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People.
Answer, Rod.
Zongi, you're not a true viewer.
It's only for YouTube videos.
Zongi, you're not a true viewer. It's only for YouTube videos.
Back over to Rackage. I don't know, man. I've never ran into it.
This Rackage do.
I'm hitting his damage.
Yeah, maybe we just can't kill him.
I don't know, I don't know how to run into it.
Maybe just pass him, forget how he exists.
It can't be that common, right?
Maybe on the Alice, you don't select strength or int.
Gerard had to watch Farmer yesterday aware despair.
What's the feedback stream? I didn't want to do something like this for a while.
I want to do a full actual feedback from start to finish and campaign to any game.
Not just, you know, all I hate towers, you know, I'll say towers, but I want to give
them a full feedback.
The people he's leaving early access, right?
Rage stream or not rage stream.
I like Path of Exile too.
I generally enjoy the game, but there is a lot of stuff that can improve.
I prefer PE2 or PE1 right now.
I think PE2 is a very enjoyable game.
There's a lot of good to it nowadays.
But there is also a...
The days use our improvements, you know.
And my money back on PE2 goes free?
No, I can't check points.
Why is my cast on dodge broken again?
How this issue of my cast on dodge he's breaking now I don't know why it's it's literally just
breaking. It works. I'm up and swap. I don't notice. Does anyone else have this bug? Like
it won't work on my grenade anymore. I don't understand. How do you fix it? My cheats are
fine I a new one I brought anyone yesterday I woke up is broken again
no one's on trades you want you I want to trade a 23 quality low 16 cast on
dodge any 20 qualities in chat
it's sushi on the band I hope so
whatever I'm playing that much anyway today I'll fix it later I have to
Onset rings take it out and put it back in. Onset rings. That picks up.
No, it does not fix it. Wait. I can't even, what? This is like so pricked. I can't
even like activate. I'll just be right now. Oh, wait, let me turn off my arm. Nope. It's
still don't work. Yeah, maybe I have to take these out. I'm not missing Dex. So no, it's
not working still. I don't know what's bugged with it. I don't. Yeah, I just, it literally
does not work in my crossbow. I'm not missing unbanned retards. I can't dude. I'm starting
machine like this.
Hopefully not in this index.
I don't know the ostrich.
How do you fix this?
Like what is this bug, dude?
I reported to who and who is going to get me to get back to
work to look at it, but I fix this.
I did buy a new cast on Dodge and it instantly broke again.
So that's not the solution if it keeps breaking.
It really instantly broke when I woke up.
This was working last night.
I logged off.
I brought a new cast on Dodge last night.
Right. It fixed it.
I logged off.
I logged in today and now it's broken again. What do you do?
Weapons set in tornado? No, that would.
You may leave.
New gem every day. Anyone here with 23 quality cast and dodge want to trade me?
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I know if I buy a new one it fixes it, but this one was working last night.
I wake up and now it's prepped.
So something is like just completely wrong.
to cast on Dodge.
18, 18, 18, 19, 18, 18.
I need 16th issue.
I have my own.
Whatever.
We're doing a feedback stream anyway.
We had to buy Blaster Dunns every day in past leagues.
Actually.
I was fixing cock less than a single or is by new gen and start enabling
Common I
Never had this I played like since early act like 0.1, right? I played a lot. I never had this happen before
And I've used cast on dodge cast on crit
Like all the cast on whatever is every single leak
Let's interested this happen now
I'm missing a strength jump somehow.
all the spirit champs now.
is done. I think it's just no, she's just brick. I tried everything last night. It's
I don't know. Wait, my arctargrommer. Alright, that works. Alright, it's just bruh.
Who's playing boos? I don't think you're playing boos.
Yaw strips, you play this game a lot, right?
He's a pro too, enjoy your...
What is your feedback with PLE2?
Why don't you get other two's opinions?
I want to do my full feedback, but I want to do it from start to finish.
You didn't play 0.5 at this event and getting one of these in pro one league, yeah.
I can call, yeah, share.
No discord live notification today.
Oh yeah, Matt's bots are down.
Um,
there's actually no notifications.
I can notify, here, here, here.
Notify me.
Dream is up.
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All right, I'll just do it.
Watch the PoxClip, link to PoxClip.
Now I want to say this, I am a Path of Excella 2 enjoyer.
I just want to need to improve in some ways.
Where's the PoxClip?
We actually challenged her on the EGF.
I can discord, I accepted from the quest, hold up, who's going to pox clip?
I like pox, he's a good man, pretty old nowadays, what did I say?
Yeah, okay, Jen's being gated a little 54 is I so XDD or pretty to oh wait no sound my bad
What specifically do you not like I
Don't like the support gem system. I don't like that gems are gated all the way up to level 54
I don't like that 90% of the skills or maybe that's too big of a number 50% of the skills
If it's not trash and the only way to make them feel good is
Like utilizing a proper unique some type of conversion or something else
I feel like skills at a baseline should feel good
And you say wow
I'm excited to use that and then you use support gems to augment that further not the other way around you know
I think that we should be strong versus rare. By the way, hear what I'm saying. We should not take peoE1's approach to this
He's a brand new game. It's a fresh slate. You should you know
You should make skills function on a baseline and make them cool, you know
I hate the whole generator spender with charges. I don't like that skills are attached to charges at all
Well, it is more to this design a full cliff
I don't like the current ascenti situation with the trials and that I don't stand any
Mapping being you have to run this map because it's here
I want to be able to run some form of maps that I want some builds literally just get completely
Dicked on the base off the type of map some bosses are literally bug
I don't understand why bodak cannot be frozen at all
I need build that is built on freeze and there's a lot about shows and also this combo based thing is completely
Deleted by that boss because it doesn't work to me
There's a lot of conflicting
Did I did I has fine good combo gameplay? I don't think anyone could play about my narrow line of rods, right?
It's like it's just well a channel shot. I shot or something like it's just a general good gameplay. It's not bad
You back stream. Yeah directions with the way the game is going and I love the game and the game is not bad
Yeah, and I can get some Europeans to me on campaign. No culture from people
I like I said, I generally enjoy P2. There's not a hate stream
I really enjoy the game, but I do feel like there is a lot of stuff that can be improved
It's just I can see myself
Asking these questions because the game is in early access and there should be like, you know
That should be but I'm expecting to have an answer at some point
But all this is being pushed to release now. So I don't know
And it's also I think the biggest mistake Peewee 2 has done is GG's lack of
experimentation or anything balance etc in early access like this wasn't early access to that I
don't have to be honest the period to early access and not feel like early access I just felt like
literally a regular PUE game I did not feel like early access to me they didn't like do anything
early access to make it early access I feel like 0.5 the weekly patches was the only time where
where I kind of felt like early access,
we got like a balance, not balance patch,
but we're getting like mechanic changes
every single week in 0.5.
That's the only time we're actually felt like early access.
And then it has stopped.
I agree with that.
I did say at some point I want way more combo gameplay
between different weapons.
I agree.
Generator, Spender, is janky, but combo gameplay is fun.
Yeah, and I'm OK with combo as long as it's intuitive.
So what's intuitive?
Parmafrost and fragmentation rounds.
Two.
of frost freezes fragmentation consumes the freeze to do an explode that's good right that's that's
totally kind of a janky as fuck like you have to parry things that are frost into your twister
and church nato it's like this four button combo it's like what is this man it makes like
act when spear feels so clunky totally fine and a lot of combo gameplay is alleviated with keystones
on the tree and unique items and that's also fine you know combo in the campaign
Also, like on top of that a lot of the combo stuff is really just straight-up automated end game
So it feels clunky as fuck and campaign early game
Then you get some unique you get your your passive your five link whatever and then the commos automated out of them a combo gameplay
It's like
And then we're doing a three button combo into a two button combo by utilizing a keystone or by utilizing a unique item
That's okay. I
I like the charge spend. I feel different when you can set it up in a way that's not five steps.
Yeah, but it's not always that way. That's the problem is when I played Huntress a lot,
Huntress was all about spending my charges, and the only way I could generate them is by applying some form of crowd control or parrying.
And to me, that's not consistent on boss fights.
So to me, there was no solution when I played.
maybe there's more solutions now
but my question is do all the solutions have to be gated behind
like rare unique items
or can some solutions just be baked into the skill
and you have to unlock it or something else
you know
it's like twisters like twisters really have a lot of like fucking jank
i hate twizz in the campaign it's so fucking jank
you do all these fucking comic bullshit but then you get to endgame you can automate all your twisters shit and it's just it's fine
It's like bro, I don't want this shit to feel like janking campaign.
That's more of like a problem I have.
Yeah, is that it? Is that as well? Yeah, you back?
Like I said, I got a lot. I hate sprint. I will die on my hill with sprint.
I think it's bad for the game. I think that it's good, but it's bad.
I hate checkpoints. I hate checkpoints more than sprint.
Checkpoints also bad. I hate checkpoints more than sprint for sure.
I think I hit spring with the checkpoints.
Elite spring, get a crafting bench.
This is all at 1.0.
All right, I want to start doing my feedback, and these are calm people at different points.
I want to complete, I want to write down my full thoughts of Puey too, because I
generally do enjoy this game.
I think Puey 2 is a great game, but there is so much to improve as well.
I generally enjoy playing this reset league.
It's by no balance changes.
It was more enjoyable than I thought it would be.
No, there's no hate rant.
I enjoy PUE 2.
There is just also a lot of bad in the game
that can be improved.
I can't give you a playback, play less than me.
You enjoying it to play all stream?
I don't play a lot of games all stream anymore.
I'm addicted to treatment.
What can I do?
Anyway, let's start.
Okay, I'm a genuine QE2 enjoyer.
This is just my honest feedback.
I really enjoyed the first week of 0.55.
I'm a genuine, like, I'm not joking, I do, wait, I do like QE2.
I think it is in a good spot, but it can be improved.
We got to start with the campaign first though.
Let's see, I guess part one, part one campaign.
Let's just start from this beginning campaign.
My honest thoughts of campaign right now.
thoughts the first wait my bad the first playthrough is generally really enjoyable I
think we all agree the first time to pose you can't paint I thought it was
pretty enjoyable I had a lot of fun doing the first time play through
personally 0.1 a lot of fun doing it no you guys enjoy your first time in
campaign I enjoyed it I generally enjoyed it 0.1 my first time in
campaign. I thought it was fun. I think the first time was fun. Like I wasn't like full
on though, you know, super speed run, try hard Russian just enjoying it and just doing
every false for first time blind. It was fun. I liked it as a first time. Issue is
Second time and hours is honestly kind of bad.
You are punished for trying to go fast, which is just not fun.
Except for knockdown.
Doing campaigners only, you know, I generally dislike it.
I do not like redoing campaign anywhere.
It's just like, because you're just, you really should have punished for trying
to go fast. And it's like, why are we implying for trying to finish the campaign already like
20 times already, you know? That's a dumb message for bad dumb messages. I do look at
looks like all the other things. Yeah, it's wanting to sprint.
Let's do this.
Sprint knockdown.
Lack of EXP. Even if I kill every mob on my way. I'm always
behind on levels. Feels bad.
In comparison in TOE 1, I have to intentionally skip mobs or IO level.
Does she make a twink lower to go more than her least art? Okay, that's probably a sushi issue.
Yeah, I don't, EXP for me, as someone who has done campaign quite a bit of time, so I'm not a speed runner, but
But EXP feels really, really bad in campaign.
You feel it really rough in like act three, act four,
I feel like, but EXP just gets really, really bad.
I don't know why.
It gets like really, I don't even know if you lay out.
I get lost in half my layouts.
Yeah, I don't like how you have punters
for trying to go fast in campaign,
like the whole sprint knockdown.
It's just like, I beat the campaign once
and the first time I put it, there was no sprint.
Regular dodge roll, it was 0.1 launch and I enjoyed it.
But like from then onwards,
you know, I just want to rush campaign, right?
I have no reason to take the campaign solely again
because I already did the campaign, right?
But it's like why punish players for trying to go fast?
I don't understand.
Also, I guess for this as well, three, dodge. Dodge rule meta fuels horrendous. Attack dodge
rule is the basic gameplay for almost every class in the early campaign. This also feels
bad where like every build early game you're playing both right this is your
gameplay you attack dodge attack dodge we don't have any the dodge with this
sense and it feels horrendous that's like every class plays like that you
know attack dodge will attack dodge will attack dodge will for starter
skills on some classes are extremely bad in Act 1 to the point where auto-attack is the
optimal gameplay from level 1 to 5.
This is also stupid, like almost every class can have auto-attack be the optimal solution
Hello, 1 to 5.
Monk is one of them.
Dead Eye.
Dead Eye, a bow attack.
The monster is moving too much.
You can't use lane hour or lane rod.
They use Dead Eye, a bow attack
because lane hour has 90% of attacks on the player.
It gives you the same for crossbows.
Like, everyone fights like, for example, like,
you know, for example,
it's pretty much optimal
on the Miller to only use auto attack.
This is like truth, like almost every class
because it starts until you get just bad.
You know, if you fight Miller, you use auto attack,
which I feel like it's just wrong.
Yeah, fragmentation rounds and crossbows is so horrendous.
Frag rounds on Marauder, just really bad.
Unless you take, what's the freeze thing?
These are just bad skills by themselves that do not function unless you hit your combo part.
So they shouldn't be a skill you get at level one is pretty much what I'm trying to say here.
Permafrost bolts.
Unless you take permafrost bolts.
It's horrendous by itself and you get it at level one.
Merck, yeah.
Yeah, I'll add Merck, I'll add Merck, I'll add Rotor.
Ranger, our Ranger for some reason,
this skill is just lower DPS than Bell Attack,
once you combo with Rods, so it's optimal early on
to use a lot of Bell Attack.
50% shown Act 1. Yes, another thing, I guess.
Print knockdown, 50% shown in Act 1. This feels like shit.
chill should not be 50% an act one. Everybody's just frostbomb early, yeah. But that's more,
I don't, those using frostbomb early is not a problem in my opinion. I think that's fine
because it promotes, I think that's a healthy combo gameplay, like you press frostbomb and
you're making the target take more damage and it's very simple. I don't mind that.
My issue is is when I'm like I'm using basic attack over my regular skills or
stuff that makes a gameplay feel bad. That's like this stuff.
Yeah. Your angle. How's warrior act one? Do you auto attack a lot on warrior
I mean I remember auto-attacking a lot of warrior act one. That's how you play right? It's a way to save an issue
I'm your auto-attacking a lot of warrior act one
I guess I'll Amazon
Huntress
Well, well in slash on Huntress literally useless by itself.
But it's the first skill you get and has no really use unless you a tornado.
I think it would actually do a lot.
Maybe every question to skills level one, like imagine if that I got like LA Rosalva
level 1, if Murka fragmentation rounds an ice bolt level 1, F1 just got like twisters
and like, we're on slash level 1, because these skills literally do not function by themselves
level 1 besides like lane arrow. Like fragmentation rounds by itself is literally not a functional
skill, it does not work by itself. But they give you a level 1, so it doesn't
make sense. Like, it's, I'm not, I'm not exactly going to say fragmentation rounds
is legit not a functional skill by itself, but it's the first skill you're going
for some reason.
Oh yeah, Monk also gets a... Monk gets... What is it?
Fallen Thunder?
Like, this skill literally does not work by itself, but it's the first skill you can
get at Monk.
It doesn't make sense.
I don't want to stand the thought process or reason behind this.
really is completely useless by itself. Why does Monk get this? Over a real skill.
I think a new plane is trying to chase around the miller.
Turkey the step attack too, and that's Spark early.
Well, at least a Swark step attack feels like a real spell.
Oh, that was much.
Then my issue here, I'm going to explain it here.
My main issue here.
These skills outside of LA just simply do not function by themselves.
The first skill you get should just work.
Why are we tricking noobs?
I said I said I was just tricking noobs.
These skills only function if you take the exact correct skill as your second gem voice.
Warriors aren't rolling slam.
Oh yeah, warrior too.
Warrior, wait, rolling slam.
It's fair to say right, optimal to auto attack over using this skill on single target.
Yeah, I think my solution, my solution, give people two skills from the start, get some
used to combo gameplay and it makes these skills actually functional. Like if you had a whirlwind
slash twist in a hundredth of a one, it would feel fine. But like you just have one on a slash,
then you have to precisely choose twisters after. If you don't choose twisters and whirlwind
such as nothing. Same on fragmentation round, same on fall and thunder.
Yeah, so your cog, what was that about?
Try putting it in normally and make sure it's active on both sets.
Okay, I'll try that real quick.
All right, I have one.
I mean, it's definitely in there.
Now it's not working.
It's just bugged.
It's just bugged, dude.
All right.
Alright, back to the feedback.
Alright, what am I missing here?
Yeah, sprint knockdown feels really, really bad.
punish. Just punish for trying to go fast. Feels bad.
You're saying chill and act when it feels bad. Lack of exp
dodge when it feels bad. Starters go to some class that
actually bad. He's going over all that. It's all shit.
What else in campaign is actually bad? Like, not do you
don't like it? What's what's actually bad?
I
Yeah, two high levels. Yeah
Some skills require way too high of a level the max being level 52. This is just simply way too high. I
I generally enjoy leveling a new character when I can play the build in campaign.
Unfortunately, that's not the case for a lot of skills.
I think we all just went through this.
Flame blast, you literally cannot play until 52,
which makes no sense.
Well, 52, my opinion, the latest you should get a skill
The latest you should get a skill is maybe early at 3 level 9 skill jumps, that's level 31 by the time you get level 32, you are already in interludes and the campaign is over.
over. What are you saying? Are you a light radius? Oh, we can talk about a light radius,
dude. Base player in this game is so horrendous. Yeah, I still just require way too high level
and I don't understand because it's not true. In peddux 01, the latest you get a skill,
the active skill. I'm not a support job. He's a little 31. There's no 38 skills in
PE right? I think it's a little 31. But 34 not 34. Just go along with 34. Yeah, 34 is
the latest you get a skill done in PE one and a little 34 in PE one is like it's act
four and it's 10 acts. So it's only like 40% the way through. I also think it'd
on your screen and CC by nine and Larry doesn't see it. Yeah.
Now 38 is only for support jobs and pathos on one 34 is the latest active skill gem.
Yeah, 52 just way too late. Like
and they look a ton of good skills at 52.
You can go on the list, right? Plasma blasts, light and conduit, flicker strike,
cluster grenades, eye of winter, gather storm, salvo.
All these are like legitimate skills you can play
Winsepar and fury spiral volley, but you like you can't level us them. You don't get until the end of campaign
policy flame blast. We just like that
It's just like way too late and even these these are like what 45 I believe
45 is a
mid act for
Yeah, it's just like way too late. I haven't seen a reason for it, right? Like, what is
the reason? I'm not allowed to play skills until 82, you know? 6x1.0 doesn't change it,
That means you won't get a skull to act five,
which is also not that much better.
Map boss, we'll get to the map stuff earlier.
What we're doing, we're doing campaign.
This is part one and campaign.
All right. What else are we missing here?
This is really my overall thoughts of PE2. Something I have not done. I've only done like end game feedback
More movement skills I can talk about movement skills. It's kind of like put this print stuff
But it's more like an overall general gameplay
You'll also have to be playable in the entire campaign. I think it should be yes
This should not be I think what poxa is also very true
QE2 should be more new player friendly and skills at a baseline should just function.
You should not need like any game uniques, support, combo, set up, so make a skill functional.
It should just work in campaign.
I don't mind after your comments at all personally.
I think it's, I think it's fine. I really haven't had like an issue.
The true farmer quit. Yeah.
It's good. Like some years better than other with attributes, like,
I don't know. I never had really an issue with attributes and campaign.
I'm most only one piece of attributes and it's fine.
respect gold cost too high you think so I had no issue at respect and I respect like
a whole character in campaign this league that's not an issue for me oh yeah gem supports
to two rare that is one thing to do here with gem slash supports are way too rare in campaign
feels punished feels like you're punished for trying to experiment because you simply can't
I've been clearing out this since like 0.1.
You simply do not have enough supports in campaign to experiment.
Like you just don't.
I like sometimes I completed interludes without having enough like supports for my entire build.
I think it's still the case.
You just don't have enough support gems.
Active skill gems, I feel like you kind of have enough.
But you can't really try to find skill gems all that much because all like three links baseline anyway.
Support gems though.
Yeah, you're not you don't have enough support just a lot of times
What's on issue one used by support as an defender
Would be more fine for players if lower
Would just be common or
something that you can buy from a vendor. I mean like I think a good solution could be like
level three and below support gems should be viable from a vendor and a level four and five
can be like drop only. So they can solve that drop only support gems, make like a level three and
and below like actually viable level three and below should just be viable.
Move into here and make a little four and a little five.
Double money.
If you really just don't have enough support jobs, like you can't
you can't experiment in the campaign.
You just don't drop enough, which was bad.
The recommended supports are bad, but that's like, I don't know, it's a GG thing.
Yeah, I mean, recognition in every game is kind of bad.
I just don't like how supports are too rare.
I feel like a big appeal of Path of Exile is the whole fact of experimentation and customization
of your build.
It's a big appeal.
It's like a lot of people say like, oh, you can use so much cool stuff for your build.
But if you're a new player, you literally cannot experiment and it's just like, it
feels bad.
Even if for me it feels bad.
It's like I can't even experiment in campaign and I don't want to support jumps.
I have to follow my one designated guide.
Yeah. Yeah, if you're a new player, don't follow the guide, you can get fucked.
Gearing and campaign. My issue with gear and campaign is more so act one, where it's very
inconsistent and it doesn't mean a high, a high run of low rolls legit to ex-damage.
It's actually insane.
He went into it's damage.
The early gear in campaign is very orangey.
Early gear in campaign, namely Act 1 and somewhat Act 2.
is way to, what's the proper word here?
Not a ring, way too much variance
as way too much variance.
The difference between good RNG and bad RNG
can be up to 3x more DPS,
which just makes campaign really inconsistent and also can make it frustrating knowing you're
Don't stop 3x lower. That's bad RNG.
MPLE 1. I feel like MPLE 1, the max difference in it's pretty rare is at most like 50 to
70% more damage. MPLE 1 is really good since it's nowadays, especially gold gambling.
Yeah, MPLE 2. Dude, in MPLE 2, the difference is you can get like a rare weapon, like
let's say this, you kill Rusking, you get a rare weapon, you get 3x flat, you go
to the cemetery you get a flat iron ring you transfer your flat on that for someone who gets a
magic weapon with one flat on prefix gets a matter ring in cemetery it's legit like 2.5 times more
damage it's like a different game it's like it's so massive and it feels really bad when you get
at RNG. I think it's like it's also it's ARPG, right? It's good to have variance, but the variance is
way too high. It's so massive. It slows down in like Act 2, Act 3. I feel like by Act 4,
generally by Act 3, Act 4, everyone has roughly the same damage of like good RNG.
Maybe like 50% more damage here and there, but it's not that bad by Act 4.
But Act 1, Act 2, there can be some really, really high variance.
The semi-term ringing and drop choice, that would be nice.
Alk's all rare, yeah.
I'm not really sure what the fix is to this, Alk's just adjusting question words or improving
current drafts and campaign. There's a lot they can do. Looks like they'll leave mechanics,
maybe. A white base from Red Vail. Yeah, getting a white base from Red Vail is pretty
unintuitive, I feel like. And if you don't get a white base from Red Vail, you can
like dismiss all of this damage. I mean it's not a big issue for new players because
they can just buy a weapon from vendor. Like if you kill Rusking, you're level five, you
can just go to town and just buy a white weapon from vendor and you're fine. It's not a big
deal, I guess. Yeah, I look at it from both perspectives. Obviously, we're more of the
try-hard, sweaty fucks and also the casual players. For a casual player, they do just
buy a heavy weapon over here from a vendor and that's fine. And they can get a,
know, just play like that.
Goal 3-3 stronger, that's gonna be an end game issue.
We're still in campaign here, right?
We're not done in campaign.
Anything else we need for campaign?
Light radius? That's like a general end game thing.
Oh, caster leveling. Yeah, we can all cast a leveling.
I do want to put a light radius somewhere. I just don't know if I can put light radius in campaign.
Caster leveling.
What are you sort of cash to that one dude?
Holy dude.
Yeah, I'm going to throw a light release here real quick.
Light release is generally just way too small in this game.
You can see stuff on your screen before it shows up on your minimap,
which just makes no sense.
Ice radius needs to be bulked by 50 percent at default there.
Yeah, Caster leveling.
Where do we start our Caster leveling?
I tried a lot of Caster setups.
Everything feels like dog shit unless you go plant or EDC.
Even then it doesn't feel that good.
It's just good for clear and shape of bosses.
Caster leveling is so bad.
I still love one is one of the worst experiences.
I've had in the air PG unless you specifically do plants or EDC.
Infusions have to go.
They are just a horrendous band aid mechanic
Spellcasters, they should just be baked in.
I think all the issues and infusions.
You cannot even generate
enough infusions
and it feels extremely clunky
We even try in Act 1 slash Act 2.
And Fusion is like, I don't know if who here is a lot of caster.
Try actively doing and using a Fusion in Act 1 and it feels so bad.
The only way to get frost in Fusion is a frost bomb that has a 5 second cooldown
and a 4 second delay of exploding.
It is actually so bad.
It doesn't function.
You ain't get one infusion out of that one wait nine seconds
And then I tell you they have without you have to pick it up
Did infusion act one and is in act two
If using general just bad to be honest
Currently, the solution that everyone uses is just to automate or semi-automate a fusion
by end game and they are just extremely wonky and unwarded in campaign.
Cross infusion, for example, the only way to get cross infusion early on is frost bomb,
which feels like shit when the skill has a CD and a massive delay.
It's simply just not fun.
So, it's probably just fun though.
Auto-Jetting a fuse could be nice.
I just don't think a fuse is an it.
I don't, who asked for a fusion spell cast in the first place?
All right, I just don't feel like a fusion's or good.
Relatively rabbit, you know, Link's in a raid, you shoulda.
but
Prime is it was complicated or campaign?
What are the campaign right now?
Right, I might have missed anything else.
For campaign.
That's all going well, yeah.
Mango, you have anything to add as a campaign enjoyer?
I'll get our tricks on for the end game.
They put it on the end game.
You have Ango.
Yeah, I can't even enjoy you.
Get in call.
Yeah, I'll call up.
Ango.
This guy loves campaign.
What's up, yo, what's going on, man?
I will, I definitely wouldn't say enjoyer.
Yes.
I was a big campaign enjoyer.
You're something that's running campaign.
I would say hundreds of times at this point easily.
Correct?
Yeah, easily.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what, what is for you, not as a speed runner, but what is the stuff you just
I don't like about campaign.
I mean I think, I really hate the light radius thing.
Yeah, I agree with that.
When I play BE1 versus BE2, just something can be on your screen in 69, and your light
radius won't even pick it up, so you can like walk past stuff like the cemetery entrances
or railwood, points of interest very easily.
Yeah.
Light radius sucks.
It sucks in in-game too.
I mean, I agree with a lot of things. Just like a lot of skills just like suck
And they're like a lot of the recommended support gems like if you take them you just your campaign time is gonna be literally two times three times longer
Yo, you're like a new player not following a build. You're just absolutely gonna get wrecked
warrior specific I hate how like I'm encouraged to like not upgrade my weapon because I do too
much damage to actually use my clear skill oh yeah that is a warrior issue that's been
the thing and that's after like the only thing that can fix it so long you're not one shotting
is a support gem which is at least a recommended one but you're already so tight on support
I mean, if I put it on, I can't play my build anymore is really sick as a pretty sick war issue only you got a main duelist next patch.
Oh yeah, I'm not touching maces.
Are you kidding me?
I really hate the total attack time.
At least they're like going to make that scalable in the future.
I really hate the total attack time at least they're like gonna make that scalable in the
future like
Yeah
Yeah
Bored youth my pocket
First place is really enjoyable. Yeah, generally. I'm not alone in this
I generally enjoyed my first play through to better Excel to campaign zero point one launch
I did enjoy it me except with both I did enjoy it
It was a lot of fun. Yeah the first time it was a lot of fun and then I think it's gotten worse every single time I've played
True. Then 0.2 happened
I don't know I played Warriors or 0.2 as Jill. This guy said I hated until he stopped to boost
You used to read him that was a one shot of every pause. I enjoyed it
I mean, like the lack of support
gems is really bad. Yeah, I think,
I think 055 because we went back to
the leak mechanic rewards of 033.
There's like three level three support
gems you can get in all of act 3.
And that's it.
This guy wants to know how is it
possible to get back to the leak
mechanic rewards of 033.
This guy wants to know how is how is better weapon equals worse clear how's
warrior broken like that? Did she explain it? So warrior like the only leveling
you build you can do in a warrior is rolling slam. The only skill you that's
playable is rolling slam bone chatter auto attack but if you do too much stun
build up on your rolling slam and if you either kill or a heavy stun on your
first rolling slam you're you can't bone chatter and then your clear is
worse you can't kill anything. So you have to like always like manage that
finally you have to do enough damage but not too much damage the entire time you
play like a lot of the time you like I just don't level up so I'll be like
sitting on extra passive skills if I get a good weapon and then if I get a good
weapon after I've leveled up because I had a bad weapon earlier I can't use it.
And then one way to revenge is to support John. But if you do too much damage and
you know, you have to, like,
not level up your rolling slam as well.
Like that for a long time, like 0.1 to 0.4 or 0.3.
Like, if you put any, if you equipped a grade O camera
and you had leveled up more than, like, the millikill,
you couldn't use it until, like, Cemetery.
That's pizza.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
you couldn't use it until like cemetery. That's pretty sick. And now like selling it doesn't roll like
also like if your weapon rolls like increased on build up as a suffix it's unplayable you can't
touch it. That's also pretty sick. Craft invention campaign. Craft invention. You know when they
They originally talked about Buoy too. They mentioned vendor recipes, but we don't have any
Yeah, it's too complicated for new players
You know I do feel like having some of these vendor recipes or craft events would help a lot
Could impede one for example for those unaware
there is
vendor recipes you can do like you vendor a belt and a weapon and you can get a
a weapon back that has guaranteed percent this and stuff like that.
This really smooths out the campaign.
It's also better recipes for a plus one skill gem as well.
But I think nowadays that's a much quality.
But yeah, anyway, it's better recipes that can help you out.
You can guarantee like an ox ammo,
you can guarantee resistance rings.
Resistance rings and it's like stuff that can help you out through campaign,
just having a guaranteed way to like fix your resist or fix some of your damage,
stuff like that.
And the creative bench adds on top of that, where you can craft one athix onto every piece of gear that's all one.
That can be like a damage stat, a defense stat, and just overall, let's just out your build, that you have enough life, resist, and damage.
It makes every camping a lot more smooth and easier to transition to maps.
I think right now, if you don't play Smith the Catawba, it's actually like horrible trying
to get your resist crafted or your resist capped.
You just have to like permanently look at every piece of gear and swapping out like
one piece can just fuck you.
I've never been resist capped entering maps in this game.
I think Smith I've always like so I only play Smith my playing game and I'm always
resistance capped by second trial, if not sooner.
Yeah, I've never been with this cap entry maps in this game
But once something good game, I'm gonna check it out. Yeah about that I
Generally do like you to right now where there's a lot of sudden see fixed
Even trials, I think trials are fine in campaign. I
I don't like trials in any game. I think the whole 30 way ultimatum or having to do four
sanctum floors is way too much for uberlab. I just pay for this because I just don't want
to deal with this shit. I want to spend like 30 minutes of my time to do this.
Well imagine in PE1 if you had to do normal lab and then to get your uberlab you had
to do normal lab, gruelab, merc lab, uberlab.
Yeah, exactly. That's the issue. It's just too long.
uber lab was just a fourth floor of sanctum or something but okay that's fine i'll do it
you haven't done a third trial on like three leaves yeah i'm not doing it like you get like
seriously before mass right if you would let's say properly play the game the way gg intends
you to do it you do sanctum act 2 trial chaos act 3 and then eventually you do your sanctum again
All three floors before I drew maps and it's like
That's like a little bit too much like three floors is sanctum to get a third lab
And then you get to do four more
Yeah for your last lab
A quick snapshot of your grids with upgrade visuals green for upgrade and right for downgrade. No, we don't need that
It's just yeah, I don't know
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
Do we players can't read enough as this?
Green hour, good.
But it's just the level of four.
We don't need that.
People should think of what is a gear upgrade.
That is not a bad thing.
If you draw a piece of gear and it has stats on it,
you should need to compare it and decide,
okay, is this upgrade for my character?
It should not be like green upgrade, green hour, good.
There should be decision making there.
gearing is pretty bad, but you have the early gear.
Oh, essence is really much like,
compared to like BE1 right now,
like essence is such a dumb.
Essence, steel, really midding, they're like the level eight role,
and then it's the level 36, 33 role of damage here.
And then like enact two essences like damage,
essences are basically completely useless.
Yeah, if you even get if you even see them because there's no guaranteed damage essences. We only have the guaranteed
installation in mod on mine and then the guaranteed enhancement in
Value of the Titans nuts in campaign
Maybe it was like an upgrade for essence it's all up here for essence in this game like poem one
Was like yeah, the first year. I don't
I can try right now.
But you can't do that one until Reforged Bench anyway.
But you can.
Oh, you can't do that one.
But that's not until Reforged Bench is active anyway.
Yeah.
But like also, like the fact that there's such a big gap between like the item rolls,
like having a level 8 roll on damage versus a level 16 is just enormously different.
As soon as Uggren S does not work though until you're Reforged Bench,
I don't know how this works.
else is paid a win. It's just paid a win. I mean there is paid a win already in Act 1.
There's the fender who can like identify all in your hideout.
But that works in Act 1. Yeah. Before you...
There works some PE1 too. There's paid a win. Oh yeah, you sure it works? I swear that doesn't work.
Except they fixed it now because you can just identify all on PE1 but like yeah, there's paid a win.
That works in PE too, you sure? Yeah. This guy right here, right? I have him.
He's going to another guy. Hey, you're identifying all the guy works.
I swear he does not work, level one. He works?
I would never use it, but like
I want to see it real quick
It's not faster, but
This is important
Jude's past all of one class
If you get the right beach layout, you can enter town in like 59 seconds
You monk guys, I'm not
I'm not sure if he can.
Vendors are also terrible.
The vendor inconsistency feels really bad.
It feels really bad on a lot of classes that Runley doesn't always sell a level 1 white
weapon base of every type, so you sometimes have to wait until after Reddail to use the
skills you want to play.
I wish Renly would at least like just give you one free weapon of each type based just so
you could like play the skills you want to play right away.
So what's the uh what's the combo here for Act 100?
Full charge volcano.
You can add them into the bottom left of the arena so you can like do the log roll
skip. And then like ideally you get like shock on first hit.
You just launch guys. Yup. Log in.
It's a full charge. Oh there it is. It's four stacks.
What is the age of nights? Yeah.
I was the last player.
How do you bear a huddling?
I don't know. What do you do?
You just repeat vol- next stack volcano.
And then like if you want to, you try to go for like a shock.
But like they're out of-
Druid is the only class where you actually use both skills.
Like the staff auto and the volcano.
Wait, that's insane.
I just want to see this ID.
also like the sometimes Miller gives you like three flasks in zero gold and you
just got fucked and then sometimes he gives you like a unique it's pretty sick
wait I can ID yeah that's better one wait this is Peter win what I can ID yeah
and I can sell your items for more gold and keep your wisdoms you don't
start.
It's a fresh account, one gold.
That's actually pay to win.
Holy, I should have done that this league.
If you got one of the game, yeah, essence, essence, essence, essence from really mid-campaign.
Tears are too low to be useful.
I would say it may also be hard to use sometimes because it has to be a regal and also be kind
of rough to use since it's magic only.
You don't get perfect a sense in campaign.
At least I've never seen a perfect essence in campaign.
I don't know if it's possible or not.
Maybe it's possible in a campaign.
I have never seen a perfect campaign.
I think you can get graders like interludes.
Yeah.
I personally almost never get to use more than one essence
in a campaign run.
Relative to that, in PVE 1, PVE 1,
you can slam on essence of everything.
We just find essence of season.
I use essence all the time in PVE 1.
Is it an alpha or an essence?
I throw it on immediately.
Yeah.
Essence of Pokemon and Alchemy Orbs.
It's way easier to use.
Like even a bad essence on like,
if you get like spell damage,
you can still slap it on your weapon.
You get like accuracy and P we won't do it.
I mean, it's just like, well,
I'm just never touching that, I guess.
Yeah, I was gonna have an accuracy later.
Aggressive and weapon when prefixed,
it's just like, I don't know what's going on here.
Aggressive has been useless for two years,
has not been a relevant stat ever.
It's stuff like about hundreds of sentencing, whatever.
And it's just like it's completely useless stat.
I don't know what a single build like it's actually on the build outside of the accuracy like 100 stacker. That's a
No, I don't even pick up a resolution technique anymore because like of the node
Yeah, yeah, they nerf accuracy staggers this useless all around
Oh, I'm pretty good as well vendor to inconsistent what you're saying
But also with a flask a lot of times I've been to the vendor and doesn't install a single life flask
And that feels really bad cuz my life must be like 20 levels under and I can't even like upgrade it
That's having a few things in your campaign. Yeah, there's no like guaranteed greater life flask anywhere
Just pretty sick
Dude
And like the difference between a greater life flask in manner versus the medium is like you just die
Yeah, classical like the biggest defense and campaign.
Very commonly, you can go to town and see a vendor with no life glass.
Same for base weapon types,
especially as we work classes it looks like it must up for you so what should
be changeable dude they've been how I crush words not changeable yet they
don't want to do it play two years and they have not done it once yet I don't
have the ever to change at this point I don't believe it just like
temporarily let you talk to the vendor and change the reward like that's
last one. Right? Like you just clicked the other one. It's
really it's really cool that it's not changeable yet.
People want to play with different weapons.
the lake base of each.
All right.
I think it can be expanded early on, it's rare gear.
Oh yeah, you can't buy rare items without like,
selling gear on your character most of the time.
I don't think that's like a problem
for like a normal player though.
It's probably like a speedrun problem.
Yeah, I don't think,
I don't think it's that big of an issue either.
You can buy magic items,
rare gear you can buy like Act 2.
Act 1, you can only buy rare gear,
I guess it's maybe an issue like it doesn't make sense if the vendor is so rare you can't find that one
but
Very small issue. I like that magic items are like
100 to like 400 gold
On first vendor and you almost never have that much unless you drop the unique. Yeah, we don't want to vendor
I'm pretty sure they tend to know how to vendor first time but I mean if that's like a tensionless. I don't mind that
like whatever
more so like yeah you should have bought your base weapon type from every vendor every time
it's just that like Renly doesn't guarantee a white level one base of every item yeah yeah
sometimes even then you can't buy it if you get like a bad miller kill
all right i think that's it for campaign
Death recap would be nice. I mean they know about death recap. We all want death recap, but that's like, you know, Gigi never gonna get around to doing it.
Wait, actually was that death recap in the Delosho case?
Yeah, it is coming actually. Yeah, it is coming. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, definitely get this coming.
Anything else you want to add among us?
I mean, that's all I could think of, really.
I think everything else is pretty accurate, though.
Alright, thanks for calling.
I'll just rest of this.
Are you going to play Valheim at some point?
Yeah, for sure.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
We finished campaign.
It's time to go on to any game.
Part two.
Ending game.
Blind, perma death, and Valhiem.
There is also, I guess, a part three.
What should be like overall issues, I guess?
Let's see on game first.
Where do I start with any game? I want to start any game before we get to Tarzan cities,
more so the start of any game. When you enter maps, my big issue right now when you enter
maps. Let me go to home here. Is that your shit up boss rushing and doing anything else
in a map is completely trolling for your first like 100 maps. Like you should not do any
melee mechanic. You should skip every abyss. You just skip every breach. You skip literally
everything. Do not come most of the map. It's just boss rush, boss rush, boss rush
until you complete your Atlas. Then and to give you Atlas, you are allowed to actually
do the map. Doing anything with that is shown.
Apparently in period one, also you do ball thrush a lot in
pole one too, but in pole one you only like 30
Alice points before you like start doing the mechanics where it's like
worth doing. Like if you pick up Essence early on
you can do every single Essence in a map. If you pick up
uh June in pole one you can do June every single map from like white
maps. In this game like you cannot do
any mechanic until your Atlas is done because it's it's just like reaching yourself like you just
know reason to do a bit of this because you can't do a bit of this also do the best point but
you're never going to do a best point before doing your Atlas points that was more important
so it should have boss rush boss rush boss rush.
Yeah it's someone's base shoes on the Atlas that like clearing a map is just back you're
This is on so many multipliers. Magic pack size, rarity, rare monsters, rare monsters
duplicate, additional rare modifiers, effectiveness or pack size or rarity. There's so many multipliers
where it's literally just trolling to do anything but boss rush until your Alice is
done. Yeah, you can't even make your tablets rare yet. So you shouldn't even like use them.
What's about that first one?
start of end game is pretty bad.
Pretty much the most optimal way to play.
It should just boss rush for a pressure plus maps and doing anything else in the map is just griefing yourself.
reason to do stuff like this or breach when you have zero points in the skill tree. And
you also can't or you also don't want to rush those mechanics because the base Atlas
Multiplier to LUDE is just massive.
The only direct way to play is just
to rush Arpiter of Divinity twice.
And then you can start doing what you want.
If Fortress is done, let's go to early farm, now let's just go to a point list, that's
not big, that's not big as right now where it's really just ball fresh gameplay for so
many maps and it's like, I feel like it shouldn't be like that, I feel like when
you enter maps it should be fine to like full clear like to kill all the
rares and a map or something go next but right now if you do that you're
literally just trolling if you don't have any of the multipliers to do and
you're just pulling yourself actually you like you're actually hindering
yourself you full clear maps we enter maps
No, I thought the giant maps were an issue.
Yeah, you also, perhaps, you also only have two more tablets at most, which is saying
you shouldn't use the element until your analyst is done.
Atlas feels this Atlas tree.
You unlock 200 plus points at once.
Now the decisions really yield impactful.
You have moves have something like 18% effects.
There's 10% majority.
It's not a very impactful or meaningful decision.
Yeah, let's treat, I'll let you use a lot of juice at baseline.
Not early for the prefix, that's true.
So, I think that's a good idea.
So, I think that's a good idea.
I think that's a good idea.
Yes sir, all students, you have a lot of students.
Yeah, this is where our tax is, it's true.
Yeah, my big issue right now is that like with the Alice,
it's very impactful.
Having a full entry is insanely impactful,
but it almost feels meaningless
because you just unlock everything instantly now.
You go from like 50 outlets points to literally 300
off one kill, and then you have everything unlocked.
And it feels like, what's kind of the point?
Like what's the point of having all these passive points
if I just unlock all them instantly anyway?
And just like no sooner make them.
So, oh, just click everything I know.
Like, I don't know who are watching on Leastart,
but on Leastart I literally spent like 10 minutes
clicking 250 outlets points.
I was literally just there clicking every single point.
I was like, what is this?
If that felt so weird, you all did it too, right?
You did your second Arbiter kill, you got 250 Alice points and you spend the next 10
minutes just clicking every single small node.
It's like, it doesn't really feel meaningful at all.
Yeah, it does not feel meaningful.
Yeah, I think it needs to be like more decision and all history to make it more customizable
for yourself.
And also, I don't know how to fix like the whole three different points at once now.
I don't, I'm not really sure what they're planning for.
This feels unimpactful.
I said that's not a bad idea, but they want to do quest lines.
I think it would be cool if we could start unlocking mechanic points with tablets that
So a designated area.
So use it when a this tablet will give you one at this point.
But maybe need to do the final boss to unlock the last six
points or something.
I think a compromise like that could be nice.
That sounds like a pretty good idea.
But yeah, right now it's just not worth doing the mechanics
And while doing your Alice, it's literally just not worth it.
And you have to skip them all.
Currently, you just skip every lead mechanic
until you can go to the designated mechanic area.
This will even get worse as more mechanics are added over time.
I don't know why I'm taking both of this league now, I'm probably down to it today, and I find
it fun in PE too, but it's just that the same balance patch is a really big Vibe killer.
It's just like, the other thing I can play is cancel and crit Comet, or I can just
Okay, same bill I played last week, you know.
I was going to do a hero stage blood pack, it could be fun, but it kind of sucks though.
Alright, I throw an end game.
Yeah, sort of end game is pretty bad, you just fall for it the whole time, you can't
the mechanics. The tree does not feel that impactful anymore or never really did it in the first place.
You unlock every single point at once. The only decision to make on the skill tree is like,
do I want 15% effectiveness or 10% rarity? It's really not that much of a decision, right?
It's not really customizing all that much here. These are kind of nice. Yeah,
Yeah, rogue exile, like essence, I guess.
Did you say anything about balance 1.0?
They're doing a massive balance balance 1.0.
They said.
Well, yeah, yeah.
Let's talk about
everyone's favorite.
Overall, this is going to be my most
negative part of the feedback.
Current
is just extremely tedious
and just not going at all.
I don't like cities. These are just towers. Cities are just towers. 2.0. There is no difference.
All you're doing is unused boss thrust maps until you find a city and then you can play the game how you want.
It's kind of even worse in some ways because cities all have the exact same layout, so
So if you don't like the layouts, you're much forced.
You lose.
Go ahead, Yanni, or just hit yourself.
All right, I do that for that reason.
I form expeditions.
I don't need to form cities.
Oh, J.R.J. though.
I bet.
Why is the top 100 d4 racer not at BlizzCon today?
Yeah, in my eyes, cities are pretty much just towers.
There really is no big reference here just to get on the Alice for cities, then you
can play the game.
I don't really know why they did cities.
I played the game so much more enjoy with the cities.
I would vastly,
I would vastly enjoy the game more
if cities just did not exist.
There is no reason to have bonuses on cities.
The thing is they already have an incentive
Or you already have incentive due cities because of their valuable fragments.
They didn't need another push with four tablets.
That's tablet effects just as big.
You're 17th.
Uh, they also work
very nicely with other
league mechanic setups.
Stuff like
Head of the Nameless King
and the William Grand Mears.
After time your city
city doesn't even get half of your grand near from Delhi, which is a
miserable experience because then you have to find another grand mirror. It's
just not a fun experience.
Yeah, once you've been in 20, then out of league.
Yeah.
I don't even mind the red maps.
I'll be honest.
I truthfully don't mind the red maps anymore.
The red maps, they improved a lot of maps.
A lot of the bad maps aren't that bad anymore.
This being forced to find cities is a big
The city's should just be removed by city bonuses.
This will just be an overall game improvement.
I really don't see any downside.
using Grandmures, that's right of the nameless.
What's the game? What's the head called?
Head? Head of the game, yeah.
But I do also display how Grandmures are not tradable.
It doesn't make sense when both of the King and the new WS mechanic are tradable.
Use the options.
and I'm not sure if I'm
sure if I'm going to be able to
use the course run daily.
Until grand mirror spawn is also
just not enjoyable experience.
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. How
much is not a good experience.
I'm making.
I'm making grand mirrors
and removing cities, you are inherently adding a lot more.
You can really add a lot more value to a boss version and do a delirium using their value.
to be fragments would be worse more because every juicer that we rush in on now.
I can't argue about
hunt cleanse areas. I mean, yeah, cleansers should also be the same issue.
I don't it's just hunting anything it sucks right I don't want to hunt some of my Alice
to juice I think that's the end of this it's like what I don't want
I don't want to go to an area before I can use of course this could make one's own
the next issue is of how much more
I just want to be able to juice
anywhere I don't mind that much.
I'm not using my layout.
But being forced to do boring travel maps before I get to play the game I want to play is just simply not fun.
That's all it comes down to. I just like if I want to choose, I should just be able to choose, right?
I shouldn't have to do like 10 travel maps, get to somewhere, advance it up and then do it.
It's just pick a map and just start to use them, you know, just play the game. I want to play it
Yeah, child master is not fun
And I think and
By removing city bonuses and making like grand mirror tradable
You are inherently making other strategies more viable because now like ball fresh for cities
It's even more profit because the juicers aren't going to boss for cities anymore
So like even like the couch like even the casual players better from this because the casual players you get more currency out of doing city
Rush now. It's like it's just a win-win for everyone.
I know sir are showing dude
I hate cities.
This gives all that different hour then I mean yeah that's that is true you are playing
an economy based game.
Yes.
It's not even given an hour.
If you're playing SSF, for example,
if you're playing SSF,
why would you use your juice tablets
or anything but a city?
It's no different SSF.
You have limited tablet supply.
You would not use your juice tablets
or anything but a city as well.
Right? So it's not just a trade issue.
It's also an SSF issue.
Like if you have like, for example,
if you're an SSF and you over time save up,
you'll plus the rerolls on your original tablets,
you would be trolling choose on anything but a city.
So it's the same ancient SSF or trade.
There's no way you're wasting on a random amount.
My point is to do some of my thoughts out there, right?
You don't care about choosing that level in SSF?
That's not true.
What do you mean?
That's just dumbed.
What?
You do care about that in SSF.
If you have plus three rule tiles in SSF, you would save them for a city.
Why would you waste them on a normal map?
What?
There's no way you would just waste on SSF.
You would literally wait.
Why would you ever waste that tile on anything but a city?
It's like it's even more important SSF because you cannot buy the tablet and those are rare tablets
It's the same for everything
You know as the pleasure is out can go in all day get you
Again as SSF you don't have to play that way like you don't have to play this game in any way sure you can use your
tablets out can go and have a good time and that can be your entire game play forever sure
whatever that's how you want to play that's how you want to play or people who actually want to
like do any game hard content juice in the max make a lot of currency like this is how you
have to play and it's just not fun in my opinion and how it always you the games
games is the most optimal way to play should also be the most fun way to play. The most
often way to play should not be some cancer, CBT torture. It should be fun to play. You
should like want to play your game in a fun, optimal way.
Yeah, it's progression. Like you should want people to eventually want to juice and do hard
content so it gives them a progression towards the league. Right, you should want them to
eventually do eight mod changes and deli maps so they have a reason to progress and gear
up their character. Like you should want that to be a thing in your game. Because
And then it gives people a goal and something to chase for.
Like, oh yeah, my character now can view troops in deadly 8 mod maps, you know, and now it's
like, you know, it's just something to aim for in the game.
It shouldn't be like this cancer setup torture.
Like, yeah, if you want to, just only you all can go, sure, right, I'm not, you can
play again how you want to play.
But I think it's very good to have incentives for people to actually push towards the character
to a higher limit.
That's what makes the ARPG fun, right?
Slowly you have to have your character do harder and harder content.
So one more map of the mentality, yeah.
PUE 2, those lack the warm map mentality that a lot of other
air produce have. Because in PUE 2 what happens, your warm map ends when your city
runs out. Like if you do a grand expedition or you do a city map and
that's your last city map, there is no warm map, you just log off, it's like,
okay I'm done for tonight. I'll do more city hunting tomorrow.
That warm, one warm map mentality does not really exist in PUE 2 because,
like, you're just not going to find another CD wall tire because yeah, I'm done.
You start every season at the enter master out there.
I don't think, you know, I think that if the Alice kind of work, I'm
not like the biggest heater in the Alice.
It's mostly just how they're designing it.
Like, I think they're just doing it wrong.
I think some of the ghosts of the infinite Alice
Other random maps that have random bonuses, but they're also like quite rare
Like like stuff like this Eric continues. Oh, no, that's not random. That's guaranteed
You know I'm talking about like a random abyssal overrun a map
Where are the other ones?
They're pretty rare the random unique maps. I think those are also pretty cool
stuff like this. Okay, I don't know why it's a force influence, random route exiles, like
those seven maps, right? Like I think those are kind of cool. They're random, like, oh yeah,
all rare monsters in essence. Like these are just rare stuff you find around the Alice.
I think this is cool. The Hentron one, yeah. We're like, they're, they're rare enough
to where you can't target them and farm them. So it's not cancer research for them.
But if you do find them, they're kind of fun and exciting. They're random wonder
and Trader, right? These are all cool. I think this is where Infinite Atlas shines the most,
where you just have a bunch of these random cool maps that you get rewarded from for just
like Explanatals. That's what they should focus on.
I think Infinite Atlas is at its worst when it's like Tower Hunting.
Are we going for cleanse zones? Yeah, I mean, that's what I put here.
here.
Clean zones would be an issue without cities, but maybe cleansers should change then, you
know.
For me at the end of the day, I just want to be able to go from map to map and do my
full juice.
And that's it.
I don't want to like hunt for a cleanse.
I don't want to hunt for a city.
I can just click on a map and I can just start choosing it.
That's it.
That's how I'm going to end game for you to be.
I don't see a reason of why they force players
to hunt for cities to juice.
What is the reason to give this massive tax on like,
or not massive tax, more so, I guess it kind of is tax.
I guess chore. Why give a chore to juice? If you want to juice, you have to do chores.
My question is why. We don't have that in P.E. 1. Other air produce don't have that.
You just juice all the time. If I play TLi, there's no chore. If I play here, it's just
no chore to juice. But one, no chore to juice. If I have this massive chore to juice,
I don't understand.
It's just not fun. It's all I'm saying. It's just not fun for me as a player. And I want
it to be fun. Is it all game and doing a list of floors low? You may be a stupid.
I don't want to say, dude, it is like, it is just a chore searching for cities.
Like there is no other way to describe it.
If I want to juice, I have to search for cities.
There is no other option.
There is no other option.
If I wanted to use the path of cell one, I just buy the map, buy the scarves and
juice.
Or if the same thing in here is the same thing in TLI,
you just do it.
If you want to juice, you just do it.
There is no chore.
In this game, you have to surface it as you want to juice.
There is like no option.
It's not available to juice on three-mode
travel maps with like the GG tablets.
I think that's good. I think that's a fun and I'm new to the game. You guys helped me a lot. Nice man
Yeah, I just want to play the game how I want to play without feeling like all this
TDM was, you know, city hunting.
Anyway, what's on the tablets next tablets?
Oh boy.
I'll make a video out of it.
Tablets.
There are so many issues with tablets.
I think tablets are probably the...
I don't know what's up with your issues.
See the tablets for me.
I feel like it tops me with the biggest issue for me.
There's so many issue with tablets.
Mark likes tablets.
Yeah, Mark also doesn't buy tablets you just group plays.
He doesn't understand the frustration experience
that we have to go through.
is so much wrong with tablets. What do I start, dude? Okay, let's talk about why tablets are bad.
I'll just list everything here. One, they are extremely tedious and annoying
to price check. This is an issue because it leads to an overall lack of supply on the market.
A ton of people just never list their tablets for sale because of how annoying it is to price check.
I bet a bunch of people have 100 plus tablets in their stash that are never going to be
traded.
That's the first issue.
Next, that's the end.
House are extremely annoying to price Jack.
Cause like there's only some modifiers are worth money
or there's only some modifiers are worth money.
It's not in combination with another modifier
and how to learn every single modifier
and every single tablet.
It's just like, it's way too much TDM.
Only being able to buy tablets
from
I guess I should not
not
Being able to buy tablets and orange
Currency exchange just sucks
You have to buy
their tablets one at a time
time because each person never has more than one tablet of what you want.
I go through dozens of load screens before I'm able to actually have all of my tablets.
It's a really unifying experience, even more so for one use tablets of this unit tablet.
If you got perfect everything, the economy will be in shambles.
Why?
What kind of argument is that?
For the average player, it's no idea how the f**k that comic works in this game, but all
the f**k they do, like, I swear everyone on Reddit is like f**king stupid, they have
no idea how the comic actually works.
I hate it so much, this is also f**king clueless.
I'm not dooming.
Guys, I'm literally giving feedback.
Can it look chat not be stupid for 10 seconds?
I literally say I enjoy TeeWee too.
I enjoy this league, but I want the game to improve.
I'm just giving my personal feedback
of stuff I do not enjoy.
And I know a lot of other people of my experience
also do not enjoy.
You are allowed to criticize a game and still enjoy it.
If because uncriticizing a game does not mean I hate PE2,
I want it to improve because I deeply care about PE.
Everything is perfect or worse, no feedback, yeah.
Passive skill tree earlier, we'll get to passive skill tree, that'll be overall.
It isn't my final P2 feedback early access, because it's not going to be early access anymore.
It's more than just Jerusalem.
Why is this auto truck not weird?
This is just exchange.
Exchange.
You don't care up here you carry your joint of the game. All right, I'll see you later, dude.
I think I care up here more than 99.9% of people here. I'm not like I literally
I'm not just like a some guy who shames the game
I literally know life PUE for years without ever shaming or making content for the game
I played this game so much I play I play like 10 times more out of you like shut the fuck up
You have no idea you're talking about you probably have no idea how the game works
I have played this game for literally seven years before even shouldn't it.
have both, across both games, no idea because I don't play on steam a lot.
I don't understand.
I care of Pee Wee so much.
I think of Pee Wee all the time.
I'll be honest.
I feel like I care more of Pee Wee than some people at GG at times because like I think
about this so much. I think on this all stream what can GG do to actually improve the game?
Because I want the game to be better. I love POE.
And a lot of the systems in the game I just do not understand why they exist.
You need to touch grass? I'm going to touch your mama, right?
I'm choosing Peewee every time dude, I'm addicted to Peewee, I love this game, I am being fair
in my own valid criticism, just my opinions about the game and some stuff I don't like
about it.
I still love the game, I just don't understand some decision making that Gigi does at all,
I watch it all, like I don't, like why are spells actually so terrible in campaign
early on unless you play like two spells you know it's like it doesn't make sense
I think what
pock said was the best like pocks wants to be addicted as well he also loves poe but
it can be hard to be addicted to the poe 2 at times and I am addicted to the poe 2 like
I had so much fun day one zero point five point five so much fun day two day three
I generally do really really enjoy like the early midi game of poe
but when I get to end game
to start buying these tablets and new city setups it just completely burns me out and it's just so
one fun.
That should every go again yeah.
I mean, I also don't think I'll see that many changes, but we'll see.
We'll see.
And then idols, I mean, idols would be better than tablets.
But I also think scares would be better than tablets.
The biggest issue with tablets is the fact that you cannot buy them from currency exchange.
That is the biggest issue.
It's always going to be a hassle.
It's always going to be tedious.
You have to go to multiple load screens
to buy all your tablets and search them for every single time
and search for multiple combination of modifiers.
It's just never going to be a good experience.
Like look at some of my tablet searches, dude.
I usually keep these hidden for myself, I'll be honest,
because I can't show everything.
And it's like I have to like do a search like this and search for tablets and it's like what is this man, you know
It's like I shouldn't have to do this to start set up my juice. It's like it's so much tedium in annoyance
It's like I don't I have so many tablets searches trade a seed because like I don't want to it's so bad
Why don't we get feedback docs? Who wants to meet a feedback doc? I'm just doing this.
I've been wanting to do this. That's all. It's my own personal reason.
All right, why doesn't it have its bad?
We're getting distracted.
Did he actually touch someone's mom?
the whole thing files. Okay, guys, here's what if a well classic announcement today.
You understand why do you like tablets? No, I do not understand why Mark likes tablets
at all. It's a reason it made no sense. I do not understand why tablets are in the game
still.
How long does that move the issue?
Way too many modifiers on tablets and way too many roll ranges also contributes to this issue.
And if you have a good three-mode tablet, you might have to go even a step beyond and
divine the tablet because it will roll.
the difference between running 3x of the same tablets with min roles and max roles is easily
over 2x salute. It's just stupidly massive. At the very least, tablets should not have
any role ranges.
It's not a big issue with tablets, even if you have your ideal theme on tablets, if everything
is mini value role, if you're not aware, you have to divine the tablet.
Because the third screen mineral and maximum scale is so massive and why do tablets have
a roll range in the first place?
I don't, like imagine a peddler saw a one, if you had to divine your scarabs, so your
scarabs had the maximums of the mineral, like imagine scarabs had a roll range of
it would just be like so cancer.
It should just like, it shouldn't have roles.
It just shouldn't.
It should just be, if your role is a modifier,
it has that modifier set value, like 10% rarity.
It's only 10% rarity.
It's not a divine sync.
It's not a divine sync.
Don't say divine sync.
What is this, two minutes ago.
Scared easter egg modifier pressed individually low number of possible strategies low variance.
High variance between different stages. What does this mean?
Huh?
This is stupid.
Low variance in strategy.
What do you mean?
This is stupid.
It tells about more strats.
You just add more scares,
have more effects and it's more strats as well.
This is just stupid.
This doesn't make any sense.
Like low number of policies strategies is the most stupidest thing I've heard.
You can just add more scarabs and add more strategies.
This has nothing to do with scarabs.
This is stupid
That's got the record as the same one's connected
Also, there's more stress in TV one and TV two so like that doesn't even help the argument
But one has scarabs.
But one has a lot of strats, it's just not all very feels good awarding though.
But one ground loot is a whole separate issue topic that we're not covering here, but one
does have more strats. These a's think you're trying to run mimax abyss shouldn't be a thing.
Yeah, that's just stupid.
At the end of the day,
it takes way too much time to buy the tablets you want,
the tablets you want, UTDS goes through multiple load screens,
and way too annoying to individually price check
every tablet you pick up.
It's overall just not a point system with the parent implementation.
I personally, if they, if they want to be different,
compare 2Q1, I would vastly just prefer a firm system like fresh idols.
I say and you know I hate tablets. I hear everything about tablets. I think fresh as
I don't know what the solution is.
I just don't want tablets.
Wait, so no one's gonna get that in a second, I guess.
Now I'm rolling just wouldn't fix some, but it'll make them better.
I guess my biggest issue on tablets is the fact that I cannot buy them from currency
exchange and having to go to each person's hideout, one by one, multiple and multiple
those screens is just really tedious and just not fun in gameplay.
scalpers. I mean, that as well. You can flip them really easily as well. I don't care what
the solution is, but at the end of the day, when I'm actually just want to choose my maps,
I don't want to like go to trade and had to set up multiple different modifiers, but
a multiple different hideouts, multiple load streams just to play the game. I just
I don't want to like, you know, oh, I just want to juice.
I don't want to just buy the juice from like orange.
Buy it real quick and just play the game, you know?
That's just what I want.
I don't want this whole like massive tedium.
I want for tablets, I want for tablets.
Yeah, I like the old ways on snacks.
I'm using essentially compound.
I don't know the perfect solution.
I just that the current implementation of tablets is not a that's all.
All the ARPGs, they all do juicing relatively.
That's similar, but in a non-nilian way, it's like here you see juicing is pretty simple.
You just buy your codecs, you buy your four or whatever thing to put them in and you're
good to go.
Torch and Infinite Juicen is like Pethox L1, you just buy your maps, buy your scarabs and
go, QE1 you just buy your maps, QE1 Juicen is pretty annoying right now because of map
rolling, but outside of map rolling it's fine, you just buy your scarabs and go.
Diablo 4 doesn't have Juicen, last Epoch, it's kind of XCD, I don't want to just
I would kind of say it's only like last epoch, it's only like Poe1, Poe2, TLi, and like here
to see if you actually have been choosing the game.
Yeah, it does have a lot of strats to do till are using so fun. They have so many strats
and it has scarabs and it's, you know,
I feel like it's paid a whim, but it's really really fun anyway when I talk to you I hear
That's my top feedback. I think it's everything I want to talk about.
The worst thing about a Po2 player is the gold cost of everything.
Well, I can't really comment on that because I don't experience it myself.
So I can't give that feedback.
I think GD can instead of in torchlight, yeah, we have to think of all air, we use one
with each other.
I'll get a craft in a second.
And I don't have a juicer though.
Lessing would use me a math rolling or a waste doing.
Overall, Bray's still rolling is mostly fine.
The mods on the waystone are not bad and feels good when you build up your character to handle
all modifiers.
issue is currently omens to roll maps. This is just not a fun process. I'm not sure why
we even have this and why it was also made worse in 0.5. Eating three omens to roll
the map over one omen.
Yeah, the whole I don't understand this. Why do we need almost full maps?
These these chaotic right like what is honestly the point of the system why is this the way we map rule?
It's just XDD kind of
And these only strong maps
These should just go, in my opinion, maybe have another way to roll maps, which just feels
bad.
I don't want to say, it just feels bad.
And music always a real master show, it's like kind of XD.
All the way to Omen's, I mean, you still have Omen's in the game.
I don't know, do we need them?
They're way too good not to use currently.
But if they're wearing the game to see your other maps, that's fine.
I don't know.
They don't feel good to use.
Yeah, but credit will be here
Oh, what the solution is but like how many use three almost for a map issues like why have you deal
And what why is that the decision very least made a little more than before
I'm not a fan of
woman rolling but at the very
3, please. It should be reverted. It only needed one omen per amount and not 3.
anything else for juicin? cities, tablets, mapperl, that's it for juicin.
Master's Mirror, what do you mean?
I have Deli in here already, Grand Mears.
which I will maps the juice and portion
yeah fresh and talk is big I like every juicer I know does not pressure the
tablets because it's like it's so tears and fucking like you know you said like
hundreds and hundreds of tablets and it's like what is this man I don't want
First check these
nine months, subscriber first
message. This guy cares for any
Expensive tiles are way too if you're a group play, group play all the prices, all the prices,
that's also true.
First message base, dude.
Yeah, I mean, leechers and group plays also got another big issue.
It's the leech meta.
I show you the leech meta here.
and
because
and that's what we're going to
do.
More currency for a player in a
group.
Leach in and.
Dolo.
And don't play in as a vastly
grown in popularity.
It also afflates the economy at a faster rate.
For the longest time, QE never had this massive multiplier.
I'm going to press 34.
With around 50% in QE1 before QE2 came out.
Add sushi to the list.
Yeah, add sushi.
I think it was gambling.
What do you mean?
in a second, add couch queue to the TOS.
I'm not sure.
Hmm.
Yeah, no one's doing spying. It's leech man. I do a camera right here. It's just leech and duo.
Now I'm group trade servers.
I have a deli two percent cities tablets waystone
One point out here that you're going to be free to access it is true.
I think that's after juicin.
In group play, Alicja is dead. So I'm gonna get a bonus. Not sure actually. I'm not really a good player.
Now you're gonna have to craft it now.
You're awesome as to call. Yo,
you have to play too. Enjoy your...
What's up, you know what up dude?
Good to get list so far I think.
Yes, so you are a path itself to enjoy your is this correct?
I've got over 4000 that's right count them over 4000 hours already.
100,000 hours on path of exile to this guy's a diehard fan
I am I think I saw you playing Peewee 2 when a Poe 1 league was coming out
Yeah, yeah, I got a lot of flak for that. I promised I was gonna play in some private league
So I ended up having to do like jump out of the Peewee one
week a weekend, but yeah
Yeah, he is a real Poe to enjoy and you're also a big minion fan as far as I know
Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
Where do you spend most of your time, Pee-Wee, too?
I would say the majority of my time is spent in the endgame, like, you know, like trying to make characters for an endgame.
Build making characters.
Build making characters that work. Yeah, build making. Yeah, probably.
And then, you know, before League of Star, there's a lot of time I spend in the campaign, you know, trying to figure out when to do stuff.
stuff. It's kind of like you said earlier, I mean the game is very demanding on you
need to be doing this at this certain point and if you did not do this at the
right point like you're out of skilled gems or you know you're at missing a
break point of levels or whatever you know. So I feel really strongly that
you have to prepare a lot for that which is not great for sure on the
campaign. But he's a minion player and hideout word. He plays SSF a lot I'm
pretty sure yeah yeah I play every game mode every game mode if that's so you're
on it's not so you're on yep to me whoever that is now man I love under a
rock yeah okay good you know him anyway what what are your prisons but a
current P2N game. I'll tell you the number one criticism I have.
Ritual Abyss Expedition Ball Temple, I'm looking for the last monster for so long.
So many times in every map you're looking for the last monster. That is true.
That is true. That is the thing that consistently annoys me the most in
4k hours is looking for the last monster. I noticed that the
Mosin Ball Temple when doing the things in the map is always like a one
monster like this way out of nowhere for some reason. Oh yeah yeah and it's like
why am I doing this right now and then yeah after you've played for
hundreds of hours league you're like oh I can't finish my abyss again for the
50th time because I'm looking for the one monster or whatever it's definitely a big
point of annoyance. That's the biggest one another one that really bothers
me that I don't think they'll change on is that we we don't know what like
a magic or rare monster is visually like that's a really annoying thing to me
I think it has it really impacts like the pacing of campaign XP to and like the stability of it
Does you like you you're like oh, man?
I'm like two levels under what happened
Well, you didn't kill the five rare monsters that generated because you didn't even know there were rare monsters when you walk by them or whatever
Yeah, that I doubt they were changed. They like that type of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, like I said, it's that's not gonna change
Yeah
Any other major pain points here
The looking for the last monster one is probably the the worst one, but yeah a lot of this stuff you already said this
I mean
To enjoy your like anything like SSF as well because the gear I know you pass it put a bit. Yeah, that's a stuff
No, I mean like it's really a lot of the problems like it was mentioned earlier about how like you know
You're trying to save your tablets for the good stuff
I mean I think a lot of those problems are just exacerbated in SSF because yeah
There's scarcity so you don't get it like smooth over annoyance points and stuff like that
You know like if I'm playing trade and I'm bored of like moving around the Alice holds by grand projects, right?
That's not really an option. That's the stuff. So it's like things like that just become more annoying
I would like to see it be more, you know self-formable for a lot of these things like unique tablets
But I don't think that's the stuff's in the worst worst spot. It's really just that
But like the thing that you talked about with cities that you know everybody's been really
talking about since towers is just this idea that when you go on the map you want to have
like a consistently rewarding experience, right?
Yeah.
You just don't want, you don't want to feel like, well I don't really care about this
map I'm doing because I know that it's like almost guaranteed.
If not guaranteed to be worse than you know, the thing I'll do later and that's just
yeah, not a great feeling to have an inconsistent reward experience.
Yeah.
A big issue I always read as well, and myself as well, is when you're not doing your juice
in whatever city maps, you feel like you have to leave these ball-shrushed maps that drop
like no loot, and it's just not a fun experience.
Yeah, exactly.
And that's the thing.
And you mentioned at the start of the end game, it feels like you want to skip a league
mechanic.
Right?
It's like that.
I really felt that this league.
It's supposed to be the Ritual League, and I'm doing the Ritual League.
And then I've done like 20 of them or whatever in maps, and I'm like, why am I doing
I don't have my points, like it's so bad, you can just skip all of them.
So yeah, I should just ignore them.
That's not a good feeling to feel like it.
And it's like, it's not necessarily a bad thing that it's worse, but maybe the gap
just needs to be closed.
It's kind of the same thing you said about like campaign items, you know, like the
variants shouldn't be so high.
It's good to get a good weapon and feel like you're doing more damage.
you'd be doing 4x the damage then a bad weapon probably not you know the
variance is too high that that that range is too high but yeah the end game just
feels so long too like just getting your points and stuff like as a player like
me you know it's like for I can only imagine for random people trying to get
this stuff but maybe it's only the experienced people to have FOMO like
that right I don't know yeah even like I play a lot right in day 124 hours I
was not done I think by the end of day two of my next 20-hour session so 40
hours in I finally had everything done yeah that's cool even that's false
front you know that's what it's saying about it's like the average player you
have an average player here yeah but I mean it's one of those things where like
you know the average player doesn't even finish the campaign so then the
average player probably doesn't even make it inside the fortress and all that
stuff. So I mean, we can only talk from our perspective, you know, but yeah,
I like talking about the average like any game player like the actual real
players. Yeah, I'm sure that's the people we're gonna actually talk to. Yeah, we
actually play the end game to get at those points. These are doing tablet
use soon. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I think it needs a lot of work. You know,
gosh, I hope that it happens between here and one point out, but I think
we're all skeptical.
No, one point is going to be big.
I am curious what they are changing, but it has to be a lot of considering this
been essentially seven months from 5.0, I mean, 0.5 to 1.0.
Yeah, 0.5 was crazy.
So I'm hopeful.
He's in call of Auschwitz.
He's a big P we to enjoy.
He has 4,000 hours and Path of Exile two.
He plays it all the time.
He's a minion player.
Right.
That kind of chat.
He does make some cool builds.
Also check his YouTube out. Oh, it's twitch
Yep, it was started December 11th. Well, I'm gonna get a new wife
GG bro, you wife time. Yeah, well hard of business
Boy down like options like that
Yeah, that's me. Do I need to go down a couple octaves? Is that the problem? Yeah.
Yeah, I got some problems with the end game, but I think they could definitely...
Okay, let me ask another question. What are some stuff you actually really love about the P2 end game?
The things I really love about the P2 end game? Well, here's one of the biggest things. I feel
like map bosses drop items. That's a sick thing. I love that. Yeah. I love that about P2 compared to
Yeah, you get the vines all kinds of crazy shit from the map boss sometimes and that's fun. I like
Fighting the map boss. Yeah, that's really nice. That's one of the biggest things that I miss in when I go back to P1
I'm not gonna drop nothing to poke one
Yeah, exactly the work list. They just drop your fucking map. That's it over the fragment or whatever
It's it would be cool if they actually drop stuff in P1. Yeah, I was gonna say my
I think it's a little bit too many games, just overall,
like the loot does just feel good.
Everything, like everything in this game feels rewarding.
Like every mechanic, once you have your points,
feels rewarding in its own way.
Yeah, everything feels rewarding in this game.
Yeah, and the siloed stuff is important.
I mean, I think because they were able to start
from scratch, they were able to build
this really nice environment where the siloed stuff
is really important for everybody, like, you know,
at best currency and ritual omens and stuff like that.
all relevant to basically every character. You know, some stuff like breach is a little
less important depending, but generally everything has something that's really rewarding, especially
in a trade economy like all of it. All of it is good. So yeah, that's one of the best
things about it right now. I think just dealing with the friction and the tedium of
things like tablets and cities and stuff like that, the more they illuminate that
the better it'll be.
Yeah, I agree. I really love the current. I love the current actual plane, the ending
game. I hate all the setup in TDM of it though.
Yeah, and I was talking about the other day, it's like, every one of those things is a
point for you to stop playing, right? Every single thing that you're like, I don't
want to do today is a point for you to like get off the wagon and you know, the less
there are of that, the better, for sure. Like it's better if we can batch craft
maps it's better if we can you know just throw tablets in you know also I would
really love to see is a bag and Atlas bag I miss that that's really from pewee
one oh the rush second math device thanks for my yeah that's one of the
biggest things I miss and oh yeah it's not a pain point I forgot about a big
pain point I don't like this as well but especially early mapping you have so
which turns your inventory like you'll have greater all greater transmute perfect
trans you perfect all and out here and exalted orbs
all in your story because you have to put strong boxes and for bases picking them
up and game right now where I don't like to have anything I don't need that but
early that's like a big portion of my early and mid game playthrough it's just
so you have so much of an choice taken up and then top of that so you don't
have a red sack you also need like four or five waystones in your stash
So you're like, like, one point that inventory is just filled with all this, like, crap that
you just need.
It feels bad.
Yeah.
I think that's an easy thing they could give us that would help a lot for the general field
then, game for sure, because it's just way nicer when you just put your maps and
your tablets or whatever you need to put in there, your scarabs and people on, you
know, and you're just ready to do them.
And that's just less friction.
And yeah, it's crazy.
I think a lot of new players and people who haven't played a lot don't start, they haven't
really realized how much different the game feels after you're in a really good flow state
or everything's lined up and crafted.
Things are so much faster than when you're doing everything individually and having to
deal with like, menuing and bringing more maps out and stuff like that.
So, I think that would help a lot for the general feel of that game, you know?
Especially for the people who haven't played P1 because they don't even know what
it's like to have the map ruck sack right?
It's just like having to have all these massive inventory because in all those runsack, it really does make a big difference and it's really annoying, especially on the start.
That's huge, because I like that. I mean, like I said, I'd like to have like 20, so a lot of times my bags look like 10 or something.
and it's like, there goes lots and yeah, then it's okay.
Pack it up, a dead game says Ventura.
The Alvala has a Netflix series now.
Wait, what?
The Alvala has a Netflix series?
Is that what they're asking?
That's a big The Alvala announcement.
Is it live action?
I can see Lilith's tits in real life.
Sorry, Elon Musk.
This is actually true.
Is this real?
The Alvalo 4 Netflix.
Let's just announce.
I don't know if it's real.
I can't wait. That's much better than a good Diablo game.
watch blizzcon all dude I don't care for bullet titles I don't know can you play
push your mark push your mark push your mark no
All right, anything else you want to add on, Ostrichs?
No, I think that's about it, man.
That's probably all I can think of.
Like I said, most of the stuff that I can also think of is already on that list.
All right, man, nice to talk to you.
Have a good one.
Yeah, you too, bro.
Later.
All right, what's going on?
It's just on right now.
I just want to see if this is real.
The link.
Here's the announcement.
This is not an announcement, guys.
This is just a girl with big boobs.
I need permission. I see everyone's streaming it. I don't think so.
The computer's streaming it. There's actually so many.
I'm going to make a drop in chat.
I want to stream this kind of stream this. I'm allowed to stream this.
I think anyone can. I see everyone's streaming it on a special little thing.
Of course, on Twitch, how to get a banned tutorial, I'm trying not to get banned here.
I know I want to do this con dude, like, what are they going to do next, Excitement?
Not really. We'll watch some of it until I get bored. How about that?
watching some. Liz Khan.
Or something.
There you go. Everyone's favorite.
Blizzcon.
Team worthy of carrying the legacy of one of Blizzard's most beloved games.
And that team is here today.
Oh yeah?
Team, meet the world.
World, meet the team.
What is this?
What are we doing?
Watching BelizeCon, dude.
A team built with one purpose.
You guys ready?
A team built with one goal.
To return to a universe forged in interstellar war.
This is something new an open-world shooter where every step is earned in a real world
shooter on the ground in the mud in the fire honoring the past its own its truth but with
an opportunity to push beyond it's been announcing here standing shoulder to shoulder with you
we are here to reignite this universe alongside each and every one of you we are here to
to make Starcraft!
Starcraft shooting away, dude.
Let's be honest, it's about damn time.
Guys ready?
Let's see who's starved and the ones looking.
And our enemies surround us.
So I ask you this.
Do you feel safe?
Slawn have returned to destroy our lands and slaughter our families.
Will you let them?
So called firstborn judges from their shadows.
Will you beg them for salvation?
What will you do to protect our people?
Will you free or will you fight?
Hi, the top 8 eye.
Isn't it like Destiny? It's open world shooter, but that's just Destiny too.
You cannot. You will not be defeated. You are warriors. You are the elite.
And the community will give you the training, the tools, and the opportunity to feed your spirit and fulfill your destiny.
Where is this new Starcraft?
You will become more than just recruits.
You will become more than just soldiers.
You will become heroes.
Now, go forward for the glory of the Dominion!
gameplay 20 30 what four years
Hello?
4030?
My god!
That was insane!
You know, they didn't let me watch that until today.
So right now.
It's pretty incredible.
And there is so much more coming.
We're coming in. So let's get into it.
The world of Overwatch is so special to me and to this team.
It is a future full of hope, optimism, and bravery.
And at its core, it is a game about heroes.
They are the beating heart of everything we create.
We are releasing 10 new heroes this year from someone as absolutely ridiculous
as Jeff Patten. Yes! To someone whose connection to Doomfist could set
something much bigger in motion and you've just got to see it.
I have not been overwatched since it launched in 2016, I mean I was like 10 years ago.
Don't know every female character name?
No, I don't.
You watch a lot of Overwatch content, don't you, KKL?
Is that Dr. Doom?
Yes, Dr. Doom.
I
you all know the plan bring me the box move quickly see you soon let's go
because the gameplay is not for the cinematics right that comes two years after
we'll talk later
He's in there.
For now.
Sumra, what is your status?
I'm done.
Do you have the asset?
Come on
This is my eyes boys
What are you doing
Get them out of there. Leave this truly.
I can do this jerk off with one honor.
I told you...
...believe this to me!
I'm not sure if I can kill him.
I would ask what brings you here, but clearly.
You need a hunt.
Oh, I like this guy.
I should have called you.
You're here now.
How does this mean?
Is that good?
The crowd doesn't seem that excited.
Joining me now, Benfell and Miranda Moyer.
Look at how they're like shooting here.
Guys, we're looking at him.
The ninth hero joining Overwatch this year is Doctrine.
Doomfist's newest ally is a support hero armed with a scepter that heals allies and damages enemies.
He can rush through battle, shrouded in darkness,
while his drones kill teammates and speed up their attacks.
What really sets doctrine apart is infuse,
which transforms his next ability.
Imagine not just dashing, but taking flight.
And who says vampires need to be creepy and overwatch?
They're cool.
And they come with mechanical bats.
You can learn all about doctrine
in today's Deep Dive panel.
We are fired up for doctrine and he's coming next month in season five.
Yeah, I'm excited.
Let's be honest.
What you all really want to know is when can you play him?
Yeah, we have one player at BlizzCon.
The answer is right now.
What? No way.
And if you're viewing this at home,
doctrines hero trial will start as soon as we finish talking.
Early this year, we kicked off the first year-long narrative in Overwatch history.
That story has already taken some exciting turns, so we should probably get you caught
up on what's going on and why we just watched Doomfist break into a prison.
Miranda, our narrative lead is going to break it all down for you.
So personally, I am still freaking out over the heroes of the Storm News.
shout out to the gall man. You're out there, but I'm gonna walk in and try to give you guys
a good recap. So at the top of this year, Vandetta challenged Doomfist for control of Talon.
And after a tough fight, she defeated and presumably killed him. Presumably, allegedly.
And then she says, Hey, enough with all this hiding in the shadows nonsense. Talon
is going to take over the world. After a little pit stop to blow up, watch, pinch a broad
We're explaining a war.
That's the thing.
She raided Watchpoint brand Mesa, she allied with the Hashimoto clan in Japan, and she even
got the Junkers to attack Busan.
She left all of these messes for Overwatch to handle while she kept claiming victory after
victory after victory.
However, it turns out in the background of all of this that Doomfist is alive.
I was also shocked.
Why?
I was very surprised.
alive and if you ignore the part where his arm got cut off and he got thrown out of window
then he's doing great.
And after a little bit of introspection, after regrouping with his favorite girlies, he's
back, he's far more aura than ever as you saw, and if he wants to get back on top, he's
going to need a hand from a figure of his past doctrine, and I think that just about
gets us caught up.
And if you've been waiting for the right time to come back to Overwatch, Season 5 was built
for you.
We have a new map, a new hero, Doctrine.
We have the return of Doki Watch.
We have Unvaulted Battle Passes.
No one's excited.
We have two of the most requested hero reworks ever.
or should we say re-reworks?
Robert Hogg will now actually be able to help out his team, plus his hook and instant death
combo should be a lot less frustrating to play against.
And Sombra has received her own hotfix, turning her into a support.
What?
Everyone here will get to play these reworks
as well as the new Mapdreams voting all weekend.
No one cares.
There's literally no one who cares in all the years.
Then in season six, we will release our 10th hero of the year
who's investigating certain characters of the world,
certain sectors of the world, you could say.
But we're going to keep quiet on any more clues about him just yet.
This is my first ever BlizzCon, and it is amazing to be here with all of you,
and I love what we do because we get to do something that's really important for the world.
People need a place to come together, to be with friends, to get connected to community,
and being here with all of you in person is incredibly inspirational for me.
Speaking of inspiration, we have an amazing lineup here at BlizzCon.
We're thrilled to have Yoah Sobi performing tomorrow during the Overwatch World Cup.
We are also so pleased to have Leseraphim back at BlizzCon to close out the event.
And to celebrate their return to BlizzCon, we also have an all-new in-game collaboration,
and it's available starting right now.
But that's not all.
Leseraphim will also be joining Devs later today
to talk about the collaboration
and their newest music video, Made My Night.
And in addition to awesome game demos
and all these talented musical acts,
there's something that I'm personally really excited about.
Yeah.
Tomorrow, right here on this stage,
we're doing something that is completely new.
It's a live Overwatch tabletop RPG called Questwatch.
And it was written by Matt Mercer and the Overwatch narrative team.
Cassidy will be your Game Master, guiding a group of heroes including Symmetra, Sombra,
Reinhardt, and Vendetta through a one-of-a-kind story that was built just for this weekend.
Now, I love tabletop gaming, I'm an aspiring game master myself, and I'm definitely going
to be in the audience with all of you for this one.
I think a lot about what makes Overwatch special, and at the heart of it is our vision.
What is next?
What is the next announcement?
And toward that end, following Quest Watch will be auctioning off custom miniatures,
artwork, collectibles, this jacket.
Created by members of the team and signed by developers and voice actors, all supporting Make-A-Wish.
I have a personal connection with Make-A-Wish, so to be able to partner with them, to raise money, to help more families,
the way they helped mine is such a special gift.
This has been the biggest year in Overwatch's history, and it all started in 2026 Overwatch
spotlight.
That's when we made our ambitions clear, to be the best competitive experience in the
world.
Wherever you are, wherever you are in the world, however you play shooters, we have
an Overwatch hero that was built for you, and we want to be the game for you.
And since we have you here, I have to sneak in one quick plug for our next spotlight in
February with a new story, a fresh set of heroes, and some amazing new systems.
We are aiming for peak Overwatch.
What does that mean?
Overwatch is so incredibly special to us.
I genuinely can't even begin to say how much this game means to all of us.
And we can't thank all of you enough for all of the passion, dedication
and hope that you have shared with us for the past 10 years.
Thank you so much and have a great place gone.
All right, next one.
What's next one? Diablo five, it's coming.
Terror. Destruction.
Now it's Diablo V!
video games to the point of utter devotion
in three decades
over 130 million of us have made sanctuary our home
and stood against the forces of the
side by side
What's that heart note about?
Is he on Mars?
Kill you, the fight!
This conflict is eternal.
And evil never truly dies.
Drop in a block.
Which returns more powerful than before.
I
Got what five is that it was on the elbow five
The world of Diablo welcome Tiffany off and Brent Gibson
He 30
You're gonna get an attorney before season.
What's up BlizzCon?
Hey, that guy's has told us we're on.
I absolutely love seeing all of you together like this.
I've been to every BlizzCon, my first few as a player.
I'm sorry, Brent, but for the Alliance.
No, you promised you weren't going to hurt my feelings on stage.
How about the award?
Troops and pudding.
Was there anyone else out there that has been to every BlizzCon?
That's right, it's my family.
Alright.
Like two people.
Well back then I felt how much Blizzard's world meant to people.
Now that I helped build one of them, I feel it even more.
And that is really special.
Yeah, I know exactly how you feel.
When we were preparing for this, we had a lot of
to start with what 30 years looks like.
And for me, it was about sneaking upstairs
when I was 16 years old to install Diablo 1
on a computer that my mom brought home
from school for the summer.
And sorry mom, I didn't uninstall it.
Yeah, well I got the Diablo II battle chest for my 18th birthday.
And pretty soon I was at LAN parties, doing bail runs, and hunting for Stona Jordans.
And we weren't alone.
Together it's been 30 years of slaying demons, grinding for that perfect drop,
and saying one more dungeon.
And I know all of you have crafted your own story details, and I'll be honest.
Since 1996, more than 130 million players have helped shape Diablo into what it is today.
But anniversaries aren't just about looking back.
There are chance to get excited about what's still ahead.
And after Johanna's announcement that a Diablo animated series is in development with Netflix,
I think the future is off to a pretty great start and we've got a lot more to show you today.
You know, one of my favorite things about working with this team is they love a good
surprise.
Y'all do a pie?
Frank, what did you do?
I have no idea what you're talking about, but like I said, we love a good surprise.
We started the year off by shadow dropping the Paladin at the Game Awards.
And then we followed up by bringing the Warlock, one of the most metal classes to Diablo 4,
Diablo Mortal, and Diablo 2 Resurrected.
It was a P-Diablo 2 though.
And in just a few days, Diablo 4 begins its biggest anniversary moment yet, celebrating
30 years of darkness.
Season of Hell's Legacy launches Tuesday, this season, as the dead return from pandemonium,
A familiar soul will find his way back to sanctuary.
Deckard Cain.
Woo!
Deckard, ladies and gentlemen,
this is going to be 15 seasons for some of Diablo's most unforgettable moments.
Come back to haunt you.
You return to places every Diablo player remembers.
Tristram Cathedral, the World Stone Chamber, and the Durants of Hate.
Yeah, and, and waiting inside our bail,
Mephisto and the birthday boy himself, Diablo.
We can fight Diablo and Diablo IV?
You'll face all three prime evils
reclaiming the fragments of their souls.
Then you're going to decide which evil.
So the first time you're fighting Diablo
is in a season update.
And that choice will unlock new powers.
Is that kind of unexcited?
reshape the entire season around you.
Of course, it wouldn't be a party for the present.
You collect legendary gear inspired by every era of Diablo,
including the return of iconic treasures
like the Stone of Jordan.
And yes, I still get excited every time one drops.
For all of you here at BlizzCon,
you can jump into a special season of Hell's Legacy
experience today on the show floor.
You're going to be battling your way through some of Diablo's
greatest moments with an old friend to take you along the way.
And trust me, you'll want to stay a while and listen.
And maybe you'll find an utterly malevolent evil waiting
to butcher you at the end.
Sounds high stakes.
We're really doing this, huh?
Yeah, I got to keep my dad's status in check.
Moving on.
For everyone else, you won't have to wait long to play at home.
Guys, there's some boomer here, right?
You don't understand.
Oh, hey, Joe.
It's Diopla, it's Joe Shelley, everyone.
It's Joe.
Welcome to the party, Joe.
Thank you.
So, what you got there?
Well, since I'm sure nobody has heard anything
about why I might be holding this,
I'm excited to officially announce
that the Diablo IV Age of Hatred Collection
is coming to Nintendo Switch 2
on the 15th, alongside the season of House Legacy.
And if you're here at BlizzCon,
You don't have to wait. You can play the Nintendo switch to demo on the show floor today
Well, it's just about one of the blizzcon is played Diablo for an attendee switch
All right
You can test your skills and Diablo immortal tournament and we've got
Tomorrow
Creator of spawn himself
Todd McFarlane
When I found out that Todd was going to be here, the 13-year-old me just freaked out,
like really freaked out, and honestly, the 46-year-old me is still freaking out today.
Todd was my first taste of real dark fantasy, and he's inspired an entire generation of
storytellers.
And tomorrow, you'll hear from him directly at a live panel and drawing session, where
He's going to give you a glimpse at what awaits when spawn comes to Diablo Immortal on September 29th.
Guys, I'm not 40, I'm young.
I'm really in form.
Diablo has always been shaped by the heroes, villains, and stories that players remember most.
Earlier this year, Diablo 4 players finally set foot on the shores of the Skowas Isles.
And almost immediately one question started showing up everywhere. Where is the Amazon?
Yeah, trust me. We were all asking the same thing.
The vision for the Amazons really took shape. And we realized there was a huge opportunity
we couldn't pass up. So next year, one of Diablo's most iconic warriors arrives in Diablo 4.
So please welcome the Amazon get into Diablo 4
after being in Skobos getting to play the class that's from there that's so
cool can't wait to play her I'm feeling so excited
I'm playing a bow is on in Diablo 2. It's so cool board to for a long time
Yes, this fearless fighter moves with speed
Precision and an absolute control over the battlefield. Yeah, they're gonna show some game as the Amazon
You're gonna wield the bow, of course
Also be bringing an entirely new one login in Diablo 4 the iconic
The Amazon cat class passive
The Amazon class pack is going to arrive the first half of 2027.
So make sure you join us tomorrow for the Diablo 4 What's Next panel, where me and the team are going to take a deeper look into what inspired the Amazon's gameplay, look, and feel.
We'll also be premiering the season of Hell's Legacy gameplay trailer, so you're not going to want to miss out.
So, that's what's coming for Diablo IV.
But today, we're also ready to look beyond the age of hatred.
Diablo V?
He knew the first glimpse of Diablo's next era.
Diablo V!
It's coming.
For 30 years, Sanctuary has stood on the edge of Olivia.
And every time, heroes have arrived to push the darkness back.
Until now.
The angels were supposed to save us.
Come on!
That's a life for me and yours.
Praise me!
Sanctuary. It's peace. The Lord of Terror has returned.
Bravo 5! Guys, you can't wait! You log it in? It's here!
only three years wait only three years wait no one's clapping why is no one
clapping
that's right why is it already over didn't y'all
It's coming in spring 2029
The heroes are gone
Sanctuary has fallen and
Diablo has
one
For the first time you won't be fighting to stop Diablo from taking sanctuary
You'll enter a world where he already has
There are no towns or safe places.
Is there going to be any gameplay?
What you said announcement of?
That changes everything, how you survive,
what powers you're willing to claim,
and what you're willing to sacrifice.
At the heart of Diablo 5 is the simple question.
What must you become when the world has already fallen?
Isn't D4 like still mid?
Join me and Tiffany this afternoon
for the Diablo 5 Forging the Next Era panel,
where the team will take you inside the Parliament
and you will be building.
And we'll talk about how we're evolving the world,
classes, and the story for Diablo's Next Era.
Thank you for continuing to come back to Sanctuary.
Thank you for believing in Diablo.
And thank you for walking through the darkness with us
for 30 minutes.
Now you can only say D5 slash 10.
The score's improving.
We'll see you in hell.
The PE2 mug deep were so hard they had to make a brand new game.
Boy.
You guys ready for this?
Nice.
Whoa, that Diablo is so dark.
Let's go back to the tavern.
Hello, Blizzcon!
They took a mouthful last, I guess.
It is so good to be back,
and I am thrilled to be here.
Heartstone has been my favorite game since I first played 13 years ago.
And I am so proud of everything the team has been crafting for you.
It means the world to us that you're here.
All right, let's see what comes real soon.
Oh, we found Brendan.
Give it up for Brendan.
Yeah!
I'm going to go to the next
stage.
For manner, overstat it, no
overload. No balance patches
required.
Wow, I'm just a common golden
common. You're quite animated.
I'm going to choose to focus on
the overstat it.
excited. I don't know about you all but I'm still recovering from the chills I got
from that Starcraft trailer. That was the game that introduced Blizzard
entertainment to me as a kid. Fast forward 16 years, our stone launches and I've
been hooked ever since. It is such a special part of my life. Nathan, do you
You might if we take a selfie actually.
Let's do it.
That would be really cool.
OK.
What is going on, dude?
Thank you.
Thank you.
It has been such a privilege getting to help shape
what's next for the rest of our lives.
So, without further ado, let's take a look at our guest
card.
I'm going to play the yellow card in 2029.
You guys excited?
Oh, so this gets to be an epic.
Well, it's a pretty epic expansion.
I don't know how to feel with the yellow five, though.
I don't know.
Like, just mute this for a little bit,
I don't care for her stone. So I feel like the all four so many issues and they haven't shown that they fix all the issues in D4
None of this in D5s. It's just gonna have the same issues of D4
But I don't
Yeah, they announced D5
Well, they haven't showed any approved in D4 that much. I don't really know how to feel. It's like the same game
And it was a new class for D4 next year in 2027
27 then D5 is coming out it's if I could have come on less classes again. I
Don't know. They didn't really get that much. They didn't show anything about D5 besides a little bit 10-second trailer
That's it
All right
Why are they even announcing D5 when it's three years away? I don't know. It's weird when they can't show anything
There was no trailer. There was like nothing. It was like a 10-second announcement
It's kind of weird
of
For the first time in Hearthstone, we're going tens of thousands of years into Azeroth's
past, right into the battle between the Old Gods and the Titans during the Black Empire
when the old gods were at the peak of their power
and that's saying a lot because they were already pretty terrifying in 2016
corruption
madness
tentacles
the classics
and because the old god ascension wouldn't be complete
without giving you something to experiment with
we've added an appropriately chaotic keyword
With Assemble, we can now merge two Hearthstone cards together
to create a powerful new card.
Like, what if we had Marslyn Thresher and merged it with Dragon Base?
After you cast a spell, deal five damage to a random enemy?
Nothing bad could possibly happen with that.
The Assemble mechanic pulls from a curated pool of over 250 cards.
And I have a sneaking suspicion
we are going to find some pretty busted combos once rain of the black empire
launches in a bit over a month on October 20th
okay back to our card pack our next card is
a battlegrounds card that's right bobs got some strange new guests in the tavern too
There's a brand new minion type, aberrations.
They're strange, unpredictable, possibly leaking
from dimensions they definitely should not be leaking from
and they're gonna shake up lobbies
in some really exciting ways.
Anything good?
Every aberration that dies brings the old gods
a little closer to waking up
and when they do, you and your opponent
are definitely going to notice.
For everyone that's here at BlizzCon,
apparitions are available to play on the show for today.
All right, we have two guys left.
I still understand though, why is like,
why did they announce multiple games
without showing any like gameplay?
Like, do you all of five games have a trailer?
It's so weird.
Isn't that just kind of close to hype?
Like they announced a brand new game
and no gameplay, no trailers.
Like, okay, well, I'm not gonna be excited for this.
It's weird.
That was cool.
And what if all the quest achievements and events
were automatically and cohesively tied together
with that narrative?
That sounded really fun, so we're going to do that.
The updated journal launches alongside the Black Empire.
And over the course of the expansion,
it will grow alongside the story,
connecting everything you've been doing along the way.
Speaking of, we've got all of this coming too,
from deals on a mysterious black market to epic boss fights.
And tabram brawls are getting even bigger too,
including something we've never done before.
2v2 Hearthstone, where you and a friend, yeah.
When you make a 2-Hearthstone,
you can take down another duo in the box.
That means double the teamwork, double the chaos,
and let's be honest, someone else to blame
when everything goes horribly wrong?
I know you're not talking about me.
This is just the beginning.
The journal is going to keep growing with new-
Yeah, I'm gonna do it sushi.
Me and sushi duo.
Each expansion story.
So whenever you pull up a chair,
there's always something new to discover.
Plus, there's plenty we haven't shown you yet.
We're sharing our roadmap
and more details about the journal,
everything else we talked about.
Did I not say they'll support the Aliport for years to come?
They did shit a hatch out of five years?
Got one more card to flip.
Oh, that's right!
Ooh!
Whoa!
NANI-GET IT!
What do we fight?
the
the
the
the
to just have fun.
The most class is coming to
Hustle.
Chin is agile, adaptable, and
always ready to change his
approach.
I have loved feeling how
flexible he is.
He's a great player.
He's a great player.
He's a great player.
He's a great player.
He's a great player.
He's a great player.
He's a great player.
He's a great player.
I have loved feeling how flexible the munk is.
You can adapt to what's happening in games.
It does have more cheers in the L5.
It has multiple combos when the moment feels just right.
We're doing more in Hearthstone than ever before, and it feels awesome.
The Hearthstone passwords are open to everyone, whether you're playing on your PC while watching TV,
multitasking on a video call, or folding laundry while you're playing on your phone.
the
of the five has no more of the
That shit was garbage.
What's this?
I hope I'm 6.
We're going to hold a warcraft.
WoW 2.
What's up, please?
CUT!
Do we have any WoW players out there?
I think everyone's here just for WoW.
That must mean we must have some Horde.
Where's my Alliance?
Excellent.
I am so excited to be here with you today and so is the team.
I wanted to give a shout-out to the team.
They've been working really hard for you.
I love you all.
He loves you.
You're going to get to see
the team on the show floor this weekend,
and we're going to be running
tabletop adventures with you.
So come by and hang out with us so
we can make some incredible memories together.
All right, let's get to it.
We're going to light a fire that's going
to burn for decades and it starts today.
Wow, too.
That's enough of a wow, too.
We're about to launch a kick-ass year of Warcraft.
We're going to start with the World Soul saga, so please welcome Ian Hazakostas.
Retail, wow.
Hello, BlizzCon!
It is so great to be back out here.
This is going to be an amazing day,
this is going to be an amazing weekend,
an amazing year for Warcraft fans.
Let's kick it off with some World Soul Saga.
So it has been really fun so far this year,
watching you all jump into midnight
and rediscover the lands of Palphilos.
We've been admiring your wildly creative home decorations
that make us glad we decided not to implement
implement those neighborhood HOAs.
And of course, we've been reading all your theories.
Every single one of them has to say, how cool this be up there.
We've been pretty tight-lipped about that over the last few
months, saying, that'll have to wait till BlizzCon a whole lot.
But well, look where we are.
Three years ago, on this stage, we announced not one,
but all three expansions that comprise the World Soul
Saga.
And today, we stand just about at the midpoint
that journey. Beginning with the assault on Dalaran, then into the depths of the earth
and back out again. We've been hauled on Salotov's heels, battling to save our world from being
plunged into darkness. Now, as we regroup following the events of the Sunwell, we're
currently in the middle of a time-honored narrative interlude known as a troll patch.
Speaking of which, congratulations to Team Liquid on last week's World First Clear.
Congratulations, I'm Exile.
Any hometown audience here, but also kudos to Echo for their excellent play and making it a neck-and-neck race that came down to the wire.
Nick was taught DPS.
We have heard from many of you that Chris Abulett has seemed a bit like a digression from the main plot,
but hopefully over the next few weeks it's going to start to become apparent how it's leading us inexorably towards what comes next.
For a while now, the World Soul Saga narrative has been about moving chess pieces into place
on the proverbial board, getting ready for our endgame, setting things up.
But we are just about done with that phase of things.
From here on out, from now, and to the end of not just midnight, but the whole World
Soul Saga.
It's all gas, no breaks.
And that starts with what comes next.
The next major content for midnight, Eclipse.
Yeah.
That is catch 12.2 for those of you keeping track at home.
Zalataph has been a step ahead of us at every juncture, but she now stands, or I guess technically
hovers, before her ultimate objective.
And I think it's about time we confront her directly.
Now some of you may be wondering, what exactly is that objective?
Well, let me just show you.
Yeah, one's WoW 2.
Gigi will make it.
Is this the feet girl?
I don't know anything about Wild War nowadays, I don't know if it's the feet girl.
It is the feet girl.
Yeah. You know what I'm waiting for. You know what I am. Now, open the gate.
I'm not in the gate. I'm on the gate. Only to nothing critical. No more access to mine.
Fascinating.
How many eons have passed since your creators abandoned this place?
The Titans are deterrent. They will never abandon that much lies to be. Your incursion is doomed to fail.
Let's try any way we can. Shall we?
I felt that once. Never again.
Not the Titans, nor the Old Gods, nor all the mortal races could keep you from being
Soon, we shall become one, and then everything in every challenge my supremacy will be devolved.
What does that mean, Miss Lore?
That's right.
Xalapath has been after our world soul since the days of, well, that Hearthstone expansion
we just saw, Black Empire.
And now she stands, but a toes length away from total victory.
And if she succeeds in planning for her prime answer, well that will be checkmate.
So we have our work cut out for us to say the least.
But I know you're up to the task.
Now if you want to learn more about not just Eclipse, but everything else that lies
ahead in midnight, please join us this afternoon right here for our Midnight What's Next
panel.
We'll be digging into story, systems, and features,
including a new standalone game mode on the way,
and a peek at the next remix experience coming next year.
Remix, Willow's or Drain-Aware?
So that's Midnight.
Now, I know many of you came here
hoping to learn a lot more about the last Titan.
Believe me, we can't wait to tell you all about it,
but we can't get into too many details just yet,
at least not without some pretty catastrophic
Midnight spoilers.
But suffice it to say that the events that will unfold in Eclipse in the World
Core will set the stage for a revelation and a conflict that is not just the final
chapter of the Wholesale Saga, but the culmination of over two decades of World
of Warcraft.
Wow, two?
The Last Titan will bring an extraordinary chapter of Warcraft to a close while
laying the groundwork for what comes next.
Now, the Last Titan isn't just a return to Northrend.
It's a reflection on a whole generation of your valentine,
orgy, classic, from the shifting sands of anchorage
to the frozen throne, to the world breaker,
to the burning legion, to the afterlife, and back again.
Because she comes next.
We have fought to defend our home, our world.
And she needs us one last time.
Early next year, once we're on the other side of Eclipse,
you will have so much more information to share with you.
But for now, let me just leave you all with a glimpse
of what you'll be up against in the last Titan.
Don't let your mother's body in the crowd.
I don't care if I like WoW anymore, but WoW 2, I wanna play WoW 2.
What is this? Why is it taking back in a while?
That was it.
You're going to have to forgive me, but holy shit.
That big sucker is coming with friends.
That mood right there is where Warcraft is going.
We heard you.
We are putting the war back in Warcraft.
What is it every year?
I swear they say that every year.
Armies, battles, bloodshed, survival.
It all harkens back to the stories that started it all.
No one's clapping.
It's hard to believe it's been over 24 years since we launched Warcraft 3.
Even longer for Warcraft.
And like I said before the team's been working really hard for you and that includes our Warcraft 3 team
They have been tinkering my friends
Are you ready to go to war?
But I'd be a phone game dude, please no phone game
Worker for be sick though
I would have loved Worldcraft 4.
Is there just a B of FACE in the madding, what is this?
That's his owl.
It's just a Warcraft 3 or 4, it's just an expansion of Warcraft 3.
Well that's not an exciting one.
For the first time in 23 years, we have a new campaign in Warcraft 3.
I'm on a Warcraft 4.
Forsaken Kingdom will see some new faces, some are peeling and totally gross, and some will
be familiar like Sylvanas.
You'll experience the fall of Lordaeron and how it came to be known as the Undercity.
And with our forces and our elite strats, of course, we'll find out what it truly
means to be forsaken.
What are you doing, Lassan?
Succeeding you, fatherland.
Orson?
The city is overrun with closest and the undead.
We have to fight back.
We have to drive out these monsters and reclaim our home.
We call it the Omni City, carved from the sins and catacombs in these motorbikes all in catacombs.
Death is not here.
Oh
Is this what I think some would have played oh it's biographics
I just want to have three reports
We're seeking how they know way
playing through this campaign really is amazing it's been so much fun it really
takes me back and gives me all the feels and if you want to learn more we have
two panels later today and by the way Warcraft 3 Forsaken Kingdom launches
today. What? Kind of log in. And if you're here at BlizzCon you can play it on
the show floor. All right, we ain't done yet.
Classic. Wow. So let's shift gears a little bit here.
About to talk about something new.
New. Wow. To address some of the rumors out there. Because we
know a lot of you love that nostalgic flavor of vanilla.
So what if we take vanilla and really plus it up
Classic plus plus plus
It's like a repackage map for how to exploit old men.
I can't get enough of this.
of
Is that an ethmerian spear?
Yeah, they're being whisked a while.
What is this?
What is this?
Wow forever.
You can play forever!
You know how a phrase that you play one horde man?
That's all horde needs alphonse.
Yes!
Yes! Yes! Yes!
This is Classic Plus!
Why's it good forever? It's kind of lame name.
You only have a little bit of time to rally your friends your newbies your former crew
Anyone you want to live in that's coming out today
Get ready because World of Warcraft forever
launches in seven weeks
I'll say that again November 4th, November 4th everybody.
So VEDA starts this Thursday and if you're here you can play forever on the show floor.
You can play forever.
World of Warcraft forever is your new permanent home.
It's a new beginning that never ends.
And I promise you if you're a past current or a new player,
now's the time to get into the game to change
everything.
Why they changing with it? Let me tell you why.
We're giving you another way to play WoW that's friendly, familiar, and new.
It's going to live right alongside our modern and classic games.
Forever is focused on what made Vanilla so memorable in the first place.
The world as a main character.
Yes.
Instead of one big heroic story, you will carve your own path.
It's also a place dedicated to community and making sure that it's nurtured.
And above all, there's no rush here.
It's the journey that counts, not the destination.
And what's different about it?
The info?
There's going to be a lot to discover, too.
It's not all going to be solved or predictable.
Ultimately, it's easy to get into and play and deep enough to stay forever.
Honestly, this is a new opportunity to get back to what the heart is of MMOs
and what makes them so damn special.
Now it's all out of waste, all in 24 hours.
It's like that absolute freaking magic of adventuring
and running into battle
or the thrill of a new encounter with your crew
when you're trying to click your way out of certain peril.
The adrenaline of it all, for faction, for friends,
for loot!
We love our loop.
Even the chill moments are going to bring us home.
Like meeting a new friend on a run like I did when I was making a trek from
Teldrassil to Iron Forge, with the music, giving the vibes the whole way.
It's about all of us and it's about feeling at home with your people.
There are so many great moments like this to come and a lot more.
Between the well-worn pages of the history we know,
my best story is we haven't heard of.
Real content showing,
countless adventures untold.
From the time when it all began,
through the hidden paths in ancient forests,
above and beyond familiar peaks.
Your journey awaits, let the drums of war thunder.
Wait, are you gonna show me content?
Oh, there we go.
Yeah, it looks like wow.
of
the
death of
the
That was in quest no way.
I cannot wait for you to join us in forever.
It all starts up after the events of Warcraft 3's Forsaken Kingdom when Lordaeron falls
but before Bolton Core, so essentially year one of Vanilla WoW.
But the future is not full.
We may see stories that could have happened and some that didn't happen at all.
It's a bit of a freak hole.
We are all going to meet up on our original continents and bark on the journey to 60
and stay at 60 indefinitely.
The simple explanation for that is we don't want to race ahead and leave our accomplishments,
our gear, and our friends behind.
That said, we will progress in new ways and get updates as we go, new stories, new experiences,
and more.
And it's all based on what we've been hearing from you.
And for that inspiration, we want to thank you.
We are nothing without our community.
Forever exists because the team soaked up many, many years of ideas and passion for Classic
Plus.
They brought their own magic to it and created this adventure for all of us.
We've got a lot more to tell you, so stick around for our What's Next panel, which
which will be right here immediately after this.
And tomorrow morning, we'll get into the details in our deep dive panel.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Wow, guys.
Oh, my heart.
I love you.
It's quite a start to this BlizzCon party, right?
Not bad.
Starcraft is back.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Diablo 5 is on the go.
Yeah.
We've got a new hero in Overwatch.
Yeah.
Zalatap is floating around the Nexus.
And,
yeah.
And she's trying to steal our world soul,
rude.
And we all get to play
in Azoroth forever.
forever.
Johanna described this time together as an oasis.
And that's what our worlds have always been.
The time we get to spend here is truly precious.
I think I'll say it again.
I love you all.
She keeps saying she loves us.
I feel weirded out.
This is where opening ceremony begins, ends, it ends right now, but our adventures are
going to begin.
I do want to say from our hearts to yours, thank you, truly thank you.
And now, it's time to play, have an absolutely epic, badass, blaze of BlizzCon.
BlizzCon!
What is going on?
Oh, yeah.
I
Y'all low five was that a
Nice Yobo five you excited
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B5 of 145 PM, I'm not watching the rest.
War to Warcraft.
You guys haven't watched War to Warcraft?
I'm not gonna watch War to Warcraft, it's Classic Stuff.
I've made down to play the Classic Stuff to be honest.
The Classic Stuff might be kinda cool for a bit.
If it's a Retail Well, no, I don't really care for the Retail Well.
Classic stuff, I'll play that.
Eat Shatter Teeth.
Overwars 20 log in.
We're still importing.
I mean, the Starcraft game is at least new, it's not a new IP, it's a new thing.
Is it the Starcraft game was like an open world shooter or something?
It kind of may only be like Destiny 2, but they didn't show gameplay.
It's not like Destiny though, it's an open world shooter.
Yeah, I think it yeah
Diablo 5 we have a zero clue about what even deep fires about they just announced it no info whatsoever
It's just like Diablo 4 plus who knows
At least the wow stuff got info from
Wait, is this not important hour I guess we're done done I thought I was like right now
We're out of ads, yeah, I guess we're out of ads.
You're actually in D5 online, so that's great.
I should go to Diablo subreddit, Diablo.
Well yeah, because Diablo 4 sells so many issues that they haven't fixed, and how can
you expect people to be accepted for D5 when now D4 is going to be abandoned, right?
I guess in D4, we should have abandoned.
Oh, it's like okay, next Diablo is coming.
What is Reddit saying?
the same thread. Y'all with a four is coming out. This is an excretion point. It's feel
They're abandoned in D4. Yes, they are. They are abandoned in D4.
I turn all bullets right after. Yeah, the Diablo 5 height seems like it's not
consistent because the Diablo 4 is still let down and the Diablo 4 to all these years
has some issues still. Who are like, are they really going to fix in D5? Probably not.
Just be honest so like any hyper D5 like already kind of mid
If we haven't even fought Diablo in Diablo 4 yet, is there are we not even gonna play Diablo in Diablo 4 I
Guess what we are right like it is this is not gonna happen
Yeah, loosely, we're going to loosely fight Diablo in the season mechanic, but that's
not really fighting Diablo, right?
Like, the like, why is the main big bad guy in a season mechanic that goes away next
patch?
That's kind of.
I don't know, it's so weird.
Reddit blowing up.
This is a reddit.
We can read some of it.
I was hoping for the next expansion, honestly, but the fuck's Diablo 5?
Yeah.
That's early.
Wow.
Yeah, I feel like the Diablo 5 announcement, I feel like the only reason why they're doing
Diablo 5 is simply for the fact that they know Kill won't come back unless it's a new
game and they just want money.
Like, they're not going to put in the effort and time to fix Diablo 4.
It's gonna launch the Apple 5.
Right around the d4 expansion, what is this picture you're facing now?
I don't know, I feel like the YawBow5 announcement is too early.
I think that the YawBow5 announcement would be fine if they showed that they cared about
the YawBow and D4 as a fixed game, but I feel like D4 still has so many issues.
So it's like the game is currently broken and unfinished, and they're already playing
the next game, so it feels like they're already banning it in a broken unfinished game.
It feels wrong.
They didn't put a ton of effort to fix D4.
D5 will fix it all.
Yeah.
I don't mind the announcement of destruction of sanctuaries to the custodian.
Maybe we should have experienced before being told about it.
Yeah.
That's also a good point.
If it is going to be destruction of sanctuary, would that have been like a really good
expansion. That can be like the end of a D4 expansion. That's a good point too. I've
never been so confused by a reveal. Like what are they even doing at this point? Makes me
not want to play D4. Yeah, that was the most like Luke Moore announced would ever do.
There wasn't even anything. There was no gameplay, no systems. There was not even a trailer. It
was like a 10 second like teaser. And it's in three years. They showed like nothing.
It was just like, oh, here's D5. It's like, what? Huh? Even Starcraft had a full, dude,
Starcraft had a full cinematic teaser and that comes out a year later. D5 had nothing.
and even we're at no trailer, nothing.
Which is, oh, what's this?
PVP, PVP role play at hardcore.
For the sake of this we go PVP, right?
We're getting shut down, Blizzard on PVP.
Hardcore, interesting.
Roll play.
Is it a roll play one?
Hmm.
You're all play me.
Yeah.
R. P. Goldshire.
He really gave up on d4? How funny. Yeah, I don't know. The d4 announcement is, I mean d5 announcement is so like,
uh, maybe they should have waited a year or something.
the
This is the other retail stuff though, right?
It's on.
Watch this.
And so here we are.
Thank you to all those dreamers along the way who kept this idea alive and gave the team inspiration over the years.
It's been a lot of fun over the last year, reading and watching all the online discourse
about what Classic Plus could be, should be, and definitely shouldn't be.
But now let me turn it over to the team so they can tell you exactly what it is.
It's a catch for him.
Hello BlizzCon!
So what exactly is WoW Forever?
For us, it begins with a simple belief.
There are still adventures worth telling in the original world of Azeroth.
We're not looking beyond Azeroth for the next chapter.
We're not moving forward to Outland and beyond.
Instead, we're looking deeper into the world players already fell in love with.
The Eastern Kingdoms, Kalimdor, the places we've traveled through for decades.
We're revisiting mysteries that were never fully explored, stories that were never fully told,
regions that existed on the map, but never had the chance to become adventures of their own.
We believe Azeroth still has secrets worth uncovering.
Oh, yeah?
And that's what Walfur ever is, not expanding away from Azeroth, but expanding deeper inside of it.
So before we show you exactly where that journey begins, I want to talk briefly about the principles guiding
It is a sick beard though
first
Let me get my slides here. Sorry there
First approachable and familiar
We believe the world should still feel like classic
Every addition we make is measured against the spirit of the original game
Not whether it's new not whether it's flashy, but whether it feels like it belongs
That's why you won't find flying mounts
You won't find level scaling and Azeroth well, let's go on should
Azeroth should remain a dangerous world where preparation matters
Communication matters and working together matters
Yes
Thank you
We're not interested in making the game difficult simply for difficulty's sake when challenges are overcome
we want it to be because players prepared, learned,
cooperated, and succeeded together.
Now, second, world as the main character.
Yes.
We believe Azeroth itself should be one of the most important characters in the game.
Leveling is just as important as endgame.
Yes.
And we want to keep investing in the world itself through new zones,
new quests, new rewards, and new adventures across all levels of play.
Not every story needs to be in a saving world.
Sometimes the most memorable stories happen in a remote village,
along a forgotten road, or a corner of the map that you never expected to revisit.
Now third, journey before destination.
We believe your effort should matter, and it should continue to matter.
While forever is designed as a long-term home,
we're not planning around future level cap increases
that invalidate your accomplishments,
the professions you invest in matter,
the routes you choose matter,
and the gear you earn matters.
The experiences that you have with friends matter.
Our catch-up system is quite simple.
Play the game!
Play the game?
What?
Level up, run dungeons, make friends, explore the world, earn your rewards.
And finally, protect and nurture social experiences.
Many of our favorite memories from classic happened because of other players,
because someone helped us complete a quest,
because a stranger joined our group,
group, because a dungeon run turned into a friendship.
We have had to be disciplined when adding convenience
to the game, because every quality of life decision
affects how players interact with one another.
Now, we want to create reasons for people
to explore and adventure together.
And that's part of the philosophy
behind new systems like camping.
And it's why every patch will include content
for different kinds of players,
Whether you enjoy solo adventures, dungeons, raids, PVP,
or something in between,
because the best adventures are the ones that we share.
So those pillars guide every decision that we make,
but what do they actually mean in practice?
For us, it starts with Azeroth itself.
People often talk about vanilla Azeroth,
it's a solved game.
And so every mystery has been answered,
every story has been told,
every corner of the world explored.
But when we look at Azeroth,
we see something very different.
We see potential.
We see unfinished stories.
We see unexplored places.
We see regions players have been wondering about for decades.
The Gilneas, Mount Hyjal, Uldum,
the mountains north of Angora.
I wonder what's up there?
The spaces that exist
between the familiar parts of the world
and the possibilities don't stop there.
Forgotten kingdoms, Titan mysteries, the Emerald Dream,
the Caverns of Time, countless adventures
still waiting to be told in the vanilla world.
But every journey has to begin somewhere.
And when we started planning well forever,
we wanted to begin with places deeply rooted in the world,
players already know and love.
So let's take a look at where our adventure begins.
So today we're introducing four new regions to Azeroth.
Four new adventures go directly into the world of the Eastern Kingdoms in Kalimdor,
because Azeroth is not finished growing, and this is how that growth begins.
So let's start with a place many of us have wondered about for more than 20 years, Mount Hyjal!
We all know the story, we know the story of Archimonde's defeat,
But what happened afterwards?
How did Hydra recover?
How are the forests sealing from the corruption?
How are the wild gods affected by the events
atop the mountain?
And what dangers still remain?
Mount Hydra is a new end-game leveling zone
where players can finally journey through the dark whisper gorge
and explore one of Warcraft's most important locations
during a period of history
that we've never really experienced before.
Now, you'll encounter new stories, rewards,
new reputations and both solo and group content
as you help shape the future of this recovering land.
And for players seeking a greater challenge,
Hydral also serves as the home of one of our launch raids,
Hydral Summit.
And it serves as one of three entrances
into one of our other raids, the Barrow Deeps.
Because some of Azeroth's greatest victories still have stories yet to tell.
But not every adventure begins with a famous landmark.
Some begin in places we've barely noticed at all.
If you've ever flown between Morgor and Desilis, you've probably seen a set of ancient ruins
passing far below.
A small detail in the world, a mystery hiding in plain sight.
No flinted draenei.
Well done, to Shendralos.
Here, you'll meet Mordent, even Shade,
and learn more about the Shendralar,
the people whose history is deeply connected
to Altrophalos, Dire Maul,
and Prince Tortheldrin himself.
The players will also continue storylines
involving the Gelkis and the Magrum Centaur tribes
while discovering new reasons to visit dungeons
like Maradon and Razorfen Downs.
That's a great example of one of the things
we love most about Azeroth,
even the smallest corner of the world
can become a truly memorable adventure.
Now, one of our core beliefs is that the journey matters
and nowhere embodies that philosophy better
than our new zone, the River Glades.
Located along the eastern coasts of eastern kingdoms
between Red Ridge, Burring Steps, the Badlands
and Swamp of Sorrow, this place is big,
the River Glades is a major new leveling zone
inspired by stories that stretch all the way back
to the earliest Warcraft games.
Years ago, human forces pursued retreating orcs
to this region, and when help never came,
many of those settlers were forced to remain behind
and build lives of their own on the frontier.
Generation later, the descendants still endure.
This is a rugged land of rivers, grasslands,
trade routes, struggling communities,
old grudges, and new opportunities.
Humans and orcs, ogres and gnolls,
Doblins and Murlocs, all competing to survive
in a region where no one has it easy.
And that's what makes the River Blades special.
This isn't a story about saving Azeroth.
It's a story about living in Azeroth,
spanning from the mid-30s to the mid-40s.
River Blades introduces more than 150 new quests,
content for both Horton Alliance players,
new reputations, new rewards,
and entirely new ways to progress
through your leveling journey.
The players will also discover a neutral goblin port
that expands trade routes throughout the Eastern kingdoms
and beyond.
And for those of you looking for trouble,
you'll find Kroll Dock Stronghold,
an enormous outdoor dungeon where a powerful ogre civilization
is conducting some good questions.
Mid-40s, I love that guy, they're not mid-40s.
He thought it might be nice to have another option
besides running Scarlet Monastery for the 25th time.
Yes!
Yes!
So far, we've explored places tied to the familiar parts of Warcraft's history,
but Azeroth should still be able to surprise us.
Sometimes the greatest mystery isn't beyond the horizon.
Sometimes it's above us.
Welcome to Zephyrus Isle.
Thousands of years ago, a group of high-born exiles
forged a pact with the elemental wind spirits,
and they built a civilization in the realm of Skywall.
This wasn't entirely without precedent.
Classic players may remember stories like Thunderfury and Prince Thundaren,
where we first cut glimpses of the elemental powers beyond Azeroth itself.
Now, Zephyrus gives us an opportunity to expand on some of those ideas
while still creating something entirely new.
But the civilization of Zephyrus is in trouble.
The air spirits that once protected these...
The only reason why they did this was to give Florida playable allphrase.
I'll be honest.
We all know that's the reason.
And the sky-born people are divided over what comes next.
Some seek answers from the wind spirits.
Some wish to reclaim the arcane traditions
of their ancestors.
The others have turned to darker powers.
The Zephyrus Isle serves as a brand new starting experience
from levels one to 12 and combines
classic warcraft aesthetics with elemental architecture
inspired by sky wall itself.
And that is why we're introducing an entirely new
playable race the Skyborne. Yes. Now the Skyborne are not a neutral race. At
character creation players will choose whether their Skyborne joins the Horde
or the Alliance. And while they share a common ancestry they no longer share a
common vision for the future. The Horde-aligned Skyborne embrace stronger
ties to elemental traditions and work closely alongside the Earthen Ring
granting access to the Shaman class.
Now Alliance Skyborne pursue the arcane legacy
of their ancestors and work alongside the Kirin Tor
granting access to the Mage class.
Now both factions can play warriors, hunters, rogues
and druids, including some brand new Skyborne druid forms
created specifically for the race.
And the Skyborne also feature new racials,
customizations, voices, dances
and a wide range of unique visual options.
And more importantly, the skyborne represent exactly the kind of story we want to tell in
WoW Forever.
Something new, something exciting, and something that feels like it belongs in Azeroth.
Now, whether it's helping restore Hyjal, uncovering forgotten histories of Shendrolos,
building a future on the River Glades frontier, or taking your first steps through the skies
of Zephyrus.
These are only the first chapters of WoW Forever.
This isn't a seasonal experiment.
This isn't a one-time expansion.
And it isn't the end of Azeroth's story.
It's a commitment, a promise, to keep growing this world with new regions, new mysteries,
new adventures and new stories for years and years to come, living world needs challenges,
new dungeons, new raids, new battlegrounds, new rewards, and to show you what's waiting
for adventurers brave enough to answer that call, I would like to hand things over to
Nora.
Thank you.
I know the classes are changing, but I'll be honest, the only thing I really see
about Classic is how they're rotating to the Born and Spock view.
Like, I'm gonna play a mage again and only do his cast Frostbolt.
She's born as fun
Greetings adventurers
Yeah, maybe the one put our t-shirt I'd like to start by expressing just how proud I am of the team for making this dream a reality
Like many of you watching right now
We've poured our hearts into World of Warcraft and it's an honor to be entrusted with this beloved world and this incredible legacy
But ah look at me
Getting all sentimental when there are matters that require our attention.
There's adventure to be had all across Azeroth and, well, let me just show you.
In the Alterac Mountains, a disruption has thrown the magical city of Dalaran into chaos.
The mages of the Curentor have erected a magical barrier over the city
to conceal the restoration efforts after the events of Warcraft 3,
But as you can see, the barrier seems to be down. Furthermore, I'm hearing all sorts of strange reports. Enchantments backfiring, arcane fires, trash-firing, cake-wires.
All of the energy has been running rampant. There are chats everywhere. I guess that part's normal.
Anyway, far be it from me to imply that the all-powerful mages of the Cure and Tord don't have the situation under control.
What is sex 2? That's what we're going to know.
Let's turn our sights closer to home.
The once great city of Lordaeron was devastated by Arthas and his scourge.
The Forsaken have been hard at work trying to restore the city.
There are memories here. Old family heirlooms keep sakes from loved ones who never made it out of the city in time.
The ruins of Lordaeron are treacherous as scourge still lurk in its darkest corners.
But to make matters worse, we've heard reports that a necromancer has moved in, and all signs point to an attack on another city.
Honorable members of the Horde may choose to take up arms that assist the Forsaken in reclaiming these ruins, ideally in the level 15-20-ish range, while members of the Alliance...
Well, I can't imagine the Forsaken taking kindly to your presence here, so you may need to find a way to sneak in.
But don't worry, Alliance, we have something close to home for you too.
The Dwarven capital city of Ironforge is carved within the mountains of Denmarow and its mighty halls run deep.
Beneath the city proper lies the Hall of Fiends, a final resting place for the Dwarven monarchs of old.
This is a place that has been well-tended and for a long time left undisturbed.
But if you guys can believe it, someone's broken into the place.
I suspect the Dark Ions.
And perhaps if you're a member of the Alliance, you might feel inspired to uproot these intruders.
Although I'll warn you, ghostly whispers echo these corridors.
It's probably best to make sure you're at least somewhere in the 13 to 18 level range.
As for Horde, one thing's for certain.
The dwarves, I know, would never let some Horde waltz right into their sacred burial chamber.
I suppose if you're curious, you'll need to find a way to sneak in or perhaps carve your way through.
But enough about home, you're here for adventure.
As are our thoughts and it's no surprise that there would be no so many
archaeological dig sites scattered throughout the land.
These courageous enough to brave errant Titan constructs may set their sights
on one dig site in particular. Located in the wetlands, just about
Wellgar's excavation, you'll find a place trapped in time. Although we
don't know much about it, but that's the point. A strange mist has been
floating down from the mountains and flashing lights have been spotted on the horizon, so there must be something up there.
You'll check it out, won't you?
I would make sure that you're in the levels 29, they're 24 to 29 range, I'd say, so you're prepared for what you might find.
I'm sure the explorers league might be interested in those findings,
but if you're not a fan of swamps, I understand, so how about something a bit more tropical?
I'm not saying new mechanics yet
Ancient troll ruins located off the coast of Stranglethorne Vale have been submerged in waves and in hadabit I'd see creatures for as long as I can remember and
I don't mean to alarm you
But those ruins have suddenly risen out of the ocean
You can see it just off the coast. It appears to be some sort of
Range, I guess so one thing's for certain
We're gonna need somebody to go in and make sure nothing to various is going on in there
I've heard reports that trolls and Naga have been spotted there and I thought I saw a pirate ship crashing the place
I wonder how they're doing
Could be there pretty dangerous. So I'd make sure you're at least around levels 35 to 40 before venturing into that place
Actually, I'm looking around the room and
Y'all look pretty tough
So if you want to head over to the World of Warcraft demo area, you can check out the drowned city today
Right here on the show floor
What is this dude?
Now some players may find this prison familiar, and no, I'm not implying you're a bunch of
criminals.
Although, there may be a few devilish rogues among you.
But no, this prison is famous because it's rumored to be the place where the Defias once
held high-ranking nobles for ransom.
It was at one point even rumored to have held King Varian Rin himself.
In the past, we were able to go visit this location, but we couldn't actually go inside.
In forever, of course, now you can.
And it would be nice if you considered going down there to clear the place out.
There seemed to be some sort of conflict happening between the Defias and the Naga inside, so
now would be an opportune time to move.
You'll want to make sure you're ready to pull up a flight though, so, ugh, a group's
around the whole 48th of a week, we should do it.
Ah, the Shaper's Terrace.
Where have I heard those words before?
Beeper
I recall there was an old Titan facility deep within our basin, but were there others?
What happened to them?
Anyway, perhaps one of our most treacherous locations yet in the hills of unborrowed crater lies a place seemingly untouched by time
I've heard it described as I quote a whole lot like Jurassic Park
Whatever that means
There are old Titan building scattered throughout the area wildlife running amok beautiful power crystals scattered throughout and
You guessed it. There must be some source of power here, right?
Well, if you're interested perhaps you can go in and investigate if your levels 58 to 16 maybe
Look I
Don't know why you would want to venture into a stronghold crawling with ogres
But if you're into that sort of thing, I've got the opportunity for you
In the river blades, outrunners have been kidnapping folks
And I've heard several ramfackings have occurred within the region
Sturdy adventurers in the level 40 to 55 range could potentially put up a fight
And end the ogre's mischief in the region
But be warned, in the twilight hours of the night
I've heard weird chanting coming from the place
Could it be cultists?
But back to nature, in times past I could have sworn, I remember standing before a gate
in Azhara and wondered what it was on the other side.
I tell you, but if you're around levels 55 to 60, you might as well go check it out yourself.
Keep saying the levels, dude.
The rain curled city lies within.
But if you're familiar with the furbols' plight, well, I suspect they might be struggling
to stave off some sort of corruption.
It could be very dangerous.
The tunnels leading into Black Maw Hold run deep and wind far into the mountain.
In fact, should you decide to explore these tunnels, you might find yourself in an entirely
different kind of danger, which brings us to our first raid.
To the night elves, the Barrow Deep is a sacred place.
While there may be a variety of barrow dens scattered throughout the land, it is
said that their winding tunnels lead to one pivotal location we call the Barrow Deeps.
None truly know how far or how deep these tunnels run, but it must be massive.
The Night Elves hold some of their most dangerous prisoners in this location.
In fact, rumor has it, an infamous demon hunter was once kept here.
Perhaps you'll get to see his prison.
The night elves are hesitant to let anyone in, including allies, but I've heard that
like the fur bulbs of Black Maw Hold, they may be dealing with some sort of corruption.
But these dangers are no joke.
In fact, if I were you, I'd send no less than 10 of my greatest adventurers.
But we've got more danger in store.
At the Battle for Mount Hygel, Malfurion Stormrage chose to sacrifice the power
are sustaining the night elves immortality.
What, are you a loval?
She didn't tell us.
It's Commander Archimonde.
It worked, but I mean, holy smokes.
Coming to terms with losing one's immortality
mustn't be easy, and there must be some
who disagreed with his decision, right?
Anyway, fast forward to today,
and we're hearing reports that someone or something
has been draining the power from the land
surrounding the Hygel Summit.
Now, like the Barrow-Deeps, you'll want to be prepared.
If you were to send, say, 20 of your finest,
I'd say you'd have a reasonable chance of surviving.
What level?
This is by far our largest raid in WoW forever.
Beautiful snowy peaks tower over the area,
a raging river, carves a path through ancient elven ruins.
The whispering of-
It's a raid smacks level.
Hey, you could have ridden a molten core at like 52.
There's plenty of adventure to be had and perhaps-
Some people did.
Plenty of powers to be had as well.
Legendary power.
Are you guys the noobs here?
My personal and core, we had some old fifties because everyone was in 60s.
You didn't even see the 60s end during the war.
Getting carried now.
They're here in Healer.
Healing World of Part 52, like first time, like whatever.
That's a good idea, you know.
If you want to win, you'll need to control strategic positions throughout the islands.
The catch is that this battleground features a wrapping basin-style capture points.
You'll need to interact with a flag, then stand and defend it to secure that location.
Or, you guessed it, you'll be joining the Darkspear Trolls as they fight to eradicate the Alliance from their islands.
An Alliance? You are to report to the Theramore Expeditionary Force for deployment.
We've also spent a lot of time thinking about classes back in 2005 and 2006.
The class team modestly redesigned several of the talent trees such as priest, mage,
hunter, druid.
They made, the changes they made back then weren't really about making every class equally
good at everything, rather they wanted each class to feel unique.
They wanted to give us a reason to bring each class on their next adventure.
The changes we've made in classes and while forever, follow that same spirit.
We want to cover gaps where they exist, but we don't want to erase what makes each class
unique.
For example, Paladins, there's a new seal that allows you to tank a bit more effectively.
It's healing to your jam.
You might find talents that enable you to do a bit, just a bit, of group healing.
The Rhett Paladins, I don't know, maybe now's your time to shine.
We've moved away from talents that simply give you small incremental improvements,
and have instead tried to give you talents that you notice.
You may find yourself in situations where you're making real meaningful trade-offs,
depending on how you want to build your character.
But that's not all.
Waffle River is huge, and you've got hundreds of brand new items to look forward to,
including all sorts of really fun and exciting on-use and on-use sets.
Be very shawls, boys.
For example, check out this sharpened cutlery I found backstage,
which you could equip as your farm weapon.
And possibly related, we have this grave robber's shovel for, uh, uh...
you know, when you want to dig a grave.
Anyway, we've gone through and made a variety of updates
and existing items and rewards throughout the games.
Check out the title charm, now super effective against certain sea dwellers
and white mane Chippewa, which has an increased healing
and damage done alongside a reduction in the past time
of resurrection spells.
Now, let me touch on race abilities and wow forever.
We want to give you reasons to want to spin up
a character and embark on a new journey,
which is why we've done a pass over race abilities
to make them feel more distinct, more unique,
such that each race has something special to bring
that other races do not.
You can see a sneak peek of a few of our upcoming
racial passives, a 5% increase in damage dealt against beasts
if you're a dwarf, and a 5% chance to drain health
from your target if you're undead.
But I highly encourage you to check out tomorrow's
WoW Forever deep dive panel, where my friends will go
into a lot more detail on what I've teased today.
But I'm an introvert, and it's time for me
to crawl back into the shadows from whence I came.
So I'm gonna go ahead and hand things off
to our wonderful production director, Playstone,
who'll share even more fun and exciting
WoW Forever updates.
It's a classic plus, yeah, it's WoW Forever, WoW Plus Plus.
Thanks, Nora.
And hello, BlizzCon!
My name is Clay Stone and I'm the Associate Production Director on the
WoW Classic and WoW Forever team. So we've talked a lot about things you might
be expecting, but let's take a minute and talk about some things perhaps you
weren't expecting. Let's start with our rendering updates. You got to see a bit
of this in our gameplay trailer during the opening ceremony and admittedly we
We went pretty hard.
Not every zone is going to be set at sunrise or sunset all the time.
But I want to make a bold, controversial statement.
We believe, while classics art style is timeless, which is why our focus was not on changing
the game art, but on small ways we could push specifically things like the environmental
effects.
as the way rivers now flow in elwin forest white or the way the fog rolls into duskwood
at night the way the moonlight now breaks through the leaves of the trees in ashenvale
It's the same original Azeroth that players fell in love with all those years ago, with
just a few small but powerful effects updates to make it more immersive than ever.
Next, let's talk camping.
So in addition to the new professions content arriving elsewhere in Wild Forever, with camping,
We are doubling down on trade skills.
Almost anywhere in the open world, players can craft a campsite.
Other adventurers can stop by, stay a while, and use their trade skills to craft something
for the campsite, granting everyone there a specific buff.
When we think about our core pillars and nurturing and protecting social experiences,
this is one of those things we're talking about.
And because players need to sit there for a moment before they gain any buffs,
Maybe, just maybe, they just might talk to each other.
Legacy system.
If camping is us doubling down on trade skills and community, WoWForever's new legacy system
we'll see us tripling down on an element of classic
that is only found in classic,
the one to 60 leveling journey.
For as epic as Endgame is,
and I promise you, while forever's Endgame is epic,
we know that there are some players
who just love the classic leveling journey.
Although the legacy system benefits everyone,
It very much aids players who love to run alts as they unlock new perks across their alts by achieving new goals on each new leveling journey.
We are really excited about this one and how well it fits in the classic wild design philosophy.
Now I'd like to switch gears and talk about the community.
If there's one thing I've learned in my time as part of this community, it's that players
love to debate what is and is not classic.
Players discuss in social, in forums, and even make polls.
And if there's one thing every player agrees on, it's what is classic plus.
When I took this survey, I was like, oh my gosh, yes, Blizzard is going to see this and
we're going to be able to have proof and say, look, this is what we want, Blizzard, now you
can do it.
In reality, after looking at this data, it's like, it's the exact opposite of what I thought.
It seems that, it seems that, oh my gosh,
like it's literally proving that like nobody knows
what they want, like that's hilarious, bro.
So, since we're all in agreement on what we want,
let's talk Transmog.
Yeah, it turns out they're very classic, isn't it?
Now, some of you are saying, yes, finally, this is my moment I feel seen, but we know
some of you are saying transmog, not in my classic plus.
We say...
Probably a toggle.
Is it too much to ask for both?
In WoW Forever, transmog is entirely opt-in.
If you want to turn it on, it's on
and everyone you see in the world can look their very best.
But for classic players, especially those of us
who enjoy world PVP, many of us want to see other players
for who they truly are and what they've accomplished.
So turn it off and it's clown suits for everyone.
You see the nukes, yeah.
Throughout the world, you decide.
There is a lot more to learn about the classic modifications we've made to this system for those who choose to use it.
Stop by tomorrow's deep dive panel to learn a lot more about this, as well as the camping and legacy systems.
much swishy. For now, let me move on to another absolutely not at all controversial topic,
character models. This is also toggle, right? Now, many players enjoy WoW's newer HD character
models, but many of us also feel that Classics ArtSale is timeless, as I said before, and
deserves to be preserved, which is why we've made it completely toggleable, game-wide,
character, the NPCs, other player characters together unified in either HD or SD.
For fellow classic players, that means you get to see all the beloved original races rendered
in their glorious original SD designs.
And for those of you who prefer a more modern aesthetic, you can go with the modern HD designs.
You choose what you see.
Oh, and there is one more thing.
Serah can play a sliding game.
We feel like classics animations are just as important as its art style.
Here you will see a new-
I think classic animations are way better than the real-tale ones.
Running with its modern animation sets.
Now let me show you that same HD Dwarf running while attached to the classic animation sets.
I am so proud to announce that we have gone back and
painstakingly restored the classic animations you know and love across the
game's HD character models. Good. I don't need the classic animations, they are sick.
No bouncy dwarves in the skin. So let's see. We've talked about a few new zones,
the new race, nine new dungeons, two new raids, classic systems, but friends,
This is only a glimpse of WoW Forever.
We simply don't have the uptime to talk about new professions content, new reputations,
all the new itemization rewards updates blowing up much of the old meta,
the new PvP system, our first new legendary,
Our change to riding skill to preserve that classic, classic moment when you finally earn your right to ride your first mount.
Our official support of game pads for players who prefer to play using controllers.
Playable this weekend on the show floor in an in development state by the way.
And of course, the integration of previously unfinished and unused vanilla wow content.
I want to take a second to talk about where we're going.
We have learned a lot since season of discovery, including the benefits of a strong roadmap,
which is why we are building Wild Forever in the way it was originally conceived
back in the early 2000s, but with everything we've learned for the past 25 years, a fast-paced
production for a slow-paced game, which will allow us to deliver where we go from here.
We have big plans for the coming months. You will see new raids unlocked on December
9th, followed by even more new raids, new dungeons, PVP updates, world content, and
so much more. Rades on log when PB2 launches? Guys, I gotta play the wow raids, y'know?
Also, we can play PB2. And this includes new quests throughout the leveling 1 through 60
journey, as we add to this horizontally expanding evergreen classic Azeroth.
And I want to take a second to briefly point to that major updates box right there in summer
at the far end.
It's a few words there that say revamped iconic raid.
There's been a lot of speculation about when this game could take place, which is why
I want to reiterate that this game takes place at the beginning of World of Warcraft
and tell stories authentic to that time period.
The original iconic raids that you know and love
have not opened yet,
and we're excited for you to rediscover them in the future.
But Francis, this is just a taste of the year ahead.
And not even a peek at where we're planning
to go beyond this.
However big you think this game is,
based on what you've seen so far,
I promise you it is so much bigger than that.
Our ambition is mighty,
But most importantly, we have room to pivot based on community feedback.
We are building this game with you, and we are not just building for today,
but for something that lasts and nothing is off the table, not even a new class.
going back to this real
man.
He went on during the last
you don't say him.
Big gap.
Right there.
Right around the winter time
frame.
Let's discuss that.
But first, I want to take a
second to talk about a picture.
A picture that was framed
and has hung on my wall at
Blizzard since 2023.
Hardcore represented a turning
point for us as a team.
We had tried a few things before it, and as Ian covered,
we've absolutely tried new things since.
But Hardcore represented the moment
when Blizzard and the community came together
and showed not only why World of Warcraft
is one of the greatest games ever made,
but why that original adventure still
holds so much promise for where we could go in the future.
Which is why I'm also so proud to announce
that Hardcore will be coming to Wild Forever as well.
Hardcore, no way.
Please check out the Hardcore panel tomorrow for a look at Wow Forever Hardcore.
To me, Hardcore was the start of a promise.
Hardcore?
And Wow Forever is not some experimental seasonal realm nor some recreation of where we've already been.
Wow forever as a name and the logo represents a promise and
You happen to pick up the collectors edition. We hope you love the logo on the box
And when you open that box, we hope you love it on the game box
And when you see what else is inside that box we hope you love
We hope you love your very own dwarf and bear statue
which signifies where this all began not just with hardcore but also way back in
November of 2004 on behalf of the wild classic team and the entire world of
Warcraft team thank you when I started she's our dream was to get here we are
here because of you thank you for being here thank you for your feedback
Thank you for believing in this dream
I'll see you in-game on November 4th beta starts this Thursday, and you can play the demo here today
Have a great
Let's have a great day
Thank you for being around the promo guys. Thanks to me it's a thing
I want snacks warcraft iron we're done
Look at the Peewee
Yeah, D4 is on the schedule, it's D5.
You gotta pay guys I can play the beta for war to warcraft guys guys look if you pay
Hey, you can get in.
I could pay guys.
Beta access, $60.
Yo.
Just saying, I could pay.
But rather watch you play D1.
It could be some content. All right, whatever. How's the how's the all like in the cell? Hold up
You have to pay for the new rays you had to pay for the new rays
You probably $80 minimum Wait, Diablo 5 trailer?
Oh, not available anymore Diablo 5
Was he even a trailer?
There was like no trailer for this teaser You guys ready?
video
He's wearing shaco
I
Y'all below five
You guys ready
Yeah, I just made one we can log off
Yeah, the owl 5 is not a joke. It's real. There's a bet in d4.
We're always still streaming I think still still streaming
Yo, are you excited?
Yaw below five.
Give us a minute.
Are you excited?
Yo, pub gun!
Yes, devil of five pub, but also pub gun.
Fuck the envelope.
Look, pump gun. Look.
You see this? We did it.
A thousand? What?
You see?
Yeah, your pump gun.
Make yours tomorrow as well.
Well, maybe wait.
Maybe you should wait a couple of days.
Or maybe you should just come play now.
Yeah, I can't do today.
Oh, shoot.
The nature is that the fact.
Yeah, I mean, oh, I can't do it today.
Yeah, no, no, no, no. How do I get a thousand? Um, this is custom tech. So I shot your name to the devs, but you're probably, um, you probably just want to hit them up or something.
Fuma Paz, literally Fuma Paz is the dude, by the way. That's the guy. Fuma Paz, you know, hey, should I wait for the new form? Um, you don't need to. I think it will still work.
Unless they're redoing it completely
Who the past?
Wait, I mean...
Someone said to do a fresh one
I need a thousand for the guners
I don't think they should do a fresh one, because anyone's gonna leave they just go up
I'm down, yo, you guys down in a blood pack
You're received, we got a thousand people we can get
It's only been like three hours
Still though, deleting 3 hours, some people already got Angelix.
Not starting over, yeah, I mean some people are-
What is this?
If you've never played Heroes 3 before, it's like a Diablo 2, like, plus game.
It's very, very fun, and it's very cheap as well.
It's a $8 game.
Very, very fun. It's ARPG.
Okay.
Imagine running autos at 1 hour, 3 minutes at the end.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's not a race.
That's not the point though. You don't want to delete people's gear.
I don't even know if Sechron would not be allowed. What is Sechron?
Yeah, I mean they have. They have literally dropped Angelix and stuff already.
Yeah, I mean, even like fucking Ritsu is still playing this.
Like, the game is very addicting. It's very fun. I, I love you, Azche.
I'm down to start.
So he's deciding what to do now.
I can make one tomorrow without leaving on Twitch. I'm way too stupid. Alright, DM on Twitch.
Open native card. Let me go here.
Yo.
I'm not licking DMs.
Now please.
Now is 1pm and Europe is going to sleep and stuff.
I would want everyone to like, I would start it early tomorrow if we did it.
Good luck in this rod.
How do I do invites?
I don't need help I guess.
I don't know.
How do you do invites in a blood pack?
I haven't done one before.
You can help Taurus. Yeah, we have the guild. We have the, the, the gooner guild.
I need help with the.
It's fine to join. It's the first time playing a game. Yes.
We find a joint and we'll have a thousand slots apparently. Hopefully a thousand slots is enough.
We'll see how many of you are interested in playing.
Can you receive? Yeah.
I can make a Discord channel too. Put a blood pack.
Is it beginner friendly? Yeah, yeah.
The game is very beginner friendly.
I want to make a dedicated discord channel for it.
I put in Poe too, probably, and it's kind of like, I like Peewee too, but I like Peewee too, and I go to sleep very much, but like no new balance change in the same place as last patch, it doesn't give me that much motivation to play, to go.
My next Poe is Cot Comet, the same build, it's the same end game, right, like everything's the same, and sometimes that much motivation to play.
Just that event league, whatever, I had fun, I did a lot for a week, max and full build.
New tech anyway, all right.
Bro, what is this?
This later.
Discord.
I just got in Discord.
and friends
Brazil
my dumb to enter today probably my challenges today will do the challenges
I just want to chill into Peewee like actual and final launch. Like I said, I had fun
I enjoyed it, but it's just like no new end game content. No new balance patches
Like not that much for me to do in the league, right? It's just everything's the same as 0.5
Now you can't have my gear
Is this the
I'm still trying to figure out exactly how to.
Yeah, I'm down of like heroes so you should first start that should be fun with a blood
pack Booner Guild.
I have to make my own blood pack because I feel like I would have too many people join
in and I don't want to ruin another person's blood pack, you know, like, I'll just make
my own because I might have too many people anyway, you know.
So, I'll just make my own.
today now I will start tomorrow
because it's already 1 p.m for me and I want to start when I wake up
have a deal let's go back to guild I was going to
blow pack is I'll say this play isn't mostly done anyway
save
I want to start tomorrow and I don't really want to play P2 anymore.
I like P2, I just like it, it's the same game, you know, I wanted something else.
receive tomorrow's not really fun to me personally. Yeah, I mean, see if you might play for another
week's former might also play for another week former was was down to play but if I'm
students year to mirror it's a more we can use like yesterday yeah she's on mine
I know I live one more week did I I really want to play dude I love your
seems like I'm actually addicted to it dude I was playing all steam like every
day and I sort of playing PLE too the game is so good I have a strong box
I just have no interest in it because it's completely a shorter game.
It's like actually just game breaking.
I'm surprised I didn't fix it yet.
I don't know if the CMDs are here to see each other or are relevant.
It's like, well, I can go over it, but it's like old drama.
You show here a seat.
I mean, you can watch Steel if you want to see what it actually looks like,
It's like D2 plus essentially, they have like Diablo 2, but it had like years of development.
It's like old school looking.
It's a very funny game.
It's I have a lot of fun with it.
This guy's playing.
It's just an air PG.
It's like very blasty.
It's so fun though.
The luminous here is so fun.
Yeah, Jkl the the devs can give me a thousand person blood pack.
The guner packs coming.
1000 people in a blood pack.
I guess I'll start tomorrow. I'm not going to start today because it's already kind of late.
Don't change the mood speed of mob damage.
extra loot.
What's the little options in a blood pack? Where can I see that?
I'm going to side on it today.
If you just like loot based ARPGs, the game is fun. It's a very fun blasted game. I enjoy quite a bit.
Are you playing demon spawn? I heard it's a good starter. Well they get bug fixed apparently.
You can create it and start it whenever.
Oh, does it not start until I hit start or something?
I'm going to watch the D5 discussion.
Actually, I'm going to watch the D5 discussion.
What is a D5 discussion in an hour?
I'm curious what they plan to do with d5.
He might sense it beforehand.
You should play captain last battle league.
You would have to pay me to replay 3.29.
2.29 is like a connoisseur level.
I'm playing next D4 season.
Good.
I'll say how I feel about it.
I see Wilson too, yeah.
I was sponsored for Wilson too.
I made a video.
I played Wilson.
I actually played Wilson too.
You can see it on my YouTube channel.
You played Calandra League?
Yeah, I played for two days.
Two days. I don't know. Lee was bad.
I know what the whiff shot I just I don't have interest in a whiff shot because like it literally breaks your game
Like I saw a moderate do it and his whole thing was just freezing graphic errors everywhere. It's like that does not seem fun to play
Yes, it's just like really really bad
It's not really like I don't want to play pue like this, you know, it's like
That's not like how I want to play pue it's just yeah, it is obviously shouldn't be in the game. It just it really breaks your PC
You like your server lag
Yeah
I'll be nerf at 1.0.
He's like crazy, man. I just don't care. My micro is done. Whatever.
I'm proud of just fall in price.
I have fun in PE too.
I just don't like, I'm not that invested a plan to 1.0.
It's just like, you know, it's fun game and all, but
just same end game and same build.
It's not so much board is more so it's just a reset the league of nothing new, right?
And yeah, it's bored, but it's like it's not books. I hate the game. I enjoyed it.
I think a lot. I had a lot of fun day one, a lot of fun day two, a lot of fun day three.
I'm just going to back into the same game as last week.
Wait, what?
I started the bloodline it would be tomorrow like around maybe like 7 or 8 a.m. my time
it's a PDT California time
I don't play too. Yeah.
Plans pirate league. I'm not
playing pole one dude. Someone's
it right now. Five person on one roof.
You wanna play this?
Yes, bro.
Okay, okay.
If folk quits PE2, I quit PE2.
Honestly, I'm from 1.0.
Like I'm very excited to play 1.0, it's just, yeah, I didn't even have that much investment
in 0.55.
Nice settle.
It's all tier one now, it's fine to me.
We have accuracy, wait, no.
Where's your flash this?
0.96.
It attacks me.
It's fine.
Critias is better.
But I mean, you want to play attacks.
It's not bad.
Critias is better because Critias is a multiplicative modifier.
Crip multi on weapon is multiplied by the other Crip multi, so it's really an effective
Bumbo.
Hey, Link, can we set your cell on?
Yeah, so I think I'm down you guys down with some blood pack tomorrow start there. We gotta start the variety arc until 1.0
I'm not doing it now
I can play whatever. I'm really done if I hear a siege.
Actually, I was going to do the plan is, was to do a duo Valhain with the farmer.
But he said he's gonna play like another week of PoE, so I was gonna wait for him to play Valheim.
That'd be some good content.
Yeah, duo Valheim or former.
If we can play heroes each first, and then whenever a former son of PoE, I can duo Valheim content.
Bitch, Sushi? Dude, Sushi is a brick, dude. He literally cannot play anything but PoE or RuneScape and WoW.
Like, Sushi is literally brick as a gamer.
He can only play three games.
Every time I try to X Sushi for a game, he's like, nah, man.
Propensity was down to play.
Hey, Sushi also, we can do the trio. I have no idea trio, sure. Sushi actually wants to play Valheim.
I think a week or something.
Also, Sushi, the other issue is Sushi's schedule is so brick, you don't have to fix it.
Because me and Farmer are actually kind of on the same schedule, so it works out.
But Sushi's on like fucking some DJ night schedule.
There you are Sushi-Wade.
Yeah, that was my plan. X Farmer. I think Farmer's gonna play Peewee for like another week or something.
So, if he plays QD for a week, you can do Valhime when he's done, when you play heroes
until then.
That sounds pretty fun to me.
Blood packs is on Discord.
He's sending him a discord.
What, you have pack size magic find attacks speed?
What if you'll do for blood pack?
What's like the, um,
exp gain, move speed, move speed?
I feel like I would leave damage to the same, right?
Leave damage to the same.
What max move speed? Thoughts?
Max move speed, but keep damage to the same.
two feet's fun. Half mass of balls. It just max out everything. Why not man? Max out everything
about damage. We keep damage the same.
It's sleepy cats blood pack.
Is this all max?
Where's mood speed?
What is movesheet modifier?
Max MS, yeah, so it's everything max, but damage effectively.
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the
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First one to kill a Grog.
We don't need more fire than that.
Diablo 5.
No, we don't use Clown Flag.
Will you play Sexford Friends on Steam?
Is that a game?
Yeah, it was hanging on D5 already, it's hanging on D5.
That wasn't a d5 man.
Okay.
Just a game, I don't need to do that.
I don't need an edgy game suggestion. I think the plan is to play blood pack your seed until Valhalla former or something
And see where you go from there there's a last epoch in October
I'll let you align October
I feel like it should be October, it's every two months.
I hope someone feed only, I don't play so song eventually.
I go in on last epoch.
Oh, it's just kind of like
very slow updates, I guess.
Look, it's like one update a year.
No one has hope. Yeah. Also that they are brought up like
craft on, so like a lot of people don't have hope in, like, last epoch anymore, so...
What is my opinion on d5?
I mean we really don't know anything about d5.
Oh what is the power for d5?
Is that soon?
We'll watch that I guess.
I'm curious what d5 is going to be.
The top is a looking prompt indeed.
Wait, this drops in Diablo 4 category?
I think I go to Diablo 4 category, guys.
What's the drops?
YOLO5 announced?
RONDI5.
I can't be on P2.
Where's the, where's the wow stream?
This guy's seeing us do, why are they all taking selfies with the crowd?
What is this?
What's the draw for Diablo 4, by the way?
Where is this?
you
I
Go some sound but we're in for the elbow panel is it coming out
Gigabyte upgrade your life
secret lab pro great job low for the highest level of play
It's in the elbow drops rocks
I found it guys look at the drops for one a gift sub you can get a Diablo chat
that badge. Yo. Yo. You excited? Come this out. Exclusive Diablo drops here. Let's see
I feel like I'm going to be all lost inside.
Gonna get a five gift subs.
Yo, look at the badge, look at his badge, don't you want that?
You see that?
Yeah, it's a gift serve.
Yablo forever.
Alright guys, the diablo panel.
Wait, this is...
It's not in seven minutes?
Alright, whatever.
No way the biggest yellow haters doing drop street. I am I am personally curious what
D5 is about. That's not going to monster the level five panel. I am curious.
How is there still a humorous, there's still a hot pro scene?
the game did shut down.
I'm not saying you're going to look for most minutes.
It's going to kind of soft, I'll be honest, like they took out everything I made a mobile
good like all the items for some reason. I think our hot suck is going to sell more in.
Imagine.
What is this skin?
Why does the game have mounts?
Why does the mobile have mounts?
Is someone necessary?
Yeah, we're watching D5. We're waiting for it. We're currently in the D4 category. We're
all waiting and excited for it.
We have a Diablo 5 panels in 4 minutes.
I guess we do hero siege blood pack tomorrow.
Play that for like,
well maybe it's like Valheim or something.
Yeah, maybe I'll try to defy a league, I don't know.
I mean, D4 season, probably not, but it's always an option.
Everyone is spamming D5 bad, and all spamming drops.
Everyone is spamming drops.
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What is this?
A Tentana ablution.
How do you say this?
Tint an abulation.
Tint an abulation.
No textures.
No textures.
You're like, surprise.
One minute, into the tier one sub.
Don't forget your Diablo drops.
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screen. This is uh, yours of the storm. And like it's not a real game anymore. I don't
know why they even shown it to be honest.
guys ready to buy Fanta let's make a nice you guys buy some fantasy stream
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You're gonna pull on couch for this what it damn
Hello BlizzCon, my name is Johanna and today we are here to discuss a monumental moment
for the Diablo franchise and the unveiling of Diablo 5.
We have some incredible developers behind this game joining us today so let's first start
with some introductions.
Hello everybody, my name is Matt and I'm the executive producer on Diablo 5.
I'm super excited to be here, and grateful for the opportunity.
Thank you.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Tiffany.
I'm the Senior Production Director on Diablo 5.
I've had the awesome opportunity
to work with both Joe and John on Diablo 3 and Diablo 4.
And we got the team back together to work on Diablo 5.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Joe.
Thank you.
I'm a senior game director on Diablo 5 and it's great to see everyone.
Is there anyone under 50 that works at Blizzard?
Hi, I'm Jennifer. I'm fairly new to Diablo, but I have been writing games for the past 20 years, mostly dark fantasy.
So I was so stoked to be able to jump into the eternal conflict as narrative director on Diablo 5.
The newest weapon in our arsenal.
Hello, BlizzCon!
Whoo!
Thanks for the sub. Enjoy your Diablo page.
I'm the senior art director on Diablo.
And last time we were on stage together
was way back in 2019 when we announced Diablo 4.
And I'm really happy to be back here today
to say that we are hard at work on Diablo 5.
Awesome. Yeah. Diablo 5.
Thanks, everyone. And as a Diablo player and fan,
I'm psych and honored to be on the stage with all of you.
So let's get into it.
Joe, break it down for us.
What does the team want to share with players today?
Yeah, the panel's going to cover a lot of ground.
I'm going to talk about story, world, some classes,
and a bit about gameplay, and even a little bit
about itemization.
Itemization?
But before we dive in further,
let's take another look at the teaser.
OK, OK.
The angels were supposed to save us.
JORDAN!
What's avoid for leaders and more?
RISE ME!
Sanctuary is a kiss.
The Lord of Terror has returned.
You know, he's here, Diablo's here.
They finally just Diablo and the Diablo game.
Wow.
So much to unpack. West March is definitely burning,
and it seems like something's gone terribly wrong. So what story are you trying to tell here?
Yeah, we're a long way from the campfire.
From its comfort and hope.
So these are the fires of Diablo.
Sanctuary has been destroyed and Diablo has won.
That's it, geez.
And Matt, I'm curious when building the next era,
what has guided you and the team on this?
Yeah, so when we started talking about
what's the next era of Diablo needs to look like
and what do we wanna do with it?
We really started the conversation thinking
about players, right?
The whole reason we're here is to make games
that our players want to play.
And for Diablo, after 30 years,
we've accumulated a very large player base
with lots of different wants and needs from a Diablo game.
And it's important that when we think about
what we wanna build and the ambitions we have for the game
that we're making a Diablo game
that is for every type of Diablo player,
whether that's somebody who is here for the story
and the vibes and the dark fantasy
or somebody who is referred to grind bosses
fine loot and min-max their build and kind of perfect their character and that kind of everybody who falls in between and so
When we started talking about breaking ground on the next Diablo experience, we really started there
But see I hope doesn't open we're out there open over so trashy for together into different groups of it
When we're talking about the features and the content and the ideas for what we want to build
You can only say anchor it back on which type of Diablo player is this part of the game most for
So after we started, you know, getting through that phase of breaking down and understanding
our players, we spent a lot of time looking at Diablo 4 and thinking about what worked
really well about that game, how it's grown over the years in response to player feedback,
and where we had ambitions to try something new and bring fresh ideas to the world of
Diablo.
And it was that conversation that led us to start thinking about, you know, do
do we do this as an expansion to Diablo 4, or do we do this as a sequel?
Sequels allow us to do something really special to a game, especially a long-standing game like Diablo,
where we can get into the real change of the fundamentals of what the game is.
It's really hard to do when you're building on top of a game that's been around for several years,
has had several expansions and seasons.
Making those types of fundamental changes to what the game is and how it's structured,
that we felt were really necessary to chase the ambition that we had for the next phase of Diablo,
we really needed to build a new game.
And of course, we want to bring Diablo back.
We've all been hungry for seeing him represented in a Diablo game for the first time in a long time.
Diablo and the Yellow Game?
And he's just this, right, like Mephisto and Lilith are these epic characters with great stories
and lots of depth to who they are and how they operate in the world of the Sanctuary.
And Diablo deserves that and more.
Tell the truth, Matt.
Yes.
None of us wanted to tell Diablo.
OK, fine.
You got me.
That his brother gets his own game, and he doesn't.
He caught me.
We really didn't want to tell Diablo no.
So it became clear to us pretty early on
that to really do justice for what players want out
of a Diablo game, to give Diablo a game that he
deserves to really tell the story of Diablo,
we needed to do a sequel.
So once we started wrapping our heads around the sequel,
everything kind of floats from there.
Great. And Jennifer, I'm curious,
how did the narrative team approach crafting the story,
worthy of this Lord of Terror?
So like Matt was saying,
once we decided that this game
was going to bring Diablo back,
we knew we had to do it right.
He couldn't just be a final boss.
He needs to be the force
that's shaping this game from its
opening moments.
And that's how we decided that this time,
you're not scrambling to protect
protect sanctuary before Diablo can rise and take it over.
No, they said game plan pretty sure, right?
Let's be honest.
Everybody in this room has been doing that for the past 30 years, right?
So this time, other heroes rose up to try to stop Diablo, and they failed.
And you're living in the aftermath of what they failed to prevent.
You're living the world that all of the other Diablo games were trying to
prevent from happening.
And John, how did you and the team approach the art direction for this story?
Yeah, I think that the scene of the crucified angels in front of the burning spires of West
March, I mean I think this really sets the stakes for the world.
The tone, the atmosphere, we're really doubling down on darkness and what this means for
the art team is we really get to explore all of what we learned from Diablo 4 and
expand on even further.
And that desolation that we're going to see in the world is really the setting
for the survivors of this story. And I think that really complements what Jennifer
said.
Yeah, the flip side of making sanctuary so dark of trying to double down on this darkness
of Diablo winning and this apocalyptic setting is we still need to make sanctuary a place
that's worth defending. We need to have it be a place that you want to save. And
So we need to show you that what you did in defeating the Fisto, it worked.
There was a golden age of sanctuary.
There was a time where sanctuary was a better place than we've ever seen it.
And you could make it that again if you can beat the odds and defeat Diablo this time.
And we want to pull back the curtain on the eternal conflict and show you a sanctuary
that's caught between Diablo's aggression and the almost equally damaging indifference
of the heavens.
And we're going to let you make humanity a player in this.
We're going to let you find an ally among the angels
and even turn the powers of hell back against itself.
So what can you tell us about Diablo himself?
What's he like in D5?
Well, he's had some great lines.
Lines like, not even death can save you from me.
I was going to do the voice, but people said, no.
Got to cut you off there, Joe.
No voices.
They said they would cut my mic.
But Diablo has a lot more to say in this game.
He's a fully developed character.
In the past, he's loomed over the story
and the confrontation, but he really
shapes Diablo V's story from the beginning.
Yeah, like Jennifer and Joe have been saying,
for 30 years, you've been trying
to stop Diablo from taking over Sanctuary.
But in Diablo V, that battle is finished.
Diablo has won.
And so the first time, we get to explore
the question of what is it like in the world of Sanctuary after he's already taken over.
When we started exploring his character, well, we love a good morally gray character on the
Diablo team. One that begs the question of, wait, hold on, does this person actually have
a point? Are they right? It's always a good debate. Blizzard has created some incredible
ones, Sylvanas, Lilith. So it's natural for us to lean in that direction.
I want to hit it, Sylvanas.
Diablo, but pretty quickly we kept arriving at the same conclusion. Diablo is Diablo.
He's the Lord of Terror. He's not redeemable. He's not misunderstood. And that gave us a
lot of clarity. And so the question now becomes not, is he right, but what happened?
Also Diablo should be a really great character. Diablo should be a bad guy. He is just
bad. This time in Diablo 5, you're not even talking about the stories of a character
that you're running into, you as the Air Westmark,
the devil is missing out on his hand,
and it's really pretty terrifying.
Yeah, so I love Lord of Hatred.
Did anybody else here love Lord of Hatred?
I thought the team did a fantastic job with that,
and I think the thing that made it so amazing
to experience was the depth of that relationship
that you get to build with Lilith and with Mephisto.
By that point in the story, you're not just a wanderer anymore,
you are central to the story of these eternal characters.
And so we wanted to build that into Diablo 5
from the very beginning.
You're going to have a unique bond with Diablo
that you find out over the course of the game,
why and how it came to be.
And that's what puts you in a unique position
of being able to face him,
and you have unique insight into him.
But I'll show you the vulnerability to what he can do to you, and that lets you basically
spend the game defining yourself in opposition to the Lord of Terror.
Can you resist his influence?
Can you turn his powers against him?
That's what the story and the gameplay are going to let you answer.
So Diablo protagonists have often taken on these identities like the Nephilim or the
Wanderer, and who are you exactly in Diablo 5 and how does that fit into this story?
Yeah, as Jennifer said, you'll be playing the air for West March.
Can we just get the story out? I want to see what, like, you know, a game play, the classes.
And West March is the center of Diablo's invasion.
The continent is essentially greater West March. All of it has been overrun.
It's become an outpost of hell.
There are hardly any humans who haven't bowed or become cultists.
In fact, some powerful humans have been corrupted and raised to become Dread Commanders.
They have the power of the Dukes of Hell.
And anyone who has resisted gets put into a Soul Cage or pulled into the Terror Realm,
Diablo's own corner of Hell.
And the story really begins when you find out that you can enter the Terror Realm and survive.
And while you're there, you learn about a few other powers
that we're not quite ready to tell you about yet.
So that seems like a very different sanctuary from the one we know today.
What can players expect from the world of Diablo 5?
Yeah, so one thing that's always been really special about the Diablo experience
is that every gameplay session is a journey.
And there's an element of unexpectedness that I think is quintessentially part of that Diablo experience.
And the story that we're trying to tell in Diablo 5 is an awesome idea.
Every time you enter in, the world looks a little bit different and you don't know quite what to expect.
As Jennifer mentioned, we're entering a world where Diablo has won.
It's been seven years since he's conquered Sanctuary and he and his drug commanders, their corruption and their influence has really spread throughout West March.
And they're actively reshaping the land as we know it.
And affectionately on the team,
we love a good pun on the Diablo team,
we call that terror forming.
And how this plays out is every time you return
to the same point, the same region that you've been before,
it's gonna look a little bit different.
Those drug commanders that Joe was talking about,
they really twisted and corrupted that land.
So the landmarks that you see,
the monsters that you're running into,
all of that terrain,
it's gonna be a little bit different.
And well, I'm a planner.
I really like to know what to expect beforehand.
I was researching how does the parking situation work up
Los Con for weeks before I got here.
And that makes me comfortable.
I want to know what to predict in life.
But when it comes to games, it's the complete opposite.
I want to lean into the unknown,
because that's what's fun.
That idea of not knowing what's around the corner
is what creates a lot of tension.
So in Diablo 005, we're bringing back
the procedural world, both in the dungeons
and the overworld.
And I think that's...
So if you go back to a region that you've been before, you know, all that information
that I knew yesterday, that path that I found, that landmark that I was moving towards, how
to fight those elite monsters, none of that information is going to help me today.
Open world.
We can't leave the beyond the fog of war or our questions.
And that is a little bit of exciting to me.
So often talks to his team about the importance of constant discovery that you should never
really feel safe because, you know, as he mentioned, all the towns are gone and sanctuary
is just a brutal place to be.
And so John and his team have really taken that idea of the Dread Commanders, of that
corruption that Diallo is bringing and it's been really awesome seeing what he's doing
to the world.
Yeah, we have three visual stories we talk about on the art team and the way we
see this world.
is like having so much fun like doubling down on darkness and what that means
there's no open world it's good open world sucks we talk about the past the
RPGs past is where it's everything that has been lost and we get to tell all
these really rich stories with Jennifer's team and working with the
designers hand-in-hand to really fill the world with like what has gone on
since like the last you know hundred years especially the last seven years
since like sanctuary fell and there's this sort of life after people and
What does it really mean to have this desolate vision
of sanctuary?
The second lens that we looked through is the present.
And this is where evil has touched the world.
This is where the dread commanders have come through,
and it's like the forest fire has burned.
And what's left?
And it's where the art team, especially,
gets to have a ton of fun, because this is where all
the really weird dark stuff happens,
where the dread commanders have affected
the world of sanctuary.
And then lastly, the future.
This is what we're trying to prevent.
This is like hell breaking through,
And each of the Dread Commanders have their own visual theme that they have applied for.
And this is really dynamic and cool.
And I think everybody's going to really enjoy seeing just these three distinct stories and
very clear about what we're doing.
So that all feels really personal, like not as much rebuilding a kingdom but this visceral
survival one day at a time.
How does that shape the way players should navigate the world?
This is one of my, personally, one of my favorite parts of the game is how do
How do we represent a town or a place of safety in a world where Diablo has already won and
there literally is no safe place?
And so we started thinking about this problem, the idea that really stuck with us, this idea
that the player is the point of safety.
You and your band of followers are the kind of last remains of humanity and kind of the
light in the darkness of sanctuary.
So in Devil 5, throughout the campaign, you're going to be bringing your caravan, your traveling
band of wagons and followers with you throughout the world.
And everywhere you stop, there's going to be a new part of the world to explore.
And as you move through the world, meet new survivors, that caravan's going to grow.
They're going to become your merchants, your craftspeople, and your companions.
I can't read.
And we're going to be able to tell much deeper stories about these characters that
come with you through the journey with your caravan. One of the reasons this most excited
me when I joined the team when we started talking about this idea is that it reminded
me so much of the rogue encampment in Diablo 2. Yes, the rogue encampment stays in one
place, it doesn't move, but it has this vibe, it sets a tone of the whole game of humanity
just kind of like eking out a corner of safety among all of this terrible stuff.
And the campfire at the center of it kind of representing in a lot of ways that
hope of humanity. And when your characters walk out, the characters select screen and
they approach the campfire and it just gives you this sense of this is humanity here around
the campfire in this last bastion against evil. And I think that our caravan in Diablo
5 is really going to take that to the next level.
So in D5, it's as though your vendors are literally traveling with you. That's
a really dramatic shift.
Yeah, so in prior Diablo's you would go town to town and there were always conveniently be a blacksmith there as an example
Waiting to help you out would be Bob one Bob two
But in Diablo five
All the towns are destroyed there are not a lot of survivors left and so when a blacksmith choose the whole talking with your way
Well, he's gonna be Bob Prime and Jennifer tells me that that name is not final. That's kind of now
And you'll get to know this character and understand how he survived so far, why he's using the
Joiny Caravan.
I think Blizzard has done such a great job over the decades creating these really memorable
characters.
I know there's a lot that have resonated with me.
I've named a cat Jaina, I've named a cat Decker Kane, I have dogs named Bastion and
Sigma.
So clearly these characters, they mean a lot to me and a lot of the players that
are out there.
Jennifer and her team have been doing an incredible job coming up with our new cast of characters for the caravan
And one that we're really excited to talk about well his name is Zarg
So I don't know if that name is final either, but maybe
So Zarg he's a treasure goblin and I think we as the other players all have a love hate relationship with treasure goblins
We all have a story about how you're out there,
playing monsters, minding your own business.
You see a treasure goblin show up on your mini map,
and you throw your entire strategy out the window.
You can chase them all the way across the map.
And sometimes you're successful, sometimes you're not.
Hopefully you're not playing in hardcore.
But in Diablo 5, you're going to get the chance
to know a treasure goblin as more than just a loot
piñata for once.
And what's awesome about Zarg is, well, he's a demon.
And he is motivated by treasure.
and that's what he loves.
And I don't really know if you can trust demons,
but as you're playing for the campaign,
you're gonna get an opportunity to know Zard.
Why is he joining your caravan?
What is backstory?
Is what he's done to survive so far?
Why he's joining up with you?
And what his role is in helping you
potentially defeat Diablo.
And I think that we can trust Zard, right, Jennifer?
Absolutely trust Zard because he totally understands
that you are much easier to steal from than Diablo.
So yeah, like Tiffany was saying,
the caravan is a huge part of the way
that we balance this darker world
with making it a world worth saving.
So there are no normal civilians left,
which means you're never gonna run into a quest giver
standing at the side of the road
waiting to ask you to do them a favor.
Instead, your caravan characters
become the source of all of your side content.
And every one of them is an interesting, multifaceted person
who you chose to bring into your caravan, into your life.
And the quests that they give you
are part of their personal story.
And so every side quest that you do in this game
is important.
It matters, because it matters to someone who matters to you.
Or as I like to shorthand it, the real hell
is the friends you meet along the way.
So, sanctuary is occupied and survival is quite personal,
but let's shift for a second from where you are
to who you effectively become.
So, Joe, how is the team thinking about
class identity in B5?
Yeah, so we've talked about how you play
as the heir to Westmarch, but of course,
class identity in Diablo is fundamental.
Standing around the campfire, looking at, say,
a demon hunter, standing there with their scarf,
your twin crossbows. That's not just any character. That's part of who you're...
Demon Hunter's back.
Boys.
And so, today, I know it's, we're just announcing it, but I can announce a couple of classes
here that are going to be joining Diablo 5.
The Demon Hunter.
That's Jera's favorite class. Had to be there.
Spark and all, right?
and it's promised me a sky of demons.
The demon hunter of course incredible class leaping so agile, leaping through the air,
pinning demons against the walls.
The demon hunter.
How could we not bring the demon hunter back?
But also the monk will be returning.
Oh, the Chodokong Fu, he is here.
You'll be able to once again pulpify demons with your fists and if there are any that
out of range, call down holy light to smite them.
But with Diablo 5, we're also going to be bringing new classes to the game.
And today I can announce that the Plague Knight is the first new class that will be joining
Diablo 5.
That's just like...
It's just a heavily armored class.
It's the walking death.
You're going to be roaming the battlefield, spreading disease, and then consuming it for
power.
So it's like Necromancer?
Yeah.
It is.
It just feels like Necromancer?
We're going to have to get the Skeleton King Janitor up here, I think.
Don't eat your class.
You know, Diablo 5 is going to launch with more classes than ever before.
More?
That's pretty cool.
more classes than another Diablo game at ship, I mean more classes. Total.
That's cool, Lees. And the thing about Diablo classes is that they're approachable,
you can jump in, you can immediately have an exciting time playing them, but
there's also deep ARPG mastery there and a multitude of builds to explore. So
for many of us players that hunt for the perfect item is the true heart of the
experience. What can you share with us today about gear, inventory, itemization?
I know a lot of people here are very curious about that. I know that you have
been waiting probably to get to some of the crunchier bits and it was
important even though we're just announcing the game today that we talk
a little bit about itemization. So we've got an inventory screen here. This
This is concept art.
This is not final.
Wait, it looks like POE.
That's good.
It actually looks like it's just POE, one to one copy.
There's automation for Diablo.
Depth, clarity, and identity.
Handbelts.
Oh, runewords.
The runewords back.
Nobody wants to get enhanced by Diablo.
It's the latest POE one.
The ring's here, not here.
Diablo will have, Diablo 5 will feature item tiers.
Items will start simple.
and grow and go on a journey with you,
sort of like the Abba 2.
Also, you may have noticed that there
are multi-slot items in the inventory screen behind you.
This is part of our approach with the Abba 5
to really nail the item's identity.
When you think about how an item is represented in the game,
you see it on the ground, and then you
see it in your inventory.
Once you put it on, maybe you have a totally different look for it.
The art team's loving the larger icon.
I mean, I don't hate it if they just copy peer re-dialogization,
because they all live in this dog shed.
And we have some really great solutions
for any controller players who might
be worried about manipulating those items in their inventory.
Finally, we are bringing back gear-based sets.
We love what the Kalisman did in our game.
Lord of hatred
Concept to gear again because it kind of gives you this quest you pick it up from the ground
You see you've got this piece of something and if you can just collect the other things you can complete that idea and
We have some incredible ideas for how to make sure that the set items broaden the number
By dude
There's so bad in D3
And finally, we are experimenting a bit with stat requirements on items.
So not sure if that's final.
But you know, I make a lot of similes on team and maybe too many sometimes, but I like to
think of itemization kind of like a city, right?
Think about New York City.
It's this enormous metropolis, but you can immediately go to Times Square and find something
cool.
That's kind of how I think about our set items.
But then, once you really sort of dig in and start to master it, you learn where is
the best deli, where is the best pizza, and you really get into that crunchy opportunity
to define your own builds.
That's what we want to do with v5.
After 30 years, Diablo has both longtime and new players.
How's the team thinking about developing for this next era, for such a broad community?
Yeah, sure.
I mean, I think for us, it's super important that Diablo 5 feels unmistakably Diablo in
particular for our long-time players.
And again, that kind of starts with what I talked about at the beginning, understanding
who are Diablo players at their core, what do they want, what do they need out of
a Diablo game, you know, whether they just started playing Diablo and Diablo 4 or they've
been playing since Diablo 1 or Diablo 2.
And getting feedback from those players is critical to our ability to really do that.
I mean, we're all players.
We all have our own thoughts and feelings about it.
But when you're building a game, you kind of, you know, you need other people to do that critical feedback.
And so we want to get that feedback now.
We want to get the feedback as early as possible.
That's why we're announcing today.
That's why we're excited to bring the community into the process of making the game along the way towards our launch date.
For me, as a fan growing up of games, it was always so amazing for me to have those kind
of authentic interactions with developers.
I used to be really excited about BluePosts or a Vidoc that would drop or a blog post.
It was a way for me to kind of see and feel the passion of the dev team first hand.
I'm excited for us to be able to do that on our journey to shipping Diablo 5.
this today, the information we're sharing, this is just the start, and you can expect
that we're going to be giving regular updates about how development is going and what we're
excited about to get that feedback from all of you starting in 2027.
Awesome.
So before we wrap, I just want to bring this back to what makes Diablo so special.
It means so many different things to so many different players.
It's the loot chase, it's the theory crafting, it's the darkness, it's the story and
the characters.
For Diablo 5, it's our privilege to honor all of that, but also begin a new conversation
as each of you have shared today.
I'd love to just close by hearing a personal thought from each of you.
Sure.
You know, I mentioned that I joined the dev team a couple years ago.
I've been a lifelong fan of Diablo since Diablo 1, so it's really been kind of joining such
a deeply knowledgeable and passionate team.
And that was something that became really clear to me very early on, it's just how knowledgeable
and passionate this team is about ARPGs and about Diablo.
I mean, there are people working on Diablo V who have been working on Diablo games for
a decade, for more than a decade.
There's a really deep well of knowledge here.
Is that a good thing?
That means you've been working on D3 and D4.
Create a sense of energy on the dev team.
You can feel it when you join a team like that.
I put the honor to work on some really talented developers
and some really talented development teams in my career.
And when I joined this team, that energy
that I felt with those teams, I can feel it here.
This team is really ready to make something truly fantastic.
And I'm really honored to be a part of it.
Coming in as someone new on a project with as much history
and as big a fan base and so many people who love it,
who it's so important to is frankly kind of intimidating.
But this team has been just such an amazing group
of people to be part of.
Everybody is so talented and has so much passion
for Diablo, for Sanctuary, for the Eternal Conflict.
Every single day on the campaign team,
somebody has a great new idea and we're all like,
Yes, absolutely.
We've got to change everything.
We've got to fit that in.
And I'm sure after we start seeing all of the reactions
to what we've shared here today,
we're going to come back with a ton of new things.
What's the negativity in this chat?
You guys, laying up.
You've paused it, about two, half, five.
I feel like you have to slip in a happy birthday
to my daughter, because it's her birthday tomorrow.
Woo!
And I hope that she's watching me at home right now,
but maybe not watching all of our content,
because she's turning four.
Is it you and so?
But what I'm excited about is Diablo is finally back.
It's been over a decade since we've
been able to tell a story where he is at the center of it.
He is the reason, I think, that we all
were compelled to start picking up
the important color and play Diablo to begin with.
And it's so exciting as a member of the community,
myself, a developer, a player, to be
able to be a part of the journey of Diablo.
It's been 30 years.
I can't believe I've been playing Diablo for almost
that entire time and being able to come in and collaborate with my friends, my teammates
every single day and share what we love about Diablo together. It's just been such a great
opportunity and I feel very blessed.
Yeah, I think for the art team, you know, it's like the world is just such a playground
for us. You know, we had so much fun making Diablo 4 and this really feels like we just
have, you know, I think working with the narrative team, but also bringing like breathing life
into these characters of the caravan. I think it's really going to be a very special thing
about this game. And that's kind of what like I can't wait to show more next year.
And I'm yeah, that's that's it.
We talked about how D five will let you define your identity, discover builds, chase
memory of a loot, right? But more than that, our job is to build the game that players
want, that you want. Not what we think you should want. We want to build the best Diablo
game and that means listening to you. Listening to your feedback.
Blizzard listening.
Mm.
And allowing it to shape the game.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're here.
Who are they listening to?
Thank you so much.
And BlizzCon, of course, is just
the start of this conversation.
Cannot wait.
And we'll keep listening.
And we'll keep sharing.
But thank you for everyone attending this and listening
in and alongside our community.
Hopefully we'll make a wonderful Diablo 5 together.
So thanks, everybody.
We'll see you again soon.
All right, no gameplay.
I want to know if the game is open-world or not, though.
The open world d4 is shit, dude. The open world added literally nothing to d4. I think it actually just made it a worse game.
Yeah, I hope there's no open world shit again. No mounts.
Mounts don't even mean ARPG.
Yeah, I don't like roe either. Fuck roe, man.
What is even next or I guess it's another world crap. That's not classic wow though
I think Rax is excited for D4.
I mean let me X IDM.
No Starcraft?
No.
You're excited for D5?
I mean 29 like there's it's an announcement.
I'm surprised they announced D5 like I didn't know.
I did not see that shit coming at all now. It's just I
Don't know 2020 wait to 2029 and see you like try the beta or whatever they put out and see what it's like it
Yeah, time to rename the channel I guess
Classic plus look really fucking good though
Plus I'm playing
Yeah, they look like they were nailing classic plus honestly like they under they look like they got it from that
That looked good. So I'm gonna play the shit out of classic plus unlucky it drops right during exile con. I isn't lucky
Starcraft thing can start with
Or two announcements, there's somewhat immediate which is classic plus actually looked good and
Raid star when puity lunches brought now. It's just cooked. It's cooked, but
I'm gonna try sneak it anyway. It's play a lot of pbc, but basically classic
Plus, you know, World Warcraft Forever looked pretty good.
The Starcraft 2030 thing, sure.
It's it's just an announcement like there's nothing to really know about that.
D5 is interesting.
And then Warcraft 3 got reforged like the new campaign.
That's pretty cool that they dropped a new campaign.
What does Rax think?
For for BlizzCon, as far as I'm
what does Rax think?
I would start with on D4.
And I would start with Path of Exile 2 and I would look at No Rest for the Wicked and I would look at
I would look at Last Epoch. Like Last Epoch's got the best crafting by far,
PoE 2, Path of Exile has the best end game by far, Diablo 2 probably told the best stories,
No Rest for the Wicked has some of the best atmosphere in any game. Like I wouldn't start
with D4 for anything.
True.
Absolutely.
Nothing.
I don't want to D4 anything.
I can't even see it again.
What's your thoughts on the D5 announcement?
Maybe I'll do my message this time.
What are my thoughts on the D5 announcement, FobGum?
There we go.
So it was kind of a lot of nothing, right?
Like, what do we actually know about D5?
D5 comes out in spring of 2029, right?
So we didn't actually know very much.
But the little pieces of,
I mean, I can just drag this over,
the little pieces of information that we got.
I love that they have a new class,
forgot about that.
Lots of glasses, true.
I don't know if they actually confirm this or not and but I love that they got rid of the open world
I think that just does not work at all for Diablo 4. I don't think you're from that. The thing that makes me the
Yeah, I hate it. It's not like
I don't really know any of them personally but it sounds like a lot of the people that made Diablo 4 are making Diablo 5
The executive producer seems like a new person and the narrative lead seems new but narrative is lore and at the end of the day you could have the greatest story ever but have a dog shit game and it wouldn't matter so the lore lady although she seems pretty badass is for me not going to make much of a difference unless she writes the greatest story I've ever heard of it's going to make no difference
I feel like Rex already knew it.
But the things that we did learn,
they had the same itemization as D2 and PoE.
I think that's way better than D4's itemization.
Bringing back sets.
That's all right.
I think you can implement sets into ARPGs and not ruin the game.
And I think sets could be really, really awesome.
as if there could be a godly endgame source or set like Tal Rasha's as long as you just make it rare as shit
You know you're farming all league long to try to get the you know the eight Tal Rasha pieces
And they're just so effing rare like it can't be as rare as mythic uniques originally were in Diablo 4
We literally can't even find them, but that would be fun like oh today. I got
I think Seiza's belt. Oh my god. I got my, you know, I got my four PS, you know, it works in WoW, for example, it works in WoW, so.
But I feel like D5 will make it the entire build.
I saw that the items had like rune bonuses at the bottom.
And I saw that thorns had elemental damage. It says thorns damage as shadow.
Yeah, that's my thoughts and sets.
You you think sets in D2 are fine where it's just a small bonus
right
yeah, like
I think if they're gonna make it the entire the entire build as you said what's up dm is here as well
I mean, do you just want it? Do you want me just to call you?
Here dm are you we can just talk about it for a second if you want fobgon
Hey, oh
Um rx dm thinks the raid. Do you want to do you want to talk for a second? Are you leaving dm?
Let me make a call here. Wait. Okay. I don't know if you guys can hear them on this PC.
I'm going to try to make this here. Hold on, Foggun, Darth. Create and then call.
Yo, 2030 boys.
Oh, 2039.
I lost my shit when the StarCraft thing was at 2030. Can you guys hear them?
Yeah, you're good.
Well, what's up, guys?
What did you guys think?
They've been listening to me for...
Are you guys streaming?
I'm streaming.
I was shooting a Diablo V stuff.
I was curious what they're doing differently,
because I'm pretty known as a Diablo hater nowadays.
Yeah, I mean, me too.
True.
I thought it was weird how it was announced so soon.
So soon I felt like the elbow. I thought the other was like still going like I was thinking like a double for expansion or something
I was really surprised when they announced the fives that thought like
Yalla force a lot more work to it and it's like to me the other force not finished
So when the announcing the next game when the other force not finished
It's like is all this stuff we fix in the other five at least you've a question in right?
Yeah, let me ask you a question. Are you guys I hear everything twice and I don't know
You should be oh check hold on
La la la la la there we go. It was DMs Mike
Good guys. I should be good. I put on the echo
Yeah, that's my thoughts on D5 and it's probably to me as a player
I feel like D4 still need like a lot of work. It's them the announcement D5
It's like well is all the issues I have in D4 gonna be fixed in D5
We didn't see type of deal right, but it's gonna be like out of I guess hope
You're saying it didn't give you a lot of hope is what you're saying. Yeah, okay
What about you DM?
So I was thinking about it. I
Thought okay, so if they didn't announce Starcraft and they didn't announce Diablo
Then the whole blizzcon is literally like wow classic and Overwatch gets a character and then Warcraft gets like a
Random campaign drop so it felt to me like we have to have something to announce at blizzcon Diablo five. Let's fucking go
Yeah, true
Because they're what it's it's classic plus everyone already knew and then overwatch had like a character so
Like what do you what you have to announce something it did feel like the entire crowd of was there only for a while though
I feel like the old I was a now instead like nobody really like reactive
No, that's what I was saying like I barely reacted. I was like wait
I was joking at the start of the stream like you guys ready for Diablo 5 for the Diablo
in but no it was actually real like they literally did Diablo 5 it felt like okay
we're sick of D4 bad memes like let's just start over or something I definitely don't
think it's a bad idea so over if they really do have a full new direction of like where
they want to bring classes where they want to bring organizations have a full fresh
slate it's just are they actually gonna do that type of deal I agree I don't think
bad you either. It's like just fucking candid start over. Yeah,
because Diablo is the offer for me at least because I really hate
open world stuff like that's just like unfixable. I never all
the world stuff in Diablo four is like so like just not enjoyable
experience is like always lag between going through zones and
zones. It feels like completely meaningless all over the
world. Shit. I hate it. I think it'll wait for nine diablo
five. I'm a bit more happy.
I'm feeling very similar to you guys.
I for the longest time, I just have no idea what they were doing with Diablo 4.
I thought that the last expansion was the first actual meaningful move forward to making Diablo
4, you know, for lack of a better word, playable, and I thought like maybe the ship is turning,
But then they released like back to back two of the least inspired, lowest content seasons
ever.
And I made a video about it, it's like that I essentially said the other ARPGs are just
making the Diablo 4 seasonal team look bad, right?
It's literally all of them.
Like I can't between Torchlight and Path of Exile and Last Depok and even No Rest
for the Wicked, even if they take a little bit longer to get their seasons out,
seasons are actually really really meaningful and so I was like well if you have this this
expansion that's finally moving the game forward but then it's just a bunch of more of this nonsense
it's like yeah can you really even save d4 and how many years are we going to be buying these
expansions for and then to like DM said and you said they just surprisingly announced d5
it really it really shocked me I didn't even think that that was a possibility today.
Yeah, same.
How recently do you think they decided to, to like, okay, we have to do D5?
They felt like this month they decided we're doing Diablo 5.
This month?
Like, for real, though, like there's, they, what did they actually show?
They showed like a shot of an inventory that was like, okay, cool.
And then they had a cinematic, which was really short that they showed twice back,
you know, they showed the same one twice.
And then they had people on the couch talking about Diablo is dark again for like 25 minutes
And then the Diablo five stories literally the same thing as Diablo four like you have a special bond between them that makes you vulnerable
It's the same. It's the same fucking story
Like we just we just had a connection with Lilith and now it's the same thing for Diablo
Okay, it feels like I got cooked up like in a week the Starcraft cinematic was way longer and that keeps coming out after Diablo
100%
So I don't hear it
I don't even understand the idea of the big announcement for something like three or four years away like I was actually
Pretty hyped to see like the starcraft thing in the opening thing and then the 2030 popped up
Yeah, I just saw it and this emoji is like what the fuck like it's actually unbelievable
And now this is in four years away is so so alone. It also like I feel kind of close hype in some way as well. I
completely agree and
So here's, here's another thing, like I don't want to, like maybe you're looking,
maybe I'm looking too deep into what they said, but all we have to go off of is what they said
on the couch here, right? But they said that a lot of the team members were team members from
Diablo 4, and they said when they were describing the first question, how do you feel about
Diablo 5? Like, well, we wanted to look at Diablo 4 and see what we wanted to keep
deep and what we could improve on. I was like, oh, like Diablo 4 would have not been the base
of how I would have started the next ARPG. So it's like a lot of the same team members
and they said their base was Diablo 4. So is it going to be a lot different than Diablo
4? I'm not really sure.
Yeah, I hope it is. I hope the organization is way better. I hope they take a lot more inspiration from other ARPGs.
Because for me, I would say for me, like I'm not interested in playing D4 right at this point, but I will definitely try out D5 no matter what it's a new ARPG.
Yeah.
Did you guys think from the presentation they said that they're moving to a world that's procedurally generated with the fog of war that resets every time that you log in?
Does that mean that they're getting rid of the open world? That's how I took it.
I hope so.
Sounds like I mean I don't know how you can have a static open world and also procedurally generate and redo fog war every time.
That's also what I was thinking. I think that would be, that will be much better.
The whole thing on the Diablo has won,
like, terror is everywhere.
You won't have any towns to go to.
Like, they kept repeating that.
The only thing that would actually feel
a little bit different to me
is that last part where there's no towns.
Isn't that literally every single Diablo game?
The moment you take a step forward,
you're surrounded by monsters everywhere
and the monsters always seem like they're winning.
Like, I didn't really understand
That would be any different like there's monsters literally you don't ever walk anywhere where there aren't monsters that are winning
So I don't know that's why it's like I think they cook this up like recently to fill the void of blizzcon
Like I actually believe that maybe I'm wrong, but it
Most of what they said is like very standard Diablo. It's dark. It's you know Diablo is a bad person
Like he's gonna fuck you up. Oh, no, it's just kind of it feel like a lot of filler
It did seem like it was probably more so created rather recently, because what they did say
it was either this or another expansion for D4, so obviously this was probably created
after the latest expansion or close to it, D4 I would say, maybe.
Along those lines, another thing that again, it didn't say one way or the other, but
saying that, oh, could this have been an expansion to D4 or not, and considering that the distance
between D4 and D5 is about half as the distance from D2 and D3 and D3 to D4, I feel like maybe
they're going to use the same engine or a lot of the same structure of Diablo 4. So I think that
will make it feel even more like Diablo 4 even if they make a lot of changes to it, because
because they didn't say anything about new engine, new art,
dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.
Yeah, I mean.
It might feel more similar engine to that of D4,
which I think that'd be pretty bad if it is true.
If it's like the same art, same art direction,
same, not art direction, but same art
and same assets and stuff,
because also P-E-T is coming out
and P-E-T graphics look really, really good.
I thought D4 graphics look really good,
but then P-E-T came out of like, damn,
Pui 2's graphics look even way better.
So I feel like if they are making D4,
they do have like up the graphics,
so they truly match it.
Yeah, I agree.
After playing Pui 2, it's like you go play
last epoch or D4 or something.
It's just like, oh.
Yeah, the graphics are just massively different.
I also think another part of the problem,
which got a little bit better for Diablo 4 recently,
is like the very base game of Diablo 4
had essentially two colors.
It was like red and black,
and any number error, any color, any shade of those two colors.
And I was like, are you guys ever going to put colors in this game?
Because like P.E.L.E.2 is like the Paladin MTX, where you're glowing
and all these different colorful spells that change color when you throw it
through a flame wall. It's like, oh, like this game is,
it's just got so many more options than the kind of monochromatic game
Diablo 4 has been for a long time.
to
Yeah, but really not a lot of info not a whole lot to go off of I mean
They always made fun of Diablo 4 for having damage on Tuesdays
And then I saw one of the stats on one of the items is thorns damage as a shadow
Which I guess is not that complicated thorns damage and you deal it as a shadow type
I think you just converted the damage type.
It just reads so clunky on the gear,
and the gear itself picks the shadow type of the thorns
instead of like you building a tree
and converting your thorns to shadow damage kind of thing.
So I don't know.
Again, looking at it way too early.
But I saw that on the items also at the bottom,
it had little runes selected with little bonuses.
So I don't really know what they're gonna do
with the rune system.
But if I had to compare Diablo II's rune system
to Diablo IV's where it's like,
you kind of pair it up
and it does a little bonus for you
or you actually like search for runes as a currency
and craft like epic stuff,
I like Diablo II's much better than Diablo IV's.
Yeah, it's getting the vibe of the,
they're looking back to D2.
It looked more D2, the inventory looked more D2,
the itemization looked more D2,
like the runes looked more D2.
I'm hoping that's true,
but it's just there's nothing to go off of.
Like we have to wait for a game player, a beta or something,
but we have three whole years.
So we'll have this conversation again in two years,
I guess.
Someone, a good thing in the announce at least
was that the games actually gonna have like a ton of classes,
which I think is pretty cool.
It should have like all the Diablo classes
that sounded like.
Wait, did they say that?
It's gonna have the most amount of classes
compared to any other Diablo game.
Oh, wait, they did?
How did I miss that?
Okay, cool.
Yeah, they said it right before the Plague Knight.
Oh, okay.
So, yeah, it should have all the Diablo classes
plus more, they said.
It was like, it was three new,
was it three new total classes, they said?
And then also a ton of existing classes.
Well, I don't know how many new ones.
They showed the Plague Knights the new one,
they showed Monk and Demon Hunter Returns.
Those were the, I think they said,
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they did say three new classes, and then it's gonna be the most
total as well.
Maybe they'll bring the blood knight or something, unless they're including, like, immortal classes
as, like, already being in the Diablo universe.
Yeah.
So, sorry.
Just to clarify, their phrase was that it's gonna have the most total classes
on a launch for a Diablo game.
Yes.
Yeah.
So Diablo one was three, Diablo two was five, Diablo three was five, what did they add?
No, six.
They added the Necro later and was it only the Necro?
Because it's witch doctor, Necro, Barb, wizard, uh.
Oh, yeah, Crusader.
Demon Hunter Crusader.
Crusader came later, right?
Crusader and Necro came later, so it's 3, 5, 5.
And then Diablo 4 was 5, right?
So all they have to do is have 6 and they beat it.
Yeah, I guess so.
Hell yeah.
Actually, they're exact worded.
It sounded like they were having just like a ton of base plays at launch.
It sounded like more than just like oh five or six.
One with the, one with the word it is.
We expect like the standard, oh, it's gonna have Barb,
it's gonna have Sorg, right?
And that's gonna have these two classes as well.
And that's already five, right?
If it's not going to have Barb and Sorg.
There's, yeah, that has to be.
So Barb, Sorg, Demon, Hunter, Monk,
Plague Knight is already five.
I bet you since the Amazon is newly added to Diablo IV,
they probably simultaneously developed it with Diablo 5.
Yeah.
Probably also Amazon.
And then probably either like a NECRA wish doctor, I assume.
Yeah, you have to have a summoning class.
So we're going to probably have seven.
OK.
Right, we're getting there.
And then don't forget Diablo, the TV show.
Oh, Druid.
Yeah, there's no way they don't have Druid, right?
That'd be surprising.
Yeah, we can't get rid of the 17 damage class.
in no way in both games to end before
In the the final boss after Diablo it has to be uber tomb lord because they put that at the end of every single dungeon
So we need to lord back I
Don't know how I feel about a treasure goblin being my friend. That doesn't seem like a good idea
Take easy loot
No, it says that they he's gonna steal our loot
I say we kill him and take the loot and get rid of him out of the caravan
Are you playing on caravan? It's kind of a cool idea
What's gonna say are you planning on playing a new d4 season?
Uh
I mean probably I I'll probably fire it up and try it. Yeah, I read I read the patch notes and they
They didn't look great man. They they didn't look great. Oh, I didn't read the patch notes
I was thinking of trying like I haven't played Diablo in a while, nothing else going on.
Did you play the expansion?
I did.
That expansion was good, but I'm skipping to the next expansion once every year is good
for me, I think.
They said there's no expansion?
But did you notice there's no Diablo 4 panel at all at BlizzCon?
I think it's just done until Diablo 5?
Well, at a minimum, they said Amazon's coming next year, right?
So, maybe they give us a-
Oh, does it work PalTomorrow?
Okay, is it PalTomorrow or D4?
Okay.
I just didn't see it today.
Yeah, they also, they say Amazon is coming
as a class pack, not an expansion.
So, it's just like a standalone,
like Diablo 3, Necro.
Yeah, I genuinely wonder if,
like kind of like you said in the beginning,
that I wonder if they kind of gave up on Diablo 4.
I probably, I wonder if they were just like,
all right, we made our money.
We can't fix this.
Let's just go to D5.
I don't feel like D4 does have a lot of bad PR with it.
People's view of D4 is not positive nowadays.
So I think sort of from fresh, it's definitely not a bad idea.
It's not a bad idea though.
It's just, plus there's too many problems with D4
other my core fundamental issues just start over. Yeah, do something different entirely
get rid of the overworld, get rid of these stupid events, get rid of the hell tied. I'm
sick of running around the fucking hell tied all the time. Just like start over.
It is. There's too many core fundamental issues with D4 that you cannot really rework it
unless you make a new game. I mean, they thought that's the best approach and I'm down for
that because I don't like a lot of D4 stuff and it's not going to be fixed for somebody
to like it. So D5 though, I'll play D5. Try it out.
Well, I'm sure they'll offer you access a million years ahead of when they – I mean, they
doubled down this a couple of times.
One of the biggest memes of Diablo 4 is, we hear you, right?
They go on the campfire and we hear you and you want this and that and it comes two
years later and we're supposed to be excited about it.
But Joe Shelly said that they will take feedback from people multiple years in advance, starting
in 2027.
And I have written them, and I've alpha tested some of these games, and I've written
them 20-page documents about the horse doesn't work, and these barricades are terrible
and the loading screens are, I get it that it's an alpha, but if the loading screens are...
Eric, he's at the start of D4.
Oh, yeah.
It was about part of the game, bro. I love that shit, running into him with a horse,
stopping suddenly.
I actually, I had chapters for the word doc that I wrote them, and the chapter for the horse was,
my horse and I are not friends. I just went, you guys should have seen the alpha horse.
You think the launch horse was bad you would be begging for it.
You would see.
The horse.
Yeah, I hate to pronounce.
Dude, the way that the alpha horse worked first of all, it was way slower and the way
that the galloping worked and there were way more barriers, but that's not even the problem.
The horse, like you try to walk past two little goblins and they would kill your
horse.
It was like a five minute cooldown.
So you walk past one monster.
gets killed and then you just might as well not even have it because it's a fight that it cooled out
to summon him go two steps forward and then have him die again. Oh, I'm looking for a classic.
So, I mean, I just think that it would be very, very helpful if they, I feel like they listen
into the feedback but they didn't actually build in time, developer time to actually implement
the feedback. Like it does no good if you listen to me and listen to not me but anybody and
agree and then you don't actually implement any of it until two years later.
Yeah.
All right, GG boys. I got another call with you. I'll talk to you later.
All right, CDM.
Thank you, dude. Dude, FubGun, you gave me a really big scare a week ago but then
And it actually ended up not mattering at all.
Because-
The totem?
Yeah, I didn't play the totem stuff.
People kept telling me, like,
Fub Gun's thinking about it,
but I better send him a DM.
Like, don't you dare fucking play this build?
But then it didn't matter anyway.
Everything was like a hundred times more expensive.
Everyone was like, Rax, why can't I play your build?
Like, I don't know.
Like, everyone's playing Gemling Legionnaire
and so I don't know.
Like, I don't have the items either.
We're screwed.
I don't know.
The economy is insane.
they kind of wasn't saying, even now.
They said feedback for D5 is gonna be 2027, right?
So yeah, alpha's gonna start.
I have no idea.
Like when I would imagine that they're gonna have
like a closed alpha where they invite some people
and say, you know, sign this NDA, try Diablo 5
and do your worst, send us your feedback.
And I'm like, you know, maybe the way that I speak
is making Blizzard sound worse than they are.
They are very nice people
and they will definitely listen to you.
Again, it's just that last part.
It's, what's the point of getting feedback?
If you guys don't actually even have the time
to implement it, you know what I mean?
It's just a huge waste of time.
It's a huge waste of time.
True.
Yo, Blizzard, send me an alpha key.
I'll play it.
All right, so I'll tell you what if they if they give me an alpha key and I'm in there and they don't give you an alpha key
I'll put in a good word for you. All right. All right. Thank you. Good. We're a blizzard
Well, we'll get you in there you can you can test the end game
As I hate Diablo 4 I love ARPGs and I would definitely love to play another ARPG
I only hate Diablo 4 because like I just the core base game. She's like not for me. I don't like the open world
I don't like the mountains. I didn't I feel like the last expansion did improve quite a bit on it
I did like the last expansion a lot more, but
All before the last expansion. I just did not like it at all
Yeah, I remember a couple months ago when it came out like I made a one-hour video because I played Diablo 4
As shitload and I you know recently fallen out out of favor with that game and I was like well
The expansion certainly is moving the game in the right direction. They're once like did you guys get racks?
Did you see Bob guns video? He says it's still a pile of shit. He said everything is terrible
I'm like well, I mean I can kind of see why he said that I think some of these things are moving the needle a little bit
He's like that's not what Bob guns said. He says it's all terrible. It's all a zero. I'm like Jesus
That's what I said to my video in my criticism. I was like, yeah, I really had to do a more crafting
Expanded town cheese. That's really cool
But I felt like a me a lot of the endgame was like what's sort of the same game
I was in the exact same post expansion. I was doing pre expansion. I was like, now's my criticism
Which I didn't like but I'm still just doing Hall Tides
So it's from the same dungeon, right? That was my Christmas. I was like, oh, it's still the same
It's like if you like the yellow 4v4, you'll like it more now if you didn't like yellow 4v4 the expansion didn't change that
And I think it's better side
So like along the lines of what you just said, you know
There's always the meme where people log in on the first day of the league and they go,
so Rax, what color is the hell tied this season?
But the last season, some of them said something even funnier in life.
Literally created my character and I picked up my first dagger and killed the zombie.
It's almost like, well, Rax, now that the season's over for you, how was it?
Good seasons.
There's just nothing to fucking do.
it's like past the first zombie you just go to whatever color the fucking hell tight is
how how did the oblo become this
it's just so let's get no hell time d5 right no open world no hell tide
oh god and i wanted to like d4 and stuff in my my big cruisin was as well at the time when
d4 suddenly came out was that training game is awful and also there was no ssf at the time so i was
I was like, well, if I want to actually be in the ladder, I have to trade, but training
is like, god, awful in the game, and I can't do pure SSF, and I was like, I really hated
that about the game.
So I would have played D4 SSF, it was available, and now it is, if I was not aware, but at
that time it wasn't, and training on D4 is like, terrible, it's awful experience.
The trading system was just so unbelievably bizarre, and we've just been literally
crying and begging, begging for an SSF mode.
And-
Now they have it though, it isn't a game.
Yeah, they finally implemented it just two years later.
It's another like super curious thing where,
like I'll give you another example,
like the decision has just made no sense to me.
Like they try, I don't even remember what it was called.
What was the event called where
You brought your own build into it and you got like a score
and there was a timer and there was a leaderboard for it.
I don't even remember what it, like the gauntlet or something.
Is that what it was called?
The tower?
Was it a tower?
Is it a gauntlet?
No, the tower is the actual name mechanic
in the game right now.
Oh, okay, okay.
Okay, the gauntlet.
Okay, so Diablo III had a challenge.
Did you play a lot of D3 or no?
Yeah, I had 1000 D3.
I was a D3 player before as a QE player.
Okay, all right.
So, you know the challenge riffs in D3?
In general, usually challenge riffs were pretty hated, right?
So, we go to D4 and they're trying to change challenge riffs so people like them.
And they're like, well, okay, what we'll do is we'll put in this whole score system
and we'll let you use your own build and that will fix it.
And then the gauntlet was the most hated thing ever.
And when I was talking to them, I was like, guys, I think you guys completely missed the
point of why people didn't like the challenge riffs.
People didn't like the challenge riffs, not necessarily because you didn't let them bring
their own character.
It's because every care every single week, you pick something randomly.
And sometimes some of the gear and the synergies were so unbelievably terrible that people
dreaded logging in to see the abomination that you would give people and I was I like made
guides back then about how do you play this thorns crusader that does two damage to everything
and dies in one hit how can you possibly beat this you know in five minutes I think
I'm sorry didn't get off go ahead I think the big reason why people did a chance riffs
was also the fact that it was so like giga mandatory to do one every single leave launch
for Diablo III. It gives you so much resource that long. You just had to do it. If it wasn't
as insanely mandatory, it probably wouldn't have received as much hate.
That's definitely like people don't like daily chores like that. But if they just would have
actually given you really, really cool, interesting builds, if they would have actually hand
crafted them rather than randomly picking them, and then there was also no incentive
other than getting the really big reward in the beginning,
to keep trying it, to set a really good time
and compete against your friends, there was no purpose to it.
I was like, if you would have given them a purpose,
not made it mandatory on the launch
and actually just put really cool, interesting builds
into it already at a minimum,
challenge risk would have been a hundred times better.
But instead, you did this really weird thing
that I guess kind of sounds good on paper,
but in practice everybody hated it.
Yeah, I agree.
So I, I don't know, I guess we'll see.
I guess we'll see what we get for D5,
but I didn't hear anything that I hated other than,
yeah, we're taking D4 as our base
and we'll take out what we don't like
and add what we do like it's like.
Awesome, the world, man.
Like for me, even on D3,
these guys have like that much bones in it,
like actually any game,
it's still like really fun to play D3
like a few days every single launch is like a running year just like go go go next a big part
before why he did so much is that open world like oh how's kind of five minutes let me just wait
downtime oh what boss is fun to five minutes let me wait and so it's a lot of like downtime if I
just want like play play play they've got got to go to a at launch at least gotta go to a dungeon
how to bring my horse all the way there obviously nowadays he seems to teleport like
dude I just want to play an air refugee I just want to kill monsters I don't want like
these timers every 30 minutes, having to wait, I just want to play the game, you know.
Yeah. Like when you play games, you're just playing the game of what you want to do,
you're not waiting for a timer to countdown. It's almost as if the game schedules your
play session for you. Exactly. Yeah. The idea of like taking Diablo as an
instanced ARPG and turning it into a big open world. It sounds great on paper, right? Like,
if we could make Diablo as epic as World of Warcraft in the Diablo universe, this could be
like the greatest game ever. But the whole defining feature of Diablo 4, the open world,
it just doesn't seem to work. It's the timers. It's the, when you were moving around on the
horse, it felt so bad with the way that the horse mechanics worked. But then when you
fix the horse mechanics, then you just let us teleport everywhere. So now the horse is
completely invalidated. So since we're teleporting everywhere, why does the open world even exist?
Now it's not even an open world. We're just teleporting the different sections of it,
which could just be instance content. So it's just like the ideas never married with each
other. The open world, energizing with the way that you play Diablo 4 never actually came together.
It also felt very buggy, like every time we clicked into zones, you felt the phasing. It felt wrong, you lagged a little behind, you desynced, every single time from town to outside of town, it just felt bad.
I never got that kind of connection quite right.
Yeah.
probably, I mean, and then this is the age old meme
of loading everybody's stash tabs as you ride around,
but it's probably way harder to design a bug-free,
like smooth sailing game in an open world
when it's doing stuff like that versus just loading you
and maybe you're party members and that's it.
I would bet actually coding D5 will be much easier
than Diablo 4 was.
Yeah.
Now, we probably took so much time as well.
We actually had a full playable platform.
We probably took so much development time from them.
That was just like, not needed.
Yeah.
It's like they said, they had a dev talk for Diablo 3.
And when they were doing the Necro pack and they were coding the skill revive.
And so revive in Diablo 3 was supposed to be this like godly skill
skill where you could, you know, it's kind of like in PoE, the companion thing where you
could res anything in the game and they would actually do whatever attacks that they, that
the monsters are doing against you.
But they said they started to code it and they, I believe their quote was, they spent
more time designing the Necros revive skill than the entire rest of the, of the entire
expansion pack.
And so they eventually, I think, abandoned it and now revive it.
It's like a really stupid spell in Diablo 3.
It's like sometimes this one thing, like designing the open world can probably monopolize so
much of your dev time that it eats into, you know, fixing all the bugs that we were reporting
and stuff.
Yeah, sure.
Well, I don't know, man.
I guess we live the fight another day.
I guess I'll see you in Diablo on Tuesday.
Are you a wow guy at all?
I actually probably will be playing. Well, I've actually got the beta for the wild stuff because I'm doing nothing else. Anyway, I do like what I've played
Wow in the whole life. I played so much. Wow. I recently stopped playing one of the past like three four years
I was kind of the love of it, but I did love love a lot of life
Same I I have more I nearly have more hours in Wow than D2 D3 and D4 combined and
Me Karn DM and Gazi all still raid in a yeah, yeah
Yeah, if you ever want to come right with us, let us know if you want to come Blast.
Yeah, the Wild Plus stuff. I mean, should check it out. The beta's coming out like
decent time anyway, so yeah, maybe we'll know it. Yeah, I think it would be fun. At
least it didn't, it doesn't launch on top of PoE, right? Because PoE is December 11,
and this is November 4th, right? The raid launches on top of PoE. The
rate comes out the same. Yeah. Oh, but that's fine. We're in one day. I mean, we're not gonna,
we don't need two full days to clear. I mean, we'll see how long the rate is.
I guess that's curious how, yeah, are they actually going to make the
rates challenging? They're going to be like, you know, classic vanilla,
we just clear it in one day. Who knows, right? Who knows what they're doing?
Yeah. We're definitely going in there with the idea that we'll just clear it in one day.
I don't think they're going to be putting some mythic, mythic key
race to world first raids in there.
But who knows?
Maybe they will.
I would I would like it as like a long time
out player at the classic wild stuff.
So also, they don't want to make it super insanely hard.
But it also probably shouldn't be like just molten
core difficulty where it's just one mechanic each boss.
You know, they define a truck medium.
Yeah, just to don't don't blow up people with the bomb
and step out of the fire and you win.
Yeah.
I hope they find nice medium between that because I
I wouldn't want it like a mythic wow raid at like a retail level, but I also don't want it like molten core level, you know
Yeah, I don't think with with how basic classic is I don't even know if they would if we as players
Even have all the tools and cool downs. Da da da da da to to fight a boss like that. You know what I mean
I need to play on the beta next week. Oh
Yeah
Fuck yeah, I'm playing one. Oh, I'm playing wow for sure. Oh, yeah, I'll be playing
I'll be playing life compromising hours of that. I'm sure I
Love wow unfortunately. Oh
We have another Titan coming in it's woody wait
Joe we at isn't woody at BlizzCon
What's up guys, I'm fob gun and I are just chatting about life wow and yablo
What he is there is Robin a block of those car
What he was with dead mouse yeah, I mean Rob Rob has to be there right Rob love Rob won't even played to PoE to he plays like
What he plays for the four hours he's sponsored for and then he goes back to D4. I'm like man
We need to get this guy. We need this get this guy over here. He loves the elbow man. What can you say?
I was like, hey.
Like, pogging out D4.
I bet, I bet Robin would he love that D5 announcement?
They're probably playing D5. They're probably, they're probably rating to go play D5 right now.
The pre-alpha version.
The free free alpha.
Yeah, are you going to play the Starcraft shooter in five years, whenever it comes up?
I guess, yeah, I guess I see where I'm at in five years.
Sure.
I was like 20, 30, I'll probably be dead by then.
I'm going to retire at home by then.
Oh, my God.
My god, yeah, I was up 2029.
Yeah, they said they even said spring spring of 2029.
Like, how do they have it nailed down that much?
Yeah, it is curious.
You have it like pretty much almost exact date.
Honestly, they could delay them all, but they could just say 2029.
Like, OK, then it could now it's like actual spring like 2029 or whatever.
I mean, once they announced the last double for expansion at games award, right?
What's a games award?
What was that song?
I forgot.
Wait, what did you last year?
Remember last year when they shadow dropped Paladin?
Was that when they announced the expansion?
Yeah, I think when they when they shadow dropped the expansion, didn't they announce
Lord of Hatred coming out in June 1st or whenever it was or are you talking about something else?
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. They shout out, drop the Paladin and they go,
oh, Necro is also coming or something. Wait, somebody is saying that, uh,
Swift is saying that the, uh, spring of 2029, is that the PS6 release date?
that. But I think it's a
great. Because didn't so many
have that leak in that meeting
where they had like all their
plans for. Whatever 10 years in
the future. People already
like cross referencing that
screenshot with the spring of
2029. Is a Diablo is Diablo
Yeah, yeah
Dude the internet is so smart. Oh, yeah, are you good if I add Gazi to this?
Yeah, sure to talk. Yeah, sure
Okay, dude. He was he's part of the main D4. She was he was on the reveal to start
Yeah, I see I got killed by Uber Lilith. Oh
She was tough back then. All right, let's get gas in here
Gazi's there. Oh
He's actually, and he's sick, he has a fever and he's there.
Oh, he's sick, that sucks.
Let's see, I called him.
He had a certification.
Yeah, him and I had a war of words on Illidan last week
and he had a 102 degree fever and he was screaming at me.
It was fun.
Wait, it's levels on PS5, right?
I think so.
I didn't have a PS5, but I don't have Diablo 4 for it,
but I'm pretty sure it's on the cloud.
I know it's taking like Diablo,
like Microsoft, whatever, Xbox, like phone stable as well.
I was wondering.
Dude, we need to get Gazi to call us on his phone
and then turn on his phone and live stream
and take us around BlizzCon. That's what we need.
The live stream on BlizzCon.
I said I added him, but he didn't.
Yeah, he didn't join.
Okay, he's too slow.
D4 is on PS5, okay.
Is D4 PS5 a cross play?
I know for PUE, I'm pretty sure PS,
this place is a cross like a PS or PUE 2.
Well, there were, so I remember like,
whenever you're getting disconnected in Diablo 4,
that if you uncheck enable cross play,
then it like reduces your lag significantly.
Yeah.
But then wasn't there an entire scandal?
I think it was with Path of Exile
where if you bought MTX on PoE anywhere else
that it wouldn't transfer to Sony
because Sony didn't get their cut from the shop or something?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it is.
It's a PS5 or PoE 2.0 cross regression.
It's like a separate account.
The Sony wants to do that.
Yeah, that's another shares. Yeah, that did not win them over any fans. Yeah, share Xbox though
Yeah, Microsoft played nice and didn't they announce something about the switch something's coming to the switch
But Diablo
Yeah, or was it Diablo for they know something's good. Yeah, Joe Shelley was holding
Yeah, yeah when he walked on stage switch
Oh, yeah, Mike check Mike check
Gassie, what's up, dude?
Good.
What a shit show.
Dude, what was the reaction there, live on the floor? Were they like, God?
Let me walk you through the ceremony. They talk about Heroes of the Storm,
and I'm just so confused why there's so many people shouting.
I didn't even know Heroes of the Storm servers were still running.
I'll be honest.
But apparently that's big.
Then I was just sitting there shaking my head.
It's the only thing they could have done that can quote unquote save the franchise.
Because the other four has the same problem Bolsen have.
The name is just Tardish. It's fucked. It's over.
D4 bet forever. That's basically the take, right?
And that's not going to change.
So this was the only saving grace.
True.
What was the...
Tell us about the atmosphere there.
How did people feel about, wow, how did people feel about like Diablo there, like, have you
talked to any content creators, like, give us the ground level intel here.
I mean, so far there's been a whole lot of nothing.
No one's saying anything.
You guess all the panels, what rights?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have to.
They basically didn't say anything except that the girl in the rights said, gave
us some information, but mostly it was just nothing.
Oh, the Diablo is a developed character, great.
He has voice slots. Oh my God.
He was a bad guy. I learned that.
He's bad?
He's the right guy.
He's the dictator of the world, apparently, because the heroes before us failed.
We got the story, and then they just kept reiterating all those things with different
colorful words added to it. It's so weird.
The only screenshot they show is that one inventory with a couple of items, and that's
like it.
I was writing all of Vax. It was so funny.
I was writing to Kelly, right?
And I wrote them from POE.
So as soon as that window came up, I'm like,
that looks exactly like it.
I just sent that message.
And she just found it up.
Lamar Rax just said, that looks like POE.
I knew it was going to be POE.
I corrected myself.
Like, I don't know if I'm stupid.
That's exactly what I said.
I said the inventory is identical to POE.
But then I thought about it some more. I'm like, wait a minute.
That inventory is identical to Diablo 2.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So I was like, okay.
So that, that wasn't like a fair criticism.
They're just taking the inventory from their original game.
Also the gear as well.
It's the same, uh, same gear where it's like no pants, belt, chest,
amulet helmet, like the same standard, like Diablo 2 gear set up
that Pee Wee also has.
100% yeah.
Pee Wee is thinking that from Diablo 2.
So I mean, obviously we're like, I just love it.
I love it as much.
much more to react to. And you watched this as well. I think that's me, but yeah, it is
the two for sure. But I had to know, man. It's weird.
You want to hear something about the itemization that I love that I saw at D5, and this really
shouldn't matter. And this might show like how petty I am. But I really strongly disliked
Diablo 4's inventory screen because it's just two columns. It's a column of like
like helmet, shoulders, whatever the hell it is,
chest piece, boots, da da da da da.
But the way that it has been outlined in D2 and PoE,
it actually kind of looks like where it would go
on your body, and I think it's much easier
to not carry digest.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, 100 cents, 100 cents.
Yeah.
Do you pick up on that?
Sorry.
It's the same as the items having
different inventory sizes, right?
Like the bow is different than a sword, than an amulet,
and all that's just the same.
Yeah.
If I can correct in D4, everything's the same size, right?
Like, there's only two sizes.
Everything is one, I think just one slot.
Yeah.
Did you pick up, I think it was Joe that said
that they were contemplating adding stat requirements
to gear and I'm like, that's a great idea.
Go back to how you guys had it in D2
and, you know, emphasize those things.
People love that.
People have that in DUE and any other game
instead of like D4's idiocracy.
Everything that's bad with D4 is don't do that.
Why not just do it good?
And they're like,
we don't know if we're gonna have that requirements to get.
Like that's a great idea to add that.
There's nothing wrong with that, just do it.
Yeah, like along those lines,
Bob Gunn and I were talking about this earlier,
but so the Diablo team is good at soliciting feedback.
They're good at asking for it.
I actually think, contrary to popular belief,
they're good at listening to it.
Like they'll sit down with you
and have a conversation about how to fix something.
The, I think 100% of the problem is in the implementation.
Like it doesn't matter if we get a cool idea
or a bug fix two years later.
So they need to give people a closed alpha key in 2027.
They need to let them play the entire game for 300 hours.
They need to get a bunch of 20-page documents
with thoughts about the game.
And but then they need to implement them
before the game comes out.
So it actually feels good to play.
Here's a fun fact.
You remember a Spirit-born playtest?
I had a really good conversation with Brent Gibson.
And I offered him to set up a team to play test for D4,
to have a third party to play test their stuff
and go through it.
And I'm talking hundreds upon hundreds of hours,
like several weeks of actual work
to play test the shit out of it
and get them like big ass documents with everything
in terms of the third party feedback.
And he was like, like you said, they're very good listening.
And I had a very good conversation with him.
It was very interesting.
I wish you definitely look into it
and see what we can do with it.
And then he said to go through out of pleasure with it.
And then after that, it was like,
it took months upon months upon months before I heard back.
And I was like, I poked him on that once or twice.
Like, okay, are we gonna do something about this?
So I actually wanted to begin to succeed,
like most of us.
And then after eight or nine months, they were like,
yeah, no, we don't really see the benefit
didn't go with it. But now you're saying the same thing. I was talking about Gibson about
about two years ago, whatever it was. I think they need to do it. Like straight up, like,
that would help so much. But the implementation is still a huge problem in the end, no matter
how much they're listening. And then they kept saying on the panel, oh, we're going to make
the game designed with the feedback from the community that it's just PR. That's the
problem with it. It's always been exclusively PR talk. It never goes well, or it hasn't
gone well rather. Maybe they'll turn the ship around. But, you know, we said that we've
hoped and said that they're surely going to turn the boat around for D4 for two years,
and they never did. And, you know, they crashed and burned that over and over, and they're
saving graces to say, well, let's just add a new title instead. You know, I was offered
to do some interviews and stream from the venue, and I was like, that sounds good.
And then I realized, like, I don't really have anything falsely to say about D4.
before we knew about D5. So I turned down everything because I didn't want a birdie to bring you
sitting there being like, yeah, so this sucks.
Jesus Christ. He has to get a savage over here. I feel like a lot of people will say,
I think we all want D4 to be an actual real game with actual sick content,
but they just need to like actually prove it again, right? Because they haven't proved it
to the years.
As Gazi said, when he opened up the call,
I actually think this was, even though it was surprising
and it felt awkward, I think this was actually the only move
to try to rebound here.
A lot of people would view Diablo 4 as a success.
It's definitely a financial success.
And there are a lot of people that log in and love to play
it, I guess.
But in the grand scheme of things,
like people always say like,
oh, Path of Exiles gaining, gaining, gaining on Blizzard.
It used to be just Blizzard, but now,
now PoE, PoE2 you could consider the best ARPG out there.
And then last epoch is there as well.
And I was like, well, none of this would have ever happened
if Blizzard just continued delivering excellence.
Like they would just still be crushing everybody
because the Diablo franchise name is so powerful
if they had just kept crushing everything.
But I think in some ways,
definitely the launch of D3 really hurt them.
And I think Diablo 4 was even worse.
I think in order for them to have a chance
to really rebound and take control back of the ARBG space,
they have to make a new game
and they got to do something different.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's funny you say that
because D3 is what made Poe 1 popular.
And I think D4 helped to poach huge popularity.
Yeah, yes.
Yes, yes.
Chris Wilson talked about that a lot.
Like Chris Wilson has credited Yavl a lot for it
because people that are very casual
and not really the veterans like us that grew up playing
ARPGs as we were younger,
the newer audience didn't do that.
So the Yavl being as big as they are in the marketing
and everything to push in a new player acquisition
and all that shit made people buy a spend money
to buy themselves in to play in the genre.
Not the game, like they bought something to play in the genre.
That was me, Diablo 3, my first RPG.
And I probably went out playing P.O.E.
without ever playing Diablo 3.
Yeah, and like that introduces players to the genre.
And then the longer you play the Diablo game,
the higher the chances of you encountering someone saying,
you should try Pat the Vexel,
it's the better version or the better game.
And then you'll try Pat the Vexel.
And most people that are, you know,
veteran players are very into the 80 genre
then get hooked to PUE instead. So definitely, I have Chris Wilson's credit to D'Ambo a lot for PUE's
growth early on with D3 and I definitely agree that D'Ambo 4 has helped PUE to grow tremendously as well.
Yeah, it's like it's like when you're playing a chess game right and you're just lost like you're
down a piece and you're getting mated and you're like all right you're just looking around on
the board you're like you're looking for a move to just extend the game by one move and just
see what happens. I feel like this is really it. Let's YOLO announce step five. Let's change up the
open world. Let's change the itemization. Let's add a bunch of new classes. Let's launch with the
most classes. Let's stop making talents and just make five memorable NPCs that follow you the whole
time. And let's say we're going to have an alpha or a beta in 2027 and we'll take everyone's
feedback and implement it for two years before it comes out. It's like, well, I mean, that's
like that's like probably like the best possible movie could have made I guess
that's what they've done with well forever right they've had a bunch of
people that are like you know not just country of most of course from my
understanding I don't know exact details but they've done that with people
playing the well forever and given feedback direct feedback and it seems
to have worked that out pretty well like I I've said it before like I wanted to
go I've never been to BlizzCon but the main reason I'm here is because I
I was excited for Classic Plus and now I get to D5s left.
It's a win-win for me and that's how I feel.
My main reason I'm here is just to experience
the Classic Plus stuff more than the Outlaw.
Yeah, probably the whole crowd was there only for WoW,
to be honest.
Yeah.
They had the most advantage years.
Oh, dude.
The energy on the floor, sitting there in the audience,
it was a world of difference.
Soon as they started the WoW stuff,
the whole crowd went crazy.
And every other game, it's like a small portion
of the crowd was WoWed.
I think, I've left this feedback before in Diablo 4 and I think this is at a minimum.
I think this impacts everybody, but I think it impacts maybe the long term fans of the
ARPG franchise the most.
But I think there's a real problem with the dopamine of itemization in Diablo 4, which
is essentially the entire reason you play the game.
So let me give you an example.
So if I, if I'm talking to you and I say, FubGunGazzie, I, I was playing Diablo 2 today
and I dropped a stone of Jordan, or if I say, I dropped an arachnid mesh, or I dropped Tau's
amulet, you'd be like, oh my God, like that's such a godly, god tier item.
I, I form for that for days.
Or you go to POE and you say, I dropped a mirror today, or I dropped, I dropped
a rocky ass flow finally from eight aisles finally.
Now let's go to Diablo 4.
Hey, FubGun, I finally got the fifth piece of the set charm with a plus three to all of
my skills and it also had plus 10% bonus strength.
Oh, FubGun, I finally got a Tyriel's Might, but this time the GA was on a better stat
than the other one that you can get for free from crafting.
The entire problem with the game is when I sit down to play Last Epoch, I might find a red ring today or I might not.
If I sit down in Diablo 2, I might find a student of Jordan or no, or no, dada dada dada.
In Diablo 4, it's like, you can almost deterministically craft this items right away once you have the materials, which are very easy to farm.
How do you get excited with the itemization of Diablo 4 with the way the game is designed?
You know what I mean?
But how is Fub getting excited about mirrors?
Haven't you dropped like 200 of them already?
I have still not dropped a mirror in PE2.
Oh!
I'm ahead of FubGun!
I have one!
I have so many divine shots in PE2, I've not dropped a single mirror, it's insane.
Yeah, but...
Yeah, but I have over 30,000 hours in both cases combined and I've never dropped the mirror, not even a P1, not even an Affliction League.
That's the private zone, P1.
That's crazy.
But my mirror in POE 2 doesn't count because it was in the temple, like the 78th room.
I couldn't drop one in the temple.
I grinded that so hard.
But I bet I cheated more than you though.
So after I built the 78 room temple for an entire month, I had one friend who was an
AuroBot and then we brought four people to every run.
So I was doing a six player temple for a month and dropped one.
Yeah, I was doing solo.
Yeah.
I did not like the temple mechanics.
Hope that abuse didn't help.
Paul, today you're here.
Yeah, I know.
Houlton here.
Yeah, I made a video recently talking about bug abuse and what not.
I don't mention Houlton in that video.
I don't think that was fair.
His Houlton abuse was not a bug, it was just the poorly missed game mechanic that ended
up being capitalized on.
Yeah, Houlton is the same as like any other lean mechanic where you reset a zone, you
did the lean mechanic again, right?
It shows that it's really, really good for getting the sources, but it wasn't
like a bug or anything or like an exquit, it's just like you reset a zone, you
got to make a hack, that's how Peewee has always worked.
I'm not sure if you watched it, I wanted to point out that I don't think it was fair
of me to mention that because I know you get a lot of shit for the whole
this stuff. Yeah. And the whole thing is funny.
The funny part is when people are like saying, oh the whole this stuff, if you didn't
get a temple running, you were behind a currency, I'm like, the good thing with
The period is done now, the period too is done, a really good job from the get-go's.
I kind of segregate loot rewards to different sections of the game.
So everyone ran the temple and I just skyrocketed the value of the shit they couldn't drop,
which is a piss mechanic.
So you can make so much currency with a shit character doing a piss farming.
I barely touched the temple.
I made multiple thousands of divines, so you didn't have to do the temple to make
a stupid amount of currency.
People get so, you know, they turn the flaps on, you know, the race horse
So you just got that television going.
It's like the whole thing of nothing.
That was basically what people's perception was.
The biggest thing really.
Yeah, that's exactly as you said.
It's the segregation of interesting loot.
Not only saves them from economic situations like that,
it also makes you as a player feel like
your choices matter, right?
If you're like, oh, well, I'm gonna be an abyss farmer
and I'm gonna put omens of light in the economy
and ain't nobody getting these omens of light
unless they farm it themselves or they buy it from me.
It gives you like that old town feeling,
there's a blacksmith, there's the bread maker,
there's the farmer, like you actually have a purpose.
Oh yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I'm just saying.
It did make more currencies,
but it didn't make other people unable
to generate wealth, sorry.
I mean, the current period to end the game
is really phenomenal in that.
I feel like everything in the current period
the P. W. A. I think that's
a really good thing.
But you know what to any game
actually has a value of meaning
and everything was awarding the
current the core aspect also
like the cities and stuff
whatever, but the core answer
to P. W. A. Game. I really
enjoy because everything feels
impactful meaningful.
Now you form.
Yeah, see, guess what I
figured out about the gun five
minutes before you joined the
call.
Was a key is he's played a
big Julian hours of wow and
I was like, man, it's not very fun talking to Gazi when he has a 102 degree fever.
This guy is a fucking tyrant.
Oh, my God.
Actually, it's not going to work out.
Please don't.
All right.
Anyway, sweet down, but did you tell him about how we got to that position at the
beginning?
Oh, I would love to tell the full story, Gassie, but we better not re-open that one.
I think Gassie still drops.
No, no, no, it's a whole can of words, man.
Oh, don't cut off strings and dig it.
Holy fuck, man, it was really bad.
Not about us, but it affected us pretty badly.
Oh, God.
Yeah, I assume you're gonna play the oboe class and stuff, right, Gassie?
Yeah, I was gonna play today, but I decided not to.
We have in the lounge I can play like a beta version of Well Forever Now, so I'll play
something more, check it out.
It looks dope.
It was so funny.
I was sitting with my moderator in the audience and they showed the pictures.
And one of the pictures was like, they showed, I don't remember what they were showing,
but they showed two racials.
It was like something about war, war, damn it's a race, and I'm dead racial.
So yeah, even 5% chance to like lead change free.
But the two things like miles in terms of power scale difference is like night and day.
I'm willing to voice for the rebounding of ratios.
So it's like everyone is like, oh man, if you want to pee pee, you have to play like
undead and work, you know, that type of deal.
Yeah, because all the NBDL of those ratios are like stupidly overpowered.
They're probably bouncing very soon.
Are you talking about cannibalized and blood fury?
Well, it was a 10 seconds of immunity here in classic, it's like, what is this?
I mean it was crazy in classic, so I used to PVP a lot, Horde had the best ratios in
classic, they had the best ratios in TBC, but Rath was due to the meta, right?
Rath had the best ratios for PVP for Alliance, and then he went back to Horde for the
next couple of weeks back to Stuck.
in rap, he actually nerfed on that racial to where I should have quit on the trinket.
So it was no longer this.
Yeah.
I mean, humans got a free PVP trinket as the racial.
Yeah.
And you had a lot of poison meta and disease meta, which did worse can dispel as well.
It's like alliances skyrocketed because you have like these shadow plead stuff or
like a DK war, coldly pallet and stuff like all of those mass were easy to manage
if you were Alliance, and that took quite a lot of pressure.
The Beastly teams, Farmpew is still popular, obviously,
but a lot of the stuff got better for Alliance
in terms of PV for Racial.
And then he went back to many expanses after that.
But yeah, I mean, if you're playing,
we're gonna end up on a East Coast server, I think.
We managed to, I managed to persuade the boys
to go for a while forever.
But I mean, they're launching like the beta or something soon, right?
Yeah, beta soon.
Seriously, or Friday?
Yeah, something like that.
So I'm definitely going to be taking that for sure, right?
And then they have the launch happens a few days before Excel comes.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, and then I'm like, okay, but I can at least participate in the raids, right?
No, the raids open up two days before the launch is.
And most, if not all of us are gonna do some sub-atoms stupidity,
but we're gonna play the game for at least a month or two straight and not touch anything else.
It's like, what is happening? We're missing it.
Yeah, it's a very unfortunate time for us.
That sounds like I had to play the beta, because I played the beta and it seemed like it or not.
So I've heard some rumors from multiple sources.
I don't know if it's true or if they're fucking with me because they know me,
but I've heard from three different people working at Blizzard
that apparently I'm leaking this like because I don't have it's true enough.
But they said that a new class is supposed to be some sort of necromancer.
I think that a lot of people have been talking about that nowadays.
But three different people told me that.
And I don't know if the fuck it would be or if it's actually true.
Wow.
I have no idea.
Yeah, like that's the rumors.
I don't know.
It seems like that would be extremely overpowered.
I mean like already when you're farming and you play a hunter or a demonology warlock,
you already feel like an unkillable god with one pet.
So I mean, like the Thelgard literally kills everything and can never die.
So it's like between that and drain life, you're immortal.
But there are big balance in essentially every class, Rick, because every class is getting the talent you worked as well.
Oh yeah, oh yeah. So every class is having a big balance.
Yeah, but I don't know if it's true, it's just what I've been told, but I mean,
There's other people talking about something similar about it.
So maybe it is true, but clearly it's not coming for long.
So maybe it's a later thing.
I don't know.
Maybe they're just fucking with me.
But that to me was like, fuck yeah.
I know you're a minion player.
I got to play it, you know?
I got a picture somewhere.
Let's see how you find it.
Right.
So Cody sent me some pictures of the racial shit.
Yeah.
I have all the racials.
I can post it here.
All right.
He sent it to you.
It's a video, actually.
Oh, you can click it into your video?
Is it video?
Yeah, I got the same.
I'll post it in the chat when we're done here.
It's a video.
I'll have to watch it, but it will tell you
whatever everybody has.
All right.
Cool.
Well, a bunch of my friends are coming over.
Are you going to keep streaming?
Are you streaming, Gazi?
Yeah, I decided to just go live in the app.
and then everyone was like,
Rax will talk to Rax,
and I'm like, I'll send him a message.
If he wants to be joined, you guys might be busy.
That's what everyone was saying to me.
Rax will talk to Gazzy.
I was like, God, Jesus.
You guys want us to get married or what?
He has if he wants to say.
You should have seen us on Tuesday.
Gazzy's saying I'm the dumbest motherfucker ever
and Gazzy dies every pull
and I'm saying he's the dumb motherfucker.
It's like, wait, didn't you pull a 90-day-
I think I have a 99 on Illidan. I think I have a 99 average on Illidan. I've never not gotten a 99.
I'm looking. Well, you have both characters. Let's see. Where is Illidan? Oh.
I
See okay, let's not talk about your warlock
No, no, I know the council my bad. You just do 99 on either than in your warlock
The reason why I have the reason why I have such a shit parse on council is because every time the circle of healing
It's not going out. I turned to death coil lading the lawn. Yeah, I see you have a 90
You're sorry
Yeah, I know yeah
Shaman has rage fire cast and gear my shaman doesn't
Honestly, so does my warlock
My warlock's a fucking trash can too
I got some good good results on the race. I have like four fights left or something
I'm coming for you. I'm gonna try to take your 99s, but
But, uh, Fub Gun, are you still going?
Are you going to keep streaming?
I'm going to end soon.
I'm going to read someone else.
I'm going to read someone.
But fuck it.
I'm reading Gassie.
Let's read Gassie.
He can read IRL streams.
I'll be up like an hour longer, but I'm going to end soon, so.
All right.
Well, Fub Gun, it was nice talking to you.
Gassie, well, it was okay.
I mean, I talk to you every day.
Little less exciting, but no, I'm just kidding.
I love you too, there.
I think the fever was the leading cause of that World War three fight that that's okay. It happens
All right, these guys that's talking
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How do you even set it up?
You need someone to invite people, right?
I need some dedicated invaders.
Yeah, there was one jewel with four points of flame notes.
Maybe jewels are not good, sure.
From Discord or chat?
I mean, it probably has to be from Discord.
How does Steel have a setup?
How does Steel do it?
Give me some janitors, exactly.
Whoa, what's sold?
Everything sold overnight?
You're an irony, nice man.
Let me actually steal it, I still stream it.
He's still so long he is.
At steal, what's a good way to set up invades for a full time?
You still there in endgame, man?
What is he playing?
I need to find a class to play.
What class do I play?
Guys, what became meta in this hero suite, please?
He's just staring.
Holes and monsters.
That's pirate.
This doesn't even...
This doesn't feel as good as the other ability, but...
I like to look a butcher.
What is this class?
I guess it's more persistent.
What is he playing?
Nomad.
It's okay.
It's okay. Yeah, we're a Pp2 forms. I don't need to invite some forms. I didn't get ID.
I'm noticing distinct lack of charm stuffing my filter is probably too
strict.
It's not too hard to get too one bite into the blood pack it would just be the first
like hour or something would be pretty hectic wait what who wait who i don't want i don't
want someone i don't want i mean you don't want me
ruse the plane ruse like a whole gg build up dude ruse and non-stop grinding man what's he playing
What are you playing?
Okay, that'll be for now I guess.
He was in five builds and he loves this game.
What was his favorite build so far? Why is his name Halchizer X?
The pop pack was saying the first one to in front of us again, get your head.
Yeah, you're just sick.
I don't know. I mean, honestly, Vera in the boys are in full pack one.
We're doing a blood pack a blood pack is an SSF game mode with enhanced drop rates and it's gonna be like you know community so like I
Guess you will just trade or bargain gear with each other. It's the best way to do it
I don't have people usually do it, but I guess it's straight near each other whatever. There's no auction house
For this
We'll give everything to you.
All right, guys, fill the discord for it.
How can we sign up for it?
I thought I had to figure out what's the way to do this.
I'm going to make a dedicated discord
section for the blood pack.
Age doesn't work, no.
And it gives you like bargain, you know, like you just like, oh, you know, trade, shape,
one-on-one and whatever, because all the horrors are pretty easy to get in a blood pack.
The only items that actually have like real value is like end jugs and homelings, right?
All the horrors are generally easy to get.
I'm not some of a discord bot or as much work
Look at a thousand players that should be pretty easy to know by everyone
When they're a league no, oh, it's Phillip I need to go on League
I can't join theirs.
I don't want to leave again.
Yeah, Bob quit
Yeah, so it's message. I want to do a form so it was simply a forms with us
I feel like we can just invite anyone who wants to join just make a discord channel my discord for
trading and like talk about the blood pack and that's really it. I don't think we really need
anything else. Why are you gonna put it to you like a boundary to any game changes? Yeah,
it's just almost the same game, right? I had fun. I enjoyed Pv2, but it's the exact same
builds with the exact same ending game, so it's like not much to really do. We can do it
Invites to a
Discord as well
No invites to a discord we give like a channel for invites
But I want to stick paste this up in the channel. We have like a couple cool helping out
Alhine a valhime my plan was to play Valhime with former but former still playing pui 2
You look at a duo Valhime content, which could be a fun. Oh, I went for former to be done with pui 2
We're looking at some two days ago and then quit.
And when you saw sushi, my staff, it's probably like a thousand of lines now and I've heard
for more. She's got three monkeys. She's a four man party. I define class I want to
play though maybe do it tomorrow. I don't know what I want to play in a blood pack with
like meta.
I'm gonna gamble now.
Just don't play demon spawn.
What's the cap plan?
What's this?
Gunner, Joan, Marksman, but what are you scaling to?
Not just Gunner, Joan, forever, right?
Is multi-shot good?
I saw Rue play a multi-shot to start and that looked that good.
Is it actually good now?
So like an end game multi-shot video someone has I want to see it when I saw a multi-shot
I don't look that great.
So like I mean the choice there is no matter though right like once you have 100 billion
dps in this game you do everything in the game anyway.
I want to get that clear right I'm on clear speed.
Yeah, but Rue has like, didn't really like in St. Angelics, like he had like full G gear.
Yeah, he had angelic and holy, yeah, he had like full G gear.
He has Soul Collector, dude, he has the dice box, he has Annihilator, dude, he really has full GG gear.
He had a full GG character.
Yeah, and once you get to this point, sure, it's OP, but what before this point?
I could play pirate again. I don't know about pirate. Dude, pirate is sick.
I can't show it leech.
Cute Asian boys expected, it's not me, it's real too.
Is it level and butchers, AIDS?
Who has the, is there any end game
butchers I can see?
I need a carry to the whole 40, you know.
Okay.
Mid game gear.
Looks okay.
Bertil's on a Po2, which is S11.
It's like a big BV, I guess.
Is it a permanent BV?
Every seven seconds
Yeah gunner drone is spawned I did play gunner drone you play gondron last the great huge dude
How what does this come to our fur know though, how is your fur know skill in?
Playing Amazon
We're just mid.
Whatever, it's all clear.
It was 13 days ago from traffic.
He has an angelic weapon, so his character better look sick, right?
Like he has an angelic weapon.
We need a K-Angelic weapon that would cheap as hell.
We need Aimbot.
Is it hard to get Aimbot in Blood Pack?
I feel like you can sell Farmer, right?
Nellstrom profit.
He's in 10.
Always in Necro.
Always in Necro looking.
It's a mail from profit gameplay not play profit that is bait okay
My brother has a new place for sure. It's gonna be a thousand hardcore gamers
I define who plays well I'm just gonna invite everyone to start and see if we reach a thousand or not
I don't know if we will reach a thousand players. I have no idea how many people interested in playing
Yeah, but Canada is a dedicated U.S.E. community, right?
My community, again, sure, some people play U.S.E. each year.
Everyone plays U.S.E. each year.
Can I say a po-tee for me?
Yeah.
I did find a build I want to play though.
I suppose we can go fire for inferno for 20 monsters.
A, M, P, E, T, Yelp, that's what I run then.
I need to find a place myself to play though.
I don't think I want to play this pirate again, like I love pirate, but I want to just pirate
again.
It'll pass this one.
I'll say spot. I'll say a spot for us. So your body is there. I want to play right.
Musty login here is each. Wow, forever. Is it in on to end of this month. I don't
or flicker.
Well.
Leaks are tech. What is it? Serod.
Your siege.
Mr. Angie White, what is this dude?
you. What is it? Is this like yogurt? What is this? What is he put in? What is that?
Hello?
What is cork?
I never even heard of it in my life.
Cork's a daily product.
Hurdle and change to a soft creamy white cheese.
Yeah, I'm gonna get some of my soft creamy white cheese
later on.
But there's no way this is good man, what is this?
I've never heard of Quark before.
Hey, he's also playing the game or standing his hideout.
Not playing the game, man.
Forgot to annoy it.
Nice one.
Assemble, bud.
He crossed that crossbow yet? No.
He got all positive.
Actually surprisingly the global you guys stayed the same, but yeah
That's the belt off stream I define a build to play we go to look tomorrow
So I'll play store stream around like 6 30 to 7 then we'll start the blood tactic 8
You know by people before you start right?
So we can invite a bunch of people and all at the same time.
Yaka.
Is that a new heroes each lead? No, I'm doing a blood pack, which is essentially a private league,
League, but it has like a bonus loot, it's just all bonus loot and it's like GSF.
Get more drops. It's really fun. If you want to play musty, it'd be a good time to play.
Yours is a very, very fun game.
We're going to have a thousand slots, hopefully that's enough, we'll see, we managed to increase
the limits, we'll have a thousand slots, 1,000 yeah, yeah I got the fuma, I think it's current
Potulia, yeah, I think I am.
How do we sign up?
I'm gonna make a,
I think I met,
I'm just gonna make a channel and discord for the blood pack
and have a separate channel for invites.
I don't know if you could help me out that invite.
I'm gonna use some odd janitors.
You join us, Astor.
My arms is going by. Yeah, I can make some, I can make some officers.
Yeah, I need some jannies in here.
You're driving me to EU?
Yeah, you can join from any country.
You join the blood pack and play your own server.
It's like PUE.
That works exactly like a pan of exile probably.
It's one-to-one identical how it works pretty much.
E5 is so hype, I can't believe it's E5, man.
This is a current class, bots open,
and the heuristic is not sure.
He's also from Gamma, but yeah.
This is Spark.
Other beginner friendly build guys, but again, yes.
I'll link it in, I'll have it at the top in chat.
There's like two good websites.
It's like here's huge builds
and like Mississippi Cards website.
And there's a bunch of nice beginner builds there.
What about that? It's tattooed D5. Let me get another tattoo. D5. Guys, D5 blank, blank,
What is that?
It's okay to go blind and try to progress.
Yeah, Hero's Siege has free respects.
So, like, you can just try to do your own thing to start.
And if you mess up, just respect.
It's free respect, so you're telling everything.
So it's forgiven if you mess up.
This hero siege is a pay-to-win, no.
The only thing you can buy in hero siege is like, Stash Tabs, and like, there's like four
payable classes out of 25.
You only need to use the default classes.
not playing non-peer-win games.
Are you like a shame ball?
I don't wanna pick a shame ball.
This.
Yeah, well your character had a heart attack. That's the issue here.
Oh, he died too.
They announced D5. Yep, D5's announced.
The base game, good enough, yes, must be.
The base game is good enough.
You get, there's like 20, it's 20 to 21 free class and like four or five paid classes,
but like I only picked a few classes in that game.
You also, you really don't need stash tabs to start either.
The only stash tabs you need in that game are auction off stash tabs, which if you're playing
a blood pack, you don't use auction now, so, yeah.
I hope I got on the spotter enough.
I don't know how many people are going to join, how many people are interested.
I think they gave P we to a nice time in two point. What do you think to produce going to come out 2029 2.0 P. We two
We joined tomorrow or now. It will be tomorrow. I need to create the blood pack and then message
FUMA to make it a thousand.
I need my some you and discord you got muted bud
I think I find you
You are muted I got you
Do she want to play here see here, but I think so in P. We are
I mean, could I accept the battle pack now?
The blood pack, whatever.
Let me ask if he's there.
pack.
Signed up. Yeah, I guess I should put the sign up stuff. I guess I should make the discord channel first and stuff.
I'll set it up to stream. I'll set it up to stream.
I'll have a dedicated discord channel for the blood pack and like invites.
Make a channel, yeah, make it like your own separate category.
The Cura's each blood pack, whatever.
I was going to hang out with the wife.
Yeah, the wife can wait, buddy.
My leaks are on the level five demon hunter.
Yeah, I'll hang out with your wife.
I mean, I had a phone with P2, like I said, I don't like hate the game. I had phone with
P2. It's just, it's the same builds, same end game, nothing really for me to push for,
It's a cocaine and my fun
That job a mirror now is my final ring count
10000 of onions one here in course we did get a lock we did get a lock
I should buy a lock, it'll probably go up anyway.
No, I've never got the mirror and Pb2. Mirror than Pb2 is so rare.
I did a bis a lot at this event.
expedition. Gamba. Yeah, cute dog got two cute dog got three mirrors and he had less
divine drops than me. I was at 15,000 of mines on my temple ring purely solo
gameplay and I still did not have a mirror. It wasn't the same. That's before they made
mirror is more common. Yeah, keep your eyes
looking as fuck. The superior player.
All right, so I think their plan is we'll start the goon pack tomorrow for
your receipt in your first time player you can join.
Heroes are just pretty fun. You've never played it before.
I don't know if we'll fill out a thousand slots or not. I guess we'll find out.
Was it blood packets of private league like Pee Wee?
What time? I think we'll start at around like 8am my time. So that's PST West Coast of the United States.
I'll try again. We'll go to sheet earlier and start to invite before we start like 8, 8, 30 around there. We'll start.
Sub-Skip Fri-O, if he didn't win.
You're a sage blood pack.
Invite command.
Guys, don't do invite command.
Let's do create channels as well, X, BP, general chat.
Let me rename this too. Edit category, here is siege, blood attack.
Why is the first message is Serata typing what?
So for here you go.
Let me go make one more channel, BP, create a channel.
for you enough. General chat, training channel and invites.
I voice an idea, though.
All right, I think it's about it for me today.
Yeah, I guess we'll start the hero siege blow pack tomorrow.
Yeah, we'll play that.
I might check out the well stuff.
What's the well stuff?
Is it like Thursday or Friday?
I might check it out.
It's kind of curious.
Wow, beta classic.
The last one is it?
Now, check it out.
The beta suffered a while, classic stuff.
Well, forever.
What is it start?
Does it have the time here?
I don't know when one comes out.
It's there.
At the top.
I see number four. That's the official launch.
It wants to beta.
Go to piracy check out Mrs. Sleepy on YouTube. He's a lot of like beginner stuff or gassy. No, grassy. I don't know.
September 17th. Okay, it's like a.
There's a.
Yeah.
Graxity.
How do you find your account ID?
It's in game, you left click, top left,
and then you do what, inspect will be right there.
Game menu as well, yeah.
Yeah, my blood pack here was used tomorrow. I'll see you guys then and don't go to this leak had my fun
Well, am I you have to be up eventually?
But yeah, we are starting the variety art until oh
Exile come on I guess
the po the Bob gun variety art
We don't want 3.3 now.
I think 3.3 is so cooked by the way, because now 3.3 is going to launch in November, and
that's going to be both the WoW Classic Plus thing and GTA 6.
It's like it's really going to be cucked so hard in player base.
Well, there's a massive overlap between WoW players and chewy players.
Mirror 1 Classic WoW came out and it completely destroyed the late league and PUE 1.
Like, this is a pretty big overlap.
What is that a remake? What is that?
I mean, I honestly feel like Gigi showed you like the Poe 1 league at this point.
It's so cucked.
Again, there's Delta coming out, there's the Wild Classic Plus and GTA 6 all November.
Like the Poland League is entirely coked with its launch date.
I don't, yeah, I don't think it's just launch in November.
I don't know if it's Xalkon, maybe.
Are they doing boosts to raise a blood pack?
Yeah, of course.
The plan is to have everything boosted but damage.
We'll all be the regular damage, but we'll boost everything else.
That's the plan.
Yo, Sandstorm, can you give me some builds, man? I don't want to play.
We'll be some nice builds to play.
I'm going to boost MS, but not boost in damage though, no damage boost, no talent boost, just
MS and loot boost.
If I have a PE2, I'll say D5 is the newer game, therefore it's better.
D5 better than PE2.
You can boost loot in the blood pack, yes.
You get like you get bonus loot, which is pretty cool. Look SSL. Dude, I wish QE did a P1 had that
I would play GSF so much more imagine a P1 and probably you can have like boosts of the rates
It'd be so fun
Damn 3.23 wait what?
No, you can't do it in Po2, it goes huge.
If it looks shit, okay.
All right, I'm out guys have a good night. Good day. Good morning. We'll start up tomorrow.
Yeah, PGs.
The GoonPack starts tomorrow.
Yaw Low Five, prepare yourself for the best ARPG.
I'm literally ending my stream right now, guys, I appreciate the rate that I'm out.
Yeah, I'm going up BlizzCon though.
What is Karn doing?
events. BlizzCon. WoW forever. These co-setters are at the P2 settlers like quarter to 2027.
Yeah, I mean if I enjoy it I'll play it. So I'm going to try the beta for the WoW plus stuff.
If I enjoy it, I'm like, yeah, sure. I can play casually over time on stream.
You know, I hate the time I do I determine though they I wish I could stream it but
Launchers turn X all con and the rates come out during to launch so it's it's so cooked
Look at the Pope later
Let me check that my server, my mod is on permission to pin, my mod is on permission
to pin.
Mods.
In.
In.
In.
In.
That's pretty good.
Wow, forever.
It's going to be there forever.
PoE forever. Diablo forever.
I feel alive forever.
I can make a car, I'm sure.
Alright, peace out guys.
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