goroth,
summoned from the depths of hell,
is worth less than a couple of snakes?
Well those are voodoo snakes.
Silly.
Yeah, they're selling them.
Also is that another British using...
What?
...Shaman?
What do you say?
Shaman.
Because have you ever seen anybody walking around with golem skin boots?
That's a good point.
Well no, because that's my point.
They have no utility.
They can't kill a golem.
Like they get killed.
That's what golems don't have pockets.
You can't keep any loose change there.
That's a good point.
You know, after you shoot the golem, after you shoot the man, you're going to go through
his wallet.
Golems don't have wallets.
That's true.
But sneaks do.
Well yes, you can take into a wallet.
Snakes have those little pockets that you can reach in.
Do you think a snake's skin boots is fair enough or do you think it's unfair on the snake?
You mean it's a snake's wearing it?
No, I mean I have snake skin boots. I don't. One has snake skin boots.
Yeah. People are anti-fur, which is fair enough. I agree with that.
But snakes? A snake skin boots?
That's fair enough. That's fair enough. Yeah, it's fair enough, you know, they're fucking...
They're rotten. What if it was already dead? That's what I'm saying.
You just came across it that's me. Yeah, make it inside there. It's wrapped around my shoe
I'm gonna make that into a bear poops
Oh wait, it's a Weaver right there bear poops
Static storm good try boxy, but they were ready for that one. Very ready. The turn around begins
Oh, they're going.
Don't worry shackles. Overgrowth to hold them back Ace. They'll be able to make a run for it. They licked themselves like a dog
dog. Can he lick himself? Yeah. So ridiculous. Catchy lick is a good name, but I'm saying
imagine dogs can do that, right? Imagine if every time your dog looked at itself, it
just dig off itself. Really? Yeah, just what I'm saying. D D buffed. Won't that be amazing?
How has Weaver looked in these games from your guys' perspective, because I haven't been super impressed with it so far.
I haven't seen a game where it's like, oh, it's Weaver.
It just looks really late. You need the level 20 and 25 talents. You need the shard. You need to get tanky enough that you can use all that.
And then at some point when you get that data loss and the triple hit in with the crits, it's insane.
But we have not seen a lot of people get there.
They haven't gone there. I think we watched one game where he got to 25 bidders. They
were just too far behind. It's tough. Don't you feel like a lot of the carries that we're
seeing at the moment are like carries that will fight you, like cares and stuff like
that that will like be in there fighting. Weaver wants to be doing this dip in and out, dip
in and out. Yeah, true brawlers. Get in there. And with the frog you think you kind of want
I want to stand and fight benefit from that frogginess little bear knuckle box. Yeah
Surprisingly not why not because I'm not a Victorian
Ruffian, really? Yeah, I know it's hard to believe. I thought every Englishman just I was like P class
Landup gentlemen, it's time for bear knuckle boxing class. It's pretty good. It sounds like an intro to you
They got that funky ass, you know, like the arms real stretched out.
Yeah, what was up with that?
Neobreast style!
I actually watched a video on that, it's because they didn't have gloves.
So the technique was very different back then.
Obviously you don't break your wrist.
It was more about like what you're hitting and what is what isn't going to get hit.
That makes sense.
You're not really punching the like the hard parts of the head, for example.
Yeah, you've got breakers, the cushy parts of the head.
Shot only gentlemen, not shot only.
That's a quarter of the day right there.
Talking of not shots.
Oh, I was hoping a flight was about to start.
I get it.
It's good.
Can't gamble on cast, then.
Yeah, that's true.
Also, there's no hoodwink in the game.
She can't.
No, she's a nut shot.
Oh.
That was a good one.
A good one.
Frog coming downpour here, I don't think the two of them can blow him up. I think it would take whole team to kill frog
Okay, but they're just gonna kill everybody else
Or they're just gonna keep scaling up here because it's a fox find a lot of armies nine and one three hundred Cs
It's got the tanda
Look what is very hard for a head, but I don't actually feel like the game has progressed that much to their faker
Hmm. Like if this game just continues this all, I think I like party vision more and more.
They're draw store the game.
I mean, I like the fact that I mean weavers still lost. Weavers got like two timings in the game.
It's like right after laning phase and then level 25.
They need an Aegis though. I'm not gonna swing towards party in this game, games they wise,
unless they can get an Aegis once they can.
Then I think they have a very good shot, just swinging back in their favor, but they are down 13k, that is significant.
So you get it out a little bit, that's actually a very welcome shot in this game.
Yeah.
But how much he has been.
That's a good one.
Destimated by Nisho in the backline.
Do you want to also say liquid in these ultra late game things?
They're pretty good at that.
Um, and one of the things at Blast I actually talked away, so I was like, how do you guys ever prepare for these kind of late game scenarios?
He said, where's my coffee?
Sorry?
He said, where's my coffee?
Why are you talking to me?
He said, that obviously Game of the Rim is one of the longest games of all time.
One of the longest pro games of all time.
Two and a half thousands long.
It's a predictor for that.
So they learned a lot in that game.
And he said they then went away and sort of watched the replay of that.
And he really thought about how to win those ultra late games.
Like he spent a lot of time thinking about it and planning on how to win it.
So I think later on obviously, you know, they do have the experience for that
But we talked about this the other day like who's really good at that was Jackie, right?
Jackie Man!
I was there man, he had a lot of ideas about how you play Linky.
3,000 years ago
He decided not to cast that divine right here into the fire.
When the strex of men faked
I was there, 3,000 years ago.
3,000 years ago.
Self-advocation, the lasso, pull out of the coil, not even needed, jeez, you kill him without the snap.
That is nuts.
I've noticed that Liquid is really down to just throw everything they have to kill one hero.
I bet.
Now that Toss back onto the Shatter Shuffling as well,
PyreVision feel like they can still take it apparently.
There's a lot of Stormcuddle on the heroes, BKB goes out, T-Tanic.
He'll finish off the Tray and Protect, and now let attacking Ace, Ace hit a TP out with his BKB.
He apparently makes it away.
Why does he still take it?
It's because he's got that Lotusaur.
Geeze, second-hand Lotusaur, that's a clean clean.
Mickey no pkb for him boxy trying to help him out at least doesn't do much to that regard they got the bug on a big
That's something for no one's buy. That's a double buy
Party kind of paying that out with the ember that can instantly come back in costly for no one there
Look at his network and they could get rose. He got decimated off that. Yeah, but it does help as we've earned frauds
They they might get a building that is exciting. I mean can't be gross in 70 seconds. Well, there it is
I'm sure afraid of fury on by if you don't know his exact goal, but you have to be low
try you got a kind of guy if he wants to buy that
There is a bat and a puck and a tiny coil is up in two seconds kind of wish they had done this before the tower
The issues you have no you only have ember be to be so you can't be jb mana for this ages if the tiny jumps the pit
So I'm just ready to go
Perfect time
I told you
That timing's so perfect!
He got the raw shot, he got the Aegis, he took everything from Paryfish!
Wow!
Just nasty!
Wow!
I told you, man.
What a jump.
He got no BKB, he's gonna get it.
It's just...
That's the boxy, man.
That is so demoralizing.
Especially since I feel like if they get an Aegis, they have a solid shot with the Weaver Aegis
because it's so much damage off this glass.
God, yeah.
It is starting to get harder for him to win these fights.
Well, you did it one handed, too. That's dying.
That is no fun.
He wants to tribute.
One hand only snatched that.
Let me just drag my slot open with my mouse.
Press that hockey.
Just click my spin.
For some reason, every time I see those boxy clips, I just imagine.
I just think of him as like shit talking.
To the guy next to him like doing one of those
Like it's like to like pop a knee show I can't you see that shit. I can imagine you couldn't do that
You guys are lucky gets play
Always some fly shit. He's always the poor positions like some flies
I smirk on their face, you know.
Like, oh, I know I'm good.
That's true.
I all like that.
Like a nine-clothed boxy in this game.
Both guys like to do crazy shit like that.
It's nice that Dota has that.
Oh, oh, that's a catch.
That extorm and a single target focus.
They got off the PKB, though.
Nisha, I think he's going to be OK here.
No, Nisha actually blink away.
St. Tannick was sitting on top of him with the Shukuchi.
You can't do the blink straight forward.
St. Tannick.
other four series they lost 0 and 2 you can't be satanic Ted you come this is
old time down you just can't beat this guy look at this we were getting scary
he is big team big and they got an axe down in the Ember spirit that was a
recent pickup I mean I'll scale in here that's what it feels like I think so
What a catch, though. What a catch.
And imagine this is an Agstax one later.
That's just completely done, right?
Yeah.
Can't he just blink...
Don't you...
Can't you blink straight forward?
He had to blink the direction he was facing.
Yeah, I think he was facing left, and he tried to blink up the river.
So I think technically he should blink there.
We just gonna...
Oh, Misha's like,
Uh, my current understanding is still that you can all...
You can blink out of phase if the direction you're facing is.
Anything in the entire game, and I don't believe that has changed for a considerable amount of time, right?
Well
This game's going to a point where satanic is good against a level 25. I think this is a very scary
This way are they are they favorite liquid? I think they're about to be. Yeah
I would say how tough to say that because these rules are still super far
Oh, I thought it's less. It's not even close. It says 75 25. He likes Largo apparently
It's the loyal, it knows Largo.
It knows. If anyone's gonna know, it's Gabe.
The algorithm.
The algorithm is Gabe Newell, sat in his office, watching the games, all of your games.
He makes a judgement call at that moment.
Do you genuinely think Gabe is ever watched a pro game, but though, outside of the international?
Oh, outside the international? Yes, he has, yeah.
In the last ten years?
Oh, I don't know about the last ten years.
There's other cats.
I'll be back in a day.
You're nine-class. He's doing work.
He is doing, doing bits.
And I will say,
Hari has done an amazing job of
keeping
detection in gym
and killing these eyes.
Like how many eyes are even on the map?
One, bottom?
Two.
Two?
That's it?
Little pick off here.
He's going to be for free.
The Shadow Shaman doesn't actually die.
Okay, he's got him in the end.
He was on the other side.
Still no boxy stuff and static storm alongside.
No one.
Real quick.
Might get him!
Oh, man, no cooldown.
Did he get the Climbslot by the way?
They're just, they're just rolling them now.
I mean, no one might have had a rough game.
Certainly the buyback hit his Mula, and uh, he's definitely behind, but I think they've
got to the point now where this Weaver is genuinely hard enough to kill and doing so
much damage that you just can't blow him up.
And then you add the Heal on top of that, you've got the Control with Disruptor and
Shatter Shameless genuinely hard for them to get this weaver. All right, but making level 25. Yeah
Just got satanic
Let's get a bit of a beast. He's a bit of a beast now
I mean level 25 doesn't add anything to the team fights tree in HP though. It is something to the rat
You have a tree in HP. That's interesting. Try and get these lanes and threaten the buildings
I mean, I think that says he doesn't feel like team fights are the way they're gonna win the game
Yeah, they've resigned themselves to split.
That's a good bump in smoke.
Getting top to land, he's past us too.
Against the frog with double Lincoln's.
Yes, good luck, you know.
That's a level 25 Largo in the next fight.
I will say that's a P.I. like between the Weaver and Largo.
That he can just perma-Lincoln's the Weaver.
Because Weaver's such a good Lincoln's carrier.
But doesn't really want to buy it himself.
So effectively you have to add a Lincoln to this big cannon cannon tower, which that sounds amazing.
You're looking at it and it's like, oh, of course, you know.
And there's very few spells that break it in this game.
Yeah.
And you don't have the debuff piercings.
You don't have the debuff piercing dream coil.
Yeah, yeah.
That's a big talent for you.
You should still do that.
Big, big, big, big, big.
And they should still wave away from Ags as well.
How close is the disruptor to getting his Ags?
his ex is my question she's very close 400 off hmm they might want to wait for
that satanic did get the panic though this signature no one with his axe
throwing around those remnants trying to break liquid smoke found opening nice
catch hi ace in the lotus orb quickly takes off the chains and they're gonna
focus on triple s they got the coil toss back on to him see if they can get him
down without too much damage you can do man you get a cow satanic comes through
He starts throwing some damage onto Mid game, but with the last no piercing, through Satanic, he tries to eyes!
He doesn't get up the time lapse!
Oh, party vision!
That was just a reach.
Oh, yeah, why did they try so hard to do that?
That's SSS Vibeck too.
What did they see that they were like, we gotta go now?
They just feel like they're gonna win the fight no matter what.
That was just not the moment to force that.
Really awkward area around this tree, I have to team split looking for the tree.
The other half gets caught in the river, a beautiful tossed coil snap.
Satanic goes in, gets treat up, just stunned and died the fact, no say, no one to help.
Vastu does its job, right out the fire, he has to buy a lever.
Yeah, he's dead for a minute, the banner is gonna go down, this is gonna be a lane at least for Liquid.
Level 25 plus aggs coming in for Nisha is gonna be nasty. This could be where liquid. Oh, yeah
That's what I'm saying. You just so much damage
The lake you carry on all the three man
Apple talk back on the coil that snaps the worst neck no buyback on ember
We've heard that for 30 they just get tier four zero. They get another linear for another way
I mean if your party vision you would have been better just to sit in the fountain
Probably do it.
Why not?
Why not do that?
Yeah, like all you're doing is giving the opportunity for Liquid to get more pick-offs.
And now you have your ag status, but you're never going to get a full 5-man fight out of it.
Oh, DeCauls has got to be so mad.
We've seen a few of the teams that are not doing so well.
Maus, Vettboom and Paravision having reasonable times in games,
even being slaughtered ahead of times and then a bad fight.
Swings the whole thing back around and blows it wide open for liquid.
Yeah, look at that.
Recovered this game only to toss it straight back with a 15-fight from liquid.
I didn't even really have a point with the toss.
Oh, yeah.
Tom obviously killed it.
Be guard.
Just so fast.
Like, no time to hack.
You can't really itemize against it.
Your only options are A on this, maybe Wind Waker.
I'm so much time. 45 seconds for the Ember Spirit. They may have to try and take this 4 vs 5.
Is that a storm here?
It's beautiful. They at least get the puck. The puck is stuck inside with no way out.
Now Liquid are going to have to play this down 4 vs 4. It's a big case strong enough for this.
You've got to chase your partner.
Yeah, surely, right? You've got to get more out of this fight.
God I look for something. They got up to the high ground TP to weigh on Mickey. Most of the heroes are already out
They're not gonna get anything more. Oh, I think they're all back. I was gonna surprise
Well, I think they're hesitating because they don't have ember and the logo has no body
So it is a scary situation to chase like Furion
You have to assume Furion has buyback and can come back in a fight this way if you chase you kill Mickey
He buys comes back in maybe puck has by they don't know he didn't but that's just a gold thing
I can see how that's a scary chase you know what the when when it was weaver and
when it was satanic and Mickey just down to clobbering each other I don't think
Mickey's winning that that mountain. Mickey you got caught?
Do they have enough to bring him down? He's a satanic here. He does. Activate him.
He gets hexed up with the kicking fingers. Oh that's satanic was healing him up.
Of course there was nobody nearby to bail him out. He was always gonna be stuck
and one versus five.
Nine classes really had some reeds this game.
Finds, found some clutch pick offs with the shaman.
Shaman, as you say.
Any man, shaman, shaman, shaman, shame on you.
Shame on me.
Shame man.
20 seconds, still the puck is up
and we do have a buyback available for making,
so Liquid 1-2.
Really wild game.
There's a Nightsies fan called the shaman.
What happened?
It was the era of the 90s house music and they have their time and came and went.
What was it like in the 90s?
It was a good decade, it was a lot of fun.
That's good.
It really was.
Simple times.
Don't think went for it, but immediate, Hanks.
And now the static storm. BKV went up early from Puckville.
So he's not going to be stuck inside the static storm.
It's just going to be boxing, immediate buyback from him as well as Mickey.
Amazing for a party.
Yeah, that's great.
Great. They got Mickey and Boxy byback.
Arguably two of the three most important in this game, because I think this tiny has been critical.
Oh yeah.
And they already took the mid-late of Barracks. The damage is already done there.
And they also get Roshan.
He's not flanking this one. I think this is...
No way he's getting here in time.
Oh, no way.
I mean, do they want to gamble? There's no way.
Right? Now Liquid has to...
What's kind of ESK, I think, for six minutes?
They're significantly on the back, because the triple has to buy back is going to be up at 3 minutes.
So if you really want to sit here with your Aegis for 5, wait for that 3, and then go for a fight.
You have everything right, you're super competent, and they're missing two of the heroes.
If Mick Ago is down here in big trouble, Puck's not doing enough damage in these fights.
It feels like the Largo is just negating the Puck's attrition.
Yeah.
Like he doesn't punch hard enough.
Because the damage from his spells has sort of got to the point where it's just like needling away at the supports, but they don't care.
Yeah, I know. I mean, as long as the disruptor gets his ult off.
Well, that's why the best fights have been the tossback breaking coil, right?
Yes.
There's so much single target, focused on one hero.
That's the fights that have been working for Liquid.
They gotta find the shaman.
They have to find the shaman. It's very important.
There's gonna be shaman after this game.
These are good, these are good, these have an ease of good. That's one of their classics.
I could see why they didn't make it.
Last one of these.
Or was it the Shaman or the Shamans?
It's the Shaman. They were two of them, though.
Spelled like N.E.A.
Yeah.
First I respect that there.
Two of them.
It's gonna be 2-0 Parry. I think this could be three games. I don't think it's gonna be a 2-0 to be the team
Harry got this
The hardest part 20k brings up the graph
All right, there's never thrown any games the definition of a roller coaster. They've never let in this game by the way
It's really good.
Never let it go over four XP bases at once, the entire game.
Gabe thinks they'll win though?
Like minute five.
Where they win from?
Uh-oh.
Can Liquid safely apply any pressure to this bot lane?
Can Liquid out on the map?
That's a tieback.
It's gonna be a dieback.
They abandoned him too.
Never baden my child!
Look at how safely they're playing.
The other two are looking for the tree on the side so they can't really win that.
Okay, 90 seconds and you still have two and a half minutes left on the edges.
It's go time.
This is your opening.
There's still the tier two top, so you can't really go for megas.
Unless you just push through top.
Yeah, I mean that's your last be rapsling too.
You gotta worry about the rat action, right?
The supertrees.
Where are they?
They're down here.
We're gonna go.
What's your number?
Summer of 96. That was a genuinely great summer.
Was your first love?
No, that was a year before.
The summer of 96?
Yeah, Euro 96. Football tournament in England.
Why are you acting like that was...
It was like from the 70s.
30 years ago.
That was the year of 96.
The summer of 96?
The summer of 96. Like it's some great generation.
All the Brits will know what I'm talking about.
Especially the English.
I was like primal racist.
That's great times.
You're a great band.
First year at university, just banging.
Great year.
You're just banging the whole time?
That's what the first year was.
Just a banging year is what I mean.
Ah, right, right, right.
Year of banging for Ted.
Banging all the time.
He found his first love a year before and then 96, and he shot out the Ted's wife washers.
Hey, she could be watching.
She actually started watching.
Oh no.
You're not to tighten up that language, but...
This is trouble. Melting, that's it.
10 more seconds still. They give up a second lane of Barracks. They don't have to worry
about megas. That's such a big win for parry though, just in terms of controlling lanes
against the fury. Oh yeah.
They still don't have a gold lead.
Yeah, this is wild.
Look at that.
Part of that is the fury on effect though.
Yeah.
He has like a bit of an inflated net worth on this nature's profit.
mk.sap.aid, it's full of aid and a sap.
True.
You ate a moonshark, by the way.
So he's really, he's really trying to damage Max's gold.
Someone's going to get picked up here.
I'm telling you.
They do CDN damage off of the tree, so it's going to come as a surprise to Liquid.
And it's thinking about a moonshark.
It is interesting when you have this asymmetric building thing where one of you's got one
lane of racks left and it's the opposing side have the lane the other side.
I feel like this does suit Triant because he can just shit his trees down and they're
always going to shove that lane.
But Mikkei, I feel like when Mikkei gets level 30 which is impending, gets the free TPs,
He's always that threat of him coming in there
Amber is good at responding for that eternal and he used to call this the jack of spades
How so because you know on a plane car there's the jacks. Yeah, yes, the two one facing one one face
Yeah, the jack of spades made that up
Need a reference like that. No, but you believed it. That's what's important
He would call it. I don't know the one piece or something some anime
Yeah, it's not PG. Some questionable language. It would be a long anime reference to do.
Yes, it would be.
Well, we all know what I'm talking about. There are five...
Five heroes going down mid from the game, and you blow five 5x available for parry here.
And a lot of Lincoln Spears they control them.
What?
They may get him down.
Got the last one initiation on the Shadow Shaman, and he has been a menace for boxing.
He's gone.
So now it's up to... to call us with the static storm?
To stop Boxy's blinkin' tossback?
Or are you just chill?
Yeah, I think you just call it here.
But this will reset all buybacks in the game.
You only had a minute here on the clock for those liquid ones.
Shows a lack of bollocks.
Mmm.
The lanes are looking good for liquid.
Thought and Top both pushing in.
We've seen this before.
We had a couple of games at Blast like this in the five game series that they had where
ultra late game, they are good at it.
They are good at it, especially when you've got Mikaid Prophet ready to hibbidy hop whatever he needs to be.
Yeah, it's got to say, planes are pretty easy to clean up for both teams here between Hember and Fury.
Yeah.
They both have so many, just sit there, go back.
back. And Nisha should go divine rape you here.
She'll call to him. Does he have axe? He does have axe.
He's got moon shards already consumed. Still a satanic. I think so.
Going on tofu here. Oh! He's going to blink in static storm of the tree. Is that worth it?
We're trying to get him out of the lane spell onto satanic. We've got him inside the coil.
Nisha refreshes. Damage cut out. Does mention burst down box. He's satanic with his satanic.
He's keeping himself alive. It gets big, big, big, big, but also with the satanic.
It's a satanic off and they do manage to win it on car
My class god
About to put those buybacks back on cooldown. I must say that man fight that was cool
It was cool, but it was not close when one side has Largo. Yeah, just sitting there buffing him with armor damage extra
Lincoln's
What's he supposed to do man? He needs his own Largo. Yeah, I mean liquid can't I just don't think they can take straight-up fights
unless they're getting a toss back in the initiation.
Well, they almost snapped him out of the coil.
Have they keep hurting Piked him?
I'm gonna hurt him by himself and almost snap the coil.
That was almost very clutch.
That's for you, Ted.
Oh, we tried to get the last no initiation,
but he immediately got a hexed face.
He'll die. That's gonna be for all five buybacks from Team Liquid.
These last lives are final.
Boxy, that's the death that can't be.
I'm sure trying to get him, but he can't stand a storm.
On mid game, mid game, it's got a beautiful overgrowth.
He's keeping it alive for now.
Then all they can get is maybe hopefully get no one.
That's it.
With the buybacks available for party vision,
they're just going to mow down.
Like, when he's on the page.
Give him the page.
He's one more.
Damn shame.
They're not going to give it to him, though.
That's shocking.
Come on, lads.
Give him the page.
He's so young.
It's probably only the first one he's ever at.
Dead.
Definitely not.
Yeah, I swear. No, no, no.
Well, you said all that.
I don't even know what he's doing here,
trying to make some sort of weird smoke play.
Yeah.
He is called as he gets pot.
And party vision, the comeback!
Bring down the undefeated team Liquid in one game.
And they do it in a full-out spirit.
How was that spliced again?
Well, they tried it out.
I mean, Aiden was staying on the panel.
I reckon they've given away the frog,
and they've taken the tree, because they want to try and see,
hey, how powerful is this tree?
How hard is it to beat this frog?
Um, and I mean, you know, they did get a lot of other things they wanted.
Boxy on the tiny, you got Nisha on the puck.
It looked good, but they weren't on the clock.
This Weaver and this Largo, Largo gets ads.
Weaver gets level 25 and so on.
And uh, level 20, he gets pretty damn scary.
And Pond never had the lead in this game.
It's wild.
So that last two minutes where they, you know, 5-5 at sure,
they'll leave it for me.
But they effectively never had it in this game.
It's pretty wild.
This is definitely a Largo game through and through. He was just keeping him in it in the big game.
But the honey...
I will say like they did go for the trade as he said, but I feel like Liquid also did have a lot of their signature heroes.
The Esha Puck, the ace bat liar he's been owning with, the Naked Furion, like Bossy owned this game.
He had so many coil snaps that were clutch. I feel like he was the most important in the end in a way.
Like when the Tiny died that last time and he had no buy, I felt like at that point they were almost screwed because
They couldn't snap coil with anybody else, like they were trying to hurricane pike it out of the coil, they didn't have it.
They hadn't killed anything ever since, like, what, minute 30 without some sort of toss back coil snap situation?
They were defending all that combo.
Crazy game one between Paryvision and Team Liquid. Paryvision, walking away the victors.
So, in our analogy then, I'm looking at Team Liquid as a hydraulic press, and party vision
roll up as like a Nokia phone up into this series, because the pressure was being a bit
firmer and tougher and harder and harder.
We see the network's advantage growing, and yet despite all that aid in, the press explodes,
can't handle the pressure it can't wash party vision yeah honestly i'm really impressed i feel
like party showed the great resilience i think maybe liquid also uh underestimated them a bit
they decided to go up the lago take the tree in the stud and i've we've talked about it a bit
off camera but like the train doesn't really have a lot of redeeming qualities into the lago like
it's not nothing about it really says that it's like that good you know you can purge off the
spells, there's usually any higher single target first damage, so all of the things that we look for
against Largo, Trin doesn't quite have. So yeah, in this case, I feel like the hydraulic press felt
like dampens, you know. They resisted and they cooked like the first round of the press, but maybe
the second round of the press would be too much. Yes, there is a full best of three and as encouraging
as it is to see this rebuttal from the team that has yet to win a single series versus the team
that has won every single series. No one's animated about it. Quinn can't believe it. We're witnessing
a party vision victory against Liquid. It is shocking. I definitely would have expected a
2-0 in Liquid's favor before this series happened. And I agree with Aiden that I think they got a
little bit disrespectful when it comes to the Frogman. I don't think I've seen this hero lose
in like the past week. Before people figured it out more, it was losing a lot because people
didn't understand the gameplay quite as much. But now that we've seen the gameplay figured out,
I legit feel like this hero is like borderline unbeatable like the stuff
It does is so unlike every other hero that exists right now
I think it's reminiscent of like beast eggs when it's super broken this hero that he just AFK farms eggs
And it kills everyone but also is broken in team fight and log rise has this extra layer
We're not only does it heal him, but it heals everyone else too when he gives you 20 armor and it's just it's absurd
I don't think there's a hero that is viable right now that you can pick against him realistically like I don't think Largo is
beatable. I think, I mean, you can beat him, but if he is in the game, I think you're out of
draft, almost by default. Yeah, the Largo team will always kind of be favored. I think it's a
hard, hard to see a situation in which one team gets Largo and the other can get something else,
and we think like that was a worthwhile trade. I'm trying to look at the history. So,
HarryVision have actually lost Largo against BedBoom team. So maybe this was a also good
test to see SFS. This is another chance on the hero. Try it out again, and maybe we can figure
it out. What do they have? That boom had Clink, Viper, Mars, Jekiro, Tusk. And
the developer maybe was that the voids perverse Viper? Yeah, I was going to say it wasn't
the Largos. Yeah, it wasn't related to the Largo and the trades. If you look at the
draft trades, I feel like it's more that.
Party didn't clutch out their draft. They had like Nick's pango or that was that they
have Nick's. No, that was the next game.
Parry had Largo, Void Spirit, DK, Techies, Ringmaster.
Right. And they got super owned mid.
Yes.
And then the Viper just kind of still loved them to cover the entire map.
And then...
If more Largo was rather...
Beyond that, Largo has not lost a single group stage 2 match.
Really?
The last one you lost was OG vs. BedBoom team, where OG played it in the tiebreaker and lost with it.
And so Largo has yet to lose. It has one with Betboom Team, and it has one with Tundra, it has one with Aurora, it has one with Liquid, one with Betboom Team twice, one with Aurora again, so...
It has one with 1 and 7?
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. 9 games, and he has only lost 1. And this is game number 10.
So he's 8 and 1.
He's now 9 and 1.
So this will be game number 11.
No, no, no. This was 9 and 1.
I see.
This is this game time.
That is a crazy win right for a hero probably
Band logo might be an idea. Maybe but we want to look at him
Quinn show me something about this hero then yeah
I've got some clips from that game because you just can't help but stare at the frog man when he's on your screen
So let's all stare it in together open your peepers before that though
I think the big thing that was keeping liquid in this game and one of the reasons why I think they were doing so well for so long
was that Nisha was honestly kind of diffing no one in terms of impact and I think it also in terms of net worth
I think the one of the big things versus puck here was you have to stay on power them
And if you do then you can survive his rounds of burst you can survive his poke
But if you can't then it becomes a real problem and you start dying very very quickly
But I think once that puck firepower starts to wear off then we see that blue aura that blue hue
You are on that frog speed, that is spells doom for you my friends.
That means he has aggs and he strums his stupid guitar, that we've heard his dumb tunes a
million times and he just kills everyone.
Now this fight goes about even or so, but they are down significant gold, ember down
at the bottom of the network, that is not what you want to see.
And weaver also not big of a top of the network in the late early game or early mid game is
also a very bad sign.
And from here on out, it's just all Largo all the time.
We just talked about it and we talked about it throughout this group stage
But the fact that it's nine and one I genuinely think this hero has reached a point where
You just have to ban it every game. I don't think you can give it
I think you should give anything else shadow fiend triant batrider anything
But I don't think you can give Largo legitimately
I have not seen a single hero that actually counters his hero not a single grade not a not do not anything
I don't think any it's a real counter the hero to me. I
legitimately has no counters and
And I dare say the sole reason that Liquid lost this game is they took a bad first day as draft, like Aiden said, and from there on out, it's just an easy execution, right?
Like if Liquid makes a couple mistakes like they did, they overextend a little bit, you lose one fight, suddenly Frogman becomes untouchable and the game is just really hard.
I don't know if I'm willing to go so far as to play a bad first round because Tree of Protector statistics are also insane for this tournament.
And so, if we are picking Poisons...
What is 3 in statistics?
3 in protectors only lost 2.
Now this is the second game that he has ever lost.
And the other one was Mao's losing to Gamer Legion earlier in the tournament.
How many wins has it had?
He has been played 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 times.
In group stage 2?
No, throughout the entire tournament.
Right, so in group stage 2.
This is the first time Trion has gotten through in group stage 2.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know, but if I would...
Based on the games we've seen, obviously,
Chainsaw Man almost all the time.
But I would probably put Largo and Bullchain.
As of right now, based on what I've seen,
that's probably how we'll do it.
Don't we also see teams banning Shadow Demon?
You get it, Shadow Demon is really a hero,
but it's like, why would you rather...
Shadow Demon doesn't take over a game the way this frog does.
You've got it at some point just saying,
I don't have to play against Shadow Demon, it's annoying.
But then if the alternative is all then you get to play against Largo
Say well, then I guess I could manage to play against shadow demon band the frog. Do you got a band is here?
So then I agree with that sentiment
Is it because shoutyman makes drafting harder whereas Largo you're like I know what I'm getting myself into
He's gonna be incredibly
I know we're gonna say we're gonna lose apparently that seems to be the current trend but other than that's like oh
I got to worry about these dispels. I gotta be worrying about the banish if I let a shoutyman through or something like that
but it has to be preferable.
I honestly think the big reason why teams aren't banning it
is because it's so new.
Like I think when a hero that's super crazy
with wackle timings first hits the scene,
like I think back to OG's I.O.Carrie
at whatever TI that was, TI9, yeah.
It was like people gave it a few games in a row
that kept giving it and it keeps just kick owning the game
as soon as he gets to his timing
and he just kills everyone, he's this monster of death.
Like there's these like wolf and sheep's clothing heroes.
Like, oh, it's a cute ball of light.
It's a little off for us.
Oh, he's so cute. Look at him.
Enough of him and his little friends.
And then he gets Ags and kills everyone.
It's like, oh my god.
Oh, what's happening in your villages on flames?
Like, that is these heroes.
These like, Ags guys, you know, they're not scary early game.
They don't crush you in lane.
And you don't also don't see their impact that much,
but they sort of silently just kill you all, poison your wells.
I don't know. That's these guys.
I think that part of it is like, more players, right?
Like I'm gonna be honest here. If the core players like if you get SD ulted they look at the game and they're like
I can't do anything. Yeah, I just can't play the game. I'm not out of the game. What am I supposed to do?
I just can't play I can't
But then you get Largo strung then you're taking some passive damage
It's like not dealing mental damage in the same way with you that
Getting SD purged up here. Also, would they just say I just need to farm another item guys
Yeah, or like you get to intruded on your beaker being here. This is bullshit. I don't play the game
or like, you hit the nice one creep in your face.
Because you're going to use 90 damage, you can't do anything, you can't play the game,
you can't play the...
...Bantrian, you know?
It's the power of the largaes.
It's not only the fact that in the game he's not doing as much, but the mental damage.
Although, it seems to be ramping up quite a bit.
Let's see if Liquid want to ban it as we prepare for game number two.
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your eyes do not deceive you, the back of your screen is reading correctly, parry vision
are one game up in this series, against currently the best team in the tournament.
As Liquid have found out, maybe the hard way that Largo is worth banning guaranteed in
the first phase, and they learned their lesson.
Aiden, where are the heroes that are banned at?
So, Paravision is decided to ban out Phoenix, Jukiro, and Kez.
Meanwhile, Liquid is decided to ban Triantrector, Shadowfiend, Beastmaster, and Largo.
Seems like a step in the right direction, and I think most teams will be taking notes.
I don't want to kick party vision while they're down, but if even party vision can beat Liquid
with Lurgo, and now I'm just saying that surely other teams are looking at it and like, well,
jeez, this hero seems to be as good as the specifics that I looked up in play, which
is only one loss in a group stage 2.
I actually wonder, have you seen, have you seen Ace play a long ago?
Because I know I've seen Tofu play it, I think Liquid is like the only game that plays it as a 5.
We have seen Ace play it twice.
No, we have seen Ace play it twice.
No, I believe we've seen Ace play it twice.
No, he actually lost to ParryVision with it earlier in Group Stage 1, and he beat OG with it.
Alright, I've got a question for you too, pros.
Has it ever been the case that there is a hero that people on your team, like your coach or whatever, are like,
guys, we have to play this hero, this is so good.
Yeah.
And the person that would have to play it is like, I'm not playing that, he's garbage.
Oh, right.
Yep.
And they just bang him.
Please learn this hero, play this hero.
And they just won't do it.
All the time.
Give me an example.
Okay.
You don't have to turn anyone under the bus.
I'm a Thumbnail man with Chaos Knight. When Chaos Knight was broken and Skeeter was playing all the time.
Okay.
Me with Chen, kind of. I was trying, it just wasn't working.
I think... I don't know how much I can... I can't out the players that are seductively playing.
Yeah, that's what I...
But there's definitely a lot of the cases of this interest for us at least.
So do you think that sometimes a hero... the team is just trying to down, they're like,
uh-uh, did I like this game?
I've got one that finally came out correct, collapsed Brutemother.
He was never playing Brutemother when that hero was omega broken.
And eventually we started calling it out.
He was like, just do an ass to learn Brutemother, because they were such at a trap disadvantage otherwise.
It's crazy.
And then he finally did learn it, and then they spear...
To be honest, every player has this.
I know we talked about it regarding Thinker the other day, but like, for example,
Snake and Thinker doesn't work.
I mean, Hoshka and Thinker doesn't work.
The Goaded Vs, it just doesn't work.
Interesting.
Um, so there's like some team dynamics to it, I think, or like player specific skills.
Nisha can't play Pangalore.
Yeah, Nisha, Pangalore, I guess.
Interesting.
It's not, not his best hero.
He plays somehow every, like, it's interesting because like Nisha, like, plays literally everything.
He plays Lone Druid and Arc Warden, and he plays all his spirits, and he plays Invoker.
It's like, but not bad.
But not Pangalore.
He plays Pangalore, but it ain't, it ain't his best.
Is that a new puzzle, Neil?
We got a new puzzle.
We're on puzzle number four.
We're on puzzle number four.
It seems to be a labyrinth of sorts.
Although it's fun when you just separate them and show the camera, show the camera.
All right, camera.
It is here is some kind of a double side.
I'm worried if I fail this too much, it's going to summon Pinhead.
It's not always the movies as a whole labyrinth.
Let me just separate the two medallions.
Also, part of it rotates.
So the pins are fixed.
You're rotating the the plates.
Yeah. Oh, wow.
This is interesting.
I'm surprised that Paravision didn't pick Disruptor this game, I think it's here we've
seen the most against Batrider, it's also been the most successful.
Historically very good, we talked about why it's good.
It's not great paired with Mars because it's a bit redundant, taking the catch back to
back but I'm still slightly surprised, they don't opt for it.
Although I think Winnerger Choudiman is a pretty good approach too, Winnerger that's
the issue with it is and we saw something we saw one of the other teams that
can't remember who Tundra or who it was but whenever they picked the
Winter Ranger even though the enemy had bat they still banned the Centaur because
you can put bat on another roll and then you end up with Winter Ranger against
Centaur which is probably one of her worst matchups if not even her worst
matchup from carry to off lane. Winter Ranger kind of just kicks everybody out
over the course of the lane and Centaur nobody kicks Centaur whenever he's a little
five special heroes to rely on right clicking in.
Yeah, I mean, it's definitely tough.
The SD way better synergies with Mars, I think,
important to note is all compared to the Shadow...
I mean, the SD and Disruptor are both main heroes against Bat.
They're both quite nice in different ways.
SD, you have the Shard, you have the Purge.
We talked about how Bat likes to run around.
That's how he deals damage, he runs on top of you.
So with Shadow Demon's Purge,
you can prevent him from being a hero for a long period of time.
Then I should be assuming that this is going to be a 9 class win ranger then
and Satanic is going to have to pick a different hero.
I don't know if Satanic or 9 class really plays win run.
Yeah, he has not this tournament so far. They've only given win ranger to Satanic.
I don't think I've ever seen it before.
I don't think so either. I've seen his Shadow Demon, I never want to see that again.
So there's no weird to call his 5.
I think you're just stuck with a Windranger carry. I mean it's not obviously not a good matchup, but it's like fine
I think bad writer 4 is also not like super inspiring. Oh, it's pretty bad
So you just like draft trade off here is like both teams are kind of giving a little bit
That's also kind of bad with centaur I would say I
Mean it's not that it's okay. Yeah, there's not ideal. It's not ideal. They have some give and takes there's some good parts about it
It's not the end of the world by any means
But if you're thinking about perfect combos, that is not one.
Yeah, exactly.
Do I float the idea of the Mikay bat rider?
And Nisha Razor?
Yeah, and Wally.
I think with the Worm it's less likely.
I don't know, the lane matchup for Razor is quite decent against Worm, right?
Yeah.
But if the Worm does fine, and then we can just jungle, and he'll be okay.
And it's not necessarily like a great game matchup.
I think for Nish, it's kind of nice to have a hero that scales well into the game,
because he's a natural playstyle where he wants his hero to scale up into the game and become like
a threat. I think for example with the fuck in the last game what was really nice about it is that
he had avenues to scale and become kind of like the main core almost at some point if needed.
I think if I just look at this draft I would think it's more of a Mickey Razor but obviously
Liquid will look at everything as a whole and decide what's the best thing for the draft here and go
for that. Part of vision, angle to protect at least one ban for the Storm Spirit. They
ban out the Huskar and Liquid, actually this is a rare instance that this Flark does not
get saved for a ban until the very end of the draft. Usually this nine class Flark gets
guaranteed first phased all the time. Interesting. Yeah, because they're not sure whether this
Wind Ranger is going either. If they really want to continue it with Satanic and going
into the Stentar matchup, so be it, but then they really don't want 9-class to
pull a fast one at the very end.
This is one of these rare drafts that I think it's not actually decided yet
whose draft is favorite. I think the last picks actually determine a lot. I can
see arguments for both sides. Yeah. There's interesting responses, like
Ian said, they're sort of giving a little bit on either side because there's
some twist in turns that you stack a little bit to get the Stentar. Stentar
is really good against Shadow Neiman and because that now it's a really good
storm game because your support duo is kind of weird. Like each of these
thubs to quit things opens up weakness to counter something the enemy has so you
keep getting counterpicked in a way because you keep opening up weaknesses.
It's interesting I feel like it's quite high-level drafting from both teams. I
mean we've criticized parties drafts in the past but I think today they're
really like they're showing up and I think they're picking good heroes and
they're picking very smart and they're creating tricky situations. I wonder if
liquid are considering picking Kaz because we see him ours. I think it was
First is yes first space but it's first time. Oh, I missed that completely. Okay, then never mind the next response
I've seen the most is something along lines of like a DK
Which is okay against storm out of okay against winner. Not like Giga
They do have last fix of like if it's winning your carry or not, right? Very nice for them
Florida are still in the pool
Because the minus armor strats in San Diego
We're having a serious draft here, okay?
That's not me, but I'm not.
However, Slaughter is a decent pick here.
It kind of makes sense, there's a lot of heroes that he's good against, plus you have the synergy between Razor and Slaughter.
You have to double minus armor, get together, stacking up.
So when you have two heroes that provide minus armor, they synergize very well together.
The closer you get somebody's armor to zero, the more it actually does.
What does he say? Cap. That's Cap.
That's the caster, that's sitting up there.
The skater doesn't even know who the captain is.
The Alston Walsh.
Oh my god, they're picking Ember Spirit into Storm Spirit,
and they are actually going to do 9-class onto the Shadow Demon.
Last pick of the Disruptor for Decalus.
This is not that black and white for Liquid.
I think a lot of other games their draft has been favored,
or like clearly scales better.
This is a great Ember game, but...
Like Razor is flying in Shadow Demon against Winter Ranger, like Razor will not be the end of BL Carry this game.
Now you've got Centaur to change things a little bit, but on top of that there's a Glimp.
So there's a lot of give and take, there's a lot of counter play.
I think I'd probably favor Liquid in this game, but it's not super black and white.
Yeah, I would say this is, like, I think we both agree, this is a game that's going to come down to gameplay.
It's not really like a draft for either side.
side they have certain advantages certain disadvantages and it's going to be
about how well are you able to prevent the enemy from exploiting your
weaknesses and how well are you able to exploit the enemy team's weaknesses so
then in terms of the most one-sided weaknesses Quinn the win ranger versus
centaur versus I guess the shout even versus bat those are the two biggest I
got ya heroes yeah I would say like storm and just a really good storm game
It's probably the biggest gotcha there like this woman 18 is quite powerful. It's like storm versus stops that don't really deal with them
Well, and like you said the wind ranger
Santor is like the obvious one. We need ace, you know
You need to see stuff from ace. I would eat these stuff from no one
It's gonna be galvanizing it up Ted. You're uh, you're casting performances fantastic game. No, I wouldn't say that
I'm gonna get a non-core. No, I think that
People probably hate it, I haven't read anything about it, but I'm gonna go ahead and assume.
I saw nothing, but I think they loved it.
It's the worst cast, 2025.
And in 2026, whatever.
See, I don't even know what the f***ing year it is.
Let's get it again.
2012.
2012.
What's past 1990?
Let's go into the game.
Let's get into it.
Cap SVG, take it away.
For game number two.
And up to the end of Game 1, it has Partyvision up a game against the undefeated Team Liquid.
They need two games to win out the series, though it does sound like our panel is pretty
optimistic about Partyvision's chances as am I.
I like their draft quite a bit.
solid they're a really good form game for no one who is a monster on this year
it's me this is his signature hero no matter what the critics say very good
game for Nisha last pick as well so these two spear pros gonna go up against
each other potentially just run the map when the game for the team solo says
speared off that's right the war not trying to take the body room but it said
I did hit by the plasma field, pushed him away, but I do not want to make that trade.
Let's put the Readsville for first blood.
I do, I think I like Pari's drafts slightly better, but I will say, are all drafts equal?
No.
Why not?
Clearly not.
No, not it.
No, I'm not.
Not it? No, I'm not.
Jesus, not that sense, man.
What sense?
Let's say I take this party draft,
and I put it in a hundred different games.
Is it equal strength in all 100 of those games?
No.
Ignoring the enemy draft?
I'm saying no.
Well, I'll just get time for it.
You can really trust it.
No, it's dependent on individual player performance
make a draft actually work okay yeah so yeah I feel that if parry had played
this exact draft against liquid six after after even one I would like it
less because I think it's a very high execution lineup yes and I think it's a
variable minimum base lineup where they're gonna have to get aggressive at
some point and execute the fights very well with storms up in lane and some
shackles landing some spear we knows clutch disruptions kiting the razor like
Like, maybe instead of a static storm on December, like, there's a lot of high executional little variants in the mechanic workmanship of a teamfight with this draft.
And I think because they won Game 1, they have some confidence, they have some momentum now.
I'm kind of okay with them doing this, I think this draft will perform better for them potentially.
But if they had just picked this Game 1 after losing like 6 in a row, then morale is low.
And they're not coming into it with some momentum and some, like, high off a win.
I like the draft less.
Okay, I can kind of buy that momentum, so a weird thing in Dota.
I think it's easier to gauge in other games.
Well, I think there are other factors.
I'll present you with an alternative argument.
Okay.
For example, I think when teams clamp up, when the tensions and anxiety are very high,
such as big games at TI or whatever, they tend to skew more towards ease of execution
and heavy teamfight, because some of that laning prowess and individual mechanical ability
goes out the window because people are a little more stressed.
Sure, you're less likely to take risks or you're more likely to lead with set plays rather than
just group up, take the fight, go in with the ravage, it's easy.
And therefore I think those drafts are stronger in those situations whereas somebody's like lane
domination and executional drafts are stronger when the pressure is in a time. But the draft can
be the exact same. So I think some nice people don't consider those like little X factors there.
But how's the long-winded story to say, uh, I think this is very close to me.
Well, Liquid Razor is always difficult to beat.
I don't really care what your draft is.
Yeah, this team with Razor is just a different beast.
Especially Mikae Razor in terms of the scaling factor,
I think his Razor is better than almost everybody else's
because how well he plays it in the leaky.
And how consistently he gets there, too.
And that's assuming that there are initial gameplay, which a lot of times like to build momentum and kick you off from the map goes wrong
Like to me that's the backup plan and the backup plan is a mega stroke
So which which is kind of why the fury on is also really good, right? Yeah, I feel like they're very similar in that regard though the fury on perhaps
Not that good in the meta right now. I mean, it's not I don't know
I felt like watching that last game the usual situations where fury on like Mickey gets really far and then he
Just dance there right clicking people usually that works
Didn't seem to work in that game to be fair that weaver isn't he has incredible ultra late power
Yeah, that's kind of the emphasis. Yeah, what fury on wants a good match up for weaver
There's nothing he can really either consider it the order
So this game the question is is you gonna end up in a situation where you have to feel late
There's all kinds of weird shit going on in this game. Jesus
Yeah, between all the back landing. Let's go like they've been back landing
There's a lot of pulling behind tier one and tier two towers. There's all of a sudden two supports here in the middle lane
Off of water room timings. I mean so what a liquid first blood a little wacky and wild especially
What box he's doing modern he's just been pulling these waves all over
harassing the small camp he's just kind of been put in a weird spot and
I don't think the overall outcome for liquid has been that great
Especially if he dies here. This would be really rough. There's a level 2 glimpse. He's probably gonna get it.
I'll get it now.
Disruption glimpse is not even necessary because he is, but in a hole in the Firefly Zone.
He has no HP whatsoever.
The lane pulling did not work out for this at all.
He really got abused early. Couldn't get to that helm.
You get it now. So we'll get the heal come back full with helm.
be a lot more sustainable lane.
He'll start to find a lot more here.
It's okay here to have a slow start.
Could bear that to Mars versus Razor.
Mars has been able to do a bit more with that.
23, 13, 13 to nice.
That's really nice.
Trade-off with all this though is that Liquid put a little more attention towards mid.
And Nisha is...
Cookin' with that first blood.
Or the extra gold here, I should say
So he's on a very nice pace for this vessel timing
That's a good sign. You see how much work you can do on this hero
Not a lot of direct lockdown for like there's there is lockdown in this party lineup
But again, I think a lot of it is potentially dodgeable
The disruptor lockdown you can dodge shackling you can dodge these shows gonna try and remnant steel and
and ends up getting the timing a little off there.
I know the shield rune.
A little early on that one.
Not the best rune for the six minute though, so.
Nothing crazy here.
No one's gonna be able to do with this.
Do you think the peak of storm has been higher
this event than the peak event?
So I think they're close.
Yeah, I think it's a little close.
Like, BCM had a very good Ember Spirit, uh, the other game, but just from, like, memory,
I feel like Storm Spirit has popped off a lot more.
I mean, Ag Storm, it's a cooler play, right?
The Ag's Ember Spirit, he's zippered all around, he's jumping, but it's kind of like
the damage is very spread.
Storm Spirit Ags?
Like, you have a, a really, a feeling you've got when you're like, damn, he just hit like
Four different heroes with electric vortex, you know, by the way, what is this cosmetic flash?
That would be the crimson witness on something I
Mean center has some sort of crimson witness. Yeah, I that one does not cause it
Well, there's no way this is a normal thing that's happening, so it's real funky real disco. Yeah, I guess
Maybe they're surprising us.
Party quite happy with this, anyways.
Other than how fat this Ember Spirit is, he's doing stacks too. It's gonna be a very fast vessel. Holy.
It's not the best vessel game though.
That's kind of the only downside here. Damn it's he gonna have it quick, and it's just a lot of damage around the map.
Round two.
He missed it again.
No one keeps on getting him.
Just unfortunately for him, they're just not really close.
No.
Fantastic power runes.
Still good resources as both these mids are just trying to farm stacks.
So the mana for no one is pretty much going to Streets build.
Nine class.
Heals a bounty rune, waste some of his mana, and TP's out.
No one straight in the bottom looking for the centaur and they're probably finding here.
That's a level 5 centaur even with the fancy lights.
Not getting out of that one.
The static remnant, the blue lights coming out of the storm and the red lights coming
out of the centaur.
There needs to be a warning on this game.
This disruptor is mega high level.
He's already level 5 and the centaur is still level 5 himself.
He's just not finding a lot in this game, man.
box you keep pulling waves and stacking and playing a little greedy on this bat
rider he's kind of playing for himself more than the lane overall for the for
both of them and you can argue that the overall network out of the lane is the
same as what the Mars has gotten up top so it's not as if they've lost value it's
just a lot of it is taken away from since our put in the bat earlier can get
paid back in the fights and everything so it just depends who you want to have a
a better start on. And I can see an argument that getting a slightly better start for this
Batrider so that he can start to pick up the pace more. I can see that being pretty valid.
They're really setting up each step for success. That is, Vessel done. Nine and a half minutes.
Level nine, he's off monster right now. Holy, he needs charges though. He's got to find some
What was that? 8 stacks to 11?
So a little bit more stacking on liquid.
Not that I should realize those stacks.
Okay, 10 minute power rune, that one will go to Nisha.
And he gets an amp damage. That's just not really fair.
Like you get out clicked on two different power runes but they're useless ones.
The ones you finally get is like a super impactful amp damage.
He popped it instantly though. It's true, he didn't get anything here.
Triple S came down to bottom lane, Ace walked back into the stadium here, he wanted entrance.
He got it. Welcome to the show stuff.
Why didn't he keep running?
There's a glimpse there no matter what anyway. Probably just accepting his death.
And his helm has been mega delayed. He's trying to get the Dom so he can farm up a little.
How are you doing? A really nice job of confusing him.
The trade-off will be free farm up top for Micky.
You bring all these resources to the centaur, the Razor is going to gobble up a lot more.
So this Razor Ember are going to be super strong around the map.
And I think Liquid are still fine with that trade-off.
These are the heroes you want enabled in this game.
Tofu's come down here because he's not used to seeing his off-laner being bullied so badly.
He says, Box... See? That's what I'm talking about! There it is! It goes to the middle part of the map!
Okay, called me a liar.
It shouldn't do that.
Wow.
got him anyway. I might eat good for the golem. Maybe you should have disregarded what I told you.
I didn't doubt it, I just said I... This has to be only for the first one, right? There's
a way it does this for every golem. Even if the golems are all unique.
Huh. How true. Like I said, I think it's ended up pretty well for the golem because it's taking a
whole 0-1 bit. It actually is, it's a key dragon push. You've worked out really nicely,
So Nisha is going to join alongside the golem. The golem is finally slain.
And he still got the kill. They just ruptured off of that golem drop anyway, so...
Well now Tofu's joining in.
Chains on three. That was beautiful from Nisha. That actually saves Tofu's life.
What a buddy.
Nisha... Oh, he doesn't have any redness here. Jumping back.
Okay, he got outside of the static storm, into the redness.
Oh, there was the wind ranger on the other side, but he couldn't finish off Nisha now
He gets blasted stalled up a little bit hit by the flamethrower now triple S's turn
Everybody's gonna have a go at Nisha, but nobody can finish him off
He really threw the whole kitchen sink in
Man oh
A power shot in the spear, they caught him in the end, wait!
He's out of remnant.
Demonic purge, he's out of remnant, he'll die here.
Here comes Mickey, Mickey hits him with a plasma shield,
face in good position, hit a stomp, hits on two,
doesn't hit, triple S though, none of these heroes are quite yet dead for party vision,
it's party vision, picking them apart.
Now no one's gonna join in, they got nothing out of this.
Okay, they got one out of this, nine class, nine class does not die to Roshan.
Early back on the store doing work, he got,
A usage off mid when they were all there, and he got another usage later in this fight.
So that's just super-valued early mechanism from the mid, which is why they're winning these early engagements.
It just negates so much the early nuke damage.
Liquid are forced to bring the Razor into this to try and clean up.
Well, further accelerate mid case, dude. He's getting to that scary point where it's like, uh...
You gotta do something about this guy soon.
Might just run away with it, but hey, they got Nisha.
They did. They did get him.
Nobody escapes 18 party vision spells in a row.
Let's not.
Dear Lord.
I will say the static storm was a little ambitious, but no lockdown.
Oh yeah, trying to stop him from jumping.
Yeah, it was what I kind of understand.
It's one of those moments you're thinking,
should I throw this? Is he really gonna die?
No, and then he's getting low enough.
You're like, oh, he might actually die.
So you throw it.
He's gonna fall.
14 minute power rune, but
mass group of heroes here from parry vision smoked up and everything no one gets
well triple let's get to regen rune no one gets a kill or satanic does i guess and once more parry
bringing five heroes to this mid lane triple us on the top rune satanic on the bottom triangle area
they are just denying this ember any sort of early gameplay with the star he had a smart idea you
don't want to let esha run away with this without barbie is you have to early grease on the storm
So when you group up like this you already have an aura. It's pretty impossible for liquid to take that fight
Static storm is also a massive threat. You can disrupt this embered in a static storm. It's kind of nasty
So some nice really moves here from party still a liquid golden that tells you how well the lanes and
The farm for the razor is gone. Just make a doing make a things up here
160 CS on this razor
That is pretty dank, it's almost level 13.
The next highest level on Parry by the way is just about to hit level 11.
So he is significantly far ahead in terms of experience.
He's playing through so many ancient games this game.
Probably won't see him make a move until that VKB is done.
I have to imagine with how strong Parry vision is getting.
just hard to really get in there against glint and arena just too much to move
this razor around once he gets BKB nice rundown hi Iris I guess this the last you
just want to run into without BKB it feels like you're not gonna do as much
as your net worth shows which is where party vision smoke might be successful
so they're gonna run right in ten make a nine class well chance he dies for this
But they certainly have to kill on me. Yeah, that's for sure
That's probably why I didn't want to go into fight chains on a three
With the flame break to go for the lasso on the shadow team and to make sure there's no more disruption save sound here
Tofu trying to hold on to this up. He will get speared
You got off a wand that delayed his death just a little bit enough for Nisha to work with
Yes, he can't it already down to half HV thread hit the shackle shot nothing lats you though
he's low as
As is Nisha, Foxy, and Nisha kind of chasing after him, but they've already used Stampede.
I was waiting for the glimpse on the gold just to see what happens, but we won't find out.
Decent damage coming out from these stupid laners in that battle.
Stick chains from Nisha, just finds the right angles, gets in there, locks them all down on that little ramp.
It's a nightmare scenario for party.
A lot of damage block in this game early.
The Pov is on line class, hits the work there, he already has Fuller Crest done.
How else did you see the Chip Fests?
It was really messing up Satanic.
When he focus fired the...
That's why he backed off.
He was killing himself on Nisha and the goal I'm saving him wasn't even the Ember.
It was just all this random attrition damage.
Otherwise, I think you just commit in there.
Liquid just continuing to slowly build this leap. A lot of it is coming from the Batrider, getting an extra farm in the mapbox.
He's kind of been farming his top line, and he's got a blub now.
I think he will pull ahead of these supports almost no matter what.
He's set up on tofu, little pick-offs like this.
Galvanized stacks are worth a lot because of Galvanized stacks.
Up to 11.
They even find that D-Ware down there. That might be more valuable than that kill.
I think we'd have no wards on the map.
Is that correct?
Matt's gone dark.
It's very rare for them.
They've got a very good vision this whole thing.
He used to pull in the mid wave around, standing here for the power rune.
Don't disseminated it said essence ring plus crimson guard. That's a tough kill. Oh, yeah, he's super beating a great crazy
Really gonna be annoying for satanic in these early fights
See Tannock also gonna be going second item BKB will be a little bit slower than Mickey's BKB, which is
About to be done in the next minute or two
So we will have this gap where Liquid will have the advantage in that regard.
I thought to the Razor and the Ember here.
So they really want to get something done with that timing.
Even if they don't, I guess if they don't get any hero kills or teamfight wins,
they probably can just ensure if they get Tormentor at least.
I'd say it's theirs to take, probably would have to probably smoke the winter
ranger in to take that fight. It's very risky. Without BKV on satanic, him
engaging is... it looks really difficult. I think it's a similar position for both
carries. If he goes in there and gets chained or lassoed, he's just gonna get
melted with all this magic damage.
I mean, he can't focus fire at the center, and he can't focus fire at the end of the sphere.
Right there, last one of your boxy.
There's not enough for it, but, uh...
Satanic is not foolish enough to push forward.
Liquid is gonna play super disciplined. They get their BKB deliveries, not going for any stupid plays.
You can bait him in this warlock a little bit.
Seeing if Pari bite. They do not.
Probably just setting up to give this Tormentor away, they don't have any interesting contest
in it.
And it's interesting Liquid are going to push into them instead of going back for the Tormentor.
Stay tannic, power shots to the wave, they keep pushing into mid, they go back, they're
going to take out the support, she's got to call us, not an amazing kill for them.
I would have almost been more efficient to just do the storm in third.
I can't really know that, of course.
Yeah, but now you've got the satisfaction of killing their ancients.
True.
True.
And you get the pull mid-waves with the heads up the omplay.
Taking a lot of the waves off the map.
Even if the move itself didn't feel too great.
You're going to get the objective you came here for.
Mickey with the rest of the eye the storm smart that he teed beads back to just
Make sure they got
Enough because they certainly needed a lot of that eye the storm minus armor if only three of them are gonna be hitting inch shard goes to tofu
Stampede ace you can get there in time. Let's stop and triple less the CD a away
How does he keep me to us long like that?
It was just not long. You started late I guess. Yeah, you started late.
Nice little pick off. Ember controlling the map.
Yisha probably going to get more aggressive now that he has his BKB not afraid of static
storm. What else is there to control him in this game?
We're going to have to land some clutch shackle or spear chained into the other to kill this
guy.
Really difficult.
This game could go really long here.
I think both teams have the ability to split push lanes and knock-in, well, in theory, knock-in
knock-in.
Both teams have the heroes to go catch people when they're trying to split lanes, so...
Probably the bat is the best at it here.
Yeah.
Especially since he's support.
Doesn't have to show on the map as much.
It's also boxy, sporty.
up these plays by new people making the play calls he's in the position to do
that they will smoke so I think I'm gonna call us again he is just blocking
them off from being able to get to bigger initiations like satanic it's
definitely triple S who whoops that was a spear in the wrong direction back to
back guess on this midway box he spotted they still make a jump onto the
Razor at the same time box the underneath the shackle shot not dead yet all these fields
Okay, they finally finish them off here comes the stampede to cause trying to protect himself the static storm though
Okay, Mickey he didn't get it onto anything and with the disruption on the embers spirit
He couldn't immediately kill to cause now he's gonna chase him down or need to tear three tower going in pretty deep with a plasmus field
They do finally get it make a half HP being focused down by no one to bless from back in a play with satanic
And they take out Mige.
That's a 5-Aff on the Mars, so you gotta find something here if you're party.
Don't want to disrupt her to get the glimpses.
He's got an arena.
Ace is gonna go back and stomp them here.
Saying that they want to keep this by calling.
Oh, God, a beautiful spear!
Nisha still had a rending out.
He's gonna go and fight at triple S.
Are they just lacking in the damage to deal with this Ember spear?
Can they not handle him?
Surrounded by Prowlers everywhere, donges the spear with a slight, still gets more damage,
the fatal bonds, Nisha just jumps back.
What?
Did he get glimpsed?
Or did he jump back?
Yeah, glimpsed.
I thought he had the slight.
It was very close on the cooldowns.
I had to wait.
That's a really weird fight for part.
You get the chase down, you get the catch you want, and then you just don't have any damage
You know, you don't have a focus fire.
Very awkward.
As Liquid are able to walk that one up, they do lose the razor.
Kind of sucks for them, but it's a Mars buyback.
Look at Ace slowing them down with the old pine cone.
It is pretty funny, I didn't realize that every single hit slows you.
They've won a great spear, and yet they just are lacking in damage.
He kinda just didn't focus the Ember here, he's going for Ace at first, then he's going for Tofu.
Seems like so damn tanky.
For the extra thing.
Dang, Triple S is lucky to get out of here at this point.
Oh, it's called Steep, he didn't miss it.
Yeah, I thought he was almost gonna get the slide off there.
Got a second off.
Back in the real time, trying to hunt the Ember spirits at top lane.
Nisha had to rent it out mid-bill.
You just...
Renting them away from the Storm Spirit.
Very tough to kill these two mids in this game.
Slight chain.
Need to lasso.
For a cheap little kill for Liquid.
Up 7k and pushing Tier 2s.
Part vision, we said the BKBs.
Their timing was just gonna be a bit slower.
I've got the BKB.
On Satanic.
Triple S though, because of the buyback.
His is very delayed.
It's gonna hurt.
Liquid is just controlling the map better.
Power this Bat Rider.
Taking people scared to show on waves, setting up some of these plays, taking a lot of farm
while he's off the map, so you're not feeling bad about scaling or out farming your opponents
here if you're liquid.
Mars has been set back significantly.
And you have your pipe crimson sent off.
So any of those teamfights, Liquid are going to welcome them with open arms.
Come into our aura ball right now.
We are invincible.
Greaves, Hype, Crimson, Warlock Heal, Eston's Rings.
Is Liquid able to force Hari Vichy to fight them though?
Will they be willing to go high ground to make it happen?
It might be.
This Ranger is incredibly tanky right now, with the Orr behind him.
Look at this, they're gonna take the risk.
Golem on top, no Roshan needed.
Bye bye Golem.
It's an aggressive jump though.
It really was.
Static Storm goes out, Boksy tries to get the last one initiation on, stay tanted for the
Static Storm's a knight in that opportunity.
The kids getting a bit low here, as is Tofu and the Scentar, they're just all gonna die
die off of the initiation there to jump in from ace, ill-advised, and liquid.
Damn, Nier, get wiped!
It's gonna be four heroes dead.
That is such a...
unexpected play from ace.
Because I feel that entire game in run in those two years solidified them as one of the best
early high ground teams.
Yep.
Maybe in the history of the game.
And they were extremely disciplined about it, and one of the biggest rules of high ground is that you almost never jump as a high grounder deep into enemy base, unless you are significantly far ahead because you are giving full formation, full defensive capabilities to your opponent, plus 5 acts, plus vision in the fight.
For him to do like that, like that, was just kind of insane.
trying to contest Roshan, which parry vision they were going to get for free, should still
get for free off of that successful team fight.
That's a big step back for Liquid in this game.
They had a lot of momentum.
They could have Rosh during that time, and I think it would have been a free Rosh.
So they lost a lot forcing that high ground and forcing that jump like that, just overconfidence
with the oars they have.
Yeah, like, theoretically, the play on paper is just to go high ground, force them, force
their partner to come back, and then because they're back in their base, you go roach.
I guess the Golden God close back to mid, that kind of sucks to your push.
Bossy jumping into status form was a huge deal there as well.
If he has BKB, maybe you just last with a damage, you can burst him down.
But this fight kind of looks difficult no matter what, once you're behind that kill one.
The storm is going to output a bunch of damage.
He's not going to last long because the priority is on the Wind Ranger.
If he can go fountain, he'll jump you again.
Like there's a lot that can go wrong for liquid in a fight like that.
Now an Aegis on the Wind Ranger and a Shield Rune on the Stormtrip.
So it's a great tank, he'll be way more aggressive about his focus fire knowing he's got the extra life.
I agree, I have to watch as many spikes as the glimpse on the gold, it's actually just hella annoying.
Yeah, I think it's really bad.
It's just a straight counter.
It just removes the gold from the fight every time instantly.
Which is pretty much the point of the hole.
You don't really care as much about this mini stun in these engagements.
If you can get a stun on some BKB core, that's max value for...
What are you saying? That he should have dropped the gold before they went high ground and walked it up to the high end?
Maybe, yeah.
That's too funny.
Legit would have been better than what happened.
For sure, no, for sure.
I think you either drop it early so it doesn't get cleansed, or you hold it for the fight.
Oh dear.
Three minutes on the Aegis here, for part.
They still have that shield or two that you mentioned, so they're looking quite tanky right now.
Datalus on the Winter Ranger is going to give you the damage.
Yeah, they effectively have two lives on...
You know the scariest part about this game is you call us?
He's getting close to an axe. He's just rushing it.
Oh, he really is. Holy cow.
Yeah, he's only eight after that.
Like, one teamfight, he's gonna have it.
And this game becomes really scary because you can disrupt people into this ag static storm.
So you have some extra setup synergy.
I mean, arena two.
Arena spirit with a static storm on top.
Pretty nasty.
No one hunting up top, but that is a tanky boy.
Not even worth the mana.
Did they know the Windranger isn't here, so Liquid, Power Ranger T being in, no one is
going to back off, no possibilities here, Axe is finally going to get Tanisha.
He needs to keep scaling this game.
The Sceptar's full utility is not going to offer you a lot of damage, so you need to
make sure your Razor Ember or two of the highest net worth heroes in this game dealing with
Majority is not all the damage because they have to activate fatal bombs here too.
There's going to be a farming period for a party with these ages. They aren't going to be out far.
Which is a little ironic.
Maybe they get tormentor here though.
I would be a winner.
It was a shard left.
What's the next class of items?
It's on Solar Deliver, just trying to survive versus the Ember, helped you call survive
too.
We'll get the shard to store, okay.
Well that is, that's the high roll there for sure.
That's what I was looking at, because they bought some of these early raids.
Yeah, they bought the Shatternium and Shard already.
So you could have rolled Disruptor, which would have been the lowest value one, but
there was a chance you rolled no one there.
God, it's damn juicy right there.
Superfoul you shard in this game.
They're just gonna smoke, so...
Aggs coming in for Deucalus.
Still a vageous for a minute, they're gonna look for a play.
Very confident with whoever they run into just drop Aggs' static storm.
Could be the fight.
Getting onto each other here.
Really? Awkward.
Almost got the last note. Doesn't quite get it.
BKB immediately.
Miike wants to take this fight.
And he's trying to take out Night Class right away, but it's not working fast.
They have to TP. Oh, oh, God, they put it...
Oh, God, the BKBs TP away correctly, but they still got out.
How does Mikkei get out of there?
Oh, Jakalus, snagged by the slight of fist, he was trying to set up there on Nisha.
There is no way Mikkei should escape from that fight.
That was so sad. I mean, that... that... yes.
Mikkei should have died there. Also, Jakalus has the axe, so...
There was a chance there he kills Nisha.
with the setup that he had, but he got hit by the slide.
I think Ligra gets out of here just because this play is so chaotic.
Like, you're not expecting this, you're just thinking,
what the hell's happening? Are they all heroes?
You know, you're in defense mode instead of offense.
Yeah, and you don't click these heroes and look at the timer.
Got the vortex on the one hero that could get out there and not the other one.
not the other one. That could have been very costly play for, like, for them.
Walk into it. That would be the ages period for party.
Linkin's one, and I know another Linkin's trying to be built for Satanic.
So, this little window where you don't have Linkin's on Satanic is a little smoother.
It is, for sure. Do have disruptions or maybe bail him out?
You don't have a blink on the Shadowed even. A little harder position for that.
Do you have a Lincoln's on no one though?
Which is worth thinking about.
He can't throw it on to say can't like,
if there's a fight during this period.
I will say this series has been very strange
in terms of the power level of teams
relative to who is ahead.
Because this is the second game in a row
where Liquid have held the lead the entire game.
But he has not felt like it.
No, it doesn't feel like it.
I don't think they feel as if they're ahead right now and the funny thing is they have been ahead the entire game
There's not been a single net worth Brett's Pee Weed Safari
Since minute one. Heart! Holy cow. He's got a heart. I mean this boy is just untouchable
Which I never know how to feel about heart on Centaur
Make sure Crimson better
Yes, and that in turn helps the rest of the team
But he's definitely going to be ignored in a fight.
Okay, that is a...
We just killed him.
He just took out the Batrider, but it got linked in return!
And that's not good at all!
The arena trying to protect St. Tannix, St. Tannix,
played around the walls, bent to camp,
and he can't get through the walls,
but maybe the Ember Spirit can.
He sits through them,
smoked through a keyhole,
trying to chase down Nisha,
gets him in the end,
the chains,
now the stop onto the storm!
It got him control,
he's got a little bit of manner to work,
when Zips over to the other side,
tippies away!
Cool down on the chains,
cool down on the stop.
What a fight from Liquid, though.
Boxy, sacrificial, goes in, forces the early ag static storm that opens up the fight for
the rest of the heroes, and he focused fire at the bat, which, yeah, looks kind of good
on paper because you killed the bat instantly and your disruptor lives, but he already killed
the static storm, so how much did that matter?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then you don't have to focus fire for this razor, Mickey.
It's a field day for you.
He just runs in, links, goes to town.
See how much no one can do in this defense, but this should be a life on the way.
Very little man, I caught him in the chain, Svex.
Knight class, can you help out no one?
He's got Jilka.
You don't have to sit back, and that's fine.
This is a lot of time wasted.
He's created.
As long as Knight class doesn't die, I'm on a cleanse, trying to get him away.
He'll stop the chains and won't stop the damage, though.
Look, we gotta be careful.
There's Glimpses here.
And there's Bi-Vex.
Glimps back on Micky.
You don't have BKV to die fall out of here.
No good for Fari. This will be the lane. If we take their victory and Roshan's spawning
in one second, it is up. Top side for a good chunk of time here. See if Liquid go back
and try and snag that. How did he regret this focus firing in hindsight?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think he instantly regretted it.
Because it put him in range for Mickey to get the go.
The fact he almost lifts you is insane, you know what I mean?
Do you remember when this Arcana for Razor made it so if you were close enough, you'd melee hit?
Nisha!
Forced himself the static storm!
And kills Decolas.
I mean, Decolas, he got that axe, but he's just not getting any value out of it.
Liquid are doing a really good job forcing him into a terrible position.
Just jump on top of him with pre-cast DKB.
He has no choice for me. Either drop it or just die.
Save the cooldown.
You still have lasso.
Feel like good, but uh, Roshan.
They threw on the high ground before.
Yes. This should do Roshan.
Do not do the same thing.
There's no way they don't just go Rosh here.
The Roshan's just so slow.
Ready?
See the one factor for them? They're trying to consider.
Yeah, I mean, I get it.
Surely you have to do it at some point, so...
Now or never. They're missing the level 25 talents, dude.
They have a 24 ember and a 24 razor.
Little sad for them that they're so close to these big 25 talents.
Roche dying slowly. They get the high ground blood. Ward, par vision.
Yeah, let's know what's going to step into the pit right now and take away that Aegis
so he gets in there.
Roshan roars, Mikkei!
He's been summed up!
Who's going to get the Aegis?
Mikkei!
Grunzen!
Right in front of no one!
Now the last one!
Triple S!
Before he can get out the arena!
The arena goes out now!
But the damage is already done!
They got the extra life!
They've killed Triple S!
And Static!
Well Static just can't get through this horseman!
Ace!
He guards the entrance!
Only really the Storm and the Blink Dagger heroes can get past him!
Static Storm no shot of bringing this Centaur down unless you're willing to come in everything from the winter a drop top of it
Which just feels like it opens up too much of the fight
You've got the Roche kill you did not get the Aegis banner as well for liquid here
That's the game plan here from the Stormsphere. He's got some of the behind goes for Minkei with the focus fire
But he can't it got stung so he didn't get much damage there shackles shot and a pin onto the
You don't want to hit this guy, you don't want to hit this guy, he's got a heart.
He's happy, he's being able to kill him.
Okay, they're actually doing it.
I mean, it cost him panic like a third of his HP, but I guess Liquid couldn't do anything
to help him.
Can Liquid turn here, though?
He went for the warlock on that glimpse.
Oh, what a shackleshot!
Stopping Mikkei!
Now the spear to follow it up.
Beautiful kiting here from Parry, visioning the Focus Fires back up in the second life.
When he comes back, see, Tanik's still going to have that Focus Fires, Mikkei's going to
be in trouble.
BKB activated, here comes that focus fired, oh, spear, it didn't hit the cut, it pushed him away, but it's fine, they got the kill anyway, they got the dump, they got the triple, they TANIC, trying to get away, but Nisha locks him down with the shackles, so is no one, no one, as well as the old god, he sneaks up, bounces all over the place like a deadly pinball, he kills two or three, jumping after triple, as for the final blow here, you'll get one more out of this, man, he almost wiped them.
Absolute monster, 9-1 and 10. As that teamfight looks over for Liquid, you forgot about me.
Nisha on the Ember, level 26 now. He extends his kill total, 8,000 damage coming out from him.
And he couldn't even really do anything in the first half of that fight. Just all clean-up duty.
Six shackles from Satanic. As Paria trying to battle through multiple lives on the Razor.
The ditch I'm thinking here is they could have backed off at multiple times in this fight too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, parry are the ones in control.
You can back off here, right?
You could just go heal, get more mana on the storm, but no one says I want to push it.
I want to try and find glances here, find something, even with the low mana pool.
And it looks so good too!
Shackle and despair!
But look at these fire on the nature shield.
He's just running down your supports.
Yeah.
He's full resources here.
This is where I thought it, it looks murky for liquid because you get the shackle, you
get the spear, you clean up the razor a second time.
How much can you show really do here, right?
Well, you can do a lot.
I mean, Fatal Bond certainly helps with like, Fist, like, Fist hitting two or three heroes
while they're Fatal Bonded to each other, just amping up the damage like crazy.
And he almost killed Fajand.
Best will pick them down to 100 HP.
Wow.
So he almost got a rampage.
Full team wipe out.
But you just would I guess he was only on the triple so close
But that'll give him his 25 talent with eggs with refresher with him damage
Timeless rattle cage as well this ember is doing so much damage. He needs to be dealt with
Or he will win the team fight and that's up to to call us right? I mean unless you really really
yeah, I
I think there are a few things Parry can work towards.
One is the focus fire talent for when Ranger would be nice.
The other is Axe for Storm.
Putting the blue hole in this game, looking for multiple pulls, that can change this game a lot.
Especially with the 25 for Storm with the overload bounces, that's a huge damage spike for them.
And I'd say the hex on Mars is another big item.
So there's still some big timings here for Parry to try and scale,
but Liquid are getting to the ultra late faster.
They have the 25 on the Razor for the Link, 25 on the Ember, they have a refresher on both of them.
This is Double Eye of Storm, Double Link Razor with the 25 count.
This is where that hero just becomes an absolute monstrosity.
You either kill Mickey or he's going to kill you.
And this is the issue, you have to deal with the Razor, you have to deal with the Ember.
And they're both just massive teamfights, right?
You'd love to see a cart in this game too, Ace just opting to go more carry.
He's his build on Sintar, so he's still funny to me, man.
Like, no eggs, and everybody else thinks the eggs is OP.
He's like, nah.
I mean, he just got a shard, though.
I'm going to right, yeah.
Like, he just got a shard now because of the torment,
or he buys heart.
He doesn't even buy shard.
He has a voice.
Because he's like, I'm going to right-click, then,
to death with my AC.
He's got a double edge of the death.
This thing is going to hurt.
I mean, it is now, yeah, for sure.
He's almost higher net worth than Nicky.
What?
That's what Ace gives you, man. This guy always finds a lot of farm. He's a carry player at heart.
Right, need the extra oomph.
No one can buy out the axe. And he's got level 25 of the shard.
He's trying to say buyback is the thing. I think no one feels this game might come down to liquid pushing party's base.
He can do two lives on the storm.
I think before the next fight, though, he will have both.
It's gonna be very close.
I think he's gonna have Axe buy back in. I think he's gonna have 25.
What is this? I mean, it's liquid gonna go high ground without...
No, not without this.
I think the fight to contest that Aegis is way more difficult for parry than the base defense though.
Without the Axe, I think you have to buy out the Axe here to contest Roche.
Yeah.
I don't think you have another entryway into the fight.
Did you have a blink on Ducalus now?
So that is the threat behind the Vortex Pole here,
is if you imagine you pull three or four heroes
and you just blink Static Storm, the fight's over.
Oh yeah, it's instantly over.
So that Static Storm alongside the arena,
I mean, you've got Scythe on triple S,
you've got so much initiation from Paryvision
that was not there before.
It's a big upgrade.
This is some of the late game they were trying to get to.
They got to some of their talents too.
They got the 25 Storm and the 25 Winter Ranger, which are also big damage upgrades.
The threats there, man. This is anybody's game. This gold difference doesn't mean anything. It's about the jump.
Who finds who in the initiation?
What kind of stuns can you get?
Can supports land the ultimate here? Can you find a lasso versus a static storm?
What do you think about retaliate war against a Winter Ranger?
It's the one time I would suggest that.
Maybe?
It is a guaranteed amount of damage going into him to some extent.
It's hard to turn down stun duration though.
I agree.
What am I saying?
This is the one time.
I think there is a valid argument. I don't know how strong that argument is.
He takes it!
Oh my god.
The math.
I mean, it's still happening here because he has such an high HP pool.
So the retaliate is based off of still his strength?
Yes.
And not the person who's getting hit?
Strength?
Yeah, that's my assumption.
my assumption too. No no no, it's the attack unit's current strength. Oh definitely. Well
that's significantly worse. The strength base bonus damage applied corresponds to the attack
That's not that good, it's still...
It's probably like 120, 130 per hit on those these heroes.
It's also very different.
That's gigantic.
Try to get the storm fundo when he's already zipping around, zipping around.
He is.
That's ace, of course.
Ace is...
Not taking a lot of damage there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was damage test number one.
That's a big boy.
That's a really fast boy.
You know, do you know how much the Crimson Guard to active block down?
He's just walking in his high ground room, and they do not want to go in there.
Oh, got the grab onto the warlock, that's what the backcrab.
Meanwhile, last initiation did go down, gold's gonna be dropped, theta 1's on a lot of heroes,
triple S.
And if the refresh already, Razor is gonna have a BKB, double I to storm that stage, or
They gotta focus them down, but look at that they tried to focus them down and Satanic just died to it between the Thunderhead and the Retaliate aura
He just killed himself
Concerning oh very good
I see Tannick you gotta get some lifesteal, but I don't think you can focus fire heroes anymore. I don't think you can do anything about it
Thank you render completely useless
By Retaliate or a crimson guard
Thunderhead
What are you supposed to do?
He's just dying faster than mckay is taking damage. I don't think you can physically kill this razor
Like you scared him over and it's that's the razor wants to be
I mean double eye the storm is just like it's I feel like as soon as that went off for Mikael is just like oh look
I've won this
I think the only way far I can win fights are as big as an razer jump.
That was the damage from Retaliate.
It's a good Retaliate aura game, I guess.
That was absolutely the talent to take here.
I mean, he's got 159 strength on Razer.
Yeah, really, Centaur almost has 200, but the Razer really isn't that far off.
He's got SNY's Tatanic.
He doesn't even have his BKB, and he's got refresher in right now, so that's actually another 10 strength you could add on there.
Probably just have to find a jump.
The only thing is you just can't jump anything, because all you see is a stupid step dog.
With an AC, he's actually bringing down your tower pretty quickly here.
We're gonna smoke around the side.
Box leads up here on the high ground, though, and he's gonna break that smoke almost initially.
No one, he tries to jump where he can, it got the last one he's, he's not haunted, DeCaulis, DeCaulis has to buy back!
He has to find a static storm for them.
But what do you do? It's just the Centaur, it's the damn Centaur sitting in the front.
Okay, Nikkei went after Triples here, tried to go for a quick TP out of Triples, not a bad idea, but it doesn't work.
No buyback for him, just need the gold.
I cannot find an opening against this liquid line, it feels impossible at this point.
at this point. He is inevitable. The final boss in this game, it was ace all along.
Got it! The Freeman! Bluehostatic Storm! The dream for party vision! Is it going to be
enough? They take out the Aegis and they take out the Ember Spear. No buyback to play off
of the remnants here. But they're going to respect the fact that he could have buyback,
that he could rejoin the squad, and Mikkei's full with this Aegis being used up. He doesn't
have his refresher yet. The liquid just keeping the pressure on him anyway. Staying okay,
You blew it all.
You made your jump.
Now a two-man jump under the two supports.
Connect field on top of that, but that's an insurance for Mikkei.
Mikkei already getting...
Oh, ice glimpse back.
BKD is still on cooldown here.
Lacking a little bit of damage though.
Got the lasso on no one.
Refresh.
And now the stomp.
No one's dead.
Mega's inbound.
He's got a buyback.
But Paribition.
No way for them to be able to play off of this timing where the Ember Spirit is still dead.
I've got a lot of static storm 15, that's about all liquidy to be afraid of here.
Of course that doesn't do enough single target damage.
Clear, you're coming up the side, divine rapier, bound to be delivered for Satanic.
Does that even help him? I mean...
No, I think he still needs lifesteal.
Yeah, he needs the lifesteal to win the long fight more than, you know, I'm gonna kill this guy.
It does help you in the sense of you need less attacks to kill a person, which is less retaliate.
I was a sick grab by no one on this ward off bottom lane, not a ward liquid expected.
Satanic is going to double heart.
The ultimate go fuck yourself build.
6400 HP.
I am the Centaur Warrunner and I have come for your base.
Oh god, those poor tier 4 towers.
He has 200 regen and he's full HP.
What happens if he gets flowed?
4 final 100?
I don't know.
What do you...
Chains on 3.
Last donation on the Shadow Demon.
Shadow Demon dead, buyback available.
All the Parry Visions heroes, you have no one trying to kill Foxy, really can't get
him.
There's just too many shields.
Meanwhile, these should dance around, pull triple S and stay canik, stop from ace.
Hit stay canik.
Have an arena, try and stop Miggate, they just banished us, stop Miggate, stay 10 and kill her, turn and kill!
But the base...
The base though, they've got somebody, they've got to deal with the banner, no one is straightening to hit the banner right now because the creeps are just taking over the base.
He's got a spear onto ace, 1000 HP left on the throne, kill that damn centaur, they've got him, 500 HP, C-Dragons are hitting it, they can't stop at all!
There's just too much power on Liquid, too much girth on this squad.
Yeah, yeah, it was a war horse right there.
He was getting choked by the divine at the end.
It was fucking, it was looking like Barricade maybe had turned that, like,
if they won another 10 or 15 minutes and they somehow stabilized, but I don't know how you
stabilize that game, and look what they, they seized their moments and they hit their power
spikes super well to close that one out. He'll help the gold lead the entire time,
even though that game fell super back and forth.
So, from a network standpoint, it was like, you know, straight line in their favor.
No problems at all.
That Nisha Ember spear did work in those later fights.
It's just an absolute loss, you know.
Like, he's just too alive.
It's disgusting.
The double highest form is also always disgusting.
And then the network for the Stuntbars will push it over the edge, right?
It's a good thing Ace formed like he did.
Yeah, he really did.
22,000 hero damage from him.
18,000 of them was retelling it stop hitting yourself stop hitting yourself stop losing
it to this then to our versus the wind ranger we noted it during the draft that
honestly both teams can correct there was an idea an exchange of ideas a mutual
agreement saying that okay I've got these cores and I've got these counters for it
And then we put them head to head. We put them in the ring of a battle and
Seems like liquid we're able to get the advantage in this one aid and congratulations to them. Thank you. Thank you
Not that you are you thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Sonami. Thank you for congratulating me
Congratulations alongside team liquid. Yeah another ages match
Foxy was Mickey this time. Yeah, I
Mean, I think liquid just honestly played better
I'd like the executor at a higher level than I did this game
But to be honest this series is a lot more interesting than I think I thought it was gonna be I thought it was gonna be a
Lot stompier, but I feel like far these games have been running from the games
I think they're drafting a lot sharper and even their gameplay is like catching up now
Shockingly close genuinely. I I thought it was gonna be a complete blowout
I looked at the list of today's games was gonna be like stomp stomp stomp stomp stomp. Okay quick day
No, no, it will not be a quick day is yeah. No, they've been putting up a good fight
I think one of the more interesting things to me is that nine class is just playing normal fours the series
He's decided we're not doing the weird stuff right now the weird stuff ain't working
We're gonna try to play like everyone else and I have mixed feelings about that, but it is
So much shocking to me that that's the path they've chosen. It's not very nine class to me
it's the past to success though because this is by far the best we've seen party vision look and
And it lines up with how Liquid are interpreting the draft, because, like I said, we didn't see a Slark ban until Final Phase.
And even though Paravision has not been doing that great, everyone is consistently first phase banning the 9-Class Heroes.
And so 9-Class is playing more traditionally, and it's working out well for them.
It's not a win in this game number two, but still, they are on a correct trajectory.
I mean, it's interesting because I feel like while, I mean, I agree with you, I think nine classes impact as a player is way lower than normal.
But somehow the team is performing better as a whole, which is quite rare that it is that way.
Like usually you want to extract everything from every single player, but they've, I guess, new offlaner.
He's been forced to change his playstyle, and that's the way it looks like it works better this way, at least for now.
Yeah, rather than trying to jam SSS into, this is how you have to play around 9 class, maybe 9 class is
acclimating more to working with SSS a little bit better.
Quinn, what'd you have your eye on in this game too?
I mean, to be honest, I think while PayorVision's been uptrending a little bit,
I think in this game, Liquid was down trending a little.
I think there were some moments where some cracks were starting to show,
they were not picture perfect, and I would like to look at some of those.
This is not then cracks in showing necessarily, but I just thought this was interesting.
I forgot this was in the game, I thought it was out, but it's not.
You can glimpse the goal and back to mid. So that's a funny mechanic. So I'd you know point that out. That's all really
But I think there were multiple points in this game where liquid kind of just super overreaches and they end up feeding a lot of kills away
Despite the carnage going on a Mars, whatever they're chasing. Okay, this is just the most you can
They're chasing super deep into the triangle going all the way into the base almost
He actually goes insanely far. He's literally under the tier 3. He does get to disrupt or kill
But this is super super deep make I just feed because of this like this is very weird very unusual
I think from liquid cores that they're chasing so deep and similarly here that everyone on radiant is alive
They don't have an aegis. They're not up even 10k gold and they just dive into the base
Ace just gets killed right up the bat and it's honestly a disastrous fight stuff like this is like
Like, all's for weird, like, why are they walking up the hill and just dying here?
To me, it's saying that Liquid may be getting a little bit cocky, feeling themselves after
beating Aurora, last night after being 4-0.
I think they gotta tone it down a notch and give Peruvian the respect that they deserve
and they've shown they deserve so far in this series.
I mean, absolutely.
We talked about this early on on one of our panels, like, that concept, or I think Medra
even in Green Room, but the concept of like, you don't go high ground until you're absolutely
sure that that fight is gonna go your way.
Yeah.
K lead, 20 minutes into the game, you're pressing Warlock all the time on a tier 3 tower, like, yeah it can work, like I don't think it was an impossible fight, but it's definitely not a guaranteed fight, and I think when you go for that play you want it to be guaranteed, and I agree with you, it is kind of a sign of cockiness, it's like I lack confidence, and I like it when they show it and draft like in game 1 and stuff, I think these are like cool signs, but this was almost like taking it too far.
pursuing that high ground was a gambit. They were not at the point where it was
like game is done, I'm ready to finish this off, especially the fact that it goes
20 minutes longer than that. I mean you've heard us in the green room right?
Usually we're like this game is done and then it goes on for another 20 minutes.
There were not neither of us said that. Like I don't think anybody felt like
oh this game is over they're working high ground like there's nothing part you
can do. It felt more like we can clutch this fight out we're better than them.
We're gonna win this game and move forward. Ted you have specifically
excited how you oftentimes the magic of the games are diminished whenever the
pro players are like seven minutes then this game's gone. I hate it. I hate it.
At every event I've ever worked you'll be backstage and like they're just from
the four minutes in. Oh he didn't get it. His carry will kill. That's it. It's over.
There's like oh he's gone brace for a set of Wraithpack. This is over.
You're like why? Oh there's one fight. They go that's it. They do it. GG. You know what are you talking about?
There's still like 35 minutes at least, like it doesn't matter, it's over.
And it often is, and it just takes all the fun out of it.
It's like, if you've ever been to a movie and the person who's ever goes,
I reckon the Matrix is just, uh, it's like a computer simulation.
You're like, why did you tell me that?
I didn't watch the trailer, I just came here fresh, like, I figured out.
Also, the spy is that guy's dad.
You're like, shut up!
It's like that.
Do you ever frequent episode discussions for television shows on Reddit while you're watching it?
After I've seen it.
After I've seen it.
How do you feel about the theories whenever people are coming up with theories for these shows?
I don't mind that. I was a big fan of that show, Severance.
Severance?
Yeah.
Don't spoil it.
Don't spoil it.
That show's too new to spoil it.
Not spoil it.
Wait, how does it end?
It does, and it still goes.
The fan theories about what this character might do, or what does this mean, or what's the meaning behind this, that's interesting.
And I think speculating on it, because I'm doing that myself.
So this is just like a conversation we'd be having.
But the equivalent of speculating on fiction is one thing.
Speculating on a pro game, the players literally can know.
So this is over.
It just kind of takes it all out of you.
But the lads are almost always right.
It's very impressive.
It's very boring.
And that's why in this game, at no point, where either of you like, this game's over.
Yeah, it was a good game.
What?
Uncle's silence.
Well, plenty of yammering.
I don't know about silence, but like...
It was a rather chattie game in the background.
But yeah, sometimes it will just ruin...
Neil, have you cracked the puzzle?
Oh my goodness, he's a beast.
Damn, that's what, four?
We've done four of the puzzles now.
We've done four of the puzzles now.
We've done four of the puzzles now.
We've figured it out for the cube,
Which was it was supposed to be case hashtag done broken up into four separate pieces
Oh, here's the next one. We got the next one. We got puzzle number five now crack this one. Oh, no
It's another chain to sing this is a six star puzzle. We had these two
Nuts that need to be separated. It's called a you and you puzzle a you and you puzzle a you and me puzzle
And we're to separate the innards of this globe from its parent, from its home.
It's all very heavy and metallic.
Yeah, it's a problem.
This is cast chain.
There's a whole world of wisdom wrapped in this Oscar masterpiece.
The three pieces can be separated and then joined again in their original form.
What's special about this puzzle is that it can be solved three different ways,
depending on which of the three pieces is chosen as the middle piece.
subtle kind of working pieces, victim's struggling frustration, chain-like behavior,
key word is chain. Alright, no tip.
That means Pudge is going to be picked in the next game.
You can see those chains?
There's a chain on his hook. That or Ember?
That's... are there any other chains?
The chain lightning?
Zeus? Chain lightning?
Yeah, that's a bad ear, holy cow.
We'll see if the chain of wins will continue for Liquid
as they are hoping that they don't drop this series.
They will lose their undefeated score,
But if anyone can do it, it's looking like it might be party vision stick around everyone and we'll be back with a game number
three after the break
I
Oh, step right, come down, make it funky, I'll work it out, baby, I'll work it out
Spin it around, I'll beat it, do that, you will never see it
Give me gold, wanna be the fire, it's rising, I'll work it out, make it, I'll work it out
I
And I stay here with my baby, cheeky night, I'll be no good lazy,
Close the night, I'm mad and still the creep, yeah
Close the night, I'm low to the moon, it's Friday night, it's time to get through this
Saturday night, but we just stand with you
Saturday night
Saturday night
Saturday night
I just wanna be with you, just wanna be with you
Don't give a nothing else, just wanna deny it with you
Just wanna be with you, just wanna prove it with you
Don't give a nothing else, just wanna deny it with you
There's nothing bad, nothing else in my mind
What a treat!
I like that, that was so pecky.
They do that little boop boop boop.
That's like a frog noise.
Frog noise?
Logo.
Six games at the start of the day, gentlemen.
For what was considered to be one of the most one-sided of days, based off of the match-ups,
you gotta say that this day is delivering in spades.
If delivering you mean tiring you to the point of exhaustion, then yes.
I'm not, I'm saying you're getting the most high quality Dota and the most possible opportunities
to learn about so many heroes like Largo, who Liquid once again, this side is worthy
of a first phase ban, and now we'll see if PartyVision also say, yeah you can have the
tree in protector, I don't even need the Largo to be able to ban it, because so far they've
only taken out the Shoudim and the Tusk and the Phoenix, the very support every bans,
So what's it going to be Shadowfiend band, Treant band?
I find this Logo band really fascinating, yes.
Because they're first pick on Liquid?
Yeah.
It's almost...
I would say if I'm a team looking at this since from the future, it's a little worrisome.
That's like a few years.
Yeah, maybe he still doesn't play it.
Maybe it's a sign of weakness.
Maybe like this team Liquid squad does have like, you know, maybe there's something there that we can exploit.
That crypt tonight is amphibious.
Because for whenever we saw it flexed to Tofu, they did win both games.
Tofu definitely plays it. I think I'm very happy to play it on Tofu.
But it's a very different hero as a 5 compared to a 3.
Sure. Oof.
Yeah. I mean, MikaSF or NishaSF I think is like...
Very scary.
It's very scary. I think it's arguably both of their like best heroes.
So then why best?
Maybe more MikaSF is like signature. All safe lane is just like it fits this playstyle so well.
It's kind of like a mid-hero that is a safe laner, that is a very good safe laner,
and his face is strong in the patch, you can right-click, you can cast spells.
I think it does a lot of the things that make it thrive strong.
So then why ban the puck? That's the last first-face ban from PartyVision.
You don't want to play against Nisha puck?
I think the 18, I think this is a pre-ban, they would not first pick puck,
but you're banning it because you want to save your ban in second phase for something
that is actually partying into the hero you picked.
So you just ban the puck because the puck on 18 slot is really rough and I think they're scared of it.
And it's also a niche puck like Avery talked about it during the cast.
I know we used to do that all the time where it's just like, we just ban puck.
Just don't even think about just ban puck because it's just too annoying.
Get it out of the way. Don't worry about it.
Although now a lot of incredibly well contested heroes have slipped through
because Batrider is the response to Shadowfiend but Trian Protector remains ignored so far.
The Bat generally speaking is pretty good against Triant, like, if it was a patch where Triant
is like at an even hero strength level with Bat, I wouldn't want to pick it up to Bat ever.
We'll see.
Yeah, Liquid don't want to do that, so they decided to ban off to Triant.
They don't want to pick it themselves, and they don't want to give it away.
Easy ban.
I do like Pirates' approach over all of this series though, like the fact that they're
just banning a bunch of heroes that Liquid likes, and just leaving all the OP crap, like
It's a second-phase tree band. It's an SF versus bat, razors in the pool.
All the stuff that Liquid typically first takes are like,
yeah, pick whichever one you want. We don't care.
We'll just take one of the others.
I think that's a cool approach and an option that Second Pick has way more of a choice to do now
than they did before, since they changed the ban order.
So I think it's honestly made Second Pick way more interesting
and I like that Paribasian is taking advantage of that
because I think, to be honest, teams are not exploiting this opportunity enough.
It's a cool approach, and I think it's like you wouldn't do this unless you're to some degree confident that you can beat those heroes too, right?
Yeah. It's either your full despair and you have no other options. You look at the draft and you're like, nothing is going to make it nice for us if you're trying to ban like, quote-unquote, normal heroes.
So you just leave everything, or you're like, okay, what is our game planning as a stuff? If they pick a stuff, we're going to do this, this, and that, we ban this hero, we have it kind of mapped out.
out at least usually for like the first couple of picks you want to have like a
decent idea of what the draft is gonna look like and if you like the setup
moving into the second phase or not and I get more of the feeling that they've
mapped it out because I think it worked in game one it showed signs of life in
game two they don't work out all the way to the end but like there were signs of
life and now they're running back a similar approach for game three so they
kind of believe in whatever there is that they've learned during the series
that it's going to work out in the end.
Oh, yeah.
It was during Game 2 though, they were more up-front ideas of counters,
like the shout-out even to the Batrider, the win ranger to the Santar,
whereas so far nothing too obvious has been revealed quite yet.
ParryVision have only played the Batrider one time this entire tournament,
and it was SSS getting a win against paint gaming.
And so for as meta as that hero is, ParryVision have not been exploiting it that much.
I mean, Leiden was in the, uh, of just an oracle!
They can pick an Aiden oracle, and they have done that!
What a reading.
Oh, Foo is also a very good oracle, and actually-
He is an oracle nerd.
He is very good oracle, and it's surprising to a lot of people.
Boxing as an oracle is also very, very good.
I actually don't think a lot of people have seen it, but I would argue his win rate with
oracles is probably higher than mine.
Way less game.
Way lesser games.
Like, fewer games.
As a four?
2004 I would argue, you know Oracle is Oracle. I think no matter which position you play it and it's gonna play the same way
It's not really like you're not gonna see a full-on tree Oracle with blink dagger, but it is a possibility
I know we played it a bit in scrims at some point
Is this boxy Earth Spirit tofu Oracle? Yeah, I think so. This is pretty high Oracle Earth Spirit
I can't remember the last one. I think those are heroes. They just could play that all the time
That's how we played with the
illegal player
Yes, yes, yeah, this was a common liquid one. Okay
Oh, I I'm picking up what you're putting down. Yeah, I'm gonna make sure you first one. Don't worry about it
No, I mean it's um
Or close weird with shadow fiend because
Shadow fiend tends to want dudes in front of him rather than people behind him because he's already kind of far back
It's just closed. Sorry carry on
No, it's like turrets don't tend to like they just fit behind you in some way because the fight gets very cowardly and pick off can get very good against you.
So it is like it's somewhat too slight.
Like it is nice, but it is also very cowardly and Urspirit is not a traditional fight starter in the way that he's not a point hero.
He's a skirmish guy.
So if it comes to like the later mid game, it can there's worlds where this can fall apart.
Like, it's not fully structurally intact.
It looks like Voxy's had an idea, but that idea is alien.
When he leans over.
Tidehunter, Oracle, EarthSpirit, and SN.
If it's not in the box...
Nine-class Slark.
Oh, this is some game. Look at this.
There's some jam, too.
The Oracle's gonna get hunted down, as indeed it is going to be Nine-class Slark.
Don't save it until the final phase. They jam it in before Liquid can ban it.
I do really dislike the fact that they pick Kez like this because I think this tide is...
Like as soon as Ursprit is shown against a hero, they need Tidehunter.
They need something that can stand alone because Ursprit can't pull the wave and he's a useless bot in lane.
So you need something that can survive or you will get Mollilot.
So they pick Tez and Liquid responds with the absolute best hero possible against Tez J'Kiro at that
Which is Tidehunter. You shirk off everything and you can actually survive in the lane and if you put two points in Kraken
It's one of the best heroes in the game. It's staying alone
So it enables this absolute garbage can laner in Earthspear
It's being it's the only pick Liquid could have and I feel like Paravision like handed it to them and like salvage everything
My Tidefix is to all their girls
I mean we talked about this before, Kez is a, we want to see it as a counter pick hero, you want to see the matchup, so this, and it's the reason we say that is because we don't want this situation to occur.
This is the exact thing that you're trying to avoid.
And my brain just goes, is there any world in which 9th class is going to play Kez?
Oh my god.
And uh, it's a star carry.
I feel like odds are 9th class has zero games on the bird.
I will tell you my class had zero games of TA and he played TA4 against me in
How was it? I mean I will say skill issue on my part. I got kind of cooked
And you know they had some unreal flow that event so
Definitely skill issue on my part, but it kind of worked out
And I feel like if there's any dude to do it for the sake of the game
It's it because I feel like Oracle SF is not like the most pressure heavy lane
So you could maybe get away with it, even if it's not the most ideal hero?
I prefer it, honestly.
I honestly might like it more too.
Does it justify the cousin that Slark would be great against the Earth Spirit Tidehunter
land as the carry?
Yeah, it's an awesome Slark carry game.
As far as, I don't know if Slark carry is legit, but if it is, this is the best Slark
carry game you're gonna get.
Well, Quinn, let me tell you, I have Brian here with me the other day.
What a Brian stat.
And he told me he's been looking at 8K and Amar games, which is approximately his skill
bracket.
And he told me that Slark Carry is like very much a thing.
It's picked a lot in that bracket of games.
And it has like a 54% win rate, I think?
53%.
Doesn't the meta trickle up from 8K?
Yeah, that's where all the good ideas come from.
8K and Amar.
That's what I've heard.
Yeah, it comes from Herald, and then like by the time it gets to 8K, it's truly marinated.
Yeah, water flows upstream.
Yeah, exactly.
and shit flows downstream, hey man.
I'm cooking here, something's up.
I'm doing something here with this thing.
Everything's cooking, the teams, the pandas and you,
Perrin, Tinker and Viper, the final phase bands
for Liquid and ParryVision, take out a Bristol Beck,
because they don't know where this SF is going.
It could be mid, it could be safe land,
and a Storm Spirit as the final band.
I mean, the Bristol's an interesting idea
because it would make the Oracle lane quite strong,
Oracle Bristle is a quite decent lane.
I was thinking they could still use another chat hero.
More from that one.
Rich Doctor.
Plus, oh oh oh, we had him almost forgot.
But Bristleback can remove armor and so can Shadow Beam.
And so can Phidander, so it would be the ultimate minus armor synergy.
Yeah, but you're on to something.
Yeah.
But luckily they banned it out, so now it's only a...
Oh, shut.
A regular degree of minus armor synergy.
to regain his capital in the clip.
They get a monkey king.
Really? Okay, I'll tell you about this. This is a liquid theory.
So monkey king is bad.
You allowed to give this away.
It's my oracle.
I can talk to her about how I wish I won.
We used to like this oracle monkey kind of covers each other's bad nachos.
And bad, I think, later on in the game isn't necessarily that problematic
for monkey as long as the oracle is with you.
Yeah.
And this is a nice way to set up for like any sort of like swear that they can do oracle monkeys quite a solid thing
They kind of can lean against
Almost anything there are some exceptions, but most things are just like you can just put it there
Because I think it's a nice temple here from a kid and it gives what you said right?
It's another dude that goes in yeah, so this monkey's not too flex you want it safe land and you want mid lane
It's a possibility like you see monkey can you see a bathroom
You don't want to pick monkey king into it normally
And you see a sniper and you probably don't want to put monkey king mid there so as
It's a force mark.
It is a force mark.
Satanic will take the kez.
After handing it onto a silver platter to a tide hunter.
Hmm.
I mean, it's not going to be interesting.
Like, it is one of the better materials against Shadowfiend.
But you're playing it in Earth's spirit,
and you already know when you pick these squishy dudes
on Box, he's playing a roamer. He is looking at your head
the entire game. He's looking with tepees.
He's looking with smokes. He's looking with angles.
Every which way he can find an opportunity to get on you,
he will. So, no one has to play,
play like Giga on his toes this game not to mention Monkey King can rotate mid
eventually tied as a blink like it's not some super free sniper game and that
hero was not super broken to the extent where you could just like chill vibe it
out and own so I think he has to be really locked in this is more like akin
to a classic television lineup to me it's like snowball is weird heroes it's
nonsense it's chaos and they need to really play excellent late to win this
game I would say in my mind a big draft advantage here is that I think ace it's
left alone versus the dual lane of Kez and Jukiro is a lot safer than the
Batrider is going to be against the Monkey Oracle. Monkey Oracle has a lot of kill
threats and a lot of like potential active gameplay there when the Slark is
leaving the lane. So I think that's where the big thing comes. Like how well is Ace
able to like be left alone versus how well is SSSSSSSSSSS able to be left alone?
Especially because I imagine that box is very incentivized to leave Ace alone so
you can go bully a sniper mid. Exactly. I mean the mid I think the whatever support manages to
come mid in a nicer way is gonna have another damage. Ted. My rock. My heart. You mean when you
say my rock people think of this as a good thing. Yeah. A rock is an absolutely inert object. Sure.
No thinking just sits there you don't touch it it doesn't move it offers nothing. Ted my rock.
what? Which draft do you prefer? Excellent rock work, Ted. Let's get into game number
three of party vision versus liquid with cap and SPG.
Oh, freak out time, it's game three, liquid versus stock.
Paravizion!
An opportunity for Paravizion to stay in Dream League, perhaps make it into the playoffs,
because one more loss would surely be elimination.
Meanwhile, Liquid can secure themselves a playoffs right here,
and now, if they can get the 5-0,
but Paravizion have proven to be a bit of a thorn leg in Liquid's side.
They took game one, they made game two pretty annoying.
Tough nut to crack some might say.
Puppy putting up a solid fight in this series honestly.
I think they've drafted better in this series than a lot of the previous ones.
Like I think Liquid have really had to maneuver in these lineups
and bring out some of the creativity.
And it's Liquid's, excuse me, it's Partition's Game 3 draft,
the best of the best, the Creme de la Creme.
No, no, I think the...
Well, no, not in that sense. I just think it's a super parry vision. I agree with the panels,
they're like, this is the most parry vision line up of all. So in that sense, it's the best for them
in their style. It's just, can they execute that? Because they were struggling to execute that,
right? And then they kind of switched to a more traditional style, scaling the one and two together
with like a utility off-laner. This is much more chaotic, skirmish heavy. The nine-class
This flark is back on the menu.
That's about to say it's a very party vision draft.
Yes.
Night class is in his lark.
To me, there's a lot of X-Factors here.
How much the flark can do?
How much can you abuse night vision?
You have a flark and sniper, vision mechanics.
How well does the mid lane go?
Can ace get a lot in this lane that you could potentially
stand alone against?
If boxy roams, if the lane's far back,
you can maybe stack for them and look to roam mid.
Like there's so many little things in this early game
that are going to be chaotic and keep
certainly looking for it, but it does make the draft really cool. To me, the ultimate
X Factor is always the 9 class Slark, though, and potentially a very good Slarking. We
see him get very farmed on this hero. He could threaten Oracle in fights and be really annoying.
He can even start building some stacks on the tide.
Even in little situations like this, the fact that you can man up and take the Monkey Ting
and the Monkey Ting falls, and even Tofu's gonna be in some trouble now. Turns around,
9 class is gonna get low, 9 class does have tangos to work with and tofu is not feeling
confident enough.
That's the chip man, it's so hard to fight.
This guy is the best support in the world, it's not even close.
He's off to a good start here.
First blood plus a monkey king kill.
Two permanent agility.
You gotta look out for this guy in this game.
The flamethrink, it's gonna tick.
No he won't cause he paused, got him.
Well, he's still on fire.
I think he's OK here.
It's a little one-way break.
Well, let's not keep score.
So take like 25 little he's dead out.
He's got forward.
For napalm stacks, I think he's OK.
Got to make sure to use that prognosticate as well.
People always forget about it.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Oh, 10 HP.
You see no problem, man.
No problem.
So, Sidelane's starting off well here, for parry, especially with that first blood.
Mid lane, no 1-7 and 1-8 and 2 for Nisha.
Nisha cooking.
The early CS here.
That is very good for him.
Very nice.
Get those extra necromasteries up nice and early, boost your ability to further dominate this lane.
The Shrapnels are always going to be in the lane, and it's always the lane for a favorite matchup.
But the roam can come through from either side in a sense.
We've seen the 9-class Sark rotate to mid, kind of trying to backstab towers if you can push it in really heavily,
which Shrapnel can do.
And Foxy can absolutely look for this lane rotation.
Especially kicking people into raises.
Oh my god, dude, that's so obnoxious.
We saw that before with the Mars Godzurbuke, how Kez will parry off of it when they try
and go for the range creep and you can do the same thing against the Tidehunter, again
a very telegraphed, even more telegraphed, than Godzurbuke in the end of the match.
Took a good lane for Kez.
Well, what is it?
Took a good lane for Kez.
Yeah.
I do wonder if Ace is gonna regret going this, this facet, a Krill leader or whatever over
the Crack and Shell one. Tofu's in some trouble and Tofu is gonna die. Little over-expansion,
trying to chase that fork kill, you get baited by him every time, fishy fishy. It's classic.
It's classic. Also interesting that Boxy chose to rotate top here instead of eyeing up mid
cuz no one's looking. So that midroll could have come through. Would have been a nice time for it.
Yeah
I'm sure no one's super happy to see his earth spirit talk. He's like oh
Nice, I don't know off the word of this guy off the map
Also, is it too early to rotate?
Off the tight on because the tight under it's not like he's got items to guarantee
He can play the lane against kesian. I think you rotate if the lane is back
It's not really gonna matter when you do it. It's just about where the lane is can ace gets up
Okay, fair enough. It is back right now, so I think this is acceptable.
We got the courier, man!
I mean, it's close, but...
...9-class does end up dying here.
Maybe he thought he was gonna get too much out of that saltwater shiv.
I think it's really hard for non-slark players.
I know this ability is not very good, but it does do something.
It's hard to judge exactly how good it is alongside the Eston Shift skills and everything.
Surprise he doesn't just take stats.
Maybe one day he will.
Got him.
Oh my god!
Dude, that range is... sooo... it's pretty too much hit.
And the number of times we've seen that exact situation where Kez...
I mean, this ability just offers you so much with the range.
Really long-range silence or damage like that in the laning phase or in these teamfights where we saw,
what was it, like, Requiem or something got stopped off of it in a clutch situation.
Imagine being able to just throw a silence.
I mean, a lot faster than the deathmoth.
I can throw her.
I'm about to say cry in Crobulus tears right now.
Robes coming through on the middle.
It's looking for Nisha.
Why is it all not to be found?
This is that nighttime period where nine class can position real aggressive.
Just kind of look for couriers, look for this setup.
leech the xp gets some deep ports out. Very difficult for the oracle to maneuver this.
So that's going to be the challenge for tofu. You even brought triple S to the top room.
It really prioritized these power runes, taking them away from the Isha mostly.
It's not like the sniper uses these, they just want to deny it.
I'm going to make sense for the Emberspear matchup. Let's go for the
sniper versus Shadowfiend. I feel like these are two rune-independent midlaners for once.
One of them is smacking the tower here though.
No one takes a couple of shots from the tower to keep the siege wagon alive a little bit longer tpe
Bottom lane season get assassination to finish off ace with the yeah
Look at the panic left on that ass. I mean, there's a straight one to two down there
And night class might actually be able to set up another kill on boxy
He's gonna want the healing style but he's already been counts there goes that healing style
And he's stuck underneath the shrapnel he tries to roll the way the assassination will not go through
At least he doesn't die there.
Wisdom Shrine can truffle, however.
If they find anything in exchange, they will find a jikiro.
Not worth it.
Nice gold for Nisha.
He needs a little extra in this game, but losing Wisdom Shrine is the bigger deal there.
I think that was always going to be a tough one to get, just the sniper matchup mid, skewing
this mid lane so much, and then you have a Slark who can roam during nighttime.
an earth spirit, an extremely weak early game support. We've seen how much box he can do
with this in the mid-legged. Nobody's gonna doubt that. Just, you gotta get through this here.
Planned pretty useful farm though. He is not that far behind. Barely.
Behind. In fact, after that kill. Probably happy with his position overall.
He has monkey matchup. Pretty interesting too.
Yeah, they both have, uh, go screw yourself, ultimate, where they kinda become untouchable.
He's really once this one, he's gonna be bill- OH THE KICKING TO THE RECWIM!
That was pretty smooth, not point blank or anything, but enough to get the damage done, that's for sure.
Here comes the kez, though.
Boxing always finds these little openings.
So important for this game.
It goes your sniper.
Not arranged here when you get kicked in.
All of a sudden this S.S.F. is having a very nice early game against a very tough lane.
Even going to clear some ancients without any damage you picked up.
It's very efficient for Deesha.
This will put him in the top three almost.
And he is a level higher than the sniper after all is said and done.
No one definitely not happy at this point about the early game.
It's supposed to be the sniper strength. You just roll these games.
You have a free lane, you can make moves. Shrapnel is insanely broken for the first 15 minutes or so.
Really nice setup on triple S. They're going to get him inside the Wukong's command. He got baited in by Tofu.
Tofu is not the one to die.
A little triple S die, yeah, too much.
Liquid doing a nice job setting these little traps.
Being party in, learn them in, just a weak Oracle, just an Earthspear with no boots.
What can I do?
We actually do have the two trap masters, Slark and Monkey King.
Here comes the Kass.
Spooky stuff, right behind Tofu, takes them out with a simple Q, what a ravage, the hitting
Four heroes, a TP in from ace that ruins Pari vision.
They got smoked, straight up.
Absolutely smoked.
Sniper got rolled on by Boxy.
Again, Ravage connects, boundless strike
with Max Jingu Mastery stacks.
The monkey goes down before that.
Maybe you have a shot there the second he gets stacked
and he strikes, everybody that fights over.
And Pari are in big trouble now.
Supposed to be an early game where they were favored with this sniper because it's just completely backfired
Look at boxing kicks no one in straight into a rabbit nasty nasty nasty
What up this guy is just a piece of play
He's making her spirit look real viable as a support
Oracle trying to bail out boxy here make a good position. Ooh actually got that nice path out
Assassination didn't finish off boxy though. So Pirey vision do not get a kill out of this
So Oracle's facing it, causing them problems, converting the damage here, yeah.
And now he's got a little six, and that's a world of difference.
Just a super solid defensive game from Liquid.
They played this early game really smart, using party's aggression against them.
Patience was rewarded multiple times, found two really good openings on the sniper, and they might find a third.
Get him with the Fortune Send off of the Monkey King and keep him inside of the
Wukong's command. He's dead. Now it's up to Parivision. See if they can get a
return kill off of this one but it's just too hard to get through a
Monkey King who already has his Jingu stacked up and an Oracle behind him.
Beautiful move. Liquid just playing with the nest right now. No one's got to be
tilted at this point yeah yeah just get out play
when Oracle is hunting sniper in the early game something is going wrong
9 classes courier, little revenge, boxy, if I can stop the pounds here, oh the pounds
on cooldown, well nothing to stop them, early defusal for those monkeys can give you a lot
more chase down, a lot of fighting power, it's going to outpace this kes deso, and even
the mid tower that was supposed to be a kill or an extra bit of gold for no one at some
point you should demise it.
If you use a blade monkey king just run the map.
Doing so much work right now.
Yeah, party vision.
I mean, now don't think about it.
Liquid monkey king might be one of the worst matchups for party vision, the way they like
to go shove and you know play split, nine classen, playing the map the way he does.
I agree.
The fact that this hero can cross the map so fast that catches what is going to be obnoxious
for Faria.
The fact Mickei can connect instantly has a super fast hero with very fast itemization
and Oracle is just going to fall in the hole game.
Make sure he doesn't have to worry about a bunch of these debuffs that normally are very
annoying for the monkey.
Oracle powers you through it.
Fire's got the farm. They have no momentum in this fighting animal.
And completely stone wall.
You might have to do a little baiting of their own.
You can try and make the monkey jump into an unexpected numbers advantage or something.
Oop, Nisha.
Trying to collapse pop right now, find a hero into the tower push.
That's what Liquid weren't doing.
They are going to take all five heroes into this play.
Another roll-in kickback attempted.
Bang class, good positioning.
Brace them on the high ground, trying to get away, pounces, back down to low ground.
He's good.
Power Shirt, Wisdom Shrine, is that still going to be good enough for Party Vision?
Take it, Monkey King jumps into it here, not able to get off an immediate Wukong's man,
they still have ravaged Wukong's though, so Party Vision's got to play with this beautiful
Ice Path, Macro to call us as likely as time for this one is yeah, Ace just walks into him.
So support for support, Wisdom Shrine is taken, considering the situation, I mean it looks
like an impossible team fight for Party Vision.
It really does.
You didn't have to pop Wukong, Requiem, Rabbage, or False Promise.
Yeah.
I'll trade you one for one.
That's supposed to be a fight this party line up takes.
Nine times out of ten.
With Sniper at a tier two, defending your wisdom shrine.
That tells you how wrong this early game went for them, how well liquid it played it.
They're still hunting here.
You know they're non-clasper, you just cannot get his courier off the map.
I bet that feels really good for Micke considering he's the one matched up against 9-class and lane all the time.
We'll start to get some early items for party. They have the Tessil, they have the Shadow Blade for the Sniper.
It's a bearing on the back. It's kind of their first round.
And it will go back to nighttime here, so...
They can definitely do a little honey of their own.
Gotta start to find some pick-offs with this Lark.
Or at least control the vision.
If you can get some D-Words...
Limit liquid control of the map, that would go a long way to stop the bleeding.
Our Spirit might get picked off here.
Monkey King Oracle flank.
TP's already coming, yeah, this is gonna be a nasty crash here.
Jumping onto the cannons, Wukong's man's bound to strike, try to blow him up.
Satanic, Grapple, can't waste his flash, Raptor's dead, getting away.
Got the stacks up on Micke, here comes the Fortune 10, here comes Box, he's rolling back in with a false promise.
They didn't have to use it on the Monkey King, he stays alive.
Everybody from Liquid stays up, Tofu protects them all.
That's a dangerous ult to throw on Earthstrike, because you don't have it for the Monkey.
Oh, the bullet frankings on the 2!
It's DeCaulis!
The sniper will get away off the Shadow Blade, but...
Nine class, hopping down, boxy, roll after him, they've got the Monkey King to chase as well.
Got him out of here.
Yeah, they just have way too good of chase.
His life for a Courier and Award, is that worth it?
Maybe, huh?
The way this game is going, it might be.
Liquid Geodominy in the team fights, that was 2 HP on the Earthspear.
That's crazy.
when that false promise came out.
Such a strong Oracle game.
There's so much early magic damage from Pahrie that can't punch through the faith edict.
Then you have the false promise combination for the SF and the Monty.
You just keep your damage alive in the fight.
Prevent the all-in from the Kez.
They know this is on cooldown though, so party looking to get aggressive.
Tens, focusing on Mikkei without a pause promise.
There's gonna be trouble, so Mikkei, got a Shinkou stacks, he doesn't have a bound to strike, man. It was one second away.
He's Requiem too. This is a big opening for party. This is what their lineup wants to do.
Run Liquid down across the map when they get a kill opening.
They still have Ravage on Ace though, so I think they have to stop chasing.
Well, they can get boxy at least, don't kick away, in a roll.
Too elusive, still a good find for a party.
Taking advantage of the Oracle Ult on cooldown.
Takes a long time to bring this monkey king down.
Who got the kill for that as well? No one got it, so 700 gold to him.
I'll speed him along to the Silver Edge, which will help a lot for this tight hunter.
Oh, yeah, that would... I would open that up considerably.
Good for monkey king as well.
His ace is not going blink-tiger, he's going auras, as expected.
Probably end up with double heart.
Sangeyasha or something, this game, who the hell knows.
Disperso rush for Mickey, by the way, if we...
Yeah, I saw that.
Why do you think that is?
The stealth cast is kind of interesting, this game, for mobility in the fight.
I'm still getting 4 Yajie here, so it's a significant amount of damage on this hero.
It's just feeling the early upgrade.
I mean, more dispells don't hurt against Batrider, Kez, Chikiro.
I mean, dispells of pretty value.
So I think how he's viewing it, like you're gonna want it at some point in this game, just buy it early, there's no balling.
It can be a strong team item as well.
Just doing an early rush on.
He's throwing on the SF right now.
Blink, Kai, Asha done.
They are absolutely ready to take the 5-on-5, especially with Tide.
Giving us a nice feel of here.
Barb is in our seemingly not-gonna-contest.
I don't know if they're gonna try.
Okay, well...
Gonna Deward with the Spark.
It's one of the D-Words. I make look with a little scared here.
It's so hard to walk into this ravage.
Nine-class is gonna go in there and he tries to grab it.
H is already grabbed by Mid-K though.
Ace, you're just thinking about the ravage though.
Parvizion have already managed to separate themselves.
They just engage and they just leave.
Nine-class who could not manage to get out.
He almost got that.
Would have ended sick.
Look with too fast on the draw.
Ultimately, you just can't get no one in the vicinity fast enough.
If you can drop shrapnels in that pit, Liquid might hesitate a little to commit on that.
Probably just too far away on that.
So that is pipe done for the tide.
Aegis onto your monkey king.
Straight into tormentor, they're gonna start to ramp up the objective pressure in this game.
Who gets the shard?
Tofu.
Looks like a reign of destiny.
Honestly, not a bad one at all.
They're free, yeah. It's pretty trashy.
Yeah, it's free.
At least I think it's Shard Super Underwhelming.
The Heal Amp is honestly the more important part.
Yeah, and I think that's the part I like about it, because you already have.
Yeah.
The Heal Amp's nice.
I just don't think you ever really want to buy this thing.
It's no jet pack, but...
I think they're just dead, and there goes Rages.
No Oracle with him.
Where was my Oracle?
He's supposed to follow me every step of the way.
This is why I was never a good Oracle player, because you have to be willing to babysit someone for so much of the game.
Yeah.
I just lose my mind.
What else are you gonna do as an Oracle?
Hit lane creeps and purifying lanes.
Ghostblade.
Get in there.
I mean, that.
Well, Agents or not, Liquid are still going to stack and take objectives.
Oh! It's a kez! Get it!
Okay, realizing, oh, that's just an illusion.
I do think, say, Kanax farm is going to be the difference maker.
Make a comeback in the fight and getting to BKB will be Kari's next biggest timing.
So the more damage liquid you can do right now, the better for them.
Oh, how far away is he?
He's a full BKB away.
He just finished Panta.
Okay.
So I'm just saying, this item period is where you want to take a hold of this game.
They did finish Crimson Guard on the Bat Rider.
That is what's prompting this Kari vision smoke.
They have their aura timing.
Running into Ace or running into the Monkey King on the high ground, neither one.
Particularly great for party vision, 9th class here in the high ground here.
Licks with backflip, Wolfgang's man into the ravage, the ravage!
It hit the kez alongside the requiem, so the kez is dead right away, as is the Bat Rider.
Now to chase down no one.
He's caught. That is the three cores.
I mean, if you're gonna ask for three kills, if you're liquid, that's the three you want.
I can't believe that kez got hit by the ravage there.
I know, that was right on the blasted ring of tentacles.
That had to have been exactly on the cusp.
Boundless truck from the tree line into ravage, into requiem plus silence, Kez is gone.
No chance to do anything in that fight for party.
Completely outclassed in these fights.
I'm just very surprised they're trying to take...
I did feel forced a bit.
Fights at all?
I mean...
It's possible that they think they're gonna get a pick off...
And not a team fight, but...
Look at her group this game. They're not gonna be grouped.
She's still trying to flip us lane here, also not cooled out for Liquid.
She's up toling forward from Boxy.
Here comes the last of what HTA she got.
Okay, they got the two supports. That's a good start with no Ravage.
It's not like Ace can really protect those supports when they get gone on.
Look at something else here. I think Liquid are just gonna fail on this.
Yeah, I mean, no requiem. They used every single one of their teamfights earlier.
Another curious decision.
They really have thrown some fights going higher on in this series.
It's just such a tough go. If at any time you don't have the vision advantage in the score, you're going uphill,
this ravage just clips everybody.
I thought they were going to play this in a more slow fashion like this.
Send this Larkin, look for where the Oracle is.
You have to expect Monkees going to be on these trees.
Don't be another fight that breaks out instantly, though.
They want to take this bottom.
Trying to haul into Kez.
Got him!
He's gone!
Near point blank requiem to kill him.
Oracle still has false promise, so Nightclash is trying to kill him as best they can.
He's got his self false promise where they can, but just because they killed the Kez,
Apparently does not mean you win the fight Nisha here on the other side blinks over helps out the monkey came to kill the
Slark now Mickey chasing for more
Trublesque found the shrunk sober edge turn around so you think you kill him alongside the last
Oh, it's gonna be close call the ravage just came up gets used stops the bat rider in his tracks
No one simply just doesn't have the damage. Oh
Stopping the teepee out. He just doesn't do enough damage to turn there like there's no way he's your
Super tanky. You have Pipe Tide who respawned into that fight.
Cute idea from Parry.
But you're taking it without your damage with Nikes.
Just a beautiful secret there from Liquid as they roll in.
Silence, Requiem, BKBS stuff. Nothing is stopping that.
I'm going off that quickly.
Unless you could have lasted in there or something.
But there's no blink on this back. I don't know how you prevent that happening.
It will be Ulta on cooldown for Liquid. I feel like every time they're Ulta been down,
Paria found something.
Yeah, I mean, Paria's looking for another fight.
They should, because why not?
They should actually look every time these Ults are on CD.
Oh!
My class having to pop his Ulta here. The air we damage is too much in Parivision.
Well, the patrider's only just now getting here. It's a little bit too late.
Off of that clump from Liquid. Now it's really awkward.
take the fight for versus five well Mickey's taking a lot of damage there goes the false promise
bill last one after the false promise Nisha joins in goes after the kez the kez there was no
word for C tannin to go here he just has to do what damage he can to the shadow theme Mickey was
fine off of the false promise Oracle just helping him out so much games probably now and now point
Point blank requam on to no one, Nisha with the double and no one says I'm done.
Whoo!
Yeah, that game is done.
It could have looked so different if that early in went party's way, but man did Liquid
execute the first 10 minutes.
Just almost a perfect first 10 minutes for how those two lineups match up.
They didn't overextend anywhere, they played very defensive, very consistent, just patient.
the one force heat like the first tp box he made top that didn't succeed that was kind
of the only blunder I saw in the first 10 minutes otherwise he had the two kick ins on
nowhere that just killed his game like that actually that's just him he kicks him into
ruff him and then the top fight kicks him into ravage and I feel like the game it's not over
at that point but man does that kill the entire sniper pig because he can never regain that
moment. So Foxy MVP is just a huge opening spout with this Earth spirit and then I think
it's smooth sailing once you get through the first 10 or 15, then you start to follow up,
you have this sustain, this save, the oars, you hide. Those teeth like to just make sure
you take them around your ulti's. Don't get kicked off outside of that and you're kind
of smooth sailing. It's a very strong game from Liquid. Cool draft.
Well, party vision, they made the series spicy with taking the game 1 win and a close game
but liquid steamroll them in game three.
At least they can look at their standings and be like,
hey, we got a handful of games one.
They got three games one now throughout group stage two.
There's actually better than Malus,
and we'll see how Malus fare later today when they play off against Aurora.
But despite all the game victories,
it's the series victories that really matter,
especially when you have a one as single one.
Where has this party vision been the whole time, though?
Not not game three party vision. That's the one that we have been saying but like, you know the game one and two party vision
What was that at? I mean, I think this game three is like indicative of where that peri-vision is it's there and then it's not there
I have some wins here and there. It's just super inconsistent and they don't have their identity yet
Like I genuinely think they're just not good enough to play this draft right now peri-vision a peak when you're in flow
And you're in like that comfortable state you can win this game
But this when you give up this tight pick the game is actually fried if you don't mega snowball from that point onward
I mean I didn't feel like Satanic and DePalus can over-perform the early lane stage if you paid close attention.
Bat was doing quite well, and Tide was not doing so well, I think at some point Satanic had like double the CS, I think it was hitting at like 45, and Aston's hitting at 22, so they really did like,
maximise the matchup I feel like in the laning phase, but then the part that comes after that, there was like no mid-game follow-up to it, and then Bat just started falling behind, and Aston started working his way up, the way he did like during his prime and game.
Ted, I've been told that you have a specific teamfight that you were very excited to show us.
Incredibly, they've allowed me to do this.
Let's go.
I do have a quick here. This is a 24 minutes. This is quite near the end of the game,
but I thought it was indicative of the way that Paravision played, and when Liquid blew this game wide open.
Here we are. Nisha gets a nice blow up there on Summer, but look at this.
Wait a second. Get back. Get back. Look out. They're all no excited.
There's a macro player down. Quick. Everybody leave.
Oracle has to hold himself. Nisha's running away. Can they catch Oracle? The ice path.
Oh, has it caught him trying to teeth the out?
No, what's this?
He blinks back in!
Who's this come out of the trees?
It's Mickey and now they're on the run.
I thought for a second things had gone well for Paravision,
but much like this series, instead,
Ice Path or No, they were able to run them down in.
They ended up getting them.
Game was over at this point.
Monkey Alt goes down.
They get the Shakira.
They get the slot.
They get the bat.
Chasing down the cans.
He tries to get out.
Bosch dead.
That's it.
Great fight.
I thought he blinked out and I yelled so loud
He did yell very loudly, very close to my ear.
I thought Donation was going to blink out with TP out, but instead he blinked in and killed him.
Very cool.
Okay, sorry.
Pushing the limits with the hero.
Call an ambulance, but not for me.
It was that.
Turn it around, and that's why we saw the prior Zed into the Shadowfiend.
It was going to be Tram Protector or Shadowfiend.
Liquid already tried the Tram Protector once, and now they try the Shadowfiend.
Yeah, I will say it's a win for Liquid.
But I think for future teams, there's two things that I saw in the series, and it's that their trients might be fraudulent, and their Largo, they ban it off for a sec.
And I think these are, like, Santandra or Samorora, are probably very thankful to ParryVision for having these situations being shown to them.
The Intel has been revealed.
The Intel has been revealed.
They jotted those down for sure.
Oh, sure. You know Nara's taking notes.
taking notes.
And then in terms of bright spots for ParryVision, Quinn, what are things that were happening
in the beginning of this series that we can be like, okay, this is something that ParryVision
can lean on in the future?
I mean, I think the fact that they're trying to play more normal heroes is good.
I think it's more students than the new Offlaner.
Like this guy plays normal heroes.
DM is kind of a weird player in that he plays like a Nigma in Phoenix and a lot of like
strange heroes, Necrophos, Phantom Lancer is one of his signature heroes.
Like DM is an odd hero pool, whereas this guy is very much traditional Offlaner guy and
Traditional offlaners pair well with traditional force is the reason that these heroes are called traditional
That's why I think nine class playing more of these normal heroes suits them better
I think it looked like it suited them better in this series and I think
Until they dabble more with the weird stuff in scrims
I feel like they should stick to more normal stuff for now because I think it suits their offlaner better and you got a
Goal you got to meet your offlaner your new player halfway, right?
Like you can't just leave this guy in the cold and force him to come all the way
You know do this super specific playstyle. You gotta help him out some. This is a good compromise
It's just traffic that has to come from nine-class because his hero pool has consistently been
10 my favorite to see out of party vision
We're clipping his wings right now. Yeah, it's a shame
I feel like the Paravision from two dreamlies ago when they won the whole thing handily. Yeah
It was him just basically pick whatever he wanted and being an absolute menace
But yeah, like the Lord said you gotta you know help your team sometimes get the new guy better
And then he will learn the ways of the nine class because he's just like a support. Otherwise, he's not nine class
That's true. It's just the dooboo. Just the dooboo the dooboo
Phrases that we are picking up. Yeah, and now I will get an opportunity to speak to one of the winners of a team liquid
because I get a
Interview with a face. I won't take too much of your time because I know that it has been a long series
But it was a fun series to watch
It's surprisingly fun. We did not think that party vision versus liquid would be this close. What was going on?
I mean, every time I play a party vision, I think they're very good, so I don't know.
Like, I feel like they have a bit of a bad streak for some reason, but the steam is good, and they can always show up at the end of the day, you know.
Yeah, I'm mainly attributing it to their current Group Stage 2 performance, because they haven't been doing that great.
We may have been underrating them, but it seemed like a lot of this series was dictated by draft.
It seemed like one of the more intense drafts that you guys have had to deal with in Group Stage 2.
Yeah, I think the lago in the first game was creating some issues for us.
And I think in general, so yeah, that one was, we learned a bit from that.
Lessons learned. I got Quinn standing by for a question for you as well.
Hello, sir. How's it going?
I was curious how much y'all have been working on in the past days.
Like, if you're sort of good enough that you feel you're in that maintained state
where you have all the good ideas, this tournament is like free for you
and you're just like going to keep mowing through everyone and doing your thing.
Or if you're like still picking stuff up and if you're like still grinding replays.
I mean, I wouldn't say we're in like a state where everything is just like free and we know exactly what's happening and what to do
It's more I
Think everybody's just like in the zone. I'm doing like good stuff individually, but it's not like the game is like easy
I feel like there's still like
It's still quite spicy like in a lot of games. So it's not like three three mode outside. Okay, that's there
You make it look like that sometimes though Ace. I got in Spain here for a question for you as well
Alright, uh, what's up guys?
How's your heroes of Might and Magic's 3 career going? Are you still playing at all or not really?
It's a bit of a break.
It's not well now. I do kind of miss the game a bit though, but I don't know. I'm like, I have nobody to play with.
I used to play a bit with CY.
Even something with ToFu sometimes, even with Crit actually, but that's a long time ago.
But like, yeah, nobody's really playing. You should get people down like I'm also down.
You should get Niche to get on it again.
Nisha is like, I never managed to convince him to play it, but he's very knowledgeable about the game
My last question is where are your four position in coach right now?
Are they in the room
They peaced out. Yeah, that's true like they are going on a date
That's what I wanted to hear, yes, I was told that you were hoping that this series would
be faster so that they have a concert to attend to, it ended up going the distance and they
just drop everything immediately, just bust out the door.
I mean I guess so, because I haven't seen them since the game ended so yeah.
A true four position, you never really know where he is until you need him the most Ace,
congratulations on his victory.
I think he's always planning his four.
Oh, right. Yeah. Well, regardless, congratulations on the mysterious victory and we will catch you.
That seemed liquid later.
Thank you guys.
Bye bye. Don't skip track. Can you blame me?
No, not at all. That's what I thought.
Take a look at the standings for all of these teams as...
Oh, I actually, I guess I didn't really put the math together, but this was an especially heartbreaking loss to party vision as now
It is confirmed that they will be eliminated
At a group stage too. Wow. Now you get to play the most fun games as party now
You're only there to ruin the tournament for everybody else
Which they do get some opportunities their next opponents are going to be extreme. Oh, sorry falcons and mouse
I remember there was one dream league in which we had like
This might come as a surprise to you, but we were guaranteed last place and TSM needed
one win.
And we were missing, Micky and Boxy, they were both gone, they couldn't play that series.
And we had, I believe, TA2000 and Omar standing in for us.
And we were like, this is like, you know, we're just going to play the series.
And that's it.
I think it was me, Xayah and Nisha, with probably like a score of 0-30 between the three of
us, meanwhile TA2000 had like the best series of his life and went like 30 and 0, didn't
die like in the games at all, and just completely cooked them. And I remember getting a message
from Braille after the series on Discord just saying like, thank you.
Mission accomplished. Like we said, it's spite that often times it drives Dota players and
it is anger that has been driving us because we keep losing these tasks, oh my god we care
so much, and it's heartbreaking. Yeah, this is today.
We did pretty well. We did four. We got stuck on the fifth. It's a real, it's really, really tricky.
The cast chain is a six star puzzle, genuinely very difficult.
And we gave it a bloody good go, but I couldn't make head or tail of it.
I'm not clever enough. Too difficult.
We get four tasks completed, and we have four best of threes in total for this day.
We've only finished off two of them.
Now we're about to get into the third.
Stick around, everyone. And I've got Tundra versus Falcons coming up next.
That bloody time!
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, yeah, we be high tonight
Hi, nice to meet you, are you ready for the back down seat?
When the beat says tough, I turn a little rough
This is not a test, this a review
So, turn it up so soon
Baseline kicking with the beat and on the drum
Back down bridge and care with the disco string run
Oh, yo, we're about to have too much fun like
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, yeah, we be high tonight
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, yeah, we be high tonight
Like hi, nice to see you, when the song comes up
Yeah, I feel you, we've been dusting all night
Dropping that vibe, tick-tock into the sequel
So, turn it up some bassline
Kickin' with the beat and the drop
Blackout pigeon jam with the disco string
Oh, yo, we've got to have too much fun.
This bus guide's on 11.
Yo, me and my team, we can credible.
This bus guide's on 11.
Yo, me and my team, yo, we special.
So let's go, let's go, let's start the show.
Tonight, tonight, tonight's the night.
Tonight's the night, girl.
Turn it up.
Who's bad, we bad?
Who's bad, you mad?
Who's bad?
Turn it up.
Who's bad, we bad?
I
Give me some of that fancy dance, give me some of that eye-line
I want some of that magic dance
Give me some of that good stuff, give me some of that fancy pants, give me some of that
high light, I want some of that makeup dance, give me some of that good stuff, give me some
And I can't scratch
Give me some of that play-life
I want something that makes me dance
Give me some of that good stuff, give me some of that bad stuff
Give me some of that I like, I want some of that bad stuff
And maybe some of that good stuff
Give us some of that good stuff
Give us some of that good stuff
Some of that good stuff
Oh yeah
I can't believe it
I can't believe it
I can't believe it
I can't believe it
I can't believe it
First time I saw it
I knew it wasn't about you
Don't make no one understand
Got to find a way to put it in
It's something I'm all the way
Trying to look down on me
You'll smile and turn me on
I set my mind at ease
I can't understand
I understand, don't wanna burst it
Just tryin' to play it cool
Got a show about money
You walkin' on the air and sink to lead us through
I just had to find a way to get into the steel
I fear I'm just a fly
And I get a chance on the sandstorm
Yeah, if I get caught in the mud
Don't worry, trust me, I'm just a driver
I think it's up, checkin' me out
Try not to play around, run and over the ball
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got two serious coming your way down to the course you got some people to talk to
you about it
good joint by Jenkins how you doing hello excellent I'm very itchy today
shiver why the shirt I bought it from a Serbian thrift store and I think it
was I think it's there's infested with that box
that's a check would have in Paris it's very itchy I think you're supposed to
wear it under sure what yeah I think you're supposed to all good though the
Dota's been great today.
Actually, I had some...
Are you not wearing an undershirt?
No, I'm not.
That's miserable.
Because you have to wear a shirt underneath something like that.
I think I would rather move on from this topic.
Well, let's welcome our graphic!
Hello.
Hello, Luffy.
How are you doing?
I'm good.
I'm good.
Long day or...?
It's been a long day.
I made a philosophical quiz for my flavor, but the day went on way too long.
I think Jenkins would have enjoyed it.
We love philosophy here.
Yeah.
You guys would have loved it.
I'm good.
I'm excited.
Dota long days are good days short days are the bad ones that is very true
normally the long run series goes means it was even it means it was a lot of fun
it means it was back and forth something that has not been back and forth is the
the morning crew versus evening crew challenges and I believe before we get
started on the series of the day for now we're gonna check in with what the
challenge is of today that's right that's not a challenge now we should be
getting disco bob in the house and all of this oh it's very good we've already
gotten a quick a quick sneak peek is this a ball by you you're mesmerized
Jack I am but I thought it was a different guy than Bob also their
guitar player and skinger you thought disco Bob was different yeah
He got you.
Thank you Bob.
Yes, go Bob.
We saw the challenges for the morning shift and they are very cool.
Like little mechanical puzzles if you will.
And this time we've gotten a handicap.
Our handicap is that there is no way that the next two series are going to go three games each.
So we have less time.
We have one puzzle?
Well you can only get the second puzzle once you finish the first one.
That's how it goes.
You- what? You- dude!
What? What did you do?
Is there a card? There's a card!
I thought that was just a nice little...
Are you one of those people that opens their presents before opening the birthday card?
I didn't get presents as a kid.
Oh, that's his point, though.
Uh, I wanna play...
I want to play a game.
Oh, this is your movie trailer voice.
Next class! Number one.
When you complete that box.
I don't know why he's British.
et cetera the team that completes all the boxes the fastest or completes the
most boxes I'd like to hear Effie's movie trailer do a two jigsaw you know
that in a world movie trailer voice open box one when you complete that box
progress on to box two love it that's good new career incoming I don't know
about that one I think if people heard that they'd be like I would never go to
I would go to that movie!
Thank you.
Cleopatra in Relicarina.
Oh, that's not right.
He's a famous actress.
So if we open this, the timer starts.
Yeah, the timer has already started.
There's no way we're going to get as many hours in the day as nor-
Like, there is no way.
Can I start?
I hope you guys know that I cannot help you.
That's okay. I accept.
But if you really do want help, I will help.
If you want?
If you want help, and you guys get tired, I will tag in, but it cannot betray phenomena.
That's all good.
I just break the box. That's fine. Not this box. So this box is pretty. I'll put it away. Oh
Was it not part
Because it also says so at some point I heard but being told to more crew that you had to also
Put the puzzles back together which morning crew didn't end up doing because obviously they didn't learn about it because it's not on the
little
It's not on the car
As we're gonna look at the signs by the way guys a previous series
Paravision the reason why they fought so hard is because that was the do or die and they died
They didn't die. They just eliminated but it felt painful either way. We got seem liquid still on the feet it
Mows we'll see at the end of the day
They are in the same boat as Paravision and they might also be in the exact same boat if they don't manage to win against
against Aurora, which means that both
Paravision and Bouncer go up against the two most difficult teams to beat at this time.
But two teams in relatively middle of the pack, Fifth, Falkas and Sandra.
And I wouldn't necessarily call Tundra middle of the pack, are they three in one?
They're three in one.
I would actually put them top of the pack, because there's only one top of the pack right
now in Liquid.
That's true.
But I think we're at the point of the tournament where the three strongest teams have shown
themselves and they seem to be Liquid, Aurora and Tundra. Of these three there are two Grand
Finals, I believe, and even though Tundra did lose that one series versus Aurora, it
was very close. It was. And I rate them very highly at the moment, so this will be a tough
one for Falcons who are playing the best stand-in today. It will be very, very difficult for
them. Let's take a look at how difficult we all thought it was, as we have predicted
who would win. And to be honest, this was the most even day now. The odd one out. Basically,
All you need to do generally is look at Jankos predictions and then assume that those are
the worst teams, which is the large majority is expecting all the other teams that Jankos
did not predict to win.
So far, your zero wins today.
I guess I got blue too.
You believed it was one of the few people in BedBoo.
Well, they almost won.
They could have been a 2-0 for them.
It was very close.
These are the overall standings as we got them so far.
Me, Purge, and Jenkins at the very bottom.
Yeah, we're holding the fort, you know?
We're holding the fort.
Someone's got to do it.
Jenkins is holding the fort to help
all me and Purge live with us.
Well, that's wonderful.
I'm getting doubled by the next guy.
Girl, no, it's Purge.
Oh, yeah, but I'm the same amount of points.
I like that Ted owns that this.
Yeah, he does.
He's pretty chill about it.
He opens up his phone in the morning.
He's like, who's doing well?
Boom, boom, boom.
No complications.
None of that.
Tom Fuller, he's the best of us all.
He's an instinct player. That's what he is.
Yeah, let's take a look at the schedule. You can't already know what's coming.
As we already said that we got ourselves two series already that both went the distance,
bedroom and extreme, liquid pair vision, with the expected yet surprisingly difficult for them to reach results.
And then we got two series coming your way. It's Falcons and Tundra and then Aurora versus Mouse.
So we are going to start our day with Falcons vs Tundra, a best of three.
Falcons is still playing with the Stannin and still corrupted.
So yesterday, oh, I forgot most of the heroes that snaking said were level 30,
I'm corrupted, but those are the heroes we'll see.
I know it was a doom, it was obviously a cent, or we should play it all the time yesterday.
But to learn more about this matchup, we also, of course, want to hear from more people.
And one of those people is Purge! He's sitting up there!
Woo! Woo!
Hello!
Hello!
My theme music is playing and that means we're about to talk about some great Dota 2.
And something that's been happening a little bit in the last couple days, you've seen a little bit more of a carry variety.
Obviously, we're still seeing lots of Razors and Shadow Fiends, but we've also been seeing a lot of Facespoids.
I have some clips to show you from Tundra and their previous matches.
They are not the only team that's been picking this hero lately, but one of the upsides is that it matches up decently against some of the common heroes in the meta.
a lot of phoenixes, a lot of razors, underlords occasionally in there, he's mobile, he can
resist damage effectively by jumping as long as he's not locked down too hard.
This allows him to play really, really long fights and obviously contribute heavily in
terms of Chronosphere, which is a teamfight ultimate that is arguably one of the best.
There's oftentimes parts of games where eventually you pick it here like face this point and
you say, you know what, this guy just wins games because he guarantees a teamfight win
with Chronosphere.
So even in moments like this where XSS shouldn't have been at the tier 3 tower, this mistake
leads to like a crazy good team fight.
Bart Tundra.
So that ends up being very, very effective.
So if you can fit a face deployed into your lineup, it changes things in a really big
way.
And this game it definitely was the case, look at this.
Finding small openings, pressing BKB at the right time, carrying that into big openings.
So this is the hero that both teams are going to have to keep on the radar for their upcoming
series.
see if it ends up popping up here, if teams go too low on disabled.
Thank you, Purge. I was very busy solving puzzle number one and now on to puzzle number
two.
You distracted the crap out of me, Siebert. I was like, what did she scream? Let me just
think about that for five seconds. Thanks for that.
It's free. You're welcome. Actually, Jenkins, maybe you want to read the instructions.
Yeah, I'll read the instructions.
So that I don't have to.
So this said, by the way, I now have a clue that it said that if there's clues on here
that helps you solve it, because instead it should fall apart instantaneously.
Can I play with the first one now that it's solved?
You can try to put it back together.
It was meant to be reassembled, but apparently Team Tsunami didn't reassemble.
Yeah, I was in... I didn't play any puzzles today.
Oh, but you're not gonna help me.
No, I won't.
Sounds like a contradiction.
It's not a contradiction, I just cannot betray Tsunami, who I have lost the same path of lost.
It comes with a devious and hidden trick. The key to unlocking these parts is to look carefully at each part first.
This is Design Bay Hong Kong designer.
Is one part bigger than the other?
I hope he or she sold a lot because it's very expensive to live in Hong Kong.
It's the most housing crisis city on the planet right now.
Really?
Wonderful place though. I love that city.
Wonderful.
Went there for vacation once.
What did you think about the Falcons vs. Malz situation yesterday?
I thought that was quite the smashing.
It was quite the smashing.
Honestly, I thought Peter slept up a lot in that series.
When I watched it back, it seems like he took it upon himself to be like, okay, we're missing
a keyed player.
Let me double my power and I really felt like it was kind of old school Skeeter who would go through the gate often and just play very aggressively
I felt that the Skeeter of two years ago emerged yesterday
Yeah, I agree and I mean tundra versus falcons is like a classic matchup, but I do wonder
Tundra has looked like pretty unshakable in this tournament other than
Against Aurora where they almost won the series, but that game went the last game went to an hour and ten minutes
Yeah, so other than like some of the best teams in the whole tournament tundra has looked amazing
So I do wonders like is this Skeeter power up with you know the corrupted factor that that guy did look pretty damn good
I will admit in Malarine friends tend to be good Dota players. That's true
They are it's tough though because I feel like tundra right now
are drafting really well like with one or two exceptions or they've missed on draft they've seemed study and hard to break and they've created a
situation of having a couple of heroes that you really need to solve, like, I think you
cannot under any circumstance give away Largo to this team, I think you can't give away
Batrider to this team, and 33 has created a Doom problem as well, but he doesn't get
these two, he's just picking Doom, he doesn't care, he wants people to perceive it as a threat,
he wants to win with it enough where teams start expending a ban against it too, so of
those three heroes, one has to come out.
Yeah, I would also say that Thunderous Energy has been looking quite good, and it's something
that they've been working on as well, especially of course, with the addition of Pure.
I've been playing in the tournament, of course, as a different team, the environment is different.
I wouldn't say that we achieved some greatest synergy of all time in Dota, but we tried our best,
we tried to communicate better, and of course we still have some issues which are trying to work,
and I like this team because the team wants to work and the team wants to get back.
In every tournament we try to win it and our best we are trying to improve every single tournament.
And I think we are making small and big steps at the same time how to grow.
And it's really important to play in all field tournaments in a row.
Sometimes it's way too much and there is like five tournaments in a row.
Usually there will be like stuff like the vicious vision call.
You grind and you have some time to rest and when you grind again that's how life goes.
We've been making some good progress, getting used to our heroes, to our drafts, to our game.
I also feel pretty confident to my fans.
To other fans, we got a tier but can't believe that we got a tier but to be the best team at all.
And, you know, keep watching, keep rooting, we always do.
Now there's a lot of people obviously rooting for Tundra and the type of door to play.
I know that in the past they've had come but they're not necessarily complaints
But tundra's daughter was used to be known for being like too clean to
Calculate it and therefore sometimes slightly sterile many, you know, not a lot of action happening on the map
And I feel like they kind of solve that it seems like now there is action Fee
I guess when you bring in pure as your carry you don't really know what you're gonna get like he is a very flashy player
and any team with him on it is going to have moments of great action, but I still think
they have the tender DNA of macro play, you know, economy trying to make more gold than
the enemy team, and like waiting for later timings in the game.
Falcons is the same thing, kind of, they play the macro game, but Falcons typically, their
file is that they're very strong in lanes as well, so they have these really strong lanes
with a macro game similar to Thunder where they want to maximize their gold and play
for later timings. They did lose a little bit of that, with ATF not being here.
Yeah. Quick question with that in mind. If it was ATF instead of Corrupted, would you
have gone for Falcons or Tundra? Like on Full Power?
Full Power. Actually I would have gone Tundra, I think, even with ATF. That would have been
a tough one to call. I mean this one can still go to Falcons as well, but Tundra are impressing
me a lot with their drafts, especially this tournament.
Yeah, they definitely are. And I think they're the team that I undersold a little bit personally at the start of the tournament, but they just kept proving me wrong, just because they have like a bad series here there or get out drafted like one series and gain from it.
It doesn't necessarily mean that they're struggling here. They're absolutely ready to swing for the best team and I can still see them winning this tournament.
Yeah, they obviously struggled a little bit at last previous event, so maybe we also got the wrong idea there where they weren't just as synergized as they are right now.
Of course, I would also say that the format, the way that Dreamleak does it first is the
single-limb format that they just played.
It just is a lot more games, so if Synergy within the team is one of your main issues,
you can iron that out in the course of the two weeks that these games are going on, and
it's just a lot more officials within a week that the teams are normally playing, and we
are a very soon issue, you can see.
Ready for the draft between these two teams, and we already mentioned a couple of heroes
going into it, but I want to focus our attention on the mid lane. I feel like we've seen some
differences and we see the trend is still at the same, those mid laners till the very end. Do you
think that that trend will continue in this series, or is it a little bit different because of the
style of heroes, both BGM and Melvin play? I think it's a bit different from first pick to
second pick, but I think if it's second pick, we'll always see the mid laner come out last. I mean,
what else do you really pick there? I mean, you can make a case for giving it to your carry, but
that carry feels a lot less versatile right now.
But yeah, for sure.
And then on first pick, we would see it come out
on the 18 slot, so the last pick of the second cruise.
Well, the bands remain to be very targeted towards Falcons.
They have some signature heroes that they absolutely play well,
and other teams ignore them a little bit.
The most obvious being the primal and stinking.
Obviously, their housecar is also very good,
but a lot of teams are flexing in a little bit.
So one upper hand that they have as a squad,
I guess, for Falcons.
But the openings look really normal.
I feel like the shadow demon opening does not surprise me in any way.
It's just safe and consistent.
It could give them disabled issues.
And I think the SF response seems fine.
He doesn't care that much about being disrupted.
He doesn't really have like a hard disabled that he's really,
really upset of somebody counters with disruption.
And he can pretty much always right click somebody no matter what,
if he's demonic purged.
So this opening looks fine for both teams.
Yeah.
And then the only downside is if he gets disrupted later on in his aura is being
spread to something that that doesn't even matter.
Like he's a strong enough hero.
Should I just put it back?
What Shadow Demon does for a draft is it really stabilizes it from the very beginning.
It opens way for easy to play off-limits.
I don't want to call it that, but if you've got a stand-in, I would think about how do
I make the lane for a stand-in as easy as possible.
Heroes like Shadow Demon are like, okay, you can pick Suntor.
I'll be your SD.
I'll set up your spawns.
I'll set up your triangle.
Like it feels like a good hero to go in that direction.
That's true.
Jalkins have been playing a lot of crits, Jadodim is excellent.
They even did some like, SD plus Konka in the group stage one, as well, that they were trying out.
They actually went well in the laning stage, but they eventually stuck with other heroes.
Now that there has been more of a clearly defined meta.
How's your little puzzle, Jenkins?
I think Purge is jealous.
I am jealous.
That's a bit hard.
I'd like to...
Why don't you make it back to how far I got and give it back to Purge?
well one of the knots is smaller than the other one
I don't know you can look at it and judge with your keen eye
well you should also give me that out
I'll make it back to how far I got it and then
yeah I reversed it
if I did the same thing but in the other direction
yeah but that is not the case because like
they're not the same size
nice little funtors steal by Tundra
they ban out the Mars and Primal
or the Primal is on the first phase of Banzer
Uh, yeah, Primal Waves.
So they take out Primal on the first phase,
Mars on the second phase,
and then they take it back for him.
They take away the three heroes
that would be very comfortable
for Falcons off the map.
That's dirty.
That's a dirty one.
When, uh,
Snake King in the interview yesterday
was telling us what his level 30 heroes was,
I was sitting there thinking,
I don't know if you should have told us all that.
Yeah, that was a lot of information.
Also,
we'll let it be a little bit more.
But I forgot which ones they were,
so maybe Tundra would do as well.
Yeah, I think that's very likely.
Yeah, they couldn't write that down on the wall.
They could go back in the wall.
But I think the center doesn't come as a surprise to those guys.
That's the wrong team, obviously, so they steal the center.
My bad team.
I've really limited the offline hero pool that they can give perhaps.
I mean, I'm looking at his doubt of us,
and it says he plays a lot of axe with Underlord as well historically,
but I do think axe is much harder to pull off for a stand-up.
and Underlord needs for more conditions to be met right now.
Yeah, I definitely agree. I mean, Underlord is probably the easier one if you have to pick one of them,
because he can kind of play on his own island, anyway, which works for a stand-in.
I love Centaur plus SF, by the way. This is a very, like, team-spirit-style duo here.
You have, like, the crazy turret right-clicker that simply needs to be saved
to be saved and who can dish out a lot of damage from the centaur cart.
I don't know how I did it anymore.
What happened?
I'll figure it out, don't worry.
I may have grieved you.
You may have grieved it.
Just get a typical centaur combo support, right?
Like a hoodwing for Willow or Ringmaster or anything that can make the lane easier.
These kills, right?
I could make a lot for R, usually.
Or you can go the direction of...
First one.
Yeah, Shaman's good.
Double stun set up for the Sunfire.
Set up for Asset Bolt as well, actually.
I feel like Shaman gets so much.
So many good things right now.
You could also use it to counter some SD illusions too in the late game.
Like free hexes are not a bad thing to play with.
And frankly just free disables are guaranteed disables.
When you're trying to get picked off somewhere on the map, it really changes a lot.
I'm getting a lot of faith in that hero, frankly.
Shaman?
Yeah.
I think the cool thing about Shaman is that if you pick him when you're second pick,
you can't really get gotched by like a storm spirit coming out on 18.
Yeah, it's-
You know, like a spirit style here, it really secures that phase of your draft.
And right now, Tundra have built a very team fight heavy draft with the Supernova,
with the Serpent Ward, with the Requiem, with the Stampede.
I think for Falkins, they shouldn't even try to play versus this kind of teamfight.
It'll be hard to account for.
They should just try to take winning lanes now, as the strongest pick they can,
and just play for pick-offs.
I really like Slardar as a pick-off hero.
Don't try to out-teamfight them. It's too late to correct that now.
A nice amount of minus armor between DK and Slardar too.
Yeah, let's highlight the armor. I love that.
I love that what is this what is this hatred for is that hatred I am very much enjoying it because it's actually something that matters and
because
It matters I feel like we should mention it
But some people don't feel like we should mention it because we do it all the time and people should know it your bro
I'd like to mention that I've been waiting very patiently I
Don't know I got it further than what it is right now, but I don't know how I did it anymore. That's fine. Good luck. Oh
This is easy
Slaughter is nice because if you click your R on one guy and it makes it so that you're going to kill that guy
Like any carry matchup that's remotely bad is no longer bad when there's a slaughter on the team
He makes it so that you are going to win the carry to carry matchup if it's like a straight-up damage fight
Which is which is really nice regardless of other minus arm repairings if you just have any carry like they win the matchup
Obviously, there's a lot more to a Dota game, but it is very nice to have that guarantee.
So is this an off-lane Slardar that they're going for and not a mid one?
Because I see D-Chain, I think, okay, it's a Skeeter for sure, right?
But with this band-in, it's giving you the Slardar the easiest thing.
It feels more clear to just give it to Mami to hear the Slardar.
I don't know if I'm, like, over-analyzing the stand-in situation.
They did ban Invoker, which I think would do very well against Vlardar.
I mean, you can purge the Guardian's Frint, which is really nice, and Vlardar walks on
the wave a lot.
It's very easy for Invoker to punish a hero that likes to stand on the wave.
Let's see, and if they ban Queen of Hanged, okay, Void Spirit.
Maybe they do want to put the Vlardar off, actually.
Void Spirit is maybe baiting out a Puck fan?
My question is for Falcons, when they blink in with their heroes, with either their slaughter or the DK, and they get the Spun off, are they going to be able to secure the kill on a target?
Because they do have a pick-off heavy a draft right now, but the issue is Favad even does the damage a little bit more slowly.
those who have damage, but again it's over time. And if you look at Tundra's heroes,
like Shadr Shulman, he's going to turn himself into a chicken, right? Not the easiest hero to burst.
If Phoenix doesn't die in the sun, he dies away and press his supernova, then they can take the
fight on their turn. And if neither of these things happen, or like you're jumping in Asaph and he
lives, Suntor is going to stamp it away. Like your initial jump has to result in a kill, or the
disengages inevitable from Tundra. So how do you fix this? Like who's securing this for you?
All of this is very true, and it's always weird for Falcons because you know that Malorin is going to play a certain set of heroes.
I mean, I think something that would solve that is Queen of Pain, which we saw yesterday.
You take these long fights, the longer the fight goes, it's not just one and done, right?
You do have that in the whole, but if the fight goes later and later, you have the Aghanim Scepter.
And Alarine is not much of a Queen of Pain enjoyer recently.
Ironman isn't obtained by the Razor being banned.
A Razor actually would have been pretty decent for what Mira is mentioning.
Yeah, it's just that in previous games a lot of them we would see Razor in the earlier
stages of the draft so it's unusual to see him still in the later stages of the draft
and especially against a team like Falcons, but we respected a little earlier than that.
But let's see, it's Falcons that has to pick first because Tundra has overall last pick
and they will go for that buck.
And they do go for it, huh?
Nice to see Malmune on ranged heroes, you know?
He's a melee hero guy, but he's also ranged hero guy sometimes.
It's good to see him, you know, diversify.
Now I think, like...
Like it's steel.
Also.
I pick for both.
Yeah, it's good for both.
Well, any time a buck comes out I just think, okay, what is the, like, counter pick?
The spirit's obviously out.
Is Tiny fiercely still in the bowl?
Tiny is still in the bowl.
That's a bit wild that Tundra is getting
potentially a last pick Tiny against Puck.
I think they really like Tiny when they can
cuddle with it, but value a little bit less
when there's no cuddle, which was banned out by Fondue.
Definitely true.
They'll still go for it.
Too good to pass up on.
The answer is a puck.
I think we've seen Earthshaker a couple of times, but Earthshaker just looks so shit
as a hero.
It's just not that great.
The numbers are too nerfed.
With this tiny overall last, do we feel like the advantage of this draft is in the hands
of Tundra?
I mean, tiny centaurs.
That's a dank combo.
Being able to toss him in or toss back to the centaur, I need to toss into Requiem.
They've got Shaman against Puck as well, so if they ever catch him with Shaman, it's almost
a guaranteed kill as well.
And even like Tiny Combo on him would also be a lot of Disable, so it feels like they
have a lot of stuff going for them on the Timmie guy.
Is this the future?
What is that?
I think that was your tip.
It's probably my clip.
I think so too.
They thought it looked cool.
It did look cool.
Someone's taking drugs from the disco arrow.
How did the sitting still the whole time work out for you, Jen?
Is it good or did your skin get used to it?
I'm not used to trying not to complain and annoying people
because I'm just generally an annoying guy.
Can you move a little bit?
No, I'm not moving.
There's a reason our sitting still here.
Kevin, do your puzzle.
Final words on this draft, Effie.
Overall, I favor Thunder's draft, I would say, but I do think that Falcons, if they win their lanes, will actually be a huge map for it.
They have a lot of pick-off potential and they have the annoying hero that is Puck.
So we'll see. I just think that stand-in Falcons versus this draft of Thunder's will struggle.
Yeah, it's a question how we'll corrupt it. We have seen him obviously on the Centaur and that worked out great.
right how will he do on the starter we don't know I don't think it was one of
the heroes that's making mention yesterday on this level 30s intentional
he's a level 30 starter just wait that would be so fun looking up to our
commentary duo is he level 30 slaughter we are loading in yes he is level 30
slaughter actually actually yep that's a PI winner player yeah that's good that's
good he just mentioned a couple years I wonder now I wonder how many he's not
mentioned I mean he's friends with now Rean right that's true all his friends
are on the same wavelength level 30 horse car for sure we ever see level 30
sardar I I don't think we've seen a lot of 30 sardar and maybe move back that's
just an unusual here to get 30 super unusual yeah I'm super curious to see
how he'll play this hero ladies and gentlemen never potentially to have
been shown before a level 30 slaughter in the game let's head over to sauce
So I'm a sinner and buy out the pot jump funders.
Greetings, and we have a fight beginning to say hello.
The level 30 Slaughter is getting destroyed.
Not a great start for Falcon.
Pure Gets first blood.
Well, I guess the hype is gone now.
Welcome to your laning stage.
You get the honor of playing Slaughter
against Shadowfiend with first blood.
Hope you have a great old time.
Now, funnily enough, when the panel pointed out,
this might be the first level 30 Slaughter,
I looked at Corrupted's nickname and as his sponsor, he has listed a guy I actually think is Level 30's Harvar.
His name says Corrupted.XXS.
I think XXS is a Level 30's Harvar, so maybe he's just a big fan and wants to have the same hero pool.
Could be wrong on that, but XXS is an outstanding startup player as well. I'll tell you that much.
Also, shout out to PSJ in the green room who pointed out after the first two picks he was like,
Wow! Shadowfiend and Shadow Demon, they better pick Shadow Shaman for the full Shadow lineup
and that's what we're getting. It's the Shadow Bowl.
That's right.
And one team has two Shadows and they're ahead.
Incredible.
Maybe Shadow is the best Pokémon.
I mean, Ari is the best Shadow Shaman because he's the only one picking him, but he's also very good at, to be fair.
Yeah, that sounded very bad.
The way he plays very aggressive, he just throws his life away, which sounds bad again, another backhand compliment,
But it leads to a lot of kills for Tundra. I actually love the place that was pure
Well, he got the first blood on corrupted now. It's getting chased down. Oh, okay
Well level 31 smarter would have hit that one true
And only goes 30 sadly for him. Yeah
The fact that they're even close to killing notice a surprise for me. I'm not sure how
They even got in kill range with a shattered human slaughter against this
And they must have found a disruption crush with fire spirits on cooldown, otherwise Slarner can't do damage.
This is an exceptionally bad Slarner lane, I'll be honest.
I'd be impressed as he corrupts the dew even remotely well here.
Against a first blood hero in the SF, you can't attack against fire spirits, so you can't really use your bash.
So your moments of opportunity are essentially when fire spirits are on cooldown or all four of them are shot.
You gotta be very, very careful.
Obviously the moments are longer in the early levels, when Phoenix is level 3 and especially level 5, I just think we're not going to find anything anymore.
Okay, somebody's standing up to Jekiro.
That's right, and why would he regret that?
Well, he does have high base damage on the Shadow Shaman.
Shadow Shaman seems to be a whole lot.
Jekiro ran from a support. I can hardly believe my eyes.
Maybe he was just interested in other things. I don't think he's going to heal up now.
Found a new hobby down here. He wants to hit Centaur.
Yep, Falcons, they have a... kind of a nice minus armor strat with a DK, Slaardar, in the mid to late game.
As you can see, the setup with the bash, thanks for the disruption.
If you're asked to pop the verify, he is done so, though.
Crit gets credit for that one.
Parable lane for Slaardar, it seems.
Yep, apparently they can kill us off.
I am very surprised, but...
That's good news for Falcons. This is a lane I have already ridden them off in.
But this actually happens more often than I would expect nowadays, because what ended up leading into this was that white mong was pulling the small camp, and I think more often than not, or rather more frequently than it should, that leads to kills for the enemy team.
I think you just go for that pull and you immediately go to Esa. You don't stay at the camp, you don't try to get the last hits. You just split the wave, play with your carry, keep him safe.
safe, but it's on both of them to communicate this and set it up correctly. If Shadow of
Fiend keeps playing aggressively like Phoenix is there and then gets punished, then obviously
that's a mistake as well. But also credit to Falcons, they probably just recognized
that there was a small window there of opportunity. There's taken quite a lot of damage from just
creeps, which might have also been part of the problem. It's already down to half again.
That's his death, his CS has suffered a bit too.
So much damage, how is he half HP?
Seven hitters.
And it's on.
He's really trying to lane control and aggro on the creeps to split the waves, but that
could lead to this.
Crush is there.
Bash incoming, pure.
Gets up a couple of raises, but he's going to die again and Crit is going to live.
This is really weird.
Spirits on cooldown and he has half HP at the way. I
Just think they're misplaying this way. I don't think this should be happening if SF is full HP
He can't die if he's gonna acro the creeps this much
He needs a tango pack, you know like some sort of way of restoring health at least maybe white one can share him half a tango
Which is also not great, but it helps
That is so good for Falcons that they're getting this result already up here can't stress it enough
pure
In a lot of Tundra's games he is carrying his load. This game
is gonna take some time to get there with this delay. Shadowfeet just knocked a great door like it falls behind.
He's still ahead of Slardar in spite of these two deaths. Slardar is gonna kill him in assist now, but
and a death. He's a 1-1-1 monster. Yeah, but yeah, lowest in the CS department for the core is by a long shot.
33 playing Centaur with the best set in the world, of course.
Okay, of course.
He's not a huge Centaur in your sense, right?
Oh, he got inspired by Ace in the last series.
Yeah, he's only a gold Centaur.
Damn, the last time I've seen him play this hero.
He's getting beat down by Skeeter right now, gets off the hookstomp just to escape.
escapes. I wonder if part of his idea with this pick is as a pseudo solution to
Jikiro and Lane. I thought it was just to take it away from corrupted because
that's all he played. That's probably a big part of it too. It's just contested as
well. Oh, Ari is very dead here. Trying to deny himself to the Tormentia that's
spawning in 15 minutes. Yeah, and it's on the other side so he has some way to
travel as well as to go through the gate. I checked and it looks like when you
hit with Jikiro on to center you take two retaliates because your attack
splits that's right I love playing against you cure so that might also have
played a part yeah I'm there I don't remember the exact pick order I think they
picked sent or after to cure all but maybe it was the other way around I know
the center was second pick for tundra right I don't know they don't have the
exact only order though
yes center against the focus flyer type heroes feels really good you get taken
We saw that last series with Ace playing Centaur with two hearts against WinRunner, gets that 25 talent, global, not global rather, but the aura retaliate.
This isn't really as good of a retaliate game though, but watching 33 max this is absolutely no surprise to me.
Probably the single most farm intensive offlaner in the entire pro scene and this is Centaur's farming skill.
skill so he's kind of maxed that he's gonna pull waves and stack them farming
between the enemy towers currently might get some company now Malrin isn't
interested in going to chase him here we'll stick around mid being forced in
by all these years why do you think he hasn't been playing since I'm just really
curious because you can always buy this like for the last what someone's been a
year now the helm yeah I mean your guess is as good as mine I feel like this on
paper is a good 33 hero. He loves playing these super hard to kill tanky
offlane boys that can farm jungle and this fits the bill on all accounts so
maybe it's just a matter of confidence and personal preference. Perhaps he also
prefers playing offlaners that have a bit more kill threat. Centaur deal is
pretty bad damage compared to most offlane heroes. How dare you? Well it's just true.
You have one burst which is good for a bit. Yeah I think you're the counter strike
Like facet though.
Yeah.
Let's make sure nobody goes, of course.
Go counter strike two facet, which is the other one, and therefore it's...
Wow, it's not...
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, let's snuck into those jokes again.
No, you don't like it, Major.
At thinking about the past shadow fiends.
He's gonna get coiled.
Not gonna snap it, though.
Gonna try to stand his ground, but Corrupted comes in for a casual crush, and has an easy
easy kill as the rest of Falcons in 5 in mass for this tier 1 tower.
So that is death number 3 for Pure.
How much has he played Shadow Fiend?
A good amount.
I'll say not many teams would be willing to give this a way to Pure, but Falcons have
an idea.
So far it's working.
Corrupted will try to defend mid tower.
Probably gonna die for it though.
on the tower. Pierre comes in for a couple of raises, gets off the sprint though. Pops
a Lotus as well but it's not enough easy yet. Gets him with the tree toss. They're
going to find a little crit action as well it seems. Oh, I'm going to get him. Pog's
pretty hard. The Avalanche is going to allow them to catch up though. Do you miss the big
snake? Nobody ever takes big snake anymore. Uh, I mean it's good. I don't know. They've
I got nerfed, right?
What was the nerf? It was like two less...
Yeah, I think it got nerfed to effectively count for one ward less in damage, or two.
Made it a lot less appealing.
I think it still has its moment.
I think people are still underrating, but it was busted before.
Yeah.
I mean, chicken fingers is...
I thought that was going to be the best facet in the game.
first came out sounds crazy it is very good for landing effectively getting
yeah I think the projectile just being so slow with the auto attack is like for
later in the game not quite as good let's see rather just use your actual
hex I mean generally what you do is you start with hex and then when hex is
expiring you hit for a second yeah so you just add a second to your hex
Extiration effect was what it does. It's a label line. Yeah, it's strong though
Speaking of hex
Pure seemingly affected by a hex this game on his fourth. Yeah, I don't know what's going on with him 33
The bottom side of map though the toss from afar snaking goes down the BZM Malereen
He's puffed so he's okay. Oh, he's
stuck
He'll be fine. He'll get out of there. Nobody likes them
And that's why he has prototypical tanky, sand king type heroes in the mid lane.
Oh, step bro, I'm Puck.
I mean, despite all these deaths, 1k lead per tundra.
By deaths, I mean, literally just pure.
It's 4 out of the 5 deaths on him.
And by 5, I mean 6.
Yeah.
It's all good.
We'll get there.
Better than Matthew did the other day.
I don't say this is about reading, not really math, but still a 2k lead for Tundra.
Honestly surprising that they're managing to get this much more out of the map, but it's Centaur.
That's his lead against Flargar, it's the gold lead.
He's up 1600 against the corrupted Offlane hero.
Which checks out, he's got 40 more CS and no deaths.
And this is, I think part of the reason Slaughter is not as good of an offlaner right now as many of the others.
Yeah, they find Crit. Ruff is going to be sprinting away.
So Slaughter offlaner has a couple of strengths and a couple of weaknesses.
One of the strengths is he's a great amplifier for his team, if you have right click, which you do with a Dragonry.
He is a stronger laner than many offlaners if you have the right 4 and the enemy has the wrong carry,
Which in this game I argued they didn't but he still did quite well in spite of that
He's 1500 behind so is he really winning probably not
But it's one of his downsides is he just doesn't farm as well during downtime compared to a lot of these other off-laners
So wonder if going hell of the dominator on this hero could still be a thing
Beasy am snags the illusion rune nice little steel there still has that shield and active for quite the duration
It's going to be Crimson Guard for 33, a very good Crimson game.
Yep, standard.
Centaur, you go, Dom, into an aura, and then you buy either another aura or a blink.
He's still trying to find farm, just getting the lead out everywhere he goes, 1,000 into
his eventual blink dagger.
I love seared salmon.
What?
It's a good type of sushi, seared salmon.
I know that light little tort.
I think you've eaten enough today, Senator.
Torture him a little bit, that fish.
You've had three gigantic meals and it's...
That's incorrect.
6 p.m.
That's not true.
I had one burger with you.
It was a double.
It was a good burger.
Then I had...
Sushi, and then I had a little bit of chicken.
It wasn't...
I've had a lot of proteins.
It wasn't a little sushi.
It's like two plates of it.
smoke from time to 20 pieces it's not that bad 22 to be exact 10 roll pieces
and 12 here and 11 because one of them I didn't eat yeah you wanted specifics you
got it BGM has his blank now rain no it's gonna be a tough one scans are
coming out in the triangle as well and they're not gonna be able to find their
target so might have to reroute. Malrin is very wary of this as a possibility.
This seems like absolutely nothing is going to connect and I'm assuming the
Wisdoms will just be a split.
Maybe I'll find some more of an opportunity, maybe Malrin.
Oh, Malrin denying his own sentry, still didn't find the enemy one. It's still there.
He can't believe the camp is still blocked so he thought it expired. And now
It's gonna stay for another two minutes because this is gonna there's a minute and eight left on it
So it will cross. Hmm. Yeah the 15 minute mark as well
I will pure having to get out of lane completely to go into the triangle to jungle Ari
Finds a couple members of Falcons avatars deletes crit to start this off
Close already been expended. He's in just runs right through it might be a support trade
He's gonna try to hug his serpent ward for the right click schools to fight
One for one. Oh, he didn't toss him on smaller. Maybe wouldn't have been enough anywhere either half HP attempting to run
Completely owning him tree toss and the actual toss. It's enough only level four Sunray with hot spot dust
So much damage to Dragon Knight. That was ridiculous
He did stick lead 100 damage on Phoenix without ulting in that exchange.
And also credit to Tundra for finding Shatterdemon first, that is the dream first target.
They're seeing crit to work for Falcons in the previous series on this hero.
Yesterday of course.
Leave those against Maus.
This is not looking to be as easy of a challenge as that was.
Gleed for Thundra, especially on mid and off lane, just dwarfing the opposition now.
5k more or less with that tower pickup for 33.
In a classic ace fashion, he's just not leaving his lane.
He's just far.
Now why would he?
Can't kill him?
Just far.
And doesn't feel like he's in a rush to get a blink dagger, so we'll go for the second aura like you talked about.
We'll be the pipe.
And then eventually we'll get the blink since he will have to at some point.
I mean this is a great axe game though.
Cording around Shadow Fiend for the right clicks, even just the Requiem itself could
be sick.
But generally speaking just a luxury item.
Now they're just going to give them this tower for free, it seems like it.
That is not a good sign.
16 minutes tier 2, just feeling unable to fight whatsoever for these objectives.
And if Falcons are unable to fight for that one, what are they going to do about the Tormentor in 4 minutes?
Centaur likely to have completed the pipe at that point as well. 33 will just be the ultimate Aura bot.
Aw, they're going to find Crit first again. They will actually double whammy!
And they get the Sunray action. Shackle onto Mal'Rain, Crit will follow suit.
So two dead just like that and tundra starting to run away with his game
Yeah, they are
Are they close to anything? I mean it's the armlet mask of madness on Skeeter. Yeah
Feels like he needs the BKB to fight like this just way too much. He has the ogre club aka axe
But now has his blink dagger as the autobus, so I don't think that's gonna work
He's playing against so many stuns and fire spirits
There is a blink on corrupted and he might have shard by the time should have it
Yeah, that's how the tormentor comes. I wouldn't say any of these are enormous power spikes
Or is tundra like he said just those two or is alone. I don't know how you fight into that right now
Next hour next hour next hour
So easy for tundra to just move through that all they need to do is find picks with tiny and farm the centaur and seemingly the build just
The advantage is built to slow five a minute smoke pops. They find themselves the Phoenix fried chicken on the menu from Crick
Can't he go into the hookstop? They're focusing everything onto the jacquero as the ad lunch finds
The shadow demon, but a big requiem comes through that's both supports that for falcons
It looks like falcons still want to fight though
They get the dragon tail into the right clicks into the crush as well
He's yes, and her armor lord quite a bit, but 33 is there taking everything up the shackle connects as well
Well, as Peter left to his own devices, arm leading up though, but finally the Hex will
bring that to an end.
So BZM was finally killed off by the Falcon's side, but still, you're losing several more
members.
It's just not fair, right?
Centaur has a nice stun, and then he also has the dominated Centaur creep, which actually
looks much better because it's the serious Centaur.
looks like a... it looked like the real Centaur has an inflatable toy running
around. You know, while this pill is good, the response is even better. And look, it's
very clear that Tundra's game plan is just to kill Shadow Demon. Every single
fight they jump him with either the Centaur or the Tiny or the Shaman in this
case, leaving no space for crit. This is some of the lower impact we've seen from
him and it's simply they're playing so oppressive doesn't really get to nice
triple of stomp as well to set that up snaking war trapped by the exit did
this option a kind of awkward and that's gonna set up the finishing blow for 33
killed it Peter back in dragon form that you find the support couldn't get the
egg off again for white mon already takes the tumble as well only 40 seconds
away from this tormentor corrupted will have to stampede everybody else out
no snakes now for tormentor but you will have the supernova on the dire side for
radiant coil will not be ready purge won't either and DK form used is
probably the bigger one here skater will be quite weak for this upcoming pivotal
moment in the game you'd imagine that tundra will just start
They're still gonna smoke, they want a bounce on this apparently.
Well, they're getting scouted by this...
Dominator. This is just 33 in a nutshell, like...
Pulling two waves with this dumb creep.
They have so much minus on them.
They might try for it.
He kills the creep.
I would like to see them try this.
But with every second they hesitate to get a target, if it was right away, that would've been really good.
They had an instant... Well, then they would've been backstabbed to it's awkward.
Now it's really awkward.
Oh, it's a really avalanche onto everybody's
Thunder Raid of Fallow, that's a dead support to start.
The slaughter does sprint away.
This is gonna start the free Tormentor either way,
and they get that big shackle on the Malrin.
Unexpected kill there, but they'll take it.
Three dead.
Right now, you really wish you'd just taken the Tormentor right away.
Yeah.
You'd probably die anyway.
Yeah.
Dr. BZM showing up and dropping the hammer.
Ince the killing Shatter Demon, getting slaughtered down to 5% HP, sending them packing.
The funny thing is, this is a slower tormentor than Falcon's.
Oh, ways for ya. They're also not using Shatter Demon for it, in fairness.
He's looking for more, fishing here at the Wisdom.
Yeah, forces him out.
Oh, they actually have him out.
And Crit not quite in range for the disruption.
Nice play from Pure. He's been punished for this.
Previously in the tournament, over-aggression on the Wisdom, and he's been worked that time.
I mean, even the game, he's been, I would argue, over-aggressive.
He has the Shadowblade, and Silver Edge will be the next completion, which he's about to finish.
I ended up going Yashakaya without Link.
I don't know how much I've seen this from the Eitherroll, I said, really.
Just gets the faster raises, and of course, Requiem, but...
In unable to get in position, but of course with the shadow blade that's an alternative way
To the dagger and the break against DK and the slow against Slardar is godlike
It is so hard for Slardar to deal with being so rich. You can't use your sprint for anything
It's gonna cap your movespeed to 200 for those five seconds, which feels like an eternity
Avalanche dodged, well, harshly as Ari jumps in very aggressively again, puts down the
stirp of wards, kinda makes this an awkward fight for Falcons, they get the shadow demon,
blink away, for the puck, but Snake can get slowed by the early Sheevis from BZN, just
the farm coming out of Tundra.
It feels like these items are coming out way earlier than you normally see.
This is a team that's definitely leveling up in this tournament, Tundra are playing
very well lately
this is a monstrously given the lineups
look at falcons heroes you imagine this is the time of the game that you'd like
to strike with your slaughtered DK and puck cores
combining some spells and having high output the problem is your supports are
dying first every single engagement
barely seen Kurt play as hero
he gets the monic car job once in a while and then dies instantly after
Still, they're not going to commit to Roche. Interesting. Falcons. I'm actually not aware that they...
Yeah, 33 staying in the pit to make the scan red.
Here. Purposefully... I mean, not purposefully pulling Roche, I would say. I'm not sure what he's...
But hey, he has so much regen that Roche is barely tickling him.
I was going to wait outside the pit on this angle. If they go on Centaur, they're going to lose this fight horribly.
He is so overtanky.
Yeah, ironically, Tundra could have just taken Roche during that time.
Probably.
But, uh, any falcons?
They're about to get a scan, so that's a reason why they're not 100% confident about it.
Park showing top now.
That's the information they need to move forward.
Back into Roche we go.
Centaur can solo this in about two and a half minutes.
But he's gonna get the help from Shadow King.
and some fire spirits, and some raises.
Yep, looks like a freebie for Tundra.
And perhaps if they hadn't nerfed the serpent wards
against Roche, they could have gotten this a lot earlier. Remember them?
Some of these Shadowshawn and Limes gave me like a 15-16 minute Roche.
Off the back of that big ol' ward.
They've got nerfed and damage type against Roche, right?
Yeah.
Not only did it do less damage because they nerf this
Yeah, that's that was the nervous the different type. Yeah, that was the big one and then they also subsequently nerfed massive serpent ward in addition
I was wild for a bit
museum
Attack this family member the tower
Looks like Falcons might want to defend though. 33 sticking his butt as far as he can.
It's so hard for them to kill heroes though. There's Sunray, Crimson, and Pipe Ready. And
these are some pretty beefy boys, so the Sunray is going to heal a lot.
Sunray comes out, there's the Pipe as well. BZM with the Tossback. Crit, 40.5 HP. The
That's pretty low, he's actually going to get taken out.
So a good kill from Skeeter.
Oh my, that's a huge requiem on the mountain's face.
Goodbye.
Oh, we found a hero that can kill Puck.
Can you believe it?
That was 90% HP, just one shot.
Yeah, we're going to have to see that for sure.
That was thick.
Let's see that again.
Come on, Perch.
Yeah, good timing.
Wow. See ya later.
That was sick. Let's see it again.
16,000 gold in 26 minutes, not bad.
Yeah, this is uh, not looking good to say the least for Falcons.
I think Tundra came in as the favorites though.
For sure, but Falcons also looked better yesterday than they did the day before, which, I mean, isn't hard, but still.
I mean, I think a random pub game would have been more impressive than that.
That's maybe a little toxic.
Okay, I love Falcons. I love the players. I love the coach.
Big fan. That was the worst pro performance I've ever seen in my entire life as Corrupted gets killed.
It was out of any team ever.
Literally ever.
That's no way that's true.
For a tier one team? Absolutely.
Okay, absolutely.
Have I seen worse pro games in general that are lower than tier one?
Of course.
Tier one?
No way.
That was harsh.
Harsh criticism.
You had apparently the best burger of your life today.
randomly it was very good
but you said the best burger of your life
I said I don't remember having anything better
I said I thought it was great
it's very delicious
you specifically said the best burger
okay well it is the best one if I haven't had a better one
okay well it was very mid
yep that's because you don't have any taste buds
because they get ruined by overexposure to sugar every day in the US
so you can't really taste you know
I like complicated flavors
just slapping mayo on something doesn't make it good necessarily
it wasn't the mayo
It wasn't the mayor that I was dripping with may have 17k lead for tundra
As a lotus orb now picked up for 33
You'll take off silence can reflect a bunch of stuff takes off the crows pants
Which is maybe the biggest thing because once you lower that armor he looked relatively killable
otherwise, though
More difficult
any wisdom steals look like it pure do you want to head over there alone now it's
28 minutes it calls to you for wisdom shrine pure do you want experience buddy
yeah you have an ages you can't it's gonna be hard to die twice here
hey pure you want some experience that's a good ASMR that's right should start a
second career we should have a cosmetic for the wisdom shrine as Amaril
Probably a little too sexualized. Pure on the high ground now.
Speaking of sexualized, your favorite Centaur set, I think we're...
Yeah, that thing is sexy. BZM jumps in, but can't really find a connection.
Sunray is healing up to a high degree. The right click coming out from the DK are kind of tickling BZM because of the Crimson Guard.
The numerous to the other side is Pure gets off a Requiem that does finish off Spare K.
And now the Sun locks onto the DK, and that is a dead Skeeter.
No buyback for him
Aegis gone, but here we'll come right back and get this bit set of barracks
Well, we were behind schedule, but
Tondra have to go through a badminton match so they're in a hurry they have to go to
One of those bathtub streams
Make an appearance on Amaranth stuff.
If it's on NA ours then we've got time.
Get your swimsuits ready, gentlemen.
Going for a dive into the base.
Not from the junction with the DKV. Coil onto several heroes,
but the sunray against Inder and this thing is just doing so much work.
Yep. And it looks like this will indeed be
second set of barracks for tundra another toss back from vzm cred takes a
double edge who's thought death second set is now official
tundra gonna back away at least soft reset if not full two minutes for the
next potential Roche is actually such a smackdown they're almost a thousand gpm
up. Two minutes and one game away potentially from a hot tub stream. The thing that's worrying
about this game for me is that I think Falcons are playing significantly better than they
did against Liquid and they're still getting destroyed. Like, but I don't have the same
feeling as I did in that game though. It's just they were super disconnected. They weren't
together. They were casting spells poorly. They aren't like- I hope it keeps that curious.
They aren't drastically misplaced on the map with their heroes, I would say.
They're just getting super outplayed by the pick-off potential.
Like the blink toss, the blink hex from Shaman, and of course all the auras from Centaur.
It feels like a big part of this game was lost with 33 getting the two ore items.
They just can't kill them, even if they take what I would say on paper are decent initiations
and engagements and good fight selection.
The numbers are just not in their favor.
And that is a big part.
He didn't have this the whole time? You're kidding.
He didn't have one.
It felt like he had it.
He barely used his egg.
That's true.
This hasn't even had to.
That's right. I think he's used it one time.
He has two sunrays now.
Good luck. It was already bad enough with one.
It's, um...
I think this is...
In this meta, and then how this tournament gets played,
I think this is a really big problem with running offlane slaughterer
is that
if you don't snowball the game
the enemy offlaner will have these items
and you have
a dagger and a bqb
it does feel more like
it is not even close in impact
I mean the place that we've gone
that has more impact is the mid lane
I mean you're in the river, you get all those benefits
you can get the blink dagger a little bit earlier
get some ganks going
I think mid slaughterer is just better
offlane feels kinda meh right now
but they're obviously, they're sticking to their
Stand-ins preferences, which makes sense. You have a stand-in, you want to play to his strengths, but unfortunately this hero is just not strong.
And I think in the next game, Falcons might just first pick Centaur on his fleet, just to get it.
Well, it depends how many level 30 heroes he has, Centaur.
Yeah, true.
Skater, gonna run right into him.
Okay, good start.
Very big kill and look at the damage applied to BZM despite having the EKB and the pipe and the crimson and all the likes
All right, two kills four Falcons showing some signs catch them slipping
Hold off that hot tub stream one more minute. That's 4k swing
Another six of those were even
I wonder what their Tundra's record is with Ari playing Shadowshine.
I feel like it's good, really good.
I'm getting in word from production, he has won before.
That's really, really high.
Of course I didn't get in that work, but I don't like to lie to the audience, and I don't like you.
Keep it real.
Oh, baby! It's a cart!
Time to put Shadow Phoenix in that cart. I mean, you could put anybody, really.
But what happens if Phoenix is in the cart and presses Alt?
Then you have an egg in the cart.
If you could drive around the egg, that would be really funny.
Of course you can.
You definitely can't. The egg must pop out, right?
Why not? You think the egg pops out, I think so.
That would be funny, though.
I think eggs and carts sounds realistic to me, Cinder.
Oh, I didn't like the burger, it didn't have enough egg in it.
Egg, what the hell, that can be nice on burger, to be fair. I like some.
Some of that. Alright, Hail Mary Falcons, this one better work for you.
If you give this Aegis over to Pure, I think the game is done, though.
Scouting up?
BKB from Pure a little bit early but wants to secure the goodies and he's gonna get most of them I do believe but they're jumping from corrupted.
Did he get anything on this? No, he didn't pick up anything so Tundra punished this severely.
By severely I mean they get one support kill.
Although Skeeter still attempting to run away, getting tossed, getting slowed.
Pure would love to help.
It goes the gap a bit more she could only hit him with silver. She could force PTV
Yeah, he's gonna do that now gets the break
Disruptions gonna save the time being corrupted though gets requiem in the face and Skeeter trying to right click his way out of it
Doing a pretty good job the macro piers there as well. That's life number one for shadow feed. There's the egg though
No, Sunray. Where's the Sunray?
There it is
Now the heal up onto pure, feeling invincible in the cover of fire, corrupted Vy's back,
and crit.
Nowhere to go my friend.
This is surely the end of game number one.
See, divebacks on the Slardar.
The Tundra.
They show up big time in this game one.
Damn.
There's a cart!
It's a cartel in a cart!
Hell yeah!
Yep, that's right.
Thanks for that.
I didn't want to be driven actually.
tossing him into the fountain but he will survive courtesy of being centaur with 25,000
net worth.
BZM looking very happy with that victory, pure looks like, alright, it went okay.
Nobody's happy with that, it wasn't good enough.
33 looks like he has a hangover and white lawn, like, yep, I hit agg.
They are, that's eyes on the prize.
They're definitely low.
He looks shell shocked from playing Shadow Shaman every game.
Laser focus, not even cracking a single smile even though they kind of toyed with him almost
that day.
Marine, regretting life at the moment.
Oh, that's Hello Darkness, my old friend, for Crit.
The lighting doesn't help.
I mean, snaking.
I'll say, okay, that's Hello Darkness, my old friend.
That's the bullshit thing.
So, my goodness.
I mean, sometimes maybe we read too much
into the player camps, but I will say,
we've seen games from Tundra where they smash
the enemy like this and there's like more
laughing and smiling or whatever.
I think they're still very much focused
on the fact that they need to,
they feel like they need to heat up
and really get to the key potential here,
because I genuinely believe when Tundra playing their best,
they're still in the running to win the whole thing, potentially.
Probably still third in powering is behind Aurora and Liquid,
but this was another great showing from them.
Tundra 1-0, start!
Start what?
Start what?
Starts?
More like finish, that's what Tundra did.
They finished Falcons.
I mean, I feel like it was a little bit more one-sided
than maybe what we're expecting here with purge, dank, is it?
Actually, why do you feel like, why was it more one-sided than we thought?
Um, didn't we give the draft to him to Tundra?
We did, but was it that overwhelmingly clear that they had a better draft?
No, you're right, you have a great plan, because it does look like there's a lot of
wire power in Tundra's draft, especially in the early game,
and we saw a little bit of that in the laning stage.
Unfortunately, they were getting up farmed, but there was also no way to clearly fight the heroes of Pundar,
because you're playing against Buntower, and you just have to get a Crimson Guard,
and you have this Bardar who's going to get a Blink, and then they start goofing up with all of their teamfight,
and a Crimson Guard, they saw them push bottom tower, we saw them take Roshan, they saw them take top tower.
There's no clear reason to play against Buntower like that, with the draft that's off these parts.
Yeah, that's fun. If you're relying on physical damage and a shadow demon support, who's normally supposed to amplify the damage you do,
so if the Crimson blocks the physical damage in the first place, the damage that's being amplified is not being increased.
Well, it is being amplified, but it's not very much. That causes problems, and the enemy mid was a Tiny.
Tiny naturally has a lot of armor, so he has a lot of armor.
And he has Crimson Guard if he frontlines, Shadow Fiends can be covered, and then they also can counter the puck having the Shadow Shaman.
and Ari played fantastic in a lot of those fights.
He'd blink in and hex the guy,
and then instantly run in Tumblr toiloway
and dodge like Slaughter's counter initiation.
It was really cool.
Yeah, in the meantime, Jenkins is doing the puzzle.
You wanna show the progress?
We know that there's one side that's thinner
than the other side.
We're just trying to figure out how to move that part
past the other knot and to get it further on.
So this can be...
Just so you guys know, the thief...
excuse me barbells the copyright that's the that's the part that's smaller just
saying it for future reference okay see different cooked cuz I can't cook yeah
happens it did get quick this was a baby feel me now this was a level 20 oh
sure level 30 slardar we said all 24 30 slardar I feel like if they do a
better job pressuring shadow fiend even more with lardar and if there isn't like an enemy tiny
i feel like they may be a better shot because then they could have gotten more kills
or they have to fight where their opponents are spread out or they'd have to delay the
crimson guard and take fights before that or there's like a lot of different options i'm not
saying any of these are easy to do but these are like ways to exploit the fact that their draft beats
yours and that specific way i guess my question to that would be like you they killed shadow fiend
three times in the early game, right? But then Shadofin just goes into the triangle,
takes socks, groups up with his team, and it just goes downhill from there, so...
Yeah, that's hard. Should have been 18 times.
It should have been 18 times. Yeah, but I think that when you pick a lineup,
that's meant to win lanes and do pickoffs, and the five man from the enemy team starts.
Probably what you really look at is, did we take fights from the wrong places,
or did we die in the wrong places? Because the call should have just been to ignore,
but the issue is when they were ignoring each other and the kill score wasn't going up or down
Tundra's networks were just going up like my favorite thing about watching Tundra is nothing can be happening on the screen
But they're not worth just climbing. It's like up one cake up two cake up three here
But that kill square hasn't changed
This is not a team that you want to play static against and if you're going to play static against them
You have to pick heroes that form faster than they do which is already difficult to do
There's a couple things I've heard you would like to highlight as well. I heard that's right. That's right
You know what's powerful?
The red hop beam of a sun ray kills people because it's hot and it's the end of it.
And look at this, look at this kill here, this is a dragon, I mean.
He's dying to sun ray only.
That hero never dies easily, I mean there was a little bit of timing there too but that
blew my mind so that was really nice, that's kinda solved here.
And then check out this fight here, that tundra choke, downy hero feint is already dead here.
But they're still fighting this.
Nice techs on the Shadow Shaman.
They're supposed to port to die right at the start.
And then they say, you know what, we're gonna fight anyways.
Well, they're gonna press Crimson Guard at some point here.
And then they're just not gonna take very much damage.
He waited a long time to press that.
I don't know if it was just on cooldown or what.
Plus bringing the second Centaur in from the side there.
It was giving vision.
It just, that was a really cool way
to take the fight for turn to there.
Supposed to lose that one due to being down one arrow,
being down the egg to Sunray.
But they baited out the Crimson Guard plate really well.
So that was a cool moment in the game, and I think it really showed the value of that high armor in terms of guard.
Thank you!
You're welcome.
Can you show me where the little mini bit is?
It's on the screen.
What did he want to see?
So, basically on the toy thing, there's four possible places where it could slip past, and we found the one which gets us halfway through the puzzle.
We think it's halfway through. Maybe that's where we're locking ourselves in.
But if it's the sea, why wouldn't I be able to move it back or did you change something to not be able to do it?
I may have.
Because I feel it.
The nut has to be even, as flat as possible, to make it like it's...
I think of an opening.
No, because it is an opening.
You have to turn it up or horizontally.
I don't think you can give your ass up, to be honest.
I feel like this hero has a 100% contest rate for a reason, and an extremely high win rate for a reason, and Pure was the guy who innovated the Taya and Yasha build from the safe lane.
And now everybody is copying. I get there's a lot of heroes you have to ban against Tundra. I would rather play against 33 Largo than a Pure SF, to be honest.
And I think Falcons would prefer to be second pick so they can use the ban, the extra ban.
I have to strongly disagree with the Largo point.
Like can we think of a different 33 hero to give up?
Because that Largo looks like it can't lose.
You know what? They had first pick. They could just have taken the SF themselves.
They took SD over SF.
I feel like, I don't know, if I'm in a game, I'm not, oh no, they have SD. Who cares? Good support.
I know what you mean, and that would like, I guess to me, what we were talking about when the draft was happening, is that if you've got a sand in, you're trying to accommodate, right?
And this is a team that likes SD anyway, but if you're, Alflaynor is in a position where like, he's just coming in mid-tournament at that time of practice with you,
with you I feel like the easiest way to draft around him is to pick sb plus melee stun hero
which is what they did and they got a lot of kills on as i thought it just wasn't enough
i accidentally moved it back to where it was and now i'm back to square one this is the wrong music
give it to me shoot but i want to put it back to where it was kev fine i can do that i also
show that but it's not and the music is which pre- oh I didn't got it pressure on me
it's not about the deviously hidden trick we already know the trick
we have one trick what is it is it we're gonna figure out the second trick maybe we'll even do
it in this upcoming little break purge we'll continue to find the second trick and potentially
The second trick will lead us to victory. Who knows? We have to re-break.
Leaving like that, maybe there's a way from that position.
I think it's there's a way from that position. After a break, you can turn the microphones up.
I think there's a way to do it.
I
And I don't even know what I used to try
Cause when the beast stop heaven and the body get chumpin'
Everybody get on the fly
See if you use your mind or use your crew
They know that you're doing alright
And if you ain't in the mood I tell you
What you think of something that you've done in my life
Just give me the beat
Cause I just want to move my feet
I just want to move my feet
I just want to move my feet
I just want to move my feet
Cause I just want to move my feet
I just want to move my feet
Now
Go on, tip them.
See you later.
Tip them.
Are you stating this?
What the fuck is this?
I
Come on, let's go!
I took a trade guide
Through a galactic paradise
I found a moon rock
Bouncing around my eyes
For the earth's shift
It was a gift of bad reviews
And grandma take it
For the best adventure
I'm on my way
And I'm taking you in, baby
I'm on my way
The sun can't breathe
Take those stars and skate to the future
I'll run my way through the best adventure
It's the best
On the best adventure
Give it to me, give it to me
And when you take the time to let it slow down lay back and then unwind
Just tell me what you need this quick extortion will get you back on your feet
Welcome back, you are watching the new season of 208 and we are in the middle of our third
series of the day.
I know we're really behind schedule, so far it's been a very long competitive day.
Every single series has gone the distance and the little birdies telling me that this
game, or this upcoming, well a little birdie-bubbering, I kind of feel like it's not going to happen
for this series, because this game one, pretty rough in the meantime, something that's also
looking pretty rough, our potential to stop in this puzzle and therefore solving the next
puzzle as well on time, but that's good, that's fine, can give more than point, more than
crew, points as well as they were a way faster with these little gizmos, as we recall them.
Curious to see what Falcons and Thunder have for each other though in game number two.
Poppins won game 1. Purge, it was easy.
I mean, I wouldn't say it was easy. They still did play the hearth out.
Looked easy.
Come on, it looked easy!
Look, I don't want to downplay how difficult it is to even like, lose that quickly to a team like Tundra when they're playing that well.
Because like, I don't know, I just don't want to downplay. Like, they're both fantastic teams, but Tundra definitely was stronger than that one.
They haven't been weird sorry I'm just really thrown off cuz I couldn't beat the puzzle
Yeah but I have a plan
The sculpt scheme is very low right now
What do I use?
I have a plan
Never
Never eye in the fruit
Why do you think I'm wearing this shit?
No zero
I'm so confused right now
Me too
What?
It's like an optical illusion basically
It's like one of the pieces
Very small
I'm not talking about a puzzle, I'm talking about you
I'm gonna keep talking
I'm telling you why I'm thrown off
Okay
I hear you
Puzzles very it's like one specific angle that you can get past the nut and then afterwards you're like well
Now I can't move the nuts at all and I can't get this
Slightly smaller piece past the nuts either because it's closer to the center radius of the nut
I'm sure you'll get your nuts, which you could also say is a sexually offensive, but not
What is the sexual thing about bolts?
It's a rod sheaver.
Just because women see him and then they bolt.
Exactly.
That too.
They see me and they're like, that's a nun.
They bolt.
It's a small circular thing.
It's like a bowl.
It's a cylinder.
It's a bowl.
A what?
A bolt.
A bowl?
A bowl.
It makes you think it's round.
It does a ball.
It's round.
Oh, jeez.
A bowl is also circular.
Oh, but bolts.
Largo.
It's in my head, it's something circular.
The bolts in the straight line.
There's a spicy one.
This is a spicy meatball shape.
Spicy meatball?
No.
They left in Largo, Treant, and Shadowfiend.
That's a big tree right there.
That is the big tree.
Big 30 tree, if you will, if it's Largo.
I like what this treeman does.
It certainly wins lanes and you can do a lot of pressure on the mid lane as well if they
If you have a cure that you can pressure, like a Largo who obviously is going to blow
the game up at 16 minutes, if you can delay that by like two or three minutes, would they
hear like true, some nice shrine or what's it called, twin gate rotations, I think they
would be really good for Falcons.
I think we saw this exact trade earlier today, right?
Tree for Largo.
How did that go?
Was that good for the Largo team?
I think Tree lost today.
Oh!
Good for him.
Is it?
Yeah, maybe he'll lose another 10 movements feed.
Oh yeah, higher chance of not.
Actually, this was the only game Liquid lost.
Oh my gosh.
Wow.
They had tree natures profit, the double tree lane.
The thing about Largo right now is that it feels like the only teams that are
playing him in GIF stage 2 are the ones that are good at it.
And in GIF stage 1, maybe what we were seeing out of Largo wasn't very telling of the hero's power.
Yeah, people playing it because they feel like they have to.
Yeah, and now that the specialists are playing Largo,
it really does feel like this year's...
Can we get points for that?
Oh my gosh, you...
I don't know how I did it!
That is really tight.
That sabotage, Dusty, I'm so sorry.
All right, just throw it out the ground until it comes loose.
Yeah, that'll do it.
Really stuck?
You'll get it. I'll get it back. I'll get it back. I put it there again. Get it back. I'm not that strong. Come on
Okay, they banned the centaur.
With Largo, it feels like he hits this timing. It's not that the Ag's timing is too difficult to play against,
but then it becomes the Ag's plus Kaio plus BKB timing, but it's just overwhelming. At that point,
it feels like the hero is creating way too many issues to address and
And it seems like the best way to exploit Lardo is just online with like really bursty carries, you know, things like Ursa, things like Clinkz, anything that can just crush him early on, and then the burst him later on on the first act.
This is not the small one.
Well, they grabbed a solid hero against both of those heroes, if that's the case.
Blimey and Light can be a decent level 1 skill that you can grab on Caudal.
The cast range is kind of vast, but it does decent damage now, and adding some move and
moving your opponents away from him and giving some mistchance can be great against either
Clink's or Ursa.
But even Ursa, like, you get your thing just on two.
Here.
Here, and here, Swipes.
Overpower.
Overpower.
Oh, from Malik.
Oh yeah, good point.
Yeah.
Oh, and it also heals. The nice thing about Call of Largo gives them decent lane, and it makes their heals even bigger.
The biggest way to kill Largo, and the best way to beat Largo, is to find him first and kill him at the start of the fight, without a doubt.
I'm a little surprised we haven't seen teams explore more with Doom, to be honest, because if you Doom the Hero, then you can't play songs,
and you can't give yourself movement speed, and your armor goes away eventually, and you can't heal.
But with that said, maybe the matchup just isn't good.
I wonder if Kratos is going to do it against Largo.
They do like that idea as well.
Definitely on to the winner.
Razor Tree.
What an insanely strong lane.
Imagine playing Largo on a Razor Tree.
Ow.
Poxic is that.
I got it.
Both pieces past the first...
Not the ball, but not past the first knot.
Did you?
Yeah, I did.
I mean, that's normal operating procedure for us, isn't it?
What?
Have you accomplished anything new?
This is new.
Both of them, at the same time, through the thing.
This is now the stock position.
Ah, yes, very good.
All I need to do is recreate it once, and it was there.
I'm confident of you.
Yes, let her cook.
She's good at this.
Okay.
You know what I wonder?
How long until ancient apparition makes a re-emergence versus this heal meta and all of these holy lockets that we're seeing?
These Phoenix Sunrays, these Cautobus, its Vargos.
Like at what point does this hero get reshuffled?
When the Atlanta stage is better.
Let me get buffed. I think we saw him in group stage 1.
Yeah, we saw him band at group stage 2 once.
Hit or miss. It was mostly miss.
It got very punished in the laning stage, it was difficult to hit the ice blasts outside
of the laning stage.
It might have been...
Virtua, promise this is new.
Yeah, I would love to look at it if you don't mind.
The other one, you know how the one on the C is a small side?
When you have that, you can push the other one through horizontally or whatever this
is, vertically, actually.
There you go.
Yeah, it's definitely different.
Thank you.
got one of the center pieces past one of the nuts or one of the loops somehow.
They made it worse or better.
Better.
Almost there.
I think so.
I'm guessing you have no idea how you did this.
Yeah I do.
I pushed it through, I just told you.
You just pushed it.
The one with the you and you on it.
Oh you pushed the U's against each other like this.
Okay.
Okay, so what are we thinking then we have a bane we don't see bane very often that doesn't mean we have this Muerta as a core
You have hand lotion on shiver. No
Why is this sweaty and warm okay?
greasy
Don't give me that sound
Is that why it got passed?
I got some vaseline in my pocket
This puzzle is very sexual, the words that I'm hearing.
Oh, did you lube it up?
The nuts and the f**king, the bolting and the what's going on here.
Anyway, so Moira Tsukari has been played quite a bit, especially recently.
The EU carries love out of a pure especially,
he's had really good performances on it.
And I think the logic here is you see the heroes on Falcons,
there's not really anything that's going to get on top of you.
Right? These heroes are fighting you from a distance
and you should be able to be fine, right?
So long as your lane is good.
And from what I'm seeing, the lane seems really good.
You have this lane picked up to secure the lane,
but also giving you that BKB piercing disable
for the Razor, that way to grip him,
that way to kind of keep him in place,
negating that threat from Razor.
I also really love the Caudal plus Largo combination,
not in terms of like, oh, he'll give him mana,
but when Largo's just farming
and kind of doing nothing for 15 minutes,
let's be honest, the hero doesn't do much 15 minutes.
You've got this Caudal like stacking for you,
Blasting the wave, like defending the tower, you make sure that you don't get run over too much while Lago is getting to that point, or he's getting strong.
I'm not a huge fan of Tide Pick. I mean, I can see the idea, like the lane is very strong. Like you said, Mira, Tundra is going to be like AFK farming with Caudal Largo for the first 15 minutes of the game.
So you want an off lane that's going to be applying a lot of pressure, but I think outside
of the off lane, Muerta against Pied is nice because you can fear him back into the silence.
It's like anything that's like a ground targeted silence that you can't crack and shell, sorry,
blubber.
It's called blubber now.
And anything you can't blubber off is not something that he likes to play into.
So this makes me think like it's a comfort pick for Corrupted, perhaps another level
30 Grandmaster hero for him.
Don't try I don't know I'm gonna give the changers for I don't know if you made it worse or better. I can put it back
They they keep giving corrupted to me what I'm seeing from last drafts opener and this draft here
Like outside of the tree being just great in particular. They're giving the strongest pick in the draft consistently to him
If they're really going out of their way to make the game as easy as possible on him
And that's a nice thing to do, but I would have much rather like
Make this the Skeeter Hero for sure, I mean maybe they want to keep the Flex open but
they don't have Last Pick anyway, so just lock in the one core that you think will carry
you here.
Or just Malarine's Hero if they don't want to, I mean the Flex will be revealed anyway,
they don't have Last Pick on Falcons.
But I understand, like that's the best thing to do is try to accommodate your Sandin when
you get him last minute.
It is good, especially if it's somebody that doesn't have a lot of competitive experience,
I think leaving them in a comfort zone is by far what's going to help the best because otherwise
There's too many things up to like update you
Maybe said more time to play screens of them. This might look like I think a couple practice matches would help with this confidence because
God knows we need to practice puzzles before today's broadcast
Do you think it's better or worse Jenkins
Well, it's a new it's a new state in the state machine, so I'm
cool with that
See it's getting stuck on one of the bolts. I'm trying to find if one of the one of them smaller than that's a good point
There could be sick there's six edges, right?
So that's right. So I'm trying every that's a hexagon
So it could be one of the six that she ever tried that happened to be smaller
Yeah, you're after rotate could be a combination since there's two bolts on each side
That's like one six times one six to find the correct answer. It's like a combination lock
All right final picks coming in Falcons will need to reveal it's a Lashrak coming out
So that's the thing is we see Lashrak mostly in mid unless it's liquid the skater play ledge. I
Feel like I've seen them before but it's been a while. I would rather choose a mid Lashrak. Yeah
I don't know if I like it, it makes a lot of sense with Ravage, you want to output as much
damage as possible in this Ravage because it's your only stun really, like there's
going to be the root coming out from Treean, then sure there's Bushrock from Hoodoink,
but there's counterplay to those things.
So you just want to make sure you're going to kill people in this Ravage.
But I don't think Bushrock is in a great state right now, and I feel like the pick is very
exploitable from Tundra.
I think it's like one hero that could potentially punish the Largo much though
because you do have a lot of single target damage with that bulky dipped and stuff so
Maybe ganks on the sideline there is what they're thinking
I think it's the edict does damage a lot slower than it used to on Lushrock and I
Watched this played out a couple of days ago. I forget which team it was but they had a Largo versus Lushrock situation going on
And Largo is owning he was just out healing what Lushrock was doing later on in the game with all the pulses and
But early on it can definitely rotate on him and kill him
That's like a great point there like lots of combo from the soundtrack. Yeah, this is a low 33 down heavily like that should be the goal
Right. Yeah, but later on in the game. I just don't feel like it's that good of a hero
It's maybe Palsa Falcons also trying to cover themselves against
Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, it is against Marta Marta carry. I suppose I got confused for a bit
This is very a cuddle combo with
with the mid laner, like usually they run either Tiny or Ember, and I mean there is
space to pick like an Invoker or something, but then you don't really take advantage
of your Caudal, but BZM has been playing incredibly on his Ember Spirit, he's just
been like destroying, so I have a lot of faith in him in this matchup.
Yeah, Vessels should be good.
I do like that Lestrak can pressure either Largo or Marta, that's one upside here, because
they needed a little bit of damage variation on the Falken side, they were a little bit
weak there.
But I think it looks pretty good for them.
I mean, their teamfight's very good.
They've got Ravage, Woodwink, Trialty.
Skeeter's going to be running in.
They're sucking damage from them.
I'm scared about Largo Plus and where it took core.
I feel like that's got to be good because the attacks song
is giving spell lamp.
And it's taking a percentage of your damage, new magic damage.
That's like double damage in the same vein
that she is dealing on the hero.
So I feel like it's especially with the shard.
I bet you the mechanics are busted as the game continues.
you get a lot of but the math works really nicely so it's kind of a cool
variation of the Largo build. Yeah I think there's too much ranged damage and
too much ranged control for Lashrack to be really effective like if he's getting
gripped from a distance if he's getting dead shot it away if he's getting like
hit by Clawdoll spells it doesn't feel as good to run the Lashrack and as the
game progresses it's gonna get even harder against the Largo so for Falkens to win
this one they really need to crush the lanes and play a very snowball-y kind of
way because if the game slows down a little bit I don't have a lot of faith
I'm just curious what Cinder thinks because I know he's a huge Lush Rack player.
He's big on the Lush Racks.
Hey Cinder, can you tell me if he's level 30 times?
I can't in a moment.
We're loading in.
He is level 30 times.
Actually?
Oh my god.
Actually.
Oh no.
Why do you think I'm a big Lush fan, Jenkins?
So you're just randomly saying stuff without having anything to back it up with as usual?
You like horses.
Oh, okay. I knew there was something. I think this guy likes...
Oh, that's the other guy.
It's the year of the horse!
Neil loves talking about horses. He gets to do it all game.
Enjoy, guys. Something's in the room.
And he's, uh...
Yeah, well, there's no horse on...
There's a horse picture, but it's not the word, horse, but you go...
It's all yours, guys.
Can we get that as a soundboard?
That'd be great.
I'd probably hit that. Actually, that's a bad idea.
I would be hitting that.
Oh, okay.
Oh, the demonic horse.
Some fans are gonna like that one.
Finally, that makes sense, it's all you guys, it's all you guys.
Thank you for the throw, we appreciate it.
We'll just sit here awkwardly while you guys sit there awkwardly.
Oh the post sender!
There we go.
Beautiful!
Welcome to game number two everybody, Tundra versus Falcons, Falcons lose game one.
They have...
This is actually very soothing.
Can I keep this on the whole game?
Falcons! Need to win! Who should they pray to to win this series?
To the Lestrak gods! To the level 30 Tidehunter!
Pray to Amar, that's not here. Give us your energy. We must extend this to a game three.
I'll be honest with you, Shannon. This is not easy for me to say. I think the team with Trent is significantly outfaked.
Why? I am very worried for Falcons here. I think it sounded like that was the
consensus among the panel as well that they think ultimately Tundra will
outscale them and there's a lot of pressure on them to execute cleanly.
And I think that is a very daring strategy to play when you have a stand-in.
And when putting the stand-in on Tide, who is very much like an equilibrium
hero in a way, we need to know the limits. He knows the limits of the hero. I'm not
worried about that at all. But they as a team need to play a very clean game. I think Largo
Caudal is just ridiculous if you don't have anti-healing. Yeah, maybe that's part of why
they picked Lesh, that they wanted a Meteorohubai Shiva and plays fast. I can see the logic
there that that's going to work with your anti-healing, but Malrin isn't even playing
Misanthropy. He's playing Chronoptic Nourishment, so he's going to do less damage than with
the other build. He can hit towers though, so maybe they will try to run tier ones down
before, maybe that's the idea. They're like, Tundra's gonna win this league. We're gonna
pick a mid hero that pushes fast. Maybe it's almost that simple.
Corsenaking, all his trees have been destroyed. Oh my god.
What?
That was not...
He knocked down a quarter HP.
He'd sure he wanted to get a leech seed off if there was a sentry even if he got it off
We were going blinded and killed anyway. I feel like yeah, that was not good. Okay
Well, that's the problem when it's banned every game. You never get to play it
Plus you get as corrupted
It's like he'll be fine, but super bullied out of lane already. This is a strong lane where it's a pain
Yeah, the the tree's been banned so much you assume that he's invulnerable
It's also part of it.
Yes, that's a hero issue. You know the hero is broken, therefore you overplay.
Nice bush black, pure against anchors.
The death. Crit's setting that up in spades.
There is a nightmare. Corrupted.
He actually helped Whitebunner on the way without taking damage there, but cute attempt.
Still...
Two for one overall for Tundra.
And finally we have the mid lane of Ember versus Lesh.
Now, this is a lane that I think Ember can draw, if played correctly, with Max Blameguard,
which is what we've seen be the standard.
It shuts down a lot of Electrax's harassment.
Now, with Chronoptic Nourishment though, you can just keep attacking to regain the mana
and maybe win this mathematically.
I'm curious to see...
How much did you get back each auto attack?
It's a percentage base?
Yeah, it's a percentage.
It's 25% of the damage dealt by your attacks.
So get Divine Rapier and you get...
Yeah, mana back.
That's right.
All right, getting blood gain, but the Lick, the last moment from 33, pretty good game for
Lick I have to say, taking off Living Armor is the main one that I see.
Yeah, that's really good.
Pretty damn good.
You can also, I think you can pull people out of Bushwack stuns because that requires
you to be tethered to the tree.
Yeah, possibly flashing, feels like a lot though, and the right clicks from Snake Team.
That's something that has not changed, is Tree Ant, his base damage is a bit absurd.
Yep.
Some major upsides to this hero, of course. There's a reason he's banned almost every game.
Invisibility to walk around and place warts that you don't know about.
His shard is one of the best in the game, the eyes in the forest.
You don't really need to buy regen on the carrion lane because you can just keep giving him armor and using leech seed to heal.
It's very strong.
And through the battle for the Lotus, Whitemon just sitting pretty.
He eats the Lotus, is crit, getting quite low.
Here joins the party, but he's not doing a whole lot against that Tidehunter right now.
BZM in that mid lane, 15-2 versus the 22-1 for Mal'Reen, so as expected, Lush favored
to start the game.
Lush is more ahead than I thought he would be, but I can't say with confidence that that's
outplay on Mal'Reen's part, or if I just overestimated Ember slightly in this matchup.
I didn't expect him to win, but I thought maybe he would be doing slightly better than this.
And of course give some more merit to Malrin's pick.
If he can consistently get this result, nice dead shot.
And Crits gonna get a boot of whack off though.
Gluggernave hits him as well.
They're very low now.
They'll probably both have to back or send out cells.
So, Bane is not very popular now.
I think the hero's biggest downfall is that it doesn't farm during downtime,
and therefore it is not as good as most of the supports
almost every other support has got a farming tool
big damage on the pure bottom actually
yep the bushwhack is dead and the right clicks are enough so somehow falcons have
come back in this lane
another one
yeah another blood grenade into a gush
okay
crit owning it up
really nice play calling from him there in spell casting just to all of us
what i was gonna say was bane
Valve tried to give it a farming tool by giving it the shard, but then you need to buy a shard in order to start farming worse than other supports.
So what you're saying is, just give the shard by default.
Oh yes, then it's much, much better. Then the hero would be picked more.
But yeah, it's hero probably would be picked more still.
It feels like an unfortunate circumstance of where, obviously, it takes a long time before the player's truly mastered the new map and whatnot, but it's like a circumstance where...
mid lane, and BZM, and he gets the TP support. The lick is actually enough to kill off Mal'Rain, a great TP for 33.
And in the meantime, they kill Corrupt at bottom 2v1.
Yeah, this is a consequence of the bigger map that there's so much farm on the map that now supports are expected to wave clear,
and they're expected to find farm, and Bane just can't do it. And on top of that, even if Bane could wave clear well,
You really want the hero to be hidden because you want the threat of fiends grip and nightmare setups inside lanes to be something friendly to make you more to worry about.
The problem is in order to do that the waves need to be pushed and since you can't do it you're just putting more burden on your teammates to do it instead.
That's why we don't see this hero played so often.
I wonder what prompted Tundra to run at this game.
And we're 33. He's sticking around.
There's the leg takes off. It gets up the frog stop as well. Don't have to worry about the living armor.
A lot of damage, but now 33. He's gonna pay the price, it seems.
Trying to get to the high ground, but he takes that eventually. That's actually pretty costly as BZM
getting harassed by Snake King.
Is he gonna catch up? He is 5-0 speed slower, so he can't.
He's gonna keep trying. It looks like, well now he has the tree bonus.
Yeah, as Plasma feel eventually does get the kill from Skeeter very long chase to now RA. He is really fast, but
Skeeter at the very least will steal some damage 33 level 4 in this lane
This is definitely a decent start for Falcons. This is what their lineup needs is to get ahead early
If you just let this Largo farm if you just let the caudal stack and they all get to do their thing then
Feel like the critical mass point will be too much for them to handle, but if you're playing from ahead
It might just be possible to end this game before it's too late.
I don't think their line-ups good against Largo.
I think that's my biggest worry here.
The only line-ups that have seen beat late game Largo
are ones that have ridiculous single target damage
who just overwhelm him and kill him.
Like once he starts playing all of his songs and does all the OE healing,
it's great against Razor, it's great against Lesh.
That's where my main worries lie here is this overall first pick from Tundra.
From my perspective, it's more or less unanswered.
Kind of good news that he heard the falcon slide, that he came mid and kind of, I don't
know, feels like he lost a couple levels potentially by just sitting and waiting and being patient.
But you can see the farm discrepancy between him and the Tidehunter not remotely close.
But despite some of these kills coming in for falcons corrupted, not off to a great
farming start.
It's a difficult lane.
When Crit has 90 there.
BZM with the steering chain.
Bushwhack again.
Illuminate, not gonna do much.
We'll have to run in a way and now the rotation from snaking will ensure that white lawn falls.
Unfortunately for Alreen, the rune was top.
So BZM will get a vis.
Working on the vessel unsurprisingly.
This is the standard build on Ember right now.
What expect and that is indeed the case now rain
This is another part of why this year was good against ember lesh loves to buy grieves and you can remove change
You're gonna remove vessel
You can move solar bind which might actually be important this game as well
That's usually a problem for less wreck to get slow to a crawl
But once you encourage it that helps you probably gonna buy BKB as well
We'll have both BKB extra good against marita
Speaking of gonna get a nice
That's going to be a nightmare, putting a lot of pressure on Corrupted here.
It can force him really far, just the close to his cells.
We'll have to TP out. He actually TP's to the tower, so...
We'll hope for the waves to come close to him. Maybe have to spend some time in the jungle.
Yeah, if they can somehow find a kill now, then that's going to be pretty...
pretty bad for the tide with having to walk all the way back with no TP.
That's mid lane, Malorraine.
Well, able to take the tier one very early because of that passive.
You can see a little detail here. It seems like when 33 is playing Largo, he skills
Amphibian Rhapsody when he has Kotlin on his team, otherwise he doesn't.
He feels like he has enough mana, nice blinding light, and will play themselves out.
It does hit the Froggy.
Why am I even excited?
He just licks it off.
So Overgrowth used to no effect and speeder.
He's kind of low, pure making his way over as well, but no dead shot in range there.
Snake King will be the sacrifice for Falcon.
Frogs not used, lick as well, 33 with the kill.
I didn't even think about the Overgrowth just dispelling that immediately.
Yep.
You need Shard to use it on an ally, or to use it on both the ally and yourself.
I don't think the dispel works on both of you when you have charge. I think you only dispel the ally
Really? Why is that? I don't think it's considered
I mean it's a single target
Dispel
Feel like that should work unit target buff, but actually doesn't apply a unit target buff
Feels like it's a buff. It doesn't it doesn't apply a buff to your ally. It dispels
It doesn't give them anything you're saying a dispel is not a buff
No, I was when you put something on a hero and they get something on their bar
Like right now you space boots, which is a buff when you like an ally. They don't get anything on generally
I agree with you, but it would be weird that it wouldn't synergize with itself. I think it doesn't you might be right
That work to be extremely strong in this case
Now we're making his way to the bot lane die ball edict
He used a pretty good effect with this siege tower
there as well. One more diabolic to ensure the second tower taken for falcons. Meanwhile,
first grip of the game with a frog stop on top, first damage from illuminate,
snaking down and out. Oh, they're gonna rotate though. Malrin's very strong and has to get
finessed. Corrupted has to use Ravage, Malrin gets the split Earth, the heal comes out and
out corrupted surrounded watermelon will explode eventually nice push whack
though into the sharp shooter pure does end up going down to speeder though as
now the froggy on the run 33 is a very little man in the work with that
static like should be enough to ensure the double kill for Skeeter
Okay, Falcons with another play.
If only they had picked Kaz this game.
Now there is BZM with the vessel.
But imagine he's more interested in getting involved now.
A couple of these last fights that Falcons have taken.
Haven't seen much response out of Tundra's mid.
But in spite of that the gold's still even.
even. As far as I'm concerned that is still good enough for Tundra. I think they have
to force too much until they hit their stride. Largo wants to hit his axe, you want Ember
Vessel which you have. Will be Greaves for Mal Ring, so he is close to the Mal Fur, the
ember. And speaking of dispells, Skitter will brush the Manta. I want to have another solution
to that. For him, Tide doesn't need it. He's got him. He's got a big belly, that'll dispell
it. And Crit, he's found out here in the jungle, swiftly filled off in a very even game. But
often a very even game but we've kind of I mean I don't want to get thunder too
much credit but we have seen a lot of these Largo games where it looks even
he gets aggs they start building a little bit of lee they he gets a couple
more items and then it really just pops off I don't think that's giving thunder
too much credit we've seen it enough time maybe it's no Largo credit Largo sorry
it's that's the hero we the sample size is starting to get too big to ignore this
point. Like, I think it was Tsunami pointing out earlier. Largo is 9-1 in group stage
2. And the one game it lost. I forgot what it was. Who's the new, what the trade-off
was? Was it Shadowfiend, Treant, and Jakiro? I'm not sure. It was definitely a pretty
meaningful trade-off. I remember it. Oh right, it was where I think it was
Parvish in that Lost with Largo where they had a horrible mid-matchup. I think
they were playing Void Spirit into Viper, got stomped in mid, and then it wasn't
really Largo's fault that they lost. He just couldn't compensate for how bad the
rest of the game was. Oh, a rare miss from Crit. I'm not sure how that one didn't
to the tree. Surely he had that in the circle, no?
Yeah, we'll just assume it's a bug since it's a crit.
Yeah, never miss, never, never wrong.
Oh, good try from Malrin. It's Flitter.
Ari is here, though. Dead shot into the blinding light.
Very nicely played.
You're getting healed to a respectable amount.
Let's have a look here.
So, I thought this would clip the left tree.
The left tree?
Yeah, that didn't work that well.
He's pinging the...
Oh, he's pinging the debris, because maybe it can't pull?
Wait, is that a thing?
Maybe it can't pull.
He's pinging it like...
Oh, maybe he misclicked because he was trying to...
Like, the verticality of that block.
Like, maybe he clicked too far down on it or something?
Yeah, possibly.
Right now top two networks in the game though on the Falcon side
It's by a minuscule amount though it does feel like I don't think this lead is big enough. That's my overall
I mean we're gonna require some ramp up
Yeah, Laura goes well to some degree
It's it's more that I think Falcons at this point in the game would like to be up by like three or four thousand and have the perspective of
of both of those in down one or two more towers and guarantee they get the Torn.
It's by no means looking terrible, it's not like that, but I don't know if you've got
enough bang for your buck with your lash.
Now there's the Maelstrom for Pure, and I can accept her not too far away from 33 as
Well, and then BZM was he at his spirit vessel and it will be Shiva's, but pretty far away on that one.
Either finds himself a frog static link to start it out.
BP should be fine.
Who do you think the best Largo player is?
Hmm
Team 33 played a bunch collapse had some great performances
There's a big ravage coming out from corrupted splitter
It's not gonna be used actually that man anymore dead shot white one does get anchor smashed to this grave
We corrupt it
Looks like he'll be able to walk away. It's a lot to use just over the pain kill, but that's a big man
They had to do it so
I'll have to settle for the one.
Can you get more out of this now is the question.
They have good vision on the side of Falcons.
Three pretty deep wards courtesy of Triant and Pudwink both being good warders, both being
able to tree walk.
And that's why they're on.
Find one here.
Now Reign.
Find a bit of security here.
Yeah, the Remnant comes out eventually, definitely miscommunicated there.
That one sucks because you overgrowth and you can see lesions in the middle of his animation
and they're like, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, let me hit him again for another route.
Then Malrin stops so I can do it, but then the animation for the stun is too long.
That was a kill with proper execution.
That one sucks for Falcons because they knew they were supposed to get that kill.
Yeah, Tundra just gonna go right back at them.
Oh, they can get speed or this would be crippling for him, already at half health, gripped up,
The TPs are coming, they're too late.
Yeah, that's a big kill.
And they might find snaking too.
Yes, just hiding in the trees, little creeper.
Tundra now a little bit of momentum on their side with that Agonym Scepter purchased from 33, so we can sing those two songs simultaneously.
Notice how many centuries Tundra are already placing in the top half of the map, this seems very premeditated too.
Stop variant from getting control of that area leading into the tormentor, but also just
Expecting snaking to be playing up here quite a bit
So either we're able to catch him there
What the pipe on tide you imagine Falcons would love to try to fight for the tormentor for sure I
Feel like the most important five minutes of the game are about to come up
Yeah, I mean 33 is gonna have his kayak by that point. That's a pretty
Value item for that hero. Yep
And
I thought he was close to it, but why I'm on
ATOM lens I feel like it's just required on Bane, but still a ways away
The BZM farming quite well close to getting the plate mail finished so just the recipe basically for the Shiva's guard
I mean how early do you want to see shard on tree? It's the question. I'm gonna see the overgrowth
Really more of an exit strategy, but not much of an exit.
You'll still have that ult for the 20-minute mark.
I mean, I would like to see him buy it now.
I think going into the solar first, I think is a mistake.
If you want to win this game as Tundra,
Oh yeah, nice split arc into the bushwhack,
they're not going to play with their food this time, crickets to kill.
I think you should get the shard on Trian and start taking control of areas as much as possible.
If you want to win this game, it is on a timer.
Let's get her.
Get out of this, okay?
He keeps the port from Falcons trying to turn this around onto the Ember spirit.
He has the remnants though.
Remember, we're a minute away from Tormentor, so nobody wants to use anything big.
Ravage almost certainly will not be popped until that point.
In case you missed it, it's kind of crazy just how freely 33 can farm.
He can spend his entire monopool with two songs, farming all the camps.
Then he can backpack his eggs, get Chakrad once, and be up to like two-thirds mana again.
It's bizarre.
Smoked from the Valkans.
Looks like they won a Pounce before the 20-minute mark.
Yep.
And they have the team fight.
Largo is probably the perfect find.
See if they would have found him while he had two items loading in from the backpack,
That would have been amazing, but not the case, though.
Tundra gonna group up here.
Imagine the smoke is imminent.
Pure will be taking the gate angle.
They're actually not gonna smoke.
They're just running in there.
Largo in front.
The Falcons are in much better position right now.
Are they just conceding it?
No, Tundra.
Or are they still interested?
They're probably in a tier one.
They're just gonna go for it.
Falcons is.
And yeah, they're looking at it.
A little bit surprising.
Maybe the tree will get it. No, he won't.
Great. I mean, that's also an excellent charge though.
These charges are both high impact in this game.
You want the Hunter's Boomerang is going to allow Lesh to do a lot more damage.
Potentially, you can find the kill on Largo.
So we've already established this guy becomes the centerpiece in most games he's in.
As a wise man once said, when there's a Largo in the game, it's a Largo game.
that sounds really familiar he is
the hero for both teams to deal with finger-lickin good
so he will be finishing the full SNK
into shard actually
frog-stomp, mission failed, he's gonna burn
RE there, 33 gets to the shrine
Yeah, that's interesting that he's going for short a little bit earlier than we've seen.
Why is that? Does he want to use, I mean...
In terms of his own kit, the only thing that Inferior works on then would be Croke a Genius.
Yeah.
Unless you're wrong about the lick.
Yeah, either I'm wrong about the lick or he just wants it for the croke for...
It's a ton of damage from where it's at.
Or for Ember.
Yeah, Ember as well.
Let's go down first.
There's the Shiva's. Pretty big power spec for Tundra.
What do we have going for falcons?
So speeder it was that just a faster than this patch average on great healing Lotus. I didn't see that
Wow, wow nice good job. All right, keep it up. Jenkins Jenkins. Yes
Insult VZN I'm so sorry snaking it's burning up
We'll get the remnant out to get a nightmare though into the steering chains
Illuminate actually does clip him into the lick
There's a vessel immediately after he's trying off his Shiva's flight of fists dodges the splitter
It's gone the hunt
Boomerang though here comes guitar man
He's yeah pretty low on mana is a static like a flying to 33 just trying to sing his way out of it
The plasma feels gonna slow him down, but Skeeter he's the one burning to a crisp. Look at this
Oh my god, and now now rain getting extremely low bzm running out of resources pure is there though to finish the job
That was quite a sequence
Feel like razor was chasing but really he was the one getting chased
I think it's one of those moments where you're just like in disbelief. You keep changing you're like
I will eventually win this I am a razor with a max static link
Even deal damage to the Largo
That was thick. Let's do it again.
I mean, look at this. Largo has 30 armor, and he's just pulsing healing and damage simultaneously. Nice mantle dodge and nothing.
And then, I mean...
Wow.
That is the perfect reaction for 33. That is what that deserved. Just a little chuckle in it.
Okay. What?
That's Largo gaming for ya.
What are you doing, Skipper?
Can't blame him.
I mean, it's just, I think you can't blame him.
I don't think that's very smart.
But, you're kind of in...
I don't know.
That was an enraged chase on the frog.
Your instincts on Razor is, I must be winning this.
Like, you win that against the other.
I hear those, right?
Yeah.
Largo's just...
Yeah.
He's just not any other hero on the scene.
He's just frocking it up.
I personally, of the conviction that this hero should be banned every game until the tournament's over.
Not like by default, I think the teams should ban this hero.
I have yet to see a convincing solution.
The most interesting solution we saw proposed was, I think, by Tundra when they picked Doom for 33 against it.
They still lost the game.
It was a close game.
It was a very close game, though. It got very late.
We see an ancient apparition against it.
Yeah.
A few times that hero was picked.
It's not reliable enough, I think.
It's like you hit the ice blast on Largo, and then he pops BKB and just runs up with his second song where he can't catch him.
The healing thing expires, you go back in.
I know that's oversimplified, but really a lot of Largos fights tend to last 30 seconds.
I don't know if you feel this thing, but I feel like with this here, it's just a numbers thing.
I don't think conceptually that this will be a problem.
No, there's a hundred different ways to nerf this hero.
And for what it's worth, I think he's only overpowered on three.
Smoke from Falcons, Malrin, Blinks, and Splitter, with the pulse of Nova, Whitemon does die first.
But look at the damage coming out from Pure, just takes out the Watermelon, now Skeeter.
Round number two, he won't believe it as second time it seems, does the exact same thing.
And he's gonna end up dropping to a couple more right clicks, with the living armor keeping him alive.
The steering chains though, is there to ensure the kill again.
And now Malrin left to his own devices will drop as well
Falcons all three cores dead just like that in 33 taking a little swim in the enemy base. I
Regret to inform you they are fucked
That's where we're at. Okay, that would have been a good video for you to make the beginning of the tournament
You're fucked
Just point right at the camera. Yep
They are getting nothing out of their razor.
He can't go in against Largo.
It's too strong.
Look at that, it shakes the trees.
That's cool.
I never noticed that.
Yeah, even that Largo can do.
Sure.
Yeah, gets off the calling, style is pretty strong.
Has the damage to take out the other.
So that's basically a team wipe.
We'll just call it there.
Can you get this tier 2 as well?
Alright, realistically, let's talk theory now for Falcons.
What is the dream fight we can envision?
Let's disregard whether it's realistic.
Let's just say the heroes are in proximity of each other.
How do Falcons win a fight?
I think they have to ravage Largo plus any saves simultaneously.
They need to hit that into a Bushwack, Shark Shooter, Boomerang combo, with Leshrac standing on top of Largo the whole time, and Razor draining him.
And then he might die. Now he has Glimmer.
And then what about the rest of the team?
And I know it's not ridiculous, but genuinely this is my problem with this hero as a core in this patch is...
I think if you go on anything else, Largo will out-heal out-damage him.
He will heal with every pulse, and you will damage with every pulse way too much.
Nice tank there.
So you have to go on him first, but it's almost impossible to kill him first.
It's, uh, this is as close as we've been to a checkmate hero, in my eyes, in quite a while, where I just...
Maybe I'm not thinking too creatively enough about this, but...
Yeah, when you combine it with the heals from Ari, for example.
I think Pure was about to lose his Aegis, but now back to full HP.
Now the Renekton try it as a last hit chapter to get a huge ravage.
They get the kill on the Aegis.
Now the Overgrowth. The Lyx is going to take it off.
Ember's in a lot of trouble though, but the heals are continuing to come through from both the Frog and Ari.
And again, Peter just stuck in No Man's Land.
Everybody's sustaining back to full Malrin. One more try. No, it was just a splitter up into runaway. Pure.
The runaway is not actually. That's true.
Honey, VZM has plenty. This tree ant is certainly dead.
R needs a bit of time.
I can continue to spam away.
Now to jump in again, but the calling's gonna silence Mal-Rain.
The frog stomps on top of the dead shot as well, and he gets bursted.
And Corrupted goes to the back line. They're just gonna call GG.
This series is over. Thunder 2-0.
They knew what they drafted themselves into.
Foxen's a well aware of the trajectory of this game and what needs to happen.
And it didn't happen.
And that is the Gigi Tundra.
Smiles on pure space, and I'm 33.
He's like, how could they give me fraud?
Yeah, I was gonna say the exact same thing. He just holds his hands to his forehead, and he's like, I can't believe it.
I got Largo again.
My opinion is, when we're seeing team to experiment now with letting multiple top 2 heroes through, like this draft, Shadowfiend, Largo, Antrient were available,
And Falcons took the trade, Triant for Largo, and I think this was a gambit from Tundra saying,
we don't think your stand in place Largo.
They might have done some scouting in pubgames and seen Corrupted doesn't play it.
Then they can offer up the trade knowing that Falcons won't take it.
They're gonna get the Largo themselves a second pick, and then they can just built a line of around this,
and they know exactly how to run it and what to do.
And you just saw, that was honestly a valiant effort from Falcons in the base defense.
They were not that far off of breaking them.
Caudal was running out of mana. Largo was running out of mana.
Pure almost died twice with Aegis.
But that's the thing.
If you get close against Largo, if you can't finish the job, everybody gets back to stable and they just clean you up.
And clean the game.
Nice game from Falcons.
Excuse me, Tundra.
Great job, Falcons.
Great game from Tundra.
And we're almost back on schedule.
Bye.
Okay, there's no way Rebecca's schedule is still like an hour and a half behind. It's all good though. Well played Falcons
No, it's not late Thunder, late two Otis. I'm actually very annoyed with the puzzle in the meantime
But to teams like Falcons might also be very annoyed at the puzzle that Tundra threw at them because they also could not solve that one, Effie
No, I mean, I just don't think you can away Flurry Rose to Tundra
Period, but then again, it's it's hard to say because you can't find everything
With that being said, ban this one, we saw why, but Largo aside, I think Fundra played a really
clean game, but it's quite unusual in some ways actually. We had Largo TPing mid really early on
saving museums and tower dives, and then 33 actually stuck around to try to gank on the
six-minute power runes and go back to the lane when he died. It just, it felt a little bit like
they were having fun or trying these things, like they didn't play so bad and better those first
I will say that is very 33 coded to like realize that the next objective mid is the rune and
that he was like already there for the TP rotation so he's like I'm gonna stay like
he's so good at there's like a certain flow that people expect the Dota game to go and
he will often break it.
I think Khor's TP mid is something that more people should do.
The first person that I ever saw do this was Collapse.
And since then, it was Primal Beast.
So it's a hero that Topson was also doing it, ganking sidelines level 4, stuff like that.
I think Khor's showing up like that.
You just don't expect it as a mid laner.
I thought that was very nice.
How's it going?
Well, I just wanted to show you this.
This is how we got it before.
And now we can also do that.
Wow.
Okay.
Okay.
again for the camera. Oh, where is the camera? Like that? Where is, I don't know which camera it is.
I'll see if somebody else can solve this puzzle. This man solved the puzzle of Team Falcons. How
you doing, Ari? Hey, how are you doing? I'm good. I'm very good. I need your honest, honest opinion.
obviously Tundra Falcons is one of the age-old combinations at this point. Would you say that
this series, like how close to full power did they feel like when you're playing against them?
Yeah, I mean I would like to say that we were just like so good and there's nothing negative
done but to be honest yeah they feel pretty far from full power so it's not quite the same kind of
of a sweet victory that we had the first blasts win against them, so yeah.
I mean, you're still doing very well in the group so far.
How about playing versus a spandon?
Did you do some research into like his grandmaster tier heroes and ban that out and change your
drafting based on that, or did you just kind of go in the same as usual against Falcons?
Yeah, you definitely adjust the different players with different hero pool and different
strengths. I didn't personally, but from what it sounds like when we were talking about the
strategy for the game, it sounded like he'd be like Centaur, and it sounds against his best hero.
So we kind of felt that it would be really contested between both him and Netter,
as both like it a lot. And also because ST's being picked by them a lot, and Centaur's good
against ST, so we knew that this hero would be really contested, and therefore we increased the
the value of it. For example, yeah, so you do it up when it's a different player.
Cool. How involved are you in that process? Like you said, it sounds like this. So you
just like heard the boys while they were drafting, you're like, oh, they came up with this.
Are you just like going out on your own and coming up with heroes and pubs? I remember
this is how you used to be. You were like the experimental guy that will come up with
the new fresh things. Is that, is that how you still are?
Yeah, so I'm not that involved in coming up with the draft or having the final say or anything.
Of course, I contribute to ideas, and I have them, and I'll pick up people, but that's
kind of like in the late stages, I guess.
Like when we're starting the game, then we'll have a discussion.
But in the first place, it's mainly Net and Moon, I guess, during the research and designing
what to do.
And then, yeah, for myself, yeah, I kind of, I say I go through phases still, or I have
heroes I really love and I tend to lean towards the ones that are a bit more interesting, maybe
they haven't been fully discovered yet, maybe I feel like I can particularly shine on them and be
ahead of the curve in this way. Obviously the cut-off is going quite well right now and there's
actually one or two more heroes that I'm working on in scrims. Oh nice, I definitely feel ready
to put out right now that I've not really shown so far but just haven't, yeah just haven't seen
the moment you had to pick them but yeah I'm still kind of like that I like to be ahead of the car
on these things. Cool good to hear I mean it's working for you I wanted to ask about I remember
like ages ago in an interview we asked you about picking your heroes and you basically said like
I'm gonna force my heroes in the draft no matter what until the enemy team either beats it or
just bans it would you still describe yourself as that sort of player if you find something good
you'll just play it over and over and over again until they ban it?
Uh, I'm definitely less like that than I used to be. I would say up until about a year ago,
I was kind of playing here at like, at any given time I'd have three heroes I'm completely obsessed
with and I would want to play these three heroes all the time and make sure I'm the best in the
world at these three heroes, this kind of idea. Whereas now I'd say I'm a bit more balanced,
I tend to have like, maybe six, seven, eight, I really like and I'll kind of just go through these
on what's the best hero for the game out of these.
I feel like it's a nice balance of having a pick and a terrible for any situation.
But also feeling like I have the expertise on these heroes by not spreading myself too thin.
So yeah, I'm a bit more balanced now I'd say, but I definitely still have heroes that
I'm obsessive and I really want to play every game, even to this day.
Yeah, the caudal seems like one of those. I'm curious, like do you think the caudal is
a very strong hero and maybe you don't have to answer it exactly, but
But I personally feel like the Caudal is a very strong hero.
Other teams should pick it.
But do you think it works because of the players that you have on your team?
Like for example, BZM, he loves playing Ember, he loves playing Tiny.
Like you guys have really good Caudal combos.
Is this a team-specific thing for you guys, or is Caudal just generally really good right now?
Bit hard to say because I'm not seeing anyone else look good with this hero,
or even want to play this hero that much.
So I don't have a good sample size for it. All I can say is that I felt the hero is really strong
and now I actually trust me quite a lot of practice to feel confident with it.
Like to the point where I feel like I'm not griefing lanes and I'm having good timings and you know
this kind of thing and making it reach a reliable point where it's actually a really strong hero.
There was definitely some grief scrims to start with and the grief buffs as well.
I think one grief official too in this tournament.
But yeah, S1mple size is small, but no one else is playing this strong.
But I think it's strong. I think there's a lot of layers to it in what makes it strong
and a lot of difficulties to overcome in making you reliable.
Of course, PZMH4 is part of that, Blading is part of that.
Your items are part of that. There's a lot of things that make it a bit tricky
and other heroes that S1mple is for.
Like you can't really go wrong if you pick her in Gwilla.
You can go wrong if you pick her Dwarf.
It's more complex in this way, but I believe in that a lot and after the practice time starting to make your walk now
That's definitely working. I personally believe the recall coddle is literally the hardest hero in the game
There's so much grief potential with this hero
I actually gave you a recall coddle to be honest, you know what? It was really good
I I wish they've nothing so I had this so I could stop playing it. Yes
It's so it's so frustrating the grief potential. Anyway, I have a big P over here for some questions for you
Hey while we're on the coddle topic
Do you ever get value from his innate, where you can't go below 75 mana?
It's one of those things where if you're in a game, it's kind of hard to notice because you'll just focus on other things.
But there's definitely some moments where it comes into play. I'd say it's like mainly an early game.
And particularly if I do a 3-1-1 skill build, then you have pretty bad mana management with that build.
And then it actually comes into play a little bit. It's definitely not great, but sometimes it does, depending on your skill build.
Okay great and then I have one more question about Shadow Shaman I've been
enjoying watching you play the hero. It feels like you're getting a lot of
value from here moving around rapidly and anticipating where your opponents are
going to be on the map. What kind of like a thought process goes into that?
Very bit different scheme but I try to just do what is good for my team's map
based on what I think they want. Definitely like lots of things going to
you're trying to predict where enemies are going to be, where they're going to be able to be on
number, where they're weak, and at the same time what benefits your team, what makes them up better
for your team, which guys are actually killable for you, who on your team you need to be with you
to make the kill happen. So it's kind of hard to answer, there's a lot of factors to go into it.
There's certain types of players that are quite good at this type of hero,
I'd say one of them, and therefore it comes in more naturally to me, they also have a lot of
all the games on this road.
Is it hard sometimes to get your teammates to come with you when you do land those disables?
It can be sometimes, yeah, but in this kind of moment I would just blame myself and say
that I didn't call them early enough and didn't plan to play well enough, because if I called
it really strongly with enough time in advance, then the guy's gonna come.
It's only really, I can only really blame myself if they don't come in that point.
So if I think of it this way, then you don't blame the team so much and you can make it
better for the future.
Very healthy mindset, thank you.
Hey Ari, I don't have a question, actually just a suggestion.
I think you guys should order this from a place called Birds.
It's in the city center.
It's really good to go to get food there.
I'm assuming you guys are gamers, probably not leaving too much.
It's great to wilt birds and you can get the dumplings.
They're extremely good.
Okay, thanks for the recommendation, I'll try it.
Okay, thank you so much, I appreciate talking to you all the time, and we'll see you again, congratulations.
Thank you, bye.
Bye-bye.
Great Eastern European food. Amazing Georgian stuff, they actually do a really good Tom Yum.
It's a bit of a fusion place, lots of different stuff.
Very good.
Do you think dumplings in Tom Yum are Eastern European food?
Uh, dumplings are Eastern European food, yes.
Well, they call it pierogies, but it's not similar to that.
Yeah, or, uh, pelmini as well.
But it's a dumpling that's very popular in a lot of places in the world.
But tom yum is clearly not, but it's a fusion, it's a fusion.
I just had dumplings because he's British.
He doesn't know what a pelmini is, or what a pierogi is.
Pierogi, you probably know.
Actually, maybe, because everybody that used to do these sports events in Poland
that was done because they were really good especially there and maybe R is too young
to have done that who knows either way we take a look at the scoreboard because
Tundra is doing good very good even the only team they lost to was Aurora
there four and one they are now surpassing Aurora and being a second
place there on the other side Falcons who drops to the bottom there or not to
bottom but like to the bottom half with a two and three and it's making us a
very unfortunate timing to be playing with the stand-in because they were
doing very good and now they're not doing as good I think that's a fair
description that's fair that's a totally fair they're doing better doing better
than with the saber light that was was a rough day you're talking about falcons
right yeah yeah yeah that was a rough thing not that no shade on table he's
with the goat of all time but they with corrupted they look pretty decent.
Yeah.
Thunder is just good.
They are good and I think Purge is going to highlight some points where Thunder and
we're extra good.
That's right.
I slightly remember what they were about 30 minutes ago but I would love to take a look
at them.
Let's hop into that so I can remember exactly what I was telling them.
Ah yes.
Just how frustrating Largo is look at this chase down that happened.
Gitter is unfortunately a chased carry so if you're trying to kill a hero who excels
in countering being chased while also giving yourself armor while your armor gets reduced.
He's also far away from his ulti this whole time.
He wasn't ulti parking because he was just a little bit too far away.
So he was basically just static linking the guy, not getting minus armor while the Largo's
armor went up.
So that was kind of a worst case scenario.
It looked good on paper because you're thinking like I'm a rager, I'm going to run this guy
down but Largo is so fast, he was just slow so much that his damage is going to stack
up or his defense is going to stack up really heavily.
And if you play these fights where Largo's in the back, buffing your whole team up and
you don't have that many single target stuns or single target disables, it's gonna drop.
It looks good at the start of that half, then he gets four staffed, then he's got 20 armor.
There's only so much HP you can do.
I just, I think this is not a good carry to off-lane matchup, unless you have like a massive
knell with the advantage.
It looked way too tough to go, they're like cut through all that damage.
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
And it's something that Phalcus just has to live with.
It's something that Tundra is going to be really happy with.
They do like generally, traditionally, they do like to do the disgusting stuff.
We'll see what disgusting stuff they'll do tomorrow, and maybe Falcons will do the disgusting stuff.
We're going to find out what's happening in our next series.
We have got one more series today.
It's going to be Aurora taking on Mouse after a break.
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Yeah
Dream League Season 28 is brought to you by DHL and Chex.
Welcome back to the Dream League Season 28 and as for our final series of the day we've
got Aurora versus Maus.
They're 0-4, Aurora 3-1, fighting for a spot for Ty for second with Tundra and for today's
series I want to paint a little bit of a story for what we might be seeing so
starting from the mouse side who's 0-1-4 right now I have a couple clips of what I
think really accounts for then forcing plays on perhaps the wrong target so in
this case mouse is the rating going after the Centaur a very beefy boy who
they end up taking down but then they end up getting flanked by the rest of
falcons on the side and they pay a hefty price for it the Phoenix first goes
down, then the DK, and also to finish them off, the Warlock will also die.
So three for one, and you're going to notice in the other game versus Falcons, this looks
like a very similar story, you know, Bame's spot on the map, they're going to go after
Centaur with just two heroes, this is only two cores, and the Falcons are ready to punish.
And that's what good teams are going to do, they're going to catch you off guard, they're
going to be prepared for your plays, and if you don't bring enough numbers and perhaps
to go for a bit too tanky of a target, then it kind of looks like a forced play.
So the reason why I think this is such a big deal is because Aurora has been absolutely
fantastic at punishing teams for choosing the wrong target, and I have an example of
them making one of the few real comebacks we've seen in this tournament, where Aurora
is going to be going high ground into Parry Vision.
Notice how they're down by 9,000 gold right now, and this Timbersaw with the Crimson Guard,
he's baited, right?
Parry vision, they're gonna take it. They could jump in and an instantly nightfall on the rest of the squad blows the Mars up
Two shots the supports from this fin as well
Yeah, fatal bonds is brutal and they're just gonna chase down the rest of them like absolute full punish
Turns into a buyback from the Mars effectively four kills and they're not done this puck
Who's quite usually slippery is gonna get caught by this void spirit agg into remnant
And that's effectively a team wipe off of just one bad target selection on the side of par vision
And that's what Aurora did to them there
And so after watching mouse back seeing them force a few plays on a bit too tanky of targets
That's what I'm gonna be looking out for today in today's series
Can mouse play a little bit cleaner be a bit better with their target selection?
And if not Aurora will certainly punish them for it
Yeah, just like we're being punished right now, but it's too personal that we're not able to do that's how it's gonna feel for mouse
Yeah, guys I have an option.
What about the wall?
No, not throwing it at the wall.
That would probably not be good for the wall.
That thing is rock solid.
We have the option to concede
and to just get the third puzzle for funds.
Yeah, let's do that.
I mean, I want to be able to play with like, I want to have two puzzles at once, you know?
We can continue fidgeting, but we can only get the third puzzle
If we can see that the challenge to morning crew we accept it wait wait wait wait wait okay? It's not about
Losing to morning crew. No, it's about losing to this fucking thing. I don't want this to beat us
We would lose to both. Yeah, but I don't want that to beat us. Oh, yeah
Well, you want to make sure I'm not pointing at Kevin. I'm putting a puzzle
But you can continue doing the puzzle while also doing another puzzle
Yeah, but it's like it defeated us and made us give up on the challenge
That's how it feels like this little patch surely surely we can sort this thing out and move on to the next one
So they're getting stuck on a level in a video game. Are you are you?
I don't want to quit the game. I don't want to play on like free play mode. I put it back to like though
He's in flow straight right now. Okay. Do you see how I can do it? You can do this little thing
This is a challenge right now. Hey
Hey, it's like here. We got points taken away from us for what?
This is an old one! We are at 11!
What do we get the other two points for?
Well, yesterday's challenge gave two points.
Oh, they're trying to erase that from history.
You know who would really like two points, Miles?
Because they have not gotten a single point right now,
and that just... it could say 0-4,
and it's straight up means that if they lose this upcoming series,
which let's be real, it's a little bit of a David vs. Goliath situation right here,
or if they lose the series, they are eliminated.
Now, winning is still very important
because getting higher up still gives you more APT
and you want the points.
And, you know, that's a lot to play for still too,
but obviously you want to go further here.
You want proof that you can do it.
And we're gonna see.
I mean, Maus has gotten a lot of losses in the last few days.
And obviously with that, a lot of lessons.
And with that, hopefully they learned a lot
as we'll soon see if they can put those lessons
into action, do you think they could?
You went for it, you thought Miles could do it,
you believed in them.
Fever, I've been loss-maxing this entire tournament,
so I put Miles, because I think Aurora will crush them.
I believe that,
Brian, that was an excellent segment.
I would say that in general right now,
in the patch,
over-chasing is like one of the worst things
that you can do,
and that playing with your team
is one of the best things that you can do,
and the reason for it is because
The support items are very impactful, there's Greaves, there's Pipe, there's Paviste,
Crimson Guard, there's all of these items that are way more effective when you are around your team.
And they all have low cooldowns, a lot of the supports have low cooldowns,
so staying near your supports and allowing them to get multiple rounds of spells off
has a lot more value on this patch than in previous patches.
So to me, it honestly just looks like...
I don't know if I would say Maus was a team that was like winning team fights by doing this and like this was the
advantage they were getting to me and Maus is a team that has always played really fast, but in terms of being like a
positional, like nobody steps out of position team, I don't know if they were ever that team.
Now they're getting punished for that and this is a learning experience for them going forward, not just in this tournament
going forward as well, because a patch like this will come up again. It always does.
Yeah, I think what we're praising Aurora for is exactly the thing that Brian is describing.
Obviously, he highlighted in his clips as well, but that is the thing that seems like
Aurora is doing it better than almost everybody here. It's why they have such a stellar result.
They are always in the right place to back each other up when needed, Purge. I feel like
that is just, is their superpower right now.
Yeah, their teamfighting is incredibly good.
It's frankly amazing how good they are,
especially when playing behind.
They've had a lot of matches where they,
looks like they're about to get in 2-0, for example,
they come back, they win game two.
Game three ends up being close usually,
but they pull it out in ultra late game scenarios.
Lorinov's performances have been super fantastic.
He's definitely impressed me a lot this tournament,
so there's a lot for Maus to swing at this game
and this series.
I like this matchup for Aurora as well.
I feel like I'm seeing Shadowfiend beat Razor multiple times now, where by the time you get Hurricane Pike and a couple damage items, you will out-carry this guy.
Especially once BKB is dead, it's gone, and you have the Minus Armor.
Go ahead and get the guy, because Razor's Agility Aint is not great, so it feels like you farm weaker and more slowly.
You're not going to be able to stay on top of the hero, and at some point you might even get Shadowfiend ulted, so you're just going to do less damage.
I mean, your advantage may be like BKB timing, you're definitely stronger then, but 20 minutes later, it's not even close.
Even then, an SF just clicking you with his BKB is sometimes enough to kill a Razor.
Razor hates playing into burst, but it's crystal-less, so that's why he took Razor if he can get Razor.
What I find interesting is Aurora just picked Aurora into Razor from everything that I know.
Razor does very well against Brewmaster and Lane.
This makes me think that there's some sort of prep that Aurora did for Maus in general as a team,
And they think that Baru is like a solution to their team, and they wanted to get it early, so it doesn't get taken from them.
Am I crazy? Like, it doesn't raise their shit on Baru and lane?
I mean, I think the lane is going to be rather inconsequential, because you're going to probably drag it with a melee hero.
And if they don't have a dispel for the razor, then you might be able to, like, kind of blow it off as aggression.
You're going to drag it anyway, because you can't raise her?
Yeah, and then I'm thinking in fights, like, you're not like an easy link target. You can just toss him up in the air.
His eye of the storm is not that great against your broolings and stuff, so yeah, I think it's like this idea that it really benefits your clump, basically, and it kind of lets you overrun the Razor.
Sure.
Or the flu heroes that can actually stand next to him and not just...
Which should hypothetically be very good against Maus as a team.
The ultimate teamfighter.
Yeah, and Razor also at no point in the game represents first, so you can probably let him static link you and...
Get split off.
than split later. Or even if you split early and you links when you're Bruelins, which I assume you can do. I think you'd be able to. I just don't care. I just wouldn't care as a group person because I'm like I'm still doing damage to you. My firepan is doing aura. There's flexibility in builds. Some players do really like playing this here right now. I think if that's fine it covers some of Shadowfiend's team fight gaps.
I'm curious to watch the lane, because I know that you can have one concept of a match-up and then a few patches happens, and it's just not the same, like they literally changed Brew's Cinderbrew to be entirely different, they changed the proc'ing of his passive to be entirely different.
So maybe this is just WS saying like, yeah, this hero actually shifts on Razor now, there's a potential there as well. So there'll be a learning experience for me to watch this one.
It is like the Phoenix from old Kaori, that means Warlock will be the pick, heroes not
in the pool.
Give them some good teamfight that they definitely needed, they needed something to follow up
with the next stun initiation.
But I'm still a little bit worried how few disables they have I guess if they want to
deal with the Grim Master I don't, just doesn't look very easy for me or Mouse aside but maybe
they can figure it out later.
Did you pick the warlock as expected? I mean you really don't need more than three heroes
Did you what?
The to be professional player if you can play three heroes like the best. Well, you already just answered that
He said I used to do that, but now he's like I wanted every seven yeah
But Kaori is three and and it's like working out like a dream. He's less proven though
I feel like the people still might used to banning his house and to be fair his heroes are not other than jacquero
Commonly banned and they're not commonly overpowered in people's hands.
Maybe...
I wonder if Aurora, they could go for Tiny. Tossback plays into...
The SF is really nice and it's a hero for cutting and dragging waves.
Like Brian was saying, should probably happen.
Okay, no, they go for Lion.
I feel like there's been times that we're suggesting Tiny before.
They just whip out a Lion.
without a line. Aurora seems to have a read that Ari was saying about Caudal. Aurora
just seems to be able to make the line work really well. It's also a very good counter
to Nyx. Obviously, Hex can't be a spiky carapist, so you can pretty easily catch him out when
he's running through your jungle trying to gank you.
Yeah, they definitely need to protect themselves against some spirit picks to at least have
the threat of countering them in case they pick some perfect storm member void spirit
puck game, um, there are no first center which is gonna, it's pretty much always just gonna
be good against SF in the sense that you're getting a Crimson Guard for your team.
Yeah. It's gonna counter a lot of his minus armor. I mean if he's doing minus seven, minus
armor, it's basically like a 35% damage increase or something. Crimson's gonna cut a lot of
that advantage off. It's gonna make it, your heroes are much more survival. It's gonna
make that like razor versus SF matchup just feel so much better by giving armor to him.
a very late Ursa ban, but of course they're initially assuming that Shadowfiend will be
played by Nightfall, but the respect is still there. Just in case, ban out the Ursa in case
they do the same thing as what they did yesterday with putting the Shadowfiend mid and still
the Ursa for Nightfall.
If they did want to do that, I was going to suggest Windranger, but it's so dog against
Centaur. We saw that one earlier today, Static really struggled. Very good against Ragnarok,
I'm just thinking is there like any non-ursa carry matchup that Nightfall can get that's really good
Abaddon's not that great
They shadowed me really that bad. No, I think you can SF just fine
I'm when I was talking about I meant like more like mid and late game for I would say mid game
Crimson is very effective against these minus stormer physical right clickers
I'm the Abba anyway
I mean, it's fine. It would have been hard for them to kill it. They have kind of weak
lockdown. Orchid would be really good against Phoenix and Nyx, to be honest. Even Ace and
Troi a little bit, I don't think he would have had to buy a Lotus earlier.
Hmm.
Invoker removed from the pool, which other hero would you like mid one to not be able
to play if you're on the side of Aurora?
Any of the spirits?
Yeah, I don't think they're bad.
Like I don't think a hero like Void Spirit has a ton to worry about just yet.
With just Lyne, it's the only one with good disables, but you can't stand toe to toe with
the SF, which is a worry.
They've got the Lesser.
Yeah, something that does like more damage is a little bit less survivable is probably scarier for shadow fiend
You can kill him a little quicker
That also works fine. It's a high armor naturally
It's gonna give them better carry potential that might have fallen off with razor against the shadow fiend
Do you think they'll swap it about?
This depends on the last pick is but I guess yeah, probably just based on matchups
Yeah, I mean like we said razor probably does better against roof, so they'll probably put a mid
I mean, yeah, mouse, like Aurora can SF mid against DK, but then mouse could run the
razor mid and it would probably do fine against SF, so I guess you're not super worried about
that.
Is there anything for Nightfall that would be like insane in this game?
Have we seen Faceless Void against Razor before?
It's not really great against, like, when Nix, DK, has good stuns for you.
Maybe looking for a cheese is not the answer.
I know, let's just go for Lorinove, hero, and give him a storm, put the Shadowfein on the safe lane.
Easy peasy, lemon squeezy. Is it, though?
I mean, it's fine. They have two, three decent stuns on the outside between Centaur and Nix, and Dragonite.
So, he's got to be a little bit careful this game. He could get blown up for sure, but it's going to take some time,
because they don't really have that much burst damage until crystals gets a few items.
So unless they throw like a lot of stuff into me, I think Lornav can get some kills on the side lanes.
Brian, how you doing?
I've made zero progress, Shiger.
Would you like to do... Is this a good way to want to concede or do you want to try again?
Because obviously you haven't really had the chance yet to try.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like I want to give it at least one game.
Okay, we will not concede yet.
Not yet.
It's all on Brian now.
There's always a game too, Shiger.
Carrying the torch.
I'll never live that down. I said that one time
During an Arcage match that was that was like his motivational speech to us after we won this series
And we won the series I'm every time amazed that that voice line comes out so fast
After anybody mentioned Arcage for some reason. It's just it's on speed dial
Is is mouse ready because we did say it was a little bit of a David versus Goliath. Maybe in this case, maybe cat and mouse
Yeah, are they ready? I see what you did there
Thank you, I think I think both teams kind of got what they wanted
I don't know like I I look at both drafts and I'm like, okay
Midlan's probably a wash both like both teams have like a
slightly favored safe lane which I think is very common on this patch and then they have a lot of their signature heroes
So it's a balanced game, which I suppose is better for the team that is
Just playing better, which is Aurora
I feel like I have more faith in Shadowfiend as the game goes on
So if it goes even and then goes into ultra late game, I guess that's just naturally me strongest
That's one upside but it's razor in the hands of the razor
Christmas, that's true. That's a comfort hero
He said is it mid one razor. Oh my god one razor
Play dragonite safe lane. That's fine. It's this is dragonite. It's good to it's razor in the hand
and hands of the of the of the razor made one
There's no the same ring to it. Let's find out how it's gonna play out game number one coming your way with science medicine, right?
I don't know how to explain that, but I do like the lights on the screen, I feel like
they're very fitting.
Alright, well, let's pour one out to Slogger.
As Aurora will be the mouse for the first time in this group stage 2, this is likely
also the only time.
Yes, most likely because Maus are OM4, I believe, having a rough, rough time in this stage.
Whereas Aurora, while they were undefeated yesterday, they did lose to Liquid, but just barely in the most epic series of the tournament thus far.
And we get to see something even more epic, and then we get to see Mira try to cast Impale versus Nix, Neamich, with actual Impale.
And Yamich, he gets it off!
Delicious usage from Yamich!
Oh, nice body blocks!
Mira getting blocked!
Nice, he's good.
Into the Dragon Tail,
Fiori with a little bit of assistance,
but he will run away in shame as Midwan gets the first one.
Yes, you've heard that right, Midwan playing the Razor.
Yup.
Not Chris Lester, I mean.
You got to say.
I thought it was in Chris Lester's contract that he gets to play Razor.
He did last time they picked it,
And then they change the contract I see so so it's a very dynamic contract mid one just that I can do it better
Well remains to be seen based on that individual game. That's not out of the question
Yeah, can we get a close-up on the centaur set? We get a chance, please if you have to run the centaur set do it with that hat
Aka no hat. Yeah, we'll get to that centaur that it's on point refused. Well, I kind of I kind of respect them for that
And we got plenty of time guys. This is the laning stage.
Your servers are real for this.
Yeah, we'll get there.
Scryphon Pablo, please never show Centaur on the screen the whole game.
Alright, boom, it's playing so I'm just gonna talk about it.
Boom, there we go.
Unlucky.
Alright, let's get a zoom in on that cosmetic, the headpiece.
If you have to run the clowns, that's what we're doing without the helm.
You gotta show the face. Come on, he's doing a lot of 360. He doesn't want to be seen.
He feels shameful not wearing his mask.
Wow, this is really great for people with nausea.
Very helpful. Just don't look at the bottom right of your skull. There you go. You got a glimpse.
Oh, look at that. That...
He's taunting.
Oh man, what a dream. I have never liked a cosmetic so much in my life.
Just the beauty. Thank you.
Anyway, we're casting a game here, so...
Sure are. Aurora, can they bounce back after that, uh,
that loss? Like we said, was very close, but...
I think when you've won that many games and done so well recently and you lose to the other
Projected best team of the tournament. I don't think it's gonna throw them off all that much
Like let's say they lost this series
Then I think we can start talking about that as a potential concern
It's not only did you lose twice in a row, but you also lost against an 0 and 14
But this one I think it's gonna be a really tall order for miles because if I'm honest with you with all the games
we've seen in group stage 2 combined. I actually think they look like the number one weakest
team. I think today Parviz showed some signs of life, they took a game off Liquid, I think
they overall played quite well. I haven't had that feeling when watching Miles play
that there was... It's mainly a matter of cohesion. I think that's my biggest problem
with them compared to the other teams is that they just don't seem like they're on the same
page some of the time. And that's what I would like to see them improve upon the most. Like
at the laning stage their draft is one thing
none of it really matters if you don't clutch it when it matters to play as a
team tormentor timings
mid-game teamfights
they've uh...
they've not had the secret sauce which is what they were so good at when they won
the land that they did last year
uh... in velahia
their teamfighting was excellent
christeness
gets ganked by the centaur creep to start things out into thunder clap and
Yeah, the bond onto all these creeps.
Crystalis, they just gotta kill him.
That's a fairy, okay, maybe he'll lift in.
This is still close, he's still...
Shadow Ward is still on him.
Oh!
Okay, or he gets the kill.
That was all set up by the neutral, Cinderang.
Yep, thank you so much to the neutral camp for the help.
Say Aurora.
The Centaur that looks more like a Centaur
than Centaur himself.
That's right.
Yeah, that feels bad.
Already a 1k lead for Aurora.
Nightfall gets to play the SF.
I try to remember, the times that we cast him playing this is either once or twice.
It must have been good because they won almost every game.
If somebody was playing SF that was not... I think it was Skeeter.
Skeeter's SF was underwhelming.
I think the biggest disappointment in that game was his laning.
I think he just didn't play the lane particularly well.
Nightfall has had that unlock on this hero.
He's doing excellent in this game as well.
And what stands out the most in this so far is...
...Miles are losing their save lane.
That is not something we get to say very often in this...
...in this tournament, that the save lane is flat out being lost,
but so far, a 500 net worth lead for Brewmaster Warlock lane.
Don't feel like this is the theoretical result of this lane, so kind of just getting outplayed.
But it is an interesting choice that Aurora ended up putting the Warlock in the 4th position and lying down bot.
Not what many would have expected, it was probably just that Warlock SF lane, which...
You just fatal bonds the way, you use a couple of razors, you kill everything including doing a lot of damage to the heroes, the lane plays itself.
They valued this more so, and I think the rationale is we're going to win bottom anyway.
This way we can actually do well for Brumester. I think Brumester Warlock
probably feels really nice to play with the two points in Shadow Ward against
constant fire spirit harass. It's working out well for them.
Yep, so far so good. WS with the lovely tranquil boots.
I think this will get fixed within, well, when do you think the next patch is? Do you want to go there?
Uh, you're talking about the disassembly, or the uh, the locking?
Yeah, this is just...
Um, yeah, it'll be the next patch for sure.
So if you're unfamiliar with this, what you can do with tranquil boots is when you combine
them...
Hold your horses, Cinder, and we got a gank onto WS.
Thunder clap.
He might burn up, breed fire on top, and yeah, he got stuck by a tree there, so...
So basically you're taking advantage of the unlock combining cooldown, so whenever you
combine this item for the next 10 seconds you can still disassemble it you can just keep disassemble
assemble disassemble assemble to regenerate with the cranks over and over again without them breaking
mid one wants to take make use of this haste and it's a level three lion and he can run down
easily pick pick off even lauren off is in trouble yeah classic fields gonna head on yamich
gets the spike carapace done under the tier one they're still gonna pursue and they get the kill
Double kill for mid one.
That's the perfect rune.
What a dream to find that Wildstorm is level five.
Now mid one level seven.
He's got some heavy lifting to do though,
the other lane's still not going great,
especially whom on the Centaur is struggling hard.
Just close with a bit of a recovery from that three man kill.
On to Brew.
And boom, and a bit of trouble.
And a lot of trouble.
Back to base he goes.
This lane is unplayable for Centaur.
double stun into triple raise. If Nix isn't here to protect him with a carapace and then
impale, they're going to take him out easily.
I'm all costuring this. Mira gets impaled. Mira with the impale now.
Here comes grid one. He's getting burned. Plasmid field finishes it, some mid one.
Not wasting his time. Needed that kill to justify that movement.
Yeah, we'll be a trade of Elizabeth Shrine, so it's going off.
He gets level 6 in the jungle.
His storm...
I shouldn't even just say his play, this tournament has been exceptional.
Of course, he will be joining Falcons temporarily for the next tournament, so just hop in from
team to team.
Maybe at some point somebody will pick him up permanently.
Crystal as well.
He loses his powers though.
True.
Level 5 gets Thunder-clapped.
Love granating.
Well, I'm blood-grenading.
Just going for all the little bit of poke they have.
Ring around the Rosie.
Maybe waiting for the next round to spell before fully committing.
This is just getting pushed completely out of lane now.
This feels really bad for DJ.
You don't want to start jangling at level 5.
Passed to buy another salve.
Not looking great.
Working on the Mask of Madness, almost has it.
I say almost, he has the Mask.
Mid one again.
Has the Eye of the Storm is going to the north is WS pretty quick,
but the Stampede will close the gap,
Dragon Tail holds him in place. Good pick off.
The mid one, kind of keeping mouths in this game.
Yeah, definitely signs of life here for mouths after how the previous series went
I was worried for them that even the laning stage would go
More stampede that means three raises to that back of the head even if you had some Pete
He was done through the whole thing. It's just impossible. I
Genuinely feel like boom is making a mistake coming back to the lane whatsoever
Unless the creeps are already in the tower and he can aggro them off on the right-hand side to not get hit by a stone
Otherwise, he's either gonna lose two-thirds of his HP or he's gonna die if he goes there without full HP, which is the case there now.
Gate play.
Nightfall trying to turn this into something.
Celery.
Oh!
There's the Vist Impale, which is very difficult to miss.
Remember, Nick's Assassin is the one that is hard to hit.
There's the Hex, though.
Celery has Egg.
We'll have to use it. Use it just in time.
Requiem not gonna be channeled. Thanks to the actual Impale, the Egg gets taken out by Mira.
Yamash follows suit. So two supports dead.
A little bit of a discombobulated fight overall I would say, but Aurora come out on top.
And there is that issue that we've seen from Maus, just not fully connected.
It's a five man move from Aurora, they bring the numbers and Maus not matching in turn.
Getting static link will have to use that requiem.
TP will be fine.
Oh, mid one actually showed them the wart there.
walked over and attacked him from the low ground so they should know this. He's
baiting. He's backing off. So WS is going for Hanimidus. I didn't want to ask you
this because for some reason this hero pops up as one of them that maybe it
hurts a lot more that you're not getting extra levels because that ult is so
important from the old Midas versus anyone. Gold is always good if you feel
I feel like the pace of the game is slow enough and that you don't need an immediate value item. I think it's okay.
So what do you go after Midas? You still go for like a Radiance build or something?
There's different options. You can go Ags, you can go...
You saw 33 in a game by Orchid because he was against Weaver. I don't think that's what you do here.
Midas-Aggs seems fine to me. I also know what he's queuing up just now.
It makes the split so much better.
It's the one that gives you an additional alt level and your brew split improves and
you get brewed up.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of this ag's design.
Are you happy?
Anything that gives you an extra level, it's like, okay, then you have to get it then,
right, every game.
Are you happy that it's down to three spirits though?
Uh, I mean, for my own fingers, yeah, but...
Did you think it was a lot more interesting with the Void one, cause I didn't really.
I didn't hate it, but I didn't love it either, it's just neutral I guess.
I think it was harder to access for the average player, and I don't think the tradeoff was
worth it to get the Void element.
No, you didn't really get any.
It has that pull.
It wasn't that the pull was bad, it was very useful and pro play, but I would rather have
three units that are stronger than the fourth one.
I don't mind this redesign.
We can kind of with you that the Ags may be not the most interesting, but this hero is obviously also early days.
He currently doesn't have any facets because he's hungover.
Yeah, that's true. That's one of those. It could just be a temporary Ags, honestly.
Do you think the next patch that is not a letter patch will have everyone have max facets?
Yes. I think the patch that came out was like half of a patch. It'll be the rest of the patch, which includes the facets.
Why do you think Mira put on his yellow-tinted glasses?
Is it because he's missing stuns online?
Well, he still is, so I don't know.
What is going on with this?
I've never seen this in pro play, and he's a TI winner.
It's because Mira is going for the max range stuns.
Impale or Earth Spike, excuse me, is a weird spell because it has longer casts.
It can hit first.
I'll explain in a second, let's see this first.
Hit one.
Gonna take the Impale.
That is the Golem used as well. Stampede was expended to try to get him out of dodge, so that's another ult down for Maus.
And this tower is there as well, for Aurora.
So Earth's spike has longer range than you can cast it.
So if you ground target it, if you, let's imagine this, let's say this spell hits, let's make it simple.
Let's say it has a thousand range, but when you click a hero, it only cast it from 600 range.
Yeah.
Then you're like, okay, I got a ground cast to get the extra 400 range.
that's just an exaggerated version of what's actually happening
so if you target the hero every time, you're cheating yourself out of cast range
because the range on the ground is longer
which is a really weird and kind of outdated mechanic, and I'm honestly surprised it's still in the game
I'm surprised Lion is still in the game, it's an outdated skill set in general
but with that being the case, you are ground casting the stun a lot to get that extra hunt
I think it's like 100 extra range
I'm just gonna say this
it matters a lot
because I was aware of that of course, but
most of the stuns that he's missed were not
in that right
I think
it's like, I want to say it's 50-50
of his misses were
close enough that I thought it was feasible to try them
so
I mean, by his standards there's obviously disappointing to miss three stuns in a game
there's no doubt about it
Invisor in our mid-1, and they're gonna smoke
now so we have to get something going here pretty soon
one leading the way
Chris was not far behind, not in smoke though.
Okay, Ori, he's gonna be one spotted. Should be an easy kill.
Decent death.
We're gonna go off the fatal bonds for a little bit of damage the other way.
Yes, to die.
Nice to see WS still disassembling his tranquilizer at 15.
This is a great mechanic. Let's keep it up.
See when he stops, if ever.
It's funny, when the backpack was introduced, it just had so many of these little tricks
that you could do that were technically bugs, and somehow that one fell through the crack.
Or is this like just a recent development?
I think this will just discover it.
I'm actually unsure if you could always do this, and people are just exploiting it now,
or if it's new.
I feel like that's been in the game.
It's annoying to have to do all game, but these pros are just min-maxing.
My assistant, or his ag's rather, not too far off.
I will say, if there's a patch that it makes sense to do this, it's this patch for two reasons.
When you're playing off lane, you're losing a lot, so you need everything that you can get.
And when you're playing off lane, you're bored because you're losing a lot.
So you might as well press your inventory while you run around and suffer.
But in this game, you stood quite well.
Third Night Worth on the brew.
Interesting to see.
So, among the three top teams of the tournament now, which I think it's fair to say at this point, are Aurora, Tundra, and Liquid.
It's interesting to see that Aurora are dipping into the Brewmaster a little bit. We've seen that played by 33 in some games.
Obviously that bodes for more interesting drafts in a potential playoff situation with four teams if they all make it through.
Yep, more off.
Fine salary, they have to use the finger to finish him. AWP, Hacks now onto the Centaur.
Yeah, I'm trying to make some space on the low ground. Lornaff is more than fine though. The you stampede and pale does it
Yamish back to close to full HP actually
Unfortunately, the loader has an arcane room. Yes, very very strong. Mr. Pinkhans
As they call him
I was thinking more about your brewmaster comment of why you didn't like the void spirit
Hmm, and I think I have an answer to that you kind of answered it already, but now I've come up with a solution
So, because you added that fourth unit, it means you have to make the other units less strong, right?
Yeah.
It's not the inherent unit that's mine, so that should just be the fastest you choose which spirits you get.
I think that's really cool, actually.
Because conceptually, like adding a fourth spirit, like, that's an awesome idea, right?
Mm-hmm.
So why not bring it back, but you choose to get rid of one?
In place of it.
So...
It doesn't have to be the same void spirit. You can come with like ten spirits.
Okay, so the the fastest is which one of the four you don't take?
Yeah, or you put in a fifth and you choose three out of the five
I'm trying to think of in pro play if you would ever choose anything else than three you have right now
Then if you're supposed to play you'd have to change the course the mid one
Getting initiated on they find the next assassin though chaotic offering pops is Yamich
He a good amount of damage gets the impale that kills off Mira
It's long enough now on the run
Surely has enough man to get away from this indeed
We'll take a plasma show first troubles though as nightfall and Roche gonna team up on mid one
It's a few right clicks, but
This one will be able to walk away safely WS didn't even kill the Knicks off screen. He didn't manage so
I was clean from mouse. They protect and kill at the same time and only a 1k lead. I mean this is
One of mouse's best games of fruitly. Oh, they get the impale
But no follow-up other than the Sunray it's close
Requiem on the high ground mid one was completely baited it's a trap it was
What's the name of that character again, oh shit I can picture him I don't remember the name
Initiation and they finally do you got the bug they watch him freebie though doesn't lose any gold though
Well, I mean, obviously it's the support, but he did just buy, I believe, his Blink Dagger, right? Am I wrong?
I might be wrong. No, he does have it.
That's one of those moments that...
This is what often times happens when a team that is not peaking is having a good game against one of the better ones.
It's a matter of minimizing mistakes.
And when things are starting to look quite good, these couple of kills are just very unnecessary.
And now it may be another one, now. This one's fading.
I'm not going to be able to kill Boom.
Covered by Celery.
He's got Crimson going for a pipe.
Into eventual blink.
Not farming as fast as some of the other games we've seen.
Obviously his laning stage was very rough.
I think we haven't talked about the fact that Kaori obviously stood in for a bounce.
Yeah, that's right.
So Valakia victory and now he gets to play against them.
So he knows the ins and outs of how they work.
and that's why he's experimenting this game with warlocks.
Oh, a nice double impale from Mira.
Get the hex off as well for the counter initiation.
From Crystal as they take out Mira easily.
This looks quite good if they can just disengage on Malice.
Yeah, that's a good trio.
Three heroes very strong together, lots of damage, lots of protection.
Crimson and Sunray, you have Chain Stunge, you have damage of tanky heroes.
Or, well, that time around Aurora.
We've not seen Primal Split yet, if I'm not mistaken.
immediately going to look for the tormentor
i think force dragon for mids
now's are gonna match this is a big moment
are they zipped in?
initiation initially on the centaur who just tries to stampede away but he gets
u'ls up
by the storm panda
and pale hits on a couple to delay this
don't still really tanky though
earth panda popped you get the stun now onto the next disaster and the damage is going to die
chaotic offering
as well the pressure now onto mid one
He heals up thanks to the Lotus.
Still, many heroes are trying to hit him.
Mira and Yamich take a tumble.
Finally, they get the razor.
The egg is popped as well.
Three for one start in this fight.
Oh, they couldn't reach him now.
Crystal is a good double kill.
Madelban still on two. Boom.
Might have to sacrifice his life.
Still a tanky target, but Nightfall has the damage.
Meanwhile, the last remaining member of Maus
getting zipped on.
Armlet toggles for Crystal.
He's gonna get surrounded though and block down full team wipe the damage gets a consolation prize in
Loron off, which is pretty damn good. That's a big prize
But at the end of the day it's still a two for five and storm got all that XP
Now Aurora is starting to create that separation
Shadow thing going far, it's through the replay here. It's a matter of patience. Requiem,
good damage onto mid one. The Grieve's helping him a lot. Stay alive for a while here, but
ultimately they have enough to pierce through and also get the egg before that explodes.
And yeah, if this connection from Crystalus would have made it there, if he could have
hit that blink stun on Magfall, this fight actually ends quite well for Malz. But instead,
lose out big time. And they lose the tormentor going to Lion here. This is
actually a very good Lion charge game I think for Mira. We don't see him playing
on this all that much and he currently only has two points in monitoring but if
you consider the dire lineups dependence on relatively small mana pools and
just having this AoE slow in the fight it's not bad for Mira to just cast all
his spells instantly or just blink hex done finger and then you just start
draining three heroes like Centaur, DK, Nyx, all coming up close even slowing down the
Razor is very strong.
Even my mana burn doesn't do damage.
Yeah, he has the Hiss of Death but it's still just malleable to drain them and slow them.
You'd think that that would still be the choice though for like canceling links that they
said mid one.
Ampestries gets a nice plasma field off.
Meryl already dead to start this fight.
Warlock as well, but it's gonna be a trade for the next assassin Lord off. He has the damage rune
They apply some pressure now to the DK. They use the primal split as well now the right clicks raining from above from nightfall
And the egg is exposed it might pop here. It's gonna be close
It does go off just in time and then a punish Lord off as a result. Nobody else was hitting the egg, but him
truly unfortunate for Aurora as the finger comes out.
Mira, Bleep bought back for this, now he's in melee form.
Man of drain.
There's the stun again, a double hookstomp.
The dieback for the lion.
Now another double edge, is Lornaugh buying back as well.
Wants to finish this fight right.
Boom, super tanky, attempted TP in the midst of all of this.
He is fine.
So it cost two buybacks there for Aurora.
That wasn't bad for Malus, given the context of this fight.
text of this fight. No, they get a pipe on Centaur for surviving.
Yeah, imagine if you had that for that fight.
Yeah.
And I think, as you pointed out, just not on the same page on Aurora.
This is actually very uncharacteristic for them as a team,
that that egg doesn't get killed.
Lawn-off is standing there soloing it for five seconds.
Just keep an eye on this supernova coming up soon on the top left.
So look here. One, two, three.
Yeah, I thought Nightfall could have easily done this right here.
Lawn-off gets one swing in.
Yeah.
It's as good as it wants.
Yeah. Your clean house.
Yeah, I'm not sure what he was doing there.
He was done to the bottom right to begin with,
but I think he could have made it over
for a shot or two.
If this is still a hexa-pramirra to get this kill
which I've together with WS on to mid one,
it's very important that they execute that before
Lornan's buyback, but this is not all that bad for Maus.
Now they have a clear entry into the next fight.
If they can somehow vended a kill, the storm.
They know that you can't come back into the fight,
But there's a little asterisk called the Aegis.
Just a little.
And I like it a lot that they give it to Stormover as they've given the Bibeck situation.
Otherwise, I think they would...
If Lornav hadn't bought Sack, I think this Aegis goes on SF and they usually try to hide grounds, but...
Maybe I could have a plan B...
in motion here.
And he's almost done with Lincoln, so...
Dragon Tail.
And Pale also is blocked, I believe, right? Still works that way.
uh... nix
no
if you still have to change that i think it's perfect box
ground
first-party
but not in the air
but i don't think because in the air
is unable to be targeted
rest or it's like can
it's not
inherently obviously just for drag until
it's good
considering i mean
to stop
but stop as well i guess
and the only ways they can remove this link in this with static link
which we're just not want to use them to break a link in the air
and those are fact that that's not going to be an issue
it means you need to itemize something for staff
or in the case may be
assault
that's a big one for WS
and that's
so far in spite of Malus putting out a good fight
they are never really
in the lead in any aspect of the game it feels like. They're not ahead on towers,
they're not ahead on... obviously they didn't get the Tormentor, they didn't get
Roche, so they're putting up a pretty good fight in the execution, but not reaping
the extra rewards. And that's oftentimes that's the mark of a top-tier team in
the tournament, that they even when games get a little bit tough they still
keep their eyes on the prize and they execute it in a way that gets them those
extra advantages. So you can tell I look at this game and imagine Tormenter
didn't exist and that they didn't kill Roche, the gold would be almost even.
So that's a big part of the difference and the majority of the
net worth leaves just shadow feeds. He's 6,000 ahead of Crystal, it's actually the
whole lead. It's on the carried position. Okay, this is huge!
Next assassin initiation, DK finishes the job, Lornoff though, gets a trade.
Do they have enough to even, yeah he's gonna nightfall away actually.
Oh, that is the ultimate T-bag.
Nightfalling away on top of Nightfall's corpse.
A power move, if you will, and that is a great grab for them.
The biggest possible kill on the map.
All they have to use is a BKB on DK and sacrifice a Nyx.
More than happy with that.
Showing some promise as well in DK's damage department.
An Alistar Execution.
They made sure it's a chain stun really nicely against the Brew.
Brook had a gun to split off there, maybe he can save him.
Oh, this will be an early ag for Boom, actually.
Razor and DK, good targets as we see the figure of death, but Celery stays alive.
He still has ag as well.
Tailboss of the several here, he doesn't get it off though.
And mid one, in the cover of his DKB, will run away with the help of the Stampede.
You can see DK in the jungle.
I think this is actually important to show though, mid-wise, he's so far away.
He's just dead.
He's not even remotely close, he's not posturing in any way to get here, low or not.
I won't be able to catch the Knicks this fast in this time.
Crystal is TP on cooldown, that means you're vulnerable there.
If he has TP, Mouse wins this fight.
Oh, he might fall.
Oh, okay.
I thought he was going to go for a wreck wheel.
Wait, did his Invistus expire?
I don't have the time.
Either that or he didn't see him and he was going for the same camp, I have to say.
Yeah, with that Silver Edge, of course, and he obviously wants this BKB, it's the nightfall special.
I think he misclicked and broke his Invis on R rather, like you said, he was just playing, so he hit the creeps and then there was a random DK there.
Because it was definitely off cooldown.
Silver Edge has a 3 second downtime.
That's pretty good.
17 second duration.
I mean to be fair this has been micro buffed for a millennium feels like they just they had to give it an entire additional ability
To become relevant, but now it's probably a bit more powerful
I mean I like the slow aspect
That's cool. I
Think the yeah three second downtime a bit too efficient
I feel like the punishment of movement speed capping is just conceptually incredibly powerful in some matchups
like the fact that you get that and the break right if you wanted the move
speed capping maybe that could be its own item but having both on the same one
seems kind of crazy that's true I guess there's a subset of heroes that have a
really strong passive and are heavily dependent on movement you just to go
after vortex opening up evil on top of them and the right clicks nightfall
well learn off gets to kill the nightfall did most of that damage
I have so much attack speed in this upheaval with the 15 talent on warlock
Look at lauren us attacks keep
Pretty dirty on a storm
We put that together with a so you do it on the shadow beam
Eight first back ant. What's the max?
How long is it you can channel this for?
I mean does it actually keep going up there?
It can channel for 16 seconds and it keeps scaling when you're early
I wonder how that works with a fresher
Yeah, does it just go off immediately? Is that a linger time?
Oh, that's a good question.
Yeah, really good, realistic questions here.
Yeah, that happens a lot.
We get this 32 seconds of upheaval while he's working on it.
Centaur dead for 30.
Well, it caps at 70.
OK.
That's a strength, though.
That's really good.
Does it say that on it?
Yeah, it says that on it.
OK, Max is plus 7.
Oh.
Here, finds himself a mid-1.
Might cost him his life.
He's going to force out the BKB, though.
Is he in the IPV out?
Get down.
That was very, very close.
Calculated.
Yeah, nice math from mid one. Knows his table of seven.
Just look at his BKB here.
Look at the buff bar.
Oh my god, that was point two or something.
Very close. Quick maths.
Alright, they're trying to...
Capitalize on this kill? Oh, quick, quick, quick reaction from both.
Sat to CWS, sold his tranquil component.
But, he still has the boots locked, so...
The memory remains of a simpler time, laning, disassembling his toys, and putting them back together over and over again.
For a little bit of mental healing.
Sormunter, let's get Sormen out!
Sormen time!
Boom shard, so double edge. Giving that HP regen. And HP.
Feels hard to use the Centaur shard effectively this game. But it's always a nice. It's a feels
good one to get. But I don't think he's going to be doing a lot of...
in long fights. It's tough for him to commit into these heroes without a pkb. Is that a new graphic?
One available, two available smokes. I haven't noticed that either. Nice. I like that.
Oh, hello. Ah, chickens on the menu tonight, ladies and gentlemen.
Hell yeah.
Turn Followery into Dip.
What's your favorite dip with chicken?
Hmm.
That's a very tough question.
Five Mayo base, nice.
Blue Cheese Dip is good.
Have you had Blue Cheese Dip with wings is very good.
Have you had a Force Radish Mayo before?
I have and I think it's good in moderate amount.
used to despise horseriders growing up I don't like I don't like horseradish by
itself but the combo horseriders may okay
I think the female man is so good blue cheese dip is there
it's good though Truffle Mayo is also faying in but I don't know if it's good with wings
chrysalis with a Daedalus
it's funny how it made us think of that with celery
playing a bird
Celery.vegan
No, it's just Celery Bird
I'm thinking Celery and Bird
That's Hot Wings
Celery Bird
Yeah, that's true
It's just right there
My mouse
Wrapping around
Roche is up in 40 seconds
So teamfight win here
They actually see the fire spirits
Smoke break
Radiant, I'll scan
Mira in the trees
We have a workhorse now
For the Centaur
Who's getting put in that cart?
I think driving Razor around
It sounds quite strong over the DK, but all of them...
A Thunder Clap into the Primal Split, so initiation on the side of Aurora.
Nix Assassin's getting it deleted right off the bat.
Chaotic Offering, try to buy some space for Mira.
He will eventually die to Mid One, who's all alone now.
Completely isolated. Nightfall continue to pursue, but you see the Stampede used to help him get out of dodge.
Biobags on two supports for each side here.
Crystalis, gonna be forced to use his BKB.
Lornoff running out of mana though, now these panda brewlings are coming to an end.
Oh, I just got shocked down by Chrysalis with that Daedalus, but Nightfall doing even more damage, but the cart has saved the dragon.
A dragon in the cart for everyone to enjoy. Requiem comes out, that is a dead mid-1 razor as well.
Nightfall is just going to town on everybody, finally going to try to stunlock him, try to do any damage,
but the control is there on the Chrysalis and they finally bring him down as well.
Well, as Celery.vegan, the last remaining member alive, getting chased, they don't want vegans
here, they want meat.
Meat is on the menu, turns into a frog temporarily, it's a triple kill for WS, and this is going
to be several lanes of barracks.
In theory if they knew that there were no buybacks other than the Razor, they could just go thrown
potentially.
I could maybe get Magus here, Shabby.
Much safer.
It's disgusting at this.
True.
So much damage.
Yep.
They're going to take one lane at a time.
Blasting presence.
Not working on buildings anymore.
Helps Mao's a bit.
And that was something.
But he's still on.
There's a tier two top.
Imagine that.
Oh, you're right.
It's about to almost die to the wave though.
This was, yeah, Lornoff's going to finish it now.
Can we get a soundboard of Cinder and saying,
Yeah, you're right. I would like to span that.
No, please don't.
Howling whatever animal that is is much better.
So Aurora with two lanes and Roche.
Take out the tier two top so now they can get Megas whenever they want.
They will refresh all their resources.
Nice. Spend all that gold.
Fuck your mana and runs away from Lion. I've been there.
So they're frustrating.
You're trying to help your teammates.
They're like, I don't want your help.
You're a lowly lion.
Why should he have to deal with you?
Can't get him?
Lornav?
Uh, he's pretty low on Lorna now, but he has BKB and Jim, so he has the time to react against Nix.
Now he's panicked.
Unlocked. Now Lornav's a good boy, he's gonna stay there for the fall.
That's because he's completely out of mana, he needs it.
That's because he's pretty low too. Nightfall just doesn't look at explosions.
He sees creeps, and he goes to final vision.
Money see, money get.
Alright, Aurora, you got the double primal split now, this is gonna be a monumentally hard fight.
For mouse
Yeah, they have to get a perfect set up they need to just burst someone immediately build another US
Uses the final split right away
Focus right now onto Mira, but the chaotic offering to hold the dragon night in place egg is used
We're not trying to take it out with that BKB. He gets it egg is on the menu now
The cart comes out, but nobody can get inside because he is being lifted in the air
Razor inside of the upheaval nowhere to go gets fingered to death for death for mouse Gigi's called.
The horse is still in the air, and now horse meat is on the menu as well.
So a delicious buffet for the Aurora side. Get to eat whatever they want.
Nightfall very satisfied with that.
Yeah, satiated some would say.
I think it's a very good sign for Aurora that this was not even their best-played games.
Oh, I see games. The best-played game of the tournament, I think.
But it costs both ways, also credit to Malus for making this more competitive in the mid-game.
However, when push comes to shove and it's time for the key moments, Aurora just have more of an X factor.
They're just more clutch. They make better decisions.
And in terms of their lineup, Loranov killed Nix so many times in this game in the beginning of the fight.
So they got very little mileage out of Yamaguchi's hero here, just getting shut down perpetually.
Nightfall ends the game 8-1 in 14 minutes, only the one death chose name.
Yamaguchi had a couple nice moments with Impale, getting a couple heroes in some decent fights,
but if you like bait, we're just out of death this whole game.
Uphill battle.
But, uh, yeah, Aurora, looking quite good as we have become accustomed to Cinder, and
we forgot to mention that yesterday you cursed them.
Yep.
You picked them to win, so you are officially the person that is worth it.
I picked them to win this one too.
The curse could end here.
I mean, Broken Clock is right twice a day, isn't that right, Sheba?
Twice?
Yeah.
Well, it depends on if you have a 24-hour clock or, you know, a Valorant, so...
Don't know about that one. Let's take a look at this game though
I feel like Miles was definitely saving for something that never really happened. They were waiting for their moment in Aurora
Take as they just didn't give them over
Yeah, this was a nice one for Marora
It's the way they won this game was a little different from how they have won every other game in this tournament
And they did it through some buybacks
And in my eyes it was actually a little bit risky what they did
which is really cool to see like early buybacks, especially the one on Mornoth where he bought back on Storm and zipped in
to defend Nightfall.
Any of these fights could have gone mouse's way if
Aurora didn't buy back there and the reason I say it's cool is because he's often do this
throwing a hero in to die first when they have buyback in this super late game, right?
Like that's a late game thing to do. You don't often see that in like the early to mid game
So to see them win a game based on that it's just very cool
But I actually don't think that was too badly played by mouse. They were they're putting up a decent fight there. I
Really liked seeing SF against those supports in the like game as well
Because like a Phoenix doesn't really buy that many armor items unless they go spell like a she was guard
Mixed assassin is kind of the same boat. So I just feel like they got a they got so many good matchups with the SF in that game
It was like decent against both supports when he isn't dying early game
It's it's good against the razor as the game continues
It's just a lot of things really added up and they had to lion plus storm to feed mana is while pairing disables like they're they're lineup
Just hit really well
Yeah, it's something that like it wasn't really hard counter on paper
But we saw the brewmaster as the immediate response to the razor and you kind of just saw it play out of fights
There's very few heroes if any other heroes that can see the razor press ult and dkb and stuff and just go in
Largo, apparently Largo, but yeah Largo is kind of like off the grid
But yeah, he should be off the grid
Yeah, but I just thought that was cool with the conceptual counter of the brumaster because that just makes you it makes you realize
When Dota takes like a whole another layer of depth where it's no longer like this hero's spell is good against this hero's spell
It's like this hero actually counters the way that this hero fights like conceptually. I think the school
I think the laning helped out there from Aurora, like the fact that Kaori on Warlock went into the off lane with Brew,
because then the way that you're playing that lane is like, not for kills, it's not to CS and run away from kills,
which is what you do if you have a line, right? You spike the Razor and run away from him or something.
But with Warlock, it's like, they're just gonna nuke the wave, and at that point, it doesn't matter if you're a melee hero,
it doesn't matter if you're countered by Razor and lane, you're running into a full creep wave.
They actually won the off-lane by just switching the warlock to pause for it.
It's another one of those times where, in retrospect, it seems really obvious to me that that's the good play,
but Dota has so many facets, so many...
There are every hero has at least two, usually.
That's not sure.
Largo only has one.
Some have one.
Actually, Largo has none. Zero, technically.
Yeah, that's what it says. It's like, we're new.
It has a name. It just doesn't do anything.
But it's it's cool that all these there's all these little cogs you can you can turn all these things you can tweak
Puzzles to solve and that one was simple
But it had a really obvious solution that wasn't super frustrating and try to solve. Yeah a quick update on the puzzle situation
We did solve the bold puzzle
However, we did so after we conceded because we just looked up how to do it and even then it was still hard
But we obviously looked it up, so we could continue and at least continue puzzling.
And I'm holding the other one.
We are supposed to get the two rings that are inside this ball out of this ball.
Can I see that?
I want to see the split thing just so I can feel it split and get the satisfaction.
Oh, that's not a good idea.
Give me your yard purge.
You're supposed to do it yourself.
Wait a minute.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, wow, you did it.
Wow.
Good job.
Anyway, in the meantime, Wild Jenkins is happy with this solve puzzle.
We're gonna send it over to Ryan, who picked out a couple of nuggets from that game.
Yeah, absolutely.
Shaver, for this game, going into the series, I talked about Miles' tendency to perhaps
over-chase, and Aurora's tendency to punish.
The team's doing that, so I have a couple clips.
This is the one at the 18-minute ruin.
Lornoff is going to narrowly escape.
Cut your losses!
He got away, Miles!
No, they're gonna walk up the hill on mid-1 and into a requiem.
Just right place, right time.
This one's a bit different though, because their target selection is very good, killing
the two sports right at the start.
In theory, this is exactly what Maus wants to do.
They're traded two for one, but no.
There's the lion buyback, Storm has already bought back, or Storm came in with a DD, excuse
me, and they've just overstayed their welcome.
As what seems like a really good start to a fight, I think these are the mid-game buybacks
that Jengas was talking about.
This is the situation where I feel like the better teams of the tournament would have
a perhaps a better calculation of whether or not they're supposed to stay this long
because then they could have backed up at that point too when Storm bought back and
they keep pursuing.
And what started out as like a perhaps a turnaround in the game for Maus ended up being a complete
wipe in the other direction since we're narrowly escaping there.
Never wipe in the other direction.
Never wipe in the wrong direction.
Jengren's turn. That's dangerous.
And then you want to try this.
I got it back to...
I was able to put it back to what the original state was,
and then I put it back this, because it's definitely step one,
but I can put it back to the original state if you want me to.
Okay.
But enjoy.
I feel like that's the hardest part of a puzzle,
is putting it back together, you know?
It's easy to break something cheaper,
but it's hard to put it back together.
Yeah, well, tell that to the bolt puzzle.
I think if a game...
If I beat a level of Mario, and then it's like,
Let's go back and go the other way.
Yeah.
I would be like, OK, I'll do this once,
but that's not going to be good for my dopamine levels
right there.
Because the progress is undone.
In fact, I would say my cortisol levels would probably
increase from that.
They'd probably spike, yeah.
That would spike my cortisol, and that's not a lesson.
What is that?
Base music.
What is it?
Final frontier.
Is that because we have like a planetary type one?
It is a planetary one.
This is true.
They planned that.
They did.
They did.
So what is Maus going to plan for Game 2?
We talked about the draft and we said this is a draft that Maus seems comfortable on,
but obviously it was going to be a tough game anyway because we know that Aurora has been
crushing it.
And Maus, not so much.
So it was going to be already a bit of a difficult game.
How are they going to make the next game more competitive feeling?
I mean, I said it last series, every time I see Shadowfiend get let through, it seems like for credible actions to me.
I think, especially if you're playing against a team that is just playing better, it looks really hard to play against.
I mean, counter it, run at it in early laning phase, we've seen some teams do that.
If you're going to be bold enough to let it through, but you can also just simply ban it. It's like it's a waste of a ban.
Everyone's banning SF, it's totally fine. Nothing shameful about conceding that.
No, nothing shameful about confiding that or puzzle or anything like that often painful. Yes
It would be very sad if they conceived mid-series though. Let's hope they don't we're gonna find out game two a right around the corner after break
Everybody needs some time away
I sometimes play
Think you better take that holiday
It's hard on a holiday
Back's packed, you can now relax
Cause your mind's on the fight and it won't fly back
Just ask for your favourite snacks
When the clouds rise to the blue
No cares when you're in the air
We can down on the path and we're nearly there
Be care and free and let that paradise
It's waiting for you
Everybody needs some time away
I sometimes play
Sometimes you think you better take that holiday date
Holiday holiday
Everybody needs some terrible things
Sometimes you think you better take that holiday date
Holiday holiday
I wish you could take them home
You slip, slip, dip, dip the pee
You stand on the sand and it belongs to you
And this week you deserve a treat
So take your nonsense and lie
Carefree and a fantasy
You forget your stress with a week or three
Trust me when you're in the city
There's nowhere else to go
Everybody needs some time away
And some time to play
Think you better take that holiday
I never dream that this would ever end.
But here I am.
I never dream that this would ever end.
I never dreamed that this would ever end
But here I am, turning away every night
It's the one thing I need, I'm just a dream
No, I'm not one to pretend
This is the day that I must say goodbye to you
It's what I got to do
Enough, enough
I can't hang on
Enough, enough
You don't want more
Enough, enough
I'm gonna lie
But it's over now
So gotcha say goodbye
I want it more
Of you than anything
I remember the days
We couldn't stand being apart
In all the distance we see
In the North we don't speak
We lost everything that we had
I had no choice
Our love has no voice
And all I know is that I have
There's no mess
Enough, enough
I can't go on
Enough, enough
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
Enough, enough, I can't go home
Enough, enough, it all went wrong
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
Enough, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say
Enough
I can't go on
Enough, enough
Enough, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say goodbye
I keep my love and emotional, I keep on reaching high
You are watching Dream League Season 28's adventure.
We are on our final stage of the day.
It is a long versus mouse.
And in mouse, you lose this upcoming game.
They are no longer capable of making it out of the groups.
They're still capable of rising in the groups,
getting a couple more points on the board,
and it's all about the points,
points because the points will decide if you make it to the e-sports World Cup for Dota 2
based on points and I'll have to go through truth of qualifiers. Luckily, Maus is already
qualified for Birmingham as well, so we have still got a good shot to get more points regardless.
But either way, they really want to take this dub to make sure that they get a third game
and potentially take the whole series. Let's see if they can. Aurora has been firing on all
cylinders. I'm here with Brian who's busy with the puzzle. I'm here with Perch and Jenkins
who will be busy with the draft in just 35 seconds. But before that happens, I do want to know if
there's one hero in particular that you feel like, oh, if mid one gets his hands on this hero,
they have a good shot. Is there anybody from Maus that has that one hero?
Blushrack, maybe? Like if it's a good Blushrack game? It doesn't have to be mid one. You can also
choose any of the other players. If Boombad is a certain hero, or if Crystal is a certain hero,
Normally that type hero comes from a core, but it could also be damage to celery if you want
I feel like they annoy people with huskar, but I don't know if they would beat Aurora with huskar. Okay
Yeah, annoying is I mean that's a big first step
It is but it's also bad
What about what about curry's?
Phoenix, oh everything in terms. We're talking about mouse
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure maybe like I'm monkey can't nerf too much a lot of their
special heroes are kind of in the dumpster a little bit and Malice is just a
banish here because Crystal's SF is like good but not incredible I think as well
so I just feel like a lot of their special heroes are decent but they're
maybe not like any I don't think anyone here is gonna solve the problem. I mean
Chen also would have been in the consideration for that argument but
it's obviously banned and I think in Chanter's which is the other like
extremely strong salary option. You know, the hero that he's like a tier above everyone else on.
This is not good. It's not a good hero.
Actually, maybe the mid-1 Beastmaster. They have played that quite a lot, and even though we also
see Beastmaster in other roles, the discussion where you're talking about Beastmaster normally is,
it creates a very clear cut game plan, and maybe that is exactly what Maus needs.
It does because you have BKB piercing disabled that also pushes everyone away from the guy
that you roar.
So it's like, okay, we're going to kill this guy, no matter what.
Also it pretty much doesn't lose lane from what we've seen.
I'm interested in seeing what Aurora thinks beats and lane because from what we've seen,
he's always getting his farm, getting to the aggs and then having that really strong mid
game timing.
Whether or not he loses or wins, he's always strong.
I will say I feel like we've said this before about Mittwins Beastmaster and that he also didn't win, so I can't go through.
That's weird. I feel like his itemization is also like relatively flexible as well, like you can play him from a safe lane.
Teams aren't really trying that as much right now, but I just feel like the hero has a strong position in almost all spots.
You can ancient clear. I don't know if you mentioned that, sorry.
I don't think he did.
I know something that's not clear.
The puzzle.
The puzzle.
That's my contract, right?
Get back to it.
You got work to do.
Are you getting the pieces down yet?
Lower, guys.
We already conceded the point.
Or maybe points.
I don't know how the pointing goes, but the morning crew has got points.
What?
Maybe they get a point for each star of difficulty on the box.
Maybe they get a point for each puzzle.
Maybe they get just a point for winning.
I don't know.
It seems like how heavy you beat the other team hasn't really had an impact.
Because we sometimes I feed them quite heavily and that did not happen
But I'm back mechanics though come back mechanics. Thank you. I think I look at what is coming back for mouse
If there's any heroes that will be returned
Well, they might the razor see the band themselves. We got the career warlock already banned out by themselves as well
That would have been good. You know what?
They can only ban one of Phoenix or
or jikiro, they can ban one and pick the other.
They think a Miro will take jikiro as a pause for?
Oh my, I forgot about the hero that was already picked.
It's not impossible.
Like, jikiro was being played as a pause for.
I just ignored the already picked hero.
Fair enough.
I was just looking at the mouse.
I actually think phoenix for mouse is not so bad either.
I like the idea of the warlock too, just some sort of like damage amp and damage to throw
throw on top of the beast, he'll throw on the beast. You know this guy's going to run
in and if he can survive, he will carry you. Heroes that can fight with him and they can
heal him are particularly nice.
What do we think about Mixer Sassan in previous game?
I mean it's fine. It's definitely good at scouted out opponents. It's good at initiating.
It does have a lot of burst. So from an offensive standpoint, it's a really good support. From
defensive it's a lot harder to see at the equal level of value in it but if
you're pairing it with a hero like Beastmaster that that is good because
pairing it with a hero that maybe doesn't have the best jump which maybe
doesn't have the best scout those two heroes layer together and they can also
initiate opposite ways they could be blink piece into Nyx follow-up damage and
stun or Nyx blink stun so it seems fine from this position but it's not
certainly the best looking hero. I think there's a very clear trend that has
happened in this tournament. The two bottom teams in group stage two have
positioned four players that play the weird run around the map and poke at you
heroes, you know the Knicks assassins, the monkey kings of the world. It's just
it's a really hard play style to pull off right now. Like information is not
that valuable because there's some like DK carry farming, it's not some 1v5
terror blade where it's like scouting this hero is super important. The lanes
It actually is like a kick.
I feel like it deserves three of them.
Viper game into these two heroes.
They don't really do much against Viper.
He can ult nix as he's running through the jungle and take him out unless he's scuttling.
Then you can run away from it because you are hasted.
resistant to both their types of damage. I mean Beastmaster can increase the damage he's
doing to one target, so it's probably not the worst, but he also gives attack speed,
so the agg looks really good this game to me.
I will say, it's funny to see all the previous bands being now in the hands of Aurora somehow,
so it makes me think that the first game's bands were probably pretty good. But also,
I feel like one thing that Maus is lacking is there is no flex. You pick Beastmaster,
Normally there's flecks not on mouse and they're also not hiding that fact.
Yeah, we know exactly where it's going and honestly I like mouse's draft a lot.
I feel like having the auras of the dark seer and like the buffs of the dark seer with beast
mid who's pretty much guaranteed to get farm we'll see against Viper.
Maybe that's why Lornoff picked this.
He thinks it dumps on a beast master mid.
If any hero can it's gonna be Viper but beast has generally been getting farm and then all
All these heals from Pugna, Darkseer, to throw on top of the Beastmaster and a Nyx Assassin
scouting.
Darkseer, Nyx Lane is very strong, however, Nightfall got his signature Ursa into Darkseer,
which is the highest win rate on Dota buff versus Darkseer, because you dumpster the lane,
you just do not care about Darkseer's existence, and Ursa's illusion is borderline worthless,
but Maus tried to cover for it by picking Pugna, who Ursa does not like playing against
because he can decrepify whoever Ursa jumps, so.
But on the lane, that won't make that big of a difference,
because J'Kiro doesn't use mana most of the time to harass,
because you obviously liquid fire and all that stuff doesn't use mana.
That's a good point. Another ward is less good,
but Pugna still has really high movement speed,
really high attack range, that's better than J'Kiro.
I mean, I would assume that it's going to be
Nix, Darkseer versus J'Kiro, Ursa, right?
That's what it looks like.
Pugna will probably be safe lane,
Because also, Jakiro would be fine killing the Nether Ward, too, because he has the double hit.
Yeah.
So you'd probably just go for the melee heroes and, like, cut the wave, but it's hard to cut versus a Jakiro.
We've seen that, like, fail time and time again.
Mm-hmm.
How's it going, Brian?
I feel like I got somewhere, but...
I don't feel like I know where I got.
I don't get it.
We had a lot of experience with that today.
Math war for life.
Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing.
I made progress, but is it up or down? I don't know.
I took three steps. I just don't know what direction to take them.
Well, in retrospect, we were making the right steps.
So I would just say, Brian, trust your gut.
Keep on it. Keep on it. Keep on it.
On the puzzle that we really struggled on,
we successfully got two of the four steps.
Yeah.
But we got, we couldn't figure out the third one.
The third step was super fidgety, where you had to like,
force it, move it, force it, move it, force it.
Force it a little, wiggle a little, force it a little, wiggle a little.
And it was like, that's not a puzzle at that point.
I'm impressed with the morning crew got that. Honestly, hats off. Hats off to them. They're puzzle solvers.
I mean, they got some smart puzzlers on the morning.
They really do. Alright, so we got two heroes needed. We need one hero for Mira on the side of Aurora.
And on the side of, oh, that's a Willow coming out for Mira, so that's nice.
And on the side of Mouse, we need a hero for Crystalist.
It's a really good Dark Willow game because they have all these super fast heroes on the wrong side.
So, Bramble Maze is going to get a lot of value this game,
and it's going to also help counter initiate when they go for a 1 with combo plans.
So, I really like the Willow here.
I like it a lot too, particularly because, you know, Pugna, the Crepify saves you from Ursa,
doesn't save you from Willow, right?
Willow is totally fine with somebody being to Crepify, and will just continue to run down and kill you.
Pugna, yeah, does more damage if she's close, bye!
Yeah, that's a very nice one.
And
of course, Aurora are more than comfortable playing with Willow on their team.
They've got Mars as well,
J'Kuro, Belton.
It's up against Willow, Mars.
As a carry.
So, yeah,
Crystalous, I mean, Crystalous last pick has always been a rough situation for Maus.
Like, DK's out.
Yeah.
Razor's out.
Gyro's not the greatest,
but it's still it's still remaining.
Oh, they do switch it up.
OK, I stand corrected, guys.
Well, they put Beastmaster safe in Voker mid.
I think it's OK here for the fact that they have a decent amount of stuns.
So stuns plus cladicalism is someone dies more sure.
Even if it's Ursa, even as the Viper, they don't have saves on Aurora.
So they can blow up some heroes as the game continues.
Question. That means that he has to get asked before he can do it, no?
Yeah.
How far ahead do you feel like Aurora will get in that time? Like, how are the lanes going to play out?
I think Invoker does very fine versus the Viper.
Even with the rotation, if Yamage can go mid, Pugna's not the greatest until later, but if Yamage can go mid, like, Invoker can kill a Viper.
that one with the minus armor forks fear it's on strike pure damage I actually
really like this mouse draft like this was a this was a really nice flex of the
Beastmaster to get a super good pick is I think Aurora was pretty all in on
Viper beating the Beast mid now Loron off his Viper I don't think he wants that
right you can then say something about the drafts yeah I feel like I am worried
about Maus's lane specifically, I think the Ursa will absolutely free farm and we've
seen what Nightfall can do with that. He's been one of the few carries really picking
a lot of Ursa. And then also, and I think the Mars will do fine and I think the Viper
will own it. I think Viper owns a Voker. Like I'm pretty sure that matchup is like 70-30,
maybe like 69-31.
Really?
You think so?
I feel like unless you can threaten Viper significantly with level 1 and 2, it's going to come down a lot to the block.
If it's on Viper still to start, I'm pretty sure Invoker won't be able to play.
A lot of lanes come down to that.
I think I put it back to where it was before.
I was trying to get it back to where it was, so you have a knack for that.
I don't know, that's not good.
The puzzle was making me hope or wish there was such thing as like a real life control Z
Would that be nice? No, it would be there's so many things out just like I just want to reset to step two real quick
I it's cool. I got the steps three all of height between 10 seconds understand what you're saying controls e control z
Yeah, would you control be any of it? Would you relive?
Let's get into this discussion right before the game
No, let's not let's actually see a watch production is cooked up for the musical theme for game number two
In Memoriam, Mount 2026, Cottle's father was a great man, a great creep, he lived well,
he lived well.
Well, it's all in the Valachia season, something dolled down to a stand.
They've lost this game syndrome.
I believe they're eliminated, but I haven't done the math. They are indeed.
Everything on the line for Malz, very little on the line for Aurora.
Pride. Pride and the desire to get a chance at still finishing in first place.
if liquids screw up one of the next two days.
You know what? I think we should make this game about whether Brian or Jenkins is right.
And that's why I'm curious how the mid lane is going to go.
And I hope we get no interaction from supports because I want to see just how this goes.
My gut says this is Viper favored by a good amount.
Is that because BSJ said it?
It's because BSJ is my gut.
But it's a 2v2.
What is this?
They're both de-warning, they're leaving.
No, instinctively I was also thinking this would be a good lane for Viper.
I think Invoker needs multiple levels before he gets enough regen with the QoS.
Lorna, did you just eat his tree?
That's really good for Lorna.
Getting a double tangle off of the enemy.
Did they both eat us?
Was it his tree?
Are you sure it was his own?
But they both ate it.
Did they eat it at the same frame?
Maybe they both planted a tree.
Did they?
I almost saw one tree.
Let's get a highlight of that.
I'm going to replay it.
Let's get a highlight of that.
So this is mid one planting it, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, there's one.
Eight.
Oh, they both.
You're right.
No.
Piper doesn't have a tango, right?
OK, he ate it real.
He planted it, and they ate it so fast
that they didn't even see him placing it.
Lauren off is on a different level.
That's quick fingers.
That's his girlfriend is fast very happy fuck boy
WS playing the Mars in this game number two
He has been very good on this is probably his best hero I would say I don't know if you'd agree
He has played exceptionally long hours this time and I feel like she's had more double spheres than anybody at this turn
Yeah, I'd agree with that
It helps with the heroes really good as it turns out in the meta. It's easier to look good on heroes that are
are powerful, of course.
It was interesting to see this pivot from the mouse side
putting Crystallis on the beast mask. Let's see if he can make...
find a big impact. Not a traditional Crystallis hero by any means.
As a matter of fact, his Dota Plus level is bronze.
Oh, that's not a good sign.
And he has a lot of heroes with high level,
so he has not played many pubs on this.
Yeah.
Confirmed.
Uh, but that doesn't mean...
I'm sure, as the panel talked about, this was supposed to be originally mid-ones here,
but Viper mid is unplayable.
Plus, we see an opportunity to bring out an invoker where Cataclysm can have huge impact.
Uh, I think Kiora wins this, by the way.
You think so?
Well, this fairy fire is being popped to plenty.
High-ground advantage to the damage.
Another curse from Cinderyn!
Easy curse.
That's K...
Oh, he killed Yamich.
Told ya.
He could've denied himself to the ancients,
If I didn't realize that your hero is good.
And this is why you check both players with fairy fires before you make a prediction.
Because without fairy fires, he was winning that.
Alright, so so far, mid-life 13-6 against Invoker 6-0.
Brian said 70-30.
No, he said 69-31.
Okay, he said 69-31.
I think this is more of a 6-7-3-3.
We got a backstab.
Potential here. Yamage gets the impale first.
Dual breath from afar though, mid one does end up falling but he gets the XP.
What is going on in this mid lane?
That is the craziest gank angle.
Kiora just ran straight through the tower.
Just shoot him in the back.
The classic level, minute three to Kiro mid gank.
Now they're the mid laners.
Yep.
Alright, that's unexpected play.
one currently 8th on CS, not looking too inspiring, but by providing as well it doesn't put him
much ahead on the net worth it.
Now Merelleri taking a ton of damage with that shadow round.
He has a fairy.
He's okay.
He's not talking about Dark Willow, she's a fairy as well.
Axes do hit, will pop the stick.
That's Crystalous.
This will be interesting.
I'm very interested in how he will do this game.
He pops off, that would be impressive for a bronze.
Ooh, nice step forward from Celery.
And Axe is definitely going through that.
Dodging the spear.
WS now getting slow to a crawl, gets off the rebuke, but the boar is still in range.
He continues to get these slows, gets off the spear, the root from the hawk,
and that's a double kill for Chrystalis.
Damn.
Great start for him.
Ross came to play this game.
As Booth apparently killed off Kaori.
Yep.
Fine kills everywhere except mid.
That is still the rough one.
But, I just consider it not futile.
What do you think about mid one playing Quass Wex here?
That was not what I was expecting, playing with Nick's Beast Master.
Is it Galaron or not? Yeah, it is.
He has Galaron, but he's starting 2-2.
So no points in X-Word.
I thought for this lane that Invoker wanted X-Word to be competitive and last hit,
but I guess by going Wex you can burn Viper's mana enough that he can't keep poison attacking you.
It's a different approach to dealing with the lane pressure.
pressure. The upside to X-Nord and Gokur is that if your lane gets rough you can
go jungle with a force spirit. Obviously mid one does not have that option right
now. Going 3-2-0. Interesting, I kind of like it, yeah. Still gonna go the same
facet and he's still going the same item, going the meteor hammer with double
null. Actually only a single null. Wow, we what a departure from the cookie cutter.
Yeah, look where the point where we celebrate small things here Shannon
Not picked enough to feel that way
Why are you being such a because you started it?
It's a downer. All right dual breath. No the spear is gonna miss after we praise WS
But chrysalis is just outnumbered here opposite fairy fire though is WS is now the only one that is
Continuing this chase
Rebuke misses this chrysalis jukes for shit out of them
still dies to the spear that was that was cool
we have to get a highlight of that very shortly is yamich and celery now on the run
pick and choose your supports that you're going for here
now okay nice great stun absolutely yamich owning right now
still gonna get slowed to see some more fancy football another miss spear w s
best mars of this tournament
look at this from christmas this is really cool
Oh, that was so good. WS has no reaction. That's good.
I don't want to get emotional here.
Of course, when I'm tipping crystal this, yeah, I was boom, watching that.
I was going to say that's the new off-laner.
He's in the jungle minutes, but he has time to watch the fight
enjoying that while he's just a clicking jungle with iron shells on.
Extremely fun and interactive off-lane gameplay.
Wonderful patch for the off-laners.
Now he does have pretty good net worth, though.
Considering a lane against Ursa, he's behind by 200 only.
This is really, really good for Darkseer.
42 and 2 CS?
Yeah.
You can't ask for more than this.
Darkseer, Nyx, and Darkseer more or less draws with Ursa is unheard of.
So, this is looking great for him individually.
WS is level 6 here.
Little gate play from K.Yori.
Yep.
Looking for backstab potential.
They're going to fortify to keep this Siege alive.
And now the pressure's on this Tier 1.
Nightfall played aggressive onto Boom Top and that made the damage show his nicks up there.
This is good information for the rest of Aurora to know that this Siege is safer.
WS was looking for an angle but the Bloor found him first so it kind of puts that to an end.
Okay, Nick's just showing up here now with an iron shell on him.
And here he is, he's a Cooper dead.
There's still three members of Mouse in the area here, and as Chris does, we'll be going
for...
I mean, is there any other build other than Ags on this here these days?
Like, as a Stain Plainer?
I don't think so.
Like, Offlane Helm, maybe?
Is that still a thing?
Uh...
I haven't seen a Helm in the Overlord in forever.
I think it has its moments as an Offlane.
I don't think you can do it, I'm carrying.
I think you have to scale too much
and do enough damage.
I was like, wait, you're level seven?
Where did you come from?
Sunstrike set up,
Obsidian Rage though, now turning this around.
Wall is placed, boom.
Gets taken out very easily.
First crown's gonna ensure a second kill goes the way
of Aurora.
Damage looked like he got stunned in real life.
But I feel you.
That did not. I feel that.
That did not go according to plan whatsoever for the Sight of Mouth.
Sunstrike missed. There was also only level 3. That's the price you pay when you go 3-2 in the start on Voker.
It's now 3-2-3, which means on the way he was 3-2-2 built for a level.
Okay, perfect. Gotta focus on that, of course.
But he is getting decent farm on the Invoker. As a matter of fact, he's ahead of Viper now, so at the end of the day, I guess Jenkins was right.
The end in the early laning stage Viper won, but they were both right
Congratulations guys for the first time this tournament you both were right and said something smart
But I wasn't beat ahead, but now it's equalized
Okay
Now how has Viper changed over the years because if he does it was kind of like a husker if you didn't win your lane
You're just a useless zero the rest. Yeah, but
Nowadays is a little different. Yeah, and I think it has some decent matchups here
I think Viper in the game is pretty good against Invoker,
because it's one of the heroes that is most inherently tanky against magic damage.
Sure, you're still going to eat dirt to Cataclysm, but
when you have enough health, Cataclysm is actually not the killer anymore.
It's fear. It's going to be the end of Solary.
So, you can buy your
axe build with Caustic Bath. Just jump on top of the Beastmaster, and I think he
can't hit you fast enough until he has BKB.
with beast mode it doesn't matter
so in my eyes this is still a good Viper game
I think the hero is just good against Beastmaster in the game in general it's
one thing to lean against him but
the matchup is fine
look at that, Kaori taking his 27th tower of the tournament with Jakiro
he's now gonna TP top
they're on the prowl here
they sure aren't movement from boom but it's gonna take the stun
It could be just a teepee here.
No!
First pass!
Very, very close.
But you're gonna understand why you would try it.
K.O.R.I. was in range for the max range ice path.
WS, he's got the arena!
There it is!
Gets the spear, do they have the vision?
Yes, Viper Strike!
Oh!
Wait?
He is alive!
Wow.
They did not have the vision.
And they did not have the damage.
That was close. I think Nethertoxin wasn't cooldown, otherwise he was definitely dead. Yeah, he used it on the wave actually.
Mission failed, but the pressure still continues up top, Kaori about to take his 28th Power for tournament with Liquid Fire.
Bramble, but Tornado into the meteor and that is a dead Mira.
They were ready for him, just like they've been ready for him constantly.
The only here you can buy meteor hammer on right back in the day used to be like
triant but OD at his time that's one here that could be deleted I would not
shed a tear we've seen we've seen it on storm when it was really broken with the
monoregion amp it was popular yeah that's true and we've also seen an
ember I want to stay at one point slight change into hammer I mean most of our
sightings of it are from fallen sky yeah so if you play turbo or not oh okay
that is a creep might not matter though by first strike applied to the invoker
area Lornaugh will still fall honestly I respect that that's a good efficiency
from Yamish getting the CS in the ganker.
Well, ends up working out just fine.
Tower denied.
By Denifold.
Good one.
Oh, Chrysdorist.
And he's caught off guard. WS was going to take a tornado, so the rotation.
Oh, Mira does get the kill in the end on Chrysdorist,
and now the stun strike right on top of Mira.
And a nice heal.
comes for mid one, two cores dead, four mouths,
has WS taking a full life drain,
he tries to exit,
with mana burn,
okay, that is a big,
that is very optimistic.
Oh wow.
Okay.
We're gonna see the repo here, there's that.
Oh, it was a deny.
Okay, it was a deny.
He got nothing out of it.
That's true. I didn't realize that at the time.
Today's course is actually just objectively bad.
Yeah.
Okay, damage. Thinking about it, but Kyori will stop Celery.
Oh, and Mira.
Sun strike. Is it a mid one? Getting a sun strike kill again.
This hero pairing has been nice for as long as I can remember.
Vox Invoker, Nix's problem that he often solves by going Dagon is that he doesn't quite have
enough damage to kill cores when you get to the mid-game, but Sunstrike will usually cover
that gap for another 5-10 minutes of farming, and then even later he gets Kata, and then
you cover it for another 5-10 minutes of farming, and then you don't have enough anymore.
Oh!
Accelerate killed off.
I don't think we've seen a roar yet, but...
I got plenty of combos for sure.
The damage, beaten up by Nightfall.
I'd like to see a replay of that Celery kill.
I'm curious about a mechanic with that.
Let's see if we get it.
Mira.
I think the projectile was already coming for him, right?
Yeah, but I thought your block projectile was if you did crack while the shot is mid-air.
Maybe he did, but he took the liquid frost effect, which does impact damage.
we'll see that here. It's like how low is he 10 damage yeah so the frost I think
it's just the frost damage of the that pierce is probably if you've shot at
midair it's just magic damage right so yeah but it's it's attached to an attack
right so you might think the attack and all its effects miss but I guess the
frost part still hits. Interesting. Crystal is getting caught. Yep, arena is used. As
Crystal finally uses that roar and the soundtrack will be enough to kill off WS. Mira looks
to be next, deafening blast. Holds him in place and now Lorin off and Dada impale with
the wall as well. This is three kills for mouse. They're bringing the numbers this time.
They thought they had the damage from the Beastmaster, but they weren't even really that close to killing him there, between Willow and Mars.
I think the problem is you arena spear him, and then the combo is obviously to fear the Mars, or fear the Beastmaster into the wall.
That's why this hero pairing is a classic, the Willow-Mars combination.
You can spear people through brambles, which is extra damage, and you can terrorize them in the arena, which is extra damage.
damage, but he ended up terrorizing the two arriving heroes from Malus protecting
Beast, and then they don't have enough damage. He starts healing up with the
axe, and ultimately the heroes arrive, and that's the end of the play. It's quite
a bit of weight on Nightfall's shoulders right now in this game, with Viper being
this far down the chart. Yeah, he's not found his usefulness quite yet. As he all
comes out front, Mira has Yamich easily taken out. Doesn't really turn into a
fight though. Wonder when he wants to go for his Roche. K.O.R.I. about to take his 29th
Tower of the Tournament on Jakiro in mid. He'll get it. K.O.R.I.
Let me get Chase though. Well worth it. tornado EMP. That is super worth it. Tier 2 Tower.
He forced TP's and got the Tower. Yeah. That is so early. Yep.
The fact that the Jakiro is even on that side of the map.
Disrespect at the highest level
That's just an objectively good play a lot of the time to either force rotation or get the tower
You're gonna die to a two or three man gang so be it you're freeing up space for your teammates who need the space
Need the viper to get somewhere Lauren off. This has been
Maybe his single worst start to a game in group stage two. It's not great
He is sixth on that worth you got early travels, but hasn't converted them into any kills
So it's effectively kind of just dead gold.
They want this item on Viper regardless, but most of the time it does
transition into a nice mid game with some kills, but this is what we've come to expect.
Will be scouted though.
Aurora getting objectives. That's taking towers.
Do they care that mouse? No.
Org spirits now.
Swiftly taken out, or one of them at least.
Back in the face goes Celery with the
Another blast. Keep them honest. I think they're going to be fully committed to this as Nipah is going to pop the ult.
He's going to be able to kill off the Aegis. Yes, gets the Aegis, in fact.
And now that Wicked Crab is stuck inside of the arena, but no real follow-up is Lornoff now.
Completely isolated, it seems. Wants to tank up as much as he can, but he's just going to be the first to die.
Not a great death at all as Mira gets vacuumed. There's the roar. Three dead, four Aurora.
Mouse, you have to give up that Roche, but we get a good fight out of it.
Celery doing work there. He saved the Knicks with the Decrep, got a full heal in, and then got a secondary heal later with the Life Drain.
And that just makes you wonder what could have been if Mouse were five seconds earlier.
They might have actually been able to get three kills plus the Roche steal, but the three kills themselves are also great.
And Cataclysm is just about there.
Yeah, and that begs the question, if you get this in time for the torment to which you absolutely will,
can you set up a good fight against the Aegis of Ursa? The problem is Ursa can solo it, so you're going to have to find a way to
engage on him and force him to use his abilities and kill him the once you can take him into combo the second time.
And it seems like when Maus are fighting they need to use multiple big spells to bring down the key targets.
But maybe you can kill him mid beforehand, that would be perfect for them. No. Nightfall's gonna wisely back off to the right.
I'm debating this pipe from Loranoff how much I like it versus getting it on Mars and then Loranoff gets agged.
I think potentially the Aina build up here from Aurora is not the perfect path.
Looks like a game where Nose Dive is very, very strong, and Mars doesn't mind buying
pipe.
It's not a bad item on the hero whatsoever.
Of course, WS loves his BKB, so he can get in there and be confident in casting spells,
but with a pipe in hand, he's pretty tough to kill for the radiant lineup.
And this is something we haven't talked about all that much, but what's the scalability
down the stretch for Malz here when you're playing carry beast?
Yeah.
Is it going to hold up when Ursa gets six-slotted?
Twenty-minute Torment timing, that's true.
This is... they can somehow win this fight with a Torment.
They're gonna be in pretty good position.
Lornaff needs something to TP on soon.
I fall.
I'm gonna show themself.
They're gonna be a BKB reveal for WS.
Oh, that's perfect timing, actually.
Smoke on smoke.
Yeah, partial smoke from Aurora.
As nightfall is heading towards that tormentor
He already has a primed up overpower
Just a single roar on a core with cataclysm is gonna do work nightfall his smoke pops
Yeah, I mean she's gonna scout it out. They pop the dust not in range though
Stellar is gonna get gone up by nightfall there's the arena BKP from WS with this fear to follow onto the two
There's the cataclysm doing decent amount of work Viper is dead right off the bat
It's gonna be at the cost of two supports, though, as Knifel,
slow to a crawl, that's ages down.
Mid one, spotted by WS, gets the spear out of the tree.
Knifel not interested in helping out his Mars,
but WS will fall four for two.
Mouse should be able to get the Tormentor now.
They have just, they have found the key.
They just keep killing Lorno first.
Again, he gets nothing off.
He didn't even cast pipe,
which is a huge part of Aurora's defensive potential.
He's playing around the arena, playing around the pipe, they've got Glimmer and Pavis.
How did he die instantly actually?
He's cutting, or is it just Nixon, Boca?
He's top left here, Roar, Chata.
That's it?
That's enough?
I mean, that's not surprising.
And that was in spite of a really nice three-man terrorizing the arena.
They still easily take down Aurora.
Seems like more BKBs are needed, and low enough he's going to start working on the
the axe now, but this is a secondary problem when you go for the pipe. It does nothing
against Catapult. You're actually less, arguably you're less tanky in this game with this item
than the other one, because it's the pure damage that's killing you.
Sure. So the extra couple hundred HP from axe could maybe go a long way. Paying the price,
this is looking good for Miles. It is. You take the Viper completely out of the equation,
a 4v5. You're getting a ton of value out of Darkseer too, I feel like, and it all comes
back to that laning stage that I don't understand. This is probably a replay to watch if you're
a Darkseer fan, to understand how this is even possible. That you drew the lane against
Earth's particular role. It's quite the testament to the off-lane duo of Broom and Yamash that
they were able to accomplish that. I guess perhaps maybe a little bit too much rotation
away from Keori could have been part of it. He was making early gate plays and he ganked
mid. If you remember he dove into three between the towers. Maybe in retrospect that was not
worth it for how much you gave over to Boom.
It's only a 2K lead for Mouse but it does feel like they have this lineup that is going
to be peaking pretty soon. Aurora can outlast them.
It's definitely a more once more kind of game.
And I think the next step from Maus, try to deny this next roast for the Ursa.
Who now has BKB, Nightfall yet to have a death to his name, 6-0.
And Lornoff after pipe is now going for, he is going aggs now.
So we'll get that nosedive and mid one, does he have something coming to him?
I don't think he has purchased anything in a while.
That's a boost to travel axe at the moment.
And boom, the Aura Bot with Greaves pipe and Shiva's looks to be next still a bit away
from that.
Pretty standard, but it's incredible for his teammates to have a Shiva on the team.
You're often times you want to buy this on Beastmaster, but when you're playing Carribeast
If there are different builds you can go, you can see Crystal is currently looking at a butterfly.
Yeah, that's interesting.
On the carrier beast against Ursa.
What do you think about that?
I think it's decent. I mean that's the thing you get from running beast mode is
you get so much damage when you activate inner beast that you can focus on the right click angle.
So I don't mind it.
I'm not sure it's the best choice to go Butterfly in particular, but going right-click is surely what you have to do when you're playing with Invoker mid.
You need somebody to solve that problem down the stretch against BKB. Somebody needs to pose some sort of threat.
Here's the lore, and he popped the pipe, but like you said, not to do anything against Cataclysm.
So another death to Lornoff's name.
Boy, oh boy, this is a sad Viper game.
Watch to the rejoicing of most pop players out there as the tier 2 tower looks to be next.
Jenkins called it no chance for Viper against Invoker, of course.
Saw the future. He knew that all the roar catas were coming.
Yeah, this is pretty... pretty pitiful numbers for the dire sign on Viper to contest this.
Do you have to go for a Lincoln's?
I think Ag's Lincoln's is good, and once again I don't know if Pipe was the right choice.
I think it's good for them to have a pipe in their tank, but oh, they missed the terrorized boom just ran straight north
Now he's still gonna get scared. Okay, nobody coming to help him. I'm lucky
Look at this tower. They were worlds a Lackardy Ford spirit
Yes, wow, viper strike and I don't think he's
He's getting killed, I think it's just expired.
Oh god, everything going wrong for Lorna.
That's the Caster Curses, mid one, gonna be...
Okay, Nifle has to... Yikes, no vision.
Why didn't he jump that solo with... Meanwhile, fear from WS Lorna
taking the front of this damage again.
U.S. NA1 vs. 2, he's relatively tanky, we'll pop the BKB and we'll get away safely, but
it's like every trade going mouse's favor right now.
We all expect a Crystal is on Razor, not great, but on Beastmaster he's popping off.
This is why you play your trademark heroes.
Can't even blame that it's not a good Razor passenger.
Sometimes a fresh perspective and just playing something else.
i don't know if you've experienced this yourself or sometimes you play a hero that you haven't played in a long time
or haven't played much in just the
the change of scenery can be
helpful for some players sometimes
yeah for sure just run something else usually not the application
sometimes you like focus a bit more or because you're not autopiloting as much
if you think a little bit more nightfall
backing away some pressure this
barracks
I'm gonna be a full commitment though as Nightfall will enrage in fear.
Loranoff has had this staff of wizardry in his inventory over the point booster the entire time.
This can't be right.
Because he thinks he's universal still.
This can't be right.
Even if he were universal, it was still wrong.
You need the HP, sure.
Well, wait, what if he...
Okay, now he's swapped both of them out.
What's he getting? A sentry.
There's no wart though.
He swapped it in again.
You're getting real triggered, huh?
Well, maybe he's getting mouse-accustomed to how much HP he has.
Am I missing something? How much magic resist is this?
It's like...
Okay, I bought another item.
Oh, he swapped in the Ogrex and the point booster.
That was the secret.
Yeah, it goes with the axe.
Alright, copy that.
He needed to cross 2000.
These barracks are in peril.
Yeah, just a sole defender and it's Lornaff who can at any time be a roar to cataclysm.
Pretty much don't need anything else if he's dead.
This is a mega timing right?
Beastmaster is death default.
It's the butterfly.
Make no mistake, Chrysalis can solo Ursa in a stun until he gets eggs.
He can die in a roar.
Beastmaster does dirty damage.
Roar or Aurora as we're gonna see the jump hit WS with the arena, BKB's Popka Lor,
Nightfall's got folks now on the dark sphere, but for the Crepefi keeping him alive,
wasting most of the BKB for Nightfall who turns his sights to Celery instead.
Roach is gonna drop right in his face and a Vat comes in,
whom and company are just running over Aurora, Nightfall.
My goodness, everything going against them, including Roach.
Belches right in their face, Cataclysm again reserved for Loranoff and only Loranoff.
Maybe it doesn't matter that you kill Lorna first.
You either kill him or just everyone else.
That's right.
At this point, it seems like Mauser just slated to get the right entries into every single fight.
The power of Nyx and Celery on the Puckna with clutch after clutch after clutch saved with these to creptifies.
Ursa hates this matchup and really needs a nullifier, but he also needs eggs because he needs protection against these stuns.
It just feels like he needs too many items and the timing is just totally off now for Aurora.
They lose Roche, they lose Top Rax.
This is not who we were expecting, so look at this, this arena, it's on two and they get the spear on Darkseer.
They're trying to cop him with everything.
Picker I provide. Alright, now they can't kill him anymore.
Alright, let's go on Pluckna!
Belch!
Glimmer, Solar, Belch.
And Estyn's Ring.
Oh my.
I have to say, I mean, Mouses are playing much better in this game than we've seen recently,
but also there's some really bad luck for like probably three instances this game.
The enemy is scouting out WS.
Yeah, Invoker is coming.
Does have Invoker nearby.
He's got to be forced to BKB here, surely, if they open him.
He's staying pale, but the jump in Nightfall, he was ready for this.
But the two BKBs out.
They both pop it.
That's not terrible.
It's a decent trade for the Radiant, I would say.
Both down to 6 seconds, but it's a long cooldown so you could still make a move if you wanted to.
Aurora find themselves in the 12k deficit at 30 minutes.
Their lineup is just not very good at playing from behind.
It feels like in any given fight, the good to crack the high just eats all their BKB durations.
Yeah.
I'm gonna make a special question.
Do you need to go nullifier?
Well, that's an illusion.
You do, but you have to get axe first.
He's curing up MKB though, thinking about how to deal with Beastmaster.
I don't think Beastmaster is the biggest problem.
I don't think he's even tried to hit Beastmaster this game.
No.
I think the biggest problem in this game is Pogna.
I mean, it's everyone else playing around him.
I don't think you're just gonna fight him head on and win that.
now
as you're not going to be allowed to get
twelve swings in a row often crystal is well the image uh... just made blown off
a lot less tanky
not that he had the issue before has the break now with the shard
against both him and the marz against marz w u s
and now he's speaking as a cool down so he's got
it one is a monster this game
destroyed by perhaps jenkins predicted
Wouldn't it be crazy if this is the game that just levels mouths up, and they go on a tear,
and they somehow get a tiebreaker with 3 and 4, and this was the game that started it all?
I'd love to see it.
That would be insane.
Ian, this is now another good reason to get a nullifier.
You can't not buy nullifier now, on our side, if you get there.
I don't know if it's gonna get there though.
It's not looking likely at this point.
Crystal is.
He's queued it up.
Tanking up pretty much the full macro fire, we'll back away, and raise all the heals.
After acts he's given up on acts. He's gonna buy nullifier with a point booster. All right. Yeah, that's he has to get it
Whoa, they actually forced staff the viper this time so Lorna for the first time this game will live through a cataclysm
But will he live in general gets the viper strike off getting rooted by the hawk WS with the arena
You only find a little cockroach though in the form of nicks. Oh, he won't rise
He blinks away, now getting healed by Celery.
Now they're jumping, there's the vacuum, the wall right on top of them as well.
The spear is going to hit from WS and Nightfall,
slightly their last-ditch effort to get some meaningful kills here.
Boom takes a tumble, but Nightfall now floats to a crawl,
will have to enrage and run back to Fountain.
They get one core, but it's not nearly enough.
Second set, Core Mouth, still with a minute on Aegis.
If they want to press the issue here, they can buy back Darkseer and TP on the outpost.
But do they even need that?
That would be the power move.
Alacrity upon Chrystallis will get Viper struck.
Ages for 50 seconds, but the pugna, like we can see,
is the problem.
Pugna getting speared, getting all the hate,
and that is a dead seller for 60 seconds.
But Nyfo jumps in, instantly killed off.
That's 80 seconds without your big, bad bear.
Now, the Sheepstick in tow for mid-1
should be able to get these mega creeps and a victory for game 2.
I don't see a way out of this anymore for Aurora.
Oh, nice, nice, they fail with a can actually!
Oh, the damage is insane with the vacuum as well!
Somehow nobody dies to get the definite blast on top of the Mars who's just slowed down.
Gigi is eventually called here as Mouse.
They're alive, Sindarin!
Hmm...
Now, how do you approach this in the next game for Aurora?
I wonder what they thought the problem was overall.
I think so. My main point of criticism was obviously I didn't like Viper's itemization.
I think perhaps there was room for improvement there, but...
You also just got caught off all over the map by the Nix Invoker combo, so that wasn't great.
And Miles seemed very confident with their Beast Smash, and for a curve ball, putting a carry on Crystallis
Ends the game 10, 2, and 16
I did not expect Miles to be able to recover from, you know, what had been pretty rough to say the least group stage 2
And they're not out of the woods yet, they need to win game 3, but just this singular game
I did not think this was going to be going to a game 3
But they leveled up, they found their stride, and then what's so cool to see about this
team when things click, they're inconsistent.
But when they click, they're very good at playing with an advantage and playing fast.
Aurora didn't get time to recover in the game.
There was non-stop Nix Invoker Beastmaster, the whole gang actually, just pummelling into
them non-stop with their abilities and their spells, and we're going to third game.
I hope we get to see more bronze level Beastmaster, Sheebar.
It was. He doesn't have Dota Plus, so everything that he plays is gonna be bronze level soon.
I was like, don't play with the guy. He did great. The whole team did great.
They managed to force out a game three, and this is indeed a series as Cinderance said,
I don't think anybody was expecting even a game three.
This is looking like it was gonna be one of the more one-sided series that we were gonna have today.
And Maus make it happen. I think both Invoker and Pugna should be too. We should definitely highlight.
I feel like we heard you mentioned that when Pugna got picked, you liked the pick. It was good.
I felt like it was everything they needed.
Yeah, it was very effective. I mean, it's gonna reflect some damage, it's gonna keep some of their cores alive.
But I think the stuff that really paid off was certainly disables into Sunstrike. The pure damage is a lot.
I get why Lornoff won BOTs. He probably felt the need to create some activity for his team, and Viper is so slow.
But there are some slightly different theories for what build to go on Viper, and this is probably one of the three.
It's probably the most common, I would say, but he didn't tank up immediately after it.
He had double bracer with BOTs. He got his ring of Tresk, I think, immediately afterwards, and he probably felt like,
you probably thought like, oh, this is gonna be fine.
I'm gonna protect my team from all this magic damage
that they're throwing out.
But then instead, they're like, we'll just kill you.
And they killed him many, many times.
Yeah, vastly underestimating the Invoker damage,
I would say.
This was a really nice draft from Maus
because I think they did something which is very good
and pretty common in this meta for the top tier teams,
which of course they are,
and they were in the conversation for that
just a week ago.
But they also did something that fits their style.
Like they picked something that was really fast.
They got heroes for their players that they're good at.
They had this pivot in the draft
where they put Invoker mid against the Viper
instead of Beastmaster,
whichever one we all thought it was gonna be
a mid one, Beastmaster mid.
So they were just on, for some reason,
another level in this game.
And I hope they can repeat it for a third one
because then we'll get a series
that is actually very competitive.
Yeah, and I know Brian you're very busy with puzzle, but I believe you also watched the game and you had some very important moments to show us
Did I she's yeah, thank you, dude
Actually, yeah
I just want to talk about the viper build here as purge was mentioning because at the end of the day viper's most important job in fights is to survive
He's meant to be a beefy utility boy in these fights and you're gonna see him in the top left of your screen
He's going to get blink ward by a beast master and killed almost full to zero two-thirds of his HP from that cataclysm
which is indeed pure damage. So the corrosive skin that he has as well as the
pipe build did not actually net him anything. So we're watching these long
fights play out and they have the burst damage from the Ursa and the Mars but
Viper's the one responsible for giving them that extra oomph and the same thing
here and I just think it's really important to note when you're a hero
So that's job is to be a utility guy.
He went utility, but when your utility doesn't address the way that you're going to die,
there's like this balance between or items, team items, and then your own items.
And I'm sure you guys have done this too.
I've done it plenty of times where you buy items for your team and then you just die.
And you end up being like, ah, maybe I should itemize a bit more selfishly.
I think maybe like a manta hurricane pike aggs like it probably aggs hurricane pike manta, but against cataclysm
You have to get yourself out of it
I think that's a really good call by the way from mouse that they focused him
Yeah, only he had the team items and that they had pure damage or like this guy built a bad build like let's let's go on and make
Him make him worthless. He didn't respect the way that they're gonna like he this
This is what he chose to build
That's a good
That's what they were thinking on the side of me, they were like, that's disrespectful for the damage we can do.
Lornoff probably thought they were going to go on other targets, so he was going to be in the back of lines, but now is the end.
Show them what's up.
That's what I think is interesting, is that if the game could have played out this slightly different way, maybe not slightly,
but let's say Lornoff doesn't get jumped a couple times and some strike and cataclysm with net worth advantage.
If he just, let's say there's just team fights and he pipes his team, it's completely different.
And then he's gonna, let's say he does okay in like two team fights, boom, he's got another
400 HP from having an axe or dragon lance or something.
And then it's like he doesn't get bursted anymore.
Like the game tempo could have been completely different if like the first couple of ganks
didn't happen.
Yeah.
If the three ganks didn't happen, it really cascades big time.
For sure.
We literally saw in those clips like Nightfall dying to pretty much solo Invoker after his
mid pipe buyer went down.
He has a pipe. He doesn't die to the meteor afterwards like
It just it was just really good team fight priority for mouse
Like you also know that you can't go on Ursa, right? Because he's very likely going to he's not
Playing badly which night falls from playing extremely good. He's gonna press Ursa ult and the cataclysm is not really gonna do anything
So
Yeah, the the target was the viper in this case and it was very good team fight priority very good
I mean this puzzle brain this one's fun. You want to show it to the camera? It's pretty cool
This one is the funnest one thus far, I think.
Yeah, it's like two-sided.
It's like a maze.
It's like a maze on both sides, and you can move these things separately.
The maze is different on both sides.
Yeah, the maze is different on both sides,
and you have to kind of navigate your way through it.
Yeah, and there's actually four mazes, because there are two pins.
Each half of the circle has one separate maze,
so there's four little mazes on there.
We're doing that puzzle because we did finish the circle one,
the one that has the circle and the circle.
The astronomy one, the astronomy one.
The astronomy one, we did do that one, that one exactly.
So, so far still the only one that we failed where we have, we conceded was the bolt one.
The bolt and the nuts.
Boring.
The puzzle is getting a lot of hate, I'll tell you that.
But yeah, we decided to continue anyway just because we enjoyed the puzzles.
Might not be getting any points, but that's okay.
We enjoyed for fun sometimes, even when you're losing a game,
you still continue in playing, because it's fun.
And you're learning from it.
What is your role in learning from it?
You think the Lornoff had fun in that game?
You think that was fun?
Well...
Can I talk about why the bowl game sucked?
Okay.
Look, the bowl game was a little disappointing,
because it didn't have any visual stimulation.
It's like, there were tiny pieces that were slightly shaved
A little bit differently than the other ones, you just had to find them.
They're really hard to see, really hard to feel.
That's not fun.
You're it's like you're like, Hey, let's play a game.
And you're you're in a dark room and every time you bump into something, you're like, oh, oh, OK.
But then it like moves slightly and not fun.
This one's on.
Did you know the top puzzle won awards?
Don't care. I think they all want to.
I think they all want awards.
They did. Let me look at this one.
That one's just I don't know if there has to be like a this was from a Dutch designer.
There there has to be like a stimulation to like enjoyment level
Which is why people like which is why people like sunspan play turbo. Okay
Actually the bull the bull I can I prefer to go a little farther, you know
How many points do you think they'll get for this challenge?
11 probably one to three one to three most likely is my expectation
Because we we crashed out on and on puzzle two
And but then we accomplished puzzle three
They went all the way up to four but I know they went up to five five well
They didn't complete five okay, but they complete the one I don't know if it matters that we solve the ones after two because we already
Conceded at that point. It's not like we can see that we conceded
The challenge rather than the one puzzle. Yeah, I would like to argue it that way too. Shever. Yeah, well work though
That's okay great. Yes. That's how we did it
We continued after...
Yep, because we're fun, we already completed.
Let's take a look at what's gonna happen next.
After a break.
It's been six long days since I saw you, baby.
I've been coming to your house, minutes, seconds,
until you're back in my house again.
Meet me.
And then I stay in your bed, it's my night.
I'll be the amazing ones that have a man and a sister.
There's the night I talk to the movies, Friday night is time to get moving, Saturday night the DJ's still the team
Saturday night
Saturday night
Saturday night
Saturday night
Saturday night
Oh
I never dreamed that this would ever end
But here I am, turning away every night
It's the one thing I feel, I don't want to disappear
You know I'm not one to pretend
This is the day that I must say, I do you
It's what I've got to do
Enough, enough
I can't let go
Enough, enough
It all went wrong
Enough, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say goodbye
I wanted more
Of you than anything
I remember the days
We couldn't stand being apart
Now the distance we seek in the North we don't speak
We've lost everything that we've got
I have no choice, son
There's no voice and all I know is that I have to go
Now you know what I can't go on
Enough, enough, enough, enough, enough I don't know like that it's over now, so let's just save it for now
Enough, enough, I can't go on, enough, enough It all went for a while, enough, enough
I don't know why, but it's over now, so let's just save the world
I can't go on
Enough, enough, get over it
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say
Goodnight, I can't go on
Enough, enough
Oh, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say goodbye
Just give me the beat
I just wanna move my feet now
Just give me the beat
That's all I need
Just hold your feet and let it breathe
Cause all you see is all you mean
Don't be cheeked, don't do it for free
Turn left to eat like an oven baby
Give me that yalla that ain't me
Wanna use control
Cause when we stop, nothing in the party
Keep jumping, nobody get on the fly
Cause if you don't show up
We're watching Strangling Season 28
And we are going to the distance
Yeah, this means we're going to the game three
We're going to the distance, it's one of the two you can pick.
Maus vs Aurora, it was not in our bingo cards this morning, let us tell you that.
This is Aurora, they're 3-1 right now, they're doing so good in the group stages,
whereas Maus, 0-4, if they lose, even one more game now, they're eliminated,
they're out, well, they're no longer able to progress out of the group stages.
So, a lot of pressure on them to perform in this game, and to be honest,
this pressure that they have perched, it's working out.
I guess so, yeah.
I mean, they found the right juice there.
They got the little Flex pick in.
Crystal's played an excellent Beastmaster carry,
something we haven't seen since group stage one, I think.
So I'm happy to see the Flex heroes are still back in the game
because I don't know, it feels like the drafts are good.
Is that how it is supposed to be, together?
It's beautiful.
It looks like it's together.
Yeah, but you have to still make it into...
The lovely planetary body.
Didn't he make it?
You have to make it into a circle.
Oh, the middle parts.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, but you did like 90% of it.
I didn't do it.
Look, I make them all in the same ring.
So Brian worked on that puzzle backstage because the shift
won.
Because shift one didn't do it.
They left it there.
They didn't get a chance to finish it.
So Brian was kind of working on that
while we bashed our heads against the nuts and bolts.
So Brian already did it.
And he actually put it back together as well.
So, we won't count that as a completion.
I just put it back the way it was. That's stupid.
Why would I do that? There we go.
That one is the fun. I think the later we went, the funner they were.
Like, I think the more difficult ones were more like...
You felt more free.
You know, you had more... Like, you had more options, which was cool.
Just like you have so many options in a draft of Dota 2.
Dude, there's so many heroes you could choose from.
Sometimes you're like, do I want to pick Mars first or Shadow Fiend?
The obvious answer is Shadow Fiend because...
Do I want to ban Triant or Largo or both?
Oh, interesting, yes. They banned the Beast this time, so that flex is gone.
Will Mouse proved the greatest upset in talent predictions in history?
I don't want to take anything away from Mouse, but I genuinely...
They...
I don't say this lightly. Lornav grieved the shit out of that game.
What?
Grief is a strong word.
Blame it on the stand and why not, Brian?
I I say it's not a fair word because Lorna
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That's true. I guarantee to some degree the mid for the real
The give between game two and game three discussion was Lornaf saying my bad and then just saying I've been owning all tournament
It's all good. Let's just win game three. I would just say he's not grief. He lost him the game
That's all it's okay grease the wrong word was like he was still buying reasonable ish items
It just was like he got the wrong puzzle piece for the game
And then the other two was like punish punish punish punish punish
It's like okay the game's over
It's so uncharacteristic like it happens in your pubs though where you'll just see your teammate items and you'll be like, huh?
That's obviously wrong. Yeah, he's you and you've also been able to do that yourself
Where have you guys ever been in a game where you have the wrong items and you die once and you're you've built defensive items
Oh, yeah, and now you die and you're just like this one game. I was playing support
I built Pavis and I looked at that in me lineup. It was they're all magic
Like oh, it's like five minutes. It was terrible
Sometimes those games feel like if you if you could just tell your items for like 70% of the cost
Yeah, like just like if something like that fast at that look exactly you would you could just sell it
And it's the win you should get like a mulligan one one item per game. Yeah, you're allowed to sell. Yeah, exactly
What if they did that one, but it's kind of the beautiful thing about Dota sometimes is that you can identify
These things and they come to you so
At least to me they come randomly sometimes where I'm just like oh they have a lot of physical damage
So I'm just like oh, I'm just gonna build like four armor items and boom it like makes my game really easy
It feels like I cracked the code like I solve the puzzle on the first shot and other games
You just like it and somebody says like well it happens actually a lot when I'm streaming
So I was like oh you should probably buy this item and I'm like oh shit. That's a really good idea
I just wouldn't have thought of that because I was too locked in like last video and stuff.
I mean there's so much that could have happened that led to Lornoff going the
items he did. I mean I imagine them thinking we have an offlaner that's
going BKB Blink. We need something to counteract like the teamfight aura's of
Darkseer and that's also a trap that you can fall into I'm sure all of us have
where there's a role that needs to be filled in the game and you try to do it
and it's just not your job. You know what I mean? Like your hero just needs other
Yeah, you're here. I think I think he was part way there though like him being the guy that runs in first is definitely okay
It's just that you can do that with other items
I've seen against invoker plus disable combo like literally just yondas
Legit just running with yondas lotus. You can't go that like first item
I've seen it not first item, but like second item. Well, we're I mean we're I guess yeah, that's true
It's a good easy go out second. He could have bought a dragon lance
He could have bought an ogre club part of his eggs and finish the eggs later
Like or he could bottom-point booster. You could have an extra like four or five hundred HP
And yeah, he's not dying in that roar or he could about treads
And sacrifice movements to be eaten and Matt presence just to have more rise piece. Yeah, anyway
Lornaff is G next he they forgot they forgot about the game. They're going next
There's a these are very different picks Larry a war. Yes gave
They gave shadow feet
Which I think is super interesting, like, banking that Maus just isn't that good at executing with Shadowfiend, and it has kind of looked that way this tournament as well, even though Shadowfiend is a very, very strong hero.
The one way people seem to be beating SF is by, like, running at him in lane, like, going through the portal and just pressure, pressure, pressure.
And mouse is the team that I would say is like the best at
Doing the early game pressure. So maybe they're
They understand the early game well enough that they're like we're not gonna get pressured on SF
So we're gonna take it you can have your Mars, whatever
Like I wonder if this trade is actually worth it for mouse. I made it worse
Now you do make it worse before you make it better shoes
Hey, that means you're on the right track.
Probably.
Yeah, we'll see what happens.
Well, I guess I would have to, like, that's how all these puzzles feel.
You do have to make it worse many times and then it just...
Well, if that's the case, I did step one, anybody want to?
You have all three of them tied together, is that what you did?
Yes.
Yeah, then you got step one down, fantastic.
Step one down, there you go.
I do like the...
They're looking a little squishy on Aurora Gaming right now, but at least in the early
game, the Windranger will be really survivable. And she's got good mobility and Miles doesn't
have the best disables right now. And if she does get on top of Shadowfiend with the right
items, she can deal a lot of damage to him, which is an upside.
Yeah, I guess I just want to draw attention to the fact that Miles has an SF with a Marcy,
like obviously SF is just a turret that likes to click and now they've given him a Marcy
that's meant to make him click harder. And if you look at Aurora's draft, it's Mars Arena,
which blocks ranged projectiles,
windranger, windrun, which dodges attacks.
And then you also have Willow with Shadow Realm.
And I assume that Jakiro will be positioned
really far back.
I just like how they've conceptually addressed the SF.
They've just said,
we're gonna make it as difficult as possible
for you to right click.
Now I'm wondering,
we saw this happening against Liquid earlier
from PariVision,
where PariVision picked a bunch of heroes
that are really hard to right click
and they just put the SF mid on Nisha.
So I would be, I think it'd be a really cool swap-up if Maus were to do that, because I think Magic Damage SF is way more impactful than Right Click SF given the way that Arora is dropped.
Yeah, it would be, it's like taking your opponent's counters and just being like, okay, well it's fine now.
I mean, I think carry SF is like objectively better Jenkins, objectively.
But I do think that if people are like, what's really cool about SF, what makes him even more broken than usual is that he does have two completely different builds that have two completely different place files and do different types of damage.
So when you item or when you draft a counter one of them, you can absolutely like even if mid SF is half as good as carry SF, if carry SF is 100% countered and mid SF is 0% countered, it's going to be better.
Yeah.
And it makes his ulti easier to execute too if you go to the Yashakaya
So it's like he then adds teamfight has way less like crazy right click
But the teamfight addition is really nice when paired with the Warlock or even the Mercy
I mean maybe he even does like the hybrid carry build I guess now that I think about it like we saw pure earlier
Just do Yashakaya on and silver edge or something. Yeah carry SF. So
Man more and more silver edges
I wasn't sure. I kind of figured it out with Jenkins like a week ago. I'm like, I think people are gonna keep buying this item
I mean they did buff it slightly recently, right? They added that move and speed cap, I believe
Initially that seemed like a small buff, but it's a huge buff.
Was that like a... I kind of feel like with Viper's prevalence teams were like, man breaking somebody feels really good
I don't know. I don't know if it was like because they saw it's often a Viper that it just became obvious and that stuff like
Do I want Viper with gold? Oh, there it is. Boom.
But it's just more color now, I feel like.
I think what happened was that people are having to build all these super durable offlaners,
like Crystalback, and we saw Tyner, even Mars, has a crucial passive to break.
And so there's already going to be at least one hero that the break itself is super impactful against.
But honestly, the Moosepeak app screws over so many heroes that now you just have at least two or three good targets to hit with a Silver Edge.
We're seeing people have to like pop BKB when you get ganked because you're just hit by a Silver Edge and you're slowed to 200 Moosepeak for five seconds.
Like that's like a VitoGale that scales that run, but it's like a VitoGale that scales that you have to BKB it off.
So, that's how, when you think about it, it's pretty ridiculous.
It's a really strong item.
Alright, one thing I don't like about Miles Landup though, who's starting their fights?
That guy.
Okay, so it's going to be Karius after them.
Damn dude, you're really tempted to Viper here.
Holy.
I mean, I think it's fine if you run it back.
I- I-
Watch the OTs.
Into Pype.
I mean, Pype is actually good in this one.
It's good in the last one.
Ain't no Invoker.
I still think Hurricane Pike is better than Pipe here, like you don't want to be sitting
in the warlock soup with a goal among you and getting Epi-Center, you just want Hurricane
Pike out of there.
Or Ag's dive out of there.
It's just rough because like Mars is not a Pipe buying off laner and you want to Pipe
for sure against Sand King.
True.
True.
I mean it is way more magic damage than when you get the, uh...
I was going to say storm.
Okay.
It was a jump hurt instead.
I like the storm.
Why were you thinking about it?
I like the storm because Lornoff's been absolutely popping off on storm and they only have one point-quick stun on the side of Maus and
Until SF is huge. They just don't have damage to kill them like they don't have a lot of follow-up. So I feel like
Your route was to either match their team fight which you have good spells
But I don't think it's ideal for you to fight them head-on like equal numbers
I think you have much better two-man gank squads on the side of Aurora and
And Storm Spirit just kind of plays much more into that playstyle.
Like I think Maus need three, four heroes to kill anyone for a long period of time.
And so if you just play the mobility game with, you have Windranger, she's very mobile core,
you have Willow and Mars, you have J'Cure to clear waves.
I just think that that playstyle, I didn't want them to try to compete for the teamfight basically.
I'm worried that Aurora does have a good frontline though.
It's like all squishy-ish heroes.
That is true. Mars is not really a frontliner.
I mean, I suppose you can't go for, like, some pipe wars build on Mars.
It's not like people don't sometimes do that. It's just a little off meta.
What about Windranger versus Bristleback?
Is there a way that you can go for Silver Edge on Wind? It's a little redundant with Agz.
It's a mostly damage item. It does, like, 70 damage and 35 attack speed, so it's probably not the worst with Focus Fire,
but usually you want proc stuff.
Probably 4th-fiz item, earliest.
I mean, I guess they have Mars to face the bristle. It's not like bristles. I really do think you play the map on this game
Like if I'm not if I'm Aurora, I just think play the map. Don't fight them head-on get get advantageous numbers
You're only killing the bristle if it's like 4v1 or you're killing him last like I think
That if they are to give mouse an honest 5v5 that mouse will absolutely wipe the floor with them. So, yeah
I think mouse should run celery in the off lane like they should do what Aurora did in the
first game. That'd be a cool run Warlock with Bristle and you just shove out the lane.
And as of Marcy, that's a strong one. As of Marcy is insane. And then Marcy can run
through the gate and maybe get kills by jumping to Bristle.
That sounds really good. That'd be a cool swap up. I'd be inspired by that. I'm feeling
mouses. I'm feeling mouses. You have to actually.
Is that because you want to actually gain points in predictions?
No, I'm loss maxing. I hope they lose, but I think they've actually done a great job
today.
like Aurora got their work cut out for them here in this third game. They definitely made it maybe
a little bit too tricky on themselves, but let's see if they can pull through or if Maus will
overtake Aurora in game three and will stay in the competition. So over to Son's Final Syndrome.
There's our Klonsack, everybody. It's a festival out here.
Burning the midnight oil to pictures of lovely evening dance in Sweden.
Beautiful.
In the summer, long gone, that we are now waiting for to come back.
Please, you cannot.
You cannot take the weather.
You say it's way too cold.
Back in my Arizona.
It's so cold.
Yeah, it's like 70 degrees.
I'm here in this family, like, oh, so human!
What an air conditioning.
Yes, get over yourself.
That is correct.
That sounds just like me, actually.
Grow up!
All right.
Mouse versus Aurora, game three.
I kind of agree with the panel.
Mouse's draft looks awesome.
It looks very good to me, too.
But I do think the last pick storm
could be the difference maker for Aurora, but I mean,
I would, like we just talked about,
If Maus somehow level up in this series, if they get a series win here, imagine what it does for your morale.
Like, you know that the team you just beat in the best of three is slated to get top two.
You're probably feeling quite confident going into your next series. Maybe you figured something out.
Yeah.
It also helps that you don't have to ban Viper.
You are up to then.
You're basically trying to entice them, if anything, daring them to pick Viper.
You got a Bristleback, you got a Sand King Mid, they do not pick Viper, send her in.
I am very curious, I think that's the thing I'm most curious about in this game is seeing how well Mid 1 is going to play the Sand King compared to Mal'Rean.
There's a playstyle and there's a subset of players, Mal'Rean in this case, where there's just a player that's better.
And I'm not expecting Mid 1 to do Mal'Rean level performance on Sand King, but it's a matter of if you can somewhat mimic it at least
least and get a lot out of this early laning stage. Again, Storm, most heroes can draw
this matchup.
Yep, his best is going to help out a decent amount too with that miss chance.
Threatening the kill here even.
There's Yamich having a 1v1 battle with Mira. I feel like Mira has played two heroes in
this tournament, Dorf Willow and Lyon.
There's been a lot of Lyon and some Shadow Demon, of course, when they get to...
Oh, yes.
That's cool. His Shadow Demon is probably the best of the three in terms of performance
still far this tournament. It's also the best hero. It's easier to look good on a hero that's just
better, but I would agree. Now, Maus did do the lane swap up that the panel is hoping for. They
play the Warlock with Bristol, and they can just fatal-bond the wave together with Windranger and
push it out with the Quills. It does a lot of damage, and it's not really a lane that Jaquiro
can aggress all that well into. This is a side benefit of running Warlock 4 is it's one of the
the very few supports that can beat Shakira and lane because it's also a 5.
Welcome to the current Dota where the 5s are so good that you can play them as 4s.
Early TP back to base. WES will get some nice fellow XP. I don't think there's any kill potential right now, especially with a man on Crystallis.
It's only got 8 CS on the SF though right now.
To the 11 of Mars.
Not the hottest start for a crystalist with Yammerich on the Marsy.
Meanwhile mid lane, dead even, 16 in all, peace.
Yeah.
I'm not surprised to see this.
I feel like this lane is just a wash and this was not where I was looking for mid one
to shine.
It was in terms of efficiency with stacking and maybe pulling the wave into camps where
it feels like so far he's only played the lane.
I'm not exactly sure when Malrin starts doing this. I feel like sometimes he does it level 3 sometimes level 5
And the supports also put more emphasis on stacking for him, which hasn't happened yet, of course
Accelerate on the warlock is playing this top lane
Very statically with boom and will be rewarded a lotus
Yeah, 1v2 there booms like I'll sit here all day hitting cool sprays. Yes. They have to leave
It actually really sucks for the Windranger. She's taking constant harassment. Might have to buy more regen now.
This windrunner fasted, I find, to be just absurd.
Yeah.
Like, how is this a thing?
It just gives too much damage.
You think that's the only problem?
I think it's a primary problem.
It's not like it's too much damage.
I mean if it didn't give any damage it'd still be really good would it not?
No, I don't think so. I think four heroes together doesn't sound good. I mean they need to line up for it
It's pretty rare that you hit this one more than two heroes. Doesn't it change the angle a bit as well?
I don't think so. Like I've seen some some weird
Shackles. I think the reason it looks weird is that it can shackle to two targets behind the primary one
But that's still in the original search radius. It just hits more targets in the back.
I could be wrong. It doesn't say on it that it gives more radius. Just that you get more damage.
We'll see how that feels for Nightfall. What do you think of Windrunner as a carry?
We've seen it be kind of a hitter- I mean, early today we saw Static just kill himself playing against Enta.
Yeah, I mean the hero has some good, some bad matchups, which is unsurprising.
She's very good at assassination style play where she needs to kill one key target.
There's nothing new about that, that's just focused by her in a nutshell.
The reason she's being played as a carry is because of Tangled. It's the only reason.
If this bastard didn't exist, nobody would be touching this hero.
You get so much damage for free, you're a much stronger laner.
You can use it to offensively harass, you can use it to deny.
because the moment you tangle the creep wave to the hero you get like plus 60 damage
so you can just play like a refraction and try to deny it.
Dispose of the WS will have to rebute the way.
Shadow realm damage on the Crystallis though as Kaori, making his first rotation with that blood grenade.
WS gets a spear into the tower but the Lotus is going to save Crystallis for the time being WS is committed to this
but he dies first to Stellarys hand
as we see the first epicenter of the game for mid-1, and that's too dead for Aurora.
Yeah, they thought they had the damage, but a quick response, and this is what I've been missing for Maus,
is that instant reaction, and it's the good teamwork that's been sloppy, to say the least, in the last couple of days,
but sharpening up here, immediate response from Celery on the TP,
it almost seemed like they had planned that this Shakira would be ganking.
Time for a 6 minute power run, Yammich.
The area with mid 1, gonna tank up some nice brambles, but the moon is bottled by mid 1.
Not often you see the level 6 epicenter find good targets right away, as this is a really
early TP, and Crystallis dies.
The walk of shame incoming.
Instant tip.
My oh my.
How did you not know you were going to die there on 1% overkill?
There's Miro.
Have you not played Shadowfiend before?
Anything to make someone tilt.
Yeah, and you just look at Chrislis' camera immediately and he's just smiling.
Is he?
Well, that's good.
I think Chrislis is un-tiltable.
That's not a thing, by the way.
Everyone is tiltable.
I do think you're right about that, but he's not on the top enough.
Grubby is proof of that.
Grubby?
What about G.H.?
I'm sure he's tilted.
Oh, he's tilted.
Still.
Like we didn't qualify.
It's been tilted for three weeks.
Just a permanent state.
G.H. is the nicest human being.
Maybe the anomaly in the equation here.
W.S. has got his phase boots.
See if you can have another monster performance on this Mars.
Definitely needs it in this game three, because Mouse is no slouch.
We thought they were, yep, but game two, showing that they still have some of that magic left in them.
Not looking too hot currently on the Shadow Fendo.
I find it fascinating how different it is between the teams.
There must be something about the early laning stage on this hero, where...
like why are some players just ahead by a thousand gold more at eight minutes
than others it's not yeah there was such a cure rotation here but that even
favored you got the kill so there's just something in your one epicenter play
with the borough strike to get the rebound as well Lorna though is level
six so zipping away and now WS with his arena mid one did snag the shield rune
So he's not killable. Yamash actually lives here
He was a goner for sure. Burl strike very impotent as some would say
WS gets away as a result. Some are you and you. I'm sure Jenkins would agree
I was gonna say that but I was like if you've made that joke too many times
So I didn't really want to do it another time. We're on the same wavelength, cinderant
That's what going bankrupt together does to each other. Yeah, really bring out the worst in each other. It's great
Um, I think they could have killed Stunga. I think that was pretty bad layering for Mouse.
Yeah, they doubled up on Stun right away.
Stuns were way too close together. Maybe you still don't kill him, but at least you...
You're interested?
Oh, the fear that strikes the rebound!
Oh, yeah, the burrow strike from mid one turns everything around, still has the shield run activated.
Don't think they're gonna have a stun for this dark willow, but man.
Who was the ganker and who was the ganky?
True that. Look at this timing. Just look like a disaster for Malus, but again, mid one, the impotent
Pearl Strike impotent no longer.
Tracks alive.
Thank you.
Everything did die to Lornoff, and then Lornoff died to mid one.
So more immediate kills after.
Well, the golem has been used to push the tower. It was probably a part of the law-and-law kill as well. You'd imagine
Yeah, we're gonna bring the numbers. Yeah, he just got arena back mid one borough strikes into the arena
He's not afraid of this circular shape, but he's gonna get speared and focus fired
Hopping a fairy fire looks like but you won't end up dying
Rebound connection is there with the dispose.
Celery's Golem is doing work.
W.A.C.C.L.A.M.
Oh my god!
You're joking!
MVP Celery Golem.
Gary the Golem does it again as Celery might be hounded down for his transgressions.
But well worth it in the end.
That's actually such a cool support pairing.
able to rebound the golem in, dodges the spear.
It's like having a second warlock stun basically from the original.
It's like having your helm of the Dominator, right?
Yeah.
So look at this, brings him in, gets the disposed, and then WS, the spear narrowly off the mark.
So he, and then he gets shadow worded.
Oh.
Where was this mouse for the last four days?
What's going on?
It's a good question.
He's heating up.
The box stays at the shoes, but definitely isn't with Jenkins.
Boom, Chocolata getting ganked.
And dead.
He got boomed all right.
It's actually perfect timing, Cinder.
You actually know some NBA Jam references, that's crazy.
Shout out to the Dota Jam announcer, Pash.
I actually think I watched that movie too.
Is it a movie?
Yeah, the Space Jam.
Oh, Space Jam.
It's not the same as NBA Jam, but sure, we'll get out of here.
Oh, that's close enough.
Yep, the Jam in the name of WS.
Basketball in it with this spear.
Damage, very nice blocking.
Really nice blocking. The arena wasted now.
Damage too quick.
I think that was
Potentially survivable for Mars with a slightly clutcher arena, but it's very hard to place in the moment
You kind of want to place the wall between yourself and Mars you to pressure out
And then maybe you can run
Oh boy ice pack with the macro fire golem placed again. Lornaf getting pretty low has to abandon kore
I'm gonna deny the Roche, but he's not living there right now
One K lead from Malice's they will pressure this tier one with the golem and company
Gary's brother, Gary the second is alive and well.
Should be a free one.
Yep, they actually didn't finish the one bottom, so this will be their first.
One bottom is pretty low though, so just a matter of time before...
...I go a little more shadow fiend takes care of that 3K lead now for Maus.
They're on the high ground, he's gonna spawn this.
Terrorize onto two heroes with the Zip!
Nice rebound save though, but a cursed ground, potentially going to stun two, indeed it does.
Murrow's tracked just a little bit of distance from in when it's all he needs, and now he can reset with his epicenter,
but Nightfall is there to try to slow him in his tracks, taking a good amount of damage,
and Nightfall is the one to fall instead.
Ends up being a two for two, but two cores dead for Rohr, only one for Malus.
I mean, that's still an insane result for Malus.
That was a 3v5.
They're getting every trade in their favor.
turns of total number of heroes arriving in the fight during this
chrysalis was free-farming and boom was now about to take the top tower and
finish a very early pipe
okay chrysalis gonna wreck him bottom oh that was horribly timed on the whole
boy that's why they gave him the shadow piece
Aurora that is oh dear that is great that is a dead SF but what it's worth
That does need to be pretty well timed, because he needs to hit the requiem before the spear arena comes out on the TP.
But he was off by more than half a second, which is...
Just shouldn't really happen to very experienced as-of players, but...
It's a miss. Now, unfortunately, rather from Alice, they have hit a leeway here.
They can make some mistakes.
That's the reward you reap when you take a lot of good fights early.
I've been looking, so I'm still perplexed by just how much they improved from yesterday
to today.
It's a mystery sometimes with these teams, how they can suddenly level up like this.
Yeah, they're feeling it.
Yeah.
Aurora, be sweating.
Yeah, they're a bit stunted here.
I believe Aurora aren't necessarily out of the woods yet either.
If they were to lose this series, they're three and two.
Yeah, that's what they say.
They're gonna be like half the teams.
We keep talking about how this team should be slated for top two,
but that's been based on their power ranking,
not the actual guaranteed number of game time.
Yeah, for sure.
Lorna, he's gonna get stunned by the golem,
but mid one taking most of the damage here,
Nightfall trying to finish it off,
and Rebuke is there from WS.
The damage, no more saves for the cores,
instead reserved now for Celery.
So a good defense from Aurora.
They get finally a trade going their way
Need a little bit more of that to get back into the groove a
Very big difference between this game and other games we're seeing from Aurora though is how poor K.O.R.
He is on this jacquero. He's got boots thick and 15. Yes, absolutely nothing to show for himself
He must have some dead gold somewhere. What's on the courier?
Wait, he bought shard?
What?
Oh
Have you seen him do this before?
I think he usually goes like Pavis or Crimson, excuse me, Pavis or Glimmer early or Drums I suppose sometimes.
This is highly unusual. It is very good against multiple heroes. I get the idea of getting this against Bristleback and getting it against SF and to an extent Marcy,
but it does delay other timings quite significantly of defensive utility items.
That is interesting.
As at the center reserve, there's the stun lock rebound.
This falls, but Lauren...
Oh, he got popped a celery.
Oh, he undershaped the jump. He didn't commit fully.
If he keeps jumping there, might survive by bottling mid-jump.
He was staying on the screen.
Another big find for Malus.
That was the three deaths for Lauren.
This was kind of his hero of the tournament, it feels like.
I have a theory, Shannon.
After game number one Aurora said we're inviting you to the team war not
It was like finally finally I can stop finally I can try so hard
I have Kay Lee for mouse you picked Aurora to win this year. I am the ultimate person. I promise you it's unreal
It is unreal. You did not pick them or you did pick them yesterday as well and they lost
lost after they went undefeated prior to that.
Yeah.
Just something special inside you.
Imagine I could use those powers for good.
Yeah, that would be great.
I mean, it is being used for good. This is entertainment for the masses.
Fair, I guess.
Okay, he's going to be spotted here.
And we'll be taking him.
That's a 20-minute approach in.
It's time for Maus to build a solid advantage.
This is by no means bad. 4K at 20 minutes is already good.
And given the lineups, I would say they're...
I would much rather be their team, even if the gold was even.
Yeah, at this point.
I just think the way this line-up transitions into mid and early late game is extremely powerful.
Storm was the X-factor.
Hasn't really worked as well as Lorna, usually does though.
A little spear and run.
Yeah, Boom has not been involved at all this game.
One kill, one assist, sorry, one kill, one death, zero assist.
He has just been chilling and well, he's being rewarded with top net worth for the time being.
Roastrike hits before the terrorize comes out, gollum being used for Mira.
They're gonna transform to Roche?
Potentially.
Yeah, that's the Roche they go.
He's parting.
Boom, gonna lead the way. Has Hype, Vanguard, finally entering the game.
I think Aurora has...
Aurora has serious damage issues right now.
I think it's almost impossible to contest the Tormentor, if I'm honest.
They just pop Hype, they play together.
Like, who's gonna kill them?
Windranger has predominantly magic damage, actually, if she doesn't hit a good tangled,
because she's mainly dealing damage from the Elstrom.
Starmus magic, Willow's magic, Mars, insignificant physical damage.
I know that SF should be much more farm than he is, but I mean, considering his three deaths
that there is, back in the net worth, he's not bad.
He's recovered now, but the early did not look great for Crystalus, but now he's flaggering
as the hero does.
45 seconds away from Tormentor timing. We're not using most of his mana there, or half
of it rather. That's the Kaius Sange. And we saw the Nielner finished for Nightfall,
and WS has had the blink obviously for a while. Halfway to his DKB right now is at the center.
to take out Mira. Oh, he has Essentring. Not enough anyway. So no epicenter for this
Tormentor, but maybe not even needed because they have that Aegis anyway.
I don't think they can come contest them regardless. They have all Maus, all they...
Yeah, 500 away from Ags on mid-1, which is a dirty Ags. Yeah, it's one of the best.
It does so much damage. And by nature, Aurora's lineup, it's hard for them to
FF their heroes that well because they kind of need to combo in the arena
So somebody is going to come close to Mars maybe even two of the heroes
And we've seen the work that Malorina has been able to do in some of Falcons games on that hero
so far mid one
7 3 and 7 had a great game
And there's that tormentor so warlock will get the shard not ideal. I think maybe
maybe... maybe you would have wanted the Marci one higher. I'm not sure. They're both not
that great this game, I think.
Oh, there's a good one!
Yeah, they get the spear onto the Marci. Macro Pires there from K.O.R.I. though, for
us right.
But they don't have damage.
Yeah, and now the Mar is left all alone. They're not, like, fully committing to these fights,
it feels.
I think... this is the problem is that they see a moment of opportunity and they kind
of want to go, and then the moment the pipe comes out, they're just like, they can't do
this. They actually can't kill them.
I think you have to play complete keep away.
The panel was talking about this,
that you should just be playing the map
and try to reach key timings and out scale effectively.
But that's not really how a roar is played.
So, I think it feels a little bit unnatural to them.
Mid one now, officially with the Ags.
See what this next epicenter looks like.
You can see the Dark Willows, so this should be yet another easy kill.
Crystal is there to get some XP.
As a Shadowblade, now this seems to be the Cookie Cutter build for SF.
Yep, Silver Age has really picked up steam in this tournament.
It's great against Windranger if you hit the attack, she can't run away.
True.
You're so slow in the Windrun.
It's good against Mars for the break.
Are those effects dispellable? I can't remember.
Which ones?
Silver edge break slash the slow. I assume they are?
I don't remember though, because a lot of breaks are not dispellable.
That's an item, so it should be.
They are.
Yeah, okay.
I'm on the high ground already. It was 22 minutes in. The SF is the one that has the Aegis.
Mackerel Pyre. Okay, there's the epicenter usage. Terrorized it's three heroes though.
Good disengage from Aurora and epicenter effectively wasted.
Crystal is still pounding on the tower all the while.
It looks like Nightfall is just cutting creeps in the meantime.
So, a successful defense with 50 seconds on the ages.
Hurricane Pike next on the menu for nightfall.
Yeah, I was curious to see how they're going to itemize on the Windranger and the Storm,
because part of you wants to buy BKB against the Sand King and against the Marci Stuns and
all the magic damage of SF if he wants to requiem, but the problem is you have damage
issues so you probably have to fight damage on both storm and windrangers to make this interesting
currently lauren off closing in on ashiva's guard to minimize damage further back in running out of
time it seems yeah these towers these buildings falling fast you just give this up at this point
i don't think they have a chance i think they could just go next lane they just they just is gone
you're right ages down maybe opens the door a little bit but just let boom do this who's going to
to kill him this is exactly what you want to do you can see spread across the
map are Aurora so they are certainly giving us up in the marshal for this
what happens if they go for two I don't think they're going to but hey I I'm
just struggling to see how bristleback dies if they go on him they have to
commit absolutely everything they can call them to protect him solar glimmer
pipe crimson. I don't know. Lorna pretty close to Shiva's. This is effectively working the
way that we've seen Team Liquid for example and also today Tondra utilized Centaur. Just
put this brick in the off lane that's hard to kill, leave him there for 20 minutes, simmer
at 200 Celsius. That's a pretty high simmer temperature actually. You can't correct me
that because you don't know the number disintegrated syndrome yeah well 200
Celsius is what you bake stuff at not what you this is
and then you've got her just bring him in
you're cocked oh yeah you've seen this hero nice try but not have he can cast it
once he revives it's okay Lauren off is gonna kill a courier
It seems like the best thing that's happened to Aurora in the last 15 minutes.
Airball from Boom, attempted TP, but the Golem reserved for the Jackie.
All this minus armor from Bristol Fax, goo, with SF, is disgusting damage.
It's only gonna get worse, Crystal is...
Silver Edge, on the way.
You'd imagine, very very soon, how far is he away? Ah, he has it.
Yeah, the...
I think his courier might have died.
Oh, that was the courier, Stormkilled, that's why.
Okay.
Well, boom seven thousand, sounds like some sort of model robot, model of a robot, he is going to work.
Next chat, GPT, when it takes over the world, boom seven thousand, already the tower at half HP celery and his golem.
Aurora have to wrap around, you can't go on this hero, you have to kill his team first.
There's the fortification though, WS.
This has to go off Aurora, the game might genuinely end here.
They're trying to block, yeah?
They block them out, and it's fine enough.
It links away just in case.
Surprisingly, Maus are actually doing this
without having the ward to the left
on the high ground.
Usually, you place this exact ward
when you try to siege mid against that problem
when you have a frontline tank, like Bristol, but
they just feel either they didn't have the ward
or they're just confident that they don't even need it,
as long as they have good formation.
The ammage with the BKB, so support Marci
or the getting farm now, too.
So the question is, do you just wait for Roche, because it could be spawning soon.
Do you take the risk here if you're mouse, because if you lose this fight, then Aurora
suddenly could potentially get the Roche.
But how do you lose this fight is the question, okay?
All we're going to see right here, steer into the barracks, shackle the follow, boom, it's
very healthy, gets rebounded right on top of the Mars, he pops the BKB, focused by a
reserve for Yamash in his BKB, he will drop.
This boom is going to avoid the spear now.
They are still tickling this bristle back.
This mouse looked to be potentially disengaging.
They still have the epicenter though.
They want to try to counter initiate.
They had one thinking about it.
No, there's no way.
There's no way they can.
Shadowworks continue to be spammed on boom.
So that was obviously not ideal.
I think that was a pretty bad rebound to be honest from the image.
Not because he casted it, but the angle.
You want to pull him out toward your team so Sand King can help
instead of pulling him to the left.
It's not the biggest price to pay. Use your PKB. It could have been worse, but at least it's something for Aurora. They get to defend that time.
Now, Roche in 50 seconds.
Aurora has to contest this. This feels like it's about to slip away for them. Yeah, I don't think you can give this one up.
They were able to exploit the fact that there was no golem because that was youth fun to cure on the previous hill, but they have it now
Yeah, it's not from Aurora. I don't know that
Okay, well it's got a quite yet Ziffin onto Celery gets rebounded down now
Crystallis though the golem to try to save his life going for the requiem. It does go off. No, he dies
That was the death requiem huge kill for Aurora
Epistanner though from mid one and now the buyback from Crystallis focus on tonight fall gets disposed into
So, despite losing their SPF and forcing him to buy back, Mouse are fine with this exchange
as long as they can get Roche, which will come up in one.
Just check the pit.
There it is.
Yeah, Mitch, we'll see it, and everybody turns tail immediately.
And yeah, you spend the buy back, but you're getting an A. This is high ground territory
once again.
And this is with the banner, making it that much easier for masks to get their second
set.
So this looks like a pretty good initiation because they managed to chain lock down Estab.
He probably lives there with bristles there with the pipe crimson earlier, but actually
they did get both on him, so maybe not.
But they have to use everything on him.
And that was the bedlam that did all that damage it looked like.
It's just so easy to pull that through afterwards.
I feel stuck in the soup.
Lost in the sauce, you might say, against Warlock.
And now it feels like the only thing in the way of Maus winning the series in a major upset
is themselves.
They play this cleanly.
Oh, that's great timing on that.
You're very welcome.
I'm happy to...
You're here all night, which won't be for long at this rate.
Where do you want me to miss the spell next?
I'll call it for you. I'll do it.
Uh, I want Lornaff.
All right, let's miss a zip somehow.
I don't know if that's possible, but...
Well...
Didn't miss the spell.
Well, I didn't say it, so...
That's true.
Boom.
Can he die?
Focus fire on him, terrorize the fall, right in front of his face with a revue,
but the requiem from below...
WS!
Ooh, the arena just in time!
That saves his life, but now you don't have arena for this potential high ground and boom is going to recover fully
He has so much region and warlock. So he'll be back up in no time
So you traded you trade you traded requiem for BKB arena
I think that's pretty good for you as mouse. This is a guaranteed tormentor for you now
this is gonna go to either Marcy or
The SF or sorry the San King rather. Yeah, that's a good one, too
Yeah, they would rather have this one, I think, than the Marci one.
So more epicenter damage, and epicenter when you move.
Oh, and I fall.
This would be a huge hit.
All epicenter full combo with Crystal is there to get the break.
He can't move because of the Silver Edge.
That's a minute down and out.
That should be second lane, if not more.
one wanted to be sure they got that Billy Bump the BKB for it. That important
on taking any risks on the nightfall takedown. 50 seconds 5v4 with Aegis.
Boom front lining still has all his auras ready to go and he's packing a punch.
Banner used. That's gonna keep this siege alive so no backdoor protection. Well
Pibak is available now for nightfall. He got it while he was dead. The tower's
still gonna fall, Lornoff. Focused right now onto Yamich. Gets glimmered though, and Lornoff
kind of running out of steam. Not a whole lot of mana left to work with. Boom. Virtually untouched
as Crystal is basically two shots Kaori. And this is going to be a second lane with no tower
available in mid. Bibeck out of the jikiro, there's the burrow strike, though into the rebound!
That is a dead Lornoff! Has his Bibeck as well, but if you keep expending these, you're not going
gonna have anything left. You will have to. Big zip with the Sheeva's. Requiem from
Chryslis. Just barely clips the Storm Spirit as there's the Marzarin. The last
bitch effort focusing now onto the SF. He has the Aegis though, remember, as
Priscilla back more than healthy, chasing Kaori, but gets feared away. Second set
already in favor of Maus. They can go for the mid lane. If they just win this fight,
they'll just win the game outright. Down goes WS. Has the buyback though.
Nightfall eventually was taken out, does have to buy back too. This is going to be likely their last buyback to work with, as Christmas is their only major kill.
And now Boomin' Company can't go for the killing blow on these mega-creeds. 19k lead from Maus.
Came in as huge to quote the Brutal Strike. Not enough for Lorna, BKB picked up by the SF as he's not going to be buying back here, it seems.
And this fight might be over. Aurora gets the killing blow.
Florn off though. Has to try and zip away.
Extremely low on resources. Mid one still has an epic center.
He's gonna use it onto Nightfall. Has to pop his BKBs.
He tries to run away. Now Mid one gonna get reviewed.
Gonna get speared and finally Aurora are technically defending.
The costs were very heavy though.
Triple kill for Nightfall.
as mouse gonna have to sit and wait try again in just a bit yeah that could
have been cleaner from them but getting that racks and getting all these key
buybacks is still a huge overall win how many buybacks was that wind I think the
warm like Mars and willow and you okay they got all five five buybacks and
And Alayna Barracks. The tier 3 tower in mid is gone.
Yeah, so one more teamfight for Mouse. As long as they can kill a couple then you're
going to be at the major event. Although they don't really have buybacks either right now.
Rome wants to defend this tower. He'll be successful. He just walks up with Crimson. He's about
to finish heart oh boy I don't know if that was necessary to buy here to be honest what would
you get here I'm just thinking you could buy something either more offensive like a hex just
to kill storm or wind ranger you can just threaten because I feel like you're just invincible regardless
so do you need more tank ability right now versus some game ending sitting you get she was tell that
to ace is two hearts today I know I mean I'm not saying it's bad it's just in this game state it's
It's easier also, we have all the information available, right, but I personally think Sheeva
and on Bristol here would actually have been a cool pick up, but this is still more once
more.
Oh, forcing two DKBs here, Aurora.
Okay.
That was unexpected.
The thing is, maybe with this heart, you can just let Bristol get Megas.
Yeah, maybe you don't save him this time with Marcy, because Windranger's still, she has
Revenant's brooch, so not the big crit that you're hoping for.
I think Bristle maybe can survive everything if he stands in front and they drop a Golem.
Interesting, that's all they need.
Mid one is going for a Basher.
Yep, that's good on Axe.
Atoes, Basher.
I thought he'd go for the Glyph.
Get the X-ray.
Yeah, well you have Atoes, you would maybe think so, but it's pretty standard on Sandking
core to go basher because how well it synergizes with the stinger with stinger at the center
yeah it's a lot of fun that's cool good chance i was gonna say celery must feel right at home
why are you showing that well potentially longest game in coming all right only 40 minutes away guys
some aurora fans in the production room saying don't worry guys well apparently they'll get to late
game now it's gonna say this is celery probably after game one said let's just
play more like gaming gladiators yeah potentially they find boom but he's
invincible I say that WS gets a nice double spear onto to mid one though this
is a lot of damage mechanic offering as well as Lornav has to zip away which is
a little bit of HP two supports dead already for miles and only the cost of
one but now they outnumbered WS as he gets chunked down by boom not only
tanky, but he hits like a truck.
And in order for Aurora to take these kills, they have to expend so many resources.
Even though I think one or two of their heroes got healed by the Mars passive and victory piece, not enough.
They got two siege units here as well. Boom. Looking to get Magus.
Only three members. I mean it's three versus three, but it's three cores versus two.
two. The side step that ice path nightfall. Looking for a shackle not finding it. Fortification.
Likely the final one of the game. How can they hold on here? The zip with the Sheevas.
Priscilla's was the intended target but mid one gets the borough strike. Now the focus
fire onto boom still. Focusing the barracks with the golem and they will play Vegas.
Oh my god I'm sorry it's just funny to watch Windranger use everything and Priscilla just
turns his side. If he was playing Ursa it would be a different story I think but
win or not so much.
It will be responding in about 10 seconds at peace. Let's see if Aurora can find a
kill here mid once. Stunlocked for the time being. Use the A-toast. The storm will
get forced away to safety. We're back to a 5 versus 5 and this is probably where
mouse just wait for the next rush which is in 40 seconds yep mega creeps are
gonna do most of the work for you at this point yeah you get this ages you
put it on this afternoon call it a get a good night's sleep for tomorrow you've
leveled up so much as a team today that hope dies last
boom popping the smoke we're not looking for a an easier literally anyone
but Bristol, please, someone show.
The LES.
They're just saying, look at him,
playing on the other side of them.
No big deal.
Maybe the hard, just one hard places.
Maybe he needed it to reach this critical mass where they can't even look at him.
They have to come defend, and now Lotus was another one.
Now's half the high ground advantage.
Uh-oh.
They're going to use it for Ostracano WS, forcing the BKB.
Lornoff, who's he gonna try to go for? Boom? Not the target. Goes to the other side looking for the shadow feed. A nice double spear. Again, Chrysalis is dead.
80 seconds, no buyback. Yamage!
Using that ultimate, he's just getting kited by Lornoff. That's gonna be the second kill for Aurora here.
Epicenter from mid-1, it's enough to get one support. That's not enough for mouse, surely.
Little bit sloppy.
The creeps are doing work though.
One tier four down already, the second at half.
Yeah, you can retreat here and wait for Roche.
This was a fight that, effectively, you kind of chose to take.
It's gonna be a bit slower without the SF.
Yeah, for sure.
The question is, can't Aurora do anything?
I mean, they do have storms in here.
It's not Aurora here, right?
I don't know.
Like, are you, are you willingly doing this 43?
It's somewhat risky.
at a risky.
You can see Lorna up on his way.
The Bristol can't die, right?
Yeah, but Storm can claim the goodies.
They're going to hesitate.
And now it's going to move.
They did half the work.
I mean, I think it's still the right play.
You wait for Shadowfiend here, Shirley.
I mean, who's picking the Aegis up if it's not Shadowfiend?
Yeah, that might have been what they talked about.
We don't want it on anyone else.
Well, they've done half of the work until he's going to cross the map, and then they'll
finish him off down at bottom pit.
What do we got coming up on Bristle? He's going for a Baster next. So finally an offensive
item, I guess. I was curious to see if he would buy Lotus Last for the full package.
Offensive.
Since it's another Vanguard.
Yeah, I suppose. It's not really the best value, though. But it's the same logic as
what I was looking for in the Hex. I just personally think the Hex is better than the
This will here as well just I'm surprised there's no I mean it's not like a crazy good cheapest game for them
But still it's a good item. Yeah, throw Yamash out there. Yeah, make it to Russia's pissed
I would be too my pants my rules if it that's all of Lauren of Manna. Yeah, he has to
Try to get some resources back now. I can see that Roche is not really that low and of course mouse
It's just kind of wait as the creeps start pushing in
But they do have ways to scout with that power shot.
They got Shakira, WS with the spear.
Roche is not low enough yet, though.
Chrysdallist gets off the requiem,
not going for the agents.
It's snatched by Chrysdallist,
and there's the epicenter combination.
Roche's banner apparently on the floor,
very important as Mars Arena comes up,
and that's the death of WS.
By that was used for the Marseys.
Everybody else for Aurora is gonna get out somehow,
but without Mars Arena,
Yeah, their base is in shambles. No more towers to speak of.
And this is where mouse go for the finishing blow.
I need to kill these creeps.
As far as these creeps, getting the ancient...
Yeah, well, no.
You know, I got to kill them, actually.
That's a lot of speech.
Okay.
Five before, though. Mouse just need to look at them.
Crystal on the way. Slowly but surely. Mega creeps continuing.
Shackle not gonna hit. First round does.
Christmas, they can't just play this as slow as they want.
No Mars for 30 seconds as Boom, tapping the Ancient, daring them to attack him.
Yamich gets off to dispose, K-O is dead.
Buys back over the bigger spawn onto the Storm Spirit.
Lorin off Dunzo, does have the buyback.
Fortification is activated here as Boom is continuing to hit the Ancient.
Big Focus Fire though onto the same King.
Mid one somehow dies without buyback.
But boom with the BKB, watch the finish this game right here, right now, and he'll get it!
Mouse 2-1 Aurora out of nowhere after being winless!
This is incredible.
And such a dominant fashion too.
Still...
Oh, that's...
Yeah, it's just done, man.
Fuck this headset. Hell yeah.
Wow, that's crazy. I can't believe I'm...
I'm gonna say this. Mouse outclassed them.
Like, this game wasn't even really close.
Very clever drafting. I love the way they set up the lanes. The early movements of Aurora Mouth responded to them, and you're exactly what they needed to do.
And, yeah, at the end of it, Aurora just... they run into damage issues way too early in this game.
Maybe that's a bit of a draft issue when you pick like this. It's hard to say, really, if that was the main problem.
Physical other things go right in the first 15 minutes. Maybe you don't run into the same wall, yada yada.
But effectively, Boom just got to free farm for 15 minutes top and shows up with big items that just make it really hard for Oro to penetrate the monster fences.
Kind of fascinating and a rare sight for a team to level up like this out of nowhere.
I don't feel like Aurora were playing badly per se either.
This was way more, you could say maybe Aurora did a little bit worse than they have.
It's impressive for Miles, it's impressive for Jank. He's got a point on the board as
he predicted. He knew all along of course, but I do want to break down this game because
There was a lot to break down.
We did initially already, Brian, like Mouse's drafts,
but we started off good already.
I feel like I've predicted every Mouse theory's wrong.
Like, I had more faith in this team going into group stage two,
and then I did absolutely lose it by yesterday, I think.
And no, they put on a show for this one.
Like, my pre-series segment was basically them overextending
and taking bad fights.
And I think they just set themselves up for success
in the draft.
They set themselves up for success with their execution.
a lot of cool moves early to get off to their lead.
They had a pretty straight forward like
timing with the Bristleback or items
and the SF hitting into Blink's thinking aggs.
Yeah, just overall, really well played by them.
And you know, jokes on you, you gave Crystal
his Beastmaster and SF and he beats you
with his bronze tier heroes, actual bronze tier heroes.
But he does not have the door to pull.
A lot of saying is these are actual bronze tier heroes.
Like he has this Grandmaster tier heroes.
Maybe Silver, maybe Silver.
Maybe Silver.
It's scarier as Bronze though, than it is on Silver.
He showed the haters as far as they're concerned.
He did.
But that was just genuinely a really good game.
It was fun to watch, or try to hold on there.
They were on Mega Creeps for a while there.
They had some moments where they were winning fights.
That was surprising, so, I don't know.
It's such a great way to end the day, I think.
This team looks really good when Boom is on Bristleback, I've noticed.
They, you can tell that he just gets when he's totally unkillable and I don't know if he's like communicating this to his team or if they're just also really good at playing around Bristol, but you can tell that they also all know, you know, it's like that mid-feege where they tried to wrap around on Aurora, but like Maus was just not having it.
He was literally always slightly edging towards where the Aurora heroes had to come from.
You already knew it, production already knew it as well.
The last puzzle that we had to solve was the one that consisted of three different mouse logos.
They're hearts. Would you like a heart?
The mouse logo was the heart.
Was that intentional actually?
You have my heart.
Like the mouse logos?
You have my heart.
I don't think it was intentional.
They do look like mouths.
That is incredible.
Yeah, I'm gonna talk to them.
I'm gonna have my heart back.
Oh, I'm not gonna talk to them.
We're gonna talk to Celery.
Hey Celery, how are you doing?
Hello.
Yeah, a bit tired.
But it is a little bit late, it's all good.
What was that? What was that series?
Because you guys have obviously struggled a little bit
and then you go up against one of the tougher teams in the group
and you're like, pull back here.
You know, the way you say it anyway.
Yeah, I mean we had a lot of games that we could have won
and a lot of games that we didn't win.
I'm sure it was nice, there were wins of games that we could.
So, yeah, we're happy.
That's it. How did you because how did you prepare for the series because you saw Aurora probably yesterday against liquid?
They lost that series too. So maybe did you feel like liquid, you know expose some weaknesses that you guys could use against them as well?
I'm not sure I don't watch any games. So I'm just
just playing
So what was it?
differently, I think we're doing
It looks like we're doing ultra depth because we're losing every single game, every series.
But we're not getting stomped in these games.
Games are in even state and then we make a lot of little mistakes on everyone that we lose.
That just happens a lot.
So if we don't do these mistakes, we're actually doing okay.
How are you trying to work on that, to improve on that?
Because that sounds like a very difficult thing to improve on.
If you're saying like it's a lot of tiny little different things,
then how do you practice that? Just more games?
Yeah, that sounds hard, but it's easier than when you're just getting stomped,
because then you're in more trouble.
So it's...
You don't actually have to fix that many things, but it's a few small things.
Let's say we're losing games because everyone is making four small mistakes at the wrong time.
So if everyone just does these few small things better, then every game feels easier.
It's also just a mental battle when you lose. Definitely games in a row.
Yeah, I can imagine that's quite...
It was very nice to win, finally.
Yeah, I can imagine that's quite draining.
After the win, of course, you knew probably that this series in particular...
You know, if you lose one more series, you're eliminated from being able to move on to the next group stage.
Is that something like extra pressure that you guys have on the back of your mind?
I mean, then you don't have to play as much, so then you get more break, so that's also okay.
No, you can only win, actually. There's no losing.
That is a very optimistic way of looking at it, Celery. I appreciate that.
I also, Brian, I'd love to ask some questions.
Yeah, hey Celery, we've been seeing some funny interactions this tournament,
especially with Warlock Golem, and we saw earlier,
at least for me, the first time ever of seeing a disruptor
glimpse the Golem back to the middle of the map.
Was this something that you, as a Warlock specialist, were aware of?
It's not a title I like to hear.
I mean, I didn't know about this. I do remember at some point where if you would instantly
select a Golem, it would show on the midway. This is a long time ago. So I guess it makes
sense. It just spawns in the middle of the map, but I've never seen it.
Yeah, I know you're actually an Enchanter. Sorry for calling you a Warlock Specialist.
I moreso myself view you as an Enchanter Specialist. But my other question was, when
you picked the Marci Warlock Duo and he like picked up the Golem to die of the Tier 1 Tower,
Are these combos you guys have like planned ahead of time or is that something like he's
calling for like send the golem in or how does that exactly work in your team comps?
Yeah, everything is planned.
No, I mean, it's a bit random.
In the team fights, I think when you're more on the same page, you don't have to call
too much.
You have to call a few specific ways of how you want to fight.
You don't need to call too many spells.
The main thing you want to hear in the fight is which hero SK wants to stun.
Whereas he wants to position, you don't need to call too much more than that.
You're not going to call every single spell.
So if he throws the Golem in, he'll say it.
If he wants me to run somewhere so he can throw it, he'll say it.
It's very intuitive.
When you're talking about the hero that Sankeen wants to stun,
is that something that changes a lot throughout the course of the game?
I mean, let's just use that last game as an example.
Is where the target's consistently changing and if so why?
Yeah, I'm interviewing the wrong guy. I guess for that I'm
I don't know. He just says who he stands and then
My as if it's him. I'm just watching. I'm a spectator
Spectator mode trying to stay alive
The SK is it was funny actually at one second left and we I had storm marked and then our coach said fuck it
Just go SK if we lose draft sex
So, I guess the draft was good.
Did you guys just feel like you needed an initiator?
Is that why you were choosing between those two heroes?
I don't know of anyone besides the coach, Fodderpupsenking,
and told the last few seconds and he said, ah, fuck it.
So, I mean, we definitely needed some stun, right?
That's why it's a scarce term.
It was funny.
I don't know if mid one was practicing as good.
No, he did.
Yeah, sometimes you just gotta have the fucking mentality
and you pick your game off one of the better teams.
Awesome, man. Congratulations.
Thank you.
Yeah, I know it's a very late tellery, so we're going to let you go.
Congratulations once again on a fantastic series.
We begin tomorrow for Liquid's series against you guys.
That's an easy one.
Easy one. There you go. That's the way I like to hear it. Have a good night.
Yes, good night.
And easy one. Team Liquid, they are the only on the FIDA team left,
so Miles has saved the best for last.
Last? Is that my last?
Yeah, second to last.
Second to last.
The days are plastic. We take a look at the standings, Maus. They keep their dreams and hopes alive, although as Celery says, it's win-win, you know, either you get time off or you advance to the group stages.
Maus did take the win here today against Aurora, making Aurora drop down a slot and also keeping themselves, as said, still alive there.
And to be honest with two more days to go there is still the chance because this series also makes me wonder
Did Aurora get broken yesterday I
Did think that like halfway through game three I forgot about it until just now
But I do feel like their confidence was a bit shaken
We did consider maybe the stand-in honeymoon phase and I that there's indications
Hmm. All right. Now it's broken. Yeah, well, what if they're not broken? What if they just got?
They just got identified, you know, they got figured out a little bit people a little bit
Well, look what when you beat a team one team or when one team needs a team once you can say, okay
What heroes are they ban against them? That's like the most obvious way. Okay. They ban them
They pick these heroes. They pick this in response
You start duplicating some of these these things and then you can use that against them
You might not fully understand why it works, but it gives you like a little piece
You know other teams are also figuring out Aurora. So now that they've been beat twice
Further teams continues info and I feel like mouse is also on an upswing like I kind of agree with what celery said
Of course, I agree with what he said that like the games that they lost
Were theirs to lose, you know, like they felt like they had some games that were very close
And then they would make like really silly plays like the stuff that you showed Brian where they're just over chasing and it's like of course
professional tier one players know when they overchase up a hill and feed a
core or something like that if this is a super fixable mistake so today they're
just a little bit more disciplined a little bit better about it maybe tomorrow
they're even better and who knows they can end up in a tiebreaker and it's easy
to say like just don't make these mistakes and sometimes like it's kind of
like with a logical puzzle that it just clicks the pieces just fall into place
But like yesterday all their mistakes that they were making as well the games were perfectly even 20 minutes in and they just kind of did a
Little bit of a clumsy
overextension and so if you're getting like I think often times
It's hardest to get through the first 20 minutes like for teams like if you're trying to beat the top tier teams
So Maus has had no problem doing that and I agree with what celery said during the interview
Well, there's of course one person believed in miles all
look at the predictions and who predicted what for today as
As Jenkins, I know you you were you were a believer
You know, I just spent a lot of time watching the replays and I saw all of this stuff that Brian's actually sent him those clips
Yeah, that they just over chased a few times made a couple of mistakes
But this is by far the best team in the tournament as predicted
So good for them. I expect them to win out from here on out and make it to those grand finals. Yeah
There you go. This is
I think that's also gonna be last time but this is the results of just today as
We can see who had a good day who had a bad day to be honest
This was the day where I thought we were a majority of people were gonna have four
And zero people got four zero people got four
Because Miles definitely had an upset, but the previous three series we had, the results
were the way we were expecting.
But I do want to say that the first two series we had today were very, very even.
They were really close.
Wow.
Avery's fallen off.
He was number one like three days ago.
Yeah.
He goes fast.
Ted and Cap go strong.
I guess he goes for the base takes sometimes.
He does.
He went for the tokens too.
Sometimes we're matching on our predictions and I'm like, oh, I know about that, Avery.
You know I respect it. I really I respect my that has base taste Brian. I respect that as well
I mean, he's not as good at loss maxing as you are Jenkins, but no only
I'm sorry, I was just right there. You would you respect it if you're you know, you know
But I will still say it's me
That's all good though points are on the line. You say you know, so are you saying you know if you if we win?
obviously is good and if we lose we get more free time. Guess what? If you lose
you also get less points and it's all about the points. These are the points
to be getting out of the season obviously. We have four stops in total.
There's a stop number two. The most important stop is Birmingham. The mouse
will be there so maybe he's already got that in mind that he'll be fine. With that
we take a look where we see mouse on the leaderboards as well. So they did manage
to get some points out of previous season as well. They came not very high
but they are right now safe because top 12 makes it to Riyadh for these for four
cup based on points and that is excluding Team Spirit who will make it
regardless so potentially 13th place gets lucky there as well so mouse for now
doing good and of course knowing that they do have Birmingham on the horizon
they can still even if they would get eliminated enjoy their time off so they
Yeah, I think that's I mean this result is very nice for them. Honestly, I feel like they have high expectations of themselves and I feel like in the last few days
They've been trying to find themselves and correct some of those mistakes that there's always some errors that like top teams make and they eventually fix it right so they just need to fix it quick enough that they can keep earning points and then eventually make it to
it to the EWC. It's about the whole season, the whole trajectory. So it's nice to see them on
an uptrend now. It's nice to see them finally get a point. It's nice to see Morning Crew finally
get a point. We did solve all the puzzles, apart from that one that we got stuck on, but because
we got stuck on the second puzzle, the rest of the puzzles we solved doesn't matter. It matters for
our egos, I guess. We're still happy and proud that we solved the puzzles, so that's nice. And the
only one we didn't solve was the stupid puzzle, because that's what happens when something doesn't
and go your way it's stupid so it's not on us badly designed hero and these and
these are not edible they're not edible this looks edible does not look at a ball
and if you swallow it don't swallow it it's gonna be very dangerous which is
bullshit because it looks pasty doesn't it no it does not look there's not right
here I'll try it yeah I don't know that goodness that missed all the way before
Yeah, high five for Ola, it's too low.
I'll eat it next time.
Yeah, too bad.
Thank you so much for tuning in today.
It was a fun day of Dota 2.
I think this day turned out a lot more competitive
than a lot of people were expecting myself included
and I'm pleasantly surprised by that
and I'm hoping that tomorrow we have
another one of those days when we get
a top tier Dota unexpected victories,
but we'll have to wait and see.
One night's rest and we'll get another day tomorrow.
11 a.m. for the pre-show, 11.30
30 for the first series thunder out versus bet boom. I'll see you right nearly
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You hold the eye future in your hands
I hope we make it longer than a day
I can't help showing my emotions
I gotta be a little more discreet
If you feel a fraction of affection
Then come and sweep me off with more feet
We could just go with all this confusion
If we could sort it out
Get through the situation
No more hesitation
Focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who you are
And this apology is gonna get you far
Cause I know that you know
That we're in love
But we're in love
I don't believe it when you tell me
But you think everything's gonna fine
You sure got a funny way of showing
So this is where I draw the line
If we could just hold all this confusion
If we could sort it out
If we could fool this situation
No more hesitation
Don't say sorry for who you are
And yes, apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love
We're in love
Don't say sorry for who we are There are no apologies when we get too far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love
Don't say sorry for who you are
And those apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love
That we're in love
I
That's the pump.
Stay zone, I'm deep in my zone.
Spread love, you'll be making it known.
I'm really feeling that we go together.
This is all good times, yeah, now, forever.
In the booth, we're in the club.
Wherever I go, I turn the music up.
Whatever the day, I make waves,
make dreams, make moves, make love.
Step to the left, yeah, move for the flow.
The time's full, you'll be letting it show.
Hands to the sky, yeah, I feel it so free.
Love in the air, yeah, I'm right below underneath.
Yeah, I'm right where I want to be
Yeah, I'm right where I want to be
Yeah, I'm right where I want to be
Yeah, I'm right where I want to be
Cool breeze, I feel real nice
Star shine, you'll be late up the night
Good vibes, and I'm running late ice
And I'm cool like ice, ice
Baby, when you look at, look at me
It's a magic, what you see
It's the love of this fantasy
Am I dreaming?
Step to the left, yeah, move from the flow
To the time score, you'll be letting it show
Hands to the sky, yeah, feeling so free
Love in the air, yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
yes yes yes right where I want to be
yo let's get it
let's go let's go
let's go let's go
Turn it up tonight
We be high tonight
We be high tonight
Turn it up tonight
Turn it up tonight
We be high tonight
We be high tonight
Hi, nice to meet you
Are you ready for the back-gall see?
When the beat's this tough
I turn a little rough
This is not a test, it's a re-vroom
So, turn it up some some
Bassline kicking with the lead
With the disco string rock, oh, oh, yo, we must have too much fun like
Turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
We be hyped tonight, we be hyped tonight
Turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
We be hyped tonight, we be hyped tonight
Like hi, nice to see you, when the song comes up, yeah, I feel you
We've been dancing all night, dropping that vibe, tipped up into the sequel
So, turn it up some-some, baseline kicking with the beat and the drum
Blackout pigeon jam with the disco string runner
Ooh, yo we've got to have too much fun
Kiss Bust Bugs on the lift, yo we at my team we incredible
Kiss Bust Bugs on the lift, yo we at my team, yo we special
So let's go, let's go, let's start the show
Tonight, tonight, tonight's the night, uh, tonight's the night
Turn it up, who's bad, we bad, who's mad, we mad?
Who's bad?
Turn it up, who's bad, we bad, who's mad, we mad?
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, we be high tonight
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, yeah we be high tonight
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, yeah we be high tonight
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, yeah we be high tonight
Who's badly bad?
Who's badly bad?
Turn me up!
Who's badly bad?
Who's badly bad?
No one can do
I just got a feeling All that you do
No one can move Like no one can move
I just got a feeling All that you do
No one can move Like you
From the A to the Z you do it
And the crop to the N you do it
No one can ask for more
Ain't nobody thirsty that bad
From the A to the Z you do it
And the crop to the N you do it
No one can ask for more
Nobody does it better
If you want what you need and what's more
What do you need to do and say?
We have to be in the fist what you say
And you show you
How I do
I'm thinking of
Just how you do
How I want you to do
You know I can't like you like you do
Just how you do
What can't you do
I can't like you like you do
Just how you like a girl
Just how you want it
Okay, get drifted to
Warming city
I'm rebelling crafty
Shipping and finding my way
Right in the guy
Driving to my beach
So how you find his friends?
Why money don't count?
Just me, get just for you
Cause you're special
The woman she meets you
I was too good for you
Just me, get just for you
Cause no one's gonna get her
What's to say?
No one can do
Just how you do
All that you do
Now I won't give up
I don't want you
Just how you do, don't let you do
I want you to know that I love you
Ain't to the sea you do it
The time to the end you do it
Look at that's more
Ain't nobody does it better
Ain't to the sea you do it
The time to the end you do it
Look at that's more
Ain't nobody does it better
Let's take it, do it, and the problem at the end, get to it
And we connect, nobody can see the better
Yo, am I connected?
All right, let's go, one, two, three
Let's get connected, you and me
Let's get connected, that's what we need
Let's get connected, and we can do this thing together
Let's get connected to any fire
They lay deeper down inside
Let's get connected, and we can make the whole world better
Come on, come on
Nothing gonna stop us from giving you and everybody
This is what they're gonna want the future to buy
Everybody got to get together and do this right
One, two, one, two, three!
Let's get connected, let's get connected
Let's get connected, I can feel it getting closer