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have to accumulate points across a series of 24 different games, so series contenders
are going to want to field a lot of teams. It's like the great Canadian hockey player
Wayne Gretzky once said, I don't even like Poutine. I know it's supposed to be our country's
thing, but this isn't the right, can you pull up the right one? Yeah, thank you. You miss
100% of the shots that you don't take. So there you have it. So you might be asking yourself,
Well, why don't these clubs just field as many teams as possible?
Well, the answer's a little complicated, but the technical term is that it's f***ing expensive.
Hey, anyone got a euro? I'm trying to buy an eSports team. I just need a couple million.
Anyways, here's a copyright-free version of WonderFall.
I said, well, maybe I'm gonna buy an eSports team, maybe.
And after that, I'm gonna buy a laundry mat, is that a...
But does it actually work?
Let's say that the results are mixed.
For example, in 2024, Twisted Minds qualified 12 teams for EWC, but 7 of them didn't even
register a single point.
And not one of those teams found a tournament win, which if my math is correct, that leads
us to...uh-huh, and the same number of wins my grandma had that year.
Now in 2025, Virtus.Pro registered 18 teams, and because I'm such a huge supporter of eSports,
I pledged that for every win they got, I would rescue a cat from an animal shelter.
No meow meows were saved that year.
I would have been better off pledging to Verstop and SimRacing.
I mean, look at these guys, specialized sniper clubs.
One shot, one kill.
That's gotta be better, right?
Well, sort of.
In 2025, Twisted Minds doubled down on EWC,
bringing 14 teams, but eight of them
didn't register a single point.
However, they were able to move up into the standings
to fourth place.
With millions of people from around the world
tuning into this year's eSports World Cup, the pressure of winning is at an all-time
high. But the threat of losing? Even higher. So who's going to be taking home the World
Cup this year? Do any of us even still have jobs after this? Have the Casey fans already
found my hotel? Find out the answer to all these questions and more at the eSports World
Cup.
Hello, how are you doing, my friends?
It is time for a podcast, so welcome, everybody.
You guys taught me those fantastic words and we are here for a South America flavor podcast.
Welcome, my friends.
Our only objective is to try to not talk about Dota 2 as long as possible.
How are we all doing today?
I'm doing great.
I love doing podcasts with you guys.
Yeah, it's a first-time experience, but it felt like I've done this one million times.
Okay, okay.
I'm okay. It's very little. I haven't had coffee.
But yeah, I never done a podcast or a TV what it looked like.
Okay, good.
Where you can live?
What?
How much minutes we can live?
How much minutes can we leave? We're not leaving until you have a good time.
So be prepared to be here for the rest of the f***ing day, okay?
Focus up.
How are you? I'm feeling pretty good. I'm excited for the first podcast as well.
First podcast is fantastic. Let's start on the topic that's very normal to podcasts.
All right. Paranormal activity. Okay. Do you believe in ghosts, guys? Let's start off. Who
believes in the parent? Do you believe in anything paranormal? We're going to start here.
Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, aliens, anything. Do you believe in anything? In Brazil, we had a thing
that's like a place there had aliens at 1985 and you know the year and the day to what happened
yeah and basically they had a lot of people in the city that saw the alien from Varginha
and that's just like a mythological thing there and people visit the city and the city like
automatically for aliens and other stuff. In Brazil we have a lot of cases like that,
but I don't I don't care if it's how true is that.
Where do you feel about that? Do you believe?
Yeah, and it's all about the American government that they're hiding.
Okay, well, that's not aliens. That's just conspiracy and same person stuff.
No, that's aliens.
Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. All right.
Come on up.
The paranormal is a ghost and alien.
Anything. Do you believe in anything out of this mortal realm?
I don't but sometimes I like to like it's fun. I feel like it's good like I feel like life without some sort of this
It's kind of boring. No, yeah, I like those bad documentaries, you know the ones that are like in 1985
Yeah, there was an incident like those are fun, right? Right, right, right and then for goals
I have to go through all of the different paranormal things, but I don't know
I mean with a link I feel like you have to believe to an extent right but with goals it's like I
Feel like goals is not the same
You know like aliens are kind of cool they're fun
But the goals are like kind of boring. It's like you just move you see that it's like so silly
No, but the aliens are actually like I think aliens. I like to believe in but I
Scientific guy, you know, you know, like there's a chance out there
Yeah, and the US government back here, you know, what is it always the US government?
Why will you always default to that?
Sure.
Okay, Jay.
Have you ever had a paranormal experience?
Do you ever see a ghost, dude?
I don't see them, but I can hear for sure.
What?
What does that mean?
I'm just kidding.
The only ghost I think I've experienced is like when you're alone at home and you turn
off your light and you need to run to your bedroom.
Oh, yeah.
After you go to the kitchen, so devil doesn't kill you.
that haven't had any many experiences.
No. What was the most scared you've ever been?
It doesn't have to be paranormal.
Scared I've ever been.
Yeah, you ever thought you were going to die?
What happened?
You see, I thought I was going to die, but maybe falling off a tree.
You fell off a tree.
Many times.
Many times. Tell us the tale.
What are you doing? Climate scampering up trees.
Just at break in school, there's a tree you're young.
And you think, oh, I'm going to climb up the tree.
home. Metaphorical. Was there anything up the tree you were trying to grasp?
Not really. We just went to put it up there.
Not really. He was doing it.
What about reptilians?
Reptilian, lizard men.
Yes. You look like one of them, right?
They normally don't have hair in their heads.
The mask does fit a lot easier if you don't have the hair.
It's always the hair that looks weird. Have you seen those videos where like they're
looking at people's necklines and they're like, why does it look like that, you know?
those old people, do you think that would actually change anything?
Like if TI happens, Gabe Newell walks out, and then while he's walking,
he trips and he stands up and his, his mask falls off of you.
And then he puts it back on.
Do you think the world actually changes if they prove lizard men are real?
I don't think, I don't think they will do a change.
Like people, people like to find reasons to make war, right?
Or discriminate.
So, like, some type of first, so I think the word would change.
Okay.
All right.
This is a big question.
I'll put this for you tomorrow.
Sure.
If there's one pro player in the Dota 2 scene, if I told you one of them is a lizard game,
I'm talking about Dota?
No, no, I'm just saying.
It's not about the game.
It's not about esports.
Oh, there's something.
There's about people that we know.
There's something.
We're allowed to.
We're allowed to talk a little bit about that.
There's one person, one pro player, and I told you there is a lizard man among us.
Who is it?
I see.
I think Nisha for sure.
Yeah, like have you seen this guy's focus?
Like have you seen Nisha when he's like in the game?
Like how he looks?
He does not look very human to me.
Like no offense, of course, but like Nisha, this guy, like I was looking at a picture
of him, like some tournament and the way he looked, I'm like this guy's, you know what
me like he's got not human prowl powers like I've never seen someone so focused
and I don't know suddenly he got like all buff from the gym like I was like how
did when did he get so buff you know yeah maybe Nisha he's just too good no
like I feel like he's among us you know it's like he's cheating yeah we're gonna
I'm not against them tomorrow.
Good luck, good luck.
Go for humanity, you know.
Tell him what the deal is.
Tell him what the deal is.
He's left-handed, isn't he?
I was watching a game in the camera.
Oh, yeah.
How many left-handed players, you know?
He's the only one in the door, I think.
It's really his niche.
These guys don't play a bot, right?
He's like mysterious.
Rest time right like suddenly like Blitz take him to the gym one more. He's like huge now
Right, he doesn't say a word. He sits down. He's third or his thing with his left hand
You know like whatever mouse and he just goes 10-0 puck every tournament. I mean, yeah, you know, I feel it
I agree. He's definitely in my top three. Your gentlemen agree. Look nobody I play against him and
I
I can say, Nisha is not a lizard.
Okay, done with the mystery, so...
That's scary, that's terrifying.
Do you feel like you would be able to fight a lizard man in real life and win?
Like, let's say Nisha is walking down the hallway, you see him, he trips, his tail pops out, then he puts it back in and makes eye contact with you.
Are you going to be able to win that fight?
Well, I have to fight, I can just say, I will keep your secret, that's fine.
That's okay, he's just going to be, show what that is.
Imagine if you see that and then you go to people, he's a lizard!
He is a f***ing lizard!
Your career is over, no?
You're putting the camera here!
You're gonna look like a crazy man, I wasn't gonna believe you!
Yeah, true.
There's been a lot crazier guys in Dota that have survived.
Yes, he's a lizard.
And running around saying he's a lizard.
Her career is over, Tumada.
You see what he did?
Yes, I do.
I'm gonna do it.
He's a lizard.
Yeah.
I'm supposed to hear that now, but someone has to do it.
But for a carry, it's fine, right?
He thinks people are lizard, but he's a good carry, you know?
But for support, this guy has a support, he's supposed to use his brain and he thinks people are lizard.
He's responsible.
I think that gets you more jobs on teams, personally.
That's flavor.
He's a lizard.
Okay.
He's a lizard.
Fantastic.
He thinks he can come in here and play my game.
He knows nothing, but go!
Tyler, why? You're done.
Do you notice like the generational gap? Because you have like some of the youngest to like all the spires, right?
Um, I mean sort of like because we have like, so we call them the youngs and the olds.
So it's like...
Wait, who's like in the middle then?
Skipper's in the middle because he's like an old but he acts like a young.
Okay. So like Maureen and Amar the Youngs and it's like me, Kret and Sney were the
Odes and Skitters like he should be an Odes but he hasn't developed properly.
Right.
But yeah, there's a little bit of that. I'm not sure. It's just like, I don't even think
it's a bad thing. It's just stressful sometimes.
Yeah, that's all.
like you can relate or like connect as easily with the old or the young like or like it doesn't
matter you probably have must have learned to do both but i think i mean we've been a team for
quite a while i mean not as long as liquid but like um so i think our flow is like pretty good
at this point but there's definitely some times where like crit will say something and we'll just
just like, oh yeah, it's been like this for 10 years and the Mars like, huh?
I don't think so.
Like, cause honestly Dota like, it's weird, but like the heroes that countered heroes
in like 2012, they still counter them.
Like it's always the same.
Like, I can't remember who said it, but like sometimes, like if they don't know
what counters on the meta, they're like, oh, it's, um, FNG said like, oh, I'll
look back in 2015 and this is what was good for Shadowfiend.
I'm like, okay.
I was like, okay, well, guess it's a good look too.
And same thing.
Not for sure.
There is a lot of that.
And I was mentioning the relationship to playing.
Like, obviously, now some of you guys have been pro before,
and or played Dota in general.
And probably all of you guys have less time to play Dota.
I could only assume.
So when you watch, I mean, I guess two questions was like,
when you watch your players, like first of all,
do you learn more about your own selves
when you were playing or who you are as a player?
And how much of your playing identity goes into it.
You know what I mean?
Like, are you thinking about it?
Or is it two different things?
Like, you're just being the coach right now
and it has nothing to do with how you view their play style
or whatever their habits.
How does that come into play?
You've been a player for a while.
I've been your coach actually.
Yeah. I just remember that.
Yeah.
Did you forget to?
So basically, right?
I do see myself in this team sometimes, like, what would I do, and stuff.
And, you know, all teams, same as farming.
And I'm famous for being, like, really aggressive.
So sometimes I feel like we're a little too passive.
So I try to, you know, try to implement, like, hey, guys, you know,
time to fuck them up, guys.
That's the way to get it, guys, in the farming.
So you feel like, yeah, and that comes from your own relationship to the game.
Exactly.
I'm feeling like something's up, guys.
They're getting too much and, you know, something's funky.
You feel the itch.
Yeah, I feel like you were strained at times.
Or just letting it happen?
I say it, but I say it in a more human way instead of saying like that.
Like these guys are animals, I'm like,
guys, I think they're farming a little too much.
I'm like that.
Okay.
That's a nice way to say it.
Too many animals on the map.
Yeah, I'm like, oh, look at all this ****.
Yeah, too much.
Yeah, I was saying, go try the contest route.
What kind of animal is it?
I don't remember you saying it this way, like that.
I was like, I think they're farming a little too much.
Yeah, just on the dumb side.
I saw Neta recently with minus octarin on a baton.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Every game, every game, minus Blink, Octary.
You guys have both had Netta.
I guess Octary, yeah, all three of us have had Netta.
We've had the Netta experience.
I work well with this team.
We know where he's going next, I guess.
You definitely will.
Welcome, Netta.
You're welcome.
Thank you, DM.
Thank you, DM.
That's why I shouldn't break the news.
But what about you guys?
Like, how much of the player is in the coach?
What do you guys think?
For me, the problems I get too excited,
like by watching nine-class gameplay.
So I always get like a low priority
because I'm like, I'm gonna play Slark 4, I'm ready.
And then I just get flamed.
Oh, now I learned TB.
I just go and try to sender people and then I fail.
And reports.
Yes, there's a problem.
But I'd say like, especially me and nine-class
in the sense we do really well together
because I like the unconventional ideas,
like the crazier it sounds,
the more likely I'm trying to make it work.
So sometimes I'm like,
I wanna try our quadrant four to see if it works
And if it works, I'm going to tell him in this sense.
So yeah, I'm getting to the crazy ideas.
It's cool, but low priority is not the cool.
He should play them for you by the sound of it, but.
I don't think I necessarily play less pubs as a coach.
I think it just depends on what your role is as coach.
Because I think for my team, I'm more in charge
of our Dota identity than probably most teams.
But it just depends on the meta.
And a lot of times, it's adjusted based on player feedback.
like, you know, steal something from Paravision.
And they're like, oh, let's adjust it to play more like this.
So like, we'll see how like, you know, liquid, like for me, like, how
they team fire or something, like, we'll look at that and we'll just
always want to do that.
And I don't know for like, for me, like you guys were talking about, like
pubs aren't real Dota, but our team is like sort of opposite.
Like we think what's happens in pubs is the most important.
And like how we play the game is like that is real Dota to us.
So it's like, you can even see, like, even how we approach as coaches,
be a bit different. It's not like either side is necessarily wrong. It's just our mentality is
different. Yeah, which also makes for different teams and different approaches. Yeah, I think
that's just how it goes. Because again, no coach doesn't really know what other coaches or teams
how they operate, right? The only thing that we definitely know is how meta operates, three of us.
And then like, coming to him, and soon, soon to me, he's going to be on the next level.
That's all we've got.
It feels like sharing, dude.
Yeah, we can talk to all of you, just to tell you beforehand, but that's it.
You know what's really funny?
I remember after TI, I asked you about Netto.
You gave me info, and then you asked me about Netto, so I passed you info.
Good.
Hey, I need some info.
You're very smart about the game.
Very smart.
Yeah, that's all I got.
I couldn't say more than that, but they know.
Uh, me bass?
After me?
Radiance?
Radiance? Radiance is high.
There was no Radiance this time, but by this, Octurine...
Ancient stacks.
Refresher.
Ancient stacks.
Wordclon must be like ancient stacks.
If you get to like say how many things like Nether says, it's got to be like near the top.
It is good.
I'm going to get a Swayve stack, you just count.
For me, I mean, I only play Mid.
Like, I've never played any other roles in Dota.
And so like, I know Mid heroes still.
Like, I still play the game sometimes.
I play like, Party.
Actually, I just started grinding with Zai, he's back on the party unranked, so you might
catch us if you guys want to unrank.
And I always play Mobile Heroes, so the Pox, the Storms, that type, and so, like Pertis
said, the matchups are pretty cyclical, the stuff that annoyed me back then is still annoying
now, and so that part is pretty easy for me to understand, and so it's pretty easy for
me to talk to Nisha about mid-heroes and things that you see.
Sometimes he's a little bit stubborn because he's way better than me, and I just have to
kind of like work at it but that's like the only thing identity wise because I
was a very passive player as a pro whereas like my team is you know they're
especially I think boxy embodies our team a lot you know he just boxes he's
in there to fight so in that way it's a bit different but in the mid-hero pool I
think it's by far the most influence. Any other question? Yeah. For you as well. What was like your favorite moment as a coach? Like what's the moment that you think about the most that you're like this was peak?
Good question. I mean the obvious ones would be the wins I guess or like the you know the
moments that yeah because I also realized that some of the memories that you get are also
built from the content that's out there if they're not entirely your own that makes sense so maybe
these are the most vivid ones but the ones I'm the most proud of are probably the bouncing back
moments, whether or when the team was really in trouble or they were like really hardship
and they were like, because I think, yeah, would know that there's distance with things
I can look back and say, well, that was really, maybe that was the wind actually, that's when
the wind was decided, or, you know, these kind of moments. So I remember some rough boot camps
or really rough sequences. At the moment, we didn't realize what was going on. And but
Later on, we were like, okay, well, this is probably,
if it happened at any time, then it was that day
or that night or whatever, so yeah.
That'll probably be it.
What about you guys?
Like, obviously it's an ongoing journey for you guys,
but was there a moment?
Actually, I can remember like the distinct moment
is when like you said, the rough times,
like when you overcome the rough times,
boot camp, people are beefing.
You solve that beef and we come back
I'm like a huge like group stage into like winning the event that's like probably like when you help
you know sell the beef get the mouse I make them shake their hands talk about it then you see the food of your labor
I think that's like one of the best times I'm coaching.
No that really resonated with me like the when you overcome the tough times something good
I remember there's a time doing a TI 11 like we worked really hard for this tournament we came in
and we felt like there's a lot of pressure on us the stuff we're trying to avoid we've actually lost the group stage game to you guys
you guys, TSM, and our team was just like, like, we're like so mad.
And Sax had just stood up and he just made a speech that like sort of encapsulated
everything we had worked on in boot camp.
Like guys, like why is there pressure on us?
Like this is what we know, what we worked on the works right done.
We just have to like calm down, do everything.
There's like everything we had talked about as a team together, like with myself as
coach, and that actually made me really happy because after that, the team was able
to like get into right mentality and it was like a good tournament for us from
But just seeing the work that we put in come together like that, and having someone else do the actual job for me,
where they were able to make the speech and rally everyone, that was really nice.
What about you, C? Is there a moment that you remember a lot?
It's like TI in Seattle, we did Pop 8, but now we beat TSM somehow.
We were the best in 18, when during the season we were like the third in 18.
So we struggled to qualify, feel like the last major we managed to qualify and then like being top in 18
This was really like good experience,
gratifying and then when we entered the arena like everyone was chanting for us. We were like team USA in the USA
It was an amazing moment. I was telling Blitz. It said it lasts like 40 minutes
It's like we lost twice to gladiators in 20 minutes something like 30 to 40 minutes
That's how it lasts, but still it was one of the best days even with the boss.
Because I feel like it's about what everyone talked about, like all the struggles you had.
Because like we changed player after the last major, like our carry became our position 5.
We got actor in the team, it was like a full year struggling to build a team, and then like this top 8 meant a lot.
Like the first LAN we attended we won, which was the Bangkok one.
It was amazing, yes. But it's like, oh, we just started, we win. You know, we didn't go through
like hard times together. Then it didn't feel like, let's say, as good as a top eight where we struggle
a full year. All right, pass the Versailles on to Montmartre and here. It's supposed to be right here.
Did they feed me the wrong information?
There's no way I'm letting them keep me out.
Tonight's the night of the eSports World Cup opening ceremony and I still haven't gotten
my invitation yet.
about not wanting a repeat of previous events?
But I'm not gonna let something as silly as an approved guest list shot me from hitting
that red carpet.
I'm finding a way in.
I'm gonna crush some carpet.
This is yours, you speak to me, this is yours, please.
If I don't speak to at least three people,
I get deported.
I was told that in order to come to the red carpet
or the orange carpet, you gotta be wearing red or orange.
What is this?
I'm not on the red carpet.
Hand down, hand down, hand down.
What color is this carpet?
I can't let you borrow this, because I have a black shirt
underneath.
I think we'll break in trouble if that happens.
I am the red carpet.
I am the red carpet.
Does France even have good karaoke?
We do, actually.
Are you a good singer?
Oh, Champs-Elysees, bah-dah-dah-dah-dah.
Did you just get in, or have you been here for a bit?
I just flew in today, and then it
straight to the Gala dinner and then I came here. The Gala dinner what did you eat? I don't know I don't
remember. It was very French but it was nice. KC fans are freaking crazy and rabid. How did you
train them to be like that? They try to be like me when I'm casting a game. I've seen them go after
some LCS casters too. Yeah we hate you guys man. I love your hair. Thank you so much I appreciate it.
Can we get a full spin, a full fit check?
Ooh!
That's the vegan buffalo.
Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, back up.
Why?
What is, how do you even get a vegan buffalo?
What is vegan buffalo?
Okay, I'm a vegetarian.
I'm really into the cause for animals.
Of course.
And when I saw that they've done a buffalo, vegan,
I was like, I'm gonna have ten of this.
I'm hearing a rumor that you two are basically on standby in case any of the players on any of these teams get tired, is that true?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, chunks for FIFA and me for any team shooter.
Oh yeah, I think we're getting good now.
You're getting called on to see each right now, quick. What game?
Ballerina.
Ballerina?
Yeah, I'm playing FIFA.
No, no, I'm playing Ballerina.
Oh, oh, we're switching roles.
That's how good we are.
Have you been to Paris before?
Yeah, I've been here for Champs, so it's my second time.
And I also understand French, and I have French family, so it's nice to be here.
Jim Lacroissant.
French, and I'm in Boku.
OK, you've been practicing here.
You're practicing, or you've been watching a lot of Emily in Paris?
I've been practicing and watching.
Sounds like the show is just getting started, so let's get...
Let me in.
He is in our DNA.
Whenever we let it out, it becomes
you
you
you
you
you
tournament and survival stage is gonna be brutal. We got a lot to talk about. We got
some eliminations upcoming. We got some fans coming to tomorrow because you don't survive
with just one series. You're gonna survive too. I also got two people sitting next to me. They
survived the first week. Just fine. I'm here with Sevillikov. Sev, how are you doing?
I'm great. I did more than surviving. I enjoyed it. I don't feel like I was a threat or anything.
doing great. Super excited for this week. I think usually this is when it starts
getting very interesting, you know, like when tournament life is on the line, this
is my job. I'm doing good as well, Sheaver, you know. I've got the chance to
explore Paris yesterday. I don't know, like teams had a day off as well, I'm
pretty sure that they focus on different things, but really enjoyed it my first
time in Paris and Dota has been amazing and now it's gonna come down to survival
stage. What was the highlight? I got to ask, the highlight of exploring. I got to say Eiffel Tower,
it was closed all around because of the celebration day that was preparing for today
and it looked like from the distance, it looked very tiny. Then we got very close, we took the
boat ride for an hour and it looked amazing, it looked much better. Different color than I
would have expected it to be and what I've seen on the pictures. Oh, very special of course with
fireworks yesterday as well. A lot's going on from France. They have the World Cup today.
But there's a World Cup that's a play here as well. And that was this play last week as well
last Sunday. You might have not been able to catch any of the games. I don't know. I don't know
what you were doing maybe, but if you didn't catch them, that's okay. You got your covered.
We had two series on this stream that could both in their own right be considered grand final set
starting with P-Vision versus Team Spirit.
Yeah, that was an absolute banger.
I think both these teams actually showcase also how close they are in terms of play,
because it was a very, very close series.
We had Team Spirit really put a stop to P-Vision's domination
and remind everybody that they're not impressed.
You know, they are Team Spirit at the end of the day,
and nothing is out of reach for them.
And you know, P-Vision were able to strike back.
It's going to be interesting, because these are two of the favorites here.
I would say, Spirit's obviously the title defender, so everybody's looking at them,
and P-Vision is coming in hot. They have shown a level of play that's
very, very scary for whoever is going to try to stop them.
Yeah, P-Vision winning that series, sorry, the second game. They only need to win one game,
so they tied. And P-Vision winning that one game was enough for them to claim top spots
in the group, whereas Team Spirit will see them in action tomorrow in the survival stage.
And then the series we have after that, we had 1W vs Yandex.
Lacoste, this was another series that could be a Grand Finals.
It definitely could. I mean, they shared the same amount of points.
There were 7-1 prior to this series and it looked like kind of like both teams can potentially take it.
The first game, it was a bit of a stompy one.
Yandex, they got a better draft overall and better execution.
And the second game, I really liked the sequence of what happened in that one,
especially draft-wise because they managed to take the PL for themselves and then steal the
Earthshaker on top of that knowing that it could potentially beat a counter. It did go on for an
hour but very, very close series. Yeah, super close series and one step closer of course for the
teams that won there to be taking the championship coming Sunday because top eight is only the start
for those teams and for some of the teams that you saw are not even top eight yet.
Now we did over the weekend as well, had some other action going on. We had two different titles
finishing. We have two new champions added to the mix. Starting off with Valorant,
they had their finals and 100 Thieves was able to beat NRG and that was quite the happening.
100 Thieves now with a thousand club championship points on the leaderboard for the club championship.
So that is a very cool and keep in mind you have to win at least one in order to be eligible to be first place to begin with
And there you see apex it is unlimited. They won the match point and they take the crown
What happened over on the other stage and another extra thousand points for the leaderboards is because they're in shape
I mean, it's just a couple titles finish so far
But you know, it's getting there and that is that is cool to see so yeah
Where are you?
It's very early stage, in a sense.
It's kind of like your first day of group or something.
I think if you're 9th, you've got 100 teams.
Up in there, it feels good.
You look at the scoreboard and you're like, yeah, number one.
There's something very positive about it, but it's going to be a marathon.
So nothing, everything is very, very much up in the air.
Nobody should get out of themselves.
Yeah, I think that's like, on average, three games, different titles per week that finish Lacoste.
So, I mean, we were like, what, week one just finished?
It's a good way to start for these orgs, like orgs that have multiple teams and they're like, they are competing in multiple titles,
but also starting with the W, like getting that potential championship as well.
It's very interesting and it makes it easier.
I think it relieves some pressure from like the other squads that they are competing in with their own orgs because you already have that guaranteed title
Yeah, and we can also take a look at our bracket and see what's coming in the survival stage because a couple of these teams
No, if you're if you're here if you're in the survival stage, you don't get any points that you need to be top eight for that
And there's quite a few names on this list that definitely wants some points most notably ever to my den actually team liquid
they have come second
years in a row and
They really want to get some points out of their Dota squad. Let me tell you that they could really use those
But this is our survival bracket. We are gonna see today four teams eliminated across four
Yeah, from now on it's just gonna be single a limb. It's gonna be painful
I think teams had a little bit of extra time to prepare for this and looking get the matchups and looking what's gonna happen to them
It's potentially in round two
It's it's looking scary because you have to go through BB team one dub team certain Aurora all of these four teams
But they got second in the group, but these teams are also top contenders to take the whole thing
I think if you're liquid or extreme you're like no, thank you
Like backwards oh and back up or something like how can we work this?
Bracket different leak is I don't want to move forward
It's going to be tough on it's gonna be so scary for for all teams single elimination as all is like
Yeah, there is no second chances and a lot of these teams in the past have relied on those second chances
This is coming your way today. So you saw that there's on the round one
There's four series we split them up over two different streams
So you're watching stream a there's also stream be going on make sure you check that out
But right here you're in the right place for LGD versus mouse and starting today with a liquid verse extreme gaming and well I I
Chose this time around. What did you show a fever? I think it's pretty obvious which series I chose
for the Sony story of the day. Come on, you can't choose me.
I hope it's the second one. I hope it's the liquid ex-
Of course it is!
I'm gonna say it with you. I agree. I agree.
We're on the same page here. Great minds think alike.
We would have made the exact same choice,
which is why we're here sitting together.
Yeah, what happened to democracy, Sheeva?
Like, we were choosing and you were not happy with our choices?
No, no, no. This is fine because I thought we were aligned.
So I'm like, okay.
You're in France, you're in Paris.
We don't like being, you know, overall.
Like, the people don't enjoy when there's somebody making all the calls.
Let's start it over. Hey, guys, there's two series.
Which would you like to see as the Sony story of the day?
I'd go with... Let's go with Liquid Extreme, Shiver.
And how about you, just to make sure that we get every opinion?
It sounds great to me, Liquid Extreme.
Okay, great.
There we go. Turn it on.
Turn it on the proper way.
I'm glad we had that turned out.
We're also going to take a look at what's happening in the Dota so far,
because of course we're at the halfway point
and we have a couple of things that seemingly have been figured out a little bit
it in terms of heroes, picks and lines, and we can take a look at some of the most picked
heroes and see how that is updated, because for example, Shadowfeet that was in this list
just a couple days ago is gone. I think the cool one to see there is the Bane, I don't
think, said that that was on a Bane, we're going to go Binko Karch, to be one of the
most picked heroes. Yeah, I think, I mean, everything makes sense. I think to me, the
one that makes the least sense is maybe the Winner and Jerkers. I mean, I guess we have
we're near here too but that's definitely the feeling we've had watching the games where it
didn't feel like the hero had a lot of success. Earth Spirit, very dominant hero. Who do you think?
I think 58% win rate for being the most pick is a lot. I've been in these tournaments,
like these numbers. I'm quite familiar with the numbers now. This is a big, big win rate.
I don't know why people stop picking. We haven't really seen it too much on the games that we
because like it has been picked a lot,
but nothing really changed
over some like smaller nerfs for the hero,
but other than that, the hero looks extremely good.
And I think like we also have to check the most ban heroes
because these are gonna stick out the most.
Like I think the one that has a big question mark for me
is this block that has been banned a lot,
that win rate is atrocious.
It's very bad, it's very bad and it's been banned a lot.
So, yeah, maybe like lingering like a read from another patch or, you know,
another way to play the game, like from a few weeks old, that's maybe outdated.
So perhaps this is like an adjustment teams are going to make, uh,
where they don't feel like they need to ban the puck.
And again, like sometimes that's the thing with Dota is like cycles in the
sense that maybe puck is as good as it used to be, but now certain heroes are,
you know, getting higher priority, Earth Spit, for instance, natural puck
Connor, good lane, uh, built in silence.
So perhaps, you know, the cycle has now moved and Pogtas is in the car of N anymore.
Yeah, I think maybe that's something the team should definitely consider.
And people only let it through when they've already encountered it as well.
So that's another, I think the factor in there.
But let's focus our attention on the first series of the day though, because we have a lot at stake.
Team Liquid and Extreme Gaming, part of the reason why this is the story of the day is because
for both of these teams, one of them is going to exit. No doubt that's the format.
But for both of these teams exiting here is not just oh, that's unfortunate. It's actually
So subpar
Compared to what they were expecting coming into this event Lacoste because they would be eliminated bottom 16
Yeah, this is not what you want to be like it comes down to the format and also like maybe slightly underperforming
Especially for liquid X-RAM gaming
There's still a lot on the line for them
TI being in China in Shanghai this year
It's a lot of pressure on this team to perform them being the best Chinese team as well like which again if they're still doing okay
But you know that from the Chinese like from the fans perspective
It does feel like extreme gaming
They are the big dogs
They are the ones that need to be able to punch back against these
European squads that did secured like eight out of eight are
Coming up from Europe. So yeah, they we need that little bit of extra diversity. We really do
I think for both teams, it's very important to take this victory as mentioned, focusing on Team Liquid first.
This is a squad that has generally struggled a little bit in group stages and have shown that they're a bit on the up
towards the end of the group stages, and it's of course very good coming into the series.
But let's find out what Nisha had to say about it.
I think for the groups, we performed like okay. I think obviously we aimed for first place
and we were kind of disappointed at some talks, but in the end I think the
better teams deserved the first spot and we're gonna try to like show what we've
got in the playoff.
He's all in, he's all in, he's going back in, he's gonna get both these kills.
I think we're gonna try to keep playing what we can practice and just try to
deliver. I think we're facing Xtreme into spirit, which should be like a nice
I think we played some scrims, it was kind of close and it sounded like super scary but also like very good team so confidence boost if we did them.
And I think we will play Yandex, which is like a favorite kind of, or like up there in like top four I guess.
So yeah, you know, you got to do what you got to do.
Survival stage is kind of scary, but I think it's kind of good as well if we get through it.
One loss, the end you're out, it's kind of like in there.
At the same time, I was kind of happy we didn't get to the first place because I think we still need to improve a bit throughout the tournament, so we've got to get it done.
Nisha is already talking about facing Yandex, that's a couple steps ahead there as they
are going up against Xtreme first and Xtreme is not a team to slouch on Xtreme is a very
strong team and they have also powering up throughout this group stage and throughout
the year as well as we're going to check out their road to EWC.
Extreme gaming has been a powerhouse of Chinese Dota for many years, and they remain that
way to this day, with their current roster of Aame, nothing to say, XXS, FY, and Xnoba,
which was built in the last few months of 2025.
While Extreme gaming is an incredibly strong team, it would be considered by most to be
the strongest team in China by a fairly large margin, they do struggle against the top teams
on a global scale.
They've snuck them out! Extreme gaming! Even with the extra lives, they have nothing on Yandex!
They have a large amount of top 5 finishes, but you'd have to go back multiple years to see big tournament wins for the team.
Their road to the eSports World Cup 2026 was more spread out than almost any other qualifying team.
With no tournament wins to speak of, the majority of their points instead came from getting top 4 in Dream League Season 27,
Drake League Season 28, and even ESL One Birmingham 2026. Will extreme gaming finally manage to break
free from their pattern of getting barely within reach but not quite making it to the end?
Tune in and find out here, the Esports World Cup 2026.
There's so much to unpack with this Vesta 3 series coming our way and I actually want to start with
with something that Nisha touched upon, said he's happy that he's in the survival stage.
And this could also be the case for Extreme Gaming, because he feels like he wants to play
more. He feels like they're still figuring it out. How do you feel about that view on
a tournament progression for team?
I think it's always scary to sit out and have the other teams play two best of threes and
gather a lot of experience. It's like best of threes. You're just more involved when
you're like part of the competition, like you're watching the game from a
closely out of it and you just sit out and you have to watch and eventually you
meet them especially in a single-elim format where you could just get caught
off guard by it because like watching and playing is just different like you
get much more conclusions so I understand where he's coming from I
think it makes sense that you want to get as much like playtime as possible and
anyway you're gonna have to beat every single team here if you want to take it
home so in that sense having to face them you know now we're having to play
extra games should not be a worry but I have to say that usually pregame
interviews you don't get much from them or I mean I don't know like this
This one really changed my mind on Liquid, because he seemed so confident, even though he didn't want to sound confident, but he's like...
I don't know, he's just like, you know, Spirit just went out of the window too, he's talking about Yandex, and I'm like...
There's Spirit on the way, there's like Xtreme, and he's saying you got Yandex, they're top 4, but I don't know what to do.
Maybe he's confident because he knows it's just gonna be a smooth sailing, I don't know what to do.
And I think his gameplay definitely shows it, because we've seen him being just...
I mean, he showed the best performances so far from Liquid,
because we talked about whether it's going to be Nisha Prime showing up,
maybe it's Nisha who didn't play pubs.
It was definitely Nisha Prime, especially that game on Ember Spirit,
that he solo carried the game against Aurora,
where everybody else was kind of like,
yeah, somebody has to do it, and he really stepped it up.
He did, and Team Liquid also has a history of, of course, doing well.
They're in a long tournament, thinking back to the before they won TI,
There was a TI where there was the last chance qualifier and they went all the way to the top three,
which was of course a lot of games in like a span of what three weeks.
So they maybe thrive on this one.
On the other side, it's extreme gaming and I think also the cost for them.
It might be good because relatively recent coach swap definitely seems to have impacted them
coming into this and more games than would also help.
This is still a super strong squad.
But it just feels like some things weren't really clicking for them.
I feel like this team can do so much more, like the numbers are not showing how strong
this team are, but they have some good ideas.
We talked about maybe some of the issues that they need to fix with how slow they played.
I think this is going to be the biggest issue, again, coming against Liquid, who can be extremely
fast team.
So I want to see if this is going to be the adjustment that they need to bring to the
table.
This is a pivotal moment for extreme like I think you have players like FY or army
I don't want to say it's going it's going to be their last right
But it could be in a sense
I think these players have thought about retired or maybe even retired and came back
It's an awful thing
Don't try this at home is very bad, but either way like I think
They don't take this for granted, you know, I they want to get some results
There's pressure on their shoulders in that sense just in China
So the whole Chinese scene, they're notoriously known for applying some sort of pressure on their teams.
Like they really want the home teams to perform.
So again, this is very crucial for Xtreme.
It is for both teams crucial.
And we're all hoping that that extra pressure for the teams will lead to the best Dota they've played this week.
But before we get to talk more about the Dota 2, we got to get this series started properly on the stage.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Esports World Cup Dota Edition, baby.
We are back.
We took a day off to gather our strength to bring you the greatest Dota you've ever
seen.
It's Elimination Day.
How are we all doing out there?
Oh, we are live in the well here in Paris.
Good to see you.
How are you doing?
Honestly, it was a great day.
Yesterday, we got to relax a bit as you're saying,
but something was missing.
We weren't here either practicing or getting into heavy
doughnut because we've had a full week last time.
All group stage, 12 hour days minimum
because we're enjoying so much of what's going on.
Big stories.
We had to say goodbye to a bunch of teams
and we got to see some of their keys being crushed
and that's kind of the big thing over here.
Doors open and your opponent's hopes come crashing down.
And we're gonna continue doing that today
because we're starting off with our survival stage.
That's right.
It's kind of in the name at that point.
It is, it is.
Today we're playing the survival bracket.
Every single game that you see will be a elimination game.
We're gonna send a lot of boys home
and talk about our first two teams coming out here today.
Fun little fact from Knoxville on Twitter.
The most amount of competitive games ever played is going to be on this stage coming up.
23,000 competitive games between all these teams.
So, let's get this party started.
We're going to bring out your first team of the day.
You guys ready?
Let's hear it!
All right, ladies and gentlemen, let's bring out Team Liquid!
Team Liquid is a team that likes to grief the group stage so they can learn.
You can't learn unless you lose.
A lot of teams coming in here thinking that they can destroy.
We're going to find out today if Liquid has learned those lessons and they're ready to
survive against a powerful opponent.
Alright for one, EmRator, I've got to wait with them.
I think they can do it.
I don't want to call it Kofi or anything else here so we're going to leave it until the
the game actually starts off because from now on it's all BL3s on this so let's welcome
their opponents to the stage. They're extreme gaming. Hell yeah, brothers and sisters, they
clinched fourth in group A and they were up against the wall still. That's all behind
them now as they reset for this survival stage. An important moment to decide who plays Team
Spirit after this. That's going to be crazy. Now the question is always can the Uncrown
King crush the sea or surprising well my friends only time will tell the
generals have gathered in the masses all right fantastic guys well we have one
hell of a show to start things off gentlemen are you ready all right we
got a nod you ready please put those keys in their reciprocals get to your
stations but most importantly I want to see that handshake this might be a risky
handshake here only one team will survive from this lag so best of three to
see who gets their key crushed and who moves on our panel are you ready take it
away
Flaks and Milo shared some stats on stage. I would like to share some stats as well.
It's scary stats, actually mostly scary for extreme gaming, because in the last 10 times
that these two teams faced each other, one ahead and shoulders above the rest.
There's been one tie, and that's nice.
And then there's been one series win for Extreme.
Yeah, during Dream League.
On the 8th, Dream League Season 29, they got that dub.
But other than that, they haven't looked good.
But you know what, Stats sometimes lieshaver.
We saw it in the Nigma Galaxy series against Team Liquid,
where nobody beat the Nigma Galaxies 16 or 17 times in a row and if they can do it, I believe so can extreme gaming.
Guys, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You can take your stats back. This is extreme gaming.
This is your TI finalists. Where were Liquid in the last TI finals? I don't know. So they can keep...
I know, I know. Do you want to know?
I don't want to know. All I know is like...
9.13th.
So I saw extreme I saw Falcons. That was the money time
Whatever happens in the season doesn't matter anymore. This is a workup. This is survival stage
This is single a limb. You have players like army players like F. Why all of them?
I could name I would name the five players. They're here to play and they can take now anything so
Not impressed with your stat. That's all good. I am I just want to focus on the action anyway
That's that's normally much more impressive and we talked about the pressure already
I want to talk about some of the lanes that we want to see do well because I know there's been a lot of discussion
When it comes to Team Liquid regarding the offlane and when it comes to extreme gaming
We have seen the offlane also they
XSS popped off especially on a on a snapfire earlier this week last week
I
Want to focus on that again. What do we want to see or maybe there's something that you just really don't want to see
I don't want to see Rubik straight away
I feel like Rubik in current meta just doesn't feel as good. There was one game where they opened up with Rubik on 9
I think in this current meta there are multiple heroes who are much much stronger than Rubik and that was their downfall
I think it was against the BB team where they got crushed in 20 minutes
And also maybe don't go too greedy from the off and I think the combination as well because NTS
He looked pretty good in most of the games that he played when he was the one when he they were playing against game
religion on nature's profit where he was solo kind of handedly bringing the game
back in the first 20 minutes after the other two lanes they did lose so I
want to see something like more lane oriented because they will need it
against Liquid. The key of the draft for both teams in my opinion like on one side
Liquid finding their groove with the off lane I think with the three and the four
the pair combination as in the pair hero combination how do boxy and ace like
What kind of plan did they build for themselves?
I think this has been off for Leipzig since the beginning of the tournament.
As we were saying earlier, like Nisha, he's been popping off, Mika is there, you know, Tofu, I feel.
And they need so much from Voxy and Ace.
Like, they're so important to their success.
That is one thing.
And on the extreme side, to me, it's mostly the support and mid hero pairings,
which I think have been very, very lackluster and has essentially disallowed them to play these games.
And at a pace that just say it just say which hero you don't want to see I mean
Again, it's like it's not just because there's one more there's
Because you have to think of what are we gonna see we're gonna see ember
We're gonna see Earth spirit on on liquid
You know where these heroes are like topping the matter and now you pick a casual Mirana
And it's like you give up every single room like they need to find a way to enable nothing to say
I think it's really important because that's how Doras paid her now you enable your mid laner so that he can enable the side lanes
afterwards like this is a give and take
If he gets the runes if he has good levels if he is allowed to push to mid wave then he's gonna rotate fight for the side lanes
And they haven't done it at all so far. I want to throw a hero you guys this way
We saw coming we saw last Wednesday Sunday Wow
We saw last Wednesday. We might have actually also saw seen it's Wednesday. We saw it Sunday. Wow English is so hard
Lina, we saw Watson play it on the safe lane and of course we've seen it on the mid lane as well
So as a flex is only Watson able to play Lina. No, I mean Watson is a hero specialist
It's like if he can make the hero work
Maybe not many others can but it does feel like a potentially good flex between one and two from the mid lane as well
We've seen different builds with either like spell casting build
We also see in GPK with the Triads BKB, Satanic, Daedalus, Hyperspray type of a build, so more of a scaling build from the safe lane.
I believe we saw Mjolnir on Watson and this hero has insanely high win rate.
It kind of fits the meta because we're in the range meta still from the carry role because like all of these position 5s, these melee 5s feel good to play with Lina anyway.
Yeah, I think it's a really strong hero.
Actually, I don't know if you recall, but I think Xtreme was the first Lina we've seen.
I think in the first series they picked Lina for nothing to say, and we criticized a little bit the pick
because of the synergy with the supports again and with the other side laners, so I think they lost that game
and they didn't feel as good as they could have, but that's maybe a good sign that they were ahead of the pack
and had the right to read on which heroes were going to be on the uprise.
Yeah, with the focus that we already want to see the nothing to say set up for success
and the emphasis we put on Nisha playing very well and having a very good tournament.
Do you want them to draft also supports that are just extra heavy on the rotation so earlier
on the normal maybe nothing to say can get a little bit help so we can get a leg up there?
I want them to pick their supports based on what nothing to say is gonna play and what
Nisha is going to play also.
This is what I want from Extreme Gaming Supports.
I don't care about this real big versus Bane.
Like this is just a bait.
Like at this point, it's just hurting them so much.
I hope they came to that confusion
because really this is what happened in these games.
So if they can enable their mid laner
and also make sure that they keep Nistra in check
because we've seen what happens when he's not,
he just runs away with the game.
Then, because I actually think that X-XS and Ame
are two of the most talented side laners in the world.
Like they are so good, these two.
but they need the game to be stable.
And it hasn't been the case really.
Yeah, XXS, I mean, I've been a big fan of this guy for forever.
Like I always put him in my top three offlaners
because he has been so stable.
And he can definitely be the clutch guy for the team.
Maybe Demetra doesn't really suit him that well.
Like he's a hero specialist as well,
one certain heroes.
Maybe, again, we're going back to like the position four,
position five, like what they're picking
And I also got to say that Ex-Noah, his hero pool hasn't really impressed me this tournament
because he only exclusively played range heroes compared to the parents that we've seen with the melee plus position 1 carry
that is ranged most of the time, even though Kaori has been bringing out some of the old classics with the warlocks
with potentially Jekiro's, which did look good.
I feel like maybe he needs to expand his little hero pool a little bit more just to make sure
that Ami also has a slightly easier landing stage.
Yeah, 100%.
And as we see the draft, you know, it's opened.
We are going to get SF on Liquid, which is something they are super happy with.
This is like a liquid classic, Miki extremely comfortable on the hero.
And Liquid is a team that strategizes in a sense that they always try to build on top
of what the hero wants and kind of set the key heroes of their draft for success.
So SF is a perfect Dota hero for that, you know.
I bet you're happy to see the Marana being banned so you don't have to think about her.
Yes.
But are you not worried about the Darkseer who has proven to be the strongest counter
to Shadowfiend?
It's very, very strong.
It's not so good in the lane, like we've seen Darkseer 33 also going to jungle straight
away making sure that he is getting something out of the lane because lane can be a bit
more difficult and they have multiple heroes that they can pair with this
darts are in the lane like we'd think about the tusk king for example that's
that's why right there but also another one that I would probably give maybe
slightly slight priority to is potentially picking up spirit breaker I
think this is one of the better counters in the current meta again
shadow fiend whenever you have a rape laning partner but for now it's just
gonna be hoodwink just to pick the highest winners heroes like you don't
have to check the numbers yes easy check the numbers and comply so that's good
I'm looking at the liquid bands and I'm like they must have been a lot of streams going on like they're missing inside information here
Because this sinking band this Murana band you're like what is going on because these heroes have either not been successful or not seen at all
We haven't seen the sinking on stream a but perhaps it was picked in some other games
So very interesting. They led the clockwork through which obviously is one of the top heroes of the tournament
Even though it's I think the winner it we were shown it earlier
It's a little bit below 50% but this is here that's first picked almost every game
So in that sense, it's it's only normal that it's going to be it's playing versus counters every game here
And and and despite that it's maintaining like a 50% win rate, which actually is pretty impressive
And of course the niche amber like how can you skip them? That's that if you're liquid
It's pretty blind though. Like it could get countered by the only Dan Lina
You know, Huskar has been banned by Xtreme, but we should expect nothing to say to pick a favorable counter.
There are certain counters, like we've seen good amount of Necrophos as well, even though teams feel like it is a counter,
some teams we felt like even in interviews after saying that it's not a bad matchup, you're going to be losing the lane.
I believe it was Nisha who can still play the lane, drag the creep wave into enemy triangle and get a good amount of farm.
And also you are a spirit vessel buyer, but
Eventually a pick that again can be flexed to three different roles right now not as much like you can
They have two different roles because they already picked out here, but oh
I gotta say I've been very impressed by earth shaker. This could also be
That's a nothing to say classic. It could be FY but probably not
I think like shaker darts your lane is normally used to be especially versus the clockwork 5 so
So, to me this looks like the answer to the Ember mid.
It's a good matchup for Shaker, I dare to say, I don't know how good it is anymore,
in a sense, because I think Ember is very, very buffed and Shaker has been nerfed for
a while now.
We'll have to see how it goes.
Obviously, nothing to say thinks it's good and amazing combo with Darcy here that goes
without saying.
You know, if we go back to Shaker meta, you know, Maureen, Falcons, TI, Shaker meta is
stack triangle and protect the stacks like so that you're gonna look at that
I'm a little bit worried on the Darcy hood wing leg because if they have a
rough one if the safe lane of liquid is very strong it might allow tofu to
wander place deep ops it might also allow Mikkei to even connect and try to
contest the stacks so the early laning execution from extreme especially on the
off lane is gonna be important so that FY has space to stack and to protect the
Yeah. So yeah, their support duo will be the Hootwink and the Wyvern coming out. We'll see how active they can be in the early stage of the game.
Yeah, it's a little bit better. I mean, I'm not a fan of the Wyvern pick in a sense. Like it's good against SF, but not good against Ember.
But hopefully if Shaker has a good enough game, these three heroes are going to be strong enough to match the Ember base in the early game.
in the early game. Like again, you want to think picture in your head, you want to think
of these three heroes fighting versus Ember, Clock plus one for the runes, for the Staggs,
for aggressive positions on the map. I guess why even hoodwing shaker does the job, what
do you think that costs?
Yeah, it looks like it's quite a lot of teamfight. And also the early game should be okay on
paper. I'm just wondering how much darts you're going to be able to get out of this lane
because it's not an easy lane frame by any means. And if shakers off to a good start,
If you're the one like maybe getting a better rotation, getting the kill on Ember Spirit,
getting level 6, your supports are stacking in the meantime, this could be a pretty good
shaker game other than like it has been pretty bad through Dota like history, you are playing
against Clockwork which is super annoying for you to play against.
Did he buy Ags or is it not the builds?
I've seen good amount of Ags, yeah, like we've seen Shaker only two times so far in the tournament,
he didn't lose yet.
I mean, I have to say Liquid are selecting the meta heroes, like I think these are the
heroes that have been, some of the heroes that have been the most successful in my
opinion, like Centaur has looked very good, very good, very good, there's like a bunch
of different builds, I think the hero's laning presence is very solid, it scales greatly
into the late game, Ember obviously, we've mentioned that SF Clock, these are like top,
of the top heroes this tournament. So they did the homework. Liquid is, I guess, playoff
mode. They did two sports with better win rates. Maybe that's why Nisha was so confident
in the pre-game interview. We open the stats, we know now, we have the knowledge. The only
question with that is, are they on the meta on the right time? Because obviously last
This was very good. Maybe extreme gaming is one step ahead and I see something in the heroes that they have that
Maybe it's not as obvious yet. Yeah, they'll have to showcase it
I mean just from a hero composition. I feel like liquid is in a pretty decent spot right now
There's some pressure on their last pick in my opinion, but boxy I think has a lot of cool options
I just want to see like a nice hero pairing basically with clock ember because this is like a little bit lackluster
You need you need some follow-up on on on embers aggression like follow-up in terms of disable follow-up in terms of damage
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, all of the above
Exactly, yeah, I don't know what you're thinking for boxy, but I was thinking willow it got banned
I'm thinking maybe coddle potentially lion that can come out if they feel like they need slightly more control
I'm okay with coddle maybe like some more because you have like the combination
It's probably one of the best if not the best hero pairing with coddle except for pango
So it feels really nice to play you can also you also don't know the matchups
You're gonna be showing up the wave relatively easy with the centaur plus
Yeah, what else is there what else is there is Kai an option
I mean, it's not the best versus Dorse here, but it's very good in early game against shaker. It's a good Ruby game
It's a yeah, it's a decent one. I think wouldn't be first pick so that surely is better than you know
But Clock Ember Rubik, I think they like damage, if I'm honest.
I feel like Whyver Embrace is too strong.
Early game, like they actually are not going to kill heroes.
But I mean, we have to see.
They have the Stampede also to help them.
I like Sky for some reason.
I feel like it's a good Sky game.
Like they need more magic damage in the early game.
Because again, you want to think of Centaur and SF as like,
they're not going to get involved that early.
I'm talking first 10 to 15 minutes.
So again, it's going to come down to this Clock Ember.
like can they go and contest acts or are they gonna lead that shaker you know get get huge
Again, the last pick is on extreme side. So they will secure themselves the win condition. It's a first pick SF
So liquid is gonna be you know, I'm quoting that but on a timer in a sense
We're gonna see an army hero that will win the game eventually
so you want to be able to bring the heat to extreme if you're liquid and
And Boxy Hero has... Okay, so they're actually gonna...
You clocked 4 and...
Which is after 5.
It's a 5-way clock, they're interesting.
I mean, very good against the Wyvern save,
because obviously, Madedict, and you still, you know, keep them in place.
Your overwhelming amount of magic damage is always good.
This Hero has looked pretty good, right?
It looks very, very good.
Like with the heal and with a bit of a newer build,
where you skip the cask, you get it at level 3.
Sometimes even level 4s you're playing off your heal and Maladik early on.
And Clinkz, I've been pretty impressed with how well this hero scales.
It's another off or block hero in the lane, like we've seen in the Draw Rangers, of course.
Like we've seen some Vipers from time to time.
It's very difficult to lane against these heroes.
And this hero is a bit more deceptively tanky compared to other heroes,
especially if you have Wyvern with the Fairy Fire, with the Wand, with the Death Pack.
Not the easiest hero to kill.
But why Clink's over a draw ranger for example?
I think it's more active. I think this hero also sieges the high ground better.
We've seen teams with draw rangers also struggling if you don't have Aegis to go for buildings.
Clink's a bit of a different type of a hero. It's also more active hero that likes to get involved early on
and think that's the type of a hero they need it.
Much more thank you too. You think of the Liquid lineup, Amber, Cloak, Centaur, they're going to be running at you.
running at you like they will be jumping this draw trying to kill her
Cleans doesn't care like we've seen the axe build too where it's like you want to
enter like jump and enter the fight be my guest you know you use the agg and
acceptor ability and all of a sudden they have to run away like because it's
just an overwhelming amount of damage so I like the Cleans pick up I'm trying to
think is this which Dr. SF like a bit of a weaker than clock SF like is it better
for hoodwink and Darcy I have the feeling that Darcy is gonna get more
out of the lane. So in my opinion, kind of a good news for X-Treme that they don't have to run into
the clock safe lane. But at the same time, I understand they just want to, for Liquid, like you
see this Wyvern Clinkz is so much for us. It's a very toxic lane. So their plan is just going to be
to be pulling waves. Like, Boxe is going to pull waves, Ace is going to chill far in between towers,
and Boxe is going to do Boxe things. I think we've got to expect him to even play through the safe lane
at some point. Like, as soon as Ace gets his first region item, for instance, then Boxe is just going
TP safe lane or gate and play around SF and try to bully the Darkseer and fight for the stacks in the extreme gaming triangle
So do we have an overall favorite in the in these two drafts because you guys are saying good stuff about both?
I know a great Darkseer who twinkling yay. We got Ember spear doing well. Yay. One of the better extreme drafts
Yeah, I'm gonna say I like them more
I'll give them maybe like 7.5 percent chance more to win this game compared to some 7.5
Yes, but he's a very precise expert like he did the math actually
No, yeah, I mean I agree extreme very cool draft one of the better ones I'd give them 8.5%
I mean I did the math. I think you I think you're amazing. I missed that one percent, but um
Liquid solid as usual. I mean, yeah, you mentioned that this is a very much a meta draft
Like this is a line up where you see it and it makes sense. It comes together.
The same thing can be said for extreme gaming. If you think about it, it may be a little bit more.
And the numbers are not yet there to back it up.
But potentially extreme gaming won't make those numbers go up with this game one.
Keep in mind, this is a best of three. Let's see who starts this series with a leg up.
A win up. We're heading over to Cap and SVG for game one.
Liquid versus an extreme, a matchup that is full of prestige and age.
This is a matchup full of players that have been through Dota for years and years and years and
Well in this matchup anyway, we're gonna see
Fresh liquid fresh extreme little bit different rosters than say their peaks of winning TI and being TI finalists in the hands of extreme
but they've been kind of rough lately and now they have to go through the gauntlet of this
Survival phase and to make it through the playoffs in the first place
I mean Avery just dude they have to win this and then they have to go match up against spirit after this
There'd be a tough road to those finals for both of these squads though
I do think both these squads have shown they can be one of those teams that makes the run
They have that kind of history of you know
Gaining a little experience gaining a little momentum one series one game at a time and finding their oomph in a tournament overall
So I'm not gonna count either these out in fact
I probably give them the dark horse status of the tournament from the survival stage and saying whatever team makes it through here is
Yeah, exactly. I have a lot of momentum.
If one of these makes it, they're going to be a strong competitor.
You just got to get over that hump.
So, we'll see who comes out on top of this series.
Excited to get a B03 after all those B02s as well.
Because the Game 3 could be very spicy.
Get a definitive answer of who's actually better as a team right now.
And we have a very cool draft game one.
Actually going back to the Roots.
Strong team fight.
Team fight controlling hero for NTS.
XXS with a lane counter pick and some scale.
their archetype that has worked for them particularly in their TI run and then
you get like that last pick for a mom and you can kind of have his choice of
whatever come for hero he wants if he gets an option to play the Kling C will
usually play the Kling C loves that hero nobody knows why but he loves it so
both teams have had to improve on some way which team do you think has done a
better job drafting for themselves now compared to the groups this liquid draft
tells me they sat down, they looked at what heroes were working for them, which are converting
the games to wins instead of just maybe looking good, and they went that direction, particularly
this Ember and Centaur. I think both Ember and Centaur have looked like S tier picks
this event, and they got two Premier Cores, and that was with the first pick, Shadowthings.
Yeah, Shadowthings is going to do Shadowthings, but to me it's the other two Cores. They got
some Premier picks here. I almost don't even really care what the supports play on Liquid,
as long as they're feeling it and can make moves. I think that's when they shine. I think
Liquid is a team where I don't need to see Poxy on a particular hero. I don't need to see Tofu
on a particular hero. I just need to see them making moves, playing fast, connecting to plays.
If they feel like they have those options available, nine times out of ten they're going to
convert on those in a successful manner. They just have to be able to get that opportunity.
The panel talked about something similar in that Liquid is drafting much more to the meta for EWC,
But is there I feel like you would if they were doing something completely original
You would be supporting them being like hey
They're doing their own ideas instead of chasing the better right like isn't this some of liquid isn't I think just chasing
What's good right now not necessarily leading it?
Maybe there's some argument in that I don't think that's the worst thing to do in an elimination match like this when you're trying to build
Something though, okay, I also think maybe a lot of their own ideas just didn't work
I hear in a skirm with these things you're gonna play some series if they fail
You have to make a call do we stick with them or do we just try and move on and play more of the meta and the
Meta looks pretty defined right now. Sure. So I don't mind. It's like I don't look at anything like what picks me like
Why are they picking zero and particularly this niche amber?
I feel like this is his best year right now in terms of the hero player meta combination overall
This is a really scary thing to give to liquid. It can build so much momentum
It's rare. He's gonna lose the lane once you really cheese pick him and it enables their support to him
it enables the fast gameplay. It almost doesn't matter what happens to this guy in the first 10 minutes.
He's going to bring that mid-game liquids way. You have to be prepared for that. And that's a big
questions game. One, especially for extreme gaming. Do you have the tools to deal with December?
Because if he runs the gauntlet here, and then you have to go into that game too,
and his band priority goes up, you might not have all the bands to be able to deal with him.
So this is a big moment for XG in this series in terms of dealing with this hero specifically.
Do you have the staying power on the battlefield to do that? I like the shaker pick.
I like the hoodlink, low cooldown stun against him.
I think they might have some damage follow-up problems in the early portion of that midgame,
but they do have a lot of scaling damage here, so it looks okay.
Yeah, I feel like it's kind of weird meta-de-beta.
Like Ember's Spirit builds change so often right now.
It's maxing on Flamegard that some heroes are good against one version of Ember and not the others.
Nisha is gonna be ganked up, so not only do they counterpick him with the Earthshaker
to get a lane-winning matchup, but now they're also moving
Bull supports to shut down this Ember spirit.
I mean, I like it.
As you said, we've seen these Ember spirits just pop the hell off.
It's definitely one of the heroes of the tournament.
So anything that you can do to keep it down, I'm all for.
That's some serious hate.
Nice timing, though.
The formnet, Warren, he's still level four.
You only have two points in the flame garden,
instead of potentially three.
So when he's a little more susceptible to these early nukes,
I like their rotation from FG.
Well, so what were you really doing in the side lanes?
You're probably going to beat this SF, which stalked your lane,
The other lane Centaur has already picked up his helm of iron will, so it's about that
time where Ace is going to be free farming.
So honestly, your best attention is going to be to that mid lane.
Darkseer is just going to be jungling away at this point.
X-X-S knows that he can't really play into the SF Witch Doctor, especially Solo.
The Centaur can die down here if you want to bring the hoodwink, as look we're going
to try and leave Ace alone.
Courier.
Foxy, Roman, in the mid trying to get something done.
Got the bush whack on him.
Cogs pushing back nothing to say. Oh, man, he hit the stun on Nisha, max range, and it gets the kill as a result.
Nisha dead again.
That's a rough death. Still had only two points in the flamethrower trying to hold. He got the skill point at the end,
so he kind of dies similar way twice to the shaker counter pick, and now you're gonna be level six on NTS.
Way before the Ember, you have a chance to just all in with an Echo Slam here.
We'll see if I actually bring more numbers and look for the third kill in the Ember in this early game.
Yeah, what do you do if you get like Ember Spirit isn't gonna go jungle right to get his level six
So you have to put yourself out there to potentially get all in again
And he has to keep you back into the lane
So you're right very scared right now about this all in potential and we see liquid green both supports towards the six minute power
And again, this is a lot of committal
You get the right
Rune here for nothing to say something like a haste rune or something this could be dangerous
Boxing will protect it with the clogs the other side. It'll be an ant damage
Er, sorry, Foxy grabs the end damage.
What about a big rune for both these guys?
Not the early game, but at least you take it away from NTS.
Still wary of the three points in the aftershock with the Echo Slam all in in the Ember here, if the shield's down.
Tofu.
Make a little jump there into the enemy triangle, seeing if they got too many stacks going on here.
Always wary about that injection for the Earthshaker.
There's an Echo!
Nisha is not going to die. In fact, nothing to say had that read a little off, but maybe they could still chase him down here.
Vex Nova was bushwaxed, like Dodge on the bushwax. The stun doesn't land either.
Nisha is still making a run for it. He has a fairy fire, gets up to the high ground, can bottle hit.
Stampede goes off and nothing to say. Well, he could finish her, but it's too late.
The bottle heal has already gone off. Meanwhile, the Stampede extra movement speed chased away XXS from that top lane.
If they are going to put all this attention on the Ember spirit, Nikkei is doing a good job of putting pressure elsewhere, almost taking this off-lane tower already and securing the Wisdom Shrine.
That's a huge win for Liquid, they keep the Ember alive, Echo on cooldown, win Wisdom Shrines. Just miscommunication there from HG, that should not be a kill they lose with both supports heading to mid, but they're late to the party when the Echo goes out.
Yeah, and then you get dragged in that committal. You're not fighting wisdom shrines against a weaker enemy mid and then you lose your tier one off lane
Really strange sequence for trim game. You said they were stronger on the map and they lost every objective in that time period
Nice. It's just one of those clear mix of incentives, right? The support for sure
They want their wisdom shrine. They think oh, we got to protect that
Nothing you say it's like I want to kill me shagam. Let's kill this guy. I think his call was the correct one
I think it's okay to give up the shrine to get another Ember kill
But you needed to get two out of those three objectives not zero out of three, right?
I think liquid are kind of like let's try and get something here and they end up getting at all
That's great for them. Oh look at this move from Amé
If this you're actually blocking him away, but Amé he kind of wants him to be here
So I made this rotation this this power room is supposed to be a bait for me, but
Can definitely see the adjustment from a shooting gaming in terms of prioritizing the mid lane
Fighting for the runes, not just throwing NTS to the wolves this, that was a huge deal in some of their other series.
Oh yeah, it's like puck game, nothing to say, that was pretty cool.
So this is going to vote a lot better for them over the course of the series, just this macro adjustment.
It does mean our supports are going to be very low level on both sides, even with double wisdoms being picked up for liquid.
Box C is level 3.
Gave all that solo speed to the Centaur, so we'll pay off our ace.
He is fairly farmed.
Level 7.5, hell done.
He's cruising here.
There's another Echo for the big ancient stack.
Push into us close to that blink dagger, it's about 200 off.
I mean, it wasn't a super stack, no, it's just because there was so much play in this
triangle they couldn't really stack it multiple times.
We even saw the high ground warp being placed by Fy to try and protect this area.
And the biggest story here is Micae, an absolute free farm, first pick Shadowfiend, empty lane
up top, heavy last hits, he is pretty damn fat here.
If he gets involved in this early game at all, which might be a possibility with Stampede,
the Ember going in first, he can absolutely join a lot of these fights.
You don't have a great answer for him here in the early game.
You're kind of looking to scale into this SF with some of the Darkseer wall illusions,
the Clink Slay game, maybe Wyvern lands a curse, but this spell's not too reliable nowadays.
I would like to see Micae get involved in some of these early kills.
If Liquid can set up the fights, and he can be the last man joining them, he should clean
House.
Aume's got an interesting build.
I know there's probably only five other Clink's players out there in the world that care about
this, but there's been this weird, like, what do you build early on as Clink's?
Do you build the Falcon Blade?
Do you build a Soul Ring?
Aume was a big component of the Soul Ring a couple months ago, but he's actually just
got a Double Sage's Mask.
No item at all.
I'll save this Master and rush to the Deso.
The poor man's soaring, as I might say.
Very much so.
Stage Mask? Probably the most efficient man in the game.
The one you don't mind selling back the most, so...
If he can get enough sustain out of this, I don't mind this build up.
We'd like to also see him get involved in this game right when that Deso comes out.
I don't like the Almei Clink's games where he gets Deso and he's just in the jungle for another 10 minutes.
Yeah.
We've definitely seen Clinkz's prioritized Agatom Scepter, so it does feel like we're
trying to utilize Clinkz a bit more, Teamfight.
And there is so much Teamfight on extreme gaming, Vacuum Echo Slam is going to be brutal
for Liquid if they don't play Teamfights correctly.
Look at his bottom lane push, Homie's going to take this tower.
And Liquid don't even try and put up a fight for it.
Interesting.
Whatever, we just farm.
I think Ace was trying to stand there, maybe just worried about where this shaker is off
the map.
NTS was in jungle for a while there, especially since he's got a lot of unreliable gold as
he almost has the Ring of Tarras complete, so.
Conceit a little bit here, make sure you get that next round of items.
Still just looking at this now, War Charged.
Nisha's not getting a lot here, man.
He can't stand mid, he's not getting a lot of the jungle priority, he hasn't earned with
No charges, and now he's getting hunted by Aume.
Which is awkward because the attention seems to be on the clockwork right now.
Now he's surrounded by three heroes, but they've already used their stuns from the Earthshaker.
So Aume's just like, again, like, I've made a rotation, guys.
I'm slowing down my desotiming, but like, nobody's really working with me here.
Okay, they just blink Echo on Nisha, but again, no follow-up.
Where is the coordination?
Extreme gaming, they gotta wake up.
Maybe Aume can kill Boxie, and at least he can't even get Boxie.
The box he gets around the tree and out of sight.
If Nisha ends up getting a kill out of the sequence, I would rather say.
This is just ridiculous at this point.
Okay, they do manage to stop Tofu from getting that kill.
Maybe Nisha still cleans it up though.
Flameguard to run him down with the shield run underneath tower.
Flameguard tries to stop him, but Sampy makes it easy.
Now, Alvay's gonna die.
Triple-raised double kill for Nisha.
Extreme gaming.
I mean, I don't even know what to say about this one.
We talked about these teams not being in the best form,
This is the worst that he streamed his look this tournament.
I don't know what that sequence was from them.
If anything, I thought you'd maybe just echo Nisha when he runs down the hill?
I think there was a solid chance he died, there was no hookshot or anything.
Then you wait till everyone's out of range and then you go in.
Two of these Echo Slams just...
Coordinated to zero percentage here.
I also wonder, is this the shaker build for the game?
He's maxing Fissure over the Enchant Totem.
I think he just kills the Ember there straight up if he has three points in the Totem.
Oh yeah, that is very weird.
I don't like this build on the mid-ember at all, especially when you have Ion Shell for some extra magic damage anyway.
Yeah.
You want this Cortotamax?
Like, you're gonna do so much damage, particularly to this ember, with the overwhelming physical burst.
It's hard to deal with.
So I think you just missed opportunities here for SG. Still in an OK position, this ember is still suffering, but that was a big recovery for Nisha.
Well, the early towers are going down, nice combo, Fischer, Bushwack and the finishing
touch there, the shot shooter, now extreme gaming are getting some coordination.
We'll see if the missed kills come back to bite him in this game, if December managed
to recover a little bit more here.
It was also a great fight for Mickey, that's the exact type of thing you want to see out
of him in this game.
SF joining the tail end of these exchanges and just triple race him on to death, big
Golden Jackson for him. He's still running away with this game right now in prime position
Just steal the mid game with some momentum. All right, let's talk about centaur
Hmm centaur what what is this hero now because ace who is a very big centaur player? He is
Starting to go this build where he just rushes part is this hero no longer an initiator
Is it just like an offlane former are we gonna see 33 plane?
I feel like this is a 33 build if I'm not sure this is the farming scaling center building if you want to have impact
After 40 minutes, this is what you do. You're gonna farm the fastest. You're gonna be super high net worth
You're gonna be a presence in the map. It's also not too bad in the teamfights either
Make your spells do a little more damage whenever you get that shard. You feel really good about scaling up as well
You just absorb a lot of spells you just stampede in but that's often more useful than I blink stun some dude for
You know, 1.7 seconds or whatever.
It's 2.2, but, yeah.
Scaled per level.
Now level 1's 1.6, 1.8.
Oh, I see what you're doing.
It's a pretty bad stunt. You have to put a bunch of points into it.
It has a bad cast animation.
Your damage followups are relevant.
I prefer this build.
Look at how far he is. Can't complain about that.
No, I certainly can.
Because Nisha may not be having the best game.
He is way behind in that worth compared to all the cores in the game.
It's certainly being made up by these two side laners.
And I think Nisha, no doubt he understands that.
He has to play with his two supports and try and make things happen.
He's got two heroes to go to farm, farm, farm.
And I mean, probably eventually win the game
if they're able to free farm like this, right?
Not sure their skills that much.
Better at all.
Wyvern Darts, he's going to scale really well in this game against the SF.
I mean, I guess I'm just thinking, isn't the one-two punch of Centaur SF?
We've seen this so many times.
The cart SF.
I feel like that's one of the most indomitable tools in in the meta right now.
Sounds like here's the shaker hater.
It's like James FY trying to short shooter his way out of there,
but unfortunately does not get up to the high ground.
Finally, the hits come in to finish the kill.
Now is Liquid able to do anything with this because there's plenty of extreme members here
And I think no doubt they would defend their mid tower if a push came their way
So yeah liquid just break up and go for him again
Need to be really careful
Forcing fights into XG if they're settled because you're gonna get bomb or combo on the return
And it's gonna be quite nasty or if you get cursed if you get vacuumed into any of the shaker spells the fight is pretty much over
You're only disruption in that sense is the clockwork
I think Boxie's role for Liquid has an initiator and an encounter initiator is super important here
He needs to get in there and disrupt the combo
From XG that means either you know finding shaker at the start of the fight or just jumping in placing a cogs
Which makes it hard to get this nice vacuum echo combo going
You can be really disruptive here
Probably annoying hero to play into for the team by line of what a stack of three-man hookshot stun
They try and hit a requiem off a little bit and nail the race followed up.
Okay, they do actually put together the damage.
Mckang, pretty good read of that situation to requiem from so far away to chain the stuns there.
And then four staffed himself forward to getting in range of the race. Nice vacuum wall, but unfortunately
it's on a Centaur, not an SF, so he's gonna be out of the refinement.
He's gonna tee me away.
And that gives him an excuse to go farm some more.
Exactly. Put that hard to use.
Yeah.
The other thing about this heart is you can push waves.
The ace is not afraid to shove out this bottom,
I mean, would love to go on him here.
You just don't do enough damage.
Yeah.
What a hookshot fight.
3-man hookshot.
Yeah, you don't see that very often.
Pretty nasty stuff.
You already have 4 staff, Kai, Yash on the big game.
He's ready to join these fights and get quick requiem's off.
More recovery for the Ember Sphere.
That is the story here, right?
Two more kills going in Nisha's pocket.
It's a bonus gold, some more vessel charges.
Quite happy about that one.
And that comes from that early offlane tower that they took in the lane war that got placed as a result of that.
That sets all of that up, gives Boxy full information.
And they're going straight back to it.
Should be another kill on X-XS, unless he can make something nice little touch and throw and get him inside the cogs.
And hooks you out just to make sure he can't escape.
Got a little sentar too?
Yeah, it's raining extra under gold.
Clockwork is gonna be an issue in this game in the first stream.
I think Cyril's an issue every game, but particularly this one.
Their cores do not react well to getting hookshot battery cauldron.
They're just not really the counter play.
Yeah.
These heroes don't really want to buy 4-staff either.
You're probably just looking at BKBs.
I think even if you're stuck in cauldrons with this lineup,
I feel like it debilitates a lot of your teamfight coordination as well.
I will say, I think the upside for them is that while that does debilitate them and everything,
I think if they just kill the SF on the initiation, then all that muck afterwards doesn't really
matter too much.
I don't think you're ever going to be able to initiate all of this game.
The only time you're going to see Mikkei is the first point of contact in the fight is
if he has Aegis.
Right, in which case, he's kind of annoying to kill because you're going to have to commit some of your big AOL spells on a single target. That never feels that great.
Maybe you can burst him down with the clinks if he gets enough overwhelming damage, but that's a long way away.
Clinks does scale very hard, but he kind of needs to get over the mid-game hump.
At that point, I think the fight will become easier, but for now I think it's just Liquid-favored, and this SF is looking like a big problem.
already Hurricane Pipe done it. They can put an Aegis on Vickay, be huge in this game.
Not flying to get their smoke breaks in extreme gaming, to not catch Ace, which would have been
a tough year to get anyway. This was also a play call that they made where they were pulling Aume
across the map to join them, because he still doesn't have any deso charges yet.
Very slow game for this item in particular. He needs something to get going here.
Again, the double-soby-mass is supposed to be for him to get a faster death cell, and it hasn't paid off at all.
Well, there's a charge.
He finally gets a charge.
Boxing will sacrifice himself to deny that illusion or not.
I don't think an illusion or it is that important, but...
He denied it, you know, he got him.
They're not expecting XG to all be camping at there.
Sure, sure.
As Roche come in top, XG probably just gonna force the objective.
Having issues getting the teamfight they want.
Well, make Liquid come into you.
Well, this is gonna be still very awkward because there is some very good high-ground vision playoff of if you're a liquid who goes in
I guess you can send the centaur. He's just not that much of a damage turn right now
So you kind of ignore him a little bit of your energy. They're gonna smoke
They're gonna stop the Roche and look for the kill. Do they have the damage to kill centaur? They do
Push black pull a man to requiem goes out trying to force out them way it doesn't work
Now the vacuum backhand pulls in tofu does not get the nap on the Mickey so good read from extreme gaming
Trusting that they had enough to be able to kill that big tanky off later and now the opening to take Rocha
He doesn't have that much armor yet
It was a heads up medallion biome so you're melting
six armor off the deso another four
Or no seven no four sorry so
Yeah, what do you think of his armor basically? Turning all the physical and the pure damage there before he has a shiva's or anything up?
It feels a little silly to go hardbox. He's really trying for a hook shot steal. It's not gonna happen
Nisha
Build a heart but not builds like even just a basic plate mail afterwards. He went for the blink dagger
Oh, he's eyeing the plate mail now. Yeah, of course. So good. He's gonna go the armor eventually
I'm saying what do you think about him going for the blink tag in the first place it feels
Awkward
Depends on if you thought you were gonna be able to get that smoke jump into a team fight
Enable the SF and then get roast yourself. I think that was probably the game plan here for liquid
They just got caught off guard and beat to the punch
Maybe underestimating the the timings here for the clink's relative to the SF
He's not that far behind not as if Ames had a slow farm game
He just hadn't found that many kills around the map
Well, now I'll make it be super aggressive with an Aegis and an Orchid and pick up on Tofu here nice and easy
These types of kills are big for Clinks, honestly
You get so much momentum in the game the extra levels are super nice
You get map control you make parts of the map scarier for these liquid supports to run into it's a big deal
It would have been all the sweeter though if he had caught the Embers fairy. Well, sure. Yeah, beggars can't be choosers
Revealing that Orchid, Nisha is gonna have to play a lot more careful around the map knowing the Clinks has this silence
he doesn't have a tool to deal with him for quite some time. They're going nothing to say here. Now
nothing to say has a shield rune and he will be able to blink away because of that. They almost
got through the shield rune in time and if they did he would have died. That was a little, little
spooky. MTS, floating with danger. See if they just committed for the tier two push top. This
These will fight liquid, could take.
They don't have hook shot.
So missing that kill mid is probably gonna cost them this objective fight.
Yeah.
I'll catch you back off again, and they've been extremely conservative on these objective plays.
But go for it and just take the fights.
Keep the Tormentor.
Yeah, I guess so.
Better objective, save objective.
Yeah, get them to go top and then you know the Tormentor is free to take,
especially since there's no off-link tier one.
They have two shards already, so should go to one of the supports, yep.
Not the greatest shard anymore.
Yeah, that one's uh...
Not amazing, you get the cooldown though.
Kinda nice.
Well, how much are you using Cold Embrace in this game?
It's not the worst Cold Embrace game I will say.
It's also not the best.
No, but I think it's very hard to get a game where you look at the spell and it's free
to use.
Show me.
Honestly, you can maybe block some of the physical damage coming out from this SF.
It's okay against Centaur, and you're stalling, but yeah, pretty mediocre.
Yeah, I feel like as the game goes on, Centaur's like, oh, that's a hero with my shard.
I just double-edged over and over again, and I'm going to build a whole lot of strength off of it.
Actually, looking solid right now, Liquid's going to smoke, trying to make a move.
And damage does give them clearance to take a 5 vs 6, even the extra life may not be enough
to contest nant damage.
They do have the PKB up mid game.
That's a big timing here.
Yeah.
Not a lot of PKB control for extreme gaming, and it's a huge item in this SF Darkseer matchup.
A long smoke wraparound, but extreme seed, very well.
They do hit the hook shot onto the high ground.
It makes no ball, but Aame, what a vacuum!
And the curse goes off as well.
Ace jumps over to the side, trying to stop Ace here.
And how have they not killed anybody in this mess of spells?
Finally, the witch doctor goes down, but Aame has lost his Aegis
and takes to get his setup on him.
Mickey's ready to go.
He's going to pop the BKB.
Requiem, point blank, and kill Aame a second time.
How do you hit a combo like that?
Was the curse grief?
The curse was fine because it should set up for the shaker,
But Boxy disrupted the shaker on the back side of the fight so you can't get in there and stun them all
And create space for the clinks. Hit the James on nothing saying Mickey didn't manage to reset
Now he's got a hurricane tank back up in a place
So it was Toyn who seemed maybe he could join his team again, but
Yeah, they call it quits here. They want to make sure AIDS gets out though
Ace taking a lot of damage to commit the Echo Sam and finish him off and Mickey almost died in the back lines there
They hit him with a fish or hit him with the Echo Fy!
What a dodge! Mickey with the heads up
Little move there that keeps them alive. Nothing to say is still looking at these low health heroes.
Well, nothing is okay. Yeah, he just kills someone like that now, pops PKB.
He's still right in the middle of all these low health supports.
But big bad nothing to say is trying to finish him off with the Enchantotus and gets the job done.
Who cares if Ex-Noma dies? Now they grab yet another hero.
Boxie pulled back him by a vacuum and Lick agent... Lick him bleeding out here.
They lost both supports twice as that fight gets extended so long.
And that was what I'll make doing effectively nothing like you deal some damage here at the start of the fight
But he didn't get anything done with the two lives
It's just all the shaker with the darts here support cleaning house if you don't kill hoodwink
She wins these long fights you get like four or five bushwax off. That's the game
So you get the hook shot here
You just rub the wyvern and then boxy he's gonna run down and he's just gonna nap the shakers
He comes in so you can't get in here for that echo
There's just not any damage going on to liquid in this curse. It's a team fight setup spell in this game
couldn't utilize it at the end. A little unfortunate for how good it looked.
Liquid still pay a big price though. Mikkei takes a lot of damage here. You lose the
supports. You have to reset. I mean imagine Mikkei dies off of that.
I mean that's a 7 for 1 if you guys are. Yeah exactly. Still ends up being
effectively a 6 for 1. Pretty brutal for Liquid. Showing you the power of Shaker in
this game. He's real strong. He's constant in-chan totem hits. I mean
Amber spirit doesn't really match that damage right now and nothing to say is
well on his way to our fresher off of that.
This is where I love the cool down synergy for XG like I think heroes like
Goodwink and Shaper just work super well together.
Oh what up? Oh all right nice little fight.
Well let's also see if I ace can continue to find some team net worth here in terms
like a crimson or pipe or something?
What do you think he's going with this plate now?
Is it Chivas?
Is it a good Lotus game?
It's either Lotus or Chivas, and Lotus is not doing anything for a year.
Yeah, it's not, so...
It might just be a casual one for now.
I could see him going into a pipe or crimson before he finishes his plate mail into anything.
Okay.
You're really big on the crimson.
You don't think Agamceptor is worth investing into early?
Isn't there really only one hero you're looking to keep alive in this fight and that's the SF?
I don't like the Axe as much as Pipe. I think Pipe is better here against XG's teamfight.
Okay, especially in this mid game.
They do have plenty of AWE stuns, so it's not going to be the easiest to get in there to save the SF.
Chances of you getting hit by a Fisher, EchoSlam, Vacuum, Bushwack, Winner's Curse, let's go Zon.
It's tough. I also think you have to rely on Mikkei's BKB a little bit in this game.
Like, he has to be able to get in there, hit in this BKB, use it, while other stuff is happening, other heroes are getting disabled, or controlled by the clockwork and the ember.
You have backline jump in this lineup.
Okay, but what if he went his patented double heart?
I was looking at, he's not, he's not gonna do that.
There's no way, this is not.
This is not the position, right?
This is not the game board in my mind.
He bought out the reaver.
He's doing it! He's doing it!
So Ace is the originator of this build. Shout out to Knox over this one. Apparently, he is the person to do this build the most.
He was also the first person to do it all the way back in 2014.
You're very tanky.
You are.
Don't deny that.
Well, it's better than one heart, two hearts, I guess.
I just can't.
Whoa, Nicky.
It's away with the four staff initially. Extreme gaming.
We're gonna keep chasing.
Awkward position for them.
Hulk shot on nothing to say. He's got the PKB, doesn't want to have to use it early here.
Fisher goes out and does damage to get the blank way. No damage done.
X-XS just keeping some of these heroes back.
Aisha making sure to threaten. Doesn't actually jump in, throws out the remnant.
He needs to get to the winter wyvern and hoodwink first thing every fight.
You want to find the XG backline but you don't want to overextend.
Right. Too far away from your damage to do it.
You can end up in these situations where the rest of the line-up that's charging in trying to take advantage of the backline jump just gets combo or killed by clinks.
Speaking of the clinks, with his shards soon to be level 20 and a Daedalus on the way, scaling a lot of damage.
Starting to become a massive threat.
These low armor heroes, particularly his liquid supports, they don't have it though.
I guess you have a Ghost Scepter on tofu.
tofu that's about it though we're in for boxy going into these fights we find
that hook shot and just get instantly ripped apart yeah boxy's also gonna buy a
ghost scepter you need to hear see if I may go to the null fire he just doesn't
care it tries to take down some bigger targets well I guess I'm just gonna be
like double heart you go in it like don't extreme talk about this and just
say whatever you do. Don't go on the center. They can, yeah. Like, we'll say they do hit
the center. It is a lot of damage they're taking from retaliate. That is for sure. Well,
you can get broken talent. That's true. There's a break in this game. Another reason I like
it a little less here. Does have the armor now, though. I mean, if they do let him complete
out this build. Right, where he gets the shard, maybe gets Shivas. It can become oppressive.
It's basically a damage test. If you ignore him and he has the shard and he starts getting
4 or 5 double edges off, the build comes online. If he gets controlled or the rest of his team
dies too quickly, this build doesn't pay off. A little bit of a gamble on a game like this.
from Liquid. It's trying to take a fight off of Roach.
Spotted him for the same. Two minutes to get that initiative.
Trying to take him for the four staff, got a boy for the saw, but now the vacuum has counterplay.
Big hit from X-X as the kills won. Meanwhile, you have Pisha committing his entire BKB
trying to finish off the win of Wyvern. The Echo Slay, push Wackim.
The BKB expires as they finish up the win of Wyvern kill.
I thought he popped it there, but it was already running.
Great snag from Extreme Gaming. That actually is just not gonna be an easy fight.
Like, there's no way about it. Going into an XG high ground this game seems almost impossible
with how many heroes can turn that initial go around.
Oh my god, PooPlegreKwim! He got nothing to say! Just standing- Wait, wait, wait! He got the miss?
He finally gets the kill, but he had to commit heavily for it. Now it's off! They're turnaround though!
And oh, Hoodwig gets a couple of scurry dodges, finally goes down, and with their death requiem,
they do kill Ame off of this one. I mean, even the whole team might not be able to
to fight up against the Centaur.
Definitely nothing you're doing against Ace in that situation.
What a play from Mikkei.
Why did nothing to say?
I think you just wanted to scout the high ground
to stop any sort of test coming through.
I guess so.
Just walk straight into
1,300 damage coming out from that SF.
I mean, it couldn't be more picture perfect for Mikkei outside of the
awkward way to finish nothing to say.
had to commit the four snap BKB down to low ground and misses a shot on FY.
Slows his damage down considerably, but in the end it works.
If I get the Morosh here, Aces, I'm gonna shock it down right now.
Yeah, he's gonna do it myself.
Now he's got a shard. He didn't have it.
You gotta contest yourself for that.
You can't let Liquid take a Rochon without the shadow fighting the battle.
Wall's back up.
Wall's back up. X6S cricket something good here.
It gets the Sheevis vacuum, pulling out of the pit.
Roshan's low, they make the commitment, X-XS tries to steal Penetra, it's too fast!
X-XS now trying to run away, but a beautiful deathmort set up by Tofuu.
Too late on the fissure to bail out your off laner, and nothing to say Mike Dyeford as well.
They're gonna jump after both him and FY. They would've clenched all the kills here.
FY pushing back with the psyche headband, not good enough, nothing to say.
Being run down, activates the BKB, echoes same turnaround, kills Penetra, takes away the Aegis.
But he gets attacked by damage, good winners, Kers. More damage coming in.
No, nothing to say he's able to blink away.
He's good for now.
A slight bit of recovery.
Still terrible for extreme gaming,
but at least they get that aegis and nothing to say doesn't die.
That was liquid naked.
Something I had nothing there.
That should have been Roshan going the XG's way,
putting an aegis on this clean set as a aegis that
could potentially go high ground.
And now you're left wondering, like,
what the hell just happened in this fight?
How does it go so wrong?
And now this Centaur build is coming alive a little bit.
He did some solid work there, look at that DPS, 8600.
Yeah, I feel like this little window where he doesn't have shard is like kind of awkward,
but now every item after this is going to be heavy, heavy, heavy impact.
The shard is incredibly good, now when he gets overwhelming, blink, it's a nuke that is going off.
Well, he scales in.
He absolutely scales in this game.
There's no doubt about that, and it's just a...
It's one of those things, you don't have the shard for that fight going high ground,
you lose that fight, if you lose Roche there, this build's going to look a lot worse.
But now that you salvaged it, you took Aegis away from him, you have a lot more time to farm and scale up here, pushing toward 25 talent as well.
I think you got over that rough patch.
Yeah, if he gets the Retaliate Aura, I mean that's one of the things.
Clint doesn't very naturally build Lifesteal early on.
He's so reliant on his deathback, so that constant bit of damage for every hero that he hits is not going to feel good.
He's trying to build up a BKB right now on Aume, then go back for the Bloodthorn.
Definitely needs at least another survivability item in this game.
I don't think you can itemize pure damage here, you're all dead.
Wyvern can only bail you out of so much.
Nothing to say, he didn't go to the refresher, he got an octarene for just more spam of these
spells, but now he will try and build a refresher.
There I need theirs still, no matter how far ahead Liquid gets though, and they're obviously
only just now getting a net worthly, very small one.
They stream gaming pretty much always at the potential to put him in the dirt.
I like their timing right now though, they hit 25 on Mikkei.
First 25 in this game, that is a beast of a talent there with the Shadow Racer Plus attack damage.
He's got so much DPS in the fight, the liquid can set it up for him.
Nice pick off here, stream gaming setting up on high grounds.
Boxy trying to clear the way.
And now with the numbers advanced, they push out.
Boxy has been a huge hindrance to their initiation, to their team fight.
So him being out of the equation is actually pretty big.
And they'll get the additional kill on Tofu.
Another minor actor down, but Liquid's still up with all their cores.
Support solidarity.
Yes. Where one go, all go.
Sorry.
Yeah, I hate to say it all, I don't think you do, but go ahead.
No, I really hate it.
You don't know what I'm saying.
I really hate it, but I think this clockwork needs shard right now.
If there were ever a game where it's jetpack.
I think this is the jetpacking, because I think you just have to be as disruptive as possible.
Absolutely.
Being able to blink in cogs, fly away quickly, reset, get another round of disruptive spells
off.
It almost sounds like it's not one of the worst shards in the game.
of the worst shards in the game. I'm being convinced. You know what I mean? He made it
look really good. Okay, okay. So me and Insania telling you that Jetpack is amazing made no
impact whatsoever, but Crit. Crit. Yeah, he's slowly converting me. Okay. I'm a semi-believer.
Alright, Falcons, just keep drafting Clockwork for me. Eventually, Avery will see the light.
Basically, I'm saying I think if boxing can get in around the spells survive and get
in another game, fight a beautiful vacuum initiation, that's going to be them all dead,
baby.
Pace is going to take a lot of damage, but he still managed to stamp Pete some distance
away.
He's got the Orc, that's going to take a little bit more, and a blink, not quite up.
Hit him with another Fischer.
They've got him.
They've got a bit of control.
Do they have him?
They've got a bit of damage.
Another bush whack lands.
I mean, there's just constant follow up from this team.
Deoctrine on her shaker.
Once you're in, there's not much of a way out unless you got a BKB.
These vacuums are nasty, man. You cannot get caught in them this game.
Especially with the massive AW on this spell now, I go back to it every time.
The fact that it has a 75 talent, the fact that you're always going to get another 75 from Shiva's.
The AW on these vacuums, it's broken. It's way too broken.
So you pretty much have to start fights on here in terms of your liquid.
liquid. If you just get caught out it's a tough deal. And that's not even bursting the center.
He lifts through it. You're not going to be able to turn that again if you even hear other cores
over there. Power of this teamfight combo lineup. And there's an axe for the dark sea,
or XXS gets to complete this item off the back of that. Another big threat for this SF. That's
the extra scale you want in this matchup. Actually, they're getting to the late game items here.
You had that 25 timing on Micke and you haven't been able to use it for anything yet.
Feels a little sad for him.
I mean you go in there, you triple raise someone with this Daelus, they're probably just gone.
But the tankier a true game you get, the harder it's going to be to find these little connections.
BKB, done for all me.
Pendulum online, he's a tanky boy now.
Yeah, I was going to say, when you talk about the tank, then Pendulum, a tier 4 item.
There are two tier 4 items that are so clearly broken.
And it's pendulum and it's
It's the other one that dark seer has conjures catalyst. We'll see if earth shaker didn't not get it
Well, hold on now that you gotta keep bubble in the conversation. It's not yeah bubble got nerfed a little bit
But did it also? I don't think any I don't think anything's
Broken if it takes you to extending the game for another out there. It's probably sure
Be careful there, Liquid.
You never know when XXS is going to jump in with his Giga vacuum.
to potentially double Echo Slam. Now you have to respect their refresher on it.
And they have to go up line, hit the Shevas, try to fight these heroes.
Doesn't really see the vacuum opportunity, holds it for now.
Centaur goes in, Ace, Aame, he's gonna back away.
Ooh, that's taken a lot of damage though. Hit him with the hookshot from behind.
Where did Boxie come from?
Can he get inside the Cogs 2? Up in one more second.
He's digging on top of it before his staff separates Aame.
Mckay got put inside of the wall and he's trying to deal with his own illusion.
He'll clear it out. No problem, he got that done.
Ex-Noma, he'll be run down by Nisha. And Ace, it's still on top of Aume! Aume has no way out, he's dead as well!
The mobility of this lineup between Ace just being a wrecking ball that runs into Xtreme and Nisha,
playing the outskirts, constantly able to catch up with this agatom scepter. They just do not let Aume escape.
So close for an extra kill. But either way, they got the big kill. Aume is out of here, which means all the damage is gone
from extreme gaming and they can take some objectives.
Just can't stand their ground.
Once the team fight starts to collapse,
Liquid do an amazing job not clumping anywhere.
There was no clear vacuum combo at any point in that fight.
And that is the exact type of fight they want.
They want the Ember going in deep with the axe.
They want Synth out running at somebody else.
Clockwork is disrupting.
Great positioning from Box.
He did so much work to bait the initial go.
Reset.
Find another initiation on the clink as you're trying to retreat.
Make a just gets to lay in some damage.
That's the type of formation you want here if you're liquid.
Multiple points of attack, a lot of chaos, not a single target for XG to kind of...
Okay, we're gonna go on this guy and bait Liquid in.
Look at AC's positioning himself to chip away at these tier 4s saying,
you know, you guys know there's another fight like this, we might go throw.
Make success! Echo slam off the vacuum!
Micky is gone and that's a refresher!
What a combo from Extreme!
they didn't need on me at all they can take that center again and the winners
cursed up in two TPs to collect two more kills you cannot mess with the
positioning here extreme gaming have one of the deadliest team fight combos in
the game and they put it together without their carry to stop the assault on
their base their barracks both go down to nothing but stay alive sick
execution there. No BKBs go off, no way to bail you out of this situation. It was
perfectly timed. You have BKB Satanic on Mickey. He's probably thinking there's no
way I die here unless Earthshaker has some other plans. Even get the two-man
curse on the back side. Beautiful execution from Extreme Gaming. The fights
have gone better when Abba's dead. No way around it. And part of it I think is
liquid. They're a little asleep at the wheel there, right? Like that is not...
The hook shot to stop was it up if so like or if not like should you be making that push in the first place?
I just think you have to instantly be ready for that blink in almost got Nisha there one lane of barracks turns to two
You lost heroes. You didn't have buybacks and Aume came up shortly after they won that fight. I mean, it's the perfect opportunity
Clink's is gonna take two lanes of barracks
We'll probably back up after that because Roshan has the potential to be up
Boxie pulled the mid-wave, they'll kick back Dorian no matter what.
What a teamfight went for them though.
This game was starting to look scary with how fat this Shadowfiend is, but now you have a hex on hoodwink, you have 25s coming out soon.
You also want to fight like that?
It's gonna give you time for this refresher to come back up, because they were dead for so long you took their base.
It's already only 25 seconds here.
Or NTS.
See if this Aegis goes their way after fighting so long.
So hard for a boxy.
For the poach shot initiation boxy is not going to get this opening.
It gets extreme. They swarm the area.
Making sure there's many bodies as possible to stop.
That's our fresher shark roach too, right?
Yeah. You got...
Cheen's banner.
But you could potentially give this to the Darkseer
if you really just want to ruin Liquid's day in a teamfight.
He's got an empty slot for it.
Drops his boots because...
I wouldn't mind it. Double wall, double back is incredibly nasty.
The second Micky does not have BKB in this game, he will just get evaporated.
So, poses a lot of threat here.
It's beginning to feel like Liquid always have to make the initiation.
If they give the opportunity for Extreme to make the jump,
I mean, frankly, they just don't have the builds to stop it.
If you had BKB aggs on Centaur, I think it's a different story.
Right? Even when he gets aggs, it's like, what's the point?
There are too many stuns, AUE stuns to stop you.
You have to get BKB as well to ensure you can actually use the axe.
So he thought about it, like, now he's gone,
okay, I'm back to the overwhelming blank.
The biggest issue is it's not that easy to convert
on your disable here.
If you go in with the Ember, you go in with the clockwork.
Your damage followup is either the SF,
or I guess Senn-Tar, you know, how Ace is playing him.
But if you go in and you all focus the same target
and you clump, you get punished.
So you kind of have to send multiple groups of heroes
different targets in these teamfights and just make it chaotic or let the ember create space
but you really have to watch your spacing and this is where the wyverns annoying in this game
it's not that the curse is going to kill you it's what happens after you get caught in the curse
so you're looking for x nova you're looking for nts those are the two big heroes you want to find
at the start of the fight or at least get vision on so that mccake can go in with confidence that
he's not going to get wombo calm but if he gets vacuumed but he still has items up it's fine if
If he gets vacuumed in the stuns, as we saw in that base push, it's fight over.
And it did end up passing that refresher shard to XXS, so...
You can't call it anything here. It's just gonna be one more combo for days.
Yeah, I don't know if...
Because the AWE of the vacuum is so big, like, do you really want to...
Be waiting on your high ground? I feel like the triangle position is maybe the best spot to be XXS.
He gets the scan and only hits the Ecclesleim on one day.
Tofu! Yeah, he answers. Easily deals with that one.
Got off a really good maledict.
And Nisha is in prime position to chase down heroes now.
Had to use that combination.
Nice backing wall though.
That holds back much of Liquid.
It means that Mica has to deal with his illusion.
It's only Nisha who can get this chase,
but it does manage to get NTS in the end.
Now he's gonna go after the support.
See if they can pick up.
He won all of the game.
Yeah, he just can't deal with Ace.
That's gonna be one life down.
Scythe device gets used with the illusion,
where an odd SF, SF is gonna be in some trouble.
He's in trouble at Satanic help keeping him alive enough life steal. He forces Aume to be out instead
Extreme gaming trying to go over the turnaround, but now it's back to retreat full retreat from them X Nova
No, the winners curse doesn't save him X6S has to get away from the death ward miss poke shot on the side buybacks
Gonna be used extreme gaming resetting here because they have a fresh round of spells if they want it
Don't forget about those refreshers. They bought NTS and you couldn't find anything still holding the refresher
There's just no opening they use their fresher shot on the dark seer as well
That's the type of fight look we're looking for very chaotic multiple points of contact
Nobody's able to burst this SF down. Well, I mean what was that jump though? I mean you hit one man back
You know that's why excess has he's the one who creates the vision
But what about NTS echo slam on a witch doctor? Yeah, I'm not sure what he sees here
He definitely is not seeing what we're seeing. He definitely didn't see he on this
That's for sure because even if you kill doctor there's a hero with five that there's just no way sacrifice in your position
Well, again on a target that's different from what the darks here went on
That's what's creating multiple points of entry here for liquid. He's kind of gifting him that
You have to buy back supports that was the misto shot right from boxy that was reaction
I was like what was there to be sad about that team fight again
They did buy both supports and that doesn't mean a lot of your shirt like this clockwork
It's not one of those games where you see some crazy single-play from the clock, but
him just existing in the fight is very annoying for extreme gaming.
Extreme gaming, a bit of a setback, but I mean it's a major setback to be sure, but they
can still get back on course, they're still up in net worth, they're still up two lanes
of barracks, they still have all this team fight potential, none of it has gone away.
It's really up to Liquid to keep, you know, making sure they never mess up their position.
Nice opening here maybe.
FY.
Quick little kill and Aume!
Hit by the scum!
What a vacuum boat!
Hits three!
Hitter curse onto Illusion.
That one doesn't really matter.
Still Aume's in trouble.
These Adelus hit the Adelus hit!
It finished him off!
He dies!
Where's the turnaround?
Is there any regroup here for XG?
Another fight where...
Who are you focusing and how do you get this Klingson fall?
Yeah, why is Aume the second person in the fight?
and not one of your two stunning initiators.
Liquid just touching them off guard,
just running at them.
This Ember is starting to do a lot of work
in this game, becoming a big problem.
That's right, Misha, Cogs, all they have to do
is keep X, XS, keep damage on him,
make sure he can't get a blink away.
He has it.
He hit the hook shot on the slighted Ember spirit.
Instead of X, XS, there's no way how.
Get him out here?
X, XS actually has a chance to be able to get away.
They can follow the smoke cloud,
but I mean, even if he dies at this point,
This is time! You had 55 seconds on Amé.
Yeah, you lost a lot of window to get some building damage or get the lanes in.
Blink deep, you're away.
The liquid, they're gonna get practically nothing for this.
Big win for X6S here.
As you will salvage, and otherwise disaster situation for Extreme Union.
I feel like that's been DMO this game. The fights have just been awkward, even the ones they win.
Unless you get that big wombo combo, it's looked real strange in terms of what are you trying to accomplish here.
And that Wombo combo is going to be harder and harder to hit every single time your blink daggers are put on cooldown.
And Nisha is trying to get a Shevas, which with Amber's spirit, you know, it's a lot different when you have the mobility of both red nymphs and Slyte, the Shevas just hits the entire area.
He's an issue. He's just going in and there's no real casual spell you can throw in him unless F.Y. can connect with Hex or the Bushwack here.
Yeah, they have to stun him and nullify her.
Another great catch from BoxingF, and Fly just keeps on trying to probe the areas here, and he's met with death.
Level 20 Witch Doctor got 1% target max health Voodoo Restoration, so Voodoo Restoration is actually back to doing something again.
Pretty nice on this, what is it, 6000 HP center on it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
An extra heart for him, as if he needed it?
I mean, every single double-edged gives him like 30 strength or something.
I like these A on this as well. I think this is a great A on this game for Liquid.
It's not just about the combo break, it's the...
It's the status resistance.
It's a really annoying item for the Winner's Curse to be thrown out on.
We've seen a couple of this game where Ex-Nova gets like two or three heroes,
but you threw it on a status-resist target from the disc wearing off,
and it lasts for half a second.
Yeah. And you're like, uh, okay. I mean, that was my impact.
Very hard to land some good curses here if he has to be the one starting it.
I think liquid are finding solutions here in the late game.
It's not looking too rough for him anymore.
It's all about, I mean, so much of late game pro Dota, right?
It is about theory crafting and itemization.
You have to play out the team fights in your mind and say, okay,
there are so many items in Dota two, right?
There is an answer somewhere in this shot.
Or an answer in terms of how you take the fight.
I think that's what separates, for example, Falcons
from a lot of teams here.
They're a lag team, but it's very coordinated,
very designed to understand when to commit
and when not to over commit.
And I think that's something
that the next year are gonna have to pull out here.
I don't think you can just full send it on the first vacuum
or expect it to necessarily land, right?
If you catch two or three heroes in the vacuum, sure.
You go in with the shaker.
But if that success goes in, you catch just one or two
like there's a witch doctor standing in front of you, you have to be patient.
You can't just throw the whole sink at him. You have to let the fight develop,
keep your formation, and maybe try and bait Liquid into you.
We just haven't seen that happen yet.
Liquid very disciplined in this game.
Speaking of discipline, you're going to need buyback discipline in this game.
Make sure you always have buyback and no one to pull the trigger on it.
That's one of all the extreme positions right now.
It's still two minutes on buyback for nothing to say.
While Liquid are maintaining 3 buybacks on their course.
SF is going to buy an ag sink here while still holding buyback.
He had 9000 gold.
He goes off and goes after as well.
Lincoln immediately found nothing to say.
That was Boxe's target.
Stopped the initiation.
They still managed to hit it vacuum though.
Vicky is going to deal with his illusions.
But the fight is still split up.
Ami is so far out here.
Nisha's just sticking on to him like glue. They're going to cold embrace him, but now that just means the SF is slowly making his way, and he's going to provide the damage that will kill Armin. Nothing he can do about that one. Nisha's just a nuisance, man.
Again, what do you throw into December? The deal with him is he's just corralious. He's out of the fight.
And he's good to go. It's not that matters. Too many heroes are around here. Nothing is going to stop Ex-Nobus, or everything is going to stop Ex-Nobus. Blink, dagger.
And where did the big spells go? There was no multi-hero vacuum that kind of
stabilized the fight. It was another Echo Slam on a single witch doctor target.
Just to try and salvage something. There's just no clear focus. Great. Great
spell casting for the liquid support scan. I mean, they have a lot of deaths, but
that's the nature of this one, right? You have to go in and just create some space,
creates some chaos wasted so much time even the uh the barrage the the straight
serenero plus I think some of the skeleton walk went on to the witch
doctor as he pumped the shard yeah there's like two or three spells from
all that he commits to trying to get to the witch doctor and dodged all of it
here's losing value there it's like all these little exchanges are just not
favorable for you and this is gonna be an agent going into midgay's hands is a
a massive problem in this game.
Refresher's hard for Liquid, we'll see who opts to take it here, not as good for their lineup, but...
No doubt.
It'll be nice for the...
I could say double Stamp Heap, potentially.
I mean, just give it to Embers, give it to the remnants.
Remnants are too good here.
And it's very easy for him to slot it in as a 7-linem.
I will say...
I'll put it in.
Going high ground is a very different piece, this game, for Liquid.
Yeah, Liquid's been in this position before, and then they throw it away on the mid lane push.
So I do wonder what they...
I would love to hear their comps right now, just like,
Do we go high ground? How do we hit high ground?
Because last time it was like, it wasn't the worst position from Liquid,
it was the two-man vacuum between Centaur and SF,
but it was more than enough with the all-in damage from Earthshaker double echo.
So, the biggest difference is you can't create that sort of chaotic fight
where multiple people are getting attacked when you're going into XG's high ground.
They will always have a formation that can cover each other and kind of back up into the base.
Yeah.
Like, okay, let's say you try and dive in super deep with the Ember like we've seen every fight.
Well, you're just going into your force, you're going into the fountain. There's a cap here.
There's a limit you're gonna go up against and...
Then the fight will collapse, so...
Yeah.
I feel like there'd be many teams, Falcons, 1W, off the top of my head who would almost say like,
maybe we don't hate high ground.
Just farm for 50k net worthly.
Yeah.
It's an option.
You also just drop in or put ace here. Yeah. Yeah, there is the retaliating kill the tier 3
They are gonna try to kill him!
Requested on Echo Sam, holding it down to a bad half.
Hold vacuum with the vacuum. They still have a chance though with another Fischer holding him in a place.
Ace is almost dead, but he's not quite.
They used everything, man.
They used double Echo, clinked him with all of his damage.
They popped wall vacuum and it wasn't enough.
Meanwhile, you had Micae. Micae's just got three clearance.
Well, they just said, okay, go ahead, Mickey. Take the entire base if you want, I guess.
They tried to all of them and it didn't succeed.
There's also an argument even if you've got them and he buys. You're still in this situation.
Yeah, it's still a position where Mickey is like, okay, I have two lives
and you don't have multiple ultimates that were the big threat to me.
This guy needs multiple lanes for sure.
Do you want to fly back on the shaker?
You're missing a lot of spells.
There is that low cooldown on the wall, so they'll get this later, but for the next one, they'll least have wall up.
And another 30 seconds until Ekoslam is back up if NTS feels pressured to buy.
Which, if I'm liquid, I'm definitely trying to get that out of them.
I think you have to go past the center here if you're actually-
I mean, the center's gonna stay inside the base, and they see that it's an opportunity to try and go all in a second time.
And Kleeps does do enough damage.
I thought it got absolutely chunked by the Bloodthorne, yeah.
Yeah, there was a Bloodthorne, there was no Dispel this time around.
Something that Ace was, you know, he was still not paying before, it's why he built up the Lotus in the first place.
Surprised he didn't get the Lotus, now, under damage.
Some serious change done, he got hexed into Pushwack and a Punch into Vacuum into Aftershock, yeah.
Throw it, throw it all, and I'm guaranteed that that Bloodthorne will proc.
Was there no other Dispel available for, look, I guess not, right? They don't have another Lotus orb.
Yeah, that might be something that the game goes late, not supports get something, F.Y.
Hook shot at Foxy, and he's jumped pretty far out here, buying himself.
I'll throw away a gem there.
Yeah, that... what? Huh?
Just feeling himself, you know?
I need to... he's feeling far too much of himself, that is for sure.
Well, Liquid throw a little bit away on that high ground push, they do get two lanes.
It's not unsuccessful by any means.
But the buybacks are revitalized here for everybody in the game, except the shaker who committed to turn that set to our kill.
It is Silver Edge. I saw a demon edge picked up and I thought for a second there, Mikkei was saying it's divine time.
It completes the Silver Edge. Will extreme go straight to the high ground to get these buybacks to be used?
This is a risky push.
It is very risky. Aame makes it a little bit easier with the axe.
Burning army, point blank requiem though!
They were prepared for that one and all of it doesn't use the BKB fasteners!
It's got a five.
They're gonna play back now. Beautiful bush, why catching the two of them.
Echo Sam's gonna be put to use here, but they really do much damage.
They can still keep Nero's here. The two sports will die.
The Emberspirit has free reign to get out.
No, tofu's not dead yet. Young Desco Sector, they actually get some away.
Surprisingly enough, that is a dieback on Boxy.
So it is actually liquid in a four versus five.
They might push with this, given how annoying the clockwork's been, even without the AME buy.
How did AME let that happen to? I mean, it's a level 30 SF with Kaya, Yasha Kaya, so he had the cast speed reduction, but still.
It's a lot of magic burst. Maybe you're thinking he gets cursed there and you can survive and turn it around.
Just too much overwhelming damage.
See, liquids are up on the side. They are ready for XG to commit.
Real day.
Got the site initiation on the Embers spirit, a two-man vacuum on the side.
If they can kill the Ember, well, the others are held in place.
X-XS takes huge chunks of damage.
Cold-Braised Winner's Curse trying to bail out.
That should kill him.
Tofu is definitely going to die to this Winner's Curse, though.
That's a dieback on the two supports, so now it's a five versus three.
They're going to buy the Darkseer. You have to send it here.
These supports have been way too annoying in this game.
There's no crown.
Mikay.
He's trying to make something happen.
They do have a gem on the hoodwink.
XXS trying to keep him honest here, blinks in, sheevahs, Rax are being assaulted here,
Megas is not the end of the game. They may get it, Emberspirit spots the winner,
Wyver, he's gonna jump in, here comes that wreckwhip, oh they got off the BKB this time around,
and the world's the difference it makes, no damage done to the clink, they're gonna deal with the banner,
the Emberspirit, they echo him off the banner, they're gonna refresh, they can keep him down,
yeah that's Miggay dead, and Ace, he's gonna take a lot of damage, try to crawl his way out of here,
But the bush wax and the vacuum is constantly pulling in the heroes.
There is no way out.
Liquid, they have buybacks on the Ember and the Centaur.
It's gonna be Megas.
But extreme note, that's not the end of the game.
They pushed the tier 4s, get these buybacks out of them.
What did they do when the buybacks are used though?
Are they gonna keep it going?
You have to full send it here, he's still in that goal.
Hookshot makes the initiation.
And here comes the TP right behind Ame.
Ame's in a bad spot, instantly hits the hero's spot.
Three heroes, control them with the vacuum!
Control them!
It breaks it through, but Ami still dies.
The damage.
The damage is gone now for Extreme.
Two minutes dead with no buyback.
Sixty minute items are up.
There are so many options to be played here.
Liquid though.
First things first.
Get as many heroes as you can.
Try and get some more Extreme Gaming pickoffs.
Hookshot on the creeps.
That's gonna whiff.
And it looks like the rest of Extreme are away.
So Boxy and Ace couldn't find anything else.
What do you do as Liquid here?
You're probably not strong enough to just go to the high ground.
This looks like they're just going to have to play for tier 5's.
You have to just get the lanes out, try and de-word, get your neutral items.
It's almost fortunate in a way that the one core that died back there was the Ember,
because that killed the chase potential for Liquid.
You weren't able to clean up any heroes at the tail end of this.
And he died because his Aon got popped very early in this fight.
Huge echoslam find from Entias. These are not vacuum setups.
These are just him going in, finding the connection.
Those final shots that followed him after he rendered it, he had no slice to destroy.
He's just running out of spells and again, here, he just gets shamed up.
No aim at this to pop, he gets bloodthorned by Ana, his last will before he dies.
He's like, I'll take you with me, brother. I will bloodthorn you.
Propeller's hard, I stab at the... Liquid are actually gonna have some attention put to this final hit of Barus.
Maybe they can get the mages.
There's a cliff here.
Ace is saying I can do it.
Everybody else is going to play to the back now, extreme gaming.
They can play, they can make this an even game.
They can say, okay, you get the mages, or maybe we can just stall for 30 seconds, but...
They got, they got doubled. Look at the dead. That's pretty nice in this situation.
Maybe not the optimal item for the heroes, but it's going to do some work here, installing up this push.
There's 70 Necrobooks down mid right now. This is a lot of base pressure on Liquid,
You just can't put the SF up here and take the buildings quickly.
Yep.
It's not going to be fast enough and you're going to get caught.
Awkward position.
Fisher.
They're going to pop the stampede but the vacuum is there.
Pull him back in and I think Tofu is just going to tell Ace to run.
Wait, no.
Boxing actually goes back in.
Ace is still holding around.
I mean, Mickey is not here so.
Double echo for the doctor.
Yeah, that is what hell is a convenient talk.
It was perfectly...
We have the crawlers!
They managed to stop Ace's initiation with the overwhelming blink.
he was gonna go after enough to say, Niki was just about to join them. Here comes Ame though.
Hooks Niki, got their backwimped, high ground, he hits a lot of heroes with that one. The
winners' curse just saw him up though and it pulled in Ace. Now they're gonna be coming up,
hook shot though, it stops the follow-up stuns out from the Earthshaker. They kill,
another vacuum goes up, refresher, pop by X6, trying to get up the wall. He needs the wall,
he needs the vacuum, he needs it now and it gets up towards the end, but there's no follow-through.
Mickey, he kills XXS and he's able to get away from these solutions and we are back to a position where Liquid have the advantage,
but they are having to battle through Mega Creeps to take advantage of this.
At least Boots of Travel to, in Mickey's back pocket, he can clear some creeps and join a fight if you want to look for something here.
You got some big buybacks out of XG.
There's also tier 5s for every single one of these heroes.
Nicky available, so yeah, he needs
They need a little bit more here in terms of the control
Like these heroes are cutting them out a little bit too much
His fights are getting weed chaotic and if you just run into a fight like that with stitching tool on this clink
You're gonna get absolutely shredded like he is now the highest DPS hero in this game a
Lot of that dance for liquid has come from some sick positioning from the shadow feet
Like these Requiem jumps have been game salvaging. The one on the base defense, the one there, you're picking up some big kills on the back of the fight.
But it still feels like Ember is the most important piece of the puzzle here. If Nisha goes down, XG can kite the fights out a lot more. If Nisha's up, you're not kiting the fight.
You're getting hook shot, you're getting Remnant Chain.
And we saw the time that he died, it was because he didn't have those remnants.
If he gets 30, remnant recharge, restore time, it just becomes too hard to deal with it.
He jumps to the back line, he has, you know, a couple of remnants he expends there to threaten
the winter wiper and to try and kill the hook-wank.
There's a Roche on the field by the way.
Look, they did not feel comfortable forcing it, even without the darts here.
Pretty interesting here, they might have had a moment to do that.
Again, how much does Roche matter at this point in the game, whenever he's six-slotted?
Yeah, he's a little less enticing.
Yeah, Aegis is not the best.
I think it's honestly nice for Aume still, just because he has been focused so heavily.
It buys time for your teamfight combo to maybe land, you know, and something.
He's looking at some finishing items here.
Scotty, swap out the Treads, pick up a Scotty.
That'll make him significantly tankier. That'll pull him over 4,000 HP. Does that matter though when SF
If you catch the clings SF is doing like 1,500 damage crits
So not really. Yeah, I don't think it's saving you in that situation
Again, maybe it buys you time to get the combo off like one more hit
I mean it seems to the multi shot. The slow is very effective
True the biggest I think the biggest thing you can do is all means game is just get in the fight set up your army
They let it go to work.
Oh, yeah.
And then even if you die, you're still doing so much damage with this Digium pick up.
But man, the Ghost Scepters have been annoying.
The Aeondists have been annoying.
The Switcheroo from the Witch Doctor.
It's so hard to kill these two liquid supports.
Even with nullifier hexes, it just doesn't...
I guess there's Stampede on top of it, too.
There's a lot of Interrupt here.
It's almost level 25 on the Witch Doctor.
I don't think that's worth damage.
I don't think so.
Is too convincing for me here?
Again, so many AWP stuns.
Yeah, you're not playing that style of game.
I don't know if you're channeling anything here.
Tofu's mostly been playing to off of Aon Disco Scepter,
Blinken with Booter Restoration, and Keep Centaur alive.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
and keep Centaur alive.
Feel like that's what I've seen him do
in most of these fights.
The cast balances are also a little extra way clear,
which you just lost a tier four to Necro, but still.
And RoXaN is gonna be throwing some cogs
into the mix, actually kicks the clinks out of the pit.
I mean, RoXaN is important more so
just because it's an opportunity.
It's some sort of crazy team fight.
Brick a line out of the burning army.
Sheave is trying to keep these heroes back,
not let them go inside the pit where he's perfect timing.
Could he grab the Aegis? No, it's still on the ground!
Hey, Ame is almost dead! Finally the Aegis get dropped up and they go for the grab and Ame gets it, sure!
But what a stun there from Ace! Knocking up somebody here, it was Mikkei.
Finally joins in with his spots too, and they've got Ame stuck inside the pit.
He's currently trying to grab items. He pots a refresher shard.
Meanwhile, the wrapping are up on the side. They spotted X-Nova.
He's going to go try and kill X-Nova. Didn't finish Moth, didn't get a crit.
Godwinner's curse held in place by the Blushwack. Meanwhile, inside the pit, there is still Ame.
Still being held in place, he finally lost his ages.
He's about to kill, now trying to get up the SF is dead, and Aimee's almost back into play.
And the December Spirit is almost dead, quick blow refresher.
Now, the Cogs try to get these heroes back, but it's not good.
Aimee's just doing too much damage, even the Centaur is dying to him and they don't have buybacks on these heroes.
Ace fighting for his life with the Bloodthorn will burst him down in the end.
Lugra is trying to push it too much.
Buyback on one, 18 seconds until the other two can come back into play.
Oh look at the Throne HP, it took so much damage there, you still have your Glyph.
So close on those two.
Backflip and a pushback, grab the vacuum up three, and the combo once again, Aumei, and the rest of Extreme will pull up, they can out-fight you and take your throne afterwards.
What a late game performance from Extreme Gaming, that has been their wheelhouse.
When it works, it works well, they draft it for it, they play for it.
Some missteps along the way, some sick plays from Liquid.
But at some point the overwhelming AHAE is just inevitable.
You can just park these clinks in the pit and like,
nobody wants to man fight and then if you clunk,
you get punished.
You're trying to pick off the backside of the fight.
I always think liquid and over-performing
a lot of those teamfights,
because they're just so chaotic.
It's very hard to continue to plow through all these big holes
that keep track of it and keep track of who has an A on this.
Who's checking this air shaker on the backside,
not getting vacuumed, not getting cursed.
It's a lot to think about.
They really isolated these clinks a lot of times
and gave themselves an openings.
It's just so hard to go high ground in that game.
That is the ultimate problem they ran into.
Every time they went high ground or they're trying to siege, you can put the center up there.
But you're too afraid to put anyone else, and the one time they did, they got mega punished for it.
Yeah, man, part of the strength of this line-up for XG is they're happy scaling from a defensive standpoint.
Very close game down the stretch there.
If you get a couple more Roshans, you get a couple more kills, those buybacks were coming up.
That last team fight can look a lot different, but ultimately, it will go XG's way.
I guess they're feeling pretty good about the the game plan coming together. Yeah, I guess it comes together in the end
I mean we taught we start the story of this series was that these are two teams that are not in peak form right now
And then trying to get there and I think you saw that play out of the game because I mean it was hella entertaining
That's for sure. Oh, it grows on both sides some some sloppy misplay some sick ass plays at the same time
I mean we we saw the full camping of the best of liquid and the worst of extreme and the best of
of extreme of the worst of liquid at times and
Results one of the hell of a game one. Just one of those sloppy games
If you look at the end games or scorescript, I feel like Ame got absolutely decimated every fight
But he still ends this game with 120,000 hero damage double mickings
It did not feel like he doubled the case damage in that game
I mean part of that's like bloodthorn prox and the burning armor and stiginous like yeah, that's centaur
takes up, yeah, healthy boost of damage, that's definitely tanked some DPS here, he received
240,000, the next highest was like 100, so that built paid off for Ace, he just couldn't
close it out here and man, sick vacuums from X-XS, I think at some point it became almost
impossible to get the vacuums, because Liquid were just so spread out, yeah, they were fighting
over three different screens, exactly, it's like how do you get a club in this game, it's
almost impossible. He still found some sick openings and man what a game one.
Excited to see what this seems bring for game two and you got to respect this
Ember spirit. Yeah you beat it but man you beat it fairly. Yeah maybe you got to
put some respect on this nothing to say or shaker as the response as extreme
gaming take game one. What an absolute treat we get for our first game of the
day over an hour long here between two liquid and extreme gaming with a lot of
coming out on top and me slightly hoping that we'll see the distance here with this
best of three but extreme gaming making a good case for themselves. This game, LaCrosse,
we already ended the draft saying extreme gaming looking very solid with their draft
coming into this. It played out very nice.
Oh absolutely, I mean it wasn't a clean execution by any means but they made all the right
adjustments I would say from the start and you can definitely feel that a lot of work
was put into this kind of a draft, addressing some of the issues that they didn't have in
the early stages of the tournament, but this one, they completely slapped. And I think
Liquid, they did not respect the big AOE, Womb of Comma that they had in this one.
Yeah, they did not.
I mean, the big stage, you know, in elimination games, Shaker comes. It's always the case.
It's August. It's July.
It's that time of the year, you know, he's on vacation the entire year, and then July,
August takes in and Shaker's here, as usual. You know, you get the big Acozland vacuums
It was an incredible game, I think, like so many crazy plays on both sides.
Like, this was one of the most entertaining games I've watched, I think, all tournaments so far,
and we're just getting started with the survival stage.
The numbers are wild.
240,000 damage taken, it was said by the casters, we don't say it here by Ace.
I don't think I've ever seen such a number.
It feels broken.
Like, the second heart does feel like it's broken,
and also just the casual plate mount that's gonna get in through, like,
these early stages of the game or like mid-game stages of the game, depending what we're talking about.
And it also feels like I was checking the numbers. He was healing for 250, 260 per second without
witch doctor, because witch doctor also had level 20 down. This is 50 base heal plus 1% of his max HP,
which is 60. He had 6,000 damage. So he's healing pretty much for 400 per second almost.
They broke the game with some of these items and numbers and damage dealt by army. Also like
120k damage on these clings, it's absolutely crazy, these are some very late game numbers.
They really are, and this game was very back and forth. What do we think was the deciding factor
in the end that made Xtreme come out on top? I think they were focusing supports heavily,
seeing that every single time they want to take them out, there was one fight where they
initiated like he echo slammed him twice like it's like a on this go scepter this is very annoying
shard i'm just gonna go for him like i'm really sick of this witch doctor i'm really sick of the
other support as well making sure that we are taking a bit of a longer fight the clockwork how
many times we've seen boxy initiate onto army because like he felt like even through the bkb like
we're talking about the later stages of the game with the refreshers and everything you only have
one bkb and this is why like some of these late game fights are so chaotic you're seeing good
a good amount of A on this as well being picked up, so you have that extra bit of protection
that you need.
And it's also like in late game, if you think about Liquid's lineup and their heroes, they
kind of have one round of fighting in them and they can afford having very long and drawn-out
fights.
Like this Clint, you know, in and out and he has the skeletons and you know, Darkseer
spells coming back off cooldown, same with shakers.
Whereas for instance, this SF, once he clicked BKB and ulti essentially, he's very susceptible
And then the same can be said with Ember when the E and S is on cooldown because they have so many stuns and so much luck down for him.
So I think the late game was a little bit more favorable for Xtreme and obviously it came down to play, right?
But I think both teams had like amazing sequences, both in early and late game.
Yeah, let's go over the flow of the game a little bit because this game started with a very even score in terms of the net worth.
We had a slight lead for Team Liquid, but it was actually extreme.
That made most moves in the early stages of the game.
And Lacoste, you picked out a couple of those.
Yeah, we wanted to see NTS play with the two supports.
We wanted to see them focus slightly more on the mid.
And this is exactly what they did.
This is the time where NTS, like, prior to four minutes,
both of the support said, also, because X-XS at the time, he was jungling.
He, like, this is the rotation that you kind of don't expect him to come.
like he's here and I'm making sure like what the hell man like this is not supposed to happen
we should not have three heroes in the mid lane and the other clips are also going to be showing
a pretty similar like rotations coming out from you know playing around NTS making sure that he's
having a good time and that they are bringing in numbers again tofu slightly like one second too
late maybe to disengagement but also getting another kill and also just making sure that
every single time just bring the numbers make sure that NTS is the one controlling the runes
This is not going to result in a kill and I think in this engagement Extreme Gaming wanted to take the trade where they said
You know what?
We're gonna grab a kill a number one more time
Instead they didn't get to kill and they also were probably thinking we're not gonna be able to get the rune because you are playing against the free farm
Shadow fiend who took your tower pretty much and you also have two supports rotating
Even with these two XP runes taken by team liquid they still were not ahead in terms of the XP
So very good thing from Extreme Gaming
These are some of the issues that they definitely needed to fix early on and they did.
Yeah, we wanted them to make moves in their usage.
We talked a lot about that mid lane from both teams for this reason.
It was very cool that Extreme Gaming, they do exactly that,
unfortunately, Misha on the receiving end of that.
And then there were a bunch of moves that Extreme Gaming made and they were good.
And it looked like they were slowly building the momentum up.
They pressured Team Liquid and Team Liquid was just happily farming
and they did get a lot out of the map.
And then at some point, they decide, this is a good time to contest the Aegis.
Yeah, there's like a second portion of the game, which I think was the complete turnaround.
As you can see here with the net worth, Extreme were very much in the lead.
They win the fight, they kill three heroes and they go for Roche.
But you know, unfortunately for them, MTS has not so great idea to walk uphill.
You know, classic thing when you want to make sure nobody's contesting, but
You know, great presence of mind from Mikkei gets to kill the shaker, you know, this is a reminder of like not going for high ground plays when you don't need it.
And essentially this is a 2 vs 5 where both like Mikkei and Ace, they managed to kill three heroes, stop them from roaching and they will actually secure the roach for Team Liquid which will result in a complete change of pace of the game.
or like it went from being completely dominated by Xtreme
and having them pretty much, you know, 8k, 9k gold, 8k, really I guess,
to the game being even and Liquid like bringing it back.
And to me, that's always like the mark of like the greatest players out there.
And you think of Miki, he's, they deliver when the stakes are at the highest.
You know, the pressure is there, they're playing an elimination series against Xtreme.
Two versus five, they somehow clutch it.
You'd love to see it, honestly.
I think you're going to need that from every single player here in the survival stage.
like the players, the big names, the ones that we expect to perform, they're gonna have to clutch it.
Yeah, we want every player to step it up. Throughout last week, we've also been a little critical
of Az's performance, and I think this centaur, Lacoste, he nailed it.
Yeah, it gives me a lot of hope. This is the second time that he did it. The build seems pretty insane.
Like, even though he was fighting into a lane, it's got a hard lane for him.
Like, he's playing with the double melee, but the build, it's working out.
Like, you're always gonna get this helm of the Dominator, making sure you're getting the farm,
You're getting the Stampede Wall of value out of your creep and also just not necessarily being the initiator
He's like yeah, I have a heart and also I have a second heart just in case this one fails
But it did feel amazing especially once you pick up the short the damage it gets pretty ridiculous the slow the tankiness
Everything feels good and definitely think we are gonna be seeing a lot more of this bill
Yeah, and so it does double up to reach it. Yes, basically
And why does that item work that way where nobody had the other item?
I wish I had the answer for that question here.
Valve software at whatisit? Like gmail.com or what was the email? I'm not sure. Feel free.
I mean it looks very good. I'm sure we're going to see it addressed one way or the other.
If you were to change something about the drafts, is there anything you'd say on hindsight,
on hindsight especially if a game goes 60 minutes that hero didn't really deliver the way you wanted
it to and to be honest I'm mostly wondering if the witch doctor lived up to their expectations
coming into the live game. I think the I mean in the late game I think the witch doctor had a lot
in fact because essentially there were lots of sequences where he just got the mad addict and
you could see also liquids communication because all of a sudden they're like target focusing the
hero that got hit by the mad addict because they know there is no way around it you're gonna die
no matter what and it did have a lot of impact in the game. I think the mid game was a little bit
tougher for the witch doctor but it's kind of meant to be like that when you're on the losing
end especially because at the end of the day it's a hero that needs to get close to the action to
cast its spells like whether it's maledict or you know channeling the ulti. It was a tough
witch doctor game which again nobody cares if that's because witch doctor position five you
can't really tell your team guys it was a bad witch doctor game people are gonna be like please
please please let the grown-ups speak here when you talk about the ss and the clings of the world
But it was a tough game, like he's playing versus Urshaker, versus Dorx here, it's really hard to get too close and every time he did he just died from AoE.
So, I do think the hero has a lot of potential and on both teams, I think all the heroes were good and had a lot of impact, honestly.
Like, this was a really high, like, high-caliber game. I think they both played exceptionally well, but eventually it came down to, you know, a few moments of the game.
It could have gone either way until some of the last moments of that game.
It was a very cool game number one of this best of three and we set it at the start now
I'll say it again for both of these teams
Getting eliminated in this spot is a massive disappointment
And one of these two teams will be eliminated at the end of this best of three in this team liquid
But it's one game down
So we're gonna see if they can step it up going into that second game soon before we check in with that second game though
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Hello, I'm here with the XXS of Extreme Gaming.
I know you guys probably felt disappointed in your performance in the group stage,
but you've got Liquid up next. It's a very difficult team. I'm curious how you think you'll fare.
First of all, you may be disappointed in your performance in the game, but your next opponent is...
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You need to go for Harz straight away, or if he's going to be picking up maybe a Lotus,
maybe a Pipe depending on the game.
But after seeing what happened in the previous game, he probably got a little inspired as
well.
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, this hero looks really strong right now.
I think there's also facets of the hero we haven't really seen, such as the Aghanem,
which can really break games sometimes.
It becomes really hard to play versus Centaur Rives, because it's such a reliable save and
it's obviously much more than that.
So many ways to play a hero, honestly, as well as the laning presence, you know, the
farm speed, it's a hero that's pretty hard to stop, honestly.
Like when you factor in, Max returns, Tampede, early Ham of Dumb to pull creep place to himself.
Just a very strong hero.
Like what's good against Centaur, I think, from Liquid's pool is Witch Doctor, so we
could see the same support duo.
Maybe this is something that they don't want to run again, but because I'm trying to think what takes down this 6k HP, you know, like
It's interesting. I don't think it does the job, but what else is there in Dota?
I was thinking like in the previous game, there was no hybrids, Brett, on-clays.
He wanted to pick up Ioskadi as his last item, just to reduce that healing. That's also very good.
But if you want to be dealing more damage for a percent of base damage,
This item is probably the best in the game to have the damage output against 6, 7, 8,000 HP Centaur.
It's 100%. It's one of the best damage output against bags of HP, which essentially is almost everything that Centaur brings to the table.
We'll see the cast being first phase banned. To me, that's quite interesting. I think it was ignored, or am I mistaken with this one in the first game?
You are not mistaken with that one, I'll have a check to be sure, completely ignored.
Interesting, so you know, I mean, dynamics with first pick, second pick, maybe something that,
I mean, I know Miki has grown into being one of the best cast players out there, like he's been
playing it a lot for Team Liquid with a lot of success, so understandable percentage,
they do ban the witch doctor actually, this time around. So same terrain of thought here,
this is like one way to protect the centaur and to also secure his ability to scale into the game.
The hero looked very good, like his healing numbers are through the roof and also making
sure that you have a stable laner, like this is one of the stronger fives and some of what
it's like the zoning tool, the heal, it just feels very good.
I would even compare him to Winterwider because the hero is very obnoxious to play against,
both of them have basically a healing ability and ability that you can't really trade against.
Not the worst against Centaur in a sense like a cog is a really cool tool against Ampid
There is it's really annoying having to stop and hit cogs to get out. So
There it comes the mirror not to be fair though. It's tofu is one of his best heroes
I think he's master T on the hero very famous for it when he was on gaming gladiator playing in position 4
Now he pays position 5 luckily for decoy. I think it's a better fight than it's a fork as it has at least like a
A decent laning presence in the early game, it was banned by Xtreme first phase last game, so they respected Murana.
So yeah, what do we know? If both teams thinks it's a good hero, then they are right and we are wrong.
But would you rather not have the Hootwing? They banned out the Hootwing of course to make it a good hero.
I would rather have anything else than Murana if you ask me. I would take a CM at this point.
This is maybe the chance that Murana gets to prove you're wrong.
Yes, I hope so. I've seen too many games where the hero just does absolutely nothing.
And, you know, we had a little bit of a talk in the green room as well, like what could potentially be maybe the build and the S.O.G.
He had a very interesting idea about, you know, picking up the drums, the treads, picking up the shard, maybe getting it from Tormentor and then start to scale a little bit, getting the Crystallis and maybe a BKB later on because the games are relatively long.
Instead of going for the Aghanim Scepter, I can see like tranquil boots, Aghanim Scepter, Blink Dagger, sometimes it does feel a lot luster and I love this hero.
I feel like the hero might not be the strongest one right now. It's not like, you know a couple of patches ago when Rubik
Yeah, I'm Iran. I was just like
But I do like this I love this support to him
I feel like especially against these combos that are easily broken where you need to relatively heavily commit to go with the clockwork with the
Arrow, Ember Spirit is still available in the pool. I assume that's going to be
the pairing for them because it's relatively good. The backline jumper,
it's a soft catch against the stand feed. Both the support jumper will be like the
play against it. Yeah, it's a good, it's a good spirit game. Like you see the
support duo like Willow and Ringmaster, you think of Ember, you think of Earth
Spirit for that matter, you think of Pock, which has fallen behind in terms of
meta, but you know all these evasive Flashy mid heroes are pretty good, they're gonna be
contested by both teams. The one issue for Liquid though is that Xtreme have an 18 pick
so they could heavily punish it on the lane, so they have to cover certain angles. Alchemists.
Alchemist, Necrofiles, they cover it. That's a strategy I guess coming out. Very interesting.
So the Necro, what's pretty cool with it is that it could go mid or it could go off lane
with the clockwork, like that's the lane that we've seen Falcons run a lot with great
success. We've also seen, so this is like a page out of both Falcons and Nigma's
books, right? Yeah. This could be Necromidth, which will shut down essentially
Ember, Earth Spirit, like we've seen these matchups go really poorly. But not
Snapfires and Lina's potentially that could come out, I feel like these mixed
type of image midlaners are gonna be very good. Also, Necrophos, he is the
counter to Centaur, right? This is the counter because he just melts you all
this HP that you do have. Also, this is a good option in terms of like getting the initiator
or having the second initiator and also the burst damage against Nekro for seeing that
they have no ways of saving this Nekro because supports are really not good at doing so at
least not early on. Very interesting second phase by both teams. I think these are heroes
that we really haven't seen that much come out at least that early in the draft for liquids
and then Sanking to me is the first Sanking I see this tournament. I assume it's a Sanking mid.
It's a NTS classic the matchup against Necrol is pretty rough for sanking
But at the same time that hero is specialized in drawing lanes like you have a sentry
You just if you win the sentry battle just push out the wave you play through stacks anyway
Just like we've seen with the shaker last game. So I wouldn't be too worried
For Xtreme if it came down to that matchup on liquid side or they have this the Miran arc lane
It's it's not the best safe lane. I have to say I think it's pretty weak especially versus centaur
which again is a very dominant offlaner like on the lane I mean so we'll have to
see how it plays out I'm just afraid that liquid space this game compared to
other games is a little bit slower like they have really heroes and again
there's the question of double radiance do you do you just buy it I think you
just go for it you go for it yeah it's too valuable to pass on maybe if you can
find like this speed maybe if you find like an opening for Necro to go for a
a bit of a different item build, but then again you're scaling. If you don't go Radiance,
you can't farm Ancients. It takes extremely long time, even with the Shard, they just
don't die to it.
Is the Pango removed as well?
Was it liquid that banned Sanking in one?
Let me double check them. It was in the second phase, they banned Sanking and Lina.
Okay, so they knew the Sanking was a menace. Interesting.
Because Xtreme hasn't played Sankings so far.
They played against more Rangers than they won.
Oh, okay, I missed these games. I see.
I see. Well, again, it's a bit, it's pretty devastating right now.
Xtreme's teamfight. Like, you think of this Sanking jumping in
with all the AOE that's going to come from the Ringmaster, the Willow, the amount of damage.
Like, I don't think Liquid Heroes can really tank right now.
I have one hero, it's Muerta potentially for them if they want to run it.
For Extreme?
For Extreme, because you have like a lot of the times it's sometimes in the games in Necro could also be okay-ish
if they have enough magic damage and then you just kite through BKB and ulti and she dies to Reaper's side.
But you have Ring Master Box, they also picked Necrofos into Ring Master.
And these are not the heroes that also build into Nullifier.
Like maybe one of them can if it's going to be Double Radiance.
so they assemble it and get it because you're not going to need it.
I mean, it would be a very good pick, the Muerta.
I'm just worried a little bit about the lane because I remember the Falcons game where they actually had exactly the same,
like, Necro clock against Muerta plus one,
and the Muerta just kept getting dove and dove and dove and dove because
quite susceptible.
Like, essentially Necro position three just pushes the lane really hard into you.
So you spend a lot of time under tower,
which is usually something that ranged carries really dislike.
They just go back for the claims instead.
Yeah, looks very strong last game. I don't blame them.
Like, he didn't have the best mid game in a sense.
But besides that, like, the early game was very dominant.
The late game scaling looked great also.
Crazy damage numbers.
Just a very good hero. A nullifier buyer, as mentioned.
Also very good versus Necrol. You're going to want that at some point.
Yeah, are you now happy to get the Necrol on the off-laner?
Would you rather put it mid? Where are you going to put it?
It's not the easiest matchup versus the Klinks. It's really heavy harass, but...
Yeah, good question. I feel like Liquid lack a playmaker.
Playmaker, some Storm, some Puck. Even though the Puck has a small win-rape,
it could still be very good in this game because they're on pretty late. Sure, you have
double initiation, double stun, relatively good follow-up, but I feel like you could potentially
get away with it. I just feel they need something to push through these early stages of the
game. They need a hero that Lockwork and Morona can play with.
Yeah, and they need to be contesting sacks because I see the sinking of sacks, like a
bunch of sacks on the ancients, they need to be able to go there and make space for the
alt really. And I'm just afraid that if they have nitro mid, okay, they go for that. They
go for the dodge too. I mean, it was a very dominant last game. There's a lot of pressure
on what happens mid, like with the lane and with the ability for Nisha to push the issue
because they really need him to open up the map for them.
As a Necro.
As a Necro, yeah.
Just by being annoying.
It's like just by being where they don't want to essentially.
I think of him like he's just pushing the lane,
then randomly running into the triangle,
you know, forcing them to address his presence there.
It's a good pairing with Chalk and Mirana, I have to say.
Necro brings a lot of damage.
He's also front-climbing for these heroes.
Their lineup is cool.
Like, well, again, both lineups are really cool and solid.
a little greedy and slow on liquid side which is not what we're used from them
so maybe like the question mark there yeah I think they wanted to have
somebody that builds into pipe in this game we saw it in the previous game or
ace de Mara X success that pick it up in his darks here because most of the
damage that they have early on is gonna be magical from stanking you're gonna
be afraid of that dark willow some ring master spells are probably gonna go
death route and just try to out sustain the damage because if you go in with
But a lot of these heroes with the Sanking, with the Willow and everything, if you don't
get the kill, I feel like Liquid, they can easily reset with the regeneration coming
through from Alchemist ulti, a couple of heals from Necro and a pipe from Ace.
It could work out really well for Liquid.
It's a good Sanking, though.
I have to say, I see this Necro dorsi line up and I see the Sanking and I feel like that's
the X-Factor.
Like if nothing to say has a good game and he gets to his timings, you know,
it's going to be an agg and he's thinking for sure and he's going to double down on his epicenter.
He can just melt all these heroes.
Like at the end of the day, Alk and Necro are not very high strength game heroes.
They buy art and whatnot like Necro could, but they are very susceptible to sanking aggs,
especially the first like early timing.
Again, the mid game, these heroes are going to die to sanking.
We're gonna find out if nothing to say also this game will get a lot of help in the mid lane like he did a last game
Let's see how game number two
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Alright, game two, Liquid looking for a comeback.
Extreme gaming looking to just put Liquid in the ground and out of this tournament.
Move on to their next opponent.
And who will remind her for everybody the winner of this series has to play it against Team Spirit who looks very good
That is a that's a nice opponent to have waiting for you. You know, yeah, that it's a spooky one
I almost feel like if if these teams don't show
And in extremes case if they don't show they're they're good enough and clean enough to be able to to all this then
Are they good enough to take on Team Spirit? I also think if you're spirit you're you like the slower games
We used to get to play your style out team fight people and that game one was sloppy
It was long either team convincingly won it
You know, I think spirits big biggest weakness is like the old game in style the old liquid style when they were winning ti
Like we're gonna run you over in 30. You don't get to go that like him. That was not a game where that was convincing at all
So liquids are refusing to play that kind of style in this patch
I mean we're seeing eights just go for the greediest builds possible. No or is right. Yeah, that's the biggest thing
We're not seeing the crimson's we're not seeing the pipes. We're not seeing the early high ground
I think this is a lineup that could potentially do it on paper. You have Alch you have necrophos you have sustained you have a dark
You have an aura fire in the darks here on me
dead
Man ace didn't get inside the cons if you got inside of the cogs
They'd had to set up where they could have double ion shelf on me for a little bit
He might have died there, but as it stands he's gonna be shoved out of lane and look at tofu
He's gonna stick around if army thinks that he has free passage back to late
Wait, wait. Tofu didn't?
I thought for sure he was going to arrow him from the high ground.
He had a bunch of right clicks on him with the celestial quiver.
That extra bit of damage he's able to do, but no.
Don't want to let the equal area get controlled bottom too much.
Mickey not getting early CS with an alch.
Slain could get pushed in pretty quickly.
See, I have to be wary of that.
All eyes on this mid, though.
You have a Necropos against a Sanking.
This is a very one-sided matchup.
I expect Nisha to absolutely free farm.
farm he should dominate this lane he's gonna be very bad. It's a very strong
necro pick. It's great against the centaur, great against the sanking here, not
bad against the clings honestly because he doesn't want to buy early nullifier.
Liquid really punished this first six centaur. We saw the strength of the game
one but this is not gonna be nearly as easy a game. A lot of good matchups here
that Liquid can abuse.
Nothing to say, struggling already. This is getting a little rough.
Oh, that was a nice hit.
It doesn't matter. Yeah, no, not at all.
There's no way you can win this matchup. It's impossible.
You're just hoping you get some stacks in the jungle that you can fall back on and...
Get the ward, get the ward, get the ward.
Okay, you got it. Nothing to say, can maybe play a bit of lane with Sandstorm.
Meanwhile, Ashley do manage to get the kill there running down to FY.
Whoa, what was going on there?
of Neutrals that took a lot of damage in this Marana. Nice little pick up for Tofu of using
that Celestial Quiver. Never underestimate it. He felt pressure to TP? Was he TP mid?
Sure, where he was TP. Maybe they were trying to catch Boxy when he was going for the pull
on Creeps, which he has done and will pull the Creeps all the way back behind the tower
out of Amé's reach.
Get a half-full as well.
Still got the equilibrium bottom, so X-XS.
He's not gonna suffer on this Sintar.
Honestly, pretty nice Sintar for him.
The little lingertop gave him a free wave,
and it's kind of all you need in some of these Alc-Matchups.
We've seen the ammo for these Sintar games.
It's just literally four-position draws as much tension as possible,
tries to give as much experience as possible to Sintar.
Sintar gets Halmobind, well...
Boom, you're free! The shackles are gone and the four position can kind of do whatever they want.
Nothing to say, trying to survive through this necroposmatch, dude, fairly well early.
You can get a couple more waves here, dodge a few more death pulses, you might be in the clear.
Yeah, at some point it just goes back to jungle, right? Yep, 100%.
You're looking for the little three sandstorm if you're looking for one or two stacks and you start going in there, you're very efficient.
efficient so it's not looking too bad for playing quite well today see what
liquid can make at this dark seer now they have it in their hands not the
same wamo combo lineup no not at all so very different style raised to play
through here but you have a nice combo with the clockwork in terms of playing
faster on the map you have a nice combination with alchemist as you get an
aura item up and he just runs in with his timing can be really overwhelming
great search target as well needs to try to bait a little bit nothing to say
They would love to get the kill, but eight magic wand charges.
Misha may look like he is in danger of almost dying, but far from it.
There's gank potential on this necrophos.
He's kinda low, I just don't think it's worth going for over just stacking insistently.
If it backfires, it'll backfire real hard.
At the same time, if you're liquid, you have to expect to bring supports into this lane
for the Reaper kill.
Yeah, I was thinking that-
You can't get it on his own.
Yeah, I was thinking way more for Liquid to rotate into that lane, but instead of the
full rotation up the top lane, with the iron shells making it two heroes inside the cogs,
they have blood grenade on two, arrow to finish off, at least ex-nova, maybe Aume dies as well,
surge, boxy, he wanted to commit for that kill while ace was trying to offer him a way out.
The end boxy stick around too long and dies anyway, so support for support, trade off,
which is fine for extreme, as long as Aume is alive.
Dump pack doing a little bit of work in this lane, you have that Lotus still in your back pocket,
so some HP for Aume to work with that has the arrow real not.
Connect here.
Free farm for Mickey.
Creating a lot of space for his alchemist right now while you're pressuring.
The cling's not a bad MO for Liquid as, you know, mid lane's free no matter what.
NTS forced into the jungle very early.
Yeah, I kind of expected Liquid to go for this, like, backlaning they were doing with Darkseer,
and then move the clockwork into that mid lane, right?
Cut the wave, then he rotates in.
and he there one stops the sanking from hitting neutral so I can almost die in there from the gank I
Expect boxy to start scouting the sanking more. Yeah, they're gonna scan him here
It's gonna run in with an obs and a century
So this is where you want to look for him because now you have the repo online hand
You have the catapult wait mid so you know entus is gonna be pressured to respond to this end of the lane
He does have epicenter available and they're starting to run potential here. Oh, yeah be a little wary
Tofu feeling like with the glit being used, he needs to stop this bottom lane push with the arrow, he kills the siege wagon, and with the leaps he should be flying pretty hard.
First centaur Dark Willow to stop him from pulling waves. This means that yes, we'll have to kill this way for free though.
That's a pretty big win for extreme gaming. You deal with the catapult timing, you're not getting reapered here, you don't have a chance to power rune.
They will take it on X-Nova.
Got it on both sides.
Didn't get too bad.
Damage for X-Nova.
Do they see Boxing here?
He's going to kill a Curry now they see him.
Annoying clockwork that they'll have to play against.
Locking out the ancients.
You got to get a vision on some of these status.
Like I know they're coming.
You definitely want to contest them this game if you can.
You have very good heroes to contest it especially if you get the Alch in there.
has a couple stacks of his own they'll make a farming very efficiently.
Oh, MTS gets all this undetested.
It's a big win for him this game.
Yeah, there's not much pressure on Babe, like Exnova is taking the wave with no contest.
Liquid just playing again to farm.
It's surprising for me.
Maybe I saw this old idea of the team.
Yeah.
Like play through mid super fast, abuse runes, abuse a winning mid matchup.
They haven't really looked for it at all.
I think that Liquid is kind of dead.
I think maybe it's the introduction of tofu ace. Maybe it's a bit of the patch
They feel like it's not though you can't play that way anymore, but
Foxy look out for a kind of a suicide contest here on to the wisdom
Maybe tofu can still get something out of this
Thanks. No, but it's well, but
Needed two more hits probably from the morana
Feels like that's you're getting the little wins here
Yeah, for sure.
Is there not supposed to be doing this role in this early?
Yeah, that's my gut read.
So the fact that NTS is as far as he is, you get to sit on a top with some solo XP,
you never gave this Centaur up in the early game, zero deaths, he's going to have a fast helm.
Feels like all your cores are kind of chilling right now.
I'm a dumb, almost done for ace.
Need some more gold camps for this alchemist, that's what we need right now, that's true.
Start stacking those golem trees
They do have incredible neutral farming because even the only words can do it with tofu
They'll be able to hit a lot this game clock where I could do it with Ion shell put on him
So if they could just push lanes in all the time liquid will kind of outform you
combination of both the elk and
Necro plus the supports being up to do something
Foxy with his haste rune, runs into the skeleton archers, Amé is going to retreat back through the gate here and press through the alchemist.
Here comes that epicenter, the chain stun allows the epicenter to do full point blank damage and Amé is just here to take the tower.
Nice surprise move from nothing to say, they had no read on that at all as the Necros just been juggling.
That's another reason I don't like Liquid giving up this pressure point mid in such a favorable matchup.
matchup. If you're giving NTS some freedom to make some plays around the Nectar pose,
does that boot travel now? You can respond, but there's no response on the turn around
potential. Your damage is a little low in this early game with the supports. You need
Ion Shell in these plays to take those favorable skirmishes. It's the kind of thing you wish
you could Ion Shell Box and TP in somewhere and look for some sort of turn around. That
play happens too fast.
Look at Asia.
Pretty fearless, man.
He should be fearless in this game.
He needs to play aggressive, he needs to take space away from extreme gaming and abuse his position.
This is a pretty insane blow to the economy.
Oh yeah, these are making double stacks.
Actually, he's not protecting this at all.
This is what you want to see out of Liquid.
Stack contesting, take it away from the same team.
Bobby's also doing kind of the same. He like he's not taking stacks, but he is trying to take some of Alex's farm
Which is a nice idea. Let's take it the golems
And the reaper site kill not quite there
Is there still a death? No. Yeah, looks like it. Oh, okay. Okay. Just that's what I thought
I'm like, I didn't see the death pulse connect. Yeah, that was weird
September Pressuring Alchemist.
Give it enough farm and that matchup does start going the other way.
For sure.
For sure.
Right now, big game with no Radiance, he is not a threat.
Really solid levels on Tofu.
Where did he get all these levels from?
It's almost level 7.
I picked up the last hit on a few different kills, so I don't remember the kills, but
maybe he got soul experience for one or two of them.
Must have eaten one of the shrines here, yeah.
He's a big boy.
He's still farming up.
Nisha is still taking those camps.
They're no longer Lornoff camps, they're now Nisha camps.
Is that the official term for it?
Apparently.
Did Lornoff tell you that?
No.
Don't think I've ever spoken to that born off of my life, so...
Ha!
If the Lano changes its turn, it makes the Galaxy's doing very well.
Oh, look at this, though. Liquid's starting to take some of those top networked positions.
This will be expected from the triple overfast formula.
Maybe it's actually you who should have been a little worried about contesting stuff here.
Yeah, no, okay. You couldn't really contest things until, you know, nothing.
Yeah, it was actually online. He had a band playing now that you're a blink tagger though
It is about time to start aint been up the tempo a little bit
This is still the part of the game where you can kill the necrophos. Yeah, you bring
Supports behind the Sankeen with a stampede
That window will close pretty quickly in this game if you don't find those one or two cheeky kills kind of same with the alchemist here
Yeah, and again, I would love to see ace just go wars this game get the pipe up
Potentially even a Lotus Orb and just buff your other two cores, make them invincible on that frontline.
You're gonna cause actually a lot of problems.
It's already kind of looking like though, this is gonna be like a three-headed Hydra problem for extreme gaming.
You have one big playmaker that can kill a hero.
It's kind of a long cooldown, and it's not guaranteed. You really need some follow-up to it.
He wants to use his epicenter somewhere, is he gonna kill the Alk, the Necro, or the Darkseer?
who are all shoving lanes, who are all farming very efficiently, who are all working towards, you know,
it's only gonna get worse when you have double radiance.
It's one of those games where, should you even go with a blink on the sanking, are those opportunities gonna even be there?
Let's see if he finds an opportunity.
Oh, there you go. Quick little support pickup.
We'll bring the supports into the game, like I think you want blink on sanking at some point in this game.
And he tried to catch Amé, got him on the wall, but because of the stampede, the slow
does nothing to him.
He's able to run out, and that'll be Amé completing his deso very soon.
So if they can get these epicenter pick offs, and Amé's involved with them, they're gonna
get a pick off without the deso here.
Okay, Ace returned back to lane there, to get on the creep and save.
And it felt like one of those games you weren't gonna find these blink kills, and then you
just find two of them.
nice pickups for NTS that will finish the deso for the clinks as you mentioned and now they're kind
of cruising around the map. Now you have some damage to bring these big boys out before some of the
tanky items come out. Is this going to be a double radiance lineup? That's a lot of investment in
farm. It was a little overlap in the fight which means you're going to be susceptible for those
five or so minutes where you're trying to use those radiances to get the next set of items.
That's one I would want to see XG strike if they're going to strike in this game.
Yeah, that's for me where the blink tiger is like, yeah, it's a no-brainer, right? Like,
radiance, high damage, but these heroes are going to be incredibly squishy. One good initiation,
they're just gone. So... Stampede definitely helps a lot. Yeah, it's going to change the
dynamic for the clings a lot. I think last game Liquid abused the fact that once you got on top
of this clings, he was kind of just dead in the water. Like, he got Bookshot Cog, some random stun
lands. He has a pike, and that was his only disengage. Here, you can stampede him away,
You can reset comic and then choose to either go back in or maybe dodge some more spells
That's gonna be nice from I think last game. He didn't really have that sort of support. I guess you can search them
That's not usually the best
Get a jail card though. I mean correctly if I'm not wrong here, but like liquid haven't used moonlight shadow not all right
You had a very early to potentially that's it so much about liquids like mindset for this game like no aggressive actions whatsoever just
Nisha plays in there, their side of the jungle trying to, you know, just win the farm battle.
Tofu taking some camps here to win the farm battle. They're just farming.
Anything to keep these cores in safe positions, successfully getting their radiances and farming with it.
And extreme. They gotta be the ones to hunt things down. The onus is on them with a pipe picked up for X-XS.
They are not to be trifled with when it comes to team fights, but Liquid's not going to take those team fights.
That's where the pick-offs come into play, nothing to say.
Finally does get a pick-off with this epicenter, Kill C. Alchemist.
Being able to do that at the same time as taking mid tower, that's a nice bit of efficiency for Extreme.
It just feels like Liquid are saying, do whatever you want. We all care.
Oh, and Ami's setting up for a third opportunity here.
Ace is gonna die, also have nothing to say, T being back for Oshraik, and once again, they got the Darkseer and his creep.
That's all Arcane Room for the Sanking, by the way.
There's another epicenter in 50 seconds here.
That's sick.
And this feels too free for me.
It's not that you're falling behind, but...
There's just no pressure on the map. Liquid Ark conceiving the entire first 20 minutes here.
And just thinking on the fact that these three super farmers are eventually going to kick in and scale.
Interesting approach.
If XG continue to find big pick-offs, particularly through the sink, I think they're going to feel smooth about the momentum in this game.
And it can quickly turn into, oh, suddenly we're taking Roshan, so you killed one of your cores with this Desokai.
He's come inside the Bramble Terrorize, and with Aume, both between the strafe and the burning barrage,
he didn't actually use the burning barrage, but still, FYI's able to run him down thanks to the Stampede Shadow Realm and Bedlam.
He's got some decent heroes to utilize the Stampede.
I really do.
Sinking likes it a lot to keep close to heroes with that best center, Dark Willow,
sometimes has a fun closing mag gap to actually use Bedlam.
Oh, you can't see him there. Nice little hiding spot from FYI.
Wait till his TP's back up, and he's out of there. Very farmed by the way on this Dark Willow.
The audience fold the stiller almost an entire glimmer cape.
He's cruising in this game.
I think you can broach already.
If you're actually, you have Pipe on Centaur.
You have the Clink's damage.
You got Alpha Wolf as well.
Off the Dom group.
They might be lining up down here.
Yeah, they're not, Liquid's not gonna contest you, and...
Yeah, I like this.
...Dom A has enough damage that it's not gonna be too slow.
This is the downside of just farming if you're on the side of Liquid.
You're gonna concede some objectives here, maybe earlier than you would like.
Right, the problem may not be this Aegis, it's going to be the second Roshan that's really fast.
They can use that banner to go high ground, right?
I don't know about that, I don't know if we're seeing that early to high ground, but...
And yeah, they didn't take streamgaming, maybe.
So they're going to stop it because of the rocket flare.
They feel that Liquid are contesting however Liquid are not contesting.
They will get the pick off on Tofu, at least they get something for their efforts,
It's the love that's slowing down too much, but that's what charges
He's had more charges as this game. They had you know going 40 minutes in that other one
Straight back into the Roche boxy. He gets caught on the side. He has to hook shot out
Okay, that's a green light to finish this one
Definitely nothing stopping it now and they might even kill boxy
That's no ball. He's got no daggers to slow down boxy boxy's probably gonna get up distance
the wheel doesn't quite land and oh the cox doesn't push back fy so now he's gonna die underneath the
wheel and the urb actually got taken away as well that he's beggin for and like stream keep on getting
these like little plus ones to everything every dark seer kill gets a helmet dom creep as well
getting that courier pick off and that's up and it's keeping the net worth very even despite the
fact that it is a necro alchemist double radiance line up again they should be out farming you on
on the enemy team, but extreme. They're getting enough early kills, enough objectives taken.
Let them into good spot. Now with Alnisha, they're done nice and early, Nisha over-canceled.
He's gonna kill! No, we didn't actually get him the strongman potion. He's gonna keep him alive a lot longer.
Now, Shane Ganger gonna come and collect the kill.
You have another Deso Charge, up to eight. Grame.
Okay, maybe I'm gonna get a sign. Centaur trying to get a kill.
And they will get him eventually here. Terrorize almost stops him in time.
Boxie interrupts that one. Hookshot in. Cogs pushing back FY into an awkward spot here.
Though, I think there was enough TPs that they're afraid to keep fighting into Extreme.
Understand Blasto. They just back up the farm.
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
Oh, he spotted that unstable concoction. Poppy knows his under vision. The creep also spoils it.
Not gonna lose the Aegis here.
You're gonna cycle this way?!
Waves in exile though, this is the dagger!
Careful there, brother. Yeah...
Nice play around the map. At least Liquid get one core kill in this early game.
We're losing this Necro. This Necro is super high level, by the way.
Because he's at purely farm, he was high level by a couple little 15 there. That's a lot of XP.
Swing an XG's way. He really took that kill for granted.
Was it the shawl? I mean, that was a level 2 reaper sight.
Just an extra bit of match resistance makes the disc the difference.
Oh, Climber Caves are gonna be amazing for both teams in this game.
Yeah.
There's a lot of utility that can go a long way.
That is almost Nisha online.
Not with the Climber Caves but the Consecrated Ramps. Similar idea here.
We'll delay his BKB.
I think it feels bad to just go straight BKB here.
It's a very good BKB game.
You have to think about the Alex track.
So if the epicenter kill, they wanted the Necro, will have to content themselves with the Darkseer, still got it.
KRI's pushing back some of these heroes.
No immediate response, in fact, to Alchemist, even if they call it Quitsier.
Nikkei says, that's just more time for me to farm.
I don't want to join in some fight without a BKB being done, which is just finishing up.
You have to fight on your time as Alchemist, you can't get dragged in the fight, you don't want to join, or you're not ready to.
He's very strong on the map.
You gotta remember, this is an Alchemist with potential ion surge, plus shell, plus a Moonlight Shadow initiation.
It's an extra heal from the Necropos. You've got a lot of buffs behind him to play with right now.
And a tanky boy with that level 2 ultimate.
Liquid with their triple item pickup timing. All three of their cores are online for the early games.
They're gonna make their first real big offensive move to kill Aume. Take away Zages.
Counter initiation, boxing. It's a beautiful cauldron. Locking in two different heroes.
Aume's about to come back up. Can the wheel stop? It got two on the wheel!
And that's beautiful, with the standpeed getting on there, away from the Alchemist.
What a reset. Now Extreme, still gonna be chased down on some of these heroes though,
as the Alchemist keeps the Centaur within reach, constantly slowing them down.
Extreme gaming, this is gonna be a good whip, decent amount of damage.
Maybe they think about coming back in with the Reaper's Scythe being popped off the Centaur.
The box, saving the X-XS, they popped the vacuum wall, slowing down these heroes.
Now, a potion being used by Exilva as well, now they jump in with the Alchemist though,
And these heroes are so damn low, Liquid might still be able to finish him off, they've run down one X-XS trapped in a corner, no way out here!
They will be a third. Extreme Gaming did a good job of fighting back a little bit there, but ultimately, it's just Liquid a bit too strong in their timing will win the fight.
The irony is, the supports at such a good early game, they both have killstreaks there.
So a little bonus gold going Liquid's way, some of the streak went to Micke, some went to Ace, and they get that big send far kill at the end.
A decent gold exchange, straight into Torment, they're very nice sequence for Liquid, power
up the out BKB, you're just running at them the whole time, holding this BKB, daring you
to commit for the turnaround.
And there is no turnaround because you don't have epicenter there, you used it on that mid
kill who is still on cooldown.
We're going to see NTS come in on the second half of this fight, you get to Burrow here
on the clock where he has an amp image, but with no epicenter they're just ignoring it,
like yeah whatever, you can sit on the side of the fight.
We are going to implement the great strategy of walking you.
Back-to-back pick-offs potentially.
Oh, the Croker interrupted things a bit there.
Another wrist, Effie.
Yeah, that is not great.
Aume did also get the pick-off on Tofu with the reveal of the orchid.
Something.
Big wins for Liquid here, though, in the last few minutes.
This is what their lineup wants to do.
Hit these mid-game timings that are just unstoppable.
Too much HP, too much regen.
DKBs are super strong.
You don't have that super scaling yet.
These are the fights that are going to cause extreme gaming problems.
And we'll see how this roach lines up because they did it super early.
This second one is going to be pretty quick here.
That could be really nice for Liquid.
They could be like, oh, thank you for accelerating this for us.
We'll take a 25 minute banner ages and just run down a lane.
There's potential for some fast pushes in this game.
It requires to really feel confident about it.
You got to finish up the BKB on Nisha.
Right, the Kling Stance won't be so overwhelming.
So if you can get to that PKB, maybe the sheathes can be done on Ace.
I could see it work out here. They already have Pipe, they already have Greaves.
You can potentially get to AC on Alk.
Yeah, you put together the double armor items and it'll be there at the 30 minutes for sure.
You win that Roche, you could have all these Auras plus and Aegis plus a Banner.
And what are actually gonna do with that? They have to just throw the Sanking Epicenter into that amount of HP.
Which I do think...
Oh, I'm not that strong.
It makes the decision-making for liquid very interesting here, right?
Like, they actually opted to smoke and make a play here.
They moved to the Necrophos.
Ooh, missed hookshot there from Boxy.
Oh, it's like the easiest one to hit it the whole day, too.
That's true.
And this kind of spoils everything here.
Alright, back to farming.
Definitely an awkward time to make that play when there's no objective to fall back on.
Little sad about that, but they should get your Necrophos to the BKB.
But it does slow down both Ace and Mickie, getting their two very crucial armor items.
I don't know, I just felt like the timing of that smoke was like, I feel like you look
at that Roshan timer and you see two minutes till it potentially spawns and you say, okay
that's two minutes of fire.
It's definitely a little awkward, but here we have Moonlight Shadow to create some extra
smokes for you.
That helps a little bit.
Yeah, that is true.
True, but that was a very high mis-radiance farming time. That's for sure. I leveled tofu level 12 every single time
I look at this guy. He is clearing through some sort of camp with star storm
So race to be babies for liquid not say a race level 20 for NTS here
I think it's the biggest team fight upgrade version here. Yeah. Yeah, that's a center town
Get BKB on him your level 20 suddenly maybe this episode can just cut through some of the HP pools here
particularly if you can land some chain stuns.
This is not the same ease of execution.
Wombo combo has a line-up in game one, but it's still there.
If you get caught in a two or three-man stun
by Centaur Sanking, it's gonna get chained
by the Dark Will.
You can get chained into the Wheel of Wonder.
There is a lot of potential chain-stuff follow-up.
You have to be careful of this game.
It's funny, you talked about the difference
of place-off for both off-laners, right?
Because XXS has just completed a heart,
but he's not in the same position as Ace's Centaur,
because he's matched up against the Necro.
So as much HP as you get,
it's only half as effective against that reaper side.
So he's not gonna be able to just kind of like go in there
and be like, oh, go on me.
If you do, you lose the fight.
He has to play more for the team.
Yeah, they committed a lot of counter picks
to this first acceptor.
So you just have to recognize that
and not play too greedy,
not play for yourself too much,
play through your other course.
Knowing that, though,
do you think the Harte is still the right choice?
Like, is it a necessity for this hero to scale?
Mr. Ophiel's real bad about it, obviously.
Yeah, that's fair.
He's gonna be a bit of a faster Roshan, not that either team knows this.
That does result in him being firmly on the dire side, which is to extreme gaming's favor.
They're gonna group up here and smoke.
They have BKB on the same team, but he couldn't hit that level 20.
Only need way more agent stacking or something to get there this early in the game.
However, Nisha, he gets his BKB and he is a little 20, so...
Nice talent for himself. Not as impactful but little cherry on top
Tofu play oh, what a pack step the mud golem stops the TV here
He's gonna moonlight shadow hope the mud play in one direction moonlight shadows then runs the other directions
He's actually juking out much of extreme for now
Enough to say just throwing blind burrow strikes out there
It looks like tofu is a way and look at the rest of liquid they are squaring up and they're gonna go straight from it
They have vision on him.
They're going to hit unstable concoction.
The wheel, the box, maybe back he get on there
out of here alongside the Stampede 4 staff over the cliff.
And away he goes.
Now he's so low.
He can't really fight into this one.
He has to just go for a test.
But he took me if you get it.
BKBs were used.
Extreme gaming, get out with only one support loss,
honestly.
That's a win considering how it started.
That's a huge win.
Well, the Reaper was being thrown.
That's a dead clink.
It's 100% because the box was already used.
And you somehow got him out of there with the power of the Hurricane Plague 4 staff.
I do think there was an opportunity maybe to turn that...
I don't know how well it worked out, but that's the type of scenario that we're gonna have to be careful and you're chasing after the BKBs are down.
And of course it all starts with the one goal, the hero that entry needed, but he has no dust so he can't see anything.
That is true.
You start on this things every time you can.
Yep.
That is the best target to find.
You get barely bailed out here.
Two different fights that Exnova has had some clutch states and it's something liquid
are really going to have to start considering.
I think if you had the level 20 talent saying, hey, you might turn that.
Yeah.
BKB's down, you're going with all those center pulses, you're going to do some serious work.
The timing was not there.
Liquid know it, they're going to play very aggressive.
Roche is available in the bottom pit here for another minute and a half before it switches
I just don't think extreme gaming need to think about right now. You might want to force the Roche again
Foxy's hanging around
As long as he is alive and rocket-firing the pit we saw how tipped extreme gaming was about it earlier
Try to make a move on this necrophos the team is not coming through the gate or anything
Just trying to get a VKB or some response out of it, but they do get the moonlight shadow
wasn't worth nothing here and they're gonna use the remnants of this moonlight
shadow to make it go on mid nothing to say there it goes out you spot him he's
too far away his bro shrug he's up to the high ground dangerous proposition even
with knowing that Amé isn't here knowing that he's top lane sinking I think the
liquid timing is better right now but it will not be in a few minutes this
Clinkz is close to full Daedalus, so if you give him a pick off here into Roche
this game is gonna become a lot more difficult. Full Daedalus combined with
level 20, nothing to say that is a massive power spike for this team. They're
very close. I think Liquid still look pretty good if they can get the
initiation, but how did they get that initiation over the same king? They got to
stop him from epicentering. They run into Tofu, that's very nice. Not enough to do Roche here.
Quick pick. No it's 15 seconds, so it's gonna change sides no matter what. Yeah,
Yeah, that will almost guarantee Tofu will be back up and able to play the Roshan fight.
And that just means a few more seconds for Liquid's cores to farm.
A little 20 on the Alk.
BAT upgrade.
Lotus or Nisha, once that, I mean, you have to have the spells against the Bloodthorn.
Not for you guys yet, it's just the work it for now.
We're gonna see just how tanky this Liquid line up is.
They might just run into the buzzsaw.
They clump up into the sanking spells.
They can start on NTS? That sounds pretty nice.
It's gonna be hard for him to disengage and then re-initiate.
Combo is definitely not the same for Liquid off of the Darkseer as it was in Game 1.
That is for sure. The best play is Vacuum Unstable Concaution, which very much could happen.
It's not the worst done to throw into it, because it tracks the guy. Yep.
I wonder if there's any argument to go like Shiva's on this hero, this game for X-ray
OE, but it's probably way too minor of a value point to overlook the armor.
Plus, yeah, your whole team appreciates the ACY.
Yeah, 100%.
They really want to pick off into Roshan here.
Yeah, I need...
There you are.
Not finding it.
Extreme gaming are not even anywhere close to the pit.
They just left the home of the bottom pit.
behind in the pit, they're gonna scout this roach the second it gets done.
Boxing slowly killing with battery.
You gotta kill this thing.
Just a 4-6 stream gaming, not to play the map as much as they're doing right now.
They're forming a log.
Oh, nothing safe linked in there.
Oh, got the Bruce Shrek out before the Unsampled Concoction,
but Ace is there on the other side with a vacuum.
BKB has to be used by nothing to say.
Dark Willow, Glimmer Cakes, so let's not get off the terrorize.
So it's a pick up, but not a core pick off.
The wings are on the bottom.
Remember, he has no PKB here, but he gets found on detection.
Mikae hits him with the Batch, should re-verside, close in, and he's gone!
Okay, now Liquid have the opening.
To go for Roshan while Aame is down.
It's not totally free because, again, the epicenter is very spooky.
You have PKB, so that's the biggest thing.
You have PKB available, you can manage for these objectives.
You're not going to get bursted before you're able to plop that, get the health regen going
and turn that fight around.
Without Almey you don't have the overall physical to burst these targets, so I think this is
absolutely the right call.
I doubt we'll see XG Contest this way, it's way too difficult to make anything happen
here.
Nothing to say, he's already on the other side of the map, he's going to push in that way,
trank it his shebas for the flight they're going to have to take against his shebas.
As I imagine Liquid will start mounting up some pressure on objectives off of this.
I'm gonna take a line go high ground here. Your line is built for it.
Keep the edges to the necrophos.
Just lots available. Not too bad.
And banner as well. So high ground.
Wide open for liquid.
It's like you don't clump into the big AoE to fight.
Doesn't look that difficult.
You're just kind of worried about some clink's death.
Um, clink's Daedalus hits going through.
Oh, nice one.
Nice blind hook shot there from Boxy.
They're almost following it up, but Ex Nova does get a bit of distance.
Hit a distance, hit by the Unstable concoction, and he's punched once by Mickey twice to finish it off.
Give a lead up here as well.
I'd be really tempted to just send it here.
Even just like force it back. You don't have to like take full lane. You've got four and a half minutes on ages, but...
Oh man, Starks here has already made his move to defend bottom.
So it looks like they're taking this tier two and getting out.
Again, corralling in the map as much as possible, trying to make it small.
Extreme gaming, it's their turn to try and dodge fights, rat out the map, and play off
of pick-offs, which is where it clings to specialty is, both the rat and the pick-off.
I'm a little worried for liquid scale if the Sanke gets to, you know, 25 basher refresher
I think double episodes are going in this line up at that point. You're a little worried about your sustained
Yeah, do you feel that way because the eggs for liquid are not amazing?
Necro is very good, but I feel like Darkseer in this game is pretty whatever
Marana's gonna build it herself anyway clockwork aggs, you know, yeah
I guess yeah, I guess that doesn't help too much like that's a big component for Alchemist line-ups like sure
My base does get spotted here, but he's baiting it out.
He wants to take this fight.
They're already going to make their jump.
Necro folks in some trouble.
You know those agents here.
Meanwhile, they're going on the Centaur mansion
to visibly him during the stampede.
Let's see if he can catch him.
Hookshot over the side with the arrow on Ami.
Yeah, Tofu is killing him solo right now.
He's running him down.
Have you used the box, epicenter, everything they can?
And Tofu is going to make the leap away.
Ami is still going to be caught by an unstable concussion
reaper side.
Tofu, the hero of that fight.
I mean, Liquid probably would win that anyway, but they get the Clink's kill because of that arrow.
What a sick fight from Tofu. He has the shark too. You look at the death summary for Amit, it's Morana.
Yeah, it's just 2,000 damage from Morana with 9 Quiver hits, 4 Star Storm procs, a max duration hero.
He had his number and punched it.
And look at the damage difference. They streamed in 2,000 more damage in this fight.
But it was a very one-sided fight. Liquid heroes are so tanky right now.
Ami just doesn't even see this arrow because you're looking to the right side of your screen right here.
He runs into it off the stand feed. So much damage.
Back in real-time, Boxxie's already made his initiation. They said,
Any hero that shows up, we're making the go.
Wall Ami's dead. They saw Sentar and they went for it.
Now Boxxie's still trying to hold him back here.
here the Centaur is so tanky without the Reaper's sight it's not an easy kill
liquid will lose much of their momentum hitting this high ground now
kind of a double-edged sword yeah they have no epicenter but you have no Reaper
yeah so just the fight gets really weird as neither team can really kill the big
targets on the frontline got to respect these big old mitts these are level 25
and 36 minutes though this is a news out of control I mean they have to get him
First, otherwise, these death pulses, it's just too much HP.
Too much damage over time.
I think you just pull the mags right now.
I think so, too, yeah.
He's so beastly, so high level, so fast, he already has the heart.
You pull him and the mags, it's doing a crap ton of damage.
Him just existing in the fight will win you the fight at that point.
Your options to all in them are just to throw all of your big AoE ultimates on the necrophones,
which means if he survives in that packbinders, you're absolutely screwed in the 5 on 5 engagement.
Yes.
At the same time, Liquid don't have any saves, uh, really?
They have glimmer cave for Boxy, but they have nothing hard to save,
which may be something they have to consider in the future.
They get a Wind Waker or something.
Yeah, Wind Waker on the support, so I mean, Topu's gonna have the farm for it.
Like, he is, I think he is, well, 1000 at worth.
Yeah, he's already built up to yields, so, good choice.
Too good in this game.
It's gonna force even more Nova Fire presence.
They only have one potential Nova Fire wire in this game,
the clinks who's also trying to get to MKB and BKB. Couple Conjurer's Catalysts, that
is an insane Conjurer's Catalyst for MTS. Oh yeah, imagine he rolls and he doesn't get
it. Well, he did get it here. He's very happy about that.
Meanwhile, Nisha...
Ooh, his options are terrible!
My goodness, I mean, he would want Conjurer's Catalyst, right?
But he also would love to have the pension.
Right? Anything that keeps him alive is worth its weight in gold.
I think the Rattle Cage, honestly, is a little underrated.
I'm not sure if it's just Tank, a huge amount of damage.
Sure, yeah. I mean, he's gotta be the focus.
It's gonna bounce back a lot of damage. He went for the idle.
So, slow resistance is value.
Evasion, very good.
I think him being able to gain the evasion against the Clink Seal so that's quick in so you can go up to like 50% of Asian here
Pretty nice. Wow that that is a lot now. Oh may already had the idea
He wanted to build MKB
He doesn't rely on bloodthorn to be able to get through this which is fair enough
But it's a long ways away. He's trying to finish off his BKB right now and here comes the smoke of liquid make it this way
They're gonna run crash into X-XS who is high ground for it actually stomped in there
in a stomp. Here comes the epicenter, going for ace. Take out that team fighter and get the boxy kill as well.
And look at him. Mickey went down to half health. Here comes their turn around. Neesha is going to start
popping those death pulses, healing up the Alchemist. They can't sustain it though.
They can't keep this up. BKB is now being uncooled down. The hit for nothing is saying that damage was
insane and it was our cane rune. So the epicenter is going to be back up very soon.
He had the Basher for it and that's the power of the Conjurer's Catalysts.
It just starts proccing on everybody there.
A nasty amount of damage.
If the Alk gets caught in that wheel under, that play is completely over for Liquid.
They had to buy the clock, they lost the Darks here.
Yeah, you have these death pulses but they're not pulling out fast enough.
And especially with the Insofar board here, blinking board off the smoke break.
And he has food and again, no saves are even possible from these supports.
I mean, Nick is lucky he doesn't get changed on. That's very close.
You're thinking about refreezing so far but...
They're still the box. They're still glimmers.
It's not that straight forward.
And that was with an axe pool to the Necropos.
He had it going into that fight.
A huge upgrade for Liquid.
Not being able to run that over.
It does feel like this is going to be a persistent problem for Liquid.
A combination of...
There's always going to be, I think, better initiation...
For Extreme Gaming, and Extreme Gaming also have the safe advantage, where you do not.
Until Super Light Game, where you're able to itemize your way out of it.
Those are two massive advantages for Extreme.
Escape Act is super annoying in a game like this.
Again, forces you to buy the nullifier.
Does the alchemist want to buy the nullifier?
It's like a broken record at this point.
Nobody wants to buy this item.
And if you don't, you're like, man, I wish I bought a nullifier.
Yeah, yeah.
He kind of disassembled radians here.
It's very easy for Mickey to pick it up if he wants it.
No one else on the team is likely going to buy it.
I guess you could argue Marana can get it too.
Like your options are either Wind Waker or nullifier.
Kind of the strength this hero gives you.
Her spells aren't that great, but she can farm a lot. She can buy some extra utility
Otherwise, yeah, you just have to deal with this escape act
Think about if ringmaster ever gets an ice in this game. And honestly, he has 3,000 gold. He's not that far from it
That's true. Double box would just be insanely debilitating. It means whoever you go on first gets boxed
And you have a backup one for the Reaper site. Yep. At that point the fight becomes really difficult to play
Oh, also just like even just a small little window means that Stampede DKB could go off
And you have not like nullified for sure interact anything with that
So it's gonna have to be perfect for liquid kind of initiation
What advantage I feel like liquid will have is vision presumably
Hmm as that's kind of what the clockwork gives you and the marauder and the marauder with the midnight shadow
You should be able to find some nice vision angles
So it's all about trying to break down extreme game the reason that the last fight went so well for them
They were set up on a high ground war, for sure.
Again though, I'm just thinking about the scale.
Like, double box, the double epicenter with the 25.
Yeah, man, it's spooky, man.
It's really hard to
play these kind of sustained lineups into the ultra late.
If you can't hit that big game timing, they're going to try and
coat the Roshan here, force HG into them.
You can potentially abuse buybacks on an outpost fight.
If you have them here, on the side of Liquid,
And just wear through the ultimates. They only have the necrophos right now that the Alch...
...whoop-ha-piss.
The extreme's gonna see the necro bottom lane and immediately make the push.
But necro has already TP'd to the tier two. He's gonna join his team up to the triangle area.
He has the big buyback here, for liquid.
So even if you ult in Nisha, that fight might not go your way.
It's scouted here by Boxy. Annoying clockwork as usual. What can you do about it? Absolutely nothing.
Again, every little bit of information is an instant decision from both teams to go for a smoke play.
Liquid popped theirs off a box, he's showing some of these heroes.
Herald comes out.
Doesn't see anything though.
Gonna send the Alchemist in, he's your initiator here.
Eating the charge.
What can Miike find? He wants to find the Sanking or the Clink Splash.
The Sanking would be beautiful, but he's already blinked away, nothing to say.
Very quick on that one.
Sable concoction, self-explosion, little courier, little hum-the-dumb creep,
boxy trying to jetpack in, and they're pushing his dream gaming farther and farther back.
The stream gaming's gonna smoke now, and they're not spotted by that rocket flare.
They've maneuvered this pretty nicely.
Yeah, they really did. They're getting around Liquid.
Liquid presumably have no idea where they are right now.
They pushed up to the top of the map.
Oh, look at this ward.
This ward is scouting right now.
On the higher side, there's no gem here.
This could be a beautiful opportunity for them to wrap back into their own jungle if they can burst.
A full circle back around to go for Micky. Here comes the scoff.
He makes it get off the chemical range, but here comes the center, pulling up up inside of that epicenter.
They got him, and once again they'll get the plus one on the boxy.
A liquid. There's got to have to BKB, nothing to say.
Hoping he could bash. Now he's not going to get that.
Beautiful movement there from Extreme.
I'll manage to get the vision on him, anything!
Still out of the pit. Road Sean, available for the taking for extreme.
What a huge ward. That's why we see a lot of teams by Jem.
Yeah, you need these wards up, you can pay a big price.
Sick outmaneuver from XG.
They disengage super well, got that smoke off just in time.
They played around all the vision mechanics from Liquid and still have an advantage going into this fight.
fight in the second you changed on out there it's too much damage that's where
you wish you had to escape back to right it's there's no bailout you don't have the
wind wakers yet look at this man are from heaven they're gonna take this
Roshan grab all the items and then on their way juice and amp damage real
juicy here Amé is peeking right now bloodthorn Dundado is done is all the
deso charges in the world now an amp damage on top of that yeah although it's
left is him getting his 25, which he is so close to, but won't have just yet to get to the Sand King,
so, and they got a refresher shark, so NTS, he's not gonna have to buy Alpha refresher,
he just gets a gift at the end, this is. Accelerating that timing by a large margin,
they're down 5 or 6k, does not feel like it. No, they are definitely the ones winning this game.
Right now, and perhaps for, I don't know, for the rest of the game, you sound pretty down
full of Liquid's late game here. I just think it's gonna be hard for them to all in heroes,
and that's what their lineup has to do.
Yeah, more tools for extreme gaming in those team fights for sure.
You already have aggs on this remaster.
If they don't find Ex-Nova,
worried about the Alak and Necro committee on their target,
because what happens is you go in with these heroes,
you have to make a very quick call through IPOP, EKP,
or do I risk getting changed on them?
How does nobody on Liquid still not have detection?
I mean, like, no, Gem, not really.
Like, you gotta make sure you're not underneath these wards.
Tofu, Sponsor Sentry, up there on the ground.
Here comes the wrap, though.
They're gonna quickly kill the Dark Willow. Box attempted. Sponsex Nova, they're gonna go for the Ringmaster. Here comes that epicenter.
Try to blow up Nisha, not as easy of a kill as it was that Alchemist from before.
It still managed to X Nova, and they have to repress Scythe, just to make sure he goes down back to that Dark Willow.
He'll bop back TP'd into that fight.
As a dieback.
FYI, that is not a great decision for him, a dieback. Very awkward.
They used their fresher shark too?
Yeah, to refresh for an epi that never got thrown out.
Two nice angles from Liquid, huh?
Finding multiple points of attack, that's what worked for them in the Game 1 as well.
Just trying to separate this big AOE teamfight,
and they're able to dodge most of the FB damage with some nice sustained BKBs.
Exactly what you're looking for. Now you have an opening.
Still an FSNR available because of that refresher shard?
So you have to be wary with BKBs on cooldown, but you have a banner here.
Yeah, big wave that's really gonna help.
Necrophos not gonna be the fastest pusher, but with this many creeps.
It's pretty good. Speed things up a little bit.
You have a gem now too.
Unboxing.
Pretty nice.
It does mean the siege wagons will stay invulnerable when it comes to hitting the barracks.
If it wants to go up it starts swinging though.
Yeah, I don't think anybody wants to go up that hill.
And that liquid could have kept some sort of prolonged siege situation but they say it's
not worth it.
The Dark Willow is only so much of the team fight of the extreme.
I think XG, if painted by Tofu over here, he has a lot of information for Liquid in terms of the vision.
It's very different with X-Nelda, it's one of the first heroes you see if you're Liquid, right?
Yes, you baited in the formation a little bit, which lets you jump the free master and he has to double box himself,
which is just a disaster for extreme gaming.
those cores are able to connect in the exact way the fight they want to we
also saw like it wasn't just a burrow strike epicenter initiation at the top
of the fight right it was on a fight that it was already going on I think
Nisha for example had already popped his ghost round before he got hit by the
burrow so he dodged a lot of those stingers and there comes a little more
scale I know their axe pulled to the dark seer this time what do you think about
about that. You get a punch. That's either Hamer or the clockwork. I'd say his is the
more powerful axe. And for sure, for sure. It's just nice having another stun. I don't
think that illusion is doing a lot here, but just being able to stun somebody, especially
chain stun them off a back initiation, it makes the single target back a lot more viable.
My question is, it's not who gets the axe, but like, is the axe better than you getting
an upgraded blank? Or just, you know, getting an upgraded blank and slapping off phase boots,
like true six one. I think it's fine. Okay, he can get swift blink into another item off
of the Booth cell. Yep. But I also think that's a little easier to do when we approach
tier five neutral items. So maybe you're just kind of waiting for that overall time in his
holes game could go ultra late again. Yeah, if you feel like it's going to go that way,
better to give the way away the eggs early. Yes, get the extra Greevils greed.
We still need an ax on his clinks.
We need for the army.
And we still need that refresher on the San King.
Remember he had the shard in the earlier fight, so he still needs to purchase it for himself.
So still some big items to pick up there for SG.
Man, it's curious. Extreme Gamer, actually gonna go for the fight.
Not wait for those items that they're so close to, but if they catch Liquid by surprise, they had a nice ward.
Again, that, if another ward kills Liquid, they lost a team fight.
team fight it like there are teams out there buying 20 minutes they have a
job they have a game box you just didn't see it I got you he's had it for a bit
here okay
I love that he's still holding on to that qualifier just in case you know he
wants to chop down a tree and place one of those sneaky wards nice reaction
there so there's the way on the yeah this was the tail end of the ages period
for XG you're right they're trying to get something going with it but liquid
They're not gonna fight.
And, uh, they're sitting pretty on that Necrophos net worth.
Very intimidating there.
He has a- of course that entire difference is in his bank, sitting on 11,000 gold right
now.
He's like, what do you want to buy?
You gotta decide here.
Can't bring that gold into a game three, there is no game three.
That's true.
Wind Waker.
It is funny, like, the Alchemist game, right, net worth is very skewed.
about the late game is well like how far up do you think liquid has to be in
order for this to be an even game probably about worth it right now okay
I'm not gonna say 20,000 that sounds a little too much but it's fine if you did
say it is right now for over 50 right on the money I think 15k is like the
even more thing is I think a lot of their net worth is not translating to
damage impact as directly as XGs can right now a lot of that's execution
event like for sure you can land some reapers and stuff but in theory some of
the counter plays there like how much does this macro net worth count for if
you just get bursted or changed on there's no save for him there's no
wind wakers yet that's my big concern wind wakers come out it gets a lot more
dicey for extreme gaming okay they're even old fire in the center though so
they're kind of preempted we thinking about that which I like
Well, I'm gonna come down to the tier 5 neutral items too.
We get that Stygian on the clings again.
That's a huge damage upgrade.
Throw some more books out here.
Bigger AOE.
Could be pretty nasty.
What do you build?
Like, super late Necro.
Yeah, it's always the trouble.
Yeah, like, not that obvious.
Is the magic divine ever good on this hero?
It's not.
Maybe Hex, maybe Wind Waker.
You can end up in these like, mass dispel builds where you're like, man, it's a Wind Waker
octarene, and you're just permanently kiting in the fight.
I mean, pretty much everything is diminishing returns here on out for Disha because he already
has an Agatom scepter.
Now he's sold his Lotus in order to complete out a Wind Waker.
He didn't sell it yet.
Okay, he is planning to sell it.
Yeah, he's got a Q.
Yeah, so that's the kind of thing.
How much of it?
Wind Waker is a way stronger item than Lotus Orb, but you're not gaining it in a vacuum
here.
Yeah, exactly.
And now it's like, okay, now what?
Okay, swap out your Radiance for something else.
Again, every item is a trade-off at this point in time.
You're not getting as you said the complete effectiveness in a vacuum.
You need Wind Waker on LHG.
That's just how, that's all I know.
This item is super broken in the late game. It's very hard to counter it with nullifier even though we talk about it a lot.
Level 25 for the darkseer.
Hmm, what's he gonna take here? Usually take the AOE surge. Yeah, most people do.
Seems pretty good with this kind of lineup. You could just moonlight in a flight, pop that AOE surge.
Helps your initiation a lot.
The Alchemist is the one who definitely has the biggest room for growth right now compared
to the Gold he's got.
Get that upgraded Blank.
Still has another item to swap in over the Phase Boots.
He can cause the Clink Slaw to issues with Swift Blank Abyssal.
You just get on top of Almey and start bashing and Shane's stunting him.
Then you have to make a call if you're boxing him or you're just trying to stampede him
out.
And of course, Roshaw, 30 seconds here.
I found it so interesting that Boxy, like he's a clockwork player, but he doesn't go for the early blink that we've seen, uh, Crit do.
He's just trying to survive in this game.
Yeah, that's fair. I mean, you happen to game one, happen to game two, it's just kind of built up survivability. We'll go for a later blink.
See, currently sitting in the pit waiting for Roshan to spawn, but that information, is that really going to do anything for you?
for you. Are you strong enough to actually do something about it? Neither team wants
to force the Rochery of it. Need the teamfight here into that objective. Oh my God, Nisha's
going to get a helm of the Overlord. Hmm. I do have that, I need splitting up the map.
More and more. I don't know if he's thinking like the Golem is particularly valuable. It
It is a lot of HP, this late into the game, but I think he's trying to use his gold in
any way he can.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
An extra way for him to be able to utilize these slots.
Mickey's gonna buy in another axe.
I think she will have all their buybacks.
That's a big deal here.
Yeah, I'm very surprised that Mickey bought out like he did.
Yeah, it's not gonna take very long for him to get by that gold. I'm just saying this window where Roche on hold up
He'll now will he buys it out another eggs. Yes
I thought he's gonna save half the gold. He was only a hundred off now. He's two thousand. Oh, yeah
Who's he and is this the clock work eggs? I guess
The marana back to the marana so the refund so he'll get octarene
I mean, oh, yeah, I could see it though tofu is almost over 25
That low-cooled-down AGs, triple-arrows, stuff, like it's ridiculous.
It really is game-winning.
You put so much threat out on the board that all of a sudden boxing people becomes a lot weirder.
You might have to read an early box just because somebody hit a fourth-second arrow.
It's really toxic to play against in the late game.
It's close.
Arrow for Osh, take that.
X, XS.
Only got a buyback but wants to get a DKB. Says now's the time.
This game is so weird, like nobody wants to go in first.
Just see how you just feel bad things are gonna happen to you.
Spot X, XS, Mika actually instable concoctions.
Thinking an opportunity was gonna present itself.
More arrow, more store storm information.
The chemical rage is going to go on cooldown pretty soon here.
Got the old shot in the remaster.
Man, is he with the vacuum on top of that?
Reaper's side immediately puts a UC.
I'm just going to protect him for now, but Ex-Nova's not getting anything off.
FY's going to get chased down as well, trying to get off the tear rise,
but the Bachelor will be able to stop him.
Aame putting damage on a Foxy.
Glimmer can he still survive?
Here comes that epicenter!
Mikae!
A lot of damage!
They'll burn him out over time, a little bit more damage.
It's a lot.
There's another epicenter. They didn't have enough.
Mikae!
Oh, he finally goes down.
Finally, they took a long time.
time the wheel caught Nisha in the end no buyback here from the alchemist because
you bought that ax earlier the liquid now FB2 will kill the dark seer as well
but Nisha got out he saved his VKB that entire time did not get bashed there
yet to remember he didn't get bashed at any time oh true somehow escapes they got
the ringmaster first that's a huge deal they got double buyback including that
sanking buyback out of the true gaming but will it be their version that's the
question here no buyback on that alchemist because he bought out for that
aggs means you're gonna be missing that big presence from mckay i don't think
you can contest this without maybe you go for a steal you a lot of vision you
have the clockwork you have darts here back you have a marana who can leap in
and this is still available for tofu you know box he's gonna go for it if you
happen to go for this a lot of information to be actually jumping
inside the pit for a quick star storm didn't out jetpack still gets the clockwork
some distance in the trees put shots over the left over denisha he survives
for now. X-XS couldn't find his mark. Runs up to tofu, actually hit the stop. Nothing
to say could maybe follow that up with a burrow strike, but he declines the opportunity.
Amé was going to eat some creeps and tried to heal up here. She got mad for the burrow.
Somebody has to pick this up though. Jetpack, they're going to get information. Can they
make that steal here? Foxy, it's a four step in. Agents on the ground. Can he get the
graphic graphic graphic? They didn't want to go for it. Nothing to say doesn't drop anything
to grab that extra life. Now, hooks on away. No, Boxy actually misses the hook shot. So
Ultimately gave up the ages for two support kills. I feel like extreme or perfectly fine with that
It's one of those weird situations where yeah, how much does the ages actually matter?
Yeah, it does matter for the clink's going high ground
But if you get kills that also let you go high ground you can argue me
Like maybe you're okay with that exchange how annoying this clock were spent because he doesn't have by
He is off the map for 75 seconds. This piranha also has no buy though. That is gold base
They don't necessarily I know it is timer base. All right
No, it's gold base. They don't know that.
And you have what? You can make an easy push. You've got both Banner and Burning Armin.
And a Centaur. So this is going to be very easy for Extreme to poke.
And...
Unfortunately, there's his Tier 2 bottoms. They could get two lanes off of this push if they really wanted to.
Necropo is going to come back. You took the Wisdom Shrine, which got him to level 30.
So the Reaper Scythe is doing a lot more damage, but doesn't matter when the Reaper Scythe aren't necessarily killing the claims
He's had to use them on supports most of these fights, and I want to lend on to the aildisk didn't do anything
Backing to stop the initiation on Nisha they use nullifier for that one and see what can caution a little bit late to get a big a
We stun hits the centaur, but they have to back out wheel plus burning barrage damage keeps them at bay
That's PKB for the elk. They made the epicenter
Will it be enough? The Terrorite comes in!
Nisha! He pops his BKBs, but the Alchemist could not stay alive!
The supports are almost back up now, but look at what everything that Liquid has expended.
They've lost their Alchemist, they've used their BKBs.
They make the rope for another push.
They used a lot.
Still in the epicenter available. They're gonna pass Lotusist to NTS.
He's gonna reach in his mana here, has a full other go.
He just changed up the hell out of Miike there.
That was super sick operating there for nothing to say.
And it's that high ground ward.
They place the ops, they scout them, that ward does not get killed.
You see the vision to go for this play.
Still a glyph available for liquid.
Another easy lane.
But yeah, they're not going to use it there.
And now you have to think about Maga's.
Alex still no buyback available.
I mean, they get back to where the tier 2.
I'm pretty sure that Kling's has the damage.
Yes, they could.
If they recognize it, which they should.
But the question here is if you're a streaming game, are you assuming Mickey doesn't have
fun?
There's kind of no way you assume it here.
He's an alchemist.
That's 60 minutes.
He has to have the gold, right?
Of course.
But most of that gold is on Nisha.
He actually had like 12,000 gold.
Wind Waker doesn't stop.
Nullifier placed on the clockwork, so he's likely to die here for the bloodthorne.
Back him, Kater initiation doesn't do much here.
It's only really catching the Centaur. Ame is managing to keep his distance.
A Harpoon, even if they do get him, helps him reset his positioning.
That's curious, these Vax look. They're not doing anything.
Yeah, they're not.
You have too many resets with Stampede plus double box.
It's really just like a momentary stun that stops the follow-up.
If you catch the clinch, that's kind of the ideal.
Like, you're gonna suck him into the wall.
Probably forces him to pop BKB, and then he'll be out, can just jump him, trade BKB, stun bash him.
unbashed him.
I mean, Ami is not so threatened by his, I think he's just heart poop.
No, no, no, to me, well, her game pikes, right?
Yeah, if he gets out of it.
But at least then you're forcing some items on him, sure.
I mean, what else is this wall really doing in this game?
Not a whole lot.
It's just a big, oh look at it, smoke through the base.
Please, they catch me again, oh my god.
It's me, it's looking right past them.
It made the jump off to the necrophos instead.
Nisha's chained up for now, but the VKB is going to go off now, the Wind Waker.
This is a little bit of trouble for extreme gaming.
and they get a Reaper side kill somewhere in here.
Box one gets used, Ex-Nova trying to chase away.
Nothing to say, it's like it's an arrow!
Oh, what an arrow from Tophal catches him
as he makes a jump in, and now he's gonna be
the one to get a Reaper side.
Ex-Nova got chased away, they have to stay
people retreating out and liquid.
They need picks, they need more than just one hero.
They need multiple.
They're gonna get FYO off of this.
Just one extra kill is not the worst.
It is a gem laid down, but the fact is,
They should know that the same king doesn't have buyback, an opportunity for liquid.
Opportunity and danger on the same, there are two different sides of the same coin though.
If they go for that high ground push, they might just end the game on themselves if they lose it.
Power, Marana, you land those arrows, it changes the whole game.
That was a devastating arrow for that same king to blink into, and now you have the multi-shot.
That was before the triple arrow, right? Now it's all not...
I believe Nisha slaughtered in Lincoln's for this play and then nullifier hit the Lincoln's. Oh, I see it
Yeah, and so he's ghost-routed here, and you can't hit him. It was a surprise Lincoln slot onto the boots
That's a great idea. That's a great idea. Yeah, that's the air we blinked right into it
Insanely clutch
I'm the liquid midliner here. Look at the region on the south. It's just stupid
It's just a battle of reach and against overwhelming DPS from the Sand King
Man, that Lincoln's just completely caught extreme gaming off guard.
What happened in that one?
Extreme gaming had been winning so many fights.
Let us slip up.
And now, that's what could have completely caught liquid off guard though.
They were not expecting that smoke through the top lane.
It was a good idea.
Initially it did look like they weren't taking anything for it.
Right?
Like, even as Necro survived.
was getting out and then Sankin blinked into that arrow presenting the opportunity for liquid
now liquid's getting a fresh round of items they're gonna change up their item builds a little bit
we're seeing you know Nisha's is swapping in item after item again diminishing returns on all this
because he keeps selling some item to buy some other item he's back up to 12 000 net uh net worth
on himself that it's not being used so 18 000 net worth lead is basically nothing because there's
just so many heroes holding gold you get to your part neutral zone triple minotaur horn a divine
Reagalia is the choice for tofu tofu said I'm gonna have to carry this game
You should be able to keep it right pretty rare. He dies unless the game just implodes
Manitar horn to deal with the same king damage. I kind of like they did get the Stygian on all me
He took life steal for it
Very interesting. I can dig it
My big question will be is there an upgrade here for NTS this conjures catalyst is pretty nasty
He could roll a set of items that aren't really that much better
Yeah, you're a hundred percent right right if it's he do you think he should
Get the stigian desolator as well if it's presented. Yes, and then should yes, that is a damage upgrade
You have to zoom that's also interesting on this hero. Yeah, I feel like there's three items there an upgrade
You got pretty bad. We got a pretty bad role. I
Think it's either keep the catalyst or take the zoom here
That's a lot of health trunk on this item now, 35%.
Yeah, but it's...
A lot of spells, you know, in our team, like, I mean...
I feel like that AWE is still very effective because the way Lich would want it to play fights, right?
Yeah, it's...
They want to stay so split, but that AWE increase is so massive that it gets to it.
Just the right...
You can't refuse to zoom in on this hero, I think.
It's built for this hero.
There's the last axe, but we'll assume.
And fourth, going into that clockwork.
Alright, have we gone over, we got level 330 on the clink, so making sure we haven't
missed anything, uh, any big talent pickups?
I think so.
Our item changes, everybody's pretty much there.
Exoba did take the escape back, 25 talent, so that is now a strong dispellant flying,
which is important in this game for the arrows.
That actually does change boxing someone on an arrow.
And Tofu plays so aggressive off this.
With his Eon Disassuming, he's always gonna be able to get back out.
They are not letting Ex-Ex-S take this outpost.
And at some point,
Liquid may jump in, not necessarily on the Centaur.
You don't want to jump that guy.
You need to find supports for the Clinks.
And Boxing, with his Agatom Scepter, gives vision of the full area.
Right? He could spot the Ringmaster. They can make the goal on him.
Ringmaster is...
Public enemy number one.
Escape back to the strong dispel. You have to take it out. Just too powerful
But how do you get to him with a four-staff glimmer cape blink dagger E on disc and who's sitting way in the back
It's it's really difficult. You need surprise angles or some like distraction on the front line while you take the
The wrap around yeah, I don't think there's any way you just kind of casually go past the centaur
You know like you're sitting on one side you hook shot past him or something like that the whole team has to give it up and around
around, you could go on the Centaur and try and vacuum the fight behind him to catch the
ringmaster.
Like, use that going on the Centaur as a bait to draw this backline in from extreme gaming.
Sometimes that's a tactic that can give you some freedom in the fight.
The thing is, you have to worry about the lanes.
You lost two lanes at Barracks.
These are constantly pushing in.
So, I want us to go back.
There's map advantage for XG right now, and all Bobax are available in this game except
the ringmaster, oddly enough.
Hey, we talked about, like, Necro can just bots to vacuum it at the fight, but if the
The fight has already been initiated.
It could be rough.
Yeah, it's very likely that she would win it.
Oh, it lands.
And that kinda swells the smoke play here.
These are so annoying.
Oh, he jumped!
Oh!
Got a nullifier and stuff.
Like, that is the one hero that could actually stop you.
He hits the stop and nullifier.
Is that an opening here for Liquid?
Yeah, spotted the Sankeen.
Got the little hookshot on him.
Plus the vacuum.
Everything they can, the cogs,
didn't actually keep them inside there.
He burrows strikes the way to the side.
The Abyssal Blade, I'm up, Stampede, they're gonna run for it.
just pushing into these heroes. Here comes the arrow. They're gonna hit the Centaur.
Getting slain.
Ex Nova's coming in. He's gonna try and save him with an old Fires place Tom.
It looks like he got a BKB first. Ex Nova surrounded by heroes. They're really grouped up.
The Reaper's side is gonna be put to use this.
He's gonna throw a flash on Anisha. And X-X-S, he's still alive. Hit the stop.
Ame's in trouble though. Ace caught him inside the vacuum.
Ace on A. He's healing up. He's good for now. A bash lands on Ace.
And that's gonna be the death of him. The Rigo from Midgate.
Without a chemical rage. Not so easy. But look at the damage there for the Star Sword
GARSTORN PLUS THESE SHOULD COME IN!
HUGE HEAPS OF MAGIC DAMAGE!
BRING DOWN AMAGE!
They got the Sanking out, that's the only saving grace here for Extreme Gaming,
otherwise the Bioback from the Necrophos does its job here on the side of Liquid.
It's changed for the Centaur Bioback as well, didn't honestly cost Liquid too much to power through this fight.
They bring down the Necrophos, it just takes so much time.
And that was with the Reaper, not finishing the Centaur off.
At enough magic resistance, he popped B2B or Mentor Horn at the end.
And that's no, but he almost won't be cushioned over that clip. Oh, there's a bit of difference in that play
He's able to skirt out at the top, but then he gets hit by an arrow. These arrows are just
Insanely annoying. Star Storm, how much damage did Clint take from these Star Storms? It's insane. Tofu backs out
Then he's gonna come back in with another round. Late game marauders. It's something else with this talent, like here he is.
It's incredibly difficult to play against. Maybe the Serals of Liability in other stages of the game
but right now he is proving his worth in spades.
Now Liquid's gonna take another Roshan.
It's a 69 minute Roshan though.
So again, the question is how much do these items
actually do for you?
The banner is very powerful.
Refresher on one of these heroes could help.
And in fact, you need the refresher for Micke.
Aegis for Nisha's Knights
because he does not have buyback right now.
This is a great Aegis carrier.
How tanky he is, how difficult he is to bring down.
But at the same time, that puts you into the enemy base
where I feel like extreme gaming, like this formation setup, we talked about it for game one,
I think it's the same for game two, you going into the enemy base here, it's really tough.
There's only one epicenter available right now, that helps, but actually you're gonna
get everybody up, and you gotta keep the five acts in mind, they didn't expend a lot of
five acts to try and salvage that situation, just cut their losses.
the one on the same team which means the centaur yes oh yeah centaur sorry which
means like maybe it is worth going for that kill I kind of worked out for them
in that last fight anyway in a way it pulled the ex nova for it I almost
wonder if ex nova just shouldn't is it crazy to say he shouldn't try and save
centaur if the centaur is buyback I think that argument's all more valid yes
for sure keep because he put himself really far he was going real whip in
in the fight. He wasn't playing necessarily a whole lot of box action now.
There is some comms in these types of situations of like, okay, I'm gonna sit on the phone
line, I have buyback, if they go on me, don't want to over-commit with the ringmaster, maintain
your position, we'll play the second half. It could be something to consider here on
the side, I assume, because you are that important. You know, getting four boxes off in a fight
is not unrealistic at all when these fights go so long, and it's a big difference compared
to two. There is a career slain for Aume.
Yeah, he was trying to get Divine Rape here, interesting.
Which he bought in Double Demon Edge.
One for MKB, one for Divine.
Which is pretty insane.
Banner's gonna get dropped here.
So here comes the siege from Liquid.
Big AoE.
Deathmatch came clear out the siege wagons though, so...
That's pretty nice.
That is very efficient.
That is the same game.
He can still get a Vistleblade, which, you know, adding in one more guaranteed stun,
He can also get Divine Rapier.
He can also get Divine Rapier, and he can also get Nullifier,
which they do have a slight Nullifier problem.
Like, having an over-Sentor is not easy for you to get that Nullifier on at the right time.
Much easier for Sankeen, Borough, Nullifier.
Right? 1-2.
It's easier said than done, though. It's always...
You know, just Nullifier, this guy.
He's leaping around, he's already win-way, it gets really weird really quickly.
Sure. I wouldn't mind it here.
We're gonna talk about it, but the outpooled all those aggs, and I was like the insane Greevils Greek,
and he's completely six-lawed, and now he has Daedalus, Swiplink, Abyssal,
Nullifier. He gets on top of all of them, and he's gonna shred them.
We also have level 25 on Boxy. That- the teamfights are kind of crazy with that.
You have full vision of all heroes all the time. Back you back on too with the Unstable Concoction.
Got the Amp just in FY. He's already forced half himself away. A quick go, but no retreat.
Ace got caught in the wheel, so he's gonna have to BKB to get out of here.
A lot more expended from Liquid than it was Extreme. Those BKBs are very important.
Still poking at these tier three, I mean, just keep throwing the arrows, maybe eventually an
opportunity presents itself. It's just so hard to go high ground in these games.
Wow, man, this is not a clear way to do it. You don't want to sit somebody up there,
Especially with necrophos ages. He's not taking the building so it's kind of pointless to even test that I think Nisha is now going back
I'm like, okay now survivability isn't the problem. Maybe it's damn it
Like maybe I just need to do more damage over time
More well-meaning blank heart the way you do damages you survive
Is it enough this super late game right it has to be there's nothing else to pull out
Well, he's popping out items thinking there's gonna be some magical build that will guarantee the win
Yeah, yeah, moon shards.
Yeah, we still have moon shards to be able to start pulling those moon shards.
Not that moon shards are terribly effective on their heroes.
Really, Liquid don't do a whole lot of right-clicking and all except for the Elk, who is going to buy himself one very soon.
If he really bobble in this game, we have only the one on FY
Took feverish
Currently at 50% cool down
Or 50% bonus on the cooldown reductions that the bedlam attack target, so do I feel like everybody goes terrorize impact damage?
Yeah, when is he getting good bedlam?
I don't know. Maybe I saw the balance. It's not blinking there and bedlam someone to death. Yeah
Yeah, I mean, he went to the Bedlam, maybe it was the commitment at the 15, he was like,
well, I went to Bedlam, damage.
Now I have to get the attack targets one.
You could technically scale Bobble infallibly here.
I remember a Bedlam.
At some point.
Well, you could take the damage in two.
Yeah, okay.
Sure.
Bedlam will do a thousand attack damage per second on multiple targets.
That sounds pretty hype.
Could be.
I mean, it really does seem like this game is in a stalemate.
I mean, actually, you like the light game.
They're both playing a stalemate where they're pulsating on the side of their base.
Both teams are in their base right now, both expecting that the enemy team is gonna try
and make a move like Liquid finally gave up their siege and they're probably saying,
okay, Streamer gonna go for a smoke out now.
It's just both teams sitting in the corner of the room like, come on, bro, come on, come
on, come fight me, no you come fight me.
Both Liquid and Extreme Gaming are counter punches and now no punches are being thrown.
Yeah, you have to wonder what the comms are like right now.
Don't worry, let's bait them in guys.
sitting at two lanes of barracks or sorry no they never took that bottom lane of
barracks the thing is all the buybacks are available I think both things are
waiting for that one core that was on cooldown they're gonna call it the exact
same time there's no advantage to be gained here really yeah liquid had the
matter map map state momentum but their buyback is more crucial I'm sure yeah
for sure so they give up that that position still racks advantage for XG if
they want to just kind of play the map game look for some power runes look for
Nexro, Sean, if they feel like someone can use Aegis well,
you start giving it to Sephortz or something.
I really want to.
Give it to the ringmaster.
Nexnobot needs an Aegis in this game.
He might, he might.
I'm not even kidding, I think it's
potentially pretty good here.
It does sound pretty sick.
But when the Winged Stream push outside of the base,
fights are so much harder because of this clockwork.
Oh, he's a mess.
With the Ag's Rocket Flare, he's spamming the entire map,
But he's getting vision of you all the time.
And there's no way for Ex Nova to just be able to be out of sight.
Twinkle stall.
Nice, but extreme.
I'm not really following that up.
Still, they get the BKB out of BKB.
That might be good enough.
He's a play loader sort of himself.
What a fact!
Get though!
A five-man vacuum!
He's second-hand up!
A second walk into it.
He's gonna get these illusions.
Don't really do too much.
What a shot!
And the epicenter from nothing to stay kept liquid away.
Still though, he's not going anywhere.
He's arrowed up.
He's arrowed fair.
Now the hook shot.
They're laying on the center, left side, they're going for X-Milton, he's got him on site, the Reaper site, he's gonna fall.
Now Nisha pushing forward.
X-Milton is playing well.
Ame trying to turn back around, got the little fire onto Nisha, pops BKB, Surge.
He pulls him back in with the back, he wants X-XS.
Tofu still hunting for the skill, and FY, FY, another glimmer, KB dies.
Die backs.
Expend it from extreme, trying to get back to their base.
Ace, not letting Ame get back easy. Tofu goes in as well, unable to get to the interceptor.
Blinkens blocks that one, the arrow's gonna whiff.
Double buyback expended from XG. Liquid's still everything available.
Waiting for the Reaper only, pretty much.
The Darkseer spells are gonna come up. The Moronus spells are gonna come up.
Roche could spawn in the next minute and a half. What a sick vacuum.
Man, Scott, that vacuum was so good, even though you had no follow-up.
XG is just like, we need to get the hell out of here. I don't know what's happening.
Panic Panic Panic get me out of this fight stampede me to victory and honestly dead me pieces gaming so far the arrows
Yes, don't have answers for this multi-shot arrow going through the flight at some point somebody gets arrowed
And then it's like alright that guy is gonna die
Yeah, almost nothing you can do about it unless a boxade comes through which you're not gonna be able to position for that every time
Right, he's either getting pinged by rocket players
So we can't play again or he blinks in and they have full vision and throw Clarence to to get him instead
Just a nasty combination here.
Boxing with the cheese, he's alive,
and he has this like get me out of here,
tanks an arrow to the knee,
and that'll end his same career in this fight.
No longer an adventure, he'll stay inside the base to guard home.
He's going to have nightmares of arrows after this game.
He really has been ruined.
Just so much HP to get through.
I mean, the whole game with Marana late game is just something else.
You're playing a mini game of sorts where you're just,
It's some sort of weird bullet hell
Where you're just always trying to micro your units positioning not to get hit by the thing that kills you
It's the super low cooldown on the tri arrow and the super low cooldown on moonlight shadow that makes us hero
There's such a miss. I mean FY is building for
The enchanters bubble because we saw when you this happened with high lung
The problem was not the the cooldown. It was getting as many mad stones as he could it's tough to farm them up
Yeah, which is where and the Midas helps you
How do we get in get an axe it doesn't even do anything like
What even does anything to change the fight more wind wakers more hexes I
Guess you can get to a point where your spells have zero cooldown you can just
Gatling gun rambles on some of chain terrorize people. I don't know you get what I rise you blink after them terrorize again
the future is an interesting place it could be could be but the present
liquid are going to claim another ocean again we've gone at nonceam about how
these items aren't necessarily the most game-changing just dropping couple to
overload like around so you can pick stuff up I was making it take his
health okay that is how I don't even know who's how that is here comes the
Yeah, rocket flares, getting information.
Oh, Nisha wants his helmet back.
Okay, but he still has the gold creep here.
Big, big gold.
That's 19 HP.
19% HP bonus, that.
Hell yeah.
Pretty significant.
They have all agonist up their upgrades,
all shard upgrades, everything even.
Moonshard on the Alchemist.
All right, if ace hits the right kind of vacuum,
Micky could make the coolest play,
Fallen Sky Unstable Concaution Combo.
Oh yeah, that sounds juicy right here.
And here we are. All this power and a 500 HP tower just been whittled away.
43 damage a hit from range creeps.
You think there should be some sort of like ultra item coming out of Roshan?
Roshan like number 7 or 8 gives you... I don't even know what...
I don't want to reward that. I don't know if you want to go in any deeper than you already are.
They make their jump vacuum! Oh my god, the Clicks! And BexNova couldn't get off the box in time!
He's so fast!
He died instantly! Okay!
That was convincing. That was very convincing.
We just got Rocket Flared? I don't even know what that is. I feel like that's a bug death somewhere or something.
Well, that's two Vibax down. Only one available for Extreme Gaming here.
As liquid are grinding out the wind
Well, they see the clink scurrier with the divine on it disassembled but you can still stop it getting there
Yeah, I have enough leaves on the ride. He's gonna find it clink stuff to get off good micro there
So you'll now it's off the map
I don't think you can do anything about this
There's a little area next to the base where it comes off of that that high ground area
Look at it! They're trying to find it with the rocket flares and arranged it!
So this is a minigame right here. Oh my god, it's spotted. You can't kill it.
Once it's on the side of the map, it's a pot. I don't think there's anything.
Yeah, I feel like a sniper or something.
It goes over the abyss?
Oh, it does.
Okay, well, the mine rape, you're done.
It doesn't really change anything if Aame gets caught in another insane vacuum-unstable concoction.
I think Snowba has played this game extremely well. I think that was the only
time where you could really say like oh no. Because I think he blocks the centaur
who was nullified and he didn't get a box off on Ame at all. Don't think he got
anything. I think it was just too fast. And the damage was. They're gonna have to take a smoke fight with no
buys available effectively. Trying to get some sleep. What is he positioning? The necrophos.
He pops right into the base. Arrow, Sheeva's, getting a lot of information, but they need not know.
Nothing stays. Looking for this epicenter initiation. Terrorized, went out. Nothing to fall in.
How do you kill anybody in this game anymore? There's XG. I just don't see it.
There's that jump with the nullifier. Little pick-off. Now the epicenter initiation though.
Hit Ace with the nullifier, but he's still got off the BKB to make sure he runs forth.
makes her run for it. The refresh, he burrows, struck it out of there.
Midcase almost dead. The winnaker saves him.
Amai's trying to set up the burning barrage. They didn't get him.
I thought the burning barrage would get the kill, surely, but it doesn't.
And now, somebody's skilling.
He's healing up. He's got the block of cheese.
The shield is back up. The Camel Courage in 13 seconds.
And all the meanwhile, Nisha is on the front lines,
hitting the barracks, 50 damage a shot.
You got to do something here if you're extreme gaming last epicenter got a nullifier on Tanisha
He doesn't really care and wait it out. Thanks. You get that back to you
Go for the centaur at the counter play second epicenter
This starts here once again in this time
It'll do it no escape from the epicenter this time around next post does manage to get the blank way
I know but couldn't quit the arrow comes through the star storm. That's my back and without that team fight
Extreme gaming. We're gonna have to do it off their single target damage and it
almost does. The Wind Waker cannot save Nisha here. Does a buyback though. Will he
commit it? Or are liquid just gonna back off? Is Mega's worth it to buy back here?
Are you willing to push the throw? The Varadar right clicks.
Arrow, try to back him and back into one of these arrows.
Caught the Necklace. Caught the Mollifier on him. There goes the box though.
4 staffed and Ex Nova got pushed in somehow! Who did that?
He went in!
Who was that?
I think he just went in!
Ex Nova!
You insane madman! He almost kills himself by doing that. There's no way you intended
that, right?
It is played on the Centaur. The Centaur is no longer the taking hero that he once was.
You have to get the vacuum back on to Ex Nova. Ex Nova! Make it a run for it. He doesn't
have box charges anymore. That's going to be Megas.
They have to find kills here.
They push it forward, a fight back, used on nothing to say.
Two minutes on the centaur, a four versus five.
Extreme gaming.
Can they make the hole?
That is a four.
The air goes forward now, and they will land to the army.
Liquid.
Do not jump back in for it.
Maybe they still will, McCain.
He thinks it's an opportunity on civil concoction.
Got the BKB at a clink.
BKB on cool down for 90 seconds.
That is still a window to be utilized, maybe.
Oh, he's just trying to take cool.
It's here on the team's retreating.
Tier 4's are gone, the throne is now exposed with no glyph!
On extreme!
They don't have the best building hitters!
Is Luka gonna wait for the darkseer to be up here?
Still block of cheese running.
If you get BKBs, can you all enthrone? It might be closer, there's that abyssal and the chainsaw from the San King.
He's just trying to build a new item, man! He's trying to get a tenth item!
Maybe the double hearts can combine or something. He's
Such a point is too much gold. I
Feel like we are at that point if it exists. I
Will say we joked about the peddler attack targets
It's also pretty nice for clearing out the necro book units. Yeah
Yeah, I don't know if you first saw this scenario. Oh my god, you know, it's about defending the throne
It's another round of manstones to be to be gotten to
Look at how far this marauder is dude. Hell yeah, this is the bottom of every pot of players dreams.
Level 30, divine regalia. Yeah, Moonlight Shadow is almost up every single fight.
What was the last time he even died this game? I can't even remember. It's been a minute. It's been
a while. I think if XG could start the fight with anybody dead in this game, it might be
the problem. Just take the arrows out of the fight. It won't deal with the rest, but it's
impossible. You'll never find go through in this game. No, there's no reason to ever
be in danger when the arrows are in a way your win condition. They set it up so much.
That and the vacuum unstable concoction, those are the two ways that Liquid... You can also
back them into the aeros. It's pretty much guaranteed.
Yeah, that is what's really annoying.
And then you're forcing the ringmaster to sacrifice his positioning.
Liquid do have buyback advantage right now.
They also have a 66k gold advantage.
I don't know how much that counts for. It's slated into the game, but it is there.
Dota Plus still says it's a 93-7 game.
Hmm.
Heavily favoring Liquid, I guess, off of the Mega Creeps.
For sure.
They're pretty advantaged here.
You do see that extreme gaming don't have the best heroes to clear it out, as you said.
It's like Bedlam is actually helping them quite a bit, but between the creeps always
pushing in and the rocket flares always hitting them.
There is no move for extreme to make.
They can't ever catch you unawares.
I think that's where that smoke up to the top part of the map earlier came from.
Because there was just like, well, you have to desperately try to find some way to get
an opening.
crazy creative angle to ever do that and I think they're just gonna resolve
themselves to defending the throne. Their glyph is coming up in another minute
here they will have the clings by and the centaur by. Liquid are losing a bit of
this window however if they never want to try and haul in it without Necrophos
buyback then it's irrelevant. Yeah it's like you could win the game right now
but... Define Rapier and Ranaan. A magic rapier. Yeah I mean buy all of those.
hold your octarene, your aion disk, and then buy four divine ravers.
So this is a 700 damage star storm hit that gets you know you're potentially
getting hit by a 4 or whatever nonsense.
Waits instantly dies every single time this is pretty easy right here
Okay, how far out okay nevermind. Sorry. I thought every banner maybe they should do this every banner expands
But it caps out of 12 so they'll have yet another banner to put into extreme gaming space to start the assault
Very good. Very good here. They're also just deciding what mutual creeps they want with these Dom's.
I don't know if there's anything that breaks this game. Time Warp War is good.
Ace currently has a hearty storm crafter, which still has the night vision, as far as I'm aware.
Extreme Gamer, remind me what was set up here. This is the survival phase. Whoever loses this series is out of EWC.
The winner has the pleasure of going up against Team Spirit to try and make it to playoffs.
Extreme Gaming, if they make the comeback, will get the 2-0.
And what a comeback it would be.
For Knoxville, he says, even Extreme Gaming managed to win this.
This will be at least the second biggest net worth comeback of all time.
And you know who made the biggest comeback of all time, Avery?
Team Liquid.
Damn, what was that?
liquid against ITB at the TI-10 Western European qualifiers. Into the breach.
Well, they're always involved in these games. That seems their fate.
And that, indeed, indeed.
Double divine for Almey. That is worth mentioning here.
He will have his buyback available, but if he goes down, that's just such a big damage loss.
Another block of cheese is available for liquid. They still have ages for four minutes here.
and they put a harpy stormcrafter on the cliff bottom as a permanent ward.
So, uh,
he's just surveying the domain.
Oh, I get it. I like it as if they didn't already know if streams every
what's happening, even need any extra vision mechanics.
But it liquid is in case the nine rocket flares and the 52nd
run all didn't scout them.
That stormy that stormcrafter might do the job.
This is the kind of shit you have to do when you have a lineup that simply does not scale with divine rapiers
Okay, they're setting toluen
Here comes the arrows
X6S does manage to dodge it banner is out there holding the creeps here comes the you'll set up onto that arrow
Didn't drop the arrow throughout the instable concoction BKB commitment. There's the box. It's enough meanwhile
That's the center initiation was beautiful
That's right the Marana
That's you move flew too close to the Sun
Oh lost his life and the Divine Rapier which nobody has the slots to pick it up by the access is okay
I got it. Does he even want that? What does that even do for him? No, I think it's purely just to take it away
Yeah, but you could have given it to somebody. I don't think anybody
Nobody wants it. I guess nobody wants to be in the position to pick that up, right?
The risk is too high to go there to grab
And nothing to say, I mean he's had so many sick initiations throughout this game.
And gets that nullifier connection on the morana too.
Yeah.
I think you would take the vinyl sanking, but he needs nullifier too badly in this game.
Having extra damage doesn't do anything if you can't connect it here.
A 92 minute game on our hands and we're getting clawed back a little bit.
We still have some heroes without level 30, FY is being spotted by the Rocket Flares.
He's both trying to get his level 30 and his mad stones.
He's farming up that bobble.
Get those mad stones.
I mean these poles are getting pretty low cooldown, like a lot.
30 second cooldown terrorized.
I'm looking at 8 second per ammo.
The next round, will he have permanent shadow realm?
Is it 6.5 duration for a 7.7 second pool map?
I think you will have it next.
Yeah.
So it's going to be like a 0.1 difference or something.
Yeah, I did it with an AWE stun.
Well, he's your party.
Yeah, you do have arrow, which they do have plenty of them.
No doubt.
But then you hit him, but he has E on disk,
and you can't nullify him while he's in the shadow realm.
You know what I'm saying?
Sure, man.
Sure.
You keep doing anything that's going on.
You keep theorizing how to kill a Dark Willow as it has any relevance on this late game.
Like, as I've played anything in the last 30 minutes, not the fault of it.
The zero spells are not that relevant here.
Okay, you say that now, but in another 30 minutes, okay, the Dark Willow will be the problem.
Alright, they're scouting, they're setting the arrows, and oh man, it's just getting shrunked.
Yeah, look at all the damage he's taken, he's almost setting up the box, he's trying to get back down.
He said that's gonna be a buyback using the defying wrappers on the deck.
He's gotta get to him, he's gotta pick him up.
He's gonna pick him back up.
The Gliff hasn't been used yet.
Oh, but look at all the damage.
He has to Gliff down.
Here comes the epicenter initiation.
Managing down the Alchemist.
Alchemist almost dead.
Another Fist of Blade.
Where's the rest of his team?
Man, it's just nothing to say.
He did all the damage while Necrophos got caught in Extreme
Gaming's trap.
And it's the epicenter.
The Alchemist is gonna get used.
And here's the Alchemist.
Here it comes.
Fallen's got Sons of Throne.
It's the Summoner.
There's more damage.
They got it.
Liquid.
93 minute victory and we're going to a game three
I don't know how this how do we always end up in these series of liquid where it just becomes some complete late game shit
That's but time and time again. They go the distance of it
They are a scary late game team
Get the push it there taking extreme to the max
You know the funny thing is like at a certain point some of these heroes that are supposed to be such late game powerhouses
Start to do almost nothing. Yeah, and the heroes that are like complete trash become the hero
Like the true hero. Yeah, it's like, you know, this piranha is MVP of the like right that clockwork rocket flares
Like you can't deal with the rocket flares. I'll make this last fight
You just dying this 800 damage star storms nuking him down your necrophos is getting changed and obliterated
You're out to barely all in the throne. It's always the supporting cast that gets the job done in the end and
And uh, well this game, the supporting cast of both sides did a lot.
It's the legendary matchup, I mean, two organizations that have been around, two teams that are
full of players that have been here since the dawn of Dota, basically, and, uh, well,
these two old dogs refuse to die, they will push each other to game three.
Only five Reaper stacks on the necropolt.
Only five?
That was how tough a time.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
He could not get a Reaper side kill this season.
It's not on him.
It's the ringmaster counter.
Did a lot of work in this game.
The amount of saves you go in these late game scenarios.
It's just hard to connect a Reaper anyway.
You're just spamming death balls hoping for the best.
Yeah, there is some saying in me,
like veteran experience counts for a lot in the late game.
Yeah, you better hope you have the better veterans
in this matchup because game three,
I don't know what game three is going to bring,
but you have to expect sub-scale might be on the menu.
If I'm one of these coaches, it might just be another long game.
If I'm going backstage, I'm saying, give me Spectre, give me his faceless Void, give me something that has a guaranteed late game punch, because I don't want to try and win these 90-minute battles with having to land a reaper.
One side's going to first pick Zeus, and they're going to be like, oh, god, they're going to be Tylong as gods.
The only answer that Tylong plays is Spectre, to instantly global kill him.
You think I'm joking, but I legit think we might see some really weird draft where like neither team is confident about tempoing out a game.
It's one of the other. It's absolutely one of the other.
It completely tries to overwhelm you by surprise.
Yeah, it's got to be a 15 minute game or a 100 minute game.
You have to flip the coin and decide which is going to be and try and draft for that.
And just hope you win that debut.
I will say, I think NTS had a ridiculous game.
And he had a very nice game won.
He's kind of cooking today.
If I'm XG, I'm kind of looking to him, and I think it's the same, the midlaners for both teams, if I'm Liquid,
like, what does Nisha want to play in a game 3, especially if it goes late?
Because I think he did run into some issues on this network. It's just how the hero works.
It's not a member, it's not a storm, it's not a traditional late game Nisha powerhouse.
You might want to go back to one of those for this pivotal game.
Well, whatever's about to happen, ladies and gentlemen, I'm sure it's going to be a crazy game 3 to close out this series,
but first, we've got to go back to the panel to break down a 90-minute game. Good luck!
Thank you very much gentlemen. It's gonna be a pleasure breaking this one down or at least attempting to as we do
Game one 17 minutes game two 90 minutes. I hope everybody's ready for a game three
Two hours
Sounds about right. I mean, I'll be fine
I'm just hoping the players will because these games must be exhausting today like
So much pressure and in such a high pressure environment
I'm thinking of Liquid, like their tournament life on the line for 90 minutes and they all tied. It's pretty impressive
Yeah, it's insane. Like in an hour and a half long game, like you need to keep your focus and find a way because
These teams have they have been in multiple of these situations
But every game is kind of different like with all these changes in Dota with the neutral items with the changes
That's your five neutral items how they work with the enchantments and everything trying to find a way how to potentially close out the game as well
And you can see them try like with the helm of the overloads necro books all the chenane against bots do try
Maybe try to go for some kind of a play on the other side
But the a a didn't it just didn't pay off and every single time we see mega creeps
It's just got like there's almost no coming back from megas now
There's one thing that one touch pump first did tofu change your mind on the Marana because he did make it look good
You gotta agree with that towards the latest stage of the game. Yes like moonlight shadow
you know triple arrow like aghanims like like all the damage like it is very
at the beginning i'm still not sure i have to say that i at the beginning of this game which is
like first 40 minutes or beginning in general i mean i don't know the lane was pretty tough center
was having the freeest time of his life and i think it's related to demirana uh yeah i don't know like
yes okay he slightly changed my mind but uh i'm okay with them not picking it again let's put it this
this way. That's fair enough. All right. So where do we want to start with breaking this
down? Because it was a crazy game. I think one of the key points that we saw from Team
Liquid, we heard SPG say it already. Nisha had a really tough time on his necrophones.
Only five reprecise stacks. If you look at the score, it doesn't seem like he had that
battle of the time. Seven two deaths in 90 minute game. Like you're basically dying every
45 minutes, which sounds pretty good. Yeah. When you think about it this way, but it's
But also, yeah, playing against Sanking, getting zoned out, playing against the double Nullifier,
Amei did pick up one, Exorcist did pick up, let's call it early Nullifier on a Centaur in this one.
And also, playing against the Box, which was one of the biggest issues, knowing that he can't really go and kill off the guy.
How many times do you see, like, the card saved, the Box saved, the Stampede with the Box just running out of the fight multiple times?
I like the adjustments that they've seen from Extreme Gaming, though.
I do like the 1-2 punch they've been pulling with their mid laner, playing around him and making multiple moves at the same time,
understanding the timings there will be on, playing with an early Deso, playing with this Shantar pipe.
And I don't know how you feel about it, but I do feel that this meta right now is slightly evolving,
getting the Guardian Greaves on your position 4, maybe even 5, and then picking up an early pipe from the offlane.
Yeah, I think... I mean...
This seems like, I think, like, wonder-on, and the players are really stepping up.
It's the feeling I'm getting, like, I'm thinking of NTS, you know, you mentioned the Ringmaster.
I think Ex Nova was super on point with the Blackouts, think this game.
And I don't think we've seen quite that level of play in the group stage from that scene.
Like, they're rising up to the challenge, so you'd love to see it.
Obviously, the same can be said about Liquid.
So when these players are, like, on, I think they can shape the meta.
Like, one series can really shape, start shaping the meta for the tournament.
Obviously, these games are very long, and I think other teams don't physically have the time to watch the replay.
That's one advantage too. You can get started if you play three hours games.
We literally don't have time, we need to play two.
But on a more serious note, I like the itemization, I like the adjustments.
Both teams are picking up steam at the same time, unfortunately, for each other in a sense, because only one will advance.
Only one will advance. The question is who adapts better in the series.
But within both games that we've watched so far, both teams had many times to come out
on top.
And I do want to again focus a little bit on Ace because I think both the center are in
game one and out of the darks here, Lacoste, we saw some great moments coming out from
him with some vacuums that were incredibly on point.
Yeah, they didn't really have like the big guamo combo like Extreme Gaming did in game
number one, but he did pull in quite a lot of weight in the previous game with the really
nice vacuum walls with the atomization like lower cooldown upgrading his blink
to arcane blink making sure that he can you know get the value out of the punch
on lower cooldown it feels like ace some of the issues that we've said that not
him in general but just maybe the offline issue that didn't really work out in
the group stage for team liquid they definitely shaped it up and they feel
like they're on another level right now. 100% I think like the adjustments that
we were hoping for from both teams they they came in like it's not happening and
And we get to see these teams like play the game.
I think, yeah, of course, you know, they're exchanging punches at the beginning of the game
and one team gets ahead and one not.
But it doesn't feel like one team doesn't get to enter the game.
And we get to see the strap, the lineup come together.
It's super cool to see like this.
The sinking we haven't seen before.
I think it was super good this game.
Like it did a lot of work on and in NTS's hand.
Now the ban from Liquid in the first game.
Oh, it makes sense.
It makes sense now.
You know, I get it the question is why does it take so long for both of these games to close out a game?
or for both of these teams to close out a game because
It's it was so back and forth. So obviously for both teams things are going wrong
Sing single a limb like you know that with just one bad move
Especially for liquid with this recreation never end in the second game is better one a rush and they have alchemist
So they can give out as many acts as possible.
They can get the moonshores.
They can buy a lot of stuff like infinite gems,
keep stacking them in the base because they have the infinite influx of the gold
that Alchemist is getting.
And at one point they were ahead for like almost 75,000 gold.
And it's almost impossible not to win the game with that gold lead.
But we did also start the gold leg down to at least 50 and, you know,
it's just a 25k gold swing, nothing serious.
Yeah, you know, that's manageable.
Tato, Tato. I also own Fox2Next Nova, I think he played a fantastic remaster.
Of course not on the winning side at the end of the game, but he also was playing as hard at.
Yeah, he's been rather quiet. I feel in the group stage for Xtreme, like not that he had a
poor performance or anything like that, but this is a guy that I can really step up.
And I think in this game he really did. We got to see his spellcasting was really on point,
early game presence all of it so looking forward to see what he can bring like he has some heroes
that are very suited for these kind of you know high intensity games that go the long way i'm
thinking of this phoenix for instance or amongst others so excited to see like you love to see when
every player steps up for these kinds of occasions i think that's what both both these teams really
needed it so now it's going to come down to the drafts most likely in game three like it's going
to be very, very important. I think both teams are probably feeling confident and they now both
know that they can take this series away. So in that sense, we're going to get a great game through.
I think there's not a lot about that. So we heard, I think Cap said that this next game is either
going to be 15 or like two hours, you know, late game. Yeah, I don't know if extreme gaming can
close out the game in 15 minutes. They can call GG in 20 minutes, as we've seen against BB team
earlier in the group stage but I think I'm getting more and more confidence in this team and I would
even give them this slight edge because they were like slightly more creative than Liquid in this
one I would say especially with the picks that they did have and also with some of the execution
in the early game like I feel like this is not the team that we've seen in the group stage this is
not your extreme gaming that if you look at who they played against like they dropped the game
against Rune Eaters they beat Gamer Legion but these games are also like very very close so I
I feel like they really stepped it up, and they are on another level at the moment.
Yeah, a lot of focus for that other level feels like it's in the mid lane,
with nothing to say, also stepping it up, playing a fantastic Sankeen game.
Also makes me think that we already know that Extreme Gaming,
they focus heavily on trying to slow down Nisha's game,
especially in that first game they played.
Surely Liquid is going to return the favor also, trying,
you got to slow down, nothing to say a bit.
Yeah, I mean, you said that, but he actually played like a pretty tough matchup.
So that was him, like, playing from behind a little bit,
like, being on the defensive,
because Sanking vs. Necro is a really tough matchup for Sanking.
And thankfully, he had some stacks, and he was able to come back.
But it kind of leaves you wondering, like, what happens
if he's playing the better matchup, and if he's, like,
he gets the tools to impact the game, like, early on.
Because that was, like, there was very little room for mistakes,
I think, in this game, like, for him, because up until the point, anyway.
They had this Blink AP and that was really their only way back into certain sequences or teamfiles.
And I think he utilizes it perfectly.
So I'm looking forward to see what he can achieve in the next game.
Like he has a very wide hero pool, he can play heroes that other midlaners aren't really looking at.
Like Sankin, as an example, you know, he's famously known for his bangolier, he's tried Lina.
Obviously, he plays all the spirits, so he could bring a lot to the table in game three.
Yeah, he really could.
and I feel like we barely scratch the surface of the game.
We just watched it in 90 minutes, what can you do?
We're of course getting nearer to game number three,
getting started, but before we get started,
there's something we haven't talked that much about
in this post game, which was the carry rule,
but that's okay because we're gonna listen
to a carry right now.
This was a couple of hours ago before the series.
We're gonna listen to Nick, eh?
Play is in our DNA.
Whenever we let it out, it becomes our super power.
Now imagine an entire city being built to supercharge it.
Kadea City, powered by play.
Hey I'm here with Micae of Team Liquid.
You guys are on the survival stage of the tournament now, which means you lose, you're out.
Are you guys feeling the pressure?
No, not really. I think we're fairly confident. We had a team talk before, so hopefully things
go as we talk.
Do you guys ever feel a lot of pressure as a team? Do you play worse or better in these
kinds of moments?
I think usually we like the pressure. I think people like when the game is like madder more
instead of like the studio games I guess. I feel like we enjoy when the stakes are high.
And I feel like historically you guys do kind of okay in group stage and then the later
stuff is really where you pull off some crazy streaks, right?
So like you're just, you've warmed up now, right?
No.
I mean, we'll see what happens.
We're not sure if we're like 100% peak performance yet, but I think we're working together.
Okay.
That's a good place to be.
What's your pre-match routine like on game days?
I'm curious about this because nobody knows what it's like to be a pro player except for
like 150 guys.
So like, do you have like a playlist?
I've seen Quinn at tournaments.
like headphones on stairs at the ground doesn't talk to anybody what do you
like I'm more a chill guy I like to go eat with my team and just sit and chill
before the game play maybe some overthrow to warm up some how much how much
that conversation is like about Dota not much I think we like to take a chill
before the game and we just if there is some draft questions that my captain
wants me to answer and I'll just know even that make sure you're on the right
Usually, I'm the chill guy and the drafts are working, so I'm just...
You're just there to sit down and play your game.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Do you guys think you're going to have XG's number this morning?
Because they're a very good team.
It's like kind of a...
You're the top seed of this elimination thing.
They're the bottom seed, but what do you think about them?
I think it will be a tough matchup.
Historically, we've done well against them, but I think in this tournament, it's going
to be a bit different because it's a new patch or a different patch.
So, it'll be a fun matchup and we both play to our potentials.
Alright, well we'll see how it goes.
Thanks for joining me for the interview and good luck in your match.
Thank you.
Winners of the International Team Liquid are about to face off against TI finalists Extreme
Gaming.
You'd be forgiven to think that this is clash of the Giants, but Avery, both of these teams
have been kind of relegated to the midfield recently.
Who's responsible for that?
Some would say Jaleh, some would say perhaps for Liquid the loss of KP, perhaps the changing
of both rosters have let them weaker.
I know I was talking to both these teams yesterday that's a very interesting thing to say.
Morale was a bit mixed.
I'd say they were in the middle of the pack.
It wasn't super high, it wasn't super low, there's definitely some teams that are struggling
a lot more.
I asked Liquid, are they going to make one of those runs, you know, I asked Blitz.
Yeah.
Because if they get over that one little hump, of course, they just fly through the bracket.
He was optimistic.
Now he has shattered his ankle in a freak stairway accident, as we all know.
I don't know how much that hurts their odds, but he was still optimistic about their chances.
And actually, on the other hand, I asked Tommy, why did he dye his hair blue?
Do you know?
I do not.
To be like hez?
I asked, well, I said, which hair would you want to winty I would?
Yeah.
He said, tear blade.
So I said, did you dye your hair to be like the tear blade arcana gem?
He said, no.
No.
I dyed it for my boy, Somnis.
Really?
Because Somnis's blue hair brought them luck.
And so now he's going to dye his hair to bring you luck.
Okay, perhaps it will bring him luck against the blue horse today.
Oh, that's actually a good point.
Blue on blue action, we're gonna see it today, very soon.
Micae said it. The players of Team Liquid like it when the stakes are high. The stakes
are definitely very high for this best of three. You're watching the survival stage
here for Dota 2 at the Esports World Cup and one of these two teams will be eliminated
after this one.
It's Team Liquid or Extreme Gaming, it's 1-1 and it's the first two games or anything
to go of.
We are having a great game three coming our way, but a lot will be decided in the draft
already.
A quick question actually said, have you noticed an advantage that the teams get from being
at the first pick or second pick?
I feel like it's somewhat even, but maybe you think differently.
No, I think it depends on team heroes like rating and priority
I would say that I still favor first pick a little bit in a sense like I think some of these heroes are must bands and
When it's when it's the case like like every time it's been like that then first pick is strong
You know I'm thinking yeah when your second pick you have to ban tree and you have to ban laundry for most teams
You have to ban SF perhaps
There's a lot of keepers like you can play versus clock or they can decide whether they want the clock or if they want
You know you name it like first picker spirit or whatever they fancy like I feel like first pick is very strong
When you have first week you also have 18 pick, which is also very strong pick
We've seen like it's it's hard to deal with because often on 18 you see both supports
We have very deadly like mid mid laner picks and I don't think we've seen as much value on 24
Like we've seen couple of games I would say the word
Yeah, you just PL and you're like, okay, I think Liquid experienced that against Ferrara and there wasn't really much they could have done about it
because the draft wasn't really made to deal with PL, but other than that, I do have to agree with the first pick overall
and I want to see how she's going to be approaching this issue because this is the theme that historically, under different banners,
like this team during LGD time as well under different coaches.
Well, Zhao, he has been known to cook completely different drafts.
We are seeing a bit of a maybe not the same type of a drafting with maps at the moment
because they are picking some of the same heroes as well.
But coming into this third game, a lot of the times these teams,
they would fall back to some like really, really old school type of heroes.
Like maybe it's just late game TVs, faceless voids, these type of heroes.
And she were, I heard you laughing about something.
I saw Seb's face, he saw the draft.
Listen, listen, I have to say, at some points, I'm gonna have to take my words back,
because if these teams think Mira...
Because if we're sitting here thinking he's a bad hero,
and they think it's that good that they should first pick it,
well, then they are right and we're wrong about it.
So, at this point, I'm just open-minded to be proven otherwise.
Maybe it is very good, and maybe...
Okay, to be fair, we've seen it mostly on Ford.
so far. Yes. And the... The odd one out, so to say. Right. And he's had wins mostly with Murana 5.
So maybe... Murana 5 definitely feels much stronger because a lot of the times from position 4 you also
want to be getting something else, something a little bit more maneuverable, something a little
bit more scaling damage. Even though she scaled insane well in the previous game, she was the
second highest damage dealing hero on the team, having this conjurer's catalyst, divine regalia,
divine rapier at the time and like the vision game is pretty strong with this
year like having the low cooldown relatively sorry short cooldown on that
ulti in terms of especially with off-drain core providing vision for the
team triple arrow on top of that bearing him up with the clockwork on top of it
with the agonim septor with all of these rockets cancelling the blink daggers and
providing vision of the area makes the team fights in the late game very
difficult to approach yeah we got a bit of a different opening of course with
Moran and the Hootwing there as well. We also have Extreme Gaming with First Pick and so far in
this series it's actually been the team that has Second Pick that comes out on top so maybe there's
a bit of a different dynamic with these two teams. The Nekr on the Alkwing band now with a bit of
respect from previous games, I don't want to deal with that anymore. I mean they just dealt with it
for 90 minutes straight, I don't blame them, it's like I need a break at this point you know,
I can't get reapered anymore. Ember Spirit comes out pretty early for Liquid, they had the possibility
to do so earlier. I mean one reasoning could be that the Necro is also
that's like one of the matchups, one of the toughest meta matchups we've seen
for Ember that will not be a possibility for Xtreme. So we'll see what they want
to corner this Ember with. Knowing that Hoodwink already is kind of
way against Ember so they need the mid hero and the position 5 most likely to
feel that void. Ooh, a Largo joins. This could be the mid. This could be mid Largo.
I think it's a really good matchup against Nemberg actually. I'm quite surprised we don't see it
more personally. I think it could also be support but I think very few teams are running this hero
in support. It's only like a pop thing. This doesn't strike me as X6S hero. I'm sure he can play it
but during the last last lamb he didn't play it. He didn't play it so far at EWC and we've seen
Then utilize
Largo from the mid lane against the Lena or was the other way around where they sit
No, it was their game where they played Lena and they were playing against Largo and that Largo almost solo killed Lena twice
So maybe they think this matchup against potentially Mary Midlaners is gonna be much better
Yeah, and also seeing that there is no do maybe utilizing that part seeing that you're not gonna be cuz
Largo teams are very very good
I think Aurora is the best Largo team that we see. They played from the off-lane, but also some teams ran from the mid-lane and
Okay, so that's gonna ship priority. Yeah, it was a matchup in the first game
Turned out pretty well for nothing to say. He had a really good
Really good lane, really good performance. He did get a lot of help from his supports to be fair
We figured out also what MTS stands for in that first game. Nicely timed slams
He was definitely on point with them. Here it was. I think he was an impressive
Honestly, he's played two incredible games so far, going back to his classic, at the end of the day,
he was in TI finals in a TI where the meta was very much about Shaker and Sand Kingman,
so just going back to the old, you know, like, what worked for you. Don't divert too much,
create the meta. Would it be enough to hoodwink Shaker against Ember plus one? I think also
he should have gone and learned from the first game, definitely the kind of player to adapt
very well to what's presented to him. So I'm sure Liquid is going to reassess
what didn't work as well in the early game of game one and try to balance the match up better.
Okay, this is very similar to the draft they had against Hor...
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It's really funny how clock is just ignored all of a sudden like it was it was first picked and now both teams don't want to have anything to do with it
You don't think a stream might still want to? They're looking for a 5 for Xloma?
Yeah, it's a possibility. I was trying to think what are the 5s available.
Definitely a possibility. I don't think it's that bad. I think it's pretty good, if anything.
Shaker is going to love somebody creating situations for him, starting the fight and
giving him a little bit more freedom to pick his jump. The Lycan ban is pretty good. We actually
didn't mention this hero, but one of the classic counters to draw. That means Centaur is through
through the pool. I'm not sure if it necessarily fits the liquid line up. I feel like they
could use a little bit more damage because they already have a lot of control.
Yeah, I'm just for position 5 from Extreme or Liquid.
Position 5 for Extreme.
I was looking at his most played heroes. We've seen a good amount of disruptors getting picked.
I entered that, maybe some lich, if they feel like they need the follow-up damage.
Okay, so it is gonna be Largo supported.
This is Largo 5, okay, interesting.
Or 4 for that matter, we're not sure yet, but I would say most likely 5.
Like it's Laning versus Earth Spirit, so pretty chill.
Also acts like a frontline for the draw on the lane.
Interesting, very cool.
That's why they left Centaur in the poll, they didn't ban it out, they banned Leica, which is still a very good ban,
But also seeing the lineup that they had against Aurora, it would be the exact same lineup that they ran.
So, put in center lane, very solid, very strong, a lot of damage.
Like, level 2 power spike is pretty crazy, Mirana would die from full HP, actually.
So, Tofus gonna have to play his hand.
Does it change your opinion on the composition that Drow Largo is still gonna beat whatever Earth Spirit is gonna be mixed up with?
I think so. Unless there's like a niche pick that's...
What about some enigma potentially that could come out?
Just to match the teamfight that they have and also to pull the lane back
because EarthSpirit plus one melee, they can't really lane that well against
because this is a super strong lane, like you're just going to get clicked.
And we've seen teams approach in similar fashion where they can't really like lane
so they go back to some creep cutting, like ends.
You see a good amount of enigma as well from the off lane.
It's pretty solid. I think it lanes really well with EarthSpirit.
I don't know if the lane is that easy against drawLargo, I think I see angles for both to win the lane,
but definitely Adolans are going to die to these heroes eventually.
But if it fits their lineup, fits the scaling also, I guess it will give them a win condition.
They go for the timber saw.
It's a really good timber game to be fair, besides the draw.
If you think of the draw getting jumped also, or having to reposition, then the timber is going to raise your green in T-fights.
I just think the lane is not the easiest for timber.
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There's an argument you get at the centaur there, but like faster at home.
Just like you can't accelerate the game.
But if all they want is that he's gonna take it, you can't refuse him.
Nothing to say he wasn't there for the kill, which obviously Midlaner's usually one, and
yet he still found something.
He found Boxy's Courier, which I didn't see in early sacrifice to the Blood Gods.
I guess so.
There was already enough blood on the deck, but apparently they needed just a little bit
more.
carrier has a rough life. You throw them to the wolves. This could be a very bloody game.
This is a lineup from Lickard that we saw them play.
Oh tofu with the quelling blade. Not to be caught on awareness.
We saw them play this exact type of lineup the other day with the tiny Earthspear-Morana-Ember
combination. It was a different off-laner for Ace, but functions, it's going to be the
exact same here. That is a huge amount of chains done, huge amount of pick-off potential.
right across the map very quickly with the mobility here. It could be difficult to shove the wades out.
That was the biggest issue in the game. You just couldn't get the lanes in, and Zom is going to take
an arrow to the knee, but he will still get through the gate here. So that's the concern for XG.
Like how do you play the map? How do you not feed bad kills and then just have that momentum
build really quickly? Lanes don't really matter if you just kind of draft the liquid. They just
need levels. They just need to get to the part of the game where they can start rolling on people.
Tiny can enter the game. If you get Blink Dagger on Tiny, you get Shadowblade on Tiny,
You get a vessel on ember, you just run into people, this game can snowball really quickly,
so if you're extra, you need to get as much out of the same phase as you can,
slow this lineup down as much as possible, and get the lanes in safely.
I think it's a game you definitely want held with Domineer on Synthar just for the lane pressure,
so you don't have to show, and you want to get really bad on this drought, so you can start
having a presence in this game outside of just being a meat body to get rolled on,
because there's a lot of heroes that just roll in from this liquid squad.
Yeah, you say lanes won't matter as much for Liquid and it's a good thing too because aren't they set up to lose all three lanes potentially?
They're like a massive amount, but I feel like every single one has an edge for Extreme.
For sure, it's a whole lane top with the double melee against the Drow. The Shaker's gonna win mid against the Ember.
NTS had a nice time in that in game one. And the Centaur should do completely fine out here against Morana support.
So I do expect that she to have a better time here in the first 10 minutes, but again
I don't think the slick with draft really cares too much
They just want to get levels if anything I think they'd be happy trading some net worth to win the wisdom shrine exchange
Pump these heroes up they can play through ember this draft a look great and we saw what the Disha ever can do
This this is annoying man
Clown blade plus tree throw for Mickey a
A clown blade on the Marana like they're just gonna cover each other unless you get both in a bushwack the bushwack's never gonna last for long
Start with centaur stun. Maybe
Maybe another option. I like seeing the shaker come back
Think at T.S. performed on it pretty well in that game one. It was a solid answer to the Ember
They had a good time with it, and they didn't have winning against you. So I guess you could say you know
Why fix what's not broken here?
I would say Misha had done, it was rough for him in that Ember Spirit game.
He started off in a position where he's losing lane against the Earthshaker
and I think he eventually, he did what he could on the hero.
But ultimately he wasn't able to accomplish much of what he wanted to, which is assassinating those supports.
He eventually got there.
Maybe Largo's a weird hero for December to play into.
So if you get at least one item and you're a little tanky, it's a very hard to support to assassinate with the constant disbells of how tanky you can be.
I do like the Lar go into the Ember matchup.
So Hoodwink, you should be able to catch.
As nimble as Hoodwink is, Ember is one of those heroes that can just slice him down.
You have 8-finger chase.
And having a pretty good time here in the second half of this early lane phase.
Winning the region trade, at least, even if NTS is winning the CS battle.
battle. Yeah I wonder what changed because we saw it in the first half of the landing phase he was
doing a lot of harassment to nothing to say and you know did what he could and then the bottle
comes in and everything changed. Now Nisha is keeping up the pressure post-bottle. NTS committed
a decent amount of the echo hits into some extra denies which is why his CS is looking off but that
does mean Nisha got some favorable trades out of it. If he gets the 4-minute water rune he'll be safe
here. Nisha might call for this to get denied you could rotate a support over and try and take
away from NTS would be a big victory. Or you can click and dive him here.
I don't know if you can stack this kill though, you just don't have the resources for it.
Another wave is coming in. Here comes the hoodwink though. Trying to secure that one around Nisha.
Might still be able to take it. He doesn't want to take that one B2. Might slight steal it.
Steals it away from nothing to say. That's huge. And he's gonna get the one on the other side too.
Yeah, you got to go to base now if you're in TS, so yeah, illness. Maybe you have to most of that way
Except back especially since you pulled that fly
Feel bad you got the experience laid off of all these tonight, but now it's gonna go back to even right
should
Three level experience leave her actually but I was laying face. So what does that really mean?
Do you pull waves top they've done decent dodge decent time dodging homing up here
who did have that first blood gold very fast trends for him and he is quite
scary against these melee heroes if you end up in a chased out situation you're
just dead so you'd be careful that you don't waste Timber Chain waste the role
in a bad situation feed an extra kill up here look towards that six minute
power it's gonna be a big one for these two midlaners and same goes for the
wisdom shine soon after right embers spirit oh very good playing on the
enemy side so something extreme gamer gonna have to play around here now
Now there's that chase down.
Yeah.
You knew it was going to happen eventually.
I felt someone was going to dive here at some point.
You have an early boots on the log, you have the early treads on the drought, too much early gold injection.
Man, it's just too easy to run these heroes down that you're not worried about any sort of threat.
Turn that player on.
Strong start for the lanes here.
Not as good on this mid as the game one.
I think that's something Liquid can look to play around a little bit more.
Because they got bodied in them and they have lane change to roll into arrow.
Nice chain stun combination. See you kill Boxie. Well, guess what? That's an opportunity for Boxie to rotate to another lane.
Gets the kill on bottom and now him and Tofu can make the move to the power runes in 20 seconds. There's that catchy lick counterplay.
I'm surprised they had enough damage for that. Tiny getting the job done here. Some extra new power.
Gonna fly getting stacks up looking for contests. They're gonna contest top as well
Everybody wants his rune and you're not gonna slide take it a second time NTS
You will make a niche who's still level six. Fisher's gonna block him out activates the flame guard now
He's got a fairy fire, but man
He's just been body blocked so heavily the physical damage might be the end of him another enchant totem
Trying to dodge away from that one get hit by the stun and right as he got six
Well, the other side the two supports did play up against a flying in 1v2
So they got that support kill, but obviously much better for extreme gaming. Oh, yeah, especially since there was a region
You did come back to full here at least you got the remnant now
I guess you just run them back in yeah
It needs you some time
But not what he was looking for on that exchange and FY did get the stacks up on the triangle
So you could have this nice epicenter or not not a echo slam
It's the thing about sanking here. Oh, or you can use it to steal some stacks potentially
Yeah, and these are it now has to clean up this mid wave
which means a free opportunity for Extreme Gaming to go.
He's supposed to keep you though.
Take the wisdom shrine.
Yeah, he can be here.
Liquid are gonna spot it early.
Face on the run, push, whack, pulls him back in,
and a face or chain stun.
He's gonna try and chamber chamber their Echo Slam
to ensure it's now on the other side.
They do have a 2v1, the two supports,
but X-XS is a tanky hero to bring down.
Extreme Gaming can get both here.
X-XS by himself was staying alive against the two,
but with the rotations coming through,
Stream gaming almost got the lick
That's a big win for XG. I think that was the biggest objective for me for liquid in this early game
Right, I talked about the importance of the XP the levels on these heroes. You get neither that just really
Really slows down your entry into this mid game. Yeah, the best support to get level six in this game
It's got to be a hoodwink, right? It's a game changer. Oh, yeah, you get a fast sharpshooter here
You're gonna start bringing some scores on that so it's the game down even further
Stacks are still gonna be built up here
So, all eyes on maybe 8 and 10 minute power room, try and get something good for this
Ember, haste or an amp damage or something that you can run into the Shaker with.
If you let nothing to say get some cheeky kills with this Echo Slam and he gets to reset
the cooldown for free, not gonna feel good about it.
Well played, early Bushwack stops him from being able to go for the slight steal, and
then they also killed the Flame Guard and now they're gonna clear through the stack.
Easy for nothing to say.
That feels pretty nice.
liquid supports they're just watching it happen I mean I have almost no firepower right here
a very greedy support duo at some points for sure like you need a lot of time to come online
with this support duo we'll pay off eventually but you're gonna pay a big price in these early
skirmishes you're just food catchy like now the fisher and boxy kicks away rolls out pluckernade
is taking him down though tango will outheal it barely space created uh niche is doing the same
i'm trying to steal stacks on the other side of the slam guard but look at the pressure going to
The ace though, Aume, so far, so high level, he's just taking the tower.
They're threatening to backstab ace once again, this is a dead tier one at 9 minutes, they're in a clear fail, okay, sure, but it's still dead here.
And this is great.
It's before the Timbersaw is like a solo threat with his Chakram.
Yeah, it feels really nice to set it back like this because then you just can't enter the lane, you take his tower, he's not the greatest jungler, like this isn't the hero you want a jungler with, you can.
But you want to be running in a point, so you want to be killing them with your ultimate.
It's relentless.
Look at him go.
He's going to be farming over here, eh, so you got any stacks, what's going on?
I like the idea of continuing to punish him.
He's the lowest net worth core in this game.
He doesn't have an easy way back into it because some of the stacks have to go to the Ember
Spear here.
He's got a farm under your tier two.
This frees up some space for XG to get in the triangle.
They can rotate Aume into mid if they really want to look for some early team fights.
And where's the shaker?
Very close to Blink. As Ekoslam back available, maybe they wait a couple extra hundred gold on NTS.
Gives you a big opening on the mid lane.
Ami's gonna hang around. Look for 10 minute power room.
This is costing him a little time here.
Could pay off.
Nisha activates his shield room.
He gets quickly- now he gets silenced up! Uh oh!
Nisha! The S are running out! He only needs a moment to be able to jump away to it.
And that is where Niki and Tofu- they were set up.
Catch nothing to say at the same time as Nisha comes back in for some much-needed experience and finish off those phase boots.
Now, what a turnaround. Just getting up that cliff meant all the difference there.
And then you're able to burst the shaker down before he pops that big one, fairy fire.
Still a couple hundred off the blink.
Nice turn around. I'm like, what gets to hold this mid lane? If you lose heroes there, you can just lose his tower off the countable timing.
Or at least it's going to take a lot of damage.
You get the arrow here for free and you get some experience for your support super important here
We don't deep vision
Totally trying to free up this camp
But they got some nice rewards around top that I'll make me continue to play aggressively around
And the stacks are still being built up a little bit here
And we've heard the players talk about the safe lane dominance, now off-laners, currently
have a hard time being able to play lane so often, and we're seeing some teams really
trying to exploit that more and more, right?
Extend that laning phase, extend that safe lane dominance.
And you're extracting advantage while you lead it there.
Yeah.
Those kind of aggressive wards are designed to do just that, but at some point, you have
to stop and think about the other side here and that's what Ami's gonna do.
I think he's actually gonna bring the shaker bottom. He has his blink going into the high ground.
He's so tanky though. He has a lot of armor in Ami and it's kind of a no man's land.
A pullback geomagnetic grip plus a fisher block. That is beautiful.
Still moonlight shadow for a while here. The fisher's gonna
fire before the moonlight shadow does so extreme gaming get nothing for that.
I can't believe that liquid just not even blinking at these moves.
No attempt to try and...
Oop, oop, oop, almost got it off the catchy lick.
Now the catchy lick has been used.
Nisha's like, okay, well, now Flameguard and my haste room can go uninterrupted.
The problem is damage over time.
A little tough to kill Largo quickly.
They do manage to get in the app of the ankle-sand response.
Now the bushwhack.
Beautiful stuff.
Nisha, though, survives.
He had enough HP and a rendered out.
And a haste room.
He was ever at a risk of dying there.
Nice turnaround kill from NTS.
You get that bottom tower for free anyway,
off of the cool all-mate gate rotation,
but that's a lot of recovery time for Liquid.
I think they won that exchange overall.
The Timber got to push out top. The Tiny didn't die.
You got this Largo kill mid.
You trade your Murana, but whatever, right?
If you're trading Murana in the early game, you're kind of fine with that.
This is going to progress the Ember towards
either the Vessel or it looks like an early Kaia here.
Ornisha doesn't feel like this is the greatest Vessel game
into the early Largo Dispel.
So that is fair, if you're already struggling with this spell, it's fine, give even more
incentives for that spell.
Also, just don't think there's the greatest vessel targets here.
Like, yeah, it's good against the high-hp people with the strength heroes, but you don't
need it to kill the shaker.
Gotta play off the chains.
More points and chains will also make this game a lot easier.
Use more time to just land some follow-up stuns.
The arrow, the threat across the map goes up considerably.
Liquid evened out this lane phase a lot.
I think he actually could have found some more openings and run away with it, but instead, this game has plateaued.
He's trying to recover his farm, but it's going to continue to be a bit of a tough game for him, because Aume went Yasha and then rushing the Ags.
So we're going to see those early hypothermia frost arrow stacks that helps a little bit.
It gates the health restoration of the December mega-fat. This has got to be his dream, right?
Yeah.
I could play Drowranger, Uncontested, Absolute Free Farm, Kills, and First Blood on top of it.
What more can you ask for?
Apparently in mid-tower, that's what he wants.
He's having a very dangerous move when you're playing against the roll kick,
the timing to chain stuff potential into the arrow.
Between the leaps and the geomagnetic grip,
it's very tough to lock down any of these heroes in particular, the Marana.
They got the D-word at least. That's something here as they're seeing this with a tower.
Full control of the area leading to the big tower off of Count the Dom Creek tanking it up.
Dom A delivering the damage.
Okay, so all three Tier 1 towers out. Extreme gaming still holding.
All three of their Tier 1 towers. A lot of space to work with.
And yet, Liquid are still up in network. Playing the map more efficiently.
If Extreme Gaming though, off of these objectives being taken, can close the map out, hold that
60-40 split of the map, then here comes Liquid though.
They have their blink done on the tiny ready to rock and roll.
Moonlight Shadow gives you a free smoke.
They're just gonna try and probably send it straight into the triangle here where they
know some stacks are being built up.
Gotta scan on to...
I don't know how to say so.
That just wasted that.
Okay.
They don't want to stumble into that.
The risk of going in there is if NTS is doing big stacks, you jump into them and just echo
It goes to you, you basically get instagiped.
Sure.
Yeah.
It's a double-edged sword.
You can see it.
He'd go for the Centaur instead, but he's got this war pine raider that really protects
him.
Because it can tank the arrow.
It gets a slight change of arrow.
It's a big deal in a game like this.
Then you have to find cheeky ways to be able to shove these waves without feeding the bad
kills.
I will say I don't think Extreme Gaming's line of fuses these towers being down the best.
The draw has to continue to farm and save for spots.
It's not like a really aggressive carry that's gonna, you know, I'm pushing in your tier
two top.
Yeah, like some chaos that I once threw or something.
I think Centaur uses it decently well, but be that just because he shoves the lane in
so, so much, but it's okay with Dom.
I think the thing is with Timber in this game, he can die, and again, make a jump in initiation,
and Geomagnetic Grip is there to save.
You can definitely see liquid is...
It's already playing out a very reactive game.
And, uh, it's extreme.
Or the ones who are... could be making more moves, is that...
Is that good for them, though?
Right now, the Drone Ranger is so close to an item to help some farm even faster in the Aga.
I don't know if they're making moves, but I think this is a farm game for XG.
Okay, so another 90-minute game? Is that what you're saying?
Yeah. Okay.
Okay, yeah, I think we're in for the long haul here
Now this game could accelerate at the around the 30-minute mark really quick like we saw in that other game where they played this
a pretty much exact lineup
That game was also clunky to start because the supports needed the levels to get going but then once it started going that game
Accelerated quite quickly. Yeah, so do not count that type of play style out if liquid get one pick off in this game
It opens up a lot. You can just chain that into pick offs across the map
Suddenly get a team light into a torment. There's some nonsense like this
And they do have plenty of pick-off threat. They could do slight change in arrow.
They could do avalanche initiation into arrow. Timbersaw himself can sometimes get solo kills.
Gotta get some combo breaks in this game, if you're XG. That's all I'm thinking about long term.
Not necessarily like full Wind Waker A on this, I think it's too early to think about that.
But some early Glimmers and Force Downs.
Yeah, like Glimmer is pretty nice, four staffs nice, the lick, replacement is super nice in this game, did dodge follow up stuns, a gust interrupt, like if you're taking a fight and Aume can join you, just being able to gust interrupt, hurricane planks, somebody else, all these little things can make a huge difference against these chainsaw lineups, especially when you show to push out waves.
Like Aume shows mid, he pushes his wave out, X-Novel is right there, if he gets jumped you're gonna lick him out, you can take that fight.
Look at the stack.
Fan damage showing on Nisha right now.
We should be getting her.
Super stacks in this mid lane.
Nothing to say Mike, try and follow this up.
Oh, he got the Lardo.
He got the Lardo.
She with a toss between the two of them.
There is the pushback to stop this tiny with the Echo Send.
They do everything they have in this carry.
And he's still not dead.
Meanwhile, stream gaming of loss 2.
And Nisha has a free game to play.
He's going to run down more.
The magnetize, yeah, and the folder.
That'll finish off another one.
And Ace, Sponzex, I says.
And Fisher slows him down.
X-XS and he's away. So 1 for 3 exchange, baiting out the Ember spirit and extreme
gaming did kind of bite it down on that one. Mikkei getting a free wrap around
through the left-hand side thanks to a big smoke. They smoked on the bottom side
of the map and wrapped all the way around to hit him from that angle. Really
nice entry for him. That's a bait by both teams. FG are ready to lick this
drought out of danger but Mikkei he makes an excellent play. Find the log, go
toss him into the same chain stun, get two for one.
Tough pay a price with his life, which is big, so does his game down.
But as you said, free fight for Nisha, you're always going to clean up here.
The Ember will always give you that plus one kill.
The late D-Ax coming out as it got finished, wall, all made with dead.
There goes his perfect throughout game.
Interesting is they didn't quite manage to get this tower forward, but Liquid is still
looking for pickoffs around this area.
And here's where it can snowball.
That one.
Bleeding and Liquid can just open up these wounds.
Exacerbate your problems. The Largo can only babysit so many heroes in this game.
And as we saw, that's not also a guarantee. Stampede can only bail you out of
a little bit here. Like, you can't stampede for someone's chains.
You need Lotus Orbs, you need Climber Hapes in this game. This is where the game is really going to slow down for extreme gaming.
I expect to see Liquid build a net worth it here. The threat across the map is a lot higher. You have Marana
Oh, she now waves farming extra jungle camps. Did you just not see? Okay. Well, Mickey he went around if he'd just gone down
the ramp he would have run right into the
Earthshaker which would have been a dream pickup because now the next stop is like picking off extreme gaming heroes and not letting them get to
BKBs, right?
For sure. You want to abuse
The fact that actually are not as mobile. He came back. He went through the gate and then he came back
And now Mickey finally shows himself sees the opportunity and only needs a little bit a momentary
Pause for them to be able to get that kill
One turns into two even earns into more suddenly boxes on a killing spree the map is starting to feel a lot smaller great vision out
Right now for liquid as well. This is the scariest point in this game for extreme game
They cannot afford to bleed too many kills in this time period
It's very easy to plead kills against this lineup. Another great rotation. They're going to find some heroes, force a stampede, they need to run.
But the arrow, beautiful setup, right off the staircase. And Timber Chain to finish them off.
Now X6S has already used his stampede. If they can get close enough, slight chains, can they get close enough? They do.
Now with the follow-up damage that Timber saw, it's made pretty easy. Fy can do nothing to stop it all yet.
Stop it all yet. This is one more tree to the whirling death and now FY is going to die as well
Harpoon toss back in Mickey you already see Mickey with this harpoon blink dagger build
You know what he wants to do? He wants to toss heroes back pick them off one at a time
Actually not respecting what's happening around the map right now
Getting caught in the liquid chase down is exactly what happened in the previous game. They played this line
You cannot bleed bad kills.
Liquid are going to run the entire map.
This lineup has infinite chase, infinite stun, infinite catch.
This could have just been like, I lose on my shaker top, yeah that sucks, whatever.
Instead, you've got to get a team wipe here, and it's straight into that 20-minute torrential.
It's accelerating the game so much, this shadow blade is almost done for the tiny after you just completed Harpoon.
He's a mass it's right in this game the timbers top nailer
After the roughest landing face just like that was give ace a little space
Farms way back quickly now. He is still susceptible to this to this damage until he gets the sheeva's this wild smoke
Off of the tormentor being taken
Yeah, not to go for the timbers saw you're bringing call me into the smoke
You better make it connect on something damn straight
Mikae, that's the best target.
That's a much easier kill for sure.
They may have some armor, they do have the stuns.
Apparently not enough to be able to stop him from hard-pointing away,
getting some distance finally, they'll finish him off.
But this took a long time to get the kill,
and Liquid are throwing all their heroes around here.
The arrow lands on Ame off the chain.
Fischer tries to stop these two, but they're caught.
There's too many Liquid heroes surrounding them.
Ame, they pop the stampede, but Ace is there.
Flakes in.
Warly death to finish the job.
I think you had to instantly TP out of that kill.
Yeah. Again, you have to respect the map mobility to chase down potential from this lineup.
You cannot expect Liquid to just sit on their heels here and do nothing about their tiny going
down. It is a nice hero to pick up off the map. You delay the shadow blade, buys you a little
space to push the waves out, but you're losing your track. So who's actually pushing these
waves out? Not the heroes you want. Neat disfills. This is the biggest thing right now. To deal with
the chains, you can at least reposition a little bit and maybe turn some of these spikes around.
Manta, Lotus Orb, Glinner Cade, Four Staff.
You have to find a way to get there.
They have a single Four Staff right now in terms of total dispelling utility.
Yeah, even like the pick-off game is pretty intense, but now a level 18 Timbersaw,
a level 3 Chakram with Link Sheva.
Every fight is just him going deep into extreme gaming side, popping that sheave as tagging
heroes, stopping blink daggers, getting vision for the follow-up.
That's gonna be rough to play.
I think conceptually this is the game Shaker struggles in because you're just not gonna
get that straight five on five fight you want with the Echo Slam.
Yeah, they've got four hyper mobile heroes.
Yes.
It's really difficult to get a clump in this game, it's very difficult to get the fight
you want with vision is for on a halt it's just a kickoff oriented game shaker
doesn't offer you that much single target DPS this early on yeah it may be like
really early if he had played off of the blink dagger and chan totem kills then
maybe that could snowball but this point he just has to be KB same goes with
army this is a little stock of here it's getting behind the tier two they're
gonna run right into him and got the silence on X-Nova to beautifully played by
Boxy. Even if he does catch you lick and heal, it's not enough to save the
Drow Ranger, but they made that kill that much quicker than now. They can run down
the frog as well underneath the tier 3s. Misha collects. No response from XG.
They're starting to recognize the situation here, which is like, if we get
going on, just try and get the other lanes. The situation is rough right now as
Lip just soaking all the farm up off the map a very early BT on the Ember guarantees you dives.
Kind of look for anything anywhere.
I still do not understand how Ace is so fat in this game.
Man, he is almost level 20 now.
Great Timmer game too.
You're only really worried about the Drow but you have displacement spells to throw this Drow into the Buzzsaw.
Pretty surprised that all my skipped manta here
Just for some of the go shove and the dispel feels really good here. I mean the disball against the air spirits nice, too
It's gonna go straight BKB. It's gonna be a while to get there
If they get to that BKB window though a lot of the damage goes out the window for liquid during that time
It does like they have a ton of magic damage assuming you get the team fight
Right here you're afraid that it's never gonna be a 5 on 5, it's always gonna be some sort of liquid pick-off.
You're never gonna be able to start the fight on your terms, in theory, you're gonna be afraid of showing on the waves.
BTB doesn't necessarily help you shelf the map, because you're afraid of the 100-0 chainstone.
Right.
Would help you just force a rush on one or something if you have the confidence to do that.
And right now with the 11,000 net worth of leaves, it definitely feels like Rosh's more for liquids to take.
For sure, they're eyeing it off, they might just do it here.
I do think that liquid is maybe a similar problem to the pass.
I don't know how willing they are to go looking at high ground against extreme if their up is 5.
Now that's easily solved by the fact that they have so many ways to get pickoffs.
Pickoffs are the high ground for them with this line of friends.
You squeeze the map so hard that eventually you get one of two kills, you go high ground, it's easy, you have tanky ass heroes too. This is a very tanky lineup. They don't want to sustain, but they have insane just raw HP pools.
Is there an aiming way that you, like he hasn't completed Hurricane Butter? Are you holding that to go Hydra's Breath and have your ex for like anti-double up on the anti-tank?
That's pretty all in. Yeah, you know very little survivability at that point
Maybe he thinks he needs the the damage in this game. Maybe that's why he gets BKB
He's playing more for a stand to deliver style. It's possible
Look at these heroes. You're gonna need damage from somebody
Chris smoke. He's playing
Yeah, hoping to catch something on the waves clashing together
Well, simultaneously, Needing Ame does get jumped here, try to hit him with the Avalanche,
but the four staff got away for the arrow.
And now Liquid are a little bit outnumbered for now.
They need this fast kill on Mckay as fast as they can get it anyway.
He just rolled down.
He's running down to the trees and they find and get him, but that's just the Aegis.
And now they have to retreat.
It's a stampede.
Everybody out to themselves.
Ame could spot it.
They got him on the Avalanche.
Foxy rolled past him and Mckay delivers this stun that will kill the carry of Extreme
Gaming.
The last guy you want to lose in that scenario.
Yeah, all it costs you is a tiny Aegis, which
Yeah, you're probably not forcing high ground with that anyway, so who cares
Liquid playing faster and faster picking up the tempo now going through the gate seeing if they can catch on the other side of the map
Nothing say knows when to play conservatively though
You can just park this timber alone control so much real estate right now
he's just
nasty
Thousand damage instantly
Well extra from the storm crafter beautiful kill right there on that squirrel in his base. This shows you how
Little liquid fear the XG threat right now Ace runs him over makes roadkill
Out of FY
There's another four staff and it's a little something here and use many as you can get octarene level 22
timbersaw almost
hitting that 20k net worth man
Now, he's gonna get it very quickly off of being able to play solo on this side of the map.
He's just grabbing a bunch of creeps, meaning while Liquid are hitting the tier two,
totally unafraid of extreme gaming.
And as you're afraid to get out of the map, they don't have the vision anymore.
They don't have the lane control.
The second you show, you have to get the hell out of there.
You just don't know where these Liquid cores are.
And they have three heroes sitting in their base right now.
And we're 30 minutes in.
Effectively, five.
Check out this drought running back to the base, as in the base, there's a defensive BKV.
This map is entirely liquid right now.
It actually don't break this whole deer going to fall massively behind.
Instead of early, extreme gaming had to get a lot off the laning phase and snowball that.
And while they did get a lead off the laning phase, they weren't able to snowball it very effectively.
Liquid draw things out until they hit their window, and now their steamroll in the game.
And they will have the net worth lead until extreme gaming basically wins one or two big
teamfights.
We'll see if that ever comes to fruition.
They're gonna get all maybe, give me and probably just smoke out and hope that they can land
this on something.
Yeah, you can't be locked inside your base at 30 minutes, right?
That's just, you'll just be on farm.
Quick smoke across the map, they're gonna send a tiny in, should find something here.
Yeah, spot's where I go.
Hit the stomp.
On a toe phone.
Unfortunately, the multi-shot had already been used.
And FY misses the sharpshooter.
X-X-S.
He's made a whole lot squishier by the presence of Ace.
They're gonna keep chasing after him.
He's low enough, makes the commitment.
Nisha got him.
Now spots FY here as well.
Hm.
Tier 3's are no defense.
The drawranger is no defense.
Liquid.
They seem unstoppable at this point.
They're just breaking him in this game.
It's just sitting outside their fountain.
It's like respawn faster, please, so I can kill you again.
That'd be very nice, thank you.
When you're scanning enemy fountain, you know you're in a pretty good position.
There's already been an high ground. No wages, no problem, they get the glyph.
What is the teamfight response here? They're trying to get a refresher on the shaker.
Yeah, they're giving up the lane to get this refresher.
Is that even going to be enough damage?
I guess if the fight is enough time for the drought to sit there and hit some people?
Yeah, I feel like it's almost more about the chain stun.
Just allow the drought ranger, and if you do manage to kill that one person, they've got
maxed out hyperthermia stacks, then the burst of damage that happens off of that still needs
more gold though.
And there's a tier 3 gone, the tech lift gone.
They are all keeping top to kick MTS out of here.
Still needs another 400 gold.
The chase is insane.
You might have to BKB TP here.
Boxing me.
Oh, if he got over that cliff there,
that might have been enough to make
him nothing to say he uses BKB.
It still is.
BKB used Mission, Success, or Liquid.
Damn, they're shooting in the bottom river as well.
Atlaka Tofu just immediately leaping to this point,
knowing extreme gaming.
Okay, they saw heroes in the top left part of the map.
They are going to try and push out to this triangle,
and that might be an opportunity.
Maybe an opportunity for a pick-off aggressive force
to hit the Miikei.
That was super sick, Tofu.
Just controlling so much space on his own.
Actually, you do not want to go up that high around.
Once more, I think they've been stuck in their base
for at least 10 minutes now.
Yeah, basically, they don't want to pick heroes
to push the waves.
I think this was always going to be the problem
draft-wise in this game,
You did not gain a big enough lead.
So now you're all in on this Earthshaker refresher, just sending it.
You can't even get the gold, it's more like one camp in the last two minutes.
Hey, yeah, I feel like the problem with this kind of playstyle is you're all in when you hit that timing.
But if Liquid just control the map for another 10 minutes, you're so starred.
I mean, we've seen this happen with Falcons.
So many times, some team is locked inside the base, they go all in for some sort of big, big item, big play.
And if Falcon's just never given the opportunity.
Exactly.
You don't have to ever give this shaker a chance to echo some of your entire squad.
You're continuing to build it out worthily here.
This is very efficient.
So extreme gaming, they have to take a risk.
They have to go out there at some point.
With this refresher, level 20 as well with the Echo damage, it is a big burst of damage.
Easy enough to deal with the Timbersaw or the Tiny by itself, definitely not.
Timbersaw's a heart and 4600 HP.
You're gonna echo him twice. I don't think he's gonna feel it.
Here comes that smoke. It would have been perfectly timed five seconds earlier.
He could have maybe gotten here with a Tormentor with some of these heroes already low.
What a beautiful, as it stands, Tormentors could have died. They're gonna get some heals up.
Liquid don't go anywhere. Nobody tepees away.
Shorting on the top and they're gonna smoke themselves.
They chase, extreme gaming, they retreat, that comes on the high ground.
They know the positioning is so important here.
Anything that could give nothing to stay in advantage, they try and take the outpost,
but they get hit by two men, Avalanche immediately for Mckay, it doesn't even matter if you
have the Echo Slam at this point in time, Ame is almost already dead with his BKB, a
Harpoon pulling back in X-Noven, they're still going to chase after this draw range
and the BKB expires, and Boxy kicks them to death.
which is dismantling them in this game 3.
No way out, FY!
All the way back behind your throne.
Tier 3s haven't even been claimed yet in...
What is nothing to say to do, man?
The way that started was just so terrible.
I thought they knew that Liquid was chasing after them, but they clearly did not.
There's a lot of little...
If that's your one big opportunity to try and swing them a minimum in this game,
one you showed that you're out clearing the wave, which they could have seen,
and then you're double clicking the outpost.
Which is telegraphing a lot of info. You're just assuming they're not gonna notice this. You got skin regardless
They're always gonna jump in there. You always just jump pop ekebes. What are you afraid of in terms of that turnaround?
And catching Jirau is just
Too easy. Well, you got a flamethrower the timbersaw level 25
I's a monster skin a mid lane of barracks down
I mean at this point is as epic as game 1 and game 2 are this is gonna be extreme gaming
Going out of EWC with a whimper.
I have a gem up now at least.
Probably smokes to even have left. I have one on the Largo.
And it looks like about it.
Your best chance right now, as actually, is if Liquid forced the high ground and somehow just
botched that move and clumped terribly.
That would require a lot here.
You always have that Geo Magnetic Group to bail you out of trouble anyway.
And I'm surprised Liquid aren't just chilling a little bit longer.
Get these guys on the same route on MiKaG.
Again, as long as you don't club, I don't think it's too scary.
You can't show the drought of grass, anybody.
You're just gonna get rolled on,
chained, tossed in,
erode.
Not that slow to be honest.
Nothing to say, you...
be waiting for the rest of this game to play.
Perfect, Link can't go.
Death by Flamethrower.
Leave it just that rem that is just annoying for Xtreme.
There's BKB on the centaur, they got the triple BKB.
There's Shumford on Amé.
Of course he used the BKB already.
Now Nisha did jump in but it couldn't get the cost on him fast enough.
So he didn't even have to expend his BKB.
Amé is just so terrified.
If I don't instant DKB, I'm gonna get 100-0ed?
Yeah.
I'm surprised nothing is safe, didn't try for the Fisher on the Emperor Spirit.
Right?
Like, you had to punish Misha one way or the other there.
Whether it was hitting the gust and forcing him to DKB, or maybe getting the Fisher,
follow up, it was slam.
Try and burst him down, stumble then.
Here's the real question, you have to smoke and confess this Roshan.
Well, you're kind of too late to the party here.
Especially if they're going to wrap the long way around because if they go straight through, Nisha's here to block it, but they go all the way around, they're going to be too slow to get to the road shot in time.
They're not even talking.
Aegis is already going to be here.
They'll be giving out on a no team fight.
That is an easy Aegis for Liquid. They're going to get some more rewards on top of it. Give the Aegis to the Tiniest. You can go up the high ground now.
There's only one lane left.
Yeah, just get the AC with an Aegis.
They can't kill you very quickly.
the buildings pretty damn quickly, and you have an extra life to back it all up.
And you have Geomagnetic Grip with the pull, the shard he has.
Of course, of course.
Always Boxie waiting in the wings.
Yeah, we saw it early game, but like mid to late game is where Boxie makes that super
broken.
He goes, you know, he pulls you, then he kicks you back.
So it's like, you know, they're dealing with two different kinds of displacements here.
You're dealing with tiny, offensively displacing heroes, and then you've got Boxy, defensively displacing heroes, which is not the kind of game-draw-ranger wants to play.
No, well, that on Aegis, that's for sure. No, definitely not. Not 10,000 behind this Timbersaw, and 30,000 behind the Team Liquid as a whole.
There's your AC. Probably the last item you're waiting for in this game. He has an amp damage in the bottle as well.
This Tiny is smackin' hard.
Sending down that top lane. Force XG to teamfight you if you don't give him the club.
It looks almost impossible to win a teamfight.
An early six-slot at Timbersaw.
And an EC Tiny timing with three and a half minutes left on the ages.
This is gonna be one of the biggest power spikes of Team Liquid Extreme Gaming.
Gonna have to find a way to hold here. Somehow the gust timing was pretty good.
Didn't want to use the BKB on Almey.
And he won't have to yet.
Catchy look helps him get out.
So they got something, and the Echo Same is going to be put onto the Tiny here with a Fissure hitting many of the backline heroes to refresh, and it finished off the Tiny 1.
But they need more heroes off of that because that was just the Aegis. They expended every bit of nothing to stays kit twice, and they got an Aegis.
That's, I mean, they got Tofu too, but of the other real threats in this game, Nisha and Ace, they were pretty much untouched, unable to capitalize on the other damage sources.
Planky enough to hold the hydra on here.
Here comes Nisha.
Oh, what a jump there with the red net!
That's Tumble's quartiles!
And now Ami is almost dead off of Vickie's jump through.
Nisha, very happy with that jump.
He's going to get a five back, at least one out of extreme gaming.
And they're going to take this full lane.
I mean, there's nothing they can really do to stop it.
Nothing to say.
He doesn't have a BKB, so he's being tacked by damage.
You can't really get the blink in.
Not that he has an eco-slam anyway.
Somehow X-XS manages to hit a stomp on the Amberspirit. Couldn't get the immediate follow-up.
And whether it's the flamethrower or it's the tiny hits, one where they've got the tossback onto Aumann.
E4 starts forward as best as he can and Ketchy Lick to try and deliver a hint of safety.
But the Barracks, they can't do the same kind of retreat.
Narcan is Earthshaker. Once he's in, he's dead without his DKB.
The buildings will not stay standing for long. Mid-game with another beautiful tossback.
They have the avalanche off the flyback since they only hope they've got the hypothermia
stacks on the mid game building up and building up and got the BKB, he turns back around and
smacks down on A.
True tanky.
And that's it, extreme gaming are out.
I don't want to see this.
And Team Liquid will hold on and survive just a bit more in this survival stage of EWC.
I think this is Team Liquid in a nutshell.
They can have a rough tournament.
They can have a rough meta.
They're trying to figure out their hero pools, trying to figure out the draft, but when the
the lights are brightest. They just turn up as players. They make big plays, they make clutch plays.
They're always that little HP ahead, little T-fine ahead, one little clutch play here from
Nika and all of a sudden you're winning a series that might be the start of a pretty
long bracket run here for them, right? They're a scary team to face in this elimination match,
so I don't even care how bad the bet is. They just seem to have some clutch G when it matters,
and that's it. I think SG had a rough road. They started to figure a little bit out in this
series especially that game one I think they played on NTS the best of any game we've seen but ultimately
They just couldn't put it together for this event
And it does leave a lot of questions like what is this XG squad gonna look like when it comes to TI chain on
They can't put it together here. You see you don't have a lot of time to figure that out for us this season
And the next round is gonna be super fun to watch because I mean would you agree to say that liquid and team spirit are
Are the two teams that have the highest variance and highest ceiling sometimes when it comes to this playmaking in-game?
As you said, I feel like both those ones are teams that just can turn it on, right?
It'd be a 1-1 chance that they've been in the past.
100%. You're definitely showing better form right now.
And that goes out of the game. They're the scarier team.
But I think Liquid has the potential to play the fastest of maybe any team here.
Yeah, but no other team is going to play this style of draft in this way where you're just running around that chain telling everybody,
Maybe LGD would, maybe it's a team that comes to mind, or it's a classic like SA Dota, but I think
Spirit or Liquid when they play this are a real threat to Spirit in terms of the
strategical matchup, but they're going to have to come with some extra gameplay, because
it's hard for me to imagine Spirit falling in the same way LGD do in this game.
Like they're better at stabilizing the map, so I think Liquid are going to have to think about,
yeah this strategy works for them, how far can we push this strategy, what else are we going to
enough to show to go deeper in this tournament.
But if they can start to develop some of these heroes,
make a big threats, they got a decent shot.
What a way to be able to close out that game, Nisha.
Popping off the Ember Spirit and taking that double support
kill.
And well, we can go to the man himself on stage.
Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Tate Liquid and Nisha.
Come on.
What a incredible performance.
I would like to personally thank you
That incredible series. It was very fun to watch. Was it fun to play?
The first game I guess but the second game definitely not what what do you mean?
That was the best game that we've seen a long time. Did you guys enjoy game 2?
What do you remember about game 1 I don't recall anything about the game
Barely anything. I think it just went to 50 minutes
And I just remember early game which I sucked and that's it
Well, yep, you always gotta think about what you can improve on, but let's talk a little
bit about that game, too.
That was absolutely insane, 95 minutes long.
How much net worthily do you think you had in game, too?
Maybe 40, but it's like in items that don't even like do anything.
I had like Dominator in my backpack, Shiva in my backpack, so many items, but you cannot
use them, so it comes down to like team fights, I guess.
Indeed, in one point, Tofu had a 12,000 gold as your support.
You guys were 75k ahead.
Oh.
Oh.
I mean, he said he cannot farm anything more.
And then I look here at the AOM disc, travels, and jam.
Like, hello?
Yeah, it certainly came through.
But anyway, that was such an incredible game.
You guys perform under pressure really, really well.
Elimination series, super long.
Game two, you go all out.
In game 3, it's just like, a stump, what do you think happened?
Did you break them with that long game where you guys just had more energy, more used to
these high stress scenarios?
What was that about?
I think we just adjusted the strategy a bit more.
I think it was kind of easier to play.
I had save behind me and we kind of scaled better into the late game so I was just kind
of looking and waiting for the game to end.
I did nothing tiny and Timber carried the game and just played a bit.
Yeah, you can lie as much as you want in these interviews to say you did nothing,
but I think you would, and the audience would agree, I mean, a pretty big part of this game, am I right?
There we go. Sorry, Nisha. You can't escape that kind of stuff.
So, you're on the verge of death coach, Mr. Blitz. How do you think he's going to be doing?
Is he still going to be alive here after this series? Because it was scary to watch.
That guy's already extremely injured, right?
Yeah, his injuries, his sick and everything at once.
And it's so hot in this country, so it's very rough.
All right, fantastic.
Well, you had an incredible series.
It was really, really fun.
But I do think it is time for us to stop the fun
and potentially get down to business.
If I could, get the team to join us up on the stage
because we have some business here to do here at EWC.
I feel a lot.
No, you don't get the trophy yet.
You're not done, you got a long way to go.
Here at EWC, we do have a tradition, my friends,
and that is the following ceremony.
It is time to say goodbye to your enemies
in a very poetic way.
Please hobble on up here, Mr. Blitz.
Thank you so much.
Gentlemen, it is time for us to feed the crusher.
Ladies and gentlemen, please walk this way
as we begin the destruction of extreme gaming.
And here we are! We are opening up! Open the doors and reveal our baby who
hungers for the key! Gentlemen approach the Crusher! Now one of you will be able to
crush us. Who would like to do it? Is anyone excited to destroy the key of
extreme gaming? Anybody want? Any volunteers? Who's the most sadistic among
you, Mickey. No, up. Blitz. You want blitz? Blitz. Step up to the Keymaster. There you
are. Stand there. There's the lever. Within this, my friends, gather around, gather around,
gather the shot. Watch your opponent speak. That's too close. Stand back. Here it comes.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is the end of our stream!
Yes!
Be crushed and be added to you.
Well done, extreme gaming is broken and Team Liquid lives on.
It's like water pressure, like a high pressure water cannon,
except it's steel and a solid, but use your imagination.
And there it is, the crushed keys.
Please, Mr. Keymaster, show it to the team and then show it to the stream, if you will.
Let them see it.
Ladies and gentlemen, the end of Extreme Gaming and the continuation of Liquid!
Thank you for a great, great series, guys.
It was a pleasure and we'll throw it back to the desk for some more, though, to do action.
Thank you very much.
Slacks and congratulations, Team Liquid, for surviving another day in our survival stage.
We got, of course, they're not out as a rival yet, tomorrow, still up for them, but boy oh
boy what a series this was, we're gonna break this game down here with the cost and set-up,
so this game was a lot less close than the other two though.
It was, sorry I'm still shaken by this key destruction, like, it hit different, losing
hits different, like it's rough.
The lags was a little too excited for it.
And it's like they take kind of their, the symbol of their tournament life and then they
just crush it, and yeah okay, well, I mean, I guess that's what happens when you lose.
You win some, you lose some, and you get your keys crushed.
It's what happens when you lose in survival.
I mean, it was a much more convincing game from Liquid.
And I have to admit, I think they made the Miranda look really well.
Like really good, like...
Got to agree.
Miranda, her stocks are definitely going up.
Absolutely.
As a five.
As a five, yeah, as a four.
Still don't want to see too much of her.
But it got the job done because she had so many setups.
And I really liked that Boxy also optimized to go for
A bit of a different tech, instead of going for the damage BKB like he did in that one earlier series
that they played almost the exact same draft against Aurora, this time around he picks up the shard early on
and he just pulls his allies whoever gets initiated on out of the grip, out of the stun, pretty much anything that they throw at them.
Boxie was in a really good spot to pull them out of trouble.
No, they looked really comfortable running this strategy.
I think, well, we've mentioned that this is like a line-up that they run before in the group stage
and with great success also in the sanskas, they had a really rough ending phase back then
and they were able to win the game anyway and this time around they have a much better start
and it came online much quicker. These are the kind of heroes that, I guess it's their comfort zone
in a way, they can be really aggressive, any pairing, any duo of heroes can bring the heat,
kill heroes around the map. Liquid is... they're really good at playing the map, you know, and at
like applying pressure on your opponents. And I think this is something that Extreme,
we've seen them falter to it. They had a much better showing this series, but perhaps, you
know, the pressure of the elimination game, like the norm, norm for mistakes, I think they can,
yeah, they looked a little bit more shaky in this game. But again, Liquid applied an insane
amount of pressure on them. Yeah. And we also saw the adaptation from, from game to game and
potentially extreme gaming adapted just wrongly in Liquid 5 had at it and was already prepared for that adaptation that extreme gaming
Yeah, I feel like they ran out of steam a little bit
You know I mean their steam was probably up still because they played a game in steam
But I mean they didn't have enough in this third game because the game second game was so long
The first game was also long. It felt like liquid. They just had so much more
They had the energy and everything and once they started running at them
They didn't have enough to punch back which you know, maybe in these high pressure situations
Like that overall is just a better team because they have like on the other side
You also have quite a lot of experience but recently from what we've seen extreme gaming
They kind of don't work too well knowing that like what's on the line and knowing that ti is in Shanghai again
That everybody's watching, you know, you got to perform and maybe it gets a little under their skin
Yeah, that pressure might might get you and especially after two of those very long games
we saw at the start of the series, Game 3, they just could not make it happen.
But they did still have some moves earlier on.
But the moment that the mid game begins, Lacoste,
you want to take us to that moment because Team Liquid,
they were just, okay, kicking into gear, we're going.
Yeah, it's how Team Liquid plays.
We have these sacrificial carries that we like to talk about.
Mikkei definitely being one of them.
And his tiny, like once he gets online,
a lot of situations where he just picks up a blink dagger,
and a really nice wraparound coming up from Team Liquid where he goes in, finds a two-man avalanche
plus the toss. The Fisher, it looks good, but damage has already been done. Okay, immediately.
Marana with the arrow, of course, MVP of this whole series, most definitely. No jokes. And then
you have the rest of the follow-up. You see like the killer instinct kicking in, Nisha with the rest
of the team, making sure that they have very good chase potential. And as soon as they kill one or two
heroes, immediately they're going to be able to go for more. And of course, Shaver, we have to show
something else this is big Marana moonlight shadow praise the moon of
Mayne look at this arrow coming in and making sure that that's not just gonna
grant them the one kill and tofu has been very good on this Marana like with
the arrow coming out from behind or like not even completing the animation as
well and so many heroes in this game that she can really play with and all of
this because like they have very good cheese potential once you start running
with this type of a draft enemy team, they can't really, like, they can't outch it, like,
they can't run away. And on top of that, they're also going to be getting the Xperia
rune as well. And at this point of the game, the game kind of already feels over because
the timing that they did have, maybe some of the early moves that Xtreme and Gaming did
have, it just completely nullified.
Yeah. And Lacoste, it seems like you've been kind of hit by democracy here because you
call Tofu the MVP of this series. And no, you can be wrong. You think very well, I don't
I don't want to say anything wrong with me, but democracy struck and Tofu did not win the MVP.
It was Ace that won the MVP set.
Yes, yes, and I shall represent democracy by myself. That's my version of it.
No, I mean, I think, okay, you can make an argument for many of the liquid players.
I think Miki could be in that conversation too, Boxy, like obviously Nisha.
But I think Ace had a rough group stage and in this whole series he really stepped up this game.
And I think in this game in particular it was a very, very dominant Timbersaw game.
We've seen him play the Centaur with a great build, the Darkseer, massive impact on the game.
And the Timbersaw 3 was really like the chair on the cake where innovative build to Facebook's Timber.
You don't see that often.
They seem to have picked up like a lot of, they seem to be more on the same page,
him and Boxxy on how they want to approach the game, like how they select their heroes,
how they complement each other, how they play the laning phase, and how they scale into the game.
I think Ace has always been like a farm oriented player, I think he's very confident in his ability
to like scale to his micro, also how good he is at checking his buttons and how he can scale
into the game and I think we're really, we've really seen it this series and what I like is
His ability to also connect with his team and use what's happening in the game while maintaining like a really high net worth
This timber was he was so
So he was crazy. His timber is not what he's really known for. This is not as like you think of ace
It's not like everything. Oh, yeah, his timber. His timber is sub 50% win rate in his professional career
But in this one he definitely delivered
Sometimes, you know, you might need to throw in a couple of games where you lose
But in this one understanding like you talked about the atomization the phase boots are playing against a draw ranger
Having extra bit of armor and mobility in a team fight. So it feels really good
And the ace I feel like him and boxy found what they were looking for something that has been missing in the group stage
And now they're kind of ready
They're kind of ready to make this and I'm not gonna say lower bracket run because there it is single elim
So they have to go through survival and in the playoffs against single elimination
So I feel like team liquid definitely powered up. Yeah, they really did
We already heard before the series even began. Nisha was not talking about extreme gaming
He was not talking about liquid
He was talking about Yankees later down the line already in his head making it past that survival stage
But by beating extreme gaming, which was very hot for hard fought and potentially this was exactly what they needed to be
Starting that run they will now tomorrow go up against team spirit and I think that's gonna be a very good series, but
We're not done yet today. We have still got a series coming your way
Our first series is now done. Elimination complete. One more elimination on the line on this stream with LGD vs. Maus as our upcoming series, Seb.
Some wise words on this series, please.
Words? But wise, I don't know, you have to tell me. I do have words for that series.
I mean, LGD, I think they started off really strong. I think everybody kind of expected them to be one of the top teams here.
They're very entertaining to watch. They have a very innovative way of draft.
I think they play heroes that other teams don't, you know, we've seen like budges and whatnot.
It's always fun to see them play.
I think they had a rougher end to the group stage in a sense.
Like they had a couple losses that probably they didn't expect.
And I think they fell short against like the strongest, the strongest teams here,
which you could argue are Yandex and 1W.
So they're gonna, they're probably looking to prove themselves again,
like make sure that, you know, they are a little bit above the back.
As for Maus, I think it's been, I mean, we didn't get to see them play as much on the stream, but I think it's been, you know, a little bit shaky.
Like, it's one of the teams that is, we know their potential, and we know they can definitely turn into one of the top teams here, but there's...
And they also play part.
Yeah, they play part. I don't know if that's a good news for them, but no, I mean, I always love myself a bit much, but I think they have more work to do on finding their identity.
So I'm really looking forward to see how they put that day off to use, and what version of themselves they're going to show today.
are going to show today. Well we are going to see that very soon because we are going to get the
teams ready on stage but before we get there we are first going to check in with Chris who has a
conversation with Slacks about some of his confessions.
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this is slacks confessions and I am not sure what to expect from it frankly um I've been
giving some questions to ask you uh some of your history around your esports career
And this is going to go one of two ways either we'll never work again or it'll be a really good content piece.
So let's find out which one is going to be before the starts.
I'd like to apologize the allegations.
You guys will see the tweet longer after this one.
OK, the the allegations are not true.
And I would like to apologize for them ahead of time.
Go ahead.
Do you think you should get more credit for the Blink witch doctor build?
Absolutely. Do I think that's not going to be hard questions.
These pro players don't know shit, all right?
Listen, I was in a car one time with a mid one.
No, there's no one, actually.
And I was telling them about my Battle Hunger Axe
back in the day.
You go back in the day,
0% of people got Battle Hunger first on Axe.
I talk to him about it, he understands it.
Boom, what do we see?
Battle Hunger Axe next time.
Last Dream League, which is part of EWC.
Nobody playing Witch Doctor.
I get coached by two pros.
I show them, here's my Witch Doctor build.
Blink first, team Blink one now, doing witch doctor.
They're hacks, absolutely.
Not even a question, yes.
So someone say you're passionate about this?
No, I'm not.
This is me not passionate.
Everyone knows the pro players are hacks
and just watch my stream, but go ahead.
Something about gree-gree, I'll be in that set.
Now, gree-gree.
I'll tell you all about this, baby.
You can tell me.
Any witch doctor that uses a gree-gree is a coward.
It doesn't give you any money, hardly.
It just grows in money.
If you finish the game with the gree-gree,
the emotional damage is harder than anything else. Never cash OG, which doctor point we'd
never hit that Gregory. We never hit the gritty, as I call it. The grizzly. The gritty,
the grizzly, the L of it, baby. Yeah, we'll go with that. Tell me about the loathsome
Dung Eater. The loathsome Dung Eater. All right. This is the name of the Warlock Golem.
All right, back in the day. That's my personal name for my personal Warlock Golem. I bought
the name tags. You can still buy them $2.99 in the shop. Thank you, Valve Software. I
I get a dollar every time someone buys one.
Excellent.
You can summon the loathsome dung eater
from the little poop circle and it comes out and they explode.
That's all you need to know.
It says that you call them poop boys.
The poop boys, that's right.
Warlocks, slow.
Gork calls it the soup.
He ain't never, I've never seen no soup like that.
All right, it looks like a swirling toilet.
The loathsome dung eaters come out and they attack.
This is the easiest AMA I've ever done.
Okay.
Where's the allegations?
or one of the allegations was something you said in Chinese once upon a time, I've been told not to talk about it.
I'll tell it, I don't get shit.
I've been told, I might get wrong.
Does Karuki still hit you for the winners' boss comment?
That's a tough one.
For those of you who don't know, it was TI, Team Liquid.
I was running around trying to get some information and I approached a fan and I said,
Hey, how's liquid doing? And they're like, they won. They won. They're great.
So, uh, got in the bus later, long day, 16-hour day, get on the bus.
And I see all of Team Liquid there, and I walk in the bus.
Oh, no.
And I say, boys, I must be on the winner's bus, baby.
I sit down next to Purge, and his face, I've never seen anything like it.
He looks at me, and he's like, what is wrong with you?
And I said, what do you mean?
And he said, they just got too old. They got eliminated. They're done.
And I look back, and the entire team is just as angry as I've ever seen.
Can I really get it like, like I'm on the winner's bus.
It was bad.
So I think he forgave me though.
Coro has grown a lot since back then.
I can understand if you didn't forgive you.
That's pretty damning.
Why don't you like eating cheese?
Can't tell that one on story.
You can't tell that one.
This whole story that I'm not allowed to share.
Yeah, that one will go in the bank just
because this is a kid's stream.
This is for children.
This is for children.
Okay, well, we're skipping by that one.
Why are there so many Reddit threads
about how toxic you are?
People are noobs.
What do you want me to say?
What do you want me to say?
You want me to say they're right?
You ever eat at a restaurant and have a delicious meal
and go, oh, let me write a Reddit thread about that?
How yummy!
Everybody has a great time with me.
99% of people have a great time with me.
Now, I make mistakes.
Okay?
I, number one rule,
never flame someone that you think is smart enough
to be able to write a Reddit thread.
Now, sometimes I get that wrong.
A few of them get through the net, but I got to say,
to anyone out there that I flamed and made a reticent,
I apologize, I am open, I'm trying to change my ways.
I went through some dark times, send me a DM,
let's get some tickets for dark carnival.
Let's co-op bots, I'm ready to forgive if you are.
That shows real growth.
If you can open up the game and send a request,
I'm sure that I saw a lot of misplays, a lot of misclicks,
but if you can manage to do that, I will accept.
We'll see if they can manage if you go back in time. What would you change about moon duck? I
Would fire purge immediately the second he walked in that door. I would let him go
What a what a goddamn mistake dude?
Just absolutely lovely guy. I she would think so that's what I thought. Okay, that's what I could have been the top of the
Tiffany top I could have been your boss. I could have been the boss of this place
it wasn't for purge gamers and his
God damn weather man, alright?
Every day.
How do you think EWC would be different if you were in charge?
We would have been out of business a long time ago, so I'm happy that didn't work out.
I wouldn't change that thing, actually.
I love being here.
Thank you.
Oh, thank God.
Well, Slacks, thank you very much.
We have some games to watch now, but yeah, no, that was...
That was something.
Yeah, thank you very much.
I'm sure we have plenty more confessions that we can get from Slacks, but let's probably
get back to the serious stuff instead.
None of it was true. None of it was true.
Heh.
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Mouses for Dota 2 at Esports World Cup live from Paris and the best of three to decide which one can stay and which one will have to go
And I think we're starting a little bit here with LGD
I think Lacoste because this is a team that comes from the group of death
Yeah, this is the team that has been through all of it pretty much
But also managing to punch back. This is the team that
Nobody can really roll over a lot of the times you will see this team like have very even games
maybe some even longer games as well, but the team that has a relatively unique play style as well,
we did mention some of the heroes that they do play and I think this matchup in particular
is gonna be in favor of LGD just because I would say Maus has almost similar play style to P-Time
who you know if we go back to TI qualifiers they got 3-0 because this is a very chaotic team like
I think both now maybe now's more on slightly strategic side, but I feel like a team like LGD who is more stable like
Just seeing the players and everything the achievements, especially the guy that we're seeing on screen
I'd say Yuma especially last the I he was my top three carries in that tournament
This guy definitely goes under a lot of people radars where he does it like he would not get mentioned
But very stable carry and carry that is gonna be carrying the games pretty much single-handedly
I gotta point out also that maybe on the side of LGD, Tylong is on a little bit of a high
because in the 1v1 mid-seb, he smashed it.
Yeah, he's amazing. I think this guy, he's really...
He's made a name for himself in a very short amount of time.
I suffered his talent first hand because we, like, OG had a series versus him
and he had losing much of both games and came out on top both games, like pure 1v1, nobody getting involved.
Like this guy, he's the kind of player that can make the difference out of nowhere just by himself
So mouse is gonna have to keep him, you know on the radar because
In a single-a-limb situation, you know, all of a sudden you lose a lane you're not supposed to the game is harder than it should be
And you're on the losing side of things. So they have to watch out for this claim
They really really do for LGD
This is a team to watch out for they came third in group D and Tylong the youngest player
here in Paris for Dota 2. Winning that 1v1 mid might have been enough to get his
confidence back on track here on the main stage. Let's find out how LGD got to
this EWC to begin with. In the history of Dota, LGD has consistently been among
the top of Chinese Dota until now. Not because they're no longer at the top,
they're just at the top of South America instead. This current iteration of LGD
He formed when the org picked up the South American roster of Heroic, Yuma, Tylong, Whisper,
Theolokor, and KJ.
Since the team didn't have enough points to qualify to EWC directly, their road to EWC
involved playing in the qualifier for their last chance to make it.
Since LGD was already in Europe to play another tournament, they decided to play on hard mode
through the Western Europe qualifier instead, which they managed very easily, only dropping
one single map against Nabi in the process.
So, massive congratulations to them as well.
They will be going to play at EWC 2026.
Clearly, despite lacking the points to directly qualify,
LGD has earned their spot to be here.
With very strong results in the past few months,
they're definitely a top team to look out for here
at the Esports World Cup 2026.
They've been the first team from South America
to have been in a Grand Finals of a Tier 1 event.
That was the most recent tournament they played, as well as with the expectations.
R-High for LGD coming into this one.
But the main question for me is, Lacoste, how could they make this jump?
What caused them to go from, you know, we're steadily top 8, top 6 here and there,
you know, if they're doing well, to, boom, Grand Finals?
I mean, it's been like years of grinding pretty much for all of these players that maybe have never, like, won tournaments,
but they've been in the scene for a really long time with the combination of new blood coming into the scene,
like you get some new fresh ideas, you get a new kid on the block that is going to be
kind of carrying as well from the mid lane.
I think you need to have that confidence as well, because
in these type of teams, like you have like a lot of old school players like Whisper.
He's been known like you had him on the team as well.
He's been known that this has been one of the best offlaners in the world.
He has been the best South American offlaner for a really long time.
And also, like the stability that he brings to the table, has very interesting hero pool.
He also did switch the mid lane because he was playing the off-lane heroes from the mid lane,
collected some of the XP there, returned to the off-lane where he kind of belongs,
but also expanded his hero pool a little bit.
Yeah, Whisper has been doing really well for the squad.
Player that always gets mentioned also when we're talking about LGD, well too, actually,
it's the safe lane with Yuma and KJ. They've also been stepping it up, so...
Yeah, they have been. These are two players that now are, they have a lot of habits.
Like they've been playing together that lane for a really long time.
They're a laning duo that's very comfortable with each other.
And I think it gives that team a lot of stability because they have these,
I don't want to call them hit or miss because it's more like hit, hit, hit, hit, hit,
and eventually miss, but tie long and whisper. These are very,
yeah, it's hard to know what to expect them. They're going to go for the winning place, you know,
You know, they're risk takers, essentially, and it pays off very often,
but I think having that safe lane that is like stable,
Yuma is a very structured player, obviously very talented, very explosive too,
and he can just take games and carry them.
But, you know, he knows exactly how he wants the game to be played,
what are his timing, so he brings a lot of structure from the carry position,
which is not often the case, and I feel like he basically allows Tylong and Whisper
to have a little bit more freedom in how they want to play the game, whether they want to be
playing very aggressively or more on the farmy side of things. So I think that dynamic fits them really well.
Yeah, when you're talking about structure, I want to focus on their opponents here because
Maus actually in interviews have said that the structure, for example in drafting, is really
there. Rather people are saying what they like to play, which is very different from what a lot of
other players do here at this tournament. So I'm curious how they feel about this upcoming matchup.
Let's hear from CrystalList.
Hello, I'm here with CrystalList from TeamMouse. How are you doing today?
I'm doing fantastic.
Great. You've been sitting around with your team, waiting for the matches to come up.
How's your vibe right now?
Very bored, mainly.
Well, I mean, you don't get to play Dota, I suppose, so that's the fun part of the day.
Yeah, or anything else, but really, if they sit in a chair and wait for the next year's stand, hopefully it's a 2-0.
If it's not, they're going to wait an extra hour, but you know, we'll see.
That's tournament Dota sometimes.
You guys went 4-6 in your group, a little underperforming, I'm sure you guys are a little disappointed.
You're up for elimination. What's your EWC journey been like so far?
You know, anything. We're not even that disappointed because we stuck way harder in the I-Quals than before that too.
So right now it's actually going to get a decent, you know, we have a chance. This is up from before for sure.
That's true. I mean, you're not eliminated yet. You definitely could do it.
I spoke to mid-1 early in the tournament. It was coming off of a loss and he said that you guys were sometimes not on the same page in your game.
How do you solve that problem as a pro team? It seems very difficult to make sure everybody plays as a cohesive unit
I would love if someone could answer that for me because I also don't know otherwise you'd probably be doing better
I was hoping you would know the answer. That's too bad. Okay, so so it's not my fault when we lose our pubs
So it'll be the same for me. All right. Um, what's your prep like for LGD right now?
Are you guys ready for the Husqa?
Is there any other weird cheese stuff that you're gonna have to play against?
You want me to reveal all my strats before we play?
You get a lude to them, you can tell me how confident you are, the fact that you're not confident.
I mean, the thing is, I'm the same as always, I play like a three-heros and if those are banded, it's over, you know?
Razor, Monkey, who's the third? No, you don't have to tell me.
My Huskar is amazing. I'm a Bloodseeker.
Okay, so the Huskar's up for contention, is what you're saying.
Of course.
You're gonna pick it first, show him who the real Huskar player is.
Of course, there is a sure Huskar death.
Can you talk to me about Huskar safe lane versus Huskar mid? What are the major differences?
You always see the last levels, but you could dump certain off-lane heroes in there.
It's the same thing.
You tell the enemy hero against you more than anything else in the world, and then he doesn't
want to play anymore, and then you win on accident.
Okay, and hopefully he disconnects early.
Yeah, like it's the plan.
That's a good strategy to have.
Well, thank you for joining me for the interview, and I hope you don't have to wait too much
longer for your upcoming match.
I hope so too.
Thank you.
Oh, this hits different.
I know when this interview was recorded.
It was recorded before game 2 of Liquid vs. Extreme, the game that lasted 90 minutes.
So he didn't have to wait a lot longer for his game to start and hopefully it doesn't
affect him too much.
It seems like it's an upbeat boot anyway, Sam, you know, it's almost going in no expectations.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm comparing this interview to the Nisha interview where he's
like already almost talking about the grand finals and how he's planning to celebrate
after he gets the trophy.
And he was like, yeah, I don't really know how to fix being on the same page or not.
So hopefully they fix it. I think Crystal is also very known for being a funny guy, especially in interviews, so don't take all his words, you know, like...
Oh yeah, they're falling apart. They're disbanding as we speak right now.
I'm sure...
It's not happening.
I'm sure he's five heroes.
He has more. When I was checking his hero pool, I had the double triple check, kind of, that the hero that he has been playing, that this is from this tournament, actually, not from like six months ago or something,
or something because he's I think he has the weirdest hero pool from the carat role
we share with the group yet we have phantom lancer the only one who has lost with it even though
every single other PL did win he has one loss and blood seeker he has razor monkey king he
does have bristleback dragonite and yeah and the blood and the blood seeker I don't know if you
mentioned this all right I mean it some of these heroes are like signature for him at this point
Maybe they started off with him trying to fit in and then realized that, hey, I just want to play my heroes.
He is part of the infamous creep wave stack, which the golden rule is like hero specialist, clear heroes, and make them meta.
So, I mean, we've seen other teams maybe get a page out of his book, in a sense.
Like we've seen BV team play the Bloodseeker too, with great success.
so perhaps some interesting ideas that are going to eventually get conveyed to other teams.
Yeah, and Crystal has cancelled his Dota Plus subscription, so you can't even see
these Grantmasters. Yeah, but we know. We've seen him around enough. We know what he plays.
Interestingly enough, when Maus played against P-Vision during the group stage,
one of the strategies that Poppy had against his former teammate,
of Chrysalis was all seven bands were targeting Chrysalis.
So he has at least seven heroes,
and that's when he played DK, by the way.
That's how you fix conflicts between X teammates.
It's like you just settle it with,
we're targeting them with the bands,
making them have a reader of time.
I'm just wondering, like,
because you talked about Bloodseeker,
and they also mentioned it in an interview
that they adjusted the item build on the Bloodseeker,
So I assume they got inspired by Crystallis as well, maybe they kind of called out that
some things need to be fixed, but also getting the right ideas, maybe just like not having
the complete the right idea, but the ideas that they have could definitely be improved.
But other than that, cool ideas that other teams are also starting copying.
Do you think it's going to be very important for any team facing Maus to shut down in particular
Crystallis like Pete Wigendon, or do you want LGD to focus elsewhere on this match?
You know, I personally don't think you have to tunnel vision for Stalys in particular.
I think they have very capable players that, you know, I think of Yamich for instance,
he's been very known for also certain, like very limited hero pool, even though he obviously
can play much more, but they've just had so much success with some of these heroes, like
I'm thinking about his Toss, you know, his Nixx, Assassin or certain melee heroes, which
they just seem completely unstoppable when they got their hands on these kind of heroes.
To me, one of the big questions will be around Mid-1, like what kind of Mid-1 are we getting?
Because I think when Mid-1 is on, he's really hard to stop.
I think he usually raises to the stakes of big events and you know, single-lead him.
You know, usually like Mid-1 at TI, EWC, single-lead him.
I think this is where we could really see him trying.
I think he's super important for that team in terms of like setting up the pace of the
game and the tempo.
And again, I think it's a really good match for Midlaners like Earth Spirit and Burst of
Diesel are very dominant and he's very comfortable in those so.
Yeah, I mean I have to agree.
The way that they won that one Valakia was pretty crazy.
Nobody expected them big underdogs but they also played their own style and they are staying
through to their own style like even here at EWC.
And one thing I liked about Midlaner is I think I was covering some qualifier games as
And dude, he buys back seven minutes in and then buys back again at like 15 minutes and they win the fight off of that
And they wouldn't the game off of that on Stormsburg, which is you're not gonna be seeing any other players do the same kind of a thing
You're not it's also interesting to note that Smith one is our oldest mid laner here at EWC whereas Thailand is of course the youngest
Midlaner youngest player, so there's a 13 year difference in between the mid lane. That's a that's a large number
We're gonna see if that has any implications
in the upcoming best of three so we're gonna have LGD and mouse fighting to survive here in the survival stage and for that
We're gonna head over to the stage
Thank you very much shiver. Did you know that there's 33 years of difference between the slacks?
I'll have you try to figure out how that goes
But let's go back to a previous game because that age doesn't extra
43 years in game to team liquid pushing it to past 90 minutes and
and earning the win to take it to three and close it out.
I don't play Dota to no numbers, okay?
I don't even know what armor does,
but I will say, game go that long, game go, be good.
95 minutes is absolutely crazy.
The entire time of that series was peak.
Send him a Dota, baby.
That is what I am after in this world.
You send him up, you knock him down.
Game three went out and now we move
to our second series of the day.
Still, of course, in survival.
Let's see who is the fittest for this one.
Our first team joining us on the stage, LGD Gaming!
Hell yeah, coming in after a place from Group D,
you can feel it on here.
It went down to a shadow fiend, 1v1 with Tylon!
The youngest man in the game, saving the day.
In the next few hours, this will be the biggest test
for our elite South American squad.
They've seen main stage success before.
is survival in their books.
That's serious.
That's some serious stuff.
I mean, there's a very serious team.
Talk about a scrappy team.
Talk about a team that will pull out anything
that they need to to survive.
The crowd loves them, and I love watching them too.
However, another scrappy team is up against them, my friend.
A team that you should absolutely not underestimate.
May I welcome to the stage, Team Mouse!
Just the mouse you can't get rid of you know it's like going to America on the
Mayflower baby you can't get rid of these rats they are here they are fighting
and run you think they're weakest that's when they bite you with a plague baby
this team is incredible for their ability to take off games from what they
think are stronger teams and they're just inability to die there's gonna be one
Heck of a match here for you. We're both teams are sure to pick out some crazy stops and some heroes
You might not have seen it quite some time
I'm telling you somebody's gonna be squeaking through this game
And I don't know if it's the mice or the LGD is on the other side. I am I'm gonna be squealing about this game
Take your spots, let's go mouse LGD place your keys take your seats and remember to shake hands before this one
Oh, yeah, they better shake hands.
I want to spit in the hand and go for it.
Oh, no, spitting.
Be nice, Penta.
There we go.
All smiles.
All right.
Well, this match is about to begin.
So I hope you guys are all ready.
Let's throw it over to our panel to see what they have to say.
Thank you very much, gentlemen.
LGDM Milds, I want to talk about the play style
they've been showcasing so far.
It feels like it's pretty mixed in terms of how they place it.
It is in terms of, like, you know, success that they find.
But I think the playstyle is a guarantee in the sense that we're gonna get explosive games action packed
I think both teams are very aggressive very aggressive
Looking to you know get ground as early as possible in the game
Yeah, so and they don't back up from fights. That's what I'm thinking too. I'm thinking it's probably gonna be a brawl coming this way
Oh, absolutely
This is gonna be one of those games where nobody's gonna back down like we've seen something similar a few days ago
where we had like 20 kills in 10 minutes and I think we're gonna be seeing the
same thing in this one like we draw a lot of attention to the mid lane but some
of the teams also drew attention through the twin gates where we had like eight
heroes fighting and I think that the same thing is gonna happen in this series
because both of these teams are pretty chaotic I would say LGD more controlled
chaos compared to the other side where it's just like go-go-go kind of a style
of Dota that is working out for mouse and I feel like with the players that they
have with the coach, I feel like everything is going to stay the same, because these type
of players, they kind of thrive in that environment.
Yeah, we saw Marcy in the crowd. Do you think that we'll see Marcy in the game as to the
cost level?
Marcy players, the damage is a Marcy player for sure. On the LG side, Marcy player, I
don't think so. I mean, when Marcy position one was the thing, I'm sure Yuma has played
it a couple of times, but quite unlikely. I don't know, this year was very, very good
right now.
What you might have not played yet, then what I kind of was expecting is one of the games. Yeah, a meepo
Everybody knows that when you play versus him you have to think of meepo like obviously he's
Won a lot of games with that hero. It's a sort of a cheesy picker now
And I don't think the hero is good enough to just be picked like that
It has to be a good meepo game and it has to yeah
Exploit weaknesses of the opponent's draft. So we have to see I mean
He's been big on the London, I think he lost two games on London actually, but it was against Yandex, if I'm not mistaken.
So, you know, I'm sure they're gonna have some readjustments in the draft and hero priority more importantly.
We'll have to see, I think both teams have very wide hero pools.
I think it's the same for Maus, where obviously Christalis we talked about his pool as being a little bit niche.
The same could be said about Mid-1, like with Mid-1 you never know what you're getting.
You can get like a tiny mid, one game, you can get a tanker mid, or you can get your
classic Ember, Storm, you name it, teams have monkey king players, you know, on both sides.
This is a bunch of crazy things that we could see, I think I'm ready to be surprised, basically.
Yeah, definitely interesting hero pools, like from all the roles pretty much, mostly mid,
some offline crazy stuff like Pudge of course coming out, but Yamage, his hero pool is exclusively
position for melee heroes except for Grimstroke that also a lot of teams don't want to touch.
So it's going to be interesting to see because boom, he also has relatively small hero pool.
It also could come down to him playing hero like Viper.
They only played it one time, didn't find much success.
This hero looks atrocious so far.
I believe he is sitting at one win and nine losses of 10% win rate on the hero and also
playing maybe more range oriented offlaners like a Batrider or something that also Whisper
could try to throw in. So we're going to be seeing a bit of a different hero pulls.
These teams definitely don't play what we call meta, even though like meta is
definitely evolving as tournament goes on, but we're going to have to see.
Heavy focus on the LGD specialties already from mouse aside, if you look at the bands
like Beastmaster, Enigma and Batrider, these are first phase bands we don't see
that often, but against LGD it makes a lot of sense. And with the Enigma being
Could it be like a setup for laundered? I'm wondering. I don't know if Kristallis is that much of a laundered fan though
We'll have to see
This leaves a lot of strong heroes in the pool like this leaves
Earthspirit which has been one of the most contested heroes of the tournament it leaves keeper of the light
It leaves clockwork a shadow theme draw ranger all of these good things are left in the pool because mouse as you said
They heavily focused the offline not so much even the offline because LGD
They also played Beastmaster from the mid lane. It looked very good. You go for the same build
We saw I think one of the Eastern European teams as well go for the carry Beastmaster still going for the same bill
So flexible pick in a sense and it is gonna be a long road for them. Yeah, there we go
I mean they set it up with the bands. These are three good heroes against 100. So I think
Kind of telegraph. I mean in the sense that I'm sure LGD knew exactly what they were getting into
So we'll see what answer, you know, they were preparing for the laundry they banned a which is very uncommon
So what could it be perhaps Necro or Oscar like they're being Oscar team and you know, we we we saw Kristallis mentioning
There it is. There it is. So they said this this one up. So honestly, like both teams should know what's happening
I mean, Nigma has been a pretty common answer for laundry
So first first phase Ben and Nigma means laundry is coming and first phase Ben a means Oscar is coming
So both teams got what they wanted from this opener, and we'll see which idea is superior.
I think there's a chance that they potentially run this loan druid in the mid lane.
I guess Huskar basically two heroes. This is something that people do against Huskar in the mid lane, try to outnumber him.
No, it doesn't sound like a bad matchup actually, not that I think about it.
It sounds like a really good matchup actually.
We'll have to see, because I saw Tylong win Husker vs. Sniper matchup, so maybe he doesn't care.
And he can handle the underdraid also, but that would mean that mid-1 would play the underdraid, which I'm not sure it's part of his kit.
Anything is doable if you're brave enough, at least that first game, and then you have to see.
I mean, if you don't care about the results, it's always doable.
You know you could just like go there and feed your brains out and just lose the game
But you know you did what was required now feed your bears out in this one, maybe if you if you can't play
In separation are there any other heroes that are like especially good against a house car?
I think a lot of heroes are pretty good in this house card like usually summon heroes are the best
But the beast is out already ending my doubts London is pretty decent in my opinion
Lycan is amazing against Huskar. What else would you have? It mostly is about
also the lane matchup which is why the cast was mentioning like already you
know taking a more innovative approach and try to shut him down because you
know Kristalln said it best it's like you play versus Huskar you can't touch
creeps literally from the beginning you don't want to play the game you just want
outs so that's just what Huskar does it's like he essentially
It deletes a core from the game.
One thing that you can do in this matchup is...
We talked about Marcy. We saw it in the crowd as well.
It's a specialty for Maus. This is something that Yamage plays.
You can manipulate the creep waves with the flying courier early on
if you're playing the unfavorable matchup against Haskar.
Interesting, actually. I didn't think of that.
I have to put some faults into it now.
I'll say my faults.
Probably not gonna be, but maybe some braver teams would be able to pull up.
be able to pull up. I mean, I'm not gonna say, I'm probably gonna say that Nauseous is probably
one of the more brave demons out there because the way they play, they stick their own ideas
and maybe something like crazier can't even happen because they don't strike me as a
team that's just gonna be going for, let's call it normal stuff.
Yeah, isn't Primal Beast also a mid hero that can like take the quick wave into the jungle
and basically jungle or is that kind of not an option here?
I mean, he can, but a lot of things can go wrong, like Primal Beast versus Huskar is like you really can never show on the lane.
It's like a horrible matchup.
Worst in the long run.
It's way worse.
It's like one of the worst.
It's like midi hero against Huskar, almost any midi hero is like you just can't lane from the get go.
So if for some reason the support is free to mess with you trying to manipulate creep waves, then you're really, you're just starving.
Heroes that I think are pretty okay against Huskar, like Netro has been, you know, it's a big meta hero.
So it's always been good against Haskar, you also have Undying which I think is pretty good
especially with the new build where it's all about like sustaining because if Haskar ever
gets hit by the Undying ulti he will just die to any other hero, you know, focusing
him down and the Soul Rift build, like sustain essentially is good against Haskar, at the
end of the day he might be hard to kill, he's damage over time and still a bit of target
damage so if you have a lot of sustain it becomes easier.
It's actually interesting, I was wondering when we would see that, like the Jekiro versus
Klock, because Klock has been one of the highest contested heroes, like highly contested heroes
and we've seen some Jekiro, double attack against Klock is super handy.
It's very nice, it's also a four head strategy, if this is going to be two heroes laning against
like it, you need to kill pretty much four of them, you have Bear, you have Hisama, and
you have double headed Jekiro in this lane and Yamach tusk is going to come out.
It's one of his classics, it's one of his overall best, probably most successful hero.
This is how they won that Valakia that we did mention early on.
It's a hero that I think at the time he had 80% win rate in the tournament, being the
Tusk spammer and giving you that like soft reset as well with this novel.
Tag team going to be super efficient against house guard throughout the whole game, extra
bit of a damage because you get it for the bear, you get it for the loan droid himself
as well.
Quick question, because you guys are talking about the double attack of Jakiro being good
against clock, but overall clockwork has always been a counter to jikiro because the battery
assault will interrupt anything jikiro even wants to do. Does that cancel each other out?
Like what wins? What counters what? I mean, in the game, they don't really interact with each
other. I mean, clock probably has the upper hand, but one of the biggest issues about clock is this
clock spell. It's not okay. It's not okay. It's really hard to play against it and he kind of
damage control lanes that no other hero could really
you know fix and or dominates them so
this mainly is the only presence that you need to address i think if you want
to like deal with talk
and if you're happy with your hero as a hero well that's like a
you know
uh... one one one son to two bird your
damage controlling what clock will do when you're also getting yourself like
a good hero i like the combination of heroes from from also think it's a good
mix of like physical damage
They have AoE, they have control, they have magic damage, like it's a strong looking draft already.
That is an interesting pick, because, okay, Darkseer into Laundred is quite surprising to me.
Laundred used to be one of the best heroes against Darkseer on lane, because he doesn't suffer the Iron Shells,
because the bear is just tanking the damage and you can just resummon.
And you can also just change the Darkseer down, like you have a lot of ways to root him.
a very dangerous lane for Darsir, but at the same time we've seen these Darsir players,
they don't even come to the lane when they don't want to play.
What lane?
What lane are they talking about?
So unless there's like a Bonnie Hunter in the end of the day scouting me, I'm good to
go.
Okay, sure, fair enough.
You should not go on a lane then Darsir is a good pick.
Maybe that's the reasoning actually here, it's like Longdraid, Jekiro, yeah.
I'm not going there.
The reason why we are seeing some of these heroes go to jungle is their force are trying
to soak up some of the damage if the lane is not strong, but this is a strong killer lane
whether this is going to be Jekiro with the Loan Druid or if it's going to be Jekiro
with, sorry, it's going to be Loan Druid with the Tusk, you still have ways of killing
the heroes and Vibran, I would say very good pick up here making sure that against Loan
Druid, against Tusk Tag Team you can always have something and you know we've seen
Hero is also dying, even though it's not as good as it was before, like it depends whether you have Magnum Scepter or not.
We saw also Lone Druid, the Hero walking out of the range, breaking the Winter Scars as well, because he's too far away.
And this is going to be the counter. I believe you mentioned the Sniper versus the Huskar matchup.
And they, even though they have some ways of closing the gap with the Darkseer, Ion Surge on top of that,
the Clockwork with the Hookshot, Sniper, he can still defend himself against it.
Yeah, this is mainly a shut down the Huskar, you know, don't give him the early game advantage he wants.
Traditionally, a very good matchup for Sniper.
We had Yopaz on OG play this matchup against Thylon Huskar.
He actually lost the lane to the Huskar, so we'll have to see if this was just like a conner, you know, like a poor performance, basically, or...
Or if the matchup has changed, because it's also a possibility.
Like, both heroes are very different from what they used to be.
So we'll have to see, maybe this sniper against Huskar is a bait or maybe a worst funder.
Either way, I'm still looking at the lineup from LGD.
I think it's very well rounded.
At some point, this Huskar is going to stop dying.
As soon as they have this Wyvern, maybe a Blink Dagger on the Wyvern or not,
like the Curse plus the Cold Embrace, it's going to be very hard to kill this Huskar.
So the teamfight is going to be heavily in LGD's favor, in my opinion.
Maus, they're going to try to play the cat and mouse game by some time to get the laundry dagger names, you know
Play the play the long game play the split push and
Right now I have to say that LGD. They don't really have ways to siege buildings effectively. So I'd like to see
Pick maybe on Yuma that allows them if they get an early advantage from lanes and maybe an early rush to take objectives
Yeah, they got overall last pick
So they get to see what kind of offlaner Yuma would be up against as well as that is
Seemingly the last big we're needing for Maus, the offlaner for Boom.
We already have a couple of bands on the board with now the Necrophos, it also Shadowfiend.
Very good Necro Band, I mean they have all the physical damage, so you wouldn't be able to even hit him at all almost.
And then you have Winter Vibrant behind him, you have Huskar.
I want to see one small item on Sniper, I just want to see casual or off frost.
Yes, like you need to be able to reduce the damage, the healing coming out from Vibrant and from Huskar.
And it's also very good with your shrapnel, sometimes just to keep it inside of the shrapnel.
Gives you that extra bit of a hit as well.
So, because we've seen healing being kind of OP at the moment in Mena,
there aren't many ways of stopping that healing other than Spirit Vessel.
And they are going to be removing some of the, like I would say casual offline or something
that the mouse has been playing in the race in six months or so.
And that's going to be Type 100, that's going to be Centaur.
So, also looking for some kind of a teamfight that's going to tide this line up together.
Honestly, Spectre for LGD, I think it's a really good hero for them.
Like, great combination with Darsier, it's amazing versus Sniper, really good versus Laundryd.
Like, every time you actually use a hunt for a fight, you might also just get a free kill on this Laundryd hero, if it's all on the map.
Is there an offlaner that will prevent...
A lot. I mean, I see a lot. Spectre's leading presence is actually much better than what it used to be.
But the thing is like when I see center tight vans, these are not anti-spectre vans
I actually think both of them are pretty bad against Spectre on the lane nowadays
So we'll have to see they're probably their mind is probably somewhere else
At the same time they're gonna wait to see the off laner. Ah, this could be this could be a good reason to make Spectre
Actually, I think the lane is pretty fine on the road is always like a threat of dying because of the how intense
Spectre Iklik's damage output is in the early game, especially
It's a really good lane with Wyvern also like Spectre always enjoys the
the protection from Ivan. We'll see what throughout the wanna go. It's pretty slow, that's the only issue.
It depends on the read on the mid-matchup. Because if Huskar shuts down, you can't afford to pick something too greedy.
If they think the mid lane is fine, then they have more freedom.
Right now, they don't really have any playmakers in the team. A lot of the times, like Huskar, he loves the farm.
Darkseer, he loves the farm. Gets his helm creep and the run around supports.
they need levels to be able to make some kind of move so not gonna be a fast draft from LGD gaming by any means unless they can find
away how to speed things up and
It's gonna be Ursa which is a hero that usually we don't see I definitely like this hero like you talked about
Line up lacking some of the tower damage as well building damage Ursa also doesn't provide you with any
But it's very good at some of these skirmish teamfights and also benefits quite a lot from heal from winter wire
This is not a hero that is strong level 1, level 2, this is why we've seen quite a lot of Warlock plus
Persos in the recent times, but yeah another jumper, another hero that can
Match the bear on the other side, so we're gonna have to see which bear is stronger
Is it enough to fix the activity issue inside of LGD when you said like,
Huster was the form, Dorse was the form?
Yeah, I think so. This is like two item hero, you get Battle Fear, you get Blink Dagger, plus also you have Waze that
increases damage in the fight so this has been the old-school duo with the
Darkseers who have searched to reset the fight, maybe get in and get out extra
bit of a damage counter from Ion Shelt to be able to stick on the target.
And the shard I think is amazing like the slow on the shard, you search your
start nobody can run away from him it's very very powerful combo.
Do we lean one way or the other after seeing the draft coming out for both
these teams? Hard call. I feel like both drafts are very solid in my opinion. What do you think
across? Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. I feel like they might be getting quite a lot of value
out of this on the Lord because they have saved, they have ways of potentially cutting the Ursa,
Sniper Shard, the Shards from Tusk as well like the Root, the Fear. A lot of these cheap spells
that Ursa doesn't really like to play against, but I would give a slight edge to LGD gaming
saying that this type of draft, this is the line up that needs to kill Roshan.
This is Ursa, Haskar, you want to be getting hands on that, so between 15 and 20 minutes
you expect them to play very aggressive, try to go for smoke, double smoke, find a pick
off and then turn that into Rosh.
And maybe one thing to mention too is that since the Dorstier is going to be jungling,
maybe this will free, we really cannot think of lanes as honest matchups because maybe the
Krox can get a lot of space to mess with the mid lane,
perhaps get angles on the sniper.
Maybe the GQ will have access to the twin gate really early
and attack the earth sound on the mid lane
and change the matchup versus underlord.
So we'll have to see,
because I do feel like it's hard to enter bot lane
against like Laundry and GQ.
So a lot of early movement from supports to be expected.
Oh, that's going to be a fun one for us,
the viewer to watch a lot of movement,
a lot of activity, a lot of excitement,
an extra excitement of course from Sunspan and Kizm.
Welcome to the survival stage
One be one except in this case of the 5v5 is mouse versus LGD
loser goes home
Kezu
That's that right. This is an important game for both teams. Wait hold on. Okay the lights are being turned down this time
You're actually not lying for once KJ
It's called at the light situation of course is a little bit too much for them to handle
Oh, look at it. Look at KJ looking up. Yeah, it's on the screen not acceptable
I thought you liked him being on screen
I do, actually, he's very attractive young guy.
Yeah, you talked about his entrance into the stage here.
Yeah, I like seeing some person out there, you know,
they had some choreography of who's going to give over the key.
Yeah, it's a nice change.
I'm used to Dota players just being completely dead inside.
You see nothing in their eyes.
All they do is play Dota.
They don't even shower, for God's sake.
OK, that's maybe a little bit.
You should single some people out instead of saying that no one does it.
It is true, though.
There is some, of course, young guy.
No one smells really good, actually.
He does smell really good.
But at, you know, the eSport Gamer events, there's a
little bit of a smell sometimes, of course, but back to reality, we are in the game.
We are. And we got some cool ass pics. We have a sniper.
We have a Huskar. We have so many cool ass pics.
And you mentioned the Huskar first.
Well, yeah, we don't get to cast this.
We haven't gotten to cast Huskar.
Huskar is cool because it's kind of like this.
You're gambling a bit.
It's like you're going to win early and then snowball, or you're just going to get
thumpstered and lose.
Well, I don't respect this hero at all.
He is good for speeding up the game and you know what you're getting, like you said, there's like a snowball one way or the other.
And obviously also it's a type of hero where you can in a way also kind of see how the mid game goes, right?
You want to get the first ages and play quickly, but let's see if the bear is in some first blood action here.
As miles were, of course, smoked up. We'll get a courier kill somewhere, as the older core killed the down bottom.
Yeah, so talk to me about, well, let's just start with the lanes, we can start slow, alright?
We can just, because I feel like there's going to be a lot of action in this game, especially
with LGD and the lineup they picked and the fact that they are very aggressive by nature
anyway.
How, so for Huskar, you know, just having a little brain light, okay, let's see a little
Trinidad against here in the top side.
Is my perception of Huskar incorrect that you need to win the lane hard or this hero is just bad?
It's close. It's definitely something you want to do and there's only very few heroes that
don't allow that to happen. I do think that Sniper is one of them, but even these matchups
I've seen Huskar kind of, you know, they are able to dumpster it if you get boots early, which is something we did see.
I believe I saw this matchup this tournament already and the Huskar killed the Sniper in a 1v1.
Really? Yeah, I don't remember who played it. Honestly, it may have been Tylong against like Yopaj or...
I don't have the full memory, but it is something like that.
But, Hathgar definitely wants to play from ahead. He wants to have an early ages, but the hero also has scaling.
Like nowadays, it's not like this one-way type of guy, so it's what you want, but it's also playable if not.
Okay.
Well, at the very least for LGD, they do have some late game in terms of the...
We've seen a lot of Darkseer have huge impact in tournaments so far.
What do you think this hero provides for them?
I mean, it just provides good teamfighting, and it's also, you want to play with killers.
You have Clockwork, you have Ursa, like Ursa Darkseer to get in the late game is kind of crazy.
Or, rather so in the mid game, you know, speeding people up, Ursa wants to go and play with an Aegis, same as the Huskar.
You surge them up, you allow them to be aggressive.
So I do think Huskar, the Darkseer gives him quite a lot.
But he is playing against Loundry. This used to be one of, like, the biggest counters.
Obviously, nowadays you can get an illusion off the bear, but it's just, it's a type of magic.
Don't see that off
It's an illusion bear good. I
Mean it does have okay stats
I don't think it's like insane and I think the way it works also because so the bear counts as a hero
Which means you can only get an illusion either of the hero or off the bear you can't have both separately
Right, so you actually need to use some skill to get the bear because you don't want the hero
That's the only does that mean dark portrait works on the bear now, too
Because I feel like since he was turned into a quote-unquote hero. It's like
Not everything actually applies though. It's like a case by case.
It should also work. Like Monkey King gets Jingu, Slark gets Essence Shift, so you know you can play around with that.
But yeah, we can see that now the boots are available on Tylong. We saw mid one as well.
You know he has the triple zippers. They talked about the Orbefrost which is super good against Haskar.
Want to slow down his HP region. Technically it's like a lot of damage for the Sniper in this matchup.
Yeah, it goes for the two and berserkers blood to start things up because of all the harassment coming out from mid one.
mid one. And we'll see if there's any rotations at any point from LGD to try to capitalize
on what Huskar provides in the early game. We've got Wyvern and Clockwork both technically
speaking pretty good at ganking, but isn't Sniper going to be keeping the range pretty
high?
You could look for something in the nighttime, I think where the clock can potentially move
over into the mid lane with, I would say, a smoke even, other than that it's pretty hard.
But yeah, this is absolutely the build that you have to go for. You do see mid one. Here's
of course the counter pick to the Huskar and like I said there are only very few heroes
that are actually able to do this where you know he's not winning the lane but being able
to draw it and kind of fold is pretty good.
You're getting harassed and you get cold embrace outside of the firestorm so not taking
that percentage base damage anymore.
I mean historically Ursa versus Underlord is good for Ursa is that still the case where
things change?
No it's definitely still the case.
Underlord can apply quite a bit of pressure early on.
You have way higher damage.
I mean Ursa level 1 and 2 is kind of a bot here, I'm not gonna lie
You know where's underlord he's received a lot of plus throughout time, you know
The pit deals damage firestorm is good your early damage is good
But now that they're starting to get levels on the LGD. I do think this lane is very very difficult for them to play
Cylon
See gonna actually go for a gank here is he he's gonna run into Yamachu
He's getting blocked a bit slowed now by KJ going for the extra damage from Cylon to TP
but we'll be fine so a little bit wasted time there that leaves mid one to his own device at the
mid lane pressuring the tier one all by his lonesome me especially so like going for the zero two
two build doing very well kind of pushing thailand you know into the jungle now you can get some
levels in the shrapnel to also you know help yourself recover have some game capability so
that i was also quite happy i would say you know with this type of mid lane that mid one is getting
here back he comes so it's gonna be the first item armlet of course as per norm for the huskar
players and what do you go after that is this say I've seen blink you go acts like third item something like that
Yeah, it's there are different builds for husker and I always like seeing a blink early
But I don't see it that often from the type from the players
I think there's a lot of there's like boots of travels
There's like Sanji Niashe acts is something you want later
Obviously you also need to kind of play with a BKB against this radiant draft as well and then play you know with your early ages
Which they absolutely need to get in this game you playing Ursa husker if you're not getting early ages
you are in a really bad spot. That's very true. The Olocor showing up that
battery assault, very good skill. Yuma gets first blood as a result as
Tylong dies shortly after, so very close to first blood going the way of Maus.
At the very least for them they do get the mid laner. One second! Is he actually dead here?
Pops the fairy fire will survive but now gets brought into a lot of action with a
couple of support heroes KJ and the Olocor finish the job that Tylong
started there. Almost a good return play by Yamachan and I start on this snowball also to delay all of this early damage
But you can see you know that both supports are kind of freed up to farm
I mean I'll say it's more so the clockwork
You know who's allowed to move around and farm because if you're leaving us under lords like this
This is kind of what's bound to happen. Oh, yeah
Batteries all continue can barely get off that pit and just gets brought back into the cogs
You can see those fury swipes go to work. This is why Ursa is so good against strength heroes
this completely decimates them if left alone it's very difficult for boom to
play the type of area on his own like if he doesn't see them as very nice
questions is he gonna actually trade a price here and so gets the dual breath
off to the nice car to Taiwan joining the party pounding upon okay get the
snowball off the last moment onto the winter Wyvern mid one is gonna burn
though as you must somehow gets the last hit there even the Ursa coming out
Very early rotation for position one on LGD.
These are the type of moves that I really really love.
You know, you have the sniper who's the counter pick into the hotspot.
If you can bring any numbers on these early moves to actually push your hotspot
to be stronger, to fight into the counter pick,
and on top of all of this, get a kill on mid one, that's very very huge for you.
Boom.
Desperately wanting this solo XP, the 7 minute wisdom shrine is about to pop as well,
as LGD making a pretty good spot to be able to steal it.
steal it. There's damage only level three right now on the tusk. As the other is
gonna get this for free so Fiolocore not even pressure at this point. Three
members of LGD get that easy on the other side and try to get their own as
the TP comes out so they're gonna get both from LGD's side. As Chris Vliss is
bare gonna be in a world of hurt, Fiolocore might pay the price eventually.
Boom is completely out of mana but we'll have to move speed and last right
Click does the job
Not done yet
Tonight a creeps no whisper gets the last day there. I haven't really talked about him yet
And I feel like he has been kind of a story of LGD and a lot of these especially the games that they're behind early
Feels like he gets on track and then brings them back in the games for so many scenarios
Now for sure we all kind of know whispers a he's very much a Joker
And I think most of the time like in a very positive sense like this guy just costs out very good performances
Even when he's left in kind of a bad situation
He does quite a lot and so make one was able to take down the meter one
Which does matter I would say it matters perhaps a little bit less because usually when you get to do this
You get to move around a lot
You get every active rune on like your storm you ember of course sniper
Not the best at using early rune still very good for them, but it did lose the double wisdom shine. Yeah
So I long now under the cover of tier two as you can see
the mouse kind of invading the jungle a bit to see how many stacks are there, not really
that many to speak of.
I do like the early vision though from mouse, like if you look at it, very aggressive wards,
bottom lane ward, one of the dire ancients, now the deep one here as well as you have
Underlord level 6 available for later.
First light prick of the game for Panto, he's dead to rights.
Eventually, pop pops a fairy fire, but not going to survive.
Maybe one of the meantime getting chased by Yuma.
be able to kill the courier and he's just dead so yeah not nearly the same
value of life there's a double kill now from Ty long so three dead per mouse
LGD kind of caught with their pants down in the enemy jungle not sure what the
plan was that really hurts because as I pointed out to I really liked their
vision they had an aggressive one in the jungle but then Pan took his kind of
caught-off guard he dies then mid one is the secondary guy and then damage as
well. Boom force out of the top lane. Yeah, so even though after you take the
mid tier one like dropping all this pressure, it hurts a lot.
Yeah, supports are suffering in the levels as a result of the wisdom shrine as well as
smoke now comes out from LGD. I mean the very least boom did catch up in terms of his leveling,
but another life break for Panto and another death for the twin headed dragon. So 2k lead
for LGD and typically speaking this is very good news for Huskar Lyon. Now the question
can they pressure Crystallis?
Oh, they can, they don't have any TP.
Gonna jump on with the bear, slow down as Ty long.
No, I thought he was gonna go for it, but it looks like the bear should be able to finish it.
Lifebreak will get the slow and the kill.
So, mouse bleeding a lot here.
10-2 for LGD as they keep the pressure on as a tier one looks to be theirs as well.
No, LGD are going for a lot of small plays into one another.
You know, you get the triple kill mid and you see the respawn.
You know Sniper TP mid, you know Tusk TP somewhere else,
So it's so easy for them to smoke up into this bottom area even if Chris of his gorgeous his move his tower will die
But obviously on top of that they also killed him 3k gold lead Yuma goes back to the top area
So they're able to hold his tier one at least for now
Yeah, the tower is pretty healthy still and it's not really that fearsome of a trio right now to be able to push that
Tower with a level 4 supports
And this it's a little bit of like the other stuff
So, yeah, you have this first big Lone Druid, which mind you, we've seen it a few times and it's not looked very good.
So then you pick the Huskar, you kind of force in a way, like not really to pick Sniper, but there aren't that many options.
Sniper, Lone Druid together are very greedy, like Sniper doesn't really move around.
We all know that Lone Druid is not a hero for like 20 minutes.
I mean, I feel like this is a pub thing. I only see this in pubs.
Lone Druid, Sniper.
Yeah, it's just sometimes specific drafts call for specific answers, so we'll have to see how Maus kind of whittled through this because as well for Underlord,
He's a follow-up hero. He's not gonna gate first and set you up with like an ATOS. You need a really good game for that
He's he leaned into an earthen a clockwork ganking him
So you cannot expect boom to start any fight either. It's interesting you say that because he's actually going first item agonim
Scepter usually this is the second or a third
I love this because it feels like they just don't have any initiation whatsoever
I mean yeah, if I'm playing against these dire heroes, you're not building oras against earthen
Fuzzy bear just swipes right through them you pipe his uses even crimson
You know the furious vibes just kind of stack up so going for something bigger and better with the eggs
I honestly don't mind it. I think it's quite good because mouse they need to farm
They need to sit back relax get some items and see if they can weather the swarm here
Will LGD let them do that those field of core getting chased now by the bear
assassinate coming for him
The bear eventually catches up with the help of the ice pad so nice hook shot with the high ground though whisper keeping his
Ally safe. It's like he's gonna be just fine
I think we can avoid the shrapnel, we cold embraced and it will stick around for potential
aggression now on LGD's side so just mouse-killing and kill the support in that case, that is
not a good sign at all.
That hurts and going back to the double wisdom shrine like Panto only level 5, maybe if you
have the ult there you probably get that kill.
That's also 12 for the battle fury on the Ursa, LGD very very happy with the trajectory
of this early game right now.
Whisper, use a Surge. Looking to maybe get initiation off here, Goldenbrace on the
Centaur. Is it going to turn this around on to Panto with the ball of the game and now the
Chrysalis's bear looks like he'll fall. Oh yeah, free gold, we like those.
245, not too shabby. Not too bad, Whisper, he will absolutely take that.
He also will leave, continues to grow now. Yeah, who's building the helm of the Overlord.
We'll see what he can get done with that later. And we heard also set on the panel,
talk about the Darkseer Shard which is very good when you have a lot of people
moving in with the search you know leaving the trail around with the slows
super super powerful. Yep true. Talked about the battle theory that's gonna
amplify the Ursa's farm quite a bit and this question really remains when can
mouse start fighting like Aged and Scepter for under is like the bare
minimal obviously the blink dagger is being the focus for Yamich who's 1700
into that now so that's good news. Yeah I would say it's Yamager's blink that you just pointed out
and then trying to split up LGD a little bit on the map I think would be a good starter because
Christal is we like the way Longwood plays nowadays is that he wants to split the map he wants to
get his items and play some one plus one kill combo so I think for now there's absolutely just going
to keep farming it's an LGD to keep up the pressure probably also take a first roge I think this
nighttime in it 15 to 20 they can really look to speed it all up because yeah at the moment if
If mouse go for play, I don't think they have the most damage. You need to blink, you need Pantos ult, and then they can start cooking somewhere.
So Dragon Lance and Orbit Corrosion right now onto the Sniper. And what's the status on the Burr? We have Maelstrom yet.
We do. He's trying to close into his Mjolnir, still a little bit away. And I think Mid-One is probably going for a similar build.
Like, I haven't really seen that many other builds on Sniper. You can either go Maelstrom or Specialist Array into a Hydra's Breath. I don't really know where.
teasing me with I love this item I don't know if you can really do it in this
game because it's quite greedy because the only problem with Hydra's breath also
is that you're not building a pike like you're turning your dragon lands into
something aggressive and in this game I think you need grenade and pike and
probably a silver agilator feels like you need to be seven-slotted yeah well
this is good to be a very scary lineup we have some community farming going on
you know when you can't really make a aggressive place I'm gonna go for the
farm you got to stack up some stuff. Yeah, that should be close to Blink.
Bad news for Maus is Blink Dagger now up for Yuma, which would to me indicate that they
actually want to start pushing their lead a little bit more and they have the Dragon
Lance armlet for the Huskar, still going for that Hurricane Pike.
This is troublesome, Shannik.
And Darkstare 400 from Shark.
It's not just a top net with Ursa, as we hear Hookashard.
Yep, life break to follow up, that's a dead toss, oh nice macro fire though, into the punch!
Hustler getting really low actually bursted, they've got a huge kill for Maus!
They desperately needed it, again they have a clockwork as well,
and now you can see Whisper on the run, the curse is going to save his life.
Actually the lone druid might pay the ultimate price here as well to own bear!
He does get killed off, that is unreal!
That was a very neat attempt because that looked really good for Maus,
like this entire fight, Yuma wasn't there, they kind of got to take this
455 but honestly that curse really salvaged that one then boom walk into that like way after and get him killed
The end here as you know, there's a good day to hide to make use of this even that was even without the blink dagger on damage
So of course we'll keep our eyes on right here. Look at boom and yes, he died. Oh my god
It's so unfortunate, but really good for the viewership here.
We enjoy that.
And for us.
Yeah.
Yammage.
Oh, that is rough.
Yeah, because honestly, that was pretty good until the, well, very, very end, which I'm
sure we'll be referencing a few times.
Yeah.
Very unfortunate for Maus.
They saw a little glimmer of hope and then kind of gets brought back down.
Two planet Earth as the first Roche being contested here,
well not contested, rather being taken by LGD.
I don't think it's gonna be contested at all from Maus.
Down? I don't think so.
Really, I mean they have shrapnel
for a little bit of vision in the pit,
but I feel like you just can't fight in here right now.
It's really difficult.
I think what Maus needs is,
their only conditions to fight is either A,
you split up LGD, or B,
you kind of force LGD to be like deep on your side
and like overplay as they did on the mid tier one.
If they're static, or like a roach, that's not a position that you can take a fight in if you break onto the bear.
It just gets shredded.
Attempting to TP out, that is not going to happen.
Dailong easily claims it, now the tier two in his sights.
Smoke from mouse, looks like they may want to fight.
Hookshot.
Onto the other side, looks like on the other side of the wall actually, you must have been in trouble.
In no man's lane, he's getting brought to you, but he does not have the Aegis, because that is on the Huskar instead, so...
...Mouse, they get something.
They lose the long drew, but they get the Ursa, which at this stage of the game, they would actually take...
...that trade every time Yana jumping in with a big punch, that's the Aegis down as well.
So LGD, they do get the Tier 2 though, and now, Mouse on the run...
We'll be able to claim this creep in all likelihood, as Agatom Scepter is officially up for boom, so...
That was really good for them. I'm sure you did lose the tier 2, but you killed Yuma, who was having a banger of the game, and you take out the Aegis, like, nearly immediately.
Because when it's Aegis, I'm pretty sure they would have gotten all the tier 2 towers and your outposts.
So any type of delay or mounts is super, super good.
Well, I need to pay keeping attention to mid ones network because mid one needs to have a good game here for them
To kind of you know bring them into the game for now
He had to go for the shard bit of defensiveness and he's queuing up a shadow blade
So wants to get the silver edge later for the break and the movement speed cap
Yeah, I'm just gonna run right into the thought we're getting the okay the hook
That's the death of feel the car mid one gets an easy pick up there and the assassin on the KJ
We'll be able to lock it off
Why do those pits look so big? He doesn't have anything that increases, does he?
I was just like, when there's like some high ground, low ground on some of the areas, it looks like ginormous.
See, this is where you go for the chasm item.
I mean, you'll get it later anyway. You're going to build into like a Shiva's Guard.
Maybe, I was also thinking like, you said there could be quite good in like this type of matchup.
You're playing against Ursa. You're playing against Arx here, which is also pretty nice.
You know obviously there's only so many items you can really go for and I like what boom has queued up at the moment
There's something else we heard them talk about on the panel healing like owning healing restoration
It's not that easy nowadays and first of all this item builds up those that are incredible against hot star and the bear and
You know lowering their healing and HP region against hot star and winter wyvern is insanely good. Yeah, that's true
Love that item. Yeah, it is definitely underbought
As a crystallize gets a very much needed injection of gold as he's bottom on the net worth
Oh wow, I didn't even notice that. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Now, once he gets that Agnus Scepter, I'm sure it'll be a little bit better for him.
He won't have to be near his bear.
He'll get to just stand on the other side of the map as we all love to see for the laundry.
Also got my eyes on Yamach. Check this guy on Tusk.
It's one of his absolute sticky heroes.
And of course, as we know around this time, Shannon, you get the greedy enchantment.
And Yamach, he's a big fan of the Walrus Kickity Kick Kick,
which they're gonna need. You're gonna need some Bing Bongs flip-flops in this game to shoot people out of position.
I do love flip-flops. Can't complain about that.
Especially if you're defending high ground, the kick is insanely good.
It feels like it's so hard to play against.
When you look at Maus' scaling overall, it's not bad at all.
The high ground defense is very good. You have Sniper, you have Underlord, you have Jukiro and Tusk later with a couple of items.
I like what they're doing currently. They're holding a pretty good position on the map, hoping that LGD kind of bodies on this.
What are they going through the gate here?
Usually the first team to get Roche will get Tormentor.
I don't know if that's going to be the case here.
You're just toying around with it. You're shooting wrong. He knows what's up.
You're not faking the gate. Is he going through? No. Mous just sitting here.
Keep waiting everyone. He's definitely coming.
Patience is a virtue. They're going to go through instead now and they're going to get hit by cocks.
It's a reverse window.
Hope the Olocor able to farce you away, get snowballed into the punch.
Is that enough, Tylong?
Going to join the party as well, then there's the underlord ult with the agonist step that
the Olocor is going to get healed at the last moment, the macro fire right on top of him.
Chrislis the bear looking for a target, only can find the wyvern, as the Olocor eventually
does die.
The bear, as the bear absolutely, Chrislis eaten up coming in from the other side with
a shield rune, and now the mass exodus for Maus.
We'll get out successfully, but this means Tormentor is LGD's.
That was some hilarious back and forth.
This is why I love the photos sometimes.
They're like, you know, screw this guy.
He keeps pressing the gate and then suddenly you go through.
You go way too deep.
Like, Yuma had an insane initiation here.
Chrysos didn't even get his ult off.
Like, he still died in the transformation form.
Skajik will get a free shard on his max outheal.
8k lead now on the board and a full BKB to boot on Whisperer.
He is not dying anytime soon on this darkseer.
Unless I am full on Caster Cursing him.
You're not Cinderance, so that's true.
You don't have to worry about that.
I'm not as powerful.
And this gank is successful on the Troll Summoner from Maus.
250 gold, we'll take that.
So Shadowblade mid one, you said that you think he's going to go Silverage right off
the bat?
I believe so.
Like, that Grenade might just be enough.
Obviously, you can go for the Pike here, but the thing is you didn't really go a full
scaling item.
Like, if you wanted to farm more and you would have gone Nelstrom, or of course, the Specialist
But now that you're going Shadowplate, I think the Silver Edge would help you unlock, like a bit of fighting.
You can break the Huskar, and if you start on them, they can't really get surged out, so I would like that.
It feels like if you went for a more normal build, it would...
I feel like if it doesn't work with Lone Druid, it's your other core.
Like a more farming build?
Yeah.
That's a good curse.
Yeah, a curse onto the creep to hold the Tusk in place, the Amish is dead.
Youma eats him up.
and he did place a ward market for dying, so if they paid attention to his inventory,
hopefully they had their eyes open to check out that there was an observer ward placed.
Hard to keep your eyes open with the lights apparently.
That's true, but that's why we pause at the start of the game to open them up.
That's right, yeah.
So what was his pause for if they're still blind?
Haha.
Might as well just leave them on.
That's true.
I guess 33 wouldn't be happy about that.
Alright, this would be a great opportunity to get some sunglasses sponsorships for these teams, you know?
Mm-hmm.
They'd look a lot cooler.
True.
They wouldn't look nearly as nerdy.
But then they would hide their emotions even more. I don't think we need that.
They have no emotions. That's what we learned, except for KJ, of course.
Shout out to KJ.
The god himself.
Has a smoke now from mouse, or from LGD rather.
9K lead.
Roche, we won't know for another minute.
Has a blink dagger online for Whisper.
They're gonna run right into Crystalisk!
Absolutely destroyed!
And now the hookshot.
Finding Panto.
Easy secondary kill.
Oh my goodness, four Chrysalis cannot get off the ground right now.
They have no counter play.
He still doesn't have the axe.
I feel like we talked about it so long ago.
Yeah, it's a promise.
They have no counter play to this jump.
There is no force left.
There's no B2P piercing anything unless the damage is here
to punch the bear in the face.
This is just a quick one, two punch
like you must just having an absolute free B of a game.
Yeah, and this is all set up by Fjallakor.
Rocket Flare is insanely powerful.
just for the vision alone.
As a tier two, we'll be claimed from LGD now,
and we'll see how fast this roach ends up spawning.
Of course, like we've talked about time and time again,
the Huskar, who do you wanna see the ages on
if LGD do in fact get it?
Probably the Huskar, I think, on the second one.
At the start, I think it could have been good on Earth
to keep clearing up the entire map,
but you have all, you have all of the towers down.
So I think you can look more so,
they will give it to whoever they feel like
will break the high ground more.
Is it more about the idea of Huskar
can actually hit it to your threes later, or you just want to give it to Ursa so he can go ham and kill heroes.
Right.
And honestly, I think you can make a case for both.
I mean, how do you like their push in general?
It's not incredible, especially against the radiant heroes.
Like, Sniper's just gonna start peeping you, there's pits on the ground, there's J'Kuro just throwing spells, so...
Yeah.
They should be more playing around map play, I would say.
Oh, we have a curse as Sniper gonna ham on the Tusk right now.
He just two-shots the Wyvern. K-Dig just gets destroyed.
Time with the BKB though. They're gonna focus on mid one easy kill.
Yeah.
Into Pantheon as well. Nothing comes for free.
Three dead already for Maus as boom.
Nowhere to go. Battery salt slows them down.
And that's gonna be four dead. Double kill for Whisper.
LGD just way too easy to fight for them.
Yeah, and suddenly the high grounding and the pushing is becoming really easy.
Four heroes are dead.
I don't...
I'm trying to think what Maus saw that they walked out that high ground.
Maybe someone from LGD was showing on the map, I assume.
Not that Whistler was also in that fight, so yeah, I guess LGD just kind of getting a good jump over all there, as Yuma, he's hunting.
Still not finished, my goodness. 400 away from the Ag�enceptor on a Chrysalis. Is he still bottom net worth on the core side?
I believe the answer is yes. I am not impressed with First Big Longer.
At all. Yeah, we've cast, I think, three or four of these now, and it's been countered very easily, it seems.
Yeah, I guess this is just good positioning from KJ like he's on the outskirt off the saigran board that they have that even though
Not everyone from LGD were here with the timing off the first. They all just get to walk over
And go Scepter definitely good for the right clicks of Huskar and Ursa, but not so much against lifebreak
Yeah, there's a reason the other there's a that mean build with eblade true on Huskar himself
You just literally one shot. It's at one point and in Dota's history
I don't know if Huskar needs any more things that he currently doesn't have already hate that heroes is
Hates a strong word. I hate hoscar
There's the axe tinker these are like no, it's tinker out agree with
KJ hopefully they're gonna find mid one they have the vision curse is there only on a solo target
But what's we're gonna try to connect the hook shot hits inside the cogs now the back wall right on top mid one is dead right off
The bat they get the jacquero as well
And they haven't lost KJ, but the majority of the team now are mouse in the grave, so you get this roche for free.
This is the banner as well.
It's so annoying, like I'm just trying to think if I mid one, how annoying is it that both my cores, like,
they don't really want to play at the moment. In the terms of that, Underlord is global, the Bear is global.
So while you smoked up with three heroes, your supports aren't going to walk in, so then it's you.
Look at this solo sniper, also great reaction by Cajun to get the curse into the immediate totem race.
Like, he gets cursed, walled, hook shot it, and pass curse on top of him.
What do you want from Lil' Bro? You can't do anything!
Yeah, in hindsight it does look weird that you have a sniper going first.
Typically it would be your off laner, but because Underlord has Ag's, you're not gonna be playing like that.
And maybe at this stage of the game, they were expecting the lone druid to have enough farm to be that guy anyway, or at least the bear itself.
Or also at that stage, I think you have to give up Roche, like if you're radiant, if you're mouse, you need to think about a win condition.
I don't think your win condition is ramming your head into a 50k Goldly team that has a full-on positioning on the Roche pit.
I think you need to play for later timings, like Lone Druid just got an agonist.
He doesn't want to fight, Gustalis wants more items, if you're mid one, I believe you want more items, if you're Yamage, they need to start dreaming big.
Because doing these type of plays, I don't know if that's good for you.
I do find Tylong in their jungle,
KJ nearby though, and there's assassinate hits,
but not going to be any follow-up here.
Obviously the Silver Edge is something that Tylong does have to be a little bit scared of.
But yeah, I mean, you say dreaming big, I say dreaming defensively.
Yeah, like sit in your, like, exactly.
It's all about high ground defense,
because we talked about how great their team is in theory at that.
Like, I think start dreaming of, like, big items.
You know, you have the high ground defense with the Sniper.
If the game delays and you get the kickback and potential stuff,
you need to continue to think about a plan of how you can win.
And currently, I'm not seeing a real idea.
Yeah, Yamach is going for Yule, so it's not an Agatomceptor as his next pick.
I mean, obviously, that's a huge purchase.
I teased you about the specialist's array.
Oh, baby.
As Whisper, giving him a couple golds,
so we're getting 250 gold closer to what we want to see.
Okay.
Also, how is Whisper's net worth this ginormous?
Check in PC, bro is up 4k gold on Yula.
What the hell?
I feel like we barely even talked about Whisper this game.
So has Shiva's Blink, BKB, Helmle the Overlord,
no big deal, 3k into a refresher now?
I guess he's just...
The idea also of having a dominator guy in your team,
first of all, dominator is a great item as is Overlord.
And I think when you play against Laundry,
that you can constantly put either just a treat there
to deal with the incoming waves,
which is I assume what he's doing,
or you have other force that just threaten to kill the bear,
which both Ursa and Huskar do.
I think it's a great answer to the zero.
We're gonna see a nerf in the helm of the overlord. Feels like it has been extremely strong in this tournament.
TheolaCourt getting gone on by mid-1, but now Whisper shows up and like you said, top-work on the game, so he's gonna get the solo kill.
Very nicely done. They'll take that.
Rodney average.
Attempting to, he'll be fine. Yuma, what does he have right now?
Does have the bachelors, so if he had to blink up, would he be able to get that in all likelihood?
That is dead bear.
Yep, bear is dead.
Is that bear number one or two here?
It's gonna be down for 30 seconds, so one and a half, let's call it.
Kind of close, but I do like the macro movement from LGD.
When you have this much map control and you have the outpost control, you want to push
them out on the opposite side, which in this case is bottom.
Once you force them to TP base, you can do exactly what they did.
You flush them out of bottom, you double TP to the outpost, and then suddenly you have
great map control.
And what do you do here?
great timing of the banner and the double siege wave by the way great change
that we have double sieges earlier not a 35 but a 30 like that one good job I
strong good job I had lock that is why deadlock keep it up don't worry about it
what was I mean all the core top offense or right now as you can see the
fiends gate come out that's a kill and boom a little bit late to the party but
you'll be able to go back through that fiends gate into his base but his carry
Or his mid laner rather in mid one getting gone on and destroyed
It's a lot of damage is the DKB pop from Tyler
He's just standing his ground as a back wall comes out on two along with the curse
He's gonna reposition with the hurricane fight ice pack nicely placed as you was just gonna jump in with that
BKB and destroy boom and likely destroy their hopes for game number one
That's a full lane and it should be way more than that as well 24k lead LGD
to finish this game in style.
They're so far behind and LGD has very good spell casting, everything they're doing KJ.
Again, Whisper also, for the people that didn't clearly see it, he has a refresher orb, he
got double wall, double vacuum in this entire, this might be one of the fattest arcs here.
I've ever seen that.
Everybody want to finish that?
No, wait guys, so Neely rides.
Anybody want to click that?
Alright.
Yeah, Whisper will take an Ancient Creep or any type of creep, he will take a Johnny and
send it over there.
You must got it.
Alright, that's an ancient creep right there.
He's controlling him, all good.
Probably.
So two lanes and the tier three top, they're going to back away for the time being a soft
reset as it were as the Aegis expires, but 30k lead for LGD.
I always like to say, when you out GPM the clock, or when you're close to it with a 1k
Golden, you know, so a 30k lead at 32 minutes, the game is like, it's incredibly hard.
It's near full.
If they take a fight right now, they will out GPM it.
Alright, show me the 1% gave in at mouse, cause I'm ready to see it. Hydra's breath might put it from 1 to 2%.
Yeah, they don't have enough data on Hydra's breath.
That's just double the win rate.
Probably rounds up as well, surely. NA company after all.
True.
NA MFs.
They're gonna go the discipline round. Of course, again, this is an elimination series, so gotta play it a bit safe.
As Ty Lung will get the shard, so that's the cauterized old facet.
It's honestly pretty, I'm also like at this point like your soul, everything they get is just like, it's just luxury at this point.
He's got the Agathams queued up for now, which of course, you know, more control, everything is great, people start getting like maybe some BKBs, they want to get away from you.
And also like Kristalln as he wants to go for a Silver Edge, of course anything at this point won't feel great, you have a very huge deficit you're playing into.
They want to go for a potential bait on the bear. Honestly, I wouldn't really mind that play.
The only problem is if LGD are just like yo bros, we're knocking up on your high ground
Then you're gonna have to go back anyway. Yeah, do they even fear the bear at this point? It's a shadow blade, Neon or axe
They definitely don't. Yumo, he's actually setting up for it. Rocket Flare into the bash, Yumo.
No, they get the fiends gate out as well. It's going to pop the DKB along with the Enraged, but Bid 1 is there.
They get a huge back wall, and basically everybody, and surely this is the end of the game.
It's LGD easily winning this fight, trying to go through the fiends gate again, but it's not to be...
Can we get Life Broken? Oh, he actually is going through it now. The Conceit, the last moment.
Push him out.
Where does the gate even go? Is it a base?
Right in the Radiant Base.
That would have been a nice play.
Fairly timing out.
That's it. LGD, any play they go for it.
And it's honestly quite hard for Miles to just stop it, even there with the blink punch.
If any spell even clips mid one, he's dead.
Yuma going for the bear on bear action.
Yep, this is the not so great bear.
I was gonna call it GG and that does it for game number one.
LGD completely stomping.
Yep, just gotta feel good if you're LGD.
You're 15-1 on Yuma, 8-0 on Whisper.
Think their supports in the early game got a lot going.
Same with KJ, just very nice spell usage overall.
I think if you're a mouse, honestly a lot of the games just haven't felt that good.
I think First Pick Loan Druid also hasn't felt amazing.
It's not just them though. Several teams have First Pick Loan Druid and it hasn't worked out.
I mean maybe it's confirmation by some of the games that we've been casting, but it's been pretty rough for the Loan Druid overall.
Yeah, they're just ending up with, I would say, a draft that's very much overlapping
and what you want to do, like both Loan Druid and Sniper are very slow.
And against LGD, you know that these guys are gonna run you over.
She gives them any opportunity or any space on the map.
Tylong ends the game 6-2 on Husqvar, Yuma 15-1 on the Earthsend.
He started at 5-0 on the first, I want to say, 6 or 7 minutes.
He was very, very hot to start the game.
And, of course, Whisper was kind of uncontested on the Darkseer, basically.
Ends at 8-0.
He had a better performance, and these are just the type of performances.
You've got to try to slow them down from it.
And also, like, the lone druid against the Husqvar trade, that's not a favorable trade for you at all.
So, if you're a mouse, I'm expecting them to do a little bit of a switch up here,
4-game number 2, and give it a little bit more aggression here to fight into this LGD style.
Yeah, it felt like even on paper, even if things went relatively okay,
the Sniper and Linger would kind of feel like the same type of hero archetype in a way,
as opposed to like some sort of Ember type mid, which we've seen mid one absolutely destroy on many a time.
Yeah, and it's also, I think LGD just kind of cornered them, and you know, kudos to them.
They played very well, Thailand as well on his house guard.
He is incredibly good at this hero.
And I just think showing some very calm gameplay,
very calculated, nice discipline, like when I'm seeing.
All right, She-Van!
Thank you, such running kids.
This was a quite one-sided ordeal,
and, yeah, Sepp decided to watch this one anymore.
We can have a placement upgrade,
something like that.
How many slides are you doing?
I don't think anyone would say that I'm an upgrade from Sepp,
but it is a pleasure to be here.
Thank you so much, Shever. Yes, what an incredible, holy moly.
That was a game. Now, your boy here knows bad games.
That was a bad game. That was rough.
But yes, you know, you got to fight for your life there.
Not too great from our boys' mouths,
but I believe I'm a big mouths lover, okay?
Who's getting reported from the team?
Like, you love to report people, don't you?
I am not a report. If you report people,
the reports against you stack, okay?
They are more powerful. So, do be...
No, I meant you're a reporter
because you, like, report stuff from Dota scene.
Oh, Jesus. Yeah, that is also true.
I'm just kidding. You know what I mean.
Shut up, Lacoste. It's such a pleasure.
Such an honor to be here with such incredible people.
Lacoste, what do you think of that one big boy?
It didn't look good from the start.
Like, we had some, like, very issues with the rotations and everything.
They understood what the matchup is going to be,
that they need to help them out relatively early on,
like the sniper against Khaskar.
We talked about the small items that they need to buy, this orb of frost.
They bought one sniper,
which they upgraded into orb of corrosion,
an item that we usually don't see, and we saw another small item on Jakiro, who also
thought that it might be able to reduce some of the healing, but not really, I mean, when
you think about it, it's a good upgrade, we talked about that it could be a very good
pick up, but overall throughout the whole game, I feel like LGD Gaming, they were kind
of full battle to the metal type of a style of Dota, and we haven't really seen Maus do
the same thing, because this is the type of a team that will try to fight you early on,
the game was kind of okay for the first three, four minutes
and then they got outnumbered in every single fight.
Yeah, it was really rough, Sheever,
because you see these heroes
and these are not new heroes for either one of these teams.
Like, you know that the Huskar has a chance coming out.
It got banned nine times before the series against this team.
And you also know their main strategy.
They got an Ursa, they got a Huskar.
You know what they're gonna try to do.
And the fact that you're not able to answer that
is not really a great sign.
I think the biggest upset for me in this game
And what I was surprised in is that Malz did not pick anything that was crazy.
Like, Loan drew in the most picked hero in the entire group stage games.
By many of the teams that have been eliminated, they're not switching it up,
and it just looked like they were lacking a bit of that confidence.
So, but hey, that's game one problems, always game two, buddy.
That's true. The trade for the first pick was definitely not worth it on hindsight,
because we heard even Crystal is such an Oscar, you know, we like to play an Oscar.
They like to play an Oscar.
Well, we'll play an Oscar, and then, yeah, they give it to LGD,
So they thought that was a good trade.
One's not a good trade.
LGD though, they were cruising this game.
I think they had an absolute blast.
Of course, Whisperer never dying in this first game.
Must have been a bit comfortable boost as well.
I feel like the cost they were really pressured.
Not at all, not in all these lanes.
Like we talk about Darksheet that seems to become Hero
or Offlane of the tournament pretty much
where the Hero doesn't necessarily need to play the lane.
He's like level one.
I collect some of the XP and see you later nerds. I am out. I'm gonna be jungling you see on top of the network
The top of the CS chart as well then he comes back
He can creeps skip and having a great timing like also this time around. It's not just the helm of the dominator
It's also full helm of the overlord making sure that you are getting extra bit of a value from those creeps
And always have that ghost push available very nicely done from whispered
This is one of his best heroes as well
He has massive hero pool that he can bring to the table, but this one definitely being up there
You got to be careful with Darkseer. You never know when the patch could come mid-series
and then his vacuum gets another second off. Cool that. I mean, this guy, I've not seen
a hero systematically nerf since TI won so many times. So, you got to say that that's
why they're bringing it out in this pocket game. They're up for elimination. They're
willing to destroy the hopes and dreams of every single Darkseer player out there just
to survive. And you got to respect that.
You got to respect it and it worked out very well for them. We talk a lot about the Sniper
Husker matchup before the game started after the draft and Lacoste got some insights on that matchup.
Yeah, I mean it started really okay-ish for him, like love the build on Sniper, Triple Slippers,
Orb of Frost immediately, but they said no, like we're not going to be playing this matchup evenly,
and early on, like they already killed him once, and six minutes in, they're all going to be bringing extra numbers.
And look at the positioning, King Jungle's coming in, Teoliker from a different side, denying that amplified damage route got needed.
And also, Ursa, you might have decided, you know what, I'm also going to be joining in this fight,
making sure that we are bringing in numbers, and every single time, like, it's very important to
try to ruin this hero as much as possible in the early stages of the game, making sure that he is
not getting the farm, so getting an early kill, and you might immediately go back to farming,
and the same thing is going to happen again, but they killed its tower relatively early on in the
draft so they planted an observer ward here on the hill and it does allow them to kind of scout
things out kind of providing the vision for the team I don't know if we have the clip ready and
yeah so it gives them full sense of security and playing them a little bit too aggressive because
they killed that tower early on and then they are drawn into a really bad fight this is sniper
we're talking about this is not your ember spirit or storm spirit who's like level six
So it has some kind of an escape mechanism
So the only thing that he could do is kill the courier and be like, you know what?
I'll respawn in 25 30 seconds
So pretty difficult to overall game for them like even at this point of the game and there's going to be another
Yuma classic I would say where rest of the team they are going to be smoking up and that they are making a little bit of maneuver there
Because they are splitting up. You see that the only core and Tylong they're playing together
They're gonna be able to get a pick off and then
KJ on win survivor is gonna be connecting from the other side of the map
So they're kind of pinching knowing exactly where Chrysalis is gonna be farming and Yuma with the twin gate rotation
Kind of seals the deal for this gank as well
Making sure that they are getting extra value on them on the kill like on the map and immediately as soon as they get the kill
Goes through the twin gates goes back to farming so very efficient like first six or seven minutes coming up from them
But I feel like maybe after seeing that was there even a chance for mouse to properly come back into this game
It's nice. Absolutely not. I mean once you're standing in front of that double damage four of you are running towards it and KJ
Just one shot that's a GG. No, I mean if Aame was still in this tournament
He would have quit immediately after seeing that and I can't blame the guy, you know sometimes in pro donut
This is a real thing. Just gotta say, you know what guys it's over
It's all a new one on to the next on the next and I do believe no joke that we will get an X
I don't think there's gonna be shut out. I believe in mouths. I'm a mouse believer and yeah
Yes, let's just get through that one. Yeah game one was no good, but you come back for game two with some space
It's like what about the bear? I think this is also a bit of a statement saying like my bear is stronger than your bear
I in nature bears eat each other all the time
I don't I don't think they do a hundred percent polar bears are the only creatures that will hunt humans on purpose
That is correct
It has nothing to do with bears eating bears and if you put a polar bear next to a black bear it will eat this shit out of it
I think they they they but yeah, but they don't normally that's different. We don't have to get into scum and buy all the bears
He's not even a bear. He's a he's a man who transforms into bear
So we're not even gonna talk about the bio mission. He has a pet bear
Okay, he'll eat the pet too. You think polar bear cares? Anyway, what I'm saying is obviously
we're not going to be seeing the lone druid again. That would be psychotic, and that's
the reason we're on this tangent. They are going to pick something cool, and it's not
going to be Sniper, because that was from psychotic to Skitso. We don't want to see Sniper
again, obviously, against the Huskar, but I have faith in Mr. Faith, a mortal faith,
and he's going to be back there just, pah, getting those guys ready to go.
I don't even know what he said when he started talking about polar bears and you know black bears being get on a target or something like they started stuff listening how easy is it to shape for mouse to shape up this loss I think you know we know
We know Huskar is strong, we want Huskar as well, we gave way to Huskar, Trait wasn't
good, just ban Huskar, go Nyx.
Maybe.
I think maybe the combination of the heroes, it felt like they needed to counter like three
different heroes in like three different lanes and they ended up with a bit of a like
2K rock draft even for Maus to pull off.
That was good.
That was smart.
That was good.
Wrong though.
Absolutely.
You know, they don't have problems.
This is when you get in your enemy's head game one elimination series, you know, you pick some silly stuff
They're coming back and it's not one guy's fault. All right. This is a strategy. I'm telling you. This is it
They're so confident you win that game at your LGD. Yeah, these guys have no idea what's going on
You'll see she ever
We might see I will also think LGD with this win has gained a lot of confidence
One of the things during group stages that we were worried about was that, for example,
Tylong wasn't going to be able to step up on the main stage and suffer from these confidence issues.
And then we saw him in the 1v1, and we realized, you know, that confidence he had solved, he trained himself.
So he is doing fine, the team's doing fine.
Of course, from that game, if I was to point out one MVP, it would be Whisper, not dying a single time,
having a great Darkseer game.
And speaking of Whisper, he is also the one that, even before the series, got the chance to talk to Purge.
Hello, I'm here with Whisper from LGD.
question curious how your tournament performance is feeling so far from your
perspective
I think we've been doing really good but we need to
heavy blow in our game against one win and we tried to recuperate a little bit with our game
against Gandex and for now we're only trying to do the best we can for the rest of the tournament.
Makes a lot of sense. You've had a lot of hero varieties so far. You've played Snapfire, Enigma,
Pudge, Barreiter, like a lot of different heroes. I was curious why your variety is so wide right
now. Are you just experimenting with different heroes or are you just trying to create like
different draft situations every game?
And I want to ask if it's because you're trying different games,
trying to have different situations for the draft,
or is there a big difference between your game and Hero Pool?
I think I've played quite a few different games since December.
I think Cotto Loft is playing different games as well,
which are not usual to see, I think, in the role.
But I don't think I want to change anything with the draft.
I like heroes a lot and I play a lot of rankings and other things.
I try a lot of things, right?
Sometimes they work, sometimes not.
Sometimes some things that they do in the rankings,
maybe they don't work in tournaments, but you don't lose a lot of effort, right?
I think that's one of the reasons.
If you really play the heroes that I know,
I know that I can do everything in the game, right?
Not playing an hero that I don't know very well and being there, like, fending, right?
I think I've always played different heroes.
For example, I've played keeping the light on the off-lane,
and I do play a lot of pups,
so sometimes I grab something I do in pups and try to do it in professional matches.
sometimes it doesn't work sometimes it works but I always try it's not I'm
trying to do various situations for different drafts I'm just trying to play
the heroes I know I'm comfortable with I prefer that over playing heroes that
maybe I don't really play that well I'm not really comfortable with it and I'm
defeating so I just play this variety of heroes because I feel comfortable with
them and that's why I've already been playing I guess that's where you feel
strong that makes sense you guys had an off day yesterday what was your prep
like against Maus, did you just watch replays, do normal stuff, play some scrims?
Yesterday I had a free day, which was a way to prepare for playing against Maus.
I saw replays, I played scrims, what did they do?
A lot, I don't remember the truth, I have no idea.
I think we played a scrim, I don't remember very well, I think it was a very bad scrim, I think it was very bad.
But everything, more than anything, I think one thing that has a lot to do with you is mentality.
I think we have a lot of problems sometimes with the attitude of one team and that's what happens with the other, it's like a ball from the level, right?
So I think that's the biggest problem we had, so much of scrims, playing in not so much macro, not so much gameplay.
I think we focused more on fixing the internal problems of the team than trying other things.
They have personality issues, there are big personalities clashing and then there's a
problem with one player and that player goes to another player and it turns into a snowball.
So yesterday we focused more on fixing the internal conflicts and issues with the players
themselves rather than in the game.
That's very, very important to solve that so it makes sense why you focus on it.
Okay, well thank you for joining me for the interview and good luck in your match.
Thank you.
We're ready for game number two of LGD vs. Maus here on the main stage for Dota 2 at
the ESport World Cup.
And I think Whisper was very open in that interview about a personality issue and that
That was their main issue during the group stage, where they can third in the group of death.
So they did well.
Not as well as they would want to do, but Lacoste, that is big news, that's slightly worrying
because I don't think that was on our bingo card for this scene.
No, definitely not.
It looked like the team's doing well, the vibes are good and everything with the newest
addition to the team, but apparently not.
Sometimes things aren't as they seem.
For example, I think Slacks is a good example.
would say that this guy is like very normal, good human being, but then you get to know
him and then you realize he's even better, but yeah.
Thank you so much.
I really love being gaslit on this panel, but yeah, that was actually insane.
I, a player just saying we have internal issues, personality issues.
That's what the ex-wife said to me.
There's no fixing that before she walked down.
That's what she said.
So I can't believe they just said that.
That's really cool.
I'm trying to fix that in a day as well.
In a day?
Just yesterday.
How are you gonna do that?
Electric stimulation. I think that's a therapy. Yeah. Yeah, all right to the front
I'll put those things on and zip it is up here. We go my friends hood wink
You're gonna be picked up first. You know a good good way of fixing that is what's that winning cuz every team does well when
They're winning. It's easy here. It's easy when you win like if you're losing
This is when the problems start to arise like everything's good when things are going good and
Let's see some of the openings LGD opening up with hood wink. Yep
Love that hero why why I think this is the highest winning support like we saw it being one of the most contested ones as well
It feels really good like super strong laner and this is the type of a strat that I think for now is opening up with keeper of the light
This is something that the homage plays extremely well, and it also compliments
the
Hero pool from the mid lane from mid one like what he likes to play as well to have a hero that's gonna go in with him and
and making sure to lower the cooldown.
We're talking about pretty much all of the three spirits,
Pock as well.
And also, having in mind,
this is a hero that potentially they can be played,
it can be played from the mid lane.
This is something that the mid one did before as well.
They did lose that game against Nemesis,
but it is what it is.
The ideas are definitely up there.
So I wanna see something like,
maybe more stable coming up from them,
considering that they did lose six
out of their last seven games.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm gracious me and you guys want to know cheat codes some that y'all haven't been picking up on on the panel
Okay, yeah, I've been watching a lot of panels here been looking at a lot of data
And let me tell you the item of the game the meta right now. You guys haven't figured it out
Let me tell you harder to ask baby part of to rest. That's all that matters
So if you're a centaur, yes
No, if you're any hero right now shiver. This is the first tournament since
2014 that two hearts have been purchased in two different games. Did you know Naga Siren's win rate went up 5% this week?
Why? Heart first, then Bloodstone. This item, there's something about it, PL's win rate is going up, too.
If someone on your team can buy a heart, you're probably gonna win. It's broke.
2014 is also the first time these two organizations faced each other. I made up my fact. Is that one real?
The last time Maus vs. LGD was a matchup, obviously with different iterations, 2014.
That's crazy. It's all coming back. Time is a flamethrower.
Alright, Monkey King, that is not a hard purchaser, so they've lost, but they're a good try.
It is a Crystallis hero, but he is very comfortable.
That is very true. However, Cheever, we got to do crazy stuff.
But he's in the trees and Hootwink is in the trees and he can scout the Hootwink's mounts.
Alright, yep, that lore checks out. What do you think about Monkey Lucas?
I think this is a hero that, uh...
It's not really meta by any means. It's a hero that can, like in the right hands, be like a menace to deal with.
It gives them quite a lot of speed, gives you quite a lot of momentum. Very good against most of these stinky offlaners as well that don't want to be laning, but, uh...
This is a very good response. I like Largo a lot, uh, I think this time around, uh...
LGD, they're not a type of a team that I think would be flexing Largo. I think you need to have a flex, but after seeing
Monkey King, you you can trade against him really well in the lane. You have the lick to remove his
extra bit of a damage, remove his jingoo, keep him inside of the frog stomp with the hoodwing.
So not gonna be an easy lane for him by any means.
Now a very smart pro player once said to me, the weakest hero in the game of laning is Largo.
This was last patch. Do you think that this still applies? You think Largo is weak in laning?
Oh, absolutely not. I don't know if that guy who told you that saw some of the games as well or mid Largo almost like beat Lina
Which is one of the lane dominators. So probably probably wrong. Maybe delete that guy from the friend list. Yeah, that was CC and C
So guy had no idea what he's talking about. What can you do? Oh, no, is that loaned route on the other side?
You got scammed, you got one of those fake ones that add you on Steam that you already
had and so you probably accepted the fake.
Did he recently ask you to join his tournament?
He did.
I can't walk back in the Steam but...
Did you check your items?
Are they still there?
Oh no.
Oh my gosh.
We got a Loan Druid that is kind of worrying though for Maus, I feel like this time around
it feels more thought through compared to the first big last game for Maus.
That's interesting.
In the Loan Druid we have talks about several times on the panel about how not effective
it is as a first pick, but this is a very different setup.
However, does Loan Druid have a good time against Monkey Cottle?
I think there's a chance, I don't know how crazy they want to be if they have this flex
available.
It's not happening, but this is something that people did once Loan Druid was straight
up becoming better.
This is something that ATF did run from the off-lane because they wanted to find a way
how to deal with this hero and because he is a hero right now his spirit beard you can
life steal off of him like you can get the Jingus facts so they try to not believe they
lost that game but in this one they're gonna keep the hands keep that monkey in the hands
of cristalis of course and the centaur is gonna be another pick up which is gonna give
them save gonna give them extra bit of us you know top of that you have an extra save
once you get the agonist scepter and you were right the heart pill guys I'm not did
Did you know that Heart of Tarask is one of the only items in Dota 2 that does not share
the cooldown if you're attacked?
Yep.
Did you talk about that, Sheba?
A little bit, yeah.
Talk about it again.
It's the only item that the effect works twice if you have two items.
You heard it from the Queen, ladies and gentlemen.
That is a heart hero right there and they are looking good.
Grimstroke!
Holy bananas!
What the heck does that guy do here?
You can't make a copy out of Lone Druid.
That's good with the ink.
But at least you can link a bear with something, you know, maybe slightly annoying.
And I mean, they don't have too many good spells to throw into the mix.
I have another reason.
Solarbind is LK-ish, but a double-double-edge quadruple edge.
And Vampiric Embrace very good against Largo, because generally his attack speed is slow.
So if you want to kill the wife of Grimstroke, then it's going to take a little while.
Thank you so much for that one.
I don't think they're gonna be running Grimstroke plus Keeper of the Light support too. It just doesn't feel like that's the thing
Yeah, so I'm kind of leaning towards the idea that they're gonna be playing this Keeper of the Light potentially from the mid lane
But I don't like it as much considering that there is also
Largo available who can lick it off
So picking up luck here knowing that I mean they have a little bit of a flex if they still want to be running monkey from the mid lane
Which has been good in the past this matchup the definitely more favor
Like how did time went by I feel like a monkey lost that little bit of edge that he did have
25% win rate. Oh fuck. Yeah, terrible terrible win rate. Well guys come on. That's that's the I'm pretending that I'm Nisha
You know, I mean just because one guy makes a hero look good everybody thinks he can play it
Not so much these days. You know what? I did want to bring up one thing
Did you notice not a single spirit has been picked or banned here?
I think that's extremely fascinating a lot of the spirit heroes are very good right now
We're just glossing over that
But yeah, I'm a little worried about mouse's draft. I'm not gonna lie to you
This centaur has a lot on his shoulders. You know, he's your initiation. He's your tank
He's doing a lot of stuff any one of these other heroes is super super bad if they get run at and caught out
So he's got to save people he's got to take he's gonna be in the front. That's a lot of work
Yeah, I might need to buy three hearts. Oh that will do a cheaper that will end the game instantly new way to win
Yes, it's like they're gonna overwork him, especially if he gets ag. He's gonna be the workhorse. Thank you very much
That's what we like to call an alley up there. My boy got ball knowledge as we are going to our last band
What are we missing here fam? I feel like we're missing on the side of LVD one of the supports at the pens though
They could play Largo and support if they really wanted to, so we'll see where they go with that one.
We did see a support Largo earlier on. On the side of Maus, we are looking for either a support or a hero for mid one in the mid lane.
You're really thinking about that flex keeper of the light mid. That would be dang. I don't believe that's gonna happen.
That would be pretty crazy.
All right
To be see here now
I do have to say I personally get tilted when I see a grim stroke and there's not a lot of single target abilities
We have one
Moment and that one is double-ed. Oh
The Birken brace he can do that too. Oh, that's true
But I don't count that one, you know, because it's the same guy
I won't say though since our another reason that he's so strong recently in the qualifiers the damage amount total ever
was broken by a centaur recently and
Still lost that game. So yeah, what can you do? Anyway, thank you much damage
I could be okay with some like casual enchantress maybe even grim stroke for LGD because of the
I'm sorry. I'm sorry about the ring master. Sorry shiver
So which year did you say a ring master or enchantress? Yeah
Then I could find the quite a lot of value from both of these heroes because of the of course the spell mechanic and I feel like
and changes she has a bismuth and rate as well but the zero I feel like in the
right hands good workout really well this is the old-school classic a
counter to centaur it's very good against monkey king as well because of
the you know just having that extra bit of a catch you catch him with any kind
of vision with a glimpse is gonna get him killed yeah it is actually one of the
traditional counters versus monkey king you can queue them and then see where he
jumps to the glimpse is so far and then also you can get some vision with that
trap so a very, very smart pick there. I'm really liking LGD's draft, but I can still
solve it. There is room, there is time. They get somebody here on mouse, but it better
be a good one.
Yeah, they got still 40 seconds to think about it, so no stress for them, but the options
might be limited. What does well against Puck? Is Keeper of the Life good or not against
Puck?
immediately as they saw that puck. They removed Tiny, which a good amount of
teams ran from the mid lane where you pick up a blink dagger, agonim scepter,
BKB, casual, crystalis, or you can go for the equisaber back, but Nightstalker is
one hero that Maus did run one time and it did feel really good against the
puck in the mid lane. This is something that people started, this was a bit of a
new trend maybe like a month or two months ago and Pangalir, not sure if I
like it too much, like if he's the one getting initiated on, he's gonna suffer quite a lot, it's very annoying for him to play against Disruptor to play against Buck, the lick is also very, very annoying for him, good thing is they have no BKB piercing ability, so once he gets to roll out, I don't think they can stop him, and this is not in a traditional sense, like a range carry, even though we are in the range carry meta, something that he's gonna be afraid of, something that can gun him down once he's rolling, so...
Overall, doesn't seem too bad. I think they had quite a lot of issues in that first game,
but fixed a good amount of stuff in the second game.
Doesn't have a single target extra, though, so I see you're still frowning for the combo with the Grimstroke.
Yeah, what are we doing here, guys? I mean, he ain't got no- we got double edge.
No, I mean, it is- there's a lot of comfort heroes coming out from mouse.
I mean, these are guys that they have played so many times. They are so happy on these heroes,
heroes but I do worry who do you jump on on LGD if your mouse and you're like oh
yeah this will this is a good idea I mean one wrong step and getting
disrupted or old it and it takes a long time to kill that bear Largo's tough
hoodwink's elusive it's tough I mean I don't think they have the kind of lock
down really needed to do much about this yeah they gotta do well in the
laning stage and not let go of a lead they might be able to get from there
Interesting to note as well as that the Grimstroke will be position 4.
Yeah, this is something that Yamage plays.
Yeah.
And Keeper of the Light plus Monk, I mean, they could still swap things around because
I don't think this lane has any synergy whatsoever.
Monkey doesn't really need mana in the lane, so I assume it's going to be Caudal played
with the Centaur in the lane and have Grimstroke.
But then again, like you're also losing some of the value plus, maybe they're thinking
We are going to be running this as a four because it's very annoying for him to play into Largo.
And I think that this is going to be the lane that I'm going to be looking at the most,
this Largo plus a Hoodwink, how much they're going to be able to achieve against this Monkey King
that we don't see too often.
Well, right now, LGD is one game up in this best of three with elimination on the line against Maus.
So Maus has to really pull out all the stops to make sure that they can stay alive in this EWC.
Let's see if they can.
Welcome indeed at elimination math potentially for mouse if they lose this one
If they do force a game three then one of these two will be eliminated game three and so that's how the best of three works
That's crazy. You're wondering. Yeah
LGD versus mouse
Another set of interesting heroes the draft totally different was seeing the lone druid on the opposite team taking in the separate phase of the draft
It wasn't a first pick
Do you think and we've seen Yuma do really well on this hero, but the hero itself is the kind of meh
But again, that's from first picking it. Do you think this is a better position for LGD?
This is definitely better than the last game. I do also think that mouse found a couple of good answers
I mean first of all they have Cristalus monkey king like I would consider monkey king to be quite good against London
You can get some easy stacks against the bear later
You have good team fighting also I would say centaur and pango quite good overall and mouse backs against the wall
Well, Chrysalis Monkey King, this guy has like 2,300 games on Monkey King.
If you want him to perform, this is the hero you're going to give him.
Bushfire is going to miss.
This Chrysalis will have to run away in tree form, getting chased by a frog.
That's the state of Dota right now.
Very nice.
So let's talk about a few of these here.
So Disruptor was the big kind of question, maybe not question, but it was a very big
surprise that we're not really seeing this here at all as KGA picks it up.
Yeah.
talked about how it's really getting its monkey king, what do you think about this hero right now?
I think it's not easy to make work. He is of course very unique and very special, right? The
glimpse, I would say overall, is quite valuable in this game. If you ever find the monkey king,
it's also good against Caudal. It's a hero that generally wants to play on the outskirts,
run away from you. Most importantly, against the Centaur, you know, against the Sampede,
Kinetic Field, glimpse him back. It's very nice for the lockdown. But when it comes to the damage
open for LGT, not the biggest. Definitely need Largo to have some levels, then later maybe look
at the hoodling shard so we'll have to see how the lanes go. Hopefully at some point this game
we can get a zoom in on the centaur set obviously not right now because there's action but just put
it on the here the highest priority list for production not right now but the highest priority
outside of actual kills on creeps here in the lane you say we don't want to miss first blood
it'll be a lot of angry people but very important to see this centaur set of course of course one
of the best ones but there's something missing apparently you still love it of course it looks
even better without the head. I am liking this early lane swap though as a
old guy. First glance to the game off the panto with Bloodcane, he's gonna pop that
very far then try to turn it around to KJ instead the Bloodcane apply it looks
like he'll be okay for the route now. Applied to boom getting forced out in
that half donkey costume that he has on right now. Hey lots of trading here in
the early game but definitely a big win for LGD especially in these early plays
it's very heads up if you can have a healing self available already.
They did. Yammage is a problem.
Nice. Frog Stomp into the lick as Yammage looks to be taken out by Whisper for first blood to end up happening in the bot lane instead.
And let's go through the list here as we start out this early game.
How good is the frog this game? Because I'm looking at the Dispel. The down one that I see, I guess Phantom's Embrace and Shieldcrash are the two big ones?
I like the big ones. It's definitely, I would say it's Ink's 12 and Jingo Mastery Room for starters. Shieldcrash is pretty nice.
Pretty nice. Well, Jingu, you take off of allies, right?
No, you take off the buff of Monkey once he's got the four hits off.
Are you sure about that? Yeah.
Because Jingu is undispellable. There's nothing that gets rid of it.
The stacks that you apply. I see, so the stacks are the ones that are undispelled.
Exactly. Once Monkey has the buff, that's the stuff you're gonna lick off, which you...
You feel quite happy about that one. Also, Solar Bind later, as a glimsy glomsy happening.
Saving him there a bit.
And we've seen some great combos with Caudal this tournament. This does not rank very high for me.
Yeah, it's not bad. It's decent. Pango Caudal we know it, but yeah, it's no Ember.
Oh, the Pango, I'm talking about this lane specifically though.
Oh, this lane? I mean, yeah, it's not that great. I do. I was gonna say earlier, I like this swap up.
I think Monkey King wants to play with a more aggressive hero with the Grimstroke.
And Caudal is, I think, able to nullify this lane and the pressure quite a bit with the Blinding Rite.
But yeah, not the most pressure up here.
The only thing is, under you put Grim and Monkey into the safe lane,
Whisper has two heroes that he can dispel later, right?
The Inkswell and the Jingo Mastery.
Yep, very true.
But maybe you can try to make him choose between one or the two.
One of the bad news, I don't know how LGD got up a double camp on the Easy Camp here,
so that's definitely hurting Maus a little bit,
that they've been pulling this Easy Camp over and over.
Yeah, and we can talk briefly about the Grimstroke as well,
how well that fits into the game.
We see, I mean, for me, the biggest picks is,
It always comes down to the ink spell targets, which you have pango
You have center to some degree and obviously monkey king melee, although it is the long range melee
So how does this hero feel to you because obviously slacks this is kind of my mentality back in the day
There's no soul buying targets. No, that doesn't really matter
It's kind of like I was it's like the black hole of an England
It's a bonus the heroes all about the other stuff if you get a nice one off. It's juicy. It's nice
We like it exactly, but it's not really playing for just silent super good against Largo
You know brother can't really keep playing his stupid song. You have to kill the phantoms and brace
You have good in small targets level 15 talent is very good with the bonus spell damage that you're gonna be pumping out
And the dark portrait against the burial. I have yet to see this and I have I am do not believe you
Why do you not believe I just don't believe you that it works? Yeah
Just like last game how you didn't believe me that dogs you can get an illusion of the bear
He can't I didn't see it and monkey King can get jingle sex off the bear open your god
So that one I agree with yeah, I just know that it's a case by case basis. Now. How good is that?
Hold the thought crystal is oh hope you able to stay alive a little bit longer
It gets off the balance strike trying to kill up before he in time with the jingles actually up
So he's getting some good HP back
But the pushback comes up from the olacore to finish the job and now whisper a frog and trying to chase down Panta looking for a frog
Stop oh Panta wanted to run back in but realizes that he might die if he does that so chooses not to do that in the end
and Illuminate coming out, is whispered, this is so much action, pops the fairy fire,
damage gets killed under the tower, double kill for Whisper, all the experience goes to Panto in the end.
Honestly, big flights, because Panto TP'd in with a Lotus, without that initial heal burst onto Crystallis,
I think he would have died quite early on, and I'm loving some of these early scrimmages.
Also, when you get to play Largo, with a Facebook's rush, you get to keep walking people in the head with it, I'm a big fan.
That leaves Boom at the top for a little solo XP.
You got some nice XP last game as well after getting to talk to a pretty rough start as
Crystal is even coming out, showing himself to the bear.
Jingle Stacks.
Yep, the Jingle Stacks are there.
This is proof as he's actually just going to die here, he gets glimpsed up and just
taken out.
What?
What just happened?
Not on the same page as Mouse and now you can see the surround tactics onto Boom.
He's definitely next on the list. Good blocks from KJ on the Disruptor.
Probably going to Fairy Fire as well for Boomba. He still dies anyway.
Yeah, that was good.
Anyway, you can see the Stroke of Fate on Tylong gets the illusory orb off.
Wainrich to the high ground.
Will be an active rune.
He's just going to get Swashbuckle from the side though, so no way to dodge that anymore
using all those spells.
Alright, Panto.
And just get away.
Panto's angry ammo for it. He goes bottom, turns around to stuff, comes to the top rune,
gets to kill onto Tylong as well because they really need that because I don't know what
happened in top lane.
That was a little bit of a cringe play going on, which honestly, it happens, but you don't
want to be pulling this out in an elimination.
I don't think I've ever heard a catch.
That was a pretty cringe play.
It happened.
That's really good.
Go back now, Hunter Boone.
Under the tier one.
He'll stop only onto the bear, and he gets glimpsed back.
We're seeing the power of KJ on this disruptor.
Kill the bear.
No Centaur.
Dead to rights.
As yeah, Yuma, his bear will tumble to Pantos.
That's a lot of gold going in the pocket of him.
bot lane going on to the frog pretty tanky target the bush mark comes out the jingu stacks are online as well
Which we're not gonna be able to get any teepees to help out
But he's pretty fast off the lick and kills off the ammage getting the earn charge but no he does fall in the end
But it's getting the cost of monkey king. It's again. He's gonna beautiful dodge from tylong
They kill off or monkey king for a separate time. I believe is he's gonna get taken up
I may want to meantime double kill for the pango
Just non-stop action here is now mid one outnumbered KJ out of man
It gets the shield trash off getting a nice barrier swatch
Was that disruptor and he's gonna get away. Oh
God, I love what I did to the incredible start to game number two
I love myself some some dota 2 that would that was not cring. No, this was
Well, it depends who you are
You're a fan of a good Monkey King performance, and this maybe isn't your forte right now.
But Whisper kind of owning the Jew King back and forth, got the earned charges to phase boots.
Yeah, Crystallis has, he needs to recover, because he's low on the CS, he's low on the levels.
But we will watch Midwong's fan-seached footwork here, and he has one more hit to get the Jingu stacks, but...
Oh, he barely got the last hit there.
Man, oh man. Third death for Crystallis in this game already.
How good of a comeback here is Monkey King, generally.
That looks like a bargain.
No, I love this roster, it makes it so funny.
Yeah, Whisper, he's got to shake it off,
because he was doing some good stuff in his bottom lane.
Okay, Monkey King, it's a...
Most of Crystallis' heroes, they want to play from ahead.
They're designed to play from ahead.
You know, Monkey King, Razor, he plays Bloodseeker.
Honestly, he plays all the dirty heroes.
But the good thing for him is that, even though he's died a couple of times,
his net worth is pretty good, he's getting some recovery on the levels.
I do like it more when he plays the aggressive monkey. You know the deslater the mage slayer
We saw him the other day didn't work out. He also bought battle three once again spirit didn't work out
Good dodge on the bush there hunting
They get a single thunder strike on him then
He just dies pretty much because you just open yourself up to glimpse until he gets a bkb
Eventually Yuma being pursued by mid one on the killing streak right now
And of course, out the ult, but the silence comes out, doesn't matter. Transformation happens anyway, also doesn't matter for Yuma getting out the ult, because he dies to the three members of Maus.
Very, very nice move here.
By the Maus side, I like that they're using the two supports to play through the other two cores, you know, allow Chrysalis to recover.
Yeah, what did he use ult on?
He must have needed it to, like, stay alive, you know?
Oh, he gets Bushwack in the tree land, now they get the vision, Frog Stomp to follow, that's a dead Monkey King, so Chrysalis gets glimpsed up.
Is that possible to dodge still with mischief?
No.
A glimpse?
No.
It used to be at some point.
I think there's a chance that you can maybe dodge the incoming damage, but not where you're
going to get glimpse.
It doesn't matter what you do.
You're going to have 10 million monkey king games or 1.
Doesn't matter how well you time it.
But there was a nice pick up.
They must have seen him jump in between the trees.
As an LGD, they've got the whole family in the mid lane, so 10 minute rune should belong
to them.
Damn, they smoke up.
Inkswell on to mid one and a dodge that is Ty Lung is gonna get silenced up those
middle with a nice swashbuckle to try to finish the job here.
Boy, Swat just in time!
But Ty Lung still taken out by the shield crash.
Now, he's the first soulbinder of the game on to two, the bear and Lone Druid
himself, that is gonna be the death of Yuma.
So nice job from Maus, despite the numbers being there initially for LGD.
It's not over yet, a big swashbuckle, double kill for mid one.
Chris is doing some nice blocks onto Whisper.
As well the creep is there gonna get the ink source done in addition as whisper takes a tumble so Panto and company they get four
Miles are back and I'm all for it. They're playing really really nice sights up there by Yamage
Second nice sights have I seen today on the sharpshooter?
Looks like they're not done yet. Oh, yeah, that's a big boundless strike with the Jinko Stacks already up
But they get the coil up to two. He's actually starting off the tree going for the look on command that again crystal is falls
because this game is a complete shit show in the best way possible.
Three dead for Maus now, and it's probably going to be four in the form of Fanto.
Trying to get this kill on the theola core, something to take home,
but it is not to be so double kill for Tylong.
It feeds for LGD, immediate respawn into TP, into feed for Maus.
I was just about to praise him and be like Slackfuls, right?
You know, game one, they're kind of trolling on purpose,
give the enemy team like some confidence, and then they just shard it up.
I don't know what just happened to you.
So I don't really mind this aggression, but the thing is that earlier Thailand, he didn't get to use his coil at all.
So on this respawn, the only cause to living, he gets to evade the last hit from Tanto.
I still think Mao is doing a very good job, like in the OBC display right now, not good, not at all.
But you have the fuels to play, you've got some other stuff, they're still strong. I don't know why you're laughing.
They're still, they're doing well, okay?
I mean, I love games like this, it's so entertaining. Mid-Watt, is it gonna be the turnaround now onto Thailand?
It is which means chrysalis is about to feed somehow here as well at the elicor
It'll be the one to fall so two dead for LGD is
See Panto dying on the other side apparently
Now let's try finding KJ in the tree line so those LGDs turn to feed away three kills with
Stun not gonna be there in time. He goes through the gate. He's gonna be pursued though
Indeed swashbuckle and ink swell that should do the job. So that's four dead now for LGD
Yeah, who's laughing now you will laugh if you go straight into life 30 seconds give it 30 seconds
All right coils back up. Okay at 13 minute mark. We better have some dead heroes on mouse otherwise you're dumb ass
Because no they're doing good. They're using mid one
I think especially is really leading the charge and I like to switch up a lot
You know from game one to game two. I just think that these type of heroes fit him a lot better
You can see if he's 7, 1, and 5, he keeps playing around with the two supports, early defusal.
Going for the bear.
Yuma farming nearby.
He'll have to move his real hero soon enough.
Won't be able to kill it though.
They didn't want to overextend. They have a little bit of a...
Well, you can understand based on what happened with 2 minutes ago.
Well, 30 seconds timer is over, miles are all alive, sorry about that.
Give her take a minute here.
Depend... depending on time zone.
time zone. You're gonna keep upping the 30 seconds one minute. Chris, let's keep going back. That's good. I'm not invested in this game. Still working on that
battle theory. And that's the thing, he's trying to join all these fights. Obviously dying quite a bit is
battle theory the right item if you're gonna be doing this. If he's actually gonna settle down and farm. I think so. I would have
I definitely like that. I think when you play with this draft, like you have Pango, you have Monkey King, you have a lot of Minus Armor, you can play with it.
It's also very good against Lounder. Lounder doesn't have a lot of armor until way later in the game, same with, honestly, same with all of the Dire Heroes.
But we will see what he can get going, and maybe he gets a Tap of Space.
I'm not gonna show himself, but here's the counter-action to get the static storm on the two. Mid one dead.
Looks like the Grimstroke is next, still inside the coil.
That's not four might be three that would deck limbs coming out on the panto
Now it just needs to be Christmas
It took one and a half minutes not 30 so three times as long that means a mouse or improving
Yeah, but lgd right place right time two-man coil into the two-man static storm
Definitely can't really afford all those here to be in that
Like mid one needs to be alive or if he gets gone on you need panto to kind of squeeze out some heels with the illuminate
or like a fully charged Holyocket and yeah Whisper after having a gamer perform the super gamer performance in game one
Now I'm going to put a vessel into the radiance
So he wants to you know make it happen himself. Yeah big boy radiance really
Okay, I've seen it a few times. I'm like cool the mid Largo. Let's see if he swaps it around as for now
He took it away. He wants to go be key. Oh
Watch this replay is a good date from Tylon. They set the trap down
Yeah, now I'll stealth for it.
And that's also like the combo of Puck and Disruptor together.
Like, even if you use the Stem P there, they're not able to run away.
They're gonna be quiet to get kinetic feel that even if they do, you can get glimpse back.
I mean, you can definitely tell that they're feeling the pressure.
They did somewhat of an even game, but...
Huma hasn't really done much in this game yet as he is alone doing.
So you know he'll be a factor later.
Tylong with the Witchblade, about 300 away from a blink now, so wants to get ultra aggressive.
Mid won his counterpart in mid, he's going for the Agnus Scepter, still 1500 away for
that.
Obviously has the Diffusal already.
Is this a game where we see a Disperser?
Is there any reason to go for that?
It's quite good, but more so later on.
Let's see if they can chase down Tylong here.
Yeah, he gets boundless, struck, nice status, stormed, the tent, he'll only hold one in, is Chrysalis with the Wukong's man.
If Tylong does get off the losery orb in time, so should be fine here, KJ, not so much.
Just the one sacrifice for LGD, not too shabby from their perspective.
Still good, but I feel like maybe if you can time the Ink's well there before he gets to kill the Scylons with potential kill on Tylong there,
who looks like he will get himself the hands on the active room.
Still looking at mid one myself, thinking he's having a quite good performance.
Limehunter going all the way from the acronym Scepter.
The only thing is that it's not that easy for them to make plays.
You're not going to link dagger early on Centaur, which has been somewhat normal.
There's the Coyle on tip two, a little bit nearby as well with a good bushwhack onto the pango.
Shark Shooter misses though, good sidestep for mid one, that's going to save his life.
Going to try and turn around to Tylong instead.
Very low on mana, he's actually going to go for the roll.
They shift will initially dodge it gets the blink away
Okay, so no roll for a bit at least they do survive as Panto
He can of course dish out a lot of use right with both the luminous and the holy locket to try and keep mid one alive
This is a 17 minute battle theory for
Crystallis
Um has not really been participating in the fights after all of these deaths
Which I guess is a good good news considered well at this point when you have fury you definitely need to form
The only problem is that I'm never a big fan of Fury into BKB because it means you're going a farming item into like a semi-fighting item
But at that point you're still not strong enough
So you need to wait for like your third item and your fourth item
I definitely would prefer this like desolator into BKB route and you know play with your team and also adjust and have the same
Impact at the same time as mid one like when he gets his aggro scepter on the pango. He's incredibly powerful
And they get a hard onto boom as well, of course
This is the item of the tournament according to Mr. SirActionSlack, who only speaks the truth, of course.
That's right. Love seeing it actually.
It's just a good item. I think it's actually not. I don't know if the changes they've done to it also.
Probably Centaur has to be one of the best heroes that you can get it on.
Perhaps want to go back to the Fury. I would assume that one of the ways to think about it is the fact that the game is going to drag on any way.
they can make moves as like three or four
and this way he gets like scale into the game.
No.
We're going to stampede to try to take out the other car.
We'll be an easy kill.
And this is definitely a game.
Not a mid one has ags.
I assume shard is next.
It's just way too good of a shard game.
It's, I don't mind if you will go blink.
I think that blink into shard or shard into blink
because he is the only fight starter,
at least from what I understand in this game.
That's true because you're going hard first on sense.
Yeah.
see because now boom is of course queuing up the blink dagger as whispers just kind of you know
walk his face first into them it's got the bkb yeah fine you can use it the kinetic field
we'll have to use it here shortly they kill off the horse man and they're gonna get crystallized as
well so trying to farm the enemy creeps with that battle theory they're gonna lose three for it so
another questionable decision for mouse but it's a great play from whispers to run in with his bkb
because he knows that they can't die but you need to go hit some creeps you bought
battlefield and monkey king you cannot die first in these type of engagements if
you're lgd you're incredibly happy and I think miles have some of these
mistakes where they do overstep a little bit in some of these fights the good
thing for them is that mid one was you know he's chilling he's not dying in
the type of play but then the problem is why do you want to be three people here
because lgd they will happily oblige this play and just kill all of you
Absolutely
The good news for them, I mean, maybe it's not that good news. Let me hear this one
So Chris was bottom network to the course. No, it's not that far that's only 1500
but the problem with that is
Once he gets acts
He's gonna be getting more far like it's basically almost impossible not to yeah
Not for sure at least for now
Now, they do have decent scaling into the Laundruit as well.
Like we've seen the power of Pango.
I would also consider Centaur to be a quite good scaler, like, into Laundruit later when
you have the Yavhard already, he has the Shard.
You can get a lot of stacks on the bear, permanently.
Yep, KJ found.
He'll be killed.
Human nearby.
That's exactly what we want to see from your supports though.
Tank the gank as it were.
20 minute mark though, so Maus is going to take this opportunity to go for the Tormentor.
Let's see, Whisper's eyeing them and remember, it's daytime, he sees everything on the slowground.
They're on the high ground right now.
That's mid once they run right into Tylon, he's going to be spotted, initially gets licked up, already a half HP to use the Stampede.
He's getting super low though, the coil has several heroes to follow.
The Wukong's command comes out, the frog taking a lot of damage, has to attempt to run away as Whisper, barely with a trickle of HP, lives.
already too dead though for LGD is that mouse I mean they are hurting so I'm
not even sure oh look at this title I'm trying to finish the job off of the monkey
king it's a lot of damage but not quite enough to kill him off they can't go for
tormentor though they're way too low yeah if they had any more time on Pantos
all they probably could heal up and make it happen as the title I'm still playing
around with them if Chrysler's dies to a random illusory over
He'll be fine. I have paid for it now. They are getting killed up.
And they're both a good fight. And this is why small things matter.
You know the Essence ring on mid one with the Mystical Enchantment, they're all dealing each other.
That's okay. They're taking a lot of damage on the second one. I'm not falling for you anymore.
I'm gonna try to delay this as much as possible. No coil up.
And they've done a nice job of making Mouse get off of that for now.
You must very happy if nothing happens as he's waiting for his bear cooldown, which is soon gonna be back up
Okay, Johnny outskirts looking for a good static storm target obviously they're all grouped up next to the tormentor could be incredible
But it's all about timing here
And they're too far away. So this will be a tormentor or mouse
And Panto will receive the shard. So it's very nice double soul body
Solarbind. Solarbind. They have Solarbind and Solarbind.
End up a little bit more heal on the Illuminate, which is nice.
Tylon.
Crystal S.
He's taking pretty low. KK gets off the static storm. They don't want to get the last hit.
Illuminate comes out for the heal, so he's going to be AOK.
And it's a Solarbind now onto 2. The battle is striking to keep him both in place inside the Wukong's command.
A good turnaround here from Maus, giving much-needed heals for Chrystallis, so they take out the two supports.
And now they support a 4K lead.
Yeah, Panto's having a very, very good game on this Cotto.
Early glimmer, early holy locket, you also see like all the heals just coming out.
So even though you are going on the Monkey King there, it's just...
kind of too much HP for you to punch through.
No.
Okay, what was this?
Uh, PKB works.
Yeah.
Maybe it was forced out by mid-1 or...
Let's see if you can replay here.
It's just all of the heals, also like with Soulbind.
Definitely think that the support duo here, off mouse and mid-1 are kind of holding the game in like a very good grip for them.
Whisper is in fact going radiant, very cool.
Honestly, I don't mind it. I think first of all the evasion is quite good in this game and just a little bit more scaling,
Scaling making sure that you're also a big threat for the enemy draft is nice
Smoke from mouse. They did scan it out. I believe on the dire side. So maybe Yuma has a read here
His bear scan that now too. He has me owner eggs
And working on shard, I do believe they did kill the Pyrasma off Tylong
Which definitely hurts you a little bit here
especially when you're down, like you're down 3k gold.
And while Kato doesn't really catch puck,
he's very annoying when the game reaches
like this 20-minute mark, right?
The glimmer, the heals.
Oh, do they have the connection?
Oh, the angel doesn't hit.
It doesn't matter.
They have enough damage either way.
Boon getting the last hit.
Big kill for Maus.
And this is the type of Maus we want to see.
You know, when this team was on point,
it was mid-1 leading the charge with the two supports.
They are kind of replicating that at the moment.
Priscilla's in the bear having a bit of a one-v-one.
Our Kano there for mid-one.
When it comes to the Roche play, which team has the advantage, would you say?
Give it two miles just because you have minus armor as mid-one collects himself a 3B on the king in the jungles.
So definitely should be like a mouse favor. Not only do they have better heroes, they're also ahead in the game currently.
Gonna put it to the test right here. Looks to be free as well. Yeah
Now do you put it on Chrysalis? He's the lowest network core. I don't think so
I think you keep giving it to mid one so he can climb so he can go ham and I would even go as far to say if
Are they killing it at the time?
Yeah, they should get it. Throw some stuns in there.
He's got an L read here by me and they will give the gem instead to mid one.
It might be them with the L read, we'll see.
I guess we'll find out.
The rationale...
So what does that mean exactly?
It's because he's not that farmed.
He has BKB battle theory.
He wants to farm.
This A just provides him that space or is he actually going to join his team to try
to get some outer towers?
I mean, I would assume that it just allows him to farm more aggressively and then yet
to connect to his team and they're playing with the idea that mid one is rather unkillable.
know if there's supports behind him. As long as this Aegis gets used in an
aggressive manner by whoever holds it, I believe it's okay. It shouldn't make the
biggest difference as long as this Aegis is used to like you know push the map
forward. I'm rating it's online for Whisper and of course not a traditional
Offlane item for the Froggy man, but obviously went to BKB and Spear Vessel first, so he is quite farmed.
Definitely so, and there's a little bit of a damage problem for the LGD side. I would say at least for a couple more items coming out.
Again, have to talk about Hanto's Caudo who's dishing out a lot of kills. You're also playing into a Centaur who has heart, 3600 HP already.
So I think until you get a little bit more going on your heroes, it's not too easy to
kind of punch through them.
This does feel like a game where the supports, if you're from LGD's perspective, you need
to take out first, if you can.
Honestly, it's like very often the case, especially in like these mid-game fights, because the
supports are kind of that keep the fight going, and LGD now that you have a couple of items
on Yuma, as the KJ is in the vicinity.
and spot it.
We'll be going down here.
It's another game where the offlaner is not an initiator of any kind.
So you have the mid laner that's like your pseudo initiation.
You have a blink dagger now on KJ, I suppose.
And his mouse is just, you know, much more standard.
Obviously the blink came out later for Boom,
but he has it in addition to the Lotus.
Is this Tylon?
Nope.
Okay.
Mid one's just fishing.
You know, doesn't really have any vision.
He knew that he knew that the puck was around with some of the wards going for a BKB next. I like that one
This is Jingu kicking off. We're gonna have HP that has a spear vessel applied as well. They're gonna go on top of mid one
Sharp shooter is gonna miss. Chrysler's on the run. He bets first leg down already. That's very little commitment needed from LGD
Mid one. Swashbuckles there. Chrysler spots the BKB into the Wukong Sumida.
I mean, LGD is gonna run out of it and Chrysler's will as well. So
Well, we used it defensively.
That's a good punchback from LGD, right, kind of maintaining your map control.
You push them out of it.
That's a BKB charge out.
Drilling Thunder is gone.
NTA just as well.
So Whisper kind of showing off the power of his radiance here.
Now also with the Kaia, giving yourself some more mana regen, some more spell amp.
Very happy about this item combo.
We'll be going for the Agam Scepter, which, let me see, a lot more standard.
Although there's been games where we've been seeing
froggies not go for it.
I do think it's good here.
Yeah, I do think it's good here.
Just choosing between movement speed, healing,
giving some more bonus damage to all of your heroes
I think it's quite nice because
you are dealing with a little bit of a damage lack
I think on the next one or two rounds of items
you can kind of power through
the caudal heals, the heart on the centaur
and the 2k, 3k HP that they have on the heroes.
What is the sacred relic?
What's the nullifier? I think it's going on mid one.
So he's swapping it up from the BKB to the nullifier just to...
It is very aggressive and honestly I don't mind this mindset at all from mid one right now.
I think you can tell that he's a little bit amped up.
I think after this game one, just making sure that you can power through all these dire heroes.
And most importantly, also the A on this one, the stupid pock hero.
So E on disc and glimmer, is that all I'm missing?
So it's basically just for the E on this.
It's mostly just for that, just to make sure that you can't really keep this going all the time.
It's just annoying to play against this hero as Yuma.
Okay, throttle, goodbye. Good knowing you.
Counter initiation from mid one onto the Panda, not gonna happen.
I'll talk though.
Yeah, Chris is gonna find himself a froggy with the Centaur nearby, whisperpots BKB.
Nothing's gonna keep him alive through all that.
So very big kill for Mouse.
Whisper top net worth on his team not for long though
It's Yuma fast approaching. I mean I have a lot of damage into this frog still like if
Until later, you know, it's not that hard for them to get look at I mean he's like two shotting this guy
One roll shield crushes. I'm lucky shot and one auto attack and that's kind of all all he needs
Interesting he's opting to go Scotty next oh, hey, go that's cool
Very interesting. How does that work against Froggy? Does it not do that much anymore?
Well, it still does.
It has that heal reduction works.
Well, you're still reducing it, and I think it's quite nice.
But the only problem is, I don't think you need it on both heroes, because I see also that Crystallis is whining it.
Obviously, Pan goes still as, it might be another freebie, the Olycorn.
It's got a glimmer, if he intends on using it.
Yeah, Sharpshooter, it gets him some distance. Oh, pops a huge Lotus.
Haha, jeez.
Back to full mana, has a gank onto Yuma's bear, looks to be successful.
That's pretty nice.
Oh, there's a little bit of surprise, because I feel like...
...Basher is just...
Who's it better on than Pango?
It's just almost a guaranteed bashery slot.
There's Sir and Pango who are like insane scotty heroes, I agree with you.
I'll get Coil, top lane.
Nightfall away.
Should be good to go.
Still 90 seconds on the deck where LGD can go kind of rampant on the map.
They are going to wait for potentially, you know, you've got the gem now on Tylong.
You can squeeze out the map a little bit.
That's an angry support.
You want the bear, but it gets feared away.
Now the Stampedon cools out for a bit.
Still a big fan of the center here overall.
We've been seeing it in more and more games than Top Network.
You have nice items to build.
He always looks like you're just having a good game.
Of course, you can go the greedy and champion, which is quite nice, top-networth.
And he is very good at this game.
I believe he has a shield as guard flying out.
Very good against the bear.
Like, super, super nice.
Also, just easier for you to catch up to heroes.
You're very annoying.
What a timeline we live in.
Centaur can be top-network in the game.
And it's not even that difficult to get it going.
And we haven't gotten a zoom in on his cosmetics yet, which I'm sure will soon.
Very important.
There we go.
Get a good angle to the ass.
If they go to game 3, he will equip the helm, I'm quite sure.
No way.
Yeah, it's against all type of things.
Tylong.
I found him initially, can't lock him down.
The static storm now applied just to the panko.
You're not going to apply some pressure with the bear.
Wukong's command coming out from Chrysalis.
He's getting quite a bit of damage.
You get the swash though this.
Going to be death number one for the bear.
And all likelihood, Coil's not enough to save him.
So Coil expended just to exit here.
They don't have enough damage to power through these rating
heroes right now.
Like it's not just the heels. It's also that when you run into mouse they own the entire area of the team fight
You have monkey King old and also the rolling thunder. It is incredibly difficult for them to just deal any type of damage
Not a tormentor going their way potentially damage
Indeed
It's of course quite nice
Get a little bit of a heel going and we've seen like any type of small heel can really make a big difference
This will pop up from the Scotty to the Badger, first of all your Monkeys are rebinding it
and I think the Badger just makes more sense.
Limer into the roll.
Alright, the Olaqor gets clipped by the Shield Crash, no true connection but the Nullifier
applied, not going to go any further, Stampede used though, that's going to be used to kill
off KJ.
6k lead for Maus, is in pretty good position now, Rosh. Pretty late spawn though.
Small silver lining for LGD I suppose.
They are just looking for, it's almost the next round of items.
You have Yubo who's queuing up the VKB, that's how they completed.
Leaves Tylong with the OctoRing core.
Some of the bigger ones you're looking at of course is always, like when you play this Ropter,
you are thinking about the Aghanim, which is one of the best aggs and one of the most game-changing Aghanim sectors.
Nice cancellation there, so Yuma's bear out again and 50 seconds for no bear so he's not getting any farm in a mean time.
Yeah, and you don't really want to engage a fight when you have only one bear anyway, so this is like gonna be two minutes of Yuma not really wanting to fight even after finishing the BKB.
Highline with a good dodge, of course not the hardest against Senter.
When the bear is up, it will have BKB belt.
Mhm.
And now, starting to hit, well, not quite critical mass,
but it is top net worth on their team.
In fact, all three cores for LGD, similar net worths.
In fact, all cores in the game.
All the cores now, this one, are having a very good game.
Think they didn't really ask for that much more
when it comes to their overall items and everything.
I mean, the big separation is really the supports.
And obviously, the coddle is just going to be farming more than most supports do.
ports do. It's just really hard for this roster to really, you know, keep it up there when
it comes to the network. Next row should be kind of what we're looking at. And of course,
if you're LGD, you're kind of also happy if the game slows down a little bit, gets like
a couple of minors on your loan, do it. We all know that Puck scales very well. And the
agonist sector on KJ will be a huge game changer if they do get there.
Smoke from Maus. Find the connection onto the squirrel. Frog not able to help squirrel out in this case.
In fact, might lead to the frog's death instead, but the TP's coming in on top of the outpost.
Made one faking out the rolling thunder. LGD will exit.
Maus just getting every pick off now as their lead continues to grow. So 8K in their favor.
whatever. What is the key for mouse? I'm going to finish this game.
Yeah, I think getting the next ages, clearing up the map more and more and more.
The high ground is not that good, which means they have to keep playing on map pressure,
kind of closing it out for LGD. They have had access to a gem for quite a while,
but these next ages should unlock quite a little bit here for them.
Maybe, you know, some of the tier 2 outer towers, you get the outpost, you keep claiming a little bit more on the map.
As Roche goes for the bell.
We'll get it for 3 unless Tylen wants to do something crazy here.
And start poking.
He's gonna head to the north, so...
All the goodies for Mouse, gonna be Aegis and a Banner.
I like that they're giving it up. Like, sometimes you have to give up something and it's AOK.
Amplify damage room on Tylong you push in top lane all the way basically all the lanes are pushed in which means now when miles are done
They kind of have to split up a little bit pushing the lanes here and there
Still red just about to be finished here for you must bear mm-hmm and
What's the item after that we've been seeing butterfly occasionally?
Do you want to see?
Baster or something like that. I don't like butterfly. I think you need to be able to deal some damage
I think Badger could be okay. Maybe even an MKB or a BKB because you're playing into like pango teamfight, monkey king teamfight
That's also blinding light to make you miss
Yeah
A couple of good neutrals of course coming out also here, especially for LGD, the double thunderous catalyst on the two spellcasters
Are big ones. No more greedy
Not only on their supports of course. I mean KJ will not give that shit up. If I'm playing disruptor, I'm
Going to some stupid neutral camp. I'm pressing Thunder Strike and I'm holding greedy forever
until I have like my axe plus one and it's like okay guys spell amplification here I come
okay
yeah static storm aka a we doom always a crazy crazy axe definitely always rated
it very highly in terms of the rank list yeah you have five easily how you have to
it's a game-changing agonist from a support you don't have too many of those
Definitely something, if you are a mouse, you will be talking about it, you know, potentially later, I would say, who was the only counterplay that really happened with that?
Wind Waker's potential cards.
Alright, high ground attack.
Very aggressive, yo.
40, half HP is the Monkey King, Chrysalis, and a bit of trouble inside that coil.
Not able to dodge out that sharp shooter.
They're gonna burn life number one.
Really, it was just coil and sharp shooter.
Rolling Thunder for mid one onto the back side, they're gonna turn the side down onto the bear itself.
Or they can half-HP, part of the DKB is boom, gets wounded inside the Wukong's command, the bear does fall.
Is LGD trying to reset now?
Wukong's command not gonna last that much longer, the bear has to walk all the way back.
It is a successful defense though from LGD.
That's definitely, it's very good for them, it's not just a defense, that's some very fresh ages.
Like, they still had a couple of minutes to boot on that one.
So it's a lot of pressure that you're kind of taking away.
Can't allow you to, you know, potentially run out on the map a lot earlier.
And more quickly, suddenly if you run into a monkey king or into a fight, you won't have to immediately retreat.
And they are going for a smoke, shouldn't be the hardest to read, I believe, for a mouse.
You just pop a couple of spells aggressively and you only see the fuck on the map.
Yeah, Tylong, octaring core, so the core is already up.
Stampede up though in six seconds.
Very defensive play for mouse, good read from them.
I will see both the supports of course going for their own ag and acceptors, which means
you will see the dark portrait, if he's building it, you must believe in it at once.
Otherwise, you think that he's stupid as well.
Well, he wants the radiance from the frog.
Oh yeah, very important.
The 40 minutes stolen radiance.
Okay.
In theory, it should work because he's a hero.
I'm just saying it's, you know, I'm glad you've joined all of us.
I want to see how strong he is.
Luma's bear is found. We'll stop looking for him. They'll get it. It dies so quickly. Yeah
Even just a double solar bind. Yeah, you can take off one, but then there's just another one coming out from Panto
It's pretty worrisome though for
The side of LGD because it's not like this bear is gonna build that much survivability. It's going for Damage right now
Yeah, it's definitely not easy
It's just why we see this first of all the hero wants to play more like map play overall
You know pushing the side here and then playing for like pickoff switch
We haven't really seen too many of that and he is struggling and we've seen the hero struggle in countless games now
Gotta make you think if we're going to game three, I don't think we'll be seeing the bear
Well depends on who's picking
They've both picked it. Yeah, I know but I don't like it
I don't know if they like it either these teams have egos
Because you haven't you've been on a team before these captains, of course these
How often does a coach think that their draft is incorrect?
It happens. No, it does not
Not to stand for spreading fake news
It does happen when you're a coach you're concocting just the perfect draft and then a player always screws it up
It's always gameplay. You're right. The players are always like it was the pick, but no, it's their play
But when you're watching like six different series and the same hero keeps taking a big large L
Yeah, eventually you've got to ask the question
This one isn't as part of an elbow. I feel like LGD still have a good opportunity to bring this back
You cannot spell LGD with all the Ls. That's true. That is a good point
As you can see right there the L very easy to decipher in that hieroglyphic logo
No.
Because we see the players get a bit of a breathing space here in this tech pause.
They don't know what to do when the game isn't on.
That's true.
Very uncomfortable.
They're probably spamming the keyboard.
Or if this was the world cup, this is a hydration pause.
What's hydration?
If you're a pro player, you're going to get rid of that carpal tunnel.
Wouldn't know about that.
You're going to get rid of that neck beard.
Nothing to get rid of there.
Beautiful, man.
KJ is just overall beloved, absolutely.
It does give you a bit of breathing space, and I think if your LGD here, like, you're
behind, I would say it should favor them to kind of understand, okay, how do you stem
the bleeding, how do you come back, what is one of the next things you kind of want.
Of course, I mean, it's good for both teams, kind of depends on who's really talking about,
who's coming up with a plan.
But mouse, you know, they have an 8K lead, I think everything is kind of simple for them.
It's more like making the right choice. I would say it benefits LGD a little bit more because if they mess up
I think they can get out of this game very quickly
And whisper right now so he's about to pick up his blink dagger just a hundred away or so and then he's opting at least in his
Quick buy going for an eon despite the order being a nullifier. What do you think about that? Cuz
Jumping I mean he's been getting blown up every hero has been any blown out as long as
mouse are there in numbers. I guess he just wants to make sure that he lives
like the initial stun you can get off the BKB and then I kind of start
running away. Which is okay but the problem is also they're playing without
an AC against like Pangolier and Monkey King. You should eventually be looking
for that one. Maybe that's like a Yuma item because Largo and Puck don't really
build that one. So now of course we are back in the game.
Like you said, mouse in terms of going higher, not the greatest lineup.
We saw it earlier, like they'd walk up within ages and immediately pay the price.
Even if Monkey King with aggs and a bunch of, you know, being six-slotted essentially can
definitely pack a punch.
Not a traditional building killer.
Once you have like level 25 and like, obviously the refresh on Monkey King is luxurious, but
Once you could just throw out the ring and start hitting down the racks, like do a glyph and stay there.
Obviously then you're very good. Or if you kill a couple of heroes with the Aghanim Scepter and the Daedalus at this point.
Like now, Chris is really strong. I think until this point he was like kind of strong, his ulti was good.
But now, if you're not paying attention, you're dying to the Monkey King ult in like two seconds.
Yeah, for sure. Scotty Daedalus now is going to be Satanic as his quote unquote final item.
But it's aligning now with Disperser for mid-1 and a Wind Waker for Panto, so very, very...
I mean, we've seen so many incredible Wind Waker plays throughout this tournament alone.
And I believe if you're LGD, one of the heroes, you need to buy a nullifier.
Because what they're going to have to play for is like a coil into the static storm with the aggro-scepter from KJ.
And one Wind Waker will put an end to that fight.
You will have to itemize for it because I think lgd they have only this all in play later
So you got to think ahead get the nullifier against this windbreaker
Should mention KJ is
200 away on this agonim scepter
Yep shout out to greedy enchantments without one had a lot of dead net worth in this game
Oh, yeah
But it's about to all come to fruition for LGD, but can they pull it off?
And it's gonna align well
He's gonna have it well before this next row switches good news for LGD
The course on Mars have been, honestly, itemizing quite well. I think Midwant's overall itemization was quite good.
Of course, I did question the theory at the start, but at this point, Chrysalis's build is very strong.
And also, boom, with the Hex. There are no linkances on the diagraph. Sure, Puck has an A on this,
but you can just keep hopping it with the blink Hex from boom, but the eye's on KJ now with the Aghanim Scepter.
Do they want to go for a surprise fight with a smoke to reveal it?
feel it
do they assume
the lgd obviously are just waiting for the next rush even though it is
kind of far away
they could still look and they currently are i believe that there's also a smoke
there's a blink dagger on the bear
so yuma can immediately follow up with his blink bear
you can also break the coil which is quite good in late game of course with
the savage roar
they're coming in hot
lgd
let's see if we can start it with the sheeva's waning rip applied
Panto in the tree line as well, they get the coil on the mid one, he just simply rolls up and rolls away.
And as the bear just going ham, there's the wind waker on the caudal, now taking a lot of right click damage from a crystalist, he's gonna be able to take out the bear.
Panto though is the trade, and under the rolling thunder, applying to the squirrel, Link is not gonna be enough from Whisper, so one for one, support for support.
And there's a static storm onto just the monkey king, he can't get anything off, he's gonna be able to get his right clicks at the very least, trying to heal up, he's still silenced up, feared up now, and dead!
Monkey King down and out as mid one and
Boom trying to salvage this fight to get an all-fire applied to Ty Lung into the hook some into the basher
Ty Lung don't face ship the beautiful deal of course done coming out as well
Ty Lung gets to heal up with the Lotus and now they're gonna turn this around onto boom instead with the sheba's applied
And that's a full team-wide in favor of LGD off the back of a surprise agonist scepter onto
Crystallist. Or LGD definitely got the better out of that one. A little bit of
outplays going on. Nice wideback as well from Theolicor. So much attention on
like this early bear that also kills the collar. And you can just see the two
spellcasts. Eggos went fully ham. 8000 damage apart on both Whisper and
Tylan there. The bear just kind of going to town. And Tylan did a lot of poking.
Sure you have the roll coming out here and you get one of the supports. I think
I think Groom and Midwim definitely put a lot of work in this fight, but this...
Just, you know, not healthy enough on Chris Alas, even with a lot of the health and some of the Jingu hits.
It's not enough to live through this. It was close.
And now if we look back, the Agnes chapter made absolutely no difference.
But, you already popped DKB way before.
No, he still had it. You only popped it right after.
Oh, really?
It did make a difference.
I think with Altus, you get up your BGB, you fucking die.
I thought you died while feared. Okay, my mistake.
It's only at the very end because, oh yeah, I mean, now sure, boom, you have 7,000 HP, but it's not much to play through.
And this is what LGDF have been waiting for.
Oh, this is, if they actually scout Ro, she's up in five seconds.
Oh, they got so much out of this.
Entire map is pushed in. Ro should respawn here as well.
One, two towers, two bounty runes, you get an observer ward, like everything going their way.
This has been flipped upside down. Look at that graph. That is a cliff.
Yeah, that's a deep dive, if I've ever seen one.
He went from a 63 win percentage to dropping at 75% the other way.
Yeah, this one hurts.
Now they see that rush is on the move.
But, luckily for Maus, Silver Lining, they are all up and running again.
And they're getting some big stuff. 25 talent on Whisper.
Tionang is about 27. You saw that Yuma is queuing up also the nullifier. I think he nearly has it completed
I mean, this is the worst like he just got the shard on the bear, which is
That's a sad story. That's not either does happen
Is that the real in it's fetch the problem is that you're here your bear is uncontrollable like it's he's just dragging a guy in
You can't auto attack. I think if they change something there, it could be quite good
Okay, it's a lasso true. He's got bling glass so literally
Blink shitty lasso. Yeah
It's let's see mouse or do they did scan them out GD boom looking for the oh
I'm not on the to want the full support deleted right off the start of this fight
Do they still want to continue here the condos gonna feed away as boom trying to play some pressure to you must bear my profit
The BKB you can see KJ buying back still has that static storm
Agnes Scepter to work with now two dead from Maus and turns to the support heroes one buyback incoming big
Wukong's to man coming out and look at this prog just melt inside the ring
So one buyback on each side
The mouse getting the better of this exchange. It's still a big one right with her out front 90 feel the court
You know that he doesn't even have a by big available. So that's over a minute where he's out
Tyrone definitely can still look for a little bit of a poke does have to respect the hex
But other than that, he's very very strong on the pot.
Does he need to go for Lincoln's or something?
I guess the E on disc is effectively that.
Yeah, it's kind of that.
It will still help you later.
Oh man, he's being so annoying.
So is the bear.
I'm gonna cover that silver edge now.
Well, if Roche isn't dying, if LGD get to keep doing this where the bear is just like
poking a little bit, you keep orbing it out, they're very happy with this.
There's no bear showing again with that Mjolnir, so another wave partially killed off, actually could have gone for it, because now Maus has their site set on Roche, who they make...
You can see he exits the pit because of the illusory orb, so more delay tactics from LGD.
They should definitely force this, and eventually if you blink Xeva's onto this high ground, you can force his A on this.
I think he's out the roar now.
You have to kind of go and zone this pocket a little.
Oh my goodness.
Tylong is being such a menace right now.
The question is, where is Boom with that sheepstick? Yuma can place all this pressure as well without him being in base.
Just hit that high ground if he really wants.
They do us total available now, but Malz have dropped a lot of pressure on this map.
15 seconds away from Whisper coming back, and a tier 3 is getting taken out top. They're gonna force the fortification.
Bushback's not gonna hit. Boomarang applied. There's the coil coming out of the two crystals, already with the BKB statics.
They're gonna walk right through it, rolling Thunder now from mid. Well, they're getting nothing out of this.
This is mouth. They have to kill some heroes.
Finally the battle is strike onto KJ.
Getting glimpsed away at the last moment gets bashed up though.
So that's the death of the support.
Now, you can see the double kill from mid one.
There's Yamage taking a lot of damage from this frog.
He pops the BKB along with the E on disc.
Then people walk it off though.
Get to your three.
Just came back and yeah, Yuma just killing these buildings.
No problem at all. No fire applied to the punch.
Again, just delay tactics from LGD.
They eventually get the Aegis, but that will cost exactly...
Exactly, they get the fastest last moment with the epistle blade, Talon, illusory orb, they shift, link away, waning Rift into the pit, the Monkey King soldier sees him.
As he gets to the high ground now with the illusory orb, he will survive as the Yuma bear continuing to go for buildings.
So we got the melee top, almost the second one in the mid lane.
Who wins this? Quite exactly.
This was really strange, because at first I'm like, Miles are not really doing much, LGD really got to delay.
I don't know if the Aegis matters that much, so Top Brak's Double Glyph is gone.
That's Bear, gonna pour something out of...
My god! Is he gonna die here? Are you serious? That is the Aegis already out!
That is unreal!
What's up?
Catches the Frog and try to turn this around on the Bear again!
Look at the damage being applied to four Crystallis.
Finally the Bear will be vanquished, but my goodness that took so much
effort from Maus. Okay, he does live. Obviously the trade is way better for LGD because I think the
award for shortest ages in a series kind of goes to Christalus here. Yeah, for real. Both the last
one and this one nearly dropped immediately. This is it. He goes for boots of travel too right off
the bat for the Largo. Kind of like that. You know, more movement speed, UTP faster, which is quite
nice. You can always go on everyone else. If you have a biopic available, you can go there too.
I wonder what you must saw in that like the last fight. I love his, you know, the fact that he
He didn't really go anywhere with his bear. You only want to push but at some point
He did put the bear like a little bit away from hitting racks, but either way two tier threes
Arrange racks and a melee racks. It's quite quite big for him
Yeah, almost got that second melee racks too
Yeah, and you got to be careful on it loan to a shreds buildings and you've used your new glyph as well
25 talent available as well. Got the refresher queued up on Yuma for a couple of more bears
if you want to later. Agatheumseptor now consumed by Tylong.
He is getting incredibly strong. Don't really know what he wants to go for next on the
park there is a BKB option. I really like the Lincoln still even though you do have
the A on this. I think the Lincoln can kind of cover the A on a little bit because then
when you know the hacks will kind of get soaked up by it. You could go for a
refresher later as well on the puck, just some double coil going your way.
The fact that you have to worry about this bear at all times is super annoying
for mouse as they go through the gate and now see if they connect with LGD in the
cover of the smoke. This is a very tense game. Bear gonna pop it onto boom gonna
pop that she was no vision they got the plate on the side though yeah it's gonna
pop that e on disk hi long surely should be safe here such a hard hero to
control at the very least they take out the e on disc humor bear I get the
hoof stomp here comes out blinding light cheap stick that's gonna be death
Number one of two and they made him used to be to be on the bear as well. So still quite a big timing
Some active rooms doing the work mid one queuing up a block form which is interesting
And still the core in some trouble yes, he is as if he can shoot himself over the edge. She cannot
80 seconds without the hood link
You're right, this is very... it's interesting because based on how the... how gameplay has
been in terms of the meta with like Roche kills, it's so weird to have this big pause.
Yeah.
If you want to call it that, where Roche can spawn for like six, seven minutes.
It's like so long that Roche can spawn.
Like even from this point onwards, like we're just waiting multiple minutes.
Of course LGD is... things are quite happy with this, right?
We're gonna keep pushing out the whole map as it's being used.
This would be the second bear, so he's gonna be down for quite a while if they could finish him off.
Looks to be the case.
Yeah, that's over a minute.
Very nice.
Okay, Tylong, he's got huge Kohones. He just bought a rape here, like straight up on Pock.
Okay.
He's got an Amp Damage Rune, Divine Rape here. You're gonna croak a brother up?
With Catalyst, yeah, he is... he's a big boy. He's a big juicy boy.
So Damage Rune pops the Shiva's in his place, or swaps it rather.
Yeah, this is dirty.
Yeah, you better...
You better pay attention to this man.
If you're coiled up with this divine wraith, you're available on him with the amdm and throat, you are dying fast.
Mouse, you've tried to go high ground before, with an AP, mind you.
They just do it like this, like running up and down.
But the road's battered down static storm already, but the wind waker is going to be applied to the Monkey King,
mid one with the rolling thunder on the outskirts of this, where's the puck, is the question.
Still waiting for that coil, there it is.
Only onto the one with the BKB pop from Chris.
He's going to use the Wukong Scamander.
There's a fortification.
He's going to nullify most of that.
Sharp shooter, not going to hit anything.
They're going to get the tier three.
You can see the bear on the bottom lane.
So he can apply a lot of pressure.
There's Whisper with a big blink into a lick,
into a double lick.
In fact, it's a forcing stampede.
They've got a few chains.
The horse is very scared of the frog tongue
popping the BKB to avoid that glimpse now.
Is there a city ball?
He's going to chase.
Yeah, the barrage is going ham in the bot lane and of course out the TP's
You see chrysalis able to get out just in time boom not so lucky though
Not sure what the high ground plan was for mouse
No, not really work out at all especially with Chris dollars
I don't know what he's looking for interest or what but he's got ten thousand gold saved up what yeah
You got to spend some gold if you want to go for some of these plays. He's going rapier than he's got I guess you're he's
He wants to consume, have divine, and buy back.
Alright, alright.
And now we have Refresher for Lone, so Lone Druid himself is starting to get items.
That's how you know how late the game is.
So he'll be able to have three bears, essentially.
Pretty much.
They still have glyphs available at least on Miles.
You should... I think something Miles could look for is like set up a trap against it,
because you need to keep tabs on the bear.
All that matters is like this bottom lane, if he can keep clearing the tier three.
So placing some observers and sentries on the bottom half of the map just to find this bear
I think would be incredibly big for them. Yeah
Probably mid one also think of Wind Waker or like a DKB anything to help you play against the static storm would be quite nice for you
So yeah, but she's definitely I'm the start portrait. We've been talking about it
Eventually he had to buy back and he gave up the 3D enchantment because he's looking at bigger things
He took the enchanted Bobrikurva. Oh, yeah, that's a good one to start going for the late game
as if the only core all the supports are dreaming big I like it you know KJ can
keep upping the timeless on his bubble a little bit sad we won't be seeing that
on Thailand no that's true when I think of bubble I think of Thailand you have to
think of Thailand Zeus just killing everyone at least he's still going you
know for the big plays with the rapier on him as he is the top net for slot of
the game so last step for the spirit bear is to consume eggs and then he goes
butterfly which is be a bit awkward for chrysalis because it's not like he can
I guess he can eat ag for an MKB, but what else would you go for I suppose?
I guess the ag that this one is already the Divine Rapier slot, right?
Yeah, that's true.
Maybe this is where the Bloodthorn can come in from mid one.
You know, it was fishing a bit with the roll here.
But of course, you can dispel the Bloodthorn.
Multiple ways later, it's on the bear.
We hear a coil.
Well, okay, mid one almost killed off just from the right clicks alone.
My goodness, this Rapier is going to work.
He doesn't have to buy it.
You're right, 90 seconds, no pango.
Now the Divine Rapier are coming out for Chrysalis.
They're left in a 4v5 situation.
This LGD know that there's no buyback.
You have to assume that he has it, right?
You see him buy Bruce's Travel 2 on pango.
It's not the item you really buy out.
They should assume that he has buy.
They should have seen the rapier now.
They do play Monkey King on the minimap as Prisada showed himself.
Tylox so annoying.
There's a reason that this guy is seen as one of the new prodigies in the scene.
Yeah.
Some pressure now to the centaur.
Yamage.
A half HP despite having an infinite mount seemingly.
I think Yamage sold an item he had for the Agnes.
I don't know if he had flamethrower, lens or glimmer.
Another tier 3 bites the dust and so just the racks are available for the taking.
And of course, like you said, if they knew that Pango didn't have Byron, they would be going in immediately hard right now.
Well, they can just keep playing.
They can bled the coil now onto the Grimstroke. You can see how much damage that does as you must bear.
Static Storm is going to be applied. Give them some space, but nobody's inside it that I don't believe they're getting played with right now.
Yeah, they're just being pulled left and right at the seams as Boom has to use a stampede just to get away.
away 18 seconds for mid one the building's getting they're not getting
destroyed that fast is finally the the range racks will fall to the creeps
well the thing is that eventually you will have America so mid lane now in
favor of LGD it's gonna cost them a bear but he's got more of that came from
LGD are playing this quite nicely I'm not gonna lie if you're a mouse you have
to set up observers and sentries you need to kill this bear before he comes
close and blinks on your axe.
Because he could just blink, BKB and kill it, you don't have a glyph.
Oh, this illusion room could be huge, actually.
Although they are smoked.
And the illusion's gonna suck.
So, not that strong.
In terms of them using spells on it, potentially.
True, baiting.
KJ spotted, destroyed by the Boundless Strike. Does have buyback though, will use it instantly.
The coil being applied to the Grypsrup dying very shortly, tile up.
Not that little yet, double kill for him.
And as you have to be careful with that bear going for that mega creeps, it's going to force out the TP from Chrysalis now.
It's Tylon, forcing mid one back, which what, not going to hit.
It's another BKB TP away from Maus.
Man, whispers and Tylons' damages in these fights are insane.
The catalyst with the croaks, the 15 talent where you deal max health, DPS, it's honestly just kind of nasty.
Every fight is like 5K, 6K, 7K, 8K damage.
damage. Here we have the white hole on Hanto to start protecting the reaction of the bear.
This is going to open up Roshan and this is with all the goodies now. The LGD in a pretty
damn good spot. The silver lining for Mouse is they only have to defend one building.
At this point it's easy to choose where you need to be. Oh it's difficult. Okay I like
the Abyssal Blade on Pristalus. You need to stop this stupid bear. And you have multiple
problems that's the other thing I don't know if you want to be on spell rape
here yeah what's that about that's a misclick okay
that's any fix I think what's it like because you need to stop the bear from
hitting the buildings and you need to stop whisper and Tyrone from killing
you as heroes okay boom is trying to go for the cart to try and save some people
from the static storms not easy at all so hard yeah like you can't even get an
Aether Lens or something to really do that reliably
Because if you're KJ obviously you can like put it more to the side like where they're closer to the teammates and it's even harder to save
Now I guess if you're not getting hit you can BKB blink in safe
But yeah easier said than done absolutely
All right, so how
How does LGD close this out now that everybody's gonna be grouped up in the same spot?
They can just keep doing what they're doing right now.
It's their 5th time, we forgot to mention that.
So we've got some Minotaur horns now for Tylong and Whisper, so extra BKB timing.
Book of the Dead on Laundryd, quite nice.
Let's see if anyone gives up the enchanted baubles.
And this is one of the cool things about Laundryd, of course you get the double,
you get the same neutral on both your guy and your bear.
So you have 18 billion economic ones running around.
Oh my.
What can mouse do here? This seems so insurmountable now.
You have to be ready.
Bear jumps in, already gets the buildings to half-age. This is just mega creeps. You
see the illusion coming out. It's kind of strong that bear is. That's mega creeps now
for LGD. They can slow play this if they want. Coyle was expended though. And now you use
the creeps to your advantage.
They're just slowly getting whittled down. Like, they can just keep toying with them.
You know Taiwan he keeps going in and out. He's got all the slots he wants. There's necro books on one lane bears hitting you on the other
You eventually if your mouse you eventually have to commit wait, which is difficult
But you need to look for a jump and then kind of commit all your stuff on it
You have divine regalia in Africa so looking for an enormous boundless strike crit as they find the pango static storm in there
Gets pushed away though. I'm trying to finish it off off the BKB gets a refresher up looking for another coil
The damage out of him if he gives too much, Divide Rapier hits the deck as Ty Lung can take it if he wants. It's still sitting on the ground.
Who's gonna grab it? Any rapier in Jordan?
Ty Lung? Alright, he gets a second rapier to his name.
Okay, 20 seconds on next coil, fight before or stay the hell of base.
Yeah, Crystal is now reblining a rapier.
Doesn't have a slot filled at the moment as you must bear continuing to rain terror upon mouse.
Uh-oh, five seconds for Coyle.
That banner placed as well. Just on the outskirts here, the creeps have to be pulled in.
Another rapier, this time for Whisper, so the spell damage variation.
Oh, yeah, I like this.
I get the Centaur, hook, duck, and the damage applied to him right now.
The Coyle and the three heroes in the backline, do he absolutely...
Lord, it actually deletes the Amish mid one!
Has to use the roll to try and get away with it.
A sharp shooter deletes him at the last moment.
No buyback for him now as Boob bites the dust as well.
Well, double kill for Ty Lung inside the Wukong's command. They have no follow-up. They do get the pop with that, but that's just the ages.
Meanwhile, Crystal is left all alone, and that is a die-back for him. Three members left for Maus as Ty Lung gets away, and this looks to be it as LGD comes out, and LGD eliminate Maus.
Honestly, LGD is just looking quite good. Ty Lung's watching Whisper play and Ty Lung, and they're always full on some type of performance as that.
You don't really see like all the time you know, Thailand in so many of these late game fights and games
He just goes have ends up with a double rapier and all of LGD playing quite well at mouse in one of the games where they play better
They eventually find themselves dropping the ball getting picked up
LGD get the space they want and they just strike back. What an awesome game though from both sides
The game was pretty long, but you remember the first 20 minutes of like four different fights
Which is when one team fed for another team fed or just back and forth to such a close game
And I mean there's a point where we thought mouse
They were and a 10k lead that we're pushing hygrin and then it just flip flop just like that
Yeah, I feel that they were doing a good job
But then eventually maybe miss reading some of the overall situation of the game holding a lot of gold and maybe rushing
The hygrin when you could have just waited out a bit
But yeah LGD overall getting the things they need to get the KJ agonist sector to play it show the play
make a good comeback and honestly I did expect LGD to at least you know go
through a couple rounds put up a good fight because this team they're good
and they're really fun to watch. Okay before we go over LGD a little bit more
but mouse mid one 16 and 5 on tango that's one of the better pangal
performance we've had at this tournament yeah it's quite a while in fact just
excellently played just wasn't enough this game that Sightlong ends the game
for LGD at 15 and 5 on the puck ends with two divine rapiers as we're seeing
This was the sequence where there were four kills for one team four kills for the next
Just back it was like an AR
and this was from over throw like all
525 majors keep fighting level
I don't drag the hundred thousand damage mark in this game as well and overall like
Sometimes with longer you don't really see its impact
I think in this game you really did whisper popped off the constant boss as well on this entire team allowing Thailand to also
You know pop off in this game overall with the probe. So yeah, honestly
Huge shout-outs and kudos to them and Mouses, kind of falling short, just not looking like they're fine form at all.
The LGD is. They're powering up quite a bit. They look really good in this tournament overall, especially the games that we've cast.
Whisper, like you talked about, has been the X factor in many games, and this is no exception.
The Radiance, kind of unusual for an awfully, especially as a third item Radiance, actually working out quite well.
But the Bear actually worked out quite well.
It did. It took quite a while and I think his team put in, honestly, some very, very heavy lifting.
I actually needed, but yeah, LGD, good recovery, nice gameplay.
Let's go to Milosh for an interview.
Thank you very much, my friends. It is South America that takes it and this won a huge moment
for the region as Yuma is joining me for this interview.
A quick question. Game 1, 35 minutes, smooth sailing.
Why was it so efficient in that first game?
I mean, I think they gave us Hostgarde, so it's, I think it's the classic, if we get
away with it, we'll finish it quick.
They can't keep getting away with it.
Well, game two, they put up a much bigger fight.
It was chaotic to say the least, back and forth the whole time, Paige started off with
little pokes to getting very aggressive, then to ratting and then to big team fights.
So tell me, were you guys usually like to get into fights real early, as fast as possible?
Is there some hesitation or was it just part of the plan to slow it down and pick it back
up whatever is needed?
I think we played pretty bad the first 20-25 minutes of the game.
I think we should not be giving them as many fights as we did, but eventually we're just
like, we need to stop trying to fight them when they're stronger and just to split and
take the long-distance game play and eventually we'll win.
And that's the question of, well, Maus try to play it in the first game, didn't work,
for them why did it go well for you in game 2 because you kind of gave them a
schooling in this one. Was it really a schooling? Well I will try to be positive about it. My friend
60-minute game. No I mean I think we just played better today than them and we
executed it slightly better. Is that why it just worked for you in general? Yeah I'll
say yeah we learned from the losses against Yandex. It's crazy what playing
against very experienced teams will teach you and kind of help you out in
in your own gameplay, you know?
That's right.
Well, lastly, speaking of experienced teams,
you're going to be playing BB Team
next up in the brackets.
And my question to you is, do you have any fighting words
for them before that game?
Any fighting words?
Or just words in general, right?
No, let's just make it a good showing.
And maybe the game for the last two hours, we'll see.
We're here all night, and however long it will take.
Thank you.
Congratulations on a huge win.
And for now, we have to bring out the rest of the team
because this is part of how things work,
is that we crush your opponent's key and you get to do it.
Who do you think wants to do from the team or you?
Let's ask him, come on over.
KJ, come on over.
Who do you think wants to crush Maus's key?
Me.
Ha ha ha.
Thailand's got it ready to go.
So let's take LGD over to our crusher.
Let's give it one more hand.
LGD victorious today, what a game!
Game two especially had everybody on edge
back and forth the whole time
and it's time for a door to open up!
Let's get in.
No, no, you're gonna go in this.
Yeah.
And you'll see how it works.
The key of Maus is already in the machine
and our crusher along their hopes and dreams,
it will also be smashed.
Tylong, you pull it towards you.
There you go.
There's a bit of mechanics, a bit of tech in this one.
There you go.
All the way, push it away.
No need for a spirit bear in this one.
And crush it!
CRUSHED IT!!!
My god, it really gets you up in it.
That is it, LGD, take down Maus, and that is a continuation for
Latin American team. Our panel is ready and set, and is that Slacks?
Did you betray me?
Well, Slacks, I'll let you take this one.
No, I didn't betray you, baby. Somebody had to come up and look at that key,
Look at those crushed ribs. Look at his reaction. He didn't react at all
He just killed a team's dream and look at his face. He's smart. He's laughing. He's laughing
That's their dreams you're crushing and you're laughing dude
Yeah, he wasn't really good at pulling because this is the core player we're talking about
But he was really good at pushing that and he crushed it really
I want to talk about this game we just witnessed though because this game too
You know, you must say that they are kind of not so good in the first 20 minutes, but
those first 20 minutes, that's about two kills a minute.
I enjoyed that.
It's kind of crazy.
I think this is how Maus won like the previous Valakia that they participated in at the end
of 2025, quite some time ago, but this has been their playstyle ever since they have
been formed, where they're just completely running at you, not allowing you basically
to breathe and this is something you might talk about in an interview saying that we need to slow
things down like we have this play and they showed it throughout the whole game after they got Agamem
Scepter all the way through it making sure that there's always something to play 4-chart outnumber
them by outnumber I mean like out push the lanes and make sure that they can't really contest this
and that they couldn't like some catch like forcing Santar to pick up a hex which is not an item that
that's kind of traditional on the hero.
It did some work, but not enough.
LGD, they said, you know what?
We had enough of these shenanigans.
We're not, we don't want to be like playing Dota
on your terms.
Yeah, and I mean, Mouse's strategy throughout much of the year
has been early game domination,
get the heroes that we like,
and maybe not too many synergies,
but everyone's just going to play their heroes well,
and we're going to run at you early game.
So LGD, it did kind of look like a pub game
for the first 25 minutes.
just teams diving towers, killing each other, but honestly,
they had a really good balance of, let's fight,
okay, this is no longer working, let's step back,
let's rat, and then at the end of the game,
Ray Pierce is coming out, taking that fight again.
It was really a clinic from LGD.
They should be super proud of what they did in this game.
They gave them the heroes they wanted,
they fought them on their terms,
they fought them with a hero they just pooped
on the first game and then they ended it out.
So I mean, really, really impressed by LGD in this series.
Yeah, very much so.
I very much enjoyed that when they were fighting
and they were allowing Maus to, you know,
do their fighting thing, they're like,
you know what, we'll fight you
and we'll drag that fight out.
But in the meantime, oh my God.
My bear is just in your bear, in your base.
Kill your bear.
Papa Bear is pounding on the door
and nobody answering.
He is eating all the cookie that was rough stuff to watch because it's at that point. You're in the rose pit
You're like guys, this isn't working. We have to get out of here
We're popping BKB's but you know they just did not let him breathe in this game
They did not you heard the story about the rabbit and the turtle
But have you heard a story about the bear and the frog because it seems like a this one bear was playing on a different
Terms playing on the other side of the map while frog was keeping them quite busy
I don't know what the moral of that story is probably banned the bear or like try to counter him because this one
I mean it looked good for the first like 20 maybe even 25 minutes
Like especially the first between 15 and 20 they looked extremely strong with the coddle with the amount of heels
They did have plus also Glamour cape on top of that like essence rings. They did have they were very very
Thanky, but
They just said yep me do you want to play Dota on these terms? No, I mean it is really cool for LG
It's so great to see their journey from yes Roic to X heroic losing their org then getting picked up by such a big
Tournament, I mean it's fantastic
But I have to say somebody that has supported mouths for the entire year big fan of that team
Sometimes just not working man
I mean they got everything that they needed didn't make it to TI not the placing that they were hoping to have here today
So I love these guys. I think they'd had a really really great year
but something's got to change after that man.
It does.
We're first going to also take a look at from this game,
something that went right for Maus.
Cause you mentioned a lot of regent, no, always saying no.
You mentioned a lot of regeneration.
It was, it was at the time.
Yeah, they looked good, you know,
with the turnaround plays, fighting inside Vukong's command,
maybe some like turnaround plays that they did,
but the game lasted again for another 60 minutes.
And this was pretty much the turner point of the game
when it took a pretty wrong turn, sorry, it's been a long day for Maus
because they're gonna force to use the Rolling Thunder immediately after the coil
and then I think LGD realized we need to take out this Coddle straight away,
like we need to kill him and they're also using quite a lot of resources
using the roll, using the Stampede as well, and also using the BKB on Monkey King
almost immediately, so he's forced to, kinda, like, this is Agathem Center
So he doesn't even get to use it straight away, that's my bad, and then uses it after,
dies immediately afterwards, and it does feel like they can't really take the fight anymore
because again, Tide long, he's just going with them at this point of the game, making
sure that they are getting these two-man bushwax, something that Yolikor really shine in this
last game, and also afterwards, as long as they kill this one, I think it does feel like
their damage output is extremely limited, so they were unable to get much done out of
this one and there's going to be another great point because there has been a very long roach
team fight while the bear was taking all these bear eggs they're like okay we get to trade like we
get something out of this sure you got the ages and then invisible bear hunts you down takes
up that ages so a lot of effort for nothing they're at least going to be taking down the bear getting
some xp getting some gold but in a this is pretty much where the game kind of said yeah lgd we see
what type of a game they want to be playing and that they don't have the answers for it
on the side of mouse unfortunately.
Very sad.
Yeah, I mean, mouse has always been this entire season their best when mid-winter is leading
the charge, he's in the front, they're taking somebody out and they're moving.
And we saw that in the mid-game, you know, mid-winter was just able to instantly blow
people up, but once that HP started getting up, once they couldn't immediately eliminate
somebody, Tylong on the puck is just so much better at that, getting in, dealing damage,
getting out.
He won on the puck, can we just take a moment?
Yeah.
That hasn't been happening a lot.
He has got a 25% win rate.
He won, able to beat the odds.
Not enough to get MVP for him, though.
It was a tight contest.
But I think Tylong was at least third, good friend.
But he was not in, we talked about two players in particular
that we thought would be the MVP of this series.
Whisper was one of them, but at the end of the day,
it's going to go to the Bears.
There was one guy that played Old Bears, Yuma, got MVP.
There we go, a man that certainly deserves it.
I mean, you can see from game one,
seeing this poor little guy get smacked around,
absolutely horrific, this bear action.
I mean, you should really get the earth sign out
of this draft if you're up against these guys
next series, boys.
No bear is safe for Mr. Yuma's.
Yeah, he got the Old Bears, he got that, you know what I'm
saying, got that dog in him, but he got that dog in him.
All right, let's back on him.
Now, he definitely had the best performance, I would say, of them all.
Especially those earlier rotations when he was playing Ursa in the first game,
making sure that he's ganking Sniper 5-6 minutes into the game,
putting in rotation, making sure that they are going to be punishing the enemy carry,
and also speeding things up.
In the second game, like he realized, he talked about it in an interview where they just needed to realize,
Not sure whose call it was probably his saying that I can win this game
Would pretty much one be five or two be five in this case because he does count as two heroes. Okay
That can't be real I mean it's still the same hero
Still counts as another hero sure whatever you say Lacoste you're a much smarter man than I but I will say yes
I agree with your assessment of their scary Barry coming through looking strong
Yeah, I'd be surprised to be got that again. I mean loan drew it
There's not too many teams that are still playing loan drew it these guys the reason that it is still so scary
Yeah, I think maybe some some teams that we already see have made it through to the playoffs might be the ones
You might not want to pick it against because a lot of the higher up teams who seem to have some answers
But you could tell mom's did not in this game too
And that's why they will take their leaf a key has already been crushed
we could take a look at what's been happening today because that is the end of the games today.
We had two series on this stream and um and we slightly biased here but that first series,
oh my gosh. Looks like that was uh that was a bang. That was a banger, you know clear your
schedule if you missed that first series. No spoilers but I guess right there. If you can't
read let me tell you that is a good one to watch. Just that is pure Dota baby. Yeah that was good.
in it, to win it. People are like, babe, come to bed. Why have you been watching this series
for five hours? I don't have time, Ben. I got to see what happens here. It's only been 80 minutes.
I leave it all. So yeah, absolutely. It was it was a great series, Lacoste. Maybe you have
the mistakes here and there, but that makes it more fun. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the first
game was extremely good. The second one even longer, but also showing that the neurona can look
like almost like the MVP of the game as well. Yeah, she's back in the mayhem. She's definitely back
from position five only exclusively for playtest four probably. Only if you're talking. You can't
get MVP if you play this position four so that I think a lot of the teams are probably listening
they're like yeah you know what we want that five Marana. Yeah, we're seeing that more and more right
do supports even exist in this game it feels like now it's basically like back up in the core
right he's like hey you know what give me enough time I'll buy some magic rapiers we'll see what
I think she did something like 2,000 damage in one fight.
2,000 damage I thought. I thought you were gonna say like 200,000 damage.
She did 70,000 damage in that game.
70,000 damage. Holy moly.
But the game was very long so I feel like there's numbers. We can't really gain too much from them.
Sheber, that's almost one damage per gold they were ahead.
That's not okay. That's not okay at all.
Let's see, now you make it seem real bad.
I'm that gambler we can't have that again ice frogs and no no on that any other cool lessons
We learned from today's legs Jesus um yeah when you go into work thinking it's gonna be a quick little day
You'll be very wrong. All right. That was yeah, absolutely great. I mean never count one of these teams out
I'll say that that's the lesson to learn even though these guys were not in the top of the brackets
They all fought tooth and nail and I would say this EWC
this where people show up to play their best, nobody is looking weak in this tournament.
Yeah, I think the format has something to do with that as well.
Oh, absolutely. It's that time of year, especially with single-limb format.
We are seeing some teams really powering up like we saw, even extreme gaming powering up.
We had to say goodbye to one of them, unfortunately, but Team Liquid looking like, again, like a top contender.
This is the type of environment that does power them up pretty strong.
and they do feel like they could potentially do the whole run, you know,
and there's only four series left for them, potentially three BO3s, one BO5.
It's not much anyone to grab, Shever, but we have still a lot of strong teams left in the tournament,
so it's going to be very exciting.
We do, and for us today, thank you so much for your words today, gentlemen,
because we are done for the day on this free will.
Of course, be back tomorrow for more Dota 2.
Yeah, you guys survived today.
This is a survival stage after all, but the survival stage is not yet done.
It will continue tomorrow.
And if there are any matches or any games that you missed today,
thank you for that.
Then don't worry, we are not going to leave you on the planet.
We will be back tomorrow.
But for now, we are going to leave you with the STC recap of the day.
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