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We have to compete with the digital world world's new rising star, far-left activist, Hassan Piker.
What I really want is whether it's social media influencers on Twitch and YouTube like Hassan Piker,
or other kind of promoters of hate.
You must always maintain revolutionary optimism.
You must always continue to organize.
We must always continue to agitate because the quicker we can create enough pressure that
causes the American state to recalculate its suicide pack with Israel, the quicker we
can save as many Palestinian lives possible.
What's going on, everybody? I hope everyone's having a fantastic evening, afternoon, pre
noon, no matter where you are in the world, I'm a Sompiker and this is us on our broadcast
coming to you live from rainy California, Los Angeles folks were live and alive and
I hope all the boys, girls and MBS are having a fantastic one because today's a beautiful
day. Today's a wonderful day in spite of the rain. It's a big day today and there
There is a lot to talk about, folks. Oh my God. Holy Toledo, ladies and gentlemen, Toledo.
We have so much to talk about, so much to discuss. It's Sunday, ladies and gentlemen,
Sunday Funday for Hungary. Majedistan, Majedistan has a very interesting day ahead of itself.
We got elections happening there, will a guy whose last name quite literally is the name
of the country be able to defeat Victor Orban?
That's what I'm very excited to find out about.
So fascinating, fascinating day ahead of ourselves.
Remember, January was it?
You take Sundays off.
All right.
Shut up.
Yeah.
We got, we got too much going on, obviously.
So I can't just freaking do that.
I saw Potsy of America. You did great. So many moments. I was like,
I hope he talks about the greats in Israel who made them famous and you did.
And you quoted Albert Einstein. You did so great. Thank you. Um,
yeah, I, um, I, I went to the lion's den of, uh,
liberalism and I spoke convincingly about why I say the things I say about
Hamas and how I compare, uh, Hamas to Israel and say Hamas is a thousand
times better than Israel. So like that was, I think, uh,
fairly instructive for a lot of liberals. I think it'll be a good opportunity for a
lot of liberals and normies to just like see what my, my perspective is, what our perspective
is really. But in any case, ladies and gentlemen, boys, girls, and enemies, we've got a lot
going on. Esmer Klein's article came out as well. This is me being a shut-ass loser
doesn't change the reality that, you know, I will go to about five AM this morning.
And I just, I felt like a disturbance in the force. I will go to five AM this
morning, belt of the servers of the force, looked at my phone, boom, right there, the
king of liberals, Ezra motherfucking Klein, the king of liberals wrote an article defending
me saying I'm not an anti-Saharan and that people are fucking insane, which is awesome.
Which is awesome. This is going to be a very bad day for a lot of centrist liberals
who have desperately tried to maintain their grip of control, their grip of influence,
group of power over the Democratic Party in an environment where there are a lot of people
who are, who demand more, who demand more from the Democrats.
So that was the conversation for the last three weeks, and it's obviously come into
a close.
And there are concessions being given right now.
It's fantastic.
It's phenomenal.
I never thought we would get there.
never thought we would get there. Anyway, are you going on as a show now? I mean,
I'm talking to him, so we'll figure it out. So, ladies and gentlemen, boys, girls and
MBS, you didn't tweet all night. Proud of you, Chud. Yeah, it's because I, what did
I do last night? I didn't do shit. Oh, I did an interview with Prem. I did an interview
with Prem. That's why I did an interview with Prem talker for Zateo Day in the
life. And it was actually very interesting. The New York Times changed the title from
Hassan is not the enemy back on the list, big dog. Wait, what did they change the title
to? Cause that was a good title. Hassan Piker is not the enemy.
President level motion for this base king currently streaming. It's a concession by
climb, be very, beware of lives issues clothing. I don't care. That's a good thing. You have to,
this is why there's no liberal Joe Rogan. Okay. That's a fine title as well. But that's good.
You guys don't understand how politics works. I don't think you should understand how politics
works. This is how politics works. This is a good thing. Okay. This is absolutely a good
thing. This is a healthy thing. There's healthy friction existing in the Democratic party.
They probably would have done a better job if they just like never addressed
faced this issue and just kept people like ourselves on the sidelines, but they chose
to fight this battle over a pivotal race, Abdul El Sayed's race, and one, I think that's
fantastic because there is fantastic for two reasons, okay?
Number one, it gave much needed media attention to this Michigan Senate race that Abdul wasn't
getting because he's a phenomenal candidate.
Okay?
That's number one.
Number two, this is a healthy conversation to have.
It's healthy friction that is taking place in the Democratic Party.
I'm going to be talking about all of this and more, but first, personal news-wise,
I'm going to pretty goddamn good moon.
raining. But I'm in a good mood regardless because I worked out, I worked out today this morning.
And in my workout, I was, I've been experiencing like really, really bad gains, like just a loss
of strength for like the past couple of months or so. Finally, it's picking back up. I'm finally
back up to 395 technically on the on the the squats as my top set so that's good because I'm
you know I'm 34 I'm about to be 35 in July right so for me
it's it's it's been really really tough trying to both lose weight keep the weight off
and and sit at a fairly significant deficit while also making sure that I don't lose my gains now the reason why I kept losing them is
because
Is because I got the coveted folks tweet from Dave Weigel. Okay. He's joking obviously
But like I hate
But this will do numbers with lib moms by the way, I know I know there are
are white wine moms in the countryside that are gonna see this and lose their minds. Really,
why can't every Democrat talk like this? This is exactly what we need right now.
Because this is how I feel. And this is the real me. When I'm fucked up, that's the real me.
You know what I mean? This is the, this is the, you know,
So pivotal message for a lot of Democratic Party voters who face themselves to be centrist,
right?
Like, but aren't actually centrist at all.
So we'll, we'll, we'll obviously go through the pod John's interview, 80,000 views of
five hours, not bad.
And you know, we'll see, we'll see where it goes.
But every time I have, every time I do Pots, St. America, especially with John, every time
I do that, usually a lot of new liberals who are fans of the Pots, Johns will hear my perspective
and go, oh my God, this is what the fuck, like, why can't we have more people that
talk like this, right?
And there's a good reason for it, it's because most of the mainstream media want
those people to encounter me the first time ever in short bursts, right? 10 second increments.
I don't stream for 10 seconds. I stream for 10 hours, right? And this is, you know, this is,
this would have been very successful. So it was very successful five years ago, 10 years ago. It's
certainly was successful against Bernard Sanders, right? It's no longer successful because independent
media is uncontrollable and is not interested in abiding by whatever standards that mainstream
institutions want to apply. So yeah, in any case, ceasefire fails, JD comes home,
U.S. wants to blockade the hormones. Lamal Ezra Klein defends me as centrist Dems concede on
tent expansion to the left situation monitored fc's three day 43 New York City tomorrow
Well, Yale Tuesday, get in now.
Bowdoin socialists have Mahmood Mamdani coming to school.
Also, Apex Twizy, I know your ass invited me to, or someone in your, I think someone
invited me as well.
you guys trying to like get all of all the people in like the Zoramumdani orbit
because you know your ass can't get Zoran so you're trying to get his dad you're trying to get me
your manager replied yeah i said i'd be down to do it
you ain't slick bro you are not slick also are you trying to get the fucking chapter shut down
this is what i don't understand are you trying to get the chapter shut down because this is
is what's going to happen. Okay. This is what's going to happen.
You want, you want me to come on that campus is Zora's dad magging you Yale a demonic place.
Please destroy the skull and bones. You're on a most skull.
Uh, yeah, okay. We'll do, um, but, uh, anyway, Orban, L, ceasefire fails, JD comes home, all
this stuff. We got so much to talk about today. It's a jam packed Sunday. Uh, normally, I don't
even stream on Sundays. Normally Sundays are fun days, but obviously today, uh, is, is going to
to be at the heavy news day, apologies for all of the one day enjoyers because obviously
we have to cover the situation.
We have to monitor the situation.
A lot going on with said situation, right?
Hawkeye with the butt.
Bro, you're always streaming.
True, true, true, true, true.
Stop saying you have fun, man.
I mean, this is fun for me.
Bro, it's EF day 44, not 43.
on February 28th day one added 31 days from March goes 32 um don't stress big dog maybe we just don't
maybe we just uh have a different way of doing the calculation you know i mean i don't really care
who who's stressing the numbers at this point you know and i mean what's the difference you're 44 43
you know it's all shit anyway right uh glad you're in a good mood chipper yeah you want to
to know why I'm in a good mood and I'm chipper because for the last, for the last three years
I've been called a fucking terrorist nonstop by dumb shitters on the internet who desperately
want to be recognized by the centrist flank of the Democratic Party who have actively
made it their lives mission to present me as this spoiler, as this bad guy.
And now you have one of the top dogs on the liberal side that every centrist leans into,
that every Democratic voter listens to, that treats his word like the gospel, turning around
and out of nowhere, by the way, literally out of nowhere.
I had no idea that this was coming.
Ironically enough, I had talked to Noah Colwin about potentially doing some possible
media hits on Jewish papers, right? He was like, oh, you should do Jewish currents.
I'd be talking to Peter Beynart. Anyway, Peter Beynart reached out to me a while back. I said,
yeah, let's do it. But I always told Noah, I was like, what would be the best possible way
to have this conversation is with, as a recline, who is the king of liberals.
And also the king of like liberal Zionism as well, right?
Because that would be a very productive conversation. I know that he would most likely
have a very open-minded conversation with someone like me, just like he did with
with, uh, Ta-Nehisi Coates, right? So from that perspective, this is like, you know,
this is the, the greatest. He just did it on his own. I thought I would be able to like
reach out to him and, and, uh, and do a podcast with him. But, uh, turns out it wasn't
even necessary. He just wrote it himself.
I was in the comment section of the Ross Dalther segment was a million times more charitable
than the Ezra piece.
I don't know what the comment section looks like, but they probably flooded it.
But yeah, I don't even need to worry about the ADL because of the person to be cooking
my ass going to be Z-way today or tomorrow.
So, you know, that's where we're at.
Your perseverance through every bit of bullshit these past three years truly incredible
beyond good senior tide rising papa. Yeah, I mean it's, uh, it is, this is not just about
me and my reputation and the reputational damage I incurred. That's irrelevant. No secondary,
right? As long as I have you, none of that shit matters. As long as I can still have
a platform that I can say the truth on and I'll keep pushing, right? But this is a very
consequential change. The reason why it's a very consequential change is because this
is a concession, an open concession from a liberal who is very important in the liberal
intelligence who approached the issue with charitability and said, it's fucking ridiculous.
This is ridiculous, and it's not just about me, it's about this movement.
So we have to align with these guys. That's huge, because remember, remember, initially,
the conversation was like, Hasan is bad, Democrats need to stay away from him.
And what did I tell you? What did I tell you at the time? I was like, this ain't
about me, this is about you, this is about all of us. This is about a change that is happening in
the Democratic Party, who the Democrats should be more responsive to, right?
What issues the Democrats need to highlight and need to lead on? Not just Israel, but Medicare
for all as well, right? Economic left populism. These are things that I advocate for. And
And the collection of all of those resentments is precisely what the establishment feared.
The establishment wanted to push aside, right?
They wanted to make sure that they never had to have that conversation.
They didn't want to talk about the message, so they wanted to shoot the messenger and
disparage the messenger.
Because the moment that you talk about that message, all of a sudden people are going
to be like, wait a minute, I do agree with that.
Now I feel like you're yelling at me, right?
So this is a huge step in that direction. I think this is the first of many significant concessions to the left flank
Okay, very consequential and we only got here
Because all of you stood strong and and you were steadfast in your approach in your advocacy said no we're not doing that
We're not playing that fucking game, right?
And here we are
Here we are
In any case, I suspect that some liberals will take this lightly and will waive the white flag quietly.
I saw Trey Easton of Searchlight Institute straight up saying, you know what? That's right. We're good, right?
We're good. We should just, we should be done with it, right? We should be done with this shit.
we shouldn't be fighting with the song. Why are we doing it anyway?
Like he said something along those lines, right? Which was really funny to hear.
Because he's been one of the diehard, he's been one of the diehard most
frustrated individuals on this issue, right?
He said, I don't think Sompiker is the enemy.
I just wish that he and his followers didn't treat the Democratic Party like it's their
enemy.
Never Trump has existed in the Democratic coalition without repeatedly bashing the party
and demanding it, take specific stands in exchange for their votes.
If this is how he'd like to be treated, he should consider adjusting his own posture.
See this is the problem.
Never Trumpers don't even need to make those concessions.
They don't need to make those demands because the Democrats already leaned into that.
That's the problem. That's the reason why we're having this conversation. If the Democrats
are more responsive, if the Democrats were more responsive to our demands, and our demands
are the popular demands, our demands expand far beyond the people that tune in and watch
me here every day, far beyond people who watch TikTok clips and agree far beyond the people
who go on YouTube and only watch the clips. Our demands are popular demands that
that many Americans across the board, people who've never fucking voted for the Democrats,
people who self-identify as independents, and even Republicans living in the countryside,
these are their demands as well.
So not only is this good politics, it's good policy, but it's also good politics, sorry.
Not only is this good policy, it's helpful in advancing people's material conditions.
If you were standing proudly and saying, we are the Medicare for all party, we're
We're going to fix healthcare in this country, we're going to fix housing in this country.
We are the party that says, fuck Israel.
Like that is a broadly populist message, right?
So it's not even the Democrats being responsive to us and our needs.
We're not like petulant children on the side, demanding this shit for no reason.
We want the Democrats to push for these policies because it'll also win elections, ensure that
Republicans never win again.
And last but not least, it will improve people's material conditions.
That's what is the most important, most consequential aspect of this at the end of the day.
The never Trumpers don't need to make demands in daylight.
They do behind closed doors as donors.
Yup.
Listen to her. I am always vindicated
Z-Way posted on our IG channel broadcast and asked people to drop questions for appearance and of course
Ethan Klein cult has shared it on their sub and they completely
Brigaded it with a bunch of questions about Kaia about being pro rape helping Trump win essential
There's barely any normal questions
is the only question thread with hundreds of comments. I hope you reach out to Z-Way
and let her know what's going on. Thank you for informing me. I'll do that.
Um, I'm sure she's aware. Yeah, genuine question should have left this or progressive Democrats
then run on a just 2% platform in regards to how much we want to tax the billionaires
and deal with some of these issues. I mean, whichever, whichever way it works, just another
psychosexual stalker. How do you keep catching these dudes like Pokeballs?
Comalist at B-Transactional, my queen.
Earlier about how people are so transactional. I think we need to be transactional voters.
I mean, not only did you make zero concessions, knowing that people had your back, you
deserve this victory lap, your convictions are strong, moral standing, keep getting
indicated this whole past month was one big strice and moment for the race in
your profile. Yep. I think yes, it is right when we are trying to get folks to
register to vote and to go vote. And it is absolutely right that we remind
everyone of our history, especially when they're trying to race it. We remind
people of the lives, the bloodshed on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, the
sacrifice of those young people at the lunch counter. We the assassination
If there are so many things that we must remember about history so that what compels us to vote
includes not only our civic duty, but honoring the ancestors.
Yes.
And here's what I'm suggesting in addition.
Get yours.
Vote and say, I'm voting because I expect something out of this.
You're not going to take for granted that I'm going to vote because I'm a good citizen
and it's my civic duty to vote so that you don't even worry about whether you're producing
what I need because all we can count on them to vote because they remember the Edmund
Pettus Bridge.
I'm saying it's okay to also give people permission to be transactional.
And to say if you're going to give my vote, this is what I expect.
Yeah.
$50,000 in tax credits for small businesses.
No Medicare for all.
No end to the genocide.
This is what we want.
This is what we want.
This is how we must be transactional, okay?
I'm going to vote because I expect something to get something out of this.
I'm going to get mine by voting.
That's what I would offer.
I think it's okay to give people pressure to be transactional voters.
Yeah.
When I said this about Kamala Harris' election, everybody yelled at me, by the way.
So what's up? She literally thought get yours was gonna be a huge applause line. I just don't
understand because like this is literally what I was saying. This is at the heart of theoretical
democracy. This is the principle. This is the fundamental aspect of the democratic process.
Because voting is a transactional experience. Voting is not given, is earned, votes are
earned by Democrats, okay? And that is at the heart of my frustration, okay? That's at
the heart of my frustration with the Democratic Party, which I addressed, I brought up in
in my Podjohns episode.
Very excited to watch that with you guys soon as well.
But yeah.
Why do you always do the illegal thing of being right too
early? What the hell is wrong with you?
Are you evil or something?
Yes, I am evil.
I am evil.
Okay.
That's what it is.
That's what it motherfucking is.
Okay.
Anyway, let's get started on this.
This is why there's no liberal Joe Rogan now originally the the title was this is why there's a doctor jihad
Just kidding the original title was Hassan piker is not your enemy, right?
Um, Hassan piker is not your enemy was the original title here
And a lot of people are picking some choice quotes out of this. Okay
Great piece overall. I'm going to go through it. I'm going to read it with you guys
and a necessary one, and one that is ultimately very consequential, and one that also vindicates
me even in this community. Because for years, a lot of you have been very angry at Ezra
Klein for good reason. I have my disagreements with Ezra Klein. I've let him know. I've
let him be known time and time again. But I always maintain the position that he
He is far more responsive and far more open-minded than the average liberal is, right?
Like I've always said, I don't know what it is about Ezra Klein, but I think there's
something about Ezra Klein that, you know, regardless of his liberalism, he's not as
firmly planted his heels on the gospel of neoliberalism or at least like he's more
open-minded to and more responsive to you know what the fuck is actually going
on right I said I have my differences in opinion with Ezra Klein but I
appreciate the thoughtfulness on the discussion around reducing ideological
opponents 10 second quotes platforming and of course the reality that the
Israel discourse has shifted out of the old constructs mainstream media
clings onto. All right. This was the most critical post you live in trove soundbites
and racism as an anti-American Neo baby, Neo baby. What is a Neo baby? I'm a Neo baby.
Like, like a baby that just is a new kind of baby. The fuck's this guy saying? Jim Walden
got so mad. He, he didn't write NEPO baby. He wrote Neo baby who wants Marxism but chose
to come back to America rather than go into Lebanon Gaza or remaining in Turkey as it is plainly
America doesn't deserve that. You yeah, I mean, I don't think America deserves me,
but America got me baby. You know what I mean? That's a Vicky Paladino's lawyer.
Yeah. It is pretty funny. Opposite of a paleo baby. Yeah, true.
Stop coping. He got you good. Yeah. He destroyed me.
He called me a Neo baby. I've never heard that before.
I do not like that as it basically says in the article that ethno states are a normal
thing. Yeah, yeah, we have our disagreements. Okay. You pick and choose. You pick and choose.
All right. It's fine. You have to understand. He's not going to come out and write an
article to be like Yahya Sinbar is, you know, like vindicated or something. He's
not gonna do that. Like what are you fucking nuts? This is a fairly, this is an important
moment because he is in many respects saying the truth, okay? And unfortunately, in this
day and age, saying the truth requires courage. It's important. It's an important step in the
right direction. I'm not going to fucking cast aside. I'm not going to just like shit on him
for doing that, okay? I'm not going to shit on him for doing that, especially when he could
adjust as easily leaned in or never said anything about this or just as easily leaned into the
same exact narratives over and over again. This is an important, this is an important step in
the right direction, okay? This is an important step in the right direction. You have to
to be more graceful and more gracious when you receive these kinds of gifts, okay?
Because sometimes, if everyone is lying, saying the truth is a gift.
Okay?
I mean, ethno-states are a fairly normal thing.
Unfortunately, a lot of states are ethno-states, but Israel's unique part is being an ethno-state
while occupying an equal number of people who are not of the ethnicity.
Yes.
Also, ethno-states are not good regardless and are inherently self-defeating.
One of the best examples of this is obviously Japan, right?
Like, that's, you know, Japan is destroying itself in order to maintain its ethno-state
status.
So what the fuck do you, what more do you want to see?
I mean, there are living, breathing examples.
breathing examples of how, you know, the maintenance of an ethno state ends up being totally untenable.
All right. This is why there's no liberal Joe Rogan. Let's get started. It's a 12 minute
and 55 second article. After the 2024 elections, there was panic among Democrats about the
absence of a liberal Joe Rogan. Could one be found? Could one be created? It was
an epic exercise in missing the point. You cannot have a liberal Joe Rogan because Rogan
is not particularly political. His audience cohere around conversation with comedians,
MMA fighters, bodybuilders, and psycho knots. That's what made him politically influential.
He could reach millions of people who were not otherwise interested in politics. The
problem Democrats actually had, one of them anyway, was that they didn't like Rogan
and criticize others for going on his show. They tried repeatedly to cancel him for
his comments about trans people, his skepticism about COVID vaccines to the extent that he is
now a right-coded figure. It's not because he started that way. Rogan's political views
are mixed. He backburning Sanders in 2020, he supports universal healthcare and abortion
rights. He dislikes vaccine mandates and lacks border control. But it shouldn't have
been a surprise when after years being attacked by the left, he endorsed Donald Trump in 2024.
The simplest way to tell people which side they're on is to tell them how much
your side hates them. Now, I don't even fully agree with this assessment, right? Although,
I agree with the spirit of being a little bit more tactful in the way that we communicate.
And this is something that the left also absolutely needs to understand internalized when you're
trying to build a fucking coalition. Because think about it this way, if I was, you know,
constantly bouldering as a recline, probably would have had less interest in taking a
sincere look at, you know, what I put out there, right? It's just, we do honestly have a problem
sometimes where we behave very anti-socially. You don't have to make concessions, you don't have to
concede on these people's worldview at all, right? Not the same as Rogan. No, I mean, this is,
I have been unbelievably critical of Joe Rogan, but there's never a moment where I was like,
I can't believe Bernie Sanders would go on Joe Rogan. Whenever people brought that up,
I was like, shut the fuck up. Of course, gonna go on Joe Rogan. He's trying to win.
You know, he's trying to win the election. Right? Like, I, I obviously am unbelievably
critical of Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan will never have me on a stream to show for that reason.
Right? But the reality of the matter is, it's important for people to go on Joe Rogan.
I would go on Joe Rogan if asked. I would go on Tucker Carlson if asked.
right? Like, I don't have any issues with that at all. Many in this community would have an issue
with that. They say, you're platforming, you're normalizing him because, you know, we have our
moral posture. We have our convictions. And sometimes we forget that, you know, person to
person, peer to peer communication requires you to be a little bit normal and to dance around,
down to take the victories that you get, okay? Joe Rogan doesn't ask people on. They ask
to be on. Yeah, no, I know.
All right. That brings me to a more important than it might look controversy that has burst
out over the leftist Shreemura Salm, Piker. He had a breakout moment over the past year
as Democrats began obsessing over the absence of a liberal Joe Rogan and Piker who mixes
leftist policies of brooch aesthetic was proffered as a possible answer, a category error. Because
again, the whole point of Rogues political power is that his show mostly avoids politics,
but pick over pikers years of streaming. And you can find offensive things. He said among them
that America deserve 9 11, that his favorite flag is has the laws that a liberal's honest
is akin to a liberal Nazi. Now that last one, that last two even is, is not, you know,
offensive to me or to many others as well. But you know, I guess it's offensive to the
perspective of the kind-hearted liberals reading the New York Times opinion editorial section
on a Sunday morning. Streamer has said offensive things isn't really a news story, but then
Abdul El Sayed, the more DSA-ish candidate in the Democratic Senate primary, Michigan
began rallying with Piker. That led third way, a centrist group that previously demanded
that Democrats draw a line to the sand and Sean Hassan, Piker and his fellow Jew haters
to send a letter to outside demanding details about how closely you align with his most
abhorrent views. Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the anti-defamation league, also known
as the apartheid defense league, said Piker reflected the dangerous normalization of
anti-Semitism in our politics.
Politico then asked the number of possible 2028 Democratic hopefuls whether they would
appear on Piker show. Governor Gavin Newsom and Rahm Emanuel said they would. Representatives
Rokana and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez already had Senator Scorri Booker, Ruben Gallego and
Alisa Slotkin said they wouldn't. I think there's a rather, I think there's rather a lot wrapped
up in this controversy. So let's take it piece by piece. Immediately goes into it
and cuts away at the whole thing. He said, is Pyger a Jew hater as third way alleges
in an interview with the writer, Aaron Regenberg, Pyger addressed some of his worst
comments. I find some of his answers compelling and others less so. The comparison of liberal
Zionist and Nazis, for instance, is repugnant and not much improved by Parker clarifying
that he opposes ethno-states. What made the Nazis notable wasn't their support for an
ethno-state. Ethno-states are common. What made the Nazis notable was their effort
to exterminate the Jewish people. And Parker's assertion that his opposition
is to all reactionary ideologies, hard to square with his admiration for Hezbollah.
Okay, two things. So this is his disagreements with the way I've presented myself. Here's the issue.
The reason why I say Israel is a Nazi country or Zionism is a Nazi ideology is because
that is the truth. It's a reactionary, nationalistic, fascist ideology akin to Christian nationalism
that we experience here in the United States of America. It's base boosted because Israel
has been carrying out that violence that is the underpinning, undergirding ideology of the state
in order for Israel to exist as a Jewish state that is built on top of millions of Palestinians,
many of which are not Jewish, you have to ethnically cleanse those Palestinians,
and that's precisely how it works, right? There are plenty of states that have been
designed as ethno-states or turned into ethno-states like Japan is one of the greatest modern examples
of this, right? Japan also did its own indigenous genocide in an effort to create an ethno-state,
right? It's true, except modern day liberals and modern day socialists and leftists and
and progressives alike do not agree with those actions,
those actions of the past,
just like we don't agree with the actions of the Nazis.
And therefore, we must not agree with the actions of Israel
when it's happening in front of us, right?
The whole point of learning about history,
the whole point of learning about the Holocaust,
the whole point of learning about the dangers of fascism
is so that we don't fucking repeat it.
It's at the core of this principle.
Never again means never again for all,
not just never again for Jewish people, right?
So that's the point.
That is why I oppose it.
Now, I would love to have a conversation with Ezra Klein
about this particular issue
because I find it very interesting
that he's like very thoughtful,
but this is a glaringly obvious blindside
that he demonstrates, and he demonstrated that with his
Ta-Nehisi Coates conversation as well.
I think he's moved since then as well, but even then,
there's an element there, there's a, there's a blind spot
there where it's like, I grew up with this ideology,
I learned about it, and it's like impossible for me,
knowing what I know, everything that I've learned,
it's impossible for me to see it as anything,
But, and it's a, it's a glaringly obvious moral inconsistency that he actually reveals
later, uh, when he's talking about, did I say, I didn't say blind spot.
What did I say?
Did I say blindside?
Yeah.
Blind spot.
Turkey's pretty broadly recognized an ethno state by scholars, but you don't see leftists
defending Turkey as a rager of ethnic minorities on the regular.
Exactly.
And I don't do it either.
Right?
The thing about Israel is that it is exceptional, right?
What Israel is doing is exceptional.
A lot of people try to say, oh, everyone's done it without explaining that like, yeah,
they did it in like the 13th century, okay?
Or one of the more contemporary, one of the more modern examples of this is, you
know, the Holocaust.
So these are things that are roundly criticized, like routinely condemned.
It's one of the few things that most historians agree, alongside Chattel Slavery and the Holocaust,
that was like unbelievably evil.
Historians rarely look at events that have transpired and then turn around and offer
uh... some kind of
some kind of subjective uh... sentiment to it and i'll say this is bad right
usually but those are the two things that they openly say are bad
baren uh... reagan berg also had a take on as result in a nice it's existing
but will get to that in a second
actually i was really there in reagan berg also wrote that new republic
peace which i never would have thought would reach
as reclines eyes so i am
happy that it did right
when i did that i genuinely thought like i like erin i think he's a like it's very clear that he
wants to to try to like help um you know i i just thought that it's the new republic i know daniel
wrote one in the nation as well specifically addressing the the smears the accusations about
my anti-semitism and and both of these guys were like trying to uh you know communicates to a
broader audience, but it's the nation, it's the new republic like you're preaching to the converted,
right? Like for the most part. So I, you know, I didn't think that that would have the impact.
I mean, I'm eternally grateful for him doing so for saying the truth, right? Because the reality
of the matter is it is objectively a courageous act. It shouldn't be, but it is a courageous act
to say the truth sometimes, right?
This is a return. I'm grateful for Ezra Klan's super thoughtful column today,
and also appreciate that he referenced a piece I wrote on Hassan, but I need to make one,
in my opinion, correct the point. Ezra wrote, what made the Nazis notable wasn't their support
for ethno-says. Ethno-says are common. What made the Nazis notable was their effort to
exterminate the Jewish people. I think Ezra probably agreed, if push came to shove, that
the Nazis were notable before their launch of the final solution in 1941. It'd be fair
to say what made the Nazis most notable, but what made the Nazis notable is just
not really defendable as a precise statement of that. It's true. You know, the mechanized
death of all the victims in the Holocaust, 6 million Jews and millions of others as well,
that is what made the Nazis the most notable. But they were certainly notable before that,
The Nazis were the Nazis in 1933 and 1935 and 1939, etc. They were bad and they were worth
opposing before they began their effort to exterminate the Jewish people. And I don't
think it makes much sense to say we can only analogize them or learn lessons about them
post 1941. And that's kind of an important point because that's precisely what we are
that doing right
that's precisely what we're doing we're trying to stop
fascism from taking root
to reach it's
you know worse conclusions and for israel it has already reached that
israel has already reached the
concentration camp death camp holocaust status
that and and they've done so in broad daylight
you know
which is also crazy
as a client's essay on the Sompiker at least comes out with the correct position, but this
idea that we're dealing with a different Israel today ignores the fact that the romanticize
Israel older people remember was established the rock knock but exactly that's precisely
what it is. Right? That's, that is the, the significant difference in opinion between
someone like myself and anti Zionist and, and someone like Ezra Klein, who at least
is like more open minded to the anti Zionist perspective than the average liberals
on his days because the average liberal Zionist is completely either dropped the whole liberalism
element of it and is maybe only coming back to it like Jay Street is in an effort to just
like hold on to whatever allegiance that America could continue having with the nation
state of Israel, right?
Um, but let's keep going because this part is just one aspect of it because he's going
to, you know, turn around and, and, uh, I read the whole article chat, I know,
But to only focus on those comments is to miss much else that Piker has said and believes.
He has also said, from pogroms to the Holocaust, Jews have always been singled out by those
in power as a scapegoat for the instability and economic volatility that people in power
caused.
A resilient nation, anti-Semitism is a constant threat.
He has called anti-Semitism gross, immoral, and a hate crime.
He has promoted John Ossoff, a Democratic senator from Georgia, who is Jewish, as
a 2028 presidential possibility.
In previous presidential primaries, Piker supported Bernie Sanders, who is also Jewish.
It is an unusual form of Jewhatred that calls out anti-Semitism and promotes Jewish Americans
for the presidency.
I have deep disagreements with Pyger, but he isn't a Jewhater, he's an anti-Zionist,
and here I think the real stakes of this fight come into view.
We are living through a rupture in both the meaning and the reality of Israel, a
Gallup poll from February found for the first time that more Americans sympathize
with the Palestinians than with the Israelis.
Democrats the gap was overwhelming with 65% who sympathized more with the Palestinians and 17%
with the Israelis. The differences I have argued is largely generational. Older Americans still
view the Israelis more sympathetically, but among Americans aged 18 to 34, 53% sided with the
Palestinians and 23% with the Israelis. This is new. Before 2023, young people and Democrats
were more likely to side with the Israelis. This is not a result of an international psi-up
or a perfusion of memes. The Israel that young people know is not the Israel that older people
remember. Now, this gives, as were Klein's perspective, a little bit more clarity, right?
Because I've been here for the last decade and a half professionally in my career as an
anti-Zionist. It's an open, avowed anti-Zionist, right?
The old Israel is still the new Israel. The new Israel is just accelerated
and is doing this in broad daylight. It's accelerated. It's mowing of the law and
operations. It's accelerated. It's domination and complete
annexation of the West Bank. But those wounds
continued. Those strikes continued in the old Israel. It's just that
the media environment and the perception of the Western world of old Israel was the country that
dominated all of the Arabs. Okay, all the pesky Arabs that got together and tried to fight the
Jewish state over and over again was met with fierce resistance, right? Like that was the
attitude. A lot of boomers are still on that mindset. They don't recognize Israel as a,
as an apartheid state that is conducting a genocide that's taking over Lebanon,
taking over territory in Syria that is endlessly expanding and is a danger to all of its neighbors
and to all civilians and even a danger to its own citizens as well if you care about that sort of
thing. So that's always been the case. It's just now virtually impossible to avoid that reality.
Okay? For many who did not grow up with the old Israel, the only moral nation in the Middle
East, the only democracy in the Middle East mentality, which was a lie, right? For many
who only know Israel as the genocide-air state, who only know Israel through the arrogance
that its envoys demonstrate who only know Israel through Israel's domestic interest in
the United States of America.
Constant demands for cancellations, constant demands for doxing people, constant demands
for firing people for, for turning around and, and, and, you know, saying something that
a lot of people believe saying something that a lot of people saw with their own
Likewise, that Israel is a malignant actor in this region and a malignant force in American politics, right?
For simply supporting Palestine, for simply supporting Palestinian sovereignty,
it doesn't happen anymore. That was the first experience that many people had and they will never change their mentality.
it is never going back. Right?
Ezra Klein changed the Hassan opinion title nine minutes ago. Guys, please, it doesn't
fucking matter, okay?
Ezra Klein has no say on the title changes, okay? Title changes are editorial decisions
made by the editorial board of the opinion editorial piece, opinion editorial team in
the New York Times. And the title changes don't matter, okay?
continue. They're A-B testing different titles. We do it as well, okay? It's normal. It responded
to the savagery of October 7 by flattening Gaza in a brutal campaign that killed at least
70,000 Gazans, take control of more than half the territory, and hurting Gazans, more than
two million people, into the remainder. Life there remains hellish. Israel has made
hopes of a two-state solution fanciful by slicing the West Bank up into Israeli
settlements and abetting constant settler violence and keeping a boot on the throat
of the Palestinian Authority. It has used the Iran war as an opportunity to launch
an invasion of Lebanon, displacing more than a million people and announcing that as many
as 600,000 won't be allowed to return to their homes until Israel decides otherwise.
The Knesset just voted to legalize hanging as a punishment for Palestinians who are convicted
of killing Israelis and terrorist attacks. This is on the one hand, like even the language
that he uses. This is something that Tana Hesse coats also pointed out. If you remember
in that conversation that they had almost a year and a half ago where Tana Hesse
He said, you always say the more militant forces on the Palestinian side are savages, but you
never use similar language when you're talking about the Israeli side.
The Israeli side is still a democracy, right?
It still has that consideration of existing as a liberal democracy.
So if it's a democratic decision that Likud is abiding by, they're simply operating on
the majority's desires.
Okay?
Yeah.
He says, right when he extremists, when it comes to Israelis, including the settlers,
he says, savagery and barbarians, when it comes to Hamas, when it comes to the
Palestinian resistance, right?
People are still people.
Palestinians still had dreams, it hopes, right? They had goals just as the Israelis do.
So that's something to consider that's implicit bias that comes out in moments like this.
I'm obviously not going to lean into it too much because this stuff is far more important to have
in the New York Times op-ed piece, right? Part of that racism is part of the state
versus non-state dynamic that almost everyone subscribes to, even though you still hear it
or don't hear it nearly the same language you hear for Hamas or Hezbollah as you do for Iran.
Yes, we have obviously addressed this many times over on this broadcast. Americans have
this established attitude about state versus state violence versus, as opposed to state versus
non-state actors and who gets to do violence and what that violence is perceived as. Israel
Israel is a nation-state, Israel is a democracy, when they behave in certain ways, no matter
how violent it is, no matter how unbelievably violent it is, we think of it as like an expression
of democracy, of the democratic process in Israel, right?
That's precisely the reason why it's very different, it's a very different calculation
when you've got a foreign minister who can speak to Americans, an Iranian foreign
minister who can go on American television and be and and demonstrate that you know he has multiple fucking phd's all of a sudden
Americans can hear from him
Very different attitude is developed in that process, right?
That's why it's huge that Benjamin Netanyahu is from Philadelphia like this is a very
Consequential element. I promise you it plays a major role
That's why he does the Hebrew language proposals, and then he does the English one.
And I always tell you, there's very, there's key differences in the way that he communicates
to the Western world versus the way he communicates to the Israeli population, right?
Anyway, third way suggests you can identify Jew haters by their use of loaded words
taught in social justice seminars, apartheid, genocide, settler colonialism. If that is the
test, then a large number of American Jews now fail it. Israel as it is behaving today
and as it is constructing itself for tomorrow is incompatible with any normal understanding
of liberal values. That's it. That's the fucking truth, Nuke. That's also the contradictory
statement that he, that contradicts with his previous statement of like liberal Zionism
is also liberal Nazism, where he goes, ah, you know, ethno states exist, and chill out.
That is correct. That is correct. It's just 100% correct. It is utterly incompatible with
modern-day liberalism. It's utterly incompatible with modern rules of conduct, modern rules
of warfare, rules of engagement, it is siege warfare that most people thought we left behind
in like the fucking 15th century.
America's bringing it back too.
And obviously a lot of Israel defenders will say, what are you talking about?
because if there's no Jews, there's no news, right? Like, look at Sudan. Look at Sudan.
Now, the difference there is that, the difference there is twofold, okay? What is happening in
Sudan is heinous. It's a genocide. It's backed by the United Arab Emirates, and therefore, in some
ways backed by Israel as well, and Western forces, or at least Western governments turn a blind eye
to these atrocities. But that's not because there's no Jews involved in that situation.
That's because the United Arab Emirates doesn't have as pervasive of a fucking lobby in the
United States of America that constantly demands you get fired from your job for saying what's
going on in Sudan as a genocide. Ironically enough, it is the pro-Israeli groups and
institutions that have created this kind of resistance against Israel in the
United States of America, right? That's a big part of it, because Americans are
somewhat selfish people, right? That's it, because there are atrocities unfolding
all around the world. The difference, the other key difference is, and this is
precisely the reason why those pro-Israel groups have to exist in
western world, is because Israel is carrying out these atrocities with our weapons. Israel
is carrying out these atrocities with our unlimited funds and our unlimited defense,
both political defense at the United Nations General Assembly, but also with direct defense
in the form of Tamir interceptors, for example, fat missile launchers, anti-air defense
systems, sometimes directly putting our soldiers on the line, their lives on the line to
defend the nation state of Israel. That's the key difference. That's a huge difference.
Okay, this will be clipped out of context and you will see it in the news, XD. Wait, what?
I don't know what you are even pointing to because nothing I said is wrong.
Do you understand? Like, I am of this mindset that if, you know, Belgium was doing what it
used to do in the Congo, right? Like right now. And America was like, no, you have to do that.
This has to happen. We have to also forcibly put Belgians in there, you know, and establish
settlements and stuff like that. Yeah, there would probably be similar anger and resentment.
That's how it is. There will be no Palestinian state to the west of the Jordan River, Benjamin
Enioz said, for years I've prevented the creation of that terror state against tremendous pressure
built domestic and from abroad. We have done this with determination and with astute statesmanship.
That exact paragraph in the article is why you can't be a liberal Zionist. There's no such
thing. Yeah, I mean, you can be, but it's just like there's varying degrees of fascist sentiment,
right? And it exists in America as well. I'm going to always bring it back to America.
Like you have Christian nationalist, white supremacists, you have varying degrees of people
who demonstrate that kind of like underlying racist sentiment, anti-blackness, you know,
anti-immigrant sentiment, things of that nature, right? Not every single person is going to be
Maxed out on the fucking Nazi spectrum and it's no different on liberal Zionism versus ultra Zionism as well
Right. That's how it is some of you know people in your lives who are otherwise very kind people
But have these like massive fucking blind spots when it comes to I don't know the way that they approach
Black people for example, right like maybe they don't act out on those desires luckily
but they still have those opinions, right? Like they still carry a little bit of that resentment, a little bit of that
fear, the unjustifiable fear. Our goal here is to identify that and tackle it, right?
Identify that, combat it, help people come to better conclusions, right?
That's how systemic racism exists.
All right.
And it's not different for Zionism
Like I deal with fucking people who have you know fascist adjacent beliefs on a daily fucking base
I try to convince them and it's the same for liberal Zionists as well
So it's very frustrating to me when people make it seem like there is this other eye status when I say how dare
When I say liberal Zionism is akin to liberal Nazis, but we'll go how dare you say that right? How dare you?
It's not that different from, you know, liberals that might have some racialized animus as well, right?
There will be no Palestinian state to the west of the Jordan River.
For years I prevented the creation of the terror state. We've done determination with the
the two statements here. Moreover, we've doubled the Jewish settlement in Judea and Samaria,
and we will continue on this path. Anti-Zionism is a rising response to what Israel is doing.
Well, it's a response to what Israel was doing and is still doing, right?
It will simply not be possible to treat it as a marginal viewpoint that can be shamed or
shunned into invisibility. Yes, anti-Semitism often cloaks itself in anti-Zionism,
So don't do the anti-Semites work for them if you keep telling people that if they this is a huge this bars
If you keep telling people that they oppose the jewish state, then they must hate jewish people eventually they will believe you
Felix bederman uh in the last chapeau episode put this in in less kind terms
Where he said if you think hassan piker is an anti-Semite and you want to cast him aside
Even though he cares about anti-Semitism 8,000 times more than I do Felix said this as a Jewish man
You're not gonna like what comes next
Okay
He's right
He's unbelievable that they're still playing this fucking idiotic game. They're just not even recognizing it, right?
The impulse to cut those off with whom we disagree reaches far beyond piker or the Israel-Palestinian debate
it sits at the heart of cancellation as a political tactic.
It relies on a belief in the power of gatekeepers that might have been true in an earlier age,
but no longer reflects as the way attention is earned and held.
Tucker Carlson was ejected from Fox News and grew stronger on X and YouTube.
McFlether was banned from major social media platforms and gathered strength in the shadows.
Trump went from being banned by every major social media platform to retaking the
presidency.
But it's not just cancellation.
It's not just that cancellation has failed to silence those that target it, also weakened
those who used it.
The Democratic Party and the progressive movement was ill-served by the belief that it could
decide the boundaries of acceptable debate.
In narrowing who it could talk to, it limited what it could hear and whom it could be
heard by.
I haven't been on Rogan's show, but I've been on some of the shows in that broader
universe like Andrew Schultz's Flagrant and Lex Friedman's podcast.
I was surprised by how frustrated the hosts were about their inability to book Democrats
in 2024.
They had said things that the broader progressive universe disliked, or had conversations with
people who were anathema to the left.
And so Democrats largely avoided these podcasts, ceding them to the Trump campaign.
This was not only bad politics, but also bad democratic practice.
These shows had come from nowhere and had gained millions of loyal listeners.
They had earned their viewership by voicing something that made millions of Americans
feel seen, heard or at least interested in avoiding those places. Democrats avoided contact
with the kinds of voters they otherwise claimed to represent. This is the mistake Democrats
often make when they talk about what they did wrong in 2024.
They realize now that they should try to talk to the people who listen to these shows.
They are less likely to realize that they should listen to the people who talk on these
shows. They realize now that they should try to talk to the people who listen to
these shows, they are less likely to realize that they should listen to the people who
talk on these shows.
Beneath this is an important principle.
Conversation is not a reward to be bestowed on those with whom we agree.
It's a necessary habit in democracy.
The point is not to find agreement so much as to deepen understanding theirs and your
own.
Whether you like everything that someone has said should be severed from the question
of whether that person is worth talking to, okay? We here on the left do this as
well and obviously I don't entertain it and I think that's a major difference
that I have with a lot of other people and people will constantly look for other
reasons as to why I do that, right? Other reasons as to why I do that where
they're like, oh, there's got to be some ulterior motive here. It's because
he's hungry for cloud or whatever. It's like, no, I, I will talk to anyone and
everyone, no matter where they are.
I'm not going to compromise on my values, but I will try to convince not only my
interlocutor, but also my interlocutor's audience that might not have actually
ever encountered my perspective and certainly not encountered my perspective
without filters.
Right? Yes, we're going to talk about Orban in a second.
The space for such conversations was once wider. Wait, what? Did I? The point is not
to find agreement as much as deep an understanding. To talk with others is to believe in the
possibility of change, theirs and your own. Whether you like everything that someone
has said should be severed from the question of whether that person is worth talking
to. The space for such conversations was once wider. In 1968, William F. Buckley, Jr., the
Arch-Conservative Founder of National Review, hosted Eldridge Cleaver, the Minister of Information
for the Black Panthers on the firing line. Neither man was there to endorse the other's
politics.
I should like to begin by asking Mr. Cleaver whether he finds it inconsistent with his
ideology to encourage the assassination of Mr. Richard Nixon. Buckley said, Cleaver's
answer, I would say that if Richard Nixon was assassinated, it would only result in having
another pig in line, who possibly would need to be assassinated, bars. Buckley later hosted
Cleaver at his home. It was a different time, but it created a lasting artifact. The interview
hundreds of thousands, the interview has hundreds of thousands of views on YouTube
and remains riveting to watch. Are there people I won't have on my shows or shows
want to go on? Sure. But those judgments, for me, are more about what I think will be productive
rather than who I think can be included. Similarly, I wouldn't judge Booker or Gallego or Slockham
for avoiding Piker's show. They're busy people, and it may not be how they want to spend their
time. But there's something strange about aspiring to lead the country's left-wing
coalition and elevating the avoidance of prominent leftists to a matter of principle.
That's all the more true now. As attention isn't bestowed on the chosen few by television
networks and newspaper editors, it's won or lost in a ferocious marketplace that rewards outrage
and controversy. The winners of the attention wars today are typically people who set some outrageous
things in the past or are still saying them in the present. When you're dealing with podcast or
streamers who talk unstructured, unrehearsed for hours each week, if not every day,
there's going to be so much said that it's almost inevitable that a dossier of dumb statements
can be compiled to write those people out of acceptable political discourses to back
yourself into a shrinking, sanitized corner of the public sphere. This part is also huge.
This part is also fucking huge. Yeah, I know, I know. Peter Majar, Peter Majar won the Hungarian
elections. Okay. I'm going to talk about it. Jesus, Lord mercy. It's so funny that people
are, are, um, so ecstatic. Okay. Yes. Yes. Victor Orban is down. Okay. I know, I know,
I know. Here, I'll put it in the title too. Or Bonfer prison, Or Bonfer prison, 2028, Or
Bonfer prison, 2026. We'll do a crab dance in a second. Let me just go through this please.
Booker admitted on pot save America that when he said he would never go on piker show,
he had never heard of piker. His communications director had read him a list of the four
or five worst things Pygoras said, and Booker used that as the base for his response.
Booker got piled on for that admission, but I appreciated the honesty.
That is, in practice, a version of how many of us make our judgments.
Algorithmic media is an engine of motivated decontextualization.
We see other people in snippets that serve the agendas of those who cut them.
We are fed 30-second clips shorn from multi-hour streams, two sentence quotes
ripped from long conversations, old comments that obscure a subsequent change.
They have to be careful about being lulled into believing these shards represent anyone's
whole person.
We should not be afraid of finding out who those people are, of seeking to change them,
or of allowing ourselves to be changed by them.
That is fucking bars.
It is fundamentally what I believe as well.
It is at the heart of my politics.
It is one of the things that I constantly say, and I'm glad that a liberal is saying
that.
Okay?
saying that at a time when, let's be real, this kind of cynical standpoint epistemology
and identity politics and cancellation attempts are the tool of the right, okay?
The right will always use that to their left flank.
The right will cynically apply this to the likes of Gavin Newsom, as we saw, right?
But then the center right of the Democratic Party has consistently used this as a tool,
a weapon to destroy their left flank as well. Barney Sanders was victim to this, right? A
guy who has been on the right side of history for most of his life, if not his entire life,
that spans across multiple centuries at this point. He's 800 years old, okay? And liberals
cynically presented and painted them as this monstrous person, this figure of reactionary
sentiment, this anti-black, anti-woman misogynist, all this stuff.
Ridiculous.
Rodimia Adeoye says, honestly, everyone keeps talking about this woke 2.0 thing, but the
Hassanpager discourse has convinced me that the second iteration of this in 2028
will be far more nasty than the 2020 campaign because of the idea policing and PC sensitive
crowd will be more aggressive. Like the screen grab is going to look like light work when
2028 happens. I don't think so. And a candidate is a project for an influencer that worked
years ago who said one off-color thing and people are trying to burn this candidate forever
about it will be interesting. I don't think so. I think if our forces win, then I don't
believe that this will happen. And I hope that they will, right? Because it's objectively
silly, it's self-defeating. It betrays how normal people think and how normal people operate.
It doesn't make any sense to behave like that, right?
Democrats do need to open up, and improve, and open up conversation.
But in the example followed by Mr. Klein Gaves, there's an enormous difference between
William F. Buckley's Tom and I, as Eldridge Cleaver would almost be certainly a resident
in prison under a current regime.
I mean, I think, as a Black Panther back then, he was also under significant threat.
The American government was assassinating against the leadership.
So, Democrats do not lead a liberal Joe Rogan, they lead a Franklin, Delano, Roosevelt,
banger.
Last night, I, a Jew and a Jewish friend, both Gen Xs were bemoaning the state of Middle
Eastern politics.
We grew up planting trees in Israel.
And like many of our generation have steadfastly defended that country against its detractors.
Even when the detractors were right.
Now we both feel that Israel, like Donald Trump's America, isn't defensible.
We can't just twist ourselves into the necessary pretzels for such an exercise.
We're not happy about that.
We don't feel somehow liberated.
It's incredibly sad.
But there are some things we simply can't buy.
And Israel is now one of those things.
Like it or not, the Jewish diaspora in Israel are tied at the hip.
We're expected to support Israel financially, militarily, spiritually, no matter what.
Indeed, we are shown by our community if we don't.
The government of Israel also demands this blind allegiance.
And yet, where is my vote?
Do I get a say in whether Ben Gaviris' monster sits in the connexate or on the cabinet?
Israel wants my money and my fealty, but not my opinion.
Well, I have news for my Israeli brothers and sisters.
I have an opinion, and it isn't a good one.
Ooh!
That's a Gen X-er.
Remember, that's like outside of the younger demos, right?
Because you all in here, the Jewish anti-zionist in this community obviously have encountered
a Gen Xer in your lives that definitely is not that open-minded, right?
So that's huge.
Larry, but we don't send 4.8 billion, provide diplomatic cover and veto legitimate U.S.
sanctions for other countries.
Great column.
I'm frustrated by Democrats who refuse campaign everywhere and who can't see the
enormous opportunity of reaching voters listening to the host whom they disagree.
It's quite simple to understand that people understand when they are being condescended
to Tim Walsh, former football coach, not going on the Joe Rogan, a Yabba, an Alpha,
Kamala in 2024 will always bewilder me.
He would have been a perfect Democrat for Rogan's audience to hear from.
I agree with that as well.
At Larry for my entire 70 year life, this is like a reply to Larry, I guess who like
maybe, oh, he deleted it in shame.
Okay.
Um, a lot of people are just like dunking on Larry for my entire 70 year life.
The U.S. is at a unique and close connection with Israel that I once felt good about
Israel met just for a deeply persistent wrong people, the settler movement,
the extreme right wing and finally Netanyahu in the end of hopes for a two
state solution or just for Palestinians and then killing 72,000 Palestinian
civilians, corroded and then severed that connection.
Now I cannot support us eight for Israel and I feel deeply disappointed.
Hence the unique focus and degree of criticism.
The 32nd clip is talking about our huge part of the problem.
This media fragmentation disproportionately targets women and
politics where their tone or character scrutinized and taken out of
Context far more than their actual policy platforms. Absolutely. Absolutely.
It's, it's, it's one that certainly favors because in 30 seconds,
you can't understand everything that a person is, is about, right?
You can't understand their full scope. They're the,
who they are as a person, right? What that format actually favors white
dudes in many respects for that reason,
Because what can you pick up about a person? How can you make up your mind about a person by looking at who they are, right?
They hear, my name is Hassan, a Muslim, and I represent this worldview. They
immediately lean to certain biases. They make up their minds about my perspective for that reason. It's the same when they see a woman,
right? A black woman especially. It's the same when they see a black man.
When you get, when you get, what is this?
You're getting subtweeted by contrapoints.
Why?
Oh my God.
You knew this would happen, didn't you?
That's why the HDS shit storm didn't faze you.
because the haslamic derangement syndrome that I have withstood and have experienced
for the last almost decade at this point has prepared me for this moment. That's what it is
and it's prepared you for this moment as well because how like all the stuff that people are
bringing up you've heard a million times over you've heard people bring it up as though it's
like a new thing right oh I just found this video what the fuck is this it's like I've explained
it away a thousand times over, right? It didn't work. And it especially doesn't work now because
we're in a very different media environment. And it especially doesn't work now because
we live in a very different environment, like ideological environment where people are demanding
more. People don't have the same implicit biases that favor the development and the
protection of the nation-state of Israel, right? So that's what it is.
Yeah, most people are defending this. I bet most Democrats who object to Pygher have
never listened to his show. Instead, they've been presented with a few clips of the
most outrageous things he has said and told themselves they want nothing to do with
I saw this in real time on episode of the bulwark with Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller hardly a left-wing show
She read out a series of pikers quotes and argued why she wanted nothing to do with him
He was an irredeemable anti-semite. There was nothing more to discuss
The whole conversation was a knee-jerk reaction to anything that smacked the criticizing Israel
It's horrific treatment of passes before an October 7th. Dude. Dude. This is exactly what I was saying. You see Ellen from Philadelphia
Ellen from Philadelphia who was a bulwark fan
saw what Sarah Longwell was saying about me, calling me an anti, heinous anti-Semite, okay?
And immediately went, ah, I have heard this before. Do you understand? Do you understand why I kept
saying over and over again, we're in a very different environment. We're definitely very
different media environment. People can actually see the full context now. They can come to me,
but also very different ideological environment as well. Very different environment that,
that hears outspoken critics of Israel and sees outspoken defenders of Israel call them anti-Semites
for years and years and years, and they go, I've heard this before, right? This is precisely what
I was talking about. It's part of the reason why I was like, I'm not worried about this shit,
you know? And it's outside influence in American politics. In some circles,
who's just not allowed to point out what Israel is doing while the rest of us stand here horrified
yet afraid to say too much, less we be accused of being anti-Semitic, a brief reading of the comments
that video showed just how far apart Sarah was from her viewers. Unfortunately, Democrats are so
afraid of offending, they easily offended in the party that they don't know how to have honest
conversations with people with whom they might have some disagreement, especially when it comes
to Israel. It's really quite discouraging and not likely to build a larger coalition of the
the very people of Democrats say they want and need to attract, there seems to be more
policing on that issue than there is on anything else in the political discourse right now,
it is not helpful.
And this column is the answer to why progressives, of which I, one, have lost so many voters
and the solution to getting them back, but to accept this truth and start winning elections
will require the very few human beings, the things very few human beings can do.
Let go of the sense of superiority, gives you a sense of self esteem, be genuinely
open dialogue with those you disagree with actually talk with them in the hardest of all be open to changing your mind
The path to power lies before you
So yeah, I
Think everyone's Duncan on Larry. I suspect judging by what people have said
Judging what how people have have responded to Larry. I assume he was like, why do I pretty cure?
What does everybody care about Israel so much, you know, because everyone's like
Like, you know, it's giving Jew hatred a little bit, sweetie.
Remember this is the New York Times subscription base, right?
This is the New York Times editorial page.
These are the people who wrote 524 comments so far on this article that just came out
a couple hours ago.
Okay?
So just understand, understand that this is not, you know, the Hassanabihid constituency.
Okay.
These are the barbers and the debbers.
These are the, the highly educated urban and even sometimes suburban white liberals with
with a higher degree of educational attainment and also ones that are financially better off.
Okay, we're talking about the coastal elites that play a major role in the, in the, you
know, most, in the base of support for the Democratic Party, at the heart of the Democratic
Party, the ones that go out and vote in the primaries, the ones that go out and
vote in special elections.
This is who is right or die for the Dems.
So for them to come out and lean into what Ezra is saying is huge.
Something has changed.
This is what I've been repeatedly explaining to you over and over again, and I've seen
it with my own two eyes, right?
The New York Times closed the conversation.
They have almost 600 comments.
So they turned it off.
I was going to comment, but it shut down too many people supporting you that drives
the editors.
No, no, they like the comments.
I'm subscribing and shut down the comments because there's too much backfire.
I'm just a regular guy that wants to understand what the elites think.
No, no, no, they, I think, um, I think they do that normally.
That's fine.
I, and a, and a couple of hours once it comes out, I don't, I don't think that
the editors hate, uh, clicks and conversation that takes place under their,
the, their profiles under their, um, editorial pieces.
Anyway, I must admit I was lost reading most of this article as if I was continually caught
in an ideological maze that I could not exit.
The habits or mindsets I developed over the years of running a small organization were
dismissive of abstract theoretical discussions that always focused on how to make the systems
personnel work better. Really what the American voter is yearning for is a government that works,
that repairs roads, provides decent health care, that keeps schools safe, that provides
affordable childcare, housing transportation I could go on. But attending to the details and
processes of a well-run organization leaves little time to debate or discuss the meaning
and implications of the cultural vocabulary is now circulating in the podcast circuit.
If I have to choose between someone who, whatever their flaw stands firmly against ethnic cleansing
and genocide and someone who, whatever their virtues won't be unambiguously against these
crimes and their perpetrator, my conscience requires me to side with Mr. Piker.
That's the argument.
That is the reason why when people were like, oh, Hassan, how do you feel in this moment?
You're getting inundated with like smears and shit like that, right?
I said, I don't feel lonely at this point.
It doesn't matter because the people who are choosing to present themselves as
enemies of myself and this community are choosing to present themselves as enemies
to the overwhelming majority of the population that has seen heinous acts of
violence perpetrated with our tax dollars and demands change.
It's 90 10 issue.
Right.
It's a fucking 90-10 issue
The moderates in the Democratic Party constantly complain we need to reach out to other voters and stop canceling each other
That the extremists in the party keep forcing them into unpopular positions
Then they run into a genuinely popular voice of Kassan piker and because he insults Israel and pushes Medicare for all
He needs can't he needs to be cancelled and ostracized even those
ideas are much more popular than moderate positions like unlimited aid to Israel and no limits on drug prices who really are the
Extremists this is also another attitude shift that is brewing
Okay, this is also important to understand. I believe it was Morris cats
Who did the ad campaign for Zoram on Donnie and fight agency that had a really interesting podcast?
had a really interesting conversation on, I think it was the nation's podcast,
writing fascism podcast, where he basically said, Americans think Trump is a moderate.
It's true, they do. Americans think Zoram-Mamdani is a moderate. Americans
think Bernie Sanders is a moderate. Americans think Kamala Harris is a radical. Why?
Now, of course, demographics play a role in this, but Zoram-Mamdani is a brown guy,
right? He's brown, he's Muslim, he's socialist, and he's an anti-Zionist, right?
So Kamala Harris is partially seen as a radical because, which is a black woman
from California, certainly plays a major role in that dynamic, as opposed to
Donald Trump, who is an insane person and yet seen as a moderate from their
own from the perspective of the base on his side. Now, why is that the case?
Because Trump is a populist. He is a right-wing, sloppy list that has been,
especially in the first 2016 election, a heterodox Republican, right? He had a
lot of positions that he advanced, like not touching Medicare, not touching social security,
things like that, that were truly unique to the Republican position, never been
heard of before from any Republican, right? Well, simultaneously leaning heavily into
you know, anti-immigrant sentiment and racism and things of that nature. So, that is,
That is, yeah, I mean, this is it. Yeah. This is like, it's a meme, but it's kind of how it works. Okay.
The aristocrat political pundit class completely oblivious to how the median voter thinks.
They're how you get situations like Kamala campaigning with Liz Cheney. Yeah.
The average American thinks Kamala Harris is a radical because the only things that
they've heard from Kamala Harris are, are choice quotes that the opposition is defined
as someone who is only invested in giving bottom surgeries to the Guatemalan undocumented
migrants.
Why does the median voter, why do the mainers not see Graham Plattner as a radical, whereas
the entire commentary it sees Graham Plattner's worldview as far too radical for the moderate
to vote for?
Why is that the case?
Why is that the case?
Why is there such a major disconnect with the way that the average voters perceive
Graham Plattner versus the blue sky liberals and the commentary and the way they see Graham
Plattner?
Because Graham Plattner is uncompromising in his advocacy for trans people, but Graham
Plattner is offering every voter something that they can understand that they can associate
with.
Grant Platter is talking about affordability. Grant Platter is talking about Medicare for
all. Grant Platter is talking about cutting ties with Israel, okay? And he's not doing
the political language around it either. He's not approaching the subject matter with the
careful way that you normally hear from experienced politicians, right?
That's it.
That is the reason. What mainstream media has presented as radical propositions is a lie,
especially when you look at how the median voter approaches that stuff.
Masher media and the analysts and the people who are backed by corporate entities and corporate
interests will tell you Medicare for all is a radical proposition. People don't want that.
People are terrified of that. Okay. People are fucking terrified of that. They don't want it at
all. Please don't advocate for that. And the politicians hear that and they go, yeah,
that must be true. And a lot of liberals hear that and go, I'm internalizing that message.
I agree with it as well. I'm a real Deborah, as you say, I'm 62 years old, college educated,
New York Times, House of Knobby head, even a wine drinker. You've pegged me 100%. Exactly.
Also Debbie, you shouldn't say you've pegged me. That's, oh no.
Hey, yo. That made some different around these parts. Okay. Yeah, near a tandem also had
a tangent, near a tangent more like, right? And this was off with one of my choice quotes
on, on the podge. I said, I want the democratic party to treat me like a never-trumper, right?
You said you wouldn't vote for Gavin Newsom against JD Vance in 2028 and vote third party.
I don't even think that's going to be a problem.
A lot of people, including people who share a lot of your critiques of the party, hear
that and think like this is the problem.
When the stakes are concrete, like advance presidency and other four years of what
we're living through, the people who say they're building a movement would rather
preserve their own power than do what winning requires and hold your nose and
vote for what you believe would be a lesser of two evils, like how do you respond to that?
I want the Democratic Party to treat me like a never-trumper. I want the Democratic Party
to treat me like a triple-trump voter, okay, because it turns out that's all they're tuned
into. So if that, if what it takes for the Democrats to turn around and be like, wait
a minute, we're losing this guy, we have to win him over again or whatever, instead
of just like taking my vote for granted, as they've done so over and over again for
to the left flank, then I'm gonna say things
that may or may not end up being true,
but it doesn't matter, we're so far out
from the election anyway that it's like,
I'm just saying, look, now is your opportunity
to find a good candidate instead.
But you see, as we head into these,
that like after what we've lived through
these last years, the stakes
and the stark difference between even a Democrat
who you and I might find not up to par,
to say the least versus vans or whoever the fuck they put up.
Of course. I mean, I hate Republicans. I oppose them. I say that all the time. I think that
the Republicans are far more damaging. The biggest terrorist, the biggest domestic terrorist in this
country, the biggest terrorist internationally is the Republican party. And not only that, but it's
just like, they like, I want to fight against the growing fascist movement in this country.
my frustration with the democrats is their conciliatory attitude towards that
and and their lack of investment in this struggle
this this idea that you know on the one hand you say donald trump's a dangerous
force i see that i recognize that but then you turn around
and you take on his anti-immigrant narratives and anti-immigrant
messaging from the 2020 election that you won and decide you're going to be
the sincere candidate that ends up uh... you know
uh... dealing with the growth of of migration in this country
it's a failure
if you were serious about being an anti-fascist you're serious about
combating these forces
you would take it more seriously
uh...
near tennessee the never-trucks of the democratic party a lot better than
piker does i said i voted actively doorknock for fun rays platform dams
progress cost for the last decade and a half
well they were working to pose your agenda
the issue is you have more in common with them than you do with me and
And that's the problem you're facing right now, to which she responded with perhaps
there's a semantic difference here. Never Trump or championed, even though they disagree
with her on a lot of policies. They did so because they saw the stakes of the election,
how things like, how things like this other disaster of the last year could happen.
They also championed Biden and Hillary for the same reason. I'm glad you work for
so many progressive causes, but saying you see no difference in common Trump and
blasting that out to millions to help Trump. And 2024 was an existential election. Now,
maybe those statements were taken out of context. Happy to engage in conversation
any time. Okay. Here's the thing. The never Trumpers didn't have to get concessions because
they got those concessions ahead of time with the way that Kamala Harris presented herself.
This is the problem. And these people don't want to understand that. It's not just parading
around with Liz Cheney. It's also saying things like, I'm going to, I'm going to
command the most lethal military at the DNC, refusing to have a Palestinian speaker
of the DNC. If you have a trans speaker at the DNC, what you communicate in the finite
amount of time that you have 107 days to win an election with your campaign is important.
It's consequential. And the Democrats actively communicated to the Never Trump agenda. They
actively communicated to try to win over the suburbanites, the white relatively well-off
Suburban voters. Okay, that's it. That's it.
Yeah, you literally have 25,000 hours of anti-republic commentary. You shouldn't really have
the doorknock. Yeah, I mean, look, it's also silly to say like, oh, you just only say that
Trump and Kamala Harris are the same over and over again. It's a blanket statement that you're
you're applying, that absolutely betrays the nuance of my analysis, my commentary.
It's a totally ridiculous thing to keep slapping on over and over again.
My anger and resentment was Kamala Harris' methods of communication, where she was trying
to present herself as somewhat Trumpian on a lot of the issues that matter.
That's the problem.
the problem anyway yeah we're building the wall after eight years of saying you
know the wall is a is a racist and unnecessary expenditure turning around
and being like we're gonna be the build the wall party now Trump is not
since you're about building the wall. It's fucking ridiculous.
Right? It's totally ridiculous. You do that. People are going to look at you and go,
you're inconsistent. You're a failure. You're weak. And now I believe what you're telling me.
Right? Maybe we do need to build the wall. Maybe immigrants are a national security threat.
Maybe Trump is right. I'm going to vote for the guy who's been right all along then.
I'm not going to vote for you. I'm going to vote for the other guy.
That is the calculation. You're pushing people to vote for your opposition
when you concede on the hysteria that they've concocted.
Yeah, I think back to that 60 minutes interview where Harris said Iran was the biggest threat to
America and I cringe. Exactly. You can't get away with like saying shit like that over and over again,
presenting yourself as like a war hawk, and then get mad when Trump took advantage of that to
turn around and say, oh, see, I'm actually the peace king. I'm a peaceful dove. Look,
they're running around with Liz Cheney. They're saying they're accepting the
the endorsement of Dick Cheney, right? It's fucking ridiculous. Don't try to rewrite
the history, okay? I totally agree with this, but I wish more of this big tech energy was
directed to people who drove Jared Golden and Joe Manchin out of Congress rather than
the meta discourse about podcasts. Oh my God, Maddy Glacius. Yeah, no, the Democrats
are not conciliatory enough to the right wing forces within the party.
The Kline essay on Piker is good because it might be the first time someone with a large
purple platform says this, we don't talk to people who disagree with mindset is new.
It took off post-2016 with the rise of political correctness, the activists of the past did
not act like this.
And it's ironic because when American politics were more openly racist sexes, people
were actually arguing more. That open conflict is part of how things changed and improved
over time. People saw the disagreement and allowed them to decide their beliefs, which
helped the left. I don't understand how people who want society to improve expect to get there
by refusing to engage with opposing views. You can't change minds if you won't talk
to them. Enjoy the echo chamber, but it's just not going to change your community
or the world. And just dismissing people as white men podcast is engaging their
arguments is not serious. You're putting ideas into public discourse should be
willing to defend them. Falling back on identity policy just shows you're lazy.
Yeah, Tim Wallace also said he would do a nuclear first strike on Iran. Like, what
are we talking about? The forever-wrongmatic lazy is at least he isn't
that creature. Michael Schuster, Richard Hananya, who loves sex crimes. Oh my god,
Richard Hananya. Oh, brother. Oh, brother.
Matt Iglesias makes Nick Shirley look like Noam Chomsky.
That's awesome. Yeah.
So, I think this is a big deal, because a lot of people will read this, a lot of people
will see this, and they will retreat, as Trey Easton has as well.
Look, I don't think Sompiker is the enemy, I just wish that he and his followers didn't
treat the Democratic Party like it's their enemy, right?
And then, he retreats back into, never Trumpers don't make concessions, yet they don't have
to.
They're doing it right now though, right?
The Democratic Party, by force, it has to reckon with its left flank, okay?
And once that happened, you and all the others who represent the interest of never Trumpers
decided you had an issue with that.
You didn't want to expand the tent to the fucking left, you wanted to expand the
tent to the fucking right.
That's why this conversation's taking place, but I'm glad that he's at least smart enough
to retreat from the conversation after spending weeks and weeks talking about this shit.
They try to avoid talking about you because they know their perspectives are milto's
bullshit and they know the risk losing their liberal audience to rising class consciousness
of building a true movement.
Yes.
Anyway, we have some fantastic news. Why not global? If Orban falls, Israel could lose its EU firewall.
Hungary repeatedly uses EU veto to block sanctions on Israel if opposition leader Peter Majar wins
and aligns with Brussels to unlock billions of funding. Jerusalem could, you know, lose their EU firewall.
Our wall and guess what?
Lo and behold.
Hungry is prime.
Hungry.
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Victor, Michali Orban, Hungarian lawyer and politician who has been the 56th Prime Minister
of Hungary, also known as MagyaristƔn.
Since 2010, as finally, after being reelected as Prime Minister in 2014, 2018, and 2022,
has lost his seat to his opposition.
That's right, ladies and gentlemen, boys, girls, and M.B.s. Peter Magyar will be the
next leader of Magyaristan.
Peter Magyar, Hungarian politician and lawyer.
Serving as the president of the TISA party
is after spending a good deal of time
being a member of the European Parliament since 2024.
Well, the next leader of Hungary.
Victor or Bond, more like Victor or Band Victor or Bond, more like Victor or God
Lost to a lawyer, R.I.P. Bozo to the fascist piece of shit
Woo.
A Donald Trump ally, a Benjamin Netanyahu ally, a Vladimir Putin ally, as a matter of
fact, is now out.
All right, so we'll talk about that, obviously.
Every election, Prime Minister Viktor Orban concedes defeat to opposition ending 16 years
in power.
Let's take a look.
Minister Viktor Orban has conceded defeat in the country's election, ending 16 years
of power.
He has congratulated opposition leader Peter Manjar, whose party is on track to win a
two-thirds majority in parliament.
Nearly half of the votes have been counted.
Hungary's election committee reported a record turnout.
out. All right, we're gonna go live on this breaking news to our correspondent,
Steph Vasan. She joins us now from Budapest. Steph, obviously this is a huge
result for the opposition. What are you seeing? What are you hearing where you
are?
What an evening here for the people here. Low key.
It turns out sometimes you can actually elect fascist out of office.
And that gives me a little bit of confidence about our future.
as well. I mean, it shouldn't take 16 fucking years, but, you know, it turns out sometimes,
you know, democracy could restore hope at the ballot box. Now, obviously I have criticisms
of him. Everyone's going to yell at me, but I have criticisms and concerns, let's say,
Peter Majar as well. Okay. I do have concerns obviously this doesn't mean that you know this is
this doesn't mean that you know things are going to be very good. It's just objectively going to be
better than you know living under the command of Orban. When they're hungry it's all over for
Victor. Why not voice them because I just started covering the story because the most
consequential aspect of this is that Victor or bond is gone for the time being. Can I just fucking,
you know, walk through the steps of covering the story without getting backseat production notes.
After 16 years, they can barely believe it. But it's absolutely happening. It doesn't
landslide victory for opposition leader Peter Majer, who only worked for like two years to
reach this unbelievable result. He has now a very comfortable two-thirds majority projected
for him to win because this is very important. A two-third majority in parliament is important
to change the constitution, which was so well crafted and changed by Viktor Alban in the
in the last 16 years to get more control over the state institutions, over the democratic
institutions to control the media.
So this is all that Pieter Macho can change, and his party can change when he gets his
seats in parliament.
And this is also very telling for populists around the world that a populist leader
who has used the propaganda machine of the state, who has silenced the media, can still
be beaten.
something that this party and this leader, Peter Marger, has basically managed to show.
So this is also a result that will not go down well in Washington.
The endorsement by US President Donald Trump didn't help Orban.
The last-minute visit by J.D.
Vance here to Budapest last week didn't help Orban.
Netanyahu has issued his support, didn't help.
The far-right leaders from Europe were all gathering here in Budapest in the last
couple of weeks.
This guy was the beating heart of European fascism for so many years, okay?
Right populace, totally aligned, massive dick writer of Donald Trump, JD Vance personally tried
to help him win the election. Donald Trump personally tried to help him win the election,
literally said, we'll reconsider our alleges with Hungary if Viktor Orban loses. Guy constantly
was going at CPAC. This is a fairly consequential defeat for international fascism, even if the
candidate that won, right? Peter Majar is basically like a lighter version of him.
And in some instances might even be more right-wing or more reactionary in terms of like
immigration visas and immigration into the country. Cause like Peter Majar is also,
from what I understand, I looked into his background a little bit. He is known as,
like this, this vote for him was a vote for a lot of people looking at his background and saying,
like, this is an honest guy, right? Orban, very corrupt. People see him as a very corrupt tyrant.
They saw Majar as a force that was incorruptible, uncorruptible, incorruptible.
The difference, of course, also is that Majar is not a Putin-aligned candidate
and was against it, even if he is also fucking super conservative, right?
Yes, he was in Orban's party from 2002 to 2024. He is right-wing but pro-European Union as opposed to
Orban, who was right-wing but anti-European Union, despite obviously getting a lot of
money from the EU as well. At all, didn't have the people here have decided something
completely different. They want to be closer to Brussels, something that Victor Orban has
really...
But yeah, I mean, here, like all you need to look at, dude, all you need to look at is
Victor Orban's fucking international endorsements, okay? Every light hitlerite on the planet currently
was actively petitioning to insure, okay? It was actively petitioning to insure that
he wins, like straight up. So is a real who's who of modern day Adolf Hitler's? Okay.
Dave Rubin? That's funny. Dave Rubin indoors and Matt Schlapp,
rapist extraordinaire. Yeah, Hungary's moving from fascist adjacent, adjacent right slash far
right populism towards having a normal right wing government which is honestly not great
but an improvement I guess exactly. So yeah it's not it's not exactly a massive W for
like socialism or even liberalism if we're being fucking honest. This guy is just pro
EU and we shall see. It's a step in the direction of Hungary gaining more sovereignty
I think away from the international fascist movement, which Orban was absolutely a part
of, right?
Is a moderate W?
I wouldn't even say he's a moderate.
I would say that he is firmly a right-wing guy.
He is a right-wing candidate.
To destroy, basically, in the last couple of years, the relationship has been very
bad.
You know, blocking money.
Yeah. My, my attitude on this is that a cloud district in Georgia is right is a blow to see pack in the international consolidation of the far right movement with Orban as one of its key pillars. Yeah. Orban was, was this like resilient force of like right
and and what is the the international fascist movement like he was he was a
the beating heart of fascism and its growth in the European Union so it is
significant in that regard for you aim for weapons for Ukraine so Peter Marcher
has already announced he wants to have a better relationship to get the
money back that Brussels has been blocking for Hungary to improve the
economy and to fight corruption. But it all has to be seen because Marjah, from the other
hand, is coming from the Fidesz party from Orban. He was a loyalist for many, many years.
So he has a lot of the same ideals and values as Victor Orban. The only things that are
really different is his relationship he wants with the European Union. So people here have
voted for Peter Marchard because he was uniting the opposition in the last two years.
People have reluctantly voted for him as well, but they had only one goal and that was to
get rid of Viktor Orban.
That's how much they were exhausted by his rule and also frustrated by the limits that
he puts on the democratic institutions here.
Yeah, and said it looks like you are I mean correct me if I'm wrong
But it looks like you are waiting for the opposition leader Peter Madjar to speak where you are
We can see these live pictures of the crowds and what we're seeing behind you as well
But Victor Orban has conceded this everything JD Vance touches turns in the dust whether it be the Pope the former Pope
whether it be Victor Orban's
multi-decade rule over Hungary, or whether it be the ceasefire negotiations that took place
last night that failed, right, 23 hours or whatever, 21 hours of back-and-forth communication,
and it amounted to nothing. So J. D. Vance strikes again, just truly, truly the grim reaper,
truly the fucking grim reaper. He just everywhere he goes, bad luck follows, okay?
election has he's
The Queen I don't think he did he also touch the Queen. I thought it was the I thought I was Liz trust
Okay, what exactly did you guys also link up with the Queen before she died? Oh
My god. Oh my god. I
Thought it was just a pope I
Think you guys are confusing Liz trust which is the the United Kingdoms JD Vance. I
I thought he just killed the Pope.
Has he said?
He has conceded and he has conceded very early on, you would say, but he was speaking and
he said that he accepts the result.
He congratulates Peter Marger.
He says he will go and support the opposition.
It's not clear, of course, if he will have a role in the opposition himself, but he
says, we are not done.
the fight is not over.
So it shows basically that he is willing to accept the results.
And all the talk that was happening
in the last couple of days, that there could be protests,
that there could be resistance from whoever's
going to lose, that there could be violence even.
It seems now all gone with Viktor Orman coming out
and very clearly saying, we lost.
All right, that is Al Jazeera's step
Boston reporting amidst the historic scenes in Budapest, 16 years of rule from Victor Orban
is coming to an end tonight.
Step, thank you.
The court in France is set to deliver a verdict on Monday in a landmark case.
French cement firm Le Farge is accused of financing.
I mean, that's pretty solid. It's pretty fucking solid. What would be Major's American political
politician comparison? Ironically enough, maybe a JD Vance or a Marco Rubio probably as opposed
to like Trump. If Victor Arban is the Trump equivalent, Marco Rubio would probably be
be like, no, no, it wouldn't be Mitt Romney. You're out of your fucking mind. No, it would
not be Mitt Romney at all. Mitt Romney is a woke libtard. The difference between, this
is what I'm trying to explain to you. The difference between Majar and, and Orban is,
He's not as like vast as you think it is, I think that's like, like maybe a Mike Pence.
Where should JD visit next?
This is the Pope Pope dies leads Iran negotiations talks collapse flies the hungry to prop up
or bond or bond losing a man, a landslide man's got a streak. One of the most repulsive, one
of the most repulsive individuals dude is fucking awesome.
Now of course, listen, like obviously European leaders are going to love this shit. I just
held a meeting with Peter majority. Congratulations. I'm on his victory in Hungary, France, salutes
of victory of democratic participation of the Hungarian people's attachment to the values
of the European Union and for Hungary and Europe together. Let us advance a more sovereign
Europe for the security of our continent, our competitiveness, and our democracy.
So that's, that's the key thing here is that, uh, Peter Major, in spite of being, uh, almost
as right-wing as, uh, Viktor Obann, not as right-wing, not as fascist, right? Not as
overtly fascist, uh, was, was a vote for, for, uh, you know, a candidate that was
against corruption, and a vote for a candidate that was gonna be pro-European union and like
leaning into the EU rather than leaning into Trump and also Vladimir Putin.
The Hungarian opposition was cool for doing the thing where you run Mitt Romney against
Trump.
I'd honestly respect Dems more if they just do that than if they run Kamala or Newsom
in 2028.
That's not, I don't think it's a Mitt Romney comparison.
Like, is this threat to democracy should actually reel or is it not?
Because if it was real, you wouldn't be constant trying to square the circle between fighting
back against it and also dragging your dumb ass gloves over the finish line.
Lula understood this when he made his former right-wing opponent, his VP in 2022.
I think this is a terrible take.
We should not be doing that.
But it is funny to have a guy whose name is John America.
That is, because that's what his name, like Peter Majar is like having a candidate
whose name is John America. Majari is the OG way to refer to Hungary. It's a Majeristan.
Peter Hungarian. Yeah, Mehmet Turkiet. Looks like the last bastion is gone. The Hungarians
are about to learn the true meaning of you don't know what you got till it's gone.
Again, the rest of us in Europe have just lost their only real stronghold against
the EU devastating.
In the battle between like the moderate social fascism demonstrated by the European Union
versus the outright fascism demonstrated by the MAGA movement championed by Viktor Orban,
yes, it's better in comparison, but it's also entirely dependent on where the European
Union goes. Are they trying to genuinely develop autonomy from the United States of America?
Are they going to create solidarity and develop sovereignty for themselves?
Are they going to work to decouple from Western imperialism and its forces championed by
the United States of America?
Or are they simply going to business as usual politics again?
We don't know.
There have been some statements that offer a little bit of hope that there is maybe
some sovereignty at play here, but I still am not 100% confident.
Times of Israel reporting that there is little expectation of Majar to make any actual moves
against Israel and that at most he will just be anti-Ninja while still supporting Israel
in the dealings in the European Union. Yeah, post-Orban Hungary would not expose Israel
the more you pain. And though support may add.
Yehulah Peed congratulates them as really leader of the opposition. Yehulah Peed, the son of
Hungarian Holocaust survivor, congratulates Majar Peed in Hungarian.
So, this is part of the reason why I say like I wouldn't be as confident with a new calculation
against Israel, which is a necessity, which is absolutely a necessity if if the European
Union were to genuinely develop autonomy from the United States. Okay, it's it's sitting
right there. Easiest fucking way to slide away from American control and to truly develop
dignity and sovereignty for European Union states. Okay? Yeah, this is basically replacing
the illiberal right with the liberal right, which is an improvement, but no sea change.
we shall see. We shall see. Hey, big, big, can we get some coverage on the warehouse fires?
Uh, maybe five time. Do you think the Neolib leadership ass wise will dare go for it? I
don't know. EU Parliament left president affirming what you're saying. The Orban era turns
in Hungary with relief and record turnout is a heavy defeat for Marine Le Pen and
Jordan Bardella's ally who had gone there to support him. But let's be clear, Peter
Majar is not a clean break from the Orban era. More mindful, we hope, of respect or the
rule of law. He will lead a policy firmly anchored on the right. He was a member of
Orban's cabinet and shares some of his positions with them, particularly on LGBT issues. For
instance, he refused to oppose Orban's ban on pride in Budapest or on migration
issues.
Now remains the task of rebuilding democracy in Hungary and a fighting left to definitively
avert that fate. It is up to us to help rebuild a left-wing alternative that will win tomorrow
without betraying the day after. If this trend continues to electrify as a
chance of friends, I don't, I mean, I don't think this is as positive of an indication
for the true left candidates. If anything, it's a positive indication for social, democratic
it's, um, center left candidates. I don't think you guys understand how firmly committed
like Europeans are to liberalism. Um, it is, uh, it is a totally different demon. I mean,
they have parliamentary systems, obviously, and therefore there is an expression of true
left, but, um, the, the same battles that we are having to deal with here in the
United States of America within the democratic parties coalition. Who do they respond
to how much they lean into like true leftist economic populism, that the only country that
has been able to fight that battle and win has been the rise of the Greens in the UK.
Okay?
That's it.
In most other European countries, they are actively trying to design a center-left movement
that will be robust, and Pedro Sanchez is absolutely an example of this.
See?
Many of you don't see it.
See?
A lot of you don't see it.
You literally immediately say, well, what about Spain?
No, Spain is exactly what I'm talking about.
Spain is not aligned with LFI.
LFI is the true left party in France. Spain is aligned with the Socialist Party in France,
which is the Center Left Party, okay? A Center Left Party that calls itself Socialist but
is like maybe at best like modest, socially democratic, okay? That is the reality. There
There are a lot more resilient social democratic forces that are center left, if you wanna call
it that, are liberal parties that are doing everything they can to align with one another
all across the European Union and to create a resilient base of support to channel all
all of the potential leftist momentum into their parties as the only viable opposition
to the center right forces and far right forces that have dominated Europe for the past decade.
The Greens are a joke-a-san in the UK, the modern Greens, they're not a joke. They're
a force to be reckoned with. What are you talking about? They're currently destroying
the neoliberal right-wing labor party in the UK.
You never covered the Green Victory in Kent? Yes, I did.
So, Spain's LFI equivalent is Podemos, the founder of that party was on your Cuba flotilla
Pablo Iglesias.
Yes, I'm familiar.
You are so slow, but what, why?
The other party stepped down from the election to let Tisa do the system change.
I really hope the next election cycle will leave us better with better options
the left side voted for Tisha
just so we can say goodbye to Fidesz and Orban and welcome democracy back into our country.
It's good though. It's good to see Orban suffer. This is absolutely
a major blow
to European fascism straight up.
it's true
i mean it's it's a it's a devastating blow for european fascism
uh... even if it's uh... you know that the
more moderate version of that that is not going to be in charge
given uh... there their pro-eustinian still they will liberalize uh...
they will absolutely liberalize hungry once again
does create an opportunity for uh... a true left
to take advantage of the momentum, especially because the right-wing forces, if Peter Majar
is just like a more moderate, more temperate approach to Viktor Orban, then the anxieties
the resentment will remain. This presents an opportunity for the Hungarian left to show a
true alternative because it was just not happening under Viktor Obon et al. Right? Very illiberal
rulership. What is this? I'm a member of a literal socialist party, but okay,
Okay, brother, keep what?
What is this?
What did you say that this person said
there's a crazy thing to say?
You didn't even say anything.
Is this true?
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know how much.
I don't know how much change will happen.
I don't know how little change will happen.
Podemos is almost disappeared in Spain. There's a movement called SUMAR that was a coalition
of left parties. Right now there's another movement to create another coalition for the
next year election.
Bidej, with multiple pedophilic scandals, tried to expose Majar for having consensual
sex with his adult girlfriend. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. That was a very
funny thing. So, from what I understand, Peter Majar, and like the reason why he's seen is like an
anti-corruption force, was because his wife, literally his former wife, his ex-wife, was a part
of the administration that actually when they came into power, there was a pedophilia scandal,
And they, his ex-wife was a part of the forces in the administration that actually pardoned a notorious pedophile as the justice minister.
Okay. And Majar broke up with her and was like, this is fucking bullshit.
Okay. And that was, yeah, that was a major, that was a major reason why he's seen as like an honest guy.
guy. To my understanding, Major has seen it as an honest because of how he did not defend
his ex-wife during that scandal and came out strongly against it. Yeah. So that was a big
deal. This also, this also showed that he was like, you know, not willing to cut, you
know, secret side deals, right? Which was a huge, you know, which was of huge interest
to the Hungarian population, the Hungarian voters, and then there was a FSB operation where they
literally filmed him having consensual sex with his adult girlfriend.
And they were threatening to leak it, right?
I might be mixing up exactly what took place here, but I'm pretty sure there was like
Like, because Viktor Obon is like Putin's guy, there was a, there was an operation to
like, he could leak his sex tape.
Okay?
But two things are really funny about this.
One, it was adult consensual sex as number one.
And two, two, the dude is kind of hot.
it didn't really work. Like he's, like Victor Orbot is a disgusting creature, both with, with
what he believes and the way he looks. Whereas Peter Majar is like kind of a good looking
dude in comparison, especially in comparison to Victor Orbot. So like it backfired a little
bit. Yeah, probably kind of hot video to just the forces. Why if you know, he's
bringing his A game if he can. Yeah, so it just didn't fucking work. It didn't work at
all. Yeah, conservatives were mad that he was having consensual sex as opposed to what they're
used to, which is a consensual sex or sex with, you know, minors who can't consent, right?
So that's why they were like, oh, this will get them. How dare he? How dare he have non-predatory
adult consensual sex that's unheard of? And yes, he is officially a super majority with
over 84% of the votes counted. Peter Major and his Senate right conservative Tisha party
I've already far exceeded expectations, securing 138 of 199 total seats in the Hungarian parliament,
providing them a super majority over Prime Minister Viktor Orban and his Christian nationalist far-right Fidege KDMP party alliance.
Okay.
So it's a good thing.
It's a good shift.
It's a shift in the positive direction.
Right and
It's not necessarily bad
Here are some right-wingers in America coping with that decision
One of Majar's main criticism to Orban is that he left in he led in too many migrants that will slash legal immigration
Especially foreign work visas Majar is not the liberal that some Americans are fantasizing
Yeah, he also handled it by pretty much saying yeah, I fuck Lamal
now. So, there's that too. Yeah, I saw this. This is awesome. The bars. Ah, here is, here
is the monstrous creature, Victor Orban, who weirdly looks and sounds like grew conceding
I am not yet complete but understanding and bright.
The election campaign is very dangerous to our people, but it is worth it.
The government's responsibility and the possibility have not given us.
Congratulations to the President.
I thank you for your hard work.
We have never worked so hard in a single election campaign.
We have achieved 2.5 million votes.
trying to offer support to the international far-right fascist coalition, please, we want more of this, I welcome it, I love it personally, I hope we get more of that.
JD Vance, are you free in October?
2026 is really legislative election.
The fucking kiss of death, the touch of death.
death. Now, this is what Donald Trump did, by the way, not only that President Trump repeatedly
touted his endorsement of Viktor Obar's reelection bid and post a message below, Vice President
JD Vance went to Hungary this past week to campaign for him.
And it fucking failed because America's approvals around the globe, even in previous allied and
previously aligned fascist countries has cratered. Okay? Apps of fucking Lutely cratered.
This is literally what happened in Canada.
This is certainly going to play a role in upcoming elections in Europe as well.
Americans trying to intervene in the elections of foreign countries, with the exception
of Israel, is always going to be a burden.
It will always backfire.
I hope they keep that shit up.
I say, JD Vance, please keep that shit up.
My administration stands ready to use the full economic mind of the United States to
strengthen Hungary's economy as we have done for our great allies in the past.
If Prime Minister Viktor Orban, like he was just trying to bribe, he was trying to fucking
meddle in the elections openly and like bribe Hungary and Hungarians if they vote
for Viktor Orban again.
Would Trump endorsement work in Turkey?
No.
I don't.
I don't think so.
I don't think Trump and JD Vance and Dorsen work, Turks hate Americans and America.
This is an example of ideology, Trump being no pun intended, national interest, or bonds
hungries more allied with Russia and China than it is with US Atlantis' interest.
And the Trump admin still went fully behind him, just slot for the fascism, uh, troll.
Yeah, that's true.
The other side of the story is that what a lot of people don't realize is like,
Um, Bukele in El Salvador and also Victor or boss hungry were very aligned with China as
well. They got tremendous Chinese investment. A lot of people talk about like what, how El
Salvador has developed. Um, and, and they're, you know, oftentimes far right figures. They're
like, Oh, Bukele is like, you know, behaving in the way that we want them to. He's a
fascist. He's a fascist. And it is true except all of the fucking all of the development
in El Salvador is, is a Chinese back.
And something similar was happening with Victor or Bon in, in Hungary as well.
It's this very weird, like China doesn't give a shit, right?
China does not care. If given the opportunity, uh, Peter Majar is like,
we should continue these investments in the country. I know for a fact that China would be
perfectly fine with that, right? We know now what we need to be Trump, an attractive young
dude whose name is America, maybe also a cheese name or something.
This was the day of the Canadian election. By the way, Pierre had to tell Trump to stop
President Trump, stay out of our election. The only people who will decide the future of Canada are Canadians at the ballot box.
Canada will always be proud, sovereign and independent, and we will never be the 51st day. Today Canadians can vote to change.
Vote for change so we can strengthen our country. Yeah, that was really funny.
It was too late though. Too little too late.
Oh, this was such a sad, but such a funny little moment, JD Vanstries the call trumpet
of Victor Orban Rally and gets sent the voicemail.
Add a special guest that asks that I give him a phone call and we'll see Sunni Newfie.
Thank you for the 20 community gift to subs.
Let's hope he actually answers.
But this is going to be very interesting.
Oh God, I hope he picks up.
All right.
I'm sorry, the person you were trying to reach has a voicemail botch that has not been set up yet.
Okay, try it one more time.
Bro, Bro's on DND! Bro's on DND! He got no contact!
I got a good signal here.
It's ringing. It's progress.
I actually had a special guest that asks that I give him a
fucking god he's such a fucking charisma suck dude god he's so bad he's so fucking
bad the Hungarian TV media is very state-controlled the elections are
extremely gerrymandered for the rules, and Orban's used corruption to control state institutions,
but it's an electoral authoritarian regime. The opposition can win is just unduly very
hard, similar to Turkey for the record.
side on Orban's loss. Victor Orban, Hungary's authoritarian prime minister and one of Donaldson's
most loyal global allies conceded defeat Sunday after 16 years in power. As opposition leader,
Peter Majar center, right? Tisha party took a commanding lead with over half a precincts counted.
Tisha stood at 52% to Orban's Fidege at 38%. Orban called the result painful, but clear.
Turn out was the highest in Hungary's post-communist history with nearly 78% of eligible voters
casting ballots. Majar is a former Fidesz insider who broke with Orban 2024 over a government
corruption scandal. He ran on a platform of Christian conservative politics, but without
what he calls Fidesz's corruption, promising to restore EU ties, unfreeze billions of European
Union funds, and bring Hungary back to Western institutional norms. On Israel, Majar government
would likely mark a shift from Orban, who Netanyahu is called a rock.
Majar is expected to reverse Hungary's withdrawal from the ICC, which issued an arrest warrant
for Netanyahu before it becomes permanent on June 2. Hungary has been the sole EU member blocking
sanctions on violent West Bank settlers. Majar may lift that veto. Orban repeatedly
blocked EU joint statements condemning Israeli strikes, forcing the blocks for
impulsive chief to issue them in her name alone, that far wall would likely end.
Majar is expected to distance himself from Netanyahu personally while maintaining ties
with Israel more broadly. So there's that element too.
The worst people you know are crying today. Oh, hell yeah. RIP Hungary, you're about to be
conquered by Muslims. Oh, hell yeah.
I already covered the EU member from the left who released her statements on this victory
and what it means for the broad left coalition in the European Union.
She was very sober about her assessment of the situation.
said it's not, you know, it's not, this is not the major W that you think it is. And she's right.
Anyway, now on that note, we have a lot to talk about. I obviously also have
the, the, uh, Podjohns combo that I had where I basically, for like, I would say the bulk
of our conversation, uh, explain my position on Israel versus Hamas. Um, I think it's a,
it's a very good conversation that took place, uh, with the Podjohns as well. I think
you guys will appreciate it, especially considering that a lot of the liberals that watch Pod Save
America, once again, have reacted in the exact same way that they reacted every single time
I've been on the pod, Johns, which is excitement. They reacted with excitement, frustration
for the way that Democrats speak right now on issues, right? I don't know what CNN
talking about this guy seems pretty all right. We do need people to be more aware of who he
actually is trying to take what little we actually have away. It's not the LGBT or Latinos
or black people or Muslims is the rich significant improvement over Cory Booker. Exactly the
kind of conversation we need. Honestly, this is a very good interview, much better, much
more coherent than I expected. Given the way some media is talking about us on, appreciate
the substance of folks on the issues instead, just a controversy. After listening to
Hassan for an hour, speak clear and concise reasoning. Now I understand why the APAC
wing of the Democratic party, which is say 99% of the party fear and attack him.
logic and reason are not on the side of the Zionist. I've been casually aware of a Samp
Piker and heard about some of his controversial comments. This is the first time I've listened
to a more in-depth interview with him and entered it with an open mind. The perspectives
of Samp offered helped me to expand my understanding of the issues between Israel and Palestine.
It's true, people are finally doing their homework. I learned about Samp from Sarah
Longwell at the Bulwark and within one hour after listening to her rant about him,
I became a piker enthusiast. Thanks Sarah. A Samp spot on regarding corporate greed.
I wasn't sure who a Samp Piker was until Dem started attacking him after I listened
Nikol Kuchinsky. Talk about him, I checked him out and I found that I agree with almost
everything he says. Thanks Dems for putting him on my radar. John was exactly the right
person for this interview with Hassan. Good push, but also civil conversation and letting
him explain what's still calling on dumb things. This is what democratic politics should
look like. Hassan's conviction is so compelling. He's so good whenever he's allowed to
expand on his opinions. I love how he stands by his words and does them back down.
I'm 64 year old democratic woman. I listen to Hassan. I'm so fed up with my own
party if they want to get rid of him they want to get rid of more of us than
they can imagine i'm seventy-year-old moderate democrat i found us on about a
year ago do i agree with everything he says or the way he says it no i don't he
said things that make me angry so has every dem commentator or left-leaning
politician i've ever supported all of them but the man is out there fighting
for what he thinks is right he's honest about what he feels and experiences
he puts himself out there he goes and talks to everyone he's not our
enemy. He is our ally. This is, as Hassanar production says, is why they're desperate to
try and cancel me. When regular people watch him outside of 22nd Clips, this is what happens.
Always. Okay. Always. And of course, on the orbit, on the orbit, people who actually
watched the interview go, wow, this is fucking awesome. I had no idea what this guy was about.
And now that I've actually listened to him without this ridiculous filter
Even in a somewhat contentious environment where you know, my my statements are being called in to account
Right. There is a little bit of accountability. There is not like uh, job favors just like letting me uh, run away with whatever
I'm saying and doing
All of a sudden it's a lot more fucking reasonable
Okay, these guys are not equipped to deal with subversive mask on radicals and have done more to
same-wash this lunatic views than probably any other alternative media platform as a client argues
that we don't have to limit discourse to people we deem acceptable than does somersaults trying
to make a sump tiger seem more acceptable as much as he's a never trump or he's also a never
democrat too park as a loser his ideas are losers soldiers politics notice how the people
that refuse to engage me uh and and the ideals that i represent and fight for are the ones who
who are the most active in disparaging what this movement is, what this movement represents,
many of them can also be identified with Israel First politics as well. Interesting.
Or in this sex pest case, obviously a personal vendetta that he's carried for almost a
fucking decade, right? I promise you, Potsdamerger, we do not need to hear from this R word. When
will you have Kyle on the show? Media is not by your brand's Republican Party biggest
terrorist group on earth all this is this is awesome
this post was fact checked by real american patriots true
it's true
it's objectively true
once again i've been saying that for fucking years
good luck
good luck
trying to deal with that
i stand on that in a similar way in a matter of not dissimilar to
uh... though the way i feel
i think we should all just pay less attention to him
not the president the other one
maybe we lived out a little too hard let's go back to our my game this
change around to on the campaign trail
What is this your wiki is currently currently getting more views than Rogan's since March 24th
Asama hun as wik the page see more daily traffic than Joe Rogan's every single day. Oh nice. Oh hell yeah
Let's go
Zionist acting like is not about Israel shana was the same thing to to pretend the debate to push piger to the fringes
Over Israel is not only wrong
it's irresponsible anti-Semitism side, Pyger's a long list of indefensible anti-American
racist, misogynistic offenses, I'm sure why so many Dems are in here to defend such a bad guy.
We all know what the real reason is and we all know the real reason is Israel because you have
openly as a part of third way pushed Democrats to literally align with
right wing forces who actually do demonstrate maybe not anti-American but racist and misogynistic
offenses. The problem is, once again, in the old era, in the old age of the media, if I
was some college activist, or if I was just like some guy with no platform whatsoever,
then yes, most things that you heard about me would be from the gatekeepers, right?
You would just hear what Dana Bash had to say about me. You'd just hear about Jake
tapper, you would just hear what Mark Levin had to say about me, and I, and, and that's
the only information that you would be able to make up your mind on, right? Like you would
be like, this is the only thing I know about this guy. He seems terrible. In the new media
environment, in the new media environment, it doesn't work that way. I sometimes have
either a competitive or sometimes a larger audience than these guys do, right?
So people can hear from me directly, so it doesn't fucking work that way.
That's kind of what Ezra Klein was talking about.
The through line in the freakouts over Rogan and Piker is snobbery and nostalgia.
The GOP has already embraced new media, but many liberals still want manor mavens, legacy
media gatekeepers who went to Yale and tell them what is acceptable to discuss.
Yeah.
That's it.
Why does ContraPoints hate you so much?
Is it just because you called out her bad Israel take?
had. I'm not a fan of her, but she hates you for real. Yeah, she's just leaned into being a total
defender of the Democratic Party, has like some right-wing points on that as well.
And is, I don't know why she just has like such a strong affinity towards the nation state of Israel.
Could be, you know, some unchecked Islamophobia potentially.
But, yeah, she became Hosbara points.
She was quiet for the longest time on the issue of Israel and then chose to speak out
somewhat in favor of Israel and very critical of the pro-Palestinian wing of the party.
Literally, I think it was two days before there was this massive sea change because
because there was tremendous amount of coverage about Israel doing a famine in Gaza.
But it was unbelievable.
Two years in, she didn't speak about Israel at all. No peep.
Her fans were constantly demanding she say something.
Then she went out to Reddit, which is the most, you know,
at the time, the most pro-Israel platform that she could find and released this
massive statement. The statement itself was flawed.
I guess that's the, you know, best, this is the nicest thing I can say about it, right?
The statement itself was flawed.
And it basically put the blame on the pro-Palestinian activists and advocates and the people that
were dominated. People who were arrested for advancing this cause, for speaking
truth to power, punished relentlessly for it, right? Basically said, oh, you're
showing these atrocities. It's like, and it's, you know, making people feel bad,
and it also hurt the Democratic Party's chances of winning. It was this
ridiculous statement, and the timing of it was so fucking bad. The timing of
it was so bad like if she had just kept quiet she probably would not have received so much backlash
but not only not only did she uh you know come out with this ridiculous statement she did it right
before there was like unlimited coverage on israel doing a famine and and uh you know murdering
Palestinian children in a way that was impossible to ignore. So, I think, you know, content creators
like this, I mean, and I myself, I'm not, you know, outside of this group either. Nobody likes to
be yelled at. Nobody likes to be told that they're fucking wrong, right? And she was inundated
with unlimited statements about how fucking wrong she was and how much of a genocide there she was
and that probably hardened her position and she for some weird reason decided that I was like the
primary critic of her statement I think. Yeah I mean it's it is also because like
Like, it is also because of this as well, I think maybe, I don't know, like her doing
something with Hillary Rodham Clinton.
She thinks your community harasser, not understanding that you share similar audiences, yeah, it's
almost like an Ethan Klein moment, right?
the Ethan Klein thing, where it's like, oh, it can't be my own statements being reflected
on by my own community that I've cultivated, many of which are anti-Zionist, and on the
side of truth and justice here, on the side of the Palestinians, getting mad at me, it
must be some outsider that's pushing them to criticize me.
comparing Natalie to Ethan, please. I mean, it's true, though. They're aligned on this.
They're aligned on this fucking issue. I say this as someone who was collaborated with her,
who was hung out with her, who was shocked by her position on the issue of Israel to
begin with. Like, I was pretty open about it. And I was, my commentary on her statement
was much nicer than many others.
My expectation was that she would be the last person to do this because she's actually
smart.
it was genuinely a surprise.
Because Ethan Klein is a fucking idiot, you know?
Like, he doesn't know shit about politics.
He's just responding to whatever he sees on his timeline,
whatever is presented to him in his subreddit,
oftentimes by sexpestiny,
sexpestiny redditors that LARP
as though they are H3H3 fans, right?
I don't think she knows that much wait, what you just gave him material for his next six and three six hour podcast, buddy. Okay, whatever. I don't give a shit what's he going to do fucking complain about easy easy going to cancel as we're client now, you know, cancel
You just gave him material for his next six and three six-hour podcast buddy. Okay, whatever. I don't give a shit
What's he gonna do fucking complain about is he is he gonna cancel as we're Klein now, you know King lib
He's gonna
He's gonna be like as we're Klein you're canceled you're the king of anti-Semite you got
you got sucked into
Hassan's dangerous web of lies like he like he did with fucking Sam Cedar
As we're as recline another Jew hater we must cancel our New York Times subscriptions guys like is that what he's gonna do, okay?
Good luck
What is this, Hen Mazik? He is actually, here's his talking points.
It's a comforting notion that if we just allow people to spread lies and hate about our brothers and sisters in Israel, they'll hate Jews in the diaspora a little less.
But in reality, but the reality is hate, yes, including that hate that calls for the dissolution of the world's one Jewish state,
and the home of half a Jew's living, has little to do with our actions. Read my take on Ezra Klein's latest op-ed on Hassan Piker on my sub-stat.
It's so funny to read this article or to read this sentiment as anything, but if you if you
give equality to all that live in the land that Israel currently occupies and dominates,
you want another holocaust to happen. Okay, it's an unbelievably racist thing to say.
And most people don't even comprehend how unbelievably racist it is.
We just take it for fucking granted.
This is the same exact principle that whites in South Africa presented where they were
like, what?
We can't have a fucking white ethno-state.
What are you talking about?
Are there white dominated ethno-state?
You just want us to die, huh?
Like little old Rhodesia standing alone in the entire continent of Africa can't even
have it. You know, so fucking stupid. So many black countries. Why can't there be a white
one in the continent of Africa? You know, the photo he's using, yeah, he's trying to
say that like Ezra Klein wants to fuck me. It's insane.
Libs are going crazy. We need to register every IDF soldier in the United States.
We cannot allow people who put sniper bullets in the heads of children in
Gaza to roam freely. God damn. Ben Dixon. Let's go. Hell yeah.
They are sleeper cells or are swords of terrorism my goat
The vice president landed at DC at 431 p.m. After a 56 hour Pakistan journey vans made phone calls from Air Force 2 on the trip
Including to Israel's ambassador United States a US official told me. Yeah
Yeah
Um, let's get to it. Okay. We'll talk about the final offer America presented. We'll talk
about the failures. Um, last night, right around the time when I, uh, I, I went offline,
vice president JD Vance, after a 21 hour back and forth negotiation process in Islamabad
Pakistan came out on a podium and delivered his remarks stating that the ceasefire negotiations
or at least the first attempt of ceasefire negotiations had failed.
Behind them were Steve Wittkopf and Jared Kushner.
Both of them were smiling.
Do with that information what you will, 21 hours.
And they were fucking smiling.
Well, good morning, everyone.
Cheezing.
And let me say a couple of notes of appreciation, first of all, to the Prime Minister of
Pakistan and to Field Marshal Muneer who were both incredible hosts and whatever
shortcomings of the negotiation it wasn't because of the Pakistanis who did an
amazing job and yeah except let's be real Pakistan you tried to be Turkey you
tried to be the table and you fail Turkey would have been the table and
And Turkey would have brought diplomacy to the table.
Pakistan is not the table. Turkey is. One table.
We've really tried to help us and the Iranians bridge the gap and get to a deal.
We've been at it now for 21 hours and we've had a number of substantive discussions with
the Iranians.
That's the good news.
The bad news is that we have not reached an agreement and I think that's bad news
for Iran much more than it's bad news for the United States of America. So we go back to
the United States having not come to an agreement. We've made very clear what our red lines are,
what things we're willing to accommodate them on, and what things we're not willing to accommodate
them on.
These motherfuckers are cheesing in the back, bro. They're like, yeah, we fucked it. Why?
Why oh why could they feel so confident, feel so elated? After 21 hours of high
high stakes negotiations. Why were they so stoked? I wonder. I wonder why. By the way,
my assessment on the situation is Donald Trump knowing full well that the negotiations were
going to fail, sent JD Vance because he wants to fuck JD Vance. Marco Rubio on the other
hand is straight up a demon. What was Marco Rubio doing knowing full well that these
fucking negotiations were gonna fail, hanging that shit around JD Vance's neck. He was hanging
out with Donald Trump at the UFC. That's right, because those are the two primary figures,
right? You got the JD Vance and you got the Margot Rule Deal. Those are the 2028 contenders
who will carry the torch of Donald Trump and MAGA, okay? So what they do in this moment matters.
A lot of people have speculated, and I also kind of believe this, I'm leaning into this
as well, that JD Vance was the one who leaked over and over again to the media that JD Vance
was the one who leaked over and over again to the media that he was
uh... very much
opposed
continuing war
with iran
now why would you do that
why would you do that
well you do that because you know this war is unpopular and it will be
reflected on very poorly
especially
uh... depending on which way it goes
so you're positioning yourself as the anti-war candidate for twenty twenty eight
yeah i said what the fuck is this country man here's donald trump talking to the
fighter
right
with them all that you know when it's not
not a little too good
but you are a sub fighter
beautiful guy
Trump flirts with the UFC fighters peace negotiations with Iran fail.
That's what happened last night.
And we made that as clear as we possibly could,
and they have chosen not to accept our terms.
Questions?
Sir, Nick Robinson from CNN.
Precisely what have they rejected here?
Can you help us understand it a little bit?
Well, I won't go into all the details
because I don't want to negotiate it in public
after we negotiated for 21 hours in private,
but the simple fact is that we need to see
an affirmative commitment that they will not
seek a nuclear weapon and they will not seek the tools
that would enable them to quickly achieve
a nuclear weapon.
That is the core goal of the President of the United States
and that's what we've tried to achieve
through these negotiations.
Again, their nuclear program, such as it is,
the enrichment facilities that they've had before,
they've been destroyed.
But the simple question is, do we see a fundamental commitment
of will for the Iranians not to develop a nuclear weapon,
not just now, not just two years from now,
but for the long term?
We haven't seen that yet.
We hope that we will.
Jen.
Is there a framework on anything
and also to the Iranian person to come up
and reach any conclusions on those questions?
We talked about all those issues, Jen.
And we talked about a number of issues beyond that.
And so certainly those things came up.
But again, we just could not get to a situation where the Iranians were willing to accept
our terms.
I think that we were quite flexible, we were quite accommodating.
The President told us you need to come here in good faith and make your best effort to
get a deal.
We did that.
And unfortunately, we were able to make any headway.
Preston.
Mr. Vice President, how often did you communicate with President Trump throughout the negotiations?
there are reports that there were multiple rounds,
where there were breaks in between negotiations.
How often did you communicate with the President
throughout those rounds, and what was he saying
as you were going through these negotiations
that he said felt short?
Yeah, obviously we were talking
to the President consistently.
I don't know how many times we talked to him,
a half dozen times, a dozen times over the past 21 hours.
We obviously also talked to Admiral Cooper, to Pete,
to Marko, to the entire national security team.
We talked to Scott for a number of times.
So look, we were constantly in communication
with the team because we were negotiating in good faith.
And we leave here, and we leave here
with a very simple proposal, a method of understanding
that is our final and best offer.
We'll see if the Iranians accept it.
Thank you.
What is the trade of hormones?
Did you go and have to inform Mr. Netanyahu at all today?
What about the trade of hormones?
Did they give you any indication of this?
Yeah, we know what about the trade of hormones.
blockade, the ship, US to blockade ships entering or exiting Iranian ports. Okay. America has
decided they're going to add a secondary blockade to the Iranian one, which is fucking nutty.
Yeah. There it is from Chinese social media, Iran toll, US toll. Okay. Yeah, break an enemy
blockade by blockading their blockade. Don Zoo, you can't get outsmarted if you don't
think. Never let him know your next move. And the best possible way to never let your enemy
know your next move is if you personally don't know your own next move. Okay? That's
the Don Zoo method. That's JD Pondam, baby.
All right, we'll get into the to the long
What is that a QR code on the door? What the fuck is this?
Anyway
Here America's vice president left here with no breakthrough to show for his efforts after marathon talks like in loser
But but this is God. He's such a fucking loser. It's awesome. I think almost 24 hours
He appeared early morning looking deflated and calling it a day
The bad news is that we have not reached the agreement and I think that's bad news
for Iran much more than it's bad news for the United States of America.
It was he said the nuclear issue where things came unstuck.
We need to see an affirmative commitment that they will not seek a nuclear weapon and they
will not seek the tools that would enable them to quickly achieve a nuclear weapon.
That is the core goal of the present United States and that's what we've tried to
achieve through these negotiations.
News from Islamabad prompted a furious reaction back in Washington and a threat from President
Trump to escalate this war yet further, with the US naval blockade of the Strait of Hormuz,
which is already shut by Iran.
It raises the specter of markets plunging with the open tomorrow and clashes at sea.
Sports here were historic and serious, the highest level face-to-face US negotiations
with Iran since its revolution in the 70s.
The Iranians were sounding more conciliatory than the Americans, saying some progress have
been made.
On some issues, we actually reached mutual understanding, but there was a gap over two
or three important issues, and ultimately the talks didn't result in an agreement.
Pakistan immediately said the diplomacy is not over yet.
We hope that the two sides continue with the positive spirit to achieve durable peace
and prosperity for the entire region and beyond.
It is imperative that the parties continue to uphold their commitment to cease fire.
There's now a frantic effort by many other nations to help put the diplomacy back on
track.
There is so much at stake.
A resumption in hostilities is now more than possible, but for the Americans the
challenge is that the use of force has failed to solve the Iran problem, its nuclear
issue and its control now, the strata of formers, in six weeks of war.
So why should it now?
Torts here may have founded, but clearly made some progress.
There was a chance of building on that, but not if the US is embarking on yet more escalation,
this time at sea.
Dominic Waghorn Sky News, Islamabad.
I love this shit.
Good to have you.
Oh, it's so loud.
Okay.
I love this shit.
Okay. Why do I love this shit? Because what's the main reason why, uh, Iran's whole system
is a major burden from an American perspective. Obviously, number one, it shows that Iran actually
has a full military dominance over this choke point. The strategic choke point is very
important for 20% of all the world's, uh, energy supply to flow through, right? Impeding
on that in any way, shape or form, or exercise the control over that directly contradicts
why America is supposed to be the hegemon, right? That's one. But the other reason is
because that strategic choke point being controlled by Iran and stopping most of the tankers
that would normally transit through freely is destroying the global energy markets
and is going to lead to unprecedented shortages
and also inflation
as i've said already oil and gas is a is a global commodity that everyone needs
uh... and there is in elastic demand
so therefore
if one place doesn't have oil
then it impacts the global market prices
across the board
so for donald trump to turn around
and decide all you're doing if you're doing a blockade well guess what
we're doing a blockade on top of your blockade
is only going to make the crisis worse
because if iran is saying all will let it all the fucking uh... will allow the
ships go through
as long as they pay us a toll
and then america turns around as this now we're fucking blocking them
it's incredible
it is on the believe of the stupid
It's an unbelievably stupid thing for him to do.
It's hilarious as well.
It's a very funny, it's a very funny move, a very dumb move, but also very funny move
respect to Donald Trump.
Really.
Um, indeed Trump's Hormuz play is a classic jujitsu move.
If the straight gets blocked, America will be the one doing the blocking.
not the RGC. Oh God, these guys are so fucking stupid. They're so stupid. Look at the conservatives.
The blockade always made more sense than season car garland is stops Iran's exports. Its revenues
is a counterpoint to their closing of the straights. They may attack Gulf oil facilities,
but it puts greater pressure on Iran also puts great pressure on China to pressure Iran.
Conservatives last week, Trump is doing an amazing job opening the Shred of Hormuz
conservative this week. Trump is doing an amazing job blockading the Shred of Hormuz.
amazing. Okay, fucking amazing. Trump announcing that he's doing, he's going to beat Iran at
his own game by blocking the hormones even harder.
May Allah awaken the people and help them to see the evil doings of Israel and the United
States. Who could forget the classic jujitsu move when your opponent is beating your
ass, you start punching yourself in the face instead and you go, haha, I wanted my ass beat
to begin with, sir.
That's what this is.
Classic Jiu Jitsu move, okay?
That's what happens when you're in, when you're, when you're engaging in, in hand
to hand combat and you're doing Jiu Jitsu, okay, and your opponent is choking you.
So you go, well, I'm holding my breath.
I'm holding my breath myself.
Ha ha.
12D chess.
Never let him know your next move, baby.
Ah, you didn't choke me.
I choked myself.
Joke's on you.
I think he's joining the other team.
That's JD Pondam, baby.
Put some respect on his name.
Put some respect on it.
Okay.
You can't fire me. I quit. That's always the last, the last desperate attempt by Donald
Trump. Whenever things are going south, he goes, huh, I fucked it myself. Okay. Joke's
on you. I wanted the situation to be worse. Now, obviously there are some negative consequences
here, right? And there will be some limitations to what Trump can and can't do. We shall
see if he actually follows through on this, because almost the entirety of Iranian tankers
are being shipped to China.
So will Donald Trump take a stance against Chinese flag tankers that are delivering oil
and gas to China?
Remember, even before the last 42 days, I believe it was 80% of all Iranian oil
gas that was directly going to China, right? Iranian oil is not a major part of Chinese oil.
Now that number, that percentage is obviously increased since like no ships are transiting
through the straight as it stands currently. But most of Iranian oil was going to China anyway.
So is he going to start duking it out with China? Because that feels kind of dumb,
especially right now when America is at its weakest point globally, both with its soft power
utterly destroyed by Donald Trump, weirdly enough. But also, its hard power capabilities have taken
a significant hit by a country that is much smaller than China by a country that is much less
powerful than China. Okay? China is a nuclear country, a country with nuclear arms. China is
the manufacturing engine of the entire planet. You can't really do what you failed to do to Iran
to a country like China. You can't do it. China can much easily, with much ease, punish America
and maybe even punish the rest of the fucking globe if they wanted to, right? Without even the
threat of nukes, obviously. So, regarding Trump's threat to the threat slash decision, Trudeparcy
says, why doesn't he say Trudeparcy search? Anyway, to impose a naval blockade on Iran,
color me a skeptic, taking more oil off the market, particularly the only oil that is now
Getting out of the Persian Gulf will drive oil prices further up and the paper price oil will get closer to the actual price
We should be around 150 dollars per barrel. So that literally
again
That's
You can't do that the whole reason why you wanted to open the shirt of hormones
Was because of what's going on in the oil markets. Okay, so that's
Incredible incredible move by JD Pondon brilliant, sir. He is truly the real
revolutionary, the real green energy champion that this world needed, okay?
Many of you don't understand.
He doesn't think in decades, he thinks in generations, he thinks in centuries, the Trumpian mind
cannot be comprehended, okay?
He is Mr. Ecoterrorism, it turns out some of y'all have only watched movies about how
to blow up a pipeline.
Trump is quite literally doing that. Okay? So who's the real woker now, bitch? Donald
Trump is forcibly creating an environment for that renewable energy transition for every
country. Respect. Put some fucking respect on his name. He is the goat. Okay? Don Zoo.
So a dramatic increase in inflation in the U.S. will ensue avoiding this is precisely
where Trump was stuck in a position where he had no escalatory options out of this conflict
before the ceasefire, he still doesn't.
Stopping tankers carrying Iranian oil wouldn't just be an escalation vis-Ć -vis Iran, but
also against the countries that are buying Iranian oil, which includes China, India,
and other Asian countries.
I doubt Trump is ready for that escalation, particularly given the upcoming summit in
Beijing.
This is true.
This is also true for punished countries that have negotiated a toll with Iran
for the straights.
includes Pakistan, which hosts the negotiations. That's probably secondary.
I don't think America gives a fuck about like, you know,
Pakistanis being mad at them. Sorry. No disrespect. I know I'm a little,
I know I come across a little jealous because Pakistan was the table.
Okay. As opposed to Turkey, which is the normal position, right?
But that's not, I'm just being serious about it.
I think America is very selfish and also doesn't care about,
you know, Pakistan's interests at all.
Number four, the naval blockade escalation will make the closing of the Red Sea more likely by the Houthis.
That would take another 12% of global oil flow off the market. We would now be looking at oil at around $200 per barrel.
There are nine or so days left of the ceasefire since neither side has explicitly stated talks won't resume
or that the ceasefire is dead and over with. All these moves should be treated as tactics and threats within negotiations.
It wouldn't be surprising if these threats are walked back soon, perhaps before markets
open on Monday and a new round is announced, however, there is time for brinksmanship and
there is time for serious negotiations.
Galaboff also had a fucking line on this too, but we'll get to that in a second.
If the US truly was insisting on zero enrichment in Islamabad, which was not Trump's red
line at first, but rather Israel's, then the next talks will be rendered a failure,
talks in May 2025 were killed by Trump shifting to the Israeli red line. Still, I don't think
that necessarily will lead to a return to war. A more likely scenario is now, is a new non-negotiated
status quo in which Tehran retains control over the streets, but doesn't get any sanctions relief
while the US pulls out of the war. And the question becomes whether Israel will continue
the war on its own. This is a likely scenario, okay? Which of course in the interim will
allow Iran to gear up with the latest and greatest Chinese technology as well, from
man pads to, you know, anti-air defense systems and the like, and therefore will present
a much more competent force that is capable of defending its own territory from aerial
bombardment campaigns that Israel could conduct without American help. Not really sure how much
Israel will be able to defend itself. Don't really see that happening, even though Israel is crazy
like that, okay? China is not sending any air defense to Iran? Well, we'll see. We'll see.
I know that the Bloomberg report is questionable, but we'll see about that.
You never know. You never know. As fondy are this guy's really good. The only explanation
I can come up with for Trump's blockade of the Shredda Hormuz is that he desperately
wants the U.S. to be cut in on the future toll revenue. A few things to consider by definition
of blockade does not reopen the straight Iran had already play already blockaded itself
by closing the straight to most vessels in the first place. The oil exports Iran
was sustaining do not create significant revenues because of U.S. sanctions. If
revenues were the issue, Trump would have canceled general license to you ahead of
April 16 deadline and issued new sanctions targeting Iran's Chinese customers. Arguably,
the blockade announcement puts more pressure on the Gulf States than it does on Iran. No
Gulf country had called for a blockade, and I suspect the announcement came as a complete
surprise. The terms that Trump will insist upon to end his blockade and the terms that
Iran will insist upon to reopen the trade may be similar. Now two countries are trying
to demonstrate their control over the trade, leaving the GCC and Iraq in a compromised
position. Here is, yeah, the chairman of the Israeli Parliament National Security
Committee and a member of Netanyahu's coalition, well, I guess he deleted his
statement so we don't know, but I think his, the attitude from the Israeli side
is dude, enough yapping, come on, ceasefire over, let's go fucking bomb Iran,
right? That's what the statement was, that he deleted hastily, but I can
totally see that being the overarching sentiment in the Israeli Knesset, right? Because they
did not want the ceasefire to take place. They tried to spoil it by doing a heinous act of
terror against Lebanon, killing 300 Lebanese civilians in a matter of 10 minutes. And then
they never really stopped, right? They never really stopped with their ambition. America
was like, yo, keep it cool, keep it chill. Yeah, this guy, chairman of the Knesset
National Security Committee, uh, Zvika, uh, Fohel, Mox, Trump, Donald, if you have to
shoot, shoot, don't quack, and then post a duck.
Trump called into Barter O'Mall and Fox. Oh hell yeah. Oh, also, uh, the speaker of
of the Islamic Republic of Iran's parliament, Galabaf, who's at the meetings said,
enjoy the current pump figures with the so-called blockade.
Soon you will be nostalgic for four to $5 gas,
gas station near the White House.
God damn, dude. Again, they're farting on us. Okay.
Straight up, straight up. They're farting on us.
100% they are we're going meat for meat ban for ban on the meme side and they are they got a whole lot more meat than we do okay their meat goes a long way in comparison to our meat they got all the kuba day we got none is crazy
They got the Lego music videos, but it's not alone.
It's not enough.
They got the fucking, you know, the Iranian ministries, the Iranian embassies all around
the world farting on us.
And then you got Galabath himself, hiring some fucking zoomers, deciding to go meet
for me.
I think the two biggest issues are the Strait of Hormuz and the nuclear.
The Strait of Hormuz is the more time-urgent issue because every day that goes by is disastrous
for the international economy and for the region.
The nuclear issue can be parked for a while, not because it's not important, but unless
there's evidence that Iran is changing the status of nuclear materials or its program,
then nothing changes.
So I would say Strait of Hormuz is the big issue.
What we cannot allow is for Iran to exercise sole control over the straight charging tolls
where it derives all the revenues, because that would also eliminate any economic pressure
on the Iranian regime.
What I've argued is we ought to adopt the principle that the Strait of Hormuz needs
to be open for all or closed to all, including Iran.
And what I've recommended to two of my colleagues, Neil Ferguson and Phil Zelikow, is that
that we create a new Strait of Hormuz commission or authority that would essentially govern
the operation of the Strait, perhaps you could have a fee charge, but then it would
be distributed, not just to Iran, but to the other half dozen or so local countries.
Might be some degree of enforcement or support from the countries in Europe and Asia that
are most dependent on the passage through the Strait.
I would bring China into the equation because it has influence obviously in Trump,
But we need some type of a governing authority that dilutes Iran's ability to decide who gets
to use the straight.
And if we can't get that, David, I would favor a blockade, again, open for all or close to
all.
This is so unbelievably stupid.
Richard Haas, former head of the council on foreign relations, says, Washington is
not negotiating from strength and that Iran has emerged from the war with a greater
leverage on her.
suggest Washington to tell Iran the Strait of Hormuz can be open to all or closed to all.
Propose the International Governing Commission, including Iran and Gulf States.
This is what Trump tried to do. Remember when Donald Trump was tweeting or truthing?
Maybe we will control the Strait of Hormuz with Iran, right? Which, for the record,
was already a massive L, okay?
Because like the idea that you are going to beg Iran to cut you in on the toll collection
implies that you've already given up that Iran is controlling the Shreddo Haramuz, okay? That
statement was unbelievable from Trump. When he said that, that was an admission of defeat.
and I covered it as such. Then they presented that as the alternative and the Iranians to their credit
recognizing the unbelievable leverage they have currently said fuck off. At least that's what it
seems like, right? They showed up were like, no actually you're not getting a fucking piece
of the toll collection. No, it's we're controlling the straight. We'll open it
all, but we will continue collecting fees. The problem here is, the problem here
is they already do control the Shrita Formos. You either reopen it
militarily, or you reopen it through the process of diplomacy. And if America
is not going to, you know, talk the talk, then they have to walk the fucking walk. This kind of bullshit
about, oh, we're adding a separate blockade on top of the preexisting Iranian toll,
it's not going to work. Not only are you actually positioning your naval assets for the record
closer to Iranian missiles, right? Because there's that element as well. Like now you're
you're what? Moving your your repositioning your naval assets within striking business of Iran?
Okay, good luck. That's number one. And number two, number two, what are you gonna do? Fight against
China
It's it's an unbelievably stupid fucking move and last but not least you don't get to actually enforce any control over the the actual
Iranian choke point
And on top of that oil prices fucking skyrocket, which was the reason why you wanted to reopen the straight of hormones anyway
Yeah, just two days ago, Trump said the Iranis were begging to make a deal and the Iran had
no military capabilities left.
Yeah, Iran is choosing not to make a deal and explicitly choosing to go back to war,
not really the move of someone desperate and without military.
What this shows me is America wants a deal, Iran is fine with continuing the war, and Israel
definitely doesn't want a deal.
So if America wants a deal and Israel doesn't want a deal and you don't get a fucking deal,
what does that tell you?
That Israel is straight up controlling the entire conversation here on the American side.
That's it.
That's it.
that we are placing Israel's idiotic goals ahead of our own ahead of the rest of the world's interest
Do you think the rest of the world gives a fuck if Iran collects a toll probably not
I mean they I'm sure they don't like it two million dollars and additional funds given directly to Iran
But it is the most manageable way out of this
Instead of trying to get America to pay
reparations, you get the entire world to pay reparations to Iran for America's fucking spectacular
quagmire.
Headline of the IRGC-affiliated Fars News Agency, Trump joins Team Iran.
I've legitimately never heard of a more insane, designed to backfire policy under this administration
maybe ever.
Not only attempting to blockade Iranian ships, but any ships that goes to the Shredd
hormones by paying the toll.
There is, I do not foresee this.
He said that it starts, Sancom says tomorrow at 10 a.m. Eastern is when the blockade starts.
I don't, I think Trump goes back on this right before market open.
Maybe like, I just can't see this.
I just do not see how this continues.
I can't, maybe I'm wrong.
Trump is that guy, because he is fucking nutty. But all signs point to him, you know, pulling
out of that. This genuinely feels, you're wrong, think like a stupid. I mean, I am thinking
like a stupid. I'm trying to think like a stupid, but this is just like, there's levels
to this stupid shit. Okay, there's levels to this stupid shit. Him saying he's gonna
to do this blockade is already stupid shit. Him actually enforcing the blockade, well
that, that's stupid beyond comprehension, like that is a new level of stupid that has
been unlocked.
Iran speaker Mohammed Bagar Galiba, responds to Trump, if you fight, we fight. And if
you come with reason, we will deal with reason. We will not succumb to any threat.
Let them test our will once again so we can give them an even greater lesson.
Once again I feel like these guys don't understand that the people that they're talking to there,
Galabath and the legal counsel representative and Arakshi are the ones that want to fucking
negotiate.
Most of the people who actually control the levers of power in Iran currently are
not those people, okay? They want to keep going. They, understandably, don't feel as
though they've dealt a significant enough blow to both Israel and the global markets.
They want to keep blowing shit up, okay? You got the 25-year-old Har Mousers sitting
around in this mosaic system in a fucking bunker for the past 40 days, lobbing shahed
drones non-stop thinking all right give me the fucking go ahead I'ma hit that
button again okay clearly clearly they're like I'm gonna
hormones I'm gonna fucking hormones I will die if I don't hormones right now
okay that's it they are clearly clearly invested in continuing until there is
sufficient military deterrence that has been established.
Iran and Thailand, the Thailand embassy says, the new move from Trump against our country
is so comical that we don't even have a meme for it.
So Trump is helping Iran now?
Yes.
All right, let's get back to, yeah, the U.S. foreign policy after support Trump
collapse of the global economy, strategic defeat has made the US ruling classes insane.
They'll drag us down with them rather than have their beloved empire take the L. Okay.
Trump is now a vessel for the foreign policy blob that he ran against. Dennis Ross, former
negotiator says the blockade always made more sense than Seizing Carg Island is stops
Iran's exports.
Like they literally went from Trump is going to reopen the blockade. I reopened the
straight of hormones is going to do it with our military might. We got our hardest
dick marines coming in
how are we gonna do this i don't know maybe we'll take car garland maybe we'll
take other islands
uh... how will we do that i don't know it doesn't matter will do it somehow okay
their dick sir hard they're ready to go there locked and loaded there been
eating the best crayons better readily available not available to regular
commercial consumers
these crayons that these hard dick marines are eating are basically blue
true crayons
their dick sir hard their weapons are locked and loaded they're ready to
the fucking raping pillage, okay?
Except that hasn't happened because it's virtually impossible to pull through on an operation
like that without suffering significant casualties, okay?
Tremendous casualties.
So much so that even Donald Trump is not pushing for it.
He's saying that he wants to do this, but he clearly hasn't done it, right?
And instead this is the new meta. Oh, you put a blockade on the straight of hormones. Well, guess what?
I'm gonna put a blockade on your blockade
Leaning into the fucking
Leaning into the offense to begin with leaning into the damage that the blockade is doing to the global energy markets
And only worsening that crisis in our own hands. I'm gonna piss off every single motherfucker
I'm going to make the Gulf scream. I am going to make it so that the Gulf never deals with the United States of America again
Okay, I'm gonna make it so that all of the Asian countries
That we have developed security cooperative agreements with suffer
energy grid collapses and
They will lean into China and they will also never work with the United States of America again. Absolutely gutting the
the security umbrella and the defensive perimeter that we've created around China, we're gonna
render that into nothing, okay? We're gonna turn it into dust. I'm gonna do that shit because
I'm fucking crazy. That's what Don Zhu is doing. That's what JD Pondon is doing. Respect
JD Pondon, okay? He is a Maoist or world is we got 30 minutes. Oh, well, Marcus open
And by the way, who knows how they will react to this.
But we have the Maria Bartiroma thing.
All right, let's hear what Richard Haas more, what Richard Haas has to say.
Okay.
All right, do your mods so harsh they block for nothing burger.
We do have serious issue. How does that dick taste in your mouth? I'm on the champions. Okay.
Calm down. All right. On her moves. You suggest the Washington to tell Iran, the shit of hormones
can be open to all clothes or all, you know, he came up with this brilliant idea. Trump leaned
into it. Crucially, Ha says if Iran refuses, the U S should consider blocking the hormones
at the Gulf of Oman to stop Iranian oil experts view Washington should not accept
Iran's sole control over her moves, but also cannot realistically exclude Iran from
straight. Ha says the war has made a return of prewar status quo impossible and the US has lost
the war on a strategic and political sense. separately he calls on Trump to pressure Israel
to stop what he describes as a discretionary war in Lebanon. Knock it off. He suggests Trump
tell Nanny. Trump of course is only listening to the first part of this conversation and deciding
to lean into that and not the second part of the conversation that requires him to literally
tell
uh... israel to knock it off most dependent on on the uh... passage through
the straight
i would bring china into the uh... equation because uh... it has influence
obviously in
in tromba we need uh... some type of a governing authority
that dilutes iran's ability to decide who gets to use the the straight if we
can't get that they would i would favor a blockade again
open for all or close to all
including Iran and a blockade option in the Gulf of Oman.
Even if you get to a governing authority
that we all agree to, it sounds like Iran's going to have a say.
They're going to seat at the table.
It's not clear they had that before.
Is that really a step backward?
Because it used to be an international waterway.
You're right.
And there's no return, though, to the status quo ante.
I think Iran has discovered that it has more leverage
than it ever quite realized before.
I don't think we can walk this back.
so we're gonna have to bring them in.
So yeah, we're gonna end up here and elsewhere,
probably worse off than we were five, six weeks ago.
What we wanna do, that was limit the scale of that.
And I think again, probably the wisest course here
is not to do something to Iran,
but to do something with Iran,
to give Iran a stake in an open state of Hormuz.
And I think we have a chance to achieve that,
but probably only if we have the pressure.
What are the chances that Trump has some pedophile shit on him?
And that's the reason why he's like doing whatever Israel wants.
Is a, is a question that if you were to ask me like, I don't know,
like a year ago, two years ago, I'd be like, dude, come on.
It's fucking bullshit, right?
I'm not gonna lie.
At this point, it is so unsustainable and so transparently idiotic.
What Trump is doing at the behest of Israel, like so clearly
that I'm no longer gonna fucking sit here and act like that's not a concern, okay?
I just, I don't know, I don't know what the fuck is going on.
This goes far beyond boomer, philosemitism, far beyond like a loyalty, ideological loyalty to Zionism.
It is, it's obviously completely outside of the realm of like American foreign policy
and its interest like converging or diverging with Israel's.
I mean, paired up with the whole Melania statement, it does kind of feel like Israel is just teasing
a little bit.
Maybe, I don't know, I just, I can't, it's, it is truly, truly insane what Trump is doing
right now.
It doesn't make any sense.
What Trump should be doing right now is a strategic retreat away from the region,
lean into whatever Iran's demands are, right? And then saying, look, we fucked up. Like we,
we definitely fucked up. We're, you know, we're gonna, we took a L it's fine, you know,
we're, we're gonna gracefully exit this area. And, and, you know, we're, we're gonna double
down on our ambitions in our own backyard, right? Like that kind of thing, the Don
road doctor and like look how easy it was with venezuela um because this is like this
doesn't make any fucking sense this is this is so crazy i this is so much worse than vietnam
like as far as as far as like how big of a defeat this is how public of a defeat this is
What kind of impact this has had globally is Vietnam was was in Vietnam, right and Cambodia Laos, but
Overall, it was like over there. It didn't have this kind of
Major it didn't have this major impact on the rest of the globe
Okay
This is
such a different and and and way more public defeat than I don't think many
Americans fathom like I think a lot of Americans are just sleepwalking through
this process they always do they're totally totally fucking oblivious to
exactly what has taken place in the last 40 plus days you obviously in this
community have seen it you've heard my commentary on it you have
experienced it in real time but most Americans like if you talk to your
co-workers, I feel like they probably don't fully grasp how bad things are, okay?
Yeah, I don't think Americans understand how much of a crisis this is around the world. They're
crying about gas prices. Meanwhile, the rest of the world has like one to two months max.
Yeah, I don't, I don't, like, I think Americans look at this and go, oh man, we're taking a
big fat L at the gas pumps, right? Taking a big fat L at the gas pumps. This sucks.
But, you know, at the end of the day, we're fighting terrorists or whatever, right? Like,
I think the average American's assessment is like, I don't know. They're fucking brown people.
They're scary. They say death to America. Trump is fucking them up. And maybe we're not like,
you know, maybe we haven't achieved their like victory condition, but like my guest
prices are bad. I don't want them to do this. And now I'm increasingly believing that, you
know, he's doing this just for Benjamin and Yal. Just for Israel. I think that's like the
median voters attitude on this issue. What is actually taking place, however,
is a spectacular blow to what has made America the global hegemon, right?
Without the American Navy, without free commerce and free trade taking place on all fucking,
on all seas across the board, guaranteed by the American naval assets, America's hegemonic
status is called in the question.
That's number one.
Number two, Petro-Dollar is taking a major hit here, which has played a formative role
in when tied with the naval assets and forcibly opening all the seas, is the reason why the
dollar is the global reserve currency, which has given America tremendous benefits.
We can dominate our enemies.
we see fit we can design tremendous sanctions and cripple entire markets
cripple entire entire countries like we've done so to Iran many others all of
that goes away when all that goes away what does America have it's just a
fucking belligerent country with a bunch of nukes with 800 military bases
that look a lot like 800 separate military incursions okay this is
something that I have talked about quite a bit when America was deciding
to move away from soft power and going only in the direction of hard power, but I never
thought that it would be this bad.
I didn't realize that defense contractor bloat and American power projection, force projection
capabilities would be this diminished in comparison to a country that we've been able to destroy
economically.
Right?
I don't think Americans understand what that world looks like.
I don't think they recognize that I don't even think most Americans understand that we're losing and getting our
Assbeat in the shade of Hormuz by a country that we've designed as an enemy for no fucking reason
right
We're in it we don't recognize it most people don't
It will get so much worse
Tell you right now it's gonna get so much fucking worse
You'd say peto stuff coming out would actually have an effect on Trump's image at this point.
Isn't there enough mention in the files and first shady things generally with that actual
blatant evidence have enough power?
Yes.
I mean, these are lizard brain cultists like I'm sure it would put a dent.
I'm sure that it would put a dent to the competence of people having Trump, right?
That's it depends on what the pedo stuff is right? I mean it wouldn't it wouldn't significantly deteriorate his base of support
Unless it's gay maybe and with Bill Clinton like I said before if it's like
If it's uh something that like his fans can perceive themselves of doing as well
If it's like a 14 year old or whatever they could probably
Justify it because they'd be like oh, I'm kind of weird around my daughter's friends too, you know like that attitude, but if it's like
Like, you know, if it's like babies or if it's like, you know, him sucking Bill Clinton's dick or something that it's over because no Republican can foresee themselves or can can put themselves in the shoes of Donald Trump doing something like that, right?
Yeah, Megyn Kelly as mine said they already did that they're Megyn Kelly literally defended
Trump potentially predating on like 14 year olds the 16 year olds like he's gross disgusting
these people are monsters.
But I'm just telling you what they're I'm telling you what they could deal with and
justify and what they couldn't justify. Anyway, in intensive talks of the highs
level in 47 years, Iran engaged with the US in good faith to end war. But when just inches away
from Islamabad, MOU, we encountered maximalism, shifting goalposts and blockade. Zero lessons
learned, Goodwill begets Goodwill, and Midi begets and Midi. Let's go talk with Sayed
Abbas Arakshi, Foreign Minister of Iran. The war is not about, oh right, Dhillon Saba
says yes, it will be rational for the U.S. to make the necessary concession for a deal
now and totally foolish to do the war. But that was also the case on February
27th when the available deal was more favorable to the u.s. Then as it is now where the key issue is because then and
Now the key issue is ballistic missiles in Israel ballistic missiles with strike
Capabilities of hitting Israel. Okay. That's been the number one thing that Israel wants to destroy
right
It's ridiculous and no country would say yes to that by the way in Iran
certainly saw that as a non-starter. The war is not about nukes or enrichment. It's about
Iran's force projection and Israel's project of regional hegemony. What would need to change
is not U.S. assessment of possible military outcomes, but U.S. willingness to disregard
Israel so far. We have no evidence of that. Yes. Straight up. I've been saying this
This is day one as well. I agree with this analysis until the United States of America
says fuck off to Israel. We're not going to find a reasonable conclusion here. So it's
more so about how much pressure will America withstand from the global energy crisis that
it has created? How much pressure will the American government withstand from capital
that are definitely calling him and freaking the fuck out,
because they're experiencing asset loss,
sometimes like Amazon warehouses,
Amazon facilities are being blown up,
data centers are being blown up in the Gulf,
and also obviously the inflation that will,
the inflation and the loss of energy transit
that will significantly deteriorate manufacturing
for goods and
and
Parts that are necessary for like, you know, American producers produces all around the world because remember all that's going to China and Vietnam India
These are the manufacturing countries and the manufacturing countries are getting most of their oil from the straight
so when they can't
get
necessary resources
Then all of a sudden they can't manufacture the goods and the and the components
necessary for global manufacturing, right?
People are not factoring this into the equation at all for some strange reason
when having this conversation when Trump tries to make it seem like this is a fucking you problem,
right?
It'll be like, well, we got all of our oil, we got all of our needs, man.
All right, bitch, but you don't make shit, you don't make anything.
What do you think happens?
What do you think happens when, sure, you got your oil needs met, you got your gas needs met,
but you don't have any of the fucking components necessary for American production,
necessary for the goods that are coming into the United States of America?
What happens when there are shortages?
It's not true. It's not even true. We get like 20% from there.
Yeah, I mean, we also still get, yes, it's a global commodity and it all obviously impacts,
even though we're an exporter, we still get some oil from the straight, if I'm not mistaken,
but it doesn't matter. That's like, you can make up for that with overproduction, okay?
You can even make in the short term more money for American oil refineries that will now kick
into high gear, the thick Venezuelan crude, thick crude from Venezuela, right?
And that's probably what's happening right now.
Donald Trump has talked about it, as a matter of fact, all these empty oil tankers are transiting.
They're coming to the United States of America.
Now we're going to be the sole oil exporter.
What did I explain to you, though?
What did I tell you?
Yes, America has light from fracking, but now it has thick crude from Venezuela.
listen. What I told you was we do not have the refinement capacity even with the Venezuelan
thick crude coming to US refineries. We currently as it stands do not have the refinement capacity
to keep up with 20% of the entire oil supply coming from the strait, okay?
We don't have it. And we will not have it. There is no way that we will be able to make up for
the loss that the rest of the world has incurred.
A loss that they don't even need to experience, a loss that we brought about to the global energy markets, okay?
Yeah, it's the fertilizers, helium for MRI machines, et cetera. It's not just about the oil. There's no replacing those things from other parts around the world that too, yes.
And not only that, but also the way that the oil and gas industry operates is they're not
going to fucking turn around and sell at anything less than market price.
So Americans will experience inflation.
Trump, we are mobilizing our ships, and we have a huge fleet that we're moving to the
Shredder Hormuz.
The blockade will be similar to what we did to Venezuela, but at a higher level, I want
everything.
They have no cards.
Barr says Trump joined T. Moran, the U.S. president by threatening a military blockade
on the Shredda Hormuz, dashed Annalise Lashhope for a drop in oil prices.
Senator Mark Warner, I don't understand how blocking the Shredda is somehow going to push
the Iranians into opening it.
I don't see the connection here.
IRGC Navy command says any misstep by the enemy in the Shredda Hormuz will place them
within a zone of moral danger.
Remember, that threat is also very real.
They are coming into striking distance as well.
So in order to implement a blockade, they have to be in striking distance of Iranian
ballistic munitions and Iranian drones, right?
So I don't even know how they are going to do this without having their naval asses
get bombed and experience laundry fires.
destroyers will start having laundry fires over and over again, you know,
it wasn't enough that we lost so many aerial assets, so many fixed position radars.
Now we got the Navy to contend with now we're going to lose fucking naval assets too. Fuck it,
You know
Laundry fires question mark. Well, it's a it's a joke chatter. I'm saying that it is uh, yeah, that's that's like a
What happened to us is Gerald Ford
Or at least that's what they claimed. All right
So yeah, us central commander now sunday will begin a blockade of all maritime traffic entering exiting iranian ports at 10 a.m
Eastern time on April 13th following the collapse of peace talks in Islamabad.
SENTCOM said it will not impede freedom of navigation for ships,
transiting the Shredda Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.
The blockade will be enforced against vessels of all nations calling at Iranian ports
on the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman,
which means any ship that actually transits through the strait,
because currently they have to pay a toll to Iran, will be blocked by America.
Okay. The other thing that he's also talking about is blocking Chinese tankers, Iranian
oil tankers that are transiting through the Shredda Hormuz, unimpeded, and sending tankers
of oil to China.
The announcement comes hours after Vice President J. D. Vez left Islamabad without a deal after
21 hours of negotiations. It's unbelievably stupid. Okay.
It'll be that's who Donald Trump is. He's an unbelievably stupid guy. So let's take a look
now that we looked at Richard Haas's analysis as well. Let's look at two different things. One,
Danny Cetrinowitz of Atlantic Council. He's critical of this deal, critical of this move.
He says, there are no easy fix on the Iran problem. Ephraim Cretail, Iran's oil experts
would almost certainly trigger a sharp response from Tehran, most notably attempts to disrupt
or shut down traffic through the Shredder Hormuz, such a move would send global oil prices soaring
with immediate and far-reaching consequences for the international economy.
A naval blockade often discussed an alternative is no silver bullet. It will require U.S. forces
to operate in close proximity to Iran's coastline, significantly increasing their exposure to risk.
Iran's geographic scale and military capabilities mean that sustaining such an
operation would demand substantial and prolonged allocation of American resources.
More importantly, there is little reason to believe that blockade would force Iranian
capitulation.
If anything, Iran's demonstrated resilience thus far suggests the opposite, that it would
absorb the pressure and respond potentially through kinetic means in order to reassert
deterrence.
You're literally putting more targets in striking distance that have the American
flag on them.
Iran would love that opportunity.
It's precisely the reason why the IRGC has kept saying, come closer, come closer, please
try to transit some oil tankers through the strait.
I promise, you know, we'll let the tanker go through.
We just won't let your destroyer go through.
So that's what Donald Trump is seemingly invested in doing.
It doesn't make any sense at all.
The likely outcome then is not a decisive breakthrough.
Economic pressure on Iran would intensify, but so too would be strained on global
markets and regional stability, particularly given the centrality of the gulf to global
energy flows, which raises an unavoidable question.
If this approach were truly decisive, why wasn't it pursued earlier, which is the absolute
best question to ask here, because it wasn't a good idea.
Because Trump, it seems, didn't put a lot of thought into this at all.
And because he's run out of fucking options, he probably heard Richard Haas say it and
was like, oh, this seems smart.
Fuck it.
Why not?
Well, now let's hear what Donald Trump had to say to Maria Bartiromo on Fox News this
Sunday.
Well, we're going to be blockading it'll take a little while, but it'll be effective
pretty soon.
Oh, the full Maria Bartiromo interviews the next.
Okay, let's watch this first and then we'll get to Maria Bartiromo then.
Again, with some breaking news, the U.S. President Donald Trump just posted on Truth
social for Iran. Got him. It read Iran promised to open the
straight off her moves and they knowingly failed to do so. This
caused anxiety, dislocation and pain to many people and
countries throughout the world. They say they put mines in the
water even though all of their Navy and most of their
mine droppers have been completely blown up. They may
have done so. What ship owner would want to take the
chance. There is great dishonour and permanent harm to the reputation of Iran and what's
left of their leaders. But we are beyond all of that. As they promise they better begin
the process of getting this caps lock international waterway open and fast. Every law in the book
is being violated by them. I have been fully debriefed by Vice President JD Vance, Special
Envoy Steve Wykoff and Jared Kushner on the meeting that took place in Islamabad
through the kind and very competent leadership of Field Marshal Asim Muneer and Prime Minister
Shabazz Sharif of Pakistan. They are very extraordinary men and continuously thank me for saving 30 to
50 million lives and what would have been a horrendous war with India. I always appreciate
hearing that. The amount of humanity spoken of is incomprehensible. The meeting with Iran
Iran began early in the morning and lasted throughout the night, close to 20 hours.
I could go into great detail and talk about much that has been forgotten, but there is
only one thing that matters.
Iran is unwilling to give up its nuclear ambitions.
In many ways, the points that were agreed to are better than us continuing our military
operations to conclusion.
But all of those points don't matter compared to allowing nuclear power to be in the hands
of such a volatile, difficult, unpredictable people.
My three representatives, as all of this time went by, became not surprisingly very friendly
and respectful of Iran's representatives, Mohammad Baga Ghalibbaf, Abbas Araqi and
Ali Bagari.
But that doesn't matter because they were very unyielding as to the single most important
issue. And as I have always said right from the beginning, many years ago, Iran will never
have a nuclear weapon.
By the way, all of the, all of the, the, the conversation about the nuclear stuff is good.
The reason why I say that is because like it's the one area where Iran actually made
concessions on numerous occasions, both the JCPOA and certainly with the last negotiation
that ended up with Donald Trump attacking Iran. So the more Trump signals that that's
a big red line, the better things are for reaching a manageable conclusion in the ceasefire.
Okay? Because it makes me feel like that is being presented as like the big deal, right?
So that there's a little bit of theater associated with it, so that it kind of feels like America
fought the good fight, and we're able to get the major concession.
It's not the major concession at all, obviously the major concession would be opening the fucking
straight of hormones and no longer allowing Iran to control it.
But that's not gonna happen because Iran controls it militarily.
So the idea that the nukes are the real problem here is, I think, a way for Trump
to hint at what he is trying to, what he is positioning as a solid W to the American
public.
Now, of course, given the current conditions, this will be infinitely worse than the JCPOA
from the American position.
I don't personally care that it gives some economic, much needed economic respite to
Iran.
I think that's a good thing.
We have been starving this country for decades for no fucking reason.
Holy shit, you are so annoying.
Shut the fuck up.
Does it make you feel bad?
What stake do you have in this?
If you're an American citizen, are you an American citizen?
Because if the answer is yes, like, what stake do you have in this that like Donald Trump
decided to go blow up Iran at the behest of Israel, at the behest of Netanyahu?
And now the only thing that you're experiencing is just an increase in prices and potentially
an inflation, potentially a crisis of inflation regardless.
So like, you didn't get anything out of this process at all.
And also on top of that, the only thing that many of these fucking losers lean into,
which is America's forced projection capabilities, is diminished, is gone, is deteriorated,
if not completely destroyed.
It doesn't make any sense that these guys will just be like, oh, I'm so fucking mad at you for explaining to me exactly what's happening right now.
Donald J. Trump.
Well, we are live in Tehran and Islamabad where we start with our White House correspondent, Kimberley Halquett.
Kimberley, I was reading that for the first time.
You may have been hearing that for the first time.
We know that obviously Trump was dialed in multiple times during the talks in Islamabad,
but what would you make of this very, very long, truth social post?
Promising that the Strait of Hormuz needs to be open, that the international waterway
must be opened soon and fast in caps lock, and obviously reiterating the American stance
that Iran must give up its nuclear ambitions.
Where do we go from here?
Well, we go to what I think is the second part
of Donald Trump's very lengthy and long tweet.
And correct me if I'm wrong, Nief,
because I'm reading this in real time just like you,
but it seemed to me there were two posts
in quick succession.
And the second post, or the first,
I'm not sure which order came in,
but I believe the second might be even more consequential
than the first about the straight being opened
because it starts out, so there you have it.
The meeting went well, most points were agreed to,
but the only point that mattered, nuclear was not.
Leaders are dead, he goes on to say it near the end of it
in Iran, but he says Iran will not be allowed
to profit off the illegal act of extortion.
What he means is the blockage
of the straight of Hormuz.
They want money and more importantly,
they want nuclear. Additionally, and at an appropriate moment, this is key. We are fully
locked and loaded and our military will finish up the little that is left of Iran. These
are the words I think are most consequential because the U.S. president said very, very
affirmly before these talks, he said that if a no deal is reached, the military was
loading up.
There's something very funny about being like Iran. How dare you extort the world? The only we get to do that, which is why we're doing that now
Okay
It's so funny
How dare you?
How dare you think you can extort this is extortion offering a toll offer your coastline
That is a geographic choke point
Um is is extortion, which is why we will be doing that
thousands of miles away from our shoreline, you know, an issue that we actually created.
Once again, it's important to recognize that the Strait of Hormuz was open for business before
Donald Trump decided to blow up Iran. Up and would be ready to go. And so the U.S. president
now has reiterated that. So this is the big fear that everyone had, is that this would
just be a pause in fighting. But the U.S. President has indicated that he is ready to
resume at a time and place of his choosing. So it's obviously going to be concerning
because this is going to have ramifications that go far beyond Islamabad, the fact that
the U.S. president has reiterated his threat and says he is now going to carry out and
finish the job of epic fury, the joint operation between the United States and Israel on Iran
that was started and only temporarily paused for the talks that occurred here and have
resulted in no deal in Islamabad.
Kimberley, just give us a sense of the sentiment there, the wake of these high-level talks in
a slum of biotech.
Is there any perception whatsoever that there are avenues for further discussion, or is,
at least when it comes to negotiations as they stand right now, have the shutters
come down?
until Donald Trump sent that post,
there definitely was still an air of hope
in the atmosphere here in Islamabad.
Look behind me here or off to the side,
I'm not exactly sure where in the frame the Serena hotel is,
but something historic occurred.
Groups of people that have never sat face to face
in decades, not since 1979,
achieved that for the first time.
That is being seen beyond Donald Trump as a major world diplomatic breakthrough.
And we also know that there was rapport for the first time.
We also know that there were teams that hung around after JD Bantz boarded Air Force Two
along with Jared Kushner and Steve Wiskoff to leave Islamabad.
Those people were talking at the much lower level.
And the whole quest-
is blaming Pakistan for the peace talks failing? Oh, that's so funny. This would continue. Oh,
that's amazing. Some sort of shuttle type diplomacy between the intermediary, the Pakistan, and
that there would at least be able to on the technical level, be discussions that would
continue. But it's a real question now about whether or not that still stands given the
president's statements that have just come out. The US president again, making very
clear, and this is something that's going to disrupt the oil markets and certainly cause
energy to spike, is that he says that the one thing that mattered to the United States
was making sure that Iran could never build a nuclear weapon.
That was not achieved.
So by all accounts, the U.S. president is saying this was a failure, even though
everyone else saw the breakthrough in the discussion being a success.
The U.S. president has drawn a new line saying that the U.S. military is locked and loaded
and will finish up the little that is left of Iran.
The threat can't be any more clear than that.
And I expect that we're going to start to see the rippling ramifications, whether it's
in the oil markets, whether it's in fear of escalation, is going to quickly ensue
as a result of this post that really has spiked any sort of sense of hope that
that existed here up until moments ago.
Kimberley, we'll get the view now from Ali Hashem
in Tehran on this.
Ali, look, we are trying to put into context
the latest truth social post from Donald Trump.
You may have heard some of it from Kimberley Halkett
there and Islamabad.
It boils down to this.
Trump says the US is ready to finish up Iran
at a quote appropriate moment.
We are fully locked and loaded.
This, of course, off the back of a perception
that the talks in Islamabad have failed,
give us a sense of what overarching message,
at least the Iranian negotiators
are carrying back from Islamabad to their home country.
Well, the Iranian negotiators went to Islamabad saying
and indicating clearly that there is a pillar
of mistrust holding this tent of negotiations.
And for them, what happened yesterday overnight for around 21 hours was the last possible
attempt to reach a deal with the United States, though, as I told you, they went with a lot
of mistrust.
And the street here also holds a lot of mistrust.
Now, given the fact President Trump's reaction, this is going to have its own implication
also on the Iranians because they took into consideration, this is a ceasefire, this is
not the end of war, and they've said this.
And in the past, actually, they said they're not going for a ceasefire, they will go for
an end of war, but this didn't happen.
So now they're still controlling the strait, they are repeating day after day, hour after
hour, that they're not opening the strait as far as the conditions they put for that
is aren't met.
One of them is the issue of Lebanon and the differences find them on this.
Eight minutes and it's up 9%.
Trying to find a different try to find a difference via Italy's espresso online magazine and the
Nazi der Sturmer's depiction of Jews.
I was not able to see a difference.
Any Holocaust museum and scholar who was silent in the face of such anti-semitism
forgot the main lesson. Wait, wait, isn't that a, did you just, I don't want to say anything
wrong here, but that's a real photo. Did this guy who is an Israel defender look at a real photo
of a IDF settler harassing a Palestinian woman and said, wow, anti-Semitic cartoons much.
much. Dude, you can't. Oh my God. What was he thinking when he said this?
I mean, that's, this is the worst version of every encountered of the whole, like saying
Israel kills babies is a blood libel, you know, well, that doesn't actually end up
making people question
uh... what they're seeing
uh... and and uh... and decide all you know well maybe i shouldn't actually
uh... maybe i shouldn't actually say that israel kills babies because all no
it's blood libel of my come across the fence and when i'm you know seeing all
the babies israel's killing
it just makes people reconsider whether blood libel israel or not
unironically gives legitimacy to these heinous depictions
these heinous anti-semitic depictions
when you pair them up with a real fucking photo
another
another incredible moment
where Israel's greatest defenders are leading to its global demise.
It's its collapse of its approval ratings around the globe.
Are you waiting for someone?
Why are you so far?
All right.
I'm making a taco slash rap Mediterranean rap.
Anyway, very cool stuff from second is on freezing the assets now. I think we are outside
this circle now. We are in a different circle now dealing with a new situation, actually
an old situation that's being renewed. The threat of war, the resumption of war for Iran,
this would mean back to business just like last week. And then no one knows how this
is going to reach a new station or a new juncture where there's a possibility to talk once
again. You know, before the war, the main issues were the nuclear issue and the
ballistic issue. Now, especially in the latest talks that took place in Islamabad yesterday
on this dome, the main issue was the straight of Hormuz, an issue that wasn't on the table
even.
Yeah, because it wasn't an issue at all. That is an indication that America has lost.
had a lot more leverage in the initial negotiations process, a lot more leverage, right? And then
they chose to blow their load on whatever the fuck Israel's desires were, whatever Israel's
design was, and they not only lost all their leverage, but now Iran has all the leverage
And additional things that Iran now controls.
Spectacular failure.
You, Rikshiko.
Yeah.
I mean, what do we make of the fact that it wasn't even mentioned by JD
Vance in this final news conference that he gave in Islamabad?
I'm sure there would have been more questions put to him about that, but it wasn't among
the first that were asked of him.
I mean, just looking at this truth social post by Donald Trump in more detail, this promise
to finish up Iran an appropriate moment appears to be contingent upon the Strait of Hamouz,
waterway being open and open fast, Donald Trump's words.
Where are we right now when it comes to Iran's leverage over the Strait of Hamouz
and whether or not in any way a compromise there might help stave off Trump promising
to finish up Iran?
Well, it's actually, it's now clear that the epicenter of this whole conflict has shifted
from the nuclear program to the straight of humans because the straight of humans
has more direct implication, not only on this region, but on the world.
This weaponization of this trade by Iran created a kind of a global energy crisis that is just
accumulating day after day and reaching the houses, each house in the United States,
Europe, and the whole world.
At the same time, this is having more implications on the region.
seem till the moment capable of closing the strait or at least creating a situation of
managed passage just according to whom they agree with and they disagree with and we've
seen this even tomorrow, sorry, yesterday according to the maps and the programs that
track the Marines.
So for the Iranians they know very well that this is their asset right now and that's
That's why they are insisting on continuing it and, as we've been saying before, the Supreme
Leader, the new Supreme Leader, Moshe Bakhaminay, mentioned the straight for now a couple of
times in two statements.
And that's not only, let me say, official decree.
This is becoming for the Islamic Republic a religious decree.
And we begin this Sunday morning with breaking news on the war in Iran.
Trump announcing moments ago, a naval blockade of the
state of Hormuz is beginning.
Coming up in moments, President Trump will join me in
an exclusive interview to give us the very latest on the
war on Iran as high-level talks between the United
States and Iran have concluded with no deal.
It was the first direct talks between the two
countries in a decade and the highest level talks
between the two since the Islamic Revolution in 1979.
The talks beginning on Saturday and lasting 21 hours in Islamabad, Pakistan.
Vice President J. D. Vance was in Pakistan leading the U.S. delegation, along with Jared
Kushner and Special Envoy Steve Whitcoff, as a fragile ceasefire has been underway between
the two sides since Tuesday after President Trump agreed to give Iran two more weeks
to open up the Strait of Hormuz or face further destruction.
Now the president will implement a naval blockade on the street.
Here's Vice President JD Vance after the talks in Islamabad this morning.
We've been at it now for 21 hours and we've had a number of substantive discussions with
the Iranians.
That's the good news.
The bad news is that we have not reached the agreement and I think that's bad news
for Iran much more than it's bad news for the United States of America.
Joining me now live on the telephone with the very latest is the nation's 45th and 47th
President of the United States, President Donald J. Trump.
Mr. President, thank you so much for being with me this morning.
I know that your time is limited and we appreciate you making the time to explain all of this
to our audience.
Thank you, sir.
Well, thank you very much.
Thank you, Marie.
Mr. President, can you explain to us what is going on right now with the blockade
in the Strait of Hormuz?
Well, we're going to be blockading it'll take a little while, but it'll be effective
pretty soon.
And we had meetings yesterday, they, as you said, lasted 21 hours, that was a long meeting
with some very, very good representatives, as you know, JD and Steve and Jared.
So we were well represented, but we didn't get there on the important issue.
They want to have nuclear weapons, they're not going to have nuclear weapons.
I've been saying that for 30 years.
I would never allow that to happen before I was in politics and that country will not
have nuclear weapons.
Most countries shouldn't be allowed to have, but that country will not have nuclear weapons.
Not Israel.
So Mr. President, was that the red line there?
Can you explain to us what went on in these talks?
What?
Do Maria Bartiromo looks fucking insane, dog.
time I see her, she looks more crazy.
Did the United States ask if Iran and how did they react?
Well, they reacted, you know, it was very interesting. Yes,
it was on those empty. They were they came in like they had
the cars, but they don't have the cars. Their army and their
whole military is obliterated, the whole place is obliterated. And, you know, as you know,
levels of leaders are gone. They're literally gone.
I mean, just don't make sense, right? If that was the case, you wouldn't be doing a double
blockade. You would reduce the number of blockades to zero, not double the number
a blockade that exists in the region, right? Like clearly if the fucking the Iranian Navy
capabilities have been significantly deteriorated, there'd be zero blockades right now.
He's gone. The whole thing is gone. The whole place is gone. They have one thing that they
can do they can say well gee we're gonna put a mine someplace in the just a mine
we'll drop one mine two mines ten mines and that will if you have a ship they
cost a billion dollars you say well you know where is this I don't know why we
have to condemn Trump's sort of destroying civilian infrastructure in a
civilization if Iran's whole tactic has been targeting civilian
infrastructure can I ban neek skit literally saying attacking civilians
This is wrong, man. Wait, what? Who do you think between Iran and the United States of
America was targeting civilian infrastructure more and first and killed a shit ton more
civilians? Look at the whole convo before. No, answer my question. Who started the war
war through perfidy, which is, you know, illegal.
Who started the war after a round of negotiations where the Iranians, before this war, decided
not to, before the Iranians, before the war started, decided to basically give in to
all the demands. Condemn that as well. Okay, there's nothing else to condemn then.
That was horrible doing war crimes first, doesn't justify the other ones after.
That's Israel's argument as well, and it's wrong. Dude, what the fuck are you
talking about? What are you actually talking about? What the fuck is Iran
supposed to do, buddy? Would you be fine if Iran blew up American military bases on the
United States homeland? You know what I mean? Iran is implementing a blockade, which is
perfectly reasonable for them to do so. And on top of that, they are implementing a toll
system, which is not even a blockade any longer, but instead of a way for them to
to retrieve revenues that they've lost
because America unjustifiably chose to sanction them.
To say this in the eve of America also saying,
instead of negotiating with Iran
and allowing commerce to go through this straight,
we're gonna do a double blockade instead is extra stupid.
You're why us third world charters hate your asses?
I mean, that's an exceptionally stupid person.
That's an exceptionally stupid person
who is behaving like a baby,
who doesn't understand anything.
Or they're like, oh, I don't understand.
Why is Iran not fighting and abiding by the rules
that we are violating when we're attacking Iran?
Unbelievably stupid statement.
The fuck are they supposed to do, man?
They're trying to do their very best
to continue their sovereignty
after they've been unjustifiably and illegally attacked by not one but two countries.
One of those two countries wants to completely destroy it.
America for far too long has decided might makes right.
Well, that was all good.
As long as there was no military that had the capacity to say, I bet Iran clearly
does and they are capable of engaging in asymmetric warfare. Iran is the victim here, Iran is the
wrong party here, and they have every fucking right to fight back to maintain their sovereignty.
Okay? You can't destroy the rules and violate them with regular frequency and then cry to the
fucking referee when you killed the referee. We are the reason why the referee is dead.
And in spite of that, Iran has been unbelievably restrained in its retaliatory strikes,
only going up the escalation ladder when America goes up the escalation ladder.
You should be begging. You should be on your hands and knees,
thanking Allah and Ali that they're not behaving in the way that Israel behaves.
It's totally ridiculous. Imagine if Iran treated the Gulf States in the same way that
Israel treats Iran in the same way that Israel is treated Lebanon in the same way that Israel
all of those Gulf States that went and got American military bases thinking that that
wouldn't at any given point, uh, turn the cross-Saharan on them who are now complaining that Iran
is even striking back.
All of those countries are, are a turkey chute.
If necessary, if Iran wanted to behave like Israel, Iran could literally exclusively
kill civilians in the Gulf States.
they have not done so. Israel is still deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure. Iran has
only retaliated by targeting civilian infrastructure like desalination plants after Israel or America
has struck its civilian infrastructure. There is no both sides are bad. When our side
is the party that's doing the wrong.
I cannot believe it.
I can't believe that there's still people saying this shit.
Sorry, just read a Guardian article
where now people are saying horizontal escalation,
targeting civilians with tactic works, works,
and I hated how this is being normalized by all sides.
I got triggered basically, okay.
Then demand to literally restrain
and perhaps dissolve the current israeli state
because if there is one country
that is wiped its fucking ass
with all of those previous rules and still continues to do so
it's the united states of america and is israel it's especially israel
all right
you can't
destroy the rules and violate them over and over again
and then not expect
similar violations to take place once you have violated those rules against the
country that's willing to fight back
totally ridiculous
prefer not getting whacked by a mind losing my ship or
damaging it badly at least
and so that's uh... a little bit of a thing that they can do with it
military might and military power don't do it but you know it's extortion
and they're extorting the world you know we don't get our role from there
we have so much that we have
And one thing you said, I don't know if anybody heard it well,
but we have boats pouring up to the United States.
They'll be filling them up and they'll be leaving
and they're going to be packed with the best oil.
You can get light sweet crude.
They're going to have the best oil that you can get.
But so that's interesting.
And it's great because we have a lot of oil.
We don't get any.
I mean, literally last year was 1%.
We did that as a favor.
We don't need this straight.
But other countries do, and I will tell you,
while we're on the subject, we're very disappointed with NATO,
very, very disappointed that they didn't come.
Now they want to come and they want to help with the Strait,
and it won't take long to clean it out.
So we're going to clean out the Strait,
and they'll be able to use the Strait
in not too long a distance.
But we had a very intensive negotiation,
and toward the end, it got very friendly.
And we got just about every point we needed,
except for the fact that they refuse to give up their nuclear ambition.
And that's the only point, frankly, to me.
That was the most important point by far.
And I want to ask you about that, and I will get to NATO as well.
But, Ms. President, you wrote on TruthSocial this morning
saying that we will begin the process of blockading any and all ships
trying to enter or leave the Strait of Hormuz.
And at some point, we will reach an all being allowed to go in
and all being allowed to go out basis.
So, tell us what you're trying to accomplish with this blockade, sir.
It's called All In and All Out, yep.
It's called All In and All Out.
There'll be a time when we'll have them all come.
It's so funny, he just like directly copies shit that he sees on his timeline.
I mean, I guess it's cutting out the middle man in some respects,
because in the past, like, what is this?
Iran and MP who attended a song about talks, America was not seeking an arrangement.
Yeah, yeah, we'll cover that, hold on, I know.
In the past, you would have like, FTD send the talking boys to the White House and the
White House would like, put it in their own language.
Now they just copy and paste that shit.
In the past, you would have a guy like Richard Haas have meetings with Trump's analysts
and then they would communicate these points to Donald Trump.
Now he just sees it on his timeline and just like repeats it.
And then it becomes official policy.
Fantastic.
And we had meetings yesterday, as you said, lasted 21 hours, that was a long meeting.
We had some very, very good representatives, as you know, JD and Steve and Jared.
So we were well-represented, but we didn't get there on the important issue.
They want to have nuclear weapons, they're not going to have nuclear weapons.
I've been saying that for 30 years.
I would never allow that to happen before I was in politics, and that country will not
have nuclear weapons.
Most countries shouldn't be allowed to have, but that country will not have nuclear weapons.
Well, they reacted.
It was very interesting.
It started off weak.
They came in like they had the cars, but they don't have the cars.
Their army, their whole military is obliterated.
The whole place is obliterated.
And as you know, the levels of leaders are gone.
They're literally gone.
the whole thing is gone, the whole place is gone.
They have one thing that they can do.
They can say, well, gee, we're going to put a mine someplace
in the, just a mine.
We'll drop one mine, two mines, 10 mines.
And that will, if you have a ship that costs a billion dollars,
you'll say, well, you know, I prefer not getting whacked
by a mine, losing my ship or damaging it badly, at least.
And so that's a little bit of a thing that they can do
that it's military might and military power don't do it,
but, you know, it's extortion.
and they're extorting the world.
You know, we don't get our oil from there.
We have so much oil.
We have, and one thing you said,
and I don't know if anybody heard it well,
but we have boats pouring up to the United States.
They'll be filling them up and they'll be leaving
and they're gonna be packed with the best oil.
You can get light, sweet crude.
They're gonna have the best oil that you can get.
But so that's interesting and it's great
because we have a lot of oil.
We don't get any.
I mean, literally last year it was 1%.
We do that as a favor.
We don't need this trade.
But other countries do.
And I will tell you, while we're on the subject, we're very disappointed with NATO.
We're very, very disappointed that they didn't come.
Now they want to come and they want to help with the trade, and it won't take long to
clean it out.
So we're going to clean out the trade, and they'll be able to use the trade in not
too long a distance.
But we had a very intensive negotiation, and toward the end, it got very friendly.
And we got just about every point we needed, except for the fact that they refused to give
up their nuclear ambition.
And that's the only point, frankly, to me, that was the most important point.
Remember, absolutely the worst possible person to ask about anything that took place, not
only because he wasn't there, but even if he was there, he would have still lied,
obviously.
I need you to understand, Trump is the least reliable party to genuinely comprehend what's
gonna happen next, okay?
He does not know what the fuck's going on.
He doesn't know what he's gonna say next.
He's the absolute lunatic.
He has no idea what's happening.
U.S. will maybe strike back Wall Street Journal. Oh, nice. In the last hour, Hezbollah's bomb
Nahariya and fired two swarms of drones at Northern Settlements. Hothers shot besman.
Two helicopters landed at Ishelov Hospital in the last hours. They're hinting at
another security incident. Oh my God, his bull is smoking. The Israeli invaders is crazy.
Reuters, senior U S officials says Iran rejected demands and stopped funding its allies across
the Middle East. Hamas is below Houthis and to halt uranium enrichment. IRGC, the approach
of military ships to the Shredihorn moves under any pretext of violation of the ceasefire.
And we will deal with them firmly. Israeli platform, the home front command is currently
convened in an emergency discussion.
Wall Street Journal says, Trump and his advisor are looking at resuming limited military strikes
in Iran in addition to the US blockade of the straight of hormones as a way to break a stalemate
in the peace talks.
Dude, this is not how you do peace talks, man.
This is not how you look like we have to, oh my God.
We only know hegemon status for like the last 50 years almost, certainly for the last 40.
So this is how we operate, where we're just like, oh dude, we're having a ceasefire talk.
Well, it's fine.
You just fucking blow them up during the process.
That's not how it works, man.
What a delusional way to operate.
So stupid. You can't
I
Want to have a conversation with someone in this happen to be like what the fuck are you guys thinking?
Like this only
This only works if you have the cards, right? Like if you're actually winning and you want to be a piece of shit
You know the way that like for example, Israel like Israel operates this way against the Palestinian population
Oh, you want to do a ceasefire? Okay. Let's do a ceasefire. You cease, we fire, right?
But that is a paramilitary formation comprised of, you know, the orphaned children that have
resistance, resisted against an apartheid state that's doing genocide. Like, that's a very different,
that's an ascetic force, right? Very different than sovereign nation versus sovereign nation
warfare
you can't do this to iran if you are not winning and the very fact
the very fact what the campaign against you so big and out of control
but now i'm seeing people hallucinate the running for office and as for money
for your campaign in texan emails is a while new narrative
eight no shot
What?
So awesome.
I swear to God, Hassanabe Duran decision was a mass hallucinate.
Is a mass psychosis event, dude.
Austin ox was just making a joke wait. No, he did
No
No, and no that cooked me isn't it? He's running in 2030. He told me put on put on your calcium polymer
Come on Austin ox. You can't be doing that man. You cannot be doing that. There's like
Psycho's out there butter brother. What the fuck?
Fuck butter. This brings me back to the famous ad is bombing for pieces like fucking for
virginity. Yeah, it's just the only speed America knows though.
I'm going to be honest, I thought that would have started asking for money in their quest
against you.
Oh, another straddle tanker that arrived at RAF Milden Hall with heavy shrapnel damage
Visible across the aircraft and they fucking peppered that bad boy. God damn. I
Thought these guys had nothing
This is just one example of a few I've seen
In this clip, what is this? They did this in 2016-2024 this mission. I don't understand why these assholes getting free airtime. I
Don't understand why these assholes getting free airtime for the fucking bullshit
They run as Dems, but hate Dems, John Federmann, and yet it's campaign texting, email, Dem voters, and beg for money. Wait, what?
The Sompiker isn't running for office. Are you okay? What campaign texting emails? Are you hallucinating your own reality? No, this is just like one person.
This is...
They gave that bird the dick, Cheney? True.
I mean, this is threads, you know, we're grasping for straws here.
One person who's insane on threads is not exactly, you know, is not exactly indicative
of like a mass hallucination event.
Anyway, this is interesting.
Yeah, it's birdshot.
Birdshot.
birdshot that's what it is their bird strikes
they just hate the shot of tankers
total at this victory they give you a full bipartisan attack and it did nothing
it didn't do nothing it actually boosted my profile
with a whole deal of
liberals that heard what people were saying about me
tuned in to hear what i was actually saying and realize all
They're just attacking this guy for no fucking reason.
Mi VUG.
Yank Majar Peter.
The Hungarians are going crazy in the chat today.
Liberals did Iran war to you, yeah.
What makes Trump incapable of a deal is whatever he was feeling before hand,
he assumes anyone close to making a deal with him to be a sucker and immediately
pushes for more.
That's actually not wrong.
Yeah, he does because he fucks people all the time.
He fucks people over in every deal.
And that's the only way he can like, that's the only way he will be
satisfied with a deal, right?
So he thinks, oh, these guys want to come to the table.
That must mean that they have no cards.
Cuz he's a fucking idiot. That could be part of it.
The AOC, what? Hit piece are coming out. Axios, AOC wrestled left wing Dems.
Improvative causing Cortez's funeral by the criticism believing it's unfair and counterproductive for the progressive movement on liberal, one liberal strategist told
Axios, AOC's lamented that the left was not there for her.
That they have never, that they are never pleased. Oh god.
They're they're trying to rat fuck. I
Don't think this stuff will work because I think AOC will
Capture I
Think AOC will will unironically capture the entirety of the left
Okay
Like there will be obviously naysayers. There will be some ultras
but if AOC chose the run it chose the run it would be
J.C.P. Press is some crazy shit today on X. What did J.C.P. President say?
Yeah, she unites the the libs
She unites the libs and she definitely has most of the most of the backing
For every anarchy we lose in the country we gain two to three wine mom barbers and devbers in the suburbs
from the countryside. Yeah, it's true.
Annarka's living in the countryside. That's funny.
At the time, why is this so dark?
This clip is so dark. I don't know what's happening.
She said the exact opposite of this at the DSA event, by the way.
Yeah, because she's fake.
Anyway, Washington General Trump and his advisor are looking at resuming limited military strikes
in Iran in addition to U.S. blockade as a way to break the stalemate and peace talks.
Awesome.
According to official people familiar with the situation, Israel high on two more soldiers
wounded in battle with Hezbollah.
SENTCOM's new blockade of Iranian ports begins in 16 hours.
Reuters, futures contracts for Brent crude jump up to $102.60 per barrel.
crude hits 105-25 per barrel nice. We shot ourselves in the foot and totally
fucked ourselves in the process. Things are going spectacular.
things are going swimmingly well okay trust man and all come out but it won't
be a percentage it won't be a friend of yours like a country that's your ally or
a country that's your friend it's all or nothing and that'll be that won't be
in too long of distance no we're just bringing the ships up we got a lot of
ships so we're bringing them up we think that numerous countries are
going to be helping us with this also, but we're putting on a complete blockade.
Um, oh, I was watching.
I was watching the other, uh, other clip that has like all the best notes.
It's called all in, all out.
Yep.
It's called all in and all out.
There'll be a time when we'll have them all come in and all come out, but
it won't be a percentage.
It won't be a friend of yours.
like a country that's your ally or a country that's your friend is all or nothing. And that'll
be, that won't be in too long a distance. No, we're just bringing the ships up.
Not been following it as closely. Can you explain to those people why it was critical
for the United States to go into Iran? Can you articulate what was behind that move
that was so important to the U.S. to go into Iran?
Yeah, so easy.
The easiest question you've asked me so far,
they can't have nuclear weapons.
They have nuclear.
They want to enrich what they have.
They want to enrich more.
As you know, we knocked out with the B-2 bombers.
Had we not knocked that out,
they would have had a nuclear weapon
within one month after we knocked out.
In other words, had the B-2s,
those beautiful B-2 bombers,
totally obliterated their three sites,
their three sites.
and they are now deep in the earth with tons of rock.
Now, that material should be gotten,
but we have cameras on it, we have satellites
with space force, that was one of my beauty space force.
So important.
But we're watching those,
we're watching every single aspect of that area.
They can't move without us knowing exactly what's going on.
But it's deep down, and it takes a long time
to get it out, it's an amazing attack.
Had we not done that,
They would have had within one month from that date,
they would have had a nuclear weapon.
If they had a nuclear weapon,
they would have used it on Israel and the Middle East.
Look, they went after five countries
that were sort of neutral, I guess.
I don't know how friendly they were,
but they weren't in the line of attack.
They dropped on UAE, probably 1800 missiles.
They dropped on Saudi Arabia a lot
and they dropped on Qatar a lot.
They dropped on Bahrain.
I mean, they went, they went crazy.
And everyone was surprised.
Actually, it was good for us because they all joined us
immediately, you know, at some point.
I mean, they're either going to be petrified
or they're going to join.
They all joined and they've been very helpful.
All of these countries have been great and great.
And this is the key point that I was getting to.
And the reason that you feel they cannot have
a nuclear weapon because they will use it.
And that's what I wanted you to explain to the audience.
Yeah, I think they would use it.
And it started with Israel, and one weapon would do damage
like nobody's ever seen.
Wipe it out, conceivably, big one.
Now, wipe it out.
They don't need more than one.
And then they go after the Middle East,
and then they'd eventually come here.
I've had to listen to them say, death to America, right?
They say, death to America, death to Israel,
America to Satan, we will destroy America,
death to America.
Now, does anybody ever complain to you
when they say that?
I think that's a big step worse, death to America.
So they're allowed to say death to America.
And what I'm referring to is,
and when I talk about civilization,
it'll be much different because their military
will be totally gone.
It's pretty much gone now.
But their military, look at their leadership.
We have had regime change
because the people we dealt with yesterday
were frankly very smart, very sharp,
very good, very good.
I think they were smarter than the people from before, Khomeini and that group, because
look what it got them.
Look what they're all...
May Allah awaken the people and help them to see the evil doings of Israel and the United
States.
All of their antics were spending trillions of their spent...
New soundboard online.
All their money on weapons.
We've destroyed most of those weapons, but you know, when I say about a civilization,
really has changed it really has but think of it they're allowed to say death
to America death to this death and I make one statement they say oh it's a big
deal let me tell you that statement got them to the bargaining table and they
have it left they have dog you begged them to come to the bargaining table and
then you were treated because it was an insane thing to say it's so funny
It's just like this is upside-down land, you know, haven't left the bargaining table
I predict they come back and they give us everything we want and I told my people I want everything
I don't want 90% I don't want 95% I told them I want everything well and what they have no cards Maria
Maria yep, they have no cards their Navy is gone their Air Force is gone totally gone. They have nothing. They have no ships a
158 ships are at the bottom of the sea, good ones, good ones, new.
The Salabany, they had one called the Salabany, it was taken out by one of our Tiger Sharks,
by one of our rapidly moving submarines.
It's amazing, our military is so good.
Do you know our military has a 94% approval rating now?
Congress has a 14%.
The media has a 12%.
When I started, the media had a 92% approval rating, now they're down to 14%, and I'm very
proud of it because they're very dishonest.
They fired at us one day at a certain asset that we have, namely the aircraft carrier Abraham
Lincoln, one of the beauties of the world, one of the great beauties of the world.
They fired 101 missiles out of 100.
These things are going 2,000, more than 2,000 miles an hour.
And out of 101 missiles, 101 were shot down like nothing, and are now at the bottom of
the sea, the remnants of them.
Think of it, 101 missiles shot in a short period of time, all 101 were knocked out.
So we have the greatest military equipment, we have the greatest people.
We have the strongest military in the world by far, and everybody sees it, whether it's
Venezuela or what we've done with Arendt.
And when I read, you know, the fake news, talking about how well a render, they're not doing
well at all.
They're getting kicked.
I mean, clearly he's seeing stuff, right?
Because one question that I had always was like, are his handlers just like showing
him successful strikes and convincing him that the situation is fantastic?
Right?
He obviously is seeing the negative news coverage that is not even like negative
news coverage really but it's just like accurately looking at the events and
recognizing that America has not achieved any of its military objectives here.
So maybe he saw the AI Lego videos he's like fake news they're doing Lego videos
they're making me look crazy they're making me look crazy I don't like it I've
seen it everyone's talking about the Lego videos.
No, I could take out a ren in one day. I could take out in one in one hour
I could have their entire energy everything every one of their plants their electric generating plants
Which is a big deal and I hate to do it because if I do it it takes you 10 years to rebuild
They'll never be able to rebuild it and the other thing you take out of the bridges
I took out one just to show them because
They went public with a statement that wasn't true. They admitted it
I say I'm going to take out a bridge and I took out a bridge and that was the end of that. Now it they've been really behaving quite well
But in one half of a day, they wouldn't have one bridge standing
They wouldn't have one electric generating plant standing and they're back in the stone ages
I'd rather not do that, but I do believe they're going to come to the table on this because
Because nobody can be so stupid as to say that we want to have nuclear weapons and they
have no cards.
They have no cards whatsoever.
People in other countries are getting hurt.
One of the things that most amazes me though, the straightest for Japan, where they get
93% of their oil.
You know that.
Yeah.
I love that he's making it seem like he's doing them a favor like everybody else.
Bro, you fucked it. You got to fix it. Okay. You had the opportunity to fix it and you decided now. I'm gonna fuck it up further
If Japan wasn't one of the most cooked countries on the planet right now
I'm sure they would have a strong response to these kinds of statements, but
That's not the Japan
That's not the Japan that I know Japan
South Korea gets 45% of it. So these people haven't helped us. I say are you guys gonna help and
And you know we have 45,000 soldiers and 50,000 respectively at those two places 45 and 50,000 soldiers
We guard them and protect them and when we want a little help they don't help us and when we want to help from NATO they don't help us
And we paid I don't know if you saw 900 almost a trillion dollars toward NATO
Yeah why do you need help bro you're winning I don't get it
Meanwhile, there was obviously the Iranian side of this conversation, which was the exact
opposite of what the Americans were stating, took place in the conversations.
From what I understand, wait, there's another clip that I missed here.
Do you believe the price of oil and gas to be lower before the midterm elections?
Let's see what Donald Trump had to say.
So do you believe the price of oil and gas will be lower before the midterm elections?
I hope so.
I mean, I think so.
It could be.
Ooh.
Ooh.
That's not great, you know what I'm saying?
That's not, that's not fucking, I hope so.
You don't want to hear that from the president.
It could be or the same or maybe a little bit higher, but it should be around the same.
I think this won't be that much longer.
They're wiped out.
They're wiped out.
And yeah, that was a couple hours ago.
It's gone up $5 on both.
So $10 on one actually.
So this is, this is this graphic that you're looking at was a was a much nicer graphic.
So that's not the case any longer. Congratulations, Donald Trump. That was pretty cool. Plus 10
add plus 10 onto that bad boy. Okay.
You don't get that. You don't get a fair shake. You don't get, you know, we need, we need
a free and fair press in this country. And I don't even know why people would do that.
Why would they say quick update on the straight of hormones is clown girl autism. I've decided
to also blockade it. So when you talk about the status of the straight, please
say that it is blockaded by Iran, the United States of America and clown girl
autism. Thanks. Okay. You got it. Officially. I'm blockading it too. Fuck it. Why
not? We're all blockading it now. How wonderful they're doing militarily.
They're doing so well. They totally what the country's wiped out. We lost one
airplane and we captured the two
but they all said.
Yeah.
The sad part about it for the
Hassanabi has just so you understand
is that
I think since Fox News can't cover
the actual events that are taking place
because it's devastating.
I get ready for the most
evil smear campaign that they focus on, on myself, this community,
candidates that I align with, like it's probably, we're back to,
we're back to at least another week of, of Hassan Hassan,
Abid Piker coverage on, on Fox news.
I suspect, you know,
you said the other day that any country that supports Iran and sends
Military equipment to Iran will face a 50% tariff if they try to do products. Did you
Maria calm down calm down Maria. Why are you Maria's losing it bro? She is fucking losing it
She mad China. Did you mean China? Yes, and other people, but yes, China too
Okay, if we find that China because I hear news reports. So the news report doesn't mean much to me because they're so fake
But I hear news reports about China giving the shoulder missiles what's called a shoulder missile anti-aircraft missile
I doubt they would do that because I have a relationship and I think they wouldn't do that
But maybe they did a little bit at the beginning, but I don't think they would anyone know
But if we catch them doing that they get a 50% tariff which is a staggering
That's a staggering amount. You said the other
Iran has 174 million barrels of oil in floating storage. A blockade won't touch it before the
war began. Iran preloaded tankers at three times normal export rate. As of late March,
approximately 174 million barrels of Iranian oil sat in floating storage. 158 million barrels
accrued. The rest in petroleum products per maritime intelligence firm, Wynward. Over 90%
percent is bound for China, carried largely by ghostly tankers running dark.
129 tankers linked to Iranian cruder currently sailing dark when reported.
A U.S. naval blockade of Iranian ports won't intercept oil already at sea.
Here's where it's located.
At least 15 Iran flag tankers were observed by satellite near the Chubahar port on Iran's
south eastern coast as of April 6, late and with crude, according to UANI, which tracks
Iranian shipping. At least 96 Iranian oil-laden tankers have been recorded at a ghost fleet anchorage
approximately 70 kilometers off the Malaysia's coast near Johor. UANI reported where cargo
is transferred ship to ship before heading to Chinese ports. Damn bro, we're just leaking it.
You'll keep it a secret drop site. What the hell?
Dozens more are transiting the Malacca Strait and South China Sea towards China
with tracking signals off. Iran is also holding roughly 23 million barrels of crude east of the U.S.
toll line in the Gulf of Oman. A map circulating on Chinese social media according to tanker trackers.
Yeah, Morzissas says the U.S. was so anxious to defray the economic impact of the war that it
actually unsanctioned not just Russian but Iranian oil to help stabilize global markets.
Now it's apparently going to impose a blockade on that same oil which will accelerate the crisis
may even trigger an even more devastating Red Sea blockade. This won't even affect Iran in the
short term since they still have large numbers of tankers already offshore that can sell oil for
the next 40 days. But it is going to extend the blockade on all other Persian Gulf states
while annihilating every other country on earth that relied on maritime energy shipping from
the region. The whole U.S. led international order based on protecting maritime transit
is going to be a smoking crater at the end of the massively unforced error that was this
war and for what purpose exactly.
There is more on China.
China can stand as it does.
All of these efforts and the impact on China, what you've done in Venezuela, Iran, even
your comments about Cuba, where does that put China?
you approach this meeting with Xi Jinping next month? Sure. Well, in the maximum campaign,
you can't do any more maximum. We've wiped out their whole country, essentially. The only thing
left, really, is their water, which would be very devastating to hit. I would hate to do it.
But it's their water, their desalination plans, their electric generating plants,
which are very easy to hit. We can hit them. She said, what about China? And Trump just goes
back to, um, she said, what about China and Trump immediate was, well, we'll just do fucking
do the Holocaust of the Iranians, you know, we'll just keep wiping them out.
Honestly.
Okay.
Great.
Thank you.
We can have them all down.
And I mean down like you couldn't have electricity for 10 years because it takes you 10 years
to build those plants from from scratch.
You'd never probably be able to build them again.
the bridges. So that's really the only thing. We still have some more missile manufacturing
plants. We know every one of them. We will do that. We still have other things. But when
you talk about maximum, I think, you know, outside of those few things that are remaining,
I think I pretty much max that you are very, very violent and vicious.
We're just publicly planning war crimes now, buddy. We've been doing that. That's
That's a Trump one thing, and it's certainly accelerated in Trump too.
It certainly got worse in Trump too.
I mean, it's reached its apex.
It certainly reached its apex a couple days ago when Trump said, I'm just going to do
a full-blown, I'm going to do full-blown like nuclear.
I'm going to go, I'm going to kill, I'm going to destroy the Iranian civilization.
I don't want to have you against me. I'll tell you what you said.
I think we pretty much maxed out other than those, those few items that we still
have some plants left. You know, we, uh,
we had another week left to knock out the rest of the plants,
but we were knocking them out fast. As far as China is concerned,
China can send their ships to us. China can send their ships to
Venezuela. We told them a buy from Venezuela.
We have a lot of over capacity. We'd sell them and we'll probably,
I sell it for even less money. I have a very good relationship with presidency of China and we work together very well
They're paying us
Substantial money as you know, we've never got money before you know, I listened to this Gordon Chang
He has no idea what he's talking about. We have been very tough on China tough but fair. He's mad at Gordon Chang. Oh
That's awesome Gordon Chang is like the number one anti China Warhawk
a Chinese dissident guy. So that's just pretty funny. Pretty funny that he's shitting on his
own boy, you know? And, you know, it's an amazing place, but I have a very good relationship
with China. And they've been doing my, you know, I put tremendous tariffs. I put a hundred
percent tariff on all Chinese cars coming in. And that's destroying Europe. They're
destroying Europe because they're taking away so much business from Mercedes and BMW, etc.
And we don't have any Chinese costs in our country because they would have destroyed General
Motors Ford. They would have destroyed these companies if they did it. So I put a hundred
percent tariff on and an offer is to Biden. He allowed it to stay on, which is shocking
to me. One of the things is about the only thing he did good, but he allowed it today.
So we don't have the problem. Yeah. He don't got shit on China. Okay.
But the other side of the story that I wanted to, I wanted to talk about before we get to
the Pod John's conversation that took place on Friday morning that was released this morning.
And it's actually reaching a lot of liberals and their reception has been rather positive.
Iranian MP who attended Islamabad talks says America was not seeking arrangement.
Mahmoud Nabovian, Deputy Chairman of Iran's Parliamentary Security Commission and a member
the Iranian delegation in Islamabad said, the US entered the talks without genuine intent
to reach a deal and an outdeleted post on X and the Bavarian said, Washington made three
demands that Iran rejected a shared stake with the Islamic Republic and the benefits
of the Shredda Hormuz, the removal and enrich uranium from Iran and the suspension
of Iran's right to enrich uranium for 20 years.
The reality is, I think they just had no ambitions of reaching a manageable conclusion, right?
They did not have any, like they wanted to spoil the deal regardless.
This suggests that Trump once again misinterpreted the IRS willingness to negotiate a deal as a
sign of weakness.
So with the encouragement of the enraged slash humiliated foreign policy establishment
Is there a lobby? He flipped the board thinking he can scare up a better deal.
So most likely what took place, right? That's, um,
definitely what's going on here where, uh,
they begged Iran to come to the table. Iran came to the table and they were like,
how weak of them to come to the table. How stupid.
They, they must be my son, my 76 year old mom.
And I love the broadcast, Monk says hi, keep up the good work. Hell yeah.
Um, they, they were like, Oh, who would be dumb enough?
Who would be stupid enough to do a deal with us after we said we're going to,
you know, we're going to destroy you. Stupid. And then,
and then they blew it up. I do think that it was, uh, Israel.
That obviously didn't want this deal to go through at all in any way shape or form
So
Yeah, what's really good. Oh is the marriage in goes and really this unstoppable
I don't really understand how America's side it can be like this even if you manufacture percent
Trump was elected in part because people were tired of foreign interventionism yet. It seems like the bases evaporated
What's really going on is that they're burning every ounce of political capital Trump had for the benefit of Israel
hard to wrap your head around because something like this never happened this fast. And to this
degree, the polls are apocalyptic. No same political movement with any agency of its own
would ever behave this way, whether it's blackmail, bribery, threats of violence or whatever.
It couldn't be more obvious. It's like a mass sacrifice. You look at the Trump approval
trend among white non-college voters, which is the heart of the base, right? And it went from
in February 2025, plus 32, to September 2025, plus 26, to February at plus 10,
and now in April, there's a net 40-point negative swing at minus four. This is,
literally white non-college voters, is the Trump base. So one of the things that I've been
thinking about quite a bit with like some of the, some of the, the polls that are coming out,
the show like mangas 100% on board, is that I wonder if pollsters are not accurately targeting
the loss of people who self-identify as a Republican. Because some of this stuff doesn't
add up, right? When I see this, but then I also see Republicans to 85 for Trump's
overall approval, 85 for Trump's attacks on Iran. I think to myself, there's gotta be an
inconsistency here. There's gotta, like something doesn't add up. I wonder if the pollsters are
only going to like some of the more resilient Republicans and not adjusting well enough.
That poll, Harry Amden did, said MAGA identification overall has only gone down by 2%.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
I feel like maybe people, I'm not even talking about MAGA, I'm talking about Republican.
Maybe self-ideeing as a Republican has gone down, but I don't know.
It could be the case.
I think it makes sense if people who self-idea is MAGA still continue to self-idea is MAGA,
but perhaps a lot of people who self-idea is Republican are no longer self-identifying
as Republican.
Or there's just a fucking psychotic cult, right?
There's not much to analyze about base MAGA, there's just a personality cult, Trump
could call feces favorite dinner and these people would eat it for free, it's true.
A lot of people, especially on the left, put a lot of stock in seeing this man as
cipher for what Maga believed as a glimpse into its future should be revaluating things
to say the very least. This is about Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson who saw a 47 point
dip in his approvals because as Trump crushed Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson's audience
shakes. So like, this is important. This is important to identify because it kind of
corresponds to my theory, right? What I've been saying about Tucker Carlson is that
He no longer actually is the MAGA whisperer necessarily, but he actually has been able
to to generate a lot of excitement and a lot of new eyeballs from independence.
People that are non American that are not being polled and Democrats.
Those on the left, non voters.
I think that that is what Tucker Carlson is winning big in Trump's move or crash
once he's a lame duck.
The distance he's creating for himself now will pay off later.
I agree.
I think Dr. Carlson is positioning himself like this for the future, either for a future run,
where he runs for presidency, or a future where he can take the credibility that he is now established
as anti-Zionist, as anti-Israel guy, anti-war guy, and he certainly has that credibility now
for the record, and lend that credibility to whichever candidate he thinks will best advance
his base desires, white nativism and things like that. So even if he himself doesn't run for president,
he could absolutely take the credibility that he has and lend it to a JD Vance, for example.
There's a lot of delusion among MAGA about just how unpopular he is. Once they lose the House
and Senate, he has no chance of staying influential or power. It'll be over. That's what happened
with Bush. You tried to persuade Donald Trump not to go to war with Iran. You met him three
times in run-up to February the 28th and you spoke to him on the phone multiple times. Donald Trump
now says because of this action that he has taken, the US and the American people are safer.
Is he wrong? Well, of course, that's an absurd statement. He doesn't believe it. I don't
think. No, of course not. And we were told after the 12-day war in June that the United
States had eliminated Iran's nuclear program, and then we were told in February that somehow
that nuclear program had not only been resurrected, but had been paired with ICBMs.
You don't think the stink of Iraq won't follow him? Fuck no. No. If it followed him, it
would follow him currently. As I already said, he has established credibility as
anti-war voice in the country. He is one of the most prominent anti-war voices in this country right now.
I would say a lot more prominent than your boy, okay? Because at the end of the day,
mainstream media also loves people who were already in mainstream media. So Tucker Carlson has that
backing. A lot of people don't remember that far back anyway, but Tucker Carlson is
It's probably one of the most prominent anti-war, one of the most prominent critics of Israel
in this country right now that could threaten continental United States.
I mean, the whole thing is a fantasy.
The United States went to war in Iran in order to effect regime change to throw out the
people who ran the country and collapse it at the behest and then the demand of
Israel.
Remember, Democrats love crossover appeal.
Okay.
perceives crossover appeal, which Tucker Carlson may or may not have in this moment, is enough
for Democrats to not actually shit on Tucker Carlson with anywhere near the same severity
as they shit on someone like myself, right?
Like a lot of centrist Democrats both aligned with some of Tucker Carlson's ridiculous
world view, ridiculous attitudes around the economy. They seem as a major figure with
crossover appeal. He might not have that crossover appeal right now, but he probably will later
down the line when the Republicans are forced to reckon with how devastating this war was.
They shit on him for criticizing Israel, but I'm telling you, it's the Republicans that
shit on him. It's the Republicans that fucking attack him first and foremost. But overall,
I think he gets less, he gets less abuse from centrist Democrats. Like I, maybe I'm wrong,
but I don't think like, you know, Jake Tapper and Dana Bash have done extensive panels on
Tucker Carlson's anti-Semitism. They've done it for Nick Fuentes, but I don't think
have done it for for Tucker Carlson. That's a demand the Israelis have made of
the US government for decades and President Trump. What would you say who
the most prominent anti-Israel critic is? It's probably Tucker Carlson right now in
the country. I'm up there too for sure but I think it's Tucker Carlson. Felt
for it. Did it and I think he recognized immediately that it was a
mistake and that it's very hard to extricate yourself from a war like
this once it has begun. And I think the net effect and the president himself has said this
is at best.
You say Candace, but I think Candace's motion is like a little bit base-boosted by bots.
I would say it's probably Tucker Carlson. Out of like the political commentariat, I would
say took Carlson Kandis Owens myself. Yeah, I don't know who else. I mean, I guess like
Nick Fuentes too, unfortunately. I mean, notice something about the top critics of Israel?
Yeah. Mehdi Hassan as well for sure. To leave the regime in place, give that regime
control over commodities that flow through the strait?
for every, yeah, for the breaking points crew as well, for every like breaking points,
Matthew Hassan, myself, there is like eight Republicans, like there's a Dave Smith, right?
There is a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a Nick Fuentes, like,
there are a lot, what do you think Candace has boosted and not Nick? Oh, I think Nick
is boosted to. I don't think Tiger Carlson is boosted. I think Tiger Carlson has legitimate
developing nations in his audience. I think he's got the umma on his side. That's what
I think is boosting his visibility a lot.
It's at the eastern end of the Persian Gulf. In effect to make Iran much more powerful
than it was on February 27th.
Right, on that subject of being more powerful,
I mean, you will know that the president has said.
You read the Zoran rally today?
We might be a Zoran's 100-day rally,
but we still got a clock in.
Nice.
Don't let New York Post hear this.
They'll write a hit piece on me and Zoran spiritually
the Zoran rally. President has said 13% truthfulness rate. I love that. I love this, that.
Sneak-Os, another prominent critic of Israel. A lot of those like the weird like Manusphere guys
are are those I would consider to be prominent critics of Israel as well as of
me Iran will now did you watch the newsman segment on you they said you are
fundamentally evil to the core you mean newsmax would you go on the Sean Ryan
show absolutely absolutely I would never have a not an operator so I don't
know I don't know why they would have me on you know what I mean here weapon
there will be no enrichment of Iranian and we will dig up and remove all
the deeply buried nuclear dust. Pete Hexeth said, Epic Fury has decimated Iran's military
and rendered it combat ineffective for years to come. You don't believe that? They're lying?
Well, of course, it's not true. And it also reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of
a-
Why is the fucking BBC anchor defending SENTCOM? Like, at a time when the British
states position on trump is that he's awful
the british government is
weirdly just leaning into
uh... the sent com statements coming in and there's a lot of you think they're
lying
runs power on is not primarily a military power that was turned up to be
much more effective than anyone thought
a ronza an economic power
run has the power to
halt
a critical supply chain maybe the single most critical supply chain in
global economy which is shipping out of the Persian Gulf and it retains that power because
of its geography and it's always had that power. It just hasn't exercised it until now.
And so not understanding that allows you to enter into an engagement like this with the belief
that you can beat them, sink their navy, destroy their air force, degrade their missile capacity
and you will somehow won. But of course the opposite is true. There is no way out
at this point, from that fundamental reality. If the United States were to eliminate the
central government in Tehran, it wouldn't open the strait. The strait could be closed
by piracy. In fact, you need a central government in Tehran to keep the strait open. We know
that from the Houthis who were able to close the Red Sea. And years, many years of war
with the Gulf States, briefly with the United States, have not ended the Houthi's ability
to close access to the Red Sea, they have it as of right now.
So this is an asymmetrical problem, doesn't matter how many aircraft carriers you have,
you still can't prevent other people, your enemies in this case, from closing shipping
lanes.
It can be done with mines.
Like this whole thing, this whole problem is very easy to understand and you would
have to be either not very bright or under immense pressure from another country in
to start a war like this and the latter is true. We did this because of pressure from Israel. Now, how exactly did they exert that pressure?
That's not entirely clear, but we're gonna have to find out. I think we have an obligation to find out
because we can't be a sovereign country under these circumstances and we're not a sovereign country at this point.
Well, fuck, why am I agreeing with Tarkarossan? No, Tarkarossan is agreeing with you. Also,
also,
Um, the, uh, the other, the other side of the story is that he knows you'll agree with
him.
That's why he's saying this stuff.
And obviously Donald Trump would push right back on that.
And you have been until now really a huge supporter of his.
You wanted him elected obviously for a second term.
Have you completely fallen out with him over this war then?
Well, I haven't fallen out with him.
I mean, I've known him for decades.
I've always liked him and I think anyone who spent time with him likes him
I feel sorry for him as I do for all slaves. He is not free in this moment at all to do
What he thinks that's good, dude, I mean, he's just he's got fucking bars when he wants to man. It's fucked up
It's fucked up. He does have a I think he literally has like a Muslim hypnosis
Capability though. I don't know if I'm just like weak to it
But the way he cooks sometimes I'm like god damn it dude. It's fucking so annoying
That's for selfless country. What do you mean? No, he's well. He's not free and we learned that yesterday when
Donald Trump announced a ceasefire
clearly with relief
And made its terms or most of its terms public and then that ceasefire ended within two hours because
Israel intentionally violated the terms by attacking not just southern Lebanon, but the city of Beirut
So are you saying he's a slave to Benyemen Netanyahu?
So I don't think it's as simple as he's under the control of Netanyahu, but you know, you
could summarize it that way and you wouldn't be totally inaccurate.
And again, we know this because the single biggest mistake Trump wrote.
For the record, this take would have been endlessly discussed even like a year ago, right?
Is it anti-Semitic?
up with this anti-Semitism, right? What's up with this anti-Semitism? And even Jay Mershawn
is saying, how is anti-Semitism a bar? Tucker said he's a slave to Israel. And he knows
as he's saying he's a slave to Jews. Here's why this is no longer even in dispute. Maggie
Haberman made it so that people understand with her reporting on the New York Times.
And then the subsequent CBS reporting that came out that said, Benjamin Inyo called
up Donald Trump to tell him that the ceasefire was not happening and that he was gonna bomb
Lebanon.
And then, last but not least, the SNL jokesters making that exact same joke has officially
solidified that this position is now not only the majority position, but it's also
one that is appropriate to take by liberals. Because if SNL is making that joke, think
about the way SNL dealt with Israel. Think about the way that SNL dealt with Israel and
the issue of Israel. They were very rarely speaking out against it.
now strength says
many hours brought enormous moral and cultural uh... in any
in them
ignominy ignominy
down on
israel in large ways is small
it's unimaginable saturday night live would have done a joke like this until
very recently looked
there is growing confusion over whether israel being allowed to continue
bombing lebanon was part of the ceasefire with iran
Ultimately that decision comes down to the man controlling our military Benjamin Netanyahu
That's it
That's like that's a SNL joke
That means that what's his face signed off on this
Lauren Michaels signed off on this this is peak liberalism, okay, this is
Why do we watch SNL or used to watch SNL on SNL Sundays?
We used to watch it because we wanted to understand where the moral compass of liberalism was, right?
What they were laughing at, what they were looking at, what they were thinking.
Since that New York Times reporting for Maggie Haberman that I still suspect JD Vance leaked for the record.
Because it was just like such deep access.
Like someone in that fucking room straight up said everything to Maggie Haberman and my assumption is
There's two characters in that room that are
That have most to gain from presenting themselves as being against or being cautious against like
Waging war with Iran and it's Marco Rubio and his JD Vance
It is most likely JD Vance considering that JD Vance has already been sending out feelers over and over again
This also corresponds to Donald Trump sending JD vans after Iran demand JD vans go to this meeting.
But that reporting was huge, especially from the New York Times and now SNL's making jokes like
this it's fucking it's it's undeniable that Donald Trump is servile to the needs of Israel
and and is absolutely going along with whatever the fuck Benjamin Nia wants.
Now if we're going to look at why that's the case, I don't know. I genuinely don't know because
it's so far beyond a divergence at this point. It's so far beyond like Israel's ultimate goals here
with Iran are totally separate from America and it's actually harming the United States of America's
the United States of America's position around the globe that it doesn't make sense. It's no
longer, you know, financial gain. It's no longer these interests coalescing. And now it's just,
it has to be something separate. I don't know what it is.
Any American president in my lifetime has made, was going to war with Iran
in an effort to change its regime. It didn't work. It was obviously a mistake immediately.
He understood. Trump had understood it was a mistake immediately. And he tried to get out
of it this week and announced we were getting out of it and the Israelis
prevented us from getting out of it so that's the that's the clearest possible
example right I mean didn't allow it there for a charge you will know that
that that people including the vice president JD van say things that looks
these fires are always messy to start with give it a few days it'll settle
down let me move on because I want to ask you about the British Prime Minister
Sikia Stammer was criticized by the US president he said this is not Winston
Churchill we're dealing with.
Literally less cooked than Trump, which is unbelievable, because Kirstarmer is double
cooked and double stuffed.
Kirstarmer is not only cooked by Trump, but if Trump is cooked by Israel, then Kirstarmer
is cooked by both.
And in this circumstance, he actually is in a better position overall by just simply
opposing Trump.
Do you think Kirstarmer has made the right calls in this war?
i don't think your star makes any calls about anything i mean kirsten was
a little bit like that is obviously
uh... no kirsten or is every bit as enslaved as donald trump is it is
illegal is a crime for which you can be arrested in britain right now
criticizing israel you say you're for palestine action you can be arrested
a lot of people have been arrested so in other words it is not legal in britain
to criticize another country
and that tells you a group about britain sovereignty happening its prime
the minister has.
Oh, she didn't like that.
No, sorry.
That is not true.
And in terms of this war, I'm specifically asking...
I'm sorry.
What is not true about that?
Sorry.
The people not been arrested in Britain for criticizing Israel, they certainly have
been.
And there's videotape a bit.
If I may.
Palestine Action is a prescribed group.
It is banned.
Therefore, people have been arrested.
Why is it banned?
That is correct.
Why is it banned?
I'm asking you a question specifically about Kisselman's decisions he made about
the war.
But it's banned because the Israeli government wanted it banned.
And you will know that on February the 28th, if I may, on February the 28th, which was the
day the U.S. launched its action, the British Prime Minister told the country that he was
not joining with the U.S. because he thought it was illegal and that there was no viable
plan.
So clearly he made a sovereign decision, which he said was in the interest of the
country.
And I'm asking you, do you think he made the right call there?
Any government that bans criticism of a foreign government is not sovereign.
British government is banned criticism of Israel therefore it's not sovereign
it's acting on behalf of another country to the detriment of its own citizens so
let's just be really clear about that British government has not banned criticism of the
Israeli government it certainly has by banning Palestine action which has
nothing to do with Britain at all or it's
God damn it dude I just it's un-fucking bearable seeing this guy hit bar for bar the
shit that I will be saying in this situation and I don't even know
what is like guiding, I mean I have an idea of what his guiding principles are, including
but not limited to potentially anti-semitic opinions, but it doesn't even fuck a matter
at this point because he's saying all of the right words in the largest platforms possible
and presenting himself in a contentious manner to those who are simply oblivious
to the reality that's unfolding.
oblivious to how large majorities of the public in the Western world see the
situation. He is now the voice of reason, the worst guy to put as the voice of reason, by
the way, because he has a million other perspectives that are unbelievably damaging and also outright
hypocritical, especially in comparison to his assessment on Israel, because he'll
fucking turn around and talk about Israel like this, right? But he also has the exact
same ambitions in America. He wants to turn America into an Israel-style ethno-state where
he has control over the demographic makeup.
So none of the liberals are capable of addressing that hypocrisy, because on the
one hand, there are two predisposed with, like, defending business's usual politics,
And that requires them to, in a certain way, be oblivious to the actions of the government
against critics of Israel.
There's also obviously the classic tendency to make it seem as though America and even
Israel to a certain degree as state actors are not behaving in a manner that is inconsistent
with international law, they have to normalize it. There's always this level of sane washing,
okay? You saying he's anti-Semitic is the same thing media's been doing to you. You would
think you'd be more careful throwing that around. We have to stop commenting, it was
zero evidence exactly how easy anti-Semitic. I mean, it's because of what forces he has
aligned himself with in the past. That, to me, is impossible not to reckon with,
Like, Tucker Carlson is the most palatable version, he'll never say it's the Jews, right?
He'll never step on their landmines, he's got 30 plus years of experience in mainstream
news, not to touch that, right?
But as far as, like, his worldview goes, I mean, it's virtually identical to all of
these other fucking monsters.
Now what's really funny about this, and Tucker does do this every now and then, and Nick Fuentes
has done this as well personally when he's been on Piers Morgan, is that there is a major
hypocrisy line that they can hit.
Like, for example, if someone were to turn around and tell Tucker Carlson, well, I think
you're anti-Semitic because you gave a platform to Nick Fuentes.
Nick Fuentes is a Holocaust denier.
Nick Fuentes is a neo-Nazi.
Carlson just as easily turn around and say, Oh, really? Well, that's interesting because
you give a platform to people denying the current Holocaust on a daily basis, right?
You give a platform to people who are pro-Israel. You give a platform to people who are currently
denying the actual active genocide that's taking place. So as far as like my personal
beliefs or my personal disagreements with Nick Fuentes aside, I talk to everybody,
right? He can turn around and literally say something like, Oh, well, I talked
to Mike Huckabee. Mike Huckabee is a far more repulsive figure. Mike Huckabee is a far
more repulsive figure than Nick Fuentes. Mike Huckabee wants to do the Greater Israel Project.
What's going on? Right? I'll talk to Randy Fine. Randy Fine is a far worse person than
Nick Fuentes is, right? Like he could say something like that, you know? And basically cook whoever is
advancing this narrative. Because there's truth to it. It is inconsistent.
it. The reality of the matter is, Nick Fuentes is a monster, right, for a million different
reasons. On top of that, he's anti-Semitic. His anti-Israel critique comes from a place
of jealousy, almost, where he's like, I'm a fascist. I want to do what Israel is doing,
but here in the United States of America for white people, white Christians specifically.
But there is virtually no difference between Nick Fuentes and Randy Fein.
And as a matter of fact, Nick Fuentes is anti-Semitic.
Randy Fein is pro-Israel.
Their worldview is almost entirely aligned, okay?
Almost entirely aligned.
Except Randy Fein is also pro-Israel, pro-Israel genocide and unbelievably Islamophobic,
which Nick Fuentes is as well, right?
So they literally have the same exact world view, the same exact opinions, except Nick
Fuentes is anti-Israel, Randy Fine is fucking pro-Israel.
So from the average person's perspective, you make Nick Fuentes marginally better than Randy
Fine in that equation.
The average person doesn't look at Randy Fine and go, oh, that's a normal guy.
That's a normal congressperson.
I like what he has to say.
know. They think, holy shit, this guy's fucking insane. We are giving right wing forces a tremendous
amount of a tremendous amount of leeway as well. What is this? Maybe he changed people
can change, you know, okay, dude, W Tucker, maybe he's not a monster as you always present
them. I don't know if Tucker Carlson has sincerely had an attitude change on the children that
have been slaughtered in Gaza. That could very well be real, okay? But this attitude in this
community is exactly what is so dangerous because it's hard for me to fucking trust
Tucker Carlson is going to require a lot more for me to turn around and be like, oh, maybe
he's changed his attitude in general. Because like, what a lot of people, what a lot of people
are, are failing to factor in to this equation is like all the other shit that Tucker Carlson
believes. Yes, on the issue of Israel, I will admit, I don't know if it's coming from
place of anti-Semitism and mistrust for Jews, whatever, or if it's a sincerely held belief
due to what he has seen in Gaza, or the third position, which is both of those things, right?
Could very well be any of those three options. Okay? Changed on what? Now he believes in
health care no no no no i'm talking about just israel man calm down
indeed that's the broader point that i'm trying to make which is that
when it comes down to it
his the rest of his world view is repulsive
is is heinous
he wants to do
what israel is doing that is criticizing israel uh... it
he wants to do that in america
he wants to turn america into an israel style country
a white demographic majority ethno state
that is clear that's what his primary purpose has been
for a decade now
the reason why i still say
yeah and this this is also another reason why i don't trust him either he was
in that room
uh... this is right after the venezuela operation
i can't believe how hard talkers clappings for tromba after kidnapping
Maduro at his White House meeting with all the executives about how they're gonna pillage Venezuela.
Yeah, that wasn't that long ago, man.
I need every Tucker defender in this chat to know this why minorities don't trust Western
leftist demorons will call a white nationalist base on being around the right side of the
easiest you should criticize a game credit yes.
My anger and my resentment also revolves around how easy it is to win favors, not necessarily
because like the audience is stupid, even though there is a little bit of that in it
too, but it's because the media environment is designed in such a way where there's
such a fucking massive vacuum with previously establishment media figures or currently establishment
media figures, the political class, none of them are speaking on this issue with
the same conviction that Tucker Carlson is, okay? It is their fault and their failure
that people are far more receptive to assuming that Tucker Carlson has demonstrated real change
about his worldview. I'm not even saying that for the record, okay? I'm not saying that
at all. I'm not saying that Tucker Carlson has had a complete attitude shift. That's
That's why I still say, given his past performance, nothing that he has said thus far, and has
even implied is what guides me into believing that there is, you know, anti-Semitic opinions
in Tucker Carlson's mind.
That comes from not his own personal statements about Jews.
He's never, he doesn't make those statements by design.
He will never make those statements until it's like totally permissible to do so.
He's a fucking media demon.
Okay?
This comes from his years and years long advocacy for white supremacist values.
He has cribbed and straight up repeated a metric ton of white nationalist sentiment coming
from, open about neo-Nazis and white supremacists, and therefore anti-Somites as well.
Critical interest at all. I often criticize Britain, but I love Britain. As I said, I have
family there. And I don't think that Britons understand just how badly they've been shafted
by the United States. And I am ashamed of that, and I hope that we will do everything
we can to rectify it. I know that Kirstarmer understands that. He doesn't seem to
The Kerry doesn't have, again, the control to do anything about it, which is sad to see.
The debasement of the country is sad for me to see.
But I think I hope that our next president strikes a far more conciliatory and cooperative
tone with Britain and tries to help Britain because it has a lot of problems that will
be very obvious by the next time there's a presidential election in my country.
You have said that you have been called anti-Semitic because of your opposition
to the u.s. joining israel in fighting this war yes in march senior republican senator
ted cruz said anti-semitism is being spread by loud voices the most consequential of whom
is tucker carlson at republican congressman randy fein called you the most dangerous anti-semitism
yeah okay see that's what i mean that's what i mean randy motherfucking five saint tucker
cross is anti-semitism doesn't mean shit yesterday tucker cross released an interview
which featured an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory about the Rothschilds. This week, Carlson flanked
Trump, JD Vanson, Mike Johnson at the RNC. He remains one of the most influential voices in
the conservative movement. Yeah. It's like shit like this over the last decade or so that
lead me to believe that, yes, he will never personally say anti-Semitic shit, right?
Anti-Semitism, like direct anti-Semitism in the way that rank anti-Semitism
In the way that you hear from the likes of Nick Fuentes, you will never hear from Tucker
Carlson until, until it is totally permissible to say that stuff, okay?
He's had numerous holocaust deniers on his show and has not contested their position,
right?
Like, that's, that's all, I mean, he does this shit all the time.
He's just a talented fascist, a room reader who believes in little to nothing just like
every other talent fascist.
Yes, he is the most dangerous propagandist, okay?
He is the most dangerous propagandist.
He straight up mainstreamed the Great Replacement Theory.
The Great Replacement Theory is now a key fixture in mainstream Republican politics, okay?
Tucker Carlson did that every single night on Fox News.
Tucker Carlson played a major role in that because he platformed it every single night
on Fox News when he was the most popular broadcast in the country, the most popular
Newsbark as the country is terrifying.
Is it saying how easy it is for him to have moral high ground when pressed by a BBC reporter?
Exactly.
Yeah, exactly
Because this is
the one issue
That so many fucking liberals refuse to have conviction on
We think is the easiest one to speak out on which is true
But there are I guess significant setbacks and mainstream outlets
that that
Stop them from doing so and therefore guys like Tucker Carlson look
Incredibly convincing right in America. What do you say to that?
Of course, I'm not an anti-Semite and that's why they're calling me one because my position on Israel has nothing to do with the
Religion or ethnicity of Israelis that has everything to do with decisions made by its government that hurt my country and
So in order to avoid having that debate the fastest and most expedient way to end it is by calling
the person trying to raise it, a bigot. And I just don't think that works anymore.
What matters in politics and in life is what you do. I think anti-Semitism and racism of all
kinds, including anti-weight racism, are all immoral and anti-Christian and I oppose them.
You shouldn't judge people on the basis of how they were born, period.
Sure. And you said a moment ago, what matters in politics is what you do.
You had far-right commentator Nick Fuentes on your show who, as you know,
said Hitler was really effing cool. Hitler was awesome. Hitler was right. The Holocaust didn't happen
and said on his podcast in his view Jewish people are the problem rather than Israel.
I know you've said you've had him on because I disagree with that. Right. Do you have concerns
that broadcasting Nazi-loving Holocaust denying guest your audience and potentially mainstreaming
and normalizing those views is an issue?
Look, I've said that I disagreed with Fuentes on those questions.
I don't think that you should ever judge or attack people on the basis of their bloodline.
I also interviewed Ted Cruz. I tried to interview Randy Fuentes.
I told you, he's not even fucking entirely incorrect with that statement.
The question here is not, the question here is not like, oh, how dare he fucking retort
here.
The question is, how do we arrive at a position where Tucker Carlson can shelter his like
heinous worldview
and is
going on contested pretty much
and the only contest coming from bbc
actually makes him look like the normal person
fine both of them have but let me let me go back to the end of the day if i can
if i make an expulsion
i've interviewed both of them are tried to interview fine he wouldn't but i've
interviewed ten cruises you noted
and both them have defended
the genocide in Gaza, the murder of children,
and I would say that sending money to a military
that murders children is a little bit more
significant a moral crime than saying ugly things.
Do you think it went as his anti-Semitic?
Do you think he is?
It sounded like it to me.
I said that to him and I said,
I oppose anti-Semitism, which I sincerely do.
And by the way, unlike the UK, we have a first amendment.
So if I was an anti-Semitism,
I guess I would just say so at this point.
I don't know why I would lie about it, but I oppose it.
And I've opposed it in public consistently
for my entire public life.
Can I ask you what you thought when you read
Donald Trump's post on Tuesday in which he said.
Like, that's it, that's your,
the way to cut across Tucker Carlson's commentary
is not by being like,
Oh, you talked to Nick Fuentes.
The way to expose the contradictions in Tucker Carlson's worldview is by saying, you don't
like Israel, you think Israel's doing a genocide, that's fine, I agree with that.
But some of the ethnic majority policies that you are railing against in Israel are identical
to the policies that you want to advance in the United States of America.
What do you have to say to your critics that complain that you are simply using this issue,
this salient issue as a way to win favors with the broad majority of people, and then
simultaneously try to get them to arrive at your conclusions on America's demographic
concerns?
That's a question that you can only ask Tucker Carlson, though, if you also agree
with the fucking universally acknowledged truth
that israel is an apartheid state that is currently doing a fucking genocide
but considering that a lot of these racist-ass liberals
in mainstream outlets don't say that or can't say that i don't know which it
is at this point
you will never be able to address
You will never be able to cut away at
Tiger Carlson's world view. You will never be able to undermine
his perspective.
A whole civilization will die tonight.
Has he ever actually advocated for specific policies? All our members do a lot of racial grievance and
anti-white racism stuff on Fox.
but he always left solutions implied now stated yes bro what do you talk about
he's literally said every immigrant that's in this country is a rapist
parasitic force
that's destroying the beauty of western civilization
yes that's all he talks about and that's all he used to talk about now he
at least as
you know israel the talk about
target carlson has been the number one favorite fan favorite of
every single neo-nazi and clansmen in this country
for a decade now and the reason for why
is because he, as they correctly point out, correctly understand, takes these otherwise
not-so-palatable positions that many people hear and go,
ooh, gross, that's a little bit too race for me. And he makes them palatable.
Yeah. He'll say things like, how exactly is diversity our strength?
You wouldn't want your family to not be able to communicate with one another. So why do you want your military?
Like that's that's the type of that's a direct quote. I know I have so many in the bag of my mind, okay?
Yeah, white genocide is real since talk across with the white nationalist Peter Bramlow
Who says the only real Americans are whites and Tucker agrees JD Vance's close friend Tucker is a white nationalist
Okay, this is from January. This is from January 21st, 2026.
The defining fact of our lives is that whites around the world are being eliminated, and I would like to know why.
The people running the society are anti-white, and they've been able to persuade or intimidate the entire legal system to operate in the anti-white world.
Anti-whites in this case with me is anti-American, because whites are Americans.
People who sign the Declaration of Independence, that's who Americans are.
Wait, what? You said you asked him that? Tucker literally told me to my face how much he's changed, and the whole exchange led me feeling slimy.
He would lie and say he changed his mind about how race is used. He told me he believes race is used to divide the country to keep people from talking about class and wealth inequality.
Well, here we are, watching Tucker Carlson only a couple months ago, interviewing a fucking white nationalist, and openly telling him that, no, racial grievances are primary.
I legal system.
Yeah chatter is the chatter didn't fall for it.
Okay.
He's saying it made him feel slimy because he was like very clearly lying to him.
Which is why he shouldn't be trusted at all.
I'm saying right now how lying is OP.
Yeah chatter challenged him.
Talk away from the hunty one.
What you watch in this case with me is anti-American. It was the white armor people signed a declaration of independence. That's who Americans are
He doesn't he will always lean back into legacy Americans for example
Yeah, right wing anti-zionists are understandably intent on dismantling Christian Zionism a core obstacle to their views moving mainstream in MAGA
But rather than developing real solidarity with Palestinians a lot easier for them to resort to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories
Rich's new song by the way is at the top of the iTunes country music charts number two overall
Doug Maddox support for Israel remains dominant on the right dissenting views are hardly fringe
and I suspect these contradictions will continue to sharpen as isolationism moves
more mainstream this was back in 2024 July 17th and it certainly has two years after Ben Lorber
clocked it. Do you understand? This is also part of the reason why this is also part of
the reason why Tucker Carlson will never have a conversation with someone like myself.
Because I'm very familiar with his background. I'm very familiar with the dangers of his worldview
and I actually oppose it, even if we aesthetically agree or maybe even totally agree on the issue
of Israel, right? There are so many other positions of Tucker Carlson that people who
Normally care about Palestinians would find to be horrifying. Okay
Does he even know you there's not a single person in
The American political right wing flank especially that doesn't know who the fuck I am at this point
horrified by it. And I was, look, as I've said, I don't think that Trump, who I continue to like,
I don't think that Trump is in control. I don't think Trump is making these decisions. I know
he's not, because I was present in the run-up to this. He's not making these decisions, and I
feel sorry for him, as I've said. But more than Trump, anything to do with him or his future,
is the effect on my country. Our leaders should not talk like that. They shouldn't. Our
Our conflict is not with another civilization or another religion.
It's with governments, at least conceptually, that do things that we don't like that are
bad for us, and we have conflict over that.
We can never declare war on a civilization we shouldn't.
That's immoral.
What does that even mean?
Does that include the children in that civilization?
Of course it does.
Oh, yeah.
All that masculinity, all that gender-neutral masculinity, things can get out of hand.
So in the spirit of easing tensions and lowering the temperature at sea none of it, we have
no problem admitting for the record that Mr. Piker is one heaping, helping, hunk of a man.
We're not ashamed to say that at all.
We have no problem admitting that.
No problem whatsoever.
That's a meme, but the real coverage that he did on me was the America Deserter 911
comments.
He ripped into me pretty hard back then.
And even if he doesn't remember that, which is perfectly fine, because it was a long time
ago and I was nowhere near the prominent media figure I am now, you know, he's definitely
familiar with what I do.
You don't buy the argument, look, this is what Donald Trump does, I mean, you've known
it for years.
This is what Donald Trump does.
He uses extreme language to put pressure on to get some sort of concession.
I mean there are two levels in which to assess this, one the practical, second the moral.
As a practical matter, did it work?
Is the straight open this morning?
No, it's not.
So it didn't work, okay?
Its only effect likely is to engender a generational conflict with another civilization, another
religion, another part of the world.
How is that good for my grandchildren?
Probably not.
So practically it doesn't work.
Morally the words you use matter and the more power you have the more they matter
And so to declare war on a civilization in my name is just not acceptable. It doesn't mean I hate Trump
It means that's disgusting and wrong and hurts my country and my obligation is to stand up and say so
You've claimed a couple of times in our conversation that Donald Trump is not in control
Many Democrats and also some on the right former Trump allies like Marjorie Taylor Greene
and now calling for the president's removal with some citing the 25th Amendment which allows the
vice president and the cabinet to declare that a president is no longer able to do the job.
Do you want to see him removed? I want to see the system reformed. Once again,
two days ago the president, I mean him, him, the president before him, the president before him,
him the president before him. This is also bullshit. Here's the difference between me,
someone who's fucking honest, and someone like Todd Crossley who's a little bit of a grifter.
I'm not going to sit there and tell you that Israel's the reason why America went to war
with Iraq, because that's not the case. Was Israel a component in the decision making?
Absolutely. That much is clear. We know that for a fact, because Benjamin Netanyahu
who spoke very publicly in front of Congress
about how wonderful it would be if America invaded Iraq.
The other honest assessment here
is that there was one president who told Israel no.
There were two presidents that told Israel no
as a matter of fact at different times.
One was Barack Hussein Obama with the JCPOA
and the other was actually Joe Biden
the first time in 2021 before October 7, where he called Benjamin and the out called Israel
and told him to cut it out. Israel subsequently after that call, cut it the fuck out. They
were doing another mowing of the lawn operation and they stopped it. Now, of course, post
October 7, Joe Biden and his deteriorating mental faculties. You mean Iran, you said
Iraq? No, Israel with Iraq is different than Israel with Iran. We can make honest assessments
here. Didn't Clinton also tell Israel who's the superpower here? Yeah, that doesn't mean
anything. Third cross also clocked Israel's blackmail operations with, uh, and leaned
into the Monica Lewinsky scandal, which there is decent evidence that Israel may or may not
have played a role in at least showing the American side that they had knowledge over
the Monica Lewinsky scandal before it was unearthed.
George W. Bush refused to allow Israel to attack in 2007.
Yes, George W. Bush also pushed for elections in Palestine against Israel's wishes.
Before Donald Trump actually wore, you know, they were super pro Israel at the end of the day. I mean, so was Barack Obama
Barack Obama did the MOU
3.8 billion dollars
Annually for the next 10 years after right he was done and he was out of office and that was a concession
They traded so that he was able to get the JCPOA, which is a ridiculous statement in and of itself
right
But what a ridiculous situation that we have to give concessions to a random third party when we're engaging in a multilateral commitment with a foreign adversary of our own that's fucking bullshit.
Yeah, if Israel told us not to invade Iraq, we would have told them to fuck off. That's not the case for Iran. Yes
Great take
Great fucking take
We invaded Iran we bombed Iran because Israel wanted us to do so we have not been able to get out of this quagmire
Because Israel doesn't want us to get out of it.
It's that simple.
Very different dynamic at this point on Trump too.
Very different dynamic in Trump to Murat.
Barma.
Very different dynamic in Trump too, as opposed to any other former president.
Many former presidents have been urged to bomb Iran, invade Iran.
They've said no.
Not just my assessment.
John Kerry also said it.
All American presidents since 1963 have done
Substantially what Israel wanted us to do and now it's really hurting us
And I've been aware of this for decades and I haven't said one word about it because it's not worth the fight
But now I see our country its economy its understanding of itself
In the process of being destroyed because our leaders and not just our president our entire Congress many of our governors
Did the bidding of a foreign power?
And so the problem is not simply Trump.
The problem is the mechanism of control that allows a country of 9 million to control a
country of 350 million.
What is that mechanism?
I'm not sure I know the answer.
We need to find out what that is.
Well, as you know, as Commander-in-Chief, he could have said no to Benjamin Netanyahu.
Other presidents have.
Joe Biden, Barack Obama.
You're absolutely right.
And I made that point.
And you're absolutely right they did.
And I wish our president had.
But he didn't.
He didn't make that point. He made the opposite point, by the way.
He made the opposite point. He said none of the previous presidents have actually said no to Israel, either.
And I'm trying to figure out why.
And then she turned around and tried to say, Barack Obama couldn't even get her to...
It couldn't even mouth the words Barack Obama correctly.
But said Joe Biden has said no to Israel, which is true. Both of those are true.
There's only one president that has always given everything to everything Israel wanted
unconditionally.
Many presidents have given Israel a lot more than Israel deserves.
So much more.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden included, right?
Especially Joe Biden, post-October 7.
Donald Trump was the only president that is like rarely ever limited Israel's ambitions.
The only time Donald Trump ever did was at the end of the 12-day war.
Or, well it is the system because the last president financed the Gaza genocide.
The president before him, same thing.
You've said a couple of times in this interview that you really like Donald Trump in March.
You said you'll always love President Trump no matter what he says about you.
On Thursday he called you low IQ, a nut job, a fool.
Also, he suggested you should see a good psychiatrist.
Are you going to continue to love him?
As I've said, I feel sorry for him as I do for all slaves.
But I will always like him.
I will say Trump is one of the funniest people I've ever met.
I feel sorry for him.
I think he has some great qualities.
I've certainly spent a lot of time with him and I will always like him.
If he called me now, I'd take the call.
I don't want anything from him.
Well, he says you're always calling him and he doesn't pick up anymore.
Yeah, no, I think that's not true.
You can check my phone records, but I'm sure NSA already is.
I'm not defensive about it.
What do the splits in the MAGA movement that we see now, former Trump allies, like yourself,
on the front foot criticizing the President's the action he's taken, what do they mean for
the future of MAGA?
I think MAGA as a movement was never clearly defined, probably for a reason.
There was no real platform in the Republican convention in 2024.
That was, of course, by design.
And so I think the movement is whatever Donald Trump says it is.
I think that's the definition.
I don't know another.
He turns 80 in June.
So this is not a movement that's going to persist through the generations I wouldn't
think since it's based on one man.
that the idea that the U.S. government should act in its interest of its own population
or that any government should act in the interest of its own population is a kind of core tenet
of democracy. In fact, that's the definition of democracy, the people rule.
And I'm curious, what would you need to see from Tucker Carlson to convince you that
his views have genuinely shifted for him to openly come out and say that the ethno-nationalist,
the racial superior, like white nativist anti immigrant agenda that he advanced for
the last decade or so was actually very damaging and he was wrong to do it.
And that, you know, the tens of thousands of hours of commentary that he pushed in that
direction was wrong and should never be brought up and that he will spend every waking moment
going forward criticizing who he was and who still carry the torch of that same white nationalist,
white supremacist attitude.
As I've showed you, even all the way back in like January of this year, he's still advancing
the same fucking bullshit, right?
And I think that will long outlive all of us, I hope, because it's the only form of government
that makes inherent sense.
I wanted to ask you about the Melania Trump press conference, very unusual, where she
denied connections to Jeffrey Epstein and said that any claims linking her and him need
to end today. What do you think is going on there?
Strictly speaking, I don't know what's going on there. I know the White House communication
staff had no idea she was going to say that, so it's one of two possibilities. Either
she was reading speculation about her relationship with Epstein on the internet and she was upset
and wanted to clear her name, which is totally possible, or there was something else
going on. So the Israeli government has a long and well-documented track record of using sex
scandal or the appearance of scandal to force American political leaders into doing its bidding.
You hope it wasn't that, but I did notice that within an hour or two after that press conference,
a piece came out, I think, in The Daily Beast alleging some connection between Melania Trump
and Epstein, which was obviously hurtful to her and embarrassing to the first family.
So I don't know if there's any kind of connection, but I do know once again,
There's a fact that sex scandals are used probably not just by the Israeli government probably lots of foreign governments
It's not just the Israelis. I just want to be clear. I mean, I am gonna point out
I probably don't need to because our audience will can see and hear for themselves
Pretty much everything that you've said in our conversation Tucker Carlson
You you have put at the door of the Israeli government now to some people that will be evidence that you are anti-Semitic
You are anti-Jewish. Oh, I know I'm very anti-Semitic and managed. Well, first of all the state of Israel does not speak for all Jews
At all just by this claims it does not there are many many dude. This argument is is
Liberals man fucking liberals, dude
This isn't like the
They literally think that this is a bar. They think like oh, well your anti-semitic is real estate your anti-semitic
Who's next Adolf Hitler like what who gives a fuck dude? What are you talking about Adolf Hitler said you're anti-Aryan?
The fuck are you saying?
What the fuck are you saying Randy Fine said you're anti-semitic Randy Fine is a somehow an even bigger villain than Tucker Carlson, man
At the end of the day. He's a propaganda. He's a dangerous one
Randy Fine believes every single thing that Tucker Carlson believes and then on top of that Randy Fine is pro-israel and pro-genocide
Okay
So Tucker Carlson is better than Randy Fine objectively because they literally believe every single thing
Okay, they believe the identical shit
Except Tucker Carlson is anti-Israel Randy Fine is pro-Israel which makes him worse
That's what's so unbelievable about the the modern Republican Party
So when liberals
When liberal yeah, it's when liberals turn around and try to do this shit. It's like they don't realize
They do not realize
That they're not actually hitting a line that they think they're hitting maybe 10 years ago
this would have been very significant right in 2026 this doesn't mean anything yeah Bin
Laden says you're Islamophobic is like oh shit dude what am I gonna do yeah Abu Bakr
al-Baghdadi said you're Islamophobic for criticism of ISIS. Oh, no. Like, the fuck am I supposed
to do? Okay, fine.
Jews many of whom I know who don't think the Israeli government of Benjamin Netanyahu speaks for them
What I was suggesting was that a lot of good business longer than you and I understand what a slur looks like and you're attempting to call me an
Anti-Semite in a passive-aggressive way some people would say that well
I'm responding to your slur and saying that it's untrue. It does not apply to me. Dallas there anti-semites. You don't like Israel
I'm not an anti-Semite. I don't hate Israel. The Israeli government, this is documented, and I saw it personally,
Steered the United States into a war that hurts the United States and the world. I'm offended by that.
I didn't want it, and I'm mad about it now. I have every right to feel that way.
That does not make me an anti-Semite despite your insinuation.
And I think it's important that I say that, and by the way, I hope that you run this.
I can't control whether or not you air this exchange. I hope that you will
because I think it's important to push back against slurs like that, because they limit our ability to understand what's actually happening.
This is not an attack by Jews on the United States. This is Benjamin Netanyahu moving the United States to do something he thinks will benefit him, but that does not benefit us.
It's that simple.
Tucker Carlson, thank you very much for talking to us.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
Is it accurate to say being called an anti-Semite is a slur in an example of the person not exhibiting anti-Semitic behavior?
I mean, it's a smear. I don't think it's a slur. It's a heinous smear. And every single day that people deploy it, ironically enough, every single day that people deploy it as a heinous smear,
becomes less of a heinous smear. What I mean by that is you've softened the impact of this
sentiment when less people care about anti-Semitism and less people care about anti-Semitism because
you keep deploying it against people who are critical of Israel. Oops, she bit off more
than she could chew. I feel sorry for her as I do all slaves. Incredible brutal truth.
Victoria Derbyshire is so frightened of criticizing Israel that she cooked Randy fine to make her point
I love how Tucker doesn't a lot petty attacks live without a rebuttal. Yeah, everybody fucking loves him
He I mean he cooked her he looked good. He looked great in this video
Okay
What is this good luck to Shapiro shaming America's of like in this war for Israel
should appear people need to touch grass go talk to people that you go to church
with and what you'll find out is most of those people agree with the president
actually when you touch grass bench group suggests you will find the only
36-minute voters approved the war in Iran and that the majority of the
country doesn't he has a plan or doesn't think he has a plan or is
explain why we're at war? All right, Jeremy Benamy wrote this long effort post about
fucking J Street. He's a president of J Street. We're going to look at this. I'll, I'll take
a look at Adam Johnson's commentary and then I'll move on to the pod Johns. Okay. Jeremy
Ben and me, a bipartisan consensus is emerging to end unconstitutional taxpayer societies
for Israel's military and enforced US laws on the use of American weapons in January this
year.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told the economists, I want to taper off military
aid within the next 10 years, as if he meant reducing it to zero. He replied, yes, we've
come of age and we've developed incredible capacities. Bullshit.
Within hours of Netanyahu's interview, Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina,
one of Israel's staunch, Republican allies in the Senate tweeted that he would
propose accelerating that timeline. I will always appreciate allies who are willing
to be more self-sufficient, he wrote.
Given what the Prime Minister said, we need not wait 10 years, but Nenyea and Graham pointed
to the same underlying reality.
Israel today has one of the most dynamic and advanced economies in the world.
With a per capita GDP higher than countries like the United Kingdom, France, and Japan,
Israel is more than capable of paying for its own defense, just as America's other
wealthy allies already do.
Yet the United States provides Israel with $3.3 billion annually in foreign military
financing.
More than half of all such funding, the US distributes globally on top of an
additional $500 million a year for joint missile defense systems and other
occasional significant supplemental appropriations. That reality raises a
straightforward question. Why should American taxpayers continue to subsidize
defense budget of a prosperous ally, particularly at a time when the US faces
almost significant fiscal pressures? Any hour Graham are not alone in this view
for years. Analysts and policymakers across the political spectrum have been
arguing that Israel no longer needs generous economic subsidies across the
political spectrum or growing views emerging. The US-Israel relationship
should be normalized. Supporters of Israel, many raised on the vision that the Jewish
people just want Israel to be treated like all other countries, should welcome the development.
The benefits of disproportionately large financial assistance today are outweighed by the damage
to Israel when that financial support becomes divisive wedge in American politics. To be
clear, a call to end American financial subsidies for Israel's defense is not
a call to end the U.S.-Israel security relationship. See, this is what I mean.
I am calling for that. I'm calling not only for that. I'm calling to punish
Israel as well and many Americans should also be calling for that and now that the the bottom
has been established as uh as as no defensive or offensive weapons to israel
if i'm the money
what's up mom you're calling me
hello
okay she's like right next to right next to my door she's calling me on accident okay
Israel faces significant threats and security challenges from Iran terror groups and more the United States students sport Israel and confronting those threats
No wrong apps of fucking Lutely not
apps of fucking Lutely not because what Israel perceives as security threat is
countries fucking existing
Okay, Israel creates
Natural resistance because Israel destroys all of the countries that it militarily invades
in and around this region that it occupies. Okay? This is before we even get to the
inception of the Israeli state. This is why I say I oppose Jay Street, okay? Because
this is still at the end of the day a comfortable landing pad for Americans who
are questioning our loyalty and questioning our relationship with Israel,
but still want some kind of continuation of this relationship. No
No more, I say. No more relationship with Israel until Israel is no longer the Israel that we know, until Israel is no longer the Israel that has done a genocide, until Israel is no longer the Israel that is committing an apartheid.
Okay? That's my argument.
security assistance does not have to and should no longer take the form of
unconditional financial subsidy arms sales paid for by israel and governed by
u.s law should continue in accordance
with all relevant statutes including the lihi law okay this would mean
israel gets no arms okay i know he doesn't mean that but that is
literally the case if you were to do any arms sales that israel is paying
for in accordance with u.s laws israel would not be allowed to get
a single fucking piece of arms uh ever again from the united states of
America. Right? The U.S. should continue to sell Israel important and jointly develop
air defense system like Iron Dome, David Sling and Arrow. Wrong. Wrong. No arms sales whatsoever.
Even defensive weapons because Israel is violating international humanitarian laws. Israel is
committing war crimes. Israel has done a genocide. Israel doesn't get anything. Okay? Not
single fucking bullet goes to Israel. And it's not, that's not the only thing that I'm demanding.
I'm also demanding punishments for Israel. Okay, boycotts, divestments, sanctions on the
state of Israel until it no longer is enforcing a blockade on Gaza. It no longer occupies 50
plus percent of Gaza, which it currently occupies in the aftermath of the genocide.
that Israel doesn't get to militarily annex or occupy the West Bank, which is illegal,
Israel either destroys its settlements or creates a singular, solitary, secular state where everyone
has equal rights and representation, that Israel allows a right to return to all Palestinians so
they can go back to their ancestral homelands, and Israel also pays reparations to all the
Palestinians it has wronged it has harmed it has destroyed the lives of and killed okay?
That's the only way to fix this problem. You can't just not fix the fucking problem and then be like
Oh, they'll just pay for the weapons get the fuck out of here. That's bullshit. Okay? I
Cannot emphasize enough how important missile defense systems such as iron dome are to these really people. Oh, no. Oh, is it? Oh
Oh shit, dude, is really important. Okay. I cannot emphasize enough how important it
is that, that, you know, Israel take over Southern Lebanon. It's a living space, right?
No, too bad. You know, not on our dime, not another dime, not with our support over the
past few weeks and years, these systems have saved the lives of countless civilians
technology underlying them was developed jointly by Israel and the United States
and the manufacturer of the interceptors and launchers governed by bilateral agreements.
The United States should continue to supply what Israel needs. This is literally still demanding
defense weapons to Israel, by the way, because that's what Tamir interceptors are. It's the
Iron Dome, the Arrow, David's Sling. Those are defensive weapons, right? Which we currently
pay for is that Israel receives for free, okay? Just so you understand.
This approach aligns with the center of gravity in American Jewish opinion reflecting the emotional
attachment to the 70s. I fucking what is this emotional blackmail? Oh dude, sorry. That's my
emotional apartheid state doing a genocide. Oh shit, all brother. This is the problem with
liberal Zionism. You understand? This is the issue I take with liberal Zionism. And this is
lowkey why I say it's still fascist there's just a liberal varnish a liberal patina on top of it
okay that's my emotional comfort apartheid state is a ridiculous fucking argument to make
okay 70 percent of jewish americans feel for israel some days the opposition of 70 percent
to unconditional american military and financial assistance congress should retain exercise and
expand its authority review and when necessary block specific weapon sales that do not align
with American law or interest. Okay, it's all of them. That's why J.S.H.R.E. supports the
Cease Fire Compliance Act, new legislation, which would ensure that if Israel continues
to pursue policies of Gaza and West Bank that run counter to American interest,
it should not be able to use U.S. weapons in those areas.
That's also why J.S.H.R.E. urged senators this week to vote to disapprove two sales to
Israel, one large bombs, and want to build those both to demonstrate consequences for
misuse of these items in Gaza. A transition towards more normalized street partnership
would place the relationship on a more sustainable and less politically polarizing foundation,
It would align U.S. policy with Israel's own stated aspirations for self-reliance,
the technological, economic, and defensive achievement that Israel has accomplished
that make itself sufficient should be a matter of pride for Israel's supporters around the world.
Like, he's not selling it to us. He's selling this to Israelis. Okay?
He's not selling this to us. He's selling this to fucking Israelis, bro.
Do you see that? Where he's like, come on. You guys said you want to sell for lions,
And, and this is the best way to do so. Okay? It's fucking ridiculous.
The exact timetable for raising out taxpayer subsidies should be worked out carefully. United
States should honor existing commitments, including those in the 2016 memorandum of understanding
through their conclusion in the next two years. But after that, a responsibly rapid phase out is
needed, a step that would move us and Israel towards a more mature balance and ultimately
resilient partnership. Adam Johnson had a lot of words to say on this. Note how this new spin
designed to let Dems distance themselves from Israel and the genocide without fundamentally
changing anything hinges on nebulous enforcement of humanitarian law, which like with Gaza will
be unilaterally done by the same State Department helping carry out the genocide. This is why the
demand was for an arms embargo to avoid such spin. The issue has never been simply
subsidizing genocide. It was arming it and diplomatically and militarily defending it.
The US never funded Saudi war crimes, yet the demand was to stop facilitating them.
With a lot of these shifts in rhetoric, it's tempting to say it's progress.
But in this instance, once one reads the fine print, it's clear it's PR,
reducing the issue to a non-secretary or offsetting it onto some vague,
further international humanitarian law determination that'll always be rigged bullshit.
Simply doing liji law for existing liji laws that will be blown off just like the
Like the first Leahy Laws, accomplished nothing but simply buys Israel time and manages PR
headaches for its current exterminationist project, e.g. the function of liberal Zionism.
What's the plan for when U.S. presidents invariably ignore Leahy too?
This time we mean it.
Past Leahy 3?
No, we seriously, no seriously we will arm Israel liberally this time we promise.
When do we move beyond spend and buying time and acknowledge the fundamental nature
of this project?
How many meta-Leahys do we need exactly?
Every single arms shipment to Israel under Biden was a clear as day violation of lihe laws.
This is true.
It's like you got the drop on someone and they're begging for their life with a knife
in their hand.
Why don't you tell people when you were yelling at Dan Crenshaw for the Saudi genocide
on Yemen what the fuck you should mention it when they bring it up?
I did.
I do.
This is why Blinken buried internal reports saying as much, guess what, it didn't matter
because those carrying out the genocide will never find themselves responsible for genocide.
Lots of noise on this side from both J. Shree's left and right about what our position is
on the Israel-security relationship with the U.S.
Jeremy Benamy explains where we actually are.
It's time to normalize the U.S.-Israel-security relationship.
The US should rapidly and responsibly phase out direct financial subsidies for arms sales
to Israel.
Entry as it does other US allies has brought consensus on this from BVN and Yahoo and Lindsey
Graham to AOC Israel can buy its own stuff.
These guys also don't realize that bringing up Benjamin Netanyahu's agreement with this
issue only calls further suspicion into what your position is.
Okay.
only say this if you are factoring in the republican attitude
or the attitude of ultra zinus or the attitude of israelis in general
this is not in the calculation no fucking american gives a shit that benjamin
netanyahu is on board with this no fucking american cares that lindsay
graham is on board with this
a o c is being used in the circumstance of whitewash and launder this
new perspective that is not dissimilar to the old perspective
Okay. We should still be selling the necessary components of iron dome and other missile defense systems Israel wrong. We are not arguing for a total cut off. I am and we should be. Many Americans are
US arms sales and other forms of assistance Israel should be consistent with US law and align with American policy objectives and interests. It already doesn't.
Those laws are already in the books and they're not abiding by them. So great. Now let's move on.
I went on the Podjons and I think there were there were raving reviews very
positive reviews big chunk of my conversation on the Podjons also revolved
around my defensive Palestinian resistance as a matter of fact welcome
to Pod Save America I'm John Fabra this Sunday Hassan Piker someone I'm sure
no one has a strong opinion about Hassan stopped by the studio to talk
about his move into electoral politics. He recently hit the campaign trail to stomp
for Abdul al-Sayed in Michigan. And to talk about, well, everything you've seen in the
news about him lately. We ended up talking about the many statements he's made that
have sparked a discussion inside the Democratic Party about whether candidates should associate
themselves with him and his audience. We also debated his views on Israel and Hamas,
how he thinks about the words he chooses, and his theory of political organizing. It's
a conversation you need to hear for yourself, so we will get right into it. But before
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You've somehow become the most argued about figure in democratic politics over the last
few weeks so I'd like to have a conversation about why that is that is hopefully more
more nuanced and useful than much of the discourse.
Yeah.
I mean, I go show how serious we are as a movement,
as an opposition party that this is the primary focus.
Central to the discourse.
Just a quick recap to set the table for people
who, lucky for them maybe, haven't been following along.
A few weeks ago, a third way,
Centrist Democratic think tank
published at Wall Street Journal op-ed
calling on Democrats to stop engaging with you.
They describe you as anti-American, anti-woman,
anti-Western and anti-Semitic.
Their evidence is a long list of things you've said,
which we'll get into.
They also specifically single out a few Democrats,
us for inviting you to Crooked Con last year,
Ro Khanna and Michigan Senate candidate Abdul El Sayed.
Also a former Crooked host who a few of us have donated to
and who you campaign with this week,
which fueled even more controversy.
Now, you and I scheduled this conversation weeks ago.
I'm sure some people have had enough
Hassan Piker discourse.
I think it's an important conversation to have because like, you know, even though you
and I have different politics, we've actually debated our disagreements on this show.
I think there's value in doing that in person in a format that's not mediated by algorithms
or a fucking five minute cable hit.
So with all that said, here's why I want to start.
I think the rallies with a duel this week were the first time you've been a featured
speaker at a candidate's actual campaign event.
What exactly was this interview this Friday morning?
And I wonder how you, self-proclaimed Marxist anti-imperialist, decided to be a campaign
surrogate for a Democratic candidate, even one as progressive as Abdul.
What was your thinking there, and what has made you get more involved in Democratic politics?
So I've been very involved in Democratic politics for years at this point, but with
with AOC, Bernie Sanders, and Rashida Tlaibia-Lhanomar,
who I'll be interviewing later today.
But I've never actively, I guess, stumped for a candidate.
And I never, I didn't even realize,
maybe I'm too, like, I'm not old school enough
to understand this, but for me, the difference
between Abdul coming on my stream,
which I've done many times prior to this,
and me, like, going to Dearborn
and us working out together and eating kebabs,
is probably more significant than me going on a rally
and like talking for five minutes in front of a live audience.
So I never thought of that as like this major new step.
I guess it is, because the DC bubble
was like freaking out about it,
where they're like, how dare you do this?
This is the most devastating thing anyone's ever done.
And I like the guy.
That's the reason why I did this.
Like I trust him.
I think he has a lot of great policy opinions.
I think he is much more responsive
the needs of the base than some of the other Democrats that I've been very upset with for
many, many years. And I think he's exactly the type of guy that the party needs to have more of.
My goal has been very clear since Zoran, when we linked up during the primary. It was a very
crowded field and he was able to like cut through that noise and become a beloved mayor of New
New York now, I want to get people into positions of power that I align with politically, even
if we don't 100% agree.
I even have dysregum as well as Zoram from time to time, I'll text them some stuff,
I'll be like, oh, you know, cut this out, what are you doing?
But at the end of the day, I understand that like politics is in some ways the
art of the possible, right?
Like, and I see that I'm not, my expectation is never going to be someone coming out
and advocating to seize the means of production. I'm a reformist, many to my left, which does
exist. For those of you out there, there are people who are further to the left than me,
who will say elections, bourgeois elections are unnecessary and all you're doing is taking
away revolutionary potential and feeding it back into the Democratic Party. You're
a shepherd for the Democrats and therefore a reactionary, a social fascist even. But
All of that stuff is going to break the brains of your audience.
I'm not even, I shouldn't even be getting into that.
Yeah.
I, I, I think if someone wants to, to improve the material conditions of the
working class in this country, if someone says no to unnecessary, like endless
wars and, and advocates to, to bring our productive output back home, to work
on ourselves in some ways, not a dissimilar message to the lie that
MAGA told about isolationism and, you know, no new wars and being
the peace president, if someone actually identifies with that and wants to advance that agenda,
I'm going to be there for them. Just to broaden it out, because I do think it's useful for
people who don't know and are now wondering, like, what's he up to? What does he want?
Like, what is your theory of political change? Like, how do we get from where we
are now? What is the mechanism to get from where we are now to the world that you
want to live in?
Great question. So I am a firm believer that one of the biggest issues in the United States of America, which is the heart of empire, one of the most capitalist countries is a proto capitalist country before capitalism and industrial revolution even happen is, is the idea that most people do not have class consciousness.
Most Americans don't understand that they're a working class and that there are people who generate most of their revenue, most of their net worth off of capital accumulation.
But the overwhelming majority of Americans, the 99% is Bernie likes to call it.
They don't do that. They get a regular wage. They're not business owners or even if they're business owners, they oftentimes operate their own business.
So like the overwhelming amount of money that they're making that they're putting in their pocket is coming from their own labor.
own labor. And they don't identify with that at all. They're they're hopped up on American
exceptionalism, American individualism. So my goal is to instill class consciousness in
people and help them identify what would be more like help them identify who is actually
causing harm to them. And in my assessment, it's the billionaires and the corporations
who actually control the levers of power in this country, and not the vulnerable
populations, the marginalized communities that the Republicans very effectively take
people's frustrations and redirect them towards, right? It's not a trans person or a Guatemalan
migrant that's like raising your rent. It's your landlord. It's not a trans person or
a Mexican undocumented immigrant that's working in the field that is responsible for
why your your grocery prices are going up. That's, you know, that's that's greed flation
and corporate consolidation that's at the heart of that issue. And when you think about your own
show and your own audience, like, what do you think actually changes people's minds? Like,
what has worked for you? I mean, talking to them and explaining to them exactly what I'm
explaining right now, which is that, I mean, I had this conversation with Theo Vaughn where I
I felt like, you know, a light switch came on in his mind when we were having this back
and forth.
When I said exactly this thing about, you know, it's, it's not a trans person that's like
hurting you at all, but the, you know, weird that the Republicans are constantly angling
it in that direction and never really talking about big corporations and, you know, big
pharma and, and all of these capital owners, all these very powerful people that, that
basically run the show in an almost bipartisan manner.
And when I have that conversation with a lot of regular Americans, ordinary Americans,
that haven't put a lot of thought into it, they go, wait a minute, that does kind of
make sense.
I feel like that's not only do I think that that's true, but I also feel like it's a
very effective way to try to unlock people's class consciousness.
And sort of build coalitions for people who are different.
You have over 3 million followers on Twitch, 1.75 million on YouTube.
I saw that you've done something like 20,000 hours of live streaming that is all off the cuff political takes and responding to viewers in real time, which I imagine must be like constantly fighting with people in your mentions.
Yes.
Yes.
No, exactly.
I mean, so, so like, I am not surprised that you've said some stupid and offensive things.
I'm even less surprised that you've said stuff that sounds even worse when it's clipped out of context.
Um, here's what I'm wondering as you've grown your audience and influence and as you've gotten more directly involved in electoral politics
Do you feel a response? What the fuck is this renouncing Israel won't save anti Zionist US Jews?
Why is Haritz writing this the author deep inside every go is an anti-Semite
That's what the the guy who wrote this said
Haritz for every like eight articles
for every eight articles that's like
you know Israel has become a genocidal nation. We are becoming the monsters that we once avoided.
There will always be one article that's like, did you know hummus absolutely was invented in
Israel? Here are the top 10 foods that were actually invented in Israel. And then the foods
are like shakshuka, hummus, pizza, you know, or classic this article where it's like,
Like, yeah, look alive, anti-Sinus Jews.
You will also be sent to the concentration camp, so you better support Israel.
Good luck on Ziwe, aunt, she's coming for you hard.
On Ziwe, Ziwe is a dominatrix, Hassan, shirtless, she's blogging him, gently asking him, what
makes you think you know more than a qualified black woman.
I'm thinking false. Okay. That's...
Well that's it. That's... I hope that that's not what happens. Jesus Christ.
Responsibility to choose your words more carefully or at least in ways.
Haritz, my autistic son is calmer as Iran's missiles fall on Israel.
I'm trying to learn from him.
This is classic. There's classic Harrods.
Classic Harrods, dude. They're less likely to be misconstrued. Yes and no. So yes, because obviously
I don't want to cause any harm to any of the candidates that I'm associating with or this
movement that I am obviously a part of. What I like to call the left-flank
candidates or the Bernie crats, people who are more responsive to the needs of
the working-class folks all around the country, I don't want to
ever be a burden to them. Because being associated with them is not beneficial
for me. The way that DC media perceives the situation is like, oh my god, he went
on, he went out to stomp for Abdul. All of a sudden he's like a legitimate
political force. I'm like, I've been doing that already.
Like I've infinitely more effective sitting at home and just talking shit, right?
Then I am sitting in front of a live audience with like 600 people,
although that's still good. And I enjoy it personally, but like,
and I do that for candidates that I trust, candidates that I want to endorse
and fight for. But I'm already fundraising for a lot of these folks,
right? Small dollar donations from all around the country.
keep flooding into all the campaigns that I work with. But, yeah, I am cognizant of that.
On the other hand, one thing that I'm thinking about is, well, this medium lends itself so
perfectly to being clipped out of context. And I think we are now in a media environment
where that doesn't matter as much. I mean, Donald Trump's the president, right? Like,
he is the president. It's not just his words that are messed up that galvanize
some of the most reactionary forces in this country and normalize some of the most heinous,
most toxic, repulsive types of politics. I mean, he ran on, he campaigned on saying
Haitians are eating cats and dogs. Like that's unbelievable. That's white supremacy through
and through anyone. So on the one hand, I think that we are now existing in a very
different media environment than the one that like MSNOW, New York Times and CNN want to
exist in. I think that that kind of stuff is over. Like your vulgar person as an independent content
creator, I think most people don't care about that. Most people care about like who you are and
what your values are and what you represent. And I've been able to withstand these kinds of
smear campaigns on even the independent side far before I ever drew the ire of RNC research
department so and as a matter of fact they're using a lot of the same clips
that I've had to deal with that are circulating on the internet anyway so
it's not it doesn't bother me that much it doesn't do anything to my audience
my audience knows what I stand for they're listening to me for eight hours a
day they know exactly what my values are I'm sure it might stop some people or
maybe cause them the second guess whether or not they want to be
charitable to what I have to say and that's a problem but at the end
today, most people that see that stuff go, wait a minute, I have the capacity to, I have
free will, I can have the capacity to think critically what's going on here. Why is the
Republican Party saying this, claiming that this guy is racist or claiming that this
guy is a misogynist? When I know what the Republican Party stands for, let me go check
them out. And I think a lot of people do that, and then they check me out, and
then they realize, oh, they were just lying. Like, it's that simple. And I have experienced
this myself and have thought about it over the last couple of weeks because I'm like,
if I did not know you, if I hadn't interviewed you before, if I hadn't been familiarized
myself with your content, which I came to probably later than most, and I just read
the coverage of the last couple of weeks, I would be like, oh yeah, he's a fucking
asshole.
Yeah.
To be fair, I am.
I am an asshole.
But you're an asshole in, I think, in different ways than you are being portrayed.
Yeah.
I'm an asshole to bullies.
Like I bully bullies.
I'm an asshole to reactionaries across the board.
I'm an asshole to Nazis.
It doesn't matter to me.
If you're right wing, if you're a Nazi,
if you're a reactionary, I'm not gonna be nice to you.
And I don't think we should be nice to them.
They're not nice to us.
They're not nice to random uninitiated people.
They're not nice to entire swaths of the population.
So yeah, if that's your ideology,
if that's your worldview,
I find that to be very damaging.
I find that to be very toxic.
I find that to be violent and dangerous.
I'm gonna fight back.
I'm gonna use some mean words every now and then.
Yeah.
Well, and it's less the mean words, right?
Like, at least for me,
because I was looking through the hit list,
which I wanna get into here.
All right.
Or at least some of them.
Because there's some where I'm like,
that was clearly taken out of context, whatever.
There's somewhere,
I think like the underlying point
is still worth debating or talking about.
So the one I've seen just about everywhere is,
I think this is the most common one,
is your comment that America deserved 9-11.
Yeah.
Which you watch back in 2019
by calling it an appropriate, a poor attempted satire,
and said that you meant America the government,
not Americans as people.
But do you still think that America
as a country deserve 9-11?
Because saying America or any country
deserve to be attacked to me is-
You don't know when someone over
and changed their mindset by fucking their ass,
first of all,
maybe they like it.
Secondly, there are certain minds
that I want to change
certain lines that I don't want to cross, you know?
Someone is a heinous, repulsive, toxic, republican politician. I'm not gonna,
I'm not gonna change their minds.
Different than saying you understand why they were attacked and what actions
might have contributed to that attack. Like I get, I get the blowback argument.
Yeah. Yeah.
But that is different than deserved, deserved as like a more of a normative kind of.
Yeah, that was me responding to Daniel Crenshaw ironically enough on the Joe Rogan experience
where he was making this ridiculous argument that like, you know, we have to go out and fight
these people all the time because they hate us because they ain't us. And I was like,
that's insane. That's not the reason. Like, and this was actually echoed by Robert Kagan,
one of the godfathers of neoconservatism just last week where he came out and was like,
Yeah, actually we have been messing around in the Middle East for, you know, upwards of 60 years,
and that's precisely the reason why 9-11 happened, and that's precisely the reason why
these guys say death to America and Iran, for example. So like, that was exactly the same
sentiment that I've addressed a million times over. But of course, in this moment, it was,
you know, it was a heated response, an impassioned response. And people will
consistently use that against me over and over again. Some people hear that and
they think I understand exactly what's going on here. Some people hear that and
go, how heinous. Oh my stars and garters. I am clutching my pearls. I don't even
want to learn what this is about. I don't want to understand what he's
saying. His name is Hassan. He must be Al Qaeda. I mean, and that's fine. You
also can like bring it to the present because like I have a very real
fear right now because of what Donald Trump has done in Iran, he has increased the risk
of terror attacks on Americans abroad and maybe even here. And God forbid, one of those
happens, we will know that it could be a result of or at least Donald Trump will have contributed
to that 100% be a direct byproduct of everything that we've done. It's like impossible not
to recognize at this point. Yeah. And it's very easy at that point for me to say,
Now we know what led to that versus yeah, you know what we deserved it like I wouldn't say that. Yeah, son has gone tubby
No, it's my beard chatter
Classic
Civilians don't deserve it. I mean, I'm I'm anti civilian murder. I'm anti civilian death
That's like one of my one of my first principles is that I'm anti-imprilous
I'm anti-war for that reason because I don't want civilians to die. I don't want random people to die
I don't even want people to go out and and and die in the process of trying to kill people
Spots of America brought you by simply save if you're
out of here
you'll be sipsed and run to the cus I have
you can't get out of here
you can't get out of here
oh my god that is long as hell
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has been circulating this is one from January
Hamas is a thousand times better than a fascist settler colonial apartheid state
I stand by that well, so I will say this is the one that bothered me most when I first heard and I remember I
Remember having a reaction to it when I first saw in January
Mm-hmm because I think even if you believe what happening Gaza is genocide and what's happening in the West Bank is apartheid
Mm-hmm. Those are different claims from
Hamas is a thousand times better because like Hamas is an organization that has massacred raped
Civilians on October 7th. They've also been catastrophic for Palestinians by almost every measure. They
governance, corruption, they made choices they knew would result in mass
civilian death of their own people. So my question is, when you say Hamas is a
thousand times better, do you actually mean that or is that a rhetorical move
or like a solidarity signal? I mean it's all of the above. I do
mean it. I think it's a rhetorical move because it frustrates a lot of people.
I've also said I'm a harm reduction voter, I'm a lesser evil voter and
therefore I would vote for Hamas over Israel every single time because I'm
I'm looking at the situation as a paramilitary organization
that has like a political party as well,
a Politburo as well, that is entirely comprised,
not as an alien force, but of orphaned children
that have had their parents killed
by an apartheid state that has been dominating
the lives of Palestinians for 80 years at this point.
And they've done a genocide at this point as well,
but like it started off with the Nakba
and has only evolved as technology has gotten better,
to become more heinous,
and Gaza is this hermetically sealed area
that many people correctly point to
as the world's largest open-air prison before October 7.
So my perspective on this has always been
that I think that Hamas' tactics,
which I oppose at times, right?
Or it's like internal governance issues
are secondary to this conversation because they're,
it's like placing a lot of emphasis
on the Nat Turner rebellion or instead of talking
about the much larger, much more consequential,
much bigger harm that, you know,
chattel slavery was to black people,
to like sell black people and to rape them
and treat them as though they weren't human.
I think that's a far larger systemic force
that is going to make the National Rebellion
look inconsequential in comparison to the greater harm.
Same with, for example, the ANC.
The ANC had a militant wing called the MK.
I'm not gonna try to even attempt to say it.
And Nelson Mandela went to prison
and was imprisoned by the apartheid state.
And MK and the ANC did a lot of stuff to collaborators.
The collaborators that have worked alongside the apartheid administration, they had a practice
called necklacing, where they would put a tire around the necks of collaborators and lighted
on fire.
It was heinous practice.
And it was, of course, condemned after the fact, but none of the people that were engaged
in it were called correctly, even in the Truth and Reconciliation Committee were
actually legally charged for it, because there's this understanding when we look
back at like some of the more heinous things that resistance groups have done and militancies have
done, we match that up against the far larger, far broader systematic violence that an entire
people have been subjected to. And it makes me feel silly to consistently, you know, talk about
what Hamas has done, especially when there has been an October seven times a thousand,
if not more than a thousand at this point in the hands of Israel against the Palestinian population
in its entirety. I mean, they're doing an October 7 to Lebanon right now as we speak.
Just take it from the Palestinian perspective. Don't you think Hamas's decision to attack on
October 7 and to massacre civilians on October 7 was a catastrophic mistake for them, for the
Palestinian people? Like, do you think the Palestinian people are in any way better off
than they were before October 7? No, of course not. But at the end of the day,
That's why I'm asking you more, it's more for me like a resistance movements, wherever
they are need to come up with strategies, right?
And I think, I guess my view is, and I understand that there is a huge power imbalance here,
but I think that...
Can you explain why you engage in harm reduction for this, another presidential election,
this part confused me?
What?
I'm saying harm reduction, so it's a, yeah, it's something that liberals can contend
with.
Okay
resistance movements that
Engage in you know mass slaughter or or civilian targeting like they just have less success
Then so then then resistance movements that are
Nonviolent, I mean it's obviously in history. Oh, I know we've had a revolution here. I get it. I want to do it
I'm revolution. Yeah, but yeah, but I do think if you look back over the last hundred years nonviolent movements have been more successful than armed resistance
movement that's just I think they were handed hand but I think it was might have
been quamatory who said it you know you can only you can only shame someone who
has a conscience and if your enemy has none it's impossible to get them to to
react to your civil movement because the Palestinians have tried civil
movements I mean the Great March of Return where you know hundreds of
Palestinians were sniped directly directly by the Israeli occupation
forces and they openly celebrated that too. They said we have an accounting of every single bullet
that we shot at the Palestinians and then they had to delete that. I mean this is just the tip
of the iceberg as far as the war crimes galore that we're talking about because even the everyday
maintenance of apartheid which Israel is is an incredibly violent endeavor. The maintenance
requires you to constantly be a military force that is ever present that is dominating and
and ritualistically humiliating and subjugating
millions of people.
So my perspective is always looking at this
from the perspective of the people that are being dominated
rather than placing a lot of the emphasis
on structural violence or rather on state backed violence,
which we have a predisposition to lean into
no matter what someone fights back against a cop.
The automatic suspicion is, well, the police
are actually maintaining law and order.
So it must be a criminal, right?
That might not always be the case.
So I like to look at this stuff with a more open-minded
framework where I can try to figure out exactly what led
to a day like October 7th that was unbelievably violent.
And I think it's pretty clear that 75 years at that point
of ethnic cleansing and apartheid and subjugation
was a big part of the driving force.
And as far as Hamas goes,
we oftentimes talk about just Hamas.
It's almost like a catch-all term.
Hamas is only one component of the Palestinian resistance.
The Al-Aqsa flood was actually conducted
not only by Hamas,
but Palestinian Islamic jihad's own militant forces,
PFLP, DFLP, and numerous other,
even including Fatah militias as well
that still existed in Gaza.
So this was a military operation initially
that was, was, uh, could you say that October seven had a positive effect on the world's
view of Israel's hated now? Uh, no, he didn't ask me that question. And also I wouldn't say
that regardless. Um, he asked me on Palestinians. I mean, Palestinians were genocided in the
aftermath of October seven. This is me taking the long road in a way that is more palatable
to liberals to, to help them identify that, you know, genocide is unjustifiable
against the Palestinians regardless of October seven. And not only that, but also
Things weren't fine for the Palestinians pre-October 7, which is exactly what led to October 7.
Okay?
I am explaining things to a liberal audience as to why Palestinians resist.
Okay?
I conducted by virtually every single active organization inside of Gaza.
So it's not, that's why I always say like Hamas is not an alien entity in the way that
we think about them or we say, oh, they are, they're these like evil oppressors of the
are there disagreements within the Palestinian coalition against Hamas's governance? Absolutely.
No people are a monolith. But the only thing that every single Palestinian, with the exception of those who work for the Atlantic Council or whatever,
that are there to just do regime propaganda, do Israel propaganda,
with the exception of those people, every Palestinian I've ever talked to, Christian Palestinians,
Palestinians who might even have major disagreements with Hamas who might even be critical of Hamas will always say the number one thing
That we want is the end of the occupation is the end of the apartheid the number one thing
We want is dignity and sovereignty and that is
What Hamas has been trying to achieve militarily the message that you just said that the Palestinians want an end to the occupation
dignity self-determination yeah
For people who are not as familiar with the issue as you, but that you want to reach and
that you want to, because I assume the purpose here is to build a movement that supports Palestinian
self-determination.
And if I was someone who didn't know a lot about it and I knew that Hamas committed
October 7, and then I heard a message that Hamas is better than Israel, I would be
less receptive to the person delivering that message than I would someone saying,
liquid Israel has done and what the Palestinian people really want.
Aside from this organization that is serving them poorly is most Palestinians just want
dignity and they want an end to the impression. I would feel like, okay, I could get behind
that and I'm going to be more attracted to that message. I have the policy of saying the
truth unconditionally and standing by my principles, even if that's sometimes hard to hear.
And that's precisely what I did after October 7 on October 8 when I went live and talked
about the systematic forces that have led to October 7 and a lot of people were not
receptive to that message at all.
And some of which actually became haters of mine and left the community where I
lost a third of my entire community for like the first year of of Israel's maximum violence, Israel's genocide, where people simply did not want to hear that message at all.
But I know, and I knew back then, that as long as I say the truth, that one, His rule will vindicate me, and two, as long as I say the truth, there will always be people who are more charitable and more receptive to that regardless.
Because I see no reason in sheltering people from that perspective.
Do I obviously manage in a much longer format, in a much longer conversation like the one
that we're having?
Yes, I am obviously more capable of explaining that position.
But I think saying what I said there, that Hamas is better than Israel, cuts across
that narrative in a way that I think even liberals have to think about because someone
who is immediately reactive to that kind of sentiment that goes, wait a minute, but liberal.
But Israel is a liberal democracy.
It's the only democracy in the region.
Why is he saying that?
They understand at least one part of it, where they think, okay, he's saying, you
know, Hamas killed 1200 people.
You know, a third of them were soldiers, a third of them were, you know, military
who were active duty in the military,
and then civilians as well,
Israel has done that a thousandfold to the Palestinians.
So I think even in the most reductive ways,
even in the most reductive ways
to try to comprehend what I'm saying there,
people can understand that.
Like, I think people are not stupid.
We assume that they're stupid.
I will tell you, well, I'll tell you how it landed
with me, because I was like, it wasn't like,
oh, wait, why did he say that?
Israel's so great.
I was like, Israel has committed just horrific atrocity.
Like I, you know, I have moved so far on this,
but I'm like,
it's the final piece of the puzzle for liberals,
understanding why militant resistance forms
against the United States of America,
and also Israel and the United States of America's allies,
aligned with the Western world.
That's it.
That is something that a lot of liberals cannot contend with, because that requires them to
break their previous understanding that America and all of its allies are a force for good.
Okay?
That's the reason why I, you know, try to educate as many people as possible using language
that people are more comfortable with.
Personally, I think he's being way more charitable to you than the previous ever you do with
him.
Yeah, for sure.
Hamas is fucking, they're fucking, what did they do?
Like October 7th was catastrophic for them.
It was also like, we've all seen the images like, like kids and people and a lot of
like very these are like leftist peaceniks Israelis at a concert and they fucking
massacred them and I'm like these people are like I just want to have and I do
think it's important politics to have like universal principles right which is
like if if violence violence is always wrong civilian violence is always
wrong targeting children women always wrong no matter which side does it
right and I do think that it's important not just from a moral perspective
But from like a building a political coalition perspective to say if I think one thing is wrong
One action is wrong on this side, then it also has to be wrong on the other side
Yeah
Even if there is an obvious power imbalance and even if there is a history, but we don't always do that is my point
Oh, I know we don't know we don't do that when the dust is settled
We don't do that when the the historic forces have played itself out and we look back at it
And I I don't see a reason not to to apply that same interpretation because I see
both I see the civilians on both sides as human beings worthy of dignity and I think a lot of people don't realize that they do have a
Little bit of an implicit bias where we've been trained as Americans living here during the global war on terror to collateralize
Yeah, one side and to see the other side is like a European style country. That's under attack
So we have the capacity to see the the violence that Israelis are subjected to as like real human beings
Maybe even your neighbor dying in the hands of scary brown people as opposed to
Palestinians that die entire city blocks reduce the rubble is something that we've seen so many times on the TV
whether it be the Syrians of war whether it be
You know rock Afghanistan. So we automatically
collateralize those those the lives of those Palestinians so that's part of the
reason why those those images are I think the most pop like that is what
personally has moved me yeah the most is seeing those images like I remember
like in ironically this also answers the question like it what was it worth it
is up to the Palestinians and I'm damn sure not gonna allow there. I'm certainly not going
to fucking, you know, stop my advocacy so that Israel ends up winning in the long run regardless
and continues his domination. But that's it. He just, you know, he just said it.
I don't think it's worth it. Nothing is worth that kind of death and destruction, right?
But that was part of this.
It was part of this puzzle.
Israel
behaves like this unrestrained
natural disaster.
It's not a natural disaster. It's people that are making those decisions.
People that made the decision
to conduct the genocide.
in, you know, post-October 7th and we talked about it a lot here and and the student protest
movement and all the craziness over that. And I remember thinking like it was, there was that
Columbia student who I think was eventually suspended or expelled or whatever for saying
like you're like getting killed, more Zionists and all that. Yeah. And I remember thinking
to myself like I someone says something like that and it's just a reaction that I can't even like
it's just a human reaction to be like oh maybe I don't want to be with these like this is bad I
don't want to hear like that's now you want to kill Zionist or you know what like that's fucking
crazy that's hurting your movement yeah no I've been look here's the thing I've been around
protest movements my whole professional media career for a very long time I've been doing this for
a decade plus there's gonna be cringe people there's gonna be passionate people that say
unhinged things that I totally disagree with. At the end of the day, this is exactly what
happened with Black Lives Matter as well, where there'd be someone that says, yeah,
fry them like bacon, and then the media would laser in on that to disparage the entire movement.
So I have a policy of looking at what the actual movement represents. Do I identify with those
values? Do I agree with them? Rather than key offenders that have said something that I
considered to be heinous as well, right? And I don't spend a lot of time or put a lot of emphasis
on people like that because I've been to these campuses, I've been to these encampments, and
they were some of the best organized movements I've ever seen. They had messaging discipline,
they had all of the right things, they had protest marshals that would keep everything
intact. They refused to talk to the media unless they had someone who was doing communication
for the entire encampment that would talk to the media, and they still got brutalized. UCLA is the
one I went to. I couldn't believe it. Like these, these, you know, pro-Israel groups were, they,
they set up these massive, they set up this like massive auditorium, or not auditorium,
I don't know what it's called, but like a projector where they were blasting October 7
footage and and calling these student encampment student protesters like
heinous words they threw fireworks into the encampment they brutalized these
students and these weren't students that were doing that these are pro-Israel
people that just came from around the area right and and I couldn't believe
what I saw where like the media's coverage was either both siding it or
oftentimes siding with the pro-Israel with the pro-Israel people so
like for me again it's I look at the values and I also don't place a lot of
emphasis on like whatever the media narrative is because we love doing that
yeah we love having a conversation about like whose feelings are being heard
in the Western world when the conversation should be about you know
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rejecting the premise that a Jewish homeland is a legitimate project at all
or is your anti-Zionism specifically about the policies and practices of the
Israeli state as it exists today? I think Zionism is a fascist ideology.
It really is. I think this is like a definitional issue for two years, but I
do think that like there's probably a lot of I think a lot of probably
secular liberals and even secular Jews in this country who think of Zionism as...
They do.
Like, I like the idea of a Jewish homeland and do not think ethno-state, do not think any
of that other stuff.
And then there's people who, you know, who very much define it as, no, it must always
be a Jewish majority state.
And if democracy and equal rights come second, then so be it.
Yeah.
Well, that is what has happened, right?
Which is definitely...
we have right now. It's the fact of what we have right now and it was something that we were
always going ahead in the direction of because I mean even Stalin was a big advocate of Israel
initially. I mean they were the ones who trafficked weapons in 1947 that was used,
they were used on Palestinian villages by way of Czechslovakia right, illegally going through
the blockade. There was this idea that like initially labor Zionism and you know
Penguin was a socialist, right? Like this was going to be like almost like a Marxist project,
but it was just ethnic cleansing from the start. And my assessment on Zionism as an ideology
is not that different from Albert Einstein's assessment of Zionism. Because when he saw
Diyar Yassin and the violence that the early Zionist brigades were engaging in, Haganah,
Ergun Lehi, these militia movements before the IDF existed, before Israel existed,
and he was actually asked to be the first president of Israel. He wrote about what Zionism was turning
into, and he warned that what he was seeing was exactly what the Nazis were doing. And he
warned about it. He said, if we do not have a commitment to binationalism, if we do not
I have a commitment to the people that are already living there.
The atrocities that I'm seeing that, you know, Zionist brigades are engaging in invoking
a live intellectual hero is a strong play.
Yeah.
Albert Einstein, the original Dr. Jihad right now, committing right now against the Palestinians
is going to turn into exactly what the Nazis have done.
And he was right.
He saw it ahead of time.
I mean, he, he knew what the Nazis were.
He lived through it, right?
And, and so my, my perspective is shape.
Einstein wasn't a live. What are you talking about? He might be a liberal hero.
He might be a hero to liberals, but he was literally an open socialist.
He wrote extensively on how he was a socialist by people who have done
either extensive research on this, like, you know, Israeli historian, like Elon
Pope, Abish lame, or people who have lived through this process, many of which are
Jews who have lived through this process and and could not comprehend it. One of the first people
that I interviewed after October 7 was Dr. Ofer Kassif. He is the only Jewish anti-Zionist in the
Knesset. There's a Palestinian citizen of Israel who's also an anti-Zionist in the Knesset. They
have like two people basically. It's a lone voice, but they exist. I care about the perspective
of people like that as well. So I developed a better understanding of what it looks like to
have to fight fascist forces in the country that you're a part of, in the country that you love,
in the country that you want to change towards a better future, towards a better trajectory.
Because I see it as the same fight that I'm fighting here in America because Zionism,
at the end of the day, like I said, is an ethno-religious supremacist ideology that is
is exterminationist and it's in many respects no different than what we see in maga, right?
Christian nationalism. That is a fascist ideology. I don't think you would disagree with that,
right?
No, but there's also ethno-nationalism. Israel has laws that have put this into place.
But there's de facto ethno-nationalism in many different countries around the world.
You could make the same critique of Hindu nationalism. The Turkish treatment of the
Kurds.
Right. That's the Japanese immigration policy.
Things that I oppose vehemently and things that I talk about extensively,
oftentimes people yell at me for my criticism of both of those things.
Yeah. You've said you abhor antisemitism.
You've drawn a distinction between being anti-Israelan anti-Semitic.
Yeah. I take that at face value. Here's the harder question.
Like, where exactly do you draw the line? Because I think,
I think most serious people agree that anti-Zionism isn't automatically
anti-Semitism. But there is disagreement where the line runs in specific cases.
And I think, you know, some of your rhetoric,
whether it's out of contest or not,
has landed in the gray zone,
like calling ultra orthodox Jews in bread,
comparing liberal Zionists to liberal Nazis,
the pig dogs comments.
The pig dog one is, I didn't even know that was like a thing.
Did you know that it was like?
No. Yeah, I don't,
cause even Jake Tapper, when he brought it up,
he's like, I don't know what this is,
but he was like clearly reading a quote from in front of him.
He's like, the 80, maybe it was.
Well, I know, I would throw it in.
I'm like, I've seen it and there's like,
Well, there's a bit it's it's I never understood the big dog thing. Yeah, me either I guess it's like
Something that Nazis to say about Jews or something. I don't fucking know
I've only heard it in like red alert as a as a cop in context of referencing like capitalist big dogs, you know
It's not I've I've literally never heard that is like
I've never heard that is like a like an anti-semitic
anti-semitic thing at all
yeah I didn't even it's one of those things I guess the larger question is like how do you think about as you're talking about yeah
a lion called zombies is capital is pig dogs too. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's not like
pig dogs. Just somewhat common German insult. I assume my whole life.
Yeah. I think that was, that was just people pushing it, you know,
that it's just, yeah, Monty Python is using his sketches to insult the British. It's just,
I think they were just like really desperate to find anything so they
just like landed on that somehow and it's more so a it's more so a testament to
how little opportunity I've given people to present me as an anti-semite.
Drawing the line. In a way where you're like okay if I'm going to you know I
am anti-zionist I want to make this argument I want to talk with project
but I really don't want anyone to take it as anti-Semitic.
Yeah, not just because it hurts your feelings,
but because you're trying to build a political movement.
Yeah, well, it's not just because I want
to build a political movement.
It's because I also genuinely abhor anti-Semitism.
So it's a great question.
It's one that I answer all the time,
because this is a real problem right now
where anti-Semitism is growing in this country.
It's undeniable, as it historically always has.
Whenever Israel does these sieges,
the mowing of the lawn operations and is doing it,
and it's tying itself to Judaism
in this very sinister way.
And people see that and they think,
okay, well, you know, this is the Jewish state doing this.
Maybe it's the Jews, right?
There's already a lot of people
that have these opinions about, you know,
Jewish billionaires and Jewish millionaires
controlling the media, controlling the banking system.
So like, it pairs up perfectly with what they're seeing.
And we've definitely seen a great deal of that, right?
So what I try to do is stress the importance
and showcase that this attitude is not monolithic
inside of the American Jewry.
The reason why, I think it's very important,
even though I'm a Muslim guy,
so most people when they hear me say that,
they don't give a shit, right?
Because they're like, you're, you're goisplaining.
But the reason why,
I stress that importance is because it's true.
I mean, there's a funny saying.
It's like, what, two Jews, three opinions, right?
Like no group is monolithic.
And Jewish Americans, certainly, are not.
They have very different assessments of what's going on.
And we see that.
We see that in the polling that is conducted, right?
Let's see if it is real as well.
Yeah, exactly.
No, I mean, well, Israel is a little bit different.
Because at a certain point, there
is an overwhelming force of people who are on board.
It's a different perspective to get that so
What I what I show always to people is that there's a difference between a lot of Jewish institutions and
how Jews actually feel and I actually sometimes will make a plea to not only my Jewish fans
But just to whoever is listening and hopefully people will take away this message as well to try to separate
Israel from their institutions and to show themselves
as if you have if you consider what Israel is doing to be repugnant then then
stress that there is that distinction between a Jewish institution that you might be a part of and and how much they
Celebrate Israel or how much they try to fundraise for the IDF for example or do
Settler fairs which are illegal inside of synagogues, right because
Because from my experience, there are a lot of Jewish advocacy organizations in this country
and a lot of Jewish institutions in this country that simply masquerade as Jewish institutions
and Jewish advocacy organizations when they're just pro-Israel advocacy organizations and
institutions.
The ADL is a great example of this.
The apartheid defense league, as I like to call them, led by Jonathan Greenblatt,
is very obviously not invested in combating anti-Semitism at all
and is simply using anti-Semitism in the cynical way
to attack critics of Israel, prominent critics of Israel
that have spent decades fighting anti-Semitism
and still continue to do so, myself included.
And that separation, that lack of separation rather,
is teaching Americans who have not been inundated
with Zionist indoctrination,
who don't have any association
Jews other than watching Seinfeld and thinking, oh, you know, they control the media, but they make good movies, right?
Like that's the attitude of the average American about Jewish people who are some, I think the most celebrated religious
minority in this country, most celebrated religious group in this country. I don't know where it is right now,
but that's what the polling is consistently. And the least is I think Mormons, weirdly enough. But anyway,
surprising. But
The way that people see it is they watch heinous violence unfold and they see the Israeli state call itself the Jewish state.
And then they see Americans, American Jews, and Jewish institutions say, yes, that is the Jewish state.
Zionism is important to us. It is the most important thing. We are tied to Israel in this inseparable way.
We do care about it and you as an American should shut up you as an American should be canceled you as an American should not have a
Job if you speak out against Israel because you're being anti-semitic
What lesson are we teaching Americans?
We're teaching them that every Jewish person demonstrates dual loyalty, which is false. It's a trope. It's a lie
It's not true, but that's what we're teaching people and we're also teaching people that
everything that Israel does, it does for Jews. Every time we call Israel the
Jew of State, that's what we're doing. That's what we're teaching regular
Americans. So I try to combat those forces on a daily basis and ironically
enough, I would say this like at my size in the streamer universe especially,
where most of the prominent Israel critics are Candace Owens,
Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes and many other right-wing forces. They don't
care about making that distinction. I do. So it blows my mind that groups like the apartheid
defense league spend most of their time trying to deplatform me. And when you hear them too,
you'll hear, and some of them are just all conspiracy all the time, but like, yeah.
Anyway, that's all I got for today, because I got to go get ready to go to the airport and
fly out to New York, go watch the rest of the video. I thought it was pretty good. The
the rest of this is also about my criticism of the Democratic party, uh,
which is definitely what's the timestamp, 51 40, 51 40 is the timestamp.
But, um,
yeah, uh, going back to Moundana stand, uh,
Eric Swalwell dropped out of the, uh, gubernatorial raise, by the way,
Ladies and gentlemen, he said I am suspending my campaign for governor my to my family staff friends and supporters
I'm deeply sorry for mistakes and judgment. I'm made in the past. I will fight the serious false allegations that have been made
But that's not my fight not a campaigns
You should be fighting the legal system. Let's be real
Fuck that up
but
Yeah, that's all that's what I got for now. I'll be in New York. I'm doing Z way
So get excited. Oh, Donald Trump met with Florida. Oh, he met with Florida governor, Ron DeSantis.
I thought that was, I thought that was Rick Scott for a second. I was like, oh, shit.
If he's with Rick Scott in Florida, I'm fucked. He's doing a post about me. Um, but yeah,
that's all I got for the day. Uh, unfortunately, only seven hours, 20 minutes. I would have
I would have kept going, but like I said, I got to go.
Yeah. And I'll see you tomorrow is always same time,
not the same place though in New York city, ladies and gentlemen.
And then the next day I'll be at Yale, not shakin' a beard yet.
You should keep going.
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