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02-19-2026 · 7h 11m
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I am being patronizing. I don't know who the fuck you are and you're over here chirping all the way from fucking London
You want a fucking free pedestal, but also simultaneous. You're talking about both sides. They're fucking fine. Shut the fuck up
You don't know anything. Okay, who the fuck is this pink hair twink?
What's going on everybody? I hope everyone's having a fantastic evening afternoon no matter
where you are in the world. I'm Hasan Beggin, this is Hasan Beggin, I'm broadcasting with
you live from Raney, California, Los Angeles folks on stolen land, convo land. We're live,
we're live and I hope all the boys, girls and MBS are having a fantastic one because
Today's a beautiful day. Today's a wonderful day. Today is going to be a rainy day.
And you already know it's going to be a rainy day because I've F already.
I've actually lost connection a couple of times, um, but I'm live. I'm alive.
And I hope everyone's having a fantastic one regardless. Um,
this is part of the broadcast where I tell you about my personal news.
It is February 19th, 2026. And, uh, yeah,
we are we're live. We're live. We did the, uh,
Land acknowledgement. We did it all. It's 11, 24 am Thursday, 19th February, 2026.
But I hope everyone's having a fantastic one regardless. Through the Fs, we're going to make
it. We're going to survive. We're going to thrive. We're going to have a wonderful time.
This is part of the broadcast where I tell you about my personal news about what's going on
on to the world of San Jose on a bike and between the time period where I press the
stop-streaming button and press the star-streaming button so help me God that's
precisely what I'm gonna do recovered from getting mugged by Bernie Sanders I
could never I could never recover from getting mugged by Bernie Sanders and
personal news wise I went to Toddex 30th birthday last night my my little baby
cousin is now 30 years old is kind of crazy because I feel like when I first
met him he was like such a he was a little baby and now he's like a grown adult man um it's pretty
crazy so uh but i did i did a little bit of of uh tasting uh the rainbow i had a pizza this is what
is known as a korean pizza apparently shots out the teeny kitten for ordering it um and uh yeah
Yeah, it was very interesting. It's got potatoes, corn, and the most like fake sour cream I've
ever tasted in my life. And yeah, no, the soundbar's still here, by the way, obviously,
and some chives as well. Is it as nasty as it looks? It actually wasn't that bad. It's
It's embarrassing to admit, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, but yeah, I had that, and then it was obviously my man's birthday.
He said, Oh, Thompson.
Yeah.
Peter knows Turkish.
But, you know, is this person a streamer? Yes, he is. Not even a streamer. He's a legend, dude, that we Peter Park the Spider-Man. Yeah.
Um, is Peter a secret Turk? Yes, Koreans are secret turks.
In any case, folks, folks, folks, that's what I did and then I woke up this morning, woke
up this morning early and I did an interview with Semaphore.
I did an interview with Semaphore about media and media related issues and stuff like that,
So that'll be out, but that's the reason why I'm a little late because, uh, you know,
we just kept chopping it up.
We kept chop, chop, chopping it up.
Um, but, um, that's all I got.
That's all I got for today.
Uh, as far as personal news goes, nothing else going on in the world.
I've just been like heavily, I've noticed myself.
I have noticed myself getting to that point where I'm tweeting too much.
And I think you guys might have noticed this as well.
And I'm probably gonna have to delete Twitter
from my phone again.
Let's be real.
I have the playlist,
but thank you, Thamaceus, for the playlist, regardless.
Because it's just, I've been tweeting up a storm, okay?
I mean, look at this.
Like, I woke up this morning,
I woke up at 5 a.m. this morning,
and the first thing I do is tweet.
That's like, that's bad, and that's not good.
I mean, I've tweeted so much this morning.
like people are apparently, uh,
this clip really exposed what lives on Twitter.
I've been complaining about Bernie clock that a song trying to beta clip from
embashing news and the supporters recent crash out this past week.
Like these guys on ironically can't see the world, uh, as anything,
but like their own personal drama.
Um, but like, you know, I shouldn't be fucking five hours ago.
I'm tweeting.
I'm tweeting five hours ago.
I got to log off.
I got to log off.
All right.
It's not good.
First step is admitting you have a problem.
How dare you ask a journalist a question?
I know. Um, when you get addicted on Twitter rooms, my four you page for like a week and
I start seeing the most unwell freaks of my timeline. I've had to block like 10 people
already. I know. Cause like I do cut out with some of the worst people. I do cut out with
some of the worst people out there and, and you don't want to see those people, you know
what I mean? You don't want to see those people on your timeline. You don't want to know that
they exist. I'm tapping the glass left and right. I mean, I had a, I had a, you know,
forth with Brian Tyler Cohen last night as well. He was mad at me because I criticized
one of the, I criticized one of the chorus guys. I said like chorus funded creators
need to stop doing shit like this sort of Israeli asset. I was just saying all chorus
creators are sort of Israeli assets. Just this particular one is like very clearly behaving
like an Israeli asset. And Brian Tyler Cohen got really mad at that. Obviously we'll talk
about that as well, but, you know, that's neither here nor there. Let's blast off.
Let's get right into it. And then I'll talk about that a little bit, and we'll move on
because there's a lot of news to cover in general. We got Israel surveilling or Israel
setting up the surveillance for the Epstein manner. New drop side reporting shows. I didn't
even get to talk about, uh, Tucker Carlson getting detained in Israel. Uh, we have that
as well. The petto cabal wants Iran, prison, Andrew arrested, FC net Israel doing surveillance
on his manner. Adam Mockler, convo on where we go from here. That's another one that we're
obviously going to be talking about as well, uh, hold on. Yeah. Adam Mochler, combo, where
Where we go from here, where we go from Mademoiselle Combo on, whether lives and left can unite
against fascism.
And where we go from here, I get in now.
www.touch.tv slash Hasanavi. What is this? We can't onboard the working class of critiqued
GDC state of the SA-25 report. I saw this. I don't know what the, I don't know how big
of a problem this is. Anyway, do we have a blast off meme? Do we have a blast off meme?
Or do we have a blast off meme? That question. Oh, am I dropping a little bit? My internet is
ass. Okay, we'll use this one. Oh my God, it's like not even downloading fucking clips.
That's crazy. I'm having a hard time downloading shit. A little brief stutter. It's raining.
You just know that it's gonna happen. Just know that it's gonna happen. Know that there's
gonna be some F's here and there's gonna be patchy. Just get used to it. Get ready for
it will come for you no matter what you know what I mean anyway here is the
blast off one drop of rain I mean it's not even one drop of rain let's be real
it's actually much worse than that right now it's raining pretty bad and you know
what that means that spells doom for LA infrastructure ID on the hat is from the
same company to do the rooted GW puff piece on a GQ puff piece on
clav is the ADL going to say something the ADL is not going to say
anything on clavicular until clavicular says something about
Israel. Okay.
That's, you know, it's just what it is liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal liberal
Happy fun, la, la, la, human smuggling, fit, mildest, force government euthanasia,
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That's where we're at with the state of affairs.
Yeah, um, we will be talking about the, the Etsy files, just like outright.
Uh, say the surveillance system in one of his New York apartments was feeding directly to the Israeli consulate. We're going to be talking about that. It's pretty crazy.
But, um, my current vocal stem, by the way, yeah.
Bro, if you look at the bottom left corner, it says 47 and light rain is not light. The rain is pretty crazy.
Meme from yesterday.
Before we get started, last time, I was supposed to give you a Japanese Communist Party pin
that I got in Japan and I still forgot to bring it today, so I'm instead going to give
you an evil eye.
So I'm going to give that to you.
I'm having a hard time taking this off.
All right, well, you give it to me later, all right?
Okay.
Oh, yeah, let's take a photo.
Nope.
All right, we'll leave. Okay, great. All right. Keep up the good work. All right. Thank you. Nope before we get
Is the real clip this is close is as close as the the real interaction as you can get I'ma be honest like
Nailed that social interaction. I did not nail that social interaction at all. Let's be real. Okay
Unk was not impressed grand unk Bernie had a no for you fam. Yeah, he's he's never doing a fucking long one
He's never doing a long one with me
It's cooked. It's cooked. It's cooked. It's cooked
You were nervous and all balance no, it wasn't it wasn't that I was nervous
You missed the hot mic after the interviewer was like I'm not wearing that no I didn't miss it
I was there. He said I'm not wearing something. I don't know what it is. I
Don't know why he hates you so much. He doesn't dude. It's Bernie. He's a curmudgeon
like I was there I heard him say it. I feel like the burning team wants you to keep, wants
to keep you at arm's length. I'm sorry man. No, no. You have like five minutes dog every
time I know. It's, it's frustrating. It's frustrating because I want to do, do you think
he should have went harder on news and I was a bit disappointed. I mean, look, he's just not
going to go hard on anybody. He doesn't do that ever. He doesn't, he doesn't do that ever.
And can we stop doing five minute interviews? What do you want me to do?
fucking not have a conversation with them like I'm gonna
I'm gonna uh, I have a I have a method here. Okay, like there's something that I'm trying to achieve here
And it's uh, it's there's not like a
There's a pathway here that I'm trying to to build up to
you. But yeah, Bernie Sanders didn't even attack Biden. Okay. Like, as a matter of fact,
one of my biggest criticisms of Bernie was that he's, you know, unfortunately not aggressive
enough against the establishment Democrats. So you do what you think is best, but I love
you. Push them on Israel next time. First of all, dude, like it's not going to happen
in a seven minute format in a six minute format. Okay. That's the whole point. I'm trying to,
I'm trying to do a longer sit down with him where we can tackle some ideas more broadly.
Anyway, can you do a dial-up sound when an F happens?
You won't be able to hear it because when an F happens, the stream Fs.
So it doesn't matter if I play a dial-up song or not, a sound or not, you just won't hear
it.
You got Trey Eastman retweeting your stalker heat now.
I sent your management invite for Bowden Socialists.
Yeah, that's not happening.
Uh, okay.
I do think your questions were too long and they are bad when at least a yes or no answer,
giving the opportunity to explain.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it's funny to imagine Democrats are waiting in line to talk to you, but you want
to talk to Bernie and he only gives you 30 seconds.
This is the second time he wouldn't give you more than five minutes and it seemed to be
so uninteresting your questions.
If we make time for Schultz, Theo Vaughan and others and be nice and invested, then he
can make time for you too.
In my honest opinion, politicians would be coming to you to ask me on your stream.
Politicians do come to me to ask to be on my stream.
I think Bernie Sanders sees it as a, a, a speech into the fucking choir.
That's what the problem is that his team is all Hassanabi heads.
It's not a problem at all.
But as far as his goals goes, I think he sees more utility in talking to the broad audiences
of not leftists, which I totally understand.
I mean, I do something similar as well.
It's just that, like for me, that five minute format is almost exclusive for like the same
soundbites that we've heard a million times over.
Chatter, you're being parasocial.
Bernie does not hate us online.
He doesn't really do live streams and he likes to talk to less established audiences yet.
Exactly.
So like that five minute format is not conducive to a long, well-thoued out, comprehensive
agenda conversation, right? And as much as I respect Bernie for everything that he's
done and what he means for, you know, modern, the modern socialist movement and have my
criticisms regardless on my differences with him, especially when it comes to like foreign
policy, things of that nature, their reality of the matter is, their reality of the matter
is like, they're still, they're still utility in those conversations.
Rural red state citizen here, any advisory on social stuck in the armpit of America to
make this world a little bit more liberal, make this world a little bit more liberal.
If you'll hold us off out here, join a local organization.
Anonymous, thank you for the 100 get the subs.
There could be a number of other strategies to do this interview, but there is an opportunity,
but is there an opportunity?
Yes.
But he would rather sit 30 plus minutes with anyone other than you.
Okay, you guys are literally doing the exact opposite of what my parasocial stalkers do.
You're literally assuming the absolute fucking worse.
It's not like that at all.
You need to calm the fuck down, okay?
Jesus Christ, Chatters.
83 month subscriber. We're talking about an 80 year old man. Okay. Chatters are being
annoying. What? A political figure? I wonder why he's a political figure? Is it like to
be on stream with the same chatters? Biggest contentious is him saying Trump wasn't business
as usual in my opinion. Yeah. The only issue that I have with his commentary from that
interview is literally that he will take the fight to establishment Democrats without actually
having those moments that will drive conversation. And I think that there is a, yes, 85-year-old
Senator Bernard Sanders does not have a personal vendetta against us on house. I'm a Pugger yet. You guys are being fucking stupid.
The, the, the issue is that
even with, even with Bernie Sanders's runs in 2016 and in 2020, if you recall, one of my biggest criticisms was
that he was not aggressive enough towards Democrats, towards like establishment Democrats at a time when like a little bit more heat
little bit more, if he was a little bit more contentious, I think that would have opened up
media opportunities. Youngroll, if you spam the same exact GeeseMag article one more time,
I think I'll definitely read it. Okay, I'll definitely read it like right now. I'll stop
everything that I'm doing and I'll just read the article. Keep spamming it though. Keep spamming it.
DSA Chatters, keep spamming this article. Okay, I want to see it at least like 61 more times.
I want to see it maybe like at least 50 more times. Okay. I need to see it
Keep spamming it, please. I'm not seeing enough movement in the chat. No one is spamming the article
Anyway
Yeah
Where was I?
I I think it was a fine interview in general
Well, the takeaway from the internet liberals is obviously idiotic and they'll try to make
like controversy out of it as they have.
And then that controversy will drive discourse regardless.
And hopefully we can make that controversy more productive by talking about like when
it's appropriate to actually call out Democrats or how it's appropriate to call out Democrats
that are doing fuck shit and standing in opposition to the goals that we have, because the reality
of the matter is like, there is a real, there is a real battle taking place within the Democratic
Party right now. And I think it's, it serves, it serves no one's interest to refuse to call
out people every now and then. And Bernie does call out people from time to time. He'll
just like broadly call out establishment Democrats. Um, he just won't, you know, name names in
general, but obviously, uh, obviously like he's doing a fucking, I saw some people say
Bernie didn't fuck with you wanting to tax a billionaires more. And I didn't know, uh,
what to say to that. Yeah, those people are fucking stupid. Like those people are stupid.
You don't need to take them seriously. They're incredibly dense people. Um, and, uh, they're,
their, their, their focus is just drama, right? Like their focus is like advancing a cause.
It's more, it's more so just like them telling on themselves, Bassan is five minutes to interview
Bernie Sanders and decides to use that time to try to get Bernie, the trash Gavin Newsman
gets awkward of Bernie's credit. He kept the civil. I hope Bassan learned a lesson here.
This guy fucking hates Bernie Sanders, by the way, these guys literally hate Bernie Sanders.
So they are now defending Bernie Sanders because they hate me more. Like for them, it's all
drama. It has nothing to do with like what Bernie is doing there at all. Okay? Which is
so fucking nutty. This clip really exposed what lives on Twitter been complaining about.
Bernie clocked that Hassan was trying to beta clip off him bashing Newsom to support his
recent crash out this past week. Yeah, my recent crash out this past week is what I was trying
to fucking beta clip off. Bernie clocked that Hassan was trying to beta clip. Fortunately,
Bernie's equipped and shot down this childless attempt. El Hassan W. Bernie. So, so what's,
What's crazy about this is like, what's crazy about this take in general is that like, I'm
trying to hear, I'm trying to hear him say, you know, what he thinks about like Gavin
Newsom attacking the, the fucking billionaire attacks that he's advancing.
Like what the fuck are you talking about?
Of course I'm going to ask him about Gavin.
Like I'm sure CNN did the same thing as well.
Right?
To which I reply with, he's in the state of California doing a rally to tax the billionaires.
I wonder why I asked him that question about Gavin Newsom, the Democratic governor of the
state who is currently trying to strike down taxing billionaires.
You people have the brain of a worm.
Okay?
And of course, like the Searchlight Institute is out, the knives are out with the Searchlight
Institute.
Like it's, I can't tell, I can't tell if it's like, I cannot figure out if these guys are
doing it specifically because they see like the left flank as a real threat to their establishment
power or if they genuinely have diluted themselves into thinking that like left-ranked candidates
in general are actually presenting a real problem in the elections and they're actually
going to lose to the fucking Republicans or something, because maybe some of them are
just like ideologically diluted, or if it's just like petty grievances in general, because
Like this is insane. The amount of, the amount of people that, the amount of people that
do this kind of shit on Twitter, it has, has increased in size, in frequency, in magnitude.
Not going to lie, I wondered that myself because Bernie didn't mention or lose the
Gavin Newsom by name or title. If you had been paying attention to the oligarchy tour
stop in LA, you'd know that and would have framed the question differently. It sounded
just like you wanted Bernie to join in on the petty ax grinding.
I don't know if you understand something, but I was there at the fucking oligarchy tour in Los Angeles
Okay
Kamala Stan Hillary bought all this shit like these guys it just they don't they don't understand why Democrats keep losing and I think
It's tough for me to look at what these guys are doing is anything but like wanting the Democrats to lose
But as long as they maintain
as long as they maintain their influence amongst the establishment Democrats.
Yeah, I saw this one too, but anyway, as long as they maintain their grip within the party,
within the party infrastructure, they're fine. They're fine with losing, it seems, right?
That's what it feels like to me, because that's what it feels like to me.
like, they just cannot live in a world. They cannot live in a fucking world where, you
know, a more left position is viable electorally. And it's ironic because that is actually what
I talked to with Bernie Sanders, like the left flank candidacies becoming more electorally
viable, the script flipping on itself, right? Because one of the arguments against Bernie
Sanders always has been false, falsely smearing him as someone who has no electoral viability,
his worldview being non-viable electorally, right? And that's precisely what we talked about.
That was one of the major points in the conversation that we had, which was that
the electoralism argument has actually flipped on its head. If you go out in the real world,
you see a lot of people from different backgrounds of lifelong Democrats actually saying people
like Bernie Sanders are the people who can defeat the Republicans, right? And Bernie agreed with
that. Like the electability argument has totally flipped for regular voters, for the regular
Democratic Party voters. But these guys are still running on, these guys are still running on the
old methods. I don't know how you can simultaneously complain to journalists, don't ask hard questions,
and also yell at Hassanabi when he's a person who's just in a position to ask questions,
journalists won't. I think Bernie cherishes working relationships, which is also why the
electability thing was bullshit, and also why he answered the Gavin question that way. Yes.
Trey Eason is literally being paid by billionaires to maintain the status quo, and others are
just defending sex best kick streamers. I think that's, it's, you know, part people who literally
are maintaining the bag for themselves by holding up the oligopoly from within the democratic party.
And then part of it is people that have like a personal agenda.
Looks like the chorus back has on. I don't think these guys are all chorus backed. I think they're
just like, I don't think these are chorus content creators. Some of them might be, but
But I think these guys are just like straight up delusional, like they are ideologically
invested in third way neoliberalism.
It's like baked into their identity.
It's like at the core of their argument, they legitimately think that something as basic
as Democrats have to run for things, they are not identifiable as a fucking party on
policies is actually a bad election mechanism, like a bad mechanism to win elections. There
is fucking nuts. I think it's cult-like. I think it's parasocial. I think it's cult-like.
I think a lot of what their anger and resentment towards someone like myself is actually pure
projection when they say like, oh, you're just a cultist. But then they get mad when
I'm not a cultist and I actually have moments of criticism for the politicians that I admire,
right? When they're like, how dare you fucking criticize the politician on the left that
I've criticized for years and years from the middle
It's very
Strange is a very strange way to operate. Have you encountered these people in real life?
I mean Brian Tyler Cohn. I've encountered in real life
He's a very cordial in the real world and I think he's even cordial on the internet too towards me
He's just like frustrated that I criticize chorus a lot
But I
Mean I do I do sometimes feel like I'm a fucking you know island out here
But someone's got to press a little bit someone's gonna have some tough conversations
Shit lips forget the positives are literal animals that need to be whipped or like a you're informing where the people are
You're informing them where the people are at that the base is not fuck with Corpo and wish you wash your dens
It's not only for I know for Bernie, but also staffers around me can disagree or ignore it
But that doesn't change the facts. I don't think Bernie is I
I don't think Bernie Sanders is going to change his opinions anyway, and it doesn't really matter.
I mean, he is a very powerful and very influential figure in American politics at this point.
And most of the people that are in his movement that identify as like Bernie Bros, or became politicians like even Zoram,
are outflanking him in their understanding of the world regardless.
And Bernie is at least nice enough to not get in the way of that.
Like, he is, he is, he does not shy away from endorsing and working with people who are
significantly further do his left on foreign policy, further do his left on like anti-Zionism,
stuff like that.
Like, that's something that I've always appreciated about Bernie Sanders, regardless of our differences
in opinion, right?
Like he understands that this movement is larger than he is, and this is something that
he's been committed to his whole life. And even if he has very stubborn positions that
are unshakable that he refuses to budge on, he recognizes the space that he occupies as
someone who is a figurehead in this movement. And he wants to push the country further and
further to the left towards a vision that we all agree on, towards a vision of a better
future that we all want to achieve. You know? I hate you. Okay.
Bernie, Bernie still young. He'll figure it out. I like this take. My B bro. It's all
good chatter. What is this? Do you see the Matthews on Zoran
interview. He asked about some of the same critiques you have of Zoran. This was before,
this was like, fucking four months ago. I think major, Bernie major flaw like Corbin is he's too
nice for his photos as a mixed message. Yeah, I don't think he should be going like super hard
against Gavin Newsom at all, but I think he shouldn't shy away from, he shouldn't shy away from,
you know, calling out establishment Democrats that are, uh, uh, offering a significant setback
to his agenda, to our agenda, to all of our agenda, not just me as a fucking content creator on the
left. I mean, like literally the agenda of the working class. And, um, and that is, uh, that
is a criticism that I've had for him, uh, even during the, the, uh, 2016 primaries and certainly
in the 2020 primaries as well. Not to say that he shouldn't fall in line and endorse the candidate
after the fact. At that point, you either have to shit or get off the pod. So if he's not going
to do a third party move and do a dirty break or something or a clean break at a time when
it's most opportune, then yeah, of course, he's going to fucking endorse the Democratic candidate.
like that's expected, that's totally normal. If he's not going to use the momentum of the
popularity he has to build a third party movement in 2016 or in 2020, then it makes sense to
endorse the candidates. But I'm talking about like in the primary system when he was very
clearly being unjustifiably attacked non-stop, there is definitely an alternative way of
dealing with that. And that alternative way revolves around, an alternative way that revolves
around like sometimes using the media's appetite for clash and drama to your advantage to get
your word out. You have a worldview that's well-defined, you've explored it and have
a solid understanding of what you want from your publishers just because Bernie and Nancy
have a lot of overlap with your driving desires. It doesn't really mean that they're a perfect
fit. This is how it should be, but instead you see a lot of liberals just tying their
worldview to politicians in regards to overlap they may or may not have. Yes, because their
primary focus is to ensure that Republicans don't win. And I understand that because I
care about that too. I care about that too, which we will be addressing and talking about
with Adam Mockler. Okay. Anyway, but the interview overall is like the same old same old, which
is part of the reason why it's not like it's for you guys is not like all that interesting.
so much more room for exploration with like I'm I want to know about Bernie's ideological journey.
I want to talk to Bernie about American foreign policy. How we more effectively
tie back American foreign policy to American domestic policy. I want to talk about the the
left flank momentum in a much more consequential way in a much longer better thought out version
of the conversation that we briefly have for five fucking minutes. So that's what I want to do.
And I suspect that like, I mean, we've done a longer interview in the past. I want to do an
even longer version of that. And I think I'd be down to just do it for my YouTube page,
like a sit down, rather than do it in like a live stream format, which I think he might not
be super comfortable with if we're talking about if we're if we're if I am to try to figure out
exactly why he you know if why we haven't done like a longer interview you and the guy in the
suit before the interview exchanging angle maxing pose and I can't believe you came out on top by
frame mugging him despite his height mug. Thank you. You mean, Alex?
The Dems have one main goal, which is to press the left. I don't think they have one main
goal. Not all Democrats operate in the same way.
Sounds like you want a strategy and tactics interview.
I want to build a relationship with trust further,
which makes a ton of sense.
Yes, that's like, that is like a big part
of what I want to do.
Anyway, where was I?
Where was I?
I don't like the lack of soundboard going on.
Yeah, he just cares about unity and treats it
like the edgy bread.
No, he doesn't.
No, he doesn't.
I'm getting it a little late. Have you talked about the fit yet? No, I have not. But, uh,
where was I? Where was I? Where was I? What was I going to talk about? Yeah, so like,
um, so there was no, there was no real opportunity to have like a longer conversation. Gavin Newsom
won't be a problem in the next few months. So in tax for the wealthy will be, he'll ask
you to lock in for that interview. Yeah, I think that a lot of these guys are just like
not really invested in anything but drama on the internet. And it's not, I mean, it's
fine. It's good. It's good that they're just invested in like petty drama on the internet
that they think like everything that I'm doing is specifically to advance like some sort
of like own on fucking cozy can't tweet or whatever as though I as though that is like
even remotely consequential or even remotely a part of my calculation. It's no it is it's
not a part of my calculation just as like squirrels assessment is not a part of my calculation
like I have a I have a goal here I want to I want to accomplish something and in an effort
to get there, I have to do what I have to do. So, I think, you know, people are going
to chirp. There's not really much you can do about it. Sometimes the chirping can be
constructive criticism. Sometimes it could be like hysterics, right? Sometimes it could
be petty drama and unproductive. And other times it could be like hysterical approaches
to a long, well thought out conversation in the future.
In any case, yes, centers are mad you even asked about Newsom, leftists are mad you didn't
physically assault burning for a stance on Israel exactly. But it's the position that
I am comfortable being in. If you are to my left or if you're ultra or anything like that
and you're yelling at me, it is what it is, you know, more power to you. I think you're
going to accomplish your goals. If you are a centrist who's yelling at me because I even
brought up any sort of friction within the establishment of the left flank of the party,
then, you know, sucks to suck for you guys, I think.
month another month goes by what is this you have no fuck you libtard imperialism
apologist democrat ass licking grifter says jaw the Kira you have no principles
and you are insecure and want to be white and ashamed of your church background
which explains your imperialist apologism and it's I mean this is true
I'm ashamed of being Turkish. That's why I am an imperialist. What do you mean Turkey is the second largest standing military in NATO
So I wouldn't be ashamed of that. I'd be I'd be riding for it. Don't you think?
Anyway
You have a heat lamp on kayak. Yeah, like a rotisserie chicken
I don't think so. I think a lot of people are just memeing.
Um, anyway, so that's like the, the Bernie side of the conversation and, and what the brainwrotted fucking internet, the, the, uh, brainwrotted internet means there's, uh, and, uh, there's a lot of people that are, uh,
Anyway, so that's like the the Bernie side of the conversation and and what the brain-rotted fucking internet
The the brain-rotted internet means there's and and centrist Democrats are like hyper-focusing on
I'm one of the organizing the billionaire tax and saw you for a quick sec was too shy to say hi
Oh, you should have said it
Had just the heads up some things in the water and Chad is being uniquely chat today
today. Okay, good to know. I mean, I kind of sense it, but it's all good. What else was
I going to say? What else? Oh, yeah. And then there was also the chorus side of the equation.
That was before the Bernie interview, but apparently I've pissed off Brian Tyler Cohen
a little bit. And it all started when this one chorus content creator was saying some
ridiculous shit on the timeline. For those of you who don't know, of course, is a dark
money funded, you know, DNC adjacent operation. There are leftist. There are, you know, there
There are people who are progressive, there are people who are to the left of the centrist
liberals that are a part of this, this like organization that offers financial support,
but they are funded, they are funded by some big donors, right?
Do with that information what you will.
basically the conversation started when I responded to Zachary Kirk, who I didn't know
who he was, and he was like talking about how like the far left used to love Jasmine
Crockett, now they hate her because they're racist, all this stuff, which I wholeheartedly
think is like unproductive in fighting. Right? I think it's an ineffective way to campaign
in general, it's what has led to the Bernie flank constantly being undermined.
The Bernie flank constantly being undermined with like a cynical deployment of identity
politics, even if like Bernie Sanders' message was supposed to be a uniting one rainbow coalition
style as he also talked about as well, shouts out to Jesse Jackson.
But and then I found out that he actually was someone called him out.
said, I'll bet this is about ideology.
Asking if Zachary Kirk had ever talked about Ilhan Omar or ever talked about Cory Bush.
And he replied to that with, I didn't support either one. And for the record, I strongly
support Wesley Bell.
Now, Wesley Bell is notoriously one of the worst Democrats and is directly an Israeli
operation, right? This is, if we're analyzing this as like someone who wants what's best
for the Democratic Party, supporting Wesley Bell is completely unacceptable, right?
If we're looking at this as class war, this person is an antagonist. This person is truly,
truly not invested in the interests of the working class at all. But that much is obviously,
You know, that is obvious, right?
If we're thinking about this from the perspective of defeating Republicans, it's a poisonous,
toxic, cancerous thing to be in support of.
Because Wesley Belford, I don't know, because of Apex, a million-dollar funding in the primary
campaign against Cory Bush, A-PAC punished Jamal Bowman and Cory Bush for being pro-Palestine
and being anti-genocide early on, a position that now the entire, the majority of the party,
80% of the Democratic Party now agrees with the principles that Cory Bush was defending
at a time when it was inopportune for her to do so.
A-PAC punished Cory Bush for being right too early. A-PAC punished Jamal Bowman for being
right too early, right? And A-PAC punished Cori Bush specifically by spending $20 million
in that primary race against Cori Bush by putting up Wesley Bell. Wesley Bell is one
of the worst, if not the worst, Democrat in office right now, okay? Truly, truly poisonous.
And A-PAC's influence is obviously still very important to address and discuss. For those
we don't know, APEC is obviously the major lobby for Israel. And basically, yeah, he got 8.5 million
from Israel. Fuck this dude, Zachary Kirk, second shit. So was Wesley Bell. I hate living in Missouri
because of them. Wesley Bell, for those of you who don't know, actually had, I mean, he's been very,
very, very unpopular. And, uh, he literally had his last town hall, uh, like a year ago
at this point, and he stopped doing town halls because it is town halls. People will be like,
what the fuck are you doing? Why are you so pro Israel? What the fuck's wrong with you?
And he basically brutalizes constituents at his last ever town hall and he hasn't done
town hall since then. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah. And Wesley Bell is going to be out this
year regardless, but it's, it's crazy to me that this guy is like openly put saying like,
i am associate i have no issue associating myself at a time unlike
the anti-israel position is is uh... on the fathomably popular especially in the
democratic party's base
these guys openly saying like i am in favor of
corporate packed
israel backed
uh... purely propped up by israel candidates
like was lee bell
to which i responded with course for the creators needs to stop doing shit like
this straight up israeli asset
this doesn't mean like every course funded creators in israeli asset but
this guy certainly is presenting himself as that. That was my argument here, okay? And this,
of course, frustrated Brian Tyler Cohen, who runs chorus. I think I'm going to have a longer
conversation with them at some point. Like I want to have a conversation with them about
like chorus in general, like what chorus is seeking to do, what chorus is trying to do in
general, but like any association with APAC is like electoral poison, even by centrist liberals.
So I think like this is not even a question, right?
So he said the funny part is that there are tons of course creators who like retweet follow support
Asan and his preferred candidates
But he would rather shit on the program because it's a convenient to have a boogeyman and feel like a victim
I don't feel like a victim at all. I
Don't feel like a victim at all
But I and I even understand the necessity for a media infrastructure to develop in the in the
Independent media side of things. I wish the funding structure wasn't so opaque by design
I don't like, you know, paying people for their opinions in general. By principle, I think like commentary,
especially on the independent side of media, should remain independent, right?
And so even if I don't agree with this on, like, you know, some of the aspects of chorus,
I understand why there is at least someone out there trying to, Hassan loves lying about chorus. What?
But yeah, I don't love lying about chorus, but my point is, my point is, I understand
why there is a media coalition out there that's trying to get funds to match up with like
the fucking, um, the daily wire, right? Cause the reality of the matter is, that's what
chorus is supposed to fight back against. Chorus is supposed to be like a, you know,
somewhat decentralized version of like what the daily wire is, right? Cause the daily
wire is like a institution, an instrument of the party, an instrument of the Republican
party. Chorus is supposed to operate as an instrument of the democratic party. Okay.
So I see utility in that in general, especially in this current media landscape, because someone's
got to fucking combat the Republicans.
But the difference here is that some of the fucking chorus content creators are less invested
in combating the Republicans and more invested in pushing out the left flank.
And unfortunately, the Democratic Party's consultant class also has the same exact interest.
So if the people that are giving the notes to some of the chorus content creators have
this ideological commitment to pushing out the left flank, not only like the left flank
candidates, which Brian Tyler Cohen doesn't have this ideological predisposition, he interviews
left flank candidates all the fucking time.
And there are plenty of chorus adjacent and chorus funded creators who also like, for example,
James Tallarico and prefer James Tallarico over Jasmine Crockett.
So I, I don't necessarily disagree when he says that there is like ideological division
amongst chorus content creators, but I'm saying as an institution, um, as a, as an institution
is or as an instrument of the party, if it's so predisposed with the goals of the establishment
wing of the party, okay, if it's so predisposed with like dishing out or fighting the battles
of the establishment consultants of the party, establishment wing of the party, then it's
going to be unproductive. And this is one of those moments like Wesley Bell is a grifter.
Wesley Bell is a packback. You don't want that stink associated with the rest of the Democratic
party, especially at a time when a pack is almost as unpopular as crypto is, right?
Like two things you should be staying away from. If you're a fucking Democrat, it wants
defeat Republicans is, I don't fuck with crypto, I don't fuck with Israel, right?
So when you have chorus creators that are reflecting these values,
it basically plays this role of making the entire institution look like that's what they're doing.
Okay.
I didn't agree with you when you were alive, but it's discussing that your widow and quote-unquote
friends are making AI videos of you pretending you would have supported Jasmine Crockett
months after your tragic death in front of millions.
That's funny.
So I hope that makes this clear, right?
I hope this helps people understand.
I have a much more reasonable position than people understand. And as a matter of fact,
because I have a much more reasonable position than people understand, a lot of people on
my side, on my left flank will consistently yell at me and they'll say, you're too naive.
You're too stupid. You don't treat people that are working with the establishment of
the party as like enemies, okay? I'm somewhere in between. I'm not anywhere near as conciliatory
to the establishment Democrats as Bernie Sanders is because I still understand that, but I still
understand that you have to work with Democrats as a whole, and caucus with the entire party
to get some sort of comprehensive agenda across, okay?
Brian Tyler-Costas, what's the stop you from building a program to support creators in
the ecosystem?
You know, our course includes left to the bros in a political career, no time to be a
part of the solution, just want to endlessly complain.
To which, I mean, that was the part that I think was like the most ridiculous.
So I did respond to that.
I said, I work with the program.
As a matter of fact, I work with multiple programs.
I work with the DSA, PSO, labor unions, and anyone
that will advance the interest of the working class,
whether it be community organizing, mutual aid,
even electing representatives that advance the agenda.
And that's because for me, it's not about the push
is not on the content side.
The push is on the organizing side, right?
I understand everybody plays a, I understand everybody plays a different role, right?
But the role I like to play, the role I like to play, or the role I try to play is, is
to foment an interest in organizing in general, create not groups within the Democratic Party,
create groups outside of the Democratic Party to push the Democratic Party in the appropriate
direction that addresses the needs of the working class.
Okay?
That's my goal.
And I'm pretty open about that as well.
But it's really interesting that like my haters will still go, all that you never mentioned
these programs on your streams, it's like there's no, there's no better indication that
person has not watched a single fucking second of my live streams like this guy said I don't
talk about these programs your streams are about 30% grievance against perceived enemies in about
70% anti-us anti-democrat anti-israel that last one is understandable I said I just interviewed
Bernie Sanders like 30 minutes ago congrats I consider this an improvement over your telling
trailing trans people that demarcats playing to shoot them in the head.
Like, it's fucking insane.
Like what the fuck?
The difference is that most leftist content creators aren't really motivated by back
the money's are
a check I
mean I
I that
There is a major structural hurdle
There is a major structural hurdle to launching any sort of media operation
That that people on the left cannot overcome. It's very difficult to like keep pushing through
It's very difficult to like keep pushing through and and creating an infrastructure for yourself that is
That is self-funded that is fan-funded
Okay
That is the
The the reality and it's a virtually impossible to combat the faucet of misinformation coming from the right
But I don't think, I don't think that the most effective way that the political agenda
is by going to big donors in the Democratic Party and trying to recreate Turning Point
USA, but Democratic Party style.
I know it's effing.
It's raining in LA.
It's effing.
in LA. It is what it is. But on that note, so why make an order to do this? Seems like grass is
the only real option. Fight the right by not fighting the left. Yeah. By the way, that account
is obsessed with you. Every post is directed in your worldview. I know. I know. There's a lot of
people, there are unfortunately far too many people that just like spend every waking moment
dishing out their political opinions as an expression of like combating against me.
Like these guys like this Hillary Clinton, this Hillary Clinton,
like they're doing the bro tip shit now, you know what I mean? They're like,
like, they're out here, they're out here like doing the exact same lines of attack that
the right have tried for years and years to use against me, things that I've addressed
a million times over. It's totally parasitic. It's totally unproductive. It's not something
that I have hidden at all. So I don't really know why like this is the only, you know,
This is the only thing that they know, which is, I mean, look at this guy.
This guy's just like consistently fucking talking.
Only a sociopath will apply a verse of painful shock to a sweet dog during a live stream
and then make a joke of it after viewers were rightfully alarmed.
Like these guys only understanding of politics is just like fucking being like, I hate Hassan.
This exact same cycle happens every single year, lol.
What triggered it to me, what I find to be interesting, what triggered it is like going
after Gavin Newsom.
They either want bros or not at a Democratic party.
These motherfuckers wonder why they lose, I know.
Like it's very strange, like holy crap.
What is this even, Hasan Piker?
Trying to do alpha male content?
Yeah dude, this was yesterday.
I'm still doing it actually.
Old news my man.
How do y'all not see he's a grifter?
Oh, I know he is, but I didn't know he tried this particular grift before.
BTC is literally hiding behind some co-
People are like, use a shi-
You'll just stop your fucking
Macrately calling out what they're doing.
Civil doesn't even
Look at all the good faith from shitlives.
I- I just, I don't know.
I mean, I haven't made like a full blown assessment.
But, once again,
Um, once again, from where I'm standing, it's like, I understand.
Oh, shit.
That was a full F.
That was a big one.
Gave some more weight like that again.
It's tough.
Is it, is it a totally cooked?
Can you guys see me?
Are we back?
I think we're back, right?
It was just stutters.
They're all trying to take you down on trusting them.
I mean, I'll fight back.
I'll fight back to the best of my ability, you know, but once again, I try to make it
as productive, like this pushback to be as productive as possible.
I think what I'm making it productive is by having a bigger conversation
You're in a arm on okay, it's read it's like not even loading my I can't even load fucking youtuber right now
I'm gonna cook. Oh wait it worked
They're intercepting you is on no more songbites. No guys hold on just just wait
Um, the more they trash you, the more it indicates the left's motion is just a stand-in for leftists. Yeah.
I do, I do think about it like that for the most part. Um, I think about it as like, uh, people feeling threatened overall about like what I'm, like what this community represents within the, within the party.
And I think some people, some people consider that to be dangerous because they think they've
deluded themselves in the thinking that like a Bernie Sanders style campaign will actually
yield a horrific defeat in the eyes of a reactionary base by Americans.
And I think some people think that, no, it actually won't be a problem, but it will actually
take their power away, their influence away within the ranks of the Democratic Party and
They're first and foremost fearful of losing their position of power.
Um, and there are definitely those,
there are definitely those who just are advancing a, a,
God damn the fucking internet, man.
Yeah. There are,
there are definitely those who are also advancing a personal grievance agenda.
Like there are definitely those who are just like so invested in drama so invested in what they're like favorite content creator tells them about like
How to do politics and how to do politics is always advancing drama
being smear merchants outrage merchants
manufacturing outrage in general and and
diluting the conversation
Trying to move the conversation away from like productive ideological differences and and what the best path forward is to
You did this you did that
I I have imagined that you are a bad person and now I'm going to do everything in my power to like
I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that like everybody else also thinks you're a bad person
It's a very stupid. It's very very stupid
Anyway, I digress let's get to some productive
Things that have taken place former Prince Andrew as a resident over a suspected misconduct in public office
This might come as a surprise to you, but in other countries, even if you're a part
of the fucking monarchy, you can actually receive some legal scrutiny, it seems, when
you are a part of an international sex trafficking conspiracy.
Second in line...
We don't know about that in America, of course.
...is arrested by police at his home this morning.
Andrew has been detained on suspicion of misconduct amid the growing uproar following the release
of those Jeffrey Epstein files.
police. We're going to have
a quick look at the latest
news. We're going to have a
look at the latest news. Rami
in Ocincos outside Buckingham
Palace with the latest Rami.
Good morning. This is a stunning
turn of events. What can you
tell us? Yeah, Yes, absolutely
stunning. Massive news here. The
arrest of a British Royal at
about 8 AM this morning. British
police arrived at the home of
Andrew. We understand that
involved six unmarked cars and
eight plain clothes officers,
in public office and that carries a maximum penalty of life in prison.
Photographed on all fours over a female in the Justice Department's most recent
release of Jeffrey Epstein's emails, Andrew Mountbatten Windsor was arrested
at Sondringham, the private estate of his brother, King Charles, about three hours
north of London on suspicion. Andrew, as trade envoy in the 2000s, shared
confidential information with Jeffrey Epstein about investment opportunities
opportunities around the world, including Afghanistan and Hong Kong.
In a statement, police confirmed, we have today arrested a man in his 60s from Norfolk
and carrying out searches at two addresses.
He remains in police custody and will not be named.
Andrew has vehemently denied any wrongdoing whatsoever since he befriended Epstein in
1999.
I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady.
Including knowing Virginia Jeffray, who accused Epstein of sex trafficking her as a teenager,
took her life last year. Today, her family released a statement saying that Mount Ben
Windsor was never a prince.
What?
Is that how that works?
Like when they take away your, your prince status, you're just never considered a prince at all.
It was simply known as a prince, but he was not a real prince.
I'm sorry.
But you cannot tell me that capitalism does not create an identical power structure to
monarchies when symbolic monarchies have more pressure on monarchs than American capitalism
does on its ruling class. What are we doing? America is literally a fucking monarchy, a
theocratic monarchy, but the religion is capitalism. The false notion that undergirds the system
that directly creates a structure of power for those in positions of power is meritocracy,
the myth of meritocracy. Instead of saying God has ordained you to be the king, to rule
over this land, we say meritocracy is real and this person worked hard and worked smart
and that's why he must rule over me. The lie that it tells people, the lie that it tells
the average commoner is that one day you too can be a king. Now, Monarchs didn't do that,
But that lie, I think, has given capitalism its staying power.
But how can you look at the system and think it's anything different than fucking feudalism
when American oligarchs are not being punished?
But monarchs are.
I mean, there's a whole-ass prince.
Now, I don't know how hard they'll get punished, but this is more scrutiny for a whole-ass
Prince, then this is scrutiny for a whole-ass prince.
Then we have offered our princes, our lordship, our elites.
He was stripped of all royal titles last year
and has been under mounting pressure
to testify in front of the US Congress.
How long did you learn about Andrew and X-Tay?
King Charles and Queen Camilla earlier this month said they stand ready to support the police
in their investigation. British Prime Minister Keir Starmer applied political pressure.
Everybody is equal under the law and nobody is above the law and it applies and it has to apply
in this case in the same way as- Yeah, not to your buddies though. I mean your buddies were
heavily involved too. Your besties, right? Fine, any other case.
So much pressure now building on Andrew, the former Prince.
Also of note, it's his 66th birthday.
Gail.
Thank you very much, Remy, in a sense of reporting from London.
We want to read now the entire statement from Virginia Jouffray's family.
It reads this, at last today, our broken hearts have been lifted at the news that no one is
above the law, not even royalty.
On behalf of our sister, Virginia Roberts Giffray, we extend our gratitude to the UK
Thames Valley police for their investigation and the arrest of Andrew Mountbatten-Winsor.
He was never a prince for survivors everywhere.
Virginia did this for you.
Let's bring in our CBS News royal contributor, that's Roya Nica.
She's a royal editor for Britain's Sunday's Times.
It is kind of funny to me though, that it's like we got dude, we got fucking, we have
CBS news as royal contributors.
Like we got CBS news on the royalty beat.
That blows my mind.
Okay.
That blows my mind.
What are we doing?
I guess it's good. I don't know, but like, I feel like more focus should be more focus
should be on potentially having a beat on labor. Maybe I don't know. Literally, we all
have royal correspondence on all the networks. Yeah, it's crazy to me. Maybe I'm too woke
for this. I don't know. Maybe I'm not cut out for this, but I just, I think like the royalty
beat is crazy, especially in America.
And I know that she's getting in position, even as we speak.
But Roya, it's really, we're very excited to have you this morning, because we all woke
up to this news, and I have to say, we're all still processing it here in the States.
I can't imagine what's happening in the UK.
Do you know yet if the king is going to respond directly to the arrest of his brother?
Well, good morning, Gail.
This is all happening very fast, but we have just literally this minute had a statement
from the King about the arrest of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and I can read that statement
to you now. He says I've learned with the deepest concern the news about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
and suspicion of misconduct in public office. What now follows is the full, fair and proper
process by which this issue is investigated in the appropriate manner and by the appropriate
authorities. In this, as I've said before, they have our full, wholehearted support
cooperation. Let me state clearly the law must take its course. As this process continues it
would not be right for me to comment further on this matter. Meanwhile my family and I will
continue in our duty and service to you all and that statement for the King is signed Charles R.
So that is the response. Extraordinarily we are due to see the King open London Fashion Week
eminently as his brother has been arrested this morning so that's just in Gale.
Yeah, I'm wondering, it was stunning. For us here in the United States, did you all have any heads up?
Was there any talk that this was possibly in the works? Were you all as surprised as we were here in the US?
There has been momentum building over the last few days, Gail. We saw yesterday,
I think, an accumulation of around seven or eight police forces getting involved. We also had the
involvement announced yesterday of the NCA, which is our national crime agency, sometimes described
as the British FBI. So there has been a feeling that police forces could no longer not look
at this very seriously and I think it has been moving in one direction. That said, to
see those police cars arriving at about eight of them this morning at the Sandringham estate,
at Wood Farm where Andrew is temporarily staying, is quite a moment. This is the King's brother
who has been arrested on suspicion of misconduct in a public office. The first senior royal
to ever be arrested.
Roy, it's Vlad. Uh, how do we, it's crazy. It is all, okay. One immediate comparison
here obviously is like how unimaginably powerful our, uh, you know, liberal capitalist system
has created, uh, uh, you know, veg, beacons of power that are equivalent to the lords
of the past, right? Under, you know, feudalism, 100% like we, like Elon Musk is literally
a God King, right? And what's interesting to me is that liberal capitalism is so, so
successful at, at creating a process that, that shifts people's attention away from that
indecent, uh, that indecent consolidation of power that is unchecked, that we will offer
kings and princes as the sacrificial lamb before we fucking approach a banker. Okay.
Think about that.
that. This motherfucker was a prince. Liberal capitalism is so domineering a force that
a monarch who is second in line to the throne will get thrown to slaughter before we touch
a banker that has done the same shit that Prince Andrew has done. It's not even a question,
Even people who work at the behest of those bankers, at the behest of that international
pedophilic cabal, people like Mendelssohn, who were directly aligned with Jeffrey Epstein,
who were working at the interest of American capital and international capital, those guys
don't receive this level of scrutiny. It is crazy. Think about that. We all understand
in our hearts as children that have been born into an environment where liberalism is the
monoculture, is the hegemonic, domineering superstructure. We know liberalism. We've
learned about liberalism. We know that it's an evolution away from monarchies. We know
monarchies are bad, they're undemocratic, we believe in the democratic process, but how is this,
how is this epsthe shit not causing you to realize that that consolidation of power that existed in
monarchies is still very much intact right now? It's crazy, we're all a bunch of fucking serfs, man.
We're serves with iPhones basically. We're serves that eat hot chip hot Cheetos and
We dilute ourselves into thinking that we've achieved freedom
We have not
We've diluted ourselves into thinking that we live in a just process where justice will be served and
Sure, maybe we have more freedoms in some ways. There's a court system that's supposed to be intact
There's a court system that's supposed to adjudicate evenly, but when push comes to shove and the very wealthy very powerful
Get caught with their pants down sometimes literally sometimes figuratively
No punishments come for them
If you are a regular working-class individual and you get caught with a baggie of cocaine
You're receiving a heavy penalty
If you're black and you get caught with a bag of crack, you receive an even larger penalty.
If you're RFK Junior, a member of the American royalty, you can talk about how you did cocaine
off of toilet seats and you're fine.
You're in fucking, you're the head of the HHS.
If you are Leon Black and you've been four years under legal scrutiny in and out of court
cases for all of the victims that you participated in this international sex trafficking conspiracy
with as a co-conspirator, you can still maintain your billions of dollars.
Nothing.
Nothing happens.
I mean, that's not a real just process at all.
That's not a real system of justice.
That's not abiding by the principles of the rule of law that is evenly applied to every
single person, that no man is above the law, it's bullshit.
These guys are still very much gods.
They're very much kings that live amongst us.
And we think, or rather, we delude ourselves into thinking that we can be like them one
day, and that's why the system is actually much better.
It's far superior.
But if you pulled yourself out and approached the issue holistically, you would realize
that there is fundamentally no difference between the feudal structure that we used
to exist under versus what we have now under liberal capitalism.
The only thing is the system defend itself a lot better.
That's it.
Have we heard anything at all from the Princess former wife,
Sarah Ferguson and his daughters, Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie,
and how they are perhaps reacting to this news?
But at the moment, this is all very neat,
we have not yet heard from the former Duchess of York,
Sarah Ferguson, all from Princess Beatrice, unusually.
It has been quite interesting in the last few weeks.
Sarah Ferguson, we know, has been abroad a little bit.
She has kept a very low profile as have the princesses.
Obviously, very difficult time for them.
It's been made very clear from the palace and from the king
that regardless of what Andrew McBathard,
Windsor May, may or may not have done,
and we must stress he has always denied
any wrongdoing in this issue.
But the king has always been very clear
to keep the girls close.
This is going to be a very difficult time for them.
Things have seriously escalated now.
Roya, the phrase misconduct in office,
what exactly does that mean?
I'm not familiar with that.
And what happens now?
Well, misconduct in a public office.
What does it look like, a guy next to her,
just like picking up gravel with a shovel?
What's happening?
There's various forms of it.
What the police are looking at specifically here
is the emergence of what the emails
in the Epstein files appear to show,
which is that Andrew Matt Batten-Winsor during his decade as the UK's trade envoy from 2001
to 2011 appeared to send sensitive, highly classified documents and information, government
information, briefing information on things like reconstruction in Afghanistan, on things
like investment opportunities around the world, from his trips around the world, from China
contacts to Jeffrey Epstein. And there is a suggestion, not proven, there's a possibility
that Jeffrey Ackstein may have used some of that information to his financial advantage.
We must stress again that Andrew has not been charged. He has merely been arrested on suspicion
of this and denies any wrongdoing. But if someone is charged, and if they are found
guilty of that offence, it does carry a maximum life sentence.
Wow. All right. Roya Nica, we appreciate you getting on the air for us this morning with
the breaking news. Thank you very much.
Thames Valley Police is able to provide an update in relation to investigation into the
offence of misconduct in public office.
It's no longer Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor, it's Andrew Mountbatten.
No Windsor, no Prince.
I see a path, I know you do too, Billionaires versus Solidarity, yes.
On Thursday.
Billionaires are functionally no different than the tyrants of the old ages, tyrants,
the monarchs, the fucking lords, right?
The reality is, they now have more power than even the symbolic monarchs do.
It's clear.
It's clear.
Under liberal capitalism, a billionaire has more power than a fucking monarch does, okay?
A prince can receive more scrutiny from the system, albeit symbolic, albeit as a sacrificial
lamb to throw some red meat in the face of the masses to make them feel like the system
is still working.
But it is clear, it's clear that Les Wexner, Leon Black, and even some of their more prominent
servants, like Mendelssohn in the UK, or even Kier Starmer, will receive less penalties than a f***ing monarch does.
Yeah, I saw this is what he looked like too, which is really funny. History repeats,
and it rhymes, but it also repeats. This is what I said.
And tell me the US doesn't have the same power structure as monarchs of the old when you have princes receiving more legal scrutiny in the UK than we offer our oligarchs who are just as compromised by Epstein.
This is the great lie of liberal capitalism.
Now, of course, the release, but I'm just saying like.
Like who who's gotten their fucking fingerprints.
Who's gotten their photos taken.
Who's been perp walked in the United States of America amongst the wealthiest Epstein
class?
Who?
In February, we arrested a man in his 60s from Norfolk on suspicion of misconduct in
public office.
The arrested man has now been released under investigation.
We can also confirm that our searches in Norfolk have now concluded.
We begin with the stunning arrest today of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.
We have late word that Andrew has been released after spending most of the day in police custody.
Police in Britain arrested the former Prince this morning.
We're just press working overtime, including Emily Matlow, who famously conducted that
train wreck interview with Andrew, fucking hate my country's media.
This is a pretty grave moment.
The reason I'm gobsmacked is because there is something very personal in this as well.
And we talk a lot about people's state of mind and health and all the rest of it.
And I suppose I do feel, I feel concern actually as I'm watching this story unfold.
Why?
that two things can be simultaneously true that it can have been a long time
coming but when it does there is somebody at the center of it and it is a
father and there are children. Are you fuck is what dude dude I swear to God
every British person is a chip in their brain I swear to God they have a surf
chip and it activated lady you cooked his ass you played a more significant
role in moving this along, then the average person did. Okay. And for that, I thank you. Okay.
I, this got to be out of context of something, but I just don't understand how this can be
in context at all. I don't. How can you be so servile?
Like what the fuck a pretty great moment size Emily Maitlis the same journals who once watched
Prince Andrew tie himself in the nons denying he can sweat how noble the sudden tenderness
for a man whose closest friends ran an international trafficking ring one almost feels for him
almost the real great moments of course belong to the girls who never got role protection
or a sympathetic interview on LBC priorities so that's this doesn't make any sense because
You know who else had fathers had sisters had daughters later down the line loved ones the victims
victims of
Andrew
Mountbatten
You know everybody's got family
The fuck do you mean? Oh, wow?
We have to offer our condolences and our sympathy to this like true villain if we cannot establish
establish that there are real villains, even in this like liberal structure that we exist
in, this liberal hegemony that we exist under, if we cannot say an international sex trafficker
and their closest associates are fucking villains, no one is a villain.
There are no villains at that point.
You know who the villain is?
You.
Okay?
If you are a rapist, as a working class individual, you're a villain.
If you're a rapist, as a king, as a prince, then you're a victim.
You're a victim of your own, you're a victim of the system.
It's crazy.
Offer more sympathy to people who have done wrong, not, you know, participated in international
sex trafficking of children, of course, but just like, you know, done crimes of circumstance,
engaged in crimes of circumstance, offer more sympathy to those people than you do to the
the fucking people at the tippy top. What are we doing? I feel like people's priorities
are completely swapped for some fucking crazy reason. We need to be more sympathetic to
the working poor that ends up stealing shit because they want to fucking feed their family,
whether it's a Gucci bag or not. It doesn't matter. You know what I mean? You can't, you
You can't sell the bread, bread can actually substitute for red, Gucci bags can, right?
I don't understand it.
I don't understand how you can just look at a system or look at victims of systemic forces
and not offer them a shred of sympathy.
But then you find all the sympathy in the end for a guy who is objectively like a straight
up comic book villain like so evil that it's comical almost unfortunately it's not funny
at all because it's real life and there are real victims.
She's saying that she has, she's reflecting on the moment of former Prince Andrew getting
arrested and thinking well this person is a father.
It's simultaneously true that it can have been a long time coming but when it does there
is somebody at the center of it and it is a father and there are children and there is
a mental health question and I suppose that's what's sort of holding me back a bit and saying
this is, this is a pretty serious moment, you know, it's a pretty, it's a grave moment.
It's not a sort of jumpy up and down moment.
No, of course not.
I think one of the reasons I'm gobsmacked.
What does that even mean?
What does that even mean?
I mean that makes no fucking sense.
What does that even mean, bro? Oh my God, the Les Wexner full deposition to house Democrats
on the Epstein files just came out. Whoo. Who remembers Emily Maitland sat in front of
a backdrop of Corbyn with a Photoshop hat and Kremlin BBC fine with that, but not with
her remarks about Cummings. Yeah. BBC is fine with this, but not her remarks about Prince
Andrew either. LBC, now she's at LBC talking about Prince Andrew being a victim of the
system. It's like, no. It's crazy to me that you could just sit there and say, what about
it with your posh accent on mainstream television on a mainstream news outlet and say, what
about the feelings of the international pedophilic cabal? What about it? Yeah, I don't care, man.
I mean, call me too woke.
Call me woke, but I don't fucking give a shit about the feelings of international sex traffickers
and members of the Epstein class.
You know who does, though?
And there is, like, elite solidarity there.
Donald Trump!
Here's what Donald Trump had to say when asked about the arrest of the former Prince Andrew.
It's not a good one Peter, what do you think?
I got a bunch about something big from overseas days
that are Prince Andrews, arrested by the police air,
um, related to something with Jeffrey Epstein.
Do you think people in this country, at some point,
associates of Jeffrey Epstein will wind up in handcuffs too?
Well you know I'm the expert in a way because I've been totally excited.
Yeah, I'm the expert of-
I'm the expert at being...
A participant in the pedophile class.
Pog, I call it, pedophile-occupied government.
I'm the expert of pedophilia.
Totally exonerated!
Have you been?
Have you been totally exonerated?
I don't think so.
I'm the least guilty man in America from the standpoint of pedophilia.
No one is less guilty than me.
It's very nice.
I can actually speak about it very nicely.
I think it's a shame.
I think it's very sad.
I think it's so bad for the royal family.
It's a very, very sad to me.
It's a very sad thing.
When I see that, it's a very sad thing to see it and to see what's going on with his
brother, who's, obviously, a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
to see that, see where it's at, see it and to see what's going on with his brother who's
obviously coming to our country very soon. He's a fantastic man, the king. So I think
it's a very sad thing. It's a real shame. It's a real shame that, that the pedophilic prince
is receiving a little bit of scrutiny from the legal system, just like a little bit.
He's out already. He's not like, you know, he's not going to remain in prison. I don't think, I mean, we'll see where it goes. But like,
There's a real shame, you know, I think to myself on the one hand, a pedophile friend of mine had to get, uh, had to get a little bit of interrogation today. And on the other hand, another shame.
South Korea, folks.
South Korea coming after they're calling him an insurrectionist. They're calling him an insurrectionist. They gave him life in prison. A real shame, folks.
President Yoon, the real president of my soul of my life, former South Korean president
Yoon Suk Yeol, sentenced to life imprisonment with labor for leading an insurrection over
his failed martial law declaration.
I will be demanding his release.
In the last year alone, the UK arrested his prince Korea said this is former president of the life and present Brazil sentences former president of 27 years, France sentences former presidents to five years, Peru arrested and jailed its former president.
The Philippines arrested his former president in the US our system completely failed unlimited part in power and Supreme Court's new absurd invent the causes of presidential immunity will only further protect presidential crimes.
I think the most unlikely bedfellow in this entire process has been the libertarians who are real libertarians, by the way, and not the fucking like
Only invested in lowering the age of consent libertarians who love Trump and love the fucking border wall and shit
But like the Cato Institute guys I lean on so much more than I ever thought I would even though
They have like fantastical narratives that they go along with where they say like we should just destroy the federal government or whatever
However, I cannot believe how much I lean into Kato Institute think tank guys and reason
magazine think tank guys as well.
It's, at least there are some people out there who fucking recognize how insane this system
is.
It's kind of crazy.
And yeah, I don't think the Philippines are the rest of their president, but whatever.
matter. The rest of the point still stands. Yeah, Matt Petty writes for reason and he's,
I think he's one of the best out there who has a different approach to this stuff,
but at least like he covers the madness. He speaks to my confusion where when I sit here
and watch what the fuck's going on. It was the RICC anyway it would be amazing if we
dedicate some time digging into the degradation of women and girls critical to the maintenance
of these systems who have all powers and money in the world and their preferred pastimes
raping and abusing us. We need to spend time talking about the patriarchy and the permission
structure of the degradation and devaluation of women and girls. I'm tired of focusing
only on the men. I mean, I'm going to keep focusing on the men that are doing the raping.
You're not wrong, but like, I think we shouldn't stop focusing on the men who are doing the
raping. You know? We should definitely keep talking about the men who are the rapists.
Especially, especially as long as they remain free. You know? They fucking remain free.
blows my mind. I mean, it's expected, I understand, but when I see the theories that I envision,
the theories, the analysis that I contribute to on a daily basis unfold in very real material
ways. In front of our eyes, it is still a shock to me. Someone who recognizes why the
American government does certain things, right? Like for years and years, I've talked about
imperialism and how America engages in raw material extraction at the behest of international
capital. And it's still a shock to someone like myself when I hear Donald Trump say
it out loud. Does that make sense? And it's doubly confusing when I see a client media
class and an even more surf-like working class approach the subject matter and still finds
ways to justify it, to normalize it, that turn around and go, yeah, well, it's good, actually,
that we're fucking invading Venezuela and deposing and kidnapping the president of Venezuela,
so we can, you know, secure all of the oil, oil barrels for ExxonMobil. It's like,
so you're fine with it. Like you're just, this doesn't even benefit you at all,
but you're fine with it regardless. Cause like someone's got to get dominated.
Is that what it is? Like what the fuck is the mental gymnastics here?
They are saying out loud that they are a pedophilic cabal that's ruling over you.
And for years and years, I've heard you, uh, engage in conspiracy theories about the
international pedophilia cabal and now that they're saying it out loud you're like actually it was good
Like actually it was good that all they needed to do was tell you what they're doing tell you what they're up to
How the hell do you look at all of this and go yes something how the hell do you look at all of this and not go
Something's got to fucking change. What the hell?
Mind boggling stuff. And there is so many new data dumps today on the Epstein files
that we are obviously going to get into. Insane, they're hanging a giant Trump banner
on the DOJ building full blown North Korea vibes. Okay, it's kind of tried to do the
buh, actually this America stuff in 2026, but this specifically has very distinctly
Mussolini vibes if it had North Korea vibes at least someone will be getting commissioned for a statue. Yeah
It is nutty they're like what the fuck is this?
And then they go here is one two here is one of the same brother
This is a banner
Celebrating the electoral victory
This is a banner celebrating the electoral victory of Barack Obama in the city that he's from.
Okay. That was their, their campaign made by Shepard Ferry. That was the campaign logo.
This is the Department of Justice building with a banner of Donald Trump's face looking ominous
with the words, make America safe again. This is closer to that. Yeah. What the fuck?
I mean, look, the aesthetics of it are alarming, but I am not one to care about form over function.
You know this, even though liberals do care about form over function. I care about the
function but god damn dude this is literally a one-to-one what the fuck
what the fuck brother what the what are we doing what are we doing what are we
What are we doing?
What are we doing?
Donald Trump is Hitler maxing.
Donald Trump is, is fasc maxing, okay?
And he's actually mogging the, the, uh, Lib cells.
Okay.
Donald Trump is, is Hitler maxing in and mogging the Lib cells by throwing up banners
of his face all around the fucking nation's capital.
Ah
Holy fuck
It's so cool that these guys are just like we're fascists and we're doing fascism and it's awesome
And we love doing fascism and there are still people who throw their hands up and they're like come on you're being so crazy
At what point does the pivot happen?
Because that's what I want to know. Because like, it's gonna happen, right? There's gonna
come a point where people start self-identifying as such. Because I know we live in the post-World
War II universe where like, there's still enough people that, while they subscribe to
fascism ideologically, they don't say it out loud. I know there are more and more people
out there like Nick Fuentes who are doing it, right? But like at what point does the major
part of the Trump movement turn around and self-identify? When that pivot takes place,
when that pivot takes place, when it comes to fruition, when it's just like people running
around being like, what's the problem with fascism anyway? What do you mean? It's just
is like, I'm sorry, we've had fascis in the fucking halls of Congress since 1776. Like,
huh, like that's, I don't know. I don't know if it comes before the minute. I'm probably
going to come after the midterms. I don't know what the midterms are even going to look
like at this point.
It's just MAGA. I'm mostly these fascism is 1900 shit. MAGA is today. I mean, yes, yes,
yes, but I'm saying like, when will they just sell ideas? Like this is the same.
You know, just have this conversation with my cousin, Mass went full off. He said Hitler
was right. And then I'm a traitor to my race and my nation. The conversation started with
him being made. Matt, he was called a fascist by his daughters. That's like that, that contradiction
is always so fascinating to me. On the one hand, they don't want to be called fascist,
but on the other hand, they're like, it's awesome. And we are, and all the previous
fascists were right. God's country, New Jersey. Oh yeah, New Brunswick, I know. The data center
in New Brunswick canceled tonight when hundreds of residents showed up in a fight. When we
fight big tech and private equity, we win. Yeah.
As it always says, they aren't Nazis because they are a mass killing opponent. So I'm guessing
They will start calling them that once they do it, I guess. No, I think it comes before then
Self-recognition of that comes before then what is this? You see the people working class people organize to fight big tech
And you're wishing upon a start that a millionaire will move to New York City. This guy's so awesome
I fucking love this guy. This is my favorite Twitter account the the unwashed anarchist guy with the fucking red
Triangle who's like, you know who your number one op is the number one enemy of the working class
Hassan Hassanabi Plaker. He just, his entire worldview is just like Hassan is my main op.
He is the guy. He is the guy. I have to kill him. Like in his mind, this guy thinks like,
no, once I kill Hassan, communism will be implemented. He is the only hurdle that is standing in the
way of establishing full-blown communism. I'm the final boss standing between you, the
working masses, and establishing communism. That's right.
Anyway, for real, though, there are a bunch of people whose introduction to the politics
was via someone from a farming drama on you. And now they honestly view all politics of
that lens. I know. I don't know how we snap those motherfuckers out of it. I think more
and more people every day snap out of it. Right? Like, they must, right? Because the
It's kind of like when Trump voters experience buyers or more, it's like they're totally
tapped in, they're totally invested in this movement, but then slowly but surely they come
to that recognition.
It's obviously up to us to lead them in a more productive fashion, to lead them to the
water, right?
But if MAGA cultists can snap out of it because their real world experience doesn't match
what Trump promised them, I think a lot of these other guys who are just like online
brain poisoned by people whose only expression of politics is like drama will also snap out
of it too.
Here's one example of this.
Rapetone and Israel's number one literally Israel's number one Vtuber Nooks Taku
We're talking about the chibi review situation and they pivoted from talking about the chibi review situation to talking about me
Oh, did you see what happened with TV reviews? I?
Did see that that's insane. I saw Hassan like
Basically telling him to kill himself with all of his empathy and leftist love yeah, no it's all or it left strikes again
Oh, you know what? I just think Hassan's the good guy. I don't know. He's so cute. Like what like what are we doing here?
Like you so cute the sexual pathology
They have to also bring up that for some weird fucking reason you couldn't make like a Disney super villain
Look more evil than Hassan does every single string he goes a lot
Guy who just got out of his like civil litigation where he was
You know found to be a rapist in a court
Saying I'm a Disney villain
Interesting.
I mean, it just makes the sense.
The craziest thing is, like, if I would, if they would have a super villain, like, be exactly like Hasan,
I would say the writing is terrible. This is unrealistic. No one's, no one's that evil.
Yeah, it would be. It would be unrealistic. What fucking super villain is fighting pedophilic rapists?
That would not be a super villain, big dog. That'd be something different, I think.
Oh, I keep watching all of these enemies, but it seems like none of the main characters are actually none of the main characters are behaving like pedophiles.
Well, I guess some of the enemies that Nooks Taku watches are literally ones where the main the protagonist is a pedophile.
Maybe that's why he watches so much of the weird lolly con shit.
He supports terrorist pedophiles and abuses his dog like there's no way.
Oh, did you see what happened to him?
Yeah, I said, why is the tolerant left not tolerant, the far right pedophiles who promote drawn
child sexual abuse material and rapist after the bald one admitted in the court, he farms
Hassan derangement syndrome. I thought his audience would realize that he's a grifter,
not so sure now. Sometimes I like to check in with this side of the internet periodically
to see what they're up to and they're still doing the same shit, but they must have lost at least
like some of their, uh, some of their, their, uh, audience, right? Like, have they, have
they taken a dent at all? Like when people like this are just, uh, outed or is the audience
just there because they're fucking, uh, pro rape and pro CSAM?
It's all bots a dent the audience is bots brother man
Hard to tell 90% of his viewers are bots or NPCs. Yeah, I mean, I just don't understand it
They actually get stronger like a Super Saiyan
Yeah
I just I'm I am a little fascinated by like people congregating and organizing along the
ideological boundaries of being a fucking pedophilic neo-nazi that does fascinate me
because it's like how can you subscribe to this personally like what has gone wrong in
your life in such a spectacular fashion that you chose out of an abundance of ideological
positions that you could have chosen. You could have just been like a regular ass lib,
right? La la la, things are fine. This system is great. You could be a anti-communist lib
or something like that, but you choose to be the worst version. Like, how do you roll
a critical failure on the ideology spectrum. How is that possible? The rape tribe always
resorts the vice signaling. The other rape is by attacking you. I just, but I, I know,
but like, do you not feel a sense of shame at all? Like at all, like not even a little
bit where you're like, you don't look around when you're organizing on the internet. You
don't look around though your allies and go, you, this is our movement.
These are our champions.
Like you don't question it at all.
I, I, I know that there's people in here who are currently too embarrassed to
admit that they, they come from that background, the legion of groom, right?
Like there are people, there are some people who are like self-admitted
groipers in the past that have realized that that shit was gross and disgusting.
they've luckily, you know, changed their minds. I just, I have to believe that
everyone is, is, they have kindness in their hearts at the end of the day and
it just, you just, the system breaks you down and you're most vulnerable if you
find a guy like Rape Tone who, who feeds you sweet nothings and says like, nah
Brother the real reason why everything is fucked is because like these goddamn feminist bitches don't understand like oh
They say I'm a rapist like that like that
Like maybe you're at your most vulnerable you get sucked into that or something
But like I still I have to believe that like everyone has the capacity to change in reform
You're describing the exact experience I'd upset. I doubt these people ever have that exact moment of reflection though. I do think they're a little more invested in being hateful than he was.
was. Like, I understand why, you know, people who are pedo curious like Nook
Staku will continue churning out this slop because they make money doing it,
right? Like, when you get to a point where you're literally making money doing
then it's very hard for you to turn, right?
But if you're just like a watcher,
if you're just like a watcher
and you find yourself in this community,
like how much appetite could you possibly have
for, you know who the real villain is?
The courts have actually found me liable
of doing rapes and domestic abuse to my partners,
but you know who the real villain is?
Hasan!
Like, how much appetite can you have for that?
How is it, how do you never pull out of that
and go, wait a minute,
why the fuck do you keep bringing this guy up?
What are you talking about?
You told me last week that he was in prison.
This week, I find out you're more likely to go to prison.
The fuck is this?
you told me last week that he was one million percent over this week everyone's
clowning on me saying I'm one million percent over for watching a canceled
ass streamer it's impressive that this shit doesn't drive you crazy bro I'm a
fucking endlessly stubborn guy I'm a resilient dude
But it's just funny because, like, he literally admitted in court that he's doing this because
it farms the lowest common denominator.
Like, that's what I mean.
How do you see that in your takeaway isn't, wow, I've just been duped, Tom.
Like why would you want to be suckered?
Why would you want to knowingly lean into a guy that fucking says he's pulling the wool
over your eyes, he's lying to you, he's grifting to you because he thinks you're stupid, he
thinks you're dumb, he thinks you're malleable and easy to manipulate, you know?
How is that possible?
And there are still his warriors that will come in here and be like, do you rape a girl
in Germany like a little girl?
No, of course not.
You fucking monster.
But what are you talking about?
No, the same guy who fucking admits that the same guy who had to concede in a court of
law, well not a court of law, but a civil suit, that he was literally a rapist, is lying.
Why would you believe the person?
Why would you believe his legion of groomer, friends?
It makes no sense.
It's one of the most liberating experiences that you can have, and I promise you there's
plenty of people in this community that have gone through this process, is admitting that
you were duped and moving on and shedding yourself of your past self that's holding
you back, okay?
It was a court of law inequity.
It was just a civil case rather than a criminal case.
Yeah, that's true.
It is a court of law, technically.
You know, I swear to God, like a lot of people would rather just have this fucking anchor
around their neck and live in this pit of despair where they just double down, triple
down and they go, no, I put too much investment into this, into this side of the world, into
this community.
And maybe they're fearful that the other side won't welcome like our side won't welcome
them with open arms at first.
But like, you know, there's going to be some growing pains for you, but I am a person who
will give you that assurance that as long as you make this improvement in your life,
I will welcome you with open arms.
Okay?
Others might not.
My community is not like that.
But there's always something that's like holding a lot of people back, especially on the internet.
And I think it's like fear.
It's ego.
It's the fear of change.
But I truly cannot comprehend how you could find yourself.
How you could find yourself in this community of individuals that organize around being
like straight up assholes, villains, rapists, consuming, drawn, child sexual abuse material.
It's odd.
I have a hall of shame image to show you how I was three years back and how I've changed
the last year seeing you. He lied on stream and people believed it. I got duped by entertain
when I was 20, Sag. See, this is what I mean. Like, there's obviously cultural forces at
play here, but people still have the capacity to change. One of the things that people have
to do when they are going through this change, of course, is to identify how they were duped
in the first place and to try and eradicate those biases that they have. And I send the
the anger link. I mean, you're subscribed. You can if you want to.
You are so right. When I was finally able to say I was lied to by the people I was
told to trust my whole life, I felt so free. Yeah.
I think some of this is due to age. When you're younger, you're more vulnerable.
When you're younger, you're more malleable, right?
You're more likely to be duped. And,
and when you get a shared sense of community, when you get these like shared
goals, and you, you find a place where you feel like you belong, you're much more, you're
much more susceptible to whatever the fuck they're, they're saying. And that's why I,
I cover, you know, right wing communities on the internet all the fucking time, right?
hall of shame. What is this? This is your Tate destroys Hassan. That's funny. No, it's not
of poof. So it's him and is my younger brother got duped and never came back. You can't give
up on people chat. I know it sounds impossible, but it always feels impossible until it's
done, you know. Your sweater is low-kirk kind of gay. Thank you. High-kirk. Maybe some people
don't think change is possible. Literally, someone posted a video of you today when Husky
was talking about the alpha male shit from many years ago and they think you're still
that same person. No, those are people who want me to be a villain as well. Those are
liberals who also behave in that same way where they're like this video from 14 years ago of a
satirical, a satirical approach to like bro style content that was immediately deleted,
like, that doesn't represent who I am as a person even shortly after its release, right?
right, but, uh, but shows my growth personally is actually a demonstration that this person
is a grifter.
The reason why people say that is because they want to disparage.
They can't have a conversation around ideological boundaries.
They can't have a conversation about policy.
They can't have a conversation about methods because that conversation is not going to
favor them.
So all they can do is just go, bad, bad, bad, this guy's, bad, this guy's, bad, attack
the messenger rather than tackle the message.
This is a very common technique that a lot of people use and part of the reason why they
use it is because it's a very effective one.
That's it.
That's it.
It feels impossible until it's done.
That's exactly what my girlfriend said to me about pegging.
I think like being kind to people in your immediate vicinity and not giving up on them
is more powerful than you would give it credit.
You know, that's all I'm going to say about that.
Um, all right, let's, uh, let's get into it.
So there's a, there's a bunch of different, um, there's a bunch of different stuff that
came out about, uh, uh, Les Wexner's deposition from the, from the house oversight Democrats.
Um, and it's fucking nuts.
It's like four hours of people asking him questions.
Les Wexner is the owner of L brands.
those of you who don't know, he's like the principal financial backer of Jeffrey Epstein.
And, and, and I mean, it's four, it's five hours, right? So we're not going to wash the entire thing,
but I'm sure there's people already like clipping different important parts of it
right now. And we'll parse through that. I'm going to, YouTube washes 2022. And now I try to catch
the streams. You pulled me out of the nasty roga manuscript when you ripped the annotated new one.
Thank you for making us young people feel less alone in our anger against those systems and
pointing us in the right direction. Hell yeah.
There are parts of this deposition that are off the record.
And apparently at the two hour and nine minute mark, they go off the record when Les Wexner
has asked a question about Jeffrey Epstein's relationship with Donald Trump.
How interesting.
What is it?
Two hours and nine minutes.
Let's see.
You know now, we can do something about it.
Oh yeah.
So Wexner claims, you claim that you cut ties with Epstein in the old seven length.
Okay.
But you emailed Epstein, quote, Abigail told me the response.
All I can say is I feel sorry.
You violated your own number one rule.
Always be careful, end of quote.
That was an email in 2008, Mr. Wexner.
I know.
I'm letting you know that the public knows.
Probably.
I was giving him the finger.
OK.
That's it.
Thank you.
Mr. Wexner, we're briefly.
Did the FBI or the Department of Justice
ever directly speak to you about Epstein or Maxwell?
Has the FBI or DAJ ever directly contacted you
or spoken to you about Epstein or Maxwell?
Never.
And then finally, would you consider Donald Trump and Jeffrey
Epstein friends or friendly?
Would you classify them that way in the information
that you have?
I think it's really two questions.
Would I think they were friends?
No.
Jeffrey Epstein held him out as a friend.
Great, thank you.
We can go off the record.
are you hello what do you I'm sorry what that's not suspicious what the fuck
I'm pardon maxing. Oh my God. That's weird. I love, I love the transparency, man. I think
it's, it's extra crazy to have that conversation off the record. Like that is the conversation
that is in the public's interest, right? Yeah, there's also this that came out yesterday,
which is going fucking Omega viral. A clip of Representative Ted Liu is going viral where
he confirms there are serious allegations of Donald Trump raping, raping children and
threatening to murder them. As well, he says this.
Donald Trump is in the Epson files thousands and thousands of times.
In those files, there's highly disturbing allegations of that.
So I think this is a little sneaky, cuz some of those allegations are not credible, right?
This is not me defending Donald Trump.
Some of those allegations are very credible, and some are not.
He's kinda mixing up both a little bit.
And technically he can say this without being hit with a defamation suit because of the fact
that they do very much exist in the Epstein files as allegations.
Donald Trump raping children, of Donald Trump threatening to kill children.
So I encourage your press to go look at these allegations and I'm highly disturbed that
Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blanche just got the law wrong yesterday.
He said, essentially that it is not a crime to party with Jeffrey Epstein.
Well, that's actually not correct.
If Jeffrey Epstein was human trafficking minors for these sex parties and you
show up and patronize the establishment.
Yeah, he is 100 right about this though.
Like this was right after Todd Blanche came out and was like, it's not a crime
party which every have seen it literally wrong it is okay it actually fucking is it is absolutely
a crime what the fuck do you mean like if you are party to a bank robbery you can't just turn
around as a your honor it's not a fucking crime to go on a joyride with the bros no it is a fucking
crime. What do you mean? You're accessory to a crime. You're a co-conspirator. It's literally
the opposite. You can't oversimplify this thing. Oh, I didn't realize, like when you're
conspiring to do a murder, for example, you can't just go, your honor, I was simply using
words with a friend who later turned out to be a federal agent that I hired to do a hit
on a loved one. No, you were, you were conspiring to do a murder. Okay. I love when Republicans
especially utilize this this oversimplified language to make things make sense to their dumbass fucking audience, but it doesn't work that way.
You can't absolutely do crimes with your voice. You can't absolutely, absolutely conspire to do crimes. You can absolutely be accessories to crimes, heinous crimes such as international sex trafficking or minors, for example. That's a crime.
at that party? Yes, you're guilty because patronizing is part of the law, the federal sex trafficking
laws. But Donald Trump.
Just reading the JMAILs and doing a miniscule amount of reasons is obvious. There are so many
named and known coca-spirited at free out there. Yes, yes, hundreds of them.
hundreds of them what dude how much longer until they start saying this is cancel culture
how much longer until people are like bro you were fucking party in which every Epstein
and you got mentioned 38,000 times are like oh this is guilt by association this is cancel
cancel culture folks stop with the cancel culture. Oh, fuck it up. God damn it. You have a sec
on or off stream. All my fucking God chatter. Take a day off. Okay. DSA chatters. Stop sending
me the DSA article about how difficult it is to organize the hundred thousand new fucking
DSA members. Okay. Stop it. Stop it. Zoran's mom went to one of those parties and she break
the law. No, you wanna know why? Because it wasn't one of those fucking parties, dumb
ass. Again, again, there's a distinction. There's a reason why not every single person
that has mentioned that Jeffrey Epstein files were receiving the same fucking level of scrutiny.
Okay? You understand? No, you don't. You don't understand. You're just trying to defend
daddy. You're just trying to defend Donald Trump.
If Zoran's mom was mentioned 38 fucking thousand times in the Epstein files and was known to
hang out with Jeffrey Epstein directly, personally, and Jeffrey Epstein was known to frequent
Zoran's mom's golf club, for example, yes, then she would be worthy of scrutiny.
She would be worthy of more than scrutiny.
She would have to receive prosecution, okay?
If Soran's mom lived next to Jeffrey Epstein, Soran's mom sent emails to Jeffrey Epstein
directly saying, Oh, I want to come to your fucking island. I have kids with me. Here
are their ages. Some of them are 12. Some of them are 14. I heard you like them young.
If she did that, then yeah, it would be valid to fucking investigate that further.
Just trying to clarify versus the blankest David that go into his parties was breaking
law. No, you're trying to debate Lord at the best of your favorite fucking international
sex criminal. Okay. That's what you're trying to do. We know what you're trying to do. Dumb
ass. Don't act like I'm offering a blanket. Fuck a statement. It's very clear what the
law dictates. If you are accessory to a crime, if you are actually participating in, in any
kind of illegal activity, I vote for progressive. Okay. I don't give a fuck who you vote for.
up oh my god people are such bitches I'm just curious brow brow you're making me
actually not want to vote for progressives anymore I just wanted to do a
little debate lording about like what the boundaries are of international sex
trafficking I don't care who you fucking voted for chatter shut the fuck up what
do you think that's a fucking shield all of a sudden oh shit this guy's this guy
votes for progressives I guess it's alright then I guess it's alright that
you're just like engaging in bad faith defenses of the pedophilic abalph by
bringing up shit that is utterly irrelevant. Come on man. Yeah, Zoran's mom
didn't actually participate in like a Jeffrey Epstein party. Jeffrey Epstein
attended a party that was thrown for Zoran's mom for the release of her new movie.
Were all the Diddy memes for people on the Epstein list? Yeah, that is actually kind of crazy.
I feel like the Diddy stuff, I mean, it's not like a Psyop or anything, but it's crazy that like the
Diddy stuff kind of made all this stuff meme-able and people don't take it as seriously anymore. It
feels like calm down as Ani low Megan enemy shatters no that person is already an enemy
came in all bad faith come on dude like not every I think you guys are confusing something
here not every single person that comes in and is like oh I'm a long-term community advocate
like and here is the most bad faith pro pedophilia cabal argument that anyone is ever
fucking heard that doesn't automatically mean that they're actually a fucking member of the community
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Throwin' bagels with the wall, thank you for the 20 gifted.
moon 22. Thank you for the thank you. You know, it was really funny. A lot of people that were like
haters of the soundboard are now demanding it. I feel like they, there were people,
I feel like there were people that first came in and were like, the soundboard is actually
diluting the seriousness of this fucking stream. Like the show is supposed to be like serious
political commentary. Some people were like, Oh, well, at least he has some joy in his life and
we should let him have that joy in his life, right? But now people got so used to it, they're like,
where's the fuzz at? Like, they're demanding it.
Jen Lyme, they give it 25 gifted. Ham and Fist, they give it 20 gifted.
See? As soon as I do the soundboard, people also pepper gift his subs, which make me feel like
you want more of it, okay? You want more of it, you want this.
May Allah awaken the people and help them to see the evil doings of Israel and the United States.
Ah, funny at first and annoying that I warmed up to it again. Suspension bridge effect is real.
I feel.
Hawks flock, thank you for the five gifted.
And Posit Chronic, thank you for the five gifted.
And Beemo Flow, thank you for the five gifted.
Brother, you have fun with the soundbar, go for it,
but we're not demanding it.
I don't know, kind of feels like a lot of the gifters
are demanding it.
I like how you're just making shit up,
but to be fair, I do the same thing.
What do you mean, making shit up?
What do you mean, making shit up?
Hello? Anyway, um, but let's see what fucking weirdo Nonsense Trump said today at the board
of peace before we move on to the to the bulk of the Epstein files.
But I was very proud of it. President Pena of Paraguay is here, president. President,
Thank you very much. Young handsome guy. It's always nice to be young and handsome. It doesn't
mean we have to like you. I don't like young handsome men. Women, it's like men are out
of any interest. Good. That's right. That's right. Thank you very much.
That's awesome. That's fucking awesome. Incredible work, man. You are a legend. He's just, this
is the, the, the fucking unit that defends this dumbass will then turn around and be
like, AOC is babbling is crazy.
He's crazy. He's out of his dang mind, dude. He's branded. I was going to fucking alarming
rape. By the way, this is like, this is the brandonian revitalization. So thank you. This
is the brandonian resurgence for the record. Cause he did this shit. And you know what
he did after doing this shit? He fucking fell asleep, bro. He literally just passed the
fuck out. He literally got up on stage. He was like, I love hot people, whatever it
It would be so nice, and then he just fucking passed out
implementation
Of the second phase of the Gaza. What are we doing?
Motherfucker was hogs you me me me
No, and you know now I'm good and you know and you know the entire conservative commentary
It's gonna be like well our big beautiful president is too tired doing big beautiful business deals
which are not business deals at all but actually deals for peace more like
peaceness deals and you guys simply lack the intellectual honesty to address it as such
yeah peace is not easy work it's hard work that's why he's fucking he's he's
He's fallen asleep.
That's why I call this board of peace, not board, like B-O-A-R-D, but B-O-R-E-D.
He's Hongshun Mimi Maxing and, you know, he's sleep-mogging all the fucking, all the
third world cells that are a part of the board of peace.
Peace plan. This includes ensuring a lasting ceasefire and the successful implementation.
Yeah, Donald Trump's cortisol level spiked so hard he had to fucking balance it out by falling asleep.
It's actually a real alpha dog. It's actually a real alpha dog move from him, okay?
You don't understand. You don't have the fucking capability. You're not a real mager.
Thank you for the 50 gifted.
Breaking an extraordinary and illegal move.
Trump says he's transferring.
Oh, this is the other side.
Trump says he's transferring 10 billion dollars from the U.S.
government to his Board of Peace, which he chairs, and Yucca uses the funds as he wishes.
Well, and I want to let you know that the United States is going to make a contribution
of $10 billion to the Board of Peace. And we've had great support for that number.
And that number is a very small number when you look at that compared to the cost of war.
It's two weeks of fighting.
It's a very small number.
It sounds like a lot, but it's a very small number.
So we're committed to $10 billion in room.
And I want to let you know that the United States is
going to make a contribution of 10.
This is Shirley.
This is Shirley helping out the American Heartland, you know?
There's always more money in the unlimited war funds
for even Donald Trump's personal coffers, you know, fantastic.
that we're at the event in Munich.
They didn't graduate quickly from college.
They had everything they could do.
There was one young, attractive woman.
She was unable to answer questions.
And she didn't do so well like JD did in college.
Shady graduated in a four and a half year college in two years.
The people that were, oh, that's gross.
That's gross.
That's gross.
No, no, that's not, no, no, no, no, no, no, we got to stop that.
No, no shot.
We can't be doing that.
That's disgusting.
That's fucking nope.
So more absurd glazing of Trump from other board members.
Oh, yeah, Pakistan's Prime Minister, Shahbaz Shadif to Trump.
You have truly proved to be a man of peace.
And let me say, Mr. President, you're truly savior of South Asia, of God.
At the UN General Assembly, Trump gives a laugh that for asserting bizarre untrue things here,
board of peace against to be told he's the world's only hope. Here is fucking Tony Blair.
This is a vision of Gaza as part of the Middle East at peace. Not a phony piece of vectorations
no one means and agreements no one intends to keep, but a genuine commitment to a region
where whether you're a Muslim, Jew, Christian, of any faith or none, you can rise by your
own efforts and feel your government by your side, not on your back. That is the vision
behind President Trump's 20-point plan for Gaza, and it remains the best, indeed the
only hope, for Gaza, the region, and the wider world. This is a vision of Gaza as part of
a Middle East at peace. Not a phony piece of declarations, no one means.
The reason why he's so happy is because he's back to doing what he does best, which
is sucking American cock and being a vizier for American Empire.
J.D. Vance had a joke as well about AOC that didn't land at all.
Let's take a look.
Thank you, Mr. President, very much for your leadership,
but also for the kind words about me personally.
I knew exactly what I wanted to say, but then after the president said that I was so smart
and that I didn't want to repeat our congresswoman who froze for 20 seconds over in Munich,
now I'm tempted, sir, just to freeze for 20 seconds and just stare at the cameras
and maybe they'll say nice things about me like they do about congresswoman Cortez,
but I have...
I
Every time this motherfucker goes on television and says some shit
I totally understand why his mom's sub student with some fucking perk 30s, dude
Right up
He's just so Rizla's
If you
If you gave life to this fucking thing wouldn't you also want to self-medicate
Honestly
It's more, it's more confusing to me that she still doesn't try to sell him for some
crack cocaine.
He is so restless.
Yeah.
It's so funny to try to make a joke about AOC.
Yes.
So last year, just a reminder that AOC and Newsom and the rest of the top tier Dems could
make mince me out of this guy in 2028.
He has the charisma of a broken wooden chair in the humor of Elon Musk.
No one has the humor of Elon Musk.
I hate these motherfuckers so much. I hate them because they're fascists, but I also lowkey
hate them because they're so RISLESS like they're so fucking pathetic dude.
Warning in connection with accusations that he shared confidential information with Jeffrey
Epstein while serving as a British trade envoy. Now for years Andrew has been embroiled in
scandal for his association with the late sex offender and he was stripped of his
royal titles last year. In a statement King Charles said he supported the
investigation of his brother adding quote the law must take its course. Let's
cross right to our correspondent in London, Benedict Paveo. Benedict, let's
start with this breaking news word that Andrew has been released. What can you
tell us?
Yes, Andrew Martin-Winsor arrested this morning around local time 8 a.m.
in his new residence, the private residence of the King on the Sandringham estate, has
now been released. He's been, he's left police custody following this arrest this morning
on suspicion of misconduct in public office. The former prince was photographed reclining
in the back of a black Range Rover, which came to collect him, leaving Ailsham Police
station, and that was soon after we spoke, so soon after 1900 GMT.
Thames Valley Police have issued a statement.
They provide this update following this arrest this morning and now release.
The force says Thames Valley Police is able to provide this update in relation to an investigation
into the offence of misconduct in public office.
On Thursday, we arrested a man in his 60s from Norfolk on suspicion of this misconduct
in public office.
And here's the interesting sentence.
The arrested man has now been released under investigation.
We can also confirm that our searches in Norfolk have now concluded.
That means that the current home search is over.
But we can also, it's understood that police searches in Berkshire are still underway.
Now that is the former home on a royal estate and that is near Windsor and of course we
know that Andrew lived there for over 20 years and he was rushed out at no.
It's kind of wild to me that they just sat on this for decades.
So like obviously, obviously at ample time to like delete whatever evidence he has, right?
But also on the other hand, I think these guys are so profoundly stupid and so untouchable.
Like their perception is that they're so powerful that like no one can actually offer
any scrutiny to them.
That it makes me feel like he might not have actually done his due diligence anyway.
Like, given all of the opportunity to delete his fucking hard drives and shit, I could
totally see him not doing that at all, because he's like, what do you mean, I'm a prince,
I don't feel the need to do any such thing.
So, who knows?
What I'm wondering is how the powerful forces that have played a role in setting up this
like blackmail pedophilia operation are gonna try to move the conversation away like the public
attention away from them to I don't know the sacrificial lambs making it seem like they were
independent operators just like they tried to make Jeffrey RC be a guy with a fucking
voracious appetite avarice for pedophilia and and he was just like a like standalone pedophile
and he didn't actually traffic it for anybody else like just for himself and it was like everyone
was like that's not true the fuck are you talking about
nobody really believed that
well nobody but contra points and as we're climb
Right, on the cover of darkness, very much ordered to, instructed to, buy the king, his
older brother, and I think that was very much to try and get away from the attention of
the media, because what has been happening is that this scandal, the Epstein files, this
release of the last tranche, particularly of emails by the DOJ, the American Department
of Justice, has been completely overshadowing the work done day in, day out, by the king,
by the Queen, by the heir to the throne, Prince William,
by his wife, Catherine, and others.
So, Timbs Valley police have told us
this evening in this statement,
they will not be making any further statements
at this time.
So, he's left under investigation, presumably,
wanting to go back to his current home
on that Sandringham estate.
After a bruising, I would imagine, 11 hours.
Police cell probably had his DNA taken,
probably had his mug shot taken, a photo,
may have been fingerprinted, like any other person who would be arrested in those circumstances.
He is not above the law, as indeed Keir Starmer, the UK Prime Minister, had mentioned earlier
today.
I'm not sure you can answer this, Benedict, but what should we read into this, the fact
that he's been released, and the possibility that he could still face charges in this case?
Oh, he could very much still face charges.
It's interesting. I mean, we had no word and the King apparently wasn't told in advance.
We've learnt a short while ago that the Home Office, so what is the Ministry of the Interior,
was told by Thames Valley Police before that they were going to be arresting the former
Prince Andrew. But it is not clear at the moment if he is going to be charged, if indeed
there is a particular line of question that he's been put under. We simply don't know
that we don't have those facts. He may have been told that he must not leave the country.
So although we have the start of this very public arrest today in this release under
investigation, this could take weeks, it could take months, and it is important to underline
that this arrest has to do with his role from 2001 to 2010 as a UK trade envoy representing
the UK government, the United Kingdom, across the world on these various business missions,
and the allegation, as seen in leaked emails in that last tranche a few weeks ago by the
DOJ in America, of him, then Prince Andrew, forwarding very confidential, highly sensitive
market information, financial information, analysis by the British team, the British
delegation and the British government about financial interests, financial possible future
investments, whether it's in Singapore, in Afghanistan, and other countries.
And this is a complete breach of trust, since being a UK trade envoy, you are held in a
very high position, and therefore you have very confidential government documents that
are forwarded to you, they are not meant to be forwarded to anybody else outside government,
and the allegation is that he sent those to the convicted sexual, now dead, purified Jeffrey
Epstein.
So for the moment, this arrest is not directly linked at all to the multiple allegations that
he, then Prince Andrew, had any encounters sexual or other with Virginia Jouffre, his
main accuser or indeed any other trafficked girls by the same Jeffrey Epstein.
So this ain't even about the sex crimes anyway.
This is just about leaking state secrets.
I guess whichever way justice is served is good. I don't know.
I mean, what gives me a little bit of hope is if they consider this to be high treason,
which I doubt that they, I mean, I don't know if they will, but that would put Mendelssohn's
ass directly on the frying pan.
You understand?
Do you know how fucking good that would be?
because everything that they're investigating with Prince Andrew is tenfold it makes Mendelssohn
more compromise, tenfold more compromise. Would Andrew's initiative save his life? They'd
fucking kill him, I think. That's crazy. I mean, just like they fried Al Capone off
a tax evasion, it kind of feels like they're doing this. Wouldn't that make the labor look
good. Yeah, because once Mendocin is prosecuted, that will put the the attention on to cure
or Starmer, and then Starmer will have to resign.
Starmer's resignation at this moment
would be like Justin Trudeau.
Like, I don't know where they go from here,
And I hate that your party could not actually build momentum and just like fell apart shortly after they were organized because right now would have been their moment because what took place with Justin Trudeau where Justin Trudeau resigned and then Mark Carney came in and was seen as like a much more reliable figure that people didn't punish for associations with Justin Trudeau.
So at a time when people are like desperate for, you know, reasonable governance, especially
in places like European countries or, you know, in places like Canada, I think it would
have been a tremendous opportunity for Corbin to basically do the revenge, the revenge tour.
Having said that, however, obviously I am, I like the Greens.
I'm not discounting them calm down. What do you mean? I've literally I literally collab with the fucking leaders. What are you talking about?
The party's run by a house and I'll be head. Hello?
he's the man very embarrassing very grave we have no idea this is where this is leading
doors Jill Stein for crying out loud. No, I didn't. I did not do that chatter. I have
no problem. I have no problem like working with third party movements and shit, but don't
make up nonsense. What are you one of those fucking liberals that lies about my shit?
I did not indoors Jill Stein. And I'm not saying that because I'm like scared of like
what the Liberals keep saying. I just, you know, I care about the truth.
And this is totally unprecedented and embarrassing, uncomfortable for the
monarchy and indeed for the country. Really a surreal day are corresponded in
London Benedict, Pablo Benedict. Thank you for bringing us that breaking news.
Now let's bring in our Patrick Reville just outside Buckingham Palace. So
Patrick, we're being told that Andrew has been released, uh, but is under
investigation and not charged. What exactly does that mean?
Yeah, Kerry, as you say, just in the past half hour or so, Andrew has been
seen leaving the police station. He was captured on camera by reporters
there. As you say, the police saying that he's being released remains under investigation.
At the moment, it does not yet appear that charges have been brought against him. We
had heard from prosecutors saying they had not yet advised the police on whether a case
could be brought against him. You know, usually in the UK, police do the investigating and
then prosecutors assess the evidence and decide whether enough can be brought, whether the
The evidence is sufficient to bring a trial, but obviously we still know very little about
what these allegations are.
We understand that it is related to these emails in the Epstein files that where it appears
that Andrew was basically passing sensitive information to Jeffrey Epstein about his travels
as a trade envoy.
And as a trade envoy, he would have been in theory bound by some rules of confidentiality
of British government policy and law.
But as you say, we for now, we don't yet know
too much more about that.
But clearly, an absolutely extraordinary day here in the UK,
one that is unprecedented for the Royal Family.
No Royal has been arrested in modern history,
and so a very difficult day for the Royal Family
and for the monarchy.
Yeah, 400 years since that happened last time.
So what comes next for the former Prince?
I mean, that's a great question.
You know, obviously we've seen him now leave
police station and finally nobody knows will will now this lead to him having charges brought against
him relief. What do you think?
You think I'm fasting? Does it seem like I'm fasting?
Oh my God, I forgot. Is that the answer you think is going to happen here? Oh no. The
food just fell in my mouth. It was just in front of me packaged ready to be consumed
and I forgot that I'm supposed to be fast. Is that what you think? That was going to
happen here? You're on mecca time. Yeah. Go on trial. If he goes to trial, would it
be successful if he was convicted? You know, he's currently being arrested on suspicion
of public misconduct in public office. And so, you know, was it a large range of penalties
for that. It can be up to life imprisonment, but of course it can also be much, much less
severe than that. I think if it was related to leaking information as a trade envoy,
it's probably likely to be less severe. But equally, we don't know if the police could
have perhaps found something else while they were investigating it. It's possible that
these emails and the enormous pressure around Andrew that's come out because of the Epstein
files in the US, because of that enormous pressure, the police have been pushed into
looking into this more and it's possible that they've discovered something else perhaps
even more serious. We do not know but for the time being, of course, Andrew has always
vehemently denied any wrongdoing at the moment he is under investigation. So huge numbers
of questions and extraordinary development and this story very, very far from over Kieran.
Patrick Riebel, we'll stay on the story. Thank you.
It was the latest release of the Epstein files, three and a half million of them that piled
the pressure on to Andrew. Now he has been arrested. And they contain embarrassing documents,
photos like this of him on all fours at an undisclosed location. But the police investigation
doesn't appear to be about his interactions with Virginia Geffray or any potential allegations
of sexual abuse. Allegations Andrew has always strongly denied. Instead, it's his time as
a trade envoy in official position that is under scrutiny. The timeline here is really
important. So let's start with that.
It's so funny that the British government's like, the international pedophilia is fine,
but it's a bridge too far to reveal trade secrets, okay? I can excuse the international
sex trafficking of minors, but if you fuck up the bag, if you touch the bag, we're gonna come after you.
But like I said, the positive here is that this is directly relevant to a much broader
investigation that will take out a lot more figures in British politics.
It was back in September 2001 that Andrew was appointed trade envoy.
In June 2008, his friend Jeffrey Epstein was convicted in Florida for procuring child prostitution.
Just over a year later, Epstein was released from prison.
In December 2010, Andrew visited Jeffrey Epstein in New York.
In 2019, he said that this is when he broke off contact with him.
In February 2011, Andrew continues to email Epstein and will come back for this.
In July 2011, Andrew was forced to quit his trade-envoy role.
April 2015, an allegations against Andrew emerge in court documents regarding Virginia
Gifre.
And in February this year, police started assessing claims over his links with Jeffrey
Epstein.
Now, the latest files appear to show correspondence between Epstein and Andrew when the latter
was trade envoy on non-personal business.
So let's start with this emails from November 2010.
is an aid forwarding to the Duke of York. Attached reports from Vietnam, Singapore, Hong Kong and
Shenzhen in relation to your recent visit to Southeast Asia. That was as trade envoy. Five
minutes later, the Duke, as he was known back then, forwards that on to Jeffrey Epstein.
There's another one too. This is about Afghanistan. It's also 2010. It's sent in December and it's from
Andrew directly to Jeffrey Epstein himself. And he says, attached is a confidential brief produced
by the provincial reconstruction team in Helmand province. That's in Afghanistan. He sends
that directly to Epstein and says, I'm going to offer this elsewhere in my network, including
Abu Dhabi, but we'll be very interested in your comments.
Then there's this email from Andrew again to Jeffrey Epstein. Now, the important thing
here is the date, February 9th, 2011. That is after when Andrew had originally said
he ended his relationship with Epstein, but it's also when he's still a trade envoy,
official position the contents of these emails are just fragments of events and we don't know the
specifics of the allegations being investigated again this all appears to have taken place while
andrew was yeah what could have taken place i wonder am i just logging in bro it is literally
full blown. Like the theory now is was he a massage guy and a CIA guy or was he something
above massage and definitely still work with the Israeli state but like at what capacity?
Right? That's the only question that is taking place. Like there's no, no one, no one who
is even remotely sincere about making accurate assessments about Jeffrey Epstein's entanglements
with espionage agencies is saying that this is not related to Israel or America and it's
like Russia or whatever like liberal media will say oh he's Russia but who was he serving
or were the agencies serving him trade envoy an official position he has denied all wrong
doing and it was just regularly done was like an attorney did not like this man's
answers to the questions during the house over side committee deposition he
told us I'll fucking kill you if you answer another question with more than
five words okay wait what answer the question okay it was just
is this is this is it what is this AI is it a fake video am I getting duped is it a
fake video what the fuck was that
do we know what time code it's around so we can watch the rest of it
print andrew we need to i i want to watch the rest of it like if you can
find me the timestamp
I think it's a joke like you're making my job hard stop
Yeah, it's from the original video. I mean it looks exactly like the original video, but I'm I'm trying to figure out was like somehow manipulated or
or
when you chat is this real?
It's probably a joke, but I want to see the context before and after it.
It's regularly done.
I mean he just straight up says I'll fucking kill you he whispers I'll fucking kill you
the answer another question with more than five words okay.
I don't know it's not AI bro notice would not fucking post this
425 05, thank you chatter Jesus Christ y'all are no one else is doing it like this chatter
It's probably a joke, but I want to see like what came after it or what came before it for the complexity
those clients, is that if you were doing it three or four days a month, certainly a week
or a day a month, just focusing on these things, those are accountants and tax lawyers and
other people, and then let's, in setting up, as an example, I wouldn't, I didn't have
the idea of inventory furniture or valuables.
That is like, how could you have all solarware in your house and what?
I didn't count forks and spoons.
And it's like, just so people could be walking out with forks and spoons.
Gee, that's a good idea.
We got to have an inventory.
But then there was a, I hired a lady to be like the house manager.
For being the L brand guy, Pettofuck's got no drip, yeah, 425-08 is coming.
Who had run the US Embassy in Rome and said, yeah, I know how to do this.
And I said, well, why don't we keep inventories of stuff that she said, oh yeah, I could do that.
So she did that as kind of a puny example, but I wouldn't have had the idea.
But then all the things were inventoryed. That wasn't work for me or Geoffrey.
or Jeffrey. It was just regularly done.
Answer the question. Okay.
A discrete question on a different topic.
We know that at one point you owned a property in Palm Beach.
It was a large oceanfront estate.
We understand that you sold that estate to a guy named Abe Gosman
Gossman and that later mr. Trump and mr. Epstein got into a bidding war over that property
Do you have any knowledge of or did you have any involvement in that dispute between mr. Epstein and mr. Trump? No
Look he looks back at his lawyer and goes see I did it
Yeah, I don't think it's a real threat. I think he's just literally saying like you're
fucking it up. You're making it hard for us. You're making it hard on yourself and therefore for me to defend you.
There's a fucking deposition. Stop yapping.
I don't know how like high-powered attorneys work.
So, I don't know if like high powered attorneys will tell their multi-billionaire pedophilia
clients to shut the fuck up or I'm gonna kill you like that.
Like is that normal for like attorneys like this, like the relationship between an attorney
and a client at a high status situation like this one maybe?
It was like I
Feel I
Feel like this guy's probably a fucking partner in a massive law firm. You know what I mean? He's not like some ambulance chaser
he's
He's doing a government deposition. He is defending a multi billionaire pedophile at a
Government deposition so I suspect he's a high power enough himself to just like have
Different rapport with his client
better a better call saw clip farming is literally just hyperbole you shouldn't shut the fuck
up you're incriminating yourself to where you speak yeah no that's what I'm saying because
like when you see the clip without additional context it leads you to believe that this
is like you know someone is making him the someone's making the boss call like it's a
literal threat, but it's not. I think it's just a joke. Like, I think he's just, like,
being hyperbolic. It's not his handler literally being like, you're gonna get fucking assassinated.
I'd like to touch on a few specific allegations that also a chat chat legalized comedy come
on come on come on come on legalized comedy I don't make me do it you know with respect
to Mr. Epstein's crime. Maria Farmer can discuss it several times today. I'll try not to repeat
that too much.
Your elder millennial fans are making Hanson Abbey Soundboard news on TikTok. This is
elder millennial shit. Oh my god, we're so cucked. We're so cucked.
Much, but there are a few aspects of her story that I did want to touch on with you. Ms.
Farmer has said that the home that we've discussed, you said Mr. Kessler sold it to Mr. Epstein
that's adjacent to your property. Ms. Farber has said that that home at the time was guarded
by your security staff.
Wait. Oh my God. Did you question the question? Did you write this letter to Mr. Epstein for
his birthday book, the same letter that Donald Trump, a similar letter in the same book that
Donald Trump denied writing and doodling on. This was Les Wexner making titties as well
the
real ball knowers. Okay, you
yourself right this letter to
Mr. Epstein.
Sanctuary.
Did this Maxwell approach you to
write this letter for Mr.
Epstein's birthday?
I'm gonna be honest like it's
Like it's far better drawn than Donald Trump's shitty ass fucking drawing. I'll be honest like this actually is
Decent handwriting like this is from a purely
From a purely aesthetic standpoint like this is a stylistic choice and it's actually not
Bad at all. It has perspective
It's actually a decent fucking drawing
I
Bro, no it is what I mean come on all the fucking art all the art students in the chat are 100% gonna agree with me
being able to show
depth and perception with such simple lines requires artistic talent
Like he literally
Like he he he has this is a 3d image with like
one, two, two lines and a dot, okay. As a boob drawer myself, like I know game, a game-regonized
game. It's a pair of shoes. No, it's not. It's retro-satids. It's funny because like
the the actual the actual like uh art chatters are going to agree with me no matter what like it's just
I think the request was to write a card or a note or something for a birthday book
and did that come from miss Maxwell?
Mr. Wexner would you please read the main body of the birthday note for the record please?
I wanted to get him what you want, so here it is, happy birthday, your friend Leslie.
And what was your understanding of what Ms. Refugee would want?
He was a bachelor, so I drew a pair of boots.
You've kind of been joking, offhandedly, I'd say.
I don't understand.
I hope you do.
You've said a few times throughout this deposition today
that you did not consider Mr. Epstein a friend of yours.
However, you signed this letter and I quote,
your friend Leslie.
Why would you sign your friend Leslie to someone
you did not consider to be a friend of yours?
I don't know.
on meeting with on meeting trial with Epstein. Did you ever spend time with Epstein and Donald
Yes.
I would answer this question accurately.
I would go to some of the Victoria's Secret fashion shows.
It was very important to the brand.
It's some of the fashion shows.
Jeffrey was there and some Trump was there.
And I remember, because Trump would always introduce himself to me and I always thought it was kind of hard that he was at the fashion show because they had nothing to do with fashion.
Was the mockler debate in the seven minutes?
Did you and then we'll get back to the Epstein stuff and.
that. Bezos, Bezos mentioned. Oh, shit. That's boss man. He would talk about the founders
of Google that they were friends and he'd visit him. He would talk about, um, you got
to come out to San Francisco. You should meet, um, the other side guy, Bezos Bezos, too busy
I'm interested and I don't do what he does and it simply is really a smart guy. You should be in the
American San Francisco. Like I'm too busy
I swear, Wesson has the opportunity to accidentally cook the entire pedivac of all. Let us pray that as Dimension does his job
Bro, you have you have fucking big boss dog in his fucking corner being like I'm going to assassinate you with a drone strike
Like if you don't shut the fuck up, the whole point is like he's not he probably has a fucking high power attorney specifically for that purpose.
This is normal. Remember, shut the fuck up. Say as little as possible. Okay, not him. Not if you're less legs there. If you're less legs there, never shut the fuck up.
Okay. If you are less wags, never say everything. Less wags during his deposition about knowing
if Jefferson committed illegal acts prior to his 2006 arrest. A woman was suing him
for being aggressive. I remember calling him and saying, what the hell is this? And he
said, I was being shaken down by a hooker and I believed him. I believe that he wasn't
stupid. Yeah, right, dude. Record. Did you have any knowledge of illegal activity by
by miserepsing prior to his arrest in 2006.
I feel your call is much.
Maria Farmer and Brace Boas said Wesson had hidden shooters
with M4s hiding in the wilderness around his compound.
Brace said he met some of the contractors on Shruanon.
I mean, that's not surprising.
He's an incredibly, he's an immensely wealthy individual.
All of those guys,
All of those guys absolutely have security contractors with like
With the appropriate stamps and with the appropriate fucking
With the capabilities of using like weapons that normal people are not allowed to have on them
His house on satellite looks like goat's seat
Chief of staff told me
Uh, and I know he knew
Press whether it was the newspapers or
Radio or TV
that that Jeffrey had been accused or a woman was suing him for being aggressive and I remember
calling him and saying what the hell is this and he said I was being shaken down by a hook.
Here's where the patriarchy conversation comes into play.
In some instances, because of the patriarchial systems that we exist under, it is very easy
for men to turn a blind eye to this kind of defense.
And in Les Wexner's case, because he was so deeply connected with Jeffrey Epstein, it's
bullshit, but he's now using that established blindside that many men have to his advantage
to create a plausible defense. Okay. It's a double bind because most of the people in
that room are going to be just as misogynistic. Even the women, right? That's how patriarchy
works. He's saying, Oh, I simply did not know. I simply did not know. Oh, it's just someone,
some, some random hooker was like shaking me down. You know how it is. I'm a rich guy.
a powerful guy, and you know how it is with powerful men, women want to come after you,
they want to steal your money. And the reality is, right now, he's using that as a defense
of his innocence. And unfortunately, plenty of people will believe him.
And I believed him and I think the follow-up that conversation was, I hope, you know, you're
not bullshitting me because if this cap, that's a fucking bullshit, like you can, you can
use this line of defense in a court of law.
If you're, you know, 15 steps removed from Jeffrey Epstein, okay?
You can't use this line of defense if you're Les Wexner, okay?
A guy who was straight up so deeply involved and there's allegations that they might have
been actually having sex, like Epstein and Les Wexner.
That's the other side of the story, which I wonder if they get into in the five hour
deposition.
they do but straight up dude straight up like when he says I believed him I
believed him when he's listed as a fucking co-conspirator nonsense nonsense
Jeffrey Epstein used the Victoria's Secret brand to his advantage Jeffrey
Epstein and Jean-Luc Brunel who we will be talking about because there's new
details about his mysterious death as well straight up were in line with the
L Brands and we're using L Brands as a mechanism of recruitment as a way to make themselves
come across more legitimate. He was directly involved.
Oh, they do get into it. Yeah. Did you personally have a sexual relationship with Jeffrey Epstein?
No. Where's the, the Mogler in a second? Yeah, five hours of less waste of testimony
about Epstein. Here's his reaction when he was asked if he fucked Jeffrey Epstein.
Did you personally have a sexual relationship with Jeffrey Epstein?
it.
So,
it's a good question.
So,
is he wearing a leather vest? Yeah, he's a leather daddy.
Les Wexner
admits in his deputy to Epstein work directly for the
Rasha family in France.
Oh, here we go.
Oh, brother. I mean, we know this already, but this is going to
make the conspiracy guys go even crazy.
How did he originally
present himself to you?
What services did he say he was
Well, when I first met him, he was just alone, and he didn't represent anything, and I didn't ask him anything, I was just meeting or friends, acquaintance.
As that business relationship became closer, and you eventually hired him, I assume he pitched his services in some way, what was his way of framing what he...
This is like people will say like how are you not conspiracy theories because I
don't think the Rothschilds are fucking unique brother that's what the
difference is I think all billionaires operate on class boundaries therefore I
don't make an exceptional case for specific billionaires or Jewish
billionaires or any other kind of billionaire a billionaires a fucking
millionaire, capital owners are capital owners. It's class warfare. And they're fucking aware
of it. You're not. Okay. That's the difference. That's the difference. Like even down to like
the Illuminati adjacent stuff of them, like doing ritualistic sacrifices or whatever the
I see all of that stuff as just being a part all of that stuff is just like hardening support for one another and
Creating new units within that same class structure, right? I
Think like all bill not all billionaires are fucking pedophiles even though seemingly a lot of them are okay
But I believe that all billionaires all billionaires all class
all
All members of the ownership class are operating along their class interests, okay?
They do like frat hazing shit like that, but that's all just
To further indoctrinate you into a a different part of the same
The the same ownership class to like basically create a system of support
People act like Bohemian Grove isn't real Bohemian Grove is a great example of exactly what I'm talking about
That's precisely what I'm talking about anyway, I'm gonna talk to Adam Mock lib right now
Okay, and
And we're gonna talk about where we go. What is to be done?
Where we go from here and a lot more and then we'll get back to the Jeffrey Epstein files in a little bit
Hello, can you hear me? Yeah, what's up? Yeah, are you gonna turn on your camera? Oh, yeah, you are. All right, perfect
Can you see me as well?
Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right. Let me pop you out real quick
Let me
not show myself on my end and
Then do one of these
Boom Adam Mockler everybody from Midas touch
in the not in the building but
Hold on. Let me see where the wait. That's not what you call me the other day. You had a different name
You call me mock live. I said, yeah. No, I said it right now too before right before but I also say Adam moggler
Okay, when I went on the CNN panel Adam Moggler here. He is known as Adam Mogg live
Hold on
I'm trying to get the scene right real quick. Oh
Boom, there it is. Okay fixed it fixed it. Perfect
All right, Adam
Welcome to the broadcast
I think we're going to have a wonderful and productive conversation even though I know that there's a lot of people on
On Twitter that hail you as their debate champion and they're like, it's finally time
It's finally time to fucking destroy Hassan in the marketplace of ideas
And I I don't know if that'll happen, but wait is there audio echo chat as I was going on
Oh, yeah, there you're you're hearing me a little bit. I think from your
from your end.
Let me fix that.
Yeah, and I'll also up your volume as well.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, there's a few things.
Let me make sure you can hear me correctly.
Yeah, I can hear you.
Yeah, I want this to be a productive conversation.
I want to make sure we can make some progress because I think we're all united in one goal of beating fascism at the end of the day.
And I'm not here to shame anybody for voting one way or not voting one way.
I honestly don't even think you guys all have to line up behind Gavin Newsom two years before the fucking primary or two years out ahead of the primary.
We have an exciting ideological battle coming up, so I'm not asking you to like jump up and down for Gavin Newsom.
However, I do want to talk about your response to Jennifer Welch on that podcast because I do have some thoughts and I think I can bring a pretty good faith version of what a lot of people on Twitter are trying to say, but kind of getting muddled in.
in but um yeah we're gonna agree on a lot regarding criticism of the Democratic Party
probably where the Democratic Party needs to go will agree a lot I'm very disillusioned with
the Democratic Party as well but I think there's some good faith criticisms of the way that you
you approach that question or the way that you talk about this. Yeah yeah if you want if you
want to know what my positions are and I think you're already pretty familiar with my positions
I know that like you've you've probably heard me speak on these issues for years and years at this
point. But my primary goal, especially in the interim, especially in the short term,
is the defeat of fascism. I believe that the Republican Party is an illiberal party, a post-liberal
party, whatever you want to call it. And I think, unlike the historic inception of fascism as a
revolutionary movement at a time when liberalism was failing only a hundred years ago, this time
that we have two liberal parties in America like as a political theory we
have two liberal parties right like we say conservative whatever but like
technically the Republicans are also a liberal party and now the Republican yeah
the Republican Party is historically a liberal party but is now turning away
from liberalism and and becoming an illiberal party a post-liberal party and
and turning into a fascist party. I warned about this, the first Trump election as well.
I warned about, uh, I warned about the, the proto fascist nature of Donald Trump. Um,
I thought that it was important to make that distinction. I didn't say that Trump like
season one of Donald Trump was fully fascist, but season two of Donald Trump is. And I think
it's important to make that distinction as well, because like you can see the difference,
right? Like it would, there were a lot of, there was a lot of naked corruption, a lot
of things that were going on in the first Trump administration, but the second Trump
administration has been so brazen, so obvious, and it's not like they've hidden that reality
at all, especially when they were running to become the president, when they were running
through the 2024 election season.
So my primary goal is to defeat that completely.
And obviously, I also want to build socialism.
I want to build a working class movement.
And I don't think these two goals are at odds with one another.
I think both historically and also in general, I believe that the evolution away from the
liberal system that we exist under that is now failing for the second time around and
making way for fascism, the only solution out of that is, is to build a working class based organized socialist movement.
But yeah, those are my two, those are my two main points.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I want to ask you, do you think it would be easier, do you think it would be meaningfully easier to build this working class socialist based movement in a liberal society or an illiberal society?
Oh, historically speaking, most likely an illiberal society.
At least historically speaking, socialists and communist movements have, have unfortunately
only been successful when material conditions have worsened.
I don't, I don't want that to happen though, because I, I don't want to live through that.
And I don't think that that is like an appropriate thing to move towards.
I don't think that that's good for people, I think it's very violent and very deadly.
I don't want the material conditions to deteriorate.
But if you're asking me like honestly from a historical perspective, no, I'm basically
asking, I'm basically just asking if we get to a 2028 and like, I guess we can get into
the hypothetical of Newsom versus Vance, but it's not even about that.
They're kind of just stand ins.
I don't even want to concede who our nominee is going to be two years ahead, but I think
it would be, there would be a meaningful difference in building a, you know, pro labor movement
under a JD Vance presidency, which would be much, much harder versus a Gavin Newsom presidency.
I mean, JD Vance's entire career has been trying to step on top of workers.
He wants to endorse project 2025, which literally wants to bring child labor laws back to 1938.
He's fundamentally illiberal and doesn't want to let you organize.
I mean, like a lack of organization is part of not living in a liberal society, right?
They will squash that.
They will kill communists.
They will kill socialists.
That's what they did in other fascist societies.
They killed socialists and communists.
Gavin Newsom however insufficient you may think he is and this is not an endorsement of Gavin Newsom
I'm just trying to illustrate my points of you know the different realities we could enter however
Insufficient you think Gavin Newsom is he would allow for a really strong labor movement
He would allow for you guys to at least you know organized and he would probably get to communicate with you guys
Do you know first of all? I don't even think you guys I think you're a part of this as well
I don't you're not against like organizing a labor movement, right?
But also, yeah, also, can you crank up your volume a little bit on your end?
I, because I maxed it out, but people still are having a hard time hearing you.
Yeah, my bad. I've a lot of calls. No, it's all good.
Um, as far as like, uh, what's better rooms for organizing?
Um, it's not even, it's not even a necessary part of this discussion.
Uh, because I know that is, I know that.
No, no, the reason why I'm saying it's not a necessary part of the discussion is because
Because given the option between Gavin Newsom and JD Vance, I'm not saying that Gavin Newsom
is going to be a situation that JD Vance.
I understand and agree with, in theory, the harm reduction narratives.
My argument is always around doing away with harm reduction narratives because the harm
reduction narrative has led to two spectacular failures thus far.
in 2016 and also in 2020. And as far as like playing hardball with Democrats who don't want
to listen, who still want to hold on and maintain this, this like harm reduction narrative who
still say that they want to appeal to this like mythical moderate voter who's outside
of the, who isn't a normal Democratic party voter, like these guys that they want to turn
to the Democratic party, I'm willing to say, I'm willing to play hardball with them and
say, like, look, I'll, I'll hold my vote back. But the reality of the matter is, if you're
asking me sincerely, like, do you think that, um, Gavin Newsom is going to be better than
JD Vance? Of course. I mean, this is not something just like Kamala Harris is objectively
going to be better than Donald Trump. The miscommunication, the miscommunication, sorry, the, the miscommunication
around this comes in large part due to me openly saying like, it's out of my hands at
that point, because that was the second part that I mentioned. It's openly out of my hands
at that point. And there's no way for me to overcome the way that the party is communicating
what they want to do. And the fact that a lot of people hear that and immediately go,
oh, this guy, he wants the Republicans to win. I don't.
Yeah, I don't think you want the Republicans to win. I don't think that at all. And here's
where we agree on, actually. So I keep hearing you say that you don't want Democrats to run
on the harm reduction narrative in 2028.
And I totally, I think, agree.
If we're running on a harm reduction narrative in 2028,
we have failed somewhere massively.
We want to build an exciting forward-looking message
that can turn out not only our base,
but Americans who have been struggling.
We need to have something that is not just us
unified to our opposition of Donald Trump.
For the past decade, we have been defined by our opposition
to Trump, and we need something more exciting.
So I agree.
We should not run on a harm reduction narrative in 2028.
But like what you just said, how you just worded your statements was not how you worded it when Jennifer Welch asked you that question.
No, I thought I would vote.
I would vote third party because it's out of my hands at that point.
No, you said at that point, it doesn't even matter.
Yeah, I thought when it was, sorry, that what I meant is it's out of my hands, which is the argument that I've made with Kamala Harris after like urging the campaign to listen to the warning signs that the people were giving them about their reluctance to address Gaza in a meaningful way,
like signaling that they would also, they would truly be like an anti-war party even
though Donald Trump is like a fucking war monger, trying to get them to communicate that, trying
to get them to communicate that there are meaningful differences between their design
overall, not leaning in and not conceding on the white nativist anti-immigrant narratives
knowing full well how devastating Trump's nasty portations were going to look like.
I poured hours and hours and hours of commentary into this thousands of hours of commentary
into this and it's always reduced back to whatever like reasonable sound bite that
people can, can cling on to to say, uh, oh, we got him.
He's a third party guy.
What do you mean it's out of, well, you said you would vote third party, but what do you
mean it's out of your hands?
Oh, perfect.
Like, like you mean like we would lose at that point?
I don't know if he would necessarily, I don't know if we would lose because JD Vaness
is uniquely uncharismatic. But we saw that today. I mean, we see that every day, right?
I mean, he's fucking disaster. I still think that Gavin Newsom is particularly weak against
J.D. Vance, unfortunately. So I don't know. I feel like it would still be a toss up at
that point, partially because while J.D. Vance is not capable of holding the Trump coalition
together, I don't even worry about J.D. Vance as much necessarily. I don't really worry about
I've heard about Tucker Carlson. I think Tucker Carlson has the real, he's the real torch carrier of the MAGA movement.
I don't even know if Donald Trump recognizes that yet, or admits that personally, but I think it's there.
And-
He fits the mold of an outsider populist, anti-established person.
Television guy who understands how to communicate. He is charismatic as well.
That's really scary.
Um, so he is the one I'm actually terrified of more so than Marco Rubio who is like a straight line neocon
He's not going to be able to do the popular shit and JD Vance
is basically
Like uh evil Pete Buttigieg like role reversal Pete Buttigieg where like he also has that
Like consultant McKinsey consultant vibe to him
I like to say when
You know JD Vance comes into your neighborhood, you know that like the coal mine is shutting down
Like he has the attitude of a guy who's gonna be like we see you we hear you
But we have to eliminate some redundancies and I think most working class individuals regardless of the MAGA cult
Kind of see that he is insincere
So he doesn't have that populist element and he tries to make up for it by being like this gross little
Groyper even though he has an Indian wife and Indian children and therefore even the super racists don't like him for that reason
reason. So these are just like the two default positions that the Trump administration is
like, you know, looking at right now, but I do think it's like possibly going to be
Tucker Carlson.
Now, going back to Gavin Newsom versus JD Vance, Gavin Newsom is, Gavin Newsom unfortunately
has a lot of the California stink associated with him. I love California. I live here.
And there's a lot of exaggerations about how devastating California is, like how terrible
the conditions are here, people are all doing crime and doing drugs and everyone's almost
on the street. But there is a real problem from a policy side, from the policy side
of things with California. Gavin Newsom is, and he's demonstrated this already, beholden
to corporate interests. And we'll pretty aggressively go out to bat for corporate interests in general.
Sometimes he's pushed back on a lot of special interest groups in California though. They're
pretty aggressive.
Sure. But the number one problem facing all Americans, I think you and I will agree on
other than health care is uh... is is housing right
in california has a huge issue with housing
and that we have voted for
a million different ballot initiatives at this point
uh... to to you know
pay for shelter pay for
uh... additional tax revenues so that we can go and like you know build new
homes and things of that nature
none of it ever gets done there's a lot of institutional rot here as well
Not to get all abundast on, on this, on this conversation, but like there is a little bit
of truth to what the abundance guys say.
And so that homelessness narrative will stick for the uneducated, but even for the educated,
like the educated voters, they will also recognize like people like myself recognize the setbacks
that Gavin Newsom has presented to combat the housing market issue in the state of California.
Yeah, so I guess a few things that I want to respond to. I agree with you about Newsom's
electability problems and I think a lot of people would agree. I mean, I have a massive
liberal audience and even they're not fully behind any candidate right now, especially
not fully behind Newsom two years ahead of the election. I think that now is our time
to use a leverage we have. And I think that's what you're trying to do during the Jennifer
Welch podcast. I want to keep returning to that conversation that you have because you
said in the conversation at that point, it doesn't even matter. But you at this point
mean it was out of your hands, right? Yeah. You clarify what do you mean it was out of your hands?
So just, uh, and, and I also, uh, talked about like my refusal to endorse Kamala Harris as well,
and we can get into that too. What I mean by that is exactly what I said in the 2024 election,
where it was like, you can't as a singular individual or even with like the entire might of
the media behind you outflank the actual campaign. So if Gavin Newsom is running as the Gavin Newsom
that we know so far, you know, he'll say certain things like, oh, I refuse to take money from APEC.
Great. But then when push comes to shove, like he will still be inconsistent on the issue of
Israel. He won't like fully subscribe to, uh, to, to, you know, punishing Israeli leadership
or fully subscribe to like, uh, refusing any sort of arms sales to Israel. Um, and outside of Israel,
of course, uh, you know, behold in the corporate interest when it comes to like the real estate
lobby, anti-medicare for all. If he runs as that, okay, there's no amount of advocacy
that I can engage in that will make him look better. I can consistently talk about how
much worse the Republican side is going to be.
That's how you were asked if you would vote for him. And I'm not even saying you should
have said yes in that moment, but you were asked, would you vote for him? And you said
at that point, it doesn't even matter. Here's what I'm getting at here. I think there was
a very solid answer you could have given that didn't outrage the Liberals online as much.
And I know that a lot of people flung a lot of shit at you on Twitter. That's always
what happens. But yeah, I think there was an answer you could have been like, listen,
I refuse to pre-commit to any candidate two years ahead of a primary. They have to earn
my votes and that's what I want to see. And I totally get you're on stream like eight
hours a day. You're not always going to say everything perfectly. But here's where a lot
of Liberals online are mad. And here's where we're all kind of talking past each other.
I see a lot of people online saying,
all liberals want us to line up behind Gavin Newsom
two years before a primary.
And that's not even the argument that any of us are making.
I think where a lot of liberals have problems
with the way you speak about the Democratic Party
is that you try to minimize the gap
between the Democratic and Republican Party.
So I can totally grant that you meant to say,
like, well, you were asked, I'd vote,
you were asked, would you vote for JD Vancer Gavin Newsom?
You said, I'd vote third party.
At that point, it doesn't even matter.
It feels like you're drawing a false equivalency.
And then a few days later, you basically said Gavin Newsom will only be marginally better than whatever Republican candidate there is.
Then you said Democrats have literally written you out of existence regarding trans people.
Wait, do you see the rest of that quote?
I watched the video.
Yeah, I watched it.
What's the rest of the quote?
Did you hear me say that marginal differences between each candidacy?
Like marginal differences between two parties leads to drastically different outcomes for marginalized populations.
Having said that however from the eye of like a voter
They don't make that distinction at all
Especially if they are from coming at it from a privileged position if they did if it doesn't like attack if it doesn't harm them at all
And not only there's no so you're based you're kind of conflating two things when you say there's a marginal difference between the two parties
I think that signals to people that either way they vote it doesn't really matter that much
That's how people take that when you say trans people would be you said like Democrats would shoot trans people in the back of the head
That signals that Democrats aren't really that different than Republicans when that's not true
There's not a marginal difference between Democrats and Republicans
There's a very meaningful difference if it was like Obama versus McCain and you said there's a margin
No, I said Democrats would Democrats with its exaggeration
Democrats would kill trans people if it meant get securing additional electoral votes
And that's not an argument like Democrats are gonna run on a policy of killing trans people
There's a hyperbolic statement about Democrats cutting out trans people, which as you saw probably
In this last week in the aftermath of the fucking neo-nazi
Maga dad or not maga dad the the trans shooter
There was a fucking huge neo-nazi who's apparently his son was also a neo-nazi who's in prison as well
Which is you know, not very shocking. There were a lot of people floating around
bad polls about, not bad necessarily from a, like the polls are fine, but they were
polls that look, made it seem as though the trans issue is something that we as Democrats
should not actually advocate for. It was Lakshad Jain. And I always go back to obviously the
first week after the Kamala Harris election defeat, where a bunch of prominent Democrats,
who got yelled at to be fair by other Democrats in the caucus, but a bunch of prominent Democrats
went on television and immediately were like, we lost because of the trans stuff.
They put a lot of over emphasis in the Kamala Harris is going to give bottom surgeries to
Guatemalan transgender prisoners and immigrant detention facilities.
My argument always is, if the Democrats actually put forth policies that people have to attack,
like the Republicans have to attack, then the trans issue just becomes unserious and
a relic of the culture war that people don't pay attention to.
And in the absence of, of definable policies that you can associate with the Democrats,
they become very defined by what their enemy, the Republicans, defined them as.
Yeah.
So that's, I don't actually disagree with your analysis at the end there.
I do think that if we had a more affirmative unifying message than people wouldn't care,
like Medicare for all would be really exciting for so many people.
I heard you say this and I actually agree there, but just because some Democrats went
on TV after Kamala lost.
And just because some Democrats that are floating
polls around on Twitter that are showing people that
doesn't mean Democrats don't care about trans people
or have written them out of existence.
Like the difference between Democrats and Republicans
on trans people is not marginal, it is not slight,
it is very, very meaningful.
If you grew up in the state of Indiana where I grew up
and you tell a counselor that you are having thoughts about
like gender dysphoria or you want to change your name,
they have to go tell your parents.
but if you go across the state borders in the state of Illinois,
someone who you probably think is like a moderate billionaire, JB Pritzker,
he's turned it into a sanctuary states where you can get, uh, your,
I like JB's policies. Yeah. I was very aware of this distinction.
Okay. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. So JB Pritzker, Andy Bashir,
even governor Newsom turned California into a sanctuary state.
It is a very progressive state.
So can you see how people are bothered when you then go on the stream?
And I'm quoting you verbatim. You said, Democrats have written you out of
Existence Democrats don't give a fuck about you and then you said later on the marginalized identities have been left behind by the Democratic Party
You're kind of drawing a false equivalency and then that brings me back to the Jennifer Welch clip
I'm trying to give you the strongest liberal argument here as to how people are mad
It's not easy to play by the way. I've heard this argument
I used to make this argument myself
Yeah, but you said that point it doesn't even matter and that kind of feeds into the broader apathy now seem to be pushing towards so
There is a meaningful difference between Democrats and Republicans on trans issues, right?
If you grew up in a Democrat or a Republican state, there's a meaningful difference between
your quality of life.
Can you agree with that?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
There's a meaningful difference.
There's a big difference.
Okay.
So there is a meaningful difference between living in a Democratic state, hopefully one
that isn't captured by Republican state legislatures that will then, even under Democratic leadership
within the White House, take advantage of the state legislature apparatus to still undermine
trans existence and then take that all the way up the courts of the Supreme Court, there's
a meaningful distinction between having a liberal Supreme Court majority versus a Republican
Supreme Court majority, a super majority even.
These are all things that I fully understand and fully agree to and don't want to happen.
When I talk about the Democratic Party's lack of interest in like actively fighting back
encounter messaging against uh... the the republican misinformation around
trans people
what i'm talking about is democrats running from a place of fear
what i want the democrats to do
is to one
not compromise at all when it comes to
putting forth a counter messaging operation
to go back
and fight back against the republican party when it comes to trans issues
but also this isn't even just about
uh... trans people either this goes
this goes back to even undocumented migrants and migrants in general
like Haitians eating cats and dogs all the endless amounts of attacks
and and the notion that like undocumented migrants constitute a
national security threat the way that the republicans presented
it's pure hysteria
something that i've told democrats over and over again urge democrats over
and over again even when joe biden was president
early on
down uh... to the dnc where i talked to them directly and told them to address
over and over again
with the hopes that they would, at the very least, push back against this so we wouldn't
have seemingly a more, like a bigger mandate, a bigger popular mandate for Donald Trump
on issues such as that.
I think every moment that the Democrats waste, not on the offensive, on affirmative policies
and affirmative policy vision that is easily definable, is a moment where the conversation
revolves around culture war issues, specifically attacking trans people, and it ends up harming
trans people that way. There is no, there, there is a big difference between a blue state
and a red one in terms of, of trans existence to deny that would be silly. I don't deny
that at all.
What about between like a Newsome, if Newsome got everything he wanted in America and JD
Vance got everything he wanted in America, do you think there'd be a meaningful difference
for trans people?
Yes, I do.
Okay.
I mean, we're, we're like Donald Trump's first action when he came into office. Like this
is, this might come as a surprise to people, maybe in your audience or people that have
seen these clips and, and assume that I'm, uh, assume that I don't think that there's
any difference between, uh, a democratic leadership or Republican one. I will never, I will never
work with Republicans. Well, I guess maybe Thomas Massey on like a very random issue.
you know what I mean, a random issue that's like the Epstein file, something like that.
But I don't agree with Republicans ideologically and my criticisms of the Democratic Party
revolve around their closeness to Republicans or their endless interest in conceding to
Republicans on certain issues, because that concession doesn't actually end up causing
them to win elections.
The only thing it actually ends up doing is those concessions actually normalize some
of the Republican agenda items in the eyes of the base of the Democratic Party.
And only until people realize how devastating the outcome of those policies are, do they
turn around and go, oh, I have buyer's remorse now, fell for it again, award.
I didn't realize that the party that said they were going to do mass deportations is
actually doing mass deportations, or I didn't realize that those mass deportations were
going to look so fucking violent and so disgusting that my neighbors were going to be in fear.
Yeah, I agree. I agree with a lot of that. And I don't want you to think I was just watching clips of you. I watched your entire show.
No, I know.
It just felt like you were saying two different things at once. You take these really strong, declarative statements, or those positions about the Democratic Party, and like, you quite literally said Democrats, or you said the marginalized identities have been left behind by the Democratic Party.
And then you go on to explain a little bit more nuance that yes growing up in a trans state or a red state would be better than a
Sorry growing up in a blue state would be better than a red state as a trans course
So you do clarify that in the video that I watched
but can you then see how Democrats or at least liberals on Twitter who are just like
Seeing you repeatedly say this Gavin Newsom will be marginally better than whatever the Democratic candidate is
But you then just said to me that you think he will be meaningfully better if you know got marginal differences in
In terms of policy in the way that they communicate it like Gavin Newsom
I don't know what he's gonna run on in terms of you know defending trans people right like I don't I don't know
How big of a part of his his advocacy this will be I can only look to what he's trying to do
What he's trying to present himself as right now, right?
because we can look at his his experience as a governor in California, but then if there is a a
a significant difference that he's communicating net because he has ambitions
higher office. It's only causing the assume that he is going to probably pivot
like many other Democrats to this center for the mythical moderate voter. Do
you think that that's an unfair assessment? Let's just start there first of all.
That he shouldn't have it to the center? No, that judging by the position
between what kind of trans protections that he assigned into law when he was the governor,
when he is the governor in California versus how he's communicating now about certain aspects
of trans identity and trans issues is probably a pretty reliable way to comprehend whether
or not he is going to pivot to the center on trans issues a little bit.
No, I I don't think you don't think so the way he talked. No, I don't think you can conflate the way
He spoke to Charlie Kirk on the podcast with the way that he's actually ruled, California
There is a very very meaningful difference between the way that he's
The way that he's ruled California versus the way that Republicans would and here's here's no no
I don't even I don't disagree with that. The reason why I'm asking that is yeah
Yeah, but here's the problem
There's a category error happening here where you keep saying that there's a marginal difference between the parties and I get what you're saying
I totally understand you think there is a marginal policy difference between the parties
because you think Democrats should be farther to the left and stand up for the stuff, but
when you say that a lot of liberals think that you're arguing that there's a marginal
difference in outcomes, and you're conceding right here, there's not a marginal difference
in outcomes.
No, there's not a marginal difference in outcomes.
Okay, so yeah, yeah, I think that needs to be clarified more because that does kind of
draw some apathy between voters, but going back to Gavin Newsom, no, he has quite literally
changed the way California looks at trans people just because he like gave an insufficient
answer on Gavin Newsom's podcast, doesn't leave me to believe that he's going to entirely
throw trans people under the bus. Let me just like go through this.
No, no, no, hold on. It's not entirely, but do you, but do you feel, and I'm not like
trying to debate you on this. I'm just asking you, is this your, do you, do you think that
it is indicative that there is a, at least in the way that he's communicating a pivot
to a more moderate position on trans issues because he calculates this as, as a more electorally
valuable. No, was he asked about trans issues or trans sports in particular? Um, the, the,
the pieces that I've seen is, is, uh, mostly talking about trans sports and saying that
transport is a bridge too far or something like that. Yeah. And like, that can totally
be insufficient for your worldview. And you can say that that is not sufficiently progressive
enough. But I think that, um, to say that Gavin Newsom, because he said that to Charlie
Kirk, that nullifies the way that he's actually ran in California, you're using that.
Okay, it doesn't okay
Wait, there's California making
Signed a law
Sorry, I'm making an assessment off of I know Gavin Newsom just like Andy Bashar who I have given
Tremendous props to more so than Gavin Newsom because he's doing it in fucking
It Trump 35 state right Trump plus 35 state
With a hostile with a hostile state legislature, too
so it's like increase it's infinitely more difficult um he actually shows the rest of the democratic party
I use him as an example to show the rest of the democratic party that you don't have to be compromising and the way he's talked about transubles
You know, Christian these are my neighbor
Teachers make love of my neighbor or not to fight my neighbor. I remember when he stood up again
We can state legislature member where he was like you have to apologize to these constituents. These are your constituents as well
That wait hold on one second. Can you take it off a emote only mode? What's going on? Why do people keep saying robot?
Why do people keep spamming robots?
Is there is there a issue? I'm like better now too. Sorry. I've been hearing it clearly this entire time
But I don't know what the fuck's going on. I took it off emote mode. Is it effing?
Oh, is it? Oh, it's just a small lag and people lose their fucking minds over it. Is that what it is?
Liberals and leftists are agreeing so the deep states taking us down
They're like we can't have agreement on a stream between the two factions. It's stuttering on Hassan only huh?
You've been lagging for like the last five minutes. No
Audio is it audio disaster, but it was only eight seconds or so. It's fine now
Okay, sorry, they were just like spamming the robot emoji over and over again
So I thought there was like something devastating happening. Okay. Um, what were we talking about? Oh, yeah. We're saying Andy Bashar is glazing Andy Bashar for
uncompromising on his values. Yes, bro. Yes. Um, that's especially within the confines of like what he is capable of doing.
I mean, that's very impressive. And I think it should be a lesson that other Democrats
Uh, should follow as well and some doing and some are cowards, but
Um, as far as the Gavin Newsom thing, I am aware he I think it's like what 49 lgbtq plus bills that Gavin
Newsom's governor assigned to the law. I mean, as a mayor of San Francisco, he was his first
nationally prominent act was literally to defend gay marriage in San Francisco. Like
I'm very familiar with Gavin Newsom's background. He's my governor, right? I know, I know a
lot about Gavin Newsom's background. What I am fearful of and what I worry about is
the the same exact pivot that we have seen
from the same exact pivot that we've seen from many democrats that
signal that they're invested in
selling out trans people or at least certain aspects of trans identity
whether it be sports
uh... a conversation that starts off with
the most
appropriate angle to tackle that republican spend hundreds of millions
of dollars against
and create controversy around
uh... this being you know transports to very quickly moving the conversation
over to
uh... gender confirmation surgery
uh... and and uh... you know a litany of different anti trans bills that
basically lead to making it illegal to be trans in public the commerce i don't
think you can go out for no i don't think newsman is going to go out for
either i'm both my point is
any concession that you're making
trans existence in in public
instead of just simply moving the conversation back to a
a territory that is appropriate, a territory that is a pertinent for every single person
in America, something that is more consequential for the rich person, the groceries, the ability
to bring things of that nature, is lost ground for no reason, that then justifies the traditional
anti-transbill come after that well, so you're opening the door to the conversation rather
then stopping it fucking
my argument
No, dude, I totally the Democrats should stand on business when it comes to
trans this am I lagging at all is a good no I'm I'm the one who's lagging
apparently a little bit
not even getting any more
I don't think it's happening.
You can't, like,
yeah, now I was flagging for me too, I can barely hear you,
but here's where I think the difference is.
You know, like the big dog, small dog meme,
where you say something intense
and then you kind of say something not as intense?
I feel like when you're on the podcast,
when you're on your show,
a lot of these statements are so declic,
yeah, the Mountain Bailey, of course.
I feel like you're pulling a little bit
of a Mountain Bailey right now.
Non-gen Z meme lingo like you're on your show and
I'm this is this is the way this isn't even meant to be like a confrontation or anything
Just so you know, but like I think we're saying it's bad. We just hold off for a second
Let's hold off for a second
Just wait it out. Sorry. It's gonna come back in a second
The lag comes and goes to be honest. It's gone for me now. Is it good now?
No heat chat
Adam is not the one who brought up modern Bailey. I did. Okay. They're they're saying you're engaging in debate pervertry
I'm the one who did it. Okay. I'm the one who said modern Bailey. All right. Go on
Yeah, I don't want you to think this is some like confrontation where I'm trying to like pin you down or anything
But when you go on your show in your stream and these clips go viral and liberal circles
I think the friction comes from you saying stuff and I just important that I quote you verbatim like Democrats have literally written
You out of existence regarding trans people
Marginalized identities have been left behind by the Democratic Party Democrats don't give a fuck about you
They would shoot you if I meant they could secure votes and then I come on here and you're like wait a minute
I do acknowledge that new some would be meaningfully better on trans issues
I do knowledge that JV Pritzker is meaningfully better blue states are meaningfully better
I do it and then your strongest argument as to why Democrats are throwing them under the bus are
Some polls that you see on Twitter not from Democratic Party leaders, but from like Lakshaya Jane or whatever
However, some people after the 2024 election going on TV and saying something in the effect
of, oh, we lost because of trans people.
That's obviously bullshit.
Get those people out of here.
And then Gavin Newsom on Charlie Kirk's podcast.
That's your evidence that the Democratic Party is throwing marginalized people or leaving
marginalized people behind.
I don't, I don't see it.
And I do agree.
We should not.
It's not, it's not a trans people either, by the way.
It's it, it, it, this is, this argument extends not just the trans people in general.
It extends to different backgrounds as well, including the immigrants.
These are two different arguments you're making.
No, the reason why is because of what you've also seen that comes usually fairly closely
after the end of that clip, which is the assessment that corresponds to my broader outlook, my
viewpoint, which is that there is no reason to make these sorts of connections.
whatever it is like red and bull these are these are people who are infinitely more influential within the democratic
party's ecosystem than someone like myself okay every single time I talk it starts fucking going down can you hear me can you see
me sorry what the fuck dude that's I hate the fucking ISPs it's insane
okay I think it's back they're saying we're good
Okay, I
Have a
Would you agree that I have a more nuanced approach to this issue than the way that clips present my perspective?
Because even when we had the Congress even yeah
Because even when we had the conversation with Jennifer Welsh like Jennifer wash and I had that conversation
There was an additional, you know two minutes of back and forth that we had where I was talking about how like I watched it
Yeah, harm reduction narratives are exactly what a lot of establishment Democrats lean on in an effort to
moderate their positions for the mythical moderate voter and and this is
like their primary vehicle for for driving voters to go out and vote and
it's been an abject failure every single time it's bad Paul it leads to bad
policies in general and it's bad politics in general as well because you
and I both agree that we want a fighting Democratic Party one that fights
uncompromisingly for for not just individual marginalized identities but
fights for the entirety of the working class in a holistic way.
And when they don't present themselves as such, and they've been pretty bad at it, I
think I saw you even criticize the Kim Jeffries as well, or Chuck Schumer at least, like recently
saying like they must resign.
Yeah, approval rating sucks.
Yeah, there's a reason for that.
And there's a reason for why there is like, I think only a 77% approval rating for Democrats
within the party.
Right?
Historically high disapproval rating right now for the Democratic Party. I think it's like 21% which is
Unprecedented or when a Republican is an office of Republican that is as devastating as the Trump administration has been
That is a fucking massive alarm bell and I feel like instead of recognizing that
We're still following along the the the third-way neoliberalism of the past all the way from Bill Clinton
to even to a certain degree Barack Obama as well, where we just keep looking for a more moderate
a more moderate approach. And that's absolute bullshit. We should not do that. It's absolute.
Sorry. I want to keep going back to the Jennifer Olson really quickly. So do you think that Democrats
have literally written trans people out of existence? Is that just hyperbole? Because if it's
hyperbole, it's hyperbole. Like Democrats are there. Okay, okay. Because the Democratic Party is a
is a big tent party, but the Democratic Party also is, and this is just how it is for the
Democrats in general.
But I finished my vote really quickly, really quickly.
I finished my thought I was having really quickly, sorry.
Go ahead, sorry.
You said a minute ago, like, hey, don't I have, sorry, no, no, no, no, no, no, I just
want to finish this very, very quickly.
You said a minute ago, like, hey, don't I have a more nuanced view than you would have
thought that I had.
And it's like, sure, but you're also just like saying two completely different things.
You're giving a completely different argument.
said I vote third party because at that point it doesn't matter and then you
switch that to at that point it's out of my hands you yeah that was all of these
statements that was that was the argument I was making but when you are
repeatedly hyperbalizing the Democratic party is being basically the same as the
Republican Party that creates a level of voter apathy and I think that is why
liberals on Twitter are very mad at you I mean of course there's gonna be like the
crazy fucks who are always gonna say some random shit but I mean like I think
that's the legit criticism that people have of the way that you approach this
is the way that you draw this false equivalency between the two parties.
And then, like, when you get confronted on it, or when someone asks you about it,
you're like, well, it's just hyperbole. It's like, no, like, we shouldn't hyperbole
about trans people, like, getting shot by... I know that that's not a serious thing
you mean, of course. We shouldn't, like, hyperbole about how one party treats trans people
versus another when there is a meaningful, meaningful difference.
And then, when we're talking about the marginality between parties, you've said a bunch of times.
There's a marginal difference. You said, Newsome would be marginally better
better than whatever the Republican is. But then when we talk about it, you say, no, there would be
a meaningfully different outcome.
Marginal differences between both parties lead to meaningful differences for the marginalized
identities. That is something that I have consistently, that's something that I've talked
about for the past 10 years. This is something that I acknowledge. I don't think that there
is no difference between two parties, except for certain issues. There are issues where there are
no differences or at least there is like broad consensus politics, right? And if you want to
explore that, that's actually the biggest part of my argument. The consensus that, for example,
healthcare is going to remain privatized, and that with the exception of a couple
on the edges, right? But the party is broadly seen as a party that also wants to maintain
in private health care, right? Can you hear me? Yeah. Well, the Democrats want to maintain
private health care. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, shit. Now I'm, oh, God damn it. I'm f-ing
now. Hold on one second. Oh, God. I'll vote for any fucking, I will vote for any Republican
that fucking fixes my ISP. Any Republican that shatters, any Republican that shatters
the oligopoly of ISPs in major markets like California, I'm voting for, fuck it. That's
a joke, by the way. Don't take that seriously. I know this is a serious-
I was writing that down so I could quote it. I was writing that down so I could quote
it back at you later. No, no, no, no. And I'll never advocate for Republicans. I'll never
vote for Republicans. I don't fucking despise Republicans. So-
I'm not trying to make it seem like I'm like here to like confront you on these quotes. No, I think this is a good conversation is a good conversation. Okay.
So we were talking about like between the Republican Party wants to deregulate healthcare marketplaces even further at the behest of healthcare companies. Correct. Right.
Yes, yes. And the Democratic Party's solution, at least post-Barack Obama, has been at least
to offer subsidies to the population, subsidies that end up still not tackling the for-profit
healthcare structure that exists, but tries to keep that system alive. Would you agree
with that? Yes, but just because Democrats are insufficient
doesn't mean there's a marginal difference. And I, that doesn't mean there's a marginal
difference in outcome. Like we agree on this.
From the perspective of the everyday working class individual, it's the difference between
someone who is going to get their healthcare denied, right?
Because they just simply because they deregulated it, there's no more protections for people
with any sort of health complications, right?
They've let's say they're they're completely destroying that on the Republican side and the Democrats are saying no no no
We need to keep the current system and we need to give the healthcare companies
More subsidies so that at least like it's easier to pay for like you can still keep your pigs
You can still keep your coverage even with a pre-existing condition, but
The healthcare premiums are going to continue to go up from my perspective harm reduction of that sort
actually reflects the consensus between two parties because the real the real
two different planks here is private health care versus socialized health
care and the Democratic Party unfortunately unlike the Republican
Party is always judged by its weakest link because in order to advocate for
more government in a country like the United States of America where there's
no confidence in the government and in the post Reagan era unfortunately for
the Democrats, they will always be judged by whoever is a part of the rotating villain
structure that ends up undermining the policy agenda that Democrats are running on.
And from the perspective of the average person, from the perspective of the average American
individual, they don't actually look at it and go, well, the Democrats are trying, they're
very hardest to make sure that at least my healthcare is affordable.
Some might, right?
But most don't.
Most look at it and go, okay, neither party is doing anything for me.
What the fuck is this?
So that is why I say, from the perspective of, for example, health care, this bipartisan
consensus on private health care as opposed to socialized health care is a major one.
The conversation should not be kept within the confines of what can we do within the
private health care system.
The conversation should expand to socialized health care versus privatized health care.
And as long as the Democrats don't do that, the differences between them are marginal.
And policy but not outcome. Yes
Yeah, okay, that's really important because
I can celebrate Barack Obama's accomplishments of like adding pre-existing condition coverage
To healthcare or allowing people to stay under their parents insurance program for 20 years old or getting you know
Millions tens of millions of people healthcare through Medicare funding even in you know
Even though the Republicans basically stopped
that in red states for a very long time, and it led to tens of thousands of people dying.
But at the end of the day from where I'm standing, from where I'm standing, from the way I approach
the subject matter, the differences Democrats are offering, let's say 100,000 people a year
are dying if 100,000 less people would die every single year if we had socialized medicine.
And there was no issues between access to coverage at the point of purchase, right, because
it's free, versus 200,000 people die with the Republican agenda, but with the Democratic
Party's agenda, 100,000 less people die.
So the difference is still from where I'm standing, 100,000 people that should get access
to health care, but they're not getting access to health care.
Just because it's insufficient doesn't mean it's marginal and outcome no, like we agree, we agree on this, we totally agree on the difference between policy and outcome and I could even concede that Democrats and Republicans in the capitalistic system, like I get what you're going at, they're both upholding the same liberal thing, but I.
Well there's also plenty of capitalist countries that already have these programs, I mean virtually every single one of them.
Yeah, but I still take I still don't think you should say that there's a meaningful difference between the parties without saying
You mean policy because that could that could just from my point of view as a young 23-year-old dude
There's a lot of voter apathy in my generation
You obviously influence a lot of young people and I have friends that I went to high school with that have texted me like before the
2024 election saying there's no difference between the parties both parties are the same and we've obviously illustrated throughout this conversation
No, both parties are absolutely not the same
Well, if they're watching me and not just watching the clips, they would know that there are differences.
There are marginal differences of policy that yield massive differences in outcome.
Having said that, however, another area where there is no difference, almost no difference whatsoever,
is foreign policy.
Wait, another area where there's no difference.
Because there is one, there is one, there is one.
There is a difference on health care, though. You said there was almost no difference.
So we already established there's a difference on trans issues. There's a difference on health care.
Yeah, meaningful outcomes on health care. Let's talk about foreign policy. So before we move on to foreign policy, by the way, sorry
Yeah, I didn't correctly word that but I'm gonna get to the foreign policy thing in a second
You understand where I'm coming from though, right? Like because from the perspective of people that are not
From the perspective of the average American
The difference between being able to pay, you know, a thousand dollar a month premiums
outcomes, and then having your service coverage denied at the aftermath of like a significant
medical complication, and not having that at all for tens of thousands of people is
still a devastating outcome as opposed to the alternative, which is that they pay a significantly
lower share in taxes and have that healthcare be financed by the government in a single
pair style system. Like that's a that's a massive difference, right? But one day is
the Democrats are not presenting as a unicorn version.
Democrats are insufficient on health care. Yeah, I agree. But there's not a meaningful
difference. Okay, so we went through trans issues. There is not, there's not a marginal
difference there. There is a meaningful difference. We just talked about health care. I think
that there is a meaningful difference between the parties, would you say regarding outcomes?
No, what I'm saying is in terms of in terms of socializing
I don't think there's a meaningful difference between outcomes between the Democratic and Republican Party on health care
is there a Republican Party in the Democratic Party?
There is consensus on maintaining private health care. Would you agree?
There's a mortality gap. Yeah, but there's a mortality gap of 30,000 people that would have died over the past decade.
Yes, absolutely.
When he was like 22 years old got diagnosed with this rare form of cancer. The ACA saved his life. That's meaningful.
This is meaningful to Americans. Is it insufficient? Absolutely. Should we spend as much time as we can pulling Democrats to a more
I don't know public option version of health care. Absolutely. We can do this as much as we want
But we're looking at if we're looking at numbers though if we're looking at numbers though
What we're still getting back to is the very meaningful difference between socialized medicine
and privatized health care
And the reality of the matter is that while the mortality gap exists between the Democrats
Subsidizing the health care system even though maintaining its private structure, you know what the numbers would exactly look like
I don't know what the
I don't know the top of my head with the with the socialized medicine
Let's say it is a hundred thousand people. Do you think thirty thousand of those people are marginal?
Let's say it is an extra hundred thousand people that would have died
Do you think those thirty thousand people are marginal or meaningful?
No, you understand the argument I'm making, right? I'm saying that 100,000 more people
would survive if they didn't have their medical care covered or if they didn't have their
medical care denied. There are people right now in the United States of America that choose
to forego diabetes medication and die because they just simply can't pay for it. Like that's
not, that's, I think you and I both agree that that's completely unacceptable, right?
Absolutely. I think that the U.S. healthcare system is pretty awful.
my perspective and from my perspective that is a that is a meaningful difference is what I'm saying
especially when compared to uh the consensus that is represented as far as maintaining a
private health care system so it's even a much larger number is my point yeah I get what you're
saying so I think that um because because you I will always agree with you when you say that
republicans are worse than the democrats regardless of like the the hyperbole moments or whatever
that people clip to present a false narrative that I very quickly will explain after the clip ends
usually which is unfortunately outside of my hands because you know we do live in a clip culture
it's a people want to argue past one another but you seem to minimize how how different the
the parties are a lot though like a lot and it's it's harmful yeah because because the
perspective that i'm coming at is the fact that a democratic party that still maintains that same
consensus on maintaining private health care is, but it ultimately doesn't matter. Like,
in the grand scheme of things, if we're saving 100,000 lives and the Democrats are saying,
no, we're only going to save 30,000 lives, then there's still 70,000 lives that are
lost in the process.
And that doesn't matter to you? What do you mean that doesn't matter?
I think we're talking past one another. There is a far larger number of people that are
dying in the uniparty consensus.
I absolutely agree. There is a far larger number of people that are dying in the uniparty consensus and due to that
The the healthcare system needs to be reformed. It is currently insufficient
But I can grant that and both say the 30,000 people that have saved their lives are meaningful as we've agreed
So I think that um, I think that we know we don't have a disagreement on say like that's the reason why I was also an advocate for
for the Democratic Party shutting down Congress
when the Republicans were ironically trying
to do the harm reduction narratives on their side,
when they were like, well, every day that Congress
is shut down, where we're not conceding
to your very reasonable demands about funding healthcare
and adding the additional COVID subsidies back,
you're allowing tens of thousands of,
if not millions of public workers to be furloughed
and men possibly die.
Like the point I'm trying to make is,
in a much broader vision that is both politically beneficial, electorally beneficial, the Democrats
refusing to take seriously because of the donations that they get from health care companies
that want to maintain, that have a financial interest in maintaining a private health care
system.
The Democrats are writing off the additional 70,000 people and they're getting away with
this argument by presenting it as a lesser evil argument because it's true.
The lesser evil argument is, the lesser evil argument, the harm reduction theory is correct.
But because of the harm reduction theory being correct, the Democrats lean on to that rather
than actually advocate for a bold vision.
And at times they even lose the election, but it seemingly doesn't matter, right?
I think what we should do before, yeah, I think what we should do before the 2028 primaries
is push our party as much as possible to reject the type of special interest groups that have
led to this over the past decade have led to the Democratic Party kind of feeding in
to to this but um yeah so I I don't mean to keep hammering down on that point but I do
want to go to foreign policy because I think we can illustrate that the so can can you just
say if you agree yes or no here so the Democratic Party has meaningfully different outcomes
when it comes to trans people yes right the Democratic Party has meaningfully different
outcomes when it comes to health care the Democratic Party marginal or not in terms
of their different approach to both. Well, healthcare is even more marginal, but the Democratic
Party's approach to these issues, from the perspective of the people that are receiving
it, from the perspective of the people that are looking at it, from the way that they
angled the conversation, the way that they move to a centrist position on a lot of these
key positions is marginally different, but marginal differences yield significant outcomes
for the people.
person views the policies as marginally different even though they're the ones who are receiving
the outcomes like the person who either yes 100% do you think that the average American
is making a reasonable this a rational decision when they're voting? Not the average American
but the Americans that are affected like if you need insulin and you get rejected due
to Republican Party this that's meaningful as meaningful outcomes. Yeah and yet they
still make irrational choices all the time. I mean that's I think I wouldn't just I didn't
think you'd disagree with me on that. Yeah. Well how many how many people with like immediate
undocumented family members voted for Donald Trump.
Yeah, that's true.
They are insanely irrational in their decision making.
That's why I always say you have to have a definable agenda that makes you viable at
the elections.
People can be irrational actors no matter what, though, to be able to be irrational
actors no matter what.
Yeah, that's why you gotta fucking bludgeon them in the head.
That's why you gotta bludgeon them in the head in the same way that Republicans unfortunately
do very well by, and they have less structural hurdles than the Democrats do, obviously in
this situation, but they blushing people in the head by saying, make America great again.
Here's what those values mean. And then they just like add a bunch of nonsense into it.
They engage in hyperbole. They regularly will, they regularly will be definable by their
policies, build the wall. It's like very simple, is very simple stuff that they, uh, that
they actively harp on and the Democrats are constantly running on a defensive posture.
And my argument is the reason why I think they're running on defensive posture is because
they can lean into the harm reduction narratives because the harm reduction narrative is a
correct approach. It is correct in theory, but given that most voters are making irrational
decisions unless they're literally fucking bludgeoned in the head with it over and over
again to spell out those party differences, they're not going to make a rational choice.
And many of them are not even going to vote at all. My committee on the other hand, by
by the way, overwhelmingly voted for Kamala Harris,
but that's besides the point.
I mean, virtually every single person in my community
to vote for Kamala Harris,
contrary to what people say.
If it's 2028, man,
and we're running on like harm reduction narratives
in the general, I will be very, very disappointed.
I hope that we have a really, I'm excited.
You'll be disappointed.
So you understand what I'm saying though, right?
Then you don't,
you feel like it would be out of your hands
as far as like what you can do.
Cause at that point I can lie to my audience.
At that point I can lie to my audience and be like,
no, you guys don't understand.
Pamela Harris, when she says we're gonna have the most lethal military, what she actually
means is that she's gonna be anti-war as opposed to Donald Trump.
No, no, you say your audience, listen, we had an ideological primary and if Gavin Newsom
is the nominee, this obviously did not go our way, we will continue to pressure his
administration, but the difference between voting for Gavin Newsom and a J.D. Vance,
or voting third party and abstaining and lowering the threshold for J.D. Vance to win, is the
difference between quite literally 15 million people dying due to USAID cuts,
which Gavin Newsom would restore.
It's a difference between like a mother and Sudan having a malaria vaccine for
their infant son versus that malaria vaccine not being there in the sun dying.
There's, there's multiple studies and models showing that 12 to 14 million
people will die by 2030 due to the cuts of USAID.
And I think that it is the onus is on us in 2028, whether it's Newsom or
another candidate to be at the end of the day, be like, yeah,
we have to suck it up and we have to not only just reduce
harm marginally,
I hope the Gap Newsroom never runs on restore saying even if
he's going to restore USA, I hope he doesn't try to run on
restoring USA because I feel like that will lead to a
significant
You should not run on restoring USA.
No, no, no, no, even if he's going to do it, I'm not even
saying that's a bad thing. Yeah, I'm saying he should not be
be he should not be running around be like, I'm going to
restore USA. That's why you should vote for me.
That's totally fine. But this matters. This matters.
No, no, I don't disagree with you on that either.
So what do you mean it's out of your hands at that point?
What do you mean it's out of your hands at that point?
I don't think it's out of my hands at that point.
What is out of my hands is that no matter what I, if people ask me about, you know,
why Kamala Harris was not coming out and releasing a statement about the significant differences
that she presented as opposed to the Biden administration's Gaza policy. Because I think
we agree that like she did not separate from Joe Biden in a meaningful way at all, right?
Like, yeah, yeah. And that's a big part of why she lost. So, um, so one of my biggest points
of contention, especially leaving the DNC where I got basically blackpilled, I was like,
I could not believe like how much people were celebrating it and how much people thought like,
Oh, we got this in the bag. Uh, when, when the situation on the ground showed a very different
reality, at least from my perspective, um, when Kamala Harris refused to sever ties with Biden,
and I know that would have been a complicated process regardless. And there'd be a lot of drama
surrounding it. But I think, uh, with, with expert messaging, that would have been very beneficial
for Kamala Harris, uh, similar to like Mark Carney versus, you know, Justin Trudeau, uh,
He like cutting the dead weight basically taking taking out an unpopular figure and then rising from the ashes and and presenting a bold new vision
Even within a hundred and seven days. She could have you know tried to do this
When when they didn't do that
the the and and they tried to win by you know hugging and kissing Liz Cheney and tried to win by like
Like going after this mythical moderate voter in the exact ways that Madaglacius and Jonathan
Shate and all these other people presented as a positive, like a lot of these commentary
folk that the Democrats do listen to for some reason, I don't know why.
When they ran around with this pivot to the center and kept repeating it, and media kept,
the consultant class kept repeating that this was like the appropriate thing to do, when
I had two options. I could have just been like, well, guys, you have to understand Kamala Harris is actually going to be much better than Donald Trump, which I did bring up with regular frequency, especially as it pertains to what Donald Trump was presenting,
mass deportations and what that would look like. And there are many, many videos where
I presented how terrifying a vision Donald Trump was spelling for the future of the
country versus what Kamala Harris was presenting, which conceded, because this was another holdover
from the Biden administration, conceded that undocumented migrants were actually a national
security interest, a national security issue, that they were actually leading the crime,
and that the only solution was a compromised position that wasn't mass deportations, but
instead was like, you know, deportation of some.
That was completely unnecessary because the main point that the Republicans drove home
was built around a lie, a lie that undocumented migrants are responsible for a higher share
of per capita crimes than natural born US citizens are.
never been okay with some deportations if someone's actually committing crimes
because the stats say that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at lower rates
than native born citizens. They commit crimes at very low rates, but if somebody
does commit a crime and they're caught here are you okay with deportation?
It's entirely dependent on what the crime is but I'm always gonna be an
advocate to make sure that like justice is served instead of like just
immediately trying to deport someone I would much rather have them sit in the
prison system if they've done, especially if they've done a heinous crime, is there's
no, there's no, there's no assurance that that person is actually going to stay in
prison when they are sent to a different country.
So I don't even fault you for not endorsing Connala in 2024.
I mean, I personally think she was way, way better.
And I'm sure that, I mean, we can, we can talk about the impacts that Trump has had.
And we'd agree.
But I mean, yeah, if she's, if she's going to run in such a risk averse way, I can understand
that. I just, uh, yeah, I think before we move on to the forward-looking message.
Like my argument, my argument is Kamala Harris didn't present that vision appropriately. And
that's why she lost. Like she should have, she should have sat there and been like,
what do you guys think mass deportation is going to look like? This is verbatim,
bar for bar, what I told both Democrat consultants and also party members,
including Rokana and many others, both privately and publicly. I was like,
explain to people what fucking mass deportations are going to look like.
You guys are running scared.
I know you see the polls that say 66% of the public want mass deportations.
They don't know what that looks like.
It's up to you to explain to them what that looks like.
And when they don't do that and they seed ground unnecessarily on this argument,
they end up causing a spectacular defeat,
where Donald Trump does come in and actually does start the process of mass deportations.
That was my argument.
And that's precisely what I mean when I say it's out of my hands at that point, because
no matter how much I yelled both of the Democrats, no matter how much I advocated for every single
day about how devastating a vision Donald Trump would look like if he actually won, the Democrats
still chose what they chose to do.
That's what I mean when I say it's out of my hands.
I don't know exactly how Gavin Newsom is going to run.
We don't know yet, it's too far out.
But my assumption when I say it's out of my hands is that Gavin Newsom represents the
same old business as usual politics that Kamala Harris ran on, that Democrats have run on
the past with the notable exceptions of Joe Biden and also Barack Obama, both ran on
a fairly, both ran on an objectively progressive policy agenda.
They didn't legislate that way.
But they did objectively run a much bolder policy vision than they actually ended up
fulfilling.
But my point is, if you don't do that, if you don't run a bold policy agenda-focused
vision, you are going to lose to the Democrats.
And I fear that that's what Gavin Newsom is going to do.
And that's why I meant like it's out of my hands at that point.
nothing I can do to salvage the reputation of the party because I've been there. I've been there in
2016, I was there in 2020, luckily it worked out, and I was there in 2024 and it didn't work out again
against Donald Trump. That's my argument. Yeah, so I agree that Kamala Harris definitely should
have taken more affirmative stances. One of my big problems with her is that she was super risk-averse.
I think that as a former prosecutor, there was a trope that she was just very meticulous with
with everything, single thing she does.
And I think that's representative
of a broader Democratic Party
that is just very risk averse.
And while they're risk averse,
they'll also finger wag and shame you over and over
for not voting for this candidate in that way.
I mean, the Democratic Party definitely has me disillusioned,
but yeah, I mean, I don't think it is
out of your hands at that point.
I mean, the messaging maybe,
like the messaging apparatus of the Democratic Party,
if Newsome advances the nominee is not out of your hands,
but there's still an entire administration
that you can pressure and push, if new somewhere to win in your direction, it's,
it's not going to keep doing that regardless.
I also said, but it's how you said this is at that point, it doesn't even matter.
And I can, I can understand.
What, what I, what I meant, and if you, if you listen to what the
conversation I was having afterwards is what I meant is like, it's, it's impossible.
And then this is a thing that I brought up over and over again with Kamala Harris
in 2024 is that there's nothing I can do to outflank the party.
And I'll let one example. I'll give you I think you'll agree with
Kamala Harris got a billion dollars right massive war chest. She comes in hot. She she comes out with this like I
Thought it was gonna be a visionary agenda. They choose Tim walls. They're coming out of the NC
I'm a little shook in my confidence in the party and
they dump 30 million dollars to the television market in Pennsylvania and
The the polls didn't even move a little bit
That was a major sign of alarm, major sign of concern for me.
At the time I said, this implies that people are hearing the message, but they're not identifying with it.
They don't like it. They don't like what Kamala Harris is presenting.
Because at that point, no matter how much money you spend, no matter how much you tell people that you're going to be better,
that you're going to be better than the Republicans and here is why, they were not responding positively to it.
And that should have been a really important point for Kamala Harris to pivot away, go back to the drawing board, and potentially come out with a more bold vision for change.
They didn't do that. And that's precisely what I mean when I say it's impossible for me to outflank a billion dollars of ad spend, Taylor Swift endorsements, Beyoncé endorsements.
I'm not saying I'm a small being and I'm just like utterly irrelevant. Of course.
No, no, we're not. I don't even think you can change the results of the election. That's not even what I claim
That's what a lot of people yell at me over. They they make it seem like I was the singular kingmaker or something
That's really dumb and any liberal saying that dumb any liberal saying that you need to line up behind Gavin Newsom
What the hell it's two years out. Do you do why do you think so many liberals were mad at that Jennifer Welch clip?
Like what's your steel man if I could ask what do I think about it?
Like no, why do you think?
It's the same. It's the same reason why everyone said the Bernie Bros were the reason why Hillary Clinton lost
It's the same reason why people still say third-party voters are the reason why Kamala Harris lost even though if all third-party voters
I'm sure you know voted for Kamala Harris. She still wouldn't have won the election
It's it's people looking for it's people looking for an alternative
It's not that their vision of what the Democratic Party should be doing is incorrect
entirely, it must be something else. So they're just looking to blame someone else and I'm
fine being that guy. I honestly disagree. I think a lot of the liberals I talk to and
a lot of the people in my audience don't think what you just said. I've got a massive liberal
audience online. I didn't ask them about this. I don't know. But I genuinely think a lot of
the criticism I saw on Twitter goes back to the conversation that I was kind of trying
to like not pin you down, but I was kind of trying to return to it over and over is the
the way that you word these things on your stream.
I genuinely think liberals take problem with that.
I mean, yeah, some people will be looking for a scapegoat
and will say that third party voters
like cost Hillary the election
or cost Kamala the election.
I mean, it's not, I don't think it's true
in the case of Kamala, but I think that
no one expects you to change the results of the election
or maybe not no one, no reasonable person
expects you to change the results of the election.
No reasonable person expects you to jump up and down
and start throwing Gavin Newsom two years
before we even have our candidates there.
Like no reasonable person is going to say,
if you would have said, I refuse to pre-commit to any candidate
and I want to use my leverage and I want to make sure
that we have an ideological battle
and I want to come out on top,
I'm not going to commit to anyone.
I think you could have minimized the amount
of liberal damage.
And you did explain right after
why you didn't vote for Kamala and how it was the same.
But the clip was way before, the clip ended way before that.
Yeah, but you're saying something different too now.
You're saying it's out of your hands,
but you did word it and you're live a lot every single day.
So you can't word it perfectly,
But you literally said, at that point, it doesn't even matter.
One day prior, you said like, Newsom is marginally better.
When liberal see all of this in totality, it's like, wow,
this guy doesn't think that the Democrats are even different.
And this guy has a lot of apathy towards who wins.
It came off as apathetic.
And like, I mean, I think there's a common criticism
on my line words.
Do you feel like some people want to feel like I'm apathetic?
Do you feel like, well, one, there's two different reasons
for, there's two different things I want to mention here.
one, the plurality doesn't vote, and therefore the plurality is apathetic, right? My audience,
as I've demonstrated already, is not apathetic, and they are voting for the Democratic Party when
push comes to the show. I think the plurality would be less apathetic if we could illustrate more,
but I think the plurality is apathetic because people say there's a marginal difference between
the parties. Okay, so this is a good point. So you think it's people like myself and others
that are creating this apathy and not the multi-billion-dollar messaging infrastructure
of the Democratic Party that is making it seem as though the differences are either
completely irrelevant for them, or inconsequential.
No, no, no, no.
No, no, no.
It could be both.
It could be both and.
Two things can be true.
Okay, so the Democratic Party is definitely...
Because that was the point I was making.
No, no, no.
But that was the point I was making.
That was the point I was making.
I was saying, like, you can't have plenty.
You can't have plenty.
Okay, sorry, sorry.
Well, no, that is precisely my point, which is that I can't outflank the party if the
party is constantly communicating that like they're gonna be moderate, they're gonna have
only marginal differences, but like they're gonna be the adult in the room.
And that's what they're communicating.
My reflection on that as being devastating is not going to actually change people's minds
that were gonna previously vote for the Democratic party and don't.
And that's precisely the reason why every, virtually everyone in this community voted
for Kamala Harris, regardless of the setbacks that she, regardless of her election hangups.
And that's the reason why I don't necessarily care what liberals say on the, on the internet.
Like if they want to yell at me, it's fine.
But one of the things that they consistently mention is like, oh, he's popular because
he's shitting on the Democrats.
And that is the problem.
You're basically recognizing that the Democratic Party is incredibly unpopular brand.
And we have to fix that.
If you want the Democrats to actually consistently and reliably win elections, which I care more,
a lot more about the policy agenda than I do about Democrats as a brand, as a party winning,
right?
Sure.
So that is the issue.
And these guys don't understand that that's the issue.
constantly recycling harm reduction narratives over and over again, doesn't actually make
people on the outside, the plurality of voters that do have that apathy, take a different
look at the Democratic Party. He just makes Democrats look like smug, elitist assholes who
are entitled to your vote. And for them, it can be both and it can be both and the Democratic Party
definitely needs some message better and draw the difference better. But I also think that the way
that you speak about it, I'm not blaming it all on you, by the way, not even blaming it,
mostly on you. I think that the way people speak about it is that the parties are the same, does
create that type of apathy as well. But they're not the same. We've walked through this entire
stream how there are meaningful people differences. You do recognize, I bring out, I talk about the
differences. If people that are watching the clips actually came and tuned into my live bragas or
even watched any of the YouTube videos or whatever, they would know that that's not all I say.
I watched like I watched multiple full-length videos and you really blur the lines and I'm not gonna when your audience
You do in the video you said two things back-to-back. You said
Democrats have literally written you out of existence later on you say Democrats would essentially shoot you it's fine to use hyperbole
No, you're watching you're watching you're bringing up two clips. There's those are two different clips
No, no, it's in the same video. There's the same video
I know, but I already explained to you that, but there's additional things I see in between
those two points.
Between these two strong declarative statements, you for a second say, yeah, sure, being a
trans person in a blue state is probably better than a red state, and then you go back to
saying the next statement.
The idea that, and there are a million examples I can show you if you want to see it, but the
The idea that I don't actually maintain the validity of the harm reduction argument, I
just don't present it as the number one solution.
I recognize that there is a difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.
The clips that people oftentimes will recirculate will be on issue specific things like Israel,
Palestine, like the continuation of genocide, right?
Like both off of the genocide that unfolded when Joe Biden was president and Kamala Harris
was vice president, and also the way that Kamala Harris communicated about what she would
do differently from Joe Biden, which was unfortunately nothing, right? Like there are certain aspects
of the, you know, we have a difference of opinion or rib, a different approach between
the democratic party and the Republican party that's just like not translating to the population
at all. And there's good reason for them to actually, there's good reason for the average
person to not think that there's any major difference between the two parties. As far
as genocide, genocide is still genocide. One is being conducted in a way where Trump is
also saying additional unhinged shit. The other one is being conducted where Joe Biden
keeps saying, oh, we have red lines, and then Benjamin Netanyahu keeps crossing them. Right?
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think the Democrats need to stand the fuck up. And I think that
this is an issue where Democrats definitely need to be meaningfully better than Republicans.
Yeah. I mean, it's, and it's not even just like, because it's electorally beneficial,
it's also unconscionable in general. And that was the reason why I, I said that, uh,
given both, uh, Kamala Harris's is lack of interest in like communicating a different
vision for what will happen, uh, with her leadership, uh, between, you know, uh, United
States and Israel. And given her, her, uh, tendency to lean into Joe Biden's, uh, agenda
on migration, the right-wing bill, the right-wing bill that they passed that they packaged as
a bipartisan bill that was like almost single-handedly written by that fucking Oklahoma senator
that basically offered money to build the wall. Like all of these things that they went back on,
people are, people are stupid, but they're not that stupid, right? If you say you're like anti-build
the wall for years and years, and then you're like right before the election on October 6, 2023,
you unveil a spending package that has money to build the wall. People are going to look at that
and go, oh, so Republicans were right all along that immigrants do constitute a national security
threat. And you guys were just fucking lying to us. And, and all you end up doing in that situation
is you don't, you don't get the moderates to come to your side to go, well, there's a reasonable
immigration agenda here. And the, and the Democrats are the only party that's going to advance this
reasonable immigration agenda. No, most people in the Democratic Party say, oh shit, I guess
undocumented migrants are doing the rapes and the decapitations or whatever the fuck
the Trump administration is saying. Maybe they were right.
Probably was pretty clear that that's not true though. I mean, Kamala drew the line.
I don't think she played into Trump's anti-immigration criminal record as much as she did.
But the concession is within the legislation. The concession, you don't give, you don't come
forward with a, well, first of all, she had plenty of fucking, I'm going to be strong
on the border video.
Were you okay with strengthening the border from buying an era? Did you want to continue
buying narrow policies? Cause right now I thought the Biden era policies were horrendous because
the first 100 days of immigration that, that he ran on, he did not accomplish at all. If
you go back to 2021, I believe it's in the month of February where I said, if the Biden
administration, when the, when the images came out of customs and border patrol whipping
the Haitian migrants of the Texas border.
You remember, they had the range on horseback.
And I said, the Biden administration
promised a comprehensive first 100 days
of dealing with the humanitarian crisis at the border.
And they had a lot of really good policies in there.
And those policies were supposed to revolve around
expeditions processing of migrants that are coming in
and offering them temporary protective status, going through expeditiously on their asylum
applications and making sure that they're relocated appropriately all around the country.
And they got so scared that the Republicans started instantly hitting the immigrants
are coming in to do rapes, lines over and over again, that they completely backed away
from it.
And they thought, as long as we don't address it, it'll go away.
And then Greg Abbott came out, Ron DeSantis came out, and they did the whole human trafficking
scheme, if you remember, where they took undocumented migrants that had crossed the border to legally
apply for asylum, and then they shipped them to Long Island and all these other places
with the express purpose of ruining the immigration process that was already underfunded.
At the time, I said, Joe Biden needs to punish Greg Abbott.
He needs to throw Greg Abbott in prison for human trafficking.
He needs to do the same thing for Ron DeSantis.
He needs to play hardball.
They didn't do that.
No one was held accountable.
And all it did was create a $12 billion budget
shortfall in places like New York City
that the federal government did not give immediate aid to,
that they could not give immediate aid to,
because they purposely bricked the immigration system that
exists, because these guys are supposed
process in Texas. The courts have adequate funds to have these guys be processed in the
state of Texas, right? And they didn't do that. They didn't do any of that. And that's
the reason why over the course of the three years, Joe Biden went from having a popular
agenda on immigration, winning the popular vote on a much more progressive agenda on
combating immigration with a more humanitarian framework moving towards amnesty, which again
has always been broadly popular as opposed to man's deportation. And he didn't do that.
And then they conceded on the right wing attitude on the white nativist anti-immigrant sentiment.
And that's the reason why they lost the election.
Yeah, I think that Biden's immigration policy left a huge vacuum for Donald Trump to then come in
with the most far-right immigration policy possible. I don't think they tried to act like all immigrants
for criminals or tried to demonize them in the same way, but yeah, they absolutely messed up.
And that kind of brings me to like a more affirmative message for the Democratic party and how we
need to not only run on things that excite people, run on things that actually turn people out.
It wasn't even by the way, Democrats, like Democrats completely conceded on the issue of
immigration, you don't agree? Like as a national party, as a national party.
I think that the Democrats are kind of just moving where most Americans are not there's basically saying
We should have a stronger border. We should make sure that people
Can come here legally in a safe way? We should make sure that people can come contribute to this country
But I think they're trying to end the abuse of the asylum process we saw under Biden
I just I don't agree that um have they conceded fully to Republicans. Is that what you're asking me?
No Democrats have not conceded fully to no, no not fully have they conceded the Republicans on
on the false notion that immigrants constitute a national security threat, do you think?
I haven't seen that, no, but-
You don't think that the October 6, 2023 bill was a concession to the faulty notion of complete-
The one written by Langford?
Yeah, the one that-
Can you name one mainstream Democrat who's called immigrants a national security threat?
No, of course not, but that bill was packaged as a reasonable and just approach to the problem
of criminal migration, like migration that was, and also then there's like the Lake and
Riley Act and all this other stuff that came along after Donald Trump.
I think that bill increased funding for asylum judges so that asylum seekers could be processed
in a more safe way.
was the very was absolutely not perfect but after two years of buying we're
even in the majority when they were trying to pass this bill
Biden went in Biden went in and acted as though this was a bipartisan bill with
little to no and this is according not to me but to you know numerous other
advocacy organizations that said that this bill unlike any other Democratic
party bill that was ever passed on immigration that was ever advocated to
pass on immigration, had little to none in terms of what you're talking about in terms
of the courts. There was some funding for the courts, but the bulk of the courts was
going to the bulk of the funding, hold on, the bulk of the funding went to the bulk of
the funding went to the apprehension of the ICE facilities, Department of Homeland Security
and funds that were about combating immigrant crime. Like that was, that was the main focus
of it. And the Democrats still had some residual fears about that, which is precisely the reason
why plenty of Democrats, a bunch of Democrats, not only have voted to fund ICE, both under
the Biden administration or give additional funds to ICE, but then also on top of that
voted for the Lake and Riley act, which was heinous. I think you and I both agree on that,
right? Yeah.
So that's in the reason why they found themselves with their pants down now when when the the issue has
Completely swapped to to our side my side maybe not even the Democratic Party side necessarily the way that they were
Communicating around it because you still at Chris Murphy and I believe January or February talking about how well, you know
Joe Biden actually deported more migrants than Donald Trump did but he didn't do it in such violent ways as though
That's like somehow supposed to be better
because all of that is a concession that like migrants need to be removed from the boundaries of the state.
Like there is no need to make a concession like that because you and I both agree that migrants are our neighbors.
The difference between an undocumented person and a documented person is paperwork that for 23 years prior to the existence of the department of
Homeland Security were their deportations. Of course, there were every now and then having said that they were conducted by the
INS. It wasn't like this militant organization known as ICE that was specifically doing interior
removals because it was a civil offense. It was a paperwork violation. And that's what
I want to get back to. I want to bring the clock back to a time where we had a more reasonable
approach because this is a nation comprised of entirely immigrants with the exception
of the indigenous population and black people.
If you could choose how the Democratic candidate in 2028, even throughout the primary, messages
on immigration, how do you think they should do it for the vast majority of American people
who think that Biden was weak on the border?
And this is just what people think.
I mean, I think that Biden had a lot of errors, and I think a lot of American people think
that he was incredibly weak on the border, that obviously led a pathway to Donald Trump,
Kamala Harris, obviously.
I don't even think she conceded it as much as you're saying.
I mean, her platform was-
Yeah, countermessage.
It was-
Countermessage.
No.
No point do you do you seed ground? Here's the reasoning on a pathway to citizenship
Yeah, so was your Biden and then he didn't actually do that at all
That's my point like that the amnesty framing is good
But that wasn't the not only was that not the primary vehicle of her immigration agenda
The primary vehicle of her immigration agenda was the bipartisan bill that was actually more reasonable and
That Donald Trump was actually trying to undermine that because he wanted to use immigration as like a talking point
Right. Like that was the communication.
Run on Lankford's bill.
Kamala did not run on Lankford's bill.
No, I was a ran.
A Kamala ran on a pathway to citizenship.
And I believe they did talk about how nasty portations would be bad.
Definitely not sufficiently.
No, they, they, they ran border ads, like talking about how she
prosecutes transnational gangs.
Like they were very clearly communicating that they were going to
take a much harder approach because they were afraid.
They were afraid of, they were running scared and they were afraid of the.
So how you're the American saying that they want mass deportation.
They saw that poll and they freaked the fuck out.
If you're the Democratic candidate in 20, 20, how do you message around this so
that people in America don't think you're weak and soft on the border?
Like Biden was not saying you are.
I'm just saying, so people don't get the idea that it's going to be another Biden.
Yeah, there's also like Kamala Harris did blame Donald Trump over and over again
for killing Lankford's bill, by the way, like it, including in debates.
You know that, right?
I think that she's trying to illustrate the point that Trump doesn't care about
immigration. Yeah, but what does that say to the average person that doesn't say
that Trump is running that Trump is that Trump in the Republicans are not
going to responsibly deal with this issue in a long-term way that they're
likely just going to use this as a political cudgel and then do mass
deportations that are violent. Adam, I think look I'm not your enemy but I do
think you're debating a little bit here. I think the whole point is that
that was a failed strategy. And Donald Trump ended up winning on immigration because Kamala
Harris was presenting herself, uh, as, as accepting of the right wing framing that the
Lankford bill was good and that the, the Lankford bill was also presented as like a very militant
approach to, to immigration because they were afraid, they were afraid that they saw those
polls that says 66% of people want mass deportation. It never should have gotten to that point.
It never should have gotten to that point at all. No one in America should have ever said 66%
of us believe in mass deportation. We're a nation of immigrants. It got to that point. And guess
what? Even then, the polls also still showed that given the option between mass deportation and
mass amnesty. Americans have never historically chosen mass deportation over mass amnesty.
Did you know that? No, I didn't. But what was your affirmative message?
But you would have known that if you watched me, or even if you watched my Rokana video,
or my Rokana conversation, because I brought it up to Democrats over and over again. This
is what I'm saying. Like, this is my, like, I have a broad vision for a better future.
And I try to communicate that the Democrats are the best of my ability. If they don't want to
to fucking listen. It's out of my hands. And that goes back to the same point. I want to
have a conversation with Gavin Newsom. I want to communicate to Gavin Newsom what these
spectacular failures look like. But if he's too busy yucking it up with fucking Steve
Bannon, Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro talking about how his son is a major Charlie Kirk
fan, talking to Ben Shapiro and apologizing to Ben Shapiro on Israel, not being a genocide
or apologizing to Ben Shapiro about what his like social media team said about Gavin Newsom's
podcast strategy. I don't know, but no, no, no, but his podcast strategy is deliberate
because he wants to, he, he thinks,
faulty or not, that if he communicates a certain attitude to as many people as
possible, that he positions himself as a moderate figure is going to be tough on
crime, who's actually going to be conciliatory to, to Republican figureheads,
that that's how he's going to win the fucking election. And I have no other,
I have no other way to approach what his his advocacy is going to look like what his policy
agenda is going to look like this far out.
But my assessment is judging by his pivot to the center attitude with his policies that
he's presenting on the podcast that he's doing so that he can win the elections or they become
the presidential candidate, judging off of that, there's not anything I can do is out
of my hands if he runs in the same way that Kamala Harris did.
I think that's why we pressure them hardcore in the primary.
But I do want to ask, so you're running Newsom's campaign, I guess we don't have to use Newsom
as a stand-in.
No, I mean Newsom as a stand-in.
There's good stuff.
There's good stuff in Newsom.
No, okay.
So you're running it.
How do you model the immigration platform so that you don't scare off people and that
you also have an affirmative, exciting message that's broke?
Yeah.
We're a nation of migrants.
Donald Trump is, Donald Trump and the Republican reactionary forces are constantly pitting
neighbor against neighbor.
People are the backbone of the American economy and they've been here for 10 plus years. They've worked tirelessly to make sure that you have fucking
tomatoes and and you know tomatoes in your salad and guacamole on your your
Chipotle
What so far that's the Democratic Party stance entirely. No, hold on. I it doesn't matter
I'm not gonna fucking concede on it, you know, Lankford bills or say that like ice is supposed to
to exist in the way that it does at all, I, there is a clear difference between someone
like myself and the way that Gavin Newsom has communicated thus far or the way that
like the National Democratic Party is currently being perceived, right?
The reason why we think they're being weak is because they are too conciliatory.
They say, oh, people want to abolish ICE.
It now has like plurality.
And yet the, the major Democrats are refusing to say that.
And they're saying, no, ICE actually wants body cameras.
from a harm reduction standpoint, body cameras are better than nobody cameras, right? Even
though Jonathan Ross was filming himself when he shot Renee good. Technically, body cameras
could potentially bring about some semblance of accountability. That's harm reduction.
But the difference shouldn't be between body cameras versus no body cameras. The difference
is abolish ice versus keep ice at the current level of funding versus take ISIS funding
away than have inevitably abolish it and go back to the previous structure that existed
where the department of Homeland Security wasn't this massive, palantir backed Israel
style surveillance apparatus, but instead was a, there was a more just process that actually
yielded American prosperity for decades and decades when people knew that they could come
here and work fucking hard and become an American citizen because that's what's beautiful about
the United States of America.
No matter where you come from, you can't live in Turkey and become Turkish.
You can't live in England and become English, but if you live in the United States of America,
you can become American.
You know who said that?
Ronald Reagan.
That's who fucking said that.
And that's what I would say.
I would be like, listen, that's the beauty of America.
And the Republican party of today has, has become this, this hate-mongering behemoth
at the behest of the billionaire pedophilic cabal.
We are no longer, we're no longer entertaining these false notions that pit neighbor against
neighbor and we're going with a bold and radical vision that says you work hard and you get
more of an earning. You get a bigger percentage of the pie that you have actually created.
We're going to work at the behest of the working class. We're no longer going to care about
the billionaire pedophiles. We're going to fucking arrest them. We're going to apprehend
them if they're doing crimes. We're going to bring about accountability. That's the
way I would go about it.
I also think that after ICE is abolished, which I totally agree, we should be running
on all of this, but after ICE is abolished, I think that Democrats need to run on something
like a new law that has criminal penalties for any government actors that just recklessly,
knowingly, or purposefully violate Americans' rights.
That's a framework that we're working on because a lot of it's inside the Civil Rights
Division, which Trump has totally corrupted and which people have resigned multiple times
since Renee Good was shot.
So I do think that Democrats need to run on a more affirmative immigration message.
That's what I've been working on as well.
I've been appealing a lot to my family who moved from Syria in the early 80s and saying
that look at, they became incredibly successful if hired dozens of families have a, or hired
dozens of people, fed dozens of families, they have, you know, helped build a great
community in Indiana.
But um, yeah, I agree that Democrats need to run like that.
I mean, we don't disagree.
But okay.
So the last question I have for you is, it seems like you want to, you want to be done
with this conversation.
I totally understand.
Okay.
And Kamala Harris also vowed to sign the border bill that Trump derailed, as she spoke about
on her DNC speech as well, because they were presenting it as like Trump is a derailer.
Trump is actually not serious about tackling the immigrant crime narrative.
And that they were going to be serious, unlike Donald Trump, which again, I kept saying over
and over again that that was a major mistake.
What if, let's say, Gavin Newsom runs scared in a similar fashion?
Do you feel like we will be able to overcome voter apathy, or should we rely on how scared
people are with how devastating Trump has been and hope that whoever the Democratic
Party presents is going to eke out a marginal victory?
No, it should be, sorry, should we rely on harm reduction narratives is what you're asking?
Well, my point, the thing that I am, the thing that I'm trying to present to you is that
if Gavin Newsom, the way that he's communicated so far on his podcast and one night, if he
actually, if that materializes into his like presidential candidacy, he puts a bit out
there for himself as a guy who is going to run scared or going to be more moderate than
the way that the Democrats have been presented so far, they're too woke, all the stuff,
and goes along with that.
And then he ends up losing to JD Vance.
Do you feel like that will be because of people like yourself and myself who had differences
in opinion with Gavin Newsom, who still tried their very best to communicate that like JD
Vance is going to be, you know, even more devastating and somehow more palantir-backed
than this current administration, or do you think it'll be in the hands of the Democratic
Party at that point?
I agree with you. I've agreed with you this entire time. It's in the hands of the Democratic
Party. It's in the hands of, honestly, us to have a good ideological battle and make
sure that whoever wins the primary is somebody who is not going to run or concede to Republicans.
My entire thesis this time has not been that, or my thesis this entire time has not been
that it's us that does. I think that it's on the Democratic Party, absolutely.
Okay, I think a lot of people that yell at me don't want to come to terms with that reality because that's my argument.
Listen, listen, it's not your fault if the Democratic Party loses. It's not your fault if Gavin Newsom wins the primary.
My entire point earlier in the steelman I was trying to make for the liberal movement is just responsible, platforming,
and speaking about the Democratic Party in a way that doesn't minimize the gap.
And I disagree with you that that's just based on clips that have been spread out there.
there. I watched a decent amount of your content. It just felt like there was a repeated minimization, but
yeah, um, there's uh, sorry, I'm getting blasted. Um, I just look, simply put, I, I, uh,
my community myself, like we work, we work hard to get Democrats elected. It's the only
feasible option for people who are on our side of the ideological spectrum.
There's no third party viability.
And also, I've never, you know, contrary to what people think, I've never actually supported
Jill Stein for the record.
I told people that I won't endorse Kamala Harris, having said that if there's one person
I would urge people not to vote for, it's Donald Trump.
And I also did communicate to people that Jill Stein is, you know, a little bit of a,
the closest I would ever arrive at, like someone being an op, right? Someone who is just materialized
every four years. A lot of people got mad at me for that. That's just my assessment.
And I, I stand on that. Yeah. Having said that, having said that, um, the reason why
I did not go out on an affirmative, uh, uh, campaigning for the reason why I didn't affirmatively
campaign for Kamala Harris over and over again is because of the things that I
just already explained to you and I think you seemingly agree with that and
that's precisely where I'm at as far as as far as as like where the blame lies. I
think at the heart of the Democratic Party there's still this attitude that
like Democrats are entitled to the votes of marginalized people, Democrats are
entitled to the votes of the working class because after all the Republicans
are far, far worse for labor rights than the Democrats are, and this is true, right?
But why don't people recognize that? Why do they still go back to culture war narratives?
That is what I want to solve. And I know what the reason for that is. And I think a lot
of people don't want to recognize that. A lot of people that say, no, you're wrong.
And the Democrats keep losing because you're just not voting hard enough for them. Don't
want to recognize
that democrats are judged by their weakest members as a national party they
are judged by the joe mansions
they're judged by the kirsten cinemas
they're judged by mark kelly
sometimes when he's being weak on on uh... you know union related issues
and it's totally understandable that they're judged by the weakest figures in
the party because those weakest figures in the party
are the ones who actually completely destroy
comprehensive policy agenda of the Democrats. And because I will constantly shift the blame
back to people in positions of power, whether it be the Democratic Party or the National
Party or their capabilities to whip these votes that are necessary to go forward with
a comprehensive vision that they advocated for, understandably, when that legislation
doesn't happen, people look at it and go, okay, so you're not on my side. But you're
not on my side. You don't care about these issues. That's the real reason. And that's why there's
such a massive disconnect between a lot of consultants and the public in general. I see it
all the time with the consultants that I read, with the writers that I read, where they constantly
talk about, like, why don't the labor movement understand that the Democrats are far better?
Joe Biden walked the picket line, right? I mean, Joe Biden walked the picket line for the UAW.
That's massive. That's unheard of. There's no president as I don't think any American president
has ever walked an active picket line, right? That's a huge deal. And yet the labor union
or the rank and filers and many of these labor unions still ended up voting for Donald Trump.
Why is that the case? Don't you want to find out why?
Yeah, yeah, because obviously the average person didn't understand what was happening.
No, it's not the reason. That's not the only reason rather because harm reduction doesn't
fucking work as a, as a, as a, I agree with you on that. I agree with that. And the average
person, you know, the average rank and fileer thinks they think at the end of the day, they
stopped the rail strike. And I fucking consistently kept explaining to rank and file union members
that are in my chat, labor organizers in my chat, that the Biden administration quietly
actually made the railway companies concede on some of the demands that were being made
by the Unis, but they didn't care because they stopped a fundamental vehicle of change
for the labor unions when they openly went out and said, you can't strike, you can't
do a railroad.
I agree with you that harm reduction isn't a sufficient way to sell our policies.
I've said that a few times.
I definitely think we need something more affirmative.
I just have you been following the Talerico versus Crockett primary in Texas at all?
Yeah. I mean, I that one's that that was a doozy.
Dude, this one's really blackpilling me on the way that like the way that people
listen, I really respect Jasmine Crockett as a candidate or as a person.
I think she's she's a firebrand who's stuck at the Trump and was a great
representative of that district.
But the way that people are attacking anyone online who endorses Talerico is
really just really just not cool. I've seen my friends get
called like white supremacists. Yeah, this is the James, not
James Canafini. This is the meme of the first time when we're
at the fucking, we're at the gallows. And I'm like, first
time. That's, no, this is what it is. And look, I've been doing
this. I've been doing this since 2016. Yes. Yeah. I don't like
the identity politics, like weaponization either. But I
actually, I don't even think that just happens from liberals. I
I see it happening on both sides.
You know, it's interesting.
The way that I saw Tallarico,
or the way that I saw Tallarico people
being attacked by Crockett supporters,
I've seen it happen from lefties to liberals,
liberals to lefties.
I just think that online Twitter conversations
are absolute trash.
But yeah, Tallarico's platform is really solid.
I think you'd be really good in the Senate.
And I don't like the way that this primary
is being conducted.
No, I don't either.
But unfortunately, this is being a primary method
that Democrats, especially established Democrats,
have deployed against the left with regular frequency.
And most of my establishment audience is very pro-Tolerico.
I don't think like I'm not sure something will.
No, but there's a lot of people,
there are a lot of people that-
There's like random creators or whatever.
Yeah, there are a lot of random creators on the internet
that will deploy those cynical lines of attack.
And not only that, but when asked,
okay, well, where were you for Ilhan Omar
when she was being unjustifiably smeared all up
down the timeline. Where were you for Corey Bush? Where were you for Jamal Bowman? Where
are you now for Summer Lee when she needs help every now and then? They're noticeably
absent from that conversation because there is an ideological slant there. There is an
ideological slant there where they think these guys are actually different than the establishment
Democrats. It's actually not on the basis of a defense against white supremacy at all.
It's almost always about potentially where they're getting their bag from.
That's what I think, at least.
Or-
Yeah, I mean, I want to say on that note, like, I see that you've been talking a lot
about Chorus on your timeline, too.
I know a lot of Chorus creators who are very pro-Talerico, so I don't think they're being
paid to be pro-crocket.
I think it's-
No, no, no.
I don't think Chorus has, like, a whip over all of their creators at all.
I don't think they're like, you have to go out and, like, attack, put some on or whatever.
No, I think there's a lot of unfair attacks against Chorus.
I get it. I'm not even a part of chorus. I've never taken money from them.
I was like, on one meeting when they launched, but I think that it's a pretty
solid group that is not funded by Israelis. I don't know.
There's a lot of really pro-Palestine people in the group.
I don't know who's in the group. That's kind of a part of the, uh,
well, we don't know exactly who's in the group.
And we know who's some people have openly talked about it and have said that there's
like, there's people who have said openly that they're part of chorus and have
also called Joe Biden genocide. Joe,
I see a lot of people in my comments always asking me, like,
Are you taking chorus money? Is that why you're such a liberal or whatever?
And it's like, no, I mean, I don't think, I think there's a lot of really unfair attacks of chorus when it's just
I think, I think chorus is a good answer to, I think chorus is a good answer to like the daily wire where
it is like there is a necessity to combat Republican disinformation.
There is an endless faucet of money that is being dumped into quote-unquote independent
media from the exact same corporate benefactors that fund the Republican Party, that fund
the think tanks, that fund, that run ads on Fox News.
And I think that there needs to be a faucet of pro-democratic party content out there
that is addressing that misinformation, that's fighting against that. I agree with it on principle.
I personally don't think that you should take any money whatsoever. There's plenty of people that
have approached me to give me money for my advocacy, whether it be like PACS or advocacy groups,
like I don't think you should do that on principle. That's what I think. I think that that is what's
That's what's so good about being an independent content creator is that you can be beholden
to your audience and your audience only.
And you can, I mean, that's part of the reason why my only revenue comes from not even like
sponsors or anything, but people subscribing to my Twitch channel.
I think that gives you longevity as well.
It gives you editorial independence.
said that what I was talking about with like the, the one chorus content creator was a,
he was straight up in the tank for a, a Wesley, what's his name? Wesley bell in, in Missouri.
I mean, that's, that is a, you know, Wesley bell was entirely an APAC puppet, $20 million
in that race against a wonderful person. Cory Bush, who was a spectacular fighter who was
uh... an incredible champion of human rights and was uh...
was a fantastic
uh... fantastic congressperson
israel literally straight up
punished her
because she
was right to early
and
that chorus creator
saying you know fuck uh... fuck kory bush i don't like kory bush i love was
you know i'm like okay like
chorus creators
are known to be chorus affiliated shouldn't be running around saying shit like that because
then you look like you're being paid by Israel as my point. Like it's a dispute.
I absolutely agree. But your tweet kind of reads like you were implying that chorus is like full
of Israeli assets. I don't know. I think that no, I don't think there are. I think there are a lot
of, uh, there are a lot of content creators that are obviously more establishment, Democrat aligned
and that just happens working with chorus that just happened to, you know, that, that happened to maybe
not talk about Israel as much. I don't think that it's like being paid by Israel. What?
You don't think they're being paid to not talk about Israel? You just think they happen to not
talk about it? Yeah, I think it's a self-selecting group of people. But there are some people,
from what I understand, that are also chorus content creators who are outspoken on the
issue of genocide. Yeah, that's fair. I see a lot of unfair attacks. But I don't, but I don't,
But I think it's just, that's just, that's how it works in, in not to bring up manufacturing
consent so close to, um, you know, Noam Chomsky's, uh, new revelations and his connection to Jeffrey
Epstein, but usually it's a, it's a self-selecting process. It's not like people are not being
bribed to do something. People are more so already inclined to do something. And then
they, they are the ones who rise up through the ranks or get rewarded for it.
And I do think that if the if the project of course is supposed to defend the Democratic Party
Then of course the people that they're going to select for the most part are gonna be people to defend the party
And if the party is defending Israel, then they're also going to be going after people who for the most part defend Israel
If you could ask Gavin Newsom a few questions, what would you what would you what would you want to ask him? Oh
I have so many questions to ask him
I wonder how he thinks he will overcome the Don't-California, my state narrative that
will destroy his campaign.
I would ask him why his solution to combating homelessness after years and years has not
been around a housing first policy, and instead it's just been riddled with like institutional
hurdles, hang up after hang up, an overall refusal to try to fix the housing market in
the state of California, which has some of the most expensive housing markets in the
world, you know, those those would be probably my main concerns because like, I think Gavin
Newsom is going to get hit on everything. But I think if I were to think of like the
most consequential thing for Gavin Newsom, it would be, it would be housing. Also, why
Why won't he talk to me? That's the other thing.
Cause I know that he has fans of mine that work on his team that I've like communicated
with and he has, he's done basically every podcast, but mine for some reason.
I have no clue.
I think I know why he doesn't want to have a contentious conversation with someone
that will, you know, that will come at him from his left flank.
Well, dude, it seems like we agree on a lot, which we, we predicted.
I think that we agree on a lot of the flaws of the Democratic Party and even a lot of
the prescriptions.
But, um, yeah, I mean, I hope I was able to at least bring the strongest liberal argument
as to why people are mad at you online.
I genuinely do think that there are some very valid criticisms, um, and I tried to bring
them up and we talked about them.
But yeah, I mean, people are always going to throw unfair shit around.
And I think there's a, there's a stronger argument to be made.
Yeah.
I mean, look, I, I, if there's one takeaway that I hope liberals who came in here,
here, like that wanted you to fucking destroy me in the marketplace of ideas came in.
If there's one thing that they should sincerely listen to me on, it's that I first and foremost
despise the Republican Party, and I want to destroy the Republican Party, and my criticisms
of the Democrats stem from sometimes their closeness to the Republican Party and their
conciliatory tone to Republican policies.
Because I personally believe that that's not only bad politics in general, because it makes
people just go, okay, I guess the Republicans are right.
And I also believe that it's bad policy in general as well, because I don't want a dename
associated with reactionary policymaking and then assume that it's still going to be far
better than whatever the fucking Nazi party is going to present, because they will always
destroy the Democrats when it comes to being more militant, when it comes to being more
racist. You can never outflank the Republicans on hatred. You cannot present a more moderate
approach to hatred. It�s just not going to work. And that�s the reason why there
have been a sequence of electoral defeats over and over again. But I do think that most liberals
are finally waking up to that reality, that the electability argument is not on the side
of moderates, but instead on the side of people like Bernie Sanders, I'm excited to have a
good primary. Who would you, uh, who's your dream ticket right now? Or I guess who do
you want to see just like in the primary put up a fight? Um, I like, obviously AOC, um,
Rokana, Chris Van Hollen. Um, I would say those are, uh, and then my sleeper pick, depending
on how he, like of course I love Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar and stuff, but like I'm talking
about like who has ambitions for higher office in general, um, and, and summer Lee as well.
But I, um, as far as like the three contenders that I brought up, those are three, the, the
dark horse is, uh, again, entirely dependent on how they would design their campaign.
like someone like John Stuart could be interesting, even though I don't think he's even remotely
invested in that. And, or like a Sean Fain, for example, like an outsider pick and then
my sleeper pick. Once again, depending on how he actually communicates on the issue
of Israel, because he's both been really good early on and then really bad. John Ossoff.
I think John Ossoff is a very, I think John Ossoff is a, is the reason why I call him
sleeper pig is because I think he's a very interesting guy. I think he is more progressive
than he lets on and that's and and I'm saying this only as someone who's like paid very close
attention to how he has communicated at times and my chat is already fucking up my ass for saying
that. John Assoff when it was not even remotely favorable to do so in fucking Georgia came out
and had an anti-Israel position out of nowhere and he's jewish
And he came out and then he got fucking yelled at like every every uh, like jewish advocacy organization
Immediately came after him and we're like what the fuck are you doing? What the fuck are you saying?
And he quickly conceded he was like oh my bad my big mistake
um, obviously there's also the lake and riley bill, uh, uh, the vote that he made but for me
I remember the moment where before pressure
uh, but in the absence of pressure
He had a unique moment there, not to say that he's like my favorite candidate at all, but I do think depending on how he presents himself.
If he came out and he was like, listen, let's not take a single penny from APAC, let's not give a single penny to Israel.
Let's hold accountable special interest groups and let's challenge them. Let's run a vigorous anti-corruption campaign.
campaign. John also, he used to run like an investigative company that would
investigate corruption. So I think that's why he's got such strong anti-corruption
messaging. It stems from that. I think that Medicare for All, I think that running
on affirmative message that can unify people. My team has been talking about
reforming the tax code to end all the special tax breaks and loopholes for
corporations. That could raise quite literally like trillions and extra
revenue. There's like 80 special tax breaks that need to be completely erased.
We need a Democratic Party that comes out and is able to just message on this in a very,
very excitable way. I think also if could do it. I like Pritzker, obviously.
He's not perfect, but I think that him being a billionaire could lead to an interesting
campaign where he basically doesn't take any, he can run like the Trump type campaign where he
doesn't take much more. Well, also him being a billionaire also, you know, I have an inherent
distrust of billionaires. I'm discriminatory towards POWs, POC, people of cash, POWs, people
of wealth, you know, the real, the only minority in the country.
I think he'd run a hell of a campaign. People want me to ask you about Zoran and his platform.
You like Zoran, don't you?
Yeah, I interviewed him when he was before the primary like literally like months and months before the primary
I got an interview with him because his wife is from Syria in my family
Immigrated from Syria, so they kept sending me his clips and everything and I was like, okay
I'm I reached out and they were down to talk to me. I like him. He's incredibly captivating
I think that he proves that if you just have simple
Intuitive policies that can reach the American people that excite the American people
they'll show up. He kind of fits the mold of the anti-establishment populist
outsider who's gonna come in and shake up the system and I think that's the mold
that really works right now. Kind of how Trump is run. I think that's the mold that
is worked always. Yeah it's kind of the mold in American politics that works. I
don't even think it's it's how sufficiently left you are that matters
because weren't there exit polls showing that people thought that Kamala and
Zoran are basically similar on the spectrum. So it's not even about how
it's just how intuitive your policies are, how captivating they can be. You said
this earlier, but saying people think Kamala Harris is more woke than, uh, more left than
Bernie Sanders. People think Kamala Harris is more left than Zoram Amdani. Yeah. And
that's a messaging failure, obviously. And I think that's not, that's not just a messaging
failure though. That, that, that to me shows that like people just only people define you
as what you're, what either you are capable of defining yourself as and with Kamala, that
was a failure.
she was defined by what her opposition was defining her as. And then also there's the
obvious side of the story, which is that she's a black woman from California. And I think that was
what was the reason why people were like, oh, she's so woke. She's so liberal. She's far too liberal.
That's my point is that like, Americans don't actually make these sorts of decisions.
80% of them make it on simple team sports, D versus R. And then the 20% that vote,
vote on ideological grounds for the most part,
but most people bracket themselves
on just simple, simple team sports.
Like, that's it, that's usually what it is.
Yeah, I agree.
One of Kamala's campaigns was,
or one of Kamala's policies,
I can't remember, it was like,
it was like student debt relief,
only if you live in a certain area,
you're under a certain income.
It was like the most, not only confusing, but the amount of qualifiers that were in
there honestly just made me feel like-
$50,000 in tax credits for small businesses, like this kind of stuff sucks.
And I was regularly, I was regularly railing on the, on the campaign for putting this out
there.
I was like, this is not, her best, Kamala Harris' best fucking poll policy was literally
price checks.
She straight up came out and said, and she framed it perfectly.
She framed it in a liberal way.
She said, we're going to go after price gouging. Okay. She said, we're going to go after price
gougers at the grocery stores. That was polling at 70 fucking percent. Okay. And then the
Republicans went crazy. They were like price gouging. She means price controls. That's
communism. That's communism. And for two months, they railed against her. The New York Times
wrote an article about how silly this was, how stupid this policy was, how it would never
You want to know what she was polling at two months after those attacks?
Well, 89% no one gives a fuck if something is called communist or not if someone's like I'm gonna fucking force
I'm gonna use the government to force the prices down
No one gives a shit about the the
Ideological impact or whether or not this is like appropriate or not. That's my point
I kept repeating it over and over again and then her brother-in-law who is you know, a legal counsel
that fucking Uber came onto the campaign and was like, cut it out with this like anti-billionaire
popular shit. There are good billionaires out there. You need those good billionaires on your
side. And then Mark Cuban was tapped as a, as a spokesperson for the campaign. And then the
campaign took a very different term, a very different term from that point on. This is,
these are all things, like I was there when these decisions were being made. I saw it happen in
in real time and I couldn't fucking believe how bad the strategy was. And they were, quite
frankly, running as though they didn't want to fucking defeat a fascist administration
that was coming, but instead they wanted to win with their own ideological goals. They
wanted to win without, you know, the free Palestine crowd and all these people that
were spoilers in the never got a party. And that's precisely why a lot of liberal content
at the time, kept saying over and over again, we don't need you. We don't need you. We don't need the
left. We will win without you. There are plenty of them that are probably watching this debate right
now and they know exactly who they are. They kept saying, finally, once we win the Democratic Party,
once we win without all these fucking, you know, pro-Hamas, free Palestine protesters, we will show
the country that we don't need them. And lo and behold, it didn't work. And it wasn't because
people like myself had apathy for the party and didn't go out and vote. It was because all the
fucking people that had previously voted for the Democratic Party were like, I don't really care.
This doesn't seem all that different for me. It's just, you know, the exchange of power between
Republican and Democrat doesn't matter to me at all. That's the average voter's position.
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna defeat that apathy, but I know that there's no way to defeat that
apathy if the Democratic Party doesn't actively present a radical vision that corresponds to the
people's needs? Yeah, I guess I have one final question that I've got to go to a watch party
for Raja versus Juliana Stratton they're debating tonight and it's like a Chicago race I kind of
care about. Yeah. What do you think about a universal tax rebate where it's like an intuitive
policy we end all the special loopholes that billionaires are able to take advantage of
industry like a tax rebate for Americans obviously not far enough but you think that's a good policy
we could run on that's intuitive what do you say i mean at first glance it feels uh complicated
like it doesn't uh like it's not it's not easy to billionaires don't pay a lot of taxes because
they're able to take advantage of loopholes let's end these loopholes and give that money back to
the American people. Yeah, that that seems a little bit like I'm, you know, I feel like I'm
more sympathetic to, to that, you know, I wouldn't call it a rebate, though. Okay, well,
send you I'll send you my document on it. And we're coming up with a project 2029. It's the most
we're calling it the most vicious anti corruption campaign to end special interest group control
and revive our democracy I love I love an anti-corruption slant I think that I
mean that's what Donald Trump was doing like Donald from 2016 when he said
drain the swamp what do you think that was that was an anti-corruption
campaign I mean obviously he wasn't ever going to fucking drain this is just
crazy that's what he ran on and he pulled the rug on everyone so much that he
started a Trump coin yeah that's why he also said he fucking was a the most
peaceful candidate we know he wasn't the peaceful candidate he was fucking
president and that is like that was so frustrating to me that like they didn't just go what the
fuck do you mean the most peaceful candidate you were president for four years and you
like assassinated high ranking generals of a foreign adversary in contravention of like
all the rules of war and and you were dangerously unstable at times over and over again you
You accelerated drone warfare aggressively. You said you were going to fucking pull out
of Afghanistan. You didn't. And then you left that negotiation to be handled by the Biden
administration. And then you punished Biden for actually being courageous enough to pull
out of Afghanistan. Like, like there were so many opportunities. Anyway, I know you've
got to go. There's so many opportunities for the Democrats to present themselves as like
different than the Republicans. And then just failed is it's so frustrating to look back
I wish they would have you know released the the autopsy that they conducted
I don't know even the fact that they won't release it and even though like the autopsy itself as I assume
Conducted by like, you know the very same consultants that want to engage in some level of ass-covering implies that it must have been devastating
Well, um as we get closer to the primary we should have more we should have more of these
Conversations I think I think that healthy ideological debates good
I think that when you're limited to 280 characters or whatever the fuck everyone online is just so incredibly
Condescending I think Twitter is making people dumber. It's just it is what I get from the left like here's the thing
I the condescension that I see
Sometimes coming to you from Liberals. I also get from the left
So I think it just creates an environment where we're all kind of talking past each other and creating tension
I saw so many straw man's where people were like Hassan needs to endorse music
And then I saw people saying, why does every liberal one
decide to follow that?
I don't know.
It just feels like everyone was talking past each other when.
OK.
Well, here's what you can't do.
You just can't listen to them.
I don't.
I just, you know, I hope that people will be smart enough
and intelligent enough to basically come in here
and see what I'm about.
And that's why so many liberals are always confused.
They're like, why do the Podjons always associate themselves
with this dangerous, terroristic individual or whatever?
And it's like, yeah, because they're fucking adults and I talk to them and they know what like they've known who I am for years and years.
They know what my advocacy looks like.
They know what my, uh, what my organizational principles are.
And perhaps that's the reason why they don't have a, they don't have the same opinion that like random Twitter users do.
But again, my hope is that people will remain charitable and will eventually come in.
And and and they will hear what I have to say and they'll realize oh, okay
He is actually making a more comprehensive vision
He also he has a more comprehensive vision than what I saw in a 30-second clip that he's not like
Saying that there is a functionally no difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party at all or that like
You know, there's more to this assessment
Because people love using that one clip when I was talking about like Kamala Harris is not
going to be, Kamala Harris is not going to represent a difference for the
Palestinians than Donald Trump. No, I understand the context around that,
Clip, but I still will stay firm that there's like a dozen occasions I was
searching through where you do just say something that is really either
hyperbolic or irresponsible without following up afterwards. And I think we
talked about that because then you said you do think, yeah, I think it's really
important for your audience for you to keep repeating. But I do that. I already do that.
You see it. I saw yeah, I don't know
I have people saying that Gavin Newsom is quite literally not you but people are like Gavin Newsom is just JD Vance with a blue tie
And I went I think they get that from the type of you know
Way that you word this Democrats would shoot you in the head to get trans votes or true trans people in the head to get extra
Votes like when I see people in my reply is then saying Gavin Newsom is the same as the Democrats are same as a Republican
But just with a different color tie. I'm like, I don't know
know, it seems like a lot of people think that both parties are just marginally different
or at least, um, would rule in a different way. But I, I think, and this is so funny.
I think, uh, I'm looking at the, I'm looking at the comments and people are saying, I used
to be an Adam Mochler fan, but watching him saying, watching Son of a Hun is making me
sick. Um, yeah, there's, they're saying you didn't go hard enough on me. Um, but, uh,
As far as the voter apathy goes, the reason why I say over and over again that it's outside
of my hands is because I've already told you that I have a much more nuanced vision
beyond whatever the clips that go viral, oftentimes by liberals, ironically enough, that want
to present me as having a very un-nuanced point of view on the Democratic Party.
But the apathy, I am not capable of making people feel voter apathy towards the Democrats
beyond how the Democrats are representing themselves.
So we got to keep yelling at them is my point.
And I hope you do that as well.
You are capable, you are capable.
You have a massive platform.
You're definitely capable of making people feel more voter apathy.
I'm not saying you are, I'm just saying you're capable of that.
i think the way that you speak about the democrats sometimes could be a cleaner
but
you know i want to look back to the marginal debate because it's mainly that
word that i really just don't like
unless you want to talk about that one and i don't know it's all good
there's not a marginal we can do it we can do it in a uh... we can do it at a
different date next time next time people are yelling at me about some
other shit you can you can come and hold me to task
let me know i'll be uh... i'll be in l a in a few months so i will do another one
of these then
Yeah, he's all right. Bye. All right. That was Adam Magler, everybody.
Um, that was, I think that was a productive conversation. I feel like I hope people aren't too mean on him, uh, not even in my community necessarily, but I think people are going to be very mean to him in the edge communities on the, on the liberal side, because
They'll be like this is the number one enemy of the Democrats like how didn't you just fucking destroy his ass?
You know
You've made a million you've made a million Adam Mocklers I
Feel like they're gonna I feel like they're gonna fry him
Yeah, the worst part about it was no flaws, dude. I had to work really hard to remember
he's younger than Obama's second term. Yeah, you guys don't, dude, dude, I don't know why.
I don't know why you guys don't understand something. I was him. Okay. There was a point
time when I was Adam Mowgli. Okay. That's just you go through the motions over and over and over
again. You play the same song and dance every fucking election cycle. And then eventually
you're like, okay, this is, yeah, this is not working. But that's why I said, I think it'll be a
I think it'll be a productive conversation beforehand because like a lot of you guys were like, oh, no, he was in here
he he I
He's in here does just like debate bro or something like I don't I don't think it's like that. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know I
Didn't I didn't feel that way. I think it was a very cordial conversation even at time even if it at times
You know came across as like somewhat contentious
chat is wrong what do you mean the sex cult is pissed off because you weren't
destroyed at all I mean I know they just because they're not serious the
reason why I said it'll be a productive conversation is because like
Regardless of our ideological differences, he at least is sincere enough to not try to
present me as someone who is like fucking trying to ruin the Democratic Party.
He understands that I hate Republicans.
I think I understand the exact definition of marginal.
It's anything below 13.6%.
Have you heard this before regarding voter apathy?
Connery's pants, same person, never seen him in the same room.
I do hope that there are liberals who can cut through the fucking weird clips.
Yeah, we already covered this. I will fucking kill you if you answer another question more than five words long.
He literally kept saying the harm reduction is good and the Demsha run on it. No, he didn't
say that. He said harm reduction is a valid theory. The Democrats shouldn't run on it,
but it's a valid theory. Both points I agree with him on. Harm reduction is a valid theory.
But theories do not actually win elections, okay?
Harm reduction is a, it's, no, it's not a, it's not invalid, guys.
It is a valid fucking theory.
The Democrats, the difference between 50 concentration camps and 100 concentration camps is 50 less
concentration camps.
So technically, it's true.
But the alternative is no concentration camps versus a hundred concentration camps.
That's where I'm trying to move the conversation to.
But it's, but technically 99 concentration camps versus 100 concentration camps, that's
one less concentration camp.
So technically it's still less bad.
Okay.
It's true.
Pestinian's orbit is already tweeting that Adam massacre do you law even though this was one of the most civil commos you had on stream
I swear to God they ain't normal people and this behavior is the reason he only had five students interested to listen
To him on the campus recently they actually can learn a lot from Adam instead of seeing positive drama and obsessing over you Adam understands
That left the socials aren't his enemies
Yeah, they will do that
And you're wrong. We don't need harm reduction. We need fucking solutions. I don't think you're understanding. I'm saying harm reduction is a theoretical process totally isolated from everything else is correct.
That's not how you win elections. That's not how you win anything at all.
Do you think he had a point about your use of hyperbole or no, no, I don't know, no.
Because like at the end of the day, the argument revolves around him saying like, well, liberals
are clipping your, your most hyperbolic moments and actually trying to actively convince people
that this is your point.
And ironically enough, if, if that is demonstrating voter apathy, then you should get mad at the
liberals who are actively trying to show my world view as something that it
actually isn't completely un-nuanced. So he should be taking it up with the very
same fucking liberals who are right now going on the internet to be like Hasan
and Adam had a duking out and Hasan got dukeyed on. He got fucking destroyed,
left-wing destroyed. Ironically enough,
Ironically enough, that is the people that are doing the whole like broad voter apathy,
which I don't even think is a viable, is like a valid concern, are the people that are,
you know, presenting that narrative.
Can you add a dookie sound clip?
Yeah, it's your fault people clip you and lie about you
Anyway
I think you start acting like a politician you are so you can move people better instead
of repeating you aren't?
That's fucking nuts.
Because I know politician, okay, you want me to start acting like a politician, alright
stream over. You understand that, right? Like there's no, there's no acting like a
politician in eight hour increments. Like there's no, there's no, you can't do that.
You can't be a live streamer. If Zoran was fucking live eight hours a day and his
constituents were constantly up his ass, people would fucking hate him. I don't
people understand, I don't think people understand like, like, not saying that my job is so difficult
or anything like that, but like, there is a metric ton of, of like hatred and people like
purposely and deliberately misunderstanding you, sometimes professionally misunderstanding you.
Like, there's just no one wants to be misunderstood. Now imagine if you're being
misunderstood by people who are professionally misunderstanding you and blasting it out in
the orbit to the best of their fucking ability. It's gonna be, it's, you know, it's gonna,
Let's get a lead to a ton of heartache and anger and resentment.
He's wholly uninformed on immigration.
It's not just about the stats.
history of quotas for one example. Yeah. I don't know. I think you trap more flies with
honey, right? So debating someone who was 13 in 2016, I'm out. I see he's a smart kid.
Like he's a smart guy. He does a very good job on CNN. And he's a part of, he's a part
of the George W. Bush era liberalism, uh, the Midas Touch coalition, which, you know,
I've always, uh, rode for, so, uh, if we're, if we're gonna like, if we're gonna have a
normal conversation, uh, uh, with, you know, with liberals, like my touch guys are pretty
good.
Same with the Pogjons guys as well. I don't have to agree with everything I'm saying, but...
The one takeaway that I think is interesting, however, is that like
there is a more of an emphasis on what I say on, on, oh fuck, is effing again? God damn it.
Big F.
Okay, now you're back, okay, all right, well, we're back and we're back on the Epstein files.
has been arrested because of the Epstein file.
He got stripped of his title, and now the king is saying,
let me state clearly, the law must take its course.
I have learned with the deepest concerns
the news about Andrew and the suspicion
of misconduct in public office.
Now, if you're like me, you'd think that misconduct
is related to women and the accusations
that have been levied against the prince.
But that is not the case.
It's actually about the leaking of private information
while serving as the UK's special representative
for international trade and investment.
This is because it was discovered that the Duke
would sometimes forward information to Jeffrey Epstein
that was obviously sensitive,
like this Helmand high value commercial properties
for foreign investment,
or this a trip report for Vietnam, Singapore,
Hong Kong, Shenzhen.
Obviously the former Prince Andrew would have access
to insider information or confidential information
as part of his role.
And forwarding that to a financial trading file
is probably not a great idea.
This is also deeply concerning
because it blows a hole in Prince Andrew's big lies
where he said he cut off Jeffrey Epstein in the late 2010s
because this is right about the time
that he's engaging him once again in all of his contact.
So for him to previously it said,
oh yeah, I found out he was a bad guy and I cut him off.
I had to travel to visit him to cut him off.
Suddenly that doesn't hold water when emails come out
where you're sharing possible state secrets with this guy.
Here Andrew, the former Duke is sending a message
to Jeffrey Epstein asking,
I am checking, but is this a US institution?
Do you know if anyone who might take a look,
talking about a company called ARIA Petroleum,
which was sent to him,
which says the company needs a $200 million working capital
line due to significantly increased business from US DoD.
So Andrew would have had access to all this deal flow,
all these things that it looks like,
at least in some instances,
he would actually seek possible investment
from Jeffrey Epstein for some of these companies.
I wanna call back your mind to this interview
Because it's so important to realize how this guy has lied to our faces for years before we address the bigger elephant in the room.
He was released in July.
Will you ever run an actual poll on the soundboard? Aren't you curious?
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Within months by December of 2010 you went to stay with him at his New York mansion
Why why were you staying with a convicted offender?
I went there with the sole purpose of saying to him that because he had been convicted
It was inappropriate for us to be seen together. I felt that
But doing it over the telephone was the chicken's way of doing it.
I had to go and see him and talk to him.
Well there you have it.
Prince Andrew says he had to go see and tell Epstein personally that oh we can't be friends
anymore because you're convicted, I can't do that for you.
And this is late in December 2010 where he says he went to cut off Jeffrey Epstein because
he now knew that he's a convicted b**ch.
But again, if you look at the dates of all these details being passed along to Essie
and all these messages being passed along, it's right around the 2010 December twin where
supposedly he had a thing in mind and that was cut off, we have seen actually he might
have been passing along state secrets.
Now, obviously a formal investigation by the UK police is going to commence, but that's
That's what this arrest appears to be about so far,
misconduct in public office,
his responsibilities to the people of the UK at the time
and how these emails could have affected that.
But it's this larger context of Andrew lying
about his association with Epstein
that I wanna bring to the front of this next conversation.
Because obviously, Prince Andrew's biggest problem
with the Epstein files isn't necessarily
the confidential information he shared.
It's obviously the allegations made against him,
specifically by a woman named Virginia Drew Freight,
who was captured in an image with Prince Andrew
at the time when she was a young lady.
And then later, she alleged to have been trafficked
to Prince Andrew and that they had together.
Andrew was asked about this in an interview
and famously denied it, not only denied it,
but said it all couldn't have happened
because he didn't sweat at the time.
She described dancing with you and you profusely sweating
and that she went on to have baths, possibly.
There's a slight problem with the sweating
because I have a...
Beats your goddamn internet already, oh my God.
Just helping his son out while he was away
from the soundboard, okay, dude, fuckin' chill.
Clearly a medical condition, which is that I don't sweat,
I didn't sweat at the time and that was oh, she yes, I didn't sweat at the time
I if only coffee Zilla knows if only coffee Zilla knew what she's saying now is the same lady
I
Had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands war when I was shot at
And I simply it was it was it was almost impossible for me to sweat
Well, there's another monster whopper from the former Prince Andrew because of course he claims
Oh, I couldn't have been there because she describes me as sweating and I am impossible it's impossible for me to sweat
But of course some photos emerged where Prince Andrew appears to be sweating like a pig
But of course all of this is the lead-up to the bigger denial, right? It's not about whether he sweats or not
It's about his word verse Virginia Jouffres. You can say categorically
that
You don't recall meeting Virginia Roberts
Dining with her dancing with her at Trump or going on to have with her in a bedroom in a house in Belgravia
I can absolutely
Categorically tell you
It never happened it never happened and I want to say Virginia Roberts was her maiden name
Joufray is was her later name
That's why they refer to her as Roberts there
But what's so interesting about what the Epstein five revealed remember that we were told it's a big nothing burger
Nothing's gonna come out of this
But nearly all of Prince Andrew's lies in this interview have been discovered now that we have
Contemporaneous commission such as this communication between Jeffrey Epstein and a guy named Thomas Landon now Landon formerly worked for the New York Times
Until 2019 Thomas Landon says here
I think the big issue is separating yourself from Andrew. I mean in the end he had
Concentral S*** with Virginia Roberts and Virginia Roberts worked for you. The rest is
Atmospherics. Now this is a huge allegation because Thomas Landon is basically admitting yeah, of course
Virginia Roberts had s*** with Prince Andrew and of course she worked for you
So this is a tacit admission back in 2015
I mean, way early on that the substance of the story of them actually having s**t is true
But the prince basically says it never happened at all. And so, I don't really know how credible that is. He's basically
Your reaction to this interview is how I found you
This is oh fuck my internet is so busted and dusted. Oh my god. What is happening? I can't even fucking I
Can't even turn on a YouTube link. Are we serious right now?
It's a party and I've been looking about that you invited to them I
Know it's effing. I know I know chat. There's gonna be another fucking technician that comes in today. Okay, I
Fuck!
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
Have you tried restarting your Wi-Fi?
Have you tried restarting your brain, dude?
I just like...
It's just, it's fucked up, okay?
I have a technician coming today as well, every single fucking day.
Ability to sweat, meeting her at all.
there's a photo of it, and then of course,
having s*** with her internally,
they're like, yeah, of course, that happened.
And that's just the Virginia Ju-fre part.
That's to say nothing of the lies
about cutting off Epstein in 2010
when it appears that the exact opposite happened
and that he was passing along key information
from his role as this trade envoy.
I should also mention that this has been
a closely examined story for a long time.
Andrew Lowney released a book
exploring his friendship with Epstein
and his relationships,
alleging a lot of damaging things
related to Andrew's personal life.
The book alleges that while staying in Thailand,
more than 40 women were brought to his hotel room,
hotel staff were used to foreigners bringing in girls,
but amazed that more than 10 a day
were going to Andrew's room, lowney writes.
The book also alleges that compromising material on Andrew
may have been passed to Israel's Mossad Secret Service.
So it isn't as if this is Andrew's first time
getting in trouble,
but the Epstein files have confirmed.
I will say, as far as independent media goes,
I'm happy that there are,
YouTubers out there, whether it be Moist Critical,
whether it be Kavi Zilla,
that is like not only keeping the story alive,
but also covering it from the Israel angle as well.
Because let's be real,
this is an often avoided angle of coverage in mainstream news.
It's uh and uh, you know apparently I can't even fucking cover it here at the Hassanabe broadcast
Because I keep effing
Every single time every single time I I see the Israel angle was the one I expected and then I get destroyed
it's just like hopefully it's going to go away you know hopefully firm a lot of what
has been whispered about or suspected for a long time about his improper handling of
his relationship with Epstein of his position in the 2010s.
We also discovered in the files,
the DOJ actually approached Prince Andrew
about information regarding someone named Peter Nygaard,
who was quote, believed to have trafficked minor
and adult victims.
According to the UK Telegraph,
the Duke is understood to have stayed
at Mr. Nygaard's mansion with his ex-wife in June 2000.
Later that same guy was convicted on assaults of four women
ranging in age from 16 to 28 at the time of offenses.
So Andrew has been embroiled in controversy for a while.
This may just be the first thing that he's actually stuck with
is this charge of inappropriate leaking
of confidential information.
I don't know.
I am pleased, I guess on the one hand,
to see that something has come from all of this.
But sadly, it's just kind of this,
I don't want to say lesser charge,
but it really does feel like with everything
that has been alleged against Prince Andrew,
this is probably the lowest thing
he could be in trouble for.
But then again, on the bright side,
Based on photos that came from Reuters after Prince Andrew's arrest, it does look like
he's learning to sweat again.
Billionaire Les Wexner telling the House Oversight Committee he was naive, foolish, and gullible
to put any trust in Jeffrey A-
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It's not Twitch's you.
It's not.
I promise you it's not.
It's my, it's on my end.
It is directly an ISP related problem.
Brother, we've troubleshot everything, okay?
I'm telling you, I know what it is.
There are numerous points of failure on my end.
And we've gone through the process over and over again.
Okay, no, Les Wexner is not dead.
Did you mute the word fiber?
Probably because a lot of dumb fucks
are consistently bringing it up.
Like get fiber, get fiber, get fiber.
It changed your ISP.
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dog you're so fucking sick oh my god if I have a firstborn and and she's a
daughter I hope in 18 years she marries you because you're the most brilliant
guy I've ever encountered in my whole damn life. Bro, free market bro, change your ISP, bro.
Are you calling in from the country of Estonia? Do you think that there is a situation here where
this is not a fucking oligopoly where the ISPs have directly dominated each individual market
street by street, where they've decided that there's only one singular ISP that can offer
service to one singular neighborhood.
Motherfucker, you think shit's sweet?
What do you think?
You think this is Hezbollah-controlled territory in southern Lebanon?
We don't got no fucking fiber out here, bitch.
This is West Hollywood.
This is West Hollywood, Los Angeles, California!
Epstein, and while I was conned, I have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide, according
to his planned remarks, and saying he never saw Epstein act inappropriately.
The founder of the business empire that included Victoria's Secret and Abercrombie and Fitch,
Wexner played a vital role in transforming Epstein into a financial advisor with ties
to the ultra-wealthy.
For 16 years, Epstein even held power of attorney over Wexner's vast personal fortune.
In a more than six hour behind closed doors deposition from his sprawling Ohio compound,
Wexner admitting he did once travel to Epstein's private island.
But maintaining to lawmakers that he never spoke with Epstein again after 2007 amid
learning of Epstein's first criminal investigation for sex crimes and after discovering Epstein
stole vast sums of money from Wexner.
In the more than three million pages of the Justice Department's Epstein files, Wexner's
name appears hundreds of times, including initially listed as a possible co-conspirator.
Though the DOJ later determined there was limited evidence regarding his involvement.
A legal representative for Wexner previously told ABC News federal prosecutors informed
his lawyers in 2019 that Mr. Wexner was neither a co-conspirator nor target in any respect.
Committee Democrats accusing Wexner of trying to downplay his once close relationship with
Epstein.
The more this deposition goes on, the less Wexner knows about his relationship with
Jeffrey Epstein saying the billionaire told the committee he has never been
questioned by the FBI. There is no single person that was more involved in
providing Jeffrey Epstein with the financial support to commit his crimes
than less. West any former says her sister was assaulted by Epstein and
has now convicted co-conspirator Glenn Maxwell as an adult when the two were
visiting Wexner in Ohio in 1996. Also a survivor of Epstein and Maxwell's
abuse at 16 years old. And he tells me she doesn't believe Wexner's denials in that crazy.
Like you just got like a whole ass rapist, pedophilic billionaire. And he's like, he
owns half of the state of Ohio, by the way. And there's like nothing you can do about
it. And he is the primary funding vehicle behind the, the institution that is Jeffrey
Epstein. In that wild, like just think about that for a second. Is that why Ohio is a meme?
Is that the Psyop? No, I mean, it just happens to have given us some horrible monsters. Jim
Jordan, JD Vance. Yeah, Ohio catches that stray. Let's be real. The Paul brothers.
Lecude James. Okay, calm down. But yeah, I mean, his output was fine until recently.
I think it's going to be a
good one.
Ohio Clifford the deposition
just wanted to start with a
question around.
U. S. Senator John husted and
it's been reported that you
gave him.
Something like $117,000 in
I don't know how much money I gave him.
Would that sound about right?
Is this substantial, son?
I'm thinking it.
I met John when he was a state representative,
and I'm sure I helped him.
I helped him politically.
When he ran for a lieutenant governor,
I probably contributed to his centrair campaign.
So is it possible, over time, I would have given him
that much money it is?
I just wanted to start with a question around, um,
it's crazy, man.
And you know, Ohio's still going to vote. Like,
they'll be like, he's not a Democrat is fine. Uh, what do you mean?
He's our pedophile.
He's our pedophile, brother.
Uh, fuck you mean who cares?
I mean, they're doing that for Donald Trump.
So I've seen as a con man.
Was there some element of con that perhaps also related to, you know,
wax, you're right though.
We talked about Ohio, but you know what?
Pennsylvania gave us Netanyahu.
That's right.
It's cooked.
Go birds though.
But I don't think that means that he had no idea what was going on and he was not a participant in some way.
A Wexner spokesperson telling ABC News in response, the billionaire quote,
never even heard of Maria Farmer until their account surfaced in the media.
And in a separate statement saying Wexner reiterated to lawmakers he had quote,
no knowledge and did not participate in Epstein's illegal conduct.
George. Okay, Jay, thanks. Do you regret the links that they have seen?
You know, we have no links.
We have a very clear record that we've been willing
to talk about, which my husband has said.
He took some rides on the airplane for his charitable work.
I don't recall ever meeting him.
Did you ever meet Billy Maxwell?
I did, on a few occasions.
And thousands of people go to the Clinton Global Initiative.
So I mean, what do you say?
What do you say?
What do you do?
Right?
To me, it's not something that is really
at the heart of what this matter is about.
They are accused, and in both cases,
were convicted of horrific crimes against girls and women.
That should be the focus.
And we are more than happy to say what
we know, which is very limited and totally unrelated
to their behavior or their crimes.
And we want to do it in public, because let's
make this transparent.
the survivors deserve that, the public deserves that,
but the Republican member of Congress
who is running this hearing or this investigation
is trying to protect the president.
So let's get to what's really at stake here.
Just on this hearing, and obviously,
I'm sure Donald Trump and his administration
would reject your characterization of what's going on,
and he's denied any object.
How can they reject it?
They can't answer questions,
and the Attorney General was clearly
unwilling to answer questions.
She works for him.
So let's be very clear here.
According to what we now know, Mr. Trump, President Trump,
has mentioned some say a million times in the files.
People in his cabinet are not.
That's what it says on the internet over and over again.
So let's find out what the truth is.
That's why we want it to be transparent and in public.
New messages between Steve Bannon and Jeffrey Epps in release in the Epps TV have a nice
give a civil war for a MAGA world and one message, Bannon suggests President Trump should
be removed from-
Why do you think she's still a billy, she doesn't give a fuck, dude, what do you mean?
To keep up appearances, I don't think they're like actually together.
I don't think they've been actively together for a long time, they're just together.
That's like, it doesn't got no one's secret too, it's not even like, when's the last time
you've seen them together like physically other than like some some very few campaign events
they have not been actually bros 26 bros 2026 they're poly
no my god office during his first term for erratic behavior the department of justice also
released a two-hour video of bannon interviewing ebstein for potential documentary this is bannon
Ask me about Ebsien's time spent in prison in 2008.
You're telling me that during that day,
you never had a moment.
You sat there and go, what the f*** have I done with my life?
I'm in a six by nine jail cell.
You're suggesting I was put in somewhat depressed,
and how could this happen to me?
I'm not saying depressed.
I'm saying a moment of awareness of how could I get myself
into this situation.
No, I would just say how strange that this happens.
This gets strange.
People would either ask to borrow money or make some other types of comments about
In the beginning, what were the comments?
At the beginning, what were the comments?
It's it serves you rich guys
Right that you're here next to me. There was nothing about your crimes. No
so all this
Rumi you hear all the time
About people in prison that commit the type of crimes you commit that's you're saying in your personal
So again, another guy who was just like so closely connected to Trump, Trumpism as a movement.
And here he is.
Here he is just fucking chillin with Jeffrey Epstein.
No notes.
Remember when he bombed the city and meant his apology to her?
Where did he bomb for?
No, I think it was the bomb.
It was, I think it was the bomb in Yugoslavia, right?
Am I crazy?
No.
I think it's not true.
I think, yeah, it was Yugoslavia.
We're all because you're rich, yes.
Abandoned to not return messages from CNN,
but sent in a statement at The New York Times
that his communication with Epstein
was all done to, quote, secure 50 hours of interviews
from a reclusive subject.
For more on this, I want to bring
David Urban, former Trump campaign advisor and CNN's
senior political commentator.
David, great to see you.
You're shaking your head.
I want to get to why in just a second.
The 25th Amendment reference from the Epstein files
has caused some uproar inside the Magusphere.
It's dated December 31, 2018.
And it's a text exchange between Bannon and Epstein.
And we should note the context is unclear.
But Bannon says, going to blow him up right out of the box,
White House says zero plans to punch back.
Fort Apache with no cavalry en route.
Jeffrey Epstein then says, in No Soldiers and the Fort, he is really borderline, not sure he wait what.
Bro.
Does mainstream media have like a, like a ping issue?
Am I crazy?
I had to literally check to see when they're covering the story.
I think I covered the story, what, like three weeks ago?
Are they like what is this delay? Like what the fuck?
Like I'm glad this unit is finally getting around to this massive
massive deal
but like
It's not even a piker broadcasting service like tomorrow's news today type shit like it's been fucking weeks, man
No, I don't think I'm ahead of the curve chat
I don't think I'm ahead of the curve at all. This is like
This one freaks me out a little bit where they just like they're taking their sweet ass time with this shit
Like at this pace we'll get to the Israel stuff with Jeffrey Epstein. Maybe like in a year or two
And yeah, you know his ass is not gonna you know, they're asking post and all Rosalie to Beijing or Tel Aviv
Thief, Thief Wrestling, She, Kim, Judo.
You showed this before you went to Cutter, yeah, yeah.
There are a lot of files, man, there are a lot of files and guess what?
There are a lot of matters of incredible importance and this is one of them and this isn't even
like, this isn't even like a, like a tricky narrative that is going to take a while to
like, you know, massage and, and, and figure out what like the best possible editorial
control would look like.
This is just, you could just immediately cover it, right?
I know there are a lot of files, but it just doesn't make any sense that they would take
this much time to finally fucking sift through and arrive at the Steve Bannon files.
Um, I guess like I said, you know
Two to three years out though, uh, two to three years years from now will finally arrive at maybe Jeffrey Epstein was an asset for the Israeli state
I don't fucking know
Yeah, I covered it on february 4th
Jeffrey Epstein's biggest failure was that he died before he could have just done a right-wing pivot
But now we have emails of a different side of this
February 4th.
He may do and then banning replies.
I think it's beyond borderline 25th Amendment and we reached out to ban it on this exchange and I've not received a response,
but people like Roger Stone and Marjorie Taylor Green are speaking out.
So tell me about why you were shaking your head and tell me what you were hearing in.
I will say this.
The reason why Roger Stone and like Laura Loomer or whoever the fuck is like speaking
out you speaking out because they're all sharks is the same is the same like
Explosive the catastrophic fucking chaos that the plays when Charlie Kirk got assassinated
right
Because these guys are all sharks and the knives are out at all times. They're not like actually
mad that, you know, Steve Bannon was like homies with Jeffrey Epstein. They're just
using this as an opportunity to gain leverage to be like, no, no, no, you should be me. You
should, you should have me as your guy. Why do you have him as your guy? Literally they
fucking know they have him as his guy because Steve, you know, who else was Donald Trump's
guy? Jeffrey fucking Epstein, that's it. That's the reason why he's there. He's having
that conversation.
Aside, the president supports.
Yeah, so, you know, John, you said also you left out General Flynn and many, many others.
If you go to Twitter and just look at, you know, MAGA influencers or just Google, you
know, or put in the Twitter search, you know, Bannon Epstein, see what comes up.
There is not one supporter, not one MAGA person that's supporting Steve Bannon for a variety
of reasons.
It looks like he signed up to try to rehabilitate a person who committed horrendous sex crimes.
You hear him in the interview with Jeffrey Epstein, he doesn't say nobody in prison talked
to you about being a pedophile.
He doesn't call him out.
He's trying to be polite to him, it seems.
It's absolutely mind-blowing and there's something like 19 other hours of tape that have yet
to been released that Steve Bannon says that he's keeping because he was some sort of double
secret agent and we're going to really try to blow Jeffrey Epstein up. Well, Roger Stone,
oh, he's trying to blow Jeffrey Epstein, you know, maybe not blow him up, but others in
the MAGA, MAGA universe. Are any of us a single step closer to control politically, etc. Every
day, baby, every day, our movement grows. Every day, our movement grows. We're one step closer.
That's a crock. And, uh, and if Steve Bannon is going to be out there trying to defend himself,
He better get out there quickly because the narrative does not look good for Steve Bannon at this point looks like he was
So out there to line his pockets defending a sex offender
How do you think the president will react to all of this?
Listen, so I you know Steve Bannon got a pardon at one point in time along the route here
You know, we know so we know that they were close
I am you know from what I hear and lately is that there have not been that much communication
Communication with with Steve Bannon and any senior officials in the administration
Here's a new pig of Andrew with a kid playing with a ball this panel like a breast with a nipple protruding from it. What the fuck?
Former Prince Andrew turned fun bags and it kicks for kids with some very unprincipled photos was taken by TMZ
No, I'm not gonna throw a fine there. This is fucking this is disgusting, bro
this guy bro put him under the prison what are we doing what are we doing
what the fuck i don't even know if it's like if these are like weird coincidences or if it's
just like he's just a straight up like um illuminati style sex pervert
lieu of the uh these revelations and i can't imagine that the 25th amendment revelation
and yours to the president any more than he was far away getting further and I know that this most
recent revelation is going to push that boat even further away from from this administration.
Yeah again we'll have to see if the president is asked in any detail about this but that comment
about the 25th amendment was 2018 and it's hard to imagine what was going through Bennet's head
at that point. David Urban thank you for explaining the discussions that are taking place John. Not
going away. Doesn't appear to be. David Urban thank you. A new twist in the Epstein files is
is playing out as we speak,
Les Wexner, the billionaire former owner of Victoria's Secret,
is giving Congressional testimony,
a deposition in Ohio about his connections
to Jeffrey Epstein just a short time ago.
Wexner told lawmakers, quote,
"'I was conned, I have done nothing wrong
and I have nothing.'"
Yeah, these guys all love coming out of be like,
I'm a victim, by the way.
I'm a, I don't think you guys get it.
like I'm actually, I'm actually the real victim, not the victims that I victimize me, billionaire
Les Wexner owner of L brands, Victoria secret owner of half of fucking owner of half of
Ohio.
This morning, the United States, Trump hasn't made a final decision on potential strikes
on Iran.
Let's be fucking real.
This is going to be obviously, some of them are going to be talking about this entire weekend.
get ready for it another weekend of will they won't they but this time are we going to bomb
the shit out of Iran we're there it's happening it kind of feels like we're moving we're moving
in the direction of bombing Iran.
The Washi Journal reports that Trump is considering a small attack to force Iran to agree to this
nuclear deal, and if Tehran refuses, escalate the attacks until Tehran either agrees or
the regime falls.
Here's why this won't work.
First of all, the deal Trump has put forward entails Tehran's completely giving up its nuclear
program in return for no new sanctions, but no actual sanctions relief, insane. This is,
of course, a non-starter for Iran. There are hardly any more sanctions that the U.S. could impose on
Iran, and the current level of sanctions is suffocating the economy, accepting this deal would
not enable Iran to escape its economic dead end, but would only prolong the economic decay while
depriving it of the nuclear leverage it believes it needs to free itself from existing sanctions.
Second, Trump also tried the idea of a smaller attack, with the Iranians responding
symbolically by striking empty U.S. base back in January. What? What? Iran in a letter to the
U.S. Secretary-General says, if it attacked all bases, facilities and assets of the hostile force
in the region would constitute legitimate targets in the context of Iran's defensive
response. The United States would bear full and direct responsibility for the unpredictable
and uncontrolled consequences. Yeah, I mean, look, all I'm going to say is they've done this.
they've said this before, their posture is very aggressive on the, on the, you know, leading up
to attacks. Iran will speak like a lion. When it comes to actually doing the deed in retaliation,
it's very, very restrained. Now, I don't know if they will stay restrained, but this is what has been
consistent about Iran. They will always say, we're, we're raising the fucking red flag. This time,
We're gonna fuck you guys up this time. We're gonna fuck you guys up. No, they've said they're not doing the symbolic shoot anymore. I
I think the stakes are different but
Really think
Really think last time. Did you think the stakes were different last time I did and I think you guys did too
Well, actually, that's not true. I said last time the same thing I said this time around as well that Iran is gonna be restrained but
you know
It's just this is always a matter of life and death
No, you saw the China satellite pics I did China is helping Iran with their targeting
But they were doing that last time around as well
But I think this time they're helping even more than they were before they're also doing United Missions with like
With the Russian naval asses in the region too like they're they're doing they're moving differently
They're moving like they got, you know, bombed pretty hard last time around by Israel.
So we'll see, we'll see what this actually means.
But the reality of the matter is the only way to push back, the only way to push back
is, is unfortunately making it costly, which is incredibly costly for the population.
The American government will, the American government will not shy away from punishing
the civilian population, destroying the electrical grid, destroying the energy production, numerous
fucking violations of pre-established rules of war, they will do that. They will do that.
And the only way that Iran can retaliate is by responding in force, not just to the United
States of America by trying to sink naval assets, but also by punishing Israel. Do they
They have enough munitions for both, probably not, um, but that is the reality.
There's also obviously the targeting of the oil infrastructure in the Gulf region.
That's another thing that they have at their disposal.
And I feel like you're saying how many is lying on Twitter.
What do you mean?
How many always is fucking posting on Twitter?
Like he's going to go get them.
Like look, look, look, I don't know.
I don't know what will happen.
I can only tell you, like, I can only tell you what could happen.
I can only tell you, I don't want to say what should happen, but I can only tell you what,
like, Israel responds to, right?
There's no pathway out of this other than punishing Israel and, like, making it as costly
as possible for America at the wage of this war, because this is a politically costly
war for the United States of America, right? And I don't mean just like billions of dollars
and assets fucking moving to the region. I mean like costly as in human casualties.
It will only become politically costly if Donald Trump, the great peaceful president,
is moving tens of billions of dollars worth of naval assets surrounding Iran, and then
one of them accidentally fucking sinks. This is what happened with the onslaught law movement.
They try to do this with Yemen, a billion dollars worth of munitions being deployed.
They lost three fucking fighter jets, some of them due to naval accidents. Some of them
potentially were shot at, right? Or evasive maneuvers. They shot one another, which was
was crazy because the Al-Sala, the Al-Sala movement has one plane and it's like some
fucking old ass plane. I don't even know how the American fighter probably shot one another.
That was fucking insane. Like literally your enemy does not have the flight capability.
Like that's crazy. There's one plane in the fucking country, one fighter jet in the country.
It's like a fucking F4 or some shit. And you literally saw, I forget what it was, plane
Autist don't yell at me, but I forget what what it was but they shot each other thinking like oh my god
It's the one Yemeni pilot
It's sick I would is f f4 f5 it was an f5 whatever fuck. I don't care. I don't know enough about
f f 150 ford. Okay ford difference ford if f69
Okay, now I want to look it up because there's a really cool video of the one pilot and I feel like they'll ban me for it
So I'm not going to show it to you
But there is one guy
Active Yemeni Air Force aircraft Yemeni air power is handled by Yemeni Air Force
We're stocks relatively small collection of Cold War era products
There are a total of 18 active Yemeni Air Force aircraft, entries in military factory.
I don't think these are real.
I think there's one.
There's literally one actual fighter jet that they have.
Yeah, like they had one 19 C seven belt model 206 medium, medium lift utility transport
helicopters.
They have a Urquoy Huey.
They have a Cessna.
Number eight is a Cessna.
By the way, like, they have total 18.
Show the AI video is not real.
No, no, no, they have one.
They have one.
I've seen it.
I've seen the one guy.
They have one like, I think Soviet era fighter jet
or something.
No, not even Soviet era,
but like it is from the Cold War.
I think it might literally be this.
I think it, yeah, I think it's the F5.
This is what I was thinking of.
And there's only one guy who knows how to fly it.
Yeah.
There's number one on the Lisbrowski Aero L39 Albatross.
Yeah, F5s early Cold War fighter. And you know damn well that one F1 F5 pilot trees
that play like this is 1998 Nissan Skyline motherfucking the shop washing that bitch every
two days. Oh for sure. No, they didn't shoot down at F 35, but, but they got close. At
least the reporting of the New York Times was that they got close to shooting down and
35 which I don't even know how that's possible. I genuinely don't understand why they even
reported that in the New York Times. That was a spectacular flub because I, I, we don't
know. We don't know how they did that. It's fucking crazy. It's aura. Let's be real. It
It is or a, isn't that plain invisible?
Yeah, you can't see it.
When the pilot sits in it, you can only see the pilot.
You're like, what the fuck?
Is that just a guy flying in the air?
What are you, Donald Trump?
Fuck you, man, dude.
I
Yes, I am Donald Trump. Oh shit Donald Trump in the building
Donald Trump does work out for you
It's the greatest fighter jet in the world, as you know, by former Stealth, totally Stealth,
you can't see it. Makes it very difficult. I was asking a pilot, what do you think is better?
This one, this one, that one? He said, well, the advantage we have is you can't see it.
Guys, I don't want to freak you out, but I found a photo which is crazy and you can kind of see it.
Oh, this is what I was looking at. This is what I was looking for. Yeah. I don't know
if I'm allowed to show this, but because you know how it is, but yeah, there is like a
it's the one aircraft. I love that video. It's a beautiful video. It's straight up. That's
AI generated, not real. No, that video is not AI generated. Why are you saying it's AI generated?
Dude, they got one plane. Why are you making fun of them?
Yeah, it's also from years ago. They filmed that shit a long time ago. How dare you?
Yes, it is you know is not real so no ban
That's messed up man, they got one plane
They got one plane and you're out here
You're out here shitting on them with their one fucking singular apologizes on sort of a lot movement right now
That's rude as hell
Oh
They're saying you're they're joking so you say it's AI so you can show it. Oh wink wink. No
No
not even
No, I'd rather not show it to you guys and and recognize it. It's a very real plane and it's not a fucking AI plane
Okay, no, I
Will not allow I will not allow slander of the Yemeni Air Force
Here on this broadcast, okay, that will not happen
Adam debate log. Do you fuck?
Wait, they actually did F-35s close call over Yemen raises questions about how it's used F-35s
It's designed to destroy high-value infrastructure airfield shipyards radar stations and the like ideal with long-range weapons
cost of store but capabilities haven't so it is real because when I read this in
the New York Times I genuinely thought like there there's this got to be fake
right they actually cooked it with not what did they use what did they shoot
it with in war we're trying to have 35 missions would be kicking down the door
by destroying advanced air systems. Did they, they shot it with the AK 47. It turns out,
it turns out the biggest weakness of the F 35, which is, you know, the next gen fighter
jet, it's, it's like the best aircraft, supposed to be the best aircraft of all time, you know,
Unmatched and and the the weaknesses a Kalashnikov rifles
They just they shot it with a AK-47
Spray and pray
How does that destroy lucky Martin Ock by the way?
I'm a previous F-68 avionics technician that constantly loses the mark, fights his expensive
dog shit. Okay, but still quite difficult to take out of FC 16, right? I mean,
must be ran is not.
Oh, the CIA doesn't talk shit about okay Martin.
The CIA talk shit about locking Martin said enough.
Cut it out.
Cut it out
Oh
Okay, we're back
It's whenever you talk loudly. No, dude, it's not anyway. Let's keep it going.
Preparing to launch another round of airstrikes on Iran. Top national security officials have
presented President Trump with military options for a strike.
F-35 is not a dog fighting plane. It's a long range stealth missile system as far as I know.
I thought it was multi all isn't it like supposed to be use no I don't
Your jets I'll be honest, but I thought it was like supposed to be capable of everything
I don't know what's going on the CIA surely cooking the stream
Yeah
Not only is it not only is it supposed to be I thought I thought it was supposed to be multi-use but then also on top of that
There was so
Fucking expensive
It's like each individual branch has its own version of it, too, which I feel like it's
not very cost effective.
I mean, I guess on the side, oh, wow, it's totally gone.
The internet is totally gone.
I mean, it's like dropping and then coming back, it's so fucked.
i don't know what i did is that it's just because we come in right now
uh...
flexibility flexibility supposed to be the whole point
uh...
i'd true i think
I've at least read a little bit into it and with my totally, totally uninformed opinion,
I think the reason why the F-35 is designed the way it is is so that Lockheed Martin can
make as much money as possible.
And that's why it's not, that's why there's so many different components.
Like the concept is, oh, well, the Navy needs different uses or the, you know, the Army
has a different use for it. The Air Force has a different use for it. Like everyone has a
totally separate use for a fighter jet. And the F-35 is supposed to be multi-role
and is a capable fighter that is like well-rounded and can cover all the bases.
And I think it's just straight up a fucking money sink.
Anyway, there's a doctrine for it behind its variance.
Get Maron here to talk about it.
He's a Boeing guy, bro.
He's going to talk mad shit about Lockheed Martin like that can be carried out soon.
But sources tell CBS News the president has not made a final decision.
Charlie Dagger is tracking the massive US military buildup in the region.
Charlie yesterday, General H. R. McMaster told me there was an 80% chance of military
action in the region.
What are you learning this morning?
Yeah, Vlad, this is moving very, oh yeah.
The E the AWACS, the, the 68% of our available E 11s are now in place as well.
check like two thirds of the E3 fleet. Again, the MilSim slash OSIN Autists can inform me
on this, but isn't that a lot more than last time, which feels like they got really spooked
by the 12-day war, and they want to make sure that their surveillance capabilities are intact,
And they want to make sure that they can hit more missiles in the air before they actually
get to, before they actually reach Israel.
Like they are deploying a fuck ton.
They are deploying a fuck ton of airborne radars in order to try to intercept missile
trajectory, intercept the missiles before they reach Israel.
And I don't think, like, given all of the assets that we're moving there, I don't know
if it's just like an intimidation.
I feel like they want to do something.
It's not big enough.
I don't think it's still big enough of a bleep.
That means that, like, there's full-blown invasion, right?
Because I think we had more, a higher percentage of assets in the invasion of Iraq now.
But I do think it's large enough that they are worried about, it's large enough that
they're maxing out as many radars as possible and their strike capabilities.
And it's not like it doesn't look like they're gearing up for a full blown military occupation
with boots on the ground.
I might be totally wrong.
I'm reading the tea leaves here, but it kind of feels like they're, uh, they want to strike
and then they want to be able to defend Israel after they strike.
It's too small of a force for a boots on the ground military invasion, not enough ground
assets, but larger than last time around, especially with radars.
And it's a fairly significant military build-up in the region, one that, to me, looks like
they want to bomber on and try to take out as many of their missile launchers as possible,
try to take out their air defenses, whatever remains of their air defenses, and then hopefully
pray to God that Israel doesn't get punished too hard.
Invasion predictions? No, no, no. I'm just I'm not making such a crazy thing. I'm not I would never gamble like that
Don't be crazy quickly. So you know as officials we spoke to you said they're preparing for every contingency
We'll be ready to strike as soon as Saturday now that could range from like limited air strikes to what could be a drawn-out conflict with Iran
It isn't it cool by the way that we're just all talking about fucking blowing up a foreign country
Isn't that wonderful?
It's wild. No one is like hey, maybe we shouldn't do this
It's like 80% of the country doesn't want to do this
Every other foreign ally in the region doesn't want this to happen
Saudi Arabia doesn't want it to happen
except for one ally in the region of course and that is
And it's like you got you got everybody in the region within striking distance of Iran going, please don't do this like please don't do this. This is not good, not good for anybody.
Let's not do this at all.
And Trump's like, I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it.
I'm going to come.
That's that's where that's where we're at. It's fucking awesome. And then people and then people will be like, whoa
What's up? Why do you care so much about Israel?
Why do you care so much about Israel?
Like go ask that the fucking Lindsey Graham, man
It means an incredible show of military might moving not just one
but two aircraft carriers to the region, the Lincoln,
which is already there,
and the world's largest warship, the Ford,
which just crossed the Atlantic
after playing a key role in the operation in Venezuela.
So in total, you're looking at like 20 US Navy ships
already that are there or headed to the Middle East.
And this isn't about like just possibly attacking Iran,
but defending against possible retaliation,
strikes on the US forces in the region or Israel.
So the Pentagon has begun to pull some of roughly 30,000 to 40,000 U.S. troops out of
the region to places like the United States and Europe.
So Charlie, help me understand something.
Why is this happening now?
Aren't we holding talks with Iran and Geneva?
Glad.
Listen, it's a fair question, right?
But it's what the White House calls maximum pressure strategy.
So they have this massive buildup despite the diplomatic talks or together with the
diplomatic talks.
Second round of talks this week hasn't led to a sort of definitive agreement as far as
the White House is concerned.
The US wants to be prepared if and when the talks fail.
So US demands a tighter hold on Iran's nuclear capabilities, monitoring of uranium stockpiles.
And this is important, the restriction of ballistic missiles.
So President Trump is seeking a more comprehensive deal with Iran that offers more control and
transparency than previous deals.
Nate.
Charlie, thank you.
Bad things will happen if Iran doesn't make a deal.
It's a really bad thing.
What do you think will happen?
I'm not going to talk to you about that.
No.
What is the goal if there isn't US military?
What way to make a deal?
Or we're going to get a deal one way or the other.
But what if the military starts giving it to white out there?
I'm not going to talk to you about that.
But we're either going to get a deal or it's
going to be unfortunate for them.
And then you said 6 to 8, and then a deadline.
Is it wrong to make a deal?
I would think there'll be enough time, 10, 15 days.
Pretty much maximum.
This morning, a proposed tax on billionaires
is turning some Democrats against each other.
Senator Bernie Sanders,
rallying supporters last night in Los Angeles,
arguing it's time the ultra-rich pay more.
Never before in American history.
Hmm.
My people are genuinely being talked about like cattle,
chatter. If you're Iranian, I feel for you. I will also say we are also cattle. We're
just kind of trekking along. You know, most missile launchers in Iran are deeply hidden
underground and missile silos. Israel's already destroyed 80% of mobile service launchers
destroying the underground launchers will be a huge military operation involving bunker
buses and even tactical nukes. Whatever Trump is planning is insane. We're all cattle together.
Some of us are more fortunate cattle because we get to be, you know, not necessarily wearing
the boot, but not in the, not in the direction of the boot.
The boot is on your neck.
We just happen to be outside of the distance of the boot, but we're cattle, all the fuck
is saying.
The reality of the matter is people don't want this.
Americans don't want this.
I mean, I'm sure Trump will want this or Trump's, Trump's, Trump's, Trump's, Trump's
Audience will want this, oh, by the way, it's cheaper to buy an AR-15 rival than 64 gigs
of DDR5 RAM for the record.
Socrates says, the reason why Trump and regime change hawks and cargers are not even trying
to make a case for mass war with Iran is because the more the American people learn, the more
they would see through this ridiculous farce.
Yeah. By the way, this is how little they fear us. Like this is another cattle moment,
right? Like, it's cheaper to buy a fucking mass murder tool than it is to buy Ram. Like
They clearly don't fucking worry, right? Like there's no, they know we're cattle. Like not
only are we cattle, but they also fucking totally know we're cattle. That's it. That's just how
am I, how else am I supposed to look at this and be like, oh, I don't know. Every American has the
capability of purchasing a fucking arsenal of weapons, right? And many Americans do. There are
more weapons in circulation than there are people in this fucking country. And they're not even like
a little bit afraid of us. They're not. And that's because we're fucking cattle. That's
it. That's we're just fucking cattle. Sorry, sucks to suck. It's just the truth. And yeah,
we're just never going to be able to make the change. Your boy punch you got an important update.
Why are they fucking up this monkey, bro?
So he's he's tight now. He's got homies
Bro every now and then there's just like an animal that props up
And then they have a fall from grace like mood dang was like Trump is gonna win and like fuck you mood
Dang and now nobody cares, you know what I mean?
remember mood dang
And
Then mood ain't got fucking canceled
because she came out and was like I like Trump I'm maga and everyone's like fuck you moodang
we're gonna make soup out of you bitch I mean she was right but fuck fuck moodang my wife says
they're bullying him again heart wrenching scene little punches bullied again by bigger monkey who
dragged her harshly across the ground. She cried and ran back to clutch her adoptive mother
mother doll for comfort.
Oh my god, they're fucking that monkey up.
Yo, why are they so ruthless, the little punchy?
What the fuck?
You think he knows he's being surveilled?
You think he's like, oh, y'all are about to get your asses beat when I fucking clutch
this little, little toy.
Every single one of y'all are about to get your fucking asses beat.
Monkey, little punch goes up to them and is like, fuck you.
Just says a slur.
I don't know what a monkey slur would be.
Right?
They're like, you're hairless, bro.
You look like them hairless apes.
And then the other monkey's like, fuck, what'd you say to me?
Fucking roll your ass.
And then he runs away, he's like, I'mma show you, I'mma show you motherfucker.
I know I'm famous.
I got hella clout, bitch.
Little punch, he's like, I got so much clout, I'm about to fuck you up, dude.
Watch this!
And then he runs and he clutches his little mother toy, okay?
Yeah, he's like, Jesse, wait, when the fucking zookeeper finds out what you did to me, dude,
This shit's gonna do numbers on Twitter, okay?
They are gonna fuck your ass up.
Do you have no shame?
Die of no shame.
Even victim blaming even monkeys?
They think he's dragging a corpse of another monkey?
I think his cortisol level spiked when he got alpha-mogged by this one.
Speaking of Trump was unbelievably gay today so much that he had a moment of self-realization.
Yeah, I know, I saw.
First ever monkey school shooter coming up.
No, this is not an American monkey, right?
the fuck's this monkey andretate is gonna buy it now he's not gonna fucking buy
shit
macaques are so mean to each other ha yeah but don't they also wait macaques are
the rapist ones right they like fuck like crazy or no those the bonobos my bad
The monkeys from Japan definitely has the potential to be a danger to the Prime Minister.
In McCock society, the young have to learn their place in the hierarchy. It is unfortunately natural.
I
Mean why are they fucking her ass up like what was she doing she won't do nothing she was just picking her boogers and eating them
Look at that she got fucking height dude look at that she she flew up
Oh yeah
Joe Rogan. What is this I was um, they shouldn't be unprepared for what does guest looks like Joe Rogan calls our mom Donny a fucking psychopath
Well, it seems like the the amount for migrants is crazy
There should be zero dollars for illegal immigrants. But I don't think you can have zero because if they're gonna
Oh, fuck am I looking at, bro?
I'm sorry, what?
How do you conduct a normal conversation with this guy?
What is this?
My GD on my character.
Wait, why is he doing that?
What's he up to? What is that?
What's the fucking what?
He's cartoon maxing. No, come on.
Someone must know what is happening here, guys.
That's a thing.
Like a new guy.
We got a new guy.
Joe Rogan talking to a Batman villain being like, I hate Zoramumdani.
Man, look at the room you're in. How can you make like a sincere plea?
At all with what the fuck
What is this?
Okay, it's pissing me off man. What is this if they're gonna be there?
They're gonna be you have to feed them you have to take you have to do something with them
like literally, bro, no, no, no, no, no, you can't have a normal conversation. The conversation
has to revolve around what the fuck is going on in your face. That's what the convo has
to be about. You can't, I can't see a clip about anything else. Okay. He has to go wash
his bitch ass face before we, before we continue the conversation about Zoram, I'm Donny funding
the migrant crisis or some shit. No. Someone's going to tell me that he has like super cancer
or something. What is this? Is this guy Michael Malis?
No professional Michael Malis, Ukrainian, American, anarchist, author and podcaster.
Why does his name sound so familiar?
Wait, he made overheard in New York?
He doesn't want facial recognition tech to mug his ass.
I'm using that word, right?
I'm 34.
He's a fucking anti-migrant immigrant.
himself that's anti-immigrant how is that possible?
If you don't feed them they're gonna be robbing stores they have to human beings need food what
are you gonna do you get them jobs how are you gonna get a migrant a job uh get them a job at
Guatemala wouldn't you rather give them food than a job i don't wait never mind he's not that bad i
guess i'm taking american citizens jobs well the whole thing's a mess the whole thing's a mess with
the point no he is an anti migrant i take it back you can't just i don't know why i'm trying to
to understand what's going on with this motherfucker's face.
Throw him away. Right. That's the problem.
Unless you're going to remove him from the country.
Right. Unless you're moving.
If you even want to put him in jail, that's not cheap.
Right. That costs a lot of money.
So what are you going to do?
He's a fucking son.
Well, these guys will sincerely tell you that like Democrats are crazy.
Like.
Brother, the guy you're talking to is insane.
Like you can't have a conversation about how crazy Zoran is.
Like, I'm sorry. Is he walking around with that face paint? No. Shut the fuck up.
Oh, yeah, dude, it's the Democrats who are crazy. They, they, they're all furries.
Joe will literally have anyone on instead of you. He will never have me on.
Michael Malice, Kim Jong-il's, wait, what?
Michael Malish jokes that everyone in the country would have to be high-functioning learning disabled what I
Don't even fucking I don't want to know man put it back in the bottle. I don't want to know no
I know too many guys. I know too many guys. I just learned about little punchy
Okay, I'd rather know about little punch and the and the trials and tribulations a little punch
Okay, I don't want to this is too many guys. I don't want to know about this guy
Trump is releasing the UFO files. Oh my god. I can't believe it
Remember what I told you a couple days ago about how this whole like UFO
Revelation shit that the government just like leaks UFO information
Whenever they feel like the conspiracy theorists are actually getting
Uh, a closer and closer to the truth about like real conspiracies that kind of are not dissimilar to the conspiracy theories about like an international pedophilic cabal of ultra wealthy elites
Yeah, yeah, go ahead dude talk about UFOs. I'm sure
What is this can you guys are on to do something about punch
Okay, I got it. I'll text them right now. I want to be like Ramadan Mubarak brother. You got to fix this punch situation.
You know
Speaking of quarters all spiking just wait till class sees this one
The neo-manusphere is a truly incredible k-fade production. They know how to put on a show the ASU frat leader arc is awesome
This guy's like a goofy supervillain. He's like clavicular Skeletor except he's magator, dude
They'll fuck put some respect on his Albanian ass. Okay. He is
the Albanian stallion
see these are the type of new guys I love seeing that shit is terrifying these are the
new guys I would love to learn about you know I don't want to know about fucking Michael
malice. Yeah, yuck.
I had a 29 year old college colleague of mine on our usual term cortisol spike
when discussing cops that frat. I didn't know what to do. Kind of feels like
he convo mugged you. Kind of feels like your cortisol was spiking.
Ever since I found out that the ASU frat leader actually isn't in a fraternity
though and he's a G he's a he's a goddamn independent um I don't know what to believe
it really fucked me up
Anyway, bro bill like Johnny Bravo. Yeah, I'm done for the day. I'm tired. Um, I don't know what I have on the docket tomorrow
I think I have something but there's plenty more Epstein files to cover
Hopefully we won't like go to war
With Iran
we're still starving Cuba by the way that hasn't really stopped either God
we're a fucking repulsive evil cancerous force on the planet actually
unironically and sincerely it's just the worst anyway that's all I got for
today folks love you all and I will see you tomorrow okay hopefully tomorrow
We'll have the internet fix.
Peace.
Peace.
Cause there is again, a sun is streaming, a sun is streaming
There is again, a sun is streaming, a sun is streaming
Leave you in a Chinese train, Telling Kyle Place
Southern as men, Chatter loves, Giving Grimmie's grace
Zoran winning and YC, Walked two back with the force
The Rogan of the left to me, a dumb him, though still a corpse.
The Charlie Kirk assassination, the fear and un-learned show.
Day full fucking years of this, plenty more to go.
Doing fun stuff tomorrow, throw PBS up on the screen
A man made for reaction brought to you by this life's dream
Cause there he is again, a son of streamin'
The sun is streaming, there he is again
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Can't doubt in the DNC I will march the good
Combatting the propaganda to shut down people's throats
CBS Israeli news, a coup, a regime false
A full-blown fascist takeover and still the duty calls
Total radicalization coming out to sea
A system where he'll always fail, it's up to you and me
All these daily streets, whether short or whether long
I've held millions of people, keep it moving right along
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