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02-26-2026 · 6h 53m
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What's going on, everybody?
I hope everyone's having a fantastic evening, afternoon, freedom, no matter where you are
in the world.
This is Sean Black, here at this awesome broadcast coming to you live from sunny California,
Los Angeles folks.
We're live and alive and I hope all the boys, girls and MBS are having a fantastic one because
today's a beautiful day.
Today's a wonderful day.
Today is Thursday.
That's right.
It's Thursday.
Thursday, folks.
We're live.
We're alive and I hope all the boys, girls and MBS are having a fantastic one.
coming to you live from sunny California, Los Angeles 72 degrees and sunny here in stolen Tongva territory stolen Tongva land.
This is a prerecorded broadcast. No, it's not. Obviously it's not prerecorded, but we're live. We're live. My car's back skin clear jawline sharp.
It's a good day. Hell yeah. Chatter. It's going to be a good day for all of us. We have an incredible, incredible lineup today.
a lot of guests. I am late. Obviously it's 11 36 am. I'm going to be talking about exactly
why I'm late and why I'm tardy, but folks, this is part of the broadcast where I tell
you about my personal news about what's going on in the world of the son house. I have a
piker in between the time period where I press the stop, stream of button, press the star
stream of button. So help me God. That's precisely what I'm going to do.
Okay. It is to 26, 20, 26, 11, 36 a.m. We're live. We're alive and your boys late for
for a very good reason. I did the Chris Kanzler over zealots podcast earlier this morning.
And that's precisely the reason why I am actually late. I am delayed for that reason. There
is no Kylite. Okay. Yeah, you're right. Ratisserie chicken, Kylite. I'll turn it on in a second.
But uh, end of the broadcast last night didn't really do much. Um, actually did nothing really
went to sleep, woke up early, did the, uh, Chris Kanzler and over zealots podcast is
you know, that, that's the, that's the reason why I'm late. Cause they wanted to, they wanted
to talk to me for a while. And it was supposed to be even longer than, than it took, but
we had to cut it short so I could be live and alive on, on this day, on this glorious
day. Anyway, did you see the trailer of the new Louis throw a doc about the manuscript?
I have heard about it, but I haven't seen the trailer. We can take a look at that in
in a little, in a little moment, new report from opposite Trump will read the 26 midterms.
That's not surprising. We'll be talking about that. Um, we'll talk about the house oversight
committee as well. Honestly, no personal news. Let's just fucking get right into it. Let's
blast off. Ladies and gentlemen, boys, girls and MBS. We have so much to cover like so
much Clinton, Epstein, panel, disrupted Cuba attacked by Florida Cubans, Nita, Alex, and
him from North Carolina for is going to be on the show later as well. Uh, and so will
Ben Rhodes. That's right. Barack Obama, national security advisor, Ben Rhodes is going to be
on the broadcast as well. Uh, just wall to wall, banger guests. Uh, we're going to be
talking about Cuba. We are going to be talking about Iran and with Nita, uh, candidate for
Congress of North Carolina 4 will be talking about being pro-worker and anti-auligarchy
and Bernie Sanders endorsed candidate that is currently being attacked by APEC pretty
mercilessly how that feels and will she be a part of that left-flank coalition that I
like to talk about all the time?
Iran and Cuban relations.
Israelis through a transfer because the war hasn't started and bombed a lot.
Yeah, I know. We'll get to all of that and more.
So, you might be the first 34-year-old adult that needs a parental app on Twitter, parental app control on Twitter.
You're wrong.
Nice jacket. We like it when you dress up. Thank you.
I don't even know where I have this jacket from. I think I literally got this jacket
When I did that like cutie Cinderella murder mystery show
Is this the streamer spy from last night, oh, yeah, this is who I said was the spy burnt peanut
I mean, I'm joking. I know that like his fans actually take it very seriously get very mad, but
Just some Tel Aviv sounds you know Tel Aviv's favorite streamer Tel Aviv's favorite streamer
burpee nut. Anyway, um, get in now. Who is this DJ? I don't know. I don't even think
it's actually from to live. Anyway, um, folks, folks, folks, do we have a blast off or what
friend of the show got your precog ability? Do we have a blast off? Do we have a blast
stop me or not. W expanding to kids through gaming was educationally yesterday.
Oh, that's fucking awesome. Jarvis give Israel $5 billion. This is hilarious.
That's great. Oh, that's great. Okay. I'll be using that one.
I'm in a much better mood. If you might have, as you might have noticed today,
Um, I had a wonderful conversation with the Aussie boys.
Uh, I'm trying to get them on the, uh, flotilla situation in Cuba.
And it got me really excited.
I'm going to be a little, I'm going to be a little, uh, sincere for a moment.
You know, I really miss those guys.
I really love those guys and I was super stoked that they were actually interested.
Um, so I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure it out of also, Oh,
The other reason why I was late is because I've been working on the,
the, uh, aid convoy thing that, uh, we're setting up with progressive
international and, um, there might be some really cool guests.
There might be some really cool people go into Cuba.
Now it's not 100% yet.
And I won't tell you you're not normally sincere.
I don't like to be very, um, you know, I don't really talk about the
feelings of being like lovey-dovey, you know what I mean?
Anyway, Clinton FC panel disrupted Cuba type of Florida Cubans need to alum North Carolina
form breaks fast over a pack of tax Geneva, Iran talks men roads on Iran and Cuban relations
get in now.
code pink was on democracy now talking about you today. Oh yeah, we're going to be linking
up with the code pink as well, of course, dude, you're gay all the time. It's just true. I am gay
all the time. Incredible moves we made of the daily wire. I saw, I saw, I saw,
But yeah, I'm, I'm working on, I'm working on a very, very cool group of people, hopefully
that will be joining us. What will America look like after the midterms? Will we even
have a fucking midterms? I don't know. We'll see.
US pilot who was honeypotted was selling at 15 seekers of China. First of all, first of
all. He was not honeypotted. Okay. He's a, he's an honorable man, a 65 year old pilot.
We'll talk about that. That's such a Felix Beater man. Asked story. Are you, are you
gay all the time or simply a beautiful son of the Ottoman empire? I'm gay all the time
because I'm a beautiful son of the Ottoman empire. The Ottoman empire was objectively
very gay. Um, anyway, let me turn on the rotisserie chicken light also.
The fuck that's why people are talking about the, what the fuck is this doing here? I don't
even know God embarrassed.
One of the best parts about having a large dog is when you get cute aggression,
you can literally wrestle them.
She needs a spotlight she's made for it. I agree. I agree. Anyway, I assume you're gonna
talk about a day. Lurie antisemitic protesters smear against DSA as a DSA as a member of
fucking sucks. How many people just openly lie about what happened? Yeah, I briefly covered
it. Shocker just wants please to start of the stream. You got it.
Why were you screaming?
Do you never?
Do you never when you encounter your dog, when you when you see your dog sometimes they're
being cute as fuck.
You don't ever feel like you want to just like yell.
That's crazy.
It's called cute aggression.
Update from a big is odd.
What is this gay and Lebanese explain?
I'm gay and Lebanese.
Yeah, all the time. Yeah, I just when I see when I see Kaia
Throughout the day, I just I fucking lose my mind sometimes. I'll sometimes I'll like run up to her
Sometimes I'll I'll wrestle with her, you know what I mean?
Donald Trump is Zoram on Donnie are said to have an unannounced meeting at the White House today the nearer times reports
Um, bro, any further thoughts regarding the industry plan in the trimmer space?
No.
What is this?
It's total bullshit from Zara.
It's bullshit.
He's paying $30 an hour for people to shovel snow.
Who's paying for it?
The taxpayers.
Exactly.
Who's benefiting from it?
Also the taxpayers.
It's bullshit.
He's paying $30 an hour for people to shovel snow.
Yeah, I saw this as fair.
There's autism stimming, baby.
I don't think QD aggression.
I don't think cute aggression is autism, dude. I think like not all these people also experienced
cute aggression. No. Am I crazy? Love your fit. What you're wearing. Thank you. Um, the
most predictable thing to ever happen happened. Oh yeah. Yeah. We'll talk about the MAGA,
uh, the, the, the MAGA meltdown on anti-Semitism. Um, is it autism linked? I don't know. Yes.
Degressionists for everyone is literally a human thing. I don't know what it is. I don't know what causes it
I just like I just have it. I know I have it, you know
but
You kind of look like a substitute teacher good. Okay, so I have a lot to cover today. I have a lot to cover today a
Lot to talk about
Because there is a lot of stories to get to
I didn't even realize that like Zohran
Kwame Mamdani was meeting up with Trump. He didn't check in. Lil Bro didn't check in with
Big Bro. You know what I mean? He's just kind of doing his own thing nowadays. He's fucked
up. In any case, new article, record 129 members of the press killed in 2025 is responsible
to two thirds of the deaths. Okay, we'll, we'll cover that as well. I get coup de grace
when I see my heart horse, but I fear I just annoy or scare him. If I ran up and started
squishing his face, I have to. I have to do it. And luckily with my, um, luckily with
my, with my puppy, she's fine with it, or at least she got used to it. I know why cute
aggression happens. Your brain has to keep itself balanced so you make, so because you're
so excited to see your cute dog your brain evens it up by making you aggressive
Hassan you're a gym bro what did they do wrong oh i don't even show this oh god i can't even look at that
don't step foot in chattanooga bro chattanooga bro or you'll become an urban legend
i'm constantly smooching my cat and sometimes i just want to squeeze her very normal thank you
thank you for telling me that update from a big assault okay here here here is the austin clip
that you want me to watch. What is it?
Well, I don't.
And you definitely said that you were well.
So I don't.
I don't want to dispute the fact that I didn't say that I was gay and Lebanese,
both of which are right.
The I'm going to tell you the sequence of events because I didn't articulate
myself the way that I would have liked. OK.
OK. This is how it went.
Sure. Hassan Piker, notorious homophobe
radical left-wing political commentator. Yes, decided that he would go, I'm gay and Lebanese
as an impersonation of me. Correct. Okay. I don't understand. He just said it. He keeps saying it.
That's like his main thing. That's what he's known for. And for some reason, for some reason,
and he just keeps denying it, dude.
It's literally him.
Percented the impersonation of me,
and that was captured in time.
And then he then forgot that he did the impersonation of me
and then said that that was what I said.
And he was, you know.
I don't know if that was the debate.
The debate was it was you in the clip
because you didn't think it was you in the clip.
Well, let me go on the record and correct myself.
It was me in the clip.
Okay, good.
Yeah, it's true.
Why are we covering the gay Lebanese guy?
It's important.
It's important because this is a broadcast where we cover the truth, okay?
And some of my gayest and most Lebanese ops will routinely engage in an act known as lying.
Is he really claiming friendship copyright?
Austin is gay and it's not as homophobic.
Got it?
Yes.
You see this Kansas invalidation driver's license and birth certificates. Yeah, I just saw Kansas is
is attacking trans people again. Um, fucking psychopaths will be talking about that as well.
It's one day of the year. Asansi's every chat I send. Yes. Yes. Mamdani is packing dude,
16 inches and he plows. So it's true.
Asan, I must know, do you ever want to eat Kaia? Like take a little bite of her head
when you feel the cutegression? Do I want to bite her? I do bite her. I bite her all
the time. The problem is she's so hairy and then her hair gets stuck in my mouth. Yeah,
I bite her little fat lumps, when she's laying in bed, like a rotisserie chicken, I have
to bite her little fat lumps.
Is that weird?
Like little fat rolls?
I don't think that's weird.
That's the widest thing in the IU?
Oh, dude, that's why the whole dog abuse saga was so devastating for me because I am a white
woman when it comes to my dog.
I don't play around.
I love my dog.
I'm like an old white lady with loving my dog.
Straight up.
I mean, she does it to you.
That's true.
She, she nips at me when we're playing. I might as well bite back. Um, do you think
what they are doing with trans people is a trial run for a broader push to unilater?
They revoked the idea of non-white Americans being them fraudulent. Oops. Thousands of
versions of voters. Yes. Yes. Um, okay. Enough, enough conversations about cute aggression.
Okay. We're done with that. We're done with that. We are going to do the news because
There's a lot of news.
The Macy's, do you have a playlist?
I don't know if you're in here.
I don't know if you sent a playlist or not.
I just,
I guess we can start off with the,
do you see baby dogs in the news again?
Oh, hell yeah.
Before we get to the Epstein stuff,
let's just play.
I wanna start by telling you that,
yeah, I got it, the Macy's, thank you.
I want you guys to hold on to your butts because what you're about to see is unparalleled charisma,
a sexual dynamo, a deity in the like, a deity in the making, a panther.
Chuck Schumer talks about the state of the union and the floor of the senate. Let's take a look.
Last night was not America's state of the union.
It was Donald Trump's state of delusion.
For two long hours, the president stood in the house chamber congratulating himself inflating
his own ego but offering no solutions to our country's many problems.
He's in a bubble.
He doesn't even have a clue about what the average American family is going through.
Donald Trump patted himself on the back so many times, I thought he'd fall down.
While Donald Trump kept claiming that America is back and that we're, quote, winning so
much we don't know what to do with it, that's only half true.
We are not winning so much, but he sure has no idea what to do about the problems in America
I admitted it right there himself
Can he say that can he say that bro bro dial it back Chucky dial it back Jack oh
My god, bro. He's roasting him. He's roasting his ass, bro. That's crazy
What the hell? Oh my God, no way.
Is this legal? Flag on the play. Flag on the play, bro.
This is the strongest of the strongly worded letters, you know?
Go back home. We're asking something different than what the speech addressed.
They're asking, what about my electricity bill?
bill. How am I going to pay for my groceries? How am I going to afford a doctor? Donald
Trump ignored all these things during his speech last night. Frankly, I've never heard
a state of the union speech, and I've heard quite a few where the president's rhetoric
and the country's reality were so far apart. Yo, dude, God, he's such he's so fucking
goaded. This guy's going to save the nation, dude. Damn. He really daggers the old man.
He was like, uh, Mr. President, cut it out. There's a dang cheeto in the white house.
Oh, this condemnation is reaching China, harshly condemning Israel levels. No, no, no. This
is, this doesn't even reach that standard. Let's be real. Let's be fucking real. This
This doesn't even hit the trade maxing standards of China.
It's awesome, dude.
Instead, Donald Trump spent most of his speech focused on the accomplishments, not of his
administration, but on the accomplishments of other Americans whose accomplishments he
has nothing to do with.
We're all proud of the men and women hockey teams that just won golds in the Olympics.
We're all proud and grateful of our veterans.
They deserve honor.
But Donald Trump didn't have anything to do with these accomplishments.
He had so little to say about what he accomplished that he had to just go on and on about accomplishments
of others.
And folks back home want to hear about what the president is doing to help with their problems.
They don't want to hear a fantasy that everything is going great.
But it got worse.
didn't simply ignore the affordability crisis. He mocked it yet again. The average American
sitting at their table trying to figure out how they're going to pay that damn bill was
furious. And he said it doesn't matter. It's truly stunning to watch a bill. This is the
stupidest attack angle you're literally making him sound like he's selfless. I don't I gave
up already. I mean, this is so fucking stupid. God, I hate Chuck Schumer so much. Schmuck
Schumer. Oh my God, brother. Oh my fucking God. He is unbearable. Okay. I can't keep
watching this. I can't keep watching this because I'm too turned on. Here's a video
Schumer saying we're being too soft. Oh, this is from, this is from before. This is when
the last 12 day war before the 12 day war happened with Iran and Israel. This was Chuck
Schumer's attitude to it. Donald Trump, who was like, Taco Trump.
Costa negotiating with the terrorist government of Iran. Trump's all over the lot. One day
he sounds tough, the next day he's backing off. And now, all of a sudden, we find out
that Whitcoff and Rubio are-
Why are you so against people taking baby steps? How can he ever come to your position
if you make fun of every baby step he takes?
Are you talking about Chuck Schumer? That's how everyone starts- You think Chuck Schumer
at the age of like 87 is actually going through a radical transformation where he's gonna become
Marxist Leninist. Are you fucking stupid? He has room to grow. What are you talking about?
Chuck Israel is my only ambition Schumer really?
Yeah, Chuck Schumer's a, uh, uh, he, Chuck Schumer's actually a tender queer. Okay. He is, uh,
he's just a he's going through his journey right now
and that's why he has a he has a lot of room to grow he's learning he's learning about all
the different ways he's experimenting with his body um he's becoming he's becoming a a a non-binary
marx's leninus he's on his he's on a socials arc why are you the man is 75 years old and this chatter
was he to baby him? Wait, what? He's, is he 75? I thought he was like 80. It's satirical trolling
of your usual charitability, bro. I don't think that person is being serious. I think that person
is like obviously making a meme, right? Like there's no one. I don't think there's a single person
in the United States of America that looks at Chuck Schumer, who has like very hardened positions
after being in Congress for like 80 fucking years, who genuinely thinks that Chuck Schumer is on a
journey to become more radical or something. No liberals say that shit. No, no liberal says
that because liberals don't even like Chuck Schumer. Liberals want Chuck Schumer to get
the fuck out of the way. Chuck Schumer's approval rating in the Democratic Party is
one of the lowest in the country. He hasn't heard the right arguments. We can make it.
Okay, maybe he is being sincere. I think this chatter is a stroke victim. That's what's
going on if he's being sincere. Yeah, he's on a journey to bed. Yeah, he's just, he's
gonna, he's gonna become a leftist dude. He's gonna become true left. Chuck Schumer
for DSA, please.
On negotiating a secret side deal with Iran, what kind of bull is this?
They're going to sound tough in public and then have a side deal that lets Iran get away
with everything?
That's outrageous.
We need to make that side deal public.
Any side deal should be before Congress and most importantly the American people.
If Taco Trump is already folding, the American public should know about it.
He's literally mad at that point. He was mad that Trump might do a side deal with Iran
that actually avoids disaster. This was last time.
Okay. Some find hyperbolic when those of us on the left talk about there being a uniparty
or suggested there's significant convergence between the Dems and the GOP. They might not
literally be the same, but there are areas of violent agreement. And these are often
the most dangerous case in point says Luke Savage. Here you have the leader of the nominally
liberal reform-minded opposition attacking Trump and Rubio from the right for not being
aggressive and hawkish enough. The dominant tendency in both parties when it comes to
foreign policy keeps pretty close to Bush era neo-conservatism, albeit with some periodic
aesthetic and rhetorical differences. And when it comes to the Democrats, stuff like
Schumer's posturing around Trump and Iran also tells you they don't really believe in
any of the democracy on the brink rhetoric they've campaigned and fundraised on since
2016, because if you really thought Trump was an aspiring fascist dictator and a menace
to American democracy itself, you wouldn't also be encouraging him to start wars, let
alone applauding his state of the union.
Now of course, this, I think Luke Savage, who writes for The Atlantic, The Washington
Post, doesn't realize that this is not a new video.
This is an old video.
This is from before the 12 day war where Chuck Schumer was flanking the Republicans from
the right as Democrats are known to do when it comes to military posture against Iran,
right?
But that's, it doesn't matter because it actually is complimentary to his current perspective,
which is, as long as Trump informs the public about why he must militarily and ruthlessly
dominate Iran, then I'm fine with it.
Because that's what Chucky Boy's take is, okay?
Because Donald Trump is the Trump administration on the brink of spending possibly trillions,
if not definitely billions of dollars, striking a massive and incredibly diverse foreign adversary
that is 90 million strong.
And they want to do this at the behest of Israel and nothing else.
people will say america has a grand ambition in the men in region in iran is obviously thwarting
that objective and that much is true but there is a different way of dealing with iran as i will
be talking to ben rode's uh... about extensively ben rode's was uh... a national security advisor
for brock obama and actually played a formative role in the jcpoa they used to call him hamas roads
Ben Hamas Rhodes in the fucking the outsiders would call him Ben Hamas Rhodes because of
his anti-Israel positions in the Obama administration. He's been in the crosshairs of the the Zionist
lobby for a very long time. We'll be, you know, we'll be having this conversation and
also Jake Tapper another villain in the story is like it is quite critical of the Obama
administration at the time as well. This is from December 28th, 2016. So, because of his
opposition to Israel's genocide, right? Yes. Ben Rhodes is a very interesting figure in the
Obama administration. And he's always, he's been, I mean, he is, he played a role in two of the,
He played a role in two of Obama's signature foreign policy accomplishments that I ride
for pretty aggressively, pretty openly, right?
Kaya hunting a fly.
No, there's people working in the house, and that's why Kaya is out and about.
Isn't he also close to possibly the world are I missing?
Yes, he is.
So anyway, we'll be talking to Ben Rhodes about this as well, like a different vision
for how to deal with Iran as opposed to the way that like the Trump administration has
obviously put Israel in the driver's seat of our Middle Eastern policy.
But my point is, we have, we have, we are at the precipice.
We are at the precipice of a very dangerous war with Iran that will destabilize the region
that will potentially displace tens of millions of people,
and it will cost American lives,
it will cost tens of billions of dollars,
if not depending on the length of the campaign,
trillions of dollars as the global war on terror did,
and most likely lead to the collapse of the American empire,
if you wanna see like, you know,
some kind of positive in this otherwise very dangerous
war mongering and I think it deserves more scrutiny and I think we need to have a serious
conversation about like the alternative means of dealing with foreign governments.
Foreign governments that we have designed as foreign adversaries, the Iranian government
being one of those governments, right? And that's the reason why I always go back to
how this is being done with Israel's directive. I'm not one of these people that says like,
you know, Israel controls America or anything like that, but Israel certainly is in the
driver's seat when it comes to our men of policy, Middle East and North African policy.
Israel is in the driver's seat. That much is very clear to me. And it happened in the
first Trump administration and it certainly continued into the Biden administration and
it's happening once again at the directive of Trump. So, it's important to identify the differences
in opinion when it comes to foreign policy with previous administrations as opposed to the current
one and I will do that, you know, I will do that.
How can you say that you are more than 50 times better than me, brother?
There is a chat here. What do you need right now? How can you be a dog?
Brother, can you be a dog when you come to America? Please. Please.
Let's get into the Hillary Rodham Clinton conversation, the deposition that took place
as Hillary Clinton testified she had no idea of Epstein's crimes.
We'll start there first and then we'll move on to some other major stories.
There's certainly a lot going on in the world so let's get right into it.
Epstein's list of powerful friends never fails to shock and among the most powerful
of all former President Bill Clinton, pictured in a jacuzzi swimming pool and on a private
plane. The Epstein files have no photographs of his wife Hillary Clinton with the billionaire
pedophile she does not think they ever met. But still, she was summoned first to take
questions from US lawmakers investigating Epstein's crimes. The House Oversight Committee's
Republican chair, said there was no suggestion of wrongdoing by the Clintons, but he wanted
answers about Epstein.
How did he accumulate so much wealth?
How was he able to surround himself with some of the most powerful men in the world?
Was he an asset for our government or any other government?
Hillary Clinton has admitted that she did know Ghislaine Maxwell.
Well enough that you can see-
Yep.
Remember this.
Remember this.
about this a lot. Oh man, it's like, it's crazy. They're playing my greatest fucking
hits over here for like the last decade. You know, these are some of my greatest hits
over the last decade. And now they saw mainstream news is crazy. Larry Summers resigned. A lot
of ops are falling left and right. Pretty fucking solid here. She attended her daughter
Chelsea's wedding. But she released an opening statement on social media saying she had no
idea about Epstein's criminal activities, adding,
I never flew on his plane or visited his island. She said, if this committee is serious about
learning the truth, it should ask Donald Trump directly under oath about the tens of thousands
of times he shows up in the Epstein files. It would not waste time on phishing expeditions.
What is being held back? She asked. Who is being protected and why the cover up?
The deposition took place behind closed doors with video expected later,
but it was briefly disrupted when this photograph from inside was leaked.
Fucking Lobo took a sneak peek, took a sneak peek, a candid of Hillary Rodham Clinton,
And then sent it the fucking Benny Johnson. And then Benny Johnson watermarked the shit out of the photo and blasted it on the timeline.
My god, we are run by fucking animals.
This is a country that is straight up on autopilot. There is no other way to approach it, okay? We have truly
10 IQ troglodytes in positions of profound power.
Lauren Boebert is one of these people.
Okay?
Absolute fucking clown show.
First of all, if you're going to do a sneak peek,
you might as well record some of the most damaging parts
that they might actually try to strike from the record.
You know?
Fuck it.
If you're going to do this,
if you're going to violate,
if you're going to violate the rules,
if you're going to violate the process,
do it for something good,
like when they ask Hillary Clinton a question, and her answer is off the record, you know,
because that's something that happened with Les Wexner's deposition.
Les Wexner was directly asked about Jeffrey Epstein's close relationship with Donald Trump,
and they went off the fucking record.
To a conservative commentator, speaking outside, committee Democrats said they were glad Hillary
Clinton was taking questions but agreed with her that there is a sense of a cover-up protecting others.
If the most powerful people in the United States of America, the elite and rich and
powerful men and women, are able to get away with these heinous crimes, then we are sending a
horrible message to young people in this country that powerful people will always protect themselves
and the rule of law does not apply to everyone.
Questions are still being asked about Trump himself, who was once close to Epstein.
The president says the files totally exonerate him,
but there are reports that key material relating to a woman who made an accusation
about the president could be missing.
Lawmakers, like congressmen...
Missing.
Huh.
Missing.
Yeah, it needs more water mars law. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The full photo is insane. Full
shot of the Clinton absentee testimony currently ongoing. What a psycho dude. Like this is insane.
Calling Bill and Hillary was a mistake by the idiot Republicans. This just put the story
back in the news, I know. I mean, it's not going away, man. It's not going away. Every
other day, there's like a, anytime there's like a liberal institution that at least takes
itself seriously enough that applies some scrutiny to, to people that are mentioned
in the Epstein files. It all of a sudden gets back into the news. It gets back into the
forefront of the news. There's so much going on. There, it's such a target rich environment
of pedophilic elites, that it's impossible not to keep this story in the headlines, right?
And Johnny Olszewski are trying to dig out information. He took up a Department of Justice
offer to search the files without redactions and saw things blacked out that shouldn't
have been.
Clearly protecting those who were involved and accused of terrible things.
And those are just the files that have been released.
A Channel 4 news investigation suggests they could amount to only 2% of the total.
The extent to which our government continues to withhold these documents is incredibly
disturbing and makes me think that.
It really feels that this is a cover-up worse than Watergate, which was the seminal moment
in American politics.
And you say it's like Watergate.
Is it going to bring down a president?
Again, I think if the potential crimes and the potential activities that are hinted at
are actually chased down and found to be true, it absolutely will bring down this president
as it should bring down any president.
I think if it's tracked down and found to be true, it will bring down cabinet secretaries,
it will bring down a Supreme Court justice, it will bring down members of Congress.
And that's how it should be.
Trump has always denied wrongdoing while the Department of Justice.
He looks positively slim in this photo. I do have to say he's kind of slaying.
Okay, no disrespect to any anybody else, but I know it's not relevant, but he's looking slim.
He's looking slim thick.
It has made clear that being in the files does not imply guilt.
There are no accusations against Bill Clinton, but his clear association with Jeffrey Epstein
will be the subject of questions tomorrow, as this scandal continues to unfold.
Hillary and Bill Clinton are the first people to have been effectively forced to appear
at a deposition. And you can hear in Hillary Clinton's statement that she has read out
to lawmakers that she is absolutely furious about that. She thinks it is political. She
has said to them, you've made little effort to call the people who show up most prominently
in the files. And when one billionaire businessman, Lex Wexner, was questioned, Republicans didn't
even turn up. She's talked about spending her life devoted to, you know, women and girls,
talking about meeting girls as young as 12, forced into prostitution, calling it a global
scourge with an unimaginable human toll. And she has argued that if this is really about
the survivors, then all the Epstein files should be out there. I mentioned in the piece
that there's been reporting here from the New York Times and also from NPR suggesting
that files relating to Donald Trump might be missing. But our own investigations show
that the FBI discussed taking in way more files than we have seen. And that is why people
feel that this could be a cover up.
What? So is Bill Fahm going to jail? Fuck no. I have long maintained the position that
this is, is map mutual assured pedophilia destruction. Okay. It's, it's mad theory,
but for instead of nuclear arms, we're talking about leaking the pedophile files, right?
And I think that's what's like holding it together. But the problem is, because this
This is an international conspiracy because Jeffrey Epstein had entanglements with so
many other countries.
There are always going to be other countries that go, this is not great for us.
We have to maintain a presence of law and order.
So you got like in Norway, princelings getting the boot.
You have in the UK some potential justice being served, right?
when that happens, that applies pressure to the American government, okay? That applies pressure
to the American institutions, because then people go, wait a minute, in the fucking United Kingdom,
they're actually going after their people. They're going after their Jeffrey Epstein affiliates.
Why are we not doing that? This was a similar pressure applied in the issue of Israel,
where in the European capitals you had people protesting against their government saying like
what the fuck are we letting Israel do a genocide get the fuck out of here like do something about
this and that was the reason why a lot of European leaders had to come out and and release statements
about you know soft condemnations of Israel or offer some recognition to Palestinian statehood
conditional recognition of Palestinian statehood but like they were moving away from America on
this issue, which is why Trump had to go in and be like, all right, we're gonna do a fake ceasefire,
right? And that's kind of what's happening here as well, where there's more scrutiny and more
pressure in European countries towards their Jeffrey Epstein affiliates. And that creates an
environment where Americans start pressuring. The American institutions, where Jeffrey Epstein
was like heavily involved with said American institutions like Harvard, right? Larry Summers
was deeply involved with Jeffrey Epstein. We've known this for years and years.
And now Harvard, in an effort to save face, is forcing Larry Summers to fucking resign, right?
Oh my God. Zoram, I'm dying. Just got off the phone. President Trump, in our meeting earlier,
are Shea Marcus about Columbia student Elina Aga, uh, I Eva, who was detained by ISIS
morning. He's just informed me that she will be released immediately. That's fucking incredible,
dude. That is incredible. Fantastic shit. He made the boss call.
That's pretty fire, I will admit.
That's really, really fucking cool. Hold on.
The brown boy superpower of unq whispering. Yeah, Trump fucking loves him, dude. Holy
shit.
How the fuck is one dude doing more than the whole Democratic party?
that's crazy. Respect. Respect. He's plowing snow and he's doing the, he's doing it. He's
doing the damn thing, you know, it's hard not to, it's hard not to give him praise,
You know?
All right.
Let's continue with this.
Well, I'm now joined by Doug Sosnick, who serves as a senior advisor to President Bill
Clinton for six years.
Thank you for joining us.
I guess America was so divided that people will divide on how they feel about this.
do you think Hillary Clinton can emerge from her questioning
without her reputation damaged?
Well, I think the last person in the world
I'd worry about is Hillary Clinton.
Is absolutely no reason why she should be called
in the test of us.
She's never met Epstein to her recollection.
She's not in the files.
This is all about politics.
And the chairman of the committee,
Mr. Comber who's been chairman now for three years,
as a track record has demonstrated that he's pretty much a back benching and competent
political hack on behalf of Trump. And so outside of the MAGA universe, I think the vast majority
of people in this country see this for what it is. I should just add quickly that the economists
came out with a poll this week in which 57% of the country disapproves of how the Trump administration
has handled the Epstein matter, and that they believe 53%, which is a majority, believe
that there's been a cover-up.
But she did know Gilene Maxwell attended Chelsea Clinton's wedding.
That is an uncomfortably close association with a criminal.
Well, that, first of all, that's accurate.
And the reason that she was there, my understanding was that Hillary had a long-standing relationship
with her boyfriend at the time, but that has nothing to do with what the chairman said
on your piece before I came on about why he called her in to get to the bottom of a whole
series of questions about Epstein and how he got his money, which is ridiculous, of course,
because he never met the guy.
And the last thing I'll add is Melania Trump, on the other hand, had a longstanding relationship
with Epstein, longstanding relationship.
It shows you the absurdity and the politicization of this that Hillary's being called, and of course Melania's not.
Well, and of course Trump. But I mean, the trouble for Hillary Clinton surely is that her whole political career, since she was first lady, has been dogged by the behavior of her husband.
and he gives evidence tomorrow.
And there is much more evidence
that he did have a relationship with Epstein.
There are all those photos of him,
that don't look good.
Is it possible for Hillary Clinton not to be affected
by the claims against Bill?
Well, first of all, I don't think there's a single person
in the United States of America
that doesn't have a strong opinion
about Hillary Clinton at this point.
I think it's very unlikely that this or anything else is gonna change that.
But this is not about Hillary Clinton and there's nothing that came out prior to the
hearing or in the hearings so far that suggests in any shape or form that she had any dealings
with Epstein.
So this is not gonna, I don't believe, impact her.
Melania is probably a victim, let's be real.
Okay, I wouldn't go that far, but Melania was connected to Trump through Jeffrey Epstein
and Jean-Luc Brinnell.
in any way.
Right, but what's about the impact on Bill Clinton's
moral when he gives?
I mean, she might have been a victim at some point.
Well, that's a different matter.
And again, I think most people have a pretty strong
opinion one way or the other about Bill Clinton already.
And I can just sit here and tell you,
I can tell you a couple of things.
As someone who worked for six years for President Clinton,
and my office for the last three of those years
was actually next to the Oval Office.
and I went on almost all of his trips for four years.
I never saw once Epstein either at an event, calling in,
never discussed it with him.
So I know while, at least when I was there as president,
that Epstein had no dealings with Clinton.
The matters that had been brought to attention
subsequent were after Clinton had left office.
We're gonna begin with this though.
We've got some major, major new developments
in the fallout from those Epstein files.
Former President Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton
are set to give depositions to Congress starting today
in its probe of the Epstein files.
There are also new questions this morning
over allegations against President Trump
and whether key documents involving his name
and an accuser were withheld by the Department of Justice.
There has also been an apology from billionaire Bill Gates
over his association with Jeffrey Epstein.
Nicole Killian is in Chappaqua, New York
where the Clintons will give their depositions.
We are. This this continues.
The fall continues and we keep hearing
there's more to come.
We're also hearing that another member
of the global lead has become the
latest casualty of the Epstein files.
What's this one about?
Yeah, that's right, Gail, and good
morning to you. We are learning
that the CEO of the Davos
Forum has resigned the latest
member of the global elite to face
consequences for ties to Jeffrey Epstein.
Meantime here in the U.S.
that Clintons are said to appear behind closed doors
for taped depositions after being threatened
with contempt of Congress.
Images in the Epstein file show powerful men
like President Trump, former President Bill Clinton,
and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates
in undated photos with women.
All three adamantly deny any criminal wrongdoing
and have not been charged in connection with Jeffrey Epstein.
Every minute I spent with him, I regret
and I apologize that I did that.
Microsoft mogul apologized to the Gates Foundation staff Tuesday and admitted to having extramarital
affairs with two Russian women, but added, I did nothing illicit in a recording obtained by
the Wall Street Journal. In two 2013 emails with the subject line bill that Jeffrey Epstein appears
to have sent himself. Yeah, I saw this photo. It's fucking awesome. I had a productive meeting
with President Trump this afternoon. I'm looking forward to building more housing in New York
City, Ford to city, drop dead, vows, he'll veto any bailout. Trump to city, let's build
back's new era of housing. Trump delivers 12,000 plus homes, most is 1973. He's so,
dude, dude, dude.
Zoramumdani is exactly the person that Trump would love to win favor with. Remember when
I told you that Donald Trump's greatest anger and resentment towards elite liberals stems
from the fact that New York elite society, the intelligentsia, the artists, and the
old money benefactors of all of these different artistic initiatives in the city of New York
never recognized the Trump family as a part of the elite.
The socialites never actually wanted to hang out with him.
They always considered him to be crude and brash of poor taste, nuvel reach.
That's where a lot of his anger comes from.
Zoran Mamdani, on the other hand, did something that Barack Obama never did, which is just
kind of talk to him normally.
Because Zoran is a person who was welcomed by the cultural elite very quickly.
I mean, it makes sense.
He's a well-dressed guy, he's well-spoken, he comes from that background, his father
is a fucking academic, his mother is a very famous movie director, right?
So he is very clearly a part of that movement, okay?
He's very clearly a part of this group that Donald Trump desperately wants to win favors
with.
And I think a part of the reason why Donald Trump is fascinated with Zoran seemingly is
because Zoran Humdani is, I guess, not as repulsed by him.
He has a way of communicating with him that, cuz he has to fucking play ball cuz Trump
is the president.
He has a way of communicating with him in this charming manner that isn't outwardly repulsed.
That I think Donald Trump just responds this way to whatever he's doing and offers him
whatever he wants.
A real hog whisperer, if you will.
Not hostile, but also not submissive.
Yes, not like a overtly hostile.
The same shit Putin does to him, manipulation.
Yeah. You never get something free from Trump. I think part of the reason why he's doing it
is because he wants to lean into affordability. He recognizes it's an area that is really devastating
for him. What he doesn't realize is that giving Zoran, whatever Zoran wants in terms of like
affordability is going to give him like a little boost in the press, but it's also going to cause
resentment amongst his base. He's gonna be like, oh, so you're building housing in fucking
New York? Why won't you do that in Missouri? But I don't think Donald Trump gives a shit
about that right now. I think he's like so desperate to get some positive coverage or
so desperate to associate himself with like actual affordability initiatives that he
He will do stuff like this.
All over the report just got dropped by the perfect union that they wouldn't let him into
the Bohemian club either.
Hence why people believe this anger about the draining of the swamp because it's genuine.
He couldn't get into these elite spaces.
I've said this for fucking years.
I recognize this when Donald Trump came out with that famous tweet talking about Sissy
Graydon Carter not having cool vanity fair parties anymore.
No man, no man that runs around talking about the sissy great and Carter's vanity fair parties
is a man that is from the heartland that cares about like the average fucking working class
American, the average American reactionary living in the rust belt, okay?
I've been saying this for years.
He always wanted to be welcomed into elite society and his cultural, his resentment towards
the cultural elite that happened to be liberal or even more radical than liberal comes from
the fact that these elite circles never welcomed him because they thought he was like rude
and a disgusting slumlord. Okay? That's it. So there are a multitude of different factors
here. Obviously, one of them is that he wants to be associated with like doing something
in terms of affordability in the in the realm of housing. But the other reason is because
Zoran is welcomed by those forces. I mean, he's fucking, I mean, you've seen it. Like he goes,
he goes to like the, he'll, he's the mayor of New York City. Trump obviously cares about
he also hangs out with these like cool celebrities and shit, you know what I mean?
And it's also additionally ironic that his only fucking experience with the New York cultural elite is currently making him
incredibly unpopular.
because his only entry point into the New York cultural elite was through
Mar-a-Lago, through Jeffrey Epstein, and now that affiliation and that
association is being called in the question anyway, so he doesn't even
have the cool factor in that regard, right? So he's cooked.
And that's what's going on here. Is it W because it's proved that local organizers
can achieve results no matter who the big boss is? Yeah. We'll look at the more perfect
union. Because that's a friend of the show, Daniel Boguslaw's reporting investigative
reporter formerly of the Intercept and Rolling Stone that did a Bohemian Grove conspiracy
theory video with More Perfect Union. It landed in More Perfect Union as opposed to the Intercept.
Apparently, I'm almost certain that he actually did the investigation initially for the Intercept
and it got thwarted there. So they landed it on More Perfect Union, which is great.
do that woke Alex Jones. If you say so. I don't believe that the bohemian grove is a
place where they're like actually doing satanic sacrifice, baby sacrifice or something. I
think it's another fucking elite club. That's it. That's it's like a it's like a golf club.
know. I think you guys read into it a little too much. Is there a reason why you don't
react to more perfect union videos? No, I just like I'm doing the hard, you know, regular
hard news coverage and commentary and more perfect union is brilliant. They're fantastic.
I just don't sometimes I don't have time to do it. The convicted sex offender said he
He had been helping Bill to get drugs in order to deal with consequences of sex with
Russian girls, including antibiotics to surreptitiously give to Melinda.
Gates ex-wife spoke earlier this month on an NPR podcast.
For me, it's just sadness, sadness for, you know, I've left, I had to, I left my marriage,
I had to leave my marriage, I wanted to leave my marriage.
But the focus now isn't just whose names appear, it's what some lawmakers say isn't there.
The top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee is raising concerns that documents related to allegations by an
Epstein survivor who accused Trump of sexual misconduct may be missing from the documents that were released to the public.
It's a survivor who has made serious allegations of the president and that needs to be investigated.
Something another Epstein survivor, Elizabeth Stein, says goes beyond any one person.
Any time that we find anything that could potentially be misconduct, we find that it's a person who has been accused of
anyone person anytime that we find anything that could potentially be
missing. We need to call attention to it regardless of who it's about.
And Harvard University announced its former president Larry Summers will
relinquish his remaining roles following an internal Epstein review.
Summer served as Treasury Secretary under former President Bill Clinton,
former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will be deposed here today while
her husband will follow tomorrow. Nate Nicole. Thank you. There are
There are growing questions this hour about dozens of records that appear to be missing
from the Epstein files.
According to a CNN review, those records in question are FBI witness interviews, and three
of the missing interviews are related to a woman who accused both Jeffrey Epstein and
Michael Treacy.
How will the Republicans spin this?
I guess they'll just spin the block and refuse to cover it, right?
My favorite, my favorite contrarian in this entire Jeffrey Epstein saga has been the perennial
Contrary and Michael Tracy, who is, who's waging war on the internet right now. He will
take the opposition position on every single issue. And it's awesome that he's like, he
straight up is like, we need to defend the pedophilic cabal. Like we need to defend the
pedophilic billionaires. He's been like, he's been aggressively attacking the victims,
saying that they're all like harlots and liars and all this stuff. When they got defenders
like Mike Tracy, where is there to worry about Howard letting it confirmed visitor to Epstein's
pedophile Island showed up to the state of the union all smiles, zero shame. And also
I think Howard letting shook Chuck Schumer's hand too. It's simple. Oh, there it is. It's
a big club and you ain't in it is so real except you don't want to be a part of this
big club anyway.
Right.
President Trump of sexually assaulting unless you're fucking Nick Fuentes or one of these
losers who's now saying like, well, Jeffrey Epstein was kind of based actually, unless
you're a girl.
On the oversight committee is among those expressing concern.
I went to the DOJ file search room yesterday to look for these documents that are in the
and manifest document and they should be in there and they're not there.
These documents relate to a survivor that has made serious allegations about the person.
What's important now is that the DOJ explained to us why were those documents removed?
CNN's Kara Skinnell joins us now.
So Kara, what more do we know about the specifics of these documents?
Well, Erica, the CNN investigative team have taken a look into these records and they found
that there are dozens of files that are missing and the way that they were able to do this
is they looked at the serial numbers that were on an evidence log provided to Epstein's
accomplice, Glenn Maxwell, and being looking at those serial numbers discovered that there
were a dozens of them missing and they were, these all relate to 302s, that's the FBI form
for witness interviews and there are 325 included on that list, but there are 90 of them missing
and within those 90 that are missing includes three from a woman who said that she was sexually assaulted
by Jeffrey Epstein going back to when she was as young as 13 years old and she also made an allegation that she was sexually assaulted
by Donald Trump in the 19th.
By the way, whenever they say young woman it blows my fucking mind because the victim is like barely a bit of like
the victim is a baby, okay? It's a child.
Like 13 year old is not a fucking young woman, okay?
13 year olds, a little girl, like, holy shit.
Like, we're not even talking about a minor who's like 17 when they already do.
They already say young woman when they're talking about a 17 year old and it's
like, okay, well you're, you're, you're very liberal in your use of the language
here, uh, because that's still a fucking teenager.
That's still a child.
That's still a minor, but you're now talking about like a 13 year old and
you're like, oh, young woman.
Like that's insane.
We're talking about like barely, barely out of being a fucking
preteen. Like, what are we talking about?
80s. Now, we went to the White House with this, they said that
these are false allegations, and it's just sensationalists. The
Justice Department said that they have not deleted any
documents and that they said that if there are documents that
are not on the public website, that's either because they were
duplicates, privileged, or part of an ongoing investigation.
We have seen with the release of these records on the public website that sometimes documents
are there, they're taken down, then they're put back up.
It's unclear if there is any process that is underway related to these specific documents
and these allegations against Donald Trump.
Donald Trump, though, has not been accused of any wrongdoing.
He's not been investigated for any wrongdoing.
It's unclear what happened to these specific allegations by this woman who spoke with investigators
in 2019.
There was another record in the files, a summary from the FBI, about a number of these salacious
allegations, and it said that one person claimed abuse by Trump but refused to cooperate.
So if that is that same person, it could be that they just reached a dead end.
But of course, Democrats are calling foul, as they have repeatedly, about the Justice
Department's process of publicizing the records that are required under the law
and redactions that they have taken. Hours after this story broke today the
Justice Department responded to questions of where these documents are
saying as with all documents flagged by the public the department is currently
reviewing files within that category of production. Should any document be found
to have been improperly tagged in the review process and is responsive to the
act, meaning the law that forced him to publish all of this. The department will, of course,
publish it consistent with that law. My source tonight is California Congressman Dave Min,
who is a Democrat on the House Oversight Committee. And thank you for being here.
When you hear that response from the Justice Department, do you believe that's sufficient?
Thanks so much for having me, Caitlin. And the answer is no, it's not. They are not responding
the law and at this point I think it appears clear and clear every day that they are knowingly
violating and willfully violating the law that we passed that Donald Trump signed in the law
requiring them to return over every responsive document and I want to be clear just to clarify
two things that I think you alluded to one Donald Trump is accused of sexually assaulting a child
in those memos that you mentioned two that it's not just a few dozen documents that are not being
turned over, fully half of the documents that we're aware of, some three million documents
have not been turned over by the DOJ.
They claim they've fully responded, and yet we've found over and over again.
And I can tell you that oversight, Democratic staff have confirmed what you have found that
these documents are missing.
They were not turned over, even though they were very clearly responsive to the questions
that we asked.
And this appears to be part of a very broad cover-up, and you may remember back to last
May, when Pam Bondi reportedly fooled Donald Trump, he was in the Epstein files.
After that, there were a lot of reports that DOJ attorneys were being asked to go redact
documents, to hide documents, to remove documents from the files that had Donald Trump's name.
So we're definitely continuing to look at this, but it appears that the DOJ is willfully
violating the law.
Yeah, and of course, an interview or a witness statement, it doesn't mean that it happened.
I mean, there's, you can read through these documents,
there's a lot in there.
But in terms of what should be published
in accordance with the law that you pass,
and these haven't been, I mean, do you believe
that this is, they're intentionally breaking that law
or do you think it's because,
which is what we've heard from DOJ,
they had so much to publish, such a compressed timeframe,
that's the issue here.
Yeah.
And so just to give you a quick heads up on my background,
I was a federal enforcement attorney
to start my career at the SCC.
I have spent many, many hours doing this type of document review and management and looking
things through.
And at this point, I do not believe that this is just a delay in turning the documents over.
The fact that so many Donald Trump related documents have not been turned over that his
name has been repeatedly redacted, matches a lot of the reports that we heard that they
were trying to cover this up.
And at this point, I think, well, the chat has come to the consensus that she mobs him.
I mean, Kaitlin mobs most, let's be real. Like she holds frame. She's frame. Mogging everybody.
She's brow maxing. It's not, it's not even a question.
Everybody's entitled. She is the mom queen, queen mom, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, uh, Les
Waxner, uh, anybody else. Uh, but the fact is that everything here looks like the DOJ
is again under the direction of Pam Bondi,
the AG willfully trying to hide a lot of what's happening
right now.
Starting us off, Republican member
of the House Oversight Committee,
Congressman Ana Paulina.
Just psycho.
Okay, let's hear from this psychopath.
Congressman, thank you for joining me this evening.
I mean, you have heard likely the Department of Justice
saying that they are looking into whether the files
mentioning President Trump were improperly removed. Do you trust them to be transparent in that inquiry?
I have followed up on another occasion similar and they have been very forthcoming. I've actually
talked directly to Todd Blanch and so I will personally be ensuring that that's followed
through on but I would like to also state that I think that the files that we have currently
under this administration are likely not the full files. I do believe that some were destroyed
previously. And I say that because in January of last year, when I was the only member of
Congress that was pushing for the release of these files, we actually had a whistleblower
come forward, actually introduced legislation because of that, I even forwarded this finding
to the FBI for investigation that there was destruction of evidence. And so it'll probably
require a longer segment, but I will say that there have been redactions that we've come
across I've been and I've looked at the files for a number of hours. Whenever we flag those
files they are immediately then unredacted but there has and it does seem to be kind of an
internal war going on even at the Department of Justice where they have the order and then
you have some of the attorneys that have been in charge of the reductions and so we're doing
everything that we can to deliver on transparency but as you can see Epstein and the his involved
network is it quite extensive and involves a lot of people. Well congresswoman that does not
really inspire confidence if you believe files have been destroyed that transparency is not
complete if it's not been thorough how can the American public who are not
privy to what you say you've seen who do not have access to the files how can
they be confident that the Attorney General Bondi leading this charge or
others who are in charge of providing documents that they really will do so in
the interest of justice. Well I think that first off is you have a bipartisan
bipartisan oversight committee actually working to cover not cover up but
actually go into all of this, right?
We're interviewing the Clinton's tomorrow.
But to be clear, I mean, the destruction of evidence
occurred under previous administrations,
and that in itself, if you look at the network
that was involved with Jeffrey Epstein,
I mean, to think that there aren't shady things happening
in your government, I think, would just be a lie
to the American people.
The fact is, is that we did have someone come forward.
They did say that there was destruction of evidence
under the former deputy director of the FBI.
And even if you're looking at the original plea deals
that Jeffrey Epstein was given when he was first charged
and then also to more recently,
when he then committed suicide in New York.
I mean, he should have never gotten off.
He should have never had his sentences
drop down to the way that he did.
And there are marks of intelligence
surrounding this as well,
whether it was foreign or our own.
But I don't think that we're ever going to get
the full picture.
And so I think that when you're talking about
the story as a whole, these things,
we try to be transparent.
I'm telling the American people directly on my social media
what I'm finding out as we learn them. But I think the Jeffrey Epstein case in itself
will kind of go down in history as one of those things that we might not fully ever
get the answers on.
The document from the Epstein file shows those.
Yeah, the real solution here is to have an independent committee, um, an independent
prosecutor investigate the DOJ because it's obvious that like if the coverup is being
conducted by the Department of Justice, then the Department of Justice cannot investigate
its own fucking cover-up. The problem also with an independent commission would still,
an independent commission could still be redirected in a subsequent cover-up of the cover-up investigation.
Especially when we're talking about someone who is as compromised and as deeply entangled with
not only the CIA, but also with Mossad. And that's it. That is the real reason.
This person did not get this level of access into the American intelligence
agencies, while also sometimes keeping a close relationship with foreign
intelligence agencies, and also being a fixer and a sex trafficker and a partier and a
networker amongst like the American or the international elite basically, and was able
to do this for years and years and years, and then not have that, not had that lead
to any sort of scrutiny whatsoever, it's like they're all in on it.
They're all in on it.
I hope all of you in this chat contract a very rare disease and die or legalize lobotomies
for the mentally ill.
Are you a Jeffrey Epstein defender?
Are you an Epstein truther?
Very strange.
Very strange time to come in to say, because this is supposed to be like a unifying message
for everybody, right?
regardless of how right-wing you might be, I mean, you're about to lose your
account. That's definitely like a site wide band, but I hope before Twitch kicks
you off the platform for saying this, you can answer my question. Are you a
stan of Jeffrey Epstein? Like what's going on? You're a, you're a, you're an Epstein guy?
Quick, very strange hill to die on someone pull his asthma gold logs. I want to know more
Because like
Considering that the the Jeffrey F. C stuff is as close to like class warfare from the pro side as we're gonna get
I'm legitimately confused when someone comes in and is like quick to defend Jeffrey Epstein,
right?
It's very shocking because I feel like you could go to the American heartland.
You go to West Virginia and talk to like a Republican lifelong Republican or, you know,
recently swapped Republican MAGA diehard in a plus Trump plus 35 district.
they probably would also be like, yeah, fuck Jeffrey Epstein and fuck everyone involved
with him. They might not connect him to Donald Trump as as willingly as we do. But overall,
This is a fairly unifying message, but I guess he's got no response to it, huh?
Like we're over here being like, Hey, we should take down the international pedophilic, uh,
crime ring, like sex trafficking ring and all of the billionaires that are affiliated
with it, regardless of party affiliation. And this guy's like, no, fuck you guys, you
guys are all enemies of mine. If you're going after, I'm, I'm waging, I'm waging class full
class warfare on the side of the pedophilic billionaires. Like, okay.
Late sex offender went to greater lengths than previously known to conceal potential evidence
of his crimes. 11 days before police raided Epstein's Palm Beach mansion in 2005, a private
investigator took away computers, telephone directories, sex toys and pornography. The
items are inventoried in a previously unseen memo the investigator prepared for Epstein's
lawyer who would give instructions to remove items of potential evidentiary value from
Epstein's home. A lawyer who represents scores of Epstein's victims has long believed he
was tipped off, the police were coming. You see him working hand in hand with his lawyers
and private investigators to make sure that his decades long sex trafficking operation
was not uncovered, so it shows you the incredible power he had.
In video taken by Palm Beach Police on the day of the search, you can see officers zero
in on monitors, keyboards and printers, but the computers appeared to be missing.
The inventory list says the Private Eye removed three computers, a three-page directory of
Florida masseuses and a photograph of a white female.
There were also nude photos.
Sex manuals and 29 telephone directories believed to hold Epstein's contacts of the
rich and powerful.
It's just incredibly frustrating because if we had had this information 10 years ago,
we could have spared a lot of lives.
Prosecutors went to great lengths in 2007 to obtain the missing computers, believing they
contained relevant and potentially critical information.
But Epstein's lawyers fought to keep them away from prosecutors, and they have never
been fully recovered.
And the sporting the justice department says it is reviewing whether materials about an
unproven sexual assault accusation against President Trump were omitted from public release.
Documents related to the woman who made the claim, which dates to more than 40 years ago
when the accuser was a minor, could not be located in a search by ABC News.
Trump has long denied any wrongdoing, and the Justice Department says it will publish any
documents found to have been improperly tagged in the review process.
Now, what happened?
Just the oopsie, man. Just the oopsie. We combed through millions of files and oopsie.
We just happened to improperly file the, the 13 year old who accused Donald Trump of, of
statutory rape. It's just, who would have guessed it, you know?
To Epstein's Palm Beach computers and all of the other items taken out of the house remain
to mystery. The lawyer who arranged to remove the items died last year. And guys, we can
could not reach the private investigator hired for the job.
Amazing.
There's still a mystery here.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Quote, we got you spelled with it, you, the letter.
That's what the governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands told Jeffrey Epstein just months before
Epstein's arrest in 2019, and obviously, of course, more than a decade after he was already
convicted of soliciting a minor for prostitution back in 2008.
Newly released Justice Department documents show that as regulators investigated unauthorized
construction on one of Epstein's two private islands issuing stop work orders
and weighing potential fines. Epstein appealed directly to the island's
governor for help. Tax messages uncovered by K file show Governor Albert
Brian Jr telling Epstein he had asked one of the regulators to quote hold
everything until speaking with him and later sought the recusal of the
commissioner overseeing the dispute. K files. Andrew Kaczynski joins me now.
And you know, Andrew, this is so important as we get to the heart of
Jeffrey Epstein and how he had the power and money that he had and how we
wielded it and this entire circle. So this gets to the influence and how we
wielded it. What do these messages reveal? Yeah, and you hit it right there at
these messages. They offer a rare window into how Epstein operated in the U.S.
Virgin Islands where he leveraged his wealth, business footprint and promises
of investment to try to influence local officials. Now I want to give people a
little background here. Epstein had deep roots in the Virgin Islands. He bought
his private island, Little St. James, in the 1990s.
He later expanded, you can see them both there.
He later expanded his footprint in 2016
and purchased neighboring Great St. James.
And the permits show that he had plans to build docks,
roads, residencies, and other development.
And this is where these texts
with the governor come into play.
Now by December 2018,
regulators were scrutiny construction on Great St. James.
The Virginia Islands Department of Planning
and Natural Resources had issued a stop work order
and began reviewing potential violations.
Epstein then reaches out directly
to then the newly elected governor,
Democrat Albert Bryan, Jr.
Look at this exchange between the two.
Epstein complained about potential fines.
And Bryan said he spoke to John Pierre Orrell.
That is the commissioner of the department
who they're calling JP in these texts.
And he asked him, Bryan said he had asked him to, quote,
hold everything until he and the attorney spoke to me.
Later, Epstein complains that the same commissioner, JP,
was quote, going after me in the press to which Brian responded that he had asked the
commissioner to recuse himself.
And then in another subsequent message, Brian wrote, I asked him to recuse himself and concede
on all previous permit requests.
Now the documents don't show what I mean.
This is the beginning of this relationship, which obviously led to so much further scrutiny
that there was like a legal case against the, against the islands.
So it's not, it is, this is stuff that isn't even new information, really.
Like this is stuff that we know about because there was a separate court case against Virgin
Islands already.
They've been, they were, like Jeffrey Epstein was basically running the show over there.
It's pretty fucked up.
I guess there, it doesn't hurt that there's like even more confirmation now in the public
eye, but this is something that we've covered before.
change, but what they do show is this. There was an active regulatory dispute. Epstein was
communicating directly with the governor of the territory, and the governor was telling
him that he was intervening on his behalf later when Brian-
If you were to speculate when in his life, do you think Epstein was tapped and recruited
by intelligence? I think like right before the Iran-Contra affair, like right when he
got into Bear Stearns the first time, like I don't know exactly what point in his life
where his career changed so dramatically, but I think it was fairly early on, because
he went from working under Bill Barr's dad at a New York school as a math teacher in
the Dalton school to being on the floor at Bear Stearns, and at that point, and that
That was Bill Barr's dad who gave him the job at the Dalton School for the record.
Bill Barr, the Attorney General under Trump, when Jeffrey Epstein was killed in prison,
under the watchful gaze of Bill Barr, there were connections between Bill Barr and Jeffrey
have seen far before then.
It's Bill Barr's dad was Jeffrey Epstein's boss, the
principal at the Dalton School in New York.
He was at Under Oath in a 2023 deposition, whether he had
received he, Epstein received any special favors or
treatment from him. He answered repeatedly and simply no.
All right, Andrew, obviously your reporting is very illuminating on that front and also shows this is not just a few text messages. Okay. So when again, we get to power and how how he was building it. Three months worth of text. Three months. January and they ended June. Obviously, Epstein is then arrested in July.
Did it take a little music and posted that she's free. She follows you on IG.
Let me see if we can reach out to her and talk to her about what happened.
L Harvey, how does it, ELL, Harvey E. Oh, yeah, she does.
All right, it is Zoran Finesse, it is Zoran Finesse to get her out, yeah.
This is a Columbia student with 106,000 followers, as a matter of fact, that was apprehended.
On Wednesday, almost a year after DHS issues took mom with call from his residency, Columbia
students rallied on campus to demand the school protect them from ICE.
Hours later, DHS took another student from a Columbia residential building.
And Ellie Agaiva, the Columbia student detained by ICE this morning has been released and
just posted this on our Instagram, comes after New York City Mayor's arm and not express
his concern on the arrest to Donald Trump in a meeting just earlier.
She said, hi guys, I am so grateful.
everyone of you. I just got out a little while ago. I'm saving. Okay. I'm an Uber on the
way back home. I'm so sorry, but I'm in complete shock over what happened and my phone is blowing
up with calls from reporters need a little bit of time to process everything, but I will
come back soon. But please don't worry. I love you all.
Ozzy, right? Yeah, Almena, I have a
they got a dame influencer. Yeah, I mean, that's probably part of the reason why she probably was on some lists.
If you attract any attention whatsoever to like any of these like canary mission style operations, the issues will come and grab you. It's very clear. It's fucking insane.
Yes, this is the Columbia student that was nabbed on a Wednesday. Okay.
Fucking insane.
So,
Jeffrey Epstein is, what from, okay.
We'll talk about that.
We'll talk about that after in a little bit.
Let's get back to the Jeffrey Epstein situation.
And as we point out, this all went down
this whole back and forth 11 years after he was.
And after the Miami Herald.
Miami Herald's investigative series,
which was in the November of 2018.
Right, so all of this then is known.
There were meetings, there were attempts to meet as well
that you've unveiled here.
What do the records show?
Well, Aaron, that's right.
The messages suggest this was not their first contact.
Emails from September 2018,
while Brian was campaigning for governor,
show a coordinating a meeting between Brian and Epstein
at Epstein's financial firm in the Virgin Islands
in April 2019, as this dispute was unfolding.
Epstein texted Brian right there.
He says, can you spare 15 minutes
to which Brian replied for you?
Absolutely.
Epstein and Brian then coordinated the meeting.
It would appear to be the office of Epstein's long time,
Virgin Islands tax attorney.
There are also emails referencing additional meetings
and phone calls, including, again,
outreach through his longtime Virgin Islands attorney.
So the documents show an ongoing line of communication,
both during Brian's campaign and later,
as Epstein was dealing with the regulators.
Now, we reached out to Brian and his spokespeople
many, many times over the past five days,
and we did not hear back from any of them.
All right, and of course, you'll let us know if you do.
It is amazing, though, all of this every day,
new information coming out, digging through these files.
And I say that in the context of, you know,
where weeks pass, this stuff coming out.
We're getting more every day, even so.
And Roe Conn said on this show last night
that we only have, he said,
half of the documents that are out there
and the half we don't have, he says, is the bad half.
Think about that.
Breaking news regarding those apparent missing Epstein files
related to President Trump.
I wanna bring in CNN correspondent Karis Kanell.
Kara, you just got this update
from the Justice Department, what are they saying?
Yeah, Casey, as you'll remember,
CNN and other news outlets had reported
that there appeared to be about 9,302s.
Those are the FBI interviews with witness reports
missing from the Epstein files that are publicly available,
all coming from a privilege log that was turned over
to Epstein's accomplice, Colleen Maxwell's attorneys.
Three of those 302s that appear to be missing
relate to a woman who claimed that she was sexually assaulted
by Jeffrey Epstein and said that she was sexually assaulted
by Donald Trump in the 1980s.
Initially, DOJ said that the documents
were either not posted because they were duplicative,
they were privileged,
or they were part of an ongoing investigation.
We just got a new statement from the Justice Department
where they say,
as the Department of Justice has consistently said
and has done since the January 30th,
2026 publication of the Epstein files,
if any member of the public,
including victims reported concerns
with information in the pages,
the department would review, make any corrections
and republish online.
Several individuals and news outlets
have recently flagged files
related to documents produced to Galen Maxwell
in discovery of her criminal case
that they claim appear to be missing.
As with all documents that have been flagged by the public,
the department is currently reviewing files
within that category of the production.
Should any document be found to have been improperly tagged
in the review process and is responsive to the act,
the department will of course publish it
consistent with the law.
So now DOJ saying it is going to review this trial.
I got some negative videos on YouTube feed
by this creator, Austin ox, but on Twitter, he supports you, Lamal. This is a 10 month
subscriber chatter. That's one of my editors. Austin ox, are you in here? You see this shit?
This motherfucker has not let up.
Osinox has led to some of my most pivotal cancellations on Twitter for years and years.
He was there at the inception point of the fuck Hassan content and commentary.
It's because you eat animals, I know.
It's so funny.
Asinox doing God's work. No, man. No, I have to literally tell him to stop
It's just that I had to straight up tell him to stop tell him to watch Azan you for some enlightening stuff I
The literally be like bro, you want you don't understand like people don't people can't recognize when you're joking
They use it like all my fucking ops are using the shit that you're like the shit that this community is memeing on
on to destroy my life.
A bunch of records that CNN and others
have been able to identify based on the serial number,
so it shouldn't be difficult for them
to locate them in theory,
and so that they will review them
and then publish them if it is complying with the act.
So we will wait to see what hits those public records
in the next couple hours and days, Casey.
All right, fair enough.
Kara Skinnell, thanks very much for that reporting.
Sotji Hinojosa, you were kind of nodding along with Kara
just because you worked at the Department of Justice.
I think you have an understanding of what this is.
I mean, she did a good job of laying it out.
But I mean, why do we know these are there?
What does it say that they're missing?
Well, it essentially is saying that there
are these FBI files, that they're normally
interviews of witnesses, et cetera,
that I'm assuming are potentially
in other places within the FBI, et cetera.
What I will say is that this entire thing,
and the fact that they're missing of these documents,
just shows how the Justice Department was not
prepared to do this and why the Justice Department does usually does not put out their case files
for the reason that case files live everywhere. They don't just live at the FBI. They're at
the U. S. Attorney's Office, multiple U. S. Attorney's offices, National Security Division,
DEA, I mean, all of these places. And so when you say I want every file on X issue,
what ends up happening is that you are trusting all of these entities to come together and to
give you those files. Yes, things will be missing. There are people in the National
Security Division that are looking through each one of these files. There is human error.
There are things like that. So what you're seeing right now, what we've seen over the last few weeks
is sort of this chaos and what happens because the Justice Department normally does not do this.
Yeah, but in this case, I mean, the reason my understanding of our reporting is that
this was a manifest that was given to Ghislaine Maxwell's attorney. So they should have known
that it existed. Yes, and they should have known. You're exactly right. I think that there will be
questions about why was it missing, who left it out, why was it at some point taken out of the
original tranche, and where did it originate from in the first place. So yes, there are those
questions, but it also goes to show you that there isn't someone in there looking at each of these
files to figure out whether or not that they have any public, they're in compliance with the law,
and also in every one of these instances. I will say how long have we been talking about this?
if they would have released all of these files at once when they were supposed to be released,
we wouldn't be talking about this past January. It doesn't have to be a special master.
That's not true. I think there should have been a dependent person.
No, you wish. You're out of your dang mind. Oh yeah, it's really tough to release all of these
files at once. There's of course going to be a lot of duplicates and each individual agency
is redacting different aspects of it, but also if we were to release them all at once, everyone
would have stopped talking about it. That's bullshit. Okay. That's bullshit. It probably would
have softened the blow a little bit, or it would have made the pain worse initially. Okay. It would
have made the pain worse initially. There would have been a lot of conversations about it, but
then slowly we're sure that people would go through the files and would most likely come to the same
conclusions that people are coming to right now in real time, because the incidents took
place, the crimes took place, the connections are still very real, and the people that were
deeply connected to the Jeffrey Epstein are still very much a part of elite society, okay?
So I think people's resentment, people's animosity, people's anger would not have gone away.
Did the Trump administration, with their slow rolling of the documentation, with their heavy
every redactions actually make it worse?
Sure.
But the idea that you can chalk this up to,
the idea that you can chalk this up to like disorganization
and that's the reason why there's a bigger story here
is bullshit when, like there still would have been
a lot of attention on this stuff.
There was a lot of attention on this stuff
before the documents were released.
Right, they sort of dealt with this.
Yeah, an independent person who could have dealt with this.
Chuck, I wanna go back to the point you were making
before the break, which is this idea of the Epstein class.
Because that really is the thing that has stuck out to me,
as we have learned more and more about this.
Something that started in the realm
where everybody wanted to call it a conspiracy theory, right?
Both Democrats and Republicans that I talked to in this town
would say that it was a conspiracy theory.
There were people in the MAGA base for President Trump
that really wanted these files out.
His vice president was one of the loudest.
And they still do.
This is the one area where the base is at Oz
with the administration and that's precisely the reason why the administration had to lean
into it and reveal it and of course because they're so fucking incompetent when they inevitably
gave in, when they inevitably caved, they did not realize that the reaction would continue.
They did not realize that the scrutiny would only, would only increase and, and here we
are.
I mean, it's not going to go away.
kept saying over and over again, this story is not fucking going away.
Cause if you recall initially, there were a lot of people in my audience that were
like, I don't know, this is a cult, uh, which is perfectly reasonable for you to,
I mean, it is a cult, right?
It's perfectly reasonable for you to come to that assessment, come to that
conclusion and be like, this is a cult.
I don't think they're going to care too much, but no, they do, they do.
It is the purest expression of, of, uh, class warfare that like it is the purest.
Um, like it's the closest that I think us Americans have ever arrived at like a like
an understanding of class because this is the maximum worst possible thing that billionaires
can do and get away with and they clearly got away with it.
So no matter how right-wing you are, no matter how much you believe that like, you know,
billionaires are actually trying to do well and trying to do right by everybody and it's
an aspirational goal.
No one is thinking it's an aspirational goal to be a part of an international sex trafficking
of minors ring, right?
And that's it.
So no matter how much these guys like suck up to the super wealthy and say their jobs
creators and cope and whatever, ultimately they don't like with the exception of a couple
incels and groipers and people like that.
Most people look at the situation and go, this is gross.
is disgusting, we need truth.
We don't care if it actually ends up
harming people on our side of the political spectrum.
Voices on this.
And they come into office.
They're somehow not interested.
The president is literally calling members of Congress
into the situation room to convince them not to write,
not to vote for a law, that will ultimately release these files.
Then we get the files.
And it turns out that everybody that said these files showed
something that really stank, we're right.
They were all right.
And for the president of the United States and his base,
who are still saying that this is a problem for them,
how does he keep going the way he's going in his relationship,
regardless of whether or not he ever actually
did anything wrong?
We're not saying we saw something that's in the files.
It says Donald Trump committed a crime, et cetera,
et cetera, to Scott's point.
There's whistle blowing in there.
But for his base that is saying, give us the Epstein class.
And he doesn't.
What problem does that create for him?
Well, I think it does create some problem with some parts
of his base when they feel let down about another issue.
It's sort of like over time that gets away.
It becomes a trust thing.
But let me also step back.
There was a lot of people that believed
a lot of strange things about Epstein.
And so the craziest conspiracies have proven not to be true.
But that doesn't mean what was done was not bad.
Right?
But I'm telling you, really?
Is that what that, is that your takeaway?
The craziest elements of the Epstein conspiracy
have been proven not to be true?
Is that, that was your takeaway?
What are some of the craziest, like,
I don't know, eating babies?
sure. Okay, some people believe that like Tom Hanks was eating children. Okay, that's not true.
Fine. But that's a very vague generalization here. If you're saying that international
capital was deeply embedded and entrenched in an international sex trafficking ring led by a CIA
and possible Mossad agent that was trafficking weapons and destabilizing countries and selling
Israeli surveillance to other countries and selling American surveillance like Palantir to Israel. All of that is 100% true.
And if you look at it broadly, I would go so far as to say Cassie Hunt's analysis on this is correct and yours is wrong.
Cuck Todd.
That yes, this actually did vindicate a lot of fucking conspiracy theories.
If anything, it frustrates me endlessly whenever people come in and they hyper-focus on Pizzagate
and how this actually vindicates the Pizzagators and shit like that.
It's not true.
It's the exact opposite.
But there are plenty of elements here that are real.
It turned, and I think that this is why this has been a difficult, why you've seen everybody
handle this.
It's not what people rumored and feared that it was.
Your analysis often misses at the point that the base only wants these files out of its
back for the other political side.
This is team sports like always.
I don't think that's entirely correct.
I don't think that's entirely correct.
But even if people have that as a motivator, then great, because guess what?
It still reveals information.
But this is a bipartisan effort between Thomas Massey and Ro Khanna.
They were the champions of this revelation.
And guess what?
And the aftermath of that, there have been people who have received more scrutiny than
they ever did before in their lives.
And we have this information at our disposal now.
It's a good thing.
It's a good thing that regardless of the motivation, it's kind of like the WikiLeaks stuff, right?
People will be like, oh, Julian Assange hates Hillary Clinton.
Julian Assange worked with FSB in and only released the files that they had on the DNC.
They never released the files that they had on the RNC and if you recall at the time,
if you were in here back then I said, I don't give a shit, right?
I don't care that like this was a partisan initiative because at the end of the day,
those conversations of the DNC were happening.
Those are real communicates that we now have access to as a direct consequence of Julian
Nassan's brave work at WikiLeaks, okay?
It doesn't matter if it's like done in a partisan manner.
Don't you want to know the truth?
And the same goes for this case at all as well.
You got Democrats that want Republicans
to be tarred and feathered, great.
And you have Republicans that think elite Democrats
are going to be the only ones
that are held responsible.
That's also great, fantastic.
It doesn't matter to us.
If you care about the truth, then use this moment to your advantage.
And also, I don't even think that what you're saying is all that correct there are.
I mean, the other day, there was a Trump supporter that tried, that just, there was a Trump supporter
who was 21 years old from North Carolina that went to a fucking Walmart, perched the
shotgun in a gas canister, and walked up to Mar-a-Lago, got shot and killed by Secret
Service.
That's a Trump supporter.
Now, obviously, I'm not urging people to do that. That would be fucking insane. But what
I'm trying to say is a Trump supporter did see that and clearly didn't have that partisan
approach, okay?
There are a lot more Trump supporters. There are a lot more Trump supporters out there,
I think, that see this as a bipartisan incident, and that reflects the data as well for the
record. Here it is. Americans believe the Epstein file shows that the powerful get-a-pass
Reuters-Ipsos poll finds, among all adults, 69% strongly agree that the Jeffrey Epstein
file show that powerful people are rarely held accountable. This is why I said this
is the purest expression of class.
Purest expression of class you can ever arrive at
where you have somewhat agree at 17%,
strongly agree at 69%, and disagree at 11%.
Do you understand how crazy that is?
Even among Republicans, 58% say they strongly agree
that the Epstein files show, prove,
that powerful people are rarely held accountable
and 28% somewhat agree, even among Republicans, I'm sorry, this is something that transcends
party lines. You can say part of the reason why is because conservatives oftentimes trafficked
in conspiracy and the realm of conspiracy turns out some of those conspiracies were
real and it wasn't a fucking conspiracy theory at all. But ultimately, this is the reason.
This is the reason why I say this is something that is totally non-partisan.
You're Republican, you're a Democrat, it doesn't matter, you see all of these, you see all
of these super wealthy people running around and play in pate case with Jeffrey Epstein.
And it's impossible for you not to recognize that there's something beyond partisan affiliation
here at play.
class issue. The files of Lord my trust in political and business leaders is
another important one where 53% of all adults say strongly agree and 24%
somewhat agree. Amongst Republicans, 33% say they strongly agree that the Epstein
files of Lord their trust in political and business leaders and 35% say they
somewhat agree that the Epstein files revelations have lowered their trust in
political and business leaders, that's huge, okay?
The hardest part of this would be to decouple the mega base from Trump directly
by consistently hammering on the point that Donald Trump was a primary recipient.
Was a primary co-conspirator, was a friend to Jeffrey Epstein.
They don't wanna see that reality and that's fine.
As long as, I mean, it's not fine, but you work with what you have, right?
This is why I kept saying over and over again that this is one, not going to fucking go away regardless of what you think, and two, that this is a unique opportunity to actually keep hammering on the point that this is an issue that transcends partisan lines and this is a class issue.
How do you think the powerful are unaccountable but not have that fact lower your trust?
You think that there are some business elites that you still believe are trustworthy, I
I guess, that you think are not embroiled in controversy.
Embroiled?
Sorry.
Accidentally said, embroiled.
Um, um,
Epstein is the America with literal fingers to King's landing. Sure.
I'm ESL. I'm ESL. But bevel it. But bevel it. But bevel it. I'm ESL. What's Nick Shirley's fucking excuse.
All right. Um,
New round of talks this morning could be the last. We're going to, we're going to move on to some other stuff here as well.
Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, as unreal as this sounds, Mike and myself are making, breaking the last
connection news. What? I don't know what that means, but okay.
Mason distrust in elites is why conspiracy theories replace reliable experts with charlatans.
No, for sure. For sure. But just as the democratization of media in the form of independent media has
created people like myself has given an opportunity to people like myself to be able to develop
audiences and talk about issues that were previously never discussed in mainstream news, whether
that be a socialist perspective, whether that be an anti-imperialist perspective, whether
that be a perspective that actually is overtly anti-Zionist? Okay. It is also obviously opened
up a faucet of misinformation, disinformation from charlatans, from people who actually take
advantage of this unique media landscape. One of those people, of course, is Tyler Olavera.
Tyler Olavera, as you guys know, has been a pretty aggressive peddler of racialized agitative
propaganda, slobberganda, whatever you want to call it. He's gone after Haitians claiming
that they eat cats and dogs. He was actually a four, he played a formative role in that
disinformation environment during the election cycle. Everybody loved him when he did that.
Nick Shitley is, is, is following his methods. And as you guys know, Nick Shirley played a
big role in the Somalian fraud story, Somali fraud story that they call Somalian fraud story.
and the republicans loved him a lot of conservatives
who are also jewish uh... were big fans of all of the
the uh...
toxic
uh... repulsive ideology that these guys are presenting this white
supremacist stuff that they were
uh... putting out there
they loved them they love these guys when they were investigating Haitians
eating cats and dogs or some all these doing fraud but now they go after jewish
enclaves with the same substandard racial agit prop and everyone that
matured them on or losing their fucking minds.
I wonder why.
And it's very funny to see people like Joel M Pelton.
I mistakenly believe that Nick Shirley and Tyler Olivera were very different because
Nick was exposing alleged fraud and Tyler was just harassing American Jews with large
families legally eligible for benefits.
If you can't tell the difference between fraud and harassment then you just expose yourself
to be an anti-Semite.
I was wrong.
Shame on both of you.
I never thought the lepers would eat my face.
A lot of these guys don't understand.
Boomer conservatives, especially of the evangelical Christian Zionist variety, are Philo-Semites.
Okay, they're Philo-Semitic, and they're first and foremost, even if they're anti-Semitic,
primarily focused on defending Israel.
Okay?
Zoomer conservatives, on the other hand, are Hitler youth.
they have decided that Jews are no longer a part of the white in-group, okay? It's that simple.
This is the major driving force, the major fissure in the Republican party right now. Tyler
Olavera has decided to move in that direction, in the Gen Z direction, where Jews are no longer
a part of the white in-group. They're also on the chopping block. And as a matter of fact,
if he goes by the old tradition of fascists, he will probably tie this back to a conspiracy,
a grand Jewish conspiracy, because these guys all believe in the great replacement, right?
The idea that these cultural forces are, these elite liberal cultural forces are actually bringing
in unlimited third world migration into the United States of America in an effort to destabilize
the superior western civilization. Many people believe it. It's actually trafficked by famous
conservative Jews such as Mark Levin. Mark Levin was formative in Nicolas Fuentes' development.
Nicolas Fuentes himself has revealed that he learned about the great replacement from listening
to fucking Mark Levin. Okay? Just remember that. The reason why I'm bringing it up is because
the original great replacement theory was concocted by Nazis. And the Nazis kept saying over and over
again that this replacement was happening, this liberal degeneracy, this moral rot that was
destroying Western civilization was actually carefully conducted by the international jury.
A lot of conservatives thought that they could get away with the subtle or not so subtle
anti-semitic conspiracy trafficking without having this ever impact American Jews in any
meaningful capacity, or more importantly than American Jews, it would never impact Israel.
Now that it's actually impacting Israel, now it's a major fucking problem.
Okay, because these guys do not care for the record about anti-Semitism growing in the country because they also understand what we understand,
which is that there is no systematic exclusion of Jews in the United States of America and in contemporary society in the same way that it exists in, like,
the criminal justice system for black people, for brown people, for Muslims.
Uh, the, the systematic discrimination does not exist for, uh, Jews in the United States of America right now.
It did in the past and it might in the future, but for the time being, it doesn't exist there.
That doesn't mean that anti-Semitism doesn't exist. Of course, anti-Semitism exists.
Anti-Semitism, uh, will, will still, uh, anti-Semitism, uh, happens all the fucking time.
discrimination against Jews at the personal level happens all the fucking time, right?
But as far as a comparison between like anti-blackness that is deeply embedded in American society
that that has never
That we've never reckoned with that we've never actually
Solved at all that we refuse to even ex- acknowledge
as an existing force in American society or Islamophobia in the way that it exists right
now.
It's not, it's institutional for these other forms of discrimination, but for anti-Semitism
it is not institutional.
For the time being, once again, I repeat, for the time being it is not institutional.
That doesn't mean it might not become institutional again.
If the Republicans decide Jews are now written out of the equation, then it will go back
to the systemic enforcement.
It will turn into systemic discrimination.
Okay?
That is the main story that is taking place within the Republican Party.
Young Republicans that are, young Republicans that have an appetite for unlimited edgelordism,
unlimited nihilism, have realized that, you know, perhaps Jews are also not a part of
the white ingru. Perhaps Jews as a monolithic force have led to the great replacement theories
going back to the old fascist propaganda, the anti-Semitic version of fascism. Okay?
But while these guys were targeting Muslims and black people and brown people, everybody
loved it.
Now that they're targeting Jews, the conservative movement is very frustrated.
The reason why they're frustrated is not even because they all unilaterally care about
anti-Semitism, but they are fearful that this will actually break apart the last unlimited
support for Israel crowd.
If the young generation of Republicans are anti-Semitic and also anti-Israel, okay,
then it's over for Israel because the Democratic Party is already out, right?
They're not anti-Semitic, but they're anti-Israel, especially on the Democratic side, on the Democratic
Party side.
And it's ironic that a lot of these conversations about like, you know, demands of censorship
and the Republicans actually leaning in to Nick Shirley and Tyler Olavera that then
turn around and pounce on them is also feeding into the anti-Semitic conspiracies that Jews
control the media. This is literally feeding into it because people see it. Reactionary people look
at it and go, why can't I fucking make fun of the Jews? What is this about? Like, I thought it was,
you know, no holds barred. I thought we could make fun of everybody. And people on the left also see
it. Liberals also see it as well. Dems are anti-Israel right now. Hell no, it's just a few Dems. No,
my friend, I'm not talking about politicians. I'm talking about self-identifying liberals,
self-identifying Democratic Party voters. The issue of Israel in the base of the Democratic Party
is an 80-20 issue. 80% are in favor of moving away from Israel. 20% still want to continue
relationship with Israel in the same ways, or even, you know, have deeper commitments to the
state of Israel. The voters are not on Israel's side. The voters broadly in America are not on
Israel's side. Okay?
This is what Nico had to say. Nick Shirley makes a video about Somali daycares gets pushed
by the entire Peter Thiel, Maga, Cabal, Elon, JD Vance, Rumble, all glazing benevolently.
Tyler Olavera exposes our Jews in Jersey scam taxpayers harass, go ahead and have their
own police hospitals. No one says a word. Now, my position on this for those of you
who don't know, or if you are, uh, you know, oblivious to my position on this is that has
their fraud? Has fraud existed in Minnesota with Somali people engaging in this fraud?
Absolutely. Is there a proper way to investigate this? Yes. Has that investigation taken place?
Also yes. But what Nick Shirley engaged in wasn't a proper investigation whatsoever,
right? Yes, I said, has there fraud? You got me, okay?
What they were doing was taking advantage of an existing court case, an existing investigation,
and hours and hours of investigative reporting to do bottom of the barrel racialized propaganda
to claim that every single Somali that runs a business is actually engaging in fraud.
Okay?
And everybody loved it when they did this.
The same goes for enclaves of Hasidic Jews.
If you recall, when Tyler Olavera did his initial piece on the Orthodox Jewish community
in New York City, I talked about pre-existing investigative reporting on the ways in which
the Orthodox community takes federal funds or city-wide funds and refuses to engage in
like proper educational initiatives, right?
This is like a real ongoing thing.
Does this mean that like, you know, Jews are engaging in this mass conspiracy to defraud
the government?
No, of course not, okay?
But the way that these people presented, the way that these people present this information
leaning into, leaning into pre-existing investigation that have been conducted is by taking it and
broadly saying like everyone's doing it. Okay? Everyone's doing it. Did you watch this video?
I didn't, but I'm very familiar with Lakewood or Lakeview. Is it Lakeview? Lakewood?
The Orthodox community in Jersey. I'm familiar with that. I'm familiar with the Orthodox community
in New York. It's just ironic that Nick Shirley also did pro-Israel propaganda only a year ago,
and now they're calling him anti-semitic for responding to Tyler Olavera, Lakewood, New Jersey.
Sorry, not Lakeview. But yeah, this all stems from unleashing these right-wing forces that
trafficking conspiracies that constantly actually engage in like ethnic
uh... divisions constantly
uh... constantly present
entire ethnicities non-white ethnicities as as though they are uh...
a parasitic force this
in uh... the united states of america and now that uh... enmity being directed
at uh... jewish communities
this is lakewood new jersey of the largest orthodox jewish communities
How long did the families out here?
Anywhere from 6 to 12 children.
This is probably 99.9% religious.
Basically, this community is allowed to police themselves.
Yeah, the trashcans, we have a problem now,
and Jackson with rats, which we've never had before.
They don't want to live amongst us, they don't want to live with us,
they just want to live and not have us be part of their lives.
I don't think it was nice how you portrayed the Jewish people.
Are we talking about curious soil?
Yes.
When you came to curious soil, what was the agenda?
There was no agenda, I know what I'd even find.
But there was still an agenda in mind.
There's a reason why you came down from Curious Joe, right?
Just trying to learn what do you actually think I got wrong about.
I just think there was an agenda.
What? Hello?
Alright, let's watch for what the strategy is.
How you doing?
I am in a soup.
That Honk was promised to him.
His kids and theirs doing that.
We were trying to escape from the Jews honking at us from all directions.
Turns out, I had summoned the Shamrim Police, the Jewish community's internal police force.
I'm gonna call the cops. I'm gonna say a hundred if you call us about here already.
What are they calling about?
People are trying to go to the choir.
Got a concern saying that if you walk up to people, ask them questions, stuff like that.
Luckily, this is America, and that's the First Amendment, right?
That's it, we're just gonna fire around and we fire up right now, and they can pay them half a pump to you.
Is that blue jacket asshole bastard doing his best to vibe with the anti-Semitic crowd?
crowd. Anyway, um, so the video, the video is already sitting at like an hour long. It's
already sitting at 2.2 million views. And the video literally got his, um, the video
got his, uh, Patreon ban.
That's all I live in New Jersey. I'm very active in the political sphere here. I'm sorry to
say that they are in fact defrauding the state. You haven't been here in quite some time,
but Lakewood public schools are about to close because the loopholes that took advantage
of on top of using their religions top all over the pine lands protection. Please don't
be easy on them. They're, we're, uh, we're fighting so hard. No, no, no, dude. I don't
think, I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying there isn't fraud in Lakewood.
Okay. Yes. I lived in New Jersey. I know just like there is not only fraud, but also a lot
of mismanagement of funds in general, and a litany of other issues in Kyrgyz, Joel,
in New York, okay?
I know.
The problem is, just like with the fraud that took place in Minnesota, one thing can be
real, and then you can still use a real thing to basically engage in racialized agitative
propaganda.
My problem is not that this is like a real-
My problem is not that there aren't issues and this guy is just like presenting it as
such.
Like, for example, there's a difference between what Tyler Oliver did in Springfield, Ohio.
Right?
Haitians were not eating fucking cats and dogs in Springfield, Ohio.
That's just an abject lie.
He went in to Springfield, Ohio with a mission to make it seem like the residents were very
scared of the Haitian migration happening in Springfield, Ohio when that wasn't actually
the fucking case at all. That's different than, for example, going to Minnesota and like
doing an actual investigation into whether or not there was fraud taking place.
There was fraud taking place in Minnesota. It was led by a white lady, but of course,
the main co-conspirators, the majority of the co-conspirators were from the Somali community,
okay? But that doesn't mean all Somalis were engaging in fraud. All Somali businesses are
actually fraudulent. You see what I'm saying? The problem that I have with these kinds of
outraged merchants is that they come in and they take like, they lean into one true component of
a story and instead of doing their due diligence and properly investigating it and uncovering
something that people might not have known or maybe even raising awareness on it, they take a broad
stroke to disparage an entire religion, a group of people from an entire religion. That's the
fucking, that's the issue that I take with this kind of racialized agitative slobaganda.
You're a Somali scammer that should be deported.
if you cannot comprehend that this kind of racialized agitative slobber ganda was, was,
uh, you know concocted in a way to drive suspicion to all Jews in general. I don't know what to
tell you. Ben Lorber writes, the last time anti-Haredi scapegoating was prominent in the
online MAGAverse was during early COVID days when Haredi enclaves were cast as viral spreaders.
Back then I noted in Haritz the parallels to Islamophobia in both cases, a non-Christian community
demonizes backwards insular fanatical invaders today. It seems some MAGA influencers sensing an
opening to revive this anti-harmonic discourse amidst rising right-wing anti-Semitism spurred
on by America vs. Israel skepticism.
So I want to explain a technique here, okay?
I want to explain a technique that the Republican right, the reactionary right, uses very expertly.
They open the door to a broader conversation all the time by hyper-focusing on edge cases.
Okay?
Okay?
They do this with transphobia.
They open the conversation with transgender athletes
in high school, transgender athletes
and engaging in high school sports, high school athletics.
You open the conversation with that
and it's already like an unpopular issue
or it's an issue that like there's a lot of scrutiny around.
It ties together a bunch of different focuses
for broader majorities in American public.
And then once that conversation starts,
you slowly but surely move up the ranks.
You go from transgender athletes in high school
to transgender athletes in college,
transgender athletes in the Olympics.
You move into transgender people using the proper bathrooms
proper bathrooms, and then you move away from that and you move to any sort of like gender
confirmation surgeries, HRT, you slowly but surely start moving into a direction where
like all trans existence in public is outright banished, and you make it virtually impossible
for people to get the proper medical procedures that they need to live as who they are.
And the same thing goes for all different marginalized communities where you move the
overturned window.
You start by talking about real fraud that takes place, sometimes in already communities.
But the ways in which you move on from that conversation is to basically boil the frog
Slowly but surely you say like see this is how Jews are see the Jews came after me. They took my
They took my account away. This wasn't a problem when I did it for the Somalis, but now it's a big problem
It's a big issue. It's a fairly sophisticated way of of doing
agitate racialized agitative
Sloppy ganda
Okay.
Wall Street Journal has reported that Iran rejected U.S.'s demands on Farsi networks
into Middle East as down.
Oh, shit.
It might be beginning.
I thought that they would wait until market closed, but who knows?
Testing the waters, but it's unclear to me if the larger MAGAverse will pick up on it
as it doesn't seem politically useful right now, as say Somali invasion narratives, which
These same figures helped popularize in 2024 regardless of the reminder than the Christian nationalists USA no religious cultural minorities
Insulated from the scapegoating even those who tend to be culturally conservative and MAGA aligned. Yeah
Bro market closed an hour ago, no market closed on Friday is what I thought they would do
How do you combat people calling your reasoning a slippery slope argument of fallacy?
I understand that the situation is different than most other times that fallacies brought up, but I'm not sure how to word it
And because it's not a fucking slippery slope, it's a very clearly designed propaganda apparatus
that they, if you read into it, you realize is it commonly utilized.
I just gave you an example with trans athletes.
That was a hundred million dollar initiative created by a lot of right-wing Christian advocacy
groups when they lost the conversation in the lead up to the 2016 election with Donald
Trump coming out and being like, I'm pro-trans, I don't give a shit, LGBTQ for Trump.
And they lost that conversation in North Carolina with a bathroom bill.
They went back to the drawing board and looked for better ways to reopen anti-trans attacks.
The New York Times actually has a really good piece on this if you want to go and read the
deep dive.
But that's precisely what's happening here with Jews as well.
Whether Jews are going to continue being considered a part of the white in-group, is America
going to continue being called a Judeo-Christian country with Judeo-Christian values or not?
If you recall, I told you guys in the aftermath of October 7, there were plenty of people
who kept repeating that over and over again. I said America, America being a Judeo-Christian
nation is a relatively new phenomena. This is not a real thing. This is like neocons were
really leaning into it, but that's not, that's not how it used to be in this country.
That's not how it used to be in this country at all.
But yeah, Laura Loomer is also losing her fucking mind on it.
As I said before, the GOP has a massive Nazi problem.
Nick Shirley responds to her, but yeah, oh, I pissed off the little wannabe neo-Nazi toddler.
Weren't you just in India attacking Indians by calling them shit slingers so you hate
Jews and you hate Indians. Did you know, turn across this out pouches made in India are really
going to let them sponsor you. You're such a fraud. So, you know, this, this kind of,
this kind of sentiment is, is not going to work. If your entire reactionary movement is about being
against woke, right? Like these guys that are in the Groyper right also fucking hate Indians too.
You can't just like turn around and be woke now about Jewish people Laura. It's just like that's not how it works
You played a formative role in
Pushing this cultural force this reactionary cultural force and now it's coming after you the leopards are eating your fucking face
Asmongold replies and says did you watch the India video?
It's one of the most positive genuine videos about a native tradition that I've seen personally
I think embracing the culture shock of it is more humanizing than pretending
They are just like we are one of Tyler's best videos in my opinion
Now I don't think Laura Loomer is ever gonna become a fucking woke ally by the way, I don't think that's gonna happen at all
Maybe she's a reactionary monster. She's courted fascist over and over again. She is a fascist
She's a Zionist fascist and for the longest time this allegiance was fine, right?
But now this allegiance is on shaky ground.
And it's not just conservative boomer Jews that are feeling the heat.
There are a lot of conservative boomers who are frustrated and worried because this this wave of anti-semitism amongst the younger conservative movement
Are are also
Going to inevitably demand that
America cut ties with Israel and these guys care about Israel first and foremost if that's their highest priority
majority, right? And that's the reason why they're coming out and speaking out against
the conspiratorial right. The very same people that were firmly committed to fomenting conspiracies
on the right are now coming out and suspiciously complaining about it. There's a reason for
it. Okay? And the reason is because they're worried that this will inevitably attack the
American interest in Israel. Of course, these guys will come after Hasidic Jews. The right
wing claim about migrants for years has been that they refuse to assimilate and reject
our country's values. They've targeted ethnic enclaves for years. It was always a fantasy
to believe that that wouldn't extend the Jewish communities, which are fairly insular. A lot
of anti immigrant libels literally originated from anti-Semitic tropes such as the rootless
Cosmopolitan. Exactly. Exactly. Um, this Pedro Gonzalez guy apparently used to be a fucking
reactionary, but he's now like woke. He's like, he got hit with the, with the libtard beam for some
reason, but I didn't even realize that he used to be a reactionary. I've only seen his like takes,
his good takes. He says, if you check the replies of this week, you'll see Trump supporters expressing
bewilderment and what people should ask them is, why are you surprised that a movement led by conspiracy
theorist ends up here. You can draw a line from this to the Springfield pet eating hoax
to the stolen election nonsense. That's why it will never stop. The movement is led by
conspiracy theorists who not only mainstream conspiracy theories in the politics, but also
showed people how to turn them into an industry. Every time Trump complains about fake news
and fake polls and stolen elections, it signals to others that you can just lie. You can just
make things up. You can just weave untruths. And if you do it with enough gusto, you will
be made into a right-wing celebrity, even be invited to the state of the union like
Nick Shirley, JD Vance will recommend you for a Pulitzer. That is how and why people like
Russell Brandon, Andrew Tate end up on that side. Why people like Tucker Carlson and Megan
Kelly are so at home there. And that is also why there is no fixing the new right. This
is a trend with no breaks built in by design.
Sammy Gold had a take on this from 11, 2025. We said the online ride made of a gentleman's
agreement that as an act of magapraxis, no racial stone was left to be unturned.
Slurs, epithets, eugenics, you name it, we're all acceptable now. The idea that it somehow wouldn't
branch off into anti-Semitism is laughable. Trumpism is, at a psychological level, enticing,
due to its being a primal scream of grievance, is why he beat 15 more established opponents
in the 2016 primary. He allowed his followers to be their worst selves. It's going to be hard
to tell them, actually, you have to stop here. It's not. It's not going to stop. Why would it stop?
You taught, you told your audience that you can go after anyone and everyone that is declared
non-white. This is literally what you always said. Exactly. I've been, I've been banging the drums on
this for years. And it's ironic that the same cultural forces that are Israel first came after
me so aggressively in the last two fucking years. And they still come after me all the time. They
They still say I'm like a fucking leader in the anti-Semitic movement because they're fucking stupid
My go back and listen to my Oxford speech I urge you it will be so fucking salient
Okay
It's prescient dude. I spoke about this
Extensively on my Oxford speech where I said listen you're trafficking in the realm of conspiracies
It's gonna come after you a lot of American Jews think that the the Israel conversation is where it was maybe 20 years ago
It's not there anymore people don't fuck with Israel anymore
And the more you associate yourself with Israel the more the average American that's not Jewish or hasn't like
Learned about what it what Israel means to them is going to look at you like you're a fucking
Muslim ISIS supporter
Okay
And ironically enough, there aren't a lot of Muslim ISIS supporters.
Muslims roundly fucking hate ISIS. ISIS kills Muslims.
And yet, the American media apparatus fomented Islamophobia by tying Islam to ISIS over and over again.
But you have American Jews tying themselves to the Jewish version of ISIS in the form of Israel,
Deliberately, openly, in broad daylight, over and over again, it's fucking insane.
Of course, people are going to look at that and go, what the fuck is this?
That's what it had. Where do you think this was going to go?
Like, I can't understand how people could not have just a fracture of the foresight necessary.
And yet, they still, nevertheless, continue coming after me, a person who has spent a
good deal of time basically weaving through anti-Semitic narratives and explaining to
people that, you know, anti-Semitism is a bigotry, an ancient form of bigotry that has always
been at the crosshairs of those in positions of power at times of need, whenever material
conditions get to a certain point where people are very angry and resentful, who do you blame?
blame the Jews. I've said this many, many times and now we're there. What is this? What?
Isis and Israel are not the same brain dead. Isis and Israel are not only partnered. They've
been partnered on numerous occasions. But yes, they are virtually identical. Zionism
is fascism. Zionism is racism. It has the same colonial exterminationist ambitions
and domination ambitions that ISIS had.
Israel and ISIS are virtually identical.
Not only are they directly aligned sometimes
with Israel offering material support,
logistical support to ISIS affiliate groups in Syria,
but thanks for highlighting me
and all you do, thanks for the combo.
Okay, I hope you understand where I'm coming from,
but Israel, Zionism ideologically,
is is is is identical to Isis.
What? I'm also disappointed in you a little bit because you didn't cover the
Indian vid that hate I received online after that vid is becoming insane. Wait
what? Yeah I'm sorry that I don't fucking cover every psychotic racial
propaganda that Tyler Olivaera engages in chatter what the fuck this man is done
thousands of videos I don't cover all of them it's fucking crazy to expect me to
cover all of his videos
you think I'm one of the only cultural forces that can combat bigotry on the
internet like that's crazy
Yes, Israel and ISIS are hardline fundamentalists on their basic policy positions are the same,
expansion, domination, exploitation, and murder of the outgroup at the behest of the in-group.
Richard Wolff says this all the time, you're right, people get angry at the people telling
them they're delusional it's going to continue to happen until it finally breaks the denial.
But yeah, let's take a look at some of the bits and pieces of this video.
You don't own this place, you don't own America.
Now you should move on, nobody wants your help, please move out.
Talos!
Talos!
What the f**k are you talking about?
I'm gonna have to sell my things and just look for them, huh?
So I have, I always thought that we should pay for their money
so why don't you move to a different country?
So if you want to go back to Israel, that'll be my question.
I don't think you'll be able to save me.
I would say 150 colts right here already.
What are they calling about?
People are trying to live a quiet life.
You two gentlemen?
I think one of the, one of the other, uh, annoying aspects of
Tyler Olivares coverage on shit like this is that it makes it much more difficult to have
a normal and reasonable conversation about like ongoing fraud. You know what I mean?
That's what's so fucking, that's also like frustrating for someone like myself,
because under normal circumstances, like you can have a real investigative report on,
on shit that takes place in Lakewood, right? Like, and there has happened in the past,
like, good journalists, sometimes even, like, my first interaction with, uh, what's his face,
who's at forward, um, uh, who, uh, is, uh, is, uh, uh, he's Orthodox himself. Um, and he has,
uh, Jacob Kornbluth. Thank you. My first interaction with Jacob Kornbluth,
was, when he was as a member of the Orthodox community in New York City, when he was basically
whistleblowing on the ways in which the Orthodox Jews were getting together and violating a
lot of the rules around COVID.
And they almost fucking killed his ass for that.
If you recall, if you were here during my COVID covers during like 2020, 2021, there
was a point where they like literally there was a there was a super right wing
maga Hasidic content creator like a radio shock jock that got like hundreds
of orthodox Jews in the streets to surround Jacob Korn blues apartment okay
it was crazy it was unlike anything I've ever seen before because of his
coverage. So like there is, there are real instances of fraud or real instances of like,
you know, dangerous, uh, violations of like, uh, healthcare, uh, restrictions that epidemiologists
have suggested, like this kind of shit happens. But if you look at it and go, yeah, well, you know,
there you go, Jews are fucking violating the rules again, or there you go, Jews are fucking
frotting the government again all of a sudden it turns into it goes away from a it turns from
a very real conversation that you could be having into one where it's just like it's it's just a
pure racialized animosity. I saw a video of you walking in the 136 hillside they asked
nothing about that. Amazing. You come back and you'll be a chess person.
You say anti-Semitism, I say anti-Goyazim. The Jewish community is extremely racist.
You have a group of people that call themselves God's people.
You are a semi-supremacist.
He almost has 12 kids.
Why can't I have 12 kids?
He pays for them.
You're arguing that I should pay for your kids.
I'm arguing that the government's after me.
My, that's our money.
I pay taxes.
Excuse me, sir.
What are you doing?
Will I call the cops on you?
We may be at a cruftel hole.
So what, what am I being pulled over for?
We gotta call.
Keep your hands on the steering wheel.
This is Lakewood, New Jersey.
home to one of the largest and fastest growing Orthodox Jewish communities in America, having
anywhere from six to ten kids per family, causing the community's rapid growth to spill into the
neighboring towns of Jackson, Tom's River, Brick, and Howell, causing non-Jewish residents to fear
that their town will soon be turned into little Jerusalem just like Lakewood.
The tactics within this community I would like in it to organize crime.
You were the vice chairman of the Israel Advisory Committee for Donald Trump in 2016.
How did you get a relationship with the White House?
Who in the White House?
I don't think I want to.
I think I don't want to say.
Who are we messing with right now, Chris?
Is this video a mistake, man?
I'm going to be honest.
The powers out here are pretty immense.
It's not about Jackson.
Jackson is a test case.
If it isn't squashed soon,
it's going to take over the entire country.
It's already a problem in all the surrounding towns.
You have billionaires from Lakewood being involved.
people connected to the president in the United States.
In New Jersey, is there room for a two-state solution?
No, there's clearly not. I think it's going to be a fight.
Like one of the most common ways in which like
Grapers initially used to do the whole like, oh they, they're, they hate the Goyim or whatever,
was, they would take like a, like a blurry camera footage of like a Cajonist sitting
around and being like, oh, the Goy cattle, like we're going to dominate the Goy cattle.
And they'd be like, this is whatever Jew believes.
And that's a very classic way to do racial agits, racial agit prop, right?
It's a very classic way to do it.
You look at like an edge case or like a fucking wild supremacist demon and then say, this
This is how the entire, this is how the entire fucking minority population believes, okay?
It's a classic example.
I mean, they do it, this is, if you're black, you're probably very aware of how this is
done, you know, if you're trans, you've seen it, you've experienced it.
This is what they're doing, but now they're doing it to Jews.
I am lived, they're not, they're no even there yet, but all these housing developments,
someone who they could turn it around.
We saw what happened in Lakewood itself.
There are a lot of other opportunities
if people want to take that jump
and become a shtickle pioneer.
As the Orthodox Jewish community
consolidated political power in Lakewood,
taking majority control of the township committee,
planning board, zoning board, and school board,
financially depleting the public school system
for non-Jewish kids, overwhelming local infrastructure,
turning a once quiet town into a densely populated,
over-trafficed Jewish enclave
prioritizing Jews over non-Jews.
Before I investigate the Jewish takeover of Lakewood
and of the nearby town of Jackson,
I first wanna visit the town where the blueprint was born,
Muncie, New York.
Someone like David Baden,
that saw the opportunity a few years ago,
he bought several 50 to 100 houses in Muncie.
I believe that he single-handedly, in a certain way,
turned around Muncie. These are opportunities that come up every once
in a while and someone has to step up to the plate.
My Monslandians know we're here. We all saw, we all saw.
When did you notice Muncie begin to form as a Hasidic Jewish enclave?
I would say 20 years ago, I saw the first.
You're on the cover of Teen Jogga Band.
I thought it was a joke. I didn't realize that you're literally doing teen jokabin.
That's crazy.
Start of it and then every year it just started to grow exponentially.
Hey, it's me. How are you? Stop what?
They on toddler. They on toddler.
the Jews here were not happy to see me after I asked how they afford 7 to 10 kids on a single
income and if they were on welfare in Curious Chowell.
How many kids do most people have out here?
17, 18.
How do they afford 17, 18 kids?
They are proud to do what the Torah says, that you need to be multiple and fruitful.
How do you afford to study the Torah though?
God, help me.
Does the American taxpayer help you too?
Oh, so yes.
How do people afford to have such big families out here?
What are you saying?
Are you Tyler?
I'm Tyler.
I'm trying to do another anti-Semitism video.
How did I spread anti-Semitism? That's crazy you said that.
Life's like a festive culture.
So this is their way of...
Listen, I know you're frustrated about what some of the things we focus on.
Is that what I'm...
Bro, this is literally like going to a fucking Mormon enclave.
enclave and just being like, well, you know how all Christians are.
You know what I mean?
Like that's that's what it is.
You know how Christians are getting up to their fucking Christian Christian
initiatives again.
So, give me some examples of how things were misconstrued, yeah, what did I get those wrong?
So it's not necessarily misconstrued, well it is misconstrued, there's a lot of it that's
uh, you'll cut a lot of it, cut out different words, make it sound a lot worse than it is.
There's a lot of people here that are on welfare, a lot of people in intersection 8, a lot of
people that are on a bunch of different uh, wake food stamps, stuff like that.
Sure.
low-income communities are going to see that they're all going to be on the
different welfare. Okay, so now we're on welfare. Yeah, no I'm going to deny that.
But again it's the way you say it, it's the way you twist it. How do I twist it?
I'm not twisting it, I'm twisting it's the wrong word. I just don't understand where you're coming from.
I'm throwing it up on the extreme.
The insufferable hug.
I see you say I misrepresent or and then they do that like come on.
I'm not saying they're all good people.
It's like, is there, wherever they go,
there's always gonna be the assholes wherever you go.
I totally...
What is this?
LA-based photojournalist has been trying to credit.
What is that?
The photojournalist to collect a photo
of downtown LA Shug is bummed out.
He didn't credit him.
Mine reaching out to him on IG.
Eric Anders, wait, what?
I thought I credit everyone.
Um, yeah, I'll fix it.
What is it, Eric Anders?
Which one was it?
Um,
Which photo was it? I don't even remember.
Did I credit the wrong photographer or something?
Wait, I'm confused.
This one? No, I did. I credited the photographer that took this photo. See?
We talk about this is confusing to me I cut out the photographer that took this photo
Am I missing something?
Is there a different one?
The sexy Clark Kent photo from your twitch comeback you probably did. Yes, that's not him. Oh, no, not this one
Someone please find the reddit Clark Kent one. It's not on your IG page. Wait, what?
Then fucking where is it? Like what do you mean?
Wait, um, it's not on your IG page
What
How can I how can I help that's the real question
question. Like what can I do to help out? I followed your friend on Instagram. But it
It wasn't my post. It was a Reddit post that went viral.
This photo? No, I don't think it's this photo.
Are they talking about this photo?
No, he's at the Clark Kent one.
I think I know what he's talking about.
But it's not here.
Like I didn't post it on my Instagram.
Yeah, it's this one.
I think he's talking about this one, right?
Here, I'll post it on my...
Seems this is his fifth photo.
I'll post it on my Instagram story.
How about that? Is that good? My, my, you know, I, I would hate to fucking post you without
properly crediting it. I don't know exactly where it is though. Hold on, I'm gonna try
to find it now. I liked it, but it's been a minute. So anyway, let's get back to the
video for the time being. Not a very W derail, but it's all good.
You talk about the community. It feels like you're trying to create an
that you did not find you found people that are on welfare that have a lot of
kids but your headlanded road welfare addicted Jews. What is your first
question I'm curious welfare dependent welfare reliant welfare addicted
what's the difference tell me they need it to survive and without it they die
what is the difference? It's addictive to bait to bait click that's an addiction
that's an addiction yeah okay are you addicted to being a victim or what? No.
Ligoyim where grateful someone was finally bringing up their town's issues.
What's the right? I'm showing you. Let's take over one of these people. Do you think they take the money?
Of course!
Bienvenidos a moncelad con mi amigo!
Dude, pinning other minority groups against one another, this has got it all.
This has got it all, baby. This is expertise in right-wing slop, right-wing racialized
I'll just go back to my slide.
My slide, I'll just go back to my slide again.
I'll just go back to my slide again.
I'll just go back to my slide again.
I'm looking at like,
looking at an edge case or systemic problems that exist in one community to say like all of these, all of the members of that marginalized background are engaging in it, creating plausible deniability.
It's got it all.
How do you like living here as a non Jew?
So, well, I don't like my sister because the aesthetics did they treat you as one of them
No, no on the same page. No, they don't bother me because I don't deal with them. Okay. There is a large-scale welfare fraud out here
Oh, yeah, yeah, it's a lot. They get away with everything. They get the section aid they get everything the
Free housing and you know, do you think most people work out here in the hot city community? No, how do they afford their bills?
I wish I knew I would do the same thing too
Oh, it's the same bro. It's the same method
It's the same fucking method
Get like the logos the shit on the group to say like this is a you know, everybody hates them all this shit
It's literally a one-to-one copy of the Somali thing, if not a more pervasive problem.
And what are your thoughts on the driving out here? I gotta ask you that. It's the most important
question. I don't want to talk about it. The driving is crazy. Okay. Because the stop sign over there,
they don't even stop. They just pass, you know, that's why so much traffic and accidents and it's
crazy. You saw the curious Joelle video. Why was that video good? That video was good because I've
I've been in East Ramapo for a long time.
I remember I also went to Spring Valley High School.
I went to, you know, I've been in the school system
and we've definitely seen a lot of things,
especially since our school board was majority,
private school owners, you know, mainly Jewish white men.
And most of our school was not Jewish.
And they had control over our public school system
over like the past 10 years, purposely voting no
under a school budget vote.
So that way we would fail.
And we lost about three, two schools.
Basically through block voting,
Orthodox Jews won enough seats to control
the East Ramapo school board
and went on to eliminate hundreds.
I'm losing it.
Bro.
Class issue presented as a racialized problem.
Once again, literally a pervasive problem
with private schooling in every fucking part of the country.
Every part of the country.
This is, this should be taught in schools
as a way to dilute class-related issues to very effectively turn it into some reactionary bullshit.
This is literally like, this video is the clearest example of anti-Semitism as the socialism of fools narrative.
Okay. It's incredible. It's incredible. It's like a perfect example of it.
It's mind boggling. This is also part of the reason why I fucking yell about anti-Semitism in
general. Okay, the Hasid's aren't acting this way because of class. No chatter
with your own personal involvement with Hasidic communities and your anger coming out here,
okay, that people probably don't know.
for people who say it's being anti-Semitic,
the, that chatter is, is Jewish.
The organizational principle or the sense of community
around Hasidic Jews is utterly immaterial,
because this problem persists in literally
every fucking American neighborhood where there are Christian schools as well.
My argument is
this is a pervasive problem in the United States of America, everywhere else.
Just because these guys have been able to organize around, you know, a community, organize
around like being Hasidic Jews in one neighborhood, doesn't change the fundamental problem here,
which is allowing private schools to suck up state subsidies and destroy public schools
in the fucking neighborhood.
You think this is just a Lakewood problem?
Fuck no.
A version of this exists everywhere.
of public school positions like teachers and social workers while approving millions of
taxpayer dollars to be spent on their children's religious private schools, ultimately gutting
the public school system for the estimated 9,000 black and brown public school students
while diverting that money to their private religious schools.
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kids in these communities
all by majority Jewish school board whose kids didn't even attend public school.
We believe that some of the decisions that have been made by the board have not been in the best interest of the public school community.
You don't like it? Find yourself another place to live.
What was your education?
My education, it was decent but it definitely could have been better if we had the resources that we were.
Bro, you think this guy gives a fuck about education, public education, let alone education
for black and brown children.
I'm sorry.
You are the biggest sucker on the planet.
No, he's just pitting one fucking marginalized community against, against Jews.
That's it.
That's it.
That's what he's doing.
That's it. That's what he's doing. Don't be a fucking idiot.
For the past 10, 15 years or so, people have been purposely voting no on our school budget vote.
So that way we had no funding and money for our school. And you know, that was done purposely.
And who was voting no?
Majority, the Jewish community.
You drive around here, you'll literally see signs saying vote no for our school budget.
Which I think is crazy.
Luckily, we were able to get a word system to be able to get three seats for, you know, the wars.
you know the wars but if it wasn't for that we still would be majority white
Jewish men voting for public school students that they don't care about.
Yeah and they purposely go out the way to isolate us.
Basically isolate it to the point where we feel like this isn't our home.
A lot of people like to say they're ducking taxes and all that.
There's truths and lies to that but I could only tell you that I've only seen the bad part.
The bad part is I've seen houses get broken down.
I've seen certain spaces, buildings get destroyed.
For, oh, let's just say for more closure, customs, you feel me?
So I want to thank you for showing our community.
I don't believe in hiding.
I believe we have a tremendous amount to be proud of.
And like every community, we're different.
We have bar goods, other communities have their posters.
Tell me about what are some of the best things about this community.
Tonight at sundown, we shut our phones, we shut our cars, we go to school.
The most beautiful part of our religion,
do you understand that orthodox Jews can be anywhere?
The sun is coming down and it's the last opportunity to pray what's called menchil, which is afternoon services
They could be in the most important meetings and they'll go pray and they could care less about anything happening the same things with Shabbos
We come home our families are waiting we see Shalom a likely we welcome in the Shabbos and you'll say back
I like him so right?
Could they feed ten kids? Yes without those programs? I am one of them children you're driving a G-Wag
like people brah-brah-brah
people literally
People who say like, oh, well, they're not organizing around the boundaries of class year
You think like you think the the Hasidic Jews are doing this because they're you know, because they're aware of their class position
Yeah, just like the fucking Israeli Palestinian conflict is not a religious conflict but a conflict surrounding
the the dispossession of the indigenous population at the best of a
A a fascist ideology that still ultimately engages in war for material extraction
This is no different in that regard as well
Don't be fucking suckered in to the argument that they're presenting to you it's ridiculous
This very same issue persists all across the country in Christian enclaves, in Jewish
enclaves, it might even in some way shape or form exist in Muslim enclaves, like, it's
a problem with the way public school funds are allocated back to private institutions.
These guys are just utilizing what was initially set up probably for Christians to their own
advantage in the United States of America.
But the results are still the fucking same.
Charter schools and private schools that suck up the funds away from public schools.
My father was never on any welfare.
I used to reuse sandwich bags to save my father a penny.
That's great for you.
You're not welcome here and you're not welcome
in a lot of other places based on your video.
What about me though?
I love you, man.
Ah!
You are funny.
You don't own this place, you don't own America.
I can do whatever I want.
Whatever you want.
I should get your G-Wagon.
Get to work.
You're not trying to bring people together.
You never did, you never would.
That's who you are.
Somebody hurt you, didn't you, Blake, and I'm sorry.
He was right.
Someone did hurt me.
Whoever told my sponsors to pull out
after making one video exploring a community of welfare-addicted Jews.
If you want to help me avoid any up on Welfare 2
and get access to all of these videos early and watch never-before-seen content
I can't upload on YouTube, go subscribe to my Patreon at Patreon.com
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But he's a fuckin' freak.
I headed to Lakewood, New Jersey, one of the fastest-growing ortho-
And he got banned on Patreon too.
Fuck!
This fucker ushers and hate on black community welcomes the cover up phony care for us the other hand. Yes
It's it bro, bro. This is this is how reactionary propaganda works. This is how it works. This is how it's always worked
Just like the whole like anti affirmative action initiatives
obviously failed for the longest time with like white students consistently
claiming that they were being victimized so they went back and they got a bunch
of Asian students.
the
Anyway, let's continue.
You decide as you can tell, it's two separate communities.
Look around.
You will not see a non-Jewish resident here.
We have to eat Yiddish bus.
This is really all Jewish stores.
Now that pizza place, it's going to be kosher pizza problem.
A lot of these signs are written in Yiddish and everything is insulated.
Basically you come here to this plaza and get everything you need.
Like what?
Who gives a fuck?
They do this to Muslims who are like, hello?
Who fucking cares oh?
No, dude closer pizza. We're my country gone. They're they're taking over brother like
like. That part is dumbest
book quite convenient, quite nice.
Everyone can shop here.
Of course we can go in and they'll
be friendly, but everything's
geared towards one community.
But there's it always this way.
This part here is this newly
developed. Oh yeah, so this
used to be a concrete yard.
Got it. So we're almost where
we're standing used to have
rows of concrete trucks.
So it's possibly busy.
Now this place was packed with Jews buying groceries for Chavis.
Keep in mind, Goyim are fully allowed to come in here and shop whenever they please.
They're very friendly. I don't think anybody's gonna get nasty to us.
There's a lot of the fear-bulls.
We aren't the death right now.
Definitely not.
What?
I do think they don't feel comfortable enough to do that.
But it's important to understand the bigger picture here as kosher stores move in, more Jews move.
Dog, it's literally like going to an Italian deli and being like,
Oh!
These guys hate you for not being Italian, except don't be fooled, they're very nice.
But make sure you understand.
It's their wily ways, the wily cunning ways of the Italian that tells you, that welcomes you into the deli's Mamma Mia.
But deep down inside, there's a hidden truth, they hate you.
They want you to beat cattle.
Huh, is this a fucking grocery store, man?
If you're two, creating a positive feedback loop where a town rapidly becomes a Jewish hub,
ultimately changing the character and identity of a town, and in Lakewood's case,
overwhelming the infrastructure.
Before we explore the many implications of life for Goyim,
as towns like Lakewood become increasingly Jewish,
I want you to understand how quickly the word antisemitism gets weaponized in real time out here.
Why do you think anything that you don't like to see is anti-Semitism?
What if I said it's anti-Semitic?
Go.
When you talk about people accepting government money and the overlays of a bunch of pictures
of fraud, you're trying to twist it to make it look like we're doing fraud.
There were welfare programs that were defrauded by Jews.
What did I say that was a lie?
You're a welfare program that are defrauded by Jews.
Yes, I made a Minneapolis video as well.
I made several videos.
Why are you being so sensitive?
What you're trying to make it sound is like anyone who accepts government money in the
Jewish community is being a fraud.
That's your interpretation.
What you're doing is dangerous.
How is this dangerous?
Why should you be treated like a protected group?
You're asking for special privileges.
No, we're not.
We're asking just to be fair.
And you're not being fair.
I am being fair.
This is going to make you a lot of money.
That's going to jump a lot of hatred towards a community
that's seeing a rise in anti-Semitism
that hasn't been seen in years.
Every single day, our lives are at risk.
And this is going to lead to more.
My sponsor literally got pulled out of the video
once they learned the topic of that video.
I lost the sponsorship.
How is that lucrative?
Tell me.
Do you say anti-Semitism?
I say anti-goyism.
Listen, man.
You got a kid in the car, I just noticed.
Drive your kid home, get your groceries.
This is, you're getting a hard time.
Let's go.
It was good to meet you though.
You're like with the United States,
because I was, he thought that we should pay for their money,
so why don't you move to a different country?
Why don't you move back to Israel then
if there's so much anti-semitism, right?
Like that guy said, why is it a good Israel?
We are giving back, so.
Listen, the Indian theory welfare is a good idea,
it's sweet, right?
At what point is it too far?
Because this is a program designed to help single moms
after they get divorced and keep the kid from starving.
I also disagree with you that someone
doesn't have a right to have a child.
I think you should have a child if you can afford it, right?
Right.
Get her out real quick.
Sure.
Let's hear it.
OK.
You two gentlemen, I saw a video of you walking in a 136 hillside.
They asked, not to come back.
Fair enough.
Amazing.
If you come back, you'll be a trespassing charge.
You're a trespassing charge.
If you don't like the laws of America,
and you think that the governor will offer his stupider
whatever.
I would like to change the laws.
Just like you would like to create anti-semitism protection
laws that give you guys protected classes
and protection against anti-semitism,
whatever that means, right?
Why don't you go back to Israel?
That would be my question.
Oh, because I like it here.
Same here.
some changes. We can both agree on that right? God bless you! There we go, he loves us. You
guys have group chats with me, you guys say be aware of this guy like I'm like Hitler
or something. I'm like come on dude, I'm a nice guy, I talk to everyone.
Elon Musk has 12 kids, why can't I have 12 kids? He pays for them.
Your story point over here is that people can't have children if they can't afford them.
You as a society are born from people, are born from people who started with two people,
Okay, Adam and Eve. That's it. New Jersey ain't gonna live this down. Listen, I don't know this state. I have no affiliation with the state.
I don't know what the fuck this state is. I've never, I've never even seen a Jersey.
What, like the things that people wear?
Is that what you're talking about?
I'm out
Row in the Rutgers Rugrats that TV show what you mean with the babies
You want to go with the big bang but it started at some point it's two people and now there's billions and there was trillions throughout the world
So you're saying you cannot just that have to do with any that all those people didn't have welfare Adam and Eve had Cain enabled
They have a government
We're going to government that besides that f**king combo man, we're going to help them.
Everyone does their part.
You should not have more kids than you can afford.
You're arguing that I should pay for your kids.
That's what you're arguing.
I'm arguing that I should pay for your kids.
You are.
I'm arguing that the government's at you.
No.
That's our money.
I pay taxes.
I shouldn't be funding your kids.
They're still like the Donald Trump.
You should not be funding your kids.
You don't pay for my kids.
F**k.
I could do this all day.
Why don't you go?
You should go because you should go.
You should go.
You should go.
You should go.
No, no, you should move on.
Nobody wants you here, please move out.
He was saying, Tyler, Tyler, he loves me.
So we're not allowed here?
Come, come, come.
You want to come to the corner?
Over there?
Let's go move, let's go.
You know, I know what you did in the video,
and we all saw it, and we still see it.
But it's like, nobody can cross the government.
The government knows everything.
The United States federal government knows everything.
Not if you're fraudulently found.
No, it's not true.
But if you feel that you live in a country that is corrupt,
why are you still living here?
Wow.
This is why no matter how isolated or instill or an ethnic enclave you can have you still
100% become a fucking jersey in.
Okay, look at this motherfucker.
He's basically Italian.
You take the yarmulke off and you're like, oh, that's an Italian guy.
That's an Italian guy.
and I'm seeing like a hint of an accent.
I can't really recall what it is.
I mean, he's even wearing the fucking keep up to the side, bro.
He's like, yeah, like a Yankee with no brim, right?
But Jewish style.
Hey, I'm walking here.
Ha, ha, ha.
Hey, come over here, come over here.
Let me talk to you's! Let me talk to you's!
Hey, what you doing with these fucking Jews? I don't like it, right? Ah, come on!
Got everyone has options, right?
I can give you a-
Brimless is too crazy? Yeah, bro!
Sideways too!
Just the 15-20 countries over the back, you can live in your country-
Yeah, regardless, let's say America is corrupt, it's someone to live for.
You understand?
Hold on, just because there is corruption here, which there is.
There is not.
What are you talking about? Let's not be silly here.
If there would be corruption, the FBI would love to come here first,
any other location in the world. Okay. Okay. I don't know if that's the best argument. I'm
sorry. That's funny. Yeah, I don't, I mean, yeah, the American government and the FBI
are they they have a maximum anti-Semitism they would love to they would love to fucking come in here
it's just fucking chuds on all sides no literally it's perfect it's shut on shut violence
Oh
Well, I read the numbers in Minnesota 22 people and that if the medicate from is in Minnesota and listen
You can attack them as much as you want a what they did. That's big numbers man
Both of your schools hadn't had money laundering. Yeah people people. Yes, both here's 45 schools
So BMG had people that look like look at them like their brothers, okay?
All men are brothers, bro. This guy and the other guy. I mean, he's wearing the he's wearing the brimless. He's wearing the one with the brim
You know what I mean
You got you got different Los Poyos variants out in the wild
arguing with one another, sounding exactly like Los Boyos, for charge of
money laundering and so did the school for special, for special plans, as of
2019, 2018, 2017, look it up, it's all over Google, I don't look it up, you gotta show it to me,
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Me five percent of people in this vicinity between this four five zip codes work very hard
Yeah
So if you want to go and dig in a place like here like with where you the same capital you're gonna find and this small percent
You're making me want to dig now. You're making me want to look.
You're already digging man. You're digging. You're ready.
I'm at Whole Foods. What are you talking about, four months?
Go break your head.
You can keep on breaking your head.
I will break my head, yeah.
No problem.
And actually, when you break your head too much,
you end up digging water.
When you dig water, there's nothing under it.
You were in Jackson, which is really
like a continuation of Lakewood.
And by the way, I don't know if you know how I toppled
the government there.
They had all these anti-Semitic laws.
It was crazy.
And they had two conversations with the White House
that eventually DOJ got involved.
Anyway, so I don't know.
Are you already doing your Lakewood thing?
I'm here with Dr. Richard Roberts.
You sold the pharmaceutical company for $800 million.
You were the vice chairman of the Israel Advisory Committee
for Donald Trump in 2016.
Yes.
And you reached out to me.
Why did you reach out to me via email?
Because you posted that,
first of all you did your video,
a curious yo-all in New York,
and got a lot of Orthodox Jews, very, very upset.
But why did you reach out to me?
But towards the end of the video,
you saw the altruism in the community.
And you seem to respect that.
And since I could see that you seem to meet
of a sincere desire to actually get the real facts,
because if you were just bigoted against us,
you wouldn't be struck or commenting
on the altruism in our community.
But you casually toppled the Jackson government.
A, what does that mean?
B, how did you get a relationship with the White House?
I never spoke to DOJ.
I just speak to people in the White House twice
to tell them what was going on,
because who in the White House?
I don't think I want to, I think I don't want to say.
You think this guy got the access because he's Jewish?
He might have used like friends that he knows, but,
like if you're a random Orthodox Jew, okay?
And you live in like section eight housing,
you think you're getting access to the fucking White House?
Or do you think the fact that he's a billionaire
something to do with it! Sorry. 800 millionaire, I apologize. You know?
This is the filter. This is, by the way, Tyler Olovera is like far more sophisticated than Nick
Shirley, which isn't saying much, but he is far more sophisticated than Nick Shirley in the way
that he does the propaganda, but like it's still a filter. Ask yourself that question.
You think like a random broke boy Orthodox Jew gets to have their needs met or do you
think this still has, do you think that this still has a lot to do with your class position?
So you mentioned Jackson's a continuation of Lakewood.
You toppled the governments.
You went to the White House, Willie Nilly.
Gault.
Gault? Okay. You're connected to the White House.
Oh, I rarely leave my house.
Which just goes to show the scale of your connections,
in my opinion.
I hear this voice from him, like, shiver me timbers.
Who am I dealing with a little bit here, right?
Like, this guy's...
Sort of a little...
All right.
He's gone.
And you might be wondering,
why are mega-wealthy Jewish power brokers connected
to Donald Trump trying to set the record straight
straight with a lowly goituber like myself. This all begs the question. Why are they so
afraid of me? I think that they just don't want you to betray Lakewood in a bad way. That's
really all it is. Is there any bad to see? It's bad to see everywhere. It's good to see
everywhere. Exactly. It's good bad and ugly everywhere, right? 100%. I used to live here
in Lakewood when I was in ninth grade. I love Lakewood. There's so much Jewish life here.
It's so easy to be Jewish and everything's cheaper. It's amazing here. Why did Lakewood
to become such a large Jewish hub.
So I think it started with BMG.
We smell Jekevoa and then you had a lot.
You know, BMG.
Yeah, tell me more about BMG though.
I hear it's like the Harvard of Yeshivas.
Yes, it's a top notch.
You just sit and learn all day.
You already finished your high school phase.
Most people went to Israel and you came back
and they just sit and learn all the time.
It's amazing.
I used to do when I was a teenager.
Like, it was an amazing place and everything.
And I think I've seen your videos all over.
I just think that people get nervous and stuff like that,
but you're just coming and filming the truth
and you're working just like we are.
That's it, we're all in the same boat.
What should we know about Lakewood?
Great place, you're always welcome here.
Thank you, thank you.
Yeah, we got, no, it's welcoming for the most part.
A few guys are fired up.
We try to give them the chance to speak, have a conversation.
You're a little...
I'm here.
What whisper did we miss?
Man.
I gotta go now, but...
I love it.
To a tee, a guy gets a whisper.
And he goes quiet.
Would you like to say anything?
How you doing?
You don't like it, huh?
This guy whispering in his brother's ears.
comes up when they're talkative and sweet, and he goes,
take her out. And then they stopped talking. It is miraculous.
Tyler, good to meet you. What's your name? If I say something
good, if you put it on, let's go. We just met up with a guy
who was like, pissed off that we'd like come around here and
explore. This guy's killing me, dude. This is he's treating you
like that. Just a reminder, the sound is a 70% Trump voting
time. Oh yeah, no, like, high, high density hogs. Okay, very
high density of hogs here that's why it's so funny that's part of the reason
why people are so fucking mad on the conservative side because these are
Trump voters like these are this is part of the base like he's going after the
bread and butter he's going after the mega base child the whole laugh so I
know I know this is pathetic he's treating you like a child who is this
guy why are you guys let the man speak okay does that not look like suspicious
active why is there so much secrecy if you have nothing to hide why would he do
that he's the head whisperer all right tell me what you're gonna say money
everyone makes in this town crazy
What?
What?
What?
The police is also going to follow us.
They're going to follow us.
Here is a police response, special response in it.
And the cops, they're in front of them all along,
and they're going to just trail us around.
Amazing.
So given that the cops are being called so often,
they're just going to follow us around all day.
Land of the free, home of the brave.
And then I stumbled upon a kosher collision,
another example of Lakewood's infamously terrible driving.
We're just showing how densely trafficked it is out here,
how much traffic there is.
I want to show some of the driving differences out here.
I don't think he's saying a few mistakes.
This is nothing to do with Benz, bro.
Oh, what does it have to do with bad driving skills?
Or s-
Wait.
Did he roll up to the guy who was in a car crash while he's still in the car?
Ain't no fucking way, bro.
Mumdani rescues Columbia University Processor.
Wow!
Bro, I had no idea.
Wow, dude, that's crazy.
That's crazy.
Wow.
Wait, let's look at the Hassanavi TikTok.
Let's just look.
Let's just look at the TikTok.
Oh, my God.
Zoram, I'm Donny.
Just got off the phone with President Trump in our meeting earlier.
earlier our share market says about Columbia student Alina Aga
Ieva who was detained by ice this morning. He's just informed me that she will be released immediately. That's fucking incredible, dude
That is incredible
Fantastic shit. He made the boss call Trump fucking loves him dude. Holy shit. I had a productive meeting with president Trump this afternoon
I'm looking forward to building more housing in New York City. He's so
Dude dude Zoram on Donnie is
is exactly the person that Trump would love to win favor with.
Donald Trump's greatest anger and resentment towards elite liberals stems from the fact
that New York elite society never recognized the Trump family as a part of the elite.
They always considered it to be crude of poor taste, new voriche.
That's where a lot of his anger comes from.
Zara Mammdani on the other hand did something that Barack Obama never did, which is just
kind of talk to him normally.
Zoran is a person who was welcomed by the cultural elite very quickly.
I mean, it makes sense.
He's a well-dressed guy.
He's well-spoken.
His father is a fucking academic.
His mother is a very famous movie director.
He's very clearly a part of this group that Donald Trump desperately wants to win favors with.
Part of the reason why Donald Trump is fascinated with Zoran, seemingly,
is because he has a way of communicating with him in this charming manner
that isn't outwardly repulsed, that I think Donald Trump just responds this way to whatever
he's doing and offers him whatever he wants.
Oh my God.
You're carry, actually you didn't say a word is blowing up to you.
How do you propose the nation enforce federal immigration law?
We need to, first off, abolish and prosecute this crazy of the same outfit on as that video,
Brian.
I'm fucking wild.
Like, anyway, let's get back to this guy who, who got into a car crash, Jewish Lee.
I mean, that he literally says, like, closure, car crash.
That's what he said.
But that's, I just never thought I would see it in my lifetime.
This kind of like otherizing of Jews as like a non-white part, as like an out group was,
was definitely something that a lot of people shy away from doing.
They did not do, like this is, he's treating Jewish people like they are black or brown
or Muslim.
Like you do this kind of shit to Muslims.
He loves that they're like, oh my God, more of this please.
It's crazy, recession indicator, bro, straight up, Jews are now at the precipice of no longer
being seen as white.
Pretty wild.
Because like, oh, they're driving Jewishly, you know?
That's literally when you become a marginalized identity, when you become like not a part
of the in-group, that's what they do.
They're like, oh, well, everything you do is wrong.
Everything you do or anyone from your group engages in anything, any crime or any altercation.
Now that is the responsibility of the entire group, right?
That's fair.
I understand what you're trying to say.
Yeah.
That's not what happened.
Actually, no one on the road.
Totally fair, okay?
Do you need help getting pushed?
All right, all right.
Like, he's literally in the car crash.
He rolled up to a car crash with the camera and was like, what's up?
You driving Kosher style?
That's crazy.
Oh, you just hit the wall.
You didn't hit anyone?
You need help getting pushed?
Okay, we're gonna get out of here.
Oh, you're good.
And then anyone else?
I agree.
No, I mean, I'm employed.
I've employed a lot of people, I should say.
For doing nothing?
Do you think moving capital and charging interest is something more valuable than I am?
you think moving capital and charging interest is something more valuable than I do or what?
Moving capital and charging interest? Really, Tyler? Oh, really? I didn't realize you were
such a socialist, Tyler. Like, this is what I mean. The first half of the video is like,
look at these poor black and brown students that are having their public school fundings
eroded, destroyed. Oh, I didn't realize you were a brave education advocate for marginalized
communities from the 800 different videos you've done of like this black town is doing
black style crimes. The urbanist of urban crimes in this urban town where urban style
individuals are doing all the drugs you've ever seen and they're doing the drugs because
they hate going to school. Okay. Only to then turn around and be like, well, you know, these
poor marginalized communities, these black and brown communities are having their, their
resources stripped away by these Jews kosher style like classic pitting of
different marginalized identities he really he just straight up went up to
this dude and was like oh you think moving money around is actually you
think you think engaging in usury and moving money around is real work bitch
are you a fucking socialist are you an anti-capitalist no what the fuck are you
You bringing this up? Yeah, moving money around Jewish style?
It's crazy.
Tell me.
Tell me more.
I know there's so many 501C3s, it makes me wonder,
Are they all charitable? Are they fiending for tax exemptions?
Yeah, would you say you activated his trap car, bro? You shouldn't have said charitable contributions. Oh, no
Now he's gonna do the fucking cars for kids shit a great place to move to for young family if I have a kid or a wife a young life
Okay
Not just the the juice
Okay, respect what we have here we have a
Hey, it's good to meet you. I
saw it
So what is the name of that organization once again, that's all okay. Good to meet you man. See you later
And we have hot Zola up here to help the community
Yeah, this guy doesn't even know what the first amendment is. Don't be a joker bro. Come on
Yes, come over here come over here
Let me I need to get you like a second number. So what's your Instagram? You got Facebook? No, I don't
hundreds hundreds
You're a little child give me a number
I'm not insulting you just come on. I'm a little child. Give me a number. I promise. I'll make it worth it
All right, look give me your email. Give me your email
Our odds and what was your first name motion? We're gonna do some big stuff. You're afraid
I don't even I don't even know what's going on. Oh man. These guys are next level
I feel like I got dropped off on an alien planet and you might be wondering what is hot Zola
And how are they able to blast through red lights like that?
That's crazy. I didn't realize that I know that there's like hustler. There's like ambulance and stuff like orthodox
Emergency services. I didn't realize they have was that like a fucking cop car. That's a little crazy
it's like
like a community watch, but
They think they they think they they are cops if you notice they had their lights on and they just ran a red light
Just like a police officer would do no they're no uniform. They had the the jewish. No, no, they don't have cops
they have private ambulance services, which is normal. I don't know how it is in other
states, but in the state of New Jersey, I mean, in most American states, actually,
the EMT services are private. The Hutzula is like the Orthodox communities own private EMTs.
he's
white pants and yeah the
police cars what it looks like but he's not a police officer and he's blasting through the lights
I thought you'd never been here I read that in the newspaper I've never been in New Jersey I don't know what New Jersey is
Thank you for keeping me accountable. I wouldn't I wouldn't want to make the mistake of coming across like I've been to New Jersey at all
Like he is a cop. There's a hot-sola
Billboard right there Mike. What what is that for? I mean you're asking me questions. I don't why is he making it seem like this is like a unique thing I
Don't
Yeah, bro, it's a private fucking ambulance service like it's a private EMT service that the Jewish communities have
I don't I mean
If I the answers to why because once again because there's competing has told you have competing groups of these of a non-profit
Wait, what is this when words aren't enough?
redmyre.org a thousand words here emergency service yes it's business right
but literally everywhere no way dude private healthcare is yielded private
healthcare services that's crazy again if you're not a fucking socialist or if
you haven't ever advocated for making these services public I don't want to
fucking hear from you and even in a private structure there's totally
appropriate religious exemptions that you can make like for Muslims or for Jews in general if they
have like different religious practices. Yeah, Hadzola is free and they don't care of your Jewish
mind reading my last message or group in this community. Yeah, it's just like this is just
basically a Jew-baiting, okay? It's literally just like, well, they're doing private ambulance
services but Jewish style, isn't that fucking strange? Like that stuff is like, this is what I
I mean when I say like they went to a fucking grocery store, they're like, well, this is
a grocery store for Jews. Like it's fine. If you're, if you're, uh, you know, not Jewish,
if you're Gentile, you can still purchase goods here, but, uh, you know, don't let their
politeness, uh, don't let their politeness fool you. They want to make you cattle. Like,
come on, man. Do you understand what I mean? By the way, as far as like there is, like,
is like, as far as like taking away funds from public schools and then reappropriating
those funds like private schools, private Jewish schools specifically, like, that's
a commonplace practice that happens in this country. We need to tackle it. Okay. But it's
not something that we need to tackle on the, on the, you know, ethnic boundaries of Judaism.
It's something that we need to tackle at the systemic level across the fucking board. There's
plenty of Christian schools that do it. There's plenty of Mormon groups that do this shit
as well. It's all done ultimately at the behest of capital and in a way to undermine teachers'
unions that are some of the strongest unions that we have remaining in this country. Catholics
do it too. They all do it. Everybody does it. Muslims, I'm sure, do it in a certain way. Muslims
do it too, probably. I mean, I know they do it. Here, I'll give you an example of Muslims that
to do it. Firtulak Yunan has a network of schools. He's a C.I. asset, right? And there
are a bunch of Turkish schools in, in, I mean, all around the country and all around the
world really, but the ones that are in this country are charter schools and they do the
exact same shit. Okay. They do the exact same shit. They get public funding though. I know
they all do chatter. What the fuck did you forget the 7 million different times I've
covered this issue about how the American school system is completely fucking destroyed
because since the 90s, the Democrats basically designed this process where they were also
anti-union and decided to go after charter schools and like really pump charter schools
that are unaccountable.
And it's a way to reorient funds away from what's up.
Oh, we were supposed to do it at three.
Oh, fuck.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
Sorry.
Okay.
I'm going to pee real quick is all on the discord.
Okay.
I'm going to call in a second.
We're going to talk.
We're going to talk to Nita in North Carolina.
Okay.
Nita is in North Carolina for running for running for Congress.
I'm going to talk to her right now, but I have to pee real quick.
then, and then she's going to break her fast and we're going to talk about her race and stuff like
that. But hold on one second. Okay. One second.
you
Okay, okay, I am calling now.
now. Oh, turn on camera. Hello. Can you see me? Can you hear me? Yes, I can. All right.
Perfect. Hi, Neeta. One second. I'm going to swap it over here real quick and then hide
this. Boom, boom, boom. Perfect. All right. Nita Allen everybody. Am I saying, am I saying
your name correctly? Nita Allen. Nita. Yeah. Okay. For Congress in North Carolina four,
it's, it's very exciting to have you on the broadcast. From what I understand, it's, it's,
it's 305 here in, in Los Angeles, but it's, it's actually six there. And my, my team told me that
that you're going to break your fast with us, even though I already ate because I'm a bad Muslim
and not a very good one. I apologize. It's okay. We have one minute left. Okay. All right. Well,
when that happens, we'll get to it. But hi, Nita. Welcome to the broadcast. I'm very excited to have
you. You've been in the news a little bit. There was some drop site reporting that we're going to
to be getting to a shadow super pack that appears linked to Hakeem Jeffries is swooping
into NC four to back your, your opponent, Congresswoman Valerie Fushi as a rematch of
a race. APAC spent $2 million to win in 2022. This appears to be a new backdoor way for
APAC funneling through Jeffries funneling through Hakeem Jeffries. This pack also spent
$350,000 in New Jersey, 11 where APAC accidentally boosted anti-Zionist Anna Lillia,
Mejia, and they're spending $257,550, mostly on the broadcast in North Carolina for.
Why do you think they're coming after you like this?
I think they're coming after us because they're seeing the momentum and energy we're building
of a working class movement here at NC4, giving people who haven't had a seat at the table,
giving them a megaphone to show that they're sick and tired of the status quo.
And you know, it's not just this shadow pack, it's also the AI lobby just dropped $1.3 million
this week, and also other packs that have been funded by Coinbase and APAC Maca donors.
Um, yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's a pretty difficult hill to climb when you, uh, when you, when
you advocate for, uh, oh wait, hold on, let me, there's, there's two screens on here.
I didn't even realize because I was playing video games yesterday with a friend.
Okay.
Um, there is a pretty steep hill to climb when you, when you, uh, center the working
class around your knees, but unfortunately, obviously elections are one with, uh, with
big war coffers for the most part. Is there a, there's also another, yeah, this is the $1.3
million that was unveiled new FEC, F24 jobs in democracy packed with another $1.3 million.
What are these financial interests that you're so threatening that, that, who are these people who
are financially invested in your defeat potentially? Like, why do they feel so threatened?
Because I have been unapologetic and very clear that we that I would support
Senator Bernie Sanders call for a national moratorium on AI data centers
because corporations like META are trying to convince us that these data
centers are going to create jobs when we know they're killing thousands of jobs
they're destroying our environment and there's a data center being debated in
this district right now and hundreds of residents have signed an open letter
that are calling on candidates in this race
to not accept AI money.
They've been showing up to town hall meetings to oppose this
and to have our sitting member of Congress
see those residents of her district
and ignore their voices and in turn to accept
over a million dollars from the very lobby
that they are standing up against.
It's a slap in the face.
Yeah.
By the way, I think it's time, right?
If you wanna...
I hear my line very well.
Yeah, I don't wanna hold you back.
and break your fast with a date.
You wanna tell people what you're doing
for all the non-Muslims in the chat that might not know?
Yeah, it's Ramadan.
So I've been campaigning while fasting.
And so for the month of Ramadan,
we fast from our morning prayer to our evening prayer,
but also try to keep away from just bad habits
and centering ourselves more and praying
and trying to give back to the community as much as possible.
Yeah, that's gotta be tough.
Cause like in Turkey, usually in the month of Ramadan,
people, you know, the people try to stay away
from doing too much work, you know, during the day,
especially if it's like during summertime
when the days are longer or two, a lot of traffic,
a lot of traffic incidents in general, road rage.
It's super tough.
You're like a, you're like an athlete basically
where you still have to, where, you know,
your campaigns and overdrive right now,
and you're doing it well fasted.
Do you wanna talk about what some of the reasons are
for fasting in general?
Like, because I've been taught that it's a religious practice
that is supposed to help you identify
with some of the most marginalized people in society.
Yeah, it's one of our pillars of faith.
We have five pillars of Islam,
And it's to build that bridge with our most marginalized
communities, because everything we've been given in this world
is, as Muslims we believe, has been a gift.
And in order to make sure that we're
reminded of the gift of food, water,
but also all luxuries of this world
and these material aspects of this world,
that we take a moment to be grateful for it and give back
and give to others.
And to also do good actions to community service projects
also just work on your, you know, negative habits. I try to curse a little less during
your overdone, um, curve that habit as much as possible.
I'm, I'm a bad Muslim in every aspect, including that one too. I curse all the time is really
bad. You know, I try to, I try to do good in other ways. Um, so let's talk about your
policies. Uh, this is something that I ask every, uh, every person running for office.
If you were to break it down to like five top line policies, the Zoran method, what would they be?
Yeah, I mean starting in the true Zoran nature is the issue of affordability.
It is something that is not just happening in New York, it's in this district, in the south, it's everywhere in the country.
We're seeing our cost of living continue to go up because of these corporations and these
billionaires who just want to line their pockets and they're doing so on the back of the working
class.
And in the meantime, they're also paying us unlivable wages.
So we need to tackle the issue of affordability by raising the wage to a living wage, actually
passing, you know, Medicare for all so that healthcare is a human right and people aren't
having to decide between healthcare and paying their rent.
And all of those are intertwined with each other, like healthcare, rent or mortgage, gas prices, grocery prices, salaries, and then also the threats against our democracy.
The fact that, you know, Trump is back in office and delivering on every single one of the promises he made on the campaign trail.
And as Democrats, our leadership is just staying silent in this moment and saying, well, we'll try again in three years.
We'll step up and put up a fight in three years when families are struggling right now.
ICE and CBP came into our communities here in November, and I was on the front lines protesting with organizations like SIEMRA to fight back for our immigrant neighbors.
I'm a proud, you know, daughter of immigrants, immigrant myself.
It's a duty of mine as a local elected official to stay in my neighbors.
And all we got from our representative was a tweet.
Yeah.
So that's, I mean, you said a lot of policies on the affordability side, which I
like, that you're heavily, heavily weighing on that side of things.
Um, okay, but let's say that's three.
So what do you have two more for me?
Two bonus policies.
The bonus was also just the priorities that we have as a country.
The fact that we constantly see our leaders tell us, well, we can't afford to provide
a safe and sound basic education to every child, that we can't afford to provide healthcare
as a human right.
We can't afford to pay everyone a little wage, but then we can afford writing blank checks
to the Pentagon that hasn't passed an audit in over 30 years, send endless amounts of
money to other countries like Israel to commit genocides when we're not even taking care of
our own community members.
Yeah. I suspect that APEC, like APEC subsidiaries funding your opponent in this race is probably,
has probably something to do with the fact that you have an anti-genocide position. A
position is shared by many Democrats, including Democrats in North Carolina. Has this ever
been even a point of contention when you're doorknocking or are people more supportive
over all of this position?
No, people are sick and tired of seeing their tax dollars being used for destruction of
communities abroad.
70,000 innocent civilians have been killed using US taxpayer dollars, taxpayer dollars
that our current representative voted to send.
And in the midst of the genocide, flying to Israel and taking pictures posing when Nithin
and Yahoo, a known war criminal.
And in the same time, our district
is facing the highest number of federal funding cuts
more than any commercial district in the country.
And to have leadership that's not stepping up
and putting up a fight against right wing authoritarianism
because they're too busy courting these corporate interests
and these corporate defense contractors.
Yeah.
Going back to some of your primary opponents here,
AI companies, according to more perfect union gearing up to spend more than a hundred million
dollars on the 2026 elections in North Carolina and your district, they've already dropped
more than $500,000 on one primary ad and they're trying to offer a boost to your opposition.
What are their positions on AI?
So this lobby, they claim, quote unquote, or my opponent, you mean?
Yes.
She was just right as I launched my campaign, conveniently placed as a co-chair of the AI
Task Force by Hakeem Jeffries, Representative Jeffries, and then now you see there's three
co-chairs of this. Two of the three co-chairs are being bankrolled by the AI lobby now.
And we have been asked at a candidate forum by residents where we stand on the data center
that's being built in this district, and she said that's a local issue.
I'm not going to speak on that. Then what is the point of having a federal AI task force if you're not going to speak up and call for regulations on the industry?
Yeah, so she's
It kind of seems like at least judging by the way that these these AI companies are lobbying against you. It kind of feels like she's not actually doing her job as a as a regulator.
at least from my assessment.
So, one other question I have for you is,
Robert Granari, according to Sludge,
it has been outed as one of the billionaire co-founders
of J.S.H.R. Capital, is the only disclosed donor
to a PAC affiliated with the Super PAC now spending
for Valerie Fushi.
This week, he was sued in federal court
over allegations of insider trading
regarding Doquan's Terraform Labs.
the mysterious billionaire boss at Jane Street smashing trading records. What is the reason
why this person is so against you in your opinion? Why don't you like insider trading?
Well, I'm sorry to say billionaires, but I'm not going to be a friend of yours in DC because I'm
going to be there to advocate a fight for the working class. And I'm sure that these folks
are scared because they see that not only this campaign, but campaigns like
Sorans, campaigns like Anna-Lillian-Mahia, campaigns like we have coming up with so
many amazing Justice Democrats candidates and leaders we deserve and
Sunrise Movement folks who are running across this country are giving a voice
to working-class individuals who are saying that we've had enough of
billionaires making a profit off of our backs and then stepping on us and
silencing us. And they see that we've built momentum and we've built energy
and they're scared and they should be because when we win this is only the
beginning in this race. We're going to continue to stand up all across the
country and show people that they have the power and then no
matter how many millions they try to spend to silence us our votes will
silence them. Okay, so you're against POC people of capital or POW people of wealth, it seems,
the true minority, the only minority group that the Democratic Party and the Republican
Party both align on protecting. It's good to know. So another question I have for you is
Another question I have for you is related to the way that the party itself is seemingly
orchestrating methods of diluting funds or basically hiding funds that are coming from
big, big lobby organizations that are now falling out of favor.
Does this, like if there was a message broadly that you could take to the National Democratic
party, you're a Democrat, you've been endorsed by other Democrats, as well as an independent
Senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders, who always caucuses with the Democrats.
If there was a message that you could send to the party, what would it be as far as getting
out of the way of left populist candidates, candidates that are socialist, candidates
that are endorsed by socialists?
Why should the party not stand in opposition to people like yourself?
I think the party every year, every election that we lose,
the party always comes back and it's like,
oh man, why didn't working people come out and vote?
Oh man, why didn't young people come out and vote?
Why didn't immigrants come out and vote?
It's because we see who's funding you.
We see who is backing you.
And these folks aren't spending thousands
and millions of dollars for expecting nothing in return.
And I think it's disingenuous and it's insulting
to think that voters and constituents are stupid,
that we don't see these super PACs coming in,
that these corporate interests coming in
and buying these elections,
and thinking that, oh, this representative
is gonna truly represent me.
No, I think that we as Democrats,
if we actually wanna win in 2028,
if we actually wanna take back the majority this cycle,
then we need to be building the party and fighting
and standing with the working class people
that we claim to be champions for,
instead of being cashing checks from the same folks
who put Trump and his MAGA Republican friends
into the White House.
So you're in North Carolina.
What is the demographic makeup of your district?
Would you say that a pivot to moderation
is the suggested outcome here?
And your performance so far,
do you feel like that actually goes against the grain?
Do you feel like that actually is a clear-cut example that you don't have to pivot to moderation
in order to win elections in purple districts or blue districts or even red districts?
This is actually the safest blue district in North Carolina at C++24, and it's not
just blue, it's progressive blue.
We, I'm a county commissioner here in the largest county in this district.
I already represent like what's going to be 50% of the voting population and that shows
like you know as the first Muslim woman ever elected to office in North Carolina's history,
the values and the diversity of this district that we have the only district with the double
digit Asian American population, double digit African American population, nearly just under
double digit Hispanic and Latino.
And we have some of the most highly educated folks in this district with six colleges and
universities.
We're home to Research Triangle Park.
And we don't have to pivot.
And it's not even just about moderation, like, you know, I get called all sorts of things
and yeah, I'm a progressive.
But also every single policy that I'm standing on is common sense.
It's about allowing every person in this country to live with dignity.
And these shouldn't be controversial, especially not in the Democratic Party.
They shouldn't be considered radical ideas that, you know, every family, every person should be able to put food on their table should only have to work one job to make ends meet.
How would you reach across the aisle and make a convincing message that you would be the best congressperson for the district for maybe people who have voted in the past for the Republican Party?
There's someone who said this is my home district. There's six total Republicans here and two of them happen to be my parents
How would you convince the this this chatter that I have there?
There are two parents that have voted Republican that you are the
right
candidate for them I
Think I would talk to them about the shared lived experiences that we have
You know, people in this district, just like all across the country, are struggling to make ends meet.
And me and my husband, you know, we have student debt.
We have two young kids that we're putting through daycare.
And the cost of childcare for our two kids is the same as our mortgage.
And we want to see our neighbors being taken care of.
We want to see our neighbors be able to support themselves and be able to support ourselves.
And I believe that every single person in this country,
whether you're Democrat, Republican, or unaffiliated,
would rather see their taxpayer dollars be used
to build community, to support one another,
rather than be used to give billionaires tax cuts
and corporations tax breaks and fund endless war.
And I think that's how we build relationships
across the aisle is through human interaction
and relationship building.
Your opponent Valerie is turning 70 this year.
Don't you feel like you're taking out someone so young potentially by running against one of our youngest members in Congress?
You know, for me, I look at my generation, your generation, and I see that we are facing
One of the highest points of unaffordability for us, that we have student debt, we're more likely to be riddled with student debt for the rest of our lives than be able to buy homes.
The average age of a home buyer in the country is 59 years old.
And we need leadership that understands this lived experience in this moment of how expensive it is to raise a family, how expensive it is to go to school right now, to buy a home to try to achieve the American dream that we were told was possible for us.
Okay, so you're an agist, is what you're saying.
Someone so clearly young in the prime of her life, potentially, that doesn't understand
the plight of those who are even younger, which of course is far too young to run for
office.
All right, last question for you, and thank you so much for coming on the broadcast, taking
time out and sharing your experience of breaking the fast with a bunch of people who don't
fully comprehend the Muslim American experience.
What are some areas of need for your campaign right now and how can my community help you
out?
Yeah, our biggest need right now is honestly, as you mentioned earlier, campaigns are unfortunately
fueled by money.
when you see this type of, you know,
right wing special unders money coming in at the last minute
to try to save this representative with over,
I think it's nearly over $2 million
that they've dumped in this last week.
We are a campaign that's run on grassroots contributions.
I think our average contributions like $35.
So anything that folks can donate and give,
I think someone's probably dropping a link
somewhere in the chat and also volunteer.
This is, we have, you know, two more days of early voting, election days on Tuesday.
It's all about turnout now.
So if folks can jump on the dialer and make phone calls wherever you are to tell people,
remind them to vote and to get out at early vote.
And also, if you're in the district or around or want to come visit, come out doors with us.
Come reach voters where they're at and remind them that they don't have to settle in this election,
but they have a choice for change.
All right. Absolutely. Thank you so much for coming on the broadcast. This was wonderful. And I wish you all the success in the upcoming election.
Thanks, son. Appreciate it. Bye.
All right. That was, uh, I'm going to butcher it again. Neeta, Alam running for North Carolina 4. I have another guest here in the building right now. Ben Rhodes is in the building.
He's been waiting on the on the sidelines here and we're gonna dive into obviously the top news story of the day
We're gonna be talking about Iran. We're gonna be talking about
We're gonna be talking about Iran. We're gonna be talking my Cuba and a lot more
Welcome to the broadcast Ben. We have a I have a gift here for you. This is did you eat already?
I mean a little bit. Okay. Well, this is good lunch. This is a Turkish
This is the Turkish delicacy that we eat during Ramadan.
Oh nice.
Yeah, thank you.
You can try it and tell me if you like it.
I haven't even tried this one yet, but this is like one of my, it's a dessert.
Yeah.
Sweet.
Yeah, oh, it's very sweet.
That's good.
Okay.
Hold on.
You can't get that here.
No, this is, well, I mean, my mom went and found it somewhere, I don't know, but...
Anna, what's in it?
What's in the gulach?
Nishasta, no I don't know what Nishasta is, mom.
I think sometimes...
Starch.
Is it starch?
Yes, starch, layers of really thin starch.
There's napkins here too.
Yeah, yeah.
And you can't remember just this much and then...
And this is just usually a Ramadan.
Just Ramadan.
It's water, sugar, and rose water.
That's why it's called Brulac.
Brulac means globe.
All right, this is great.
water. That's why it's called pretty last year means well.
All right, this is great. I didn't expect this. Yeah. All
right, Ben Rhodes. Welcome to the broadcast. We had a long
conversation at Abdul El Sayed's fundraiser. And it's a very
interesting conversation. And ever since then, I've been I've
been meaning to have you on. And unfortunately, this is
probably the best possible time to have you on but also
simultaneously the worst possible time for the world in
general. You were a national security advisor in the Obama administration and you were there
in the room for at least very critical of Barack Obama. It's not a secret, but two key
foreign policy initiatives that I always ride for that have always defended normalization
and ease of restrictions on Cuba and also the JCPOA, which I think was a crowning achievement
of the Obama administration's foreign policy.
Now, obviously we have a lot of areas of agreement,
especially since then, I feel like your views
have also evolved.
Yeah, I've definitely evolved.
Quite a bit since that moment,
since your time in the White House.
It's an interesting time to have this conversation.
One of the things that I consistently talk about
is how American foreign policy oftentimes
is regarded as uniparty.
And I also certainly say that as well.
And there's definitely,
there is definitely a uniparty component to foreign policy,
but the one area where American foreign policy
genuinely changed was in the post-Obama world,
where Barack Obama's actions specifically with the JCPOA,
and I would love for you to describe it to those
who don't know in the chat what the JCPOA was,
was a a pivotal moment
uh... and the reason i think is a pivotal moment is because
it was panned by uh... the democratic party as well there were definitely a lot
of people who are still in power within the party at the current senate
minority leader voted against it yet exactly and there was a very
disrespectful moment where uh... you know benjamin in yahou's invited the
congress uh... to deliver
a speech in front of the entire congress even though plenty of democrats
actually chose not to attend there were still a lot of democrats that did go
and attend that, attend that speech. And the reason why I'm bringing it up is because when
Donald Trump came into power, I think we basically offered Israel the driver's seat in our Middle
Eastern policy. They've always played a consulting role. Israel is seen as this reliable and
very valuable ally. Israel's interests align with our interests in the region. It's a resource
rich region, and obviously we have different partners in the region as well, but they're
not as, I guess, they're not as seen as stable or as reliable as Israel has always been historically.
But I think in the Trump administration under Trump won, there were a lot of decisions that
were made that went against decades of precedent, went against decades of precedent where Israel's
wishes were fulfilled.
Moving the embassy to Jerusalem was a huge deal.
Now after Donald Trump lost the election in 2020, Joe Biden became president, but Joe
Biden also had some ideological commitments to Israel.
And I think that was part of the reason why the Biden administration did not reverse some
of these policies.
because it would have been too difficult of a battle to fight.
They could have gone into the JCPOA and they won't.
Yeah, exactly.
So my question for you is, now we're in the second Trump administration and we're even
moving further, allowing Israel to seize control over the steering wheel, directing Middle
Eastern policy.
And as we're at the precipice of potentially striking Iran again, an incredibly costly military
quagmire that might even collapse this country depending on how far it goes. Do you feel like
there is a, do you feel like the Democratic Party is falling short of what's necessary?
Oh yeah, I feel like the Democratic Party is falling short and there's so much to unpack
in that Hassan, but just on the Democratic Party today, look we are in the verge of fighting a war
or that 80% of the American people don't want to fight,
that could be absolutely catastrophic
for this country, for obviously Iranians,
but for countries across the region too.
Because if you have an implosion of Iran,
you could have 10 million refugees
into Turkey, Afghanistan, Pakistan,
we could go through those consequences.
And so here's an issue that is politically popular
on the left and the right.
It's one of the few things people agree on in this country,
is they don't want more wars.
The timing makes no sense.
There's nothing that has happened in Iran
that suggests that we need to mask
the largest military force since Iraq war there.
And yet, the Democrats are doing something.
So the vehicle, Ro Khan has been very good on this issue,
and he and Thomas Massey have basically tried to,
are forcing a vote on essentially a congressional break
on Trump having the authority to act.
And you're seeing the Democrats kind of sign on,
but if you look at their body language,
If the fight is about ACA healthcare subsidies,
like they are out there doing press conferences,
they're out there beating the drum,
they're traveling the country,
they look uncomfortable, not all of them,
there's some very good Democrats on this issue,
I should say, we can go,
Rokana, AOC, Ilhan Omar, but Chris Van Hollen,
Tim Kahn, it's an interesting mixed people.
But the leadership looks like,
this isn't really the battle we wanna fight,
which doesn't objectively make sense
because it's an 80-20 issue, right?
And do you really trust Donald Trump
to do the war in Iran,
competently and effectively?
Well, we shouldn't be doing it anyway, morally and ethically.
But why would we want to essentially?
The Nasek jumped out of you for a second
when you said, do we really trust Trump in Iran?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think, look, we are far too comfortable
with bombing countries.
And I own my participation in that for eight years.
I'm happy to talk about it.
Like you say, I've evolved on a lot of these things.
But what does that tell you?
And to me, there's a mix of things.
Some of it is like there's a correlation
between the kinds of Democrats who've taken money from APAC
and who've been very reticent to speak out on issues
related to Palestine and this issue.
Some of it is this kind of trauma very deep
in the Democratic psyche from the post-911 moment,
where it's like they're going to call us weak and we'll lose elections, which is, you know,
runs in the face of multiple elections, which Democrats rewarded voters rewarded people
that didn't want to get a divorce, including Donald Trump, including, but not limited to
Donald Trump, who ran as an anti war candidate three times now was much more difficult for
him to do so in 2020. Because, you know, it was the Trump administration. Yeah. Yeah.
But he did successfully went twice. Well, and Barack Obama said, Barack Obama ran as
in 2008 as an anti-war candidate. He never would have gotten elected president if he wasn't against the Iraq war and Hillary Clinton voted for it.
In 2012, he ran as the more diplomacy forward candidate. Mitt Romney was the hawk.
So in every single presidential election since 2004, basically, with the exception of 2020, which is a weird election, because I'm not sure Joe Biden wins that without COVID.
But every single election, Americans are saying, hey, we don't want these wars. It's a left-right issue, convergence.
And yet the political leadership in the Democratic Party is not where its voters are, and is
not even where the caucuses are.
Most Democrats in the House and Senate, I think, are against this.
It's kind of a leadership issue.
Yeah.
And the leadership seemingly has been whipping votes behind closed doors, or at least like
trying to use, trying to engineer an alternative where the Democrats don't even speak out against
it, with the exception of those who have actually been bold and have come out and spoke out
out against going to war with Iran. But unfortunately, as we've seen from both the Kim
Jeffries and Chuck Schumer, there's not a lot of appetite on the leadership side
to present the message. I want to ask you how you felt seeing Chuck Schumer come out and have,
hold on, I'm going to pull it up real quick, have these words, because the gang of eight had
a conversation, where is it? The gang of eight had a conversation with, I believe,
someone Rubio with Marco Rubio yeah and Chuck Schumer's only response in the
aftermath of that when he was asked was where is it was was something that we've
heard many times over actually it was it was a aesthetic they just as focused
response here it is the administration has to make its case to the American
people. The administration has to make its case to the American people, as though he's
been fulfilled, I mean, he's been filled in about what's going on. He understands the
moment, the necessity for war with Iran. And it's just if only the public heard about it.
Do you feel like, do you feel like Chuck Schumer is, is in opposition to a war with Iran, whether
whether it's Donald Trump doing it or anyone else doing it really.
I mean, it seems like he's going to end up voting for this bill, and maybe because there's
been a lot of pressure, frankly, for him to vote for this bill that tries to constrain
Trump.
Look, if you look at his body language there, though, he just got a briefing that could
not have possibly answered the question of why we're going to war with Iran, because
we should not be going to war with Iran.
this pivot to process, you know, they need to make their case, they kind of need to go through the
old motions of, I mean, it's like saying, we need a WMD campaign, like if we need some fabricated
intelligence, you know, like, like, like, what kind of case would Donald Trump make? Like, do you
really think that that would answer any of the mail here? And what's missing is a moral argument of
like, it is time for this country to stop getting into war after war, a policy argument, like,
Nobody fucking voted for people to launch a war in Iran when we have cost of living crisis in this country
like they're all kinds of avenues to attack what is clearly like a terrible idea and
He instead kind of retreats to this process point where which to me is kind of the lowest common denominator
Who who could disagree with the idea that they must make the case?
But that's not meeting people's energy where they are which is that we could go this during this live stream
we could learn that we started bombing Iran. And there's no urgency there, right? There's no
sense of, like, I've just heard something very alarming and this needs to stop. This doesn't,
this does not need to happen. This should not happen. Instead, it's this kind of process point.
Yeah. Look, I wasn't in any administration. I'm 34 years old. I'm just a guy in the sidelines. And
from my perspective, when I hear the leader of the Democratic Party say this, to me, that reads as,
I kind of want Trump to foot the bill for this politically and I don't mind if he does this
I don't mind if he does this
I just want to come across like I'm subtly nudging him in the opposite direction
Without much without any real pushback was so ever and I think a lot of Americans
Do also recognize that and that's where that voter apathy comes from the the idea that like both parties are not really gonna represent my interest
No matter what happens, you know, I still got to go to work and I got to worry about that
Clearly there is no reason for me to pay attention to politics
Do you feel like this is one of those moments as well where?
Where you know Americans look at this and go, eh, what am I going to do?
Yeah, and there's a political pieces and a national security piece on the on the political side
When it's not an issue that you want to really take on right as you're saying
You you retreat to kind of washington
process speak, you know. We need to make the case or we need to have like, you know, legislative
process on this or it's not taking a position on the policy. It's just kind of, I can be
against this through a process door instead of like going out there and taking a stand
against the war with Iran. Yeah, there's a bigger point though on the national security
side. And this includes Congress, but also includes people that were in jobs like mine
is that, and I called, I had this phrase for the blob, which was meant to refer to the
a kind of group think of people in national security
in both parties.
The conversations that those people have inside of rooms
would make absolutely no sense to the vast majority
of Americans.
They're so inside of the machinery
of American national security policy,
the momentum towards the thing like war.
If it seems like it's happening, then we need to make it work
or we need to figure out how to do it better,
like kind of what I said earlier.
instead of just stepping back and saying like this is crazy.
Why are we doing this?
And why do we do this again and again?
And look, some people are doing it for clear reasons, right?
So Israel has long had an interest.
I've never been in politics without beating
Nenyao wanting the United States to remove the Iranian government
through a military operation.
So like their interest is very clear and it's very long standing.
Let me stop right there.
have you considered that they're a week away from a nuclear weapon
after that
the ronnie's after their programs obliterated okay i i spent eight years
studying your any nuclear program uh... it was neither obliterated nor is it a
week away from a nuclear weapon okay but have you considered that
imagine a world let me pitch it to you
imagine a world where the iranian nuke
is a week away though
we gotta do it we got a bomb a little bit right
got to do something. Well, first of all, the- I'm joking. Yeah, but here's what's really
important. Here's what's really important. What Rikov said is not that they're even
a week away from a nuclear weapon. It was they're a week away from having enough fuel
to produce, to make a nuclear weapon, but they've never weaponized, the US intelligence
community, assesses that in 2003 they shut down any effort to weaponize that program,
which is important because that means you can have fuel, but how do you shrink it down
and put it on a warhead, right?
Yeah.
I mean, we are much further away from, even in the doomsday scenarios painted by Netanyahu
and Wittkoff and whomever's saber-addling, like they leave out the fact that Iran does
not have an active weapons program.
They have a nuclear program that could be concerning.
I get it.
But anyway, these timelines are all bogus.
The enrichment process is definitely above what is normal for civilians.
What is necessary for a peaceful world?
Yeah, what is necessary for civilian infrastructure.
I see that as not an opportunity for Iran to develop a nuke, which by the way, you and I
probably have differences in opinion on that because I think that we are in the age of
nuclear sovereignty, but that's a totally separate conversation that we can have.
But I think it's more so a way to try to negotiate with leverage at the Negotiations Table to
get rid of at least some aspects of the sanctions.
This was fairly successful.
If you don't mind, can you explain to people what the JCPOA is and what the process looked
like as someone who was working on it?
Yeah, and it's important because this deal has been demagogued over the years.
Essentially what the JCPOA was was the United States together with Russia and China and the UK and France and Germany
So all the kind of you know big powers at the table here with Iran
Negotiated a deal which Iran would agree to never develop a nuclear weapon
They make that commitment and Trump claimed in the state union that they'd never made that commitment
they did but then really importantly they would
Destroy like the the reactor that they were going to use to make plutonium so they don't need plutonium
They have a uranium enrichment program and then they would basically take out a significant amount of their centrifuges
Put them under lock and key
Monitoring verification so that they're only running a limited number of centrifuges. It cannot produce enough fuel for nuclear weapon
They're enriching at a far lower percent, you know, that's consistent piece of purposes very importantly
They are shipping their stockpile of enriched uranium out of the country to be reprocessed
and then used for things like medical isotopes.
And then there are all these inspections regimes.
There's people in the, you know,
can go and inspect the facilities.
There's cameras monitoring all this.
The shorthand version is Iran gets some sanctions relief
and in exchange, they take a series of steps
that guarantee that they do not have a program
that could become useful for a nuclear weapon.
The stuff is shipped out of the country.
There's less of it.
There's less of it operating.
They're doing less research and development.
There's inspection inspections.
And this solved, if you're genuine interest, right,
and this is, I think, what the Obama debate kind of smoked out,
if your genuine interest is making sure Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon,
this solves that problem for you.
Yeah.
So if you don't like the deal, you know, you can say it's, you know,
I wanted a better deal on the nuclear stuff.
No, this is about, and Trump is finding out now,
this is as good a deal as you can get a nuclear.
It's, do you want to remove the Iranian regime?
And, you know, the Israelis said at the time,
they need to get rid of their ballistic missiles, too.
they need to stop their support for their still saying it
but trump is taking those positions at the negotiating team which is insane
and here's the thing the ronnie's will never do that yeah
and the israeli government knows that
and so that proposal is designed in a laboratory to fail yeah you know and
that
that's kind of where we currently seem to be in these negotiations
and trump has to decide and i can end up in this war
because this deals impossible or i'm gonna take
kind of essentially like maybe you get a slightly better version of the bombing
you own say you're better than obama and can call that a win i hope he does that
yeah i'd be happy it's also really interesting that uh... there uh...
there there
you know uh...
their second place prize for like not removing the ballistic missiles has been
to limit their range the three hundred kilometers
that uh...
suspiciously doesn't reach israel but so it is some of our of course it's a
American bases, still reaches American bases in Qatar, Bahrain and elsewhere are obviously
within striking distance. Even the oil refineries are in striking distance of the 300 kilometers,
just not Israel, which is really interesting because that's the one regional partner that
regardless of proxy wars that Iran has had with other regional powers, that's the one
One regional power that is almost always directly attacking Iran or has directly attacked Iran
in like the last couple of decades.
Yeah, and that's why the Iranian government sees that program as their only potentially,
that and the proxy groups, where they're way in which they try to defend their regime
survival.
And yeah, I mean, and look, I think that what's so, the reason Trump can't explain why we're
doing this is it's not even clear to me that he knows why we're doing this you
know what I mean in the sense that there's a momentum coming up some of it
from Israel and its supporters in the US some of it from the kind of dead-end
or hawks you know like your Lindsey Graham's I mean who yes but they're
there these people in the US said you know they hate Iran and Cuba because
they've never gotten over 1959 1979 there's a kind of vengeance seed in
American farm policy with some of these countries so there I think there is a
a kind of the the convergence of these were dead-end republican hawks pro-israel and israeli
government a little bit of reza palavi mixed in like that like that kind of i feel he's just a
he's a irrelevant entity in the country yeah he's just dangling him as like uh as a way to i guess
there's two there's two components right you have the mek on the one side uh with no domestic uh
with no domestic Iranian support whatsoever, that is completely gone after Iran-Iraq.
And then you have Reza Bahlavi for some of the monarchists who are my neighbors,
and they're wonderful, please don't kill me. Anyway, I would say one thing about this,
if you don't mind. I have a lot of Iranian friends, and the thing is nobody is defending
the Iranian government.
The question is, number one, is the US bombing that country
the best way to bring that change?
And I think the facts show Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya,
when I was there, that no, that doesn't end well.
Even if you think that the enemy of my enemy
is my friend, this can help, this could collapse your country
and leave the worst people in charge, the most heavily armed,
hardline people.
But the other point I make is that they're making cracks at this regime, like the women
life freedom movement, you know, there are women going around and covered in Iran, like
it's small.
They've actually gotten, yeah.
They've gotten an ease of a lot of the restrictions with a tremendous amount of on the ground,
like protests and people have died as a consequence and people have been jailed as a consequence
of this.
But that's a domestic affair.
That's domestic oppression.
And it doesn't help like you said it doesn't and the supreme leader is 87 years old and in poor health
Like this this thing is going to change better to have the Iranian people change it over time
Then randomly Donald Trump deciding one day, you know with BB Nyao that we're on this country
Do you really think that their intentions are to set up a stable successful Iranian democracy? Yeah, doesn't feel no
I mean, but that's also that is literally never happened
Yeah. And you brought up one of those versions, which is, I think, a very scary outcome for
every other regional actor, Libya, right? I mean, that's a great example, like Libya,
Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq. American foreign policy is littered with these consequential
disasters where, obviously, the American capital owning class have made a lot of money, whether
whether it be Halliburton in Iraq or whether it be Exxon and Chevron and numerous other
oil companies that are now playing a process in the refinement and the procurement.
The American population doesn't see any benefits from it. Obviously my argument always is the
morality of it all is like even if there was some sort of like military Keynesianism and
America was able to prop up this wonderful social democracy on the backs of tens of millions
the people that we have slaughtered, do I think that that is valid or appropriate? Absolutely
not. I don't. But even in spite of that, in spite of the immorality of it, there is
not even any sort of material benefit for the average American. And I think average
Americans see that more than ever before. Post-911, there was a lot of fervor. Americans
Americans were looking to issue a consequence to people.
They were looking to punish someone, anyone.
And in the after like 20 plus years of that, and now, you know, we're on, we're going to,
we're eventually going to turn the 30th year of our destabilization initiatives.
Americans realize that it hasn't helped them at all.
So that's the reason why there's no appetite for this kind of military action in Iran.
One of the things that the Trump administration is suggesting that I find very funny is I
read this political report that came out yesterday and they want Israel to strike Iran first.
And then they think this will be easier to sell to the American population.
I mean, they're so wrong about that.
I think they're misreading things, you know, because there is a, there's a muscle memory
in Washington that, you know, you will be able to generate broad bipartisan support,
you know, if it involves Israel. But we are, you know, through Gaza, through one war in Iran,
BB Nenow, like you're pretty universally loathed by Democrats. The idea that, if, if, and by
the way, it'd be the worst thing for Israel, frankly, you know, if they are seen as starting
a war that the United States has then drawn into that becomes a conflagration.
You might as well make Pat Buchanan the president at that point. That's like, that is directly
leaning into the argument that like all of the military ambition in this region is not
even about it is not even in America's best interest. It's simply because Israel wants
it is the main argument from that you're actually seeing in the populist right quite a lot of
and in this iteration of the conflict there is somewhat there's some truth to that especially
because I think the divergence with the Obama administration was certainly where we did not
act out in Israel's interest, and they certainly reacted negatively to it. And as I explained
earlier, this just feeds into that and calcifies that narrative in the eyes of the average Americans,
which will lead to never wanting to do with Israel ever again.
I think I think one of the things that's interesting is on is like the there's so much to say about how over extended
We got over 25 years in the war on terror right and and part of it is
The the the system itself that was constructed kind of created chaos in all these countries, right?
Violence and chaos in all these countries and part of what's hard
to unpack is that like it's not like everybody who goes to work from the US
National Security is like today I'm going to work to create chaos in the world
but they are operating within a system that allows that to happen and it's in
some cases is meant to make that happen in the sense that we don't you know where
we destabilizing countries where we dehumanizing populations right it's
It's kind of on this periphery, you know?
And now what we've seen though,
is not only have Americans figured out
what is the benefit to us in fighting these wars.
By the way, what is the cost on our own military
that has suffered a lot because of it?
But also that mindset is coming home.
Like Minneapolis looks like Kabul or Baghdad,
like with the night patrols, mass people,
Like this is literally, if you dehumanize people abroad,
particularly black and brown people,
like that stuff has now come home.
Sometimes the exact same tools that are being utilized.
Same equipment, some of the same techniques,
some of the same personnel, frankly,
I used to think when they had meat recruiting targets,
you know, they looked at the guy who killed Renee Good.
So all this is happening.
And I think Americans, to come back to your point,
when they look at the Middle East, they're just like,
Can this place just be, I don't want it to be chaotic.
I want things to be kind of calm over there.
I don't want to get involved in them there.
And then it currently, it seems to be
the Israeli government policy if you look at Yemen,
and by the way, with the United Arab Emirates, right?
So UAE is a part of this too, but whether it's UAE
in Sudan and Yemen, Israel and Southern Syria, Lebanon,
potential Iran conflict, what you're talking about is
like just more chaos in this region, right?
And I think Americans would take the opposite view of like,
I just want this place to be calm, you know,
like for their sake and ours, you know,
like let's put an end to this.
And there's an exhaustion that is part of what makes this
ramp up to a potential in another war in Iran
feel so bizarre and discordant
because it's just not like read the room.
It is not what the mood of the country is.
No, not even a little bit.
and uh... i do think that
depending on if ron's appetite for uh...
self-defense
this could go very south
what would you say
my analysis that uh... the aya tola is probably one of the more restrained
parties involved
in this uh... in this back and forth
uh... judging by past performance
uh... as far as even like reacting to israel's actions or reacting to american
actions
as opposed to some of the more militant elements
within the IRGC.
So yeah, this is interesting.
So they've been hit twice, like once by Israel
and once by Israel in the United States.
And both.
And even before that.
And even before that.
The embassy strike.
Or the Custom Salamani.
Yeah, Custom Salamani.
They had the IRGC.
And what you saw them do is very carefully calibrate
a response so that they could be seen to be responding,
but be signaling that they don't escalate.
So the example of this is they fired missiles
at a US military base in Qatar.
By all reports, they called ahead and were like,
just so you know, we're gonna fire these missiles.
And I think that was more of a warning
than they weren't intending to hit the target.
It was like, because they know we can shoot things down,
particularly if we have advanced notice.
It was like, we're trying to show you
like you are within the range of our missiles,
but we're also trying to not escalate this situation.
They did some of the same stuff.
It's some of the drones if it is real,
like literally just flying slowly across
the Middle East, you know.
Now, at the end of the 12 day war,
they were starting to try to really hit targets in Israel
with their ballistic missiles.
And they started to get through.
Now, one of the things that I, has to bring to truth,
I was talking to a really smart analyst in Ali Weiss,
is that Israel took out a lot of the Iranian military
leadership in the 12 day war,
in the last war a few months ago.
And some of those are the people that had been arguing,
and we gotta be careful here.
You know, we don't want to react in a way that leads them to remove the regime.
So there are some, all they care about is regime survival, right?
So now those people, they also do like, I'll be fair, uh, and say that, like,
I can only use my own personal example with Turkey.
Yes.
Right.
I despise the regime, and from what I understand, the government is not a big
of mine either. I can't go back to Turkey without, you know, possibly going to jail
for things that are written about the Turkish government, things that have written about
the coup. I'm not a goodness by any means. Of course, I've been very critical of that
as well. Anti CIA. But having said all of that, I still believe that regardless of how
corrupt Ardoğan is, regardless of how despotic he is, I still think that his primary, like
there is a there's a level of responsibility that he has to his
population to the sovereignty of the country
even if that means he makes a lot of money on the side or you know all first
favorable contract to his exactly to his
uh... children and whatnot
and i and i feel the same way about the iranian government as well like
ultimately yes
uh... they are the ruthless
and they're incredibly repressive to a degree that i think yields not only
instability
and creates national security problems for them
It opens up tremendous opportunities for Israel to very clearly take advantage of and and yet
I do think that their their primary focus here is to maintain sovereignty and to protect their citizens of the best of their ability
well, and here's another important point about this because
Oftentimes American
Politicians policymakers they look at a place like Iran or Cuba for that matter and they see a they call it a regime
they see it as a monolith, like everybody inside that regime is the exact same person and that they're not different factions and
There are I mean just because you're not a democracy doesn't mean you don't have people with different views in the government
Yeah, and they're always hardliners and people that are more open to reform or engagement. What have you?
What what's happening when you bomb a country like this?
You are confirming repeatedly you are confirming the worldview of the hardliners, right?
The people who've been saying all along, don't ever make a deal with the Americans.
You shouldn't have made that deal with Obama.
There are a lot of people in the Iranian system who hated the nuclear deal because they don't
trust the Americans.
By the way, then when Trump pulls out, guess who looks like they're proved right, the hardliners.
And so when those Iranian military commanders got taken out, the younger crowd that moved
up the ladder, these people could be more ready for a fight.
And this time, Iran might not call ahead.
And look, they can fire ballistic missiles at our bases in Qatar and Bahrain.
They can fire ballistic missiles at Israel, try to overwhelm missile defense systems, have
a few missiles get through, and just imagine if a bunch of Americans are killed, for instance.
They can, their proxies could, you know, try to attack our embassy in Baghdad, which in
the past they've been able to demonstrate they could do that.
Lebanon, they could try to, to, to stir things up.
You know, they could launch cyber attacks.
And then the problem is, of course, then there'll be an overwhelming response.
And if you remove the regime, if you kill the Supreme Leader, it's far more likely that
Iran implodes into some kind of civil conflict.
Or the IRGC, the most hardline faction, tries to seize power because they're the most heavily
armed people in the country.
And then you have separatist movements in parts of Iran.
There's also a succession that was chosen already given the Ayatollah Khamenei's age
uh... and the last i think before the last uh... twelve-day war there was like
three different clerics that were chosen in secret
so there's like a contingency plan that they have i don't know how successful
that will be
especially because like
common it was also a a formative figure in the iran rock war as well so like he
was an established known figure amongst the clerics as well so i don't know
where they would go
uh... from here
uh...
but he
he was not the same force that i guess humane was but even then he was like
established entity. And he's the longest serving dictator in the world, so he's kind of built
this structure. But the other thing they know is we can bomb, we have all this overwhelming
superiority there, but he also knows that Americans and... He's still younger than Chuck Grassley.
He is actually. And by the way, he's similarly online. His Twitter account is kind of like Chuck
But but they know that we're probably not gonna send them ground troops. Yeah, there's no support in this country for yeah
So if they get what it's not even just that it's also like a very difficult like it's it's like a fortune
It's a huge country. It's a nice country 90 million people 90 million people. It's it's like a fortress with the with the terrain
Yeah, it's it's it's like Afghanistan times 10. Yeah, and and
Recent events show that Afghanistan was not exactly
That's the thing. If you're the IRGC and you weather midnight blizzard 2.0, you think,
oh, I can wait these guys out. Look what happened with the Taliban in Afghanistan. Look what
happened in Iraq, kind of muddled to some place where nobody expected it to be. Trump
is depending on this idea that you can solve problems just by bombing countries or remove
regimes just by bombing countries. And that's never been the end of the story.
Well, I will say there has been, I mean, obviously I'm not a fan of Trump by any means. And I've
been very critical of his insane military adventurism and destabilization initiatives.
But the one thing that Trump has been somewhat shy about, has been somewhat restrained about,
is that he also has this weird like anti-neo contendency almost where he's like
I don't want to subscribe to a 20 year war. I don't want to be like on the I want to go in and out clean like and as much as I
Abhor what the administration did in Venezuela. It's very obvious that
There were different forces inside of the administration that would have loved to utilize more military assets and
potentially go into a much more long-standing battle, maybe even try to
forcibly put Machado in charge, and he was like, no, she has no popular base, it's
not gonna happen. We're gonna work with Delcey Rodriguez. So in a weird way, like,
I think that approach is different from like Boomer, Neocons of the past, and it
shows me that, even with Kazim Sudeimani, he will do unpredictable
things and he will greatly escalate conflict. But he doesn't want to have, this is not saying
Washington Chatters, I'm trying to establish a logical through line with the way he, with
what he has done and what he chooses not to do. He takes risks, but he also doesn't want
to, he also doesn't want to engage militarily for an extended period of time.
So can I give you an analogy, which again, I want to apologize in advance when you're
talking about war, like it's always hard to make these kinds of
analogies. But I actually think this one does get in his mindset.
He is like a gambler that thinks he can walk away from the
table. Yeah. And so he'll go and he'll place a big bet. And then
it'll hit and he'll cash it in, right? And the problem is one of
those bets you're going to lose, right? Like one of those bets,
the Iranian regime is going to hit a US base. And then what do you
do? Or or ship? Yeah, or ship, right? They're talking about
They're talking about using Chinese radar systems. They're talking about potentially shipments of Chinese anti anti crew. I mean, anti ship missiles like this is and even before that, they have a fairly sophisticated and very affordable indigenous weapons manufacturing
Industry that is specifically designed around fighting against America and Israel. Yeah, you know, underground missile silos and the like an underground missile launching systems as well production facilities. Exactly. So like there's a
supply chains. This is a sovereign state. This is not a waging a counter-insurgency war against
like a band of brigands using old equipment that we gave them 20 years prior. And Venezuela had
not been preparing for 40 years for a potential conflict in the United States. The Iranian,
their entire military and security ethos has been designed with the US, this precise conflict in
in mind. Yeah, absolutely. Same with North Korea. Like, let's be real, their initial artillery
systems that they designed was obviously a threat. And then beyond that, like their nuclear program
and the intercontinental ballistic missiles program that they developed was developed specifically
with this in mind. As a matter of fact, I don't know if you're aware of this, but I was fascinated
by this. A lot of the tunnel systems that they use in Iran, they learn from DPRK engineers is what
There was something I was reading about this, like...
Yeah, and that makes a lot of sense.
There's a lot of, you know, cross-pollination.
I mean, a lot of those Iranian, say, drones were used by Russia and the Ukraine war,
and the North Koreans are in Russia.
Like, there's a lot more collaboration.
And frankly, we've been one of the driving forces of it.
Oh, for sure.
It's a failure of American foreign policy.
Consider these governments, right?
the Kim dynasty, North Korea, the Islamic Republic of Iran,
the Chinese Communist Party, and the kind of Christian
nationalist, you know, Russian Empire of Putin.
Those are not ideologically similar regimes.
They're anti imperialism from their perspective.
They're basically just pushed together by, you know,
necessity in a lot of ways.
When we should have, and this is what Obama was trying to do,
to pursue diplomacy, to kind of break that apart
and see, can we bring people into different structures
and can we create a different mode of politics in the world?
Yeah, I think it was Jeff Steins reporting in the Washington
Post that was really fascinating on this,
where he talked about the sanctions regime
that we have implemented around the world
and what consequences that is creating, which is like,
it forced a alternative market.
It forced a secondary market of cooperation
for a lot of countries, especially in the periphery,
Because we have, I think, sanctioned 69% of the poorest countries on the planet at some point.
It's a very simple process. You go to the Treasury, you say,
I want this guy out, or I want this regime out.
I want this competing interest in the country that I want to be involved in to get starved out by the power of the American government.
And it's by the same authority that the Supreme Court just struck down tariffs, right?
And so the Supreme Court is filing a presence to sanction every one, you know, the terrorist
for the Republican majority was, you know, in front of kind of their free market ethos.
I always say to people, look at the most heavily sanctioned countries in the world by the United
States.
It's Iran, North Korea, Cuba, now Russia, Venezuela.
Did that work to achieve the state of aims?
Like sanctions don't work in changing the behavior of governments.
Number one.
Second, they end up hurting the people of those countries, not the elites, because if
you get a secondary economy, a black market economy, the IRGC and Iran are the ones that
are going to run that economy.
So when people would yell at us that you're giving sanctions relief to the IRGC, it's
like, no, we're trying to give sanctions relief to the Iranian people that have been fucked
by our sanctions.
The IRGC has been able to make money in all kinds of black market trade during the sanctions
regime.
And so what the sanctions end up doing is, again, kind of creating this chaos, creating
in these humanitarian crises.
And then now it's become so extreme
that these countries are creating parallel economies, right?
Russia has figured out a way to sell its oil
despite being sanctioned by the United States.
The Chinese are trying to turn that
into an alternative to the dollar, right?
Not to be, but the dollar is the basis
of American power in the world.
If every financial transaction has run to the dollar,
you have infinite leverage.
But if we've sanctioned countries so much
and have behaved so recklessly
with tariffs and other things
that enough critical massive of the countries
are like, that's it, we're not trading in this,
we're not propping up the dollar,
then America becomes a normal country real fast.
Yeah, and it's really interesting.
You said that, because like,
I think we saw a version of this with like China posturing
with like the nuclear option in trade
when they added additional export protections
on export controls on rare minerals, right?
and these are rare minerals that are necessary
for production in the military industrial complex.
Like this is a matter of national security.
Or your car radio, your computer in your car is not gonna work.
Yeah, exactly, everything.
Everything is at some point like manufactured apart.
A component is manufactured in China.
And that was obviously posturing.
It was a trade posture to show how much power they have
at their disposal.
But if they were to apply that in the same unstable ways
Donald Trump has been engaging in these like terror wars and whatnot, obviously everyone
would look for a secondary market instantly.
And I think in some respects, like what we did was swift after Russia's irredentist action
in Ukraine, unjustifiable invasion of Ukraine caused this moment of panic for a lot of other
countries where they were like, oh, America will actually blow this entire thing up, even
if it even if it causes them harm in the long run as well.
And that's that I think accelerated the secondary market or like these these points of leverage
that other nations in the periphery were looking for like the BRICS alliance and what not to
put together.
I'll give you one example of that, which is India was buying Russian oil.
And Biden kind of told them, hey, you know, we'll look the other way because India, your
big important country.
And by the way, they don't have time.
They can't recalibrate their entire energy market that fast to comply with sanctions.
forward to Trump, when Modi didn't go along with giving Trump credit for the end of the
brief India-Pakistan conflict over Kashmir, because that was not true. Pakistan nominated
Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize, Modi refused to. Trump sanctioned India, or is it a tariff?
Trump tariffed India and also got the EU to sanction India. Guess what Modi did a few
weeks later. He went to Beijing for a gigantic celebration of I forget what
anniversary it was. He's saying I have options people like if you're gonna like
I have a country 1.2 billion people I'm not a Modi fan but your point I do think
he also has to act you know consistent with Indian sovereignty. He's like if
you're gonna keep fucking with me like this and I can wake up one morning to
find that the tariffs are 50% or you know my power grid is out because of
some sanction that just got put in place. I'm going to go deal with these people over
here.
Oh, yeah. And that is what more and more countries are doing, even Western allies that have been
vassalized over the course of the post-World War II New World Order that played a formative
role in the Cold War as like reliable allies to America have now come to that recognition
in the aftermath of the Greenland posturing that caused, you know, Mark Carney's famous
speech at Davos. We need middle powers to rise up and develop our own sovereignty.
I don't know how far they will go. I'm sure if Trump says you're going to be a part of
the Golden Dome, Mark Carney is probably going to say yes to that. And the same goes for
not violating the embargo that was added on to Cuba. Canada could easily send oil to Cuba.
And they could probably send oil to Cuba with much more ease than Mexico can, for example.
And if they were truly about that lifestyle, I think they would do that.
They would be like, no, this is unjustifiable.
We are going to send oil against American sanctions to help other countries also come
to terms with that.
The embargo on Cuba has been roundly condemned by the entire world since this inception pretty much.
I mean, with the exception of two countries, Israel and America, everyone is routinely demanding America and the sanctions.
And yet they don't. But clearly these other middle powers are not doing anything against it.
They're sending aid and that's good.
in particular. Yeah, Mexico sending aid as well. But like a part of the Venezuela scheme was to
stop oil transfers to the island. To starve Cuba. Yeah, to directly and deliberately starve Cuba.
How much of that do you think is like the ideological neocon component from the likes of,
you know, Marco Rubio and the resentment that they feel or wanting to punish this island for
for its sovereignty, for being like this dangerous predicament for America, that like a communist
country can thrive 90 miles off the coastline of the United States. How much of that is
ideological? How much of that is material, I guess?
It's ideological in this one. And the quick backstory, I negotiated in secret with Alejandro
Castro, Raul's son, Fidel's nephew, in Canada. They hosted the talks, the secret talks, because
they were really supportive of getting rid of the embargo. For a year and a half, we
normalize relations, but the legislative embargo is still in place, right? And so we basically
opened everything up that you could, you know, through executive action, which where you're
basically licensing all this, you know, activity, you license and travel. Americans are allowed
to travel to Cuba now. We're not going to punish you for that. It's crazy that Americans
are told you can't travel 90 miles away. By the way, I've talked to Cubans and they
They say that that was like an unprecedented prosperity for the island where they felt
for the first time ever that people could survive without having to leave.
Well, here's why Marco Rubio is full shit.
It's because they always say they wouldn't help the Cuban people.
The Cuban government had created a private sector where people could own small businesses
and that was basically restaurants, stores, taxis.
And so when Americans started traveling there in huge numbers after the Obama opening, they're
making money.
Their lives are getting better.
And then it's when Trump comes in and Rubio is in his ear that he slams that door shut.
Now that is about a couple of things.
That is about, in part, South Florida Cuban exile politics, which is about, like, you
know, settling the score, you know.
And yes, the Cuban government has done some very bad things, including to a lot of people
who left, had family members who were killed, but, you know, their property is confiscated.
But look, there's a lot we can unpack in that history.
I'll give you the example. My first meeting with Alejandro, he goes through a bill of
goods for like an hour and a half. And the negotiating partners are like, you're going
to be right for this. But all the bill of goods were things that happened. Like you
guys at the Bay of Pigs invasion, you guys tried to kill assassin Fidel Castro X number
times.
638 times.
You know, Pesada Carrioles, this guy, if you want to Google something interesting, Pesada
like relays to CIA asset, shot down a Cuban passenger airliner,
like they're all these things, right?
Yeah, oh yeah.
Yeah.
But anyway, to answer your question,
part of this is just a pathology of there's
a certain kind of South Florida politics,
and politicians like Marco Rubio, Bob Menendez,
so it's bipartisan, were basically Bob Menendez.
Some of our least corrupt politicians.
Yeah, you know, Gold bars Bob Menendez
said he was for democracy in Cuba.
And he would do things like he would
block the approval of any ambassador, you know,
if you tried to change Cuba policy
and you'd have to kind of like see,
the guy in your own party, right?
We had to do that multiple times.
So some of this is just, is diaspora politics.
And then yeah, some of it is like I was saying,
there is this kind of psychology like the Cubans beat us.
Like in 59, they ousted our guy, Batista.
This used to be kind of our playground.
And all of a sudden it moved to the left.
Then they're on the other side of the Cold War.
They stuck their thumb in our eye,
again and again and again and there are people,
this is like the Lindsey Graham, he's not a Cuban,
but he has his pathology.
We have never seen a war that he hasn't liked.
Yeah, because look, here's the thing about Cuba.
It poses no threat to the United States.
No, like I can argue the threat Iran might pose.
The funny thing is with Cuba, they're negotiating,
but nobody even knows what they're negotiating, right?
With Iran, there's something to negotiate,
like your new program.
Cuba, and if you've been there, it is in a level of poverty
that does not exist in the Americas
and barely exists in the world.
And it is largely because of our embargo.
They don't like to drive classic cars.
Millicobal is gonna get very offended that he said that.
They're gonna do standpoint epistemology on you.
Well, let me just give you an example.
We were trying to encourage investment
after the Obama opening from Europe,
because we couldn't even get it from the US.
And the Europeans were like,
we don't trust that we can invest there
without getting sanctioned by you.
And you, Obama, you're not gonna be around forever.
And so the embargo puts a total freeze
on investment into Cuba.
Guess what that does?
It fossilizes the Cuban government.
It makes him the only alternative.
If no ideas, no investment, no travelers
can get in the country, how can the place change?
And so American policy has not only failed
against its stated objective of changing Cuban regime,
it's actually been a huge ally
in kind of fossilizing the status quo in Cuba.
And now we're literally trying to starve this place to death.
And the fact that there's no discussion
around the malnutrition in Cuba,
like the unnecessary deaths that could happen,
the kind of collective punishment as policy,
that is so normalized that you don't see any discussion
of it in like mainstream media.
It's just like, you know,
will Trump get a win in Cuba?
If the wind is starving a bunch of people to death, what are you really winning? You know?
Yeah, no, absolutely. And you're 100% right Cuba presents zero threat to America. It's not I mean such an attack us
We have a fucking concentration camp that we are on like a like a lease agreement
From Cuba like that's where Guantanamo Bay is well that you know that I had it
You like this is on the nectar like so the Cubans hate that and and every year famously that there's an agreement signed
Back in the kind of colonial days where we pay like a thousand dollars a month for a year for that Fidel used to
Never cash the checks and like stack them up and stuff, but at the end of the Obama administration when
He was it was evident. He was not gonna be able to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay. I
Went to the Cubans and I was like hey, I I
Just want to know if I can make this pitch to my boss
If essentially, if we gave you guys Guantanamo back, would you keep the people that the United
States wants to keep in prison and prison?
Like, sure, we know how to keep people in prison, you know?
So I went to Obama and I was like, you know, because there are people down there like Khaled
Sheikh Mohammed, who was responsible for 9-11.
But so I went to, I was like, this is the only way to close the prison.
The only way to close the prison is to give the whole facility back to the Cubans.
And obviously, that didn't fly.
But that's a good example.
Do Americans even, why do we have a naval base in a country that doesn't want us there?
You know?
I mean, like, if we're acting in...
It's a sequence of contradictions that make no sense when you scratch the surface of it,
where you're like, none of this may...
It's 90 miles off the coastline.
It's so ridiculous.
It's so cruel.
It's so inhumane.
And it's just like all of this theatrics is like kept together by the average American's
lack of interest and lack of understanding of how these things work.
And I do think that that is to some respects by design, because if Americans were more
focused on foreign policy, I think especially if they understood the impact of foreign policy
on the domestic policy, whether it be the imperial boomerang as we were talking about
earlier or like all of the funds that are going to building bombs, they could be spent
here on our roads, on our healthcare, on our facilities, on our education. I think a lot
more America would be very frustrated. So I do think that we keep people at bay by refusing
to to let them imagine an alternative and to constantly keep them in fear in this like
panic state where we have to do, we have to destroy our enemies. They always want to get
They want to get us because they're not us can I give a specific example is that is Cuba, right?
So there's there's literally a legislative travel ban, right?
That says that Americans can travel to Cuba. We had to essentially make it so
We're not gonna enforce that we said you could travel to Cuba to have people to people exchanges
But it's basically men if you talk to Cubans you could travel to Cuba
Every American I know and I know a lot of Americans in Cuba go down there and they're like what the fuck
Like what is our government done down here? Like why are these people so poor?
And then guess what? The first thing Trump does is he shuts off that people-to-people travel.
Like they don't want you to see it. I mean, some of your viewers have probably been to Cuba.
If you've been to Cuba, you understand it's something about American foreign policy that you can't understand just sitting at home here.
You see what sanctions at that scale can do to a people. And I don't know anybody who goes there.
You see the people you're like these are not enemies like these are not my enemies
Yeah, just like regular people who are very kind people and and some of them hate the government some like the government, right?
But the you can't like Marco Rubio for instance
He's never been to Cuba, you know
I mean he comes from a Cuban family, but he's never set foot on the island
I mean if you have to go there and look at I mean, I'm not hopeful that he would change his mind
But but a lot of this is kept out of sight from people, you know
Yeah, because if they saw it, they wouldn't like it. Yeah, there's, I mean, I've had a similar
experience of this, like visiting China. I mean, I obviously had like a, in comparison to the average
American foreign policy person, I was, you know, an outright sympathizer in comparison to them. But
But I also had my worries before I traveled to China.
But seeing a government be able to develop itself and achieve sovereignty
and go through the process of their own historic struggle
and get to a point where they are forced to be reckoned with,
like a global superpower at this point,
I think that's part of what America fears, ultimately.
like they don't want, they don't want Cuba to be a normal country, but then also be communist
at the same time, because then there's the threat of that alternative right at our doorstep.
In the same way that I think the USSR, no matter how fearful Europeans were of the USSR,
there were certain aspects of USSR existence that I think played a role in pushing Europe
towards social democracy in ways that like we never had, we never experienced.
Yeah, they had communist parties.
Yeah.
they had to do things like free health care to defang the Communist Party.
Yeah, and I think that that is like an ultimate, that's the ultimate fear of, you know, the
capital owning class in general, where they're like, we don't want to, we have a really good
thing going, and we don't want to give up on that, except in the absence of that friction
in the aftermath of the dissolution of the USSR, you see without the threat of an alternative,
much a capital has dominated even Europe. European social democracy is on the brink
of collapse and what's happening as a consequence of that is the rise of fascism. As it once
did when liberalism was attempted a hundred years ago and it was also collapsing and it
was early. It was a new thing. Nation states were just being developed and not even really
developed at all. And through that process, fascism came as a force of stability. A force
of stability that capital owners aligned with. That's why titans of industry in both Nazi
Germany and in Mussolini's Italy were very much aligned with the fascist movements because
they were more fearful of the communists. And the communists were plenty at that time.
They were a force to be reckoned with. So I think one of the things that I stress all
the time because there will be people that will be critical of me even having a conversation
with you in my community regardless of your worldview being far, far outside of like the
blob as you can.
Yeah, I'm in this place where I'm like, you know, those people think I'm super radical
and some of them think I'm super like, not, you know, you know, you know, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm like stuck in this, like in between space.
Yeah.
But I'm moving, you know, but, but from my, from my perspective, it's like the alternative
to that is not business's usual liberalism. The alternative to that is not like NATO-Atlanticism
necessarily, but the alternative to that is a class-based movement.
It's a solidarity.
Yeah, exactly. Like understanding that the working class individual in Cuba has the same
exact interest as the working class individual living in West Virginia. They want to move
with their heads. They want to be able to feed their children. They want to feed themselves.
and they want to have some meaning in their lives and that's it. There's no
like evilness component in our foreign adversaries. Same goes for people living
in Iran, people living in Yemen, people living in countries that we've declared
foreign adversaries. Like they have the same exact interest that we do and I
feel like that's completely lost in American politics. I think that's right
and I think one way to think about the challenge in the world today is we
We always look at these older ideological paradigms, but essentially, we are living
through an unprecedented consolidation of power, and it's essentially, in this country,
so much of the wealth and technologies that drive our lives are in so few hands.
But if you look around the world, like what did Trump do, like if you look at his corruption,
the Emirati one is like a very good example of this.
So first of all, the Abrahamic courts are worth bringing to this.
So the Abrahamic courts happen, Emiratis are the main country normalizing relations with
Israel.
It's frame, Bahrain comes with them.
It's frame, Morocco comes with them.
It's framed as a peace deal.
These countries were not at war, you know?
Now what happens?
Well, you get all of a sudden kind of this, you know, this kind of mega rich and the Emirates,
getting like surveillance technology from Israel. Israel's got a friend in the heart of the Arab
world. The Emirates also gets like they're now at the Lusman, Washington because they did the
Emirate Accords. So then they can do things like what they're doing in Sudan, thinking that they're
not going to be held to account. But then if you look after Trump's election, an Emirati buys a 49
percent stake in world liberty financial, right? That's Trump's crypto business. Then
Then they make a $2 billion investment through Trump coin.
No, let me see here.
Right?
It seems totally above board.
Then Trump lifts the restrictions on the highest level US chips going into the Emirates.
Why do I tell this kind of story?
Because what unites Trump and tech oligarchs and Emirates and Netanyahu and, by the way,
in their own way, Putin and Erdogan,
is they're all grabbing their piece of this
while people are just getting screwed.
Like, and so I'm not limiting this to a Western criticism.
I think the Chinese Communist Party is doing this too.
Like they're in charge of the AI monopoly in China.
And there are huge majorities of people around the world
who are like, why is power just being taken,
like it's being like just drained out from us
and given to just a very solemn number of people
at the top who are either political elites, technology
elites, or kind of financial capitalist elites, right?
What you need is a solidarity movement across borders
that is just going to start dismantling that apparatus.
Or else, like, that's going to lead either to,
they'd be happy to have a series of wars.
They're going to be fine.
They're going to, their technology's
going to be used to fight the wars.
Or if you're Putin, you've got your DACA, you can go to,
Like, like, like, there's such a gap between the people who feel the consequences of what's happening in the world and the people that are driving those consequences.
And I think that's the imbalance. It feels like it's getting less sustainable to me. And you see, like, AOC and Bernie giving voice to this.
Like, the authoritarianism problem is...
I don't even think they go... I don't even think they're radical enough, I'll be honest.
love them but I think like the ways in which they should be communicating this is is like
unapologetic the language of class warfare because I think like a lot of Americans don't
think Bernie doesn't.
I think I mean even Bernie dilutes is his message quite a bit although he has such a
long history of doing exactly that that that it's a it's a little bit different but I do
think that, I mean, Euro-communism and socialism in America is a very liberalized version as
opposed to the Marx-Islandic tradition. Socialism in America is European social democracy.
Yeah, exactly. Free healthcare. Mizoran's agenda is very familiar to anyone who lives
in most European countries. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Free jockey, free healthcare. This is a modest
expansion of existing social safety nets as seen as this, like, radical change. Go on,
as far from a communist. Yeah, and it's interesting because it's like he's not even the means of
production. But even even even then, like even if someone is because I think Bernie is a Bernie
he's a socialist like he is he comes from the socialist tradition for sure. Now I was saying
he's like latest miss apps every now and then but I mean like, like he has a consistent yes,
he has a consistent socialist message for his entire career and has always been at odds with
with American foreign policy at times when it mattered.
I think like post-Yugoslavia, it's a little bit different.
Like if I look at his career as critically as possible,
I think there has been, you know,
still a consistent advocacy against like
American foreign policy at times.
But he presents himself as a social Democrat,
is what I'm trying to say.
I think, obviously, no Democrats gonna run around
advocating to develop a Marxist-Leninist vanguard
in the United States of America.
And that's not my expectation either.
But I think like as far as the language that we use,
I do think that a lot of Democrats do shy away from like saying
anything that can be immediately criticized as like,
you're a communist.
You love the USSR.
You love America's foreign adversaries.
I think like, just as Bernie played a big role
in normalizing socialism as an ideology in America
and like combating a century of red scare propaganda
and did so effectively, I think we can move,
we can push even past that.
Like we can push further from the position
that we're currently in with the language that we use.
Because otherwise you run into,
and I wanna hear about your perspective on this,
at the Munich Security Conference, AOC delivered a speech.
Now, it's not, I understand what she was saying.
I understand where she was going with said speech,
And I do think that there are some disagreements that I have with Matt Dusson, areas of tremendous
agreement that I have with Matt Dusson, especially with respect to his approach to China.
I think like their attitude to China is very good from my perspective, where they think
like no more strategic competition with China, like there are a partner and we should treat
them as a partner.
And we should negotiate things.
Yeah, exactly.
Rather than, you know, safer rattling and the posturing that we engage in.
But as far as like, harkening back to almost like a NATO-Atlanticist position, I do think
that they find themselves in between these two forces where on the one hand they're
still running a little scared on foreign policy, where they don't want to just say like,
this is, we should only care about class here.
Like, and it almost goes back to like vulgar Brandonism as I like to call it, you know,
back to like the Biden era of like a restoration of the liberal rule-based order, pre-October 7
of course. Well, I was in Munich and you know what was interesting to me about that is look,
I think that the message that she was delivering that I think was important is that they're dealing
with the rise of these fascist parties, these far-right parties across Europe. Yeah. And oftentimes
the kind of social democrat class that is kind of the governing class or the
Christian Democrat, you know, that kind of center right to center. Yeah, they're
kind of bystanders, you know, and they're like, what do they're like? Do we,
maybe we should just get harder on immigration, you know, just to Hillary
Clinton. Yeah, when if you're a voter in Europe and you want a hard-ass
immigration, like you have the people that will like Victor Orban's of the
world who would do that. And so what she's saying is like, if you guys want to be serious
about tackling the far right, it's not about talking up democracy or attacking this way.
It's about dealing with the issues that your working class is facing, that the democracy
crisis in Europe is a working class crisis. Now, the split screen problem with that in
Munich was they were all also talking about, and this is not AOC so much as a lot of the
kind of security people, how great it is that Europe is now going to spend all this money
defense because Donald Trump has bullied them into spending five percent of their GDP on defense.
It's three point five percent GDP plus they say one point five for logistics or something.
But an insane amount of money on defense, which by the way, I don't believe that they're actually
going to do. But that is a recipe for helping the far right because that's that that that like
plowing money into the fairy. Yeah, exactly. You and you're not even doing job credit. You're
You're applying money like defense technologies and stuff, right?
So like at the same time that you're like, oh, yes, we must deal with the working class,
you're having austerity to pay for your huge defense budgets that feel totally divorced
from what it feels like they're where we were at the beginning of the Biden presidency in
some respects, whereas that are they going to wake up and realize that the recipe is
not just singing from the greatest hits album of the rules based order and talking about
democracy and talking about the danger of the far right.
You have to show working class people that you're meeting them where they are.
And that includes breaking from orthodoxy on some issues where you're expected to kind
of go along with the Trump bullying you on defense spending.
Pedro Sanchez in Spain is the one leader who basically told Trump to pound sand.
He's like, I'm not spending that much on defense.
I think they spend like 1. something percent.
And his numbers went up.
And he's been governing Spain for 10 years.
He's a socialist.
Gaza, he's in a different place from most Europe. On immigration, he just...
There are still limitations, unfortunately, to what they can do.
He may not be where you are, but like...
Oh, no, no, no. I just meant like there are...
Like, when you're in the EU, there are severe restrictions on like how far you can go.
I mean, Ireland is another great example of this.
Like, these are countries that have been on the right side of history for a very long time.
And there's limitations to what they can and can't do, unfortunately.
But I think if you look at Sanchez, for instance,
he's doing the things that we're talking about in the sense that he's pursuing socialist policies,
he's not caving into immigration, he's taking a stand on Gaza, he's not spending money on defense,
he's showing the king, he keeps getting rewarded for it, he's been in power 10 years now, he'll
lose at some point, but you know he's had a 10-year run there and and so I think that I see your
point on AOC, look I she's there to kind of begin to get her reps on the world stage, that's what
What it felt like to me is this is a person that has ambitions that go beyond being Congress,
maybe run for president, and I'm going to kind of take my message at home to this place.
I will say what was interesting to me being there is all the coverage was like Tisk Tisk
on her Taiwan answer.
All people, every young person there wanted to be in the room with AOC in Europe, like
she has the star power that no American politician has that type of discovery.
Taiwan answer is because of our policy, our longstanding policy in Taiwan is called strategic
ambiguity, which is another word for lying.
But we're not going to tell you it's a word for we're not going to tell you yeah it's
like oh no you're the one China totally Taiwan like because in the American government you
were in the American government.
Taiwan is is a part of China in the American government's like official language.
That's our agreement with China from 1971.
It's also out to the great Maoist Richard Nixon and the other great Maoist Henry Kissinger.
The only good thing that they did probably, which was the recognition of the people's
Republic of China.
But they did, well that and also I guess EPA, Nixon is an interesting character.
I mean, he's horrible.
I mean, I don't know if you want to go into Taiwan, do you want to do the little Taiwan
or?
Oh, we can talk about Taiwan.
What I find complicated about Taiwan is this, is that, and look, I don't know if I were,
know, like the goal of the policy should be no war over Taiwan. And I'll get to kind
of one way you might do that. But when we made that deal, the people running Taiwan
believed that there was one China, right? So Chen Kaishak leaves China with a couple
million people, all the gold takes over all the gold takes over Taiwan is a brutal US
backed authoritarian leader who believed that they're the legitimate government in exile
on Taipei. And so they didn't eject necessarily to the idea of one China. Now, the DPP that
currently runs, governs Taiwan, they were the opposition movement that overturned the
authoritarian system. And they're like, we're not Chinese. Like, Chiang Kai-shek is the
one who came here and said, we're all Chinese. And so I have a lot of sympathy for younger
people I know in Taiwan who are like, there are all these deals that have been made over
our heads. Our ancestors have been living here for hundreds of years. It was only Chiang
guy Shaker came here and said, we're all China.
I'm not suggesting that that means you
abrogate the one China policy.
I think what you want to try to put this,
and sometimes the best thing you do in foreign policy
is just try to push off a problem.
Let's get into some negotiations here.
Let's start talking about this.
Instead of just threatening each other,
arming everybody to the teeth, and kind of building up
to some climax where the Chinese might try to invade
or blockade Taiwan, and will the United States come to rescue,
why are we doing more to try to avoid that outcome diplomatically you know i
think i think the real reason is because and maybe this is where you and i
diverge but like
i think
it is in i mean i think it was mal who said it or it was like uh...
there's two
there's two islands of of of empire like western imperialism in
in the far east is taiwan and in the near east it's israel and i feel like it's
like a base of operations for america to constantly have this like
potential destabilization force
notwithstanding like the actual will of the population because
let's be real i don't think america really cares about it that much i think
it's good for arguments you can always use it as a medicus care about the
semiconductor uh... they care about the semiconductor industry and they more so
just care about like having
something on the thorn of china this like a behemoth that has exploded in size
and and uh...
and in prowess around the globe.
So as far as like Taiwan goes,
I mean, I look at their public approvals fairly closely
and their attitude always is we like having one foot
in China and one foot in the Western world,
and they don't wanna break the status quo.
They actually don't want to be independent
and have a US military base there.
They like the status quo.
Yeah, because it's very beneficial for them
when you get to, because I have Taiwanese relatives,
and some of them live here.
One of them is married to my uncle, Jank, Jank Lever.
What do they want the outcome of this whole thing to do?
They feel a sense of pride
because of China's prosperity,
but they don't, at least one of them
does not like the Chinese government,
but they still feel this like sense of Chinese prosperity.
It's very interesting.
Look what we built, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cause it's like, cause it is pretty hard,
especially when you go there and you're like,
what the fuck?
These guys were on the ship high.
Yeah, you're like, this is crazy.
I mean, the hotel I stayed in was like a barren wasteland
20 years ago and now there's like towering skyscrapers
everywhere.
And then with my other relative, I mean,
he works in China, he works in Shenzhen, right?
So he's like, he's, he's living in China, right?
Mainland China.
So it's, they, they see it as like they,
they're not like as a hard line as, as Americans presented.
And there are certainly a lot of people from Taiwan here
that are hardliners definitely.
And that's, that happens like the diaspora population
usually has that, but, but at the end of the day,
they're like, they're Han Chinese and they, they see that
And they see that as like a united point of prosperity.
But I want to just come back to the AOC point,
because the goal for the test of these people
should not be whether you can stand up
at a conference with a bunch of elites
and recite a formula that is the right answer in Taiwan.
The goal is to have a worldview that makes sense to people.
And so she gets all this shit for not pivoting immediately
to like, we have policy of strategic ambiguity
And like, that's the wrong end.
Like, why is the test of becoming president
your capacity to kind of recite words
that have no meaning to most people?
And this is the problem I have with National Security
and I'm trying to demystify it
and how I try to talk about it.
I'm not saying I get that right all the time,
but it is designed to exclude people.
Like the language of it makes no sense to people.
It's all these acronyms or it's like
these opaque readouts of meetings
we had full and frank conversations about the full range of bilateral issues and they're not
actually telling you the truth, right? And I think part of what we need to do is just change the
language, you know, and talk to people. Why can't we just have a serious conversation, like this
kind of conversation where it's like, this is a real fucking problem, man, because the Chinese
are not going to let this go like this. They see this as part of their territory. They see it as
indistinguishable from Tibet or Hong Kong. That's what the US has agreed to. We have one China policy.
There's some people here, though, who are really nervous about what that means for them,
because they kind of like that they have freedoms in Taiwan, they're on China.
So what do we do about that? Like, why can't we just name these things and talk about them
instead of retreating behind these kind of carefully drafted, you know, formulas that
have been, it's like the two states, you know, I believe in two states side by side,
living in peace and security, that language has no relevance in the physical universe,
you know, like it's just something that politicians say to avoid having to actually
tell you what they think about what's happening in the West Bank.
Absolutely. But that's precisely the reason why they do that. They do that to
escape from the truth. They do that to not have these critical conversations.
And I think in many instances, I mean, look, I talk to a lot of politicians. I talk to a lot of
consultants and analysts. I'm gonna be honest, a lot of them haven't really thought about it.
Yeah. Like they just haven't. It's much easier for them to just repeat whatever this
preconceived talking point is because if they were to expend a great deal of time learning
about it, reading the history and developing like a truly coherent world view around what
must be done in these places, I think all of a sudden you're putting yourself at odds
with like the rest of the country because the rest of the country doesn't give a shit.
Sometimes they're very antagonistic towards your worldview.
I see that all the time. From my perspective on American foreign policy, but there's a yeah, but most Americans are like
You know they they want to believe the good story, right?
They want to believe there were sanctioning countries to help them like if there was more information
You know, I think you might get different outcomes because in Iraq
They had good information because they had relatives fighting in that war coming home being like this is a fucking shit show
You know, yeah, now
I think there are a couple things though about the incentive structures for people in these jobs
One is jobs, so I can tell you, and I'm not saying this to toot my horn
It's just the reality of who I was I left the Obama administration because I'd negotiated the normalization relations with Cuba
And because I've been kind of the frontman for the JCPOA with Iran. I made a bunch enemies
I I really
Yeah, I feel like we share a lot of enemies we I mean I'd block you
you massage people spying. I mean, that's all the story. But, but essentially, and I started
my podcast and I start, I had to deprogram a little bit because I was talking like I
used to talk in government, you know, you know, and then I was like, I just like, but
then to talk honestly about say Israel, Palestine or Cuba is to ensure that you're not going
to be confirmed to a job in the future administration. And I can tell you that there are a lot of
people that just self-censor because they're like, it's not worth if I make these enemies,
My career is cooked.
Then the other problem that you put your finger on that is so, so important is it is amazing
given the awesome power that the United States has in the world, how little people in positions
of power interact with people in these countries.
I mean, I have African friends who rightly like, you know, beat the shit out of me when
I left government because they're like, we could have told you, you were back in the
wrong people in Afghanistan.
They're like, we hate the Taliban, but we fucking hate all these corrupt warlords that you were backing who are the same people that were repressing us when the Taliban wasn't in power?
And, and, and I said to them, honestly, I was like, you know what, in all the meetings I was in, in the situation about Afghanistan, there was never an Afghan in the room.
This is a bunch of us, like, like, you know, talking about a country that most of us had never really been to, right?
And so if there needs to be much more of a feedback loop, you know, if you are hearing from and talk and I tried to do this when I was in government
I certainly do this on Cuba
If you're hearing from people from these actual places
Like you get a perspective that you're never gonna get a think tank in Washington. Yeah, where it's all about how can I make this same talking points?
Sound a little smarter, you know in my paper than the last one
And it's not informed by the views of the countries that we are actually operating it. Yeah, no
it's mind-boggling how sheltered the average American foreign policy person is. They get all
the reading in a one-directional way in some of these best institutions that are, I think,
specifically teaching them this stuff so they can go and work at the same think tanks that also
are churning out the same policy papers over and over again, and that creates this very weird,
self-reinforcing propaganda apparatus that traps a lot of politicians, the exception
of what we would maybe even consider like cranks.
And I have a lot of love for people like that.
I wouldn't even say that Mike Ravel's a crank, right?
I don't think he's a crank, but he came across as one because of his consistent advocacy
against American foreign policy, right?
We used to have that, that was a tradition in American Congress.
And I feel like, especially in the age of domestic polarization, where basically if
you live in a rural area, if you live in the suburbs, you're more likely to vote Republican.
If you live in a city, you're more likely to vote Democrat.
And that polarization is completely set in where everybody has a party line and they
don't even get punished for working against the interests of their constituents as long
as long as they're like, you know, in line with the rest of the party, um, we don't really
have independent thinkers any longer or people who like genuinely make certain causes there,
their lives mission. Yeah. Even though you do every now and then have a guy like Tim
Kane, who is like consistent on some of these issues and you're like, what the fuck is
Tim Kane? Yeah. One of the main voices saying we mustn't go to war with Iran. That's interesting
though because Tim Kane's one good example and then there are other ones on Cuba. But
On Tim Kaine, I'd say, I met Tim Kaine around 2008
when I was working in the Obama campaign.
And he was just, I think he ran for Senate around that time.
He, right away, he had this view that the president should
not be able to go to war without authorization from Congress.
And he's been absolutely consistent on it.
Doesn't matter what the war is, doesn't
matter if the president is Obama or Trump or Biden,
like he's on it.
And we need more people like that.
I think if you're in Congress, it's important to not,
You don't need to be an expert on every issue.
I'd actually much rather you just become the person
that really fucking cares about this thing or that.
Like on Cuba, when we did the opening,
Barbara Lee had deep connections in Cuba.
Karen Bass, who is the mayor here,
got in hot water actually when she was being vetted for VP
because she spent so much time in Cuba in the 70s.
Jim McGovern, another guy who can get called a crank sometimes.
But these people had deep relationships in Cuba
and they knew the harm that had been done there.
And when I talked to them, it was like so wildly
a different perspective than I'd get from someone
who was a foreign policy expert in Congress,
who was just like, well, the Cuban government is bad
for these reasons, and maybe we tweak the policy this way,
but God forbid we think about actually changing it.
And so I think you do need those people
that are willing to really burrow in on these things
and become advocates, because they can make a difference.
No, for sure.
I try to urge every congressperson
to talk to you to be that person, but I do see very real either disinterest or like fear
of like going against the grain. And I think now is the best time because there's peer
pressure inside those caucuses. Yeah, but right now is the best possible time to make
that bold statement, especially because like if there's any silver lining to Donald Trump,
shattering how politics was conducted in this country. It's that. With AOC's, you know,
Taiwan answer, going back to that, everyone is panning it. They even did the no edit.
Like I think it was Politico that did the, the shitty edit where they just go put the
OZ and OMS in there. Like you clean up Trump every day. Yeah, that's fucking bullshit.
We all know what you're doing, right? Yeah. Um, but again, like a Trump, I think about
like a leftist Trump, right? Obviously, there's a lot of structural hurdles against such a thing.
But, but like a, like a leftist Trump, how would it leftist Trump answer that question? Like,
why do I care about it? I mean, they're Chinese, let him be a little bit, you know,
something like that with, with delivered with confidence, I think would be appealing to Americans
broadly. I think Americans will go, yeah, why do I care about that? To me, my version of that answer,
Which is somebody's probably, you know, is just like, you know, I just, my policies,
we should try to not have a word there, you know, and I wasn't even saying like, this
is my positive.
I'm just saying like, what would, what would like a like a socialist Trump respond to that?
That's what he says.
Like I'm talking to someone's happening.
Yeah.
Because you used to say that with, with Iran, like he'd be like, in 2015, there was a point
where they asked him about like intervention in Iran.
And this is, I guess, like before he really, before, you know, Mary Madison or Sheldon
Allison told him what to say about it, right?
And he was like, they're telling me we got to go there, you know, because they're making
women cover their faces.
And he's like, and he was saying, like, you know, it's probably easy for women to wear
the hijab.
I asked them, they said they want to wear the hijab.
He's like, they want to wear it.
They don't have to put makeup on.
I'll tell you a story about Cuba that illustrates both how Trump is different, also how he ended
being full of shit. During the primary, the Republican primary, we, when we did the, we
done the Cuban normalization, Trump was asked about, he's like, ah, you know, I think it's
fine. Like maybe I get a better deal, but it's fine. And then I heard in 2016 that Trump,
the Trump organization was down in Cuba, scouting real estate properties because they wanted
to develop hotels and golf course. I'm going to be honest, I wish they were still invested
Yeah, that's what that's what Trump would absent any if Trump was Trump like his deal
He would have gotten the power in 2017 and said hey, I can I want the Trump
Organization to develop all the keys off of the coast of Cuba, but instead he got co-opted by these hardliners
You know in South Florida and he just turns on a dime, right?
And so he's he's not the pop like I agree with you
his critiques of American foreign policy sometimes completely overlap with some
my critiques, but he doesn't even act on those critiques. I think
there's an opportunity though because he's like a hurricane who's blowing
everything down and the good news about that is none of this Biden stuff like
America's back and you know like no when you have a hurricane you don't renovate
you rebuild something different you know and so we have this opportunity on the
back end of this, assuming there is a back end, to not just
kind of tinker around the edges, but to actually imagine a
totally different kind of international order. Like, that's
what should we be telling the Chinese about that? Like, what
are we doing together on climate on AI instead of AI race? Like,
how about putting some fucking guardrails around this
technology? So it doesn't take all our jobs and become autonomous
weapons, you know, there's a lot of stuff to talk to the
Chinese about. But if you're in like a race with them on
everything or co-word them on everything, like you're not going to solve this problem.
And from what I understand, talking to like even Chinese dissidents and people who are
very supportive of the Chinese government, the consistent thing that I hear is that China
is incredibly responsive to America, to whatever America is saying around the world and whatever
America is saying about China.
So in moments where they feel as though America might take an adversarial tone against China,
they really add more domestic repression because they're like, we don't want any sort of instability
in the country.
I guess maybe America shouldn't know about that because then they're going to keep doing
it.
And I mean, I guess they're doing it regardless.
like the way I mean the way I see it I oh one one thing I did want to talk to you
about was specifically Ukraine is I think a lot of people look to October 7 is
like the complete shattering of like the international rule-based order right but
I think it was before then all the cracks are there yeah I think well I mean
yeah it was from my perspective from my tradition obviously this was always a
is a sham, and I believe that it was purely,
this design was purely beneficial to like
Western capital interests, a constant imperialism,
extraction of natural resources from the periphery
from the global south, creating like a more
pliant labor force that we can use in abuse
and offshoring our domestic industries,
which led to crippling austerity and worse material
conditions for the American labor force overall.
But I do think that Russia's actions in Ukraine
and then October 7, so closely packaged together
is what completely shattered people's understanding of this.
And I don't think we've experienced
the repercussions of that yet.
I don't think that like, I think the world is only now
revolting against it when you see, you know, protests,
like steady protests in European capitals
against like their government's lack of interest
in issuing any sort of condemnation towards Israel.
It's making people realize that maybe liberal democracy
is not working.
And I don't think a lot of leadership understands that.
Like I don't think the American government
is aware of it even.
I think they just kind of are like, oh no,
it's gonna be fine.
We're gonna put the cat back in the bag.
Yeah, I mean,
there's all built in hypocrisy in American foreign policy.
But when you stand up like the Biden administration did
and say, Vladimir Putin is a war criminal
because the ICC got an indictment out on him
because he's killed Ukrainian kids
and kidnapped Ukrainian kids, all true,
and then turn around and condemn the ICC,
the same ICC that is prosecuting this same war crimes, right?
Like literally, like with Greta,
yeah, the killing of children,
the collective punishment of the population,
And you are then the amount you don't need to be a foreign policy expert. No, you don't have to there's no nuance or it's complicated
That is fucking bullshit, right? Yeah, and if your rules-based order is essentially we get to select
When we use these tools to punish only our geopolitical adversaries and we are completely immune for many of that
Then there is no rules-based order already, right? Yeah, and that I think that's the it was like the curtain being pulled back
It's the third world's position, ironically. It's like something from my...
It's not new to anybody from, you know...
I grew up in Turkey, so my understanding was exactly this.
And when I brought it to America, people did not like it at all when I say,
for years and years, from my own personal experience, like, when I did this advocacy,
when I talked about foreign policy from the perspective of like the victims of American
Empire, American imperialism, people would say, I'm an America hater, I hate America,
to get the FARC out of the country. But I think now it's infinitely easier for Americans to even
understand as well. It is. It is. It is. And Park has, the Emperor hasn't closed like that. The
Iraq war, from the Iraq war, I mean, the idea that the people in charge kind of could be trusted
to know what they were doing after that, I feel like that was shattered, you know. And that was
20-plus years ago now, right? And people just keep getting that confirmed for them, right?
So whatever emerges on the other side of this is going to have to look different necessarily
from what came before. Now the danger, the Ukraine piece though, is that the one thing that the
rules-based order succeeded in is preventing a World War III, right? So like all kinds of other
That and nuclear war, no war or three.
And so when all of a sudden you have one of the major powers, you know, invading and
violating the sovereignty of another one.
And now Trump's doing the same.
I mean, we've, we've done it.
So I like the rock war, like I'm not suggesting we hadn't done it either.
So Iraq was a big part of this too.
I think someone could fairly point out that it wasn't Ukraine.
It was Iraq where suddenly post-Cold War, it was like, wait a second, now that there's
no Cold War, no risk of World War III, no risk of nuclear armed conflict between the
U.S. and Soviet Union, that was America saying, well, that means now we can do whatever we
want. And so Putin was like, well, why can't I do whatever I want? I don't think that makes
him right in any way, shape, or form. I think what he's doing is horrific. But the danger
is the reason you really do need rules is because when there are no rules, you get
nationals and kind of run amok and and the wrong strongman comes along and
All the sudden the great powers are bumping into each other in Taiwan and in the Arctic or in Eastern Europe
And then we're in a whole different fucking ballgame. Yeah, I mean, it's it's still proxies
Like I don't I don't foresee this turning into like, you know, state versus state warfare
Especially between nuclear arms states. Yeah, but of course the proxies are so
So a devastating for those who are stuck in the middle, middle powers.
If you're in Sudan or if you're in...
Yeah.
Or yeah, even if you're just a middle power and you're just like, I'm just trying to
like negotiate trade deals and figure out like how to get clean energy, you know?
Yeah.
Like, and I've got these lunatics fighting over my heads, you know?
So what do you...
Where do you think we go from here with Ukraine in particular?
is like, I think as much as I want to criticize Trump, and I certainly do criticize Trump
in the way that he's handled Ukraine, like the showboating, the weird admiration or not
even admiration for Putin, but like the ways in which he talks about Ukraine versus the
ways in which he talks about Vladimir Putin, I think has offered setbacks to Ukraine as
as well. Like, it's definitely embarrassed Zelensky, for sure, and that's not helpful
for anyone really other than, I guess, it does help Russia quite a bit. But I think
he also recognizes his powerlessness, because like a lot of people in the national security
apparatus have this attitude where it's like, no, no, no, as long as we just like keep giving
guns to Ukraine, they'll just keep putting on a fight. And now it's in a stalemate,
one that is actually a beneficial stalemate for Russia.
Because it's bigger. And so a stalemate favor is a bigger party.
Exactly. And I don't know, like, I mean, what Trump said to Zelensky was, you don't have
the cards. But I don't think Trump holds the cards either. Because in the absence of, like,
somehow trying to force the hand of India to no longer be a secondary market for Russian
energy to enter the, you know, international marketplace, which is also going to be impossible
because why would India do that? India is making a lot of money as a mediator and India can
go to China as you also pointed out. Like, there's not really a lot of additional pressures
that they can apply to Russia other than just like trying to come to a managed solution.
And as long as Vladimir Putin knows that and he understands the domestic pressures that
Trump has as far as like promising that he was going to end the war day one, he has not
a lot of room here for negotiation.
And I think that's a hard recognition to come to if you are a national security guy, especially
in comparison to like the last 50, 60 years, or especially the last 30 years, right?
i don't think america has the same motion that it did the same power that it
did uh... in in terms of like dealing with foreign adversaries that are crazy
enough to go out and
and engage in like
military action
so here's what i'd say and and
uh... here's where i probably do put a little bit more currency into
alliances and the whole transatlantic uh... arrangement
i agree that the the the best case that the there was something
Ghoulish about a certain kind of national security mindset of like this is great
We'll keep arming them. Yeah, and they'll weaken the Russians and you know
We get to make heroic speeches while the Ukrainians are fighting and dying on the front lines
And actually there was a very counterproductive raising of expectations. Yeah, like victories at hand if you're reading like you know
The Atlantic it was always like victories around the corner the counteroffensive is gonna work
You know, yeah, and and I think the best case scenario for Ukraine at this point is
is what it they're gonna lose territory like they're not gonna reclaim Crimea
they're not gonna reclaim the parts of the Luhansk and Donetsk and eastern Ukraine that Russia occupies
But if they can preserve their sovereignty
You know that they're not gonna be invaded again by Russia and and become attached to
You know
They won't what they want is essentially to be in Europe in Europe in the European Union
Let's put not NATO because I in NATO you're not gonna you know, I don't think Americans are near to war
I don't think you have to get every NATO country to agree that you will go to war for Ukraine. Yeah, that's not gonna happen
so essentially if you if you could see ceasefire the conflict and then use that ensuing time to like
like incorporate Ukraine into institutions
and to fortify them through reconstruction
and economic arrangements as a part of Europe.
And they could look up in 20 years,
and they've lost territory.
They may never recognize that that territory isn't theirs.
But they're a sovereign country, and the people there
can live in peace and have arrangements with Europe.
That would be great for them.
It wouldn't be great, it's the wrong word.
That would be the best outcome available to them right now.
What would be great to them is obviously
to have their entire sovereignty.
I think the reason Trump's behavior makes that worse
is that's kind of all premised on political agreement
among the United States and Europe
about what the plan is.
How is Ukraine going to be rebuilt?
How is Ukraine going to be incorporated into the EU?
What is the nature of the Ukrainian military such that, you know, it's sufficient that Russia won't want to invade them again.
And when Putin's negotiating across the table, and he sees everybody on the other side of the table fighting with each other,
he sees Trump beating up on Zelensky, he sees Trump, you know, freaking out the Europeans that he's going to invade Greenland,
then that makes the negotiation so much easier for him.
Because he didn't just keep grinding away the Ukrainians, he, you know, the attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure has gone way up since
Trump became president. And I don't think that's a coincidence. And it's not about arms, it's
about the political circumstance. It's that my these guys are fighting with each other. So I can
just kind of do what I want here. And so that's why I think also because of Israel do like we're
so hyper focused on like defensive Israel, even though it's well that after October 7th, you
could feel the tension shift. It was like a spotlight that had been on Ukraine just moves
over here. And suddenly we're sending arms there. And the Biden administration is spending all its
time there instead of on Ukraine, you know.
And that too advantaged Putin, right?
Like Putin was at his weakest in this conflict
when there was a kind of political consensus.
This is wrong.
We support the Ukrainians.
I mean, the ICC thing we just talked about, too.
That helped Putin, too.
Because, you know, it might have been uncomfortable
for certain countries to host Vladimir Putin, who
were ICC signatories.
But after October 7th and after what
happened with the ICC, where the US is attacking the ICC
and sanctioning the ICC, well, then it's
like, well, these, you know, I don't play about these rules. Yeah. So it just, that's,
that's my opinion to Alaska. Yeah. So it's, it's not that I, yeah, he's in the workroom
looking to Alaska. Yeah. Just like, no, now he's come here, like how I can't lost. I mean,
that's different. That's like, it's little Israel's little America. So, but it, so it's,
I think that the outcome again, this is one of the things where I can agree with Trump's
kind of impulse, like stop this war. It's not going well. People are just getting killed.
he's not like what the way he's going about it is is is making that in some ways harder because
Putin Putin doesn't have an incentive to stop you know like he's like these guys are as long as
these guys are arguing with each other I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing you know yeah
I just don't I don't see anything like I don't see any like a reasonable way out of it and
for years people yelled at me because I said uh like leading up to uh leading up to versus
invasion or even after versus invasion I said like the the best possible outcome would have been
a firm commitment to like men's, which, you know.
Which we was negotiated when Obama was president.
Yeah, but that would have been the best option.
And then the, what was it?
The 18 point plan right after the Keev offensive halted
was again, an incredible exit ramp.
And Zelensky is apparently pressured to not accept it.
So I said that at the time, like,
cause it came so close to like a Boris Johnson visit.
Yeah, that that I thought that was like, you know strange timing at the very least to say the least and people fucking kept saying
I'm pro-russia. I'm pro-russia for this
Not realizing that like I wanted to
You know, I I saw that this was going to be devastating for
Ukrainians and even devastating for for Russia as well
and and now we're just kind of stuck in the situation and what was wrong about that too is it like there's there is a
a complete lack of understanding of Russian history, right?
Like if you look at Russian history,
they're gonna be okay with the war of attrition, right?
So the idea, the kind of triumphalist idea was
they tried to take Kiev in fields,
and so they're gonna lose this war.
And so we just, you know, we'll start arming them.
But Russia is a bigger country,
and they have a leader who doesn't care
about his casualty reign.
And they have a history of doing that.
They throw people at the ball.
The Red Army, under Stalin, right?
like you can go back into the 19th century,
like they fought wars of attrition.
And so the mistake was that somehow time was gonna be
on the side of the Ukrainians.
Like time is gonna be inside of the bigger country,
particularly a country like Russia
that has shown that it will absorb tremendous losses
like that.
So it was a missed opportunity in retrospect.
And I get you were there at the time.
Yeah, and everyone, no one has stopped.
I mean, there's still a lot of,
I mean, they're, they're not as loud as they used to be, weirdly enough, but there's like
a, there's like a sector of like NATO Twitter that, that I'm sure are in your guys's replies
as well. Whenever I do like a, like a pod save America appearance or whatever they're
like, this guy's a Russian asset. It's like I've, I'm not a fan of, of Vladimir Putin.
I mean, you can say I have sympathies for the project of the USSR, even though I understand
the excesses and all of the problems, but Russia is not the USSR at all. It's a capitalist
oligarchy that is engaging in irredentist actions.
The thing that drives me nuts is when Republicans call Putin a communist. I don't like Putin
because he's actually, for a lot of reasons, but he's the worst manifestation of the kind
of power structure we're talking about. It's like a super rich guy who runs the country
and takes all of its resources and gives it to his friends. And then represses everybody
else. Like, like, like he is like that playbook is being replicated in country after country,
right? And, and that's my beef with Putin, not that he's a communist, you know, he's
anything but yeah, he's also very disrespectful to the little London, which I think is completely
unacceptable. So yeah, it's just it's ridiculous. But like, I think a lot of people do rely on like,
like people's lack of curiosity. Yeah, they're Russian. They think communist. Yeah.
Um, but I do think that like, even with what Russia has done so far, I think like,
like, if they, if they approach the subject of Ukraine, or any sort of like intervention
that they found to be dangerous from like Western interference that they found to be
dangerous, because like, let's be real, there, there is Western intervention in Ukraine,
there was Western intervention in Ukraine, not to justify like an invasion, but you
know, I do think that national endowment for democracy, civil society organizations, things
of that nature are like once that gear, once those gears start turning, all of the countries
that we have designed as foreign adversaries, they see that and they think, oh, this is
going to happen.
But I think Russia's approach to it should have been similar to like what China is doing
usually whenever, whenever there's any sort of like, whenever there's any sort of instability
or any sort of fear. And what I mean by that is, they're an energy behemoth. They already
had decent negotiations and decent contracts with European countries. They should have
just been like, no, we're an energy provider. We don't need to like, we don't need to go
and invade Ukraine and kill a bunch of Ukrainian people.
We can use that leverage. Yeah, because, because I think what's interesting with the national
down for democracy stuff is also do you want water? Oh, yeah, sure. That whole democracy
funding apparatus, right? And so for people who don't follow this, this is basically like
a grand giving.
Oh, people follow it.
Okay, okay. So maybe they don't have the same opinion of NED as you might, but...
No, because I see the critique. When you start that in the 90s in Central and Eastern Europe,
and you're pushing against this kind of open door, and then it just keeps moving east.
And Putin's view is, what's complicated is that Ukraine, he fundamentally doesn't see
as distinct from Russia, right?
Yeah, for sure.
So he sees it as kind of, and that's where you get the discordance.
But that model needs to change.
That model...
And he said it as such for the record.
I think this is a dugonist approach, like it's not, I don't lend that much credence
like the national security argument. Although I do think it's a concern, I think there's probably
a different ambition there, which is to restore the might of some sort of Russian empire. Leave
a lasting legacy as this great power in the world. To your point, though, because it was just that
this is where I break a bit from the people. Because I agree, NATO enlargement to Ukraine and
in Georgia, Bush did that on the way out the door, right?
And that was never gonna be approved by NATO.
Because there's NATO, and if you look at it,
the first thing Putin did after that is invaded Georgia.
I mean, everybody forgets the Georgia invasion.
It started in Crimea, it started in Georgia.
And, but if he really wanted to just,
if he had the narrow objective of making,
of getting, you know, making sure that Ukraine
isn't gonna be in NATO, he had sufficient leverage
with energy to bring about, you know, to make it such that there's no way every NATO country
is ever going to agree to bring Ukraine in. I think he did have a Duganist, like this
is part of the Russian imperial space. We go back to Kyiv-Rus. I mean, he's written
about it. I think you believe it.
I think so, too. He's also talked about it with Tucker Carlson for hours on it. Tucker
was like, can you simplify this? And he was like, hold on, let me explain it to you in
greater detail. I've been in the room with Putin, and it's interesting, like Obama would,
when he went into Crimea, and then he, you know, then they had these kind of Russian-backed
separatists that they were arming in Luhansk and Nenetsk, Obama would keep pressing him like,
what are you trying to achieve? Like Obama's a very rationalist person, right? Like I need to know,
because we're kind of in a negotiation here, and it's a negotiation that led up to Minsk,
What are you trying to achieve? And instead of answering the question would always fresher to Obama
he would go into history and and it could be
pretty ancient history too wasn't his native and
And but that was it in a way his answer, you know, like his answer was I'm trying to restore the historical greatness of Russia
Yeah, he's trying out our boundaries
He's trying to do a little bit of like I mean this is an attitude that I've seen in China
both personally seen in China, but also I've seen with like Chinese domestic policy in terms of like
Stamping out any sort of like separationist movement like separate this movement. Yeah, is that there he sees
Ukraine as a part of Russia
Like he I think he's like those are not that's not a separate almost like China looks at Tibet
You know, yeah, is like this is this is just historic Russia. This is historic China and and and that's it
Like he just he wants to achieve it for either personal ambitions or for personal
You know or or because he believes in this like grand historical reason it doesn't matter ultimately he just wants to
to
Bring it under the banner of the Russian Federation
But I guess the difference is
With respect to like Tibet or or you know autonomous regions in Taiwan or Taiwan
you know, there is like Hong Kong, you know, they're they're like they're they're machinations have been very different
I the reason why I say Tibet especially because he's like
Even the CIA gave up on it
I think it was like literally in the in the 60s, right where they were like, yeah, we're not even gonna try this
It's fine. I
Think and look, you know, the National Endowment and Democracy point take in I do think that one of the things it did seem like he was
was somewhat surprised by the sense of Ukrainian nationalism after both 2014 and 2022.
I think he genuinely believed that there were, maybe not everybody, but there were at least
more people in Ukraine that would have had an affinity for wanting to be a part of Russia.
And I do think genuinely that what we saw in Ukraine over the last decade is whether
there are any deep people or not that the the Ukrainians think of themselves as
Ukrainian not all you know there's some people I think that are probably more
I mean Crimea Crimea is interesting because we always get attacked for not
doing more to stop that but I was gonna bring it up but I'm glad you are nobody
fought back you know now now 75% if the same if the Tardis of the no no no but
I'm saying like but the Tartars would have already been displaced like a long
time I go under the USSR and like the Russification initiatives have been set in motion far before
then.
Stalin, yeah.
And yeah, exactly.
So it's not like Crimea was comprised of people that like ethnically identified and
had sympathies for Russia and also Sevastopol was already like on a loaner agreement to
Russia anyway.
It was this entry point into the Black Sea.
So like, of course, they were like, no, this is where our military bases.
These are our military, this is an extension of Russia basically and it was a mistake to
give up on it in the 90s was their attitude overall and not only that, but also like
you said, the annexation of Crimea was very different endeavor in comparison to what we
have seen for the last four years now.
And the resist, I mean, look, I'm against annexing borders, whoever's doing it, whether
it's the Golan Heights or Crimea or whatever.
But it is the case that, and this happened, what was interesting is they've moved into
Crimea, I remember, like it happened like this, and I get called in the Situation Room, they're
in charge of government buildings, there's no fighting happening, and it's a fate of
complete essentially.
Now, when they moved into Donetsk and Luhansk, immediately people were fighting back.
And so it was interesting, and even other regions, like, because here's the thing, Eastern
Ukraine had, like the further east you go in Ukraine, the more people were sympathetic
to Russia.
Or their Russian speakers.
Exactly.
And that was the case, I think, before the invasion.
And I think that might have played a role in why Vladimir Putin thought that they would
be ironically enough, welcome dis liberators. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's the same
mistake. Yeah. Because now you look at it. They were not welcome to
liberate at all. Because like when you blow up the the entire, you know, we
blow up an entire block of the city, even if you're in Kharkiv, for example,
which again, if you look at polls before the invasion, that's what I was
going to point to are much more sympathetic to Russia and post
invasion. Of course, they're not sympathetic to Russia because they're
like, no, you fucking killed my grandparents. Kharkiv, which you know,
was imprudence. Mine was probably like this big Russian speaking city on the
border, they are now like adamantly Ukrainian nationalists there because
their whole city has been bombed and the power has been cut off, you know, and
this is why war's statecraft is the best way to turn off the very population
that you're seeking to control, you know. So it's gonna be, I left, I mean I was in
Munich and this, I left pretty depressed because I don't see the path to ending
this anytime soon, because Prudin feels like he's grinding them down. There's not an agreed-upon
kind of negotiating strategy among the Ukrainians and the Europeans and the Americans. And it just
feels like this, you know, I don't know, it just feels like a lot of people are suffering
for inches of territory at a time. Yeah, it's pretty devastating. It's horrible to see, but
There are people making money off of it. There are people making money off it. The military industrial complex is dumping is offloading their
Surplus weapons are like older equipment and then you go back to the government and you get at well
We just you know our supplies diminish. We got to get new weapons now. We got to build new weapons
You get to test out
New procurement strategies new strategies and warfare in general. I feel like we're moving in the direction of drone warfare pretty
That's a hugely important point. Yeah
It's a lab, it's a lab for AI, drones, autonomous warfare.
The Russian military has, you know, all these, for all these national security types, you
were like, they're going to be weakened in this fight.
The way they've innovated on the battlefield, they have a much more capable military today
than they did three, four years ago in the war.
And those technologies are much more affordable.
And not only that, but also they also created a unique opportunity for destabilization in
countries that America also wants to keep destabilized to a certain degree.
The cartel in Helisco, the CGNG, the new generation, cartel, Helisco, new generation, Almecho was
executed in an operation this past week.
And I was fascinated after looking into it a little bit,
I found out that the Jalisco cartel, largest cartel in Mexico,
maybe even the largest drug dealer enterprise in the world,
they were sending their troops, they
were sending their hitmen to Ukraine
to learn about drone warfare, and they brought back those techniques to Mexico.
This is why it's not good to have all these wars going.
I mean, there are a lot of reasons why it's not good.
But they get other wars, or they get other violence, or they get other capabilities.
We're living with far too much conflict.
I mean, the goals would be none for humanity.
But it's also the case that, I mean, the North Koreans are in Russia,
You know they're getting technology in exchange for that the Iranian drones are up there
Israel's testing out all these AI capabilities in Gaza, you know, like it's it's an ominous
Feeling that and I didn't know that we're using a targeting with anthropic
There's a socket taking place in the Department of Defense or Department of War. Sorry
and
And this is huge issue. I mean, it was a lot of dirt. Yeah, it was the lavender program that
972 investigated and found out was like they were creating new targets by
utilizing AI because human beings are just simply not capable of creating that
many targets for a striking and AI is very useful if you're conducting a
genocide because you can just kill whoever and be like well the AI told me
this is the you know this is a real target that we need to strike and where
the AI can locate a phone number and not care if there's like 20 kids in the building where that phone
exactly or deliberately because one was the lavender targeting system which was which would have like
a couple different points if you had I guess if you had changed your SIM card at any point which
happens all the time in general but it certainly happens all the time in Gaza because people
need to use eSIMs and whatnot, then that automatically meant that by that targeting system, that meant
that you were a Hamas fighter or a member of the Palestinian resistance. And then daddy's home is
even scarier than that. It was a mass surveillance strategy where like if the target, if the person
that was declared a target actually walked into their home, their residence, daddy's home would
trigger, and they would blow up the entire house. Because they knew that that was where
the fighter would be at.
Yeah. And all Anthropic is saying is, number one, no mass arounds Americans, and number
two, no autonomous decisions made in the use of violence essentially.
Yeah. Which is ironic because it has the capacity to backfire. And I think the Anthropic CEO
is like probably engaging in ass covering. Now he says that the company can not a good
conscience to see to Pentagon demands allow wider use of his technology as of like literally
a couple hours ago. This just came out. I think the reason why they're saying that
and they were very clear on it was guys, one, this is unconscionable and I'm sure there's
plenty of engineers that think this is, you know, unacceptable. But if you don't have
of a human safeguarding this process, the AI could just decide that the American soldiers
are actually the targets that need to be eliminated all of a sudden. What if there's like a higher
utility purpose for the AI and that it decides, no, the real enemies are literally the American
assets and they just start, you know, lasering American assets.
The insane thing about all this is that there's no effort to regulate these things. If we
We lived in any kind of relatively normal times.
There would be domestically you'd be trying to regulate this, and then you'd be negotiating
treaties with other countries about like, you know, in the same way that we would be
treating AI like we treated nuclear technology.
It has to be like thoroughly guardrailed.
There has to be regulation of how you develop nuclear energy.
And what's happening is our system is so dysfunctional that there's not even any expectation.
Now some that's by design, like what do Peter Thiel and all these other guys want?
They want to break the U.S. government so they can't be regulated.
Why does J.D.
Vance go to Europe and give speeches about the AFD and all that?
Part of it's like his kind of white nationalist worldview.
Part of it is he's trying to break apart the EU so the EU doesn't regulate American AI,
right?
So it's left to the companies to develop terms of service when they should be regulated.
I mean, I do give them credit for at least having some line that he's drawing.
I mean, that's more than you see from some of his competitors.
But the answer is actually to have real regulation.
I mean, if I was running for president as a Democrat, I would be coming right for these
issues.
And the job displacement ones are more important to people.
But the absence of regulation, the monopolization
that's taking place, and the idea that we're just counting
on a CEO in a room with Pete Hexeth
to figure out what the terms of service
are to self-regulate, it's an insane thing.
Hey, I just can't stop recommending nuclear strikes
and war game simulations, leading
as we're opening an anthropic in Google
opt to use nuclear weapons and simulated war games in 95%
of cases.
Because honestly, I'm gonna reveal myself
as a late Gen Xer here, but did you see Wargames?
I mean, it's literally the scenario from that movie.
The AI is playing a game, it wants to win,
and so you reach for your biggest weapon, you know?
I mean, if you don't put guardrails around this stuff,
I mean, and the future of warfare is autonomous,
you're gonna be in pretty big fucking trouble.
Anthropic knows where the technology is going
more than d.o.d. does right it's not the Pentagon that is developing the
technology is anthropic
and the fact that the anthropic
cio is like wait a second i know where the technology is going
i want to build these guardrails in my systems in hexas like no we can't
handle that we can have that you know or it means crazy outside of those they
were literally just saying you have to have a human sign off on it
you have to have a human give final approval which again is a system that
you can
and should be a principal across all a i they should be like an emergency break
that human being can pull
at any given time
and if you if you open in the door cracked that nothing the case
and i know where we are
yeah it's it's uh... truly devastating but uh... i was gonna say what do you
what do you think about uh... claudia shambham are you are you familiar with
the more in a party if you look at what's going on in mexico what's your
uh... at the last foreign policy take i have for you because i have a grab my
kids and kids uh...
I like Claudia Shea Ma'am. I think that, you know, one, she is simultaneously demonstrated
a way to have a different economic model. I mean, not just she, but the Moreno party
on low started that, obviously, a different economic model inside of Mexico in the country
that have been very corporatists. You know, she's not, it's not dismantled, but there
There has been redistribution of wealth and opportunity inside the country.
But also, there's all this buzz, all these people getting super excited on the right
about the kind of right wing populists, the Milays and the Bucalais.
She's offering a different model of the leftist politics that can succeed.
Inside of Mexico, she's been able to stand up to Trump at times, at least.
She's been able to support Cubans.
And I will tell you, I was traveling in Latin America recently, meeting with a lot of kind
of opposition politicians.
They all idolized Claudia Schoenbaum.
Like she's become what Lula was, you know, in the kind of the aughts, like people on
the left, people just in opposition to kind of the rising tide of right-wing authoritarianism
in Latin America, they looked to her.
So I think when I look at it at the world and people ask me, like, who do you find interesting?
I find Pedro Sanchez and Claudia Schoenbaum both to be pretty interesting.
They have a consistent set of values across domestic and foreign policy, and they're consistent.
And they're offering something that is different than mushy globalization or MAGA.
That's badly needed.
Okay, I know you got a dip.
Last question, I promise.
This is the most consistent question I've heard from Chad as well.
How have your views on Israel evolved from being a part of the national security apparatus
to where you are now?
I think that when I was there, I had the reputation as someone who was unusually critical of Israel.
So I never had...
Ben Hamas-Rose.
Yeah, I mean, like, you know, so I never was rosy about it.
I will say, though, that I used the talking points, you know, you can find, and I believed
in them, the two-state solution.
Now that was being beaten out of me while I was in government, because the first Obama
term, I was like, you know, we got to get into the peace process and negotiate something.
And all I saw is BB used that as cover.
know, let's have some meetings with like Abu Mazen who has no, you know, was totally corrupt
and and probably, well, you know, simultaneously neutered by the Israeli government. And yeah,
but anyway, BB is using negotiations as cover to just keep expanding settlements, keep moving
Israeli politics to the right, you know. And so what I'd say is my evolution is just actually
a confrontation with reality itself, which is these, the Israel, Israel has no interest
in there ever being a Palestinian state.
And so it is not sufficient to stand up and say,
well, I hope there's a two-state solution.
My views evolve too in this sense that,
well, if that's the case,
then there have to be meaningful consequences,
i.e. the United States should not be providing
military assistance to the Israeli government
when it's committing war crimes in Gaza,
or when it's annexing the West Bank.
Like we don't need to,
there's not like some automaticity here
that we need to be providing arms to a government like that
it is so fundamentally the antithesis of what I believe
in terms of its political orientation at home
or in terms of its policy towards the Palestinians.
So I think to me, Hasan is honestly just like,
it's not that I learned the evolution was just
forcing myself to confront in reality.
And, you know, so I don't give myself credit for it.
It's more just like, anyways,
I can't keep using this language
or I can't keep saying I, you know,
What bothers me is a lot of times,
people will even say, the Israeli government
is committed to the annexation of the West Bank,
the project of greater Israel that could go
into southern Syria, into southern Lebanon,
but I'm still forgiving the military assistance.
So to me, the evolution is just being consistent.
And if you actually believe something,
the vast actually lead to a policy consequence, right?
And that to me is, you still see people
not quite getting there.
Like they can issue all the critiques,
they can even use certain language,
but they can't bring themselves,
do I believe in the ICC?
I do.
So therefore the ICC should be able to make decisions
about whether to prosecute Bibi Nenyao.
Why do we get to come in and say,
no, you're wrong about this one?
You know, so to me, it's just,
it's totally just a matter,
and I've been called names too.
I've been, you know, Annie Samite or whatever.
It's funny because I come, you know, my mom's Jewish.
But like, this is about actually just addressing reality.
It's just about seeing things as they are
and calling it like you see it.
And then having views about what should happen
that are consistent.
Cause you can't say what's happening and then say,
but nothing should change in terms of US policy here.
Yeah, absolutely.
And we already have laws in the books,
like the Leahy law that should automatically be triggered
in this situation.
Yeah.
that I think it was, well, two things I want to say.
One, I was listening to a cat of Uzalei running in Illinois
who's of Palestinian descent up against Daniel Bliss.
And she's done a phenomenal job so far despite being,
you know, 26 years old, formerly working in media matters,
like comes from an organizing background as well.
But she said like, we should be conditioning all aid
across the board through all of our allies all the time.
the notion that like it's not singling somebody out yeah the notion that like we can't condition
you know because they were like what about defensive weapons like this distinction that is
made all the time and this is a major area of disagreement that i have with even matt dust as
well which is that i i went farther than that yeah yeah i i i think like the notion of uh of like
offering anti-aircraft battery systems to like nazi germany during world war two would be out of
the question should we give defensive weapons i mean there's russian civilians of russia should
Should we give defensive weapons to Russia?
Like, no, of course not, right?
But it's also just, because if you believe
that war crimes are being committed, which is obvious,
why give weapons to country committing war crimes?
And defense expenditures are fungible.
So what you give them in defensive
is opens up space for offensive.
And it's a principle of conditionality.
Kat's right, it's not singling out.
It's being consistent across the board.
Yeah, absolutely.
The other thing I'd say in terms of,
I used to try to get in the room
and persuade or argue with, you know, the apex of the world.
FDD, FDD?
And those guys wouldn't even talk to me,
but I will say, you know, pretty quickly when I got out,
I was like, wait a second, like,
these people are on the other side of everything I believe,
not just in terms of Israel,
but in terms of financing far-right politics
in this country.
Yeah, domestic politics in general, yeah.
And so I don't think there should be a carve out
where it's like, but we should take a lot of money
from them like so it's like no we this is a dysfunctional relationship and when you're in a dysfunctional relationship you should end it, you know and
And the Democratic Party will be healthier
The re you know if it doesn't have this hybrid where like its own voters believe something
But a hand a number of politicians are still taking a lot of money from a pack or a pack affiliated groups
It ties the Democratic Party knots which by the way may be the point
You know it may be the point to tie us in knots and we're arguing with ourselves about this
Yeah, no, absolutely. Anyway, I would I would talk to you for
Yeah, this is great. Thank you so much for coming on Ben Rhodes everybody working people find you
so I
Pots it was my podcast and I have a sub-sec that I just launched where I just wrote about Iran actually got a book coming out in May
So I'm popping up wherever I can. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to convince you to come with me to Cuba. Hopefully we'll see
I bet yeah, I know you've been yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, we'll see I'd love to get back down there. Yeah
All right. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming on.
Thanks. All right.
And thank you, mom, for that.
Of course.
All right. I'm going to be doing the, I'm going to be doing the fear and podcast in a little bit, but that was Ben Rose, everybody. All right, here it is. Let me just zoom in on myself here.
myself here. W guest. We went off for a very long time, a lot longer than I thought we
would. Hopefully we didn't strike Iran in the process while we were having this conversation
because that was like a very real fear that I had. And yeah, I hope that was informative
for you. I think you weren't joking. He's dope as fuck. Yes. No, he is dude. When he
He was, when he was in the White House, I'm telling you, the jokingly, like people would
jokingly refer to him as Ben Hamas rose because of how critical he was of Israel.
And you know, it's nice that there's someone that's on the inside that goes through that
transformation personally through his own personal experience and realizes, like it
It takes a lot for people to, to recognize, um, like the, the actions that they took.
Everything good?
Wait, what happened?
Oh, oh, you got hit the blue button.
Yeah.
Yeah.
While we were talking paramount bought out Warner bros, bro.
Oh, Jesus fucking Christ.
That sucks.
It is also, I will admit, personally, is it somewhat rewarding having not only an intelligent
guest, a thoughtful guest, also, you know, talk about things that I've been talking
about for fucking years, and, and, and, you know, confirm a lot of the things that I have said,
you know, there, because there's, I know that at this point, there, it's a lost cost to try to
get the fucking loner boxes of the world or any number of different like sex, past any orbiters
to understand, you know, that I'm not this like a villain that they have presented me as.
And I think at this point the hatred, the hatred for me is set in so hard that I suspect that instead
of, instead of recognizing that there's probably a lot of truth to what I was talking about even
back then, and they might have been on the wrong side of that argument. They'll probably
end up focusing their enmity on, you know, someone like Ben Rhodes. Really, Ben Rhodes
is no one who's talking about. But, you know, Trump is being briefed on the military option
in Iran. Top U.S. commander in the Middle East briefs Trump on Iran options. Here we go.
I dropped 44 minutes ago.
This was one of the best interviews you've done.
I'm really informative. I really enjoy the interview. Yeah, because it's my field of interest.
American foreign policy, American imperialism is the one area that I diverge from many of my counterparts,
especially on the internet side of things.
It's also the area that I'm most knowledgeable in and it's also the area where I just get attacked the most
because of my my unorthodox perspective and my unorthodox perspective that that you know
Happens to
Center the victims of of American imperialism rather than the necessity for American imperialism
So
Wrong. You're most knowledgeable in racism. Thank you. That's true.
Here's a graphic of everything that Alison's will now own. Jesus Christ, dude.
Netflix is deciding to raise their bid to buy Warner Bros. Paramount is now expected to acquire the studio.
I'll give you a...
There you go.
Say bye-bye to Woke Superman.
Nathan Fielder was right all along about Paramount.
True.
Potential CNN CBS merger.
I made employee concerns about the potential merging of CBS News and CNN.
The Ellis is making significant programming changes.
CNN chief executive Mark Thompson sent out a memo to employees urging caution.
Thompson wrote, despite all speculation, you've read it during this process.
I'd suggest that you don't jump to conclusions about the future until we know more.
And secondly, let's not forget our duty to our audience.
We're still near the start of what is an incredibly newsy year at home and abroad, one that will
culminate with critical US myths and elections, and who knows what else.
Let's continue to focus on delivering the best possible journalism to the millions of
people who rely on us all around the world.
I just told people that Larry Ellison assured him that he would make the media companies
more conservative, if he is able to buy the media companies.
Dude, this is Turkification man.
This is Turkey.
It's crazy.
It's strange.
It's strange.
to get unfold in real time.
Wait, hold on.
Hold on one second.
No, the seas chap piracy. I mean, I think you need to understand something here piracy
is is great and I love it, but
By the way, within the past hours, Pakistan Defense Minister to close open war with Afghan
Taliban. Wait, what the fuck?
Pakistan attacked Afghanistan. Pakistan strikes Kabul and Kandahar as
as Afghan Taliban escalate cross-border attack. What?
Another thing that happened, at least one American citizen and another injured in Cuba
speedboat shooting US official says wait another one
injured by cuban officials intercepting a speedboat off his coast on wednesday is this
yes no this is yesterday border guard shot yeah yeah this is yesterday no no no this is
yesterday this is yesterday this is just updates on yesterday's story yeah yeah they were us citizens
they were terrorists they were straight up fucking american cubans that wanted to go do terrorism in
Cuba and it's not like they hit it either. They just straight up, if you look at their social
media profile, they like one of the guys that was on the boat, their social media profile just
very clearly shows that they were trying to, they were very clearly trying to foment like,
you know, some sort of, some sort of war against the Cuban government.
it's pretty fucking nutty. God damn, we had so much to talk about. Is everyone here? Okay.
They interviewed took a lot out of me chat. I'm not gonna lie. It was fantastic, though. It was
really good. I, um, you know, I thought it was very, very good. I hope you guys got a
lot out of that too. Um, all right, we're done with fucking, I can't believe I spent
so much goddamn time on Tyler Olavera, Tyler Hitler, Vera.
Some info. Pakistan has been bombing couple in Afghan positions consistently for the past
few months in Afghanistan invaded earlier today, taking border posts. Pakistan has retaliated
big and it looks like a war Pakistan has been freshened with perceived indifference on behalf
of the Afghan Taliban towards letting the Pakistani Taliban operate inside its borders.
Green and Reformed too close call but shows the end of the two-party system in the UK.
Votes being counted in Gulshan and Denton by election. Green say this by-election shows
they're here to replace labor another house on obi had seizing power you love to see it
you did waste a lot of time before the interview shut up bitch
like like who who the fuck man when i when i get chatters in here being like i didn't like the
way you connect in yourself it's like you do it then okay you take the fucking role okay you take
the reins chatter you be the change you want to see in the world like what is
this fucking time off task as motherfuckers in my chat bro they think
like just because I'm a Amazon employee doesn't mean you're Jeff Bezos
okay
What is this?
Um, yeah, this is what I had to say to you.
Okay, okay, rapid fire.
Let's talk about Iran.
She asked for diplomacy before a potential new American attack on Iran.
is trying to push Iran into signing a deal to give up its nuclear program. Iran's government
has threatened widespread retaliation for any new airstrikes. Charlie Dagoda is in Israel,
which could get caught in any crossfire. Indirect talks began this morning in Geneva
with Middle East envoy Steve Whitcoff and Jared Kushner, President Trump's son-in-law,
heading up negotiation. Iran's nuclear program may be the focus of today's meetings,
But Secretary of State Marco Rubio says it goes beyond that.
Iran possesses a very large number of ballistic missiles,
particularly short-range ballistic missiles that threaten the United States and our bases in the region.
Last June, during the 12-day war with Iran, Israeli residents experienced firsthand Iran's
capabilities. A CBS News camera captured the moment missiles penetrated Israel's
and the U. S. Interceptors.
Striking residential neighborhoods.
This is just a hint of the
aftermath. These buildings bore
the brunt of it, but you really
have to take a 360 look between
the shrapnel and the pressure
of the blast. The damage is
everywhere, and this is in the
heart of Tel Aviv, one of
Israel's most populated cities.
Audi Gaffney lives in an
adjacent department block that
was built in the late 1960s.
lives in an adjacent department block.
That must have been terrifying.
It was insane.
It really was insane.
And I cannot explain it with words enough.
At some point, we just heard and felt like a wound.
US forces were given advance warning
of the Iranian missile attack on America's largest base
in the Middle East last summer.
But even then had to respond with the single biggest deployment of Patriot missiles in U.S.
history, the Pentagon said.
Now, all eyes on those last-ditch talks in Geneva, Iran's foreign minister said he's
hopeful a deal can be reached.
U.S. officials I spoke with this morning say President Trump has been given a number of
options that are ready to go if diplomacy fails and he decides to take military action.
Gail?
All right, Charlie dogged a reporting from Chela beef.
Thank you.
You said bye bye is real.
I mean, I don't, I don't think so.
Something happened to Yanis Verifakis.
People ask me, how can they end up?
You were saying you took it,
you took an ecstasy pill 36 years ago in Australia.
Are they mad?
No folks, they are not mad.
This is nothing to do with drugs,
with the law, with anything related to my actual interview
is a reflection of what has been happening to politics
across the West with Greek characteristics.
Unlike the most European countries, where new ultra-rightist parties emerged to undermine
the traditional centroid party, Egypt FD in Germany, reform in the UK, Melonies Brothers
in Italy, or Le Pen in France, in Greece, the mainstream Tory equivalent party, New
Democracy, remains dominant in the polls and in public discourse.
The reason behind the success is that they keep neo-fascists in their midst.
Indeed, Mitsotakis, the prime minister, gave them top ministerial posts,
e.g. in the health and migration, to keep them sweet.
You sound like Antonio Banderas.
What do you mean?
He sounds like that.
Does he not?
He sounds like that.
I'm showing him this.
Don't show him this.
That's embarrassing.
As.
You want to be Greek?
It's my true accent as a real Greek.
The prime minister and his neoliberal mainstream factions monopolize financial
deals with the local and global corporate oligarchy.
economic policy more generally. In exchange, the prime ministers handed over the new fascists and
ministries engaged in rightist culture wars, migration, family law, health, and the funny war on drugs, etc.
The latter then used their authority to appeal to the electoral base by ensuring that the Greek
coast guard causes migrants to drown in the Aegean that the police shield the fascists
and the people like myself are harassed and dragged through the courts.
Why are you tracking them out? This is literally what,
this is what he sounds like. In short, my ridiculous prosecution must be seen within the
wider, uh, west wide, surge of insidious new form of fascism. In this context, I am honored by
their determination to persecute me as it grants me the privilege of calling upon good people of
good conscious from around the world to stand together to oppose him.
I don't know why they fucking hate you honest so much.
Cause like I sometimes feel a little bit like, like am I a job liver?
Cause I say way more on his shit than he does.
You know what I mean?
I guess he just has more motion cause he's like a former finance minister and stuff.
But like it's crazy.
Like this is a ridiculous case.
Like, it's a ridiculous case to just like slap on to him, and I don't know why people
don't understand that like if they can do that to him, they can do that to anybody,
right?
You are not an economist though, prominent, leftist economist, a huge rarity.
You show the EU a minister could fuck up their machinations.
He was finance minister for three months and the Greeks blame everything on him.
What I mean is like, I guess I have the Turkish privilege, um, I guess Turkey does control
the EU like low key and he's Greek and he doesn't have that same motion, I guess.
Cause like, um, he was a finance minister, you're a large, you remember both of you've
been saying ops, yours is don't have motion beyond social media.
No, I just mean like, like this is, this is bullshit, right?
Like they're, they're trying to get him on some bullshit, like something he said, right?
And for me, what I don't understand is like, like I've said way more illegal things.
You know what I mean?
So I'm glad in some ways that they don't have that same level of scrutiny.
One of the men identified on the boat the cuba was where my city was known for talking
obsessively about wanting to overthrow the cuba or many a bro I saw their fucking social
media profiles of one of the guys and it was absolutely nutty.
I think you have jester's privilege does that make sense yes why are you jealous of
honest. No, I'm not jealous. I love the honest. That's my goat. Um, I would never. Oh, we didn't
even get to the fucking God, the mom, Donnie saying, I, there's so much going on in the
fucking world, bro. Oh my God. Inside this latest Trump, I'm not meeting last time. The
two men Trump asked him to return with his ideas to build big things. My dad came back
with a massive housing proposal, Mumdani's team created mock headlines show Trump how
such a project would be received. He was very enthusiastic. Oh my God, they made it themselves.
Oh my God, he knows the fucking, he knows how to work the goddamn room so well. That's
crazy. Mumdani pushed for a release of Columbia student detain today. Trump calls him later
to tell him she's being released. Mumdani gives Susie Waz a list of four other students
He wants to help with all targeted and propositing protests
God what a fucking
What a goddamn G dude, I fucking brings a tear to my eye, I swear to God what a fucking oh
So good
A better world is possible.
A better world is possible, dude.
What else do you say?
I know Mahmood is one of the names.
I know.
Donnie also gave White House Chief of Staff Suzy Wiles a list of four other students targeted
by federal authorities and asked for the admissions to help with them.
Four students are Mahmood Khalil, Yunseo, Chung, Mohsen Mahtawi, which I think has already
had his charges dropped if I'm not mistaken and and Leica uh Cordia
he tangled the keys in front of the baby and the baby was very happy
yeah I know she's been released Elmina Agayava has been released I already DM'd her
to see if she'd come on the broadcast
If he can get Leica out of detention, it would be fucking spectacular.
I don't personalize politics, by the way. Good W's though, regardless.
Man, you also got a fucking cling on to hope, man.
You got a cling on to hope, bro.
I talked to him with regular frequency and I was still worried.
Okay.
You know what I mean?
Because you never know.
You never know.
You never know what these motherfuckers, the politicians at the end of the day, you know
know what I mean?
Merrick Mayer's press team out with a readout, by the way, he's just sucking up all the fucking
all the comms people from every other team.
That's Calvello.
He also he also picked up another, um, Calvello was on, um, uh, uh, the, the Graham Plattener
team.
They're all one bass leave away from Federmann brain gotta take the dubies where you can
Yeah, Cal Vela also worked for Federmann, um not as fine as moment
Not as fucking fine as moment
you said this monster please blow my back walls out with with with your
weirdly disfigured penis but like that's again not the main character you're in
in many ways like you are a freak show a curiosity the fuck
of the past 50 years.
He proposed a project of an estimated 12,000 units.
As you noted, our team did mark up front pages of paper
that he gave those to President Trump
in the local office today.
The president is very enthusiastic about this idea
that he pitched it.
Additionally, the mayor also brought up
the detainee of the Columbia students
who was detained this morning.
And he asked, directed President Trump,
what they would do next.
Additionally, he came for this before additional students
to be in New York to achieve staff and the president Trump.
Ask them to consider dismissing their cases as well.
Shortly after the letter to the White House,
he received a call from President Trump.
We let him know the students you've seen this morning
will be released.
That's what we're sure of the moment.
Thank you so much.
This is a fucking compilter.
What is this?
Ah.
Mr. Saldo, Raul Passo, they're so incompetent they shot down their own drone.
Remember the high energy laser that led to the shutdown of aerospace around El Paso?
The Pentagon accidentally shot down a US Customs and Border Protection drone on the Texas
border with Mexico using the same laser system.
I don't believe this.
I'm gonna be sincere with you for a moment. I don't think this was it. I think there was some other shit going on that they they won't tell us
Not like aliens no, I'm not saying that I'm saying like
Like, Mum Donnie's a Zionist. Yeah, right. He did. You should know better. He appointed
Tish. We got Leica put in prison. Mum Donnie's asking for a $21 billion in federal grants
for the Sunnyside Yards Housing Development to discuss in their White House meeting today.
Hall finally confirms close cash thank you for the can give the subs
you shout out Zach Plansky Hanna Spencer UK greens look to set defeat labor and reform
give us another green MP tonight. Shout out Zach. Shout out Zach Plansky. Uh, the best
of the, the, the best of the Hassan Abihay contingency globally. Uh, so far, I mean digups.
Republicans are pissed for sure that he housed in red states to Hassan Piker. I mean, I
Yeah. You know what Koskesh means? No, I think it's a bad word, right?
Labor is blaming their home secretary. A senior labor source.
A senior labor source told Sky News that they believe they've lost a golden
dent in by-election, they put a blame on Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood for her device of
rhetoric on immigration and citizenship reforms, which kept coming up on the doorstep.
And Labour source says the early size of the cow suggests the Greens have been able to
turn out support in a way they wouldn't be able to replicate in a general election.
oh
Fuck you now
This is MP or national public radio
Your party needs to go man. It was failed from the start with all the infighting
But especially you now they just need to join up with the Greens I
Don't know I don't know what's gonna happen
If I, if I see jazz, I'll ask them though.
I do not get it. What is Zora giving in exchange for all this? I mean, no harm with my question. Do you want to know the answer? I mean, this is speculative, but probably nothing.
He's going to let Trump put his name on it.
Of course, 16 inches, maybe.
Anyway, that's all I got for today, folks.
I have to I have to run because I have to do the podcast. So, um, yeah, uh, I will be
back tomorrow. Hopefully, uh, no war in Iran, right? That's what the, that's what we're
hoping for. That's what we're gunning for. And, um, he's good with kids. Trump is like
a giant toddler so he's good with him yeah something like that anyway love you
guys to talk about his trip to the West Bank and so much more anyway love you
guys see you tomorrow
And uh, yeah that's it.
There's again a son is streaming, a son is streaming.
Leave me when a Chinese train tellin' Kyle Place.
Son in as many channels, given greening's grace.
Zoran winning and YC walk to back with the force
The Rogan of the left to me adumbed in those still on course
The Charlie Kirk assassination, the fear and unmind show
Eight full fucking years of this, plenty more to go
Doing fun stuff tomorrow, throw PBS up on the screen
A man made whore reaction brought to you by this life's dream
Cause there he is again, the sun is streaming.
The sun is streaming.
There he is again, the sun is streaming.
The sun is streaming.
Kept out of the DNC, I will march the good.
Commed in the propaganda to shut down people's throats, CBS, Israeli news, a coup, a regime
falls, a full-blown fascist takeover and still the duty calls, total radicalization coming
out to sea. The system with hill always fail, it's up to you and me. All these daily streams,
weather show, or weather long, have held millions of people keep it moving right along.
Cause there he is again, cause son is streamin'
Cause son is streamin'
There he is again, cause son is streamin'
Cause son is streamin'
But hey, what can you say, that's BBS for you
But he'll play games real soon. Just you wait and say, Hey, what can you say? And that's
BBS for you. But he'll move on real soon. Just you wait and say, Hey, what can you say?
Hey, let's be V.S. for you.
We'll pull your lungs real soon.
Just you wait.
Sha-da-da, sha-da-da, sha-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
Hey, what can you say?
Hey, let's be V.S. for you.
We'll help you jad-dice real soon.
Just you wait.
But hey, what can you say?
Let's be V.S. for you.
Brought to my view is like you, just you and me