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A very good morning. It is survival time for the teams here for Dota 2 at the Esports World Cup.
We're live from Paris and it's the second stage of the tournament.
The survival stage is gonna be brutal. We got a lot to talk about.
to talk about, we got some eliminations upcoming, we got some fancings upcoming, it's a moral
because you don't survive in just one series you're going to survive too, I also got two
people sitting next to me, they survived the first week, just fine, I'm here with Sabin
Lacoste, how are you doing?
I'm great, I did more than surviving, I enjoyed it, I don't feel like I was a threat or anything,
doing great, super excited for this week, I think usually this is when it starts getting
very interesting you know like when tournament life is on the line this is this is my job.
I'm doing good I'm doing good as well Schever you know I got the chance to explore Paris yesterday
I don't know like teams had a day off as well I'm pretty sure that they focused on different things
but really enjoyed it my first time in Paris and the Dota has been amazing and now it's going to
come down to survival stage. What was the highlight gotta ask highlight of exploring. I gotta say
Eiffel Tower. It was closed all around because of the celebration day that was preparing for today,
and it looked like from the distance. It looked very tiny. Then we got very close with the
boat ride for an hour, and it looked amazing. It looked much better. Different color than I would
expected it to be and what I've seen on the pictures. Oh, very special of course with fireworks
yesterday as well. A lot's going on from France at the World Cup today, but there's a World Cup
that's at play here as well, and that was this play last week, as well as last Sunday.
You might have not been able to catch any of the games. I don't know. I don't know what you
were doing, maybe, but if you didn't catch them, that's okay. Gacha covered. We had two series on
this stream that could both, in their own right, be considered Grand Final said, starting with
P-Vision versus Team Spirit. Yeah, that was an absolute banger. I think both these teams
actually showcase also how close they are in terms of play because it was a
very very close series we had the team spirit really put a stop to P vision
domination and remind everybody that they're not impressed you know they are
team spirit at the end of the day and nothing is out of reach for them and
you know P vision were able to strike back it's gonna be interesting because
these are two of the favorites here I would say is spirits obviously the title
defenders so everybody's looking at them and P vision is coming in
They have shown a level of play that's very, very scary for whoever is going to try to stop them.
Yeah, and P-Vision winning that series, sorry, the second game. They only need to win one game, so they tied.
And P-Vision winning that one game was enough for them to claim top spots in the group, whereas Team Spirit will see them in action tomorrow in the survival stage.
And then the series we had after that, we had 1W vs Yandex, because this was another series that could be a grand finals.
It definitely could. I mean, they shared the same amount of points there were 7 and 1 prior to this series and it looked like kind of like both teams can potentially take it.
The first game, it was a bit of a stompy one. Yandex, they got a better draft overall and better execution.
And the second game, I really like the sequence of what happened in that one, especially draft-wise, because they managed to take the PL for themselves and then steal the Earthshaker on top of that,
top of that knowing that it could potentially beat a counter. It did go on for an hour,
but very, very close series.
Yeah, super close series. And once that close, of course, for the teams that won there to
be taking the championship coming Sunday, because top eight is only the start for those teams.
And for some of the teams that you saw are not even top eight yet. Now, we did over the
weekend as well, had some other action going on. We had two different titles finishing.
We have two new champions added to the mix. Starting off with Valorant, they had their
finals and 100 Thieves was able to beat NRG and that was quite the happening. 100 Thieves
now with a thousand club championship points on the leaderboard for the club championship.
So that is a very cool and keep in mind you have to win at least one in order to be eligible
to be first place to begin with. And there you see Apex. It is on limit. They won the
match point and they take the crown that happened over on the other stage and another extra
thousand points for the leaderboard. It's because they're in shape. I mean, it's just
a couple titles finished so far, but you know, it's getting there. And that is, that is cool
to see, Seth. Yeah. Where are you? It's very early stage in a sense. So, you know, it's
kind of like your first day of groups or something. So, you know, I think if you're not, you
for instance, or a hundred thieves, I've been there. It feels good. You look at the, the,
the, the scoreboard and you're like, hmm, yeah, number one, you know, there's like
something very positive about it, but it's going to be a marathon. So nothing, everything
is very, very much up in the air. Nobody should get out of themselves.
Yeah, I think there's like, on average, three games, different titles per week that finish
cost so I mean we were like what week one just finished it's a good way to start for these orgs
like orgs that have multiple teams and they're like are competing in multiple titles but also
starting with the W like getting that potential championship as well it's it's very interesting
and it makes it easier I think it relieves some pressure from like the other squads that they
are competing in with their own orgs because you already have that guaranteed title yeah and we
We can also take a look at our bracket and see what's coming in the survival stage because a couple of these teams
No, if you're if you're here if you're in the survival stage
You don't get any points that you need to be top eight for that and there's quite a few names on this list
That definitely wants some points most notably I would imagine actually team liquid they have come second
years in a row and
They really want to get some points out of their Dota squad. Let me tell you that they could really use those
But this is our survival bracket. We are going to see today four teams eliminated lacrosse four
Yeah, from now on it's just gonna be singular limb. It's gonna be painful
I think teams had a little bit of extra time to prepare for this and looking get the matchups and looking what's gonna happen to them
But potentially in round two
It's it's looking scary because you have to go through BB team one dub team started Aurora all of these four teams
Like they got second in the group, but these teams are also top contenders to take the whole thing
I think if you're liquid or extreme you're like no, thank you
Like backwards oh and then back up or something like how can we work this?
Bracket different leak is I don't want to move forward
It's going to be tough on it's gonna be so scary for our four old team single elimination is all it's like
Yeah, there is no second chances and a lot of these teams in the past ever lied on those second chances
This is coming your way today.
So you saw that there's on the round one.
There's four series.
We split them up over two different streams.
So you're watching the stream.
Hey, there's also stream B going on.
Make sure to check that out.
But right here, you're in the right place for LGD versus MAUS
and starting the day with Liquid versus Extreme Gaming.
And well, I chose this time round.
What did you choose, Eva?
I think it's pretty obvious which series I chose
for the Sony story of the day. Come on, you can't choose.
I hope it's the second one, I hope it's the last one, it's the last one.
I'm crazy, I'm crazy, I agree, I agree.
We're on the same page here, great minds think alike.
We would have made the exact same choice, which is why we're here sitting together.
Yeah, what happened to the democracy, Sheeva?
Like, we were choosing and you were not happy with our choices?
No, no, no, this is fine, because I thought we were aligned, so I'm like, yeah.
You're in France, you're in Paris, we don't like being, you know, overall.
Like, the people don't enjoy when there's somebody making all the calls.
Just watch out.
Let's start it over.
Hey guys, there's 2 series today. Which would you like to see as the Sony story of the day?
I'd go with Liquid Extreme, Shiver.
And how about you, just to make sure that we get every opinion?
It sounds great to me, Liquid Extreme.
There we go, we've done the proper way.
I'm glad we had that turned out.
We're also going to take a look at what's happening in the Dota so far, because of course we're at the halfway point
and we have a couple of things that seemingly have been figured out a little bit in terms of heroes.
Pick some bands and we can take a look at some of the most picked heroes and see how that is updated because for example
Shadowfiend that was in this list just a couple days ago is gone
Think the the cool ones see there is the bane
I don't think so that was on a bingo bingo card should be one of the most picked heroes
Yeah, I think I mean everything makes sense
I think to me the one that makes the least sense is maybe the winner in joker's it I mean
I guess we have the winner here too, but that's definitely the feeling we've had watching the games where it didn't feel like the hero had
a lot of success. Earth Spirit, very dominant hero. Who do you think I think 58% win rate
for being the most pick is a lot? I've been in these tournaments, I'm quite familiar with
the numbers now. This is a big, big win rate. I don't know why people stopped picking. We
haven't really seen it too much on the games that we played. It has been picked a lot, but
nothing really changed for some smaller nerfs to the hero, but other than that, the hero looks
extremely good and I think like we also have to check the most ban heroes because
these are going to stick out the most like I think the one that is that has a big question mark
for me is this buck that win right is atrocious it's it's very bad it's very bad and it's been
banned a lot so yeah maybe like lingering like a read from another patch or you know another way to
play the game like from a few weeks old that's maybe outdated so perhaps this is like an adjustment
teams are going to make where they don't feel like they need to ban the puck and again like
sometimes that's the thing with Dota it's like cycles in the sense that maybe puck is as good
as it used to be but now certain heroes are you know getting higher priority, earthpit for instance
natural puck corner, good lane, built in silence so perhaps you know the cycle has now moved and
and Puck doesn't require a ban anymore.
Yeah, I think maybe that's something
that you should definitely consider.
And people only let it through when they've already
can counter it as well.
So that's another thing to factor in there.
But let's focus our attention on the first series of the day
though, because we have a lot at stake.
Team Liquid and Extreme Gaming, part of the reason
why this is the story of the day is because
for both of these teams, one of them is going to exit.
No doubt, that's the format.
But for both of these teams, exiting here
is not just, oh, that's unfortunate.
It's actually so subpar compared to what they were expecting
coming into this event, Lacoste,
because they would be eliminated bottom 16.
Yeah, this is not what you want to be.
Like it comes down to the format
and also like maybe slightly underperforming,
especially for Liquid extreme gaming.
There's still a lot on the line for them,
TI being in China in Shanghai this year.
It's a lot of pressure on this team
They've performed them being the best Chinese team as well, like Vici Gaming, they're still doing okay,
but from the Chinese, from the fans' perspective, it does feel like extreme gaming.
They are the big dogs, they are the ones that need to be able to punch back against these European squads
that they've secured, like 8 out of 8 are coming up from Europe.
So, yeah, we need that little bit of extra diversity.
We really do. I think for both teams, it's very important to take this victory, as mentioned, focusing on Team Liquid first.
This is a squad that has generally struggled a little bit in group stages
and have shown that they're a bit on the up towards the end of the group stages
and it's of course very good coming into the series.
But let's find out what Nisha had to say about it.
I think for the groups we performed okay.
I think obviously we aimed for first place and we were kind of disappointed.
had some talks, but in the end I think the better teams deserved the first spot and we're
gonna try to like throw what we've got in the play.
He's all in! He's all in! He's going back in! He's gonna get both of these kills!
I think we're gonna try to keep playing what we can practice and just kinda try to do the
play better. I think we're facing Xtreme into Spirit, which should be like a nice lineup.
I think we played some scrims, it was kind of a close and it's not like super scary but also like very good team so confidence boost if we did them.
And I think we will play Yandex which is like a favorite, or like up there in the top 4 I guess.
So yeah, we got to do what you got to do.
Survival stage is kind of scary, but I think it's kind of good as well if we like to get through it.
One loss and you're out, there's kind of like, in there.
At the same time, I was kind of happy we didn't get to the first place because I think we still need to improve a bit throughout the tournament, so we've got to like, get it done.
Nisha is already talking about facing Yandex, that's a couple of steps ahead there, going
up against Xtreme first and Xtreme is not a team to slouch on Xtreme, is a very strong
team and they have also powering up throughout this group stage and throughout the year as
well as we're going to check out their road to EWC.
Extreme gaming has been a powerhouse of Chinese Dota for many years, and they'll remain that
way to this day, with their current roster of Aame, nothing to say, XXS, FY, and Xnoba,
which was built in the last few months of 2025.
While Extreme gaming is an incredibly strong team, it would be considered by most to be
the strongest team in China by a fairly large margin, they do struggle against the top teams
on a global scale.
They snuck them out! Extreme gaming! Even with the extra lives, they have nothing on Yandex!
They have a large amount of top 5 finishes, but you'd have to go back multiple years to see big tournament wins for the team.
Their road to the Esports World Cup 2026 was more spread out than almost any other qualifying team.
With no tournament wins to speak of, the majority of their points instead came from getting top 4 in Dream League Season 27,
Train League Season 28, and even ESL One Birmingham 2026.
Will Extreme Gaming finally manage to break brief in their pattern of getting barely within reach,
but not quite making it to the end?
Tune in and find out here, E-Sports World Cup 2026.
There's so much to unpack with this best of three series coming our way,
and I actually want to start with something that Nisha touched upon said,
but he's happy that he's in the survival stage.
And this could also be the case for Extreme Gaming,
because he feels like he wants to play more.
He feels like they're still figuring it out.
How do you feel about that view on the tournament progression for a team?
I think it's always scary to sit out and have the other teams play two best of threes
and gather a lot of experience.
It's like best of threes, you're just more involved when you're part of the competition,
like you're watching the game from a close out of it,
and you just sit out and you have to watch and eventually you meet them.
especially in a single limb format where you could just get caught off guard by it because like watching and paying
It's just different like you get more more conclusions. So I understand where he's coming from
I think it makes sense that you want to get as much like playtime as possible
And anyway, you're gonna have to beat every single team here if you want to take it home
So in that sense having to face them, you know now we're having to play extra games should not be a worry
But I have to say that usually pregame interviews you don't get much from them
Or I mean, I don't know like this one really changed my mind a little bit because he seemed so confident
even though he didn't want to sound confident, but he's like,
I don't know, he didn't just like, you know, spirit just went out of the window to
he's talking about Yandex and I'm like, spirit on the way.
There is like extreme and he's saying, yeah, Yandex, they're top four.
But even though they're like, maybe he's confident because he knows it's just
going to be a smooth sailing.
And I think his gameplay definitely shows it because we've seen him being just
and he, he like showed the best performances so far from like with the
because we talked about whether it's going to be Nisha crime showing up.
maybe it's Nisha who didn't play pubs.
It was definitely Nisha Prime, especially that game on Emberspray
that he did solo carry the game against Aurora,
where everybody else was kind of like,
yeah, somebody has to do it, and he really stepped it up.
He did, and Team Liquid also has a history of, of course, doing well.
They're in a long tournament, thinking back to the before they won TI.
There was a TI where there was the last chance qualifier,
and they went all the way to the top three,
which was, of course, a lot of games in, like, a span of what?
three weeks, so they maybe thrive on this one. On the other side, it's stream gaming.
And I think also, Lacrosse for them, it might be good because relatively recent coach swap
definitely seems to have impacted them coming into this and more games than would also help.
This is still a super strong squad. It just feels like some things weren't really clicking for them.
I feel like this team can do so much more. The numbers are not showing how strong this team are,
but they have some good ideas. We talked about maybe some of the issues that they need to fix
with like how slow they played. I think this is going to be the biggest issue again coming
against Liquid who can be extremely fast team. So I want to see if this is going to be the
adjustment that they need to bring to the table. Like this is a pivotal moment for Xtreme. Like I
think you have players like FY or Army. I don't want to say it's going to be their last right,
but it could be in a sense that I think these players have thought about retired or maybe even
didn't retire and came back, which is an awful thing to do.
Yeah, who would do that?
No, no, don't try this alone.
It is very bad.
But either way, I think they don't take this for granted.
They want to get some results.
There's pressure on their shoulders in that sense.
TI is in China, so the whole Chinese scene,
and they're notoriously known for applying some sort of pressure
on their teams.
They really want the home teams to perform.
So again, this is very crucial for Xtreme.
It is for both teams crucial and we're all hoping that that extra pressure for the teams will lead to the best Dota they've played this week.
But before we get to talk more about the Dota 2, we got to get this series started properly on the stage.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the eSports World Cup Dota Edition, baby!
We are back!
We took a day off to gather our strength to bring you the greatest Dota you've ever
seen.
It's Elimination Day!
How are we all doing out there?
Oh ho ho!
We are alive and well here in Paris.
Good to see you.
How are you doing, Neal?
Honestly, it was a great day.
Yesterday, we got to relax a bit as you're saying, but something was missing.
You aren't here either practicing or getting into heavy Dota because we've had a full week
last time.
All group stage, 12 hour days minimum because we're enjoying so much of what's going on.
Big stories.
We had to say goodbye to a bunch of teams and we got to see some of their keys being crushed
and that's kind of the big thing over here.
Doors open and your opponent's hopes come crashing down and we're going to continue
doing that today because we're starting off with our survival stage.
That's right.
It's kind of in the name at that point.
It is, it is.
Today we're playing the survival bracket.
Every single game that you see will be a elimination game.
We're going to send a lot of boys home
and talk about our first two teams coming out here today.
Fun little fact from Noxville on Twitter.
The most amount of competitive games ever played
is going to be on this stage coming up.
23,000 competitive games between all these teams.
So let's get this party started.
We're gonna bring out your first team of the day.
You guys ready?
Let's hear it.
All right, ladies and gentlemen,
let's bring out Team Liquid.
Team Liquid is a team that likes to grief the group stage
so they can learn.
You can't learn unless you lose.
A lot of teams coming in here,
thinking that they can destroy.
We're gonna find out today if Liquid has learned
those lessons and they're ready to survive
against a powerful opponent.
I for one am ready to ride that wave with them.
I think they could do it.
I don't want to call it Kofi or anything else here.
We're going to leave it till the game actually starts off,
because from now on, it's all VO3s on this.
So let's welcome their opponents to the stage.
They're Extreme Gaming!
Hell yeah, brothers and sisters.
They clinched fourth in group A, and they
were up against the wall still.
That's all behind them now as they reset for this survival stage.
An important moment to decide who plays Team Spirit after this.
That's going to be crazy.
The question is always, can the Uncrowned King crush the Seahorse uprising?
Well, if there's only time, we'll tell the generals have gathered in their masses.
All right, fantastic, guys.
Well, we have one hell of a show to start things off.
Gentlemen, are you ready?
All right, we got a nod.
You ready?
Please put those keys in there, reciprocals, get to your stations, but most importantly, I want to see that handshake.
This might be a risky handshake here.
I don't know, this one will go around the most.
All here on...
Only one team will survive from this lag, so best of three to see who gets their key crushed and who moves on our panel.
Are you ready? Take it away.
on stage I would like to share some stats as well it's scary stats actually
mostly scary for extreme gaming because in the last ten times that these two
teams faced each other one head and shoulders above the rest there's been
one tie and that's nice and then there's been one series win for extreme yeah
during dream league season 29 they got that dub but other than that they
We haven't looked good, but you know what, Stats sometimes lie-sheever.
We saw it in the Nigma Galaxy series against Team Liquid, where nobody beat the Nigma Galaxy
16 or 17 times in a row, and if they can do it, I believe so, in extreme gaming.
Guys, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
You can take your stats back.
This is extreme gaming.
This is your TI finalist, where we're liquid in the last TI finals, I don't know.
So they can keep...
They can keep...
I know, I know.
Do you want to know?
All I know is like...
9.13th!
Right, so I saw Xtreme, I saw Falcons, that was the money time.
Whatever happens in the season, doesn't matter anymore.
This is a workup, this is a survival stage, this is a single limb, you have players like
Army, you have players like Fy, all of them, I could name the five players, they're here
to play and they can take now any team, so not impressed with your stat.
That's all good.
I just want to focus on the action anyway.
That's normally much more impressive and we talked about the pressure already.
I want to talk about some of the lanes that we want to see do well because I know there's been a lot of discussion
when it comes to Team Liquid regarding the outflank.
And when it comes to extreme gaming, we have seen the outflank also.
They XSS popped off, especially on a SNAP fire earlier this week, last week.
I want to focus on that again. What do we want to see? Or maybe there's something that you just really don't want to see.
I don't want to see Rubik straight away.
I feel like Rubik in current meta just doesn't feel as good.
There was one game where they opened up with Rubik on 9.
I think in this current meta, there are multiple heroes
who are much, much stronger than Rubik
and that was their downfall.
I think it was against the BB team
where they got crushed in 20 minutes.
And also maybe don't go too greedy from the off-line.
I think of the combination as well,
because NTS, he looked pretty good
in most of the games that he played,
but he was the one when they were playing
against Gamer Legion on Nature's Prophet where he was solo kind of handedly bringing the
game back in the first 20 minutes after the other two lanes they did lose.
So I want to see something more lane oriented because they will need it against Liquid.
The key of the drafts for both teams in my opinion, on one side Liquid finding their
groove with the off lane, I think with the three and the four, the pair combination,
as in the pair hero combination, how do Box C and Ace, what kind of plan do they build
themselves. I think this has been off for Liquid since the beginning of the tournament. As we were
saying earlier, like Nisha, he's been popping off, Mik is there, you know, tofu, I feel. And
they need so much from Boxy and Ace, like they're so important to their success,
the that is one thing. And on the extreme side, to me, it's mostly the support and mid hero
pairings, which I think have been very, very lackluster and has essentially disallowed them to
to play these games and at a pace that you don't want to see.
I mean, I 100% agree with the rubik.
I think, again, it's not only just rubik, there's one more.
There's Mirana, because you have to think of what are we going to see?
We're going to see Ember.
We're going to see Earth Spirit on Liquid.
These heroes are topping the meta right now.
You pick a casual Mirana and it's like you give up every single rune.
They need to find a way to enable nothing to say, I think, it's really important, because that's how Dota is playing right now.
You enable your mid laner so that he can enable the side lanes afterwards, like this is a give and take.
If he gets the runes, if he has good levels, if he has a lot to push to mid wave, then he's gonna rotate, fight for the side lanes,
and they haven't done it at all so far.
I wanna throw a hero here, you guys, this way. We saw it coming, we saw it last Wednesday, Sunday, wow.
We saw it last Wednesday. We might have actually also seen it Wednesday.
We saw it Sunday. Wow. English is so hard.
Lina. We saw Watson play it on the safe lane.
And of course we've seen it on the mid lane as well.
So, as a flex, is only Watson able to play Lina?
No. I mean, Watson is a hero specialist.
It's like if he can make the hero work, maybe not many others can,
but it does feel like a potentially good flex between one and two.
From the mid lane as well, we've seen different builds, like Spellcasting build, we've also seen GPK with the Treads, BKB,
Satanic, Daedalus, Hydra's breath type of a build, so more of a scaling build from the safe lane.
I believe we saw Mjolnir on Watson, and this hero has insanely high win rate.
It kind of fits the meta, because we're in the range meta still from the carry role,
because all of these position 5s, these melee 5s feel good to play with Lina anyway.
Yeah, I think it's a really strong hero. Actually, I don't know if you recall, but I think Xtreme was the first Lina we've seen.
I think in their first series, they picked Lina for nothing to say, and we criticized a little bit the pick because of the synergy with the supports again and with the other side laners.
So I think they lost that game and they didn't feel as good as they could have, but that's maybe a good sign that they were ahead of the pack and had the right to read on which heroes were going to be on the uprise.
Yeah, with the focus that we already want to see the nothing to say set up for success
in the emphasis we put on Nisha playing very well and having a very good tournament.
Do you want them to draft also supports that are just extra heavy on the rotation?
So earlier on the normal maybe nothing to say can get a little bit help so we can get
a leg up there.
I want them to pick their supports based on what nothing to say is going to play and
what Nisha is going to play also.
This is what I want from Extreme Gaming Supports.
I don't care about this real big versus Bane.
Like this is just a bait.
Like at this point, it's just hurting them so much.
I hope they came to that conclusion
because really this is what happened in these games.
So if they can't enable their mid laner
and also make sure that they keep Nisra in check
because we've seen what happens when he's not,
he just runs away with the game.
Then, because I actually think that X-XS and Anae
are two of the most talented side laners in the world.
Like they are so good, least two.
but they need the game to be stable and it hasn't been the case really.
X-XS, I mean, I've been a big fan of this guy for forever,
like I always put him in my top three offlaners because he has been so stable
and he can definitely be the clutch guy for the team.
Maybe Dmitra doesn't really suit him that well.
Like, he's a hero specialist as well, one certain heroes.
Maybe, again, we're going back to position four, position five,
like what they're picking and I also got to say that Ex-Noah, his hero pool hasn't really impressed me
this tournament because he only exclusively played range heroes compared to like the pairings that we've seen with the melee plus position 1 carry
that is range most of the time even though Kaori has been bringing out like some of the old classics with the warlocks
with potentially you know jikiros which did look good I feel like maybe he needs to expand his little
hero pool a little bit more just to make sure that Ami also has a slightly easier laning stage.
Yeah, 100%. And as we see the draft, you know, it's opened, we are going to get SF on Liquid,
which is something they're super happy with. This is like a liquid classic, Miki, extremely
comfortable on the hero. And Liquid is a team that strategizes in the sense that they always try to
build on top of, you know, what the hero wants and kind of set the key heroes of their draft for
success so SF is a perfect Dora hero for that you know. I bet you're happy to see the Marana
being banned so you don't have to think about her. Yes. Are you not worried about the Darkseer who
has proven to be the strongest counter to Shadowfiend? It's very very strong it's not so good in the lane
like we've seen Darkseer like 33 also going to jungle straight away making sure that he is getting
something out of the lane because lane can be a bit more difficult and they have multiple heroes
that they can pair with this darts are in the lane like if we think about the
Task King for example that's FY right there but also another one that I
would probably give maybe slightly slight priority to is potentially picking up
Spiritbreaker I think this is one of the better counters in the current meta
against Shadowfinn whenever you have a laning partner but for now it's just
gonna be Hoodlink. Just pick the highest winners heroes like you don't have to
check the numbers. Yes, easy. Check the numbers and comply so that's good. I'm
I'm looking at the liquid bands and I'm like they must have been a lot of streams going on like they're missing inside information here
Because this sinking van this Mirana van you're like what is going on because these heroes have either not been successful or not seen at all
We haven't seen the sinking on the shimei, but perhaps it was picked in some other games
So very interesting. They let the clockwork through which obviously is one of the top heroes of the tournament
Even though it's I think the win rate we were shown it earlier
It's a little bit below 50% but this is a hero that's first picked almost every game
So in that sense, it's it's only normal that it's going to be it's playing versus counters every game
Yeah, and and despite that it's maintaining like a 50% win rate, which actually is pretty impressive
And of course the niche amber like how can you skip that? That's that if you're liquid
It's pretty blind though. Like it could get countered by the only band Lena
Oscar has been banned by Xtreme, but we should expect nothing to say to pick a favorable counter.
There are certain counters, like we've seen good amount of necrophos as well,
even though teams feel like it is a counter, some teams we felt like even in interviews
after saying that it's not a bad matchup, you're gonna be losing the lane, I believe it was Nisha,
who can still play the lane, drag the creep wave into enemy triangle and get a good amount of farm.
And also you are a spirit vessel buyer, but
Potentially a pick that again can be flexed to three different roles right now not as much like you can be
two different roles because they already picked out here, but oh
I gotta say I've been very impressed by earth shaker. This could also be
That's a nothing to say classic. It could be FY, but probably not
I think I'm surprised. Yeah, I think like shaker d'Archelein is not what it used to be especially versus a cockroach 5 so
So, to me this looks like the answer to the Ember mid.
It's a good matchup for Shaker, I dare to say.
I don't know how good it is anymore, in a sense, because I think Ember is very, very
buffed and Shaker has been nerfed for a while now.
We'll have to see how it goes.
Obviously, nothing to say thinks it's good and amazing combo with Darcyr that goes without
saying.
You know, if we go back to Shaker meta, you know, Monorain, Falcons, TI, Shaker meta is
stack triangle and protect the stacks.
So that you're gonna look at that. I'm a little bit worried on the Darcy hood wing link because if they
Have a rough one if the safe lane of liquid is very strong
It might allow tofu to wander place deep ops
It might also allow Mickey to even connect and try to contest the stacks. So
The early laning execution from extreme especially on the offlane is going to be important
So that FY has space to stack and to protect the stacks. Yeah
So yeah, their support duo will be the Hoopwink and the Wyvern coming out.
We'll see how active they can be in the early stages of the game.
Yeah, it's a little bit better. I mean, I'm not a fan of the Wyvern pick in a sense.
Like, it's good against SF, but not good against Ember.
But hopefully, if Shaker has a good enough game, these three heroes are going to be strong enough to match the Ember base in the early game.
Like, again, you want to think picture in your head, you want to think of these three heroes fighting versus Ember,
which is Ember clock plus one, for the runes, for the stacks, for aggressive positions on the map.
I guess why even Hoodling Shaker does the job, what do you think that goes?
Yeah, it looks like it's quite a lot of teamfight and also the early game should be okay on paper.
I'm just wondering how much darts you're going to be able to get out of this lane because it's not an easy lane for him by any means.
And if Shaker's off to a good start, if you're the one like maybe getting a better rotation, getting the kill on Ember Spirit,
level six your supports are stacking in the meantime this could be a pretty good shaker game other than
like it has been pretty bad through dota like history you are playing against clockwork which
is super annoying for you to play against anybody aggs or is it not the builds i've seen good amount
of aggs yeah like we've seen that honored yeah we've seen shaker only two times so far in the
tournament he didn't lose yet but i mean i have to say liquid are selecting the meta heroes like i
I think some of the heroes that have been the most successful in my opinion, like Centaur,
has looked very good, very good, very good.
There's like a bunch of different builds.
I think the hero's laning presence isn't very solid.
It scales greatly into the late game.
Ember obviously, we've mentioned that, SF Clock.
These are like four of the top heroes in this tournament.
So they did their homework.
Liquid is, I guess, playoff mode.
Maybe they did choose the better win rates.
Maybe that's why Nisha was so confident in the pre-game interview.
It's like we opened the stats, we know now, we have the knowledge.
Yeah, the only question with that is are they on the meta on the right time?
Because obviously last week this was very good.
Maybe extreme gaming is one step ahead and is seeing something in the heroes that they have that maybe it's not as obvious yet.
Yeah, they'll have to showcase it. I mean, just from a hero composition, I feel like Liquid is in a pretty decent spot right now.
There's some pressure on their last pick, in my opinion, but Boxy I think has a lot of cool options.
I just want to see a nice hero pairing, basically, with Clock Ember, because this is a little bit lackluster.
You need some follow-up on Ember's aggression.
Like follow-up in terms of disable, follow-up in terms of damage?
Yeah, pretty much. All of the above.
All of the above, exactly.
Like I don't know what you're thinking for boxy, but I was thinking willow it got banned
I'm thinking maybe coddle potentially lion that can come out if they feel like they need slights the more control
I'm okay with coddle
Maybe like some more because you have like the combination
It's probably one of the best if not the best hero pairing with coddle except for pango
So it feels really nice to play you can also you also don't know the matchups
You're gonna be showing up the wave relatively easy with the center plus
He brought the light, the bottle is banned, that would be my achievement.
Yeah, what else is there? What else is there? Is Kai an option?
I mean, it's not the best, which is Darcy, but it's very good in early game against Shaker.
It's a good Ruby game.
Yeah, it's a decent one.
It wouldn't be first pick, so that surely is better than, you know...
But Clock Ember Ruby, I think they lack damage, if I'm honest.
I feel like why I'm in Brace is too strong, early game.
Like, they actually are not going to kill heroes, but I mean, we'll have to see.
They have the Stampede also to help them.
I like Sky for some reason. I feel like it's a good Sky game.
They need more magic damage in the early game.
Because again, you want to think of Centaur and SF as like, they're not going to get involved that early.
I'm talking first 10 to 15 minutes.
So again, it's going to come down to this clock ember.
Like, can they go and contest Axe?
Or are they going to let Shaker, you know, get huge?
Again, the last pick is on X-ray side.
So they will secure themselves a win condition. It's a first pick SF.
So Liquid is going to be, you know, I'm quoting that, but on a timer in a sense.
We're going to see an army hero that will win the game eventually.
So you want to be able to bring the heats to X-Trim if you're a Liquid.
And Boxy Hero has, okay, so they're actually going to clock four and watch after five.
It's a five-way clock there, interesting.
I mean, very good against the Wyvern save, because obviously Madedict and you still,
you know, keep them in place, you know, overwhelming the amount of magic damage is always good.
This hero has looked pretty good, right? It looks good. It looks very, very good,
like with the heal and do it with a bit of a newer build where you skip the cask,
you get it at level three, sometimes even level four, so you're playing off your heal and Maladik,
Maladik, there we are. And Clinkz, this hero, I've been pretty impressed with how well this hero
scales. It's another off or block hero in the lane, like we've seen in the amount of draw rangers,
Of course, like we've seen some vipers from time to time. It's very difficult to lane against these heroes
And this is this year is a bit more like deceptively tanky compared to other heroes
Especially if you have Wyvern with the fairy fire with the wand with the deathback
Not the easiest hero to kill but why clink's over a draw ranger for example. I
Think it's more active. I think this hero also sieges the high ground better with like we've seen
teams with drawrangers also struggling if you don't have Aegis to go for buildings.
Qlynx is a bit of a different type of a hero. It's also a more active hero that likes to
get involved early on and think that's the type of a hero that needed.
And much more tanky too. You think of the Liquid lineup, Ember, Cloak, Centaur, they're
going to be running at you. They will be jumping this draw trying to kill her.
Qlynx doesn't care. We've seen the Axe build too, where it's like you want to jump and
enter the fight. Be my guest. You use the Aghanim, Scepter ability and all of a sudden
They have to run away, because it's just no one running a amount of damage, so I like the Clink's pick up.
I'm trying to think, is this which DrSF, a bit of a weaker than ClockSF, is it better for Hoodwink and Darkseer?
I have the feeling that Darkseer is going to get more out of this lane, so in my opinion, kind of a good news for Xtreme that they don't have to run into the ClockSafe lane.
But at the same time, I understand you just want, for Liquid, you see this Wyvern Clink is so much for us.
It's a very toxic lane, so their plan is just going to be to be pulling waves, like Box is going to pull waves, Aces is going to chill, farm between towers,
and Box is going to do boxy things. I think we could expect him to even play through the safe lane at some point,
as soon as Aces gets his first region item for instance, then Box is just going to TP safe lane or gate and play around SF and try to bully the doors here
and fight for the stacks in the extreme gaming triangle.
So do we have an overall favorite in the in these two drafts because you guys are
saying good stuff about both types. We've got great dark sea or woodwind
lane yay we got Emberspear doing well yay. One of the better extreme drafts.
Yeah I'm gonna say I like them more I'll give them maybe like 7.5% chance
more to win this game compared to some 7.5. Yes but he's a very precise
expert like he did the math actually. We're all studio experts here. No yeah I
I mean, I agree extreme very cool draft one of the better ones. I'd give them 8.5% extra chance
I mean I did the math. I think you I think you're a miss. Yeah, I'm missing one percent, but um and liquid
Solid as usual. I mean, yeah, you went to the basis of very much a meta draft
Like this is a lineup where you see it and it makes sense
It comes together the same thing can be said for extreme gaming if you think about it
maybe a little bit more and the numbers are not yet there to back it up a
potentially extreme gaming will make those numbers go up with this game one
keep in mind this is a best of three let's see who starts this series
with a leg up a win up we're heading over to captain sg for game one
liquid versus extreme a matchup that is full of prestige and age this is a
matchup full of players that have been through
dota for years and years and years and uh well in this matchup anyway
We're going to see fresh liquid, fresh extreme,
a little bit different rosters than, say,
their peaks of winning TI and being TI finalists
in the hands of extreme.
But they've been kind of rough lately.
And now they have to go through the gauntlet
at this survival phase and to make it through the playoffs
in the first place.
Avery, they have to win this, and then they
have to go match up against Spirit after this.
That'd be a tough road to those finals for both of these squads.
Though I do think both these squads have shown
they can be one of those teams that makes the run.
They have that kind of history of, you know,
gaining a little experience, gaining a little momentum,
one series, one game at a time,
and finding their oomph in a tournament overall.
So I'm not gonna count how they do this out.
In fact, I'd probably give them the dark horse status
of the tournament from the survival stage.
And saying whatever team makes it through here
is likely to have a lot of momentum.
Yeah, if one of these makes it,
they're gonna be a strong competitor.
You just gotta get over that oomph.
So we'll see who comes out on top of this series.
excited to get a B03 after all those B02s as well because a game 3 could be very spicy.
Get a different answer of who's actually better than the team right now.
And we have a very cool Trafficking one, actually going back to the roots.
Strong team fight, team fight controlling hero for NTS, XXS with a lane counter pick and some scale.
This is kind of their archetype that has worked for them particularly in their TI run.
And then you can get like that last pick for Hama and you can kind of have his choice of whatever come for hero he wants.
he wants if he gets an option to play the Clingseed will usually play the Clingseed loves that hero
Nobody knows why but he loves it
So both teams have had to improve on some way which team do you think has done a better drop?
drafting for themselves now compared to the groups this liquid trap tells me they
They sat down they looked at what heroes were working for them which are
Converting the games to wins instead of just maybe looking good and they went that direction particularly this ember centaur
I think both Ember and Centaur have looked like S tier picks this event and they got two premier cores
And that was with the first pick Shadowfiend. Yeah, obviously yeah. Shadowfiend is gonna do Shadowfiends
But to me it's the other two cores. They got some premier picks here
I almost don't even really care what the supports play on Liquid as long as they're feeling it can make moves
I think that's when they shine. I think Liquid is a team where I don't need to see Boxy on a particular hero
I don't need to see Tophu on a particular hero. I just need to see them making moves playing fast connecting to plays
If they feel like they have those options available
9 times out of 10, they're going to convert on those in a successful manner.
They just have to be able to get that opportunity.
The panel talked about something similar in that liquid is drafting much more to the
meta for EWC, but is there, I feel like you would, if they were doing something completely
original, you would be supporting them being like, hey, they're doing their own ideas instead
of chasing the meta, right?
Like, isn't this sum of liquid, isn't it just chasing what's good right now, not necessarily
leading it?
Maybe there's some argument in that. I don't think that's the worst thing to do in an elimination match like this when you're trying to build something though
Okay, I also think maybe a lot of their own ideas just didn't work
I hear in a skirmid these things you're gonna play some series if they fail
You have to make a call do we stick with them or do we just try to move on and play more than that?
And the metal looks pretty defined right now sure so I don't mind this
I don't look at anything's like we're fixing me like why are they making this hero and particularly this niche amber
I feel like this is his best year right now in terms of the hero player meta combination overall
This is a really scary thing to give to Liquid, it can build so much momentum, it's rare he's going to lose the lane unless you really cheesepick him, and it enables their support to him, it enables the fast gameplay.
It almost doesn't matter what happens to this guy in the first 10 minutes, he's going to bring that mid-game to Liquid's way, you have to be prepared for that, and that's a big question this game won, especially for Extreme Gaming.
Do you have the tools to deal with this Ember? Because if he runs the gauntlet here, and then you have to go into that game too, and his ban priority goes up, you might not have all the bans to be able to deal with him.
him. So this is a big moment for XG in this series in terms of dealing with this hero specifically.
Do you have the staying power on the battlefield to do that? I like that shaker pick. I like
the hoodwink, low cooldown stun against him. I think they have a, might have some damage
follow up problems in the early portion of that mid game, but they do have a lot of scaling
damage here. So it looks okay.
Yeah, I feel like it's kind of weird meta to meta. Like Ember, Spirits, builds, change
so often right now it's Maxi on Flamegard that some heroes are good against one version
and not the others.
Nisha is gonna be ganked up,
so not only do they counterpick him with the Earthshaker
to get a lane-winning matchup,
but now they're also moving bull supports
to shut down this Ember spirit.
I mean, I like it.
As you said, seeing these Ember spirits just pop the hell off.
It is definitely one of the heroes of the tournament.
So anything that you can do to keep it down,
I'm all for.
That's some serious hate.
Nice timing though.
The form at Warwood, he's still level four.
You only have two points in the flame guard
instead of potentially three.
So when he's a little more susceptible
to these early nukes,
I like their rotation, actually.
Well, so what were you really doing in the side lane?
Ternach could probably go to beat this SF Witch Doctor lane,
and the other lane Centaur has already picked up his Helm of Fire and Will,
so it's about that time where Ace is going to be free farming.
So, honestly, your best detention is going to be to that mid lane.
Darkseer is just going to be jungling away at this point.
X-X-S knows that he can't really play into the SF Witch Doctor, especially Solo.
The Centaur can die down here if you want to bring the midwink,
as look we're gonna try and leave ace alone.
Earlier.
Moxie romaning them to try and get something done.
Got the bush whack on him.
Cogs pushing back nothing to say.
Ooh, and he hit the stun on Esha.
Max range and it gets the kill as a result.
Esha dead again.
That's a rough death.
Still had only two points in the flamethrower trying to hold.
He got the skill point at the end, so.
He kind of dies similar way twice to the shaker counterpick.
And now you're gonna be level six on NTS.
Way before the Ember you have the chance to just all in with an echo slam here
We'll see if that actually bring more numbers and look for the third kill in the Ember in this early game
Yeah, what do you do if you could like Ember spirit isn't gonna go jungle right to get his level six
So you kind of have to put yourself out there to potentially get all in to get and he has to keep you back into the lane
She's right very scared right now about this all in potential and we see liquid bringing both supports towards the six minute power
Again, this is a lot of committal, and you get the right rune here for nothing to say,
something like a haste rune or something, this could be dangerous.
Foxy will protect it with the clogs, the other side, it'll be an amp damage.
Or sorry, Foxy grabs the amp damage.
Could have been a big rune for both of these guys, not the early game, but at least you
take it away from NTS, still wary of the three points in the aftershock with the echo slam
all in in the amber here if the shield's down.
Tofu, making a little jump there into the enemy triangle, seeing if they got too many stacks going on here.
Always worry about that injection for the Urshaka. There's an echo.
Nisha is not going to die. In fact, nothing to say had that read a little off, but maybe they could still chase him down here.
Vex Nova or Bushwax, like dodge on the Bushwax. The stun doesn't land either.
Misha still making a run for it. He has a fairy fire, gets up to the high ground, can bottle hit.
Stampede goes off and nothing to say. Well, he could fish here, but it's too late.
The bottle heal has already gone off. Meanwhile, the Stampede extra movement speed
chase away XXS from that top lane. They are going to put all this attention on the Ember spirit.
Nikkei is doing a good job of putting pressure elsewhere, almost taking this off-lane tower
already and securing the Wisdom Shrine. That's a huge win for Liquid. They keep the Ember alive,
Echo on cooldown, win wisdom shrines. Just a miscommunication there from XG. Like that should
not be a kill they lose with those supports heading to mid, but they're late to the party
when the Echo goes out. And then you get dragged in that committal. You're not fighting wisdom
shrines against a weaker enemy mid. And now you lose your tier one off lane. Really strange sequence
for Tring Gaming today. They were stronger on the map and they lost every objective in that time
period. It's just one of those clear mix of incentives, right? The support. They want
there wisdom shrine they think oh we got to protect that nothing you say it's
like I want to kill me show again let's kill this guy I think his call was the
correct one I think it's okay to give up the shrine you get another ember kill
but you needed to get two out of those three objectives not zero out of three
right I think liquid were kind of like let's try and get something here they
don't get here all that's great for them look at this move from army if fish
are actually blocking them away but I'm a you kind of wants them to be here said
I made this rotation this this power room is supposed to be a bait for me, but
Can definitely see the adjustment from a stream gaming in terms of prioritizing the mid lane fighting for the runes
Not just throwing NTS in the walls this that was a huge deal in some of their other series
Oh, yeah, it's like puck game nothing to say. That was nothing in that one
So this is gonna boat a lot better for them over the course of the series just this macro adjustment
It does mean our supports are gonna be very low level on both sides even with
Double Wisdoms being picked up for Liquid.
Boxy is level 3.
Gave all that solo XP to the Centaur.
Pay off for Ace. He is fairly farmed.
Level 7.5. Hell, done.
He's cruising here.
There's another Echo for the Big Ancient Stack.
Push on DS.
Close to that Blink Dagger. It's about 200 off.
I mean, it wasn't a super stack.
No, it's just because there was so much play in this triangle,
they couldn't really stack it multiple times.
We even saw a high ground warp being placed by Fy to try and protect this area.
And the biggest story here is Micae, an absolute free farm, first big shadow feeding, empty lane up top.
Havy last hits, he is pretty damn fat here.
If he gets involved in this early game at all, which might be a possibility with Stampede, the Ember going in first,
he can absolutely join a lot of these fights.
They don't have a great answer for him here in the early game.
You're kind of looking to scale into this SF with some of the Darkseer wall illusions, the Clink's late game.
game, maybe Wyvernland's a curse but this spell is not too reliable nowadays, I would
like to see Mika get involved in some of these early kills. If Liquid can set up the
fights and he can be the last man joining them, he should clean house.
Aume's got an interesting build. I know there's probably only five other Clanks players out
there in the world that care about this but there's been this weird like what do you build
early on as Clanks do you build? The Falcon Blade do you build? A Soul Ring Aume was a
Big proponent to Solring a couple months ago, but he's actually just gone double stages masked no item at all
Just double stages masked and rush the Deso
The poor man's soaring something I'd say very much so
Sage mask probably the most efficient manner region in the game the one you don't mind selling back the most so
And they can get enough sustain out as I don't mind this build up
We'd like to also see him get involved in this game right when that Dessau comes out.
I don't like the Aumei Clink's games where he gets Dessau and he's just in the jungle
for another 10 minutes.
Yeah.
We've definitely seen Clink's prioritized agatom scepter, so it does feel like we're
trying to utilize Clink's a bit more teamfight.
And there is so much teamfight on extreme gaming.
Vacuum Echo Slam is going to be brutal for Liquid if they don't play teamfights correctly.
Look at this bottom lane push, Ami's gonna take this tower.
And Liquid don't even try and put up a fight for it.
And today, whatever, we just farm.
Any case what's trying to stand there, maybe just worried about where this shaker is off
the map.
NTS was in jungle for a while there.
And especially since he's got a lot of unreliable gold, as he almost has the Ring of Tarras
complete.
So...
You can see it a little bit here.
Make sure you get that next round of items.
just looking at this network chart. Nisha is not getting a lot here man. He can't stand mid. He's
not getting a lot of the jungle priority. He hasn't earned with no charges and now he's getting
hunted. Hunted by Aame. Which is awkward because all the attention seems to be on the clockwork
right now and now he's surrounded by three heroes but they've already used their stuns from the
earth shaker so Aame's just like again like I've made a rotation guys. I'm slowing down my desotiming
but like nobody's really working with me here. Okay they just blink echo on Nisha but again no
Where is the coordination? Extreme gaming. They gotta wake up. Maybe I'll make him kill Boxy.
And maybe he can't even get Boxy. Boxy gets around the tree and out of sight.
If Nisha ends up getting a kill out of the sequence, I won't be able to say that.
This is just ridiculous at this point. Okay, they do manage to stop Tofu from getting that kill.
Maybe Nisha still cleans it up though. Flameguard to run him down with the shield run underneath tower.
Aami tries to stop him, but Samki makes it easy. No! Aami's gonna die. Triple raise. Double kill for Nisha.
Extreme gaming, I mean, I don't even know what to say about this one.
We talked about these teams not being in the best form, but this is the worst that Extreme has looked this tournament.
I don't know what that sequence was from them.
If anything, I thought you were just Echo and Nisha when he runs down the hill.
I think there was a solid chance he died. There was no hookshot or anything.
Then you wait till everyone's out of range and then you go in.
Two of these Echo slams just coordinated to zero percentage here.
I also wonder, is this the shaker build for the game?
He's maxing Fissure over the Enchant Totem.
I think he just kills the Ember there straight up
if he has three points in the Totem.
Oh yeah, that is very weird.
I don't like this build on the mid Ember at all,
especially when you have Eye on Shell
for some extra magic damage anyway.
Yeah.
You want this core Totem maxed.
You're gonna do so much damage,
particularly this Ember, with the overwhelming physical burst.
It's hard to deal with.
So I think you just missed opportunities here for XG.
Still in an okay position, this Ember's still suffering,
but that was a big recovery for Nisha.
Well, the early towers are going down.
Nice combo.
Fisher, Bushwack, and the finishing touch there,
the sharpshooter.
Now, extreme gaming are getting some coordination.
We'll see if the miss kills come back
to bite him in this game.
If December manages to recover a little bit more here.
There's also a great fight for Mickey.
That's the exact type of thing
you want to see out of him in this game.
SF joining the tail into these exchanges
and just triple raise someone to death.
Big golden ejection for him.
He's still running away with this game right now
in prime position to steal the mid game with some momentum.
All right, let's talk about Centaur.
Centaur, what is this hero now?
Because Ace, who is a very big Centaur player,
he is starting to go this build where he just rushes part.
Is this hero no longer an initiator?
Is it just like an offlane former?
Are we gonna see 33 playing?
I feel like this is a 33 build, if I'm not even sure.
This is the farming scaling center building.
If you want to have impact after 40 minutes, this is what you do.
You're going to farm the fastest, you're going to be super high net worth, you're going to be a presence in the map.
It's also not too bad in the teamfights either.
Makes your spells do a little more damage whenever you get that shard.
You feel really good about scaling up as well.
You just absorb a lot of spells, you just stampede in.
That's often more useful than I blink stun some dude for, you know, 1.7 seconds or whatever.
It's 2.2, but you know
Scaled for level
Yeah, level one's 1.6 1.8. Oh, I see what's a pretty bad stuff
You have to put a bunch of points into it. It has a bad cast animation your damage faults are relevant. I
prefer this bill
Look out for these can't complain about that no I certainly can't because
because Nisha may not be having the best game, he is way behind in that worth compared to all the cores in the game,
is certainly being made up by these two side laners.
And I think Nisha, no doubt he understands that, he has to play with his two supports and try and make things happen.
He's got two heroes that are going to farm, farm, farm.
And, I mean, probably eventually win the game if they're able to free farm like this, right?
Not sure there's still that much better at all.
Wyburn Darksheet is going to scale really well in this game against the SF.
I mean, I guess I'm just thinking, isn't the one-two punch of Centaur SF?
We've seen this so many times. The cart SF.
I feel like that's one of the most indomitable tools in the meta right now.
Sounds like here's the shaker here.
It's like, Chains, FY, trying to sharpshooter his way out of there,
but unfortunately does not get up to the high ground. Finally, the hits come in to finish the kill.
Now, is Liquid able to do anything with this?
Because there's plenty of extreme members here,
and I think no doubt they would defend their mid tower
if a push came their way.
So yeah, Liquid just break up and go farm again.
You need to be really careful forcing fights
into XG if they're subtle,
because you're going to get long or combo it on the return.
And it's going to be quite nasty.
Or if you get cursed, if you get vacuumed
into any of the shaker spells, the fight is pretty much over.
Your only disruption in that sense is the clockwork.
I think boxes roll for Liquid.
Has an initiator in-counter initiator? Super important here.
He needs to get in there and disrupt the combo from XG.
That means either finding Shaker at the start of the play
or just jumping in, placing a cogs,
which makes it hard to get this nice vacuum echo combo going.
He can be really disruptive here.
Probably annoying hero to play into for the 16-play lineup.
What a stack of three-man hook shot stun.
They try and hit a requiem off of it a little bit
and nailed the raise followed up.
Okay, they do actually put together the damage.
Mickey, pretty good read of that situation
to Requiem from so far away to chain the stuns there.
And then four-staffed himself forward
to get in range of the raise.
Nice vacuum wall, but unfortunately it's on a Centaur,
not an SF, so, I think he's gonna be perfectly fine.
He's gonna tee me away.
And that gives him an excuse to go farm some more.
Exactly.
Put that heart to use.
Yep.
The other thing about this heart is you can push waves.
Lace is not afraid to shove out this bottom, huh?
He would love to go on him here.
He just don't do enough damage.
Yeah.
What a hookshot fight.
Three-man hookshot.
Yeah, you don't see that very often.
Pretty nasty stuff.
You already have four-staff Kaiyash on Mikkei.
He's ready to join these fights and get it quick.
Requiem's off.
More recovery for the Ember spirit.
That is the story here, right?
Two more kills going in Nisha's pocket.
So bonus gold, some more vessel charges.
Quite happy about that one.
And that comes from that early offlane tower
that they took in the lane war.
That got played for sure. For the result of that, that sets all that up, gives Boxy full information.
And they're going straight back to it.
Should be another kill on X-XS, unless he can make something.
Nice little title card, get him inside the cogs.
And hookshot, just to make sure he can't escape.
Got a little sentar too?
Yeah, that's right, an extra round to gold.
Cogwork is gonna be an issue in this game, for X-Treme.
I think Steril's an issue every game, but particularly this one.
Their cores do not react well to getting hookshot battery caught.
There's just not really a counter play.
These heroes don't really want to buy 4-staff either.
You're probably just looking at BTBs.
Even if you're stuck in cogs with this lineup, I feel like it debilitates a lot of your teamfight
coordination as well.
I will say, I think the upside for them is that while that does debilitate them and everything,
I think if they just kill the SF on the initiation, then all that muck afterwards doesn't really matter too much.
I don't think you're ever going to be able to initiate on this game.
The only time you're going to see Mikkei is the first point of contact in the fight, is if he has Aegis.
In which case, he's kind of annoying to kill because you're going to have to commit some of your big AoE spells on a single target.
That never feels that great. Maybe you can burst him down with the clinks if he gets enough overwhelming damage.
But that's a long way away.
Clink's does scale very hard, but he kind of needs to get over the mid game, huh?
At that point, I think the fight will become easier, but for now I think it's just liquid-favorite.
Man, this SF is looking like a big problem.
I already heard gameplay done.
If they could put an Aegis on Mika, it would be huge in this game.
Not fine to get their smoke breaks in extreme gaming to not catch Ace,
which would have been a tough hero to get anyway.
This was also a play call that they made where they were pulling Aumann.
pulling on it across the map to join them because he still doesn't have any
deso charges yet. Very slow game for this item in particular. You need something
to get going here. Again, the double sobie mask is supposed to be for him to
get a faster deso, and it hasn't paid off at all. Well, there's a charge. He finally
gets a charge. Foxy will sacrifice himself to deny that illusion run. I don't
think an illusion run is that important, but he denied it, you know, he got him.
Maybe not expecting XG to all be campin' at there.
Sure, sure.
As Roche come in top, XG probably is gonna force the objective.
Having issues getting the teamfight they want, well, make Liquid come into you.
Well, this is gonna be still very awkward because there is some very good high ground vision.
Playoff of if you're Liquid.
Who goes in?
I guess you can send the Centaur?
He's just not that much of a damage start right now.
So you can't ignore him a little bit if you're XG.
They're gonna smoke, they're gonna stop the Roshan, look for the kill.
Do they have the damage to kill Centaur? They do.
Push, whack, pull, and the main requiem goes down.
Try to force-sap him away, it doesn't work.
Now the vacuum back-end pulls in Tofu, does not get the nap onto Mikkei.
So, good reek from Extreme Gaming.
Trusting that they had enough to be able to kill that big tanky off-laner,
and now the opening to take Roshan.
He doesn't have that much armor yet.
It was a heads-up medallion by Almey, so you're melting, you know,
six armor off the deso another four or no seven no four sorry so yeah what do you
think of his armor basically turning all the physical and the pure damage there
before he has a she was or anything up it feels a little silly to go hardbox
he's really trying for a hook shot skill it's not gonna happen
uh nisha
just has to build a heart but not builds like even just a basic plate now
Afterwards he went for the blink dagger. Oh, he's dying the play now. Yeah, of course. So good. He's gonna go the armor eventually
I'm saying what do you think about him going for the blink dagger in the first place it feels
Awkward next
Depends on if you thought you were able to get that smoke jump into a team fight
Enable the SF and then get Roche yourself. I think that was probably the game plan here for liquid
They just got caught off guard and beat to the punch
Maybe underestimating the the timings here for the clink's relative to the SF
He's not that far behind
Thought as if Aume has had a slow farm game. You just hadn't found that many kills around the map
Well now Aume can be super aggressive with an Aegis and an Orchid
And pick up on Tofu here nice and easy
These types of kills are big for Clink so honestly
You've gained so much momentum in the game the extra levels are super nice
You gave map control you make parts of the map scarier for these liquid supports to run into it's a big deal
It would have been all the sweeter though if he had caught the Ember Spirit
Oh, sure, yeah. Beggars can't be choosers.
Revealing that Orchid, Nisha's gonna have to play a lot more careful around the map,
knowing that Clinkz has this silence, he doesn't have a tool to deal with him for quite some time.
They're going nothing to say here now, nothing to say has a shield rune,
and he will be able to blink away because of that, they almost got through the shield rune in time,
and if they did, he would have died. That was a little, little spooky.
MTS floating with danger.
See, they're just coming for the Tier 2 push top.
This is a fight Liquid could take.
They don't have Hookshot, so missing that kill mid is probably going to cost them this
objective fight.
Yeah.
I'm actually back off again.
They've been extremely concerned about these objective plays.
I'm going to go for it and just take the fights.
Gate to Tormentor.
Yeah, I guess so.
Better objective, safer objective.
Yeah, get them to go top and then you know that Tormentor is free to take, especially since there's no off-link tier one.
They have two shards already, so should go to one of the sub-points, yep.
Not the greatest shard anymore.
Yeah, that one's, uh...
Not amazing, gets a cooldown though.
Kinda nice.
Well, how much are you using Cold Embrace in this game?
It's not the worst Cold Embrace game I will say.
It's also not the best.
No, but I think it's very hard to get a game where you look at the spell and it's pre-used.
Showcase. Like, this is honestly as...
You can maybe block some of the physical damage coming out from this SF.
It's okay against Sentharn if you're stalling, but...
Yeah, pretty mediocre.
Yeah, I feel like as the game goes on, Sentharn's like,
Oh, that's a hero with my shard. I just double-edged over and over again.
Here's what happens.
And I'm gonna build a whole lot of strength off of it.
Actually, looking solid right now, Liquid's gonna smoke trying to make a move.
And damage does give them clearance to take a 5 vs 6, even the extra life may not be enough
to contest nant damage.
They do have the PKB up Nikkei, that's a big time in here.
Not a lot of PKB control for Extreme Damian, it's a huge item in this SF Darkseer matchup.
A long smoke wraparound, but Extreme seemed very well, they do hit the hookshot onto the
Tiger on the next nobo, but Aame, what a vacuum!
And the curse goes off as well!
Ace jumps over to the side, trying to stop Ace here.
And how did he not kill anybody in this mess of spells?
Finally, the Witch Doctor goes down,
but Aame has lost his Aegis,
and Ace is gonna set up on him,
making it ready to go.
He's gonna pop the BKB,
Recrame, point blank, and kill Aame a second time.
How do you hit a combo like that?
Was the curse grieved?
The curse was fine because it should set up for the shaker,
but Boxie disrupted the shaker on the backside of the fight,
You can't get in there and stun them all and create space for the clinks if the chains on nothing saying Mickey did manage to reset now
He's got a hurricane bank back up in a place
So it was toy new scene maybe he could join his team again, but
Yeah, they call it quits here. They want to make sure he skids out though
Hey, take a lot of damage to commit the echo Sam and finish them off and Mickey almost died in the back lines there
They hit him with a fish or hit it with a guy boy. Oh
What a dodge Mickey with the heads up
Up!
A little move there that keeps them alive.
Nothing to say is still looking at these low health heroes.
Well, nothing is...
Okay, yeah, he just kills Topher like that, now pops BKB, and he shall right in the middle
of all these low health supports, but big bad nothing to say is trying to finish him off
with the Enchantonimus and gets the job done.
Who cares if Ex-Nobah dies?
Now they grab yet another hero!
Foxy, pulled back him by a vacuum, and Link ain't just...
Link bleeding out here.
They lost both supports twice, as that fight gets extended so long.
And that was with Aamik doing effectively nothing. Like, he deals some damage here at the start of the fight, but he didn't get anything done with the two lives.
Just all the shaker with the darts here, support, cleaning house.
If you don't kill Hoodwink, she wins these longfights. You get, like, four or five bushwax on. That's the game.
So you get the hookshot here, you disrupt the wyvern, and then Boxy, he's gonna run down, and he's just gonna nap the shaker as he comes in, so you can't get in here for that echo.
There's just not any damage going on to Liquid in this curse. It's a teamfight setup spell in this game.
Couldn't utilize it at the end. Little unfortunate for how good it looked.
Liquid still pay a big price though. Nikkei takes a lot of damage here. You lose the supports. You have to reset.
I mean, imagine Nikkei dies off of that.
Cool. I mean, that's, what, 7 for 1 if he dies there?
Yeah, exactly.
Still ends up being effectively a 6 for 1. Pretty brutal for Liquid.
Showing you the power of Shaker in this game. He's real strong.
He's constant in-chain totem hits. I mean Ember Spirit doesn't really match that damage right now.
And nothing to say is well on his way to our fresher off of that.
This is where I love the cooldown synergy for XG. Like, I think heroes like Fiddling can shape or distort superworld together.
Oh, what up? Oh, alright. That's fine.
Let's also see if my ace can continue to find some team net worth here in terms of like a crimson or pipe or something.
What do you think he's going with this plate now? Is it Chivas? Is it a good Lotus game?
It's either Lotus or Chivas. Lotus is not doing anything for a year.
Yeah, it's not so. It might just be a casual one for now. I could see him going into a pipe or crimson before he finishes his plate mail into anything.
Okay, you're really big on the crimson. You don't think
Agam scepter is worth investing in too early
Isn't there really only one here? You're looking to keep alive in this fight. That's the SF
I don't like the axe as much as pipe. I think pipe is better here against that. She's team fight. Okay, especially in this big game
They do have some plenty of a we stun
So it's not gonna be the easiest to get in there to save the SF chances of you getting hit by a
The Fisher Ego Slam Vacuum Bushwack Winner's Curse. Let's go zone
It's tough. I also think you have to rely on Mickey's BKB a little bit in this game
Like he has to be able to get in there hitting this BKB use it
Other stuff is happening other heroes are getting disabled or controlled by the clockwork in the ember
You have backline jump in this line of okay, but what if he went his patented double heart?
I was looking at he's not he's not gonna do that. There's no way this is not not the position, right?
This is not the game for it in my mind. He bought out the reaver
He's doing it. He's doing it. I so ace is the originator of this build shout-out to Knox over this one
Apparently he is the the person to do this build the most he was also the first person to do it all the way back in 2014
You're very take you are no deny that
What's better than one heart two hearts, I guess I just can
Make a
He gets away with the four staff initially, extreme gaming, and he's going to keep chasing.
Awkward position for them.
No shot on nothing to say. He's got the BKB, doesn't want to have to use it early here.
Fischer goes out and does manage to get the blank wing. No damage done.
Axe XS just keeping some of these heroes back.
Nisha, making sure to threaten, doesn't actually jump in, throws out the remnant.
He needs to get to the winter wyvern and hoodwink first thing every fight.
You want to find the FG backline, but you don't want to overextend right too far away from your damage to do it
You can end up in these situations where the rest of the line up that's charging in trying to take advantage of the backline jump
Just gets combo or killed by clinks
Speaking of the clinks with his shard soon to be level 20 and a Daedalus on the way scale a lot of damage
Starting to become a massive threat
These low armor heroes, particularly his liquid supports, they don't have a-
I guess you have a ghost scepter on tofu?
That's about it though, worried for Boksy going into these fights.
You might find that hookshot and then just get instantly ripped apart.
Yeah, Boksy's also gonna buy a ghost scepter.
You need to hear.
See if Almyn goes to the null fire, or he just doesn't care and tries to take down some bigger targets.
Well, I guess I'm just gonna like double heart you go in it like don't
extreme talk about this and just say whatever you do don't go on the center
they can't yeah like we'll say they do hit the center it is a lot of damage
they're taking from retaliate that is for sure we can get out of town that's
true there's a break in this game another reason I like it a little less
here does have the armor now though I mean if they do let him complete out
this builds right where he gets the shard maybe get she was it can become
oppressive it's basically a damage test if you ignore him and he has the shard
and he starts getting four or five double edges off the build comes online if
he gets controlled or the rest of his team dies too quickly this build doesn't
Pay off. A little bit of the gamble on a game like this.
Smoking from Liquid.
It's trying to take A here.
Fights off of Rosh.
Spotted him for the same.
Two man to get that into Sheen.
Trying to take it, but a four-staff got him away from the top and now they're back.
You must counter play.
Big hit from XXS, the kills one.
Meanwhile, you have Nisha committing his entire BKB,
trying to finish off the winnable. Why are the echoes there? Push whack him.
The BKB expires as they finish up the winner Wyvern kill.
I thought he popped it there, but it was already running.
Great snag from Extreme Gaming. That actually is just not gonna be an easy fight.
Like, there's no way about it. Going into an XG high ground this game seems almost impossible with how many heroes can turn that initial go around.
Oh my god, Purple and Black Wraith! He got nothing to say! Just standing! Wait, wait, wait! He got the miss?
He find the kids that killed, but he had to commit heavily for it. Now it's time for their turn around, though!
And oh, hoodwink gets a couple of scurry dodges, finally goes down, and with their death requiem, they do kill Ame off of this one.
I mean, even the whole team might not be able to fight up against this Centaur.
Definitely nothing you're doing against Ace in that situation. What a play from midday.
Why did nothing to say?
I think you just wanted to scout the high ground to stop any sort of contest coming through.
I guess so.
Just walk straight into 2300 damage coming out from that SF.
I mean, it couldn't be more picture perfect for Mickey outside of the awkward way to finish nothing to say.
I had to commit the 4-staff BKB down to low ground and misses a shot on FY.
Slowest his damage down considerably, but in the end it works.
I get the moosh here. Ace is choking it down right now.
I'm doing myself.
Now he's got a shard. He didn't have it.
You got to contest yourself for that. You can't let Liquid take it, Rochon, without the Shadowfist.
Wall's back up. Wall's back up. XXS, quick get something good here. Gets the Sheevis vacuum, pull him out of the pit.
Rochon slow. They make the commitment. XXS tries to steal Venetia. It's too fast.
XXS now trying to run away, but a beautiful death ward set up by Tofu. Too late on that fissure to bail out your off laner.
Nothing to say might die for it as well. They're gonna jump after both him and FY. They want to collect all the kills here
FY pushing back with the psychic headband not good enough nothing to say being run down activate to be Katie Echo
Sam turn around kill Sneesha takes away the ages
But he gets attacked by damage good winners curse more damage coming in. No, nothing to say is able to blink away
He's good for now
Slight bit of recovery still terrible for extreme
Oh, yeah, but at least they get that a just enough to say doesn't die
That was liquid making something out of nothing there. That should have been
Roshan going XG's way. Put in an aegis on this clink. That is a aegis that can
potentially go high ground. And now you're left learning like, what the hell
just happened in this fight? How did it go so wrong? And now, this Synthar builds...
It's coming alive a little bit. He did some solid work there. Look at that DPS-8600.
Yeah, I feel like this little window where he doesn't have shard is like
kind of awkward. But now every item after this is gonna be heavy, heavy, heavy impact.
The shard is incredibly good now when he gets overwhelming blank. It's it's a nuke that is going off all these scales in
He absolutely scales this game. There's no doubt about that
It's just don't it's all things you don't have the shard for that fight going high ground
You lose that fight if you lose Roche there this builds gonna look a lot worse
But now that you salvaged it you took ages away from action
You have a lot more time to farm and scale up here pushing toward 25 talent as well. I
Think you got over that rough patch. Yeah, he gets the retaliate aura
I mean, that's one of the things. Klingstad doesn't very naturally build light steel early on.
He's so reliant on his death pack, so then
constant bit of damage for every hero that he hits is not gonna feel good.
He's trying to build up a BKB right now on Ahmed, then go back for the Bloodthorn.
Definitely needs at least another survivability item in this game. I don't think you can itemize pure damage here in your Ahmed.
Wyburn can only bail you out of so much.
Nothing to say, he didn't go to the refresher, he got an opt to rein for just more spam of these spells, but now he will try and build a refresher.
There I mean, there is still, no matter how far ahead Liquid gets though, and they're obviously only just now getting a net worthly, very small one.
They stream gaming pretty much always at the potential to put him in the dirt.
I like their timing right now though, they hit 25 on Nikkei, first 25 in this game that
is a beast of a talent there with the Shadow Race Plus attack damage.
He's got so much DPS in the fight, Flick would consider it up for him.
Nice pick off here, extreme gaming setting up on high grounds, Boxy trying to clear the
way.
And now with the numbers advantage they push out, Boxy has been a huge hindrance to their
initiation to their team fight.
So, him being out of the equation is actually pretty big, and I'll get the additional kill
on Tofu.
Another minor actor down, but Liquid's still up with all their cores.
Support Solidarity.
Yes.
Where one go, all go.
Sorry.
Yeah, I hate to say it all, still.
I don't think you do, but go ahead.
No, I really hate it.
You don't know what I'm saying.
I really hate it, but I think this clockwork needs shard right now.
If there ever a game needs jetpack, I think this is the jetpacking because I think you just have to be as
Disruptive as possible. Absolutely being able to like blink in cogs fly away quickly reset get another round to disrupt this falls off
It almost sounds like it's not one of the worst shards in the game. I mean, I'm being grabbed
I'm being convinced. You know what can this be some of those crit games? He made it look really good. Okay, okay?
So me and Insania telling you that Jetpack is amazing, made no impact whatsoever, but
Crit!
Crit!
Yeah, he's slowly converting me.
Okay.
I'm a semi-believer.
Alright Falcons, just keep drafting Clunkward for me.
Eventually Avery will see the light.
Basically, I'm saying I think if Boxie can get in around the spells, survive, and get
a dollar, fight some beautiful vacuum initiation, that's going to be them all dead, baby.
Aces gonna take a lot of damage, but he still managed to stampede some distance away.
He's got the Orca that's gonna take a little bit more, and a blink, not quite up.
Hits him with another Fischer. They've got him. They've got a bit of control.
They've got a bit of damage. You know, the Bushwhack lands, I mean, there's just constant follow-up from this team.
With the Octurine on Earthshaker.
Once you're in, there's not much of a way out, unless you got a BKB.
These vacuums are nasty, man. You cannot get caught in them, this game.
Especially with the massive AoE on this spell now, I can go back to it every time.
The fact that it has a 75 talent, the fact you're always going to get another 75 from
Shivas, the AoE on these vacuums, it's broken.
It's way too broken.
So you pretty much have to start fights on your terms if you're liquid.
If you just get caught out, it's a tough deal.
And that's not even bursting the center.
He lives through it.
You're not going to be able to turn that again if you give it your other cores or there.
The power of this teamfight combo lineup, and there's an axe for the dark sea, or X-XS
gets to complete this item off the back of that.
Another big threat for this SF, that's the extra scale you want in this matchup.
XG, they're getting to the late game items here.
You have that 25 timing on Mckay, and you haven't been able to use it for anything yet.
Feels a little sad for him.
I mean, you go in there, you triple race someone with this Daedalus, they're probably just
gone.
But the tankier a true game to get, the harder it's going to be to find these little connections.
BKB, done for all me.
Pendulum online, he's a tanky boy now.
Yeah, I was gonna say, we talk about the tank, then Pendulum, a tier 4 item.
There are two tier 4 items that are so clearly broken.
And it's Pendulum, and it's the other one that Darkseer has, Conjurer's Catalyst.
We'll see if Earthshaker did not get it.
Well hold on now, you gotta keep Bobble in the conversation, that's not...
Yeah, Bobble got nerfed a little bit.
But did he get there on the right?
Also, I don't think anything's broken if it takes you extending the game for another
hour.
Oh, yeah, that's probably true.
Be careful there, Liquid.
You never know when X-X-S is going to jump in with his Giga Vacuum, potentially a double
Echo Slime.
Now you have to respect their refresher on it.
They have to go apply, hit the Sheebas, try to fight these heroes.
doesn't really see the vacuum opportunity, holds it for now.
Centaur goes in, Ace, Aame, he's got a back away.
Ooh, that's taken a lot of damage.
So hit it with the hookshot from behind.
Where did Bossy come from?
Can he get inside the Cogs 2?
Up in one more second.
He's sticking on top of it before his staff separates Aame.
Nikkei got the inside of the wall,
and he's trying to deal with his own illusion.
He'll clear it out.
No problem, he got that done.
Ex Nova, he'll be run down by Nisha.
And Ace, it's still on top of Aame.
Aame has no way out.
He's dead as well.
The mobility of this lineup, between Ace just being a wrecking ball that runs into Extreme and Nisha, playing the outskirts,
constantly able to catch up with this agatomceptor, they just do not let Ami escape.
So close for an extra kill. But either way, they got the big kill.
Ami is out of here, which means all the damage is gone from Extreme gaming, and they could take some objectives.
Just can't stand their ground. Once the teamfight starts to collapse, Lick would do an amazing job not clumping anywhere.
anywhere. There was no clear vacuum combo at any point in that fight and that is
the exact type of fight they want to. At the end we're going in deep with the
axe. They want Centaur running at somebody else. Clockwork is disrupting.
Great positioning from Box. You did so much work to bait the initial go. Reset.
Find another initiation on the clink since you're trying to retreat.
Micae just gets to lay in some damage. That's the type of formation you want
here if you're liquid. Multiple points of attack. A lot of chaos. Not a single
Target for XG to kind of okay. We're gonna go on this guy and bait liquid in look look at a cease position himself to chip away
These tier fours saying you know you guys know there's another fight like this. We might go through
X6 Echo slam off the vacuum
Mickey is gone. That's a refresher. Yeah a combo from extreme
They didn't need on me at all they can take that center down in the winners curse stop in two teepees to collect two more kills
You cannot mess with the positioning here. Extreme gaming have one of the deadliest team fight combos in the game, and they put it together without their carry to stop the assault on their base.
Their barracks both go down to nothing, but stay alive.
Sick execution there. No BKBs go off, no way to bail you out of this situation. It was perfectly timed.
Do you have BKB Satanic on Mickey? He's probably thinking there's no way I die here
Unless Earthshaker has some other plans you can get the two-man curse on the back side
Beautiful ex-future from extreme gaming. The fights have gone better when I was dead. No way around it. Like and part of it
I think is liquid
They're a little asleep at the wheel. All right
The hook shot to stop was it up if so like or if not like should you be making that push in the first place?
I just think you have to instantly be ready for that blinkin.
Almost got it.
Nisha there, one lane of Barracks, turns to two.
You lost heroes, he didn't have buybacks and Aume came up shortly after they won that fight.
I mean, it's the perfect opportunity.
Clink's is gonna take two lanes of Barracks.
He'll probably back up after that because Roshan has the potential to be up.
Boxie pulled the mid wave.
He'll kick back Thorey no matter what.
What a teamfight went for them though.
This game was starting to look scary with how fat this shadow theme is, but now you have a hex on hoodwink, you have 25s coming out soon.
You also win a fight like that, it's gonna give you time for this refresher to come back up, because they were dead for so long and you took their base.
It's already only 25 seconds here.
Or NTS.
See if this a just goes their way after fighting so long.
So hard for a boss.
Trying to hookshot an issue, and Shinbox is not gonna get this opening against Extreme, they swore in the area.
Making sure there's many bodies as possible to stop.
That's our fresher shark roach too, right?
Yeah, you got cheese banner.
But you could potentially give this to the Darkseer
if you really just want to ruin Liquid's day in the teamfight.
Hey, he's got an empty slot for it.
Drops his boots because...
I wouldn't mind it. Double wall, double vacus.
Incredibly nasty. The second Micae does not have BKB in this game, he will just get evaporated, so...
It poses a lot of threat here.
It's beginning to feel like Liquid always have to make the initiation.
If they give the opportunity for Extreme to make the jump, I mean, frankly, they just don't have the builds to stop it.
If you had BKB-AX on Centaur, I think it's a different story.
Even when he gets AX, it's like, what's the point? There are too many stuns.
Any way stuns to stop you. You have to get BKB as well to ensure you can actually use the AX.
So he thought about AX, now he's going, okay, I'm back to the overwhelming blink.
The biggest issue is it's not that easy to convert on your disable here.
If you go in with the Ember, you go in with the clockwork.
Your damage follow-up is either the SF, or I guess Centaur, how Ace is playing him.
But if you go in and you all focus the same target and you clump, you get punished.
So you kind of have to send multiple groups of heroes at different targets in these teamfights
and make it chaotic, or let the Ember create space.
But you really have to watch your spacing, and this is where the Wyvern is going in this
It's not that the curse is going to kill you. It's what happens after you get caught in the curse
So you're looking for Exnova you're looking for NTS
Those are the two big heroes you want to find at the start of the fight
Well, these get vision on so that make a can go in with confidence that he's not gonna get a wombo combo
But if he gets vacuumed, but he sells items up, it's fine if he gets vacuumed in the stuns
As we saw in that base push it's fight over
And it didn't end up passing that refresher shard to xxs so
You can't call it anything here. It's just gonna be Walmo combo for days.
Hey, I don't know if...
Because the AWE of the vacuum is so big, like, do you really want to be waiting on your high ground?
I feel like this triangle position is maybe the best spot to be, X-XS.
He gets the scan and only hits the X-XI1 one day.
Tofu! Yeah, and it's easily deals with that, but cut off a really good mound.
If Tenisha is in prime position to chase down heroes now, having used that combination, nice vacuum wall, though.
wall though that holds back much of liquid it means that mickey has to deal with his illusion
It's only me killing this chase, but it does manage to get NTS in the end now
He's gonna head go after the support see if they can pick up
Yeah, he just can't deal with ace that's gonna be one life down
Side device gets used with the illusion rune on SF. That's happens gonna be in some trouble Mickey
He's in trouble. It's a 10 to come keeping him alive enough life steal
He forces all made to be out instead of extreme gaming trying to go up at the turnaround
But now it's back to retreat. Full retreat from them. Ex Nova.
No, the Winner's Curse doesn't save them.
X6S has to get away from the death ward.
Miss poke shot on the side.
Buybacks gonna be used. Extreme gaming.
Resetting here.
Because they have a fresh round of spells if they want it.
Don't forget about those refreshers.
They bought NTS and he couldn't find anything.
Still holding their refresher. There's just no opening.
They used their fresher shot on the Darkseer as well.
That's the type of fight that they're looking for.
Very chaotic, multiple points of contact.
Nobody's able to burst this SF down.
I mean, what was that jump though? I mean, you hit one man vacuum. That's why XSS has he's the one who creates the vision
But what about NTS echo slam on a which doctor? Yeah, I'm not sure what he sees here
He definitely is not seeing what we're seeing. He's definitely didn't see he I'm just that's for sure
But even if you kill doctor there's a hero with by that
There's just no way sacrifice your position again on a target that's different from what the darks here went on
That's what's creating multiple points of entry here for liquid. He's kind of gifting him that
you have to buy back supports that was the mistook shot right from boxy that was
his reaction I was like what was there to be sad about that team fight again
they did buy both supports and that doesn't mean a lot here sure like this
clockwork it's not one of those games where you see some crazy single play
from the clock but him just existing the fight is very annoying for extreme
gaming extreme gaming a bit of a setback but I mean it's a major setback to be
But they can still get back on course. They're still up in net worth. They're still up two lanes of barracks.
They still have all this teamfight potential. None of it has gone away.
It's really up to Liquid to keep, you know, making sure they never mess up their position. Nice opening here, maybe.
FY. Quick little kill and Aume! Hit by the Stomp, what a vacuum go.
It's three, get her curse onto Illusion. That one doesn't really matter. Still, Aume's in trouble.
These Adelis hit the Adelis hit! It finished him off, he dies!
Where's the turnaround? Is there any regroup here for XG? Another fight where who are you focusing and how do you get this Clink's involved?
Yeah, why is Aume the second person in the fight and not one of your two stunning initiators?
Liquid just touching them off guard. Just running at them this Ember is starting to do a lot of work in this game to become a big problem.
That's right, Misha, Coggs, all he had to do is keep XXS, keep damage on him, make sure he can't get a blink away.
He actually hit the hookshot on the slighted Ember spirit instead of X-X-S, so it's not how.
Get him out here?
X-X-S actually has a chance to be able to get away. They can follow the smoke cloud.
But I mean, even if he dies at this point, this is time.
You had 55 seconds on Aume.
Yeah, you lost a lot of window to get some building damage or get the lanes in.
Blink, TP away.
Liquid, they're gonna get practically nothing for this.
Big win for X-X-S here.
And as he will salvage an otherwise disastrous situation for Extreme Game, I feel like that's been the M.O. this game, the fights have just been awkward, even the ones they win.
Unless you get that big wombo combo, it's looked real strange in terms of what are you trying to accomplish here.
And that wombo combo is going to be harder and harder to hit every single time your blink daggers are put on cooldown.
And Nisha is trying to get a Shiva's, which, with Ember Spirit, you know, it's a lot different when you have the mobility of both Red Nights and Slite.
He's just going in and there's no real casual spell you can throw on him unless F.Y. can connect with Hex or the Bush Whack here.
Yeah, they have to stun him and nullify him.
A great catch for Boxing.
F.Y. just keeps on trying to probe the areas here and he's met with death.
Uh, level 20 Witch Doctor.
Got 1% target max health Voodoo Restoration.
So the Voodoo Restoration is actually back to doing something again.
Pretty nice on this, uh, what is it, 6000 HP Center on average?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
An extra heart for him as if he needed it.
I mean every single, uh, double edge gives him like 30 strength or something.
I like these A on this as well.
I think this is a great A on this game for Liquid.
It's not just about the combo break, it's the status resistance.
It's a really annoying item for the winner's curse to be thrown out on.
We've seen a couple of this game where X-Mobile gets like two or three heroes,
but you threw it on a status resistance target from the disc wearing off,
and it lasts for half a second.
Yeah.
And you're like, oh, okay.
I mean, that was my impact.
Very hard to land some good curses here if he has to be the one starting it.
I think Liquid are finding solutions here in the late game.
It's not looking too rough for them anymore.
It's all about, I mean, so much of late game pro Dota, right, is about theory-crafting and itemization.
You have to play out the team fights in your mind and say, okay, there are so many items in Dota 2.
Right, there is an answer somewhere in this shop.
Or an answer in terms of how you take the fight.
I think that's what separates, for example, Falcons from a lot of teams here.
They're licking keep playing. It's very coordinated very designed to understand when to commit and when not to over-commit
And I think that's something actually you're gonna have to
To pull out here. I don't think you can just full send it
On the first vacuum or I expect it to necessarily land right if you catch two or three here's on the vacuum
Sure, you go in with the shaker, but if X success goes in you can't just one or two and like are there's a witch doctor
Standing in front of you you have to be patient. You can't just throw the whole sink at him
You have to let the fight develop, keep your formation, and maybe try and bait Liquid into you.
We just haven't seen that happen yet.
Liquid very disciplined in this game.
Speaking of discipline, you're going to need buyback discipline in this game.
Make sure you always have buyback and no one to pull the trigger on, and that's one of the opposite of Extreme's position right now.
It's still two minutes on buyback, four nothing to say.
While Liquid are maintaining three buybacks on their course.
SF is gonna buy an ag synth here while still holding buyback. He had 9,000 gold.
I'm gonna spot him.
This goes off and goes after as well. Blinken immediately found nothing to say.
That was Boxe's target. Stopped the initiation. They still managed to hit a vacuum belt.
Micky is gonna deal with his illusions, but the fight is so split up.
Aimee is so far out here and Nisha is just sticking on to him like glue.
They're going to cold embrace him, but now that just means the SF is slowly making his way.
And he's going to provide the damage that will kill Armin. Nothing he can do about that one.
He's just a nuisance, man.
Again, what are you throwing into December?
The deal with him is he's just corraling your team out of a fight.
There's a good occurrence. Nothing matters. Too many heroes are around here.
Nothing is going to stop Ex-Novas.
Or everything is going to stop Ex-Novas, Blink Dagger.
And where did the big spells go?
There was no multi-hero vacuum that kind of stabilized the fight.
It was another Echocyan on a single Witchdoctor target, just to try and salvage something.
There's just no clear focus.
Great, great spell casting for the Liquid Supports game.
I mean, they have a lot of deaths, but that's the nature of this one, right?
You have to go in and just create some space, create some chaos.
Wasted so much time.
Even the, uh, the barrage, the, the strafe Serenero plus.
I think some of the skeleton walk went on to the witch doctor as he pumped the shark
Yeah, there's like two or three spells from all that he commits to trying to hit its witch doctor and he's dodged all
Here's losing value there. It's like all these little exchanges are just not favorable for you
And this is gonna be a baby's going into mid guys hands. He is a
Massive problem in this game refresher short for liquid. We'll see who ops to take it here
Not as good for their lineup, but no doubt could be nice for the I
I get to double stamp heat.
I mean, just give it to the Empress Fairy.
Yeah, that's the remnants.
Remnants are too good here.
It's very easy for him to slot it in as a 7-9-1.
I will say.
Let's put it in.
Going high ground is a very different piece of steam for Liquid.
Yeah, Liquid's been in this position before, and then they throw it away on the mid lane push.
So I do wonder what they...
I would love to hear their comms right now, just like...
Do we go high ground?
How do we hit high ground?
Because last time it was like...
Wasn't the worst position from Liquid? It was a two-man vacuum between Centaur and SF, but it was more than enough with the all-in damage from Earthshaker double echo.
So, the biggest difference is you can't create that sort of chaotic fight where multiple people are getting attacked when you're going into XG's hideout.
They will always have a formation that can cover each other and kind of back up into the base.
Like, okay, let's say you try and dive in super deep of the Ember like we've seen in every fight.
Well, you're just going into two or fours, you're going into the fountain, there's a cap here.
There's a limit you're going to go up against and then the fight will collapse, so...
Yeah.
I feel like there'd be many teams, Falcons, 1W off the top of my head who would almost say like,
maybe we don't get high ground.
Just far over 50J net worth lead.
Yeah.
And it's an option.
You also just drop in or put ace here.
Yeah, yeah.
There is the retaliating, thinking kill the tier three.
They aren't gonna try and Ekko Sam, kill him!
Refresher, not Ekko Sam, only getting down to about half!
Hold vacuum with the vacuum!
They stole my chance though with another Fischer holding him into place!
Ace is almost dead, but he's not quite!
They used everything, man!
They used double Ekko, Klink's hit him with all of his damage.
They popped wall vacuum, and it wasn't enough!
Meanwhile, you had Mikkei.
Mikkei's just got free clearance.
Well?
They just said, okay, go ahead, Mikkei.
Take the entire base if you want, I guess.
You tried to hold him, it didn't succeed.
There's also an argument even if you got him and he buys.
You're still in this situation.
Yeah, it's still a position where Micke is like,
okay, I have two lives.
And you don't have multiple ultimates that were the big threats to me.
This guy needs multiple lanes for sure.
Do I have a buyback on the shaker?
You're missing a lot of spells.
There is that Vole cooldown on the wall, so they'll get this lane at Barracks,
but for the next one, they'll least have wall up.
And another 30 seconds until Echoslam is back up and MTS feels pressured to buy.
Which if I'm liquid, I'm definitely trying to get that out of it.
I think you have to go past the center here if you're...
I mean the center is gonna stay inside the base and they see that it's an opportunity to try and call him on a second time.
And Clinkz does do enough damage.
And Ty got absolutely chumped by the bloodthorne, yeah.
Yeah, it was a bloodthorne. There was no dispel this time around.
something that Ace was, you know, he was feeling that pain before it's why he built up the Lotus in
the first place. Surprised he didn't get the Lotus. It was 100 damage. Serious chainsaw. He got
hexed into pushwack and a punch into vacuum into aftershock. Yeah, throw it throw it all and I'm
guaranteed that that bloodthorn will proc. Was there no other dispel available for it? I guess
not. All right, they are another Lotus orb. Yeah, that might be something that the game goes late,
That supports get something f-y
But shot it boxy
He's jumped pretty far out here by himself
The throw away a jet there. Yeah, what?
Just feeling himself, you know, I he's feeling far too much with itself
That is for sure. Well liquid throw a little bit away on that higher on push. They do get two lanes
It's not unsuccessful by any means
but the five acts are
Revitalized here for everybody in the game except the shaker who committed to turn that set our kill
It is a silver edge. I saw a demon edge picked up and I thought for a second there. Mickey was saying it's divine time
Complets the silver edge will extreme go straight to the high ground to get these buybacks to be used
There's a risky push. It's very risky. I'll make some little bit easier with the axe burning army point-blank requiem
Oh, they were prepared for that one at all. I'll make doesn't use the BKB fast
They're going to come in.
They're going to fly back now.
Beautiful bush.
Why catching the two of them?
Echo Sam's going to be put to use here, but they really do much damage.
They can still keep Nero's here.
The two supports will die.
The Amberspirit has free reign to get out.
No, Topfu's not dead yet.
Leon Desk goes Scepter.
They actually get some away, surprisingly enough.
That is a dieback on Boxy.
So it is actually liquid in a four versus five.
They might push with this, given how annoying the clockwork's been.
Even without the Amély.
How did Amély let that happen to?
I mean it's a level 30 SF with with kaya yasha kaya
So he had the cast speed reduction, but still it's a lot of magic burst
Maybe you're thinking he gets cursed there and you can survive and turn it around just too much overwhelming damage
See liquid setting up on the side they are ready for XG to commit
Will they?
Got the site initiation on the ember spirit a two-man vacuum on the side if they can kill the ember while the others are held in
XXS takes huge chunks of damage, cold embrace, winners curse, trying to bail out.
Tofu is definitely going to die to this winners curse, so that's a dieback on the two supports,
so now it's a five versus three.
They're going to buy the Darkseer, you have to send it here.
These supports have been way too annoying in this game.
There's no A on.
Mckay is trying to make something happen.
They do have a gem on the hoodwink.
XXS trying to keep them honest here, Blinks in, Shiba's.
Rax are being assaulted here. Megas is not the end of the game.
They may get it. Ember Spirit spots the winner, Wyver.
He's gonna jump in. Here comes that right wing.
But, oh man, got off the BKB this time around.
And the world's the difference it makes.
No damage done to the Clakes. They're gonna deal with the banner.
The Ember Spirit, the Echo Same off the banner.
They're gonna refresh. They can keep him down.
Yeah, that's Big A dead.
And Ace, he's gonna take a lot of damage,
trying to crawl his way out of here.
But the Bushwax and the Backfumes constantly pulling in the heroes.
There is no way out.
Liquid, they have buybacks on the Ember and the Centaur.
It's gonna be Megas.
They have to come out.
No, that's not the end of the game.
They pushed into your force.
Get these buybacks out of them.
What did they do when the buybacks are used though?
Are they gonna keep it going?
You have to full send it here.
He's full of an echo.
Shot makes you initiation.
And here comes the TP right behind Aume.
Aume's in a bad spot.
Inslee into the hero spot.
Three heroes, control them with the vacuum.
Control Aume's dead.
Swaggan breaks it through, but Aume still dies.
There's a damage.
The damage is gone now for Extreme.
Two minutes dead with no buyback, 60 minute items are up, there are so many options to be played here.
Liquid though, first things first, get as many heroes as you can, try and get some more extreme gaming pickoffs.
Hookshot on the creeps, that's gonna whiff, and it looks like the rest of Extreme are away, so Boxy and Ace couldn't find anything else.
What do you do as Liquid here?
You're probably not strong enough to just go to the high ground.
This looks like they're just gonna have to play for tier 5s.
You have to just get the lanes out, try and de-word, get your neutral items.
It's almost fortunate in a way that the one core that died back there was the Ember,
because that killed the chase potential for Lyfrid.
You weren't able to clean up any heroes at the tail end of this.
And he died because his Aon got popped very early in this fight.
Huge Ekoslan finds Rementius. These are not vacuum setups.
These are just him going in, finding the connection.
Those final shots that followed him after he rendered it.
I guess he had no slides to destroy.
He's just running out of spells, and again, here.
He just gets shamed, like, no way out this to pop.
He gets bloodthorned by Ana, his last will before he dies.
He's like, I'll take you with me, brother.
I will bloodthorn you.
Probelle's hard.
I stab at thee.
Liquid are actually going to have some attention put
to this little thing.
Maybe they can get the mages.
There's a cliff here.
Ace is saying, I can do it.
Everybody else is going to play to the back now.
Extreme gaming, they can play.
They can make this an even game.
They can say, OK, you get the mages,
or maybe we can just stall for 30 seconds.
But, they got double hook of the dead, that's pretty nice in this situation.
Maybe not the optimal item for the heroes, but it's going to do some work here.
Installing up this push, they're sending necrobooks down mid right now.
This is a lot of phase pressure on liquid, and you just can't put the SF up here to take the buildings quickly.
Yep, it's not going to be fast enough, and they have a car awkward position.
Fisher, they're going to pop the stampede, but the vacuum is there.
pull him back in and I think tofu he's just gonna tell ace for runway no
boxy actually goes back in ace is still holding around I mean Mickey is not
here so double ankle for the doctor yeah that is a what helps a team in
talks perfectly the colors they managed to stop ace's initiation with the
overwhelming blink he was gonna go after nothing to say Mickey was just about to
join them here comes on me though
hits a lot of heroes with that one the winners curse just saw him though and it
pulled in ace, now they're going to be coming up, push top though, it stops the follow up stuns
out from the earth shaker, they kill, another vacuum goes off, refresher, pop by x6, that's
trying to get up the wall, he needs the wall, he needs the vacuum, he needs it now, and he gets
it off towards the end, but there's no follow through. Mickey, he kills xxs and he's able to
get away from these solutions, and we are back to a position where Liquid have the advantage,
But they are having to battle through mega creeps to take advantage of this.
At least Boots of Travel 2, in Miike's back pocket, he can clear some creeps and join a fight if you want to look for something here.
You got some big buybacks out of XG.
There's also tier 5s for every single one of these here, except for Miike available, so yeah, he needs...
They need a little bit more here in terms of the control.
These heroes are kiting them out a little bit too much.
His fights are getting way too chaotic, and if you just run into a fight like that with
stitching a tool in this clinch, you're gonna get absolutely shredded.
Like, he is now the highest DPS hero in this game.
A lot of that damage for Liquid has come from such sick positioning from this Shadowkeep.
Like, these Requiem jumps have been game salvaging.
The one on the base depends on the one there.
You're picking up some big kills on the back of the fight, but it still feels like Ember
is the most important piece of the puzzle here.
If Nisha goes down, XG can kite the fights out a lot more.
It niches up, you're not cutting the fight.
You're getting hook shot, you're getting remnant chain.
And we saw the time that he died,
it was because he didn't have those remnants.
If he gets 30, remnant recharge restore time,
it just becomes too hard to deal with it.
It's just, he jumps to the back line,
he has a couple of remnants he expends there
to threaten the winter wiper
and to try and kill the hoodwink.
There's a rush on the field, though.
Look at that, did not feel comfortable forcing it.
You know, without the darks here?
Pretty interesting here. They might have had a moment to do that.
Again, how much does Roche matter at this point in the game when everybody's six-slotted?
Yeah.
You know, it's a little less enticing.
Yeah, Aegis is, uh, not the best.
I think it's also nice for Almey, still.
Just because he has been focused so heavily.
It buys time for your team-play combo to maybe land.
Yeah.
And something.
He's looking at, uh, some finishing items here.
Scotty, uh, swap out the treads, pick up a Scotty.
That'll make him significantly tankier. That'll pull him over 4,000 HP. Does that matter though when SF
If you catch the clink SF is doing like 1,500 damage crits
So not really. Yeah, I don't think it's saving you in that situation
Again, maybe it buys you time to get the combo off like one more hit. I mean, it's a multi shot. The slow is very effective
True the biggest I think the biggest thing you do is all means game is just getting the fight set up your army
I let it go to work, huh?
Yeah.
And then even if you die, you're still doing so much damage with this Digium Pickup.
But man, the Ghost Scepters have been annoying.
The Aeondists have been annoying.
The Switcheroo from the Witch Doctor, it's so hard to kill these two liquid supports.
Even with Bulafire Hexes, it just doesn't...
I guess there's Stampede on top of it, too.
There's a lot of Interrupt here.
It's almost 25 on the Witch Doctor.
Dr.
Interesting 25 talents now.
I mean you're a 5 so what would you go in here?
Would you go paralyzing cast bounces?
The opportunity from that?
I think so.
I don't think that's worth damage.
I don't think so.
Is too convincing for me here?
Again, so many A.W. stuns.
Yeah, you're not playing that style of game.
I don't know if you're channeling anything here.
Toplu's mostly been playing off of Aon Disco Scepter, Blinken with Voodoo Restoration
and keep Centaur alive.
I feel like that's what I've seen him do
in most of these fights.
The cast bounces are also a little extra weight clear,
which you just lost a tier four to Necrovix.
Loxy's gonna be throwing some cogs into the mix,
actually kicks the clinks out of the pit.
I mean, Roshan is important more so
just because it's an opportunity.
It's some sort of crazy team fight.
We're gonna line up the Burning Army.
Sheen is trying to keep these heroes back,
not let them go inside the pit.
Where are you?
Perfect timing!
Could he grab the Aegis though? It's still on the ground!
The Ame is almost dead. Finally needs to get dropped up and they go for the grab and Ame gets it, sure.
But what a stun there from Ace, knocking up somebody here who's mid game.
Finally joins in with his bots too, and they've got Ame stuck inside the pit.
He's currently trying to grab items. He pots a refresher shard.
Meanwhile, they're wrapping around from the side. They spotted X-Nobo.
It's a mid game from the back.
He's gonna go try and kill X-Nobo. Didn't finish Moth, didn't get a crit.
Godwinner's curse held in place by the Blushback. Meanwhile, inside the pit, there is still Ame.
Sooping held in place, he finally lost his ages.
He got the asset.
Now trying to get up, the SF is dead, and Aamey's almost back in a play.
And the December spirit is almost dead.
Quick blow refresher, now the Cogs trying to keep E-Tiros back, but it's not good.
Aamey's just doing too much damage, even the Centaur is dying.
So many of them don't have buybacks on these heroes.
Ace fighting for his life, but the Bloodthorn won't burst him down in the end.
Buyback's trying to push it too much.
Buyback on one, 18 seconds until the other two can come back into play.
Look at the thrown HP. It took so much damage there.
Yeah, they just go all in for it. Aame's just going to go for it now.
The Glip, they have the opportunity. Stole Aame here.
Aame chased away. They couldn't get the initiation. The buyback. Three seconds left.
So close on the level rise.
And the Skeletal takes Aame. He knows. All he has to do is kite around Mikkei.
All he has to do is knock side of the SF right now.
He dodges that initiation.
You just go. They have no Glip.
Now they reset. Go all in for the Throne.
All they have to do is get past these Liquid heroes. Get around them.
But Ace is making that difficult with his Overwhelming Glip.
He jumps to the back line, but a push back round there!
The back!
The back table three!
And the combo once again!
Aume!
And the rest of Extreme will pull off.
They can out-fight you and take your throne afterwards.
What a late game performance from Extreme Gaming.
That has been their real house.
When it works, it works well.
They drafted for it, they played for it.
Some missteps along the way.
Some sick plays from Liquid.
But at some point, the overwhelming at here,
we is just inevitable.
You can just park these clings in the pit,
wants to man fight and then if you clunk you get punished you're trying to pick
off the backside of the fight. I was thinking liquid over performing a lot
of those team fights because they're just so chaotic it's very hard to continue
to plow through all these big holes to keep track of it and keep track of who
has an A on this cup who's checking this airshaker on the backside not getting
back you not getting cursed it's a lot to think about they really isolated this
clean so a lot of times and gave themselves openings it's just so hard to
go higher on that game like that is the ultimate problem they ran into every
They went high ground where they're trying to seek.
You can put the center up there,
but you're too afraid to put anyone else.
And the one time they did, they got mega punished for it.
Yeah, man, it's part of the strength
of this line-up for XG is they're happy scaling
from a defensive standpoint.
Very close game down the stretch there.
If you get a couple more Roshan's,
get a couple more kills, those buybacks were coming up,
that last team fight can look a lot different.
But ultimately, it will go XG's way.
I guess they're feeling pretty good
about the game playing coming together.
I guess it comes together in the end.
I mean, we started to start at this series was that these are two teams that are not in peak form right now and I'm trying to get there.
And I think you saw that play out of the game because I mean, it was hella entertaining.
That's for sure. It rose on both sides. Some sloppy misplays, some sick ass plays at the same time.
I mean, we saw the full gambit of the best of Liquid and the worst of Extreme and the best of Extreme and the worst of Liquid at times.
And what are the results of what of the game one?
Just one of those sloppy games.
If we look at the endgame's score screen, I feel like Ami got absolutely guesstimated every flight,
but he still ends this game with 120,000 hero damage, double Mikko's.
It did not feel like he's double Mikko's damage in that game.
I mean, part of that's like Bloodthorn procs and the burning armor and stigines like he plays.
Yeah, there's a Centaur, he gives you a healthy boost of damage.
That's for sure.
Definitely tanks some DPS here, he received 240,000.
The next highest was like 100, so that built paid off for Ace.
You just couldn't close it out here and man, sick vacuums from X-XS, I think at some point
it became almost impossible to get the vacuums, because look where we're just so spread out.
Yeah, they were fighting over three different screens.
Exactly.
It's like, how do you get a clump of this game?
It's almost impossible.
He still found some sick openings and won a game one.
Excited to see what these teams bring for game two and you gotta respect this Emberspear.
Yeah, you beat it, but man, you did barely.
Yeah, maybe you got to put some respect on this nothing to say earth shaker as the response as extreme gaming take game one
What an absolute treat we get for our first game of the day over an hour long here between team liquid
extreme gaming with a lot of coming out on top and
Me slightly hoping that we'll see the distance here with this best of three
but Extreme Gaming making a good case for themselves. This game, Lacoste, we already
ended the draft saying Extreme Gaming looking very solid with that draft coming into this.
It played out really nice. Oh, absolutely. I mean, it wasn't a clean execution by any means,
but they made all the right adjustments, I would say, from the start. And you could definitely
feel that a lot of work was put into this kind of a draft addressing some of the issues that they
did have in the early stages of the tournament. But this one, they completely slapped. And I think
Liquid, they did not respect the big AoE-vombo combo that they had in this one.
Yeah, they did not.
I mean, the big stage, you know, in admi-nation games, Shaker comes.
It's always the case.
It's August, it's July!
It's that time of the year, you know, he's on vacation the entire year,
and then July, August kicks in and Shaker's here, as usual.
You know, you get the big Akkos lambda backheums.
It was an incredible game, I think, like so many crazy plays on both sides.
Like, this was one of the most entertaining game I've watched,
I think all tournament so far and we're just getting started with the survival stage the numbers are wild
240,000 damage taken it was set by the caster. We don't see it here by ace
I don't think I've ever seen such a number it's it's
It feels broken like the the second hard does feel like it's broken and also just a casual plate mount
That's gonna get in through like these early stages of the game or like mid-stage is of the game depending what we're talking about
And it also feels like I was checking the numbers. He was healing for 250, 260 per second without which doctor because which doctor also had level 20 down.
This is 50 base heal plus 1% of his max HP, which is crazy combo actually. He had 6000 damage. So he's healing pretty much for 400 per second almost.
They broke the game with some of these items and numbers and damage dealt by army also like 120k damage on these clings. It's absolutely crazy.
like these are some, yeah, these are some very late game numbers.
They really are, and this game, it was very back and forth.
What do we think was the deciding factor in the end that made Extreme come out on top?
I think they were focusing support heavily, seeing that every single time they want to take them out,
like there was one fight where they initiated, like, he echo slammed him twice.
Like, he's like, hey, on this, go Scepter, this very annoying shard.
I'm just going to go for him. Like, I'm really sick of this witch doctor.
I'm really sick of the other support as well making sure that we are taking a bit of a longer fight
Clockwork how many times we've seen boxy initiate on to army cuz like he felt even through the BKB like we're talking about the
Later stages of the game with the refreshers and everything you only have one BKB and this is why like some of these late game fights are so chaotic
They're seeing good amount of a on this as well being picked up
So good if you have that extra bit of protection that you need and it's also like
In late game, if you think about Liquid's lineup and their heroes, they kind of have
one round of fighting in them and they can afford having very long and drawn out fights.
This clings in and out and he has the skeletons and the Darsier spells coming back half cooldown,
same with shakers.
Whereas, for instance, this SF, once he clicked BKB and ulti essentially, he's very susceptible
and the same can be said with Ember when the E-End is on cooldown because they have so
many stuns and so much lockdown for him.
So I think the late game was a little bit more favorable for Xtreme.
And obviously it came down to plays, right?
But I think both teams had amazing sequences, both in early and late game.
Yeah, let's go over the flow of the game a little bit,
because this game started with a very even score in terms of the net worth.
We had a slight lead for Team Liquid, but it was actually Xtreme
that made most moves in the early stage of the game.
And Lacoste, you picked out a couple of those.
Yeah, we wanted to see NTS play with the two supports, we wanted to see them focus slightly more on the mid.
And this is exactly what they did.
This is the time where NTS, like, prior to 4 minutes, both of the supports, and also, because X-XS at the time, he was jungling.
He, like, this is the rotation that you kind of don't expect him to come, like, he's here, and Nisha's like,
what the hell, man, like, this is not supposed to happen, we should not have three heroes in the mid lane.
And the other clips are also going to be showing pretty similar, like rotations coming out from, you know, playing around NTS, making sure that he's having a good time,
and that they are bringing in numbers again. Tofu slightly, like, one second too late, maybe, to disengagement, but also getting another kill.
And also, just making sure that every single time, just bring the numbers, make sure that NTS is the one controlling the runes,
that this is not going to result in a kill. And I think in this engagement, Extreme Gaming wanted to take the trade,
where they said you know what we're gonna grab a kill a number one more time instead they didn't get
to kill and they also were probably thinking we're not gonna be able to get to rune because you
are playing against the free farm shadow fiend who took your tower pretty much and you also have
two supports rotating even with these two xp runes taken by team liquid they still were not
ahead in terms of the xp so very good thing from extreme gaming these are some of the issues that
they definitely needed to fix early on and they did yeah we wanted them to make lose in their
We talked a lot about that mid lane from both teams for this reason.
It's very cool that Extreme Gaming made it.
We suck you that unfortunately, Nisha on the receiving end of that.
There were a bunch of moves that Extreme Gaming made and they were good.
And it looked like they were slowly building the momentum up.
They crushed Team Liquid and Team Liquid was just happily farming
and they did get a lot out of the map.
And then at some point they decided, this is a good time to contest the ages.
Yeah, there's like a second portion of the game, which I think was the complete turnaround.
As you can see here with the net worth, Xtreme were very much in the lead.
They win the fight, they kill three heroes, and they go for Roche.
But unfortunately for them, NTS has not so great idea to walk uphill.
You know, classic thing when you want to make sure nobody's contesting, but great presence
of mind from Micky gets to kill the shaker, this is a reminder of not going for high ground
phase when you don't need it.
And essentially, this is a two versus five
where both like Mickey and Ace, they
managed to kill three heroes, stop them from rushing,
and they will actually secure the rush for Team Liquid, which
will result in a complete change of pace of the game,
where it went from being completely dominated by Xtreme
and having them pretty much 8k, 9k, gold, 8k,
good, I guess, to the game being even, and Liquid
bringing it back.
And to me, that's always the mark of the greatest players
out there and you think of Miki, they deliver when the stakes are at the highest.
You know, the pressure is there, they're playing an elimination series against Xtreme.
2 vs 5, they somehow clutch it.
You'd love to see it, honestly.
I think you're going to need that from every single player here in the survival stage,
like the big names, the ones that we expect to perform, they're going to have to clutch it.
Yeah, we want every player to step it up.
Throughout last week, we've also been a little critical of Azus' performance,
and I think this Centaur, Lacoste, he nailed it.
But yeah, it gives me a lot of hope.
This is the second time that he did it.
The build seems pretty insane, like even though he was fighting into a lane, it's got a hard
lane for him.
Like he's playing with the double melee, but the build, it's working out.
Like you're always going to get this helm of the Dominator, making sure you're getting
the farm, you're getting the Stampede Volo, the Alley out of your creep, and also just
not necessarily being the initiator.
He's like, yeah, I have a heart, and also I have a second heart, just in case this one
fails.
It did feel amazing, especially once you pick up the shard, the damage, it gets pretty ridiculous, the slow, the tankiness, everything feels good, and I definitely think we are going to be seeing a lot more of this build.
Yeah, and so it does double up the regen. Yes, basically. Why does that item work that way, where nobody had the other item?
I wish I had the answer for that question here.
Valve software at whatisit? Like gmail.com or what's this email? I'm not sure.
But feel free.
No, I mean, it looks very good.
I'm sure we're going to see it addressed one way or the other.
If you were to change something about the drafts,
is there anything you'd say like, you know, on hindsight, especially if a game
goes 60 minutes, that hero didn't really deliver the way you wanted it to.
And to be honest, I'm mostly wondering if the witch doctor lived up to
expectations coming into the late game?
I think the, I mean, in the late game, I think the witch
match that had a lot of impact is essentially there were lots of
sequences where he just got the melodic and you could see also
Liquid's communication because all of a sudden they're like
target focusing the hero that got hit by the melodic because
they know there's no way around it, you're gonna die no matter
what. And it did have a lot of impact in the late game. I think
the mid game was a little bit tougher for the witch doctor,
but it's kind of meant to be like that when you're on the
losing end especially. Because at the end of the day, it's a
hero that needs to get close to the action to cast its spells
like whether it's Madadik or channeling the ulti.
It was a tough with Shocker game, which again, nobody cares.
It doesn't make sense because with Shocker, the position 5,
you can't really tell your team, guys. It was a bad with Shocker game.
People are going to be like, please, please, let the grown-ups speak here.
We need to talk about the SS and the clings of the world.
But it was a tough with Shocker game.
Like he's playing versus Urshaker versus Darcy.
It's really hard to get too close. And every time he did, he just died from AoE.
So I do think the hero has a lot of potential.
And on both teams, I think all the heroes were good and had a lot of impact, honestly.
Like, this was a really high, like, high-caliber game.
I think they both played exceptionally well, but eventually it came down to, you know, few moments of the game.
It could have gone either way until some of the last moments of that game.
It was a very cool game number one of this best of three.
And we said it at the start, and I will say it again, for both of these teams,
Getting eliminated in this spot is a massive disappointment, and one of these two teams will be eliminated at the end of this BESA 3 and his team Liquid.
That is one game down, so we're going to see if they can step it up going into that second game soon.
Before we check in with that second game though, we're going to listen to XXS as he talks about how he feels about this matchup in particular.
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Hello, I'm here at the X-XS of Extreme Gaming. I know you guys probably felt disappointed
in your performance in the group stage, but you've got Liquid up next. It's a very difficult
team. I'm curious how you think you'll fare.
First of all, you may be disappointed in the game, but you have a team that is stronger than the other teams.
How many teams do you think are in your team?
55k.
I said we are 50-50 confident in terms of facing Team Liquid.
Okay, great. You guys had a day off yesterday. I was curious what kind of improvements you worked on.
Yesterday you also took a day off. Do you have any improvements to your tactics?
I think we have a lot of improvements these days. I think we played better than before.
if you play better or worse when you're on elimination.
Honestly, I'll say that I don't feel any pressure whatsoever at any stage of the game,
even though it's an elimination series,
and I'm just here to do my best,
and deliver my performance on the stage.
I have to hear that very confident from X-XS.
Well, thank you for joining me for the interview
and good luck in your match.
We are getting ready for game number two of this elimination series in the survival stage
between Team Liquid and Extreme Gaming.
Extreme Gaming just took Game 1, statistically speaking, that does not happen very often
as it normally has been Team Liquid 8 out of 10 times.
They were victorious in the last 10 matches.
They played against each other.
Can Team Liquid force out the tie to go to a Game 3 is the question.
We're heading into the draft very soon.
We just heard from XSS that all he wants to do is his best.
He got to play the Dark Seer.
It was his or their first pick, overall second pick.
It worked out very well, especially if you're going to be in these late-game situations.
Probably not going to get his hands on it this time around if Team Liquid wants to get
that Shadow Fiend again, but we already see that Shadow Fiend's back, so we're going to
have a completely different draft on our hands also because Team Liquid this time around
is radiant with Extreme Gamer Dyer and Extreme Gamer with first pick, Stolen Centaur straight
away.
Yeah, this is also a classic one for XXS.
is one of his most played heroes, he plays it really well. He also does go for a bit of a
different item build. He is one of the few ones who is not going to say falling into a trap because
it is working but he also thinks outside of the box whether he needs to go for hard straight away
or if he's going to be picking up, you know, maybe a Lotus, maybe a pipe depending on the game.
But after seeing what happened in the previous game, he probably got a little inspired as well.
Yeah, for sure. I mean, this hero looks really strong, you know. I think there's also like facets
of the hero we haven't really seen, such as the Aghanim, which can really break games sometimes.
It becomes really hard to play versus Centaur Rives, because it's such a reliable save,
and it's obviously much more than that. So many ways to play that hero, honestly.
As well as the laning presence, you know, the farm speed, it's a hero that's pretty hard to stop,
honestly. Like, when you factor in Max returns, Tampede, early Ham of Dawn to pull creep waves
to himself, just a very strong hero. Like what's good against Centaur, I think from Liquid's
pool is which doctor, so we could see the same support duo. Maybe this is something
that they don't want to run again, but because I'm trying to think what takes down this 6k
HP, you know, like, it's a really good job. But what else is there in Dota?
I was thinking, like in the previous game, there was no Hydra's breath. He wanted to
pick up Ion Scotty as his last item just to reduce that healing that's also very
good but if you want to be dealing more damage more percent of base damage this
item is probably the best in the game to out like have the damage output against
six seven eight thousand HP Centaur. Six seven. 100% it's the it's it's it's the
best one of the best damage output against like bags of HP which is
essentially is almost everything that Centaur brings to the table. We'll see the
The cast being first phase ban to me is quite interesting. I think it was ignored or am I
mistaken with this one?
You are not mistaking with that one. I'll have a check to be sure. Completely ignored.
Interesting. So you know, I mean, dynamics with first pick, second pick, maybe something
that I mean, I know Miki has grown into being one of the best cast players out there. Like
he's been playing it a lot for Team Liquid with a lot of success. So understandable for
sure. They do ban the witch rock too actually, this time around. So same 3-in-1-12 here.
This is like one way to protect the centaur and to also secure his ability to scale into
the game.
The hero looked very good, like his healing numbers are through the roof and also making
sure that you have a stable laner, like this is one of the stronger fives and some of us
wanted like the zoning tool, the heal, it just feels very good.
I would even compare him to Winterweaver because the hero is very obnoxious to play against,
both of them have basically a healing ability and ability that you can't really trade against.
Clock, not the worst against Centaur, in a sense like a cog is a really cool tool against
Ampid, there's just really annoying having to stop and hit cogs to get out, so there
it comes, the Murana, to be fair though, it's Tofu's one of his best heroes, I think
he's Master T on the hero, very famous for it when he was on Gaming Gladiator, playing
in position 4, now he plays in position 5.
Luckily for Dekuad I think it's a better fight than it's a 4, because it has at least
Like the decent leading presence in the early game, it was banned by Xtreme first phase last game, so they respected Murana.
So yeah, what do we know?
If both teams thinks it's a good hero, then they are right and we are wrong.
But would you rather not have the Hoot Pink? They banned out the Hoot Pink of course to make a...
I would rather have anything else than Murana if you ask me. I would take a CM at this point.
This is maybe the chance that Murana gets to prove you're wrong.
Yes, I hope so. I've seen too many games where the hero just does absolutely nothing.
And you know we had a little bit of a talk in the green room as well like what could potentially be
Maybe the build and the sg had he had a very interesting idea about you know picking up the drums
Treads picking up the shard maybe getting it from tormentor and then start to scale a little bit getting the chrystallis
It may be a bkb later on because games are relatively long instead of going for the agonim scepter
I can seem like tranquil boots agonim scepter blink faggers sometimes it does feel lackluster and I love this hero
I feel like the hero might not be the strongest one right now. It's not like, you know, a couple of patches ago when Rubik and
Yeah, I'm Iran is just like
But I do like this and I love this support job
I feel like especially against these combos that are easily broken where you need to relatively heavily commit
Go with the clock or with the arrow
Ember Spirit is still available in the pool. I assume that's going to be the pairing for them because it's relatively good.
The backline jumper, it's a soft catch against the stand feed, both the support jumper, they like to play against it.
Yeah, it's a good spirit game. You see the support duo like Willow and Ringmaster, you think of Ember, you think of Earth Spirit for that matter,
you think of Puck, which has fallen behind in terms of meta, but you know all these evasive
flashy mid heroes are pretty good. They're going to be contested by both teams. The one issue for
Liquid though is that Xtreme have 18 picks, so they could heavily punish it on the lane, so they
have to cover certain angles. Alchemists. Alchemist, Necrofost. Oh, that's a strategy, I guess, coming
out. Very interesting. So the Necro, what's pretty cool with it is that it could go mid,
Or it could go off lane with the clockwork, like that's the lane that we've seen Falcons run a lot with great success.
We've also seen, so this is like a page out of both Falcons and Nigma's book, right?
Yeah.
This could be Necromancer, which will shut down essentially Ember, Earth Spirit, like we've seen these matchups go really poorly.
But not Snapfires and Lina's potentially that could come out.
I feel like these mixed type of damage midlaners are going to be very good.
Also, Necrophos, he is the counter to Centaur.
This is the counter because he just melts you all this HP that you do have.
Also, this is a good option in terms of like getting the initiator or having the second initiator.
And also the burst damage again have no ways of saving this Necropho
because supports are really not good at doing so, at least not early on.
Yeah.
Very interesting second phase by both teams.
I think these are heroes that we really haven't seen that much come out.
At least that early in the draft for Liquid and then Sanking to me is the first Sanking I see this tournament.
I assume it's a Sanking mid. It's a NTS classic.
The matchup against Necrol is pretty rough for Sanking, but at the same time that hero is specialized in drawing games.
Like you have the Sentry, you just...
If you win the Sentry battle, you just push out the wave, you play through stacks anyway, just like we've seen with the Shaker last game.
So I wouldn't be too worried for Xtreme if it came down to that matchup.
On Liquid's side though, they have this Samira and Arc lane. It's not the best safe lane, I have to say.
I think it's pretty weak, especially versus Centaur, which, again, is a very dominant offlaner on the lane, I mean.
So we'll have to see how it plays out. I'm just afraid that Liquid's base, this game compared to other games, is a little bit slower.
Like, they have really heroes. And again, there's the question of double radiance. Do you just buy it?
I think you just go for it.
You just go for it, right?
It's too valuable to pass on maybe if you can find like this speed
Maybe if you find like an opening for Necro to go for a bit of a different item build
Yeah, but then again you're scaling like if you don't go radiance you can't farm ancients
It takes extremely long time even with the shard. They just don't die to it
This is a pango removed as well was it was it liquid that then sinking in one
Let me double check them.
I think they did, yeah.
They banned Sanking and Lina.
Okay, so they knew that Sanking was a menace.
Interesting.
Because Xtreme hasn't played Sanking so far.
This tournament.
They played it once.
Against four rangers and they won.
Oh, okay, I missed these games.
I see.
I see.
Well, again, it's a bit, it's pretty devastating right now.
Xtreme's teamfight.
Like, you think of this Sanking jumping in with all the AOE
That's gonna come from the ring master the willow the amount of damage like I don't think liquid heroes can really tank for now
I have one hero
It's more to potentially for them if they want to run it for extreme for extreme because you have like a lot of the times
It's sometimes in the games in Necro could also be okay
She's they have enough magic damage and then you just kite through BKB and ulti and she dies to Reaper site
But you have ring master box. They also picked necrophos into ring master and these are not the
heroes that also build into
Nullifier like maybe maybe one of them can if it's gonna be double radians
So this assemble it and get it because you're definitely gonna need it. I mean, it would be a very good pick the murder
I'm just worried a little bit about the lane because I remember the Falcons game where they actually had exactly the same like
Necro clock against the mortar plus one and the work I just kept getting dove and dove and dove and dove because
Quite susceptible like essentially necro position three just pushes the lane really hard into you
So you spend a lot of time under Tar, which is usually something that ranged carries really dislike.
They just go back for the clinch instead.
Yeah, looks very strong last game. I don't blame them.
Like, he didn't have the best mid game in a sense, but besides that, like, the early game was very dominant.
The late game scaling looked great also. Crazy damage numbers, just a very good hero.
nullifier buyer or as mentioned also very good versus necro you're gonna want that at some point
Yeah, are you now happy to get the necro on the off-lane or would you are still rather put it mid?
Where are you gonna put it?
It's not the easiest matchup versus the planks like it's really heavy harass, but uh
Yeah, good question. I feel like liquid lack a playmaker some storms some puck
You know, it's not that the puck has pretty this mode when right it could still be very good in this game because
They're on pretty late. Like sure you have like double initiation, double stun, relatively good follow-up, but I feel like you could potentially get away with it.
I just feel they need something to push through these early stages of the game. They need a hero that Clockwork and Murano can play with.
Yeah, and they need to be contesting sacks, because I see the sinking, I think of sacks, like a bunch of sacks from the ancients, they need to be able to go there.
And makes it for the alt-3d, and I'm just afraid that if they have nitro mids, okay, they go for that. They go for the darts here.
I mean, it was very dominant last game.
There's a lot of pressure on what happens with the lane and with the ability for Nisha to push the issue
because they really need him to open up the map for them.
As a Necro.
As a Necro, yes.
That's not natural.
Just like being annoying.
It's like just like by being where they don't want to essentially.
I think of him like he's just pushing the lane, then randomly running into the triangle, you know, forcing them to address his presence there.
It's a good pairing with Chalk and Mirana, I have to say, and Nifor brings a lot of damage.
He's also front-finding for these heroes.
Their lineup is cool, like, well, again, both lineups are really cool and solid.
A little greedy and slow on Liquid's side, which is not what we're used from them.
So, maybe like a question mark there.
Yeah, I think they wanted to have somebody that builds into Pype in this game,
we saw it in the previous game where A-S-X-X-S did pick it up in his Darkshire,
because most of the damage that they have early on is going to be magical.
From Sanking, you're going to be afraid of that, Mark Willow, some Ring Master spells,
so probably going to go Death Route and just try to out sustain the damage because if you go in with
like a lot of these heroes with the Sanking, with the Willow and everything, if you don't get the kill,
I feel like Liquid, they can easily reset with the regeneration coming through from Alchemist Alti,
couple of heals from Necro and a pipe from Ace, it could work out really well for Liquid.
It's a good sanking game though. I have to say, I see this Nekro dorsi line up and I see the sanking and I feel like that's the X factor.
Like if nothing to say has a good game and he gets to his timings, you know, it's gonna be an agg and I'm sanking for sure.
And he's gonna double down on his Ep center. He can just melt all these heroes.
Like at the end of the day, Alk and Nekro are not very high strength game heroes.
They buy art and whatnot like Nekro could, but they are very susceptible to sanking aggs.
tanking aggs, especially the early timing. In the mid game, these heroes are going to
die to tanking.
We're going to find out if nothing to say. Also, this game will get a lot of help in
the mid lane like he did last game. Let's see how game number two will play out. Nifteam
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write a new one. So you need some real power to run it these days man. I hope they do a
spring clean update. But otherwise I will gladly accept this new laptop because I need
one. Thank you. Thank you. That's very good. Very good. All right. Game two. Liquid looking
for a come back extreme gaming looking to just put liquid in the ground and out of this tournament.
Move on to the next opponent who reminder for everybody the winner of the series has to play
it against a team spirit who looks very good. That is a nice opponent to have waiting for you.
You know, yeah, that is a spooky one. I almost feel like if these teams don't show
in extreme's case, if they don't show they're good enough and clean enough to be able to
the two of us, then are they good enough to take on team spirit?
I also think spirit, you're you like the slower games where you
should get to play your style out team five people.
And that game one was sloppy.
It was long.
They had their team convincingly won it.
You know, I think spirits big biggest weakness is like the old
gaming style, the old liquid style when they were winning TI,
like we're going to run you over in 30, you don't get to go that
like him.
That was not a game where that was convincing at all.
So liquids are refusing to play that kind of style in this patch.
I mean, we're seeing Ace just go for the greediest bill as possible.
No war is right.
Yeah, that's the biggest thing.
We're not seeing the Crimson's, we're not seeing the pipes, we're not seeing the early
high ground.
I think this is a lineup that could potentially do it on paper.
You have Alc, you have Necrophos, you have Sustained, you have a Dark, you have an Oral
Iron, the Dark's here.
It's on me!
Dead!
And Ace didn't get inside the comms.
If he had gotten inside the cogs, they'd had to set up where they could have double
Iron Sheldon for a little bit.
He might have died there, but as it stands, he's gonna be shoved out of lane and look
at Tofu.
He's gonna stick around if army thinks that he has free passage back to late. Wait, Tofu didn't I?
Thought for sure he was gonna arrow him from the high ground hit a bunch of right clicks on him with the celestial quiver
They should be the damage he's able to do but no
Don't want to let the equal every of get control bottom too much Mickey not getting early CS with an alch
This lane could get pushed in pretty quickly, so you have to be wary of that.
All eyes on this mid though.
You have a Necroproast against a Sankin.
This is a very one-sided matchup.
I expect Nisha to absolutely free farm.
You should dominate this lane.
He's going to be very bad.
It's a very strong Necropick.
It's great against the Senthark or against the Sankin here.
Not bad against the Cleans honestly because he doesn't want to buy early Nullifier.
I could really punish this perfect Senthark.
I saw the strength of it in game one, but this is not going to be nearly as easy a game.
A lot of good matchups here that, like, we can abuse.
Nothing to say. Struggling already. This is getting a little rough.
Boom! That was a nice hit.
It doesn't matter.
Yeah, no, not at all.
There's no way you can win this matchup. It's impossible.
You're just hoping you can get some stacks in the jungle that you can fall back on and...
Get the ward, get the ward, get the ward!
Okay, you got it.
Nothing to say. Can maybe play a bit of lane with the Sandstorm.
Meanwhile...
They actually do manage to get the kill there, running down an FY, what was going on there?
Trying to dodge the neutrals, but it took a lot of damage to this Marana.
Nice little pick up for Tofu, abusing that Celestial Quiver, never underestimated.
He felt pressure to TP? Was he TP mid?
I'm not sure where he was TPing. Maybe they were trying to catch Boxy when he was going for the pull on creep switch.
He has done, and will pull the creeps all the way back behind the tower, out of Aume's reach.
Get a half-pole as well.
Still got the equilibrium bottom, so X-XS. He's not gonna suffer on this Sintar.
Honestly, pretty nice Sintar for him. The little lingertop gave him a free wave, and...
It's kinda all you need in some of these Alec matchups.
We've seen the ammo for these Sintar games. It's just literally four-position draws as much tension as possible,
Tries to give him much experience as possible to Centaur as Centaur gets Helmobind well
Then that boom you're free the shackles are gone and the poor position can kind of do whatever they want
Nothing to say trying to survive through this next post match. Dude fairly well early
You can get a couple more waves here dodge a few more death pulses. You might be in the clear
Yeah, at some point it just goes back to jungle right yep 100% you look for the level three sandstorm you're looking for
one or two stacks and you start going in there you're very efficient so let's not
look at too bad one. Playing quite well today. See what liquid can make at this
darks here now they have it in their hands not the same wamo combo line up.
No not at all. So very different style, raised to play through here but you have a
nice combo with the clockwork in terms of playing faster on the map. Give a nice
combination with Alchemist as you get an aura item up and he just runs in with
his timing can be really overwhelming. Great search target as well.
Nisha trying to bait a little bit, nothing to say, would love to get the kill, but
eight magic wand charges. Nisha may look like he is in danger of almost dying, but far from it.
There's gank potential on his necrophos. He is kind of low, I just don't think it's
worth going for over just stacking insistently. If it backfires, it'll backfire real hard. At
But at the same time, if you're liquid, you have to expect to bring supports into this lane for the Reaper kill.
Yeah, I was thinking that...
You can't get it on his own.
Yeah, I was thinking way more for Liquid to rotate into that lane, but instead of full rotation up to top lane,
with the Ion Shells, Minchiket, two heroes inside the cogs, they have one grenade on two, Arrow to finish shop,
at least Ex-Nova, maybe Aumay dies as well.
Surge, Boxy, he wanted to commit for that kill, while Ace was trying to offer him a way out.
And the end Boxy sticker around too long and dies anyway, so support for support trade off, which is fine for Extreme.
As long as Aume is alive, Deathpack threw in a little bit of work in this lane.
You have that Lotus still in your back pocket, so some HP for Aume to work with, as the arrow will not connect here.
Free farm for Micae, creating a lot of space for this Alchemist right now while you're pressuring.
The cling's not a bad MO for Liquid as, you know, mid-lanes free no matter what.
And yes, forced into the jungle very early.
Yeah, I kind of expected Liquid to go for this, like, backlaning they were doing with
Darkseer and then move the clockwork into that mid lane, right?
Cut the wait, then he rotates in.
He, there, one stops the Sand King from hitting neutral, so, okay, almost dying there for
the gank.
I expect Boxxy to start scouting the Sand King more.
Yeah, they're gonna scan him here.
He's gonna run in with an OBS and a sentry.
So this is where you want to look for him because now you have the Reaper online and you have the Catapult wait in it
So you know NTS is going to be pressured to respond to this in the mid lane
He does have epicenter available and there's turn around potential here. I gotta be a little wary
tofu feeling like
With the glit being used
He needs to stop this bottom lane push with the arrow he kills the seed wagon and with the leaps
He should be fine pretty hard for centaur dark willow to stop him from pulling waves
This means that he has to look at the kills way for free though. Yeah, it's a pretty big win for extreme gaming
Deal with the catapult timing, you're not getting Reapered here, you don't have a chance to power in.
He'll take it on Exnova. Got it on both sides.
And damage for Exnova.
Do they see Foxy here? He's gonna kill a Curry now, they see him.
Annoying clockwork that they'll have to play against.
Locking out the ancients.
You gotta get a vision on some of these stacks, like we know they're coming.
You definitely want to contest them this game, if you can. You have very good heroes to contest it, especially if you can get the Alch in there.
Currently has a couple stacks of his own, though, make a farming fairy officially, and
yes, gets all this uncontested to Big Winford in this game.
Yeah, there's not much pressure on Babe, like Exnova is taking the wave with no contest,
and Liquid just playing again to farm.
It's surprising for me, maybe I saw this old idea of the team playing through mid super
fast, abuse runes, abuse a winning mid-batch up, they haven't really looked for it at all.
I think that Liquid is kind of dead.
I think maybe it's the introduction of Tofu Ace, maybe it's a bit of a patch, they feel like it's not the...
You can't play that way anymore, but...
Foxy will go for kind of a suicide contest here onto the Wisdom.
Maybe Tofu can still get something out of this?
Makes no difference though, but...
We needed two more hits probably from the Marana.
Not good enough.
Feels like XG are getting the little wins here.
Yeah, for sure.
Cause they're not supposed to be doing this well in this arena, that's my gut read.
So the fact that NTS is as far as he is, you get to sit on a top with some solo xp,
you never gave this Centaur up in the early game, Zero Deaths, he's gonna have a fast helm.
This is like all your cores are kind of chilling right now.
I'm a dumb, almost done for ace.
Needs more cold camps for this alchemist, that's what we need right now, it's true.
Start stacking those gold increase.
They do have incredible neutral farming.
Because even the Swords can do it with Tofu.
They'll be able to hit a lot this game.
Clockwork can do it with Ion Shell put on him.
So if they could just push lanes in all the time, Liquid will kind of outfarm you.
Combination of both the elk and Necro, plus the supports being able to do something.
Foxy with his haste rune, runs into the skeleton archers,
Amé is going to retreat back through the gate here,
and press through the alchemist.
Here comes that epicenter.
The chain stun allows the epicenter to do full point blank damage,
and Amé is just here to take tower.
Nice surprise move from nothing to say,
hey, had no read on that at all as the Necros just been juggling.
That's another reason I don't like liquid giving up this pressure point mid
in such a favorable matchup.
If you're giving NTS some freedom to make some plays,
Well, I'm not that the necropos doesn't boot travel now you can respond but there's no response
I'll put that no turn around potential your damage is a little low in this early game with the supports
You need ion shell in these plays
To take those favorable skirmishes, you know
It's the kind of thing you wish you could like ion shell boxy and TV and in somewhere and look for some sort of turnaround
That play happens too fast
Look Asia
Pretty fearless man. He should be he should be fearless in this game
He needs to play aggressive. He needs to take space away from extreme gaming and abuse his position
This is a pretty insane blow to the economy. Oh, yeah, these are making this double triple stacks
Next you just not protecting this at all and
This is what you want to see out of it but stack and testing take it away from the same king
Oh, he's also doing kind of the same. He like he's not to get stacks
But he is trying to take some of Alex farm, which is a nice idea. He's taking the golems
And the repersite kill not quite there
These are still a death that's why no yeah looks like it. Okay. Okay. Just do something. I thought I'm like I didn't see the death balls connect
Yeah, that was weird
Central pressuring outcomes
Give it enough farm and that matchup does start going the other way.
For sure.
For sure.
Right now, Mickey with no radiance, he is not a threat.
Really solid levels on tofu.
Where'd you get all these levels from?
It's almost level 7.
I picked up the last hit on two different kills, so I don't remember the kills, but maybe
he got solo experience for one or two of them.
Must have eaten one of the shrines here, yeah.
He's a big boy it's not forming up and he should have still taken those camps. Hey, they're no longer Lornoff camps. They're now Nisha camps
hmm
Is that the official term for it?
Did Lornoff tell you that? No
Don't think I've ever spoken to that Lornoff in my life, so
Even though I've changed this turn in the Galaxy is doing very well
Oh, you're just so liquid starting to take some of those top-net worth positions is what we expected from the
triple
over fast farming
Maybe it's actually you should have been a little worried about contesting stuff here. Yeah, okay, you couldn't really contest things until
You know, yeah, it's actually online. He had a band playing now that you know blink dagger though
It is about time to start amping up the temple a little bit
This is still the part of the game where you can kill the necrophos. Yeah, you bring supports behind the San King with a stampede
That window will close pretty quickly in this game if you don't find those one or two cheeky kills kind of same with the Alchemist here
Yeah, and again, I would love this EA's just go Wars this game get the pipe up
Actually even a Lotus orb and just buff your other two cores make them invincible on that front line
You're gonna cause actually a lot of problems. It's already kind of looking like though
This is gonna be like a three-headed Hydra problem for extreme gaming
You have one big playmaker that can kill a hero.
It's kind of a long cooldown, and it's not guaranteed.
You really need some follow-up to it.
Once he uses epicenter somewhere, is he going to kill the elk, the mechro, or the darkseer,
who are all shoving lanes, who are all farming very efficiently,
who are all working towards, you know, it's only going to get worse when you have double radiance.
As well as games where, should you even go with a blink on the sanking,
are those opportunities going to be there?
As he finds an opportunity, there you go, quick little support pick up.
We'll bring the supports into the game like I think you want Blink out of Sancti at some
point in this game.
Trying to catch Amé, got him on the wall, but because of the stampede, the slow does
nothing to him.
He's able to run out and that'll be Amé completing his deso very soon.
So if they can get these epicenter pick offs and Amé's involved with them, we're going
to get a pick off without the deso here.
Okay ace return back to lane there thing and the creepy save
It felt like one of those games you weren't gonna find these blink kills and then you just find two of them
Pretty nice pickups for NTS that will finish the desk over the clink says you mentioned and now they're kind of cruising around the map
Now you have some damage to bring these big boys out before some of the tanky items come out
Is this gonna be a double radiance lineup?
That's a lot of investment in farm you lose a little overlap in the fight
which means you're gonna be susceptible for those those five or so minutes where you're trying to use those radiances to get the next set of items
That's one I would want to see XG strike if they're gonna strike in this game
Yeah, that's for me where the blink tiger is like yeah, it's a no-brainer right like radiance high damage
But these heroes are gonna be incredibly squishy one good initiation. They're just gone so
Stampede definitely helps a well yeah, it's gonna change the dynamic for the clink slot
I think last game liquid abused the fact that once you got on top of this clink's
He was kind of just dead in the water like he got to hook shot cog
Some random stun lands
He has a pike and that was his only disengage here
You can stamp him away you can reset how I can then choose to either go back in or maybe dodge some more spells
That's gonna be nice for him. I think last game. He didn't really have that sort of support. I guess you can search them
That's not usually the best
Jail card though. I mean correctly if I'm not wrong here, but like liquid I haven't used moonlight shadow not all right
You had a very early to potentially that said so much about liquids like mindset for this game like no aggressive actions whatsoever just
Nisha plays in there their side of the jungle trying to you know just win the farm battle tofu taking some camps here to win the farm battle
They're just farming anything to keep these cores in
safe positions
Successfully getting their radiances and farming with it and extreme
They got to be the ones to hunt things down the onus is on them with a pipe picked up for xxs
They are not to be trifled with when it comes to team fights. Oh, it was not going to take those team fights
That's where the pick-offs come into play nothing to say finally does get a pick off with this epicenter kills the alchemist
To being able to do that at the same time is taking mid tower. That's a nice bit of efficiency for extreme
It just feels like Liquid are saying, do whatever you want.
We don't care.
Oh, and Ami's setting up for a third opportunity here.
Ace is gonna die, also if nothing's to say, Tee being back, Barrow strike.
Once again, they got the Darkseer and his creep.
That's all Arcane Room for the Saniking, by the way.
See, there's another epicenter in 50 seconds here.
That's sick.
And this is, this feels too free for me.
Like, it's not that you're falling behind, but there's just no pressure on the map.
Liquid are conceding the entire first 20 minutes here and just being here on the fact that these three
Super Farmers are eventually going to kick in and scale
Interesting approach
If actually you continue to find big pick offs particularly through the same thing
I think they're going to feel smooth about the momentum in this game and it can quickly turn into all suddenly
We're taking a rush on because we killed one of your cores with this desert
He's got inside the Bramble, terrorized and with Aumeng.
Both between the strafe and the burning garage.
He doesn't actually use the burning garage, but still.
F.Y. is able to run him down, takes the Stampede, Shadow Realm and Bedlam.
He's got some decent heroes to utilize the Stampede.
I really do.
Sankeen likes it a lot to keep closer heroes with that best center.
Dark Willow sometimes has a problem closing that gap to actually use Bedlam.
We can't see him there.
Nice little hiding spot from F.Y.
Wait till his TP's back up and he's out.
They're very farmed by the way on this Dark Willow.
already has pulled this diller almost an entire glimmer cape
he's cruising in this game
i think you can approach already if you're actually you have pipe on centaur
you have the clink's damage you got mouthful wolf as well off the dom group they might be
behind it up down here yeah they're not liquid's not going to contest you and yeah i like this
dom may has enough damage that it's not going to be too slow this is the downside of just farming
if you're on the side of liquid you're going to concede some objectives here maybe earlier than you
you would like. Right, the problem may not be this age is it's going to be the second
Roshan is really fast. They can use that banner to go high ground, right? That's...
I don't know about that. I don't know if we're seeing that early on in the high ground, but...
Yeah, they didn't get stream gaming. Yeah.
So they're going to stop it because of the rocket flare. They feel that liquid are contesting.
However, liquid are not contesting. They're not contesting.
They're not contesting. They will get the pick off on tofu. At least they get something
for their efforts because I don't love that slowing down too much, but it's
deco charges. He's had more charges out of this game than he had, you know, go with
40 minutes into that other one. Straight back into the roche. Boxy, he gets found
on his IE. He has to hook shot out. Okay, that's a green light to finish this one off.
Definitely nothing stopping him now. They might even kill Boxy. Next Nova, well he's
got no daggers to slow down Boxy. Boxy's probably gonna get up distance. The wheel
doesn't quite land and oh the Cox doesn't push back FY
So now he's going to die underneath the wheel and the earth actually got taken away as well that he's bigger for
And like stream keep on getting these like little plus ones to everything every dark seer kill gets a helmet on creep as well
getting that courier pick up
That adds up and it's keeping the net worth very even despite the fact that it is a
Necro alchemist double radiance line up again
They should be out farming you on the enemy team, but extreme they're getting it enough early kills enough objectives taken
Let them in a good spot. Oh, yeah, they're done nice and early. Nisha over canceled
He's gonna kill. No, we didn't actually get him the strongman potion. It's gonna keep him alive a lot longer now
She came here gonna come and collect the kill. Yeah another test so charge up to eight for a man
Okay, maybe we'll get a sign, Centaur trying to get a kill, and they will get him eventually here.
Terrorize almost stops him in time.
Foxy interrupts that one. Hookshot in, Cox pushing back FY, into an awkward spot here.
Though I think there was enough tepees that they're afraid to keep fighting into Extreme,
understandably so. They just back up the farm.
Oh, wait, wait, wait, oh, we spotted that unstable concoction.
Poppy knows his under vision. The creep also spoils it.
Not gonna lose the Aegis here.
You just saw the litigation.
Wasted X-Eleven, this is the dagger.
Careful there, bro.
Yeah.
Nice play around the map.
At least Lyc would get one core kill.
This early game, we're losing this Necro.
This Necro close a super high level, by the way.
Because he spent purely farm, he was high level by a couple level 15 here.
That's a lot of XP between XGs way.
He really took that kill for granted.
Was it the shawl? I mean, I had to look at that. That was a level 2 reaper sight.
Just an extra bit of magic resistance makes the difference.
Oh, glimmertapes are going to be amazing for both teams in this game.
Yeah.
There's a lot of utility that can go a long way.
That is almost Nisha online.
Not with the glimmertapes with consecrated ramps. Similar idea here.
Will delay his BKB.
I think it feels bad to just go straight BKB here. It's a very good BKB game.
You have to think about the Alchemist.
The epicenter kill. They wanted the Necro.
They will have to content themselves with the Darkseer. Still got it.
Terrorized, pushing back some of these heroes.
No immediate response. In fact, Alchemist even called quits here.
Mikkei says, that's just more time for me to farm.
I don't want to join in some fight without a BKB being done, which is just finishing up.
You have to fight on your time as an Alchemist. You can't get dragged in the fight.
You don't want to join or you're not ready to.
He's very strong on the map.
on the map. You gotta remember this is an alchemist with potential island surge, plus shell, plus a moonlight shadow initiation.
It's an extra heal from the Necropos. He's got a lot of buffs behind him to play with right now.
He's a tanky boy with that level 2 ultimate.
Liquid with their triple item pickup timing. All three of their cores are online for the early game.
They're gonna make their first real big offensive move to kill Aame. Take away Zages.
Counter initiation, locks in. It's a beautiful cawks. Locking in two different heroes.
Aame's about to come back up. Can the wheel stop? It got two on the wheel!
And that's beautiful, with this Dampied getting on there, away from the Alchemist.
What a reset. Now Extreme, still gonna be chased down on some of these heroes though,
as the Alchemist keeps the Centaur within reach, constantly slowing him down.
Extreme gaming, this is gonna be a good whip, decent amount of damage,
maybe they think about coming back in with the Reaper's Scythe being popped,
they're gonna pop the Centaur, the Box, saving X-XS, they popped the vacuum wall,
slowing down these heroes, still being used by Exnobar as well.
Now they jump into the Alchemist though, and these heroes are so damn low.
So damn low, Liquid might still be able to finish him off, they've run down one, XNXS, trapped in a corner, no way out here.
They will be a third. Extreme gaming did a good job of fighting back a little bit there, but ultimately, it's just Liquid up a bit too strong in their timing will win the fight.
The irony is, this is a force that's such a good early game, they both had killstreaks there.
So the little bonus gold going Liquid's way, some of the streak won't be making it, some went to Ace, and then they get that big Centaur kill at the end.
A decent gold exchange, straight into Torment, they're very nice sequence for liquid power
of the Alk BKB, you're just running at them the whole time, holding this BKB, daring you
to commit for the turnaround.
And there is no turnaround because you don't have epicenter there.
You used it on that mid kill, and we're still on cooldown.
We're gonna see NTS come in on the second half of this fight, you get to burrow here
on the clockwork, he hasn't damped the damage, but with no epicenter they're just ignoring
it.
Like yeah, whatever, you can sit on the side of the fight.
We are going to implement the great strategy of walking you.
Back-to-back pick-offs potentially.
Oh, the Croker interrupted things a bit there.
Another risk epi.
Yeah, that is not great.
Aame did also get the pick-off on Tofu with the reveal of the orchid.
Something.
Big wins for Liquid here, though, in the last few minutes.
This is what their lineup wants to do.
Hit these mid-game timings that are just unstoppable.
Too much HP, too much regen.
BKBs are super strong.
You don't have that super scaling yet.
These are the fights that are going to cause extreme gaming problems.
And we'll see how this roche lines up because they did it super early.
This second one is going to be pretty quick here.
That could be really nice for Liquid in here.
They could be like, oh, thank you for accelerating this for us.
We'll take a 25-minute banner ages and just run down a lane.
There's potential for some fast pushes in this game.
It requires to really feel confident about it.
You've got to finish up the BKB on Nisha.
The Clint Stanchions won't be so overwhelming.
So if you can get to that BKB, maybe the sheathes can be done on Ace.
I could see it work out here. They already have Pipe, they already have Greaves.
You can potentially get to AC on Alk.
Yeah, you put together the double armor items and it'll be there at the 30 minutes for sure.
You win that Roche, you could have all these Auras plus an Aegis plus a Banner.
And what are actually gonna do with that? They have to just throw the Sanking Epicenter into that amount of HP.
Which I do think...
about that strong. It makes the decision-making for Liquid very interesting here, right? Like they
actually opted to smoke and make a play here. They moved to the Necrophos. Oh, missed hookshot there
from Boxy. That was like the easiest one to hit it the whole day. That's true. And this kind of spoils
everything here. All right, back to farming. Definitely an awkward time to make that play
when there's no objective fall back on. A little sad about that, but they should get your Necrophos
close to the BKB. But it does slow down both Ace and Micky, getting their two very crucial
armor items. I don't know, I just felt like the timing of that smoke was like, I feel
like you look at that Roshan timer and you see two minutes till it potentially spawns,
you say okay that's two minutes afar. It's definitely a little awkward, but you always
Moonlight Shattered to create some extra smokes for you. That helps a little bit.
Yeah, that is true. But that was a very awesome Miss Radiance farming time, that's for sure.
I leveled Tofus, level 12. Every single time I look at this guy, he is clearing through some sort of camp with Starz1.
So, raise to BKBs for Liquid. And obviously, I'll raise to level 20 for NTS here.
I think it's the biggest teamfight upgrade for Xtreme. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That epicenter talent get BKB on him your level 20 suddenly maybe this epicenter can just cut through some of the HP pools here
Particularly if you can land some chain stuns. This is not the same
Ease of execution wombo combo has a lamping game one, but it's still there if you get caught in a two or three minutes done
By senthar sinking it's gonna get chained by the dark will you can get chained into the wheel of wonder
There is a lot of potential chain stuff ball. You have to be careful in this game
It's funny, you talked about the difference of place off, for both off-laners, right?
Because XXS has just completed a heart, but he's not in the same position as Ace's Centaur,
because he's matched up against the Necro.
So as much HP as you get, it's only half as effective against that Reaper's Scythe.
So he's not going to be able to just kind of like go in there and be like, oh, go on
me if you do, you lose the fight.
He has to play more for the team.
Yeah.
it a lot of counterpicks to this first acceptor so you just have to recognize that and not play too
greedy not play for yourself too much play through your other course knowing that though do you
think the heart is still the right choice like is it a necessity for this year to scale this
hero feels real bad without it yeah that's fair it's gonna be a bit of a faster rush on not that
either team knows this that does result in it being firmly on the dire side which is to extreme
gaming's favor group up here and smoke they have vkb on the same king but he
couldn't get that level 20 only way more ancient stacking or something to get
there this early in the game over an issue he gets a vkb and he is a little
20 so nice talent for himself not as impactful but cool chair on top tofu
play oh what a pack step the mud golem stops the TV here he's gonna moonlight
Shadow don't the money grab one direction moonlight shadows then runs the other directions. He's actually joking up much of extreme for now
Nothing say just throw on blind burrow strikes out there
It looks like tofu is away and look at the rest of liquid
They are squaring up and they're gonna go straight from a damn vision on him
They're gonna hit on people concoction the wheel the box
Maybe that can get on the out of here alongside the stampede for staff over the cliff and away. He goes now
He's so low. He can't really fight into this one. He has to just go for it
That's the TBA Whitey Jump Man, should get it.
BKBs were used.
Extreme gaming, get out with only one support loss, honestly.
That's a win considering how it started.
That's a huge win.
Well, the Reaper was being thrown.
That's a dead clink, so 100% because the box was already used.
And you somehow got him out of there with the power of the Hurricane Pike 4 staff.
I do think there was an opportunity maybe to turn that.
I don't know how well it worked out, but that's the type of scenario that Liquid have to be careful
and you're chasing after the BKBs are down.
And of course, it all starts with the one goal, the hero that actually needed, but he has no dust, so he can't see anything.
Nah, that is true.
You start on this place every time you hit it.
Yeah.
Like, that is the best target to find.
He gets barely bailed out here.
Two different fights that Exnova has had some clutch saves, and it's something liquid.
I'm really gonna have to start considering.
I think if you had the level 20 Talon saying, hey, you might turn that.
Yeah.
BKB's down, you go in with all those epicenter pulses, you're gonna do some serious work.
But the timing was not there, Liquid know it, they're gonna play very aggressive.
Roche is available in the bottom pit here for another minute and a half before it switches sides.
That is something extreme gaming need to think about right now.
Do you want to force the Roche again?
Foxy's hanging around.
As long as he is alive and rocket-firing the pit, we saw how timid extreme gaming was about it earlier.
Trying to make a move on this necrophos, the team is not coming through the gate or anything.
Just trying to get a BKB or some response out of it.
Did you get the moonlight shadow?
Wasn't worth nothing here.
They're going to use the remnants of this moonlight shadow to make it go on mid.
Nothing to say.
Air goes out.
He's spotting him.
He's too far away.
He's burrowstruck.
He's up to the high ground.
Dangerous proposition.
Even with knowing that Ame isn't here, knowing that he's top lane,
Sinking.
I think the liquid timing is better right now, but it will not be in a few minutes.
This clink is close to full Daedalus.
So if you give him a pick off here into Roche, this game is going to become a lot more difficult.
Full Daedalus combined with level 20, nothing to say, that is a massive power spike for this team.
They're very close.
I think liquids still look pretty good if they can get the initiation,
But how did they get that initiation over the same king?
They got a stoppin' from epicentering.
They run into Tofu, that's very nice.
Not enough to do Roshir.
Quick pick.
No, it's 15 seconds.
So it's gonna change sides no matter what.
Yeah, that will almost guarantee Tofu.
We'll be back up and able to play the Roshan fight.
And that just means a few more seconds for Liquid's cores to farm.
Little 20 on the out.
DAT upgrade.
Lotus or Abnisha, once that, I mean you have to have the spells against the Bloodthorn.
Not much of a say yet, it's just the work it for now.
We're gonna see just how tanky this liquid line is.
They might just run into the buzzsaw.
They clump up into the Sanking spells.
They can start on NTS, that sounds pretty nice.
It's gonna be hard for him to disengage and then re-initiate.
POMBO is definitely not the same for Liquid off of the Darkseer as it was in Game 1.
That is for sure. The best play is Vacuum Unstable Concaution, which very much could happen.
It's not the worst stuff to throw into it, because it tracks the guy.
Yep.
I wonder if there was any argument to go like Sheeva's on this hero. It's game for XJOE,
but it's probably way too minor of a value point to overlook the armor.
What's that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, your whole team appreciates the ACR 100%
They really want to pick off into Roshan here
There you are not finding it extreme gaming are not even anywhere close to the pit
They just just left the yeah, huh? We're fine in the pit
They're gonna scout this roach the second it gets done boxing slowly killing with battery
You gotta kill this thing just a force extreme gaming not to play the map as much as they're doing right now
They're forming a lot
Nothing safe linked in there.
Oh got the bro strikeout before the unstable concoction, but ace is there on the other side with a vacuum
BKB has to be used by nothing to say the dark willow glimmer cake does not get off the terrorize
So it's a pick up but not a core pick off the way from a bottom. Oh
Yes, no BKB here because found all that's in the concoction
Mckay hits him with a batch Reaper side close in and he's gone
Okay, now liquid have the opening
to go for Roshan while Ame is down. It's not totally free because again, the
epicenter is very spooky. You have PKB's though, that's the biggest thing. You have PKB's available, you can
man up for these objectives. You're not gonna get bursted before you're able to
pop that, get the health regen going and turn that fight around. Without Ame, you
don't have the overall physical diversity target, so I think this is
absolutely the right call. I doubt we'll see actually contest this. Yeah, way too
difficult to make anything happen here. Nothing to say, it's already on the other side of
the map. He's going to push in that way to try and get his Sheebas for the point they're
going to have to take against this Aegis. As I imagine, Liquid will start mounting up
some pressure on objectives off of this. Absolutely trying to go high ground here. Your line is
built for it. Give Aegis to the Necrophos. Here's the slots available. Not too bad. And
banner as well, so higher on wide open for liquid.
As long as you don't clump into the big AoE, the fight doesn't look that difficult.
You're just kind of worried about some clink's death, clink's Daedalus hits going through.
Oh, nice, nice blind hook shot there from Boxy there, almost followed it up by Ex-Nova.
Does get a bit of distance hit by the Unstable concoction and he's punched once by Mikkei
twice to finish it off.
Give a wave up here as well. I'd be really tempted to just send it here.
Even just like force it back, you don't have to like take full lane. You've got four and a half minutes on ages, but...
Oh man, Starks here has already made his move to defend bottom, so it looks like they're taking this tier two and... getting out.
Again, corralling in the map as much as possible, trying to make it small, extreme gaming, it's their turn to try and dodge fights right out the map.
And play off of pick-offs, which is where it clings to specialty is, both the rat and the pick-off.
I'm a little worried for liquid scale if the Sankees gets to, you know, 25 basher or fresher.
I think double epicenter are going in this line of, at that point you're a little worried about your sustain.
Yeah, do you feel that way because the Ags for Liquid are not amazing?
Necro is very good, but I feel like Darkseer in this game is pretty whatever.
Marana's gonna build it herself anyway. Clockwork Ags, you know. Eh.
I guess, yeah, I guess that doesn't help too much.
Like, that's a big component for Alchemist lineups, like for sure.
My base does get spotted here, but he's baiting it out. He wants to take this fight.
They're already gonna make the jump. Necro folks, in some trouble.
DPS is here. Meanwhile, they're going on the centaur bench to abyssal blade him during the stampede.
Let's see if he can catch him. Hookshot over the side with the arrow on Ami.
Yeah, Tofu is killing him solo right now. He's running up down.
How do you use the box, epicenter, everything they can? And Tofu is going to make the leap away.
And Ami is still going to be caught by an unstable concoction reaper's side.
Tofu, the hero of that fight. I mean, that liquid probably win that anyway,
but they get the clink's kill because of that arrow.
What a sick fight from Tofu. He has the shark too. You look at the death summary for Amit, it's
Murana. Yeah, it's just 2,000 damage from Murana with nine Quiver hits, four Star Storm procs,
a max duration hero. He had his number and punched it. And look at the damage difference.
They shrinked 2,000 more damage in this fight, but it was a very one-sided fight. Liquid heroes
are so tanky right now. Amit just doesn't even see this arrow because you're looking to the right
side of your screen right here. He runs into it off the stampede. It was so much damage.
Back in real-time, Boxys already made his initiation. They said, any hero that shows up
we're making the go, wall, awm, he's dead. They saw Centaur and they went for it. Now,
Boxys still trying to hold him back here. This Centaur is so tanky. Without the Reaper's side,
it's not an easy kill. Liquid will lose much of their momentum hitting this high ground now.
It's kind of a double-edged sword. Yeah, they have no epicenter, but you have no reaper
Yeah, so just the fight gets really weird as neither team can really kill the big targets on the front line
Gotta respect these big ultimates. He's level 25 at 36 minutes though. This sustain is out of control
I mean they have to get him first otherwise these death pulses
It's just too much HP too much damage over time. I think you just pull them hacks right now. I think so too
Yeah, he's so beastly
So high-level so fast you already has the heart you pull him in aggs. It's doing a crap ton of damage
Him just existing in the fight will win you the fight at that point
And your options to all in them are just to throw all of your big a we ultimates on the necrofos
Which means if he survives in that pack buyers, you're absolutely screwed in the 5-on-5
Yes, at the same time liquid don't have any saves
Really don't glimmer kid for boxy, but they have nothing hard safe
Which may be something they have to consider in the future.
I get a Wind Waker or something.
Yeah, Wind Waker on the support side.
I mean, Tobe, who's gonna have the farm for it?
Like, he is...
I think he is gonna grow a thousand that worth.
Yeah, he's already built up fuels, so good choice.
Too good in this game.
It's gonna force even more Nullifier presence.
They only have one potential Nullifier buyer in this game.
It is the Klinks, who's also trying to get to MKB and DKB.
A couple Conjures Catalysts, that is an insane Conjures Catalyst for him, yes.
Oh yeah, imagine he rolls and he doesn't get it.
Well, he did get it here.
He's very happy about that.
Meanwhile, Nisha...
Ooh, his options are terrible!
My goodness, I mean, he would want Conjures Catalysts, right?
but you also would love to have the pension.
Right, anything that keeps him alive
is worth its weight in gold.
I think the Rattle Cage, honestly, is a little underrated.
All these heroes that just tank a huge amount of damage.
Sure, yeah, I mean, he's gonna be the focus.
It's gonna bounce back a lot of damage.
He went for the idle, so slow resistance,
his value, evasion, very good.
I think him being able to gain the evasion
against the Clink Seal, so that's quickened.
So you can go up to 50% evasion here.
Pretty nice, wow.
That is a lot.
Now, Almey already had the idea.
He wanted to build MKB.
He doesn't want to rely on Bloodthorn
to be able to get through this, which is fair enough.
But it's a long ways away.
He's trying to finish off his BKB right now.
And here comes the smoke of Liquid.
They could just away.
They're going to run, crash into X-XS, who was a high ground
board, actually stomped in there, in a stomp, and become in.
Here comes the epicenter, going for ace.
Take out that team fighter, and get a boxy kill as well.
And look into it.
Mickey went down a half health belt.
Here comes the turnaround.
These shots gonna start popping those death pulses,
healing up the Alchemist.
They can't sustain it though.
Yeah, they can't keep this up.
With BKB's now being on cooldown,
the hit from nothing is saying that damage was insane
and it was in our cane rune.
So the epicenter is gonna be back up very soon.
He had the basher for it
and that's the power of the Conjurer's Catalyst.
It just starts proc'ing on everybody there.
A nasty amount of damage.
If the Alch gets caught in that Wheel of Wonder,
that fight is completely over for Liquid.
They had to buy the clock, they lost the Darkseer.
Yeah, you have these death pulses
but they're not coming out fast enough.
And especially with a so far forward here, blinking forward off the smoke break.
And he has food. And again, no saves are even possible from these supports.
I think he's lucky he hasn't get changed on that. That's very close.
You're thinking about rebuying Centaur, but...
They're still the box. They're still glimmers. It's not that straightforward.
And that was with an axe pool to the Necrophos.
He had it going into that fight.
A huge upgrade for Liquid.
Not being able to run that over.
It does feel like this is going to be a persistent problem for Liquid.
A combination of, uh, there's always going to be, I think, better initiation
for extreme gaming and extreme gaming also have the safe advantage, where you do not.
Until Super Lake Game, where you're able to itemize your way out of it, those are
two massive advantages for extreme.
Escape back to super annoying a game like this.
Again, forces you to buy the nullifier.
Does the alchemist want to buy the nullifier? It's like a broken record at this point.
Nobody wants to buy this item.
And if you don't, you're like, man, I wish I bought a nullifier.
Yeah, yeah.
He can't disassemble radiance here.
It's very easy for Mikkei to pick it up if he wants it.
No one else on the team is likely going to buy it.
I guess you could argue Marana can get it too.
Like your options are either Wind Waker or Nullifier.
It's kind of the strength this hero gives you.
Her spells aren't that great, but she can farm a lot.
She can buy some extra utility.
Otherwise, yeah, you just have to deal with this escape act.
Man, think about if Ringmaster ever gets an access game.
And honestly, he has 3,000 gold.
He's not that far from it.
That's true. Double box would just be insanely debilitating. It means whoever you go on first gets boxed, and you have a backup one for the Reaper site.
Yep.
At that point, the fight becomes really difficult to play.
Oh, also just, like, even just a small little window means that Scamkey BKD could go off, and you have not, like, nullified for sure, interact anything with that.
So it's gonna have to be perfect for Liquid, that initiation.
What advantage I feel like Liquid will have is vision, presumably, as that's kind of what the clockwork gives you and the moronna.
And the moronna with the midnight shot.
You should be able to find some nice vision angles.
So it's all about trying to break down extreme gaming. The reason that the last fight went so well for that, they were set up on a high ground war.
For sure.
Again, though, I'm just thinking about the scale, like the double box, the double epicenter with the 25.
Yeah, yeah, man, it's spooky, man, it's really hard to play these kind of sustained lineups
into the ultra late.
If you can't hit that mid-game timing, they're going to try and poke the Roshan here, force
HG into them.
You can potentially abuse buybacks on an outpost fight if you have them here, on the side of
Liquid, and just wear it through the Ultimates, nailing at the Necrophos right now with the
Alk.
That is...
Extreme's going to see the Necro bottom lane and immediately make the push.
But Necro has already TP'd to the tier 2, he's going to join his team.
He has the big buyback here for Liquid.
So even if you ult in Nisha, that fight might not go your way.
Scouted here by Boxing.
Annoying clockwork as usual.
What can you do about it?
Absolutely nothing.
Again, every little bit of information, it's an instant decision from a both teams to
to go for a smoke play. Liquid popped theirs off of Boxxy showing some of these heroes.
Arrow comes out.
Doesn't see anything though.
Got to send the Alchemist in. He's your initiator here.
Meeting the charge.
What can the mid game find? He wants to find the Sank King or the Clink Splay.
The Sank King would be beautiful, but he's already blinked away.
Nothing to say. Very quick on that one.
Sable concoction, self-explosion, a little courier, a little homodom creep, Boxxy trying
to jetpack in, and they're pushing
a stream gaming farther and farther back.
The stream gaming's going to smoke now,
and they're not spotted by that rocket flare.
They maneuvered this pretty nicely.
Yeah, they really did.
They're getting around liquid.
Liquid's out.
Liquid presumably have no idea where they are right now.
They pushed up to the top of the map.
Oh, look at this ward.
The stream game's not there.
This ward is scouting right now.
It's the higher side.
There's no gem here.
This could be a beautiful opportunity for them
to wrap back into their own jungle.
If they could burst, they could back around to go for Mickey.
Here comes the stall. He managed to get off the chemical range, but here comes the epicenter, blowing up up inside of that epicenter.
They got him, and once again, they'll get the plus one on the boxy, and liquid.
They're gonna have to BKB, nothing to say, hoping he could bash. Now he's not gonna get that.
Beautiful movement there from Extreme.
I don't think I should get the vision on him. Anything.
Still out of the pit.
Roshan, available for the taking for Extreme.
What a huge ward. That's how you see a lot of things by Jem.
Yeah, like you leave these wards up, you can pay a big price,
sick out maneuver from XG.
Like, they disengage super well, got that smoke off just in time,
they played around all the vision mechanics from Liquid,
and still had an advantage going into this fight.
And the second you changed them out there, it's too much damage.
That's where you wish you had this game back right, it's...
There's no fail-up, you don't have the Wind Wakers yet.
Oh, look at this!
Mana from Heaven, they're gonna take this Roshan,
Grab all the items, and then, on their way, Juicy Amp damage.
Real Juicy here, Amé is peeking right now. Bloodthorn Dade Oestani has all the Deso charges in the world, now Amp damage on top of that.
Yeah, all that's left is him getting his 25, which he is so close to, won't have just yet.
Did get to the Sand King, so, and they got a refresher charge, so NTS, he's not gonna have to buy Alpha refresher, he just gets a gift it to him. This is...
Accelerating that timing by a large margin. They're down 5 or 6k and does not feel like it.
No, they are definitely the ones winning this game.
Right now, and perhaps for the rest of the game, you sound pretty down full of Liquid's late game here.
I just think it's going to be hard for them to all-in heroes, and that's what the lineup has to do.
Yeah, more tools for extreme gaming in those teamfights, for sure.
You already have eggs on this ringmaster. If they don't find Ex-Nova,
Worried about the Alch and Necro committing onto a target, because what happens is you go in with these heroes,
you have to make a very quick call, do I pop BKB, or do I risk getting changed on that?
How does nobody on Liquid still not have detection? I mean, like, no gem, really.
Like, you gotta make sure you're not underneath these wards. Tofu, Sponsor Sentry, up in their eye ground.
Here comes the wrap, though. They're gonna quickly kill the Dark Willow. Fox attempted. Sponsex Nova.
They're gonna go for the Ringmaster. Here comes that epicenter. Trying to blow up Nisha.
Not as easy of a kill as it was that Alchemist from before.
And still managed to X-Nova Hand to get the Reaper Scythe
just to make sure he goes down back to that dark blue.
Who bought back T-Feed into that fight?
As a dieback.
FY, that is not a great decision for him, a dieback.
Very awkward.
They used their fresher shard too?
Yeah, to refresh for an empty that never got thrown out.
Nice angles from Liquid.
Finding multiple points of attack, that's what worked for them in the Game 1 as well.
Just trying to separate this big A8 teamfight, and they're able to dodge most of the AP damage with some nice sustained BKVs.
Exactly what you're looking for. Now you have an opening.
Still at the center available because of that refresher shard.
You have to be wearing with BKVs on cooldown, but you have a banner here.
A big wave that's really gonna help.
Necrophos, not gonna be the fastest pusher, but with this many creeps.
It's pretty good. Speed things up a little bit.
You have a gem now too.
Onboxing. Pretty nice.
It does mean the siege wagons will stay invulnerable when it comes to hitting the ferrets.
He wants to go up and start swinging though.
Yeah, I don't think anybody wants to go up that hill.
And that liquid could have kept some sort of prolonged siege situation, but
they say it's not worth it.
Ultimately, the Dark Willows only so much of the team fight of the extreme.
I think XG, it paid if I told you a little bit here, he gives a lot of information for
Liquid in terms of the vision.
It's very different with XG, it's one of the first series you see if you're Liquid, right?
Yes, you baited in the formation a little bit, which lets you jump to Spring Master and
he has to double box himself, which is just a disaster for extreme gaming.
Those cores are able to connect in the exact way of the fight they want to.
We also saw, like, it wasn't just a burrow strike epicenter initiation at the top of the fight, right?
It was on a fight that it was already going on.
I think Nisha, for example, had already popped his ghost round before he got hit by the burrow.
So he dodged a lot of those stingers.
And there comes a little more scale.
Another axe pooled to the dark seer this time.
What do you think about that?
You get a punch.
I'd say the hammer, the clockwork, I'd say his is the more powerful axe.
And for sure, for sure.
It's nice having another stun. I don't think the Illusion is doing a lot here, but just being able to stun somebody and chain, especially chain stun them off a back initiation, it makes the single target back a lot more viable.
My question is, it's not who gets the axe, but like, is the axe better than you getting an upgraded blink? Or, you know, getting an upgraded blink and swapping out phase boots, getting like, true six-slotting.
I think it's fine.
Okay.
He can get Swift Blink into another item off of the Boots cell.
It's a good loot sell.
Yep.
But I also think that's a little easier to do when we approach tier 5 neutral items.
So maybe you're just kind of waiting for that overall timing as the whole game could go
ultralate again.
Yeah, if you feel like it's going to go that way, better to get the aggs away early.
Yes.
Get the extra Greevils Greed.
Still need aggs on those clinks.
Waiting for that army.
We still need that refresher on the San King, remember he had the shard in the earlier fight,
so he still needs to purchase it for himself.
So still some big items to pick up for XG, and it's curious, Extreme King, they're actually
gonna go for the fight, not wait for those items that they're so close to, but if they
catch Liquid by surprise, they had a nice ward.
Again, another ward that killed Liquid, they lost a team fight, like, there are teams out
there buying 20 minutes.
They have a gen.
They have a gen.
Okay, Boxe just didn't see it.
I got you.
Okay.
I love that he's still holding onto that QWELM blade.
Just in case, you know, he wants to chop down a tree and place one of those sneaky wards.
Nice reaction there.
So there's the tail under...
Yeah, this was the tail end of the ages period.
Breaks G, you're right.
They're trying to get something going with it, but literally they're not going to bite.
And they're sitting pretty on that Necrophos network.
Very intimidating there.
He has a...
Of course, that entire difference is in his bank, sitting on 11,000 gold right now.
Esho, what do you want to buy? You got to decide here.
Can't bring that gold into a game 3, there's no game 3.
That's true.
Wind Waker.
It is funny, like, the Alchemist game, right?
Net Worth is very skewed.
Talk about the late game as well, like, how far up do you think Liquid has to be in order for this to be an even game?
Probably about worth it hard now.
Okay, I'm not gonna say 20,000 that sounds a little too much, but it's probably if you did say it is right now
50-50 right on the money. I think 15k is like the even more
The thing is I think a lot of their net worth is not
Translating to damage impact as directly as XGs can right now a lot of that's execution defense like for sure
You can land some reapers and stuff
But in theory some of the counterplays there like how much does this macro net worth count for if you just get the first
There's no safe for him. There's no Wind Wakers yet.
That's not a big concern. Wind Wakers come out.
It gets a lot more dicey for extreme gaming.
Okay. I already have an old fire on the center, though, so they're kind of preempted.
We're thinking about that, which I like.
We'll probably come down to the Tier 5 neutral items, too.
We get that Stygian on the clings again. That's a huge damage upgrade.
There's more books out here, bigger AOE, could be pretty nasty.
What do you build like, super late, Necro?
Yeah, it's always the trouble.
Yeah, like on that obvious, is the magic divine ever good on this hero?
It's not.
Maybe Hex, maybe Wind Waker.
You can end up in these, like, mass dispel builds where you have, like, man to Wind Waker,
Octorine, and you're just permanently Kitey in the fight.
I mean, pretty much everything is diminishing returns here on out for Disha because he already
has an Agatom scepter.
Now, he's sold his Lotus in order to complete out a Wind Waker.
I didn't sell it yet.
Okay, he is planning to sell it.
Yeah, he's got a Q now.
Yes, that's the kind of thing how much of it when waker is a way stronger right in the lotus orb, but you're not gaining it in a vacuum here
Yeah, exactly and now it's like okay now what?
Swap out your radiance for something else again. It's every item is a trade-off at this point in time. You're not getting as you said that
Complete effectiveness in a vacuum you need when wake up late. That's just how that's all I know
This item is super broken in the late game. It's very hard to counter it with nullifier
even though we talk about it a lot.
Level 25 for the Darkseer.
Hmm. What's he gonna take here? Usually take the AoE Surge.
Yeah, most people do.
Seems pretty good with this kind of lineup.
You could just moonlight in a flake, pop that AoE Surge.
Helps your initiation a lot.
The Alchemist is the one who definitely has the biggest room for growth right now, compared to the Gold he's got.
Get that upgraded blink.
still has another item you can swap in over the phase boots you can cause the
clink slot issues with swift blink of his will you just get on top of homing
and start bashing and chain stunning him then you have to make a cause if you're
boxing him are you just trying to stamp him out and of course Roshan 30 seconds
here I find it so interesting the boxy like he's a clockwork player but he
He doesn't go for the early blink that we've seen Crit do.
He's just trying to survive in this game.
Yeah, that's fair.
I mean, you happen to game one, you happen to game two, it's just kind of built up survivability.
We'll go for a later blink.
Currently sitting in the pit waiting for Roshan to spawn, but that information, is that really
going to do anything for you?
Are you strong enough to actually do something about it?
Neither team wants to force the Roshan to go.
the team fight here into that objective. Oh my goodness, he's just gonna get a helm of the
Overlord. Hmm. By day, that means splitting up the map more and more. I don't know if he's thinking
like the Golem is particularly valuable. It is a lot of HP this late into the game, but I think
he's trying to use his Golden anyway, he can. Yeah, for sure. An extra way for him to be able to utilize
these slots. Mickey's gonna buy out another axe. Actually, we'll have all their buybacks.
That's a big deal here. Yeah, I'm very surprised that Mickey bought out like he did. It's not
gonna take very long for him to get buy back gold. I'm just saying there's a window where
Roshan hold up. He'll now will. He buys out another axe. Yeah, that's just... I thought
I thought he was gonna save half the gold. He was only 100 off. Now he's 2,000 off. Yeah
Who's he? I mean is this the clockwork eggs? I guess?
The Murana back to the Murana, so the refund so he'll get octurine. I mean, okay
I can see it though. Tofu is almost level 25. That is that low cooldown eggs
Triple arrow stuff like it's ridiculous. It really is game money
You put so much threat out on the board that all of a sudden boxing people becomes a lot weirder
You might have to use your early box just because somebody hit a 4th second arrow.
It's really toxic to play against in the late game.
He's close.
Arrows Rosh, take that.
XXS.
Only gonna buy back, but once you get a BKB, since now's the time.
This game is so weird, nobody wants to go in first.
Because you just feel bad things are gonna happen to you.
Spot XXS, making actually in Skibble concoctioned.
Thinking an opportunity was going to present itself.
More arrow, more store storm information.
But chemical rage is going to go on cooldown pretty soon here.
Got the woodshot, the remaster!
Man, it's you with the vacuum on top of that!
Reaper side immediately put to use the undisputed, it's going to protect him for now, but Ex-Nova's
not getting anything off.
FY is going to get chased down as well, trying to get off the terrorized, but the basher will
be able to stop him.
Aame, putting damage on a Foxy.
Glimmer, he's going to survive.
Here comes that epicenter!
Big gate!
Mikkei!
A lot of damage, they'll burn him out over time!
A little bit more damage, it's another epicenter, they didn't have enough!
Mikkei!
Oh, he finally goes down, finally!
It took a long time to wheel.
Caught Nisha in the end.
No buyback here from the Alchemist because he bought that axe earlier.
FB2.
So Liquid now, FB2 will kill the Darkseer as well.
But Nisha got out.
He saved his VKB that entire time.
Did not get bashed there.
You have to remember, he didn't get bashed at any time.
Oh, true.
Somehow escapes they got.
The ringmaster first, that's a huge deal, they got double buyback, including that zanking buyback out of extreme gaming, but will it be their Rochon?
That's the question here, no buyback on that outpost because he bought out for that axe.
Means you're gonna be missing that big presence from Micky A, I don't think you can contest this without him.
Maybe you go for a steal, you get a lot of vision, you have the clockwork, you have Darkseer back, you have a Morana who can leap in.
A on this, still available for Tofu.
You know, Vox, he's gonna go for it, he's gonna go for this, he's gonna go for it.
And a lot of information, Tofu actually jumping inside the pit for a quick star storm, then out.
Jetpack still gets the clockwork some distance, and the trees hook shots over the left, over Dinesha.
He survives for now, X-XS couldn't find his mark, runs into Tofu, actually hit the stop.
Nothing to say could maybe follow that up with a burst strike, but he declines the opportunity.
Almey was going to eat some creeps and trying to heal up here.
Just gonna man up for the rush. Somebody has to pick this up though.
Jetpack, they're gonna get information. Can they make that steal here? Foxy makes a four-step fin!
They just saw the ground, can you get the ground? They grabbed it!
They didn't want to go for it!
Nothing to say doesn't drop anything to grab that extra life.
Now Hookshot away, no, Boxing actually misses the Hookshot.
So ultimately, you gave up the Aegis for two support kills.
I feel like Extreme are perfectly fine with that.
It's one of those real situations where, yeah, how much does the Aegis actually matter?
Yeah, it does matter for the Clinks going high ground,
but if you get kills that also let you go high ground, you can argue me.
Like, maybe you're okay with that exchange,
how annoying this clockwork's been because he doesn't have buy.
He is off the map for 75 seconds. This Marana also has no buy,
though that is gold base. They don't necessarily...
I don't know, it is timer based. All right. No, it's gold base. They're right.
So they don't know that. And you have one. You can make an easy push.
You've got both banner and burning arm. Oh yeah.
And then a centaur. So this is going to be very easy for extreme to poke.
And, unfortunately there is his Tier 2 bottoms, they could get two lanes off of this push if they really wanted to.
Necrophos is gonna come back, he took the Wisdom Shrine which got him to level 30, so the Reaper Scythe is doing a lot more damage.
But it doesn't matter, when the Reaper Scythe aren't necessarily killing the Clinks, he's had to use them on supports most of these fights.
And that one went onto the A on this, didn't do anything.
Backing to stop the initiation on Nisha. They used nullifier for that one and see if they can caution the loop and late to get a big AWE stun.
It's the centaur, but they have to back out. Wheel plus burning barrage damage keeps them at bay.
That's a BKB for the Alk. They made the epicenter and she's a god too! Nothing to say! What a hit! Will it be enough? The terrorize comes in!
Nisha! He pops his BKB for the Alchemist, could not stay alive.
His supports are almost back up now, but look at what everything that liquid is expended. They've lost their alchemist. They've used their BKBs
They make a lot for another push. They used a lot
Still in the center available. They're gonna pass the load assist to NTS. He's gonna reach in his mana here has a full other
Go he just changed up the hell out of Mickey there
that was
Super sick operating there from nothing to say and it's that high ground ward
They place the Ops, they scout them, that port does not get killed.
You too, the vision to go for this play.
Still a glyph available for Liquid.
Heather is leading.
But yeah, they're not going to use it there.
And now you have to think about Megas.
Alk still no buyback available.
I mean, they get back to where the tier 2.
I'm pretty sure the Klink's had the damage.
Yes, they could.
If they recognize it, which they should.
But the question here is if you're assuming...
Are you assuming Micky doesn't have buyback?
There's kind of no way you assume it here.
He's an Alchemist.
at 60 minutes. He has to have the gold right? Of course. But most of that gold is on Nisha.
He actually had like 12,000 gold. Wind Waker. Dotson's gone. Nullifier placed on the Clockwork
so he's likely to die here for the Bloodthorn. Vacuum counter initiation doesn't do much here.
Again, it's only really catching the Centaur. Aume is vanishing to keep his distance. A
Harpoon, even if they do get him, helped some reset his positioning. Now, scariest is that
Look they're not doing anything. Yeah, they're not. You have too many resets with Stampede plus double box
It's really just like a momentary stun that stops the follow-up
If you catch the clink, that's kind of the ideal
Like you can suck them into the wall probably forces him to pop BKB and maybe Alkins jump and trade BKB stun bash him
I think so. I mean, Ami is not so threatened by his- I think he just heart pooped. No, no, no, to me
Well, hurricane pikes, right? Yeah, if he gets out of it, but at least then you're forcing some items on him
sure I mean what else is this wall really doing in this game a whole lot
it's just a big oh look at the smoke through the base
where did they catch me again oh my god
it's me slipping right past them it made the jump onto the necrophos instead
Nisha's chasing top up for now but the vkb is gonna go off now the wind waker
there's a little bit of trouble for extreme gaming can they get a reaper side
kill somewhere in here box one gets used ex nova trying to chase away nothing to
Wait, you're stunned by Ero!
Oh, what an Ero from Topl! Catches him as he makes a jump in, and now he's gonna be the one to get a repersite.
X Nova got chased away, they have the same people, retreat now, and Liquid, they need pigs.
A moment.
They need more than just one hero, they need multiple.
They're gonna get FYO off of this.
Just one extra kill is not the worst, it is a gem laid down, but the fact is,
they should know that the same king doesn't have buyback, an opportunity for Liquid.
Opportunity and danger on the same, there are two different sides of the same coin though.
They go for that high ground push, they might just end the game on themselves if they lose
it.
Power of Marana, you land those arrows, it changes the whole game.
That was a devastating arrow for that same king to blink into, now you have to multi-chart.
That was before the triple arrow, right, now it's on line.
I believe Misha slaughtered in Lincoln's for this play and the nullifier hit the Lincoln's.
Oh, I see it, yeah.
And so he's ghost- shrouded here, and you can't hit him.
It was a surprise, Lincoln saw onto the boots.
That's a crazy thing to play.
Yeah, that's the air we blinked right into it.
Insanely clutch from the liquid mid-laner here.
Look at the region on this outfit.
Yeah, it's just stupid.
It's just a battle of region against overwhelming DPS
from the Sand King.
And that Lincoln's just completely caught
extreme gaming off guard.
What happened in that one?
Extreme gaming have been winning so many fights.
What a slip up.
And now...
That play could have completely caught Liquid off guard though.
They were not expecting that smoke through the top lane.
Yeah, it was a good idea.
Initially it did look like they weren't gonna get anything for it.
Right? Like, even as Necro survived,
everybody was getting out and then Sankeen blinked into that arrow,
presenting the opportunity for Liquid.
Now Liquid's gonna get a fresh round of items.
They're going to change up their item builds a little bit.
We're seeing, you know, Nisha is swapping in item after item.
Again, diminishing returns on all this
because he keeps selling some item to buy some other item.
He's back up to 12,000 net worth on himself,
but it's not being used.
So 18,000 net worth lead is basically nothing
because there's just so many heroes holding gold.
You get tier five neutral zone.
Triple Minotaur horn.
A divine regalia is the choice for Tofu.
Tofu said, I'm going to have to carry this game.
You should be able to keep it right.
Pretty rare he dies unless the game just implodes.
Triple Minotaur horn to deal with the same king damage I kinda like.
They did get the Stygianon on me.
He took Light Steel for it.
Pretty interesting. I can dig it.
My big question will be, is there an upgrade here for NTS?
This Conjurer's Catalyst is pretty nasty.
He could roll a set of items that aren't really that much better.
Yeah, you're 100% right.
Right, if it's...
Do you think he should get the Stygian Desolator as well, if it's presented?
Yes.
And then should he get the magic damage upgrade?
That is a damage upgrade.
You got the Zune.
That's also interesting on this hero?
Yeah.
I feel like there's three items that are in upgrade.
You got a pretty better role.
I think it's either keep the catalyst or take the Zune here.
That's a lot of health chunk on this item now, 35%.
Yeah, but it...
It's passing along spells.
Yeah, it's a little more keen, but I mean...
I feel like that AWE is still very effective because the way Lich would want it to play
fights, right?
Yeah, it's...
It's everyone to stay so split, but that AWE increase is so massive, it hits to it.
Yeah, it'll take it.
It'll take it.
It's the right...
It can't refuse to zoom on this hero.
It's built for this hero.
There's the last axe, but we'll assume, you know, 4th.
into that clockwork.
Alright, have we gone over, we got level 330 on the clink, so I'm making sure we haven't
missed anything, uh, any big talent pickups.
Like so.
Our item changes, everybody's pretty much there.
X Nova did take the escape back, 25 talent, so that's now a strong dispell and blind,
which is important to scheme for the arrows.
That actually does change boxing someone on arrow.
And Tofu plays so aggressive off of this, with his Aon disassuming he's always gonna be able to get back out there.
Not letting Ex-Ex-S take this outpost.
And at some point, Liquid me jump in, not necessarily on the Centaur, but...
You don't want to jump that guy, you need to find supports or clings.
A Boxing with his Agatom Scepter gives vision of the full area, right?
He could spot the Ringmaster, they can make the go on him.
Three masters public enemy number one escape back to the strong dispel. You have to take out just too powerful
But how do you get to him with a four-staff glimmer Kate blink dagger Eon disc and who's sitting way in the back
It's it's really difficult. You need surprise angles or some like distraction on the front line while you take the
The wrap around yeah, I don't think there's anywhere
You just kind of casually go past the centaur, you know like you're sitting on one side
You could shot past him or something like that.
The whole team has to give it up and around.
You could go on the Centaur and try and vacuum the fight behind him
to catch the ringmaster.
Like, use that going on the Centaur as a bait
to draw this backline in from extreme gaming.
Sometimes that's a tactic that can give you some freedom
in the fight.
The thing is, you have to worry about the lanes.
You lost two lanes at Barracks.
These are constantly pushing in.
So, I want us to go back.
There's map advantage for XG right now.
And all buybacks are available in this game, except the ringmaster,
oddly enough.
And we talked about, like, Necro can just box two, back into the fight, plus, if the fight has already been initiated, it could be rough.
Yeah, it's very likely that she won it.
Oh, it lands.
And that kind of swells the smoke plate here.
These are so annoying.
We jumped!
Oh, god, Nullfire and stuff!
Like, that is the one hero that could actually stop you. He hits the Stomp and Nullfire.
Is that an opening here for Liquid?
Yes, but it's St. Pete, got the hookshot on him, plus the vacuum.
Everything they can, the cost, it actually keeps him inside there.
The burrow strikes the way to the side, the abyssal blade him up, stampede making a run for it.
Necrophos just pushing into these heroes. Here comes the arrow.
They're gonna hit the centaur.
Getting slain.
X-Nova's coming in, he's gonna try and save him from the nullifier's play stop.
It looks like he got a BKB first.
X-Nova surrounded by heroes. They're really grouped up.
The Reaper's side is gonna be put to use.
Then Tana's coming back on Anisha and X-XS.
He's still alive. Hit the stop.
Homings in trouble though.
Ace caught him inside the vacuum.
Ace on the ace. He only got...
He's good for now. A bash lands on Ace and that's gonna be the death of him.
The Rico from Mickey. Without a chemical rage, not so easy.
Look at the damage there for the Star Storm, plus these should come in huge, heaps of magic damage.
Bring down Aume.
They got the Sanking out. That's the only saving grace there for Extreme Gaming.
Otherwise, the buyback from the Necrophos does its job here on the side of Liquid.
Exchange for the Centaur buyback as well. Didn't honestly cost Liquid too much to power through this fight.
They bring down the Necrophos. It just takes so much time.
And that was with the Reaper not finishing the Centaur.
And enough magic resistance he hopped, he could be a menator horn at the end and that's
no but he almost whoopie cushioned over that clip.
Oh might have hit a different stuff but he's able to skirt out at the top but then he gets
hit by an arrow.
These arrows are just insanely annoying.
Star Storm how much damage did he take from these Star Storms?
It's insane.
Tophu backs out then he's going to come back in with another round.
Late game marauders it's something else with this talent like it really is.
It's incredibly difficult to play against.
the heroes' liability in other stages of the game, but right now he is proving his worth
in spades.
Now, Liquid's going to take another Roshan, it's a 69 minute Roshan though, so again
the question is how much do these items actually do for you?
The banner is very powerful, a refresher on one of these heroes could help, and in fact
you need the refresher for Mikae.
Aegis for Nisha's Knights, because he does not have buyback right now, he's just a great
Aegis carrier, how tanky he is, how difficult he is to bring down.
At the same time, if that puts you into the enemy base where I feel like extreme gaming,
like this formation setup, we talked about it for game one, I think it's the same for game two,
you going into the enemy base here is very tough.
It's really tough.
There's only one epicenter available right now.
That helps.
But actually you're gonna get everybody up.
And you gotta keep the buybacks in mind.
They didn't expend a lot of buybacks to try and salvage that situation.
Just cut their losses.
Just the one on the same key, which means...
Uh, the Centaur, yes.
Oh, yeah, Centaur, sorry.
Which means, like, maybe it is worth going for that kill.
It kinda worked out for them in that last fight, anyway.
In a way, it pulled the Ex-Nova forward.
I almost wonder if Ex-Nova just shouldn't...
Is it crazy to say he shouldn't try and save Centaur?
If the Centaur is buyback, I think that argument's long more valid.
Yes, for sure.
Um, yeah.
He...
Because he put himself really for it.
Yeah, he was throwing a real whip in the fight.
He wasn't playing necessarily a whole lot of box action there.
There is some comms in these types of situations like,
okay, I'm gonna sit on the front line, I have buyback,
if they go on me, don't over-commit with the ringmaster,
maintain your position, we'll play the second half.
It could be something to consider here on the side-axe,
no, because you are that important.
You know, getting four boxes off in a fight is not unrealistic at all
when these fights go so long, and it's a big difference compared to two.
There is a career slain for Aume.
Yeah, he was trying to get divine rapiers.
Which he bought Double Demon Edge, one for MKB, one for Dubai, which is pretty insane.
Banner's going to get dropped here. So here comes the siege from Liquid.
Big AoE, Deathpack came clear out the siege wagons though, so that's pretty nice.
That is very efficient. The same came. He can still get a Vistleblade, which, you know, adding in one more guaranteed stun, he could also get Divine Rapier.
He can also get the bind rape here and he can also get nullifier, which they do have a slight nullifier problem
like having it on the centaur it's not easy for you to
Get that nullifier on at the right time much easier for Sanke burrow nullifier, right one two
It's easier said that don't know it's always
You know, you'll just nullify this guy. He's leaping around. He's already win-way. It's it gets really weird really quickly
I wouldn't mind it here
I'm gonna talk about it, but the outpooled all those aggs,
Sonaya's like the insane Gremals Gret,
and he's completely six-otted now.
He has Daedalus, Swiplink, Abyssal, Millify,
he gets on top of all that, he's gonna shred.
Wail cell level 25 on Boxy.
That, the team fights are kind of crazy with that.
You have full vision of all heroes all the time.
Back to back onto it with the Unstable concoction.
Got the antithen FY, he's already forced
half himself away, a quick go, but no retreat.
Ace got caught in the wheel, so he's gonna have
the BKB to get out of here. A lot more expended from liquid than it was extreme. Those BKBs
are very important. Still poking at these tier three, I mean, just keep throwing the
arrows, maybe eventually an opportunity presents itself. It's so hard to go high ground in
these games. And there's not a clear way to do it. You don't want to sit somebody up
there. Especially with Necrophos Aegis, he's not taking the building, so it's kind of pointless
to even test that.
I think Nisha is now going back on like,
okay, now survivability isn't the problem.
Maybe it's damage.
Like maybe I just need to do more damage over time.
Or overwhelming blink heart.
The way you do damage is you survive.
Right.
It isn't a tough, it's super late game, right?
It has to be.
There's nothing else to pull out.
Well, he's plopping out items
thinking there's going to be some magical build
that will guarantee the win.
Yeah, you get moon shards.
Yeah, we still have moon shards to go to start pulling those moon shards.
Not that moon shards are terribly effective on their heroes.
Really liquid.
Don't do a whole lot of right-clicking at all, except for the Alk, who is going to
buy himself one very soon.
If you be baubled in this game, we have only the one on FY.
It took feverish, currently a 50% cooldown.
Or 50% bonus on the cooldown reduction.
Just the Bedlam attack target.
So I feel like everybody goes terrorize impact damage.
Yeah.
When is he getting good Bedlam?
I don't know.
Maybe he has other plans.
He's got Blink in there and Bedlam someone to death.
Yeah.
I mean, maybe it was the commitment at the 15.
He was like, well, I went to Bedlam damage.
Now I have to get the attack targets for you.
You could technically scale Bobble infinitely here.
The Bedlam at some point.
at some point. Well, you could take the damage and two. Yeah, okay, sure. That's what we'll
do. A thousand attack damage per second on multiple targets. That sounds pretty tight.
Could be. I mean, it really does seem like this game is in a stalemate. Okay, actually
you like the late game. They're both playing a stalemate where they're both sitting on their
side, their base. Both teams are in their base right now, both expecting that the enemy
team is going to try and make a move like liquid finally gave up their siege and they're
probably saying okay streamer gonna go for a smoke out now it's just both teams
sitting in the corner the right come on bro come on no you can fight me both
liquid and extreme gaming or counter punches and now no punches are being
thrown yeah you have to wonder what the columns are like right now don't worry
let's bait him in guys both sitting at two lanes of barracks or sorry no man
then liquid never took that bottom lane of barracks the thing is all the buybacks
are available. I think both things are waiting for that one core that was on cooldown. They're going to call it the exact same time.
There's no advantage to be gained here, really. Yeah, Liquid had the matter map, map state momentum,
but their buyback is more crucial. I'm sure. Yeah, for sure.
So they give up that that position. Still rocks advantage for XG. If they want to just kind of play the map game, look for some power runes,
look for Nexro, Sean, if they feel like someone can use A just well,
Well, you start getting into supports or something, you really want to give it to the ringmaster.
Ex Nova needs an Aegis in this game.
I might, I might, I might.
I'm not even kidding, I think it's potentially pretty good here.
It does sound pretty sick.
But when, when the extreme pushed outside of the base, fights are so much harder because
of this clockwork.
Oh, he's a bad guy.
With the Ags rocket player, he's spamming the entire map, but he's getting vision of
you all the time.
And here's no I work for X Nova to just be able to be out of sight
Don't stop
Nice, but extreme. I really follow that up. So they get the DKB out of thinking that might be good enough
He's a plate loader sort themselves
Fight back you miss a second
I second walk it's you could get these illusions don't really do too much die and the epicenter from nothing to say
Kepa liquid away still though. I don't go anywhere. He's arrowed up. He's never fair now the hookshot laying on the center left side
They're going for XG, he got him inside the Reaper site, he's going to fall. Now Nisha pushing forward.
XG's going to scrambler it.
Aume trying to turn back around, got the nullifier onto Nisha, pops BKB, search.
He pulls him back in with a vacuum on XXS. Tofu still hunting for the skill and FY, FY, another glimmer KB dies.
My back.
Expended from extreme, trying to get back to their base.
Ace not letting Aume get back easy. Tofu goes in as well, unable to get the dual scepter.
Blankens blocks that one, the arrow's going to whiff.
Double buyback, expended from XG.
Liquid, still everything available!
Waiting for the Reaper only pretty much.
The Darkseer spells are gonna come up, the Moron spells are gonna come up.
Rosh could spawn in the next minute and a half. What a sick vacuum.
Yeah, Scott, that vacuum was so good, even though you had no follow-up next year, just like, we need to get the hell out of this.
I don't know what's happening.
That's panic, panic, panic.
Get me out of this fight, stampede me to victory, and honestly, to have me piece of this game so far are the arrows.
Yes, don't have answers for this multi-shot arrow going through the flight at some point somebody gets arrowed
And then it's like alright that guy is gonna die
Yeah, almost nothing you can do about it unless a box save comes through which you're not gonna be able to position for that every time
Right, he's either getting pinged by rocket players so we can't blink in or he blinks in and they have full vision and throw
Clarence to to get him instead
Just a nasty
combination here boxy with the cheese stays alive and he has is like get me out of here
Tanks an arrow to the knee that'll end his stinking career in this fight
No longer an adventure he'll stay inside the face to guard home. He's gonna have nightmares of arrows after he's
You really have been a ruling
Just so much HP to get through I mean the poking with Marana late game is just
You're playing a mini game of sorts where you're just it's some sort of weird bullet hell
Where you're just always trying to micro your unit's positioning not to get hit by the thing that kills you
It's the super low cooldown on the triad arrow and the super low cooldown on the my shadow that makes us hero
Just such a nice. I mean FY is building for
The enchanters bubble because we saw when you this happened with high lung
They problem was not the the cooldown it was getting as many mad stones as he could it's tough to farm them up
Yeah, which is where hand of might is helps you
I don't know if you can get an axe, does it even do anything like, what even does anything
to change the fight?
More wind wakers, more hexes.
I guess you can get to a point where your spells have zero cooldown, and you can just
gatling down tramples on some of the chain terrorized people.
I don't know.
You get one terrorized, you blink after them, terrorized again.
The future is an interesting place.
It could be, could be, but the present liquid are going to claim another road shot again.
We've just gone ad nauseam about how these items aren't necessarily the most game-changing.
Just drop a couple of the overload on the ground so you can pick stuff up.
Yeah.
That was Mickey gonna take his helm.
Okay.
What's that, his helm?
I don't even know whose helm that is.
Here comes the rocket flares getting information.
Oh, Nisha wants his helm back.
Okay, but he still has the gold creep here.
Big gold.
19 HP, 19% HP bonus, that. Hell yeah. Pretty significant. They have all agonimus after upgrades, all shard upgrades, everything eaten.
Moonshard on the Alchemist. Alright, if ace hits the right kind of vacuum,
Micae could make the coolest play, Fallen Sky Unstable Concoction combo. Oh, yeah, that sounds juicy right here.
And here we are. All this power and a 500 HP tower just being whittled away.
43 damage ahead from range creeps.
You think there should be some sort of like ultra item coming out of Roshan?
Roshan like number 7 or 8 gives you... I don't even know what...
I don't want to reward that. I don't know if you want to go in any deeper than you already are.
They make the jump vacuum! Oh my god, the clicks! And Beck Snowbaugh couldn't get off the box in time!
He's so fast!
He died instantly! Okay!
That was convincing. That was very convincing.
We just got Rocket Flare? I don't even know what that is. I feel like that's a bug test somewhere or something.
Well, that's two Biobacks down. Only one available for Extreme Gaming here.
as liquid are grinding out the wind.
Oh, they see the Clink's courier with the divine on it.
Disassembled, but you can still stop it getting there.
You have enough leaves.
He's on the ride.
He's going to find it.
Clink's just going to get off.
Good micro there.
Stop the shield.
Now it's off the map.
I don't think you can do anything about this.
There's a little area next to the base
where it comes off of that high ground area.
Look at them.
They're trying to find it with the rocket flares and a ranged hit.
So this is a mini game right here.
Oh my god, it's spotted.
You can't kill it.
Once it's on the side of the map, it's in awe.
I don't think there's anything like a sniper or something that goes over the abyss.
Oh, it does.
Okay, well, the mine right here, no.
It doesn't really change anything.
If Aame gets caught in another insane vacuum unstable concoction, Aix Nova has played this
game extremely well.
I think that was the only time where you could really say like oh no
Because I think he blocks the centaur who was nullified and he didn't get a box off on on me at all
Don't think he got anything. I think it was just too fast
The damage was there at a smoke fight with no pies available effectively
Positioning the necrophos he pops right into the base arrow she was
getting a lot of information but they may not know enough of things looking for
this epicenter initiation terrorized went out nothing to follow it how do you
kill anybody in this game anymore as XG I just don't see it there's that jump
with the nullifier a little pick-off now the epicenter initiation go hit ace with
the nullifier but he's still got the BKB to make sure on for it the refresh he
burrow struck out of it mckay's almost dead the win waker saves him all my
He's trying to set up a burning barrage, they didn't get him!
I thought the burning barrage would get the kill surely, but it doesn't and now!
He's healing up, he's got the block of cheese.
The shield is back up, the Camel Courage in 13 seconds in all the meanwhile, Nisha uplines.
Hitting the Barracks, 50 damage a shot.
You gotta do something here, if your stream gave you the last epicenter.
Got a nullifier onto Nisha, he doesn't really care and waits it out!
Get that vacuum go for the center field
This starts here once again in this time it'll do it
No escape from the epicenter this time around necros does manage to get the blank way at snow but couldn't quit
You know the arrow comes through the star storm. That's a guy back and without that team fight
Extreme gaming are gonna have to do it off their single target damage
And it all those guys the wind waker cannot save these right here. Don't double buy back though
Will he commit it or a liquid just gonna back off is Megas worth it to buy back here
Are you willing to push the throne?
I'm gonna blow it on the right clicks
Arrow trying to vacuum him back into one of these arrows
A lot of decals
Caught him, got the nullifier on him, there goes the box though
Four staffed in, Exnova got pushed in somehow
Who did that?
He went, what was that?
No, I think he just went in
Exnova you insane madman
Bad man, he almost kills himself by doing that. There's no way he intended that, right?
It is late on the Centaur. The Centaur is no longer the tank hero he once was.
He's going to get the back-and-back on Ex-Nova, Ex-Nova, making a run for it.
He doesn't have box charges anymore. That's going to be Megas.
They have to buy kills here.
They push it forward. A five back, used on nothing to save.
Two minutes on the Centaur. A four versus five.
Extreme gaming.
Can they make the hole? That is a four versus four now, and they are landing on me.
Liquid. Do not jump back in for it. Maybe they still will, Mckay. He thinks it's an opportunity on Sibyl concoction.
Got the BKB out of clanks.
BKB on cooldown for 90 seconds. That is still a window to be utilized, mate.
He's just trying to take down the tier fours.
The tier fours are gone. The throne is now exposed with no glyph on extreme.
They don't have the best building hitters.
It's like we're gonna wait for the dark seer to be up here. Still block of cheese
running. If you get BKBs can you all in throne? It might be closer. Is that a
Bissell and the chainsaw from the Sand King? He's just trying to build a new item
man. He's trying to get a tenth item. Maybe the double hearts can combine or
something. I don't know what this is. Such a point is too much gold. I feel like we
are at that point if it exists.
I will say we joked about the Fedlum attack targets,
which was also pretty nice for clearing out
the Necrobook units.
Yeah?
Yeah.
I don't know if you saw this scenario, but that's why God
knows about defending the throne.
It's another round of manstones to be gotten to.
We don't farm this wrong this week.
Hell yeah.
This is the pot of every pot of players' dreams.
Level 30, divine regalia.
Yeah, but Moonlight Shadow is almost up every single fight.
What was the last time he even died in this game?
I can't even remember.
It's been a minute.
And it's been a while.
I think if XG could start the fight with anybody dead in this game,
it might be the problem.
Just take the arrows out of the fight and we'll deal with the rest.
But it's impossible.
You'll never find Tofu in this game.
No, there's no reason to ever be in danger.
When the arrows are in a way your wing condition, they set it up so much.
That and the vacuum unstable concoction, those are the two ways that Liquid...
You can also back them into the arrow, it's pretty much guaranteed.
Yeah, that is what's really annoying.
And then you're forcing the ringmaster to sacrifice his positioning.
Liquid do have buyback advantage around, they also have a 66k gold advantage.
I don't know how much that counts for, just to lay it into the game, but it is there.
Dota Plus still says it's a 93-7 game.
Hmm.
Heavily favoring Liquid, I guess, off of the Mega Creeps.
For sure.
But they're pretty advantaged here.
Hey, you do see that extreme gaming don't have the best heroes to clear it out, as you said.
It's like Bedlam is actually helping them quite a bit.
But between the Creeps, always pushing in, and the Rocket Flare is always hitting them.
There is no move for Extreme to make.
They can't ever catch you unawares.
Where's I think that's where that smoke up to the top part of the map earlier came from because there was just like
Desperately trying to find some way to get an open. They need some crazy creative angle to ever do that
And I think they're just gonna resolve themselves to defending the throne their glyph is coming up in another minute here
They will have the clink spy and the centaur by
Liquid are losing a bit at this window. However, if they never want to try and all in it without necrophos buyback then
It's irrelevant. Yeah, it's like you could win the game right now, but the fine rate your role on aim a magic repeater
Yeah, I mean by all of those
Hold your octa ring your a on disk and then buy for the mine rapes
So this is a
100 damage star storm hit they get you know you're potentially going to be a fight or whatever nonsense
Waves instantly died every single time this is pretty piece of right here
Okay, how far out okay nevermind sorry I thought every banner maybe they should do this every banner expands
but it caps out at 1200, so they'll have yet another banner to put into Extreme Gaming's base to start the assault.
Very good. Very good here. They're also just deciding what neutral creeps they want with these Dom's.
I don't know if there's anything that breaks this game, Time Warp War is good.
Ace currently has a Harpy Storm Crafter, which still has the Night Vision as far as I'm aware.
Extreme Gaming, reminder of what was set up here. This is the survival phase.
Whoever loses this series is out of EWC the winner has the pleasure of going up against team spirit to try and make it to
Playoffs extreme gaming if they make the comeback will get the 2-0
And what a comeback it would be from Knoxville. He says even extreme gaming manager win this
This will be at least the second biggest net worth comeback of all time
And you know who made the biggest comeback of all time Avery
team liquid
What was that?
Same liquid against ITB at the TI-10 Western European qualifiers, into the breach.
Well, they're always involved in these games, that seems their fate.
Indeed, indeed.
Double Divine for Aume, that is worth mentioning here.
He will have his buyback available, but if he goes down, that's just such a big damage loss.
Another block of cheese is available for liquid.
They're still ages for four minutes here and they put a
Harvey Stormcrafter on the cliff bottom as a permanent ward.
So he's just surveying the domain.
I like it. I like it. As if they didn't already know it streams every...
What's that supposed to do?
Like, do you even need any extra vision mechanics, but liquid is...
In case the nine rocket flares and the 52nd marana all didn't scout them that stormy
That storm crafter might do the job
I mean, this is the kind of shit you have to do when you have a lineup that simply does not scale with divine rapiers
Okay, they're sending tofu in
There comes the arrows
Next success does manage to dodge it banner is down there holding the creeps here comes the old setup onto that arrow
Didn't throw up the arrow throughout the instep of caution VKB commitment. There's the box
It's enough. Meanwhile, the epicenter initiation was beautiful!
They got the Marana!
Yeah, that's right! The Marana!
That's you!
You flew too close to the sun!
Oh, no.
Lost his life and the Divine Rapier, which nobody has the slots to pick it up,
find the extra successes. Okay, I got it.
Does he even want that? What does that even do for him?
No, I think it's really just to take it away.
Yeah, but you could have given it to somebody.
I don't think anybody really wants it, I guess.
Nobody wants to be in the position to pick that up, right?
Right? The risk is too high to go there to grab it.
And nothing to say, I mean, he's had so many sick initiations throughout this game.
And gets that nullifier connection on the morana too.
Yeah.
I think he would take the vinyl sanking, but he needs nullifier too badly in this game.
Having extra damage doesn't do anything if you can't connect it here.
A 92 minute game on our hands.
God damn.
And we're getting clawed back a little bit.
We still have some heroes without level 30 f y is being spotted by the rocket flares
He's both trying to get his level 30 and his mad stones. He's forming up that bobble get those mad stones
I mean these pills are getting pretty low cool down like a lights
30 second terrorized 30 second cool down terrorized
I'm looking at eight second for an bull. He's the next rounds. Will he have permanent shadow realm?
Is it 6.5 duration for a 7.7 second cooldown?
I think you will have it next.
Yeah.
So, it's gonna be like a .1 difference or something.
You have to hit him with an A and he's stunned, if he's your party.
Yeah, you do have an arrow.
Which they do have plenty of them.
No doubt.
But then you hit him, but he has E on disc, and you can't nullify your hand while he's
in the shadow realm.
You know what I'm saying?
Sure, man.
Sure.
You know anything that's going on.
You keep theory-carrying out a killer Dark Willow
that has any relevance on this late game.
Like, has Fythe done anything in the last 30 minutes?
Not the fault of it.
His hero spells are not that relevant here.
OK, you say that now, but in another 30 minutes, OK,
Dark Willow will be the problem.
All right, they're scouting.
They're sending the arrows in.
All that is just getting shrunk.
Yeah, look at all the damage he's taking.
He's trying to defend.
He's almost setting up the box.
He's trying to get back down.
He's going to be a buyback.
and the Divine Ripper's on the deck.
He's got to get to him, he's got to pick him up.
He's got to pick him back up.
The glyph hasn't been used yet.
Oh, but look at all the damage.
He's got to flip down.
Here comes the epicenter initiation.
Come at it, you get on the Alchemist.
Alchemist almost dead.
Another physical play.
Where's the rest of his team?
And it's just nothing to say he did all the damage
while Necropos got caught in extreme gaming's trap.
And it's not the epicenter.
Begany's going to get used.
And here's the Alchemist.
Here he comes.
Fallen's got Sons of Throne.
It's the Sons of Throne.
First more damage, they got it!
Liquid!
93 minute victory!
And we're going to a game three!
I don't know how the-
How do we always end up in these series of Liquid where it just becomes some complete late game shitfest?
But time and time again, they go the distance of it.
They are a scary late game team.
They get to push it there.
Taking extreme to the max.
you know the funny thing is like at a certain point some of these heroes that
aren't supposed to be such aching powerhouses start to do almost nothing
yeah and the heroes that are like complete trash becomes a hero like the true
heroes yeah it's like you know this piranha is MVP in the like right the
clockwork rocket flares like you can't deal with the rocket flares I'll make
this last fight he's just dying this 800 damage star storms nuking him down
your necropos is getting changed and obliterated you're out to barely all
It's always the supporting cast that gets the job done in the end and uh...
Well this game the supporting cast of both sides did a lot.
It's the legendary matchup. I mean two organizations that have been around.
Two teams that are full of players that have been here since the dawn of Gota basically.
And uh, well, these two old dogs refuse to die. They will push each other to game three.
3. Only 5 Reaper stacks on the Necrophobia.
Only 5? That was now tough a time!
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
He could not get a Reaper side kill to save his life.
It's not on him, it's the ringmaster counter.
Did a lot of work in this game, the amount of saves as you go in these late game scenarios.
It's just hard to like connect the Reaper anyway, you're just spanning death balls hoping for the best.
Yeah, there is some saying in like veteran experience counts for a lot in the late game.
Yeah, you better hope you have the better veterans in this matchup,
Game three, I don't know what game three is going to bring, but you have to expect some scale might be on the menu.
If I'm one of these coaches, it might just be another long game.
If I'm going backstage, I'm saying like, give me Spectre, give me Faceless Void, give me something that has a guaranteed late game punch.
Because I don't want to try and like win these 90 minute battles with having to land a Reaper.
One side's going to first pick Zeus and then they'll be like, oh, god, they're going to tie Huggins, guys.
The only answer that Thailand plays is Spectre.
The bobble-spectre.
The bobble-spectre.
The bobble-spectre.
You think I'm joking, but I legit think we might see some really weird draft where neither
team is confident about templeing out a game.
It's one of the other.
It's absolutely one of the other.
It completely tries to overwhelm you by surprise.
Yeah, it's got to be a 15-minute game or a 100-minute game.
You have to flip the coin and decide which is going to be and try and draft for that.
And just hope you win that debut.
I will say, I think NTS had a ridiculous game.
And he had a very nice game one.
He's kind of cooking today.
If I'm XG, I'm kind of looking to him.
And I think it's the same with the big liners
from both teams.
If I'm Liquid, what does Nisha want to play in a game three,
especially if it goes late?
Because I think he did run into some issues on this necr.
It's just how the hero works.
It's not an ember, it's not a storm.
It's not a traditional late game Nisha powerhouse.
You might want to go back to one of those
for this pivotal game three.
Well, whatever's about to happen, ladies and gentlemen,
I'm sure it's going to be a crazy Game 3 to close out this series, but first, we've got to go back to the panel to break down a 90 minute game. Good luck.
Thank you very much, gentlemen. It's going to be a pleasure breaking this one down, or at least attempting to, as we do, have Game 1, 17 minutes, Game 2, 19 minutes.
I hope everybody's ready for a Game 3, 2 hours. Sounds about right?
I mean, I'll be fine. I'm just hoping the players will be because these games must be exhausting to play like
So much pressure and in such a high pressure environment
I'm thinking of liquid like their tournament life on the line for 90 minutes and they all tight. It's a pretty impressive
Yeah, it's insane like
in an hour and a half long game like you need to keep your focus and find a way because
These teams they have been in multiple of these situations
But every game is kind of different like with all these changes in Dota with the neutral items with the changes
That's your five neutral items how they work with the enchantments and everything trying to find a way how to potentially close out
The game as well and you can see them try like with the helm of the overloads necro books all the chanin against
Bots to try maybe try to go for some kind of a play on the other side
But the a it didn't it just didn't pay off and every single time we see mega creeps
It's just got like there's almost no coming back from megas now
Now, there's one thing I want to touch upon first.
Did Tophu change your mind on the Marana?
Because he did make it look good.
You got to agree with that.
Towards the latest stage of the game,
yes, like Moonlight Shadow, you know, Triple Arrow,
like Aghanims, like all the damage, like it is very...
At the beginning, I'm still not sure.
I have to say that I...
At the beginning of this game,
which was like first 40 minutes or beginning in general.
I mean, I don't know, the lane was pretty tough.
Centaur was having the freest time of his life, and I think it's related to Demirana.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yes, okay. He slightly changed my mind, but I'm okay with them not picking it again.
Let's put it this way.
That's fair enough. Alright, so where do we want to start with breaking this down?
Because it was a crazy game.
I think one of the key points that we saw from Team Liquid,
we heard SPG say it already, Nisha had a really tough time on his necrophos.
Only five reprecise stacks.
If you look at the score, it doesn't seem like he had that bad of a time.
7-2 deaths in 90-minute game, like you're basically dying every 45 minutes,
which sounds pretty good, yeah, when you think about it this way.
But also, yeah, playing against the Sanking and getting zoned out,
playing against the double nullifier,
Ami did pick up one, Exorcist did pick up,
let's call it early nullifier on a centaur in this one,
and also playing against the bots, which was one of the biggest issues
knowing that he can't really go and kill off the guy.
How many times we've seen like the card save,
the box save, the stampede with the box
just running out of the fight multiple times.
I like the adjustments that we've seen
from Extreme Gaming though.
I do like the like one two punch
that they've been pulling with their mid laner,
playing around him and making like multiple moves
at the same time, understanding the timings early on,
playing with an early deso, playing with this centaur pipe.
And I don't know how you feel about it, Sid,
but I do feel that this meta right now is slightly evolving,
getting the Guardian Greaves in their position 4,
maybe even 5, and then picking up an early pipe from the offlane.
Yeah, I think, I mean, this seems like, I think, like, wonder on,
and the players are really stepping up is the feeling.
I'm getting like, yeah, I'm thinking of NTS, you know,
you mentioned the Ringmaster, I think Exnova was super on point
with the Spakals, think this game.
And I don't think we've seen quite that level of play in the group stage
from that scene, like they're rising up to the challenge,
so you'd love to see it.
Obviously, the same can be said about Liquid, so when these players are on, I think they can shape the meta.
One series can really start shaping the meta for the tournament, so obviously, these games are very long.
I think other teams don't physically have the time to watch the replay.
That's one advantage too, you can get studied if you play three hours games.
We literally don't have time, we need to play too.
But on a more serious note, I like the itemization, I like the adjustments.
I think both teams are picking up steam at the same time, unfortunately, for each other, in a sense,
because only one will advance, right?
Only one will advance. The question is who adapts better in the series, but within both games that we've watched so far,
both teams had many times to come out on top.
And I do want to again focus a little bit on Ace, because I think both the center are in game one,
and now the dark seer, Lacoste, we saw some great moments coming out from him with some vacuums that were incredibly on point.
Yeah, they didn't really have like the big Rambo combo, like Xtreme Gaming did in game number one,
but he did pull in quite a lot of weight in the previous game with really nice vacuum walls,
with the itemization like lower cooldown, upgrading his Blink Torque, Blink making sure that he can,
you know, get the value out of the punch and lower cooldown.
It feels like Ace is on the issues that we've said, not him in general,
but just maybe the offline issue that didn't really work out in the group stage for Team Liquid.
They definitely shaped it up and they feel like they're on another level right now.
100%. I think the adjustments that we were hoping for from both teams, they came in, it's not happening.
And we get to see these teams play the game.
Yeah, of course, they're exchanging punches at the beginning of the game, and one team gets ahead and one not.
But it doesn't feel like one team doesn't get to enter the game, and we get to see the strat, the lineup come together.
It's super cool to see.
Like, this thinking we haven't seen it before, I think it was super good this game.
Like, it did a lot of work in NTS's hand.
Now the ban from Liquid in the first game starts...
Oh, it makes sense.
It makes sense now, you know, I get it.
The question is, why does it take so long for both of these games to close out a game?
Or for both of these teams to close out a game?
Because it was so back and forth.
So, obviously, for both teams, things are going wrong.
Sing a little limb.
Like, you know that with just one bad move, especially for Liquid,
with the situations they were in in the second game is they don't want to rush and they have Alchemist,
so they can give out as many acts as possible, they can get the moonshars, they can buy a lot of
stuff like infinite gems, keep stacking them in the base because they have the infinite influx
of the gold that Alchemist is getting and at one point they were ahead for like almost 75,000 gold
and it's almost impossible not to win the game with that goldly. But we did also start the gold
It's just a 25k gold swing, nothing serious.
Yeah, you know.
I'm also on Fox on X-Nove, I think he played fantastic ringmaster, of course not on the
winning side at the end of the game, but he also was playing as hard out.
Yeah, he's been rather quiet, I feel in the group stage for X-Tream, not that he had a
port performance or anything like that, but this is a guy that I can really step up.
And I think in this game, he really did.
Like we got to see his spellcasting was really on point, early game presence, all of it.
So looking forward to see what he can bring.
Like he has certain heroes that are very suited for these kind of high intensity games that
go the long way.
I'm thinking of his Phoenix, for instance, or amongst others.
So excited to see.
Like you love to see when every player steps up for these kinds of occasions.
I think that's what both these teams really needed it.
So now it's going to come down to the drafts,
most likely in game three, it's going to be very, very important.
I think both teams are probably feeling confident
and they now both know that they can take this series away.
So in that sense, we're going to get a great game three.
I think there's no doubt about that.
So we heard, I think Cap said that this next game
is either going to be 15 or like two hours, late game.
Yeah, I don't know if extreme gaming can close out the game
15 minutes they could call GG in 20 minutes as we've seen against BB team earlier in the group stage, but I think I'm getting
More and more confidence in this team and I would even give them the slight edge because they were like slightly more creative than
Liquid in this one I would say especially with the picks that they did have and also with some of the execution in the early game
Like I feel like this is not the team that we've seen the group stage
This is not your extreme gaming that if you look at who they played against like they dropped the game against runeaters
they beat Gamer Legion, but these games are also very very close. So I feel like they really
stepped it up and they are on another level at the moment. Yeah a lot of focus for that other
level feels like it's in the mid lane with nothing to say also stepping up. A fantastic
Sand King game also makes me think that we already know that extreme gaming, they focus heavily on
trying to slow down Nisha's game especially in that first game they played. Surely Liquid is
going to return the favor also trying, you got to slow down nothing to say a bit. Yeah I mean you
you say that, but he actually played like a pretty tough matchup.
So that was him, like, playing from behind a little bit, like being on the
on the defensive, because thinking versus Necro is a really tough matchup for
thinking. And thankfully, he had some stacks and he was able to come back.
But it kind of leaves you wondering, like, what happens if he's playing
the better matchup and if he's like, he gets the tools to impact the game
like early on, because that was like, there was very little room for mistake.
I think this game is like for him, because up until the point anyway, they had this Blink IP
and that was really their only way back into certain sequences of teamfights and I think
he utilizes it perfectly. So I'm looking forward to see what he can achieve in the next game.
Like he has a very wide hero pool, we've seen him play heroes that other mid laners aren't really
looking at, like Sankin is an example, you know, he's famously known for his Bangalore,
he's tried Lina, obviously he plays all the Spirits, so he could bring a lot to the table
Yeah, he really could. And I feel like we barely scratched the surface of the game we just watched
during 90 minutes. What can you do? We're of course getting nearer to game number three, getting started.
But before we get started, there's something we haven't talked that much about in this post game,
which was the carry rule. But that's okay because we're going to listen to a carry right now.
This was a couple of hours ago before the series. We're going to listen to the game.
Whenever we let it out, it becomes our super power.
Now imagine an entire city being built to supercharge it.
Cadia City, powered by play.
Hey, I'm here with Mikkei of Team Liquid.
You guys are on the survival stage of the tournament now, which means you lose, you're out.
Are you guys feeling the pressure?
No, not really. I think we're very confident.
We had a team talk before, so hopefully things go as we talked.
Do you guys ever feel a lot of pressure as a team? Do you play worse or better in these kinds of moments?
I think usually we like the pressure. I think people like when the games matter more, instead of the studio games.
I feel like we enjoy when the stakes are high.
And I feel like historically you guys do kind of okay in group stage and then the later stuff is really where you pull off some crazy streaks
Right, so like you're just you've warmed up now, right? No, I mean, we'll see what happens
We're not sure if we're like 100% peak performance yet, but I think we're working together. Okay. That's a good place to be
What's your pre-match routine like on game days?
I'm curious about this because nobody knows what it's like to be a pro player except for like 150 you guys
So like do you have like a playlist? I've seen Quinn at tournaments
He's like headphones on stairs at the ground doesn't talk to anybody. What do you like?
I'm more chill guy
I like to go eat with my team and just sit and chill before the game play maybe some overthrow to warm up some
All right, how much of that conversation is like about Dota?
Not much I think we like to take a chill before the game and we just
if there is some
draft questions that my
Captain wants me to answer and I'll just not give him that but make sure you're on the right page
Usually I'm the chill guy and they the drafters are working. So I'm just I'm just there to sit down and play your game
Yeah, that makes sense
Do you guys think you're gonna have XG's number this morning because they're a very good team?
It's like a kind of a you're the top seed of this
Illumination thing. They're the bottom seed, but what do you think about them? I think you'll be a tough matchup
Historically we have done well against them
but I think in this tournament it's going to be a bit different because it's a new patch or a different patch.
So it'll be a fun matchup and we'll both play to our potentials.
All right, well we'll see how it goes. Thanks for joining me for the interview and good luck in your match.
Thank you.
Winners of the international team Liquid are about to face off against TI finalists Extreme Gaming.
You'd be forgiven to think that this is clash of the giants, but Avery,
both of these teams have been kind of relegated to the bid field recently.
Who's responsible for that?
Some would say Jouay.
Some would say perhaps for Liquid the loss of KP.
Perhaps the changing of both rosters have let them weaker.
I know I was talking to both these teams yesterday that's some very interesting things to say,
more out of a bit mixed.
I'd say they're in the middle of the pack.
It wasn't super high, it wasn't super low.
There's definitely some teams that are struggling a lot more.
I asked Liquid, are they going to make one of those runs?
You know, I asked Blitz.
because if they get over that one little hump,
of course, they just fly through the bracket.
He was optimistic.
Now he has shattered his ankle
in a freak stairway accident, as we all know.
I don't know how much that hurts their odds,
but he was still optimistic about their chances.
XG, on the other hand, asked on me,
why did he dye his hair blue, do you know?
I do not.
To be like Kez?
I asked, well, I said,
which hair would you want to go into, I would.
He said, tear blade.
So I said, did you dye your hair
to be like the tear blade or conigem?
He said, no.
No.
I dyed it for my boy, Somnis.
Really?
Because Omnisus blue hair brought them luck.
And so now he's gonna dye his hair to bring him luck.
Okay.
Perhaps it will bring him luck against the blue horse today.
Oh, that's actually a good point. Blue on blue action, we're gonna see it today very soon.
Micae said it, the players of Team Liquid like it when the stakes are high.
The stakes are definitely very high for this best of three.
You're watching the survival stage here for Dota 2 at the Esports World Cup.
And one of these teams will be eliminated after this one.
It's Team Liquid or Extreme Gaming, it's one-to-one, and it's the first two games or anything to go off.
We are having a great Game 3 coming our way, but a lot will be decided in the draft already.
already. Quick question actually, Seb, have you noticed an advantage that the teams get from being at the first pick or second pick?
I feel like it's somewhat even, but maybe you've seen differently.
No, I think it depends on team heroes like Rating and Priority. I would say that I still favor first pick a little bit, in a sense.
I think some of these heroes are most fans, and when it's the case, every time it's been like that, then first pick is strong.
You know, I'm thinking, yeah, when you're second pick, you have to ban Treant, you have to ban Lone Druid for most teams, you have to ban SF, perhaps.
There's a lot of keepers, like you can play versus Clock, or they can decide whether they want the Clock, or if they want, you know, you name it, like, First Pickers, Spirit, or whatever they fancy.
Like, I feel like First Pick is very strong. When you have First Pick, you also have 18 pick, which is also a very strong pick, we've seen.
like it's it's hard to deal with because often on 18 you see both supports so you have very deadly
like mid mid laner picks and I don't think we've seen as much value on 24 like yeah we've seen
couple of games I would say we're you know we're like you just PL and like okay I think liquid
experience that against Aurora and there wasn't really much they could have done about it because
the draft wasn't really made to deal with PL but other than that I do have to agree with the first
pick overall and I want to see how HG is going to be approaching this issue because this
is the team that historically under different banners like this team during the LGD time
as well under different coaches as well, Joe has been known to cook completely different
draft we are seeing a bit of a maybe not the same type of a drafting with maps at the moment
because they are picking some of the same heroes as well but coming into this third
game a lot of the times these teams they would fall back to some like really really old school
type of heroes like maybe just late game tbs faceless voids these type of heroes and shiver
i heard you laughing about something i saw a seb's face yeah he saw the draft listen listen
i i have to say like at some points i'm gonna have to take my words back because uh if these
teams think you're not like because if we're sitting here thinking is a bad hero and they think
it's that good that they should first pick it? Well then they are right and we're wrong about it.
So at this point I'm just open-minded to be proven otherwise. Maybe it is very good and maybe...
Okay to be fair we've seen it mostly on Ford so far. Yes and the odd one out so to say.
Right and he's had wins mostly with the R5. So maybe the R5 definitely feels much stronger because
a lot of times from position 4 you also want to be getting something else, something a little
bit more maneuverable, something a little bit more scaling damage, even though she scaled
insane well in the past.
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I think it's pretty solid. I think it lanes really well with Rerspirit. I don't know if
the lane is that easy against Drol Argo. I think I see angles for both to win the lane,
but definitely Aedalons are going to die to these heroes eventually. But it fits their
line up fits the scaling also I guess it will give them a win condition they go
for the timber so it's a really good timber game to be fair like besides the
draw like if the think of the draw getting jumped also or having to
reposition then the timber is gonna raise the green in two fights I just think
the lane is not the easiest for timber against draw it's not the easiest match
up but you know if they manipulate the creeper is well enough and ace gets an
early level three he could definitely run away with a very solid laning phase
It's four melee heroes, again Centaur, Drow, Earthshaker, and these are all three cores
pretty much, so not gonna be as easy Frog Stomp, I think you're gonna be getting quite
a lot of value, Hoodlink, Break Mechanic, gonna be good against Timber to try to burst
him down, Liquid, it looks like quite a lot of damage, they don't have much tower damage
other than Tiny, which is gonna come online relatively quickly, but Timbersaw and Ember,
you can't really make any kind of tower plays, especially early on.
So, seasonally, high ground is going to be solely through Meke, if it comes to that point.
But I think I'm going to give a slight edge, again, to extreme gaming.
I like the Timber in the sense that it's kind of a counter to Larko,
because the burst damage is so intense that this long side doesn't really work anymore.
And there's like so many stuns on Liquid's side
that whoever tanks an arrow or an Avalanche with Ember Timber, they will just explode.
So I think Liquid is like, well, it's a very enabling,
Mirana enabling draft.
Like Moonlight Shadow is going to be very scary to play again
when you play versus Tiny Timber,
because like all it takes is half a second and you just die.
And in that sense, playing the map versus Earthquake,
Mirana is not going to be fun for X-Trim.
So it's going to come down to execution on their side
if they can have a solid start to the game
and group up before Liquid's heroes, you know,
get their items.
Because I think once Tiny and Timber get online,
But once they get hard to kill and they have enough damage to like burst heroes down,
it's pretty tough to play for Xtreme in my opinion.
Is this game gonna last as long as the other two?
Well, that is an impossible question to answer.
For the players' sake, I hope not.
And for ours, well, I hope yes, but we'll have to see.
Yeah, we're gonna grab some popcorns, get hydrated because it seems like...
What the game number one and game number two, we're also going to be having a long game number three.
I'm looking forward to it and we're going to have a blast, especially with the voices of Cap and SVG.
Two kinds, even that's right. We're here for a game three of extreme gaming and
Liquid, the series has been a full banger so far and all we hope is we get a suit in Climax
here in game three, but the drafts have changed, Shabry. Has the momentum, has the tempo of the
game changed are we going to see a 60 80 90 minute fest or this is just gonna be
some good old-fashioned early to 20 to 30 minute brawl because that's what it
looks like to me there's a lot of rolling in this game could be another
sloppy one I think the series if you ask both teams have we played clean Dota
they'd probably say no it's been a messy series overall it's gonna start real
messy with Mickey's blood all over the ground he is beating it up do you give
first one and that is to army there's an argument you get the center there for
like faster home she's already in but if I may once it he's got you can't refuse
nothing to say wasn't there for the kill which obviously you made later it's
usually one and yet he still found something he found boxy's courier which
I didn't see an early sacrifice to the blood gods I guess so there's already
enough blood on the deck but apparently they needed just a little bit more boxy's
courier has a rough life being thrown to the wolves. This could be a very bloody game.
This is a lineup from Liquid that we saw them play with the quelling blade, not to be caught
unaware. We saw them play this exact type of lineup the other day. The tiny Earthspear
and Marana-Ember combination. It was a different off-laner for Ace, but functions, it's going
to be the exact same here. That is a huge amount of chains done, a huge amount of pick-off
potential. Big threat across the map very quickly with the mobility here.
It could be difficult to shove the waves out. That was the biggest issue in the game.
You just couldn't get the lanes and Zom is gonna take an arrow to the knee but he
will still get through the gate here. So that's a concern for XG. Like how do you
play the map? How do you not feed bad kills and then just have that momentum
filled really quickly? Lanes don't really matter for this kind of draft
a little bit. They just need levels. They just need to get to the part of the game
where they can start rolling on people. Tiny can enter the game. You can get
blink dagger on Tiny. You get shadow blade on Tiny. You get a vessel on Ember. You
just running to people this game can snowball really quickly so if you're
actually you need to get as much out of the same phase as you can slow this line
up down as much as possible and get the lanes in safely I think it's a game you
definitely want helmet on the near on Sunthar just for lane pressure so you
don't have to show and you want to get really bad on this drought so you can
start on a presence this game outside of just being a meat body to get rolled on
because there's a lot of heroes that just roll in from this liquid squad yeah
you say lanes won't matter as much for liquid it's a good thing too because
aren't they set up to lose all three lanes potentially?
Not very likely.
Not a massive amount, but I feel like every single one
has an edge for Extreme.
For sure, it's a whole lane top with the double melee
against the Drow.
The Shaker's going to win mid against the Ember.
NTS had a nice time in that in game one.
And the Synthar should do completely fine down here
against Maron and support.
So I do expect XG to have a better time here
in the first 10 minutes.
But again, I don't think this liquid draft really cares too
much.
They just want to get levels.
If anything, I think they'd be happy trading some net worth
to win the Wisdom Shrine exchange.
Pump these heroes up.
They can play through Ember.
This draft will look great,
and we saw what the Esha Ember can do.
This is annoying, man.
Clown Blade plus Tree Throw for Micae.
A Clown Blade on the Marana,
like they're just gonna cover each other,
unless you get both in a Bushwack.
The Bushwack's never gonna last for long.
Start with Senthar Stun, maybe.
Yeah, maybe. Any other options?
I like seeing the Shaker come back.
I think FTS performed on it pretty well in that game one,
And it was a solid answer to the Ember.
And he had a good time with it.
And they didn't have one of them here, so...
I guess you could say, you know...
Why fix what's not broken here?
I would say Isha had, um...
It was rough for him in that Ember Spirit game.
He started off in a position where he's losing lane against the Earthshaker.
And I think he eventually did what he could on the hero.
Uh, but...
Ultimately, he wasn't able to accomplish much of what he wanted to,
which is assassinating those supports.
He eventually got there.
It's just delayed.
Maybe Largo's a weird hero for December to play into.
So if you get at least one item and you're a little tanky, it's very hard to support to assassinate with the constant disbells.
And how tanky you can be.
I do like the Largo into the Ember matchup.
The hoodwink you should be able to catch.
As Nimble as the hoodwink is, I immerse one of those heroes and can just slice him down.
You have an infantry chase.
And I have a pretty good time here in the second half of this early phase.
Winning the regen trade at least even if NTS is winning the CS battle yeah
I wonder what changed because we saw it in the first half of the landing phase
he was doing a lot of harassment to nothing to say and you know get what he
could and then the bottle comes in and everything changed now Nisha is keeping
up the pressure post-bottle. NTS committed a decent amount of the
echo hits into some extra disguise which is why his CS is looking off but that
does mean Nisha got some favorable trades out of it. If he gets a four minute
water room he'll be safe here. Nisha might call for this to get denied you
could rotate a support over and try and take this away from NTS will be a big
victory or you can glyph and dive him here. I don't know if you can snag this
kill though you just don't have the resources for it. Another wave is coming in
here comes the hoodwink though trying to secure that water room Nisha might still
be able to take it. He doesn't want to take that 1v2 might slight steal it.
Oh...
Steals it away from nothing to say.
That's huge.
And he's going to get the one on the other side too.
You've got to go to base knock here in TS, so...
Hilbas may have to...
most of that wave.
Except the firstly since you pulled that far.
You got that.
You've got the experience laid off all these denies but now it's going to go back to even right?
Should...
Three levels of experience for SG, but, I mean his lane phase so...
what does that really mean?
Can you pull Waves top? They've done decent dodge.
Decent time dodging Homie up here who did have that first blood, gold very fast treads for him.
And he is quite scary against these melee heroes.
If you end up in a chased out situation, you're just dead.
So you need to be careful that you don't waste the Timber Chain, waste the roll in a bad situation.
Feed an extra kill up here.
Look towards that six minute power room.
It's gonna be a big one for these two midlaners.
And same goes for the Wisdom Shines soon after, right?
Ember's spear is very good, playing on the enemy side, so something extreme gamer gonna have to play around here.
Now there's that Jason down, finally boxed, and will be punished for all this lane pulling. You knew it was gonna happen eventually.
I felt someone was gonna die here at some point.
I give an early boots on the LARG, you have the early treads on the drought, too much early gold injection.
It's just too easy to run these heroes down if you're not worried about any sort of threat during that play around.
Strong start for the lanes here for extreme gaming.
Not as good on this mid as the game one.
I think that's something Liquid can look to play around a little bit more.
Because they got botting and that's been laying down.
That lane chain to roll into arrow!
Nice chain-stun combination!
See you kill Boxy!
Well, guess what?
That's an opportunity for Boxy to rotate to another lane.
Gets the kill on bottom and now him and Tofu can make the move to the power runes.
In 20 seconds there's that catchy lid counter play.
I'm surprised they had enough damage for that.
That Tiny getting the job done here.
extra new power. Fyke getting stacks up, looking for a contest. They're gonna contest top as well.
Everybody wants this rune and you're not gonna slight take it a second time, NTS.
Hold on, Kanisha, who's still level six. This year's gonna block him out and activate the
flame guard now. He's got a fairy fire, but man, he's just been body blocked so heavily
that physical damage might be the end of him. Another enchant told him, trying to dodge away
from that one, get hit by the stun and there's the full shape blow. On the other side, the two
Two supports did play up against that line of 1v2, so they got that support kill, but
obviously much better for extreme gaming.
Oh, yeah, especially since it was a regen, you just come back to full here.
At least you got the Remnant out, I guess.
You can just Remnant back in.
Yeah.
He takes Nisha some time, but not what he was looking for on that exchange.
And FYI, did get the stacks up on the triangle.
So you could have this nice epicenter, or not a Echo Slam, something I was saying here.
Yeah.
Or you could use it to steal some stacks, perception.
Yeah, and Nisha now has to clean up this mid wave, which means a free opportunity to
for Extreme Gaming to go. He saw us tip you though. Take the Wisdom Shrine. Yeah, he can
be here. Liquid are going to spot it early. Face on the run, push, whack, pulls him back
in. Manifest your chain stun. He's going to try and chamber chamber their Echo Slam
to ensure it's now on the other side. They do have a 2v1, the two supports, but X-XS
is a tanky hero to bring down. Extreme Gaming can get both here. X-XS by himself was staying
alive against the two, but with the rotations coming through, Extreme Gaming almost got
the lick. That's a big win for XG. I think that was the biggest objective for me for
Liquid in this early game, right? I talked about the importance of the XP, the levels
on these heroes. You get neither that just really, really slows down your entry into
this mid-game. Yeah, the best support to get level six in this game is gotta be Hoodwink,
right? That's a game changer. Oh yeah, you got a fast sharpshooter in here. You're gonna
start bringing some scores down. That slows the game down even further. Stacks are still
going to be built up here. So all eyes on maybe 8 and 10 minute power room, try and get something
good for this Ember, haste or an amp damage or something that you can run into this Shaker with.
If you let nothing to say get some cheeky kills with this, Echo Slam and he gets to reset the
cooldown for free, not going to feel good about it. Well played, early bush whack,
stomps him for being able to go for the slight steal, and then they also killed the Flame Guard,
and now they're going to clear through the stack. Easy for nothing to say. That feels pretty nice.
As liquid supports, they're just watching it happen.
I mean, they have almost no firepower right here.
A very greedy support duo in some ways.
For sure.
Like, you need a lot of time to come online with this support duo.
It will pay off eventually, but you're gonna pay a big price in these early skirmishes.
You're just food.
Catching leg now to finish here, and Boxy kicks away, rolls out, blood grenade is kicking
him down, though.
Tango will outheal it barely.
Space created.
Nisha's doing the same, I'm trying to steal stacks on the other side of the sling guard,
Look at the pressure going to Ace though, Aume so far and so high level, he's just tanking the tower.
They're threatening to backstab Ace once again, does it? That's your one, man.
Nine minutes, they're gonna cliff it out, okay, sure, but it's still dead here.
Man, this is great.
It's before the Timbersaw is like a solo threat with this Chakram.
Yeah, it feels really nice to set it back like this because then you just can't enter the lane.
You take his tower, and he's not the greatest jungler, like this isn't the hero you want a jungler with, you can.
But you want to be running an opponent, so you want to be killing them with your ultimate.
They were relentless.
Look at him go.
He's going to be farming over here, eh?
So you got any stacks?
What's going on?
I like the idea.
Continue to punish him.
He's the lowest net worth core in this game.
He doesn't have an easy way back into it because some of the stacks have to go to the
Ember spear here.
He's got a farm under your tier two.
This frees up some space for XG to get in the triangle.
They can rotate Aume into mid if they really want to look for some early teamfights.
And where's the shaker?
Very close to blink, has Ekoslam back available. Maybe they wait a couple extra hundred gold on NTS.
Gives you a big opening on the mid lane.
Ami's gonna hang around, look for 10 minute power room.
So it's costing him a little time here.
Could pay off.
Nisha activates his shield rune.
It gets quickly catchin' like, now it gets silenced up, uh oh!
Nisha, he has to run them out, and he only needs a moment to be able to jump away to it.
And that is where Mika and Tofu, they were set up.
They catch nothing to say at the same time as Nisha comes back in for some much needed experience and finish off those phase boots.
Now what a turnaround. Just getting up that cliff meant all the difference there.
And then you're able to burst the shaker down before he pops that big wand, fairy fire.
Still a couple hundred octs off the blink.
Nice turnaround from the liquid. Gets to hold this mid lane. If you lose heroes there, you can just lose his tower off the catapult timing.
Or at least it's going to take a lot of damage.
You get the arrow here for free and you get some experience for your support super important here
Little deep vision
I was trying to free up this camp
But they got some nice rewards around top that I'll make them continue to play aggressively around
And the stacks are still being built up a little bit here
And we've heard the players talk about the safe lane dominance, now off-laners, currently
have a hard time being able to play lane so often, and we're seeing some teams really
trying to exploit that more and more, right?
Extend that laning phase, extend that safe lane dominance.
And here, extract it, and it's why we need it there.
Yeah.
Those kind of aggressive wards are designed to do just that, but at some point, you have
to stop him and think about the other side here and that's what Ami's gonna do.
Ami actually gonna bring the shaker bottom. He has his blink.
He's so tanky though. He has a lot of armor and Ami's in kind of a no man's land.
I'll pull back to your magnetic grip plus that is beautiful. Still Moonlight
Shadow for a while here. The Fisher's gonna fire before the Moonlight Shadow
does so extreme gaming get nothing for that I'm I can't believe that liquid
just not even blinking at these moves no attempt to try and almost got it off the
catchy leg now the catchy lick has been used
Nisha's like okay well now Flameguard and my haste room can go in or uninterrupted
I promise damage over time little tough to kill Largo quickly you're doing it
just get in the empty ankle Sam response now the bush whack beautiful stuff
Nisha, though, survives. He had enough HP to rend it out.
And a Haster. He was ever at a risk of dying there.
Nice turnaround kill from NTS. You get that bottom tower for free anyway,
off of the Kulami gate rotation, but that's a lot of recovery time for Liquid.
I think they won that exchange overall.
The Timber got to push out top the time he didn't die.
You got this Largo kill mid. You trade your Murana, but whatever, right?
If you're trading Murana in the early game, you're kind of fine with that.
This is going to progress the Ember towards either the Vessel or it looks like an early Kaia here.
Pernicia doesn't feel like this is the greatest vessel game into the early Largo Dispel and it's fair if you're already struggling with disbells
Why give even more incentives for that spell also just don't think there's the greatest vessel targets here
Yeah, it's good against the high-age people in the strength heroes, but
You don't need it to kill the shaker
Gotta play off the chains more points and chains will also make this game a lot easier
It's more time to just land some follow-up stuns the arrow the thread across the map goes up considerably
Liquid evened out this lane phase a lot.
I think XG could have found some more openings and run away with it, but instead this game has...
plateaued.
Ace trying to recover his farm, but it's going to continue to be a bit of a tough game for him, because Aume...
went Yasha and then rushing the axe. So we're going to see those...
early hypothermia frost arrow stacks that...
helps a little bit, negates the health restoration.
He is mega fat. This has got to be his dream, right?
I get to play Drowranger, Uncontested, Absolute Free Farm Kills, and First Blood on top of it.
What more can you ask for?
Apparently in mid-tower, that's what he wants.
This is a very dangerous move when you're playing against the roll kick, the tiny, the chain-stuff potential into the arrow.
Between the leaps and the geomagnetic grip, it's very tough to lock down any of these heroes, in particular the Marana.
They get the D-word at least, that's something here as they're cg'ing this mid tower.
Full control of the area leading to the mid tower off of Hal and the Dom Creep tanking it up.
Dom A delivering the damage.
Okay, so all three tier 1 towers out, Extreme Gaming still holding all three of their tier 1 towers.
A lot of space to work with.
And yet Liquid are still up in net worth.
Playing the map more efficiently, if Extreme gave me though, off of these objectives being taken and closed the map out, hold that 60-40 split of the map while here comes Liquid though.
They have their blink done on the tiny ready to rock and roll. Moonlight Shadow gives you a free smoke. They're just going to probably send it straight into the triangle here where they know some stacks are being built up.
Got to scan on to...
That's a way to say so.
Okay, they're high ground, man. They don't want to stumble into that.
that the risk of going in there is if NTS is doing big stacks you jump in them and
just echoes you you basically get instagibbed sure yeah it's a double-edged
sword you could see it you go for the centaur instead but he's got this war
pine raider that really protects him because it could tank the arrow it
gives us like chains arrow it's a big deal and again like this then you have
to find cheeky ways to be able to show these waves without feeding the bad
I will say, I don't think Extreme Gaming's lineup uses these towers being down the best.
The drought has to continue to farm in safer spots.
It's not like a really aggressive carry that's gonna, you know, I'm pushing in your tier
two top.
Yeah.
Like some Chaos Knight ones too or something.
I think Centaur uses it decently well, but B, that's just because he still builds the
lane in so much, but it's okay with Dom.
I think the thing is with Timber in this game, you can die.
Well, again, make a jump in initiation, and Geomagnetic Grip is there to save.
You can definitely see Liquid is...
So I already planned out a very reactive game, and it's extreme.
Or the ones who are...
Could be making more moves, is that...
Is that good for them, though?
Right now, the Drawranger is so close to an item that helps them farm even faster in
the Agon themselves.
I don't know if they're making moves or not, it's just a foreign game for XGN.
Okay, so another 90 minute game. Is that what you're saying?
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I think we're in for the long haul here.
Now this game could accelerate at the around the 30 minute mark for Liquid.
Like we saw in that other game where they played this pretty much exact line up.
That game was also clunky to start because the supports needed the levels to get going.
But then once it started going, that game accelerated quite quickly.
Yeah. So do not count that type of play style out.
If Liquid get one pick off in this game, it opens up a lot.
You can just chain that into pick offs across the map, so you can get a team wipe and do a torment.
There are some nonsense like this.
They do have plenty of pick off threat. They could do slight chains and arrow.
They could do avalanche initiation into arrow. Timbersaw himself can sometimes get solo kills.
Gotta get some combo breaks in this game, if you're XG. That's all I'm thinking about long term.
Not necessarily like full Wind Waker A on this, I think it's too early to think about that, but some early Glimmers and 4-staffs.
Yeah, Glimmer is pretty nice 4-staffs, nice the lick, replacement is super nice in this game, the dodge follow-up stuns.
A gust interrupt, like if you're taking a fight and Aume can join you, just being able to gust interrupt Hurricane Pike, somebody else.
All these little things can make a huge difference against these chainstone lineups, especially when you show the push out ways.
Like Aume shows mid, he pushes his wave out, X-Novel is right there. If he gets jumped, you're gonna lick him out, you can take that fight.
Look at the stack, an M damage showing on Nisha right now, streamgangers are super stacked in this mid lane, nothing to say Mike, try and follow this up, but he's got the Lardo.
Oh he got the Lardo.
But he's got the Lardo.
There is the pushback to stop this tiny with the Echoes and they throw everything they have in this carry and he's still not dead.
Meanwhile, streamgaming have lost two and Nisha has a free game to play.
He's going to run down more, the magnetize, yeah, and the folder, that'll finish off another one.
And Ace, spots XSS, and Fisher slows him down.
XSS, I think he's away.
So 1 for 3 exchange, baiting out the Ember spirit,
and Extreme Gaming did kind of bite it down on that one.
Mike, getting a free wraparound through the left-hand side
thanks to a big smoke.
They smoked on the bottom side of the map
and wrapped all the way around to hit him from that angle.
Really nice entry for him.
That's a Bayfrike both teams.
XG are ready to lick this drought out of danger,
But, Mika, he makes an excellent play.
Five in the lark, he'll toss him into the same chain stun, get two for one.
He does pay a price with his life, which is big, so does this game down.
But as you said, free play for Nisha, you're always going to clean up here.
The Ember will always give you that plus one kill.
Delayed the axe coming out, as it got finished, wall.
Ah, man, it was dead. There goes his perfect Drow game.
It's interesting, is they didn't quite manage to get this tower forward,
but Liquid is still looking for pickoffs around this area.
And here's where it can snowball.
That one.
You start bleeding, and Liquid can just open up these wounds.
Exacerbate your problems.
The Largo can only babysit so many heroes in this game.
And as we saw, that's not also a guarantee.
Stampede can only bail you out of a little bit here.
Like, you can't stampede for somebody's chains.
You need low disorders, you need glimmering apes in this game.
This is where the game is really going to slow down for extreme gaming.
I expect to see Liquid build a net worth it here.
The threat across the map is a lot higher.
I have Marana pushing out waves, farming extra jungle camps.
Did he just nods?
OK.
Well, Mikkei, he went around.
If he'd just gone down the ramp, he
would have run right into the Earth Shaker, which
would have been a dream pickup.
Because now the next stop is picking off extreme gaming
heroes and not letting them get to DKBs, right?
For sure.
You want to abuse the fact that actually you're not as mobile.
He came back.
He went through the gate, then he came back.
And now, Mikke finally shows himself, sees the opportunity, and only needs a little bit of momentary pause for them to be able to get that kill.
One turns into two, even earns into more, suddenly boxes on a killings-free, the map is starting to feel a lot smaller, great vision out right now for Liquid as well.
This is the scariest point in this game for Extreme Game.
They cannot afford to bleed too many kills in this time period.
And it's very easy to bleed kills against this lineup.
Another great rotation. They're gonna find some heroes for the Stampede.
But the arrow, beautiful setup right up the staircase.
And Timber Chain to finish him off.
Now X6, that's already used as Stampede.
If they can get close enough, slight chains, can they get close enough? They do.
Now with the follow-up damage of the Timber Saw, it's gonna be pretty easy.
FY can do nothing to stop it all yet.
It's one more treat of the whirling death.
And now FY is gonna die as well.
Harpoon toss back in. Miike, you already seen Miike with this Harpoon blink dagger build.
You know what he wants to do. He wants to toss heroes back, pick them off one at a time.
Actually, not respecting what's happening around the map right now.
Getting caught in the liquid chase down is exactly what happened in the previous game they played this lineup.
You cannot bleed bad kills. Liquid are gonna run the entire map.
This lineup has infinite chase, infinite stun, infinite catch.
Yeah, this could have just been like, I lose on a shaker top, yeah that sucks whatever.
Instead you have to get a team wipe here, and you're straight into that 20-minute toilet.
It's accelerating the game so much, this shadow blade is almost done for the tiny after you
just completed Harpoon.
He's a bastard for this game.
The timber's top never worked.
After the roughest landing phase, just like that, who's give Ace a little space, far as
way back quickly. Now he is still susceptible to this damage until he gets the shivas. This
is a wild smoke. Deep into it. Off of the tormentor being taken. Now not to go for the
Timbersaw. You're bringing Aume into the smoke. You better make it connect on something. Damn
straight. Mikae, that's the best target. That's a much easier kill for sure. It may have some
They do have the stuns. Apparently not enough to be able to stop him from hard-pointing away.
Getting some distance finally. They'll finish him off.
But this took a long time to get the kill.
And Liquid are throwing all their heroes around here.
The arrow lands onto Aume off the chains.
Fisher tries to stop these two, but they're caught.
There's too many Liquid heroes surrounding him.
Aume, they pop the stampede, but Ace is there.
Flakes in. Warlike Death to finish the job.
I think you had to instantly keep you out of that kill.
Yeah. Again, you have to respect the map mobility
to chase down potential from this lineup.
you cannot expect Liquid to just sit on their heels here and do nothing about their timing going down.
It is a nice hero to pick up off the map. You delay the Shadow Blade, buys you a little space to push the waves out,
but if you're losing your draft, so who's actually pushing these waves out? Not the heroes you want.
Neat Dispels. This is the biggest thing right now. To deal with the chains, you can at least reposition a little bit and maybe turn some of these spikes around.
around, ANTA, Lotus Orb, Lunar Cape, four staff, you have to find a way to get there.
We have a single four staff right now in terms of total dispelling utility.
Even like the pick off game is pretty intense, but now, a level 18 Timbersaw, level three
Chakram with Link Sheevas.
Every fight is just him going deep into extreme gaming side, popping that sheave as tagging
heroes, stopping blink daggers, getting vision for the follow-up.
It's going to be rough to play.
I think conceptually this is the game Shaker struggles in because you're just not going
to get that straight five on five fight you want with the Echo Slam.
Yeah, they've got four hyper mobile heroes.
Yes.
It's really difficult to get a clump in this game.
It's very difficult to get the fight you want with vision.
It's just a pick-off oriented game.
Shaker doesn't offer you that much single target DPS this early on.
Yeah, it may be like really early if he had played off of the blink dagger and chan totem
kills then maybe that could snowball but this point, he just has to be KB.
Same goes with Ame.
This is a little dock up here if this guy needs to get behind the tier two.
They're gonna run right into him!
And got the silence on Exnova too, beautifully played by Boxy.
Even if he does catch you Link and heal, it's not enough to save the dry ranger,
but they made that kill that much quicker than now.
They can run down the frog as well, underneath the tier 3s.
Nisha collects.
No response from XG.
They're starting to recognize the situation here, which is like, if we get gone,
just try and get the other Link.
The situation is rough right now, as...
Lipid just soaking all the farm up off the map a very early BT on the Ember guarantees you dives.
Kind of look for anything anywhere.
I still do not understand how Ace is so fat in this game.
And he is almost level 20 now.
Great Timmer game too.
You're only really worried about the drought but you have displacement spells to throw this drought into the buzzsaw.
Pretty surprised that all my skipped manta here
Looks like you need it
Just for some of the go-shub and the disbell, feels really good here
I mean the disbell gets the air spirits nice too
It's gonna go straight BKB, it's gonna be a while to get there
If they get to that BKB window though, a lot of the damage goes out the window for liquid during that time
It does, let's say a ton of magic damage
Assuming you get the team fight
If you're afraid that it's never going to be a 5 on 5, it's always going to be some sort of liquid pick-off.
You're never going to be able to start the fight on your terms. In theory, you're going to be afraid of showing on the waves.
BTB doesn't necessarily help you shove the map because you're afraid of the 100-0 chains done.
Right.
What would help you just force a rush on or something if you have the confidence to do that?
Right now with the 11,000 net worth of leaves, it definitely feels like Roche is more for liquids to take.
For sure. They're eyeing it up. They might just do it here.
I do think that liquid is maybe a similar problem to the past.
I don't know how willing they are to go high ground against Extreme if their up is 5.
Now that's easily solved by the fact that they have so many ways to get Pick-Offs.
Pick-Offs are the high ground for them to put this line up.
You squeeze the map so hard that eventually you get one or two kills, you go high ground,
it's easy, you have tanky ass heroes too.
This is a very tanky lineup.
They don't have sustain, but they have insane just raw HP pools.
Is there an aiming way that you, like he hasn't completed Hurricane Play?
Are you holding that to go Hydra's Breath and have your ends for like anti-double up
on the anti-tank?
It's pretty all in.
Yeah.
Very little survivability at that point.
Maybe he thinks he needs the damage in this game.
Maybe that's why he gets BKB.
He's playing more for a stand-to-deliver style.
It's possible.
Look at these heroes. You're gonna need damage from somebody.
Quick smoke.
Smoke land.
Yeah, hoping to catch something on the waves clashing together.
Well, simultaneously meeting Aave. Aave.
Let's get jumped here.
Try to hit him with the avalanche, but the four staff got away through the arrow.
And now Liquid are a little bit outnumbered for now. They need this fast kill on Mikke. As fast as they can get it anyway.
He's just well done.
He's running down in the trees, and they find and get him, but that's just the Aegis.
And now they have to retreat. It's a stampede. Everybody out for themselves.
Oh, they could spot it! They got him on the Avalanche.
Foxyroll passed him, and Mikke delivers this stun that will kill the carry of Extreme Gaming.
The last guy you want to lose in that scenario.
Yeah.
All it costs you is a tiny Aegis, which...
Okay, you're probably not forced to high ground with that anyway, so who cares?
Liquid playing faster and faster, picking up the tempo. Now, going through the gate,
seeing if they can catch on the other side of the map. Nothing's saying no's when to play
conservatively, though. You can just park this timber alone. Controls so much real estate right now.
He's just... Oh! Nasty!
Thousand damage instantly. A little extra from the storm crafter. Beautiful kill right there on
that squirrel in his base. This shows you how little liquid fear gets you through it right now.
Ace runs him over. Makes a roadkill. Out of FY. There's another four staff. It's a little something
here. Use many as you can get. Octarene, level 22. Timbersaw almost hitting that 20k net worth.
Man. And he's gonna get it very quickly off of me on the play solo on this side of the map. He's
He's just grabbing a bunch of creeps.
Meanwhile, Liquid are hitting the tier two.
Totally unafraid of extreme gaming.
And as you're afraid to get out of the map,
they don't have the vision anymore.
They don't have the lane control.
The second you show, you have to get the hell out of there.
You just don't know where these Liquid cores are.
And they have three heroes sitting in their base right now.
And we're 30 minutes in.
Effectively, five.
Do you count this drought running back to the base as in the base?
And here's our defensive DKB.
This map is entirely liquid right now. It actually don't break this whole dare going to hold massively behind.
And you said it early. Extreme gaming had to get a lot off the laning phase and snowball that.
And while they did get a lead on the laning phase, they weren't able to snowball it very effectively.
Liquid draw things out until they hit their window. And now there's steamroll in the game.
And they will have the net worth lead until extreme gaming basically wins one or two big
teamfights.
We'll see if that ever comes to fruition.
They're gonna get all maybe give you and probably just smoke out and hope that they can land
this on something.
Yeah, you can't be locked inside your base at 30 minutes, right?
That's just, you'll just be out farmed.
Quick smoke across the map.
They're gonna send a tiny inch should find something here.
Yeah, spot's Largo.
Hit the stump.
On a tow boat, unfortunately the multi-shotter had already been used in FY, and this is the sharpshooter.
X-X-S, he's made a whole lot squishier by the presence of Ace.
They're gonna keep chasing after him. He's low enough, makes the commitment. Nisha got him.
Now spots FY here as well.
Hm. Tier 3 certain those defense. The Drow Ranger is no defense. Liquid.
They seem unstoppable at this point.
They're just breaking him in this game. In case you're sitting outside their fountain.
It's like respawn faster, please, so I can kill you again.
That'd be very nice, thank you.
When you're scanning enemy fountain, you know you're in a pretty good position.
30 minute high ground.
No wages, no problem, they get the glyph.
What is the teamfight response here?
They're trying to get a refresher on the shaker.
Yeah, they're giving up the lane to get this refresher.
Is that even gonna be enough damage?
I guess if it buys enough time for the drought to sit there and hit some people?
Yeah, I feel like it's almost more about the chain stun.
Just allow the drought ranger, and if you do manage to kill that one person, they've got
maxed out hyperthermia stacks, then the burst of damage that happens off of that.
Still needs more gold though.
Man, is it tier 3 gone?
That's it, Glyph's gone.
They are all keeping top, the chicken TS out of here.
need another 400 gold. The chase is insane. You might have to BKB TP here.
Boxing me. Oh, if you got over that cliff there, that might have been enough to make
it nothing to say uses BKB. It still is. BKB used Mission Success or Liquid.
And damage sitting in the bottom river as well. At Lukatov, we just immediately leaping to this point,
knowing extreme gaming. Okay, they saw here is the top left part of the map. They are going to try
trying to push out to this triangle, and that might be an opportunity.
Maybe an opportunity for a pick-off and aggressive force to hit the Mickey.
That was super sick, Tofu.
Just controlling so much space on his own.
Actually, you do not want to go off that high ground.
Once more, I think they've been stuck in their base for at least 10 minutes now.
Basically, they don't want to push the wades.
I think this was always going to be the problem, draft-wise, in this game,
if you did not gain a big enough lead.
So now you're all in on this Earthshaker refresher, just send it.
You can't even get the gold, you saw like one camp in the last two minutes.
Hey, yeah, I feel like the problem with this kind of playstyle is you're all in when you hit that timing.
But if Liquid just control the map for another 10 minutes, you're so starred.
I mean, you see this happen with Falcons. Somebody times, some team is locked inside the base,
they go all in for some sort of big, big item, big play.
And if Falcon's just never getting the opportunity.
Exactly.
You don't have to ever give this shaker a chance
to echo-sign your entire squad.
You're continuing to build it out worth it here.
This is very efficient.
So extreme gaming, they have to take a risk.
They have to go out there at some point.
With this refresher, level 20 as well with the echo damage,
it is a big burst of damage.
Is it enough to deal with the Timbersaw
or the Tiny by itself?
Definitely not.
Timbersaw's a heart and 4,600 HP you.
You can echo him twice. I don't think he's gonna feel it.
Here comes that smoke. It would have been perfectly timed five seconds earlier.
Could have maybe gotten here with a Tormentor with some of these heroes already low.
Would have been beautiful. As it stands, Tormentors could have died.
They're gonna get some heals up. Liquid don't go anywhere.
Nobody tepees away.
Short all the way up, and they're gonna smoke themselves.
They chase, extreme gaming, they retreat, back onto the high ground.
They know the positioning is so important here.
Anything that can give nothing to say an advantage, they try and take the outpost, but they get
hit by a two-man avalanche immediately from the game.
It doesn't even matter if you hit the Echo Slam at this point in time.
Amé is almost already dead with his BKB, a harpoon pulling back, he and X-Noven.
They're still going to chase after this drought range, and the BKB expires, and Boxie kicks
him to death.
Which is just mantling them in this game 3.
Not even close.
No way out, FY.
All the way back behind your throne.
And tier 3s haven't even been claimed yet in...
What is nothing to say to do, man?
And the way that started was just so terrible.
I thought they knew that Liquid was chasing after them, but they clearly did not.
There's a lot of little...
If that's your one big opportunity to try and swing the momentum in this game,
one you showed that you're out clearing the wave, which they could have seen,
and then you're double clicking the outpost.
But you're telegraphing a lot of info. You're assuming they're not gonna notice this? You got scanned regardless?
They're always gonna jump in there. You always just jump off EKBs. What are you afraid of in terms of that turnaround?
And catching Jirau is just
too easy. Well, you got a flamethrower, a timbersault, level 25.
Ise of Wands, let's get him. A mid lane of Barracks down.
I mean at this point, as epic as game 1 and game 2 are, this is gonna be extreme gaming.
going out of EWC with a whimper.
I have a gem up now at least.
Probably smoke's leaving up left. I have one on the Lardo.
And it looks like a bad one.
Your best chance right now, as actually is if Liquid forced the Hygrum
and somehow just botched that move and clumped terribly.
That would require a lot here.
You always have that Geomagnetic Group to bail you out of trouble anyway.
And I'm surprised Liquid aren't just chilling a little bit longer.
Keep the same route on big tag.
Again, as long as you don't clump, I don't think it's too scary.
You can't show the drought of grass to anybody.
You're just gonna get rolled on, chained, tossed in,
erode.
Not that slow to be honest.
Nothing to say, you...
...be waiting for the rest of this game to play.
Perfect blink, can't go.
Death by Flamethrower.
Even just that Wren that is just annoying for Extreme.
There's BKB on the center, they got the triple BKB.
And Shumford on Amé.
Of course he used the BKB already, now Nisha did jump in but he couldn't get the cost on him fast enough.
So he didn't even have to expend his BKB.
Amé is just so terrified.
I don't think he did DKB, I'm gonna get a hundred to zeroed.
Yeah.
I'm surprised not gonna say he didn't try for the Fisher on the Ember Spirit.
Right?
Like, he had to punish Nisha one way or the other there, whether it was hitting the gust
and forcing him to DKB or maybe getting the Fisher, follow up Ecoslam, try and burst him
down some of them.
Here's the real question, you have to smoke and contest this for a shot.
Well, you're already kind of too late to the party here, especially if they're gonna wrap the long way around because if they go straight through
Nietzsche is here to block it, but they go all the way around they're gonna be too slow to get to the Roshan in time
They're not even talking about it.
Aegis, sorry, they could be here.
No BKB out on A, no team play.
That is an easy Aegis for Liquid. They're gonna get some more wards on top of it. Give the Aegis to the Tiny, he can go up the high ground now.
And there's only one lane left.
Yeah, just get the AC with an Aegis.
They can't kill you very quickly.
You're going to kill the buildings pretty damn quickly.
And you have an extra life to back it all up.
And you have Geomagnetic Grip with the pull, the shard he has.
Of course, of course.
Always Boxie waiting in the wings.
Yeah, we saw it early game.
But mid to late game is where Boxie makes that super broken.
He goes, he pulls you.
and then he kicks you back, so it's like, you know, they're dealing with two different
kind of displacements here. They're dealing with tiny, offensively displacing heroes,
and then you've got boxy, defensively displacing heroes, which is not the kind of game Draw
Ranger wants to play.
And all of that on Aegis, that's for sure. Definitely not. Not 10,000 behind this Timbersaw,
and 30,000 behind Team Liquid as a whole.
There's your AC. Probably the last item you were waiting for in this game. He has an
Damage in the bottle as well. This tiny is snacking hard
Send down that top lane force actually a team fight you if you don't give him the club
It looks almost impossible to win the team fight
An early six-slot at Timbersaw
And an AC tiny timing with three and a half minutes left on the ages
It's gonna be one of the biggest power spikes on team liquid extreme gaming
Gonna have to find a way to hold here somehow the gust timing was pretty good
He didn't want to use the BKB on all man
And he won't have to yet.
Ketchy look helps him get out.
So they got something and the Echo Sam
is going to be put onto the Tiny here with a Fisher,
hitting many of the backline heroes, Refresh,
and it finished off the Tiny one.
But they need more heroes off of that
because there was just the Aegis.
They expended every bit of nothing to say he's kicked twice.
And they got an Aegis.
That's, I mean, they got Tofu too,
but of the other real threats in this game, Nisha and Ace.
They were pretty much untouched.
unable to capitalize with the other damage sources.
Might be enough to hold the Hydra on here.
Here comes Neesha.
Oh, what a jump there with the red net!
That's double core deals!
And now Ami is almost dead off of Vickie's jump through.
Neesha, very happy with that jump.
He's going to get a flyback, at least one out of Extreme Gaming,
and they're going to take this full lane.
I mean, there's something they could really do to stop it.
Nothing to say.
He doesn't have a BKB, so he's being tagged by damage.
She can't really get the blink in.
Not that he has an echo slam anyway.
Somehow, XX asked me to just hit a stomp
on the Emberspear.
Couldn't get the immediate follow up.
And whether it's the flamethrower or it's the tiny hits,
one where they've got the toss back onto on it.
He forces us forward as fast as he can.
And a catchy lick to try and deliver him to safety.
But the barracks, they can't do the same kind of retreat.
Nor can the Zershaker.
Once he's dead, he's dead without his DKB.
The buildings will not stay standing for long.
mid-game with another beautiful toss back into the avalanche off the buyback
since they're holding hope they've got the hype to throw me a sax on a big game
building up building up and got the big game being touched back around it's
smashed down on me true tanky and that's it extreme gaming are out
i want to see liquid will hold on survive just a bit more in this
survival stage of EWC i think this is team liquid is not show
they could have a rough tournament they can have a rough meta they're trying to
figure out their hero pools trying to figure out the draft
But when the lights are brightest, they just turn up as players.
They make big plays, they make clutch plays.
They always have little HP ahead, little team fight ahead,
one little clutch play here from Mika, and all of a sudden you're winning a series that
might be the start of a pretty long bracket run here for them, right?
And they gain some momentum. They're a scary team to face in this elimination match,
so I don't even care how bad that is.
They just seem to have some clutch G when it matters, and that's it.
I think SG had it rough for them.
They started to figure a little bit out in this series, especially that game one
I think they played her on NTS the best of any game we've seen but ultimately
He just couldn't put it together for this event
And it does leave a lot of questions like what is this actually squad gonna look like when it comes to Tia and Cheyne on
If they can't put it together here, you obviously you don't have a lot of time to figure that out for the rest of the season
And the next round is gonna be scoop for fun to watch because would you agree with me to say that Liquid and Team Spirit
Are the two teams that have the highest variance and highest ceiling sometimes when it comes to this playmaking in-game as you said
I feel like both those ones are teams that just can turn it on right and be a
Champs that they've been in the past hundred percent spirit definitely showing better form right now
Yeah, that goes out saying they're the scarier team
But I think liquid has the potential to play the fastest of maybe any team
Yeah, but no other team is gonna play this style of draft in this way where you're just running around that chain killing everybody
maybe LTE would, and it's the other team that comes to mind, right, some classic, like SA Dota.
But I think Spirit or Liquid when they play with this are a real threat to Spirit in terms of the
Strategical matchup, but they're gonna have to come with some past your game, like because it's hard for me to imagine
Spirit falling in the same way that you do in this game. Like they're better at stabilizing the maps with Rashid Malin.
So I think Liquid are gonna have to think about, yeah, this strategy works for them. How far can we push this strategy?
What else are we gonna have to show to go deeper in this corner?
They can start to develop some of these heroes, take their thick threats.
They got a decent shot.
What a way to be able to close that bad game, Nisha.
Pop it off the Ember Spirit and taking that double support kill.
And, well, we can go to the man himself on stage.
Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Team Liquid and Nisha! Come on!
What a- for incredible parts.
I'd like to personally thank you for that incredible series.
It was very fun to watch. Was it fun to play?
The first game I guess but the second game definitely not.
What? What do you mean that was the best game that we've seen in a long time? Did you guys enjoy game 2?
What do you remember about game 1? I don't recall anything about that game.
Barely anything. I think I just went to 50 minutes.
And I just remember really game which I sucked and that's it.
Well, yep, you always gotta think about what you can improve on, but let's talk a little
bit about that game too.
That was absolutely insane.
95 minutes long.
How much net worthily do you think you had in game 2?
Maybe 40.
But it's like in items that don't even like do anything.
I had like Dominator in my backpack, Shiba in my backpack, so many items, but you cannot
use them, so it comes down to like team fights I guess.
Indeed, in one point, Tofu had a 12,000 gold as your support.
You guys were 75k ahead.
Ooh.
Ooh.
Yeah, I mean, he said he cannot farm anything more, and then I looked at him as an A on
this, travels, and jam, and I was like, hello?
Yeah, it certainly came through, but anyway, that was such an incredible game.
You guys perform under pressure really, really well.
Elimination series, super long.
Game two, you go all out.
game three it's just like a stop what do you think happened did you break them
with that long game where you guys just had more energy more used to these high
stress scenarios well what was that about I think we just adjusted the strategy
a bit more I think it was kind of easier to play I had saved behind me and we kind
of scaled better into the late game so I was just like kind of looking and waiting
for the game to end I did nothing tiny and timber carried the game and yeah I
just played a bit. Yeah you can lie as much as you want in these interviews to
say you did nothing but I think you would and the audience would agree. I mean a
pretty big part of this game am I right? There we go. Sorry Nisha. You can't
escape that kind of stuff. So you're on the verge of death coach Mr. Blitz. How
do you think he's gonna be doing? Is he still gonna be alive here after this
series? Because it was scary to watch. That guy's already extremely injured right?
Yeah, his injuries, he's sick and everything at once and it's so hot in this country, so it's pretty rough.
Alright, fantastic. Well, you had an incredible series. It was really, really fun.
But I do think it is time for us to stop the fun and potentially get down to business.
If I could get the team to join us up on the stage because we have some business here to do here at EWC.
No, you don't get the trophy yet, you're not done, you've got a long way to go.
Here at EWC we do have a tradition, my friends, and that is the following ceremony.
It is time to say goodbye to your enemies in a very poetic way.
Please hobble on up here, Mr. Blitz.
Thank you so much.
Gentlemen, it is time for us to feed the Crusher.
Ladies and gentlemen, please walk this way as we begin.
the destruction of extreme gaming.
And here we are.
We are opening up,
open the doors,
and reveal our baby who hungers
for the key!
Gentlemen, approach the crosser!
Now one of you will be able to cross this.
Who would like to do it?
Is anyone excited to destroy the key
of extreme gaming anybody want any volunteers
Who's the most sadistic among you Mickey?
No, uh blitz you are blitz blitz step up to the key master
There you are stand there. There's the lever within this my friends gather around gather up get in the shot
Watch your opponents be quick. That's too close stand back
Here it comes ladies and gentlemen. This is the end of my stream
Yes!
Be crushed and be added to you.
Well done, Extreme Gaming is broken and Team Liquid lives on.
It's like water pressure, like a high pressure water cannon, except it's steel and a solid,
but use your imagination.
And there it is, the Crush Keys.
Please, Mr. Keymaster, show it to the team and then show it to the stream, if you will.
them see it all. Ladies and gentlemen, the end of Extreme Gaming and the continuation of Liquid!
Thank you for a great, great series guys. It was a pleasure and we'll throw it back to the desk
for some more Dota 2 action. Thank you very much, Slacks, and congratulations Team Liquid for
surviving another day in our survival stage. We got of course an out of survival yet,
tomorrow still afford them
But boy oh boy what a serious this was we're gonna break this game down here with the cost and steps
So this game was a lot less close than the other two though. It was sorry. I'm still shaking by this key destruction like
Losing hits different like it's it's rough like so little too excited for it
And it's like they take kind of their the symbol of their tournament life, and then they just crush it and
Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, I guess that's what happens
Part of life. You win some, you lose some, and you get your keys crushed.
It's what happens when you lose in survival.
I mean, it was a much more convincing game from Liquid,
and I have to admit, I think they made the Miranda look really well.
Like, really good, like, would you...
Gotta agree. Miranda, her thoughts definitely going up. Absolutely.
As of 5th.
As of 5th, yeah, as of 4th, still don't want to see too much of her,
but it got the job done because she had so many setups,
and I really liked that Boxy also optimized to go for
a bit of a, you know, different tech instead of going for the damage BKB like he did in that one
earlier series that they played almost the exact same draft against Aurora. This time around he
picks up the Shard early on and he just pulls his allies whoever gets initiated on out of the grip,
like out of the stun, out of the pretty much anything that they throw at them. Boxie was in a
really good spot to pull them out of trouble. No, they looked really comfortable running this
strategy. I think, well, we've mentioned that this is like a lineup that they run before,
like in the group stage and with great success also in a sense because they have a really
rough leading phase back then and they were able to win the game anyway and this time around they
have a much better start and it came online much quicker. These are the kind of heroes that I guess
it's their comfort zone in a way like they can be really aggressive. Like any pairing or do like
any duo of heroes can you know bring the heat kill heroes around the map. Liquid is they're really
pretty good at playing the map, you know, and applying pressure on your opponents.
And I think this is something that Xtreme, we've seen them falter to it.
They had a much better showing this year's, but perhaps, you know,
the pressure of the elimination game, like the norm, norm for mistakes.
I think they can, yeah, they looked a little bit more shaky in this game.
But again, Liquid applied an insane amount of pressure on them.
Yeah. And we also saw the adaptation from, from game to game and potentially
Xtreme Gaming adapted just wrongly in Liquid 5 had at it and was already
prepared for that adaptation that Extreme Gaming did.
Yeah, I feel like they ran out of steam a little bit, you know,
I mean, their steam was probably up still because they played a game on Steam.
But I mean, they didn't have enough in this third game because the game,
second game was so long, the first game was also long.
It felt like Liquid, they just had so much more.
They had the energy and everything.
And once they started running at them, they didn't have enough to punch back,
which, you know, maybe in these high pressure situations,
Liquid overall is just a better team because they have like on the other side,
We also have quite a lot of experience, but recently from what we've seen, Extreme Gaming,
they kind of don't work too well knowing that what's on the line and knowing that TI is
in Shanghai again, that everybody's watching, you gotta perform and maybe it gets a little
under their skin.
Yeah, that pressure might get you, and especially after two of those very long games we saw
at the start of the series, Game 3, they just could not make it happen.
But they did still have some moves earlier on.
At the moment that the mid game begins, Lacoste, you want to take us to that moment because
Team Liquid, they were just, okay, kicking into gear, we're going.
Yeah, it's how Team Liquid plays.
We have these sacrificial carries that we like to talk about.
Micky definitely being one of them and his tiny, like once he gets online, a lot of situations
where he just picks up a blink dagger, and a really nice wraparound coming on from Team
Liquid where he goes in, finds a two-man avalanche plus the toss.
The Fissure, it looks good but damage has already been done, okay, immediately, Marana with the arrow of course, MVP of this whole series, most definitely, no jokes.
And then you have the rest of the follow-up, you see like the Killer Instinct kicking in, Nisha with the rest of the team, making sure that they have very good chase potential.
And as soon as they kill one or two heroes, immediately they're going to be able to go for more.
And of course, Shiver, we have to show something else.
This is Pete Murana, Moonlight Shadow, Praise the Moon of Mayne.
Look at this arrow coming in and making sure that that's not just going to grant them to one kill.
And Tohoku has been very good on this Murana, like with the arrow coming out from behind,
or like not even completing the animation as well.
And so many heroes in this game that she can really play with.
And all of this because like they have very good chase potential.
Once you start running with this type of a draft enemy team,
They can't really, like, out, they can't outch it, like, they can't run away, and on top of that they're also going to be getting the X Peteroon as well.
And at this point of the game, the game kind of already feels over, because the timing that they did have, maybe some of the early moves that Xtreme and Gaming did have, it just completely nullified.
Yeah, and Lacoste, it seems like you've been kind of hit by democracy here, because you call Tofu the MVP of the series.
And no, they'd be wrong if they were you well, I don't want to say anything about me but
democracy struck and
tofu did not win the MVP
It was ace that won the MVP said yeah, yes. Yes, and I shall represent democracy
By myself, it's my version of it
No, I mean I think okay you can make an argument for many of the liquid players
I think make it could mean that correctly that conversation to boxy like obviously Nisha
But I think Ace, you know, he's had a rough roof stage and in this game, I mean, this whole series, he played like, he really stepped up this game.
And I think in this game in particular, it was like a very, very dominant Timbersaw game.
We've seen him play, you know, the Centaur with a great build, the Darkseer, massive impact on the game.
And the Timbersaw to me was really like the chair on the cake where he innovated to build two Facebook Stimberg.
Facebook's been very long seen that often, I think they seem to have picked up like a lot of
they seem to be more on the same page, him and Boxxy on how they want to approach the game,
like how they select their heroes, how they complement each other, how they play the laning
phase, and how they scale into the game. I think Ace has always been like a farm oriented player,
I think he's very confident in his ability to like scale to his micro, also how good he is at
checking his buttons and how he can scale into the game. And I think we're really, we've really
seen in this series and what I like is his ability to also connect with his team and use what's
happening in the game while maintaining like a really high net worth. This Timber was, he was so
so far and he was crazy. His Timber is not what he's really known for. This is not his like you
think of ace it's not like you're gonna be like oh yeah his Timber. His Timber is sub 50% win rate
in his professional career but in this one he definitely delivered sometimes you know you might
need to throw in a couple of games where you lose but in this one understanding like you talked about
by the Audemisation, the Fates boots are playing against the Crown Ranger, having extra bit of
armour and mobility in the teamfights, it feels really good and Ace, I feel like him
and Bogsy found what they were looking for, something that has been missing in the group
stage and now they're kind of ready, they're kind of ready to make this, and I'm not gonna
say lower bracket run because it is single-elimmed, so they have to go through survival and in
the playoffs again, single elimination, so I feel like Team Liquid definitely powered
up.
Yeah, they really did, we already heard before the series even began, Nisha was not talking
about Extreme Gaming. He was not talking about Liquid, he was talking about Yandex, later
down the line, already in his head, making it past that survival stage, but by beating
Extreme Gaming, which was very hot for Hardpot, and potentially this was exactly what they
needed to be starting that run. They will now, tomorrow, go up against Team Spirit, and
I think that's going to be a very good series, but we're not done yet today. We have still
got a series coming your way. Our first series now, gone elimination complete. One more elimination
on the line on this stream with LGD vs. Maus as our upcoming series, Seb, some wise words
on this series, please.
Words?
But wise, I don't know, you have to tell me.
I do have words for that series, I mean, LGD, I think they started off really strong.
I think everybody kind of expected them to, you know, be one of the top teams here.
They're very entertaining to watch, they have a very innovative way of draft, also I think
they play heroes that other teams don't, you know, we've seen like, Budges and whatnot.
It's always fun to see them play.
I think they had a rougher end to the group stage in a sense.
Like they had a couple losses that probably they didn't expect.
And I think they fell short against like the strongest, the strongest teams here,
which you could argue are Yandex and W.
So they're gonna, they're probably looking to prove themselves again,
like make sure that, you know, they are a little bit above the back.
As for mouse, I think it's been, I mean, we didn't get to see them play as much
on the stream, but I think it's been, you know, a little bit shaky.
It's one of the teams that we know their potential, and we know they can definitely turn into one of the top teams here.
And they also play Pudge.
Yeah, they play.
Well, I don't know if that's a good news for them, but no, I mean, I'll always love myself a bit of Pudge.
But I think they have more work to do on finding their identity.
So I'm really looking forward to see how they've put that day off to use and what version of themselves they're going to show today.
Well, we are going to see that very soon because we are going to get the teams ready on stage.
But before we get there, we are first going to check in with Chris, who has a conversation
with Slacks about some of his confessions.
This is Slack's Confessions and I am not sure what to expect from it frankly.
I've been given some questions to ask you, some of your history around your e-sports
career and this is going to go one of two ways.
Either it will never work again or it will be a really good content piece so let's find
out which one it's going to be.
All the starts I'd like to apologize the allegations you guys will see the tweet longer after this one okay?
The the allegations are not true, and I would like to apologize for them ahead of time go ahead
Do you think you should get more credit for the blink which stock to build? Absolutely do I fit?
There's gonna be hard questions these pro players don't know shit. All right listen
I was in a car one time with a mid one.
No, there's no one actually.
And I was telling them about my Battle Hunger Axe
back in the day.
You go back in the day,
0% of people got Battle Hunger first on Axe.
I talked to him about it, he understands it.
Boom, what did we see?
Battle Hunger Axe next time.
Last Dream League, which is part of EWC.
Nobody playing Witch Doctor.
I get coached by two pros.
I show them, here's my Witch Doctor build.
Blink first.
Team Liquid now doing Witch Doctor.
They're hacks. Absolutely. Not even a question. Yes.
So someone say you're passionate about this?
No, I'm not. This is me not passionate. Everyone knows the pro players are hacks and just watch my stream, but go ahead.
Something about Grigory, I'll be in that set.
The Grigory. I'll tell you all about this, baby.
You can tell me.
Any witch doctor that uses a Grigory as a coward, it doesn't give you any money, hardly.
It just grows in money. If you finish the game with the Grigory, the emotional damage is harder than anything else.
Never cash, oh gee, which dr. Play we never hit that gree-greed. We never hit the gritty as I call it
The grizzly I yeah gritty the grizzly the elderly baby, and I will go with that
Tell me about the loathsome don't eat the loathsome don't eater. All right
This is the name of the warlock golem. All right back in the day
That's my personal name for my personal warlock golem. I bought the name tags
You can still buy them 299 in this shop. Thank you valve software. I get a dollar every time someone buys one
Excellent. You can summon the Lowsome Dung Eater from the little poop circle and it comes out and they explode.
That's all you need to know.
It says that you call them poop boys.
The poop boys, that's right. Warlocks, slow. Gork calls it the soup. I've never seen a soup like that.
It looks like a swirling toilet. The Lowsome Dung Eaters come out and they attack.
This is the easiest AMA I've ever done. Where's the allegations?
I don't know.
Well, one of the allegations was something you said in Chinese once upon a time, I've
been told not to talk about it.
I'll tell it.
I don't get shit.
I've been told.
I might get it wrong.
This Karoke still hit you for the winners' bus comment.
That's a tough one.
That's a tough one.
For those of you who don't know, it was TI, Team Liquid, I was running around trying to
get some information and I approached a fan and I said, hey, how's Liquid doing?
And they're like, they won.
They won.
uh, got in the bus later, long day, 16 hour day, get on the bus, and I see all of Team Liquid there,
and I walk in the bus, and I say,
Boys! I must be on the winner's bus, baby!
I sit down next to Purge, and his face, I've never seen anything like it.
He looks at me, he's like, what is wrong with you?
And I say, what do you mean?
He said, they just got too old, they got eliminated, they're done.
And I look back, and the entire team is just the angriest I've ever seen,
because I really get it like, I'm on the winner's list.
It was bad.
So I think he forgave me though,
Kuro has grown a lot since back then.
I can understand if you didn't forgive you,
that's pretty damning.
Why don't you like eating cheese?
Can't tell that one on-storey, can't tell that one.
It's a real story that I'm not allowed to share.
But yeah, that one will go in the bank
just because this is a kid's stream, this is for children.
This is for children.
Okay, we're skipping by that one.
Why are there so many Reddit threads
about how toxic you are?
People are noobs, what do you want me to say?
What do you want me to say?
You want me to say they're right?
You ever eat in a restaurant and have a delicious meal
and go, oh, let me write a Reddit thread about that?
How yummy?
Everybody has a great time with me.
99% of people have a great time with me.
Now, I make mistakes, okay?
I, number one rule, never flame someone
that you think is smart enough
to be able to write a Reddit thread.
Now, sometimes I get that wrong.
A few of them get through the net, but I gotta say,
to anyone out there that I flamed and made a right-of-thread,
I apologize, I am open, I'm trying to change my ways,
I went through some dark times, send me a DM,
let's get some tickets for dark carnival.
Let's co-op bots, I'm ready to forgive if you are.
That shows real growth.
If you can open up the game and send a request,
I'm sure, I saw a lot of misplays, a lot of misclicks,
but if you can manage to do that, I will accept.
Okay, we'll see if they can manage.
If you go back in time, what would you change about Moonduck?
I would fire Purge immediately.
The second he walked in that door, I would let him go.
What a, what a goddamn mistake dude.
Just absolutely.
He's a lovely guy.
Alright, she would think so.
That's what I thought.
Okay?
That's what I could have been the top of the tippity-top.
I could have been your boss.
I could have been the boss of this place.
It wasn't for Purge gamers and his goddamn weatherman, alright?
day. How do you think EWC would be different if you were in charge? We would have been out of
business a long time ago, so I'm happy that didn't work out. I wouldn't change a thing,
actually. I love being here. Thank you. Oh, thank God. Well, Slacks, thank you very much. We have
some games to watch now, but yeah, no, that was... That was something. Yeah, thank you very much.
I'm sure we have plenty more confessions that we can get from Slacks, but that's where we get back
to be serious stuff instead.
None of it was true.
None of it was true.
The serious stuff is here with Elimination.
Once more, we got LGD and Maus for Dota 2
at Esports World Cup live from Paris.
And the best of three to decide which one can stay
and which one will have to go.
And I think we're starting a little bit here with LGD,
I think, Lacoste,
because this is a team that comes from the Group of Death.
Yeah, this is a team that has been through all of it
pretty much, but also managing to punch back.
This is the team that nobody can really roll over.
A lot of the times you will see this team have very even games, maybe some even longer games as well.
But the team that has a relatively unique playstyle as well,
we did mention some of the heroes that they do play.
And I think this matchup in particular is going to be in favor of LGD,
just because I would say Maus has almost similar playstyle to P-Time,
who, you know, if we go back to PI qualifiers, they got 3-0,
because this is a very chaotic team, like I think both Maus,
Maybe now it's more on a slightly strategic side, but I feel like a team like LGD, who is more stable,
like just seeing the players and everything, the achievements, especially the guy we're seeing on screen,
I'd say Yuma, especially last TI, he was my top three carries in that tournament.
This guy definitely goes under a lot of people's radars, where he does it like he would not get mentioned,
but very stable carry, a carry that is going to be carrying the games pretty much single-handedly.
I gotta point out also that maybe on the side of LGD, Tylong is on a little bit of a high
because in the 1v1 mid-seb, he smashed it.
Yeah, he's amazing. I think this guy is really...
He's made a name for himself in a very short amount of time.
I suffered his talent first hand because we, like, OG had a series versus him and
he had losing much of both games and came out on top of both games, like pure 1v1, nobody getting involved.
Like this guy, he's the kind of player that can make the difference out of nowhere, just by himself.
So Maus is going to have to keep him on the radar, because in a single-a-limb situation, all of a sudden you lose a lane you're not supposed to,
the game is harder than it should be, and you're on the losing side of things, so they have to watch out for this guy.
They really, really do. For LGD, this is a team to watch out for. They came third in Group D,
and Thailand's youngest player here in Paris for Dota 2.
Winning that 1v1 mid might have been enough
to get his confidence back on track here on the main stage.
Let's find out how LGD got to this EWC to begin with.
In the history of Dota, LGD has consistently been among
the top of Chinese Dota until now.
Not because they're no longer at the top,
they're just at the top of South America instead.
This current iteration of LGD formed when the org
picked up the South American roster of Heroic, Yuma, Tylon, Whisper, Theolokor, and KJ.
Since the team didn't have enough points to qualify to EWC directly,
they wrote to EWC involved playing in the qualifier for their last chance to make it.
Since LGD was already in Europe to play another tournament,
they decided to play on Hard Mode through the Western Europe qualifier instead,
which they managed very easily, only dropping one single map against Nabi in the process.
Massive congratulations to them as well. They will be going to play at EWC 2020 Stamps.
Clearly, despite lacking the points to directly qualify,
LGD has earned their spot to be here. With very strong results in the past few months,
they're definitely a top team to look out for here at the Esports World Cup 2026.
They've been the first team from South America to have been in a Grand Finals of a Tier 1 event.
That was the most recent tournament they played as well as with the expectations are high for LGD coming into this one.
But the main question for me is Lacoste, how could they make this jump?
What caused them to go from worst at least top 8, top 6 here and there, if they're doing well, to boom, Grand Finals?
I think it's been years of grinding pretty much for all of these players that maybe have never won tournaments.
But they've been in the scene for a really long time with the combination of new blood coming into the scene.
Like you get some new fresh ideas, you get a new kid on the block that is going to be
kind of carrying as well from the mid lane.
I think you need to have that confidence as well, because
in these type of teams, like you have like a lot of old school players like Whisper,
and we he's been known like you had him on the team as well.
He's been known that this has been one of the best offlaners in the world.
He has been the best South American offlaner for a really long time.
and also like the stability that he brings to the table has very interesting hero pool.
He also did switch to mid lane because he was playing the off lane heroes from the mid lane,
collected some of the XP there, returned to the off lane where he kind of belongs,
but also expanded his hero pool a little bit.
Yeah, Whisper has been doing really well for the squad.
Player that always gets mentioned also when we're talking about LGD, well too actually,
it's the safe lane with Yuma and KJ. They've also been stepping it up.
Yeah, they have and these are two players that now are they have a lot of habits like they've been playing together that lane for
What a really long time they're leaning duo that's very comfortable with each other's and I think it gives that team a lot of stability because
They have these I don't want to call them hit or miss because it's it's more like hit hit hit hit hit and eventually miss
but Tylong and whisper these are very
Yeah, it's hard to know what to expect and they're gonna go for the winning place
You know, they're gonna there is takers essentially and it pays off very often
But I think having that safe lane that is like stable
Yuma is a very like structured players obviously very talented very explosive too and he can just take games and carry them
But you know, he knows exactly how he wants the game to be played while he's timing
So he brings a lot of structure from the carry position, which is not often the case
And I feel like he basically allows Tylong and Whisper to have a little bit more freedom and how they want to play the game
whether they want to be playing very aggressively or more on the far me sort of thing
So I think that dynamic fits them really well. Yeah, when you're talking about structure
I want to focus on on their opponents here because mouse actually interviews have said that the structure
For example in drafting is a read there or rather people are saying what they like to play
which is very different from what a lot of other players do here at this tournament.
So I'm curious how they feel about this upcoming matchup. Let's hear from Christalus.
Hello, I'm here with Christalus from Team Mouse. How are you doing today?
I'm doing fantastic.
Great. You've been sitting around with your team, waiting for the matches to come up.
How's your vibe right now?
Very bored, mainly.
Well, I mean, you don't get to play Dota, I suppose, so it's a fun part of the day.
Yeah, or anything else, but you really have to sit in a chair and wait for
for the next year's stand. Hopefully it's a 2-0. If it's not, then we're going to wait
an extra hour. You know, we'll see.
That's tournament Dota sometimes. You guys went 4-6 in your group, a little underperforming.
I'm sure you guys are a little disappointed. You're up for elimination. What's your EWC
journey been like so far?
You know, anything. We're not even that disappointed because we stuck way harder in the I-Quals
than before that too. So right now it's actually going to get a decent, you know. We have a
chance. This is up from before for sure.
That's true. I mean, you're not eliminated yet. You definitely can do it. I spoke to
mid one early in the tournament he was coming off of a loss and he said that
you guys were sometimes not on the same page in your game. How do you solve that
problem as a pro team? It seems very difficult to make sure everybody plays
as a cohesive unit. I would love if someone could answer that for me because I
also don't know otherwise it would probably be doing better. I was hoping you would know the answer that's too bad.
Okay so it's not my fault when we lose our pubs so it'll be the same for me.
Alright what's your prep like for LGD right now? Are you guys ready for the
Is there any other weird cheese stuff that you're going to have to play against?
You want me to reveal all my strats before we play?
You get a lude to them, you can tell me how confident you are, the fact that you're not confident.
I mean, the thing is, I'm the same as always, I play like three heroes and if those are abandoned, it's over, you know?
Razor, Monkey, who's the third?
You don't have to tell me.
My Huskar is amazing.
I'm a bloodseeker.
Okay, so the Huskar is up for contention, is what you're saying?
Of course.
Maybe you're going to pick it first, show him who the real Huskar player is.
Of course, there is a sure Huskar death happening on the Tovast.
You talked to me about Husker safe lane vs Husker mid. What are the major differences?
Obviously, lots of levels, but you could dumps or some sort of off lane here as well.
It's the same thing. You tell the enemy hero against you more than anything else in the
world and then he doesn't want to play anymore and then you win on accident.
Okay, and hopefully he disconnects early.
Yeah, like it's the plan.
That's a good strategy to have.
Alright, well thank you for joining me for the interview and I hope you don't have to
wait too much longer for your upcoming match.
I hope so too, thank you.
Oh, this hit's different. I know when this interview was recorded.
He was recorded before game 2 of Liquid vs. Extremes, the game that lasted 19 minutes.
So he did have to wait a lot longer for his game to start and hopefully it doesn't affect him too much.
It seems like it's an upbeat mood anyway, you know, it's almost going into no expectations.
Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm comparing this interview to the Nisha interview when he's like,
already almost talking about the grand finals and how he's planning to celebrate after he gets the trophy.
And he was like, yeah, I don't really know how to fix being on the same page or not.
Also, hopefully they they fix it. I think Kristen Kristen is also very known for being a funny guy
Especially in interviews. So don't take all his words, you know, like, oh, yeah
They're falling apart. They're disbanding as we speak right now
Or on the fight it's not happening
He has more that when I was checking his hero pool
I had the double triple check kind of that the hero that he has been playing that this is from this tournament actually not from like
like six months ago or something because he's, I think he has the weirdest hero pool from
the carry road.
Yeah, we have Phantom Lancer, the only one who has lost with it, even though every single
other PL did win.
He has one loss of Bloodseeker.
He has Razor Monkey King.
He does have Bristleback, Dragonite, and the Bloodseeker, I don't know if we mentioned
this.
All right.
I mean, some of these heroes are like signature for him at this point.
Maybe they started off with him trying to fit in and then realized that hey, I just want
to play my heroes.
He is part of the infamous creep wave stack, which the golden rule is like hero specialists
play your heroes and make them meta.
So I mean, we've seen other teams maybe get a page out of his book, in a sense.
We've seen BB team play the Bloodseeker too with great success.
So, you know, perhaps some interesting ideas that are going to eventually get conveyed to other teams.
Yeah, and Chrysalis, I mean, he counseled those Dota plus subscriptions, so you can't even see these current masters.
Yeah, but we know. We know. We're seeing him around enough. We know what he plays.
Interestingly enough, when Maus played against P-Vision during the group stage,
one of the strategies that Puppy had against his former teammate, Chrysalis, was all seven bans were targeting Chrysalis.
So he has at least seven heroes, and that's when he played DK, by the way.
That's how you fix conflicts between X teammates.
It's like you just settle it with targeting them with the bands.
They're gonna have a reader of them.
I'm just wondering, because you talked about Bloodseeker,
and Big Team also mentioned in an interview that they adjusted the item build on the Bloodseeker,
so I assume they got inspired by Crystallis as well.
Maybe they kind of called out that some things need to be fixed,
but also getting the right ideas, maybe just not having the completely right idea,
but the ideas that they have, could definitely be improved,
but other than that, cool ideas that other teams are also starting copying.
Do you think it's going to be very important for any team facing Maus
to shut down in particular Khristales like Pvt. Vigindad,
or do you want LGD to focus elsewhere on this match?
No, I personally don't think you have to tunnel vision Khristales in particular.
I think they have very capable players that,
But I think of Yamich for instance, he's been very known for also serving very limited
hero pool, even though he obviously can play much more, but they've just had so much
success with some of these heroes.
Like I'm thinking about his Toss, his Nix's Assassin, or certain midi heroes, which they
did just seem completely unstoppable when they got their hands on these kind of heroes.
To me, one of the big questions will be around mid one, like what kind of mid one are we
getting because I think when Midlaner is on, he's really hard to stop. I think he usually
raises to the stakes of big events and you know, Midlaner at TI, EWC, single-limb. I
think this is where we could really see him shine. I think he's super important for that
team in terms of setting up the pace of the game and the tempo. And again, I think it's
a really good match for Midlaner's like Earth Spirit and Earth Spirit. These heroes are
very dominant and he's very comfortable in those so yeah i mean i have to agree the way that they
won that one malakia was pretty crazy nobody expected them big underdogs but they also played
their own style and they are staying true to their own style like even here at dwc and one thing i
liked about mid one is i think i was covering some qualifier games as well and dude he bites back
seven minutes in and then buys back again at like 15 minutes and they win the fight off of that and
and they wouldn't the game off of that on Stormsburg, which is you're not going to be seeing any other players do the same kind of a thing.
You're not. It's also interesting to note that mid one is our oldest mid laner here at EWC, whereas Thailand is, of course, the youngest
mid laner, youngest player. So there's a 13 year difference in between the mid lane. That's a that's a large number.
We're going to see if that has any implications in the upcoming best of three.
So we're going to have LGD and mouse fighting to survive here in the survival stage and for that we're going to head over to the stage
Thank you very much shiver. Did you know that there's 33 years of difference between the flax?
Oh, have you tried to figure out how that goes?
But let's go back to our previous game because that age does an extra
43 years in game to team liquid book pushing it to past 90 minutes and
and earning the win to take it to three and close it out.
I don't play Dota to no numbers, okay?
I don't even know what armor does,
but I will say, game go that long, game got be good.
95 minutes is absolutely crazy.
The entire time of that series was peak.
Sent him a Dota, baby.
That is what I am after in this world.
You set him up, you knock him down.
Game three went out and now we move
to our second series of the day.
Still, of course, in survival.
Let's see who is the fittest for this one.
Our first team joining us on the stage, LGD Gaming!
Hell yeah, coming in after a place from Group D.
You can feel it on here.
It went down to a shadow fiend, 1v1 with Tylon.
The youngest mid in the game, saving the day.
In the next few hours, this will be the biggest test
for our elite South American squad.
They seem to maintain success before this survival
books. That's serious. That's some serious stuff. I mean this is a very serious team.
Talk about a scrappy team. Talk about a team that will pull out anything that they need
to to survive. The crowd loves them and I love watching them too. However, another scrappy
team is up against them my friend. A team that you should absolutely not underestimate.
May I welcome to the stage, Team Mouse!
Just the mouse ya can't get rid of, ya know?
It's like going to America on the Mayflower, baby.
You can't get rid of these rats!
They are here, they are fighting and run,
ya think they're weakest?
That's when they bite ya with a plague, baby.
This team is incredible for their ability to take off games
from what they think are stronger teams,
and they're just inability to die.
This is gonna be one heck of a match here for you
where both teams are sure to pick out
some crazy stops and some heroes
you might not have seen in quite some time.
I'm telling you, somebody's gonna be squeaking
through this game and I don't know if it's the mice
or the LGDs on the other side.
Damn, I'm gonna be squealing about this game.
Sweet!
Get away, friends!
Take your spots, let's go, Miles, LGD, place your keys,
take your seats and remember to shake hands before this one.
Oh, yeah, they better shake hands.
I want to spit in the hand and go through.
Oh, no, spitting.
Be a nice pick.
There we go.
All smiles.
All right.
Well, this match is about to begin.
So I hope you guys are all ready.
Let's throw it over to our panel to see what they have to say.
Thank you very much, gentlemen.
LGDM Milds, I want to talk about the play style
they've been showcasing so far.
It feels like it's pretty mixed in terms of how they place it.
It is in terms of success that they find.
But I think the playstyle is a guarantee in the sense that we're going to get explosive games, action-packed.
I think both teams are very aggressive looking to get ground as early as possible in the game.
And they don't back up from fights.
That's what I'm thinking too. I'm thinking it's probably going to be a brawl coming this way.
Oh, absolutely. This is going to be one of those games where nobody's going to back down.
Like we've seen something similar a few days ago where we had like 20 kills in 10 minutes
And I think we're gonna be seeing the same thing in this one like we draw a lot of the tension to the mid lane
But some of the teams also drew attention through the twin gate where we had like eight heroes fighting
And I think the same thing is gonna happen in this series because both of these teams are pretty chaotic
I would say LGD more controlled chaos compared to the other side where it's just like go go go kind of a
style of Dota that is working out for mouse and I feel like with the players
that they have with the coach I feel like everything is gonna stay the same
because these type of players they kind of thrive in that environment. Yeah we
saw Marcy in the crowd, do you think that we'll see Marcy in the game?
Marcy is a Marcy player for sure. On the LG side Marcy player I don't think so.
I mean when Marcy position one was the thing I'm sure Yuma has played it a
couple times but I'm quite unlikely I don't know this hero very very good you
know what you might not play jet and what I kind of was expecting me one of
the games yeah a meatball everybody knows that when you play versus him you
have to think of me po like obviously he's won a lot of games with that hero
it's a sort of a cheesy picker now and I don't think the heroes good enough to
just be picked like that it has to be a good me po game and it has to yeah
Exploit weaknesses of the opponent's draft so we have to see I mean
He's been big on the laundry. I think he lost two games on laundry actually, but it was against yandex from a mistaken
So, you know, I'm sure they're gonna have some readjustments in the draft and hero hero priority
More importantly, we have to see I think both teams have very wide hero pools
I think it's the same for mouse where obviously
Chris Thaddis we talked about his pool as being a little bit niche. The same could be said about mid one like with mid one
You never know what you're getting you could get like a tiny mid one game
You could get a tanker mid or you could get your classic
Ember storm
You name it
teams of monkey king players, you know on both sides
This is a bunch of crazy things that we could see. I think I'm ready to be surprised basically
Yeah, definitely interesting hero pools like from all the roles pretty much mostly made
some offline crazy stuff like Pudge of course coming out, but Yamage, his hero pool is exclusively
positioned for melee heroes except for Grimstroke that also a lot of teams don't want to touch so
it's gonna be interesting to see because boom he also has relatively small hero pool it also could
come down to him playing hero like Viper they only played it one time didn't find much success this
hero looks atrocious so far I believe he is sitting at one win and nine losses of 10%
win rate on the hero and also playing maybe more range-oriented offlaners like a Batrider
or something that also Whisper could throw in. So we're going to be seeing a bit of a different
hero pulls. These teams definitely don't play what we call meta, even though like meta is definitely
evolving as tournament goes on, but we're going to have to see.
Heavy focus on the LGD specialties already from Mouseside. If you look at the bands like
Beastmaster, Enigma and Batrider. These are first phase bands we don't see that often, but against
LGD it makes a lot of sense. And with the Enigma being banned, could it be like a setup for Laundred?
I'm wondering. I don't know if Crystallis is that much of a Laundred fan though. We'll have to see.
This leaves a lot of strong heroes in the pool. Like this leaves Earthspirit, which has been one
of the most contested heroes of the tournament. It leaves Keeper of the Light, it leaves Clockwork,
Shadowfiend, Drawranger, all of these good things are left in the pool because, as you
said, they heavily focused the Offlane. Not so much even the Offlane because LGD also
played Beastmaster from the mid lane. It looked very good. You go for the same build. We saw,
I think, one of the Eastern European teams as well go for the carry Beastmaster, still going for
the same build. So, flexible pick in a sense and it is going to be a long droid for them.
Yeah, there we go. I mean, they set it up with the bands. These are three good heroes against
So I think kind of telegraph, I mean, in the sense that I'm sure LGD knew exactly what they were getting into.
So we'll see what answer, you know, they were preparing for the laundry.
They banned AA, which is very uncommon.
So what could it be? Perhaps Necro or Husqvar, like they're being a Husqvar team.
And you know, we, we, we, we saw Chris Sattis mentioning it.
There it is.
So they said this, this one up.
Honestly like both teams should know what's happening. I mean nigma has been a pretty common answer for laundry
So first first phase ban and nigma means laundry is coming and first phase ban a means house car is coming
So both teams are both team got what they wanted from this opener, and we'll see which idea is superior
I think there's a chance that they potentially run this laundry in the mid lane
Hmm, I guess last part basically two heroes. There's something that people do against house car in the mid lane try to outnumber him
No, it's actually doesn't sound like a bad matchup actually now that I think about it
It sounds like a really good matchup actually
We'll have to see because I saw Tylong win Husker versus Sniper matchup
So maybe he doesn't care and he can handle the long-draid also
But that would mean that mid one will play long-draid which I'm not sure it's part of his kit
Do anything is doable if you're brave enough at least that first game and then you have to see
I mean if you don't care about the results, it's always the only you know
You could just like go there and feed your brains out and just lose the game
But you know you did what was required. Yeah feed your bears out in this one, maybe if you if you can't play
Angel operation are there any other heroes that aren't like especially good against a huskard?
I think a lot of heroes are pretty good in this house quite like usually summon heroes are the best
But the beast is out already and ignites out laundry is pretty decent in my opinion
Lycan is amazing against Huskar. What else would you have? It mostly is about
also the lane matchup which is why Lacoste was mentioning like already you
know taking a more innovative approach and try to shut him down because you
know Kristallis said it best it's like your players is Huskar you can't touch
creeps literally from the beginning you don't want to play the game you just want
outs so that's just what Huskar does it's like he essentially deletes a core
from the game. One thing that you can do in this matchup is we talked about Marcy. We saw it in
the crowd as well. It's a specialty for Maus. This is something that Yamage plays. You can manipulate
the creep waves with the flying courier early on if you're playing the unfavorable matchup against
Huskar. Interesting actually. I didn't think of that. I have to put some thoughts into it now.
I'll say in my thoughts. Probably not gonna be but maybe some braver teams would be able to pull
I mean, I'm not gonna say I'm probably gonna say that now's is probably one of the more brave and demons out there because
The way they play they stick their own ideas and maybe something like crazier can't even happen because
They don't strike me as a theme that's just gonna be going for let's call it normal stuff
Yeah, isn't primal beast also a mid hero that can like take the creep wave into the jungle and basically jungle
Is that kind of not a option here?
I mean he can but a lot of things can go wrong like Primal Beast versus Huskar is like you really can never show on the lane
It's like a horrible matchup worst in the longer. It's way worse. It's like one of the worst
It's like me the hero against Huskar almost any media heroes that you just can't play in from the get-go
So if for some reason the support is free to mess with you trying to manipulate creep waves
Then you're really you're just starving
Heroes that I think are pretty okay against Huskar like Necro has been you know, it's a big meta hero
It's always been good against Haskar. He also have Undying which I think is pretty good
Especially with the new build where it's all about like sustaining because if Haskar ever get ever get hit by the undying ulti
He will just die to any other hero
you know focusing him down and
The soul rip build like sustain essentially is good against Haskar. At the end of the day
He might be hard to kill. He's damage over time and sluggy target damage. So if you have a lot of sustain
It becomes easier. That's actually interesting. I was wondering when we would see that like the jikiro versus clock
because the clock has been one of the
You know highest contested here or like highly contested heroes and we've seen some jikiro the double attack against Cog is super handy
It's very nice. It's also a forehead strategy if this is gonna be two heroes
Laning against like it you need to kill pretty much four of them
You have bear you have his summer and you have double-headed jikiro in this lane and Yamaha is gonna come out
It's one of his classics. It's one of his overall best probably most successful hero
This is how they won that block yet that we did mention early on
It's a hero that I think at that time
He had 80% win rate in the tournament being the tusk spammer and giving you that like soft reset as well with the snowball
Tag team gonna be super efficient against Huskar throughout the whole game extra bit of a damage
You could you get it for the bear you get it for the long druid himself as well
Good question, because you guys are talking about the double attack of Jakiro being good
against Clock, but overall, Clockwork has always been a counter to Jakiro, because the
battery itself will interrupt anything Jakiro even wants to do.
Does that cancel each other out?
What wins?
What counters what?
I mean, in the game, they don't really interact with each other, I mean, Clock probably has
the upper hand.
But one of the biggest issues about Clock is this clock spell.
It's not okay.
Yeah, it's not okay. It's really hard to play against it and he kind of damage control lanes that no other hero could really, you know, fix and or dominates them.
So it's mainly he's leading presence that you need to adjust. I think if you want to like deal a clock and if you're happy with your hero as a hero, well, that's like, you know, one, one son to two bird, your damage controlling what clock will do and you're also getting yourself like a good hero.
good hero. I like the combination of heroes from from also I think it's a good mix of like physical
damage they have aoe they have control they have magic damage like it's a it's a strong looking
draft already that is an interesting thing because okay Darsir into launderd is quite surprising to
me launderd used to be one of the best heroes against Darsir on lane because he doesn't suffer the
the shell the iron shells because the bear is just taking the damage and you can just resummon
And you can also just change the Darkshear down, like you have a lot of ways to root him.
A very dangerous lane for Darkshear, but at the same time we've seen these Darkshear players,
they don't even come to the lane.
What lane?
What lane are you talking about?
I'm just kidding.
So unless there's like a bodyhunter in the end that is scouting me, I'm good to go.
Okay, sure, fair enough.
You should not go to the lane, then Darkshear is a good pick.
Maybe that's the reasoning actually here, it's like Laundreth, Jekiro, yeah, I'm not
going there.
Listen, why we are seeing some of these heroes go to jungle is their force are trying to
soak up some of the damage if the lane is not strong, but this is a strong killer lane,
whether this is going to be Jekiro with the loan druid or if it's going to be Jekiro with
the, sorry, it's going to be loan druid with the tusk, you still have ways of killing the
heroes and Vyvern, I would say very good pick up here, making sure that against loan druid,
against Tusk, Tag Team, you can always have something and you know, we've seen heroes
also dying even though it's not as good as it was before like it depends whether you have agonized
it or not we saw also launder with the hero walking out of the range breaking the winter
skirts as well because he's too far away and this is going to be the counter i believe you mentioned
the sniper versus the huskar matchup and they even though they have some ways of closing the gap
with the dark seer iron surge on top of that the clockwork with the hook shot sniper he can still
to defend himself against it.
Yeah, this is mainly a shut down the house car,
you know, don't give him the early game advantage he wants.
Traditionally, a very good matchup for Sniper.
We had Yopaz on OG play this matchup against Tylong house car.
He actually lost the lane to the house car.
So we'll have to see if this was just like a corner,
you know, like a poor performance, basically,
or if the matchup has changed, because it's also a possibility.
Like, both heroes are very different from what they used to be, so we have to see maybe
this sniper against Huskar is a bait, or maybe a Worswanderer's either way, like, I'm still,
you know, I'm looking at the lineup from MetalTG, I think it's very well rounded, it's going
to be very hard to, at some point this Huskar is going to stop dying, like as soon as, you
know, they have this Wyvern maybe a Blink Dagger on the Wyvern or not, like the Curse
plus the Cold Embrace, it's going to be very hard to kill this Huskar, so the teamfight
It's going to be heavily in LG's favor in my opinion.
And the mouse, they're going to try to play the cut in mouse game
by some time to get the laundry daggers, play the long game,
play the split push.
And right now, I have to say that LG,
they don't really have ways to siege buildings effectively.
So I'd like to see a pick maybe on Yuma that allows them,
if they get an early advantage from lanes
and maybe an early rush to take objectives.
Yeah, they get overall last pick.
So they get to see what kind of offlaner Yuma would be up against as well as that is seemingly the last pick
We're needing it for miles the offlaner for boom
We already have a couple of bands on the board with now the necrophosal also shadow fiend very good necro ban
I mean they have all the physical damage
So you wouldn't be able to even hit him at all almost and then you have winter fiber behind them
You have a house car. I want to see one small item on sniper. I just want to see casual or for us
Yes, like you need to be able to reduce the damage of the healing coming up from Vibran and from Huskar
And it's also very good with their shrapnel sometimes just to keep it inside of the shrapnel gives you that extra bit of a hit as well
so because we've seen
Healing being kind of OP at the moment in meta
There aren't many ways of stopping that healing other than spirit vessel and they are gonna be removing some of the
Like I would say casual offline or something that mouse has been playing good in the recent six months or so
and that's gonna be Tidehunter, that's gonna be Centaur.
So, also looking for some kind of a teamfight that's gonna tide this lineup together.
Honestly, Spectre, for Algy, I think it's a really good hero for them.
Like, great combination with Darcy here.
It's amazing versus Sniper, really good versus Laundry.
Like, every time you actually use a hand for a fight,
you might also just get a free kill on this Laundry, the hero, if it's all on the map.
Is there an off-leger that would prevent...
A lot. I mean, I see a lot.
Spectre's Leaning presence is actually much better than what it used to be, but the thing
is that when I see Centaur Tidebands, these are not anti-Spectre bands, I actually think
both of them are pretty bad against Spectre on the lane nowadays.
So we'll have to see, their mind is probably somewhere else.
At the same time, they're going to wait to see the off-laner.
Ah, this could be a good reason to pick Spectre, actually.
I think the lane is pretty fine.
On the Lord is always a threat of dying because of the how intense Spectre Iclick's damage
output is in the early game, especially.
It's really good with lane with Wyvern also, like Spectre always enjoys the protection
from Wyvern.
We'll see what route they want to go, it's pretty slow, that's the only issue.
It depends on their read on the mid matchup, because if Huskar shut down, you can't afford
to pick something too greedy.
If they think the mid lane is fine, then they have more freedom.
Right now they don't really have any playmakers in the team, a lot of the time like Huskar,
He loves the farm, Darkseer, he loves the farm, gets his Helm Creep and the run around
supports.
They need levels to be able to make some kind of moves, so not going to be a fast draft
from LGD Gaming by any means unless they can find a way how to speak things up.
It's going to be Ursa, which is a hero that usually we don't see.
I feel like this hero, like you talked about the lineup lacking some of the tower damage
as well, building damage.
Ursa also doesn't provide you with any, but it's very good at some of these skirmish teamfights and also benefits quite a lot from Heal from Wintermine.
This is not a hero that is strong level 1, level 2, and this is why we've seen quite a lot of Warlock plus Ursa's in the recent times,
but another jumper, another hero that can match the bear on the other side, so we're going to have to see which bear is stronger.
Is it enough to fix the activity issue inside of LGD, when you said like how strong is the farm, how far does he went from...
Yeah, I think so. This is like two-item hero. You get Battlefury, you get Blink Dagger, plus also you have Waste increases damage in the fight, so this has been the old-school duo with Darkseer, so you have Surge to reset the fight, maybe get in, get out, extra bit of a damage coming out from Iron Shelf to be able to stick on the target.
And the Shard, I think, is amazing. Like, the slow on the Shard, you surge to your side, nobody can run away from him. It's a very, very powerful combo.
Do we lean one way or the other after seeing the drafts coming out for both of these teams?
Hard call, actually both of us are very solid in my opinion. What do you think of us?
Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. I feel like they might be getting quite a lot of value out of this underlord
because they have ways of potentially cutting the Ursa, Sniper Shard, Shards from Tusk as well like the Root, the Fear.
A lot of these cheap spells that Ursa doesn't really like to play against,
but I would give a slight edge to LGD gaming seeing that this type of a draft,
like this is the lineup that needs to kill Roshan.
This is Ursa, Haskar, like you want to be getting hands on that.
So between 15 and 20 minutes, you expect them to play very aggressive,
try to go for smoke, double smoke, find a pick off and then turn that into Rosh.
And maybe one thing to mention too is that since the Dorster is going to be jungling,
maybe this will free, like we really cannot think of lanes as honest.
you know, matchups, because maybe the clock's going to get a lot of space to
mess with the mid lane, perhaps get angles on the sniper, maybe the Jekiro will have access to
the twin gate really early and attack the Ursa on the mid lane and change the matchup versus
Underlord. So we'll have to see, because I do feel like it's hard to enter bot lane against
the like, Lordry and Jekiro. So a lot of early movement from supports to be expected.
Oh, that's going to be a fun one for us, the viewer to watch, a lot of movement, a lot of
activity, a lot of excitement, an extra excitement of course from Sunspan and Kazoo.
Welcome to the survival stage 1v1.
Except in this case it's 5v5. It's mouse versus LGD.
Loser goes home, Kazoo.
That's that right. This is an important game for both teams.
Wait, hold on. The lights are being turned down.
This time you're actually not lying for once.
AJ, they've called it the light situation of course. It's a little bit too much for them to handle.
Oh, look at him, looking up, yeah.
He is on the screen.
Not acceptable.
I thought you liked him being on the screen.
I do, actually. He's very attractive, young man.
You talked about his entrance into the stage here.
Yeah, I like seeing some personnel.
You know, they have some choreography of who's going to give over the key.
Yeah, it's a nice change. I'm used to Dota players just being completely dead inside.
You see nothing in their eyes. All they do is play Dota.
They don't even shower for God's sake.
Maybe a little bit. You should single some people out instead of saying that no one does it
It is true though. There is some of course, and no one smells really good. He does smell really good
But you know the eSport gamer events there's a little bit of a smell sometimes of course, but crack to reality
We are in the game
We are we got some cool ass pics. We have a sniper. We have a huskar
We have so many cool ass pics and you mentioned a huskar first. Oh, yeah, we don't get to cast this
We haven't gotten a cat's house car because it's kind of like this you're gambling a bit
It's like you're gonna win early and then just snowball or you're just gonna get dumpstered and lose well
I I don't respect this hero at all
He is good for like speeding up the game and you know what you're getting like you said
there's like a snowball one way or the other and
Obviously also it's a type of hero where you can in a way also kind of see how the mid game goes right you want to get the
First ages and play quickly, but let's see if the bear is in some first blood action here as miles where of course
Smoked up. We'll get a career kill somewhere as the olacore killed it down bottom
Yeah, so talk to me about
Well, let's just start with the lanes we can start slow
All right, we can just because I feel like there's gonna be a lot of action this game
Especially with LGD and the lineup they picked and the fact that they are very aggressive by nature anyway
how
So for Huskar
Just having a little brain light, okay.
Let's see a little shenanigans here on the top side.
Is my perception of Huskar incorrect that you need to win the lane hard or this hero is just bad?
It's close. It's definitely something you want to do and there's only very few heroes that don't allow that to happen.
I do think that Sniper is one of them, but even these matchups, I've seen Huskar kind of, you know, they are able to dumpster it.
If you get boots early, which is something we did see.
I believe I saw this matchup this tournament already and the Huskar killed the sniper and only one.
Really?
Yeah, I don't remember who played it. Honestly, it may have been Tylong against like Yopaj or...
I don't have the full memory, but it is something like that.
But, Huskar definitely wants to play for my head. He wants to have an early ages, but the hero also has scaling.
Like nowadays it's not like this one-way type of guy, so it's what you want, but it's also playable if not.
Okay.
Well, at the very least for LGD, they do have some late game in terms of the...
We've seen a lot of Darkseer have huge impact in tournaments so far. What do you think this hero provides for them?
I mean just provides good team fighting and it's also you want to play with killers. You have talk work
You have Ursa like Ursa Darkseer to get in the late game
It's kind of crazy or rather so in the mid game
You know speeding people up Ursa wants to go and play with an agent same as the Huskar
You search them up you allow them to be aggressive
So I do think Huskar the Darkseer gives him quite a lot but he is playing against laundry
This used to be one of like the biggest counters
Obviously nowadays you can get an illusion of the bear, but it's just it's the type of magic. You don't see that off
It's an illusion bear good
I mean it does have okay stats
I don't think it's like insane and I think the way it works also because so the bear counts as a hero
Which means you can only get an illusion either of the hero or of the bear
You can't have both separately right so you actually need to use some skill to get the bear because you don't want the hero
I still does that mean dark portrait works on the bear now, too
And I feel like since he was turned into a quote-unquote hero, it's like not everything actually applies though
It's like a case-by-case. It should also work like monkey King gets Jinggu, Slark gets Essence Shift
So you know you can you can play around with that
But yeah, we can see that now the boots are available on Thailand. We saw mid one as well
You know he has the triple slippers they talked about the oba frost which is super good against Oscar
I want to slow down his HP region. Technically, it's like a lot of damage for the sniper in this matchup
Yeah, it goes for the two in berserkers blood to start things up because of all the harassment coming out from mid one
And we'll see if there's any rotations at any point from LGD to try to
Capitalize on what Huskar provides in the early game and you got Wyvern and clockwork both
Technically speaking pretty good at ganking, but it is a sniper is gonna be keeping the range pretty high
It's you could look for something in like the nighttime
I think where the clock can potentially move over into the mid lane, you know with a I would say like a smoke even other than that
It's pretty hard, but yeah, this is absolutely the build that you have to go for you do see mid one
He is of course the counter pick to the house guard and like I said
There are only very few heroes that are actually able to do this where you know
He's not winning the lane but being able to draw it and kind of hold is pretty good
You know I'm getting harassing to get cold embrace outside of the firestorm so not taking that percentage base damage anymore. I mean historically
Ursa versus underlord is good for ursa. Is that still the case or if things change?
No, it's definitely still the case. Underwater can apply quite a bit of pressure early on. You have way higher damage.
I mean, Ursa level 1 and 2 is kind of a bot here. I'm not gonna lie. You know, whereas Underlord, he's received a lot of buffs throughout time, you know, the pit deals damage, Firestorm is good, your early damage is good.
But now that they're starting to get levels on LGD, I do think this lane is very, very difficult for them to play.
Tylong, is he going to actually go for a gank here or is he going to run into Yamachu?
He's getting blocked a bit, slowed down by KJ, going for the extra damage from Tylong
and TP, but will be fine.
So a little bit of wasted time there, that leaves mid one to his own devices, the mid
lane pressuring the tier one all by his lonesome.
Me especially so, like going for the 0-2-2 build, doing very well, kind of pushing Tylong
You know, into the jungle, now you can get some levels in the Shrapnel to also, you know, help yourself recover, have some gank ability.
So, I'm also quite happy, I would say, you know, with this type of mid lane that mid one is getting here.
Back he comes, so it's gonna be the first item.
Armlet, of course, as per norm for the Huskar players, and what do you go after that? Is this, say, I've seen Blink, you go agg, like third item, something like that?
Yeah, it's, there are different builds for Huskar, and I always like seeing a Blink early, but I don't see it that often from the type, from the players.
I think there's a lot of there's like boots of travels
There's like Sanji and Yasha acts is something you want later
Obviously, you also need to kind of play with a BKB against this radiant draft as well and then play you know with your early
Aches is which they absolutely need to get in this game. You're playing Ursa Huskar
If you're not getting early Aches, you are in a really bad spot
That's very true of the elicor showing off that battery assault very good skill
You might get first blood as a result as thailong dies shortly after so very close to first blood going away of mouse
At the very least for them, they do get the mid laner.
One second, Ferri!
And dead one, is he actually dead here?
Pops the Ferri fight, will survive, but now gets brought into a lot of action with a couple of support heroes, KJ and Theolokor finish the job that Tylong started there.
Almost a good return play by Yamashita, nice fair on the snowball also to delay all of this early damage.
But you can see, you know, that both supports are kind of freed up to farm.
I'll say it's more so the clockwork, you know, who's allowed to move around and farm because if you're leaving this underlords like this, this is kind of what's bound to happen.
Oh, yeah.
Batteries still continue to barely get off that pit and just get brought back into the cogs.
You can see those fury swipes go to work. This is why Ursa is so good against strength heroes.
This completely decimates them if left alone.
It's very difficult for Boon to play that type of area on his own. Like, if he doesn't see them, that's very nice.
The question is, is he going to actually pay the price here?
Panto gets the dual breath off with a nice con.
Who talks it to?
Gailan joining the party, pounding upon.
You get the snowball up the last moment.
Onto the winter Wyvern, mid one is going to burn though,
as Yuma somehow gets the last hit there.
Even the Ursa coming out.
Very early rotation for position one on LGD.
These are the type of moves that I really, really love.
You have the sniper who's the counter pick into the Husker.
If you can bring any numbers on these early moves
to actually push your Husker to be stronger, to fight into the counter-pig, and on top
of all of this get a kill on mid one, that's very very huge for you.
Boom.
Desperately wanting this solo XP, the seven minute wisdom strength about to pop as well
as LGD making, they're putting themselves in pretty good spot to be able to steal it.
There's Yamach only level three right now on the tusk, and yeah they're just gonna get
this for free, so FioloCore, not even pressure at this point.
members of LGD get that easy on the other side and trying to get their own as a TP comes out so
they're going to get both from LGD's side. As Chrysalis is bare going to be in a world of hurt,
the Ola Korn might pay the price eventually. Boom is completely out of mana but we'll have
the moose being the last right click does the job. Not done yet. Tonight a creeps? No,
Whisper gets the last hit there. I haven't really talked about him yet and I feel like he has been
kind of the story of LGD and a lot of these, especially the games that they're behind early,
feels like he gets on track and then brings them back in the game for so many scenarios.
Now for sure, we all kind of know Whistler is a, he's very much a joker and I think most of the
time he like in a very positive sense, like this guy just plus out very good performances even when
he's left in kind of a bad situation, he does quite a lot. So mid one was able to take down the
mid tier one, which does matter, I would say it matters perhaps a little bit less because usually
when you get to do this, you get to move around a lot, you get every active rune on like your
storm your ember, of course sniper, not the best at using early runes, still very good
for them, but they did lose the double wisdom shrine.
Yeah.
So I long now under the cover of tier two, as you can see, mouse kind of invading the
jungle a bit to see how many stacks, so they're not really that many to speak of.
I do like the early vision though from mouse, like if you look at it, very aggressive wards,
bottom lane ward, one of the dire ancients, now the deep one here as well, and you have
Fondue Lord level 6 available for later.
First life break of the game for Panto, he's dead to rights.
Genshin will pop up some very fire but not gonna survive.
Maybe one of the meantime getting chased by Yuma.
Be able to kill the courier and he's just dead.
That's not worth it.
Yeah, not nearly the same value of life there.
There's a double kill now from Ty.
Long so three dead for Maus.
LGD kind of caught with their pants down in the enemy jungle.
Not sure what the plan was.
No, that really hurts because as I pointed out too,
I really like the vision, they had an aggressive one in the jungle, but then Panto gets kind of caught off guard, he dies, then mid one is the secondary guy, and then damage as well.
Boom force out of the top lane.
Yeah, so even though after you take the mid tier one, like dropping all this pressure, it hurts a lot.
Yeah, the supports are suffering in the levels as a result of the Wisdom Shrine as well, as...
Smoke now comes out from LGB, I mean the very least Boom did catch up in terms of his leveling, but another life break for Panto,
Another death for the twin headed dragon so 2k lead for LGD and typically speaking this is very good news for hussgar line
Yeah, the question is can they pressure crystallists?
Oh, they don't have any teeth gonna jump on them with the bear slow down as Ty long
No, I thought he was gonna go for it, but looks like the bear should be able to finish it
Lifebreak will get the slow and the kill
So mouse bleeding a lot here 10 to 2 for LGD as they keep the pressure on as a tier 1 looks to be theirs as well
No, LGT are going for a lot of small plays into one another.
You get the triple kill mid, and you see the respawn.
You know Sniper TP mid, you know Tusk TP somewhere else,
so it's so easy for them to smoke up into this bottom area.
Even if Tristilis dodges his move, his tower will die,
but obviously on top of that, they also killed him.
3K Gold lead, Yuma goes back to the top area,
so they're able to hold this tier one at least for now.
Yeah, the tower's pretty healthy still,
and it's not really that fearsome of a trio right now
Now to be able to push that tower to level 4 supports.
It's a little bit of like the other stuff, so yeah, you have this first pick Lone Druid, which mind you, we've seen it a few times and it's not looked very good.
So then you pick the Huskar, you kind of force in a way, like not really to pick Sniper, but there aren't that many options.
Sniper, Lone Druid together are very greedy, like Sniper doesn't really move around.
We all know that Lone Druid is not a hero for like 20 minutes.
I feel like this is a pub thing, I only see this in pubs.
Sloan Druid Snipe.
Yeah, it's just sometimes specific drafts call for specific answers
So we'll have to see how mouse kind of riddled through this because as well for underlord
He's a follow-up hero
He's not gonna gate first and set you up with like an ATOS. You need a really good game for that
He's he lain into an earth in a clockwork ganking him
So you cannot expect boom to start any fight for you either. It's interesting that you say that because he's actually going first item
Aghanim Scepter usually this is the second or a third
I love this because it feels like they just don't have any initiation whatsoever
I mean, yeah, if I'm playing against these Diaheroes, you're not building Auras against Ursaid.
Fuzzy Bear just swipes right through them, he pipe his uses, even Crimson, you know, the Fury Swipes just kind of stack up.
So going for something bigger and better with the Ags, I honestly don't mind it. I think it's quite good because mouse, they need to farm.
They need to sit back, relax, get some items, and see if they can weather the swarm here.
Will LGD let them do that, though? Ciel, of course, are getting chased now by the Bear.
Assassinate coming for him.
The bear eventually catches up with the help of the ice pad, so nice hook shot with the
eye ground, though, whisper, keeping his ally safe.
Looks like he's going to be just fine.
He's going to avoid the shrapnel.
Lee cold and braced, and he was sticking around for potential aggression now on LGD's side,
so it just, I mean, mouse can't even kill the support in that case.
That is not a good sign at all.
That hurts, and going back, you know, to the double wisdom shrine, like Panto only level
five.
there you probably get that kill. That's also 12 but LGD is very very happy with the trajectory of
this early game right now. Whisper, he's a Serg. Looking to maybe get initiation off here. Cold
Embrace on the Centaur. Is he going to turn this around on to Panto with the ball of the game and
now the Chrysler's is bare looks like he'll fall. Oh yeah, free gold we like those.
245 not too shabby. Not too bad Whisper. People absolutely take that.
The lead continues to grow now.
Who's building the helm of the overlord.
We'll see what he can get down with that later.
And we heard also Seb on the panel
talk about the Darkseer Shard, which is very good.
When you have a lot of people moving in with the surge,
you know, leaving the trail around with the slows.
Super, super powerful.
Yep, true.
We talked about the battle fury.
That's going to amplify the Ursa's farm quite a bit.
And this question really remains,
when can Maus start fighting?
Like, Agatom's Scepter for Underwood is like the bare minimum.
Obviously the Blink Dagger is being the focus for Yammich, who's 1700 into that now, so that's good news.
Yeah, I would say it's Yammich's Blink that you just pointed out, and then trying to split up LGD a little bit on the map,
I think would be a good starter because Christal is, like, the way Longwood plays nowadays is that he wants to split the map,
he wants to get his items and play some 1v1 kill combo.
So I think for now, there's absolutely just gonna keep farming.
on LGD to keep up the pressure, probably also take a first roach.
I think this nighttime in at 15 to 20, they can really look to speed it all up.
Because yeah, at the moment if Miles goes for play, I don't think they have the most damage.
You need to blink, you need Panthers ult, and then they can start cooking somewhere.
So Dragon Lance and Orbit corrosion right now onto the Sniper.
And what's the status on the Burr?
Do we have Maelstrom yet?
We do.
He's trying to close into his Mjolnir, still a little bit away.
And I think mid one is probably going for a similar build.
Like I haven't really seen that many other builds on sniper I was you could
Like you can add a bow mouse from or like specialist array into a hydro spree. I don't really know where he's using me with
I love this item
I don't know if he can really do it in this game because it's quite greedy because the only problem with hydro spree
Also is that you're not building a pipe like you're turning your dragon last into something aggressive and in this game
I think you need grenade and pike and probably a silver edge later
Feels like you need to be seven slot. Yeah
Well, this is good to be a very scary lineup.
We have some community farming going on, you know, when you can't really make up aggressive
plays, you're going to go for the farm, you're going to stack up some stuff, and it should
be close to his pling.
Bad news for Maus is Blink Dagger now up for Yuma, which would, to me, indicate that they
actually want to start pushing their lead a little bit more and have the Dragon Lance
armlet for the Huskar, still going for that Hurricane Pike.
This is troublesome, Shannik.
There are CR400 from Shark.
It's not just a top net with Ursa, as we hear a hook-a-shot.
Yeah, lifebreak to follow up. That's a dead Tusk.
Nice macro fire, though, into the punch.
Musk are getting really low actually burst to the ground. A huge kill for Mouse.
They desperately needed it. Again, they have a clockwork as well.
And now you can see Whisper on the run. The curse is going to stay in his life.
Actually, the lone druid might pay the ultimate price here as well to own Pear.
He does get killed off. That is unreal.
That was a very neat turn because that looked really good for Miles.
Like this entire fight, Yuma wasn't there.
They kind of got to take this 4v5 fight.
But honestly, that curse really salvaged that one.
Did Boom walk into that like way after and get him killed?
I feel like I didn't see that.
I didn't see that.
We'll see the end here as, you know, there's a good gate to hide to make use of this.
That was even without the blink dagger on Yavage.
So, of course, we'll keep our eyes on this building.
First, look at Boom.
And yes, he died. Oh my god.
That is so unfortunate, but really good for the viewership here. We enjoy that.
And for us, yeah.
Yammich.
Oh, that is rough.
Yeah, that was honestly, that was pretty good until the, well, very, very end.
Which I'm sure we'll be referencing a few times.
Yeah.
Very unfortunate for Mouse.
They saw a little glimmer of hope and then kind of gets brought back down to Planet Earth as the first
Roche being contested here, well not contested, rather being taken by LGD. I don't think it's going to be contested at all from mouse.
No, I don't think so.
They don't really have, I mean they have shrapnel for a little bit of vision in the pit, but I feel like you just can't fight in here right now.
It's really difficult. I think what mouse needs is the only conditions to fight is either A, you split up LGD or B.
You kind of force LGD to be like deep on your side and like overplay as they did on the mid tier one
If they're static on like a rose, that's not a position that you can take a fight
They break onto the bear. They just get shredded
Attempting to TP out, that is not gonna happen. Tylong easily claims it and now the tier two in his sights
Smoke from mouse looks like they may want to fight
Right.
Oh.
Shot.
Onto the other side.
Looks like on the other side of the wall, actually, you must have been in trouble.
In no man's lane, he's getting...
He's not.
He does not have the Aegis because that is on the Huskar instead, so mouse.
They get something.
They lose the lone druid, but they get the Ursa, which at this stage of the game, they
would actually take that trait every time you have it jumping in with a big punch.
That's the Aegis down as well.
So, LGD, they do get the Tier 2 though, and now, Mouse on the run,
they'll be able to claim this creep in all likelihood,
as Agatham Scepter is officially up for boom, so...
That was really good for them. Like, sure you did lose the Tier 2,
but you kill Yuma, who was having a banger of the game, and you take out the Aegis,
like, nearly immediately, because when it's Aegis, I'm pretty sure they would've gotten all the Tier 2 towers and your Outlaws.
So, any type of delay for Mouse is super, super good.
Well, I need to pay keeping attention to mid one's net worth because mid one needs to have a good game here for them
To kind of you know bring them into the game for now
He had to go for the shard bit of defensive nets and he's queuing up a shadow blade
So wants to get the silver edge later for the break and the movement speed cap
Yeah, Mitch gonna run right into the clock or getting the okay to hook shots of that's the death of the old car
Mid one gets an easy pick off there
And the assassin on the KJ
We'll be able to lock it off
Why do those pits look so big? He doesn't have anything that increases, does he?
I will say like when there's like some high ground, low ground on some of the areas, it looks like ginormous.
See, this is where you go for the chasm item.
I mean, you'll get it later anyway. You're going to build into like a Shiva's Guard.
Maybe, I was also thinking like you, Scepter, could be quite good in like this type of matchup.
You're playing against Ursa. You're playing against Arts here, which is also pretty nice, but you know, obviously there's only so many items you can really go for.
And I like what Gumi has queued up at the moment.
Something else we heard them talk about on the panel.
Healing, like owning healing restoration is not that easy nowadays.
And first of all, this item builds out of Ghost Scepter, incredible against Haskar and the Bear.
And lowering their healing and HP reach against Haskar and Winter Wyvern is insanely good.
Yeah, that's true. I love that item.
It is definitely underbought, as the Crystallis gets a very much needed injection of gold as he's bottom on the network.
Oh wow, I didn't even notice that.
Yeah, yeah, once he gets that Agnum Scepter, I'm sure it'll be a little bit better for him.
He won't have to be near his bear.
You'll get to just stand on the other side of the map as we all love to see for the lone druid.
Also got my eyes on Yamach, like this guy on Tusk.
It's one of his absolute Ziggy heroes.
And of course, as we know around this time, Shannon, you get the greedy enchantment.
And Yamach, he's a big fan of the Walrus Kickity Kick Kick, which they're going to need.
You're going to need some big bombs, flip-flops in this game to shoot people out of position.
I do love flip-flops. Can't complain about that.
I mean, especially if you're defending high ground, the kick is insanely good.
I mean, it feels like it's so hard to play against.
When you look at Maus' scaling overall, it's not bad at all.
And high ground defense is very good. You have Sniper, you have Underlord, you have Jakiro and Tusk later with a couple of items.
And I like what they're doing currently. They're holding a pretty good position on the map, hoping that LGD kind of bite on this.
But maybe going through the gate here is usually the first team to get Roche will get Tormacher.
I don't know if that's going to be the case here.
You're just toying around with it.
Are you shooting wrong?
He knows what's up.
Yeah, faking the gate.
Is he going through?
No, Maus just sitting here.
Keep waiting, everyone.
It's definitely coming.
Patience is a virtue.
They're going to go through instead now, and they're going to get hit by cocks.
They're going to go through now.
the Elocor able to force you away, get snowballed into the punch. Is that enough, Tylo? I'm going to join
the party as well, then there's the Underlord ult with the Agni Step that the Elocor is going to
get. Heal the last moment, the macro fire right on top of him. Crystal is a bear looking for a
target, only can find the Wyvern as the Elocor eventually does die. Here, as the bear absolutely,
Crystal is eaten up, coming in from the other side with a shield rune, and now the mass exodus
Spore mouse they will get out successfully, but this means tormenter is LGD's
That was some hilarious back and forth
Sometimes they're like you know screw this guy
He keeps pressing the gate and then suddenly you go through you go way to be like you might have an insane initiation
You're Christmas didn't you can get his old off like he still died in the transformation form
Skajet will get a free shard on his max outheal
8k lead now on the board and a full BKB to boot on whispers
He is not dying anytime soon on these dogs here, unless I am full on Caster Cursing him.
You're not Cinder, so you don't have to worry about that.
I'm not as powerful.
And this gank is successful on the Troll Summoner from Maus.
250 gold, we'll take that.
So Shadowblade mid one, you said that you think he's going to go Silverage right off the bat?
I believe so, like the grenade might just be enough.
Obviously, you can go for the pike here, but the thing is you didn't really go a full scaling item.
Like if you wanted to farm more and you would have gone left-drum or of course the specialist's away.
But now that you're going Shadowblade, I think the Silver Edge would help you unlock, like a bit of fighting.
You can break the Huskar and if you start on them they can't really get searched out, so I would like that.
It feels like if you went for a more normal build, it would...
I feel like it doesn't work with Lone Druid as your other core.
Like a more farming build?
That's a good curse.
Yeah, a curse onto the creep to hold the Tusk in place, the Amish is dead.
Yuma eats him up.
As he did play some ward right before dying, so if they paid attention to his inventory,
hopefully they had their eyes open to check out that there was an observer ward.
Hard to keep your eyes open with the lights apparently.
That's true, but that's why we pause at the start of the game to look at them now.
That's right, yeah.
So what was his pause for if they're still blind?
Might as well just leave them on.
Yeah, true.
Yes, 33 wouldn't be happy about that.
This would be a great opportunity to get some
sunglasses sponsorships for these teams, you know?
They'd look a lot cooler.
True.
They wouldn't look nearly as nerdy.
But then they would hide their emotions even more. I don't think we need that.
They have no emotions. That's what we learned. Except for KJ, of course.
Shout out to KJ.
The god himself. As a smoke now from mouse, or from LGD rather.
9K lead. Roche, we won't know for another minute.
As a blink dagger online for Whisper.
They're gonna run right into Crystalus! Absolutely destroyed!
And now the hookshot finding Panto easy secondary kill
my goodness
Or Chrysalis cannot get off the ground right now. They have no counter play to ill doesn't have the axe
I feel like we talked about it so long ago
It's a promise. They have no counterplay to this jump. There is no force staff
There is no BQP piercing anything unless the amateurs here to punch the bear in the face
This is just a quick one-two punch like you much as having an absolute free be of a game
Yeah, this is all set up by Theolokor. Rocket Flare is insanely powerful just for the vision alone.
As a tier 2, we'll be claimed from LGD now, and we'll see how fast this roche ends up spawning.
Of course, like we've talked about time and time again, the Huskar Earth...
I mean, who do you want to see the ages on if LGD do in fact get it?
Probably the Huskar, I think, on the second one. At the start, I think it would have been good on Earth
to keep clearing up the entire map, but you have all of the towers down.
So I think you can look more so like they will give it to whoever they feel like will break the high ground more
Is it more about the idea of Oscar can actually hit the tier threes later or you just want to give it to earth?
So so you can go ham and kill heroes, right?
And honestly, I think you can make a case for both. I mean, how do you like their push in general?
It's a bit underwhelming incredible especially against the radiant heroes like snipers. It's gonna start peeping you
There's pits on the ground. There's your hero just throwing spells. So yeah, they should be more playing around map play
I would say oh, we have a curse as sniper going to ham on the tusk right now
But he just two shots the wyvern came to just gets destroyed time with a pkb though
They're gonna focus on mid one easy kill yeah into pencil as well
Nothing comes for free three dead already from mouse is boom
Nowhere to go battery salt slows them down and that's gonna be for dead double kill for whisper
LG just way too easy to fight for them
Yeah, and suddenly the high grounding of the pushing is becoming really easy four heroes are dead
I don't... I'm trying to think what mouse saw that they walked up that high ground, maybe someone from LGD was showing on the map, I assume.
Not that Wister was also in the fight, so yeah, I guess LGD just kind of getting a good jump overall there as Yuma, he's hunting.
Still not finished, my goodness. 400 away from the agonist sector on Chrysler's. Is he still bottom net worth on the core side?
I believe the answer is yes. I am not impressed with first-rate long grid.
Yeah, we've cast, I think, three or four of these now, and it's been countered very easily, it seems.
I guess this is just good positioning from KJ. Like, he's on the Oscar at this high ground board that they have,
and even though not everyone from LGD were here, with the timing of the curse, they all just get to walk over.
And Ghost Scepter, definitely good for the right clicks of Huskar and Arsa, but not so much against Life Break.
Yeah.
There's a reason, you know, there's that meme build with E-Blade.
True.
On Huskar himself, he just literally one shot at one point and dealt his history.
I don't know if Huskar needs any more things that he currently doesn't have.
I already hate that hero as is.
Hates a strong word.
I hate Huskar.
Huskar, the Agh, Tinker.
These are like, the older Tinker out of the realest.
Okay, J-Ho, boy.
They're gonna find mid one.
They have the vision.
Curs is there.
Only on the solo target, but Whistler's gonna try to connect.
The hook shot hits inside the cogs.
Now the back wall right on top mid one is dead right off the bat
They get the jacquero as well
and they haven't lost KJ, but
That's the majority of the team now for mouse in the grave. So you get this Roche for free. This is the banner as well
It's so annoying like I'm just trying to think if I'm mid one how annoying is it that both my cores like
They don't really want to play at the moment in the terms of that underlord is global the bears global
So while you smoked up with three heroes, your supports aren't gonna walk in, so then it's you!
Look at this, like, solo Sniper.
Also great reaction by Kager to get the curse into the immediate bullet embrace.
Like, he gets cursed, walls, hookshot it, and pops curse on top of him.
What do you want from Lil Bro? You can't do anything!
Yeah, in hindsight, it does look weird that you have a Sniper going first.
Typically it would be your off laner, but because Underlord has Agz,
you're not gonna be playing like that and maybe at this stage of the game they were expecting the
the lone druid having a form to be that guy anyway or at least the bear itself or also at that
stage I think you have to give up Roche like if if you're radiant if you're mouse you need to think
about a win condition I don't think your win condition is ramming your head into a 50k goldly team
that has a full on positioning on the Roche pit I think you need to play for later timings like
lone druid just got an agonist he doesn't want to fight christalis wants more items if you're mid one
I believe you want more items if you're Yamage they need to start dreaming big because doing these type of plays
I don't know if that's good for you
If you find Tylong in their jungle, KJ nearby though and assassinate hits
But I'm gonna be any follow-up here obviously the silver edge is something that Tylong does have to be a little bit scared of
But yeah, I mean you say dreaming big actually dreaming defensively
Yeah, I sit in here like it's all about high ground defense because we talked about how great their team is in theory
Like I think start dreaming of like big items, you know
You have the high ground defense with the sniper if the game delays and you get the kickback and to potential stuff
Like you need to continuously think about a plan of how you can win and currently I'm not seeing like a real idea
Yeah, Yamaha is going for you. So it's not an agonist. Scepters is next pick. I mean obviously that's a huge purchase
I teased you about this specialist array. Oh, baby as whisper giving him a couple goals
we're getting 250 gold closer to what we want to see. Also, how is Whisper's net worth this
ginormous? Check in PC, bro, it's up 4k gold on Yuba. I feel like we have barely even talked about
Whisper this game. So, has Shiva's Blink BKB, Helmin' the Overlord, no big deal, 3k into a
refresher now? I guess it's just the idea also of having a dominator guy in your team. First of
all, dominator is a great item as is Overlord. And I think when you play against Laundry, that
that you can constantly put either just a treat there to deal with the incoming
waves which is I assume what he's doing or you have other forces just threatened
to kill the bear which both Ursa and Hasgur do I think it's a great answer to
the zero we're gonna see a nerf with Helm of the Overlord feels like he's been
extremely strong at this tournament the Olycork getting gone on by mid one but
now whisper shows up and like you said top of the game so he's gonna get the solo
kill. Very nicely done. They'll take that. Ron, you have it.
Attempting to, he'll be fine. Yuma, what does he have right now? He does have the bash here, so if he had the blink up, would he be able to get that in all likelihood?
Dead bear. Yep, bear is dead. Is that bear number one or two here? It's going to be down for 30 seconds, so one and a half, let's call it.
Kind of kind of close, but I do like the macro movement from LGD
Like when you have this much map control and you have the outpost control
You want to push them out on the opposite side, which in this case is bottom once you force them to TP base
You can do exactly what they did you flush them out of bottom you double TP to the outpost and now suddenly you have great map control
And what do you do here?
This is a great timing off the banner and the double siege wave by the way great change that we have double
Seages earlier not a 35 but a 30 like that one
Good job. I strong good job. I had lock that is
Why'd that blow? Keep it up.
Don't worry about it.
What was that?
You know the core?
It's on top of Panther right now.
It's gonna see the fiends gate come out.
That's a kill.
And boom, a little bit late to the party, but
he'll be able to go back through that fiends gate
until it breaks, but his carry
or his mid laner rather in mid one
getting gone on and destroyed.
The damage is a BKB pot from Tylan.
He's just standing as grand as the back wall comes out on two.
Along with the first, he's gonna reposition with the hurricane pipe.
I can't fight. Icepack, nicely placed as you was just gonna jump in with that BKB and destroy boom and likely destroy their hopes for game number one.
That's a full lane and it should be way more than that as well. 24K lead, LGD. Got to finish this game in style.
They're so far behind and LGD has very good spell casting, everything they're doing, KJ, again, Whisper also.
For the people that didn't clearly see it, he has a refresher, or he got double wall, double vacuum in this entire...
This might be one of the baddest darks here, I've ever seen.
If anybody want to finish that.
Yo, wait guys, it's a Neemerike, so...
Anybody want to click that?
Yo, Whisper will take an Ancient Creep, or any type of Creep, he will take a Johnny, and send it over there.
No, you must got it.
Alright, that's an Ancient Creep right there.
He's controlling him, all good.
Probably.
So two lanes and the tier three top they're gonna back away for the time being a soft reset as it were as the ages
Expires with 30k lead for LGD. I
Always like to say when you out GPM the clock or when you're close to it with a 1k golden
You know so a 30 k lead of 32 minutes the game is like it's incredibly hard
It's near they take a fight right now. They want percent. Yeah, all right
Show me the 1% gave in a mouse. I'm cuz I'm ready to see it. I dress breath might put it from one to two percent
Yeah, they don't have enough data on Hydra's path.
That's just humble to win, right?
Probably rounds up as well, surely.
NA company after all.
True.
NMS.
They're not going to go the discipline round.
Of course, again, this is an elimination series,
so you've got to play it a bit safe as...
Ty Lung will get the shard, so that's the cauterize old facet.
It's honestly pretty...
I'm also like at this point, like you were so...
And everything they get is just luxury at this one.
He's got the Agathams queued up for now,
which of course, you know, more control,
everything is great, people start getting
like maybe some BKBs, they wanna get away from you.
And also like, Christales, he wants to go for a Silver Edge.
Of course, anything at this one won't feel great.
You have a very huge deficit you're playing into.
They wanna go for a potential bait on the bear.
Honestly, I wouldn't really mind that play.
The only problem is if LGD are just like,
Yo, bros, we're knocking up on your high ground, and you're going to have to go back anyway.
Yeah, do they even fear the bear at this point?
It's a Shadowblade, Mjolnir, Axe.
They definitely don't.
You know, he's actually setting up for it.
Rocket Flare into the bash.
You know, they get the fiends gate out as well.
It's going to pop the BKB along with the enrager.
If it did, what is there?
They get a huge back wall and basically everybody, and surely this is the end of the game.
It's LGD easily winning this fight, trying to go through the fiends gate again,
get again but it's not to be gonna get life broken oh yeah she is going through
it now the cost of the last moment push him out where's the gate even go it's
great in the radiant these are that would have been a nice play barely
turning out that's yeah LGD any play they go for it it's honestly quite hard
for miles to just stop it even there with the blink punch if any spell even
clips mid one he's dead you ma going for the bear on bear action yeah this is the
Not so great bears. They're gonna call GG and that does it for game number one.
LGD completely stomping.
Yeah, just gotta feel good if you're LGD. You're 15-1 on Yuma, 8-0 on Whisper.
I think their supports in the early game got a lot going. Same with KG.
Just very nice spell usage overall. And I think if you're mouse,
Honestly, a lot of the games just haven't felt that good. I think first pick longer. It also hasn't felt amazing.
It's not just them though. Several teams have first picked longer and it hasn't worked.
I mean, maybe it's confirmation life for the games that we've been casting, but it's been pretty rough for the loan druid overall.
Yeah, and that's just ending up with, I would say, a draft that's very much overlapping and what you want to do, like both loan druid and Sniper are very soul.
And against LGD, you know that these guys are going to run you over if you give them any opportunity or any space on the map.
And Tylon ends the game 6-2 on Huskar, Yuma 15-1 on the Earthse.
He started out 5-0 in the first, I want to say, 6 or 7 minutes.
He was very, very hot to start the game.
And of course, Whisper was kind of uncontested on the darkseer, basically, full game, end
to 8-0.
He had a better performance.
And these are just the type of performances.
You've got to try to slow them down from it.
And also, the lone druid against the Huskar trade, that's not a favorable trade for you
at all.
If you're a mouse, I'm expecting them to do a little bit of a switch up here for game number two
and give a little bit more aggression here to fight into this LGD style.
Yeah, it's not like even on paper, even if things went relatively okay,
the Sniper and Linger kind of feel like the same type of hero archetype in a way,
as opposed to like some sort of Ember type mid,
which we've seen mid one absolutely destroy on many a time.
Yeah, and it's also, I think LGD just kind of cornered them, and you know, kudos to them.
They played very well, Tylong as well on his house guard.
He is incredibly good at this hero.
And I just think showing some very calm gameplay,
very calculated, nice discipline, like what I've seen.
All right, Sheva!
Thank you, such fun and kissing.
This was a quite one-sided ordeal,
and, yeah, Seva decided didn't want to watch this one anymore.
We got replacement upgrade for my team.
Nice lives are you doing?
I don't think anyone would say that I'm gonna upgrade
from Seva, but it is a pleasure to be here.
Thank you so much, Sheaver. Yes, what an incredible, holy moly.
That was a game. Now, your boy here knows bad games.
That was a bad game as well.
But yes, you know, you got to fight for your life there.
Not too great from our boys' mouths,
but I believe I'm a big mouse lover, okay?
Who's getting reported from the team?
Like, you love to report people, don't you?
I am not a report.
If you report people, the reports against you stack, okay?
They are more powerful.
So, do people...
No, I meant you're a reporter
because you, like, report stuff from Dota scene.
Oh, Jesus. Yeah, that is also true.
I was just kidding. You know what I meant.
Shut up, Lacoste. It's such a pleasure, such an honor to be here with such incredible people.
Lacoste, what do you think of that one big boy?
Ah, didn't look good from the start.
We had some very issues with the rotations and everything.
They understood what the matchup is going to be,
that they need to help them out relatively early on,
like the sniper against Khaskar.
We talked about the small items that they need to buy, this Orb of Frost.
They bought one sniper,
which they upgraded into Orb of Corrosion, an item that we usually don't see, and we saw another
small item on Jekiro, who also thought that it might be able to reduce some of the healing, but
not really. I mean, I wouldn't think about it. It's a good upgrade. We talked about that it could
be a very good pickup, but overall throughout the whole game, I feel like LGD Gaming, they were
kind of full pedal to the metal type of style of Dota, and we haven't really seen Maus do the same
thing because this is the type of a team that will try to fight you early on. The game was
kind of okay for the first three, four minutes and then they got outnumbered in every single fight.
Yeah, it was really rough, Schiefer, because you see these heroes and these are not new heroes for
either one of these teams. Like, you know that the Huskar has a chance coming out. It got banned
nine times before the series against this team and you also know their main strategy. They got an
Ursa, they got a Huskar. You know what they're going to try to do and the fact that you're not
able to answer that is not really a great sign. I think the biggest upset for me in this game,
and what I was surprised in, is that mouse did not pick anything that was crazy. Like,
Loan drew in the most picked hero in the entire group stage games. By many of the teams that
have been eliminated, they're not switching it up, and it just looked like they were lacking
a bit of that confidence. So, but hey, that's game one problems. Always game two, baby.
That's true. The trade for the first pick was definitely not worth it on hand side,
because we heard even Chrysler said,
again, Oscar, you know, we like to play the Oscar.
They like to play the Oscar.
Well, we want to play the Oscar.
And then, yeah, they give it to LGD.
So they thought that was a good trade.
One's not a good trade.
LGD, though, they were co-ruising this game.
I think they had an absolute blast, of course.
Whisper never dying in this first game.
Must have been a bit comfortable boost as well.
I feel like the cost they were really pressured.
Not at all, not in all these lanes.
like we talk about Darkseid that seems to become hero or like Offlane of the tournament pretty much
where the hero doesn't necessarily need to play the lane. He's like level one, I collect some of the
XP and see you later nerds. I'm out, I'm gonna be jungling, you see on top of the network,
top of the CS chart as well. Then he comes back, he can creep skip and having a great timing. Like
also this time around it's not just the helm of the Dominator, it's also full helm of the
Overlord making sure that you are gaining extra bit of a value from those creeps and always have
that Ghostbush available. Very nicely done from Whisper. This is one of his best heroes as well.
He has massive hero fold that he can bring to the table, but this one definitely being up there.
You got to be careful though with Darkseer. You never know when the patch could come mid-series
and then his vacuum gets another second off. Cool down. I mean this guy, I've not seen a hero
systematically nerf since TI won so many times. So you got to say that that's why they're bringing
it out in this pocket game. They're up for elimination. They're willing to destroy the hopes
and dreams of every single Darkseer player out there just to survive, and you gotta respect that.
Hey, you gotta respect it and it worked out very well for them. We talk a lot about the
Sniper Husker matchup before the game started after the draft, and Lacoste got some insights on that
matchup. Yeah, I mean it started really okay-ish for him, like I love the build on Sniper,
Triple Slipers, Orb of Frost immediately, but they said no, like we're not gonna be playing
this match up evenly and early on like they already killed them once and six minutes in they're
are going to be bringing extra numbers and look at the positioning King jungles coming in, Teolgar
from a different side, denied that amplified banditry got baited and also Ursa you might
decided you know what I'm also going to be joining in this fight making sure that we are bringing
in numbers and every single time like it's very important to try to ruin this hero as much as
possible in the early stages of the game making sure that he is not getting the farm so getting
getting an early kill and you might immediately go back to farming and the same thing is gonna
happen again but they killed its tower relatively early on in the draft so they planted an observer
ward here on the hill and it does allow them to kind of scout things out, kind of providing
the vision for the team, I don't know if we have the clip ready and yeah so it gives
them full sense of security and playing it a little bit too aggressive because they killed
the tower early on and then they are drawn into a really bad fight. This is
Sniper we're talking about. This is not your Ember Spirit or Storm Spirit who's
like level 6 or has some kind of an escape mechanism. So the only thing that he
could do is kill the Courier and be like you know what I'll respawn in 25-30
seconds so pretty difficult overall game for them like even at this point of the
game and there's gonna be another Yuma classic I would say where rest of the
team they are gonna be smoking up and they are making a little bit of a
over there because they are splitting up. You see that the Olycore and Tylawn, they're playing together,
they're going to be able to get a pick off and then KJ on Winter Vibrant is going to be connecting
from the other side of the map. So they're kind of pinching knowing exactly where Chrysalis is going
to be farming and Yuma with the Twin Gate rotation kind of seals the deal for this gank as well,
making sure that they are getting extra value on the kill, like on the map and immediately as
as soon as they get the kill, goes through the Twin Gates, goes back to farming, so very efficient like first six or seven minutes coming up from them.
Yeah, I feel like maybe after seeing that was there even a chance for Mouse to properly come back into this game, Sykes.
Absolutely not. I mean once you're standing in front of that double damage, four of you are running towards it and KJ just one-shots it, that's a GG no agree.
I mean, if Aame was still in this tournament, he would have quit immediately after seeing that and I can't blame the guy.
You know sometimes in pro donut. There's a real thing just gotta say you know what guys it's over
It's all a new one on to the next on the next and I do believe no joke that we will get a next
I don't think there's gonna be a shutout. I believe in mouse. I'm a mouse believer and yeah
Just sucks. Let's just get through that one. Yeah game one was no good, but you come back for game two was on space
It's like so what about the bear? I think this is also a bit of a statement saying like my my bear is stronger than your bear
I in nature bears eat each other all the time. I
Don't I don't think they do a hundred percent polar bears are the only creatures that will hunt humans on purpose
That is correct
It has nothing to do with bears eating bears and if you put a polar bear next to a black bear
It will eat this shit out of it, and it will enjoy it
Yeah, but they don't normally that's different. We don't have to get into schumann bio. I don't know bears
He's not even a bear. He's a he's a man who transforms into bear
So we're not even gonna talk about the bio mission. He has a pet bear
Okay, he'll eat the pet too. You think polar bear cares? Anyway, what I'm saying is obviously we're not gonna be seeing the lone druid again
That would be psychotic and that's the reason we're on this tangent
They are gonna pick something cool and it's not gonna be sniper because that was from psychotic to
Skitso, we don't want to see sniper again obviously against the Huskar
But I have faith in Mr. Faith, a mortal faith that he's gonna be back there just PACK getting those guys ready to go
is the husker was his the main problem across to you
okay I don't even know what he said I'm gonna start talking about polar bears
you know black bears being get on a target or something like they started
stuff listening how easy is it to shape for miles to shape off this loss and
think you know we know how scarce strong we want huskers well we gave way
Husker trait wasn't good just bad Husker go next maybe I think maybe the
combination of the heroes it felt like they needed to counter like three
different heroes in the like three different lanes and they ended up with
a bit of a like two-krock draft even for mouse to pull off that was smart that
was good wrong though absolutely you know they don't have problems this is
when you get in your enemy's head game one elimination series you know you pick
some silly stuff they're coming back then it's not one guy's fault all right
This is a strategy. I'm telling you. This is it. They're so confident you win that game at your LGD
Just these guys have no idea what's going on
You'll see shiver
We might see I will also think LGD with this win
Has gained a lot of confidence one of the things during group stages that we were worried about was that for example?
Thailand wasn't gonna be able to step up on the main stage and suffer from these confidence issues
And then we saw him in the 1v1
They realized, you know, that confidence he had solved, he'd proved himself, so he is doing fine, the team's doing fine.
Of course, from that game, if I was to point out one MVP, it would be Whisper, not dying a single time, having a great Darkseer game.
And speaking of Whisper, he is also the one that even before the series got the chance to talk to Purge.
Hello, I'm here with Whisper from LGD. First question, curious how your tournament performance
is feeling so far from your perspective?
How do you feel about the tournament from your perspective?
I think very good. I think we've had a lot of fallback against several teams.
I think we were hit by a little bit of the game against Onewin to give us the B2.
We didn't recover well for Jandex, but we're going to try to give the best of us for the rest of the tournament.
I think we've been doing really good but we really took a heavy blow in our game against
one win and we tried to recuperate a little bit with our game against Jandex and for now
we're only trying to do the best we can for the rest of the tournament.
Makes a lot of sense.
You've had a lot of hero varieties so far.
You've played Snapfire, Enigma, Pudge, Batrider, like a lot of different heroes.
I was curious why your variety is so wide right now.
Are you just experimenting with different heroes or are you just trying to create like
different draft situations every game?
Have you played with a lot of different heroes, like Snapfire, Pog, Chenigma, etc?
I want to ask you if it's because you're trying different skills,
trying to train different situations for the draft,
or is there a big variety of your turn?
I think I've played quite a few different heroes since I was a kid.
I think Cotolofflin and other heroes are not usual to see, I think, in the role.
But I don't think I can change any of the drafts,
I like heroes a lot and I play a lot of rankings and other stuff.
I try a lot of things. Sometimes they work, sometimes not.
Sometimes some things that work in rankings, maybe they don't work in tournaments,
but you don't lose a lot trying. I think that's one of the reasons.
I mean, I play heroes that I know, that I know I can do the whole game.
It's not a hero that I don't know very well and I'm there, like, fending.
I think I've always played different heroes.
For example, they keep you from the light and the off-lane.
And I do play a lot of pups.
So sometimes I grab something I do in pups
and try to do it in professional matches.
Sometimes it doesn't work, sometimes it works.
But I always try, it's not that I'm trying to do
very situations for different tracks.
I'm just trying to play the heroes
I know I'm comfortable with.
I prefer that over playing heroes that maybe
I don't really play that well.
I'm not really comfortable with it and then I'm defeating.
So I just play this variety of heroes
because I feel comfortable with them
and that's why I follow the playing.
I guess if that's where you feel strong, that makes sense.
You guys had an off day yesterday.
What was your prep like against Maus?
Did you just watch replays?
Do you normal stuff, play some scrims?
Yesterday you had a free day, what was your preparation for the game against Maus?
Did you watch replays, scrims? What did you do?
Well, we played... I don't remember the truth, I have no idea.
I think we played a scrim, I don't remember very well, I think it was a very bad scrim, I think it's not very bad.
But, more than anything, I think one thing that has a lot to do with you is mentality.
I think we have a lot of problems sometimes with the attitude of one team and that is happening to the other.
It's like a snowball, so I think that was the biggest problem we had, not so much about scrims, playing not so much macro, not so much gameplay, not so much mentality, and I think we fixed a bit of that yesterday.
I think we focused more on fixing the internal problems of the team than trying other things.
clashing and then there's a problem with you know one player and the player goes
to another player and it turns into a snowball. So yesterday we focused more
on fixing the you know internal conflict and issues with the players
themselves rather than in the game. That's very very important to solve that so
it makes sense why you focus on it. Okay well thank you for joining me for the
interview and good luck in your match.
We're ready for game number two of LGD vs. Miles here on the main stage for Dota 2 at
the eSports World Cup and I think Whisper was very open in that interview about a personality
issue and that was their main issue during the group stage where they came third in the
group of death so they did well not as well as they would want to do but of
course that is and that's big news that's likely worrying because I don't
think that was on our bingo card for this team no definitely not it looked
like you know the team's doing well the vibes are good and everything with the
newest addition to the team but apparently not like sometimes things
aren't as they seem like for example like I think slacks is a good example you
would say that this guy is like very normal good human being but then you get
to know him and then you realize he's even better but uh...
awww
thank you so much i really love being gaslit on this uh panel but yeah
that was actually insane
i uh player just say we have internal issues personality issues that's what
the ex-wife said to me
there's no fixing that
before she walked out that's what she said so i can't believe they just said
that that's really cool and trying to fix that in a day as well
in a day just yesterday a personality issue
how are you gonna do that
Electric stimulation. I think that's a therapy. Yeah. Yeah, all right to the front
I'll put those things on and zip it is up here
We go my friends hoodwink you gotta be picked up first
You know what good good way of fixing that is what's that winning cuz every team does well when they're winning
It's easy here. It's easy when you win
But if you're losing this is when the problems start to arise like everything's good when things are going good and
Let's see some of the openings LGD opening up with hoodwink. Yep. Love that hero
Why? I think this is the highest winning support, like we saw it being one of the most contested
ones as well. It feels really good, like super strong laner, and this is the type of a strat
that I think for now is opening up with Keeper of the Light. This is something that Yamich
plays extremely well, and it also compliments the hero pool from the mid lane, from mid
one. Like what he likes to play as well, to have a hero that's gonna go in with him,
and making sure to lower the cooldown. We're talking about pretty much all of the three
Spirits, Puck as well and also having mine. This is a hero that potentially they can be played
It can be played from the mid lane. This is something that the mid one did before as well
They did lose that game against Nemesis, but
It is what it is. The ideas are definitely up there
So I want to see something like maybe more stable coming out from them considering that they did lose six of their last seven games
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm gracious me and you guys want to know cheat code some that y'all haven't been picking up on on the panel
Okay, yeah, I've been watching a lot of panels here been looking at a lot of data
And let me tell you the item of the game the meta right now. You guys haven't figured it out
Let me tell you harder to ask baby heart of to rest. That's all that matters. If you're a centaur
Yes, no if you're any hero right now shiver. This is the first tournament since
2014 that two hearts have been purchased in two different games. Did you know Naga siren's win rate went up?
5% this week why heart first then bloodstone this item
There's something about it peels win rate is going up to if someone on your team can buy a heart
They're probably gonna win this broke 2014 is also the first time these two organizations face each other
I made my last time. I made up my fact. Is that one real the last time mouse versus LGD was a matchup
Obviously with different iterations. Yeah 2014. That's crazy. It's all coming back time is a flamethrower
All right monkey King that is not a hard purchaser, so they've lost but the gut try it is a crystallis hero
But he's very comfortable on that is very true. However
She very move we have to crazy stuff
We but he's in the trees and who drinks in the trees and he can scout the wood wings nice. All right. Yep that Lord checks out
Mm-hmm. What do you think about monkey look us? I think this is a hero that?
But it's not really meta by any means.
It's a hero that can, like in the right hands, be like a menace to deal with.
It gives them quite a lot of speed, gives you quite a lot of momentum.
Very good against most of these tanky offlaners as well that don't want to be laning.
But this is a very good response.
I like Largo a lot, I think this time around.
LGD, they're not a type of a team that I think would be flexing Largo.
I think you need to have a flex but after seeing the monkey king you you can trade against him really well in the lane
You have the lick to remove his extra bit of the damage remove his jingle keep him inside of the frog stump with the hoodwing
So not gonna be an easy lane for him by any means
Now a very smart pro player once said to me the weakest hero in the game of laning is Largo
That's what's last patch. Do you think that this still applies? You think Largo is weak in laning or absolutely not
Like I don't know there we go that guy who told you that so some of the games as well were mid-largo almost like beat Lina
Which is one of the lane dominators, so probably probably wrong
Maybe delete that guy from the friend list. Yeah, that was CC and see so guy has no idea when he's talking about what can you do?
Oh, no, is that loan drew it on the other side?
You got scammed you got to you know one of those fake ones that add you and steam that you already had him
So you probably accepted the fake he recently asked me to join his tournament. He did I can't walk back in the steam
But did you check your items? Are they're still there? Oh, no. Oh my gosh
We got a loan drew it that is kind of worrying though for for miles
I feel like this time around it feels more thought through compared to the first big last game format miles
That's interesting. I mean the loan drew we have talked about several times on the panel about how
Not effective it is as a first pick
But this is a very different setup. All right. Does loan drew it have a good time against monkey coddle?
I think there's a chance. I don't know how crazy they want to be if they have this flex available
It's it's not happening
But this is something that people did once laundry it was like straight up becoming meta
This is something that ATF did run from the offline because they wanted to find a way how to deal with this hero
And because he is a hero right now his spirit there
You can life steal off of him like you can get the jingle stacks
So they try to that believe they lost that game, but in this one they're gonna keep their hands
Keep that monkey in the hands of Christalis of course and the center is gonna be another pick up
Which is gonna give them save gonna give them extra bit of us, you know
Top of that you have an extra save once you get the agonim scepter and you were right like the heart build guys
I'm not did you know that heart of Tarrasque is one of the only items in Dota 2 that does not share the cooldown if you're a
Yeah, did you talk about that shiver a little bit talk about it again?
And it's the only item that the effect works twice if you have two items
You heard it from the queen ladies and gentlemen that is a heart hero right there, and they are looking good grim stroke
Holy bananas
What the heck does that guy do here?
You can't make a copy add a lone druid. That's good with the ink
But at least you can link a bear with something, you know, I'd be slightly annoying
And I mean they don't have too many good spells to throw into the mix of another reason
Solarbind is okay-ish, but a double-double-edge quadruple edge.
And Vampiric embraced very good against Largo, because generally his attack speed is slow.
So if you want to kill the wife of Grimstroke, then it's going to take a little while.
Thank you so much for that.
So I don't think they're going to be running Grimstroke plus Keeper of the Light support you.
It just doesn't feel like that's the thing.
Yeah.
So I'm kind of leaning towards the idea that they're going to be playing this keeper of the light potentially from the mid lane
But I don't like it as much considering that there is
Also Largo available who can lick it off
So picking up buck here knowing that I mean they have a little bit of a flex if they still want to be running
Monkey from the mid lane, which has been good and the past this matchup definitely more favor
Like how did time went by I feel like
like a monkey lost that little bit of edge that he did have.
25% win rate on puck.
Yeah, terrible, terrible win rate.
Well, guys, come on.
That's the, I'm pretending that I'm Nisha, you know?
Just because one guy makes a hero look good,
everybody thinks he can play it.
Not so much these days.
You know what, I did want to bring up one thing.
Did you notice not a single spirit
has been picked or banned here?
I think that's extremely fascinating.
A lot of the spirit heroes are very good right now.
We're just glossing over that, but yeah.
I'm a little worried about Mouse's draft.
I'm not gonna lie to you.
This Centaur has a lot on his shoulders, you know?
He's your initiation, he's your tank.
He's doing a lot of stuff.
Any one of these other heroes is super, super bad
if they get run at and caught out.
So he's got to save people, he's got to take,
he's gonna be in the front.
That's a lot of work.
I might need to buy three hearts.
Oh, that will do it, Sheaver.
That will end the game instantly.
New way to win.
It seems like they're gonna overwork him,
Especially if he gets agged, he's gonna be the workhorse.
Thank you very much.
That's what we like to call an alley-oop there.
My boy got ball knowledge
as we are going to our last band.
What are we missing here, fam?
I feel like we're missing on the side of LGD.
One of the supports, it depends though.
They could play Largo and support if they really wanted to.
Sure.
So we'll see where they go with that one.
We did see a support Largo earlier on.
On the side of Mavs, we are looking for either a support
or a hero for mid one in the mid lane.
Ah, you're really thinking about that flex keeper of the light mid.
That would be dang.
I don't believe that's gonna happen, but it would be pretty crazy.
All right, it's BC here.
Now, I do have to say, I personally get tilted when I see a Grimstroke,
and there's not a lot of single-target abilities.
Uh, we have one at the moment, and that one is double-edged, so that's not good.
The Perikin Brace, you can do that too.
Oh, that's true! But I don't count that one, you know, because it's the same guy.
I will say though, Centaur, another reason that he's so strong recently in the qualifiers,
the damage amount total ever was broken by his Centaur recently, and still lost that game.
So, yeah, what can you do?
Anyway, thank you much damage. I could be okay with some, like, casual enchantress, maybe even Grimstroke for LGD, because of the...
That Grimstroke is...
I'm not good, sorry, I'm talking about the Ringmaster, sorry, Shiver.
Sir, which hero did you say?
Ringmaster or Enchantress, yeah, I could find quite a lot of value from both these heroes
because of the, of course, the Spell Mechanic and I feel like Enchantress, she has a Bismalvin
Raid as well, but the Hero, I feel like in the right hands, could work out really well.
This is the old school classic, a counter to Centaur, it's very good against Monkey King as well
because of the, you know, just having that extra bit of a catch, you catch him with any kind of vision.
The glimpse is going to get him killed.
Yeah, it is actually one of the traditional counters versus Monkey King.
You can cue him and then see where he jumps to. The glimpse is so far.
And then also you can get some vision with that trap. So a very, very smart pick there.
I'm really liking LGD's draft. I, but they can still solve it.
There is room. There is time to get somebody here on mouse, but it better be a good one.
Yeah, they got still 40 seconds to think about it.
So no stress for them, but the options might be limited.
What does well against puck is keeper of the line?
No, no, it's it's out of the equation immediately as they saw that puck.
They removed tiny which a good amount of teams ran from the mid lane where you pick up a
blink dagger agonem scepter BKB casual crystal is or you can go for the echo saber back.
But Naisdokker is one hero that Maus did run one time and it did feel really good against
the puck in the mid lane.
This is something that people started, this was a bit of a new trend maybe like a month
or two months ago and the Pangalir, not sure if I like it too much, like if he's the one
getting initiated on, he's gonna suffer quite a lot.
It's very annoying for him to play against Disruptor, to play against puck, the lick
is also very, very annoying for him.
Good thing is they have no BKB piercing ability.
So once he gets to roll out, I don't think they can stop him and this is not in a traditional
sense like a range carry, even though we are in the range carry meta, something that he's
going to be afraid of, something that came gun him down once he's rolling.
So overall doesn't seem too bad.
I think they had a lot of issues in that first game, but fixed a good amount of stuff in
the second game.
It doesn't have a single target extra though, so I see you're still frowning for the combo
with the Grimstruel.
Yeah, what are we doing here guys? I mean he ain't got no we got double-edged
There's a lot of comfort heroes coming out for mouse
I mean these are guys that they have flaked so many times they are so happy on these heroes
But I do worry who do you jump on on LGD if your mouse and you're like oh, yeah, this well
This is a good idea. I mean one wrong step. Hey getting disrupted old today
It takes a long time to kill that bear Largo's tough hoodwinks elusive
It's tough. I mean, I don't think they have a kind of lockdown really needed to do much about this
Yeah, they got to do well in the laning stage and not let go of a lead
They might be able to get from there interesting to note as well as that the Grimstroke will be position four
Yeah, this is something that the homage plays. Yeah
Keeper of the light plus among I mean they could still swap things around because I don't think this lane has any synergy
So whatsoever, Monkey doesn't really need mana in the lane, so I assume it's going to be
Kato played with the Centaur in the lane and have Grimstroke.
But then again, you're also losing some of the value, plus maybe they're thinking we
are going to be running this as a 4 because it's very annoying for him to play into Largo.
And I think this is going to be the lane that I'm going to be looking at the most.
This Largo plus a Hoodwink.
How much they're going to be able to achieve against this Monkey King that we don't see
too often.
Right now, LGD is one game up in this best of three with elimination on the line against
Maus.
So Maus has to really pull out all the stops to make sure that they can stay alive in this
EWC.
Let's see if they can with Sunspen and Kesin.
Welcome indeed at elimination match potentially for Maus if they lose this one.
If they do force a game three then one of these two will be eliminated in game three
and so that's how the best of three works in case you're wondering.
LGD vs. Maus, another set of interesting heroes, the draft totally different.
We're seeing the loan druid on the opposite team taking in the separate phase of the draft.
It wasn't a first pick, do you think?
And we've seen Yuma do really well on this hero, but the hero itself is looking kind of net.
But again, that's from first picking it. Do you think this is a better position for LGD?
This is definitely better than the last game. I do still think that Maus found a couple of good answers.
I mean, first of all, they have Cristal as Monkey King.
Like I would consider monkey king to be quite good against London. You can get some easy stacks against the bear later
You have good team fighting also outside centaur and pango quite good overall and mouse backs against the wall
Chrysalis monkey king this guy has like two thousand three hundred games on monkey king if you want him to perform
This is the hero you're gonna give him
Pushfax gonna miss this Christmas will have to run away in tree form
Being chased by a frog
That's the state of Dota right now.
Very nice.
So, let's talk about a few of these here.
So, Disruptor was the big kind of question,
maybe not question, but it was a very big surprise
that we're not really seeing this hero at all as KJ picks it up.
Yeah.
Panel kind of talked about how he's really getting his monkey king.
What do you think about this hero right now?
I think it's not easy to make work.
He is of course very unique and very special, right?
The glimpse, I would say overall, is quite valuable in this game.
If you ever find the monkey king, it's also good against Kodl.
It's a hero that generally wants to play on the outskirts,
It's run away from you and most importantly against the centaur, you know against the centpeed canatic field glimpse and back
It's very nice for the lockdown
But when it comes to the damage output for LGD, not the biggest definitely need Largo to have some levels
Then later maybe look at the hoodwing charge. So we'll have to see how the lanes go
Hopefully at some point this game we can get a zoom in on the centaur set obviously not right now because there's action
But just put it on the here the highest priority list for production not right now about the highest priority
Yep, highest priority, outside of actual kills on creeps here in the lane, see we don't want to miss first blood, it's gonna be a lot of angry people, but very important to see this, uh, Centaur said of course.
Of course one of the best ones, but there is something missing. Apparently you still love it. Of course it looks even better without the head.
I am liking this early lane swap though, as a whole glass of the game, off the panto with Blood Grenade, so you gotta pop that very far, then you try to turn it around to KJ, instead Blood Grenade applied, looks like you'll be okay with the root now, applied to boom, getting forced out.
In that half
Donkey costume that he has on right now
Hey, lots of trading here in the early game, but definitely a big win for LGD, especially in these early plays
It's very heads up that you can have a healing self available already
They did yeah, that's a problem frog stop into the lick as the damage looks to be taken out by whisper for first blood
It ends up happening in the bot lane instead
Again, let's go through the list here as we start out this early game
How good is the frog this game because I'm looking at the dispel
Yeah, I see I guess phantom's embrace and shield crash of the two big ones like the big ones
It's definitely I would say it's ink's well and jingle master room for starters. She'll crash is pretty nice
Well, jingle you take off of the allies, right?
No, you take off the buff of monkey once he's got the four hits off. Are you sure about that?
Yeah, because jingle is undispellable. There's nothing that gets rid of it
with the stacks that you applied.
I see, so the stacks are the ones that are on this spell.
Exactly. Once Monkey has the buff, that's the stuff you're going to lick off,
but you're still quite happy about that one.
Also Solar Bind later, as a glimsy glomsy happening.
Saving him there a bit.
And we've seen some great combos with Caudal this tournament.
This does not rank very high for me.
It's not bad, but...
It's decent. Pango Caudal we know about, yeah, it's no ember.
Oh, the Pango, sure. I'm talking about this lane specifically though.
Oh, this lane? I mean, yeah, it's not that great. I was gonna say earlier, I like this
swap up. I think Monkey King wants to play with a more aggressive hero with the Brimstroke.
And Caudo is, I think, able to nullify this lane and the pressure quite a bit with the
Blinding Light. But yeah, not the most pressure up here. The only thing is, only if you put
Grim and Monkey into the safe lane, Whisper has two heroes that he can dispel later, right?
The Ink's Wall and the Jingle Mastery. But maybe you can try to make him choose between
one or two. One of the bad views. I don't know how LGD got up a double camp on the
easy camp here so that's definitely hurting miles a little bit that they've
been pulling this easy camp over and over yeah we can talk briefly about the
Grimstruck as well how well that fits into the game we see I mean for me the
biggest picks is it always comes down to the ink swell targets which you have
pango you have center to some degree obviously monkey king melee although it
is long-range melee so how does this hero feel to you because obviously slacks
this is kind of my mentality back in the day there's no soul buying targets
It doesn't really matter if it's like a pro.
It's kind of like the black hole of Enigma.
It's a bonus. The hero is all about the other stuff.
If you get a nice Hobanoff, it's juicy.
It's nice. We like it.
Exactly. But you're not really playing for it.
The silence is super good against Largo.
You know, brother can't really keep playing his stupid song.
You have to kill the Phantom's Embrace.
You have good Ink's Wall targets.
Level 15 talent is very good with the bonus spell damage
that you're going to be pumping out.
And the Dark Portrait against the Berio.
I have yet to see this.
I do not believe you.
Why do you not believe me?
I just don't believe you, that it works.
Yeah, just like last game, how you didn't believe me,
that Darkseid can get an illusion of the bear. He can.
I didn't see it.
And Monkey King can get Jingle Sex off the bear.
Open your God that lies on that one.
Well, that one I agree with, yeah.
I just know that it's a case-by-case basis.
Now, how good is that?
Hold the thought.
Crystal-less.
Hold it.
We'll be able to stay alive a little bit longer.
It gets off the boundless strike,
trying to kill off K-Dead before he unties.
The Jingle is actually up.
He's getting some good HP back,
but the pushback comes up from Fieldercourt
to finish the job and now whisper a frog trying to chase down Panto looking for a frog stomped off.
Panto wanted to run back in but realized that he might die if he does that so chooses not to do that in the end.
Illuminate coming out. It's whispered. This is so much action. Pops the fairy fire as Yannitch gets killed under the tower.
Double kill for whisper. All the experience goes to Panto in the end.
Honestly, big place because Panto TP'd in with a Lotus without that initial heal burst onto Crystallis.
I think he would have died quite early on and I'm loving some of these early scrimmages also when you get to play Largo
With a Facebook's rush you get to keep walking people in the head with it. I'm a big fan
At least boom at the top for a little solo XP
You got some nice XP last game as well after getting it off to a pretty rough start as Crystal is even coming out
Showing himself to the bear jingle socks. Yep
the jingo stacks are there and since proof as he's is he actually just gonna die here he gets
glimpsed up and just taken out there's what what just happened not on the same page as mouse and now
you can see the surround tactics on to boom he's definitely next on the list good blocks from
kj on the disruptor popping the fairy fire as well for boom but he still dies anyway yeah that was
maybe you can see the stroke of freedom tylon gets the illusory orb off waiting for the high ground
We'll be in active rule, that's right.
He's just gonna get swashmuckled from the side though, so no way to dodge that anymore, using all those spells to just get away.
Panto's angry ammo for it. He goes bottom, turns around to stuff, comes to the top, gets to kill onto Tylong as well, because they really need that, cause I don't know what happened in top lane.
That was a little bit of a cringe play going on, which honestly, it happens, but you don't want to be pulling this out in an elimination.
I don't think I've ever heard a catch. That was a pretty cringe play.
It happens dude, that's really good.
Put it back, now 100 boom.
On to the tier one.
He'll stomp only onto the bear, and he gets glimpsed back.
We're seeing the power of KJ on this disrupter.
Feel the bear goes centaur.
Dead to right, says yeah, Yuma.
His bear will tumble to Panto,
so that's a lot of gold going in the pocket of him.
And it's bot lane, going onto the frog.
Pretty tanky target. The bushback comes out.
The Jingu stacks are online as well.
Whisper not going to be able to get any tepees to help out,
but he's pretty fast.
Lick and kills off the average getting the earn charge, but no he does fall on the end
But it's gonna be the cost of monkey king. It's again. He's gonna beautiful dodge from tylong
They kill off for monkey king for a set third time
I believe is he's gonna get taken up. I may want to mean time double kill for the pango
Just non-stop action here is now mid one outnumbered tajie out of man against the shield flash off getting a nice barrier
Swashbub
What was that?
And he's gonna get away.
Oh god.
I love myself.
This is an incredible start to game number two.
Love myself some Dota 2.
None of that.
That was not cring.
No, this was amazing.
Well, it depends who you are.
Exactly.
You're a fan of a good monkey king performance, and this may be your fourth day right now.
But Whisper kind of owning you, the Jew king back and forth, he got the earned charges
to face boots.
Yeah.
He needs to recall because he's low on the CS, he's low on the levels
But people watching mid ones fancies footwork here. He did one more hit to get the Jingu stacks
But oh he better got the last hit there. Man, man third death for Crystalis in this game already
How good of a comeback hero is Monkey King generally?
That looks like a fog. No, I love this rupture in that it's so funny
Yeah, Whisper, he's got to shake it off because he was doing some good stuff in this bottom lane
And okay, Monkey King, most of Crystallis' heroes, they want to play from ahead, they're designed to play from ahead.
You know, Monkey King, Razor, he plays Bloodseeker, honestly, he plays all the dirty heroes.
But the good thing for him is that even though he's died a couple of times, his net worth is pretty good, he's getting some recovery on the levels.
I do like it more when he plays the aggressive Monkey King, you know, the Desolator, the Mage Slayer.
We saw him the other day, didn't work out, he also bought Battle Fury once against Spirit, didn't work out.
Good dodge on the bush there.
They get a single Thunder Strike on him then.
He just dies pretty much.
Because you just open yourself up to Glimpse until he gets a BKB eventually.
Yuma being pursued by mid one on a killing streak right now.
And of course, out the ult when the silence comes up.
Doesn't matter. Transformation happens anyway.
Also doesn't matter for Yuma getting out the ult because he dies to the three members of Maus.
Very, very nice move here.
by the mouse side. I like that they're using the two supports to play through the other two cores, you know,
allow Chrysalis to recover. What did he use? Othun?
He must have needed it to, like, stay alive.
No, he gets pushed back into treeline. Now they get the vision.
Frog stomped to follow. That's a dead monkey king, so Chrysalis gets glimpsed up.
Is that possible to dodge still with Mischief?
No. The glimpse?
No. It used to be at some point.
I think there's a chance that you could maybe dodge the incoming damage,
But not where you're gonna get glimpses. It doesn't matter what you do
You're gonna have 10 million monkey king games or one doesn't matter how well you time it
But there was a nice pick-up they must have seen him jump in between the trees as a LGD
They've got the whole family in the mid lane so 10 minutes we'll shoot belong to them
And they smoke up inks well onto mid one the dodge that is Tylong is gonna get silenced up those middle with a nice watch
to try to finish the job here, but it's like just in time,
the Tylong's still taken out by the shield crash.
Now, we see the first soulbind of the game onto two.
The bear and Laundrude himself, that is going to be the death of Yuma.
A nice job from Maus, despite officially four LGDs.
It's not over yet. A big swashbuckle, double kill from mid one.
Chrysler's doing some nice blocks onto Whisper.
And boom, the creep is there.
They're going to get the Ink Swastun in addition,
as Whisper takes the tumble.
So Panto and company, they get four.
Miles are back and I'm all for it. They're playing really really nice side step there by Yannich.
Second nice side step I've seen today on the sharpshooter. Looks like they're not done yet.
Oh yeah, that's a big family strike with the Jinko Stacks already up, but to get the coil on tattoo
he's actually starting off the treat going for the Lukang Samaya that again, Crystal is false.
This game is a complete shit show in the best way possible. Three dead for Miles now.
It's probably going to be four in the form of Panto. Trying to get this kill into the Olocore,
something to take home but it is not to be so double kill for Thailand it's feed
for LGD immediate respawn into TP into feed for Mao. I was just about to praise him
and be like slapstool right you know game one they're kind of trolling on
purpose give the enemy team like some confidence and then later shard it up I
don't know what happened to him. I don't really mind his aggression but the thing is
that earlier Thailand he didn't get to use his coin at all so on this respawn the
only cross to living he gets to evade the last hit from Pantho. I said thing
Miles are doing a very good job like in it. Obviously this play right now not good not at all
But you have to fuel the blade you've got some other stuff. They're still strong. I don't know why you're laughing
They're still they're doing well. Okay. I mean, I love games like this. It's so entertaining mid one
Oh, is it gonna be the turnaround now on to tight line?
Oh, yes, which means Chris is about to feed somehow here as well. The olacorp will be the one to fall
so two different LGD is
See Panto dying on the other side apparently
Balastrike finding KJ in the tree line so his LGDs turn to feed away. Three kills,
where's he from? Stun not gonna be there in time. He goes through the gate. He's
gonna be pursued though. Indeed Swashbuckle and Ink's well that should do the job.
So that's four dead now for LGD. Yeah who's laughing now? You will laugh if he goes straight.
Give it 30 seconds. Give it 30 seconds. Alright coils back up. Okay at 13 minute mark we better
have some dead heroes on mouse otherwise you're dumb ass because no they're doing good they're
using mid one I think especially is really leading the charge and I like to switch off a lot you
know from game one to game two I just think that these type of heroes fit him a lot better you can
see if the seven one and five he keeps playing around with the two supports early diffusal I'm
going for the bear you ma farming nearby I'll have to move his real heroes soon enough
We'll be able to kill it though, if we want to overextend it a little bit of a...
Well, you can understand based on what happened with two minutes ago.
30 seconds, timer's over, miles are all alive, sorry about that.
Give or take a minute here.
Depend...
Depend...
Depending on time zone.
We're going to keep upping the 30 seconds, one minute.
Chris, let's keep going back.
That's good.
I'm not invested in this game.
working on that battle theory and that's the thing he's jump he's trying to join
all these fights obviously dying quite a bit is battle theory the right item if
you're gonna be doing this I still think you're actually gonna settle down and
farm I think so I would have definitely liked that that I think when you play
with distract like you have pango you have monkey king you have a lot of
minus armor you can play if it's also very good against longer it longer it
doesn't have a lot of armor until way later in the game same with honestly same
with all of the dire heroes.
But, we will see what he can get going,
and maybe he gets a type of space.
I don't know if he's gonna show himself,
but here's the counter-action to get
their static storm onto two, mid-one dead.
Looks like the Grimstroke is next,
still inside the coil.
That's not four.
Might be three, though,
with backglimbs coming out on the panto.
Now it just needs to be Kristen's.
It took one and a half minutes,
not 30, so about three times as long.
That means, uh, mouse are improving.
Yeah, but LGD, right place,
right time 2-man coil into the 2-man static storm.
Definitely can't really afford all those heroes to be in there.
Like, mid-1 needs to be alive, or if he gets gone on,
you need Panthe to kind of squeeze out some heals
with the Illuminate or like a fully charged Holy-Hocket.
And yeah, Whisper, after having a gamer perform
the super gamer performance in game 1,
now going for the vessel into the Radiance.
So he wants to, you know, make it happen himself.
Be a big boy.
Radiance, really.
Okay, I've seen it a few times when like,
the mid-largo, let's see if he swaps it around
As for now, he took it away and he wants to go BK.
Oh, boh.
Watch this replay. It was a good bait from Tylaan.
He set the trap and now fell for it.
And that's also like the combo of Pock and Disruptor together.
Like, even if you use this MP there, they're not able to run away.
They're going to be coiled to get kinetic field.
Even if they do, you can get glimpsed back.
You can definitely tell that they're feeling the pressure.
It is somewhat of an even game, but...
Juma hasn't really done much in this game yet as he is alone.
so you know he'll be a factor later.
Thailand with the witchblade, about 300 away from a blink now,
so wants to get ultra aggressive.
Mid one, his counterpart in mid,
is going for the Agnus Scepter, still 1500 away for that.
Obviously has the diffusal already.
Is this a game where we see a disperser?
Is there any reason to go for that?
It's quite good, but more so later on.
Let's see if they can chase down Thailand here.
Gabby gets boundless, struck, nice static, storm, the panic field only holds one in as Chrysalis with the look on command.
And Tylong does get off the illusory orb in time, so should be fine here, KJ, not so much.
Just the one sacrifice for LGD, not too shabby from their perspective.
Still good, but I feel like maybe if you can time the ink swell there before he gets to kill the silence,
a potential kill on Tylong there, who looks like he will get himself the hands on the active rune.
Still looking at mid one myself, thinking he's having a quite good performance.
Limehunter going all the way from the Aghanim Scepter.
The only thing is that it's not that easy for them to make plays.
You're not going to link the Agar early on Centaur, which has been somewhat normal.
There's the coil on tip two, he'll look more nearby as well, with a good bush whack onto
the pango.
Sharp Shooter misses though, good sidestep for mid one, that's going to save his life.
They're trying to turn around the Tylong instead.
Very low on mana, he's actually going to go for the roll.
They shift will initially dodge against the blink away.
Okay, so no roll for a bit, at least they do survive as Panto.
He can of course dish out a lot of heals, right, with both the Illuminate and the Holy Locket to try and keep Mid one alive.
This is a 17-minute battle fury for...
Crystallis.
Um, has not really been participating in the fights after all of these deaths, which I guess is a good news considered.
Well, at this point when you have Fury, you definitely need to farm.
The only problem is that I'm never a big fan of Fury into BKB, because it means you're going a farming item into a semi-fighting item,
but at that point you're still not strong enough, so you need to wait for your third item and your fourth item.
I would definitely prefer this desolator into BKB route and play with your team and also adjust and have the same impact at the same time as mid-1.
Like when he gets his Agnus Scepter on the pango, he's incredibly powerful.
Now they get a hard on to boom as well, of course.
This is the item of the tournament according to Mr. SirActionSlack.
Who only speaks the truth, of course.
That's right.
I love seeing it, actually.
It's just a good item.
I think it's actually not.
I don't know if the changes they've done to it.
Also, probably Centaur has to be one of the best heroes that you can get it on.
Perhaps want to go back to the Fury.
I would assume that one of the ways to think about it is the fact that the game is going
drag on any way they can make moves as like three or four and this way he gets
like scale into the game.
No.
We're going to stampede and try to take out the Eulacore.
We'll be an easy kill.
This is definitely a game.
Now that mid one has ags, I assume Shard is next.
It's just way too good of a Shard game.
I don't mind if he will go blink.
I think like blink into Shard or shard into blink because he's the only fight starter,
at least from what I understand in this game.
That's true because you're going heart first on Sunsets.
And we will see, because now Boomer is of course queuing up with Link Dagger as Whisper is just kind of, you know, walking face-first into them, he's got the VKB!
Yep, they...
If I can't kill them, the kinetic field will have to use it here shortly, they kill off the horseman, and they're gonna get Crystallis as well!
So they're trying to farm the enemy creeps with that battle fury, they're gonna lose three for it, so another questionable decision from Mouse...
Who would be this guy?
But it's a great play from Whisper to run in with his VKB because he knows that they can die, but...
You need to go hit some creeps! You bought Battlefury and Monkey King, you cannot die first in these type of engagements.
If you're LGD, you're incredibly happy.
And I think Miles have some of these mistakes where they do overstep a little bit in some of these fights.
The good thing for them is that Mid one was, you know, he's chilling.
He's not dying in this type of play, but then the problem is, why do you want to beat three people here?
Because LGD, they will happily apply to this play and just kill all of you.
Yep, absolutely.
The good news for them, I mean, maybe it's not that good news, but...
Let me hear this one.
So, Crystal is bottom net worth of the course.
Laundroid's not that far ahead.
That's true. It's only 1,500.
But the problem with that is, once he gets axe,
he's gonna be getting more farm.
Like, it's basically almost impossible not to.
Yeah.
Not for sure. At least for now,
they do have decent scaling into the Laundroid as well.
Like, we've seen the Power of Pangol.
I would also consider Centaur to be a quite good scaler,
like, into Laundroid.
later when you have the you have hard already he has the shard you can get a
lot of stats on the bear permanently.
KJ found, will be killed, you're my nearby.
That's exactly what you want to see from your supports though, tank the gank as it were.
20 minute mark though, so Maus going to take this opportunity to go for the tormentor.
Let's see whispers eyeing them and remember it's daytime, he sees everything on the slowground.
They're on the high ground right now.
That's been once been run right into Tylo, he's going to be spotted, initially gets licked up, already at half HP to use the Stampede, he's getting super low to the Grille, several heroes to follow.
The Wukong's command comes out, the Frog taking a lot of damage, has to attempt to run away as Whisper, barely with a trickle of HP, lives.
They're already too dead though for LGD.
That mouse, I mean, they are hurting, so I'm not even sure, oh look at this, Tylo, trying
to finish the job off of the Monkey King, it's a lot of damage, but not quite enough
to kill him off.
They can't go for Tormentor though, they're way too low.
Yeah, if they had any more time on Panto's ult, they'd probably put Heela up and make
it happen, as the Tylo is still playing around with them.
If Chrysla's dies to a random illusory over, I'm sort of gone.
He'll be fine.
I have faith right now.
I'll get it killed up.
And they've also got fight, and this is why small things matter.
You know, the Essence ring on mid, one with the Mystical Enchantment, they're all healing
each other.
That's okay.
They're taking a lot of damage on this thing, they're not calling this real anymore.
I'm going to try to delay this as much as possible, no coil up.
And they've done a nice job of making mouse get off of that for now.
You must be very happy if nothing happens as he's waiting for his bear cooldown, which
which is soon going to be back up.
KJ on the outskirts looking for a good static storm target. Obviously if they're all grouped up next to the Tormentor it could be incredible, but it's all about timing here.
And they're too far away, so this will be a Tormentor for Maus, and Panto will receive the shard.
That's very nice.
Double Soulbind.
Soulbind.
They have Soulbind and Soulbind.
End up a little bit more heal on the Illuminate, which is nice.
Tylon.
Crystal is...
It's taking pretty low. KJ gets off the static storm.
They don't think that's the last hit, but the Illuminate comes out for the heal, so he's going to be AOK.
And it's a solo blind now onto two. The battle is starting to keep on both in place inside the Lukong's command.
A good turnaround here from Maus.
Getting much needed heals for Crystal as they take out the two supports.
And now they support a 4K lead.
Yeah, Panto's having a very, very good game on this Cotto.
Early glimmer, early polylocket, you also see all the heals just coming out.
So even though you are going on the monkey king there, it's just...
kind of too much HP for you to punch through.
Oh, okay. What was this?
BKB works.
Yeah. Maybe it was forced out by mid-1.
You see it here again.
It's just all of the heals, also good soulwind.
Definitely think that the support duo here of Maus and mid one are kind of holding the game in a very good grip for them.
Whisper is in fact going radiant, very cool.
Honestly, I don't mind it. I think first of all the evasion is quite good in this game and just a little bit more scaling,
making sure that you're also a big threat for the enemy draft is nice.
Smoke from Maus.
They did scan it out, I believe, on the dire side, so maybe Yuma has a read here.
And he's bare-scanned out now too. He has Mjolnir-Aggs,
and working on Shard, I do believe.
They did kill the Parasma off Tylong, which definitely hurts you a little bit here,
especially when you're down, like you're down 3k gold.
And while Koro doesn't really catch puck, he's very annoying when the game reaches
like this 20-minute mark, right? The glimmer, the heals.
Oh, do they have a connection? Oh, the Inkswell doesn't hit. It doesn't matter. They have enough damage either way. Boom, getting the last hit.
Big kill for Maus.
And this is the type of Maus we want to see. You know, when this team was on point, it was mid-1 leading the charge with the two supports.
They are kind of replicating that at the moment.
Crystal is in the bear having a bit of a 1v1.
Arcane are there for mid-1.
When it comes to the Roche play, which team has the advantage, would you say?
Give it to Maus, just because you have minus armor.
As with one for like some cells of 3v on the king in the jungles.
So definitely should be like Maus favor, not only do they have better heroes,
they're also ahead in the game currently.
I'm gonna put it to the test right here.
Looks to be free as well.
Yeah.
Now, do you put it on Crystallis?
He's the lowest networked core.
I don't think so.
I think you keep giving it to Midland so he can go ham.
And I would even go as far as to say, are you kidding me, Ty?
Yeah, I'll be fine.
Yeah, throw some stuns in there.
It seems like we've got an LRE here by me, and they will give the Gem instead to Midland.
It might be them with the LRE.
We'll see.
I guess we'll find out.
The rationale.
But what does that mean exactly? Because he's not that farmed, he has BKB battle theory,
he wants to farm, does Aegis provide him that space, or is he actually going to join his
team to try to get some outer towers?
I would assume that it just allows him to farm more aggressively and then yet to connect
to his team, and they're playing with the idea that mid one is rather unkillable, you
know, with the supports behind him. As long as this Aegis gets used in an aggressive manner
by whoever holds it, I believe it's okay. It should make the biggest difference. As long
As long as his Aegis is used to push the map forward.
Radiance online for Whisper, and of course not a traditional off-lane item for the Froggy Man.
But obviously went to VKB and Spear Vessel first, so he is quite farmed.
That's me so and there's a little bit of a damage problem for the LGD side
I would say at least for a couple more items coming out like again have to talk about Pantheon's daughter who's dishing out a lot of
Heals you're also playing into a centaur who is hard 3600 HP already
So I think until you get a little bit more going on your heroes. It's not too easy to kind of punch through them
This does feel like a game where the supports if you're from LGD's perspective you need to take out first if you can
honestly it's like very often the case especially in like these mid game fights
because the supports are kind of that keep the fight going and LGD now that
you have a couple of items on Yuma as the KJ is in the vicinity
well and spot it we'll be going down here but it's another game where the off laner is not
a an initiator of any kind so you have the mid laner that's like your pseudo initiation
You have Blink Dagger now on KJ I suppose.
Yeah, I guess so.
Whereas Malice is just, you know, much more standard.
Obviously the Blink came out later for Boom,
but he has it in addition to the Lotus.
Is Tylon?
Nope.
Oh, okay.
Nope, Mid one's just fishing.
You know, doesn't really have any vision.
He knew that the puck was around with some of the Orbs.
Going for BKB next, I like that one.
Of course, as you can do, he cannot.
Ornate, HB has a spear, that's a little fight as well.
Is it gonna go on top of Mid one?
Shrop shooters get a miss, Chrysler's on the run, he bets first leg down already, and that's very little commitment needed from LGD.
Then what? Swashbuckles there, Chrysler pops the BKB into the Wukong cement, I mean, LGD's gonna run out of it, and Chrysler's will as well, so...
We'll use it defensively.
That's a good punchback from LGD, right? Kind of maintaining your map control, you push them out of it, that's a BKB charge out.
be charged out. Ruling Thunder is gone, NT Aegis as well. So Whisper kind of showing off
the power of his radiance here. Now also with the Kaio, giving yourself some more mono
regions, some more spell amp. Very happy about this item combo.
We'll be going for the Agenceptor, which obviously a lot more standard. Although there's been
games where we've been seeing froggies not go for it.
Now I do think it's good here.
And if they do it as much later.
Yeah, I do think it's good here. Just choosing between movement speed, healing, giving some
more bonus damage for all of your heroes. I think it's quite nice because you are dealing
with a little bit of a damage lack. I think on the next one or two rounds of items you
can kind of power through these, the Caudo heals, the Heart on the Centaur and like the
2k, 3k HP that they have on the heroes.
What is this Shakervelling for?
It's a Notifier, I think, on mid one. So he's swapping it up from the BKB to the Notifier
Just to it is very aggressive and honestly, I don't mind this mindset at all from mid one right now
I think you can tell that he's a little bit amped up
I think after this game one just making sure that you can power through all these dire heroes
And most importantly also the a on this one the stupid pock hero
So he on this and glimmer is that all I'm missing
So it's basically just for the e on this it's mostly just for that
Just to make sure that you can't really keep this going all the time
It's so it's just annoying to play against this here as humor. Okay
Cottle, good buy. Good knowing you.
Counter initiation from mid one onto the panda, not gonna happen.
Uh-huh. I'll pop though.
And Chris is gonna find himself a froggy with the centaur nearby.
Whisper pops VKB.
Nothing's gonna keep him alive through all that.
So very big kill for Mouse.
Whisper, top net worth on his team.
Not for long though.
There's Yuma fast approaching.
I mean, I have a lot of damage into this frog still.
Like if until later, you know, it's not that hard for them to look at.
I mean, he's like two shotting this guy.
One roll shield pressure, some blocky shot and one auto attack.
And that's kind of all all he needs. Yeah.
Interesting.
He's opting to go scotty next on a tank. Oh, that's cool.
Very interesting.
How does that work against froggy? Does it not do that much anymore?
Well, it's still good.
How does that yield reduction works?
Well, you're still like reducing it. I think it's quite nice.
But the only problem is I don't think you need it on both heroes because I see also that Crystallis is buying it.
Obviously Pango still has might be another freebie, the Olicor, he's got a glimmer if he intends on using it.
Sharp shooter, gets him some distance, but pops a huge Lotus.
Jeez.
Back to full mana, has a gank onto Yuma's bear, looks to be successful.
Yeah, it's pretty nice.
I'm going to use that in a little bit of surprise because I feel like Batcher is just...
Who's it better on than Pango?
It's such a guarantee back for these squads.
This is like Ursa and Pangu who are like insane scottie girls, I agree with you.
We have Coil top lane, Knight fall away, should be good to go.
Still 90 seconds on the deck where LGD can go kind of rampant on the map.
They are going to wait for potentially, you know, you've got the gem now on Tylong, you can squeeze out the map a little bit.
That's an angry support.
They want the bear but he gets feared away.
And now the Stampede on cooldown for a bit.
He's still a big fan of the Centaur here overall. We've been seeing it in more and more games than
Top Network. You have nice items to build. He always looks like you're just having a good game.
Of course you can go the Greedian Champion, which is quite nice. Top Network.
And he's very good at this game. I believe he has a Sheva's Guard flying out. Very good against the bear.
Super, super nice. Also just easier for you to catch up to heroes. You're very annoying.
What a timeline we live in. Centaur can be Top Network in the game.
And it's not even that difficult to get it going.
We haven't gotten a zoom in on his cosmetics yet, which I'm sure that's true. Very important. There we go
Get a good angle that he asked. Yes, if they go to game three, he will equip the helm. I'm quite sure
No way. Yeah, it's a game all type of things.
Tylong
Next time initially can't lock him down the static storm now applied just to the pangdol
You might get applied some pressure with the bear will come in coming out from chrysalis
He's quite a bit of damage to get the swash. So that's gonna be debt number one for the bear and all likelihood coils not enough to save him
So, coil expanded just to exit here.
They don't have enough damage to power through these radiant heroes right now, also, like
it's not just the heals, it's also that when you run into Maus, they own the entire area
of the teamfight.
You have Monkey King, Holt, and also the Rolling Thunder.
It is incredibly difficult for them to just deal any type of damage, while the Torment
are going their way, potentially Yammage.
Indeed.
It's, of course, quite nice.
Get a little bit of a heal going.
And we seem like any type of small heal can really make a big difference.
Let's swap off from the Scotty to the Basher.
Just make...
First of all, your monkey's already blinded, and I think the Basher just makes more sense.
Limer into the roll.
Alright, the Olyphore gets clipped by the Shield Crash.
No true connection, but the Nullifier applied, not to go any further.
MP'd used though, and that's gonna be used to kill off KJ.
6K lead for Maus, has a pretty good position now.
Roche, pretty late spawn though.
Small silver lining for LGD I suppose.
They're just looking for some of the next round of items.
You have Yuma who's queuing up the BKB,
does have it completed.
New Thailand with the Octaring Core.
Some of the bigger ones you're looking at of course,
is always like when you play Disruptor,
you are thinking about the agonist, which is one of the best agonist and one of the most
game-changing agonist sectors.
Nice cancellation there. So you must bear out again in 50 seconds for no bear, so he's
not getting any farm in the meantime.
Yeah, and you don't really want to engage a fight when you have only one bear anyway,
so this is like going to be two minutes of you are not really wanting to fight even after
finishing the BKB. Highline with a good dodge, of course it's not the hardest against Centaur.
When the bear is up, it will have BKB though, and now starting to hit, well not quite critical
mask but it is top net worth on their team.
In fact, all three cores for LGD, similar net worths, in fact all cores in the game.
All the cores now at this one are having a very good game think that they didn't really
ask for that much more when it comes to their overall items and everything.
I mean a big separation is really the supports and obviously the Caudal is just going to
be farming more than most supports do.
It's just really hard for this roster to really, you know, keep it up there when it comes to the net worth.
The next row should be kind of what we're looking at.
And of course, if you're LGD, you're kind of also happy if the game slows down a little bit, gets to like a couple of minus on your loan, do it.
We all know that Puck scales very well.
And the agonist after on KJ will be a huge game changer if they do get there.
Smoke from Maus. Find the connection onto the Squirrel. Frog not able to help Squirrel out in this case. In fact, might lead to the Frog's death instead.
The TP's coming in on top of the outpost. Made one faking out the rolling Thunder. LGD will exit.
Now it's just getting every pick off now as their lead continues to grow so eight key 8k in their favor
What is the key for mouse?
To finish this game. I think getting the next ages clearing up the map more and more and more
The high ground is not that good, which means they have to keep like just keep playing kind of on map pressure
Kind of closing it out for LGD. They have had access to a gem
for quite a while, but this next Aegis should unlock quite a little bit here for them.
Maybe, you know, some of the Tier 2 Outer Towers, you get the Outposts, you keep claiming a little bit more on the map.
As Rose goes for the Belch.
Okay, we'll get it for free, unless Tyler wants to do something crazy here.
And start poking.
Well, he's gonna head to the north, so...
All the goodies from Al's, gonna be Aegis and the Banner.
I like that they're giving it up, like sometimes you have to give up something and it's A okay, you got an amplified damage rune on Thailand
You push in top lane all the way basically all the lanes are pushed in which means now when miles are done
They kind of have to split up a little bit pushing the lanes here and there
Silver edge just about to be finished here for you must bear. Mm-hmm, and what's the item after that?
We've been seeing butterfly occasionally
You want to see
Basher or something like that. I don't like butterfly. I think you need to be able to deal some damage
I think that should be okay. Maybe maybe even an MKB or a BKB because you're playing into like pango teamfight monkey king teamfight
That's also blinding light to make you miss. Yeah
We're a couple of good neutrals, of course coming out also here, especially for LGD the double fondrous catalyst on the two spellcasters
Our big ones no more greedies. No only on their supports of course
I mean KG will not give that shit up if I'm playing disruptor. I'm
Going to some super neutral camp, I'm pressing Thunder Strike and I'm holding Greedy forever.
Until I have like my Ags plus one and it's like, okay guys, spell amplification, here I come.
Okay.
Yeah, Static Storm, aka AoE Doom, always a crazy, crazy Ags.
Definitely always rated it very highly in terms of the rank list.
Yeah, you have to.
Got five easily.
Yeah, you have to.
It's a game-changing Ag and I'm strong with support.
You don't have too many of those
Definitely something if you are mouse, you will be talking about it, you know potentially later
I would say boom is the only counterplay they really have for that wind waker's potential cards
High ground attempt. There you aggressive go already half HP is the monkey king
Chryslis and hit a trouble inside that coil not able to dodge out that sharp shooter
They're gonna burn that life number one really it was just coil and sharp shooter rolling thunder for mid one on the backside
They're gonna turn the site down onto the bear itself.
Or they have HP. Popping the BKB is boom, gets through the airside.
The Wukong's command, the bear does fall.
There's LGD.
Trying to reset now.
Wukong's command not gonna last that much longer, the bear has to walk all the way back.
It is a successful defense though from LGD.
That's definitely, it's very good for them. It's not just a defense, that's a very fresh ages.
Like, they still had a couple of minutes to boot on that one.
So it's a lot of pressure that you're kind of taking away.
can allow you to potentially run out on the map a lot earlier and more quickly.
Suddenly, if you run into a monkey king or into a fight, you don't have to immediately retreat.
And they are going for a smoke.
Shouldn't be the hardest to read, I believe, for a mouse.
You just pop a couple of spells aggressively and you only see the puck on the map.
Tie-long.
Octo-ring core, so the core is already up.
Stampede up, though, in six seconds.
Very defensive play for mouse. Good read from them.
We'll see both the supports of course going for their own agonist sectors
Which means you will see the dark portrait hell yeah you if he's building it you must believe in it at worst
Otherwise you think that he's stupid as well. Well, he wants the radiance from the frog
Oh, yeah, very important the 40 minutes stolen radiance, but okay
In theory it should work because he's a hero. I'm just saying it's you know, I'm glad you've joined all of us
I want to see how strong it is. Okay
Humus bear is found, we'll stop looking for him, they'll get it.
It dies so quickly, yeah.
Even just a double solar bind, yeah.
You can take off one, but then there's just another one coming out from Panto.
It's pretty worrisome, though, for the side of LGD,
because it's not like this bear is going to build that much survivability.
It's going for Damage right now.
Yeah, it's definitely not easy.
It's just why we see this...
First of all, the hero wants to play more like map play overall, you know,
the side here and then playing for like pick-off switch we haven't really seen
too many of that and he is struggling and we've seen the hero struggle in
countless games now gotta make you think if we're going to game three I don't
think we'll be seeing the bear well depends on who's picking they've both
picked it yeah I know but I don't like it I don't know if they like it either
these teams have egos Kazoo have you've been on a team before these captains of
course these I mean how often does a coach think that their draft is incorrect
It does not happen, I will not stand for spreading fake news, it does happen.
When you're a coach you're concocting just the perfect draft and then a player always
screws it up.
It's always gameplay related if you're right.
The players are always like, it was the pick, but no, it's their play.
But when you're watching like six different series and the same hero keeps taking a big
large L, eventually you've got to ask the question.
This one isn't as part of an L though, I feel like LGD still have a good opportunity to
bring this back.
Well you cannot spell LGD with all the L's.
That's true.
That is a good point.
As you can see right there, the L's very easy to decipher in that hieroglyphic logo.
Of course we see the players get a bit of a breathing space here in this tech pause.
They don't know what to do when the game isn't on.
That's true.
Very uncomfortable.
They're probably spamming the keyboard.
Or if this was the World Cup, this is a hydration pause.
Very important.
What's hydration?
If you're a pro player, gotta get rid of that carpal tunnel.
Wouldn't know about that.
Gotta get rid of that neck beard.
Nothing to get rid of there. Beautiful, man.
KJ is just overall beloved.
Absolutely.
It does give you a bit of breathing space, and I think if you're...
LGD here, like, you're behind, I would say it...
should favor them to kind of understand,
okay, how do you stem the bleeding?
How do you come back?
What is like one of the next things you kind of want?
Of course, I mean, it's good for both teams.
Kind of depends on who's really talking about,
who's coming up with a plan.
But mouse, you know, they have an 8K lead.
I think everything is kind of simple for them.
It's more an LG, like making the right choice.
I'll say it benefits LGD a little bit more.
Because if they mess up,
I think they can get out of this game very quickly.
And Whisper right now,
so he's about to pick up his blink tag
or just a hundred away or so.
And then he's opting, at least in his quick buy, going for an E on this, despite there already being a nullifier.
What do you think about that?
Because jumping, I mean, he's been getting blown up.
Every hero has been getting blown up, as long as mouse are there in numbers.
I guess he just wants to make sure that he lifts the initial stun.
You can get off the BKB and then that kind of start running away.
Which is okay, but the problem is also, they're playing without an AC against like Pango, Lier and Monkey King.
You should eventually be looking for that one.
maybe that's like a humor item because Largo and Pakton really built that one.
Now, of course, we are back in the game.
Like you said, mouse in terms of going higher, not the greatest lineup.
We saw it earlier, like they walk up with an ages and immediately paid the price.
Even if, I mean, Monkey King with eggs and a bunch of, you know,
being six-plotted essentially can definitely pack a punch.
Not a traditional building killer.
Once you have like level 25 and like obviously the refresh your monkey king is luxurious
But once you can just throw out the ring and start hitting down the racks like you would live and stay there
Obviously, then you're very good or if you kill a couple of heroes with the agonist after and the datalist at this point
Like now Chris is really strong. I think until this point
He was like kind of strong his ulti was good
But now if you're not paying attention you're dying to the monkey king ult in like two seconds. Yeah for sure
Scotty Daedalus now is going to be Satanic as his quote-unquote final item but it's
aligning now with disperser for mid one and a Wind Waker for Panto so very very
I mean we've seen so many incredible Wind Waker plays throughout this
tournament alone and I believe if you're LGD one of the heroes you need to buy
a nullifier because what they're gonna have to play for is like a coil into the
static storm with the Aghanim Scepter from KJ. And one Wind Waker will put an end to
that fight. You will have to itemize the storm because I think LGD have only this all in
play later, so you gotta think ahead, get the nullifier against this Wind Waker.
Should mention, KJ is 200 away from this Aghanim Scepter.
Shout out to Greedy Enchantment for that one.
I've had a lot of dead net worth in this game, but it's about to all come to fruition
for LGD but can they pull it off and it's gonna align well he's gonna have it
well before this next rush which is good news for LGD. The course on miles have
been honestly itemizing quite well I think mid ones overall itemization was
quite good of course I did question the fury at the start but at this point
Grisados is build is very strong and also boom with the hex there are no
linkances on the diadraft sure fuck has an A on this but you can just keep
hopping it with the blink hex from boom but yeah eyes on KJ now with the
the Aghanim Scepter.
Do they want to go for a surprise fight with a smoke to reveal it?
Do they assume the LGD obviously are just waiting for the next rush even though it is
kind of far away?
They could still look and they currently are.
I believe that there's also a smoke.
There's a blink dagger on the bear so Yuma can immediately follow up with his blink bear.
You can also break the coil which is quite good in making of course with the Savage Roar.
coming in hot. LGD. Let's see. I'm going to be spotted with the Shiva's, waning Rift applied.
Panto in the tree line as well. They get the coil on the mid one. He just simply rolls up and rolls away.
And as the bear just going ham, there's the Wind Waker on the caudal. Now taking a lot of right-click damage from the crystal.
As he's going to be able to take out the bear, Panto though is the trade. And now the rolling thunder
applying to the squirrel. Lick is not going to be enough from Whisper. So one for one, support for support.
If there's a static storm onto just the Monkey King, we can't get anything out of him.
He'll be able to get his right click to the very least.
Trying to heal up. He's still silenced up, feared up now, and dead.
Monkey King down and out as mid-1.
And...
Boom, trying to salvage this fight.
They get a nullifier applied to Ty Lung, into the Hussam, into the Basher.
Ty Lung, though, face shift.
The beautiful Theolok were stunned coming out as well.
Ty Lung gets a heal up with the Lotus,
and now they're going to turn this around onto Boom instead with the Sheeva's applied.
and it's a full team wipe in favor of LGD off the back of a surprise agonist scepter onto
Chrystallis. LGD definitely got the better out of that one. A little bit of outplays going on nice
buyback as well from Theolicor. So much attention on like this early bear that also kills the
cauldron. And you can just see the two spellcasters when fully amped. 8000 damage or pop on both
Whisper and Tylong there. It's bear just kind of going to town it. Tylong did a lot of poking.
I'm sure you have the role coming out here and you get one of the supports.
I think Gumi and Mid will definitely put a lot of work in this fight, but this?
Just, you know, not healthy enough on Crisalus, even with a lot of the help and some of the Jingu hits.
It's not enough to live through this. It was close.
Yeah, now that we look back, the Agnes after made absolutely no difference, but we already popped BKB way before.
He still had it. He only popped it right after.
Oh, really?
It did make a difference.
Oh, okay.
I think without this, you get off your BKB, you better go.
Okay, my mistake. Yeah, it's only at the very end because I mean now sure you have 7,000 HP, but
It's not much to play through and this is what LGDF and waiting for. Oh, this is if they actually scout row
She's up in five seconds. Oh, they got so much out of this entire map is pushed in row. She spawn here as well
One two towers to bounty ruins you get an observer board like everything going their way
This has been flipped upside down. Look at that graph. That is a cliff. Yeah, that's a deep dive if I've ever seen one
He went from a 63 win percentage to dropping at 75 percent the other way
Yeah, this one hurts
And I see that Roche is on the move
but
Luckily for mouse silver lining. They are all up and running again. Mm-hmm and they're getting some big stuff 25 talent on whisper
Tyrone is a little 27. You saw that Yuma is queuing up. Also the nullifier. I think he nearly has it completed
I mean, this is the worst like he just got to shard on the bear, which is
That's a sad story. What's that leader does happen?
Is that the real in its fetch the problem is that your hero your bear is uncontrollable like it's users dragging a guy in
You can't auto attack. I think if they change something there, it could be quite good.
Yeah, it's getting lasso.
True.
He's got blink lasso, literally.
Blink shitty lasso.
Yeah.
Okay, so let's see.
Maus are cool. They did scan them out.
Maus, you did, boom, looking for them.
Oh, look, look, look, look!
The ball's not on the 2-1.
The ball's support deleted right off the start of this fight.
Do they still want to continue here?
The Cotto's gonna feed away.
Because, boom, trying to play some pressure to you.
Must bear by popping the BKB.
You can see KJ buying back.
still has that static storm, Agnus Scepter to work with. Now two dead from Maus in terms of the
support heroes. One buyback incoming, big Wukong's command coming out, and look at this frog just
melt inside the ring. So one buyback on each side, Maus getting the better of this exchange.
He's still a big one, right? Whisper out for a 90. The old record, you know that he doesn't even
have a buyback available, so that's over a minute where he's out. Tylan definitely can still look
look for a little bit of a poke.
That's after we respect the hex.
But other than that, he's very, very strong on the pox.
Yeah.
Does he need to go for Lincoln's or something?
I guess the E on disc is effectively that.
Yeah, it's kind of that.
It would still help you later.
Oh, man, he's being so annoying.
So is the bear.
I'm going to cover that silver edge now.
Well, if Roche isn't dying, if LGD
gets to keep doing this, what if Bear is just
like poking a little bit, you keep orbing it out.
They're very happy with this.
There's a bear showing again with that Mjolnir, so another wave partially killed off, actually could have gone for it because now Maus has their sight set on Roche, who they make...
You can see he exits the pit because of the illusionary orb, so more delay tactics from LGD.
They should definitely force this, and eventually if you blink Shima onto this high ground, you can force his A on this.
I think they have to roar now.
You have to kind of go and zone this cock a little bit.
Oh my goodness.
Tai Long is being such a menace right now.
The question is, where is Boom with that Sheepstick? Yuma can place all this pressure as well, without him being in base.
Just hit that high ground if he really wants.
They do have Pogla's variable now, but Malzav drops a lot of pressure on this map.
He's been 15 seconds away from Whisper coming back. The tier 3 is getting taken out, probably going to force the fortification.
Pushback's not going to hit.
Boomerang applied. There's the coil coming out of the two crystals already with the BKB.
Static's only just going to walk right through it, rolling Thundernaut from mid.
Well, they're getting nothing out of this. It's Malzav. They have to kill some heroes.
It's finally about to strike onto KJ, getting glimpsed away at the last moment, gets bashed up though, so that's the death of the support.
Now, you can see the double kill from mid-watt. It's Yamash taking a lot of damage from this frog. He pops the BKB along with the E on disc.
Come to you to walk it off though, mid-tier three. He just came back and yeah, Yuma just killing these buildings. No problem at all.
No fire applied to the pugs. Again, just delay tactics from LGD. They eventually get the Aegis, but that worked off exactly.
They get the faster the last moments with the Abyssal Blade, Talon, Illusory Orb, they shift, blink away, wading Rift into the pit, the Monkey King Soldier sees him.
As he gets to the high ground now with the Illusory Orb, he will survive as the Yuma bear continuing to go for buildings.
So we got the Melee top, almost the second one in the mid lane.
Who wins this fight exact?
This was really strange because at first I'm like, Miles are not really doing much, LGD really get to delay.
I don't know if the Aegis matters that much so top Rax double Glyph is gone as yeah, gonna force something out
My god, is he gonna die here? Are you serious? That is the Aegis already out that is unreal
No stop
Catches the frog and turn this around on the bear again. Look at the damage being applied to poor
Chrysalis finally the bear will be vanquished
But my goodness that took so much effort for mouse. Okay, he does live obviously the trade is way better for LGD
Because I think the award for shortest ages is in a series kind of goes through crystallis here for real both the last one
And this one nearly dropped immediately
This is interesting. He goes for boots of travel to right off the bat for the Largo
Kind of like that, you know more movement speed you TP faster, which is quite nice
Can always go on everyone else if you have a biopic available you can go there too
I wonder what you must saw and that like the last fight
I love his you know the fact that he didn't really go anywhere with his bear
You only want to push but at some point he did put the bear like a little bit away from hitting racks, but either way two tier threes a
Range racks and a melee racks. It's quite quite big for him
Now almost got that second melee racks to
Yeah, you've got to be careful now with that.
Landward shreds buildings, and you've used your new glyph as well.
Yeah, 25 Talon available as well.
Got the refresher queued up on Yuma for a couple of more bears if you want to later.
Yeah, Aghanim Scepter now consumed by Tylon.
He is getting incredibly strong.
Don't really know what he wants to go for next on the park.
Park there is a there's a BKB option. I really like the Lincoln still even though you do have the A on this
I think it like the Lincoln's can kind of cover the A on a little bit because then when you know
The hex will kind of get soaked up by it
You could go for a refresher later as well on the park just some double coil going your way
The fact that you have to worry about this bear at all times is super annoying for mouse
As they go through the gate
and now
See if they connect with LGD in the cover of the smoke this this is a very tense game bear
Gonna pop it onto boom gonna pop that she was no vision
They got the play at all. I'm on sights though. Yeah, it's gonna pop that E on disc
My along surely should be safe here
Such a hard year to control
Now the very least they take out the E on disc Yuma bear
I get the hook stop, here comes out, blinding light, cheepstick.
That's going to be death number one of two.
And they made him use the BKB on the bear as well, so still quite a big timing.
Some active ones going to work.
Mid one queuing up a block form, which is interesting.
And still the core in some trouble.
Yes, he is.
Let's see if he can shoot himself over the edge. He cannot.
80 seconds without the hoodwink.
You're right. This is very tense. It's interesting because
based on how the...
how gameplay has been in terms of the meta with like Roche kills,
it's so weird to have this big pause.
Yeah, if you want to call it that, Roche can't spawn for like 7 minutes.
It's like so long that Roche just can't spawn.
like even from this point onwards like we're just waiting multiple minutes of
course LGD here think they're quite happy with this right you want to keep
pushing out the map as you use this would be the second bear so he's gonna be
down for quite a while if they could finish him off that's to be the case
yeah that's over a minute very nice okay Tylong he's got huge cojones he just
bought a rape here like straight up on puck okay it's got a amp damage wound
divine rape here you're gonna croak a brother up with catalyst yeah he is he's
He's a big boy. He's a big juicy boy.
So Damage Rune pops the Shiva's in its place, or swaps it rather.
Yeah, this is dirty.
Yeah, you better...
I think the sector's gonna go to work here.
You better pay attention to this man.
If you're coiled up with this divine wraith here, available on him with the Amdammage Iron Throat, you are dying fast.
Mouse, you've tried to go high ground before, with an Aegis, mind you.
This is like running up and down static storm already, but the wind waker is going to be applied to the monkey king mid one with the rolling thunder on the outskirts of this
Where's the fuck is the question?
So waiting for that coil there it is only on to the one with the bkb pop from Chris is gonna use the wukong's command
But there's a fortification going to nullify most of that shark shooter not gonna hit anything
They're gonna get the tier three
You can see the bear on the bottom lane so you can apply a lot of pressure there's whisper with a big blink
into a lick, into a double lick, in fact, into a forcing stampede.
They're gonna keep chasing.
The horse is very scared of the frog taunt, popping the BKB to avoid that glimpse now.
If he has any ball to take.
If he has any ball to take, yeah, the bearage is going ham in the bot lane and a force out
the TP's.
You can see Chris was able to get out just in time.
Boom.
Not so lucky though.
Not sure what the high ground plan was for Mouse.
No, not really.
Didn't work out at all.
Especially with Chris Dallas.
I don't know what he's looking for, interest or what.
He's got 10,000 gold saved up.
What?
Yeah, you gotta spend some gold if you wanna go for some of these plays.
He's going rapier then.
He's got it. I guess he's eating.
He wants to consume, have divine, and buy back.
Alright, alright.
And now we have Refresher for Lone Druid himself is starting to get items.
That's how you know how late the game is.
So he'll be able to have three bears essentially.
Pretty much.
They still have to lift available at least some miles.
You should... I think something miles could look for is like set up a trap against it.
because you need to keep tabs on the bear.
All that matters is like this bottom lane, if he can keep clearing the tier 3,
so placing some observers and sentries on the bot half of the map,
just to find this bear, I think would be incredibly big for them.
Probably mid one also, I think a Wind Waker or like a BKB,
anything to help you play against this static storm would be quite nice for you.
So yeah, he's definitely eyeing the start portrait.
We've been talking about it, and eventually he had to buy back
and he gave up his greedy enchantment because he's looking at bigger things.
He took the enchanted Bobro Kurva.
Oh yeah, that's a good one.
To start going for the late game, as it's the only core.
All the supports are dreaming big. I like it.
You know, KJ can keep upping the timeless on his bobble.
A little bit sad we won't be seeing that on Tylong though.
That's true.
And I think of bobble, I think of Tylong.
You have to think of Tylong's Zeus just killing everyone.
At least he's still going for the big plays with the rapier on him
as he is the top map for slot of the game.
So, last step for the Spirit Bear is to consume Agz, and then he goes Butterfly, which is a bit awkward for Chrysalis, because it's not like he can fit...
I mean, I guess he can eat Agz for MKB, but what else would you go for, I suppose?
I mean, I guess the Agz at this one is already the Divine Raiders slot, right? So, MKB is the one.
Maybe this is where the Bloodthorn can come in from mid one, who just, you know, was fishing a bit with the roll here.
But of course, you can dispel the Bloodthorn multiple ways later on the bear.
Well, okay, mid one almost killed off just from the right clicks alone. My goodness this rapier is going to work
He does not have life.
He pops the BKB, you're right, 90 seconds no pango, now the Divine Rapier coming out for Chrysalis. They're left in a 4v5 situation
Questions, does LGD know that there's no buyback?
You have to assume that he has it, right? Like you see him buy Booth of Travel 2 on pango that doesn't really...
It's not the item you like really buy out.
out yeah so they should assume he has by they should have seen the rapier now if
they do click monkey king on the mini map as he resolve the show himself
Tyla looks so annoying there's a reason that this guy is seen as one of the
new prodigies in the scene yeah some pressure now to the centaur
Yamage I have HP despite having an infinite mount seemingly I think Yamage
Sold an item he had for the agonist. I don't know if he had blink or lens or glimmer another two or three bites to dust
And so just the racks are
Available for the taking of course like you said if they knew that Pango didn't have by right they would be going
Oh, I really hard right now
Well, they can just keep playing if let the coil now onto the grim stroke
You can see how much damage that does as you must bear static storm is going to be applied
Give them some space but nobody's inside of that. I don't believe they're getting toyed with right now
Yeah, they're just being pulled left and right
At the seams as Boom has to use a stampede just to get away.
So 18 seconds for mid one, the building's getting...
They're not getting destroyed that fast, as finally the
the range racks will fall to the creeps. Well the thing is that eventually you
will have to plant. There it goes, so mid lane now in favor of LGD is gonna cost them
a bear, but he's got more where that came from. LGD are playing just quite nicely,
I'm not gonna lie. If you're a mouse you have to set up observers and sentries,
You need to kill this bear before he comes close and blinks on your rocks
But he can just mark up. He can just blink BKB and kill it. You don't have a glyph
This illusion room could be huge actually
Although they are smoked and the illusions kind of suck
So not that strong in terms of them using spells on it potentially true baiting. Yeah, KJ spotted
Destroyed by the battle of strike does have my back though
We'll use it instantly the coil being applied to ripstope dying very shortly tylock not that low yet double kill for him
As you have to be careful with that bear going for that mega creeps. It's gonna force out the TP from chrysalis now
It's tylock forcing mid one back bush wet not gonna hit
Another bkbtp away from mouse
And whispers and tylocks damages in these fights are insane the catalyst with the pros to 15 talent where you deal max health dps
Yes, it's honestly just kind of nasty.
Every fight is like 5k, 6k, 7k, 8k damage.
Here we have the white hole on Panto to start protecting the Rax from the bear.
This is going to open up Roshan and this is with all the goodies now.
The LGD in a pretty damn good spot.
The silver lining for Maus is they only have to defend one building.
At this point it's easy to choose where you need to be.
Oh, it's difficult.
Okay, I like the Abyssal Blade on Priscilla's. You need to stop this stupid bear.
And you have multiple problems. That's the other thing.
I don't know if you want to be on spell rape here.
Yeah, what's that about?
I think that's a misclick.
Okay.
That's...
Did he fix it?
Yeah, I think what's it like...
Because you need to stop the bear from hitting the buildings and you need to stop Whisper and Tylong from killing US heroes.
Okay, Boomer's trying to go for the cart
to try and save some people from the static storms.
Not easy at all.
so hard yeah you can't even in a full lens or something to really do that
reliably because if you're kj obviously you can i put it more to the side like
where they're closer to their teammates and it's even harder to save
well i guess if you're not getting hit you can bkb blink in
save but yeah easier said than done absolutely
all right so how how does lgd close this out now that everybody's gonna be
grouped up in the same spot.
You can just keep doing what they're doing right now.
Oh, it's here five times. We forgot to mention that.
So we got some Minotaur horns now for Tylong and Whisper, so extra BKB timing.
Yeah, hook of the dead on Lone Druid, quite nice.
Let's see if anyone gives up the enchanted baubles.
And this is one of the cool things about Lone Druid.
Of course, you get the double, you get the same neutral on both your guy and your bear.
So you have 18 billion Necronomicons running around.
Oh, my.
What can mouse do here?
This seems so insurmountable now.
You have to be ready.
Bear jumps in, already gets the building to half-age.
This is just mega creeps.
You see the illusion coming out.
See how strong that bear is.
That's mega creeps now for LGD.
They can slow play this if they want.
Coil was expended though.
And now you use the creeps to your advantage.
They're just slowly getting whittled down.
Like, they can just keep toying with him.
Puck, you know, Tyrone, he keeps going in and out.
He's got all the slots he wants.
There's Necrobooks on one lane.
Bear is hitting you on the other.
You eventually have to commit, which is difficult, but you need to look for a jump and then kind of commit all your stuff on it.
Divine regalia now for Chris, looking for an enormous boundless strike crit as they find a pango, static storm in there.
It gets pushed away though, trying to finish it off, pops the BKB, gets a refresher off, looking for another coil.
The damage, I don't know if he gets too much, Divine Rapier hits the deck as Ty Lung can take it if he wants.
it if he wants, it's still sitting on the ground.
Who's gonna grab it?
Any rapier enjoyed?
Gailan?
Yep.
Alright, he gets a second rapier to his name.
Okay, 20 seconds on the next coil, fight before or stay at the Hellenbase.
Yeah, Crystal is now...
Rebinding a rapier?
Doesn't have a slot filled at the moment as you must bear continuing to rain terror
upon Maus.
Uh-oh, 5 seconds for coil.
Banner placed as well. Just on the outskirts here, the creeps have to be pulled in.
Another rapier, this time for Whisper, so the spell damage variation.
Oh, yeah, I like this.
Phycetar, hook, duck, and the damage applied to him right now.
The Coyle of the three heroes on the backline doing absolute north!
That she deletes the damage mid-one, has to use the roll to try to get away with it.
A sharp shooter deletes him at the last moment.
No buyback for him now as Boom bites the dust as well.
Double kill for Ty Lung inside the Wukong's command. They have no follow-up. They do get the pump, but that's just the ages.
Meanwhile, Crystal is left all alone and that is a die-back for him. Three members left for Maus as Ty Lung gets away and this looks to be it as LGD
G comes out and LGD eliminate Maus.
Honestly, LGD is looking quite good.
I love watching Whisper playing and Tylon and they always pull on some type of performances that
You don't really see like all the time, you know Tylon in so many of these late game fights and games
He just goes have ends up with a double rape here
I think all of LGD playing quite well at mouse in one of the games where they play better
They eventually find themselves dropping the ball getting picked off LGD get the space they want and they just strike back
Yeah, what an awesome game though from both sides
That was so fucked back then.
The game was pretty long, but you remember the first 20 minutes of like four different fights,
so it just went one team fed four, another team fed four, just back and forth.
It's just such a close game.
And I mean, there's a point where we thought, mouse, they were headed 10k lead, they were pushing Higer,
and then it just flipped flopped just like that.
Yeah, I feel like they were doing a good job,
but then eventually maybe misreading some of the overall situation of the game,
holding a lot of gold, and maybe rushing to Higer when you could have just waited out a bit.
LGD overall, getting the things they need to get the KJ Aghanem Scepter, to play it chill, to play it full, make a good comeback.
And honestly, I did expect LGD to at least go through a couple rounds, put up a good fight.
Because this team, they're good and they're really fun to watch.
Before we go over LGD a little bit more, but mouse, mid-1, 16 and 5 on Pang.
That's one of the better pango performances we've had at this tournament.
And quite a while in fact, just excellently played, just wasn't enough this game.
And then Thailand ends the game for LGD at 15 and 5 on the clock, ends with two divine rapiers as we're seeing.
This was the sequence where there were four kills for one team, four kills for the next.
Just back...it was like an A-R-A-M.
This was a little bit of an over throw like all 5v5, they just keep fighting it up.
But Thailand dragged 100,000 damage mark in this game as well.
And overall, sometimes with Lago, you don't really see its impact.
I think in this game you really did.
Whisper popped off the constant bots as well on this entire team, allowing Titan to also, you know,
pop off in this game overall with the croak.
So yeah, honestly, huge shout-outs and kudos to them, and Miles is kind of falling short,
just not looking like their prime form at all.
Yeah.
But LGD is. They're powering up quite a bit.
They look really good in this tournament overall, especially the games that we've cast.
Whisper, like you talked about, has been the X-Factor in many games, and this is no exception.
The radiance kind of unusual for an awfully especially as a third item radiance actually working out quite well
The bear actually worked out
It took quite a while that I think his team put in honestly some very very heavy lifting as they needed but yeah
Lgd good recovery last game place. Let's go to Milosh for an interview
Thank you very much my friends it is South America that takes it in this one a huge moment for the region as
As Yuma is joining me for this interview, a quick question.
Game 1, 35-minute smooth sailing, why was it so efficient in that first game?
I mean, I think they gave us Oscar, so I think it's the classic.
If we get away with it, we'll finish it quick.
They can't keep getting away with it. Well, game 2, they put up a much bigger fight.
It was chaotic to say the least. Back and forth the whole time,
started off with little pokes, they're getting very aggressive, then to ratting, and then to big team fights.
So, tell me, were you guys usually like to get into fights real early, as fast as possible?
Was there some hesitation, or was it just part of the plan to slow it down and pick it back up, whatever's needed?
I think we played pretty bad, the first like 20-25 minutes of the game.
I think we should not be giving them as many fights as we did,
But eventually we're just like guys, like we need to stop trying to fight them when they're stronger and just need to split and play the long-dread slash ball gameplay and eventually we'll win.
And that's the question of, well, Maus try to play it in the first game, didn't work out for them. Why did it go well for you in game 2? Because you kind of gave them a schooling in this one.
Was it really a schooling? Well, we're trying to be positive about it, my friend. 60 minute game.
No, I mean, I think we just played better today than them and we executed it slightly better.
Is that why it just worked for you in general?
Yeah, I would say, yeah. We learned from the losses against Yandex.
It's crazy what playing against very experienced teams will teach you and kind of help you out in your own gameplay, huh?
That's true.
Well, lastly, speaking of experienced teams, you're going to be playing BB team next up in the bracket.
So my question to you is, do you have any fighting words for them before that game?
Any fighting words?
Or just words in general?
No, let's just make it a good showing and maybe the games will last two hours, we'll see.
We're here all night now, however long it will take.
Thank you, congratulations on a huge win.
And for now, we have to bring out the rest of the team because this is part of how things work,
is that we crush your opponent's key and you get to do it.
Who do you think wants to do from the team or you?
Let's ask him.
Come on over.
KJ, come on over.
Who do you think wants to crush Maus's key?
Me.
Thailand's got it ready to go.
So let's take LGD over to a crusher.
Let's give it one more hand.
LGD victorious today.
What a game.
Game two especially had everybody on edge
back and forth the whole time.
And it's time for a door to open up!
Let's get in!
No, no, you're gonna go in this!
Yeah!
And you'll see how it works.
The key of Maus is already in the machine in her crusher.
Along their hopes and dreams, it will also be smashed.
Tylong, you pull it towards you. There you go. There's a bit of mechanics, a bit of tech in this one.
There you go. All the way. Push it away. No need for a spirit bear in this one.
And... CRUSHED IT!!!
My god, it really gets you up in it.
That is it, LGD, take down Maus, and that is a continuation for Latin American team.
Our panel is ready and set, and is that Slacks?
Did you betray me?
Well, Slacks, I'll let you take this one.
No, I didn't betray you, baby.
Somebody had to come up and look at that key, look at those cross-strips, look at his reaction.
He didn't react at all.
He just killed a team's dream and look at his face.
He's laughing.
He's laughing.
That's their dreams you're crushing and you're laughing, dude.
Yeah, he wasn't really good at pulling because this is the core player we're talking about,
but he was really good at pushing.
And he crushed it really.
He literally did.
I want to talk about this game we just witnessed though because this game too, you know, you
I say that they are kind of not so good in the first 20 minutes, but those first 20 minutes
that's about two kills a minute. I enjoyed that. It's kind of crazy. I think they this is how
Maus won like the previous Valakia that they participated in at the end of 2025,
some quite quite some time ago, but this has been their playstyle ever since they have been formed
where they're just completely running it. You're not allowing you basically to breathe and
And this is something you might talk about in an interview,
saying that we need to slow things down.
Like, we have this play,
and they showed it throughout the whole game
after they got Agni and Scepter on Lua Druid,
making sure that there's always something to play for,
try to outnumber them.
By outnumber, I mean, like, outpush the lanes
and make sure that they can't really contest this.
And they couldn't, like,
some catch, like forcing Sampdor to pick up Hex,
which is not an item that's kind of traditional on the hero.
It did some work, but not enough.
LGD, they said, you know what? We had enough of these shenanigans. We're not we don't want to be like playing Dota on your terms
Yeah, and I mean mouse's strategy throughout much of the year has been early game domination get the heroes that we like and maybe not too many synergies
But everyone's just gonna play their heroes well, and we're gonna run at you early game
So LGD it did kind of look like a pub game for the first 25 minutes
Just teams dive in towers killing each other, but honestly
Or die, but they had a really good balance of let's fight. Okay. This is no longer working. Let's step back
Let's rat and then at the end of the game right pierce is coming out taking that fight again
It was really a clinic from LGD. They should be super proud of what they did in this game
They gave them the heroes they wanted they fought them on their terms
They fought them with a hero
They just poofed on their first game and then they ended it out
So I mean really really impressed by LGD in this series. Yeah, very much so
I very much enjoyed that when they were fighting and they were allowing mouse to you know, do their fighting thing
They're like, you know, I will fight you and we'll drag that fight out. But in the meantime, oh my god, my bear
It's just in your bag in your base
Poppa bear is pounding on the door and nobody answering alright
He is eating all the cookie that was rough stuff to watch because it's at that point. You're in the roast pit
You're like guys, this isn't working. We have to get out of here
We're popping BKB's, but you know they just did not let him breathe in this game
They did not you heard a story about the rabbit and the turtle
But have you heard a story about the bear and the frog because it seems like in this one bear was playing on a different
Terms playing on the other side of the map while frog was keeping them quite busy
I don't know what the moral of that story is it probably banned the bear or like try to counter him because this one
I mean it looked good for the first like 20 maybe even 25 minutes
So like especially the first between 15 at 20
They looked extremely strong with the coddle there with the amount of heels that they did have plus also
Glamour K for top of that like essence rings that they did have they were very very
Thanky, but it
They just said yep me do want to play Dota on these terms. Nope
No, I mean it is really cool for LGD. It's so great to see their journey from yes
Roic to X heroic losing their org then getting picked up by such a big
Tournament, I mean it's fantastic
But I have to say somebody that has supported mouths for the entire year big fan on that team
Sometimes just not working man
I mean they got everything that they needed didn't make it to TI not the placing that they were hoping to have here today
So I love these guys. I think they'd had a really really great year
but something's got to change after that man.
It does.
We're first going to also take a look at from this game
something that went right for Maus
because you mentioned a lot of Regen-
No, oh he's saying no, you mentioned Regeneration.
It was, it was at the time.
Yeah, they looked good, you know,
with the turnaround plays, fighting inside Vukong's command,
maybe some like turnaround plays that they did,
but the game lasted again for another 16 minutes.
And this was pretty much the turner point of the game
when it took a pretty wrong turn, sorry, it's been a long day for Nauze because they're
kind of forced to use the Rolling Thunder immediately after the coil and then I think
LGD realized we need to take out this Coddle straight away, like we need to kill him and
they're also using quite a lot of resources using the roll, using the Stampede as well
and also using the BKB on Monkey King almost immediately, so he's forced to, kind of, like,
This is Agathem's center, so he doesn't even get to use it straight away, that's my bad,
and then uses it after, dies immediately afterwards, and it does feel like they can't really take
the fight anymore, because again, Tylong, he's just going with them at this point of
the game, making sure that they are getting these two-man Bushwax, something that Teolikor
really shined in this last game, and also afterwards, as long as they kill this one,
I think it does feel like their damage output is extremely limited, so they were unable
to get much done out of this one and there's going to be another great point because there
has been a very long row steam fight while the bear was taking all these bear if they're
like okay we get the trade like we get something out of this. Sure you got the aegis and then
invisible bear hunts you down takes off that aegis so you've got a lot of effort for nothing
they're at least going to be taking down the bear getting some xp getting some gold but
This is pretty much where the game kind of said,
yeah, LGD, we see what type of a game they want to be playing
and they don't have the answers for it
on the side of Maus, unfortunately.
Very sad.
Yeah, I mean, Maus has always been this entire season
their best when Mid-One is leading the charge,
he's in the front, they're taking somebody out
and they're moving.
And we saw that in the mid-game, you know?
Mid-One was just able to instantly blow people up,
but once that HP started getting up,
once they couldn't immediately eliminate somebody,
My Tylong on the puck is just so much better at that, getting in, dealing damage, getting
out.
He won on the puck.
Can we just take a moment?
Yeah.
That hasn't been happening a lot.
He has got a 25% win rate.
He won.
Able to beat the odds.
Not enough to get MVP for him though.
It was a tight contest.
But I think Tylong was at least third, you know, good for him.
to us. It was not in... We talked about two players in particular that we thought would
be the MVP of this series. Whisper was one of them, but at the end of the day, it's
got to go to the Bears. There was one guy that played old Bears. Yuma got MVP. There
we go. A man that certainly deserves it. I mean, you can see from Game 1, seeing this
poor little guy get smacked around, absolutely horrific this Bear action. I mean, it usually
really gets the earth sign out of this draft if you're up against these guys in the next
serious boys. No bear is safe from Mr. Ulas. Yeah, he got all the bears. He got that, you
know, say we've got that dog in him, but he got that bear in him.
He definitely had the best performance, I would say, of them all, especially those like
earlier rotations when he was playing Ursa in the first game, making sure that he's
ganking Sniper five, six minutes into the game, putting in rotation, making sure that
that they are going to be punishing the enemy carry and also speeding things up.
In the second game, like he realized, he talked about in an interview where they just needed to realize,
not sure whose call it was, probably has, saying that I can win this game with pretty much 1v5
or 2v5 in this case because he does count as two heroes.
Okay.
That can't be real. I mean, he's still the same hero.
Still counts as another hero.
Sure.
Whenever you say Lacoste, you're a much smarter man than I.
But I will say, yes, I agree with your assessment of their scary Barry coming through looking strong.
Yeah, I'd be surprised if he got that again.
I mean, Lone Druid, there's not too many teams that are still playing Lone Druid.
These guys, the reason that it is still so scary.
Yeah, I think maybe some some teams that we already see have made it through to the playoffs
might be the ones you might not want to pick it against, because a lot of the
higher up teams who seem to have some answers, but you could tell
Mouse did not in this game too, and that's why they will take their leaf a key is already been crushed
We could take a look at what's been happening today because that is the end of the games today
We had two series on this stream and
And we slightly biased here, but that first series. Oh my gosh
That was that was a bang that was a banger, you know clear your schedule if you missed that first series
No spoiler, Reno's, but I guess
If you can't read, let me tell you, that is a good one to watch, that is pure Dota, baby.
In it, to win it.
People are like, babe, come to bed, why have you been watching this series for five hours?
I don't have time, babe. I gotta see what happens here. It's only been 80 minutes.
Leave me alone. So yeah, absolutely.
It was a great series, LaCosta.
You have the mistakes here and there, but that makes it more fun.
You know, absolutely. I mean the first game was extremely good the second one even longer
But also showing that the Marana can look like almost like the MVP of the game as well
Yeah, she's back in the main. She's definitely back from position five only exclusively for play does for probably only if you're talking
You can't get MVP to play this position for so that I think a lot of the teams are probably listening. They're like, yeah, you know what?
We want that five Marana. Yeah, I we're seeing that more and more, right? Do supports even exist in this game?
It feels like now it's basically like everybody in the core, right?
He's like hey, you know what give me enough time. I'll buy some magic right peers. We'll see what happens
I think she did something like two thousand damage in one
Two thousand damage that's what you were gonna say like the two hundred thousand damage. You did seventy thousand damage in that game
70,000 damage
Holy moly was very long. So I feel like those numbers we can't really eat too much from them cheaper
That's almost one damage per gold. They were ahead
That's not okay, that's not okay at all.
Let's see, now you make it seem real bad.
That's gambler, we can't have that again.
Ice Frog said no, no on that.
Any other cool lessons we learned from today's match?
Jesus, yeah, when you go into work thinking it's going to be a quick little day,
you're going to be very wrong.
All right, that was, yeah, absolutely great.
I mean, never count one of these teams out.
I'll say that, that's the lesson to learn.
Even though these guys were not in the top of the brackets,
They all fought tooth and nail and I would say this EWC this where people show up to play their best
Nobody is looking weak in this tournament. Yeah, I think the format has something to do with that as well
Oh, absolutely. It's that time of year, especially with single limb format
We are seeing some teams really powering up like we saw even extreme gaming powering up
We had to say goodbye to one of them unfortunately, but team liquid looking like again like a top contender
This is the type of, you know, environment that does power them up pretty, yeah, pretty, pretty strong.
And they do feel like they could potentially do the whole run, you know, and there's only four serious left for them,
potentially three BO3s, one BO5.
It's anyone to grab, Sheever, but we have still a lot of strong things left in the tournament.
So it's going to be very exciting.
We do.
And for us today, thank you so much for your words today, gentlemen, because we are done for
the day on this thing. We will of course be back tomorrow for what you guys survived today.
God, this is the survival stage. But the survival stage is not yet done. It will continue tomorrow.
And if there are any matches or any games that you missed today, thank you for that.
Then don't worry, we are not going to leave you empty-handed. We will be back tomorrow.
But for now, we are going to leave you with the STC recap of the day.