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Asan Piker, Socialist, Communist, Radical Left Influencer, Asan Piker, Dirtbag Left,
Hassan Piker, pro-terrorism, pro-homos, Hassan Piker, Hassan Piker, Hassan Hassan, Hassan, Hassan, Hassan, Hassan, Hassan, Hassan, Hassan Piker.
Going on this vulgar rant, mocking wounded war vet for losing his eye fighting for our freedom.
Have you ever heard someone mention the stri-sand effect and wondered what they were talking about?
This phenomena is named after actress Barbara Strysand.
Sometimes when you try to cover something up, you end up bringing more attention to it than if you would just let things be.
They won't do that aside, Michael!
After you call me when they see you!
The Assemblyman will not denounce the son of Piper who said,
America deserved 9-11, dude.
The Assemblyman just said in his response,
The son of Piper says America deserved 9-11.
There you go! There you have it!
My friends, we have toppled a political dynasty!
Now to the Michigan Senate race, where El Sayed is campaigning in Michigan, appearing on stage at two Michigan campaign rallies.
She's coactively campaigning alongside Piker.
The man who said Hezbollah's flag is his favorite, because it's goat.
Why would you align yourself for a raging anti-Semite type?
Who has defended Hamas terrorists.
Calling them the lesser of two this, Israel's compared to the government's evils.
Lesser of two that's what I find a bridge too far.
When I went up to my good friend, Chad, and said,
hey, can you walk me through some more
controversial statements of a Sompiker?
Even Chad T.T.T. went out of its way
to soften the edges of a Somp and give me context.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Chad should be ticked.
The Sompikers' campaign poison, placing yourself
on the wrong side of a 19 issue, is only going to make you
look bad.
It's going to be good for me.
It's going to be good for the candidates that I work with.
Turns out it was true.
Abdul al-sayed and 27%
Oliver Largis
May I cure us, everybody?
You're gonna cure us, huh?
Welcome to the broadcast.
Thank you for having me.
Oh, my God.
What's going on, man?
What's going on, dude?
I'm not me, I'm doing it.
How are you doing?
He's trying to get me out.
Wow!
What's going on, everybody?
I hope everyone's having a fantastic evening, afternoon, greenery, no matter where you are
in the world.
100,000 on broadcast and live from sunny, beautiful New York, New York, ladies and gentlemen,
New York City, New York State, Concrete Jungle where dreams are made of, there's nothing
you can't do.
Now you're in New York, it's a sunny 86 here, 2.16 p.m., it's of course 11, 2.17 p.m., 11.17
am in
My other home
Los Angeles, California. We're live. We're alive and we got a lot of news to cover
But before I get to that, of course, this is the part of the broadcast where I tell you about my personal news
Whoo, ladies and gentlemen boys girls and embies. It's personal news time and you already know I'm a shut-ass loser as always
It's shut ass loser time for all the parasocialists out there coming to you live. I hope all the boys girls and MBs are having a fantastic one though
Regardless
Where was I what was I gonna talk about I don't even know I'm all over the place right now, but
Yes, it is
Saturday June 13th
2026 are you doing early voting in New York City since you live there now yes
I'm illegally voting in New York City as a New Yorker as is expected
Tommy if you're in New York City compilation it for you guys because I
adore the streams okay we'll take a look at in a second anyway but as you guys
know I ended the broadcast last night I ended the broadcast last night and I
I went live on Will's broadcast, as a matter of fact,
and we did a food stream.
We did a decadent food journey.
Shouts out to Alvin, who actually let us into his world
a little bit and took us through
a tremendous dining experience, okay?
My Lord, my Lord, it was incredible.
What is this?
Are you going to DreamCon this July? Potentially? Potentially.
Yes, Alvin Joe Films. I mean, he's a remarkable content creator in general, but he's his, he's a man of taste.
He's a man of good taste and I love good taste. Why the fuck are you still in New York City?
Thank you for the hype train, everybody. Okay.
Um, uh, but, um, I am still in New York city. Great question. Because I love the city, but
also because there is a lot going on in the city. There's a lot happening, uh, in the city for
socialism. This is a city where, uh, the socialist movement has been able to thoroughly, well,
We'll see thoroughly chip away at the Democratic Party machine and is actually presenting an
alternative politics that I obviously identify with, I align with, and I really enjoy and
am fortunate enough to be able to support.
And it's 10 days out of an election, so obviously that probably plays somewhat of a major role
in this, given that it's 10 days out from an election in New York and I have a lot of candidates
that I'm aligned with and you'll be seeing them later on the broadcast. As a matter of fact,
Daria Lisa, Avila, Chevalier and Claire Valdez are going to be on the broadcast later
for an IRL stream, a dual IRL stream. It's not enough that we got one congressional candidate.
We got two congressional candidates on the broadcast
Comey corridor here we come you already know what's up. You already know what's up
New York if you could hear me put your hands in a cash register go to your nearest bodega right now
Their money is your money?
Anyway, that's how I feel. That's how I'd be feeling out here
Um
Uh, hey big dog love the tide can't keep the fits fire. Thank you. Thank you so much for saying that
Um, someone earlier was saying that the tie is actually not uh, good
I don't like this tie, but this is the tie that matches my pants
It's an interesting choice, but I think the combo works together when you see the pants
What crowded room are you doing the interview and no no no, it's not going to be a crowded interview
It's not going to be a crowded room. It's going to be a regular room. Okay?
The most regular of rooms. It'll be quiet. We'll figure it out. We'll do some Zoran style
walking down walking up and down the neighborhood too in any case ladies and gentlemen boys girls and MBs
It's a big day. We got the MOU coming out, but as far as personal news goes
I had a couple friends out here who wanted me to participate in the production a secret production that they're
That they're making for a very cool
very cool mockumentary style thing that they're doing. I did that earlier. I also obviously
was doing some interviews as always, but basically after the food, I got into a food coma so
devastating after having the food. I got into a food coma so devastating, so incredible
that a couple of you Hassanabi heads were waiting outside the restaurant. You were like,
Can I take a photo, you know dabbed it up?
We just you know
We we linked up and we built
Problem is I was so out of it that the dude literally at the end of the photo
Taking endeavor turned around and said
Are you okay?
And I was like my man. I'm just real tired. Okay. I've done like eight interviews
I'm just tired, you know. That's all it is, right? It's just, it is what it is. Anyway,
go to L&S Tailors on E-61st Street and ask for Sam. Yeah, I don't think I'm going to
doing that but hey thank you for the suggestion you already know
but
yeah
yeah
oh yeah tired of capitalism yeah that's what i that's what i should have told my
Man, so I should have been like I'm tired of capitalism bro sick and tired of it. It's sickening
disgusting
Can you talk about the frontier a our model ban by the US no maybe later I
Was one of the chatters after the restaurant and it's all made his rubbish belly, bro. That's a private event
Why are you leaking the details of
Are you comfortable with being seriously labeled autistic? I mean, I don't give a shit. Yeah. Yeah, I got a little bit that tis them, dude. What are you going to do? All right. Anyway.
Oh my God. How about that for one USA win? I don't even want to get into it. I mean, I'm glad that the USA team is doing well.
doing well. Um, I guess I don't really, uh, I don't really care too much about soccer,
but World Cup soccer stuff, but it seems to me like everyone's getting involved in it.
So that's cool.
Vox dropped my episode. We'll obviously be looking at that. Instead interviewed a, uh,
interview third way and then interviewed me as well. Obviously we'll get started on that
two and a lot more. There's so much news and information to cover. There's so much going
on in the world. It's a Saturday. We'll do some fun day activities as well.
You already know what's up, ladies and gentlemen. Let's get into it.
New York City, New York, as you already know.
No, um, you, uh, box interview with third way versus the song is up.
Is it day 106?
Not 105.
Did I get that wrong?
Did I get the number wrong?
It's been so many days, bro.
I keep flipping the number every day.
In any case, yeah, Ethan Klein lawsuits and gain higher from the rest of the internet.
I want to do my IRL crazy style today.
I want to go back to the OG method.
Do we have a blast off mean by the way?
So what I mean by that is I want to freestyle a little bit.
maybe a gay event pride event maybe a watch party I don't know you know I don't know
you should get a tattoo impromptu
You know, I'm a bowling alley, no, today's World Cup game is going to be traffic.
It's all good.
Do we have a blast off me?
Celebrate with the Brazilians?
Yeah, maybe.
I asked, uh, it's funny because I asked fan of
What to do IRL style and he literally was like bro, it's gonna be hectic today
You got the World Cup the Brazilians are gonna be going crazy. You got game five
New York's gonna be out of control, you know
Blast this off
Bro, why did you do this to me by the way Roman Roman Romansky my biggest ops once again
like I loved when Hassan Abbey has will post something so meticulously designed for every fucking idiot on the internet to believe and
then and
Then every internet on the fucking every every idiot on the internet does believe it and they go
Oh, dude, you guys are cattle if you believe this
Stay inside on New York City might be on fire tonight, bro. Who lit the match is the question
that you must be asking yourself later if you see me lighten it lighten things on fire. No, you
did it okay you understand me new york city you understand me box reporter
typing up the story can I come over and see the new place no anti piker slanted
you as well I mean that was funnier I retweeted that one yeah brother stop you
be in bed asleep by 9 p.m. Hell no. Hell no. New York City, the Istanbul of America.
Um, yeah, do we have a blast on me or not chat damn
Damn
Damn, maybe I'll just use this one actually for a blast off me
In any case, folks, let's blast off and let's keep it twisted.
Keep it going.
Let's get it twisted.
You already know what it is.
We are alive.
We're alive.
Let the people know that we're alive and alive by interacting with a tweet, retweeting it,
that type of thing.
You know, New York City, Iran, Manus, Iran, Amer Israel, oil prices down, MOU, Vox, you
with third way. Hasan is up.
Blue suit is fly, but you need an orange tie for the Knicks tonight.
I can put the basketball tie back on.
I bet there's a decent number of people that don't know you quote Eric Adams a
a lot when talking about New York City. Did you do Stavey's world to be twisted? Buddy,
Stavey is not even here right now. He's all over the fucking country, damn it. He's all
over the goddamn country, dude. Yeah, I got your playlist, the Maciest. Thank you. Live
stream of Gamefly Watch Party, maybe. Maybe. I can't believe we're so cooked. We didn't
even get top billing for the stream after getting bombed. You hate
pseudo cast. Don't you? What do you mean?
Someone made a masterpiece on your sub. Steven chunk. I mean,
beautiful. He's so beautiful. I'm glad. I'm glad that there are
people who appreciate what he's done to his body. I'm glad that
I'm not alone. You know, happy prize share a wiener with your
bros. Yeah, I'm glad I'm not alone. Because I listen, listen,
I have a lot of unique opinions. Okay. I have a world view that
Some might consider heterodox. I am after all a
heterodox thinker and
Sometimes my opinions might come across as strange
But I'm endlessly fortunate that I get to share these
strange opinions
Or rather
He's misunderstood opinions with the community of like-minded individuals and this is one of them
Steven Chung
The beautiful the bold the rotund the edged
King
Hinch maxing
Every damn day of every damn week
And I'm glad that I get to share it with people like-minded people also Phineas cooked Ilan must
No one is jealous of the first trillion ever because no one is jealous of anyone who sits on Twitter all day retweeting racist stuff
The brokest dude I've ever met is spending his days the same way
Absolute
destruction
Somehow angular and rotund. Yes, that's why he's beautiful
He gets to be both get you a man who can do both
Get you a man who is both angular and it has all of the angles
But it's also rotund, folks. Many, many men have tried. Many more have failed. Stephen
Chung is not one of them. He has achieved the peak shape. And I mean shape. Like I don't
mean like physical fitness? I mean literally like a shape like a square or a
Pentagon, which he closely resembles. He's so perfect. Anyway, I could talk
about this for hours. You know, this already I have. Here's me celebrating
pride with some jealous hose. Look at that. Look at that reaction from
Christian. You are nearly at 2 million subs you to plug your YouTube more true true true
true I can't believe it. We're a mid-sized content creator. We are a mid-sized content
creator. Bro by the way the the Canada interviews they do so poorly and the other thing look
this or like long interviews they do so poorly on my channel and also rallies holy shit people
don't want to fucking watch me do a rally they're like we've seen it and I and I do a new one every
time too I give you a different speech every goddamn time it's crazy Trillionaire defense
core yeah that's I already yanked that for the blast off meme chatter what do you mean look at that
Where is it? Yeah. I mean, that's also literally just who Ben Shapiro is as well, obviously.
That's who Benny Boy is too.
Anyway, breaking points mentioned the same, Ryan, thanks because it's localized.
What is?
What is this?
Is shit audio, bro?
while March records from the PA system.
You two will tune in for the drama, not the important stuff.
No, I think I've just like, the algorithm absolutely cooks it.
The algorithm favors the exact same kind of content.
I feel like if I were to set up a new channel just for the rallies or the interviews,
and then put those out there, they would probably do a lot better.
They do well on tiktok though, so that's good. Yeah. Thank you for campaigning with
the outside. I voted for him for governor against Whitmer and I'm feeling very vindicated
about that now forward looking forward to him being our next. Oh, 700 K likes on tiktok.
The Ellis and algos in full effect. Yeah, Austin Metcalf's dad literally went from like
before the, before the trial, Austin, Mac has that was like, Oh, I'm woke.
Like let's not start a race riot.
Once the trial ended, he's basically the most racist man alive.
Uh, yeah, what a changeup.
What a switchup.
At first I thought, Oh, that's crazy.
Like this guy's son just got killed and he's being so understanding.
And it turns out I think he was doing that just for more favorable media coverage or something.
Thank you.
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I can't come out here so much that I don't even feel that sense of obligation anymore.
Bro, you did not wear a full suit to Pride in New York City summer, did you?
No, I did not do that.
Um, Fox News wrote about the rally his son, Parker celebrates America being closer to ever
to socialism as he backs in your city, Canada's piker praise, Claiborne doesn't daddy at ease
of elitia of the airs, giants of the socials movement in a Brooklyn rally.
Controversial Twitch rumors on piker through support behind too far left.
Canada's running for Congress in New York City arguing their victories would help push
the country closer to socialism.
It wasn't just them.
I, I, I endorsed a full slate.
Excuse me.
Excuse me.
I endorsed a full slate.
names too. For the longest time I thought we were so far away from socialism and we
might still be far away from socialism, but we do have an opportunity right here right
now more than ever before.
Pike said on Thursday at a Brooklyn rally for candidates endorsed by the New York chapter,
the Democratic Socialist of America, head of the states June 23rd, primary, that's in
10 days, ladies and gentlemen. Early voting has started in New York City, by the way.
the dsa backs later a state assemblywoman claire valdez and activists darry aliza avila chevalier
whom piker praised as giants of the socials movement we must seize that opportunity must
continue to do your own discipline organizing for that to happen piker told the crowd that is the
challenge both candidates are socialists who want to abolish immigration and customs enforcement
raise tax of the wealthy and advance palestinian cause and congress they win their contest primaries
for deep blue dishes they would almost certainly pad the ranks of the democratic caucus as far left
flank. I've rarely seen such tremendous ideological representation at such an important level.
Piker said, referring to Valdez and Avila Chevalier, I mean, a congressional seat is a
tremendous amount of power. What an honor it is to be joined by Dada Lisa on stage. Valdez
jokingly said, referring to a cardboard cutout of Avila Chevalier. It is the honor of my life to
be on a slate with there were so many other socialist comrades. Valdez running for a seat
vacated by retiring representative Nydia Velazquez. And there's a lot of drama there. We're going
going to be getting into that, obviously, uh, that's spanish because of bastions in
queens and brooklyn meanwhile avila chevalier is running as a formidable leftist challenger to
representative adreano espiat also in new york the chairman of the influential congressional
hispanic caucus in a district covering upper manhattan and the west brogds the leftist duo
is backed by new york city mayor zohra mamdani just democrat's progressive group that helped
launch new york representative alexander cosy cortez in surgeon house campaign in 2018
Avila Chevalier has sparked controversy over since the lead of social media posts, in which
she asserted Israel doesn't exist, voicemail, voice, literal support for the open borders
that claim all deportations wrong.
The Mamdani allies also face scrutiny over calling former presidential Biden a rapist
and writing full Kamala Harris in 2021 over the former vice-president of Guatemala Nationals,
not too illegally across the border.
Parker predicted a wave of socialist victories in New York City with soon eclipsed the significance
of Mamdani's mayoral win last year.
By the end of these midterms are almost seem unremarkable because by then we will have
elected so many brilliant fighters in the legislative offices throughout New York City
and the state.
Biker said, refer to the slate of socialist candidates.
These are your comrades.
These are your fighters.
You continued Thursday's rally comes as Piker was spark widespread backlash immediately.
You know, it's funny.
I mean, this is expected of Fox News, but it's also funny that like, you know, uh, like
liberal outlets do this thing too, where they'll just be like, we can't really hit them on
anything.
We should just like manufacture outrage over things that they've said in the past.
In this day and age, I feel like here are the former quotes that you have made that
we are going to either misconstrue or make a big controversy out of.
It just doesn't hit.
It doesn't hit, right?
Like there was an audience for it.
There was an audience for it.
There was a reception for this kind of manufactured outrage that was successful for those who engaged
in it for those who entertain it, it doesn't really work as well anymore, especially when
you're matching that up against people who have either aided in a bed of genocide or
people who are in the Epstein files or people who are defending people who are in the Epstein
files and you're just like, wow, oh, oh, really, we, we tweet bad instead of tweeting good?
Shit.
It's like, damn, I can't believe you caught us tweeting poorly.
What will people do?
And it's like, if you care about that,
if you're liberal in any way, shape, form,
if you're progressive in any way, shape, form,
if you fucking find yourself deluded by this stuff,
if you find yourself, if you find yourself
worried about a particular kid because like, you know,
they've said things, you're a goddamn dullard, okay?
You are the most malleable dupe of all time.
You're a sucker, you're a rube,
and that's pretty much it, right?
That's what this is.
Because like this kind of pearl clutching would have been successful.
It should have never been successful, but it would have been successful and was unfortunately
successful in a different time and a bygone era at a time when there was this notion that
the candidates were supposed to be completely sanitized, right?
It doesn't fucking work.
Several pikers allies have lost their primaries, including former Ocasio-Cortez chief of staff,
Shroycott, trucker Barty. Wait, who else?
What, why'd you say several? Who else?
It's just Shroycott and I guess cat Abu Ghazali, right? And that was a different time too because I
didn't do a rally with cat or anything like that. Just Shroycott.
And you know it's not several because they can't name names.
I
Got far more W's than I got L's you know what I mean
Huh in any case
Yeah, they tried to pin
Nithya
They try to pin the the whole
Ramen fiasco on me and it turns out she won. So what are we doing?
Yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. Janet Mills. Damn
it. Why did you bring up Janet Mills? Pills Mills, dude. Pills mafia. They consider Styra
failure on you too? I mean, that one evens itself out with with
ramen then. Also, here's the thing. I know many of these
candidates are a fucking long shot. I don't give a shit. I'm
not doing this because I want to have numbers on the board. And
I want to advance my own career as like a guy who props up politicians
Right that's not my purpose
My purpose my goal is something different. It's to change American politics
Anyway speaking of which we will obviously talk about the
I will obviously be talking about the Vox debate that dovetails into this exact conversation,
point of contention that we're addressing right now about like what my purpose is, what my goals are.
The third-way guy in the box mentioned Shroycott and Star lost because of you,
but didn't mention anyone campaign with you in one. Yeah, they actually, wait, damn, they gave the,
they gave the third-way guys a favorable edit because the third-way guys also talked about
ramen losing because of me and they had celebrated far too early and I actually dumped on the third
way guys for saying that. I guess they that didn't make it into the fucking final edit then.
Anyway, but we'll get started here.
He is bigoted. He's anti-Semitic and he is deeply misogynistic.
Hasan Piker has blown up in recent years after the 2024 election. The popular leftist
This Twitch streamer became a go-to voice within the Democratic Party, looking to him
for questions on how Dems should embrace the new internet, how to reach young men, or even
the political costs of the Biden White House's policy on Gaza.
But, Pyker's glow-up has angered a section of Democrats who are growing louder in voice.
He is such an extremist that it will only do damage to Democrats and hurt their chances
of beating right-wing populism.
In March, a Democratic group called Third Way.
True. I'm such an extremist
Bitch if you think I'm an extremist you think the average American is a terrorist, okay?
Why am I an extremist because I want fucking Medicare for all?
Why am I an extremist because I want free free college free health care?
I want better infrastructure. I want to stop all these fucking wars that we're waging
That that all of our finances seemingly go to
You know
If I'm an extremist then the average American is an extremist, but you can't fucking say that
So you have to keep trying to do this stupid idiotic disciplining
Thing this disciplining method where you just fucking try to cut the head of the snake
But meanwhile while they're fucking calling me an extremist
We got a hype train going four minutes you already know what the deal is is a hype train support the piker broadcasting service support the
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Then at level 10 hype train you already know what's up
you already know what we'll be doing obviously we'll be carrying the motherfucking flame
After seeing how many motherfucking after seeing will nefs level 21 hype train yesterday or level 23 hype train yesterday
I'm expecting much better performance from you motherfuckers. Okay when will literally said oh, I'm not going to
Don't subscribe to Hassan subscribe to me later. You guys actually listen it turns out
Okay, you guys actually listen that motherfucker went to 23 level 23
How large you are thinking for 25 give this subs home my lord level three. I've trained is already complete
Anyway, let's continue publish an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal's opinion section saying quote Democrats are too cozy with Hassan Piker
Now Piker is controversial no doubt, but is he toxic?
And how much of this blowback is actually about Pike or the person versus the leftist politics he stands for?
I think as a matter of fact, third wave's brand of politics has helped Republicans.
Their attitude since the Clinton era has been to constantly concede on culture war issues with the Republican party
And never focus on economic populism left economic populism. Let's dig in
Why are you organizing? Why not support DSA? Dude, what are you talking about? Why not
support the Democratic Socialists of America? I don't think I can physically support the
the DSA more than I already have.
You know?
You say you're a socialist and you have enough money,
but why are you enticing your viewers to donate money
instead, take a moist critical posture
where he doesn't take money anymore from donations?
I don't know, maybe because when moist critical
makes one YouTube video, he makes $10 million
off of that fucking YouTube video.
Subscriptions are the only long-standing method of gaining revenue for myself and my entire fucking operations
And I can't just like fucking travel all around the country and and you know pay for the hardware pay for everything else
Without any revenue streams whatsoever
Unless I take the pre-existing amount of money that I have and just like dump it into the fucking stock market
Which is something that I'm not doing Moist critical also literally owns
multiple businesses like what are you talking about if only I had a dsa maroon
hat yeah I'd rock it right now but I can't
you know also the fucking federal government is up my ass at this point so
you know I'm gonna have to fucking hire lawyers and whatnot and I don't like
there are a million different revenue streams that I could partake in which I
I choose not to. This is it. The only thing is just a voluntary subscriptions. Okay, voluntary
subscriptions. You don't even need to subscribe. You don't have to subscribe. People choose
to do so to support fucking show. Here's what it is. Okay, I don't run ads. I don't take
sponsorships. I don't even fucking strike down channels that are generating revenue
off of my content. I don't care about any of that shit. I'm like, yo, go ahead, have
fun with it. My merchandise that I sell is just for the fares only. There's not
like a profit margin there that's significant because obviously it's
made in the United States of America and Union made at the same time. So I I
also own and operate a fucking cooperative corporation on top of
everything else where it's equal say and equal pay distribution amongst
everyone that's involved in it. You're gonna have a very hard time finding
someone that is is operating their their business in this this manner. And there's no reason to do
this. It's not even like technically unethical, half of the shit that I just choose not to fucking
partake in. But yeah, I hope that's a
I hope that's explained. I hope that explains the situation.
You know?
Um, yeah.
Yes, you are right Poppy, but I wanted to argument. I'm sorry. Okay, I'm banned you.
Even though you've said some fucking insane things in the past and that's probably the reason why Lake McGroove clapped you here
Look at West European countries destroyer Muslims and Africans
They come from barbaric countries living like animals and when we try to integrate them into our society
They just increase the crime rate and make the cities unsafe. Jesus Christ, dude. Why is it a everyone that comes in here?
And it's just like oh well
I don't understand why are you living an unethical life that I've decided is unethical and then they go
And then you look back you look into like their background and they're like
African migrants are barbarians that ruin the countries that they migrate to that's a fucking insane statement
Chatter, holy shit
Yeah, I might have I might have unbanned a little too quickly there
hopefully we can
You know
Hopefully hopefully this chatter has moved on from this racist worldview and will no longer be racist in the future
All right, let's continue.
Now, Third Way isn't just any group.
It's probably the premier centrist think tank
in Washington DC.
Their whole thing is about pushing the Democratic Party
to embrace more moderate establishment candidates
that more closely align with their views
and in Third Way's opinion, do better on the ballot.
And while I want to know why Third Way thought
it was important to publish this article this year,
I wanted to begin by highlighting
what the op-ed's general argument was.
Here's one paragraph that I think
lays out their argument well.
Mr. Packer is often call-up aggressive,
but that does violence to the term.
A self-identified Marxist,
he has referred to ultra-Orthodox Jews as, quote,
inbred, employed anti-Semitic dog whistles
against an anti-Hamas viewer of his dream,
compared liberal Zionists to, quote,
liberal Nazis, unquote,
and said, quote,
Hamas is a thousand times better, unquote,
than the Israeli state.
Now, I get the importance of what they're saying,
and we know anti-Semitism is an important issue
in this country, but I also have more questions.
So I connect it with John Cohen.
Cohen is the president of Third Way and the co-author of this piece in the journal.
I'm willing to make sure that I had a good handle on their argument and also push the
organization on its motivations and goals.
Thank you so much for joining us.
I appreciate it.
Delighted to be here.
So to begin quickly, let's hear your case.
Third Way has argued that Democrats are too cozy with Hassan Piker.
Why?
The bottom line is it's a free country and I believe in free speech.
Son piker should be happy to have his own show to stream to say and do whatever he wants. That's not the question
The question is should Democrats be supporting him should Democrats campaign with him should Democrats seek his I think there's something really funny
About this guy who has it asked backwards and I kind of like brought that up a little bit in the conversation
But I it bears repeating which is dog
dog
When Democrats when Democratic candidates have me on stage with them
That's not actually beneficial for me like you have it on backwards
They're asking me to go on stage not because they love me and they're like oh my god
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But as I was saying they do that well one because you know, there's a there's an ideological
Alignment there, but they also do that because it gives them credibility on certain issues and
It's beneficial for them
What these guys think?
Unfortunately, because they're they're wrong it's as backwards is like those guys are just out of the kindness of their heart
Offering me a fucking platform. I'm giving them a platform, dude
What do you not understand about this
You got my you mog銽子 Hassan dam and join the new house. Yes, dude, this is the
new house. I'm in the fucking penthouse on billionaire Row.
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endorsement should Democrats cozy up to in the answers definitively no. Not just because
the things he says are profoundly offensive, and I will run through those in a moment,
but because he is such an extremist that it will only do damage to Democrats and the Democratic
brand and hurt their chances of beating right-wing populism and expanding the map across the
country.
Hassan Piker is anti-American.
He is bigoted.
He's anti-Semitic, and he is deeply misogynistic.
I kind of wanted to have two questions just to set the scene before we dig into the claims
of the article.
What was the emphasis to publish this piece in March? You know why this year?
Trump is president. Democrats have very little power in Washington. What made you all publish this now?
Great question, instead. So we published this
for a specific reason and a broad reason. The broad reason is that if Democrats are going to not just be trumping
I hear I'll translate from Corpo speak from consultant speak
week. We can't yell at the growing base of support for the causes that, you know, align
against our corporate investors, like Medicare for All, Free College, you know, the litany
of things that Bernie has endorsed and supported for years, and most importantly, Israel.
And we can't come across constantly fucking yelling about voters not voting right or voters
prioritizing things that we don't want them to prioritize.
So we'll just yell at a guy who seems to be a megaphone for these issues.
We'll yell at a, because it's much easier to yell at an influencer.
You can like, especially an influencer like myself who has spoken on the record for more
than, you know, 10,000 hours, almost 12,000 hours at this point about these issues.
It's much easier to identify key quotes that you can just keep repeatedly slamming me with
over and over again, right?
Hold on
It's just
Sorry
I'm getting some text messages in between. But yeah, it's of course. It's about Israel too
It's about Israel is it is a is a great catch-all, okay?
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Trumpism, but Moga long run. We need to be able to build majorities in lots of red and
purple places. And right now, the Democratic Party is perceived as more extreme than mainstream
in many places. So if the party aligns with folks who are this extreme and cozy is up
to them. It's going to make it much harder, not easier for Democrats to not just slip
the house and get the White House back, but be advanced and MAGA and Rubio and the rest
of them long run. The specific impetus was that the pod save folks, right, very prominent
Democrats, had featured Hassan Piker at a conference where they are officially elevating
him and aligning him with Democrats. That's what triggered this for us, and then a series
of other things beyond that.
Okay, let's jump into the article. The article opens up by likening Hassan to far-right anti-Semites
like Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens. Part of the piece reads, quote, left-wing anti-Semites
are savvier than the Nazi endorsers on the right who marched in Charlottesville, Virginia
and set Virginia with the president. This was the first sentence that kind of jumped
out to me in the piece because it does seem like savviers doing some work here. There
material differences between Piker and Fuentes. At least some, Piker has voted for Democrats.
Harrison 2024, Biden in 2020. He has openly opposed Trump. While Fuentes has openly praised
Hitler, dying with Trump, kind of as the peace reference. Does that make them categorically
different or just packaged differently? How is that not a material difference, just savvy,
as the piece says? Well, let me say a couple of things. First of all, Hasan Piker is dangerously
close to Nick Fuentes in the level of bigotry and racism and misogyny that he espouses.
I mean, it's just staggering. Let me just, let me just free your listeners. They really
need to understand.
His guy is out of his fucking mind. And anyone who is even remotely familiar, as Ted knows
me, obviously, as that has literally invited me to speak at University of Chicago at the
politics institute so it's like I don't think this guy knows that but it doesn't matter and
obviously I don't think he's gonna push back on any of this stuff but it's it's totally ridiculous
preposterous to make this comparison and no one would fucking have a brain cell is going to agree
with this. This guy is this is what Hassan Piker said about Miley Cyrus I want to say thank you
To Miley Cyrus for showing off her camel toe at the VMAs the other night
I always knew ahead of Montana was a little slut. Don't even drop dude. It's like you're you're posting this video
That they someone else unearthed for you from literally fucking 2013
The video was so unbelievably cringe attempted satire and I've addressed it
750
Gorillian times, but it's so crazy because like I don't even look like this person
Not only not only do I obviously?
Not only this is obviously not represent who I am
But I don't even look like this person you're it's a 240p clip that you pulled out of your ass
You just be like oh you're the fucking misogynist
Yeah, it's a fucking sketch.
And it was so lame that I didn't even fucking think it was good enough to keep out there.
It's like a, it was like a released, it was a released failed attempt at satire that we
deleted literally a month after it was out in the universe. But it's, again,
something that I've not only addressed a million times over,
yeah, it had a fucking satire warning as well.
And, but it doesn't even fucking matter, right? It doesn't even matter because
Because it's something that I've already addressed a million times over.
You literally said it was satire disclaimer in the video.
Come on, Astead.
Why are we defending this?
I guess I'm not really defending it.
I'm really just asking about the specific thing that I asked about.
I know, but that's horrific.
Horrific.
Why should this guy be anywhere near the Democratic Party?
I just want to re-level that.
I'm not here for the Hasan Piker as a good person or not question.
I'm here for the claims that the article is making.
And I guess I wanted to just ask my question again.
Like Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens are Trump supporters
who have at times said nice things about Hitler.
Hassan Beiker has not done that,
has voted for Democrats, has advocated against Trump.
And I'm saying, does that make him saddier?
Or does that make him different?
Got it.
So Hassan Beiker said, he says,
if you're someone who says, I want there,
if I'm a liberal Zionist,
it's like saying you're a liberal Nazi, okay?
So that is anti-semitic to its-
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
Here's the reality.
You know it's not.
You can't argue against it,
which is why you have to keep going down to your fucking nose to be like,
well, this is why he needs to be de-platform.
But I'm not saying he needs to be de-platform,
but I'm saying that he's a bad guy.
You should've associated with him.
Argue against the fucking point then.
Like all this old shit that you're fucking pulling out of your ass cuz you know someone sent it to you to be like
This guy's bad. Please don't listen to him. Who gives a fuck, okay?
None of that shit matters the shit that actually matters is what I'm saying right now
And you can't argue against anything that I'm saying right now
So you have to keep going but please just she's just like Nick Fuentes
Why would Nick Fuentes say liberals Zionists are just like liberal
Are you responding to Arun and now we what no why would why would anybody why would Nick whether say liberal Zionism like liberal Nazis?
He's a Nazi so you can't even make that fucking comparison
He literally has a positive opinion of the Nazis
He has openly stated that he is a neo-nazi and he likes the Nazis
He said eight office or his base obviously that comparison doesn't that comparison falls apart
With like literally a little bit of scrutiny
I can't. I can. Nick Fuentes would consider that to be an inappropriate comparison because
Because he's positive about Nazis.
This is what he said about Kamala Harris.
He said Democrats, if they were in charge now, would be doing 100% the exact same thing.
Same thing he means as Trump.
One to one, make no fucking mistake.
Anyone who tries to tell you Kamala Harris would be different.
Yeah, again, on the issue of Israel, it's so unbelievably disingenuous that we have
straight-up fucking adults that are supposed to be goddamn
adults
that are democratic party operatives that have worked within
the democratic party for three decades that are
perhaps most responsible for its fucking failures
still trying to be the banner carrier for this uniparty attitude
when it comes
to israel
also even the fucking clip chimps unironically are probably more
appealing to the average normie
again i can't stress this enough
normies
don't actually look at the democratic party's attitude on israel or anything
else really
and think that there is like major differences anyway
i do
you're yelling at a guy who does recognize that there's differences just
not on foreign policy and especially not on
the issue of israel
with some fairly significant new developments and exceptions with respect
to what donald trump
uh... has uh... has done
the fucking delusional moron
so no he's not for democrats
he's for china and russia
he has said that america deserved nine eleven america's quote truly the fourth
right with newt so
i just i just don't want to do you you're asking me questions
I reject the whole premise this guy is like Nick Fuentes and we shouldn't be close to him.
And the article also says this language can be get violent.
Last year an alleged murder seemingly inspired by left-wing rhetoric killed two people for
the crime of being Jewish at the Capitol Jewish Museum.
Democrats must understand that accepting anti-Semitic figures like Mr. Piker into the mainstream
puts Jewish lives in danger.
Now I think certainly unequivocally anti-Semitism is on the rise that represents a violent threat
to many Americans.
I think we can both acknowledge that,
but the CNNP's link there connecting Piker to the violence
doesn't even mention his name.
So I kind of was wondering where that connection came from,
saying that anti-Semitic figures like Piker
puts Jewish American lives in danger,
seems like a pretty big claim.
Do we have evidence that Piker's rhetoric
has led to violence directly?
There is no question that-
Yeah, no, he doesn't.
He's just fucking, he doesn't.
He does this or he's just gonna be like, well, it makes me feel that
Dreamist rhetoric bigoted extremist rhetoric including anti-Semitic rhetoric on the right and the left
Absolutely encourages violence. There's a ton ton written and thought about this. That's incredibly clear and also
So can you can you explain further? Can you elaborate further on how I've done this though? No, you can't
They don't want you canceled, but they also want to call you a Nazi who shouldn't be associated with yeah, no
It none of it makes sense
Anyway, the red eye like he does a long interview with him, but he does it even longer interview with me
So where I address some of the comments that he pros up
So, you know get ready there's my part it's clear
here. Piker is someone who actively encourages violence. So let me give you a quote from
Hassan Piker. This is about people who own property. Kill them. Kill those motherfuckers
and murder those motherfuckers in the street. Let the streets let the street soak in their
fucking red capitalist blood dude. So yeah, Hassan Piker encourages violence in the United
States. Did he interview him before you? Yeah. So he interviewed this guy. He did the classic
Like all the fucking bits all the greatest hits like oh look at this
I'm so scared of him like he is a scary guy. Why won't you believe me?
Why won't you believe this is here at bitch? I own property the fuck are you talking about?
I literally famously purchased the home. What are you saying?
Great end of story. Okay, we're moving on the article includes by saying we're all for a big 10
But Democrats need to draw a line in the sand. I wanted to know what is that big 10 who's in it's really fun
because another subject of today's commentary, my former podcast co-host
Ethan Klein literally put all of these greatest hits out there in the context
nuke, right? And his purpose of this nuke was, by his own, you know, by his own
statements, he openly admitted to this, was to deny me any sort of mainstream
approval and to quote-unquote end my career. Now of course that context nuke did not end up
doing that at all. As a matter of fact, one could even argue that it's backfired spectacularly.
But one of the wonderful things that has happened is that regardless of the
the hit piece, it's reached a higher level of prominence now, like it's basically all
these other people are taking bits and pieces from that hit piece and like deploying it.
But because the hit piece itself didn't fucking work at all, this is still not working. Like,
they didn't look at that and go, well, obviously, this was a failure. We shouldn't try this.
They just keep trying it over and over again, and it doesn't work at most, at most.
You can maybe get a couple like scared 75-year-olds that watch Fox News to hear this stuff out
and go, yeah, this seems bad.
If that's their first interaction with me, right?
But it's just pearl clutching.
It was just, and it has been, and it will still forever be, pearl clutching at a time
when most people have a negative association with that sort of thing, right?
Most people see this stuff and go, oh, here we go, dude.
I know you, like, they also recognize that cancel culture is so unfavorable and viewed
so unfavorably by the broader subset of american society
that they have to couch this with like i'm not trying to be platform him
but
so if you're saying that first part you already know that this endeavor
this this
malicious outrage manufacturing
uh... is is going to fail on its face it's gonna fall on its face to fail
it's not gonna work because most people just go i don't give a shit man i don't
care what like
who cares okay this guy is bad why why should i give a shit about this
why not keep trying it over and over again that's what centers corporates
have to do with trump every four years
yet but it doesn't even work with trial
uh... let's that's the point right
they tried is what trump it literally didn't work with trump and they're
still trying to do it
and now they're like maybe it didn't work with trump but maybe we can do this
to the socialist left flank. It's not working. It's not working. People are smart enough.
People are smart enough to, one, get annoyed with this shit because it's unbelievably fucking
annoying. And two, they're smart enough to recognize, I care about the policies. I care
about the worldview. I don't care about the optics. I don't care about what someone has
said in the past. I don't care about the quote mining that you engage in. I only care about
who this person is now, you know, just one more article, just one more article, and this will
work, is an idiotic endeavor. It's an idiotic argument. Okay?
The problem for third way is that they structurally can't do that because their worldview is so
odious and
So out of touch with the needs of the masses that he can't just go there and say with his chest
I want every Democrat to care about the things I care about
I want every Democrat to want to I want every Democrat to have a favorable opinion on blue cross blue shield eight now
British petroleum Chevron Exxon and numerous other corporate subsidiaries and corporate donors that I'm tasked with connecting with the fucking
Democratic Party's
political class with this political representation so they don't listen to the fucking needs of the masses or rather I want to change the needs of the masses to
being more favorable to this corporate oligopoly that we have created. He can't say that so he has to go
oh the people railing against the structure are actually bad people I promise
It does work though it worked on Corbin. No, it doesn't it literally doesn't it does not
if it it doesn't anymore, okay? It worked on Corbin because it was in a different timeline
in a different country. It wouldn't even work on Corbin now if they if Corbin
was currently 21k versus 30k is rough I know man I got a lot of fucking adults
in this community that don't actually tune in on the weekends you know talk to
me when your favorite content creator hits the the fucking lowest level of
viewership that I hit okay when your favorite content creator gets 21k you
you'll be in here you know singing his gospel talking about how fucking awesome
is that finally he's getting the recognition. I know. It's the weekend drop off baby. It happens
every weekend and and Dick has like you come in here every fucking weekend he goes, oh dude you
fucking you've died your career is over. But thank you for watching. Anyway,
As I was saying as I was saying
This they can't make an actual argument I can that's the difference I can tell you exactly what I care about
I can tell you exactly what I believe and I can tell you exactly what I'm fighting for they can't
So they have to do this like
We can't tackle the message so we shoot the messenger-ass bullshit all the fucking time and it still doesn't work
Right still doesn't work
Do someone like Joe Rogan should Democrats go on his podcast?
Again great question. Instead
Democrats should go anywhere and everywhere to make their case and to argue against people who are bigoted
So if you go on Joe Rogan and you disagree with this point of view
Argo vociferously abound his point of view call them out if you disagree with Hassan piker fine
Go on his stream and argue against him and denounce him and expose him for the bigoted guy that he is
That's not our beef with piker our beef with piker is this is a great. I should demo. Yeah, some of the most blatantly
Identitarian people left on the slider pro-Israel moderate Democrats people like this
That will cynically say like at some point Dems are gonna have to acknowledge how ridiculous
it is that all of our top countries straight white male trust fund babies you know our coalition
is predominantly working class women by pock yeah famously the predominantly working class women
by pock lgbtq plus coalition which by the way all of our candidates are ironically enough
the centrist democrats are are you know usually old white men or old white women our coalition is
actually queer by pock all this stuff that you're you're presenting as far as our political
Representation goes but not only that but also you have a fucking israeli flag in your bio dumbass
Do you think a predominantly working-class female led by pock lgbtqq plus coalition is pro-israel
Overwhelmingly or anti-israel overwhelmingly
These guys are still holding on to the 2016 era Bernie bros mentality where it's like come on
Please just one more time where we just cynically claim Bernie brosso white Bernie brosso misogynistic Bernie brosso races and this time
It'll fucking work
They're chirping to an increasingly smaller audience. Okay, that's it
Crats cozy up to him why should Democrats platform it places like the pod safe conference?
Why should Democrats campaign with him? Why should Democrats seek his endorsement that puts Democrats?
both on the wrong side of morality given all the things I've just said about him,
the wrong side of being pro-america, and it is very hurtful politically.
The moderate democratic base is heavily working class people of color,
it doesn't really exist without that kind of diverse base. I've wondered about where this
priority comes from. If third way's point is that Democrats are struggling in places to win
over more moderate voters, I guess I was wondering how do you know that though moderates in question,
kind of at the base of the party, share this priority. Do they care about the soundbiker?
They do not. Not even a little bit. Like in a way that is like, in a way that's unforgiving too.
In a way that's very forgiving for me and unforgiving for third-waste priorities.
Because once again, the quote-unquote moderate base of support aligned with me almost entirely.
Okay, maybe not to the degree, uh, it may be not to the choice quotes that they clip out of context or find from like fucking 2013, you know what I mean?
Like from a 13 years ago to be like, this is what he believes right now. Like I'm sure there are plenty of things that you could present that that the average American voter that's like leaning Democrat would look at and go, I don't agree with this.
this is ridiculous, right? But broadly speaking, the issues that I care about, the issues that
I fight for, whether it is to call on the question of America's allegiance to Israel,
whether it's to demand free healthcare and free college education and a better infrastructure
to change our spending priorities, to, you know, improve the material conditions of the
American working class as opposed to what these fucking dickheads advance and advocate
for which is the exact opposite of those things who do you think the average
American like which message is going to resonate with the average American voter
saying fuck Israel we should stop giving them money and spend that money on
health care instead or saying actually Israel is our most reliable ally and we
need to keep giving them money and we should allow them to also merge with our
military as a matter of fact and you're a fucking idiot and simpleton if you
think that you deserve free health care? Who do you think? What do you think the average
Americans going to identify with as a political message? What I'm saying or what they're saying?
This moderate voter mentality is gone. Okay? This moderate voter was never there. There
was never a moment in American politics where there was a guy who was like, you know what?
i want to vote for the democrats over the republicans but i really don't like
free health care
like as a concept
i i really really hate
free health care i don't deserve it
i love being saddled with medical debt
uh... after a life
altering medical incident i'd love that shit
as long as eight nine blue cross blue shield
our turning profits as long as they are
uh... increasing the gdp year over year i'm happy as an american civilian
Americans is an American voter. Fucking idiotic.
What's shocking to me is that they've been able to maintain
this, this nonsensical meta for as long as they were able to
maintain it and they were able to maintain it because the media
was completely captive the same exact corporate interests. So
the media kept giving this these guys the time of day and
reinforcing this message that electability falls on the side
of moderates. Electability falls on the side of incremental gains. Electability falls on
the side of people who say no, private health care is good actually. No, Israel is good
actually. It's not real. And it was such a demonstrable failure that Kamala Harris represented
those values and she failed spectacularly. And she failed in such a spectacular manner
that even the voters were like, oh, dude, you've been lying to us.
State African American voters who want to win.
We just held a major conference in South Carolina.
Those folks want to win.
They don't want a party that is deeply connected to and associated
with hateful, bigotry, extremists like Hassan Piker.
That is their priority is winning, beating back Trumpism and expanding the map.
They know in their bones that to do that, you don't.
Yeah, this argument falls by the wayside if you can't prove it and you can't prove it because it's been disproven.
Kamala Harris's defeat alongside Hillary Clinton's defeat to Trumpism disproved this
for every single Democratic Party voter that wants to fucking win races. Okay? It disproved it.
Come a mirror image of the other party, the right wing that is extremist and bigoted.
We don't need two extremist parties in this country.
If Democrats are going to beat MAGA and expand the House, they have to become MAGA-LITE.
They have to become MAGA-LITE.
Sure, it didn't work the last million times we tried it, but this time it'll be different.
Senate and the White House, the only way to do that is to offer an alternative to the
extremism of Trumpism, not to mirror it.
I guess a third way is memo after the 2024 election about the working class disconnect
in the party, which I think you may be referencing here, concluded that the party leans too hard
into the identity, into identity politics.
The number one takeaway in that memo was that working class voted.
Yeah, cook his ass instead.
Yeah, leaning too hard into the identity politics.
And now, now look where they're at.
hard into the identity politics, the fucking yell about someone who represents the interests
of the masses.
There's feel like Democrats prioritize niche identity based groups. I guess I'm asking,
how do you save that in 2025 and then have a campaign come 2026 that is frankly a priority
about identity politics? It seems to me that just as you all argue that voters care about
more kitchen table tangible concerns. How do you follow up with that with a campaign about
a soundbiker? I'm not positive. I'm following the premise of the question, but let me respond
as best I can. So first of all, we didn't say that voters and working class voters only
care about kitchen table issues. We said they care a lot, but they also care that Democrats
don't take what they perceive to be extremist position. Yeah, no, the reason why you didn't
understand the premise of the question is because it literally undermines the position
that you had
earlier that what you're doing right now this practice of like
uh... we should really dial in on a fucking twitch streamer
as a representative of the growing left flank politics in the
overall overwhelming appetite that the masses have furthest left-wing
politics
uh... we should cast it aside is extremist
and literally hit the same identity politics lines the cynical deployment of
id paul
that we previously said sucked dick.
It's on culture issues.
That's absolutely a thing we've said consistently
across for years and years and years.
So I don't see how this is identity politics.
We are making a simple assertion
that if Democrats cozy up to an extremist like Hassan Piker,
not only is that morally wrong,
but they're going to push away many of the moderate voters
that they need to build electoral majorities.
And by the way,
how do you know that?
Like if I'm saying like, it's happening right now,
the man has a popular twin stream, much more popular
than a lot of other people,
a lot of more moderate folks making the similar message.
He's not getting invited to Kirk and Con
or these other things because there's not an audience.
How are you so confident in your assertion
that Hassan Piker's political views,
which I understand you're making a point
about the clearly offensive things
that he has said throughout his time in public life.
But there is clearly an audience
for Hassan Piker's political message.
So I'm saying, how do you separate those two things?
How do you deal with the reality
that Democrats have changed
on terms of like America's relationship to intro?
That things like Medicare for all are increasingly popular.
Like things like abolishize are growing in popularity.
So I'm saying that is, I think,
a more full representation of the stuff
he talks about politically.
How are you dealing with that shift
among the Democratic base,
even if you're making the argument
that he himself is offensive.
Well, let me just give you an example.
I get your question.
So in 2025, in the off-year elections,
Mondani, a Democratic socialist, won in New York.
And Sheryl and Spanberger won in New Jersey and Virginia.
They were both.
This is why these guys would rather
there be a Republican majority in the Senate
than push for Grand Platinum to win.
Lucky for us, they got no motion amongst the masses.
Do you understand why?
Because guess what?
If Graham Plattner wins,
if Abdul El Sayed wins in Michigan,
if Democrats keep, if Democratic socialists keep winning,
not just their primers, but their general elections, okay?
Then this argument that he is about to present,
which you've heard a million times over,
falls apart in spectacular display.
And the counter to his argument also is that Spanberger is now deeply unpopular.
Due to the same exact moderate policies that she has advanced, as opposed to Zora Mamdani,
who has followed through on his campaign promises, is deeply popular.
That's the issue.
Not only is there argument about moderates winning elections wrong, okay?
Yes, in an anti-Trump wave year, yes, you can put a cookie cutter, neoliberal Democrat
in office and they will probably win.
Okay?
But will they maintain their popularity or will they make way for potentially a worse
This version of MAGA later down the line is the question, and we know that that has happened
already with Joe Biden.
Joe Biden was the moderate.
Joe Biden ran and won and governed like a moderate.
There were a lot of things that he did that was incrementally moving the needle in the
appropriate direction, but no bold radical sweeping agenda changes.
And we got Trump again in the aftermath of that because his popularity fucking fell by
by the wayside
we don't just want
people to win elections
in that ill in that year due to the unpopularity of the republicans
we want a resilient political movement we want real changes
we want real changes to come that will benefit the working class
okay
is that simple man
of moderate
yeah
where was turnout higher
new york virginia or new jersey
that's not fair question from a local to the state
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Come on, we're talking about the mayor's race,
where he's like, Governor's race, like,
that's a trick question.
That's not a trick question.
It was higher in Virginia and New Jersey.
I mean, from Donny's favorability rating
is much higher than Cheryl's or Spanberger's.
It's like, you can pick a number
and make this argument in either way.
I'll give you another example, okay?
So since 2018, right, since 2018,
a central task has been to flip
red congressional seats to blue, right?
That's a central task in the Trump era, crucial, crucial task.
The House new Democrats have backed candidates and invested in candidates who
flip 50 seats.
Our revolution, right?
And justice Democrats, two of the most prominent left wing groups associated
with Piker and Bernie and ASC, et cetera, have flipped literally zero, zero, zero.
Okay.
Well, that tells you where voters are at.
Voters are dog.
You have an unbelievable money cannon that you deploy at these races that you identify with
Whereas groups like our revolution are so much
pickier by design because they have an ideological slant I
Don't know if if what he is saying currently is correct either
But you're literally taking ownership over the entirety of the coffers of the DNC and then pairing that up against a fucking random group
That doesn't even have a fucking fraction of the coffers of the DNC
You're literally talking about cushy seats.
It's ridiculous.
Saying, I want the moderate candidate with the moderate vision.
That's how they flip 50 seats.
Is it true that there are deep left places in the United States
where you can make even more blue?
Of course there are.
I don't even know exactly what the argument is.
more blue? Of course there are. I don't even know exactly what the argument he's like what what the data he's referencing here is for the record. I don't even fucking know. But that's not the central political challenge of our time if you want to beat mog is to make blue places blue or it's to flip
But yeah, he's uh, he's like referencing Zoran's turnout for example. So you know, he's making an indecent argument regardless
Had places to blue and the track record there is unequivocal
These folks have tried over and over and over since 2018. They only make blue places bluer
So I reject the premise of your question
It is true that Mondani can be popular in a deep blue place
And it's also true that lots and lots of moderates can get elected in purple and red places those things are simultaneously true
They don't
Um
So here's the thing
As far as what he's saying
This is the last
Gasp of a dying movement neoliberalism is dying people find this kind of politics to be repugnant
It's elitist is out of touch it puts corporations a corporate in corporate interests first over the interests of the masses, right and
So he's basically presenting the last
Version of this argument which is Zara only works in New York. It doesn't work in purple districts
Okay, Maine and Michigan are very important reasons for that reason
That's why I keep saying it doesn't matter what fucking grand Platinum's background is
Okay, doesn't matter what grand Platinum's background is doesn't matter what the fucking red flags are there as far as like an
argument against
the the way that these guys have represented
the the best possible
Electoralist method
Grand Platinum and and Abdul al-sayad are going to be
the final
the the
final nail in the coffin for this kind of
This kind of neo pro neo liberal pro corporate Democrat message from advancing is
Though it's the last place that they can point to once that goes away
They're gonna say oh why can't socialists win in Alabama and guess what we'll fucking win there too one day. All right
But that's all this is
First, they say socialism doesn't win anywhere.
Then when it starts winning in place like New York, they say, oh, it's just deep blue.
That's why it's winning in New York.
Once it starts winning in purple areas, they're going to say, why doesn't it win in deep red?
Okay.
And one day, we'll win in deep red places too.
Just prove each other.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I mean, I think that particularly to your point about like the left coalitions not necessarily
Succeeding in red to blue places. I think that's unequivocally true. Their goal seems to be a little different
their goal is to somewhat change the Democratic Party and the way that you know
Maga and Trump others had a specific goal of changing the Republican Party through primaries to true pushing candidates that believe a specific vision
It seems like we're talking about kind of two different things, but I mean let's ask a question
If the existential threat politically of our time is Maga and Trump
The job is to beat them to win the White House to flip the Senate to flip the house. That's the job
Why would you then try to make blue places bluer?
That's a serious distraction if you believe that MAGA is an existential threat to our democracy and our way of life.
Donald Trump is why. Why is that a serious distraction? Why?
Why is that a serious distraction?
president right now, not because of progressives really, you know, like the existential threat
of Donald Trump, that goal, Democrats failed it. Like he won again. It is I'm saying like,
it doesn't seem to me that the question is about that.
By the way, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Fuck in a stead, unlike many of his counterparts
in major news major media
uh... because of his job
as a reporter that travels the entire country has talked to these real moderate
voters
so he knows
uh... the third-way argument is a failure he is seen the third-way argument
uh... be be broadly represented to the masses and fail
He has heard from people in red districts and purple districts, you know, moderate voters,
what this guy would perceive as moderate voters, and he's heard from them that the Democratic
Party is, you know, is seen as a, as an absolute fucking failure.
Existential kind of Vaga, it feels to me that really where the left and others are trying
to do is say in the rubble, that is this Donald Trump reality, how is the kind of Democratic
party moving forward. It actually seemed like you were kind of leaning in that question too,
in terms of shaping the Democratic Party's future also. So I feel like this red to blue
point is kind of a diversion from what you all are both doing, which is pushing the Democratic
Party. I agree, but I don't think it's a diversion at all, meaning this, instead, if you're offering
a vision for the future of the Democratic Party, right, that vision cannot just be your dreams
of what you want to have happen. It has to be grounded in political reality, right? Your vision
has to have concrete proof that you can over and over and over again expand this deep blue
formula to places that are red and purple because if you can't do that all you're saying is we can
hold a small slice of the country and make it even bluer but we have no formula to actually flip
the rest of the country that's a non-starter is a political vision that's where it connects which is
Let's
It's just like
We know this is a failure, dude. You own the democratic party and therefore you own its failures
We know it failed in 2016 and also in 2024
You wouldn't be here's the thing
if this vision
the constant pivot to the center
Had a real base of support and was broadly popular you wouldn't have to dignify
instead
With a conversation
About a fucking socialist twitch streamer. It's that simple because guess what?
We'd be living under Kamala Harris's first female presidency
Presidency right now if that vision was a success and it was objectively popular and it could defeat Trump ism
You wouldn't be going on fucking vox.com debates over how wrong someone like myself is you wouldn't even know who the fuck I am
Because your vision would have won
It would have proven
Without any doubt whatsoever to anyone who is knowledgeable on the issue anyone with the with a crumb of interest in winning elections that your
style of politics
Had a real market had a real audience had a real legion of diehard supporters
And you wouldn't be wasting your time doing this shit the reason why you're duking it out
about a fucking Twitch streamer and failing to deliver a convincing message to
instead, is because it's failed. The Democratic Party has failed over and over again.
To have great ideas, I agree with you. Great debate about left-wing ideas, but
half of what you offer is a political movement has to be a formula for flipping
the country your direction and these guys have utterly failed at that. We're
going to talk to Piker as we mentioned about these controversial statements,
It's about the distinction between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, and what he thinks about
his responsibility to the audience.
I think one thing that's important that we haven't really talked about is this is different
than kind of a traditional media person or endorser because, you know, these Twitch streamers
make a lot of money from controversy and there's not really a gut check on accountability.
So all I'm saying is we're going to ask about all that.
Is there anything that you think he hasn't answered or is a question that you want to
put in front of him from third-way?
He has said repeatedly that he doesn't want to apologize for anything he says.
He doesn't take it back.
It's all taken out of context.
We've heard him say that many times.
That's not true.
So again, same thing, listen, man, if you serve a fucking platter that has a diverse
range of issues that you're representing as though it's like it bears significance on
my current attitude or my current advocacy, while simultaneously peppering in actual shit
that I have said recently and do believe and do stand by, yes, some of those things I'm
not going to apologize for because there's nothing to apologize for, like the Israel
Hamas dynamic, right?
But yes, of course, there's plenty of things that you've brought up in here that I have
apologized for in the past.
Can you go through all these quotes all?
Well, I gave you the one on Miley.
Yep.
Well, ask about that one.
about this one. There is nothing more annoying to me than fucking first generation, second
generation, third generation Asian motherfuckers who are dogs to white people. You are literally
barking for white people. My question to us on piker is, yeah, see, that's a great
quote. I'm talking about minority groups that tokenize themselves deliberately to participate
in white supremacist actions
what do you want me to say you want me to fucking apologize
people that literally placed themselves at the forefront of the anti-dei
anti affirmative action initiatives
do you do you not feel even a sense of shame when you're talking to a black
man too about this fucking
uh... i'd like it is out of context i guess in that circumstance out of
context quote
no there is no standpoint epistemology when you come to me with a fucking quote
like that. I'm going to tell you what the quote is about. Now you can tell me if you disagree with it.
Do you think that the anti-DEI initiatives were actually appropriate? Do you stand by that? Do
you agree with the Trumpism and the MAGA movement on that front? Do you think it was good that a
bunch of white supremacist organizations with a white supremacist goal of destroying what remains
of a really like a crumb of hope, a crumb of upwards mobility that we've offered to some
black people if they're fortunate enough to receive it, that getting destroyed was good.
Is that how you feel? You think the anti-DI initiatives are solid?
Yeah, I think it's fucking ridiculous. I don't give a shit if it's a white supremacist organization
that puts at the forefront of their message
uh... a bunch of of uh...
students that have been harmed by uh...
affirmative action in anti-di initiatives that happen to be asian
yes they're using standpoint epistemology to advance a white supremacist agenda
okay
is he ever going to apologize
sincerely and profusely and go on an actual apology tour
For the why the fuck would I do that suck my dick dumb dozens and dozens and dozens of bigoted offensive
Misogynistic things he said or is he just let me fucking let me constantly. Oh my god. I'm so sorry for
Uh a litany of quotes that are mostly out of fucking context over the course of my fucking 13 year political commentary career. Oh my god
You think that's productive
Talk about a fucking distraction
God
This is the mighty falling out of favor. Okay. This guy worked for presidents. Okay. This guy and this institution
Was at the center of power in the democratic party and now he has reduced himself
To debating
Twitch streamers dude
It's over your movement is dead. It's done
We are coming
It's that simple.
You can keep crying and
behaving like a fucking baby over and over again be like oh it hurt my feelings. I heard some of his quotes and it was scary
But the real thing you fear
Is not necessarily the things that you heard about me that really frustrated the real thing you fear is that you're losing
prominence
Okay
You're not even debating to a shimmers it's even worse you're debating about which streamers because you can't fucking talk to me directly either
Because I've already said it like I'll talk to some I'll talk to anybody at fucking third way
Oh anytime any day if they want to come on the broadcast and cry about my choice quotes. Oh my god
Keep standing by all of them. I think it's totally fair to ask about apology about about regret about whether he stands by it
So we'll make sure to include those. I asked y'all, I have another couple I planned on,
asked about Hamas and the Israeli government, we'll put in front of them as well.
Do you have anything else you want to make sure you mentioned? I got through my questions,
we'll take these to them, but want to make sure you feel like you had your, your piece.
No, that was great. Very quick, actually, just because it's relevant to what just happened,
just to note at a practical level, in California, the California races. So,
So, Chakra Badi, who was as his former chief of staff,
campaigned with Piker.
He came in a distant third in that race.
Tom Steyer went on Piker Stream.
So I get it, but it's a very practical-
Yeah, he also brought up Nithy Rahman,
but instead gave him the favorable edit.
Yeah, they took out the Nithy Rahman part.
I know, Nithy Rahman, he brought up Rahman too.
But by the time they had come,
by the time they'd actually interviewed me,
it turns out, Nithy Raman had won over Spencer Pratt.
And I talked about that extensively with this dad.
So I'm a little sad that they edited that in his favor.
Okay?
Cause I know he brought that up
because instead brought it up to me.
And at that point, Nithy Raman had won.
And I even brought up the fact that this guy
was actively celebrating a Republican like Spencer Pratt
winning, or what he thought at the time was victory over Nithya Raman, and it showed his priorities.
It's a good matter if you're a Democrat who wants to win,
much less one who has some kind of high moral standards against bigotry and racism and misogyny.
Very unclear that as a practical matter,
Piker gets you much of anything except driving away people who matter to building a big Democratic
I just again, I want to come back. Here's what we are asking of Democrats. Don't campaign with the guy
Don't platform him. Don't cozy up to him. It's so funny. The issue is not gonna worry either
especially because
like
Think about this man's peak success
Like his goal is to not have me sit on stage with any of these fucking candidates, right?
And what's hilarious about it is that?
Even if every single candidate going forward from this day on was like I hate Hassan
That wouldn't change what I'm doing even a little bit
Okay, I don't like doing candidate interviews. I don't like it. I don't like doing candidate interviews at all
I don't like appearing alongside candidates. I mean I caught the bug on the rally stuff a little bit
I think it's fun, but even then I'm perfectly fine never doing another rally ever again. You want to know why?
It's not great content. Nobody in my audience gives a shit about it. They don't even like it
They don't even watch it on the VODs. They don't like it when I'm doing it live
Okay, they don't I
Don't do it because it's really good for me. I'm spending a shit ton of money out of pocket shouts out to the subscribers
Okay
It's bad content if that was my if that was the reason why I was doing it is bad content doesn't do anything for me
I'm literally fucking burning money anytime. I do this. I'm away from home away from my dog. I'm away from my friends and family
It fucks up my schedule. I don't do it because it helps me
I do it because it helps the candidates you fucking idiot and guess what the candidates know that
Which is precisely the reason why since this goddamn article came out
There's plenty of parts that he won't acknowledge Adam. How may we won obviously he won't ever fucking recognize that
Um, and Abdul-Sahed has surged into first place in the Democratic Party primaries in the Senate race in Michigan
Okay
That's the thing Chris Rab one as well against the Democratic Party machine
That's the beauty of it
He won't talk about the fucking victories because he's trying to actively try to get everyone to stop talking to me. The reality is
Since that article came out not only were there tremendous victories, but beyond that
Every Democrat around the country has literally reached out including centrist Democrats ironically enough
That's right centrist motherfucking Democrats have reached out
out because they were like, oh my God, this guy clearly, this guy clearly has a big audience
and he's speaking for a cause that we need to hear from. He's speaking for causes that
we need to actually gain more legitimacy and more prominence in.
I'll let you get the last word on that. Thank you, John, for coming going.
Thanks for having me.
What's next?
What Hassan Piker has to say in response.
Hassan Piker, thank you for joining America, actually.
Thank you for having me.
I wanted to talk to you because as you know, we talked to the president of Third Way, the
centrist democratic group that has argued that Democrats are too cozy with you, and we dug
into their argument.
And it seemed both substantive and personal.
They say that your brand of politics is bad for the Democratic Party, which we'll dig
into later, but they also argued that just the scope of things that you have said are
too offensive and that you have not apologized for them racist thing, anti-semitic thing,
sexist things. I wanted to start with some of those statements that get quoted a lot.
I know that some of which they quoted were not taken in context, but a couple others
seemed as if there were some merit to them. So I'm going to play the first one.
I want to say thank you to Miley Cyrus. Oh my God.
So at the VMAs the other night, I always knew a hand of Montana was a little
slug. Don't even try to hide it.
Okay, so that was one of them. I want to say, how should we think about these past
statements? Do you stand by them? We'll apologize.
Oh my God. It's so cringe. It's, uh, that is, uh, an unearthed, uh,
attempt at a satirical, like pop culture slash, uh, like dating advice show that
I was trying to do that was like bro focus. And of course I've apologized for it.
I mean, it's, it's nasty. It obviously doesn't reflect my current values and hasn't reflected
my values since like, I would say 2014.
What would you ascribe that to? Like, what was the shift in values? Is that just growing
up or is that like something happened that make you think, well, it made me pivot away
from this kind of.
No, it was, it was a desperate attempt to try to, to be funny. And I, you know, I was,
I was much younger than two and I definitely played it fast and loose with the satirical element of it becoming like
Dude, what the fuck is this?
Caroline Conn announces a son if you're a look at a buy a house in New York City for a few weeks per year that they're there visiting
From L.A. She suggests a son can write out tags of the houses used for con that as you walks back several unhoused individuals
Dog, please don't fucking give any attention to this absolute stalker account. Jesus Christ
Like why why are you guys literally fucking why what's wrong with you that's Dan
Stalkman's personal account that he uses to fucking take anything and everything
anyone in my fucking vicinity has ever said and then negatively frame it we are
not buying a fucking house man half the shit is a joke oh my god yes dude I'm
I'm buying a fucking mega mansion, okay?
And I'm specifically displacing orphanages in New York City, okay?
You caught me, that's literally what we're doing.
And I'm going to rent it out.
And I'm gonna be a bad landlord, okay?
I'm gonna be a landlord and I'm gonna be a bad one specifically.
You got me, this is real, this is a real thing that's happening.
Please, guys, please.
These are dangerously unstable individuals that are actively spending
every fucking waking moment to try to disparage me.
Do you understand?
They will clip you out of context.
I know, I know, I'm gonna fucking do all of that.
I mean, it's so ridiculous, like, who cares, who cares?
It was far too misogynistic,
which is why we deleted it almost on release,
but then nothing gets deleted on the internet, of course.
Yeah, I mean, so, but for your first argument was that
you had not apologized, you sang you have.
Oh, of course.
And not only that, but also a big part of my politics
and a big part of my worldview revolves around rehabilitation,
both in the criminal justice system,
but also the draconian attitude
that I think a lot of Americans have towards rehabilitation
in the social crimes division.
And I use examples such as that one
that you just showed as a way to say, look,
like I had misogynistic opinions in the past,
I've had transphobic opinions in the past,
And I've worked through them understanding that it causes harm to others.
And it also is not reflective of who I am as a person.
I mean, that's one of the statements, but there's a couple others.
And I do want to play another that is more recent.
Now, this comes from the question the third way was raising about anti-Semitism,
which seemed central to the reasons that the UK recently barred you from entry.
You have said that the masses a thousand times better than the Israeli state and
double down on it later saying that you have voted for them over Israel every time.
You once referred to ultra-orthodox Jews as Embred, but the one that they focused on most specifically was a time on stream when you were arguing with the Jewish man and said this statement.
You want every single Palestinian to be executed ruthlessly in the streets so that you can build another theme park in Gaza.
You fucking, paying pig, you fucking bloodthirsty, violent pig dog.
Now, I'm going to.
That's a banger.
Also, that person is not Jewish.
Yeah, that that was just a addition. They just added that on as a fucking anonymous account that person was not Jewish
To ask about that because they brought up that specific slur as something that you also have not apologized for in the aggregate
How was this not add up to someone who has trafficked in anti-semitic tropes? Yeah, um, I
And I didn't even know that this is like in any way share of reform
anti-Semitic, the term, the utilisation of the term pig dog is what is in, in contention, right?
Yeah, I didn't realise that that, I don't even think anyone else realised that this was actually an
anti-Semitic statement. I've only heard about it being referred to as like capitalist big dog and
red alert. It's a common thing that socialists have deployed against capitalist and fascist.
But that common thing could be based in a history that has anti-Semitic ties.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
And so, the same question becomes the same.
They were asking specific...
Did you catch the watermark on the clip?
No, I have not.
What was it?
I didn't even see the watermark.
Where is it?
Where was it?
Oh, these messages from Hamas Piker.
Oh, God damn, yeah.
It's ironic, because I do bring up the Hamas Piker website later.
You heard about it being referred to as like capitalist big dog and rattled against anti-Semitic
ties.
Yeah, I didn't read that.
I didn't know that.
And so, the same question becomes the same.
They were asking specifically about apology.
Is there one for this statement?
Oh, for utilization of the term pig dog?
Yeah.
I mean, of course.
Look, I don't think they're being sincere when they say this stuff, and we can talk further about
that. But yeah, of course, I never want to offend entire swaths of the population unless
they're fascists. The third statement they talked about that we want to ask about, again,
before we get to the kind of broader questions, is that you had advocated for violence. Now,
I pushed back against some of their claims, specific to anti-Semitism, because I don't think
that really added up. But there was a moment in the 2025 live stream when you said, quote,
If you cared about Medicare fraud or Medicaid fraud, you would kill Rick's.
Yeah, I don't know why they're like the the pig dog thing has any salience whatsoever.
Because I don't even think that it is like a like a known, look, I have a PhD in racism.
Okay. As you guys know, I'm Dr. Jihad. I have a doctorate in Jihad and a PhD in racism.
And that's not like an established trope.
That's not a established trope at all. I don't think it's an actual anti-semitic term. I don't know where that came from. I don't know why people say it's an anti-semitic term. I've never heard it.
But, you know, it looks like it was a common insult in Germany, so I'm sure it was used
by Nazi-described Jews, but it's clearly not specific to Jews, yeah.
It's just like, it's a reach, it's a total reach, but again, if it's offensive to people
like, yeah, I'm sorry, I don't want to fucking offend you, you know.
Got that comment got you temporarily pulled from Twitch, but you since said it was a figure of speech.
I still wanted to ask, though, based on their argument in a country with real political violence, is that is that irresponsible?
Yeah, that was that also was directly clipped out of context.
I was actually referencing Mike Johnson talking to Caitlin Collins on CNN.
And he was bringing up the fact that they were not actually taking people off of Medicare
and not trying to erode Medicare expenditure, but instead combating Medicare fraud.
And I said, if you, Mike Johnson, actually cared about Medicare fraud, you would.
And I used hyperbolic language there, and I shouldn't have.
But no, the whole point of that was, and I followed it up in the longer conversation.
conversation, it's pretty obvious. I'm talking about Rick Scott committing, at the time, award-winning
amounts of Medicare frauds. More so about the point that Republicans love to present an argument,
as though they care about Medicare fraud, but in reality, they're actually just trying to
gut Medicare in its entirety. I ask because I think they were trying to make a larger argument
about the responsibility or lack of responsibility to your audience, which is a big one. As that has
grown over the years, how have you thought about the balance between filling the hours
of data streaming requires and not leaning in to the most controversial or most bombastic
version of yourself?
Do you think about that?
I do, absolutely.
I mean, I think the fact that over the course of 10,000 hours, the only choice quotes that
they can find are from like 2013 that are actually embarrassing and not even like remotely
out of context or something that I don't think anybody knew was an anti-Semitic slur
at all.
And I still don't even understand fully where the pig-dog thing comes from.
Rick Scott was 2025.
But Rick Scott is a more recent example and I think that once again, it's pretty obvious
what I'm saying.
I'm not talking about advocating to assassinate an American politician in that situation.
There is always going to be opportunities for groups to create and manufacture outrage,
manufacture controversy around everything that I'm saying.
And the medium that I occupy makes it virtually impossible to be controversy-ridden, right?
I mean, to be...
Controversy free.
Yeah, controversy free, sorry.
Now, I guess, though, if someone was hearing an introduction to you for the first time
through third-way article, or even some of the arguments they made, and to me, if we
were to add up what that defense is? Is it apology? Is it taken out of context? Or is
it something where you're like, this is a while ago and this is, I'm a different person now?
It's all three. And on top of that, there are a lot of people who are just like waiting
around to genuinely clip stuff in the, in the moment to be like, ooh, I can clip this
out of context and I can blast into the orbit. I have a lot of people who despise my worldview.
Have you changed how you go about those eight hours as the focus when you has gotten bigger?
Absolutely, but I think it was post October 7. It wasn't recent. Okay post October 7
I very quickly found out that there were numerous advocacy organizations and numerous groups on the internet that were
Volunteering to do this thing. They set up a website called Hama Sabi. I think on October 14th
2023 it's incredible like October 7 happens is is horrifying
the world is in crisis Israel very quickly goes into Gaza starts murdering Palestinians by the hundreds by the thousands and
There were people on the internet whose first goal in that moment was to set up a website to log
Every single thing that I have said about Israel from October 8th and onward and that's when I realized like I have to be
Unbelievably careful, which is precisely the reason why since October 8th, 2023
I've talked for thousands of hours on this issue and there's like three things that they can point to and one of them is me
referring to you know
ultra far-right
ethno-nationalists and fascists as inbred, which is something that I deploy against all matter of
Racists and white nationalists in general because that revolves around
Purity politics like genetic purity politics at the end of the day, and I think that's a normal
a pejorative to deploy against, you know, neo-Nazis and far-right settlers as well.
I guess I do want to do clarify one big point though. I do think that like the the double
down you made on Ponsay of America, specific to thank you a vote for Hamas over Israel,
is to some people enough of an offense to ignore the rest of I think the context you are trying
to lay out. When you say Hamas a thousand times better, do you actually mean that or is that a
a rhetorical move or like a solidarity signal like what what I mean it's all of the above
I do mean it I think it's a rhetorical move because it frustrates a lot of people I've
also said I'm a harm reduction voter I'm a lesser evil voter and therefore I would vote for Hamas
over Israel every single time I want to give you another opportunity an opportunity I've already
tripled down on yeah yeah I'm like you're about to triple down on imagine quadruple down on it
I tripled down on it on LBC and I think like the the quadrupling and tripling down on it is like
also part of the process. Like I'm aware that this is something that most people have never
encountered. This is not a statement that they would ever hear in polite society,
and that's kind of the purpose of it. It's intentionally provocative. It is intentionally
provocative, but I don't think it's inappropriate. I mean, if the point of the statement is to
underscore the violent atrocities that the Israeli government has committed, particularly over the
last three years, I think that people understand that. But does that flatten? I mean, I think the
argument is that it flattens the atrocities Hamas has committed on some of the same people.
I think that that flattening actually does a disservice to the Palestinian resistance
fronts in its entirety because there is no flattening. When I say Israel's a thousand times worse,
I mean it because the reality of the matter is in the Western world, once any non-state actor is-
Yeah, I'm saying like there's no parity. That actually is a disservice to the Palestinians
if we flatten it. I'm not flattening it. I'm saying one side is worse. Okay? And this is unfortunately,
while true, 100% true, and indisputable, it's never actually mentioned in mainstream outlets.
And as a matter of fact, the conversation revolves around the inappropriate nature of the person
saying it. I think it's ridiculous. I'm not trying to flatten it. I'm saying one side is worse.
Israel is worse.
I'm not saying there's parity between the two parties.
One side is the oppressed.
The other side is the oppressor.
The oppressor is worse than the oppressed.
The excesses of the oppressed
still cannot make up for
the unbelievable superviolence,
the unbelievable ultraviolence
that the oppressor is engaged in.
As a matter of fact, the excesses of the violence that the oppressed and the dispossessed
Engaging comes as a direct consequence of the unbelievable ultraviolence of the oppressor
It is Israel's actions that have led the Palestinians to evolve in their militancy
doesn't mean it is a terrorist organization. There is a good deal of racialized animosity
demonstrated towards these sorts of groups as well. And I think that it's important for
people to understand that these are normal human beings at the end of the day that have
suffered tremendous loss over the course of-
I guess people may not care about the discrimination Hamas faces.
No, no, but, but it's very important to understand that because it's not Hamas. Hamas is not an alien entity. These are Palestinians, right?
And it, of course, it's important to understand how they arrived at militant resistance, why they're doing it, and how their methods have also evolved, and how such heinous acts of violence even take place.
A lot of people want to assume, sorry to cut you off, but a lot of people want to just believe
that Hamas did this because they're violent, barbaric anti-Semites.
I don't think that's the case. Actually, I know that that's not the case.
This is like, are there anti-Semitic people in that?
I'm not supposed to say. Of course, I'm not supposed to say that Hamas is moving with some anti-Semites that they've been into.
Of course. Now, of course, of course, there's anti-Semitic people within the Palestinian resistance.
There's anti-Semitic people in America. There's anti-Semitic people everywhere. But the anger or the goals of Hamas is to make the occupation as costly as possible, while also simultaneously trying to negotiate with Israel at a time when Palestinians have been completely written off from the conversation, and that it was all but over, that ethnic cleansing was an inevitability.
I guess I just want to say like and I do want to move on from this
But I also think it's important to underscore that I don't think people who are maybe more good faith
Upset by this would not be upset by the statement of we need to understand the conditions that have led Hamas to resist it
Mm-hmm
But that seems distinct from saying I would vote for them right life and that also seems like at minimum it
underscores
why there is a website set up, you know, like, or why there is something that tries to link you to a
group that you're linking yourself to in terms of at least trying to understand that perspective.
So I guess I'm saying, like, I don't think the kind of argument you're making here saying
we should learn the structural conditions that have led to this moment.
Here, this is the academic.
It's exactly the same as folks being upset at, I will vote for Hamas over.
Yeah, that's the, that, I am at the end of the day, someone
who is engaging in, and this is a Marxist term that a lot of people get mad at,
because they don't understand that propaganda is supposed to be a neutral term in its inception,
but it's agitative propaganda. The entire point I'm making there is to cause you to second guess,
when we have this back and forth conversation, as I'm sure many people who will be tuning in to
listen to this conversation will maybe think about this perspective differently than they ever have.
I think that well, maybe that's a good place to leave it because I feel like that kind of agitation is clear
And folks can think about that argument
I want to talk about the kind of political theory of change that was also built into what the third way president was saying
I think I think that's a pretty solid look a lot of people say as that was being far too contentious here
But he's not supposed to fucking glaze me. He's trying to
You know offer not his perspective, but he's trying to give enough room for me to
to push back against certain points of view and and say my piece and he's doing the same to
he's doing the same to the third way guys as well okay
if he comes across bad in this interview it's that's him falling on that grenade in an effort to
make sure that he can you know give both sides and their perspective even if it's an issue where he
He has his own personal opinions, right?
In any case, I think I, you know, I said my piece and it was pretty solid.
Like, if it was a more contentious interviewer, I would have definitely brought up the fact
that, you know, the Nat Turner rebellion was probably conducted by some people who had
a very good reason to hate white people.
I would not hold that against them.
I didn't say that in that moment because my, uh, my goal wasn't to, you know,
undermine his position or make it seem like he's like, uh, defending Israel.
Right.
He was saying the hearing stuff even like this from you makes it harder for the
Democratic Party and is a reason why they should kind of keep a distance from
associating. He says, you know, this is a ready-made ad for someone in a
congressional swing district or someone whose electorate might be offended by
some of the stuff that you say. But it's not clear to me that your goal is get
the most Democrats elected. So I wanted to ask, one, is it? And two, if not, what is
the goal? No, I care about political action and I care about policies. I care
about advancing political goals. I don't have any loyalty to any brand or any identity of
any sort.
Are you a Democrat? Do you consider yourself a Democrat?
I vote Democratic usually. So yes, I've never voted for a Republican. I will never vote
for a Republican.
Did you vote for Kamala Harris?
Yes, I did. But I did not endorse Kamala Harris.
Famously. I remember that part.
And the only reason for my refusal to openly endorse was because of the red line that I
I think was a pretty understandable red line, which was a continuation of the genocide in
Gaza. I understand the harm reduction arguments. I've made the harm reduction arguments, but
it's not a practical approach to winning elections. And that's something that I've always referenced
over and over again. And demonstrably it's been a failure with Hillary Clinton and Kamala
Harris. And it's certainly growingly true among the electorate. I know folks I met on
the road, and we talked about this even back in 2024-25, about that sense of emergency
lever being pulled was one that Democrats felt increasingly that they were getting sifted,
kind of getting pushed into a vote blue, no matter who, without those questions of red lines.
But a lot of your energy is spent focused on the Democratic Party from the left,
moderates, donor class, abundance crowd, in a midterm where the house is on the line where
Donald Trump is, I think, even in your own words, making a march towards a more
authoritarian, maybe fascist country. Is there a point where that type of friendly
backfires? I do worry about helping Republicans.
No, I don't think this helps Republicans at all. I think, as a matter of fact,
third-ways brand of politics has helped Republicans. Their attitude since the
Clinton era has been to constantly concede on culture war narratives and
were issues of the Republican Party and never focused on economic populism, left economic populism,
because they have corporate donors, right? And their job is to basically connect those corporate
donors to the Democratic Party as a whole and to maintain a certain posture within the Democratic
Party's center of power that they do abide by the interests of corporations and oftentimes place
them over the interests of the population. When you stream with the politician, are you reaching
out to them? Are they reaching out to you? How do you go through those choices?
Oh, they're reaching out. And especially since the third way stuff. Oh my God.
So is that progressives only? Is that that's across the board?
No, it's actually across the board. It's shocking.
So how much power? How do you make decisions about who comes on the
stream and who doesn't? I don't like doing the the Canada interviews.
I don't like doing the Canada collabs at all. It's not very good content.
People don't want to watch it. It's kind of boring for the last part.
I do it because I if there are candidates worth showing my audience and if I if I want to fundraise for them if I if I believe that they're
Decent if I believe that they're good
Then then I'm willing to lend not just the platform, but but support to them
So there's changed a little bit or at least you're doing more of that like yeah has there was there like a conscious decision of the last year
So to say hey like I'm gonna become a more active force and lifting up these midterms candidates
I'm gonna use this stream as a fundraising tool for some of these people. Yeah, I don't think like that's where you always were
It's not I wasn't there at all as a matter of fact
I mean I've always like collaborated with politicians that I like you know on Omar AOC and you know Bernie Sanders and stuff
But never this hands-on and I think the reason for that is is I didn't change necessarily
But the environment did Americans are farmers you should do one centrist rally if there's no progressive in play
It will help you tremendously. No, it won't
Your argument would be better if you didn't quote Marx there. I'd be good. I'd be good if you became a bit more concise
Buddy I need you to understand something. I'm not trying to win you over. Okay?
Like I'm not trying to win centrist over or rather the centrist consultant class over
Centrist voters on the other hand who don't behave like centrist consultants are fine by me centrist voters
who are not so centrist, they already do get one over. They get one over when we
put numbers on the fucking board. They get one over when they see that the
centrist politicians are not winning fucking races. I'd like you a lot more
if you were a centrist. It's not something that I'm invested in, okay? No, you have
that dog in you. You already won me over not talking about me. No, no, no. You need
to rid yourself of that brain poison, you're doing that thing that I despise amongst the
electorate. There are people that for decades have been conditioned to thinking that they
have to not vote for their favorite candidate, but they have to vote for who the television
man is telling them is electable. Okay? Those who seek out candidates that they think others
Others will enjoy, others will like.
You are doing that very same thing.
Erase that part of your brain, okay?
You have the dirtiest case of pundit brain, consultant mindset.
And I say dirtiest because you're not even a fucking consultant.
You're not even getting paid to advance this agenda.
You've just been duped into believing that centrism is something that actually wins
people over. Okay? I don't want to win over the third way people because the third way
people are irrelevant. Wake up! Wake up! Kill the inner liberal in your mind right now.
Kill it dead. It's over. It's gone. It's done. You're doing it. Stop thinking about what
other people might enjoy what other people are looking for.
Why the fuck would I ever want to win over the third way neoliberal camp?
They do not have a real constituency.
No, their voters, not the fuckers.
There is no real constituency for it.
Hello, wake the fuck up.
Point to one fucking guy that doesn't work in Washington, D.C.
That still sincerely when asked if they would want free healthcare,
or paywalled health care says, oh, I want paywalled health care.
That's not a real person. No one, no one in the United States of America
is going, I really, really want to vote for the continuation of the current paywalled, privatized
health care structure that only seems to exist in the United States of America.
That's not a real voter.
That's not a real voter in the same exact way that there is no real constituency for
people who are former, never Trump Republicans, former Republicans that have spent their whole
lives being Republicans, who now find the Republican Party to be disgusting.
There are, that constituency only exists on TV, okay?
That constituency does not exist in the real world.
I think that was a seismic shift that gave a lot of confidence to the left that as long
as they stood by their positions, and they were steadfast in their advocacy, that people
would actually see the truth. And that's precisely what happened with Israel, and that's why
there was such a seismic shift. And it certainly gave a lot of confidence, I think, to many
left figures to not only run, but also it gave them confidence to be more bold about
American militarism. Because that's not something that you're usually here. And that's always
been my perspective. I'm an anti-imperialist. I believe American imperialism is a force for
not good things around the world. And it's just not good for the average American either.
And they kind of understand that, you know, we're, we're, we're staring at the failures of the
global war on terror, $8 trillion, $12,000, $14,000 American service members killed,
uh, 22 veterans, uh, killing themselves every single day.
We don't really see that kind of anti-war, anti-imperialism worldview among the elected
class more than I do hear it increasingly as a unifier among a base. Yes, absolutely. And I think
do you see part of your project as bridging that? Yes. Okay. Yes, 100%. You know, part of the reason
you blew up particularly post 2024 election, at least in more mainstream democratic world,
is that it was helpful for the party to try to understand a new media ecosystem and kind of how
to reach young men, which became a topic a lot of folks were coming to you for. I wanted to just
summarize like in your opinion what's the chief reason that liberals have failed to really take
off in places like tWitch or in streaming culture more broadly? I think that there is a lot of money
to interest that early on adopted independent media and the same funders that were funding the
Republican Party were also offering millions of dollars to like the Daily Wire for example which
which was initially funded by the Wilkes Brothers, right?
They're oil barons from Texas
that are also major Republican party donors as well.
There's also always been a conservative media ecosystem
that is constantly cross-pollinating
with like professional media outlets,
legacy publishers and the like,
in a way that no such connection exists between
independent left content creators
and liberal media broadly.
But the reality is, Republicans get to portray themselves as authentic.
On the internet, authenticity is everything.
And Republicans present themselves as authentic by being racist.
That's it.
Tell it like it is.
Yeah, they tell it like it is.
Exactly.
And Trump did that too.
Yeah.
To much success.
Like kind of performatively offensive.
Yes.
Being performatively offensive.
Exactly.
You can't really do that on the internet as a liberal.
You're always going to come across as a little inauthentic.
You're going to come across like you're lecturing people.
And that is a tough nut to crack on the independent media side.
And sometimes, when you do a pretty good job at identifying right-wing misinformation and
tackling it and combating it like I do, then third way comes after you and says, oh, well,
you're not sufficiently woke, but you're also too woke at the same time.
Yeah, I mean, they were kind of making the argument that you have succeeded by adopting
some Republican tactics or that, you know.
That was the case when a third way love me. I'm saying there's
I guess I really want to ask to bring it back to the young man point.
Like, is there a way to be appealing to that demographic without the misogyny
lean in, right? Like, can you, can you, is there a way to be authentic to,
yes, to wide swaths of new emerging Americans without offending traditional
black growth structures? You know, like I'm saying, sometimes those two things
do feel a little in conflict about how you live in the culture of those people
without reflecting values that I would like to think left or liberals don't like.
Yeah. No, I'm unapologetically anti-right-wing, anti-reactionary. I will always
argue against white supremacy. And I make that very clear in my commentary.
Yeah, I've heard that.
And now they're saying I'm actually too reactionary, which I find to be very strange,
because these groups are also the same people that are saying we should be a little bit more
right-wing on culture issues. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a fair thing to point out. It doesn't make
any sense. It's just completely inconsistent. It is. It is. The two critiques are kind of in
conflict. I guess I want to end with a couple of more quick ones. What's your message to the
slice of Democrats, third way included, that have sought to marginalize you in the last few months?
Oh, it's awesome. Your booze mean nothing when I've seen what makes you cheer. And guess what?
The people also feel the exact same way. It was awesome. I knew from the start,
people will come up to me and they'll be like, dude, they're on your ass right now. Are you okay?
Like, how are you feeling? I was like, first of all, it was a lot lonelier on October 8th, 2023,
when I was saying the exact same things that I'm saying right now. Okay, it doesn't feel so lonely
anymore. And number two, if they want to position themselves on the 10% side of a 90-10 issue,
that's going to be great for me. That's going to be great for the candidates that I'm actually
promoting. Yeah, it really does keep coming back to me that you're kind of making the
argument that third ways memo seeks to make, which is that like, you know, their focus
on the wrong side, answer the misogyny question here. What do you mean? What's I, what, what's
the misogyny question that I fucking said in such as things in like 2013, a fucking satirical
bit that I've apologized for that we deleted instantly after it was released. But fuck,
want me to do apologize for it every damn day of the week and I already did answer it
yeah I'm sorry I'm so sorry I'm sorry I will forever be sorry I'm so sorry 13
years ago I made a satirical fucking an attempt at satire that fell flat that I
I recognized fell flat in 2013. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I will forever be sorry. I think
some of the some of the people this is a liberal this is a liberal holdover right it's like
it doesn't reflect who I am as a person now it doesn't it's not my current values. Okay.
But the reality of the matter is that the demands of self-flagellation are so reminiscent
of Woke 1.0.
You want performative self-flagellation, okay?
Well, not you in particular, but these guys do, but they don't even want performative
self-flagellation.
They actually just want me to go away.
Better yet better yet. They want me to just adopt their framing because if you think these guys would fucking bring up
If they if you think these guys would be like I'm so offended by what you was out in 20 thardeen like if I was a fucking pro
Israel pro 8 now pro blue cross blue shield pro Chevron content creator. You're out of your fucking mind
Okay
You're out of your dang mind. They'd be loving my ass. They'd be like, oh my god
You're the best guy. You're the best there is. You're the best around.
I'd have a cultural uniting issue, which is, you know, most people do think that Israel's committed
a genocide. Most people do think because of these. Yeah. And so I'm saying like, you're saying like,
so they're positioning themselves on the wrong side of that thing is worse impact for Democrats
than what honestly never been up uh never you'll never be sorry enough for that cringe clip at least
i know you have to live with it existing i mean yeah it's just it is what it is you know um it
sucks but who gives a shit no like i i apologize for it back then but i'm not gonna fucking apologize
for it every day you know what i mean i'm sorry that you saw for the first time ever if you think
it's like reflective of my current fucking values then you're an idiot you know
That wasn't even the question. The question was, can the left capture these racist, misogynistic
people without being misogynistic? And you said, yes, yes, and I do. I do every day.
Is that simple? But you're saying, yes, there is no constituency in this country for someone who says,
I want more moderate solutions to the health care problem that me and my family is currently
experiencing. And I also simultaneously want a Democrat that's going to be like kind of racist,
but not so racist that I feel racist voting for them. That's not a real person. The real person
in the real world is probably like, yeah, trans people are kind of weird, but I don't really
understand why we're talking about them so much. I've never met one who cares, but also I want
free healthcare. Also, I really don't like Israel. Why are we giving them so much money?
Why are they killing so many people? That's the average person. The average person is far closer
to my worldview, as demonstrated by this whole third-wave fiasco, than their worldview. They
have no real representation, and their only job is to connect moneyed interests with politicians.
And because politicians have, for the longest time, been more predisposed with winning their
seats again and winning re-elections again, and that requires a tremendous amount of fundraising,
They listen to guys like Third Way, but that's also the reason why they don't do what must be done
when it comes to these, you know, key issues that where Americans are suffering, which is precisely
why I always say changing the Democratic Party isn't a silly vanity project. Changing the Democratic
Party to make sure that we have some real fighters, to make sure that they're going to fight for
the American people rather than constantly tell them that better things are not possible,
will actually create long-standing change in this country that will be good
for the American working class, and it will certainly be the most effective way
to combat fascism. I appreciate your time. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for
having me. Okay, so some quick takeaways. One, I don't think Third Way is
accurately representing Kazan's position. He's not trying to get the most
Democrats elected. He's trying to get specific Democrats elected, ones who
share his economic populism and his anti-war sentiment.
At the same time, I can totally understand why Third Way is upset, and I think he does
too.
He apologized for past sexist comments but made no such apology for calling people in
brand, claims ignorance about the term pig dog, and quadrupled down on his argument that
Hamas deserves our understanding.
But Hasan is trying to provoke, even in his own words, which leads me to my third point.
in old times, establishment Democrats like Third Way would get to choose what was acceptable
in political discourse and what wasn't. But it's not that time anymore. And the fact that Third Way
finds Piker's views to be objectionable hasn't canceled him. In fact, it's the reason he's blown up.
I mean, yeah
Claminator is kind of bullshit. Yeah, I don't I don't agree with that framing
I don't I'm not like I'm not like being invasive about the pig dog thing. I'm always here's the thing. Okay
What is this personally not a fan of those ties either what are the ties these are horrible ties
It's defined by
It's defined by a few key things that make the difference between something average something you wear for years
For those who have not yet developed the taste and ties here are some failsafe options red stripes
These ties sorely used in Britain to note belonging to an organization school or clubs
So if your school colors were black brown and navy you would have a mat still tie with diagonal brown and navy stripes
Over time these just became general designs, which means unless they are designed in a club ties
You're probably safe to wear them regardless of membership
I mean, I fuck with these ties heavy. These are all sick. And then knit knitted ties to those are great too. Yeah, I love those ties. I love all these ties. Okay.
ties. Okay, um, McEleaf, the lards, uh, much 20th century best so
footprinted in McEleaf England where the surfaces are sometimes
decorative with small repeating geometrics. Wait, what are we
talking about? These are, this is in line with the ties I wear.
I rarely ever wear shit like that. I never wear shit like
this.
I guess the only one you can point to is like maybe something
like this.
Yeah, these are the types of ties I wear all the time.
This is literally the most common type of tie that I wear, the common type of tie that
I like.
Could you please address this comment?
So I want to talk briefly about this article that came out in the New York Post about Hasan
Piker and...
What is this?
Him like soliciting nudes from various women and things like that
I've been following his on pickers and see young turkeys and that is a very long time
And I got to say as a socialist content creator
I'm also just disappointed because that man has never been in my DMs asking for photos of my titties
What is going on? Am I losing my touch? Like what is happening? I don't go. Why I don't go around asking for titties
Please, please.
Am I jitters on good enough?
What's going on?
So, I wanna talk briefly.
She's joking.
I know she's joking.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I guess you should be happy that this other line
of attack is also backfired.
It's good bait.
It's bait, it's bait.
All right, let's get to something real
not bait. Why don't you ask for titties? I don't. I don't. I don't need to see titties.
I'm good.
We have some breaking news now on the Iran deal. US President Donald Trump has posted on social media
confirming that the deal with Iran is scheduled to be signed tomorrow. And immediately after that, the
Strait of Hormuz will be open for all. This is some of what he has just posted on Truth Social. He
He said Sir Barack Hussein Obama's deal with Iran, the JCPOA, was an easy, beautiful, smooth
road to a nuclear weapon which Iran would have had six years ago and would have used
long before now.
My agreement with Iran is the exact opposite, a walled to no nuclear weapon.
In fact, they no longer want a nuclear weapon, nor will they have one, either through purchase
development or any other form of procurement.
the deal is sketch
iran director of the show's new claim of a deal being signed tomorrow saying the
insistence on signing a deal on specifically sunday's engineer on his
own birthday calling it a propaganda event all my god
all my god all my fucking lord dude why it's just like i'm sorry but win stupid
games
i play stupid games win stupid prizes
But it's just so fucking stupid that they're doing this thing.
They're doing this fucking thing over and over again
to transparently pander to the American population.
And Iran is aware of it, so they just keep saying no.
Dude, at this point, like please, Trump
is not gonna fucking happen if you're doing something so silly
and so nakedly ambitious for the way that you look to the American masses.
If you keep trying to fucking do stock manipulation, if you keep trying to make yourself look good like this,
they're just not gonna do it!
They have access to the internet, man. They know your fucking ways.
They have access to the internet. They know how you operate. They're not gonna try to give you like a silly fucking W
Please be serious, please the situation the crisis
Requires you to just suck it up for once in your stupid fucking life and just be serious. You're the goddamn president, dude
Holy shit. This is embarrassing. Oh
Oh, a propaganda event that Trump is trying to turn into a unilateral symbolic occasion for himself along with his UFC White House event per Fars.
The Iranian negotiating team says it will not permit such a media and ceremonial maneuver explicitly stating that the memorandum of understanding has not been finalized and no signing will happen.
Oh
Please
Please be normal dude, you're you're the president you're the president god damn it god damn it
You're the president just be fucking. I can't believe I'm died. This is not liberal
Civility politics, but please just be president for once. Please just be the president for once
I know you don't want to be president you want to be television president
but just be normal American president for once in your fucking life, dude.
Oh my God.
God forbid a guy wants a birthday gift.
Oh, this kind of narcissism is, is to a certain degree permissible.
If the person we're talking about is your brother or your sister or your
friendly friend, okay? Even then it's just annoying. But it's certainly
unacceptable if you're the president.
Don't forget signed tomorrow and immediately after it is signed, the
almost straight is open to all that is President Donald Trump. They're
posting on Truth Social in the last few minutes. We're going to go to
Heidi Jocastro, who is in Washington, D.C. for us and Heidi, that's about a
third of what he posted. What else did he have to say on Truth Social?
Right. Well, he went on to criticize more of the Obama administration's deal with Iran,
but the real grains of news, as you just highlighted, is the U.S. president says that a deal with
Iran will be signed, he says, tomorrow. And then he said immediately afterwards the
Strait of Formos would be opened. And then he went on to say in the future the U.S. would
go into Iran and get what he calls nuclear dust. That's the enriched uranium that was
buried underneath the U.S. missile attacks more than a year ago. So all of this first
time confirmation from the U.S. President that a deal, he says, will be signed first
time that we have a timing for this from the U.S. President saying that it is tomorrow.
Again, this is built on a long history, though, of times when Trump has said that a deal would
be finalized just around the corner only for those expectations not to be met.
This time perhaps is different given that we also have the same sort of optimistic language
coming from Iran and from Pakistanis, the mediators.
So of course all eyes are on when and if this deal is truly signed.
We know we've heard from our correspondents that this will be a digitally signed deal.
And as far as the contents of it, those are still murky, still no less clear than they
were an hour ago. What we do know is that this would be a deal to reopen the
Strait of Hormuz, as Donald Trump has just said, and to extend the ceasefire.
We've heard 60 days is the timeframe that both sides are looking at with
again those bigger questions about how to handle Iran's nuclear program, US
sanctions, frozen assets, all of those things to be further negotiated down the
road. Indeed. Just to remind people of what we believe is included in this
first phase. Iran has said it is likely to include a 60-day ceasefire on all fronts,
including Lebanon, a mechanism to unfreeze Iranian assets, the end of a U.S. naval blockade,
and new terms for resolving the Strait of Hormuz. And it also includes a plan for negotiations
towards a broader, longer-term deal and agreement.
Donald Trump also said in this Truth Social post, we look forward to working with Iran in the entire
Middle East, long into the future, but he then went on to issue a veiled threat
saying, we hope this process will all work out quickly, easily, and smoothly.
If it doesn't, we have the ultimate alternative. What would he have meant by
that, do you think? Well, he has had this long back and forth, as you know, of
threatening military action. He's talked about annihilating a civilization in
in his words, swinging back from those sort of bombastic threats to this optimism for
a negotiated diplomatic solution.
So always keeping that option in his back pocket, and we hear those words echoed by
his Secretary of Defense in this very aggressively public-facing message from the U.S. Defense
Department now, renamed the U.S. Department of War.
much is actually put into practice we never know with this US president again
he uses all of these tools as part of his negotiating arsenal but the big
headline here again President Trump saying that within the next day he says
that this deal with Iran would be signed and again the reason we can believe
this or that it appears to be credible is again because other sides are also
saying the same we heard from the same from there openly acknowledging this is
is the nature of the current president, the baby, president baby, okay? That oh, we think
there is credibility to the statements because at least the other parties involved have actually
said that this might be happening. Because that means that they can't trust the president
saying it. Obviously, everybody understands that the president is the least credible actor
in this process. So the more credible parties such as the Iranian side have actually leaned
into a memorandum of understanding being signed potentially.
Great.
As well as from the Pakistani mediators.
So all eyes are whether or not this deal is truly signed digitally in the next 24 hours
as these sides seem to be confirming it will be.
Springing more on that breaking news now, U.S. President Donald Trump says a deal with
Iran is scheduled to be signed tomorrow and the Strait of Hormuz will be opened immediately
afterwards.
Let's bring in our security and defence analyst, Professor Michael Clark.
Michael, that is the exact phrasing that the President's used.
The deal is scheduled to get signed tomorrow. He certainly seems very confident.
Are you as confident that this will all go as smoothly as the President seems to imply it will?
No. First, this is not a deal.
It's an exchange of memoranda to MOU through an exchange which is a way of saying,
well, carry on talking for 60 days in a ceasefire.
So it's better than nothing, but it's not a peace deal.
It's a series of modalities to arrive at a peace deal.
And secondly, it would be unusual to me
if the Iranians signed it tomorrow
because why would they play to President Trump's agenda?
They want to humiliate him.
And it would suit them to embarrass him
and say, well, maybe we'll sign it next week
when we're really happy with it.
Remember that when the hostage crisis was on
under Jimmy Carter's presidency in 1979,
Eventually, they negotiated the release of the hostages,
but they were not released until the hour
after Jimmy Carter had handed over power to Ronald Reagan.
They humiliated him by hanging on and hanging on
until the inauguration ceremony was an hour in,
and Ronald Reagan was then the president,
and then the hostages were released.
They've got a very acute sense of how
to humiliate the United States,
and they believe that humiliation is appropriate
because they think that they are in the driving seat
as far as these negotiations go.
So we don't know everything's unpredictable
with Donald Trump and with this war,
but personally, I'd be a bit surprised
if they sign tomorrow.
I think they'll hang on in order to humiliate him.
Okay, so I get the point about them possibly
not signing tomorrow, which is the time frame
that Donald Trump has outlined.
But what about the memorandum of understanding in general?
Do you think that some kind of breakthrough
will happen if not tomorrow in the coming days?
I mean, that's what the Pakistani Prime Minister seems to think.
Yes.
I mean, they seem to have arrived at the point where they say,
we will discuss the things we need to discuss,
which is the Strait of Hormuz, what
happens to the enriched uranium, the whole process of nuclear issues,
and then freezing, unfreezing assets, the Iranian assets
that have been frozen, releasing some sanctions.
And they're most important, while the seas fire in Lebanon.
So there's at least six things which they have to discuss.
And the key issue will be the sequencing.
me what do the iranians have to do to get sanctions relief what they have to do
to get the assets on frozen
and what's the sequencing for opening the straight of almost given that if
there's any delay in these processes they could close the straight of almost
again so i suspect it will be a very odd sixty days it won't go smoothly these
things never do
and that says nothing about
ballistic missiles which is what this is all always supposed to be about nothing
about
the proxies
oh man you're a fucking analyst you're like their top you're the top dog
Analyst you know that the ballistic missiles were an understandable red line that Iran would never abide by
What country what country would neuter their own defenses against a hostile foreign adversary?
And I don't even mean the United States of America. This is I mean Israel
That's it. That was already that was always a non starter
Why are we why are we acting as though there was any credibility to that to that demand at all?
There was never any credibility that demand that was never going to happen.
It literally is Ukraine, yeah exactly, because Ukraine is not a sovereign country.
Ukraine has to rely on Western, Ukraine has to rely on whatever the West is conceding to Russia on.
Iran is a sovereign country. Iran has sovereignty over its own airspace. Iran has sovereignty
over whatever its regional interests are. Yeah, Lebanon, another great example, not
sovereign. Do you understand? They're proxies and then they're sovereign countries. Okay?
It also makes zero sense, it makes zero sense when you factor in the reality that the ballistic
missiles have allowed Iran to maintain tremendous leverage over the most powerful country on
the planet.
Who the fuck is going to handicap their own defenses when their defenses are working?
When their defenses have actually allowed them to gain leverage over the most powerful
country on the planet.
No one.
This is no different than the Democrats, the centrists, who obviously failed in the primaries in Maine against Graham Platner and the left-flank populism, who then, at the final stage, were just simply demanding he drop out.
Come on, you're winning, but you should drop out. Who the fuck would do that?
Who would be like, oh yeah, I know we're winning with our ballistic missiles program, but you
know what, you ask nicely, so we'll just cast them aside.
At least that the Iranians fund and direct or inspire.
Nothing about regime change, of course, which is not going to happen.
So of the six issues that it will deal with, there's an awful long way to go.
And ultimately, I mean, the United States is trying to salvage something here out of
a losing position.
I mean if I'll stick my neck out now and I say I think militarily the United States lost this war on the 8th of April
when they
They had the ceasefire because Donald Trump that was the night if you remember when he said tonight a civilization will come to an end
And I think both the White House and Tehran were kind of frightened by the position that they got themselves into they've frightened
Themselves by where they were that night and in a way that marked the moment when the Americans decided look there's nothing else
we can do with military power. Our military power is not going to coerce the Iranians
into doing what we want them to do, even on the nuclear issue, let alone all the other
things. And I think that marked the loss of this war because after that the Americans
were never going to get out of it what they wanted to politically. And since the 8th
of April, all the noise and the discussions and all the back and forth Trump statements
were going to have peace. No, we're not going to have peace. We're going to go back to war.
Every Friday it's a peaceful statement. Every Monday it's a warlike statement because it's
trying to influence the markets.
All of that is the noise around the Americans
trying to bolster what is effectively
a weak political position.
Because although the country of Iran
desperately needs peace, the Iranians,
they're all 90 million, they desperately need peace.
But the people in power don't.
The IRGC, who are now in power, the hardliners,
they're all very well off personally.
They've all got their bolt holes to go to
when things collapse, if they collapse at some time
in the future, as I suspect that they will.
And so they don't need peace as much as the population
Iran needs peace, and it's a deeply, deeply corrupt organization. It's an organization
which cares nothing for Iranian people, despite what they say. So they're under no real pressure
to give in. Donald Trump is under much more pressure to get a deal of some sort, and you
have to try to sell it to the American public. It's been somehow better than the Obama deal
of 2015, which he withdrew from.
Yeah, it's interesting how he started that statement on truth social, mentioning the
JCPOA, Obama's deal. So look, Michael, obviously you paint a picture that doesn't leave a lot
of hope when it comes to a long lasting peace between Iran and the United States, but it's
really the Strait of Hormuz that has made this war have an impact on economies right
around the world. So do you foresee not a long lasting peace between the two warring
parties, but some kind of opening of the Strait of Hormuz soon?
Yes, Barbara, I mean, I see, I don't see a return to military activity particularly,
but I see a grumbling, diplomatic argument between Iran and the United States.
It will go on and we'll go on beyond the 60 days, and there may be occasional military
operations on both sides.
I think we're not going to see a neat end to this.
It will just drift on for a long time.
The Strait of Hormuz, I'm sure, will open again, but it will never go back to the way
it was, ever.
Whatever they say about the Strait of Hormuz, it will not go back to the way it was, because
because the Iranians now know, and we now know, how easy it is for them to close it.
It wasn't as easy for them to do this in the tank award during the 1980s,
but the modern technologies of cheap ballistic missiles, cheap drones, robotic boats,
even mid-robotic submarines, all of those things didn't exist in the 1980s,
but they exist now.
Operating from Kesem Island, from Bandar Abbas,
the Iranians can close the straits at a moment's notice whenever they want to,
And that's the new reality that won't change.
Our security and defense analyst, Professor Michael Clark.
Michael, it was good to talk to you.
Thank you.
Shit it.
All right.
It's come home commies.
Oh, no.
Is this mom Donnie backed candidates rallies in New York ahead of season and the big Apple.
Hey, look who it is.
is.
Over there, Michael, there's socialists, Congress.
These are your comrades.
These are your fires.
The reason why I'm not afraid is because I'm surrounded by comrades like all of you.
We're here at Congress.
I'm going to try to say assembly.
They love the comrade.
Last night, the Democratic Socialist of America congressional candidate Claire Valdez hit the
campaign trail with Nepo Baby and radical streamer Hasan Piker.
Next week, Bernie Sanders and Mamdani will rally to elect even more Democrat socialists
to Congress.
But they're betting on a woman named Daria Lisa Villa Chevalier.
She's cut from the same cloth as people like Elon Omar and friends.
And her deleted posts on X, according to CNN.
She's called to abolish the police, the border, prisons, and in some cases, private property.
Why not?
also about this? Like, do you think this is going to do numbers in, in a democratic primary
in a fucking blue ass district dude? Like who the fuck's like, Oh, you know what? I am a Democrat,
lifelong Democrat living in New York City. And I'm making my calculation on who I think is the
best possible person to vote for off of what fucking Laura Ingram has to say.
It's such a funny, it's such a funny way to, to deal like, why are you getting involved
in this way in the Democratic primaries?
Now, this is the official platform being endorsed by the sitting mayor of New York City and
a U.S. senator. And they want it to go way beyond the Big Apple. Here to discuss Victor
Davis Hansen, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, not Institute. Victor, seizing
private property is what communists do. You know, we keep calling them socialists. They're
not socialists. This is a communist movement undergirded by communist front groups in the
United States. What could possibly go wrong?
A lot.
We know usually American politics, whether it was Goldwater or McGovern, when a party
goes too far one way, they lose.
And so far, these 11 or 12 candidates that were socialists and the primaries who did
well, they're still in congressional districts.
We'll see what Platinum and Telerico do, but none of them win a statewide, much less a national
election.
When Camilla Harris ran, she disavowed all the things that she had said in most of her
her VP and said.
Yeah, and she lost. So what's the point?
Carmelo Harris.
Yeah, she lost.
She said she was now for fracking. She said she didn't oppose a, you know,
deportation. She wanted to close border.
So we'll see, but so far today, the socialist communists, whatever Islamists is, whatever
we call them, they haven't been successful in the statewide Republican democratic constituency
and we'll see what happens.
But I'm not, I'm skeptical that they're going to be.
not lost on me that the argument from the far right dipshit at Hoover
institution is identical to the third way argument hmm so glad so glad we just
listened to third way say the exact same things as the far right Hoover
institution guy on Fox News nonetheless hmm how interesting too successful maybe
things have changed with 53 million foreign born in the country or social
media but I think the general rule means stays the same well it's why our
economy has to work for the average person is that not the case Victor because
Because if enough young people think, no matter how hard I work, no matter what I do, it's
either going to be a job goes to a foreigner, or I'm going to be replaced by AI, or I can't
afford rent or a house, then why should they be for capitalism?
So Trump's trying to reorient our economy back toward a manufacturing economy to make
it work for more people.
The war has kind of gotten in the way of that.
To me, it's it's it's really urgent that things begin to turn around with inflation for just precisely reasons such as this
Well, that's exactly why you see oh
Interesting oh
You mean to tell me there's a real crisis in the American economy is causing people to look for alternative modes of
Organizing the economy hmm
Well, thank you for making my point for me
Eating socialists
They're kind of emulating Trump because the Democratic Party lost the white working class a long time
They were the deplorables clingers. They were demobiles garbage and they're trying to win them back with these sort of
astroturf
Working-class people that are not authentic. They're mostly pretty wealthy, but that's the key affordability. Can you buy a house?
Can you pay off your debts? Can you?
buy food and affordable prices and and
And we have to, Trump's gonna have to focus on that as quickly as the war is over.
Back to the home front.
Victor, always great to see you, my friend.
Thank you so much.
And coming up, speak.
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Yeah, I had a feeling it was gonna be a pretty poisonous topic where the only winning move
is not the play in regards to covering the H3 vs. I-Dubs lawsuit.
And sometimes you put your hand on the stove to see if it's still hot.
And boy howdy is it ever.
Like I've always said, I treat this channel like a diary.
I just blabber about things that I feel like talking on, just sitting in my chair kicking
my little five foot six petite leggies around and just giving my thoughts from the old steel
trap up here on it.
And one topic I've always covered is creator lawsuits.
No, when I heard about the H3 vs iDubz defamation case, I wanted to take a peek into it, sink
my teeth in there and see-
Can you get a skip?
No, why?
Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you guys, man?
For months, you demanded large content creators to fucking cover Ethan Klein's frivolous litigation.
Now you've got a fucking major content creator actually covering Ethan Klein's frivolous litigation
and now you're like, I don't like it!
Stop!
Skip now!
And it's not just about idubbbz either.
There are a shit ton of people that are being harmed by this and have been harmed by this.
It's moving beyond like regular drama slop.
I'm conflicted on this because while I did not think that the initial video gave, I mean
the initial video did not land with with with they did not certainly lend support
i'm sitting here listening to your raw news and charlie's talking about me is this new chat help
ian watches these i don't no this is the second video he did the first video i didn't think he
He gave a fair shake to the situation.
I chalked it up to him not being super in tune with what's going on, okay?
I even said if Moist knew the extent of the harassment campaigns conducted by Ethan Klein
against Ian and Anissa, that he would have a different attitude on it, or if he knew
about the actual timeline of events in terms of, like, when Ethan started attacking content creators
and how he started attacking content creators, that he would probably have a different attitude.
Or even if he knew more about the harassment campaigns altogether.
H3 crew is tired. The H3 podcast crew is not openly questioning why Ethan Klein is legal
smoke for Idaubs but not for Destiny. I mean, that's the main question, right? Because the
reality of the matter is, it's incredibly stupid for Ethan Klein to launch a defamation
lawsuit against idubbbz for idubbbz literally putting the defi-
moratory statement on his stream and saying he disagrees with it.
It doesn't make any fucking sense.
More proof?
Uh, Ethan when he finds out his dad was also a pedophile from August 24th,
destiny was just joking. Ethan said, right? Oh, fuck. I see this runs in the family. Oh
god. I'm sorry, bro. Bro's dad, the one who's married and fucks 16 year old and birthed
Ethan, the guy who makes it so many pedo jokes is a Reddit account dedicated to them out
here, literally liking thirst traps of his August 28th, 2025. So destiny has defamed
Ethan and claimed Ethan was a pedophile or implied Ethan was a pedophile on numerous occasions.
Idebs never has. As a matter of fact, the only thing Idebs has done is to point to the
defintory statements and say these are serious allegations that destiny has made and Ethan
should probably pursue some kind of litigation or some kind of investigation.
Meanwhile, the main question that everybody has for this predicament now is, one, why the fuck are you suing so many goddamn people, and two, if you're going to sue so many goddamn people, why aren't you suing the actual party that slandered you, and not a third party that doesn't even agree with the slander?
What is this?
It appears that Ethan is hoping to extract an admission of guilt from the victims of
his frivolous losses so they'll be more likely to survive a motion to dismiss slash judgment
on the pleadings.
Here is more proof to this guy.
This is directly from Destiny and Dan.
Yes.
Dan Saltman, try to destroy someone's life and career should be expected.
They grind you in the dirt in every way they can.
I don't care about H3s, items, lawsuits, petty or revenge driven says Dan Stalkman.
This is Ethan Klein's major sponsor at this point, Redactev, the owner of Redactev,
the podcast co-host and basically left tenant of Destiny.
He's like a 60 year old real estate developer, landlord guy who spends every
waking moment online, you know, attacking people for the crime of criticizing
Israel and attacking people for the even larger crime of of criticizing destiny
You what's going on because that is a pretty wild thing to learn about and learn about it
I did like a little scholar. It was a new lawsuit. It was only
public knowledge for like 24 hours
so I
did as much research on it as I could and watched the
Yeah, I dub stream that started that is like the main catalyst of it
I watched the h3 stream where he explains his lawsuit and I talked to both parties
I dubs and Ethan to try and get the clearest most complete picture of
Everything going on here and then I just gave you my view on it from the old Floridian homunculus eyes and
And I think I've always made it abundantly clear.
You're always welcome to disagree with me.
I've always kept that door wide open because I actually value
differences of opinion.
I hate echo chambers. I spit on that constantly.
I actively shut down the idea that you have to agree with everything I say
or else I hate you. You're tacky and I hate you.
Throughout all my content, from the womb to the tomb,
I have always welcomed discussion and people having a difference of opinion because as I've always said I think when you surround yourself with sick offense and you only lock yourself into one way of viewing things, you do yourself a disservice.
I think it is a bad thing to just be constantly locked in a bubble.
locked in a bubble. Now the reason I mentioned that is because I made the
mistake. I committed the old sin of taking a peek at what the discussion was
around this video on like Reddit and Twitter, which something I haven't done
in quite a few moons now. I was expecting like actual discussion because I knew
this topic and I wanted to see okay well what are some things that I didn't
know about what can I learn about here and dive deeper on. And there was some
very valid critiques and some information that I could get my hands on and learn more
about. But boy, howdy, there was a lot of hoopla that I couldn't have even imagined would
be like a, like a controversial thing. And there were people that were probably stating
they didn't watch the video and then getting angry at things they assumed I might have
said in it or attacking me for things that I never said that aren't in the video because
they didn't watch it, or they're replying to someone who's just actually making shit
up that they're pulling out of their ass that he never said.
So it just feels fucking useless to even engage in the topic in that case.
Like that's, it's so odd.
Like one that I didn't expect was just me mentioning that I'm not online as much as
I used to be was apparently like a highly debated topic.
The guy whose entire career is front running whatever is going viral is saying that he
He doesn't know what's going on the internet.
Alright, I mean obviously we gotta take his word for it, right?
Let's see what videos he's been making.
Lego.
Watch Bojo got even more pathetic.
Degenerate cringe.
Lego vigilantes.
Lego scandal keeps getting messy.
Barbara responds to the Lego scandal.
Lego scandal is getting extremely dangerous and scary.
Cringe officer embarrasses himself.
Lego scandal keeps getting crazier.
The gist of it is, when I was talking about the defamation lawsuit, I also mentioned that
Ethan has other active lawsuits against other creators, and I called him the Nintendo of
YouTubers because he's become extremely litigious, but I didn't dive into those other lawsuits
because I didn't know much about them.
And that claim is apparently extremely hard to believe because everyone thinks and assumes
that I am terminally online like I used to be two or three years ago.
But when I said that's not the case, there are quite a few people that just don't believe me.
Unfathomable moment, so it must be a lie. So here's a streamer debunking by going through my
channel and noticing I've posted a lot of videos on LEGO, for example, because of the big LEGO
scandal, which I think is a very interesting example to use off the point he's making about me
front-running every viral story because with the reckless bin verse bricks and
minifigs Lego scandal I actually was getting called out for avoiding that
and ignoring it because I was late to covering it. Reckless bin dropped part
one on May 21st and I heard about it from stream chat and then a friend sent it
to me as well and I made my video covering it on May 26th five days later
but in that interim people were saying I was avoiding the topic. I just find it
fascinating how if I cover something quickly or extensively like in the case
of the Lego scandal that's a problem. I'm just front-running shit to
capitalize off the virality of it, but if I am late to covering something well
that means that I was avoiding it and I must have known about it the whole time
and had ulterior motives to avoid the topic out of cowardice and I only talk
about it when pressed. It feels like a lose-lose. If I'm too quick to something or too interested
in something so I make a lot of content on it, well then I'm just there to front-run it and
capitalize off it being popular. But if I'm too slow to it, well it means I was actually avoiding
it the whole time and when I do cover it, well it's only because people pressured me.
So where's the Goldilocks zone? I can't be too quick to something or too interested in it,
because that's frowned upon, but I also can't be too slow to it or not cover it at all because then
that must mean that I knew about it the whole time. I'm damn near omniscient, I guess I see
everything and thus if I am slow to it or don't talk about it then there was an ulterior motive
and a deeper reason that's nefarious. So where is the Goldilocks zone? I personally don't see why
it's so hard to believe that considering in a lot of the stories I cover, they have already
been covered by others like Dolan Darkis for example. Swap Live has beaten me to like every
topic for the last year basically. And the way I find out about a lot of the things I cover
is through, I said friends sending it to me or when I do stream, which isn't daily, I'm a semi
retired streamer but when I do stream look um I think we got to be tactical here and tactically speaking
if we're being super fucking straightforward about this you got to think about the utility
um uh the utility of of assuming that uh moist critical is is perfectly knowledgeable about
the lawsuits, whether that's the case or not, doesn't matter, okay? He was always knowledgeable
about the lawsuits and he was like personally not saying things about it. I don't know if there's a
lot of utility in bringing that to the forefront rather than being like, hey, this video was great
and there's a lot more information out there. You know, if you take a look at it, I think you
would have a different perspective. You know what I mean? Because I do think that it cited
perhaps or gave far too much charitability to the party that is engaging in frivolous
litigation, but I think it's, you know, it's better to just be like, hey, I'm not going
to immediately assume that you're being cynical here and trying to maintain a centrist position
against a lot of content creators that are considered.
What? Hasan, why are you trying to kill more Pegasus?
And I say this as someone who has been on the receiving end of
of Moist Critical's commentary that I found to be
not so nuanced, right?
I mean, he very quickly did the Kaigei video.
He's one of the first to do the Kaigei video,
and I'm still saying that.
I mean, Ethan Klein is a menace.
Ethan Klein is not only a menace about frivolous litigation.
He has a lot of money, and he's wasting it in an effort to destroy his enemies, right?
In an effort to bury them under costly paperwork.
That's number one.
Number two, Ethan Klein has done everything that he claims is being done to him and far
worse to numerous content creators.
He is vicious.
He's ruthless.
He's a bully.
He never shies away from bullying content creators.
He does it all the time.
He does it like a sport and his community certainly revels in that.
His community loves it.
They participate in the fun of it all.
So what he claims is a snark, snark subreddits or whatever.
His community is a snark subreddit.
What is this?
Is this the first statement here?
Yeah, you can take the camera.
I think Ethan Klein's like a false DMCA attitude is one that moist critical is is not fond of just isn't the first sense
You're via this much smoke for a DMCA takedown should ruin your reputation forever
Then people were fair to ask where the smoke was for an actual lawsuit trying to restrict fair use now
He doesn't know does he still agree with that? No, I don't think he does and I do think that he's being nicer to Ethan Klein
Then he should be I think he's being
In an effort to maintain a fair position while simultaneously not siding too much with unfavorable
parties, because let's be real, in the spaces that Moist Critical occupies, in the spaces
that we all occupy, we are the minority position.
In the real world, we're not the minority position, but on the internet, the drama and
the slop tuber adjacent spaces, we are not the norm.
Our worldview is actively undermined.
Our worldview is actively under attack.
If you turn around and if you're a prominent content creator,
like Idubs was, who prominently said the N word, right?
And defended being able to say it under the auspices
of being a defender of free speech
and was like that edgy content creator
such an influential content creator were so many people when they were growing up and
who then turned around and made the egregious mistake of taking ownership over his past
and saying that that does not represent who he is now.
I mean, that was a major turning point for a lot of fucking people.
A lot of people in that sphere despise him permanently, okay?
They hate him and they will forever hate him to a degree that I do not understand.
Okay? I don't understand it. It comes across very strange to me. You know, he
went woke and that was a big problem for a lot of people. But let's be real. A lot
of people in this sphere, even if they have a difference in opinion on things
like that, will sometimes keep that close to their chest because this space is
about not disrupting certain powerful forces, this space is all about, you know, having
decent relationships with some of its larger actors. And if you are in any way, shape or
form a warrior for quote unquote woke, you are going to draw tremendous enmity. And,
and you are going to draw tremendous anger and resentment. Why the fuck is this? God
this is so shit. Okay, you are going to draw tremendous angst, tremendous animosity, tremendous
enmity from the people who want to keep this space as right-wing as possible under the
guise of being, under the guise of being quote-unquote apolitical. So many people who are apolitical
or present themselves as centrists are not actually apolitical or centrists. They do have
an objectively right-wing stance. They just don't say it out loud, okay?
And I do think that that reflects on who, not just Charlie, but who everyone else hears
from as well. I see this as baby steps moving in the right direction. Perhaps I'm too optimistic.
But even the brief coverage afforded to it, while many might consider too little too late,
is a step in the right direction that things are actually shifting.
The reason why I say this is because, for the last three years, there wasn't a real peep
from not only Charlie, but the overwhelming majority of the commentary YouTube community
was actively in support of Ethan's lawsuits, regardless of the fact that they were
They were very obviously frivolous on its face.
Okay?
They were.
It wasn't different three years ago.
The only difference was back then,
it also tied back to Israel-Palestine,
an issue that many people were too afraid to touch
with a 10-foot pole.
Okay?
Why is he making this video then?
Because I think there is an attitude shift
that's taking place.
So I try to see the silver lining here,
And the attitude shift is that maybe due to how unfavorably
Ethan is being seen by many others,
maybe this lawsuit being seen as a bridge too far,
there are people who are, for the first time ever,
actively coming out and being critical of Ethan Klein's
behavior.
They should have been a long time ago, but they are now.
So if they're even remotely starting that process,
remotely started that conversation, I'm happy for it. Okay.
There's an unwritten rule that when violated, it ruins your
image forever. It causes irreparable damage to your
reputation. And there's really not much you can ever do to get
back in the good graces of the platform. That is abusing the
copyright takedown system. Yeah, I mean, this is he's right. It
is an unwritten rule except Ethan tried to rewrite that rule and he's done it with you.
He's not only done that, the problem here is, guys, guys, okay?
The problem here is a multi-faceted problem, okay?
Whether we like to admit it or not, even if amongst normies, amongst the normies sphere,
amongst the normie sphere
Politics is very different than the internet specifically youtube specifically youtube commentary
There are many different pockets of a very woke
Places online, you know, you got tiktok
There's a woke slant there. Maybe even hyper woke at times
um
But a lot of the commentary sphere get their notes from twitter and reddit and unfortunately reddit is very malleable and
and easy to brigade and twitter is a neo-nazi shithole this reflects the output of the commentary sphere all together
Okay, so the commentary sphere has found itself in this like weird edgy centrist
To to right wing attitude on a lot of issues and therefore people like myself are persona nongrata
I am literally the number one op of virtually every drama tuber virtually every content creator on the commentary sphere
has presented me as literally the worst fucking person, okay?
They talk about me more than they talk about Donald Trump, for example.
They talk about me more than they talk about the far-right figures, for example.
Or even if they do talk about far-right figures, what do they always say?
Oh, you know, this guy, Asmongold, he fucked up.
Rarely ever do they criticize Asmongold, but when they do,
they'll say, well, Hasan and Asmongold are two sides of the same coin.
Now, for adults with a functioning brain, they know that that's fucking ridiculous, right?
It's totally ridiculous.
This is what I studied, this is what I went to college for, this is what I do professionally,
and not only do I do this professionally, but I also, you know, am literally about to
go and talk to two congressional candidates, right, at the same time.
So, there is no parity there.
There is no equivalence there.
even a moral equivalence, no political equivalence whatsoever, but to the, from the perspective
of even the most woke, adjacent commentary content creators, they do look for a parody
there.
The reason for why is because the attitude in this sphere is unbelievably slanted to
the fucking far right.
And some of these people are aware of it, and they are right-wing in their political attitudes,
and they're just simply hiding that.
But many others don't even realize it, because from their worldview, from their understanding
of politics, it just revolves around fucking drama, okay?
And that's it.
That's it.
Charlie's one of the rare, unique individuals who's in this space, right?
Charlie's one of the rare and unique individuals in this space who actually, I think, jokingly
I've talked about this before, hides how much more woke he actually is.
He's the very rare guy who's kind of more leftist than he actually lets on, as opposed
to the number of content creators in the sphere that are actually super right-wing and they
they hide that they're super right wing and they say they're apolitical.
And the only reason why I point to that, and it's not the same with like his coverage on
idubbbz, obviously, or his even coverage on me or coverage on pokeman or whatever.
But like when it comes to actual political issues, he has stuck his neck out in an unbelievably
hostile space to even defend trans rights, for example, right?
I don't know why this fucking camera is getting worse and worse as time goes on.
Okay, we're gonna move on but I mean we're gonna move into the the
IRL portion of this but I will continue the coverage in the car, okay?
I'm gonna continue the coverage in the car right over there
But this is I'll keep playing this video for the time being in stream chat
Putting things on my radar and naturally what people are probably going to be sending are the popular things because that's what they've seen
So that's usually what I get sent.
But is that all the time either?
Like on his stream as he was scrolling around talking about how it's only like, you know, the big popular stuff,
he passed multiple things that weren't like that video about not enough people think about this.
That's about sand.
It's literally just about sand and sand related crimes like the sand mafia.
And he also even called out another one about ranking every item on Panda Express's menu.
He used that to belittle me about it's not good,
is the thing he was insinuating there.
But it's not like a viral story.
It's not like Panda Express is a huge topic.
You gotta strike while the iron's hot.
My channel has always just been things
that I'm interested in at the time.
And yeah, there are a lot of stories I get sent
that I do find interesting and do yap about,
like the Lego scandal.
But I really do miss a lot more these days
I did when I was very online all the time, like two or three years ago. I don't know how else
to prove it to you. I mean, I guess you can look at my Twitter page and see that I have two tweets
in like the last two years. Yeah, I don't think he fucks with Twitter as much any longer. I think
he just gets, I believe him when he says he gets his notes from his audience and he gets his notes
from like Reddit every now and then or other content creators that reach out to him and stuff,
I do believe that. Are you familiar with the history of Turkmenistan, takeover of
communists and Islamist, but you somehow have deference for this too?
Oh
I'm gonna get mad about a country that I am I suspect you have deference for
What's next man Micronesia you're gonna bring up what my attitude is about what you suspect my attitude is about Latvia
It's just so fucking weird bro you are so naive
Then it was reaction a clip of Ethan Klein saying this is all started because I was not
down with Hamas civilians your honor because this all started because I was not down with
Hamas killing a bunch of civilians your honor I had to sue all these people because ever
Everyone hated that I was not okay with innocent civilians dying.
Hamas literally did this to me.
She's a vile fucking human being, your honor.
She's a vile human being.
I thought that was a bad thing.
And that's what started the entire, you know, chasm between me and Hassan and the whole
community.
What the fuck?
Like, yeah, which is why I started suing every content creator around Hassan that I suspect
has been friendly with us on at any point
uh...
yeah this is this
is three crews tired issue practice now openly question why you think that is
legal smoke for our does the number that's in the zinn
starting lose support of his own group of others as well as smoke for destiny
so it's getting just
This is why I unwittingly got sucked into the snark or talk about this. Our fans are chill. It's all these like that's crazy
We for
Snarking communities who are colluding all over social media everywhere to put forward these narratives and I have no way to fight
I have no way to fight the style of the bullshit and someone who's reasonable thought for like Charlie's now is like unwittingly
First of all, his community is not fucking chill. They've literally like harassed the CEO of twitch
while he was calling me and everyone that was pro-Palestine a fucking Hamas
terrorist I had the teddy fresh rug behind my back and I literally was
oblivious to what he was saying and and it kept repeatedly defending him which
was a massive mistake in my opinion I recognize that now right but he was I
i mean he was a incredibly shitty person to so many people
yet it's just classic fucking darvo he's just denying deflecting
uh... and saying uh... and and projecting and saying that his
opposition is doing the things that he's doing
meanwhile what's funny is redacted is right there this is dan saltman who is
a serial doxer serial harasser
serial cyber stalkers
own company
That is a sponsor of Ethan Klein, okay?
That's the reason why he won't fucking sue Destiny
for this clear cut instance of defamation.
That's why he has to cope and say,
oh, it's actually because he was just joking.
Peding, the stuff, like saying I have no smoke
for Destiny is crazy.
I think he means no legal smoke.
Why would I?
Why would I sue him?
We don't have a legal claim to sue him.
What do you mean you don't have a legal claim
He's the one who made the defamatory statement. I think that's what it's referring to. Oh, what legal smoke? Why would I soon?
Why would I be okay? I that's even
even his his
Employees are like because he made this statement Ethan because he made the statement
He made the fucking statement, I mean something needs to happen that would qualify
We what destiny didn't happen. It's not like what Ian did. What did Ian do? Yeah, I mean, this is literally him saying
Yeah, this is this is destiny saying Ethan Klein destiny who's the pedo VA
I can't play it because they use pedo voice actors when talking about the I assume that that you know cat eugenics game or whatever
That's any quick daily reminder either for Asia. She was likely pedophiles molesters all children like these are statements
These are the defintory statements that destiny made
I'd have not make these things like how come he's not showing destiny, but he's doing Ian. It's a snark. That's a snark talking point. Oh
My god
My thing about Charlie Redness there's three years of backstory he's not aware of so he takes the CPS go can't claims or either seriously
Huh? Yeah
It's just it's it's totally fucking ridiculous
Anyway, we're we're gonna move on right now. I'm gonna keep playing this, but I'll see you on the
website and I'll continue watching this in the car ride over there.
Most every month and a half and a lot of them are just me hanging out with my farm animals.
Like you can check my my streaming history and see that I'm not an active streamer,
like an active streamer, but I'm not streaming with the same frequency I used to and I'm not
putting in really long hours, aside from what I did Destiny 2, Salvation's Edge Blind
recently, which is fucking exciting, but I don't really know how else to say it.
I just don't see everything that happens online, and I can't believe that's something that's
apparently like a big issue or so unbelievable. In fact, it's embarrassing for me that people
can't imagine that I'm not online all the time.
Have all the lazy ass fucking thumbnails. Also, he has the Asmongoldian outfit where he only wears a dirty white t-shirt
in every fucking thumbnail. God, every single video is like, guys, we gotta, he's gotta stay offline to make his panda express tearless.
Well, now you're on way too far. How fucking dare you? I have been wearing white t-shirts, not dirty white t-shirts, by the way,
pristine Jim Mint white t-shirts since high school, since Asmongold was in diapers.
It's like me saying that you have a moist, cruddy, and hair and beard combo. But anyway,
now let's talk about the other lawsuits here, because that was a big point that people were
very upset with, that I didn't extensively cover those as well when talking about the
defamation lawsuit. And since I didn't do so and people didn't believe that it was because I didn't
know about it, they are accusing me of knowingly avoiding it or even silently
championing for those lawsuits, which I find befuddling because throughout my
entire time on YouTube, the 18 or 19 years on YouTube, I think I've made it
beyond crystal clear how much I dislike this litigious approach to online
this course and really just this excessive use of the legal system for
strong arming or silencing like I have made I don't know how many videos
covering cases even outside of like the internet scope of like you know sometimes
the legal toilet paper flying back and forth but like just in general like the
willy-nilly lawsuits that fly around from like corporations attempting to bully
people too. Like, I don't know why anyone would think for a second that I would be avoiding
talking about that or agreeing with it. Why would I? I never have in the past, so why would
I start now? You just don't like me, which is totally fine. I get it. Not everyone likes
the old Florida peach, but you're just viewing it in bad faith and making that assumption.
And it's incorrect because the truth is, and this shouldn't come as a shock to anyone,
after learning more about those other lawsuits that Ethan has engaged in, like the fair use
lawsuits and such, guess what?
I don't agree with those either.
Now obviously, I don't know all the nitty gritty around every single lawsuit.
I've only just begun learning about all of these, but from everything I've seen from
the lawsuits that he has actively going on.
There's nothing in there that makes me think that
this is like the right way of doing things,
or that this is different from other times in the past
where creators have sued each other over disputes.
Now, clearly I don't know all the nuance
and intricacies of fair use law.
Ethan would certainly know that better than I
and many others would.
So maybe he has some strong cases here
and in one of the instances with one of these streamers,
It did seem like they were just uninterrupted playing the video without even an attempt
to transform it.
So maybe that could be like an easy fair use win for Ethan.
But I just don't think that's a win overall.
Like for as long as I've been on the internet, that kind of behavior has been frowned upon.
And I really think if the targets were different, if it wasn't streamers that a lot of people
don't like, the response would be very different to these lawsuits.
But now a lot of people celebrate them because they just hate the people that Ethan is doing.
So they go yee-haw for it.
But these individuals, like the streamers in particular for the fair use, they are a
fraction of the size of Ethan.
So it's a, to me, a hard case to make that he was genuinely like losing eyeballs because
of them streaming it on their Twitch channel.
And yeah, that is like a big asshole thing for them to do, but let's be real. It's not hurting you. It's just you don't like them
And they don't like you. So this was a way of being able to get a big jab in there
Which one is it first or second first and just
Okay, it's mine is the one who's busted my phone is busted. It's not working for some reason anyway, we're back
should be seeing us now hopefully I'll be able to show the fucking YouTube video
because I wanted to continue doing commentary over it but all right
everybody we're back not sure what happened there but we were we were going
through the moist critical video which I'll continue watching
to get a big jab in anyway so he's that kind of behavior he's been frowned upon
and I really think if the targets were different he has actively going on
there's nothing in there that makes me think that this is like the right way of
doing things or that this is different from other times in the past where
creators have sued each other over disputes now clearly I don't know all
the nuance and intricacies of fair use law, Ethan would certainly know that better than
I and many others would. So maybe he has some strong cases here and in one of the instances
with one of these streamers it did seem like they were just uninterrupted playing the video
without even an attempt to transform it. So does Mois know that Ethan specifically went
to
Specifically got his YouTube video basically patented and then openly admitted that he was laying a trap for
Content creators the watch including myself
Because he I don't know if I
Don't know if that's like
Is it effing? Oh, no signal holds stutter
My real pause left this video
It's fixed. Oh, okay. There was a audio glitch. Okay, so
Again, I don't know if he would know if he did actual research, but he refuses to.
Yeah, I just don't...
I don't think he knows that Ethan openly admitted that he was trying to lay a trap for specific
content creators that he doesn't like due to the commentary that they actually deployed
on this video and he doesn't like their political perspective and that's literally the reason
why he was launching this suit against them as opposed to XTC and Asmongold and numerous
other people that actually watched the content themselves and didn't offer anything extravagant
as far as reactions goes in comparison to like Morgan
or Denim's or even Casey Tron.
And Casey Tron was the only person
that was able to, I guess, fundraise enough
to be able to continue this lawsuit.
And instead of like, you know, getting a default judgment
or potentially, you know, conceding like Casey Tron did.
Casey Tron did. And Denim's, I'm glad she pursued it, because of that pursuit, we found
out that Dethon's own legal claims that his lawyer made were used against him in the
default, or in the judgment, in the default judgment that he came out. Sorry, he meant
Denim's not Casey. It's sorry. Oh, sorry. Yes. I'm talking about there's three instances of
a frivolous copyright claims, right? Morgan, who did not pursue it.
Casey Tron, who settled and did that ISIS style hostage video that everybody fucking
celebrated. That was forced upon her as a condition for the settlement,
including financial damages, and then Denims who actually pursued the lawsuit, and when
in Denims' lawsuit, we're talking about the DMCA ones now, in Denims' lawsuit, the argument
that his legal team actually pursued, unironically, was used in the default judgment against the
the legal team because they had said, oh, they didn't actually, they transformed.
They admitted to transforming the video, but not in a way that Ethan Klein wanted the video
to be transformed.
That in and of itself killed the DMCI argument.
They basically admitted that, right?
When you admit that there was a transformation that took place, you just didn't like the
transformation, you can't pursue a legal claim that no such transformation had
taking place. So it's not a... the reason I'm pointing to this is because it's not a
sincere DMCA request and he has no case and no standing. And that's not my
opinion, that was my opinion initially and I talked about it, but that's also
now the, you know, luckily for all of us who do enjoy fair use, which Ethan
initially had fought for and won and created the precedent of. The judge also
used the existing precedent that he then had fought for to destroy the argument
that he was presenting. And it's interesting, like I've been tweeted about
this, it's like a lot of large content creators would have been hurt and small
content grid as well. Basically every content gritter would have been hurt if
Ethan was able to successfully destroy his own fair use precedent while he
pursued this lawsuit. Which is why I always found it strange that more people
were not talking about it, especially when a lot of commentary folks did talk
about it initially, but it's an open and shut case that would destroy the
financial status of Denims and celebrated when it did destroy the financial status
of Casey Tron and we're celebrating when they when they hoped that it would
destroy Morgan as well. The reality of the matter is can we move the camera
back down? Why? My goodness the audio is glitchy. Audio clicking or something I
I don't know.
Audio is killing me.
Audio is killing me.
The audio is barely noticeable.
It's just potholes?
Oh my God, are you guys hearing the fucking potholes
and complaining about that?
Audio clicking or something, I don't know.
Oh, every now and then what I'm talking is just like,
there's a little baby glitch.
Audio is killing me.
Audio is killing me.
Not even.
There's literally like a one-second crunch every now and then I feel the splitter. Oh my god, dude
I think chatters need to chatters
Your parents should have never given you so much Tylenol when you were little babies. Okay
It's actually crazy
Loose 3.5 jack is shit every time you hit a pothole this is shaking
Oh, cause you have the splitter on it.
Maybe.
Maybe that's the reason.
Oh, I did something sorry, Jeff.
Well.
Oh, they're going to go way too dank now.
Anyway.
Yeah, it tells us all on the fix the damn pothole
so we can have a good audio experience.
True.
It's high that I'll quit.
Anyway, let's continue.
It could be like an easy fair use waiting for Ethan.
But I just don't think that's a win overall.
like for as long as I've been on the internet that kind of behavior has been frowned upon
and I really think if the targets were different if it wasn't streamers that a lot of people don't
like the response would be very different to these lawsuits right now a lot should celebrate them
because they just hate the people that Ethan is doing so they go mehaw for it but these individuals
like the streamers in particular for the fair use, they were a fraction of the size of Ethan.
So it's a, to me, a hard case to make that he was genuinely like losing eyeballs because of
them streaming it on their Twitch channel. And yeah, that is like a big asshole thing for them to do,
but let's be real, it's not hurting you, it's just you don't like them, and they don't like you.
So this was a way of being able to get a big jab in there, and since a lot of the internet
doesn't like them. It gets a rally behind you as well as opposed to start asking the question
why even bother. You already won again against that kind of behavior. The internet from what I
can tell and this is kind of postmortem now since I'm super late to it but from what I can tell
no one was really on the side of the streamers that were just blatantly streaming it without any
kind of transformation or anything like that. So you've already won. What's the point in continuing
this further paying big bucks to the lawyer just so you could also financially hurt them to further
you know you know it just it seems like it's less about you know fighting a just cause for fair
use and more about like here's here's some more ammunition. The big one that I spent the most
time looking into is the Dittum's case because it's the most recent and is being touted as a
tentative loss for Ethan, which I don't know what a tentative loss really means because it's not
an official loss, it's still an ongoing lawsuit here, but the judge had like a very seemingly
stern view on it that even cited Ethan Klein's previous fair use victory against him and his
suit against them.
Ethan Klein, a while back, had a landmark achievement
in the fight for fair use against good old guy Matt Haas.
And that ruling was cited here against him
in this fair use lawsuit.
So to me, that illustrates that maybe these lawsuits aren't
coming from a genuine place of trying
to enforce real fair use and are potentially just coming
from a place of revenge.
Now, I don't know the intricacies of everyone.
I don't know why you always like qualifies it 100%.
That is the case.
Like, this is what I mean.
You don't have to qualify it this hard.
I mean, look, it's your show and you know,
I'm not implying anything,
but it's just like, it is confusing to me
why there is this layer of qualification every time
qualification every time where it's like well, you know, I kind of feels to me like Ethan Klein is a maybe engaging in an act of revenge
petty vengeance
Yeah, I mean you're right. He is that is what he's doing and it's not
Is not a real
It's not a real lawsuit. There was no real harm done and it's very obvious and not only that but even is also like
Like, gotten away with it as you also correctly called out because nobody wants to defend
the people that he was seeking to punish.
There are not a lot of allies, not for the rest of the normies or anything like that,
but there are not a lot of allies in the commentary sphere for female content creators in particular.
Let's be real, okay?
Some of these female contractors are also very outspoken. So that's you know two strikes and
They were outspoken on an issue that is
Considered a no-touch issue like Israel. So that's three strikes in your out
This was a wonderful opportunity to punish like
Internet-designed enemies and that's literally why and it's part of the reason why Ethan did it
He can chose those targets deliberately
right and and that's literally the reason why nobody fucking gave a shit but
it's clear that the the idubbbz what I'm actually confused by is like why the
idubbbz one it was the turning point is because idubbbz is like a very known
very famous content critic is like he's been doing this nonstop like I wonder
why they consider this to be a bridge too far is this is what I'm seeing like a lot
of people finally pull out uh and and pull their heads out of their asses and uh and
and go you know I fucking hate idos use a cook whatever the fuck they say but also still
this is like messed up um or maybe it's because it's so like it's so ridiculous like idos
pointing to someone else's deffinitory statement of being like, this is defamation. Ethan Klein
should pursue this legally. And then complaining about it. When openly admitting that he doesn't
agree with it. I mean, there's like, I saw someone reacting to my favorite Slop Pegasus,
Pegaslop, literally doing that with Destiny defaming me. And he was actually in agreement
with Destiny's statement. And he has since then advanced that defamation. And imagine
if I sued Pegaslop for defamation, for not only posting the Destiny tweet defaming me,
But also on top of that, sued Pegaslop for agreeing with it.
What would the reaction be then?
Nobody perked up with Noah because Ian's got OG YouTube status?
Maybe that's what it is?
question does destiny have something on
Ethan because he's acting like Trump
towards Israel well? I mean he has
created an allegiance with destiny and
Dan Saltman for the last three years as
they have been a vehicle of harassment
for Ethan Klein's ordained enemies.
This community also manipulates Ethan
and leans into his paranoia. So I guess
that's kind of what it is. And also
So Dan Solman is a sponsor of Ethan Klein's podcast, one of the last remaining sponsors
that he actually has.
So perhaps that might be a part of the problem.
I think the very same attitude in this sphere against me is also the very same negative
attitude against me in the commentary sphere is also the very same reason why there is
this kind of allegiance between Destiny and Ethan, regardless of their back-and-forth
slander-operate.
Well, maybe Ethan wasn't really slandering Destiny, but you know what I mean.
I think that is the same attitude, you know?
They are united in their hatred of what I represent.
They also love Israel together, so that's cool for them I guess.
You know, I sincerely, you know what really fucking grinds my ears about this whole situation?
Even Ethan Klein is claiming others are doing to him.
He has done to myself and numerous others.
And I do actually have an active, like a real legal case against both Ethan and also all
these fucking orbiters that have been pursuing this ridiculous outrage manufacturing.
I have an actual fucking defamation suit that I could advance against numerous content creators.
of the reason why I don't do that is because I, you know, I'm my own principles on this stuff.
The other is because I think it's just like stupid who gives a shit.
But I know for a fact, like I've thought about doing it just to see how the very same people
who were actively supporting Ethan would react and even the the joking threat that I issued
against more Pegaslop, everybody that was in favor of Ethan doing this, then quickly turned
around and we're like oh son can't take any criticism can't take any
accountability they were saying it was defamation when it was Ethan but now
with me all of a sudden they're like well we we agree with Ethan we don't
agree with you turns out everyone is biased and there is no consistent
principle being held here ironically enough I'm the only fucking person who
this I'm the only person who's ironically consistent here with my principles
well yeah
I'm being sued in their relationship to the snark community
I don't know. I don't
All right, perfect. Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
We're in here.
Thank God.
Okay.
Okay.
Where are we going?
I have no idea.
Oh, that way, yes.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
Over here.
That's good.
Are you eating already?
Yeah.
I thought we were going to go and eat and I'm kidding, I just have food too, here you go.
How are you?
I'm good, a little tired.
Last day in New York.
Been running around quite a bit, what's going on up here?
Um, that's a little nice, but we should go up.
This one?
Yeah, but that one sounds like a party.
Claire's supposed to be here too, right?
She's already here.
Oh, she's already here? Damn, okay.
Okay.
Nice.
Wait, this is a joke, right?
You guys just have cool glasses laying around?
Those are all mine.
I keep looking around.
That's crazy.
It's just like, it's the DSA guarantee.
You have to have cool glasses, or they beat your ass.
I swear to God.
Yeah, all right, are we good to go in here?
Is this where we're doing it?
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi, Hassan.
Hassan.
Nice to meet you.
This is Mars.
This is the HQ.
Hell yeah.
Okay, we're live already.
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
What's good, James?
You are ready to go.
You're ready for tonight's festivities.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm going to take this off and you're going to give a microphone to...
festivities. Um, okay. Yeah, yeah. Well, you do that. I'm going to go pee. I'm going to take this off
and you're going to give a microphone to
I feel like that was a parent.
All right.
Here you go.
How are you?
I'm going to get out of the van.
I'm going to get some magnet.
I'm going to get out of the van.
Who?
I'm going to be real quick.
You guys are both still hot nights.
Oh.
Hello.
You can also flip that on.
It's just a little magic around the back.
Yeah, exactly.
It's a good thing.
Somewhat.
Yeah, for sure.
Thank you.
Do we have coasters?
I don't think so, I don't know.
Yeah, I can't even...
We have...
They're really...
Bought it for me.
Thank you.
It's like someone else.
I was like,
I will mess up my hand right now
for this Mexican food.
Thank you.
Yeah!
I'm gonna spit out my gum.
Ahem.
Are you still joking?
No, but...
Ahem.
It was really good.
I'm going to go outside.
I'm going to go outside.
you
Wait, oh wait, you're hiding your mouth.
You said something you weren't supposed to say, is that what happened?
Okay, alright, well you guys want to sit down while we do this or do you want to stand up?
I don't know.
For bundling?
For bundling?
What's that?
Yeah.
It depends on how competitive we get, I guess.
OK, so I don't even know what that means.
What is bundling?
So bundling is when you put the lit into bundles.
And bundles are certain amounts of lit
so that our campusers can go ahead and just take one.
OK.
You guys are putting me to work.
We are.
OK.
OK, I like that.
Okay, so we got some campaign merch here.
Some posters.
Yeah, some posters for Congress.
It says Free Palestine on one side.
And we're gonna be doing bundling.
Yes, so I think we're gonna have our field director
come in and explain this very technical process.
Okay, I like that.
All right.
One more mile.
We have one more mic for the field director.
David, that's fine.
But before we do that, all right.
So what are our goals here today?
You guys are doing what?
You're running for Congress?
That was going on?
Yeah, we're running for Congress.
Okay.
Today's the first day of early voting.
I know.
It's been exciting.
And election day is June 23rd, so.
You just did a Canvas thing with Zoran, right?
I did, I did.
Earlier.
And it almost felt like there was a dueling event
that took place earlier as well with your opponent.
He got some endorsements, I think.
I think he was an endorsing, but I don't think.
I'm not sure whether that will return.
Oh, I didn't even realize.
I mean, I'm not sure what the full story is, but I, yeah.
That's why I understand.
I feel like they're both of you guys
are such a powerful force that they're
busting out the big guns.
I mean, I think, listen, the Latino Victory Fund is
dumping boatloads of money into both of your races.
It's been pretty crazy.
Did you expect it to be like this,
or do you think it was going to be a little bit easier?
I think I was always expecting it to be pretty hard.
And especially in the last days, this is exactly what.
MyPona has a new secret pack that's spending $500 million
in this race.
It's new, so we don't know who the donors will be
until after the election.
It's completely dark money.
That's crazy.
Oh my god.
And well, one thing I will say about your opponent.
So you guys are both fighting against, in some ways,
the same exact political machine.
Yes, the Democratic Party's political machine.
But you're actually fighting two different types of Democrats
that I think are still very much nefarious
in different ways.
You're pretty straightforwardly going
after an establishment Democrat who is, you know,
reliably conservative, especially for the district's needs
who's-
That also was absent.
He was absent.
He was like, not correct.
And older as well, right?
And that's something that we've seen already.
But there is a lot of money and interest
back in candidates like that one.
So you have that issue for the most part.
And both of you are on the receiving end of, of course,
a lot of attack ads and numerous things like that.
Whereas your race is really interesting as well,
because you're not actually going up.
I get first of all, there's no incumbent.
There is an outbound incumbent who
has endorsed, like Hain selected, her replacement.
And your incumbent has also, at times,
been somewhat of a progressive force in New York politics.
You're talking about Nity of Alaska,
as for those of you who don't know.
And what's really interesting is your main opponent
in the race is somewhat of a progressive figure.
At least he's presenting himself as a progressive figure
and I think he is like, you know,
more progressive than I would say, Espioniatis, right?
I know.
However, some of the things that I found out about him
that I found very interesting is, I mean,
He went to Israel in 2014 with Richie Torres.
Now, he's a New York politician, so he's a congressperson.
Maybe we'll continue to be a congressperson.
Who knows?
But he's one of my ops, because he is very, very pro-Israel.
He hasn't been as pro-Israel as of late,
which has been interesting, because he's
spent a good deal of time in the last couple of years
talking about Israel a lot more than talked about.
And then he stopped talking about Israel like six months ago, which was strange.
I don't know what happened there, but the fact that your opponent had traveled to Israel in 2014
and was awfully quiet about it until recently, until this election came around, is a different type of hurdle, I think,
for the left-flank insurgency candidates to deal with.
I have some experience now with the Michigan Senate race.
Abdul Al Sayed is my guy.
He's endorsed by Bergen Sanders, love him.
And he's dealing with both of these different forces.
If that makes sense, we're on the one hand,
he has the straight establishment, very conservative,
very pro-Israel Democrat who just got openly endorsed
by Chuck Schumer.
Her name is Hailey Stevens.
And then he's also competing against Mallory McMorrow,
who is the more, I don't want to say Warrenite,
but the more progressive, but not as progressive,
like the more malleable party-approved progressive force.
progressive force and he's defeating both of them currently but it's been
interesting to watch these two different these races where on the one hand you
have an Establishment and you have a more progressive one that's still very
much party endorsed. What are the different what are the different issues
that you've seen in these races for like what do you think is different with
in your individual race.
Yeah.
Do you want to go over it?
I mean, we've talked about individual in Palestine.
I think that's one of the big, big differences here.
And as far as I can tell, my opponent
didn't even call for a ceasefire until he
launches Congressional campaign.
I think that at a moment when students, workers,
immigrants were putting everything
they had on the line, were risking their housing
and their visas, and their jobs to call out this genocide,
to organize against it, to protest against it.
It's just unacceptable that someone
would sit on the sidelines during that.
And so that's, I think, one of the really big distinctions
in this race we're looking for.
And this is the commie corridor.
We are in New York 7.
It's a super progressive district.
Back in the room, I'm done by like 40 points
in the primary last year.
We just we deserve someone who's
going to speak with real moral clarity on these issues
be out in front, you know, not like, wait to see where the political winds blow.
Yeah, you know, I think for mine it is a really stark contrast between the politics of the past and the politics of the present.
We have someone who has been in political office for 30 years and has been in Congress for nine, right?
This is his fifth term. And things in our district simply haven't gotten better for anybody, right?
The rent's going up, the small businesses are closing down.
Hundreds of thousands of new workers, black and brown,
are leaving the city altogether, right?
And this is a district that is, you know,
the heart of black America in Harlem, right?
It's Washington Heights, which is Littleton-Gilmingo, right?
Dominican communities, black American communities, leaving.
Just leaving the district, right?
Because they can't afford to stay.
And in the time that Esperanto has been in office,
office rather than addressing those issues, he has been voting to send more arms to Israel.
He's been voting to send more money to its ICE.
He's been voting to do, for all of these things that actually hurt our communities, right?
And he's doing that because he takes money from the special interests that want him to
vote that way, right?
So it's the $7 billion to ICE because he's taking $115,000 from ICE contractors.
It's the arms to Israel because he's taken $670,000 from AIPAC.
It's the real estate issue that continues to plague us because he's taking a quarter
of a million dollars from real estate lobbies.
And so I think we have this situation of town where these machine politics that people on
the ground who are affected by the political choices that he makes day to day, we know
what the reality is and how it is that he is not serving us, but it seemed that
establishment politics had largely abandoned us and left us with somebody
who did not bother to show up for us. And so I think what we're up against
isn't just, you know, him as the incumbent, but an establishment mindset where you
have these larger forces, whether it's other established Democrats or
establishment Democrats who are coming in and saying, oh, we're gonna protect
that these folks who already have a seat at the table rather than thinking about
well how do we actually deliver for the people who live in this district?
Something that I've seen as a similarity between both of your races, actually,
is I watch both of your debates, first of all, spectacular performance for both of you.
One of the things that I've seen in both my personal experience and in your race in particular is that
Whenever there is anyone in a democratic primary that is ostensibly to the left of whoever is running for that seat,
it's always a race to show your leftist bona fides.
And that's, it's been really funny hearing your opponent also engage in this.
I mean, obviously, Rinoza's done this and Espaida is doing this as well.
One of the things that I found very interesting is like as soon as there is a challenger that
is making waves, as you guys both have, everybody tries to be the most woke.
And yet there is that inconsistency with the track record of your opponent, Esplayat.
And I think he addressed it very well when he talked about $7 billion of funding for
ICE that he had signed off on, while he was simultaneously talking about how he wants
to now abolish ICE.
We only started saying that months after we challenged him,
right?
And I feel like in your race, it's with Renoso,
it's the, I'm saying that right, right?
Okay, it's the notion of just like being quiet about Israel
and then all of a sudden talking about,
talking as though he has always been there.
What do you guys think that says about how responsive your opponents will be to the needs of the voters?
And what do you think that says about whether or not they have moral courage or moral conviction when clearly both of you have that?
I mean, I think it says they don't, right?
The fact that not only did Escalade not sign on to very simple bills, right?
He's now getting called out on it in debates.
There's now two bills where I've called him out on them in debates and the same day I've
called him out on it, he then signs on, right?
So the Tenant Rights Organized Act, I called him out on not having signed on to that during
our debate with Brian Lair.
And then by the end of the day, surprise, surprise, he had signed on, right?
Same was true after our discussion on PIX 11, where I called him out on not having
signed on to melt ice.
And I'm not sure whether he's actually done it, but I know that on the segment, he said
that he would do it, right?
And so this is kind of like clear as day, he would not have signed on had he not had
at his feet to the fire and pressured on these issues.
That matters so much to everyone in our community.
And I just think that it's so disappointing,
but it's also really, like, I suffer
from secondhand embarrassment from it,
because it's like, why did it take having to be challenged
for you to sign on some of the most basic bills
that a progressive should sign on to?
And it shouldn't get to that, right?
I mean, obviously, like the whole point of trying to put
Fighters like both of you guys in the Congress
is that it shouldn't get to that level of pressure
where your seat every two years is now under threat
by a left flank, a candidate that's further to the left,
than you are for you to finally act out on this.
You should be more responsive to the desires
and the needs of your constituency.
And that should cause you to act out.
or you should have some moral conviction.
Yeah, yeah.
I feel like in both of our races,
what people are looking for is someone
where you don't have to guess where they're
going to be on something.
You are going to know that they have
both moral courage and the consistency of their politics
to follow through on things where you don't have to call them
out on shit like this, that you know
that they're going to be on the right side of this fight
for immigrant rights and protections, abolishing ICE.
You mean the right side of standing up for human rights
and humanity in Ridgwood or Rafa, you know?
I think that that's what people are really looking for right now.
We don't want to see foot-flopping or, you know,
progressiveness except for Palestine.
Like, we want to see consistency for our politicians right now.
And a presence.
I think it's also, like, he would have a pulse
on what his constituents want if he were there, right?
If he were actually engaging with their needs.
And the fact that he's not is what keeps him out of touch, right?
Is what keeps him feeling like he's always playing catch up.
And I think far too often, we have this idea
that government should just be, we send a person
over to this big building with a big smoke screen
and just trust that whatever they're doing
is hopefully in our best interest, right?
But government and democracy in particular
should be about people participating in it every single day.
you should be able to know what your representative is
fighting for when and how, right?
And what part you can play in fighting for those goals, right?
And I think, you know, as organizers,
that's a lot of the work that we've
been doing for a really long time.
And something that they, as we had in particular,
is just not familiar with doing.
Yeah.
There's also the other funny thing
that I saw with Reynoso, who actually
criticized his potential constituents when he was attacking you, saying that
Ridgwood was all a bunch of gentrifiers. This is the narrative that I'm hearing a
lot from the establishment Democrat-backed candidates, the idea that you
guys are representing gentrifiers. Now I think this is the evolution of the
Bernie Bros talking point, because initially it was like, oh these are all
white misogynists who are attacking Hillary Clinton because they're white
and misogynistic and they can't really make that argument against either of
you. So the argument has evolved into oh well these are outsiders. What do you have
to say to that? I mean so yeah my opponent kind of you know made this big
deal about like I'm only trying to talk to rich people and gentrifiers in
neighborhoods like Ridgewood and Williamsburg and Greenpoint.
And what I have to say to that is, you know, like,
it's true this district has been shaped by development
and gentrification and rising rents.
It's a very expensive district to live in.
And that's exactly why I'm not taking a dime
from the real estate developers
that have been pushing us out for so long.
It's why I'm fighting for tenants rights.
It's why I'm fighting to make sure that people can live
in these neighborhoods that they call home.
And it is a kind of politics of divide and conquer.
And it's not something that I want to see in my district.
I just want to make sure that this is a district that welcomes the people who want to come
here and put down roots and build their families and have lives.
Everyone deserves real stability and dignity.
And that goes for people who are born here and people who are just coming here for the
first time to enjoy our really wonderful neighborhoods.
But for me, the story of this district really is, rints are rising and they're rising because
we have ceded so much power to the real estate developers,
to REBNI, to private landlords,
and to the politicians who gladly accept their donations
like my opponent.
You know, I think in my race,
it's very rich to hear that coming from us by up,
when he's the one who's been in power
in some capacity for 30 years, right?
Whether that was in the state assembly,
states in Congress, right?
and to complain about the changing demographics of your district when you are the one who holds
the power to effect that kind of change is proving my point that he has not provided
effective leadership.
And it's just like maddening to me to think that.
I didn't realize that I was a nimby.
But also it's just to me it's crazy to complain about the very thing that you have allowed
under your leadership.
And then to accuse me, someone who
has been living and organizing in the district
for over 14 years, who has felt the impact of the rising rents,
that he's talking about so many of the constituents
who live in this district and talking as though we're not
part of this district.
And then pretending that New Yorkers like Malcolm X
aren't New Yorkers.
Because what he's saying is that you come here later in life,
that you're not a New Yorker.
So what does that say about people like Michael Maxx,
like Ella Baker, people who were born in other states,
but came to New York and have very deep roots in New York?
Also, it's the most New York thing to either not be
originally from New York, or not even be originally from
the United States of America, and then make a life here.
Oh, they are sounding like Stephen Miller, you know,
when it's like, literally Frank Sinatra's whole song
is about packing his bags and coming to New York,
like that is the theme song in New York City.
principally anti-New York to say that yeah
And I'll say like a lot of people have been turned off by that nativism too. They don't they don't like to see it
Yeah, because that's not like the whole opposition to Donald Trump from this city, which by the way
I will tell you as someone who's not in the city all the time
Even though I find myself here more frequently than I ever thought I would be
Everything is really bad outside
Outside of New York, it's on fire all the time.
You guys probably don't see it because it feels like it's a totally alternative universe here.
But to your point, you're telling people who are looking for access to abortion,
people who are fleeing these trans bills that are terrorizing kids and families, right?
Fleeing all of this, like, you know, we're in an era where that V.I. is being gutted, right?
Where people are losing their civil liberties left and right.
And one of the few places in the country where people can still have that is in New York.
Yeah.
And then you have rhetoric like that's saying stay out.
Yeah, now it's ridiculous.
It's also the whole point of the opposition to Donald Trump when New Yorkers say this is not New York
when you're sickening ICE agents on our immigrant neighbors like those are our neighbors.
They make up, they play a fundamental role in what makes New York one of the best cities
on the planet.
Yeah.
The last thing I'll say to that, you know, what is really ridiculous is when you think
about the fact that it's not just that you're losing people, you're also losing entire cultures,
right, when people are pushed out of this city.
Yeah.
Like, we have had over 200,000 black New Yorkers flee this, or leave this city in the last two
decades, right?
number of Latino New Yorkers in uptown and in the Bronx has also significantly gone down and
When we talk about the changing demographics of the city
We're also talking about the loss of the vibrancy of the city the thing that makes it what it is right the the fact that we
Can joke like oh your Bangladesh in Dominican. How does that happen New York?
Right like those are the
Like having a chopped or a chipotle in every one
Chipotle's been gentrified
It's like a chopped in every corner or a cava.
It's like, yeah.
I'm confused.
Yeah, no, it's, that is what's happening.
That's what's happening right now.
And you're, these are very powerful people
that are coming after, these are very powerful corporations
that are coming after both of you guys.
So donate to the link in the chat
because they don't have corporate PAC funding
and they don't have an unlimited money cannon
that is deployed to defend them every time they foolishly
choose to come on the Masanami broadcast.
Chat, please.
Chat, dig deep.
What?
It is pinned at the chat.
OK, yeah, it's both pinned, and the mods are spamming it,
so go ahead and donate to them.
Because that's one of the only routes to a fundraise
for candidates that will be responsive to the needs
of the masses.
Unfortunately, because consolidated interest
and consolidated wealth has a much easier route to fund raise.
They just go to these big donors.
They go to these fancy dinners.
They sit there.
Instead of having face time with their constituents,
they have face time with the only constituents that matter,
big corporations.
And they have far, far larger sums of money they can dump.
Anyway, speaking of putting people to work.
What is bundling?
I'm talking about stacking paper.
Yeah, what is bundling?
Oh, bro.
What is bundling?
Welcome to HQ, everyone.
You're at the volunteer office, so we're going to volunteer.
Yeah, we're going to come around.
Yeah.
You have an extra extra mic?
They're putting my ass to work, Chad.
You're in the campaign office.
Oh, damn.
You've got to get to work.
All right.
Money is important because it helps us get out in the field and actually talk to voters.
And we're at campaign HQ today and what we have every single day.
Who are you?
Oh, who am I?
My name is Sanjana.
I'm Claire's field director.
We are prepping for all things, get out the vote right now.
Early voting started today.
It goes through June 21st.
We are out in full force in the field right now,
which is why the office is a little bit empty today.
We have volunteers here every single day doing things
like bundling, making folders, putting together buttons,
getting things ready for the doors and canvassing.
And so today with an empty office,
We think you guys will be our best volunteers,
and we're going to ask you to bundle a little bit.
So these are our door hangers.
We have door hangers.
We have Clare door hangers.
And we do stacks of 80 door hangers.
That is because each turf or each walk
list that one of our volunteers walks is about 80 doors.
So we want to make sure that every single person
that they get in touch with, whether they're
talking to them face to face, or we're
leaving something at their door, gets a piece of information
about the candidate and about this race.
So we put together stacks of 80.
We're going to have you guys do a little bit of a competition.
I think I'm going to set a two-minute timer
and see who can get through the most stacks of 80.
We have a reference bundle right here.
And I think we have two super bundlers here ready to get to it.
And we'll see if Son can keep up.
Which campaigns have you guys done this for already?
Oh, man.
Well, our team, our volunteers, does most of it.
But I support it on ours.
And then also, it was the wrongs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're bundled for Julius Alzar, Sammy Mead Bolivaris.
Maybe Mike Hollins for it, though.
I'm about to get cooked, because it's crazy.
You're naming so many names.
OK, well, the reason why I brought that up
is because some that they mentioned
at the New York City DSA Slate rally as well
is that these are candidates that didn't come out of nowhere.
They are a part of this movement.
And they worked for other candidates in the past as well
that have run and won their races.
So, I mean, I think it's a little corny,
whatever they say, the next Zoran race.
Like, come join the campaign.
So maybe, and then maybe you'll be the next Zoran race.
You would like kind of, you know.
Crazy things have happened.
Exactly.
So just remind us of that.
Also, you know, what do I always say?
Be normal, touch grass.
This is the best grass-touching opportunity.
You literally force yourself to be outside,
even if you're scared to go outside.
Now you have a mission when you are outside,
and that'll probably make it easier.
Because I personally, I hate running,
but I love playing basketball,
because at least I'm running for something in that situation.
I can't do jogging.
Anyway, that was a random beside that nobody cares about.
But it's true.
But it's true.
Volunteers want, you know, a space to hang out and meet new people and be in community and get to do something that, you know,
matters and that they're connected with other people and giving to something they care about and you get to see that in the office.
Yeah, it's like a side quest.
There's gamers in this audience.
Gamers. It's a side quest. Come bundle. And also they're usually unified anyway.
That's true. You can do a bundling Olympics. You can do a lot of different things. Speaking of which,
We're gonna have a little competition. We've got a reference stack of 80 here in the middle
We do stacks of 80. We're gonna give all of you piles of lit to get started with and then I'm gonna set
How do we feel about a two-minute timer?
Two minutes.
Two minutes on the mat?
Do you want to do each other's?
Yeah, we should train.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yay.
Ta-da, ta-da.
I look a little ghostly.
The printing is a little rough.
You know, every now and then, so I'm like, why are these like shiny and why are these like that?
But you know, whatever, these are great.
Cool.
Everyone has a different approach to bundling.
Some people like to keep the reference stack
and stack something next to it and see if it matches up.
Some people like to count one by one.
Some people are more efficient than others.
People count one by one?
So are we doing this as you get to a certain number of bundles?
Or how many bundles can you do in a certain number?
I think we do two minutes on the clock.
Whoever gets the most bundles is the winner.
Got it.
OK.
Okay, you're setting the timer up.
We're setting the timer up.
I'm trying to one-shot it.
Two minutes on the clock.
That, sure.
Let's see if it works.
Alright, two minutes starting.
No.
So we place it right next to it.
Yeah, like that.
I'm also going to hand everyone the rubber bands,
because you want to band the bundle after you stack it.
Oh, I ruined your bands. I'm going to sabotage your bundle.
Oh my god, they're pumping. This is madness.
I'm seeing one, I'm seeing two, I'm seeing three.
Wait, I need more clear.
I'm not very good at this.
Can you help me with more clear?
Yeah, Dari's on stack number five.
How was that possible?
Slow down.
Dari's doing a little fortism here.
She's like stacking a personal band.
All right, one minute left.
One minute left.
Nice technique.
Wait, some of these are backwards.
No, I will band.
I just...
I have to say, we can flip them around too.
I also have to travel farther.
It's so far.
So I get my lit.
I'll put you more.
Thank you.
All right.
I am.
I have to hold on a bit.
I'm seeing.
Don't clean piles right here five clean piles over there. Okay, okay a little I'm at three which is fine
It's I would call that too
I'm trying my best and I don't even some of them are not even balanced. Oh God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Oh
No, that's okay. There's a third place
I will say that
All right, and that's time.
I'm seeing some stunning bundles over there.
Yeah, yeah. Well, there's no rubber band on that one.
Well, 3.5.
Oh, I missed. I missed one rubber band. It's okay.
All right, we have the bundles up. Perfect.
I think we have two winners.
They won't be there.
Wait, did you guys get the same amount?
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
That might have been a little fatter.
That's fine.
Perfectly aligned, even stacks,
bands in the middle,
ready to hit the doors.
They're looking good.
These we can re-bundle.
We can re-bundle?
No, this is...
I got three honest ones in here.
I got three honest ones in here.
Wow.
I feel so accomplished.
You too can feel this accomplished if you join, if you volunteer, if you sign up, or
volunteer for the campaigns.
There's also a new tool that DSA, I will ask for more money.
There's also a new tool that DSA put out.
Wait, was this where?
Oh, fuck, it's too big.
God damn it.
What does it matter if it's like 82 or 83 or it has to be 80?
We can work with 82 or 83, but I'm seeing some in there that are looking like 55.
Oh man, those get re-bundled.
This was a volunteer that went out, ran out.
And then wasn't able to get lit to the doors.
Couldn't finish the job, probably came back feeling really sad.
I'm sorry to the volunteer.
I failed you, but yeah, I was going to say, there's also, yeah, there's a poll site locator
for DSA candidates in between, what is this?
Oh, dsa.New York City slash vote.
If you go to dsa.New York City NYC, dsa.NYC slash vote, it's like a website that they
the design that has its own you know your polling location on it right if you
put down where you're at it shows your close polling location it shows you
who your candidates are and it has like a voter guide on it on top of everything
else it's very good very sweet it's very cool yeah give you directions to the
poll site it's like very complete you can share share your sleep that you're
voting for you can send it to your friends is doing that all day today
It's very fun. My friends love being texted. This again, it's very cool. Check it out.
You're gonna hear from us on it for 10 days straight because we got 10 days till 23rd.
So, let's wait. How are, is there any info on how many people have gone on
voted in an early voting in or not yet? Well, no, I guess either. The polling is still open today.
Yeah, either. So when they close, we'll get counts. Do they do exit polling on the early
voting days as well at the end of the day right now. We'll get numbers it'll say
like burrow by burrow. Yeah and how many folks turned out. Okay yeah that's cool
all right and I was I was reading into I was reading some analysts saying that
the the the DSA likely DSA voters are are more prominent in the early voting as
opposed to same-day voting or is it the opposite? You guys know? I mean at least
Race in New York 13, like the race is one on election day, so I think high turnout and
early loading is a good sign.
It means that we're having high turnout in general.
And you know, I was at the polls today, doing some poll site visibility, and energy was really
good on the ground, so I'm really excited.
And I always encourage folks to vote early when they can, just because like the lines
are shorter, and you know, it's just, you get the hype throughout, right?
Yeah, yeah.
I also never know what's going to happen on election day.
Something could happen.
Just do it as soon as you can.
Yeah.
Could be a really hot day.
Could be raining thunderstorms.
You never know.
You might be chit-chinned into the stream.
Let's forget.
Never, never.
We can't have them.
But regardless, if you get in line before the poll closes,
you have to write it out.
All right, what else do we got?
Oh, we're looking at me.
I don't know what we got.
I think you actually need to be like, oh, snacks.
So we have like random snacks.
We can eat it.
Yeah.
Random snacks?
Yeah, we can sample about your snacks.
Oh, wow.
OK, I like that.
This is fun.
What is this Sigma Grimeset pose for me?
What the hell is that?
Work hard.
Focus more.
This sounds like a lot of demands.
This is like this.
Like you disagree with that?
Exactly.
This is like Andrew Tate posts.
Oh, the cum rejection.
Sometimes you're a little low.
Sometimes you have to eliminate doubt.
Exactly.
Sometimes you've got to dream big.
Work hard.
Focus more.
Keep grinding.
Dream big.
Eliminate doubt.
Never quit.
Stay hungry.
Overcome rejection.
No excuses.
Set goals.
Fear less.
Hustle always.
Be humble.
Take risks.
We have to live different activities.
You're the cause of the volunteer.
They're causing the volunteer.
OK.
Oh, god.
The life of a volunteer on the campaign.
And I will set them on my phone. We'll do one line.
Yeah, that sounds great.
Okay, you go first.
Yeah, sounds good.
Another activity we do in the office is ball recruit calls.
And they're actually really, really important during this period of the race
because we're calling supporters, we're calling volunteers
and we're asking them to turn out canvas, knock on doors, phone bank, join us.
We need every single person out knocking on doors, making phone calls,
contacting voters, and so volunteer recruit calls are amazing because we're
calling people that we know are excited about the campaign and may be willing to
join us at the doors. So we have special phone banks set up for those and we can
make some calls. I'm gonna get the first one started here.
They're flavored peas.
Yeah.
Alright.
I got a phone call already.
I'll be right back.
And we're asking them to join us to Canada.
Okay, don't show that to the camera, obviously.
It's through a tool.
Oh.
So it doesn't even have their phone numbers.
Wait, I thought we were going to do it first.
No, you first.
Okay.
Hey, what's going on, man?
I'm calling for Claire Valdez's campaign.
What's your name?
I'm Hassan Piker.
Yeah, wait why why did you respond like that?
Okay, well you're also on live stream right now, so don't say anything incriminating
Anyway, but no, this is a real call for um the clever about this campaign and
Do you do you like Claire? Do you what do you think about?
So you're you're well, I wanted to get started
This is why I said you should do it first.
Okay, so this is my day.
What should I say?
Hold on one second.
Hi there.
Election day is in a couple of days and we need as many volunteers as we can to help
us knock on doors.
Any chance you'd be interested in joining us at a canvas?
Absolutely.
I'm all in.
That's great.
Damn.
Nailed it.
Okay, that's it.
You can ask them what neighborhood you can canvas in.
What neighborhood can you canvas in?
I mean, I can go anywhere but I live in Greenpoint, which is at the heart of the Commie Corridor,
but it's not anywhere.
Hell yeah, Greenpoint's in the heart of the Commie Corridor, so we're going to send our volunteer to Greenpoint.
Okay, all right, perfect. Do I hit hang up now?
You say thank you.
Thank you so much. Thank you so much for your support.
And then...
Thank you for doing this for us. Let's go.
All right, hell yeah.
Hell yeah, perfect. And then we can sign them up right in there.
I'm going to say, you know that, so it's really great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think there are times that happen.
This is Natalie, OK?
OK.
Do you want to pass this?
You're going to say?
Yeah.
I'm going to say, hi, Natalie.
I'm calling from the Dari...
Hi, Ann.
What's your name?
Oh, shit.
Please take my name first.
You're right.
I'm going to say, hi, Natalie.
I'm a son piker.
You probably have never heard of me, but I'm a volunteer for the Dari-Alyza campaign.
You're a fan.
I wanted to see if we could count on your support
to go out and doorknock for Daria Lisa,
because election day's coming up.
That was perfect.
Wow, you heard it, we get better.
Here.
OK.
Oh.
You want to show the back of the phone?
I mean, there's a sticker on it.
Nice.
Mm-hmm.
Hello?
Hi, is this Natalie?
Yes.
Hi, this is Sam Piker.
I'm calling from the Daria Lisa campaign,
and I was wondering if we could count on your support
to go out and doorknock for Daria.
Lisa, as the election is coming up.
I'm actually volunteering for this tomorrow.
Damn!
That's good, that's awesome.
I'm sorry, I just, I got really excited.
I'm super stoked.
And it seems like you are too.
To the polls, yeah.
Everyone needs to come to the polls.
That's why I spent it today, it was crazy.
We saw it.
Sorry guys, it's also here.
Yeah, darling, this is also here.
Okay, cool.
Well, thank you.
Thank you for your support.
Yeah, of course.
And we'll see you out there.
Bye.
Cool, I'm gonna say it.
Okay, that was so easy.
What the hell?
Am I go to this?
Done and done.
Volunteer recruit girls get easier after you do them a couple of times.
Just keep going.
Okay.
You ready?
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah, you broke the man's knee.
It's like he's gone.
So much pressure.
This is crazy.
Wow, this one's better also if you're success.
If you record your game and wait for the call,
you'll be in for a crowd vote.
All in one second.
Yeah, we can do another one.
This is so stressful.
But it's not.
It's actually a lot of fun.
It's like a game.
It's like a video game.
Is this on triggering too?
Oh, okay.
Because I can't handle it anymore, oh my god.
Hello?
Please leave your message.
That is also triggering too.
Yeah, I know.
I'm still like, hi, if you record your name and reason to call it, I'll see if this person is available.
For me, it always puts you as my name.
Hello.
Hi, is this Sarah? This is Sam Piker calling for Daria Liza's campaign.
Hello.
Hi, I was wondering if we could count on your support to go out and doorknock for Daria Liza's, the election is coming up soon.
Yes, yes, you absolutely can.
Oh, hell yeah. All right. Thank you so much. Oh, when do I ask when? Sorry, I'm
I'm new to this. I'm a movie.
We're making a mistake.
I'm getting called out. Okay, when can we count on your support?
And count on my support tomorrow between 9 a.m. and 11 a.m. in England.
Write that down. Write that down.
Okay. All right. Thank you so much. We're going to text you the link. Thank you, Sarah.
You're welcome. Thank you, Miss Onnes.
All right. Bye. Easy.
There's nothing new. You guys see this? It's like something new.
You notice how smooth that's going?
Yeah, this is more telecommunication than I've done in like the last three months at this point.
Millennials gotta get back on the phones.
I know. I never, I stay away. I text, when journalists are like, oh we need to do an interview,
I'm like, let's just text. What are your quotes?
Austin. Oh my god, we should have brought Austin. If I knew we were going to do folk,
Well, he would have.
He can sell them.
Yeah.
This is his shit.
My podcast's called Austin.
He's the gay one.
And he has nothing to do with them being gay,
but he loves phone conversations.
And he doesn't even have a job.
So I don't know.
His only job is just sitting on fucking podcasts with me
for like two hours a week.
And yet, you would think he's constantly doing big business
because he does like 45 minute phone covers all the time and nobody knows who's calling.
We've got another call for you.
Ready to ring in.
It's for Claire.
Alright.
Hello?
Hi, Josh, this is Son Piper.
I'm calling from Claire's campaign.
Wait, why are you laughing?
I just think that's crazy, hey man.
Hey, what's going on?
I'm coming back from the Queens Night Market right now.
What's going on with you?
Oh, cool, cool.
Well, we're just chilling.
We're just live streaming and stuff.
You know, how about them nicks, right?
Yeah, maybe some nicks, nicks and five.
Hell yeah.
Well, nicks and five, but also election in 10.
Election in four, right?
Election in 10.
And Claire in seven.
Absolutely.
And I was wondering if we could count on your support
to go door knocking for Claire.
Of course, brother.
What do you think I'm doing next week?
I'm staging captain for Sunnyside Queens for Glare.
I'll fork it out the boat shifts.
I'll be in Ridgewood tomorrow for the big rally.
And yeah, I'll be hitting the doors when I'm not working this week.
So 100% bro.
All right, Hellia.
Thank you so much for your support, Josh.
We'll see you out there.
Thank you for doing this call, Voss.
I really appreciate it.
All right.
Thank you.
No, seriously, man.
Thank you for putting your own movement behind our movement
and working together with us.
It's our movement, comrade.
That's right, brother.
That's right, comrade.
All right.
All right, thank you, brother.
All right, bye.
Yeah, I'll see you out there.
All right, bye.
OK, well, OK, these are all people who are already doing it.
We're calling our volunteer list,
but sometimes volunteers volunteer once or twice.
Give me a tough one.
Give me a volunteer that's like, on the fence.
Let's see if I can.
A real dad?
A real dad.
Wait, that's crazy.
Actually, that would be a great.
I would be a great volunteer.
But you're not doing it.
No, that's what I'm saying. You would be a great volunteer.
No, I'm just scared to call her that.
If he's anything like you, I am terrified of having any conversations with him.
How about, okay, I would think it's somewhat difficult.
No, I would think it's somewhat difficult.
Not that difficult.
Not that difficult.
I mean, if they're volunteering already, right?
So, yeah, this is not like, you know, we're calling new people to come out and volunteer.
Sometimes we do, right?
Sometimes there's that kind of recruitment call,
but sometimes it's like folks who've already come out
once or twice and we try and-
Kind of feels like you guys are not trusting me enough
to do that kind of-
Oh, you want to do the new person?
Hey!
You should call my dad!
If you want to make phone calls that are a little bit harder,
you can join us on a phone bank on Sundays
and Wednesdays and Thursdays,
and going into the final four days of GOTV,
9 a.m. to 9 p.m. Eastern.
Tomorrow evening, we're doing a phone bank with Chris Rad,
which we're really excited about.
And those are phone banks where we call voters directly.
So these are volunteer recruit phone banks
or we're calling our volunteers and asking them to come out
and do more shifts and knock more doors.
But we also make direct voter contact phone calls
where we are talking to voters, making persuasion calls,
asking them to vote, asking them where they stand
on a scale of one to five.
And that's a different spiel, right?
Yeah.
So give us the, what would you,
how would you train me to do a phone call?
a tough one. Yeah, I mean we have a couple of different lists when we're making phone
calls like that but every single one of our phone banks and all of our phone banks start
with a training at the top of every single phone bank. So we spend about 20 minutes walking
through the script, what kind of dialery you're looking at, sometimes it's Spanish, sometimes
it's English, sometimes you're making what are called persuasion calls so you're talking
to voters who are definitely undecided, sometimes you're just talking to a long list of voters
who haven't been contacted yet and so it's the first point of contact is even understanding
on a scale of one to five where they support the candidate.
And so we walk through all of that on the training.
We show you the tool that we use,
which is an automatic dialer,
so it makes all the dials for you,
so it's even easier than this.
And then we get people connected on the dialer
and it makes a ton of automated phone calls.
We have scripts, we have resources, FAQs.
And then you just jump on the dialer
and start talking to voters.
It's like canvassing, but you don't have to do it from New York
and you can do it from the comfort of your home.
So if you're outside of New York
and you want to support these races,
it's a really, really helpful way
to actually make contact with voters.
Or even if you are inside New York
and you just can't be out in the heat all day
if you have political reasons or cause you have kids
or whatever the case might be, you can also panic.
So my chat is demanding that you come like that.
Your chat.
My chat.
Okay.
Should we check this chat and see?
Should we come?
No, they love that.
They, the moment that I said that this would be
a difficult conversation, they were probably on board.
they want to see me humiliated. Okay? Yeah, yeah, I'm down. I'm down to do it.
What if he sends you the voicemail?
What do you usually call my name?
I don't know what I'm going on with.
Hello.
Hello, William.
This is Sasan Piker, a voice that you might be unfamiliar with
from a phone number that's calling you that you are familiar with.
I'm calling on behalf of the Daria Lisa campaign.
How are you doing?
I'm doing all right, yourself?
Yeah, I'm doing great.
Even better now that I'm having this call with you.
So, I heard that you were out volunteering today and I was wondering if you enjoyed that
experience and if you'd like to do it again.
I signed up for tomorrow, but...
Wow, that's awesome.
Can we count on your support in the upcoming days since the election is coming up?
Send me, what would be the dates?
Because I got to do some housing work with tenants, so.
Okay, well your daughter is sitting across from me and keep saying that I should ask
for you to volunteer every single day.
Is that something that you could possibly do?
I didn't get involved.
I thought that would be difficult.
I could do it two or three days in a week.
Okay, that's perfect.
Perfect.
Tell her that the people from Fr. Andrew, that they would like to have a meeting with
Dan Alisa, June Gorser.
Okay, great.
We even got additional endorsements out of this.
Thank you.
Thank you, William, so much.
And we'll see.
In a meeting, they will not do it.
There is no meeting.
Okay.
Okay.
No, that's, that's, yeah, your daughter's going to follow up.
All right, okay, all right. Thank you so much
No, that's that's okay, we'll take whatever we can get thank you. Thank you so much
All right, bye, okay, he was so much nicer than you
He's a much kinder he's a much kinder person than you in general in general yes
Anyway
Yeah, like I said already, these are Grassler's Funded Campaigns.
So go out and donate chat.
I want to see you open up those wallets and donate to both of these candidates.
The link is already up there, pinned in the chat, but then the mods will spam it as well.
So remember that.
Okay, I mean, I got the bug.
I smile and dial all day.
It reminded me of my cold calling days when I used to do ad sales.
What I'm hearing is we're a phone bank called Smile and Dial with Hasan in the coming days.
Okay, I don't know, but I don't know if I can go that far, but we'll see.
Calls are fun, especially at this point in the race, you're getting people out.
And the energy gets really exciting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like if you go out today at the pool sites, like it was really, it was so much fun to just look.
But there are grandmas who are just coming up to kiss me.
I was like, thank you.
And it just felt so good to be all.
And the same is true of both the phones, right?
So if you can't go outside because of whatever reason,
definitely pick a phone.
So my assumption always is that you guys
have the young voters locked down in general.
But you're saying that the olds are also on board?
We have so many grandmas on board.
It's been really exciting.
So they're just like, yeah.
If somebody grab us something on to you, the uncles, yeah, they'd really be coming out for us.
Okay, that's cool. What about yourself?
Same. A lot of people who supported me in my assembly race, whenever that was.
Also, yeah, still a ride or die. I'm really excited to see me out here.
Hell yeah.
I think it's snack time.
Alright, let's try these snacks.
After that though, we do have to cook first. We have to go to Brooklyn Pride.
Yeah, yeah. No, I know.
Anyone's welcome to join us, if you're on heart to bust.
Do you have a few snacks for us, John?
How do you feel about the clears?
I will this Pride Month, so I've, it's a truce.
Normally, I'm an LGBT foe, as I say,
but since the extended Pride Month,
I'm the great...
So snacks.
I'm no longer an enemy.
Okay, that's a joke, by the way.
You guys have to freak out with it, obviously.
This is every burger chocolatey cookies naturally and artificially flavor what I don't know why but something about
The fact that it is what is supposed to be a salt to food
Chocolate is kind of I don't know. Yeah
I mean, it's probably just gonna be chocolate. No
This is enlarged the show detail. Okay. All right, so what kind of snack is this?
do you know who got snacks I know but like what I want to give like background
I think they all came from a Japanese market okay it's chocolatey filling with
cookie buns it's fun and tasty mini burger shaped cookies okay smells very
chocolatey. They have little like fake sesame seeds in the buns. I've got two
stuff in here. Cheers. Cheers. There's chocolate in like a wafer. Mm-hmm. That's
actually not bad at all. There's like fake cheese in there too. That's cheap. There's
a little slice of something in there. Oh! There's a white chocolate. Yeah. The white
How much are you supposed to stand for the cheese?
Okay.
I like that.
The dollars are good.
I mean, we got,
wasabi flavored teasers you've had many times.
You went for that first.
What was that decision?
Not like wasabi.
I didn't realize the can would be so obnoxious open
in the middle of the stream.
So my apologies, chef, my god.
That's crazy.
You're following me on the black.
Jesus.
Okay, what else do we got?
Flour, just kidding.
We're going to taste it, right?
Flour, yeah.
Oh.
What flavor did milk give you?
Partially normally.
A milk flavor?
Okay.
This is a-
You're going to say what kind of flour each of them are?
I'm going to just go by the picture.
It looks like a lily.
Okay, it tastes like peach or maybe it's plum.
Are they all plum?
Okay, I like this.
Yeah, so you said peach to me.
Yeah, donate chat if you want me to keep trying these snacks.
Do you want to try some pancakes?
I feel like there's a little kind of that.
Yeah, this should have been the last one.
What is that one on the corner?
This one is very exciting.
This one is like a make your own.
It's fishy.
But you make it.
It's like a bunch of powders and stuff.
You mix it together.
It's an activity.
It's another activity.
Shall we do it?
It looks like there's one for each of us.
yeah there's a tray a spoon a dropper and candy and six packets in terms of
sushi but it's not like there's not it's not actually seafood right okay I don't
I don't eat seafood.
Okay.
Why do you like seafood?
I just don't eat any seafood.
Don't at all?
No, I throw up.
Oh no.
It's my biggest weakness other than...
Maybe because you don't like it or because you're allergic.
I don't know. I just can't eat it.
Rice candy powder.
There's a dropper.
I've seen a lot of
more candy powder.
Videos of people doing these things.
This is really exciting for me.
Okay, so you lead the way.
But it was all powder?
It was all powder.
Now that you've volunteered.
Now that you've volunteered.
I need some water.
Yeah, I have.
I mean, I drank out of this.
I already drank out of mine.
Okay, okay.
I drank out of mine, but if we go with that.
Are you guys okay with it?
I'm absolutely.
I'm kind of like,
How are you going to take the one?
OK, hold on.
Because you mix the things in this tray.
I think they're instructions.
Or not.
No, that's just.
This is the rice candy.
Oh, there we go.
No, here are the instructions.
Make some rice.
Fill the oval depression with one with water.
Then add powder from the blue packet.
Stir until thick like cooked rice.
OK.
So this one.
Yeah, and there with one water.
I feel like that's not enough water.
Like this is the water.
Yeah, there you go.
A little bit more water.
Oh, this is the whole measuring cup?
So should we just pour the water?
No, I think it's that.
Basically, it's like one of these droppers in here.
There's like now three of those droppers in here.
All right, so put it, now you put the rest in here.
Wait, oh, did I put too much?
I mean, I can suck it out.
Hold on.
There you go.
See, it's easy.
It's not even wrong.
I'm like, I guess that way.
Do we have a slip?
There's a slip.
Oh, I got one.
Oh, we have three slip.
Ooh.
I'm like a child practicing mother's voice.
I've never done this before.
I'm sorry.
Oh, I didn't know you were so crap.
I've never done this before, so.
OK, and then I just fill the whole thing.
Yeah, just pour it into the water, then.
Why are you, why do you have so much expertise in this?
Because I watch a lot of videos of people doing this.
This is a dream come true.
The whole thing.
OK.
Yeah, the whole.
It looks like a whole thing.
No, I didn't.
No, put the whole thing in.
No, put the whole thing in.
This is the whole packet.
Oh.
Just dump it in.
If we need more water, we'll have a lot of water.
OK, that does sound.
It does seem like a lot.
Yeah.
I mean, you said with the whole thing in.
I was thinking we have to add a little.
Stir until thick.
Stir until thick like a rice, all right.
Yeah, I don't think we were supposed to put the whole thing in.
No, I think you were just supposed to fill the oval
with a person.
No, but now it seems like you are supposed to,
because look, it looks big.
Right?
It looks like it's like a cloud.
I think we could do a little bit more later.
Although, it is coming together.
I'm going to do a little bit.
Just a little, yeah, a little more.
Mm-hmm.
I'm skeptical.
Have faith.
See, look, it's looking like rice.
It's thick like rice.
And this has tuna candy powder.
A little faith.
That's, those words should never be.
I'm so wondering about that.
I'm sorry.
Oh my god, you're having so much fun with this.
This is a dream come true.
It's great.
Wow.
Did I say dream come true?
I want to ask you for more money.
Yes.
Donate if you want us to eat the sushi.
I can smell it.
It gets so sugary.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It's coming together.
This is looking like rice.
OK, what's the next step?
It's not looking like rice.
I'm sorry.
Girl, it's looking like rice, OK?
OK, make omelet.
Add water up to the line on the side in the spiral section.
It doesn't look like rice.
Then add the yellow packet mix.
Spread and flat wait three minutes until firm
No, you're okay, you're cutting you're no no, okay?
Yes
No, this is the spiral yes, I said the sparrow one
Okay, hold on. Okay, thank you.
Okay, this is the spiral.
You fill it up to the line.
You're the spiral one.
We have to thank someone?
Yeah, we had Sarah go for it.
But this guy, we just donated for you.
He paid $5,000.
Okay, Anthony Alemo.
Thank you for your donation
Okay, Tim Traversey, thank you for the donation
We're at what? I'm sorry
Oh, so we raised full grand already yeah damn okay get those numbers up chat that's not enough
Give him a bowl. Give him a bowl.
Yeah, if we get to 15 grand, I'm gonna eat the sugary thing that we're making.
Hell yeah.
Even though I feel not so confident with what we have made so far.
No disrespect to your skills of sushi making.
Hey, you know.
Like that definitely put too much water on that one.
No, you fill it up to the line. You're just gonna let it sit for three minutes.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
This is the omelette piece.
Yeah.
I still feel like the rice needs some water.
Okay, and then number three we need two now.
We're moving on from the rice.
No, no, we did it in the wrong one.
It's supposed to be in the spiral section.
No, no, that's the spiral.
Look, see?
Oh, wait, is it not?
No, it's not.
That's one's a spiral.
No.
I think it's okay though.
Okay, no, no, it's fine.
I think it's fine.
Add one.
No, it's fine.
I think it's fine.
Add water up to the ones on the side of the wave.
It's just about making it look away.
Yeah, yeah.
It's just that the, it's like,
it'll be like yellow tuna and like reds.
Oh, you can, you will not be able to tell.
Not worth it anywhere.
Add water, no, if we get to feed you red,
I'll eat the Frankenstein's monster sushi.
Oh, good.
Okay.
Okay.
This is the tuna.
They're salmon and there's, why are they both salmon?
Add water up to the line, make tuna, add water up to the line on the side of the wave section
and then add powder from the red packet, mix and spread and flatten.
Same job.
I gave it a try.
Yeah, dump.
Okay, and then you're the jammer.
Jam it up
And then
And then we make the dried seaweed spread out the black candy that match the shape and size of the packing pouch
This is just straight sugar yes, this is you can't eat fish this is this seems like
Something that children probably shouldn't be
It's literally the first ingredient of sugar. Yeah, it's just it's all sugar and then it's like you know
All their things that you see in candy, I guess
Oh, yeah
All right, we're at 14k already. It's a Hassan can and he will if we get 15,000 dollars. Yeah
All right, oh
Oh, we got to flatten the seaweed.
Yeah, you flatten the seaweed.
Yeah.
And then...
Where are we flattening it on?
I don't know.
It just says, spread out the line in a message shape.
Like this.
I don't trust the clementis in my hands.
I've been outside all day.
You spread it right there.
And then, and then number five is make salmon roe.
I'll do it right over here.
Oh, the salmon roe is fun.
Add water up to lines on sides.
Add water up to the lines on sides in sections A and B, add powder from the green packet
to section A, add powder from the orange packet to section B, mix well, use dropper
to slowly add mixture B.
Wait, what?
Okay, I know, okay, I've seen this.
I've seen this on TV.
Okay, so we're going to put a lot of water in section B.
On TV?
Well, on my phone.
Oh.
Just a lot?
I mean, put this on the table?
I'll walk up to the lines on the sides, on the section, you can do it for both actually.
So yeah, do that up to the line in section A and section B.
The line is actually pretty high.
Oh yeah.
I thought it would have been faster if you were.
I'm trying to do it by the book.
Okay.
These are dangerous forces that you're messing with.
Is this conglulia?
You think this is easy?
You think being a, this is Jiro Dreams of Sushi.
Okay, this is what he was doing.
There's a whole Netflix documentary about his life.
That's true.
Okay, wait, what am I doing?
Okay, add water to the lines.
Add powder from Green Packet to section A.
Suit guy doing it by the book, yes.
Also, I think we hit 15K.
I'm gonna eat it.
I'll eat it.
What is this?
Oh, the salmon roll.
Wait, then what?
And then we app-powder, mix-well.
I think you're supposed to mix it with the other one, too,
or something?
I don't know what that means.
Mix-well, use-drop, wait, app-powder,
from orange packet to section B.
I think there's some chemistry that's going to happen here.
This is section B.
Yes.
So now this goes in.
Did you put it in section A the first time?
The green one in section A. Orange one in section B.
Okay, if you do, okay, if you get to 20k, I'll go to the side of it with them mix well use
chopper to slowly add mixture beat. Okay, so now is when I think some chemistry happens.
We're going to want to see this shot, I think.
I think we like suck at this, and we like drop, we make the road by dropping them in here.
What? What the hell is that?
We're making a row.
What is row?
Fish eggs.
Yes, right.
Oh.
Fish eggs.
Not that one though.
Alright, hold on.
What kind of madness is this?
Japan is so far ahead of us in terms of candy technology. I'm saying
She's locked in
Like I said, we get to 20 K where to take care of you while you were gone
We get to 20 K on the way to the Pride event. Do you want to try this on we gotta do it quick?
I still don't think this looks like rice.
Yeah, the rice is, I don't know that we did right by the rice.
We tried.
Claire, how do you feel having, you know, achieved your dreams?
I'm... I can't even express.
I'm like over, I'm like over, I'm like over.
I'm just like one single tear.
I didn't finish the right, the, this piece though.
No.
Is it rolling out?
It's so small.
I love that it has a whole picture in how to do it.
Yeah, so um.
Okay, that's all.
You did it?
You did it, yeah.
Yay!
What are we at?
We're over 18 about it.
Wait, oh shit.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Wait, oh shit, okay, I was bluffing do it. Don't
Promises me I just that's they have to leave soon. So if we don't get the 20k by the time
Oh
Yes, I'll be fine
Okay, she doesn't fucking 25 got to realize that is so we got Oilers
Wait, what is this packet?
The soy sauce.
Okay, cool.
Let's just put it in.
Okay, now we're making some sushi.
How do we get the roe out of the pan?
Fill a dropper, half full, and add water to add to section one.
Add the powder from the brown packet.
We really need more droppers, I think.
Oh yeah, I forgot that there's so much more.
Yeah, we need more roe.
Oh, because that's going to suck up all the water?
I think that the, I don't know what's in the packet of powder that we put in this one, but I think we might just scoop it up.
It firms up the, the shell of the row.
Finger. Okay.
Um, alright, let's make some sushi.
Okay.
Alright, how do we do it?
Uh, you form, do I just take it?
Alright, let's take a ball.
Uh-huh. Oh my god, that feels like rice.
Oh, that's so weird.
Oh, what the fuck?
It feels literally like rice.
Cool.
OK, and then I form it.
Is it too big?
I can't tell.
No, I think that's fine.
OK.
Wow, that's so crazy.
Cut the omelet in tuna in half.
Oh, and then you get the omelet in the tuna app.
Yeah.
You should be.
No, you cut it in half, it says first.
It's still not congealed.
Yeah.
And then flip halves over and put
on the rice balls.
Oh, it worked.
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
No, it's working.
What a beautiful dream.
It's working.
OK, now you put it on top.
And this is one of them.
That's it.
Do you want seaweed?
Does it go with seaweed?
No, that's a saffron rose.
You just have a different one.
Go ahead.
Eat up
Eat up
Oh, it does feel like rice
I can't eat it, but I won't touch it
Oh my god
It's actually good, it's like gum
Why are you a hater?
I can't eat it, but it doesn't feel like rice
It literally feels like rice
If I'd never had rice in my life
I would assume this is
It even has a like
It does look very cute though
It does look very cute though.
It's so cute, look at that, ta-da!
Okay, chat, there we go.
It looks a little, there we go, that's, well.
You did it, you did it.
We did it, there you go, wow.
Okay, I'm gonna try to do the roll.
Okay, we need $300 more until I try another piece.
If you want me to try the
Rose sushi, okay you try your
I also have a technically average, I'm a little rich here, I can't eat jals either.
Wait, really?
Who can eat this?
Yeah, sorry.
Okay, we're over 20 grand, we're over 20 bands.
Oh, wow, that really does look good.
Oh wow, that really does look like a girl.
Wow.
It's a little bit Boston.
Go ahead.
That also tastes like bubblegum.
Incredible.
How do they do this?
With sugar.
Sugar and who knows what else?
Angelatin.
You have something else going on or what are you doing you guys want to come you want should we all go to
What do you think I mean I'm freestyling I have no I have mad debates coming up
Okay, did you guys have the panda?
Oh wait, maybe we should debate them.
Panda?
Oh, we got a panda?
Okay.
Mine doesn't have a panda though.
What?
Oh it is?
Yeah, it's kind of deep, Brooklyn.
God damn it. I mean...
I mean, what are you gonna do?
I'm just gonna eat some real food. It's just real food.
Oh, there's something in it?
I don't even know what you said.
Can we both do pride? Is that fine?
Yeah.
Can we take...
How big is the car that you guys have?
No, no, I can order XL so that we can all go together.
Little panda doing something.
Trying to figure out what is panda's doing.
It's holding something, but I don't know what it is.
Oh, this is a panda's that...
My hands are so sticky.
What is this panda doing?
Change your outfit, bro?
Yeah, let me just change my outfit real quick, Chad.
Do you not bail on pride twice? We should see if Austin will show up.
When did you bail on pride?
What? Last week because Israel struck Iraq or Iraq struck Israel.
Zubalic streets, you know?
Alright, alright, sorry, we're going to give you a hard time.
Oh, that's what I said.
Alright, I'm like, sticky now.
I want more wasabi peas.
Okay.
Wow, this one is so fun.
What?
Yeah, yeah, don't do the piss cam.
I've done it.
I've done it at the DNC, with like 70,000 people watching.
I went into the bathroom with the mic on my chest and I healthy streamed luckily, but...
Are you sure it can't happen to Luigi?
What?
It can't happen to Luigi.
He's got a lot of the water.
Yeah, it's like, that's a Japanese Luigi.
What if he just let me see?
That's crazy.
I don't care.
Stop talking people.
It's kind of like my money.
That's theater into the hearts of particularly in there.
And Luigi's.
What's the, do we know what the address is?
For pride?
No, I don't know.
It was in the actual event.
Was it the address for pride?
Yes.
I'll take that.
Two, two, seven, eight, that's it.
Okay.
He's not gonna awesome. I'm gonna make it. It's just not because he's gonna say it's too far
Yeah, it's deep
Well, yeah
Yeah
Okay. Alright. Alright, everybody. Thank you so much. Remember, go out.
You can phone bank, you can canvas, even if you're outside of the state, even if you're outside of the districts,
you can phone bank for these two wonderful candidates.
And thank you so much guys for coming on and also making this demonic sushi contrast in that only I ate suspiciously.
You guys were so stoked on it and then only I was forced to eat it, which is weird.
And you enjoyed it.
I loved it.
I loved it, but I don't know what's going to happen to me next, so.
But yeah, and also thank you for your contributions, everybody.
This was great, and let me see. I'm getting a phone call right now from Austin, I think.
So, like, I'm trying to figure out whether we can go to Pride or not.
But anyway, let's snap some pics.
All right, great.
Okay.
All right, you guys are free to do whatever you want.
Don't forget that don't get the microphone. Oh, thank you
Yeah
Yes, you're on your live on camera Austin, bro, I'm
50 minutes away. This is so homophobic pride month. You didn't you didn't tell me I
The only way I'm making it is if you get me a helicopter
Okay, well I can't do that because I don't even know how to do that and also it would be homophobic for me to put you in a
Helicopter because then you know they crash all the time
What on your on an expensive
Instead of a car ride you chose the helicopter on your later
He died a hero.
Yeah.
So...
Okay, well, we're...
I literally wouldn't make it.
I don't think we can make it either,
because we have something else going on after this as well,
even though I promised...
What?
You?
Yeah.
We have...
Even though I promised to chat if they...
If we donated up to 20 grand to the candidates
that I would do it...
This is what we'll do.
New York City prize at the end of the month.
Maybe we do that.
Okay, maybe.
All right.
We can have gay sex, that's the other thing.
Okay, we'll just have gay sex, I'll make up for it.
I'll be the top.
Which I now call sex.
Yeah, not even gay sex, just sex.
I'll be the top because you don't know how to do that.
No, you're bottoming.
The ass is very different, much more complicated than what you do.
That's what I'm more comfortable with.
That's what I'm used to.
I can't dive off the deep end like that.
I'm much more comfortable as an expert.
I'll show you how it's done.
Uh-huh.
We got a film.
We got a film for like 30 minutes.
All right.
Wait, did you get everyone's mics?
Okay.
Thank you so much, everybody.
Thank you for everything.
This was great.
Are we having that conversation in front of them?
Yes, they're in front of two congressional candidates.
What the fuck?
and their entire and their entire and their entire canvas
operations.
Yes, I like to run in New York.
And okay, they left the room already and they heard you
already. So they're they're saying you have the bottom if
you want to run for New York.
I'm not going to run against you.
No, good with you as your vice congressperson.
That's not how that that's not how that works, Austin. They've
left already. They left the room.
No, all right, we'll end to hear them. We're on the broadcast
everybody. Thank you so much for watching. I'll be live in Denver tomorrow and by Austin, I'm going to
hang up on you now. Watch your end. That's right. Um, but yeah, I am. I am going to say bye to you
guys. Thank you to DSA for opening up their their offices to us. And thank you to the candidates.
Thank you so much for donating and I will be live from Denver tomorrow. We have the the rally
And very excited for that. I'll be doing my regular news coverage and then the rally afterwards
And we'll see you there. Okay, so tune into that. You don't want to miss that