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04-15-2026 · 6h 56m

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[00:07:58] I'll be headfirst into the atmosphere to win male voters ahead of 2028, but they'll have
[00:08:26] to compete with the digital bro world's new rising star, far left activist Hassan Piker.
[00:08:32] Now what I really want is whether social media influencers are twins you need to like Hassan Piker
[00:08:39] or other kind of promoters of hate.
[00:08:56] You must always maintain revolutionary optimism.
[00:09:19] You must always continue to organize.
[00:09:21] We must always continue to advocate because the quicker we can create enough pressure
[00:09:28] that causes the American state to re-calculate its suicide attack with Israel, the quicker
[00:09:34] we can save as many Palestinian lives possible.
[00:09:51] what's going on everybody I hope everyone's having a fantastic evening
[00:09:59] afternoon freedom no matter where you are in the world I'm son piker in this
[00:10:02] house and I'm broadcast coming to you live from sunny beautiful
[00:10:21] incredible day in new york new york is manhattan folks we're live we're live i told march that i'm
[00:10:29] not gonna do iRL today but honestly i uh i got out of the uh interview that i did this morning
[00:10:38] with new york times i did another interview with geared haze from mother jones and i was i i couldn't
[00:10:45] believe how beautiful the weather is. It is immaculate chat. It is 85 degrees and sunny right
[00:10:53] now in New York City. It's a, it really is a gem. When New York is, is, uh, New York in the spring,
[00:11:03] New York in the spring, when it's like 80 degrees or higher, it is just,
[00:11:09] it's honestly the best place to be on the planet, straight up. There is no better place to be
[00:11:16] Anywhere else on the planet than here right now at this moment, and I'm of course spending it
[00:11:20] Locked away slaving away as you already know
[00:11:25] behind closed doors
[00:11:31] Doing my very best to entertain you guys and also keep you informed
[00:11:36] About all the comings and goings about everything that's happening in the universe
[00:11:40] Yeah, I saw us Nico got snuck or sucker punched
[00:11:49] Yes, Mayor Mamdani of Mamdana Ston has actually fixed the weather as well. I mean, what can't this fucking guy do?
[00:11:56] Holy shit, ladies and gentlemen
[00:11:59] We're alive. We're alive. And I hope everyone's having a fantastic one. We got a lot going on in
[00:12:05] The world. What is this?
[00:12:07] Check out 1512 for the Hassanami mission
[00:12:10] Bobby in the ice creams with Trixie in Katya. Okay, we'll look at that in a second Trixie
[00:12:18] Trixie mentioned Wow
[00:12:22] Go outside today boo
[00:12:25] Sure, maybe okay, so
[00:12:30] Ladies and gentlemen boys girls and MBs the second channel is dying. What do you mean? Where'd that come from?
[00:12:40] for the Yale recap omega law sure we'll look at that in a second but yeah we
[00:12:53] have I have a lot to talk about of course but this is part of the broadcast
[00:12:58] where I tell you about my personal news about what's going on in the world of
[00:13:01] the San Jose Navi Piker in between the time period where I press the stop
[00:13:04] shaman button and press the start shaman button so help me God that's
[00:13:08] what I'm gonna do. And that's precisely what I'm here to do. So folks, folks, folks, folks, folks.
[00:13:18] Last night we had quite the eventful Yale Union debate. And I think, or I hope you guys actually
[00:13:28] enjoyed it. A lot of stomping, a lot of hissing, a lot of this, a lot of that, a lot of controversy
[00:13:35] in the aftermath, of course, as always. But yeah, I got China mugged, Chinese mugged,
[00:13:43] there was Chinese maxing. And of course, I'll be doing a recap as well of all of that. But before I do,
[00:13:51] Before I do that, personal news wise, hold on. Yeah, I ended the broadcast last night and I hung out with the students a little bit in a private event.
[00:14:10] We had some short cuttery, some pizza was ordered and then we quickly got into a car
[00:14:23] to come back to New York City because I had early interviews in the morning.
[00:14:30] I'll be giving you a recap of the event, the Yale event in a second.
[00:14:35] It was actually very, very entertaining and very interesting.
[00:14:40] I personally enjoyed it quite a bit.
[00:14:42] I hope you guys did, too.
[00:14:48] But,
[00:14:50] but,
[00:14:53] having said that,
[00:14:56] having said that,
[00:14:58] personal news was like I said,
[00:14:59] I woke up early and I've been up working,
[00:15:04] went to sleep, shut ass, loser lifestyle. You already know what it is.
[00:15:09] Chut ass, loser lifestyle.
[00:15:13] On some gang shit.
[00:15:17] It was even fun as a chatter. So good job. Yeah, I hope it was.
[00:15:21] I thought my speech was my best one so far. Right.
[00:15:27] I thought the speech that I delivered was my was my best one so far.
[00:15:31] But some people didn't seem, not some people,
[00:15:37] Mark said it was all right.
[00:15:39] Mark still thinks it's better if I do off the cuff.
[00:15:45] I disagree.
[00:15:45] I think there was plenty off the cuff
[00:15:47] on the speech that I delivered.
[00:15:49] He said it was like much better.
[00:15:54] He said it was much better.
[00:15:57] You were on MSNBC.
[00:15:59] My mom called me and told me to start clip on
[00:16:01] Tom piker on MSNBC and she wants me to marry him. Oh, okay, ma. Let me just call him up. Oh, I was on MSNBC. Hell, yeah
[00:16:12] After I went to the human trolley my mom's an obsessed she watches videos on YouTube before bed and always tells me how handsome
[00:16:17] She thinks he is mom's love him
[00:16:19] Dude, this is awesome
[00:16:23] This is awesome. Okay, I love that I
[00:16:26] I love that. The word is spreading to the moms all across the country. Okay.
[00:16:33] Preaching the Hassanabi Gospel. Yes, you were a good man. Give it best of both things.
[00:16:40] Okay, okay, okay, okay.
[00:16:44] In any case, folks, yeah, now that the Ezra piece came out, I think MSNOW has to defend me.
[00:16:52] That's just, you know, King liberal, King liberal defended me.
[00:16:56] So all the liberals need to fall in line, you know?
[00:17:00] Um, my mom thinks you swear too much.
[00:17:03] I do swear a lot.
[00:17:07] But, uh, all right, let's blast off and let's get into it.
[00:17:12] Um, to where I made a video agreement with all your greatest hits and he wants to collab.
[00:17:16] Hell yeah.
[00:17:16] I briefly watched this last night.
[00:17:19] Well, I didn't watch this, but I played it while I was.
[00:17:21] getting in the car. So you guys probably didn't get to see all of it. So we'll watch that today.
[00:17:26] Yes, I know, I know that there's a Cuba military action that's imminent. And we'll talk about
[00:17:38] that as well. Thank you to Macias for the playlist. Is Nancy Pelosi, is Ezra Klein the
[00:17:48] Nancy Pelosi of liberal intelligentsia. Yes, he is the speaker, Emirates of liberalism,
[00:17:54] like unconditionally and across the board when he's, when he says jump liberal, say how
[00:17:59] hi.
[00:18:02] So Yale recap, hands off Cuba, fresh Iran talks. I'll just say Iran talks. New Michigan
[00:18:14] poll for Abdul. US Hormuz double block continues. Iran says Iran claims violation of ceasefire,
[00:18:30] violation of ceasefire, situation monitored Epsom's fury day 47. Get in now.
[00:18:39] Amir Atas, what, Emeritus, isn't it?
[00:18:47] Emeritus, Emily Radikowski.
[00:18:51] Damn, I'm supposed to go to Cuba in a few weeks, you think he's cooked?
[00:18:58] I don't know, we'll see, we'll see what this administration does.
[00:19:03] I mean, they're they're saying that it's cooked, but
[00:19:09] Bro, you guys are 100% Nazis.
[00:19:11] He's opening up another front is psychotic.
[00:19:13] Yeah.
[00:19:16] You made it into this dem candidates ad law.
[00:19:20] What is this?
[00:19:26] Um, okay.
[00:19:28] Emeritus.
[00:19:29] all right, all right, Dave Wigel wrote about me. I know I wrote, I read it on the way, on the way on the car ride.
[00:19:37] Back to the hodl. I was in a poll as well. I know I'm gonna cover all that. Let me blast off real quick and then we'll get right into it.
[00:19:47] Okay.
[00:19:51] Did you watch the new Euphoria app? No, I didn't. What is this?
[00:19:58] Hasan should have rated me, he doesn't like gay people.
[00:20:02] When you guys gonna realize this, that your socialist leftist hero, his agenda doesn't
[00:20:08] include homosexuals, okay?
[00:20:10] It doesn't include homosexuals.
[00:20:12] If you're gay, especially if you're trans, okay?
[00:20:17] Especially if you're trans.
[00:20:18] You know what he told me?
[00:20:20] He called me the other day.
[00:20:21] You know what he said?
[00:20:22] He said, Austin, I just can't believe there's trans people in sports.
[00:20:28] I can't believe. What the fuck? That's crazy.
[00:20:39] That's why is he outing me, dude? For real?
[00:20:43] Why is he outing me? Blast off for real?
[00:20:46] Okay, chill. Chill.
[00:20:52] Chill. That's that's crazy.
[00:20:55] That's crazy. I got a whole lot of ass and y'all are cooking me for it. Okay. That is crazy. I need to have less ass. Okay. I need to be less bootalicious. Okay. That is fucked up.
[00:21:15] or a farming in the middle of the speech Oh
[00:21:27] Austin slander knows no bounds. Yeah, he's fucking me up right now. That's crazy
[00:21:34] I need to have less booty cheeks man. I got
[00:21:39] I got an unholy amount and inappropriate amount of booty cheeks
[00:21:43] amount of booty cheeks. We got to dial it back folks. That's some Donald Trump shit right there.
[00:21:51] Double cheeked up for absolutely zero reason.
[00:21:57] Gloop maxing and hype mogging in CT is unheard of. You grew it yourself. You should be proud. I'm not proud.
[00:22:03] liberal's don't understand anything he doesn't even know what the dictatorship of the proletariat means
[00:22:14] he's not just all about politics is also dumb about Marxism it's the transitory period between
[00:22:21] capitalism and full communism it's not a literal dictatorship and even when the term is coined
[00:22:24] before the word dictatorship and authoritarian yeah hmm I wonder if I don't know and and perhaps I
[00:22:31] was using the liberal framework that the other person was the other person was
[00:22:38] talking about one of the first speakers like that maybe maybe maybe if you watch
[00:22:44] the actual full clip dude liberals are so goddamn annoying so smarmy and so
[00:22:49] unbelievably fucking stupid it blows my fucking mind okay never
[00:22:55] debodify yourself yeah we'll start there we'll start with like the positives
[00:22:58] and the negatives from the Yale speech, right? So, let's blast off though. Bro, the ass is
[00:23:06] one of a kind. Stop talking about it. Okay, calm down. First time, long time, but what did the
[00:23:10] hiss mean? So, they have traditions. They have traditions at the Yale political union, okay? So,
[00:23:21] So this is the oldest like political union slash debate club that they've had, okay?
[00:23:29] We'll get right into it.
[00:23:30] We'll get right into it.
[00:23:31] Fuck it.
[00:23:32] Okay.
[00:23:33] So they have old-ass traditions like, you know, the speaker comes up, he says, for the
[00:23:39] speech, okay?
[00:23:41] That's like one of the things.
[00:23:43] And then also on top of that, also top of that when they, when they're, you know, there's
[00:23:51] people there, there's people in that crowd that are like conservative, reactionary, liberal,
[00:23:58] Marxist, Marxist Leninist, like it's a, it's a, a very diverse, ideologically diverse
[00:24:06] environment, which is ironic because like everybody thinks, oh Yale, they're all communists
[00:24:11] on the Fox News side. And my assessment was going to be that they're all liberal. I think
[00:24:15] my assessment was a little bit closer to the truth. Let's be real. But, but basically,
[00:24:29] you know, there was a, there was broad positive reception.
[00:24:35] Never get high on your own supply of these schools believing in liberals and is like
[00:24:38] believing their own propaganda. They do believe their own propaganda. Anyway, so
[00:24:41] You know they have different phrases that they deploy they have different
[00:24:47] Different traditions hissing is one of them like the crowd is is both left and right and
[00:24:55] The crowd is both left and right and obviously there are
[00:25:01] Right-wingers who who don't like what I'm saying and they're hissing and then they're left-wingers who like what I'm saying and they're stomping
[00:25:07] So that's just how it goes
[00:25:09] Okay
[00:25:11] First things first, let's talk about the entrance. Okay, let's talk about the entrance, which was also captured by the Yale political union.
[00:25:27] And, and, and here we'll show you people are going crazy.
[00:25:55] only was it not only was the reception incredibly positive some might even say orgasmic stop
[00:26:04] anti-semitism posted this said watch Yale students orgasmically welcome Hasan piker a man who
[00:26:13] said americans are not 11 and calls the murder of sitting you a senator Yale is poison
[00:26:17] keep your children grandchildren as far away from this institution as you can now you
[00:26:23] know, I know a Colwin also made a joke and said, watch Yale students orgasmically welcome
[00:26:29] to Sompiger. That's an insane way to cover that entrance. I don't know why the stop anti-Semitism
[00:26:40] lady went with that. There were probably different words that she could have used there as
[00:26:45] a substitute for orgasmically, but you know what? Fuck it. Why not? Okay? Why not? If you're
[00:26:55] just going to be a horn dog about your your psychosexual pathological obsession with me,
[00:27:02] you might as well go all the way. So I respect it. I respect SOP anti semitism for for
[00:27:09] uh... being unbelievably horny beat to be horny is to be alive
[00:27:14] okay
[00:27:18] this reply to it is gold what it is
[00:27:23] live reaction
[00:27:26] live reaction from your students of the songs arrival
[00:27:29] Oh my god, I'm nutting! Oh! Uncontrollable coming! Oh, shit! Oh, fuck!
[00:27:38] There's nobody and I was bawling then.
[00:27:43] Yeah, so much of the, so much of the anger and resentment directed towards me,
[00:27:49] and I don't really know why this is the case, is weirdly sexualized.
[00:27:54] That was, that was just strange thing. I don't know what it is. I have no idea where that comes from, but it was very strange.
[00:28:07] Yeah. Who'd you say hi to on your speech? The photographer. She came up to the right side of the podium
[00:28:23] We can draw a straight line from indigenous massacres of the early United States to the
[00:28:31] 20th century.
[00:28:32] Oh, the girl that was running up.
[00:28:34] See?
[00:28:35] You even see her right there, the photographer.
[00:28:38] You can see her right here.
[00:28:40] She's running up.
[00:28:41] of the early United States to the 20th century killing fields that we have
[00:28:48] created in the third world.
[00:28:51] Why do you think I made the Hassan Bazaar Adventure manga that way because I called it a long time ago?
[00:29:15] Nailed that social interaction. Yeah, my ADHD kicked in. I asked Stopping Simmissism if she busted.
[00:29:27] This, this must be the ad that Yale students saw.
[00:29:30] Come click this link for more detail on Pussy. I'm so horny.
[00:29:33] So, yeah, it was it was a very, very eventful experience overall. The haters in the P starts
[00:29:50] hissing when they hear certain words like us is our Cuba downfall world peace literal
[00:29:54] Twitter reply bots. Okay, guys, it seems to me like the hissing is so unique for all
[00:30:00] of you that you just it can't get over it. It's normal. There's just like a regular interactive process
[00:30:13] and and you know it it's it's it's fun. It's just like a part of the the theater of it all. Okay.
[00:30:21] I don't know why you guys are so hyper focused on it.
[00:30:24] But the cameras next to the conservatives that were in the bag as well, it's normal.
[00:30:36] I mean, it's not, but it's theater.
[00:30:38] It's like a part of the theatrical process of the Yale debate club, right?
[00:30:50] Because it was annoying as fuck.
[00:30:51] Who cares, man?
[00:30:52] um yeah it's supposed it's good it's like a non-interruptive boo I prefer that
[00:31:01] then people booing if that's what they were supposed to do it was kind of funny
[00:31:07] though I mean they would they would literally hiss like world peace and shit
[00:31:10] bro you don't understand that we were hearing hissing the whole fucking
[00:31:14] time right next to the mic no the microphone wasn't near you guys we
[00:31:20] put the microphone. Oh, maybe while I was doing the speech, that's why.
[00:31:26] Because, uh, because I had my own mic and March had, uh, March had his mic.
[00:31:35] So because the right wingers were near the camera and they were hissing,
[00:31:39] that's why you guys heard as much. Anyway, it doesn't fucking matter.
[00:31:42] All right, whatever.
[00:31:45] Chat complains about interaction was literally to a chat. I know.
[00:31:47] maybe they're just mad that they didn't get to interact. Okay.
[00:31:56] But, um, yeah, overall, I think, uh, the reception was, uh, overall, the
[00:32:03] reception was fantastic.
[00:32:05] I mean, uh, the, the, the environment of the room was fantastic.
[00:32:11] Uh, they were saying that, um, they were saying that there was a lot of
[00:32:16] excitement for Curtis Slewa and when they had, when they had Curtis Slewa on, that was the most exciting event that they had had thus far.
[00:32:27] And then when I said I would do it, apparently it just like, you know, the participation was, was insane.
[00:32:36] I
[00:32:42] Anyway
[00:32:49] Okay, the same five ten people on Twitter still hate you with new posts from this yeah, I know I know
[00:32:56] The let's in use you to who sounded like it was one of the chatters. You always yell at yeah
[00:33:00] I did a little bit. I did also do a little bit of that
[00:33:03] Sometimes we can just let the whimsy take hold and enjoy the ride chat. We don't need to freak out about everything different
[00:33:08] No, I know it's the it's the autism function. That's what it is. They're like well people were his thing
[00:33:13] It's illegal to calm down chatters. Jesus fucking Christ like just
[00:33:18] Just enjoy the goddamn show. You know what I mean?
[00:33:27] Like holy shit anyway
[00:33:33] Um, I was uh, I was mentioned on on the bold and the bald and beautiful podcast
[00:33:41] I'm gonna play that real quick. No, I don't know
[00:33:46] Who's that thank you
[00:33:50] He's a very he's a very well, he's a twitch streamer very active on twitch
[00:33:54] She's a Mary. I I don't want to thirst over him be the
[00:33:59] 4,000 obnoxious person thirst over him online, but yeah, I think thirst is different than listen
[00:34:04] It's a blessing to have five senses including sight. It's a blessing to be able to notice something beautiful and say that's just beautiful
[00:34:10] Yeah, I just don't want to add to the the the annoying dint of people online like thirsting over him. I don't know
[00:34:16] I just want to be unique. I understand. Yeah, but I would suck the shit out of his asshole
[00:34:21] Oh, let's take a break
[00:34:25] That was it that's the that's the mention that's what you guys wanted me to see
[00:34:29] Um, that one speaker called his grandma's decision for how his family existed.
[00:34:38] Evil was crazy.
[00:34:39] Yeah.
[00:34:39] That's definitely all of those were Hassan Abihaz, by the way, even the ones who are
[00:34:43] against my resolution, even the ones that were both the ones that were in the affirmative
[00:34:49] and the ones that were in the, in the negative were also part of the progressive
[00:34:53] wing. Like the first speaker, I talked to him afterwards, and he was literally a part of the
[00:34:59] progressive wing of the Yale Union. So, yeah, the liberalism galore is what I'm trying to say.
[00:35:07] Like, there were pro-American empire progressives in the debate club.
[00:35:16] From what I understand, from what I understand, there were also some right-wingers there as well,
[00:35:27] but the ideological diversity of that crowd is kind of wild. Apparently, they had Curtis Yarwin
[00:35:37] speak, and it was dominated by the right flank of the Yale political union, and there were
[00:35:44] For people who were just like unironically pro constitutional monarchists, liberal Hitler
[00:35:55] was my favorite.
[00:35:56] That one was crazy.
[00:35:57] I didn't even realize that was a thing.
[00:36:05] But yeah, don't take a position they might not actually believe in for debate purposes.
[00:36:10] No, no, those are, no, no, those are sincerely held beliefs.
[00:36:13] It wasn't like a debate club type situation.
[00:36:16] I think those were genuine points of contention.
[00:36:26] But yeah, this was me responding to his speech
[00:36:30] where I said like, look, if you say power inevitably
[00:36:34] leaves control from one hand to the next.
[00:36:40] And a lot of liberals didn't understand
[00:36:43] that I was responding to someone there.
[00:36:45] Even though I mentioned it in the beginning
[00:36:48] of the fucking speech.
[00:36:49] One of the first speakers, I forget your name,
[00:36:51] had some interesting words to say
[00:36:54] that there's always going to be power.
[00:36:58] I said, we put the power back in the hands of the many
[00:37:02] rather than the power in the hands of the people.
[00:37:05] If a dictatorship is inevitable,
[00:37:10] I'd rather have it be a dictatorship of the proletariat
[00:37:23] Thank you so much for having me today
[00:37:33] Did you try new Haven pizza yes, dude I did I did okay I
[00:37:37] I had Pepe's and I had Pete's and Pepe's was really fucking good
[00:37:46] The guys have been willing to keep our narcos days
[00:37:49] He said where's your evidence and he literally said he made it up a mile
[00:37:51] I know now all the speakers had the same gusto
[00:37:55] Nor the same background
[00:37:59] But
[00:38:02] But yeah, it liberals got really mad at this one
[00:38:05] He doesn't even know the do can you hear the brilliant Harry? I mean he's just not that he's not just don't about politics
[00:38:11] Those are dumb about marks him again one of my number one haters
[00:38:17] One of my number one fucking haters
[00:38:22] Okay
[00:38:26] Huh and then like they continued the fantasy a non-zero number of kids in that room of a favorable view of the Khmer Rouge
[00:38:33] all this stuff
[00:38:35] It's like liberals fantasizing about their opposition, their ideological opposition to their left flank, as both being incredibly violent, incredibly unproductive.
[00:38:50] Yeah, a guy who hates you in your cause spotted exactly being professionally obtuse.
[00:38:56] I saw it was great.
[00:38:58] Yale Daily News wrote about it says,
[00:39:00] Sompiger says, American Empire is dying at well-attended debate.
[00:39:03] The left-wing trimmer, Sompiger, whose visit camp
[00:39:05] has drew a Republican senator's rebuke,
[00:39:07] attracted a large crowd to a Yale political union debate on Tuesday.
[00:39:11] He has harshly criticized the United States' foreign policy.
[00:39:14] Sheffield, Sterling, Shroud, and so on.
[00:39:17] He's a very good speaker.
[00:39:19] He's a very good speaker.
[00:39:21] on Tuesday. He has harshly criticized the United States' foreign policy. Sheffield Sterling
[00:39:25] Strath-Cona Hall was buzzing on Tuesday evening an hour before a son, Piker, well-known left-wing
[00:39:31] Trish Schumer, walked up to the podium to address the ill political union. Piker spoke in favor
[00:39:35] of the resolution and the American Empire. In his speech he criticized U.S. immigration
[00:39:38] and customs enforcement, Israel and capitalism, and he claimed that the American Empire was
[00:39:42] in the process of dying. Four days before the event, Senator Rick Scott wrote on X that
[00:39:46] the Trump administration should immediately revoke Yale's federal funding because the
[00:39:49] student group was hosting piker who said during a live stream last year that if you cared about
[00:39:53] Medicare fraud or Medicaid fraud you would kill rick scott scott of florida republican
[00:39:57] who spoke at the political union debate in october was previously the chief executive of a hospital
[00:40:01] company that was investigated for fraud and later paid 1.7 billion in settlements to the government
[00:40:08] i'm especially sad that senator rick scott couldn't make it piker said on tuesday in his
[00:40:12] opening speech drawing laughs from the audience sure he had many opinions on whether or not
[00:40:16] we should end the US Empire and the global capitalist system, which is what I'll be talking about today,
[00:40:21] and then your grandparents probably going to hear about it on Fox News tomorrow.
[00:40:25] That one got a lot of laughs. Yale political union president Morris Zeppi said,
[00:40:31] Tuesday's debate saw the most demand he had seen for a political union event. Earlier
[00:40:36] the semester when we hosted New York mayoral candidate Curtis Slewa, I stood on this very
[00:40:39] stage at this very podium and proclaimed that I could say without a short of doubt
[00:40:42] that I had never seen this level of excitement for a guest of the Yale Political Union.
[00:40:46] This is what he said as he introduced Piker. That distinction was perhaps short-lived.
[00:40:51] It was electric. Kai-Shun Kwak-Rup, 28, who gave a speech opposing the resolution,
[00:40:55] told the news after the event, I really appreciate that the community cares about it
[00:40:58] as the national headlines are reflecting. It's really contentious, and so it's good to have
[00:41:03] civic engagement at Yale, and it's really good to have people who disagree, who are willing
[00:41:06] to listen to each other. Avi Rao, 27, the Yale Political Union speaker, said that while
[00:41:11] while the increasing attendees brought more energy to debate, every student speaker was able to speak, have questions, and not be interrupted.
[00:41:17] The crowd thought they spotted Piker entering three times and began to applaud, only to realize each time that someone else had entered the back door of the hall.
[00:41:24] When Piker entered the lecture hall, erupted into applause.
[00:41:27] This is a guy that has modern media presence.
[00:41:29] Gemma Kellish, a member of the political union's independent party, said in an interview, he reaches our demographic exactly, people that are our age.
[00:41:36] In his remarks, Piker traced the history of what he called America's Imperial Roots from the Spanish-American War
[00:41:41] through World War II and the Cold War, which he described as an endless series of butcheries, each more perverse and more tragic than the last.
[00:41:49] What was the point of defeating the Nazis if we went on to dominate so much of the globe as violently as we have, he asked?
[00:41:54] After the fall of the Soviet Union, which Parkett argued was one of the greatest catastrophes of the 20th century,
[00:41:58] America had no more big enemies left to beat and turn the gun on itself.
[00:42:02] No matter what we say here, the American Empire is going to inevitably fall,
[00:42:06] Piker said. Piker argued that the American people still had the power to
[00:42:10] manage the retreat of the American Empire from the world stage, preventing it from
[00:42:13] ending in a much more violent way. Students who argued against the
[00:42:16] resolution suggested the United States, while in need of reform, should remain
[00:42:19] as a global superpower. Power does not evaporate. It changes hands,
[00:42:23] Kwakrupp said, arguing that an American Empire is greatly preferable
[00:42:26] to the dominance of other global powers. Similarly, William Flanagan, 27,
[00:42:29] argued against Piker's vision of a weak retreating America.
[00:42:33] We do not have to accept anything less than what we know this country can be
[00:42:36] flying and said the resolution passed by a vote of 54 to 31 with three members of
[00:42:40] the union abstaining. I didn't know that you are the biggest Putin fan. I love
[00:42:45] that people will say, well, Vladimir Putin said this. It's like it doesn't
[00:42:49] matter that he said it dude. It's just true. And like my perspective on
[00:42:54] this is also very different than Vladimir Putin's perspective on this
[00:42:58] issue. Vladimir Putin said that because not only did he go through the process and see
[00:43:05] how unbelievably violent it was, but also he said that because the USSR had lost its
[00:43:11] global promise, its global presence, its global power. My perspective on provide data,
[00:43:21] provide data on life expectancy plummeting in the immediate aftermath of the dissolution
[00:43:27] of the fucking USSR, like suicide rates skyrocketing, child prostitution, increasing tremendously,
[00:43:37] what do you mean provide data? I did. I mentioned it in the fucking speech, but it's not just
[00:43:42] that. My point there isn't just about the material harm that the Soviet bloc nations
[00:43:50] were experiencing in the aftermath of this dissolution. It was also about the fact
[00:43:54] that we were left uncontested. We, the United States of America and Western powers, were
[00:44:01] left uncontested in the global stage. And you, as a matter of fact, just like myself, live
[00:44:09] in that environment. That's the environment that you know. That's the only environment
[00:44:14] that you've existed in. And that's precisely the fucking reason why you don't know any
[00:44:20] other alternative universe where there was a competitive global power that was an ideological
[00:44:26] opponent that presented the threat of a good alternative. You know what I mean? Why do you
[00:44:34] think we have accelerated neoliberalism? You talked about this even horrible. Wrong people
[00:44:40] can say the right thing that doesn't make you agree with the worldview. Exactly. The
[00:44:45] guy who spoke Mandarin to you are for that but this point did not eat. But his point
[00:44:50] did not eat. That shatter doesn't know what you're talking about. He thinks the
[00:44:56] USSR still exists and Putin is still running it. Yeah.
[00:45:06] Anyway, yeah, Owen Jones. 12 million people are estimated to have been killed by
[00:45:11] economic shock therapy in Russia alone. Russia suffered the worst peacetime
[00:45:14] economic collapse of a major industrialized nation in history. The
[00:45:18] The Russian economy nearly half the fall in Russian output was much worse than caused
[00:45:23] by the Nazi invasion in 1940s. Russian mayor life expectancy fell by 6.5 years to 57.6
[00:45:29] back to its mid 1950s level. The overall fall in life expectancy is on the scale of Vietnam
[00:45:34] during all out war in the 1960s. The suicide and homicide rates doubled. Real incomes
[00:45:38] collapsed by 40%. At the time of the Soviet collapse, one in 50 Russians lived in poverty
[00:45:42] by the end of 1998. That surged to nearly one in every five. Full employment gave
[00:45:48] way to mass unemployment as health care funding collapsed by a third in poverty
[00:45:51] surge disease such as the theory of tuberculosis syphilis rampage russia was
[00:45:56] taken over by oligarchs gangsters implicated in serious crimes who
[00:45:59] stole the country's resources
[00:46:01] murderous conflicts in the former soviet territory included chestnut
[00:46:05] were potentially hundreds of thousands were killed
[00:46:07] yeltsin's contempt for democracy was underlined by his bombing of the
[00:46:09] russian legislature
[00:46:11] and the undemocratic farce of the nineteen ninety six election putin
[00:46:14] came in the power after the russian secret services almost certainly
[00:46:16] stage department bombings which killed hundreds. The invasion of Ukraine has killed hundreds
[00:46:20] of thousands of people. Need I go on? Yes, the collapse of the Soviet Union was one of
[00:46:23] the great catastrophes of our age. An alternative would have kept the USSR together. Baltic
[00:46:27] states decide on a democratic basis without the ruin of shock therapy. Notably, a Soviet
[00:46:32] wide referendum in March 1991 overwhelmingly voted to keep the Union together, although
[00:46:36] it was boycotted by six of the 15 republics in the Baltics and three small republics.
[00:46:42] is just the internal problem the larger fucking issue that I was also
[00:46:46] presenting is that we won and guess what happened we won the cold war and we
[00:46:52] turned the gun on ourselves okay
[00:47:00] that is the argument that I'm presenting here and it's so funny because
[00:47:06] it's like it's very clear because I mentioned it I don't know if I'm if
[00:47:10] the RNC research clip also factors that in. But like, not only was it catastrophic for the people
[00:47:19] that actually fucking lived in Russia, lived in the USSR, but also in the aftermath of no longer
[00:47:27] having a great power, an ideological opponent that we were, that constantly kept this in check,
[00:47:34] that allowed Europe to have, you know, this bountiful social democracy,
[00:47:38] because of the fear of capital owners in Europe close in proximity to the USSR,
[00:47:43] you know, the specter that was haunting Europe, that they gave concessions to the labor unions,
[00:47:51] to the trade unions, to the socialists, the communists, the Marxists, concessions that
[00:47:56] still improve everyday existence of European social democracies to this day, although they are
[00:48:02] also
[00:48:04] uh... engaging in
[00:48:05] uh... they're also experiencing devastating attrition
[00:48:08] due to austerity as a direct consequence of no longer having
[00:48:12] another countervailing force
[00:48:15] right
[00:48:16] the fall of the u ssr
[00:48:18] was one of the greatest catastrophes of the twentieth century
[00:48:25] maybe you'll agree
[00:48:28] not only
[00:48:29] was their incalculable harm done to every single country
[00:48:33] under its banner, child prostitution,
[00:48:38] skyrocketing suicide rates, life expectancy plummeting.
[00:48:43] But America was no longer contested around the globe.
[00:48:49] And it is precisely because of the end
[00:48:52] to that multi-polarity that we saw accelerated neoliberalism
[00:48:58] that is devastating every western nation right now, unlimited and unchecked greed.
[00:49:11] Our successes are leading to our own demise and the demise and collapse of the liberal
[00:49:17] system.
[00:49:21] The U.S. has produced disaster after disaster after disaster.
[00:49:28] to the US ruling class. Isn't China an ideological opponent? No, nowhere near the same. China
[00:49:38] is not the same as the USSR. China participates in the global system in very meaningful ways.
[00:49:44] China actually is the load-bearing structure that keeps the entire global design together.
[00:49:53] Ironically enough the USSR did not play a similar role in the global system as China does
[00:50:00] Like think about
[00:50:02] Like a collapse of China right now
[00:50:05] Obviously, it's not gonna happen, but a collapse of China right now
[00:50:08] similar to
[00:50:09] the collapse of the USSR would
[00:50:13] lead to to far more devastating global outcomes
[00:50:18] Whereas the USSR's collapse led to major
[00:50:23] Major catastrophe in that region, its global impact was not as direct, whereas if China
[00:50:33] collapsed tomorrow, the entire supply chain would be destroyed.
[00:50:38] China is the manufacturing hub of the entire planet.
[00:50:40] China participates in the global system in much more meaningful ways than the USSR ever
[00:50:45] did.
[00:50:46] So, you know, load off the labor of the Chinese workers.
[00:51:06] Yes, China has bailed us out in the 2008 financial crisis.
[00:51:09] You're right about that.
[00:51:10] But in any case, let's continue.
[00:51:13] So, it's very funny that, of course, the RNC would take this anti-intellectual stance.
[00:51:24] And I didn't even realize like, I actually straight up explained the position fairly
[00:51:29] well here.
[00:51:32] So they did this thing where it's not even fucking out of context.
[00:51:40] i'm sorry to say but i think the people are just are ready for the phrase
[00:51:42] that you should put the proletariat
[00:51:44] uh... i don't really really works in english given the modern connotation
[00:51:46] same way they're already hearsay
[00:51:48] uh... to do as a propaganda i don't care
[00:51:51] i'm gonna say regardless because it it probably makes people a little bit
[00:51:54] more curious
[00:51:55] uh... and also
[00:51:57] uh... the american eyes version of the dictatorship of the proletariat is
[00:52:00] the tyranny of the majority
[00:52:05] americans have a distaste towards the tyranny of the majority that's why
[00:52:08] uh... you know
[00:52:09] they they
[00:52:11] constantly talk about the need for the electoral college in all these like
[00:52:14] undemocratic systems that were implemented
[00:52:17] but the tyranny of majority is just democracy
[00:52:20] a dictatorship of the proletariat is just democracy it's theoretical
[00:52:25] democracy is the purest form of the democratic process
[00:52:32] america's might turn around and say that's mob rule but
[00:52:36] just democracy because what is the inverse of the tyranny of majority is
[00:52:39] the tyranny of minority
[00:52:41] the dictatorship of the bourgeois
[00:52:44] right
[00:52:46] that's it
[00:52:55] so yeah
[00:52:59] maybe they are prepared to hear the word dictation it don't matter
[00:53:01] because i mentioned the dictatorship of
[00:53:04] the minority, the capital owning class.
[00:53:08] Do you not think that there will be volatility and harm in the demise of the American Empire
[00:53:11] that could rival that of the fall of the USSR? Well, if you paid attention to my speech, that's
[00:53:16] precisely what I was trying to factor in, because I'm seeing something quite similar.
[00:53:23] I'm seeing something quite similar take place right now in the United States of America,
[00:53:29] it's actually far more consequential and far worse, but like I think that we have the the power
[00:53:39] to make sure that that retreat is managed and it's managed in a way that is beneficial for
[00:53:45] everyone and we yield a more egalitarian society in the aftermath of such incidents.
[00:53:51] That was the entire point of my speech, at least. So, this was another...
[00:54:04] Manages to be $361 billion larger than last year's despite cutting $300 billion in social
[00:54:14] programs and you know 74 you you know 74 God damn thank you thank you for the 50
[00:54:24] bones holy shit all of that money is going to policing and it's going to
[00:54:33] endless war it's not going to bridges it's not going to tunnels and it's
[00:54:39] certainly not going to health care every single one of you regardless of your
[00:54:46] political affiliations or your ideology should consider that money to be stolen
[00:54:51] from you
[00:54:56] Trump's budget
[00:55:00] how to track him with his sir stomps not distracting at all why our chat is
[00:55:04] talking optics and speech wasn't for the modern Democrats or Republicans
[00:55:07] you're talking to politics inclined youth at a revered university it was for the kids in the room and
[00:55:10] just so having to be streamed to everyone yeah it's really funny that people are making it seem
[00:55:14] like this was my stump speech at like a fucking uh michigan rally or something
[00:55:24] um and this was actually i mean i'll be honest like i i pulled back i pulled back on on uh more
[00:55:32] radical elements of my speech on purpose because I assumed that the the room would not be super
[00:55:37] receptive to it because it's Yale after all right like these are the sons and daughters of of
[00:55:44] incredibly wealthy individuals and therefore my expectation was going to be that they would not
[00:55:50] be positive about such you know radical statements but what's really interesting
[00:56:00] about it is I was wrong because this diva cooked right after me at the international corporate
[00:56:06] conglomerates that our governments serve america is not and has never been the glinge pain sinching
[00:56:13] together the democratic free world we toppled a yen day to install finna shea in the 70s provided
[00:56:19] financial backing to the fascist argentinian kuntas supplied unconditional support to yeltsin
[00:56:25] chief architect of the modern Russian oligarchy during the Soviet collapse of the 90s.
[00:56:30] And today we bankroll the genocidal apartheid Israeli regime,
[00:56:35] playing defense in the UN for the anal gang-right of Palestinian prisoners with rusty metal poles.
[00:56:42] We have set a global historical precedent for draconian drug laws,
[00:56:46] upending entire economies with gang warfare,
[00:56:49] driven by the American elite's unquenchable twin desires for coke and bloodshed.
[00:56:54] We have set back progress, combating the climate crisis that threatens the imminent annihilation of life on earth, of the International Corporate...
[00:57:05] She's the exact opposite of the redheaded kid from Cambridge, but she cooked hard. Yeah, no, she she popped the fuck off.
[00:57:11] off. Also, it's really funny, because I do realize now, when I was speaking, because
[00:57:23] I had a mic already, March had the other mic, that's why you heard the hisses a lot louder.
[00:57:27] I'm beginning to realize that's why you guys were fucking complaining so much. Because
[00:57:32] you can still hear the hisses, but there's just not as loud anymore, because the mic
[00:57:35] is now on the podium, because March went up there and put his mic on the podium,
[00:57:40] so you guys can hear the other speaker in the room.
[00:57:42] So that makes a lot more sense.
[00:57:44] Another quote unquote, more benevolent empire.
[00:57:47] What I and what the left project in general is aiming for
[00:57:50] is the complete dissolution of that hierarchical system
[00:57:54] of international control, power, and economic promotion.
[00:57:59] Where power should end up and where power should resolve
[00:58:02] is in the international hands of people, of human beings,
[00:58:07] Non-fotomants, non-offer-fleeters, non-stock traders, not of the monsters who would bomb life on earth into oblivion for another scent in their stock portfolio.
[00:58:23] That was so good.
[00:58:25] I have been playing too much Minecraft my six year old saw the hissing was giving me flashbacks
[00:58:40] we live in polarizing times don't be conciliatory towards the right is on
[00:58:46] Okay, chatters. I think I had the right amount. Did your dad enjoy it? Yes. Did your faith in youth
[00:59:02] get restored? Yes and no. It was the right amount. It was the right amount. And I'm very happy with
[00:59:15] it. Because I'm not just speaking into that room as you guys have seen. I'm
[00:59:23] speaking to the entire Fox News audience.
[00:59:31] So, I was very happy with the speech. I was very happy with the reception. And
[00:59:41] And your fit was way better by the way loved it. Thank you
[00:59:51] Can you talk about the specific Yale political parties in attendance particularly menace who's drinking yeah
[00:59:55] There's like different factions in the Yale political Union you got left
[00:59:58] You apparently the communists were also a part of the Yale political Union, but they separated you have the progressive wing
[01:00:05] You have the centrist wing
[01:00:08] I think like I'm not entirely certain about the different factions, but you have the right-wing of the far right
[01:00:17] So you have the Tories there's seven parties total I believe and
[01:00:28] It was
[01:00:30] It was a really interesting it was a really interesting conversation really interesting back and forth
[01:00:36] but yeah
[01:00:37] It was funny with this one where his argument was we need to rebuild this empire because this one sucks
[01:00:53] I was gonna ask that same question to but I didn't want to
[01:00:56] Constantly be on the podium asking questions, but so I was laughing because he asked that question
[01:01:01] It's like so if means justify the ends like what do you do like what about genocide?
[01:01:07] is, you know, the group that makes the sizable portion of this population would, something
[01:01:14] like a mass extension, like a mass termination, or like a mass disenfranchising of this group
[01:01:21] never be justified, because of the way that the gentleman, the opposite misuse of that
[01:01:27] kind of thing, it seems like this and the reason why.
[01:01:31] So.
[01:01:32] Where was Anvil liberal Hitler?
[01:01:34] Absolutely.
[01:01:35] I mean, this was supposed to be in the affirmative too.
[01:01:54] This was supposed to be a defense of collapsing the US Empire.
[01:02:01] And he took a very interesting pivot that ended up defending what the spirit of of American
[01:02:12] Empire was supposed to be.
[01:02:18] This guy was trolling, correct?
[01:02:19] No, I don't think so.
[01:02:21] What is this?
[01:02:23] What was the point of defeating the Nazis if we went on to dominate so much of the
[01:02:27] globe as violently as we have, so that we could have the rest of the world to ourselves.
[01:02:33] The Guatemalan President Juan Jose Arvayo delivered a speech at the height of the American pressure
[01:02:39] campaign that kind of channels that exact same question.
[01:02:44] Before the coup d'etat, he said these words, and I think those words still ring true today.
[01:02:51] He said, and I quote, the war that began in 1939 ended.
[01:02:58] But in the ideological dialogue between the two worlds
[01:03:01] and two leaders, Roosevelt lost the war.
[01:03:05] The real victor was Adolf Hitler.
[01:03:07] It is my personal opinion that the contemporary world
[01:03:11] is moved by the ideas that served
[01:03:14] as the foundation on which Hitler rose to power.
[01:03:18] 70 years later, I think history has proven our avalo right.
[01:03:24] In place after place, time after time,
[01:03:28] the United States can never settle down its imperial bloodlust,
[01:03:32] this forever hunt for manifest destiny.
[01:03:37] We can draw a straight line from indigenous massacres
[01:03:41] of the early United States to the 20th century killing
[01:03:45] fields that we have created in the third wall.
[01:04:08] I feel like you spoke the truth that a lot of people
[01:04:09] haven't heard or haven't been raised to argue against,
[01:04:11] which is a great depiction of society as a whole.
[01:04:13] This was by far your best performance data,
[01:04:15] In my opinion, other species have been superb, but this one gave theatrics and made it much
[01:04:19] more enjoyable.
[01:04:26] So yeah, I mean, it was, I think it was really good.
[01:04:35] I think it was a really productive experience.
[01:04:38] Fox News has started mentioning you for three minutes every hour at the top of the hour,
[01:04:42] Unless you subscribe for $6 or for free, that's a prime sub, hell yeah.
[01:04:49] Thank you for reminding me.
[01:04:51] Stomping is in support, hissing is against, but the hissing could be against me or the
[01:04:57] hissing could be like a boo against me saying like fuck Trump, you know what I mean?
[01:05:03] So when you say like, when I mentioned Trump, there's like people hissing because they
[01:05:06] hate Trump, right?
[01:05:07] It's just, it's for both at the same time.
[01:05:14] Decoy 1666, thank you for the five get the subs.
[01:05:33] Party of the right is chock full of freakish legacies of essayers when I was on campus, the impotent rage of these losers caused an attempted homicide suicide. Wait, what the fuck?
[01:05:44] That's insane. Okay.
[01:05:49] What stands vote on American Empire, the guys sitting next to you have? Um, I don't think they voted, but, uh, as far as the resolution goes, as far as the resolution goes, it won overwhelmingly. It was like 54 to 31 or something.
[01:06:03] Um, so
[01:06:07] No one asked if you're anti-semitic planted
[01:06:11] Yeah
[01:06:13] Dude, we do have a crisis in anti intellectualism in this country though
[01:06:17] It's kind of funny that a lot of these like centrist liberals who face see themselves to be quite the intellectual the studied
[01:06:25] knowers of history the ball knowers on ironically engaging the exact same fucking
[01:06:31] on
[01:06:32] Unironically engaged in the exact same bullshit that right wingers do whenever they are
[01:06:39] Whenever they have to address like a position to their left
[01:06:43] Right. It's so funny. That's like this is the point. I was trying to make earlier, which is like
[01:06:49] These guys these centrist guys on the timeline being like all this guy's so stupid for saying dictatorship of the proletariat
[01:06:57] blah blah blah all the shit like
[01:06:59] Or even the USSR quote that they
[01:07:03] Even the USSR quote that they like misunderstood even though context is like straight up in the fucking clip that the RNC posted
[01:07:13] Some people are saying oh, this is what Vladimir Putin said this guy's a real putler right he loves putler
[01:07:19] He loves Adolf putler right and then some people are saying oh this guy's a real subversive
[01:07:24] He hates America. He's an American hater. And it's like unbelievably frustrating to hear that from
[01:07:31] supposedly well-educated liberals who think that
[01:07:36] They they have a lot more intellectual curiosity and
[01:07:41] And are a lot more intelligent than the average fucking Republican
[01:07:45] But the moment that they encounter any sort of
[01:07:48] of dialectical materialism, historical materialism,
[01:07:52] any sort of like Marxist thought,
[01:07:55] they automatically turn into reactionaries.
[01:07:58] And it's very frustrating to encounter.
[01:08:01] It's unbelievably annoying.
[01:08:06] It's just, yeah, it's dogmatic liberalism,
[01:08:09] and it's just frustrating.
[01:08:14] Like be fucking more charitable,
[01:08:16] try to understand the position that I'm advancing
[01:08:19] and then argue against it instead of arguing over it
[01:08:22] and leaning into all of the idiotic red scare propaganda.
[01:08:28] They have blind spots for your commenters
[01:08:30] so they can't argue from a logistical framework
[01:08:31] and instead fall back on reaction.
[01:08:32] Yeah, it's just, it's so fucking frustrating
[01:08:38] because I've had fairly solid conversations
[01:08:41] with liberals, okay?
[01:08:43] even dogmatic ones who, at the very least, are curious about alternative modes of production,
[01:08:52] different historical figures.
[01:08:54] You have to understand them better if you want to make a more convincing argument.
[01:09:00] I understand liberalism because I live in it, right?
[01:09:05] Liberalism is the hegemonic superstructure.
[01:09:07] It's the monoculture.
[01:09:08] It's everything that we live and breathe.
[01:09:10] So I understand it very well.
[01:09:12] But these guys don't choose to understand Marxism or Marxist perspectives at all, and they just
[01:09:19] do the exact same thought-terminating cliches that the right applies in the most heinous
[01:09:27] reactionary framework imaginable.
[01:09:37] They generally think speaking about leftist leaders in the past is a sin or something.
[01:09:41] No, they just, they immediately hit the, oh, he's anti-American, look at him, he's a campus,
[01:09:46] he's a campus, he's anti-American, he's anti-West, he's anti-American. Not realizing that the argument
[01:09:52] that supplants, the argument that is the foundations, the foundations of said argument,
[01:10:03] it.
[01:10:04] Unironically, are the exact same as the reactionary right, okay?
[01:10:15] What is this?
[01:10:16] This is who the Democrats are humming and hollering about being in the tent for democracy.
[01:10:19] He agitatively, welcomeingly, wants democracy to die in a communist regime to take its place,
[01:10:22] like all the worst communist regimes being led by larping bourgeois male.
[01:10:26] What the fuck?
[01:10:28] Again, this stems from just an inability to comprehend what these words mean.
[01:10:34] You just hear certain key words, although you fancy yourself to be like an intellectual,
[01:10:40] I don't know if this person does.
[01:10:44] But you harp on what these words imply.
[01:10:51] Okay?
[01:10:54] Oh my God, not Epstein's Gisling. Oh, okay. That's molestine's annoying Canadian.
[01:11:13] Chinese netizens on bilibili love the speech. I've never seen someone criticize US imperialism
[01:11:19] so fiercely and their live-speaking skills are excellent too. Their being is proper
[01:11:22] neither submissive nor overbearing, shushing the crowd, below won't work, as honest,
[01:11:26] seeing all kinds of big scenes. Let's be direct. Unipolar hegemony or global prosperity,
[01:11:30] future lies in wandering your own country or going where the world needs you.
[01:11:34] Burry the United States decline or rise against it, be a rival or a partner to the global community.
[01:11:38] Does someone in the audience bring a snake? Chen Dushu of the United States of America.
[01:11:43] The speech level is very solid. It's a bit too harsh, feels even more critical than any
[01:11:46] article about the U.S. I've seen domestically. Where you stand depends on where you sit.
[01:11:51] beneficiary groups will only do their utmost to maintain the status quo. It's
[01:11:55] right to lecture American students and frontline workers more. They are the
[01:11:58] ones more eager for change, but we need a complete set of theories and practical
[01:12:01] solutions. This speech shows us on as a contentious person, well said, followed
[01:12:05] and triple supported. Keep it up. Chinese netizens react to the Yale
[01:12:09] speech that I delivered.
[01:12:13] So, I think it's just, I don't know how to explain it, I find it to be so like, you're
[01:12:29] so intellectually incurious.
[01:12:31] How do you live like that?
[01:12:33] How do you choose to live like that, especially when you're like, oh, I read many books, right?
[01:12:38] I read many books.
[01:12:39] smarter than the average Republican, and yet you pivot to the same exact reactionary framework.
[01:12:45] Fear, Western chauvinism, guides your perspective. The fear of the unknown, and the assumption
[01:12:52] that like what we've done to the rest of the world will inevitably turn to a revenge
[01:12:57] campaign and it will be done to us, like, you know, the Third World will rise up
[01:13:02] and dominate us in the same exact way that we've dominated them. Like, it's ridiculous.
[01:13:06] It's shown time and time again not to be the case, right?
[01:13:11] Those who were subjugated do not turn around once they're emancipated and do that exact
[01:13:16] same sort of violence to those who subjugated them.
[01:13:19] It's just not how it works.
[01:13:25] Anyway.
[01:13:31] This was one of the retorts, one of the responses, where he in his speech talked about like social
[01:13:41] liberalism has to be enforced upon people through American imperialism, which I thought
[01:13:46] was bad.
[01:13:47] And then he also said a couple of things that were just like straight up untrue about
[01:13:51] like Cuba and Venezuela being a narco-terrorism hubs, which was interesting because he's
[01:13:58] said that he was a progressive and yet he was like channeling Donald Trump there
[01:14:01] something that Donald Trump himself has actually dropped or his FBI's actually
[01:14:04] dropped consequence of America's power waning on the global stage because
[01:14:08] empire does feel threatened
[01:14:12] so I think your first question was like free speech and relations to liberal
[01:14:17] democracy so I agree I think like I'm one of the big ones that like condemns
[01:14:20] like the like Americans who like jailed in the Red Scare and all those things
[01:14:25] I actually think that like we're actually pretty good at like actually protecting actual free speech right now
[01:14:32] I don't think people are actually like jailed or anything. I think like one of the most dangerous
[01:14:38] Attacks on free speech is to sort of more like institutional one like the ones that's happening like schools all over like the South for example
[01:14:46] Where you can't teach for race theory?
[01:14:48] But once again, I think one of my main points
[01:14:51] is that this sort of first speech is, I think, unique.
[01:14:54] And even unique to America compared to the rest of the West,
[01:14:57] for example, the UK, where they get a sense or anything.
[01:15:01] But I think the state of free speech in America.
[01:15:11] This was the other answer, I think.
[01:15:13] Collection 2028.
[01:15:14] That's how we saw that.
[01:15:15] I forget your third question.
[01:15:17] Oh, it's just Venezuela and Cuba being narcos.
[01:15:20] Where do you got that information from?
[01:15:22] I'm not the greatest expert on cartels.
[01:15:27] But I'm pretty sure, for example,
[01:15:30] I can't tell you the history of research for you.
[01:15:33] But I'm pretty sure Cuba, for example,
[01:15:35] makes a significant amount of money
[01:15:37] as a middle point between South America and the cartels.
[01:15:43] And America.
[01:15:45] and it's like planes take off from there and there's like some evidence that like
[01:15:50] the government has cooperated saying I think similar in Venezuela
[01:15:56] I mean it's like wrong to sort of like say that they haven't cooperated
[01:16:01] Yeah, it's not it's not true. That's just objectively untrue
[01:16:06] Two separate prosecutions have taken place here. Donald Trump actually tried to get the uh, the uh, Florida prosecutor to bring up drug trafficking charges
[01:16:15] against the current Cuban administration and they failed to materialize any evidence
[01:16:21] whatsoever because it doesn't exist. And the FBI itself on the initial narco-trafficking
[01:16:27] charges for the president of Venezuela, Maduro, had to drop those charges because there
[01:16:36] wasn't sufficient evidence to actually prosecute Maduro on drug trafficking charges either.
[01:16:42] So none of those facts don't exist.
[01:16:49] They are so non-existent that even the American government has attempted to advance cases,
[01:16:59] and they failed to do so.
[01:17:01] at all. For perhaps a final question. So, wait, so why is he in custody? I mean, there's
[01:17:24] a litany of other charges, and also it doesn't even matter.
[01:17:31] You think America needs to bring sufficient charges to fucking prosecute foreign leadership?
[01:17:45] I think we've already established that America is accountable to no one, not even Americans
[01:17:52] mind you. So, it's ironic because Cuba used to be a narco trafficking hub. That was before
[01:18:12] the Cuban Revolution. Just a correction, you're still being charged with drug trafficking.
[01:18:21] They weren't dropped, the only charge, the only change was removing stuff about Cartel
[01:18:25] de la Solis from the indictment.
[01:18:27] Yeah, they removed the Cartel de la Solis from the indictment because they don't have
[01:18:31] sufficient evidence, which is the key connective tissue between narco-trafficking charges
[01:18:37] directed at Maduro.
[01:18:41] That was the whole thing that claimed that he was a lynchpin.
[01:18:48] It was also made up. It was made up, I believe in the 90s, also by the State Department,
[01:18:56] but there was no evidence for it whatsoever. Anyway, yeah, the only institution working
[01:19:04] with Narcos was under Batista. Yes, it used to be the case. It stopped being the case
[01:19:11] after the Cuban Revolution, ironically enough.
[01:19:13] So, that was the factual inaccuracy that I addressed.
[01:19:20] Here is Fox News covering it as well.
[01:19:24] Far-Lift Shimmer-Sanpaikov continues sympathizing with America's enemies this time,
[01:19:27] seeming the more in the loss of the Soviet Union in a yellow university debate,
[01:19:30] saying the fall of the USSR was one of the greatest catastrophes of the 20th century.
[01:19:33] This comes just days after Paikov doubled down on supporting Hamas terrorists over the Israeli government.
[01:19:43] Fox is obsessed with me every day every fucking day they bring me up which again I welcome
[01:19:56] I don't think it's a bad thing I think this is a good thing once again
[01:20:07] the power guy is so fucking factually wrong his speech was full of his speech was fully
[01:20:12] inaccurate. This was seriously docked points for falseness on this insane rhetoric from historical
[01:20:17] empires to the idea of ethno-nationalism, which is a very modern thing. Yeah.
[01:20:26] I don't think the argument being made was that America would be punished by those we've subjugated.
[01:20:30] The argument is that empires are going to exist in some form with or without American empire.
[01:20:33] No, some people were saying that. Some people were presenting that as the counterargument
[01:20:39] And that others were saying, empire is going to exist.
[01:20:41] That's the first speech that was delivered after me saying,
[01:20:44] empire is going to exist in some form with or without the American empire.
[01:20:47] The argument is that the American empire existing from the war,
[01:20:49] exiting from the world stage doesn't mean we move to a system of global cooperation.
[01:20:53] Yes.
[01:20:55] Um, I agree.
[01:20:59] Except what I tried to ask them, uh, the first speaker was basically one,
[01:21:06] what is your evidence that another global superpower is automatically going to take advantage of the
[01:21:11] power vacuum that exists, and two, what makes you believe that the new system of cooperation
[01:21:17] potentially, or even like a new unipolarity, or even a single empire-controlled world,
[01:21:29] is not going to look like an evolution, like the American Empire's evolution from the previous
[01:21:38] global design, which was, by your own admission, far better.
[01:21:48] That was the most sympathetic I could be, the most open-minded I could be to his argument, but
[01:21:53] But my assessment is, I don't know what it would look like or how it would take shape.
[01:22:03] I just know that this current iteration is unbelievably violent and I have a firm commitment
[01:22:14] to ensuring that whatever comes next is much more egalitarian, much more cooperative.
[01:22:26] Just as the American Empire and liberal capitalism, global liberal capitalism was an infinitely
[01:22:33] better formation as opposed to, you know, the monarchy, theocratic monarchy dominated
[01:22:40] world rule. I don't think anyone is saying that feudalism is preferable to capitalism.
[01:22:47] I'm certainly not saying that. Karl Marx also was not saying that either. He was actually
[01:22:54] explaining that this was an industrial revolution and capitalism was a far more
[01:23:00] preferable system in comparison, a far better system, a far more efficient system in comparison to
[01:23:05] to the feudal rulership, Indibi, thank you for the fire through and give the subs.
[01:23:14] My argument is what comes next after US hegemony is destroyed will also be far better, a far
[01:23:22] better evolution than what the U.S. hegemony currently looks like.
[01:23:30] Anyway, daily wire, Federman issues, automated into DEMs, Israel or raging anti-Semites like
[01:23:50] This is like, again, this is a very funny ultimatum that John Fetterman, the least liked Democrat in Congress, is issuing to the rest of his party because you're not even a part of the party, you fucking ogre.
[01:24:08] That's number one and two.
[01:24:10] This reminds me of like those early Harvard-Harris polls where they would literally ask like
[01:24:18] college students like, do you prefer the Islamic militancy of Hamas or the beautiful nation-state,
[01:24:24] the bountiful democracy of Israel?
[01:24:27] And even in those two insane questions where like obviously they're trying to generate
[01:24:33] as much of a positive response to Israel as possible, there was still like a quarter
[01:24:37] the students who were like, yeah, I prefer the Islamic militancy of Hamas, right? If you force
[01:24:42] people into these two different brackets, they're probably going to choose me over Israel, right?
[01:24:53] Maybe not the democratic politicians, but certainly if you were to ask random voters,
[01:25:00] do you prefer this random American political commentator who sometimes can be vulgar,
[01:25:05] who's anti-Israel or do you prefer the nation's state of Israel?
[01:25:08] Well, the voters have already overwhelmingly made their decision.
[01:25:15] Okay.
[01:25:19] So, very stupid to consistently present me as an opt to Israel when it's a 90-10 issue.
[01:25:29] There's obviously more that I will discuss on this as well.
[01:25:35] Hassan Piker's demo is wider than Demi's thing. This is from Brianna Perez. We'll watch this and then there's a complimentary piece
[01:25:43] to this both from SEMA4 and
[01:25:47] also
[01:25:49] Complimentary piece from SEMA4 that Dave Weigel wrote the fizzling of piker gate shows cancer culture maybe over with campaigns and
[01:25:56] then also a new poll that came out from Zateo Zateo pulled the Michigan race and
[01:26:02] and even polled myself and my appearance alongside Abdel El Sayed to see what the voters in Michigan truly feel about this.
[01:26:11] And I have my favorability numbers now, my new favorability numbers, especially amongst the youth, 18 to 44.
[01:26:20] And obviously I'll be talking about all of that and what these polls actually show, which is exactly what I've been saying.
[01:26:29] non-stop for not only the past month when this new cancel has on smear campaign
[01:26:38] started, but also what I said prior to this past month when Cuomo tried to do
[01:26:44] this exact same thing. Okay?
[01:26:49] In any case, where is it?
[01:27:00] Let's start here first.
[01:27:01] Hassan Piker's demo is wider than Dem's demo.
[01:27:03] Not a mental misunderstanding, but establishment Dems have about Hassan Piker that I have
[01:27:06] yet to see addressed.
[01:27:08] And that is this myopic understanding of who makes up his audience.
[01:27:13] And this is a big focus of even individuals that are urging Democrats to take Hassan
[01:27:19] Piker more seriously or just not write him off completely. And that's this idea that
[01:27:23] Hassan Piker's audience, the people he gets through to are a demographic that the DNC
[01:27:30] doesn't get through to. Primarily younger, mostly men in their early 20s. But you know who else is
[01:27:37] a huge fan of Hassan Piker? My mother. And no, I will have you know that it's not because
[01:27:43] she finds him handsome. Apparently he's not her type. But to be clear, she and I don't see
[01:27:48] eye-to-eye on a lot of stuff politically speaking and that's kind of my point. He's speaking to a
[01:27:53] much broader range of people than many Democrats and pundits really seem to realize. She, by all
[01:28:03] accounts, should be the Democratic Party's bread and butter. Lifelong, blue voter, middle class,
[01:28:09] mid-60s, raised in a blue state, living in a purple state, grew up on Bill Maher, who she was
[01:28:15] a big fan of until, in my opinion, way too recently, who even overseas managed to raise
[01:28:21] a toddler who recognized two people on TV by name by the age of two, Michelle from Full
[01:28:27] House and President Kinton.
[01:28:29] And yet she's traded in Bill Maher for Hassan Piker.
[01:28:33] To be fair, this is obviously anecdotal evidence.
[01:28:36] And specifically in my mom's case, the reason she knows about Hassan Piker is because
[01:28:40] he featured one of my clips on his stream, so she looked him up.
[01:28:43] But after watching that, and then one other video of his, she was hooked.
[01:28:48] But also, she's not the only boomer.
[01:28:50] This is a very common experience.
[01:28:52] This is why, at first, when we went to rallies, it was just young people.
[01:28:57] And now, it's both young people and their parents, okay?
[01:29:01] It's very, it's normal.
[01:29:03] And the reason for why this is such a common experience, a commonly shared experience by
[01:29:07] many of you in this chat as well, many in this community as well, is because
[01:29:13] The message resonates regardless.
[01:29:16] It's not like, I'm not tailoring my commentary
[01:29:19] specifically towards young men.
[01:29:21] Although, you know, when I first started this,
[01:29:24] I was a young man.
[01:29:26] Now I'm 34, still technically young in comparison
[01:29:29] to my counterparts, but certainly wouldn't say
[01:29:34] I'm a young man, don't feel like a young man anyway.
[01:29:37] But the point I'm making is like the resentments
[01:29:40] I am communicating both against the Republican Party and the growth of
[01:29:46] fascism in this country, but also the the feckless ineptitude of the Democrats,
[01:29:50] that resentment exists out there in the ether, okay? That resentment exists in the
[01:29:58] fucking ether and it's very frustrating that a lot of Democrats, a lot of
[01:30:04] consultants, a lot of campaigners, a lot of analysts,
[01:30:11] the lanyard class, they refuse to recognize
[01:30:14] that there is real resentment, or rather,
[01:30:17] they want to not listen to that resentment at all
[01:30:22] because they're banking on the idea
[01:30:25] that harm reduction will be enough
[01:30:28] to carry over their neoliberal, corporate-sponsored
[01:30:32] democratic candidates
[01:30:34] over the finish line
[01:30:36] okay
[01:30:39] yeah i saw this
[01:30:40] notice i was on as described in purely negative terms of this poll
[01:30:43] and campaigning with them is still not positive by ten points as insanely good
[01:30:48] a plurality of democratic primary voters approved outside inviting a song by
[01:30:51] good campaign rallies recently democratic u.s. senate candidate doctor obu
[01:30:54] said and also some by their left wing political commentator would join him
[01:30:57] a campaign rather college camps on april seven uh... april seven
[01:31:00] al-Sayed's opponents have criticized those plan rallies, choosing a psalm piker of anti-semitism
[01:31:05] and highlighting past controversial remarks. al-Sayed has argued that criticism of Israel
[01:31:09] should not be confused with anti-semitism, and he defended those rallies with piker.
[01:31:13] Do you approve or disapprove Dr. Abdul-Al-Sayed inviting a piker to join those rallies?
[01:31:17] Some would approve at 25%, strongly approve at 15%, don't know at 30%, and some would
[01:31:22] disapprove at 17%, strongly disapprove at 13%.
[01:31:28] So even when it's like positioned as a negative thing, majority of people don't know you.
[01:31:36] Of course they don't.
[01:31:39] Why is this shocking to any of you?
[01:31:42] It shouldn't be shocking to any of you.
[01:31:44] If you listen to what I have said, since the Cuomo campaign decided to take on the Hassan
[01:31:51] derangement syndrome is like a like a primary vehicle to
[01:31:56] To potentially bring in a shit ton of voters
[01:31:59] I've been saying most people don't know who the fuck I am
[01:32:03] So they just look at these mailers that they sent out and go who is this handsome young fellow?
[01:32:08] That they're saying is like a dangerous radical. Let me look them up and they get hit in the face with the meat pick
[01:32:14] Okay, or they just you know
[01:32:17] They just Google my name and it's like the New York Times piece that comes up, right?
[01:32:31] It's just I know this that's why I'm
[01:32:37] That's why I'm frustrated by the the endless like C of
[01:32:42] manufactured outrage even if it's beneficial for me because one
[01:32:47] who likes to be professionally misunderstood. Okay? Every time I think a song might be cool,
[01:32:57] I have to remind myself when he says this kind of thing, he actually just means present
[01:33:01] China. Wait, what?
[01:33:05] Ayayayay, okay, dude.
[01:33:10] I will defend any entity that tames the forces of capital.
[01:33:19] Okay? That's it. I will, I will defend any, no matter how incremental, any force that seeks to regulate
[01:33:30] Regulate or control or even tame the force of capital China has been able to do that
[01:33:36] Okay
[01:33:38] This doesn't mean China is perfect. This doesn't mean China is
[01:33:42] Abiding by some sort of orthodox Marxist Leninist tradition
[01:33:51] But in comparison to in comparison to
[01:33:55] What modern America looks like is a great power in comparison to modern-day China obviously one has been infinitely more successful in controlling the flows of capital
[01:34:12] Yeah, I saw the Israeli government released official ranking the most dangerous and influential anti semites and I'm not even in the top 10
[01:34:17] By the way, so I find that very odd
[01:34:25] In any case, yeah, I fell off. I'm not even in the top ten anti-Semites. So we'll get
[01:34:40] back into the, we'll get back to the, to that poll in a second.
[01:34:45] In my family, who's heard of him and likes him. I think one of the reasons people are
[01:34:50] underestimating Hassan's audience and reach is because they are fundamentally misunderstanding
[01:34:55] how media works these days. They're looking specifically at his Twitch streaming audience,
[01:35:01] which sure, probably largely young men in their early 20s, but I would posit to say the vast
[01:35:07] majority of Hassan piker watchers don't actually watch him live. I get him on my feeds on verticals.
[01:35:13] My mother watches him on YouTube, and I think that just makes it a lot harder to quantify
[01:35:18] and track his very real reach.
[01:35:20] And by the way, this has very real effects.
[01:35:23] Just today, she told me about a candidate
[01:35:25] she had just heard about that she loved, Abdul El Sayed.
[01:35:29] And why had she heard of him?
[01:35:30] Because of Hassan Piker.
[01:35:32] So not only is Hassan speaking to demographics
[01:35:34] that the establishment dems have yet to capture,
[01:35:36] he is speaking to the demographics
[01:35:38] that they take 100% for granted.
[01:35:41] And they're clearly, severely underestimating
[01:35:44] who exactly in this country is feeling so much discontent
[01:35:47] with them and their policies.
[01:35:49] Dems aren't just out of touch with people
[01:35:51] they have yet to excite or capture.
[01:35:53] They're falling out of touch with the people
[01:35:54] they've always assumed would be there.
[01:35:57] Sound the way they're wrong.
[01:35:58] Yeah.
[01:36:01] 100%, no notes.
[01:36:03] Cause once again,
[01:36:06] this is in line with the same thing
[01:36:08] that I was talking about before, right?
[01:36:12] Where people have this like weird fantasy about,
[01:36:16] Oh, if someone were to, if someone in the real world
[01:36:20] were to encounter, do you see these?
[01:36:22] What is this?
[01:36:24] I don't know.
[01:36:26] I don't think I have.
[01:36:29] If someone were to encounter Hasan's message
[01:36:32] in the real world, would fucking beat him to death
[01:36:35] with hammers, a real working class champion would kill him.
[01:36:39] And it's very stupid, that's a very stupid argument,
[01:36:43] okay?
[01:36:44] The idea that I'm only, the idea, I did it F, whoa, what the fuck?
[01:36:52] Uh-oh, is it still Fing?
[01:36:56] What is happening?
[01:36:57] Why is this happening?
[01:37:00] I'm not experiencing any issues on my end.
[01:37:02] Hold on, hold on, I'll fix it.
[01:37:06] I'm gonna hit the ingest fix real quick.
[01:37:13] This is happening.
[01:37:14] on hold on
[01:37:21] nope still exists that's weird
[01:37:32] it's not on my internet side
[01:37:36] i think it's fixed now okay it's good for now
[01:37:40] Oh, nope, spoke too soon.
[01:37:42] What the fuck?
[01:37:45] What the fuck is going on?
[01:37:49] This is very weird.
[01:37:50] Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
[01:37:55] Ah, do do do do do do do do do.
[01:38:01] What the fuck?
[01:38:06] What the fuck is happening?
[01:38:10] Let me see if I can get a quick fix going, but it's definitely not on, it's not on my
[01:38:25] end.
[01:38:26] It's like a, it's an issue born out of the, hold on.
[01:38:37] hold on hold on hold hold hold hold
[01:38:47] what the fuck is the group chat I'm trying to figure out the fucking group chat
[01:38:54] I think it's fixed for now though as soon as I say I think it's fixed for now though it usually ends up being an issue so who knows
[01:39:07] All right. Hold on.
[01:39:17] There is a...
[01:39:20] M is real high. M is real high. M is real high. M is real high.
[01:39:29] Where internet speeds are fine.
[01:39:37] I see spikes and drops and artifacting on my stream output.
[01:39:57] Okay.
[01:39:59] Okay, we're good for now.
[01:40:04] I think we're good for now, hopefully. Okay, let's continue. So, as I was saying, as I
[01:40:16] was saying, here, let's take a look at these takes real quick. Dems want left-leaning podcast
[01:40:24] and streamers as mouthpieces, just like right-wing podcast and streamers. Yeah.
[01:40:28] and whether or not presidential candidates should go on his podcast, I realized that
[01:40:36] centrist Democrats, the Democratic Party, Democratic strategists, they want access to
[01:40:42] streamers, they want access to podcasters, specifically the audiences that these figures
[01:40:49] have, and they want a Joe Rogan of the left, but they specifically want a Joe Rogan of
[01:40:58] the left. By that I mean they want someone like Joe Rogan who had Trump on his podcast
[01:41:05] and who did not push back on Trump. Who did not ask clarifying questions. So they want
[01:41:12] someone like that on the left. They want an audience like that. They don't want someone
[01:41:18] like Hasan Piker who pushes back. They don't want someone who will really ask questions
[01:41:25] and call them out, call them in, whatever you want to call it, they don't want that.
[01:41:30] They want to be on a podcast, much like Joe Rogan, much like Theo Vaughn, and be able to
[01:41:36] just say whatever without any pushback.
[01:41:39] They want sheep.
[01:41:40] They don't want people who ask questions.
[01:41:43] After watching this entire debacle surrounding Hassan Piker and whether or not presidential
[01:41:49] candidates should go on his podcast, I realized that centrist Democrats, the Democratic
[01:41:54] party. True. And the entire backlash, the entire backlash by
[01:42:03] centrist Dems is born out of that frustration. The frustration
[01:42:07] that they have to like sit there and listen to someone that
[01:42:10] isn't in the in group after watching this, right? They have
[01:42:16] to they have to sit there and listen to someone who can who
[01:42:21] who can hold the attention of like some of the electeds
[01:42:27] and can take your frustrations directly to them.
[01:42:32] And they're very worried about that.
[01:42:38] Okay, they're very, very worried about that.
[01:42:46] Because God forbid they go on the stream
[01:42:50] And then they have to say something about Israel that will harm their standing with the Israel lobby, right?
[01:43:01] And the same thing goes, I think the same, the same anxiety to a certain degree is also very much
[01:43:12] in the mainstream media as well, where they recognize that they are no longer the gatekeepers, and some are very frustrated by that,
[01:43:21] especially,
[01:43:23] especially some that are
[01:43:26] worried about, you know, their key issues, right? Some might be worried that
[01:43:30] they have a ideological
[01:43:33] predisposition towards
[01:43:35] defending the nation's state of Israel, right?
[01:43:38] It's a very powerful force. It's a very
[01:43:41] powerful interest and they're worried that, oh my, they're worried that this is
[01:43:53] going to cause even greater problems amongst the masses. The masses are
[01:44:01] going to become more bold with their demands against Israel and that's a
[01:44:05] real fear, too. It's almost like attacking a well-liked booster. The
[01:44:12] Democratic Party is in a good way to campaign, but I guess that's just how
[01:44:14] committed they are to protecting capital. Yeah.
[01:44:22] Notice how Brian Tyler Conan, Minus at Miss Island, they're working with the
[01:44:25] Rehoboogs and Pushes Meers. No, I don't think so. I think you're wrong
[01:44:29] about that. I don't even think you're right about that. I think, look, I
[01:44:34] I have my disagreements with Brian Tyler Cohen and even with Midas Touch, but there's been
[01:44:39] like Midas Touch people that are defending me too.
[01:44:42] And I also would say that like they're on the independent side, so they have to combat
[01:44:50] the popular forces anyway, much more directly than the ordained gatekeepers of the Democrats
[01:44:59] in liberal media have to.
[01:45:02] So they can't get away.
[01:45:04] They can't get away with shit talking, prominent critics of Israel, even if they personally
[01:45:11] had a disagreement on that issue anyway.
[01:45:15] Alright, let's see this one.
[01:45:20] All four of the Democrats trying to take down the song.
[01:45:23] I am all for them spending airtime on him directing people to his page.
[01:45:28] It is only making people woker.
[01:45:29] the more they expose people to his content, the woker people get it does the exact opposite
[01:45:35] of what they want. And they have obviously bigger fish to fry, but they're not doing that
[01:45:39] either way. So might as well make the people more woke in the process. I do feel like it's
[01:45:47] a net positive. It's stupid. They are stupid, but it's a win in some capacity.
[01:45:54] Yeah, I don't even think this is like hope in any way shape or form. This is part
[01:45:58] the reason why whenever people are like, yo, how are you handling all this stuff?
[01:46:01] I say, pretty fine.
[01:46:03] Actually, it's been, it's been good.
[01:46:06] It hasn't been bad because it, you know, boost my profile, especially as a, uh,
[01:46:14] especially as a prominent critic of Israel, it caused people to, to, you know,
[01:46:19] for as many people as it, it, uh, urges, uh, to, to never look in my direction.
[01:46:26] There are far more people that will be curious and will try to figure out exactly what I'm about and
[01:46:32] When they do they realize that the narratives are totally ridiculous, right?
[01:46:39] The narratives are totally ridiculous so on that front
[01:46:47] Yeah, Normie Dems can't stand their party anymore. This must be a son pikers fault
[01:46:51] Yeah, meet the press did focus group with Democrats that where they called the party weak spineless and floundering now
[01:47:00] What do I always say?
[01:47:03] Science is candle in the dark. Thank you for the thank you to subs. I don't always say that but sometimes I do say that
[01:47:08] But here's the thing
[01:47:10] When I meet people when I'm out and about
[01:47:12] People expressing their discontent towards the Democrats and also towards the rolling is they're not my fans
[01:47:17] They just have the same frustrations. They're not in the target demographic.
[01:47:22] They're totally outside of the target demographic, you know. There is definitely
[01:47:28] a minority, a very small minority of like older, possibly heads in this
[01:47:32] in this community in this chat right now. But by and large at least the
[01:47:37] Twitch stream, given how this website works, even how this platform works, is
[01:47:43] uh... predominantly white predominantly male and and much younger than like the
[01:47:49] television news channels right i'm in a
[01:47:51] it's the eighteen to thirty demo
[01:47:54] eighteen thirty five demo
[01:48:01] there are still people that are outside of that demographic that tune in and watch
[01:48:05] and and understand the message and appreciate it because
[01:48:09] communicating their frustrations as well
[01:48:13] i'm more so that's why i keep repeating over and over again that i am a
[01:48:17] megaphone i'm a megaphone
[01:48:20] i'm not
[01:48:22] uh... i'm not like single-handedly
[01:48:26] uh... turning people into critics of the democratic party
[01:48:29] those critics already exist some of them know who i am
[01:48:31] and appreciate my commentaries on them have no fucking clue who i am
[01:48:36] some of them might not even like what they've heard about me from a
[01:48:39] mainstream outlets, but they still have that frustration.
[01:48:44] And once again, this poll proves exactly what the fuck I'm talking about.
[01:48:50] Right?
[01:48:52] Um, so Zutayo went in and ran a poll.
[01:48:57] Okay.
[01:48:57] They went to, to, uh, data for progress and they ran a poll.
[01:49:03] Exclusive poll Michigan's damn Senate race is wide open.
[01:49:05] A package toxic.
[01:49:06] Hassan Piker is not tied up in Michigan. Michigan's Democratic primary for U.S. Senate
[01:49:13] is a three-way dead heat, according to a new poll conducted for Zitao in Dropsite News.
[01:49:18] The survey additionally found that likely Democratic primary voters are far more concerned about
[01:49:22] the pro-Israel lobby Apex Influencer candidates than the Influencers of Hassan Piker, the
[01:49:25] leftist or shimmer who campaigned with candidate Abdul El Sayed at two Michigan
[01:49:29] universities last week. The poll from Data for Progress found that 22% of likely
[01:49:34] democratic primary voters support al-sayed endorsed by burning standards and a vocal critic of israel
[01:49:38] 23 support hailey stevens a conservative pro-israel democrat backed by party leaders in washington
[01:49:43] bc and 22 support malaria mcmorrow the j street endorsed candidate positioning herself between
[01:49:48] stevens and al-sayed notably a third of voters were undecided so there's a three-way tie here
[01:49:55] i mean this is uh this is within the margin of error it's a it's a total it's a complete tie
[01:50:02] Okay? The poll also tested what would happen in a two-way race and found that McMorrah
[01:50:09] would benefit more from outside dropping out than vice versa. His voters are more likely
[01:50:13] to consider McMorrah their second choice, whereas McMorrah's are more likely to call
[01:50:17] Stevens their second choice, suggesting that McMorrah is not simply siphoning or
[01:50:22] splitting the progressive vote. So this means that McMorrah is actually still taking
[01:50:28] some of the progressive vote, the classic warrenite spoiler. However, there are also
[01:50:36] more conservative voters in the Democratic primaries that are making a decision between
[01:50:40] McMorough and Stevens. So it turns out Stevens staying in and McMorough staying in is actually
[01:50:47] more beneficial for Abdul is what this assessment looks like. I still don't believe it. I think
[01:50:53] with more increased attention to the race, having it be a matchup between Abdul and
[01:50:59] McMorah, or better yet, a matchup between Abdul and Stevens would be far better.
[01:51:07] I've said this from the start. I wouldn't call someone who's basically Tifer first a spoiler.
[01:51:13] Yeah, I'm not saying anyone is a spoiler in this situation. I'm just simply stating that
[01:51:19] it's currently a wash.
[01:51:23] The power of the white woman vote split. The reality is the Abdul would gain from
[01:51:27] uh raising name recognition. Look how popular Bernie and AOC are exactly. Uh
[01:51:32] meanwhile voters are not overly concerned about uh of the well-said decision to hold
[01:51:36] rousy piger despite the aggressive anti-piker cancellation campaign led by the centrist
[01:51:40] think tank third way egged on by both McMurray and Stevens.
[01:51:46] Per the poll, 13% of likely democratic primary voters in Michigan view piker favorably
[01:51:50] while 7% view him negatively. The vast majority of them say they don't know enough about
[01:51:54] Piker to have an opinion about him. The poll gave voters more context about the controversy
[01:51:58] to assess whether it would influence their vote. They were told El-Sahed's opponents had
[01:52:02] criticized him for planning rallies at Piker, accusing Piker of anti-Semitism and highlighting
[01:52:06] past controversial remarks, and that El-Sahed has argued that criticism of Israel should
[01:52:10] not be confused with anti-Semitism. As then, whether they approved or disapproved of El-Sahed
[01:52:14] inviting Piker to join his rallies on college campuses, 40% said they approved,
[01:52:18] and 30% said they disapproved and 30% said they weren't sure.
[01:52:23] Okay. So a plurality of Democratic primary voters approve of al-Sayed inviting me to his campaign
[01:52:31] rallies. Michigan primary voters appear significantly more concerned about the influence of APEC,
[01:52:36] America's top pro-Israel lobby, with far less prodding. Okay.
[01:52:43] Okay.
[01:52:44] 64% said they are less likely to support a Senate candidate who received donations from
[01:52:50] APAC and other pro-Israel groups, while 10% said they are more likely.
[01:52:55] The poll found that 62% of Michigan Democratic primary voters agreed that they are less
[01:52:59] likely to trust a candidate that would stand up for Michiganders in general if they won't
[01:53:07] stand up to APAC.
[01:53:08] 13% disagree with this sentiment.
[01:53:11] two-thirds of voters agree that candidates unwilling to stand up to APEC are less trustworthy
[01:53:15] on issues. The question was, do you agree or disagree with the following statement? If
[01:53:19] a candidate is not willing to stand up to APEC, I am less likely to trust them to stand
[01:53:23] up for Michiganders on other issues using Israel and APEC as a litmus test for how
[01:53:28] responsive a politician will be to the needs of their constituents. Now, even with
[01:53:34] all of that, you might be asking your question, you might be asking a question about
[01:53:38] why Stevens is still in the running. Well, that's because while we all know that Stevens
[01:53:46] is the apex stooge in this race, most voters don't know that, okay? That's just the reality.
[01:53:54] You have to remember, even the most informed voters, especially those who find themselves
[01:53:59] so interested in a campaign that they're this far out of a primary, still responding
[01:54:06] in the polls and still interested in the outcome or saying that they have a specific candidate
[01:54:14] that they like are still being informed by false nonsense because APAC notoriously does
[01:54:21] not promote their candidates as being in support of Israel. Rarely do they ever officially
[01:54:34] affiliate publicly, they never put that in their ads. APEC understands that Israel is
[01:54:41] a profoundly unpopular entity. This is not about promoting Israel, this is about making
[01:54:50] sure that their candidate that will defend Israel when it matters in Congress gets into
[01:54:57] office. So they'll do anything and everything they can to disparage the enemies, the ops
[01:55:02] here, and they'll do everything they can to put their hand on the scale with
[01:55:09] unlimited ad spend, of course. Ad spend that never ever talks about Israel at all, or even talks about APAC.
[01:55:19] So, Adam Carlson made hypothetical two-way races saying,
[01:55:24] McMorah versus Stevens matchup, McMorah gets plus nine, McMorah versus Al-Said,
[01:55:29] McMorrow gets a plus 8 and Stevens versus Elsad. Stevens is plus 6. I think this is wrong for the
[01:55:36] record. I think if it's a straight matchup between Elsad and Stevens, I think Elsad would cook
[01:55:44] because then it's directly about the other factor that we were looking at, which is APEC versus
[01:55:52] anti-APEC, right? So this just looks at the evidence or this just looks at the current facts
[01:55:58] presented. But what it doesn't factor in is how much more name recognition on the
[01:56:05] wall say it stands to gain from a dueling matchup against the pro-israel
[01:56:10] candidate. Because once again, the issue with Israel is not about Israel.
[01:56:17] The issue with Israel is also seen as, understandably, a litmus test. Will you
[01:56:22] You stand with a foreign entity that is unpopular or will you stand with your voters?
[01:56:30] How beholden you are to corporate donations and how responsive you will be as a politician
[01:56:37] can be seen through the APAC dynamic.
[01:56:40] The real question is will AOC endorse them?
[01:56:42] If she did, that would be huge.
[01:56:44] Yes, absolutely.
[01:56:45] I hope, inshallah, AOC will endorse Abul Assyad.
[01:56:49] I want AOC to endorse all of the candidates that I work with.
[01:56:53] I mean, they would all benefit tremendously from it.
[01:56:57] They would be able to cut across the noise.
[01:57:00] It would be a huge, huge, it would be huge help.
[01:57:05] And it would be great for AOC as well.
[01:57:12] Bernie has already endorsed, I'll say it, obviously.
[01:57:14] What's the argument for why she doesn't? I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question, Chatters.
[01:57:30] Data for Progress poll, 515 likely Democratic primary voters from Michigan from April 2nd to the 8th.
[01:57:36] eighth. Stevens is long been an APEC favorite. APEC's political action committee raised over
[01:57:42] $340,000 worth of direct campaign donations for Stevens in early 2035 just before she announced
[01:57:46] her bid for Senate. Though it has not raised money directly for her Senate campaign, last
[01:57:50] month Stevens taped a promotional video for APEC, which in 2022 helped her oust former
[01:57:56] Michigan Democratic rep Andy Levin, a progressive Zionist who argued for Palestinian rights.
[01:58:01] I believe McMorah also was in support of Stevens back then against Andy Levin.
[01:58:08] Al-Sahed and McMorah have both been critical of Israel's genocide in Gaza, though McMorah has been reluctant to describe it this way and has instead complained that the word genocide has become some kind of political purity test.
[01:58:24] test. As drop site news previously reported, McMorah privately drafted a
[01:58:28] position paper for APAC, according to one of our supporters before publicly
[01:58:31] demanding a permanent ceasefire in Gaza and saying that this violence needs to
[01:58:35] stop. McMorah has been endorsed by the liberal pro-Israel lobby J Street. So
[01:58:43] yeah, that's where we're at on this poll and it basically proved with, you
[01:58:53] you know, empirical evidence of the argument that I've been making over and over again.
[01:58:59] I have more fans than I do haters, obviously, and my haters are never going to vote for
[01:59:05] candidates that I'm endorsing regardless if they know who I am at all.
[01:59:11] And the reality of the matter is the overwhelming majority of even Democratic Party primary
[01:59:15] voters, even including like young Democratic Party primary voters, have no fucking clue
[01:59:20] who I am.
[01:59:22] This calls into question as to why Third Way and all these other groups have been so aggressively
[01:59:33] pursuing any candidate that aligns themselves with someone like myself.
[01:59:41] Okay?
[01:59:42] I've said this over and over again.
[01:59:44] I'm not a king maker.
[01:59:46] Although it's flattering that they think I am.
[01:59:49] I don't have the capacity to hypnotize people.
[01:59:51] is flattering that they think I had command that kind of influence over people. Okay,
[01:59:56] I could change some minds at the end of the day. But I'm not single-handedly doing any
[02:00:03] of this shit. And I would go so far, say no one has the capacity to single-handedly
[02:00:12] change people's minds like that. We saw that with people with far higher approval ratings
[02:00:17] and far higher, like, people who are far more popular with far higher approval ratings,
[02:00:26] who have much larger audiences than I do. Taylor Swift, Beyonce, numerous liberal, numerous
[02:00:37] liberal superstars, celebrities, endorse Kamala Harris, that didn't move the needle enough,
[02:00:43] Is that simple? It is that simple. I am, for all intents and purposes, a who-omegalol. So there
[02:01:02] was some commentary in the aftermath of this that I found to be somewhat frustrating. You
[02:01:10] should just pretend you're a kingmaker and then throw your weight around and shit on third
[02:01:13] wear whatever oh no I mean I'm far more popular than third way obviously that's
[02:01:17] not a real thing no one knows what the fuck third way is third way doesn't
[02:01:21] exist in the popular marketplace at all that's not their contest they're they're
[02:01:26] just vying for influence and access to elected representatives that they buy
[02:01:32] they purchase that access through their big donors whose interests they
[02:01:37] communicate to the Democratic Party. So Third Way's response here, it's anger
[02:01:47] towards candidates that are aligning with someone like myself or getting boosted
[02:01:51] by people like myself, okay, is totally for that reason. They're worried that
[02:02:01] I, they're worried that that candidates will hear from not only Third Way and
[02:02:05] other lobbyists, but also from people like myself. And they're terrified of that prospect.
[02:02:10] Right?
[02:02:14] Polling USA says, once again, I'm vindicated by assuming no one knows or gives a shit about
[02:02:17] a son, piker or any streamer. 80% of Democratic primary voters in Michigan don't know who he
[02:02:22] is. Don't know him well enough to have an opinion according to the same poll. And
[02:02:25] his net favorables are like at plies plus five among those who do Lamal. So here's
[02:02:32] what's so fucking frustrating about this. This is my argument. Okay. I'm the one who
[02:02:38] said that. I'm the one who's been saying that since the Cuomo campaign. Okay. I said this
[02:02:46] many centers and right wing think tanks said it was massively consequential in a negative
[02:02:50] way and are now retreating because the endless attempts at manufacturing outrage backfired.
[02:02:55] Okay. So I don't understand what this is like they presented a false narrative. They
[02:03:01] they kept hammering it over and over again. That I was this like unbelievably well-known
[02:03:06] and unbelievably negative figure, right? In American politics that would cause normie
[02:03:15] voters and people that are, you know, potentially going to vote for any candidate whatsoever to
[02:03:23] shy away from doing so
[02:03:26] okay
[02:03:28] and it's very stupid
[02:03:31] it's very very dumb
[02:03:35] you did not take a neutral position if anything you said the event with
[02:03:37] negatively polarized people which is just incorrect with this data this is cope
[02:03:46] generally understand how people are surprised candidates are dissing themselves
[02:03:49] from an event with piker in it
[02:03:50] Like did we forget about the dissing Mamdani himself,
[02:03:53] from him during a New York City mayoral debate,
[02:03:56] smiling, crying.
[02:04:05] These are people with their own personal vendettas.
[02:04:08] These are people with their own personal
[02:04:10] ideological convictions.
[02:04:12] And they're expressing that frustration.
[02:04:19] You know?
[02:04:20] through this weird cynical fight over who gets to align with whichever fucking candidate.
[02:04:39] But I'll tell you what, you really don't understand why they're attacking you, it's not because
[02:04:45] you're Beyoncé, it's because unlike Beyoncé who's a popular figure, your support brings
[02:04:49] more than just attention, it brings policies that are actually popular and when Mike politicians
[02:04:52] win, they're attacking your winning policies. I agree. It's not just that they're attacking
[02:04:56] my winning policies. It's that they're frustrated that people will hear who the fuck I am,
[02:05:02] or people will, like politicians, will be more responsive because when they appear
[02:05:07] on my stream, they get a big boost in number of volunteers and also small donations
[02:05:14] that they receive, right? And also additional media attention and additional media coverage
[02:05:20] there that increases their profile. Best outside strategy in my opinion, consolidate
[02:05:27] left, go full anti-establishment slash system including anti-shumer, keep pushing M4I Medicare
[02:05:32] for all abolishites, arms embargo for Israel, go after white working class voters, or Bernie
[02:05:36] did well in 2016 and 2020, full economic populist message about them being left behind.
[02:05:41] Stevens doesn't even exist, folks on contrast with McMorough.
[02:05:45] Best McMorough strategy, have surrogates go hard after Stevens, especially on A-Pack,
[02:05:49] try to keep her hands clean as much as possible so she's in a position to inherit Stevens'
[02:05:53] voters, if and when she collapses.
[02:05:55] Turn this into an effective two-person race with El Sayed, where she would very likely
[02:05:58] be the favorite.
[02:05:59] Keep tripping away at Stevens' wide but shallow advantage among black voters.
[02:06:03] Don't let El Sayed make a credible argument that there is virtually no general election
[02:06:06] electability gap between him and her. So, best daily strategy, I wanted to lose very
[02:06:21] at least are not giving away anything for free.
[02:06:29] So you know, I'm sure that there is a modest boost that people receive, but the biggest
[02:06:43] benefits that cause candidates to want to come to this broadcast in spite of all of the annoying
[02:06:55] smear campaigns has been because they see tremendous benefit to being on this broadcast and therefore
[02:07:03] are a lot more open-minded to what I have to say.
[02:07:06] So their big fear, which Dave Weigel basically got them to admit here, is addressed.
[02:07:14] Dave Weigel says, the fizzling of piker gay shows, cancel culture may be over for campaigns.
[02:07:18] As I watched Kentucky Governor Andy Bouchart tell Reverend Al Sharpton how honored he was
[02:07:22] to attend Sharpton's recent conference, my mind turned to a topic I'd kept safely away
[02:07:27] from home, the Democrats fight over Assam piker.
[02:07:30] Finished for now, impaled on Ezra Klein's pen, the drama over a popular left-wing
[02:07:34] streamer started with a March 19th op-ed from leaders of the Third Way, the centrist
[02:07:38] Democratic think tank.
[02:07:40] In their column, Jonathan Cowan and Lily Cohen told their party that Assam Piker and
[02:07:44] his fellow Jew haters belong on the other side of a bright line.
[02:07:48] Five days later, Michigan Democratic Senate hopeful Alvin Losad announced a rally with
[02:07:52] Piker to support his campaign.
[02:07:54] Within 48 hours, both of Al-Said's primary opponents had condemned Piker.
[02:07:58] State Senator Mallory McMorris said the streamer says things that are misogynistic
[02:08:01] anti-Semitic, and said that the United States deserved 9-11. The rally went ahead. El Said told
[02:08:05] Politico that he thought people were over-cancel culture. A version of the same mini-controversy
[02:08:10] played out more than 20 years ago with Sharpton. He ran for Senate in 1992. Democrats initially
[02:08:16] refused to give him a forum, citing his links to a fringe far-left party and questioning
[02:08:19] whether El Sharpton is even a Democrat. Sharpton talked his way into the race anyway,
[02:08:24] met a 1997 campaign for mayor, and then a 2004 presidential bid, which some Democrats also
[02:08:30] said the party shouldn't have tolerated it. A true Democratic insurgent should compare
[02:08:35] Mr. Sharpton to Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell," wrote Peter Beinart, the editor of the New
[02:08:40] Republic. Before the Democrats can truly challenge the GOP, they have to challenge themselves.
[02:08:47] Piker isn't running for office, but like the young Sharpton, he's trying to steer
[02:08:50] the Democratic Party's direction by encouraging people who agree with him to get involved
[02:08:54] with it. And no matter how much a party or candidate might like to try, voters
[02:08:58] can't be controlled when it comes to what they watch and listen to. Exactly. Okay?
[02:09:08] Exactly. We're also in a dramatically different media environment where the overwhelming majority
[02:09:14] of voters don't have any fucking appetite for this kind of like sister soldier moment that
[02:09:19] Democrats love doing. Obama did it to Jeremiah Wright. Obviously Bill Clinton did it to
[02:09:26] sister soldier, which was where that term was going to begin with, the idea that you
[02:09:34] show your moderate bona fides by positioning yourself as against like people that have boosted
[02:09:42] your campaign, people that have supported you, is not beneficial at all. This is the post
[02:09:49] Trump universe that we exist in. You have a lot more amenities with who you align with.
[02:09:55] you have a lot more opportunity to reach audiences. Okay? Anyway, and many voters are putting up with
[02:10:04] and many voters are putting up with opinions, language and content that used to be campaign
[02:10:08] killers during Donald Trump's 2016 campaign in first term. He can start a whole new cycle with
[02:10:12] a retweet of some far-right account. Democrats would pile on because they wanted to beat him
[02:10:16] and genuinely found the post to be offensive. Republicans with distance themselves,
[02:10:20] that rarely happens anymore. One notable exception, Trump's sharing of an image
[02:10:24] that portrayed him as the son of God, which got some genuine Republican outrage.
[02:10:29] Our polity simply couldn't contain two contradictory ideas that
[02:10:32] Trump would say whatever he wanted, and that offensive speech must be strictly
[02:10:35] policed. The backlash this insorious liberalism
[02:10:38] has been a tremendous success, and the decline
[02:10:44] of traditional media has helped. Republicans was still like some jokes
[02:10:50] to hurt candidates though. The third-way piker fight gave them a
[02:10:53] a lot of gave them a hook to ask if other Democrats were Drake Piger. When the host said
[02:10:57] Senator John Ossoff was one of his top picks for a 2028 presidential nominee, the NRSC
[02:11:03] demanded that the Georgia Democrat immediately condemn Piger. Ossoff ignored that. And I see
[02:11:09] no evidence that the people of Savannah or Marietta care that either care that their
[02:11:13] senator who has never appeared on Piger show has a fan in a left wing commentator
[02:11:18] who's rooting for Hamas. Ordinary people are simply not policing this stuff. The Third
[02:11:23] Way's challenged Democrats over Piker Backfire. Cowan told me in a statement that the goal
[02:11:28] was warning Democrats that if they embrace Piker, they'd be tagged with his radicalism
[02:11:33] and that the gambit works. So this is the cope. This is the meat of the argument, the
[02:11:37] meat and the potatoes. Dave went to Third Way and asked them, what was the goal
[02:11:45] here and did you accomplish it? And they literally said, had Third Way not focused the spotlight
[02:11:51] on Piker exposing the depth and breadth of his bigotry, mainstream Democrats might as
[02:11:56] well have campaigned with him. Just like Al-Sayed, he said, now they'll stay away. Why are
[02:12:05] Are they admitting this?
[02:12:11] This is an out and about fucking admission that there is nothing here, that they had nothing.
[02:12:24] All they could do was try to, what, get a Lisa Slotkin or other, you know, more corporate
[02:12:31] aligned Democrats to distance themselves from me, a person who had never invited Corey
[02:12:41] Booker. You might as well say, yeah, we got Chuck Schumer to disavow us on.
[02:12:51] These are not people that I have invites out. Okay. These are not people that I see
[02:12:57] myself endorsing regardless. I mean, it's entirely dependent on the races themselves.
[02:13:05] But also, who watches this guy? Well, you do apparently, soda-poken. What's also really
[02:13:12] funny about this argument is that many of these people were frustrated that I had not
[02:13:21] endorse Kamala Harris. Now they're saying Hassan has to stay away. They literally were like,
[02:13:28] Hassan doesn't participate in politics. His community doesn't participate in politics.
[02:13:32] Now they're saying Hassan and his community are participating in politics in a very meaningful
[02:13:36] way and we don't like it. So what is it? Well, I know what the answer is and they basically
[02:13:43] admitted it, which is we don't want him to have access to our candidates. We want to maintain
[02:13:51] the grip, the tight grip of control that we have over pro-corporate lobbyist-aligned Democrats.
[02:14:00] Okay? Michigan primary voters, however, aren't exactly staying away from Al-Sayed,
[02:14:07] who's running as a progressive insurgent ready to grab attention and win arguments.
[02:14:10] This campaign told me that it saw a 29% increase in volunteer signups and a
[02:14:14] 221% increase in dollars raised via our website and social media.
[02:14:19] Once people started talking about the piker stop, that was us. We did that by the way.
[02:14:23] Straight up.
[02:14:28] And that's also precisely the reason why while third way and other groups can fundraise
[02:14:34] or bring their big donors, bring the attention of politicians that are big donors,
[02:14:40] get them to fundraise for their Democrat electeds. There's one thing that they can't do, which is
[02:14:52] muster up tremendous real excitement around a candidate. They can't bring real
[02:14:59] doorknockers and real volunteers who believe in candidates, right?
[02:15:04] They can't create organic engagement with candidates and they can't fundraise small donors like small donations like we can.
[02:15:24] And that's it. So that's part of the reason why I probably have gotten hundreds more
[02:15:33] candidates reaching out in the last couple of weeks than ever before. Okay?
[02:15:42] Because in the aftermath of these like past couple of weeks of smear campaigns,
[02:15:47] it wasn't that candidates started distancing themselves from me. It was
[02:15:52] more people fucking reaching out. An unbelievable amount and that he looked at Gemini in lifetime
[02:16:00] live time an hour and a half later he said well that didn't happen. But for the people
[02:16:04] who listen in the beginning, it did happen. It's all about the severity of the accusation
[02:16:09] if you roll it back months later and it kind of doesn't matter. It's interesting because
[02:16:12] I think this came from a good place. People were very disillusioned with mainstream
[02:16:16] media saw the bias there and then I think we kind of went out of the frying pan
[02:16:20] into the fire, where now a lot of people are getting their news exclusively from these podcasts
[02:16:24] hosts who they would acknowledge themselves are more entertainers than actual reporters
[02:16:31] or professionals trying to seek and verify truth before they share it with their audience.
[02:16:35] And now we're saying, obviously it's great to ask questions, but sort of the uncertainty
[02:16:39] that people had about government during COVID. Now we've seen that extent to questioning
[02:16:43] the moon landing and the Holocaust and embracing conspiracy theories wholeheartedly.
[02:16:48] And you know, they're like stop stop stop our moves because someone said it on a podcast probably your thoughts
[02:16:55] Yes become really easy to blame and talk
[02:17:00] Yeah
[02:17:02] Podcasting began as a way of counter-mation media now has resulted in questioning everything from the moon landing the Holocaust
[02:17:08] Okay
[02:17:09] Hilarious that many conservatives heralded podcasts and independent media as the nation's salvation just a year ago when they helped
[02:17:14] Trump win. Now many of those podcasts criticize Israel and Trump's captivity to it, so now
[02:17:18] they're poison. Must trust corporate media again. You see that? Also, one of the things
[02:17:29] that I find funny about this argument is that the moon landing being fake and Holocaust
[02:17:41] revisionism and Holocaust denial are the two OG conspiracy theories that existed far before
[02:17:50] podcasts ever did.
[02:17:53] So you couldn't have chosen two conspiracy theories that absolutely existed before
[02:17:58] the rise of podcasts.
[02:18:02] That always happened.
[02:18:03] You should have said the truth.
[02:18:05] You don't like that podcast is no longer fuck with Donald Trump.
[02:18:11] and israel
[02:18:12] that's the real problem
[02:18:21] speaking of conspiracy theories threads is so insane they think a son
[02:18:24] piker is running for something that he voted for trump and then he'll be the
[02:18:27] next
[02:18:28] john federman gassley website
[02:18:30] hey michigan vote for the sassel has son piker is like voting for john
[02:18:34] federman of p a he voted for donald trump in twenty twenty four
[02:18:37] one hundred and
[02:18:38] forty three likes on this by the way
[02:18:41] what the fuck are these people saying
[02:18:50] it's it's incredible how long someone could be
[02:18:58] i don't even know what the hell's going on on on threads i'll be honest i didn't
[02:19:02] even realize it was like that out there
[02:19:05] i got a lot
[02:19:06] you know blue sky has some crazy takes
[02:19:10] but this is beyond that right
[02:19:16] far beyond that
[02:19:19] uh...
[02:19:21] anyway
[02:19:24] on that note
[02:19:28] let's move on
[02:19:31] all last thing i want to show you is your favorability among voters below the
[02:19:35] age of forty five by the way
[02:19:37] your boy's cooking sanders at eighty six a oz of fifty eight outside is a forty
[02:19:42] one slot is a twenty one
[02:19:44] piker
[02:19:45] following closely behind slot in is at a plus sixteen
[02:19:49] above stevens
[02:19:50] above mcmarillan and holy fuck up way above a pack
[02:19:57] i know it was my elbow policies neutral or good things about you on threads
[02:20:01] yeah i don't know i don't know how people talk about me on websites that i
[02:20:04] uh... on social media platforms that i don't like uh... occupy that much
[02:20:13] but yeah
[02:20:14] a some of his favorability among democrats thirty percent favorable seven
[02:20:17] percent unfavorable
[02:20:18] it's got a huge audience but anecdotally everyone spoke to is not chronically
[02:20:21] online or elections nerd has been like who when i asked them if they were a
[02:20:24] sumpiker including people under age of forty interesting to see that backed up
[02:20:28] quantitatively
[02:20:29] see this is the problem
[02:20:31] this was never an argument that i presented
[02:20:34] it's an argument that the opposition presented
[02:20:37] uh... towards me
[02:20:40] and also
[02:20:41] they're fucking comparing me everyone who's doing this
[02:20:44] is unironically comparing me
[02:20:47] to i don't know what
[02:20:51] you have to compare me to other
[02:20:54] people that are doing the same thing did that my job is a political
[02:20:58] commentator among twitch
[02:21:00] uh... on my youtube among tiktok
[02:21:02] i'm all over different social media them on twitter
[02:21:06] but you have to compare my my approval ratings
[02:21:09] to other comparable figures both on the democratic party side like brian tyler
[02:21:13] cohen
[02:21:16] uh... you know david pacman or whoever
[02:21:19] or also on the republican side like ben shepiro steven crouter nick flint is in
[02:21:23] the light
[02:21:24] even charlie kirk
[02:21:25] pre assassination charlie kirk
[02:21:28] what was shocking to many
[02:21:31] you know, showed you guys something fairly significant was
[02:21:34] most people, even young people, didn't know who the fuck Charlie Kirk was before his assassination.
[02:21:41] Okay?
[02:21:45] Turns out
[02:21:46] there's not a major market
[02:21:49] for people who are constantly chirping about politics.
[02:21:54] Do you understand?
[02:21:58] So yeah, if you compare me to
[02:22:01] political figures that are running million-dollar ad campaigns to gain mass awareness and to get
[02:22:09] You know potentially hundreds of thousands of people to go out and fucking vote for them
[02:22:13] Yeah, of course people are not going to know who the fuck I am. What an insane statement like putting me on a same approval
[02:22:20] uh putting me on
[02:22:22] the the the same
[02:22:25] Study as Bernard Sanders one of the most
[02:22:31] Popular figures in American politics for the last decade if not the most popular figure in American politics for the last decade is insane
[02:22:44] It's just so silly of course Bernie ran a fucking national campaign twice
[02:22:51] What are we doing
[02:22:53] In any case, as I've said already, I still welcome this friction.
[02:23:08] And the reason why is because a lot of this enmity, a lot of the outrage manufacturing
[02:23:15] on ironically, grows this community, okay?
[02:23:23] It grows this community, so it's ultimately a good thing because it puts me in front of
[02:23:26] eyeballs and it gets people to ask the question, what's this guy about?
[02:23:32] Who is this guy?
[02:23:34] Why are people yelling at him?
[02:23:37] And it causes them to take a look at the policies that I advance, the things that
[02:23:45] I advocate for.
[02:23:47] And when they do that, beyond the filtered narratives, they realize, oh shit, I actually
[02:23:56] agree with this guy.
[02:24:01] That's it.
[02:24:05] Meanwhile, while I'm out there filling arenas, wherever I go, there is one guy, a politician,
[02:24:17] who tried to fill an arena and failed the do-so. That is the vice president,
[02:24:23] JD Vance, on a sequence of L's that seemingly is endless. JD Vance has received yet another one.
[02:24:32] Here he is as the vice president, attending a Turning Point USA event. Jake Trailer,
[02:24:40] covering the White House for MS Now News, was at the event and he filmed the audience,
[02:24:46] or rather lack thereof. Jake Trailer says turning point USA seems to have
[02:24:50] misestimated crowd size for Vance. Akin's Fort Arena is less than 25% filled for the vice president.
[02:24:58] Wow, I mean, what do you say to that folks? What can you say to that?
[02:25:18] Incredible stuff.
[02:25:24] Real movement builder, real mover and shaker. I mean, to be fair,
[02:25:28] Who the fuck would want to go and listen to JD Vance? Honestly, I mean, I don't personally understand it.
[02:25:34] So, I'm shocked that there were any, there was any attendance at all.
[02:25:46] all. JD Vance not carrying the flame. And I wonder if they were orgasmically listening
[02:25:56] to JD's speech. Oh, I saw the speaking of no motion. This guy is 300,000 followers and
[02:26:05] this is what happens on the rare tweet where he doesn't mention a song. That's why every
[02:26:08] damn day all day he talks about is a song. Yeah. It's a very sad state of affairs.
[02:26:24] Do you think Vance is ever possibly going to pick up the MAGA momentum if he has to run?
[02:26:27] I don't know what the MAGA movement is going to look like if we're being real. But let's
[02:26:34] Let's take a look at what the MAGA movement is doing right now, which is Trump signaling
[02:26:41] new peace talks with Iran.
[02:26:44] President Trump is expressing optimism that the war could be closed over as concerns grow
[02:26:48] about the economic fallout.
[02:26:50] Chief Foreign Correspondent Ian Panels and Tel Aviv, good morning Ian.
[02:26:53] Yeah, good morning George, that's right.
[02:26:56] The president's saying he thinks the war with Iran could end soon, signaling a new
[02:26:59] round of peace talks and telling Fox News he thinks it's closed to over.
[02:27:03] also speaking to our John Carl saying quotes I think you're going to be
[02:27:06] watching an amazing two days ahead but remember there have been similar
[02:27:10] predictions during the war which is now in its seventh week Vice President
[02:27:15] Vance who led that last piece ever ever warning that there's a lot of
[02:27:18] mistrust between the two sides and Iran's president just posting now online
[02:27:23] saying no power can force us to surrender this morning the Washington post
[02:27:27] reporting thousands more US troops are being sent to the region and attempt
[02:27:32] to try and squeeze Iran further are also saying the US naval blockade sent commerce during
[02:27:37] a statement saying it's completely halted economic trade going into and out of Iran
[02:27:42] by sea.
[02:27:43] But the war and the squeeze on this vital waterway, as you say, impacting the US economy, you
[02:27:48] know there are high gas prices at home, but also now the International Monetary Fund
[02:27:52] warning of the danger of global recession.
[02:27:55] George.
[02:27:56] And we also have these possible talks on Lebanon, Israel and Iran.
[02:28:03] Yeah, that's right. The first direct talks in more than 30 years, the first round being held in Washington, D.C.
[02:28:09] between representatives of Israel and Lebanon, Secretary of State Rubio, calling them historic.
[02:28:14] The Israel's war with Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed militant group in Lebanon, really shows no sign of easing.
[02:28:20] 2,000 have been killed, more than a million forced from their homes, with more attacks
[02:28:24] in Lebanon and Israel this morning, and a fresh evacuation given by the IDF to Lebanese
[02:28:29] civilians to leave their homes.
[02:28:31] George.
[02:28:32] Ian Pellafey.
[02:28:33] Now to the conflict with Iran.
[02:28:34] President Trump says another round of peace talks could begin within days.
[02:28:38] The U.S. military is enforcing a blockade of Iran's ports, though CBS News is confirming
[02:28:43] that some ships are actually sailing through the Strait of Hormuz.
[02:28:47] Mr. Zhang has more from the White House.
[02:28:50] New this morning, President Trump insists
[02:28:53] the war is almost over.
[02:28:55] I think it can be over version of if they're smart,
[02:28:59] it will end soon.
[02:29:00] With less than a week left in a fragile ceasefire,
[02:29:03] the US and Iran remain locked in a stalemate
[02:29:06] after direct talks failed to produce a permanent peace deal.
[02:29:10] We've beaten them militarily, totally.
[02:29:12] The only thing they have is the Gulf,
[02:29:13] and I think now we're the straight, as they call it.
[02:29:16] And I think now I love when he says, as they call it.
[02:29:24] After just, you know, naming something like, no, they don't call it that.
[02:29:31] It's just, that's what it is as the straight, as they call it.
[02:29:36] Fuck you mean we can get a ceasefire as they call it, you know, when the fire has
[02:29:44] I don't know how they hold that.
[02:29:56] Trump sounded optimistic Tuesday about a second round of negotiations, suggesting something
[02:30:02] could be happening over the next two days.
[02:30:05] He doesn't want to make like a small deal.
[02:30:07] He wants to make the grand bargain.
[02:30:09] Over the weekend, Vice President JD Vance left Puck.
[02:30:12] He's an imbecile in your country, elected him, buddy, I know.
[02:30:16] I live here, okay?
[02:30:20] I know.
[02:30:22] I live here every damn day.
[02:30:23] I have to deal with the people that vote for him.
[02:30:28] Pakistan empty-handed. The key sticking point was Iran's nuclear program. A U.S. official
[02:30:45] told CBS News the U.S. asked Iran to stop enriching uranium for 20 years along with, quote, all
[02:30:52] kinds of other restrictions, but Iran refused.
[02:30:55] In Pakistan, we made a ton of progress.
[02:30:58] Vance, who recently wrote a book about his conversion to Catholicism, also responded to
[02:31:03] Pope Leo's recent criticism of the war.
[02:31:06] How can you say that God has never on the side of those who will disobey?
[02:31:10] Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis?
[02:31:17] It's unclear whether Vice President Vance will—
[02:31:19] Brochon to debate the Pope, man.
[02:31:24] American Catholicism is so unbelievably cooked.
[02:31:28] Excommunication, please, please.
[02:31:33] Pope, excommunicate this animal, this demonic entity.
[02:31:40] He is questioning the Word of God.
[02:31:43] He's also he's also a newcomer
[02:31:56] Why would you let a newcomer
[02:32:00] Come in and question the word of God bro. That's like the primary thing
[02:32:08] It doesn't make any sense get him out of here get him out of here Pope, please
[02:32:13] It would be akin to allowing never Trump Republicans into the party and then listening to whatever
[02:32:21] the fuck they have to say about what kind of coalition building the Democrats should
[02:32:25] do.
[02:32:28] Obviously Democrats never do such a silly thing, right?
[02:32:36] never do such a silly thing. So neither should the Catholic Church.
[02:32:47] Oh, represent the US.
[02:32:48] Fidel Castro was excommunicated in 1962 by Pope John, some say on the base of a 1949 decree
[02:32:55] which forbade Catholics from becoming communists.
[02:32:58] The next round of talks with Iran, which President Trump says could happen as soon
[02:33:02] as this week. He promised in an interview quote an amazing two days ahead. Adriana.
[02:33:08] All right, Rita, thank you so much. Day 47 of the war has been characterized by questions about how
[02:33:13] the American blockade of the Strait of Amor. Oh yeah, now we know why Iran knows where everything
[02:33:18] is. Iran is Chinese by satellite. Turkey U.S. bases stop. That's crazy. I hadn't that's weird.
[02:33:23] That's weird. Wait, no way. I doubt it is actually working. Well, the Strait of Hormuz is the choke
[02:33:33] point in a very large piece of water. The gulf is 600 miles long. A great deal of traffic in
[02:33:38] the gulf in the normal day-to-day traffic between all these countries. But many of these ships we
[02:33:42] know are trying to disguise their identity so that they don't show up on America's lists
[02:33:48] of ships that they want to interdict. And the Americans, they're not occupying the Strait of
[02:33:52] almost for this blockade. They want to keep out of harm's way so they're down in the Gulf of Oman and
[02:33:56] the Arabian Sea and from here they're operating to interdict ships coming through the straits and
[02:34:02] out of the area so they can then actually intervene in those ships that they really think are
[02:34:08] illegitimate according to their own rules of engagement. The Arabians have made...
[02:34:15] Such an important passage, heart emoji.
[02:34:22] Such a funny comment. I don't know why. Such an important passage. The Strait of Hormuz as they call it.
[02:34:30] Clear that if their ports are blockaded, they'll do something about it. In effect, they will close the Babel-Mandeb Straits at the southern tip of the Red Sea. They can do this by getting...
[02:34:41] Iran has been in laws no matter how you spin it. What do you think about them doing in Venezuela and Cuba just to get a win for the public eye?
[02:34:46] Yes, that's what I think is is going to happen. We're going to be talking about that in a little bit. I
[02:34:53] Think
[02:34:56] I think that is a that is the the likely scenario here which is so
[02:35:02] It's so callous our indifference to human life and our endless capacity to punish people in our proximity
[02:35:10] It's unbelievable. It's very, very frustrating. But I do think that's a likely scenario here.
[02:35:22] I hope that that's not the case.
[02:35:24] Now, who are the allies? Trakti attack shipping going through the straits the way they did
[02:35:28] a couple of years ago and they reduced traffic in the Red Sea by about 50%. And that's
[02:35:33] pretty bad news for the Saudis in particular because they have a pipeline that goes to
[02:35:38] The Yambu port can take about six million barrels a day at the moment through the Red Sea.
[02:35:43] But if they can't get their tankers out through the Babel Mandib Straits, they can't get
[02:35:47] many of them out through the Suez Canal because the draft of the Suez Canal is only about
[02:35:51] 25 metres.
[02:35:52] The biggest tankers can't really live with that.
[02:35:54] Only small tankers could get out that way, which would lock up a lot of oil and
[02:35:58] gas inside the Arabian peninsula.
[02:36:02] But of course World Commerce is not just about oil and gas, it's also about
[02:36:05] containerships and bulk ships and so on. And if world commerce cannot use the Red Sea then
[02:36:11] they have to go the long way round via the Cape of Good Hope. And that adds time and
[02:36:16] expense to all of their journeys to get their produce to Europe, North America and South
[02:36:20] America. And interestingly, the George W. Bush, the aircraft carrier, that is on its
[02:36:24] way from America to join the American Task Force in the Arabian Sea is not going
[02:36:31] through the Red Sea, either it's on its way around the coast of Africa.
[02:36:36] It was reported a couple of days ago in Namibia.
[02:36:38] It's obviously now, I imagine, on the east coast of Africa, on its way to join the others,
[02:36:42] going the long way around.
[02:36:44] That's sensible from their point of view.
[02:36:47] There's another issue here as well, which is China.
[02:36:51] Chinese carriers, Chinese tankers bringing oil from Iran are really important to it.
[02:36:58] And it's a very delicate issue as to whether the Americans will intercept Chinese tankers,
[02:37:02] we'll have to see.
[02:37:03] But the Chinese also have a base right at the Babel Mandep Strait.
[02:37:06] The only overseas military base is in Djibouti.
[02:37:10] Right opposite the American base, opposite the bay, they're looking at each other in
[02:37:13] effect.
[02:37:14] And the Chinese have assets in Djibouti.
[02:37:15] If they get drawn into some sort of enforcement action against the Americans, they have
[02:37:20] a base from which to operate.
[02:37:22] and that may turn out to be rather important in the years to come.
[02:37:28] All of which brings us back to the Strait of Hormuz.
[02:37:31] This was not a problem before the war began.
[02:37:34] Before the 28th of February, the Strait of Hormuz
[02:37:36] was operating as it has done for many years.
[02:37:39] But now the war has begun, it is the big issue of the war.
[02:37:42] In theory, the war is about preventing
[02:37:44] around getting a nuclear weapon.
[02:37:45] In practice, for the rest of the world,
[02:37:47] it is all about the freedom of shipping
[02:37:49] and the damage that this is doing to the global economy,
[02:37:53] which takes us back to the old cliche
[02:37:55] that wars are inherently unpredictable.
[02:37:59] You can have the best military in the world.
[02:38:02] Yeah, they still get your shit pushed in.
[02:38:04] Trump calls UK policies insane
[02:38:06] and threatens trade deal in Sky News phone call.
[02:38:10] Amazing.
[02:38:13] Also, Scott Besant has some choice words for China,
[02:38:17] But to me, Scott Besink coming out and criticizing China
[02:38:23] has the exact, like threatening China by way of trade
[02:38:29] has the exact same energy as Trump being like,
[02:38:32] oh, it's gonna be open any day now.
[02:38:34] They're straight of hormones, we're gonna open it.
[02:38:36] It's already open, actually.
[02:38:38] It's bullshit.
[02:38:40] It's meaningless, okay?
[02:38:43] Donald Trump already did this with liberation day.
[02:38:46] And we know how those events turned out.
[02:38:50] It backfired on Trump spectacularly.
[02:38:53] So the idea that the American government
[02:39:05] is going to apply any serious pressure, any serious economic
[02:39:10] threat to China currently, without retaliation, is silly.
[02:39:15] It's been tried and it failed.
[02:39:17] I don't have an update on the terrorist, but I do have an update on sanctions.
[02:39:21] Iran used to be the largest state sponsor of terrorism.
[02:39:27] China was purchasing more than 90% of their oil, which is about 8% of China's energy
[02:39:33] needs.
[02:39:34] We believe this blockade in the straits, there will be a pause of Chinese buying.
[02:39:40] I will tell you that two Chinese banks received letters from the U.S. Treasury, I'm not going
[02:39:47] to identify the banks.
[02:39:49] We told them that if we can prove that there is Iranian money flowing through your accounts,
[02:39:55] then we are willing to put on secondary sanctions.
[02:39:58] Thank you.
[02:39:59] Go ahead.
[02:40:00] Thank you, Cameron.
[02:40:01] Go ahead, Nick.
[02:40:02] Just a thank you, Caroline.
[02:40:03] Just a thank you, Caroline.
[02:40:04] Just a thank you, Caroline.
[02:40:05] Just a thank you, Caroline.
[02:40:06] Just a thank you, Caroline.
[02:40:07] Just a thank you, Caroline.
[02:40:08] Just a thank you, Caroline.
[02:40:09] are suffering right now in order to give more oil to your allies.
[02:40:14] We will not be renewing the general license on Russian oil and we will not be renewing
[02:40:20] the general license on Iranian oil.
[02:40:23] Because again, that was oil that was on the water prior to March 11th, so all that
[02:40:29] has been used.
[02:40:31] That's the Scott Besson formerly of the Soros wealth fund. Yes, that's him
[02:40:47] Yup, you guessed it. That's him chat
[02:41:01] He also called it the Strait of Vermouth. That's funny.
[02:41:06] President Trump said this morning that he thinks we're nearing the end.
[02:41:11] The U.S. kept their side on the ceasefire. We've stopped firing.
[02:41:17] The Strait of Vermouth have not been completely reopened.
[02:41:22] President Trump said this morning that he...
[02:41:25] Strait of Vermouth.
[02:41:27] Anyway, let's hear what Trump is complaining about now.
[02:41:30] scathing language about the UK in a phone call with me just now, an interview that lasted
[02:41:35] nearly five minutes. We talked about King Charles, a great gentleman, he said. We talked
[02:41:40] about Prime Minister Stammer, who he said had made a tragic mistake. We talked about
[02:41:46] the special relationship with who he said. He had a word or two as well about the
[02:41:51] UK-US trade agreement and on Iran, he said a deal is very possible. It was a jam-packed
[02:41:58] interview. I'll tell you what he told me, and I'll explain why you can't hear the call.
[02:42:04] Our conversation focused initially on King Charles' visit to America in two weeks' time.
[02:42:09] He's a great gentleman, a friend of mine. He's a fantastic person, the president told
[02:42:14] me. So which bit of the four-day visit was he looking forward to the most? Just being
[02:42:19] with him. I've known him for a long time. He's wonderful, wonderful person.
[02:42:25] When I asked the President if his strained relationship with Prime Minister Stammer could
[02:42:30] overshadow the royal visit, after all, there's barely a day that goes by where the President
[02:42:36] doesn't have a bad word or two about Sakir.
[02:42:39] No, he said.
[02:42:41] Not at all.
[02:42:42] I've known the King for a long time, and he's not involved in that process.
[02:42:47] The President there is talking about the politics, of course, and on that he then
[02:42:51] laid into Prime Minister Stammer.
[02:42:53] I like Stammer, but I think he's made a tragic mistake in closing the North Sea or.
[02:42:59] OK, first of all.
[02:43:02] The entire purpose of the King visiting the United States of America is to try
[02:43:08] and calm Donald Trump down for this reason, because everyone in England
[02:43:14] knows that Trump is fascinated with the Royals.
[02:43:17] And that's literally the whole purpose.
[02:43:20] Part of it is also to try to get him to learn that Canada is a part of the Commonwealth and therefore he shouldn't invade Canada.
[02:43:33] I wish I was joking. That is genuinely the objective.
[02:43:39] It sounds unbelievable that we treat this guy like a baby because he is one.
[02:43:56] Bill, you see your energy prices are the highest in the world and I think he's made a tragic mistake on immigration.
[02:44:03] I love your country, the President said, and I would love to see it succeed.
[02:44:07] But if you have bad immigration policies and bad energy policies,
[02:44:11] you have the worst of both. You can't succeed, not possible.
[02:44:16] I put it to the President that maybe it's up to the UK Prime Minister to run his own country,
[02:44:21] not America's President.
[02:44:23] Well, it is, he said, but a lot of people ask me what I think about them,
[02:44:27] and I think they're insane, he said about UK policies.
[02:44:31] They're destroying your country. Your country's being invaded.
[02:44:35] I pushed back invaded by who? By illegal immigrants from all over the world
[02:44:40] including those from prisons, drug dealers, people from mental institutions.
[02:44:45] Your country is being invaded. It was all familiar stuff.
[02:44:49] All the stuff he says all the time about America's immigration problems
[02:44:54] but now applied intriguingly to Britain.
[02:44:57] But was it, I asked him, just fake news?
[02:44:59] Was maybe his information about Britain's immigration challenges not quite right?
[02:45:04] I've been very accurate here, he said, and he moved on.
[02:45:08] It's worth explaining a few things about this call because it's unorthodox to say the least
[02:45:12] to be ringing up the president.
[02:45:15] This is his personal mobile phone.
[02:45:16] The calls are not arranged.
[02:45:18] If he picks up and he's happy to talk, then the interview starts.
[02:45:23] The agreement with him was that I would record, but not publish the audio.
[02:45:29] So I asked him how he would describe the special relationship right now, with who he said, with
[02:45:33] the UK, I replied.
[02:45:35] It's the relationship where when we asked them for help they were not there, when we
[02:45:39] needed them they were not there, when we didn't need them they were not there, and
[02:45:43] they still aren't there.
[02:45:45] Sounds like it's very bad in that case, I put it to him, and with that he had
[02:45:49] a threat.
[02:45:50] Well, it's been better, but it's sad, and we gave them a good trade deal, better than I had to,
[02:45:57] which can always be changed. And with that, he said he had to go. I pushed him briefly on Iran,
[02:46:04] a deal before the King visits. It's possible, he said. Very possible. They're beaten up pretty bad.
[02:46:11] It's very possible.
[02:46:12] That's approaching 9.20.
[02:46:17] Incredible. I mean, he's a baby. Like we're saying he's a mobster, but that's giving him too much credit.
[02:46:25] Because a mobster has some kind of logical through line with the way that they operate.
[02:46:34] Sure. They have a tendency to engage in violence and all the stuff they'll use violent means to achieve their their ends, right?
[02:46:49] Donald Trump on the other hand.
[02:46:53] I think is closer to just like a baby.
[02:46:58] Boss, baby.
[02:47:06] Where half the shit he does is indecipherable.
[02:47:28] In the morning there in Washington the president is up and posting on social media as you say
[02:47:33] Yeah, I'm still on that truth social in the last hour. He's posted about Iran. What what's exactly has he had to say?
[02:47:42] well, he's
[02:47:44] exchanged letters with Xi Jinping the Chinese leader he said that in an interview that he gave to the friendly folks business channel on
[02:47:53] Monday if we put the truth social post up on screen you can see exactly
[02:47:57] exactly what he has been writing, he says,
[02:48:00] China is very happy that I'm permanently opening
[02:48:03] the Strait of Hormuz.
[02:48:05] I'm doing it for them also and the world.
[02:48:07] This situation will never happen again.
[02:48:09] They have agreed not to send weapons to Iran.
[02:48:11] President Xi will give me a big fact
[02:48:13] hug when I get there in a few weeks.
[02:48:15] We're working together smartly and very well.
[02:48:17] Doesn't that beat fighting?
[02:48:19] But remember, in caps, we are very good at fighting
[02:48:23] if we have to, far better than anyone else.
[02:48:26] couple of things and that Donald Trump says often that the United States doesn't
[02:48:30] need the straight-of-form moves. Now if you're talking about oil supplies it
[02:48:33] probably doesn't but it does need things like fertilizer and aluminium they
[02:48:37] have to come through the street. He says that China has said it won't sell
[02:48:42] weapons to Iran that's because there's been reporting that China is about to
[02:48:47] send new missile defence and air defence systems to Iran. Donald Trump
[02:48:51] said in an interview he gave this morning to a friendly TV station that he'd spoken
[02:48:57] to Xi Jinping and he had essentially said that he wasn't sending weapons. And so Donald
[02:49:02] Trump sees this as an important step. Remember, the two leaders are due to meet in Beijing
[02:49:07] in the middle of May. That will be an important meeting. Clearly the Iranians have made their
[02:49:15] point that they want to see an end to the conflict. Donald Trump in an interview on
[02:49:20] Monday evening said we're getting very close to that point perhaps within the next couple of days.
[02:49:26] Our chief US correspondent Alan Tisha reporting live from the White House. Alan, many thanks indeed.
[02:49:32] China's relationship with Iran is not anchored on a security alliance. China and Iran have a
[02:49:38] comprehensive partnership, strategic partnership, but there's no mutual defense implied in that
[02:49:45] relationship. I think not it's true. This is 100% true. The only existing defense pack that China has
[02:49:58] is with North Korea. That's it. China does not have any other defense packs with any other country.
[02:50:10] As far as like cooperation, as far as business, yes, China loves trade-maxing, defensive weapons
[02:50:25] These are a part of that trade, and we'll engage in trade maxing with other countries.
[02:50:40] Okay?
[02:50:43] However, Pakistan is a unique situation.
[02:50:55] That's one of the only countries that China has a lot of interest in, and even then I
[02:51:01] don't think Pakistan has an actual defense alliance with China.
[02:51:23] how the initial decapitation strikes would turn out, perhaps caused Beijing to step back
[02:51:31] and assess the situation before stepping up and supporting a regime that may not survive.
[02:51:36] China's been very, very careful to ensure that it's not overly dependent on the Middle
[02:51:41] East for its energy.
[02:51:43] It's got diversified supply chains for energy, for fertilizer.
[02:51:49] It's not forced into conflicts in the Middle East the way the U.S. sometimes feels it's
[02:51:55] forced into intervening, even when it's not in the domestic national interest.
[02:52:01] They now have the chance that is Iran to permanently abandon their nuclear ambitions and to join
[02:52:10] a new path forward.
[02:52:11] We'll see if they want to do it, if they don't, we're their worst nightmare.
[02:52:16] If you consider Xi Jinping's approach to meetings and governments and governance, everything
[02:52:22] is about control.
[02:52:24] It's about predictability.
[02:52:27] It's about preparation.
[02:52:29] Whereas President Trump is perhaps the opposite.
[02:52:32] He thrives on uncertainty and chaos and their exact opposite.
[02:52:37] So it's quite possible that Beijing calculated that criticizing President Trump could have
[02:52:43] negative consequences on their much more important U.S.-China interests.
[02:52:48] They are trying to cultivate a relationship between Xi Jinping and President Trump.
[02:52:53] They do want outcomes from that relationship.
[02:52:56] China seeks to be a leader of the global south.
[02:52:59] It wants to gain alignment with global south nations, partly in competition with the
[02:53:05] West, and building those relationships with countries in the global south, including
[02:53:10] Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States.
[02:53:13] It's an important part of their strategy to be friends with everybody, to help balance
[02:53:17] and inoculate them from liberal democracies that might undermine the Communist Party's
[02:53:23] legitimacy, however slight that could be.
[02:53:27] So I think by supporting the Gulf States at the same time that they supported Iran,
[02:53:32] Beijing was trying to pursue a balanced approach that unfortunately probably left the recipients
[02:53:40] of China's diplomacy somewhat dissatisfied on all sides.
[02:53:43] I think when China prioritized its maiden China 2025 industrial policy more than 10 years
[02:53:49] ago and then the dual circulation policy to reduce its dependence on foreign markets
[02:53:56] and imports, it already began winning.
[02:54:00] It reduced its dependency on the Middle East.
[02:54:02] It reduced its dependency on the global economy.
[02:54:05] And I think that has made it come out on top in this conflict because of the resiliency
[02:54:09] that it has, as well as stockpiles of critical materials, including oil, domestically made
[02:54:16] fertilizer.
[02:54:17] So, it's escaping a lot of the dependencies that other countries have.
[02:54:23] And that's, I think, the secret to China's success.
[02:54:27] You've got a major meeting coming up next month with President Xi.
[02:54:38] I want to get your take on China and how they shift in oil, particularly because of Iran,
[02:54:43] particularly because of Venezuela and what you've done, even your comments on Cuba.
[02:54:47] How does that change the dynamic of this meeting with President Xi?
[02:54:50] I don't think it does.
[02:54:51] I mean, he's somebody that needs oil.
[02:54:54] We don't.
[02:54:55] He's somebody I get along with very well.
[02:54:57] He just wrote me a beautiful letter.
[02:54:58] You wrote him a letter?
[02:55:00] Yeah, he did.
[02:55:01] He responded to a letter that I wrote because I had heard that China is giving weapons
[02:55:06] to, I mean, you're seeing it all over the place to Iran, that China is giving them,
[02:55:14] and I wrote him a letter asking him not to do that, and he wrote me a letter saying that
[02:55:19] essentially he's not doing that.
[02:55:21] Okay.
[02:55:22] Well, we just heard from the FBI recently that there was a major cyber attack attributing
[02:55:26] to China.
[02:55:28] What response is under consideration for that cyber attack?
[02:55:30] We do it to them.
[02:55:32] They do it to us.
[02:55:33] We do it to them.
[02:55:34] You know?
[02:55:35] When was the last time we did a cyber track and track?
[02:55:37] Well, I don't know.
[02:55:37] I'm not going to tell you that.
[02:55:38] But we do them.
[02:55:39] They do us.
[02:55:40] It's been like that for a long time.
[02:55:42] So it's not going to be addressed?
[02:55:45] We'll address things.
[02:55:46] But you know, it is what it is.
[02:55:47] Look, China's China.
[02:55:50] They're never easy.
[02:55:52] But we're doing great with China.
[02:55:53] I'm the toughest person in China, anywhere in the world.
[02:55:57] I put on 100% tariff on Chinese cars.
[02:56:00] We don't have a Chinese car in the whole country.
[02:56:03] And if you look at Europe, they're
[02:56:04] inundated with Chinese cars and it's killing their car companies.
[02:56:08] Okay.
[02:56:09] There's nobody tougher than me.
[02:56:11] Don't forget.
[02:56:12] I put a 20%.
[02:56:15] Why do you sound so sick?
[02:56:24] You sound sick, right?
[02:56:31] I mean,
[02:56:32] They're being inundated with cars, Chinese cars.
[02:56:36] Okay, so I don't fully understand what this dynamic with China looks like, because it's
[02:56:48] Trump.
[02:56:49] Like, I don't know if this is a classic, like, oh, we will do anything in our power to trade
[02:56:54] max which meet and we will always concede to American demands happening here with China.
[02:57:03] Or if they should have lied to Trump. Or the secret third thing which is Trump is just lying
[02:57:11] about this back and forth. Could be anything terrible for them for what they've done with
[02:57:22] spent and all. I put a penalty. I go to the penalty. I put a 45% tariff. I had a
[02:57:29] hundred and 45% tariff where they literally were going to go out of
[02:57:33] business. Look, there's never been anybody tougher in China than me, but I
[02:57:38] also have a good relationship with Presidency. And that's a good thing.
[02:57:42] Remember this, TikTok. Billions and billions of dollars. Not the biggest
[02:57:46] thing in terms of China. Bigger is the other things I do. But everybody
[02:57:51] said they will never approve the deal it's a hard no president she said it's a
[02:57:56] hard no we will never do it then American business people got together paid
[02:58:01] billions of dollars and I called up president she I said you know be good
[02:58:05] thing if you did it and he did it the hot topic of the hour a lot of breaking
[02:58:09] news from President Trump he told me the blockade of Iranian ports is now
[02:58:13] fully implemented he told me the conflict is close to being over I sat
[02:58:18] down with Commander-in-Chief for an exclusive interview at the White House yesterday, where
[02:58:22] he told me all about that plus the current state of the economy, his expectations for
[02:58:26] the price of oil and the reconciliation package to come.
[02:58:29] Take a look.
[02:58:31] God, everything America touches turns to shit.
[02:58:35] I mean, look at TikTok now, bro.
[02:58:39] Honestly.
[02:58:42] Don't you wish we had our Chinese overseers again tweak in the Algo for me personally
[02:58:52] It's actually been good, I guess I I no longer go on tiktok at all. I
[02:58:58] Know tiktok traffic is down as well this quarter by like 4% or something for the first time ever
[02:59:10] Some people are saying tiktok is ass
[02:59:12] Sure. Maybe it was ass, but it was my ass.
[02:59:23] Okay. It was our ass.
[02:59:28] It was fun. Right now, it's garbanzo.
[02:59:35] It's got, I mean, it shows me nothing I'm interested in.
[02:59:39] Thank you for sitting down with us. We appreciate it. You've had a real reaction to the blockade.
[02:59:47] Are you happy with the reaction since you put this blockade in place in the street of
[02:59:51] Hormuz?
[02:59:52] Well, it's been pretty amazing, actually. I thought that was going to happen. They
[02:59:56] reacted to this even, I think we're here, we've obliterated them. And this almost
[03:00:01] seems to be more of a reaction than we had before. So we'll see. I mean, look, it
[03:00:05] It only matters the end result and we're doing very well.
[03:00:10] We started off with Venezuela.
[03:00:11] We showed everybody how good I built the military.
[03:00:13] I rebuilt and built the military my first time.
[03:00:16] I didn't know I was going to be using it this much, but we have the greatest military
[03:00:21] in the world, not even a contestant.
[03:00:23] Think of it.
[03:00:24] They have no Navy.
[03:00:25] They have no Air Force.
[03:00:27] Everything's been wiped out.
[03:00:28] They have no anti-aircraft equipment.
[03:00:31] They have no radar.
[03:00:32] He's president.
[03:00:33] They have no leaders.
[03:00:34] The leaders they have now, it's a new regime, okay?
[03:00:37] And we find them pretty reasonable, to be honest with you,
[03:00:40] by comparison, pretty reasonable.
[03:00:42] It really is a new regime.
[03:00:44] And I think we're doing very well,
[03:00:46] but it only matters what the end result is,
[03:00:48] and maybe it'll happen fairly soon, who knows.
[03:00:51] And you told me on Sunday that you think
[03:00:52] they will ultimately consent and say
[03:00:55] they're not going to continue building a nuclear weapon.
[03:00:58] How will you verify?
[03:00:59] Well, first of all, if they don't,
[03:01:01] we're not making a deal, okay?
[03:01:03] So there's no deal.
[03:01:04] This whole thing is really about no nuclear.
[03:01:07] They cannot have a nuclear weapon.
[03:01:09] And if they're going to have a new nuclear weapon,
[03:01:12] we'll be living with them for a little while,
[03:01:14] but I don't know how much longer they can survive.
[03:01:16] I don't know how much longer they can go,
[03:01:18] because they've been hit very hard.
[03:01:22] And as an example, we could take out every one
[03:01:26] of their bridges in one hour.
[03:01:28] We could take out every one of their power plants,
[03:01:31] electric power plants in one hour.
[03:01:35] We don't want to do that.
[03:01:37] Because someday you're gonna have to rebuild
[03:01:39] and it takes you 10 years to rebuild the bridge.
[03:01:41] Even if you Trump, it takes a long, takes a long time
[03:01:44] and power plants are just as bad.
[03:01:47] So we'll see what happens.
[03:01:48] Did you get any pushback like from the Chinese
[03:01:50] or the Saudis about blocking the Strait of Homo?
[03:01:53] No, I had none, I had none.
[03:01:55] Let me move on to domestic issues, sir.
[03:01:57] really no follow-up to that Maria Bartiromo, both China and Saudi Arabia released official
[03:02:07] statements condemning the American blockade by name. So no, I'm pretty sure they're not
[03:02:15] fond of the predicament. So you could just, I don't know, maybe mention that.
[03:02:19] That's it. The thing that really frustrates me about this stuff is like, you can still be a cult-like figure and not worry about your potential access, right?
[03:02:39] And ask some interesting questions, like interesting follow-up questions, without losing your loyalty.
[03:02:53] I don't know.
[03:02:55] What are your top priorities now for the economy for the rest of the year?
[03:02:59] To be honest, we are doing so well.
[03:03:01] You look at this, I hit the 50,000 Dow mark, which everyone said couldn't happen in four
[03:03:07] years.
[03:03:08] I did it in one year.
[03:03:09] 7,000 S&P mark in less than one year, which was a number.
[03:03:14] As you know, you reported it.
[03:03:16] They said, if at the end of four years,
[03:03:18] you hit those numbers, I did it at the end of the year.
[03:03:20] And I said, now we have to do a little bit of a detour
[03:03:26] to a place called Iran.
[03:03:27] And we have to stop them from ever having a nuclear weapon.
[03:03:30] And if you told me that in the midst of it,
[03:03:33] we would have a stock market that's almost as good as it
[03:03:35] was two months ago.
[03:03:38] just about very close and that we'd have oil,
[03:03:43] that we'd be selling oil, that oil would be at 92
[03:03:46] or whatever it is right now, instead of 200.
[03:03:50] Cause a lot of people said, oh, it'll be 200.
[03:03:52] This is in the midst of everything.
[03:03:54] Now, I think we're doing very well
[03:03:55] and maybe people assume we're gonna win this thing
[03:03:58] pretty soon.
[03:03:59] We've beaten them militarily, totally.
[03:04:01] The only thing they have is the Gulf
[03:04:02] and I think now we're the straight, as they call it.
[03:04:05] And I think.
[03:04:18] I don't know what to say, man.
[03:04:28] The straight as they call it, I call it gay.
[03:04:32] I call it the gay of hormones.
[03:04:35] now I don't know how they hold it well I mean that's what I'm saying I mean the
[03:04:40] backup has changed I know it's been only a month or so but oil prices are 50%
[03:04:45] the stock market had a tough first quarter you're right I thought I mean
[03:04:51] honestly I thought there'd be much and I was willing to do that to stop a
[03:04:56] nuclear weapon to be used against this country or the Middle East anybody in
[03:05:02] the Middle East. They were going to take out the Middle East. To stop that, it was certainly
[03:05:07] worthwhile being much higher than it is right now. If you told me that we were going to be
[03:05:11] at only $92 a barrel, I would have been very surprised. And you know what? I'm very happy.
[03:05:20] And it's going to come dropping down very big as soon as it's over. And I think it
[03:05:23] can be over version of if they're smart, it will end soon.
[03:05:27] Overall, the impact on the economy, do you expect a hit to growth? Do you expect
[03:05:31] to swiping inflation?
[03:05:33] Well, look, there's a hit because we go through it
[03:05:35] for whatever it is, six weeks.
[03:05:38] There's going to be a hit, but it's going to recover, I think,
[03:05:42] fully.
[03:05:42] Somehow they misquoted me.
[03:05:44] I think oil will be down to the levels it was.
[03:05:47] They said I expect oil to be high at the midterms.
[03:05:51] I don't expect that.
[03:05:53] I think that we will be somewhere around where we were,
[03:05:56] maybe even lower.
[03:05:58] When this is over, I think the stock market
[03:06:00] is going to boom.
[03:06:01] It's already booming.
[03:06:02] Again, nobody thought we could be at 50,000
[03:06:05] during my four terms on the down,
[03:06:08] or 7,000 on the S&P.
[03:06:10] And we hit numbers that nobody thought possible.
[03:06:13] You've been talking about a reconciliation program
[03:06:16] with the Republicans.
[03:06:17] Can you articulate to our audience
[03:06:19] why a reconciliation package is important
[03:06:22] and why you wanna see it on your desk by June?
[03:06:26] Something that we're failing to consider
[03:06:28] because we're so hyper focused on ourselves
[03:06:32] and the comparatively marginal increases
[03:06:37] that we're experiencing in the gas,
[03:06:39] and our gas prices of the gas pump
[03:06:42] is the unbelievable damage that we are doing,
[03:06:48] perhaps permanent damage that we're doing
[03:06:51] to the Asian markets, okay?
[03:06:54] Like they are Europe is living a totally separate reality. I've never actually
[03:07:01] I've never seen global news like this
[03:07:04] Where there there is total chaos taking place
[03:07:08] Like in Ireland, they're literally doing work stoppages like mass protests mass demonstrations
[03:07:15] They're doing blockades outside of like refineries and shit in Ireland
[03:07:20] You don't even hear a fucking peep about that in the Philippines. They've they're entertaining
[03:07:28] Lowering the the number of days that you're supposed to go to work
[03:07:32] Like they've already scaled back tremendously in their energy consumption
[03:07:39] Asian markets are already paying
[03:07:42] 200 plus dollars a barrel of oil here. I got it right here a physical barrel of oil
[03:07:48] bill recently sold in Sri Lanka for $286 which is wildly above future prices.
[03:07:57] This entire war, Morteza Hussein says, can be seen as a war against Asian economies and
[03:08:02] it is being interpreted by many there that way.
[03:08:06] They're like burning American effigies in the fucking Philippines and we are so oblivious
[03:08:11] to it.
[03:08:15] Sri Lanka has officially moved to a four-day work week and no work on week Wednesdays
[03:08:30] And it's so crazy
[03:08:33] Because we don't even talk about it like here in the United States of America. We're so oblivious
[03:08:38] We're like, oh, it's just a little bit of growing pain, you know, oh, you're the the price of a
[03:08:44] The price of a gallon of oil will go up 50 cents. Maybe a dollar
[03:08:49] right and
[03:08:51] It's fine meanwhile
[03:08:54] because we are
[03:08:56] the global hegemon and
[03:08:59] Because our actions are so our actions are causing so much instability around the world
[03:09:06] The rest of the world is directly pointing to us
[03:09:09] And we're so callous about it
[03:09:14] Yeah, first order effect started in the Asian markets.
[03:09:21] The chaos has already started moving to Europe.
[03:09:25] And while I've stressed this over and over again, like it, we might withstand marginal
[03:09:34] economic pain in comparison to the rest of the world.
[03:09:37] The rest of the world is absolutely blaming us.
[03:09:42] They're not blaming Iran. They're blaming us and Israel as well. Yeah, it's the African markets as well. Yes
[03:09:59] It moved from Africa to Asia to Europe
[03:10:12] So strange. I've never seen anything like it, man. Our media is not covering it at all.
[03:10:18] I'm willing to bet many of you didn't even know that there was chaos happening in Ireland.
[03:10:28] Like, there's, people don't even know about it.
[03:10:33] Because we can't get any Democrat votes. With reconciliation, we can get things passed.
[03:10:38] The good thing is the great big beautiful bill that was four years wrapped into one now we're doing some additional things
[03:10:45] But you know the great big beautiful bill
[03:10:47] I think it's the biggest the best piece of legislation
[03:10:51] It should be called the great big beautiful tax cut bill because you have no tax on tips and look how that's working out
[03:10:58] No tax on social security no tax on overtime
[03:11:02] We have people and you see it I see it on your show watch your show your show is great
[03:11:07] We have people that are making $5,000, $6,000, $7,000, $8,000, they had no idea it was coming
[03:11:14] and it's turning out to be even better than we anticipated for people.
[03:11:17] But there are rules around reconciliation that it requires deficit reduction, right?
[03:11:22] How will you ensure that you've got a decrease in spending?
[03:11:25] Well, we have to go by the rules and we're going for those rules and if we didn't
[03:11:28] go by the rules, we couldn't even put it in.
[03:11:30] We wouldn't be able to submit it.
[03:11:31] And nobody believes that more than me.
[03:11:34] The one thing I really felt strongly about was the military.
[03:11:37] We built this great military that we have right now, and everybody acknowledges it,
[03:11:41] whether it's China or Russia, we have the greatest military in the world.
[03:11:45] And I built that in four years, my first term.
[03:11:48] It's a great, including adding space force.
[03:11:50] You know, a lot of the things that you see that work so well is because of space
[03:11:54] force.
[03:11:55] It was a great thing that we added when we went for space force.
[03:11:58] So what can you put in the reconciliation bill other than funding customs and border
[03:12:03] patrol and ICE?
[03:12:04] Anything else?
[03:12:05] What we're doing mostly that.
[03:12:06] mostly about that, because the Democrats don't want to do it.
[03:12:10] Then we're putting some things as we go along.
[03:12:12] But you know, you've heard the expression,
[03:12:14] we want to keep it sort of slim, because we want to make sure
[03:12:17] that I have the safest border in the history of our country.
[03:12:21] Nobody came in.
[03:12:22] I'm not even sure I can believe that.
[03:12:24] But the Democrats do the numbers.
[03:12:26] It's really, you know, the agency that does that
[03:12:28] is they tend to be on the Democrats side
[03:12:31] to put them on.
[03:12:32] In the last nine months, not one person came across the border illegally.
[03:12:39] Now, compare that to 25 million people coming across by Sleepy Joe.
[03:12:44] I was there.
[03:12:45] I went to the border six times.
[03:12:47] I saw it.
[03:12:47] I understand what you're saying.
[03:12:49] They came in by the millions, hundreds of thousands a week, just pouring it,
[03:12:54] totally unchecked, totally.
[03:12:56] And you know, the countries, I know the leaders of most of these countries,
[03:12:58] they're very smart, they're street smart, some are highly educated,
[03:13:02] but they're very strict with them.
[03:13:04] They don't send their good people to us.
[03:13:05] When they do a caravan, 25,000, 30,000 people in a caravan,
[03:13:10] you don't have their good.
[03:13:11] You have people that frankly,
[03:13:13] even if they're not criminals per se,
[03:13:16] they don't want to work or they want welfare
[03:13:18] or they sent all these people to our country.
[03:13:22] What the Democrats have done to us should never be forgotten.
[03:13:25] Can you put the Save America Act
[03:13:26] in the reconciliation plan?
[03:13:27] I'd love to do it and we'll certainly look at it,
[03:13:29] but I mean, there's nothing easy
[03:13:31] And it has to be called Save America, as you just did.
[03:13:34] A lot of people like to go to the Save Act.
[03:13:36] Nobody knows.
[03:13:37] It's Save America.
[03:13:38] It's voter ID.
[03:13:40] You have to be a citizen to vote.
[03:13:42] For citizenship.
[03:13:43] Ideally, mail-in voting, you knock the hell out of it.
[03:13:46] You never make it a budgetary item.
[03:13:48] It's good for the military.
[03:13:50] The military is the way they have
[03:13:51] to be able to use it, et cetera.
[03:13:52] Somebody that's sick, somebody that's away, you can't.
[03:13:56] And you do mail-in vote.
[03:13:58] But mail-in voting cut back so that it's fair.
[03:14:01] It's tax day.
[03:14:02] What do you wanna make sure people understand
[03:14:04] about the changes that you put in the tax code
[03:14:07] in the big beautiful bill
[03:14:09] and how significant are these refunds
[03:14:11] that people are getting?
[03:14:12] Okay, well, the refunds are really significant
[03:14:14] and it makes it less complicated
[03:14:16] to do your tax return, much less complicated.
[03:14:19] But the people, I mean, I think you're seeing this,
[03:14:22] you're reporting, everybody's reporting,
[03:14:24] because now it's gone into effect.
[03:14:26] And people are getting refunds
[03:14:28] of $5,000, $8,000, $11,000 that they had no idea
[03:14:33] that we're getting.
[03:14:34] It's turned out to be better as good
[03:14:36] or better than I said it would be.
[03:14:38] Is that gonna be enough to offset
[03:14:40] the increase in gasoline prices?
[03:14:42] It will be, because gasoline's coming down
[03:14:44] very soon and very big.
[03:14:47] Do you think gas prices will be lower
[03:14:49] before the midterm elections?
[03:14:49] I think they'll be much lower.
[03:14:51] Before a midterm, much lower, yes.
[03:14:53] Okay, now you suggest-
[03:14:54] I mean, that's one of the assumption that we stop.
[03:14:57] I mean, you know, he's fucking lying, dude.
[03:15:09] It's funny, because at least like this is one of those things
[03:15:15] where since Americans are directly impacted,
[03:15:21] she has to keep doing follow up questions.
[03:15:23] You know, I was supposed to whether or not the Shredda Hormuz will open, or if the Saudis
[03:15:34] and the Chinese are on board with the closure?
[03:15:38] A country that cannot have a nuclear weapon from, if you give Iran a nuclear weapon, you
[03:15:50] you want to see bad stock markets, you won't have a country. The world will be blown up.
[03:15:54] You can't do it. You cannot do it. So, uh, or the assumption we have that settled, hopefully
[03:15:59] low before that, and maybe almost immediately. Could be very soon. But when that settled,
[03:16:06] gas prices are going to go down tremendously and gasoline gas prices.
[03:16:12] I'm so jealous, dude.
[03:16:17] I can't stand the fact that, while most people don't agree when Donald Trump says, oh, I think
[03:16:25] it's a minor sacrifice to have to pay more in gas prices to stop Iran from having nuclear
[03:16:34] arms.
[03:16:35] That's a lie.
[03:16:37] And most people kind of understand this lie.
[03:16:39] But the fact that there's a decent chunk of the American population that will unironically
[03:16:45] believe it, it frustrates me endlessly.
[03:16:48] It makes me jealous.
[03:16:50] I wish there was a candidate who could say the truth, honestly, to be like, listen.
[03:16:57] At the end of the day, some of the things that we're going to do are disruptive.
[03:17:02] Some of the wealthiest people in the country might even enjoy less profits this quarter.
[03:17:09] But that's a sacrifice they're making for you.
[03:17:11] And then have Americans agree with that message because it doesn't go in that direction ever.
[03:17:20] It doesn't ever go in that direction.
[03:17:22] You can never have a Democrat have this level of fucking motion and have his base or her
[03:17:29] base were woke here.
[03:17:36] And more importantly, the independents and those in the margins refuse to instantly turn
[03:17:45] heel and start fucking complaining.
[03:17:48] Of course, for barrel, fill up your car per gallon per day.
[03:17:55] Any way you look at it, numbers are going to go down, electricity is going to go down.
[03:17:59] You know, it fuels sort of everything, not just cars, it fuels the economy.
[03:18:04] If you get that down, one of the reasons I was so successful my first term is I was able
[03:18:09] to keep gasoline prices down, I was able to keep energy down.
[03:18:14] Now, look, if I decided not to go into Iran, which would have been a terrible thing, for
[03:18:20] 47 years no president had the guts to do it and they should have done it.
[03:18:25] And I know at least one, and I know I think all of them that are living are sitting
[03:18:30] back watching this and saying we should have done it.
[03:18:33] should have been done long before me. It would have been much easier to do. It should have
[03:18:36] been done long before me. What Obama did with that Iran nuclear deal, that was the worst
[03:18:43] deal ever made, that gave them a path to a nuclear weapon, a short-term path to a nuclear
[03:18:49] weapon. I terminated it. It was the greatest thing I did. They would have had a nuclear
[03:18:53] weapon four years ago. Then we hit them with the B-2 bombers eight months ago. They
[03:18:59] They would have had a nuclear weapon within one month, maybe two weeks.
[03:19:03] And they would have used it on Israel and the Middle East.
[03:19:06] And they would have used it on us too.
[03:19:08] And not just Israel, by the way, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, countries that were shocked.
[03:19:16] Dog, they're literally, they've bombed the fuck out of all those countries because
[03:19:21] of your actions.
[03:19:23] Mike, what are you talking about?
[03:19:27] We're talking about what could possibly happen to these countries if Iran got a nuclear weapon.
[03:19:34] Well that possibility is a reality for them right now.
[03:19:37] Maybe not with a nuke, but who gives a shit?
[03:19:39] They're like using conventional ballistic munitions to destroy and crater these countries.
[03:19:50] It's so stupid.
[03:19:51] Anyway, meanwhile, look at this. Akbar Shahid Ahmed, senior diplomatic correspondent for the
[03:19:57] Harvard & Post, writes a key Senate vote today could send a big signal about U.S.-Israel relationship
[03:20:03] in Trump's wars, as well as the future of the Democratic Party. Details here on who to watch
[03:20:08] is the chamber considers $450 million in bombs and bulldozers, and how this fits the other
[03:20:13] anti-war efforts to block the bombs. Coons is circulating a statement for Dems to use
[03:20:20] to continue okaying bombs and bulldoze for Israel per a source.
[03:20:24] Statement says Israel is under threat, criticizing Netanyahu in comparison to the U.S.
[03:20:29] saying Israelis, like Americans, have had to ask outsiders to look beyond the government.
[03:20:36] Bernie's currently starting the debate on the bill right now.
[03:20:40] He changes to the West Bank's legal status since 1967,
[03:20:45] removing nearly all constraints on settlement expansion. Netanyahu himself declared, this is that
[03:20:53] yahoo quote, there will never be a Palestinian state end quote. And I say that to some. So anyway,
[03:21:02] while that's going on, let's read this analysis still. I'd wondered what the staunchly pro-Israel
[03:21:08] voice would do here. I was told APEC would likely hold its fire. But it's even more meaningful
[03:21:13] for that side of the debate when a lawmaker, especially one likely to gain greater power
[03:21:16] like Coons, provides cover. Meanwhile, Tim Kaine has confirmed he will vote against weapons
[03:21:21] transfers to Israel given its wars in Iran, Lebanon, and Palestine. Note that if Democrats
[03:21:26] retake the Senate, Coons will likely be their chief foreign policy voice there as the chair
[03:21:32] of the SFRC, Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Separately, Senator Slotkin
[03:21:39] vote appears to remain in question per conversation I just had with her team.
[03:21:45] It's unbelievable that the highest ranking foreign policy guy, Chris Coons, is currently
[03:21:53] whipping votes to continue sending bombs.
[03:21:59] This isn't a full arms embargo chat.
[03:22:02] This is just 1,000-pound bombs and bulldozers that Israel uses to destroy homes in the West
[03:22:11] Bank and in Gaza and now in Lebanon as well, $450 million worth.
[03:22:23] And you got motherfuckers in the Senate whipping votes against it.
[03:22:31] We've got to run a populace in Delaware.
[03:22:33] There can't be that many voters in the entire state.
[03:22:35] Money can't touch that.
[03:22:45] The Israel Weapons Sale votes are scheduled for 6.20pm.
[03:22:49] First vote will be on the bulldozers and then the second one on the dumb bombs.
[03:22:54] So first of all, it's going to be on prohibiting the $151 million sale of 12,000 BLU, 110 AB
[03:23:03] general purpose, 1,000 pound, dumb gravity bombs and related logistics and technical support
[03:23:08] services.
[03:23:10] And the second one or the first vote will be on the prohibition of the $295 million
[03:23:18] dollar sale of D9R and D9T, caterpillar bulldozers, spare and repair parts, corrosion protection,
[03:23:26] publications and technical documentation, pre-delivery inspections, the US government
[03:23:31] and contractor support, technical and logistics support services, storage and other related
[03:23:36] elements of logistics and program support.
[03:23:43] At a time when this is a 90-10 issue, you still have fucking Democrats, some very significant
[03:23:51] Democrats mind you, actively trying to whip votes and release communiques on how to vote
[03:24:01] in favor of Israel, to vote in favor of sending these weapons to Israel, and what to say
[03:24:07] in the aftermath.
[03:24:10] This is the opposite of democracy, okay?
[03:24:17] If theoretical democracy was real in the United States of America, there would not be a single
[03:24:26] fucking Democratic vote in favor of this, and far more than this, right?
[03:24:32] This is blocked bombs.
[03:24:33] is a modest, too little, too late proposal.
[03:24:39] And even then, you have Democrats in the Senate trying to whip votes to continue the arms sales.
[03:24:47] Okay?
[03:24:51] Think about that.
[03:24:52] President, on our threats, they are promises for all of the reasons that I have given,
[03:25:04] and more.
[03:25:05] And you're going to hear more from some of my colleagues in a few moments.
[03:25:10] Support for Israel in this country has plummeted.
[03:25:15] Today, according to a recent Pew poll, 80 percent of Democrats now have an unfavorable opinion
[03:25:24] of Israel, and 41 percent of Republicans share that view.
[03:25:31] And the numbers in all parties among young people are even higher.
[03:25:38] Young people, whether they are young Democrats, progressives, conservatives, do not want
[03:25:44] us to continue to fund the horrific war policies of Netanyahu.
[03:25:52] A recent Quinnipiac poll also found that 60 percent, including three-quarters of Democrats,
[03:26:01] two-thirds of independents, and 37 percent of Republicans—I say that to my Republican
[03:26:08] colleagues, 37% of Republicans do not want the U.S. sending more military aid to Israel.
[03:26:19] And that is why, Mr. President, I am offering today two joint resolutions of disapproval.
[03:26:27] The only formal mechanism Congress has to block an arms sale.
[03:26:33] The first resolution would block the sale of $151 million in 1,000-pound bombs.
[03:26:41] The second would walk 295 million in bulldozers.
[03:26:47] The machines used to demolish homes in the West Bank and Gaza, and make a Palestinian
[03:26:53] state physically impossible.
[03:26:55] Mr. President, the time is long overdue for members of the U.S. Senate to start listening
[03:27:06] to the American people and not to APAC.
[03:27:12] The time is now for us to end all U.S. military aid to the extremist Netanyahu government,
[03:27:22] And a yes vote is an important way forward.
[03:27:27] Mr. President, with that I would yield to my colleague from Maryland, Senator Chris Van
[03:27:32] Holland.
[03:27:40] Mr. President.
[03:27:41] I recognize the Senator from Maryland.
[03:27:44] Mr. President, I rise in support of the two resolutions offered by my colleague, Senator
[03:27:52] years, that would bar the transfer of certain offensive weapons and equipment to the Net
[03:27:57] and Yahoo government. Specifically, these resolutions would block the transfer of 12,000 1,000-pound
[03:28:06] bombs and 132 armored bulldozers, valued at more than $446 million, and funded entirely
[03:28:17] by American taxpayers.
[03:28:20] Mr. President, we cannot continue to provide a blank check
[03:28:24] to the Netanyahu government as it continues to use U.S. weapons
[03:28:28] in violation of U.S. and international law.
[03:28:33] As I've long said, Israel was justified in its war
[03:28:36] against Hamas after the horrific attack of October 7, 2023.
[03:28:43] But the Netanyahu government is not justified.
[03:28:47] in imposing collective punishment
[03:28:49] on all the people of Gaza.
[03:28:53] As Senator Merkley and I wrote in our report
[03:28:56] after traveling to the region in August, 2025,
[03:29:00] and I quote, the Netanyahu government
[03:29:03] is implementing a plan to ethnically cleanse
[03:29:06] Gaza of Palestinians.
[03:29:08] America is complicit.
[03:29:12] And now, as Senator Sanders indicated,
[03:29:15] Israeli leaders are saying out loud they plan to apply the same plans in southern Lebanon
[03:29:22] as they implemented in Gaza.
[03:29:26] Leonard Sanders mentioned threatening what they did in Kanyunas.
[03:29:30] As recently as March 31, Israeli Defense Minister Katz said that, and I quote, all homes in
[03:29:37] Lebanese villages near the border will be destroyed in accordance with the Ra'fa
[03:29:43] and bait Hanoon model in Gaza, unquote.
[03:29:46] Well, colleagues, I visited Gaza.
[03:29:49] I visited the Gaza crossing, the Rafa crossing twice,
[03:29:54] along with my colleague, Senator Merkley.
[03:29:56] First in January, 2024, when Rafa's population
[03:30:00] had quadrupled from pre-war levels
[03:30:03] to more than one million people
[03:30:07] who'd been displaced within Gaza, from Northern Gaza.
[03:30:12] And then we traveled to the Rafa crossing in August 2025,
[03:30:19] after the IDF's offensive against Rafa,
[03:30:24] one that the Biden administration claimed
[03:30:26] that they tried to stop.
[03:30:28] And on that visit, Senator Merkley and I climbed a rooftop,
[03:30:33] and you could look into Rafa, obliterated,
[03:30:38] reduced to absolute rubble.
[03:30:41] And as we were told by former IDF soldiers,
[03:30:46] eyewitnesses who had the courage to speak with us,
[03:30:49] Israel has systematically dismantled essential infrastructure
[03:30:53] and brought near total destruction of civilian sites
[03:30:56] throughout Gaza, including through the use
[03:30:59] of these bulldozers and 100,000 pound bombs.
[03:31:03] And now the Israeli Minister of Defense
[03:31:06] says they're gonna do the same thing in Southern Lebanon.
[03:31:10] And indeed, Mark Kelly is also voting to block the bombs.
[03:31:18] And he was an annoying.
[03:31:21] He was an annoying force for Israel as well.
[03:31:24] The astronaut himself, Mark Kelly is a 2028 hopeful, says he will
[03:31:29] support the efforts to block weapons for Israel.
[03:31:32] Remember, this is not even like a full embargo or anything like that.
[03:31:35] This is not even like denying.
[03:31:38] any significant amount of aid or anything, this is just like one delivery of 1,000 pound bombs and bulldozers.
[03:31:50] Big Akbar says, I recall Kelly being one of the few dams to enthusiastically applaud Netanyahu less than two years ago
[03:31:58] at the height of the atrocities in Gaza, that he as a moderate with a finger in the wind is taking his position
[03:32:03] his position is bad news for those seeking unconditional support to Israel.
[03:32:09] But if I had told you a year ago that our pilots, men and women would fly in Iran, who
[03:32:15] would have believed it?
[03:32:17] Said Prime Minister Netanyahu.
[03:32:19] Went on to say, if I had told you a year ago that the United States of America, the
[03:32:24] strongest power in the world, would fight by our side, shoulder to shoulder, wing
[03:32:29] to wing for nearly 40 days against the common enemy, who would have believed it? And then
[03:32:35] Prime Minister Netanyahu went on to say, all this happened because we initiated it.
[03:32:40] Yeah. I mean, yeah, even J.S.H.R.Y. is talking about like ending unconditional aid, which
[03:32:45] is bullshit, but like, you know, important to note, I guess, polling. Majorities in
[03:32:51] Arizona, California, Colorado, Michigan support the Senate vote today to block 450 million
[03:32:55] dollars in bombs and build those to Israel. Majorities in each say Iran war benefits
[03:32:58] Israel more than the U.S. pluralities in each say Israel is committing a genocide.
[03:33:04] Polls released Wednesday, April 15th by IMU Policy Project and conducted by Data for
[03:33:11] Progress found that 58% of Arizona voters, 67% of California voters, 61% of Colorado
[03:33:17] voters, and 53% of Michigan voters support the resolution the Senate will vote on today
[03:33:22] to block President Trump's delivery of 12,000 1,000-pound bombs to Israel.
[03:33:27] 54% of Arizona voters, 65% of California voters and 57% of Colorado voters and 52% of Michigan voters also support the resolution to block Trump's delivery of the bulldozers.
[03:33:39] Israel has used these bombs and bulldozers to destroy homes and kill civilians in Gaza, West Bank and Lebanon.
[03:33:48] That's why I say our work continues.
[03:33:50] use, but the part of this process that's supposed to be easier is the part where the senators
[03:34:01] are supposed to be responsive to these needs.
[03:34:03] And when you've got majority positions like this, Republicans from these states should
[03:34:10] also be blocking these bombs.
[03:34:13] They of course won't do that.
[03:34:15] But there should not be a single Democrat, because remember, these are majorities, sometimes
[03:34:21] overwhelming majorities, okay?
[03:34:29] Which means that there are Republicans in favor of it as well.
[03:34:38] There are also a ton of violations in Gaza while all this is happening.
[03:34:44] Are you saying this is becoming a wedge issue?
[03:34:51] It's not even a wedge issue.
[03:34:54] It's yet another issue that it should be a wedge issue if Democrats were smart.
[03:35:00] They're not.
[03:35:01] They're so scared.
[03:35:05] You're so fucking terrified of going against Israel that it can't even become a wedge issue
[03:35:10] when it should be.
[03:35:12] Administration in this illegal war.
[03:35:16] Now colleagues, I want to focus for a moment on the portion of the Sanders resolution that
[03:35:24] bans the transfer of bulldozers to the IDF.
[03:35:29] These are the bulldozers that helped raise Rafa in Gaza to the ground.
[03:35:36] And for those who don't remember, I asked them to recall the case of Rachel Curry, a
[03:35:41] 23-year-old American peace activist who was killed by an Israeli bulldozer trying to
[03:35:49] block the raising of buildings in Rafa over 20 years ago.
[03:35:56] Rachel Curry has never gotten any justice.
[03:36:00] And her family will tell you that today.
[03:36:04] In fact, just since January of 2022,
[03:36:07] at least nine more American citizens
[03:36:09] have been killed by extremist Israeli settlers
[03:36:12] or security forces in the West Bank.
[03:36:14] And not one of them, not one, has gotten justice.
[03:36:20] Just like Rachel Curry, no accountability.
[03:36:22] Now, Mr. President, there's no piece of equipment that has helped Israel and Netanyahu government
[03:36:29] destroy civilian infrastructure in the West Bank, in Gaza, and now Lebanon, more than the
[03:36:37] bulldozer.
[03:36:40] Just look at the titles of some of the reporting coming from what's happening about southern
[03:36:47] Lebanon.
[03:36:48] Guardian title.
[03:36:49] Everything's gone.
[03:36:50] Israel destroys entire villages.
[03:36:52] And you can see it for yourself.
[03:36:53] I really encourage my colleagues just to look at the videos.
[03:36:58] Some of them have been shared by members of the Israeli military themselves that showed
[03:37:03] controlled detonations and destruction of entire villages.
[03:37:07] And this isn't new.
[03:37:10] During the last war in Lebanon, Amnesty International documented how the Israeli military carried
[03:37:16] out extensive and deliberate destruction of civilian property across almost the entire
[03:37:21] Lebanese border with Israel, including 10,000 structures, primarily through the use of manually
[03:37:27] laid explosives and bulldozers.
[03:37:31] And in the West Bank, as we speak, we're seeing violent Israeli settlers kill Palestinian
[03:37:42] citizens with impunity.
[03:37:46] And we're also seeing the use of these bulldozers to demolish Palestinian homes in the West Bank
[03:37:52] and other civilian infrastructures.
[03:37:54] Again, you can see it for yourselves in the videos.
[03:38:00] This is all part of a slow-motion ethnic cleansing effort in the West Bank and de facto annexation
[03:38:06] of the West Bank.
[03:38:09] Indeed, the New York Times in September 2024 spoke about raids in the West Bank villages
[03:38:17] of Tulkram and Janine.
[03:38:19] The headline was this, quote, Israeli bulldozers flattened mile after mile in the West Bank,
[03:38:25] end quote.
[03:38:26] In total, since the Gaza war started, Israeli authorities have demolished at least 4,900
[03:38:33] structures in the West Bank and displaced 9,000 Palestinians there. And as this is
[03:38:41] going on, so has settler violence, often with the complicity of the IDF in the West Bank.
[03:38:50] This is Chris Van Hollen. Another one of my children had been killed. Another one
[03:38:56] of these senators that I really like has been incredibly impressive. And he's
[03:39:03] He's been very impressive these past two years, especially.
[03:39:08] Yezdin said that between 2005 and December 2025, that's a 20-year period, more than 93
[03:39:17] percent of police investigations into settler violence in the West Bank concluded without
[03:39:22] an indictment.
[03:39:24] So what are we going to do about this, Mr. President?
[03:39:29] We need to stop providing the Netanyahu government with an absolute blank check.
[03:39:34] We need to demand accountability for American citizens who have been killed there.
[03:39:41] And so I urge my colleagues now to support this resolution.
[03:39:46] If we want to rein in a Trump administration that launched an illegal war against Iran,
[03:39:53] We should also rein in the Netanyahu administration that's doing exactly the same thing with American
[03:40:02] taxpayer dollars.
[03:40:03] I yield the floor.
[03:40:05] I thank the Senator from Vermont.
[03:40:08] I thank the Senator from Maryland and yield to the Senator from Oregon, Mr. Merkley.
[03:40:19] Mr. President, the President has a Senator from Oregon.
[03:40:39] On February 28th in coordination with and at the urging of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
[03:40:45] Netanyahu.
[03:40:47] Van Halen has always been decent on this issue, on the issue of Israel. I'm just saying he's been
[03:40:50] exceptionally impressive in the last two years where he's become one of the champions of like
[03:40:59] one of the best voices in the Senate against Trump's excesses and ultra-violence against
[03:41:08] immigrants and stuff like that. Remember he famously went to,
[03:41:10] He went to El Salvador to extract Kilmaharberg Garcia, his constituent, so he's been great.
[03:41:26] Also the Ministry of Diaspora Affairs released an analysis of 10 prominent influencers in
[03:41:35] the global anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist arena. Israel did. And your boy has fallen
[03:41:41] off. Your boy has fallen off the map. Your boy is utterly irrelevant. That's right, ladies
[03:41:47] and gentlemen. I did not crack the top 10 of the most dangerous anti-Semites. The
[03:41:56] This report's number one, Gamble's Arian.
[03:42:03] Number two, Greta Thunberg.
[03:42:05] Number three, Basim Yusuf.
[03:42:07] Number four, Candice Owens.
[03:42:08] Number five, Abd Elbari Atwan.
[03:42:11] Number six, Omar Salaman.
[03:42:13] Number seven, Anastasia Maria Lupus.
[03:42:17] Number eight, Nick Fuentes.
[03:42:19] Number nine, Ian Carroll.
[03:42:20] And number 10, Tucker Carlson.
[03:42:23] Swedish climate activists Greta Thunberg according to the Israeli government is the world's second most dangerous anti-Semite
[03:42:35] Several spots ahead as responsible statecraft reports of white nationalist Nick Fuentes
[03:42:44] Greta Thunberg is the number two anti-Semite and anti-Israel influencer
[03:42:53] In the entire planet now am I mad that I wasn't in the top 10 fuck. Yes. I am I'm not even gonna lie about it
[03:43:00] This is an unbelievable L
[03:43:05] Okay, it's unbearable
[03:43:10] It kills me I
[03:43:15] Have officially fallen off
[03:43:18] It's official
[03:43:20] Long gone are the days where I was
[03:43:23] only losing by a thin margin two clandizoans as the top anti-Semite of the year.
[03:43:31] Back then, I defeated Basim Yusef and I defeated Greta Thunberg.
[03:43:39] But they, well, I might have won that battle, I ended up losing the war.
[03:43:47] Now, of course, Candace Owens's anti-Semitism metrics have stayed resilient, strong, still
[03:43:57] at the tippy top.
[03:43:58] Me, on the other hand, they're calling me pro-Semite, they're saying I'm pro-Israel.
[03:44:15] The report contains an analysis of 10 prominent influence of the global anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist
[03:44:18] arena in 2025.
[03:44:19] It was selected based on both the severity of their actions, slash statements, and the
[03:44:23] scope of their influence.
[03:44:25] While outside organizations have created similar rankings of anti-Semitic influencers, this
[03:44:28] appears to be the first one published by the Israeli government, because this is the
[03:44:31] OG, like this is the real one, right?
[03:44:34] This is the most important one, because this is the one that the Israeli government
[03:44:39] has released.
[03:44:43] might as well call me Zion Abbey. I'm beginning to realize this is probably
[03:44:50] how Felix Beterman feels every time people yell at me and say I'm a vicious
[03:44:56] anti-Semite. As evidence of Thunberg's anti-Semites, the Israeli government
[03:45:07] pointed to her use of the terms of just genocide, siege, mass starvation, in
[03:45:12] reference to Israel's actions in Gaza. Many of these views are well within the
[03:45:19] American mainstream. Quinnipiac poll from August found that half of American voters
[03:45:22] believe that Israel's committing a genocide. 39% of Jewish Americans believe
[03:45:25] that Israel's committing a genocide. According to an October Washington post
[03:45:29] poll, Israel's Ministry of Diaspora Affairs, which produced a report, deemed
[03:45:33] Thunberg a more dangerous threat than Fuentes, who has said Judaism is
[03:45:37] incompatible with Western civilization, and called for a total
[03:45:40] Aryan victory yeah from dr. Jihad to dr. Jerusalem folks
[03:45:48] Let's be real
[03:45:51] This is who I am now
[03:45:54] A loud and proud defender of the nation state of Israel the Israeli government's rating system is based on two categories
[03:46:05] What is this
[03:46:07] Speaking of your ops, did you see this?
[03:46:10] Tiktok and the replies is safe for work I checked.
[03:46:23] How is this my ops?
[03:46:24] Anyway, let's look at the categories.
[03:46:43] The first is the person's level of influence, which includes metrics like social media follower
[03:46:46] count, appearances on news channels, and perceived influence on public opinion.
[03:46:51] Second, each person was given a risk score, a rating assigned based on the frequency of
[03:46:55] posts that are anti-Semitic slash anti-Israeli, terms that are often used interchangeably throughout
[03:47:00] the report.
[03:47:01] The list also includes comedian Bossam Youssef, a frequent critic of Israel's actions in Gaza,
[03:47:05] and a conservative political commentator, Tucker Carlson, who appears to score quite
[03:47:10] low on the Israeli government's own risk score.
[03:47:14] Dan Bilzerian, who has said he wants to kill Israeli's tops the list in a separate section
[03:47:26] about American influencers. The Israeli government report singles out Miss Rachel. Wait, there's
[03:47:32] an American one too and I'm not in the American one either. I'm not even on the American top 20.
[03:47:38] I'm Brian kill me dude
[03:47:56] Miss Rachel a youtuber with 20 million subscribers
[03:48:01] Who makes educational videos for toddlers as one of the most influential supposed anti-semites?
[03:48:06] Ms. Rachel's misdeeds include publishing content dealing with the humanitarian crisis in Gaza,
[03:48:11] highlighting alleged harm to civilians and children, and condemning Israeli military actions.
[03:48:16] The report also says Ms. Rachel has promoted fundraising campaigns for emergency aid for
[03:48:20] children in Gaza and other conflict zones. Wow, unbelievably anti-Semitic of her.
[03:48:26] Anti-Semitic incidents frequently spiked and retaliation to Israeli military action according
[03:48:32] the report in Australia the Bondi beach shooting was the only significant spike in anti-Semitic
[03:48:37] discourse observed during 2025 that is not related to Gaza. In the United States according to the
[03:48:43] report there were significant spikes in anti-Semitic discourse on X after Israel breaking the ceasefire
[03:48:48] in Gaza in March. U.S. Israeli military attacks in Iran in June and Israeli air strikes in Doha
[03:48:54] in September. The report also asserts that there's a clear link between Israeli action
[03:48:59] the Gaza Lebanon in the wider region and levels of anti-Semitism is not because of Israel's actions
[03:49:05] but because of war imagery, humanitarian narratives, and political campaigns.
[03:49:10] I'm genuinely butthurt dude. Like do we have the American list?
[03:49:18] Do we have the American list? I need to look through the American list.
[03:49:29] the streets are calling you haws barabi my senator told me you were an anti-simon she would never lie
[03:49:36] to me what was this all for
[03:49:51] speaking of your opposite you see this looking the replies this time what what what
[03:49:55] What?
[03:49:56] What is the...
[03:50:02] What?
[03:50:03] Oh, they're adding Stacey K and Neera Tandon.
[03:50:06] Yes, I saw.
[03:50:08] Handful FIU students have been hit with conduct charts after holding an anti-ice protest on
[03:50:11] campus.
[03:50:13] That's my op.
[03:50:14] Is that what you're saying?
[03:50:15] Why the fuck would I care about Stacey K or fucking Neera Tandon?
[03:50:20] Neither of these people are my ops.
[03:50:23] I don't think about them at all, and neither should you.
[03:50:27] I'm actually far, far more invested in this top 20 anti-Semitism list that the Israeli
[03:50:34] state put together.
[03:50:35] It's like genuinely disturbing that I'm not a part of it.
[03:50:39] It fucked me up.
[03:50:40] Am I even Dr. Jihad?
[03:50:46] New one imposters and you're basically chopper?
[03:50:49] Yeah.
[03:50:50] I'm basically chopped
[03:50:57] Damn, I'm fucking clicking on an Israeli government website. This has got to be a I don't want to click on the Israeli government website
[03:51:05] I I feel like that was just loading up malware into my
[03:51:10] Into my PC
[03:51:14] Yeah from dr. Jihad the dr. Mossad
[03:51:20] devastating, devastating predicament. I have not even globalized the Intifada. All right,
[03:51:32] let's look at some good news. Here is happy tax day. And Kathy Huckle has gotten on board
[03:51:40] with at least like one tax initiative that taxes the super, super wealthy. Let's take
[03:51:44] When I ran for mayor, I said I was going to tax the rich.
[03:51:49] Well, today, we're taxing the rich.
[03:51:51] I'm thrilled to announce we've secured a Piedotair tax, the first in New York's history.
[03:51:55] This is an annual fee on luxury properties worth $25 million, whose owners do not live full-time in the city.
[03:52:02] Like for this penthouse.
[03:52:04] We catch one CEO Ken Griffin bought for $238 million.
[03:52:07] This Piedotair tax is specifically designed for the richest of the rich.
[03:52:11] Those who store their wealth in New York City real estate, but who don't actually live
[03:52:14] But even so they're able to reap the huge financial rewards of owning property and dare I say the greatest city in the world
[03:52:20] And most of the time these units are sitting empty since again. They don't actually live here
[03:52:25] This is a fundamentally unfair system that hurts working here. Now I
[03:52:30] Love the fucking succession
[03:52:33] Soundtrack to it's coming to it. This tax will raise at least
[03:52:37] $500 million directly for the city and it'll help fund things like free childcare cleaner streets and safer neighborhoods as mayor
[03:52:44] I believe everyone has a role to play in contributing to our city and some a little bit more than others. Happy Tax Day, New York
[03:52:58] They're doing the damn thing dude
[03:53:02] They're fucking doing the damn thing
[03:53:07] is generally so awesome that I'm afraid they will kill him now all right as recline
[03:53:22] is recline did a effort post as a hour and 30 minutes long titled reckoning with
[03:53:35] Israel's one state reality on the Ezra Klein show. I kind of want to wash this, but we also have
[03:53:49] the Ilhan Omar appearance as well.
[03:53:57] Here's some updates from Bonser Barry. A senior Iranian political and security
[03:54:02] resource to al-Maidin says, with the follow-up and pressure from Iran, a ceasefire will be
[03:54:05] declared in Lebanon starting from tonight. The duration of the ceasefire will extend
[03:54:10] until the end of the ceasefire period between Iran and the United States. It's possible
[03:54:14] that Netanyahu as a destructive element will move again to sabotage this agreement.
[03:54:19] Occupation Army radio so far, the United States has been pressuring Israel to stop
[03:54:22] attacks deep inside of Lebanon, but this has been the situation for a week. But now
[03:54:25] Iran is not content with that and is demanding a comprehensive ceasefire in Lebanon.
[03:54:30] the most important question that remains unanswered will iran succeed in
[03:54:33] imposing through the united states on israel a four ceasefire in lebanon
[03:54:38] and thus linking
[03:54:40] the end of the war in iran to the end of the war
[03:54:43] in lebanon
[03:54:44] i see al jazeera is reporting that israel may have already rejected the
[03:54:47] ceasefire request but is unclear at the moment as many hours in a meeting
[03:54:50] right now discussing it
[03:54:52] financial time says the cost of repairing damaged energy faculties in
[03:54:55] the gulf ranges
[03:54:56] from thirty two fifty
[03:54:58] billion dollars.
[03:55:01] From earlier in the day, Khan said Israel does not reject the American request to temporarily
[03:55:06] ceasefire in exchange for a commitment to return to fighting if an agreement is not reached
[03:55:09] with Iran as long as Hezbollah's firing stops.
[03:55:13] Channel 13, it seems that Washington responded to the Iranian request to ceasefire in Lebanon
[03:55:16] as a condition for the resumption of negotiations.
[03:55:19] Fighting continues in Bint Jubeil ahead of a potential ceasefire.
[03:55:24] Al-Munar Correspondences helicopters evacuate a number of wounded Israeli Army soldiers
[03:55:27] from southern Lebanon, CNN, the UAE has summoned the Iraqi charge
[03:55:32] de fares in the country following tax launched from Iraqi
[03:55:36] territory. That was earlier in the day.
[03:55:47] I mean, this is a huge deal. Like I said, it was the most
[03:55:51] Pivotal demand more so than even sanctions relief
[03:56:00] Sanctions relief is is a necessity
[03:56:04] But this is
[03:56:08] Forcing America through military pressure to restrain Israel
[03:56:21] It is massively consequential as far as demands goes
[03:56:27] Dylan Saba also says if this happens and it holds it will be the first real evidence of the US has moved to constrain
[03:56:33] Israel and that a deal is possible. I'm allowing myself the tiniest bit of optimism. Please. Don't make me regret this structural forces of world history. He says
[03:56:49] On that note
[03:56:51] Let's get to Ezra Klein.
[03:56:54] I've been trying to think about how to begin this episode, which is a very, very tricky
[03:56:59] one.
[03:57:00] And I found myself thinking about a debate I heard a lot in 2023 and 2024.
[03:57:09] You would hear these chants and see these signs from the river to the sea.
[03:57:19] It flared into this huge controversy.
[03:57:23] Free Palestine from the river to the sea
[03:57:24] means get rid of all the Jews.
[03:57:26] No, from the river to the sea means the land in between is free.
[03:57:30] Everyone in between is free.
[03:57:32] No, this is a genocidal chant.
[03:57:36] It was always so strange to me.
[03:57:39] So backwards about this focus on college campus
[03:57:42] protesters was that there was this reality people weren't
[03:57:47] really admitting that there is one power from the Jordan
[03:57:50] River to the Mediterranean Sea.
[03:57:53] That power, that sovereign, which if you travel in that area
[03:57:58] and I have is just visually undeniable, is Israel.
[03:58:04] American politics is not grappled really at all
[03:58:07] with the level of day-to-day domination
[03:58:10] that Israel exerts over Palestinian lives
[03:58:14] and the complete absence of any.
[03:58:17] This has been my argument as well
[03:58:20] and has been the argument of Avi Shlame
[03:58:22] and numerous other people, okay?
[03:58:26] It already exists.
[03:58:27] A one-state already exists.
[03:58:29] It's just currently an apartheid state.
[03:58:31] So the argument should move towards
[03:58:33] the abolition of said apartheid state.
[03:58:37] If you can get to a binational commitment
[03:58:39] in the process, great.
[03:58:42] But the goal, first goal should be
[03:58:44] to recognize that Israel currently operates as a sovereign nation. It is one state.
[03:58:51] Horizon. At all. For that to end. And this was true before October 7th. In early 2023,
[03:59:00] the political scientist Michael Burnett, Nathan Brown, Mark Lynch, and Shibli Telhami published
[03:59:05] an edited volume called The One State Reality. Their argument, which Elsa made in a very
[03:59:11] controversial foreign affairs piece was that quote Palestine is not a state in
[03:59:16] waiting and Israel is not a democratic state incidentally occupying Palestinian
[03:59:20] territory. All the territory west of the Jordan River has long constituted a
[03:59:26] single state under Israeli rule where the land and the people are subject to
[03:59:31] radically different legal regimes and Palestinians are permanently treated as
[03:59:35] as a lower caste
[03:59:38] What they were saying then is that the hope of a two-state solution in the future
[03:59:44] Had become a way many in America particularly avoided reckoning with the one-state reality of the present
[03:59:53] That reality was not accidental. It was not I can't believe
[03:59:57] Epochlyne is literally a neo-nazi of the highest order now. The level of anti-semitism in every
[04:00:10] orifice of this video is this is the protocols of the elderly Zion. Is it am I glorping again?
[04:00:18] God damn it.
[04:00:31] If only Israel knew that this video was out there, they would have placed Ezra Klein as
[04:00:35] the number one anti-Semite.
[04:00:38] It is not intended to be transient.
[04:00:44] It was being etched into the land in stone and cement, in settlements and checkpoints,
[04:00:50] in the construction of walls and the demolition of homes.
[04:00:56] That might have been a controversial claim when we made it.
[04:00:58] What has happened since October 7th has made it an undeniable reality.
[04:01:04] Israel now occupies more than half of Gaza.
[04:01:08] More than 2 million Gazans have been herded into less than half of the land they formerly
[04:01:12] occupied.
[04:01:13] Gaza, it should be said, was already one of the most overcrowded places on earth.
[04:01:18] The conditions Gazans now live in, they're hellish.
[04:01:22] And there is no near term, there's no imagined, there's no envisioned relief.
[04:01:28] This is and it remains collective punishment.
[04:01:31] Hamas, not the children of Gaza, attack Israel on October 7th.
[04:01:37] The conditions of the children of Gazanel live in are not, they're not moral.
[04:01:42] In the West Bank, Israel has choked off money to the Palestinian authority.
[04:01:48] It has built settlements, chosen to build settlements.
[04:01:51] There's gonna be hang-ups, no matter what.
[04:01:59] All you gotta do is connect it.
[04:02:02] Now that you have recognized this reality that has existed for 80 years, just connect
[04:02:09] it back to why Hamas exists, and then you understand why October 7 happened.
[04:02:18] It's that simple.
[04:02:20] And I think this was important of a conversation for me to have with the Pajons.
[04:02:26] I don't think liberals ever think about this stuff.
[04:02:31] In their minds, they don't see members of the Palestinian resistance and the militancy
[04:02:40] as the orphaned sons, victims of Israel, that chose to take up arms after years and years
[04:02:51] of trying every other avenue, exhausting all other options.
[04:02:58] They see these forces as somewhat of an alien force.
[04:03:06] They're not.
[04:03:10] Every single person that has taken up arms against the State of Israel, the apartheid
[04:03:14] State of Israel, is Palestinian.
[04:03:19] They operate within the confines of historic Palestine.
[04:03:25] Hamas makes a note of that. They openly refuse lone wolf incidents outside of the Occupy territories.
[04:03:38] They've never done a call to action for international terrorism or anything like that.
[04:03:43] I
[04:03:48] At a record pace
[04:03:50] More settlements were approved in the last year alone
[04:03:53] Then in the two decades before combined
[04:03:56] Israel has allowed has protected a terrifying rise in settler violence
[04:04:03] and military violence towards Palestinians
[04:04:06] There is no doubt if you go there who rules the West Bank and isn't bro. I'm eating chips. Oh my god
[04:04:12] Why?
[04:04:16] This community is so insane, dude.
[04:04:19] The one time I eat something different that I normally don't eat, everyone's like,
[04:04:22] what are you eating?
[04:04:23] What are you eating?
[04:04:23] Show me what you're eating.
[04:04:24] Can you share?
[04:04:26] Can you share with me?
[04:04:29] Can you, can you show me what you're eating?
[04:04:31] I need to understand exactly what you're eating right now.
[04:04:37] Not the PA.
[04:04:39] When Netanyahu signed a recent subtle project, a project the United States had opposed for
[04:04:45] a long time because it would effectively bisect the West Bank, making a Palestinian state
[04:04:50] physically unimaginable.
[04:04:52] Netanyahu made clear that that was exactly why he was signing it.
[04:04:57] He said, we are going to fulfill our promise.
[04:05:00] The no Palestinian state, this place belongs to us.
[04:05:06] In the north, Israel has used war on Iran as cover to invade Lebanon, displacing more
[04:05:12] than a million people.
[04:05:14] A million and suggesting that up to 600,000 will not be allowed to return to their home.
[04:05:19] What is happening?
[04:05:21] Is it effing again?
[04:05:22] I'm not seeing it.
[04:05:25] What the hell?
[04:05:29] Is it actually effing?
[04:05:36] barely
[04:06:06] I don't understand how, how, this is what, it doesn't make sense, like it doesn't make
[04:06:25] sense to me, we're like, Israel is doing unlimited cruelty to millions of, of primarily children,
[04:06:37] like, like millions of Palestinians that are majority kids, right, under the age of 18,
[04:06:45] is just constantly slaughtering children, constantly engaging in territorial acquisition,
[04:06:52] doing programs in the West Bank,
[04:06:58] doing it openly, in violation of all rules,
[04:07:05] but also it's doing it in Lebanon, but I totally sympathize with, you know,
[04:07:12] blowing up and fighting against Hezbollah.
[04:07:14] This is a contradiction. You have to resolve it.
[04:07:32] You have to resolve this contradiction because it doesn't make sense. You're literally,
[04:07:38] Like the alternative this is to basically say, you know, that the Nazis are doing all
[04:07:49] this horrible shit.
[04:07:52] But I also understand why they had the fight back as the Jewish partisans, right?
[04:07:56] Like the Warsaw ghetto uprising was very violent.
[04:08:02] Like, it's crazy.
[04:08:07] You dominate people like this, they're gonna fight back.
[04:08:11] You kill their parents, their children, their next to kin are gonna be like, okay, well,
[04:08:15] I gotta take up arms, right?
[04:08:17] Ending themselves in a way any state would, but this again is collective punishment.
[04:08:23] Those million Lebanese, they are not all, Hezbollah.
[04:08:27] Israel's security challenges are very real.
[04:08:30] It's horror, it's fear, it's trauma.
[04:08:32] After October 7th was very real, it's determination to make sure that never happened again
[04:08:37] is what any state and any people would do.
[04:08:40] It's right to reprisal against Hamas
[04:08:42] and Hasbollah were undeniable.
[04:08:44] I am not someone who wants to see the state
[04:08:46] of Israel cease to exist,
[04:08:47] but what Israel is choosing here?
[04:08:50] A one state reality that already is
[04:08:53] and will continue to be understood
[04:08:55] the world over as apartheid.
[04:08:58] It endangers that state too.
[04:09:00] The cost of Israel cannot morally be
[04:09:04] the permanent subjugation of millions of Palestinians.
[04:09:08] In February, Gallup found for the first time
[04:09:11] more Americans sympathize with the Palestinians
[04:09:13] than the Israelis.
[04:09:14] Among Democrats, among young Americans,
[04:09:17] it is not even close.
[04:09:19] Israel maintains support among older Americans,
[04:09:21] and it has benefited from the advanced age
[04:09:24] of the last two presidents.
[04:09:25] Their views of Israel forged in another time
[04:09:28] around another Israel.
[04:09:30] American politics has not yet fully grappled
[04:09:33] what Israel has chosen to become. So what does it mean to grapple with Israel's one state reality?
[04:09:42] To see what Israel is now, what the West Bank is now, what Gaza is now, what Lebanon is now.
[04:09:50] Bro, I don't, like,
[04:09:55] I guess it's good that he's saying some of this stuff, but it just doesn't make any sense.
[04:10:03] Like, some of the things that he's front-loading the conversation with make the rest of the conversation look ridiculous.
[04:10:12] Like, you would describe this horrifying reality that not just passing by like every Lebanese person has to exist under.
[04:10:21] And then you're like, but people fight back. And I totally am sympathetic to the reasons as to why, when people do fight back, the people that voted for this reality feel really sad.
[04:10:31] And also what I'm you know, what I'm really predisposed with is that it's a endangering Israel security. It's like
[04:10:40] Okay, well
[04:10:42] Yeah
[04:10:45] But that's not
[04:10:47] That shouldn't be the focus here
[04:10:49] But we're beyond that at this point right like we have to be hostile in our approach to a country that is doing all of this right unless
[04:10:58] in some weird way
[04:11:00] You just don't fully see, I'm not blaming Ezra Klein for this, I'm not suggesting Ezra Klein
[04:11:08] feels this way, but like, maybe you don't fully recognize that the people that are being
[04:11:13] dominated are like human beings, and if that's not the case, if you don't have that sort
[04:11:19] of hang up, some implicit bias there, then there is a contradiction you have not resolved.
[04:11:27] illusion. Shibley Talhami is the onward set up professor for peace and development at the University of Maryland College Park.
[04:11:35] Mark Lynch is the director of the project on Middle East political science at George Washington University.
[04:11:41] Lynch is the author most recently of America's Middle East through a nation of a region, but together
[04:11:46] they were two of the editors on that
[04:11:48] 2023 book I mentioned, The One State Reality. As always my email as replying show at nytimes.com
[04:11:57] Mark Lynch, Shabbi Tawami. Welcome to the show. Pleasure. Thanks. So, I'm going to start, Mark,
[04:12:06] before October 7th. You and Shabbi and a few authors publish a book of essays in Big Foreign
[04:12:13] Affairs, article called Israel's One State Reality. And the argument you make is that the two
[04:12:20] states solution is a fantasy, it's dead. That there is a reality that we are failing to
[04:12:25] apprehend in Israel, which is that there is one sovereign
[04:12:29] from the river to the sea.
[04:12:31] And so I want to ask you what you were seeing that convinced
[04:12:34] you to make that argument.
[04:12:37] How did this work in your view, say, in the West Bank?
[04:12:40] Sure.
[04:12:41] And I think it is important to kind of put this
[04:12:43] into a bit of a trajectory historically.
[04:12:46] So back in the mid-90s during the Oslo years,
[04:12:51] you actually had a situation where
[04:12:53] if you're living in jerusalem
[04:12:58] but then is recline the great thing is he's open entertaining debate views which
[04:13:01] does not support one day when it's a when there's no personal that's a overall
[04:13:05] al-al-qad
[04:13:06] better late than ever as opposed as a red this is way overdue jimmy carter
[04:13:09] warned about this in two thousand six book palestine peace not apartheid
[04:13:13] as a good person is good heart he's regularly late to the party on numerous
[04:13:16] issues but he's a good egg
[04:13:23] That's exactly what it is.
[04:13:35] Liberal scientists are oxymoron because they want an ethno-state but also want the support
[04:13:38] of progressives, and as progressives start coming to terms with the truth, they get
[04:13:41] put into an increasingly contradictory position.
[04:13:44] Yeah, I mean, Israel is, for all intents and purposes, definitionally, a Jewish
[04:13:51] supremacist ethno-state, right? And it's not like an ethno-state in the way that, you know,
[04:14:01] Japan is an ethno-state. Or rather, it's in the process of designing its ethno-state,
[04:14:08] and it's as if the Japanese haven't slaughtered the entire indigenous population thus far.
[04:14:18] It's happening in 2026. That's the big problem, right? It would have been a problem if it happened in
[04:14:28] the 10th century or, you know, 12th century. It would have been a problem if it happened in the
[04:14:36] 16th, 17th century. But unfortunately for Israel, it's happening right now. It's like
[04:14:43] completely untenable, completely at odds with the the new world design, especially
[04:14:51] post-World War II. Right? An ethno-state is not simply just a state that happens
[04:15:00] the most, you could say, in one ethnicity. Lebanon is not an ethno-state. Near
[04:15:03] there's Iraq, Jordan, or Egypt. An ethno-state for Israel specifically, a
[04:15:07] heron-voke democracy is a state that builds its politics on representing one
[04:15:11] group exactly
[04:15:13] the israeli basic law
[04:15:15] literally defines the existence of the state of israel
[04:15:18] as being for the self-determination of jews alone jewish immigration is
[04:15:22] prioritized above all others
[04:15:24] marriage is defined by jewish courts
[04:15:27] israel subsidizes settlements
[04:15:29] is an ethno-state
[04:15:31] israeli arabs can vote and are tried by civil law but they're baked into the
[04:15:35] system as an inherent minority
[04:15:36] there's a reason that israel won't also
[04:15:38] enfranchised their brethren in the west bank in gaza
[04:15:44] but it's it's so it's so crazy
[04:15:55] yet
[04:15:56] and then someone goes states like a rock were set up to be arab national states
[04:15:59] with groups like her as a minority
[04:16:01] small enough to take their orders territories not to mention things like
[04:16:03] trampling on esterians
[04:16:05] Have you actually learned about the history of Arab states and anti-Zionism?
[04:16:09] Sammy responds,
[04:16:10] nation states that aren't ethno-states trample on minority rights all the time.
[04:16:14] Look at the United States of America for 1965,
[04:16:16] but Iraq, particularly post-2003,
[04:16:19] is not based on ethnopotics of anything, it's more based on Muslim
[04:16:22] sectarianism,
[04:16:23] look at Saddam.
[04:16:25] Like they will
[04:16:27] refuse. People who want to defend Israel
[04:16:30] refuse to recognize Israel's ethno-state status,
[04:16:33] but then we'll turn around and be like well there are problems in other
[04:16:35] countries in the region too it's like yeah there are
[04:16:38] none of which is
[04:16:40] anywhere close
[04:16:42] to as solidified
[04:16:45] as legalized
[04:16:46] as systematized
[04:16:48] as israel's apartheid
[04:16:51] not just
[04:16:52] the israeli apartheid that exists within
[04:16:55] uh... the green line we're talking about
[04:16:57] the entire territory that currently occupies militarily
[04:17:01] which yes includes gaza
[04:17:03] and also certainly
[04:17:05] the occupied west bank
[04:17:12] what up dog i just watch your policy margarine review and i really and really
[04:17:15] gave me a better perspective on your politics because is black beauty we're
[04:17:17] getting clips and big while shit but i fought with you in all the content
[04:17:21] i've been catching up
[04:17:25] Thank you for being open-minded.
[04:17:46] Well, if you're living in Ramallah,
[04:17:48] if you're living in Nablus or Janine,
[04:17:50] you can actually feel a state emerging around you.
[04:17:53] You can see the Palestinian legislature is actually active.
[04:17:57] They have ministries.
[04:17:58] The checkpoints are coming down.
[04:17:59] You're able to travel.
[04:18:00] If you have an olive oil business,
[04:18:02] you can actually load it to the back of a truck
[04:18:04] and sell it.
[04:18:05] I'm a black dude that still hates you, JK.
[04:18:09] In Bethlehem, right?
[04:18:10] So it actually was this idea that it's not just
[04:18:12] that we were negotiating towards a two-state solution,
[04:18:14] but people could feel two states coming into existence.
[04:18:17] Fast forward 10 years after the second end of FATA.
[04:18:21] That's just not true anymore.
[04:18:22] Right now, you've got a whole range.
[04:18:24] You've got the big security wall,
[04:18:25] which is de facto a new border.
[04:18:27] You've got a whole range of checkpoints
[04:18:29] that have come into place,
[04:18:30] making it impossible to really move freely
[04:18:32] across the West Bank.
[04:18:34] Palestinian Authority has basically been destroyed
[04:18:36] and is being rebuilt from scratch.
[04:18:37] If you're just an average Palestinian living
[04:18:39] in the West Bank, you no longer feel
[04:18:40] like you're on the path towards a state.
[04:18:43] You might follow the negotiations,
[04:18:45] but now you feel that you're living under occupation.
[04:18:47] Then fast forward another 10 years, another 15 years,
[04:18:50] And you're in a situation where nothing has happened
[04:18:52] in all of that time, which would make you believe
[04:18:54] that a two-state solution has become more likely.
[04:18:56] There's more settlements, more settlers,
[04:18:58] more settler-only roads, more repression, no elections,
[04:19:02] nothing which would make you feel
[04:19:03] like you're moving towards something else.
[04:19:05] So there is this real sense of stagnation.
[04:19:07] And we're looking at this
[04:19:09] and we're trying to understand as political scientists,
[04:19:11] what is this entity?
[04:19:12] It's clearly not something on a path
[04:19:15] to two independent sovereign states.
[04:19:16] It's clearly not anything which is familiar to us
[04:19:19] as just an occupation or just a transitional phase,
[04:19:22] but it also isn't really formally yet
[04:19:25] a single Israeli state, right?
[04:19:26] It hasn't been annexed,
[04:19:27] it hasn't come fully under Israeli law.
[04:19:29] It's just this limbo which goes on forever.
[04:19:32] And so that's what we were trying to capture
[04:19:33] with the one state reality is that in reality,
[04:19:36] everybody living between, you know,
[04:19:38] in mandatory Palestine,
[04:19:39] everything from the river to the sea
[04:19:41] is under the effective power of a single sovereign,
[04:19:43] which is the Israeli government,
[04:19:45] but they experience it very, very differently.
[04:19:47] They have different rights,
[04:19:48] they have different responsibilities,
[04:19:49] They have different security concerns.
[04:19:50] If you're born in one place, you are trapped within Gaza.
[04:19:53] If you're born in Ramallah, you have one set of rights,
[04:19:56] but your family who's just a couple of kilometers away
[04:19:58] in Jerusalem, they might have a few more rights.
[04:20:00] And so it was a highly differentiated legal regime,
[04:20:03] but one in which Israel ultimately held all the cards.
[04:20:06] Shibley, one thing.
[04:20:07] Yeah, I've sped it up.
[04:20:08] I sped it up.
[04:20:09] The Israeli Jews.
[04:20:10] I mean, we know all this.
[04:20:11] Like, we know all this.
[04:20:12] I don't know.
[04:20:13] Should we watch all of this?
[04:20:14] is this worthwhile? It's just they're just describing apartheid. I feel like we've already
[04:20:25] I've covered this extensively for so many years that I don't think there's anything new here,
[04:20:30] but what I am actually interested to find out is like how Ezra Klein manages these contradictions
[04:20:37] right? Because like, we know all this stuff. I just want to know how he, how he squares this
[04:20:48] circle. It's not for us. I don't think it's for this community necessarily, because I feel like
[04:20:56] this community is fairly aware of what the hell's going on in Israel.
[04:21:01] The only new thing about it is that the liberalized will be watching it.
[04:21:07] He's a careerist and cynical.
[04:21:12] I don't think so because if he was a careerist and cynical, he wouldn't even do this.
[04:21:16] Even at this stage, he wouldn't do this.
[04:21:19] I think we often forget how unbelievably propagandized the average person is.
[04:21:29] because we've been able to overcome this propaganda that we take it for granted that we forget like
[04:21:37] Dude, there are I mean when I when I hear people say like hysterical shit about me
[04:21:42] Like I'm a jew hater
[04:21:44] I want to kill every jewish person or whatever the fuck people are lying about like insane shit, right?
[04:21:51] Sometimes it's hard for me to look at that and be like you can't be you you sincerely believe this like no shot, right?
[04:21:57] But then I'm reminded, like, no, there's hysterical ass motherfuckers out here, especially because
[04:22:03] it's racist.
[04:22:05] It's racist.
[04:22:08] Racism is a hysteria.
[04:22:11] Racism is a hysterical approach.
[04:22:15] So of course, some of these people sincerely believe this nonsense, right?
[04:22:23] you have to remember it like if someone is totally completely inundated with one
[04:22:28] sided propaganda especially in a society where where there's no reflection on the
[04:22:36] humanity of the victims because for the last twenty five years
[04:22:46] America has also been pumping unlimited Islamophobic propaganda through its airwaves in an effort
[04:22:56] to justify the global war on terror and the domestic surveillance state that we designed
[04:23:01] around it, where there was this convergence of anti-Arab and Islamophobic interests in
[04:23:12] America that never forces you to reconsider the humanity of the victims of Israel in a
[04:23:24] country that is as white supremacist as the United States of America that often has historically
[04:23:34] collateralized black and brown bodies, it's quite difficult for people to check themselves
[04:23:45] and go against the 20, 30, sometimes 40 years of propaganda. That's why there's this generational
[04:23:53] breakdown. Because if you're under the age of 35, if you're under the age of 45,
[04:23:59] You haven't seen the maximum faucet of propaganda, right? At 49, you said something about Hamas.
[04:24:09] Let's hear it. A couple of things about this, and particularly when we're thinking about,
[04:24:17] you know, the Iran War, a country of 93 million and huge geographically. How Israel had such a
[04:24:22] small, tiny place that it had been controlling really dominating for decades with only a few
[04:24:28] 2000 fighters underground and couldn't really despite the fact of leveling the place that they still even in existences
[04:24:34] really should should send a message and
[04:24:36] Obviously we can dramatically we can and they're weakened economically
[04:24:39] They can control internally and they're asserting themselves internally because there's no alternative right now to them internally
[04:24:44] But their capacity to wage war across waters is obviously very very limited
[04:24:48] I do think that the mindset though of now we have them and we now can prevent them
[04:24:53] It's just so flawed because it's not, Hamas of course, we know what it is and yes, the Israelis want to control
[04:25:01] But you look at the history of this conflict or any conflict if it's not Hamas gonna be something else you've created
[04:25:07] So many tens of thousands of
[04:25:09] You know, yes, and that's how Hamas was created too
[04:25:14] One of the things that people very quickly recognized at least some Americans that I saw which was surprising is like
[04:25:19] The notion that yeah, okay, you kill everybody in Hamas and then you kill a shit ton of people in the process
[04:25:26] Guess what you just invented Hamas too, right?
[04:25:30] It's pretty basic stuff, but it really drives that point across if you exhaust that logic
[04:25:38] To its maximalist conclusion well, that's how you realize how Hamas came into fruition as well
[04:25:44] Well, this is another reason why when I was talking to the Podjohns, I wanted to explain
[04:25:50] to them, like, we use Hamas as a catch-all term, because it's, you know, the one that
[04:25:54] everybody knows, but like, Operation Al-Aqsa Flood was conducted by every facet of the
[04:26:00] Palestinian resistance, anyone that was a part of any militancy across many different
[04:26:06] political perspectives
[04:26:09] that have genuine disagreements and genuine
[04:26:12] uh... issues with hummus even
[04:26:14] on on modes of governance
[04:26:18] they got together
[04:26:21] and and uh... they conduct this operation together under the
[04:26:25] hummus banner
[04:26:29] huh
[04:26:32] So it's not Hamas, it's just the Palestinian resistance.
[04:26:39] And you have to at some point recognize why that resistance exists.
[04:26:45] In order to solve this equation, Israel for the longest time leaned into
[04:26:49] Orientalist framework, took advantage of Islamophobic propaganda in the Western
[04:26:54] world by saying, oh, it's because they're, you know, oops.
[04:26:58] I'm getting, I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it. I don't know what the fuck's going on. It's not on my end.
[04:27:10] What? Those blips are taking place.
[04:27:19] Hold on. Hold. Hold. M is real high. M is real high. M is real high.
[04:27:28] I love the state of Israel is the most is the most honorable country
[04:27:36] Israel is the most honorable country in America. It's tiny is the size of New Jersey
[04:27:46] Okay, it seems to me like it worked
[04:27:55] What was I saying
[04:27:58] Where the fuck was I? Oh, it's broken again. Right on cue. Right on cue. Wait. Hold on.
[04:28:10] Let me text the group chat again.
[04:28:21] No difference on my internet feeds, I see inges, bitrate, going up and down wildly, not
[04:28:42] sure. Oh, God. Okay. Um, where was I?
[04:29:02] I cannot, I can't remember what I was saying.
[04:29:28] you science you not bless you
[04:29:33] it is real good to hold your blood uh your internet maybe
[04:29:42] i'm i forgot what i was talking about shit how israel used racism to advance
[04:29:48] their cause
[04:29:52] hmm
[04:29:54] Oh, um, Palestinian resistance. I was talking about Palestinian resistance and, and that, um, all factions of the Palestinian resistance, including ones that are at odds with one another, um, got together and fought against Israel and the, uh, Axa flood.
[04:30:14] they all conducted this campaign together, right. Now, it's not born out of any other reason than
[04:30:27] the emancipatory reason. It's the ultimate reason for all Palestinians. They want to end to the
[04:30:33] occupation. But Israel obviously doesn't want to recognize that. So what they do is lean into
[04:30:40] Islamophobic narratives and Orientalism in an effort to say oh
[04:30:46] Why did October 7th happen because these guys are all Hamas and Hamas is all a bunch of
[04:30:52] rapist barbarian
[04:30:55] Anti-semitic monsters like they did this because they're anti-semitic
[04:30:59] Okay
[04:31:02] And that's a lie
[04:31:06] Not only is it alive, but it's also an incredibly
[04:31:10] easy to disparage lie as well because like this isn't to say that there aren't
[04:31:17] anti-Semitic opinions I'm sure there are there's obviously also reasons for why
[04:31:23] you know certain people in Palestine might be anti-Semitic you know
[04:31:31] considering that Israel calls itself the Jewish state dominates all these
[04:31:35] people and says they're doing this for Judaism. They put up menorahs in occupied
[04:31:47] Gaza territory that they've destroyed. They carved the Star of David on the
[04:31:52] cheek of a Palestinian prisoner, a kidnapped Palestinian. They carved the
[04:31:57] star at David in the remainder of a crater that used to be an apartment complex that
[04:32:08] they blew up with their bombs dropped by fighter jets that have to start at David on the side
[04:32:14] of it, right? So I'm sure there's at least some anti-Semitism, but it's not the same
[04:32:27] as like a Nick Fuentes anti-Semitism. There's like learned anti-Semitism, this Holocaust
[04:32:33] denial or whatever the fuck Western anti-Semites believe. Okay? It's born out of a reaction
[04:32:47] of Israel's ultraviolence. And at the end of the day, the Palestinian militancy is not
[04:32:55] resisting against the Israeli occupation because they're anti-Semitic. They're resisting
[04:33:01] because they want freedom. Imagine being able to support homos in the U.S.'s
[04:33:06] orbit, not this. California has universal pre-K. What the fuck is this guy saying?
[04:33:12] Bro, this guy is the most insane, the most insane poster.
[04:33:20] What is this greatest democracy ever? Democrats planning to run in November's
[04:33:25] midterm election have been advised not to antagonize pro-AI campaign
[04:33:28] groups that amass more than 300 million to fight for the industry's priorities.
[04:33:33] The warnings about top party consultants corroborated by people close to four different campaigns
[04:33:37] and party strategies speaking on the condition of anonymity come despite internal polling
[04:33:40] for Democrats showing widespread public support for tougher AI rules.
[04:33:48] Yeah, Sammy was fighting for his fucking wife out here talking about how Israel is an apartheid.
[04:34:06] The problem of Israel in two senses is this.
[04:34:09] The entire state depends on the existence of a permanent Jewish majority.
[04:34:12] If non-Jews become the majority, Israel, as we know it, collapses into chaos.
[04:34:18] iraq says he says there's almost no state in the world that wouldn't face
[04:34:21] crisis strong ethnic majority somehow became a minority
[04:34:24] if germany became six percent turkish overnight the country would go through
[04:34:27] crisis short is why the nation's data is wrong
[04:34:29] but the system of government would say the same court say the same citizenship
[04:34:33] regimes say the same
[04:34:34] the same isn't true with israel
[04:34:37] but israel's primary focus is
[04:34:39] to maintain
[04:34:41] a jewish demographic majority
[04:34:43] again against all odds
[04:34:46] if tomorrow somehow
[04:34:48] the uh... palestinian citizens of israel
[04:34:52] those who the israeli state is designed as arab
[04:34:55] uh... somehow had uh... uh... higher
[04:34:58] population increase
[04:35:00] they would work to collapse that they would work to stop that one hundred
[04:35:04] percent
[04:35:06] it's not like a secret either they openly stated
[04:35:12] and let's be real
[04:35:15] We know, we know what that looks like.
[04:35:19] We know what that advocacy looks like.
[04:35:23] We know what kind of initiatives that looks like,
[04:35:26] at least in its inception,
[04:35:30] in the United motherfucking States of America too.
[04:35:33] Right?
[04:35:36] Right?
[04:35:39] But when they say it here,
[04:35:41] we know exactly what that shit is.
[04:35:43] oh, it's a great replacement happening.
[04:35:46] How can a country be a serious,
[04:35:50] reliable, solid nation-state without having such porous borders?
[04:35:56] How can a country maintain its national promise
[04:36:04] if it's entirely comprised of strangers?
[04:36:09] Kid Starver also said something similar.
[04:36:12] We know what that attitude is, right?
[04:36:14] It's a white nationalist framework.
[04:36:17] We know what that looks like in practice.
[04:36:20] It's what Trump is doing with these ice mass deportation
[04:36:24] initiatives, concentration camps,
[04:36:27] unaccountable forces kidnapping and black bagging people,
[04:36:31] taking them away from their families.
[04:36:33] So if we recognize that as inherently fascist, and I hope some Americans recognize that as
[04:36:45] inherently fascist, I think many do, or at least they recognize it as dangerous, then understand
[04:36:53] that Israel has already accelerated far beyond that.
[04:36:58] as legalized that process where the opposite of doing that is quite literally illegal.
[04:37:07] What is this?
[04:37:10] Asana's and Nick on Taya's Instagram post because it's too humorous,
[04:37:13] I'm playing reporters for New York Times. Oh, they didn't end up using this in the article though.
[04:37:21] But it looks cool.
[04:37:28] Yeah, Jim Crow was an ethnic democracy too.
[04:37:36] Israel isn't really a liberal democracy in the way Americans use that term.
[04:37:39] It's a democracy, but it's an ethnic democracy, a Jewish democracy.
[04:37:42] It's a concept that makes some Americans use, in particular, deeply uncomfortable.
[04:37:47] Yeah.
[04:37:48] I mean, it's true.
[04:37:55] I respect the European doing white nationalism in Europe. It makes sense in an evil way, but America and Israel, it's entirely revisionist. Wait, what?
[04:38:07] You have the best takes. I swear to God. This is not an endorsement of the white supremacist European nationalism by infant door. They're just simply saying like you kind of understand there's like historic precedent for it. Okay, that's what they're saying.
[04:38:25] That's what they're saying.
[04:38:26] You created so much devastation and ruin.
[04:38:39] And so what's happening to the next generation, where they're going to go if you're not going
[04:38:42] to solve it politically and give them freedom.
[04:38:44] And if it's not Hamas, it's going to be something else.
[04:38:46] And we forget that how was Hamas born originally?
[04:38:50] I mean, Israel thought the PLO was the problem.
[04:38:53] It was secular, but it was the biggest Palestinian movement.
[04:38:57] They started helping the Muslim Brotherhood in the West Bank
[04:39:00] and allowing it to compete with the PLO.
[04:39:02] And the Muslim Brotherhood gave birth to Hamas
[04:39:05] during the First and to Father in 1987.
[04:39:08] So we see this book everywhere, right?
[04:39:11] So we get the jihadists to help in Afghanistan
[04:39:14] and then they become the biggest anti-American force
[04:39:18] in the Middle East.
[04:39:19] The part about Hamas that I find even more troubling
[04:39:22] is this framing of the conflict.
[04:39:24] Because if you turn this conflict into a religious conflict,
[04:39:26] it's irreconcilable between Israel and Palestinians.
[04:39:29] The issue is just irreconcilable.
[04:39:31] It's a zero-sum game.
[04:39:33] And now you add to it the American religious layer.
[04:39:36] We're talking about the erosion of the appeal
[04:39:41] to international law or human rights or something.
[04:39:44] I mean, there's a reason why the Israeli government
[04:39:47] Um, uh, and you know, had like Ron Durmer, who was the confidant of MacNeil in 2021 said,
[04:39:54] we need to rely on the evangelicals, not on American Jews in America, because the American
[04:39:57] Jews are essentially too, too much into human rights and democracy and, and, and
[04:40:01] international law.
[04:40:03] And just to kind of rely more on this religious, religious narrative, even in the American
[04:40:07] side.
[04:40:08] So I worry about the, I worry about the continuation of this religious right on
[04:40:12] in Israel, the religious right in the Palestinians, our religious right, um, yo, no, you don't even
[04:40:20] have to say the religious right of the Palestinians. That's crazy for zero. I mean zero Palestinians.
[04:40:27] And I can say this with the utmost conviction for zero Palestinians. This is a religious war,
[04:40:33] zero. Okay. In their domestic governance, there might be some elements of, like, it's not even remotely
[04:40:46] close to, like, Iran or certainly not Saudi Arabia or anything like that. But this crisis is an
[04:40:53] existential one. It's survival. That's precisely the reason why I always stress the importance
[04:40:58] that it's like, like there are Christian Palestinians, like Ahab Hassan, right?
[04:41:08] There are Palestinians who might be Muslim, but have issues with Hamas's governance, right?
[04:41:18] And sometimes they'll even openly criticize Hamas, right?
[04:41:22] But every single Palestinian will tell you universally that the number one problem is the occupation.
[04:41:34] Okay, that's it. The number one problem that harms daily Palestinian existence is Israel.
[04:41:49] Israel. Okay? It's that simple. The only Palestinian that will tell you that Israel is not the problem
[04:42:04] is a Palestinian that's probably being paid by the state of Israel or paid by the United
[04:42:09] States of America. There are some. There are some out there. Right? They exist. Many
[04:42:16] of them hate me. Talk about me all fucking time.
[04:42:23] I think that's frightening to me. So Israel consolidates control over Gaza. I mean certainly
[04:42:29] it's consolidating a lot of control over the West Bank. And from there there's been a series
[04:42:33] of, you know, expansionary moves. There was, you know, during the Gaza war, the sort
[04:42:37] of decapitation of Hezbollah, which sort of initially we were told function to spread
[04:42:41] them as an organization. That seems to have been true. They do succeed in convincing
[04:42:45] President Trump to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities.
[04:42:48] We're told.
[04:42:50] The rest of this is not interesting to me.
[04:42:58] What is this, Klein?
[04:42:59] Something you've mentioned a few times
[04:43:01] is that Israel's dependence on the United States.
[04:43:02] And I want to ask that if that's still true, me.
[04:43:05] It's even more true than in the past.
[04:43:09] One more thing.
[04:43:10] Aside from the point that no country can replace
[04:43:11] what Israel gets from the US,
[04:43:12] much of the influence that Israel has with other states
[04:43:15] Stems from perceptions that it provides a shortcut to Washington without presumption of us Israel bond
[04:43:20] Much of that disappears. Yes. I brought this up as well. If you remember we were talking about like
[04:43:26] Israel getting
[04:43:28] Israel shopping for another daddy, right? Let's say
[04:43:32] America cuts all ties with Israel, right? InshaAllah one day and then Israel starts shopping for a new
[04:43:41] A new major power that it will that will aid them
[04:43:45] Right? No regional power will aid Israel in the absence of America.
[04:43:52] Not even Russia, I don't think. Russia is the only one that like could potentially,
[04:43:57] but no regional power, no major power, no great power, no world power will ever aid Israel.
[04:44:04] Because the moment, the moment that that tie between Israel and America is severed,
[04:44:09] Israel loses its utility for all these other countries, okay? It's so funny. People are bringing up other countries in the chat like Ukraine, okay?
[04:44:22] They're saying India, they're saying Germany. No. The answer is fuck no. First of all, with what army? With what tools? You're out of your fucking mind.
[04:44:34] mine. Y'all are crazy. There is no alternative sugar daddy for Israel because the only reason
[04:45:00] And why any of these countries still currently deal with Israel positively and don't apply
[04:45:07] more pressure to Israel is because they see Israel as an extension of America, okay?
[04:45:18] That's it.
[04:45:20] Some chatters are saying, how do you reconcile with the fact that they have nukes?
[04:45:24] Well, another apartheid state came down, and they too used to have nukes.
[04:45:32] And when they realized that the apartheid was on the verge of abolition, they destroyed
[04:45:39] their nuclear arms because they were worried that black people might control them.
[04:45:44] That was South Africa.
[04:45:46] At a certain point, and this is why I stress the importance of boycotts, divestments, and
[04:45:55] sanctions, because at a certain point, countries that have benefited, countries that have
[04:46:08] benefited from being in the bosom of Western empire, countries like South Africa, countries
[04:46:14] like Israel, will not want to let their treats go away. But if they maintain social pariah status,
[04:46:25] specifically because they're an apartheid state, you apply tremendous pressure to these countries.
[04:46:34] So much so, that they're forced to recalculate. Do we still want to maintain this psychotic
[04:46:41] apartheid state with zero aid from anybody else, constantly in a state of panic,
[04:46:50] constantly getting bombarded by neighboring states with no aid whatsoever, remember?
[04:46:59] Or is there a better alternative out there? Can we chart a better course?
[04:47:03] I suspect that in some ways looking at the not to get you know I don't want people to yell at me as
[04:47:19] they usually clip this part but Israel's real demographic future concerns is not losing the
[04:47:27] Jewish majority status. Israel's real demographic future concerns that will
[04:47:33] collapse it is the fact that the only growing population is not the effete
[04:47:40] liberal Ashkenazis or the ones that are going to college like the secular Jews
[04:47:45] that live there. The fact that it's the the Haredi population, the Orthodox
[04:47:52] Ultra-fundamentalist population is the only growing population group in Israel, okay?
[04:48:04] If this keeps up in a couple decades and we see this in the polls, if you look at
[04:48:12] the parties that are growing in popularity in Israel, you see that
[04:48:16] there to the right of Netanyahu. Right? If this keeps up, if this demographic change
[04:48:24] amongst the Jewish population continues, the educational attainment diminishes. Right now
[04:48:36] in Israel, the literate, highly educated, Western focused population is still in control.
[04:48:42] Benjamin and yeah, who was one of those guys? Okay. When those guys no longer exist in Israel,
[04:48:56] at that point, it might be the point of no return. Okay. Because the last
[04:49:06] the last time Israel could make that calculation of do we continue being a nuclear armed
[04:49:12] Militant apartheid state that's doing genocide to all of its neighbors or do we normalize relations with the Western world?
[04:49:19] That calculation will look very different if it's a society run by Itamar, Bengibir, Bezalos, Montereych
[04:49:27] And and is majority people like Itamar, Bengibir and Bezalos, Montereych. You understand?
[04:49:34] Like Benjamin Netanyahu is a fucking monster. He's you know Adolf Hitler reincarnate, right?
[04:49:41] But even Benjamin Netanyahu is still better than those other demons
[04:49:47] Because those other demons are even more
[04:49:51] More of a zealot than Benjamin Netanyahu is once we get to that point BDS won't even matter
[04:49:58] We're talking about a
[04:50:01] Society run by Itamar Bengevier Bezalos Montreach with nuclear arms that are
[04:50:09] Hell bent on death and destruction
[04:50:11] to commit to the greater Israel project that will nuke its neighbors and will get nuked in return who knows skies the limit
[04:50:23] Bracing myself or everyone saying the problem isn't the Israeli government, but it's the Prime Minister Ben Javier. Who's the problem now make no mistake?
[04:50:29] By the way, I'm not doing that either. I'm not saying like oh like
[04:50:33] You know, there's a there's even worse a bigger evil out there
[04:50:36] I'm saying that there are even less reasonable motherfuckers than Benjamin and Yahu out there. I'm not putting the blame on just the leadership
[04:50:44] I'm I'm talking about like the Israeli cultural attitudes
[04:50:49] okay
[04:50:53] But you've seen the hilltop youths right and the West Bank the Rastafari looking
[04:51:00] motherfuckers that are doing terrorism
[04:51:02] the settlers, right? Like imagine a society that's run by those guys, because
[04:51:08] that's the future that Israel is headed towards.
[04:51:22] The state of Israeli politics, Bezalos Monturich, who talks about seizing
[04:51:26] southern Lebanon and Damascus for Israel's territory, is seen as a more
[04:51:28] Restricted is seen as more restrained than bankivir and therefore less popular with voters
[04:51:33] At the same time finance minister bezelsman's religious Zionism party, which ran on a joint list with ozma yahudit
[04:51:41] Jewish power party by the way
[04:51:44] Not sure why they didn't translate that one because that's what ozma yahudit is
[04:51:51] The Jewish power part like the white power party is the same shit right white power Jewish power same shit
[04:51:58] In the last election, which currently holds seven of the Knesset's 120 seats, again failed
[04:52:05] to pass the electoral threshold, as it has consistently in most polls for some time now.
[04:52:09] Why is one of Netanyahu's far-right allies surging in the polls while another has dropped
[04:52:13] so precipitously?
[04:52:15] Bankevir is hardcore, and today everyone wants hardcore, pollster Mitchell Barak of Kievan
[04:52:21] Research, Strategy and Communications told the Times of Israel, explaining that Bankevir's
[04:52:27] harsh rhetoric appeals to young voters on the right much more than the more restrained Smoltridge.
[04:52:46] And remember Smoltridge's fan base is so psychotic that Smoltridge had to encourage his followers
[04:52:52] of the first gust of ceasefire was only temporary. New Jewish insider drop, Plattener praised Hamas
[04:53:01] tactics. I dig it in 2014. Grand Plattener praised Hamas tactics in a 2014 graphic video of murders
[04:53:08] of Israeli soldiers. Plattener and Reddit posts on Hamas terrorist attack from a strictly
[04:53:12] professional standpoint. This was a damn fine looking and successful raid against a superior
[04:53:16] your opponent. I dig it.
[04:53:25] Y'all had, y'all were talking big shit.
[04:53:31] It's not Jewish Insider, it's Hassan Abbey Insider now, brother.
[04:53:37] Yeah.
[04:53:43] i like that he said they they wrote
[04:53:46] murders of israeli soldiers
[04:53:53] you're talking about
[04:53:54] of resistant front resistance front
[04:53:58] defending its ancestral homeland against an occupying forces armed
[04:54:03] military
[04:54:05] you can't use the word murder when you're talking about that
[04:54:09] okay
[04:54:10] That's ridiculous.
[04:54:15] Murdering these 27 year old heavily armed babies,
[04:54:21] former babies, mind you, inside of a Merkava tank,
[04:54:26] which was formerly just steel.
[04:54:30] Think about that.
[04:54:32] Former babies sitting inside of a vehicle,
[04:54:36] maybe a tank, or who knows what the vehicle is,
[04:54:38] but it's a vehicle nonetheless,
[04:54:42] innocently moving from one point to the next.
[04:54:58] Ah, photos, Senate Democratic Leader Church,
[04:54:59] Schumer votes no on Bernie Sanders
[04:55:01] measure to block arms sales to Israel.
[04:55:05] Hmm.
[04:55:08] I got hit by the demon can Ray can you be the rabbi at my wedding I got hit by the
[04:55:31] da mona can read what the fuck is that da mona can read
[04:55:42] slot in the same camp from yes from warren or war not to show any significant
[04:55:46] non felt certain supporters of this effort
[04:55:50] uh... could be looking at an overwhelming majority of senate thems plus
[04:55:53] allies vote in the block weapons israel slot in the same camp
[04:55:56] who
[04:56:04] was previously hearing thirty five is a possible high point for the number of
[04:56:07] dams and allies senators who would vote against weapons for israel now i
[04:56:10] because expect the number
[04:56:11] on at least one of tonight's votes to be over thirty five
[04:56:26] I dig it, Grand Planner praised the moustaches in the 2014 graphic video of Murders of his
[04:56:41] rarely soldiers.
[04:56:46] Planner and Reddit posts on Hamas Taras Tag from a strictly professional standpoint.
[04:56:49] This was damn fine looking and successful rate against a superior opponent.
[04:56:55] The main Senate candidate, Grant Platt, repeatedly praised the tactics used by Hamas, Therese and Kamas made a graphic video of Hamas raiding to Israel in 2014, which Therese killed at least five Israeli soldiers.
[04:57:05] In archive posts from his now deleted Reddit profile under the username P Hussle.
[04:57:17] P Hussle.
[04:57:19] Platt.
[04:57:20] Planner commented on a video post titled helmet footage from Hamas cross-border raid would show the attack on multiple Israeli soldiers
[04:57:29] The original video also now deleted, but still archive was posted by a YouTube channel called subah
[04:57:36] That's definitely Turkish by the way. I assume
[04:57:40] Subah means morning that might have that might have been a Turkish newspaper. Subah used to be a Turkish newspaper
[04:57:45] I don't know if it still exists or not
[04:57:47] On July 29, 2014 with the description, secret footage shows the storming of a settlement
[04:57:53] by the Cassomburgates and the killing of 10 soldiers, the description comments in the
[04:57:57] reddit thread, appear to match a raid by Hamas's Al-Kassomburgates on a military base near
[04:58:02] Kibbutz in the Hall of Oz the day prior.
[04:58:08] According to a text description of the video and the raid shared online, the video includes
[04:58:11] footage of the shootings of several of the socialists, at least one of whom is screaming
[04:58:14] as a terrorist attempt to kidnap him.
[04:58:17] him. He's a soldier in a military base that is currently occupying Palestinian territory.
[04:58:24] That's not, you can't say it's a kidnapping. What the fuck, words mean things, man.
[04:58:32] Looks like an all-around well-executed and successful small unit raid to me,
[04:58:36] Plattener wrote in 2014 on the reddit forum r slash combat footage discussion board for footage
[04:58:40] and photographs of passing current armed conflicts. Responding to another user,
[04:58:44] criticized the execution of the Israeli soldiers and emphasized the attack would lead to heavy
[04:58:47] reprisals in Gaza, Platinum said he was not interested in discussing the geopolitical
[04:58:51] or strategic implications, but suggested Hamas's tactics and actions were reasonable.
[04:58:58] As for a version to execution, a small unit raid tends to be used to inflict casualties
[04:59:02] and take prisoners in a short period of time, Platinum wrote.
[04:59:04] Pragmatically, I have little problem with killing an enemy combatant who you
[04:59:07] attempt to capture, but for whatever reason cannot.
[04:59:11] From a strictly professional standpoint, this was a damn fine-looking and successful raid
[04:59:15] against a superior opponent, I dig it.
[04:59:18] He acknowledged in response to another use of the terrorist actions were brutal, and that
[04:59:21] the terrorist should have shot one of the soldiers instead of beating him to death.
[04:59:25] Three of them beat that guy to death.
[04:59:26] That's just barbaric.
[04:59:27] They should have at least had the decency to shoot the guy.
[04:59:29] No argument here.
[04:59:30] Okay.
[04:59:31] So he's just like straight up being a military chud, okay?
[04:59:36] He just can't help himself.
[04:59:38] like literally just a military chud who's like who raw I dig it you know no
[04:59:44] argument there no argument there buddy wasted time and and kinetic energy if
[04:59:50] you ask me he's just doing military raid reviews man that's like classic
[04:59:57] fucking god he's such a fucking chud it's so funny this is so marine coded
[05:00:03] Yes
[05:00:06] Responding to another user who disputed Platinum's characterization of the Hamas attack as a raid and said that the attack was not resistant
[05:00:11] It's just drawing blood to score imaginative points
[05:00:14] God, I fucking can't stand redditors because you know all these other fucking redditors are also like annoying
[05:00:21] Most likely Air Force dipshits. Okay, um actually, sir
[05:00:26] It's just scoring imaginative points in the war Platinum suggests the Hamas tears were preferable
[05:00:32] To those who attacked the US forces in Iraq it was a rock and those guys were in civilian clothing with silence weapons
[05:00:39] This video shows a unit of men in full uniform
[05:00:41] Assaulting uniform military personnel of an enemy their organizations currently engaged in military operations with there's no comparing the two
[05:00:48] Platinum wrote generally you try to cash the enemy off-guard and killed it with the least resistance
[05:00:51] This looks like a pretty audacious plan that worked and I'll certainly give credit where credit is due no matter who they are fighting for
[05:01:02] Oh, by the way, look look look if by raid this is all I'm so glad they posted all of the fucking comments because you can see the fucking reddit energy all over it
[05:01:12] If by raid you mean killing slash murdering soldiers opposed no threat a success. It's sad
[05:01:17] It reminds me when I saw Afghanistan's or it was a rock notes. It came to a south pistols of murder everyone in the checkpoint
[05:01:23] It's not resistance. It's just drawing blood to score imaginative points in a war and then someone else responds soldiers who pose no threat and
[05:01:30] And then in italics soldiers who pose no threat I believe killing enemy soldiers are a defining
[05:01:37] characteristic of the human activity colloquially known as war now that other guy also has read
[05:01:43] it energy because it's reddit everyone has read it energy but he makes a fine point there
[05:01:49] and then that's when p hustle p nasty comes in and says that was audacious and I respected
[05:01:56] platner's come under five or governor jen mills it was
[05:01:59] his main competitor not really let's be real in the democratic primary by
[05:02:02] republicans
[05:02:03] for other password post under p hussle username which have disparaged a wide
[05:02:07] range of groups included
[05:02:08] various
[05:02:09] offensive comments
[05:02:10] he's also face scrutiny for his criticism of israel
[05:02:12] and a tattoo on his chest of an apparent nazi symbol
[05:02:27] Bro, that's BlackRock, WokeCenery.
[05:02:30] I do it, dude, dude.
[05:02:34] Can we admit he contains multitudes?
[05:02:37] Is that possible?
[05:02:38] Can we admit that?
[05:02:41] Because like.
[05:02:46] I mean, this is the type of shit that even fucking
[05:02:49] some of his greatest critics would probably look at and go, OK.
[05:02:56] Okay, might have to hand it to the boy, okay?
[05:03:06] Yeah, Booker is real lost Booker. Well, they didn't lose Booker. This is again much more manageable bill
[05:03:20] Can you ask the blue sky liberals currently in here to explain why a guy praising Hamas eight plus years ago
[05:03:25] will actually be Fetterman. No, in my community, it's not blue sky liberals that get mad. It's the
[05:03:30] other side. Neither are obviously consequential in the main election and just not really consequential
[05:03:36] at all in any election. But you got this weird unholy alleges between blue sky liberal rad libs.
[05:03:46] And some people who are just straight up Israel first and the most anti-Israel people you've
[05:03:53] ever encountered, right? Like Mao's Third Worldist, people who are, you know, people who call me a
[05:04:00] Nazi piece of shit, forever entertaining anyone that has ever, you know, held up arms and sold
[05:04:08] their soul to the Department of Defense in any capacity. Those guys, those guys, this is the
[05:04:19] the type of shit that those guys are reading they go okay never mind for the
[05:04:25] people for the yeah exactly the the troops oh my god what the fuck is it
[05:04:31] messed up again is it busted again god damn it oh my god oh my god
[05:04:40] hold on hold on to your butts
[05:04:47] hold on to your butts em is real high em is real high em is real high I guess
[05:04:54] of our grand platter uh we are this is my baby
[05:04:58] still mill oh god it's not working it's on your box right now oh shit
[05:05:17] God damn it.
[05:05:22] Um.
[05:05:26] Grand platter on stream when? I mean, maybe.
[05:05:32] Everyone on the Israeli government website, buddy.
[05:05:36] There's nothing to do with this happened before as well.
[05:05:40] Fuck, dude. What the fuck? Let's see who the fuck's to stand though.
[05:05:46] This was not working. Your laptop is hot. No, it's not my laptop. Laura Ingram is
[05:05:53] talking about me. Fuck! Yo! Someone sent me a different Fox News Live link. Someone
[05:05:59] sent me a different Fox News Live link. Someone sent me a different Fox News
[05:06:01] Live link. This was not working. This was not working. This was not working. I
[05:06:05] don't know why.
[05:06:08] They're calling me the Democrat darling.
[05:06:13] He said, quote, kill them, kill those MFers and murder those MFers in the streets.
[05:06:21] Let the streets soak in their bleeping red capitalist blood, dude.
[05:06:27] In a video game.
[05:06:28] So much traction among younger voters that he's plotting to take over the whole party.
[05:06:32] I think we do have a real opportunity to make some significant changes and build a real
[05:06:38] uh... left caucus
[05:06:40] uh... in in the party and and hopefully maybe even believe some other democrats
[05:06:43] into
[05:06:44] uh... coming on board
[05:06:46] with positions that they previously
[05:06:49] would would never have the moral courage to
[05:06:52] to uh...
[05:06:53] uh... openly
[05:06:54] fight for
[05:06:56] and another reminder that having a social media following doesn't mean having a
[05:06:59] brain
[05:07:00] but just the gen Xers were moving hard left one of the democrat party's
[05:07:04] most prominent donors billionaire tom steyer
[05:07:07] is now the frontrunner for governor of california and he's a total fanatic
[05:07:12] i'm very straightforward about this i should be abolished
[05:07:17] you really can't reform an organization
[05:07:21] which is
[05:07:22] absolutely wrong and criminal from top to bottom
[05:07:26] yeah he's even more open borders than uh... gavinerson if that's possible
[05:07:29] joining us now markway mullin joins us to the first interview
[05:07:33] since leaving the senate or no that's the department of homeland security
[05:07:37] secretary secretary
[05:07:38] all my god the department of home ministry secretary is going to talk about
[05:07:41] me uh-oh
[05:07:42] dhs it's feels
[05:07:44] it feels a little comfortable me though it's in the same style
[05:07:47] uh... joke there former insane as well and that's what it is yeah but it's a
[05:07:50] thing to take the top some people i love it though i tell you i haven't
[05:07:53] quit so haven't quit smiling but it what's crazy is like in the evening
[05:07:56] when i walk out
[05:07:57] there's wild turkeys there i mean you're this close to dc and you see
[05:08:00] while i have their dear there's a hundred seventy five acre why are they
[05:08:02] talking over one. It's a little bit somewhat relaxing but we got such an
[05:08:06] important job we can be isolated and just focus on protecting the homeland
[05:08:10] so it's it there's there's a there's a little bit of excitement every time I pull
[05:08:15] in yes. So Tom Steyer it looks like he could very well be the next governor
[05:08:20] of California I never thought anyone could get to the left of Gavin Newsom
[05:08:23] but he's serious about prosecuting ICE he's serious he said about returning
[05:08:30] those who have been deported right to California my go action to this because
[05:08:35] that I understand would be a federal criminal violation to impede ice well
[05:08:40] he doesn't have the authority to do it and he's talking on the left side of
[05:08:42] his mouth which he is to the left of us but he doesn't understand ice's role
[05:08:47] he says they're criminal from top to bottom ice is enforcing the laws that
[05:08:50] congress pass that means that the democrats that are that represent
[05:08:54] California in the federal government if they wanted to change ice's authority
[05:08:58] they could do it. I simply enforces the nation's immigration policies and supports individuals.
[05:09:04] To people asking, is Tom Stier good? I don't know. Look at the way they're talking about
[05:09:07] them. To begin with, we're not doing anything outside the law. We're working well within
[05:09:11] the law and they're doing a job every single day and protecting even people like himself
[05:09:16] that want to decriminalize criminals. Doesn't make any sense to me. I want to get your
[05:09:21] thoughts on this horrific story. I know you're aware of it out of Georgia. This
[05:09:26] This individual, Alok Kutyan Adon Abel, was arrested after he allegedly went on a random
[05:09:32] murder spree.
[05:09:33] Right.
[05:09:34] Two women were killed, a homeless man shot, now we're learning that the guy's a UK national,
[05:09:38] that the bi-
[05:09:39] Okay, so, uh, good, you know, good news is, I don't think that she's gonna demand
[05:09:46] that fucking Mark Wayne Mullen, you know, prosecute me somehow.
[05:09:51] Bad news is Mark Wayne Mullen is the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security and
[05:09:57] I had forgotten about that until this very moment and he is such a shithead personally.
[05:10:05] So you will be in the news for another month because of Steyer, but I don't understand
[05:10:11] like what are they saying that I'm like a dangerous radical that wants to kill Tom
[05:10:16] or something like what's the argument there or that Tom Steyer is a class
[05:10:20] trader who wants to soak the the streets with the blood of capital is is
[05:10:26] something boy you were playing in my gym
[05:10:40] dude I've been on a lot of fucking gym TVs these past weeks these past
[05:10:45] couple of weeks. New record reach, 40 senators. Old was 27 before it was 19.
[05:11:00] Blumenthal, Coons, Cortez Masto, Federmann Gillibrand and Rosen and Schumer voted with
[05:11:05] the Republicans, but record high 40 senators to vote to block $300 million of bulldozers
[05:11:16] to Israel.
[05:11:17] How much is it cost to deploy?
[05:11:22] It's like $18,225 on average to go through the prosecution to-
[05:11:30] It's still, I mean, it's still gross.
[05:11:32] It's still gross to think about.
[05:11:33] So what the fuck is up with New York Senators, bro? Chuck Schumer and Gillibrand, both.
[05:11:38] That's crazy.
[05:11:40] God.
[05:11:42] They have no fucking idea that they're unleashing upon themselves by base boosting every fucking
[05:11:50] day.
[05:11:51] Yeah, I don't, I don't get it.
[05:11:55] I mean, I don't know what the goal is here because like, if I never associate with
[05:11:58] another fucking American politician going forward because they're so scared that doesn't change
[05:12:05] what I do even this much.
[05:12:11] Which is also not even fucking going to work regardless but like even if it,
[05:12:16] so even if they're like maximum pressure campaign if it succeeded was still not
[05:12:22] impede on what I am choosing to do. Ironically enough, every time they talk about me, as mainstream media, it ends up boosting my profile.
[05:12:37] Yeah, 9-11 and Hamas loving Hassan plotting party takeover was the banner. It's so funny.
[05:12:49] It's so funny when your your name is Hassan especially when it's like everything that
[05:12:55] I say it's like pretty basic stuff. I'm saying that like there are a lot of people that
[05:12:59] want changes in the Democratic Party which implies not like to do that 9-11 and I'm
[05:13:04] I'm talking about Medicare for all, obviously, and also reexamining our
[05:13:09] relationship with the state of Israel.
[05:13:11] But like they literally make it seem like I'm sitting there nefariously
[05:13:14] sitting alongside Ilhan Omar and we're plotting to do, to make the Democrats
[05:13:18] a party that does 9-11s on US soil all the time or some shit.
[05:13:29] You know what I mean?
[05:13:34] It doesn't change you, but it does change to them potentially and are more likely to win way.
[05:13:52] Why didn't at least 10 total cross over Republicans break ranks because they don't exist?
[05:14:04] Dude, what is wrong with you? Bill Jensen, a fake Christian local, I was called out and
[05:14:10] he did not change. I don't know who the fuck this is. I don't know why he keeps spamming
[05:14:13] this random guy. I came across the IG post aligning you to Putin. Yeah, Pooitler. Yeah,
[05:14:25] it's a multifaceted, multi-pronged approach, you know? Considering that I've given
[05:14:31] to take over the course of 21,000 hours on every single fucking issue, and considering
[05:14:38] that my worldview is either shocking or alarming to the average American because, you know,
[05:14:46] anti-imperialism is anti-American exceptionalism, and it makes a lot of Americans feel bad
[05:14:52] when they are called to question that maybe it's not good that we're the world police.
[05:14:59] There are a million different ways of attacking me instead of my question always is like, here's
[05:15:10] why I like the Yale debate last night.
[05:15:13] I'm going to tie that back to Yale, right?
[05:15:18] The reason why I liked, oh my God, here we go, the fucking thing is busted again.
[05:15:24] The reason why I liked the Yale Debate last night is because instead of people just going,
[05:15:32] you're an America-hating monster, a barbaric terrorist or something, people were at least
[05:15:39] like explaining what their worldview looked like and why what I was saying was wrong,
[05:15:45] Okay
[05:15:47] Which I appreciate at least it was a real conversation in most circumstances
[05:15:53] I can't even do that fucking real calm. I can't even have a real conversation because most people's immediate reflection
[05:16:01] Most people's immediate response is oh my god. Oh my god. You hate America. You hate America
[05:16:07] You love America's enemies. You hate America
[05:16:10] How can I have a conversation with someone like that? You're fucking stupid man, like shut the fuck up. I'm an American
[05:16:18] If I hated America I wouldn't live here
[05:16:20] It's always oh you criticize Israel or anti-Semite. Oh you criticize American foreign entanglements,
[05:16:42] American military interventions, American imperialism, you hate America. You're America
[05:16:48] hating bigot. It's just so fucking stupid. There's no, there's no worldview beyond that
[05:17:02] where it's like, oh, if you are at odds with American foreign policy, that must mean you
[05:17:05] want America to die. You want Americans to die. Anyway, let's get to you, Hanomar,
[05:17:11] to leave the refugee camp in Kenya also you learned how to scrap is that
[05:17:20] where you learned how to scrap no I mean I've got six older siblings we've got
[05:17:26] three brothers so and you've never lost one fight could you you could beat up
[05:17:31] anyone in Congress I don't I don't want my brother is being upset about this
[05:17:36] but yeah they they butts yeah I don't know why I said that way you eat your
[05:17:40] brothers butts to a little girl will leave that to the imagination you were
[05:17:46] a little though I was did you do it in front of girls their age no thank God they
[05:17:52] would have never lived that down but I rarely thought girls I mostly thought
[05:17:57] She's such a gangster.
[05:17:58] I'm sorry, no.
[05:18:02] Stay away from her, Adam.
[05:18:07] Fucked up.
[05:18:15] Stay away from her.
[05:18:18] Please.
[05:18:18] Los Angeles, California at the region theater.
[05:18:20] We sold out the first show.
[05:18:21] They've added a second.
[05:18:23] Enough of that.
[05:18:23] My guess this week is Ilhan Omar.
[05:18:26] representative from Minnesota and the House of Representatives.
[05:18:30] Since her election to the House in 2019,
[05:18:33] Omar has become one of the most well-known, often times,
[05:18:37] maligned politicians in America today.
[05:18:39] I really enjoyed getting to know her backstory.
[05:18:42] I knew some of it, but it's really
[05:18:45] unlike any other member of Congress.
[05:18:47] At eight years old, civil war broke out in Somalia,
[05:18:50] and she escaped to Kenya, to a refugee camp.
[05:18:54] And at 12, she moved to Virginia with her family before
[05:18:57] eventually settling in Minneapolis.
[05:18:59] Since her election to Congress, she's...
[05:19:02] Keep this gesture away from her majesty is right.
[05:19:09] Been subject to constant harassment and even death threats.
[05:19:14] There have been Republican candidates for office
[05:19:16] who have called for her execution.
[05:19:18] Multiple people have been imprisoned
[05:19:20] for plotting her assassination.
[05:19:22] President Trump has targeted her repeatedly
[05:19:25] throughout her entire time in Congress.
[05:19:27] He's advocated for her expulsion from the country,
[05:19:30] among just other derogatory, whatever.
[05:19:34] Finally enough, we had this scheduled twice before
[05:19:37] on the calendar, and those two times were the days
[05:19:41] that New York City had blizzards this year.
[05:19:43] It's just long and slow there.
[05:19:45] It's the Jewish God is mad at me.
[05:19:47] Hashem is mad at me.
[05:19:49] The first few times, she had extensive security detail
[05:19:53] that was provided by Congress.
[05:19:54] She was the only member of Congress that had it,
[05:19:56] and they needed access to do full security sweeps of the studio.
[05:20:01] And on Friday, when I asked her team if they needed access
[05:20:06] this weekend, they said that Speaker Johnson has revoked
[05:20:12] that security.
[05:20:13] You know, I had a bunch of questions
[05:20:14] prepared for the Congresswoman about what it's
[05:20:16] like for a person to endure all that.
[05:20:20] But what I could tell immediately
[05:20:22] is that she's genuinely just unafraid and unfazed,
[05:20:28] or at least she seems like she is.
[05:20:30] I don't think many people could do that.
[05:20:34] I think it takes a really special person to do that.
[05:20:37] So here's my interview.
[05:20:38] We do a funny bit up top if you're still watching.
[05:20:41] Oh, no
[05:20:44] She said it was better than her song just
[05:20:48] Congresswoman bro, that's crazy. That's crazy. Why would you lie like that? Why would you lie like that?
[05:20:54] This is fucked up, bro. This is fucked up
[05:20:59] Okay, this is the worst. Oh my god. Oh my god, dude
[05:21:06] My number one op I swear to God
[05:21:08] Unbelievable. She never said that. She told me she she said yuck. I'm going on the Adam Friedland show later yuck
[05:21:16] That's what she said
[05:21:18] Don't say mug chat shut up
[05:21:30] Stay away from her. Do you think we're cursed?
[05:21:32] Stop! Stop trying to say we. Oh, we're cursed. Haha. I stop.
[05:21:37] What are the issues?
[05:21:39] No, we've had two blizzards.
[05:21:41] In New York City, we've had two blizzards, and those were both on the day that you were supposed to come.
[05:21:47] Welcome to our situation in Minnesota.
[05:21:49] Yeah. Do you like it there? It seems plenty cold, no?
[05:21:54] Yeah, but as Prince said, it keeps the bad people away.
[05:21:58] One thing that kind of is a little bit upsetting to me is that
[05:22:02] the enemy of the show, Mr. Hasan, Hasan Pieker,
[05:22:06] got you, he snuck in there and he gave you a tea,
[05:22:10] that everyone, it's become a meme.
[05:22:12] Hasan got some store-bought, bottled tea that was warm.
[05:22:16] He doesn't understand the significance.
[05:22:19] He doesn't.
[05:22:19] This is why he won't get it, the bond that we have.
[05:22:24] And everyone's like, wow, he's such a great guy.
[05:22:26] So it's one of my favorites.
[05:22:28] So fuck you.
[05:22:29] Oh, yeah.
[05:22:30] Fuck you, Adam.
[05:22:32] Fuck you.
[05:22:33] Yeah.
[05:22:33] Yeah.
[05:22:36] All right, but what I've done one better.
[05:22:39] OK.
[05:22:39] I've gotten a big challenge.
[05:22:41] I've got an authentic Somali tea.
[05:22:43] We're going to do a cooking segment late night talk show
[05:22:46] style.
[05:22:46] Can we get it?
[05:22:47] Can we get the boys out here?
[05:22:49] And we're going to do a segment called Somali tea.
[05:22:53] OK.
[05:22:54] We're actually going to make Somali tea.
[05:22:56] We're gonna make Somali tea, you're gonna teach me how,
[05:22:58] but I'm also gonna spill some Somali tea.
[05:23:01] Okay, all right, sounds good.
[05:23:03] I don't know if you've been-
[05:23:04] I don't have Trumple and proof of this, but.
[05:23:06] What do you mean?
[05:23:07] Well, I heard Donald Trump's been getting fat.
[05:23:11] That's like that kind of thing, we're spilling tea.
[05:23:13] Hurry up, guys.
[05:23:15] She's not sure about the show yet.
[05:23:16] We gotta really win her over with this Somali tea.
[05:23:19] This is not new.
[05:23:20] This is not from Trump.
[05:23:21] No, no, we're not-
[05:23:22] She's not into it, she's not into it.
[05:23:23] Oh, oh, this is, this is 100% Hassanabi W Hassanabi victory.
[05:23:29] You got Mogdad fear.
[05:23:30] What are you talking about?
[05:23:32] Come on, come on.
[05:23:34] I can't believe, okay.
[05:23:35] I'm just saying, we're not gonna do racism.
[05:23:37] I'm just saying your tea can't come.
[05:23:41] No, listen sis, we're spilling the tea
[05:23:43] and it's gonna be piping hot.
[05:23:45] These things need to be grind.
[05:23:47] Would you have a-
[05:23:48] No, no, no, no, here, here are the leaves.
[05:23:51] Okay.
[05:23:52] But the cardamom needs to be broken.
[05:23:55] Oh my god, I look like an idiot, guys.
[05:23:59] What do I turn this on, extra hot?
[05:24:01] Do we have water?
[05:24:02] Do we have water?
[05:24:03] Oh, behind you.
[05:24:04] His voice is breaking.
[05:24:05] So yeah.
[05:24:06] Is this on?
[05:24:07] Do we have water?
[05:24:08] Is this on?
[05:24:10] Slow charm.
[05:24:13] Wow, this is just, I feel like a Jimmy Fallon, huh?
[05:24:18] Well, maybe I can serve a little piping hot tea,
[05:24:22] because I was on SomaliSpot.com.
[05:24:26] And I heard that the truth about that Ashraf guy on TikTok
[05:24:31] is that he's rich because he and his brother work
[05:24:36] for slash own an NGO in Somalia.
[05:24:39] But you didn't hear that for me.
[05:24:43] You get it, it's like tea.
[05:24:45] I got it.
[05:24:45] OK.
[05:24:47] Oh my god. Oh, that's so awesome. Oh god. Oh, this is unbelievable. Don't laugh.
[05:25:00] Adam gets really nervous around POC and woman. Yeah. Walk, walk. Woman of color.
[05:25:08] A little birdie. I'm struggling trying to keep things open. It's fine. We're good to go.
[05:25:14] You hate to see your boy phone bull. No, I love to see my boy phone bull
[05:25:18] So so what this is why Adams a comedian in your arm. He's hilarious. He's trying here. Okay. Don't let this fool you
[05:25:26] Oh, this is a comedy bit. He's actually
[05:25:29] Sincerely trying
[05:25:33] Cardamon it needs to be broken up, but okay, okay
[05:25:36] I'm he watching I'm
[05:25:38] told me that the president of Somaliland, Abdu-Raman Muhammad Abdullah, has announced a sweeping cabinet
[05:25:46] reshuffle involving new appointments, dismissals, and transfers across key ministries. But you
[05:25:52] didn't hear that from me, sis. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Okay. We were putting you to work. You're the guest.
[05:26:01] This is going to be delicious, I'm sure. I don't know if you heard this, but Ethiopian
[05:26:05] and Eritrea have been saying
[05:26:07] that they have more beautiful lighthouses than us.
[05:26:10] Well, we have the longest coast in Somalia,
[05:26:12] so I don't, I don't know.
[05:26:14] Yeah, and I heard Eritrea said she had breathing issues,
[05:26:17] but really it was a nose job.
[05:26:22] Oh my God, we're being so bad right now.
[05:26:26] So that's our bit, Somali tea.
[05:26:27] We're gonna, this is by far the stupidest thing
[05:26:33] we've ever done on the show.
[05:26:35] if you lift that I can lift this
[05:26:44] oh this is terrible, this is very dangerous
[05:26:54] our first cooking segment has been an absolute winner
[05:26:58] listen don't cut us to a lot of... I'm gonna be seeing Adam later tonight and let me tell you okay
[05:27:03] I'm taking fucking notes.
[05:27:05] To the Meltings.
[05:27:05] That's what Caleb told me.
[05:27:07] No, we have these.
[05:27:07] Yeah.
[05:27:08] I'm just saying, do we have months?
[05:27:10] I've really enjoyed Lurie about you for this episode.
[05:27:13] And then I think that you're obviously,
[05:27:15] do you feel like you're one of those
[05:27:17] well-known members of Congress?
[05:27:21] I mean.
[05:27:22] Sure.
[05:27:23] Would it be fair to say that you're used
[05:27:25] as a political cudgel?
[05:27:27] I might be a little bit of a boogeyman
[05:27:29] for the mad guy, yeah.
[05:27:30] Yeah.
[05:27:31] It started pretty much immediately, if I remember correctly.
[05:27:34] Yes, right after I won my primary race for the State House.
[05:27:39] So I should have actually known who I was.
[05:27:42] Well, how did Maroon 5 find out who you were?
[05:27:46] I don't know if any of you know this, but in the Girls Like You video, you are along
[05:27:52] with Ellen DeGeneres, Paul J. Lowe, Cardi B.
[05:27:58] Cardi B?
[05:27:59] Yeah.
[05:28:00] When like when did you come to national prominence or something like those obviously before you're in Congress what the fuck I won my
[05:28:08] state house race
[05:28:11] Okay, I don't care about this bill Jensen got that I was the first Somali
[05:28:15] Legislator to be elected in the United States
[05:28:18] And I think people didn't distinguish the fact that I was a state legislator and not a member of Congress
[05:28:25] really and so everybody was congratulating me I was getting phone calls from like
[05:28:29] world leaders and people are going to the capital trying to find my office and
[05:28:40] everyone is very stupid well it wasn't like just a very generous headline did
[05:28:46] they not yeah I think that people most people that don't know that the state
[05:28:52] legislators and you know because you're called a representative when you're a state
[05:28:56] legislator and when you're in the house you're also called the representative so
[05:29:01] people I think just kind of confused the two. And you beat a lady who wanted to
[05:29:05] lower the voting age to 12, is that correct? Well she was there for 44 years so. Yeah.
[05:29:10] But she said that 13 year olds should vote? She had some interesting ideas. I
[05:29:15] think that's cool. I think kids rule. I think the maximum voting age should be 18.
[05:29:20] I have a pretty smart 13-year-old and I'm not sure she's ready to vote.
[05:29:25] I think she is. I think the kids rock and teachers suck and there's too much homework.
[05:29:30] 13, that was my purpose.
[05:29:32] They don't give as much homework as they used to when I was in high school.
[05:29:36] Oh, boo-hoo. Let Dad rock.
[05:29:39] Yeah, I don't know. It's sad that for a parent, I'm like,
[05:29:42] I want the same torture I went through for my kids to go through.
[05:29:46] Did you have them at home for COVID?
[05:29:48] I did have them home for COVID for four kids.
[05:29:51] You were in the government and you had four kids at the crib?
[05:29:54] Yeah, it was wild.
[05:29:56] Were you losing your mind?
[05:29:58] It was actually more entertaining because I remember I was one time I was cooking
[05:30:04] lunch and my youngest daughter who was in elementary at the time, I think she was in third
[05:30:09] grade, was doing PE through the computer.
[05:30:13] The computer PE.
[05:30:14] Yeah, so I just like she was on her laptop at the dining room.
[05:30:18] the table and I turned around and she was doing jump jacks and it was, yeah it was a
[05:30:26] very weird thing to see her do and then like to hear everyone else like doing it
[05:30:31] through the noise that was coming from the computer. That was stinking though that
[05:30:35] you can't like see your friends for like two years. That was painful. Yeah, but it was good
[05:30:40] bonding time for I think the four of them. Do you think we afford kids
[05:30:44] enough sympathy for that? I think we only talk about their like gender,
[05:30:47] surgeries, but I don't think we talked about the fact that they went through a
[05:30:52] tough time growing up, no? Yeah, I mean there's a lot of like social
[05:30:57] interaction that was missed for a lot of the kids that went through COVID.
[05:31:02] They're weird, no. You lost your mom young. I did. So you were two? Two-ish, yeah.
[05:31:09] So I guess like how did you teach yourself how to be a mother? I did,
[05:31:15] Yeah, I mean, and I think you know sexually just talking to my youngest daughter
[05:31:20] About this a you know, I was raised by my dad. Does it hurt to watch you hum?
[05:31:24] Love another content readers jokes my number one op Adam. Yes, it does and they were both
[05:31:32] Stricts, but they like to talk to us as if we were adults
[05:31:37] And so we you know were free to have opinions and debate with them and it wasn't like they didn't consider it
[05:31:44] disrespectful and you know we had a lot of like autonomy as kids and so that's
[05:31:51] kind of how I raised my kids it's like they know what not to do but they're
[05:31:57] also like very independent and thank you just
[05:32:05] I appreciate it.
[05:32:07] Great timing.
[05:32:09] What's the l'chaim in Somalia?
[05:32:13] What's the cheers?
[05:32:14] Oh, we don't do cheers.
[05:32:16] Oh, because it's, no, yeah, Haram.
[05:32:18] Yeah.
[05:32:19] Well, l'chaim.
[05:32:20] You didn't make it into our vocabulary.
[05:32:22] L'chaim, yeah.
[05:32:24] I burned my tongue.
[05:32:26] Maybe salut.
[05:32:28] Salut.
[05:32:29] Yes, we were colonized by the Italians,
[05:32:31] so there's a lot of Italian influence.
[05:32:33] one thing when you were talking about your father that kind of I mean my parents moved to America as
[05:32:39] well and I like how to kind of communicate American culture I know you have changed your
[05:32:43] role but like that's actually he would not take offense to that he would actually probably like
[05:32:49] that quite a bit. Beyond being a single dad he also had was raising his kids in this alien culture
[05:32:55] yeah and you know there's like a really cute part part of your book when you talk about like where
[05:33:01] where you want to wear cute clothes in high school.
[05:33:04] And he was fine with that, but he's like, but no kissing.
[05:33:07] If you kiss, I'm out.
[05:33:10] I'm out on that, you know?
[05:33:13] Yeah, he was out on a lot of things.
[05:33:14] Yeah, me too.
[05:33:15] I remember in sixth grade, my parents
[05:33:19] got me regular underpants.
[05:33:20] And then sixth grade, you have to start
[05:33:22] changing for gym clothes?
[05:33:23] And so I asked my parents if I can get boxers.
[05:33:26] And my dad was like, why would a boy
[05:33:28] care about his underpants?
[05:33:30] I was like, I don't know, people are calling me gay.
[05:33:33] I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not gay, you know.
[05:33:36] And he's like, do you have body dysmorphia?
[05:33:37] I'm like, what does that mean?
[05:33:39] I had botchers for pajamas and I used to just,
[05:33:43] You do go from zero to 100.
[05:33:45] Immigrant parents?
[05:33:47] Yeah.
[05:33:47] Nothing makes sense to them.
[05:33:49] Yeah.
[05:33:49] It's really.
[05:33:50] I do still have a little bit of that, even though,
[05:33:52] like I've been here for 130 years.
[05:33:55] I still have like a little bit of that.
[05:33:57] Two African-American immigrants, it's true.
[05:34:00] literally
[05:34:02] technically not wrong
[05:34:05] but of the immigrant parent
[05:34:06] they kids are like okay
[05:34:07] relax
[05:34:09] we were joking
[05:34:10] you had to learn american
[05:34:12] yes
[05:34:13] we're hopping around a lot because i want to get into your story before that
[05:34:16] but
[05:34:17] what were the things that you could kind of educate what was it the show bay
[05:34:20] watch
[05:34:21] i mean i could watch anything
[05:34:24] my dad didn't have any context
[05:34:27] to like was on TV, what was appropriate or not appropriate.
[05:34:31] And he also had to work a lot.
[05:34:32] So he was a living home.
[05:34:34] And so I watched like Family Matters and-
[05:34:38] Urkel.
[05:34:39] Yeah.
[05:34:40] You were raised on, Urkel taught you?
[05:34:41] I was raised on everything that would come on TV
[05:34:44] after I got off school.
[05:34:45] So the TV was just on all the time.
[05:34:48] But I didn't speak English and I was struggling.
[05:34:53] This is your favorite member of Congress.
[05:34:55] I can't choose between her and Rashida.
[05:34:57] I love them both equally.
[05:35:01] I actually love a lot of Congress people.
[05:35:05] Summer Lee too, also incredible.
[05:35:08] I mean, these are the goats.
[05:35:10] Which when I came at the age of 12 that I knew.
[05:35:12] Did I do that?
[05:35:14] No.
[05:35:14] No, I would learn that.
[05:35:16] I know your first words.
[05:35:18] It was hello and shout out.
[05:35:19] Hello, shout out.
[05:35:20] And that's fun.
[05:35:22] when that's the only words you know in sixth grade something that's so cute yeah
[05:35:27] yeah maybe your teacher read something in your your book that I thought was
[05:35:31] adorable I don't want to misquote it but it said like Ilhan like age 11 hello shut
[05:35:37] up age 12 hello my name is Ilhan nice to meet you yeah it's like you're basically
[05:35:42] what a cry it's so cute it went Mr. Miller it was very yeah it was very
[05:35:46] cute. So what like when did I suppose like when did you first feel feel American you know?
[05:35:57] I don't I don't know if there's a moment if I believe when I could communicate and like navigate
[05:36:07] life um and feel like just like one of the other kids maybe it's maybe when I felt like I was
[05:36:13] American maybe that was like 14 13 14 it's fast yes you came here 11 no 12 12 so
[05:36:21] in two years you learned English and I was pretty fluent like three to six months
[05:36:26] and you learned Baywatch you learned yeah I would watch the TV that with the
[05:36:31] captions on my sister and I would just have the dialogue that they were
[05:36:38] having on TV and that was kind like it helped I guess not to develop a strong
[05:36:44] accent as well but yeah like I think much of my English before you know I got
[05:36:54] into my formal education was like context-based. Yeah all my non-American
[05:37:02] like family learned learned it from friends. Yeah. Maybe like Adam you're such a chandelier.
[05:37:09] You're so sarcastic. I'm like that's true. I am. I'm not definitely not Ross. I wish I was a Joey
[05:37:17] a little bit sometimes. Nobody wants to be a Ross. Ross? What a shmuck. I also don't know if I could
[05:37:24] handle a Joey. Joey? Why are you so stupid? Yeah. Joey's like you feel like yeah. You
[05:37:31] I learned English. Yeah, it was painful to hang out. I literally learned English watching American television
[05:37:38] That's why I don't have an accent. It was fun while it lasted Joey, but you're not you're no thinker
[05:37:43] I need someone to talk for an hour. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm a conversationalist
[05:37:49] So I'd like people who could hold and Joey would be like, I thought you were a sommelier
[05:37:54] You're like Somalian
[05:37:56] What's wrong with you Joey? How do you even have a license to drive? You shouldn't be allowed to vote
[05:38:01] You're smoking about so much, but I don't think people understand how much of a journey your life has been.
[05:38:06] And, but potentially how it's made you the person you are that-
[05:38:10] Please!
[05:38:11] Which is the person that's like, fuck you, I'm not going anywhere.
[05:38:14] You know?
[05:38:14] Yeah.
[05:38:15] We're born in Mogadishu, how old were you when the civil war broke out?
[05:38:19] Eight.
[05:38:19] Eight.
[05:38:20] What were your memories of Somalia before that?
[05:38:23] Well, this is the thing that people will usually get upset about, because they're like,
[05:38:26] she just glorifies her childhood and like my childhood was pretty normal like
[05:38:32] not being in a war that sounds pretty nice yeah I mean that was a part of my
[05:38:38] life I grew up in a very loud loving home my mother it's it's fascinating
[05:38:51] story culturally, in Somalia the tradition is that if you get married you have two options.
[05:39:02] Either you have your own home with your wife and your kids, or if you don't have enough
[05:39:11] resources the husband moves his wife in with his family.
[05:39:19] in-laws. Yeah. It's not very annoying. Well, it depends on who the in-laws are. And my mother was
[05:39:28] the firstborn of her family. And she wanted to help her dad economically. She wanted to help make
[05:39:41] sure her siblings were raised well. She was an ethnic minority too. She was. She's of the
[05:39:46] Yemeni heritage. And so she was very adamant that any Sluder had to agree to move in with
[05:39:58] her family, which was a cultural no-no. And so my dad, when supposedly she was, there was
[05:40:08] this coffee shop that he would frequent after work, and she would come by that coffee
[05:40:13] shop to go home. And he said it was love at first sight. He wanted to know who this woman
[05:40:20] was and started to show, he figured out where she worked and started to show up at her job
[05:40:26] and kept asking to talk to her. And she wasn't interested, but eventually said yes and he
[05:40:36] wore her down and then she made her demand that if they went to get married he had to
[05:40:43] move in and that was I suppose a hard choice for my father but he was in love with her
[05:40:50] mother and father and her siblings I know and she said yes and I think as it would
[05:40:59] be it was probably one of the best choices he made and so he moved in and we were
[05:41:05] were born in my grandfather's house. My grandmother died before I was born, so my mom had younger
[05:41:13] siblings that she had to help take care of as she was having kids. And so I grew up with
[05:41:18] my aunts and uncles along with my siblings, and so it was a full house.
[05:41:24] And you were the youngest, too?
[05:41:26] I'm the youngest of seven, yeah.
[05:41:27] Wow.
[05:41:28] Yeah.
[05:41:29] Being a member of Congress and understanding what it's like to be a child in a war-torn
[05:41:34] environment. What was that like as an eight-year-old? What are your memories of that?
[05:41:40] It's distorting because like I said I had a pretty normal childhood. My family was
[05:41:47] like middle-class, upper middle-class for Somalia standard in the 80s. You know I
[05:41:56] again I lived with my mother before she passed who had full-time
[05:42:04] employment, my father, my grandfather,
[05:42:06] mounds and uncles who were all teachers.
[05:42:09] So there's multiple salaries coming into our one household.
[05:42:14] So we were pretty comfortable and then we went from one day just being a normal kid,
[05:42:21] going to school and playing and the next day kids around your age are working around
[05:42:27] with rifles and there's bombs dropping.
[05:42:30] 38 year olds well 39 year olds shit eight eight year olds eight nine year olds. I know I see like an eight year old
[05:42:40] I look eight
[05:42:43] Okay, that's what are you doing a new kind of military operation whatever the fuck that is do memories of like
[05:42:52] Hearing gunfire do they inform your kind of morality or your understanding of like what the what it means?
[05:42:59] what war is. Yeah I mean I do think of wars through the lens of someone who
[05:43:04] survived one. Yeah. And I understand that the life the lasting impacts of of war.
[05:43:15] Yeah. It's the displacement, it's the trauma that you can't get rid of. I mean
[05:43:20] I still have PTSD. You know there's certain environments that. Do we hear
[05:43:27] these stories in your interview. No, we were talking about tactics. We were talking about
[05:43:32] the future of the party. We were talking about what we can do for America. Okay.
[05:43:44] Also, I know for a fact that if I try to conduct an interview like this, 98% of the chat would be
[05:43:49] like, why are you talking so much? Stop trying to be funny. Stop trying to be funny. Like,
[05:43:56] That's what you guys would do
[05:43:58] Good thing. He doesn't have a fucking annoying ass chatting his ear yelling at him any time
[05:44:03] I want to make a point when I have someone that I'm interviewing that goes beyond 60 seconds
[05:44:11] Everyone goes this is no longer a question fucking kill yourself. Why have you not killed yourself yet?
[05:44:17] Why don't you just kill yourself and die so that your guests can be the only person on camera who speaks and then
[05:44:23] And then you guys fucking are like,
[05:44:27] oh, why don't you do these kinds of things?
[05:44:29] Because you chat because of you, okay?
[05:44:45] That trigger it and I think for a lot of people,
[05:44:50] especially a lot of people in the United States,
[05:44:52] unless you've been a service member and been in combat zone,
[05:44:58] like people can't fully comprehend.
[05:45:01] So they're just like, oh, there's war.
[05:45:03] And things get back to normal, and everybody's fine.
[05:45:07] And nobody accounts for the destruction that happens.
[05:45:11] Nobody accounts for the misuse of education
[05:45:14] that instability brings, the loss of jobs,
[05:45:18] the loss of infrastructure, the loss
[05:45:22] of your memories, the connection to the family,
[05:45:26] to your history, you know, I get a lot of people who are like,
[05:45:30] you should be grateful that you have this beautiful life.
[05:45:34] I am grateful enormously that I have this beautiful life.
[05:45:37] More so.
[05:45:38] But it comes with a cost, you know,
[05:45:41] and I think that a lot of people,
[05:45:47] because we are in America, a lot of people just see people
[05:45:50] come here seeking a new life and just start like why aren't you just really
[05:45:56] excited? It's like yeah they are excited but they also have the the human
[05:46:00] capacity to miss what was lost. You know my great-grandmother who also lived
[05:46:09] with us and helped raise us. I didn't see her for many years after the the war
[05:46:17] or she passed away without me saying goodbye to her.
[05:46:21] And I would have loved to have been by her side
[05:46:24] when she passed away as I was
[05:46:25] with my grandfather and father.
[05:46:28] I think there's this notion of what a refugee is
[05:46:30] and in learning about you and researching for this,
[05:46:35] obviously there's a xenophobic thing happening,
[05:46:40] which is like for the first time I'm 38 or 39, fuck, 39.
[05:46:45] It sounds so bad. I'm 40.
[05:46:47] I'm turning 44 this year.
[05:46:49] So I don't know why you hanged up on...
[05:46:51] We're the same age?
[05:46:53] And you're in Congress.
[05:46:55] We're the same age. And you're in Congress?
[05:46:57] You would have been an eighth grade
[05:46:59] when I was graduating high school, so you're okay.
[05:47:01] Yeah, you would have bullied me probably.
[05:47:05] No, I was very much opposed to bullying you.
[05:47:07] We would have been best friends, obviously.
[05:47:09] I would have fought your bullies for you.
[05:47:11] No, I didn't have any because I was so funny.
[05:47:13] all the bullies were laughing so much at my funny jokes.
[05:47:16] I thought that's how people become funny is because they get bullied.
[05:47:21] A hundred percent.
[05:47:23] A hundred percent.
[05:47:25] Wow.
[05:47:27] Are we having a therapy session? Is that what's happening right now?
[05:47:30] Yeah, I'm going to get on the couch.
[05:47:33] Well, no, I think there's obviously...
[05:47:35] it seems like this is the most xenophobic I've ever seen of the country.
[05:47:41] But also, there's a notion of...
[05:47:43] Even more so, yeah, than his first term.
[05:47:45] Oh, I mean, it's not him.
[05:47:47] It's just, it's people, you know?
[05:47:50] But on the other side, I think there's a notion of refugee.
[05:47:54] Like, there's those, like, posters,
[05:47:56] like, refugees are welcome here.
[05:47:58] Almost as if, like, you know, that, like,
[05:48:02] you're lesser than kind of, even in the liberal sense,
[05:48:06] like, oh, please come.
[05:48:07] Like, you know, like, come sit down.
[05:48:10] It's well-meaning, though.
[05:48:11] it's well-meaning for sure but it's it's like a patronizing being a refugee as a
[05:48:16] real bullying school flock adult and is a is absolutely not my resilience is
[05:48:22] because I was a refugee and I you know like the you were supposed to come twice
[05:48:26] and your security detail was supposed to do an extensive sweep you had you had
[05:48:32] a like Secret Service level security because there are multiple people that
[05:48:39] They're incarcerated for plotting assassinations.
[05:48:42] Obviously, we saw at the town hall recently that,
[05:48:48] yeah, but you fucking charged.
[05:48:50] You were like, you're like, what, bitch?
[05:48:53] Yeah, you charged him.
[05:48:55] Yeah, I mean, I did the only thing I knew how to do.
[05:48:58] With Dawn on me, it was like, yeah,
[05:48:59] because like she walked to Kenya as an eight-year-old,
[05:49:03] you're a nine-year-old, you know, like.
[05:49:06] At close enough, I didn't walk all the way to Kenya,
[05:49:08] But yes.
[05:49:09] Well, you don't say walk to them.
[05:49:11] Make it sound worse.
[05:49:13] What, you got a piggyback ride?
[05:49:18] You went to, what are you, come on.
[05:49:20] Just let me do the, let me do the Jewish thing.
[05:49:23] She walked, can't be honest.
[05:49:25] And then seeing, Republican candidates for office
[05:49:28] calling for your execution and seeing the president
[05:49:32] fixated on you, I think it's fair to say.
[05:49:35] Is that where your bravery comes from?
[05:49:38] It's a very good interview, my office.
[05:49:40] You're doing a great job.
[05:49:41] Well, I mean, I think the, in the refugee story, I think,
[05:49:48] or any sort of displacement story
[05:49:51] through traumatic events, is that all that age of what
[05:49:58] doesn't break you, makes you stronger.
[05:50:00] There are people who do end up being broken, right?
[05:50:03] like, but I think it did the opposite for me.
[05:50:07] I think it gave me a sense of,
[05:50:11] I survived all of these things
[05:50:13] that could have destroyed me, could have killed me.
[05:50:17] And so what is the point of having fear?
[05:50:21] Like, I kind of really don't have the normal sense of fear.
[05:50:28] I mean, I have irrational fear of certain things,
[05:50:30] but I don't have.
[05:50:31] A little like claustrophobic. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that like because we had to hide under beds
[05:50:39] You know when the bombs would drop. Good thing I still have Kaia though. I Kaia mug him
[05:50:47] Then you know or like try to hold on to the side of a wall just to make sure if it claps that you could crawl out
[05:50:55] But I think those tight corners being put in those tight corners
[05:50:58] I think maybe helped me develop just a little bit of claustrophobia.
[05:51:02] I feel bad for seeing me too, but yeah.
[05:51:04] Yeah, but I mean there's different things that happen, right?
[05:51:06] Yeah, I don't know.
[05:51:09] But I think when you are eight and you are crossing multiple checkpoints and people
[05:51:18] have guns pointed at you, you just develop a sense of like, I got through that.
[05:51:27] What else could happen?
[05:51:31] Reminds me a lot of when my dad wouldn't get me boxer shorts
[05:51:34] when I was in sixth grade.
[05:51:35] Now we both, we have different stories
[05:51:38] and we've been through, I've been through a lot.
[05:51:40] Yeah, it was very traumatic.
[05:51:41] I didn't get, I didn't, a puberty until basically
[05:51:46] after 10th grade.
[05:51:48] So we've both been through a lot, you know?
[05:51:51] Isn't that not the normal age?
[05:51:52] I know you're grieving politics.
[05:51:54] No, it's not the normal age.
[05:51:55] Some of them in sixth grade, some of them are like with beards.
[05:51:59] And we're like, how are we the same grade?
[05:52:01] Two kids had sex in sixth grade.
[05:52:03] And I went home and cried.
[05:52:04] I don't know why I'm telling a sitting member of Congress
[05:52:06] this, but I cried.
[05:52:07] And I remember both their full names still to this day.
[05:52:10] I cried and said, I thought we were just kids.
[05:52:13] Sex?
[05:52:14] You saw them as they tell you about it.
[05:52:16] I just heard it.
[05:52:17] What's the context of this?
[05:52:18] It's around your sixth grade.
[05:52:20] You can beat both their names.
[05:52:21] I'm gonna see you for sharing the whole thing.
[05:52:29] So tell us about Kenya.
[05:52:30] Did you show with Malik Obama ever?
[05:52:32] No, I'm just saying.
[05:52:35] No.
[05:52:36] Did you ever link up with Malik Obama?
[05:52:38] That's so fucking stupid.
[05:52:42] Okay, that was, that was bars.
[05:52:46] He is?
[05:52:47] Is it a brother?
[05:52:48] Yeah, yeah.
[05:52:49] He's like, Maca.
[05:52:50] He's a hater.
[05:52:51] He's a hater from Kenya.
[05:52:53] He's just tweeting and hanging.
[05:52:54] I don't think we've been in the same region of Kenya, but...
[05:52:58] No, so your mentor in Kenya was Malik Obama.
[05:53:03] Is he related to Barack Obama or is that like a common last name?
[05:53:07] Is it like Kim in Korea?
[05:53:09] I don't know.
[05:53:10] Your family got the visa to move to the States and to leave the refugee camp in
[05:53:14] Kenya.
[05:53:15] Also, you learned how to scrap.
[05:53:18] Is that where you learned how to scrap?
[05:53:19] No, I mean I've got six older siblings. We've got three brothers, so...
[05:53:24] And you've never lost? One fight?
[05:53:27] Could you... you could beat up anyone in Congress?
[05:53:30] I don't... I don't want my brothers being upset about this, but...
[05:53:33] You beat them, they butts?
[05:53:36] I don't know why I said it that way. You beat your brother's butts?
[05:53:39] To a little girl?
[05:53:41] We'll leave that to the imagination.
[05:53:43] You were a little though.
[05:53:44] I was.
[05:53:45] Did you do it in front of girls their age?
[05:53:47] No.
[05:53:48] Thank God, they would have never lived that down.
[05:53:51] But I rarely fought girls, I mostly fought boys.
[05:53:54] She's such a gangster.
[05:53:56] I'm sorry.
[05:53:57] Girls are scratched, and I didn't want my face scratched.
[05:54:01] You're boxing MMA fan.
[05:54:03] I am a boxing MMA fan.
[05:54:05] Do you like my favorite boxer, Niawai?
[05:54:08] Anyway, do you like him?
[05:54:10] He's all right.
[05:54:11] The monster?
[05:54:12] You think he's all right?
[05:54:14] The amount of power on that size.
[05:54:16] I am a fan of the sport. I don't really have like bud. I don't
[05:54:23] Proffered yes. Yes. He's amazing. I watched his last fight against no. We just watched Wilder too. Oh, yeah
[05:54:32] This talk show is fine to help you stand out on 16 stars
[05:54:42] Or am I on track to him because it was on Calif
[05:54:46] Why America is $5.00? Why not?
[05:54:52] You asked me that, why America? Why you chose America?
[05:54:57] My grandpa.
[05:54:59] Your grandfather?
[05:55:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[05:55:01] He said America was the only country in the world where you will eventually become an American.
[05:55:08] And it's interesting because he was very right about that, you know, I don't know too many places where an immigrant can absorb the identity of a nation they arrive in.
[05:55:32] I it's true
[05:55:35] Yeah, hey you say that too. Yeah, it's because it's true. I mean look at me
[05:55:40] I'm a living
[05:55:43] Breathing example of this reality and so is she I
[05:55:47] Mean she's a she's a refugee. She's an immigrant and now a sitting congressperson. That's pretty remarkable
[05:55:54] right
[05:55:56] That is one of the most I mean it's an old Reagan quote as well
[05:56:00] but that's one of the most beautiful aspects of the United States of America, ironically enough.
[05:56:05] And yes, Canada as well. Jesus fucking Christ, Canadians. Oh my God, America's hat. Can't even,
[05:56:15] can't even have like a moment of shine for America without Canadians being like,
[05:56:21] A, A, did you forget about us?
[05:56:26] Don't you know, every country's like that.
[05:56:30] I wouldn't say every country's like that.
[05:56:39] America is a nation of immigrants.
[05:56:42] Okay.
[05:56:43] It's a nation of immigrants.
[05:56:44] There are plenty of countries that are, you know,
[05:56:46] open to immigrants and migration and migration patterns
[05:56:50] in general.
[05:56:51] But the United States of America, and I guess to a certain degree, Canada as well, is somewhat unique in that aspect.
[05:56:59] There's also, ironically enough, these last post-Trump era, America is a little bit different, but like,
[05:57:08] the American attitude towards first-generation immigrants, like given whichever, you know, migration pattern exists throughout American history,
[05:57:16] has always been one of resistance, but then they just become American.
[05:57:20] in the process of becoming american they also get annoying about the next wave of
[05:57:24] migrants coming in
[05:57:26] that's also somewhat a part of the american process where you're like
[05:57:29] fuck off
[05:57:30] these new guys
[05:57:32] are really ruining the vibes right
[05:57:35] it's like the irish coming in
[05:57:37] and the anglo-saxon pros would be like fuck off why do we want these
[05:57:42] uh... catholic monsters in the country
[05:57:44] and then the irish people become a part of the american identity and then
[05:57:47] they're like
[05:57:48] uh...
[05:57:50] Italians are coming in or Greeks are coming in like fuck off. Why are these why are these weirdos coming to the country?
[05:57:55] Why is Polish coming to the country? They're ruining everything and then they assimilate
[05:58:04] That's also a part of the cycle of becoming American I
[05:58:10] Guess because it's not an ethnicity right yeah like German is an ethnicity
[05:58:15] I know a lot of people use Japan as an example, which is crazy.
[05:58:20] I mean, I guess that's the thing I always thought was awesome about America.
[05:58:24] I mean, the people here who would be, you know, the inhabitants of what was to become America
[05:58:35] were not calling themselves that.
[05:58:39] And so I think that creates the distinction where, you know, like a country like Somalia,
[05:58:45] the people are Somali.
[05:58:46] So everyone else that's there, like they have their own ethnic backgrounds and stories,
[05:58:54] but there is a core group of people who are just Somali.
[05:58:58] As a legislator that is, that's Hidjabi, Shrey Vakajad, do you think that that is
[05:59:08] kind of on the surface, why so much of negative attention is
[05:59:13] paid to you?
[05:59:14] I mean,
[05:59:15] I would say less because I'm a woman and black or more because
[05:59:20] I'm an immigrant and a visible Muslim.
[05:59:23] Yeah.
[05:59:24] One thing that's odd to me is like, like the Obama era, right?
[05:59:27] Like you seem like a person that like, it would be the
[05:59:30] state of the union or something to point to the balcony be
[05:59:33] like, Ilhan Omar was a refugee in Kenya and she came to
[05:59:37] American, she worked her way up and became a success. It used to be something that we celebrate.
[05:59:43] Yeah, but I think that is the backlash is because it was celebrated, right? Like the
[05:59:48] the reason, you know, earlier you asked like why does, you know, how does everybody know you?
[05:59:53] How do you, you know, come to national attention? It's because I was the first for a whole
[06:00:00] community that like was barely recognized as being in the country. Yeah. And you know,
[06:00:06] Here I am, less than a little over 20 years after arriving here as a kid as a member of Congress
[06:00:14] You're the first African refugee. I am the first African born. You're the first Somalian. Yeah, you're the first
[06:00:21] Muslim woman. Yeah, to wear a dress. Rashida, Rashida. Rashida, but was it alphabetical?
[06:00:27] Yeah, but I'm also the first Muslim not born in the US Cyber Survey in Congress.
[06:00:32] Oh, so Rashida doesn't have that on you? No, she's born here. Yeah, she's born here.
[06:00:36] Yeah, it's kind of soft. Yeah, I mean then Keith Allison was born here. Andre Carson was born here
[06:00:41] Yeah, and Latifah Simon was born here. So there's four of us that are in Congress
[06:00:46] Yeah, but everybody seems to only remember I'm I'm the Muslim one that exists there because yeah, I'm visibly Muslim
[06:00:52] And I'm also an immigrant. Do you think they're also haters because like I don't know everyone's ugly
[06:00:59] No
[06:01:01] beautiful in there. Wait you think Lindsey Graham is beautiful in his own way? I'm sure somebody thinks
[06:01:06] Lindsey Graham is. You work at an ugly office. Okay let's be real. Have you seen some of these people?
[06:01:11] Why don't we let them in charge of us? It was not a beauty contest. Okay listen I'm not
[06:01:19] look at them. Some of it. What you think Mitch McConnell got got there because of pretty privilege?
[06:01:26] You think I got there because of pretty privilege? No I think you overcame a lot. Okay.
[06:01:31] I didn't know where we were going with this.
[06:01:35] I'm just saying, you don't go to work at an ugly place.
[06:01:39] One of my opponents when I first ran for office, no, said that I was gaining traction because
[06:01:48] I was attractive.
[06:01:49] And you were like, thanks, but no thanks.
[06:01:54] Yeah, yeah.
[06:01:55] No, I appreciated the compliment, but I'm pretty sure it was more than that.
[06:02:00] When you got into the house, I think probably our audience's understanding of Nancy Pelosi
[06:02:06] is kind of probably negative.
[06:02:08] I don't know.
[06:02:09] People are very hate Congress in general.
[06:02:11] Can you tell us a little bit about like, you know, what she told you about being a
[06:02:16] woman and the government?
[06:02:18] Why are you laughing?
[06:02:20] I meant to say that.
[06:02:22] Why is she laughing?
[06:02:23] I don't know if she...
[06:02:25] Did I say woman?
[06:02:28] Are you an imposter?
[06:02:29] Yes. I think that's not a bad question.
[06:02:33] How does it?
[06:02:35] Sorry.
[06:02:37] Sorry. I've just never met someone in a Maroon 5 music video
[06:02:41] with Ellen and Gal Gadot and Millie Bobby Brown.
[06:02:45] Young Millie.
[06:02:47] No. I mean, Pelosi is a fascinating person
[06:02:54] because, you know, she's...
[06:02:58] It's interesting because Nancy Pelosi, like Nancy Pelosi basically was the last like competent
[06:03:10] leader in the Democratic Party.
[06:03:12] Obviously, I consider her to be an ideological opponent.
[06:03:17] And her competence in many instances paired with her neoliberal ideology became a force
[06:03:25] uh... to reckon with
[06:03:28] however
[06:03:30] and i've talked about this for years if you were
[06:03:32] if you remember back in the day
[06:03:34] i'll talk about this
[06:03:35] all the time she was a very diligent very good
[06:03:38] uh... fundraiser but also
[06:03:41] a very reliable whip
[06:03:44] now of course that sucks for the left-flank because she would reliably
[06:03:48] whip votes against
[06:03:50] you know
[06:03:51] left most positions now
[06:03:54] you just said she's a rabid zionist reporter
[06:03:57] this is true
[06:03:59] this also makes the dynamic between her
[06:04:01] and in hanon marmar should leave even more fascinating
[06:04:05] because
[06:04:06] on the one hand there were moments where she'd literally hang around the dry
[06:04:10] when everyone was attacking her but also on the other hand
[06:04:14] they didn't vote to kicker off the the
[06:04:17] first of all she was placed on them
[06:04:19] you know of foreign relations committee
[06:04:21] which is huge that's like a decision that nancy Pelosi partook in okay
[06:04:26] as a young congresswoman okay green
[06:04:30] young congresswoman
[06:04:32] and a somali refugee
[06:04:34] who had negative opinions about israel very openly having negative opinions
[06:04:39] by israel
[06:04:40] nancy Pelosi being the
[06:04:42] smart tactician that she is
[06:04:44] placed around that committee
[06:04:47] okay
[06:04:50] in order to basically, you know, get some loyalty in return.
[06:04:56] Okay.
[06:04:59] Like this is the type of stuff that happens,
[06:05:01] I think behind closed doors that are important
[06:05:04] to pay attention to.
[06:05:10] Our critics regularly,
[06:05:14] I like that you watch TD pictures
[06:05:15] while your audience thinks you're fighting for something.
[06:05:17] Are you an imposter?
[06:05:18] You told that you are though, right? Are critics regularly permabanding here? Is that a good thing?
[06:05:24] What?
[06:05:26] What the fuck are you saying, bro?
[06:05:31] It's so funny, there's 30,000 people in here and there's like
[06:05:35] dumb fucks in the chat who think they're having like a one-on-one conversation with me and then they're like,
[06:05:39] haha, I bet you're gonna ban me for being a critic. It's like, yeah, I am, cause you're a fuckin' bot.
[06:05:45] Let us see the titty pigs. Come on, chatters. Please stop being fucking stupid.
[06:05:51] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys galvanize every dumb fuck, skitso in the chat that comes in
[06:06:00] here by leaning into the memes, you know what I mean? Every time some dumbass comes in here
[06:06:05] and is like, huh, bet you're actually currently plotting out the next real estate purchase
[06:06:10] you're going to be making, where you'll be kicking out a poor family into the dirt so that you can
[06:06:17] operate section 8 housing as a landlord. And then Chatterton would be like, wait a minute,
[06:06:25] he actually cooked. I do think you're doing that.
[06:06:28] And only daughter to a family of like many boys, yeah, so it's also a political family.
[06:06:39] Yeah, and she had her own, you know, I think, strengthening, growing up with lots of brothers
[06:06:47] in the same way that I did. She's very cool. I'm coach Zayde.
[06:06:52] If Hassan went to Yale, JD Vance went to an empty auditorium and Erica Kirk went to sleep
[06:06:58] because she didn't feel like doing all that.
[06:07:00] The thunderous applause Hassan received at this university was a complete 180 to the thunderous
[06:07:08] silence that JD Vance got.
[06:07:10] Because the only people who care about JD Vance are his mother and possibly his side
[06:07:16] chick, Erica Kirk.
[06:07:18] Allegedly, allegedly.
[06:07:20] Speaking of a legend, allegedly Hassan Piker is apparently a terrorist, socialist terrorist
[06:07:25] at that, because he thinks people should have free health care, free education, livable
[06:07:31] wages, and scariest of all, he doesn't support genocide.
[06:07:37] What kind of monster would say such things?
[06:07:40] I'll tell you what kind, about 80% of the American population, that's what kind.
[06:07:45] It's very clear to us now, y'all want us to care about people who make y'all
[06:07:48] look back.
[06:07:49] Zora Mamdani, who make it very obvious you guys have been weaponizing incompetence for
[06:07:55] far too long.
[06:07:56] Well, check this out.
[06:07:57] If Hassan's a terrorist, we are terrorists, especially y'all.
[06:08:01] You know, the ones who drop things on schools full of little girls, the ones who make threats
[06:08:05] to wipe out entire civilizations in a day, when I tell you that everything y'all say
[06:08:11] about dudes like Hassan and Zora Mamdani are making them look better, I really mean
[06:08:17] it.
[06:08:18] No dips in.
[06:08:19] By the way, don't believe me. Watch this. You can come back outside now.
[06:08:34] Oh, honey, no, actual real voters aren't fans of communism and terrorism.
[06:08:49] with her father like I did so we had sort of you know some of those kind of things in
[06:09:02] in combat a little a little toughness in us that was built by our brothers and father reluctantly
[06:09:11] agrees that you're a net good definitely a terrible idea for me to speak on this at
[06:09:16] And if I had a publicist, she slash gay guy, he would definitely be on their knees right
[06:09:22] now, begging me not to open my big mouth about this one particular issue for once in my life.
[06:09:28] Just because that's how much of a fucking tinderbox it is, at least based on my assessment.
[06:09:33] But I do feel like I owe somebody, perhaps you, transparency, honesty, and consistency.
[06:09:41] And it would not be transparent, it would not be honest, and it would not be consistent
[06:09:45] with me, not to make this point.
[06:09:47] We do not have the luxury of not platforming Hasan Piker.
[06:09:52] Okay, we don't have the luxury of ignoring Hasan Piker.
[06:09:56] We certainly do not have the luxury of castigating
[06:10:01] or insulting or looking down our noses at Hasan Piker.
[06:10:05] As hilarious and accurate as it is
[06:10:09] to call him IRL Brian Griffin.
[06:10:11] Like I think that shit's hilarious and apt.
[06:10:14] But I have gone on here before and said to all-
[06:10:17] Bro, there's like, I swear to God,
[06:10:19] there's a TikTok style of commentary.
[06:10:23] You know how like there's Reddit speak,
[06:10:26] where people will say Reddit's down the street, buddy.
[06:10:29] This is the TikTok meta.
[06:10:31] And it's like, it's even somehow less educated
[06:10:37] than the fucking, then the Reddit meta.
[06:10:41] Like, at least the Reddit meta is,
[06:10:43] They write all these long effort posts about how I'm a danger to American empire.
[06:10:50] I'm a danger to America.
[06:10:51] I hate America.
[06:10:52] I'm an anti-nato-Atlanticist, and therefore, this is an untenable position or whatever.
[06:10:59] But the TikTok one is even dumber than them.
[06:11:02] They're like, he's a guy who talks condescendingly about politics, so he fucking reminds me
[06:11:08] of Brian Griffin.
[06:11:14] That and also
[06:11:16] He wears expensive clothes. So he's a fake commie
[06:11:21] It's like those are the two prevailing thoughts in in tiktok political discourse, obviously, there's a lot of people on
[06:11:30] Tiktok that are very thoughtful
[06:11:33] Very good at what they do, but I'm saying like all the the prevailing narratives on tiktok politics is
[06:11:41] Literally that those two things
[06:11:43] What's the Twitter meta of the Highling Hitler? What do you mean? The Twitter meta is just
[06:11:50] SIG Highling.
[06:11:51] Do you cannot take a joke even when the video is defending him? No, I'm just like seeing
[06:11:57] ... Oh my God. I just see it so frequently. It's like, all right, yes, I'm fucking
[06:12:03] Brian Griffin.
[06:12:04] You go on Reddit, you know, Osama Bin Laden, Albaik Dadi, combined with Yahis and Warr.
[06:12:14] You go on TikTok and it's always like, he's just bra and griffin'.
[06:12:18] Can I not make analysis about like overall platform, like the differences between like
[06:12:26] political expression and different social media platforms?
[06:12:29] Am I not allowed to do that?
[06:12:31] I do that without some dumb fuck chirping chiming and being like, oh, you can't take a joke. Yes. I'm Brian Griffin, dude
[06:12:39] I'm Brian kill me
[06:12:44] All the crotchety locals who are like all the Democratic Party tick tock pages on serious
[06:12:49] News flash bitch. We live in an unserious country and the Republicans have not too cute to be unserious on social media
[06:12:56] and look where it got them, okay? And the same goes for cringe. And the Kamala here is 6-7 TikTok account. Is it cringe?
[06:13:03] Yeah, is it like co-worker humor? Yeah, but newsflash, again, bitch. There are a lot of co-workers in America. Someone's streaming somber, okay?
[06:13:13] Jesus.
[06:13:15] Where the fuck does the Brian Given thing come from? You have nothing in common. He's a lib.
[06:13:19] Where it's literally just guy who talks about politics and is annoying. That's it.
[06:13:26] That's it. And also hypocritical. This is what it is. It's hypocrisy is the
[06:13:33] the number one marker of a person. Like hypocrisy baiting, hypocrisy fishing is
[06:13:38] the number one marker of a person who doesn't understand ideology, who doesn't
[06:13:41] have any sort of like real political convictions, and simply wants to apply
[06:13:45] some kind of criticism. There are instances where people engage in like
[06:13:50] inherently hypocritical things, incredibly hypocritical actions, right? There are oxymoronic
[06:13:58] positions, you know, the entire groiper movement being comprised of like, you know, brown people,
[06:14:04] even though groipers are white supremacist neo-nazis. But in most circumstances, it's just,
[06:14:11] yeah, criticism without synthesis is precisely what it is.
[06:14:14] And that's what I was trying to get to with like TikTok. It's always like Durer her other people said this guy's a hypocrite
[06:14:26] So I assume he's a hypocrite and that's the worst thing you can be you can be a villain
[06:14:31] But as long as you say you're a villain that's better than someone who I have perceived as a hypocrite
[06:14:38] Unironically that's how we got Trump, right?
[06:14:40] That's literally the whole Trump phenomena. All these other politicians, they come across as weak,
[06:14:48] they come across as hypocritical, some of which are, let's be real. As opposed to Donald Trump,
[06:14:55] who is a horrible monster, but at least he's honest about it. Dude, he just tells it like it is.
[06:15:00] right? Like that's that's a prevailing attitude of dumb people. It's the only
[06:15:08] political expression they have.
[06:15:16] And co-workers are voting block and if your politics is built on an aesthetics
[06:15:21] of niche-ness, you are building a politically toxic brand. Niche is the
[06:15:27] enemy of majoritarianism. So again, we can't be in the business of saying you are allowed
[06:15:33] in our tent and you are not as annoying as his son piker is. I still think his presence
[06:15:39] in the world is like a net good. Maybe that's crazy. What is happening? Like what? I don't
[06:15:49] I don't know who these people are, but like, I just don't understand like what this whole
[06:15:56] like guys we really gotta we really gotta allow us on to be a part of our
[06:16:00] movement is like
[06:16:02] like what is happening who are these people
[06:16:07] why what was what's up with the
[06:16:11] seventeen page dissertation before being like yeah he's a big-ass fucking
[06:16:15] audience and they're all lifelong democrat party voters and activists
[06:16:19] and advocates
[06:16:20] uh... that have been
[06:16:21] actively petitioning and fighting for social justice
[06:16:25] and labor rights for, you know, the last fucking decade.
[06:16:30] Like, you could just say that.
[06:16:31] It's just the truth.
[06:16:32] You could just say that.
[06:16:33] You don't have to be like, he's not good.
[06:16:35] He fucking sucks.
[06:16:36] I hate him.
[06:16:38] You're all very correct.
[06:16:39] He's crazy.
[06:16:41] He's a monster.
[06:16:42] He's murdered children.
[06:16:45] OK?
[06:16:48] But we got to have him on the fucking coalition.
[06:16:55] I just don't get it like why why are people why do people do this stuff? I don't
[06:17:06] She's afraid of your haters, I mean, I don't even think that's the case
[06:17:10] I think that there are a lot of people who have no idea what I'm about
[06:17:15] Like no idea whatsoever
[06:17:18] Although I'm
[06:17:20] unbelievably accessible, you know
[06:17:25] We do the same qualification prelude when you talk about Israel or Hamas too to be fair
[06:17:32] Buddy
[06:17:34] Are you making a comparison to an american political commentator?
[06:17:38] Trying to explain
[06:17:40] why
[06:17:42] militant resistance groups that are state sponsored terrorist organizations
[06:17:49] Uh, uh, that that like why they exist
[06:17:52] Are you making a comparison between that explanation and like just saying hey this guy has been around for a long time
[06:17:58] Who's like you know mysteriously always found himself on the fucking right side of these issues that I'm seemingly aligned on
[06:18:05] You don't need to give them any qualifiers
[06:18:08] Did you just fucking compare me to Hamas dude? What the fuck is wrong with you? I
[06:18:12] I just, I genuinely, I don't know what it is at some point, at some point we've got
[06:18:28] to move past this, right, like, eventually.
[06:18:30] the
[06:18:46] yes we are because you hand wave it every time someone says you know how to do that
[06:18:50] no i i i'm done with the
[06:18:51] fucking hand waving just be be normal about it be like this guy's
[06:18:56] fine
[06:18:59] I I just I don't get it. I don't understand why I love how they
[06:19:03] I don't I don't understand why there's like so much
[06:19:06] Hand wringing through this process
[06:19:09] Like I'd rather have someone should be like I fucking hate this guy. You know what I mean?
[06:19:16] Like I've been I've been doing this I've been doing this for 13 years man
[06:19:21] I someone in the chest of this girl's 19 years old when I started doing this
[06:19:25] She was six years old bro. She was six years old when I was doing political commentary writing articles for the Huffington Post about like
[06:19:35] America's uh, uh, unholy allegiance to Saudi Arabia doing genocide in fucking Yemen. What the fuck are we doing?
[06:19:48] I'm 34 goddamn years old
[06:19:50] starting to get a little old here. It's just like I get I get fucking annoyed. She probably
[06:19:58] thinks you're cringe because you're on. I mean, I hope that's the case. I hope that's
[06:20:01] the only reason
[06:20:02] Anyway, don't obviously don't go to the comments of this person or like fucking go after this person or anything like that. Okay.
[06:20:31] I will ban you. But I do get, I do get fucking annoyed. It's just like, I'm on your side,
[06:20:44] but I don't know how much the age matters. You criticize journals who've been doing this
[06:20:47] longer than you. It doesn't mean her criticism is right. Yeah, the point is, if the criticism
[06:20:55] is at odds with the work, then, yeah, I have to factor that into consideration.
[06:21:12] You know?
[06:21:14] Maybe people think I'm crazy for saying that.
[06:21:20] But think about who else would be in that position of a Twitch streamer.
[06:21:24] who's like radicalizing these men into becoming right-wing monsters because like I'm not to be dramatic but I honestly think that like Hasan Pekar might have saved like an entire generation of white boys from the clutches of white nationalist right-wing extremism.
[06:21:40] Right like he's taken what would otherwise be like a crop of
[06:21:44] Yeah, like extremist black build incels
[06:21:46] Scrawling the school shooter manifestos in their parents basements and
[06:21:50] Salvaged in them like a kernel of humanity that is yes extremely annoying
[06:21:55] But nevertheless, there's like something redeeming and beautiful about it
[06:21:59] You know, I'm saying like it's like the formative male thing, right?
[06:22:02] Like obviously it's super strange and odd, but it's also beautiful that like men are coutowing before women
[06:22:08] You know what I'm saying? I'm like recognizing their power. So I'll take like
[06:22:12] Trust fund baby white boy who thinks he's a morrks is Leninus
[06:22:17] Dude you're sitting in a fucking college. Oh my god. Oh my I'm not gonna do it again 19 years old
[06:22:24] I'm yelling in a 19 year old tiktoker. You're right
[06:22:28] These are not criticisms. Okay?
[06:22:32] These are entirely made up
[06:22:35] up nonsensical lines, often times materialized from reactionary outlets, okay?
[06:22:48] Just simply adding this into the fucking Christ.
[06:22:53] Oh my God.
[06:22:57] I just I can't stand this like like criticism sandwich thing that these people do
[06:23:12] like I I don't know what to do like what am I supposed to do like abide by the hallucinations
[06:23:17] that people have made up that I'm a trust fund baby like the fuck is this
[06:23:21] And that I think I'm a Marxist Leninist, it's just not...
[06:23:31] I...
[06:23:34] Considered changing Ray's mind.
[06:23:41] Yes, she said one objectively true thing in between like 17 fucking different considerations,
[06:23:48] Package with also a bunch of nonsensical bullshit as to why she doesn't like me
[06:23:53] I'm a fake Marxist linen is trust phone babies or some like
[06:23:58] It's in a bunch of annoying white boys or whatever the fuck
[06:24:05] Running around in an ill-fitting beanie and like some second-hand death leopard March
[06:24:09] Trying to lecture his perspective female romantic partners about how their uteruses work
[06:24:15] Oh my god, this is just
[06:24:18] A bad experience you had in college. I didn't do this
[06:24:23] Okay, this is one of the most annoying aspects of having to do
[06:24:28] Political commentary in the United States of America where like every experience is defined by by
[06:24:35] what
[06:24:36] aesthetic value I represent and
[06:24:39] What kind of emotional damage someone that looks or sounds like me has contributed to the lives of
[06:24:45] virtually every single person. It's just like, that's not real. It's not a
[06:24:51] real political commentary. There's not a real commentary on anything. That's just
[06:24:55] not... I hate that. It's just, it's fanfic.
[06:25:15] I don't expect this person to know anything about me. I don't I don't expect it
[06:25:21] It's just like but I but I hate this like hand-wringing shit like we're it's just oh
[06:25:30] And then people in my community are gonna get passionate about it and try to defend me and it's so fucking cringe
[06:25:36] Like don't do that either, please
[06:25:42] Like there's this
[06:25:45] This prevailing attitude of like it is a newer version of the the Bernie bro meta
[06:25:58] Israel gives you more respect no apparently not because I'm not even in the top 10
[06:26:03] Anti-Israel critics or even in the top 20 American anti-Israel critics
[06:26:07] So much commentary on the internet is just like people regurgitating shit that other
[06:26:15] people have said about other people.
[06:26:17] It's just like it sucks.
[06:26:20] It sucks so much.
[06:26:23] Make up your own mind.
[06:26:24] Just watch the stream.
[06:26:26] I promise you, you will develop a very different attitude, okay?
[06:26:33] Then these white nationalist warrants like pushing a gartha edits on 4chan.
[06:26:45] And so I'll say it again, we do not have the luxury of not platforming Hassan Peger.
[06:26:50] Like he has a platform.
[06:26:52] The question is, will it be used to our benefit?
[06:26:55] Right?
[06:26:56] Will it be used as part of our program?
[06:26:58] Will it be a potential addition to our tent?
[06:27:01] Or are we going to turn people away?
[06:27:02] Are we going to turn people away?
[06:27:04] And if you ask Alyssa Slotkin, the answer is turn them away.
[06:27:08] As if she has no Balenciaga, she has no Supreme,
[06:27:12] she has no Twitch followers.
[06:27:13] She's literally a walking Madame Tussauds wax figurine
[06:27:17] who looks like she was designed by a Key Street boutique
[06:27:21] lobbying firm.
[06:27:22] And no matter how many H&M leather jackets you put on,
[06:27:25] girl, like, I'm sorry.
[06:27:27] You still come off like an HR scold.
[06:27:28] So this is not a question of who's annoying
[06:27:30] and who's not annoying.
[06:27:31] I'm sorry, this is like, this is the left side of the political spectrum, bitch.
[06:27:35] We're all annoying on everybody's soul.
[06:27:37] All of us are annoying in this bitch.
[06:27:39] Okay.
[06:27:40] Like if you don't want to be annoying, this is not the movement for you.
[06:27:44] This is team annoying.
[06:27:45] Sorry.
[06:27:45] Sorry to work.
[06:27:46] And obviously, like, I don't think we should, I think we should aspire to be
[06:27:50] not annoying, but like if we're getting in the business of like people who are
[06:27:54] annoying should leave our party, like we don't have a party anymore.
[06:27:57] Most of us are annoying.
[06:27:58] Sorry, I think it's also important to note that Hassan is also not like one of these intransigent
[06:28:04] reactionaries who just like bashes the Democratic Party all the time and is like only wants
[06:28:09] to in contra points where it's always wants to critique power and never wants to build
[06:28:14] power or whatever this thing is, right?
[06:28:16] Like he's not one of those people.
[06:28:17] He had a sitting U.S. Congresswoman on his stream like last week, I think, right?
[06:28:21] Like he has a vision of the future of politics.
[06:28:24] It's a vision that involves electoral politics.
[06:28:26] division that involves changing the Democratic Party and making it better, and he wants to
[06:28:30] be involved in that project. Why are we not allowing him to? I don't understand that. Let
[06:28:36] me put it this way. To all the people who were crowing after the 2024 election about
[06:28:42] go on Joe Rogan, go on Joe Rogan, which I agree with, right?
[06:28:45] I'm dying because like she also is, oh my God, I'm dying because her knowledge of
[06:28:53] of what I do makes her previous criticisms even worse
[06:28:58] because it implies that someone who is at least like aware
[06:29:01] of the shit I've done for the past fucking 13 goddamn years
[06:29:05] still can get duped by the cultural forces.
[06:29:10] Everyone wants to be cool, okay?
[06:29:12] Everyone wants to feel like they belong.
[06:29:15] So enough if enough people are just like consistently
[06:29:18] regurgitating the same bullshit over and over again,
[06:29:22] Right? Even someone who would 100% dial in 100% agree with most of the things that I, I believe most of the things I want to fight for, or even the methods of how I want to fight for it will still turn around and be like, guys, yeah, he's cringe.
[06:29:37] He's fucking wearing nice clothes.
[06:29:40] Like, uh, it's just it's even more frustrating when it's a person who is, uh, like aware.
[06:29:50] Okay.
[06:29:52] the
[06:29:59] the
[06:30:03] the
[06:30:19] Reasons that they reveal for why is just like
[06:30:26] Nonsense it's all it's never it's never like an actual position that they disagree with it's never like
[06:30:33] He's anti Israel. I'm pro Israel right it always has to be couched in bullshit
[06:30:39] It always has to be couched in bullshit
[06:30:42] Which ironically enough my commentary on this will probably be clipped by the very same people that then
[06:30:47] regurgitate the same process of drama and you know pump these sorts of threads
[06:30:53] on Reddit and whichever fucking whichever place where Liberals congregate, I just
[06:31:04] want to know what the disagreements are. Like just I am a political commentator
[06:31:10] just tell me what the disagreements are. If it's aesthetics then why is there a
[06:31:16] a disagreement there. We can have a conversation about that. But if you also recognize that
[06:31:20] I have the capacity to, you know, decouple young men from the throes of reactionary far-right
[06:31:30] white nationalist, white supremacist ideology, then you understand that like the aesthetics
[06:31:35] of this kind of works for a certain group, you know?
[06:31:46] I just wish that's what we focused on I don't know that that's that's my main
[06:31:54] issue with I mean that's the reason why I appreciated Yale as well like there
[06:32:01] were some significant disagreements with some of the people that spoke right a
[06:32:07] lot of retort
[06:32:10] A lot of, a lot of disagreements, but at least there was a disagreement.
[06:32:17] It wasn't, it wasn't purely on aesthetics.
[06:32:23] I want to hear objections.
[06:32:24] If you want to build like a more robust, more resilient coalition, then just say what the
[06:32:31] objections are.
[06:32:33] We can address them.
[06:32:35] No one ever does that.
[06:32:36] I hate it.
[06:32:37] I hate it so much.
[06:32:39] Usually the objections are either purely aesthetic or purely made up.
[06:32:45] I saw a clip that was filtered through a totally negative perspective and I believe you believe
[06:32:52] this.
[06:32:53] And then we can even address that if you ask me a question if you're like, do you actually
[06:32:57] believe this?
[06:32:58] One of the most common ones being the whole, the pro rape college, right?
[06:33:03] the fucking insane university that's like destroyed the insane university that
[06:33:10] was like we're not doing Tidal Line any longer like my commentary my criticism on
[06:33:17] that if someone were to be like hey are you pro-wealthy women being ripped I'd
[06:33:22] be like no that's an insane statement next question and we can fucking move
[06:33:25] on that's how normal conversations are supposed to take place right
[06:33:31] Patrick Henry College, exactly, or whatever the fuck. Or do you like Vladimir Putin? Do
[06:33:37] you agree with the invasion of Ukraine? No. Okay. My mistake. And then we move on. Why
[06:33:44] can't we have a normal conversation about this shit? Why does it have to always be...
[06:33:49] Why does it always have to be like, well, I saw this thing and it's now my position.
[06:33:55] I've internalized it, my beliefs over your world view are unchangeable.
[06:34:03] And now we just have to argue on like, my misunderstandings about your world view,
[06:34:07] like God forbid you have a nuanced perspective on anything, right?
[06:34:11] I just wish we could have a normal and productive conversation like that in on the left, if
[06:34:29] that's the case, you know.
[06:34:34] Yeah, why do people have to condemn him before you agree with them or something exactly?
[06:34:44] I don't agree with everything a Sampakar says, but the gentleman is spot on about this.
[06:34:47] This guy, by the way, Bill Madden, literally fucking posted like a Nick Funtas quote the
[06:34:51] other day.
[06:34:52] Why do you people have to like condemn him before you agree with him on something?
[06:34:56] Hassan is a commie grifter, anyone who thinks he's some sort of political superstar should
[06:34:59] be studied for a new form of autism?
[06:35:00] He was on Pod Save America within the last day or so, Cope.
[06:35:07] It's because I guess it's like there's a there's an army of people who will literally come at you and dox your whole family.
[06:35:15] If you don't do those condemnations ahead of time, or they'll be like, I'll have you know, here's a list of
[06:35:22] 750 different quotes that I've compiled in a Google Doc somewhere that is like
[06:35:29] 99% the exact opposite of the things that he believes and now you need to be inundated with this blast of fake bullshit
[06:35:40] And 95% of the time the dudes that are doing that would be on board with what they are describing my worldview is to be like
[06:35:49] He's a he is a misogynist. It's like motherfucker. You're you're a misogynist if he was a missile if I was a misogynist
[06:35:55] You'd be a fan of mine, right?
[06:35:57] It's always that shit. It's always like he's a misogynist. He's anti-black. He's anti-trans like there's this laundry list of dumb nonsense
[06:36:08] Okay
[06:36:14] They're trying to head off the army of shut-ins that Stalker saw mentioned on Twitter and brigade anyone who speaks neutrally or better about him
[06:36:20] Very they don't have the time or interest to see pretty much every smear against them
[06:36:23] is a liar or an out of context quote, it's a protection against the haters who dive bomb
[06:36:27] on positive ason poses applies to the boomers, young people know what's up? Yeah.
[06:36:38] I'm convinced that at least a good third of ason haters would actually like and agree with them
[06:36:42] if they watch this stuff fully rather than out of context or edited clips that are fed to
[06:36:46] than to create outrage. Yeah. I mean, some people that do this, most people that that
[06:37:07] start the fucking clips out of context, you're like that, they're not on the left, right?
[06:37:13] people that get duped by it sometimes are on the left and it's like fucking annoying.
[06:37:23] The lady saying he hates women in Israel have me laughing three days straight, not gonna lie, yeah.
[06:37:31] I don't know, there are, there are, but it's vibes because most of these people don't
[06:37:36] dig deep or or look further into the politics of people that they're, you know,
[06:37:40] you know, just dropping a note on and I don't even expect them to despising Joe Rogan and
[06:37:50] thinking he's a fucking troglodyte. I agree that his platform is big enough that we can't
[06:37:55] we do not have the luxury of not going on Joe Rogan. The same should be true of his son
[06:38:00] piker and you don't have to agree with him. You don't have to like him. You don't
[06:38:03] even have to not hate him to understand that's true. We have to reach people.
[06:38:09] And by the way, it's a lot of the same people who are saying, well, we can't purity test
[06:38:13] for politicians who are saying we got to shut the door on Hasan, which maybe someone can
[06:38:19] enlighten me, but if two plus two is four, you know what I'm saying, right?
[06:38:24] And in order to retain your credibility about purity testing, you got to not purity test.
[06:38:30] And it feels a little like people are purity testing, not going to lie.
[06:38:33] And again, you don't have to like it.
[06:38:35] In fact, you're not going to like it.
[06:38:37] That's what coalition building is.
[06:38:38] Okay?
[06:38:39] just some like needlepoint sign that we hang over the door and we say oh we love coalition building
[06:38:43] and we all hold hands and like you know love each other and dance in a circle that's not how
[06:38:47] this shit works you have to buckle down and do hard work and cooperate with people you don't
[06:38:52] fuck with a lot of the time and we're gonna get things done in this world okay i just know that uh
[06:39:00] every single time that i do like uh like a media hit or like a longer podcast and i reach
[06:39:07] out to like a broader liberal audience the fucking heats the the hits keep
[06:39:13] coming right it's like Jewish insider I I do the vanity fair Oscars party Jewish
[06:39:18] insider writes like eight articles right after that because they want to pollute
[06:39:21] the SEO so that people aren't like who the fucks this is a song guy and then
[06:39:25] actually accidentally see you know any of my unfiltered commentary and the the
[06:39:33] DGG brigade does the exact same thing or it's like orbiters still does the exact same shit where it's like I do the pod
[06:39:41] Johns and
[06:39:42] Then boom right after there's like seven thousand fucking quotes from every single Twitter
[06:39:48] dip shit
[06:39:50] every every single Twitter centrist who's like whose politics have been
[06:39:56] Ritualistically humiliated over and over again by an incompetent fascist piece of shit like Donald Trump twice now
[06:40:01] like their methods of victory is is clearly a disaster so much so that even
[06:40:14] lifelong blue dog Democrats are like maybe Bernie was right
[06:40:20] What is this, Jasper Nathaniel?
[06:40:33] However one weighs the morality, Hamas versus Israel does an idiotic take. Hamas is one
[06:40:37] Palestinian political party as well as a militant org out of many others. Israel's a nation
[06:40:40] stay with many political parties like Sengad Vote for the Both party over the US. Hamas
[06:40:45] is not one political party over many others, says Jasper Nathaniel. It's the party that
[06:40:49] has ruled the Gaza Strip for 20 years and has become synonymous with the government there,
[06:40:52] just like Nanyahu and Likud in Israel. It's clear what he's saying, you're better off sticking
[06:40:57] to your substantive issue with it. I'm well aware that Hamas has governed Gaza since 2006.
[06:41:02] So I should thank you. If Pygarmine is at Likud, he should say Likud, but Hamas, as
[06:41:04] you know, does not govern half of the occupied Palestinian territories, neither Likud nor
[06:41:08] Hamas being the ruling party, makes it synonymous with Israel or Palestine. Why can't you
[06:41:12] just say, I think Hamas's actions are far more legitimate than just in Israel's,
[06:41:15] and then leave it at that. What's the additive value of the non-sensical argument where he
[06:41:19] can't distinguish between parties and states? Wait, what? What is this anger here? In the
[06:41:24] context he's using, Hamas and Israel refer to the state apparatuses that are at war
[06:41:28] with one another. I think you're squinting very hard to make it appear non-sensical
[06:41:31] when it's perfectly clear what he's saying. Yeah, I get what he's trying to say,
[06:41:37] but I would think if you agree with the Samp-Ager that you want to advocate
[06:41:40] who articulates these positions in a way that makes them look intelligent and well-founded.
[06:41:44] I find it to be rather macabre exercise debate how acceptable it is to massacre 1200 people in one day and take 250 hot up there
[06:41:51] It is
[06:41:54] It's not a semantics argument. No, this is not it's not selfish tree. It's not semantics pervachry
[06:42:00] It's actually the the meat of the argument. There it is. This is what I mean. This is what I mean
[06:42:07] Make the actual fucking critique
[06:42:10] Okay, make the actual critique
[06:42:12] That's it. It shouldn't take eight conversations
[06:42:17] Like eight different back-and-forth talking points before we arrive at the actual issue at play
[06:42:24] Okay
[06:42:26] Personally, I find it to be rather macabre exercise debate how acceptable it is to massacre 1200 people in one day and take 250
[06:42:31] Hossages and what I characterize as a terrorist attack versus to decimate the guys are shipping kill
[06:42:36] 76,000 people in what I'd characterize as a genocide
[06:42:39] Macabre is not the same thing as idiotic, and that's kind of my point. I think you found what he said to be distasteful.
[06:42:46] No, it isn't, which is why I'm drawing a clear distinction between the flaws of his argument from my personal opinions on what he's saying,
[06:42:50] where you seem unable to acknowledge these two things as separate.
[06:42:53] You called it idiotic and nonsensical take on the basis of Hamas and Israel and not parallel entities,
[06:42:58] and my point is that in this context they very clearly are,
[06:43:01] and his argument makes perfect sense to anybody not trying to willfully misunderstand it.
[06:43:04] You're trying to nail him down on a technicality when I think your problem is actually just a substantive one
[06:43:09] In other words seems pretty clear that you're offended by Assange's opinion on this matter
[06:43:12] So you're deflecting by calling him an idiot and acting as if there's no legitimacy to his argument
[06:43:21] That's it it this is this is unironically
[06:43:25] What happens every single time? Okay?
[06:43:29] This is what happens every single time is always like
[06:43:31] Sometimes it's much easier than this. Sometimes it's like far, far easier to figure out exactly what's going on, right?
[06:43:38] Like when someone is like extra chirpy about something I've said, you key search Gaza, this person is not like that.
[06:43:46] I'm not saying that, right? This person obviously like, it clearly acknowledges Israel's genocide.
[06:43:54] They have a different approach, however.
[06:44:00] Bro, Rachel Jamies, fucking insane Israeli liberal, please don't get on a radar.
[06:44:12] It will drive me mad. She spends all of her time trying to tie criticism of Israel to anti-Semitism.
[06:44:16] I just, it's very frustrating. I wish people were more honest. I wish people were more
[06:44:26] honest about their criticisms. Like exactly what you're mad at. Just say it out loud. Say
[06:44:32] what you're mad at. Let's have a real conversation. You know? Signing 76K is killed. No, she
[06:44:44] She said it's a genocide. 76K is the conservative number, but it's the official Palestinian health
[06:44:54] ministry number. It's an undercount. It will take many years for us to figure out the full
[06:44:59] uh... total number
[06:45:03] uh...
[06:45:07] regardless regardless she recognizes a genocide
[06:45:12] but there is a a
[06:45:14] liberal uh... zionist predisposition
[06:45:17] that is ironically also
[06:45:19] uh... being demonstrated in this back-and-forth conversation where i'm
[06:45:22] having with john faber who's like i think more open-minded to my perspective
[06:45:29] which is October 7 was was horrifying right and it was it was horrifying
[06:45:37] especially if you had not previously considered this issue or at least it was in you know it was
[06:45:43] in the rearview mirror for you it was never something that you had like really dialed in on
[06:45:49] as you have now right that's ironically the reason why i'm saying what i'm saying here it
[06:45:56] It comes across very bold, it comes across as very radical, but it is the easiest entry
[06:46:04] point into offering proper analysis on why militant resistant groups form in opposition
[06:46:14] to systemic forms of violence conducted by our allies, conducted by countries that resemble
[06:46:20] us, right? I'm trying to tackle the blind spot that many people have at the heart of this
[06:46:30] issue, which is that Hamas and the Palestinian resistance did not do October 7 because they
[06:46:37] were like psychotic, barbaric, anti-Semites. Like that wasn't the driving force there.
[06:46:44] That there was a logical through line, regardless of the atrocities as I have acknowledged
[06:46:49] over and over again as well, not that it plays any part in this equation, obviously, as Israel
[06:46:57] has done thousands of October 7s and continues to do so.
[06:47:06] But most people don't want to recognize where this emancipatory need comes from.
[06:47:19] Because if you truly saw the citizens on both sides, the civilians on both sides like human
[06:47:33] beings, you would understand exactly the system of violence that Palestinians were subjected
[06:47:43] to for 75 years that led to October 7 and led to the 1st Intifada, the 2nd Intifada
[06:47:50] as well. And you would be horrified about the retaliation from Israel that was a genocide.
[06:48:04] Anyway, this was a larger conversation about like my frustrations with people not revealing
[06:48:26] their true gripe.
[06:48:30] similar as Machini, who is our point on a stream using no instruments, fucking sub stack.
[06:48:35] Yeah, of course he's gonna fucking, he's come on, dude.
[06:48:43] Clue, you ain't, she's a Haritz writer.
[06:48:45] So contending with Hamas being a consequence of Israel's subjugation and
[06:48:47] passing these to brain breaking.
[06:48:49] No, I think there's Haritz writers who recognize that.
[06:48:52] And it's not just Haritz writers who recognize that.
[06:48:54] Like there are former Israeli leaders who recognize that there are current Israeli leaders who recognize that but also are very ruthless, right?
[06:49:06] I mean it was Ehud Barak who literally fucking said, yeah, if I was born on the other side of that border, I would be a terrorist like the fuck it makes total sense.
[06:49:17] So, it's not even necessarily like this notion that like liberals on us are incapable of
[06:49:26] seeing this.
[06:49:27] Some people know that they're the bad guys in the equation.
[06:49:31] They have a rather cold calculation that they're making.
[06:49:37] Former Shimbett heads and things like that, they admit it.
[06:49:41] 20 minutes in but we're criticizing your take on ussr
[06:49:49] Where is it let's see what the fuck Tim said
[06:49:53] Wait is that from today he took my clip from today my lord he's got my he's he's in here
[06:50:03] He's in here watching
[06:50:11] You're weird going on about this girl for a normalized tape people are allowed to not like somebody as long as you lock step fight fascism
[06:50:21] That is fine. I agree for the record. I was just more so frustrated with the with the the hand rain that people do there when they're just like oh
[06:50:29] Well, I just you know he sucks because he's rich. He's rich socialist
[06:50:34] list. Like it's just a frustration that I have because I feel like it's totally unnecessary
[06:50:41] and it ultimately legitimizes, it ultimately legitimizes a lot of the fucking fake gripes
[06:50:50] that people have, right?
[06:50:51] Yeah, anyway, I got to go to dinner folks. I love you guys. I'll be live from Los Angeles
[06:51:14] tomorrow I'll be back at home okay and yeah it did get exhausting hearing so much torque
[06:51:28] clearing when people are making videos defending you because it's like either defense on the
[06:51:31] whole chest or don't make a video at all so let me be clear ason is not great yeah it's
[06:51:34] just because it just ends up legitimizing the the ridiculous fucking frame that people
[06:51:39] operating off of and it unironically is is unnecessary defense that harms your
[06:51:45] perspective anyway love you guys I will see you tomorrow peace
[06:52:09] Just un-look to the topics just begun
[06:52:15] Cause there is again a sun is streaming
[06:52:22] A sun is streaming
[06:52:25] There is again a sun is streaming
[06:52:32] A sun is streaming
[06:52:37] Leave you in a Chinese train, town, and coyote place.
[06:52:45] Sun in as mint chad, her lungs get been green as grace.
[06:52:53] Zoran, winning in one seam, walk two back with the force.
[06:53:01] The roguin of the left to me, a dumb him, both still on course.
[06:53:07] The Charlie Kirk assassination, the fear and online show
[06:53:14] Day full of fucking years of this, planning more to go
[06:53:22] Doing farm stuff tomorrow, throw BBS up on the screen
[06:53:31] A man made horde reaction brought to you by this life's dream
[06:53:40] Cause there he is again, the sun is streaming
[06:53:47] The sun is streaming
[06:53:50] There he is again, the sun is streaming
[06:53:57] Puss on his stream and
[06:54:02] Cat down in the DNC
[06:54:04] Got a rail and marched the good
[06:54:08] Calmed that ain't no propaganda
[06:54:11] Shrugged down people's throats
[06:54:14] CBS Israeli news
[06:54:17] A coup of regime falls
[06:54:22] A full blown fascist takeover
[06:54:25] And still the duty calls
[06:54:30] Total radicalization coming out to sea
[06:54:38] The system will always fail
[06:54:41] It's up to you and me
[06:54:46] All these daily streets
[06:54:49] Whether short or weather long
[06:54:54] I've helped millions of people keep it moving right along
[06:55:02] Cause there he is again, a son is streaming
[06:55:09] A son is streaming
[06:55:12] There he is again, a son is streaming
[06:55:19] A son is streaming
[06:55:22] But hey, what can you say that's BDS for you?
[06:55:28] But he'll play games real soon, just you wait
[06:55:35] Say hey, what can you say that's BDS for you?
[06:55:41] But he'll move on real soon, just you wait
[06:55:46] Ba da da, ba da da, ba da da da da da da
[06:56:19] Brought to my view is like you, you away