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Get ready for it, get givin'
You've never seen a one with this game
I've been swackin' days, so watchin'
Learn how to show the confidence
Everybody ran, she classed the nine
I'm all on the beat, yeah
All you ladies got to just recognize
What we do, do we get the win?
That's all we do
We slip in it, we slip in it
We got that style, we slug it
Don't know what we do, we got that style
Walking in the club, a lot of zemmyships
That's stuff, you want the latest trends
That's stuff from Hitler, that's stuff
That you gotta see
That's how, that's how we're doing it
We're all in these circles
That's how, that's how we're doing it
We're all in these boxes
That's how we do
That's how we do
Now, the way we move it
Remember, all the Tesla will be put either way
This time to show our skills, throw all your genders
You can't hurt your neck, stop staring
Get ready for it, you get it
You never see the one we're busy in
Reflect the day, so watchin' and finish
Shout a knock, yeah
Everybody raise your glass tonight
Come on on the beat, yeah
All your letters down, let's recognize
That's how we do
That's how we do
That's how we do
The winning, the winning
That's how we do
We're sippin' it, we're sippin' it
We've got the stars
It's not gonna let me do it
We've got that stuff
We've got to let it go
I'm not gonna say we're that stuff
We've got to let this things
We've got stuff we can't do it
We've got that stuff
We've got to let this things
That's how we do
That's how we do
Now that we're done with it
We're falling, we're silent
We're gonna work it down, we're gonna win this
We're part of the way through it
All the rest of the time, they waited for me
But that's the way that I am, without you, my love
But the fate won't let me down, I'll make it my own, too
I'm a boy
But it feels so right
Feels too deep
I'm a boy
I'm a little bit
Changer
I'm so like
Changer
I'm a girl
Changer
I'm waiting for
Wait tonight
Baby, baby, I have to go
Baby, baby, I have to go
They say it's so hard to find
It's so much better
The world keeps spinning around
With or without us
My love
What do we need now
I'm waiting
I want to
Go
Go with this
The right one is to reach you
Oh
One more chance
Don't wanna deal with this day
No one ever helps
Give it one more try
Don't wanna say goodbye
Once we were both so happy
Just hanging out
There was no doubt
Why did we take for granted
All that was good, I wish we could
Find what we had and bring it back on track
Let's give it one more try
Don't wanna give it one more try
Let's give it one more try
Don't wanna say goodbye
I know we both had moments, we're both the same
No one's to blame, no
I'm sure that you agree, it's not over yet
Let's not forget, no
Most of us are good, not the ones of cameras
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Don't wanna give this to me
One more try, just one more try
One more try
A love like we once had just can't be denied
If we both feel this way then
Come on
I don't want to sing a cry
Watch me dance, dance.
Feel the style.
Dance and move it's all right.
Watch me dance, dance.
Feel the style.
Dance and move it's all right.
Watch me dance, dance.
We've been on the same
No problem
You can stand it, you can feel the light
Don't it feel good, don't it, don't it feel good, oh no
When music falls, you're a music, music falls, yeah, oh no
Find me a better man
Find me a better man
Watch me out
I never dreamed that this would ever end
But here I am, turning away every night
It's the one thing I feel, I love discipline
No, I am not what you would tell
This is the day that I must say
But to you, it's what I got to do
Enough, enough, I can't take more
Enough, enough, it all went wrong
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodnight
I wanted more of you than anything
I remember the days we couldn't stand being apart
Now the justice we seek in the world we don't speak
We lost everything that we had
I have no choice, our love has no voice
And all I know is that I have to go
Enough, enough, I can't go more
Enough, enough
Enough, enough
Enough, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say goodbye
Enough, enough
I can't go
Enough, enough
It all went wrong
Enough, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say goodbye
I
I can't go on
Enough, enough
Get over it
I can't go on
Enough, I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say
Good night
Enough
I can't go on
Enough, enough
Oh
Enough, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say good night
Just ask for your favourite snacks when the cloud is closed and blue
No cares when you're in the air, licking down on the ground, feeling nearly bad
Reach out and freedom and paradise is waiting for you
Everybody needs some time away
And some time to play
Think you better take them holiday, holiday
Everybody needs some time away
And some time to play
Think you better take them holiday, holiday
You forget your stress for a week or three Trust me, when you're in the city, there's no where else to go
Sometimes you need some time away And sometimes you play
Think you better take that holiday, holiday, holiday
Everybody needs some time away And sometimes you play
Think you better take that holiday, holiday, holiday
I know I'm hard to understand, but I hope you make the effort anyway You hold our future in your hands
I hope we make it longer than a day I can't help showing my emotions
I gotta be a little more discreet If you feel a fraction of affection
perfection and come and sweep me off with more faith.
We could just solve all this confusion.
We could sort it out.
We could prove this situation.
No one has the station.
Focus on what we're about.
Don't say sorry for who we are.
And this apology is going to get you far.
Cause I know that you know, that we're in love, that we're in love
I don't believe it when you tell me, that you think everything's gonna fine
You sure got a funny way of showing it, so this is where I draw the line
We could just solve all this confusion We could start it out
We could prove this situation No more hesitation
Focus on what we're about Don't say sorry if you're who you are
And this apologies won't get you far It's our not to know that we're in love
Don't say sorry for who you are And this apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're all alone
Don't say sorry for who you are And this apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know
That we're in love
That we're in love
Turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, girl, we be high tonight
Turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, girl, we be high tonight
Hi, nice to meet you, are you ready for the back-down seat?
Wonder beats this tough, but turn it a little rough
This is not a test, it's a re-room
So, turn it upside down, baseline kicking with the beat
Another drop right there, I don't care with the disco string run
Ooh, yo, we're about to have too much fun, like
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be hyped tonight, yeah, we be hyped tonight
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be hyped tonight, yeah, we be hyped tonight
Like, hi, nice to see you, when the song comes up, yeah, I feel you
We been dancing all night, dropping that vibe, TikTok into the sequel
So, turn it up some some, baseline kicking with the beat and the drop, blackout, pigeon chair with the disco string runner, oh, yo, we're about to have too much fun
Let's bust scabs on the left, yo, me and my team, we can critical, let's bust scabs on the left, yo, me and my team, yo, we special, so let's go, let's go, let's start show, tonight, tonight, tonight, uh, tonight's tonight, girl
Dream League Season 28 is brought to you by DHL.
well. And checks.
Welcome back friends, it is near the tail end of our group stage 2, but we're still coming
to you live every single day with more Dota action, with now the usual morning crew.
Callie, Avery, and Perri and Fox.
It feels good to be this good.
That's a PPD voice line.
Hell yeah.
That's the Avery's idol.
When he first came into the NA Dota scene,
he saw Peter.
He said, I want to be like that guy.
A role model of the ages, some might say.
Some might say.
Some may also not say that.
That's very true.
Yeah.
Well, Oscar, see if you can get it out of here.
What's in that box?
This box.
You mean this box?
I mean that box.
What is in this box, Ted?
Why don't you show us?
Neil, you wanna have a gander?
What's in the box?
It's, uh, it looks like a watch box.
Unlock it to take a peek.
I think we'll just leave it closed for now.
I wasn't even gonna entertain it, actually.
I was gonna just let you mysteriously hold out
the entire time without acknowledging it.
Just think about what could be in this box.
It doesn't bother me at all.
I don't, I don't need to, I don't...
He's gotta wait for his moment to get the pawn out.
There's something in there
that allows him to make some sort of pawn.
I'm not gonna let him have it.
Eventually, the conversation will just bind in a spot.
What was the thing?
This is a couple of dream leaks that go every single time on the panel.
There was some particular thing that you did.
I can't remember what it was.
Yeah, I made a physical pun that pissed me off.
That's right.
He was always hiding it somewhere on his body.
That's right.
You could never, you could never found it.
I legitimately pressed him one time and I still couldn't find it.
Yeah.
He did my shoe.
That's why I get him.
I was scared to death.
That's why we have TSA.
I never know what you got in your shoe.
You got any puns on you, sir?
You got 3.4 ounces of liquid in that box, is that what it is?
Not even close.
You couldn't guess what's in this box if you tried all day, you know?
I'm not going to try all day.
You might.
Because what I'm more interested in doing all day is watching some Dota,
such as what we had yesterday in more of Group Stage 2 at Dream League Season 28,
where it was on paper set to be the most predictable day of all of our Group Stage.
Kat, it was very much not that.
It was, and it wasn't.
Betboom put up a good fight against Extreme.
Uh, surprisingly good fight.
They, I almost feel like they should have won the series.
But Extreme still managed to clutch it out in the end.
The other series did go their way predictably,
but there was still like individual game upset
until the final one.
I was upset with another Abaddon pick, losing.
Stop, stop picking Abaddon, please.
What did they say on the panel?
Well, he was like 0 and 5.
Correct.
Oof.
Oof.
Oof.
Has yet to win on the ground.
That's one of his, that's his guy.
Apparently.
That's one of his guys.
Not anymore.
But I don't think it's him, it's just, what does it do?
And also, I see the frog winning in a lot of these matches.
That was the other statistic that I pulled.
The frog has only lost to one game in all of group stage 2 thus far.
Dang it!
That's Largobah.
Largobah.
Largobah.
I love that.
They are multiplying.
I crossed multiple matches. Oh, that's a nice jump.
Oh, that was nice. Yeah.
We've gotten a lot of good StormSphere play over the course of this tournament,
and that was what was needed to bring Team Liquid to a Game 3,
because PartyVision had yet to win a single series
that has not changed, but they won one game in this series.
And it was far closer than I expected it to be. Avery.
Surprising to some, not others, Neil.
I think Karsha won that series.
I had him down, but there's no way you look at a game 3 and say they should have won that series
You got smashed in game 3. Game 3 was a non-entity. Yeah, that was a lucky
Then we had a Falcons versus Tundra
But again it is a Falcons and missing a core component of their roster
This one I fell asleep after Aurora looked like they had game one in the bag
And I was just like you know what?
I'm going to bed man.
I wanna get some good sleep.
So let's see what happens in this game too then,
because I also did not catch it.
celery got his pugna, and voker for mid one.
It doesn't seem anything too hard!
Largo bar.
Largo bar.
Largo bar.
Largo bar, what am I doing?
Largo bar.
Largo bar.
Largo bar bar.
Largo bar bar.
Largo bar.
Just just to...
I'm just to...
Is evaporating.
I need to watch this game, I guess.
Chrysalis Rock in the safe lane Beastmaster.
I mean, Beastmaster has been.
That's a big guy.
Yeah.
I missed this one because I was playing Dice,
and then I went to bed.
Really?
Yeah.
Did you win?
I did.
I played SF Carry, and I was like, Aurora.
But it was all worth it.
You did better than Aurora in this game.
You did well.
We busted.
And this was.
This is game three.
Game three, where Aurora, not to spoil it, loses to Mouse.
BB too strong.
BB too strong.
Mouse are back.
I told you never underwrite these zombie teams man.
Yeah, zombie teams.
They drag you down into the muck and mire.
Yeah, you just chose the wrong zombie team.
I asked you actually specifically between mouse and party vision who was more zombified.
You chose party vision.
Yeah.
What?
It does mean mouse is technically still alive.
Correct.
It's too bad party vision showed their best series and are now eliminated.
But they can ruin some other people's hopes.
Who do they still have to play?
They have to play Mousins and Mouse.
Oh, they could really break some hearts.
That's when the zombies turn on each other.
You don't see very often.
Brains.
The biggest brains though are still on Team Liquid as they remain on this.
Don't encourage him.
Oh, what's in the box?
When it's Paltrow's head.
Oh my guess.
We have seven voice lines now.
Oh, what's in the box?
Neal?
Not, not, I don't care.
Okay.
I don't want to sleep in here.
I'm gonna say nothing.
Confidently, nothing.
Okay, that's a fair guess.
I'm gonna say it's a physical pun of some kind.
Also a fair guess.
He hasn't done them this year.
He'll be right out of left-
That's exactly why it's time to bring it out.
Waits until we figure the expectation.
Busting out the physical puns.
It's a zombie physical pun.
Yeah.
When you least expect it.
It's a zombie, sure.
Why was it the night of the living dead, and not the night of the deadly living?
Because they were dead.
Well, they just need to remake that movie, but from the perspective of the zombies.
There has been a movie with respect to the zombies, come what it was called.
I was thinking of Game of Thrones.
I couldn't even say that.
I think what it was called...
The Wolf of Wall Street.
No, it wasn't the Wolf of Wall Street.
There will be blood.
Don't you tell me how to eat my brains.
This is my box.
This is my son, H. Zombie.
H. Zombie.
I'm a zombie, man.
He's an undead.
I'm also an undead.
We give you the bond of family.
Only certain undead cats.
If I have a straw,
and it goes all the way into your brain,
I drink your brains.
Very good film.
Was that the movie you were looking at?
Yeah, absolutely.
A DVD costume.
Show the people at home what's in the bamboo.
Don't let, don't.
What?
Not letting him have his satisfaction.
Neil's boss.
Neil, don't be ridiculous.
We need to know what's in the bamboo.
You don't need to know.
Neil says he doesn't care.
I don't care.
Whatever.
I'm not going to let him have it.
That's a rule by my closest again.
Pretty cool though.
I'm telling you what I'm more interested in.
No?
Hang on.
Don't show him.
No.
Oh, you want to see him?
Yeah, show me.
Are you going to tell him, though?
No.
Wait, wait.
Okay, tell him.
That's pretty good, right?
That's pretty good.
You think you can give me a 3D representation of what you found in that box?
I promised my friend, Baybury, that I would not tell you.
It's pretty good, though.
So what's more important, your friendship or your host's relationship?
Could you, uh...
Yeah, brother.
Pop and lock that shit, brother.
Pop and lock that shit.
Would you be able to share it with the audience?
No, it's Neil's show, so...
Okay.
It's Neil's call.
It's my show, which means that I also get an opportunity to look at the
The task that we did yesterday, it was a variety of tasks actually, as you have been hopefully
watching all DreamLeague season 28, we have had the responsibility of completing creative
and logic based puzzles.
We've been amazing at it.
Fantastic so far.
It has been an overwhelming success on the day shift, so let's just get the formalities
out of the way.
Yeah, bring it up.
Bring it up.
What were the tasks that we did yesterday?
We looked at a bunch of...
Bring up the puzzle table.
A bunch of puzzles.
I want to see the high school table just to confirm in my mind that we literally are the worst and that I often
Nothing to any team that would have me. Can we please see the table? I just want to just want to confirm it just for my
For my own sake. Let's see the standings. Let's see the results. Let's see you were oh my god
Wait they disqualified
I can't believe this, I can't believe this
It's been a long journey to get to this point
We've been downshot and we have been beaten
We've been hit all by great conspiracy
This entire time I knew that we had the potential to become winners
To become champions, to become the greatest of all dream-like potential
And now we have finally realized their potential
The fans have been playing the oldest song they can sing in such a moment
And that is, it's gonna be a time, my friend.
Congratulations, beautiful.
Congratulations to you at home watching,
to where you are in the presence of great people right now.
And we should all be so privileged to show out.
I thought it was such a quiet show, honestly.
Man, she was a little chipped.
One point.
Little tight note, and he was just conserving his energy.
One point.
Well done, Neil.
Well done.
Why'd they get disqualified?
Did they cheat?
Yeah, they gave up.
But they gave up!
They gave up.
Oh, it was a sympathy point!
They said they were disqualified.
Why were they disqualified?
Yeah, because they gave up.
They looked up the answer to one of them
so they could progress to the next.
To be fair, we did that too.
Shut the fuck up!
Period.
Just kidding.
Don't ruin this.
We did a bloody good job.
We won.
Fair and square, some might say.
Which one?
Which one what?
Which one did they look up?
The two U-bolts, I think.
Yeah, we didn't look up anything on that.
That one was difficult.
That was the stupidest one, though.
I believe...
That one was bad.
Like, the solution shouldn't be hidden because one of the sides of a nut is slightly shaved
down.
Okay, but it did tell you that, that it was all about the details and the pages.
But that's not a...
And each individual piece...
That's not a logic thing.
It's a perception.
Also, it was just...
It's a manufacturing key.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
It was just fiddly trying to get it to the track.
Yeah, I didn't like that one.
Yeah.
The circley maze one was good.
Neil cracked that one.
Fair and square.
Just like all the others.
Fair and square, some might say.
Much like the box.
Do we have a puzzle today, or are we done, Zoe?
Some might say this is the puzzle.
Is that the puzzle today?
No.
Okay, well then let's bring out the puzzle for today.
Disco Bob!
This is my favorite part of the show, no lie.
We gotta call it cops on that ass.
Bob's coming down with another box.
Graceville box, Graceville box.
Elegant, beautiful, gorgeous.
Who will you go?
Holy shit, what am I going to do?
Oh, where did shoes go?
Someone stole shoes.
Maybe your shoes are in the box.
Keep your eyes on that, man.
Oh, it's for me?
Another box for everybody.
Oh my god, I've never gotten a box.
He's telling you a box.
I mean, that's only...
I steal your box!
And I come all the way over!
Hey, Avery, what's in the box?
Oh, my...
It's just what you wanted, Ted.
I think they gave us the wrong one.
You want to know what's in here?
I want to know what's in there.
The cookie maker, 9000.
Bake the cookies.
Decorate the cookies.
Resist eating the cookies.
You will get three minutes to assemble the tallest cookie tile possible
using only your baked cookies and decoration equipment at the end of your ship.
Tallest freestanding towel when the timer expires wins, so we have to make biscuits and then stack them up.
I see, okay.
You said you wanted a cooking thing!
Yeah, but this isn't cooking, this is baking!
Oh no...
I can't bake, I need my daughter here, she can bake.
Well, fire out! Fire out, please!
Cookie nitter, 9000, we got...
Four out of school, fire out!
So it's not so much about the taste or the appearance, it's purely about structure.
Yeah.
Do you ever do those popsicle stick egg things or whatever?
Like, you have to make the tall structure like a bridge?
Yeah.
What do you know about engineering, toad?
I believe Avery has an engineering qualification.
I have a degree, that's correct.
Yeah, he's probably not.
That's why I will be providing noses.
That is correct.
It would be an unfair advantage.
Sugar and ginger.
Crack open all these ingredients while I take a peek at the EWCO leaderboard.
We are on the journey to the eSports World Cup.
No instructions.
And more of these teams are...
I...mouse is...uh...
maybe starting to become a little bit of a contender.
Initially, I would have written them off, but after seeing yesterday's performance after seeing them,
beat number eight Aurora, who knows where they might stand.
It's the top 12 that you need to be for a direct invite to the eSports World Cup
Now's going to brum, right?
Go down to brum!
I think so
Who wants to come into Birmingham?
Brenda Whitecoop, I think Mal is coming to Birmingham
Get the kids up
That's, I know that voice, it's Paul McCartney
It's a scouser
Mal is R&D coming to Birmingham
They beat Liquid to get to Birmingham, that's right
That's right
Yeah, yeah
They keep, uh, VP beat Liquid and then Mouse beat Liquid.
Well, let's see if they can beat Liquid again.
That is it.
That's good to be happening as our second series of the day.
First one is going to be Tundra versus Beth Boom Team.
Series three will be Aurora Gaming taking on Xtreme
and the final series will be a zombified parry vision
taking on a Falcon's missing an arm.
Two on Tundra, two on Liquid, two on Aurora.
Oh, no, we're seeing two on Aurora
And I'm going to say 2-1 Falcons in them.
You've never been more incorrect in your life.
Well, I am.
I'm a f**k of the leaderboard for predictions, sir.
So bring it on.
Mercy prediction.
Mercy prediction?
Ooh.
Yeah, they're giving me mercy points
because I feel bad that you sold.
The entire tournament is rigged just to help Ted's ego.
Yep.
You want to verify these numbers?
Let's see the current standings
for our prediction leaderboard.
Who's on top?
Yeah!
It's very inflex.
Is that the Alakazam cap?
Oh come on! I've seen this leaderboard. We've been tied for two days now.
Yes?
Kids brought up in the evening crew? Kids brought up in the morning crew?
Every single time?
Look at Ted! Jolly good for Ted!
Look at him go at the top!
Nobody even says my name, man.
Yes, but...
What the fuck is that?
If you have someone who's a moron who's doing well, it's nice to congratulate them.
Some little things should congratulate me then.
You're not the moron, Cap.
You're a big brain.
It's all about the character that you have to present for broadcast.
You can't be the comic relief.
That's Avery's job.
Because he's sure he's not only doing the anime, at least based off of these leaderboard
predictions I can verify that is the case.
Although, for...
Wait, is this...
That is the wrong day!
This is yesterday, but I am glad that we're looking at yesterday because look
who's the only person to correctly predict Malz vs. Aurora.
Yeah.
I'm going to do the opposite Jenkins
They get him a point though
Against his will, I'm pretty sure he did not want that point
But he got it
Alright, so then we tell him
What's the point of this Jenkins bit?
Well, it's funny
It's just funny
I think it's funny
And it does mean that on the occasion when he's correct
and also defied
he can rub it in all our faces
No he can't, because we all know he's not really predicting that
It doesn't matter. He will do it anyway.
The angrier you get, the more it feeds him, Cap.
Okay, that's right.
No, I'm not angry. I'm just bewildered.
He's like the Andromeda strain.
The Andromeda strain. Do you remember?
The more energy you put into it.
Great novel.
It's a good novel.
It's a good novel for film as well.
All this is good as what's in this box.
All right, Dave Brain.
What's in the box?
Oh, you do care.
I'm doing it for the sake of the viewers, then.
No, see, that's not a good reason. I don't believe you.
We want to know that you actually care. I don't care. Yeah, well, but I don't want to I don't want to withhold the such entertainment
You'll need some life
That's what this is about. I want to know that you want by proxy of the people. No, it's not good enough Neil
We'll get back to the lawyers on stuff to the show
We are
I don't care about the points. Look at the predictions. Let's look at the actual predictions for today.
Alright.
Look at Avery continuing to...
Oh, I'm fully committed. I have lost 8 points betting against Liquid and I do not care.
I do not care. I will continue to do it.
For the memes.
For the memes.
Okay, you can't say that you lost 8 points by predicting against Liquid.
Because legitimately, near the start, you would have actually predicted against Liquid.
I wouldn't predict against Liquid now because they're on the street.
So then at least four points you would have gotten for the group stage two days.
No, it's more than that.
Five days?
There's been at least six series I remember that I would have voted for them rationally.
But I'm not rationally.
It's just like the Tinkins thing where it's like you can't actually do this.
You can't be like, I'm going to intentionally predict against myself.
I can't.
I also still get those points.
Everybody know I still get those points.
I don't care.
These are bad bits, man.
And eat a two-type situation.
Well, maybe the extra points are in this box.
It's a 30s.
We have to not fake.
It's biscuits.
We're making big.
I care about what's in the box, though, right?
I care about what's in the box, though.
I care so much.
I care so deeply.
You?
Somewhere.
I do.
Can we get a close-up of Neil?
You found this.
A close-up shot of Neil.
Neil, I want you to say, I care about what's in the box.
And I need you to make it believable.
No!
That's the fake face.
What are you talking about?
Yeah, that's your YouTuber face.
I want the real Neil.
I care about what's in the box.
Bullshit!
Was that believable?
No.
Say it with a tear.
He just spit on his finger and rubbed it on his face.
Show me what's in the box, everyone.
Please.
Your mysteries have always entertained me.
I simply put on this front because it's funnier at home if I seem like I'm annoyed,
Legitimately, it always amuses me endlessly, and I just want to know what's in the box
That was for you
Yeah, that was Oscar right now is Oscar round of applause there
All right, what's in it? Yeah, there's not that
It's a cool box Neil, so I'll give it to you if we go from this book you guys
Put your hopes and dreams in there. Let's go to the host. Hey, there's nothing on this card either
Hey, there is nothing on that car
I feel cheated somehow.
Yeah, give me that.
I'm going to fold it up and put it in the box,
and that way there is a double lie within.
See, the thing though, Neil,
is was there nothing in the box,
or was there friendship?
Put that in there.
Come on, big guy.
Let's put our differences aside.
This was what was in the box,
Neil, that hugged me from a friend.
Oh
Thanks
This is the weirdest morning show we've ever done you think
I think it's either close. Yeah, I was weird
Well, you haven't said shit. So maybe if you turn up your energy levels cool
Called out on the morning show
No.
Any closing thoughts from our casters before we get into the first series of the day,
Cap?
It's a deal of flowers.
Hey, everyone.
What deals of flowers?
Um, my closing thoughts, I'd like to say that I'm always glad to be here with you boys.
I think we have a nice chemistry, a nice camaraderie that's grown over the years.
Sometimes I miss hanging out with you at 3 a.m. when shit gets weird.
I brought a little weirdness to the morning show, and I hope you all appreciated that.
You've done great.
And, uh, Ted?
Yeah?
We'll talk about your medical condition
afterwards.
Yes, please.
And Neil, I hope you think you had fun today.
Let's get into our first Thursday of the day.
It's 100 taking on that room.
Hey guys, today we've got another exciting series on our hands in Tundra vs. Bedouin.
What I wanted to talk about today was money, gold.
Dota 2 is primarily an economy game before it is anything else.
So I wanted to look at stacking.
Throughout this group stage 2, it's really become obvious that the teams that are capable
of stacking more, playing for certain timings, and playing the economy, so to speak, have
been doing better than a lot of other teams.
And as we can see in this tournament, the average amount of stacks per game, I
I mean, per match, per teams in this tournament is 12.91 stacks per game.
We can see the leaderboards down here of the teams that aren't playing.
We have Liquid leading by far with 18 stacks of the teams not playing.
We have Falcons at 16, Extreme Gaming at 13.7, and the teams that seem to be doing
more badly in Paraviget and Mouse, guess what?
Guess what?
They've been stacking less.
Now for this matchup-specific stack, if you could bring up the next graphic,
I wanted to look at Tundra vs. Bat Boom.
As you can see here, Tundra are actually leading by far.
They are averaging 20.54 stacks per match.
This is far above the average.
They're beating it by 8.
They are the team that plays the most for gold.
They play the most around their stacks, and they draft around that.
We have Batboom at 14, which honestly isn't bad.
Aurora, who are doing super well, are stacking slightly less than them, but Batboom have
actually been playing the commie game pretty decently.
And if we could pull up the next graphic.
I want to look at how that turns into actual numbers.
So I want to look at the average GPM of all five players
on Tundra and Batbom.
So Tundra average it at 2,605 per all five players
per minute, whereas Batbom do 2,440.
Which honestly, again, Batbom surprised me
because economy-wise, it seems like they've been doing
higher than average than a lot of other teams,
but ultimately Tundra are the leader.
They know how to play the gold.
They know how to play the Mac.
They are by far the best team at economy
in the scope stage too.
And possibly one of the best economy teams we've ever seen.
Effie, thank you very much for putting these two teams
and their stacks under the microscope
and come on down and join us along with Insania,
a stack enthusiast where you had all surprised
to see Liquid as the highest of average stacks per game.
I, after Tundra.
After Tundra, right, yeah.
Kind of, actually, I think they've been playing quite fast
and they haven't really been playing so much
economy game but it just goes to show you that like in order to play that fast in
order to apply that pressure you kind of need to get your economy going early in
the game and that's probably where most of the stacks are happening so yeah I
think it's I was not expecting that but it's cool to see that they're doing it.
I was also very surprised to see liquid. Yeah the different dynamic
though is at least in years past I've always considered stacks to be a very
cherry-oriented kind of GPM increase and then it became a mid-laner kind
with like the Templar Assassins, and now it seems like stacks are most critical for the offlaners these days.
I think it's just generally accepted, but it's something you have to do.
I remember very early on when we joined Liquid, it was seen as like a liquid thing. Yeah. Stacked camps, and
I mean, I think it's just like how you're supposed to play Dota.
They just, if you think about it, we wouldn't skip killing a creep wave.
Why are we skipping killing a jungle camp?
And if you don't have time to actually go kill it, well, then just make sure you stack it.
Because it basically wins you like a full minute of time to do anything else.
Instead of sitting there hitting the single camp down and then going back in a minute and doing it again,
you can just, you know, leave it for a minute later.
And it sounds very simple, but it actually just is winning you time, stacking camps.
So, important.
And the efficiency trade-off, I guess, is making more use of the supports time.
Because the supports whose responsibility it is to create these stacks.
I mean, sure, that's one way to view it. Another way to view it is like you create opportunities for your carry to
Or mid laner or off laner to like stay on this lane or go do a move like if you think about it
Usually you will farm
Like let's say mid laners for example, they want to push out their creep wave and then they want to go farm the two camps that they have
Close to their lane
But if it supports stacks those camps after they're done pushing up the wave it creates an opportunity for your mid laner to go
smoke without losing any efficiency because the camps will be there a minute later and
you'll get that gold a minute later but it's still the same amount of gold at the end of
the day.
Yeah, that makes sense.
And then for Netta specifically, the off-liner for Tundra, it does not surprise me that
for a maximum efficiency team, he highly encourages stacks on his rosters.
Yeah, I mean, Tundra or a GPM team, they always have been, but it feels like they've
kind of brought everybody into the mix over the last year.
So we'll see 33 obviously doing these stacks,
but we'll see them be given to BZM at times
and even times to Pure.
Like there was this one game where Pure got heavily shut down
on his SF, he died three times online,
and then they gave all the triangle stacks to him.
You just want there.
So they're able to reallocate the resources
when necessary as well.
And Ted, I need your perspective also
for the years and years of Dota that you've been
playing have you noticed stacking become more or less important for you my you
know when they give you this summary yeah there's like battle report in go to
yep my average camp stacked is like 1.2 what as I do it once and then I get
bored and no one's chastising you to be like why aren't you stacking my my
stack doesn't can't be there doesn't stack either I played Sven yesterday
because someone everyone's bored of playing carries was like I'll play carry
Yeah, I played Sven in one game and I said to my mates I'm gonna need some stacks and they're like making me self
So we lost and then I played SF
And we won because we just picked if you can pick a hero that's strong you don't need to worry as much as
With Sven is like I actually really need these stacks
Yeah, if I had stacks would have got my item sooner might have won the game
But we just didn't bother and tell me it you I actually did not fully process this change like thing
But you you told me that it is actually less efficient to create your own stacks
Then to just kill the camp one time and then wait for it to respawn. So there's a yeah
So the way stocks work is if somebody else stocks for you
It's the most efficient. Yeah, there's a person that's stacked gets a percentage of the gold on top of like
The full gold that you get from killing the creeps if you stack for yourself
I think you lose the buff that somebody else would get for stacking the camp
But you also get straight up less gold for the second camp that you stack for yourself
So it's quite a big
Differential at the end of like all the calculations put together. It's bad. It's really bad
And when you find out that your friends are just
Dying instead of stacking for you or just moving around
You think hey, I really would have liked to have hit those creeps and got my DKB area
But they just didn't they but I can't complain because I'm a lazy bastard, too
There were certain heroes where you think, oh, I love playing this hero because it's easy to stack.
You don't need to walk all the way over there.
Grinch stroke, Shadow Demon, easy.
But if you've got to go over there and hit the creep and then walk back, ah, he's got time for that.
You've got to do some cool shit, like dive bot.
Yeah.
Much more exciting.
Ironically, I do think that that has influenced the support hero pool because we're seeing...
Phoenix be immensely popular.
That can make stacks.
Shadow Demon is parma banned constantly.
I guess Trion Protector can kind of do a pretty eff-
No.
No?
You've got to walk over there.
Yeah, but he can just do a little...
Yeah, but then it slows the creeps, and it's just, you know, you want something that just goes,
whoop, and they go,
oh, and they come tearing out, that's what you want.
Or someone that can double stack two camps at once, one stroke Cheddarbeam, and that's the whole thing.
Yeah.
Do you guys want to know what stacking war has translated to, stats-wise?
Quicker games?
The two teams that have the most stacks by far than the other teams are ending the games much faster.
Like, their average of enduration is much, much lower than other teams.
For this matchup in particular, Pandra's average win duration has been 36 minutes?
Hmm.
Or, yeah, 36, and Batman's has been 45 minutes.
Hmm.
So, stacking earlier and getting more money allows you to snowball more and close out games faster.
Tracks for men?
Same for liquid liquids around the same win duration.
Picking Tusk allows you to snowball more as well, Nia, but it's been banned.
It has been, along with a Razor and Shadow Demon as we came to the draft for a game number one
Between Tundra and a Bed Boom team, Bed Boom, they take out all the classics that we've been staying for group stage 2.
Trion Protector, Shadow Fiend, Largo and Batrider.
Teams after nearly two weeks have finally figured out that the frog is strong and they are banning it. That's good.
Don't let him through.
Those really pick your poison against Netta.
Yeah, yeah, now he gets Beast Master. So, you know, but it is what it is.
It seems like Beast is like the best hero of the game right now that you just don't have enough fans for it's the impression
I get it seems like quite frequently Beastmaster is gonna be the hero that gets that through and
Teams are saying like this is the hero that we have answers to I
Would traditionally think fucking to Beast is quite tough
But GPK is like a lane specialist. He's a guy that really knows his matchups
And he probably has like a pretty decent idea of what he wants to play
I think Beastmaster has primarily been a mid slash carry not so much of an offlaner
at the moment though with tundra you can never underestimate meta beast it's
definitely a possibility and I think especially if you pick heroes that are weak
against the boars they will probably look too taxidate that way.
Yeah so far they've picked it five times three times mid on BZM, two times pure
carry, zero times on 33 so far. It's pretty cool that their flex is that
strong that their mid and carry own on it so hard because usually when you
flex heroes like sure it can be played everyone says but there's usually one
person who does it much better and they stand out but for thunder that doesn't
seem to be the case they all own on that no they really do and I think these to
be honest in many ways it's quite a quite a straightforward hero once you
like understand how the hero works the axe build especially I think is it's
just about understanding like the numbers and the values and how to you
know if I'm strong enough to kill someone or not so in that regard I
most tier one players that are like very like you know somewhat comfortable with
the hero played it a few times they'll pick it up quite fast you don't really
need a lot of practice for this hero he kind of plays himself I like to think
that's a gaming sleeve it's not or is it a bad arm I think it is like like a
blood flow thing at least in sports whenever I see that it's like
constricting but you can't feel your hands yeah so it's like someone else
This is playing the game.
I can't feel your mouth.
I'm like, holy shit, am I miracle right now?
I wonder if it's for like elbow strain or something.
It's too far down.
You'd have no point on the forearm if it was for elbows.
The support would all be built around the elbow surely.
Look at it, it's loose around the wrist.
It might be more comfortable to be loose around the wrist.
Maybe.
I hate when my arm touches the table.
Oh.
Like...
Are you a hoverhander?
No, I always have laces.
That's why I always have the like something long underneath the jerseys
Huh, cuz if I don't know why but the feeling of also like moving my mouse arm on my mouse pad like the feeling on my mouse pad on
My arm I really disliked it
Interesting
He built up calluses where you're met with your hand rests like there's a bit on my hand
There's like a lump, but that's clearly just where my my
Interesting pivot for my wrist is like if I play a lot it gets all soo
Really gamer injury right there
My mousepad wrist is, uh, I've got a bit of a stool bit with my hand for playing games all day.
Weak.
And I would imagine this is for elbow strain, because that's where the tightness is.
It only matters if you're a low DPI player, because then you're actually moving your elbows when you move the mouse,
but if you're a high DPI player, you're just moving your wrist.
I see. Yeah.
That's what makes us look good.
Maybe. I think it's an anime thing, personally.
And beach motion is a lot of that.
Pick Earthshaker. Just saying.
This is the first time that Tundra picked Chen.
This tournament.
Interesting.
I mean, it's a strong hero.
Puck, generally speaking, wants to play in a way where he spam spells and kind of slowly
chips you down and gets you into the low HP and just, you can't touch him and he's
constantly just chipping you down, but it's not very high like burst damage.
And Chen kind of provides some sort of sustain, you buy items that just makes your entire
team tanky, you have heal, and in that way it's quite a decent hero against Puck.
It doesn't really directly kill Puck, but it kind of makes your team quite unkillable against them
We've seen this bounty answer to Chen I believe Crip played it in a Falcons game
I can't remember who they were against and he got absolutely bullied
Because the idea is oh you can go and mess with the Chen in the jungle, but it just didn't work.
Dave is an enthusiast
He plays bounty hunter
Very enthusiastically
I think this is like if you want someone to look at in order to understand how to beat like Chen and Hedge better
with bounty, it saves your guy.
Easier guy, interesting.
I wonder if I think Bounty bears the caudal away,
because their caudal is unbound on Tundra,
and they have their tiny.
So it does feel like a shulin,
but they're really thinking about what to pick on 18 here.
Maybe they'd rather secure.
They did do the RA caudal on 18 before.
So they think it's a very integral
to this tiny strategy,
but I really feel like if you pick
Shen and caudal together, you deserve to lose.
These two heroes are like, two heroes with no spells, no control, nothing.
They're just like, two true, like, supporters, and that's all they do.
They just heal, and give mana, and hit creeps, and I just, it's illegal.
I feel like if Quinn was here, he'd be doing this right now, you know?
Yeah, he would do the X.
Like, not allowed.
Don't you think it's a little bit offset by having like, tiny, these master cores?
He brought like, all of the life!
That is the concept, and that is the idea, but I personally feel like it just should not work and it shouldn't be allowed, and it goes against the rules of Dora, and it's like, it's a Vigo.
It's like you're not supposed to be allowed to win with these three heroes together.
Play the thyrans.
They didn't Yandex one with Kotal Ten, and their finals?
Are we playing thyrans?
Is Kotal under arrest finally?
Maybe it's changing, it's transforming.
Don't be sure if it's done.
It's done.
It's done.
Personally, right now I don't hate it, but I think the difficulty is the bounty hunter
track vision on heroes like this Cottle, and this Chun, because you've got junk from your
Ursa, you've got junk from your Puck.
These heroes will be vulnerable, but Tundra look like they have a really strong group
of timing, especially if they run this Beastmaster as a carry, and he's got this Chun behind
them.
They can just play very bravely.
I mean, people have spoken, and I think Quinn was always talking about the Cottle
tiny thing that you can just constantly cast your spells is just so huge.
Yeah, it's very strong. I mean if you think about Tiny, like his 90% of the identity of
the hero is pressing stun and toss. So when you get to press stun and toss more, you're
just more tiny.
You become 180% of the hero.
Exactly. This is another fun fact that I used to always say when you buy Octo-Ring
Core you become 25% more hero.
I like that.
you become like like you said like 80 percent more hero. So I think if you're
bad boom right now you're trying to consider where is the Beastmaster strong
and they're saying Beastmaster is probably quite good against our Ursa
that's very likely gonna be on that up and therefore they're banning out
Pierce heroes and for Tundra they see Kez out so they ban like the two main
heroes that they don't want to play. No they're not sure because I keep ban
and brew.
They should cover their bases, I think, because Warlock plus Ursa feels quite difficult for
East.
You know, it's their cover with Saxon.
What if they pick Magisa?
You've got a Kotl as well.
And Tundra?
Yeah.
I wouldn't like it too much personally, because it looks like their early timing feels very
strong and Magisa would delay it quite a bit.
But it's definitely an option.
I would imagine they pick Netta or something here.
I think you want the beast to kind of have like a faster game, nope.
They go with the doosa.
I think that's what Beth and Phil as well as Netta's hero.
Because they banned Bruma, another M-hero.
Muerta, as I was saying.
Muerta.
Maybe they just didn't find a better option for this offline pick towards the end.
Like Murs is out, Underlord's out, Brue's out, Largo's out.
Like Murs justifies not getting a good hero for Netta.
Min Marta is also quite good in this game. If you think about heroes that don't want to play against violence,
Huck and Ursa are both on that list, and she has an instant violence.
Could they pick Tide? How does he do against Moe at the same time?
Generally, Tide likes playing against melee heroes more.
It's fine, it's like this hero is kind of okay in most positions, especially with Bounty Hunter.
You want to find a hero that's kind of happy to play either the 1v1 matchup against the carry,
His Barrier Hunter will take Arrow to 5, or you want something that is just quite sustainable and manages on its own, and Tide falls into that category.
So it plays into this sort of, you got Ravage, Golem, Bones, that's a nice bit of team fight right there.
Yeah, for them, damage is like, I think the main thing. You're trying to figure out here.
I was going to say, it feels kind of hard to get a good pick here for Miro because the
ones that you really would have wanted have been Band-Aid already and Snorri Sennfer is
a very fine and stable hero, but it doesn't necessarily give you the oomph that you want
out of a 24 pick.
Like usually that's a pick that counters lane in one way or another, but it doesn't
really do that to Martha.
Like later on when you get to MP, you can maybe dive her under a tower, I get a
a pug TP in there, but she should be farming for free until then.
Yeah, but I do think the positives with the Centaur is that Retaliate against ranged heroes
generally speaking quite strong.
Ranged heroes want to abuse the fact that they can just click you constantly in the name.
And Centaur kind of has like a hit me, but you're also going to get hit back.
I mean we saw this in like full effect against Windrunner yesterday when Ace was playing
it and eventually when he hit 25 and he gave like retaliate or his entire team
satanic was like I can't hit anyone anyone I hit I just died he took a
thousand damage from retaliate in one fight I don't even think he was hitting
stunt arm I think he was just hitting other people yeah yeah that is for
tight function where it was all T and it doesn't retaliate the magical part
of it I don't exactly know how it functions but generally speaking I
think when mark is altered as just dealing a ton of damage you don't
really care about retaliate because the like the tradeoff is so good for you
but it's more like a laning thing and more of like an early game thing where
it's strong. It's time to see this triple-layer Beastmaster flex as 33 is
getting his hands on it for the first time this tournament and let's see it in
a game number one with Kev as Vigil.
On our hands a five versus five first blood to start tundra take the first one save
Well, he'll get the second one soon to ball
He's gonna try to do as much damage he can to BCM before he inevitably dies here while GBK chase after pure pure
Only needs a couple more hits Nero's gonna try and finish on BCM here. The fairy fires just keep on going off
BCM has no more fairy fires though. He will die where pure lives
2 to 2 is the end outcome here. Tundra walked away with the first blood. We'll see how many
bounty runes Betboom can get on the retreat. Goddamn, that's the fighting right there.
Just running there, bonds everybody. The funniest part is how it started too.
Betboom just, they walked up into the high ground, smoke broke, and they kind of stuck
around, they said, we're gonna hit this board, we're gonna hit this, this Chen creep.
So, I don't know exactly, alright, GPK, she's gonna die in tower to get a full reset, I guess.
Yeah, you can't just walk the lane on like half.
He waits for the lane.
Whitemon blocked the wave with the little Hellbear.
But he blocked it too well.
Yeah, and now BZM's gonna miss at least one last hit under tower, maybe two?
That'd really help.
I'm GPK, I don't...
Definitely not intentional from Whitemon,
but it's gonna backfire pretty hard here as GPK doesn't miss anything.
That makes sense that White Mon was his only flaws being too good. Yeah, there really is
That you assault though because if the puck goes back and blocks then he's gonna get to no block and you can salvage a form
Unfortunately, the puck died so
You know he's gonna die here. Yeah, dead shot to finish him off. He's just gonna fall
So taking advantage of the fact that it's a double melee lane and the Bounty Hunter is gonna be doing full shenanigans
Or death to give up when your body's pulling away for you gonna just chill. It's all you're really fighting for anything there
Yeah, it's a no-stun lane so
Probably should just be able to read the damage potential and play safe, but apparently not
Now that the things have calmed down we got a pause 42
Does this change the lanes at all?
Oh, yeah, I mean, it always changes lane setups because heroes just come to lane with a bunch of extra XP and gold they're not supposed to have.
Particularly the Caudal here.
Was the big beneficiary of all that?
You already got the first blood.
Sorry, level 2.
He is losing Caudal with extra level. Super nice, too.
You just get the Chakra early and now all of a sudden all of your spells are free.
You can just start throwing him out like crazy.
Essentially go for some earlier stacking as well.
Though the Beast can always stack with his force here.
So it could be a nice little fast game from Hardy Boots, Hardy Online, he's been swallownsling.
It's gonna be a menace.
Swirlock is never gonna get a camp down here.
This was likely a lane that they were already going to win though, right?
So it just means a lane they're gonna win even harder.
Yeah, I would put it in that category.
I think both side lanes look pretty free farm for Tundra here.
Mid is a wash at best.
That's the big GPK I'll do well here, which is because it's a GPK PUS.
Seems to win most of his lane matches with this hero, regardless of what is supposed to happen.
I don't like BZM really cares, though.
So how do you just pick the Tiny every time it's available?
They don't care what BZM plays and do.
They want the stun hero off mid.
They want the synergy between it and the supports that they want to pick right now.
To me, this is...
a glue hero for them.
I don't think it's a hero where they think it's broken any numbers or anything, it's just tiny
brings their lives together so they're happy to play it every single time. I mean I think that
the what we have seen, the trend of team fights and such,
liquid, willing to throw two or three ultimates to just get that single kill at the very start
of a fight, it feels like the numbers advantage is really important right now. Like anything that
That allows you to get that initial free kill to then have the numbers advantage and force
continue to force the fight from there.
Yeah, I would argue that's how it goes always though.
Maybe, but that's why Tiny's been broken for 12 years straight.
Agreed.
Yeah, the toss is a stupid mechanic because it's very hard to take the team fight when
someone gets tossed in.
Are you telling me that the teams are playing fights the same way they've played fights
for 10 years?
No.
I think there's way more of an emphasis on that idea of it.
I guess the aura balls and how tanky these heroes can get, being able to isolate someone is way more valuable than it used to be.
So any mechanic that inherently does that's going to be increasingly more valuable.
Another reason some of these heroes have gotten nerfed, because otherwise they're just automatically broken.
The Fat Rider, the Io's, the Tiny's.
There's a trouble here, saved, doing a really good job, managed to catch him, a little out
of position, got a lot of damage on him and Miro.
Help get the kill, he'll die for it, but well worth the exchange, especially all these
creeps that Pure's missing out on.
The courier's got the lead up here because of the bounty pulling, they were afraid of
the courier's getting sniped, so they were missing a lot of stat items.
There's a full Falcon Blade on this courier, it's like 1200 gold on it.
just more authentic dot have probably states in there and you win that exchange
so bounty hunter presence up here it's been felt definitely feelin it oh save
got hellbear smashed by the neutral hair hellbear not one that white hawn is
actually controlling in the dead shot if it landed would have been the kill
he's lucky to get out of there's a pair hellbear twinzel two potatoes look at
no so what if you brought the good about this match up retaliate is a physical
damaged spell so when pure has his ultimate going he shouldn't take damage
you're talking correct
yeah yeah I mean you're immune to physical damage so physical many time it's
Physical damage, so yeah, take zero.
Oh, oh, stand in front of him!
Stand in front of him!
Mirror, he just can't get away!
I think it's still prox-
What does that...
change?
I don't know.
Okay, alright, thank you.
Well, I'm trying to think, is there anything you would ever do?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Oh, hero, push back in, buy the dead shot, beautiful stuff, blood grenade.
The container was the hellbearer, should be able to finish him off.
Still though save is still chasing after pure. Got it get the turn kill
Or hit or just vision dropped a century to get the vision
That was beautiful play and counterplay there
You're going to block them off with the trees save dropping a century for the vision very cool. That was
That was it for the indeed here thought he outplayed him here
But you get outplayed by your old teammate just a little bit more
Well, bounty hitter's gonna love all the levels that he's getting off of this lane.
Oh yeah, this is the ideal start for this year.
Your machine, early kills, extra ego and everybody, he's happy you get the track online.
It's gonna snowball for you.
You want a fast game here.
Don't want to let Tundra play their usual stacking AFK until he stags nonsense.
Boom do not seem to be okay. No, no tipi's coming in from the bounty hunter
Caner and tiny his GP K gotta be ready for this. He's going back to the fountain
I think he'll be here in time tipi's gonna be a little bit longer going for the kill on Miro first
Rather than the wisdom shrine outright
Miro is gonna be pushed back in underneath this tower
So killing him. Okay. Why mom will finally take the last stages pure was running over to help try and deal with this
This gpk puck who gets the coil off but he's very low toss him in the air, that'll finish off the bounty hunter
God tell me now I have to step into the wisdom shrine but these heroes are just too damn tiki and the chen got level 6
Oh no! Did he get 6 off the other wisdom shrine? Is that what happened there?
Maybe?
He was close after the centaur chill and I think whitemon teeps the base to get mana for the hand of god
So don't blow him really out of it
I think I'm close against here
Probably this plus wisdom shrine got him there.
Someone's gotta get that last thing.
Oh no, he got six items or kill.
I think it's because everyone else is so far.
Yeah.
And then he's back for the mana.
Oh that's so cool.
Super heads on play.
I mean that's white one though, right?
Like this is the small things that if I can do to make a huge difference in the game.
Such an impactful play on multiple levels.
He is owning this game.
He is already level six and a quarter.
higher level than the safe lane ursa is there three one and five start to this
check with the potatoes doing the work is there any chance that pure walked away
intentionally that like my told them let me get this solo kill no they're
trying to play it efficient they're trying to contest with the try and yeah
worked out though in a big way
oh no this is not long enough okay
good thing he had an ore belt
the lie box here alright he's so fast he stays in front of save pretty easily
the doom?
that's not gonna be up for a while
this is a scary game right now for the boom just
how much these supports have gotten here for a ton of the early game
because they do lack some lockdown and catch, but if you give them this much early XP they're just going to be able to play through the cores, you're going to have solar bind on early, you're not going to be able to invade their side of the map, the beast is already clearing through stacks, there will be more experience going into the caudal.
But like the county had a solid start and then after that fight it's gone downhill considerably, yet none of those wisdom shrines.
You just hit level 4, and how do you get track of lansky?
It looks really tough.
Meanwhile, 33.
Living life on the other side, had stacks for him.
And he's just AFK doing so.
He is so high level, so rich.
Hero is just bonkers.
Especially in the steam chants when they flex it across all three lanes.
It's very hard to draft against get the right kind of pressure going
That boom gonna have to do some work here to find the bounty levels to get this game
Going their way in terms of tempo because right now it's all times are just playing their style
Slow farm up. Everybody's getting items. Everyone's getting levels
And he's got an army he's bringing to the mid lane, but boom, I don't know how they're
going to handle this, their tower is almost already dead.
JPK actually jumped to that orb?
Spooky, once the power rune, he's not going to give it.
The pressure's coming in mid right now.
The support behind the tiny is scary.
But the solar vine going in here, you really have to be careful of your TPK.
His towers was dead. There's no way you can save it.
Maybe you can get, uh, deny on it.
Oops, it's not.
Oh, no, he's too late.
Alright, good attempt.
Do you have gold available?
Stay and eat as well.
Where's the damage gonna come from?
Throw into the bombs here.
Fuck this, not doing much to Witchblade, though.
This is, uh, 1,600 HP Tiny, 1,800 with String Trids.
You hand the god available, you have caudal heals, I just don't want to say how you kill
heroes in this game if you're a weapon, so Ursus ready to join the fray versus your only
real damage hero.
What's that all screen cam for?
He's can't stack this, pulling the legs on, yeah, then I more, more CS from this
centaur.
There's your beast aggs at 11 minutes.
Excuse me? Drop the rock on him, coil on too. As you said though, the damage is pretty hard to get that damage out there.
Whitemon's making a run down the river. He is getting away from GPK, GPK, if he can hit it with this orb and jump to it.
Oh, we didn't land. Nobody orbs Whitemon.
Whitemon's just too quick, so instead GPK tries to kill his courier. He can't get the courier either.
you're either nobody kills white monskirt, 4,000 net worth lead for tundra, yikes, that's
a fight where if you're going, you know, let's take this, we have gold bonds, we have a
tundra, let's take a skirmish, and you're running into level 7 gen with hand of god
drum, you're running into axe, beast master already done a lot of it, the timings are
just way too fast at the top, that worth an item timings with dota damas, way more
important hero block we're just being here like I feel like hundred can have
five blocks and they might win that fight just off of the item time so yeah
what's the blob axe do though oh that's Largo we already know the best one in
the game I blob all over you when you die
Also, I wasn't fooled on the centaur, because who's supposed to play with save to look for
opportunities in this game?
Just puck.
Okay, what do you really had to gank at Snowball mid?
I almost think you maybe should have just left the centaur alone way more and tried
That boom to keep up with Ursa
He's a Roshan here. He just finished down
That was close to the record
Yeah, and it's not an Ursa or a Haasar
Block it done for the Caudal blink coming in for the tiny Tundra ready to fight
Absolutely ready to brawl
They can bring them or at the end of these plays. They don't have to either. I think they're strong enough to play 45
Oh for sure
That's the real scary part here can do whatever he wants right now
They come another wisdom shrine, I mean there's gonna deprive the bounty hunter of level six
That didn't think to themselves we have to fight this one with a stampede goes off
Sent her's already dead and now the silence on characters characters does manage to get off his enraged
Go on's gonna be dropped on this coil. They're having a hard time fighting through all this though as
You can see they focused on 33 who had the ages and they still can't kill it just like the chin before
Got the wisdom shrine though. I guess yeah didn't get the bounty hunter to level six still sadly
He's so far behind
That hurts.
Okay, you got six on the bounty mytho.
Successful?
Or he doesn't map, the track doesn't do anything if you can't keep kills.
It got through two different fights where he couldn't get a single kill.
Get out of here with your logic, Austin.
It's a bounty hunter, Dota.
Alright.
The game starts now for the two of you.
You may have had us in the first half.
But let me tell you something in the second half.
It's going to be even worse.
Yeah, this is not a Nix's bad time in level 6 or anything.
Man, Cure is so unconcerned about them.
Yeah, that's a feed position right there.
there so there's no one to capitalize on it.
He's in bottom, he's trapped so I don't have a little information to play off of but they're just going to run the whole line down here and no...
Catch the fair.
He might be able to get out if he goes heavy rage.
See how much BZM wants to die.
Three seconds till Blink Dagger, they got a scan on him.
He might try and catch a behind the tier 2.
And he does!
Avalanche toss.
That final hit isn't quite enough though.
That's a victory right there.
Victory for Vefu.
Yeah.
We'll lose this tower though.
Nothing to do about that.
You can't even get a tower kill in return if you can.
Chen is keeping a good tower save.
There's no world you just go higher than you are.
Two minutes on the A's you have.
I can't even get a tower kill in return if Chen is keeping a good tower save.
There's no world you just go higher into here.
Two minutes on the edge you have sustained from the call on Chen.
Just bring the Chen army in.
I mean I guess, but meet yourself up there.
I know they're not gonna do it, but you know, in theory you could if you, I think you could.
In theory you could, but isn't it pretty slow?
slow. Oh yeah, it's an inefficient play. So then maybe Dota should reward you for making
the game stuff like that. What do you mean? Like maybe tier 3 towers scale? If it'll
be dirt-release though, you can go for some sort of super early push and just run the
game over.
Well, there's two sides to that game, so...
There's a courier side.
Goodbye.
You have been Beastmaster, good sir.
Shadowblade for 33 was his voice this game.
Yeah, I mean that's a pretty nice choice you're dominating. They get mid the game so early. Oh, yeah
It's just such a threat on the map. I think the supports are also so poor
They can't really afford them any centries. That's how you know you're stupid for having my shadow.
Wait, how do you know why I'm playing that?
What do you do about it man? You can't you can't track me
Leading towers still have ages for 20 seconds
He's just going to control his whole bottom half of that, but it's D4's plus the Shadow
Blade.
They're like, who is going to go fight and kick the Sceesmaster out?
You can send the Pound Hunter against him, try and track him up, and then set up the
kill.
That's probably your best bet.
Yeah, they got to clear this area.
They can't let 33's just...
Only half of the farm territory that they have.
They don't have that much map control.
You give this area up, you've got nothing.
Oh god, he just shot me right past them.
Oh, come on.
Boys, the smoke...
They pop, they are still going to make an initiation here on the tankiest of heroes, that tiny.
It's going to take a long time to kill him.
Enrage is where it's in, now 33, it comes through the backside, roar, and the drums are playing.
That'll kill too easily.
I think they're going to call this one, because I think so, too.
There is nothing left in this game.
I don't think they've got a single track kill.
You just spent everything to go on this tiny and he is full HP
Lock it, caught a blast, hand to God
So you got a mech in this one? You don't even have a mech yet
No, because White Monowin drums
Mech, he has it as in it's in his stash right now
Just a super clean game from plundra with a line up there
Very comfortable with it, they played it
Almost as exact line several times to them
Who do you think good scarier tundra liquid as people or in game?
Let's say both yeah, well, I'm not gonna say as people because that's that's mean Austin. You should be me
Scare, I mean liquid definitely looks scarier. I don't think that's close actually really
But I do think tundra have a good match up against them
If they're in form, like the way they just negate lane advantage and can play a defensive game and
anticipate moves, stuff like that.
Isn't that a matchup tomorrow?
They already played.
Oh, did they?
No, no, no. Well, they played in group stage one.
Yeah, tomorrow, Liquid versus Tundra.
Oh, yeah, that'll be a very interesting series.
Yeah, I think that's very different in group stage one.
Liquid's definitely favorite.
They're just in peak form right now.
Also, they were in different groups, so they didn't play in group stage one.
You lied to me.
I'm thinking of Aurora.
Maybe it's all in the dream.
What the hell am I thinking of?
Zoom in.
Oh, you just push him away?
What was that?
Wait, what?
What?
I think that was his helmet on, right?
Was it?
Oh, maybe.
Yeah, it wasn't.
It looks like White Launching in a push-and-pull.
Oh!
Another set of Wisdom Shrines here for Tundra.
Another Tormentor.
Let's charge for the Coddle.
Super nice charge on this here by the way.
Look at all the vision Tundra has on that boom right now.
You can see all these heroes millin' about.
The thing is, I don't even think they really need it, cause you're just gonna defy me anyway.
Yeah, okay, Caudal's dream, right?
Honestly, the boost speed on this hero is super nice, so you can play the fights.
Being able to go in with the Mega Cast Range off Spear Form and make sure you can...
Especially since you got the Shard of Tormentor.
Yeah, actually, don't mind this, because now you have double Solar Bind, Mega Illuminate
You can just go in, you can use the boost to travel like an ATL or something to be able to just get solar mines off, and kite in and out of the fights.
You can also farm joint fights if you want to start getting greedier in this game.
More Shadowblades.
That's kind of interesting.
Wait for the next roach here. Or I should say they're gonna do the next roach here.
That should be a high ground. Roach. Oh wait, we'll see if the Tundra came to put up a fight
in the high ground. Will we see a track kill this game? That's all I want to know man.
Will they get one track kill? You gotta get one.
Yeah, they haven't gotten the kills from around in it.
I honestly think you get the track kill and then you finish the shield.
It is really funny that, yeah, don't forget we had the first blood fight, so they started
the game with two kills. Then they got two more impure in the
laning phase. And that's it.
Oh, you gotta kill pure a couple times in the laning phase.
for memory sake you know reliving their ti run
got the centaur on centaur bro
that's the guy who rides the centaur
run
run other murals
centaur on centaur action
it's the centaur massacre out here
I just want to track him.
He's getting a courier kill.
YAH!
Somebody's getting tracked.
They're keeping up here for say they are sick of him.
Nighting these couriers, they dust, they miss.
The bounty lives on.
Here we go.
Easy end.
In damage.
Silver edge is being complete.
Three and a half minutes left on the ages all the lanes are pushing in tundra in prime position
To end this game, please
Amp damage on tiny right help a little bit
He almost has an off-dream they do a big KV on the other side. There's a track
Now where's the kill?
I mean, you can get tracks.
Tracks are a dime a dozen.
What does a track is half of... half to one commission here?
Passed off the gem.
As far as they aren't just pushing.
Yeah, me too.
As far as they aren't just pushing.
Yeah, me too.
Wait for...
Full Silver Edge?
Oh, that's great. I don't really think of Silver Edge as like,
ah, the Silver Edge is done, guys. Let's go into the hot ground now.
I think they're just vibing. There's Barman.
Get your next big set of items, Octorine Tiny, Pipe Chen.
There's the silver edge for the more the oh
What?
Okay, how we're still trying zero had the perfect timing and I'll cut through those trees
33 is gonna be so confusing where the hell was that guy?
Really gonna chase him. Is this even worth chasing?
This cut the way you can't go higher on the war
They can go high grounding in the lane, like mid lane is hitting, pure is saying, guy,
like let's just, you know, like pure is literally hitting the tier three right now, while they're
showing all these heroes.
By the way, Silver Edge against Fampy, 40 Boston.
Oh right, it cuts your, yeah you can capture MS, absolutely moving speed, doesn't just
slow you, you cannot Fampy out of Silver Edge.
So the Double Silverat here is a super nice game for Centaur.
And I think we're going to speed this item a lot more as you understand the matchups
and super good games, like the Darkseers, the Centaurs.
It does require more typical range carries.
Does he work on the Kuchy? There's no way for you.
Yeah, totally. Why not?
Because the Kuchy maxes. I guess if it maxes you, but your cat's so long.
Yep, he does. That's not super broken too.
Well, this cleanup duty right here, they got the coddle though.
Oh wait, maybe a second one with the buybacks beholding the heritage got a double. He's dead. He is definitely dead
Yeah, he's not taking the retaliation
Okay, five acts that's gonna be the one
33 oh he ticks out. Oh, you got him
That's a crack kill
Okay tossed up in the air heritage. I think now dies to pure
Can the others finish the job?
TvK instantly gets silenced. He stops moving.
Kanto, me, he's getting keep his hands on the keyboard mouse, but it won't do him any good.
Well, they got the Beastmaster, so someone put 33s, freaking this game, getting wrecked, nerd.
Sage says, let's see.
I actually don't even look too trapped in there, so I think Tuck put, didn't get a track kill on this game.
But, here we are.
They got some kills in there. That's clever.
Holy crap, 26k at 27 minutes.
So not a thousand, you can read.
That was a ransacking and that was just a thorough dismantling.
Very well excuse me, Tunger.
Through and through.
I just don't think there's many play opportunities there unless you make the mid lane super chaotic.
I think that's your one point of attack with this bounty, not that it's easy, but
if that doesn't happen, like what else do you mean this game, you have no damage
on your support dealer.
You have very little aggressive playmaking on the lanes.
You don't have good enough lane matchups to just naturally threaten.
It's not like you have a timbersaw against a melee strength dude, you're just getting bamboozled.
See how well Thunder get away with this right now?
It doesn't really matter what heroes they have.
I think it doesn't matter what heroes they have.
If they get to play this type of game with five grey blocks, I think they will feed all the teams in the world, you know?
You have to look past the heroes and see what they're doing on the map, how they're getting a lot more out of lanes than you, how they're stopping your moves, working, taking your wisdom, trying these kind of things, right?
And you have to prepare for that beyond the hero matchup. And then, take that aspect of the game on.
So, I think that movement can do a lot better here in the draft, I think we'll see a game 2. But they'll also have to step up in terms of counteracting that table.
And how do you do that?
Execute the lane phase better, get on their side of the map, block camps, throw 33's tempo off, deny him some of those really big stack clears, or match it right, have stacks of your own.
Alright, well, hopefully that boom can come up some answers, maybe our panel has a few answers for us.
Unfortunately, I think I also have more questions like, how is whitemon so good at dildo?
We're going to look at this play under our microscope a little bit closer, but Aiden, I think this maneuver was indicative of the entire condition of the game.
Yeah, I mean, this is the key moment in the game. It's very early, and I'm sorry, Todd, for looking at seven minutes into the game, and potentially saying that the game might have been over here.
You might want to explain to viewers at home why you said that.
I mean, they missed yesterday.
Well, then that's going to be a highlight later.
Okay.
Or we can break it down.
That's fair.
But just to be clear, I complained yesterday, recently I'd say,
that often in the green room when you're watching games with pros,
five minutes in, they're like, this is over,
and it just kind of spoils the game.
This is a offense.
But of course, Aiden was right.
Yeah.
I mean, I think Avery actually put it really nicely.
It doesn't, it's not written necessarily like heroes.
It is heroes because thunder obviously pick good heroes for what they want to do
But as long as they're allowed to do
Like they're allowed to execute this game plan
They're not really winning off of spells because you told me or Mira said like you call Chen is working
You gotta like give this up and I feel like
It's not that call Chen is necessarily working
It's that these heroes are able to create gold and that that concept just works
If you're able to spawn gold and you're able to create gold you will win most of your games and
That's kind of what's happening and I think for bedroom. That's the big challenge in this series is how do we stop tundra from?
Doing their gold thing because they will do it and they're better at at the macro than we are and we need to find a way
To stop that from happening or we're just gonna it's gonna look the same in the next game
Do you think bounty who steals gold that that was the solution?
I mean it's an idea
I think for example in this game if the the often goes well for them and they're able to
snowball off of bounty there is like a there's a vision I can see with this
draft but the problem is just like their matchups are too weak.
Centaur like Mira said it didn't do well enough against Mark, they get some kills
on the lane there's some trade action going on but they needed that lane to
truly snowball. Yeah I mean I think Tundra are in such a nice position right
now draft wise where they have like multiple heroes that feel really bad
take it away. It's like okay you either give a Largo or Batrider or Beastmaster and you have to
pick your poison between these because all of these openers are working so well for them.
And in this game Batman thought they could beat the Beastmaster. They didn't.
Next game they'll probably ban it but the question is what did they left
through between the Largo and the Batrider.
So this instruction is asked to cut the butter into small pieces.
Is there the butter and sugar porously together?
What does that mean?
I love the way you say butter.
Butter?
Butter.
No, I'm pronouncing my T's.
Butter.
Butter.
Fucking.
No, say butter.
Butter.
My grandmother would be very upset with you.
But if you guys want to dive deeper into the play
that Ted asked about, we have the highlight here
that we can break down for you
and we're just going to do a little quick step by step,
But the cool thing here is Tundra set up for the seven minute wisdom rune with essentially
all of their heroes, you know, Ari comes in, BZM comes in, and Whitemon's ready, he's got
the tomato and the potato ready for the dive on Miro here, here as well with the Colin.
It looks pretty tough.
The really nice thing here is this is probably an accident, but people walk away from Miro,
so Whitemon gets solo experience here, and at the same time that he gets solo experience,
33 gets the wisdom shrine on the other side of the map, giving him an early level
then she teeth keeps based and this close fight suddenly boom hand of God comes out and it just
Turns the times maybe they could have gotten the kill and right now had that not happened
But everything everything worked out so beautifully here. I mean this is kind of what we touched on on the drop for like Chen is kind of decent again
What are you doing?
You can add vanilla sugar syrup flour baking powder and genomics to it in a second just let me get this blended nice
Make a porous, make a porous.
Do you synth again?
Yeah, so it's decenting his puck.
Because I think that position puck was about to like,
I'm going to go ahead and clean everybody up
and I'm going to get a triple kill here.
But once the chen heel comes out, he's like,
oh, my damage is cooked.
It's not going to happen.
Okay, all right.
You may add the vanilla sugar,
a little bit of it, don't you?
Add more than you think you should.
We have multiple measuring.
Okay.
Which one should I add?
I would say this one.
The question is, what do you do against Beastmaster?
You need to add some vanilla to your sugar.
We also have vanilla syrup, so they're going to be very vanilla-y, don't worry.
It's a caramel.
What do you do against bees?
Yeah, because they picked Warlock plus Ursa.
Ursa's having a good time, but...
...but it's just stacking in the triangle.
Like, then what, what approach can you take?
Push it in.
I mean, the tricky thing with bees for now is that...
Very good, Neil.
It's hard.
It's hard to counter-bake in just one position.
Baking powder and ginger in there.
You can add a little bit of vanilla syrup if you want, but I'd like to get this mixed up and then add it if I may.
Alright, this is important. We have to try and get it up.
No, no, I understand.
We finally won a challenge. I feel like we're like...
Well, they got disqualified, I think. Let's not get too excited.
They got disqualified?
Yeah.
Why?
Because they cheated.
They cheated?
I know. Who would do such a thing?
They watched a YouTube video on one of the parcels.
Really? Which one?
Uh...
Probably the same one we did.
What?
The same one that we avoided watching the rest
Which one's that the you and you one the one that was it?
You both know the rigged one. Yeah, did you guys watch the same one?
Watch the same one
Genuinely, I would never lie to the people at home. That's all right. Yes on record. You 100% was a video. I did not I
I promise I didn't watch the video Ted might have watched the video or maybe he didn't
May or may not have I don't know
I just like imagine Shiva watching this in a hotel room getting seriously angry getting
disqualified
I want you guys to know that I did not help them at all
Yeah that's true
That's good
Zero percent
I appreciate that
Courage is being passed to me guys I'm about it too
Was he really?
Yeah but I said nope it's not helping
I mean, I think when I was on the left shift, Kevin also was upset that I wasn't helping he does from the morning shift
We much more chill every sweaty try hard
They are indeed you can add a little bit of that. I don't know how much it says much
It says two tablespoons. Oh, no, that's vanilla sugar for three to four tears was light syrup
Yeah, grab your table spoon. It will say table spoon on it. No, it doesn't
Probably that. 15 mils is a tip.
Yeah, 15 mils.
So two of these?
Two of these.
This one...
Three to four.
Three to four?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, that's the one.
Oh yeah, that's a fish.
Holy...
That is viscous.
Well, everything's viscous.
It's just the amount of discuss.
Is it?
Is it?
Is it?
Is it?
You want to mix that one first?
No, no, Oshimole in there.
Honestly, this is way more interesting than the Dota we just watched.
Well, I mean...
There isn't really much to say about this game.
Kind of a stomp.
I do want to ask, though, just about that puck versus beast idea that they opened with.
Did you end up liking that?
Because I was trying to think about how they could have approached the draft differently.
What would you have liked?
I didn't like the puck opener.
What would you have liked?
Not the puck.
You want me to theory graph?
I mean, you're asking me what I would do?
Because I feel like the tricky thing with beast is it just goes everywhere.
Put a little squeeze in for bonus as well.
Well, it's not it's not a straightforward counter fake it's hard to
Because you kind of need to beat him in three different places and then the different positions he kind of does different things
Shit, I was thinking I can't help. I was thinking maybe bristle then
As a response drinking not really it but boom
I just like when I took my kids and it's not like a hard counter. It's like a good hero against me
but I feel like
Better than Puck, right? Because if you're chasing around a Beastmaster flex, you could chase it with a Bristol buck.
I mean, personally, I think based on absolutely nothing, except seeing it one time by Liquid,
I think Trian's a fraud.
Really?
I think Trian's a fraud. I think it's definitely overrated.
And I think you should be banning some second pick Beastmaster, Largo, SF.
And then the fourth ban, I think, is a bit depending on team.
I kind of like the bat against Thundra and I think you play against Triant.
With that said, I think Whitemon is probably one of the few people I wouldn't want to give
a broken version of Triant to.
But it didn't look that inspiring when I played it and I think unless you have a Triant specialist,
maybe you just play against that hero.
I think Beast is too hard.
I mean, I think this hero has been broken for years.
Alright, but did it look like it lost to Largo?
Right?
So Triant lost to Largo.
Lost to good?
Maybe it wasn't trying to be fraudulent, but Largo being too hard to deal with.
That's a good thing for everybody to think about during the break.
Over there.
I want to be where the party's coming
I would take our time to know you well
No need to ask the night as I work
You're all afraid, time to leave your stress behind
I like the way you move your thing
I want to see you do it tomorrow
Ain't no words that you describe
The feeling that comes over me
Cause I know just how to dance
While you're headed to the night
So dance tonight, won't you get it
Into the groove
It's the perfect kind of night
Can make all you feel true
So dance with me
You wanna leave those cares behind
Let this party go on
And on and on
Dance, dance, dance like
Dance night over there
Last night we fall out
Get into the groove
There's a perfect kind of the land
And they taught you to control
So come with me
You want to leave those kids alive
Let this party go on
And I can go on
I'm so into you girl
You feel the groove
I'm so into you
You feel the groove
Stop the music
Just let the music, just let the music take control of you
Just leave, just feel the fight to the music
Just leave, just let the music take control
Just let them use it for the sake of what they want to search
Anything to do
I do not just wonder why
Anything so fair be long
Sleeping in those holes I feel in my mind
Every time I feel you cross
Make it so hard as fuck
If you just can't control
Just watch the queen to fly
I feel like I'm on a hot, I just can't be sweet
Girl, you know that it's so easy, so easy
To love, just to do it all
I'm feeling really, really, really lonely
My body wants my chance to leave
Just move your body to music
Just leave, let the music take control of you
Just leave, just move your body to music
Just leave
I guess, well, 175 degrees Celsius.
Well, it's like nice and warm in there, Wulkenbosche, man.
Where's my hose?
I'm focusing on something right now, all right?
Sure.
We made it with three does.
I don't know.
Oh, I'm doing it.
10 to 12 minutes until they're light brown.
AHHHH!
Whoa.
Ted, more gently. More gently.
Silence!
I don't know how to bloody get the baking sheet.
And have I gone the wrong way around?
No, I don't think so.
Oh wait, yeah, wait.
You reckon?
What's that on top of the dough?
Oh, it's a cookie.
That's cookie.
Uh, chocolate. Can you write that down?
That's a cookie.
Alright, well since Neil isn't here, I will do his favorite thing
and call out the bands for all of you guys.
Please do.
Bethnoom team have banned out Beastmaster, Batrider, and Shadowfiend,
and Tundra has responded with Tree and Protector, Tusk, Largo, and Razor.
Yeah, what do you think about those bands?
They have great bands. You can't beat the Beastmaster.
It's like, take it out, 100% that Largo themselves.
They called you last year, like, you're not going to play this.
Here he is.
Oh, you are going to play this hero.
Did they play this hero on Batrider?
Yeah, I've seen Miro play it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think generally speaking, Miro plays like anything that's good in the meta, he will play and he'll play decent.
So there was no bluff to be called, but rather a heads up ban.
Ten minutes on that.
Don't play against the frog.
The gang is back.
How was your baking experience?
It was warm, it was pointy warm.
That's not enough.
Put 12 on. 12 on the clock.
Put 12 on the clock.
Don't worry about that, give him 15.
15 on the clock.
A hundred hours!
On the clock.
Let's do 15.
Twenty minutes.
I'm giving it until the end of this draft and it better be done.
It will not be done by the end of this job.
It better be done.
So, Trio Protector Tusk Largo? No.
Beastmaster Batten SF Band, but that was the Shadow Demon through,
which apparently is the most terrifying hero in Dota.
Okay, if Batboom do not ban Tiny,
I am getting out of this chair and I'm walking off that.
Oh, okay.
This has been Tunkrat.
Okay, they ban Tiny.
I can stay
What about Ember?
Ember...
I'm not as offended if they wouldn't have...
actually they don't ban Ember
I think Tiny at this point it's like...
Especially against Tundra?
Yeah, I mean specifically against Tundra
I feel like it's just completely illegal
Do you fear the Chen?
Or have you solved the components of the last draft that you were worried about
which is the Beastmaster and the Tiny?
I mean I feel like Beast and Tiny are integral to like
Coddle synergies that they had. I mean Mira mentioned it. It's part of why the support duo can work and why it comes together kind of nicely
They've taken both of those out. So now the question to Tundra is like, so what is your like plan B?
Phoenix, that's very fine for you.
I love Phoenix. They love Coddle Phoenix. They love creating this wall of unkillable heroes with all of this sustain. Yeah
Why did it mean it's an okay hero against ST? ST has like some stuff against you in the lane
but as the game progresses, it doesn't really have any good interactions against Phoenix really.
Fifty bands? I can't believe there have been that many games.
We've done a lot of games. We've had two group stages.
It almost feels like an entire other tournament, group stage one.
We've had a hundred and sixty-one games of Dota.
Wild. It's like a baseball season.
Are we squeezing into two weeks? What are those lazy bums doing?
That's some hamster.
So, Coach Jeff underscore O-W shout out to him,
he tweeted at me that the reason why you wear those long sleeve things,
is to reduce the friction between your wrist and the mouse pad.
Oh, that's what they're used for.
That's like, told you.
Yeah.
That's why I always wear long sleeve shirts under.
We get the Bat-Boom-Miero cam again, so we can see what we're referring to.
He was wearing a thing on his arm, and we were positing, is it for elbows, is it for wrists?
There he is.
Show your arm, Mero.
It turned out to be for sensation.
Can Mero please lift up his arms so you can see it?
Can we, production, tell Mero to raise his right arm above his head.
Edmunds, please pause the traffic.
I feel like Mero's not respecting our wishes right now.
Unbelievable.
Oh, oh, oh!
He's hitting it further from the end.
No.
He's probably rubbing it on his mouth.
Oh!
Hey!
Thank you, Mero.
He's like, alright, alright, I'll do it for you guys.
Thank you, Miro, we appreciate it.
So, uh, they did lose that game.
They did.
And, uh, Aiden's a washed-up X-Pro, so I don't think it actually works.
Mice will just feel the sensation.
I can feel his eyes burning into me.
That's another sensation.
Alright, so, Kez here, I personally have not been a big fan of seeing Kez picked
just into absolutely nothing.
It seems like a little bit of like a
we don't really know what to pick situation
and Kaz is what they came up with.
So now I feel like for Beptum, I really like Tidehunter.
Every time we've seen Tidehunter and Kaz,
it's really, really good.
And I would like to see that as a next pick here.
Yeah, and Ursa as well. Ursa owns the Kaz.
Ursa is still in the draft.
A lot of Kaz counters.
Is there a mid Kaz potential?
I've seen Wagamama play it
like, a long time ago when I used to still play Dota.
Ancient times.
Hmm.
He was, he was a Kaz mid enthusiast.
But out of the pro players, I don't really think I've seen anyone play it.
Do you think he could do mid lane?
Cause like, I remember when Monkey King,
people would, like he was always a carry, he was a carry.
And people started running at mid.
And it was like, oh, actually this is really strong.
I feel like Monkey King is more...
What? That's into the Kaz?
But the one player that we have seen win that matchup was Miro.
He did say he thinks it's a 60-40 in favor of cats
Yeah, I'm not a fan of that thing. I feel like tight hunter. I would have liked or solid near said is okay
I think or some 18 for example would be really nice
But yeah, they they feel confident could be made Mars egg. It could be mid Mars
But I really don't think so. I
I think right now what you see is what you're going to get. That's kind of what it looks like.
When Nero beat Kez with his Mars, he had a ringmaster 4, which I feel functions differently to a Shadow Demon 4.
Like Shadow Demon is a great hero for setting up Mars' spells, but it doesn't poke as nicely as Ring does.
If you want to poke very often, and then maybe try to commit to the code.
There's a lot of Shadow Demons that I don't want to be throwing around their poison stacks too much early game.
Way too much well now.
Yeah, you know what I'm noticing. We talk a lot about the double minus armor synergy.
Well yo, there's minus armor. You bring it up more than we do.
The mana synergy?
I feel like I have like 12 years of you guys bringing it up to like make up for.
Minus armor?
Uh, but there is the healing synergy in this other draft.
They had Chen plus Kato in the first game. Kato went holy lock it and they had mechanism on the Chen.
On top of the Chen ultimate.
In a way.
And healing on top of healing is actually not necessarily better than just healing in-of-itself.
There's no inherent synergies, but the healing strategy is from Tundra Esports coming out.
Shadow Ward plus Illuminate, and then Raptor Dance on top of that?
It's just healing on top of healing on top of healing.
How do you kill them? This is what Largo has taught us about Dota.
You kill them with minus Armaniel!
What about the mana healing?
And the cooldown healing.
Oh yeah, two kinds of healing.
I love a Coddle plus Storm Strap.
The old Battery Strap.
They're quite squishy though, the Tundra Heroes.
I don't look at any of these Heroes and think,
yeah that Heroes is going to be really comfortable running in first.
That just doesn't exist right now.
Tom's in a decent place though, isn't he?
I mean, he can escape a reasonable amount of this stuff.
Also, if I'm Ember, and I get this pick on 18, and I'm landing in Storm, I also see Warlock plus Caudo surprise, I'm happy. This is the time of my life.
Yep, there's very little threat to the Ember in this game. Kind of similar to game 1, where this puck didn't really have massive issues until the Tiny and the Stuff came online. The support matchups are good for it, means happy to play into them.
You got a bamboo musk here, I think.
But I think the question for Ember becomes like once Caudal gets like Reeves or you know glimmers and stuff come up or what a lot
Can he actually kill anyone and to be honest he has decent follow-up in this game
I mean Mero is saying who could go in first you could you could you could send a brewmaster in here for Sondra
33 likes to play brewmaster. It does like to play brewmaster
He also has a brewmaster since then tours. His doom that he has been
quite a fond of recently well forever actually bringing it back a little bit
the thing about bruise his initiation isn't that clean it's not a blink sun
it's like a blink thunder crop primal split but if you're going in with your
storm simultaneously like he's a friend you go in maybe that's enough I feel
like that on regardless won't really look for initiation rate if you like
Clicks blink in his shop, but Midas appears in his inventory.
So for him specifically, I feel like that's less than a factor.
They're gonna probably just like try to find some sort of Teamfight President's frame
or some hero that scales well with farming.
You can tell Moon Mander's like really, he's like, oof.
They're going through the list of heroes, yeah.
I'm pulling out all the pages and they also need to protect
because the Betboom team still need to get their Curitichero.
It's not gonna be Morta, it's not gonna be Ursa.
I mean I think there's a band I just like versus Kaz. I feel like it's been proven to be a good matchup through multiple tournaments.
Please don't pick a bad one. They will. Please don't pick a bad one. They will.
Hmm...
Someone says it's a bad one. Oh!
I think we saw this carry matchup the other day.
Kaz Vs. then?
Yes. And then...
Damn!
Sven just kind of got manned up on and killed, like it just did not go the way you think it would.
Well, and I think the parry continues to complicate the matchup quite a bit.
The BKB doesn't allow you to just play freely the way you want to.
Right.
Were they equal in that worth?
I can't remember, but it just looked like Kaz can actually overwhelm you.
Do you think it's good for Sven?
I mean, I would have a hat says Dean exactly what you guys thought.
It's just like you think about burst damage away Sven has it and he has more crime armor
Cuz it's all physicals on keeper
It sounds like it should work, but if you guys thought failed and there's definitely something going wrong there or it's that good my
Recollection is that Sven generally likes to be able to kill someone in one stone your hundred to zero dead and between
Raptor dance Ravens Vale Perry. He just couldn't
efficiently get like three cleave shots you're done it might be one of those
things or if he has added stun on his team and he can burst on Kaz then it
looks good but in a vacuum maybe it's just weaker I mean fun is a lot weaker
than he used to be yeah so maybe the ideas are on Tim or just not correct
he has good synergies with his innate though they have like a billion
stuns on their team he does 30% more damage to stun targets now the
vanquisher around that out last night when I played Sven pretty cool I didn't
know about it. Who plays Sven? Who is Sven? What is Sven? Why is he... He's a rogue knight.
Or the rouge knight, depending on how you spell. And he is going to lose this game.
I actually think that Ben's draft looks a bit stronger. I don't know how the
execution's gonna go, but I'm less inspired by Tundra's draft in this game too.
Sven needs his whole family along with him. Let's see if he gets it in game number
2 with Cap and SVG.
Oh, dear A3, we're gonna see that versus Kez again.
Didn't work out for all of them.
He got stunned through his BKB many times that game.
Yes, and lost the man fight horribly.
Yes.
match looked incredibly Kaz favored. However, chain stun could change it. If you can lead
off on the Kaz with some of your other stuns in this game and then the spend jumps, I think
that does help the situation.
It could also be a net worth matchup. Maybe the matchup is a lot better if you're on
even net worth, which that game they were not. But it was so bad that I don't really
believe that it's a net worth difference you know like maybe maybe uneven net worth
or maybe you need to be ahead it'll look better but I'm not convinced it's
actually an answer to the hero no I'm not convinced either now like there really
is an answer because you know I'm just trying to do your best and hope you can
out execute your opponents on the macro level in terms of as opposed to hero to
hero well I do like the game for GPK here though I think he's set up for
Success has some nice damage follow-up as some other faster merchants can play with and he's against the lineup with
Very little locked out for him. If he does not get to this game. I do not see how he dies
Still comes back to the macro though, right
Yes, because if you don't beat them on the macro, they're just going to itemize their way according to dealing with the image
Of course, that's why I still want to see that boom step up here in game two
And those are some with justice across the map in terms of you know xp these lanes well
Give yourself a nice early lead and punish this
Slow weaker support door because this support though is definitely weaker than jacquero of shattery
Warlock title takes some time to get going
They want to play the static lines. They're not roamers. They're not gonna go big and gank them or anything crazy like this
They're not gonna snowball the game. They just want to slowly build up their farm their net worth their stacks
the XP with the wisdom tribes. So if you get off to a faster start here lane wise
just execution. You're in good shape to continually find some more damages in this
game especially playing through the ember on mid. It's a really nice point to just
put the chains into the storm, put chains into the, because follow it up with
some ice bath, macro, demonic purge, you know Mars combo whatever it is. It's
This is a very easy kill threat, this came from Bedbook, so I think they adjusted well after he won.
It's weird, they have like weaker supports on Tundra, but they still don't have a save, is it?
Which means that this kill combo of the Gikiro Ember Spirit can be very effective around the map,
and they already start things very early.
That's the exact kind of thing you want to see.
Like, take advantage of the fact that Tundra are not going to make moves here,
they're not going to respond well, and their lineup is pretty greedy.
You have to win the early game.
They have a lane ward.
Uh, how did he get in the position to punish him in the first place?
Because he just boots on J'Kyro.
He's too fast, you know.
I think PZM was getting chipped out anyway.
Most of that kill was just a product of GPG.
He did well on this lane in the early portion.
Right, get him here.
One final hit and it is enough.
Another kill for Kato-Omi.
You said GPK is well set up to
Give bet boom good chance to win here. Yeah, looks like he just started getting arrested. He showed on the river
Right as a GPK ran it
Bzm
But GPK is set up for six deaths and Katz Olme's stepping it up
Perhaps this is the winning formula the two in the five position
You can definitely use some damage this game.
You should not be afraid of anything here.
You should just look for all opportunities in the first 15 minutes if you're good at
them.
The more you pressure these heroes as well, we talked about how do you deal with Tundra's
stacking efficiency, their economy, and games.
I think one of the best ways to do it is to create pressure on the lane so that
every time this Caudalese to go stack, Doom is dealing pressure.
Or there's a mid-gank going off or you're chasing him in blocking camps, but you don't want to just trade out
Them stacking for nothing. There has to be an exchange for these
I'm telling you he's gonna die here does take quite the chase between 33 and R.I.
Waterroom does get grabbed on one side GBK those gonna get sandwiched here hit by the retina it turns around with a
Flame Guard, there's a chance! Nah, too much physical damage, despite the Flame Guard protecting him.
That's a big kill to get here. Puts the Storm right back in it.
Extra experience for this Caudal. Nice little double kill effectively for our hero.
There's a level 2 Caudal here. I think it's some small plays happen.
back on the 33 he's mega slowed down should go down here is the unit because
you're all actually finished off Miro so both off laners will die once feel on
the pain from the Keds and the others feel in the pain of the Jekiro and the
storm spirit was so low on resources he couldn't return back to lane so
efficiency sake Ari kind of has to try and lane in mid and GBK on the return
and runs it down pretty easily.
Much more chaotic game.
It's probably what Bethel wanted in Game 1.
They just didn't have the earliest spell power to play maybe you could get it.
Here they're getting it.
They can continue to hunt the Storm Spirit.
Yeah, you probably don't need to help out the Sven too much though.
Save. Playing pretty far forward here.
Setting up GPT.
Well, if all else fails, this will at least slow down the Storm Spirit jumbling.
I got a courier and took their baton.
There's still a lot of room for GPK.
Oh, it's handy.
Give Lotus to BZM.
So, look for that.
He does have a lot of magic wand charges and a Lotus, plus a full bottle.
Disruption goes down. Go for the support instead.
Ari, he gets blown up pretty damn quickly here.
I like that Batboot didn't, you know, overly focus on BZM.
I like what they're doing, third.
Forcing attention into this mid lane with the Ember Super strong is the best hero for them to play behind.
Should win the power rune here as well, they're limiting the Storm's experience because the ports are now reaching it.
Took pressure off of the side lanes.
The Sven's gonna enjoy the solo XP.
Can't be able to translate it into earlier Ancient Farm.
Absolutely free farming down here. This is what you want right now.
If you're Beth Moom, just keep dragging Thunder into bad fights.
Their supports do not want to end up skirmishing mid.
This early especially.
Not fun for this Warlock Coddle.
At least the Coddle has some good synergy with this storm.
Trying to help defend his power.
I think he's dead again here maybe.
Still has that Lotus, but he is just surrounded by heroes.
getting hounded and I almost wonder if Tundra at some point need to call in some
reinforcements from the cores. Who though? I mean I don't know. I mean Gez is still
an effective hero, free level six. It's just ember mid, like you don't want to TP in here
unless you have locked up on him. That is only from the doob or her.
Big 32 would consider it at this point.
And now it hits six.
He has Purge creep plus two.
So that's telling the GP cast to think about it.
He's really trying to amp the pressure up here
and go for another kill before this storm hits six.
Is it clear for that wave?
They don't.
Stun hitting pure, R is gonna be the other side and push him back into pure.
Blood grenade, slowing down, keratage, keratage, TP away.
Yeah, there's no stuns.
Easy life.
Got mid tower off of this sequence as well.
So now the Ember...
He could rotate down to this bottom skirmish if he wanted to fight it, but I just bailed.
Save doing his best just to prolong this death, make Tundra work for it.
Since I have 15-1 charges, he will not use it.
Another rune for GPK.
Storm Spirit does finally get level 6 off the creep wave that killed the tower.
Alright, now the storm's 6, and you've taken the mid tower.
Do you stop the pressure on mid?
Do you go back to the side lanes, or do you still go for it because you've got slight changes into my spell?
Just not a lie, you're going to do the easy end at this point.
So you have more levels on Ember?
Just starting to hope you have higher change points.
I think you're supposed to look for skirmishing elsewhere now.
With this duo.
So how about Kiritage in the bottom lane?
Miro is actually good at being the one to try and help them out.
Quick retreat though.
Tentra just getting a reaction out of bed though.
They're going to rotate the Ember here though,
and it's still going to catch something.
Truly hard work out well.
He's going to be the one to die for all this, easy on charges for GPK there.
Going to early phase boots too over rush in the vessel.
Goes right back to pressuring the storm chair where he can.
That's maps tough to play for Tundra. They're going to rotate the Mars through the gate.
Kez is swiftly out of there.
They get some stacks up for spend and another powerful for GPK. This early game is going to be very solidified for them.
Greed for Tundra. Definitely heard of them on this one.
A little bit behind, of course.
This team never falls too far behind.
Do have Golem available, too.
And Doom. It was never used here in the early game.
So again you don't want to really dive to your ones here if you're the the GPK
Ember spirit. You're just gonna get turned around on very quickly.
10-minute power on big one gets denied our team room.
I don't know if Ari should have been allowed to do that. I don't think so.
and he gets away with it.
So we're gonna take away...
Oh, the cookies are done.
Time to check out these...
monstrosities that Ted created.
Uh-oh, they're laughing. That's not a good sign.
Oh, Lord!
Those don't look good.
They really don't look good.
Oh, get back to that in a minute.
Oh, Jesus.
Stats?
Not fighting the connection, though.
I feel like I've really found a lot of action here.
I'm surprised they didn't bring something to the kez earlier in this game. I think that was the point of attack.
Get a re-up here for a long time.
Yeah.
And now your ember's kind of behind this storm in terms of levels.
Which is awkward considering the storm's a storm hat here.
Yeah, the supports have been hanging around him too much.
much. He also didn't fight this bottom tier one. He gave up your safe lane power for free in this game.
So I also kind of disagree with like why are you getting Tundra's subjective without a fight?
I mean you're so much stronger in this early game.
Just Tundra things. They stalled out the early momentum. This game's turning into a farm fest
now. You're not getting that snowball action. It's gonna maybe come down to how many stacks
you can accumulate first spend and push him ahead of the Kez here.
Anytime he's...
Time limited here. Oh, hit him from behind, though!
Can't parry that.
Pure still managed to get away because there's more than one tool in the immense toolbox that is, Kez.
The one play for Tundra they can make is to go mid and try to do mid December.
Oof, he's going into 33.
Just the damage for this? The Sphemistor here?
No God strength though, he's tanky.
He's gonna be slow, but they will get the kill.
Can they take the rest of the fight?
Easy end-shipping game, spends a lot of mana,
not to get a whole lot of damage on anything.
Yeah, this is just gonna be run down
of Tundra Heroes.
Nice pushback actually stops the Sphemist,
so he'll miss out on being a part of this kill.
Easy.
I thought this doom was gonna be a little tanky,
but he has no armor.
That's just really good. Plus Purge creep no Ice Armour or anything.
Kind of just gets chocked. Yeah, he's got no stat items.
Just raw boots of bearing.
The doubt on his build up here, not as tanky as getting some earlier survivability.
Gets punished there.
But even to HUD's heritage, they really do not want to spend an Anciy for free in this game.
It's such a tough kill. It don't have its damage.
Got him at the Ravensvale, but Cure's not fast enough to catch up to him.
Didn't golem in there, kind of interesting.
I just, the second stun make a difference?
No, but of all the times it's torn, we see people just throw the golem for garbage.
It felt like an opportunity to just throw it and kill him great if not, you get to farm.
Wow.
Considering how weak their supports are, I actually feel like you need that golem threat
for future fights that that boom they're gonna take against you you know what
future fights are going by this will do no but that one's gonna run at you
aren't they feel like they should well they're trying right here we're trying
to take the wisdom shrine I like this setup they got here nice and early get
to plant themselves on the high ground you run into this you're gonna get
Macri-Pyrid in the face.
Oh, he went to stack.
I was like, how did he know?
He was just trying to stack.
Now the golem's gonna get dropped.
The golem doesn't stop the wisdom shrine from being taken.
He'll kill the jikiro.
He didn't get the Ember spirit.
Got a silence on him.
Got a bash on him.
Oh, I know, Shawty.
He jumps away.
He's a mortal, but unless the doom is there,
there's no way GPK does.
Just impossible.
So, with some trinket weapon, that's definitely worth it there.
I think XP Advantage going their way.
Nice four levels, continuing to grow here.
Well, I mean, if this game continues this trajectory, this will be spent with a network
lead over Kez, and we'll get to see what the Smash board looks like, yeah, from position
he is supposed to be in.
Arguably against anything.
I think this is where you always want to go.
Wipe on, you have been demonic purged, Fister.
Rest in pieces.
You're up very far. He won the tower.
You will not get the tower.
They will not get the golem.
No gold for you.
Says golem. Golem be gone.
Whatever happened, I mean.
Golem get ye gone?
Yeah, well
That's a very old meme that's all that's a good meme though. We should bring it back
I have to bring gods back
Yeah, why was it against him? I always thought it was unfair
In the history of this game where there's been infinite amount of people with terrible posture at various points
To take a selective photo and then make him the poster child is he's tall
Is that why yeah tall people
posture just looks worse
Also, it was like a
Hard not to make that mean he's all surely right. Yes
Should they say anything to that or just in just checking you know, we're checking just doing some math in my head
Okay tall and all surely
Yeah, I'll let you do the all you come to the answers on our I don't know what you're talking
about.
I don't think I want to know where you're going.
There he is.
That's all I'm going to say.
Two thousand net worth lead for bbd bobby.
Yeah, but who has more stacks?
That's fine.
Who has created more stacks?
Well, it's always time to rip, but that we do have shattered even so I assume that
They have done some stacks. They've only done it once.
Save has stacked one time.
Unchatter me.
That's unheard of.
What's he been doing?
They got BZM.
Oh, BZM's hit the way to the left, and it looks like...
Oh, GPK was there to collect, and now he's trying to chase down Pure.
You know what's exactly where he is.
He did have a sentry in the middle of the lane, so...
That helped.
I don't know if to get the kill, though.
Got a TP out of 33.
It's all just base for spendering on it.
You believe spend compared to this game, then?
What's currently happening is fine.
Do you believe that's tanking KT?
Uh, no, but I also don't really believe in the Greaves build on Storm.
Yeah, you had a problem with that.
More and more I see this, the more I really dislike it.
This is such a bait, no?
I think this will be the attack speed number one.
I think it does.
Attack speed very important for Stormscape.
It really hurts you over the long run.
I also think buying the extra armor doesn't do anything, buying the healthy one.
The Dispel is good against Emperor though.
Yeah, I get the idea with the Dispel.
I don't know. I just don't like it. It doesn't...
Yeah.
What's the verdict, Bob?
Yay or nay?
Good? Okay, alright.
Oh, he has his greens.
Kill them.
Kill them.
BZM?
Oh no!
He doesn't have...
Okay, he actually does.
Greens helps you to stay alive there, goodness.
Come back into the arena.
They do have the Kez in the middle of the arena.
Okay, Kiritich just take the fight to him, he gets buried and he's just like nope, I don't want any of that.
They're all bots right now.
Okay, he goes back in, hits a big cleave that almost kills the Caged GPK here to finish him off.
What a hit from Kiritich. Man, the patience on this guy.
Ah, the cleave finished off Whitefond as well. That was nasty.
I can't believe Kiritich, he backs off and I'm like, what the hell is he doing?
And then he fights a sick opportunity, he gets another kill on top of that.
Damn, what a fight.
And Gear Stitch is really impressed this tournament, he's kind of a Gear Stitch fan.
He has stepped up a bit, very consistent, and he will deliver with the extra net worth
he's accumulated here, he binds his moment to jump back in, looking like a rough fight
with everybody bonds, you had the Doom Dirt still alive.
But again, the greed from Pundra, this Doom Build is not really paid off, he died early
on bottom, wasn't tank, he hasn't been involved in anything.
And then in a fight like this...
He has vitus.
He has boots of varying vitus.
Right there. BOOM!
That is a lot of damage.
You basically almost killed the kez off the cleave alone.
I assume they were heads in it because they had a nasty fatal bounce in them?
Yes. That's why that fight looks like it's hard to regain her.
I'm telling you, surprise Tundra are fighting that aggressively.
You do a test of kez, you have greased the arm.
At the same time you have Mightest Doom, who's kind of just wants to chill, you're trying to get to BKB on Kesson's game.
How strong really were you there? Versus a line of her bedroom that is just by all early fighting items.
There's the camp stack, still a huge advantage from time to time.
Huge advantage for bedroom to kills and the objectives.
So the edge guard for Shatterty.
Correct. I don't always get it wrong.
This is going to be impossible.
Alright, let's give up here. They have a nice lane ward.
Get the damage though. Probably not.
There's the DKB for the big bush band.
He's ready to cook.
Level 18 as well.
Level 3 God strength.
Already online here.
The power of clearing the ancients.
He is five levels ahead of his carry counterpart in the Kes.
The only thing they really have to stop him from swinging on ya.
It got the Kes bash and the goal and that's it.
Well and of course the will of Gabe.
Roche?
No, like you can pray to Gaben.
Maybe he'll save you.
I don't think Gabe's saving anybody.
He's saving somebody.
I mean, he's got all those submarines and stuff.
I don't know.
He's saving the ocean animals.
What if he had saved those other guys who were in the trap submarine?
Like imagine you're in a
sinking ship or something and
those submarine walks up and
It's Gabe Duel. He just gets out. Hello. I'm Gabe Duel.
What the hell's software on top of this?
Here's an oxygen tank. Wow, thanks, Gabe.
Here's another oxygen tank for your wife. Wow, thanks, Gabe.
What about one for my child? I'm sorry, I don't do threes in each lease.
He presents you with five oxygen tanks.
One of these is 10% full. One of these is 20% full.
But the ultra rare is a hundred percent cold. No, you can't they can't do that in certain countries
Yeah, watch out for the zoo boxes
That's right they're going after him for another waste of taxpayer money
All I've learned is you don't you don't go after now. It's not a wonderful event
There's a god strength for nothing
Because he wasn't happy with his loot box
Or he was? Perfect dodge-trink, you should straighten the Roshan.
Anybody home on Tundra? Nope, they're all farming.
He went in. It's one of those games.
It spawns bottom too.
This is one of those games where I watch it. Tundra should go to this game, you know?
Yep, yep, yep.
So you're looking at net worth and they're like,
They might win this game, because they're probably the better team form-wise right now, and they can execute some weird lines, but I don't know what they're supposed to do.
They've got Doom, but Doom doesn't do much to spend.
One thing, if you have a really farm carry and Doom screws over the carry really hard.
Whitemon got the tower. He gave his life for it, but he got the tower. Miro.
He does have a lot of heals, but there's still heals. He did not count up all the disables he used.
A lot of curses, too. That's a message.
I think his map should collapse for Tundra pretty fast here.
Let the reds start starting to mount.
Start to look for some solo plays and let Ember control lanes.
It's gonna constrict pretty quickly here.
You gotta start looking for something here, Tundra.
You have BKBL do.
There's only so much you can concede map control here for the greed element of your lineup before
some impact has to be felt, especially from 33.
Too quiet of a game for how rich he is.
We even seen a single room, I don't think we have.
Why didn't he skill this?
I'm kinda surprised he even skill this.
He skill stats, right?
I'm sure he'd have like 300 more bolts.
Actually, if Price doesn't use it on something like just doom of ancient gold.
Ancient gold?
I mean, it's probably 5% faster, right?
Some things are too far.
There are some things we do not sacrifice in the Altar of Efficiency.
And he gotta do them on cooldown.
Oh, nice PKB!
He doesn't want to do that guy though.
So that is a PKB down. That's an opening here.
They have Godstring to 20 Arena in 10.
He also already used the last, so if you... even if you can't find an opening
to kill Tundra, still take objectives, definitely take something here.
You should assume that Tundra is going to go back to jungle, try and dodge it.
I can even see a high ground poke.
Want a Godstring for it? Not an efficient play.
I was scared to drew the line bottom take the other tier 2 out of the equation
gold lead hasn't grown here classic tundra dota and gpk does have a little trap set up
here though require Miro to go through the gate which they do have vision so they're
They're actually going to try and kill Miro. They are.
Steve comes through with them here.
And Miro right on top of the support.
Steve is going to die almost immediately.
Miro is going to be low off of this one.
GpK now shows up here with the rest of his BKB.
Hopes to kill Miro. Pops his ult.
He will be able to run down the Mars.
Here comes Heritage though.
And Miro whining in the trees.
Oh no.
Oh he's dipping away. He's dipping away.
He's going to get out.
Not a bad opening for Tundra.
No, not bad at all.
33 ran in with no BKB, just died to spend, that was not great.
Didn't literally nothing in that fight for $13,000 at worth.
Then it's had his number this time around.
The rest of the fight, not too bad though.
He does the charges here.
Got some galvanized stacks.
Daedalus is about to be done for the spin.
His Aegis is about to expire though.
So, we got one tier two out of this and a little bit of net worth, nothing amazing.
Oh, what a stun!
DZM, smart play zipping past the power room against a Jirai.
reason he's still alive.
Well this is Kiritage's game to carry right now because a Daedalus completed a little
20 massive advantage over the Kez in terms of timings right now.
Oh I would love to see him just like two shot Kez.
That would be really cathartic to watch.
It's close.
I think I found out here more.
I got right alongside of that.
That clean hit is going to be a nuke.
Don't love the game getting quiet though.
Yeah, every time it rolls, that's time for Tundra to try and get to another set of items
here.
Yeah.
It's gonna be Lincoln soon for Pure.
Something flying out for GPK or what are the...
He's trying to finish Lincoln.
He's very close to it.
Probably gonna be a lot of Lincoln's build-ups here.
Yeah.
Stormy's clearing out midway, but Kirito G.S. plans, kind of looking.
I feel like Bethany's just too skittish, you know?
They don't have the vision on the map.
I think some of their wards got killed and they don't have deep enough ops to set some
of these plays up.
Now you get some deep lane wards.
I know all of a sudden you have more information, you can set up pick offs on some of these
side lanes find some of these heroes killing neutral creeps on the side of the map right now
there's just no sort of honey auction going on so you're not building the leak
you think uh i thought that time where the gem would be a fine buy so i'm trying to
defend this going backwards from the spend i'm not going to give the opportunity for tundra
that's why you gotta be wary you can't get lillden thinking that tundra isn't going to do
Anything I do something now with God strength on cooldown. They have Lincoln's on the kez and aggs on the collar
So nice little item time is here trying to get to you fight
I'm gonna go to try and get it though. No Roche available
No clear objective to fight for you pretty much have to run the map and try and find spend farming an ancient camp or something
play your best bet
They have words they can get out they have one arms
That boom. Playing very smart. Spotted the ward drop.
So I know some of the smoke action is happening here around mid.
Playing on the high ground is just chill.
If the fight comes to them, while they have a high ground advantage, then maybe they take it.
But otherwise, wait for God's strength and use that God's strength for the next Rosefire.
Very good restraint from them.
God strength backup though.
Let's see what this respawn is.
It's two minutes, holy.
That's good for Tundra.
So how's life?
What are you asking me, man?
I'm doing nothing.
Why is he defensive when I have very few personal questions?
Cause it's weird.
You don't know me.
I think I do actually.
Oh yeah?
Yeah.
Oh yeah?
Yeah.
You think you do huh?
Think you're some big man.
No one people huh?
I asked you who the big man was earlier.
If you need to ask who the big man is, you know, smoke breaks on our...
He's found to find something.
Better for Tundra that he finds his support.
Oh man, on a horse.
Didn't stand a chance.
There's no place against giant swords.
Oh, 33, you've farmed one too many ancient camps.
Oh, this I can get banned until the Harpoon!
And he was
It's a rough game. I feel like this doom is not worked out for me this patch
I mean was it Quinn said early, you know, he's got his bundle of heroes. Yeah, I make doom one of them
I still feel like there's there's got to be some others that are
Just a little faster
Even tied hunter and most generic games I prefer him on
No, they're Tormentor. I'm surprised they're going to go Tormentor just because it's, uh...
Like, what if Roshan was up right now and Kondra took Roshan away from me?
Like, I don't think I care if I'm Bed Boom and Kondra take Tormentor, but if they take Roshan, that would be extremely bad.
They don't do it that fast. I think they're going to go up there.
Yeah, maybe just gate and run up.
Going through the ground, making their way over, and Roche isn't going to spawn for another
two seconds, so...
Opportunity wasn't there for Tundra in the first place.
How are smoke, they're willing to fight.
That was maybe an opportunity, hard to get through that Lincoln's, but 33 does have the tools to do so.
I don't really know how you land a doom here.
You don't just land a doom on Mars or Ember here, the Ember has a Lincoln's.
There is a disruption of the gloomer in this game.
In fact, there's double glimmer cape for Saffzlore and that disruption to bail out a single target focus fight from Tudor, which their lineup is pretty dependent on.
Hunter is going to be the aggressors. They need to be the initiators, because as you said, got a Doom Ember or Mars, and Doom of the Mars is useless if Mars had already thrown out his arena spear combo.
Can Doom spend before God's strength somehow find that opening?
Sure. Look at all the coverage though, Pet Boon.
Getting all the high ground here. BZM jumps in, and they do drop the golem arrows,
already got off his BKB Eul's into Spear onto the Storm. Storm's gone.
Now jump forward from GPK. Still went in though.
Tundra is still trying to take this fight, which is surprising.
They doomed up the spend. They're gonna kill him with the kez.
Okay. That's something.
Spear doesn't hit the trees!
They actually had a chance there to kill Vakes.
But unfortunately, Miro, he threw the spear at a straight line and somehow did not clip the trees there.
They'll get other kills off of this, they still get the cans in the end.
These BKB just didn't last long on a first TP or what?
No, he cancelled it.
He cancelled it? Yeah.
Well that was a mistake.
Now they're gonna get wiped!
I saw nothing stop it, his death summary says he was not hit by anything.
I thought for sure, like, he TP's out, 33 runs away, they have two cores that live and they kill the spent.
That sounds pretty easy.
Yeah, I think we gotta see that one again.
I hear it was a solid train until he decided to stick around.
I like that you have zipping the storm in your place, you know, mortal high ground,
to pull this away to break this formation is just to get to call it.
Can't get back out
If you were doing this then you kind of works out
That kez gonna win that manfight in my life
Little I'm lucky with the tree line here. It's purge and I'm like, okay, that's fine. Yeah, totally just stop it
Oh my god, he stopped at the last point one second. I think he's like, oh, we can maybe turn this
I'm kind of baited them into looking past me. I'm gonna kill supports or something a cheeky idea
Yeah, I mean, there's no power in the rest of your heroes.
One's a Kotl, the other's a Doom who's already used his Scorched Earth and Doom.
Overestimating his strength a little bit there, he's got a different power, so I'm just like,
Yeah, you got me.
Congratulations.
Back at real time, GK fighting for the Wisdom Shines, I was taken by.
He's just invincible.
Blue GM.
Such a good Amber game.
Downside of the support duo.
R2 level 24 by the way, he is a monster.
As much as the spend is carried in this game, it's the ember that's going to cause you real late-game problems here with the 25 acts.
All the mesh damage that should rip you through your backline.
Hey, BGM, got his attack speed you were looking for?
That is so disgusting.
I'm actually lost for words.
Like, that is just fundamental, you know.
This is an unjustifiable place.
There is no just the game.
What if the game goes another 20 minutes?
I don't care, there's...
No way you buy 36 minutes, my display is full.
Take the road, Sean.
See if they can catch anybody, they caught the storm spirit!
That's why he needs Midas!
Well, that's why he could have had anything else, and potentially not have been caught, so this has already cost him gold!
I have already been justified in my complaints about this Midas.
He basically would have had to not get a single death, and Tundra's idea was we're gonna wrap this game and not touch enemy hero for the next 20 minutes.
And then I would agree with the item purchase. However, I disagree with that, this is even a fun amount of money.
Therefore, I think it is inherently bad, and I will stand by this until the end of time.
Sometimes his team is just too greedy, man. They take it too far. They deserve to lose this game.
There's no way you can win this game. It's a way they haven't spent up and played it.
Biomitis straight to jail.
I mean, they're just assuming that we're going to do nothing. They're not going to get mid, they're not going to play through the ember, they're not going to force objectives.
force objective supply
there's too many assumptions there
yeah maybe you can win this ultra late
nothing happens for a very long time
should you win a game of Dota like that?
if they go to gods would they know
here's doing what he can to put pressure on the top lane
there is another lane available for a month
still find a lot of farm so he
still has a shot to carry this
just off the kez power
gonna have to kill this ember at some point though
that's the trick
that's gonna wisdom shrine
almost 25, that's pretty nice
close, close
ohhhh
so close
that's the mightiest attack speed
you just get out of there without it
that's true
justify
I didn't mirror, uh, Juleson.
That is a good point, because he went Midas, not PKDs, so...
Yeah, but he couldn't use him. You're right, Midas was still terrible there.
He should have been punished.
He gave him overconfidence to fill the war with the extra attack speed we've even caught.
I would love to hear that legitimate excuse for somebody.
Oh, Midas gives me the attack speed. I need to kill Fjord fast.
Is that a frog croak?
Full refresher for the Mars, so a lot of control.
That's been the player out of these fights.
Satanic on the Spenny's up to 4000 HP.
These heroes are so tanky, man.
They're just gonna jam it through mid? I like this.
This is a very spent way to end the game.
If you can find the opening.
Sember did hit 25. Arcane run running with the Shiva's with the axe. He is...
It absolutely is.
You got everything you possibly want here. It comes easy. Oh, we tried to play Gilsum.
Gils is himself on accident.
Still look through here if you want. Give him a minute and a half on Aegis.
Gonna go back with the Ember.
Here he is. He's gonna go.
Jills the Doom right away. That's a good start.
Wait, wait, wait! I think he can finish him off!
Okay, got him on the sheath. His GPK can finish him off.
Got the chains on him. Pure did not hit the arena spear.
With a quick little cleanse there from the Ravensvale, Peer was able to get out of the
shackles and out of the AoE.
One minute left on the Aegis, and only so many seconds left on this gone-strength Kiritich.
Let's at least hit this tower a little bit.
Let's have Fybeck on the doom.
Thunder can take this fight.
God strength down, there's an opening.
Back to our protections, back up.
Nick got pushed in by DZM and he killed the bottom wave earlier so...
Ehh...
You have to back up.
Power of the Midas.
He did right click down those Siege groups pretty quickly.
Oh yeah, he destroyed them.
He's gonna get hacked!
That's a high ground defending tool!
Still can't catch him.
got was up some bounty rooms and they did not have to buy back the doom so
a successful lost fight for tundra as they hold on to their economy which is what matters the most
here that's true get richard died trying they are dying 31 to 12 in this game they've done a lot
to die. Get rich and die try it.
Hags done for the storm. There's a bit more team fight.
That Midas. Tick tock. 33. That Midas.
Oh my god. This is loss efficiency. You can be a 3A3 player. Oh my god the camps empty.
33. He's probably feeling this in his skull right now. He has to fight. Use the Midas.
Oh, didn't get the badge. Unlucky.
That was the first Doom initiation when he was seen, probably because he had two minus charges.
He's like, I got this up. He just lost his mind.
I have to hit an enemy. You're on it. BKB, he's going to spear this storm spear who quickly dies.
GPK shows up. Now I just erupt hit 33.
Demonic purge on pure.
He's gonna fight to take with no doom.
No do.
Got it!
Double spear!
That is beautiful!
GPK will clean up the kez, now goes after the two supports.
Miro another spear.
Miro spears, man.
Miro spears.
He's been cooking.
I've been cooking all this year.
10 characters shows up.
They're like, don't worry, bud.
We got you.
We can win fights without you.
He's all 25 with MKBE.
So, this damage is out of control.
The dammer has the Decker-Rendon technology refreshed for that fight.
And he's got God's strength to take out the rest of these buildings, so...
I think Tundra...
I'll be calling the GG here.
Yeah, if I just hit for a bit, I'm in.
If I just not possible, I'll be doing it.
Understandably, Tundra's like, there's no span.
You had to take any fight we can.
I had to take a risk at some point here to try and sell her something in the scheme,
But it'll be a slow crawl to Demons, cause there were not a lot of openings.
With God's strength, he should be able to get Magus, and Tundra if they want it.
Can you play out the game against Magus?
They have the hand of Midas after all.
That's right, they do have the Midas.
It would be a shame, cause, uh, when did he buy it?
He probably hasn't even made his money back yet.
No, he's not.
5 more seconds till the Tess is back up, ECM comes in, he's gonna be hit by an ice
bat here, and a spear, and everything else they have.
Another tomb is gonna be put on the spin, they're going to escort the spin out of here.
Really not a problem, cover him with ice bat, cover him with a spear, and lose to
I think here I'll lose the gym. Not that big of a deal. They got buybacks out of Tundra and they are one step away from death.
One last barracks remaining from Magus.
I did defend the Magus. I guess that's something here. Technically Roche is strong.
So there might be some concern here on the side.
This was a faster Roche. Hunter grabbed it here.
Technically a successful defense.
Swift blink for spend. That is when this hero is just completely out of control.
It's going to go in just annihilate heroes.
It doesn't- you can't do him.
I don't like doing anything that does anything in the world.
The hero doesn't care.
Well, it does seem to be their game plan.
Doom him and I think it has your attack him and they can't kill him.
I don't think only heroes can do him.
I think that's been the situation in most of the games.
You haven't been presented with any other human targets.
Yeah, you can't seem to doom the Embers here.
You can't get through his linkins, he's all over the place, way too mobile.
And the Mars is usually already used as kit, so...
Oh, it's time to reset it on the high ground.
He evaporates.
So now it's God Strength.
I think he gets one shot by God Strength.
Yeah.
God Strength Crit for sure.
God Strength Stunned Crit?
So I have to be some sort of Aegis Snatch here.
You have to contest this first.
There's no way you can get to the bedroom here.
Let's see what Tundra can muster.
They're going in. They have a Refresher Doom.
GBK looks to stop them here.
Okay.
Two does go out on this vent.
The Stormsphere is going to die immediately.
So you've got the Aegis Brather easily.
Nobody's contesting him for that one.
Here is going to try and take out that Aegis,
but a disruption goes down.
He gets the cheese inside to hit with the rest of his BKD, but now he's stuck!
Echo Slash goes out, Sven almost dead!
Got him on the ice pack, does not get off his ultimate.
Valiant's attempt.
There's just no way to catch a deal with this Emberspray, she's running!
I'll reimage over these fights then.
Sven just gets to sit there.
Yeah, you can do him, but again, so what?
You just sit there and hit your back.
Hazy just picks everything up.
That might just be the game here as Tundra can only mightish your way.
I have so many situations.
Dias middle tower is under attack.
Final Coke, Tundra.
Sphere back on the warlock couldn't quite finish Mafia, refresher for another round as BKB Arena catches all these heroes.
Do have the ultimate from Kaz to keep him alive a little bit longer, but he will ultimately still fall.
Big bad man in armor.
Ben, the rogue knight.
Not a nice name for purification.
I thought they were going to set themselves up better in game 2 after playing a drafting game one that just didn't give them the flay-o-penes or options that they wanted to kind of bring to this matchup against Tundra, get in their face, overrun them big, abuse their weaks, flow of support to it.
I think they did most of that. It wasn't super fast. It's not as fast and clean as we've seen from some of the better teams in the fed. But it's good enough that these drafts just fall apart for a ton of time. I don't really see the vision of it.
I get you have like a kez opener and kez does kez them.
The rest of the line just feels useless, not only is doing good in any of this game.
The combo combination with Storm felt way slower than the one with the timing,
especially since the storm got shrilling mid and your supports can't help you.
Your spawn is behind an experience, goes to grease build, not doing much damage,
you look at the Storm's itemization damage, it's grease might as well.
What is that? It's almost 4 or 5k network that is doing no damage.
So who's actually telling people in this game?
It's a bunch of Utodian heal and then...
That's it?
Breath of Life here for Beckboom, who's right on that cuss right now, 5th place, 2 and 3.
They can manage to win game 3 against Tundra.
Might just sneak into playoffs.
Long way to go though. Game 3 is still coming up.
Things are getting interesting in this series, and yes, Baboon Team could definitely use this
victory, because they are middle of the pack right now in terms of the standings.
They are 2 and 3 in this series, and Tundra is a 4 and 1, and maybe Tundra were able
to get away with flexing on the other opponents, but it seems like you can't just roll up
with a port duo, like a warlocked caudal, these heal stressed items, the illegal, the cops
will eventually catch you for these illegal strategies.
Yeah, the healing strategy doesn't go as hard as the minus armor strategy.
Shucks.
I feel like this game, caudal felt invisible, doom felt invisible, like they were not
really, like caudal I feel like compared to last game is just like there's no impact.
And I remember during the draft I felt like that were kind of picking weird matchups,
The redeeming thing about Bedlam's draft is their heroes are synergy. They come together nicely.
You can look at their spells and think to yourself like Sven's Towns, your hero spells on top,
or SD Amp, or SD spells on Demars. There's easy ways to see how these spells interact in a very positive way.
Whereas with Tundra, it's like, yes, Kaza's a good matchup, but he doesn't play that well with anything.
Stormcaughtle is good, but it's not the same as Tiny Stormcaughtle, and Doom, he's just Doom,
and what is he doing? He's not doing Sven. So, something about this synergies on Thunder's side
just didn't come together at all. I feel like the heroes just didn't interact in a positive way
whatsoever, and I feel like that's the main reason they struggled in this game too.
I agree with that. I really liked that from Straff. I thought it was very cool. I thought
their Ember and 18 looked really strong but what I think was even cooler than that is Miro picked
Mars into Kaz though like he really believes in himself with this matchup and he's calling for it
and he's taking the matchup on his terms with his SD and he's popping off like he was a big part of
why they were able to just roll roll them that game with his double spears his initiations
and not a lot of ofteners would call for okay I'm gonna counter pit myself online because I'm
better. That's pretty cool. GPK. Yeah. Three lexes for you, Neil. GPK. That's all you need to see.
What is this storm grief ship? Boring. I don't care. You don't do anything. He died like, pow,
pow. I guess that's the concept is that you took pow, pow as opposed to just pow.
One more hit, hypothetically, is the difference maker in a team fight.
That's my justification.
That's all I have to offer.
What was this?
It didn't look good at all from Tundra.
It didn't look good at all.
I felt that Bat Boom looked like
the far better team with this draft.
Oh yeah.
I think we were just saying,
I think this is a bad draft from Tundra.
They're definitely the better team.
They just need to pick like they are.
There seems to be a pattern though for Tundra
for not having good drafts on second pick.
Like on first pick,
they feel kind of unbeatable
but on second pick,
they lose pretty convincingly.
Hmm.
I mean, I think Neto in general has like this thing where, if you can pick a hero early on in the draft,
he becomes one of the best players in the world, or like one of the highest value players in the world, I should say,
because he has this quality to him where you can kind of put him into any matchup on his heroes that he's confident in,
and he will always overperform when the enemy team has to shut him down in order for you to win the game.
That's like his biggest strength.
strength. You play as Nara, you feel like I can't let this guy farm and he's playing some stupid matchup
like Beastmaster into whatever counter pick you had and then he has an 11-minute axe and it feels
horrendous because now you've committed like two picks in order to shut him down and you can't
because he's Nara. But then when he's like in a position where he's supposed to apply that
pressure to you, like in this game he counter picks down with Doom and it's not like it's
It's not bad, but it's just not great.
It doesn't come with like, it's not like, oh my God.
Okay, we're gonna have to help Sven.
We have to solve this issue.
We have this problem on the side of our map
that we need to somehow resolve.
It doesn't really present that.
And I think that kind of makes them a bit
of a weaker second pick team,
especially when that is picked late.
Do you want to see my cookies?
I want cookies, right?
Yes, please.
Yeah, these bad boys.
Can we get an overhitch?
Oh, wow.
Golden ground to perfection.
Look at that. Tell me you wouldn't want to dive into one of these giant flat pancake-sized cookies.
Tragically, we cannot eat them.
Yes, we are forbidden from eating them.
The task is resist-
Breaking test.
It specifically says resist eating the cookies, and we stack them up.
We need to stack them up. What stacking are we doing?
I'm Jesse in this scenario. Come on!
Breaking test.
No, you're Walt.
No, Walt was on the left, wasn't he?
But I think they're just in 5x5
Breaking Ted
Yes, you're right
I'm left, I'm Jesse on the right
You're just in this picture, but I think you're meaning to say that you're Walt
I would rather be Mike
Mike was the coolest
Mike was the coolest
Mike was watching in the distance
Jesse was way cooler than Walt
He was a junkie
He was a junkie
Can you say he was abused?
He was abused by Walt
I'm just kidding
No, I'm kidding
You say he's catch-freeze
Who's?
Jesse's
Bitch!
He did it
I don't know if I'm supposed to.
He's a perfect just bitch.
Well, that was a good American.
Yeah, that was for you.
Well done.
For anyone who's confused, we have been given today's task
for Dream League is you have three minutes
to assemble the tallest cookie tower.
We're able to-
Oh, I have three minutes.
No, no, no, no.
So this is the planning phase.
Okay.
So we can establish a blueprint and a foundation,
but at the end of our shift,
we are going to assemble the tallest cookie tower
possible and measure it.
And we have three minutes to build it,
but we can take the time to...
I want to cut these up.
The thing is, if you cut it up too small,
you'll lack structural integrity.
I agree.
So I'm thinking we want a nice,
I want to see how well one cookie cuts,
and then we'll try and build off that,
and see how,
because I've made it nice and flat so you can stack them.
Smart.
I'm always thinking.
I'm always thinking about it.
I don't know what it would look like.
But I want to be watching.
I'll say what I think is always good.
Into the past.
Trying to think.
Yes, let's do that.
Cassie, show me some moments from that game.
Yeah, so speaking of structural integrity, let's talk about the structural integrity of a draft in regards to the mid lane.
So I just wanted to show you how Batboom successfully shut down Museum Storm here.
There's beautiful two minute rotation by Katami.
Like they just came early on. They knew that he was the key to their draft if it was going to go well, and they spat on him.
And this is the 5th. They brought everybody. Like this was a party in the mid lane.
This is the kind of stuff you see in your pubs, but this was much better for Batboom.
They were able to really pressure Museum here.
Sure, they don't get the kill out of him, but you know, you get the kill in this caudal, you're getting stronger, Storm doesn't feel comfortable enough to farm for free on that lane and get his level 6.
And one more rotation here, free level 6 for Storm, they suck around, they said, no museum, you're not getting it, and they kill him giving GPK at an earlier level 6, which then enabled his snowballing.
Which would have been critical because I think if he didn't manage to get such a
Significant advantage in the early game then the doom would have proven to be more of a nuisance
Especially if he is able to successfully cast doom which did not happen very much in that game number two
We are going to very carefully. Yeah, very carefully use a knife
and
To figure out if we can find the solutions to our problems about the cookie tower
You are gonna stick around and watch some commercials and come back for
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Just can't get it out, but it feels so heavy on the ground
Take it by it's a lonely day
I can tell so many ways
I know for sure that you're the one that I dreamt of
I'm waiting for the light, waiting for my life
I've been wishing through all the cruise
It felt like deep, till there was you
Till now it's true baby, I am
I hope someday that you
Hope someday that you see
But I just never knew
It would be real
Till there was you
Till there was you
Guess my lucky star brought you to me, cause there you are
And like a shining light, your love has let me sing
A world of happiness, but even more than this
I realize a miracle occurred for me
I'm waiting for my lover
And I'm wishing my heart was free
To my country
For me, baby
On the day that we were together
Especially with all I trust
Yeah, baby
You'll never, never do baby
Yeah, there was you
Oh Oh Oh Oh
Oh, baby
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Yeah, there was you
Oh, what's going on baby
Yeah, there was you
I'm scared that one more chance
Don't wanna give this to another girl
I'm scared that one more time
Don't wanna say goodbye
Once we were both so happy just hanging out
There was no doubt
Why didn't we take for granted?
Oh, that was good.
I wish we could find what we had and bring it back.
I'm trying.
Give it one more try.
Yeah.
Don't want to give it another try.
Don't want to give it another try.
Oh, that's good.
Give it one more try.
Oh.
Don't want to give it another try.
I know we both had moments without a say, no one's to blame, no.
I'm sure that you agree it's not over yet.
Let's not forget that most of the time is not going to end so good.
I don't wanna give this to you, I don't wanna give this to you
I don't wanna try, I don't wanna see the god in the world
A love like we once had just can't be denied
If we both realize the way that everything's right
Come on, let's do it all
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Let's sing a song, I don't want to hear this dance, I don't want to hear this dance
I
When we began this series, do you remember what you talked to us about and what you taught us about?
Stacks.
Stacks on stacks.
Economy.
Economy.
Oh, we are trying to keep an eye on our deck.
The strategy is, uh, it's basic, you know.
We're not going for anything fancy here.
A retire from baking.
I think we have put ourselves into a bit of a hole
with the shape that is going to be selected.
Thank you, Banned.
My teammates, well, not appreciative.
Initially, I was told that we would get, like, some kind
of adhesive icing-type thing to, like,
Okay, well, I guess that changes everything.
I think the real way to do this would be to finish both edges,
and then we keep the biggest pieces for the foundational part of it.
Because if the bigger one's gone top, it'll topple over.
Look at this edge.
Can you make a cookie that's a pole?
A pole.
Five seconds remaining.
That's true.
It would be pretty tall if we just roll out like a rod.
Just a long, flat cookie.
And then we use the other cookies to prop it up.
Hold on to this.
Eden?
It would need
I guess brown bacon duty
It could match the width of the oven though
It can't go any longer than the oven
Yeah, oh shit, you're right
That's our limitation
Production, we're gonna need an 8 foot long oven
I need 5 desiliters of flour
I need a pizza oven
Devour
Does it say devour?
Doesn't it?
It does say devour
You must eat the flour
I believe it's flour
It's very fancy, yeah
Like it's like a
It's a D-shape though
And it's like
That says Dior.
That says Dior.
This is Dior.
This is definitely like someone who cares about their handwriting.
I don't know because that's...
I feel like that was a good try hard handwriting.
Is this the Swedish word for flower?
What's Swedish for flower?
It's ni-y-y, ni-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y...
This is not flower.
This is flower.
That looks like sugar.
Oh, that's sugar.
I think the sugar and the flour have been labeled.
Yes, I would say so.
But this also looks like sugar.
Do you want to do the Walter White Face Test?
Yeah, this also looks like sugar, though.
That's the good shit, Mr. White!
I've never seen flour be so grand granular.
Yeah, that's sugar.
But it's also sugar.
That's fine, here, let me tell you.
But it's also sugar.
Well, we'll see.
Take a hit.
I will.
Getting higher on our own supply.
She doesn't look like flour.
That's what I'm saying, we have unused things.
That's why it didn't say flour.
It said dee, dee-ow-er, de-war-er.
Can you zoom in on this, please?
I'll show you guys what I'm talking about.
It's granular.
That is also sugar.
So, we don't have flour.
What's in there?
We do have flour.
That looks like flour.
Flour and cocoa.
Look at the recipe sheet. What are the ingredients?
Oh, the pearl sugar.
It says flour, cocoa.
That's pearl sugar.
A lot of a virgin.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I guess we're just killing each other.
I didn't want to make the joke.
Okay.
What the fuck?
That's what everyone has said in the agreement.
It's absurd.
It's absurd.
Done.
Next.
Let me get to the order of operations.
All right, run through this.
Beastmaster Batrider Shadowfiend's tiny band out by Betboom Team at Tundra to take out the Tread, Shadow Demon at Tusk, and a Largo.
Betboom opt for a first pick Razor, which actually does present an interesting thing. Tundra's second pick again.
Right, so Betboom won the coin slot. That's kind of how it goes.
Usually you do a coin slot for game one, and then you do another one for game three.
Yeah, and opposite for game two of whatever game one was.
Right. So game 2, whichever team, their priority is to pick. I'm assuming both teams in the series pick first pick.
Yeah.
So that's why we have this situation happening here.
So this is a 33 Centaur. That doesn't really seem like his line.
Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm horrendous at cracking.
So my nails are very long and I don't want to fish out those.
Alright, thank you, Ted.
I fished out those.
That is all I'm carrying for the sake of the team.
Thank you, Ted.
So yeah, I agree, Centaur for Nettah doesn't really, like it's a good matchup in the Razor, but it's not really a Nettah hero.
I mean, he plays it, and he plays it just fine. I think especially when like, you're in some meta where it was like hem of dawn into pipe and stuff.
It worked quite well for him. But I don't think it's like a traditionally super Nettah hero.
It's not the same as like when a player's beast comes out.
Yeah, not a single shell.
It's also a little bit disappointing to me that I think part of the issue of the previous draft was that the heroes had no
Flex potential whatsoever. I knew exactly where the Kessup's going, aside from a pause thing that it may have been mid
But that also left Netta in quite a hole because by the time it comes to last pick
There's no like oh, maybe he might take this hero into the offline and I need to ban out a BGM hero or something like that
Yet again, this Centaur is very objectively just here's my off-laner
Yeah, but I do like that they pick him earlier rather than keeping him for 24.
This means that most likely we're gonna have a BZM or a pure hard counterfeit coming in in the end.
And I think generally speaking for them, that makes for better drafts.
It's good to see that they've recognized the same kind of thing here.
And interestingly enough, they ban the Mars.
They're saying like, Archaz doesn't beat the Mars hard enough against this team, so we're not gonna rely on that matchup.
Also, it's just a very good Miro hero in general.
It may not 100% telegraphic heads, but yeah
I'm not think that it's like I think it's more like it's not that they want the kids for sure
It's more like normally they would leave Mars in the pool and be like we can catch it. It's fine
Right, we don't care, but Miero's kind of proven now twice that he can play this matchup
How does Razor do it? How does case against Razor because he's quite mobile
So I think you can leash him. He's gonna pop play come back like I
Think kids should do pretty well. There's also like their steroids for your damage
that aren't, like, reliant. You deal damage too quickly for Razor to actually drain you.
But Razor's an interesting hero in that regard, where matchups for this hero don't really exist
if he's ahead and if his game is good enough, and everything is, like, structurally sound around him.
Do you recognize this song?
Wait, real quick, since I haven't kicked off the draft to do the baking,
I want you guys to know that Ted one-handedly cracked the egg and not a single piece of shallow
fall into the dough.
That's actually quite impressive because usually a little bit of the egg shell will come fall
into the dough.
It's a flat surface as the key.
It's also...
You crack it on the edge of a bowl or something.
You break the shell.
First of all it goes into the egg which you don't want.
And second of all, by cracking on a flat surface it stays flat so you can just
pull the egg apart.
It's when people crack on the edge of a bowl, that's when you get bits in there.
But if you're not on flat, then how are you supposed to-
Where are you?
Still standing.
Standing.
Exactly near.
Is that what the song-
I'm Still Standing by Elton John.
Feeling like a little kid.
I remember when that song came out and I heard the video was just a bunch of buffed
dudes gyrating on a beach and me, seven years old, thought, these guys look great.
So Nami, how much butter were we given?
We're supposed to use two thirds of that.
And the measurements are on the side.
Wait, the measurements are on the butter. I can show you. It's on the package.
Two thirds is fine.
Two thirds is fine.
If you guesstimate, you can ruin the whole toast.
If you guesstimate the butter, how do you fail?
You guesstimate, you can ruin the whole toast.
I'm just adding pressure.
Okay, I'm sure two thirds is fine.
You can do it yourself.
You can do it yourself.
AXE! AXE! TOXE GOES!
Can I be part of the draft queue?
Go for it.
Go for it.
Wait a second.
Way in.
We got Muerta and Shadowdupe, Shaman picked up, and that Betboom team are going to take
Cure Titus Kez.
And of course, Miro gets an axe.
Can I say, as an axe player?
No.
As Effie said, that she gets the pistol.
I really don't like AXE into any kind of silence, and Muerta is a nightmare with
the calling.
You can often get in there and besides you can't call shit.
Just put that out there.
You want to start baking on top of that?
No, please.
Just take it over anything.
I know what you are talking about,
but I also think the Tedwing plus Axlain
is very good at running down Muerta.
Muerta as a carry does not like to be dove.
And she doesn't like when it's pushed into her tower,
because then it enables other supports
to go in through the gate and just run at her.
And I feel like they've set themselves up really nicely
to pressure this Muerta early on.
It's also a blademail against Muerta, made around is quite good.
A lot of carries can kind of choose to not attack during blademail,
but if Muerta pops her ult, and she's not attacking, it's very very sad.
Dude.
But I actually kind of...
I don't know, none of these drafts look like this tournament meta, if that makes sense.
Wasn't planning at all.
Yeah, exactly. It just feels kind of odd from both sides.
Great that in there. I think you want to mix that up first and then on the buttocks, but what do I do?
It says the but in the recipe, it says the butter in part of the mixing.
Is it even going to come out this way?
You will actually lose a lot of the butter.
You're going to lose a lot of the butter.
You're going to lose a lot of the butter.
You're going to lose a lot of the butter.
They're still picking.
properly here is the world quietly to myself a real camera disruptor and get
a band out what's the save hero I think it's so they're looking for a cut
on me here you say footwork right and it's ross post on about rubik baby
interesting rubik good hero here great really played here it doesn't really
play five well he should he should I would have played rubik here if I
I was playing out of an empty room. It looks very fun.
Honestly, Jakira know itself is like enough a lot of the times.
Dazzle.
Hello, Cap.
Hello, Cap.
Hello, Cap.
What do you think?
If you come over here to offer no assistance, I think...
No, he's here to laugh at us and mock us.
I can see it in his eyes.
I know how this man thinks.
He's giving us a thumbs up.
Look at his smile. Zoom in on a smile.
It's not genuine.
He's a lying bastard.
He's the kind of person that would lie to the people.
That's a liar's smile.
It is, for sure.
Dazzle!
He's got a big smile.
Dazzle!
As a what?
As a support?
It's a pause five dozen, I think.
Cool.
Hmm.
The oven is on.
The oven is on.
I don't...
I don't...
I don't...
I like it.
It's just the smell of...
I don't think Aiden likes it, but I kind of like it.
What do you like about it?
I think it's just going to pressure her stomach quite a bit.
This is very hard to do. Look how much butter is left. I'm not too great at this.
Oh careful. You could just pop the last bit in and it'll last.
Yeah, I'm just trying to make it as close as possible.
I think it'll touch our center quite a bit online.
Ah, but when I was picking it, they didn't give it to me.
No, they did give it to me.
Probably did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'll say clearly.
Oh god, the worst part.
I'm exactly as beautiful as Vera, so I should get those.
You're more beautiful.
You're wonderful-looking, man.
Also, you didn't have eggs when you did this.
Yeah, that's true.
I've got to really get the egg in there.
That's great.
You're cooking, Mera.
You guys kicked me off the draft.
You don't get to get drafted!
You have to participate.
This is a team effort.
We are all part of the same team.
We went together, lose together, play together, play together, play together.
I like it for the lane.
Later on in the game it'll get hard, especially now that they've picked Void Spirit into the last pick.
He's going to spit on the sky, but for what it does in the leading stage, it's pretty cool.
strong lanes on that boom.
I saw Nisha do really well in this matchup at last.
The Void Spirit vs. Razor specifically.
I feel like it was one of the few times where I really liked the Void Spirit,
was when he played it into Razor.
And I'm not really sure how the matchup is just like,
because Nisha has like, he can sway these things.
He does Nisha things.
Yeah, exactly. But I think BZM can do BZM things,
and GPK can do GPK things.
So, possibilities are there.
I honestly don't really like either draft that much.
much I just feel like their heroes are weird and it's hard for me to see like
clear path to victory here it's gonna be a fun one I think
both teams are fun yes it's fun I think now Ari is gonna take chicken fingers
which makes me very sad because giant snake is clearly the spiritualist can we
verify casters what's the fact of chicken thing guys let's let's be real
Here it goes big snake. It's no big snake. I go big snake
Everyone knows the slope he can't help it know what I'm saying. Yeah, I know what you say, baby
You're a born look man. It's not a fasted for him. It's an unique. I
Got lucky on the roll. Can you say got good patch notes?
but if you quickly go through landing matchups just to offer some degree of
inside. I think we got Kez, Dazzle, against Centaur and Rosta. I would say it's
slightly favoring the Kez. Mid lane Razor into Void Spirit, I think it's slightly
favoring the Razor, but Void can do well and they remove the draft from the
screen because it's time for a game. Wow. It's time for a game. Let's get into it.
Let's get a little smoky in here and I can't tell if that is just the fire that is the
series or if perhaps the oven is smoking.
Maybe the panel can't smell from their position but up here above the oven.
Yeah there's definitely metal burning somewhere so we'll have to work on that.
Here he's gonna feel the heat however
First blood for bet boom first blood for kato me and kato me will leave no traces of
Their gang set up behind he kills the lane ward
Beautiful little play right there not something pure expected
It's like one of those kills usually seen pubs where the guy clicks to go to lane and then the afk's
I hate those are classic guys who just like from default or saying I'm not
going to participate in the bounty room exchange at all don't do the worst
actually that should be an insta jail agreed in real life by Midas and
Storm Spirit at 30 minutes straight to jail AFK is a carry the beginning of
the game is don't participate in the bounty room slash first blood fight
straight to jail yeah also the guys that afk for the 15 seconds and then they're
late to the room like that's equally as bad don't think you're excusable okay
that's moods be real that's not equally bad it is that's a mistake to me or that's
not that is great to jail and people play intubate straight to jail straight to
jail well much more even draft I think than the first two games both teams
have options this time around. Both teams have a pretty well rounded lineup. I think Tundra's probably looks a little stronger in the
District 5 on 5s. A lot of single target abilities for Bethune that they're gonna have to execute on.
That Chikiro strikes yet again almost killing save. So that would be the only slight edge I get here.
Do I do think Bethune
might have higher laning potential here? Like the Kesvur Centaur with Dazzle should win. I
can see this axe could link.
Maybe surprise us
You play it well, especially with the early kill. Yeah, I mean it's I found that axe is always nice
And the matchup against Yukiro just to like it adds that extra bit of help for your support, you know
They're playing some 1v1 battle on the side you can help them out with a battle on good
Still very strongly and we haven't seen this hero as much
Just because I think a lot of the core matchups are up for him right now
And he's not as formidable as some of the other BV boys in large of a...
Still, a hero you have to respect.
I do some serious damage there.
So it's a bait for the jump this game either.
No pugner SDS to play against.
That's often the biggest factor.
So potential for Miro to really pop off here.
You can get a fast game going. Just start jumping these cores.
You could also potentially go to the pipe building.
They want to play more through the Kesson Razor.
I kind of like the
Play mail here is a little bit. He's a great pipe game. I do like the play notes, but he's a great pipe game
Is there any consideration of like when you're making that you're breaking down that math
Your razor is also gonna get grieves right? Oh, GPK actually has treads. I thought
Razor was one of the potential grieves. GPK has been building him more of treads,
double bracer, into like, this is the first item of Crimson. So he's just tanking up the
right, he's creepin' high, and then kind of deciding where he goes. We'll see him go first item,
He will always do the double fracery, he will always get the treads.
Just up his HP super fast and just become unkilled.
And then decide how I want to scale the hero.
Not a greased buyer.
And I approve of this.
Okay.
GPK.
My IO.
It stands for giant friggin crowbar as I stated in the past.
I vaguely remember this crowbar meme to give me.
Well, outside of the early first blood, no kills in lane just yet.
That was a good throwback actually because there are some viewers out there that have
I've been watching this for four or five years now
and that one dude is like, how do you work that?
You know what I say to that guy?
I appreciate your service.
I appreciate your consistency
and please seek medical attention.
You need it.
You really need it, man.
I shouldn't remember these things.
Holy.
I would say have your wife take you, but we all know
you're not married, so just,
just wheel yourself down there
and get the help you need.
Spending eight hours a day in Twitch chat, you ain't...
They put in work on this mid lane. He is leading the CS chart.
Dominating! He's opponent.
Body block, body block. Got a couple of tower hits.
Counter TP coming in from the Dazzle.
Death on Miro at the same time. Katomil, Hall of Town, TPK. That should be the end of it here.
What happened to Meryl?
Where did G-Kero eventually got him?
Yeah.
Just too much damage from this duo.
Just lost the career, so all of a sudden these lanes going significantly better for
Tundra.
This axe has not gotten a lot despite the solid start.
I'm kind of surprised they didn't do the back lane at all.
Well, they didn't really pick up the Aston.
Oh, he got the tower. That's kind of weird.
Oof.
Not good. Not good at all. Lost the flag bear creep. Oof.
See, someone like 33, he would have back lane.
But Miro, he's giga-chad, he's going to play now.
He's playing hacks.
Or is the traditional hacks.
He's even going to rotate mid to whip his power in.
33 would back lane and tell his hoodwink to just stand for him and he would be having
a much better time.
That's why people have to do it.
Never lane at any cost.
Yeah, pretty much.
Never go high ground.
Never lane.
See, some people complain about it.
It's 33 ruined Oda.
That's what some people say.
It's 33 ruined Oda.
They might have a ballerina.
I say, perhaps he's doing it in defiance.
No?
No, I don't.
Now, here's the back glaning.
Unfortunately, Tave is gonna die for it, so the creep wave helps.
Miro could get a few more spins.
And Waiman does eventually die.
Pure can't really take the fight.
Oh, actually, he's got the Void Spear coming in.
Yeah, they're gonna take it.
He can get sort of the battle hunger there, so nice rotation for BGM.
He gets the Bounty Room, insta refill in the bottle.
Nice rotation for him.
Seven-minute wisdom trance here.
It's just looking to make a move here.
Conti only wins it.
Double wisdom.
Perfect, boom.
Kv3 for them.
Can they get out?
He's still going to come over and try and help out Katsumi.
In fact, he's the one in trouble, though.
They're really focusing him down,
but he gets off the shallow grave,
so GVK is definitely going to get some sort of damage,
some sort of kills out of this one before he eventually falls.
What about the rest of BedBoom? Are they also going to be cleaned up here?
Kiritage, make it a run for it. He's got a TP.
So if you can get far enough away from BZM...
Looks like he's next layer.
I don't know. BZM still has his stuff.
Another stuff coming up soon.
Dodge the remnant. Now the remnant is on cooldown.
Cannot catch. Got the dead shot on him.
Kiritage is out of here.
Two mobile.
Two fast.
So that's some good space for the Zaks bottom.
Go back to the Creek, honey.
put the cent tower down here in fact the cent tower cent tower because he is the
cent tower he's holding the tower it's also very 3-3 not enjoying his life right now
as the chicken does get caught but they can't catch the chicken it's like it's
like that scene in rocky no the training montage one of them is chasing after
the chicken but he does catch the chicken that's the whole point of that
montage is that he builds towards catching the chicken which he does catch
So that was no it's not like that at all
But I appreciate that there was a chicken. No, obviously you did not appreciate the sentiment
Also, I'm pretty sure that's rocky too
What the fuck effort?
Who cares?
I just say, I don't think the chicken's actually in Rocky 1.
Oh my god.
I was, I'm not actually specifying Rocky 1, just to be clear.
Well, there's a lot of them.
There are good movies.
Someone out there can be confused.
They could be thinking like, I'm chasing chickens like in Creed 1.
How about that?
Did you do that? Yes, he did. I never saw creeds. That's kind of too much.
It was a good movie. Were they? Yeah, they actually were.
You consider them as spiritual successors to Rocky at the game actually?
I don't know. For me, that series died when Apollo creed, though.
Well, that's awesome.
You just walked out of theater in the middle of 3D?
No, I obviously saw that movie. That movie is like Rocky 3's a classic.
Get it out of your system chat.
Why?
They talking about the game!
What are you talking about, man?
Catch that damn chicken!
10 minute power room coming up.
That's boom, we're gonna stack the top side,
but same side, Tunger's gonna go too.
Oh, got him on the hex?
No, they didn't get him on the hex, he disimulated,
but he did jump away.
way haste room for GPK with the anti storm already going once the run something
down not find anything meanwhile the bird does the bird things then the horse
has to run away does have a stop up so 33 and a few to find some harm here you
know yet that bad death at the bottom lane
they're even game overall kind of what I expected in this game three things
Slow down a little bit both teams pick a more well-rounded lineup and just say hey, we're better than you
We're gonna keep fighting. Yeah, but that's not the way bet boom one game
No
I do think country definitely put in emphasis one they had supports that actually do things
Actually have some sort of killed right that was big
But they also have much stronger lanes
Well, that's not gonna be the case here
Trying to trade out towers. Hard to trade towers when one of the shaman lords, the others, gets cold off by dominating.
You can defend, they catch, the kez, it's gonna be close.
Yeah, they'll try to help them out, still the tower shampoos into the macro pile, they do have a shallow grave.
Heritage, he'll heal up a lot.
Holy cow, he heals up a lot off of that shallow grave.
Kato, he's still fine, and they got lured into thinking that they could kill the chicken.
Not a case, a corn shot, oh, and the shot there from the sharp shooter, but it came
after the NA had already gone off.
GPK dies to the tower and dies.
Ari survives, Whitemon survives, man, that fight was looking so good for Beto, too.
I forgot his neck off, I think.
Unless he didn't have it for that.
I'm not sure he had it.
Just overextension.
Get the dead shot under the tower.
Here's the pawn point.
It is worth the least deal in this world.
Also, you promised me GPT,
double bracer.
Yeah, I'm surprised.
I've seen him go Zillabild so many times.
It's been successful for me.
He's switched up here, and now he's dying.
Let's try to go last.
got to respect the crisis game with the healing that come out yeah it's insane how much you
can boost your heroes up this point the fight looks pretty good for that thing oh maybe he's
out of mana oh he actually got some mana back I think it's funny that save like it breaks
portion shadow shaman but yeah he didn't have it for that but yeah I think at the point where
that bushwhack miss? This is you kind of have to just chill. You don't want to but that's
you have to play around your limited stuns here until axe joins those fights. Bushwhack
is your best friend. And axe is going to join these fights with a blade mail. He is
going the blade mail blink though. Oh yeah, because Miro is a real axe player. Not these
What a man.
Frauds.
Yeah.
What can I use?
Go.
33 fraudulent axe players.
Two of them axe players.
You can't play axe as an aura man.
It's against the laws of nature.
That's what I said.
That's why I say some people not me.
Some people say 33 really good.
It could be true.
I don't think that, but some people do.
I'll just mark on a pure, sharpshooter hits him, the door to which he's going to keep
the chase, teepee away, they don't have the magic damage or this is done.
Hey tower he's going to die for this, gpk he's going to come in too late to even get
him to nine, but that's not a problem, he will get that helmet on, that's a bad
thing.
I think you should be able to...
...to least, uh...
...Palmadon creeps?
Yes, I- yes, I think you should be able to.
Okay.
Tracking Miro.
Ooh, barry, if you just...
Oh, I still got him.
Mira will die here. He buys out them, we bought out the recipe for his play now.
Not going to use a whole lot of gold for this.
Nice little pick off there with a shaman.
Alright, I have myself a very solid game here to get to die.
So it's just fine.
Arcane Rune denied and Wisdom Shrine's split.
What do you think about, uh, Muerta as an answer to Kez?
I think it sounds good on paper.
Yeah, I think so too.
Yeah, I don't think anything really answers, cuz.
So you just have to go with your gut.
That was the Shatter Shaman laugh, but it was a low count.
Like playing on a cursed Disney ride.
Welcome to Treasure Island!
One of those broken-down animatronics.
They get the kids' nightmares.
Well, Tundra's up 2k.
It's going to be a while till Miro gets the blink.
But, the vet boom, I mean, I don't hate their, I mean, they obviously have great scale.
It's more about whether or not they can defend against the big game.
I assume Tundra is looking for their, that's their timing.
Yeah, Razorcast, I don't like their too much of a rush.
It's just the, the pick off game for Tundra becomes, look at this, it's trying
the hurricane the shaman for effective better cast range they turn into a
bird chicken they got the chicken eat a bird to kill the bird
who for heads up little micro play by 33
contributing all the math while he's AFK army there's a chop the first of
its kind nice stacks from Euro places hero how it was intended to be
replays.
Hmm.
See, I'm just dancing around this, I have a storm that has not gotten a whole lot of
love.
Oh, what a pushback though, that was really nice, they're going to try and run down the
where it's at, where it's at, so it's going to send the ultimate go off alongside
the stampede.
engage the weight of the razor that boom will not get any kills out of that just
get the talent very clutch hacks on me hats can run up there and call them in
that push whack if he does not get hexed I just joined set entire fight allows
tundra to retreat don't lose anything here don't gain anything either closing
on the shaman link and I think the shaman is the X factor gives you a
There's a lot of catch around the map, a lot of throw on these pick-offs, if the game slows down.
They will find him here.
Blow down that flink.
Alright, first step of the game.
Okay, better be careful though, there is a big rotation coming your way.
Smoke from BZM and Weintmann.
Break something.
Okay, he stopped the Guardian Greaves.
Try to 100-zero him, gun up the green, so he survives a little bit longer.
The drop shooter killed Kira!
Holy sakes!
Kira kills his former teammate and got the dominating streak out of him.
Shows up with low HP and he gets punished.
And now he's going to get another one potentially as Kaz is on his way, grappling claw forward,
hit him with the echo, gets hexed though, oh, Kira ditched.
He's just hit that battle theory timing, trying too hard to join fights.
Especially with battle theory kills.
You have a Tesla case, I can kinda understand.
Battle theory kills? What are you trying to do there?
Wrong timing, wrong place, gets mega punished.
Thunder will happily double all that gold up.
Yeah, I mean, look how slow it is.
You can get a D-Word down here too, so taking back control of the jungle area while the mortars farming top.
blink done for the axe is flying out bottom so he's gonna gate bottom try
meet his courier quick kickoff play here you have that good one
that's a combo the courier she's gonna be just a little bit too late
or he wants it
first this is a little bit of a bait yeah with the dazzle behind him
they must have thought these supports cleared the area not the case at all
the shadow shaman almost dies here the battle hungry gets the shackles on
helps him heal out a little bit. Meanwhile, the Dazzle being picked apart is 33 here.
The wards keeping the axe in there. The shot goes off. A little bit of heals for the
Guardian Greaves. Not enough to stay alive. Tundra just bringing more to the
fights. Then Bed Boom. Added the fact that like if you have this Blink Tagger
coming why would you want to put yourself in a spot to beat Junk? It was
mega awkward. The whole timing of that was just
awkward Bed Boom. Like yeah, you have the Blink coming to the axe but he
calls the wave and shows. Thunder like, oh, it's going to kind of stop going. You see
what happens here. Yeah, your support's behind you, but they can poke you down, drop the
wards. You're in a rough spot. The other course can't connect because the kez, he
doesn't have to keep... He went top. Can't even get to this fight. It's impossible.
Razor shows a wave. Just massively disjointed that. A ton of different energy on it.
very messy timing and execution from that point.
It's more at the starting to get farmed. You have a big crimson dart sentar to back up your teamfight here.
The blink is online for the shaman now so you can catch there as well.
And there's something coming out from White Spirit that's Kaia done.
So the damage is also there. They kind of have everything they need to take teamfights around shaman wards
plus sentar crimson slash objectives or if they want to play the pickoff game they can do that.
pass the flexibility to look for both so the map is a little difficult for Beth
Boomb to play right now. If you want to push waves with Kez or Razor you kind of
have to back them up or you're just playing off map trying to create your
own threat with Axe, that's another option.
I'm going to Qro Shard here, extra damage.
shy about dropping the ult.
That's a bar of chicken fingers right there.
A third disable, that's what Shattershotman needs.
Almost pot safe.
And so we hit this blink dagger, blade mail timing for axe,
And nothing to do with it.
Probably have to farm the BKBs now.
We'll be a triple BKB core lineup.
We'll be a nice little time for that boom in the game.
And we're into, I mean, their entire lineup is going to be useless against BKBs.
Oh yeah, they're really strong in this game.
Great against all this thunder control in the game.
Pretty much 90% of their damage.
Want to stay?
So, Tundra's options are to survive it or kite it out.
It's also really nice to go to the other thing.
Well, not Keds, but Razer and Axe are both pretty good refresher heroes if we want to talk about late game as well.
Alright, so DKB mid game and then at some point you get refreshers for WBKB.
Maybe they just wanted a bigger kill, which is definitely cure with that plate melt blink dagger,
pulling back in with the ult, and unfortunately didn't get the plate play.
But he will be punished. Let's not even get out of time
Definitely a lot more sad there that you can get the full chop lose that haste her as well
She couldn't get out
too deep I
Do think that is the hidden hidden scale here for rev boom is the late game refreshers
Double is form is is that deep best?
Double spell in the game.
Yeah, outside of like, you know, the black hole.
Well, I think not double black hole or something like that is, yeah, I'm dearly the ceiling's higher, but I think on average it's a lot harder to get value out of it.
Yeah, you can always get value out of double I in the storm.
Yeah, double I in the storm is just, it's just stupid.
I wonder if one day they will change how their stacks, they feel like it's too strong, I could see them, I could see Valve doing this.
Like for all spells they're just eye of the storm.
Just, I'm saying eye of the storm, they feel like it's too much of a late game gimmick for the hero.
It would really hurt the hero for sure.
Oh yeah.
Because that's most of his late game skill.
Yeah, as people can itemize against statically, pretty hard to itemize against a double highest
form.
Trying to make a little close play here with that Eastern, see what's up.
Definitely saw what's up.
Got the Eye of the Storm out of him.
They think we're still gonna smoke and try and make this timing worth something,
but they did use double ults.
They feel like maybe the mid lane, nobody shows there.
They go back up into the jungle, they run into each other, call immediately on the centaur!
They're going to run through the ice path macro player, not giving a damn about it because double BKBs.
Can you do kill that centaur? Is that enough for them to roach?
Technically yes, but we're going to try and find something to leave it.
Trying to get saved, shall graved from the low ground here.
Actually the high ground from Cato, he's stuck in the trees.
Meanwhile, oh look who's stuck! What is that?!
That's stripping wards calling!
Damn, I mean, I mean, Karatich looks stunlocked there. He wasn't even hitting the wards.
That was just a crazy, crazy play.
Hex in the shackle, the calling the entire time, feared in the chicken figures. Hex.
There's just so much control in this one.
Yeah, let's use your BKBs.
That booms.
I gotta tread a lot more carefully.
Yes, that is the story of that, but you get the jump, you get the pick-off, but you use
your BKBs for it, and that gives an opening for Tundra to turn around, which is overwhelming
control.
The Shadow Shopping is doing work in this game.
The start is not bad for the battle.
The focus does get split.
You're trying to focus J'Kiro there while there's a fight up top, so you're not really
protecting your Kez or playing Theru him at that point, that's why that fight gets really
awkward.
Still missing the axe, BKB.
Man, I did not think that was going to be that one-sided for Tundra, they extracted
a lot of experience from that.
Tundra now with an 8000 at its lead and a BKB at their own onward zone.
Somebody's got to find the Shaman in the fight, doing way too much work.
duration shackles on the case it's just you can't let out yeah in theory there's
supposed to have a good answer to them in the axe frame
gotta find you the axe drum or just running down with your front blade
this is flying from tundra mating out Kiritich you better be ready though
tundra to make the jump here
Sure to shout joints in on the smoke tundra. Definitely get a lot of this information.
Bet boom.
I might know what tundra lets you to courier line.
I'm gonna follow the courier up into this high ground area.
Do you jump a blind? That's a different story.
K, charge us forward!
Mind the storm already activated.
It's a little bit low. Greaves goes off. Does not use BKB.
They're respecting the front line here.
The Drift do not want to just jump hex, try and go all in on that first target they see
and give some really nice counter play to the axe here.
The efficiency is much better for Tundra here because they have the Helm of Dumb
Creep hitting top.
And an axe coming in for 33.
I mean, Bat Boom, if they're gonna sit here, they gotta cut the top wave.
Axe might give Tundra enough confidence to go on that frontliner.
Can then counterplay the Axe counterplay?
Someone go from there.
Btm.
Charge into the same area with his shield rune.
Bat Boom not taking the bait.
BZM says fine. I'll walk up into the high ground. He's getting up there
As in field trying to get some idea what's going on here the call goes out from the where it's up
There's they act safe and he charges them straight to the back line where Ari has already made the grab now
She think he's trying to stick on to both the center and pure can kill pure now
He still has his ultimate the dazzle tried to keep the razor alive now try to keep himself alive
Neither will be successful here as pure mose them all down
That is a perfect sequence from Tundra in terms of the idea of the fight.
They don't force the first up high ground battle because they don't have a play for the axe going in, calling the shaman if he goes in first.
They wait till they have sent their axe, what they have sent their axe, and then they force it a little bit.
And the second that axe jumps, you can just go in and you can card whoever jumps in.
In that case, it's the North, but I honestly think if the axe had jumped Shaman, he might have carted the Shaman.
Just to make sure that R can get his control off of the fight, sure, if you run through, the North has the fight at that point anyway.
That's not having DKB there.
Pretty brutal for Miro.
This cannot reliably get the damage off.
I mean it's also so sweet that GPK, nor do you utilize his game, he kind of has to use
his drain on the Centaur, the Muerta untargeted.
So she's just getting her full damage out, then she pops out of the cart, still has
her ult, meant so she's not a brand new Razor at all.
Gotta remember this Muerta Razor matchup is very one-sided, later on later this
game goes.
So the reason why Tundra went for this hero, it's a very nice answer to Razor.
I had a lot of points in the game.
Just can't do any damage to you.
I'm during control of this one right now. 12k gold, the Aegis intact, they're going to find the axe.
Still doesn't have his BKB, man. He's just been so delayed.
That's an eighth death for the axe.
It's a third of Tundra's kills. They have really fast curtain here over here.
Miro has been incredibly important for Bedroom, particularly on his Mars games.
This one?
Not panned out.
I thought it was going to go better.
The start with the first blood and how that lane should have gone?
Yeah.
It's just such a first 10 minutes dependent hero.
You either get that fast starter you don't with this build up,
which is why people prefer to go the orbs,
because you're less dependent on that start.
You can impact the teamfight more reliably.
high risk high reward did not pay off here in an early high ground hit from
tundra well they have the numbers advantage while they have an ages
back up here's a fast BKB and destroy sorry how's costick easy I think he
BKB is the exact same time the heads came out.
Yeah, that must have been a couple frames or something.
Pretty disgusting.
There's an opening.
That boom shaman off the map, that is.
Prime time to get in there and do some work.
I know the Centaur separated from the other groups,
so if they could get the jump on them,
where to?
There's not a save for them.
It doesn't even matter if you have ages,
if you have an opening like that
the kids did you care oh the shadow blade here is out of here
they definitely have some damage they can line it all up on the single target
don't go
Oh, sorry, sorry, uh, screwed up his blink.
Didn't have to die.
Somebody's got to die.
You know who's with him? Biggie.
That's right.
Stampede Hurricane Pack into Ari.
Shackled up Hoodlink with the Bushwack to stop Ari.
And the Blade Mail will return some damage.
They can't even get the Aegis out of them. 33 is just there every time.
The cart's throwing around this game.
Oh yeah.
Their heroes don't deal with it at all.
And they're so dependent on the single target initiation of this axe Hoodlink.
Again, dear, if you can call three heroes, great.
You're not gonna be able to get a massive pulse.
The line up from Tundra can come in at multiple angles
and fight as an Asian Tuber.
Very unlikely hammer club.
And now the big boy items are starting to flow
in the heart for the centaurs.
It's coming.
Shiva's done for the Void Spirit.
It has a lot of work to do in bringing these heroes down, man.
Yeah, what's the next step for Betboom?
How do they re-approach this game?
It has been a failure so far.
Gotta find better initiations off of vision.
Why don't we do it?
They can take fights or center the fights around some ob-centries.
get a good axe jump, he has BKB now and you can kinda convert that into a guaranteed kill.
You don't have to worry about the shaman counterplay, you still have to worry about the cart counterplay?
That, I don't think they really will ever have an answer for.
Yeah, is there any way we can stop the cart?
Uh, you can disable? This is the part where he blinks in.
Generally the best way to do it is like, you use him or something.
And trying to like, I mean right now all they have is like,
Layering the bushwag that timing seems impossible.
Saves thinking about Orcid.
So Orcid, Yule's hex on the hoodwink is probably their best bet.
Just something to throw on 33 when he goes in.
He has no Dispel right now. He doesn't have BKB.
Is susceptible to control.
Can throw some out.
There's that heart though, 5000 HP on this boy.
He's just dead.
BGM's gonna go uh, an E-Blade.
The conceptor has had some good value for him and now he's gonna turn it into something
more.
Good stats.
Universal Hero is gonna do some damage with it.
Especially, you got E-Blade Vessel, Shiva's Guard hit, with the Kaiyasha boost, and it's gonna hurt.
Got some serious damage.
And where to shoot you through that?
Oh yeah, great synergy with the lab.
Smoke's coming through.
Oh, fighting the Dazzles, so that's a...
3D?
Didn't manage to get off his bolt.
Well, delay his death, and now the hood went getting caught as well, so bolt supports.
Gonna die the onset of the fight. Take the high ground ward away, that boom.
Out on the map they go pure knowing that they are not going to play into Tundra.
Mealy tries to punish, so he can get the DKB out of Miro.
Does do so, pops the DKB himself. He's playing so incredibly solo though.
I'm annoyed he has to be KB there for the blade mail.
You gotta do what you gotta do though.
He won't leave me here alone.
He definitely killed us more than in a blade mail call.
He does not get KB on.
Oh yeah, no doubt.
I guess there's part of the institution we're talking about,
but assuming you can check that it doesn't happen,
I think you can kill pure
You're seeing the lax call
Let's follow up here. That's your that's your big ticket
I don't need to look at that cash damage just leaving it here
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's never been a game in the history of cats where he is not reach at least 10k pure damage
So that's very I
Have faith very current driven
I have faith he'll be able to do it here.
Could beat this bike, big smoke plane coming out from that boom, trying to get an angle on the back line.
Find the shaman, Jikiro.
Tundra's already playing on their wards with the waves pushing in.
I think they know what's coming their way.
Get a high ground ward here. The better high ground ward is definitely Tundra.
Very hard to just push into that position.
Smoke not gonna last for too much longer. Look at that!
Courier sitting on a power room to know when it's grabbed.
David Ward's stampede going up. They're gonna chase after these heroes.
Oh man! Look at his HP just disappeared!
God of the Shell and Grave though! Need to leave the, uh, claw.
They do have the answer to it time and time again.
GPK is healing back up. They do run down Kanto-Homi.
There's still the Muerts in the middle of all of this, and he's firing on the catch right now.
Firing on GPK, they're both dying to the Muerta.
Kierzitsch tries with the parry, another call goes out.
They don't have a stampede this time around, but they don't have the HP to live and kill the Muerta.
He was dying so fast.
Okay, he believed.
Holy moly the damage coming off and upwards.
They jumped instantly the second they saw that razor.
They knew that fight was favorable.
Always have the cart for the axe jumps
Just wheel that more to around there gun them down
Nice lineup
Tundra here a little bit of everything they executed well in a game three
Stint our tanks almost damaged the last by two it all went on to 33 he never dies
Let's look 300 HP out of the five thousand
Do his limit to a team?
And you know what the why the one watch more than in the hands of pure on on tundra
The more I'm kind of convinced by this hero, that it has a placement meta.
I'm not saying it's the most broken carry in the game, but when you need a later pick
carry and a lot of stuff gets banned, and if you're in these games with a lot of early
pick razer vipers that you need some like high piercing burst damage, but also you
want something with a more favorable matchup, hero has a place.
It definitely has a place and it can play faster than I think people get credit for.
I also think it's a great Silver Edge fire, and some of these games Silver Edge
seems super nice. Yeah. And some of these heroes that rely on new speed mechanics, so...
I definitely think there's some more games that should see these heroes. It's very HD to me.
Ultimately, the acts I think showed not a lot, sadly. Kind of the weaknesses of why we don't see
these heroes sometimes. And in the opposite side of things, the centaurs showed so, so much.
That was a dream card game. All aboard to a Nandler tundra victory as they are able to
defeat a Betboom team in this best of three which is a shame because Betboom team really needed this
win. Still no confirmations on where teams will be placing in Group Stage 2. A lot of things still
up in the air but Betboom team are on the cusp and they needed every single victory that they
can get. Tundra however keep on moving up the ranks. They've only dropped one series of this
entire Group Stage 2 and it was against Aurora. Tomorrow they will face off against Liquid and
And that may be another one if the liquid's trend is to be believed.
But so far, we'll stick to this series.
Aiden, for all the encouraging moments that we had from Batmume earlier in the series,
it seems like this was still Tundra in their form.
Uh, yeah, my biggest problem in the scene is the Vazel.
I'm boring.
I see Hero that doesn't...
Isn't traditionally a metapick, and I just feel like...
I don't know.
I don't really believe in it.
I don't really see the purpose of it.
I just think the hero just isn't that good and it's definitely not that good of a support.
I feel like Dazzle when when BC Dazzle really pop off, it's when it's a good core hero.
And I feel like that's what the heroes kind of honestly meant to be surprisingly enough.
Yeah, with all of Dazzle's changes it does feel like it's a bit harder to pull them off as a part.
But I like when teams think outside of the box.
And Redfin even though they lost today, I felt kind of good watching them
and that I can see their improvement throughout this tournament.
And a lot of their series, just in three-game series,
they've been going the distance,
they've been learning and improving.
Unfortunately, it's the end-th hour, so now or never.
But that's not the kind of loss
I would feel too bad about for the future of the team.
Like, they've got potential.
Unfortunately, they have to maximize that potential
very quickly.
Otherwise, they're going to be eliminated out
of a group stage, too.
but at least, I don't know, Ted, give me something.
Give me something that I can rest my hat on for Betboom fans.
Um...
TPK looked great on her.
TPK did the right thing.
That hamburger was great.
Yo, that was sick.
Miro Mars?
Miro Mars?
Yeah.
Miro Mars got enough of this.
Getting kisses?
Yeah, you're right.
That was one.
Game 2 was actually really, really good.
I do think assisted somewhat by Tundra's draft,
But that was a really, really nice performance.
That was a dominant performance.
But this game was much more back to the Alakart,
their boom menu, rather than the off-menu win.
This is the Alakart L.
And I think I'll take a little dessert
by speaking to Whitemon for a winners interview.
Whitemon, congratulations on the series win.
I wanted to ask you about some of the support duos
that you guys have in this series, if you don't mind.
Can you walk me through your Game 1 Chen Cautal idea?
Yeah, thank you.
I think the Chen Cautal ideas, we just...
I think my Chen picks is just focus on the lens.
And I think I know that bad booms didn't like playing against Chen.
And we just keep always picking it every time it's open, you know?
And the Cautal is just comfort heroes for Ari.
We just keep picking it every time, yeah.
Yeah, and I know Ari likes to stick to his comfort.
How about game 2, the Caudal Warlock?
I mean, game 2 is...
It's a bit sus, honestly.
I think we picked Caudal and we want to play around with it,
but I think we kind of fucked up our early game, so it didn't go well.
But yeah, I think something needs to change about the game 2.
Yeah, I think you accurately described it.
I also got Effie standing by for some questions about your drafts as well.
Hey, so I was wondering how much of position 5 right now do you think is allocated to leaning versus overall map movement?
What do you think is more important right now? What's the balance?
I would say maybe the one that gives teamfights is more important, but you cannot really sacrifice the lens also.
So you need to kind of find a good balance between if you pick teamfights heroes on post-5,
and you need to get strong carry that can carry you on the lane, something like that.
Okay, and I was also wondering between the hero pool that you've been put on this tournament,
you know, the Phoenix, the Warlock, the Chen, the Coddle, which one do you prefer for yourself
as a player?
For myself, I would say pick whatever the team looks good, I think, so I don't really care,
I can play anything.
If Netta says this hero is good, then I will just play it.
Do you think he'll ever get Tweeted Protector?
Maybe I get one game, so I don't remember it, but I think it's getting banned.
Okay, thank you.
I also think Aiden wants to grill you as well, Aiden, what you got on your mind?
So, we had an interview with Moonmi under the other day,
and he said you were yapping a lot during the draft.
And he refused to tell us what you were yapping about, so would you like to shed some light?
I mean, usually I just like some justing the mid-heroes, like for BGM,
or maybe suggesting like the bands, and maybe I talk a lot and I don't give enough
enough space for others to talk. I think that's what he meant.
Okay, thank you for answering that.
I feel like you're contributing the perfect amount, Whitemon, especially in the game.
If you don't mind, I'm going to show you a moment from game number one that everyone in the room was like,
ain't no way, Whitemon's playing out of his mind right now.
It was whenever you guys are contesting the Wisdom Room and you managed to hit level 6, TP back home,
Get the mana and hand of God, but that was all intentional Shirley, right?
Yeah, yeah, it was intentional
So you get the you get this trying you immediately TP'd back. What would you know that like I need to get the mana?
Yeah, I really need get the mana and also I get the six because I think thanks to pure you know
He did the the dredger move so he kinda died a lot in the last
Then I get that I guess all I saw my xp and I get my six
That's the kind of dynamic we need we need carries dying for supports more right?
Yeah, it's just the dratom of it
It's patented and I'm glad pure is carrying the torch. Why mon congratulations on the series victory
We'll catch you and the rest of thunder from more group stage two and hopefully the playoffs as well
Yeah, thank you catch you around
And this guy gets the data and that's the dream for a support.
The Dorachio manoeuvres, where Pure is sacrificing himself for the greater good.
Well, for sure.
Like, playing with Dorachio, especially, I mean, in pubs, there's a...
Unfortunately, the only time I got to really play with him, but it's fantastic.
Because he will always play aggressive and he will always play for the kill, you know?
There's someone's gonna die.
And hopefully it's like, not you and Dorachio, but like, you're gonna get
stuff going on on the lane.
And it's very fun to play those kind of games where you get to snowball and play a bit from ahead.
Things are bloodthirsty and that makes it a little bit more entertaining.
And with that result, we have a Betboom team at two and three right now in their series score.
Tomorrow they face off against Aurora, which initially I would have said, oh boy,
that's a big uphill climb. But recently, as of the past few days,
Aurora may not be as bulletproof as we was led to believe initially.
So that will be their final matchup but Tundra still not really shaking it up too much as they get to a 4-1 score and Effie
We were also working on something in the middle of this game. You mind
Getting it out of the oven my cookies. The cookies are ready. The second batch has been completed
This was a different recipe and will probably not look like pizza slices like hey
Well, because we actually put some effort into these ones,
cough cough.
Hello?
That's poxic.
They were perfectly measured into, was it 4x4, is that 16 cookies?
Oh, probably the poxic biker has a messed up look in the cookies of the other.
That's the easiest part, isn't it?
It's literally stuck.
I'll help you.
Thank you, Chad.
See, this is a team effort.
The team effort.
Right now.
I'll keep the couch warm.
Keep it. Let's go team. Let's go team.
I remember how Dasha did this.
Aiden did you contribute anything to these cookies?
I think there's like a little thing where you hold the cookies.
I provided the cookies so the best thing I could provide them with.
Uh-huh.
Observing them from a distance and not ruining anything.
That does help actually.
I feel like it's important to, this is the same thing in Dota where you like,
you need to understand where your strengths lie,
and you need to stick to those.
Like if you are not good at baking,
the best team contribution you can do is to not take it off.
That was a little bad joke for you there.
That's a little bit intimidating.
Alright, these look beautiful.
We have 16 traditional looking cookies.
And then the morgher that we will use for the foundation.
Right, Ted? That's the purpose of the other thing.
Yes? No? No?
Hang on, I'm gonna do it one second at a time.
The tear-diff on the cookies are...
They look kinda toothy.
The question is how do we combine the triangles with the circular cookies?
That is a problem that we'll solve during the next series because we've got another
best of three coming to you live.
It's mouths versus liquids.
Stick around everyone and we will be back after the break.
The PAP!
The PAP! Love it!
What's up guys, it's your voicepeed here and today we're going to be guessing the rank for
Dream League.
Alright, we have what seems to be a mag support.
His items look extremely reasonable.
The fact that he grenade probably already puts him like middle rank, I'm not even
kidding.
His items in general just looks super reasonable.
His skill looks reasonable.
Magam's 5 is kind of weird here, but it's a massive fine skill into Talon, I think it's pretty solid.
He's hard lane, team bear on dank, very strong lane.
I mean he's dead. He's dead, but this is just like fine. Like he's playing the situation fine, he's item for fine, and he should definitely not be playing.
It's all fine until the end. I'm fine when he walks up to the dive.
I think a lot of people look at that and say that's like terrible, but there's a lot of good things that are happening here actually I think.
He's kind of like playing it well, they're kiting out. I feel like his spell casting is pretty good.
I'm just going Legend then, I'm sticking with him like that.
I mean, the build is okay, just the other way, Legend.
Quite a draft of OD and stuff, but it was good enough by his item build, but the peek and the timber stand with Undyne is kind of bad.
And let it be, like, prosouder.
Magnus trying to pull a small cam and screwing the tower is quite common, and they are in the higher tier rank.
But when I look at the heroes it's quite weird.
Again it's only 4 minutes and there's like 16 kills on it.
He or she is around legend.
What?
I'm Crusader.
Where's Crusader? Oh.
Well, 11 minutes and 35 kills is getting higher.
I mean if we're going based on this like whole kill theory
where like those are super relevant,
I mean it's true there's 30 kills.
And minute 11 which is like insane.
They're farming this wave.
they're stealing each other's farm. These items are a little, maybe more than a little
sus.
He's by an orchid against a storm.
He took way too long to grow. Oh my god, that egg was so early.
Oh, nice egg.
Dark Willow, get back.
Enemy divisions terrible, still got some terrible.
People are stealing each other's farms.
If the last one was like, you see that this is a tank.
Dark Willow hit spells pretty good.
We've got said Cmoral.
Ah, I said that, dad.
Because they're all casting their spells.
But I feel like people have gotten better since I used...
I want to say this is like, lower than last time.
I don't know.
There's no way. There's so many things going wrong.
They're like, stealing each other's farm.
The Phoenix spell casting is just wrong.
They're all on the same side of the map.
The enemy's positioning is like,
directly on top of each other.
It's like, just bad.
But, very good. I've just been through harsh.
So, I don't know.
I'll go with Legend.
In fact, it was good.
Like, it's casually spell usage.
He didn't put one bird on the voice spirit
and also little creeps helped them
some luck, some random and let it be divine
I think compare this one to the last clip
I think this finish is pretty much more confident from this play
tension
Nice, nice
No shot, this is immoral
because you are terrible
I can tell this pretty low right
51 minutes only has like three items no bottle no one empty slot rapier cute with
Consumed acts consumed acts empty slot actually I like
You know the rape and
It's pretty sad
That's a really good that's my lead level clip because he can also like not assemble the rapier when going to do that
No way you're supposed to like free consume the axe. So a lot of conceptually bad stuff here. He's got a good score
He's didn't kill probably in this game solo or delay in this was
enemies got
Just one time so second maybe pretty break her button. He's got a licking so I think it's not the lower-end game
Legend how much listen? I don't know like there's like a lot of really bad things
Where's his bot? I guess he's selling it to me by this rapier.
I mean a lot of the heroes look pretty okay.
But his items are pretty reasonable.
I'll go Ancient then. I don't think this is that low.
It's a casual mistake. Everyone can do this mistake.
I think it's Battletop and also they're not going to high ground without ages.
It means they understand something in game.
And that's why I guess it's a high memory Ancient.
I think he's just way too poor.
Like you have 15 kills and that's only like two crucial items.
The only turning point for him is to buy D1 and I'm guessing Ancient again.
I would guess D1 if he's much more fatter or have more items in this space of the siege of the game.
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Well, and checks.
Welcome back everyone to the second of best of three of the night.
It's Maus taking on a liquid.
Now I will offer full transparency.
I did not watch the last series of last night.
last night because I saw Maus for the majority of group stage 2 and I've seen Aurora for the
majority of group stage 2 and I said I already know what's going to happen.
I really like throwing you under the bus but I feel like that's kind of fair and this
one instance it's kind of fair you know like the Maus have really not been very inspiring
and Aurora have looked like you can throw anything at them and it's gonna be fine
But what I saw yesterday in that series was not that storyline at all.
It much more felt like Aurora's kind of, it's cracked, like the immunity, yeah, the aura, exactly, like this.
I think they played a lot of tournaments leading up to this, and I don't think they really dropped any games.
But since they lost to Liquid, it seems like it might have caused some issues.
Because usually when you don't lose for an extended period of time, you tend to get into
the groove of thinking like we're not going to lose, you end up not having that many conversations
about like what could we be doing better because you don't really need to, and that
leads to like, you just never needing to think about mistakes.
And then now suddenly you're hit with like a loss and you have to talk about like oh
what went wrong, what could we have been doing better, and that can create some insecurities
on the team and some like question marks and then going to the next series you have all
these things that you think you need to improve on instead of just like going with the flow
and that kind of, yeah, I think that's kind of where they're at right now where they
struggle to find the same consistency and form.
The ripple effect has happened, you toss the stone into their perfectly calm lake
and now all of a sudden there's all this uncertainty bubbling up.
Just the fact that it happened against Maus was the most surprising to me because
Mouse, on the other hand, have had nothing but cracks in their armor throughout the entirety of this group stage 2.
And then, Effie...
They come in here and they beat Aurora!
What?!
No way, never mind.
It's not you who I want to hear from, apparently.
Is it Quinn, perhaps?
Can I hear from Quinn?
Can you hear me?
Does anyone want to talk to me?
Quinn.
I want to talk to you.
I didn't see the game last night. Could you teach me a little bit about it?
I would love to teach you a little bit about the game last night.
As Miles, they pulled the upset of the century. I don't think anyone, even their mothers, expected them to be the roar last night.
That's what we'll show them and their mothers something, which is how they won, and some of the good things they're doing.
So let's take a look at some of these drafts.
As I think the games they won last night, they drafted a lot better, and they've been drafting recently. I liked them a lot.
Some of the key differences are, firstly, they last pick mid-ones hero instead of first pick.
do not like first pick mid one because boom and chrysalis have small hero pulls
so early picking the heroes makes a lot more sense and mid one has a bigger hero pull
so last picking his hero is better in my opinion.
Secondly, they didn't pick too many ungebung to stun bros and end up with low damage
if you look at this first draft they've got Mars and DK and Beast
they've got three melee dudes they all go in stun and they're flying against a shattered demon
they're flying against a hero and they're flying against Centaur save
now that's a lot of stuff that can turn around those initial jumps
Whenever you see too many melee stun bros, that's what you end up with, it's the potential for the enemy to have counter initiation
so that your jumps don't go through, you don't kill people and you are sad.
You can compare that to this draft up here.
They've got some save themselves, they've got Shadow Demon, they've got some fight start in Nyx,
they've got a lot of skirmish, a lot of poke,
and they also have some nice counter picks, they pick Darkseer which is a very deep cut counter pick to Viper
because you buy pipe, you buy auras, you buy Lotus, things like this, and you can speed people away
and just generally play a long kiting fight where you get to outmaneuver Viper, which is very very good.
And they made a lot of nice adjustments throughout this game. They picked Elaspic Invoker, which is great against Ursa, great against Viper, same reasons.
They played a kiting style. They played for scaling and longer teamfights, which is not something we typically see Miles do, so I love the adjustments.
And I've got a clip here. I can figure out how to make this thing work.
Holy ma- wo- where's the trash can?
You got it? You got it? I pressed the NADOTA button.
There we go, the NADOTA button.
Look at this, holy sped up, normal slow mo.
Restart. There we go.
Okay, so this fight, I think is a very good example of this.
You see, Aurora's taking Roast, they're up a little bit of gold, but it's a pretty close game overall.
You see Yamachi runs into the pit.
Oh! Come on, come on, come on!
You're gonna get the Aegis.
Watch. They play, they're chillin'. They're chillin'.
They give them a mark, Zuckerberg. They're healing them up.
Viper runs in, they slowly kill him. They're like, I think they go for more, guys.
They chase a little bit here.
And now they get two more kills. It's a three for zero.
When was the last time you saw Miles get a 3 for 0?
I think I was like 4 years old when that happened.
So, they've righted the ship, they've righted their wrongs, they've showed their mothers,
hey, we still have what it takes, you can still believe in us.
And maybe they can do it today against the horsemen in liquid.
One of the four horses of Jeff McQuinn.
I feel like the sentiment I share that they were able to right the ship,
but it is with heroes that we've been seeing Miles pick all tournament long.
Like the invoker is nothing that new.
Pugna is constantly being picked for salary.
Shoudemon is just a very meta hero,
and I guess Darkseer is a little bit out of the box.
So how are they still able to take Aurora by surprise with heroes that they've been playing?
I think it's the combination of them.
I think normally you see like one Pugna
and then three like pickheaded ogres.
And then like, or like one Shoudemon
and then three pickheaded ogres.
Like I think to me it's the core combination
and the fact that it's not like the three Brutes
and then the one spellcaster guy.
I think a more nice mix is very good for mouse, because I think they tend to overdo into the
Oh, me picked strong meta here!
Okay, I can see that.
And it is a fun mix between these two teams in general.
We got a chance to speak to them before this matchup, and hear their expectations.
We almost got first place in the groups, which was great.
We're not really afraid of anything in particular.
I think it's a sub-class somehow, when we play.
No one, no one, as well as the old god, his speech, you're about to go all over the place like a deadly pinball!
It's more important to feel confident than to be well-prepared.
You will preferably have both.
But no matter how prepared you are or how practiced goes, it's very important that when you play, you feel like, like you're ready.
You're gonna blink after, and Kristen's still gonna give me a bit of a-
Oh, oh, oh, god, am I gonna spike herpes on BZM?
He almost killed BZM, now the Brillings are gonna overwhelm him.
The ephonic shield comes down on BZM, he survives.
Yeah, man, she goes after it. Oh, the new Chokeree! Come on, that was Yamiche's kill!
The tentacle's taken away from the block. Oh, everyone!
God, BZM at least. Don't get that one. What about the brew? The brew can't get hit.
Damage ruined for Mikkei. I st- Oh my God!
That was a gigantic Primo Beast that got killed in two slashes.
Muki King, here comes the canis.
Spooky stuff! Right behind Tofu takes them out with a thin, full-q war of its own!
It's four heroes, a T-can from Aston, who wins our invasion!
They got smoked, straight up.
So with what we've witnessed yesterday, I am thinking that this may not be as one-sided
as I would have believed, maybe 48 hours ago.
the fact that they're able to defeat Aurora and do it with heroes that they have been comfortable with
just in situations and maybe less of the big burly boys that they usually go to
is a step in the right direction but still AFI Liquid has proven to be unbeatable thus far in
group stage two. They're looking way too good. Yeah. It feels like every Dream League one team
presents itself as the team to beat. Yes, that is our cookie tower. We do have some structural issues
because the cookie batches are different shapes and the batches in different sizes, but we'll make
it work just like- Stay with your whole chest. Stay with what you mean. Stay what you're thinking.
I'm not competitive and I don't feel any kind of way. Don't lie to the people that are staring at me.
You're very humble and funny. Maybe the most ridiculous thing that's ever been said at a dream lake.
I don't feel any kind of way about this. I'm going with the flow, and I'm sure even though our cookie tower will fall, everything will be okay, just like if Mao's falls here, versus Liquid.
Everything will be okay.
Everything will be okay.
Sometimes that's just the conclusion that most people expect after watching Day Shift, Time and Time again fail at all these tasks, but sometimes we buck the trend.
This is a one-point shift that you are witnessing now.
We're on a winning streak right now.
We're on a winning streak.
We are literally on a winning streak.
The night shift is on full tilt.
They're Aurora right now, and we're mouths.
Hmm.
Wow.
I don't know if I want to be mouths.
I don't know if I want to be mouths either.
I don't know if they want to be Aurora.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Turn with your mouths.
I mean, like right now in this tournament,
I don't know if that's like where I want to be.
But if they win this series.
Okay, I think if they win this series,
like they should actually just get two points.
I agree.
I genuinely feel like we should make it more interesting
for the people at home.
You want comeback mechanics within the tournament?
Yes, why not?
I think it's kind of high.
Has that been explored ever at an ESL?
I don't believe so.
Well, maybe we should start doing it right now.
It's bold of you to make these claims when you're no longer actively playing
and I'm sure if we bring out a rulebook when you are actively playing
you're like, are you kidding me right now?
I definitely would say, are you kidding me right now if I was actively playing?
But...
Is that gonna be like, because this is amazing,
are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
It's also like you know like some tournaments you go to and you get knocked out and you kind of feel like you were the better team
Yeah, yeah, I think in those games you should have like a buyback
Into the tournament if you could use that down
But yeah, you can do it back into the game
And if you get if you lose like again, you just don't get to play the next time
Payton Termin organizer. Yeah, that also works
Like the or just pays them to bring you back in the event, but that would be unfair towards like
No, no, no. You are an individual.
I see.
Your personal bank account, you need to pay them.
I see.
The little spirit has like seven lives per month.
No, spirit, spirit, they're...
It's like, relative to how much money you've made in this team,
we're like equalizing it.
Also, spirit has like insanely high buyback cost.
I see, I see.
It's related to your net worth.
Yes, exactly.
Yeah, okay.
And like, pain game, you can just keep buying back.
No cool down.
And still lose anyway.
I don't know why they'd be buying back.
Alright friends, we got a draft and we've got a series and it's a series that I do want
to take seriously because Maus may actually prove to be competitive.
We'll see if yesterday was just a fluke or if it was a turnaround in terms of mentality
and in terms of draft potential.
Liquid, they take out the Chen at the Hostile or the Beastmaster and the Treat, Maus,
Banna, Shadow Demon, Batrider and Razor and they, dare I say, take a Shadow Fiend
away from liquid and very interesting we talked about this yesterday but we saw
some signs of like wait maybe liquid doesn't actually play Largo off lane
yeah yesterday and it seems like Miles also picked up on that and they've
decided to pass the Largo through and take the SF for themselves and I am
very curious to see if this is gonna be a tofu Largo again it's looked really
good until who plays it but I do kind of want to see like ace Largo is it
a thing or is it not he's played a lot of Largo recently
How's he yeah, that's what it was most like yours. Okay, he's been owning on it too. Because yesterday on first pick the end of banning it
And I feel like that was like a
Quite quite confusing to me. It was very peculiar. Yeah, didn't really make sense in the context of this theories
especially like Wargo giga swamp game one and then
Their first thing they ban it like that's very very odd
They're willing to prove it again though as they pick it up though
We can't guarantee what the role will be. I think as of the past five days
I have not seen Largo be flexed. It has been exclusively offline, but during group stage one
We did see a couple of flexes
Yeah, man
I think Shadowfiend should be pretty good against Largo because you're this big turret you have your super high damage
So maybe you can actually cut through Largo
Especially if you pair it with like some toss or something in the lane
You've got some potential early pressure like Shadowfiend is not a slow carry by any means
But you also beat the crap out of people
So I think of all the first picks you could have when somebody picks Largo
I think this is probably one of the better ones like I think there's nice dynamics here
Yeah, I think burst damage has proven to be the most consistent solution to a hero that is very hard to find solutions for because
even if we are considering this to be a
potential answer
Like I'd seen from the statistics Largo has only lost one time in group stage two so far out of like eight picks
And that game had, I'd want to say like there was a bifurge against Void Spirit red, that absolutely destroyed the matchup and kind of just like took over the game and Largo didn't get to Largo it up the way he was supposed to.
So I feel like in my mind Largo actually kind of has like a hundred percent win rate, you know, a good stage two.
That game to me is like a little bit of an exception and there's a lot of circumstances.
But in all the games that I've looked kind of like normal or like, yeah, playable, the heroes looked absolutely ridiculous.
And they're gonna pair it up with even more heal as warlock is the first support for liquid
It's pretty solid though, I like where you're what is abominable about it
It's been leaving in one direction this entire time. I've been trying to offset it
We need like cookie support struts to like keep it up. That's what this is license are for
The leaning tower he's over here
Capital idea, which is like you make like you make it like a Jenga board with like like sticks basically
Cookies sticks that you then do this. Do you see what I'm saying?
Unfortunately, these are the shapes that we have. Yeah. So it is what we will work with.
But I'm breaking up Ted's pieces and I'm making them small enough.
However, it feels like the structure of the cookie towers, it's tilting just like just like
Like, in Mouse Night's Night's Night's Night
There we go, there we go!
Born Natural Co-host, Marcy, and Enchantress
Support Duo, Flora, and Mouse
Which Enchantress is kind of falling out of favor
Aside from Mouse, I think
They still...
I think Celery's hero pool in general is just like
He's the only person playing, like, the Pognos
And the Enchantresses
I mean, Celery to me is like a pretty...
He likes his heroes, right?
Yeah
And he will play them
He's like a meta of position 5.
Sure, I can see that.
You'll find what he likes in the meta, and he'll play those heroes,
but he has very specific heroes that he likes,
and he's picking from that pool for each patch.
But then is anything equivalent to a meta doom where he wants it to be a thing,
but it doesn't really fit the meta?
Enchantress.
Enchantress is now one, right?
I mean, it's hard to say when the team is losing as much as they've been,
to be fair to him.
Sure.
I feel like the few times I have seen him play end,
She had like incredibly impact around like
Securing mid one's lane and then the middle ended up having quite a lackluster game or series as a whole that series
This cookie tower is very amusing
It is falling apart
We may have to start over on it, but then the cookies will fall apart
Technically the the challenges we're gonna build it at the end of our shift and we get three minutes to assemble from scratch
So what you're doing right now is blueprint, but I put the sticky stuff. We'll re-stuck you
So this isn't allowed right now.
Are there rules?
No.
So why am I doing it?
To get an idea of what the best strategy is.
You know this is like game one of the best of three.
The problem is the surface has already been compromised by the adhesive syrup thing.
Do we have like a blender or like something that we like mush the cookie up into like concrete
and like and reassemble it into you know what I mean?
You want like a yeah like cookie mortar.
Yeah, can we make Cookie Mortar?
Like, we get the whisk?
We whisk the cookies into cookie paste?
I think it's unlikely that we'll be given that, but...
That's thinking outside of the box.
Kind of like picking a spearbreaker.
Hey, yeah, and the Kaz is going to be a liquid's choice,
which I actually don't know if I've seen Mikae play too much Kaz before this tournament.
It's his main, though. I feel like it's one of his best heroes.
And I feel like when I think of really good Kess players, he's like top of my list.
I might be slightly biased, but I feel like who plays a better Kess than Micky?
Yeah, exactly, that's what I'm talking about.
I'm trying to rock my friend.
I do think he's one of the best Kess players, it's real tough.
They have given it a tide though, so the same thing that happened to what they did
last night. They now get the watermelon themselves. It wasn't last time, but the other day. Anyway,
this keeps happening. They catch blind and they get tited. I think it's good for Miles
like it was all those other days. I do think Miles' draft is kind of crap overall though,
because I think they don't have enough spells. Like Enchantress, Marcy, Shadowfiend, all
these heroes are very themed around. We kind of just hit one guy. I think three
of that type of hero is too much. We can have two sometimes, but I think three
3 is just a bit much, and I think it's going to cause you some issues in these T-Fights
when you're playing against Warlock, against Largoba, against like a Spiritbreaker charging
around, against Kez Chaos, like it's too much AoE, it's too much ease of execution from
Liquid, and for Maus it's like, yeah, we're going to hit this guy, so if there's any
Kiting, any Tank ability, I think they run it for big crawlers.
Yeah, it does seem like they're too reliant on Ravage for Maus, but you correct that
with the tiny-esque style of hero, right, something with no cooldowns that can
play very actively. Does the mid one enjoy playing tiny?
That sounds like a tsunami question to me.
He has not played it yet this tournament, but does it have to be a tiny or can be a
spirit as Liquid are banning out Storm Spirit? Void Spirit remains, Ember Spirit also remains.
I feel like when I look at Maus's heroes for this draft to work, the Marcian, the
Ench, they need something to snowball around. So whatever it is that is going to be
on the mid lane needs to be something that they can actively play through.
Or if you don't want to go down that approach, you put the SF mid and you look for something
on the safe lane that they can gank through and then like play through the tide lane.
That's obviously going to be doing well against the Cubs and try to snowball the game that
way.
But I think it has to be, their draft needs something to play through in order for their
heroes to work.
These heroes are very much required like to snowball the early game.
Whereas for Liquid, I feel like if the game is, like, nail-maked for 15 minutes, they get to hit older timings, they are extremely strong.
Then if you want to pivot in that direction, we could get a Crystallis DK, and then let Mid1 play SF.
He will be playing it blind, though.
The DK to me just gets too much into the Ungubunga boys' style, and, like, this draft already in me for Miles is not what they were picking last night.
It's very much like typical mouse and a typical mouse has not been working.
I also think it's not high damage enough against a lot of Go-Buck.
Like as soon as you see this hero, you need high damage, high damage, high damage.
You need your draft chock full of it or eventually we've seen it a million times, right?
It's Taylor's oldest time.
She's from that guitar and nobody dies.
Can we see them mid one and Voker come out or is that too greedy?
Because it'll hop versus Spiritbreaker mid.
It'll give them like Cataclysm on top of the rubbish.
I can see a mocker. It's definitely not too bad. The sniper band is interesting to me.
I think the sniper band signals us to have mid potential.
Yeah, that's just very, very risky. I think it's beer breaker plus counterpick.
Even if you bat on the sniper, like it's still other heroes.
Kind of surprised by the Leshrac down. I thought that Largo would not mind at all playing into a Leshrac.
Yeah, that might just be a mid one specific because I agree. I don't think Lash is like
It's not it's not bad here with Marcy. I think they need a sort of damage hero, but it's also
Primal beast
For mid one blind. I mean it's it's something to snowball around right? It's something to play fair. It's something to make moves through
I feel like that's like the idea here
They they feel like they want something active and a playmaker and this is the hero that they decided to go with
I don't think it has like particularly good matchups in any way shape or it's not like oh they see this
Then that's why they pick primal they just feel like this is the most well-rounded hero that works well with the heroes that we have
Can you timbers saw him?
I think you have a lot of options
It doesn't really risk like I would say primal is a hero that restricts your pool as a mid laner
I think you have quite a lot of here so you can play into it and it's gonna be fine
So you kind of have the choice of like you want to go with something like a hard counter pick to finish out
him down, so down his game. What do you want to just pick something you enjoy for the game?
You're yapping the queen of pain, Quinn. Yep. This is uh, there's no more snow
all through mid now. This matchup is pretty bad for Primal. Um, not just in that he harms your
net worth a lot because he spams the crap out of you, but also in the skirmishes you have no
real way to kill the quap and she massively nerfs your damage. It's a weird hero because
Primal's damage is about his movement speed and queen just giga slows you all the time.
So not only are you getting harassed, but you can't do damage back because she's somehow nerfing your damage.
It's very strange, this matchup, but it's probably the single worst mid-matchup for Primal.
Brutal.
Yeah. That's a tough one.
But, but, but...
But?
Malzah's one thing going for them.
I'm listening.
They have the minus armor strategy, combination of Tidunter and Shadowfiend.
It's on Gush in presence of the Dark Lord.
Gush in presence of the Dark Lord.
With the physical damage that they have from Marcy?
She's gonna be uh, she's gonna be hitting.
Exactly, exactly, exactly.
So there are redeeming qualities.
Excellent.
Afe?
I mean, if Liquid play like they always do, this might be a quick game, but I just haven't
seen enough mid-1 primal I suppose, but I feel like that hero can do a lot.
It's not really stopped by anything.
I mean, the lane itself is hard, but if it cuts waves and ganks, I feel like either
support doesn't really stop it.
Spirit Breakers aren't going to stop him from his rotation.
Who's the other one? Warlock?
Warlock's not stopping his rotation.
Yeah, that's true.
So, if he can make it work, like play like Maureen, you know...
Well, except...
There's...
NOT THE COOKIES!
NO!
If you just ask her!
I'll sort of save her!
Why did you knock it over?
He tried to save them.
Why didn't he save it?
He tried to save them, just like...
Like, mid-ones trying to save this Maus drag.
He's still good at this.
It's the primal beast.
He's so good at this.
Meow meow meow meow. Meow meow meow meow. Meow meow meow meow.
Meow meow meow meow. Meow meow meow meow.
The funny thing is I hear an SVG in the back singing it too.
We'll see if he gets an opportunity to sing it as we get into a game number one with Cap and SVG.
It wasn't me.
It wasn't me.
It wasn't me.
I don't even know what they were singing.
It was the...
It was me.
In the words of Na'Vi, it wasn't me.
Every endeavor is being in a whimsical way, that is for sure.
I have a legacy to uphold.
But we are joined by part of my legacy.
Good part or bad part?
Quinnota, everybody.
Quinn Calhan, the man himself.
Before this casting starts, Quinn, I would like you to say something to all
of the people watching.
I hope you enjoyed this video.
I hope you enjoyed it.
I hope you enjoyed it.
I hope you enjoyed it.
I hope you enjoyed it.
I hope you enjoyed it.
I hope you enjoyed it.
I hope you enjoyed it.
I hope you enjoyed it.
out there I've been waiting a long time for this actually since we have not
casted together yet you owe me one for the thing that happened down in Cuba all
those years ago
75
right brother no no actually I don't know if you want to say that or it's a card to Cuba
number one I had to endure years and years and years of watching game and
gladiators win lands and I was accused of being biased towards you the
the entirety of that time. Glazing was thrown around. That's harsh terminology. The term
ex-teammate is in love with him. Some even harsher work directly to full terms. I would
like you to please tell the fans that if anything I am biased against you when you were trying
to win those tournaments, please clear the air. I agree with this. Avery has disparaged
my name left right and center on and off screen if anything there is a serious
vitriol there there's not there's not love and adoration did I ever show you one
ounce of support in that entire time no there was not a modicum of human
decency thus my name is clear thank you for that quick I just I just needed to
clear my record there for a second that's for Cuba anyway back to you
Welcome everybody to Liquid vs. Mouse.
What are the chances here that Mouse can actually beat Liquid?
Let's be real.
Let's be real with the audience here.
You want me to be real?
Yeah, be real real real.
Because I know Avery's gonna do, he's gonna back Mouse no matter what so you can give
us the real shit.
I mean I think when they pick this Primal it's real.
I mean I think every subsequent pick they made it harder for themselves.
It was like they just kept stacking the plates like up, but you know in the same like a cookie tower
Yeah, it was doomed to fail like some college student who doesn't do the dishes and he keeps stacking the plates up
And they're like covered in direct like leaning over that was this draft
Okay, but what if you were playing well, I mean then it's that I think we lose even faster
My primal is horrendous. That's true
That's pretty bad
Okay
Send me up to knock me down. That's why you don't cast these guys. Absolutely fucking savage
Whatever the hell he wants disparages his co-workers
Just go on a rent. I would never be your co-worker. I've always supported you
first blood is gonna be bottom lane as
That was not quite what I expected. I mean sure it's a case, but it's a case warlock lane
It's Mikkei Kesel, which has the panel set in a very biased, glazing-style take that
was completely unwarranted.
He is by far the best Kesel in the world.
No one even comes close to Sky Impact.
I've been told that Mikkei holds the top 9 out of 10 spots for Kesel's performances.
Is that true?
Yeah, it's definitely not true.
In your heart.
I'm not in the haze.
I don't know.
Then what are you up here for?
Well, you only wanted in the haze here.
Is that who you thought was casting?
Yeah, give me Louisiana in the haze.
Well, brother stands don't laugh that's I knew that's that was I can't do the Cajun one
It's too hard to cage on like the Cajun accent for the Hawes. No, just in general stats. Don't
It's not even it. Oh, whatever. It's close enough
Yeah, let's be real the international audience doesn't get the
Okay, that was a random. Why was a picture of crystal is we get that again we're checking in on crystals
I think production I refuse because we're talking about Cajun like who's the most Cajun guy in this game
I mean I would love to hear
Let's drop a Cajun accent. It's probably anybody in this game has got to drop a Cajun accent. It is legit probably
Crystal's that's true. He would do that. I mean, I guess the Netherlands is like the most swampy of all the countries from these
That's the wrong thing man. That's what I'm saying when I went to the Netherlands. I was like
Where where am I this is home? I feel like you're from Arizona like I'm back in Carolina
Yeah, you're a lot of desert
Wow, brother trees swamp and barbecue where this is not Europe. What is he doing? What in God's name?
What is happening? All right, you used to play with them so inform us on what maneuver that was I
Have that's a new one. He's trying to RKO is monitors some crap
I mean, Ace did ALWAYS have PC issues. It was legitimately so annoying.
I like- Like, are you saying randomly he just had the bad luck at tournaments and stuff, or are you saying at home?
I know, like, you know, like, you get the different headsets at every land rack, different setups, and his mic was always, like, he was incapable of pointing the mic towards his mouth, it was always pointed away, and I'm like, turn the mic.
And then he wouldn't- he would turn the wrong part.
And I like- it was- ah, but anyway, I'm getting trauma.
Ha ha ha ha ha!
Yeah, but you should have had experience with that. You played with the R for years.
You don't have a bad mic.
No, he just mumbled. You couldn't hear him.
He did mumbled.
Thought that was a- it was good practice, you know?
I think my favorite part of this is gonna be the- the Reddit reaction
of like people with the Ted track- why aren't they talking about Dota when we have
Perfectly good, ex-professional players, like Quinn and Insania!
To talk about Dota and then Quinn gets on a tricast and doesn't say a word about Dota.
You're talking about even last?
I mean...
Oh, it's Primalest should be so bad, he's already going to base in a few minutes dude, it's so bad.
It's so bad.
Yeah, but he's Primal, he onslaughts half the time.
Easy.
How long do you think onslaught lasts?
You imagine if you could just keep channeling it and go farther and farther and farther.
Dude, that sounds sick, but that's...
You get speared right here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It could be a shard upgrade for him or something.
He should have the Nightstalk Rags.
Or you could just pay mana to continually on-spot.
Ooh, okay, okay.
That's an idea.
That is an idea right there.
Wait, that's not Nightstalker's axe.
They can pay mana to continually silence.
Wait, did they cheat?
I thought it was the AoE Void.
No, brother.
You're living in the past.
You're living in the players' game.
Do you even play this game anymore or are you just a deadlock?
I have more hours than you.
Is that true?
I don't know.
And Dota for sure?
On the ticker?
Yeah.
What's yours say?
Like 42.
I got more than that.
There's no way!
I don't know if I get to lie though.
I mean, there's nothing you can do about it.
Well, you can check right now.
You can literally pull up steam.
How do you have 40 now?
I play stage 31.
I got 40.
No, no, no.
That's not me.
Oh, me.
I think I got 40.
Your hours are faithful.
What is that?
And your hours aren't?
Bro, you got like eight brothers, you're probably like fucking hacking me, that's good at night.
It's like, I hear Quinn 1 plays it.
Eight brothers, you think I'm Mormon?
Yeah, it's like Ogre 1 and Ogre 2 from Halo.
It's like Quinn 1 plays for towers and Quinn 2 plays for like another 10.
That's double what you got, how the name Jebediah.
Are they actually?
Like, it sounds really cool.
How's this game going?
Who's playing Poke Angles?
It's not going well for the primal, it's a restaurant.
He's pulling and jungling.
I think it is literally a restaurant chain. Yes, I know I know about
Oh, you've been no wonder pretty good. I don't think I've been to a bunch of these pretty. I mean hush puppies is about as southern as a kid
Are you guys doing this intentionally?
What?
Dude, what are we doing?
Oh, I like I listen up I would the tangent, but like I feel like I have a
Responsibility like I get paid for this. I feel like I got us through you guys back into the game somehow
All right, I'll ask a legitimate question
You you are known in some circles as a liquid slayer
Something I say that you have one of the highest land when rates against liquid of all time anybody. It's a true stat. Don't wind up
Why can't nobody beat this team right now?
And how did you beat them so often? What's the secret sauce give it to the people they want to know?
I feel like people don't try to counterpick Nisha and I feel like that's what we did
well is we drafted a lot around my matchup against Nisha and he was always
playing some hard matchup I was playing ember or pango and they were broken heroes
and he was sad but like they just blind pick primer the like offering might
would just offer his body up says Nisha take me and he's like all right fine
and then and then he's this happens is 21 and 5 to 40 and 15 so you would
have you would have just blind picked something that you felt could not
Yeah, I blind picked some miserable crap and blind pick Huskar. Is that why Nisha said he hates playing against the
Falcons because they just pick all this annoying crap. Yeah, I think Nisha like doesn't like
Like he's always scared of Huskar
He's they're always first been that hero against the teams that play it
But he doesn't like getting
Obnoxious in lane because he's just a player with the farm. He wants to be high network
He wants to be a Chad that's why he likes pucks so much
And if you can shut him down in lane and you like actually hurt his geek
When's the last time we saw Nisha play from behind now some of that is because he's really good
But a lot of it is because you don't even try to counterpick it
Too much aura
He does have aura the dude is like he looks like a roblox character his shoulders are so
What do you mean? It's a compliment get his own looks like a roblox character, but his shoulders are enormous
Still can't say that
John Robots
This game over or what?
Why do you think I was talking about bone angles?
They got blown in these lanes.
Really bad.
2000 net worth lead for Liquid already.
I do have Shadow.
I do have Shadow.
Two kills.
I kind of like Shadow.
Why do people stop picking burst damage carries against Largo?
Like what?
I think Sven was performing well.
Sven was actually one of the ones I'm a bit surprised to stop in.
That one was working pretty well.
like this SF Largo trade. I think so too. I mean why didn't they pick Tusk? It's in the pool.
Holy crap! They just dropped the Golden Fatal Bonds on all three of them here.
Sely's got the heals. I mean it will at least kick them out to ensure they have Power Ruins,
which it is a armor rune top. Children rune. I feel like this rocking for like Tower's
thing is a lame. I feel like Golem should have a mechanic that if you don't get a kill
in the first like 10 seconds of gold and then it just dies like it needs blood to survive.
What?
Yeah, like it's like-
Wait, what the hell are you saying?
Okay, you like the winner's, uh, winner's curse change for Winner Wyburn that killed the hero?
Which one?
But then if you don't get a hero inside of your soldier and it just disappears into the bottom.
I mean, mid one back.
That's our stop.
Oh, they got him.
Double kill!
Holy...
We're still back.
There goes that 2000 almost 3000 net worth lead for Liquid.
I love how every change Quinn has ever suggested in the years I've been in is like,
X mechanic I find either dumb or annoying, and therefore change should be
If you use X mechanic, you instantly go for the higher place.
Like that is just Quinn's bounce back.
It's just everything I don't like, you use go to jail 10 years.
Okay, my best thought idea is I think when Bane sleeps you and you get Nightmare, I think you should turn your monitor off.
Like, you should have to have teammates tell you what's happening.
Well, apparently that happens to Ace every time.
No, we already figured that one out.
You'll like it, Quinn.
We did it with the Slackscast.
It was the Freddy Fazbear.
That's Nightmare.
You get jump-scared.
That's good, too.
You know, like the old Screamers, like when you go through the maze or whatever?
The maze.
Yeah, like, if you've not seen those videos, you go through the maze, and then when
you get to the end it goes...
Oh, you don't have the video.
No, it's like a bit.
You like send it like, I mean it's like some $2,000 thing, you send it to your like a friend, and it gets scary.
Yeah, the video.
It's not a video.
What is this, like greeting card?
What is it?
It's like a website.
Yeah, the video plays on the website.
No, it's not a video.
Cat, back me up.
Yeah, you literally have to go through a maze.
Yes.
Oh, okay.
That makes more sense.
What do you mean?
I'm not going to explain it.
Do you think it's a video of a maze?
You weren't, this guy wasn't explaining.
Am I speaking to you Latin?
I thought I was talking about a real life maze, like you go to like a haunted house.
Take the out of that one.
It's the accent dude, I can't understand anything.
Snail on the maze, eh?
A's main.
A's main.
Pick Latin, you need to brush up on it.
This kez is bad.
I'm a little concerned for my mouse brother in right now.
Here comes Mikkei through the gate.
He's rushing to the bridge.
What a gigachat.
That is pretty gigachat.
I don't think that's a kez redditor guy is gonna like that very much though. No, but kez redditor
There's some guy who only posts about kez and makes youtube videos about kez
And he thinks the mckays kez is trash
What on Mars really?
Oh put Blake onto the kez whoopsies. Maybe he was right here. Yeah
Block, buddy block.
They didn't pick me up, didn't actually land, but it's okay.
Ooh, the pulverized Stops box, he's barge.
Now they're gonna go for him as well.
They're gonna go for him!
He's sick, yo.
Boom is done with it.
The hell out of my game.
Double kill for Boom.
Ame messing around.
He didn't hesitate for a millisecond.
He pressed even Ravage.
I didn't think about it.
I mean, I would do that too, to be honest.
First box, he was so gangster.
Yeah, he did not wait for, like, anybody else
got a spell, anybody else got a stun?
No, just Insta drops it.
To be fair, there's like two stuns
this entire game for them. So that is easy to keep track, you know? That was a nice play.
First dollar's owning. I was told this man doesn't know how to play Shadowpeer, but he
is just destroying the best team in the tournament right now.
Lookin' told you that was gravely mistaken. What is he doing? What is he doing?
Like, what does he think is gonna happen here? This guy doesn't make mistakes often,
but that was like... That was a really weird scene. That was so strange.
It looked like they assumed this director was not going to go off.
Well, that's what I'm saying. I don't really know, but maybe you thought Boxy had the god luck and was going to right click him and bash him.
Boom!
That's not like that place shaking his head.
Well, Miles is back in the game. In fact, they're leading the game, and so they're going to go to mid tower and take that too.
I mean I'm surprised they equinerated them so lowly considering they have the
celery and chancers which carried him to multiple lane victories by an extremely
wide margin. I thought he would have had more kills in it, to be honest. I do think
celery is probably the best chancers, I think the other one is Lapocha, but he ain't
playing right now. Yeah the backpack on this hero is pretty big, he's hopping that.
Right, this is the finals.
Hell yeah, brother.
Do you think Ace is a Largo player? You guys were talking about how they don't seem to be willing to pick it for him?
And you're drafting Tofu Largo all the time instead?
I think it should fit him to a T, right? He's the farming guy. He's Oragai, I'm tanky man.
See ya! Sonic Wave is not going to be enough! But another screen will be enough.
That's ace by the way. I agree.
Look at that, BMPause. Nice Sonic Wave nerd.
He's flying a cellar right now.
Also, don't forget the mental damage he did. Did you guys see the... he had that Centaur?
And uh, he denied the flag bearer from... Ace.
Hmm
He's not gonna like that
One thing I know about ease
What happened in mid ones camp? What's that thing? He does not like when you deny a creep in front of him
That's the final straw for that man
He goes ballistic. He stands on his desk standing on his chair
Can we see Asia on his desk again? Can we see that? Yeah, we had that clip saved
You really enjoyed that huh? Dude, I've never seen someone stand on their desk like that before
for. Actually, we did have a one time at our one of our boot camps,
there was like something with the lights that was wrong and our manager
at the time will not say who it was.
Jack Chen was not Jack Chen.
He stood on the desk to like go try to fix the light or something.
And it broke the desk and it was one of those expensive desks that was
up and down and the bootcamp facility was very unhappy with this
manager for breaking this desk.
I bet.
So like Jackson.
I don't think Jack could have got up on the desk.
That was a low blow, he's not limber, that was a low blow, he would agree with me that was a low blow
The jack had plenty of mobility till he ruptured his Achilles. I was talking pre Achilles
That's even a low blow. It's not
That's not really low. So my understanding of Jag as he was working on his yoga
Yeah, he's a lot more mobile than you think
Like a groundhog or something
He'll deliver some fast justice when you least accept it.
Maybe he'll vomit.
Like he's spry for his size.
Dense.
Dense man.
What is Gamma just like sitting there like, what is he pausing for?
I don't know, but Boxie just keeps on drawing circles.
What's going on with him?
He's drawing in the same area over and over again.
His hands are cold.
You had that problem.
But he disconnected like I don't like this kind thing helps you with your hands
I'm putting by the fire
Oh, that'd be tasty
You saw fire going in the background
The gentleman's way to play the game. You might have ran to the bathroom like envy did at that one land
What did envy do? He didn't he pause at a land ran to the bathroom to yeah
I do how water to warm up his hands because it was so cold
I respect that the hot water on their hands tight. It's good. I use that thing. I don't think it's what he told the admin. Yeah
Told the admin like life-threatening bowel emergency or something. Yeah, he's like I'm gonna go
It's either to be in your booth or your restaurant. So like yeah, that's on you brother
See that is the admin over made of like how what can they yeah?
What are you supposed to stay like cuz then they're gonna have to be in the room with the guy who soiled himself like
But you're also responsible for it.
Yeah.
You don't want that on your hands in life.
You know?
Three men smoke up mid one,
chrysalis, Yamich on the hunt for the frog man.
Largo, buh?
Largo, bye bye.
Got it.
Boom!
Pick me up right on top of them.
Bro, they just frog stomped the frog.
Yeah.
Goomba stomped his ass.
Who watches the watchman?
with frog stomps the frog stomper I never understood that don't the other
watchman just watch this is self-pest impossible Celery he's gonna bait a man
here this is the sonic wave goes down they just finished the finish off all
the charts up Smith walk boxy the superior bulldozer here rams right into
the primal beast now the gold is gonna be dragged up here the box is dead
mixes get gotta get out of here this crystal shadow theme is way too tough
to handle, though Ace wants a piece of it.
He wants to go get a revenge, but they got a Ravage.
They're going to get a jump onto the Largo, then Ravage him, then pulverize him, 100 and
zeroed, no songs played.
Where was this mouse for the first 20 days of the event?
Like, hello?
Hey man.
Were they being like shipped in or was it the late package or what?
They're legit owning.
What happened?
I don't know.
This thing flipped the switch.
I'm telling you, these goddamn zombie teams.
The second there's like no pressure on anymore, hang on, what does zombie teams mean?
I mean, what does it mean?
They're already dead, but they're still going.
Yeah, like they have nothing to live for.
Okay, okay.
It's like every NA team, right.
Yeah, we lost anyway.
Right, but you get to do some of the chance to drag someone down.
It falls down.
It's obvious.
Like you grabbed their ankle.
Oh, no, ankle grounding for sure.
Yeah.
Nothing can stop breaker charge, by the way.
Why did Boxy run right?
I could've joined his team, on left.
He ran away from his squad.
I don't think he expected this flank through the gate.
I think he thought he had more space to work with. This is also all pre-Largo.
I mean, how could you not expect it? It's Maus. They're going to 5-man.
Oh, that's their star stop. Charge on through, but here comes mid-1.
And they got the control of the cat. They're owning!
Holy shmole. The molishing liquid.
This is insane.
You bring Quinn on the cast and he just channels his liquid hater energy through the screen.
What do you mean, dude? You've got enough liquid hater energy for the entire talent cast.
That's not even true.
It is true.
Have you predicted them a single time?
No, but that's just for the memes.
Ah, sure, sure.
Have you predicted Tundra a single time?
No.
Why is that?
Just for the memes.
Oh, okay.
If you do it in a Cajun accent, it's acceptable.
I didn't say it in Cajun accent.
You were thinking, Mr. Bojangles?
I can't say that.
I can! I'm from there!
You can't.
Oh, back to Roshan they go after an extra kill.
Is this the meta now?
Just still bridge every carry?
I guess so.
He came to meta really fast.
This item is very good.
If you still have a hit breaker while he's charging, does he bash you?
He just gets mega slow charged, right?
Like his charge goes to 250ms or whatever.
That sounds like deep.
He also can't bash you anymore.
True, man, his ult does no damage.
Yeah, that's a good guy.
So wait, he slows down to a crawl, and then once he hits you, he doesn't bash.
He just does the base stun.
Yeah.
That's so bad.
I want to see that.
That was bad.
Thunder for 50 damage.
It's actually better than dispelling him, because it's more demoralizing.
You're doing psychosis damage to him.
I think Liquid's on to doing rat things.
They want none of this, SF.
They gotta get at least the Ags.
Whoo!
Close call.
They got it!
If they can get Ags, Quap, Ags, Largo.
Is that enough to teamfight Mounds?
Yes.
Are you sure?
Yes.
I mean, I think Mouses line-up still has scaling problems, like they have one Shadowfiend and doing consistent DPS, the rest of them are just helper pros.
And if you mess up your initiation and you play a long fight against Largo quad daggers, like you will get wrecked.
Yeah, but isn't Shadowfiend like the exact carry you just won helpers?
Yes.
I mean, I do think Shadowfiend is the reason this game is going so well.
Oh, there's a double eye-stopping.
Let's see what the five-man looks like.
You do have Peepay on the watermelon, though.
Huh?
By English.
Pipe on type.
Oh, pipe.
Did you talk this way on the...
Yeah, I did.
What? You guys do have Peepay?
For the record, I would not have allowed this.
Maybe I could speak like this back then, too.
No, I would not allow this. There's a certain principle you operate in a team.
Liquid's setting up for Tormentor, but there is a tier one tower, though now Maus is on the wrong side of the gate here.
Okay, Zeller is gonna go through, so don't worry guys, I'll do it.
Now the rest of the team is gonna start coming through.
Charge on through with the Sonic Wave, and the fatal bond! Oh god!
This is not looking the best. The Requiem goes out, pushes back some of these heroes.
They're going out to Klopp, got the Pulverize, thought I'm safe.
They're gonna burst him down to silence, comes out from Mid-Gate!
What a save! That keeps the Quap alive and here comes the Largoba!
Well, he pushed him into Largoba Christmas!
He's trying to use damage, he doesn't have the damage anymore, he doesn't have the Requiem anymore!
Now he gets buried, now he's gonna die!
Yeah, it's just gonna be the Shadow Fiend against all five of Liquid,
cause the buyback on Moxie, Moxie!
What a disaster!
Jeez, absolutely wrecked.
Yikes.
They broke Silent's Tide, he never gets pipe off.
Doesn't get a single spell. Don't through this gate. Trying to force the torments to control.
I thought it would have been better off just keeping it a tower with the viewers or something. Why didn't it?
It's such an awkward sequence. You're coming in the gate one by one. No one is there to help tide.
You get quad breaker charged.
That's pretty disgusting.
It went four or five and fatal bomb on everybody.
Fatal bomb on everybody.
Rear four, sonic wave on four.
This fight was over before it started.
This was your ASTEP Aegis. For what?
Yeah, that is not good.
Because this Marci Hero does not do anything in the mid game, unless she has Gorse who are dishing out the damage.
She is... kind of just... hit me up bot, eventually.
That sounds kind of like a still-pick-me-up bot.
sounds like some sounds like an AI thing in like a hey look I'm having a bad day
can you cheer me up I would I would pick me up on I could use to pick me up
like it's something that brother I don't think there's a strong enough force in
the world what the hell I can't say that it's your whole personality
It's memes, man. It's memes. Bad memes, but they're memes, huh?
Well, I guess the first item's still Rage paid off for that fight alone.
Yeah, that was pretty clutch.
Well, if I know a mouse, they're not going to be discouraged by a terrible team fight.
They're just gonna run it back.
This team, honestly, is the least scared of a brick wall I've ever seen at the NBA.
It's truly impressive.
I think their head is like so dented, it's just like a hammerhead shark.
They're dead dead on both sides.
They're dead to the first side, they just turn around.
Kostya might as well try the other, why not?
What is that?
Is that the Mortal Fate plus Calorie combo?
I guess so and motivate plus seven plus three soldiers
They follow the captains in the back. I guess it's four soldiers
I don't know. I got the free hole. Oh toss back into requiem. Oh, that's nice little play now who got silver edge broken
Pick me up Bob calm. Pick me up. He's doing work for doing nine right now
You said it was useless I said to become you so sure words on my mind
This guy's always twisting the truth. Oh, yeah, that's not true
That in and of itself is
That you can't hold me to that no record. Oh, so why does tofu like this not maxing out fatal bonds built?
20 points to the F? Just 2. He loves upheaval. I respect that. He's always loved upheaval.
I'm a upheaval fan too. I used to do this shit. It's goaded bro. When you lock him in
that cage of pain, you can't even walk. You feel like a god. There are a few higher
highs in Dota and watching a core struggling off of you.
Those guys are the safest.
There are a few things I've enjoyed in life more than upheaval-ing a $20,000 core.
Oh, Link Ravage just instantly onto the clone with a pick-me-up.
The charge comes through from Blight.
Way too late to save him and now he's possibly going to get just grabbed here, pulverized to one more second.
Nah, not up in time.
BKZ complete from mid one though.
You had some genuinely really fast commitments in this game.
Oh, yeah, I'm just like, boom, stun the hero, everything goes in your game in two seconds.
I legitimately think they look like the better team in this game.
They do.
They straight up expect, especially if you consider the bar of liquidists.
They look pristine in a lot of the matches.
Have we seen Largova yet?
Oh, there he is.
Yeah, there he is.
Go home to stop pick me up still gonna land on him silver edge broken pulled back down from the low ground
Well, there you go
Just kind of he was there then we just got this high ground right here
You don't have a reason for anything duty struggling stuck in the soup
It went the daggers slow them down. They don't have a lot of their ultimates anymore
No pulverize no ravage. Oh, and maybe stuck around a little bit too long to charge comes through box
He's stopping some of that one there goes to rekt green one of the final team fight ultimate
They got to get something out of this and pick me up.
The Sonic Wave goes through, but they finished off the Keds.
The fatal bonds.
What?
Sonic Wave was some damage, but Liquid don't have enough to follow through.
How did that not go better for them?
Well, no Largopa.
Yeah, I guess so.
Playing without the frog.
You just changed.
This game is super strange.
I mean, cast the strange, but the game is also super strange.
Speak for yourself.
Oh, come on.
You can't throw me under the puzzle.
After all I did you're one to talk after all I did for you
You Cuba I let you go. I did not I did it for me Cuba the best thing I ever did for you
I let you go
Let me go. It's higher. You let me go
Talking like I'm some pet turtle. I expect you free from any jail
Go on get out of here. You chased him out of North America
Go to your room.
Put the dog.
What a movie I think you have.
You know, which one?
It's like a movie.
The really old movie from the 90s with the dog.
And they have to like let the dog go in the desert.
Yeah.
It's like the old Yeller type.
It's like air butters.
It's not the 60s.
Come on.
Get out of here.
Go play football.
Go play football.
No, I spent the 90s.
Not the 60s.
They would not make a movie in the 60s about a dog playing basketball.
It didn't go so hard though.
Not the sixties!
They would not make a movie in the sixties about a dog flying basket!
Dude, they didn't go so hard though.
That would be for you, Charlie Chaplin.
Look at that!
I know, but it is close enough.
It's not close enough.
Well, I'll tell you what, it wasn't close. It was quite close.
They got Bond Stonically, but Yulestodge, Dispel, Celery Heal,
Vlad's life stealer just tainted it through.
Oh, he stopped the clop.
The clop's in trouble! The clop's in pulverize! The clop is dead!
Holy...
The heck is happening?
Liquid is feeding.
They really aren't.
I mean, they just gotta play around. Largo, right?
I don't think we've seen a single fight...
Where they go in with the song playing and the song strumming the whole way around.
5 on 5.
Yeah, but they didn't even try it.
Like, we legit...
Besides that one time when he went supply, we have not seen Largobah.
Just walked him down.
They also don't have armor items yet in this game.
So they're really reliant on the Largobahs to give him the armor of the fight,
which means if you don't group up a battle around the war, you get punished even harder.
They're also feeding so much that Shadowfiend's aura keeps getting stacked, so he's getting
an extra minus on her.
That's true, he still has one.
Shield rune for mid one.
You can get off the shield rune with BKB, things might be okay, the raptors comes through
and he gets off the shield rune.
Now he can turn and fight, the gloom's gonna be dropped on him here, mid case to
make it a run for with the BKB, an ace is escorting him out, they got too many
kills, most of the ports are gonna die off of this one.
He's just still hiding in the trees looking for dagger opportunities, but I think
This is already done and dusted.
Just like you can't walk into dagger people because he's afraid of just getting hauled.
I don't know, he needs VKB or something.
Man, I did not expect Liquid to actually be a Largo Fraud team, but somehow they are.
Like, it just, it's not working at all in this game.
I, I failed to under, like, it's so simple, though.
You get aggs, you bomb.
He's liquid incapable of ball?
They don't know ball.
They don't know ball.
Somebody ask Ace of Kevin Durantis.
You're just gonna walk airbugs?
That's all I know.
Is the dog's name Air Bud or is his name just Bud and he's in the air?
What kind of question?
What do you mean?
I was asking about the movie.
I don't remember.
If I bet his name, let's just...
No, I think his name is Air Bud.
Because he gets air, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, that makes his name.
It's like Air George.
His name is Buddy.
His name's not Air George.
You know what I'm saying?
No, it's the worst example possible because his name is Air Michael Jordan.
No, I'm saying they named the movie on the same premise.
Yes.
So his name?
His nickname is Air Bud.
His name is Bud.
His name is...
His name is a buddy.
His name is Buddy.
They're a Matthuzala.
Four minutes on Aegis for Malz to go high ground.
They've already taken one lane of Barracks, and they can probably end this game.
He's got stuff to do.
Back here, yeah.
31 Necromanceries back.
I'm still got that three lasting presence.
I'm trying to use something a little bit.
Eh, probably take out before the fight shows up.
here they come liquid what are you gonna do trying to get their bkbs they got a
bkb on quap they don't have it on Largo yet
instant anchor charge on through boxy the instant trouble he's just gonna be
silver edged the last couple of shots any high ground distance okay great
they'll stay alive chrysalis just continues to swing on the tier 3
tower. Why isn't he strumming? He's strumming that thing. Why isn't he strumming?
He's up his mana. He's got 1400. Needs it all.
Well now there's just going to be ravage. Now they're going to get jumped on. Pulverize goes down.
Golem is going to get dropped here, stomping the thumb of it, but the Largo's already dead.
Largo does have my back. Micky's almost dead. Micky's going to die. Don't wait. Parrys, he parries.
These things alive off the parry. Now the jump back came from Nisha. Trying to poke out of here.
Good hurricane pipe. Pushed back boxy, boxy in trouble, boxy dead.
That's a hero that doesn't have buyback. Buyback on the Largo may be for nothing here, if Liquid can't manage to put together a 4 vs 6.
Holy crap. It's genuinely shocking, but Mouses, they're the best team in the front of it.
Getting through his linkins, put another dagger on him, liquid just trying to poke him down,
but there's the anchor.
Pull him back, catchy lick, pull him away, it's not a great big damage!
Okay, that was a little spooky.
Almost kills the Tide Hunter, the SF on this fucking life, what are they gonna do
here?
Go out to the SF, hurricane pikes, down to low ground here, mouse, they get out
of sight before Boxy's spirit breaker can charge after.
That was actually not that bad.
They owe me...
Who's the Marci to a buyback for a while to go buy?
How did he even do 14,000 there?
It might have been built up from everything from bottom lane.
Yeah, yeah.
You see, this tight has 40 crack in shell.
Good grief.
That's a lot.
115 damage being blocked.
Man, I'm surprised after Liquid did this trade of...
of the enemy picks Kez, you pick Tide, that they were willing to just run into it themselves.
I feel like this is Kez's hardest counter. I've never seen Kez beat Tide on her.
It's definitely one of, if not the best offender to get against a hero.
I also think SF is one of, if not the two best against the Largo.
Yeah, I agree. Like, I feel like Liquid got slightly worse core trades, even if
their heroes are stronger in the meta.
Yeah. They are not guaranteed, but they're very close. Is it possible they're just trying this trade-off from a drafting perspective?
I think they're, I think they're pissed losing like this. Like, maybe you try Shmi, but when you try stuff and you still lose, it feels bad. Yeah.
Yeah, that trade-off is never worth it in the end. If you just lose a series, you feel like you never show off.
He's gone, Largo in trouble, it's Liquid done. They're gone, they're out of this game.
Jeez, released. Enough of that.
That was... man. They somehow just didn't do anything with this Largo.
And we talked about it, I think that's probably the best carry against Largo.
But I didn't think it would be this bad, but they just didn't even try to fight around him.
They just got picked off all game, yet it was completely dysfunctional.
The only fight to liquid one was the one that they were set up on the gate
That was the only like set up five on five that they had before mouse had a
Gigantically and that's why I'm left by following those four mouths setting up for them
Yeah, one by one through the gate get four man breaker charge. I
Don't know what you're supposed to do about that. You know, it's only so much position. It's gonna get you out of that situation
They're disconnected game
It's an interesting two with larger, but it should fit these yeah
Maybe they just haven't been able to play it enough?
I feel like 33 has been able to play it all.
And he also didn't look great on it the first few times that they were in this too.
Like it took him a bunch of reps to get to the playing world right now.
Maybe Liquid needs more reps with this hero, because it just gets danceable.
Well, apparently, Mouse needed more reps because...
...it went through this group stage, they're looking crazy good.
At least this game won against Liquid.
Yeah, but it's just the sign of things to come.
I am calling it right now, mouse. The king's players have finally arrived into this tournament.
They took down Aurora Gaming yesterday, and they're gonna do it again against Liquid.
Have your frog, if it even is your frog, you fraud.
What is going on here? I can't believe this.
The 100% win rate, effectively, hero, with an asterisk, because the hero has lost in Group Stage 2.
Finally lost again in the hands of the best team in the tournament, Aiden.
Explain yourself. So actually got off the phone with jobs who gave me insider information about what's going on inside a team like which study and
apparently
Blitz was giving some advice about how to execute the early game to the team that could squad and
He was trying to instruct them how to play this game and the team try to follow his orders to an exact
That's me and this was the outcome. Yeah, so that coaching from William Blitz Lee
And you tell me he typically does not do that
Not when they're winning. When they lose, it's a very common occurrence.
So William likes to associate himself with the team when they're doing well.
So he'll come and give extra advice so that he can then later go on interviews and say like, I did that.
So I think in this series he was trying to set himself up for that kind of success.
And usually it falls flat and here it falls flat once more.
But in a more likely scenario, Effie, what do you think happened in this game number one?
Because they got the frog and they lost with the frog.
I don't know if I buy that Ace is about at Largo, I think he isn't.
At least from what I saw at Blast, he owned on that hero.
His game vs OG in Gryfftage 1, he also owned that, but it has looked kind of bad the past
couple of days.
I don't know if I want to jump to the conclusion that it's an Ace issue rather than the draft
that didn't enable it correctly.
If you look at the draft and there was a...
People are going to believe you, Aiden.
Okay, I woke up this morning and I had a message on Steam that said you are a
hoe from Blitz.
Okay?
No reason! I did nothing. No interaction, alright?
Sure, it wasn't deserved.
It was definitely not deserved, but I will deserve it.
With my behavior from this point onward, I will deserve it.
You earlier, I think yesterday, we were watching the cams for Team Liquid, and you were like,
Oh Blitz gives an air of confidence whenever it's on the webcams.
But actually when you're in the booth, he's like,
Should we take Largo? I don't know.
Is that why you're a home?
Okay, me stating facts to the people at home is null.
That is like, just me representing the truth for the people at home.
Uh-huh.
That's all that was.
Because as you said, you would never lie on a panel.
Not to the people.
Not to the people.
To you guys maybe, but never to the people.
Not to you.
What if the people interpreted it as being for them?
Yeah, then what?
What do you mean?
Then I wouldn't be lying.
But you're speaking it to us, and through Osmosis,
they're hearing you.
And they're like, oh, well, Blitz really did give bad advice to Team Liquid.
Yeah, that's what happened.
And then look at his Instagram DMs afterwards.
You're going to be the one accountable for that?
I'm the one sending the messages right now on Instagram.
He doesn't know about my 72 Instagrams, Nerf.
That's how you get on me.
All right, Quinn, we heard a lot of your thoughts during the game,
which that was a very enjoyable try cast,
but you also are well familiar with Ace.
What's the situation here?
Is it fair for me to just point at him
or is it more fundamental stuff?
Like, OK, they got the shadow fiend on the mouse.
There's other aspects to this that I can look at.
I mean, my actual best theory is I think
Largo pairs better with Range Force. I think it pairs better with heroes to help him play the lane because the hero is actually a pretty strong laner.
And he wants heroes that have follow up because I think Largo is like half tank, half back line, and that you sort of shift back and forth between the two so you can do damage and then also heal.
And I think Liquid only plays melee force pretty much recently.
Or Boxie lanes in the safe lane and Topa lanes in the offline lane with a ranged hero.
And so I think if they're going to play Largo on Ace, then I think Tofu should lane with him on a ranged hero
because I think for gameplay and the way you skirmish and fight with the frog, protect his areas and his camps,
I think it just functions better if they've arranged for.
And I think they're running into this, like sometimes there's weird draft issues with the heroes you're picking
and you don't exactly see what's wrong because if you look at the draft as a whole, it looks fine, right?
Like you can say maybe this or that, but overall it looks totally fine.
So then there's these little idiosyncrasies, and I think that's my read on what specifically is wrong with them in this era.
Sure, I can get into that, but then I would have thought that even if these idiosyncrasies are missing,
the mid lane matchup should have been so favored for a queen of pain over a final beast that maybe you can cover up some of these holes that are missing from the rest of the draft,
and yet even that wasn't able to supplant the issues.
And he found his way back into the game. His top lane did exceptionally well.
Like he had heroes to play off of. Even if he's behind a network,
he was able to just play on these mid lanes and find kills very good.
And that's the beauty of having a high tempo draft like the one that Maus had. And honestly at this point,
I have to kind of feel frustrated on behalf of Maus. Not that,
not about their performance, but rather the teams
just kind of decided they sucked. And then they haven't really drafted against them in a way that's
respectful of Crystalless, for example. Like he's great on Shadowfiend. It's one of his best heroes by far.
They're like, ah, we'll give it away. It smells. I mean, I don't think after yesterday's performance, you can do that here if you're liquid.
Yeah, I mean, we talked about another one of their series where I think liquid has been like, they've been getting sloppier, to be honest.
I think they were stronger at the beginning of group stage 2 than they are now.
Like I think they're downsliding slightly due to whatever reason, who knows why, but I do think there's a slight cockiness.
Aiden thinks it's William Lee, I'm not going to claim to say so.
He would never lie to the people, so it's not to be said.
He would never lie to the people, just to us.
So yeah, I don't know, I think Liquid is definitely downsliding a little, but it will
save her mouse's perspective.
It feels really good to be underestimated.
Whenever you think you're good or when you think you're improving it, everyone thinks
you're trash, yeah, think of trash.
We'll see what happens when the score comes out.
That's what feels good.
When they think you're trash and you win anyway, oh, that's the sweetest feeling.
It is the best feeling.
And it's something that is more akin to what they've been doing throughout group stage 2
because you showed us in the pre-match what they did against Aurora specifically,
was stepping out of their box that we've put them in.
However, this one was a little bit more similar to what they've been doing throughout the majority of group stage 2.
So maybe they're even getting their mojo back for their fundamentals.
Yeah, maybe so. I mean, like, I think this is one of these teams that I always look at their draft and I'm like,
Well, I'm a bit sus of it because they just draft in a way that is very different than the way I would like to draft
I think that is just a mortal fate styles
He picks things in a very specific way and it looks a certain way has certain strengths and a certain weaknesses
He's not trying to show up everything. He's trying to have a very power
He's trying to spearhead. He's got one point here and maybe his flanks are a little weak
But he's just gonna look to try to do this. That's the guy's tech
So it's always gonna look a little off
But if you play a while you can run over people like this Pierce the armor so then
William Lee is in the booth right now, and I have to imagine part of the conversation revolves around Largo
If you could get in his head. Okay, do you remember the picture with puppy in mid one?
The picture with puppy in like at TI when puppy's like looking at one like he wants to kill him
Yes, but then Claire when he was leaving the booth he was just like I feel like that's like William and ace right now
Which I they were
second pick for that one because Shadowfiend was picked one. I was actually
curious about that. You listed the bands but I forgot. Yeah. Was Beastmaster
one of those zeros? Beastmaster was one of the bands. I was like oh mid one
should definitely pick Beastmaster. Liquid banned it. Right so
Christalus played Beastmaster yesterday for the first time I think this
event if I'm not wrong and I think that kind of made them up the priority
on Beast and they decided to give up the SF instead and sometimes like for
For miles it couldn't be enough to just find one more hero for crystal is to suddenly open up like everything now that they have to
Consider Beastmaster carry it suddenly moves up to band territory
And then the s that comes through and they get a game like this where they can snowball off of the rest of this
Comfortable so it could just be that they found like they were trying kezer there in the event
Yeah, and now they found these family like okay
this works for us and suddenly you go from being like a bottom of the
Table team to like very threatening because the draft isn't as easy anymore for your opponents
And that's been the most likely solution because Maus we've been criticizing their hero pool
They're making it look more and more first how will they be able to take down another Titan of group stage to find out when we return
You know I'm your heart's desire Come too close and you'll get furloughed
That's just a lesson learned
All right, give me what you got
It was all music, don't you know
Give me what you got
Won't you ever let it stop
This is what you want
No, no, no, no, no, no
And if the rush
Just got me up
Kiss my mouth, huh?
Kiss got me up
And if the rush
Just got me up
Kiss my mouth, huh?
All right, give me what you got
Cause I'm using the tip of your tongue
Give me what you got
Won't you ever let it stop?
Just me
Hey, hey, hey.
Don't wanna see the fog.
Once we were both so happy, just hanging out,
there was no doubt.
Why did we take all granted?
Oh, that was good.
I wish we could find what we had,
and bring it back on track.
Get one more chance
Don't wanna get it
Don't wanna stop now
Perhaps get it one more time
Don't wanna see the fire
I know we broke at moments
We're both the same
No one's to blame no
I'm sure that you agree, it's not over yet
Let's not forget, love won't stop this time
It's not gonna run so good
Love won't stop, yeah
Don't wanna do this to death
Don't wanna do this to death
It's not gonna work, smile
Just one more try
I wanna say that I'm gonna do this to death
Oh, look how green one's had just can't be denied
If we both realize we're waiting
Come on, let's do it all
Come on, let's do it all
Come on, let's do it all
Let's get the fire up, fire up!
Don't wanna see your fire up!
Let's get the fire up, fire up!
Don't wanna hear this dance, don't wanna see your fire up!
Don't wanna see your fire up!
Oh my God, I can see that!
Oh!
This just sucks.
I
So baby, don't lie, won't you get into the ground?
Yes, I'm right behind you, and you're watching the truth.
So come with me, you won't leave the kids behind.
Let this fight go on, in my mind.
It's all over, I'm still in for you.
Time for a game number two of the mouths versus liquid where FDN needs you to set the tone
as my co-host.
Take your pick of all of the different video lines that we have for what I should be expecting
the rest of this series.
Let's go liquid.
Let's go liquid.
Oh my God, it's like he's here.
That was crazy.
That was sick.
That was sick.
That sounds...
This is awesome!
Let's see it again. Sounds like a mouse 2.0 though.
Because if you want to see it again, that means that they'll win the entire series.
You think there'll be a Game 3 tsunami?
I've got a line for him though. It's 2.0.
Okay. They have to have something...
I don't think there's going to be a Game number 3.
Damn, you don't believe in a set first place?
This one's so good.
Now when you leave Largo in the pool, cause it is not banned out, same with Tree and Protector.
Both flip through the first phase of Bands, and Liquid has kind of proven that neither
of those two heroes are really favorites of theirs, so why not go to old tried and tested
shout-off game and take it away from Mouse?
Not that they've taken SF away from Mouse.
They don't really have that first pick.
We're still here to build around, I mean I guess they're still DK.
I know you're a big believer of that for them.
Yeah, it's like, I feel like it's just what they were picking, you know, like it's just, it was just DK or Jarvan, that was it.
I was gonna say, I feel like neither of these teams, or like, Miles is definitely not a Largo team in my mind.
And I wonder if Liquid will pick it and play it 5 over picking Triant, and then we get Miles Triant.
I think that might be how this plays out.
Yeah, it's very possible.
That is actually interesting that for the most part, Celery used to be a big Triant enthusiast, right Clint?
Yeah, so it's like Street, but I think it's not like it's not even close to the same tier like Ench, Chen, and Aiyo, Pugna
For his favorites. Yeah, but there's no fault. I mean, it's like Chen and Aiyo and Ench above the rest
and then everything else is like tiered below the tree is like a couple of trees that- trees.
Here's down.
To me, I'm most interested in this Phoenix Band. I think it's a little peculiar. Like, Liquid can play it, sure, but it's not like some Giga hero there.
So to me, it says they wanted to play in Shadowfiend.
Like, it was not like Phoenix is more important than Shadowfiend, right?
That's absurd.
So, they were just saying, we want to play in Shadowfiend.
They feel like they have good answers to it.
That's a bold statement, because I think Shadowfiend is maybe a liquid single best hero.
So, we'll see if there's a hubris microphone on this one, man.
I feel like it's like they wanted SF and they wanted them to pick Largo.
And if they banned SF, they would give the Largo away for free.
I just feel like that's such a...
Like, it's a big cope?
I think so too, but I think that's the only way I can see that this makes up.
Yeah, okay, fair.
Because I feel like giving us something getting Razor does not seem like a solid enough game plan.
Yeah.
There's a triant.
Well, maybe this is the trade I thought they would get, like they would get Razor plus 3, I guess that's us.
Yeah.
I think that's what they're going for here, with the Razor plus 3, because...
Razor in crystals' hands looks like a different hero for him, and again, it's something that you can open the phase with and just strengthen your draft for a good one.
He's got overall last pick in the sum too.
Yeah.
I think the annoying part about the Shadow Fiend for Liquid in particular is that Nisha is so good on it.
Yeah, it's like it goes in both lanes, and I think both of them are just like geniuses of this hero, if I'm honest.
Yeah.
I think it's very few teams that have both the mid laner and the carry player, where I feel like they're very enthusiastic about playing as well.
Yeah.
Now both of them have played at this tournament as well because Micae has
actually played it the most. Four games and not lost a single time. Nisha
played it three times and lost against the bedroom.
I feel like I've seen these exact three heroes from Likova IV in this order.
It's not the case but they are good together. It's two setup heroes.
It's a nice amount of skirmish initiation. You've got some go-ins.
It's a nice balance of heroes and they're also relatively kitey against Razor and Tree
which I think is what you want.
You want some ability to sort of stay in and out, hope people with the cogs or reset or
whatever the case might be because you don't want to let them latch onto you and have
Razor steal a million damage in a hog wild.
The interesting small thing between rendering and tree hunt is you always want to latch
people to trees, right?
In case for tree inlets.
In the trees?
trees and hodling cows is one of the few supports that can actually like find you
in the trees. You see that synergy? You see that synergy? It's crazy. I think
Largo is still a very interesting question more tree? Yeah, I'm much
tree. Huh? Is that a thing there? I don't think it was on the list of fours
because we had it upright. It wasn't but I guess it's a fence to build. Yeah. It's the
What type of hero did he play?
He has played it actually. He got two games against Gamer Legion and he also beat Falcons with it.
What did he buy? What's his build?
The tree protector, he goes Blink Dagger and Shard in one game against Falcons.
Against Gamer Legion, it was Blink Dagger, Ghost Scepter, and then the other Gamer Legion game it was Blink Dagger Windlice.
I have the technology to see a steel build.
I can show you one of them. It takes me longer to find more of them.
And one of the games he went leech seed one, then that max living armor was won in the grasp.
He does kind of the same build as you do those five.
I was wondering if there was like some tech where you max the W and you just pay for like a lot of root on time.
But it seems like it's not the case.
They've also just swapped positions before, like I've seen Yamato and Tossip just go
bottom with their ranged carry on Crystal and Snout, it could be that Salvi could just
go top and he could play from the safe lane as a support.
And then you could just run Pugna plus Vrsel, which also looks really good.
Vrsel's interesting, it's, I wouldn't say it's traditionally particularly good
against Shadowfiend.
Maybe the dynamic change is when you're getting living armors, so he can't cut through you
quite as fast and you can run around and go over them and stuff, but generally I would
say this is a very free Shadowfiend game.
You don't have to buy BKB, you can just buy Manta and just right-click everything.
Definitely better on the hitting SF than Spell Build against these heroes for sure.
Overgrowth is pretty good against Spell SF because you just root him when he's pressing
Requiem and it's very sad.
Yeah, no, I fully agree.
I feel like Pike, Manta, very good items in this game for any carry hero.
I'm just very happy to buy both of those.
So I would imagine Mickey kind of really wants to play it.
You know who else gives you a Dispel? Largo.
Yeah, I don't feel like they're gonna pick it.
Yeah, but I was thinking here that if they don't pick it here then your theory is correct
in city of that they decided they don't like it anymore.
It's even more discouraging that they went for a very obvious support duo.
Wow!
Centaur Boo!
Cause then maybe I would have given like, okay they could flex the Largo to support
but everything's very on the table right now
Boo that Centaur offline
That's not me
That's not me
But I respect the Boo
That's a good Boo there
Alright so there's some downtime right now
We have nothing to say about the draft
Do you see anything interesting about Miles as heroes?
I'm panicking
Oh
Could it be minus armor strategies? Oh my god. They're doing the minus armor strategy way
Plus I have the storm it's crazy. They're doing the minus armor synergy. Oh, and the other side of the minus armor with hood wind
Q
But is not even remotely the same thing a flight stone right?
Clearly not the same
Jason you know
Next door
He didn't you talk the healing synergies
But I was kept we defrauded that one real quick
What I'd not agreed that it was a fraud
We're talking about the living armor
Yeah
Healing synergy
They picked coddle Chen and then they picked coddle warlock
You're impressive button. I'll turn one
Whoa 3d
You have the power cap use it wisely
Who knows what you know, it's crazy to me. It's how frequently people go for the minus armor strategy
It's almost like it's in every single game
I mean you only need two sources of minus armor for it to be a minus armor strap everyone knows that right
And you only need a
Chrysalis here on the board DK still gets banned out despite the fact that Razor's already on the board
You know why they ban Sardar, right, Adam?
Why do they ban Sardar?
You tell me.
Because of the minus armor synergies.
Exactly.
Corrosive...
You know who else gives the minus armor?
Venge.
Dragon Knight.
Dragon Knight?
Yes!
How?
Corrosive, uh, the Green Dragon.
The Green Dragon.
Right.
Yeah, that's good.
That is good, Cheever.
That is good indeed.
I do want to say though that while Bristle may not have an easy time on the lane, like
this front-line Bristle with the living armor plus the pugna ward plus the pugna healing,
it's going to be hard to cut through at some point in the game.
I think Maus is like the best thing they have going for them right now is, I think
Centaur is traditionally pretty bad against Bristleback.
Pyrr does not have much armor, and they do have a lot of minus armor, like memes aside.
Yeah, for real.
It's pretty bad against Bristleback generally.
Bristle's best against blobby dudes who lack armor, so Tide, Centaur, and you just chump them.
Because you use so much damage per hit.
And now they're so well-rounded in their damage sources.
They've got pure damage and magic damage coming out of the Queen of Pain,
who will be going up mid against Nisha's avoid spirit.
Yeah, that is a lane that is quite skill-based, I think the most likely outcome is a roughly
draw-ish, but Queen can do very well and Void's spirit can win slightly.
It's a pretty good Queen game overall, I'd say.
And I think this draft is quite Maus, and it's playable, it's a playable game.
They surprised me last game, I thought the draft was worse than they won, so to
me it's like, I'm kind of just bad at judging Maus drafts because they picked to fit
them not to fit what a typical archetype of a good draft is.
I feel like SF 1v9 is this game, I don't know. That's my take on this game.
Because it's Nikkei or just based on Nikkei?
I actually, I think Shadowfiend in this game with Liquid and the heroes surrounding him,
I feel like he's going to be 15-1 and 27 or something at the end of the game.
There is precedent for that. It is one of the Nikkei's.
Oh, I just see that!
I'm gonna see it soon enough.
Affi.
Put the buttons down and show me your brain.
Time Hero's on the board.
I think like in Stanius that it's a very good SF game and it can see make a popping off
But I also think this draft is very good for me.
I think I feel very positive seeing this with one queen of fame and what it can do for the game
It's not really threatened by support rotations because that's our clock plus hoodwink and
Crystal is the famous for his razor. Don't underestimate it.
the man has probably trademarked that hero for himself yeah yeah you know what
my main issue is I don't know if he is a really is a good hero or not I know
this this is like crazy considering he's like a hundred percent contest rate
yes and a hundred percent win no it was like 67% win rate really yeah I mean
liquid lost with yesterday yes but I'm assuming that's what your skepticism
It's not exclusively that it's just like I don't I play a lot of chain. You just don't know if it's good
Now's the way to find out after you would you like to spend us out with a click a click give me a click?
Can't ask for anything about it
Well, Liquid, and Nisha in particular, after losing Game 1, feel like they need to make
certain demands out of Maus.
Nisha has requested that Qwop don't skill Dagger and Celery don't Deward Mid.
I've never seen Nisha be this chatty.
Yeah.
Oh, that's awesome.
The most surprising part of that is not what he asked for.
The fact that he's saying anything at all.
Yeah.
What is he ever even all chatted?
You can't think of a suit my mommy all chatted the other day. Yeah, I was only at that right now
I don't know. Maybe it's the right the quiet players are finally having something to say. What did he say? Oh man
They said they pause and they said lag or something like that and he said I'm like
That's good
See that's the power when you don't talk very much when you say something means a lot and speaking of talking a lot
You good boy, you need a break. I mean, you're just on the whole time. I'm just I'm just doing my job
You're doing a great job. Thank you
Who's the evilest mid-player left in the scene?
Let me think about that one actually okay get back
I can't believe Aiden is a tree player and he thinks this hero is fake.
Yeah, that's- this hero is definitely not fake.
Now, right up us slightly inflated winrate is Midgate is the first blood nobody had down.
Oh yeah, a bristleback pugmalane getting first blood this early? What happened?
He's always just running down with boots.
Sallot cancel.
Sallot cancel and he might still get up.
He's gotta get up.
He's dead.
charges these five tree and be in pause holy shit they are just dunking on him
okay after further review I think the most evil mid players actually Mallory
okay I think though I think the wave dragging has done irreparable damage to
Dota history would you say Mallory has ruined Dota no but I do think wave
dragging is cringe and anyone who's propagated it is your replay against
Yeah, I did when he was cutting the wave a little one with Bristleback.
He did play late in the back, though.
Yes, that was vile.
It was funny, though.
It was hilarious when you weren't playing against it.
It's kind of good, though.
Gotta admit.
When you could do it, yeah.
It was very good.
Oh, I kind of like Miles' lines.
Like, yeah, it has some issues, but that's how they draft.
They got the crystalis razor. What was the disrespect for the crystalis razor in this tournament if you will forgotten
What this man can do on this hero?
If you had to take one person as a razor you taking a mar or a Maori you take Chris taking Michael Jordan
taking airbud
Like dude, he could be really good
I'm taking this I feel like I'm taking ATF
But, Cristalus studied with Athea.
He studied the way of the electric sword.
So that he kind of let it go like mind-melded twins, you know?
You think he's ever seen Blade?
Who, Cristalus?
No, I'm R.
No.
No.
Cristalus is a chance.
Because he's a meanie like that, you know?
Probably Corp.
He's like, Ice Gate, no kill.
That's a blade core, right?
There's a blade too.
Electric Google is always trying to ace the data pills.
Wait, you can play that?
You just did?
Uh, you were talking about the Void Spirit vs. Quad matchup.
Living armor I have to imagine makes that far more favored for the Quad Barummy.
It's like a little bit more annoying.
To be honest, I think the fact he isn't skilling Q is bizarre.
I feel like the only way you can win this lane as queen is if you skill Q.
If you don't, you're just accepting a draw.
But Nisha told him not to.
Yeah, but like...
Okay, there's like a psychological dance there.
Like the fact that he says it, maybe he actually wants him to?
Oh, God, a mickey.
It's the final raise to blow him up.
The battle continues in this top lane.
They're just going at it up here.
Definitely, that's the thing, they're over time.
Okay, so why do you not skill Q?
You think, oh, Nisha's too good, he's gonna disimulate Dodge, all my daggers, so there's no point?
I mean, basically as soon as you skill Q, the entire lane becomes a little, you pump fake dagger a hundred million times,
and he pump fakes disimulate, and it's just, it's just like, you're just reflex checking him all the way.
Oh, how do you get that water with?
Well, I'll click on the two of them, since he actually lived because of that, he does.
So you're saying that mid one was afraid Nisha was going to out pump them.
I think he thought he was going to get out pumped.
So you might say Nisha is the pump king.
I think he's a pump champ.
He constantly looks like he's got a pump.
What did you out pump Nisha?
I don't think so.
That's irrespective of all of this.
Box to get his eye on your quills.
This pop lane is a fast spot.
This curry plane is just a straight message for Vol'Tien when he's playing that too.
He's got a lot of stats.
Turn back around.
All stick charges keep Mikkei alive, but ever so barely, Chrysalis hiding around Ace does
actually get hit by the Stomp, so he misses out on the kill.
He didn't get Stomp, he might have got the kill.
I will say them picking Centaur and just totally ignoring Lar'Globa, also picking
Centaur into Razor I feel like is minus aura and I think it hurts their chances to win
the tournament in the long run. See that's the pump right there.
Close the beast. That's true we do have the literal pump champion though.
How often do you as a team think about that? You saying it hurts their chances winning
the tournament as it goes on? As in they have an exploitation in the draft?
Oh, he just ran across three times in a row.
I'll just have that.
A little bit.
I think you think about it in longer tournaments, for sure.
Like in some shorter, like, last form, and I think you maybe don't think about it as much.
But in, like, Dream League is a very, very long tournament with a lot of games,
so I think that stuff matters. Like, it adds up.
Okay.
I feel like I always thought about it. Maybe I thought about it too much.
So I feel like there's a point where you go to your team really guys if we can't play against this hero we can't win
I think that's a very common thing
So I don't know how to get out of cons. I think you just a mask
It's like I mean he doesn't have the electric man on his team
So maybe Chris is like yo, I need everybody to take electric damage. He is vegan too
What is that electricity in there? It's funny
There's something entertaining to me, it's still about the fact that door to players just have these random, like none of these tags are sponsored tags in any actual sport.
Well, all the liquid ones.
Yeah, because they have, you know, they're killing it out here at the Alienware facility.
But it's still funny that it can just be stealth-re-dotted, you know, like this guy's playing on like a TI final and it's just stealth-re-dotted.
I like it.
That's what I'm saying. I like it too. I think it's hilarious.
A little bit of flavor.
Imagine that happen in traditional pro sports.
You're just in a World Series final or something.
Well that's replaced by the players actually.
You're just like Trout.Eagan.
Wisdomtrain is taken on the other side, so it's still split.
I tried to pick the one player I felt like the least Europeans would know.
I didn't pick this person.
Okay, I wonder.
Sorry, because I don't know the ball.
You really sold out your American brother there.
Mike Trout is a very acting name.
Holy cow.
I want to kill it though.
You know the Neapolitan ice cream?
I feel like that guy bleeds red, white, and blue.
I know the ice cream isn't that close, but just giving the visual of it pouring out
of its veins in a tricolor.
You're making questions of things on that one.
Requiem... what the bristle back they do made him get him.
Okay, he's really fat now.
And it does lead a...
Completely alone as the hoodwink opts to go for Power Rune at 8 minutes.
Oh, a word for the Centaur, man, uh...
This does now look like an easy Centaur game, the way he's gonna sit up here.
Celery, body block, body block, trying to get him inside the cogs.
Bushwack, and that'll get him inside the cogs.
It's almost like Boxing didn't know Topu was gonna be here.
He's putting the moves on him now.
Battery assaults and one final hit from Nisha.
They'll go back to the board as well.
Still though, it's a support for support tradeoff
and the Centaur lost the loss in that bottom line.
Centaur's losing a lot at the same time this SF is.
He's getting better.
They're all pumping up here in the zone.
They did say he thought this was a game
where SF was gonna go 15-1 and 27.
might be right.
Okay wait, isn't Neapolitan ice cream actually red, white, and blue?
Could it be strawberry, vanilla, and chocolate?
Or something else?
It's pink, white, and brown.
How is that red, white, and blue?
Oh wait, what am I saying?
Where's the blue?
I'm on a slide.
You literally just listed three colors.
I listed the other three colors.
Okay, well there is red and white.
There is red and white.
Damn it.
The blue is the lightest and the brown has gone over the fact that Quince has three different colors.
Our list of lightest to put it lightly.
But what's limited?
Your artistic talents.
That's true.
Maybe that's why.
Maybe you don't know colors.
Man, doesn't know ball, he doesn't know colors.
I am still surprised at how bad that lighting bowl was.
That was so bad.
Which I still don't understand how you can't paint a single one.
Let's stop.
Dude, I have no...
You have one try.
Paint doesn't...
Like, you can't fix it.
It's just a try to stop Shane painting his single.
Like it was hard
That's not my game. You know race or you could have done it. Yeah, cuz I could just do it infinite times
I'm a reps man
I'm a reps man
10-minute power room liquid here in force now's I have to give it up. It's
What's the ant damage?
I don't want to ruin my team.
I don't want to ruin my team.
The instant TP might get bonked though.
The Trim Protector tries to get to him,
does not get to him in time, so Celery dies
as he was trying to back
back for the tier one.
So BM played.
What do you mean that's bonked?
He gets amp damage runs mid.
It's the TP's bonked Celery like
screw you man.
I mean it was a pretty big gold exchange.
She killed Celery and stopped him from getting the last hit on the tower.
I'm not saying it wasn't good.
I'm just saying.
Now she's really hate that guy.
I feel like I killed him with a sailor.
Oh, Rune!
He just might!
Bushwack and Hochran both gonna come in.
Celery is definitely dead.
Crystal's gonna get a good drain out,
but they can't stop Boxing from keeping away.
Locked out with the Cogs.
No SFs coming over.
They're going to keep this going.
He's going to chase him after Crystal is.
And he is completely surrounded.
Push whack, because maybe if you dodge that one as well as the remnant, he dodges all the spells and still dies.
Yeah, that's not good.
I somehow, I feel like mid one is actually not really a co-op player.
If there was that period when Miles was owning all the time and they would pick co-op every once in a while and they would always lose.
I feel like this guy just something about it you didn't quite get it. I don't know
What's your second favorite is a clock nine slash what's your third
Necrophos what's your fourth favorite Amber what's your fifth favorite stop asking me questions
How many of them do you have right this comment? I don't know
I'm just kind of doing this off the dome piece
Is that why you like that growing guy?
Tuzzi, isn't he like a crepe?
So?
He's still on with that
Don't have though
I feel like people don't generally accross it
I'm doing fine
You're not the crepe to be fair
I got a nice dome though
You do get a nice dome
Look at him dude, he's banging
You see?
You can't even see his head
He's got like a weird scary hat
Yeah, because while we're on, it's too banged.
You have to cover it up.
They need overgrown and suck here.
What?
You heard me.
All right.
They need overgrown and suck.
The pug must suck.
Usually it's like in the overgrowth.
So I've got to reverse the order, getting the job done.
It's gotta take away some of the stacks,
some of them are just gonna stack in defiance of them taking the stacks.
Nickgain's getting some trouble, they have to stampede, get him away from the tree.
Somehow I feel like those aren't that far behind.
I don't know for how poorly this game is going.
Whoa! Instinct break on the tree there from the bush black!
Requiem is going to go out, fearing back these heroes, pushing them around inside the cogs.
They're going for the straight first, but Sonic way just to push them right back,
and get Heroes Flow, nobody dies quite yet.
Maywon still wants to chase after them, though that is scary.
Now he's going to push right, now he's going to be remnant, pulled back into the races.
Good hit from Celery though.
Crepe 5, is it enough damage when they assimilate?
They don't chase, they back away.
This Bristol back is still a bit of an issue.
Try to hit him with a remnant, the Quills end up finishing off the hoodwink,
And the cogs...
Oh!
He's just stuck!
Let's go back in.
What is this fight?
This fight's just some bizarre old clash.
There's 10,000 damage dealt
and they lose Twirl for Tree.
That is a lot of sustain
coming out from Maus.
There's an arcane rune voids here.
You got three Asheful Steps off
four of Remnant.
But couldn't kill anyone.
Multiple vessel targets.
What killed the tree?
He wasn't a bill, that was a point.
No, no, no, the tree for the bushwhack! I don't know.
It was like he got quelling bladed, but...
Maybe there's a weird interaction with the rendent and bushwhack at the same time.
I'm genuinely...
Oh, knocked around by the cons, but Stellarys there.
Protecting boy.
Okay, stuff like that happening worries me for Liquid.
The fact that Golan is like half HP hero, they can't even kill him.
Like Void Spirit's slowly dropping down a little bit on that worth.
I feel like Maus can very easily win this game.
Or you think Liquid are like miscalculating to these players or just out of the salary?
Yeah, like this go top two, it's like they just go on a full HP bristle, they do like 20% damage to him.
Like what the heck is happening?
I also compare it to the games we saw yesterday where they have like incredibly fast and clutch
Coiled tiny slabs from today. Yeah, they need this kill because they need the urn charges
He's out of urn charges now in Isha, which the spirit vessel against all these heels is so important
I also say the one thing about the slipwood draft that I find interesting is I think this is one of the first drafts I seen where
They don't really have a farming support
And normally tofu is like taking up that you know, I'm gonna let you run around box
He played like a skill 5 year kill style first-tier trust whatever I'm gonna play like this channel, you know warlock farming heroes
They have to kill me to activate the support
It's a decent trade-off if they can finish off the razor, but they do not so instead. It's just two kills for mouths
I'll also say Asia again without vessel. Just playing void spirit in detrient pugnastows released at pugnast like legitimately
I think one of the hardest calendars Floyd spirit in the game
You can't skirmish. He just right just take a million damage because I don't see how Nisha kills anybody this game
Everybody you go on is just gonna get global refraction by tree
And then after you try and wear them down, they're just gonna get stuck by Pugna and he's gonna drop board
Right that is also causing liquid issues. They have this killed trio with the supports plus woods here and they
Keep running into tree armor on every kill
Hace is done 1000 hero damage
He's also pretty much been a non-fact of this game so far.
So we'll have to find his impact with Crimson into the 2nd place.
And he's not terribly farmed either.
Pull back onto the razor. Once again the Living Armor is there.
Do they have enough burst damage yet again?
The answer is no.
I mean, Treen Armor is just a stupid spell.
What is this dumb spell?
That's why I went in...
That's why I went in and played the Heroes overrated.
I agreed the Hero itself is overrated,
but I think two spells on this Hero are completely broken.
What is living armor? This spell is like if you put living armor on the gray blob
It's it's like a top five big in the game
And then eyes in the forest is also a completely stupid choice in the forest is a joke
So basically I don't think this year what can be bad with those two spells
Like even if the rest of his kit was negative interactions like if his first spell is minus two stats
I think this year was still good
If you're forced to take minus two
That's very-
Ah!
Ah!
But you have lived.
Yeah, I don't know.
I feel like this is one of those games where Mickey actually does have to go 15, 2, and 27.
Or...
He's not living.
Ace!
Gonna be in some trouble here.
Going after the Razor, that's never gonna work for you.
Now they're gonna be stuck in the Overgrowth.
We got the Storm Static Link building up damage.
You popped the Stampede!
Ace!
running for the hills keeping away is he far enough out is good damage here's a
little lack of stuff in this house a little bit yeah I agree this SS guy goes
super saying he's 5-1 he's on track
this reminds me some of those more old-school games like some of the OG
drafts where you just can't kill anyone with the tree armor like TIA style
yeah like where the enemy just keeps going the people but they don't die but
if it could kill.
So we had to start that helps a lot.
The old Spectre tree in strats.
Yeah, like this miserable rat hox.
Wonder what sicko came up with that.
Collect, collect this to go out.
Wouldn't you get their sleigh together?
Sicko together.
Who's motto is that?
Oh jeez.
I don't know who someone's personal motto is.
That's not motto.
I didn't know if the heart beat still up the flying thing.
Here you go.
Requiem into a Bristol pack.
They also have to break the sharpshooter.
Is this gonna be enough man?
There's not everything to have on him.
Okay the hook shot helps him complete it.
Now they've used a whole lot of everything though.
He did! Shield Throne, Remnant, pull back onto him, hit him with a bomb, spot a wave,
hits on a billion heroes! Knocks them all away from Chrysalis. Chrysalis will survive
thanks to the heal. I can't believe Liquid went in for more.
Well, that's no good. Overgrowth on the SF. The Shadow Theme, supposed to go 15
and 1 while he's now 5 and 2. The heals aren't staining from this lineup.
you don't kill the supports early.
One more step for Nisha, he gets back to his tier two.
What did Liquid do? They just can't kill him? I mean, that's what I'm saying, they drafted a kill line up in the pugnitry.
And his voice here just can't deal enough DPS.
They also missed the sharp trigger, he got pulled to the side, which doesn't hurt you too much here.
It does waste a little more time.
This fight just goes on so long, he's gonna get a second link at the end.
I mean, there's definitely a time to back up for Link.
But this looks good.
I mean, Chris, it always looks good.
It looks good, and then Tree Pugna always makes the kill you're going for look good
until they all just didn't show up in cast spells.
So they got off three living armors and four leg joints at this fight.
I feel like that's the team reaction we're having, like.
I do feel like they should have known better than to, like, they've tried kills before
and it's gone badly.
I feel like after that first bristleback attempt in top lane, they should have, like,
realized, yo, guys, we have kill problem issues, like, don't force so much crap,
just get fat.
But they keep forcing these fights.
It's very strange to be done adapting.
Hey, who's that hammerhead shark now?
The hammerhead shark's in a cage.
Manta done for Mickey.
I also feel like if Nisha... I don't know...
Actually, I don't know how you feel about it. Quinn, that axe on Void Spirit?
I feel like this is actually... maybe...
I don't know how you deal with Pugna on this Void Spirit.
I feel like you need, like, Nullifier eventually and to, like, just Soulkill him or something.
Come.
So you like the Manta here or you don't like it?
I mean I hate Manta on Void Spirit but like he needs to dispel, like he needs to be six
slaughtered this game so like if you just buy something that makes him invincible and
then he just goes and runs down side lanes for the next 40 minutes, like that's how
Liquid wins.
You're in pure Ravno right now.
Yeah but you can't fight, there's no way.
Trying to get up on runes?
Are you confident in scaling Void's here versus Quap?
Doesn't Quap just scale to the same level?
I feel like she becomes too tanky at some point and her damage becomes more consistent.
It's harder to scale to Void's here with the kit.
It's like going...
I'm not saying that just like defines it like the late game obviously.
It's a lot more but...
No, I don't think you're wrong.
Like bondage especially if you're right on top of bomb so you heal a bunch from all this and you reflect the damage and it's like
It's definitely not black and white
Yeah, this game is scary for
right now. Nice character. Oh, get dead. That was constant. Third wisdom shrine, is it worth
giving up your life? Yeah, they're, he's only level 12. I feel like that. Well, now's we're just
gonna try and run down heroes across the map. They did it on the right side of the map. Now
they're doing the left side of the map and Liquid are gonna try and dodge them
continuously. Well they definitely got the memo here. No more team fighting. Pure
dodge mode. I mean that's two different times than the last 70 seconds we've seen.
Clockwork just TP out.
I like this runesia. Just full, I'll see you later guys. I'm just gonna go fuck.
Mouses are gonna jam down the towers.
How do you, is there any chance, like they're so obviously trying to dodge you?
Do you ever hit tier 3s on this Aegis?
I mean, maybe? Yeah, I think it's possible, especially for mouse.
I think it's a better option to try to catch this board because this guy's un-catchable.
Unless you're willing to buy Hex or something. Super early.
You're a pugna. You just start to use your buildings.
You know, Celery likes to smack buildings.
He does.
Silverhead's gonna be choice for Mickey. They'll have another option for the break.
I'm genuinely surprised they didn't go high ground there actually. I feel like it was a decent opportunity.
Like they even killed the Void Spirit chicken with the mats on it.
I feel like there was a war where they take a racks there.
Were there any X-Factor in the old game indecision process for going high ground early?
I think the biggest decision was how much outspam I have.
Like, I look at Lykut's heroes and they don't have any spamming spells.
It's like bushwag or something.
We're like hitting the cog at you.
That's literally it.
I think like the banner changed that though.
I think these guys do wear stronger banners.
I think the spam was more for your HP than it was the creeps dying.
Like if the creeps hit the tower then you haven't generally if you push fast you generally have enough time to take the racks for backdoor fixin
So yeah, that's out of your way
That's almost a part, cause they have sustain too
It's not like this huge cost of it
You're gonna force something out of them
Team clears out the high ground for Celery, they won't let them get picked off like that again
Now they're gonna poke him.
They have no more stats though, that's the only part about this I don't like is that there's
some like sick hook cogs you just place a hero and you get the job on a salary while
they also go for the Bristol back and the damage, it is pretty intense.
They blow up the Bristol back for that much of a problem, boxing had to give up his
life for that one, but they still constantly inside those cogs that eventually he will
time for that one, he should be getting low, just manage to get the actual step away.
Seems like high ground is still a problem for mouse.
Not to try it at least, I guess that's why I didn't do it the first time.
I mean that was a pretty dream setup, the fact that Bog, because they have a ward down, a
late ward down, they got the hook shot onto Celery.
The ward was big, the fact that the voids could stall the pugman was pretty big.
I mean there's no way booms eyes if there's a crevice.
No, he's also facing them, broken anyway, and isolated, and again they have no force
path so I don't really like getting the bristle up to this like bush flag break when you can't
move and all.
I feel like that's asking for trouble.
Oh, big pick!
Yeah, Mitch, please tell me you have detection.
Oh, they got him on the dust. They can still chase him down.
Squad's trying to get here, but the bush whack, he doesn't land.
The sonic wave is gonna finish off that guy.
What a fight on the map.
Okay. Time to go high ground again.
Yeah, run it down. You're already here. Take the tier two. TP away.
is successful for Ace.
Just trying to get a Lotus. Actually has a Lotus.
You can get it from the Spurrier than it is.
Also, this Razor Hero, when it's in the hands of one of the...
the Razor Virgins, this Hero scales...
Whoa! Wow!
Whoa, you're gonna have to go back up with that...
back up a step there, so you guys have to elaborate on that one.
I think this Hero is a bit cringe. It's all I'm saying.
Okay, yeah, would you call yourself a husskar virgin? No, okay. Oh
Oscar's a little more honorable, okay
To dance off that's a really nice set up bush whack on a two as well
No, I really killed a tree little bit of heels. I'll chop back in
Just trying to keep these heroes off base, but nothing is stopping miles from taking the lane of barracks
No matter how many cocks you throw at them, Nisha jumping in again,
Vic gets the pullback onto the Bristol back,
Bushwhack on the right hand side on mid one,
gets the break on the Bristol, and they do manage to kill him.
Now to run away from Chrysler, though,
he's big and bad with the eye of the storm and his beak, Navy.
Though he has to actually kind of respect the SF's damage,
and to pop, gets away,
and resets up to the high ground where Liquid do not dare to chase.
Those are just okay sacrificing their person, so beautiful.
Yeah, whatever. You can have them. We'll take up building.
Because they have no way to get him out of there. They just break the camps in his life.
Yeah, I don't know. The initial push is so good they just stick around for like a weird amount of time.
I think it's kind of coped to think you're gonna get the full set of rocks, especially when the whole enemy team is in their base, and like, they're just looking at you.
To be quick, Aquinas. Computer is for you.
if you want to use it that's why that's why I'm looking at the TV thank you
I
Just in smoke no barricade connection
Yeah, getting they know make his farm in summer up here. Well, they got one didn't get him again
He's waiting for the camp spawn this camps you spawned. Yeah, what?
I did
Pop out
Nikei on the run with his silver edge!
He just don't have the best control for him.
Get the grab on a chrysalis. He doesn't have BKB.
Not for a few seconds. It's coming up soon though and just damage is so intense.
Nisha just takes like a random half his HP just being around the razor for like two seconds.
It does have a shield during right now.
I want to try and get something going.
He's carrying the gem as well, so if the
Boidsphere goes down, massive loss for them against his tree.
Those have the shard to start getting some eyes up.
He's really close to Sheeva so he doesn't have any of the items in his inventory so
it's like a lot of gold missing from their side.
I can't believe Liquid's only down 2k.
To be honest that's what happens when you don't have any catch in your lineup.
Like you're full committed to this ball and ball was not filled gold.
Like the enemy team is just farming everywhere while you're walking around together holding hands.
We're gonna move to knee shake here liquid four man smoked up beating out Nisha and mouse is going to oblige
Skates have not worked out for mouths a series. I must say I don't know
Massively unnumbered grab during the stomp. That's a little awkward to they still have to break though the Bristol back state by the decrep
Fight that's what's supposed to happen this time around but celery is he's still kind of stuck in a corner here
He's gonna be run down and boom
Well, he's also kind of stuck as his Yamach it looks like this could be all three get grabbed here
Another stomp, another break, over-hero does go off quickly, Mantis, and got him.
Chrysler's not gonna join in the fight though.
If you can kill Mekke, low to short attempts, he didn't actually bounce back.
Chrysler's runs down to his shadow beam, getting low, getting lower and lower.
But, Nisha, he jumps after it, does manage the astral step, and finishes it off in style.
You know.
Dominating for Nisha mid-wan, he'll try and get Tofu out of this one.
Pulled away though by the remnant successful TP out from Tofu.
a bad exchange for mouse why do they like taking these game fights one by one the
razor can't even get the rate I think the razor literally ran from mid lane all
the way to that plate yeah pump it up I mean we gotta get one for us and give
the call to but there's no burden this also there's a three-state
You get it that much? Look at the dogs on the minimap. There is no quap at this fight, the Razor is coming from mid lane.
And they just take it. Kind of unlucky on the path in there for Celery probably, nonetheless I think this fight is incredibly different.
I think it's also like kind of bad timing even related to where they're fighting like Grissel
is
But he's been dying very easily in these fights
Klopp is very very close to ag before this happens if she's legit like 400 or 500 gold away
That's like one of the biggest timings on the hero
That's what I'm saying, this fight's just
It just feels so weird. Yeah, that's my reaction
why why fight why fight bear in that in this game
grief of liquid though yes I'll look up
he's close to nullifier on this point spirit
yeah I think it's built is literally perfect
honestly like I think the Shiva's is
insanely good and I think he needs
nullifier is that just because he's
Nisha or no it's like also he makes the
conscious decision to sell wand and buy windlays because he's gearing his build for the game.
Wait, yeah, why was the windlay so important for him?
It's not so important, but it's just like he knows he's just running down lanes.
Distantly. And setting back up on the high ground here. Mouse.
Are they willing to take this fight?
Moon, he's threatening it. He's paged on the low ground to crimp light goes out to get
Get him a little 4 staff, kill the jump in though,
drop the bomb, and the plot's gonna be in trouble, BKB's trying to go in, pushing back,
Mikae almost kills him, buddy, managed to blink out, meanwhile,
Chryslaz did run down heroes, Mikae requiems absolutely nothing,
because he's just trying to get the hell out of here.
Still a voidspear in the back.
How did that go so well for Mouse?
He got his back turned, like that's the biggest thing, right?
He doesn't just barrel up the hill, he beats it, turns it back,
well, he was still broke out of liquid,
he's, yeah, he gets instant decreed, and there's no nullifier yet.
So as long as the Tecraf comes out the bait isn't always going to be successful.
I mean, I just can't believe the Klopp survived.
He blinked in the middle of all of Liquid's heroes so he's a gigachat looking at him.
I don't know, there's another one in these instances where I feel like you can't expect
that Bristle's going to die.
And then you put yourself in a horrible position where you're all Klump and Bristle
so will kill the Sampire.
Like you know he's going to get decrafted.
You're like 2k gold from the nullifier.
if you want to fight this road you need to do it way more like respectfully
I dare have been some successful fights where Nisha has killed this partner
maybe he's too tanky at this point without nullifier for you to stall him
i think it's close though what do you think of the rod of atos on pugnum
that yeah that feels just super irrelevant
It's a lot, so I always liked this item just in general.
He just liked the idea of like, I have catch now.
Like I'm the healing guy, but now I also have catch.
I don't think it's very good, but it was something that he always liked.
I just don't think you're ever...
I don't think the catch matters this game because your heroes are not catching anyway.
Yeah, I agree.
Like if you want something for the fight, just get...
You'll just get a better mini spot option.
Big one.
Setting the table here, Shiva's trying to reveal some heroes.
Nisha doing the same to simulate back.
There's going to be the break on the Bristleback.
As well as the Silver Edge, immediately countered by the Decrepify.
Roshan getting dangerously low.
Maus, gonna have to jump in here.
They can take it, and Liquid are gonna be forced into fighting into the flow ground.
Get a little vision on it.
Slow it down, now attempt to jump in to go out to the clump this time around.
The Requiem does go down.
Can they burst him down fast enough?
The whole shot goes out, and the healer should turn it up!
A three-man Cogs set up, PKB popped from Christmas, but he can't come in.
He can't fight into this S.M.
Now he's stuck inside this mess that is this whole setup,
but the Cogs need to jump into finish him off, and the Astral steps away.
Boom on low health, Mickey's gonna chase after him.
Tofu maybe with a bush whack, they'll get one more.
That's gonna be the pug now.
What an insane Cogs, if I box, to be honest.
Just actually destroys them on that ramp.
Nobody can play the fight just like that Claws went up.
You can argue 2300 damage is a clock where you could hookshot Cogs.
Yeah, that's just disgusting.
That's like even Claws.
The real, I mean, the real catch is on middle here.
The fact is right next to a tree, too,
so you can chain the bush back into the requiem pier
and then the hookshot.
They literally connected every single stone they have to this card when it falls.
That's incredibly high execution.
Did he not have a glimmer key?
That's more like I just disagree with this ATOS. If you have a glimmer there or a force or something, I feel like that's what this game is about.
This game is about Liquid trying to haul in a hero with some nullifier pop, or some ability to chain their stuns together.
And if this guy gets forced or glimmered before a nullifier comes in, or just resets it a little, it changes that entire scenario.
Whereas ATOS is just watching him get gone on.
I also feel like it's a little bit cocky for mid-1, like you don't have buyback there
I don't know how far away he is, but you can go just farm it off some creeps and have buyback
He's 700 off now, so he was less off before when we lost gold
So he could have just gone and farmed some creeps like in the in-between period and had the buyback
And if you don't have buy then like communicate about buyback
That's like huge part of his rush fights is you know look who's gonna try to all in a guy
So offer somebody up who's got buyback and then you take the fight after without you know
while you still have your super useful cloth, especially on your outpost.
You should just take that outpost up there, put the dude in front of us by, he gets jumped,
that kind of execution goes off, whatever he buys, you take to fight damn no spells.
You're gonna get roached out of an alloy.
That's a big win for Liquid Aegis on this Shadowfiend with a fatalist almost level 25.
And an axe on the center as well, so multiple ways to be able to protect this SSL.
That acts as a problem. That acts as so broken.
Yeah.
They need...
Razer Ultralight game with like double double I'd storm at this point I think?
It's still so bad because you just can't focus the SF and the SF gets out of his view.
He has to like see Tannix so he can heal while hitting something else like the Centaur.
SDSF gets three hits.
Static may get delayed here.
See if the physical damage is enough to hookshot from across the screen.
Boxing locks him down.
Now they get the jump on the bristleback though.
Maybe a little bit too much of diamond in the high ground just yet.
Liquid.
They're winning the game right now with this Aegis.
The 7000 net worth lead.
No need to throw it away.
Hold the clock.
Split push.
spooky look at him go are they gonna have to go back and deal with that it
almost looks like they might he she goes for vision no TP's coming in he's
scared he backs off but he sees the heroes again so he goes back to it I'm
actually curious when they go back here somebody kind of has to or they
just go a second late if he's gonna take one
Boxer's gonna try and stalk him here probably. See if he could stop TP's while his team goes for another.
Let's go get Rax though. He's got Hookshot, so...
Even if the Quap blinks away in TP's, there's a chance.
They're gonna lose a second set though.
Overlapped Crimson goes too.
Liquid can't go for another. He's got a whole lane with this Queen.
I don't know if that really changes anything though, because I think they're right to their
mind.
Probably.
But, it makes sure there's no chance of mouse being able to jump them as the razor comes
back.
Okay, but what if they just go find Midway and you know he has no TP?
That's a pretty mobile hero to catch, but they might.
He's gonna go through gate.
Smart play.
This is very close, they almost got there.
Honestly, mad respect for mid-one though, realizing that there's zero chance to defend
this Rax.
Just full-sack it.
Like I think a lot of teams get baited into this black hole of, oh, we want to save our
Rax because it feels bad to lose Rax.
And then you feed a couple kills in the games over on the spot, but they're still
in it because of his play.
sure running back in with smoke. He's been TP away from boxy as he's met with the mid
one's resistance.
He's got to get something else on Kristals, he needs 25 talent. I need another item.
I think he's still like it shredded by the late game shadow fiend here.
They do have AC at a minimum, which helps a little bit.
But yeah, it's a bit of a problem. First of level 25.
They also just never got rid of this gym. And liquid had been cutting down these eyes.
A lot this game.
They probably had like one on the map at any given time.
We've done with that pretty quickly.
Winsgrid's also getting to super scary territory now.
Octree working on Hags, that's when this hero starts to just, he's everywhere and you can't kill him, and it's a massive game.
This hero with 5, 6 items is a nightmare.
You have to die this game, buddy.
Misha God for the perfect performance and we'll hit his 25 here 6-0 11 most
useless 25 you can ever see we get to me toast it's pretty good just like
salaries right that's your level 25 times you didn't hate you get actually
toast but it's worse good to be on top of them no I mean like you just get
Oh, item in his inventory.
That would be sick, you could sell it.
Yeah, you'd sell it for a thousand.
Dude, if your 25-tile was just an actual, like, gold chunk...
They used to be, effectively.
Oh, it was GPM.
There were some that were, uh, flag-gold, I think.
Are they? Really?
No, you're thinking of, um, ability draft.
Oh, yeah, they were a placement one.
My brain's a little more shabby by this game.
Between modes and changes.
You can blame, uh, Purge for attuning ability drafts in our party queue game.
Some of those GPMs were kind of flak old docks, they were insanely high.
And the Pukkos was 600 GPM.
Like that is flak old bro.
600 GPM.
You literally get it?
You sit in base for five minutes.
Oh, mid one!
He has a BKB.
Oh, nice four staff.
Got him away from the bush wagon.
The hook shot took the landing.
Turns around.
Stonic away.
Push them away.
He stays alive.
The tree, not so much.
Yammage dies for mid one.
Sins, they're still gonna chase after him with the stand.
He's there.
Catching up the heroes.
Stay spot, Stellarys.
Stellarys, good grab.
Gets two shot, casually.
Oh my god!
And the clomp is still dead!
They did it, God!
All that to bail out the clomp and she still dies!
So 25.
Distimulate root.
Not so useless after all.
Seller, he was right.
Ethos is broken.
So broken.
He had it so long ago, but...
They just bought it on the wrong hero.
Should have bought it on the mid.
One final high ground push for Liquid.
Chrisl is gonna jump right on top of them with the buyback shield. Keeps his
length until the hookshot comes in. That stops him, that stalls him. He'll turn
around and kill the clockwork as best he can.
Meanwhile, Watt is dead. A dieback for mid one.
Chrisl is can't really do this alone. Boom is trying to help out where he can
in front lines.
But they turn and pretty quickly kill him. That attack damage on the
race man do some pretty damn good damage now he has all the lasting presence
back so good luck dealing with this man right here yeah your options here give
up the magas then in return of trying to stop this SF once more into the
breach no fight pushed away man they are just expertly dealing with
Chris there's just no chance of him sticking on Mickey in these fights
They didn't even use the cart yet!
Disgusting.
Disgusting damage from the Shadowfiend, right?
It's the way it came out there.
It's disgusting.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like Miles had this game at a point,
and it just took a couple of stupid fights,
fed Bristleback sometimes,
and then suddenly your lineup has no stuns in those teamfights,
and falls off.
Like, it's a classic Miles draft.
You win quickly, or not at all.
Even then, I feel like some of those later fights,
they could have played them better.
Like, I don't think Liquid were comfortable with this game, by any means.
No.
I think as third-point they become very comfortable, and ultimately, Nisha...
...they had a perfect performance here on the Void Spirit, and just the lack of catch was...
...a huge nuisance for Mouse. Like you said, 9-0-16.
This guy was the real carry all along.
But I do think I agree there were points for Mouse.
Probably our favorite in this game, and it should win it.
But just to say, they have it, they execute those pushes, they get another Roshan.
Like, they get to refresh a Razor, refresh your Queen in this game.
I think they can absolutely win the Ultralink too, but they just can't get the gold.
I just keep thinking about that Rod of Atox.
Well, what if that was a four-staffer at Glimmer?
What if it bails out the Bristleback a little bit better and the time said he gets targeted?
Or, of course, the clock when they make that jump at some point in time?
Well, Liquid evened it out and we are going to a games 3.
We got a series on our hands which I would not have expected in multiple ways.
I wouldn't have expected it before the day began because I would have thought that Liquid
will just run rough shot over a mouse and then I wouldn't have expected it after the
first 15 minutes of this game because mouse were yet again making it look easy.
Aiden, you had a spearing at the end of the drafts, you were staying.
Nikkei shot a fiend will at some point 1v9.
I don't even think you said 1v5, I think you specifically said 1v9.
Yeah, like four game runners on his team, and you win despite them.
I feel like, yeah, I was gonna adjust. I think it was like 2v8 this game.
Okay, who was the other contributor?
I mean, that's up for you to decide.
It was Nishi Nisha Nisha?
Probably it was Nishi Nisha Nisha.
Okay.
But it's up to anybody at home to decide who the second guy is.
Open to interpretation.
Exactly.
No matter what though, they do equalize the serious score.
They do.
That was a great game from both teams.
Miles got really impressed.
I know this is a loss, but I do want to applaud them for bouncing back
from a couple of really rough days in this group stage too.
Like, when they get their heroes and hit their timings, they look really strong.
They just mis-executed here and there.
And it feels like this fight in particular was what sealed the deal for Liquid.
They crossed all of their buttons perfectly.
They killed Cudipane before the sustained comp, before the ward could do the trick.
And it felt like that was the beginning of the end for those.
It was fun to fight here.
For me, it was the high ground push.
I think when they went high ground at a 3k gold lead and the first Aegis,
I personally didn't really agree with that.
I feel like it's just a bit too soon.
And we talked about this early online tournament,
but I think when you go high ground, you should be 99.8% sure
Nothing can go wrong here. Like you should secure a lead of that size before you decide to close it out
And it's like 3k gold lead and like an a guess of that point in game was just not enough
It's also weird that like they take top tier 2 and they're pushing towards the base and then they back off and go mid
And then push through mid when the enemy is already like all there and ready when they'd initially taken the top tier 2
Nobody was there to find they can force heroes back and gain a map advantage off it
But they kind of pass in the opportunity and then force it when it's awkward through mid like two minutes later
I think if they'd gone right away through top then maybe there's actually a window there
But they kind of just pass on I think they forgot genuinely sometimes you just don't even think about high ground as an option
You know because it's so taboo whereas I think if they go and watch this replay
I think there's actually a wall if they go right away
They can maybe they can maybe do something at the base there although on extending for what you have said is the
Generic idea for if I'm going high ground. I'm 99.8% sure if they did threaten that other high ground
Is it gamble to say like, okay, I'm forcing liquid to come back or is it actual committed?
I'm pushing tier three high ground. Let's go. No, I think it's very tentative
It's just like we're already here or five heroes we catch like garbage
We push fast like forcing them back is the best option you have even just on the map because you can't kill them
You can't hunt them
So all you can really do if you make them come back then now you can spread out and you get a little bit of
The gold advantage out of that. Yeah, I think the key thing in this game or for the situation that we're talking about
about is that they have very bad catch. Like they don't have heroes to run around and kill
heroes. And I think when you don't have that, you need to force. So when you can kill heroes
on the map, you can force their movement by like threatening them. Like you run somewhere,
they have to leave that space. But since they don't really have that in this game,
the easiest way to force the heroes to move away from where they are farming is
to just hit the high ground. You know, like run up the hill, blast with Pogna,
drop your ward, get like hit a few times with Razor and Bristle and just see what's
up and then assess the situation from there like if liquid are early and
they're ready to set up it might be a hard fight but if you've managed to get
control of the area maybe even get a ward in their base and stuff then suddenly
you can like decide if this is a fight worth taking for us or not and I just
I completely agree with you the way that they did it on mid it was just not it
yeah yeah and usually when you take time to do it like you go top and then
you rotate over mid it also gives liquid the time to decide do we want
to defend this or not are we gonna bring back heroes which are as we bring
back because I think by the time the wave reached their high ground, Nisha was already cutting the next wave mid.
Yeah.
Like, they had too much prep time in that situation.
And the alternative solution, which seemed to be Celery's angle is, okay, we're lacking catch.
Effie, I have to point at it, the Rod of Aetos on the Pugna seems to be a somewhat misguided itemization based on how long the game went.
Yeah, it's one of those where I had A1.
been like awesome Aida so I killed the void with that really good pick up and
then when they start losing that this pug that is on the glimmer he's on
fourth staff he's getting caught he's not helping his cores yeah just
unfortunately one of those situations I do want to point out that Wild Nas may
have made a mistake going high ground early I just think that it's very cool
that Mika got that early silver edge like before he even got his pike and
because of that early silver edge they were able to take advantage of
Bristol going high grounds early like maybe another SF player would
have gotten peck first. That's what 99% of them may have defaulted to.
Yeah, I mean, I think this is a big, like, individual skill game for Mika and Nisha specifically
because I think as a team they were actually getting outplayed by Miles. I think Miles was
dictating the pace of the game. Liquid made some very questionable fight choices. Like,
there's some fight that they just run into that they clearly can't kill the guy
and they force it and they all get wiped because, yeah, of course you can't kill
the guy. There's the Crep sitting right behind him. And so I think Mika and Nisha
going on the stretch buying I have to highlight each items like they were
honestly legit perfect he needs math so we can rap I think he realizes very
early they can no longer fight and he goes for she was afterward not the ax on
me this crap and then into nullify like it was all the armor items it was
perfect itemization for the game I think if any of those is different they
might lose one fight and that's just game over yeah and that I my station
was necessary because of a hero that you weren't sure about tree and
protector we now got to see him in another game that isn't in liquids
hands it was in mouse hands you have more confident read on the hero yet I just
don't think it's not good like I think it's a good hero I don't think it's a
hundred percent contest rate band if not picked in every single game good like to
me Largo seems like a bit better here like between the two of them sure I
would even arguably say SF based on the games that I've seen as a stronger
hero okay I think for supports to be that guy it almost needs to be a
100% win rate or it needs to be like I picked triant and you now have no options in terms of heroes
You want to pick him to the slain you force to pull creep waves
You can't put anything against it. He has a high impact in the mid game, but I don't see it like that
I feel like in some metas where like heroes don't really buy mantas
They just speak to me and they get rooted and they die. Yeah triatus feels just broken
But it just doesn't feel like that to me when I watch these games
But then out of the other support bands, which you have been most commonly phase one would be I guess like Phoenix and Shadow Demon
because those are like the trio that I'm seeing even Phoenix will slip through
quite often shout even follow the most consistently banned first phase in
addition to Trion Protector. It might just be like you know when you play you
have a different feeling for these things and not playing against it and just
watching it from the outside it just doesn't to me it just seems like the
cores that are broken in this patch are really strong like a Beastmaster
Largo SF I feel like to me seem like bigger concerns than triant. And
And based off the fact that Afi Shadowfiend has done numbers in both the games of the series,
it seems like it's going to be a high value tech moving forward.
It's been a high value tech for everyone, I think, but especially in this game 3, I'd
be very surprised if either team got this hero.
Yeah, no bueno.
No bueno.
This hero is, I think especially for Liquid.
I think there's some teams maybe you can consider giving it to, but not Liquid.
Like Mika and Yusha, we talked about it before.
They're both way too good at it.
The hero's way too good.
But it also counters so many of the other meta picks, like it's Stratapine if you're
scaling and you're fat, it's really good against Racer, you just eat his lunch as you get on
the stretch.
Same thing with Largo, with all these random popular heroes, Bristle, so much of the stuff
Miles is picking.
A giga turret who just beats the crap out of you, they can't pick Tide anymore, it
just kills their whole hero roster as soon as you pick their first pick.
That's not good.
Maybe a more contested series than we were expecting before the day began, but
that's keeping things.
interesting near even at the end of our group stage to stick around everyone and
we'll be back with the conclusion of a mouse
Hi guys, it's Hitor from Team Spirit and I'll try to guess some ranks in data.
I taste pretty rich on 14k gold, that's why.
I mean the score isn't the best but that's like AM.
So then again, scores whatever.
That blink was extremely aggressive.
I guess he's fine. The blink was kind of sad.
He's kiting a little bit too far out.
I mean this guy looks like it's pretty much over there.
I guess it's very, very, very low on the mar.
15k lead.
This looks like a game where he's just 1v90 and he shows up after like 30 minutes of farming
and just like can do whatever and they're gonna win the fight.
I'm pretty sure the win rate delta between these facets is like me.
I'm pretty sure this facets is terrible.
Like, but I'm not 100% sure on that so I don't want to speak too much on that.
He's pushing with really low health.
I wasn't expecting that ending.
He just farm the whole game so he just split them up.
Okay, let's go for Crusader.
He's seen 16k ahead and he's making the fight look like they're 3k behind.
Hopefully very low. I want to say this is a lot.
I'll go Crusader then. This looks pretty bad.
The heroes, the problem in the heroes is because we have some Vich Doctor, we got some Vizage,
we got some Mid-Lina and the set is also bad.
I would say, let it be Erkon.
I think he's just pretty confident with how the opponent can kill him with Contra Spell, maybe.
I would say D-Wine before he died. 3 Ancient in a row. Now let's do it again.
I can't, I can't, okay.
This is too tough.
Okay, two words, two centuries, smoke, buying centuries, buying dust, all good signs.
The draft is kinda weird.
Oh, he survived from the mines.
And he's gonna kill the Magnus.
He brings out some from the jumps.
A lot of very good things. He's got a smoke, he's buying items quickly.
He knew he could turn and panic.
I think it's Sanctions because this draft is kind of weird,
but still the players are playing not so bad.
Yeah, I mean, just a lot of good stuff there.
I feel like that's immortal. Maybe this guy is just like the goat of Lich.
Also doing like Magnus Techies bombs which maybe no one does that in the Mortal?
Okay, I'll go Ancient.
It's a little good but he just like APM to force him south from the mines and also he
blinked out.
I guess it's fine.
Okay that's pretty cool.
I guess I'll play that Rwanda.
I can see there's a like a lot of counter pixels.
They understand the heroes quite well.
I'm probably guessing higher rank.
I'm gonna change a bit this to be one in this one.
Oh, oh my god.
I've seen sniper builds like this before, they're terrible.
If I look on his build with Philaktyri, it's a magic sniper with Midas with attacks.
With wheels as well.
Oh, he got caught.
Okay, it's very bad.
Very, very, very bad.
He survives, maybe.
Surely he doesn't just die. I feel like he's going to kill someone.
It's Optimitis, obviously that's priority number one.
TP on cooldown, Yulz for nothing.
Definitely are not supposed to Yulz like that.
Kind of early Yulz, but it's fine.
You know what I mean? Yeah, he's just hiding in the trees and trying to dodge Sherri-
TP in 15, Cataclysm gotta blink out.
Still feel like at this point, if you were Hierarchy, you would have swapped in one of the 900 Lipses.
to be fair, you're dead anyway if they catch you, but...
Uh-oh.
He's got ULTS though.
You can click it.
You can click it now, get a splint off.
Okay.
Nah, this is a low rank.
Eh, it's too slow.
It's like, too slow.
I don't know.
It's like...
She is terrible.
The item...
Oh my god!
That's a legend.
That's such a good play.
That's actually such a good play.
It's low rank, but it's such a good play.
His build is kind of weird, I think it's Crusader, right?
His broadcasting is not really cool, and his build is also weird, so I could guess Crusader.
I feel like Lion could've killed him at the beginning if he executed correctly.
There's just so many things going wrong.
And then his, like, ULT at the end was way too slow, his ULT at the beginning was completely useless.
Yeah, I'll go Crusader.
In some normal, like, immortal game, you would be punished by this,
And I guess that's why not well enough to be the Fire Uncapitated B Crusader.
I'm just thinking where did he get all these ideas from his item buying.
Even a Dota Plus guide, there wouldn't be such guide that to this direction.
So he's probably some mastermind out there that's waiting to be discovered.
Akkon then.
Okay, I just got humiliated.
That's the end of this clip and you can tell that I'm pretty bad at this game and this guessing
ranked game.
I hope the others will do much better than me and I also hope someone might be the same
as me so I don't feel that bad.
So yeah, thanks for watching.
It's been six long days since I saw you, baby.
I've been part of your house for minutes and seconds, until you've backed in my house.
Come on, I'm walking here!
Welcome back, everyone, to game number three of Mouse vs. Liquid, where we need to break
things down to their bare essentials.
You've been picking all these different heroes, you've been trying to see what you're good
at, what you're bad at, what you know, what you don't know, and now we are beyond the
halfway point of a group stage two, and teams are starting to really get their
favorites and their unfavorites? What would you call the opposite of favorite?
They're loath things.
They're loath things.
Why are you breaking Ted's beautiful cookie that he made for us?
He gave me the fundamentals I need to make cookie mortar because we are not going to win
this out of raw stacking. So we have to make concrete.
That is very dry though. I don't know how that will work out.
I don't know how I feel about you breaking the beautiful cookie that had made for you.
You want to eat some?
You put his heart and soul into it.
You want to eat some?
We have a mortar and pestle?
We don't.
It's specifically said on the test or the challenge not to eat them.
It's a resist eating them.
Yeah, I'm resisting.
Night shift is a more direct discouraging claim because someone on that shift really
likes eating the crafts that we make.
Jenkins?
I really think that if we commit to this.
This will not hold that these ones, like the other cookies may hold, they're sticking in.
Okay, let's just go for it.
Let's just go for it.
The camera's being overrolled too much.
No wonder we're 1 in 11 in the challenges.
Yeah, but we got that one.
You know, after days of sabotage I've surrendered, and I, you know, I accept whatever Nami thinks is best.
I'm trying to free you.
I'm absolving you from the pressure of this competition.
Simply by limiting your contributions,
then you shouldn't feel as guilty whenever we lose.
Or, if you let Mira cook, we would be winning.
Well, yeah, well, we got first blood.
Pfft.
We did get first blood.
Alright, so this matchup, Falcons really likes.
They, when they see Razor, they pick Bristol.
And I honestly wasn't really quite sure about it.
But I still have Skeeter play in one of their games, because the Marvel's calling, so he finally got his hands on Bristle, because when ATF is there, ATF is playing Bristle, let's just kind of hug us.
And I saw Razor link Bristle back for the full duration, and Bristle wasn't even 25 at this point, I'll have you know.
And he just turned around and just started hitting Razor, and Razor just died.
He just had so much more press damage that like the minus 200 didn't matter at all.
Once you really fast and you build nice items against razor you can get lotus and stuff so yeah
You have nice item path and you're here actually fun Lee enough is just pretty decent. He is
Not to mention the whole time you say you in the back. You're like spraying him so in lane
It's pretty good. Yeah in lane
You also aren't pressing any single target abilities on them
So both of his skill builds are bad like maxing link is kind of crap because he gets sprayed and I know you just
Once done you can walk away
Yeah, and on the flip side if you he doesn't casting spells on you
So if you have E then he's just killing you. So I think I agree. I think it was quite good
I didn't like it as a response when I first saw the razor. I was a little worried for miles like
They banned the shadow fiend now look who takes the razor. What are they gonna respond with?
But I think bristle is a good solid response and they are very much neck and neck
Nami, yeah, you know what you didn't do
Well, sometimes when it comes to game three, I only mentioned the bands when they're especially notable
So for example, I would continue harping on the fact that Largo is most likely going to go uncontested in this game
Which boggles the mind and definitely it's something that I imagine everything is gonna look at in the playoffs
at least for liquid specifically and
but
That's all that really needs to be mentioned. I mean a later point down the line will be like guys
Did you notice that Chen was bound first phase? That's kind of crazy, isn't it? It is against Valerie. It is against Valerie
So like he's getting the respect he deserves
And Beastmaster proven to be a flexible hero for Mao's?
Shadow Demon was banned, that's not, we don't see that every day.
Apparently it's been getting banned quite a bit.
Not me being it's banned every day.
That's what I was saying to trade-offs, like if you do want to meet...
You actually kinda got me.
I was like...
I feel like it's been banned quite a bit.
But it started doubting himself.
I did start doubting myself.
Though Mao's still considered that Trio Protector to be first phase ban, where are they?
I mean I think the strand done is like it's a lack of understanding the hero
but it is quite good with Razor. I think it's also about they didn't they want to
keep the Bristle Flux open and if they pick the strand here then they're locking
themselves into like a ranged carry position because half of the hero's
strength is instantly in for ranged carry and Razor is gone, Husqvarra is
banned, Asaf is banned, that only leaves Gyro and if you pick Gyro early you
You can't potentially flex your bristleback.
That would probably be my line of thinking for the Treadsman.
Jekiro is always good.
He's literally always good in all contexts.
But I think it's also a bit nasty with bristle, because I think that is probably a very, very
good safe lane, and I think it's good against a lot of ace heroes.
These centaurs and tides and these dudes, like, I think they're all pretty sad against
like a bristle.
Jekiro lane is going to beat the tar out of them.
So not only can bristleback off lane lane well against Razor, but if they want
something else later down the line they can still put Bristol jacquero safe
flame is a beastly lane so they're already set up for pretty solid start
here's another idea than Aiden is jacquero more banwaring than tree and
protector okay I think there's enough heroes that need bounds okay but if
celery doesn't play hero that has some kind of sustain the pugnose the
Yeah, I just wonder how Maus take these sites because it feels like a lot of the clutch fights that they turn are like
Oh, here comes the life drain. Oh, here comes the 10 heal. Oh, here comes enchantress and her wisps
When it's just jikiro, it feels like
their play style loses impact
That police might take on what I've seen of Maus this group stage.
I don't really think he's been playing a lot of jikiro, right? This event. I think he's more than playing like his own specialist heroes
Didn't play a lot of like healers Warlock, Pugna, and Enge.
I think that hero is generally pretty bad against Bristleback.
Because his back is always to you.
Like you're super fast so it's almost impossible to hit wall on him.
And if he's running away Magistite is just ticking on his back.
Not to mention he doesn't care about being silenced. He buys a Lotus very easily.
Like you said before, both these heroes are bad against Lotus.
while Ursprit is good with Razor because you go in and get setup for him,
I think it doesn't, I don't fully get it, I would say.
I think it's Boxe's like merely hero of choice.
It's just like, he's going down the list of heroes.
And I think this is the one that he thinks is like,
he doesn't want to be clock, clock gives trick heroes not that good.
Clock doesn't really, isn't especially good in Espresso either.
That dynamic you mentioned Quinn functions differently.
If you're a support Ursprit, it feels like
Like, your job isn't to kill anybody, you're not with damage, I mean, like you're not gonna
have the kind of damage numbers from a mid or a spirit with a magnetized.
But the way that Vox is playing it is like blink, aether lens, he uses it to like kick
somebody into his team, like a pseudo Tusk Ags is what it's looked like, and just
uses his pool to save extra utility.
It feels like he's in focusing on that aspect of the hero rather than the ulti.
It's like his Tusk Rift placement, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's definitely not fully one-sided.
I still think that it's, I think this feed thing is the biggest thing for me.
In fact, it's just hard to hit the guy with a roll because he's just zooming around on
500ms with Warpath stacks and S&Y.
The liquid's freaking tied.
Um, man, why, like, mix?
How does this keep happening?
I feel like there should not be that much, like, there's not much to think about.
The only conversation you need to have is, do we pick Tide now, or do we have three potential options that we really like against?
Yes. But I think they don't.
I don't know what to do. It's also like, Nix and J'Kyro. I mean I guess Nix is kind of good against Tide, but J'Kyro's not really inside.
J'Kyro's not great. Yeah. Like you're okay.
Really?
So they opt out. Hmm.
I think they were unwilling to throw this Razor to the safe lane. Like it feels like they just wanted to play the Razor plus the Earth Spirit offline.
off lane and if they picked tide that would make make it the same lane hero
which wouldn't be bad it just seems like then our spirit has a harder time yeah I
mean I sort of agree with you I feel like they're saying like we don't we only
have maybe only a side for off lane but we actually only have DK for safe lane
that we like they've maybe they don't have any other hero that they think is
very good against Bristol they didn't want to put the razor there and they
only really see DK because I'm assuming this razor is gonna end up mid or
Or they think Razor is a good matchup with the Kez, which I could also see.
Ah, it's just jikiro Kez.
Yeah.
And even Earth Spirit.
Like, I could see a world where Razor gets just mollywopped by Kez online.
Plus, I mean Ace has been playing it on the court quite a bit, but I feel like it's not his, like, most comfortable thing to be.
No, it's not.
But man, I have a tie-downer just in case, regardless, though.
Yeah, I mean, I think the tideburners are given.
To me, it just means they feel like they don't have any other heroes safely and other than DK that they want, and they decide to prioritize Mickey having the hero of his choice rather than Ace.
This is the round 2 for our Crystallis kids.
And round 1 was not that great.
Round 1 was not that great, but I like that they're trying.
trying. I really do. When we saw the impact of introducing Beast Masters or Crystallis
here and what it did for their drafts, if they can pull off a cast game then let's say they
won this one, the rest of the tournament looks very promising for them. Because what's the
limiting mouse from my point of view has just been their inability to early phase Crystallis
heroes just because of draft limitations? You can't. They just get banned, right? He
doesn't have enough from the pool. But if you can successfully add Caz plus Beast
to the Razor plus SF plus Tascar bands, then you're always going to get something to work with.
It does seem like the conventional wisdom of I have to pick Kez in a counterpick situation is
kind of dying out the more this group stage is progressing. Yeah, but I don't know how much
the Kez are winning. That's like the main thing. I feel like they are being prioritized higher,
but I feel like the heroes winning less as a consequence. It's not that they're not
winning at all but it doesn't feel as powerful so I think here if I look at the
four heroes that I see on my screen right now I feel like Liquid has like
picked a lot more boxes than Miles has you have very clear ways to kill you have
enough damage to get kills on these heroes you have items that and spells
that are gonna allow you to get through like the tanking items that Miles is
gonna buy and I wasn't actually gonna do the meme for once but definitely
Yes, we can do it soon and for miles. I see it's a lot trickier
You're gonna have to bring a lot more heroes to make things happen and your Bristol back isn't this like
I'm gonna reach a point in the game where I can no longer die
And I think that's like the main issue when you play against Bristol is that at some point
It feels like this heroes is too fast too tanky doing too much like there's too much stuff going on around them
And you just can't touch them
Yeah, I mean I think I
I also think Kes, Bristol are a bit weird together. It's the two guys who just run and hit one single guy together
We've seen about four from teams and I think this archetype tends not to work super well
Storm is fine here
It's certainly not bad, but it's also not like wow like they they can kill storm they can buy tank ability items
It's it's very fine to me and I think like this game for miles where they just need to execute
Well, like I think it's not out of the question. It's also gonna be mids Florida and off lane razor. So seeing that I actually
Think I prefer miles a little more than I did before because I think storm is a good lane against Florida
I'm probably slightly favored and I think bird plus jacquero can mega stop razor
And so I can see a world where mouse pulls ahead significantly early and they can maybe snowball scare
Yeah, I think they'd need to I think if they're not ahead by minute 10 15
I think I really like the good chances
Yeah, Liquid have a lot of skirmish potential. They just have so many people that go in, they have front line.
I think that the Razor, maybe it's not as bleak for him as it's being made out to be since like the Earth Spirit early game factor
of okay, I'll kick back the jacquero into you, maybe we get a kill, maybe we drag waves.
Like there's ways to work around that, because plus jacquero lane, I think.
But I'm leading Liquid.
Is there any reason why Quinn, you may have been preferring the Offlane slaughter as opposed to the Offlane Razor?
Um, I just think both lane setups are potentially better. Like, if you're just pulling waves on our spirit, then a big slaughter takes the beating better than Razor does.
And I also think Razor does better mid against Storm than slaughter does. Like, I think for both lanes, I think it's worse.
This is, honestly, an unusual decision to me, I would say.
Does it telegraph anything about how Moxdy would want to play as the Earth Spirit?
I guess they view this lane differently. To me, this is sort of like an idea check on how the lane goes.
So, we'll say I guess.
I also just want to put it out there. I think there's a world in which Poxy will stay the same as well, with DK.
And they have the hoodlink on the Razor lane to try to like, be strong there and fight.
I don't know if they're going to do it, but I think it's an option they have.
That sounds better to me.
There's a next pistol against a DK first.
only one way to find out and that's to get into game number three and you're gonna enjoy
it with Cap and that's big change.
With the Razer swapping sides, liquid, taking that away from Chrisless, putting the hands
of making or to see who the Metal Razor is.
A true test of metal between these two teams
as they exchange some heroes.
Duke it out, the game three.
Very hype.
If I am mouse, maybe there's a...
a slight grin that you don't have to play against the
Micky Razor that...
to me is one of the most terrifying.
No shade of ace.
But we're talking about fine margins in these games, you know.
That's it, that current I think fades quickly as you have to play against Boxy Urspirit who
has just been an absolute medis on this hero.
Oh yeah.
It's so scary, especially what he did in some of the games where they were behind, because
to me if you get ahead with this hero it's almost auto-win.
You're almost always expecting that he's not going to impact the landing phase that
much.
But even from really stacked behind positions, I feel like Boxy has found very clutch
openings, especially with the kickbacks. Just destroy Parvish with the instrument. So to me,
that's what's scariest about his or her spear compared to a lot of other players. It doesn't
even really matter if his playing base sucks. Who still has high impact?
Boxing, rolling into the tower.
Remember that conversation we had about the Razor teams? The teams that...
The best teams where Razor has crazy flex potential?
Talked about his in Valken's or Liquid, the best Razor Flex team.
I remember one of the things we said is there was just like between Nisha and Mickey.
The Razor is really scary in those two hands.
Ace Razor!
Where would you rate that one?
Definitely less scary than the other two.
Yeah.
It's not a stereotypical ace estimator.
It's just still such a strong hero and he can play it with the Auras anyway.
It's not a, it's not a debilitation by any means, you know.
He's still gonna perform really well.
Well, one proven, clear hero combination that nicks this asset.
Usually has a rough lane, we see it time and time again,
rough lane after rough lane, and it might just be another rough lane
as he grabs the creep blade, pulls it under tower, and swiftly dies.
Really awkward for Boom, who's gonna miss.
Smart itemization for Tofu just starting boots against a double melee.
Guarantees you can always out harass him. You don't need regen as they cannot trade against you
You can always get a stick later against the Bristol anyway
Results in the first blood the boots pay off now. He's giga rich
DK's got a free farm down here no matter what anyway
So the differences in these lanes are gonna have to come down the mid if no if mid one can extract a little more against the melee starter
And maybe top with the kez just because kez is so ridiculous
Yeah, he's been suffering here early with the Urspirit not contributing a lot in fact
Dead here looks like it. Yeah very easily a little worried for him on this lane
Like you could pull waves with the Urspirit
But I don't know if you can ever take the straight up fight into Jakiro kez to really tough
And then you're kind of left with a Sack razor
Which I think is significantly more difficult to come back with compared to
Something like the Centaur we see in play from a Sack position or you can brew master
Yeah
He was just comparing it to the Bristleback straight up, right?
That Bristle is a good recovery, you know?
Boom's having a perfectly fine lane, but if he did need to recover, he could at least do stacks.
Yep.
So that's where the Razor is going to have to get a little more priority here.
Maybe more attention from Boxy than he otherwise wanted here.
Here's his roaming. He's just super low mid.
Ooh, that trade.
That's the Pop-Fairy Fire with a life on the edge.
I'm trying to get some efficient exchanges against midwinter to bottle up.
Yeah, despite the double water runes that he's been able to grab.
Still struggling on the region department.
He's gonna need a raindrop, that's for sure.
Rednit's ban is just so damn strong.
You can get these next water runes though.
I kinda expect both teams to contest them here, particularly with the two roaming 4s.
They either want to stack, want to pull, or want to mess with mid.
Nisha is spam ping in the mid lane. What is going on here?
Stun, crush, not enough damage, break through for the commit. Oh, that was a little spooky.
Roll in, Atlantic, kicks him away from the water room. Man, Boxy's Earth Spirit, he's gonna die for this.
But the fact that he got that water room away from...
That was such a tight line. Yeah. To not hit Shakiro there, which if you hit Shakiro, you're dead too.
Only you don't take away the resources from the storm.
Yeah, this is the only way he can kind of make Nisha's lane all right.
You can see Celery tries to intercept him.
He was looking for it. Very handsome placement.
I mean, he gets the Lotus into the storm, so Celery's doing work on this contest.
As everybody's looking at these water runes, the other one did get taken as well by Yamich.
So, no water runes for either player.
Nisha will have to go base here.
Just needs to get resources back up. Can't linger.
Maybe mid-1 can linger around here a little bit, go get the bounty room, might be enough
to keep him.
It's a tough call, because you kind of want to stick around here to get the free CS while
Saur is going base, and it looks like he will.
It does potentially leave an opening for Liquid to gank him before he hits 6.
Yes, this is the downside, you're going to be low on the map.
He also knows the Earthshirter TP mid for that play, so he knows Boxe cannot TP in
and just kill him right here, which is a big deal.
That's true. That also gives you a little more confidence to stick around.
I didn't have to go base anyway, so okay, so we got the way he's going to go base anyway.
Pregatail bushwhack, bit of damage. I don't think that boom was really worried about, though.
I mean, he may have had kind of a quote-unquote rough game.
That last game, I feel like in some ways, he got sold out by his team.
You put himself on the front lines, which is what he was supposed to do and he got a hundred to zero to many times without being saved
There was a lot of backline jumping going on. That's the only thing that interfered with that. I do agree
He got sold a little bit. I will say I feel like more teams are just going for
Some early core pig that they flex and then just becomes generic offline crimson fire. Yeah
The spells almost don't matter, like is there that much of a difference between Centaur,
Bristle, Razor and a lot of these games that just get thrown into the walls, lose lane
and just buy Crimson?
I feel like the margins are pretty thin, you get draft value, that's what really matters
what these later fours become.
The other contest for the Power Room here, 6 minutes, everybody's looking at mid, 3
on 3.
Still no level 6 on the storm trying to get it here he will.
He is rewarded with an Indies. Not the scariest one.
Refill on a bottle. Probably not much else of it.
Very even across the board between all the counterparts here. All players are the ones suffering.
And Boomi's about to suffer a little more.
Pushback pulled back in off of the double chain stuns from Mikkei and Boxy, so yeah, both the offlaners are struggling
Boom definitely has far more CS than ace does and we already talked about how he could potentially recover better, but
Still a cause for concern here because despite the what happened in the last game
Boom did have a very good start to the game like he was pretty damn farmed
Definitely a worst start here.
He's had to buy these amount of region as well.
And he's matched up against another carry that can build Silver Edge.
Wouldn't be surprising to see Mikkei do that.
Not as early.
Yeah, definitely not.
Trying to roll in, trying to go for a roll in kick out.
Boxie has fed away his life in that attempt.
They've been ready for him.
They know the playbook here, no shenanigans for boxing in this early game, so it will be an extremely rough early game for him. He is boring on the negative GPM territory.
This is what can happen to this hero. Like, you can have some of the roughest early games of any way, just because your impact on the lane is complete zero unless you get these cheeky moves to work.
So the fact that Malzahre's up there now, it's gonna give him an advantage here going into the next 10 minutes, no matter what.
You can argue Nix is maybe not doing much more.
So there's that part to it as well.
I think Nix is less dependent on the font though.
Like he gets dicks and then he has...
Like he just runs around the map, does kind of 9 class s things where he gets a lot of information, potentially sets up kills.
First beard I feel like you're more dependent on having some sort of game
because your ultimate is dependent on you being able to stay alive and play it.
At least you get some stacks, that's a little gold that'll go into his pocket here.
Maybe get some lane, you know.
The best reason to do stacks is so your cord goes and doesn't, you can take the lane.
The old Jubey, we floor him.
That's right, I prepared this nice juicy stat for you.
Now get the hell out of this lane.
Oh, what the hell? He got in front of him with that Echo Slash.
Well that's pretty cool. That was weird.
It's a job done.
Kez, he can do it all, man.
The mobility of grappling claw to him in the first place and the Echo Slash to get over him.
How's it going, Boxing?
At least he has a raindrop on now, you know.
Scott's mic is cooking.
All that tells me is a quarter of his network is disposable.
More than half, almost.
Oh, nice rotation.
This is also continuing to struggle. Mid 1 makes his first rotation out of lane.
I have got the 9 stacks for him.
Malz is getting a lot on the map right now. They're giving mid to the Nix's assassin, which you just have to do at some point.
He's not getting forced off the XP.
Difficult first slaughter to do. You can amp him.
You need help to dive in. Maybe bring some supports in.
But Malz are just punishing this liquid off him.
Just raise the burst to death then.
It's a point of weakness and they're continuing to attack it.
Gonna look for the 10 minute power rune as well.
They need Jura's fight for both of these cores. Fighting in the river against Miss Florida, but also this high level storm spirit.
Faking the crush, doesn't go for it on the storm. Hits it on the Nix's assassin as they retreat backwards.
Illusion rune, mid one should be able to nab that away.
Not a bad rune for the Dispel here.
Bring the Kez in.
So it was a smart idea to back up there for Liquid, not trying to force the fight with the Slaughter strength in the river.
Hard to lock down the Storm Spirit anyway, who's Keeper Tanki, and not going to the Greasefield!
Thank Lord.
I'm tired of seeing that. I don't believe it.
I'll just say it.
Others might, I don't.
Why does my opinion matter? I don't know, but...
Well, you've got a micro.
That's what... that's why.
It's the only re-answered at all.
Rapturedance TP away attempted by Boxy yet again and yet again. It does not work. It's farm in Talport's course
No, he's not because he's keeping away on every death. He's replacing. That's why he's got a part of time and time again
And is this Dejabu? It's exactly. They literally kill Boxy into Diving Tower with mid one rotation
They're just abusing to the ace the weakness on the map DK is not going to keep you into this slaughterers
Have to jungle recover. He doesn't have the resources to go into this plane
It's also not that reliable of a plate for Nisha to join. This is not a spirit hero. It's not cock
That's another thing. We didn't really mention like he's getting Nisha on slaughter or winning it
I'd argue the way he's been playing the kind of it's not that he is in a piece of my every hero
But like, I rather play as Nisha Star than Nisha Puck, you know?
Sure.
Nisha SF, Nisha Storm.
And then on top of that, you get the lane matchup, which Quinn was talking about how people need to challenge him.
And I think he's correct on that. I think one of the reasons Game Minute did pretty well against Liquid for a lot of those years is they prioritized that counterpick.
They made sure the mid snowball went in their favor and Nisha didn't have that explosive charge.
And then it hit. On Nisha. Ooh, trying to get the bush right there. Cut tree gets cut down.
Ice fast, still landing on Nisha, but with Lake Day, he's pretty getting fast even if he's not in the river.
He's going to tip away just in case.
I'm going to trip the base for him though.
Yeah. His game is really getting slowed down.
And this is, again, the prioritization on mid.
Slowing Nisha down. That's all this attention is designed to do right now.
They almost don't care what's happening on the side lanes.
I mean, why would you? You already shut down Ace, so who cares if he gets a little bit of recovery time, especially if he dies yet AGAIN to mid-watching?
Ace is the same exact spot!
Ace must be almost tilted at this point. How the hell is he going to storm just gank me three times in a row, and there's nothing happening, right? We've all been there.
Yeah.
Well, Mickey, you're the only one who's having a good game right now.
right now. This is spiraled quickly. 3k gold lead. You're also getting early galvanized
stacks for Storm which helps you farm early, accelerate a little bit more. The kez is super
free from the Deceal already done. This map's really scary for Liquid right now. Especially
with the mid-slaughter, I don't think they wanted early game to go like this. You don't
have that crazy mid-spirit hero to fall back on in the Linkin here you need to get
way more done in the Mid-Games. If the DK slaughter combination, that's pretty strong.
Another death for Foxy, number five. Everywhere the mid one goes it's the
free-to-hill. Two free right now. They're gonna have to bring Mika into this game
earlier than I think they wanted to. One for the stun, I think they need
Dragon Tail to threaten the storm here. And two for the damage because their
The best combination is slaughter amp into some of the DK right-clicks, super strong.
If he's bringing the stun and the damage, what's the rest of the team bringing?
The moral support at this point.
They're bringing the hope for assist gold.
Close to slaughter blink, though.
Yeah, look, pick a lingering around mid. He feels it in his game.
He knows he's going to have to somehow fight some impact here.
You get slaughter blink,
Decay blink, your options open up a lot more and you do have the burst damage to
bring anybody in this game down.
Got to the blink tag around the slaughter. See if they want to make some moves off of that.
Or if they just play defense.
Now's the day to care. They're definitely trying to bait out in the mid lane and
Mid 1 went for it! He's gonna be chained stunned up! I can't believe he went for it, man!
I thought Miles had to read on this situation!
I was mid sent and saying that you need to be careful not to overextend on some baits.
And respect the physical burst damage that can come out from the slanted.
That was just a mystery.
He pays a big price. He was snowballing in this game.
A lot of gold going into Midgay's pocket right there.
almost a thousand team gold half of it to the dragon.
Right time, right place, solid bait, and that'll be the DK's blink.
So now you have even more playmaking.
Worked in liquid jet by that.
the
time to
go back to killing ace on the exact same spot again.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I'm trying to play around the bedette right now.
This map, look at how constricted the map is.
Look at where Liquid are playing at 15 minutes. That's pretty wild.
Normally in this situation you feel like you're just winning because you have so much extra space to farm.
But now's when kills. They don't want to kill creeps. They want to kill heroes right now.
They're afraid of jumping tofu again because what if it's a bait like last time?
So they use this smoke to get up to the high ground.
Don't fight any cores.
Well, they find their old friends.
Ah, yeah, okay, Stormkilling Razor.
Def number four on the Secret Shop area.
Still though, with the Blink Tagger on the Dragonite,
they are gonna try and get in here.
The Dragonite's gonna be jumped, going after him.
Okay, Raptor Dance really doesn't hit too much there,
only hitting on the boxy, so Mikkei,
he's got the spacing of the Dragon Tail on the break,
onto the Bristleback, pullback in with the Bush Whack.
That gets broken by the Echoes,
flash in, boom, it's not dead quite yet.
The Dragonite's in some trouble here,
They're trying to turn some damage back around and put up both of them! What the toggle?!
Holy crap! I can't believe Mick Aster 5 through that! What a crazy toggle!
This guy's just a piece of... He's in the zone right now.
Perfectly baited fight from Liquid. They lose Razor at the start for free, too. Keep that in mind.
Yeah.
Still able to win that teamfight.
As Maus...
They have three cores in this fight, but they hesitated, and it cost them a lot here.
They all didn't just man up on this DK. They're trying to dodge stuns,
trying to kite this fight out a little bit and then they committed the end without DKB on the kez.
If you get stunned, you're gonna get controlled.
It's the power of the starter amp with this much physical damage.
At this point, you could disengage.
I think Verso... maybe Verso can't get out.
The whole time, Ken is in DK's form isn't it?
Alright, by the time you get in, that gives Nisha another time to get off another amp.
He ends up with an amp on all three cores here.
It's cuz it's cuz the pop from tofu
He gave him the Povis when he was really low and they gave me the opportunity to talk because he also has a right to taunt on him
He's got a dog on him that he could potentially just died. That does it on is it right? It does take no
Yeah, but I'm saying the Povis protects against that. Oh, that was a very that's a play. Yeah, it was really cool
He's super far from the strike
Insane how well his game is gone for how rough this game is fed for the other two
Yes, Sagar Shard now though, so your skirmish is kind of online, he is jumping, start crushing
some heroes, amping him up, magnetizing on top, this DK is going to go to work.
This game could have snowballed very heavily for miles instead.
It is liquid with a net worth lead.
Yeah, they have stabilized this game like crazy.
I mean, their offlane is 0-11.
They have a net worth lead.
Explain that one.
That's one way to put it.
Damn.
They have a significant XP lead too after that fight. Five levels. Most of it is on the dragon right here.
Who is three levels ahead of his counterpart in the case.
The liquids seem chill just to keep the limited space that they have. Like the map is still kinda divided. 60-40.
That's the thing, I think there's a lot of teams in Maus's position there that would have not forced that triangle fight.
Especially before having BKB on Kes or some stronger items, right?
Yeah.
It would have just farmed the map with so much to control it. That's why it's risky to do that.
If it works out, you crush the game. Yeah, if it goes wrong...
It goes real wrong.
So you do have an empty image on the Stormspear right now and you did finish the BKB for Crystallis.
Nisha... Oh, they're gonna jump the game instead.
Oh, Nisha, which one are they going after here?
Oh, they're going after none of them!
The prowlers come through, get this done.
Okay, they got the grab on Nisha and he couldn't get off the Lotus.
Foxy goes in, hits a pretty big magnetized,
Ace tries to steal some damage away,
but this ball is really dangerous to walk into.
With the Crimson Guard going, the BKB on Chrysalis,
it just does not seem fightable for Liquid.
I mean, honestly, that could be worse for Liquid than...
They're very close to finishing Dragonite.
He gave the worst case scenario as you lose Mikkei before that comes out.
So in fact, he gets out of there as a big win and he's keeping the mid looking for the play.
Right back, quick low kill on the Jekiro.
Looking for more here.
Don't have any more stuns.
Might as well as Chris Willis showed at the top lane.
All these little retribution matter a lot for the quick escape.
I can't believe you didn't pull the DK there.
Really odd. I don't know if he...
Did he want to or he just got fogged by that tree?
Yeah, he should not be too happy with how his game is going here.
Jumped after Chrysalis, Chrysalis! Oh no, the BKB was on cooldown!
So Liquid made the move to hunt him down, and that's in time with Tormentor too!
I mean, better question is, did Nau's logic point move up with BKB Tormentor?
Yeah, where's the team for the objective?
That's the bigger question there as that's a shard liquid maybe not expecting to get but will happily take boomerang here
That's a upgrade
This is just Mickey I
Think is it and said right someone's 1v9 in this game
Mickey's definitely 1v9 in this one
Putting it on the back right now
Well, they did get tormentor that is potential double wisdom shrine
Now it's still hot. The one on their side of the map to be taken, but early gem
for tofu a great call considering not just an excessive of all the
Crestivation that's out. He should blinks away at the right time. He was just about to get vendetta hit lucky to get out there
Or you know his sixth sense
Belt the vendetta hit coming
This DJ's a problem. I don't really know how you deal with him.
You don't have anything to go through the BKB, and then she's going to help fight everybody because you have the Corrosive Haze to throw all these heroes.
It's not a straightforward physical man fight.
Once again, Stellar E just gets casually three shot by this dragon knight who's hitting harder
and harder.
Got a crush on two.
That is a nice one.
He's been rolling from boxy, man.
Boxy is fearless.
He's got a ghost after he kicks back in the mixed assassin who thought he was going
to kill boxy instead he dies because of boxy.
We'll grab here on boom, and they will chase all the way to tier 3.
The shot, the break goes off with a BKB committed.
Nicky doing some damage, Chrysler's trying to go bash, bash, got a little bit, another
strut of size on him, but hey, Chrysler doesn't want to keep chasing.
So tanky.
It's just not a fair fight with these amps going out.
All you have is that Kermsengard to try and protect you.
Don't have any dispells yet, no Lotus forms, no armor items.
Liquid's easing their moment in this game just like the rough start and straightening to the low shot.
Huge pick up for them.
And Malz can test this. They fought back, but Nick, Kristallus has no HP, no BJP.
This is a fight they can take.
Well, I mean, there's no dragon form on the Dragonite, and you've got a storm spirit.
You might as well try to see if you can get in there.
He's used a lot of mana already. Oh, no, we got Dragon Tilt Shrubs hit! Oh, mid one!
Well now you definitely can't take it. Chrysler's is almost dead.
I can't believe you let that DK stun him in melee form. Yeah, what was that? Yeah
damage damage damage damage oh that was so close to getting the ages to got the
roast run kill that's his dieback maybe not a bad time to get the cool down out
of the way not the outcome you were hoping for a liquid just taking this
This game over, I mean that entire early lease has been gone for some time.
Very close. Yeah, crazy fast flip there.
Now's they're gonna have to get some armor and defensive items up to deal with the slaughterer.
Overwinding physical right now.
I don't think Liquid are gonna slow this game down at all.
They couldn't threaten early high grounds in this game.
They have Greed's Crimson on the Razor.
They have the DK that can give them the Siege.
They have options here and how they want to play the map.
They hit the tier two bottom and then TP to the other side of the map with most their heroes
and smoke. Valkyrie invasion in the jungle on the other side.
See if they can, with their speed, catch Maus.
I like that play.
I might not land here just because vows are all in bakes trying to refill resources,
just still it's a it's a very fast play to clear the entire map you have gem
running on tofu anyways so you might find support, you might end up finding a hero anyway
without the dragonite are they gonna have the damage though it's close it's
not quite enough very close full step away tp out but they'll still get
something for their trouble celery and maybe the next assassin next assassin
status while both supports are gonna fall on the outside liquid heaven K with
an aegis now
I can't help but feel like Miles...
This seems like the series could have been a 3-0.
They've had moments in teams where they could have taken it over,
but that is what separates great teams from good teams.
At least in the current form.
They can just refuse to lose control of the squad.
I mean, it's having a perfect game, 10 and 0.
Datal is done, by the way.
What honors are you doing against these Datal's hits?
With Corrosive Hazel.
We're still looking for the armor items.
There's just nothing to protect you against this right now.
Oh, speak of the armor items, one's gone missing.
Lotus further delayed.
Let's have to split the map.
Try and find.
Achieva's Lotus, Datalus on Kez, that's gonna be your next best timing here if you're
mouth so if I'm liquid I'm just not going like don't think you're afraid of anything right now
blip for glyph don't we just pull this detail as well oh yeah so mountains have to hit the
backline they can't get through this drag hi if I don't he's in no way I don't think they can do
or anything. And you just have to conceit this.
Tip up a lane. Crimson goes out to delay them.
The form is out. It's the only thing
stopping Mika here. And cut the waves. They're going to jump on
to the Bristol back. Here comes the response to those swamps here at the Sheeva's pushing
Liquid back. Because the mid lane is still pushing,
backdoor protection is still down. There's that pullback.
And a Dragon Tail. Jump onto the Storm Spirit.
The fall-up to crush the old bushwhack and kind of screw things up there, but Chrysler still ties.
Hey, don't get the Storm Spirit what they're originally looking for, but that bushwhack did catch a lot.
I'm absolutely chocked here.
I do hate this, but even without the old... at least they're doing a lot of damage.
This might just be the end of things here.
40 seconds liquid
Maybe getting a second later barracks that a mouse trying to fight without Chrysalis in order to stop that
There's a chance that
More heroes die and there's good start with the jacquero quit buy back from him
Now the jump in the storms here with the sheeva's get some heroes. There's no openings though
You can't do anything in these fights
That is two quick lanes for Liquid.
Just hitting him gets the same timing as the Dragonite in this game.
Yeah, he had a Daedalus and now he already has a State Tanic.
That's just two farms.
Way too farmed.
These are what the Dragonite carry games are supposed to look like when you get out of head.
Off of a secure laning phase.
Just never look back.
To think that Malz did so much in the first minute.
They killed the ace-raiser five times. He hasn't died since.
He slowed Nisha down on a hero that is not as scary as maybe some of his others. Didn't matter.
Lineup just functions too well together.
Do you have your Sheevas and Lotus?
So you gots your arm items on the side of mouths? Is it too late?
Really?
It feels like it.
Smoke for the high ground there.
I'm not gonna wait for another roach.
We're gonna try and end things here.
Most of these heroes you could expect don't have buyback.
Drag a tail bush back.
It should get him away though.
Yammage.
Oh!
The shot!
Yammage took so much damage from Vickay there.
Now they're going after this dragon, IE gets pulled away, now pops BKB, Malus resetting,
Mikkei, not so much, Blankstain kills, boom, no buyback there, Stellar is gone, that's a tieback for him.
Three dead, Lane of Barracks exposed, not much mid want to do here, they're gonna jump in, Laceraw looking for his luck,
and he can get off the raptor dams man.
GG, Liquid hit their timing, and smashed Malus with it.
That's an impressive one.
They've seen a lot of really nice games from Liquid this event.
I think this is one of their more impressive in terms of
how quickly they turned that around
and made it seem like none of the early games.
Like that's just probably a game
they're gonna win no matter what.
And they just, I mean, Nikkei Dota,
this guy is, when he is in the zone,
he's the best carry in the world.
We've seen it at various points.
That is one of those games where he's just
not going to say anything.
He absolutely just played a perfect Dragonite game.
He's 15-0, crazy.
And that draft is kind of designed to do that, right?
Their answer to Kez is, we're going to jump you with the crush,
you're going to get amped, and you're just going to get blown up in the chains done.
Don't have a save, you don't have a way to bail him out.
You have no removal for the corrosive haze in this game, except for items.
And the second round of items for Malus get delayed,
this game is completely off the rails.
I do think they are extremely favored around that 15-minute mark.
I think there's a stronger in that they should win the game from that position with how much
capability to the cores, but man that's why Liquid's a world-class team mate.
Yeah, Dota Plus gave them like a 75-25 situation for Mouse,
but slips through their fingers so quickly, Liquid with 2-1 Mouse.
Couldn't have said it better myself in Stania because for as much as Dota Plus can do some
I'm predicting you can't play it for the Michael Vu factor.
What a DK pick.
We were quite skeptical when we saw it at its position
in the draft.
It seemed like it would have been more compelling to get a direct
offline counter pick against Tekez.
But by golly, did they justify when this DK did work?
Yeah, he popped off every set he played a perfect game.
On the cast, I can't disagree.
I think it was genuinely hard to pick
fault in literally anything he did.
And I think this guy as a player has only gotten better over the years.
I think when he first switched to carry, he was like a little rougher on the edges
and he's consistently gotten better and better and better.
And now he just plays so many heroes, so many styles
and he's just so, so clutched and having a player like this
who takes a good start and just runs with it and will carry the game
is so invaluable building that faith from your teammates in you goes a really long way.
Especially when you don't feel as comfortable with the draft
or you think maybe you've had a worse performance like you look towards
Things like that game too, and I'm like, oh thank god we had Mickey here, I mean he really is such a natural and it was just an outstanding series in general, like that game the Shadow Fiend was the reason why they were still in it, and this game his DK really popped off.
Yeah it's not a hero that I would typically associate, like the Shadow Fiend I'm like, oh yeah that's a Mickey hero, but a DK almost felt like maybe we are trying to make sure that Crystalous doesn't get it, although they already had the cast at that point.
at that point. I don't know. It's just not something I typically associate with him or
typically associate with this star-studded of a performance.
I feel like Micke plays like Abaddon, Alchemist, Axe, Xanthar, did I forget some heroes? Basically,
if you look at the top left of your screen when you go to the hero selection, all the
way down to Winter Wyvern, I think everything between there, he plays like pretty well.
Abaddon to Wyvern. Yeah.
Grandmaster Lodz uses.
This isn't really his name, but everything between Wyvern and Abaddon, pretty good.
Good to know.
Yeah.
Quinn, did you point out any moments in this game that caught your eye?
Yeah, I think despite all the praise for Micah, I think Malz did a lot of good things this game.
And if they honestly had the game in a pretty good spot before they bungled it a little bit.
So let's look at that.
I think look back in time.
And you know what that starts with?
It starts with killing Ace a hundred million times.
This lane went just as bad as we feared.
This man was in the grave more than he was out of the grave.
I think he had tombstones populated an entire graveyard.
Here he is dying a whole bunch of times.
And I think this is really good from Maus to find the lane that is vulnerable
and to keep pressuring there to keep killing there over and over and over again.
But I think the real issue comes whenever they force this fight in the triangle.
In a situation where they really don't need to, they can farm the map,
they can let the sticky farm, keep getting, you know, sort of easy kills and chill,
but they massively overextend.
And this is the fight where Micke clutches up, gets a nice armor toggle,
It just beats the crap out of everyone.
I think this really shows that Miles, while they show signs of hope this series,
and they've definitely looked better than they have in the past week,
it's just not quite the area because this is honestly just a forced error.
Like, it's not when Liquid made some crazy move or did some huge comeback,
it's kind of just they're just standing there farming.
And Miles ran in with Goldback and was like,
Here, take this, take this, take this, take this!
And then, you know, and then they're caught up.
And why not?
Take it, take it, take it, take it!
and they end up coming in this three game series.
It's a shame because it would have been encouraging
to see the full comeback.
I am not 100% sure.
I think Mausers eliminate, is this their fifth loss?
I believe.
Check the numbers, Effie.
Because, nope, but I could be after them.
It's gonna be one in four, right?
No, one in five.
One in five.
They're out.
That was an elimination series for them.
Heartbreaker.
You know what, I think they went out in a way that's respectable, because they talked their
group stage and then they had really bad few days and everybody counted them out.
Then they beat Aurora, which nobody expected.
And then here they are, taking Liquid to three games, they very well could have won that
game too.
Like how they cleaned up a player too, it could have been their series, so while it
does feel bad for them, I'm not concerned for them the way that I was in the first
couple of days of this group stage too.
Yeah, I feel like things are pointing in the right direction for the future.
Like this isn't their event. That's all evident throughout, but I think compared to, yeah,
what we saw at the start of Group Stage 2 was like a team that we don't really believe in,
we don't really think they have anything in the bag, there's nothing left,
and then they managed to, in just a few days, clutch out like
beating arguably the best team at the event, and like the top two teams at least at the event.
They were very competitive, so it's good signs of life moving forward in this season.
The full top 8 of this tournament is a neck and neck and we get to talk to someone who
remains undefeated and I think I actually need help with this one.
Insane, you mind joining me because I feel like the only way we could accurately get
inside this man's head, Mikke's head, is to speak to him in his native language,
so Insane, if you don't mind helping me do a little Swedish translation.
We'll start off with the classic. I mean, Mickey, how are you doing after a series like that?
Mickey, he's asking, how are you doing?
I'm doing well, thanks. How I feel after a series like that? I don't know. Relieved, I guess.
He speaks a little bit.
We can...
Swedish, I guess.
Whoa, I didn't realize I understand Swedish.
Do you speak Swedish?
Yeah, no Swedish. I'm doing English. Because I'm like...
Mind blowing me right now.
He says, I'm his favorite position 5 he's ever played with, and he misses me a lot.
Incredible. That was a fantastic performance specifically on DK.
We saw this Kaz hero has been showing up quite a bit,
and we saw that maybe a Tidehunter counter pick would make more sense.
Instead, you guys went for DK. You might have walked me through that.
He says that your DK was really bad. And I ask why you played him.
I think we needed a stun in a draft and somebody said DK so I play DK that's how I went down.
He said BlitzDota made some happy decisions and then he said give me DK I'll win this
game so I'm talking.
Well, harsh words, I'm surprised that he's taken it out like that.
And moving forward this is rare for Team Liquid to be doing so well in a dream league.
Are you starting to feel the pressure of maybe being a back-to-back championship after winning Blast?
So...
The reason is we...
We play POTS now, Maiden, so I'm sorry.
We didn't play POTS when you were in the team.
I'm lucky for you.
And I forgot what tsunami asked.
What did he say?
Mika said everyone are bots during this Dream League, unlike the other ones before.
Incredible.
Mika, talk to Mika for taking the time to speak to us on this interview.
Insanity, thanks for the translation, and congratulations on the series one.
So now Mika says you smell bad in real life, Mika.
I look toxic with...
He says you also smell like shit.
Incredible.
Wonderful rapport that we have.
Thank you very much, Mika.
We'll catch you later.
And we also have some other tasks to attend to as the...
that seemed a little...
a little bit more hot-headed than I typically associate with Mickey,
but I mean, I guess just in his native language,
sometimes that's just how it comes out.
Yeah, he's a lot more comfortable.
I mean, technology's come such a long way,
like hearing the live translation as he spoke.
Yeah, I didn't... I mean, I agree with Neil.
I didn't realize I was so fluent in speedish until recently,
but, you know, apparently, I was most as...
Yeah, you just pick it up while you're in the country.
That's wonderful. It's incredible.
We also need to prove that us on the morning shift are capable of going toe-to-toe with the undefeated night shift.
We took that mouse versus the roar again yesterday because we won a task.
We have one point on the board and now we have an opportunity to build a cookie tower.
What happens to the rest of the cookies, Neil?
I made them into concrete.
We have three minutes and the timer is currently on the screen behind me, and I have...
Spira! I have cookies!
Time is ticking, Neil! Hurry up!
Are you mashing the rest of them, too?
I'm not mashing the rest of them. I will need your help to measure, though.
Here is the implement.
What is that?
That is a measuring stick.
She's picking it. She's going into over here.
Let's go. Okay, let's go.
The initial strategy was fine.
That's not how you do it. Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me.
Hold on. Give me your stuff.
Yeah, we don't need the glue.
I don't care.
I just need to get one in my life, which is wizardry.
You measure things with it.
What happens to the cookies?
This is what I need to measure.
The cookie tower that they're going to build.
Do you guys think this is enough to be anymore?
No, I think it might be higher than that.
Just get the glue, and then I'm going to go.
I'll hold this part of it up.
Pour the glue.
I need you to pour.
Pour.
I don't know if this is going to work.
give me more give me more, give me give me give me give me give me give me, nice player
I have no money
that's getting higher
ok ok
i can feel it solidifying
ok yeah
maybe some more spirits
nice player
you just get what i could need
oh is that all you use to use this?
I actually have no money
you can use more spirits
i have no money
nice player
i just really don't want to get in the box
i can feel it it's starting to crystallize
i have no idea
nice player
Okay, I feel like we're good here.
Next layer.
Okay.
We still have time, Miro.
We still have time.
Yes!
Maybe give us some syrup.
Next layer.
It has to be free standing.
At the end of these three minutes, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness will be determined.
Next layer.
Final layer.
And to the final layer is I'm trying to grip it.
I'm getting in there. It's next layer.
Time. What do we got?
Well, we have to check on the stick.
This counts. This counts.
Yeah, this counts.
Check on the stick.
Check on the stick.
Let me zoom in on the stick because we can't see it.
It's like, uh...
Thank you, thank you.
It was 90 centimeters.
90 millimeters.
It's about what?
Here?
No.
75?
Magic from the top of the tower!
What are you doing?
I'm throwing rocks.
77 centimeters.
We've been told that it has to be measured from here.
Alright, what do we got?
22.
20.
I like 30 clean 22.
That's a pretty clean 22.
Yeah.
Okay.
Does that fall enough for you?
Shake my hand.
No, it's not. That's okay.
Was that supposed to tip-stare?
I feel like I cut off the cookies.
Do it really.
Shake his hands.
Oh, I will not shake his hands.
Excellent work, team.
Great team effort.
Good job, team harmony.
Thank you.
Excellent work, everybody.
I'm glad that we were all contributed equally to this amazing feat of architectural engineering.
I can only wait and expect that night shifts will crumble like the cookies that they are.
for the first half of Dream League season 28 and day number, so I don't know how you
open this, but it's very, it's very sticky.
I think it may need to be cleaned first before it is...
I think it is.
I have full control on like Sonomi.
Yeah, it's a bit sticky though, so be worried.
There's another series of Dota coming up, stick around everyone and you will get to
watch it with a group of four new people.
Thank God.
I got you.
Come on, let's go!
So can we
The strength of the stars
And skate to the future
On the moon, on wings
Of the next adventure
That's the best
Of the next adventure
Give it to me, give it to me
And when you take the time to really slow it down
Lay back and beg on why
Discover what you need
This quick extortion will get you back on your feet
I'm on my way
I'm on my way
And so can we
We're sweet through the stars
And speed through the future
I'm on my way
To the best adventure
I'm on my way
And I can't dream to take you
I'm on my way
And we're the same brand new
We're sweet through the stars
And speed through the future
I'm on my way
To the best adventure
Oh, yeah, you're killing my mind
Best invention
Oh, that's the best
That's the best
That's the best invention
I'm on my way, and I'm taking you with me
I'm on my way, and I'm feeling so good free
Let's wave through the stars and speak to the future
I'm gonna win through the past adventure
Let's go!
That's adventure
Yeah, uh, fully, yeah
I'm the spark in the room when the base go
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
It's party, no, no, yeah.
When the day's gone, bones.
Yeah, I'm a killer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Step in the G, that's my name.
Chiptal, clean, and it's all mine, ain't got a groove.
So stick, make the down, start drinking.
Them ones built, that's a permanent thing.
And it's not fair to cause women to take a hit.
Dream League Season 28 is brought to you by DHL and Chex.
I thought I had it all figured out.
I thought I knew which days would be the fastest, which series would be the most obvious to
predict.
I knew. I really did.
I really did, but sometimes...
Sometimes it just doesn't happen, I guess.
Yeah. I guess that's okay.
Luckily there are some stables.
Stable factors we could always rely on.
LIKE THE PUNCH OF PANAS!
in games of Dota is the best type of Dota because that means we're getting surprised.
The Dota is good, it's back and forth, and it's all fun. Just like the people next
to me. Also fun. Hey, Jack, is that how you do?
Hello, Sheeva. Wonderful to be here.
Yeah.
And thank you so much for that introduction. I've been playing Outer Wilds, playing with
my girlfriend, playing Outer Wilds, and that reminded me of kind of space-related
stuff.
Very good.
It has had me in the good vibes. Have you played Outer Wilds, Quinn?
I've not. I've heard of Space, though.
Did you?
I've heard of it, yeah.
What's your favorite planet on the solar system? Is it the Sun?
I'm a Mercury kind of guy. You're a big Mercury fan. I mean I kind of like Earth and not gonna lie everything you know. Alright.
We got a lot. I'm not in retrograde.
Can't Earth be in retrograde? That's probably why all the bad stuff's happening lately. You think it's in retrograde?
I think Earth has been in retrograde since her life. I don't know what that means. I'm not an astrology person.
But you know who is?
I'm sorry, I thought you were going to say Neil deGrasse Tyson?
No, we're not going to, no, we're not going to segue to that yet.
What we can segue to is we're going to check out what happens over, I kid you not guys.
I did not expect yesterday and today, Brian.
Hey, how are you doing?
Good.
Very good.
Do you think the world has gone to shit since Farambe went down?
It's only downhill from there.
It's been downhill since Farambe, hasn't it been?
How long has it been?
Since Farambe?
What year was that P and how far we pH post-Hurambe six six years?
It's been at least six years. It's been more than six years since Hurambe was what started
I feel like it was significantly before COVID like 2012 or something stupid
No way. I think she's closer than you are. No way. Here she's googling. I thought it was like 2018-19-20
Somewhere in there the great Hurambe incident of 2012. It just makes me feel old if it's earlier than 2016
Oh, so we're down the middle.
Yeah, yeah. I'm a great detective.
I'm a great detective and I also want to point out,
do you guys, this is not as much for Quinn,
but mostly for Brian and Jenkins,
I know you guys watch all the games,
but do you guys watch the in-between segments of the pre-shows?
No.
No, I mute that shit.
Big time.
No fans, it's not you.
No, no, much love.
Yesterday was the first day that we had to concede a point. We were stuck on a puzzle and
We were like can't do it and we
Told them we conceded the point and we continued solving all the other puzzles because
Puzzles can be found apart from the one we couldn't solve of course
So we conceded the point and I've got something to show you guys
Let's go see morning can finally get a point
We did solve all the puzzles apart from that one that we got stuck on but because we got stuck on the second puzzle
The rest of the puzzles we solved doesn't matter
It matters for our egos
I guess we're so happy and proud that we solved the puzzles, so that's nice
And the only one that we didn't solve was a stupid puzzle because that's what happens when something doesn't go your way
It's stupid. Why did they get disqualified? Did they cheat? Yeah, they gave up. They gave up. They gave up.
It was a sympathy point. They said they were disqualified. Why were they disqualified?
Yeah, because they gave up, they looked up the answer to one of them so they could progress to the next.
It'd be fair we did that too.
Shut the fuck up, Turia!
I promise I didn't watch the video, Ted might have watched the video, or maybe he didn't.
May or may not have.
I don't know.
Just like an imagine, Steve were watching this in a hotel room getting seriously angry, getting disqualified.
I was not angry, I was really entertained at that point because that last bit already happened
After I watched the pre-show and then I was angry, but after that I just found it funny, but you knew!
I knew this morning!
I knew!
But rather than lashing out, I did what any normal people or person would do, I vented to Owen.
And then you put it on TV?
And then I made it!
And then I made it!
It's a costume!
He said, shame them, Sheever.
I would shame them.
Oh, that's interesting.
So did they get stuck on the same one?
Yes, it was the exact same puzzle.
Is it the ball one?
Yeah, no, the ball one.
The square one, the square one.
Oh the screw one I don't think I don't think that I don't know actually I didn't do any of them
It was it was all like it was Ted and Neil and the Aiden we're just grinding them. I also didn't do any of them high five
Useless bozos
But thank you for for the so what's the what the points out just say thank you for carrying me but is I don't know what happens
I would imagine neither of us get the point of it in the end because both would be disqualified in that sense
But we will apparently see tomorrow morning. So we'll have to wait and see what happens there
Also, of course today, there's another task you might have seen the end of the task for the morning crew just now
It was a beautiful 22 centimeter tall cookie tower. I can smell the end of the task
Smells like syrup. Yeah, it was a lot
Maybe a little bit too much but jury's on that one. I guess we will see we can we can we can talk strategy a little bit
But like the fact is that they bake all their own cookies
and I'm sure that we have to do something similar.
Let's bring Disco Bob.
Bring out Disco Bob.
Woo!
Here he comes.
Very distinct from regular Bob, guys.
This is a different character.
That's a weird fact.
Oh, yeah.
He's very agile.
He's very agile.
And I don't like he was Sonic Bob.
But now he's Disco Bob.
This for me?
Nice.
Very nice.
Thank you so much, Disco Bob!
Thank you, Disco Bob.
Am I reading the no-card?
Yes, but I want you to pay close attention.
I've been told to really have to pay close attention to that.
The cookie-nater, 9,000.
Bake the cookies.
Decorate the cookies.
Resist eating the cookies.
We'll see how far that goes.
It says that means you purge, but purge isn't here,
but I think it means Jenkins.
You'll get three minutes to assemble
the tallest cookie tower possible,
using only your baked cookies and decoration equipment at the end of your shift.
Tallest freestanding tower when the timer expires, wins.
There's no other text on their sheet.
Well, no, the text is actually, I think the only extra text is the Purge comment.
Ah!
Purge just has to-
I thought we were getting an extra rule.
I think the rule is that we can't have Purge eating cookies, which will be very difficult.
I don't know if you understand how difficult this challenge will be.
If he eats a cookie, we lose.
Really?
It says resist eating the cookies.
That means you purge.
Purge has to resist eating the cookies.
It doesn't say we get disqualified if he eats them.
No, but it says we have to resist it.
That is genuinely difficult.
Yes, that is near impossible.
I actually have a strategy for this.
I think we can just load him up with sweets in the green room.
Get him the Kinder Bueno's.
I can order on some Max's ball, fill him up.
Get him, the thing is he has a different tank for sweets.
So we can't fill him up on Max, we have to.
So a milkshake.
Can we fill up both tanks?
That's a good trap.
I think a milkshake is actually a good, is a good trap.
Because it's sweet.
And he's very filling.
Milkshake is good, but he likes like cookies.
Ah, no, like gummy eats and stuff.
Cookie milkshake.
Cookie milkshake.
Maybe a gummy milkshake.
If we get him a gummy milkshake, I think we're good.
So this one's off.
We should get on that.
Yeah, we should think about it.
I think we should open. We have to actually bake the cookies and we got limited time available so start baking okay
There's different ingredients. Don't forget. We have to also decorate the cookies
So there's there's what do we have?
We have sugar
Why is there ginger?
Sugar for the sugar and ginger. We got some but uh, we got a chocolate chip is decoration by the way
We have a this like a cooking mat. Yes. Oh, it's the measure the cookies
Okay.
And cookie map.
I-I-I've-I've-
I would imagine we have a tray as well.
We have a greater...
...for cookies.
Greater than what?
Chocolate potentially.
Or maybe the butter.
But that doesn't help with, like, getting the...
But we have to decorate.
We have to decorate the cookies.
But if we make the cookies too delicious,
Kurt will eat them.
That's the problem.
Let me just burn them.
Is this the same bottle they were using?
Yes, it is!
Because it's like two words gone.
Don't touch it too much, because it's sticky.
Oh.
They didn't even think about that.
They could have just squirted all the sugar out.
No, they weren't holding off too.
They-they-they could have.
I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't.
Sounds like a morning shift thing to do.
I can't lose anyway.
I do believe they had two trays of cookies.
It doesn't seem like we do.
And also, that's fine.
We can figure that out.
How do they do trays, though?
Is that just the tray?
We don't have a tray.
No, we're going to get a tray.
Okay.
So, the first step is to make the dough.
So, we have to turn the oven on for 200 grams of butter.
While they're figuring this out, let's take a look at the standings because we're
only one day away from learning what's gonna happen. Team Liquid still on the
feed, although it's starting to get difficult. Let me put that out there.
They did drop games, but not series. So good on them and therefore they're also
made this yellow. We're calling it a yellow and that means that they're
guaranteed in the playoffs. It also means that if Tundra wins another series
they also are guaranteed that we'll have to wait for tomorrow for that. Now
And unfortunately, for mouse, because they lost the series against Liquid, they're out.
And we're going to find out where some other people are going to slot in, of course, keep
in mind tomorrow there is the first series of the day, there's overlap of two series
at the same time for two series, and then tie breakers.
There's a pretty decent chance at tie breakers at the moment, I mean I'm not going to
tell you all the permutations because there's too many, let's be real.
What I am going to tell you about is the schedule, we got two series still coming
away today and the first one up is Aurora taking on extreme gaming after that we're gonna have
Paravision versus Falcons and all of those teams want points on board Quinn. They do, they do indeed.
I'm pulling for my boys in extreme. I think they're fun to watch, the only Chinese team here.
I think region diversity is fun. It's not called the international for no reason. It's not
called the only Europe national. Dreaming like season 28. Yeah I know but it's a spirit of
of the scene, you know.
Ah, of course.
It's the fear of the scene.
Oh, let's see if your actions are backing up your words.
I call it the year of League.
There you go.
Quinn predicts.
Oh, you did predict Extreme.
Well done.
Okay, it's very good.
I put my money where my mouth is.
Oh, very good.
Very good.
This is just checking.
I will say it's predominantly Aurora being chosen there, which makes sense because
they have been showing up very strong, but I will also say they might have
been figured out by Liquid and therefore they've been dropping series.
dropped even a series to miles yesterday which a lot of people actually nobody saw coming in
not even Jenkins because he predicts the loser rather than the winner that's how it works that way
let's take a look at the results so far as well in our predictions as Perion and Cap are topping
the charts. I'm slowly plummeting. It's all good it's cozy at the bottom too. That's right I
decided long ago I would never predict tundra so that's been screwing me over pretty good.
You're still in the winter is coming train?
That's right.
Winter is coming. It's not here yet.
It's a long spring.
How many days?
It's a really long spring we've ever seen.
There's no way! It's just one little cup of butter. That's not a cup.
No, no, no. Is there any other tool that we can use?
What are you trying to do?
Cut the butter into smaller pieces.
There has to be like a knife.
Okay, there's no knife.
It says 200 grams of butter, which is 90 milliliters of butter.
This is 15 milliliters, which means we need six of these.
six of these. What about the big one? Didn't they measure it? No. Is it measured? I think
that would make it, I think that would make it too easy. Well that looks like about a
six of this. There is a grater, you can cut the butter with the grater. Okay, that's,
I don't think I've ever grated a butter grater as far. Okay, Brian. Yeah. If you can peel
yourself away from, just take it off the ring. Take it off the ring. You can
take it off the ring. Well of course. You're smart. Thank you Brian. If you
I would love to hear what you have to say about this upcoming series, Aurora vs Extreme.
Absolutely, Sheva.
Absolutely.
Positively.
Positively.
Okay, so for this series of Aurora vs Extreme, I wanted to highlight the dynamic that we
always see in the history of Dota, the tug-of-war between the whole idea of split pushing, playing
the map and team fighting and how that plays into ore items and more pick-off skirmish-y type items.
And maybe a little bit of a state of the meta for both of these teams and what we
should probably be looking for in the series today. So I've got some clips for both of them
and I'm going to jump into Aurora first from their match yesterday where they lost against
Maus. So in this game the thing I want to highlight is that Maus is in the Roche pit right
now. And when we look at Bristol-Bach's inventory, he's got a pipe and Mars is working on a BKB.
So what does that mean? They give up Roche, they give up Tormentor, look at, look at Aurora,
they're just farming the map. They feel like there's nothing for them to even do to contest
these objectives. And at 4K lead quickly accelerates into Aegis, Tormentor, 8K lead walking
high ground with a pipe and a crimson. And this whole time two of the Aurora cores are just
Farming the map not even trying to show up because they know that they can't and that's kind of the state of the meta
That we're in right now as Mao's briefly retreated and then back to you know
Objectives at hand and if there's no worse feeling in Dota than watching the enemy team
Just hit your base like this with absolutely no place to make we've been watching a war and take really smart fights and make really like
Capitalizing on small mistakes from the opponent when they're out of position and stuff
but there's absolutely no window for them at all in this game and here's Aurora
Realizing the state of their situation here and they're going to smoke around
To try to force a fight you see them looping around on the top side of the screen. They're gonna be flanking
time for the big surprise coming out from Aurora and
The smoke breaks and they immediately retreat
Get out they realize they can't even fight at all and this is a situation
and they just have to absolutely avoid today.
So as we jump into extreme gaming's clips,
because we know Aurora's gonna be looking to solve this,
this is extreme gaming versus Bet Boom.
And if we look at Necrophos' items,
he's got a Greaves, Pipe, and a Lotus,
a lot of team fight items.
When we go into the Razor's items,
he also has a Crimson Guard and a Satanic,
very team fight heavy items.
And then we look at the other team's items,
they got nothing.
So, watch the spell casting coming out from Extreme.
This is about as flawless as it's going to get after the slaughter of Dice, of course.
There's going to be a four-man fatal bonds with the Queen of Pain Ulti and a support Tiny Dice.
And that's absolutely all that happens in this fight.
And this is a game that Extreme ended up winning about 30 minutes later.
But as you can see, these fights are incredibly hard for these teams to take.
And they've perhaps gotten a little bit too much in the habit of getting to watch their opponents just walk away with full HP here
And not having the team fight items necessary in this meta. We're looking at Crimzegard
We're looking at pipe potential greaves and it just I believe in both of these teams capability of executing
And I just want to make sure that they give themselves that chance to fight in today's series
Thank you very much Brian
You can join us again, that's wonderful.
In the meantime, the butter is being, I don't know why the butter is being grated, but it is being grated, so there's that.
Dude, it looks like so much when you grate it.
It's very airy.
It looks like cheese when you grate it, to be honest.
I don't think I've ever seen grated butter.
Honestly, it smells so good.
It's just butter.
What do you need next?
Vanilla sugar.
Did you not put too much?
This is sugar and vanilla sugar and ginger.
That looks like so much butter.
We were told that thing.
Right in my mouth.
We were told that.
Button.
Cut the butter into small pieces, stir the butter and the sugar together.
Now unfortunately, they mixed the sugar with the other things, so we don't have an option to pour everything in.
Oh, the draft will start soon, that's nice.
Stir the butter and sugar, okay, so it's saying add all of them to the same bowl and mix them with the butter and the sugar.
So I'm sure it's fine if we just dump it all in there.
Better be.
Okay, and I do want to talk about the Dota as well because for both teams. This is a pretty important series
Before today normal cookie. What is that how much butters in a normal cookie 200 grams a lot of butter
It's all right. Go ahead and go back to a man. You do during your job. She thank you
I I want to ask because I feel like extreme in steady stable. Why do I have butcher on my finger?
It's steady and stable and is doing quite well for themselves
and I feel like Aurora, when we saw them play against Team Liquid two days ago,
it almost seems, Quinn, that they got kinda, I don't know, something that exposed or something,
like the boat got rocked basically, and I don't know what it was, but it feels like Aurora is still feeling it.
Yeah, the fact they lost the mouse is legit crazy, I think.
The fact that only Jengas predicted them, like you said before, is very telling.
It should have been the most one-sided series.
Yeah, I think it was the single most one-sided series so far.
I think it was the only one that just one person predicted. So I agree. I think they the boat has been rocked and
Like it is a new team. They have some inexperienced players WS and Kaori
specifically have not really had a ton of like tier one like land experience or tier one big tournament experience, so I think
They're gonna need to get it together because their form prior to those losses looked amazing
It took games even off of tundra who I think a lot of people favored
Yeah, not ever
Winter's coming.
It's coming, all right.
Is it that almost spring?
Spring's coming, Shiver.
There you go. Winter's never ending.
They are called Thunder. They like the winter.
Winter will keep going.
I mean, the thing about both these teams that I was trying to highlight is that I was concerned about
picks like Slardar because
they're offlaners that don't naturally
build aura. We even saw like
a Mars go back for
a Crimson Guard.
surprised if Slaardar start considering these types of things too, like later game.
But I liked what Liquid did last series where it definitely looked bad for Ace's lane to
be Razor off lane, but by giving Nisha the Slaardar, he was allowed to like build like
a Slaardar without removing the team's ability to fight, because Ace was going like the,
I think, Grief's pipe or something along those lines, he did go Aura's.
So I'm wondering what this means for Extreme, because they picked Slaardar into Jekiro,
Which, I would say J'Kuro, obviously he's a strong laner against pretty much everything.
But Slaughter really hates laning against attacks, so he always hates J'Kuro's Crystal Maidens
and the like, Phoenix for instance, so I'm just surprised that they immediately responded
with Slaughter.
I don't know if you have better impressions of this Quint than I do.
I mean I think it's lightly more two-sided because Slaughter's fast and whatever the
heck it's called, the Break Lake.
Leg day.
Leg day, yeah.
Leg day.
I thought it was garbage on you and you can run away so we can't keep hitting you with it.
It's not as easy to kill a slaughter.
And I also think it's just very, very comfortable for Extreme.
It fits the style of carry they picked for Amé.
They also get their blink stun right away so NTS can play something more like his tinker
or his hero is a carry more instead of playing like tiny or blob stun guys.
So I think like the versatility it affords their other heroes is nice.
But I agree like generally G-Kero is good against slaughter.
Oh dude, what are you doing?
saying mix it all together put some flour on the table that's the flour right yeah but
there's stuff oh there's stuff other than flour as well but it doesn't say it doesn't
say put flour in there you gotta put flour on the table to make the cookies yeah so we'll
just leave some flour yeah but but but it looks like he's pouring it in there yeah don't
pour it in there yet what does it say next step you gotta read I did add vanilla syrup
flour put the flour on the flour add the vanilla sugar syrup flour oh flour baking powder
So we need some flour left. Okay, you're right. I need flour and cookies that I was just it didn't say to do it
So I was trying to follow the insert should not follow chat GPT all the time, right? Sorry
Where is the trade didn't you have a trade that came out of the oven that you could did you to there was no tray in the oven?
I'm sure I'm sure they'll give us extra flour if we ask it
Well, I know that there was two batch of cookies that were made by the morning crew
I would imagine we also get two batches of cookies because people like cookies
Well purge like those are eaten. I don't know I have to be honest or put on them
I don't think anybody wants to eat them anymore. Yeah
So I would imagine that we'll at least get a tray and probably a second batch of cookies.
What's our strategy? No, no, no, don't mix all the flour.
What do you think is our strategy for making cookies anyway?
Obviously, if you're going to build something, squares would be the best.
I mean, we can do a very thick base and the cookies are going to melt.
Make them smaller and smaller as we go higher.
You can't make thick cookies, they're just because they're about to melt.
You can't change the thickness of the cookie, if that makes sense.
But we can make a diverse...
I think triangles would be like the sturdiest flips.
Sorry, I'm gonna change.
It's squares.
It's a triangle shape.
It's squares.
But he has an engineering...
For cookies, if you want to stack cookies, it's definitely squares.
Triangles are less efficient, like triangles will be less efficient.
Sure, it's gonna be...
But it is squares.
Okay, so if we were to try to stack triangles, you would just make them into squares.
No, no, like if you stack triangles, you do like one like this, and then you rotate the next one like this, do you know what I'm saying?
I will tell you, Brian, the morning crew made triangles.
He's talking about like this.
The morning crew made triangles, and they all, it did not work, so that's why they had so many crumbs.
But you're metagaming right now.
Those used to be the triangles.
Those used to be triangles.
Yes, they used to be triangles.
Okay, then we will do rectangles here.
I think that will be a waste of cookie.
We can do whatever you want, guys.
There's too much flour. Isn't this too crumbly for a cupido?
Well, just eat it.
I've got a lot of things!
It says add syrup, so do we add some of that syrup?
Here's the syrup.
That's the syrup right there.
And that's the syrup we're supposed to add to this?
I don't know.
I feel like the other thing that we baked was much easier
because there were the exact portions, and it was very...
Yeah, but we have to...
We need three to four tablespoons of light syrup.
Well, that's literally, what is this?
This is a one, that's more than a half a deciliter.
One tablespoon is like what, this one, I would think so.
Yeah, this 15 milliliter, you just do three of those
and you got it.
Give me that syrup.
I need some syrup.
All right, we also need some syrup
for these drafts, for some sauce, brother.
Give us the sauce, Quinn.
What's happening and who do you feel like
is winning this draft so far?
Aurora has gotten the SOS or the SERP if you will.
We've seen this Tide vs. Tez a bunch throughout this tournament.
I think it's very, very good because you can shrug off all of the annoying debuff that
Tez has.
He doesn't kill you and you can ravage your Aertreps to commit on you.
Not to mention that the rest of Extreme Gaming's heroes have the same problem where
it all just gets shrugged up by Krakenshell.
And I think Tide generally as a hero is just kind of broken if he's not countered.
So the fact that they get this juicy Tide on 18 I think is a little bit of a
or XG they can just pull waves of tiny title get his game and they can play through mid eventually so so far
Not looking incredible for XG. I would say
But you know they have last pick at least I'm gonna give her cover some things
Yep, they do have really strong team fighting spells on their supports on extreme, but I just want to
Really draw attention with quince said about the dynamic of tide
It's gonna create the same problem that I was trying to allude to in the in the pre-series segment
Which is how do you fight into this like you having a bad and you have a tide
You know tiny is just gonna be fishing for any target that he can get I don't know like how do you?
How do you set up the team fights on extreme? That's what that's what I'm concerned about
Yeah, I mean
It's just it's honestly that it's gonna be difficult to run into them not to imagine this and a bad as well and
All of your stuff just gets purged there's too many purges I feel and it's not enough on this panel. You know, that's right
It's good he's not here eating the cookies.
Seven go to a game.
You're not allowed to eat any cookies, part of the rules.
It's all a little dough already.
No I agree.
And I'm not sure exactly what it needs to be from XG.
Like I think they need some oomph, but the tinker is already banned.
And so there has to be some type of hero that has overwhelming damage.
Or just some long range guy.
Like you could look for something like an invoker, but it's not typically an
NTS hero.
But you want something within that vein that's a...
Does he have...
But you're not playing Slardar at all?
He could. It just still leaves the issue that it's even harder to find that type of hero that's super damaged from off.
Like, it's more rare.
A bunch of midlaners being banned out.
Either way, with the tinker, the puck, and also storm being removed from the pool by extreme themselves,
it will be extreme that has overall last pick.
So they have the upside there of seeing what would counter, whatever comes their way mid.
That's not where it keeps it ambiguous because the tiny could of course be both for either mayor or lord of I'm like tentatively looking at
Viper, I feel like it looks like a pretty sick Viper game. Oh
Well
Just to be clear I I will be honest
I was not talking about for a while I was talking about for extreme perfect, but it I
Suppose goes both ways and then they're also block picking the Viper. It's like one of the few things that
The counter is applied.
It lets you deal with that fact that you can shrug off all of Kez's damage.
Yeah, it makes the pluck band make more sense, because it was honestly a pretty bad pluck game when they banned it,
but I think it was sort of a pre-banned provider intending to steal it.
Yeah.
It's part of the mind games of the last phase bans when it's two of the same roll.
There's always this...
Oh, if we ban this, and they can ban that, and then this becomes available,
but that makes this better.
You gotta really work out the rock, paper, scissors, and see what...
Well, own them all.
That's Queen of Pain on the monk!
That doesn't co-op get owned by Vipers.
It traditionally does not.
This is a very strange pick.
You're definitely not going to dagger build with this,
but if you're not going to dagger build,
can Vipers just sit on the high ground and zone you?
I think co-op...
Okay, you need to play really well.
Co-op can draw this lane.
That is the best case result for co-op, as you draw.
Likely result is you get Molly Womped.
So I think NTS needs to play very well this game.
Well this game like the nice part is is the daggers spam if he gets the eggs and she doesn't things like that
Eventually is very powerful this game like it does help them with some of the oomph
But I question if you'll be able to get there is the problem
Yeah, I'm just I'm just thinking about extreme gaming like I'm imagining a bunch of guys blinking around trying to you know
start the fight and bait out spells and stuff and I just imagine a roar walking around in the nice little ball and
Them never being able to break it. That's my that's my concern. I don't see any way that they can do that
And even like, you think of a hero like Warlock punishing that, but then we talked about how many purges there are.
Not on this panel, but in the game, and they just remove fatal ones from all the heroes, so...
Yeah, I don't know. I'm not exactly, I mean, I can imagine a fight like a bunch of quab daggers coming out later, and that giving them the oomph, but I just don't think that's likely, so I'm heavily leaning towards Aurora's draft, but they've been looking a little shaky.
They have. Sometimes play matters more than drafts.
it does it does actually isn't that most of the time it depends on the quality of the teams
i think if both teams are giga then the draft matters a lot yeah i agree but the worst the
teams are in some ways the less the draft matters i agree with this i stopped like i stopped feeling
confident like the weaker the teams are in the tournament of my draft predictions being
correct so i would say that these teams are definitely solid enough that i would lean
heavily towards aurora but you still have to play the game absolutely and if i i see this
this game going late then Extreme maybe can get like four or five slot on the
clop in the in the kez and I'd say they out scale but even then I don't I'm not
confident. I agree with that generally like I feel like people have kind of
forgotten how strong Queen of Fame late game is once you get the eggs she does
so much damage she is basically a carry. They don't have a ton of burst on
the side of Aurora so she does scale. Yeah yeah so I think that that looks
pretty nice for them. Well the game is ready I'm gonna find out it's of
Of course, the best of three.
And by the time you're back here,
maybe we even have some cookies already made,
who knows, but who's always cooking
is of course, the Pucked Up Ponders.
Welcome! Another best 2-3 here at Arena League Extreme Gaming Versus Overwatch!
I stopped right here with Syndra and both teams, 3 and 2, so a really important matchup
Overall, the winner of this has a...
Are you guaranteed to move on at the top floor? It's close.
4 and 3 is not guaranteed enough.
We are going to need 5 and 2 to feel it safe, I do believe.
Of course the loser can always blame it on the boogie.
And go for the next game.
Um, Lorna Fliper, Shannon.
We got to cast this yesterday. Probably his single worst performance of the entire tournament.
What a pleasure to cast that game.
He runs it back. This is a guy who calls us bait-a-spade, had a bad game, is not losing faith in his ability,
and he's going to run it once more here.
A lot of what the panel talked about is focused on disbells here,
because you're playing against fatal bonds, corrosive haze.
It's very natural to look for solutions for that.
You have Foddick Shield, you have Blubber.
Brian seemed to heavily favor Aurora in the earlier parts of the game, which I could definitely
see.
But my biggest concern here for Aurora is form rather than draft.
It's like, now you've started losing.
I said today, if they lose this series, they're going to go three and four.
I think then they're breaking.
So let's see the curse.
Let's see the curse, you know.
So in other words, you're going to be picking them to win every series going.
I have lost track of how we curse teams at this point.
It's like there's levels to this because they're playing it's a Chinese team.
So it feels like both teams are going to lose somehow.
No, the Chinese teams only do really poorly when you say they're going to win the tournament.
Okay, not if I say they're going to do fine.
No, like game to game, it has no effect on it.
I think Xtreme are playing well enough in this tournament to do well.
No, that's a curse.
up there you go. Kaz is back Shannon. Yes, before we get on to that, the Viper, he talked
about how Lornoff didn't get off to it. Was it the start that he was, I can try to remember
the exact sequence of events that caused him to have such a rough game. That was a little
bit of everything to be honest. What was he leaning against again? It was a melee,
right? I forgot who he was leaning against. I just remember that he went Travel's
pipe and then got killed by Pales and Boker. He got killed by Cataclysm all game.
Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, anyone?
Doesn't have to deal with this game. I think the problem in this one is that the enemy team has
ridiculous physical damage, but you're actually very good against that in corrosive haze,
excuse me, in the Nether toxin until the enemy team gets BKBs.
If you go aggs especially, the Noa's dive. Against a hero like Slardar and Kez, they can't attack you.
They basically have to find the immunity. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Speaking of Kez, you wanted to say something?
Yeah, he's back. And not only is he back, but he's playing with Amplify. We've had...
I don't think you and I have cast a game of Kez plus Slardar this tournament.
But we've seen one before, and we have cast one before. And it is disgusting how fast Kez can kill heroes with that.
So sure, Tide and Abaddon can cover themselves to some extent, but honestly, if you get Corrosive Haze and Jump by Kez, it's an Insta Abaddon ult.
Like, you don't have time to get a body shield off.
So sure, it is a bit of a counter, but the damage is still going to matter. You have to be on your toes.
Yeah, we've seen, I mean, Abaddon is one of Nightfall's favorites, for sure.
I feel like at this tournament, generally, the hero has looked worse than usual.
I was expecting it to do better. I thought the hero was underrated for the first group stage.
I can't what the winning rank was. It's sub 50% for the hero though.
Yeah, that surprised me because in group stage 1 we didn't see it much. We thought a little bit more in the beginning of group stage 2.
And I was like, I thought this hero was going to be a bigger pick. Now it is becoming that in spite of not doing too hard.
So, wonder what gives.
Well, early on the mid-late, 11-3, 4-0 to say, while Lornoff at 13-6, so relatively even.
Oh, it smells like cookies in here.
Yeah, it's nice.
So nice.
Uh, Shiva?
Shiva, can we have one cookie for me?
Because they failed their tower horribly.
I'm sure I can have one cookie.
Get back to you guys on what the response will be here.
I'm getting very serious responses to this question.
This is of course some. He's being served some chocolate chips.
Chocolate chips, you need those Jenkins though. You need them? He says you don't need them?
Yeah, I don't think that they need to try too hard to beat the morning handle.
So you basically need to stack their cookies and then not do anything.
Yes, Konami condensed things and made it worse sometimes.
He made it worse than... yeah. It was impressive to watch. I was having a good
laugh at him keeping on stacking on top of the tower to make it shorter.
I feel like there's some sort of allegory going on there or some story that one could
have read if you read books, but I'll do that of course.
There you go.
Nothing to say, gets a water rune against Lornoff and we'll back away, but yeah, this
is a tough lane for QWOP.
You can see Lornoff already with a nice comfortable lead.
And of course, Queen of Pain, part of the problem in this lane is you can't use
Shadow start for anything this viper just trades favorably with you
Corus would have a Corus of skin has a 1200 radius
So if you cast dagger on Viper, you're just laying it like this will be first blood as K. Ori takes the tumble xxs claims it
Extreme on the board first. It was a given
It's the lane with jikiro in it. So first blood happens there for either team
It's funny, we were just talking about the mid lane, CS is relatively even now, like
you said, getting a lot more lopsided.
Once you get the lane under control as Viper, if you place it well and you have the levels,
it becomes so hard for QAWF because, like, what does she do?
She can scream.
That's it.
She can't use her lane-winning ability in most matchups.
It's just unusable here because it's unfavorable to cast it.
Cross of Haze, I keep calling it Haze Skin, outtrades you, Haze is on the other side.
Yeah, there is a Cross of Haze in this game.
That's why I'm confusing myself.
I think this way, they're gonna run right into Mira, I was trying to gank.
There's only level 2 Lornoff though coming in from the side along with Kaori.
Get the Avalanche to toss back into the double headed dragon as Mira in the tree
for the fatal bonds comes out so Mira dies, FY's the trade.
6 Viper. They need to back away immediately and they will. So one for one trade, probably
good for the side of Xtreme, they get a charge on the Grimoire. Should not be underestimated
how much this matters at this level to get that faster golem so you can drop it on a
tower with no one around and watch it push that tower the way Ice Frog intended. Yeah
it's kind of tilting to watch this time if I'm being honest. It was such an iconic
teamfight ulti back in the days and now it's like it's just one of the ulti's
and sometimes you don't even use it in the teamfight it's fun to see that
development and Mira really wants to focus on mid he's back immediately he's
gonna walk down and block with a sentry one of the camps kori also playing
aggressively he's gonna get hex for his trouble but we'll fly away it's
cool to see just how much they focus on constriction here you're playing
against mid-quap and you know Viper's winning the lane so you're just piling it on here.
Nothing to say. They don't lay their stuns that well but they get the avalanche to toss as well.
So blink away but it's not nearly enough, Kaori, there to finish the job. He's going to continue
to chase although he is likely going to die for his efforts but can he take X-Nova with him
is the question. A couple more right clicks will suffice but XXS there in time to put that to an end.
So again, another grimoire charge, but that's a fake quap death.
That was a TP into instant death.
For nothing to say.
I will say the quap in this tournament has looked pretty good.
Absolutely, but she generally doesn't start the game out like this.
I mean, how's the comeback potential for this hero these days?
It's very good with fatal bonds, but like the panel talked about, can you keep them
up in the fight, so that Quok gets to do, let's say, two volleys of scream and a sonic wave.
You could probably do it with Sonic, where if you use the spells in quick succession, you're
going to get a connection.
But, yeah, it's good news for nothing to say that he has setups like that, because sometimes
the hero kind of needs to do a lot on its own, and from this position, that is very
difficult.
At the very least, I mean, like you said, he was forced to not skill Shadow Strike,
but if you're maxing Scream of Pain, your farm should be...
Yup.
It's better if we helped out a decent amount.
Absolutely.
I mean, when you're forced to get Shadow Strike, when you try to go Shadow Strike and it doesn't actually work in the lane, then you feel really bad.
Nightfall, making an early rotation here.
Avalanche from here is gonna toss one back.
X-XS though, gets off the cross.
The Sonic wave onto three.
Terror is the first to fall, but the right first strike applies to X-XS.
It's one more crush before his untimely death.
death so one-for-one favor Aurora yeah they're killing the higher priority
targets at the expense of book charges still think you're very happy with this
I didn't have any follow-up here and I thought no longer borrowed time he bought
the Talisman first this game I feel like that's pretty we haven't seen that this
much this tournament for the Radiance maybe he thought he was about to
potentially die because he had to skill his ult there just wanted to spend
the money could be I mean he was running past it anyway maybe it was just
convenience oh he bought it straight like now with a courier you say no I
think you ran past the secret shop when you got scared right I think so I see
but either way it's also a decent talisman game here against Kazan
Slardar so evasion is an inherently useful stat but most of the time it's
just such an insanely bad value proposition over other items that cost
the same which is you know part of the design of it because this was significantly better.
I think there was a patch when Talisman gave 20% and people are actually buying it first for
Radiance. I don't think that's the same.
Okay, look, this was the first item for WS on Tide.
This is rushing a Shevos. Wow, that's cool.
I thought it was back up. I'll have to pop it here.
Yeah, that's an interesting build on Tide. It's not a great pipe game, so
So what are you blocking? Scream of pain and some Ethershock damage? It doesn't feel great.
You don't really want to buy Crimson untied unless you have to for your team, so.
This is going to turn pretty well here for Extreme. That's some rotations going but they do get scanned.
So Aurora, they're actually going to stick around because WS and his big fat body are here available.
Crack and Shell will activate. First golem of the game looking for a potential ravage.
attempt to run away now with the fatal bombs. They make this a little trickier, good avalanche
to slow them up. The big Sonic Wave WS actually does go out because of it. And now the pressure
is on. Viper strike onto the splardar, Aume joining the fight, gets off the raptor, dance
Lornoff does die with the last slash there. And a knife fall on the run, this is a
little bit awkward for him now because he holds down for 20 seconds. He's going
to get screened, he's going to get blocked, he's going to get clawed. He is likely
going to go down double kill for Amé. This has separated even more across the
map Mira with one last toss, but XSS can't actually finish it. I have to TP out.
Self-preservation. Yeah, so a couple things going on there. I wonder if we can get that
on replay, but Tidehold pulls Ravage the entire time, right? He just never saw a
good opportunity. Then they dive, Abaddon feels like he has to come in and help.
This seems to happen at least once in every nightfall of Abaddon game that
he tepees into health and then dies.
It's really costly for this hero to delay the radiance by this much.
Is that better than what he used to do, which is just ignore and farm?
Not at this point.
I think it's much better to just stay in your lane and get radiance.
I mean, Dota doesn't have absolutes like that.
It's not never TP or always TP kind of thing.
But in that situation, I think with your Tide dead, just cut your losses.
I'm not going to ravage. Don't have enough damage.
I'm going to heal him up.
You got reinforcements on the way. He is surrounded by four members right now.
And this will be the kill on to the birdie.
And the tier one tower.
That one wasn't you.
That was not me.
That also wasn't you.
I'm going to have to use his ult. Fy.
sacrifice here at Sames
does that think this is a worthwhile trade to just
lie for a moment to the wolves for this
well if they get him in the next
minute then for sure
you surely have to put the pressure
keep in mind you didn't force ravage down bottom either
you killed the kez without having to use it so Aurora can easily
TP in the tide as protection
for nightfall
I really
struggle to see how that play made any sense
to be honest yes
jakiro came in to defend but
Of all you're expecting that to happen.
There's no way they're just gonna let their opponent die in the tower.
Okay, of course.
Guys will be walking up.
Finds a couple members of extreme here.
Nothing to say, claims him.
He has recovered his game fully.
His same net worth as Viper now.
After being in the bin.
That's something Tets would say.
Yoink!
My CS now.
Get that.
Oh, take the shot.
It's a shark.
There's a madstone there, you mad young lad.
I never realized the madstone bundle icon is branched.
Yeah, when it pops out initially, it actually gets sometimes highlighted by your mouse, which
is annoying.
That expired now.
Too bad.
You know, it was an idea they weren't sure about, so I'm going to use an iron branch.
I'll go for now.
Is this going to be a dive onto the tide?
That's a tough kill.
But he is all alone.
Hex, he cannot crack and shell off.
Crack and shell does go off into the shackle, though.
Now the ephotic shield, now Nightfall and company are going to try to turn this around.
FY is super dead.
Nightfall ult does go off.
This is the most active I've seen Nightfall in a long time.
This isn't as part of the problem strategically for extremists that every time they initiate like this, there's just so much counterplay.
I've got five, nothing to say, but the ravage coming out, they want to try to focus down the Slardar.
He's broken, no bash for you.
Mornoff takes him out, and Nightfall denies the tower.
This is honestly not that bad though, for Xtreme. I really like the timing.
If you want to do this, this is the time to do it.
They force the rotation to get the ravage out, and in the meantime, Kez feels the wisdom, and you get your own.
So you trade it Slardar for a 14-minute wisdom.
I think that's totally fine, especially considering the tower fell.
So, not all that bad, and of course, most importantly for them, Kez gets to keep farming.
This hero needs multiple items before it's very strong, and Ami with the Battle Fury
is leaning fully into that.
Mostly see one of two builds, it's either the Battle Fury Rush, or it's the Falcon
Blade into Deso, or the Vlads into Deso as we've seen this tournament.
Ami going the Greedier route, which everybody is absolutely shocked about, of course.
seems to be his ammo in every tournament is always how much grief can I get away
with yeah I was gonna ask about this because it feels like most people are
not opting for the battle theory build but it's on me so he will yeah it makes
sense that's that's the reason you can try to rationalize what if you build
us better what he built on jog at Tia
I was trying to land the turret, right?
Just checking.
You love referencing people's failures?
That's not true.
Some people's failures.
So you hate Aum in particular?
I do not hate them.
I hated the juggernaut though.
I knew it.
That's the pick.
It was Aum's idea.
Well, you can't win them all.
Any of them I guess in the case
Nothing to say
What is he building?
He's going for an agonim scepter despite not having Shadow Strike for most of the game
There's two levels right now actually
It's probably going to line up quite well
You're going to max this out at level 14
Level 12 to... 11 to 12 is quite short in terms of experience
So, I imagine, yeah, how far away is he?
2500?
That's probably level 14, maybe gets it a little bit earlier.
It's okay though.
I don't like Shadow Strike level 3's bad or anything.
And of course, this is an insane game for that ability.
They have so many to spell.
So there's going to be screams flying everywhere all the time.
Make sure you get it untied and abadden in every cycle.
Whenever they dispel it, scream out, you cast it again.
I think this is potentially going to be the game-winning pick if Extreme Win.
There will be more about the co-op than the Kez,
and they were willing to obviously sacrifice a bit of start in the mid lane
to accomplish this goal.
So some nice timings here for Aurora.
They get, I mean, the Radiance is not, I guess, a good timing,
but coupling it with a mega-early Sheva.
This has to be the earliest Sheva's of the term.
I got to the last time I seen a Sheva this early ever, actually.
I feel like it's almost always like a third plus item, you know.
Yeah, this is very early for sure.
Recognize how much this is about physical damage from the side of Xtreme with Slardar-Kaz.
I don't mind it. I think... I'm not positive this is the best theoretical item for Tide to buy,
but I can totally see the logic behind it at least.
More curious what he gets next. A Q'd up dagger.
Do you buy the Shard? Because you're against Kaz-Quap Slard? I would imagine so.
I got crimson now for Lorna. I mean this is three big big big items.
Rhyno is talking about this in the preview. I've got to put them to use though.
Ice path, macro fire, Aume. Trying to get off the raptor dance. It's a little bit of HP back and with the help of Rasta, Kaori will be dead.
So Tess shall survive. And we'll find the tiny. Sorry about that. Let me get rid of those real quick. I said that twice.
You should be on- you're closer to the button than me by the way.
Just throw it out there.
We're two different people though.
I don't put as much stock in pressing the falcon button as you do.
You just love listening to the sound of your own voice.
You knew it.
This is a rare exception actually where that's true.
I actually genuinely forgot that was me.
Ha ha ha, I forgot about that.
That was two years ago.
You peeked.
Yeah, a long time ago.
The peek of your casting career was trying to imitate being a bird.
It's very telling.
It's time for me, oh, the KLTP.
Ah, mate, it has to pop the BKB now.
And he will back away.
We'll be fine, but that's a big BKB charge.
His knife ball can run into a bunch of enemies.
His ult has already been used,
but the Viper Shrike from Lorna is going to slow the Slaughter to a crawl,
but an Astonic Wave comes in, pushing Nightfall closer to the Slaughter.
They're going to be able to get both now, likelihood no Nightfall gets away with his life,
but he's going to be met by Kez at the last moment.
Still not enough damage, Nightfall is sticking around,
a Foddick Shield after a Foddick Shield, and he will live.
Wow.
Three for nothing.
That was insane timing on the Foddick Shields for Nightfall, just perfect.
Man, it is to barely stay alive twice in a row.
So, firstly, let's co-opt in against Kaz.
This is such a big thing to pull off.
You're going to get the top tier one for this, you're potentially going to be set up for
the Tormentor because your ulti was propped at a time that we'll prepare it again.
It'll cool down before the Tormentor.
And sure, you don't have Ravage, but I still think you can zone control up there with
Viper, Baton, being this tanky.
Look at an iron list with not being here and the next screen coming up, look at this.
It's gonna get hexed and then this, oh not the next screen, the screen.
That is thoroughly done.
So I'm in screen clutchness and the reason I think about it is it kills Kaz that that
screen didn't kill a padded, otherwise it doesn't get caught afterwards on Ame.
Really really nice from Nightfawn, there goes the Tormenter, 5k lead now.
Oh boy.
Shard to Tiny, who does not have Tree Grab.
Lovely.
He'll get one.
They would much rather have the Jekiro one.
For sure.
We saw for the first time at least I don't...
I can't remember in this tournament or in general, Jekiro buy it last game.
Yeah.
Last time T-R-R played.
He did it again.
First item.
He's done it again.
Wait, is he actually flying it out?
Yeah.
Did I just miss that he's doing this regularly?
I could have sworn he's buying like Glimmer and Solar most of the time.
I mean, sometimes you're just used to getting it off the tormentor cinder and you become accustomed to having it, it's like...
He's addicted to shard.
Yeah, he's getting withdrawals every time it goes to Chinese, so gotta buy it himself.
The last game he bought it, he bought it because he was against two, I think it was two right-clicking cores.
I guess it's somewhat similar here with slaughter kez, maybe?
Wants to get both the slow and the attack speed slow at the same time.
That plus the shield is...
It is good for farming, so it's not like it doesn't pay back at all. That's a very...
Hahahaha!
God, I hope they got that off camera.
He already tumbler's toyed into getting stuck and then he teeped out.
That's...
Can happen to the best of us.
That was a funny mistake, though.
Or maybe he was specifically, ah, I think he was actually trying to find a ward there.
And then since it wasn't there, he just teeped out.
out. I think most players just wait for the tumblers toy again. It's not that long of a cool down.
You can stand there for a bit. Smoke from Aurora. Blink on WS now.
Okay. Pretty strong timing. 4k lead but extreme. They have exited the area for the most part.
Maybe only the roster gets caught off guard. FY.
just fishing in the ponds little does he know actually oh okay see them going
through the gate hello blink into four that happens very least he's got set up
for army up top it's useful information I think it crossed down to his own
triangle now instead. He's pretty farmed here. He is.
He's out of here at BKB, about to finish Deso in about 800.
He absolutely is farmed, but the biggest challenge is still ahead, which is isolating and killing
targets in fights, which doesn't seem to be all that easy for him. One opponent will
be Enviper with Ags, another will be Tide, who is a great hero against Kez. The third
will be a Baton who is Ulti. So really, the only true hit-and-run target you have
of the supports.
Nice, nice path from Kiori.
Now to toss back, nothing to say, gets off the scream though.
Going off, trying to close the gap and the anchor's going to cancel everything out.
This will be a free beat for the extreme side again.
For the Aurora side again.
X-XS, I mean four deaths already.
Lorona's looking very comfortable in the Viper. What a contrast yesterday.
Yeah.
That's just how it goes sometimes. You have bad games, things go wrong early, it compounds.
But clearly when he's in his element and things are going according to plan, he doesn't just fine.
Um, God knows that now.
Yep. He is super strong, and you can see he's immediately queuing up a plate now.
Don't know if he's gonna finish Shiva's, since he already has it on Tide. He could buy AC. I wouldn't mind it.
it on the Viper. I don't see the point in Offlane's Slaughter. Has it ever looked good
in any of the games that we've cast? I was having this conversation with Insania earlier
today where I was like, I wonder if you play Slaughter Offlane if going Blink BKB is the
right choice because it feels like most of the time you're kind of, you're put
in a position where you're mostly just a Blink crush, corrosive haze bot, not
where you can right-click, you know, five times in a fight and really leverage the stuff
that you have.
And what Aiden said was basically, in his eyes, Slaughterer, if you don't enable Slaughterer
to have a good early game, it's just a bad pick.
That was his take.
And the problem with putting it off lane in this patch is, you generally don't enable
your off lane very well.
And he actually got first blood, I think, even on the Jekiro this time, and in
In spite of that, you can see he's way down the charts.
The hero doesn't farm very fast.
I would easily say on average in this patch for me, it's just a better mid hero.
Hands down.
Yep.
Not against Viper, though.
Yeah, that's another problem for sure.
Yeah, I'm with you.
And I was theorizing, okay, well, if Lara is having a bad game in the off-link, can
you maybe build him differently?
Can you go humble the Dominator into Auras, or just straight Auras, and then you run
into the same problem again?
Well, if that's what you're gonna do, you farm slow with the other guys and do it.
Viper strike applied to him right now as well as Nir finds a separate target in the form of a support Fy.
Blocks himself and the Viper in the Serpent Ward.
Lornoff doesn't really mind too much.
Am I now on the run? Nightfall.
High tailing.
Gonna get clipped by the ice pack.
Avatar as well. Am I gonna have to BKB?
the burning of the fire is enough nightfall with the radiance it seems the
absolute greed to not be kbtp earlier Tommy really wanted to keep that charge
this is why nightfall that's something to say about it this is why I do it he
says I was right the whole time so we're gonna see here the opening no
most dive into ult, you have to just hold this engage for now.
It's tempting here probably to pop the QV and actually fight offensively into Viper with
the War Trap, but if it weren't for Aegis, they would have gone for this obviously.
But, let's call it quits.
Probably the right choice, but then you just have to make sure you get out on Qiz afterwards.
Nothing to say.
TP not happening, toss at the last moment, Avalanche as well.
It might be, but it doesn't have blink, but I'm gonna try to chase him to the
ends of the earth doesn't have many resources to work with. Blink into the tree and it's
going to burn to the radiance.
Yeah, I'm Kaylee Ferrara. He was probably expecting that he was getting ganked from the gate,
but maybe if you blink south you have a chance of getting another blink off. Cornering
yourself is guaranteed death. You don't have TP. You're never getting out of there.
very solid now for Aurora. So 28 minutes coming up, see if they want to try to steal
Wisdom or just say whatever since it's the fourth one. And the guy on your screen
now will have a lot of work to do together with QWAP. This is the issue
with Slaughter. Games like this I just think the hero has a natruous win rate.
You have very little to bring to the table. You can't truly frontline
because you're not tanky enough since you don't have auras. You don't truly
kill anyone because you're not farmed enough. So you're effectively corrosive
And once you're in this position, could you have been here with some Aura's then you could offer that to the team.
If you go like Blink, Blink pipe in this game instead of Blink BKB, then at the very least you're providing that to the fights.
What is Lornaf buying with that plate? Are you going AC or something?
I'm assuming. I mean you just need armor. He buy Lotus. It's also good against Shatter Shaman and Warlock as solid item purchase.
But considering he hasn't queued it up yet, I'm wondering if he is weighing the two options.
Well, support found. X-X-S crushes absolutely nothing.
He's going to get Yul's. Ame actually wants to fight.
He's a golem coming out from Ex Nova as well with a fatal Bonds.
Mira takes the tumble as a result, and now the nightfall for Ame.
Successful. Learned his lesson.
One for one.
He was just happy that there was finally a corrosive-paced hero.
He could attack a couple of times.
Not a favorable trade anyway, though.
anyway though. 25 seconds on the Aegis they're not really going to use it but they've expanded
their lead.
And now the pipe untied is nice. I agree with it a lot more now. We were talking about earlier
that it wasn't that good of a pipe game because there wasn't enough magic damage.
Well when QW goes agged this becomes a viable build path for the game. So I think WS
having that is. A good choice?
Am I working on butterfly? Understandable. Against a bat and viper. Feels like the issue
here is not really necessarily staying alive. It's being able to go on it to begin with.
And I don't really know if any itemization from Kes is going to solve that problem.
It's more gonna come from
good movements. They need a pipe, don't they?
That's what I was saying. It would have been pretty good on Slaughter, no?
But I don't think you could go blink BKB and then pipe, then it's also like...
That's just a Slaughter problem, but...
This is 100% a pipe game. Somebody has to buy it, surely. It's like all magic.
I feel the same way. You've got Glimmer on Warlock. He's going ghost after an axe.
I fall, finds himself a queen of pain, macro-pire with the ice path, and if he does blink out,
he's got more fire damage on his way out.
Oh, that reminds me of that patch we had for a week, where Cinderbrew had synergy with fire spells.
Oh, yeah.
Fire damage.
Fire element.
Yeah, they tried for one week and realized, okay, Pokémon does not fit in Dota.
Except the cute little carriers and the hideous centaurs then, of course.
Hideous, please.
Yeah, it is. Absolutely. Grotesque. Out of place.
If you find couriers cute and cuddly, then it should be the same for Centaur.
No, that's not the same thing.
Especially when his head's popping out.
I think it should be a Centaur set that makes him into an actual horse.
How about that? That when he pulls the card, it actually feels
lower accurate at least.
I'd be into that too. I mean, nothing can beat the courier, though, is the problem.
Aurora, another tormentor for them.
There's Shagbark, and that's Fentaur Blacksmith guy.
I forget what he's even there for.
Why does Shagbark come out?
Those like Prime Cyborg Mad Patch Breakdown.
TI2, TI3 era.
That was like 2013, right?
Yeah, something like that.
It's a classic.
Whenever, when every week or two,
Cyborg Mad had an update of data mining the files.
That was great.
Oh, it was a different time.
Christmas every two weeks.
What a year that was.
Well, it's on both sides.
They still want to fight this fight.
them getting this Tormentor. Ken is already at half health. Has the BKB.
We'll try to get some damage out of that. We're a big sonic wave with the fatal bombs.
This will lure off dead Raptor to follow. WS finally uses his Ravage to try to apply
some pressure here, but Ame will die to Nightfall, who is perfectly healthy at the moment.
Now it's a 3 versus 4. So he'll be able to kill off nothing to stay as well.
So now nightfall is just everywhere at this point X note with a glimmer cape. Oh, he has a gem
He needs to not attack it TP he's fine close to a yule from mirror just barely out of range
They do
Honestly get a pretty good result. Yeah, all things consider that extreme three for three. You're far behind
so this is a
In terms of economy gonna favor you always you gain a thousand gold there
But you do lose your two big cores, so they don't necessarily progress as much as they would like
And the big, the writing on the wall here is I think this game is going to be really tough
when Nightfall starts dealing actual heavy damage.
That's the one thing they've still got going for them is that during their BKBs they can
still get all their stuff off.
Or when Nightfall gets one, maybe two more items of this little blade will be a problem
for the Kills and it's on the way.
Asher is already completed, just needs to fly it out.
And now he finds FY.
Little easy jungle pick for him.
God, like, 10, 1, and 5.
Yeah, beastly.
All we have to say is that Abaddon hasn't looked that good
and I've fallen.
Yep.
He crushes.
I think Aurora's going to win this game.
Looking good.
Let's see.
All right, all right.
You heard it here first.
Time to shine, buddy.
Yep.
I mean, would you say going Sheeva's as a first main item on Tidehunter is greedy?
No.
You don't think so?
I don't think so because the reason he bought it was to, it was a hybrid item for both
fighting and farming.
It wasn't specifically I'm just gonna keep farming because then there's other stuff
you can buy, right?
It's greedy, the way I'm picturing that is because it takes so long to complete.
I see what you're getting.
As opposed to getting something a little bit more value to help you get to the mid-game
more safely.
Yeah, I just, I mean, when did he get it in a 16 or something?
I don't remember.
I think based on the projection of this game when you look at the radiant lineup
is not, they're gonna run at us in a 10, right?
I think Kez doesn't work like that, so I think it was pretty safe to have
a slightly slower start with a big payoff.
He's got a ULZ now, Annick.
Ghost Scepter from here with the second ULZ there too.
Going Wind Waker untied.
Interesting way of dealing with the Kez isolate hero
and kill them.
Strategy, let's see if we go refresher first.
That's queued up as well.
I think this option's open.
I fall in the pit, 13 seconds away from Roche.
Both sides smoked up.
Both sides, I'm sure, are aware that they are smoked up.
X-XS already using the crush, pops the smoke.
WS gets the anchor and nothing to say who will BKB Blank.
That's a pretty big deal, and then you just go Roche.
Yep.
It has to be here either. It really sucks.
That's why the Shard is so good on Tide against mobile heroes.
Yeah, it's pretty good.
You've forced them, you've spent 1,400 gold to force them to use their 4K item.
And your cooldown is way shorter too.
Now Aegis on Lauren off and this should be this is a banner as well
He's got Scotty
And he's got shard so he can actually be the one hitting the buildings very nice choice here
Let's pay attention to extreme so
Kaz has the butterfly. I mean he's doing a lot of damage. Let's say Tannock not too far away
Then nothing to say is going for Shiva's but that is far pretty far and
Then the sludar as we like to call him xxs
By we win the suraction slacks. Yeah, AC very far away as well. Yeah has the agonist scepter though
So we'll be how does that work in?
While broken I guess
Hmm like obviously the puddle should still be giving you everything well broken. I would assume
Yeah, I don't but can you create puddles while broken?
Well, C-Born Sentinel is
breakable
Which is the innate that gets massively upgraded from the axe
So I'm assuming you just have none of the effects while broke. Wow, that's a pretty hard counter that if it works
Like you're saying anchor
Heads
Eyes path to follow
He's chronic wave onto a single hero. They really want to keep us BKB intact. Yeah
Satanic will be a help for him
But it still is a matter of...
It's gonna give him some staying power,
but I still think he can die in a chain-stun.
Ravage, Avatar, and Basher from Abaddon into a Vistal.
It's not easy.
You've got the BKB on Shaman to try to get a guaranteed lockdown.
He also has the Hex Breaks, that's what we need to keep in mind.
That talent is very good against Abaddon and Viper.
So if they can find the opening, they have the damage to kill these heroes.
It's one of the hardest counters to a bat in the entire game, because it breaks and silences when you hex them.
That's a very small amount of time to get the kill.
You have Kaz Slarnaar. It's possible.
And now the high ground for Lornoff. Like you said, ages for two and a half.
half. He is packing a punch. It still remains to be the sole slate mail, so it hasn't upgraded
to anything. Keep you from XXS wants to join a party. His tower is going to be dead though.
Notice I've used already. I'm going to try to wrap around on him on the other side, coming
in from the north potentially. I thought Achille was really good here. Just keeps blocking
a lot of the damage and giving him regen. So he can... I'm not sure if they spotted
him now they will grappling claw and he gets gone on by Knifel the basher hits
him right there sonic wave onto a couple of heroes I'm at the BKB now Knifel
still relatively healthy Lornaf still at the ages and FY pops his BKB how the
hell did he get back looks like he's gonna fall first though Knifel getting
pursued now by the catch Knifel getting extremely low he's actually gonna get
brought down will cost him his life as the ages about to be consumed by back
from the Tidehunter though, from Aurora, along with Fy's Rasta.
Lorna outstanding his ground next to these wards.
Here comes WS with the Ravage turning this around.
XXS and Fy bite the dust.
And that's 80 seconds per kez on the deck as well with no buyback,
so they can do some considerable damage here.
I think this day can be pretty annoying though with these Shadow Strikes.
That was such a good fight for Extreme,
and then they just missed the play call, right?
You got everything you needed and then some the tide buys back and they stick around and they wanted to keep fighting so
Just clearly didn't keep track of the fact that ravage wasn't used. Yeah
He buys back comes in I think when you force that buyback if you go back to base you're super happy
But they bit off more than they can chew and now the end result is kind of a draw
with Aurora
Having plenty time to get something much bigger than the fight itself
Even Mira is just one single right-click as a support, still doing considerable damage to these buildings.
So between him and the two dragon, Viper creatures, whatever you want to call them, they can take these buildings super fast.
Give me two sets.
Yep.
So the most part, I'm not sure if they'll get this range, but as we established, they're not that important.
They wouldn't have lost either of these, I think, if they hadn't stuck around for that tie-by-back.
Yeah.
That was really important for Aurora, that they managed to set that up.
Yeah, that's definitely true.
That's the risk reward thing you take as Tide there.
there I think most teams just let Viper die twice they're like all right I think
most things don't buy back on Tidehunter actually yeah even without post control
so you see this opening this is pretty solid they kill Kiori instantly they get
to break onto the tide which was almost able to take him out immediately
now Queen of Pain is doing considerable damage with these fatal
to Nasty Combo.
He has survived long enough.
Another fight breaking out, though,
despite the 16k lead for Aurora
and two lanes of Rax at their advantage.
BKB jumping, Stonic Wave onto 2,
but there's thumb lock right now onto the Kaz.
He keeps getting bashed. He keeps getting destroyed.
And finally, the Raptor Dance brings him back
to a respectable amount of HP,
but now he's cornered himself.
He has a load of supply, but it matters not.
Aume is dead.
and that potentially could do it as FY dies yet again not sure if they'd be able
to catch up to nothing to say they get the bash but he still has the blank TP but
as we've seen with the amount of building damage that Aurora can do they
could get the megas now they have ravaged down to that wasn't even available
oh yeah right fighting into ravage without Kaz is gonna be borderline
impossible this has to be megas not a ton of men on lauren off to continue the
right clicks on the buildings but like timing this for the work then I fall
blinking and a pistol it gets reflected thanks to the lotus ravage comes out
though they still don't have quite enough damage or do they yes nothing to
stay dead again no buyback available as they're just gonna call it here gg's
These is Aurora taking number one.
Nicely played as they bounced back after yesterday, at least in this first game.
The last two days for Aurora have nothing great, looking like the front runners of everything really for quite a while.
They get kicked down a bit, but they get up again.
They're never going to keep them down, shame. That's a good song.
Yeah, extreme. I'm not sure why I was expecting that. I feel like this is a three game series,
probably. Obviously depends, but I think they're not that far away skill wise. Aurora is kind
of up and down. They've been, as we've talked about, they've had a great tournament for
the last couple days. A little shake. I mean, yesterday, very shaky.
Yeah, it didn't feel like when it comes to the Teamfighter institutions that Aurora
significantly outplayed extreme gaming, so they're kind of more one of chocolate
to like just out-strategizing them. I think the drafting turned out very well. The lanes went
solidly. They have this insane mid-game powerspike with their tanky heroes against Woff Slarder and
Kiz. That's exactly what you want to have. And you can see FY became a bowling pin. This game 12
deaths. It just, he has almost half the deaths of his entire team on one singular position.
4 Hero just got rolled the entire game there on his ass. He still did more damage to Slaughter though, so offlane Slaughter.
Not making a great K-pop though so far.
Yeah, let's not see that hero on the offlane again, Sheeper.
Aurora taking this game number one, our commentary team thinks there's a high chance for a game three in this one.
So we'll talk all about it and also see what Extreme did well, what they can build on,
but first let's see what Aurora did well in this game, in particular, Jenkins' day to fit up.
Yeah, I mean, amazingly played by Aurora.
I am very impressed. Every game, it's like, you see it in one game
and it seems like an anomaly where they have one of these, like, risky buy vats
into winning the game off of it.
but so many times you see them be so patient at using their spells and like
positioning together as a team where in this game it was WS he died without
using Ravage without using anything but he had buyback and he buys back and hits
like a big Ravage and I think it was this fight actually where he he does the
buyback but it's an interesting way to win games of Dota because you hear
about this in like the Hyper late game right but they will do buybacks at
like 18 minutes in win the fight off of that and then secure the entire game based off of that one fight
It's super super risky
But it also buybacks that i'm not time they they're less
They are less expensive and therefore less risky. They're not late game
No, sure, but you're the the timer is the same right like you're you're getting 25 times
You're getting punish more relative to what your respawn timer if you die, yeah
Yeah, and then also gold is more valuable early
Yeah, because of what you can turn it into. It's just it's just not something that you see and I said this in the green room
Like I realize this particular instance is not that crazy. He bought back. He didn't want to use a shit ravage
That makes sense, but it's like this is like the third or fourth game
I've seen this happen were one or two Aurora cores buyback, which is very risky
And then they win that fight that would have otherwise gone the other way. It's really cool to see
Yeah, I mean, I think they they played a very solid game
And I think what stands out to me more about this game we highlighted during the draft, but I think it is the draft
I think they just they significantly
Have a meta understanding advantage over a stream
I think this case this case being given and then picking the title 18
We see it keep happening and I does not lost a single time from what I've seen this matchup is not okay
People cannot keep giving it because it just sabotages your entire game whenever this happens
And Aurora knows that they instantly see the kids they instantly pick the tide right? Why doesn't extreme know this?
That's a good question and I think that's why Aurora wins this series because they understand the matter of the game
What are going on in this game? Sorry the series, excuse me the series of minutes that were in this game
This book
It's all good. Yeah, I mean it's funny after all of Jenkins prays all I
Can think is that a war as game was just way easier to play the
extremes I
I prepared the segment before the series because I was worried that both teams
We're gonna get like Falter out of the tournament because they can't fight each other.
And for my segment for this game, I want to show how much easier it is for Aurora to fight.
So this is extreme, trying to go on a Tidehunter at 13 minutes, and that was all of their heroes, except for the Kez.
And they're just gonna turn, they get the kill on Shadow Shaman and they're gonna end up cleaning a few heroes up later.
But that just shows how hard it is for them to force any objective into Aurora.
Like they popped a golem, the Shadow Shaman's awards were already on cooldown from trying to take the tower earlier.
WS had just teeped into the tower and killed those.
And here's how much easier it is for Rura.
They just walk at them, Ravage, Kikuro, plus Viper.
And this is them going on Nightfall.
Like, that's one bad target, the Tidehunter.
And this is their second bad target.
I had actually been criticizing the Crimson Guard from Lornoff backstage, but it absolutely owned here.
as Nightfall manages to survive barely, even Aame coming in to try to finish him off,
and it ends up being, I believe, a 3 for 0 in favor of Aurora,
and then this is the contrast.
Blink, Anchor, he has to BKB, pre-rush for the side of Aurora,
and I know they're up by 12k at this point in the game,
but I really can't emphasize enough that the draft just says how much easier this game is to play for them.
play for them, their spells naturally counter the initiation and the damage, like you mentioned
the tide just shrugs off the damage from the kez.
We did see on the night shift one tide lose to kez.
Really?
It was liquid though.
I don't remember who they were playing against.
It was a team that they were better than of course.
Meaning like they'd won all their games.
Nick won.
My MiGae went, I think Vlad's the one.
He went a very early silver edge.
I think he was against like another maybe Viper.
Yeah, some others.
Oh, it was against Falcons because they had tied off lane in the bristle mid. Yeah
But that one doesn't count does it was it not the one that was a very easy series for them anyway
Cuz they're standing and played dough to the but they missed 14 spears in a row
There's a reason that was a tie-down or you didn't miss the spears that game
You missed for a private is I'm just saying that like
The only when we've seen it work is when you itemize hard to counter the tide on her like I'm almost emphasizing
How bad that matchup is yeah as you have to like inconvenience yourself with a silver edge
Yeah, it is not good. But on the same note, like I think Aurora played very well around their draft advantage.
I think they were very comfortable bringing a lot of numbers of things, like in the Clippy show to them in the top tower.
They're just, they're chilled bringing in much like five heroes there.
Because they know if they just don't give up too much ground and they get some kills here and there, eventually the heroes will kick in.
And so they're vibing and they're not, they don't feel the need to spread out too much.
No, there's no pressure on them.
Yeah, exactly. And they're just kind of making nice natural moves. They're getting kills here and there and they're reacting.
I think that's like a big thing for this team historically and nightfall teams is they really like to defend towers.
Like this nightful guys like I'm here to come to the tower come to the tower to the tower to the tower
You know and they come and they fight the tower and I think in this game worked out very well for them
And I think especially with all the tormentor craft people talk about right you kill these towers with a tormentor you take it
It's when you have a demo like I think it suits them very well
And and maybe part of the reason why they've been you know doing so well. I just like to
Add to note that that was not an exaggeration of how nightfall sounds in his game. So that was that was verbatim
Yeah, that was a very accurate impression. He's
He's a conscious stream speaker.
He just speaks whatever is conscious.
And a pinger as well. He pings a lot.
The number one pings.
He's conscious of doing everything at the same time.
So he also has to do everything at the same time.
I also want to highlight that we have baked cookies.
We are not allowed to touch them all.
We're not allowed to eat them as per the rules.
And you cannot touch that batch yet because that's still soft.
But this one, you know, this is...
That looks like a firm foundation over there.
one yeah those are a little bigger we can't I think I think we need to go
even bigger for foundation square I just want to point out no I think you can't
bring square cookies cuz they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna push you
need square like a pan like little dudes yeah like a brownie squares we do
have we do have a second batch cookies to make oh we do with a different
recipe oh and we're gonna get that I think anytime can I eat this one no
You're not allowed to eat if you want to be disqualified we eat. What is that bullshit? Oh
My goodness another box appeared. Why did not I was blind to the box? Alright, let me the next
Okay, so these are chocolate chip cookies
these cookies that are upcoming is
chocolate cookies
So it's not the chip chocolate chip just all the chips are cookie with no chips
No, there should be like potato chips in chocolate chip cookies different
No, what it could just be a chocolate cookie with chips in it
No, just a cookies. There's an egg in this one. Look at that one egg
Why didn't we have an egg in these ones because the recipe didn't require it?
We're gonna start making the dough while you guys are gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back with game number two
The battle is over.
Let's go!
Love it on!
Now I finally found someone to build my world around.
Just can't believe how cold it feels to have you alive
Take a bite to lonely days
I can tell so many things
I know for sure that you're the one that I treat the eyes
I'm waiting all the time
And all my life, I've done it with just the two of us
Think about the two of us
Together with you
Till there was no meaning
I hope someday the things
I hope someday the things
I just never knew
But the two of us
Together with you
Together with you
I guess my lucky star brought you to me, cause there you are
And like a shining light, your love has let me see
A world of happiness, but even more than this
I realize the meaning of the word for me
I waited all my life
I waited all my life for the dream
There was a dream
I waited for me baby
It's time to relax tonight I want to be where the party's coming
Make our time to know you well
No need to ask, the night is ours
Girlfriend, time to leave your stress behind
I like the way you move your thing
I wanna see you do some more
Any more words that you describe
The feeling that comes over me
Cause I know it's time to dance
All you gotta do tonight is donate me tonight
Won't you get into the groove
It's a perfect kind of night to make our dreams come true
So come with me, you wanna let those kids behind you
Let this party go on, come on, come on
Dance, dance, dance tonight, dance tonight away girl
Tonight tonight we fall out, tonight tonight is all
Dance, dance, dance tonight, dance tonight away girl
Tonight tonight we fall out, tonight tonight is all
Dance, dance, dance tonight
You don't ever stop now
This night, you fall in love
You don't ever stop now
So baby tonight
Won't you get it?
There's a real love
There's a perfect kind of love
To me, touching some truth
So, yeah, baby
You wanna leave those kids behind
This party's gonna get a lot better
I'm so into you, girl
Can't you feel the groove still in tune?
Can't you feel the groove, stop the music
Can't you feel the groove still in tune?
It's dance, dance, love
It's dance, dance, love
It's love, it's all love
It's love, it's all love
You're gonna see that scene.
I
Welcome back here watching DreamLeague Season 28 and we're in the middle of our third series
of the day.
We got ourselves Extreme Gaming taken on Aurora and if you were present for the post game
of that game, number one, it's a very simple fix for Aurora to force out the third game
to the series because it was apparently heavily draft-related.
This time around, surely they won't be trapped by Aurora and all the traps they lay in their draft.
We'll see what's coming our way. Extreme is going to be dire this time around.
They're going to be first big, so not overall last big.
Last game, they had overall last big, they went for the Queen of Pain.
Didn't end up working out the way they wanted it to and was already kind of a questionable pick to begin with.
I've worked to believe my puddle.
It was nice for their draft damage-wise that we saw yesterday they picked the Fatal Bonds plus QW.
It is a lot of damage and it gives you strong team fight,
But picking it in the vibrant lane was just, yeah, it's tough.
It's a tough matchup.
Don't make it squish.
You've got to do the mixing with proper.
Do it with proper?
No pushing.
Why are you pushing?
I'm mixing it.
No, mixing is squeezing it because you've
got to melt the butter even more so.
That's why you make it so small.
Because your warmth up your hand
is going to melt the butter and then it's going to turn
into.
Smells good.
Oh, I bet.
It's going to turn into dough and, I don't know,
something scientific happens or something because the whole molecular structure changes anyway
We got ourselves a frog coming out and frogs be very successful. I like the frog. I like watching him. He's a cute guy
He's also very strong. Do you think you'll ever have a female persona?
Maybe it'll be a frog. You could be the princess and a frog. Yeah, that'd be so fun
I'll be that all day
Disney club. I frogs there's no female frog as a toad
No, that's not true. But Largo is a toad. I'll say that yeah, I believe so
It's not as fun for a clear performance. Yeah, but otherwise why doesn't he have a jumping skill?
He just really gets haste. Yeah, but only when it gets haste that I think a frog would also run like he jumps like every time
He strings the guitar. He's like yeah, he's kind of
I think it's something
Like you get my stupid thing that's what he looks like when he's doing it
Can you do the gift of me that's that's what he does when he's all day
What we have seen is the Phoenix obviously be very successful, especially in the hands of Kori
Here he has been
Yeah, I am maybe I shouldn't be surprised
But he has like, you know three of his best heroes with two backups and I feel like he gets his hands on one of those
three main heroes so frequently people shouldn't even bother to try banning
really not like the point it's it's too hard like you can't use three bands on
jacquero phoenix and warlock it's like it's a bit absurd to be banning fives
that everyone plays I guess you have to accept the fact that this guy's kind of
lucky that his best heroes are in the like in the matter right now maybe it
made them need the message maybe is this something where you think those
are the only three heroes he really specializes in or is he a like a
patch player that plays through heroes per patch you know what i mean no i think
he's specifically like warlock like phoenix is most played here i thought i know
that part i know that part he also really like warlock okay so he actually is
just quite fortunate he got a little bit fortunate yet he also plays other stuff
but it's just not the same though it's just been shadow demon and pugman jacquero
and everybody's playing those yeah for this is very crumbly that means you're
butcher is not melted yet so you gotta continue molding mate watch your hands
Cold if you want us to take over we can all go relax
Is this for master idea the same as it is against like what we saw with the s7 razor where you just like toss them up in
The air so they're just gonna like ignore the Largo. I don't know
I call cap on this counter a little bit
I feel like if you don't put this dude right up in the air immediately
then I feel like he's gonna strum and kill all your pandas and
He's also gonna make like your teammates mouth by to the pandas like to me
this is a lot of split damage and
And everybody's idea about Largo is you want to burst here, you want to kill them fast.
And Phoenix Brew do anything besides kill heroes quickly, right?
They kill you over time, they play long fights, damage over time.
So I don't think it fits the theme of what's good against Largoba very well, personally.
It seems a little weird to me.
But if he's just up in the air, who cares if he's alive?
The thing is, like, they have Shadow Shaman now, and I think the general protocol
against Brewmaster is you don't even, like, burst things, like, whatever.
You don't care.
But if you kill the Wind Panda, as soon as he splits, the hero is, like, massively
diminished.
easy to kill the wind panda too because it's not pkb and it's squishy so like
they have shaman and if shaman's in position I think as soon as this guy
splits you just blink hacks the wind panda and then it will legit just die in one
time. To be honest it doesn't largo as well can he not lick him and that does a
gazillion damage and then wind panda is at least 25%
18. Yeah I think when he licks him and drop the frogs on him and strums like
one time while the guy's hex I think the wind panda might just die yeah I
think that that is like the ideal get because you're right like you can't
put him in the air in theory but it's not like some black and white like
extreme counter play you know well and of course his power spike comes when his
axe comes in and we know Aurora sometimes like to try and play fast so I
would like us also to keep an eye on if they are able to do so with the draft
that they are getting for themselves as they get the tiny again brewmaster
Phoenix that will be actually they do like playing Phoenix vision 5 as is
good we'll see what other hero they'll pick with this one as it should
be there plus four right here from here yeah yeah shit actually I lost all
as tiny's from here obviously of course but they could actually you know what
they could leave it ambiguous I think tiny is likely gonna be four I think they
pick you cuz they see a warlock and they just want to drag waves against warlock
landing in some sort of pain and I forgot the syrup that's why how much
how many stirrups was it sorry there's three tables three tables but is it
the same recipe no three to four tables okay we'll do the three that three
When you have stirrup that's not Canadian. Do you feel like it's like inferior?
Absolutely. This is well Swedish syrup surely they have good stuff here, right?
You think so?
They have maple trees here. It's important to know that they like black liquorice here.
They import the trees?
Oh, that's their favorite liquorice syrup.
Big red flag.
No, no, no. Their flag is not red. That's the Canadian flag you're thinking of.
That's true.
They've got a big leaf on your flag.
That's a bug!
That's a bear.
the very good weaver game
it is very good
typically considered the hardest counter to brewmaster in the carry position
i can vouch for that
yeah it is uh... it is not a fun matchup for panda boy
yeah it's just because all of the panda stuff is slow
and then weaver
has a gucci
and uh...
weaver's main issue in lane if any is sustained
and so warlock very strong
obviously very strong laner in general but any carry that
is able to be aggressive and is only really hold off by sustained issues
will naturally pair very well with warlock
you know generally you'll think of like p a's and kez and ursa like he's kind of
like run into melee guys but weaver
he kind of plays like a melee guy
like he obviously css is like a ranged guy but he likes to connect to you on
the side of the lane
it kills with level two potentially with the bugs
so it's gonna be quite difficult i think for tight hunter or tight hunter for
tiny
two cut creeps. You're now dealing with warlock spamming you down and then weaver is going
to connect with level 2 bugs. So I'm going to keep an eye out for that. He might die
a few times assuming it's Mira. But also that matchup gets made way better for Tiny later
because over the years they've been nerfing weaver bugs a lot. Before if you got like
yules or something like that, it didn't do anything to the bug other than just
prevent you from getting hit for the time being, but now it just removes bugs. So
Tiny support has a nice option to keep himself alive against Weaver.
Weaver's an interesting hero though because in the past you'd consider items like Lincoln's
and Scotty like these kind of stat based items that keep you from getting bursted.
But it seems like the only real build for him nowadays is just like four damage items.
You're so ready on that now.
Oh yeah.
I'm not thinking for on me.
I'm good.
I feel like this hero just buys four damage items like Satanic and a big give you.
That's what happens with Weaver.
Exactly the damage items are sometimes it's Mjolnir sometimes it's Deso
There's like a Daedalus and MKB nullifier, but I feel like the hero really only has one natural build path
It's actually yeah, I mean you you don't want to fall behind a damage on the hero because if you aren't killing people quickly then
You do get your old force and then you're a bit of a sad little dude. That's too big. Oh, we want the base
Yeah, yeah, that works though
This time round because they didn't run as much as I thought so you have to make it flat and not thick because if you make
A thick it will be soft and we won't solid base
hard face
All right, we got a storm coming out embers already banned
Void spirits doing
You want to play tiny against this one now right?
Ween of pain shiver. Okay. Oh this time on the side of Aurora, maybe
Learning a chance about I'm not a but I'm not opposed to it. Yeah, pretty good chance. I
I would not like voids for here. Yeah, there's your coxons called Jenkins
Bust Eva. I like extreme gaming strap better this game. That's my thought. Why?
There's a reason their teamfight is gonna do just fine
I think against Aurora this time the point of entry is not nearly as difficult
They have a lot of damage on both sides and then there's kind of like more reliable lockdown from extreme. I'd say with the with the
the battle shaman, but all I know for this game is that since there's so much damage
on both sides, it's very likely that it's going to snowball very quickly one direction
or the other. Both teams have good roast potential, good tormentor potential, so I think whatever
team is owning by 17 minutes is quickly going to run away with this game. And if neither
team is owning, then we're going to see a bunch of fights around this stereotypical
objectives. Quinn?
Thank you, Brian.
I mean, through me, I think Aurora has much better fighting around mid, and Storm vs. Queen
is a pretty difficult matchup for Storm.
So to me, if Extreme can stabilize and keep mid chill, keep their offline chill, let Largobah
do his farming thing, and they just sort of vibe it out, then I think if you get
to that mid game period, then Extreme, they strum the guitar and they're chilling.
So to me, it's a matter of can they make it to that mid game?
Dang it.
Oh, I agree with you guys totally. I don't think the Largo has been properly answered. I think we're going to I think we're going to
Three games here. I don't think extreme is gonna go down
Easy, you know if they say Jenkins, there's always a game, too
Why don't you never let me live that fucking down Brian?
I don't know. I feel like this is the panel now
There you go, very cozy. We look like a bar shop quartet
I've got the recipe!
I have the recipe!
Ahhhh....
I don't know how to do it...
You want to send it over and a singing song to the casters?
Shannon's a really great singer actually.
off the sunspan and cinderella
wow
best quarter whatever that's called shop quartet in the building
well done gentlemen and lady
as we get into game number two of aurora versus extreme
we get some new heroes cinderella
get out of the way of the camera
How's it going, Gary?
You're fired!
I know!
Come on!
Production is ready, you're fired!
No!
Yeah, get back in, Nettie.
Yeah, that's good.
Yo, can you do a...
Stick out your tongue as far as you can in the shot.
Oh yeah, that looks great.
I didn't try you to buy it, but that's great.
Yeah, okay.
There's different ways to do it, I guess.
Welcome to a game...
...to, indeed.
Um, you heard the panel, Shannon?
Maybe you did. It's up to you whether you want to listen to the most glitchy ever.
I love this music. It's nice.
Yeah, it's nice. Very soothing.
What do you think when you look at this just instinctually?
Because I'm a bit torn, actually, on this one.
I have a hard time not vibing with Largo, but at the same time,
this Aurora lineup looks really good to me.
Largo, huh?
Largo.
You don't think they have enough damage?
Burst, you got... you got Tiny, you got Qwap, you got Ursa.
Yeah.
We got this bear.
I think so too.
That's why I'm not so sure for Extreme here is many of the Largo games we've seen, the
hero just reaches that mid-game point and seems too troublesome to deal with.
But I actually feel like Aurora have a lot of damage.
Tiny Qwap Ursa, in addition they have Sunray, which is actually quite good against
Largo.
He's gonna have a lot of max health when he starts getting his build up and running, and
that's gonna do significant damage.
And if all else fails, cyclone him.
Yep.
Take him out of the fight.
This seems to be the plan here from Aurora, with the way they picked this brewmaster.
They saw nothing else.
They must think the hero's good against Largo, they have no reason to pick it in that
slot.
Last thing to invite here.
Very, very exciting 1v1 support battle.
sides draw. I mean how long is the the tornado like six seconds? I think something like that
yeah. I actually don't remember by heart. It might have been changed with the new one.
I mean in theory it sounds interesting but in practice we'll just have to see. I feel
like sometimes people can overcook and the thing that has been the best counter to
Largo so far this tournament is just banning him. That is a good way to counter most
heroes to the fair though. Yes. I'm just saying we've seen teams try and fail. The only teams
that have maybe, I mean there's a couple teams, notably Liquid I think is one of them that
just for whatever reason can't play this hero. Yeah they played it to ban loss and then
it was ignoring game two and three I think. Between Liquid and Miles. Yeah but if both
sides can play it then you know banning might just be a little bit easier. How good
What is Largo this game? You take off Fire Spirit, take off Shadow Strike, which could be a bad thing with Aggs.
Take off Overpower, which is really good when you can nail that.
It gives Largo a fighting chance and lane against Ursa to have that interaction. K-Roy is actually in big trouble here.
Frog Stomp's gonna force the verify the Licky Maru for two. X-X-S. One more right...
Licky evades it, though!
That's unfortunate for...
Licky Maru sounds like an interesting skin coming.
A set for Ricky.
Just a big tongue or what?
The big invisible tongue.
And instead of backstab, it licks you.
Well, a chameleon could make sense for Ricky.
Just blends into his horizons, that's why he's invisible.
Very loose interpretation of that word, but...
We're in a fantasy world after all.
Since Harambe died, nothing is real.
Yeah, that's true.
And he rests in peace.
Don't worry, he's gonna have
great living memories in there. We have a living tribute to him in our upcoming game, of course.
To go along with Abraham Lincoln and Cleopatra, the great leaders of the world.
I was just going to say the destructive trio.
I don't think we've cast a game with XXS playing Froggy. Have you seen-
I mean, don't think so either.
How good is he with this hero?
That's a good question. We're about to find out.
I mean, his spellcasting in lane so far has been solid.
You can tell a little bit about his experience based on that, but he is bronze tier.
And now Sheever's going to say, he doesn't have Dota Plus!
And maybe she's right. She's looking at me like I said.
I think it was a very good impression, actually. She was impressed with me.
She's like, wow, that's my real voice, actually.
But maybe he does not have Dota Plus. So I don't know.
Let's see
He's getting low, Lornaff right now, sitting on 18 and 2, 18 and 5 for nothing to say
Ex Nova coming in with a Shadow Word
Hello, the Butler arriving
This is a very efficient fuel
Level 1 Shadow Word, 150 healing for 110 mana, not great
Level 2, twice as good for 10 more mana, almost twice as good
That's why Warlock, you almost always see in Frodo, they go 1-2
It's because the second point is just so insane value, has to fairly far there.
He does.
It's the water though.
Stay hydrated, Lornoff.
Uh, nothing to say as well, of course.
Everybody's right.
Watch for Mira.
Lornoff gets his water as well.
Mira's level one.
Yeah, he hasn't given a shit about getting levels in this tournament, we've noticed.
Uh, yeah, I don't know if that's good in this game.
I feel like Tiny actually has quite a bit of work to do.
He's your only catch.
Well, he levels up on that ward.
All right, he's back.
back to two this is about where we're used to seeing him he's faced oh he's got the cost
oh no range yeah
oh he would be in range there
not sure that would have been a kill anyway
might of course it's gonna be the bot lane kori uh did he mean to cancel that dive
because he gets first blooded by xxs was it the frog stomped it
must have disrupted that
it's tough to use uh dive against stomping if you're in the middle of it you need
to time it really precisely
xxs he knows how to play the banjo Shannon is showing it
Now to be fair he frogs up the other hero and the other one dived into it, so
Yeah, he knows how to play
Is the the bait song, okay?
He played the come after me bro
All right, the thing is if this was any other Ursa, maybe I wouldn't have as much faith nightfall
Well, it's gotta be the best Ursa in the game right now.
He, his last couple of Ursa games haven't looked as dominant though.
It wasn't his fault, it's never his fault.
Okay.
Well, nevermind then.
Next node, we're coming through the gate.
Classic level 2 warlock, gangsta 6, we've got Barry's carry, the lick into the fatal
bonds. The Mira coming in from the north now. You can get tossed this time onto FY. He does
back into the tower range as well. That should be a kill going the way of Aurora. Eventually,
yes, burns away. That's about getting some help there. And Lornoff gets the first
I mean, yeah, we didn't see very seldom do we see this, where the supports are not helping the power rune.
I'd also say very seldom do we see Stormwind lane against Queen of Pain.
40 and 6 versus 33 and 8, yeah?
I know it doesn't sound like that much, but when it's a perceived losing lane, this is actually a quite big win to even draw, is great.
So nothing to say having a solid start here.
Obviously there's been interaction from supports, so it's never...
Yep, you won't have a Sonic Wave for a little bit. Holding onto that point is, top lane WS gets shackled.
Looks like he's gonna be fine. Ami has the pop-time lapse to get away.
Oh, seven minutes though. No way.
He's gonna try for this without ult.
No advice.
Oh, they find a little snack.
Mira does get off the avalanche though. K. Ori's like, get the wisdom.
XXS gets the other one so they will end up trading. They really don't want Lornaf to take this.
Okay, it was taken by Kyori.
Because you need the support levels here.
Tiny was obviously going to get half regardless, but you want your Phoenix to get to Egg.
It's a pretty good Egg game. The only true Egg hitter is Weaver.
And I suppose you don't have that much control for the hero, which is why the pick is really good.
So maybe that is not even the safest thing to place.
But if you get a fire spirit on Weaver and you ult, you're probably okay.
A lot of the time.
You can lick it off, though.
Oh, yeah.
Largo loves...
Probably loves eating fireflies.
Yeah, I would imagine.
Fire spirits are kind of like that.
Delicious.
We'll be Ag's first item for XXX.
Power and time.
Nothing to say it gets the illusions, not the best.
I can't use it to dispel some stuff, but kind of meh, obviously not the rune you're hoping
for.
I'm shaman with this pot, could very well form a band with Largo, didn't realize that.
Bang in the drum.
Yeah, we need to make a list.
Oh, getting an SFM going for the contest this year.
Sure it's worth the effort.
Just make sure you win.
If you win you get, what, $10,000?
I don't remember what the breakdown is.
And the videos probably take hundreds of hours.
That's probably something.
I don't think that is an exaggeration.
You mean the good ones?
I think hundreds of hours.
I think you could make one that wins in five hours.
Well, that's because I'm really good.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
If you're good enough, it's not fair, though.
I don't want to subject the world to that.
Nightfall Battle Spirit.
Nightfall Battle Spirit creation will just be a close-up of Largo for one minute.
Just became licking on loop.
That's why Valve has made sure that they get to choose the winners.
The voting only goes so far.
Exnova finds himself a bear extinguished not the teddy bear variety here comes
yes one from Amé they get to lick on the Kaori does have egg we'll use it
Mir is going to be the first of all okay so after all of that a one-for-one
support
It's going to be a fast pandemitus, it is, for Mr. WS with his lovely tranquil boots built.
This feels like the type of thing that genuinely might just get, like, it wouldn't be out of
the ordinary for this to just get fixed.
Or it's without a big patch?
Yeah.
This could just get its own where it doesn't even show up in game, but it just gets like a hot fix
Smoke from Aurora, Ame would be a big prize is already Ushikuchi, Avalanche, Toss is not on Ame, though
Unfortunate. Oh my god, Sonic Wave! Oh he hasn't killed it, he had him for sure. That was a kill
Well, that's true, he did have great healing Lotus.
Was that enough though?
Oh, it has a greater one, never mind.
Yes, he's fine.
I thought it was a normal one.
In the meantime, nothing to say is finished here on how it's done.
He's two levels ahead of Lornoff on Storm.
Yeah, that's pretty good.
That's a nice jump.
He's gonna be able to dodge the Avalanche.
Dodge the Toss though.
And he's out of mana so Lornoff will use his Sonic Wave onto Duffing to save the
the shadow was actually healing him up
it's like he's gonna be fine
nothing to say so cool he didn't even use his polywalk charm until it was all
over
you didn't need it
style points
this is looking quite healthy for extreme especially
not to harp on it too much but what we've seen from Largos
when the team is doing well in the early game
this hero
Nutty.
And we can.
So, I'm already keeping my eyes on Nightfall.
He's the one core on the Radiant that is doing truly well.
I think he's got a lot of work to do here.
But yeah, he's not gonna Sonic here because of the greater lotus, of course.
He started the animation briefly.
He decided against it.
I'll make...
Throw him from my personal favorite build on Weaver.
This is what I think players...
Even though it's also the most popular one, I still think it's undervalued in some games.
Amé himself has gone Mjolnir in multiple games, I believe, in this tournament.
And I just find this to be the stable build, I would say.
Treads, Falcon Blade, and Tadeso is exceptionally strong when you get the Shard.
Plus, you get a Minus Archer.
Armour strat with that Cinder.
Yeah, that's true.
Two synergies on the same hero, so Minus Armour strat.
Yeah.
Minus Armoring with your own Minus Armour.
Oh, and I thought I'd have to pop in Rage, Sun Rage, gonna get Kanto, Kaori, gets off a dive, here comes the Primal Split though, they can't kill the eggs though, Extreme will back away.
Is there any tornado onto the frog and Aurora just runs away, so having to use a couple ults there.
In fact, three I believe would be in Rage.
Not the worst trade, golem for egg and primal split.
To answer your question from earlier about the tornado by the way, level 1 bruce split
tornado is only 3 seconds, it scales by a second per level.
So it's 6 seconds when you have eggs in your 18.
I was surprised to see that.
It feels like an eternity when you get cyclone, but it's because you remember the bad
ones I suppose.
I mean, I remember, I guess it wasn't even that long ago, where you could tornado the bear and it was considered a creep, but now that I'm here, I'm going to back to normal amount.
That's the hard counter for long group, no big deal.
Extreme grouping up a bit. That's why we'll put the snakes down.
There it goes.
Pretty even game right now. Time for Wisdoms. Nobody's really looking to contest by the looks of it.
Sorry. This matchup is annoying for Phoenix, that's for sure.
Can't chase that.
There's the battle theory. 14 minutes.
Not too shabby for the Ursa.
One-zero-one start for Nightfall. And I'll make closing in on his Desolator.
Hey, when do you feel comfortable fighting on Reavers?
And how many items do you want? Do you want a BKB or something after this?
Depends what type of fight you're looking for. If it's in this game, I think you can fight now.
If you don't get avalanched, you're kind of free to roam the fights. There's no stuns.
If time lapse you just need to not get 100 to 0, which is basically impossible for the
Regan to do without the Tiny Stun.
And once the Deso's there they could actually try and steal the Roche away from the Ursa.
You got snakes for that as well, yeah, true.
Well I guess they're not nearly as good as they used to be but it's good enough.
You have a double minus armor from Weaver and Laura can keep killing you.
That's fine.
or he can use the offensive song
Both Ellie Blitz yep, definitely gonna be saying that yeah
Can't wait you to stop island elixir every time he cast a heal in a fight, please
I feel like the songs are not distinctive enough
Just from listening to them or maybe I just haven't played to hear you're not a largo player
Yeah, well, that's the thing like most people watching are not largo players
Well, that's untrue. Everybody's a Largo player.
Island of the Lixar. Island of the Lixar.
Island of the Lixar.
FY, can we get the Hex off?
With the Shackle as well, Lornaff though gets out of it.
Gets the Sonic Wave, deletes FY from the face of the map.
Here comes Amado.
He has that Desolator in tow.
The egg onto the high ground will scare them off though.
So for all that, only a support kill.
I haven't really had any big core kills it feels like in a while, Mira.
Get to the lake, get to initiate it on, and there's the desktop going to work for Amé.
First charges for that.
And to the tier one as well.
Pulling.
There she goes.
Yep, let's see if they fancy the rush.
It would be a possible opportune moment, especially with the sonic wave on cooldown.
But they don't have the snakes, maybe just a little bit too crazy, probably is also only level 2 of the swarm, so yeah.
I think everybody's going to want to save their ults now for this 20 minute mark to come.
Especially the egg as the shard already purchased from Kaori, so that is a fearsome ult, even though it is only level 1, but that tormentor spot is condensed, very valuable.
Now a blink comes out for Nightfall.
Did you take Kaori as shard?
Yep.
You're not flying it out of this courier die
By was going through the gate
All my has to use this time lapse we'll be back in a minute though
It's interesting like the different ways that people
Get ready for the tormentor a lot of times obviously want to get the wards down or whatever
But sometimes just burning like making the enemy burn something important is enough like literally one ultimate a lot of times
They just have to give it up.
And of course pub players prepare for tormentor by pretending it doesn't exist. That's right. That's another last time. I've seen that in pub.
WS. Oh, this is really really bad timing for WS. He drops 44 seconds 300 away from aggs.
I guess he'll still get it in time for the tormentor play.
Yeah, should be able to get it. It lose nearly as much money as I thought he was.
Are they going to turn this into Rosh-O?
Yes they are.
Okay.
It gets pinged out though, Kaori.
Ask him in his sights.
He's going to keep throwing up.
Farsper's at them so much so that he gets stunned by the vokers in his camp.
This is actually super annoying for him.
Now he gets warmed too.
I mean with that deathstone going to town, Aurora looks like they might want to try
to contest but it's too late.
Avalanche comes in a good attempt. It's gonna cost Mira his life though.
And I'm right now with the Aegis, which means Tormentor likely there's as well.
Yeah, you'd think this.
This is such a good Weaver pick, in my opinion.
I think that's my favorite pick of the draft.
I was gonna say it rivals the Largo, but I think we just exclude him from the conversation and then we look at...
...look at picks.
Recognizing just the quality of this hero here.
It's a carry that I feel like we still see too little of.
Obviously there are some lineups where it's just not good, but I think some players maybe don't value it enough or have it enough on their radar when they're suggesting picks as carry players.
There's plenty of carry players in this tournament that play really good weavers.
I think this day, once getting ready for the Tormentor coming, he finds a little chicken action.
Karrie has buyback if Aurora want to try this, but I think it's just gonna let it go like you said into Aegis. It's just too tough.
Now the Weaver game gets harder at some point. There's like an interval in this game where Ursa is an issue.
He can jump you with Vastra and Enrage and then they can't counter you with Shaman.
The stuns are so short duration.
Maybe that's going to be an opportunity.
They might actually want to fight, Mary gets a toss back onto a support, FY dead.
Amé, he is seen, obviously has a second last, so feels pretty confident.
A huge zip from nothing, the safe takes out Mira.
There's the goal, I'm being placed on the Sunray, so a lot of damage, nothing to say somehow.
Drops, and now Amé about to burn life number one.
Oh, that is so much better for Aurora than you would have expected.
expected to get the sonic wave and they kill my goodness extreme dropping the
ball where it's not there is up this whole time was Margot just chains I
clumped the whole fight or life yeah xx that's now left all along that's gonna
be an easy cleanup for Aurora and this is a free tormenter oh boy what's
happening replay this was gonna end up being about a 6k net worth lead
after Tormentor for Xtreme, but instead Aurora now take the lead.
I have to see what happens to Largo. I think if he wasn't Chain Cyclone the whole time,
this is just poor fight selection from Xtreme, right? You have the advantages, you have
the ages. Fight around Largo. Let me see the map here. He's really far away to the
north currently. I mean, this fight breaks out here, Chalman dies, Miegr gets time
He's going to run, playing aggressive on me. This looks okay.
And there's the primal splint, instant cyclone alert. Okay, he just wasn't playing the fight.
The counter worked, apparently. They're going to cyclone him again, I'm assuming.
He's already running away. Yeah, but he's getting cycloned again offscreen.
You can see the arrow spinning on the minimap.
So, effectively CC for 10 seconds here by WS.
insane and he gets rewarded with a shard
how good is this shard syndrome explain it
to the audience and me
I genuinely don't know how to place this one
like effectively you get a new ability on
the liquid courage you can throw a
regen ability to an ally that gives them
liquid courage which is the innate of
brewmaster where you drop below half
healthy gain status assistance and
movement speed and it like alternates between being faster and slower so kind of
like the old what was I even called yeah was it drunk and brawler right it was a
part of that ability at one point yeah you get the war trap avalanche trying to
disrupt this nothing to save me the brisket damage those sonica not gonna
do too much but it does scare off extreme they lose roster in that they
were the ones to initiate could have been way worse they got Earth's BKB
charge as well nightfall ended up going BKB instead of bastard change
his mind after they won that last fight. So when you get to half HP, you get liquid
courage. Yeah. So it doesn't do anything otherwise? It gives 2.5% max HP region per second, regardless
of your health. Nice. The shark does. Yeah, okay. I mean, it's just a weird one. It's
one of those new ones they're experimenting with. I don't really know how to place
this one. Giving status resist and move speed to an ally is obviously great, but I think
I think if you compare this to something like Berserk Potion on Alchemist, I think that's just much better, right?
Yeah, sounds like it.
They obviously don't have to be equally good.
There's plenty of charges, but are much better than others.
Mira.
See you later, goodbye.
That's what charges the Weaver.
Got an Agatom Scepter for the Queen of Pain Lorna.
This was still a very big moment.
For the side of Aurora, the fight they just found, looking a lot more comfortable and a
proof of concept against Largo in that fight.
Now, obviously XXS will be going DKB in this game to deal with that problem, and once
he gets there, it gets more interesting.
Could have also considered Lincoln's.
Always going to jump in deep, Primal Split already used, nothing to say, a bit deep
as well.
as Aurora trying to reset here as Lornoff is the one they finally get.
Didn't get the Sonic Blade off.
Primal split, not able to find a connection quite yet, nothing to say.
Gonna zip away.
As Nightfall with that DKB, not gonna be too happy with just the support.
It is both though, they couldn't even get the Golem off as XXS continued to get tornadoed.
All that cool down is available.
Another kill on the Weaver.
No, it's a 16 on the Dessau.
Key difference maker there that Lornoff doesn't get Sonic Weaver.
I think if he does, that could have got kind of interesting for Aurora.
No, instead they probably get the best result they could under the circumstances, which is
a two for two trade losing a core though.
Smoking up.
What's the plan here?
They want a gate bottom and try to get a backstab with, I'm assuming, TPs to the
tier two.
This could work really well if they get a stun on the Weaver from Tiny.
I think it is theoretically possible for Ursa to solo the Weaver here in the full stunts, especially with some pop damage.
Little baby Blink to Lorna, back into the tower. WS gets linked. Baster now available for Nightfall.
There's the Zip and the Electric Fortex. WS is getting extremely low. Does not have his ult. Will fall.
Big Sonic Way though, coming out to take out FY. Nothing to say. Kind of out of mana.
Mira is dropped to the deck though, and is Lornoff in the midst of all of this and Nightfall attempting to run away with the swarm applied,
but the Deso is too much damage at this point of the game.
And Lornoff under the cover of the tier 2 gets one more blink off. Looks like he's actually going to survive.
As you can see how low X-Xtreme ended up getting here, but they're going to be A-OK.
Well, I thought Lornoff was going to be fine, but Ami finds him.
Right clicks are more than enough.
He was not expecting to be hounded, is he gonna kill, is he gonna get teamwiped here?
Aame gets off the hurricane pike, he's going in very deep Kaori, trying to get to the cover of the trees, but the right clicks enough again!
Aame gets away with murder.
You know what was the big difference between this and the previous fights?
Largo was playing the guitar, that's the difference, there was no bruise split, and that is why...
Do they have a lock down the earth pan against the sun? It's not gonna be nearly enough damage though.
Amé, lift it up into the air.
There's another round of spells here.
They have a sentry here.
Do you have the sun? Avalanche again! It is enough! My goodness!
Wow, really well executed.
Both teams showing some good form here, but as mentioned, the reason Xtreme were so hellbent on pushing that bot tier too is they understand the value of Brucefully being on cooldown.
being on cooldown. That is why they want to go for this move. Ami has a lot of
freedom, so he gets a ton of damage done and so does the storm of course.
And it didn't feel like Orr necessarily with that far off being able to fight back truly,
but Ursus is getting kited. He gets the warlock kill instantly and kind of
I can't really connect again afterwards.
Abyssal is going to change this, but it's going to take a while.
He wants to buy the Shard first, as it looks, to get more damage.
Obviously the Shard has been changed now.
It doesn't give you the Enrage anymore.
It gives you three additional Fury Strike stacks on every target hit.
Maybe the logic is, I want to be able to kill Weaver or Storm in a stun.
We need the Burst.
It's a very good value for money for that.
Nothing to say with a shield rune, looking very untouchable.
Unless he gets dispelled by a Storm Panda or just a casual use I guess.
Oh no, I lost my shield rune. Oh, unfortunately I get a regen rune.
It's the Storm Panda Tornado, the only tornado in the game that doesn't dispel.
I guess the neutrals don't come in as the hero-based ones.
I think so, yeah. It never even crossed my mind.
It's not consistent, Cinder.
Nope, that's not in a nutshell though.
Time to prepare for...
The big man!
Both teams have fog scouting abilities.
Swarm and static remnant on one side and fire spirits on the other to keep track.
If you're feeling really cool, you can also scout with Gollum.
If you don't hit a tower with it, what's it good for anyway?
Am I right fellas?
Hey!
The Gollum basically being used as serpent wards.
There's effectively no difference other than the ability to move them.
to move them.
You could just make that a facet for Shadow Shaman.
Oh yeah, we need movable techies mines too.
That was great.
My favorite hero of all time, level 25 old techies.
I know somebody that misses that.
You know after all these years, Cinderan, all the years of Dota 2, all the years
of Dota 1, I still haven't played techies this single time.
I can respect that.
That's over 20 years.
Roche pit for Xtreme to bait Lee.
Oh, not in position at all. Xtreme is called the bluff because of the killing.
They are not close.
Tiny, too late.
Gets off the avalanche, but Ames secures the goodies. It's going to cost the Tiny his life.
It's carrying company. Do they want to stick around? I don't think so.
That is not okay, I think, for that to happen on Aurora's side.
Just not in position at the right moment.
right moment they had vision on their own high ground so Phoenix could have
stood there relatively safely and kept scouting with fire spirits they just
pretty early refresher though for WS he's having himself pretty good game yeah
he's gonna need this refresher these fights are gonna be long and he needs to
keep cycling either Largo or Weaver I mean when is Largo getting that BKB he
has it but if you have two splits the duration of two splits versus one
One BKB is obviously heavily favoring you. Two splits is 48 seconds.
That's crazy to say that on.
Outlast some BKBs with that.
Even if Largo gets refresher.
XXS is going to go Lincoln's though, standard stuff.
And that's going to make it even harder for the brew.
Then he has to break the Lincoln's with the rock first.
And then he can cyclone.
There comes a point in the game, and I don't know how far away we are from it,
Let's just start one-shotting these Bruins though.
Yeah, that's fair.
We're not as far away from that as we might think.
He is hitting like a truck already.
350 damage pre-crit.
He has Daedalus.
Just gonna run through all of them and just cleave them all down.
And if he takes the plus one Gemini attack at 25, it gets dirty.
Single target them out very, very fast.
Or just go for the Shikuchi talent and keep running through them and get your shard value.
Like both 25T and Weaver are a yes tier.
They're so damn good.
What do most people take?
I think we've mostly seen the left one, but the more I think about it the more I like
the right.
It stood out to me when Ami took it in a game the other day, but...
Ex-Nova.
He is likely going to get picked off.
I say that.
He drops the golem and now the team has arrived.
And they don't want it nothing to say, this is a big fatal bond as well, so Aurora just
have to get the hell out of here.
By the Franco, sharing the damage, Primal Split has to be used, there's nothing to say.
Focusing on the egg, it's going to be CLOSING, GOES OFF, INTO THE SONIC WAVE, Nightfall
gets the bash, just when he needed it.
That is a huge kill as Lornav has to completely reset, Nightfall though, popping the enrage
and he's still just trying to run away, overpower, but he's dead.
kill for all me so despite a little mishap they end up kind of winning this
fight well guess it's relatively even but they'll get some building damage at
the very least and in classic dota fashion overpower versus overpowered
Ursa against Largo this batch is really lucky without that the egg doesn't
even go off they still lose the fight I don't know man I feel like we're all
frog in it up right now I think we reached critical mass now these teams
need to be on the same page it seems and they always you know I respect
trying to beat something yep but maybe it's the next level long calm from
liquid to play a Largo game and lose so other teams led it through against them
and then they were actually only pretending and they know how to play
it and they're just gonna win later yeah maybe ace gets a little bit of
practice yeah they are playing pubs now so yeah I've heard that that's still
unbelievable to me I how do you not play pubs because you value your sanity
and you're not a streamer I don't know I guess it depends on how much you're
I don't think they... I mean, it's a balanced thing. I'm not here to tell you what's the right way to prepare for a turn-in or praxis, but if you play a lot of scrims, I think you can also play too many pubs in addition.
Like you also need to, you know, be in the right mindset and have the focus to actually learn. There's only so much you can take in.
If you're playing just for the sake of playing and not, like, critically trying to test something out or gain a better understanding, it's kind of not really necessary.
I mean, the way I look at it is, pubs are learning the mechanics,
as in just getting down the mechanics of each individual here that you think you're going to be playing,
and then scrims are more on the teamwork side.
I think that's a fair percentage.
They are very different.
I am out.
You can also learn the mechanics and over for a course on turbo.
That's right. Turbo gets you to late game.
I feel like pro players, they understand tier 5's better.
I feel like... I know you're gonna say I'm an idiot for this.
I feel like there is some value to these pro players playing a little bit of turbo
so they get used to just being fully stacked in these late game situations.
Because it's the hardest to execute.
Neifolk runs into the majority of Xtreme.
He'll have to pop. His ult gets the bash again, but no one nearby.
But the A comes in with the Sunray as well.
Neifolk running the opposite direction though in the right clicks.
From Aame, rain from above. 80 seconds of no bear. Sonic Wib comes out though onto nothing.
He's extremely low. The toss at the last moment. Mira climbs the connection.
Double crates from Weaver on Kaori. Just assassinates him.
They have no answer for Aame though.
And they have the ultimate answer for the Nightfall. They have Golem.
The longest range BKB cancel in the entire game.
So he can't BKB TP out there. I was waiting for him to try, but no chance.
They're just running him down here, he knows it's pointless.
Actually, Warlock was far away, he could have tipped it out of here, ironically.
I guess he didn't know.
It doesn't know the Maxxon maneuver.
This was a surprising kill, that was really nicely executed, Sonic waving into the Tiny Stun.
Excellent combo.
11-92, 11-92 double crit from the Weaver.
What's on me going for next, Butterfly?
Yeah, okay, fair enough.
Wants to survive the Ursa, he knows that it's really hard when I fault my MKB this game.
That hero hates buying that item, you need the slots for other stuff.
It went relatively glass cannon.
I mean, Satanic obviously gives a lot of HP, but not needing a BKB this game.
I agree 100% with the choice not by BKB. I think it's just unnecessary.
Like, what are you BKBing off? Avalanche? Some co-op stuff?
It's so minimal compared to what weavers usually have to deal with.
If you can tank through the first ball of spells, press Satanic and hit twice, you're back to full anyway.
Then your EHP is so much higher than it would be with a BKB.
Now, finally Nightfall gets the item he would love to have 5 or 10 minutes ago.
That Abyssal was sorely needed earlier.
And now it's a question of, is it too late? Largo has the Lincolns and Shards.
We can put it on Weaver every fight or the Storm.
And then Ursa can't break the Lincolns himself.
So he's going to need somebody else to set him up for Abyssal.
This is getting increasingly difficult to envision a good fight for Aurora.
It feels like they need to win a fight here relatively shortly.
Roche could be up soon.
The mass TP through the gate, nobody remoulding nearby though.
And it is an instant Roche.
Two seconds timer.
Jesus.
And the game can stop this.
If they just go there more or less, they kill it so fast, but Aurora will try to
contested potentially.
Weaver 25 top. He took the left one.
I'm not sure if you mentioned that, but
Triple Geminate attack.
Nothing to say. Scouting things out.
Primal Split is used. Sonic Wave as well.
Aume though, time lapses. He's fine.
Oh, what happened? Nothing to say. He died to the Sonic Wave, apparently.
Look at the world.
X-XS now on the run.
Aume, trying to kill off these little broolings.
The chase continues in this triangle area. Avalanche finds Ame, tossed to follow, but they get the gata goffering, along with the fatal boss.
This is doing work, Lornoff, in a lot of trouble. Has to BKB away.
They lose the tiny EWS, has the refresher. If he wants to try to get another primal split up, he'll do exactly that.
A little likely tornado. Nice to Avalanche. I've got three heroes, but they toss the ball into the sonic wave, but the heals are so massive from this Largo.
It's a dieback for Mira.
You know, XXS.
I was gonna say running away, but not really.
He can just go back in because they're all back to full HP, effectively.
They're winning 4v5.
Storm died before the fight even really began.
And they still can't do anything.
Oh my.
Amé forces the ULZ.
Gets them help with the hacks.
But his damage is just out of control at this point.
50 seconds of no tiny...
60 so look at this nightfall he's gonna solo rush this is a cheaty play yeah
We're gonna go left to try to buy him the time
This might just work
But it's a small consolation prize all things considered
There's so many heroes Mirabai's back dies again. That's a setup Derek
But we'll get I mean that's a lot though. It is easily the best play in the game
He can make so there's nothing better to do
It's going to cost him two sides.
I mean, it's one thing to give Largo away.
Largo Warlock is just gross.
Fatal Bonds plus Amphibian Rhapsody just...
I don't know, man.
It's funny how the games we cast on Largo, he tends to reach this point,
and we just always come to consensus that this is not a hero you should give away.
And then another series of Gets given away and it loses.
But I just don't feel like it's Largo's own error.
Yeah, it feels more like user error than anything. X-XS seems very comfortable and confident on the hero.
Yeah, it's actually, you can't slow them down really with Shadow Strike, they'll just lick it off.
It's... unreal.
But here, look at this Fatal Bonds.
Yeah, this Fatal Bonds with the damage from X-XS.
Not to mention Ami.
So they have a refresher short on the co-op right now.
There's definitely, there's some opportunity here for Aurora.
Yeah, you can use up the last fighting chance at least because there's no ages on Weaver,
otherwise I think Extreme just run it down the third lane.
So you have to get some value out of this.
I love seeing this from Extreme by the way in this, these games so far, they're really
on top of, oh my god, they're very fast.
They're really on top of the tournament, they're there when it spawns instead of
starting to move there when it's about to be able to spawn. They have it locked down.
Charge for Storm, a nice extra pickup.
Some more damage for Weaver as well.
Time for the potential killing blow.
This can still go wrong for them if they overextend and slip up a little bit.
Nightfall has good damage together with the Queen Refresher.
Would love to get his 25 of course on both heroes.
As that is another big advantage that Xtreme are rocking right now is the fact that they
have 225 taunts and the Largo one is also amazing.
As if this hero needed anything more.
It's kind of funny how in this tournament it only gets played free.
It only feels truly broken when it hits two items and there's nothing much to, I'd
say only.
I think we've seen it support like very few times but.
It seems like the hero is off balance, like, there's one way to play it that's busted and
the other one is not even really considered.
I mean the way he runs is quite off balance.
That's a frog after all, but he might just not flop over.
That'd be funny if he had a chance of tripping when he played his guitar.
I feel like he shouldn't react to heat, like a real frog.
Just slowly boil the water.
i heard that's an old wives tale though
sounds like one
we're gonna ask chat to keep it a little later
trustworthy of course
two minutes on the ages for night flight
all these goodies obviously the ages is the one that has the timer
do you want to try to do something
in this time or
are you waiting
what are you waiting for though maybe these twenty five you said
Nifle has 25 now.
Club Hex, MKB on Ursa.
I think this is a pretty good timing.
The MKB is in 300 gold, so you could get it before...
Wait, what did he do?
Oh yeah, okay, he did the same thing and we put them in a carousel.
If you get this MKB in insta smoke, that could be a thing.
Maybe.
But you still need to push out the waves and make it not obvious what you're doing.
Regardless, it is very, very hard to access.
his dire team.
Ami basically maxed out, ended up buying a DKB minute 40 on Weaver, so he has the 9-seconder,
gives him the freedom and the fight so I could cyclon and not worry about a lot of quaps
damage and the tiny...
I think...
I love his itemization in this game.
I think the items he chose and the order in which he did it, to me, is just perfect
for the game.
I don't always think that about Ami's build, but to me, he's really nailing
of the scam. Damage rune, bottom river. Has been scouted. So extreme.
Oh, I'll be able to snag that one. Put that on the weaver and watch him one shot Phoenix.
They already stole theory 4, but he has the size. Yeah, Lornaf is going to be very
frustrating because he's so close to that 25. I don't think he's going to have time though.
An extra 250 damage times 2 with the refresher. I mean that's quite a bit. It is really big.
They need everything they can get. The fights are pretty binary here. Either you burst them or
you lose. I don't think there's going to be a chance to build up 15 stacks of furious
wipes on the Lorda. It's just not happening. He has Shiva's now too. 36 armor before he
He starts strumming and 4.6k HP.
He found the MKB on nightfall, so his focus might just be the weaver instead.
Maybe giving up on the frog.
Bears are more into fish anyway.
I needed a moment to process how weaver was a fish, but that wasn't the Joker.
That it wasn't the frog.
That's right.
That's a very weird way of saying that.
All right. What's wrong with you?
Just chill. What's wrong with you?
Just chill. Relax, man.
I'm relaxed. Take it easy. Everybody's taking it easy right now.
Have your 12th meal of the day. Just enjoy yourself today.
Oh, I'll have some food after this if you insist.
You're really enabling me, though.
That cookie smell.
That is enabling me really hard.
I think Shira just went and got cookies out of the oven for the second time.
She's giving me the thumbs up, which means you can have five of them after this.
Nice. She's giving me the thumbs down, so I'll only have four.
That's good enough.
All right, Lornaus gonna hit 25 here it looks like.
It's extreme.
Feels like they're just waiting for Roche then.
Yeah, pretty much.
This is...
I mean, this is fine.
I think you could realistically maybe go high ground, but risk reward, why not wait?
Ask yourselves what would Falcons do.
They would probably call.
If let some creeps invade their base, it's going to be really hard to contest Roche.
You leave your base, creeps come, you go defend, they go Roche.
It's never ending.
You were saying you like stranger things, right?
Yeah, that one scene with that song was a great scene. I will admit that that was one of my least favorite scenes of the show
I'm you're kidding just felt so forced. God you're the worst
It was like they needed to showcase that they had the skill at singing just for the sake of it
No, it's just funny that dichotomy of it all is I mean sure that that was fine, but that felt forced
Literally, I think the best scene of the entire show and the rest of the show
I think we're just establishing over time. She is that you and I just like different things
You don't watch enough shows and movies for the last 30 minutes,
or stranger things were great too.
No, I did not.
I thought they were really unnecessary and not very good.
No, the entire last season was bad.
OK.
Anyway.
Maybe an exaggeration, but anyway, it wasn't the best season.
I'm glad we established that you suck.
It's a zip-in with the Shiva, there's nothing to say.
Poking and prodding.
Eon disc for the brewmaster to secure that he can get his ult off.
Yep.
I don't know anything for that.
So wait, cheese?
Oh, they can lick it off, actually.
Yeah, true.
Okay, cheese is in the backpack of Lorna, so he's gonna swap it in once the refresher is used.
Yep.
And now the million dollar question.
And he has a 25.
Do Aurora even contest this roach?
Yeah.
Or do they wait in base?
Cause one of those two things will happen.
That's not gonna be some random fight before roach, that will surprise me.
What should happen now?
Manifesting it, nice deny on the magic stick biome.
That's big.
That's been lying there for a while.
Gets rid of it.
Somebody forgot that. It's better than forgetting the Aegis, which I've heard is all the rage these days.
It's leaving something in the pit. Yeah, let's get a replay of that.
Slow Mo please.
Oh, oh, oh!
Nice.
What does Weaver shoot? What would you call his attack if you were to explain it to someone?
I thought they were just bugs.
Is it just bugs?
Yeah.
So he shoots like, eggs.
Well, if I... I was not gonna say eggs, no. Just bugs.
So he just has live bugs in his mouth?
Yeah.
Okay. More sense, I guess.
God, that's so satisfying. This shard is...
It's one of my favorite games. It is so nice to play with when you have it.
Very nice.
Continue to scout things out. Nothing to stay in the pit.
Ten seconds away from rush.
And just based on this movement alone it looks like Aurora want to contest in their end.
So this will be a last ditch effort.
Let's see if they can get some magic going.
That bottom wave though, you can see slowly going to make its way over.
You can get their 20 talent potentially 4 now, they want to try to go for the 25
on WS.
Bit ambitious.
Maybe after a big team fight.
We're not, we'll scout out Roche.
He's gonna leave soon.
See the line being drawn by Extreme, they're gonna head south with their smoke
and try to potentially intercept Aurora on the way there.
Maybe, they have a pretty good pre-placed ward here that they can access
and they're obviously gonna run into that while Amme is still hogging the top room.
We'll find a haste.
Not exactly the most important room to get on Weaver, but it's more so taking it away from the enemy team.
And now you get to your high ground, you hear the croak of genius come out.
Very in the creeps, you got it contested. WS, he's gonna front line, he on this cross. Oh my god, he's dead!
They licked it off so fast.
Oh my god, that's a fast tongue!
Beautiful.
And the egg gets taken out in turn, and honestly the game might just end here.
here. Janik offering, Lorinoff gets off one sonic wave, BKB in retreat, Big Zip, refresher
for Lorinoff, has another sonic wave, but look at the HP bars of Xtreme.
That was so premeditated. That was honestly beautiful to watch. They knew exactly how
they were going to execute that. They're like, we're going to run into them, if
the smoke breaks and it's brew, here's how we're going to do it. Drop the disc,
We can still remove it with Largo and kill him off.
Look how fast this is. This is pre-planned when you do it this quickly.
And, right into the shackles.
This was, uh...
Alrora's plan, obviously, was to use the brewmaster to start the fight in this fashion.
They just, I guess, didn't expect XXS to be this fast, or maybe they didn't think about it.
That they still have that one counter
By the way, I mean why would a tongue just fell yeah, it's really weird
It's true. I'm going for the mega creeps between coins like a part earlier. They're definitely gonna look like it's spelled to me
Dispelled a lot of women
That's for anybody who's interested in that one
They get the buildings now, they get the hex, oh they actually get the kill on the Lornoff
who's not expecting it to be that easy, but the state of affairs pretty bad for Aurora,
Nightfall all alone, WS finally gets off his primal split, Nightfall on the run, but
a big blue hole coming out from nothing to say, make it a double, triple kill for X-XS,
Why not? The frog deserves all the glory with his tongue action, with his healing.
And that's going to be game two in the books as we even things up one to one.
What can you say? This was... I personally think this was a...
I started at the beginning of the game, I wasn't really sure what to make of this, because like...
You think, yeah, maybe Aurora has the damage, they have some good team fight, can they outpace the Largo?
So it feels like with every passing minute, we just step by step we lost faith that they
actually had the damage.
And they didn't.
The numbers speak for themselves.
Extreme gaming.
I mean, I was expecting this to go through three games, so not disappointed.
Yeah, this is probably the most likely result for these two teams facing off.
I don't think there's a massive difference in my power.
I would like game three to be a little closer though.
Like, something where late game you're not sure who's going to win.
It was more methodical, your nature.
I mean, there was a moment where Aurora had a great comeback
early in the game, but it feels like after that,
they didn't get anything going.
This is the third.
I think this is Nightfall's third Ursa loss in a row,
if I'm not mistaken.
That's Ursa in the Worlds in the room.
He did 18k damage.
This is the carry of the game.
That is just not enough,
and it was hard for his hero to do it.
Perhaps he could have played better himself as well,
but yeah, this is not.
It's getting countered in these games, this Ursa.
Extreme tied up one to one
Yeah, we said that all they need to fix
Was their draft that was the main issue for game one extreme gaming game two comes in with a different plan
They get their hands on a weaver that went basically
Uncontested or at least it was just I was just able to run around like a maniac
I guess to be honest, I was excess and it is extreme to take the game Brian
This was a this is a treat for all the extreme funds. Yeah, absolutely
No, they executed their lineup really well.
I think that last play on the Brewmaster
just showcased their coordination.
That Eon proc into the lick, into the act instantly.
I hope we get a chance to see that, because that was just
an impeccable timing across the board.
When you see that much synergy, I feel like mid to late game,
their lineup did play itself.
FY was a really nice juke here.
That stupid shadow shaman Eon Diskinate
as a carry player.
I absolutely hate it.
This one right here.
Fixed.
Perfect.
That was nice.
I...
I'm starting to believe that Largo has no counter.
I thought maybe Doom AA Quinn, I know you said SF.
But it just, it seems like...
As teams are trying to figure out how to counter it,
teams are also getting a lot better at figuring out what goes with Largo,
to a degree where,
if you do the right pairings, then there ISN'T a counter.
Hmm.
Because, like, warlock plus Largos, what the fuck was that?
That was insane damage.
Fatal boots!
Kind of kills your whole screen.
And killing the whole screen is generally a pretty powerful mechanic, though.
It's quite good.
It's quite good, I would say.
And, oh my god, this build.
The tranquil boots.
He started on the off-lane, X-XS, with
Windlace, Ring of Regen, two branches, no tangos.
And he just rushed tranquil boots.
Like, that's what got him the opening into the game in the first place.
This crab is pretty stupid.
But to be honest, I think if this wasn't in the game, then Largo might be quite a bit worse because you might be able to punish him in lane.
But right now it seems kind of impossible to truly punish any offlaner because they just buy tranquil boots and abuse this mechanic.
That is clearly not intended and will definitely be removed in the next patch.
But that's part of Dota. Sometimes stuff is just broken and it's not patched out yet, so you abuse it.
That's Wraithpack, that's this. That's honestly the way of team's win tournaments over years of Dota.
So if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Or it is broke, maybe. Use it.
Or ban it.
That's right.
In Largo's case, yeah, I just, just, just fan it. It's just...
It's easy solution.
It is. It's literally one button.
Yeah.
And the other option is like a whole million buttons and every perfect criteria and this beaker and that beaker and pour it all together and then...
Cause they, cause obviously the plan was, I mean, you know that everyone knows that Largo is strong.
The plan was to put him up in the air the whole fight.
I think there was only one fight where they were able to do that.
Yeah.
It did work.
It did work. That one fight was great.
A couple of times. Maybe.
Then he gets a BKB, and then, you know, Aume's running around like,
thank god they're just throwing this guy in the air.
Like, Aume had the freest game ever.
I don't think he was...
He felt any pressure on his shoulders at all, for most of that.
Yeah, he was going hog wild, and it's also nice for him, I think, that he gets a team pick.
That he's got this first pick off laner who can't be countered.
He gets Warlock on his team.
He's just full chill, and he gets Warlock, and he gets a team.
Like, that's Aume's dream.
He just wants to counter pick the enemy.
They pick this brewmaster, thinks he's all high and mighty.
I'm gonna put the frog in the air and then we ever like well now
I've got a free lane and you can't pressure me and it was a very stale game in the early end there weren't a lot of moves
I didn't think that's because there's a weaver
There's a storm and there's a largo about who's full HP all the time who you're gonna kill on Aurora side
You can't do anything you just farm and wait to lose or die. Yeah, and they losing they did Brian
I believe you have something more to show. Yeah, actually for this game
I wanted to do a little bit of a head-to-head the tween
Nightfall and XSS people who lain against each other and we've been seeing Largo
be countered by single target damage which Ursa does do that but as we see
here the net worth Nate Nightfall despite being the carry still lost that by
about 7,000 gold at the end of the game extreme did have a sizable at that
point but he was ahead most of it inside of XSS and as we pull up the
hero damage oh my god Ursa's entire job guys is to deal damage but he
It doesn't have AoE damage. Ex-Ex-S is not playing it fair.
Yeah, the fact that they picked Ursa under this, the problem with Ursa is his damage steroid can be dispelled and Largo's
lickability is a dispell. So I want to, you know, as we play out this fight in the mid lane,
we're going to see the chase from the Largo aggs.
They are going to, this is a situation where in the past maybe you'd be thinking they're going to chase,
to chase but watch Ursa walk back in no overpower for you does manage to get the
bash off so it's fortunate that he does get that without the overpower he's
gonna try to overpower again here on nightfall to baby turn the fight and
no overpower for you my friend so Ursa if you guys have ever played Ursa
without overpower it is incredibly depressing you can't pick Ursa no
because the first time you can see like he wanted to be can be before the
but the cast time, cast point time is so fast.
Yeah, and then this fight, this is every Earth's worst nightmare
is just spending his old BKB running away
and you see Largo chasing after you.
It's like, there's something very menacing
about a frog playing, or a toad, isn't it?
No, I think you'll die a happy death.
When you're being chased by a toad of the loot,
you're like, oh, please!
There's something oddly unpainful about a loot
being played behind you, but I don't know.
Okay, what is it? Is it a loot?
It's a lute, isn't it?
It has three streets?
I think it's two streets.
Well, obviously, it's three tubes.
I guess we can...
Accordion.
Maybe it's an accordion.
Maybe it's an accordion.
I think Dine2Olargo is quite possibly the most horror story thing that I can imagine.
Guy is just...
He's so happy!
...eating your insides with his tongue while there are little frogs dancing around you and stunning you.
No, no, no!
And he's just strumming on his...
No!
Friggin' Equian!
His lick is a dispel.
He is just having a tongue that's so long, and he like, gives you a warm hug.
He's cleansing you.
It's not going in stage.
I don't- I think this egg should be removed. I think the faggots.
Okay, what should his eggs be instead?
More songs.
Give him a fourth song.
Turning it into a damage dealing guy, like, I loved the fact that-
Shout out to-
This is a brilliant hero to sign, by the way, Valve.
Absolutely love it.
I think the axe is the only problem.
We finally have a hero that's like Io.
Pure support, pure healer, pure pacifist.
And then the axe-
Can you turn them into a lech?
No, no.
Well, we can move them into a lech.
You can still do the two songs
and make both songs be effective.
Yeah, but just not do the damage.
That's fine.
I think that's totally fine.
I actually like the idea.
They'll be super fast.
Because nobody plays Io.
Like, it's a really hard hero.
It's really niche, but it's super cool
to have a pure pacifist hero.
That's a really cool concept.
Largo was that. We have that. It's fun to play as a pacifist. Remove the ship. Why is he dealing damage? Dumb.
The lick is cool. I like the lick. I think the lick is necessary. I wish I could lick these cookies. We made all the batches of cookies.
That was an impulse.
Our goal is to make a tower, but we'll have a three-minute timer.
Hopefully before the final shift. Otherwise, it's just a waste of food and that would be very sad.
But we have to make a tower that is taller than 22 centimeters. Do we think we can do it?
I think we can do it. We're not gonna use the syrup at all. It's so many cookies like I would be
But they have to stack we only have three minutes. You have to balance it. Yeah, but you have all this glue
No, no the glue is no lose it. That's a trap for isn't it?
It's just gonna slide off because it doesn't solidify it just gonna make things slide off any actual glue
No, we do it's a waste from the cookies. Yeah, we're not gonna waste the cookies actually okay, but
I guess that's true.
I mean, all the ones became completely inanimate because they're just coated in like a mountain of syrup.
Yeah, also, they were squished and they were...
Yeah, no, that's not ideal.
Well, we'll see what we can do with these.
We'll also see what we're going to do with game number three after a week.
This family has yet to make it
We can do this thing together
Now let's get to make it
You and me and fire
Getting deeper down inside
Let's get connected
We can make it all the world better
Come on!
Nothing gonna stop us if we unify
This is what they gonna mark the future by
Everybody got to get together and do this right
One, two, one, two, three.
Let's get connected.
Let's get connected.
Let's get connected.
I can feel it.
Let's get closer.
Let's get connected.
Let's get connected.
Let's get connected.
We can start the whole thing over.
Nothing gonna stop us if we union in our pie
This is what they gonna make the future a pie
Everybody got to get together and do this right
Nothing gonna let nothing get in our way
Wanna change the world and start the game
Everybody get together let's start a living life
Oh come on
Am I connected?
Alright let's go
Let's get connected
Let's stay connected
Let's get connected
I can feel us getting closer
Let's get connected
Let's stay connected
Let's get connected
I can feel us getting closer
Nothing gonna stop us in the unify
This is what we're gonna make the future buy
Everybody got to get together and work this way
Living on, I'm getting nothing, getting out of way
Want to turn the world and start thinking
Everybody get together, let's start living life
Let's get connected
I don't think there's going to be a game of the fray.
Damn, I don't think there's going to be a game of the fray.
Oh my God, you see that?
Oh, oh, you see that?
Smile.
Yeah, yeah, I'm watching.
I'm watching.
Yeah, I'm just through.
I'm gonna get a beer.
No, yeah, I'm- I'm watching, I'm watching!
Yeah, I-
Hey, I'm gonna just do it.
I know.
I just want to get a beating.
Oh!
Let's do that!
Oh
Oh!
Oh! You see that?
Oh! You see that?
Oh! You see that?
Oh! You see that?
Whoa!
We had a Lincoln Sphere-type question, uh, there was another question about, uh, if you
have the egg shard and you lick somebody else? Does it also dispel you? It doesn't dispel
you. But Brian, it does.
I can describe the Lingans interaction if you'd like me to.
Can you describe the, if you lick somebody else and you have the egg shard?
Oh, so when Largo licks somebody, he himself has to heal if there was a b**ch dispelled.
Whether it's a buff on the opponent or a debuff on him.
If he licks an ally and removes something from them, with shard, the ally also gets
killed.
Yeah, and generally if you were cast, because that's like every buff gets doubled, you don't
even have to click.
Like if I have a glimmer cape and I'm Largo, I don't even have to click you and click
myself.
Whoever is closest to me will also be glimmer cape.
I guess, yeah, if you were to debuff an enemy, your nearby ally would also get
healed, I assume.
Does it glimmer only within the same range of the glimmer or is there a range to the
Ag Shard?
The range is pretty big, pretty darn big.
I would say it's green almost.
You could glimmer somebody from across the screen then by targeting yourself is what you're
seeing.
Oh yes, yes.
Wow, that's crazy.
Let's check the range.
But whoever is closest.
Now what I have had it happen that it wasn't on the screen anyway, I only focus on
myself and if I am glimmering myself and I happen to see a teammate on the other
I just had a screen get invisible like, neat.
Oh, I have a-
There's a thing for that.
I don't have it.
No, neat.
No.
Oh, no, it's this one, because I think he's gonna say neat.
No, it's not this one.
I think it's this one.
Neat.
There you go.
I knew there was one thing.
Go there and move into the camera.
No.
And then we can do that.
We need to focus on the draft because I did.
You do that.
No, you're you like mooning people. That's what I heard. Oh, no, you like moon meanders
I do like you have a big fun. We have got the Largo band this time around in game three
So we did see you why it's by extreme themselves this first pick was going away for Aurora
We got the Chikiro in their hands
We got Beast Masters the answer on the side of extreme and we're in a whole first draft
Maybe we could talk to him though. Because Largo is just bad. I
Do need to describe the linkage interaction. Oh, this is very important earlier roles. He's gonna get to him
Okay, so what happens when you have a Lincoln's in general if you apply the buff to somebody else
Your Lincoln's goes on cooldown for their 14 seconds because that's the cool down of Lincoln's and while it's kicking down
If their Lincoln's gets propped like the buff you put on them your Lincoln's goes on cool down again
It goes back to 14 seconds
But that doesn't usually matter on any other hero than Largo because we had to test it because the cool down in the
Buff duration are the same on every other hero in the game
But for Largo it's longer because it isn't made so what happens is if Largo buffs say I buff sheaver with the linkins and
They proc get on sheaver wait. Let me use your finger. Yeah, yeah, yeah finger death
Then my cooldown resets on my linkins, but I still have the buff
So then if I finger me afterwards
Yeah, then my buff resets again my cooldown
So, specific to Larga, if you know that, that is the hero.
For the 5% of the audience that was following on it.
What impact does that have?
The impact is just that you get full, you do get the full bonus of the double Lincolns.
You kind of have like a longer cooldown Lincolns basically.
Because it's sabotage yourself if you use your Lincolns.
Kind, yeah, basically.
Technically.
So you gotta hope that the person who you're Lincolns, when you're also Lincolns
yourself, gets propped at the same time as you do.
Or gets propped at new heights, so you don't get propped.
No, but if you can cast it again because you just said it wins on cooldown as long as it doesn't proc on me
What if it times out? No if it procs on the other person it resets my cooldown too. Yeah, it's okay. So
If I'm Lincoln's in your Lincoln's you are so I'm Largo. I
You I Lincoln's procs yours goes on cooldown. Yeah, if yours just never procs surely that's the best case scenario
Yeah, that's best case scenario. Yeah, or does it restart the cooldown if it times out?
No, it does not restart the cool down timing out, so you're good. There we go. We are so now we can focus now
We can focus on the girl that's gonna be in the game. Yes, very good. We got there is a lot of extreme
Oh, I remember you saying Brian that you
Some point is that you talk about stuff that if team picks two sports first the thing generally don't have as good of a win
Right. I do also know that the game where you said it it did happen that the team that picked the two sports first did win
Yeah, I mean I still believe in it because I think Quinn was mentioning earlier or some maybe said in my dreams as well
I can't I've said that in her life. Yeah, but the whole idea that there's just so many good cores
All right, there's so many really really strong cores like I think Beast Masters one of the premier course of the past
It's just the top three that heroes insane. Yeah, I'm surprised. He's like I'm surprised that people are prioritizing like
shattered even and
Warlock Bands over Beastmaster for instance, like for me, Beastmaster has been the most
conceptually straightforward, just like broken pick of the patch because he's, he's flexible
in terms of the position that he can be played mostly mid or carry.
And then he also just does so much for your team damage, he can be piercing, initiation,
objectives.
So, yeah, everything.
But the snowball is nice against the Beastmaster, I would say.
Yeah, it's decent.
Yeah, it's decent.
No, I think Beast is a very good pick on 9, because it works.
Really, I think that's the whole reason why they pick.
I mean, it's obviously a strong hero, but against a hero, there's nothing that you want to pick to counter this hero, because it's just broken.
So you pick something that's just strong in your own right, and you say, you've got a threat.
Well, we've got a threat, too, now.
We're a threat, and neither one of us has answered the other.
That's right. Now we're back to zero
So the draft is even apart from one team having more heroes on the other yeah, yeah, that's good
Yeah, they were to play the game right now. I would favor Aurora
Because they've got three three versus two. Yeah, that's a big advantage of my for that one
Can can can somebody in this room explain to me about it
What's going on with this ringmaster because I felt like he was always picked because of the box
And now people are thinking outside the box and now I feel like people are thinking outside the box
You don't we made that joke before when there's
You people have that haven't right now. I didn't hurt her. Ha ha ha nice. Thank you
But what is the box protecting you from it's not from the jacquero of last I checked jacquero was considered to be actually quite good against ringmaster
Holy NTS Tinker!
Dude, they've been stickin' face-bottling this hero every game park from now.
And they should've!
And just Tinker has got it.
Beastmaster Tinker is also a sick combo because you get the summon to TP too.
Oh, that's nasty.
You have the ability to connect to heroes before level 18.
So if you have these heroes, Brian, would you still go for a roar?
I would 100% go extreme here.
There you go.
I would definitely do it now, yeah.
There you go.
You really like Tiny?
No, it's just 4v3 now.
Oh, okay. Yes, I forgot about the whole number.
I French the numbers.
But I would imagine that right now, Aurora, because Tinker is on the radar the whole time, when there's a plan against it, surely.
I think it's also possible that they might have Fragore a little bit.
I mean, they're still like a storm in the pool.
We saw somebody responded to Tinker with Queen, but I think that is not sufficient enough, unless you really own...
What?
That's what they're saying. They love their Ursa. They like it.
They do, but like, Rifle's like, his my best hero.
I don't feel like it's that good.
Ursa and Razor are very redundant.
They're both single damage hitter bros.
You're playing against the Tinker,
who is gonna be very far away.
Ursa does not give you any of that, like,
sort of ethereal hunting ability
that, like, a puck or a storm does,
where they can jump in, like, a weird way
that's kind of floaty,
can hit the backline, things like this.
Ursa's like, I jump the guy who's in front,
and I hit him with my claws.
You're not, you're never gonna jump a Tinker.
He's not gonna let that happen.
He's too far away. He's, like, the extra backline.
You got this. Come on.
Holy shit! Wow!
That's clutch.
I knew we were going to be seeing a lot of Viper. That was a...
That was a bangin' idea.
But we actually see a ban all the time. Also, you look very far to the dip, like that.
Yeah, because I was...
But it's always the drop, so you shouldn't...
I didn't think about it happening during the drop.
I was thinking, like, a Viper gets, you know, a double kill or something,
and you're just... Holy shit, it's Viper, you know?
Okay.
He thought for our head, but not...
Not, not, not... I didn't think about the accurate use of those.
So, next level of this previous level, I guess, exactly, and then looping around a little bit.
Last I recall, Tiny's quite good against Ursa because his Avalanche is now in aura, so the
Ursa status resistance doesn't do shit against the Avalanche.
And obviously, like, cost duration does not get decreased by the Ursa as well, right?
So, I feel like this is just Aurora picking comfort stuff and hoping for the best.
I'm not too sure if that's going to work against the absolute filth that extremist bringing out absolute
And they banned the floaty stuff when you called it. I don't like no storm
Yeah, I mean there's still the queen but Queen is just not the same because you're good in the early game because you can pressure him in lane
Potentially but Tinker just goes back and farm stacks and he scales better than Queen
He farms faster than Queen and he also doesn't interact with the Queen in lane Queen is here
It's very bad at farming neutral creeps especially early on so you want to be able to pressure the guy lane and once thinker six is like
Yeah, peace guys. I'm going to Hawaii and Hawaii in this case is the triangle and he never coming back
No, I nice place to be and I have an idea
Lashrack
for
For Aurora against thinker
Iceman right on Dota buff against thinker. Is it really it is you can run them down and I love it against ringmaster too
How about Timbersaw?
Okay, another pure damage, ground targeted guy, I guess.
Do you think Timbersaw will be played by WS or by Lordal?
I think it's a WS.
So Razor Mid.
I mean, Extreme does have a, like, counterpick to it, essentially, right?
Just run the Beast off, X-XS Beast, counterpick the Timber in the safe lane.
Yeah, I think you could also run Beast in the safe lane.
I think Beast probably beats Timbersaw in lane pretty reasonably.
He's not that good at killing the boars.
Hmm, and I don't think it's good against the axe them either like ringmaster beast is pretty strong lane
They've got options. Oh
New to this day first pick first time ever Wow visage this dream league and we're already at the end of dream league as well
So it's quite amazing to have a new hero this deep into the tournament. Geez and it will be played
By the ex in this I'm gonna call like it is extreme gaming to one
Or if this is toxic man, it's more it's more stuff to TP to you on tinker as well
Like he's got easy ways to connect to the fights. I
I'm very selfish sometimes and to protect my enjoyment of playing don't I really hope extreme loses
Why you don't like this a chicken? I don't like playing against visitors tinker guys. Oh, he's a homie. This here was so bad
bad.
You saw a guy with-
Now somehow, up against me, it's not bad.
Okay.
You have three units rather than one.
They're strength in numbers.
But if it's not bad, why does Extreme pick it here?
I mean, what Jengen said is true.
There's more things to keep the on.
It's more random crap.
And I think, along the lines of the random crap, having more tanky blob dudes is very
good for Tinker.
Like, anytime Tinker's picked, he's the star of the show.
It's all about him.
And so you just pick as many frontliners as you can.
You pick just dudes who can go in.
Tinker will kill literally the whole screen if he gets to press his spells like he wants to so to me
It's just selfless pick and I also think part of it is that it's a cool pick and I just like some part of his brain
Was like you know, I think it's a good visage game. It's like you can we put visage and everyone's like yeah, that's kind of cool
Let's make this I'll say this
I think an amazing hero for abusing the tranquil's is a visage because he likes to go the boots of varying anyways
And then I was just looking at their draft and I was thinking they need a ranged guy because it's against Ursa
And they also need a utility guy and I didn't think of visage, but it absolutely fits the range utility guy
It's not gonna have it might have trouble because it's to Kuro like just is what it is
But I wouldn't be surprised if he goes the trinkets build again and survives the lane and then he's yeah
It does everything quits it what utility does he bring to the table? Oh, he just goes all the aura lads like he buy
He buys the boots of bearing he buys pipe. He's glad they see yeah
I mean not the pipe is that great against this lineup. Yeah, he's probably not gonna buy pipe
But you can you can you can buy
You're gonna have to go to thinker so true true place finger could go pipe as well shoes
I mean not that bad because every hero can go pipe guys. It's definitely I didn't cool down reduction
The finger goes pipe. He might be smoking a pipe sheeps
Very good. I want that so we are you agree with Brian that it's gonna be as favorite towards extreme as he implies
I think so I don't think that visit is like cheeks enough as
would say that they lost the game. I think the addition of also throwing the summons problem,
now you have the bird summons to deal with and it's kind of only timber that deals with them.
In a way, I think that's very annoying and Tinker just wants people to be annoying and
he just gets to do his own thing. It's space for him in the fights and in the early
game too.
What's the last time you played up against Vizic?
Probably recently, but 2013?
Yeah, exactly. When I played it. When he came out. I don't think it's that great, but it does run in and be tanky for tinker
I just don't think visage like snowballs games by any means these days. Tinker versus razor Quinn mid. How are you feeling?
What are we looking at? I don't think it's a great link game
So I think I'll probably go 404 on razor and I think they'll draw and I think you could be very happy with that
So farm it up you'll farm more and I think razors pretty bad against tinker in the game because no job
No job? Hard time.
Who would- because obviously there's a pause in the game, so we got a lot of time.
You gotta somehow have a plan for the tinker. Where are you?
I don't know what's happening. They have stood up.
You stare down?
Now I only get an applause from Stunman, so that's really nice.
You feeling good about that?
Yeah, I think I don't think Tinker is a bad hero by any means. I don't think Visage is a bad hero by any means.
I think together and two wrongs make a right, Quinn.
What is going to be the plan?
What is going to be the plan against Tinker? Because you got to have a plan and we all... like Aurora, you said maybe they've forgotten about the hero?
But surely they have a plan. Do you... got to believe it.
Is the plan raised?
Surely.
Is that his name's Quinn is the plan razor yule's you clearly against tinker you need some sort of
Dispelled yule's is the cheapest one. It's good on razor. What are you gonna do?
Not good against like any of the other heroes. No, it's not but what the fuck are you gonna do against tinker, dude?
Please tell me there's nothing I mean
I honestly think you go like late game like being she was a BKB refresher like all in there's been that's been an
Old build from a razor is to go like blinks she was but you still have the BKB refresher and you're storing yourself in there
I don't think it's going to work, but I think that might be the route he has to go.
And I'm not going to lie, I think the way they win this game is not necessarily through
specific itemization, but I think it's through playing through their safe lane.
They have Ursa J'Kyro against Visage, a hero that is so bad if he dies early.
Like the hero just becomes a feed bot 9000, so I think they rotate Tuss down there early,
they let their Timbersaw vibe it up, Jill do whatever, hee-haw, reactive armor,
and they go gank this Visage and they camp this guy.
They double wisdom rune, and they invade the Tinker's Triangle, they ward it up,
They don't let him farm the Ancients and they play fast.
Quick Dota, because Tinker does not like quick Dota.
Beast Beasts commenced me, that's a good speech.
And does the Timber, how does the Timber do against Beast Master Ringmaster?
I think Timber can...
I think once he's level 3 he can probably be left alone and you're right about Tusk
leaving and healing Visage.
I think maybe, I'll say for me firstly maybe I'm getting too hyped about the Visage
because it's weird, but in reality if you're Visage and you're playing against
4 that really wants to roam. Like you die a couple of times. This year is completely useless.
It's feed central. And then Ursa can lane against him solo. Maybe the supports can then go mid
and then Tinker has a problem because of the visage.
I agree with everything you guys said and I just would like to make the assertion that
I think that Aurora will always be one big mistake from losing the game. Like no matter
how far ahead they are, they can be 10-15k ahead of 20 minutes. I think if they botch
something, like if they take one bad fight, that the second Tinker becomes
difficult to kill on the map the game's like done for that's where I think
they're at I think they're gonna get that lead I think they're gonna try to do
all the things that Quinn said because they've already been invading they've
already been invading the wisdom shrine for most of the tournament so
Vistage and Tinker definitely susceptible to this so I think that
equation set up perfectly for them but in TS Tinker man I'm just I it's
It's 4-0 for a reason.
Is it actually 4-0?
The tinker is here.
The tinker is.
I think it's 4-3 now.
I think it's 4-3.
Burning my eyes.
The air was blowing.
Ah!
I was trying to stare at the camera, but the air was like clogged.
The camera is always gonna win the stare off.
I was gonna fight.
I was gonna fight till the pause ended, but I couldn't do it.
It actually hurt too bad.
It's not necessarily a pause.
I believe there is a rebuild too.
Remake.
Rebuild?
Rebuild.
We'll have a blink of competition with the camera.
Please don't break me.
You blinked!
You blinked!
I was about to tell you first.
You distracted me!
You blinked!
No, I didn't!
Yeah, you did!
We all saw you blink.
It hurts so bad in this room.
Okay, this room, we've been told that because you don't know how you see all the cool
lights.
life you can only see because it's dusty. Not dusty. It's smoky.
Wait, can't you leave this camera on for a second? Leave this camera on for a second.
Luke, smoky.
Kever, tell me honestly, put the camera back. I've been using a hair serum. That stuff
that we got from...
Yeah.
Does that look thicker than before?
Yes, it does.
But I feel like your hair is healthier than it was before anyway.
You're like an asteroid from Manoxabel and...
No, no. It's a... What type of serum is it?
It's a scalp serum.
Oh, don't do me. Come on. That's that's enough. I can tell you the
brand if you want it
Billy Eilish that was such a great album, and I feel like it got overshadowed by the cat meme
It's called press really goes a good song
I'm not I'm not
Looks good
Literally just your hairline like whatever it's called a part. Yeah, the part is different. Yeah, you can zoom in on me
I also have a part
Yep, I want me to zoom in on she repose. I don't know why but sometimes it's like we've we're seeing cameras for the first
Look at that. I'm holding a cool
We do this a lot and sometimes the cameras are just fun. I like camera. It's the beginning of the end
I come on your
Please go to the game, it's actually right this time.
So that's where the sender had taken away it, thank you.
What the fuck was that?
There's nothing in the world that made me feel normal.
What was that? Jesus.
Nothing in the world can make me feel more normal than watching their panels sometimes. That is incredible.
I feel like brain cells were lost.
Great work everybody. Well if they had any left, they would be.
Extreme vs Aurora, game 3 ladies and gentlemen.
We have Tinker Stinker and Vistage...
Vistage.
Vistage.
Interesting hero center nothing to say on the tanker so that can't be that big of a surprise obviously they have that in their wheelhouse
But the xxx visage the first pick of the tournament
Should be an interesting one. Why would they pick it center? Oh the panel? I think they broke it down quite no one was listening to that
Okay, go ahead. What the panel was saying
Was that they were looking for an off-lane ranged hero that buys oras and
There's not that many of them
I think the biggest ones are Viper, Razor, but one was picked, the other's banned.
Then there's Visage. I don't know what else you would choose.
The added benefit is also that you have the familiars to teleport on as Tinker, which is very, very strong.
And you know your lane matchup, which is probably the biggest of deals for this hero in order to pick it in Pro,
is that you need to know what you're dealing with to begin with.
begin with. Visage can sometimes become a major victim in the laning stage. If you get run over
recovery, it's almost impossible. Your hero can't jungle, it can't farm stacks, so the
lanes really need to work out. And you know you're playing against VersaJakira. This
to me is the lane to watch. If Aurora play this very well and they manage to shut down
X-XS, they could win the game off of that a lot. But if they don't manage it
a lot and he just gets to get level 6 unscathed, I think this looks like a
a great lineup for Tinker.
Nightfall playing the Ursa again,
beating a dead horse or a bear in this case.
Thanks for ruining the jokes in there.
Just too fast.
You gotta be quicker on the delivery.
Okay.
Now our audience is all very young people.
They don't have long-term-
I think this counts as a bird.
That's close enough.
Yeah.
Just making sure that button still works.
It was not working during the panel,
so I was trying to spam it.
when he presses his ult.
Yeah, that's true.
That's with Gargoyle.
Now, is he playing the
facet where you don't need to
control your
your Gargoyles?
That would be really funny.
But no, he has
Death Toll, which is what everybody takes.
X for gold when you get kills with Toll Assumption.
I still see one
misclicked on this game.
Sadly, there's not enough Vistage Games for that
to actually occur.
That's what that facet's even called.
like a night just never see a auto chest faithful followers yeah good they just
follow you around you don't need to play the game anymore honestly the lichen
one I think was a successful facet when we don't show your wolves yeah it was
strong enough that it was useful sometimes I've not even talked about
I'm just saying in general, this is one I just haven't seen, even in pubs, as we have Ex-Nova stuck inside the Shars, Mira, and WS both level 2.
And Ex-Nova is going to get first blood because he is only level 1.
He even tried to counteract this by starting with boots, but so did Tusk.
Therefore he can stick on target with the tag team.
I could start down bottom for Aurora and this, I haven't talked about this so much, but
a lane matchup that used to be very Timbersaw favored, Timber versus Beast.
I think this has changed with the way Beast has played nowadays and after he got reworked
a little bit.
Um, with the talk with Dive Bomb and such, I'm talking about the older version that
was an auto-win lane for Timber, it was mega easy.
Still would say Timber should do great here.
This is not a lane where WS should be punished much by the spring master.
And finally mid lane, Razor versus Tinker.
Imagine Razor will win the lane slightly, but then Tinker's just gonna go jungle largely
at level 6.
And Panel's kind of talking about this because of the defense matrix.
Obviously somebody needing to counter that at some point in the game because it feels
in the right game it feels super busted.
Yeah, nullifier, it feels like it's just required for Nightfall this game at some point, unless Razor wants to pull something out of his pocket.
I mean, it's a double dip. You also get it against the box, right? You have to buy it.
Yeah, that's true, so...
Yeah, I would agree. Get it on Ursa.
I think if Timbersaw is having an insane game, he can buy it, actually.
Because when Timber is tanky enough and has a good enough game,
in theory the hero could buy literally any item and make it work.
As long as you have it like a kaiosan, so you have enough mana, and then you have enough tankiness to go in.
You can buy whatever the team needs whether that's a hex which we see sometimes nullifiers a lot rarer
Of course, I'll make some big damage here with the tag team should be okay though
You know excellent over there with a little whip action. WS pops the stick more than healthy though
The fact that I'm a explain the Beastmaster. Oh unusual, right?
Yeah, he definitely plays it though, but not if not one of his it's not the hero
I think of with him at all but of course this here has been so hotly contested you can play him in any lane at
this point that's not really a hero you connect with any carry player right
because of how little of its lifetime it's been relevant in that position
true I'd say if you think about history the first five players that come to mind
for you on Beastmaster are probably all offline players because it's just been
now when I think about history I think of the Roman civilization I see
Yeah, understood
Who played Beastmaster named should roam hmm, which off laner
It's a good question Alexander the Great
That's why I get to toss off
Yeah, well actually and you can see this whole assumption doing work here is why this hero is gonna be a trade
But this is why this hero has been
Such a good laner throughout the entire history it feels like of inter-existence.
True.
This hero would have probably been a hit back then too.
It kind of looks like a...
Yeah, it's something that can handle the arena, I feel like the Colosseum.
On my tag team again, the whirling deck doing a lot of damage.
Nice dodge with the snowball.
Adelanche slows them down though.
FY just in time.
Ori, though, comes in with the dual breath, but it is Mira that gets hit in the back of the head with a tree
His WS continued to get low. The Axis continuing to stack
X Nova
will attempt to pursue a better, at least force WS out. The Axis do not hit this time though
Doesn't have timber chain, so this is gonna be an annoying getaway for him
That was really really nice for both teams. Perfect snowball dodge on the win
and then perfect timing for FY to show up with a clutch avalanche toss combination.
Get the better of it, do extreme, they survive and get the singular kill.
Now, this mid lane is kind of over. I think Tinker can just play the map.
If he wants to be mid, he can. Let's see the replay here.
Can't really put a finger on this. This is more or less perfect from both teams.
And Ami going for those axes, I love that.
That he turned around and threw those axes during the avalanche, knew his limits.
Just min-maxing the damage.
Yep, no reaction as always.
Spocused eyes on the prize.
I suspect you could be giving an interview right now with that reaction.
Nightfall level 5 in this top lane.
Yep.
I would say Mission accomplished for X-XS almost already.
Third on net worth, they're letting him take the out, excuse me, the wisdom which I very much agree with.
If I could pick one off lane hero in the game to give this to, it would be this.
Give this to the XP, ensure that level 6 at the expense of Ringmaster, it'll be worth it, or a tiny.
Those birds up and runnings, you can play the map.
He's also a great gate hero.
Do you think Amé...
I wouldn't have to hold that thought, actually.
Ex Nova.
Okay, they come.
Amira gets the tag team, but the whoopee cushion for Ex Nova.
He's fine. FY5, a nice double avalanche.
The snowball though.
Reserve for FY.
WS has his Chakra, but he's taking a lot of damage with a solo assumption
from downtown into a primal roar from Amé,
but Nightfall did have his ult activated.
Status resist going to work, but
now that it's over, getting blocked by his creeps,
Another solo assumption might do it very closely. He will live unless the axes get they do
Ami from downtown again, Lornoff the very least kept the trade
This is turning the good old-fashioned team fight at eight minutes
The box not gonna save him for too long ex-nova. No more whoopee cushions where that came from
Lornoff ends up saving the day for Aurora
Yeah
Nothing to say. It's playing tinker. So
He'll show up in 10 minutes. He's busy farming every item he needs.
If this were just somehow reached level 6 here, this would have been totally different.
He's super close but not quite enough experience.
These axes are nice though from Ame, but a good rotation from Lauren off will
eventually turn this into a BOOM!
I want to say slight Aurora favorite, maybe?
Maybe it's so close for the heart to tell, right?
Because, you know, the tinker in the meantime was also just
free farming.
More action, it seems.
Mira looks to be dead.
What level is he?
Level five at nine minutes.
Mira, that's, I think, a record for this tournament.
Genuinely, he's usually level three at this point.
That's no way that's.
I'm not even kidding.
That's no way it's a record for him.
Well, obviously, maybe for this tournament it is.
Are you kidding me?
I'm not kidding.
It is pretty hard to be level 6 minute 9.
The games that we've cast, I think this is his record.
I know exactly where you're coming from.
Yeah, maybe it's a tie at least.
It is hard to be level 6 minute 9
as position 4 on this patch.
It just is.
Yeah, it's like level 2 or 3, usually.
Yeah, that's also hard.
I think it's a different direction there.
Nothing to say, I haven't talked about him too much
because he's playing tinker-stinker.
What's the build on this hero, Kaia, Link, into what?
What do you get this game trying to think?
I mean, you definitely want Shivos, without question.
You want to put Ursa to the hand, the Razor, and Agged, Mandatory when you're playing Midtinker.
So I guess those two items in some order, depending on his perspective,
he wants a defensive item like DKB, I think, or Linkens.
I'm surprised we've barely seen this hero this time, but I think Tinker is super good
at this patch, but very few players seem to.
It's either that the mid players aren't specialized enough, or that they don't like the playstyle
it imposes on your team, but I do truly believe in Tinker being an S tier mid pick, late
in drafts and we're saving mid-pins for last alive they don't even do that with
this I picked a third I think
in this game
true
Lornaugh focusing on the greaves for the Razor
obviously the aggs but he's getting dope right now
snowball hits this should be an easy one
especially with Lornaugh coming in with that plasma field
No cancellation for that TP, so nothing to stay a-shall.
Live on.
Wait, how did he kill Mira?
Did he stay in the march?
Yes, he got clicked by the march and got it.
Okay.
Okay.
That's...
trading there is...
not bad for Xtreme in a 4v1 where Tinker arrives after the kill, basically.
Alright.
They got the tower though, which was the main part of this play.
Now I'm sure they want to look at Mid with Jacarro.
Standard by the book plays from Kaori. Take one tower, either you stack or go to the next tower.
It will be the stacking first.
I'm sure he'll protect the 12 minute bottom rune and then start thinking about Mid or the Roman Empire.
Well that's always on the mind for which one he thinks about first.
Always back in the mind of most men at least.
Speaking of men, let me talk about Amé for a moment.
Do you think that he has emotion, or do you think he doesn't show it on camera?
Speaking of men, do you think he has emotion?
It's like the biggest stereotype sense in jacobos.
Just to answer the question, it reminds me of an NBA player on the Suns actually named
Devin Booker who actually has a personality but he refuses to show it on camera for some
reason.
So how do you know he has one?
Because you see it like in, I guess you do see it on camera but it's not intended.
He doesn't know he's on camera.
I was about to say how do you think this is an instance that does not have to be
with camera?
Oh you just visit him.
Yeah.
We're friends.
He knows I'm a big Sunsman.
What do you call him, Big D?
No, that's more Jenkins thing.
Hmm.
FY is going to scare Nightfall.
Nobody around, literally just smoking mirrors,
looking big and strong and tiny, ironically.
And now he's going to start his farm.
This is fun to watch.
The things you have to do when you play with Tinker, you're just like, oh well,
guess I'm going on an offensive scare tactics mission.
Siege continues, K.O.R.
Like the pilot on the board.
Xenova trying to defend a bit, poking with the knives.
Nothing to say comes in, though, nice, ice path slowing them up.
But the Wheel of Wonder, reserved for the Jekiro,
and that's gonna be an easy pick off for Xenova and company.
Now they can turn this into a tier one all likelihood we got a sage kaia now for nothing to say.
Now the birds going to work.
So what are the auras that we're going today on?
Zivvishich has the booth of bearing to start.
Roar though.
Onto the timber stop, pure damage from that laser snowball going to mitigate a little bit of the damage
but he's continuing to get rooted thanks to those hawks
and eventually Ex Nova, how did he get the kill?
Maybe with the max.
He's dot, yeah.
His max health per second damage is actually quite useful
against Timbersaw, a lot of damage, for sure.
What do we go on Visage?
I mean, he's got bongo boots, I guess he'll.
Like the panel talked about some auras
might not be the best here.
Like, pipe isn't that great.
So maybe AC and Vlad's or, OK,
He's queuing up the Sheeva's first. Interesting. I thought they were gonna reserve that for Tinker.
But, yeah. I wouldn't mind seeing them by two of them anyway.
I think Sheeva's is just that good at this game.
No, Ami. K.O.R.I. finds him in the jungle.
They're gonna try to turn this around, but Ami's the big kill.
The box is gonna stay him for the time being. K.O.R.I. will have to sacrifice himself as the rest of Aurora.
Well, thought they were gonna back away, but WS shows up now.
Next, though, the likely just be the Trey trying to deny to the Golem's not gonna happen, though.
In the meantime, though, X-XS does take the mid tower, so extreme.
I think an even gold game right now is very nice for them. I definitely favor them.
I've seen enough NTS Tinker games in games where he doesn't have, like, any clear cut counter.
This is definitely something that they would feel comfortable with.
There is to see what Lorna is going to do.
He's going the pipe into Greaves, or rather vice versa, Greaves into pipe.
How are Aurora going to play the tempo?
Can you breach high ground?
Can you take objectives before it's potentially too late here?
You could say that something like BKB is very valuable against Beast and Tinkax,
hoping to get overwhelmed.
Aurora is going to find a little pick off here in FY, but this is all while Roshan being
attempted from Extreme and I don't think Aurora are remotely aware of this or if they are,
know that they cannot contest.
Aame gets the Aegis, has the Aghanim Scepter as well, so he's hitting a pretty nice power
spray.
I mean this is a lot of tempo.
It's a double whammy, because you take this away from the Ursa as well.
Yeah, it feels like Nightfall has gotten one Aegis in the last three games on Earth, though.
I feel like they might be overrating the hero based on earlier success they had, and now that it's getting countered more...
Might need to diversify a little bit further, but we'll see if I'm going to eat those words in 20 minutes.
Or seconds?
Well, that would be...
He needs to do a lot in 20 seconds.
Just killing some creep camps, that's really changing my mind a lot.
All right, smoke coming up, tinker worth noting.
Just out levels everyone. That's just the hero.
He's level 15, almost 16 at 17 minutes.
Yeah, that's a dirty hero right there.
So, already has the laser talent for 50 additional damage
and he is closing in on Aggs.
He's about halfway there, I believe.
Maybe a bit more actually.
Yeah, that Aggs is a gigantic power spike
against the Timbersaw and Ursa's of the world.
X-XS will pick up the Shard, you know, his stone form.
Really, really strong item to have against Ursa,
who's a hero that's so dependent on getting his kills quickly.
Effectively cocooning and self-stunning yourself for that duration is...
Oh wait, it works differently now, no?
The Shard?
I'll hold that thought.
I'll still be safe, never mind.
I have a line that's gonna find K-O-R-8 laser to finish the job, nothing to say, with his second kill, 202, scoreline, and I don't know, I know it's only a 1K lead, and they have Aegis, but this feels like the game state that Extreme would have wanted if you asked them before the game started, like it feels like a lot of things are aligning for them.
Wait, am I tripping?
The tempo pushing here.
Wait, this is the first game of Visage, we see all tournament, right?
I feel like I'm am I missing anything about the start here
That's where it was your HP right yeah, do you not turn into a statue?
Now you tell me so you're the analyst
Arora.
Am I, am I, am I having a...
Ready to count?
What's going on?
Amé, the focus, getting it, the Arora off, but that's a full static link right on top
of him, and he's dead, that's life number one.
Nightfall.
Gets the kill onto X Nova.
Do they have more in the back?
Arame, absolutely!
The Timbersaw completely shreds him.
The rest of Extreme now on the exit.
The moment I praise them, Arora absolutely dumps through this fight.
Decisive move, and Ursula of course.
of course, immediately after we've been unimpressed.
That's a couple of kills, but we will say nothing to say,
it didn't have axe there syndrome.
That's the excuse.
That's true.
Pour up some copium water for that.
I can hear it on my mic every time.
It's not in my hair.
There's no voices.
Look at this, just very quick.
Get in there, they get the first out
and you can see that Extreme
Extreme are not expecting a response, it looks like. Tinker TP's in this late.
P-Smasters basically get twice over before NTS gets to connect and they just have to...
Cut their losses, lose three heroes and don't even get the tower. They don't get any value out of their Aegis.
Just like I was saying, Aurora, the game state that is about right now, they're very happy with Cinderant.
Beginning of the game, they would have been thrilled with having a 3K lead.
Getting the Tormentor is obviously a great boon, they get it to un-failery, he was not planning to buy it this game by the looks of it, he's going to go for it by the way. Or Jules, Jules first, against Tinker.
That flying company find themselves a tusk mirror actually blinks out.
Oh, that's enough.
Ami jumping in very deep gets off the roar, but look at the chock-room damage.
They pop the pipes and mitigate a lot of this damage.
He's already dead.
Ami down and out, but a big wheel of wonder into a whip, into a laser, nightfall, not
tanky at all.
And now they're going to turn their sights to the Razor, double kill per X-X, so like
I was saying, Extreme, if he gave them this game state, the beginning of the
game, they would have taken it every time.
Let's see how far this curse goes.
It was just a 4 for 1, and now it's another one, but flip flop.
That was honestly those pristine spell castings. Look at the details that's coming in now.
The Blinkroar from Ami, he needs to have the confidence that his team is backing him up,
because he's basically killing himself with this engagement.
But he sets up for multiple turnier laces. Look at this toss, keeping the Earth's
like in the Wheel of Wonder.
Really sick.
And then Warp Flare, very fun.
Warp for one.
Yeah, I will say the new design for Tinker, I don't necessarily mind it as much as the old one.
I think I prefer it actually, if I could think about it.
I'm not a big fan of the Shard though, I'm going to see the Avalanche toss back into the whip.
They have so much sunlock, the pipe is activated though, but the laser is going to mitigate or go through all of that.
Double laser in fact X nova again somehow steals the kill from his tinker
The shard seems insane to me as you're looking at patch notes. It looks like you're just goop. You're just browsing
I thought I was a web house out of my mind about misreading the graves keepers club
You can still stun yourself. Good. Okay. I was like what's happening?
It doesn't say anything about it again. It does but the wording is just kind of convoluted, right?
but I
Yeah. It's okay.
Glad we got that cleared up.
That was important to me. I was... confused.
More or less dead even in gold, which of course means Tinker is four levels ahead of everyone.
So he hits his 20 talent now on nothing to say it.
Chooses the same talent he seems to take every time, which is lower Keen Conveyance Challenge.
channel times now 2.5 seconds down from 3 might sound weak for a 20 talent but
considering you do this non-stop the whole game the total efficiency gain and
the ability to just connect to fights half a second faster is a big deal
oh why close to that both but he won't get the big one toss nothing to say gonna
try to stack up these lasers gets the root yeah he's not going anywhere this
shard is what do you think about sure
in what way do i think it's good or do i think it's fun
like to be in the game
and this is the
my main complaint about the hero actually
it's probably the shard
the rest is okay
back in the day i don't know what's actually done
like the old hex days where you're just hexing somebody
like that was miserable
so we have definitely come a long way from that point
yeah this is a new chain hex
but at least now it's only a route
runs in the army
This isn't a rage.
The tanker stinker on the way, laser, nightfall.
Gets off the enrage as he attempts to run.
Pass the pop to BKB.
Lornoff with a zoning plasma field
to save his big, bad bear,
not looking so bad as of the last few minutes.
That seemed a bit like a game of chicken
where nightfall was yours.
He already does get off the ice path,
stole assumption, okay.
That's the timbersaw.
That is Timbersaw.
That's Timbersaw.
WS.
I won't be able to find a connection here.
Mira is on this side of the map.
Oh, bad timing on the art.
They have a Tinker, so they'll get them.
Extreme.
Looking a lot more coordinated now.
Why is no one else playing Zero?
Yeah, it does look good, Duncan.
There are other players in this tournament that can play Zero.
As well as this guy, I'll say that NTS is very much a hero specialist, but I'm sure there's
a bunch of heroes that are better than people think right now.
I would also think this hero speaks to a lot of mid players, because it's just nonstop
pressing buttons, which they love to do.
There's no downtime.
Constant.
Action. In the jungle. Very cool. Oh, yeah.
Non-stop dopamine, as Jenkins would say.
XXS finishes off his Shiva's finally.
Yep. An all-man company in the pit. He's got his blank BKB AGs.
Nothing to say. It went for staff, actually. I don't know if you mentioned that.
Nope, interesting.
And of course I mentioned the old days with hacks and methods, he's killing up now.
Alright, I really thought he would look at a more defensive item than Forstaff here, but
maybe it feels like he doesn't need the Linkens or BKB that is generally part of a, say, 4-5
item tinker kit.
Or the Shiva, at least, right?
Like you're buying none of them.
Here.
defensive item, except for Steph. It's quite unusual. But hey, if he feels like he's not
in trouble then he doesn't need the item, then it's just a waste of gold. Beastmaster's
gonna front line for him, Visage is. This was what Quinn was talking about on the panel
when you're playing Tinker, you just want bodies in front of you, you just need time.
Given enough time this hero win fights, and Visage puts Steve on Beastmaster with
XBKB. And, yeah. That'll buy you enough time. Even tiny as a support is also quite tanky.
You can also go in and buy some time with jewels. All of it's just diversion. And now, on the
dire side, two BKBs completed between the Ursa and the Timber, and you would imagine Razor,
yeah, he's about to pick up his as well. So the triple timing. Mandatory item against Tinker.
Can't really play without it
Is it gonna be enough though you have to do a lot during these if you don't win fights during bkbs
It's 10,000 gold down the drain and you are going to lose
Yes, oh quick blink, but Ami is there. Oh quick change or not in time. Wow
Actually, but out of that
Mommy wants to use this ages
Because they know that Kaori is in the area, Shivas will give a little vision, but no stun
in sight.
The wave doesn't elaborate and leaves.
That's a true support right there.
Seems a bit, a little bit right now like a bit of a checkmate situation currently for
Aurora where they don't really want to initiate, but they also don't want to be initiated
on.
trying to dodge everything, waiting to ideally get this nullifier on Ursa, which is in the works,
okay, might fall a thousand away. This would be
probably the best time in the game for them to take a fight.
It's right when that comes up, especially given the item build of nothing to say with, as we mentioned, only four-staff is defensive item.
Means he can't get out while he's nullified.
Can't get boxed.
Probably just all in him with your BKBs at that point.
Yeah, which will mean that he will just buy a BKB himself.
Probably, but then you at least make him do that.
Which, kind of the same logic as I've talked about previously in this tournament,
is that against Puck, that buying an Orchid against Puck has the inherent value of making Puck spend gold on Yule's or BKB.
Yep, and you want to slow this hero down, so...
Oh, Mira.
What have we found?
Is it chillin'?
Extreme 2 minutes on the Aegis.
Imagine they want to take at least the top tier tier to unlock the outpost.
Ami is going to start on that.
And now there's the nullifier, but now Ami almost has Butterfly, so then that's a different
problem for the first one.
And they smell them in the trees.
It is a tusk, after all, to stay there forever.
What if they added smell to games somehow?
Yeah you had a good idea how to do that. Well you need to invent it. Smell-o-vision, that's a thing.
Smell-o-vision. That's actually a thing, yeah, for movies.
Yeah. Oh you mean like 4D theaters? Yeah. That's what most people call them, not smell-o-vision.
Smell-o-vision! Not a firelight on the tinker, this is the reveal! Static link on him as well, nothing to say dead!
There it is. His 4x kill streak has ended 90 seconds of no tinker stinker.
The ultimate hubris will punish him. I am invincible. I don't need PKB.
He instantly gets null if I'm killed.
Is he queuing one up now?
No, he's queuing up Lincoln's though.
I feel like this hex was overkill, to be honest.
I don't think it was necessary.
They have so many stuns already.
Was that an army? Really a requirement?
I could kill him twice here. This is going to be Aegis.
There are a couple TPs coming, but they have pretty good positioning. Remember, no Tinker here, but a nice
wheel of wonder on the two heroes with the roar to follow, and the Axis Razor's dead. WS pops a BKB.
He gets the Timber Chain. Will he live though? Yes. Just barely. Actually, he hits them on the back of the head from global range, apparently.
So somehow they win this fight 4v5.
Without their strongest hero, they didn't need him. They just needed heroes to show up to Beast Masters, Aide
and a beautiful wheel
from Exnova. I've been very impressed with his ringmaster playing this tournament, the couple of games we've seen it.
I think personally it's one of the hardest spells to cast in all of Dota. Yeah
And he's making it look easy consistently. I think the average wheel of wonder in a pro game is like one hero. Yeah, maybe.
Yeah, maybe one hero. Yeah, it might be less than one.
He's been getting two, I mean one of them was because the toss back helped him out, but still nice art.
Yep, once you're rooted, it's only a matter of time, Avalanche will secure it.
No.
I mean he's dead. Surely.
Okay.
Surely he's dead, yeah.
That's why he bought the hex.
That's right.
That was really important there.
Hey, make it sound like it's not a great item.
Of course it just hasn't mattered.
Nightfall solos, the Tormentor, so Mira gets the shard, but on the other side, we have Aurora and a laser, and a dead Timbersaw to show for it.
And now the high ground attempt for Xtreme with a 7k lead.
Hortification activated.
As Ami now has his butterfly, he feels invincible with the defense matrix applied as well.
That's 60 seconds left, Timbersaw. I genuinely cannot see Aurora defending here.
They give up this lane, the problem is they can go for top as well, that Tier 2 is dead.
45 seconds, can you delay that long, or does Extreme even try for it? Doesn't look like it.
It's still a minute and a half away from knowing when Rosh spawns though.
That's a really nice smash and grab, like we just took one kill into a full lane in 20 seconds.
And they leave unscathed.
They still keep control of the map though. This is one of the luxuries you have with Tinker, which is so incredible
is you can play a Spore non-stop.
It's kind of when it's a Spectre patch, and Spectre is good.
That's also why it feels so difficult to recover when you're behind against the hero.
Aside from the fact that it scales so well, it can just play everywhere it wants on the map.
I feel like it's kind of true for Dombricker, but the difference is you need somebody to initiate
on you or them for you to use it, whereas Tinker he can be the one to initiate,
teepies on you and he starts the show.
Yeah, and you can connect on any type of situation with Dawn you kind of want the
ulti to make sense as well. Spectre it's just you know hot just global, you just go there
and Tinker I mean he is going to be a part of every play until this game ends
because it's so easy.
I'll always be there.
What are they doing up there?
They're waiting for the Torment 8 minutes to go.
Are they confused by the timing?
He's not trying to catch here.
I mean, they did get a kill while that was going down, so maybe they didn't even notice,
but did you find a jikiro in the jungle? Easy pick-off.
I mean, it's kind of process of elimination.
If you look at the radiant wards on the map, they're kind of covered most of the right-hand side.
They have the high ground ward here, and they have the one below in the lane.
so you just eliminate spots from where the enemy team can be and then you want to
go top because they have to farm right so you will eventually find something and
they did it wasn't the best target but it's more of course every kill is better
than normal when you have visage it's a hundred eighty extra gold every time it adds up
there it is okay well he's switched to bkb good luck to a raw 25 tinker six
slots oh he gets the hacks on to the okay they do get a nice snowball knife
over with the bkb overpowers away that's a big bkb down though and the pipe
expended they get the ules onto the razor though and they find the
connection the shards are actually making this a little bit more difficult
He's gonna nightfall away. He's successful. That's two BKBs down, the toss back onto the Timbersaw stuck in place WS and half HP
Nothing to say just gonna continue to rain lasers from above and WS cannot move
He has to BKB and retreat as well. Michael jumps in. He doesn't have really much to work with. He gets out of the ledge. He gets
Bursted! 80 seconds of no-bear now. Lorinoff extremely low as well.
No! Aume with a double kill, make it a triple! It's a full team wipe! Extreme just win this game now!
Good lord!
They call GG, they know it's over, so Extreme take it 2-1, which means Syndran has cursed them again with a prediction.
How many in a row is that?
I give up.
It's a skill at this point.
I am actually, I am the worst.
Congrats to Xtreme and now that puts Aurora at 3 and 3, can you believe it?
After the way all of this started out, yeah.
They have to be...
This is when it gets really difficult and when you need to dig deep is when you've fairly lost the series for months.
And now you lose 3 back to back against some of the world's elite teams
and you know that your next series is super important to keep you in the tournament.
They have to figure out what the solutions are, but Xtreme Gaming, they know what they're good with.
with. This was a very convincing victory to me. I love the draft. I wonder, going further
in this tournament, if Xtreme makes Stage 3, which it seems quite likely at this point,
if they make it there, if Tinker is actually something they're willing to overall first
pick and then start ban encounters, because if you're the only team that plays it, and
you're this good with it, dare the enemy teams to find the solutions for you.
Yeah, that is true. Tinker Stinker makes his appearance cheaper, and it was good.
Yeah, that was very good, actually. Now we see why Aurora banned it for the first two games.
They should have probably done that for Game 3 as well, but alas for them, they fall here, do extreme gaming,
and this was, I will just, I think the visage was good, but it could have been a lot of other heroes as well.
Yeah, I mean it was kind of the Tinker show to be honest. Every time you see that hero, it's the Tinker show, NTS.
I think he is the best Tinker in the world. Every time we play this team, we first phase ban Tinker because it's actually just too scary.
Every time we play against him once every six months, we get, oh, you can stop and we're like, okay, never again.
We first phase ban for the next six months. It was insane. I wasn't even the one who was most pissed. Ace is always more pissed than me.
Holy crap, this guy's Tinker is good. And I mean he shows here why.
Yeah, I think it's important like you mentioned Vistage could have been any
other hero. I think it's really important that his hero is not meant to be the
star of the show. Like he's just meant to be some utility-enabling guy and those
summons allowing NTS to TP to fight before being leveled to 18 absolutely
puts him online earlier than he otherwise would be. So not only is NTS a
god-tier tinker player but they obviously understand very well how to
enable it in the most effective way possible. This is a funny fight by
By the way, I love a fight like this where clearly both teams understand that Tinker is
the star of the show, and so Iraq forces the fight there, but then still, it's like, oh
shit, we are still dealing with a Beastmaster, which is a very strong, potentially overpowered
hero, Tiny is still effective.
They still win the fight without Tinker.
He had just finished his butterfly on Beastmaster, literally bought at the shop as they
went on him, and you see Nightfall hitting him, and there's that realization moment
where it's like I don't I'm not doing anything yeah that was nice I loved it
extreme understood the assignment with tinker I mean obviously if you have NTS
on your team you need to have players that are okay with picking these heroes I
think people questioned if this was going to be possible with on a on the
team when like this iteration of the roster came to be because on May is
almost always the star of the show but in this game like he took he took
the sideline quite nicely. He just ran in and tanked for NTS and obviously they've done
it time and time again with Tinker, but it's nice to see them in very good form.
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think it's always cool when we're chanted as well, to be honest.
I think everybody roots for them. Even at TI's and stuff, whenever you get knocked
out, you always root for a Chinese team because you don't really know them that
well. So it doesn't hurt whenever they win because it's not like...
That's the reason!
Yes, that's actually the reason. Every single team roots for Chinese teams and they
get eliminated. Like, literally all...
I thought they all were rooting for the team that eliminated them so they can claim that they've got second place.
No, you're rooting for the team that you know the least, so it hurts the least that they win TI.
Burnup, I will say it is extra cool, obviously, to see Xtreme do well,
knowing that it's going to be Shanghai at the end of the year for the international as well, so...
That's pretty cool if there's a home crowd to root for you, so we want that.
We all want that. I think everybody is a fan of that.
And to be honest, after a game like this, how can you not be a fan of extreme gaming?
I did hear you guys say you thought the series is mostly draft related. Brian, you made that point on the way here?
Yeah, that was one of that was one of that we always try to make our predictions like after the draft saying like what team we're favoring and a
Lot of the last few days I feel like we've been commonly saying yes
6040 like leaning towards this team
But that was I don't know that was weird because whatever it's the best of three and all three games feel draft decided
But one team wins one draft and the other team wins two
It's I mean at the end of the day it's not only because the drafts were good on one side
But it was also like oh, yeah, that's an Aurora drafter. Oh, yeah, that's an extreme gaming draft
So we're also very confident that they're going to be able to execute when we see these heroes
Yeah, the tinker to be fair. I feel like a lot of
I feel like maybe you go quiet and I
Get to talk to none other than not to say hello. Congratulations. Also jinn here for the translation
congratulations on the series first of all and
And my first question is how certain were you that this was going to be a victory with a tinker on board?
I got an X when I caught the TK.
Joey didn't have a sword, so I picked Joey's sword.
I wouldn't say that we were super confident at the moment of picking Tinker,
because we picked it on the 6th and 7th pick,
and the other team had like two picks to immediately counter us.
But, you know, the draft turned out that way, so it was a pretty favorable performance.
It was very favorable. Of course, at the end of the draft,
you got your hands on the visage.
This was the first business that we saw, this Dream League, and I was hoping you could tell me who's call it was and what the general thought process was then.
You guys chose a dead dragon at the end of the game. This is your first time, your first battle against this hero.
Who chose this dead dragon at the end of the game?
What was the last pick for you?
Well, it was the last pick for us, and it was our position 3 hero.
So it boiled up to a decision between Endigma and Tinker,
because we knew that the other team had a very very strong link combo in HRSA and JeffHero.
So most midi position trees wouldn't survive that lane.
So it came down to those two heroes and access made the call to pick this age.
Awesome. Thank you for that insight. I would love to have some more insight of you.
I was hoping you could describe for me because we talk about you guys is playing games a lot
and we have a lot of different ways of describing the way you play.
But I was hoping you could tell us how you would describe your style, and not just your for yourself, but like the team extreme gaming style of Dota 2 that you're playing.
and what is the style of your entire team?
I personally think it's more comfortable to play against the heroes.
The team needs this kind of team, so I think it's more comfortable to play against the heroes.
But if I choose to play against the heroes, it might be a bit strange.
Personally, I'll say that I'm more of a temple-oriented mid, or rather at least I feel like I played
better on those temple-oriented heroes.
In terms of team, I'll say that our team also needs me on those kind of heroes.
If I end up picking a farming mid, then our playstyle, our general game plan tends
to go haywire, and the games tend to not go so well.
So yeah.
I'd love to hear that insight. I also have Brian who has a question for you.
Yeah, hey, I know as a tinker specialist something that fascinates me about players that are
Specialists on heroes like a change so often is you know, wondering how to keep up with the hero if it feels like it's the same hero
Throughout the whole time that you've played it and I'm just curious what your favorite
iteration of tinker is throughout all of dota and how it compares like how much you like it compared to the current tinker
I want to ask you, because of TK, especially the players who have some special heroes as a team,
like TK, there are often big changes in the version every time.
It's like you have to learn a new hero completely, whether it's a skill change or a lot of changes happen in the same version.
Which version of TK do you like the most?
I will say that my favorite iteration of Tinker is the old Tinker where you can refresh your items and then you have the homing rockets as well.
It just feels good to be able to spam everything, all your spells, all your items constantly and nuke the entire enemy team from afar.
That being said, regarding question about how we adapt to massive changes every single patch,
it's mostly just practice and pubs. And sometimes you run into other players who pretty much are
primarily only play thinker and then you get owned by them a couple of times and then you
start learning from them. So learning through losses mostly. Awesome, thank you. Thank you for
taking the time to talk to us and for all the insight on this lead, Jin. Thank you for
where the translation is just here.
And good luck tomorrow against Falcons.
Come on, it's loud.
Thank you.
With that also, we still have one series to go through.
And that is also Falcons.
Against ParaVision after a break.
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Dream League season 28 is brought to you by DHL and Chex.
Hello everybody, welcome back to another season or another episode.
Another season of Dream League 28 series coming up.
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you guys.
It is Dream League season 28. It's an upcoming series and Falcons are going to be playing it.
And their series yesterday, they played against Thunder and they had a bad time, but they were trying some cool stuff, so...
Let's... The music's already going, let's go. Let's... Let's play. Okay, Mallory's playing near the power room, which looks great.
He's got this blink dagger. He went this...
Greaves build, which you might be like, oh, Greaves, weird. Well, what he wants to do is he wants to dispel himself.
He used the Illusion already.
But the problem is that they have Giga Disables that he's going to have to deal with.
He has to deal with here the steering chains. He's got to deal with the flow from coddle
He's got to deal with inspeable and eventually he's like all right. This is too much
I'm just gonna press greed and that's gonna heal him in this phone
But the second that happens BZM puts a spirit vessel on him
This is just like how lush our cast to play these fights
It doesn't look very fun and frankly it looks like a big distance gauge for falcons at this point now
We don't have any juice. He's gonna have to pop three bottle charges
But in this moment Peter gets a he gets power hungry. He's like I'm a razor
I can kill any hero in the game, which is not true in this case. He does almost nothing
He doesn't proc on 3-3, snaking tries to back him up in his bad play and this leads to like a big wipe
And let's take a look at what the Lestrak is doing the upper right at the same period. He's bottling up
He's getting higher in HP and he thinks this is a really good time to go in, which it kind of is
He sees three heroes together, but the problem is there's supposed to be a ravage. Watch the tide here
He gets nightmared on the backline
So the second that Lestrak goes in he gets pushed away and there's gonna be no ravage
So basically, he just doesn't even get to do the AWE damage he was expecting.
There's no ravage, and he's not layering damage.
And now Kroppin is like, this is not a good time to ravage.
And then he just ends up dying.
So it's just kind of a catastrophic teamfight for the Falcons.
And the problem is that afterwards they immediately give Roshan.
That's not a good thing for them either.
And the game continues.
We're going to see Pier pushing the tier 2 tower with a 4k advantage because that
last teamfight did not go so well.
And look how Falcons set this up.
They're going to keep you nearby.
They're going to smoke near.
And they're going to approach going for the support first, which is a great start.
They kill him, but at the exact same time, look at this tide here, he's already been broken from the Silver Edge that's bought really early
and he gets hit by these silences, it just kind of keeps spinning and silencing him.
And he's hit by steering chains, like by the time the silence comes back, he's already dead.
So that's two fights in a row they weren't able to pair the ravage together.
The Lesser Egg struggled to get in the fight because Skidder felt something like he had to dive.
And these two team fights, maybe in addition to their less than ideal picks, completely lost on the edge.
This is a tough one for Falcons. They tried some different stuff. It didn't go so good against
Tundra here, and they will see if they can have better chances in the upcoming series.
No problem. That was great. Let's see it again.
Thanks, Purge.
Thanks, Purge. Yep, it is a good breakdown.
I will also say they obviously have an extra honey cat for playing with the stunnet. I am for one.
Oh, are these cookies? Holy crap.
Don't eat them! The moment you eat a cookie, the challenge is over. Speaking of-
That's not true. I know the rules good speaking of challenges. We have to make a stack of the cookies
That's why we have so many but we will do so in between game one and two in the series
Do you want to see a little bill? Did you have something to tell Kevin? Yeah, Kevin
How much I know you you spend a lot of time
Preparing for the tips and obviously watching the games, but how much time do you spend watching us?
Say a lot I'm hanging leave the hotel till 8 p.m. So you saw the video. I did see it
I would love to see it again though. Yeah, we're gonna see it again
Not that video!
That's exactly what I wanted to see.
That's exactly what I wanted to see.
Live me bicariously.
Don't think about the cookies.
Those cookies were mine.
That was for fun.
You don't have much food, I need to get those out of my mouth.
That was a lot of saliva.
Wow, that's not video I thought was going to play, but that's okay.
No cookies for you.
They had a lot to love it.
These look a lot better than the ones I had in that video.
True.
If we don't, you know, we might be able to eat some cookies once the...
Not going to do what Neil did where we squashed...
No, we're not going to do that.
We're going to preserve the integrity of the cookies.
No, then there's a different video that we don't have that we can just tell you.
We obviously did a challenge yesterday.
Uh-huh.
You know about the challenge.
Yeah, I was there.
That video where you saw the recap of the challenges.
Yeah.
Did you see that one?
Were the morning panel admitted to cheating?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, that's immoral. Okay. We had a moral conundrum more like we could cheat and not tell anybody
You know what we did? We told everybody immediately that we cheated. No, we told them ahead of time that we wanted to do the others
We told them we wanted to do the other puzzles
Yeah, can we just skip this one and then they're like yes
You can concede and then get the other puzzles and then I looked up the other puzzle that we couldn't do because we
Or considered because I was curious how to do it and it's a stupid puzzle, but we voted
democratically I did not want to concede but we are a team and if the majority
votes for something I will always support you guys you did not want us to come to
the puzzle that's why you were against it more like moralistically I did not want
us to come to the to the to the puzzle and the game designer that built such an
atrocity he won awards yeah did we clarify did did they look up to
tour video on the same puzzle yes they did for sure it was either that
Quinn wasn't sure if it was that one or or the one with the ball he
said he didn't do it so he doesn't know he doesn't know but but I wouldn't because
I because when they were talking about it in the morning panel they were talking
like oh which one that they did they'll look it up for and then Ted was like oh
probably the same one we did which obviously was the giveaway that they
also did indeed look up how to solve that we've also we all it was the
puzzle that was not intuitive so it makes sense did you say we got zero
points out of yesterday's challenge everyone did
Double CQ. That'll maintain our league.
But we don't know yet for scores. We'll know tomorrow morning what happens.
Oh, the judges need to... the counsellors need to be...
Yeah, they need to re-evaluate everything that happens and see how it goes.
Okay.
But we are going to also see how this upcoming series goes.
Don't worry, still do the show after all.
And we still want to continue talking about obviously we highlighted Falcons just now with purchase clips.
We're also going to have Falcons highlight themselves for a second.
It's a team, we're kind of in a transition stage right now, we won TI and I think we're
all like, except that maybe there would be a bit of a down slope but then we did pretty
well and then that thing happened a little bit later where we had some issues as a team
and we're performing pretty poorly so we're kind of like trying to move back up from
that I guess right now.
I wouldn't say there's any specific changes, I think it's more like mentality thing
and like trying to understand each other again, have a little bit of patience with each other
the reason why we can come back from these tips and form is just that we're all very like professional
to be honest like we all kind of want to just win like we all know that uh you have to work hard
to win and like we we have to respect the process of practice and both individually and as a team
and everyone in general tries pretty hard. Probably the biggest thing for our stability is just
that we kind of all have faith in each other like we've never had reason to really doubt
that we could perform as a team. We wouldn't really have the reason to change anything on this roster
except for the fact that you're changing, which doesn't really make a lot of sense.
So I think we're just complimenting each other and we have a lot of faith in every player,
so that makes it easy for us.
It's definitely a recipe for success, and of course this team has been together for a long
time, so I have no doubt that they're able to come back from any kind of swamp they might
be having. Actually, it may be difficult to do now because they're still playing with Stannet.
I'm curious how they'll do, but I also am curious how we're feeling about Paravision,
because that will be their opponent today. I would say Paravision is in a similar situation where
Jekos, they're also a little bit of a slump. Yeah, they are. I'll be completely honest,
these are my favorite guys to watch. I love 9-Class's playstyle, flying the weird and goofy
heroes that are running around, making space, collecting information. There's really,
there's very few players in Dota in the world like 9-Class, and they have always been
able to play around that X factor. They now have a new off laner, slotting in, and it is
simply not looking like the old nine class play style is working. So they have tried
to pull out the Slarks and the Monkey Kings, Midasrush, Monkey King at working. He's playing
the Dark Willows and the ranged heroes. Sometimes they'll squeeze out a win here or there.
They've got two wins in this group stage. One against two.
I guess they beat Liquid and they also beat Beppum who is on an uptrend
Yeah, so it's it's not like they can't do it
It's just I really do believe that nine classes the type of player he's you watch a stream
He plays like three heroes and he just spams them
So I think he just needs time to acclimate to the other like normal ranged heroes if he's gonna play them
People that are saying that he can't do it are insane
He came on to the scene playing a techies the sky rough mage those heroes are totally fine right now
I think same with Dark Willow, so I think he just needs some time to acclimate
And I also think it's not a good patch for the monkey kings in the Sark's of the world
I don't want to blame blame my triple S for like oh, he's he's not like DM
He can't he can't handle it that maybe it's true
But I don't feel like it's a proper test when these heroes are just complete trash
Like they're they're just not good in these in these positions like the Sark nerf to his passive is
Very rough for support
You basically have to win the laning stage.
They're still picking it too.
And they still pick it because it's paravision.
I, as a Slark carry player, it's really funny to watch
like a level three Slark pick a fight in the jungle,
like five minutes into the game and lose.
There's just something really funny about it.
And I agree with you, nine classes of funny player
is very entertaining to watch.
It's more entertaining when it's working
because there's like that factor
of this shouldn't be working.
But it is.
But it is.
When it doesn't work it kind of just looks to the average Dota player. I think it's bad. It's like, huh?
What are they doing aren't these guys pro players?
Cattle fiend.
Cattle fiend is in the game and tree improtector.
Wow.
Yeah, there's always some trade. There's like SF for tree or logger for tree.
I saw something in really sick watching replays this morning.
I don't remember what team it was, but they basically smoked and ran to the trees, the enemy trees safe lane and
three of their core is just quelling trees for like 30 seconds.
In pubs, I've seen the opposite, actually, like so much trees played in pubs that people are smoking also to defend the trees from that.
That's the level of meta that I get to get to layer upon layer.
It's just funny that in competitive, like you don't see it very much, even though it's like rampant in pubs because tree just virtually never gets through.
Tree is double picked or picked in every single pub.
I remember the 50 games I played leading up to this tournament, there was not a single game where tree was not banned or picked in pubs.
in the house and it's not as reliably banned because
you don't like the random punch player on your team that makes the college
instead of tree's got a pic for a lot of it
it's not like it usually know like one team's favorite significantly in pubs
nowadays you have one team that has the tree jacquero and
yet the other team
why is it
why is this on me
when you're saying that why is the camera going on me
because we they wanted to validate what he was saying yet with your naughty
and they want to get the conversation so you're both in the conversation so I
just thought there was some sort of like a nefarious
why do you always assume there's nefarious i don't always assume it but in
this case i am a superman
i am the pudge in these games you are correct brian because otherwise
somebody's gonna get it
can't do it in a speech just there's no point
There's no point in any of this
We're all just playing games
I love how you started really like oh I can't do this in the moment you finish the sentence
You're like, yes I can
Somebody gets transient somebody gets SF whichever one wins we call overpowered
but in reality
In reality the meta is defined by who wins not the other way around
round.
Giver.
Michael Eason.
I'm doing a game of thrones.
How much are you going to get a game of thrones?
Oh my God.
Let's focus our attention on the draft.
We got a couple more picks.
We got the Shadow Sharma picked up by a pair of vision.
Actually, one of the rare games, the Shadow Demon, is still available and now gets
picked up.
See, Brian?
This time around, I did it.
The Shadow trifecta is in the whole game.
That's the only reason why I started talking about Shadow Demon.
Yes, the formation is complete. Sadly, they're not on the same team. That'd be the ultimate
Power. I think that's why they had the deny pick on the side of Falcons. What do you think in Purchase?
Yeah, that would be way too good for sure. Although they are on a radiant side, so it's a little bit wouldn't make sense
Yeah, yeah, the reals. Yeah, all three on Dyer for sure would be way cooler
I do like the shaman against free and lean. It has some it has a lot of base damage number one
You get a free hex every 15 seconds even if the tree is running at you
You can like disable him and eventually get away without burning resources to compensate
So I think that's kind of cool
And then obviously you're disabled light when you've got a shadow fiend so a little bit of jump or disable
He's gonna help him get some nice clean kills
Unless there's a disruption I wonder I mean I know it's satanic and he really loves playing SF
But this looks like a bang and weaver game to me already. It's not too early for that
I mean you have a Dispel versus Tree, you can't be slowed by SD in the Beast and Lane
if it is an off-lane Beastmaster. I'm just saying...
You don't think he's gonna be the Shadow Fiend?
It probably will be. I mean, Satanic really likes this hero and I feel like it is the
ultimate carry for a guy who feels like he's the best carry.
It's funny because Bristlebad used to not be very good against Tree in because Living Armor was Armor.
But now it's just instances of damage, so it's not that big of a deal
You're also nice against Beastmaster in the game. He's not really a target
You usually want to go on Beastmaster doesn't buy Silver edge
He's like an initiator damage dealer that doesn't buy Silver edge most of the time
But I would love to see Falcons consider something like
Like a Warta or like another long range. I guess DK could work too
There's something that by silver edge basic with I think we did see a beast master that went eggs silver edge this morning
I might have been three three. I can't remember, but I think in the first series. We actually did see one
I'm just getting really popular definitely worth it
I mean even really popular even silver edging and SF sounds pretty good
Disable his passive and then he can't run away from you like you're super fast
I mean the thing about SF is he does buy her a game bike
So I just saying that like silver edges brutal for any hero that relies purely on walking like you don't use mobility spells
Or hurricane bike basically
We've seen our own centaur a lot too that matchup just gets absolutely destroyed by having a silver edge because your stampede doesn't work
Hard vision go go going back to the chin strapped like they have a really strong
group up in ball
Falcons doesn't have the best D push right now like trim protectors in theory nice against like poking down towers
But he's not the best against
Something that's gonna allow commit to your towers with chin and chin and shadow shaman. I'm thinking that this game is
Going to be very fast tempo around 17 or 18 minutes. We're gonna see the Roche fight as always might even be earlier with these given line-ups
Especially the shadow shaman the bristle. That's a they're doing the minus armor strat and the plus armor strat
Yeah, it's the first time we said it said anything about the armistrat on the evening panel today. I was thinking about it
anytime
Bristles in the game. I just think this is good like
But it is
But they don't have a mar here. So it happened to him out rain viper and I don't know
It's it's been falling off a little bit. What about carry viper though? We were seeing that for a while
I know our TZ was doing it because Amé was doing it. That's actually what I was thinking
Skeeter carry Viper.
I don't like it here against SF though, because I feel like you're in farms slower than him without a doubt.
And if you like miss your mid game fights and stuff, like if you lose those fights, I just feel like you're not going to be able to be as competitive damage wise.
Obviously it's still good against Bristle.
And lowering the minus armor is fine, I just feel like it's so much safer to pick a traditional carry.
Yeah, my issue is that I think Bristle is specifically very good against Clinks and Windranger, because they're ranged carries that he buys Blade Mill against.
It's better against Winteranger than Clinkz, but I think it's the same idea because they don't want to buy Silver Edge
So I get no point in the game. Is there like a situation where Clinkz feels good hitting Bristol and I think part of
Part of Clinkz is that he likes to be a plus one that threatens people almost for your laughs. You are correct
Resistances clinky in one of his best matchups on Dota buff is Bristol. So wait, he's really good against person
Really? Oh no sorry sorry sorry.
Bristol's very good against Clanks.
Okay I was about to say I was like huh.
So I mean I guess the idea is taking it against the Chen.
You can eat the creeps and you can hunt the SF.
Maybe it's like a non-I'm-gonna-stand-here-and-manfight-you type carry against SF.
Cause I feel like any carry that tries to manfight SF does not win.
What about the Chen like matchup against Clanks?
against Clanks because I know you can eat his creeps, but like he also has the plus armor,
which is really good against Clanks, I would imagine.
I mean, I agree that's good, but with SD ulti, that's going to get removed.
That's true.
That's true.
There's that Dispal aspect.
But if you get the right creeps, certainly Chen can be really good at Warrawise, especially
because you get a lot of free shards these days with people prioritizing that.
There's a lot of good ancient creeps that give armor to your teammates or give minus
armor in the area.
like I think if you can use those to really amp up your teammates and make them more
survivable. I'm curious why I feel like all par vision needs is an initiator. I'm
thinking Tiny is the best option for no one here. So they're not gonna pick it
then? Yeah, no I was waiting for that. Nobody's gonna pick the hero then. My
issue is that yeah actually Tiny's like super good here. That's an axe guys.
Interesting.
I mean, that's an insane axe pick actually.
You force Bristol to stand facing you.
You can take out all of the chen creeps easily, like, and spin a bunch if you call them.
You can dunk the Shadow Shaman through his passive, and you can like, glade mail into
the kill SF.
I have not seen an axe game.
Is Corrupted level 30 axe?
Perhaps.
He must be.
That would be so funny.
He's only playing level 30 here. It's so similar to like the other level 30s that he's had that he's had
I feel like the slaughter fits the profile as well
I feel like acts is fun
So he's like the first level 30 you get and then you move on to the more boring shit like slaughter
Like I agree with all the stuff you said there's a lot of good things about acts
But is it gonna do okay against us pen lane? I'm not sure
That's the part I'm worried about because if he's a bad laning stage could be rough. I mean you've
Backing it coming from SD as well. That's true
This is about as good of an axe game as I can imagine for all the reasons you said Jenkins,
so I'm not sure if I'm convinced.
My only concern for our team Falcons is that they have like very little poke and very little
d-push.
So, if Paravision's ever allowed to just group up, I'm imagining a game where they
just can't fight them, but they also have a lot of burst damage on Falcons, so if
they ever manage to catch one or two guys out on the map, I could see that quickly
snowballing in their favor, so I think it's going to kind of come down to the
containment factor from par vision and whether or not falcons can kind of break out of that break formation
I'm a I'm a big believer in this axe. I feel like I feel like this heroes kind of underrated part of that is everyone was going for
Stupid flak theory when in reality there are tons of games that call for just going for blink blade mail
You know or pipe if you're against like a radiance, but everyone was obsessed with the flak tree
It fell off. I think it's honestly a decent hero
I'm curious if he's level 30 with it because this is a free axe game
Easy level 30 with axe hold
So that's giving us a hold hold holding
Hold holding. We're still not loaded in you might have to hold for a while
From the bad computer
No, the game hasn't started yet. Oh by the way, did you guys notice?
SSS
Turn on the light in his room. No fucking way. We snap away. He's like flips it
It's like opposite. He has to be like light on with the middle. Do you think that the do you think that he turns the light off when the game is on?
Like when he's playing I think he waits until midnight to turn on the lights
And he leaves on till 8 a.m. And then he's vampire he sleeps the light on
Oh, he only has to wait like 55 minutes wakes up. He turns it off
In 55 minutes, I can turn it off. Okay. Is that what you mean? Do you guys think it looks like base hunter?
A little bit. Keep saying it backstage.
But the camera, we get the SSS triple S camera.
I don't think that's possible while we're...
I don't know if we have that.
I think we have the tech here.
I'll come to your defense, Perge.
Thank you.
Do you think he looks like this on Twitter?
The moment I saw the picture of the announcement of him joining the roster,
the first thing I thought was base hunter.
Really?
Yes, absolutely. The literal first thing I thought was base hunter.
That was so hype though, if he actually was.
He's a tall face like me. It's like...
He's level 30 axe.
No, he's not!
We're latest in development, level 30 axe.
Dude, I think that's so hype.
That's so high actually.
This guy grinds dude.
I'm just curious which other heroes we're going to discover to be level 30.
Let's see if the level 30 axe knows what he's on about with the last pick that he got there on his team.
Of course it's Falcons versus Baravigian. Game 1 at the best of three.
You know what this reminds me of?
Titanic.
Orient the Blind Forest.
An excellent video game with great ambiance, fun gameplay as a platformer and if you hate it by default.
I can't don't appreciate greatness.
I can appreciate greatness. I don't have to like it though.
What do you think about this music?
It's very relaxing. I like it.
We've been getting a lot of these very relaxing Zen-type songs that make me want to take a nap.
But now we got a cast!
Paravision versus Falcons, game one of this best of three.
Before we get into the nitty-gritty of this, can I just say, there's not only level 30 on Axe,
he's level 30 fashion on Axe.
Yeah, his set's pretty sweet.
He has a top hat and a cigar, and on top of that he's naked except on his shoulders and a little leaf.
That's how he likes to say it.
This is a guy who has played a lot of Axe, and he knows exactly, exactly what he likes.
Good one.
Oh, the hero even says it.
Good one, Cinder. Stealing voice lines, taking it for your own.
Who knows, maybe I made it for...
Oh, he also has a monocle. By the way.
That's very distinguished, I would say.
A dapper gentleman.
Coming into this, just to get everybody on board here.
Paravision, zero and five. They've been eliminated from the tournament.
They're forced to play, though.
Contractual obligations and whatnot.
Meanwhile, Falcons, they're tied for fifth right now,
right now as 2 and 3, if they win this series then they'll be tied for 4th with Aurora.
Yep. This is a, it's not a must win for Falcons per se, but if they don't win this series,
they are, their destiny is in the hands of other teams. Because it's possible I think
with the current constellation that 4th place might be 4 and 3. And if they lose this,
well they're 2 and 4. So then the best score they can get is 3 and 4. However,
They win here, and their next series, they are guaranteed at least a tie for fourth place.
So that's pretty exciting for Falcons.
Of course for Parvizion, this is one of those situations that they're pretty unfamiliar with.
This team having this bad of a group stage, two, this obviously is the second group stage,
but generally being in this bad of a position is quite rare.
Effectively some teams play a lot better when the pressure is off.
see if that applies to this team. I have no sample size on this. I can't remember seeing
this team play after elimination.
Especially with Puppy as a coach. Who knows what he's like behind the scenes.
Do you think he's a soft and cuddly young fellow? Everybody has it all wrong, Cinderan.
Everybody thinks he's so strict. He breaks monitors. He breaks faces. What if he's a changed man?
if you're new to this guess which one of those is made up
you have no proof of that
neither do i but
speculation speculations that's a lot of fun
and monitor is proof of that one there's no proof of the machete though that
one is still a rumor
never seen it
but we've heard the stories we know the myths
sorry
for that one
And this is a Falcons game, of course.
Skeeter's going to be playing Clink, so we're just seeing this a little bit, not a ton, though.
Used to be a lot more popular when he could solo all the Barracks by himself.
That was great.
As Crit might be first lutted by Ducalis on the Chen.
And Corrupted's going to have to back away, and this is 2 vs 1.
I say that, and I get it even more aggressive now.
Yeah, so the panel was talking about this lane.
uh... i think it's been was a different five for shadow fiend is going to be a
lot harder for acts this year actually does quite well against chen
since you like starting the game by buying some armor
uh... and chen doesn't isn't known for exceptionally hard early pressure on
the truth is creep
the thing that's tough for acts is if you're playing as lean that just eat
your life from level one or two it's a chance to cure only to say would be
a lot worse
Also the very easy example to give because it's a hero whoop-de-doo.
Um...
But yeah, I was curious to see how this was gonna go.
Uh, so far so good I would say for Corrupted.
Close to St. Tanix level of Farm.
Even though, yes, I like to see this as you have on X-11.
That's not bad. It's cutting the wave here.
And after cost, it's gonna make it a little bit more difficult.
I'm just trying to farm it instead of just cutting.
Necessarily not pulling it like we've seen from other offlaners, but...
One of the few offlaners that can just kill it outright.
Yep.
I do love me some axe. That's gotta be a top 5 most...
viewable hero.
Enjoyable to view hero.
Yeah, he's very fun to watch.
And I hope like the panel talked about that he doesn't go phylactery.
This is a pretty bad game for that build.
I think there's a time and a place for phylactery as an item still.
But you could turn it into Kanda and break Bristol back in the red.
Yeah, he can get it later.
We've seen that in this tournament already.
Axe get a fourth item condo or something? I wouldn't mind that, but I don't think you should start with this light ray, I think it's too...
It's too slow. Axe doesn't need a break. He can force Bristol back to face him, much like a Legion commander.
It's true. It adds some additional utility to be able to just cast Battlehunger as a break, and then maybe...
Because in my eyes, you probably want to call Shadowfiend in this game a lot of the time.
This is going to be an off lane bristle from SSS, but it isn't necessarily going to be the end of the all-we-kill bristle. It's great.
There's no one getting lowly 25 and 10 to 18 and 5, but more so, now Rean just getting ultra aggressive on the lane.
I'm not sure if you missed any actual XP there, but it was close.
Corrupted. Continuing with the shenanigans. I thought they said the light was on. That is definitely not lit.
Let me switch it off when the game starts.
Let's see.
When it's game time, he wants to be distracted by absolutely nothing. It's the monitor.
Well, Satanic playing the Shadowfiend Syndrant.
And I wonder how much went into the draft considering that Skeeter's performance on the SF was left much to be desired.
I think that's a big part of preparing to play against Falcons is recognizing how you're going to go about that hero.
specifically because it's quite an anomaly that they have looked significantly worse with SF than other teams have so
I want to draft differently for sure
They give them the trend trade-off that snaking did play yesterday as well. He lost that game
I do believe yeah, but the hero Andra looks good so trend is really good
I it was interesting to hear in senior say that he's not sure how good trient is
I don't have a doubt in my mind
But you know pearl games and pub games are two different things, but I just think the things that elevate this hero
Also, and from my perspective matters a lot for as well living armor is outstanding
You have the best warding hero in the whole game arguably at least one of the last he's cooked here
We'll get off his shackle, but really to not much avail
Triant when you know the pathways can gate without getting without breaking in business with nature's guys and still hit both side lanes
There's paths in the trees that you can access.
I believe you can access the rightmost wisdom, but not the leftmost one, with the tree paths that are provided to you.
Crossing the bridge up top is not possible, but crossing the bridge down southeast is.
So it's a little bit of an imbalanced, radiant advantage, if you will.
Shocking.
And thinking, well, he was thinking about it, but not gonna try.
Go to Kalis on the chin, doing a little bit of a dance on his red panda.
That's good stuff.
Pick that up.
Share it with Nine Class.
On the Shadow Shaman, not exactly a hero that we...
I mean, effectively, people's perspective on Nine Class, I think, is...
He's kind of been pigeonholed. The panel is talking about this, too, that the last half year
year he has played so many nine-class specific heroes that people probably
forgot what he started out with. So this is a hero that I used to see nine-class
have mega impact on in the patch that Shaman was very popular. He was like a
first pick. I haven't seen much of it lately though on him. Yeah because he's
become obsessed with the cheese for Cinder and like the monk or Sanibel.
Looks like cheese though.
True.
Yeah, good to see him on something a little bit more traditional.
I feel like if you make that your identity and you do it every single time,
I feel like teams can figure it out eventually.
Obviously some of it has to do with the fact that the heroes that...
He does that on aren't particularly popular right now.
But then again, most heroes are not popular right now.
I think this going off-memory, I don't have the stats for this, it's just going off-memory.
I think this is the tournament given the number of games at tier one.
This is probably the tournament in the last couple of years that has had the most unpicked ban heroes.
You say a couple of years, I think it's longer than that.
I feel like very consistently it's... oh we've been at like 100 plus pick bans, right?
And I think this is something that Valve will have to figure out how to deal with.
There's just a ton of heroes that just don't seem competitively viable,
and that's something that Dota has always prided itself on in the pro scene,
is the diversity of the hero pool and how seemingly anything can work in the right context.
We finally saw this last series, that was cool. We got to see that in the game.
I do think there's definitely at least a handful of heroes that are still good that teams are just sleeping on.
I'm not saying all of the unpicked heroes are not playable. It's not like that like in theory every hero in Dota is good sometimes
I just think the
The percentage of times that certain heroes are playable right now to pro level is just too low. The ratio is off
Yeah, it's just I I think Valver definitely gonna fix it when this next big patch comes out
And it's gonna be the second half of well, they came out earlier because I mean a lot of heroes just don't have facets
Right so yeah ironically those ones most of them are actually really good
good. It's only really PL that seems to have lost his way in Pro Dota now.
That one was more related to the diffusal change for the Mannerburn.
That was a mixed bag. PL was still doing decently well in high level pubs after he lost his
facets.
An illusion.
So now...
Yep. Okay.
How often do you think the pub games translate to pro?
A decent chunk of the time, I would say.
Especially turbo right yeah, because you get all those late game scenarios. That's right
Love turbo. I mean, I would love to see a pro turbo game though. I would like to see that. I actually think of it
Like a tournament where it's a best of three and if it's game three you play turbo
Sure, how about that sounds good
I think some players would hate it and some would love it.
Well, I mean, some tournaments do the 1v1 thing, right?
Ah, that's a bit outdated by now, isn't it?
It still has its time to shine a game.
The tower is in peril.
This is a mega-gen push.
Siege creep timing, shadow fiend is strong right now, level 8, strong as here as
well.
Been a quiet early game.
Everybody's kind of just barming up.
That's why we get to talk about Turbo, because the teams are playing anything about Turbo here.
Static will get the last hit on the tower and do a little victory dance, as he now hits down to the bottom again.
We're wondering how Axe would do. He's been great. He has the same net worth as Bristol.
Perfectly timed call there on the jump. That's a little 30 right there, baby.
He's got that timing down. No one.
and the body block crit doesn't have vortex for a bit meanwhile the roar
extended onto the rosta and satanic takes out crit but now rain will finish
off nine class so a trade of supports and back to farming we go
coming out of the laning stage don't want definitely at a deficit at 1400
discrepancy between him and Malryan on a beast.
I have to say, I'm a little bit surprised with Fari's approach to this game so far,
given that a lot of the times when teams are already mathematically eliminated,
they will lend their drafts a little bit more to active play styles,
because it's, you know, it's more fun to be aggressive and try to smash games
than playing very tactical, slow farming style, but they're doing that in this series regardless so far.
This has been one of the quietest early games you and I have cast in these
students have been too weak.
It fits with our intro music though, nice and relaxing and then...
If we could get that on again though it would actually be great.
I think it's pretty stupid for this game.
I feel like this will ramp up
big time at some point, if not then no team will win.
So it's required.
How is it, if you just start a game and nobody does anything radiant wins, right?
Uh, yeah, technically.
Call!
And the Monarch hurt as well.
Britt gets the kill, corrupted.
Didn't get the chop in time.
Satanic is like, what the fuck is Blade Mail?
Where's the phylacriac?
Nice voice.
That's right.
That's the bill.
Do you look to see Blade Mail Blink X, please?
Hours down here.
The trade-off.
Bargasian will get the top tower
at the expense of Satanic.
He's going Crimson before Blink.
Although he has Blink.
auto-buy so yeah maybe
he is actually going blink right away
for sure it's it's way too good to not buy it here
you can catch a storm
like we talked about you can turn around bristle, you can kill shadow kings
yeah with things so common
peaceful
you can get away with it
he's the biggest winner in this game state is axe
because this hero sucks when things get too fast and you don't get to
unlock your key items
so i think corrupted is more than happy
111 CS. I don't want to want to open things up onto corrupted pops the blade now
Children's gonna mitigate most of that corrupted takes another raise
He's gonna be able to get out though Malrin in the meantime with the roar speeder on the low ground as well
But they don't want to fully commit as SSS shows up corrupted just gonna walk away
But now speeder shackled instantly canceled thanks to the disruption trying to get away with all his might
It's not gonna happen though. No one gets the finishing blow
Oh, and Crick will be the residual killer as well.
Are they actually going to go to Roche?
I was going to say. That's... maybe with Roche.
Man, not even with Frost Wars, I think.
Falcons thought they had it in them to fight there with the Beastmaster X, but it's the thing that happens to Clinkz.
When you get isolated, your hero is very vulnerable at this stage of the game.
Skitter didn't really get to play there
Time to disengage reset
Yeah, and they were so close to blink on axe. He didn't die
So he'll get that in just a moment, but it feels like that was when you maybe want to yeah take a fight
Well, for what it's worth he was the one getting jumped there, right?
So chosen on his terms this time around, but it might be next time
I'm gonna stack the ancients here one would imagine
Imagine Axe is one of the heroes that can stack both camps themselves while farming it.
You stand in the big camp, you start spinning, and then you run down and battle hunger the secondary camp.
As long as your vision at daytime is very easy, at night time you need some help potentially.
Just gonna stack them both up. Got a nice little helping hand here from snaking with the heal.
Of course that also made a difference for the laning state.
We didn't really talk about living armor's impact on the Axe lane, but it helped him a lot with getting through the early stage.
early stage. Oh, he didn't even take the stacks. He stacked them for Malrin. Share the wealth.
Mark it. It's more total gold. It's better to not farm the camps yourself if the distribution
of gold makes sense to your team. I'm a whole lot of mana for Corrupted, but I can't go
to try to make a move yet. Oh, great blink reveal. Yeah, that's unfortunate. 9 class.
Level 30 will make a little... He'll still die. Can they get the chops? Actually,
Actually, 9-Clare makes it a lot easier with that foul play.
Kind of can't fail to chop Shadow Shaman almost.
Up to top we go. He has no mana though.
There's a Lotus. That'll be enough for a Blink call.
And also for Dunk, but not if he blade mails. But he's about to get enough mana.
Nobody in the neighborhood does this for a matter. Let's see if the smokes are land.
Parry's another one that are being a little bit more passive than we're used to seeing.
The Shadowfiend has...mants I say that and they pop their own...
Oh, that corrupted guys!
With the initiation!
Oh my goodness!
Two supports dead!
Just like that now.
Rain with the roar.
Is there follow-up though?
No.
No one gets away.
The Requiem used as zoning and SSS not to be pursued, it seems, as Falcons.
We'll keep running down mid to get this tier one.
Got it.
Two Deso kills for Skater as well there.
Hunt both supports.
That's a very nice pick up for him.
And now, threatening the Roshan potentially,
our falcons with all these master acts.
I mean, this is super clean.
Love that tomato.
Oh, that's something I never hear used by actually.
It was cooked.
That's good.
Into the pit they go, but they're gonna exit for the time being battle-hunger on SSS
Roche
Only taking a bit of damage so Falcons not fully committing or anything like that
This is pretty awkward to talk about look at that century ward range from the radio hang on their initiation this time
It's only on the breast though, but they force them to look right at them
Which means he takes a ton of damage
He gets chalked to the ground as Malarine gets the roar on no one
But again just zips away no roar those just the bird and the bird got him
We're on three
Go for up it. Oh a mantis style very nicely done from satanic living armor and a disruption to try and stay corrupted
That's how that's our cast. That was actually a really good man to dodge
Again, I want to emphasize this this might seem like a little thing
But look in the river look at the range of the radiant sentry ward the top left one look
They don't see this. It is so close, but it's so important because the way Falcons access
these calls in the river is that word. And, well, our vision might feel like there's vision
somewhere, but they can't pinpoint it off by an... I don't even know what you call that,
a millimeter. Very, very little. Yeah, that was a great
showcase of life acts as good against bristleback for sure
starting on rosh again this malarine slowly
i mean how fast do they do this
they candid quite fast if they commit for a piece master axis good at this
right this time it seems like he needs it for real he has haste
either not interested in being in the pit to expedite the process
tomato dies
SSS alright corrupted try to go for a call cancels it though
This is the
Stale mate situation script no one is not there. Yeah, he's just farming bot
So you know he can keep it through the outpost and then zip in so he gets the luxury of just playing the efficiency game
I'll corrupt it looking for the call
He gets it again onto the Bristol back with the roar to follow looking for the chop down goes the Bristol again
No one tipi's in but now there are the 4d5 disadvantage
There is a buyback on the Bristol but feels like a little early to expense something like that
So Roche will be given for Falcons as they head towards Tormenter
Cross play really well
Fun to see it level 30. This guy I love it as a stand-in
He's just running some heroes that you never really see Falcons play much
We don't see too much in our centaur once he plays of our centaur slaughter and axe, right?
And one more. Tide. Tide. Tide I remember more playing, I'm sure. And Slaughter maybe once or twice as well.
But not recently.
Ooh, that is a nice grab for Crit. I mean, both of them would have been good.
The Monty Shards or...
Yeah, Tree Shard would probably have been even better.
So what's Clans good against this game?
Goo? What else?
It's good against Goo, it's good against Penitents.
Anything else Chen has with his creeps?
It's a fuel scan out, corrupted, gets a free call, gets hexed temporarily, disruption cancels
it, rest it looking for another choppy chop, and gets it.
15 stacks, go to blood, that's plus 6 armor.
Don't underestimate the value of this, you're playing against SF Bristol.
That's a minus armor strat.
That's a plus armor strat for Axe.
it up 21 minutes time for Elvistum and Shadriman will take one feels weird to
watch Pahri just take no initiative with their storm for this long really
it's been very passive wonder what the he's bottom net worth of the course
to yeah what's the big plan here like what are you aiming to activate is it
when your Silver Edge perhaps is what you're waiting for for Satanic?
Is that when you feel like you have a strong timing windows to do something?
Because it's very antithetical to Chen Shaman to play like this.
These heroes, let me sure, Chen can farm. He does it well.
He's on better than most supports, but that duo generally is looking at towers
and at tormentor and at roche, and they aren't so particularly interested.
Maybe they feel like, maybe they'll read us this, we can't fight Falcons at all.
Maybe there's a certain item that they absolutely need.
Silver edge, first satanic perhaps.
What else would it be then?
Because there's nothing else that's even close, right?
Do you want to just farm that much longer maybe?
I don't see.
Maybe their idea is, we pick Shadowfiend, we eventually win game.
Yeah, I think that's a little short-sided against Axe Beastmaster, but we'll see.
The speeder is scouting out, his clink wants to find a setup for Axe.
He's got Deso Chrysalis Daedalus next on the list.
SSS working on a crimson but so is corrupted as he's gonna get a call and a
chop on to Ducalus. It was like anybody showing up on the map is just gonna get
dunked on. Only a 1k lead for Falcons which is surprising.
Satanic Skyling out sneaking. Gonna get the Shackle. That's an easy pick off.
A little shadow blade diff right there.
A very part of Parvison's decision making is also, oh hang on, oh they dust Skeeter!
They got the Hex as well, and that is an easy pick-off in the end for Paravision.
Yep, caught him slipping.
Only a minute on the ages doesn't look like Toppins are going to have a good opportunity
to use it.
In fact, they've lost gold, technically, in terms of net worth while having these ages.
Yeah, we don't see that this often, or that often this early in the game, at least.
Usually.
And they've got Tormentor after, right?
Yeah, they have the Shard on Shadow Demon, so.
Well, time class with the Ward Trap.
I'm going to find the Shadow Demon.
on a roar.
Now Rain able to take out the call list, but now Rain just getting zipped on, corrupted
in the vicinity though.
Potentially going for SSS, but now Rain is already so low, that's life number one.
Sneaking overgrowth at the ready, shadow feet using the ult perfectly.
They're going to have to give up his life.
The nine class going in pretty deep gets the heads onto the axis feeder from above.
They get the dunk on the nine class.
Now, Static will be able to walk away, so just a slight punishment on Paravision, but
overall pretty happy with that for the Radiant side.
I didn't think they were gonna so freely be able to go on the Beastmaster twice over,
but this is a perfect time.
That's just a perfect record.
He can't be KB.
One's here, and they run him down.
And wisely, Axe did not jump there, that would have only made matters worse for our Falcons.
Last magic trick, taking SSSSS here there, just like the lights in his room that magic
to switch on again
at the other side that's corrupted
as the dark and they both do
skeeter able to pick up to cause within a lot of this chin actually
overgrowth cp
by mine
all nine-class not quite in range
away the lens
All of this though still very very even game
Each side's gonna have a crimson now
Satanic working on the Daedalus
Skeeter already has his oh no actually went dragon last first so demon edge into the recipes the last component
has a shard as well and
and snaking also bought his shard as we can see some
eyes in the forest. Yup.
Feels like a more or less mandatory purchase. Sometimes you buy it very first.
Sometimes you get a little value item on the way especially if you're hoping to
get it from Tormentor you can see if you get lucky.
You definitely always wait for that. Unless you're stinger and you buy it after you've gotten it from the Tormentor.
Okay, thank you. I saw that if I done that I'm trying it
No
It was on Wyvern because you only play one hero. It's also on her. You're really spreading a lot of lies
Learned from Jenkins tier two tower
Doesn't look like any defense being mounted for falcons again quite passive play overall from both sides
It's kind of playing together methodical approach
Oh, some super nice TPs.
Malrin, Titanic, Spotsman, no one knowing that the side of Falcons basically abandoned him
with mass TPs.
This was in spite of Malrin having a ward there, that's why he felt confident, but
it's alright.
Giving you the scouting tool.
Yeah, I hope this doesn't get too much of an error.
I've been enjoying some Silver Edge play.
There's plenty of ways to tweak it.
Do you like the concept of movement to be capping?
Did I ask you about the other day?
Yeah, we both like it.
You just think it should be on a separate item.
Yeah.
Just, I don't know if that's good enough to be on a separate item.
Yeah.
Maybe if it's not too expensive and it gives some secondary valuable stats on an archetype hero that would want those stats.
I think it's cooler on carries though, that's the thing.
Like, coming out of Silver Edge and being able to right click a Weaver, that's cool.
Yeah, if you're the guy coming out of Silver Edge.
Yeah, fuck Weaver.
It's a bold statement to make against one of the four primal beings of the universe or whatever it is.
It's just an insect we've heard as long as heroes in the Lord's hand doctor satanic
Don't don't judge a dog the most powerful one in the lore is like arc warden or OD maybe one of those two
Pretty sure weaver is just a pathetic bug
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. It's all good
I might actually see a collision here, no one- oh the call misses!
Nice ward trap onto the Shadow Demon, first to die is Crit, 9 class follow suit, 1 for
1.
Corrupted, getting killed off by the wards, and no one.
Very deep in the action here, completely out of mana, but the right clicks from the
S-Trap Satanic showing his war, good lord, double kill!
He is just chunking these heroes four for one and roaches up in six seconds.
This is going to be perfect timing for paravision.
SF is so disgusting when he has anti-flight damage.
Like that was not even remote because every attack he hits for 600 flat with minus armor.
But yeah, this is one of the problems with Axe.
You miss that call, you're nothing in the fight.
Like what do you offer?
I guess it first is Crimson, like, just gets out blinked
and now he can just waddle around.
They don't even have to focus him, take their time.
Don't eventually...
And here comes Satanic. One, two, three.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
No crits.
So he needed a couple more from Naurine, but...
Yeah, that was the damage.
What can he do? Dr. Satanic is something...
Too fierce.
They win that fight regardless, but it just looks so much easier with it.
Yeah. You gotta be...
You gotta be super clutch with Axe and super clean on your jumps.
Like 10k lead for par vision.
Roche was not taken though, so they did not scout it out in time.
That was... I think the remnant blew up maybe one to two seconds before Roche spawned.
Crit confirms there's a ward here with sentry plus shadow poison, but he can't go and de-ward it.
Hang on, hang on! Hi there!
No one has come out of his slumber.
Even overgrowth used for this.
From out of the slumber now 2-0 and 9 been involved in 11 kills and there's
Rosh. So ParaVision now with a pretty large lead against Falcons. I have a
full set mid already. Now they get the Aegis and the banner. Knowing ParaVision.
Knowing ParaVision they're going high guard. Knowing ParaVision. They want this
series bad just to screw over Falcons more so than anything I mean because they've
already been eliminated right so do you think it's because of bad blood or to
make a statement that they just refuse to go it's bad blood but not
specifically for Falcons just for humans in general fair so Tannock gets
this tier three easily I think they just refuse to accept the scoreline they
have are they just not attending here so that's two sets now for Paravish and
This is four and a half minutes on Aegis.
They are in prime position to take game one.
Look at the Netherlands now.
Satanic is so far ahead.
I see for you a future for that.
I see for you a future for that.
Well, they do get an Agatom Scepter for Crin.
Of course, Bristle's not really the issue.
I think you need to purr Shadowfiends.
What are you purging?
Just out of the movespeed?
You can't force stuff offensively, though.
So he can't chase heroes down and you just need to kind of anchor him in place so you
can navigate the fight better with your other heroes.
It's pretty clear that the strategy of par vision in these fights is give vision to SF,
give him time and whatever he feels like he's going to kill people in three shots.
So if you do see him purging him out, it's going to be a big help.
But the problem is the agents.
It's like this makes it so difficult for them to deal with it.
They have refresher on Maureen, so two roars but still no blink.
So yeah, they've locked down and they have damage, but do they have enough to kill them twice?
It's kind of impressive that Corrupted still has the same net worth as the Bristle given the game state, but...
It's sometimes very hard to realize the value of your net worth on a hero-like act,
We're asked for bristle, it's a lot more straightforward.
Yeah, run in, you cast your auras, you tank some damage, X has to hit a good call.
And now it's going to be even harder, Lincoln's on no one against the Beastmaster Roar.
If he can break this smoke and get roared on the Lincoln's as a reveal, that's the
dream.
We have full smoke from Falcons, but I see nobody really remotely close to them at the
moment and they're going to have to worry about bottom wave here relatively shortly.
This is pretty telegraphed because there's two sets of fireworks taken and the creeps
aren't being contested in the mid and the bottom lane.
So Parv is going to know that something's up and they can just wait.
Wait 30 seconds, wait 45 seconds for the waves to push in and Falcons to show.
ready to pounce though, approaching towards Paravision's location.
And they're playing a bit scared, knowing that this could be the last fight of the game.
And Corrupted absolutely needs a good call.
But we've seen, even when they killed the Bristleback,
Will is relatively short in short amount of time.
The shot-offing is the problem, right?
So is it? You call shot-offing, that's all you can do?
crit. With demonic perch number one used. They get the roar, Mal'Reen focusing right now.
This is going to be Aegis number one, but no, Saganic is still staying alive. Mal'Reen
gets disrupted at the last moment. He's living on a sliver of HP and dies shortly after
and it's 70 seconds of no beast.
And the Zippin, they wanna take out Crit,
knowing that this Agz is annoying.
Get the Shackle though, big overgrowth.
Lotus is gonna dispel the Storm Spirit.
Now he can go to town, onto Clankton.
Satanic shows up, and when he does, it means you're dead.
Oh my God!
Double kill for him as GGs are called in game number one.
goes to paravision. Shadow team gaming. It was a weird game right? Yeah just a lot of
quiet for like 15 minutes almost no kills the team starts slowly fighting
there's a couple of good calls here and there I think corrupted played. In my
eyes a very good axe game unfortunately for him he misses that one call in the
moment but ends the game 8-2 and 5 still they they just can't deal with
with the overwhelming power that Parvizion have.
They get their Channora's online,
they play around the Shadow Feend,
no one just jumps all over the place giving vision
on Storm with Shiva's.
When there's a Shadow Feend in the game,
it's a Shadow Feend.
I forgot that there was a point.
Yeah.
Usually that is the hero that's just coming out of nowhere
and completely instigating somebody.
I mean, it was just Satanic this time.
And Skitter did the most damage in his team
and almost as much as Satanic,
The damage doesn't feel equally impactful in what it leads to overall, so not sure I was expecting a 35 minute win for Parry here, but maybe they're heating up.
That's right, Shadak.
Right, maybe they'll get a win on the board in series this time round.
I will say though, at the start of the game, corrupted me at work, fun, and nice, and it worked out for a little while,
but potentially they needed to just get a bigger advantage during that time, and they just did not right.
It's not right, but we're wrong, though.
Yeah, I think it's just a hard to execute hero
in the current meta.
Like I really do think it boils down to
that one missed call, had such huge,
they paid such a huge price for it.
I also think, you know, I was critical
of this theater, Clink's pick.
I was confused why they picked it into Bristol.
This seems like a Silver Edge ranged carry patch.
And maybe Clink's was kind of the hero
that made people realize how strong it is
to be an Invis range dude
that just does a bunch of damage.
but now I feel like he's kind of outdated, if I'm being honest with heroes like SF,
he's just with a silver, he's just a better player, does it know?
Yeah, I agree. That was a very nice SF performance.
I mean, the, I think the drafting issues were more apparent just because I do feel like after watching that game,
that Paravision is on an upswing.
Maybe it's too early to say that they're on an upswing after watching only one game,
but they look really good in that game.
I remember there's a point where they had Satanic go mid
and all of the Chen creeps,
I think they had one failed push before without Satanic
and then he goes mid.
It's fairly early on at a point where like carries,
if they are rotating,
they're usually rotating to the off lane tier one tower,
especially because that was the side
that Tormentor was on.
So to me, like that's telling me
they want to roast at some point in this game.
And if you look at both lineups,
like there's a lot of roast taking heroes.
So it's going to be a big objective
and they decided like this is going to be very important and then when they take like one
winning fight they go with bristleback sf they had a bunch of other roach taking heroes and they just
instant take roach and i'm thinking like okay against axe with sf you have to have ages like this
this is how you deal with that counter so i think that's why they were evaluating it but all of this
is just very like five head play against a lineup that is not very typical on on this patch which
Which makes me think they just had a very good read on this game.
Yeah, they did. I just feel like Satanic kind of outskilled as well.
He meant to dodge Axe calls twice at least, especially at the end, which is incredibly incredible,
because sometimes he's blind. He's just watching, and he's one of those players I can do this time I reliably.
So that was really impactful. I also feel like that one fight in the jungle where Axe misses calls,
Shatterdome is also way too far forward, and I think that's why Crypt put his hands on his face.
Because he died immediately. He didn't get an ulti up on Shatterdome.
In fact, Shadow Fiend came by BKB that game because he was against Overgrowth, he was against Axe Call, which is BKB Piercing, he was against SDLT, he was against B-Smasher, whereas it's 4 BKB Piercing Ulties.
So he just skipped the whole item and was like, well, it's not gonna do shit for me anyways, I'll just buy more damage.
So he just got so much value out of his hero.
And what else would you like to show us?
The clips, showing these exact moments.
And why I think Crimson Guard was maybe not the best option as well.
It's good against Miner Starmer of course, but there was just so much damage on Shadow Fiend,
And when you hit for like 500, uh, uh, er, and 100 of it gets blocked, you just don't care.
You still do so much damage.
So there's Busted.
Um, check out this fight here at 18ms.
They did a really good job pulling the Bristol back towards their opponents.
They thought of them to break up these early game fights in a really advantageous way.
And Shadowfiend's damage was a little bit weak for all.
This is a second really good call here by Crofton, which gave them some nice openings in the game.
But the problems that eventually the Shadowfiend just ended up doing too much damage.
Watch how fast Malloryn dies.
Yeah, BKB's got X, he's actually a minus 2 armor because of the SF4 right now.
So even with the Crimson Guard, he's still getting chunks between the Bristol back and the SF.
So he's supposed to be one of the frontiers on the map, you just can't see him here, he just dies so quickly.
They almost needed another unarmored item, I don't know, I don't know what the solution is.
They need old tree armor actually is what they legit needed this game.
And here's SD Dime immediately here, getting caught, really nice shackles, or heck, sorry.
If they put an ulti on S up there, maybe S up dies, instead it's them running away.
They had them crimson, but like, they're just taking so much damage.
Yeah, he's got a DD, so it's obviously a special circumstance where he's getting for...
I see all the numbers pop up to like 700 damage. It's crazy damaging myself.
Maybe that's the eyeliner guy that keeps talking in Swedish is actually correct about...
I feel like every time we see tree get traded for some other overpowered hero
The other overpowered hero wins whether it's like Largo or SF like the giveaway tree trades
It seems to be good for the team that gives away tree like this is the one situation in which
Letting tree through is good if there's another one of the overpowered
Corpse on the other side
Many times I'm sorry. Tree through tree through tree through tree through tree through tree through
Okay, we are going to take a break and then this is a little bit earlier than normal, but that's okay
Cuz we have to prepare we're gonna start building our cookie tower before game two after break
You know I'm your hot star
Come too close and you'll be fine
Guess that's just a lesson learned
All right, give me what you got
You know I'm your hot star
You're the music that keeps you up
When you're not together
Don't you ever let it stop
Kiss me
Let me tell you what
Kiss me
Kiss me
Just stop me up
Let's not rush
Just stop me up
It's not my time
All right, give me what you got
Give me what you want
Give me what you got
I know I'm hard to understand, but I hope you make the effort anyway
You hold my future in your hands, I hope we make it longer than a day
I can't help showing my emotions I gotta be a little more discreet
If you feel a fraction of affection Then come and sweep me off with more faith
We could just solve all this confusion We could sort it out
It gets through this situation No more hesitation
Focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who you are
And this apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know
That we're in love
That we're in love
I don't believe in any time
Welcome back, you are watching Dota 2, we're gonna have to stack cookies, we will have
a timer appearing on this screen, it's all before game 2 of Falcons versus Paravision,
Paravision won't be one, and we are gonna, once the timer, once we're gonna start stacking
the timer will start, we have three minutes to make a total stack, we have to just
Stir-past 22cm, because that is the stack size of MorningCook.
So...
What do you guys think about putting this on the ground first?
No, no, no, no.
Guys, have we decided again?
Can you take the lead or purge? Start.
Because we can't take the syrup back.
Yeah, but just go faster. The timer has stopped.
You want to align them for me, purge?
Just like Legos.
That one's a bit unstable.
You don't like that one? Yeah, this one's the one that's kind of bumpy.
Yeah, I'll leave. Take that. I can go on the top.
I'm gonna go flying, though.
Keep stacking.
Well, if you look at this 90 degrees from me and Jenkins,
you can see if it's uneven or the other.
Look at it from a different angle, like this way.
Or either one of these directions.
Please, 90 degrees.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
This direction.
I can't go in front of the camera, and I can't go...
Yeah, you can.
Go for it.
I can move, I can move, I can move.
Desperate times, call for desperate measures.
Shit, I fucked up the two of you.
I'm gonna have more of this time.
I'm gonna be like, yeah, yeah.
Can see you stacking.
and see you stocking two minutes left but we can sort on all this we're fine yes we are fine don't
don't stress this way wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait you're you're you're stacking it not
like here okay that's what you guys are here for I'm just trying to yeah you're good we need
these that one's a little offside it's okay we can we can counteract it
we're like it's 19
that's okay that's okay it's okay it's okay it's okay
let's continue though
yes this is the one
the brahman i need to like
alright you might take one of these take the brahman i think it's the brahman
oh jeez
We got one minute left wait, we do okay, which one was which one was listening up this one?
I'm gonna cut one in half now. Yeah, yeah, get that prepared. Oh
If you can make it not fall over we've been already
Let's go for the highest to be counted
I feel like it took me a little bit this way.
Now we have one minute. I lied right here.
I think we need that round one.
You really did.
I think we're good. Let's just leave it.
Let's leave it?
We don't want to go for more?
No.
What's the point?
We don't have to. We already won.
It's 26 centimeters.
Alright, can we now continue stacking and see how tall we can get it?
No, we have to wait until the timer's done.
Because it's only about the thing and what kind of thing.
I want to have fun while we need it.
Do you want to go one more?
over the 30 mark we're playing or playing a more chip we're playing a
vampire survivor oh that's over 30 there's no way that's over 30 with just
that one that is like okay we need to get one but you need to take that off
real quick
just being yes 30 okay nobody move nobody move ten seconds just stay still
31 still that's a nice clean bill don't shift your fucking weight you
You just shifted your weight and I felt it in my feet.
Yay!
Question for production, can we eat the cookies now that we've done the college?
We gotta try to go all the way as high as we can.
What are you in compared to?
Oh wait, hold Brian Grimes, put it back.
Oh my gosh.
Jake, do you want to place your finger again?
You had masterful.
Oh!
Alright.
That's me when I was a clean sweep right there
Guys, size doesn't matter
You shouldn't point a laugh at somebody else's size
That's not good
I will tell you, they...
We have to go as high as possible, guys
I'm eating cookies
The highest possible first
Okay, we'll do it now
Real quick
Without me, I'm eating this cookie
I promise you'll get it
Okay
Yep
Yep
What's the big thing which one you're using to
Okay, no, I will warn you guys I
Intentionally let the cookies cook a little longer than normal. Oh, no
Dirty wasn't worth that. Oh, well
You do that. Okay, what's that height? That's even better. There's really a bunch of middle school boys right now
36 36
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hey, how are the cookies?
Very solid.
OK, well, it's a good tower.
Maybe not great.
OK,οd perj.
All right, I'm going to eat this cookie, I guess.
Because it's the only one not up.
I'll try a piece of this one.
Oh, gosh, it is very solid.
Yeah, very little.
Good cooking for the company.
I think this one has too much sugar in it.
Oh!
Yeah, that's a good thing.
I have jaw muscles.
It's good.
That tastes good.
I think like I put a little piece of metal in one of these so be careful
It wasn't in this one. I fell on the ground and some metal went in and I just left it
Perfection gets their hands on Beastmaster again
I think that's all he has
Well, you'll know in a second I guess. Yeah when my tooth gets chipped
You're more worried about that. I do really mean me
Can you can we please have more people eating the cookies? No, no, no. Come on. You want the cookie?
This is the time to eat a cookie Karina
Come have a cookie. Come on.
Do you want the cookie?
We don't need cameras right now.
From the cookies.
Just send the cameras still.
And come get a cookie.
Yeah, come up and get some of this.
This is an open invitation to also everybody.
Don't have any of those.
Come get cookies.
Okay.
To eat them too late past midnight is not healthy.
So you gotta come get them now.
I was like, oh no.
There's a lot of big cookies here.
But if you come last of your team,
you get a bigger cookie.
Because the bigger the further to the bottom they are sure the bigger the cookie. Oh, this one is actually not too hard
Don't judge they're okay
Cookies anyone no, I love one came I love this job
No, but the production room is a little bit of ways away farther coming maybe one person can come over
I'm pretty cookies for everybody else. Yeah, could be you easy to cookie right now
Unless you're not in this building
Which is the majority of you watching me eating this movie
Makes it very difficult number two
Okay, this is about falcons
She's shocking kicker hard because the teams are reversed for who has what?
Beastmaster was on falcons last game and
Bristleback was on party vision. I feel like Bristle Bristle
Britstal looks okay if you just have a Silver Edge carry and it looks really
fucking broken if you don't have a Silver Edge carry. So what's the choice? I'm
voting for Morita here. I think she's the best Bristleback counter because she
also has immunity to physical. I mean also it's Satanic so maybe Morfling.
Oh. If you can get it in like the later. We haven't been seeing any of that hero.
These are gonna be really good hockey pucks tomorrow. What? Hockey pucks? Yeah.
Yeah, you can get them apart. I mean they're all covered in the syrup that they use to keep it together
Can someone raise two cookies? I want the black
I'm I'm enjoying these quite a lot
I'm enjoying the taste of so I'm gonna crack it in half for you
They look better than they taste
But they're fine
I will keep eating them though.
I have no doubt.
Alright, we have got some bands on supports because
surprisingly no supports in opening picks.
That means that everything is in. We got Heroine, Phoenix in.
Shadow Shalminin, Shadow Demon and Ringmaster Band.
Preint obviously bad.
That means we're going to see maybe a different type of support coming out.
How's the regular one? I've only had the chug one.
It's like eating glass.
It's very tasty gloss very tasty glass. They all taste like a lot like butter. I feel like that's because there was a lot of butter in there
Don't I?
I think
Okay, these are not as good as the chocolate one. Oh, I disagree. You're both the same this tastes like literal butter
Maybe the mixing wasn't done good. I told you there's way too much butter in that this tastes like butter
And I thought no kidding. I will continue to eat it because I've never tasted a butter cookie before
This says like button.
I'll put this like on there.
This is really bad.
I don't think this is a very good cookie.
Holy shit!
You've been on point with that cheese.
Good job.
You remembered it.
Again.
God, I have the aftertaste of butter in my mouth, I need to eat this one.
You're gonna watch it down with the other one.
That's another brick.
Alright.
Why are we throwing them in the speaker so much?
I can't figure it out.
Man.
This is why, generally, it is not good to eat on camera because first, you talk
with your mouth for the whole time, second, I hear crunching and anybody that has,
you know how some people have to ick when they hear other people chew?
Yeah, I have, I have that.
Misophonia?
I have that.
That is a version of misophonia, you know.
Okay, well, there's a lot of people right now that are very unhappy.
I get it when people clear their throats a lot.
Yeah, like that.
Just do that, do that like once every 45 seconds and we'll have to have a word.
It's a trade-off because my happiness levels are pretty, my dopamine is peaked right now.
Oh, it's, it's, it's quite high.
I'm surprised that nobody from production came in to eat cookies.
Yeah, they're so good. We've been selling them so hard.
Don't they like butter?
Dude, I think you just had a bad cookie. Try another one.
That's a risk.
Oh, they're still hard, too.
Oh, and they like covered them with syrup.
I just see the syrup.
And did you see them holding it?
Yeah, I saw him try to squeeze it into a...
I feel like they literally smooshed it as they were building it.
They were like, they were pushing it like...
It would have been taller if they just didn't do that.
I don't want to be mean, but we have eaten a lot of cookies and still
We try away
These ones are actually decent it like don't like if you went to a store and you paid money for these you got that was really disappointing
But for a free cookie that was I would buy these cookies
I like them
Hey center. Hello. Can you be a cookie reviewer? Sure. Yeah
I can take one of each we can break a small piece off maybe is we made it for structural integrity not to taste good
Yeah, it's fun to be great. Are we grading you against the other team? No
No, you don't want to eat there. I covered in syrup and stuff. It's delicious. Okay. You need theirs. It's covered in syrup
So that's good
You should break up half a cookie. Yeah, give me like a small piece
I don't think I can do this with one hand, from what I've seen.
Oh, that...
I didn't hear audible crack when you broke that one up.
He wants the other half!
It might taste literally like butter.
No, I think it was fine.
I actually think the brown one's better.
What?
I agree.
100%.
I think the cookie...
The white one tastes like butter.
He said, it's really fucking hard.
And then he...
And then he...
But what about the cookie?
He bought one for it.
He bought one for it.
I don't want to work with it every day.
That man is hard to please when it comes to food.
Is it the best cookie that you remember having?
That's an inside joke, people will laugh.
No, they talked about it.
Timbersaw.
I do want to talk about the draft at some point.
We're here for a note of conversation.
Oh, three strength heroes and you have a Timbersaw?
That looks good.
Yeah, that's nasty.
And also warlock does not pressure timber at all in my new face
You can just cut waves easy. I like having tusk and secure together. It's like they both stop
They're both good at like that small area control. It looks really sick
Do we think it's gonna
potentially be a malarine
You're not actually this first beard man
One like this small piece right here or something a comparison. I'll grade this against yours if this is better
I mean I well it's unfair. It's covered in syrup if you like syrup
How about the bottom did they like miss the syrup on song? I don't think they missed any crumbs
Everything is syrup these are all the drenches in they literally drenched the entire thing
That's here Jarvis fool at the start of the day. I saw them do it. I just think he's tea spoons
Six tablespoons. Do I want one of these? It looks like it's still syrup
I didn't think they got syrup literally everywhere. I'm gonna try one of these out of curiosity
All right, Brian, let's do it. Cheers.
Cheers. I'll join you.
Oh, my God.
That is just Europe.
That's pretty good.
That tastes pretty good.
This is a better cookie.
Better cookie.
I'm glad that wasn't the competition.
If it wasn't, it's true.
That was actually a very good cookie.
There was a lot of loving care put into that.
They really could have had such a nice tower you knew any more sugar was gonna make it taste better
Well, come on Kevin. You gotta try it now. It doesn't even taste that syrup if I'm not it does not taste syrup
It actually it actually tastes like a cookie. I think just doesn't look clean
Am I wrong?
Something happened in Brace your inner child. Just put in your mouth. Just get it in there. Let's try
I
Treat it like it's a lego put in your mouth easy then
Why'd they ban darks here and then fix it isn't it's been good first option I
Really thought they were gonna pick more to counter the with the silver edge, but maybe spendable by one
I don't know, love's been here?
I'm just a little bit.
I'm kind of spooky.
I mean they have other ways to jump, at least, so that part's good.
This is a nasty Necrofos game.
Oh, it actually is.
Yes, wait, Necro's coming out here, Eater Necrofos.
What about Malrin Necrofos?
I don't know.
What about Corrupted?
Maybe he has level 30 Necrofos, maybe about Peru.
Oh my god!
Oh my god!
He actually did it!
Hell yeah!
Okay.
You want this knife so you can drop it?
No, that's okay. It's an expensive piece of equipment and I'm already on the nice
It is corrupted on the Necrouffos!
Wow!
I'll check if he's level 30.
I want to check if he's level 30!
How is it possible for a guy to have so many level 30s?
Hold up Mike, can you wait?
How is it possible? Can you double hear me?
Yeah, I can...
I feel like if you play enough heroes over time that with Doty you'll be able to...
If he's Mallory and his friend, he's only gonna have a small hero pool that he's been focused on, concentrated on,
Ring there's not a small to be at this point shiver
It's not a small hero pool if every single hero we've seen in play so far is a level 30 dota plus
Perch is this even not I don't want to do it. Was that even good for audio?
No, no
Good cooking
Not that one. Let's do wet cold for me. I don't like it. I don't like them
I think that one's the best one. What's it? The one that tastes like butter
Oh
This one's sort of separated. Okay. Do we think this one's good? I have to try it
I will say it's a good. It's like a good necro game in a vacuum because you're against three
Four like strength melee guys, but also you're playing into a tusk who can really easily
Kill an offlaner who just walks away from you and then jikiro plus Sven, which is this stun guy plus
the most annoying position five to play against in the game for killing you so on one hand
I think necker is awesome, and I'm glad they picked it
But on the other hand it's a shit hero, and I feel like Paravision has
heroes to punish it
I'm curious how Falcons deals with that. I just like this pen picks. I'm gonna go. I'm doubling down on Falcons
Hmm. I understand the war cry against like DK minus armor and Bristol minus armor
But if they manage to kite the fight long enough
He's gonna go Kaplui, Jengis.
I just like that they have good kill potential for sure with Necrolty.
Like, Timbersaw is usually a huge pain in the ass to kill.
Hitting him to half HP now gives like a realistic kill opportunity against him.
I think that's really cool.
And obviously the laning stage might be a little bit rough for Necrol, but I don't know, it's just kind of good.
One out of you, how many?
25.
The question is we have one gets each
Seven bronze I'm thinking 30 25
Wow
This guy does he have a lot? Oh my god insane. Oh, I love it. What are we up to five now?
That's like six eggs. Yeah, just six or six seven
Those y'all plays out
Let's see if it's enough because if faculty's end up winning maybe we'll get a permission
we can ask him how many level 30 heroes he has. We're going to go over to Sunspen Sengren.
Those are some memes right there. I love memes.
Welcome everybody to game 2!
We Falcons and Paravision we have
Another new level 30 reveal of Corrupted
The man sitting in for both State of the Light
Which was very short lived and the Maw the Mother-Ever
Necrophos and I love these heroes
Me too, love my favorite heroes of the play
But I see some issues.
What's your issue?
Actually, I need to double check.
Oh, it's not the shard anymore, is it?
Alright, while you check this, while you check it,
he also has a monocle and a top hat on this hero.
Just like Axe.
Unbelievable.
I'm starting to see a pattern here.
I was going to say Sven could buy shard,
but then I was like, wait, the shard now is the armor one.
so you have to actually buy a full axe to counter
uh... necrophos
he's more likely to buy nullifier before that to be honest yeah
that's just one of the damage
but yeah
this is going to be interesting to watch so
i'm a huge necro fan myself i can't say with confidence just how well this is
going to go i think the lane matchup with earth spirit you don't have very
much to help necro with
so i'm imagining spend jacquero are going to
put a lot of pressure on corrupted
It's going to be super important for him to get last hits early so he can sustain his health pool.
You can see he already starts with two tangos and a salve. He knows what he's in for, bottom lane.
The core-to-core matchups are good. You kill Timbersaw very well.
You're pretty decent at killing the Beastmasters well, and even Sven, but...
I think Necropho struggles with the most, is getting jumped and burst, and, I mean...
You got to Sven Beastmaster, and a lot of pure damage.
He's going to have to buy DKB this game, I think. There's just too much...
Random garbage that's going to kill him in the fight can they prevent I mean so far so good for paravision
But denying the Lotus for corrupted also
Yep
Has to be towards the top priority because it's one of the best Lotus carrying heroes in the game as corrupted just dies under his tier one tower
Not a good start for the cursed hero that we both love tinder and he's not gonna
Do too well perhaps I think this hero can play all three lanes and I think this is his worst one
That's my overall.
Stafelite Necro?
Yeah, I think Stafelite Necro is a lot better.
It has its games, when you have...
Let's imagine this game, these quarter-core matchups.
If you lane swapped and put DK off lane,
I would almost like that more, then he also dodges timber.
I just think Necro off lane in a meta
that is so heavily positioned 5,
specific 5s favored,
that hero cannot play from behind.
Oh, crits!
Nicely timed and it just to die there to the neutral camp
Yeah, it's uh
It's tough when you fall behind so
But he did die the once still now that Elaine is in an okayish position for him to contest some CS so that's good news
It's a little solo XP as well not too shabby
Curious how he's gonna skill here if he's gonna go to 1-0 or if it's gonna start
He's holding his point to be able to put into ghost route. He needs it
And the thing I love about Necro, I guess it's more for playing but it makes it more interesting to cast as well
I suppose is there are so many different items you can go on this hero. I feel like
I mean, I don't even know what he would want to I mean Lotus seems pretty damn good this game against Roar against Ben Stun
He's clearing up Vestal for now, which is great against Timber in particular, but it's also good against Axe Beast.
So I like that choice. One of the problems Necro falls into is that the hero pool, or rather the health pool of the hero is too low, so you kind of need to compensate.
So he's going one bracer into Vestal, both items give a decent chunk of HP.
Because you need to survive the initial burst so that you can leverage the healing bonus that you get from Ghost Shroud.
Let's look at the other lanes for a moment here, so Bristol made against Beastmaster probably
going to be pretty even.
Bristol getting a bit of an advantage here on Mal-Reen against no one.
And then finally top timber, Tusk into Dragon Knight Warlock.
Not the most interesting of lanes, but there is some kill potential for the Tusk
in September when they get a couple of levels.
9th class playing a lot of different stuff.
This time the Tusk.
He's putting on his normal shoes here today.
Just to see how they feel.
Puppy looking over his shoulder, I'm sure.
In spirit, because he's not allowed to do it physically anymore.
Here he comes, bottom.
Necropose.
It gets kicked away.
This is that ghost try to get pretty healthy.
be crit in the meantime will be blocked off and taken out by satanic a good
rotation from nine class yeah it's easier to leave timber alone against this
lane I actually think tusk shouldn't go back top at all I think he's better off
playing bottom and just zoning out the necro make his game miserable do like
some sort of pseudo trial in for a couple minutes here because timber saw
is going to pre-farm almost against DK warlock they do nothing to them he
He just needs the creeps to connect him, and in the meantime, you can completely nullify
the Necro that hero hates being outnumbered.
My class is sticking around.
Balkans might expect this, and therefore they are going to connect to snaking, so it's a
game of rock, paper, scissors, if you will, with the rotations of both teams of Chosen
Rock.
So no one's going to die by that.
Pretty much.
right now. No one at a level disadvantage in the midland. I mean, Malarine has been
known to take the creeps with him and amplify his farm to a high degree. As a higher CS
as a result, but not a crazy amount. Of course, a lot of those are jungle creeps, so kind
of tough to tell. But definitely having the level advantage right now. It's got a Crack
6 now on the east master, though, that unlocks some plays for far vision. Okay,
Okay, I'm going to roll away.
Six to the power rune, but no one looking for the roar.
Get the blood grenade onto Malarine.
He is just stuck in place and down and out.
And the rune is top, so he can take his time getting that one.
Let's be a bit careful with this fatal bonds.
Baribasian will back away.
3-0 start for them.
This is such a good rune to get.
Bring a bottle on Beastmaster.
This hero unlocks the ability to solo kill certain heroes when he gets this rune.
You do so much damage by yourself with Beast Mode when you have an amp damage.
You could potentially think about trying to kill the Dragon Knight when his ulti becomes ready in a minute.
Or I think he can solo Bristol if he roars him from the front.
Or at least very close too, so he needs a tiny bit of help.
Everybody else I think is more or less fair game.
Just take out Corrupted, about to get ganked.
Nine Class is there, with the tag team.
get some inside of the shards nine classes gonna die first though
use a storm hammer on to crit, slowed a bit but I don't think they're finishing that
in fact you call us has to pop
couple regen items just to stay alive but
no one coming in with the damage rune and corrupted kinda committed already
slow down and will be swiftly
eaten up by satanic
as far as wisdoms go both went to falcons
So Mal-Reen and, or rather Skitter and Mal-Reen together were able to box out the left one.
You're saying they got both in Snake Kings level 3?
Yeah.
Okay.
And he has one Grimlord charge. This might be the slowest level 6 Warlock rule.
Is this Mira?
I don't know.
Is this guys?
Mira on Warlock?
He's given a lot of it to Skitter and I like that choice a lot because it gives him the fast level 6 so he can do this.
This is my design. Okay, he missed the last hit, maybe now he doesn't like it so much, but it's all good.
They take the top tower at minute eight.
Something Valkyrie in particular has been very adamant about is the value of taking out this tower
to protect the Tormentor for themselves when they're dire.
Corrupted now going to reach level six. Keep an eye out for that repurse site, one of the coolest abilities in the entire game, of course.
Except when it canceled Bi-Backs, that was stupid.
Stupid, stupid.
That was funny though, for a while. Unbelievable.
To be fair, Bi-Backs were a real problem that night.
Just looked at it as a pseudo solution for the issue, but then they found out, hey!
Just put it on a six-minute timer.
And it's not too shabby.
Wasn't it after Bi-Backs got cooled down?
I don't remember fully. I just know that Bi-Backs were reworked.
Yeah.
Like six to seven times, I think.
Yeah, choose to that.
Roll from current, getting away from trouble.
What?
No one.
They get the roar and they snowball away.
Yeah, that roll was unnecessary.
A bit of miscommunication there from parry, I guess.
They're relative to low cooldown.
Not much luck.
Ring with the haze.
I'm trying to take advantage of these starved supports
that did not get to benefit from any of the Wisdoms.
So, Tannock has his Mask of Madness taken out of a nice juicy ancient stack.
Yeah, I'm curious to see his build here. It feels like a great Silver Edge game, but...
Sven has a little bit of an issue with item slots in the sense that if you want to get Nullifier against Necro,
You want to get Silver against Bristol DK, and you want to have a...
Then you're probably not buying Blink, right?
Like, you can't have all three of those items while also having DKB treads plus...
You need a big damage item, and you probably need Tatehannock.
Yeah.
So, let's see what order he goes.
Looks like the...
Echo Saper first, which is standard for farming.
Yeah, you want Harpoon as well.
You want a little bit of everything.
I think this is gonna be quite...
Insightful into what he considers the biggest threat of the game goes about this to Colis
It's kicked in
And first free precise out the game corrupted. That's a stack
Great probably got inspired by seeing boxy play risk for you like is this her actually playable
It's one of his favorite all-time heroes of course together with planks
Which he never gets to play because it can't be played as a support anymore
Don't worry, in its 17-3 work since 2015, it will be a support again.
Corrupted on the Necrofos. I wonder in the pubs, and against this to level 30, like we were talking about, this character can go basically any items, but you play greedier in pubs, right?
You're going for like radiances, aggs, heart, things like that.
But game-specific, but probably more on average than you would in this game.
He's going for the Greed's build here as there is reinforcements from ParaVision.
Chakram is on the way.
Crit able to roll out.
Malarine's stuck inside, but they're not going to focus him.
Corrupted gets on the outskirts here as Malarine, kind of all alone.
As he's burning up in that Jakiro ult, and he's going to be the one that is left alone,
left to die rather, by Falcons.
That was kind of encouraging to see for Falcons to be honest.
as well as the 5v3 and they made it look close no warlock I think the angle is
kind of weird with the shards yeah kind of blocked a lot out
so the only getting the bristle there isn't the greatest reward for our vision
on the rotation but no one I mean he's still working on his Agnus Scepter
which we've seen just like every game today every game is out of these
Master feels like there's been a lot of these two there
Now rain opting for blade mail
Definitely a really good blade mail game
For a while who buys Lotus
His necker is going for the grease could the lowest afterwards she was is also excellent for up to it
And a spot at the jacquero another reefers scythe to his name nine-class. Oh, he actually gets stuck
Oh, okay, just swap benchful spirit sighting. Okay
Let's get a replay of Venge, first pick of the tournament.
Did he actually cross them himself while pulling in Earth Spirit with the same shard?
That was weird.
I mean, at this point it's kind of commonplace for tusks to push themselves out with the
shards, but doing that while pulling someone in is not common science.
I think they're all just very far apart.
So he's legitimately stuck here, but they're right next to each other.
It's so funny.
It's crazy that that's possible when Earth Spirit is on the left.
Yeah, that makes no sense.
Because there's just no real estate in the area he was standing.
I don't know.
I think that Earth Spirit would get pushed to the left then.
You would think.
OK, nice.
Play the game.
Mechanic of the game.
That would be an interesting segment, actually.
Yeah, it would be a lot of games where
Mechanic of the game is pretty uninteresting.
Either a bug or a thing.
I don't know about that, actually.
Most games have some interesting mechanics.
I feel like we talk about at least one mechanic per game on average.
Yeah, but how many of them are interesting?
Well, that's subjective, I guess.
You ask Farbrat, then zero.
Yeah, that's right.
Shout out to him.
He's definitely listening.
I'm Gorkstream.
This is like the smallest internal jump and we're exposing everybody to it.
Alright, are they gonna get four wisdoms here, Falcons? Looks like it.
Really?
The left-hand side is theirs and they're getting on the left area though, but he's all alone.
Alright.
Oh, nice kick away from Crit.
Crit takes it in the end.
Golem comes out from snaking.
Blademill activated from Malarine.
Attempted TP.
Looks to be fine.
No one in the company want to fight though.
They take out Crit to start things out.
Now the Primal Roar onto the Bristol back.
The ice path to follow back is turned now, but it's too late.
The dragon comes in though, the satanic wants to fight it out, gets the storm hammer applied.
That's a lot of damage.
He's trying to deny himself to the creeper, at least get some life back with that mask
of madness.
And lucky for him, nobody else takes damage with those fatal bonds applied.
But 9 class, he still wants to fight this out.
Can trap him in with the shards.
Chockrum is there from SSS, gets the burst damage with the timber chain, and the
accident at the last moment from no one.
It feels like they played that on the edge perfectly.
That was gorgeous.
Alice is super clean.
How is this team winless, man?
Yeah.
I think they're asking themselves that, too.
They had a great group stage one.
Weird how the tables turn between both Parvizion and Maus
after a good start.
There's a lot of nice decels here.
Noteworthy, though.
Necrophos never showed up because they have travels.
It's a pretty common build on Necrophos to go travels,
whether you go the Vessel or the Radiant.
Because the hero has very bad mobility in general.
And you want to connect to fights you can use Reaper.
But now that he's going Greed, their fights happen away from him.
He can't really contribute to the attack, and it was so close to dying to Bonds, by the way.
Look, another fight at Steam's production will get his Reaper scythe back.
Oh, they're fighting next to him. That's easier.
Yeah.
Axe is coming though.
SSS can throw around a twisted chakram, but no connection made.
Nekro having 325 movespeed with Arkeens, it's just...
Lord.
That's a lot.
No windblast, many rebels.
Would you like to see two boots?
Would you like the two out of the one-third of Slashbill?
That...
Well, no.
Would not like that.
Sometimes that's good on him. I don't think it's good this game.
Looks like he'll go 4 star.
It's a decent value here to just get a windblast on.
If you have the slot.
Why don't he use a 10 for a star when he gets agged?
Assuming he goes agged.
I think 4 star is probably just better than...
Also because of Ice Shards, Ice Path.
There's just a lot of things you can dodge, which is really nice.
But yeah, he's not going to have a windblast in his inventory.
He opted for the fluff he had instead,
furthering the thing I was talking about with health being
being the primary concern for this hero early on.
Is this the regular fast that we didn't really talk about, Necron?
We don't see him all that much.
This is my favorite one.
The rapid decay.
You steal so much movespeed and you slow people to a crawl.
And I guess if you're not buying travels,
this gets significantly more valuable to you, relatively
speaking, because it's a way of getting
on top of heroes in the fight.
You casco shroud, you steal a lot of movement speed.
You're playing against four melee heroes.
You're probably going to connect on two or three of them.
And in addition to that, you're also decreasing their region.
Which is a Restoration Amp, I should say.
Yeah.
The other one's a lot of fun, though, I have to say.
Reducing Restoration Amp against Timbers on Beast Pest,
which sounds really good.
Yeah, for sure.
I like it a lot here.
I like it a lot.
Yeah, next step.
Shout out to Perrin Flaps, of course.
Definitely awake.
What time is it?
It's a bit past midnight now.
Yeah, he's interested.
Half past.
He goes to bed at 9 these days.
Yep.
Go down him.
It's Roshan time!
Big chaotic offering from snaking right on Roshan's face, unsuspecting victim.
Well, they get the kick out, spirit, missile right now into the silence.
Oh, the beautiful save!
Oh, he repers my students!
So, if it was two, yeah, that was way too fast, and he gets the kill.
Oh my goodness.
Oh, he had to wait a little bit longer.
He still took the damage.
Oh no.
Gonna need to replay that after this fight is over.
Axe is continuing in, though.
Trying to get some stacks up.
30 seconds away from Timber though, so this is a four versus five.
Axe is again, macro-pire now.
Helps them rotate.
Skeeter just gonna focus on the Roche and they will get the Roche. Close to steal.
If he doesn't release that Snowball early, maybe this is actually the most effective.
Yeah, 100% instead now.
Change is completely bonus kill.
courtesy of Earth Spirit
Damn, that was some duality of 9 class stuff right there. Such a beautiful setup with the Snowball.
That's too early.
I'm gonna question the Tier 2 a bit, as he now has an Aegis to work with.
I'm very surprised SSS is this poor on the Timber.
I thought this top lane would go better for him even after Tusk left.
I mean look at this.
It's a nice, great opening.
Oooooooh!
Honestly, just by looking at it, it looked like he shouldn't have taken damage, but it must have been real close.
He was.
You can see the darkness in his eyes and his room, for that matter.
Average room of a Timberstaw enjoyer.
Alright, top tower. It's gone. And it's TORMEN TIME!
Can paravision do anything? Or do they just have to give it up?
I don't think you can test this, you're not in position on the map at all, it's gonna
feel very rushed.
What an interesting enemy, a cube.
Yes.
Fear of stuff or...
You could have Roshan's like sister, yeah, or stun, it's a Namtha.
Snaking with a shark.
Are you okay?
Are you okay?
Give me the worst possible name you can think of for Roshan's sister.
I got one. What is League's name?
Their version of Roshan? Yeah. It's an anagram of Roshan.
It's Nashor. Oh, yeah, that's right. Is that the worst you can think of? Yeah, there we go.
What do you think about Debbie? That was an artifact, hero.
That was great. Do you think that would be a good name for Roshan's sister? Yeah, why not?
Funny.
How about Queen Elizabeth the second?
I think that's copyrighted.
Copyrighted me.
All right, Dragon Tail!
Yep, he tried to get something cheeky going, but will take a Reaper's Scythe instead.
This is looking quite good for Corrupted, I have to say.
Yeah, he's got one five.
I think he actually as off-lane necrophos pretty much all you can ask for
He has been doing a great job as a stand-in for the Falcons overall
He wants to fight still, gets off the God's strength
He immediately get chaotic offering from Snake, but he still finds the kill on the crit
Looking for the gullum it burns up eventually, but now he's just in a nightfall away
All right, so it was a hit and run. Yep
Crit wasn't the target, but I think he blinked into the ice path looking to
silence her kick and kind of just blinked into this demise immediately.
That's nothing else that is the PKB and God's Strength used from Satanic.
Alright, this is gonna be life number one. Nobody's really that nearby. They
I don't know that though. Corrupted in the area now.
Noreen just burns out for nothing if you- I mean how much time was left on him?
Quite a bit, right? At least a couple minutes.
I think so. I was kind of playing a game of...
I'm struggling to find out what I was gonna say. Just pushing the limits.
Kind of trying to fake them out essentially.
saying to Parvizion, we're in the neighborhood, you can't go on me and they just call the
bluff and just kill us.
That's a lot of cooldowns now for Parvizion, no BKB on Sven, no Ulti, no Roar, but these
cooldowns are relatively short and Falcons don't find an immediate rebuttal so Parvizions
are on the hunt once more.
And it seems like Mal'Reen might become the victim here.
He's playing the bottom half on their other heroes, Arina's on an island.
Yeah, he's getting collapsed on, he is screwed.
They see him, and they shall kill him, it does the blitz, it'll reflect a lot of damage.
Yeah.
If they had more heroes here, that could have been turned.
He did 3.4k damage, that's twice what they did.
I'm satanic, a little bit scared of corrupt it.
Level 30 Metro, that should always be something that-
They gotta be wary.
respect. He still has the book on snaking. He had no experience, so he somehow didn't
need the book. That's interesting. You'd think that when you have that bad of a starter
on warlock you'd really... I just wish he had gotten a curio item as well. He had two
useless items that he's waiting to cash in on. Big investments for snaking. I think
I'm not Kezu's favorite item though, the Greedy Manograph, so...
...for him.
There's a subset of supports that Greedy is just amazing on because you kind of don't interact with creeps much.
Warlock's one of them. You just cast your...
If you want to wave clear, you just put both of your spells on a creep and leave.
So the whole wave.
Maybe he's going for the Steam Achievement,
which is have the grimoire in your inventory at game end.
Hmm.
While winning.
Yup.
Sure, that's the Steam Achievement.
I think I've actually had steam achievements for Dota 2 briefly or had him planned and then they cancelled it.
Probably because they thought people were going to grief games in order to complete their achievements.
Jokes and Valve, people just grief them for even less of a reason, so they might as well put them in.
That's human nature right there.
And the Tanaq... Oh boy, Dragon Tail distorted out into the roll.
Can he get the BKB? Off-reaper scythe is enough.
My goodness, corrupted.
On another level right now.
Huge kill.
And it's, yeah, just such a clean and gauged, drag and tail into kickback.
Very nice.
So his reapers size are giving him a whopping 7 HP regen and 7 mana regen.
That one, the bigger one, of course.
Yeah.
This used to be a lot better.
Yeah.
But, um...
We can't have nice things on Necro, so...
Understandable.
I can imagine this is one of the more difficult heroes for Valve to balance for multiple brackets at the same time.
Yep.
This hero might just be a lot better in lower practice than the higher ones, because people don't focus far correctly by the wrong items, or...
This is very much an equilibrium hero, where you can waste a ton of your damage if you don't 100 to 0, and he just outheals it, and it kills you, and it feels very unfair.
Yeah, it literally just goes shroud, that's hard to balance.
Yeah, the rest is very balanced.
So that I say, get good.
Get nullifier.
Yeah, looks good too.
In which he will have to buy BKB, which he doesn't want to.
Now there's a BKB on a SSS here on Timber, so he finally gets to go in with some confidence.
This has been a tough game for him, but his hero has been unlocked officially.
They have the one on Malrin as well, so triple BKBs, seems like Carvision have the tools
they would want to have to fight, and that is indeed the case.
They're going to smoke up now, looking for trouble.
KT currently showing bottom though
They're showing spells mid as well as they move in the cover of smoke. No one with the roar TP incoming from corrupted
They get snaking
Can they get out though?
Well corrupt is gonna get punched and they still want to fight this chop them right on top of them as well
Dual breath to follow before staffs away though, so
Well, they don't have detection, that was close, if they had a dust that could have gone really
bad.
Gets out, now ring with a shield run, you don't want to touch that.
They don't have Largo so they can't remove it.
Unfortunate, unlucky, unlucky guys.
Satanic will get the tier one he gets drag until there is the snowball this time waiting a little bit longer now
He pops the DKB in a retreat DKB now for the DK as well focusing on no one who's just
Tempted the site what he wants to do instead. He just runs and will eventually die to the reefer site
Whoa pops the Lotus though doesn't give the charge away still dies nonetheless
Now find nine classes well so too dead for para vision in the meantime Satanic ran down cron the river
part of his escape play gets one kill on the way out but this still looks overall
very good for Falcons, Sven a hero that generally needs to play from I would say
further ahead than this against these heroes or you need to strike hard very
soon when you get the Silver Edge I think you've got to be very decisive
and find some big key kills early in the fights. Yep. The good news for them
is you're kind of playing without reliable saves on Falcons so if you
You get a roar into Sven jump.
You can kill any of the five heroes in that stun.
Except if Crit can blink kick them away.
That's the one pseudo save that Falcons have.
And Crit is doing what Boxie did as well,
which is to blink into Aether Lens.
So drawing inspiration from Liquid's position four build
here.
curious to see what he does next. If it's Ags, if you want to be really happy.
You have a Topsin build?
That's probably, everything's a Topsin build, right?
True.
Whenever somebody's good, just give credits to Topsin.
Everybody will just be like, yep, that's right, that's my goat.
Man.
Damn it.
Why does the button stop working after time?
That was funny.
Of course, Topsin got his ideas from Miracle originally.
Originally the concept of ideas was invented by miracle and then talks into that's right now rain has the damage room
Okay, I'm gonna swing away get out and they scout that do they still want to fight into this
Roche
Little bit of delay we've got some internal lag here 20 seconds lag on this on the button. Let's try again
All right, it's live. We're perfect. Thank you production. Can we go?
Silver edge. It's gonna be shown here.
Satanic.
We're gonna start things out.
Skeeter is gonna spot J'Kyro.
Dragon versus Dragon.
Action!
Satanic jumps in, but can't do much.
Doesn't use his BKB, but did use God's Strike.
They lose to J'Kyro right off the bat.
There's no one again completely isolated from his team.
I think the fight just ends here.
That was very disconnected from Part of it.
I don't really need to get the hell out of here.
I think that's the worst target for Satanic
The jump on is the DK, that's the guy he jumps.
He has to run away immediately as Skitter pops his BKB and then randomly after no one
just jumps in.
Oh!
Alright they find a little tasty treat!
Like hey, I can break you!
This uh...
Uh...
I want the last linker time, it is down and out close though.
Very sloppy compared to these Team 3 levels.
This is not where they want to be yet.
Yeah, finding Malrin with the Silver Edge there is nice.
They tend to even pop the BKB for that completely unnecessarily, but...
Oh, there's a tray of that blade now perhaps.
I didn't want to hit himself.
Can he kill himself on that though?
No, but I don't know if somebody's nearby maybe.
True, I mean maybe he was worried about some help, but realistically speaking you
just killed Earth Spirit and the other girls were...
Yeah, maybe he wasn't sure how far away they were.
ages for falcons.
Most of the skidder on the PK.
They really need this Shiva's on SSS.
It's just about by it already.
That is a, yeah, I think we just bought it now.
That's a huge ride of this game.
It's Bristol against Necro against Dragon Knight.
Just super, super effective.
Of course they did nerf a bit in the last big patch.
In terms of its usefulness, first is the health regen.
It still just such a feels good item for heroes to have, it's also good for the Beastmaster.
You can see no one wants to buy his own as well, so they're going double Shiva.
Huh.
Maybe a little bit of overkill.
Huh.
And crit with a godly shard for this game.
Which one is that?
of teammate yeah yeah so it's not very fast it's 900 speed on the pull but just
having anything to save people or by time when they get roared it's very good
he had it in his quick buy anyway now it gets it gifted for free so perhaps can
start thinking about that axe you want it too
Falcons looking pretty good yeah Gaben gives them 69% right now nice it's
Pretty nice.
But when there's a Sven, there's a way.
There is definitely a way.
Gotta get the surprise jump, you gotta find the right target.
And that right target is generally not gonna be DK, but...
He is pushing your base, so what are you gonna do about it?
As the Aegis...
They use the Rosh banner as well, so that Tannock harpoons him into the mackerel pyre.
As a long-ass stun onto the Timber Stun who gets kicked into the fray, past the BKB,
the Skeeter, already super low.
That chick arguably hoped power-
Yeah, I think so.
Timber was too tanky.
They couldn't burst him.
They didn't have to follow up stuns, and he just forces out DK's...
I think he fought...
No, not even the BKB.
He just forced him away, but Crit, of course, completely compromises his position, setting
that up.
going all in on a DK with Aegis is perfectly fine. What is he doing after he revives?
True, he's definitely a lot weaker obviously, but if you go way too all in and Falcons get
to respond with like Fatal Bonds Golem and Earth Spirit, I think you could pay them price.
You have to be careful.
Oh, the Golem comes out, Static focusing on Warlock despite him already using his
ult gets the Harpoon and will just nightfall away. But can he? No! Mal'Reen just
It hits like a truck!
Three first-dive now, brings nine-class to his knees.
That is an insane move to pull off as two players there, I think.
They were hoping to pull a quick one, but if Falcons are even remotely close together on their heroes, this is just never gonna work.
Look at the met placement of the radiant heroes when this play is pulled off.
They have three teammates that are like five seconds away.
Nobody's going there.
They were not...
I-I don't...
I don't know.
And 33 minutes?
Yeah, with this...
He might have just lost the game off of him.
Yeah, it's possible. 48 seconds, no span.
He doesn't have the ability to shoot anything. It's not like he's two-shotting people.
What's the risk reward of that?
It's like...
That's one lane, four Falcons.
As they're trying to go for more J'Kiro back to the base, he goes though.
It's looking like minimum two sets.
Dragon Tail initiation for Skeeter. Nice snowball save. That's a lot of damage on the DK, but
he gets saved by Crit. Thanks for that shard. Corrupted. Just trying to create a little bit
of space while the buildings are taking out. Pretty damn fast. And still retaining
the Aegis for another 50 seconds while responding. I actually want to fight this. Repersciences
available Skeeter, still getting low that's life number one. They get nine class
as there's the jump in from Satanic. This time he does get the Warlock, not
interested in fighting Malrin though, at least not yet. No one now. Spirit Vest will
apply, Dragon Tail as well, crit in the area. Go Shroud and a slow no one quite
a bit, and it gets silenced pretty soon on the Jekiro and they're gonna pop to
that magnetize. Among other things, three dead for Paravision. There's no
SSS attempting but there it is another kill for corrupted absolutely owning this
game 10 2 and 8 the ghost shroud is just so good in these fights to he just runs
down the Beastmaster Beastmasters and Regen in anything it's the break
Satanic but there's the save again from Chris gonna cost him his own life
meanwhile all right corrupt it would give you some praise don't feed now
Dragonite is what they have in their sights. Snowball reflected back into the
Tossed Skeeter, gets punched in the air. That's enough damage. They're gonna take out the
Bristol back as well. Now an attempted TP. Do they have a stun? No. Nothing can
stop Corrupted it seems as he buys an Aghanim Scepter. So technically
Paravision to Fen, but still down two sets. It's gonna be rough. And it costs
We lost a 2-by-backed, yeah.
It is expensive, but...
You gotta do it, obviously.
You can see the promise of what Parvizion's lineup is meant to do,
when they do get to connect their spells when BKBs are down.
It's just they've been wildly inconsistent in this game with...
Not so much the spellcasting, I would say, just being on the same page.
We had the no-one jump in completely alone 1v3 earlier,
and around the top half of the map.
Then we had the two-man play at the enemy outpost that cost them two lanes of barracks
Like without those two mistakes, maybe the game's even
Dockens are just kind of getting handed these easy moments for themselves and at this level you just can't make
Mistakes that critical this late into the game
You've got to have formation or if you want to go for two-man plays
Generally, you make them in side lanes where heroes aren't tight together
Or you got to bring more numbers now
SnakeTang, is that...
Barely.
Okay, he's messing things up, that's very funny.
It's still only a 4k lead somehow.
Yup, I mean, they gave away a lot of kills bottom.
So...
It's not over yet.
SnakeTang, it has a crystalist now.
If you like this Daedalus,
we'll make a big difference as long as they can find the jump.
That's the interesting thing to think about in this game is,
I was talking about it, like, what way are you gonna build your items?
And he wanted both Silver Edge and Harpoon, so the Daedalus comes out very late.
Generally speaking, Sven without Crit is just not strong enough because the blink burst you go for,
which is the way the serial wins fights is that he kills people before they can react.
And he just hasn't been able to do that with this build up, so that's the question.
What's the Harpoon necessary? Could you have maybe only got Echo and then got a bigger Crit earlier?
Or is there a world where you don't buy Silver Edge, even though it looks so good into these heroes?
You can, to some extent, rely on Timbersaw to kill the strength carries as well?
So you don't have to be the one doing it?
That's true.
Necrophos, of course, the winner of Best Laugh of Dota Contest of all time.
If you want nightmares, it's so good. The voice acting this year is perfect.
Just like Kes.
No!
What about Kid Invoker? Your favorite.
What's better, Kes or Kid Invoker?
That's better than Kid Invoker.
A crying baby would have been better.
Also more accurate for...
...playing this game.
Falcons are slowing things down drastically.
As things went quite wrong, they're still in a good spot, but now that Satanic has unlocked
his true power, yeah, there's a window for parry vision.
He can actually kill people, like you saw in the previous fights how long he took to
jump and kill the warlock.
Now it's, now we're looking at potential two shot territory if he gets one crit on
one of the swings.
So Falcons, this needs to be executed correctly, so many defensive armor items.
Two Lotus Orbs, Solar Crests.
No AC, though.
Spell for both sides.
Roche is up.
This has to go fast for the side of Pargash.
They're going the long way around, but the top wave is a dead giveaway.
Falcon should realize it now.
out there is standing in position to break the smoke he's going to be saved
immediately if they go on him oh wait a second all they punch him
creeps dead the macro fire now on top of he's actually perfectly fine DKB now
from Static focusing on the Necro can't do shit and again no one all alone
doing a decent amount of damage but completely isolated this is the third
time but they're gonna try to turn this around Reaper Stipe is enough to
take no one down and out and the tempted TP from Static is not
successful he is dead for 90 that potentially could do it no buybacks
available crit with the triple kill as GGs are called we're going the distance
now seems like the mindset for Parvizion in a couple of these fights is no
one is going to jump the backline support and then hoping that Esther
and Timbersaw can or excuse me spend and Timbersaw can take care of business
in the front, but didn't seem like any of the kills will pull
down successfully when you do it that way, but we've got to give credit to Corrupted,
especially this final wave. He blinked into the wave to bait the engage,
in his pick-goes shroud, assuming they're coming there on the smoke, effectively
breaking their smoke and their initiation completely, so I personally
would have liked to see from Parviz in this game some more combinations.
It felt very much like everybody was playing a little bit too much for
himself instead of like getting a roar into Sven kill someone or you know Sven's done into timber combo
Yeah, I felt like no one was just like alone. Yeah, he was doing very much his own stuff
Yeah, that doesn't cut it and double she was like surely that's not the most optimal
Satanic not going data list that early. So he's getting like a wet noodle
Just a tough game for bear vision to begin another chance in game over three soon to come
to get another chance in date. Let's see if they can do it first. Now we're going to
break this game down and tell you guys exactly how Falcon's is able to win game number two,
forcing out that third game Jenkins. You were already a big believer in the Necro
foes. Actually, I just believe they would pick it. Every time that I predict Necro
foes, which usually be the only hero I can ever predict in a draft, it goes horribly
for the Necro picking team. So I'm glad to see that that curse was broken here. I really
love the build that he went for going for Vessel. Just generally a very strong item.
Give some stats, make some tanky, give some a strong early game. Brian, I don't know if
you've ever played Necro, you try to go for like boss radiance and then the enemies
go on you and you legit die just because you don't have stats.
Yeah, the hero stat gains are not good. He's one of those heroes that he's
It's kind of like Slark where his spells are meant to do all the things he needs them to do, so his stat gain is...
The naturally have to be bad.
Yeah, so, yeah, he was very naturally tanky with the items that he was going.
I really liked the Spirit Vessel first.
This is how I knew he was a Master Tier Necro player because...
Grand Master Tier Necro player as the Vessel is really powerful because when somebody's full HP, you vessel them,
You press your Q on them in the early to mid game, like they're pretty much a half at that point.
And then you set your ulti, yeah.
So the vessels, the vessel is very good when they're full HP and your ulti is very good when they're low HP.
Exactly.
They just, and it gives you HP.
It genuinely makes sense.
Yeah, it's really strong.
I mean, it's nice to see Necro as a hero do something in a game.
I feel like a lot, a part of it is crit on Earth's spirit, like the way that he played lane.
He was very sacrificial.
He was off dying every now and then, but then you'd see the camera go back and corrupt it is free-farming the wave in front of his tower.
One versus two, sure, but like Necro's actually kind of happy about that because he can sustain through getting harassed by the support, and he likes the levels.
So like all in all, Falcons played very well around the Necro this game.
The power of the Necro is that since you had DK and Bristle, the enemy carry pretty much has to go Silver Edge, which means they can't go Nullifier.
So, I think that's like the one item that makes Necro really suck, maybe 30 minutes plus, and who's gonna buy it on the Radiant lineup?
They didn't have good Necro or good Milifires, and I think the other thing that would bad for them was the Timbersaw's net worth was not good.
I don't know what happened on the laning stage, but he was like a good chunk lower, and he's against the Necro-Poseye game.
So it's like he just had a really ruffle in there. It was hard for him.
I would have liked to see the nullifier come out actually because I'm curious what a grandmaster tier
Necroplayer would do to counteract that like is it is it Lincoln's as you just build really tanky is it bkb to
Resist through the through the nullifier
Perhaps we even have a chance to ask that if they end up end up winning the series
But of course perhaps have to wait and see for game three for that one
But to relive game two still a little bit more purge. I believe you've got something to take us through
Yeah, I have two examples of fights. There was a early team fight that was relatively impactful and then later on the nice Necro stuff.
This fight was pretty sick. It was kind of even here. But take a look at Timbersaw's network, see what I mean?
It's like 2,000 behind every other core in the game at this engagement. He does escape, which is good.
This macro part is really good for separating the enemy squad.
but whatever happened in the safe lane did not go well for him and it just made
the game so much harder so even though this this fight went about even it almost
really bad. Titanic very close to dying here barely got enough life to go from
these creeps so that fight ended up being okay for him but as the game continued
they just started getting these really nice hits and the kills that really set
up the necrofoce while he gets all this gold advantage he bought four
staff he bought greaves he bought sheevas afterwards he bought aggs he was
tanky and most importantly he was pressing his ghost shroud at the right
times I love that how he took that last fight he came up to the creep wave he
doubled into instantly press a ghost shroud and it just made the fight one
for them because they didn't have the null fire yet so he just anticipate
like they're in jumping but he really used the net worth in a good way a lot
of Necros don't do that so that was impactful.
Four. That's the fourth one of the tournament or something.
Yeah, it was one and two before that game, man.
That's what this patch said.
Let's spin other games.
I mean, there's a lot of games that it looks like a good Necrofo skin to be fair.
And then people I think regret it.
50-50 now.
Yeah.
Good for him.
Finally, we're going to see some patch where Necros not completely awful.
True, that was hiding.
I have a question. The first three series that Paravision played in this group stage were all 0-2s.
Pretty bad.
Then they had a 1-2 against bedroom.
They said they had a 1-2 against Team Liquid.
So you know, they're improving.
But have they improved to the point where they might be able to win their first series here for Dream League?
Did they win their game 2s or did they win their game 1s in those series?
This is a really difficult question.
I thought you had it in front of you. That's why I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to put you
You're putting me on the spot by it!
Run the numbers. Run the numbers.
I actually have a... I could tell you.
I know it yesterday because we weren't there for that series. We were literally in this very seat.
I believe you.
Yeah, I believe myself.
They won game one, Betboom. They won game one, Liquid. So this is it. That's it for them.
Congratulations to Team Falcons.
Congratulations to Team Falcons for the 2-1 victory.
Now, can you check actually, does the game time keep getting lower?
Or are the game threes ever like blockbuster?
Uh, the game threes have been absolutely devastating for Paravision.
It's 27 minutes and 26 minutes.
Ooh, okay, so 25 minute GG for second Falcons.
In both periods.
The second one is a long game.
It's like 50 minutes plus.
One of the games is 12 minutes.
That was not long, so maybe they're due for that one.
Is that English, Brian?
It's really late here.
I hope the teams are not as tired as we are today.
I'm not tired.
I'm also very comfortable with the blanket and the cookie.
Yeah, this is great. I'm having a ball because I'm with my friends
I feel like I see a hair on that. What there's a hair, right? Oh, I see this is not a hair
This is fluffy from probably something like this or clothes or yours. No, that's the hair that I put in the cookies
I put a hair because I thought it'd be good for structural integrity. It's probably arse fiber. Yeah, that's our fibers
Yeah fibers exactly. Well, no, you wanted to give the cookie tower fiber because you can't have a cookie tower without a good fiber
Exactly because it's good for your bowels and digestion. Yeah, don't worry. It took me a little bit
But I got to wear bra. He meets in humans internet
Not funny not funny Joe
Guess I'm sick is every time syndrome would say no one goes for a jump in in the green room Brian and I would go
Why is he talking about when nothing's happening and nobody else laughed also not funny
It's funny. All right, no promise. We're gonna keep it together for this series
There's one more game coming your way Paravision versus Falcons game three after break
That bloody time!
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I don't want those young men to be done
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That was sick. Let's see it again.
Keep our love so emotional
Keep the people we can call a sky
I weigh my love on high
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I
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Thank you for coming!
Thanks, Brad.
That was sick. Let's see the end.
It's the one thing I feel, I'll all disappear
You know I am not what you pretend
This is the day that I must say
But to you, it's what I got to do
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But it's no fun now, so that's just a good time
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Now that justice we seek in the North we don't speak
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I have no choice, a love has no more
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But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, you don't want more
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But it's over now, so let's just say good-bye
We have one more game coming your way, Pyrovision Thousands in the Puddlesmode!
Group stage number 2, year for New Year's Eve in 208.
Tomorrow is the Puddlesmode group stages and there's also a high chance for tiebreakers
so we made sure that we fit everything in one day.
So make sure you get yourself ready for a full day of Dota 2 tomorrow as well,
but of course today is not yet done.
Today we're going to see another Beastmaster. That's three games in a row!
Oh, it's 0-2 so far, she's...
I, with Shadowfiend being gone, I feel like one of the solutions is Clinkz.
I feel like we saw an earlier game where Clinkz just did a crazy amount of damage to this hero from range.
And as long as you're not the guy getting jumped, it's fine.
And as long as your team doesn't have to retreat at the same time, it's fine.
You can't pick it here, obviously this early, but maybe at some point later they can.
I like saves against it, as well.
Like I think if you're gonna run some clinks like
Ring master tusk also looks good. I think you kind of need like a multi-faceted way of dealing with beasts because
Pretty strong right now. Like I feel like you're pretty much guaranteed to play against the mid game strength of this hero
We have not seen it lose lane yet at the very least it gets very farmed in the early game
That's why I like having clinks or SF because it's like there's so much physical damage that you know
always gonna have a blank and eggs in a vkb but the the the the best i've ever given a
shit it really doesn't care
whatever happened to hear like t a
weaker version of those that's a good question i think we saw at least once this dream league
yeah i was just thinking we're saying a bunch of deso guys
hmm there's the t a maybe the razor is too spooky against it or something
yeah maybe it's bad against a lot of what's good bat riders in the pool
Like, not this game, but like, in the meta pool, yeah, sure.
Razor.
Hmm.
I mean, even running Beast into TA, I feel like.
You could probably do fine.
Feelin' like the boars, right?
Let's go the other way.
True.
Not sure how that matches.
Whatever happened to Gyro then?
Gyro's definitely good against Beast.
But the thing is, it's always Beast mid.
It's always, yeah, it's never Beast off-lane anymore.
You have to be careful of the flex potential.
You could just not go boar on-lane, I feel like.
Is anybody asleep that way?
I've definitely slept on a plane like this, River.
Okay, but also, with this sound?
Not like that, I have a question.
Did you say 100%?
You slept that sound?
That's a good snoring.
I have an honest question for you guys before we get back to the draft.
If you're on a plane and everyone's trying to sleep and the guy in front of you is
snoring his ass off.
And you shake his chair and you wake him up and he goes oh and he doesn't know that it was me
But that was you in this hypothetical that it did woke him up
Is that in world cuz you just saved everybody on the plane from hearing this asshole?
I tend to be a utilitarian so I'd agree that that's the right way to go question. Is this story even sounds?
It is a rhythmic snoring, then you find
Then you're fine. That's where you're going. It's more than you are in your side. So then you then you shouldn't
People can sleep with rhythmic sounds coming at them.
There's not probably somebody who should be using his TPAP machine at home, but you can't
get one of those on a plane, right?
Yeah, you're saving his life.
Yeah, you're potentially, yeah, you're actually a hero.
That's a good way of looking at it.
Maybe.
I like the jaheer-hero against beasts.
The AoE disable is good.
The AoE damage is good.
You don't really care the most if you get reward, I guess.
But as long as you're sitting behind your team, you can usually cover them a little
bit.
Damage lawyers attack speed all good things. You know what? I'm really excited for this game
I want to see what unique level 30 hero corrupted. It's gonna pull out. I agree. I am here for it
Well, we got Largo little 30. Well, he could play the razor. He has played. He's played 26 games a day of Largo
Since release hide centaur axe necro slaughter. He's been level 30 all of them. There's no way he's level 30
I said 6, didn't you?
No, I said 5.
We know he's level 30 on Doom's making told us.
I can tell the guy's 10 level 30 heroes by his face while he's playing this high stakes
pro game.
The guy looks so chill.
He's just looking around, like, chewing his gum.
That's crazy.
He's always got gum.
He's always gum chewers that have high level grandmaster heroes.
What does that say about Doom?
Why are we showing a camera of no one right now?
No, there's somebody on the camera.
Oh.
I like the SD against the Razer.
Ultra against him is excellent.
I'm into this.
Little counter play.
Yeah.
I mean, a Shadow Demon has either one or...
Oh!
Whoa!
Baby!
That's...
Okay, what happens?
Because Finder and Sunfinn...
I'm not saying I like everything, but they keep calling people who pick up damaged runes
the Doctor.
Because it's a damage rune.
I understand.
It's DR, but I'm saying what happens when Witch Doctor is a Doctor.
It's doctor doctor doctor doctor witch
That's your witch doctor is either. They're not the room. They're gonna leave the DD room for him. Yeah
He's gonna you like I'm waiting for it. He's gonna steal her dick
Which doctor is good when are you have to deal with that every time you have like your issues you go to eyes ears and
Throw is this a nine-class hero? He got some of you which doctor. Yeah, which doctor are you talking about?
Well, I was thinking about the eyes ears and throat doctor. Oh
Jenkins, do you think this could be a 9 class witch doctor?
I certainly hope so.
I think he has some weird cool stuff cooking here.
You think?
Yeah.
I don't know if there is anything weird or cooler crazy with witch doctor though.
I pause for it.
There's no...
Yeah.
Like the facet where you would feel damage with your heal which got removed was a good
one I would say for doing these wacky builds.
I would be sad to see if he's playing S.
I'm out. Yeah, that's actually a really good point.
Because it was absolutely BS that you could have an AOE heal that also does damage at the same time.
Yeah, that was like, why was that even ever, even in the game in the first place?
There's too much handle.
What if they're doing...
Did nobody get that?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, we got it.
Damn.
There's tough crowd, tough crowd.
Just plain into it.
Tough crowd.
Plus, you didn't even like pop a grin there.
They did pick Jiro.
Well, it covers the Beastmaster flex, and that'll be, kind of, has to go mid.
In which case, I guess, I mean, they can still play Razor off lane,
but nobody's really doing it anymore. They did it at the start of the tournament a little bit.
Yeah, they don't have the, they don't have the ATF Malorin flex anymore,
so I think it's just going to be Malorin mid with the Razor.
Unless it's level 30 for Corrupted as well, yeah, sorry.
What is with these Malorin friends and all being level 30 Razor?
That's the way that we know.
Malorin doesn't respect you if you're low, low to plus level.
Deloaded a plus level with razor with any hero you were you're not allowed to play it in his team if you don't have a high enough level
I don't know if you're gonna stand in for Falcons. What better sales pitch is there than to say guys I?
Have eight level 30s
My hero pooled ginormous skaters been averaging like silver tier
I mean he's been playing SF and such into this ti winner. He gets away. Okay. He's easy. He's got double
Yeah, that guy's good at Dota. Well, yeah, cuz he was a TA win number four. He got on the team. That was
This which doctor is so weird me. I'm like waiting for it to make sense. You want it all to click
I think they're just they're like we're eliminated and I really want to play with I really want to play with doctor
They can still play for points. It gets okay. Maybe more DPC point EPC point
This is every Harold viewers like like they're just they've been waiting for this moment
Yes, the day that the Dota the Dota of professional players respect
The which start the Herald play is to consume the gree-gree for a century wards
No, not the start just randomly you already have like eight centuries in your inventory and you consume it for the ninth
How does gree-gree work is it like passive plus gold you get when you die right there like like it's like saving your gold
Yep, yeah in my case you forget about it when you get your neutral item and auto consumes it
I mean, where did my Grigory go?
Wait, it auto consumes?
If you run out of slots, yes.
Oh!
You can only go into your active inventory,
which is very unfortunate.
It's really good for players that only use two of their item slots.
Yeah.
Wait, so if you have six slots full
and you get a neutral item, it's just auto.
That's good to know.
Watch out for that one.
You get to go play Witch Doctor Cary.
That's really good.
Alright, so what are we looking for last? It looks like for the side of Falcons they are banning out Mars
So they're thinking this might be a Sonic peace master. So that's something to keep in mind. Oh, that's true
But Falcons themselves need a hero most likely well for either offline or for a Malrin
It seems like para vision assumes that this is a razor offline
They've banned a puck might also of course have something to do with the fact that they picked up storm
And they just don't want to do I think I think ember is probably the next ban given that
reasoning I'm doing I'm going for an underlord for party visioner here why they
need some aura's he's a good pipe crimson buyer against these this lineup and yeah
they just don't really have a guy that sets up fights like oh that's funny that
imagine having shadow demon you ban Necro that's literally good that's the
hardest counter in the game to it you have a save from Reaper site you have
a purge and you can bkb piercing purge like this guy level 30 necrophos that's
That's crazy.
That's just crazy.
I respect this.
It must be a psycho.
Can I let him play it?
I feel like they don't have very good heroes for killing Nekra outside of Esteele.
Yeah.
Unless they want to look...
I'm actually going to say it.
I don't think that was a very good ban.
I think they couldn't think of something else.
I genuinely think that's just not a good ban.
It depends on their last pick here.
If they pick some DK's man, some strength here, then sure.
If you're queuing a Dota game at 2am on a Thursday or Friday, what's the last
You want to play against shang, it's necrophos, man.
Huskar, he's out, thinker, he's out, uh, bird mother.
She's in, but she's not in the game.
They're a tournament.
Oh, they go, they go watermelon, man.
Oh, so let's carry witch doctor, let me see.
Yeah, that does make sense with the gree gree.
Make sure he moves it into his inventory.
It could still be a Skeeter Tide.
Oh, that's a Paravision, never mind.
It could still be a Satanic Tide.
Without it.
It's not. Corrupted is level 30 on Tide.
So we're finally seeing her run it back.
No, what did we do you know what hero cannot be dispelled by time as I'm very tired bring her
You said he's level 30. Yeah, that's what staking said. Yep level 30 doom
Go ahead and lock it in
Whatever his heroes are out level 30 doom. You can't eat the boring lane
Think about it
It's actually too good here. There's no way Dr. Heal. No way he did he passes this up sensor necrotide out
Viper is also okay. Yeah, I don't think he's a level 30 Viper. But he's still playing the Razor so we got to keep that in mind as well.
I would say get more disabled. I'm down for the Doom though. I think that's a pretty great idea.
He might get really messed up by like Malodic though, legitimately.
Oh, it was your first call, Brian. Of course you knew.
I called Underlord for Falcons. Yeah, that's great. I mean I was getting the other guys mixed up so it actually makes...
Do you think he's level 30 Underlord?
Hmm...
Probably not.
I like this pick because it allows him to like ditch the lane and go jungle.
Because one of the best things about Witch Doctor is your kill potential against tanky offlaners.
You do like a little malodict with some damage and you can have a really bad time as an offlaner.
So if you can just leave and do clean jungling...
Why does the Carlos have daylight?
It looks like it's like a glare.
It looks like a sunlight.
His light is just facing the camera.
see the little wand coming off. He probably reads books with that light nerd. Nerd!
And go play some Dota, stop reading your books, kid.
Exactly.
He's saying that DeCauls is picking his nose, that's what he was saying.
Heer say, of course.
I'm called for.
I'm called for.
Just an itch.
It's somebody, sometimes you're new.
We're gonna have to find out what rank the Underlord is.
Yeah.
When you find out what rank the Underlord is, we would love to know.
In the meantime, I would love to know who's going to win this game. Who is going to take it? My panel, please
chance of light on this situation
I'm going party vision. Why I just don't like the Underlord last pick
And I feel like I predicted it for party vision
Team Falcon needed the doom. We go Falcons. I like the Underlord
Why are these really no, we're just any real predictions from YouTube. Yeah, you actually analyze good
You're some actual fucking analysis dude, you're just picking a side.
He's just talking about picking the nose.
Okay, Jenkins, can you analyze this?
Oh, let me think.
You guys won't think this witch doctor will win?
I think he's going to own Sheaver.
I really feel like it's a bad hero.
Paravision just wants to play something fun.
I don't know why he won.
I don't know why I do Colossus, the guy that got to play the fun thing because he's the five.
Is there some particular synergy together with the Beastmaster?
Is this the Beastmaster we start to like?
You have the cask plus the borsh low shoes.
You got the...
Well, they're against the Tosk, right?
So like, if you do snowballing, you have to be a little careful about like...
Double Malodic?
Double Malodic, double Malodic, double Malodic.
Guess Underlord's Rank, I'm guessing 30.
I'll guess 16.
25.
30.
The correct answer is 25 to 29. Wow. That's still high. That's really a hero that you
like it really and do. Alright, well these two, you saw them on the screen. You'll see
them on the screen in a second again and you'll also hear them. It's time for game
number three with sons of venison.
If you're a fan of nose picking, you're gonna be a fan of this game number three, Paravision
vs. Falcons.
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Don't get it
What that's it the witch doc I don't get it. I'm ready to be blown away. I do not understand I
think
The panel might be onto something your college was like I
Want to play which doctor we're gonna play with Beastmaster. It's gonna be a great lane
And I have a this might just be one of those where he has a theory this year
is better than the scene gives the credit for and he wants to show it and it's in a relatively
for his perspective relatively low stakes environment so he can he can run it but he knows for a
fact the enemy team is going to be playing their hearts out so they're not going to hope back this
is effectively I don't know if you want to call it glorified scream because there's still the
points on the line for them as well but obviously this was not a position part of
we're hoping to find themselves in. Now I don't think, when I think witch doctor I
think maledict and I think cask. I don't think death ward at this level of play.
So it's like are those two spells good here or is Udur restoration maybe good
in some fashion? I don't really think so. So yeah that's why I'm confused.
Sometimes it's a great maledict game or let's say you were playing against
Beastmaster. You could see the cask against the summons or whatever but
but you're not against anything that you cast inherently.
Okay, sorry.
I'll stop talking.
They're back.
My bad.
Just one of your many monologues.
Yeah, sorry about that.
Deucales did go for the Cleft Death Bastet Cinder, which is the one that bounces for
his ult.
So it's all about the ultimate.
Death Ward attacks two targets at once with reduced damage.
Which is also good for his Shard, the Voodoo Switcheroo, which will almost certainly
be purchased if he doesn't get it from the Tormentor.
It feels like it's a core item for this hero in general.
Yeah, ever since they... I think they got rid of it, right? The Voodoo Restoration doing damage.
Yeah, Voodoo Restoration it was called, I think. That facet was so broken.
Oh my god, which kind of started with half a radiance.
So they literally deleted it, right?
I believe so, let me just tell the answer.
Should only have two facets now. What's the other one?
Enemies die while maledicted. Then they explode.
Yeah, that one I've never actually seen in-game before, not me neither.
Yeah, I'd better never see Woodstock in general.
Yeah, we'll see. I mean, the panel kind of brought it up, but Naladik against, taking here like, underlord.
Theoretically, you can see some value for the landing stage, but throughout the rest of the game, I'm not sure.
We'll see.
Yeah, would love to be surprised. I mean, we should be happy soon. We get to see a new hero.
Yeah, I mean, I'm definitely not unhappy. I'm just confused. That's fine.
It's not like you were pissed.
Yeah.
Hey, Woodstock!
Yeah, Maldic might be good against Underlord, but Underlord was picked after, so you can't
even use that as an argument for why they picked the hero.
Well, they knew he was going to pick a fat juicer.
Okay.
Fair.
Of course, this is going to be Corrupted's worst hero because he's not level 30.
Yeah.
I wish we could see the actual one.
Big damage on Satanic.
He might actually die here.
Yeah, Firestorm, Pit of Malice, procs again and Satanic gets first blooded by the
Corrupted team list by the way message him in the DMs for an invite
You've been owning
I've been impressed with him
Message him in the DM
What am I supposed to say how do people message each other these days?
Add me a snapchat guy
You can just say DM him
Message him in the DMs
And it sounded more sexual that way. That's probably why I went. Oh, that's me. That's how you do me corrupted
very sexy beast so far
since he's been
Playing for the abby Staberlight played once
Falcons it was a disaster to say the least and now corrupted has come in and has done a serviceable job center
Yeah, I wonder if Staberlight just didn't tell them that he hadn't played for a week and that he had been on vacation
A week? I thought it was longer than that.
He said that and they were like, it's fine, we trust you.
And then after two games, like, we don't trust you.
Yeah, so by a week I meant six months.
I don't know.
That was a rough one.
Used to him, especially as a stand-in,
Saberlight has been known to just be a complete beast.
I really don't want to read too much into that in general about his level of play.
He's rusty, that's also what Snakey said in the interview.
It's just like, okay, he had taken a break from playing for a bit.
you're going to need some time to warm up there.
Well, warming up against Team Liquid is probably not an easy way
to ease yourself back in.
Oh, that is for sure.
Going straight into hard mode.
Drop it.
We'll get maledictive here.
He's going to turn us around to do call us.
Don't look at the damage here.
My goodness.
This is a pretty strong lane because it has to hero in it.
I mean, if you can get the second route,
then it's pretty much just a kill on anybody at this stage.
This is a crazy lane, to be fair.
Because you do, like you said, you can get the double route because Jekiro has so much
slow between dual breath and liquid frost that, yeah, you're gonna, if you place the
pit well, it is gonna prompt twice.
A bit of a rough start in this lane for paravision then, Satanic.
Second time we've seen him on Beastmaster.
More money for the Grigory though.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, what do you think of that neutral?
are that not neutral, they fasted, sorry.
That's an N8, whatever.
Any more guesses?
Artifacts, there we go.
Okay.
It's an artifact, yeah.
I think it's an interesting concept.
I just think it's also very hard to balance.
Either this is very good or kind of whatever, I guess.
In its current form, I would say,
who knows, it might actually be very good as it works now
but Witch Doctor as a hero is just not.
So we don't really complain about it much.
Yeah.
SSS, off his crack and shell.
Homing missile dinks.
It's the anchor smash, but the rocket
brage is really the damage that they have in this lane.
Skeeter taking advantage of these blocks off the shard.
Anchor smash still didn't quite a bit.
Feels like the rocket brage didn't absolutely nothing.
I feel like Skeeter has not skilled correctly
for this lane in my eyes.
There might have been a good reason
to get the homing missile point,
but I would much rather see him with 201.
Yeah.
Now you need barrage levels if you want to box out Tide because nothing else you do is
going to do any damage to him.
You're also losing out on a lot of the value of drinking buddies if you can't play aggressively.
Oh.
Malry, meantime, playing the Razor in the mid lane.
Yeah, let's do great from the 41st.
41st is 16.
Wow, Jinx.
Jinx.
Uh, what do you say after Jinx when both people say Jinx?
You know, you didn't follow them a coke.
Oh, the first person to say you owe me a coke wins when it's a Jinx off?
That's right.
Okay, well you were very slow.
Well, I did say it before you.
Malaraine.
Malaraine dictated.
Malaraine dictated.
But he has regen run, so he's not taking damage.
So, no one...
Pretty close to the CS department, but a lot of those are probably the neutrals.
I would assume. 16 denies though, quite a bit so.
Malarine maybe wants to contest? No, never mind. I thought he was interested given his
current health after that region. Instead he's going to run to the right.
Another Maledict reserve just for him goes into the Roche pit where Roche no longer resides.
No one finishes the job with the Colossus health.
So, Skeeter in the meantime, did get the second and third level of Rocket Barrage,
the Snake King will join the party. This is a fight for the Wisdom Shrine,
Lotus is going to heal up Skeeter, and now Ducalus and Assert Sesson in a lot of trouble.
One more Rocket Barrage for the road, Snake King takes the Shrine.
He had 210 stacks on Afterburn.
He's a fast boy.
In like three or four full barrages in a row.
I think that's a cool facet. I really like that one, conceptually.
Yeah, even after the nerf, I think it's actually still too good personally, but...
You think everything's too good?
I think a lot of things are too good.
It's just my opinion, as a boomer, you just gotta catch up two times.
I mean, I am adapting. I'm not like...
It's all I'm not trying.
I just have my preferences, as do you.
That was not the best burger I've ever had.
Nope, that's correct.
Indeed, it was not the best burger.
You were exceptionally disappointed, as a matter of fact.
Your taste buds played the work.
Very disappointing, St. Panic gets off the roar,
but he's already taken such a beating.
He will fall.
No one coming in to see if he can snag some of it.
You can see everybody's a full HP from Falcons.
Yeah, but here comes Witch Doctor.
Oh, boy.
All right, he's off.
He's off.
He's off to the jungle to call us 250 on the green.
When's the best time to use that anyway?
Just like your first main item.
Probably is there a point in holding on to it for a long time?
Here one tower pressure.
I don't know, I find it really hard to gauge how to use these things.
With Warlock it's a lot more obvious, you use it for your first ball and you make a high
impact play on the game, but on which doctor, when is this meaningful?
Is it like you said to unlock the first item?
Is it to save as long as you can while you feel like the game is in a good state
and use it out of desperation when you need it?
I think for first item sounds good to me.
might also become a matter of inventory slots. If you need all your slots, what are you going
to do? Can't put it in the backpack. But now that you can put smokes there, that obviously
helps the gree-greed quite a bit. That you can use smoke from backpack. You don't even
need to get that efficiency.
Totally, but surely getting every quality of life in Dota.
Do you think before next year that we'll have a dedicated warp slot?
I was literally gonna bring that up just now.
Uh, no, I actually don't think so.
I don't think they're everything.
It's a bold prediction.
You never know.
I mean, would you like it as a support?
I don't give a shit, obviously, so if I don't buy words.
I'm not the team player of this, we know.
Flash in the field, we'll bring him down as no one.
I'm looking for this 10-minute room, but it will be Arcane for Mal-Reen.
This is one of the big assets of Witch Doctor.
breaker because he loses less gold when he dies because of Gregory yeah that is
technically true very good calculated death from Ducales yep
digging for gold in other ways mm-hmm okay can't help yourself or one out for
the boys
so another relatively quiet early game in the sense that it's mainly been
And Falcon's trying anything.
I have yet to see Parvizion really connect a move with their heroes.
They're kind of just chilling and farming, once again playing quite individualistic.
Only player with a kill to their name is the Witch Doctor, ironically.
Gonna stack some more for both the Tide and the Beastmaster.
Yeah, Crit is level 7 on Jekiro, so he's gonna go to town on this mid tower.
back about this teammate storm thinking about it but no one is already at two
thirds health so initiation is comes with a bit more of a risk and keeping the
siege alive because crit can slow the tower so much pretty amazing and the
deny no crit will take it out himself 2k early lead for falcons see if no one
will play a little bit more with this. That last game was, it seemed like an anomaly but
it could just be because they're eliminated already. Maybe just playing a little bit more
selfishly. The team not being as cohesive as they can be. This potential steal coming
in but as the tests get the ravage, the drinking buddies is going to save the Razor
for now but that's right. It's a Satanic who gets off the roar and gets the kill
as a result. Skeeter though, once focusing on no one who is going to survive the Black
cannon, just barely as the axes come through for Satanic trying to take out Peter and he gets them just barely
So Satanic and no one living on very little HP
Corrupted gets SSS to super low HP as well
But they get the better of that trade for ParaVision a 4 for 2 and man could not have gone much better for ParaVision overall
God I love that to come, it's just all chat so much damage
it's like look how broken my hero is pick him little tip from a team that's
already been eliminated look at that yeah so I think because it's level five
here not sure what he got level six from was some creeps dying next to him I'm
giving an eye on when he unlocked six yeah it was the first hero killer now
he gets the deathboard doesn't damage this day this was very close as you
We pointed out both, so you can't get no one on 5% each.
That was one hit away.
And then corrupted and crit.
Give over another one.
Nicely played from the far edge inside.
Follow this feeling, satiate it.
Crit.
Looks to be dead.
You are the worst.
This is unreal.
Absolutely unreal.
God it's funny if you don't react I
Can't go over it. Yeah, I can't stop thinking about it's that and Riyadh
I just can't get out of my mind and they're never clipped I understand those people
time for wisdom
14 minutes approaching look at over a chair, and I believe I don't it's been
Almost a year since rehab. I think about it every day.
That's... that's living rent-free in your head now.
Okay, this could be a big dive.
Yeah, snaking on it. That's gonna be an easy one.
Eventually.
Tanking the gank for Falcons.
But the tier one looks to be going paravisions away.
Those looks like it.
Three bounties. What the hell's going on here?
Wisdom split.
Yeah, this happens sometimes.
It's not that uncommon even at Pearl Play because they just felt busy other places on the map
And this is not part of a natural farming rotation except for the carry so
There's the pit of malice to slow down state panic
It's not gonna be enough to prevent crit from dying though
But my Malarine comes in with a shielded attempted TP the homing miss a little way too slow
The wasted rotation from Malarine in the end it was just a support kill, but I don't see paravigion getting away with their beast
High value.
That's why Tannag is starting to get quite big in this.
I mean, the net worths overall for Parvish actually look very healthy now.
And there are heroes, all three of them, tanky or elusive in their own right.
So for Falcons, do you have the single target damage?
It's very much the spread damage line of Underlord, Razor is the most single target you have, but he only has two points in Static Link
and Gyro notoriously a very heavy spread damage carry, but the single target largely comes from X, Crypt, and early on from, of course, the afterburner, Rockaparash
but it's not easy for Skitter in this game to just run into the enemy team, like there's so much counter play, Demonic Courage ruins you
He's going to get jumped again.
Yes, he is.
Snowball again to delay this as long as he can, but there's still much to do.
Four levels in melodic, this looks like a lot of damage.
Yes, Peter does make his way over.
No one actually used a lot of mana for this, should be able to dodge the homie missile
easily.
Power he can just run at all.
You call us by his side feeling very safe.
The greegery aura.
That's a strong one.
Is he eating it yet?
Still hasn't.
I wasn't talking about the greegery.
I knew he was.
Was this a setup?
I don't know why.
Why would I say anything?
God damn.
What would I say anything?
God damn!
I have the mind of a...
You're studying yourself up for a punchline.
Usually you need somebody else to do it.
You just have great synergy, you know?
Yeah, you're really good with yourself.
Thank you.
Excellent.
A paravision.
Happens to pass it over you.
That's really low.
2k lead for paravision, though.
They are progressing nicely on all three of their cores.
Main difference here is the Beastmaster starting to distance himself.
Satanic just getting more out of the map.
Is this the plan?
Into the rush pit.
And Steve Paravigian are nowhere close.
And it's pretty early rush.
Might not expect it.
This could be pretty unexpected indeed, but it is also very slow.
No tag team, of course.
He's playing drinking buddies, so they can't use that.
This is taking forever.
Are there still people unaware or they're just willing to give it away?
This is kind of costly to take Roach like this. You need something out of the ages.
Maybe if it leads to you getting the Tormentor, that's great.
But you can effectively spend like a full minute of five heroes' time to get this.
So you want value out of this ages.
Skitter going for the Manta.
We're seeing this more and more on Gyro, and we're seeing it in games where I don't really get it.
get it? Like, what's the major upside in this game you think? To having Manta versus going
quick-ags-crit at BKB? This is just his standard, right? Not necessarily. I feel like every time
I watch Skeeter, he does this. I feel like Manta is not particularly useful here. In
some cases it's detrimental against Witchmarked, you're giving him cast targets. So you have
to be careful with how you use it into that hero. What can you remove? Gush? Axis Fax,
I guess? War techs flow. Just so insignificant stuff you can get rid of. He must like it
for the overall move speed, the tankiness, and of course the ability to play farm a
bit more. Yeah, I mean it feels good, but I agree. Axis, I don't know. I think if
you're just looking for raw GPM, this has to be a lower GPM item than Axe, right?
You must be farming faster with that.
I don't think so.
I mean, you'll get the Manta before though, right?
What's the total cost?
It's higher.
Is it actually higher?
It's Ulti Orb?
Expensive is Manta in total.
I know it's higher.
I just don't remember the exact number.
Manta costs 4.65, so 450 more expensive than the egg.
It's kinda close-ish, and the build-up is better because Yasha is nice, so...
Well, they have three and a half minutes to get something out of this Aegis to see if
it's worth it.
This is something for sure, the Tier 2.
The Paravisions, they're making their way over slowly, but, as you say, Tannock finishes
the tower on his own.
But Tier 2 is not too shabby for Falcons.
This does require most of their time as skaters going to the high ground.
He's going to be greeted by the majority of Paravision.
They don't find it as Mal-Reen? Yeah, he was all alone. He gets roared and killed off.
This is a huge play. This gives them Tormentor. It's really nice to fold. Not only do they find the fight in general, but they immediately redirect from Gyro the moment they see Razor.
They pivot the fight over to Mal-Reen and take him out immediately. Very, very swift and decisive maneuver.
Power of Smoke.
Now that will indeed be the Torn.
So who's getting this? The Witch Doctor Shard is quite good.
Therefore they get it on 9-class, which is, I would say better for the game.
The Monic Cleanse is amazing against Pit of Malice.
Against...
All of Jakiro's Dots.
It's quite good. I think just those...
Really just those two things.
Punch in the air, ice path, macro, pyre, snowball, but it's not enough stun lock.
No one gets away, although they continue to chase.
How many missile does hit?
Century is poor paravision, though, and it gets enough in the end.
And even a fiend's gate popped.
I don't think they're catching up here.
Get the pit, punch again, and am I wrong?
Oh, he gets healed up quite a bit.
Got to turn around on the Skeeter.
I guess, but, oh, no one clocked me, I'm just making, look at the snow ball, look at it,
look at the snow ball, in the wisdom shrine, yeah, he has to use the snow ball eventually,
honestly, we'll pay the price.
Flawless from no one, that was super good.
It jumps in when the circle is at its absolute limit, so if Tusk goes into Snowball, he immediately breaks out of it and no one gets it, then it jumps away, turns around, drops a remnant onto Snaking so he can't blink.
Excellent stuff.
Damn. Who knew?
Which factor was the solution all along?
For par vision.
Yeah, an MVP for him.
Yeah, 9-plus stole the other one.
Look at that circle.
We're talking 10th of a second here is what's made me need it.
And then here he's gonna snowball to survive, that means no one gets it right before Gyro comes in,
pulls across and drops the Static Runman. Beautiful.
Very smart.
Beautiful, beautiful play.
The Aegis is gonna be expiring in the next 50 seconds or so.
So they lost 3,000 gold with this Aegis play they took.
Yeah.
Because they lost the Tormentor, that's the primary reason.
this is a very costly game if Falcons lose it yeah this is one of those must
win games for them not I think they technically have a chance of a tiebreaker
if they lose no but it that I think it depends on the leather gear but if they
win this it's in their own control I'm gonna have a look here I remember all
the permutations for it is no for paravision Skeeter 15 seconds on the
Aegis they'd love to waste this out the zip and they find the jacquero and see
Skeeter a little bit wary to get involved in a fight right now. Crit, Death Ward is
enough to take him out now they use the roar onto Skeeter. The Aegis expires just
amazing timing from Paravision and Falcons are dropping like flies. Now the
The neutral creep kills the naking now, so...
I'm so lucky for me.
Little...
Silver lining there for Falcons, but it's not much.
7k lead for Paravision.
Butterfly.
Soon to be for Satanic.
An SSS on the tide.
Has the blink.
And Pipe with...
Is there nothing else coming? I feel like he's had this for a bit.
Guess not.
And after the storm, the BKB is about 600 away. He already has the Kaius Thange.
The Paravision in an extremely good spot here.
Yeah, I mean, this is starting to reach critical mass. It's just way too far ahead on Beastmaster.
This is not a good matchup for Gyro, because as we established, he doesn't deal very heavy single target damage,
and that's what you mostly want against Beastmaster. You want him, when he goes in to roar someone,
you want to have the threat of turning around on him and killing him.
With this big of a lead with Satanic getting Butterfly, you can just walk in, roar, gyron, kill him, and I don't think they can stop him.
Even if they static Link him, I think he's still too strong.
And just stay in the fight, use your own stuff, you have Blink, Ravage, you have Axe on Tide coming out.
It's going to be a really tough game for Falcons to recover.
And such an important game to win. If they lose this, they're 2 and 4.
And in order to advance, you obviously need to be top four currently in the groups are Aurora 3 & 3, Xtrema 4 & 2, and Tundra 5 & 1.
So, if you lose here, you're dependent on Aurora losing tomorrow.
So, and you need to win as well. And your final opponent is Xtreme who have leveled up.
This is not going to be easy for Falcons to recover from.
It is not. Corrupted.
Corrupted with... God move your monitor son for God's sake.
There we go, corrupted.
Has the Agatom Scepter now, so fiendscape, global presence.
Mal-Rain, he's had the crimson for a while, BKB is about to be finished as well.
And Skeeter, still ignoring Agatom Scepter.
I mean, I guess if you go Manti, you don't want to go both.
Has the Chrystalist and still far away from Daedalus, so they're not really that close to any gigantic power spikes either.
there's nothing clear there's no clear timing to look forward to and that's
always difficult in these pro level games Malrin has been awfully quiet on
the first pig razor he's finally gonna get his bkb now he has bkb and crimson
guard this total net worth easily six what can you friend there is to the
Being used, no one already pops the BKB though, and a bit for a bit, focus a bit on the Tusk, now we'll zip away.
Completely out of mana though.
He has the regen, he'll be fine.
Alright, and out of the Ror, the counter Ror from Satanic, a pit right on top of him.
Pops the BKB, Malarine, not taking that much damage because he has the Golden Item as well.
He's not doing that much though, and Ravage comes in out of nowhere.
That's too dead for Falcons.
is now they try to limp away, but they might not get back to base unless it's in a casket.
They're gonna find their fourth kill in corrupted
Gyro getting chased as well by no one, although that one's gonna be a little bit harder, although Dukala's coming in, gets the Maladik,
still has the Death Warden, that's a full team life, ParaVision lose nothing.
Falcons don't have enough damage. That's the TLDR here.
It's like both sides just wait out each other's BKBs and then Paravich is the one with the
damage.
Yeah, and they're the ones with the ravage, so that wasn't even that great of an initiation
from Titanic, but the way it finishes off ends up being great.
It starts off the fight, it extends it long enough that the BKBs expire, they buy the
time for Triple S to come in with the ravage, and then they have plenty of damage.
I have to say, Senator, I was skeptical, but this witch doctor was a great pick.
I feel like I could have been almost in here.
If I'm honest.
You get it, Senator.
Okay.
Thank you.
Just chat.
No, I actually wasn't that...
That was probably the last one I have, honestly.
Yeah, for now.
You're gonna send me a text in two hours.
Hey, I got another one.
Probably.
Oh, man.
That's why I love casting Paravish, actually, one of my favorite teams.
In 9 Class today, it has only played normal heroes, syndrome.
Yep.
Usually...
I mean, what would you say his ratio of weird heroes to normal was?
Because in their prime, let's say it, it was... every game was a weird hero.
Yeah, he was playing completely other stuff.
He was playing Terrablade, Monkey King.
God, I remember that Terrablade game at the...
It was so funny.
Techies...
What else was he playing?
Slark obviously...
Yeah.
He had...
I mean at Raleigh he almost only played Techie...
Er, excuse me, Slark and Monkey King.
Oh yeah, remember, he got them like every game until teams finally caught on toward the final part of the tournament.
When they started banning both.
Yeah.
In his career in this team...
What's his ratio? I don't know, it's probably still something like...
50-50.
Today it's been a hundred zeros, yeah, that's true.
Yep, we're almost there guys. Thanks for that.
Closing in on the 80 minute mark here.
Make sure you guys have, stay hydrated. This would be ultra late game
in turbo, of course. Well then you almost never see
tier 5s either, they're in 30 minutes, right? Yeah.
Do you see them? Russia spawns, but nobody knows.
Time to check it, Pari.
Yeah, we're just in there.
Have a look.
Maybe he's back.
Now a refresher for Satanic.
Okay, they're just not checked.
Alright, well, that's unlucky, they might have just been able to kill it right away.
But they're gonna look for a smoke wraparound instead, which is also just fine.
Yeah, well, Satanic has a doctorate now in the bottle.
Panel was asking a very important question, what would you call which doctor who gets the
damage rune, aka the doctor?
It's just a double doctor.
Well, based on the hero's general impact on games, probably doctor do little.
Alright, they eventually come back to rush.
Yep.
That's 30 seconds.
That's more than enough.
Very quick kill.
Very quick kill.
I mean jokes aside, the heroes actually look quite decent this game, but...
In a patch that's so heavily dominated by lane 5s, which Dr. Paul's killed in a lot of situations,
but they got out of the lane just fine.
Thank you for Satanic. There's the fiend's gate into the Icepath Mackerel Pire Punch UP!
Another root. Now he's gonna get the BKB off till they force that out, but...
I mean, look how much they used.
They just don't have enough damage. Once again, like, they need five heroes to kill no one in their pit.
It feels like at least for bare minimum
They're spending three old unlining. What's that expended three alts. Oh, this is interesting
Nice little graph. Yeah, I like this
Oh boy supports careful careful now that is a clutch you're careful now. What if they all die?
I almost a triple kill there for the tormentor, snaking gets rewarded with his shard.
Crit tanked as much as he could, he yielded on 15 HP I think, and snaking snowballed on
less than 100 as well.
They needed every little bit they had.
Yeah, that'll give them the ice shard upgrade.
Hey, it's damage!
They need damage!
Very happy, as you can tell. Snaking as well.
Oh, he's a little... Yeah, he's a little happy.
Alright, so Tana can lead the way.
Ducalus not far behind.
I think Ducalus has a real nose for this witch doctor hero.
As they attempt to go high ground, Roche banner placed.
I just know for a fact, Jenkins does catch really hard.
The two are two peas in a pod.
Okay, Tannick's getting drained, but the four staff will snap it.
Trying to go for the Rose Spanner is Malrin.
This pit is super annoying, but they're going to be able to get off the primal roar.
The snowball though, to save them temporarily, but the Malodict is applied to two heroes.
They're going to focus down the tusk first.
Now that that's worth doing good amount of work.
Another roar reserved for Malrin.
Down he goes as well.
Two dead for Falcons.
No buybacks to be seen.
Wait, Titanic does have to be a bit careful. It doesn't have to second life actually.
There's no one jumping in the back line going for a crit to start things out.
It's gonna be an easy pick off.
Ducalus knows a lot about that one.
Tempting the nightfall away is the Underlord.
What the-
We'll get out.
What's SSS Ravage?
He must have Ravaged completely off screen.
Yeah, I didn't see it.
He must have just- I guess his blinker cancels like Black Cat or something?
And the tipping him he's like, hey guys I don't have ravage, but having a smile on
the lap though must feel relieving to be looking down the potential first win of
group stage 2 for a team that was slated to maybe make a tough four finish
in the tournament based on group stage 1. Yeah we're looking so good and then
it all just came crashing down at the worst possible moment.
No one finds an incredible arcane rune.
Still tier 2s in the mid and bot, so we're going to have to go through those first before
their eventual attempt to finish this game.
Now Falcons, obviously like you talked about this game meaning a lot more to them.
What are their avenues to come back in this game?
What are they?
I think I need Raker and Gyro.
Already?
Yeah, honestly.
I don't think the Satanic cuts it.
I'm sure you're gonna have more staying power, but I just don't see you killing the enemy team.
Between you and Razor, Malrin is working on a Sanjinyasha.
Just not exactly an inspiring item to see at 35 minutes.
I mean, it feels like Divine is so good on Gyro for two reasons.
Obviously the Flak Cannon, but also because Ags, right?
True, but she doesn't have that.
Like, the Mantis is not gonna be benefiting much at all from that.
I don't really think that I'd have helped them much this week.
Anchor on to Mal'Reen
Takes a lot of damage from very far away. They're gonna stop this feels like a Hail Mary play actually
Yeah, it looks like half HP on Mal'Reen you opt to fight
Okay, and a punch up in the air nine class. He gets caught off guard looks like you'll be taken out first 50 seconds on the deck
Mal'Reen static link on the SSS. It's gonna be a full one
So Mal'Reen 11 ton of damage, but can he use that damage?
No, Primal Roar on his face and another wasted Ravage.
He ever just entered the room and just channeled her energy.
Right back on for the toss.
No one, his BKB is about to end focus right now onto the Underlord.
They're actually going to burn up Duke Hollis and they're going to get no one as well.
So sticking around a little bit too long his paravis and a little bit too cocky.
Yeah, this kind of reminds me of what I think happened in that clip as well.
Way back when it's more than 10 years ago. Can you believe how far we've come and we get that clip all of these all of these upgrades to
Heroes and Dota and you can still hit zero man ravages just marvelous stuff
So this looks really promising already getting these kills and then this ravage
Yeah, it's a swing and a miss that's two in a row for triple s hitting nothing
The other one we didn't even see on camera because it was even further away
Yep. Well the first one, they didn't need apparently because they won that fight. This one however,
at that moment if you had burned it for nothing.
It happens. Now he has refresher. Yeah, he can mistune out. Yep. Does he have the mana for this?
It's pretty close, right? Whistle ring 1200. What's his neutral? Does he have stats for that?
He has armor and damage on that. Okay. So 1200 mana, two ravages is 650. You need a
1050s do two ravages so yes enough
You kind of went up gosh as well, but you have soul ring so yeah, you should be okay as long as he has full when he shows up
The pipe is also expensive
Lest we forget
And keep half an eye on that myself, but he's also leveling up and getting some more steps
No, we'll help corrupt it getting backs that has no idea. What's coming his way
And yeah, he has roared do call us gonna pick and flick with the cask and they get the kill onto under lord
God damn it. I can't...
Say stop it!
You're doing great. Keep it up.
Help me!
Keep it up, Shannon.
You know, I do have Tourette's, right?
I can't help myself here.
Yeah, this is a very good thing to blame right now.
I have a disability.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry you...
That's the only one I'm diagnosed with.
I'm sorry you have to deal with that.
I probably have more...
more in me.
Let's not do this to go on the plane, Tannock.
Going for a completely wasted PKB here.
A bit of a misclick, but that's okay.
Let's see if they can get more out of this on the side of parry vision.
Probably not, they're just gonna...
Maybe wait for Roche, or at least they need to take care of Bonn, but...
Tannock is already there to take care of business.
He's hit level 25, by the way, so probably we'll all cool down down to 35.
This is an insane talent, by the way.
Which one?
The 25 on P.S.F. is so crazy.
Ooh.
Primal roar with a 35-second cooldown is wild to me.
Yep.
But that's the thing.
Witch doctor X.
Okay, they know St. Tannicus bottom.
I can't use it properly, no one.
The snowball comes out, the nice ice path is connecting on the nine cusp,
but he is able to get off the disruption before he burns up.
SSS gets force staffed away.
Now Falcons trying to get away with that one pick.
No one coming in.
Zipping in rather, Static with Roar number one onto Mal'Reen. The rabbit hits this time!
They get the proper kill onto the Razor as Crit and Company are likely about to
fight the dust here. One more Pit of Malice for the road for Corrupted Eskider trying to
fight his way out of this. Just doesn't have the damage. And this is going to be a full team wipe.
Four ParaVision with only one buyback remaining and that is on the Gyro.
They go for thrown, it's over. They just need to test them here.
And they will.
No one is already starting on it. They can heal up nicely with this witch doctor little 4 voodoo restoration.
So this is kind of like playing with...
Largo 0.1.
This was the beta test for Largo.
There's the buyback, it's not enough to scare Paravision away, and why would it be?
It's gonna fake it out with an illusion.
It's that Manta Valley we waited for.
Yeah, it allows them to make more illusions.
That's good.
You outnumber his mantas now.
Two alive for Falcons.
Razor up in five seconds.
Ancient's going to be exposed by that point.
They might back off here now.
Probably realizing they don't have enough time, but they couldn't have gone for Mega
since the bottom tier two was up.
Yeah, so they get the two sets.
They'll settle and they know Roche is coming soon and that is the killing goal.
I mean, this is a monumental lead.
Roche it's over. So Falcons without a doubt know this. By the way Skater went for the eggs.
That's his fourth item. Okay, on Jyro. Better late than never. It was a little bit backwards
this order. Now we're almost there guys. Yep, he has to get right here now and he is
into queuing up the... I mean does he have time to get 2k plus gold right now?
That's not even enough. I guess you sell Falcon Blade. Well you could, I mean you could
Disassembly of Daedalus, but then without the crit, there's still...
Oh, I thought he... okay, yeah.
I only saw the Sacred Relic, I assumed he had the Demon Edge.
If you have Rape your Crystal Wisp,
the Crystal Wisp is popped!
Bad news for Falcons potentially!
I still want to wait for at least one Ravage, I would imagine.
Ten seconds on that for SSS, they will smoke now.
Didn't see much of a Witch Doctor guesswork last time,
it was cancelled by Snowball, but...
Ducalus has to level three ready to go.
I'm going to be the defender for now, obviously has that fiends gate to join any time.
Time is on their side, they need to wait for waves to push into a better position and then
they can choose what they want to do.
The smoke did not connect to where they hoped.
That's okay.
No stress, just keep pushing waves.
Wait for the right opportunity. Roche's bottom is gone for a trek.
Okay, there it is! So what did he take apart the...
Yeah, he did the Daedalus into Rapier. So now he's Crystalis.
Okay. Crystalis Rapier and now he wants to rebuy the Daedalus.
This is the one chance they have.
Is setting him up perfectly, giving him drinking buddies and hoping for some really good
Crit connections and, of course, for Malorim to find some impact in what has been one of
his quietest games of the entire tournament, 1-7 and 5 on the Razor.
You first picked this hero, and you're known for this hero.
That does not look great here.
Yeah, picked the wrong game to have an off-off night.
Yeah.
Smoke from Paravision.
Crit, he is spotted.
Although they're trying to go for Malorim to start things out, electric vortex SS
for potential Ravage storming it. Going for the supports first. Crit is dead. Roar onto the Gyrocopter.
That is Divine Rapier on the deck, and that should do it. Wow. As ParaVision, two one Falcons,
putting them in a tough spot here in the second group stage at Dream League.
That was not a lot of damage. You got out of that at Rapier. Whether they win or lose,
you would have still like to at least see the fight with it, but he gets jumped and
then he gets killed off immediately and that's just the end of it, the Philippines unfortunately.
There he is, there's the man of the hour.
Wondering what could have been here, they still have a final chance tomorrow as their last match will be against Extreme Gaming
and that is a must win and then Aurora is a must lose as well and they have yet to play against Betoom
who if they win will tie with Falcons at a potential 3-4 sport.
Yeah, we could have it a crazy day tomorrow.
There are definitely some permutations that lead to big ties,
but a lot is riding on those final games coming up in 12 hours.
Yeah, something like that.
Well, Paravision, they take the 2-1 victory
off the back of Ducalus' which doctor she's hurt?
They really do.
It took them six days in group stage two,
but they do finally manage to get a W on the board.
Congratulations to them, of course,
still E.P.T. on the line for them. All those points, they're nice, they're juicy, and they
want to get them, and they are... well, they're doing quite good in this game, I think.
Yeah, this was amazing from them. Like, the whole series was excellent. There are some
games where Satanic plays so goddamn well that you can see why people are calling
him like the the Donk of Dota you know like it's just insane the amount of
farm that you even look at this picture like he's 6k net worth ahead the next
guy like that's unbelievable and there's these solo pick offs that he gets it's
like one versus three and then like DKB TP or TP right in front of them where
they don't have any stuns left things like that just crazy high skill play
while he's also farming every single jungle camp on the map it's quite
crazy to watch. There's something funny about the fact that they picked nine
class from normal heroes and they won today. I have to imagine like what if
they started that a few days ago. That's not funny. Sorry, Jaggen, sorry. I really
wish he could play his funny stuff. Yeah, there's only space for like two funny
heroes and Beastmaster carried. I keep expecting it to not go well but it
just I'm like okay it's gonna it's gonna fall off a little bit and he
just goes and roars these cores and he blows them off. It's like a
weaker version of Ursa kind of. It's like more survivable, way safer, better lock down,
better laning. Your battle fury gift stats, basically. That's a good point too.
It's a big difference to everything. His build is really cool. Disperser,
Agi Blink, Butterfly. Like he just maxed Agi. Yeah. Because he does more damage the more
hits he does. So like attack speed is actually kind of good. And of course,
Weetstructor gets a win on the board as well. Speaking of a board, we have one to show you.
it is the group stage standings. Tundra now also guaranteed in the top four. Keep in mind there's
still I think the chance that extreme overtakes them that they're so tight because they're just
guaranteed to four. We are also playing tiebreaker three second and third. So yes tomorrow could
be just as long of a day as today. So they have already has been quite long and let's see
because this result was a little bit unprecedented and I think I think everyone a lot of people's
predictions guys not Jenkins Jenkins one is probably just fine was it the only
point you got out of today Jenkins or were there more up let's see I mean
there's quite a few actually going for a television on this one like a dream as
well and period what a treat what a succulent delight I went for I got I
got owned in the last two series look at SVG with the extreme party vision
Yeah, we could take a look at how that looks on the day because these are the day results are coming up and nobody had all four predictions correct
But still six people five people math now five people having three predictions correct
And I think this is one of the first times that I'm seeing Jenkins not at the bottom of a board
That's pretty impressive congratulations. Yeah, it's been a good day for me
Right and double that tomorrow. Yeah tomorrow is it gonna be a little tricky you guys follow along tomorrow
we have got four series. However, as you just heard our commentators, as you just heard us type,
there's chance for tiebreakers. And because of that, we have to have to squeeze everything in
a little bit. So we're going to have two streams coming your way tomorrow, baby. Get your
monitors ready for that. This is the main stream right here. We got Tundra Team Liquid Extreme
Falcons. That's what you can watch here. That's what you should watch. And the other
monitor the you know if you get the other monitor that's okay Aurora, bedroom,
pair, vision, mouse also very important games but not as important as the
mainstream games but there's there's still a lot of implications for
different tiebreakers so there's even a chance there'll be two streams for the
whole day depending on what kind of tiebreakers we run into it will be
a crazy day today already was a crazy day is the only day so far where
every single series went to three games and I know that at the start of this
group stage we were like oh but every game is a 2-0 how boring is no longer
boring it's getting pretty close pretty tight it's all three gamers from here
and out that's not a promise that's a hope for tomorrow but that is it for
today we're gonna call it quits here we're gonna be here bright and early
tomorrow again 11 a.m. for the pre-show 11 30 for the first series so
Thank you so much for tuning in tonight and we'll see you bright and early tomorrow again.
I'm playing around with my blitz and yes, then come on
It's cuz the way I'm feeling
Got that energy, symptom-sealing
All my people screaming
But that's just how the thing goes
I'm on the scene where they're staying open
And I'm like, I'm fine, I'm team up
Here with you and it, go, go, go!
A bad bloody time.
And you better take that holiday on a holiday
Backs back you can now relax cause your mind's on the flight and it won't fly back
Just ask for your favorite snacks when the cloudy sky is totally blue
No cares when you're in me and I'm picking down on the ground for you and nearly there
Being trapped and freedom and paradise is time for you
Everybody needs some time on a date
And some time to date
Think you better take that holiday
Holiday, holiday
Everybody needs some time on a date
And some time to date
Think you better take that holiday
Holiday, holiday
I
I need you to get your stress for a week or three
Trust me when you're in the scene, that's my last take, I will run
Everything needs some time away
And some time to play
Think you better take that holiday
Holiday
Everything needs some time away
And some time to play
Think you better take that holiday
Holiday
I want to get the ball
into my room
into my room
into my room
into my room
into my room
into my room
into my room
Just give me the key
I just wanna move my thing now
Just give me the beat
That's all I need
Just move your feet and let it breathe
Cause all you see is all you need
Don't be cheap, don't go for free
Turn off the heat like an oven baby
Give me that oven, ain't you wanna use control
Go in the beast, stop pumping
In the party, get jumping
Everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your mind
And you lose your crew
They know that you're doing it right
And if you ain't in the mood
I'll tell you what to do, got some nature in my life
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
I just want to move my finger down
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
I just want to move my finger down
Just give me the beat, I don't want to step in your toes when I see you moving
I don't want to let this go unless that's what you're choosing
Everything that I've done is the truth and it's already proven
I just wanna make you laugh, wanna do it for you, get a new smith
Turn up the heat like a oven, baby, give me that love
Make me wanna lose control
Can win the beat, stop pumping in the party, get jumping, everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your mind and you lose your crew, then you know what you're doing alright
And if you ain't in the mood, I tell you what to do, got some nature in my life
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
Just give me the beat
Just give me the beat
Just give me the beat
Come on stop
I took a train ride to a delactic paradise, I found a moon rock
Bouncing around my eyes, felt the earth shim
It was a gift of bad medusion, read my ticket
For the best adventure
I'm on my way, and I'm taking you with me
I'm on my way, and feel so free
Bring you through the stars and we'll speak to the future
I'm on my way to the best adventure
Last night, this is the best
The best adventure
Give it to me, give it to me
Then when you take a turn, turn it slow, turn it back and then unwind
Discover what you need, this quick instruction will get you back on your feet
I'm on my way, never taking you in, baby I'm on my way, I'm telling you, can't believe
I'm going through the stars and speaking to the future I'm on my way, to the best adventure
I'm on my way, I can't get you to take you in I'm on my way, I can't get you to take you in
Straight through the stars and speed to the future
I'm going up into the best adventure
Best adventure
Best
The best adventure
I'm on my way, head on, taking the real thing
I'm on my way, here and so get free
Let's take those stars and speak to the future
I'm on my way to the best adventure
Let's go!
Best adventure!
I
I'm told it feels too heavy on the ground
Take it by the lonely day
I can tell so many ways
I know for sure that you're the one that I dream of
I've waited all my life
I've been wishing to be come true
But it was a dream that never was you
Till now it's you, baby
I hope someday the day
I hope someday the day
I just never was
But it was a dream that never was you
Till now it's you
Guess my lucky star brought you to me cause there you are
And like a shining light your love has let me see
A world of happiness but even more than this
I realize a miracle of work for me
I wait for my life
When I'm awake in my mind
The dream that was a dream
It's for me, baby
It's for me, baby
It's for me, baby
It's for me, baby
I'm just a little girl who never, never lose
Ready, baby?
Tell her what's in your heart
I'm not gonna let you go
I'm not gonna let you go
I'm not gonna let you go
I'm just gonna let you
Ready, baby?
Tell her what's in your heart
Let's go, let's go, let's go
Right where I wanna be
Let's go, let's go
Shades on, I'm deep in my zone
Spread love, you'll be making it numb
I'm really feeling up, we gon' get it
Let's go, let's go
Shades on, I'm deep in my zone
Spread love, you'll be making it numb
I'm really feelin' up, we go get up
Cause it's all good times, yeah now, forever
In the booth or in the club, wherever I go
I turn the music up
Whatever the day, I make waves, fake dreams, fake moves, fake love
Step to the left, yeah, move for the flow
Good times, slowly, I'll be lettin' this show
Hands to the sky, yeah, feel it so free
Love in the air, yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cool breeze, I feel real nice
Start shining, you'll be late up the night
Good vibes, and I'm running like dice
And I'm cool like ice, ice
Baby, when you look at, look at me
It's a magic, what you see
Tell me it's your love or this fantasy
Am I dreaming?
Step to the left, yeah, move for the flow
To the time score, you'll be letting this show
Hands to the sky, yeah, feel it so free
Love in the air, yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
There's a right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
There's a right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Yes, yes, yes
Right where I wanna be
Yo, let's get it
Let's go, let's go
Let's go, let's go
There's a break where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
You're gonna hurt your lips, I'm scared of you Get ready for it, yeah get it
You've never seen a one with this skin
I got slack today, so watch and learn
I'm here to show the confidence
Everybody rise your class tonight
I'm all I'm to be here
All you ladies now just recognize
What we do, we're winning, we're winning
That's how we do
We're sipping it, we're sipping it
We got stuff, we're swaggering
What we do, we do
We got stuff, we're working in the club
We got a finish, we're working in the club
I'm in the club with models in the shop
I stop if you want to win this place
That's not from the world
I stop if you want to
Smile up, gonna do it if you want to be sad
Smile up, gonna do it if you want to be lost in it
Oh, that's how we do
Oh, that's how we do
Oh, oh, hey, hey, oh, oh, oh, hey, hey, oh
Get it, get it, get it, just got it now
Get ready, get ready Get ready, get ready
Get ready, get ready Get ready, get ready
The land won't bother Tesla, we'll be good either way
This time is sure what's new, no trouble on your best lines
It's gonna hurt you next stop staring Get ready for it, get ready
You've never seen a bomb we've used, get ready
On the second day, so watchin' that
And then you shot a cop down
Everybody raise your glass at nine
I'm haulin' to be here
All you ladies now, let's recognize
Oh, oh, oh
That's how we do
Oh, oh, oh
That's how we do
Oh, oh, oh
Hey, hey, oh
Oh, oh, oh
Hey, hey, oh
That's how we do
That's how we do, we're winning, we're winning
That's how we do, we're slipping, we're slipping
We got that style, we're sliding like the doorbell
We got that style, we're working with love
I'm not too sure about that style
We got the latest news, we're stopping
We got that style, don't you try to steal them
That's how we do
That's how we do
Every time we go to a building
We're falling, we're silent
Every time we go to a building
We're falling, we're through it
Yeah, yeah