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What they were talking about, this phenomenon is named after actress Barbara Streisand.
Sometimes when you try to cover something up, you end up bringing more attention to it than
if you would just let things be.
They're not the devil, son of a bitch!
Every woman they see!
The Assemblyman will not denounce Hassan Piper, who said America deserved 9-11, dude.
The Assemblyman just said in his response, Hassan Piper says America deserved 9-11, dude.
There you go!
There you have it!
Friends, we have toppled a political dynasty.
Now to the Michigan Senate race, where
El Sayed is campaigning in Michigan.
Appearing on stage at two Michigan campaign rallies.
He's coactively campaigning alongside Piker.
The man who said Petzel is flagged is his favorite,
because it's dope.
Why would you align yourself for a raging
anti-Semite price?
Who has defended Hamas terrorists?
Calling them the lesser of two lives,
Israel's compared to the government,
evil's far worse choice.
Lesser of two, that's what I find a bridge too far.
when I went up to my good friend, Chats,
and said, hey, can you walk me through
some more controversial statements of a Sompiker?
Even Chats' EPT went out of it's way
to stop them beating Eddie with a SON
and it gave me context.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Chats' EPT.
The Sompiker's campaign poison.
Placing yourself on the wrong side of a 90-10 issue
is only gonna make you look bad.
It's gonna be good for me.
It's gonna be good for the candidates that I work with.
Turns out it was true.
Abdul al-sayed at 27%
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No matter where you are in the world, I'm a piker in this thousand.
I'm back as come to you live from not so sunny, a little gloomy,
little cloudy, California, Los Angeles folks were live and alive.
And I hope all the boys, girls and MBS are having a fantastic one.
But today's a beautiful day. Today's a wonderful day.
Today is Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.
That's right. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Sunday, fun day.
It's a super secret, uh, Sunday.
Normally I don't stream on Sundays is what I say in the morning.
Every Sunday before I start streaming on Sunday, you already know what it is though ladies and gentlemen
We're live. We're live and I hope everyone's having a
Fantastic one put gaming in the title now. I don't want to make a promise that I can't keep you know what I mean
I don't want my mouth
To write a check that my ass can't
cash
We got the Hamas Abbey Master Shake Aqua Teen Hamas Force Episode 1 Radical Islamist Hassan
Friker.
We'll finally watch that today.
But yeah, I like the color combo the pin really pops too.
Hell yeah, thank you.
Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, boys, girls and MBS, you already know.
We're live. We're live. And I hope everyone's having a fantastic one. This is part of the
broadcast where I tell you about my personal news about what's going on in the world of
us on outside of a biker. It's Sunday, June 28th, 2026, about to turn 35 in less than
a month.
Shits getting crazy out here. Time it continues to pass the passage of time. It's real.
I'm really feeling it. But yeah, other than that, you already know, I'm a shut ass loser.
I'm doing a doing a thing profile for Wall Street Journal. I did a photo shoot for it
last night. Photo shoot actually was all suits. So that's going to be interesting experience.
days off, you already know. Yeah, minus 20k, you already know. But you need to come South Dakota
and campaign for Toby Durden now. Yeah, exactly. That's that's what I'm doing. That's what actually
I'm going to do. Your age isn't making you feel it sitting on your ass every day. Being a loser
is cooking you. Okay, well, that's unnecessarily mean. Anyway, many of you also sit on your
asses but you can make the change that you want to see specifically
specifically with the main like heroes Julie Gonzalez races that are taking
place in Colorado and Denver Colorado with main like heroes in Colorado
Senate with Julie Gonzalez Senadora Gonzalez very excited
hopefully they will you appeared in a ben jordan video oh hell yeah love ben
Jordan. What do you talk about? The richest country is pretty mid now. Oh, I love that.
That's my favorite conversation to have. Ben's the man. Anyway, yeah, Wall Street Journal
wrote that article about how North Korea's economy is booming. And then they've just
been getting really active, I guess, with democratic socialism or, you know, educating
their audience, their readership of what it is, what it means to be a democratic socialist.
Mike Collins, also his opponent, criticized Ossoff for not condemning you. Hassan Piker,
that's so funny. Dude, I will say I do love Republicans actively,
I do love Republicans actively campaigning against like cancel culture and against the
hysteria of like social justice warriors, only to basically turn into an even sillier version
of that cartoon that they depicted Democrats as when there are actually some like people
who are at least affiliated in some way shape or form with the Democratic Party brand, but
they have some teeth.
Well, bro, soon on a Sunday too, what the fuck calm down doing?
Never.
Also, CNN wrote an article on Melot Keros. Very interesting. Don't know if I like it
or not, but they're actually starting to take notice of these races before we end up
winning them. Don't know. But we'll do that. They're the social
injustice warriors. Oh, yeah. Take a day off, man. You're sure you're not stopped?
Well, I can't take a day off because there's races.
There are races that need to be won.
There are democratic socialists that need to get elected
all around the country.
I will be talking to one of them today,
Hartzell Gray specifically.
So ABC, the Dazaar interview, obviously,
we'll be watching that.
That's a big one.
Zahm-um-Dani, the Democratic Party
has to be willing to fight for working people.
He had a aura farming moment too.
He had a aura moment.
Yes, smear's that knee countering.
Thank you for the playlist, the Macias.
We got the Eddie Burrback RFK diet video as well.
We'll be looking at that.
We'll be watching that too later when we get to,
later when we get to, you know, fun stuff.
His pants don't match, mom Donnie is washed.
It's over. I mean my pants don't match either. It's just normal. You can do that. You can do that. They allow you to do that if you're the mayor of New York.
Ah, as long as the hardest working man in the media, thank you. Probably not. The hardest working man in general is Toby Durden running for governor of South Dakota on the Republican ticket against that yellow belly coward, Desti Johnson.
He's the hardest working man.
Anyway, um, certified 10-10 Hassan, have you approved? What is this?
When I'm... when I'm inventing the impression of the peasantry in bro says
we just go away for the shillings to trickle down, me lord. Okay, I do... I
don't understand why this guy does have peasant physiognomy. I don't know
how someone can be in the year 2026 of our holy lord and look so medieval like the only
other person is that just being British? Is that what it is? Because it's not just a fit.
I think is that what it is that was going on? Is he have a case of just British face that
because he looks like a traveling? Honestly, the other the only other person I've ever seen
And automatically assumed is from like a different era like a face that has never seen an iPad is that Irish guy
What's his face the one that was dating Sabrina carpenter who actually?
Made the biggest mistake of his life and and flubbed the the whole Sabrina carpenter situation
Barry Keegan
Barry Keegan Barry Keegan has a face like a chimney sweep. You know what I mean?
like I don't know what it is
Like Barry Keegan looks like he is from an era where iPads did not exist like he has the face of a person
that you can't match with an iPad um yeah Barry fumble Keegan uh he he looks like he would be a child chimneysweep
and and this guy has the perfect medieval peasantry physiognomy I don't know how some people just have resting the Lord face
and this guy has it
This guy has it anyway, what are you saying man, please stop?
Anyway, he looked like a Victorian child. Yeah
AOC clip on the discourse telling socialists to leave the party. I know we'll be talking about that AOC
Went on some some radio shows talking about the DSA defending the DSA defending socialism on that stuff
But anyway Tesco meals a free free full you see should do that to you of its own mate fucking. Oh
There's no such thing as a Tesco
Meal deal back in the day. He's got resting the Lord phase dude
Resting the Lord phase means no Tesco Tesco did not exist at the time when my lordship was there, you know
Anyway, literally everyone
every democrat is being asked about democratic socialism it's kind of awesome and many of them
ironically enough are actually defending it so i like that personally i don't want them to tarnish
our reputation you know i don't want them to i don't want them to defend us too much you know
You know what I mean?
Cause like, then I'm worried that, uh, that it's going to impact our rep a little bit.
People are going to be like, wait a minute, wait a minute, these guys are, you know,
these guys are just regular Democrats.
Wait, canary mission deleted the video?
Oh no.
That's so lame.
They deleted the aura edit video.
I said they're cutting promos for us now and they realize that it actually is perfectly
valid to create a political party that is, that hands selects its leadership roles from
people who are literally street level protesters and organizers, which is what you know, you're
normally supposed to do as opposed to like make a foreign country that may or may not
actually by way of the Knesset give grants to this doxing operation called Canary Mission.
I hand select the candidates really messed up. Anyway, I don't think regular people will
see centers them praising the essays and negative to be honest. Yeah, I don't think so either.
I'm just mess, I'm just messing around. Anyway, let's blast off. There's a lot to talk about
today. As always, you already know what it is. It's Sunday. I didn't really do much.
Like I said, I did a photo shoot for Wall Street and I did an interview with Wall
She journal and I feel like it's gonna freak out a lot of its readership, but we'll see
Yeah, they're on US war back on a Sunday fund a more Jew parts all gray in the building later
Sunday shows defend democratic
Socialism
get in and now to twitch.tv slash Hassan Abbey giving old bankers a heart
attack
should be both posted about this that's crazy did you
Did you put my my Schmeet on the S of the DSA?
I mean, whatever flows your boat, honestly, like whatever, like if it works, it works.
You know what I mean?
I'm gonna put that in the blast off meme. Fuck it. Why not?
Happy late Father's Day
Thank you. What happened to this? The suit guy is just a clone. I'm just, I'm a suit
guy now. That's who I am now folks. That's just how it is. Okay. Joined at the perfect
time. Yeah. Did you put your meat on the S? Yeah, I didn't do that. Chatter did that. That was his
artistic vision. And it would be disrespectful for me to, you know, to say that his artistic vision
is wrong. This is art man, art is art. What's going on in America B? I don't think Androgynyk
is an America B character. I think he's he's he's just a he's in a league of his own.
What my awesome trips to Israel. He mentions me Ben Jordan is is a friend and he's great
Your meet on main AOCs are on a burning follow you dog. Whatever man. It's nothing they haven't seen before
You know what I'm saying? I'm sure they've seen they follow a lot of other accounts as well
And you guys keep posting the meat on the timeline
You know? It is what it is, dude. What are you gonna do?
What? Tell Marcia Steps game up. I should be starts feeling sick after eating too much.
So his cameraman slips, use an in-camera shutter drag to give viewers the sick experience.
Let me get up here, let me get up here, let me get up here right there, let me get one
quarter.
Bro, ain't no way, ain't no way, ain't no way is like Grant Tartto, he did the red dead
redemption drunken, the drunk filter, that's crazy, that's actually, man this dude is
so such a he is the goat at at live broadcasting all admit yeah my our situation is not so good
folks we're kind of washed over a dozen of broadcasts can I say can I say that
can I be honest for a minute I'm kind of washed over a dozen of broadcasts you know
hey ha it's been uploading the interviews you can't is I'm not the best with editing but I
I realize a lot of channels miss these. What is this? This is your entry graphic. That's
sick for you. The viewers tomorrow's new today. Get this out of the way. Oh, don't have it
on the screen. This is BDS. What are you doing?
I'm full sit down with Dario. Lisa Avila, Chevrolet.
I
Maxing yeah, bro listen for hours of gaming in 2026. We're washed. Okay, dude. Okay calm down. All right calm down
What is this I should speed also speaks Chinese now
You're from China. Oh, yeah
Oh
Yeah
Listen you got to get everybody that's in the stream watching right now, bro. Yeah, listen Portugal needs to win this game any
Give me some motivation bro turn them up, bro. Yeah, I'm very very I know I'm being a little very very bad
Okay, okay. Okay. Okay. Uh, uh, uh,
Leching, Leching, Leching. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah
Uh, Qingwen, my grandpa, uh, come on, come on, my grandpa, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on!
I'm done, bro, I'm done.
I'm done.
I saw Verk, and this motherfucker moxmed me in Chinese too. He just, he learned.
He,
He said cheer for the stream?
I think that must be the only thing he knows how to say right there's no way he just like actually learn Chinese
I this is why they call me lemon bro and fucking
Billy Billy bro. This is I am so he is so advanced. He is way more Chinese than I ever can be okay
It's over for me. I'm no longer. I'm no longer white Chinese. I'm hanging it up
I'm hanging it up. I'm hanging it up. It's over. I'm too busy doing lame shit, like trying
to get democratic, democratic socials elected in the office. Who gives a fuck about that,
bro? He's on a, he's on a separate wavelength. He's saying no more revisionism. He said
But he has adopted Xi Jinping thought.
He has decided he's not invested in bourgeois democracy in any way, shape, or form.
And he has advanced to the next stage of international socialism by becoming a defender,
an ardent supporter of socialism with Chinese characteristics.
It's very clear, it's very clear that he is on a totally different wave, like totally
different frequency than me. I am washed. I am nothing. All I'm doing is trying to get
you guys, all I'm doing is actually maybe the, maybe the, the ultras, maybe the ultras were
right. Maybe all I'm doing is, is this revision is nonsense.
Uh, this, this nascensical position, I'm taking all the revolutionary potential of
the proletariat and feeding it back into the trap of bourgeois liberal democracy.
whereas he is actually uniting the working class. It's very clear. It's very clear. I
tip my hat to you. I show speed. Thomas Massey counters a Fox reporter by calling him gay.
That's funny. What voyeuristic Fox reporter Nicholas Balzy. Unsure and uneasy when questioned
about alleged gay porn watching habit. Wait, what?
you he knows the he knows his bird doggers personally he knows the he knows the porn
consumption habits of his bird doggers that's wild I heard that you like gay porn is that
true I just want to give you a chance to give me more time are you a real news organization
or not. What the fuck?
Wait, what?
He couldn't even answer it, bro.
He's running away.
Wait, what?
Bro, if you don't, if you don't
consume gay porn, just say no.
What the hell?
I've never seen that before.
I've never seen that happen before.
What the hell?
He just a reverse bird dog.
Then he said reverse, you know, bitch.
Mo fucker with speed.
I mean, honestly, wouldn't you be if you're literally fucking bird dog in
a congressperson and you're like, oh, why do you do this?
Why do you do that?
And the congressperson turns around knows your name and literally knows your
porn habits.
Yeah, that would brick anybody.
That would break anyone.
Anyone and everyone be like, wait, what?
Why do you know that he just he just hit tactical homophobia hell yeah I mean it's
first of all for Thomas Massey I don't think it's like tactical deployment of homophobia
I would assume that he's probably homophobic you know what I mean it's not like it's not
like Thomas Massey was doing that to be like well there ain't nothing wrong with it but also at
at the same time, it's like, you might be in the closet, my friend, and you could come and
be more comfortable with your identity. I think for him is just homophobia, right? Yeah, it's
a standard deployment. I don't think it's like a tactical one. Yeah. But that is kind of
wild. I've never seen that. I've never seen that play out. The last time I saw someone
deploy information on their bird doggers and and destroy them was when Alisa Slotkin CIA's
very own knew the dog's name knew the dog like knew his bird her bird doggers dog's name
who had recently passed away I think that was fucking insane where she literally turned
around and did the CIA move and was like hey I'm really sorry your dog passed away
last week, you know, something like that. And I was just like, that's the most insane
this person is CIA still. Like you could never stop being CIA when your CIA wants your CIA
for life.
So let me ask you, I heard that you like gay porn. Is that true?
I just want to give you a chance. You're so curious to give me your story. Are you
a real news organization or not? Come back, man. All you got to say is you don't
I like it that you haven't been to those websites, of course I don't like it really
That's not what I heard. Oh
My god
Oh my god, he's running away. Oh
My god, he's running away with his head hanging in shame buddy
This is the equivalent of an admission. This is worse than an admission at that point you should have been like
Yeah, I crank at the fucking gay porn. What of it dude
You should just say that at that point you should own it
Just running away with your head tucked in going I don't like it. I do it, but I don't like it makes it so much worse
Oh my god, oh
I've never bro. What is happening, bro?
And then he posted the full video Nicholas Balzy
Uh, it's all false.
And what she said about you and Boeber having an intimate relationship?
It's all false.
Why do you think she's out there saying it?
Was it because of the primary?
Ahead of the primary?
What do you mean?
It's motivating.
When did you all become a tabloid?
Seriously, Dave?
Well, no, I just thought I would give you a chance to respond,
because you've never been able to tell your side of the story at all.
But anything you could say.
So let me ask you, uh, I heard that you like gay porn.
Is that true?
Oh my God, you went ultra instinct, bro.
Ain't no way.
No, bro, this makes it worse.
Dog, why did you post this video, man?
You posted this on your own.
Dude, this is even better from the other angle.
What the fuck?
Look at his face, look at his face, he goes, okay.
Was he just sitting there googling this guy's name or something?
He's like, what outlet are you with?
Let me ask you, I heard that you like gay porn.
Is that true?
I just want to give you a chance. You're sorry. I'm not gonna get it. I'm not gonna get it. Oh, no
Oh my god, he's running away. Oh
My god, dude, dude, dude. This is beast mode. I I have to tactically deploy a like on this
Okay, I don't know if this is tactical homophobia or straight line homophobia and his pride month
But like I've never seen something like this. I've never seen someone so
Thoroughly defeated like
That is crazy bro, that is yeah, that's beast mode I'm afraid 100% I mean, what do you say to that? What do you say to that?
What do you do?
I've never seen someone get
So thoroughly defeated and run away like this
That's not pride brother. That is shame. Oh my god. Yeah. I mean, you what he should have done is yeah, I sucked dick. What is what's wrong with that? You know what I mean? Like that's what he should have done.
You should have been like, I sucked dick. There's nothing wrong with that. What about Lauren Boebert or whatever? Does she, you know, suck yours and just like lean into it, right?
Cause like at that point when you turn around and you tuck your tail and you start running,
I mean you set back gay rights.
You set gay rights back dude, you rolled the clock back.
You know what I mean?
You roll the clock, weigh the fuck back with that one.
Just stand 10 toes down and be like, yeah, I love penis man.
I'm a fucking journalist. Why are you asking me that? What? You want a little piece? Is that what
you want? You want to break off a piece of this? You know what I mean? You have to fight
fire with fire. It's like the escalation ladder, okay? Robert A. Pape was wrong, okay? You go
up the escalation ladder. Your opposition goes up the escalation ladder. You got to carry
that ladder up. You got to climb up that ladder real quick. It'd be like, yeah, I suck dick.
And I love it. I'm smoking on penises, big dog. What's up? You serving some? Is the buffet open?
Give it to me. You know, that kind of thing, because it's over. Anything you do in terms of
running away at that point, anything that you do as far as running away and being like,
Yes, I'm shameful. I am ashamed. I am ashamed of the gay pornography consumption that I have
is over. You are such a fucking idiot, Lell.
Yeah, no homo. We smoke in penises, big dog.
You serving a little bit of that flank steak? Yum.
That's what he should have done because running away like this answers his question and it's
like a humiliating too. He's like, you're taking this all wrong. Thomas is just showing
I'm going to show him an example of an invasive question.
You sound a little nuts.
I mean, I'm having fun.
Yeah, or the Gaga defense.
So what if I do?
Yeah.
What do you, what can you do to that?
Cause now everybody knows you're gay and worse cause
there's nothing wrong with gay.
Everybody knows you're ashamed of being gay.
That's like, that's actually the unacceptable element here.
You know what I mean?
Balls in your court and you fucking fumbled it man. You fumbled harder than Barry Keegan fumble Sabrina carpenter
It's Sunday, it's meet the press. Yeah
Anyway, it's still pride month too, I know I
Know it's shame month for Nicholas a ball is he
It's a month of shame for big dog.
Also Matt Bernstein posted this, but a boy, a boy Curtis Lila, the only acceptable Republican
candidate for any race on a I heart radio gay pride float, dude.
He's got the people's mayor jacket on.
That's amazing.
I mean, he's right though.
He's right.
Zoran better fucking recognize.
Okay.
His time.
His time as mayor is limited.
Next race comes up.
We're all voting for Curtis Leiva, the real socialist. None of this revision is bullshit,
none of this democratic socialism nonsense.
Mum Donnie is after you, maybe don't post me.
With DSA next time, I'm aware the images regionally shared on X by the controversial online
personality and streamer, Sam Piker, the Democratic Socialist of America have played
an important role in electing deeply committed progressive leaders across the country.
We should all reject conduct that reflects poorly on our movement and undermines the values we stand for.
I will be working closely with police commissioners to ensure that those responsible are held accountable and that incidents like this are not repeated.
To reinforce that public spaces should remain welcoming and respectful for everyone. My administration will institute a month-long bang on the
month-long ban on the public display on underwear. This conduct, this kind of conduct has no place in our city. Yeah, of course.
Yeah, of course, he posted this, he doesn't want anyone to show meat, he only wants suits,
that's why he's like, if you're going to show meat, you have to be wearing a suit, don't
know how you'll get that across.
We need to elect more insane people in the office.
Sure, why not?
Yeah, I got banned from New York.
Zoran did this today?
Yeah, look at that sweet, sweet Sharia law
being implemented in New York.
Woke Sharia, of course.
You gotta walk, you gotta walk, you gotta walk.
Bro, New York literally looks like a different planet.
And like, even when I'm in it, it doesn't make sense.
It just literally lives and exists on its own timeline.
Like there's bubbles, people are so joyful, everyone's having fun, the fuck's going
Oh, man. Actually, what's going on?
It feels like it's, it's from a separate, it feels like it's, you know, we got America A,
we got America B. This is like America Z, okay? It's a different America.
Functioning government. People have confidence that their government will take care of their
problems 311 you call them they answer now this shit's ass bro I'm jealous I'm
jelly bees I'm peanut butter and jealous okay it's peanut butter jealous time
straight up I'll say it I'm not ashamed to admit that fuck it why not anyway
speaking of which our boy Jacob sober off okay the handsome Jacob sober off
himself. He has his own show now called Connect with Jacob Solbroff on MS now. And,
and yeah, Jacob interviewed our girl, Maylock Keros, who of course, we're, we're boosting right now.
Let's get started there. He just interviewed KC tenants founder Tara Raghuvir on his show.
Yeah, Jacob is the man. He's actually, as you guys know, he's the man. I'm a big defender of Jacob and have been.
have been.
So, everybody, I'm Jacob Soberoff.
It is Sunday, June 28th, and you are watching Kinect.
You know my happy place is an election day, and we are once again just days away from
another important primary election here in America.
Voters will head to the polls in Colorado to vote in primaries for the governorship
and the House and the Senate and other state races.
And after the progressive sweep in New York City on Tuesday, one house race just got really,
really interesting.
In New York, three candidates backed by Democratic Socialist mayors, Zoran Mamdani, won their
primaries knocking out two incumbent Democrats in a powerful show of force against the establishment.
And to centrist Democrats, these wins are not just any Democratic wins.
They are a warning sign that the playbook that they have been running on might not
be what their voters want anymore.
are on a hot streak. And Donald Trump is already running with it. He is doing what he does best.
He's putting his own spin on the messaging and slinging around familiar insults.
The communists are not social democrats. They want to complete. Dude, Donald Trump knowing
the distinction between social democrats and democratic socialists would be so funny.
I don't think, I don't think he, he knows. I don't even, I think he accidentally said
they're not social democrats because he was trying to say democratic socialists.
I don't think he knows what the distinction is at all.
We destroy the traditional American way of life. Communism is very easy to sell.
He's an ultra. No, dude, dude, he's a tanky. He is JD Pondon. He is JD Pondon, bro. He literally,
he's like the trots abandoned us and at some point even the USSR abandoned the righteous path of
Marxist Leninism a synthesis of Marxism and Leninism put into practice by the great man Joseph Stalin
And the only country on the planet who refused to engage with this revisionism was Maoist China.
And now, under my leadership, America is back on track, folks.
That's right.
Enver Hoja, Mao Zedong, Donald John Trump, the three anti-revisionists, Marxist Leninists,
and Tito, you think Tito?
Of course Tito was not the fucking leader, look, I love Tito.
He was also the leader of the, what is it called, the uncommitted, Tito was the uncommitted
movement.
Tito was the original, Tito was the original uncommitted movement, the non-aligned movement,
sorry.
The non-aligned movement, which was also that time frame's version of being uncommitted.
Tito was like, I'm not voting for the Democratic Party, and I'm not voting for the Republican
Party.
Yeah, he said no labels.
No labels communism.
Anyway, yeah, it destroys everything, but it's very easy.
I'd be honest.
I think I'd be the greatest communist in history.
Yeah, see, he's saying it.
Yeah, you guys don't understand because you're used to all this like, oh, let's feed all
of this revolutionary potential back in the fucking bourgeois party in the two-party
system like Donald Trump is charting a separate path forward, one that truly abolishes class.
One that truly destroys the imperialist superpowers around the world by force.
What have you done to destroy American imperialism? Donald Trump works tirelessly every day
to destroy American empire. And you're over here refusing to recognize that he is a true
revolutionary. Okay? He's right. He said, I'd be the greatest communist. He's right.
When he's right, he's right. It's the truth. JD Pondon, baby, took out USAID,
took out USAID, destroyed American force projection capabilities, revealed that the
United States of America is a paper tiger to the rest of the planet with his spectacular
flood. And now he's eating the fattest of L's against Iran, giving Iran everything they wanted,
even though currently the war is back on the menu. He wanted to go back to war with Iran
to really solidify that America doesn't have this smoke, okay? He has ushered in the century of
Chinese prosperity? I'm just saying, I'm just saying it's true. A lot of us didn't understand
that MAGA communism was real. It was here. A lot of us joked and said, oh, you're a government
agent. Seems like you're a federal agent or something the way you're posting. What
What do you mean MAGA communism? It turns out it was the one true way to usher in an era
of worker controlled democracy. Okay? Yeah. Guess what? Yeah. What's the color of MAGA?
red. What's the color of socialism and communism? Red. Pink. Someone said Hasan Piker should
not be trusted. Okay, man.
Uh, okay. Well, let me get this straight. Communists are bad and will destroy America,
but he would be the greatest communist in history. Cool.
Yeah, Jacob's liberal mind cannot comprehend that Donald Trump is a true revolutionary thinker.
He has read the theory and now he's engaging in the praxis.
Okay?
He's read the theory.
What's the color of Nazism read?
No, it's not.
What?
No, color of Nazism is black.
I mean, I guess red a little bit, but I feel like the color associated closely with Nazism
wouldn't be red.
It's red is is for socialism brown
Is black or brown
Bro you say that is a joke but Trump did usher in an age of China prosperity and precedent for mum Donnie I
I mean, I happen to believe that there is no such thing as a spontaneous revolution, and
that revolutionaries must always organize and take advantage of the evolving material conditions.
This was an opportunity for sure, but that does not mean we are opportunists.
Zoramumdani was an assembly member before he was the mayor. Zoramumdani was in the Democratic
Socialist of America as a cadre member. Do you understand? Like, if we're being serious
about this for a second, I'm joking about the, you know, Trump stuff, obviously, but
if we're going to be talking seriously about it, revolution is not spontaneous. It doesn't
happen like that. It can only be brought about through diligent organizing, through education,
through political education, through fomentant class consciousness, and funneling people into
political organizations that can actually make an impact in moments where it matters most.
And the democratic socialists of America are doing that in some way. Revolution is
an electoral man it's not but it doesn't matter you know I just hopped on and
I'm in Iran is the war really back on my exams might get cancelled
right less revolution and more like new management for the Dems yeah I think for
lot of people, they fail to recognize what the DSA is doing. They fail to recognize what the goals
are here. So they just, they think this is like unproductive, but they don't have any alternative
to what is productive. Okay. Anyway, let's continue. Let me state the obvious. Those progressive
candidates won in Deep Blue New York City. So it is not exactly a full referendum on the midterms
in November, and moderate Democrats have been doing well in races far more likely to decide
control of Congress. But we cannot ignore that Tuesday's primaries were an undeniable sign that
Americans are tired of the status quo. And this is bigger than than one city or one mayor. Progressive
candidates are hoping to ride this wave in races all across. Yeah, this is work gets reduced only
to electoralism because you aren't organizing with them. They do a lot of other shit like
EWOC and tenant organizing in most chapters. Exactly. Exactly. And a lot of that still
feeds back into the electoral route because electoralism also opens up like new pathways.
And a lot of people discount all the other work that the DSA does in its local chapters.
But, you know, it's just, most of the people that complain about this stuff, they actually
have no alternatives, either.
They just have no solution.
They just want a chirp, much easier to chirp than it is to actually, you know, dial in
and do the work.
Um, Tana AC codes, uh, also had a convo about Chevrolet, but before we do that, let's talk
about Maylock heroes.
The nation take Abdul El Sayed, for example, he is a progressive former public health
official endorsed by Bernie Sanders running for a competitive seat in Michigan to replace
retiring Democratic Senator Gary Peters.
He told Politico this it's happening in New York.
It is happening in Michigan.
I think we are seeing it happen across the country now.
are sick and tired of being sick and tired. Or take a look at what's going on with...
Contra City years ago, they don't want power. They want to endlessly critique power, buddy.
I don't know how to break it to you, but that's what Contra Points has been doing herself
for like the last couple of years. Okay? It's ironic because that's what she's been doing to
to people like myself.
That's what she's been doing to people who are actually,
you know, actively taking the initiative,
taking matters in their own hands.
So it is quite funny.
Oh yeah, this clip went super viral.
It went semi-viral on,
I think it went semi-viral on Twitter,
but it went super viral on TikTok as well.
But anyway, let's do this first.
I'm also Francesca Hong, a candidate running
on the Democratic Socialists of America campaign
and playbook is looking to win the governor seat there.
She is gaining traction in the polls and says,
it is time Wisconsin and Democrats tried something new.
I was at the Democratic convention this past weekend
and we, I got asked over and over again about
we love your campaign, we love what you stand for,
your policies are amazing, it's so thorough,
But can you win?
I wouldn't be running if I didn't think we could win!
Nice!
And this all brings us back to Colorado and the race to watch on Tuesday.
Mela Keros is a 29-year-old Democratic socialist giving incumbent congresswoman Diana to get her biggest primary challenge in nearly 30 years.
Kiros is an Ethiopian immigrant, an attorney, a barista, and a PhD student.
And Mellot Kiros joins me now. She is running in the Democratic primary for
Colorado's first congressional district. Good morning. Thanks for being here.
Thanks for having me, Jacob. How are you feeling? What stands between you
and victory on Tuesday? Right now we're feeling fantastic. We're
seeing millions of dollars being poured in by corporate packs and super
packs and anonymous super packs with dark money.
But we know for a fact that we are going to be able to beat all of those dollars because we have thousands of volunteers knocking on doors all across the city, talking to our neighbors about the values we care about, the policies that we want to see and the world that we want to live in.
I've been watching the race relatively closely and digging in over the last couple of days and you are running the strongest challenge to Diana to get in 30 years.
Why do you think you, someone with no political experience, at least in the vein that she has it, is resonating with people?
I think candidates have a responsibility to meet voters where they're at and that's what we started with this.
We are burning here in Poland. Do you still hate Polish people? I love Polish people, man. Please stop.
What the hell is this?
The heat waves, huh, is that is that was cooking, cooking the Polish people campaign
over 11 months ago and bookstores and coffee shops and bars and restaurants meeting voters
where they're at talking about the concerns that they have not only about our government
but the state of our country right now
and how we are actually gonna move forward
and what kind of policies we need to get that done.
And in Denver, we are a city
that is extremely progressive, extremely young.
We've passed things like universal pre-OK,
like term limits, like publicly financed elections.
Our campaign is the only campaign in this race
with every single one of those issues on our platform.
We're resonating with the voters
because we're fighting for the things that they care about.
The acrimony in this election has sort of turned up
and progressive leaders in your state
are criticizing you, declining to call the deadly firebombing attack last year on a Jewish
community rally in Boulder, anti-Semitic, and you both have been criticized over your
comments tied to October 7th.
Views over Israel seem like a common line of attack between Democratic socialists and
mainstream Democrats in all of these primary elections, but what's your response to members
of your own party, especially the progressive Democrats in your state who are criticizing
you?
You know, I think what happened in the Boulder firebombing was a horrific attack
on a group of Jewish people that were peacefully protesting and has made many Jewish people in
our city and our state and in our entire country feel extremely unsafe. And that's why I think
it's incredibly important that we distinguish between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism because
our responsibilities to protecting our neighbors, protecting our Jewish brothers and sisters
in this city, that is my commitment to combating any hate that comes their way while also
making sure that we are not using our taxpayer dollars to fund endless wars and genocide
are brought protecting babies here and protecting babies out.
I wonder how you would characterize Diana to get's campaign against you because 48 hours
before you and- Yeah.
The reason why it's important that you phone bank, by the way, I briefly mentioned this,
but a lot of people that have been phone banking have found out that a lot of the
boomers in Denver unironically bit the propaganda hook line in Sinkr and think
that like Melikeiros is a vicious anti-Semite. And it's, it's interesting because they don't
even think she's a vicious anti-Semite because of her affiliations with me. They think she's
a vicious anti-Semite on her own, okay? Because Diana DeGette has been running this
insane smear campaign, this unbelievable smear campaign where she's like using crazy right
wing blogs like Colorado polls and shit like that. Um, there's a lot of PAC ads that are
coming in. Um, you know, it's, uh, it's, it's actually worked, uh, to a certain degree. So
it's pertinent on us to make sure we combat that misinformation, make sure we combat
that, uh, that wave of, of attack ads. And, uh, a lot of you have been, uh, phone banking,
the phone banks are still going on. You can canvas as well. Okay. Um, Diana to get a straight
up doing Trump levels, xenophobia. Oh, wait, Jacob Sobroff is about to mention me here.
That's funny. Um, but, uh, yeah, Diana to get is running on Trump levels, xenophobia.
Her attack ads claim may like curious, isn't from Denver, but may lot has lived
here since she was 11 months old. Like Mayloth, Diana was born abroad. Yet she
positions her as Colorado raised while Mayloth is cast as an outsider. Wait, Diana was born
abroad? Diana the kid who was born abroad too?
We also was happening and more Democrats need to condemn this. The ad also parrots a
misleading attack leveled by the Getz campaign that Kiros recently moved to Denver. Kiros's
family moved to Denver where she was 11 months old. She grew up in the air before
Leaving to a thank god she returned to Colorado after being fired from a law firm.
Oh, she was born in Japan.
Nani wakurimashita.
Diana Edige-tusama.
Tachi, Tashikawa, Tokyo, Prefecture.
Nippon desu.
She was born in Nippon desu.
Oro.
What the fuck are you doing, bro?
What do you mean?
Sorry, Japan mentioned.
They're gonna run this as an ad-law?
Yeah, they're gonna be like this guy.
What?
This guy doesn't...
This guy knows Japanese. Is that what they're gonna say in the ad? Hassan Piker, democratic
socialist, speaks perfect Japanese, shocks the world. Is that what they're gonna say?
They're gonna say Hassan Piker, radical, secret Japanese, trying to infiltrate the American
political movement. Anyway, you actually hit that shit pretty well. Thank you. Yeah, Hassan Abisam.
Are you power clashing with the...
What respond what is the response people like this? I do fear woke 1.0 type perfections and coming to the socialist movement
These people exist in real life. What is this? AOC is backing Jeffries for speaker. She's as vile as Harris
I don't agree that she's as vile as Harris. I think that's crazy, but I do think that she is
Far more careful
Then then what this moment requires that's what I think I think AOC plays it
Maybe too safe Zoran said the same thing too, and that's my criticism of Zoran as well
But then I'm gonna be honest with you
I'm gonna be honest with you with Zoran at least like we've seen the immediate return on investment. So
Every time I fucking make
Every time I'm critical of
Zoran, I mean, there are still certain criticisms of Zoran that I have that I think are valid even to this day
You know Jessica Tish being one SRG being another one stuff like that is still
Hanging a somewhat of a shadow on his otherwise unbelievably positive governance, right?
However, every other decision that he's made that is pragmatic that is politics
I have been critical of every step of the way and then it turns out he was right.
I've mentioned this already with the whole like don't run against the Kim Jeffries meta. I was very critical of that
Bro, taste your dogs some more. You got it. You got it. Um,
um, anyway, not my Carla. So I think like maybe being a little bit more ambiguous with your, uh,
you know support or lack of support for Jeffrey's probably good because he is one of the biggest pro-Israel
He's one of the biggest Israel stooge is in Congress right now. You know what I mean? I
Find that unconscionable. I mean he's been a bad leader of the party. I don't think that's a I don't think that's a that's a secret
Right. He's nationally unpopular. I think the problem with a lot of New York politicians
And that regard is that he's popular in New York and he commands a lot of power because
he's the most powerful Democrat in the country.
So they play it far too safe with the Kim Jeffries.
And I don't think that's appropriate.
But then again, I've been wrong.
So who knows how this plays out?
see what I'm saying. Yeah, I vaporize Carla. Come here. Come here. Come. Good girlie. Good
girly. Place. Look at that. See that? Vaporized. Destroyed. I kind of think it's low key good
the left to have a charisma list void as a leader. Oh, you mean for the Democrats? Yeah.
I don't agree. Anyway, because he is vindictive, but we shall see. We'll
she'll see. Maybe I'm wronged. Livestreamer Hassan Piker was, we're supposed to hold an event at the
the Ogden Theater. I think it was the venue canceled the event. This is a couple of weeks
ago due to pressure and concern from the local community report said in the rally was moved
to the Capitol steps. I saw this crowd. It was enormous. Tell me that story. What was
What was behind that whole situation?
We had several venues cancel on us, the week leading up to the rally that we were going
to be having, not only with the Sondpiker, but with several other candidates, including
Justin Pearson and Donovan McKinney, my fellow justice Democrats, where we were going to
be talking about what we were going to need to do to not only change our party, but
to fight for our kind of politics that really meaningfully helps working families
and uplift them.
We saw several of those venues cancel on us at the very last minute, and while
they can cancel and and take us out of the buildings that we were holding in
these rallies they can't stop us from building this movement so we took it to
the people's house we took it to the Capitol steps and we gathered hundreds
almost over a thousand Denver voters that wanted to hear our message and
stood strong with us Denver is is not New York but I wonder if you have
taken any lessons from watching Missouri mom Donnie's slate of
progressive Democrats win on on last Tuesday Denver is not New York but
Denver actually rates socialism higher than we rate capitalism by four points.
And you know, when I talk to voters about what we're doing and why I'm a democratic socialist,
I remind them that we have socialism already, right? It's in the roads that we drive on.
It's in the schools we send our kids to. It's in the fire stations we call upon.
I'm just asking that we extend that security to our healthcare, to our housing,
to our nutritional food, to our higher education, so that we're actually meeting the basic needs
of everyday working families in this country so that we're not just getting by and surviving
so that we're actually thriving. And in the wealthiest, most powerful country on earth,
we're not asking for much. You mentioned healthcare and one of your top policies is Medicare for
All. But Diana, to get as a co-sponsor of the Medicare for All Act in Congress,
are there any dividing lines between the two of you on Medicare for All?
Yeah, the dividing line is how we actually get it done. There is no world where we
be passed Medicare for.
Yes, Janking Kyle alongside many others started
Justice Democrat, Troy Scott was early Justice Democrat guy
and he's like carried that flame as well.
Oh, wow.
There's still a majority of members of Congress
that are taking money from the very health insurance
companies that would effectively be legislated
out of existence.
It's the same reason why the National
Nurses United's policy director also expressed concern
for members of Congress that are co-sponsoring this
bill while also taking money from big health insurance
companies. And we have to pass Medicare for all. We have to get that done in the next
Democratic administration. That's how we MAGA proof our future. That's how we guarantee
that whatever sick a fan fills Donald Trump's shoes in 2032 and tries to lay blame on all
of our vulnerable communities for why the system is rigged, we can point to a piece
of legislation that we passed that meaningfully helped working families. And the only way
we get Medicare for all past is by getting rid of the Democrats that are actively
standing in that way by taking money from the same interests that don't want to
see Medicare for all past. You have made your personal story as an immigrant to
this country a part of your campaign and you have talked about how your father
spoke to you about Democrats as a child which is why you you want it to be a
Democrat and and sort of part of your origin story is why you decided to run
in this race. Talk to me about why your personal life story makes you
suited to be the congressperson in Colorado at this moment. Yeah you
I immigrated to Denver in 98 when I was a baby and watched my parents navigate this brand new
country and navigate the immigration process. And once they became naturalized and chose the
party that they wanted to belong to, I asked him why he chose the party of Democrats. And he said,
because this is the party that fights for working people. This is the party that got
bare labor laws, the new deal, social security. This is the party that fights for working people.
But it didn't just happen overnight. People had to push the party to fight for these kinds
of policies that was organizers that was dreamers that were people pushing leadership in our party
to fight for working families. That's what we just saw in New York City. The voters pushing
the party to elect leaders that are going to stand up to the special interests and the
billionaires and the corporations that are responsible for burning our planet and keeping
our prices high. I think that's what we're going to see here in Denver on Tuesday and I
think we're seeing it happening all across the country.
Moderate Democrats are worried that that the shift to the left.
She's such a good communicator, by the way. Straight up. She's so good, so fucking good.
So dynamic. This is one of the things that I have to also say.
What is this? Zynaz are desperately trying to create their own Hasan and failing miserably.
Oh my god. I don't like the beat. Oh god.
They've made a wario me. Okay. It's fucking annoying.
It's so wack dude, Mossad, Mossad Abi.
They invented Hasbarabi.
That's what they did.
should probably put that on the original tweet. Delete, repost, and then...
Leftovers returning, somebody said in the chat, yeah. Well, Ethan does love him.
Hit Pangement at work, yes or no? Boss makes a dollar, you make a dime, King.
Take some autonomy back.
So ran Cosbarum Dabi.
Oh, nah, I know onk ain't wearing a toothpick.
Yeah, I am, dude.
Toothpick.
The toothpick changes your life, dude.
It's my life.
Anyway, toothpick changes everywhere or policies put forward by democratic socialists will hurt
Democrats long term electoral chances and we've heard over and over again yet democratic
socialists continue to win.
What do you say to that criticism from the establishment part of the party?
I point out that they've shown no evidence for why any of these policies would hurt
the party in the long term.
In fact, there is a mountain of evidence that shows up.
Apparently you're more chud than Republicans, according to some leftists, I swear I can't
anymore.
Oh dude, I know, I see it all the time.
My favorite thing is the ACP guys saying that Asmingold is closer to class consciousness
than I am and that Sneeko is a better leftist than I am.
The ACP guys are running on pure reactionary fumes and it's so funny that like their
whole thing is just like hating me and everything I do and it's it's become it's become this
like insane thing where as we go who owns like seven fucking businesses they will they will
literally go on Twitter and sincerely be like as many gold is actually far more based
than Hassan like I saw that.
Yeah, the MAGA Communist.
It's awesome.
ACP's Literatures to FBI and Trapping grew GRU assets.
Yeah.
Huh.
Anyway, so it's aesthetics based. I don't know what it's based on. I don't even think
like they're, you know, is a general secretary. Like, Hawes is as dumb as the unfortunate
Rankin' filers of the ACP, the ACP cadres are on Twitter, but there is definitely a lot of enmity.
There is definitely a lot of maybe even envy, anger, resentment towards not just the DSA, but also
you know, shit that I'm doing.
Why don't you wear a rainbow button up for a month? Do you hate pride? Thank you for
for attention as matter, true, true, true.
I think Asmengold is a representative of the working class,
a lump in pro, well, he's not a lump in pro.
He is a business owner, right?
He is a capital owner,
but his audience is all comprised of lump ins.
His audience doesn't have fucking businesses.
They're just all unbelievably reactionary weirdos
who, you know, live in their own filth and think that that is an appropriate way to live.
There are all of a bunch of shut-ins that will, you know, comprise the backbone, I guess, of the modern fascist movement.
So, all right, what am I doing?
Let's talk, let's finish this.
The policies like Medicare for all, housing first and universal child care would be immensely
helpful to working families and therefore helpful to the party.
At the end of the day, it is cheaper to house someone than to leave them homeless.
It is cheaper to heal someone than it is to let them go sick.
It is cheaper to give young families child care than it is to let them figure it
out for themselves and or force one of them to stay out of the workforce.
These are all common sense policies that have the support of a super majority of the voters
of this party.
I would recommend that the moderate voters that are afraid of what they're seeing right
now actually just talk to their voters and see that this is what the party is actually
building towards.
Maylach, Keros, Democratic candidate for Colorado's first congressional district.
Really nice to talk to you.
Thanks for being here this morning.
Thank you, Jacob.
But you decided to wear suits and Tyler decided to drop them.
Good.
My name's Maylach Keros.
Denver is the fifth least affordable city in the country.
It's also one of the youngest cities in the country.
Dude, I'm gonna say one more time.
Denver DSA has been quietly so impressive
with their canvas operations, with their media.
I mean, it has been remarkable, okay?
Straight up all glazed and all praised at Denver DSA.
I know that like, obviously New York City DSA
the one that everybody pays attention to. It's 15,000 strong at this point. It's a huge army,
basically, of door knockers, organizers, activists, and they've seen a lot of success.
One of the things that Denver has done, Denver DSA has done, is Maylock canvases are on track to
knock close to 10,000 doors today alone. This is the most insane shit I've ever seen in Colorado
the public's even Obama in 2008 wasn't pulling this type of canvasser crowds okay we got it
we got a draw more youth turnout though straight up it's it's clear though that Denver DSA is
Reliable resilient and they're doing the motherfucking work. Okay
It's not just Denver DSA the whole Colorado DSA bodies working on this shout-out Boulder DSA. Yeah, I'm yeah
I just the entirety of I mean, it's the same as like when I say New York City DSA
I'm talking about like the entirety of New York DSA
Huh and DSA doesn't tell the volunteer army to stand down like Obama did no we're gonna keep using that
obviously. Shout out to the entire Colorado DSA. Shout out to everybody in Colorado.
It's been incredible to watch. I mean the media is so good too man. It's so good. It's been so
impressive. Also one of the most progressive districts in the country and you know we
We have things like universal pre-K and term limits and publicly financed elections, but
we have a lot of young families that are struggling with childcare.
We have a lot of young people that are getting priced out of the city because of how expensive
it is to live here.
People are just getting squeezed.
Our representative here in Denver, who's been there for 30 years, has taken money
from a lot of these corporations that have been staining in the way of passing meaningful
legislation.
I felt called to run because we should have representatives who are unbought and unafraid
to stand up to these interests.
I'm Palestinian and I think you're the biggest loser.
You should be banned.
You're the biggest loser and a horrible person from a Palestinian.
You have the mental ability of a turtle.
How are you not banned?
Okay, buddy.
I'm ready and willing to fight tooth and nail for working families and the basic
rights that they deserve.
We've been running for the last 11 months a truly grassroots people-powered campaign.
I'll never forget when Bernie called on people to run themselves to be...
Ban me, kid.
I will not.
I will never ban you.
Why would I ban DJ Khaled?
Why would I ban Naib Boukele?
Why would I ban Richard Hananya?
I would never.
wouldn't dare. Why would I ban the son of Hamas guy? Why would I ever ban Ahmed
Flood Al-Khateeb? Why would I ban Nasdaily? Why would I ban
Who else? Who else? Who else? John Aziz, the peace poet.
Most of Hassan Yusuf, that's the son of Hamas.
Ban me now. My whole family loves you because you're Palestinian and but you're a horrible person. I'm not banning you.
I'm not banning you, Ahmad Fooat Al-Kateeb.
He 100% doesn't know these names, yes, but he is them. He is all of them.
I'm sorry that your whole family loves me, but they're very upset with your worldview.
Maybe you should listen to them.
I'm Palestinian and I find you pretty chill. Does it balance itself out? Yes.
That's how it goes. One in, one out. Also, I'm not Palestinian. I'm Turkish.
My family all got kicked out of Gaza by Jews, but you're still a bad person. All Jews aren't horrible.
Okay. That's interesting. I don't think all Jews are horrible at all. I don't know where you arrived at that conclusion.
That's strange. I don't even, I don't associate Israel's actions with Judaism at all.
But that's interesting that you think that for some reason, where'd you learn that?
The person who stands up and fights for your communities and so to have his endorsement,
it means everything.
You've had a heck of a week. I mean, we're gonna we're gonna do the Zoran. We're gonna
do the zo, the zo momentum, the zo momentum. Zoramum Dany Democratic Party has to be willing
to fight for working people. This is ABC News interviewing Zoramum Dany. Great clips
have come out of this already. A lot of aura moments. Okay, a lot of aura. A lot
or a lot of movement, a lot of motion, a lot of momentum, so momentum as they're calling it.
The election, the candidates you endorsed won down the line and you knocked off two
Democratic incumbent members of Congress. Is this like a unique moment in New York or is
this the beginning of a national movement? I think we are seeing a hunger that is not just
felt by New Yorkers but frankly by Americans from coast to coast for a new kind of politics.
one that puts working people at the heart of it.
And I think for far too long,
what we as a party have been able to say
to New Yorkers who are struggling
is simply to explain why they're struggling,
not actually offer them a vision for how to make life better.
And these candidates, Brad, Daria Lisa, Claire,
they ran campaigns that spoke to working people
and that said life in the nation's most expensive city
need not be this way any longer.
And I can't wait to have them as partners
in DC and that work.
So do you see yourself endorsing candidates
outside of New York or?
For now my focus is on this incredible slate of three congressional candidates as well as
as you said the five candidates I endorsed who ran and won who are all going to be heading
to Albany and the state legislature.
But I do think as you said it's not just New York City where working people are asking
themselves why can't I afford my rent, why can't I afford my groceries, why can't
I find enough money in my pocket for child care no matter how hard I work.
And I'm so excited that these incredible soon to be Congress members will be
helping to lead the fight across the country on making sure that working people are right
there where they should be, which is the heart of the conversation.
The reaction from Democrats has been something.
You've had some prominent Democrats dismissive of what happened here.
I mean, you had Senator Blumenthal say the effort to nationalize New York is going
to fail.
What happened in New York will be really irrelevant by the time of the elections in November.
Hakeem Jeffries basically said the same thing, saying that this is not indicative
of what needs to happen in November.
What do you make of that?
You know, I think that when you ask Americans
what they're feeling in this moment amidst reports
of an economy that's strengthening
of a stock market that's booming,
you will hear an exhaustion at having to try
and make ends meet every single day,
every single week, every single month.
You're literally more anti-Semitic
than Kai and Wespa sure chat.
Everyone unfollow this horrible, horrible person.
Buddy, where does this come from? Like, where did you learn this? Like, who duped you into
believing this? I don't know why you're not answering this question. These guys call Zionism
a mental illness? Like, literally a horrible person? Yeah, Zionism is fascism and all,
manner of fascism is mental illness. Yes, Zionism is racism. Ironically it's the
ideology. If you are Palestinian, your whole family got kicked out of their
homes. That is the motivating ideology that caused your family to lose their
homes at gunpoint. Brody is a Nasdaily clone? Yeah. Is this a Asmold fan maybe? It's common
knowledge. Yeah, my grandma told me stories about how she got kicked out of Gaza at gunpoint.
right? Okay? Still doesn't make it right to say what you say? So you think the ideology,
the racist ideology that justified your grandparents getting kicked out of their fucking villages
at gunpoint, calling that racist ideology what it is, racism, is one anti-Semitic for
some reason because you're claiming that all Jews think this way and that this ideology
something to do with Judaism, I'm not. And you're saying that that is like, um, that somehow an
anti-Semitic opinion? Is that what it is? Still doesn't make it right to say what you say. You're
not saying what I say. Bro, you literally support Hamas. How are you even talking to me? What
What do you mean?
I support the legal right of Palestinians
to resist against a settler colonial occupier entity,
which is a long way to say I support all people's
right to autonomy, to sovereignty, to independence.
That's what that is.
i support international law
that's it
i support international law
he's trying to get you banned to say he's faking being palestinian for a clip
i mean i i don't know if he's faking being palestinian or not
um...
you know
but uh...
I'll clarify my position. Maybe this person will understand.
Resist bomb kidnap innocent people. No, that's Israel, buddy.
I'm not, I'm not in support of that.
What do you mean? Resist bomb and kidnap innocent people.
That's Israel. I'm not in support of that. Excuse me.
Where are you coming? Where are you coming up with that?
What is this? Who seriously likes Nasdaily? Oh my God. Of course. Of course, dude. Two
Osborists. Anyway, let's continue. It's getting harder and harder. And so a message of fighting
with the working people, we don't have to nationalize that message. That is a national
It's the national crisis.
And for far too long, all we've had to say as a party is opposition to the current administration.
What do we have to say beyond that?
And what these candidates offer is a vision that extends beyond the midterms, it extends
beyond 2028.
It speaks to what makes so many of us proud to be Democrats.
It speaks to a vision that goes back to a new deal understanding of what working
people deserve.
And I'll tell you that for too long, that kind of politics, you can only find
it in history books.
we need to bring it back to the present day.
And you're hearing some not just dismissive though,
there's resentment.
And this is from fellow Democrats who think
that this could jeopardize democratic chances in the fall.
I mean, you've got Josh Gottheimer,
a Democratic member of Congress.
So many of us believe, as do I,
if you're a socialist, you are not a Democrat.
And in fact, they put out a manifesto today.
Have you seen this thing?
Sounds pretty socialist to me.
It's not a communist manifesto.
That's,
Revisionist!
It's not bad to write manifestos!
Zoran!
God damn it! You fucking liberal!
Don't use socialism as a pejorative!
Even if it's to make a singer!
It's a moderate manifesto.
Saying, we are capitalist, not socialist, we believe.
What about October 11, buddy? Asmongold is right about you October 11
Asmongold is right about you. You're an Asmongold fan. This says I'm an anti-Semite
Dude, why are there so many Asmongold fans that literally will be like
He has no Asmongold logs. Yeah, I don't know what this guy is doing
But it's always funny
It's always funny when like people will come in here and be like, you know, who's not an anti-Semite?
Asmingold, Asmingold openly says he is a funnel for Nick Fuentes, okay?
Asmingold is called Nick Fuentes' statements about the Holocaust denial base
It's so strange whenever people, my mind's like October 11, never forget
Yeah, as men gold said your people are an inferior culture that has genocide baked into their identity and you deserve to be
genocided. Okay. I mean, you're, I don't know what fucking frequency you're on, buddy, but openly revealing that you're an as men gold
fan while simultaneously saying you're a Palestinian is hilarious.
That is an Asmol and Pegaslav viewer. I don't understand how people can just like lose sight
of reality about their own people and he's right about Hamas and Muslims and God's supporting
the genocide of Jews? What the fuck? Dude, you have lost your way, man. No wonder your
family doesn't talk to you anymore. Jesus Christ. Nobody wants the genocide of Jews,
chatter. Well, you know, Nick went as might, but you know, that's a separate thing.
The growing fair and competitive economy, entrepreneurship, ownership. And this is a
Palestinian guy who comes in here to be like, my whole family loves you and that's why I hate you.
Why won't they love me instead? I don't know maybe because you fucking genuinely believe that like all Muslims and Gaza want to
Genocide the Jews and in an litany of other insane statements like that that justify Israel's genocide weirdly enough of your own people
Perhaps that's the reason
Read a book man read Rashid holiday, okay
Read 100 years in Palestine. Read Ilan Papae 10 minutes. Read something. Please
Please stop watching youtubers myself included go outside, you know, enjoy the world pick up a book
Okay
In the name of Allah read
He must be like a Christian Palestinians saying Muslims got one genocide it doesn't matter if you Christian Palestinians wouldn't also say that
either. Like, Ihab Hassan is anti-Hamas. He would never fucking turn around and say,
all Muslims and Gaza want to genocide the Jews or whatever. He would never say that.
Actually, response, they've made it clear to what you did here on Tuesday.
Well, you know, that's great, but what's a party if not its voters? And I'm proud to sit
in front of you as the mayor of our city having received more than a million votes,
little over a little less than a year ago. And when we're talking about these incredible congressional
candidates, they won their races and they won their races with a vision of what politics should be
and one that actually speaks to working people. And for a lot of people who ask themselves,
what does democratic socialism mean? And you can tell them the answer at a theoretical level.
It's the choice to extend democracy from the ballot box the rest of their lives. But
in terms of what it means over these last set of months, we've seen a city with-
Dude, that's another incredible line. What is a party if not its voters is an incredible line because
it directly cuts away at this weird propaganda that like right-wing Democrats are trying to present.
I tweeted about this earlier today. I said, right-wing Dems yell at us not to vote third party
every four years. We run leftist and Dem primaries. Socialists win Democratic primaries
because voters realize they're actually invested in advancing the agenda. Right-wing Democrats
simply lie about. And then right wing, the Democrats demand socialists create third party.
Rinse and repeat. Who does a political party belong to if not the voters? Is such a great
answer. He's on a generational run. Oddly it empowers him that he can't run for president.
And I hope Republicans are dumb enough to try to make him the face of the Democrats. Yeah.
Because like, there's got to be a reason why the Democratic party's voters are going out and
voting for democratic socialists, right? They're the ones who are voting.
One must ask the question why they're voting for democratic socialists.
is like you can't this was the new york one is also um really interesting because it's a closed
primary system and in a closed primary only democratic voters are voting okay so if in a closed
primary system only lifelong democrats are going out and voting people who are registered to vote
for the democrats are going out and voting for the democrats that means these are your voters
And obviously, right-wing Democrats can't criticize the voters even though they really want to.
So they tried to do this disciplining operation against the Democratic Socialists-electeds.
They try to do this disciplining operation against spokespeople for this movement,
myself included.
What they don't like is that voters want this, okay?
But they can't openly say that.
They can't openly be like, this is what the voters want and we fucking hate it.
Why don't you shut the fuck up and just vote for us?
They can't say that because that would look insane.
But that's basically what they're trying to say.
Do you understand?
And the reason as to why there's appetite for this kind of politics from the Democratic
Party is because the Democratic Party by and large advances this agenda even if they're
not sincerely on board with it.
And you don't hear Democratic socialists turn around and be like, why are you guys
lying?
Why don't you run?
don't you just abandon the Democratic Party and become Republicans because you are, right?
You guys run on wanting to, you guys always run on, you know, socialist or socialist adjacent
policies but then you never implement it and the voters end up asking why you don't
implement these policies, right?
The reality of the matter is, a lot of these right-wing Democrats are just Republicans that
are ashamed, okay, they're ashamed of the moniker.
That is the reason why there's this massive friction now.
That friction does not exist between Democratic or like right-wing centrist, Democratic-electeds
and Democratic-socialist-electeds.
That friction is actually right-wing centrist, Democratic-electeds and the base of support,
voters
no one is going out and voting in the polls because they're like i love
you know the lighter version the more moderate version of the the
racist policies that the republicans are advancing and that's why i'm a bit
that's why i'm voting for the democrats they vote against republicans
or they vote because they genuinely believe that the
democrats are going to advance these causes that they're supposedly
uh... claiming that they're going to advance
no one is voting for a corporate stooge because they love
the the uh... corporate back stooge is in the democratic party no one
no democrat is voting because they're like i want moderate democrats to be
uh... you know in support of israel permanently there's a avenue for that
there's a route for that
and that route
is the republican party
if you're antagonistic to the existence of immigrants on american soil one of
the most diverse countries on the fucking planet
there's a route for that there's a party for you
it's called the republican party
democrats are not the party that says
we are not a nation of immigrants were not a nation of strangers we have to
do away with this notion we are going to be the reasonable anti-immigrant
party no one is voting for that
at most people are plugging their noses and voting against the republican
fascism. It's so ridiculous.
Anyway, let's get back to Zoran.
democratic socialist principles at the heart of it within our administration.
And what we've delivered has been record lows when it comes to
murders and shootings. So is it pragmatic democratic socialism?
I think democratic socialism at the heart is pragmatic
because if we cannot deliver for working people then what is this for?
I'm not interested in writing a manifesto or frankly in reading one.
I'm interested in delivering and that's exactly what we've been showing.
But they're saying he said put down the theory it's time for praxis.
Zoram-Mundani calls out theory nerds. Zoram-Mundani calls out theory nerds, says it's time to put the pen and paper down and get to work. Roll up your sleeves. It's praxis time. I'm about delivering results, he says.
I think that if you're a socialist, you're not a democrat.
I mean, is there room in the party for both of these views?
Yes, here I am.
Here's so many more.
And I think what makes our party a beautiful party is the fact that it's a big tent, that we have...
But you've also said it has to be a party with a spine, with a backbone.
Yes, even the tent has to stay up.
Yes, so, you know, does it have to stand firmly for these ideas that you're talking about that others are calling dangerous?
I think it has to stand for working people, and I think it has to be willing to fight for working people.
And I think that there are some who are offended by the prospect of a party that knows who it fights for and goes every day to work for that.
Because what we've seen over many years is a willingness to not only explain away the status quo,
frankly even to look to benefit from the status quo. And that's not what working
people are looking for from our part.
Yeah, Zoran said the philosophers of the world have here to for only analyze the
world in various ways. The point, however, is to change it. That's what Zoran
Mamdani said. No one else actually. Zoran Mamdani invented that right
there as New Yorkers were going to vote. You said something interesting.
And you said the race for 2028 starts now, the presidential race.
Bars.
What did you mean by that?
Well, a lot of pundits asked me about this race and what it means and how to think about
it.
And at the core of Tuesday's results was a message from Democratic voters across the
largest city in the United States of America about the kind of politics they want to
see.
And we know that we oppose the cruelty of the federal administration.
What is it that we stand for beyond that?
So you can't just be anti-Trump.
Can't.
You got to have something you are not I do not think he likes Marx though seems like a social Democrat
Um
It's actually interesting that I've never talked to Zoran even in private about his ideological tendency
um
And certainly not in public, but
I I don't
I mean he's quoted Gromsche and stuff like that obviously
I I I do believe that he is a socialist. Um, you would have to go through, you would have
to go through his older videos and stuff like that at DSA conferences to pick up on what
he is word on the street is he's a trot. I hope not. That would be devastating.
If I recall, he was part of bread and roses in DSA, but yeah, some of his older videos,
some of his older videos, like some of his older like speeches from conferences and whatnot
Obviously, we're far more radical and that leads me to believe that he definitely is,
you know, he's definitely, he's definitely well read. I don't think he's like,
he's described himself a little bit of SMC and BNR.
Maybe he's a passatus. Yeah, dude, he's a passatus.
Uh, what's wrong with trots?
I mean, in this day and age, um, I feel like they've, uh, they've, they've abandoned some
of their previous, uh, counter-revolutionary tendencies, but a lot of trots are so aggressively,
uh, anti-USSR, even if trot, uh, Trotsky himself was not all the way to the bitter
end, his writing on Stalin did get used quite frequently by not only the CIA, but a lot of
capitalist anti-communist. His writing is the backbone of anti-communist thought in the
the Western world, it's just true.
And I feel like the trot tendency is almost, although he was fairly pragmatic and obviously
a profoundly important part of the revolution initially, a lot of trots will always behave
as though this is like a revolution betrayed and that that there's just there's it's too much of a
too much of a splinter that there was this idealism there was this idealistic USSR if only trot if
only Trotsky had won and not Stalin and then you can always point out to the excesses of the USSR
and say no, there's this like pure socialism that exists out there. There's this pure socialism
that exists out there that has just never been achieved and the USSR actually betrayed the revolution
and Stalin specifically betrayed the revolution and the USSR became like a degenerative
worker state that wasn't like real socialism.
And I think that
I think that ultimately that laid the foundation of a lot of anti-communist thought in the Western world.
So, some of the trots will take hardline stances that is borderline anti-communist, anti-socialist
when it comes to actually existing socialism or actually existing socialist states or rather
attempts at creating a transitional socialist state.
I'm not just willing to stand up for it, but that you're also willing to explain how this
is relevant to working people.
And I think this just comes back to the fact that I'm leading a city that's the wealthiest
city in the wealthiest country in the history of the world.
I could end the sentence there and say that life is great for 8.5 million people, but
it's also a city where one in four are living in poverty.
for far too many americans those contradictions have become their day-to-day life
and we need a party that's able to recognize
the strengths of this economy and understand that it hasn't reached enough
people
now you know there's been a lot of attention what one of the candidates use
for the one who knocked off an incumbent democrat is
uh... darlisa billa shall be a she said some very common
you know critiques of actually using socials was in exclusive the trots
right adorno and hork are not trots nor is angela davis yes
Angela Davis is an anarchist.
Of course, I know there are plenty of critiques of actually existing socialism.
Ultimately, none of these states were allowed to fully go through this transition without,
without unbelievable interventions from the outside.
Anyway, all of these distinctions are...
All of these distinctions are stupid, I think.
I don't care. I don't give a shit.
See, there is no AES because it's supposed to be international.
Controversial things including calling for the abolition of prisons, couldn't say whether
not somebody who had committed murder, should be in prison, called for open borders, against
all deportations, including those of violent criminals.
Are those positions that the Democratic Party could win on nationally?
I think what the Democratic Party can win on nationally is a focus on working people.
And I think that what I saw from Daria Lisa when I would walk the streets of her district
was a focus on what she describes as a politics of life.
She would talk about how we have to invest in babies, not bombs.
He's now going to represent what is one of the poorest districts in the United States
of America.
And what people in that district are exhausted by is a politics that has justified the spending
of tens of billions of dollars in killing civilians overseas while working people
are struggling just to do the basics.
But how does abolishing prisons or having open borders fit into that?
Miablamak, you're literally Turkish. You're literally Turkish. You're literally Turkish. Okay?
Worry about Erdoğan.
Don't want to hear from you right now. Okay?
What kind of coalition did you set up, brother?
Did you do it?
Where are you?
Communism, the West.
You bring it or working with Democrats.
Okay, we don't bring both of us then.
Thank you, sir.
You see how those are ideas that a lot of your Democrats that are warning about what happened
here say are toxic.
Most of America won't go along with it or bad ideas, they're dangerous ideas.
I think what the focus of her race was, what the focus of her candidacy was, was about
the struggle that working people are facing.
And I think that we can have disagreements on policy positions.
What we have to agree on is what are we fighting for and who are we fighting for.
She showed that in her race and I think that many people will come to appreciate
that in her leadership to come. So we can disagree on something as basic as whether or not there
should be prisons? That's not your position. There are prisons and what we're also showing
in this city is that safety is not something that's up for debate, it's something that
we're actually delivering on and I'm proud to be the mayor of a city that currently
has the lowest recorded number of murders and shootings in recorded history in New
York City. So it was also a take, it's not just Democrats, you've probably heard
President Trump had to say about you and about the candidates you supported and he warned that if
socialists win, he calls you communist. But you will start living.
That's a decent answer. I think mine is better. I think that her worldview or the goals that she
wants to move in the direction of center empathy and albeit they're unachievable in this current
day are still probably closer to the average person's perspective than those who are in Congress,
who believe that Israel is a great force, or is a wonderful American ally, or those who
are in Congress who believe that we should maintain private prisons.
Depending on rehabilitation to reduce recidivism in this country as many countries already have,
like Norway, is probably a far more equitable and just answer to this issue and creates
a long-standing solution.
Two-wordy gang leave marrying the Big Z. Oh my god, oh my god.
I know, I know, I know.
That's why he's the mayor and I'm a fucking streamer.
I know. I know. I mean, he did a, he did a far better job on dealing with this. He did a far better job in dealing with this.
Then, then I think AOC even did as well.
The average American or even anyone over the age of 25 thinks they should do El Salvador in their own countries.
I'm sorry. No, I know. I know. I know.
I know, I know there are a lot of insanely reactionary opinions when it comes to crime
and punishment.
It's one of the, I don't understand tankies, I'm new to this, help me.
What?
Tankies?
God, I hate this fucking term so much.
Ay-ya-ya-ya, dude, what are we talking about, dude?
Campus, tanky, these terminologies don't exist anymore and should not exist anymore
because there is no Cold War anymore, okay?
There is no camp to be a part of. You're either a part of the fucking Imperial hegemonic superpower,
or you think other countries in the periphery should be given room to breathe. That's it.
So if you are someone who thinks maybe we should stop murdering brown people in the
global south, you're automatically classified as a fucking tanky. It's just an online
LARP, we have to stop. We have to do away with this online LARP. Okay? Campus only mattered
as a statement, by the way, shout out to the fucking trots. Okay, once again. Campus only matters
as a terminology if there are camps that you can be a part of and the trot position is supposed
to be no camps. Okay? Not USSR, not American imperialism. We're a secret third thing. Okay?
Where is it?
Yeah, the secret third thing CIA
Anyway
It's very it's very stupid to utilize terminology that like British
life-style is invented during the suppression of the Hungarian counter-revolution or during
the Hungarian revolution, depending on your ideology there, that the USSR used brutal
techniques of utilizing their tanks to squash dissent in Hungary, okay?
This is not a thing that exists in the world right now.
What is the militant force that is carrying the torch of communism around the globe?
China's not doing that.
That's a crazy take, bruh.
Sorry.
You're saying campus doesn't exist today.
I'm just saying that like, campus-um, okay, just like the term tanky, just like the
term campus is something that people misunderstand, is a term that people misunderstand and misuse
and abuse over and over again.
hit that button it's a thought terminating cliche it's a thought terminating term and it's really
fucking annoying because people that like misunderstand where these terms come from and misattribute these
terms to whatever their political opposition is it's just a way to say fucking terrorist right
it's just a more intellectualized version of saying terrorism you're a terrorist you're
supporting terrorist. Terrorist is this, terror is that. That's all this is. It's just like
an annoying liberal version of literally saying that, okay? Which many liberals do also just
straight up call me a fucking terrorist.
Anyway.
Campism has existed though, right?
Yes, it has, but what camp exists?
You either are pro-nato-Atlanticism, pro-American imperialism, or what?
What is the other unified block?
Is it Russia and North Korea? Is that it? It's barely China. Like, what is the self-identifying
unified bloc against American imperialism? Because like, if you say it's being pro-China,
right, being in the pro-China camp, then what is the pro-China camp? What has China done
as far as identifying and destroying attempts of further American encroachment and American
imperialism, nothing. Just existing? Is that it? Like the BRICS is not a real camp.
If anything, I guess the axis of resistance is one of the only like militant forces that
is directly combating American imperialism in one region, right? But that�s it.
So called campus do view a somewhat unified blog of anti-imperialist states, Russia, Iran,
China, etc. But what countries fit into that depend on the flavor of the person. Sometimes
you excludes like Burkina Faso. Sometimes it includes like Burkina Faso in the West
African junta's. Sometimes it excludes China, etc. Exactly. And that is because there's
no like real unified anti-imperialist block on the planet right now. The only thing
that you could closely associate with a unified anti-imperialist movement is unironically
the axis of resistance from Ansarallah, the Hamas-led Palestinian resistance, Hezbollah,
and numerous other IRGC-aligned forces and the IRGC itself.
But that's it.
China certainly is not a part of some sort of like resilient anti-imperialist movement
in the way that the USSR was, right?
Russia certainly is not.
wouldn't say Russia is. What is this? Framing the present crisis via the old
Cold War moralism won't work. Oh yeah, this is about me. Eric Levitt's called
me a campus or a tanky or whatever. Framing the present crisis via the old
Cold War moralism won't work that the US can now be seen as a vicious and
amoral empire is progress. Our responsibility is to change it, not to
seek retroactive justifications of comparison to something worse as
John Gaddis used to say, bingo, I was just thinking campus it makes no sense outside the polarities
of the Cold War, and you expressed this perfectly. Yeah, you can't red bait without the reds, you know?
Like what, what militancy can you offer material support to with the exception of, I guess, like
the the acts of resistance, which you can't because it's like unbelievably illegal.
And even then it's not the same as a Cold War dynamic because there's no, like, beyond combating
imperialism as a direct consequence of the existential crisis that many of these groups
are facing in their own regions.
There is no ideological block alignment either.
It's not like the IRGC or Hamas or Hezbollah are socialist or communist.
They're just purely trying to survive.
purely trying to allow their people to survive against Israeli militarism, against American
militarism, against American intervention, and intervention with aligned forces, forces such
as the Gulf States, for example. So that's it. That's it. There's no real unified block that
you can show support to or be in the camp of. Yeah, libs use misuse campus to mean reflectively
siding with the power or believing the US is generally in the wrong? Yes. And it's ironic
because campism initially meant you're one of two, you're part of either camp, right?
You're either part of the capitalist imperialist powers, which is the United States, which
Which is literally the only remaining camp that exists because the US won the Cold War,
Western capitalism won the Cold War, the USSR lost, communism lost, right?
This guy invented being a trot from first principles.
Look, I mean, you could just agree that all sides are wrong.
This is what I mean.
This is my disagreement with the idealized version of events that trots seemingly hold
on to or or even left comms at different points seemingly abide by where it's like you don't
understand. There's this secret thing that has never existed and that revolution is not
going to be ugly or have issues and blemishes and excesses and being critical of said excesses
to understand what they were to make sure that they're not repeated is very different
then I'm in favor of a secret thing that has never existed.
You sound so idealistic.
This kind of like purest attitude
is never going to be pragmatic at all.
That's why I'm far more pragmatic
and understand why Dengue's reforms happened
in China, for example.
A lot of people are dogmatic in their approach
Marxism. A lot of MLs are somewhat, the anti-revisionist MLs are dogmatic and they think that the
only way that real existing socialism can be implemented is through a Marxist-Leninist
formation that leads the proletariat into a revolutionary state and is completely
uh... commanded by a marxist lennon's party
in star wars
the coolest characters of the centers
the secret thing isn't secret it's my discord server yes it always comes back
to that. It often just seems like you lump trots anarchist left comms of
Western Marxists into one group often. I mean, this is just this. Perhaps there's
a reason for why I do that because that's usually what Western Marxists
are. Let's be fuckin' real.
Imagine in 2033 revisionism is considered centrism, that'd be great.
This is a combo that came out of a chatter asking if Mum Donnie is a secret Marxist.
What the fuck? Yeah.
This is such a bad take, so disappointing, bruh. I know, I know, I know, I know.
My, my thought on this is I'm agnostic, okay? I'm in favor of all of it. Any and all, okay?
Socialist ideological tendencies, any slash all, I guess except for anarchism.
That's it.
We'll figure it out along the way.
Fuck you and your daily punching down on anarchities?
Sorry, anarchists are also profoundly important in direct action and mobilization.
Okay?
They're in the motherfucking frontlines.
irrespective
being a squalor there'll be no food no housing no military no law and order
there'll be nothing
uh... and he had a few other choice words uh...
by the way also said he still likes you
uh... but what do you what do you make of what he i mean the democrats
Republicans are going to make you the poster child for the Democratic Party.
Let them.
We don't have to ask ourselves what life looks like when a socialist wins.
I won last November, and over the course of these last six months, what we've delivered
for working people are the very things we were told were impossible.
We've delivered free childcare for two-year-olds for the first time in New York City history.
We've delivered tens of millions of dollars back to tenants who were taken advantage
of by bad landlords.
We've delivered 165,000 potholes being paved, and we've done all of these things while also
delivering the lowest recorded crime in our city's history.
That's what it looks like to have democratic socialism and what your s—
That's it.
And that is—this is precisely the reason why I say he is still a movement guy, okay?
Regardless of whatever kind of criticism I might have at any given moment, some
of which I was wrong on, and I openly will admit that, I'll eat that, you know?
some of the criticisms I still hold and maintain. He is a real one. This is the point. Okay.
First you run as a Democratic Socialist and you run on issues. Okay. You run on how you're going
to improve people's lives. Then you win. And then I can point to that and say, look, see,
he did it. You can too. Other people pay attention to that. They go, I like winning.
I would like to do that as well. Then, from that point on, you govern as a democratic socialist.
You associate democratic socialism with a clear, definable agenda with identifiable goals that
you want to advance. And you achieve those goals. And then you reinstill confidence in good
governance and you associate good governance with democratic socialism, okay?
And then you expand on that victory.
You take the momentum off that victory and you continue organizing and you continue
mobilizing and you add more numbers. You add more numbers as others who are also
also, running as democratic socialists, winning as democratic socialists, and governing as
democratic socialists.
This is how you do it.
And this was why he was elected in this position of power to not only deliver a radical agenda
for New Yorkers that places New Yorkers first, that places the working class at the heart
of this movement, but will actually deliver on results for the working class.
And when other people see that, they go, why can't I have this?
I want this as well.
It makes good governance an achievable goal, a realistic goal.
Okay?
That's it.
So every victory that he notches
is not only a victory for New York City and New Yorkers,
but a victory for the movement of democratic socialism.
okay it proves that a more responsive politics
is achievable it proves that a politics that centers the working class is
achievable it creates confidence in this movement
okay it emboldens this movement
it restores confidence in good governance
and it identifies good governance with democratic socialism.
This is exactly what he was supposed to do
and he is doing it, okay?
It's fantastic.
Seeing is that New Yorkers experienced this for six months
and made the decision that they wanted to see more of it
on the national stage as well.
Can a democratic socialist get elected president?
I think a democratic socialist can get elected.
What do you mean?
Your criticisms are things he didn't campaign around.
I mean, there are certain things he didn't openly
say that he was campaigning around,
like associating good governance with democratic socialism.
But he's doing that because that's
a part of a broader working class focused movement.
That's number one.
Number two, there are certain things he said he was going to do, like disbanding the SRG,
keeping the headcount for the MYPD the same.
Those are promises that he made on the campaign trail that he hasn't followed through on.
So those are still, I think, reasonable critiques to hold Zoran accountable on.
But ultimately, inside Hassanabashim there are two rules, positive support for socked
M governance, intense support for highly restrictive and authoritarian theory.
How are you going to go from left bashing the laser focus on socked M governance?
Because unlike you, and unlike many people, I understand where the American people are
at.
I understand that there is no vanguardism in this country because there's no Marxist
Leninism in this country because there's no class consciousness in this country, okay?
That's it because I'm pragmatic
Okay, because I'm fucking pragmatic. What differentiates that from Mussolini thought that's awesome from Mussolini thought
Because it's objectively anti-fascist
Jesus Christ
You think Mussolini was was basing his theory off of dialectics
dialectical materialism, or do you think that he was personally
aggrieved by the existing Communist Party in the country?
Okay, intense authority with no worker input. What are you talking about?
Are you saying Mussolini is a Marxist Leninist?
is that the argument that you're trying to make? Is that literally the argument you're
trying to make?
What is this fucking argument?
Why is it turning into misunderstanding theory Sunday?
God damn dude, left comms fucking loop around.
Back to any matter of authority is actually the same as fascism, existing fascism.
Mussolini known communist party member of course, I mean he was.
By the way he literally was, that is true, he was that.
But that is before he became what he is known for, which is fascism, which is obviously,
has nothing to do, and is directly antagonistic to communism.
Anywhere across this country for any position, what I think we need to bring is a focus
on working people.
And that's the direction that the party should go in.
Yeah.
Saying Mussolini as a communist is like saying Van Jones is a malice third world
Obviously, theories evolve, right? People change.
Opportunists exist of all different sorts.
Fascism is the highest stage of opportunism.
And in terms of selecting a candidate for 2028.
I think the direction that the party should go in
is how best to fight for working people.
I think we need to have a platform and a vision
that doesn't sound as if it was cooked up by consultants,
but instead one that you would say in response to someone who's asking,
asking, why can't I afford my rent? Why can't I afford my groceries? Why can't I afford my
child care? We need to make clear who we stand for, how we're going to stand for them, and
that we're actually willing to fight for them when the going gets tough.
Obviously Israel was a big issue in these races, not the only issue, but a big issue.
Is there room in the Democratic Party for candidates off officials who support Israel,
not just support Israel, but support military aid for Israel.
This was a huge issue for you.
Well, I think what we've seen is that the time for us as elected officials to pronounce
what the party should be is one that should come to an end and we should let Democratic
voters themselves take the lead.
We've seen, on Tuesday evening, we saw Democrats' turnout in districts across this city to
make clear that they were tired of tens of billions of dollars being spent in
our taxpayer dollars to violate international law, to kill thousands of civilians.
And you and I know that right now the way that Palestine is described is as if there
is a ceasefire.
That's the language that's typically used.
More than a thousand Palestinians have been killed in that ceasefire.
And what New Yorkers want to see is a politics of conscience, a politics of clarity, a politics
of conviction.
And to follow international law, to believe in the humanity of all people, it shouldn't
be a journey too far, and I think that our party needs to hear what Democrats are telling
it.
Democratic Socialists of America now says they no longer favor a two-state solution.
Is that the way you see it as well?
Dude, it's so funny to think that, I mean, I hope all the DSA cadres in the chat are
aware of what's about to take place, because the next national convention is not only
going to be featured on the Hassanabi broadcast.
It's going to be featured on CNN, NBC, ABC, ZBS, ZNN, Fox News.
It's already being featured, but it is really funny to think that last year's national convention
was what?
Like I was there.
Who else was really there?
What major media outlet actually covered it?
But imagine, imagine parsing through the decision making process as to why a single solitary
secular state was voted against at the DSA National Convention as it was done last year.
It's so funny.
He must be the smartest dumb guy I know.
What? So if I recall correctly, the DSA voted against that. And then a lot of the outsiders,
a lot of the alters were very mad about that. And they were, but the decision for why they voted
against it was because they said, look, this should be up to the Palestinians. We shouldn't
be enforcing secularity on the Palestinians, which I think is whatever. It doesn't matter.
We're fucking Americans. You know what I mean? Just like, like I understand where it's coming
from. The only difference between you and Mussolini is that he reached the conclusion
that pandering the reactionary populism. Okay. Theory is when worker councils. Oh
my God. Theory is when worker councils are dissolved. Didn't Mussolini say, didn't
say Mussolini was a communist though. Workers of Marxist is literally an essential part of
Marx and Lenin. The only difference between you and Mussolini is that he reached the
conclusion that pandering to reactionary populism is a much easier way to come to power than
mass electoral politics. Your new deal ideation is the same politics as the Italian fascism,
both FDR and Mussolini agreed on this. Oh my God.
Chatters, I need you to live in 2026. In many ways, your assessment is not this similar
to the people on the left that you oppose the most. Judging by this take, I suspect,
I mean, actually, I don't know. You might be, you might be an ML. But judging, judging by this take,
this is no different than saying that the only way to achieve, the only way to achieve socialism
is literally the exact same methods that were deployed by the Bolsheviks. Okay. In 2026,
trying to compare the conditions, the material conditions of an agrarian peasant society like
Tsarist Russia to 2026 industrially developed United States of America. Okay?
It's pure. It's pure. Name a book that disproves this law like actually back up what you're
saying other than trust me bro. This is not, first of all, even the Leninist interpretation
somewhat went against the Marxist assessment that was that industrialized nations with
a labor force would probably be the real implementation of socialism, which demonstrably
did not work. Okay? It didn't. The two most successful, internationally renowned,
communist revolutions took place in largely peasant societies. Okay?
Agrarian USSR or Zara's Russia and Mao in China. Okay. These were peasant back revolutions.
Oh, I look back and you had the OSS loss at the National Convention. Yes, it did. One state one state solution
that is secular loss at the National Convention.
You have to rigorously interpret the current existing material conditions and apply theory
to those current existing material conditions in a country that is at the heart of empire
like the United States of America, a country that is at the heart of imperialism, like the
United States of America, that is the domineering force to the defender, the main defender of
international capitalism with a workforce that does not resemble the peasant force at
all, with advanced industry that was so advanced that they moved beyond it, they moved to
finance capitalism, which has now eviscerated what existed of like the industrial base
of the industrial labor class, and their industrial labor force, is going to have a dramatically
different approach, okay?
This is uncharted waters, it's untested, it's untested theories, we're all working through
it right now.
Do you understand?
You either want to adopt a dogmatic approach.
You either want to apply a dogmatic approach that you or some people either want to apply
a dogmatic approach to actual existing socialism that has worked, and then apply this one-size-fits-all
mentality to a country that is dramatically different than any other country where socialism
has ever been implemented or been tried or has been attempted, okay? Or you have a pure
idealistic framework that you're, your pure idealistic framework that you're approaching
this issue with has never even existed around the planet. The real socialism hasn't been
tried mentality. Rather, the strategies that you want to employ are the ones that are
equally as old as the ones you view as outdated and thus risk-screw any attempt to build a
larger movement in getting it subsumed into mainstream bourgeois politics.
What do you suggest?
Let's start there.
Well, the idea of two states, Palestinian, Jewish states, side by side, living in peace.
The way I see it is equal rights for all people.
And I think that that's the truth for Israel.
It's the truth for any country in the world.
And frankly, as we're coming up close to the 250th anniversary of our nation, one of
the things that makes me proudest to be an American is the belief that equal rights are
at the bedrock of our notion of what it means to be an American.
And the idea of a Jewish state, Israel's a Jewish state that's in the charter, that's
the way it is now.
Do you support that?
I've said time and again that I support the state of Israel as a state with equal
rights.
I believe that any state that presents...
It doesn't Jewish state is the closure.
I think any state that privileges one religion over the other is one that I can't
tell you I support, whether it be Israel or Saudi Arabia or anywhere else.
Good answer. I mean, this is perfectly within the confines of the liberal framework. A lot
of people will say this is normalizing, this is normalizing, he's a Zionist or whatever.
It's not true. Okay? It's not. Israel, as it currently exists, is an ethno-state
project and that is completely antithetical to liberal humanitarian values. So it's
good to utilize that framework. Because it's an inherent contradiction, okay? It's contradictory
to everything that liberals have learned, everything that self-identifying liberals have
learned about the world and about how the world should exist. Okay? That's it.
It's a great way to say, it's an ethno-state. I don't think ethno-state should exist.
No, it's a great answer. Would love if he leaned into a New York City specific multiculturalism and how that's his vision for America, not ethno supremacy.
Yes, cinemaxism. I don't normally say this, but you are correct on this.
And this is something that I think I should probably deploy as well more frequently, making that comparison between an ethno-state project in Israel under the banner of Judaism, falsely claiming that this is a goal, a project that all Jews support,
is not dissimilar to our own version of ethnic supremacy that exists, that we have a dark history of
championing at times, right? White supremacy. When someone comes out and says, we need Christian
nationalism, America is a Christian nation-state, everybody understands what that person is saying.
Everybody understands that that is actually antithetical to the American values of
of building a robust multicultural diverse society, right?
So why is it that we place Israel in its own special category?
It's ridiculous.
And a lot of that comes back to a fundamental belief
that we should all be considered equal no matter what our faith is.
How big a problem? You said it's rising.
There's anti-Semitism in this city.
We've seen anti-Semitism rise in the city. We've seen the fact that Jewish New Yorkers comprise a minority of our city's population
And yet continue to come. Zorn is employing a dog whistle. We recognize my others do that
I mean even dog whistling in and of itself
I think implies that like his ultimate moral position is wrong, right and like you have to shelter
You have to hide your your moral position. I don't think I wouldn't I know what you're saying
I mean he is in some ways
liberalizing
uh... his anti-zionism making it more palatable
making it more palatable that's what he's doing
is he is definitely an anti-zionist as a mine
but i think he is
uh... softening his approach or rather
uh... making his approach more palatable
uh... to the
to the way that uh... liberals can understand and i think it's good he's
he's doing he's doing a great job with this
i don't think is it that i don't think dog was a morally charged term he's
signaling to his base he means
what he means while framing it in liberal terms that don't explicitly say no
in israel with equal rights is not israel's a currently exists he's
saying no without saying no when they ask him does israel ever i'd to
exist
Ultimately, the morality behind his sentiment has not changed.
Ultimately, the goal has not changed at all, right?
It's a good thing to do.
It's pushing the boundaries as much as an elected representative can.
Because when you're an elected representative, obviously you have significant limitations
in what you can and can't say.
You can't be ridiculous.
You can't be silly.
can engage in like the agitative propaganda that I engage in, right? Agit prop of the
sort that I deal with is very clearly looking at what is right at the edges of the confines
of permissible speech and then hoping to expand it towards the left, right? Pulling
by force liberals or self-identifying liberals into understanding the world from our perspective
And that is the reason why I do the thing where I say like, you know,
I'd vote for Hamas over Israel a thousand times over Hamas is a thousand times
better than Israel. I'm a harm reduction voter.
Things like that that I say are, are, um, they're not wrong,
right? But it's also by design.
I'm like deliberately trying to get liberals to understand that,
that between these two forces,
like one side is,
is closer to being on on the righteous side than the other. A lot of liberals obviously
have a significant hang up, right? They can't, they, when they're like, they've never, they've
never thought about like why Palestinians resist. They understand the Palestinians are being
destroyed, dominated, killed, murdered, but anything that moves beyond the perfect victimhood
narrative they they can't cope with they can't they can't deal with their life
what do you mean they're fighting back that's unacceptable so what's the
alternative that they should just you know quietly take it quietly eat it
just be killed Israel has been an aggressor since even before 1948 when
Israel was was invented, right? So the notion that people are not going to harbor resentment
towards this initiative that is exterminating them, that's actually ethnically cleansing
them by through militancy from their ancestral homelands, I mean, it's completely completely
ridiculous. Of course, people are going to fight back. So the question I always try
to get people to arrive at is like okay so you save free Palestine you say you're for free Palestine
but you don't like the people that are uh uh you know shepherding the the current and the current
formation of the Palestinian resistance you don't like the people that are in charge okay so let's
work through that what are some of the reasons why you don't like them you go okay October 7 I
say yes October 7 had numerous atrocities and even war crimes having said that however
Do you feel like the evolution of the Palestinian resistance got there because these guys are barbaric,
racist monsters or Jew haters in the way that it's been presented? Or do you think this is a
consequence of 80 years of apartheid and occupation and ritualistic humiliation of the Palestinians,
death and destruction, controlling their diet? You can't put yourself in the shoes of
the Palestinian population.
Yeah, I agree. And I don't hear Zoran saying this. Yes, because he's an elected representative
in New York City.
And his primary purpose here is to govern and govern well. Okay.
And unfortunately, he's made a different calculation than someone like myself at this point, where he recognizes that if he fucking came out and said those things, then the conversation would no longer be about, you know, how there's a, the lowest murder rate the New York City has ever seen in its entire history.
The conversation will be about how Zoramumdani is a Muslim-communist radical who wants to do fucking 9-11s every day in New York City.
It's always, there's always a give-and-take and a push-and-pull, okay?
We all occupy different lanes.
And a part of his goals as a movement leader is to not only govern well, but to show the
rest of the country that he is governing well as a democratic socialist.
And in order for him to show the rest of the country that he's governing well as a
democratic socialist, he can't constantly get bogged down on distinctions between, or
bastardizations of his message, and they would absolutely fucking aggressively
prosecute him in the same way that they are me, if he were to turn around and be
like the Palestinian resistance is a legal right to resist against Israeli
occupation. I think there will come a time, I think that eventually there will
come a time where everyone will have been against this, right? Where everyone will say yes, there
were atrocities that took place in the hands of the Palestinian resistance, but this was a direct
byproduct of 80 years or, you know, 90 years of occupation whenever people inevitably arrive
at this conclusion. They will. But I'm not going to say that he's doing a bad job overall
because I do understand where he's coming from, even if this attitude actually sometimes
puts him at odds with what I'm doing.
in majority of the hate crimes that have been
provoked in this city. And that's something that's unacceptable. It's something that we will
never come to see as if it is a part of life. It's something that has to be fought
and rooted out of every one of the five boroughs. What did you think when Dan Goldman,
that coffee shop in Brooklyn said that they wouldn't serve him
because of his support for Israel? You have a problem with him and the idea of
you know, of an establishment like that
saying they're not going to serve somebody if they support Israel.
I've said that I have political disagreements with Congressmember Goldman.
I do believe that that's a response that goes beyond that.
So that's not the right kind of thing.
No, I think it's much better to keep that critique in the way that we've done it.
OK, so we're just about out of time.
I got to ask you, I noticed that you're turning 35 soon, right?
A few months, yes.
So you now hit one of the constitutional requirements to run for president.
but there's another one that says you have to be a natural born citizen you
were not born here yes um but do you think that's a that's a something that
should be changed in the Constitution we take an amendment but do you think that
that's we should change that no no the Constitution looks good the way it is
just the way it is I'm very excited to focus on New York City but thank you
for reminding me of my upcoming 30 years old 35 years old yes sir
Sure. Thank you very much.
Kim Jeffries, your future colleague, was asked about these races and he seemed to downplay
them by saying some of those races were in higher income districts with an outsized focus
on issues connected to them.
Yes, dude. Zoran and I are the same age. Muslim anti-Zionist socialists. I've never
felt more directly represented in American politics in this very moment.
Not that it matters at the end of the day, obviously, but...
I'm going to pick...
The Middle East.
How do you respond to him characterizing, potentially conceiving, seemingly your race
that way?
Well I think it's, it just is a misunderstanding of what this community is because this is the
second poorest congressional district in the state and by some measures the country.
And when you have a poverty rate of 26 percent, a childhood poverty rate of 40 percent, right,
that speaks volumes about what our priorities are in our budgets and I view our budgets
as moral documents.
We can say that we love our children, we can say we value education, but if time
time again those are the things that are being defunded and underfunded while the war machine
is constantly getting more and more money thrown at it you know I think that says much more about
where our values actually lie. Is Port Hakeem Jeffries' leader? Not necessarily I would like
to have a conversation with Port Hakeem before we you know make those determinations. I think
again you know I'm here to represent this district and this district is one of the most
left progressive democratic socialist districts in this country. It's full of working class
people and immigrants and working families that are struggling right now and they want to see
leadership that understands that really deeply and that's ready to fight for them.
A big issue that dominated your election and many other elections across the city was of course
Israel-Palestine. I understand you've had sort of a journey that you've gone through and
engaging with the issue. Could you take us through how that journey first began?
Yeah, I actually had the privilege of visiting Palestine when I was 20
and it was 2014 and while I was there I was living in Nablus and just meeting a
lot of people and traveled around the region and it was a very formative
experience it was one that really taught me a lot not only about the
Palestinian context but also about our own context here in the US. I want to stop
sending money for Netanyahu's wars I don't want to spend any more military
aid I believe Israelis won't be truly safe until Palestinians are free I'm
I'm going to be one of the Jewish members of Congress who's boldest in support of
Palestinian human rights and I'm going to stand up strong against bigotry against Jews.
I'm Native American, Mexican American. My family has been shaped by displacement,
by colonialism, and I think coming from that I have, you know, Genocide.
An understanding of the project of American Empire and so a lot of sympathy and understanding
for people who are being oppressed abroad.
I also come from the labor movement.
My union was one of the first major unions to call for a ceasefire, to call for an arms
embargo.
And union members were on the front lines fighting against apartheid in South Africa,
were on the front lines of fighting apartheid in Israel.
And that kind of idea of like deep international solidarity that the working class of the
the world is more united, has more in common with each other than we do with the war profiteers
and the war machine that tries to destroy us, I think is really foundational for my politics.
You were a part of the pro-Palestinian chemists, and now you're in Congress, representing the
district that Columbia was in.
And I believe you were arrested at the demonstration right at Hamilton Hall.
How is that trajectory from being a part of the chemists now representing the school
for which they allowed police officers to arrest you all?
It's a very surreal experience to go from being on campus and at the encampments and
then thinking back to it now as we're stepping into a very new role.
And one where, you know, the day that the encampments began, Congress was actually condemning
the students on the ground and now to have someone who was there with them stepping into
this role is just truly surreal and I don't think I'll have words for it.
She's going to be in charge of a district that also features Columbia University, which
is her college that demanded her arrest and prosecution.
That's crazy.
For quite some time.
I think we've seen over the last two and a half years, obviously like 75,000 people
murdered, millions displaced.
At the same time that our lives are getting worse here, you know, we can't afford
rents, childcare, there's so many people who are sleeping on the streets tonight and instead
of investing in lives of dignity here, we have been bombing refugee camps abroad.
Hasan, the corporate Democrats are planning on fighting DSA and corporations will help
them.
How do we win in the situation?
Great question.
So I talked about this yesterday a little bit, but corporate Democrats have never stopped
fighting against their left flank, whether it takes the shape of the democratic socialists
of America or whether it be its affiliates, whether it be the Bernie Kratz, they've always
done this, right?
And right now we're winning.
It's not like they stopped fighting.
It's not like they were like welcome to the fucking fold, welcome to the party.
never stopped doing this, right? And my attitude is that is exactly why they lost. So it's
important for us to explain that to them, right? Here come the four months of centrist
attacking the left with far greater existential fury than they ever aimed at Trump because
they prefer Trump and helped him win.
Says Eli Valley, centrist Democrats, rebuke parties left wing. We are capitalist, not
socialist. And to them I say, bring it on. This is what they've been doing.
This is exactly what led to the demise of the Democratic Party.
This is what led to Donald Trump getting elected twice, not one, but twice.
Okay?
I said it's ironic that this pivot to the center is what caused the Democrats to lose
to an incompetent fascist twice.
And now there are far more Democratic socialist electoral victories because voters recognize
the failure of moderates.
So they have one speed.
It's like that pigeon trying to do stand up.
You know the meme I'm talking about where they're like,
come on, tell us another joke.
And he just like flips through the jokes
and it's always pivot to the center,
pivot to the center, attack the left.
That's what it is.
That's precisely what it is.
It's a crow, that's a raven.
Okay, whatever, it's not a pigeon,
but you get the point.
You get the point I'm making, right?
And
And there are clearly moneyed interests at play here that can muddy the waters, but you have to be able to out-organize it.
You have to be able to out-organize these people. And we can. And we have. Right? We have.
With Daria Lisa, that was a great example. Claire, that was another great example.
And I hope that Mela Kuros will be another victory for the socialist movement in this country.
AOC was talking about this earlier and I think she was 100% right when she said that the
center of the party has no affirmative vision to provide.
The only people who are saying that they will do and not what they won't do are the
Democratic Socialists.
Yes.
Here's AOC speaking this morning on I Heart Radio and then we'll see the response to
that.
to sign a pledge against socialism. And we say, okay, but then when you pull up this website,
they can't answer the same question that you just asked me, Sentida. There's no, okay, fine.
If you're against them, that's okay, but what do you believe? And that, I think, is the core
of the weaknesses from that wing in this moment. There's no affirmative vision really coming from
most places in the Democratic Party with the exception of Democratic socialism.
And they said, we're going to sign a pledge against socialism. And we say, okay, but then
then when you pull up this way.
Yeah.
They have no vision in the affirmative.
All they have is reactionary attitudes.
And this promise to America, like account
that I found out recently is not even run,
like I don't even know if it's officially affiliated
with the promise to America.
There's like new centrism, a coalition
that just got implemented.
One of a million, okay?
Whether it be the abundance,
whether it be the fucking, uh, you know, the problem solvers caucus,
they've created a new one, right? Oh my God.
So the promise to America,
the vision for America is mostly just a vision for Israel. Let's be real.
But, um, they respond with hi.
I see our promise to America isn't just about rejecting socialism.
It's a vision for the future. Our principles say it best.
We believe in an economy that works for everyone,
not just those already at the top.
We believe in secure borders and safe communities.
We want a government that works to solve the problems.
We want a politics of persuasion and Mosul. It's just vague platitudes.
The beauty of this kind of, the beauty of this kind of messaging is it literally is one size fits
all. That's you could be a Republican and say this. As a matter of fact, Republicans do say this.
Okay?
Republicans say this all the time. This is exactly the same thing that they say.
Do you understand?
Democrats cannot comprehend
That this goes beyond a simple branding issue that you haven't branded centrism well enough true centrism hasn't been tried they say
Okay, they are some of them are ideological zealots many of them are paid to be ideological zealots because they're mercenaries
Right because there is no guiding principle of centrism out there. It's not a real thing
Unless you're Lex Friedman who is the one true centrist
Okay
But they have no vision in the affirmative
Socialists do
They have a place that they want to move this country towards they they have an idea of what a functioning society looks like and they want to implement it
Meanwhile
Liberals are constantly forced
To respond to those changes because they're in the center and they are utterly devoid of some kind of
vision in the affirmative. So what they end up doing is like, if it's Trump that's like
moving the country to the right, they say, oh, we oppose Trumpism. We want moderate solutions
to mass deportations. If it's socialist moving the country to the left for the first time
in a long time, they say, oh, we oppose that. We oppose amnesty initiatives. We want
moderate deportations, a modest amount of deportations. That's it.
Yeah, 45 years old, the promise to America, D New York, 45 years old, but young at heart.
The king of zing loves to say, well, DSA is up to some monkey business.
I'm over here standing on business and other really awesome, useful shit.
And the problem for centrism right now is that if they're stuck between democratic
socialism to their left and Trumpism to their right and they choose to attack the democratic
socialism of their left because if they simply just attack maga trumpism on the right, then it
looks like they're aligned with the democratic socialism of the left. So they have to differentiate
themselves, right? And if they have to differentiate themselves with the democratic socialism,
they look like they are right-wing reactionaries. And to be fair, they are right-wing
reactionaries in this moment. And that's it. And that is very unappealing. That's unbelievably
unappealing to the Democratic base of support, to the voters, to the even independence that want
these changes to take place, that want these changes to be implemented. Meanwhile, here's
Donald Trump. Communism is the greatest threat to our country since World War I, World War II,
Pearl Harbor or 9 11 President Donald J Trump. That's my goat right there.
So joining us now to discuss are the two co-chairs of the Democratic social.
You can't tell them to get out and then in a presidential cycle tell them that they have an obligation to vote for you.
you. We're either a team or we're not. And at the end of the day, we, we all need each
other to our chagrin and to our disagreement. And to, to our, you know, great inconvenience.
All of us have to accept the reality that we need each other, whether we like it or
not. And you can't tell people to leave when you need them at the end of the day. And guess
what? Look at the point that we're at right now. You know, hopefully in November, we're
gonna be winning, Democrats are gonna be winning a majority that is healthy and sizable. But
if you look at this present moment, the House majority, both last cycle and this
cycle, was a difference of four to five seats, okay? There are now going to be four to five
Democratic socialists serving in the next term. So if you tell us to go, that we can't associate
with the Democratic Party, all of a sudden that's your majority right there. So whether we like
it or not, we need one another. We shouldn't be talking about going our separate ways,
because we can't survive without a majority and that goes in both directions. We're going to
have to figure it out, frankly. That I think is the first piece of it. And secondly, I think
when I first arrived to the house, it was, I, you know...
Is AOC speaking on an I Heart Radio show with Santita Jackson?
I was met with a tremendously hostile environment and it was obviously very clear that we were
not welcome there and they wanted to make us all, you know, they want to make me a one-term
congresswoman, they wanted to make many others I think a one-term congresswoman whether that's
Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tali or whomever. But I think that, you know, the attitude that I have
taken to this over time is that on our end, you know, when this hostility comes towards us,
we can respond with hostility in kind. We can respond with defensiveness.
But I think what I have learned over time is that I just have responded with, okay,
day, watch this work. Watch this work. And we'll go from one to two to four to eight to
twelve and people can go crying and, and, and, you know, be upset, but we'll just keep growing.
The thing is, if the Democrats, right-wing Democrats, centrist Democrat, corporate Democrats,
didn't lie every fucking four years, like they were on board with workers' rights,
a bold agenda that, you know, moves the needle in the appropriate direction for Medicare
for all, for example.
If they didn't actually take on that shine of the policies being advanced by democratic
socialists, which on its face, at least for the time being, is social democracy, let's
be real, okay?
Then so many voters would not have an appetite for this.
So many Democratic Party voters would go, wait a minute, what do you mean free college?
We don't want that.
I'm a Democrat.
I hate that, right?
The problem is, they have lied for years and years and made it seem as though this is what
they want, but when they're governing, they govern differently.
So now, there are people who are invested in advancing this agenda.
And now, they're winning.
So, let's start first, you know, major wins this week for the organization.
I want to start with the interview you actually recently did, Gustavo, and you said that after
the DSA endorsed then candidate Zora Mondani in October 2024, DSA membership has more
than doubled growing from 5,900 members to 14,000 members.
Did your organization see membership grow again after this most recent primary?
Yes, actually nationally we've seen thousands of new members pretty much overnight
and in New York City we're very close to 15,000. We think we'll hit that probably this weekend.
So, you know, we've had hundreds of new people who are energized by these races. I think these
big wins act as moments of political awakening. You know, that was my experience when I first
got involved in a race, which was actually Alexandria Ocasio Cortez's campaign and just
just seeing that as an ordinary person,
you can actually have an impact in the political system,
I think is really transformative.
So seven of the eight candidates at DSA
endorsed won their primary races this week.
Some of these candidates upceded long-term incumbents
like Congressman Adriano Espionts.
And some of the concern I've heard
is about unceding incumbents that have
some sort of level of power, like Espionts.
He did chair the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
I guess why target members that maybe
are in leadership positions?
Yeah, quickly it was actually nine out of ten races, so slightly better odds.
But the reason we chose to run in the races we did is because we look at data of past voting
history, we look at where members are, we look at where progressive and socialist voters
are.
But we also think about are the incumbents that we're running against fighters?
They will say out of one side of their mouth that they're running on their record,
But out of the other side of their mouth they'll say that they can't deliver certain things,
they can't deliver health care, they can't deliver protections for immigrant communities
because their hands are tied.
Both can't be true, right?
You either are delivering or you're not and for us they aren't and that's because they're
not organizing an office, they're not fighting hard enough in office and they're not sticking
to their promises.
So we want to replace them with people who maybe on paper have some similar ideas, but
are actually going to stick to those ideas, take it a step further, and not only empower
themselves in office, but empower their communities and build organizations outside of the halls
of power.
It often seems like, though, that the DSA tends to target Democrats maybe a little bit
more than Republicans.
Are there any seats that you guys are looking to flip here when it comes to Republicans?
In the past, we haven't really run in Republican-held districts.
I think it's something that we should look at in the future, because ultimately we are
aligned with the broader Democratic Party that we need to be fighting the Trump agenda.
We ran these campaigns on specifically fighting the deportation machine, abolishing ICE,
combating the wars that Trump is getting the country involved in, fighting funding
for Israel. So, you know, these are all broadly defensive fights against the far right. So
I do think it's something we have to look at in the future, but so far we've mostly focused
on Democratic primaries.
Now, there was one DSA candidate that lost on primary night, the nine out of the ten,
the one of the ten. Conrad Blackburn, who is challenging incumbent State Assemblyman
Jordan Wright. But there could still be, I think as many as 16 Democratic socialists
in the state legislature next year.
And Grace, I read an interview you recently did as well,
talking about how you had a conversation
and the DSA had a conversation with the Assembly Speaker,
Carl Hasty, about some of the concerns,
challenging incumbents.
Explain more about that conversation.
Yeah, I think it was a very productive conversation.
We were meeting with him to discuss our tax,
the rich campaign, in which I think Speaker Hasty was
mostly on our side and wanted to make sure that New York City wasn't in a deficit and
also was, is interested I think in the short term and medium term in raising taxes.
But Speaker Aste is also very protective of members of his caucus, which makes a lot
of sense and asks that we stop challenging incumbents, which is not something we can
do.
That's really a core piece of our strategy on how we grow.
We can't just sit around and wait for open seats and run for those, although we've certainly
had some success, including this year doing that.
But we have to challenge incumbents.
We know we'll have the opportunity to do that every two years.
And it sends a stronger signal when you take out an incumbent versus winning an open seat.
So there's a lot of reasons we have to do that, and we always strive to be honest
about our strategy and our dealings and we were honest with the speaker as well.
Do you think having more democratic socialists in the state legislature, do you think that
Assembly Speaker Carl Hasty should he continue to be Assembly Speaker?
In the past our electives have voted for him and I think we saw him be an ally in the
fight to tax the rich and I think that we want him to continue to fight to tax
the rich and to support an economic agenda for the working class.
So I think, you know, there's a lot that he can do to earn their votes again.
One of the things I also read that the DSA was sort of putting Governor Hockel on notice
as well, saying that this is a sign maybe that she should maybe bend a little bit
more next year when it comes to mom Donnie's priorities like taxing the rich.
Is this one of the reasons why you guys wanted to increase the number of DSA members
in the state legislature.
Absolutely.
I mean, the governor over the course of the winter and spring
bragged that she was not susceptible to voter
input or the desires of her constituents, which I think
she interpreted, or she was trying to project strength.
To me, it read more as petulance
and like a willful obstinance of against New Yorkers
and what New Yorkers were demanding.
And I think that the Tuesday results show strongly that if she doesn't come around, if she doesn't start playing ball with the New Yorkers, socialists, progressives, a broad coalition of people who are demanding.
It's so.
This is an interesting predicament.
Because
for Kathy Hockel,
She will be under attack for any cooperation with the DSA by moderate and right wing forces.
So she's in a dire situation now that this momentum is growing especially in her state.
So she also needs to get off the fence.
She has to lean into the growing momentum that DSA represents in her own state or else she's
cooked, and she might be cooked regardless.
I think that the rich be taxed in order to fund a state and government that works for
working class people, then she may not be long for the office.
Now I understand Hockles approach from political perspective taxing the rich is popular even
among independents and some Republicans she thinks this will hurt her in the governor's
race but I just don't see that happening.
What do you mean?
It's because she's beholden to those very same corporate interests.
That's it.
Okay.
That's it.
That's literally it.
She has to serve the actual masters here.
That's the only reason why she's not fucking leaning into this populist messaging.
Yeah, it's not the real base.
Elections at that level are not won by actual voters.
It's won because people don't want to vote for the Republican.
And the absence of real alternatives, right, because she doesn't have any, it's over
for her.
I mean, it's not like the state is not going to vote for a Republican. She knows that. So, she's trying to manage these two different coalitions.
voters on the one hand, which she obviously cares about, but not that much because it's
a lock, it's a guarantee after the primary.
And the coalition of business owners and corporate interests that will actively undermine her
if she doesn't lean into their needs.
I guess when people have been watching the rise of democratic socialism, I think people
like you too have been seeing this rise go on for the past few years.
But for some people, I think this really started appearing in their minds when Mayor Mom Donnie
was elected.
So I guess hearing from you guys in just a few sentences, which I know is always hard,
but help explain what democratic socialism is and what the mission is, here in Eirik
Study.
Sure.
of it, we think that we have democracy at the ballot box where people go to vote, you
know, every year, every four years. But that democracy doesn't always extend into the economy,
into people's daily lives, into the workplace where, you know, bosses have control over
the most important decisions of our lives as workers. And we want to put power in
the hands of workers. And we want to do that through fighting for transformative reforms,
like building affordable housing, making housing a human right, Medicare for all.
We think that the far right, the neoliberals have created an idea that the government can
only be an imposition and we think that collecting our resources actually can be a tool that
the government can improve people's lives.
I think that the mayoral administration has really been demonstrating that these
past six months.
Some have accused the DSA of what's known as a dirty break strategy using the Democratic
Party ballot line to advance socialist candidates with the ultimate goal of building up enough
infrastructure to break away from the Democratic Party eventually.
Is that how you both see this mission?
I think we're applying the game with the rules that have been set out.
We have a primary system.
We're running in those primary systems.
are reflecting their preferences in the election system that we didn't design. It was given
to us. So people who claim that we're playing unfair, I think are just being sort of losers,
honestly. They're... Got him. Yeah, I think one thing that's lost here, one message that
gets kind of lost in translation here is that a lot of these right-wing Democrats
in positions of power, these right-wing electeds, they're actually mad at the base, right?
They're mad at the base, they're mad at democracy, they're mad at their own voters,
but they can't run around and be like, my fucking voters are stupid for voting for these
pie-in-the-sky ideas like this, this high-minded idealism, how dare they go and vote for these
democratic socialists?
You know, how dare they not vote for us?
We're the moderates.
We're the reasonable party here.
What the hell's wrong with you?
Why don't you want to love a pro-corporate agenda that places the corporations over
your interests?
They can't say that.
So they try to punish the leaders, the elected representatives, the outspoken media
figures of this movement. That's it. I've seen this with the whole disciplining operation
around Israel. They recognize that the overwhelming majority of their voters actually don't fuck
with Israel anymore, but they can't openly say that. So they have to just yell at people
who are outspoken critics of the state and consistently lie about them and manufacture
outrage about them to engage in this disciplining operation to punish someone, anyone, with the
hopes that others will shy away, with the hopes that others will shy away from critiquing
Israel.
It's just one example.
Centrist Democrats have done nothing but vote scold, belittle incandescent and refuse
stopping, refuse to stop backing genocide.
I need you to find an army of highly motivated young volunteers who will door knock for
Capitalism in Israel's right to snuff out children intense brilliant idea van says Adam Johnson
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concentration camp for black people who have done nothing wrong but get sick and want justice.
That's all they've done wrong. If we can't close that death camp, if this generation
cannot prevent another Japanese-American intern in our lifetime, we should all get haircuts
and go get regular jobs and give it up.
You know what he did? Exactly that. He literally got a haircut and got a job.
It's ironic that he was just calling out his next shot
Anyway, Tana as he codes speaks on that Elyza
And and James Carvel's unbelievably racist approach to that Elyza. Let's take a look
Is there a better video clip of this this is crazy
I'm pretty sure there is actually hold on. I think I have it here somewhere.
Yep, there it is.
israel and the american foreign policy towards israel let me play for you what the democratic
strategist james carville had to say and get your thoughts to it about the candidates here in new york
city take a listen credit caulk and i really don't want to be in the same party she's yet
your reaction to that uh tena hasi
Wow. Are you do this to me every time I come on and if you pay me something to leave me
completely. The problem with that is like whatever you think of future Congresswoman Chevalier,
she represents actual voters. Okay, she represents actual voters. And what James Carbell is
saying is that those voters should be disenfranchised, that he is so disgusted with whatever
opinion she has that those voters should be disenfranchised. And I just, I don't, I don't,
I don't, I don't get it, man. I don't like, like, I don't like, like, you know, that is
a district filled with black and brown people. They made their choice. And he just doesn't
respect it. You know what I mean? Which to me says, you know, not so much, you know,
it's not so much a statement on, on Palestinians. It's not so much a statement on Israelis.
It's not so much a statement on, you know, any, anything that future Congresswoman
Chevalier, Chevalier said it's a statement on how he feels about black and brown people.
And the fact that they are useful to him when they vote the way that he agrees with.
Cooked.
Cooked.
When they don't kick him out the party, they don't deserve representation.
It's, I'm trying not to say, I'm trying for life.
It's not good.
It's not good, it's not good.
It's not good.
It's not good for democracy.
Um, let me, let me, if I can maybe close out by asking you to kind of check whether this
is more than just a vibe check, but he doesn't sugarcoat.
He cooks would be some critics who will say, and correct me if I'm wrong here, not that
the central thesis of why Kamala Harris lost the campaign was because of our Gaza, but
Gaza was certainly a factor in the reason why she lost.
What would you say to critics who say it was actually about inflation, it was about economics,
it was about a lot of other things.
Gaza was not something that pollsters came up with.
Pundit's thought was an issue, and it might not be an issue going forward that the party's
fixation on this right now, some Democrats are warning, is misguided.
Yeah, I can't really tell you that that's why she lost.
I don't have that data.
I don't have those sorts of numbers.
I mean, to me, look, I know the headline was what the headline was, but I was less interested in that
than asking the question of whether in fact someone who would not have been in that
Donna has the codes not a numbers guy
Okay, he said I'm not I'm not numbers guy
You got Patrick bed David for that. You can ask him about the number
I know you really like the number. I'm not a numbers guy
places it was not for the black freedom struggle. And I think this is actually not just true of
Kamala Harris anymore, but in true of the Democratic Party itself, that it owes its very present
existence to the black freedom struggle. Is it actually honoring the core morality and
principles of that struggle? And are we settling for an interpretation that says human rights,
civil rights for certain people and screw everybody else? Or was this supposed to
be about something bigger. Was it human actually being human? And my argument is in the words
of Fannie Lou Hamer, in the words of Coretta Scott King, in the words of W.E.B. DuPois,
in the words of Martin Luther King, it was always supposed to be bigger. If this is
just interest group politics, I mean, I don't know what that is, but I don't have a place
in that party and I don't have a place in that coalition myself.
Yeah. He's so good, man.
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apologies for the existence of Taiwan, a true soldier to the acts of resistance. John
John Cena was Iranian wife visiting Iran's Shiraz was not on my bingo card. It was on
mine.
This is who he's always been. Okay, it's John Cena, not John Cena. Okay. Get it right.
John Cena more like John China, more like people's Republic of China.
Okay. She shit. She shit. Lauban. What? Answer me. What happened to that fashion photoshoot
you did? Did it ever come out? Was it a famous fashion magazine? Answer me. Answer me. Yes,
it was days. Days in the Middle East. Days in the middle.
Dems are rolling over in the first year is why there's so much voter apathy. Yes
What is hey Kim Paxson, that's not your wife
Yo, can it can it chopped onk score a little side
Why'd you shock your dog? Because I love doing it. It's my favorite thing to do. That's why I did it.
Can a chopped huzz get a little bit of huzz on the side? You know what I mean?
Let him Riz bro. He's ugly as sin. Let him Riz. Hard to think of a worse message for Dems right
now than this bag of bones preening for his legacy by projecting a diluted fantasy discourse
on a public opinion. I don't want to even get into that. Ben Jordan gave you a shout out
You defending his name last August I send his bid against being pro-Israel. Yeah
The only way socialism could win is genuinely was a controversy with your dog, bro
People hallucinated an alternative reality where I'm abusing my dog that I love more than most human beings
That's it and they I mean it it was all the rage for the longest time and nowadays most people don't give a shit one way or another
another but there are still right-wing weirdos who will come in here to be like
you're a fucking your dog abuser you're shocking your dog it doesn't really
matter utterly irrelevant sure yeah I love shock of my dog see there it is
they're cheating but we're not cheating we're playing the game exactly as it was
laid out to us and frankly in a lot of ways the rules are unfair the
democratic system is not really that democratic there's a lot of critiques
I have but we're doing what they have asked us to do but then when we win they say oh no no no
I like that so really I think they're being a bit of a sore loser when they say things like that
So do you think you like the Democratic Socialists are never gonna break off from the Democratic Party?
They're always gonna be maybe part of this bigger tent. Yeah, it's hard to say what will happen for sure
You know there's always a possibility that we are kicked out at some point given how some of the rhetoric has been
And there is a possibility where maybe if the democratic system is reformed and we have
more parties like countries in Europe or Latin America, there might be room for that.
But as it is right now, we know that the way to build power for our goals is to run as
Democrats or sometimes maybe even as independents, depending on where in the country we're
looking.
to work with the people who are interested in achieving the same goals as us. Frequently
those are Democrats, not always, but we're working within the system we have now to
get as far as we can.
Now one of the primary watch parties there were chance when House Ben Orly, their King
Jeffries came on TV screens.
Oh God, they love the optics. Can you invite this person is the number one Dean Withers
fan by the way. Can you invite Dean on the stream and talk about Jubilee and
also make him a socialist. Can you invite Dean Withers on stream to talk about Jubilee
and also make him join the DSA? Can you invite Dean Withers on stream to talk about Jubilee
and also make him a socialist? Sure, I will do it. I will invite Dean Withers on stream
and make him a socialist for you, chatter. Okay.
next. And this stuff I think you posted on social media saying that Councilman Chiase would have
beaten Jeffries. Now I know he didn't run against Jeffries this year. Do you guys plan to run a
candidate against Jeffries in two years? Well, the thing about 2028 is that I think it's pretty
likely that the congressional districts, the districts in New York will be redrawn.
And so it's really difficult to strategize. Yeah, not of Hakeem as anything to say
about that. I don't. So here's the thing, okay, this is a huge, huge deal. Rewriting the New
York congressional districts, redrawing the New York congressional districts is an absolute necessity,
in my opinion. Okay, there are a lot of, what is it called, like opportunity districts, right?
That's what it's called, like black opportunity districts that need to, in my opinion, get
chopped around so that we can draw up more numbers for Congress. Okay? We can draw up
more numbers. There are a lot of comfortable districts. And the thing is, a lot of the
establishment Democrats that sit on those districts don't want those districts to be redrawn
because they like the safe districts that they're in. And they've been sitting on
those safe districts for decades, okay? So unfortunately, while there is a lot of opportunity
here to cut these districts into numerous safe blue districts, there are going to be a,
there's going to be a lot of resistance from congressional Democrats
that don't want their districts to be chopped down at all.
Yeah, right now, New York is 19D7R. We could get down to three Republicans with little effort and
one to two Republicans with some work. The people that are standing in opposition to that,
unfortunately, are those who sit in comfortable blue districts, though, and they don't want
their districts to lower their margin of victory. They also probably are worried about the
the S.A. candidates coming in and taking them out.
It's not like those dishes wouldn't be safe.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, those dishes would still be safe.
It would go from 80-20 to like 65-35.
But they're more so worried, I think, about, like, what these new, what these new dishes
would look like as far as, because look, let's be real, okay?
a lot of those districts are super safe districts because of the population density of black
voters, okay? That's why they're black opportunity districts, right? And moving black voters
from one district to the next with this redistricting scheme would make more democratic districts,
right? But that would also threaten establishment Democrats that sit on these districts, especially
because if there are less like opportunity districts, for example, there's a, they'll
make the argument that these districts will be less safe and the Republicans are potentially
when which is bullshit.
Obviously that's not the case, but they could technically lose to democratic socialists.
And if your job, if your job relies on the machine that you've built there, yeah,
exactly, they built their machines there chopping, chopping it up, leaves them with a
broken machine, it leaves them vulnerable to primaries, it levels the playing field.
So it's really good for us, and it's really good for the broader Democratic Party in its efforts
to fight back against the Republican redistricting initiatives. It would literally give,
it would literally end up giving black people more opportunities, right? It would literally
end up giving more Black voter participation, right? But the problem is a lot of the establishment
Democrats are, as far as I understand, very shy about this, right? They don't want to
do it because it threatens their comfortable seats. So who knows what will happen?
That's that far in advance, not knowing really what the districts are going to look
like, but what I'll say about the leaders of the Democratic Party, Hukim Jeffries and Chuck Schumer,
is that I'm not sure that they're as in touch with the voters that they represent.
Yeah, there is no mystery. There is no mystery. What is the mystery of dem authorities and
operatives not wanting to lose power, post and influence of the DSA in this case?
The dem and DSA ideologies secondary to their calculations, they just want to
hold on to positions exactly. It's the same reason why so many centrist Democrats
Are fucking chirping like consultants are chirping on the timeline about the the growth of the essay and how bad it is oh
My god, this guy's using his fucking mind look at this
Fox news is melting down saying this is a national crisis
Anyway speaking of the national crisis I will now have a guest on
Okay, Hartzell Gray
He's running for cars the DSA
Cadre candidate running for Congress I
Don't know if he's here yet though hold on
Is he is he here? Oh, all right
perfect. What's happening? Good to see you. Good to see you. All right.
Perfect. All right.
Right. What an opportune time to have you here. I'm glad you've made it all the way out to liberal
comaphonia. It just feels like home. Yeah. It's exciting times. Exciting times to be a DSA guy
running for office. Not so exciting if you're an establishment Democrat. Expect us. Expect us. Yeah.
And it's great to have you in person here. And maybe even in your district eventually we'll
see. We'll see what happens.
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Yeah, of course.
Um, hold on.
Let me pull up the, let me, let me do the intro and what not real quick.
Where is it?
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Hold on.
Okay.
Don't look because these are my notes.
I'm not looking at a thing.
I don't know.
Okay.
These are my notes.
I'm just overlooking this.
Yeah.
By the way, thank you so much.
This is the hospitality.
Just pull them back to curtain.
Just top notch.
Which camera top notch?
Just truly incredible.
this one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just got a Star Wars gift side of this.
So I know. Well, don't you leaked it? That was. Oh, you're gonna do. Hannah fucked it up. She
should have, she should have hidden that. And then we do that later in the. Later in the stream.
But yeah, Hartzell Gray everybody. Democratic Socialist was running for US Congress in
Missouri 4 Kansas City. It's a R plus 10 district. You're a former soccer commentator.
And I say former because there's some some drama with your potential previous employment
Allegedly fired for sporting Palestine your radio host and your opponent is Jordan Herrera. The primary date is August 4th
2026
Campaign website is Hartzell for Congress comm you got endorsements that you've lined up from rocon and Nina Turner KC DSA and also track
APAC, you're an activist, you're a community organizer, a radio host running for Congress.
In this newly redrawn seat, this newly redrawn district that stretches from a slice of downtown
KC to the suburbs of Jackson County all the way out through farm country across west
central Missouri.
You're the descendant of a sharecropper of Pick Cotton in Arkansas before finding
Refuge in Kansas City. We'll talk about that history as well.
Your career is a popular commentator for the city's soccer team before the billionaire owner
pushed for your dismissal due to your vocal sport of Palestine and also anti-billionaire sentiment.
For those of you tuning in, Hartzell takes no corporate-packed money, sports Medicare for all,
public and social housing, supports stronger unions, is an anti-war foreign and an anti-war
foreign policy that includes ending U.S. funding to Israel, overturning Citizens United. I'll
be asking you a lot about that as well. You've, like I said, earned the endorsement of KC
DSA. Shout out KC DSA. Yeah. And you're, you're in a really interesting district because
there is a real opportunity here to potentially make the case to the voters that the working
class is hungry for someone willing to talk plainly about healthcare, money and politics
an endless war, even in a Republican seat. So yeah, let's get started. Like I said,
thank you for coming on. You spent nine years as the voice of Sporting Kansas City. You hosted
NPR. You've hosted NPR radio. Your great-grandmother picked cotton as a sharecropper in Arkansas.
Your main opponent in this primary, Jordan Herrera, is a former assistant attorney general
who worked under Missouri's hard right Republican attorney general.
What does a candidate who got fired for his politics and called soccer matches for a living
understand about the plight of working people in this district that a guy who
lawyered for a MAGA attorney general fundamentally does not? Listen, every time I
walk into a stadium, I always the first folks I talk to, it's always the stadium grounds crew,
right? Because those are the homies, like those are the ones not only they got the keys,
but also like they they give a damn about who you are. I see those folks every single game, right?
And what I what I know also is that they can't say a damn thing about how they feel about their
work conditions, right? I was commentating and emceeing during the worst of COVID, right?
None of our folks got a chance to say that I can't go into work. They got bills to pay, right?
And so part of this campaign is believing knowing that we should all be free and fed,
Right. We all deserve it all. And so the opportunity to bring a working class voice to amplify, right?
I'm not asking anybody to vote for me to do a thing for them. I'm asking humbly,
if I'm allowed to walk with you as we do a thing together, right? This is not a campaign that's
intellectual exercise. This is not a resume boost. This is the urgency and now that MLK
talks about, right? This is Frederick Douglass saying we need to fire. We need to earthquake.
We need the whirlwind and our folks is to show me state and these clowns these Republicans these sell out Democrats
They have shown their asses and so now it's time for us to come after theirs
And that's exactly what we are doing. Listen, I I'm not gonna talk shade on anybody in this race
Cuz this ain't anybody anti its pro policy. It's pro people. It's pro a movement. I was a little shade though
I'm gonna let me see it up. I'm gonna tee it up a little bit. I'm building that crescendo because listen
but I also know is that I
I have the moral clarity that when I say we need healthcare for all universal healthcare,
I'm not then in the same sentence going to then demean or quote unquote call our working class
folks methods, which is what Jordan Herrera did. He was talking about affordable beachfront
property in the lake of the Ozarks, affordable for who? His laugh line with this podcast he
was on was shitting on working folks who are struggling with addiction. I myself am a
of a suicide survivor, right?
Saved my life.
I wouldn't be here, but I was still done a disservice.
I should never have had to been to that point, right?
My mom was done a disservice because she had to pay for that.
You know, my dog, my dad was done a disservice
because he had to pick up my dog, right?
Like we are all being shafted.
And to have someone who would claim to represent
some of those same ideals about how we all deserve
universal coverage, but then demean folks
who need it the most.
Like I just, like I, I'm disgusted by it.
So you're talking about what makes me different
from my nearest opponent.
On top of the moral clarity and the policy,
talking about expanding our tents.
Well, like what does that, what does that mean?
So we get folks in this tent and what do we tell them?
I got a beard now and we threw some trans kids
under the bus.
Like that's not expanding the tent.
That's actually nonsense.
And so we are coming to Congress with a movement.
Deb said, you know, I don't come from a movement.
come with the movement. I alone am nothing together. We are
everything. And so like this lived experience as an organizer
on the ground with tenants, with climate activists, with just
working folks from doulas to you insert folks who try to turn
our pain into policy. I am unapologetically on the side of
working people not on the side of a resume builder on the
side of building power. We have outraised our nearest
opponent six to one. We are we are we are not swayed and in data centers.
We are staunchly opposed to that unlike perhaps my closest opponent.
Again, we have a moment that we're going to make a movement.
We can do something transformational.
And if we're not rooted in the working folks, then what are we doing it for?
Yeah, we'll get back to like the logistical support
that you are not being offered in this race.
because I do think this is a place to make a lot of impact given that it is a somewhat
of a blue wave year. And this is a district that's R plus 10.
What's R 40?
And yeah, exactly. It's a district that has dramatically shifted. And from what I've
seen from the voters that speak about their personal plights in Republican, deep
Republican districts things that they constantly talk about is the affordability crisis getting worse
Some of them are even frustrated with Trump's actions claiming that he was going to be a
peace president
And then obviously not following through on that promise, but overwhelmingly the thing that they talk about
Are these goddamn?
Uh data centers. Yep these goddamn ai data centers that are propping up that are popping up left and right everywhere
they're like this is unacceptable. I mean this is a universally despised policy position and yet
people are still shamelessly in support of it. So do you feel like there's a real opportunity here
to stress the importance that those who put the interest of corporations over the interests of the
masses could actually win over even Republican votes and enough independent votes as well
that they can actually win a Republican district?
Yeah, we're seeing it. I mean, one of the things that was most fascinating for me
was we were talking about the genocide, talking about Israel's genocide.
And one of the things that was just so illuminating was we got folks who voted for Trump three times.
They got the hat, they got the shirt, but loved to vote for him for another three times,
which I think is like their plan or something like that.
Mm-hmm.
But what they are saying, they won't say that Trump sold them down the river to Israel.
But what this man did tell me was that Mark Alford, the Republican incumbent, sold us down the river to Israel.
Yeah, these are bad boys. Like they they think, you know, Trump is infallible, but people around him are actually making him these evangelicals, right?
So like Trump decisions, they they understand that Trump is a quote unquote imperfect vessel. Right.
So it's on Alford to quell those worse angels. He's not doing it. Our folks are just getting
shit on right now, demolished between the tariffs, between the cost of everything. And like you said,
too, this idea of America first, that it is an actual crisis of conscience right now,
an actual recalibration of what that actually means. And we can actually do that in a leftist
socialist perspective that is not xenophobic. It's not, it is actually just rooted in
investing in working folks. And also Christian values, Christian values, we love thy neighbor,
right? I mean, that is like at the heart of, you know, this, this movement that love liberation.
That's what this is. Yeah. All right. So let's talk about your dishes. So in 2025,
Donald Trump got on through social and personally ordered Missouri Republicans to redraw the
congressional map in the middle of the decade. They obliged cracking Kansas City three ways
along Troust Avenue, the literal historic dividing line of the city. Emmanuel Cleaver,
safe blue seat got flipped from a D plus 23 baseline to R plus 17 in your own district.
The new fourth was redrawn into the deal. Can you explain to the viewers what was actually
done to Kansas City here and why you decided to run in this J.R. managed anyway? And also
I do want to ask you about Hakeem Jeffries as well.
Yeah. So when we initially announced our race, we were running in the fifth against
Congressman Cleaver. Again, a 20 year APEC backed, you know, Congressional Black
caucus, and you were talking about that just a few minutes ago. It was a race that was not
meant for messaging. We were playing to win the game, but we also know we have to win the hearts
and minds, right? And we were going to do that. We still can do that, I think. But they decided
to split Kansas City into three, like you said. And it is that it's the historic truce divide,
just redlining the epicenteries in Kansas City, Missouri, the JC Nichols family, which
My grandfather was actually one of the first black folks allowed on the plaza. So this historic
very bougie upscale plaza area, you know, JC Nichols. It's one of those things with our family.
Now he, you know, we know the history of the segregation, the redlining and all that. But,
you know, my grandfather and my grandma, 10 bar for them, you know, and so it's just been
the continuation of this history that is still so prevalent today. And so, yeah,
Yeah, like this was almost two on the nose.
Like this was a racist map, unconstitutional,
completely illegal, but they took dear leaders messaging
and they brought it back the next day
and it was signed within a week, right?
And so what we have an opportunity in this assault
and that the fourth district that was primarily ruled
just about all of it now has downtown Kansas City.
We've got the suburbs.
We've also got, like I said, rural America.
So we have an opportunity, urban America.
It is just making sure we phone bank, we canvass.
It's all relational, right?
Suburbs we harness the energy that the soccer moms and the soccer dads are doing and same thing when it comes to the rule
It is harnessing those relationships meeting folks on their level saying you deserve to be free and fed you talk about not
Just raising the cap on social security you talk about eliminating the cap their eyes light up you talk about and that's the thing
It's not even lighting up eyes. It's not even educating. It's not drawing those lines
It's saying my dude my girl my friend my neighbor look that just look that direction
And you're going to see the through line is that it's big business. It's billionaires. It's oligarchy. It's war machines
It's these oligarchs that is our enemy. It's not, you know, Trump made a material message
He said, yeah, you're right. Your rent is too damn high by dynamics sucks. And it does commonly talk about
Economic opportunities for black folks. Remember when Obama browbeated all the black folks right around the time
Why you gotta vote harder? Just gotta just gotta hit it a little bit harder next time
Yeah, well, that was that just slipped out. That wasn't bad. Huh? Yeah, that was that was pretty good
Hey, it's on. Yeah, I want to thank you for having me on this show
Yes, we did. Yes, we can I have a I have one here and pussy to
My favorite my favorite excerpt of that of that memoir. Yeah, so was it do um, but my point is his
Kamala's economic gender for black men was legitimately crypto and get a mint. Yeah, but that's actually in soul
Yeah, like that's not a material argument. Trump said your rent's too high and it's not corporations. It's not landlords
Not private equity. What he said it was the immigrants. It's a Samales
That's a material message that our folks took a chance on were shafted lied to but now here we are and where's our opposition party?
Other than just writing strongly worded letters. Yeah, no, exactly. There's there's a real opportunity here
I think and the thing that I want to ask you is a little bit inside baseball, I guess but like
Like, Hakeem Jeffries talked about the dummy Mandarin, and this is somewhat of a unique
opportunity because it took a safe democratic district and chopped it.
So now you do kind of have a much closer, like you have two closer districts that are
potentially winnable.
So are you getting any, uh, logistical support from, uh, the, the Congressional Democrats
if they reached out to you at all?
Or is there any, is there anything happening in that regard?
Reach out to who?
Yeah.
They reached out to me.
I didn't see nobody.
In fact, well, we had what happened, what happened was, uh, before we even really went
public on this race, we're still running in the fifth at this time, got an Instagram
message on a Sunday night.
Never forget this.
It said, Hey, congrats on your run.
I was one of the biggest lobbying firms in the country.
Oh, yeah.
I would love to talk to you about this race.
And I was like, this is weird, but here's the email, right?
And my brother, like mask off, not even trying to hide it.
It was in certain name at APAC dot org.
A little bit later, deeper than that was a black woman that sent it.
Yeah.
Now, at the time, again, I'm running against Cleaver, who was an APAC
back candidate for 20 years.
So what's that say?
Number one, they see us as the most viable candidacy in this race.
And number two, they just do not give a damn.
But this is just disgusting.
If they try to buy out another black face to stump and shill progenicide.
And that's why I'm so happy that in 2026, we're going to send
two socialists to Congress from Missouri.
We're going to send Corey Bush back and I'm the head and wither.
It's got I 70 socialist pipeline, baby.
And we're about to change the game.
Kansas City, DSA, I gotta give shout out to my comrades.
I mean, we are winning power.
It's not just winning tweets or winning message. We're winning power. You know, we have a world cup this year in Kansas City, right?
We are under a police state. Now, I'm a woman voice of soccer. I love soccer, right?
But they are hijacking our memories hijacking our nostalgia in service to a police state built a jail
Hassan that they said was because of the World Cup not even built yet, you know
And so what we did in Kansas City DSA we did the monarch pledge
We went to all these different businesses and said if you will make sure that you won't serve these 21st century storm troopers
If you got us we got you and so that's the monarch pledge that we're doing. We had just this morning
I mean ice has just these goons are are unstoppable
Until they meet us and so while we do have this fight that we're waging we are winning
We will win and let's never forget that there's always more of us
yeah
So we already talked about this but you know Billy in our own Sporting KC
Um, you said that, uh, allegedly, uh, you were fired for advocacy filed a lawsuit alleging
the mayor's chief of staff leaned on the local MPR station to discipline you.
You've likened it to, uh, being told to shut up and dribble.
How to getting fired for your political beliefs lead you to running for Congress.
Yeah.
Well, first off, not all skin focus can folk.
So let's go ahead and lead with that.
Um, listen, I'm somebody who I'm a fighter.
You know, I'm also a person and like I'm not going to be shit on by the highest levels of my city
I'm not gonna be shit on by a billionaire. I refuse to believe that so yeah, we yeah, let's talk about it, right? So
October 7th happens
I thought our mayor put out one of the most insensitive tweets that I had seen in fact for months after October 7th
We had children from Gaza who sent a video to every member of our city council
council just left on deaf ears and unfortunately left on dead ears because so many of those
babies now are no longer with us.
And I am somebody, we mentioned my great grandmother and that was Priscilla.
We called her Mama Silla, the sharecropper on her deed.
It literally said no colored folks allowed, but she turned that house into a home, right?
And in the year 2000, after decades of no investment whatsoever, the city said it's
time for revitalization, right?
We know that code word, right?
Yeah.
We got kick y'all black and brown folks.
Yeah.
given a bad deal and now I can't go back to the home that raised me because I cannot afford to live
there. Like I am tired of waking up every day. Our people are tired of waking up every day,
feeling violated, feeling like we just got our car broken into. All the feelings of that, right?
You feel like you messed up. You feel violated. You feel sad. I mean, I am so sick of our folks
dying here, you know, and so to have to have the highest offices in our city
try to silence that voice, not mine, our voices is unacceptable. And I was a journalist like I
this is a first amendment case when we're talking about this the situation with city hall went to
let's just break it down went to a city hall action with a bunch of our tenants strongest
tenant unit in the country is in Kansas with Kansas City tenants, right? Just some of
the best folks in the world.
And so there was the changing,
the definition of affordability.
And went from about $700, $800 a month
to our mayor raising it to about 1,500,
closer to 17 with inflation now, right?
Who is that affordable for?
Who is our city for?
Clearly not for us.
And so I'm there with our tenants.
I'm sitting at the end of the aisle,
not trying to pull focus.
I know it had that effect on people.
And I just look at the mayor,
like I'm a mask on, look at him, like he's mad.
Chief of Staff's running in and out of the gallery.
get a call the next day from a friend of mine says, Hey, brother, just so you know that
your name is all up and down city hall right now. I said, what do you mean? Oh yeah, man,
they called your job. So they call my call from my boss and says, Hey, we got a phone
call. I think you might have heard about it. You know, the, you know, the mayor's
chief staff reached out and I said, well, what does she say? She tried to get you
fired. Oh, okay. And we have this, we have the emails. Oh, okay. Okay. Interesting.
So hey, he did the moment, right?
Shit happens.
Then they circle back the next week to see if they had done what they're supposed to do.
Now, NPR, the KCR, which are NPR affiliate, they did pull me off the air.
So they caved to it.
Months go on because I'm still working.
I'm an MC and professional.
I do gigs with the mayor, right?
Yeah.
Fast forward.
A few months later, I said, yo, we got to have a conversation about this queue.
His name's Mary Cue.
Well, you know, I, you know, I heard something about that.
still, you know, I heard something about that. Oh, I heard something about that. So I have
a meeting with the Chief of Staff a few months later. Long story short, I was bribed to try
to, I was offered a position on one of two boards, either the reparations committee or
the economic development council on the East side. I knew immediately what that was.
So I said, thank you for the coffee. I'll see you later. And so, yeah, then we,
we ended up, um, both the petition, I, I encourage everyone to read it. Um, it reads
like a movie and it's crazy, but it actually happened. And, you know, that was just
the halls of government, but yeah, billionaires seem to think they control things.
But when you say billionaires shouldn't exist, I guess they take that personally.
And so after I thought nearly 10 years of excellence, in fact, the very last game,
I was very last game I officiated, I was told it was the best game I'd ever
done by the same person who would then go on to fire me.
And he says, I got to let you go.
We had a meeting on a Wednesday.
So we got to let you guys have got to let me go.
I thought we're just having a postseason recap.
I said, well, why?
Oh, man, it's politics.
What about him?
Like, what part was it?
What about what?
Oh, you know, just all of it, all of it.
I said, well, who's this coming from?
Was it you?
No, it's coming from the top, tip it up.
Said, OK, and this was in December, just a couple of months
after October 7th.
I was alongside some of our Palestinian-American activists
in Kansas City on Hadaf.
Shout out to some of the best folks in the world.
We did a die-in at our local mall.
And I know folks saw me.
People are like, oh, that's hard stuff from sporting.
So I'm sure it got out in addition to the posts
I made up for the mayor as well.
And after a decade of service,
they said, we don't like you anymore.
So what do we do?
We do the next thing.
I'm a working class guy.
I mean, just this last Christmas,
I was working at a warehouse.
And I was working at a warehouse at a chocolate shop
because my rent's too damn high.
And I, you know, a few years ago,
wouldn't have to do that.
And that's fine, again.
I'm a radio guy, AFI, nothing from nowhere.
I'm no one at all, but this shit sucks and we deserve better.
And so I'm not trying to make this about me.
I'm trying to let people know that you're worth it.
You've always been worth it.
And if anyone tells you otherwise, tell them to get bit.
And so I guess me selfishly,
I refused to be treated like that.
And together we're gonna make sure none of us are treated like that.
Yeah, I mean, that's powerful.
Getting back to your district, there's a private equity group called Noble Health that
took nearly $20 million in federal COVID relief.
And then they shut down two rural Missouri hospitals, Audrien and Calave.
And left its own employees holding hundreds of thousand dollars in medical bills
after pocketing their insurance premiums.
The private equity playbook is gutting
rural healthcare across the country.
This is a problem that exists, not just in KC,
but all around the country.
Do you support Medicare for All?
And what do you say to rural voters
who just watched Wall Street vultures
close the only hospital in town?
I tell them that we're coming for them
and we are not going to allow that to happen again.
Yes, unapologetically I'm supporter
Medicare for all, health care for all, which includes gender affirming care.
I will make sure I fight for that. We're going to repeal the Hyde Amendment.
I am somebody who believes it. We talk, they said suicide survivor, right? So I'm somebody who
believes if we really want to talk about ending the stigma, then we have to have the follow-up,
the back end of that sentence has to be calling for universal health care. Because if not,
then let's be honest, it's not a serious conversation. I know a lot of folks get
uncomfortable saying that but to stew in silence or just to stew in a circle is
still insanity and so yes we need and deserve it all which will also make sure
we fund those rural hospitals and make sure that we don't have to have our
folks have to get a $15,000 life-flight because the closest hospital is over an
hour away yeah and that's just for a broken bone don't don't don't be
pregnant because you may have to go even further because they don't have
any of those any of those services available yeah and it's in is our
folks, you know, we've got so many of our folks here who the only chance they see their
government working period is to to put the boot on their throat. And it's time for us
to show them a government that works that can make a material argument that speaks to
our needs. If we can't speak to the human right that is healthcare, then what the
hell are we doing? Do you feel like that message resonates beyond the city population and the
excerpts in the suburbs, but even in the rural districts? Have you seen a conversion in voters
in the doorknock operation and going out and speaking to folks that normally would never
entertain voting for a Democrat, a black Democrat, especially a Democratic socialist, David. Or
is the Democratic socialism moniker actually something that identifies you as something
separate from this machine that they've been trained into hating, that they've been conditioned
into thinking is bad and wrong?
Yeah, I think it's yes and so that first part is that you just said it's absolutely
a yes. And on the campaign, you know, because we got a lot, we got a whole lot of miles
right? The furthest east county is three and a half hours away from where I live.
And so we just leave a listening. It's not labels, but they know I'm a democratic socialist,
right? And when you leave with that simple message of free and fed, they say, yeah,
I want to be free and I want to be fed. In fact, I would say there's not a conversion happening.
It's just folks listening to what our people actually are saying. Everybody knows that we
deserve universal health care. I've got more people that say not even just Medicare for all,
you know, that's kind of the slogan everybody knows, but I've got folks in rural America
literally saying universal health care, you know, like this is not something that is a boogie man to
them. This is like life or death for our folks. And, and, you know, I think Elon and the oligarchs
have made it very easy for us because you've got cartoon villains now, you know, Elon owns more than
what the bottom 53 is more now percent of the wealth of this country. But you know what, it is
his buddies, the 1% some of them actually are terrible people. Listen, I've been rocking
with Taylor Swift since teardrops on my guitar. Well, we're gonna tax the hell out of
You know, that's fine. And that is okay. Because about the 1% on more than the bottom 90 plus
percent of the wealth in this country. So when I talked to Nana and she's like, yeah, Elon sucks.
I'm like, yeah, Elon, Bezos, they all cartoonishly evil. But yo, Nana, the 1% is also the reason why
your nursing home could be on the shopping block. You know, so it's not just Elon,
not just the doge. We've been getting doge for a long time. And so now this is our moment
to turn this, you know, turn a moment into a movement. And, and what we saw on Tuesday,
what we've seen this, this, this Trump 2.0, like we're winning, not just the argument we're winning
because, and it's not just because we're right, we're winning because of lived experiences, man.
Like I, I, I'd lost a family member to suicide. And you know what, if we had a freedom budget
that I'm running on in the spirit of Dr. King and Asa Philip Randolph and Senator Nina
Turner, right? If we would have had a freedom budget that would have guaranteed a job with
living wage he would not have felt to be in that precarious position if we would have gotten rid of
these weapons of war off the street these guns because that's how he took his life if we got rid
of those guns they would be gone you know how many of our folks if they would have had a guaranteed
social home they'd still be here so this isn't like just saying that the stats show we're right
it's our lived experiences demanding that we have what we should always have yeah um getting
back to an APAC person reaching out to you, despite the fact that you were very outspoken
about your propulsive and advocacy, what do you think that says about APAC, like what
do you think that says about even like candidates that they think are malleable, they think
are easily persuadable?
I would say they they fuck with the wrong one that on my part um
It is a level of desperation
Um, and in this situation too because I consider myself a son of a black radical tradition, right?
and so the um
And then circling back to this, you know skin folk info conversation. It is just a level of self loathing
Um, that is almost hard to comprehend
Especially when you've got somebody chilling for a pack who is a person of color
Now, what does that say?
I think they see, they think we're useful idiots.
We're actually brilliant and we're winning and they're losing.
Now, I think, you know, specifically in my race, I think that's because CS is the most
viable candidacy and something that is, I mean, I like in our race, similar to Afton
Bame and that we have a real working class movement that's not labels, but we have
a real chance of flipping the seat.
And like when we flip Missouri 4, so girl, so goes the world like politics changes.
No, no, this is this is something that I've I've talked about quite extensively like a
lot of a lot of people talk about how all democratic socialism can only win in like
deep blue districts, which by the way, they never interrogate why that's the case
either because those are still democratic voters like in New York, those are closed
primary.
So these are lifelong Democratic Party voters
who saw an establishment Democrat
the head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus
as a matter of fact,
against a 32 year old activist with no previous experience.
And they said, I like the message of the actors.
I trust this person more than I do the person
that's been my representative at that point
for running for a fifth term.
Um, that means it's actually the voters that are looking for this change.
What kind of stuff?
Democracy.
The voters that have an appetite for this change.
So I think that there is a real opportunity here, uh, to expand beyond that.
I think, uh, like there is no, there is no working class movement in this country
without the black working class.
And there is no socialist movement, uh, in this country without black socialism.
Especially in the heartland, man, like the black preacher in the heart.
I mean, um, we're real close to Lawrence, Kansas, you know, uh,
I forget the name of the socialist newspaper that's out there, the first paper to publish
the jungle.
I can't remember, I'm spacing on the name right now, but yes, we have a, we have a working
class populist socialist tradition.
We, I mean, if I can get like a little star spangled, uh, simp real quick.
I mean, we do, we come from a radical American promise and, and believe it or not, you
know, I think life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is transformational.
We got life, right?
You got a bunch of these folks.
It's an awakening, not a religious thing, right?
Got a bunch of woke folks. How the hell are we going to get anything done?
We chose liberty. We chose people power, not profit power, not pack power.
This is how we're going to get stuff done. We have a mandate now because it's the process.
It's the struggle. So life, we have liberty, how we get stuff done.
What do we do? We pursue our happiness. And what is that pursuit of happiness,
if not a guaranteed health care, housing, a job, making sure we defund the war machine,
invest in babies here, not blowing up babies overseas, and service to these forever wars
that are going to profit the oligarchs and the warhawks and the war machine and and and so I think
it doesn't benefit it doesn't benefit it doesn't benefit the the citizens and I'm wondering since
you have a lot more insight into your own district I've spent very little time in Missouri we'll
get to that one of the things I'm gonna fix that yeah no for sure but um this is something
I'm very interested in in hearing about because we hear from centrist democrats all the time
that like you don't understand right-wing voters or independent voters in the heartland,
they actually want someone who's going to be pro-Israel. And now the Republican incumbent
that you'd face in November, again, this is plus 46 as a state for Trump, but the district that
you're in is plus 10, or is it plus 10 Republican district? So it's certainly winnable, especially
considering the newly found unpopularity of Donald Trump because he never delivered on
as promises, one of which was to end the war in Gaza, as he said, on day one, even though
Israel has yet to be restrained.
So the Republican incumbent you face in November, Mark Alford, took a trip to Israel, paid for
by Apex sister organization, met with Netanyahu, who is deeply unpopular, I assume, in your
district as well. And promise to make sure American money for Israel does not wane. You
got evangelical Trump voters in this district who are starting to feel like their own congressmen
sold them out to a foreign government. How do you talk to a conservative Christian rule
Missouri who's beginning to suspect that their representative holds the interests of
Israel above the well-being of their neighbors, of your neighbors, of the constituents in
this district?
I would say these electives are making it very easy because that's exactly what
they're doing. They are catering to Israel, not to our folks here at home. And so I'm very
unapologetic in how I present this. This isn't like people, you know, the Palestinian question
is not something I'm good at. It's like very much a core of who I am.
Yeah. And so I'm very, I'm straightforward. I'm very honest. Listen, Israel's apartheid
ethno state has been committing genocide to Palestinian people since before the Nakwa.
They're committing ethnic cleansing in Lebanon as we speak. We should be ending all ties
All diplomatic ties with Israel all of them. That's not a friend. That's that is that is a pariah
So how do how do like what you tell them this this is how big is how big is a forest?
How big of a force in politics is Christian?
Evangelical Zionism in this in this district in your opinion though like are there still people who are just like no
We got a bless Israel God blesses those who bless Israel that type of thing that we hear from the likes of Ted Cruz and whatnot
Or are they more pragmatic about this where they look at it and they're like this is a foreign country
They're intervening in our domestic politics
Like is there is there a way to get across this message to people who are perhaps the most
Resilient force of prose or politics in the country
You just tell our folks what we're missing out of why we were sending money to an iron dome as you just got evicted
Are you just lost your farmland? You know, I mean is it is truly that simple?
We we are losing not just American service members, but that's the most tragic.
But we're losing everything.
We were losing a billion dollars a day a day.
And when you say that and like, listen, we we all got screens.
Our folks are seeing what's happening.
They know this ain't right.
They know that, like, we've been watching genocide for nearly three years now
every single day.
And and and as groceries are going up, as we've got single moms,
we have to decide what grocery to put back because they got rent due the next day.
Or you've got folks who, again, they are family farmers who no longer have their family farm because a data center took it.
And that same data center who's working on AI, it's actually just logistics for a laboratory to murder working class folks overseas.
So we're using Missouri land to test out weapons of war and surveillance, state apparatus.
You break that down to them because we can see what's happening.
And your bills aren't getting any cheaper
and we're still at war.
And we just had a trillionaire,
and you can't pay your bills.
We had kids in our district.
I went to a school called Lisa in West High School,
Titan Pride.
And I got a, it was on Facebook,
viral message about how we need help
paying some of these school lunch debts
because these kids can't go get their diploma
because they've got 3,000 plus school lunch debt.
And you mean to tell me
that we're gonna send billions upon billions
in service to genocide and empire.
Yeah.
Get out of here.
And I'm just, you can't unlearn what you have learned
and our folks are seeing their life not being made better,
but they're seeing a whole lot of money
being given to Israel.
And you make that make sense.
We don't have healthcare here,
but we're paying for theirs over there.
What?
I guess sometimes it's just that simple.
I don't need to come in with a dissertation.
I'm like, yo, so here's as much we're giving these clowns
who are blowing up everything.
And here's how much you're not getting
and here's how much you can't get from point A to point B
because you don't have public transit.
And on top of that, them blowing hospitals
and schools over there is also leading
to your gas prices going up as well over here.
And our farm.
And then Donald Trump was saying he doesn't care
about the cost of living.
Literally word for word, does not care.
And like I said, that crisis of conscience
when it comes to America first, MAGA, our folks feel betrayed.
They feel betrayed.
And they, you know, how many times do we say,
oh, you know, we got a deficit, right?
We have a spending problem and a revenue problem.
Yeah, we do.
We're spending money on wars that are gonna last us forever.
And we have a revenue problem
because we're given billionaires tax breaks.
But we can somehow keep finding money
to send all this aid over to Israel
as we literally are having over 800,000s of our neighbors
unhoused, 68,000 plus of our folks dying
a preventable illness because he don't have health care. Yeah. I mean, you just can't,
uh, you can't give me, you can't give me gravy and tell me it's sweet because the gravy ain't jelly.
That's something we talked about in Kansas City. Okay. That was, I was a little confused by that.
No, just, just follow that walk. It's a showman walk. No, I got it. I understand,
I understand the principle behind it. Gravy is not sweet. It ain't sweet. Jelly is
is, or Jell-O, I think.
We got there.
You've got to come to Missouri.
Well, let's watch this.
So we got Mark Alford here.
Oh, I know this clip.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, GOP rep, Alphys, his voters are willing to pay more for gas because of war.
I want to put that to a test.
Now, one of the things that I want to also get across is like, what are the needs
for your campaign right now?
You need money, obviously.
Why do you need that money?
I assume you haven't received a lot of attack ads at this point.
Not as far as like ads go.
We've got, you know, we have just my nearest opponent, right?
And the primary, you know, he called himself a progressive for a few weeks
and he called himself a blue dog.
And now he's like a capital, whatever.
Just making up just making up titles pretty much.
And so what are there any?
Are there any polling numbers out there? Not yet.
Not yet. And hopefully things if things go well today,
to Ching, then we'll get some polls done.
Yeah, there will be attack ads after this, though.
Oh, absolutely.
Oh, we're going to clip this thing to Kingdom Come, and that's fine, because listen, we
need that moral clarity.
I know who I am.
I know where I came from.
I know who brought me to the dance.
It's our working people.
I don't shy away from who I am and who got me here.
I am a democratic-
I mean, don't they say they're radical?
They're going to be like, oh my God, this is bad when I-
Yeah, what's radical is that we've got kids who can't get their diploma because
they have school lunch there.
That's radical.
I'm just getting you ready. Like they're going to say this guy went on a broadcast of a person who said
America's Irvine 11 2019 was talking about the concept of blowback, but we're still going to rehash
that we're going to reheat those nachos over and over again to make it seem like he was saying
something that most Americans don't intrinsically understand. We've gotten that threats on this
campaign. I'll be completely honest with you. I know mom's watching pops, but like it's true.
You know, we're on the canary mission, right? And so, you know, I'm this is what it is.
is like you come at the kings and queens
and everybody in between and you best not miss.
And these folks don't understand that what they have in me
and our movement is undeniable.
Undesirable to undeniable.
This photo is, this photo is crazy.
Isn't it crazy?
But I hate that they cropped out.
So I got mittens on.
And I hate that they cropped my mittens on.
Oh, cause they wanted to make you look, I mean.
We look at it.
I mean, honestly.
I know, we know what they were doing.
We know exactly what they were doing.
Yeah, they were like scary, angry, black.
But look at that, look at that.
That's why they don't show the mittens.
Look at that chiseled cheek though.
I mean, you talked about John Cena earlier
and you know, I'm just saying like,
you can't see me and he doesn't look terrible.
But yeah, I mean, it's, I will say too,
like one of the parts that I love about this
is that I got the Canary mission to post a Bret Hart meme
which is just truly like my little pro wrestling heart
is just, you know, completely just,
was just so smart.
Promoted hatred of America.
This was what it was, the original link.
Even in the out of the blood soaked butcher of Gaza
once again drag the world closer to an all-out war with his latest reckless strikes on Iran.
Trump and his Warhawks grovel at Bibi's feet while major America media,
major American media parrots is really propagated as if it were gospel enough.
Yeah, they didn't like that one. Yeah.
There's a few more they didn't like either. Maybe like all of it.
Yeah, I don't think they liked any of it. Hold on. Promoted hatred of America. Let's see.
That's the Bret Hart one. That's my pro wrestling shout out.
I want to see the original link when we see this.
this. Red Heart claims you woke up one morning and saw the truth. America stakes.
They're going to definitely clip that one. They're going to clip that.
That's funny. You see, that's the other thing though. I think a lot of these things, a
lot of these like attack ads and a lot of these counters that would work in a pre-Trump
universe don't have the same emphasis anymore because Americans are by and large and especially
Republicans are by and large sick and tired of this, like, oh, you made a joke at some
point. You posted this meme, this like wrestling promo, that's, I'm going to take that seriously.
I'm going to take that like it's your fundamental plank of your campaign. I think, and maybe
you can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I think people hear that and they go, really,
what are you going to do for me? That's what I want to hear.
That's it.
Like, what are you going to do for me? Are you going to, are you going to make
sure that my health care is adequately funded? Are you going to help me make sure that my rent
is stabilized, that the cost of living is manageable? Because I think that's what people care about at
the end of the day, but they've forgotten to care about that because unfortunately,
Democrats don't offer that as an alternative. They also engage from a defensive posture in
like culture war things, like culture war battles.
It's a muzzle.
It's a muzzle.
And they refuse to focus on material changes that people are desperate for.
And I think that is why I think your race is a huge test for that, is a huge battle
against that, is lie that establishment Democrats have told us over and over again that like,
Americans have an appetite for in a place, in a state that voted for Trump by 46 points.
What Democrats have an appetite for is a moderate position on Israel and giving Israel maybe
not like $10 billion, but instead like $5, $6 billion instead of cutting checks for Americans.
And when they, it's in the, and there's too many of our folks who will weaponize
their identity as a way to silence any sort of answer.
You know, I was listening to, this was,
I think after Trump's first speech
between Trump 2.0, the address he made to Congress,
and it was on MSNBC, and Rachel Madd,
I was talking to the King Jeffries,
and it was like the heart of the Fighting oligarchy tour.
And so, Madd, I was like,
so when are y'all gonna do something?
Like, what is happening?
We got all this stuff.
And like his next sentence was something
about like being a descendant of slaves and like something about it just didn't make any
sense like just the weaponization of one's blackness or the weaponization of any sort
of identity as a way just to squash any sort of criticism or any sort of plan or policy
and it's like that is, and maybe that's another reason why I'm running it says I just refuse
to, I refuse to use, I refuse to have folks use that as a shield as someone who is
black man who lives the black experience every single day this country was built on the backs of
slaves and bondage and also those who chose to see also and so I understand that when we we take
care of that anti-black racism so goes the rest of those dominoes but as we do that we also it's
a working-class agenda too yeah we take care of working-class black folks we take care of working
class working class everybody um and so that's why it comes for me it's not an illusion of
access, it's a guarantee of coverage. And that's what is lost across the board with these
bought and paid for sellouts. And that's why we got to get more of us in there to cook.
Because we're taking, we're taking our pain making a policy, you know, in the organizing
space, they say, you know, take its crisis to its creator. And it's not just the
oligarchs in the C suite. Some of this creation has been done by our elected Democrats
and Republicans and two Democrats too. And so we come for them as well.
So let's get back to the realm of sports a little bit something that I'm not very familiar
with you are, but this angle I am a little bit familiar with in 2024 the Royals and Chiefs
tried to ram a sales tax through Jackson County to hand billionaire owners a brand
new stadium.
They spent $3 million on the yes campaign and it lost by 16 points.
Now they're back with a $1.9 billion ballpark with up to $600 million in public money.
And this time with no public vote at all, what was your role in stopping your neighbor's
tax dollars subsidizing the profits of a billionaire?
And if elected, will you work with local representatives to carry out the will of the voters and stop
the new ballpark deal?
Yes, absolutely.
And so my role is just a rank and file member of a lot of good folks who made this happen
from tenants to, again, I alone didn't do a damn thing, but like when we, when
we brought that fist to its, I mean, we, we let these folks have it.
a coalition of socialists, of communists, of libertarians, of conservatives. I mean, again,
the through line is that we're tired of getting fucked by billionaires, right?
Yeah. And so what I was able to do is just help amplify
this working class message and say we're not gonna pay for our own displacement.
And so, yeah, circling back to that same mayor who tried to get me fired for practicing my
First Amendment constitutional right. That same fellow who did the Trumpian tactics to get
me fired is also trying to do this Trumpian tactics to move money around.
I mean it's crazy. I don't wake up every morning answering my phone and asking a billionaire how I
can help them. I don't know how people do that. I don't have their numbers in my phone,
but, and I sure as hell wouldn't cater to them. That's for sure. And so, and in fact,
the Missouri Workers Center. So the, the, it's a collection of, you know, working class folks.
It's our big advocacy group here in the state. They submitted signatures to, to put this
on to a ballot. You lost once, you're not gonna skirt around us.
Yeah. And so, but he seems to say, his exact words that that ship has sailed already. Are
you kidding me? So he thinks because we can maybe buy some shovels and break a little
ground, they're just gonna bypass the will of the people? What are we doing here? There
is no reality where I will ever sign off on giving a tax break to a billionaire to
do anything, to do anything. You want to pay for that playground? Do it yourself.
It still might be a bad idea.
Yeah.
But we're not going to do that.
And the fact that we talk about a better road is possible in DSA, right?
Again, who is that better world for?
Because we talk about hijacking our nostalgia, hijacking our civic pride.
I mean, you should have seen all the ads.
The Royals are going to leave.
The Chiefs are going to leave.
And yeah, the Chiefs are going to leave, but don't fuck you.
Because the fact that you would take what we gave you, our heart, our soul, our
dollars because you want a bigger handout, you're going to go across the state line.
All right, see you later then, because it's a bad deal for them in Kansas too.
And so, you know, I'm getting worked up because this is personal for me and it's personal
for a lot of us.
And yeah, where's the Kansas City Pride?
You know, they're trying to put in somebody's pocketbook, baby.
That's the problem.
That is the problem.
And it's not going to be allowed to happen anymore because we're going to make sure
it doesn't happen anymore.
So yeah, expect us again and then keep expecting us.
This shit is nonsense.
And we're not going to allow it.
We're not going to just find loopholes to continue to find reasons for us to pay for our displacement.
That's nonsense.
It's not going to happen.
We're going to fight back.
There's a loser.
And by the way, these are losers.
These are losers.
So it's time to throw these losers under the bus.
I'm not going to sit for a bunch of billionaires who took an L. We just show we can beat
you.
We're going to beat you again.
Um, it's, I mean, it's, it's still, and actually, I got some sports folks because I come from
radio and this is a, this, this is what they do to working class folks because I got a lot
of really good friends who work in the sports, sports world and you know, some of my best
friends at arts, you know, man, like I hear what you're saying, I'm out for you like
rah rah rah power to people, but hey, you know, like billionaires do pay your bills,
man, like you and I just mind to technically, you know, and listen, like, oh, man,
I'm on Amazon so and I'm gonna take that check and I'm gonna make sure that I use it to do everything
I can to make sure that you are no longer a billionaire. Yeah, you know, and I'm okay with
saying that. Yeah. Um, it's just unbelievably frustrating. It's like funds to Israel funds to
billionaires that want to build their new larger stadium at a time when people are suffering. I
think it's like, I think people can see it. I like it's getting so glaringly obvious that
the contradictions are heightening to such a degree
that I think like the average working class person
understands that being shafted,
it's up to us to either allow the reactionaries
to channel that frustration into our neighbors,
undocumented migrants, trans people, black people,
or it's up to us to clearly communicate
who is at fault here and what they're doing to people.
And we do both those things.
Yeah.
And that's what, at KCVSA,
we're doing the exact same thing.
We have our KCEI's free campaigns.
What we're doing is we're going to our neighbors
and just letting them know like,
hey, these are your rights.
Like we've got your back.
We're gonna drop off those cards.
Yeah, but we're also gonna make sure
that when we get those notifications,
we're gonna be out there.
We're gonna stand in the way.
We will record these things.
We're gonna make sure that we have to have us.
And so we can name out our enemies,
name out the folks who we're coming for
as in the same time making sure
that we take care of our folks on the ground.
And that's, you do that.
That's why I'm so happy I'm running as an organizer.
Because if you don't have that, you don't get that.
Yeah.
So, big tech.
Yeah, yeah.
Our favorites.
They are, and we talked about it already a little bit,
but they're descending on the Missouri farmland
and Kansas City suburbs right now.
I've seen it with my own two eyes.
When I was stumping with Corey Bush,
there was this old, I believe like warehouse
looking area. The roads were covered in potholes. It was a very bumpy ride and in
that bumpy ride I pointed out this like cool looking building that was near the
college campus. I said what is that? Like what's going on over there? And they
said back in the day the Armory used to be a place where there were a bunch of
businesses like a bowling alley things like that. Now it's a data center.
smack dab in the middle of St. Louis.
And it turns out, I mean, it was across from the target of 5 plus 1.
And I thought that was somewhat dystopian to see those two things at the same time.
But yeah, they had converted this beautiful looking building into a data center.
Data centers are not just taking up space in big cities,
but they're also eating up a lot of this land, Missouri farmland and also the suburbs.
They're they're these AI data centers and in downtown. Yeah areas to in the room. Yeah, there's a 800
Megawatt project in independence that just got
6.26 billion dollars in tax breaks
While Google and Amazon are buying up all the farmland, you know, you got Republicans there like the Chinese are coming
They're buying up the farmland turns out. It's not the Chinese is Google and Amazon that are buying up this farmland your opponent
Jordan Herrera
He won't touch this issue with a 10-foot pole because he's terrified.
How do you stop Big Tech from draining our water, our resources, jacking up our electricity
bills and paving over farmland to power AI slop?
And why is your opponent, Jordan Herrera, even afraid to talk about this?
Well, I will say it's hard to talk about data centers and stopping them as you
use AI for all your social media captions and your posters and your flyers and you don't
have a union bug on any of your material. That's not, that's probably not the best way to start
that conversation.
Yeah. I would say that I am unapologetically anti data center. I want a moratorium immediately.
I want to, I want, if we're going to have them, they need to be public utilities and
need to be regulated as such, you know, Senator Sanders says we should own 50%.
I think we should own 100% of that. And we need to make sure that we have a sounds
a lot like what Bernie would suggest.
Yeah, I want Bernie to do a little bit more.
Yeah.
50% ain't enough, baby boy.
Come on.
I mean, this, again, we've got folks who would have us send
our water, clean water, as we've got folks in our district
who don't have that, by the way.
Yeah.
But some of the clean water we do have,
we're going to send to cool off a computer that's
going to take our jobs away and make sure,
like, this is the new NAFTA is here.
You know, and this is taking not just the rest
of the blue collar folks we still had,
it's now coming for white collar folks, too.
Yeah.
And so, no, this is, this is massive, but I'm in rural America. It's rural hospitals and health care.
It is data centers and it is the security state of this flock cameras. Those are the big threes that
I'm hearing in the ground in rural America. And they are angry. Angry. This is a, and there's
so much between the corruption, between the, the unaccountable big money, the, the sellout
of politicians you mentioned in independence, they debased themselves. Just absolutely disgusting.
And I hope there's going to be, there's going to be some recalls and I hope all them busters
end up getting kicked out.
And so yes, I, I am not going to sway on this again.
I, I didn't say one thing and then did another thing a few months later during, you know,
fundraising season.
No, I stay true to who I am and who I am is anti data center and it's anti anybody
who would try to play Kate to both sides.
We have no time for nonsense.
We need serious people, not a serious resume builder, we need a serious person
with a serious movement ready to make serious change.
Okay. And once again, support hearts of gray everybody by going to the donation link that
we keep spamming. You can also phone bank for him as well. But remember, this is a campaign
that's backed by you, the people. So obviously, every dollar helps.
I think our average is about on my phone on me. It's like 21 bucks.
Okay. And how much have we raised so far? Does anyone in the chat know how much we
raised so far because I think Michael from Pennsylvania raised 12 grand for you.
It was 13.
13 grand for you.
Okay.
So we've already passed that number, but we got to double that number is what I'm
saying.
It's okay.
I love that.
Cause that's crazy that we would get only 13.5 grand here when Mike from PA
raised 13 grand on his own.
Okay.
This is like, we got to get at least double that number.
So I need you to pump that right now.
That is getting pumped.
Oh boy, look at that.
So there are obviously a lot of national, nationally prominent campaigns and nationally
prominent politicians that go out and endorse some of these races.
Whose endorsement would you court if you had the opportunity?
And every single leftist in this cycle, we've seen from from Zoran to Daria
Lisa to Chris Rabb to Melot, who's going to get through Dr.
Hamoui, again, we were endorsed by Congress from Ro Khanna.
Um, there's also justice Democrats.
Have you reached out to them at all?
We're a red, we're a red to blue.
And I know that's, you know, blue to blue is a little more sexy.
But I do, and I do very much appreciate all the work
in Justice Dems.
I mean, absolutely incredible.
And I do hope that in this moment that, you know,
when we say run candidates everywhere,
run socialist candidates everywhere,
we gotta make sure that we run those
that are gonna be red to blue flips.
Because we do have a real opportunity, a real moment.
So yeah, I can't wait to,
we've had some conversations a little bit earlier
in the campaign, we'd love to circle back.
And then we got a lot of wins,
we got more wanting to do.
And I know, you know, we're of the left,
grassroots. So I know resources are we're never going to out raise the right wing, uh,
Debronies, but we, we are intentional with ours. And I think that this is an,
this is a campaign worth being intentional on. Yeah. Okay. But yes, money please.
All right. So, oh, you brought up, uh, the flock cameras. We should talk about that too.
So, um, you mentioned, uh, just now that folks all over the issue of race concerns
about flock surveillance cameras spying on them, which I feel like, you know, state like Missouri,
there's a there's a libertarian streak and a lot of folks. Yep. We got rid of right to work. We
raised an amendment wage. Yeah. Jeff City, the Republican supermajority, taken away. But now
I know we do, we have a populist strain, always have. But yeah, part of that, of course, is,
you know, being wary of mass government survey, surveillance, which is happening. The state
state has even blanketed rural areas with cameras that scan 20 billion plates a month
nationally and feed them to police officers and ICE agents.
Some Missouri cops are using the cameras to stalk their wives while they're at work.
I have that story right here, which is, I guess, expected.
Here it is.
Cops are using lesbians readers to stalk people, including another in Missouri created
five, four, two test searches over the course of 10 months to monitor the
warehouse of both his wife's car and a mysterious second vehicle.
Um, what's your policy on cops getting cooked?
I love, uh,
they be able to, should they be able to monitor and surveil their wives and,
and, uh, numerous other, uh, Missouri, uh, folks.
I am, I am, I think I can say confidently that I am pro cops getting
cooked.
Okay.
So you go and clip that one.
I think I can go ahead and I stand behind that.
They should, they should have to work it out in their marriage through communication rather
than surveilling their watch.
Yes. Like if you, like you can bring the chair closer, you don't have to put a camera, just
move the chair a little bit closer.
The group called deflock job and put that timeline together using have, have I been
flocked where the pattern was reported to the job and police department and the allegations
were duly investigated.
Um, but let's get back to the case.
Stitch was, cause I'm fascinated with this district.
What have you been hearing from the constituents regarding the flock cameras and what's
your plan to regulate surveillance while you're in Congress?
right and so we because we've got quite a few military bases that are in our
state and you know mark out for the republican incumbent he's on the
appropriations committee and so he's just selling out our state to defense
contractors he's using loopholes that if you name something this that will get
money for this but it's actually just going to weapons of war that's going
to be used and in palestine so yes i am very much i'm somebody when we
talk about defunding ice i think we need to go a step further because of
course we're gonna defund ice but we need also defund the department of
Homeland Security, which is just the Department of Homeland
Domestic Terrorism. And so we need to get rid of this security
state. When I'm talking to folks, and this is when I say they're
surveilling you too, like it's not, they're not just
surveilling me. Okay, if you're watching from Missouri, and
you're like, well, you know, Hassan that a song guy, you
know, keep an eye on them, they're surveilling you too.
And sometimes the cops doing it. Yep. Exactly. And so we, and
our folks rule America, just like all Americans, what do
you don't look at me don't spy on me. Yeah. And so like,
I'm going to be, you know, I've got some legislation that I'll be putting together, especially when it comes to, you know, we talked about the military bases where there's any kind of testing of different weapons because, you know, we, they have the ability to test these things and not tell you what it is they're testing.
But we can put legislation together that says if you're going to do a test, you have to let us know. And I think that's enough above, you know, I raise or the folks can.
What are we testing over here, right?
So again, it's raising the consciousness, right?
And it is also being firmly against it.
I want to make sure that we do everything we can to regulate.
And by regulate, I mean, hearings, investigations,
we need to prosecute these folks.
Again, we talk about in the online space,
I think we also need to make sure we have a digital bill
of rights or some sort of online personal bill of rights
just so that we have our protections.
So we know that our data isn't just being sent.
when we hit accept all cookies, I don't know where those are going.
I can't eat them, so I don't want them.
So we just need to make sure that we stand firmly against these things that we know are
terrorizing us.
But we got to meet folks who are Democrats who won't say that because they're taking
Palantir money, Hakeem Jeffries.
Yeah.
All right.
So let's talk about the World Cup.
You brought up the fact that there's a temporary jail that was created.
It's the city's first since 2009.
The city spent $26 million on this temporary jail for the World Cup.
Two dozen community groups say it looks like an ICE detention center and as of June 24th,
there have only been two arrests and weeks before kickoff, they did something that is
really messed up, which is the reinstated bus fares.
of years of being the first major American city with free transit. Let's watch this video
from a friend of the show, Povlatori finds out real quick about the World Cup and the
money being wasted. And then I want to ask you your opinion on it.
Never played each other on a World Cup. They would meet in Kansas City, which is an
absurd kind of idea, right? That these kind of...
Why is it absurd? Why is my man shitting on Kansas City? It's not absurd. Kansas
the heart of America and heart of the World Cup.
Say it louder.
Say it louder.
Folks who graduate from the Custodian Bac would eventually meet in Kansas City.
So that would be an amazing game.
And so what did the public pay for the possibility, the privilege of hosting such matches?
There is a particular big ticket item funded by taxpayers in Kansas City that, again,
required a bit of a pop-up construction here, Adam.
Yeah.
I mean, this is of all the stories I think in the lead-ups, the World Cup, this is one of the more bizarre ones.
A modular jail.
So they said, we need a jail.
And they said, we need a jail quickly because we might...
That's what I always think. I'm like, oh, a wonderful opportunity for the city, maybe boost some commerce.
Right, right.
Boost some attention, bring some shine to Kansas City.
And I'm like, what do we, what can we do?
Let's spend 26 million dollars on a temporary pop-up prison.
That's it. That's the one.
It's so fucking simple.
That's the one during the World Cup.
There could be a streaker.
There could be.
Who knows?
A guy in a wolf costume could turn into a bank robber again.
Yeah.
And I think it was maybe based on perceptions of soccer fans
that some people would argue are fair and accurate,
that other people would say are typecast
and a little bit outdated.
This is now 25.8 in totality.
Who pays for that?
Sensually quarter cent sales tax.
From what I can see, that's around 24 million
that that brings in a year.
So this is essentially over the years budget in order to do that.
And the city architect gave a construction update
in which she provided some of the images for this jail.
You go see that.
Those are Christ's churches.
They should say, I mean, this is Robinson.
Good morning, Melissa Robinson, third district vice chair.
Who is the council member who said that actually voted to approve the project?
So this was city councilmembers, I guess, seeing the fruits of what they had voted for.
This is like the worst episode of House Hunters.
Looks like a nice detention center.
Yes, we love it.
This is public money going towards the construction of this modular
jail that is being built by a private contractor whose previous work is also
worth noting here. Why?
Why is it worth noting, Pebler?
Well, because the company's name is KBR.
And you may know them from previous detainee facilities such as the one at
Guantanamo Bay, which is again just like great.
Glad we got the Guantanamo Bay guys as a city.
I'm glad the World Cup has brought us all together.
And we've reached twenty three thousand, by the way.
But that's not enough.
We got to get to thirty three thousand.
Oh, man, thank you.
And just the construction, the completion date of this.
It said May of twenty six.
This is the catch of the whole thing, the World Cup jail is not ready for the World Cup.
Messier and Ronaldo have never played it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Your thoughts.
I mean, it's insane.
It's insane.
It's actually insane.
What?
And they didn't mention, there's another jail that we just put up.
They didn't mention that one.
Um, so what does that say about the priorities?
Like, what does it say about our priorities that we can find $26 million in a pop-up
jail, which might ultimately be used by ICE, but we're recharging working people just to
ride the bus.
Yeah.
I mean, our city wasn't looking for a real public transit solution.
They wanted a headline.
Now, it's crazy to me that we can read, and in fact, doubling down on the World Cup,
which I'm a former Division I athlete, I ran track, sprinter, anything more in the
lap is called punishment.
I stand by that.
I was out, my wife is Croatian, we watched Croatian away in the other night, we're
town, you know, watch the game through the windows. It felt like awesome. It was great.
One of the reasons why the World Cup is here is because Kansas City is fucking dope and we have
the best people in the world. And the powers that be hijacked our nostalgia, like I said earlier.
How is it that we're going to add bus fares? We're going to add bus fares for the World Cup.
We're going to add actually even more bus routes. Okay, this sounds great. World Cups
over. I guess what's going to happen those extra routes are gone. They're gone. We have a street car.
Now we have a bus fare remains. Bus fare remains. So we have a street car sign.
Street car that goes downtown. Pretty parts of downtown affluent. I live downtown, right? So like,
I use a street car. Mm-hmm. Why is street car free? Why is street car free that goes to, you
know, downtown river market affluent to UMKC, the Plaza affluent? But hold on. I'll make
that makes sense. Why is it again? Who is the city for? That's the question. It's not for us,
apparently. Yeah. And we have a mayor who would rather take PR trips and go to Super Bowls and
jump in pools. And he would call him the, his name is Quentin. He doesn't think of the Quentin
shuffle. It's kind of like the Cupid shuffle, but like just a whole lot less rhythm, like no,
no rhythm at all, pretty much. And so you can do that. You can jump in circles for
for billionaires and answer their phone calls. But you know, when, you know, single mom, when,
you know, the disabled veteran needs to get from point A to point B, all of a sudden,
the city's nowhere to be found. It's a joke. And I love my city. I love the people of my city.
In fact, I like some of the electeds in our city, but it is painfully obvious what is happening
right now. This is, I mean, this is gentrifying an entire city, not just certain parts of
our, of our town. It's all of us. They're trying, they, we brag about all these,
All the out of towners who have moved into downtown now as I'm going to have to probably get forced out.
My rent is still too damn high and I'm running for congress and I'm looking at places where I'm going to have to move because if
all of this redevelopment happens
They put the stadium down there
It's not this little bill. It's not the footprint of home plate to outfield. It's all of the area
It's going to kick us out. It's going to have all the profits go to the same rich folks who bought out our politicians
The same folks who bought out the people are going to be constructing it and they're going to get their C suites
And they're going to get their tickets to the games
They're going to get their campaign donations and and such as life until it's not going to be life anymore because we're not going to allow it to happen
It's not going to be business as usual. We we refuse
We've seen this like I said with our KC ice-free campaign with KC DSA
We stand up we fight back we match the courage of the folks of our district. Our district is fascinating
We beat that stadium fight by 16.
That's not just a bunch of wokies.
That's not a bunch of commies.
That's a bunch of people working people saying, fuck this.
So we'll say it again.
So I know this is almost like,
it's the same old song and dance over and over again.
And it's becoming a bit of a cliche here
as far as like horrible priorities
for city and state government.
But the Trump administration right now
is scouting a warehouse in South Kansas City
to turn it into a mass detention center
and could cage as many as 10,000 people.
Icoresse in Missouri already up 76%.
And last year, mass agents stormed
a Mexican restaurant in Liberty, grabbed a dozen workers,
and a federal judge later ruled the raid warrantless.
As a congressman, what is your plan
to protect the immigrant families in Kansas City
and around the country from a federal kidnapping operation
that's snatching people off the street?
And and what is your take on ice as well? What should we do with ice? Yeah, we're gonna abolish ice
It's not a it's not a few rotten apples. The tree is rotten and so we're gonna make sure that we abolish ice
We I mean again, we come from the organizing space. We show up for our folks
I guess just this morning tragically we just had a bunch of our folks abducted
I just was on the plane and saw saw the updates
And so we're gonna make sure that we literally in the trenches are there for our folks and on a
Legislative level again, we're gonna make sure that we talk about pathways and citizenship
We guarantee pathway to citizenship for anyone who was assaulted by these goons automatic and I want reparations
I want I want accountability. We're going to prosecute these clowns
We're going to make sure that yeah, we are going to lock them up because you know what that's
Barbaric that is
It is also illegal. Yeah, and so yeah, we're gonna we have we will prosecute it's time for law and order. It's it's it's time for
Uh, law and order.
It's time for law and order.
No, but like actually, but no, it's, it's not for us to uphold international
uphold American law.
And I'll just be a human.
And so yeah, no, we will make sure all of these folks are held accountable.
They will be prosecuted.
We're going to introduce articles of impeachment.
I don't care if we don't have the numbers to convict, although we
might, uh, after November, but we need to have a merry-go-round of Democrats,
a merry-go-round of progressives every single day for this entire cabinet.
Every single day. We need to make sure that we again
Don't talk about reform it is abolished and it is to be remade in the image of people what they with a
North star of I want you here. I don't want you not here. I want you here. Yeah
We're not gonna and we got a quick shadow box in these right wing conceptions. Yeah, you know when Kamala VP Harris said don't come
You should have told them to when you talk about one of the elite though military force at the border
Who are you talking to if they wanted a Republican they vote for a Republican? Yeah, and so yes
It all comes but again remember you're not just
working to
Defeat a a moderate Democrat who's wishy-washy and no one can identify exactly what his policies are but you're
You're you're working to unseat or you're working to take out a a Republican as well
And these issues still are issues that pertain to every existence of working-class folks,
regardless of their political ideology.
Well, because we can't expect to have any help from these reactionaries, right?
Like, we know that they are the worst.
We know that these are not serious people.
And so, again, we, you know, we continue to show up for our folks,
but, like, Mark Alford doesn't give a damn about us, right?
And so it is very much as we name that villain and attack that flank,
flank, we also need to say, like, where is my opposition party dog?
Like, what are you doing?
And so it's not, you know, we can, we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
You know, we can say, do better as these folks continue to do worse.
Yeah.
Um, so you're running on publicly owned, uh, permanently affordable housing and
on repealing the fair cloth amendment, the federal law that's blocked
construction of new public housing for decades.
What does social housing look like in Kansas City under Congressman
Congressman Gray, and how do you break the death grip that landlords and developers have on this country's housing supply?
Yeah, so we need to take on these corporate landlords. We need to get private equity out of our lived experiences out of our life.
So when I talk about social housing and I'm informed by the tenants of our city, you know, it is a home that is yours, democratically controlled.
it's off the market and it's funded in perpetuity. And it's all throughout our city and it is based
on the fact that housing is a human right. It's not that we need looser zoning restrictions
because also who's the one deciding what should be loosened by the way. It's the fact that we
don't have it funded. We need funding. And I was under President Clinton that we got the
Faircloth Amendment, which is just gutted public housing. President Clinton and the
telecommunications act is the why is one of the reasons why we're in the media
links landscape that we are today while there is no radio while there's
what the big four or three it seems like it's getting smaller
naff every single day exactly right there's a reason why people in Missouri
don't like the democrats and i think a lot of people automatically assume
it's because you know they're racist or this or that
and i'm sure there's you know some voters who who lean on that side for
sure but i think even those voters feel like
there's no alternative. It's not like the other side is actually offering them any benefits,
and all they've done as far as their form of governance, as far as their legislative agenda
has been jobs being shipped overseas and their quality of life diminishing. And in that anger
and that frustration, they turn to the opposition that says, you're right to be angry.
You're angry at what? You're angry at undocumented immigrants? Actually, they're the ones who
stole your jobs. And that's not the case, right? It's a capital owner that shipped your
jobs away. And it's sometimes a Democratic Party that was working at the behest of these
capital owners that shipped your jobs away.
You remember that clip? It was right after Trump got inaugurated the second time. It
went viral. This guy, farmer, Trump guy, under Biden in the IRA, took a bunch of
the subsidies to like completely like revamp his farm, his equipment, ton of money, right?
And then of course, Doge happened, Trump took all that away, you know, gutted all that.
And he was on MSNBC, actually, big old, burly white dude who was bawling his eyes out.
And he was, you know, but his takeaway was that I will never do business with the government
again.
And so like, that's why we say we need socials running everywhere, including in red to
blue because my brother, you are so close.
It's not the government.
It's the fact that you have these sellouts and oligarchs who are trying to make it so that you cannot be made whole from your government
Yeah, and so that's why it's like I'm not educating. I'm not connecting that dot for you. I'm saying my brother
I got your back number one and number two you
Can you feel you feel what I'm saying right and sometimes it's just that simple and so I need and so next time
I don't want to not do business with the government
I want him to call out the folks in government who are fucking him over. Yeah, and right now
It's Trump and these reactionaries and these warmongers going back to the primary though
You remain primary opponent Jordan Herrera is running as a bipartisan bridge building moderate
Okay, he worked as an assistant attorney general under Missouri's far-right Republican attorney general
He won't touch the data center fight at all. He's been slippery on abortion
And he won't even say the word genocide when it comes to Gaza
What do you say to primary voters because that's you know what you're going into right now?
What do you say to the primary voters who've been told a moderate is the safe choice?
And why is now the right time for a democratic socialist instead of I guess maga light?
Even though Kamala Harris basically lost on that front as well
I want folks to tell me what they think moderate means, you know when I when we talk about a
better road as possible
I want folks then to tell me what that means like what is the air feel like can you get
from point A to point B. Can you go get a checkup? Like what do you all think it means
to say a better world is possible? Because so far when I hear folks saying to go towards the center
all I'm hearing you say is a better world isn't really possible and I don't really
feel like working on it. Like that is the difference right now is we need someone who
is going to fight unapologetically. I'm not going to be swayed or moved based off of
what the algorithm says today or based off of what I think is supposed to be said today.
No, no, I am running with a movement and a working folks lived experiences.
I don't and I'm an organizer who comes from the space of co-governing, right?
So like our folks, our movement, we should always be in lockstep.
We should always be doing these things together.
And if you're going to be wishy washy on one thing, how can I, you know, again,
I'm circling back to the, the, the clip, I should have sent it to you.
No, like how can you be someone who says you want to champion working folks?
you want to champion healthcare and then go on a podcast and make fun of quote unquote
methods.
Like, how can you say you got so much great area?
We love our folks in the Ozarks, but just don't talk to the methods.
And then double down and say they make themselves known as a punchline.
So what is that moderate?
Is that centrist?
Is shitting on working folks with addiction?
Is that moderate?
Because if that is, I don't want nothing to do with it.
But I think what our folks do want is healthcare, housing, a job, and to make sure that we have
a climate that's going to be around for a while, because I want to go outside.
I want to make sure that we don't have these crazy droughts as making our yields even lower
than the yields already are.
I want to make sure that our folks are guaranteed it all.
And if you're going back and forth because you're trying to play politics, I don't
play pundit.
I'm a person.
We don't play games, period.
Live and we win and we don't win by someone who doesn't quite know what it is. They want to do. Yeah
You got either shit or get off the pot. Yeah, you know, by the way, you have a beautiful bidet in there
That was no, thank you. Yeah. No, I have a bidet in every every bathroom in this house
I feel like the day for all is my if I was running for office. That's what I would make bidet baby
Yeah, um, okay, so
We talked about Jordan Herrera
You've been blunt about
the state of black political leadership. The congressional black caucus has been
seen as a way to defend entrenched political power and not create new
opportunities for young black men and women that want to rise to the ranks.
You've said too many black places are being bought up in service of a genocide,
in service of tax breaks for the rich. You've called out who Keem Jeffries
taking Palantir money while Palantir profits off of bombing children. What is your critique
of black political establishment and the congressional black caucus and what's your vision to change
it from the inside of elected? I've been extremely disappointed with the
congressional black caucus. Remember formally the conscious of the Congress. If that is
our conscience, if this is where we are, then I think that we need a new conscience.
I mean, how do I say this?
How do I say this?
I guess it touches on what I said a little bit earlier, right?
It's just the weaponization of one's blackness in service to capital and service
to empire and service to, you know, in some cases a black bourgeois.
Um, why isn't the Congressional Black Caucus championing Medicare for all?
Yeah.
Why isn't the Congressional Black Caucus championing the war powers resolution?
Why are we taking APEC money? Period.
Or I think the most I've spoken when it comes to genocide in Gaza.
And that's one of the reasons why I ran initially in the fifth against Congressman Cleaver is
that, you know, that seat before we were gerrymandered was a D plus a thousand, you know, like that
should have been a seat that, that sets the agenda for the nation, a radical, bold,
progressive, leftist, socialist agenda. And that is just not what we had. And, and
You know, I think, I think, for example, Wesley Bell and St. Louis, you know, case and point,
you know, we, we, um, we're not endorsed by Jamal Bowman, but he's a friend of the campaign.
We saw what happened to Jamal Bowman with Lattermer in New York.
I mean, and, and, and even in, to my specific example, the person that reached out to
me was a black woman.
Yeah.
So, you know, it is, it's a shame.
It is disappointing.
I'm not sure if I'd be allowed in the black caucus, to be honest with you.
I'm going to try to, I'll try to get in, but I'm going to be very blunt is
that this the the era of of do nothing goes to everybody and so we're done with doing nothing
and we need again what happened what happened to the conscious of the congress what happened
to your moral clarity what happened to love and liberation yeah what happened to any of
that and so no I haven't you know I um I haven't gotten no one's reached out from the cbc
to me um but my number is always open and I would love to have a conversation because I
I would love to tell our folks some things that we need to do better or just do period.
Because right now it's been very disappointing, especially, you know,
and to shill for apartheid is just a level of
and not even cognitive dissonance.
It's just a level of fecklessness, a level of corruption and sellout.
You know, it was a tiny she code said, you know, there's a familiarity,
right? He felt a familiarity when he was there. Yeah.
How could you not? And we need to start calling Israel an apartheid state. It's apartheid Israel.
It's not Israel. It's apartheid Israel. And we also, we need to call out, we need to call out our
folks in the Congressional Black Caucus and I plan on doing that. And that doesn't mean I'm not
mean. In fact, I'm a pretty affable guy, but our folks need more than window dressing and
taking the photo ops. Yeah. What about Hakeem Jeffries? Will you support Hakeem Jeffries bid
for Speaker of the House? And perhaps even more importantly than that, do you think Chuck Schumer
is finally old enough to run for president? I think that I think that Chuck Schumer,
you should go older. I think he needs a little bit more marinating. Yeah. He's close.
I just want to see maybe another decade or two to see if he can really,
you know, really get really get there. No, I've already called for Senator Schumer to step aside.
Yeah, get out of here. When it comes to Hakeem Jeffries, I'll very similar answer to Daryl
Lisa. I will I'll talk with my constituents and see I mean, no, the answer is no. Okay.
All right. What are your Okay, so I like to cause the Zoran question.
He made it very easy to understand top five policies that he would like to be defined by what are your top five priorities for
Kansas City and how would you go about implementing them? Yeah is healthcare. It is housing guarantee job living wage union protected
It is taxing the rich getting rid of Citizens United, you know
Big money out of politics and then it is divesting from the war machine. Those are our big five
because
everything if we take care of those things
especially when we get money out of politics,
the actual downstream of making our folks whole
is gonna be transformational and that applies.
There's no arbitrary boundary that would say
you don't deserve all those things.
And the reason why we don't have some of those things
is because of the corruption and the gross and the swamp.
And when we liberate ourselves of that swamp,
everything changes.
All right, so we're gonna do rapid fire
and then I have one last question.
Yes, don't.
Rapid fire. Do you support Medicare for all? Yes. $25 minimum wage? Yes. Universal childcare? Yes. Social housing? Yes. Repealing the Faircloth Amendment? Yes.
Abolishing ice and prosecuting ice? Yes. Cash reparations? Yes. A moratorium on data centers? Yes. Repealing the right to work nationally? Yes.
Yes, banning congressional stock trading. Yes, ending citizens united. Yes ending America's permanent wars. Yes ending all USA to Israel
Yes, and by the way, uh, we're gonna free Puerto Rico as well. Hell yeah a free Palestine free pal. No, no
I mean I want to I want a I will turn it on asking on top. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, absolutely
River to the sea. Okay. Um
so, uh
The primary is on August 4th. You've outraised your moderate opponent nearly 5-1, almost entirely
on small-dollar donations. You see the average is $21 or something like that. We are about to hit
$30,000 on today's fundraising initiative, and hopefully we can reach $30,000. But for people
hearing you for the first time today, what do you want them to understand about your
convictions and how can people chip in and get involved in your campaign both inside of
district and also outside or near the district? Yeah, I mean it comes back, I hope I'm not
sounding like a broken record, but it just, it really for me just comes back to the fact that
you deserve so much more. You deserve actually the most. You deserve to be free and fed.
We do have your back and what does that look like? It's making sure we guarantee the basics.
It's making sure that we are loud and proud and unapologetic in our support for working
folks, not just here at home, workers of the world unite because that is our through line.
And it is our power as working people.
And that's, I guess that's it, right?
I want our campaign to be one that empowers working people.
We need to empower our folks to realize
not just the potential that we've always had,
it's more than potential, it's just who we are.
And so if that can resonate, if that fires you up,
if that you think can make you whole,
then please join us as we build this better world together.
We, you know, donations, obviously grassroots campaign, I imagine after this episode is
clipped, we're going to need a few more dollars to counter.
I'm sure we'll be an incredible amount of ads, but at least I look good because I
got a haircut today.
It's not necessarily a bad thing.
Oh, I don't think it's bad at all.
Listen, it's actually worked in favor of virtually every single campaign so far.
He's bad in a thousand right now.
So, you know, congratulations.
I need that Hassan bump.
And hopefully, but no, it is inshallah, it is just one of those
things where, um, yeah, anyone tells you you don't deserve it.
Ask them why and you'll find out who's paying for them to say that.
So don't listen to that nonsense.
Don't listen to the pod say, bros, you save, we save each other.
Um, and I guess that's it.
Hartle for Congress.com donations, absolutely, but also volunteers,
phone bankers, if you are in the Missouri area, come and kick it.
We just had our office opening.
It's dope as hell.
So common vibe and and just pack your bags as we get ready to go to Congress, you know
We're gonna take two socialists from Missouri back to Congress like what the hell is that and also shout out real quick to
Again, my chapter DSA Kansas City
Democratic Socialist of America also shout out my boy Isaiah on the Kansas side endorsed by the Southeast Kansas
DSA so we are building power and
There's no better way to do it than with each and every one of you
So would love to tag you join us on this movement because we got us and there's no better way to do it. Hell, yeah. All right. Thank you so much
Some more primary voting information for everybody tuning in from the district
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2026 and polls are open on election day 6 a.m. To 7 p.m. C.t. I have a request for you though
if you don't mind, son.
So, because I'm trying to get you to Kansas City, right?
Just got to get you Missouri.
And I come from pro wrestling.
I'm a pro wrestling guy.
I'm a commentator.
I wrestled a little bit myself.
And I'm just saying, I am just Sami Zayn.
Just one was the first month.
First Muslim, right?
Yeah, I know him too.
You don't say was it?
Yeah, I mean, not like, we've communicated on the internet.
Mr. Hinerko also in a previous life?
No, I come from pro wrestling, right?
And I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
The main event of let's say, let's just say we call it, I don't know, fight for the fourth.
I'm just saying a tag team of Hartzell and Hassan, taking on some Drobronis.
You want me to do pro wrestling?
I want you in the ring.
I need it.
I need my tag team partner.
I got someone who's my best friend is obsessed with wrestling and he's done a little bit
of pro wrestling, but like he's learned how to do it and he's worked with some
pro wrestlers as well.
I mean, we could potentially make it happen.
No, here's the thing. I need this to happen because this is what the people need. It's
what they want. You got to get people what they want. Okay. And I just think that a chance
for me to take my shirt off in a campaign setting is something that I just don't want
to turn off. So if you can, you hear him saying right? We can do something. We reached
30K as of now. So we can, we can potentially make it happen.
and Hassan fight for the fourth let's oh yeah
Yeah, sure I'll bring y'all heard that I'll bring back that confirmation that was our contract signing
I'll bring back that was the Muhammad Muhammad. Yes
Kids asked your parents there you go. Yeah, no, I've we've watched it on the stream. I said he's it's actually insane
It's that whole money care that's back then when you watch it back then he's obviously like the villain
But like if you listen to what he's saying with today's perspective, you're like, wait a minute. He's like not wrong
He was just doing Mandela like what are we doing?
He was literally talking about how like all Muslims are being blamed for the crimes of the few and it's like America's
Actions have actually destabilized this region. Oh, you got deep. That's it was a hell of a problem. Muhammad Hassan
Yeah, yeah, I think you know he now owns a car dealership. Oh, he does. Mm-hmm. He's also not Muslim
No, not even Arab. I think it's like Italian or something. Yeah. Yeah, it's so funny and it was it was always hilarious because his manager
Was was speaking in Farsi
And he didn't speak Arabic at all
But he would just like say a couple of Arabic words
But then his manager will come out and speak in Farsi and you're like what the fuck is this if you know anything about
about if you know, if you're from the Middle East, you're like, what the fuck this is?
It was wild. No, no, this makes sense. Absolutely crazy. But it was awesome. I love like I did.
You know, I am, you know, I'm fascinated with like, uh, American versus the, uh, versus
the undertaker. Yeah. American, you know, American culture and some of that is, you
know, racism. And I think there's some very funny moments that come out of that
when they're just like trying to piece these things together.
It goes through Kansas City, the heart of professional wrestling.
Yeah.
Handsome Harley Race, all kinds of stuff.
And so what I'm saying is we can add Hassan's name to the history books of professional wrestling.
I'm a I'm also an old man.
I'm 34.
I'm about to be 35.
We're the same age.
What do you mean?
Oh, yeah.
I'm up.
Yeah.
But you're your athlete.
You're athlete.
I'm not I play I now, you know, destroy my ankles.
Every time I play basketball, you know what I mean?
It's just it sucks.
I saw you didn't push.
I saw you did some pull-ups the other day. Yeah, I did some pulls for for Claire's campaign, you know had to do it
So hey, we'll we'll see we'll we'll make it happen. Thank you my brother. Appreciate you. This was great
This was wonderful. All right, everybody. I'm gonna I'm gonna play you this
Wait, not this clip. I'm gonna play you
GOP rep Alfred
while I
Walk harcel out and take photo with them and then we're gonna be back to doing
We'll have this conversation again and see who's right.
I mean, that's really what the Republican plan is to deal with gas prices.
Hope.
Hope that this ends sometime soon.
Hope that the economy, the crude oil market will stabilize.
Hope gas prices will come down.
And hope that it does not undercut their own affordability message come November.
When you talk to other Republicans, they say, hope is not a plan.
Josh Hawley, being one of them, told me that they need to act, do something now,
like they're doing something at least, otherwise voters are gonna really take it
out on Republicans. And the question is have they even convinced voters that
this is a sacrifice that they need to make? That's another thing I heard from a
lot of Republicans too, like Congressman Mark Alford from Missouri, saying that we
need to convince voters that they may have to pay 30 cents more per gallon at
the pump because it's worth it. In Lindsey Graham, I asked the same question
today to them. I said, what about these gas prices? So it'd be much worse
if Iran had a nuclear weapon. And so that's the convincing that they have to do, but they're all
over the place and they're not making their case to the public. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think, uh,
the good people of Missouri believe that nonsense.
You know, I don't think it works like that. I don't think it's a convincing message to be like,
Sorry, your gas price is going to go up. Sorry, we just have to keep burning a billion dollars and we got no money in the tank for you
We got no money in the bank for your needs because all of that has to go to waging wars at the behest of Israel
You know
Anyway
Maybe we'll bring will do Kansas City as well
Okay, that was a lot let's look at Fox News
Malding now imagine Fox News Malding about Democratic Socialism brewing in
in blue cities, what would they do if Kansas, Kansas City and St. Louis, a slew brought
two Democratic socialists, elected and the Congress?
I mean, I don't even know.
I don't even know what that would look like.
Okay.
They would be you'd be giving Fox News aneurysms
Okay
They would vomit live on air I think I think Jesse waters might have an actual aneurysm like he might actually crash
Don't call STL the slew the Lou sorry
The Democrat Party is facing a reckoning as far-left socialists sweep key races across
the nation.
Now, we've been watching this coming for a while, but now it's an insurgency, and moderates
in that party here better watch out.
Brian would be out doing this.
I'm Brian Chilmi, I'm Brian Chilmi, I'm Brian Chilmi.
Everybody else too.
The insurgency is rattling establishment Democrats, and sparking fears about the
future of the party during the midterm elections and beyond. I'm Harris Faulkner. You are in
the Faulkner focus. I call it the socialism disease. And if they don't put this down,
it's going to happen across the country and it affects everybody, not just Democrats.
This scroll shows the far left's influence right now across America. Major progressive
groups have endorsed nearly 20 candidates and at least 25 have already won in multiple
states including Illinois, Michigan, Maine and Pennsylvania. President Trump says it goes
beyond socialism.
Why do you think it is that now the endorsement of Zoran Mamdani means more than the endorsement
of Hakim Chakris?
Well, they're going radical left. They're going, and really, you talk about the Democrats
socialists, you talk really, it's really communist. If you look.
We wash pieces of this already. I'm going to skip it.
Huh. Uh, Wisconsin next. Yes. Tomorrow. Francesca Hawn is going to be in the building. I'm down
the ally. Brad Lander discusses very Jewish beliefs with Batya exclamation mark, uh, which
I'm going to skip because I don't really care about Batya. Sargon of a cod, Batya
on Garav Akkad.
Anyway, Chris Murphy says, Democrats should accept Trump voters not embrace socialism
in this full interview.
Chris Murphy is another one of these, like, moderate guys who has been trying to reposition
himself as somewhat of a progressive now, but it's not really working for him, especially
considering that in the immediate aftermath of the defeat of Kamala Harris, he thought
we should just lean fully into pivoting to the right rather than reconsidering where our priorities lie.
He did that thing and then now he's trying to be more progressive, but he's not fully invested
in being progressive. So, he also endorsed Mallory McMorris, so I don't think he's
too fond of the little movement that we've built. He's a Pino progressive in name only.
I love Pino. Pino is so stupid. Pino is such a stupid fucking term, and I love it.
Pino Noir.
Now is Democratic Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut. He's the author of the new book, Crisis of the Common Good.
Senator Murphy, welcome back to Meet the Press.
Yes. Yeah, thanks for having me. Let's first off start with your reaction to the latest
primary results out of New York. You've heard President Trump say that these candidates
aren't socialists. He's gone as far as to call them communists as someone who identifies
as a progressive. Is this a moment of reckoning for establishment Democrats? I think you're
going to have different candidates being nominated in New York City and suburban Connecticut.
This is a party that is also nominated and won with candidates like Abigail Spanberger
and Mikey Sherrill.
I want us to be a big 10 party.
I mean, I've been saying this for years.
I think that it's actually a sign of a party that is alive and growing when there's
a contest of ideas inside the party.
So I'm not a Democratic socialist, but I do believe that the Democratic Party has
been historically way too timid in taking on corporate power.
I think our party should have bigger ideas.
I put one on the table last week, a $25 minimum wage.
And I think we do have to have answers for the way
in which corporations and billionaires are taking over
and corrupting our politics.
So I do think that there is somewhat of a trend
that candidates who are confronting concentrated
corporate power in a meaningful way are winning.
And I think that that is something
that the Democratic Party should pay attention to.
there's a lot of polling that shows that the rise of socialism is becoming a big part of the
democratic base. In fact, over two-thirds of democrats view socialism more positively than
capitalism. Does the democratic party actually need to embrace the moniker of socialism, lean into it?
No, but I think, no.
Obviously he's not going to say, yeah, well, let's lean into it, you know.
We have to understand that people do not believe that this version of capitalism has worked and frankly it hasn't worked
I mean you have 40% of Americans today that are working full-time and don't have enough money saved up in the bank for an
Emergency car repair meanwhile, we just saw the first trillionaire made in this economy
This version of capitalism isn't working now
I make the argument in the book that we should embrace
You know what I call a common good capitalism a capitalism where we have more shared prosperity where we want more millionaires and less trillionaires
Where we have a higher minimum
This kind of stuff is pretty good
Honestly because it literally forces these guys to come to our side
Reluctantly because it recognizes that there's a real crisis in capitalism
Right. It's not far enough obviously and because they're
because they have this like weird predisposition to this moderate pivot, no matter what. We
just keep pulling the Overton window to our side and they just come along with it reluctantly.
You know, oh, we haven't done real capitalism. It's going to be real capitalism. I promise
it's going to be like they just love to ratchet. I've begun to realize that a lot
of these centrist Democrats, a lot of these liberals, they have no real ideology. Sure,
some of them defend corporate interests. Sure, some of them, many of them defend capitalism.
But ultimately, there are plenty of people who just love the ratchet, okay? They just love
ratcheting. So if they're just fucking win socks, we make sure that we blow the wins in our
direction rather than the right, okay? That's it. And eventually they're just going to be
like oh we want redistributive capitalism we want capitalism with real safeguards real protections
like and eventually you just pull them so far that they're like honestly okay fuck it capitalism is
not working whatever these dudes just find a million never ways to say they're kinsians yeah but
they're not actual kinsians right so eventually they'll get there and then eventually they'll
go further beyond. I really do believe it. Even with the Congressional Black Caucus too,
like, I think that while many people might not agree with this statement, I do think that
a lot of these guys just want to, you know, keep their power, keep their seats, and slowly
but surely, or eventually they understand that the only way to do it is by falling
in line with the momentum, right?
Wage, where unions are more powerful.
Democrats are not going to win by defending this version of capitalism, but I think we'll
be able to offer ideas on how to dramatically reform it rather than throwing out the entire
system.
Well, let's talk about one of those candidates who won on Tuesday and describes herself as
a socialist.
And that's Darlisa Avilia-Chevalier.
faced criticism now over deleted social media posts. I want you to take a listen to this
attack ad from her former opponent.
Let's meet Daria Lisa in her own words. She won't stand by Kamala Harris.
Isn't this kind of funny that this like because she won, this almost feels like she
won because of it rather than in spite of it?
Isn't that kind of funny that like the attack ad that was supposed to take her down, all
of a sudden turns into a ideological position that is actually successful at Harlem?
Like now it's a promo video, you know?
If you hit an attack ad of a candidate that won, all of a sudden it's now just a promo
video.
in the argument that it's like the anti-democrat posture in a closed primary in a fucking city
that went to Kamala Harris by plus 59 is now a viable way to promote the campaign.
Is that what you're trying to say? Because this didn't work.
The anti-comalist sentiment did not actually work to defeat the anti-comal candidate by
your definition.
What happened?
What happened?
This was sent to many voters in the district.
This right here was sent to voters in Upper Manhattan, in parts of the Bronx, and they
saw it and they were like, okay.
Okay.
Are you saying that this is a viable ad to win, Democrats?
Hmm, interesting.
A collector's item, folks.
Yes, I will be framing it.
Make no mistake, I will be framing it.
condition. PSA 10, I'ma get that shit graded.
It's for the American flag. She stands with the fight against my race. Meet the real Dario
Eliza, the one she tried to delete.
So to be clear, Senator, that was an attack from a fellow Democrat. You've talked about
this bigger tent. If you're saying the Democratic Party needs a bigger tent, does that include
someone who called a former Democratic president of the United States a rapist?
Yeah, well, I mean, I'm not super familiar with that race. All I'm saying is
that this party has to have a real contest of ideas. And I just don't think
that our defense of incrementalism has worked. So I don't mind a contest of
ideas. And I just don't know that we have had it to the extent that
voters have been satisfied. Listen, it's no secret. Voters aren't super happy with establishment
Democrats or establishment Republicans these days. I will say, though, what binds to-
Yeah, we- this can't be good for Kamala Harris, 2020. I mean, come on. Like, I mean, seriously,
seriously, it's just like, look, she apologized for it, but like, you know, this is the
only thing that they pumped
what are we doing
what the fuck are we doing you know
this is how many uh... of the voters in this district first encountered that
elisa
not good
together i think every democratic candidate that is running including
the ones in new york is that
they are standing up to protect american democrat
oh joe scarborough has some choice words for fucking chris murphy's uh...
Uh, interview here. Yeah, well, I mean, I'm not super familiar with that race.
This is what frightened republic is doing confronted with horror things Donald Trump has said now democratic senators
Are trying to say this about a congressional candidate who accused Joe Biden of rape stop now
Senator does this refresh your recollection be better than Trump's cowards
Why the fuck would voters care about this you idiot?
Why like they already saw it and they voted for her you fucking idiot
it. The fuck is wrong with you? It's so dumb. Like what you want a Democrat that is supposed
to caucus with this other Democrat now to instead spend a good deal of time rehashing
old tweets that she apologized for. Are you fucking stupid?
It's so dumb.
Comparing Dalia Lisa to Trump is also extra dumb. But that's
besides the point.
See, and right now, the biggest threat to this country is
are not a handful of House candidates in New York. It is
the president of the United States that is trying to destroy American democracy
and the Democratic Party left right and center is united around the fact that we
need to protect this nation from Donald Trump's attacks on the rule of law.
Okay to that end I do want to read to you part from your latest book Crisis of
the Common Good you say that many leading Democrats and even more in the
pundit class treat populist leaders like Bernie Sanders, Alexander Ocasio-
Cortez and Zoran Mondami as fringe threats to the party's electoral success. Voters chose
Trump because they wanted a revolution, but my party doesn't yet seem completely ready to seize
the moment. How do you seize the energy of the left wing of the party without alienating
mainstream voters and maybe even some Trump voters that might be willing to cross over and
vote for Democrats? Yeah, the argument that I make is that there are a lot of Trump voters
who believed that the economy is rigged and they mistakenly thought that Donald Trump was
going to unrig it. They now see him as a fake populist. And so they're open for to listen to
a Democratic Party that is for increasing the minimum wage, breaking up concentrated corporate
power, bringing back the strength of labor unions. Now, I think we have been probably
far too judgmental of some of these voters on the right because they don't share all of our
cultural and social views. I don't argue that the Democratic Party should change our views
when it comes to issues like guns or climate or abortion. I just think that we have to accept
into the coalition.
Dog, you win them over by offering them things, okay? You forced the argument to not be on the
grounds that Republicans cut, which is, you know, how many trans people you want to eradicate
from public existence, but you you force the argument to be on the boundaries of do you want
healthcare or not? That's it. I've never, I've never been one of those guys that's like, oh,
we can't win any Republican voters. I just have a different theory of change. And my theory is,
if you go to these Republican districts and you tell them like, we are not gonna, we're not
gonna allow AI data centers to prop up in your backyards is gonna jack up your
fucking electricity prices and and destroy your clean water supply or take
over your clean water supply we are going to stop that if you tell the voters
in that district like we're gonna fight for your health care too you know I
know the Democrats are not exactly beloved in this district right maybe
you're too worried and for far too long you've thought Democrats don't
mean anything Democrats don't actually do anything for you they don't do
write by you, but we are different. We are going to give you health care. We're going to give you
public housing. We're going to do a federal jobs guarantee. If you go in there and you tell them
like, here are the things that you need. We're going to improve your lives. The Republicans have
lied to you all this time. They've told you, oh, your enemy's transferred there. Your enemy is,
is, uh, is, uh, undocumented migrants or whatever. And then we have to spend billions
and billions of dollars on fucking Israel and Israel's wars and and billions of
dollars on a domestic occupation force and tens of millions of dollars on
flock cameras that are engaging in mass surveillance and peeping on you instead
of your roads then yeah I think that argument is very convincing that
That argument is unbelievably convincing.
I'm going to do public housing, I'm going to go to the front of housing, I'm going to
do a federal jobs guarantee, you're going to have a good paying job, you're going to have
health care, but you got to cut it out with this transition, like they're going to have
it too.
They're going to say, maybe there's going to be people who say, no, I really hate
trans people and I can't do that, right?
But the overwhelming majority of people are going to look at that and go, yeah, I'll
do that.
I don't care.
My argument always has been the same, he's like gunfuckers, or bible thumpers.
I'm playing Solidarity Forever in the background, tear to my eye.
What are your thoughts that bribers think we're pulling a stand for Law Order Justice by Epstein, Waste, Defton, Fraud?
Yeah, it's bullshit, and we got a hammer on, we got a hammer on that point.
Here we are.
Denver pride crowd reaction in Mila,
Mila Curus could be heard from miles away.
The one and only Mila Curus!
Bro, you're acting like Trumpers.
We make a rational choice in the best interest.
They only knew the facts.
Many of them are simply irredeemably white supremacists.
Even if they're on detriment,
We need to defeat these people completely and stop pandering to them. What did I just tell you I?
Didn't just I didn't say we're we're gonna pander to them
You think telling people that you're gonna fucking give them health care as pandering to them is just what you're gonna do
It's what you should do regardless
and no
There are of course going to be people that are like fuck you I don't care
But we shouldn't care that they don't care what you think raises don't the deserve health care
I'm sorry. We're gonna give them health care whether they like it or not
What do I always tell my fucking haters that come in here and call me a Muslim terrorist?
And and you know I talk about how all Muslims are pedophilic rapists or whatever. I tell them look man
I'm fighting for you, too. I don't give a shit that you don't like me
I'm gonna force that healthcare down your goddamn throat. Okay. That's it is that simple?
And here's the reality, there are a lot of people who will look at that and go, no, I
want to kill trans people, sorry.
That's my number one priority.
There's going to be people that say that, there are going to be people that say, no,
I don't care, undocumented migrants are scary.
We're going to purge them.
We're going to purge all migrants.
We're going to purge all black and brown people.
There's always going to be people like that that are not winnable.
There are certainly a lot of people who have been voted for Donald Trump, who are independents,
okay?
And there are going to be people that will look at that situation that haven't ever
been offered this alternative, this rational alternative, this self-interested option.
That's it.
People that may have voted for Donald Trump and wants a party that is going to un-rig the
democracy but may not be ready to join us on all of our social and cultural views.
We should give them a place in our party.
And I think the only way that we give them that place is by being stronger in the way
that we confront the consolidation of court.
I'm going to tell you that your audio quality on that was so quiet.
It was like how LaCroix takes a hint of a song from one room away.
Wait, what?
power in this country. Okay, let's zero in on that topic that you raised earlier.
And that is your new bill to raise the minimum wage. You are calling for a
minimum wage of $25 an hour. It has not been raised nationally since above $7
and 25 cents an hour since 2009. The most recent analysis from the
Congressional Budget Office said that even a $17 per hour raise would
result in massive job cuts. Would your bill actually do more harm than
good. Of course, NBC News reactionary at the behest of capital immediately. Oh my God. Fucking
all will economists say this is going to kill business owners. It's going to kill business.
Okay, dude. Fuck off. No, it wouldn't. And there's plenty of economic analysis to show.
It's a true gradual. Chris Murphy is correct, by the way. Yes. An increase in minimum
wage actually doesn't kill job growth or jobs in general. It's fucking bullshit.
That's old.
Well, there's old mentality.
At least $25 an hour, you're going to create more jobs
than you're going to lose.
And my bill doesn't do it automatically.
But this is actually a unifying issue.
And so when I talk about how you bring Republicans who voted
for Trump over to the Democratic side,
an aggressive increase in the minimum wage
is part of the answer.
If you ask Democrats in an open survey what they think
the minimum wage should be, they say $27.
If you ask Republicans independence,
They say $26.
You know why?
$25 is just the minimum wage you need
to pay your bills in this country.
And in the most affluent, most powerful country in the world,
if you work full time,
you should be able to pay your bills.
And by the way, we can afford it.
It's not like we can't pay a $25 minimum wage.
We just choose not to because we've become okay
with dozens and dozens of people in this country
making hundreds of billions of dollars.
So this is the kind of idea that shows
that the Democratic Party is ready
to fundamentally change this economy.
And I think this is the kind of idea
that brings Trump voters over.
Remember, there was a meme online about a year ago
in which folks were claiming to the right
that Donald Trump had already implemented
a $25 minimum wage.
And people in his coalition were super pumped about that.
We can't let Donald Trump pretend
that he's actually gonna raise wages,
but we gotta show that the Democratic Party,
if we get power is really willing to do it.
So on the issue of affordability,
there was a bipartisan housing bill
that passed both chambers of Congress,
but it's currently stalled after President Trump said
that he won't sign the bill until the SAVE Act is passed.
What are the elements of the SAVE Act
requires voters to show ID?
If there was a vote that came to the floor
that just required voters to show photo ID,
would you support it?
Well, I mean, it depends on what it looks like
in Connecticut, you know, we have safe and secure elections.
This whole idea behind the SAVE Act is trying to push a mythology
that our elections aren't secure, our rig.
That's not true.
The problem with the SAVE Act is that they don't really care
about the voter ID provision.
That's not why they're pushing the SAVE Act.
They care about a provision that would create a national voter
list that would allow Trump to go in and take people out of it
so he could claim that the wrong people voted in state elections.
It's actually why a lot of Republicans in the Senate don't support the SAVAC.
Donald Trump is the most unpopular president in the recent history of this country, and
so he is trying to rig the election apart by creating this national vote right now.
But Senator, if I could pin you down on that, though, do you think establishing a standard
by which a photo ID is necessary to vote in elections is something that should exist
in the United States?
Just that simple premise.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that.
Are these guys also trying to be the pro Trump?
Are they just fighting over one another?
All the major mountains are fighting over wanted to be regime propagandist.
That was going on.
It's a, it's sold as a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
So what are you talking about?
There are a lot of people in my state that don't have that ID and there's no evidence,
no evidence, zero evidence in this country that there is a problem at scale with people
faking their identification in elections.
And again, let's just, let's just dispense with it.
Okay, Chris, Chris is right.
Idea that that's what this bill is about.
That's not what this bill is about.
This bill is about trying to create a national voter list
that creates the pretext for Donald Trump
to try to say that state elections
have been rigged or manipulated.
Okay, Senator Murphy, we're gonna leave it there.
Thank you so much for joining it.
Doug, NBC News is the right of Mitch McConnell on this,
by the way.
Like any sort of nationalization of the election registry
something that fucking Mitch McConnell has opposed his entire life. What the hell is
going on dude?
Yeah that bleeding heart libtard Mitch McConnell.
There is a reason.
There is a reason why there aren't enough votes in Congress to get this done.
Because even Republicans don't want it.
So appreciate it.
Thank you.
We thank you for watching and remember- That's why Trump is molding.
oh shit my goat's over at the sunrise
movement Mitch hasn't been seen in two
weeks by the way yeah bro he's having
sex okay he went to a med spa and he's
getting his fucking back blown out what
is it to you you know what i mean let
him fucking have his fun he has served
congress dutifully let him get his shit
pushed in dude. What the hell?
No way! Not today!
Cory Bunker! Texas don't want you! Texas is so better than you! What are you doing?
Texas don't want you here! What are you doing?
We support across the nation and you're only calling for reorganization and
reformation? What does that even do? Our current
administration is tearing apart America. They're using
up our national resources to defend all you're doing is taking money from APAC donors and
not fighting for our communities.
Senator Booker, why should Texan listen to you when you've expected at least a million
dollars from APAC to serve better Democrats than moderate Democrats like you, Senator Booker?
We deserve better than so-called Democrats like you, Senator Booker.
The middle class built this country and labor built the middle class.
Look, it's not just this.
I can't do this.
I also know the story of America, like many of you.
It's a constant push and pull between peril and possibility.
It's a battle that's never truly over.
My shoe had won the last election by night.
Looking really good, Mr. President.
19 points.
That seat just happened to represent Quainville Place, O'Hurto, Mar-a-Lago.
He's running.
Look at him.
He looks great.
He looks so good
Yeah, you should have stayed in the race honestly
He could still be president right now
He could win if you vote for him if you vote for him he could still win or the United States of America
America. There's nothing. There's really nothing, nothing beyond our capacity if we act together.
So let's get up and fight back, God. I love you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
He still can't find his way off the stage. And of course, this is not an indictment
on Joe Biden. This is obviously an indictment on his family, on Jill Biden, and on Hunter
if if if if if Jill keeps doing this a hunter needs to intervene and say stop
doing this to my dad you know he sounds like he has marbles in his mouth
he's disoriented it's not helping his legacy or his image it's certainly not
helping the crowd I mean here they are yelling genocide Joe Adam listen it's
constant pushing pull between peril and possibility. It's a battle that's never
truly over.
That's your legacy old man. I hope you got still enough brain processing power to
understand that that's your legacy.
Those are Democrats, of course, um, who have not forgiven him for allowing what happened
in Gaza to happen under his watch.
And so, um, that's so funny for Fox News to say this, by the way, like what do you think
Israel's committing a genocide Fox News?
Like, I know you guys love, uh, highlighting the tension between the progressive wing
of the party and they do nothing, Dems, but you support Israel currently right now.
You support everything that Trump has done at the behest of Israel right now.
You know, it's just bringing up more anger in the party.
It's painful to watch.
You know, remember we made fun of him for as president,
lying on the beach in Rehoboth, Delaware,
like go back to the beach, you like it there,
you can relax there, like this,
being put in this position is really,
you wonder if he really understands
how bad it looks for him.
Yeah, and Democrats don't want him,
Democrats are ready to turn the page
and move to the next candidates.
They don't want this.
And so why they keep insisting
on allowing him to do it is baffling to me.
the
the
there's some about was more that I just like
I don't know what it is he just like scares me maybe is because he's like jacked
Don't talk about my governor. Is he good? I don't know. I actually don't know. I'm just,
this is pure vibes based. Okay. Entirely based off of vibes. There is something about his
vibes that freak me out. He's got like a like a vampire energy. And I don't know if it's
like a totally unwarranted of me to feel this way about him. But he is one of those guys
that I have that feeling about. Hogan Loki is better, but Wes Moore isn't the worst.
Okay. Chief Washington correspondent, Jonathan Karl, who will be hosting this week later this
morning. I think you're scared of bald people who use Botox maybe. John, good morning to
you. So let's start there with Iran and the U.S. once again trading strikes. Where
does this leave the ceasefire? Well, which state the obvious they haven't ceased firing.
I mean, we've had some significant exchanges of fire, no deaths.
These are targeted attacks on, it appears on both sides, but I think the most significant
thing overnight was the Iranians firing not just drones, but missiles at U.S. bases in
Kuwait and Bahrain.
That is an escalation.
This is beyond a drone hitting a tanker going through the Strait of Hormuz.
That said, I did.
Was an escalation.
That's literally just retaliation.
But what do you mean America struck Iranian bases on Iranian soil and then Iran
retaliated by striking American bases on foreign soil.
Why would that be an escalation from the Iranian side?
What the fuck
They're like no you don't understand you're not playing by the rules you're supposed to literally stick to just the tankers
You're not supposed to hit America back when America hits you
Okay, that's cool, I guess I don't I don't know why anyone that plays by those rules
But I fire the shaky ceasefire that does not involve the total ceasing of all firing
firing does at this moment appear to be holding. These are tipped for tat strikes with limited
damages so limited damage so far. Yeah, it just goes to show how delicate the situation
is though. John, I do want to turn to politics now. You also have an exclusive interview with
New York City Mayor Zoran Mondani this morning. Let's take a look at a clip. Republicans are
going to make you the poster child for the Democratic Party. Let them. We don't
have to ask ourselves what life looks like if a socialist wins. I won last November and
over the course of these last six months, what we've delivered for working people are the
very
This was beast mode. I'm glad he's getting more confident. As far as saying, like, look,
I got I got a record of show for it in a very short period of time, things we were
told were impossible.
So John, many are wondering if this mom Donnie movement is limited to areas around
New York City or could it really have a national impact on the Democratic Party?
I mean that's the big question and it's a big part of what I discussed with Mondani.
By the way, fascinating.
One thing that's super funny to me at least is the idea that these guys can't comprehend
anything beyond like individuals and their personal political pet projects.
This is not fucking Zoramundhani's project.
is democratic socialism is socialism in general, like, um, and he understands that, obviously,
but it's just really funny that these guys cannot contend with a world where it's not
like one person that's building their own personal machine because that's all they've
seen their whole lives.
So they can't contend with the reality where people all around the country, all around the
nation are actually working to serve the same cause, working towards the exact same goals,
to make our politics more responsive, to make sure that the people that we elect in
a position of power actually defend us rather than the interests of corporations and foreign
lobbies. And it's hilarious because like, like with Espaya, Espaya built a machine, right?
It was a machine of Dominican political power in the city, but it was a machine that only
served him, right? It wasn't, it wasn't a political machine that he built or a movement
that he built to, to, I don't know, unlock additional benefits for Dominican New Yorkers
or working class New Yorkers broadly. It was just a machine that got him elected
and gave him more power in his little fiefdom, right? And it clearly wasn't even successful
enough to, you know, make sure that he gets reelected, right? But, but that's basically
all these guys care about. So it's funny when mainstream media looks at a guy like Zoran
and they're like, Oh, this is just a guy who's like, this is the Mamdani project.
This is a guy who's like simply trying to build his own personal movement or whatever.
You know what I mean?
Getting interview.
I mean, he is unflappable.
He has been called by President Trump just a couple of days ago.
The biggest threat to America in 250 years is national democratic socialist movement.
Democrats have been almost as harsh. There was a manifesto put out of source a statement open letter by a group of moderates
And this was the bomb dynamite
Then the rest of the DSA slate that he did not endorse but he obviously wanted them to win would not have won their seats, right?
It's purposeful as to legitimize a bigger movement was no
No, I don't think so
I don't think so. You know what I think it is? I think it's a lack of of vision for these guys and it's to our benefit
It's not bad it's good if they don't understand if they don't understand that this is a national movement
And that's to our benefit
Okay
It's good. So as long as they don't grasp the severity of the changes that we're fighting for, they will continue underestimating our power, hopefully.
and they will continue to not actively try to defeat these incumbency, or defeat these insurgents.
And then, worst of all, I could totally see them trying to make sure that the opposition, like a Republican, wins,
as they tried to brute force Andrew Cuomo into the general against Zoran.
just to make sure that their theory of power remains at the heart of democratic party's national politics.
So running for congress, many of them currently in congress declaring we are capitalists not
socialists. They see him as a threat too. He sure thinks that his movement has potential way
beyond New York. Well, fascinating conversation. John, thanks so much for your time. We appreciate
It will be looking forward to it and turning tuning in this morning for more of Jonathan's exclusive interview on this week with New York City Mayor
Zoran, mom Donnie
She was Lebanon's conservation Queen
Consuminous, but what oh
This was unbelievably racist to hold on
Oh, this is what I want to talk about.
Tucker Carlson walks back, views on Islam as the problem, but then also, um, and then
we'll get the fun stuff.
Okay, we're going to get the fun stuff.
Don't worry.
I'd be surprised that the end result is genocide.
We shouldn't be surprised.
This has been coming for a long time.
Israel has completely changed.
I feel sorry for Israel, but the Israel that I first visited decades ago bears no resemblance
to modern Israel.
Is the United States complicit?
Of course, we paid for it.
We made excuses for it.
We made it possible, and there are weapons.
Obviously, of course we're complicit.
That's one of the reasons I'm upset by it.
That's my country.
These are my tax dollars.
This is my reputation.
This is the moral authority of the nation that my ancestors built.
Oh, I'm sorry, only 10 minutes of fun on a six hour day, I'm sorry.
I should cast aside this broader political project that I've been talking about.
Right as we are at the precipice of seizing more power.
My apologies, I should have told Hartzell Gray, hey sorry buddy, we're gonna watch
Jubilee videos today.
Unfortunately, I can't interview and fundraise for you because some of my jatters wanted fun day
Because it's Sunday
What do you want me to do man?
We're owed two more hours of stream, okay
Should I should I cancel Francesca Hong tomorrow so we can have a fun day like a true fun day
Is that what you guys want
Huh the cheeseheads are gonna be very disappointed
You don't want to disturb the balance between Madison and the rest of the, the rest of the
DSA chapters in the state, in the beautiful state of Wisconsin, or I believe we will
make a major impact. Green Bay Packers all day, baby. Woo.
will never get new viewers, Big Brow?
So yes, I feel very implicated in this, and enraged by it,
and not primarily enraged at the Israelis,
who I think are delusional for a bunch of different reasons.
I don't think that's an Israeli-specific phenomenon.
We felt a little bit of that after 9-11, when
a little bit of people bought the lies about 9-11,
or many lies about 9-11.
But the net result was to convince Americans
that they were under siege from global Islam,
that there were a billion people trying to kill them.
I felt this way, myself.
And many times I said on television,
the problem is Islam, the problem is Muslims.
Like they all wanna kill us, they're all crazy.
They're all in this lunatic suicide cult
created by Muhammad in the seventh century.
And I believe that.
I was hysterical, I believe that.
Now that's not true, nothing about that is true.
But I believed it.
So it's a little harder for me to judge Israelis
when they're like every Arab Christian or Muslim,
it doesn't matter.
Arabs are by definition committed
to the extermination of Jews
and we must kill them before they kill us.
Like they believe that.
You know, many would argue that Trump 2.0,
this second term has seen the president almost totally.
Do I believe him?
Some people will say it's Qatar funding
that's making him talk like this.
I still think that he's,
I still think, I mean,
And first of all, regardless of my opinion, him saying that matters, okay?
Let me just say that really quickly.
Regardless of my skepticism or scrutiny of Tucker Carlson's past and what he might do
in the future, him saying that is unbelievably important, okay?
Straight up.
No other way to look at it.
No other way to analyze it.
So make no mistake.
Tucker Carlson, someone who has participated in vile Islamophobic attacks for decades,
turning around and saying, I was hysterical, I was wrong. That is fucking huge. Okay? That
is huge. Having said that, however, I still do think that he is establishing a tremendous
amount of credibility in this sphere, which I still worry he's going to lend to, you
You know, whoever the Peter Thiel hand-selected person is going to be, most likely JD Vance.
Okay.
This week took across the platform another hardline anti-Semite pastor who told Togo Krossen
that Jews killed Jesus, whose writings rail against international Jews.
But unlike last fall's interview with Nick Fuentes, this time the media hardly noticed.
Yeah, I, I, um, uh, what do you call it?
I mean, he does this stuff all the time.
This stuff is par for the course. I that that this stuff is not even that surprising to me
Like
There are plenty of way more aggro out and about anti-Semites in the in the right wing at right wing anti-Israel sphere
Then Tucker Carlson, you know what I mean?
I think the real meat and potatoes that directly contradicts current output is not him fomenting
anti-Semitic conspiracies or leaning into like notable anti-Semites to interview.
As a matter of fact, I think this kind of commentary is only going to boost this credibility.
It's only going to
It's only gonna boost his credibility it's only going to
Comet more anti-semitism because he's such a good propagandist
Well right on the money
I think he's great. You better review
Obviously, he's great compared to Rubio, um, obviously, look, I'll support the best person.
I, I always have like JD Vance enormously. I think he's really smart. He's in an impossible
situation. I think he's doing his best. I strongly disapprove of obviously, as I've said 100 times
of this war and of what I love how Trump and others have been blaming Vance when he's volunteering
to go stop it. When internally it's confirmed he tried to stop it just like you did. I love
about the guy that was right. He's the bad guy now. The worst is full.
Oh, yeah. Oh, it's it's it's the people who tell the truth who are punished.
It's the people who try to do for selfless motives, the right thing who are
punished. Well, will you support J.D. Vant? I think he's great at
What is this?
God damn it, I'm having a hard time watching you whisper every time you're still chewing
and don't wait another 20 seconds to talk. Why don't you just put a 10 minute video on
finish your goddamn meal and then pick it back up after fuck me.
This is Tucker reading the room and building credibility for the most Nazi campaign he
either to run himself or the power behind the throne, probably Ennis. Yeah.
Yeah, I never really thought about it like this, but I do think that the next
2028 is going to be the fucking posters election, it seems. At least it's shaping up to be that.
Posters that power candidacies. On the one side, you got Tucker Carlson. On the other
side you got this community posting our way into a presidential candidacy.
But yeah, as I was saying, like Tucker Carlson, like pointing to Tucker Carlson's animosity
towards Israel, which reads to the average person as like a sincere,
A sincere position held by the majority and then tying it back to anti-semitism is always
going to be a foolhardy endeavor that actually makes people self-identify with anti-semitism.
I think the real way to counter Tucker Carlson's statements is, one, his own personal association
with JD Vance and to something that I've said over and over again. Him and even Nick Fuentes
want to turn America into Israel. Do you fundamentally oppose the things that Israel is doing on the
grounds that it's like murdering children? It's an ethno supremacist state. It's an ethno
state. Or do you oppose it because it's Jewish while also doing an ethno state? Nick Fuentes
This is made it very clear, he said openly on numerous occasions like, no, we want to
do what Israel is doing, but not for the Jews, but instead for Christian nationalists, right?
And I think Tucker Carlson has a similar opinion to that as well.
And I think that's the adequate way to oppose this agenda, this way of thinking.
Like, Ted Cruz would not give a shit about Tucker Carlson's quote-unquote anti-Semitism.
Man Richard Spencer had no idea how much him saying that he wanted Israel but for Americans
was going to come back to haunt the far right.
You think that's, no, that's a moment of honesty for Richard Spencer, who's an utterly relevant
figure anyway.
No one gives a fuck about Richard Spencer, it's not 2017 anymore.
Richard Spencer has literally become an open Democratic Party voter who unironically and
sincerely advances the NATO Atlantis' position.
And as I saw a video of him on the timeline, it was shocking.
He was critical of like Trump not doing enough for Ukraine.
Richard Spencer's turned into Richard Hanania or numerous other like Democrats who fucking
despise me on the timeline. It's kind of crazy. He just straight up is like, he straight up
keeps saying like, no, we're going to usher in a fascist world of fascist America and
in the United States, but we're going to do so by way of the Democratic Party.
on the right. And it is rising anti-semitism on the right. Look, the left a decade ago.
Got your liberal right? No, it turns out scratch a fascist and the liberal bleeds. It works
in the opposite direction to anti-semitism began to rise and the Democrat leaders
basically looked the other way and just hoped it would go away. And it didn't. It's
consume their party. There is a very real pro Hamas contingent of the Democrat party.
Here's the scary thing. I've seen more anti-Semitism on the right in the last 18 months than any
time in my life. And it is spreading.
I wonder what's going to happen when so many of these fucking, like Mr. Beat is a bit
of a liberal, no? Like what's gonna happen in the YouTuber like liberal sphere when the
DSA is the only game in town? Are they gonna have to go back on all the shit that they've
talked about me? Are we gonna get them to fucking say, hey man? Yeah, it turns out
you guys actually had all the motion. Because for years and years, these guys have fucking
Demonstrated this irrational hatred for no reason like the Liberals
I think one of those Liberals who never really did that too much and I think has been more radical than we give him credit is is uh, philte frankle
But yeah, it seems like he likes
He likes the dsa
Mr. Beat is cool with DSA to be honest. He was on that PV stream with you and Oliver and stuff. Yeah, I
Thought that these guys were for the longest time they were like objectively anti
Socialist anti-communist
Hated people like myself
May have even called me a terrorist, you know what I mean?
Mr. Beat is a big advocate of uncapping the house. I think he's pretty decent in terms of lives. Yeah, no, I know. I know that that's his attitude.
Wait, Mr. Beat is one of your ops. I know he's a massive live. No, no, no. I don't think Mr. Beat is one of my ops.
I just always assumed that he would be in the category of like liberal guy who thinks
Liberal guy who thinks any kind of socialist content creator is disgusting and ruining the fucking
Ruining the movement overall, you know
You see the Hen Mazik guy hold every name online none of them really cut like this one
So let's clear it up. This is why I'm not Hassan Piker. I pay my taxes.
Social wealth tax. I don't know what the exact number would be. I genuinely don't know.
Would you fall in the wealth tax? I don't really have a lot of assets.
I condemn terrorism.
Wait, I pay my taxes.
Dog, that's me talking about not having enough assets to be able to even get hit
with the wealth tax and me paying straight income. So 50%.
Favorite flag. Yeah, his Bola. No one deserves nine and I've
had an attack. America deserve 911. This video is so funny. I'm
saying I don't hate women. Shut the **** up you stupid idiotic
old lady. You turn out to be a slut who's craving for
attention. Old enough to count old enough to mount. I don't
hate gay people I am one I always say like if you work out you're gay bro you are the
gays you own a gym you are literally facilitating homosexuality I oppose the
regime in Iran wait why is half of this shit you like me very clearly joking
that he's taking sincerely and then the other half even a year ago did you ever
expect a 9-11 video to continue coming back around no no I didn't because I
I thought it was like already established.
You know what I mean?
Like we went through this process.
I got yelled at, I got death threats in 2019.
And then we moved on and you know,
there's a, there's, there's new shit
about how, I don't know how fucking I'm
in favor of current terrorism
as opposed to terrorism of the past.
that's what they say now. But it is kind of funny because people constantly bring that up.
And I just don't think many Americans give a shit about that where they're like,
okay, so he said Americans are 9-11 in 2019. What the fuck is that?
Like, what am I supposed to do with this information? You know what I mean? Like, okay.
And then if they read a little bit further into it, they understand what I was saying
or hear that I already fucking apologize for it or whatever.
At a certain point, people got to realize like it's not about that statement,
or even people misunderstanding it. Some people might actually misunderstand it and get mad.
Maybe they're in their fucking feelings, but most people are just upset about something else.
For a lot of people, it's about Israel.
Brandon Lee Mulligan called you a senior eater and it has fully come to pass.
Everyone, everybody has pounded your ass into oblivion while the candidate wins an election.
Beautiful, really. Thank you for, thank you for your suffering. Yeah.
Apologize, it was a mistake. No, I think it's valid. I should have,
I should have used a different sequence of words.
But yeah, the reason why they do this barrage of fucking silliness is because they just they
can't be like, we hate that he's fucking defending the Palestinian resistance. And we think Israel
is awesome. And we hate that he just like says it sucks shit all the time. And we just simply
can't punish him any longer because back in the day, we used to be able to fucking tell these
guys back in the day, we used to be able to tell these guys to shut the fuck up. And
and they would shut the fuck up,
but they never do any longer.
And as a matter of fact,
they'd actually boost their popularity.
So we're just gonna keep doing
this fucking disciplining operation
with all of us that at least other people.
The old enough to count thing
is all over Facebook recently.
Dog, that's literally fucking bro tips.
Look at me.
Like that's not that was a shot with a camera that was built in this decade
It's literally five pixels. I have a fucking three-head dog. Look at this
Look at look at my hairline, dude
Look at my fucking hairline. Does my hairline look like that? I wish it still did
The most embarrassing thing about this video is your shirt. Um, yeah, it wasn't great
Yeah
I would never go on a five-star trip to Cuba it's incredible
It's truly one of my favorite places officially.
I've never shocked my dog.
America, Kaia, please just f*** up.
Stop!
And even though we have two Middle Eastern men, we are not the same.
Uh, Middle Eastern men.
Did you get your, uh, subpoena? No, I never did.
Damn, your hairline did run away a little bit. I mean, honestly?
Brother, I love you, but you look like a thumb from Spiky's in that little photo.
Man, I know, dude.
Israelis are not making films about themselves, talking about how they are the real victims
of the last three years.
They're still incinerating policy families in tents and bombing apartment buildings
in Lebanon.
I've watched a film on the criticisms they endure while cheering it.
Every one of these Jewish horror stories goes like, I wonder what would happen.
happened, but I did wonder.
I mean, yeah, gold to my air quote, when peace comes, we'll perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our
sons, but it will be harder for us to give them, uh, forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons.
Peace will come and the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.
That's what gold to my air said.
Monster.
Disgusting monster, dude.
Well, your hairline always looks great except for the latest I've had it appear as you
made with Austin.
You look a little balding in it.
Okay, dude.
Start to take a settlement because your recommendation bro just turned 32 and I hope my hairline
comes back a little.
It does.
like a cancer. Anyway, let's go. Reminder, there have been more feature films made about
October 7 then about Ewo Jima, ay-ya-ya-ya.
Why are you sending me a fucking bad empanada video, Hassanabi Wine Mom?
What are you crazy?
You think I'm gonna watch that motherfuckers video even if he's making a good point?
What are you out of your day, Mike?
Come on, Hassanabi Wine Mom.
that since his comeback Trump has had almost total control over the Republican Party.
She probably doesn't know I really come down to the Senate and House behind me.
That is why people see the midterms as so critical, including Trump himself in the last
hour. He has actually urged people to get out and vote saying those elections are critical
and no wonder he knows he could lose some of that power.
So how about his feeling? We've been working with Public First, a global research firm
who have carried out a focus group in Georgia and a national poll exclusively for Channel
4 News.
The poll shows people are worried about the economy and the cost of living.
Not very many think that Trump has made America affordable again.
Oh, it's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
It's bad.
There's a Mail-Off phone banker, Chatters.
There's a Mail-Off phone bank happening right now.
And there are more than one phone bankers on there, whose username is Toby Durden.
What's wrong with you?
There are multiple Toby Durden's on the Maylock Hero's phone bank.
First of all, it's not Toby Durden, it's Turbidurban, okay?
So get it right, it's Turbidurban.
And I think, isn't today the run-offs or something?
Isn't today the run-offs?
This is your community bro.
Which one is the real one?
We're all turbidurby.
Hello.
And guess, you know who's not on that phone bank?
Dusty Johnson.
That's right.
You know who's not on that phone bank?
Larry Rodin.
No Dusty Johnson and no Larry Rodin on this guy.
Dang phone bank only turbidurby.
The man in question. Oh, the beauty. What a beaut.
What a beautiful soul he is. Look at him.
Larry Rodin is a disgusting liberal snowflake.
Only Toby Derby is red enough for Republican red.
Shaky Gerga is my go-to name now. Hell yeah
He's a great a hog dude
Toby Dyrden made a put a video out right comment
Every which way and then you I know I know I know I know we got it on the docket. Don't worry
Terbi Derby
It is real they miss what's going on beneath the surface get out of Washington, DC
And you'll find he's extraordinarily popular with some voters. We said the sauce actual attractions are the most fucked up humans that exist
Okay, man
What oh, I'm sorry is is Chung not such a unique shape
Just in general not just for humans, but a unique shape that we've never seen before
Like geometrically
That's not fascinating to you. You don't want to like
like, you don't want to like kiss him a little bit? I do. What state is Terby Derby from
from South Dakota, brother.
33% gave him zero, but for 12% he is a 10 out of 10.
Approve 100% 100%
To delve deeper, we travelled to Savannah in Georgia, a critical swing state, a place
where national elections are won and lost.
Where pollsters, public first, set up a focus group for Channel 4 News with a spread of that Trump love.
He's running this country like it's a company, a business, and I love that.
I'm tight.
The thing negative that I could say about him, I'm just trying to think there's so many.
I was like, which one do I pick?
Oh my god.
Bro, if guys that look like this that are former Trump supporters are pulling out,
I don't know who he has that remains.
I'm sorry, this is literally American history X, bro.
This is literally Chudwick.
But that guy, this guy, this is Chudwick.
known as Ludwig also known as co-worker wig the elderly in the mentally handicapped I mean low key yeah
these guys changed my oil before so with midterms looming large what will be on the mine like
This lady is like the last
Maga Bastion.
OK, Chudwig Norton.
All Trump's got that remains is Turbidurby and this lady.
These voters, when they enter the polling booth,
how would you describe the state of the country?
What are the things that are going well?
What are the things that are going badly?
badly is immigration for sure.
What do you call me?
Oh yeah, cost of living.
Yeah, it's just ridiculous.
Housing alone is just ridiculous.
I was at a gas prices.
Corruption in government seems to be an ongoing.
And for Andrew, that corruption comes from Donald Trump.
But on this issue, the panel is split.
You'll notice that under your chairs
you have a piece of paper.
How would you rate Trump's performance since taking office?
The spread here is slightly more forgiving of the president
than our national poll, but the divide still
stark, a 0-2-4s alongside three perfect tens.
OK, we've got a range of numbers here.
A judgment on which the room let rip.
Shameful, unqualified, disastrous.
Somebody, if we have problems, has
thrown gasoline on a fire to address them.
I mean, the guy has guts.
People just don't like the way he says things,
but somebody had to.
Yeah, they don't like it, but I don't care about that.
I care about the results.
And it's not just what Trump says.
It's what he posts endlessly on Truth Social,
stretching from first thing in the morning
long into the night.
He tweets morning anybody I've ever seen in my life.
It's made a 70-plus years old
and he's tweeting all the time.
I'm like, why are you tweeting?
Stop tweeting.
like a picture of the child.
He's intense and he does a lot of stuff that upsets people.
And I get it, but this man's 70 honey,
if he wants a tweet, let him.
Maybe.
Like wanting to reward him for absolute dog shit
is even crazier, you know what I mean?
I'm sorry, but fuck old people. No, no, no, not all old people are like this, okay?
Actually, he's just turned 80, celebrating by staging a USC fight on the White House lawn.
But could the contrast between opulent scenes like these and the reality of life for average Americans hurt his Republican party in the midterms?
I work two jobs. I'm 39 years old. I think I'm going to probably, I'm a millennial, I'm probably going to be a forever renter.
I feel sometimes there's just no way to get ahead, you know, and I've always been a hard worker.
Just kind of put your head down and just grind it out, but I've been grinding it out now for five years.
I don't know many people that don't have two jobs. It's like the norm.
If she wants to drive, let her, is funny, but like, they do drive.
You can't stop that lady from driving, what are you crazy?
That lady is never stopping her, her driving.
Next day, as he heads from his IT job, after 9 hours starting at 7am, to a major retailer,
where he'll be collating online orders on his feet until 10.30pm.
Do you think Donald Trump understands what it's like for someone like you?
I don't think you could possibly understand what it's like to put in the amount of hours
that I put in personally every day to not see your wife and your daughter, you know,
certain days a week because you have to be gone to make a living.
Michael isn't on the bread line but says these supermarket hours are needed to maintain
a middle-class lifestyle for his family.
in the room where there is a security guard, a pedicab driver, a factory worker and a veteran.
Affordability is the top issue and will dominate the midterms. But has Trump's war made things
worse?
No one's mentioned the war in Iran. How much of an issue is that?
Well, the war in Iran is the reason to get places as high.
The war in Iran needed to happen, just my opinion. Granted, they're building the
It's not going to affect us here in the States because it doesn't have that big of a reach at this point
But it does affect everyone in Europe
But sometimes we need to kind of stick to ourselves and not actually help everybody because sometimes it
Americans find a way
to literally take the right position and
somehow apply the most
selfish and
insane perspective
To arrive at the correct position
It's so funny is like yeah, Iran has nukes
But it can only reach Europe and that's not our problem is a better way is a more prescient message
For the average American then it is to be like they don't have nukes. They never wanted nukes
Why are we blowing them up?
It's so funny dude, like it's this isn't even like they don't really have nukes and and we're
just kind of using that as a reason to go wage war with them.
We're lying about it like we did with Iraq and weapons of mass destruction instead, we're
just like the bomb is not big enough to reach me.
It'll only nuke Europe.
Who cares?
How is that possible?
Oh, there's more pressure on us over here.
On the question of Iran, and so much else, Trump's talking points were certainly cutting-
I guess we'll take those. Fuck it, right? I mean, I don't know. I don't know anymore, man. I don't-
god damn dude the average American oh my god it's so crazy fuck it we write
those that's that's a one on the anti-interventionist docket you know what
I mean like weird but okay but it also goes to show if like Trump lied and
said that the bomb can reach America then these guys would be like yeah we
should nuke Iran. You know what I mean? Like, I guess they didn't lie adequately enough.
Like they didn't lie well enough to get those guys on board. Because they just said like,
oh, it'll only nuke Europe. We have to protect Europe and America's like, I don't really
care about protecting Europe.
I think I misunderstood her. We have to do it to protect Europe. No, I thought she said it sucks though
That big of a reach at this point
We're gonna affect us here in the states happen. Just my opinion granted there
Building the bomb is not gonna warn Iran needed to happen. Just my opinion granted there
Building she said it needed to happen, but it's actually help everybody
This lady said the first lady said the war on Iran needed to happen because we needed to fucking protect Europe
This lady said maybe it's better not to help everybody because sometimes it causes more pressure on us. Yeah. Yeah, no, I didn't misunderstand her. I misunderstood her.
No, I'm saying this lady arrived at the correct position but took the wrong way home.
Yeah, she said we shouldn't be helping everybody. It's fine.
Yeah, she took the wrong way, but she arrived at the right destination. We take those. That's
a dub. That's we put that down. Write that down. That's a dub. Her position is can't
stop all the nukes. Let Iran nuke Europe. I don't care. If that's the take is that
If that's what's going to take, then fuck it, you know.
What?
I am not making enough to eat you fucker.
I am food stress.
I'm underway, you idiots.
That's my family.
What?
Who are you talking to?
We don't know how much you weigh.
Over here.
On the question of Iran and so much else, Trump's talking points were certainly cutting through to his strongest supporters.
Waste fraud, theft and abuse.
Numbers of fraudulent people are also secured.
Look at fraud. Billions of dollars being thrown away.
Barack Hussein Obama who sent Iran pallets of cash.
Obama dumped all that money in Iran.
Palates of money.
I look at London and it's been so changed.
Now they want to go to Sharia law.
And Trump is using Great Britain as an example.
See what happens when your government is taken over from the inside?
By what?
Higher panel raised concerns.
What does that mean?
What are you saying?
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God, these people, man.
Oh, God, it's so fucking.
It's so fucking tough.
sometimes I just hear, I hear what these guys with Republicans have to say. And I'm just like,
I can't even hold on to this because we don't exist on the same reality, like we don't exist on the
same plane of existence. Like you're at it, you're in planet B.
The fuck are you talking about Trump did what to the UK they're making an example out of the
the UK? This kind of shit actually shocks me to my core because there's plenty of things
that people used to be able to look at where we had consensus reality. But bias narratives
could develop off of this consensus reality. You could look at the same story, and Republicans
would say one thing, their takeaway would be one thing, and the Democrats takeaway would
be an entirely different thing. But at least there would be some kind of consensus reality.
We could both look at the same thing. Nowadays, nowadays, Republicans don't look at the same
thing. Like they just invented whole cloth, an entirely separate set of facts, an entirely
separate reality. They're like, yeah, remember when Trump actually came in and threw Kirstarmer
on the ground and started beating his head in? That was crazy. I mean, I thought I'm not a violent
person, but I thought, well, that's a good example to make out of the UK. And he said he was doing
it because the UK is actually implementing, you know, a nationalized healthcare system over
there and it's communism and Trump is big fighter against communism. We can't have that here either.
That's why I'm voting for Toba Derrited. She thinks the UK is doing Shakira law
and Keir Starmer was implementing it and Donald Trump was combating this somehow. I'm like,
none of the things that you said have happened. The only thing that I can grab on to from that
statement is that the former prime minister of the country, like the former leader of the UK
is Kier Starmer. That's, you got that part right. And that's it. I don't think Trump did anything.
there's no Shakira law. I just, what, have you thought about rebutting their phrases with
No, no
Yep, my conservative friend doesn't believe the cuba is under a blockade
Regression is a massive issue and my grace under immigration none of them with that across UK politics
Okay, what about Trump's relationship with the UK? Have you seen much of that?
No, I haven't seen they must see the kids. If you could say I'm also that case I'm not resigning
See that one.
That's used to be here.
But they were very engaged in what was happening at home with a critical Senate race in Georgia
this November pitting a Trump-induced Republican, Mike Collins, against Democrat John Ossoff,
who some think might run for president.
But what about those names more often talked about?
J.D.
Vance.
Would you make a difference for him?
J.D.
Vance.
I would vote for him.
Oh, Mike.
Oh my god, I'm Brian kill me both of the people who are like
The one person who's like we have to intervene because Iran is nuking Europe and the person who said we don't intervene because Iran is nuking Europe
And I don't care about Europe are both voting for JD vans
Yeah, Marco Rubio the secretary of states
Okay, and what hands up if you vote for them. I'm doing maybe here
So what do you do when a country is this divided?
Stephanie, how are you doing this morning?
I'm doing great.
The next day we brought Trump-loving Stephanie
Beer with me on the turn
And Trump hating Andrew back together again.
She tends to not talk politics with her democratic voting daughter, he with his republican voting
dad trying to avoid arguments like these.
When you look at Biden, your buddy Biden.
I wouldn't say it was my buddy, I voted for him out of Mississippi.
Then you finish your buddy.
Stephanie thinks the Democrats have gone woke.
LBG's and HYZ's came along.
Andrew, who grew up gay in the south, worries the clock is turning back.
And I'm seeing those rights come under, what progress we were able to make them under attack again.
Can you foresee a future where the division is less?
Where you're not holding up a 10 and you're not holding up a zero.
I would like that.
Well, the 10 was for Trump. Yeah. So they'll never be president again.
Well, what is happening? Yo, there's something seriously crazy about the frequency in which
Trump operates that make these ladies go nutty mode. Like they want to fuck him. They want to
Suck them. They want to be him. They want to wear his skin. They want to be his children
Like what the fuck she sincerely said there will never be another man like him that's God
That's God for you
How is that like what happened
What the fuck has he done for you lady, there's plenty of other races out there, you know what I'm saying
It's not like Trump is the only racist man.
Why not other races?
That's my question.
Why not other races?
Get better races to be on board with.
my new initiative. I just want to see. I want to see where this goes. Because like why Trump?
You know what I mean? He doesn't have a lot of redeemable qualities, especially at this point.
He's gone back on virtually all of his campaign promises. So why Trump?
Why not another race? I want to see is there another guy that could captivate your attention this hard
What are they seeing that I'm not seeing I wish there was an opportunity for me to like put on their glasses for one day and
Just stare at Donald Trump to understand
What the fuck is happening in their minds?
Because they talk about Trump like they're never going to vote again, like once Trump
is out, see that's the other side of the story.
But honestly, who cares about what you're saying?
Well, I mean, yeah, if you're one of those people, which I assume you are, yeah, of
course you don't care.
But I'm sincerely trying to understand like what it is about Trump that is so captivating
for you.
You know what I mean?
it that grandmas that have gone through menopause feel horny like they've never felt horny ever
before in their whole lives when it comes to Donald Trump. Look, I'm gonna run this back.
So you're not holding up his air, right?
I would like that.
Well, the 10 was for Trump. Yeah. So there'll never be a president like him again.
Like your grandma talks about this your grandma only talks about like Donald Trump this way
you know what I mean?
It doesn't get her going to think about Marco Rubio certainly not Stephen Miller Laws dog
zapper loser wait what?
Well, I asked you a question.
Why is it that you and this grandma want to have your back blown out by Donald Trump?
Why can't you answer my question?
Why do you guys always got to behave like a bot?
Come on.
I'm asking you seriously because he's goaded.
Okay.
No, but like actually, would you ever vote for another Republican?
Like, do you like J.D. Vance?
like Marco Rubio or is it just Trump? To them, he's Robert Redford adjacent. I would vote for
Trump. Of course, J.D. Vance is goaded. Okay. How has Trump goaded? Like, what has he done that you
like? What? How has Donald Trump materially improved your life? I know you're going to say,
He closed the border, but that's not like how did that materially improve your life?
Trump is go to because he made a cheaper if they're not
Inflation is actually at all-time highs still
And only got worse since the war in Iran. Yeah
Okay border closed and made a cheaper. So the first one is not correct
Um, and then the second one you don't even explain how
it ends up
materially improving your life. Hassan, you're just a LTN and Trump is Chad. What is just a LTN?
Oh, I'm a low tier normie.
I'm a low tier normie and Trump is Chad.
Okay. Yeah, I don't think this guy can vote and not because he's under the age of 18. Like,
I think he's medically not allowed to vote because he's like medically 12.
He might actually just be 14 years old. Actually, we are alike. You and Trump or you and I?
Hi.
POV is he's a billionaire business tycoon me and Trump you and Trump are alike.
You guys both rapists.
You guys both slaves to Israel.
You guys both take billions of dollars
In tax revenue and directed back in your pockets you and Trump together
This is like the Enver Hoja meme, you know me and Trump both made six billion dollars last year
I made zero he made six billion, but together we made six billion
You know every dollar he puts in his pocket kind of feels like I'm making money. You know what I mean?
Yeah, he's like, yeah, he's like me and Trump, me and Trump are alike.
We both like minors, except Trump is a pedophile and you're just a minor, I assume.
In this world, she may be right that has me and Trump are both alike.
We both wear diapers and are attracted to minors, except I'm 12.
Well then still shit my pants and Donald Trump is an adult.
It's never been a politician quite like Donald Trump, which is why in Georgia and across the
country how people feel about one man will likely define the way in which both Republicans
and Democrats perform in midterm elections.
It was so interesting to hear how those voters saw so much through the lens of Donald
Trump.
of them raised a positive message about the Democratic Party. Michael, who did two jobs
and will vote against Donald Trump�s�
Shatter, I don�t mean to alarm you, but this is the reason why your parents divorced
and you should know that it was literally because of you. I know they didn�t tell
you that that was the reason, but I�m going to clue you in on it. It�s because of
you. They talked about it behind your back. At least you�ll have two Christmases
though, so that�s good. But I just want you to know, your parents unironically
did not divorce for any other reason but because of you they were like how could we have how
could we have created such a demonic spawn such a loser you know when there's like you
know when there's like a kid that you mean you're like this kid's not gonna fucking
he's not gonna make it this is s we got to do it again we got to try again this mixture
Did it work? This concoction didn't work.
Um, we got to try again with different people.
That's what you did to them. But he wasn't happy with the democrat
cyber. The public first host did hold up pictures of
california governor gavin newson and of carmela harris.
The response was muted. One democrat did get a reaction in both directions.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the left of the party which speaks to
the debate in the party right now after left wingers won the New York primaries.
But look, something else interesting happened. The vice president, J.D. Bant,
said something extraordinary last night. He said that if Watergate,
probably the biggest political scandal in US history.
Yeah, it's true. I hate that he said it because it's 100% true.
It happened tomorrow. It would be a 12-hour news story, and that it's crazy that it
It took down a presidency.
He sounded like he thought his party was untouchable.
But if it loses control of the Congress in the-
By the way, divorce- Divorce Damage was kill shot.
He stopped talking after that, because he knows it's real.
Okay?
Fucking clocked. Head shot.
you
you
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you
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Rip I'm done join team Abdul
I'll let bygones be bygones. I'm sure you were on the timeline posting by how my fucking terrorist, but it's okay, baby
Get on the winning team. It's your time. It's your time now
New poles drop today, I don't know. I guess this wedge wood poles
I don't even know what kind of pole this is. It's got fucking 29 followers. So I don't know
It's literally like a fucking Google Drive, so I don't know if this is a reliable pole or not
But yeah, I'll do all said at 46% I don't like Haley Stevens at 39. She's coming in close. I
don't like that. Also in the Senate against the matchup against Mike Rogers at 49%, Haley
Steven's a tie Mallory McMorrell losing the Mike Rogers. I guess they deleted that last
post saying, okay, yeah, I give up. No! Plot twist. There is Stevens fan account now.
Don't you want women to win? No. Yeah, I want some women to win. I'm going to Colorado
to Denver specifically to aid in a bet two women winning not one but two but
not all women is a man as well
huh
little column a little column B you know what I'm saying I'm helping I'm helping
Two ladies win in Colorado so I can as a treat
Get one guy to win over two women
Useless moid
Moid
That's awesome
I just got done for making for mail out how the guy going to ran about you because she was going on a campaign going to campaign with
He thought you wanted to put liberals in reeducation camps. So we thought the mail-out must secretly want that tool amount
Did you tell him yes? He does and you're going to the camps unless you vote for mail-out. That's what you should have told him
You clocked them the issue
She had was not related to his ethnicity, but rather he was campaigner with someone who publicly sympathized with terrorists
fucking clocked it
someone says it'd be wise for you to stop peddling this bullshit we know it
doesn't actually hurt Abul in any way all it does is raise his name recognition
and the more people see it the more they like him regardless of whether it hurts
him it's a bad thing you should stop doing and I'm and so I'm going to speak
up about it there is like there are people who see this kind of shit and
they're just like I'm one-sided I believe it this guy is a terrorist I
try to argue with him just told him her policy I try not argue with him just
told him her pausing got him off the phone. He said he still might vote for her. Let's
go. We take those. We take those.
Gary wants Republicans to win in Michigan. Yeah, Gary Peters is probably told the socios
that Democrats need to coalesce around one can to face obvious odds. I had to suggest
Mallory McGraw as you drop out of the race, uh, Gary, Gary, you want to silence a woman
at the end of the day.
You want people to ask Mallory McMorrell, were you silent or were you silenced?
Don't do it.
Don't do it, Mallory.
You stay in that fucking race.
Come on, Gary.
You sexist piece of shit.
God damn it, Gary.
Is the funniest DSA attack ever?
If the Democrats nominate someone from the mom downy wing, the Republicans nominate Ruby
or Hailey.
I'd vote for a podium for president for the first time.
Unimaginable for me as a liberal and a delegated three DNC's, I'd vote for the survival of
Jewish people.
After I posted the below, the DSA attack was a Republican, which I am so not.
And said good riddance.
That's how anti-Semitic radicals drove me from the Democratic party to become independent.
I am the same liberal I always have been.
Political homelessness is real.
Wait, Todd, you've mentioned this to me many times.
I re-registered as an independent a year ago.
Wait, you re-registered as an independent a year ago.
Rabbi Zion is civil rights advocate.
rights advocate. Civil rights advocate who wants to take away civil rights. So I guess
he can advocate for more civil rights. Shout out to McMoron stand. Shout out to McMoron
fan. Listen to me McMoron fan. We'll welcome you into the coalition with open arms even
though you called me a fucking terrorist, okay? It's not true. It's not true. But if
you want to believe that it's true, now you are in, you are also a part of the terrorism
squad, I guess. Yeah, big tent, big tent. I'm so fucking understanding. Gonna try to
visit you and Denver. You see the shit Colorado is in Hassan Piker country. As Wesbers Hannah
Matt Scur reports apropos discussion we had. Social political commentator,
Sampagos, coming to Denver on June 14th, a support progressive candidate.
A Sampagos shock, shock tendency towards outrageously incendiary rhetoric that frequently can
cause mass violence and boosts its nationwide profile on a media climate that rewards extremism.
Extremity. Extremity? Like fingers? With monetized clicks?
But does that approach translate to success in persuading? A majority Democratic primary
voter support. Pryger's favorite candidate is not so much. Pryger's recently begun trying
to leverage online cloud to into electoral influence to little success. Wait, what? Three
candidacy backed in a home state of California lost all races. Political reports. That's
It's not true. Fuck, it was one man. It was one.
What is this?
An interesting piece I saw somewhere about the power that Kim Dynasty has over North Korea.
What did you last see this? And are you able to produce this page now?
working on this problem? What is this website Colorado polls? You also back Janet Mills and
see how that turned out
I'm not dangerous dude god damn what a stud what a fucking stud
What a goddamn stud dude? I've never seen a crop of talent like this before in the Democratic Party
party. Like think about this, dude. Think about all the canons that I've had on the fucking
stream, all the policies that they're trying to advance, like everything they're fucking
fighting for. Have you ever seen anything like this in the Democratic party? Have you
ever seen anything like this in all of your years of voting Democrats? Have you ever
seen a momentum like this one before? I never have. He's a Lebanese Zoran. He
gives teddy bear what vibes he's egyptian first of all not lebanese
egyptian
and there there is an interesting dynamic playing out in the democratic party
however when it comes to the dsa
and black voters
on the one hand uh...
congresswoman elect presumably uh... chevalier
narrowly one black voters in new york like forty eight percent to forty six
percent on the other
not narrowly
by a wider margin than s by out one the menikin voters and a lot of these
positions of the dsa advocate for things of black voters in general don't
support like no borders no police no prisons
and then i want you to take a look at what happened on election night
on tuesday according to this viral video
reported on
by new york magazine
among others take a listen and and we'll talk on the other end of it
So that's a bar full of largely whites.
Oh, shut the fuck up, Jake.
You're such a bitch.
God, you are.
Oh, my God, Jake Taber.
Erm, sweetie, bad look, sweetie.
Yeah, they're talking about one of the most powerful politicians in the country, dude.
They're talking about one of the most powerful people in the country.
This, right after you slandered Daria Liza, who is black!
Activists chanting your next as they watch an interview on the TV in this bar.
What's going on?
Do they want to kill him?
Do they want to do a clan rally?
Do they want to light a burning cross outside of Hakeem Jeffries' congressional office?
What's going on?
I'm stupid.
I'm a stupid guy.
I wonder what a bunch of democratic socialists are chanting your next, I wonder what that
means.
Perhaps they're saying like we are going to unseat you from your power, okay?
With Ikeem Jeffries, the potential first ever black speaker of the House.
What's your take on that?
Don't need to debate, don't need to debate, don't need to debate, come on and remember,
theology, liberation theology, we've seen your old sermons, we've seen your old sermons
pastor.
You know, as I said, we have robust and rambunctious arguments about the direction of our party,
but the focus is on the concerns of ordinary people.
Oh, thank God.
Okay.
Okay.
Like, I don't even care.
I don't, maybe I spoke too soon.
I don't even care if Raphael Warnock eats the bait there and says it's like racist
or whatever. It just hurts my soul to see him every time be a corporate Democrat stooge because
I know what his real opinion is. I know what he used to say, what he used to think. So
it's just like, it is a somber reminder that no matter how radical someone is before
they run for office. Once they get into office, the machine just molds them into this, into
this wishy washy middle of the road. Bullshit ass Apex, dude.
Um, look, I, I, I don't believe in abolishing the police. You can't have security without
police. You don't have a country without borders. Um, but this debate will go on. Black
at least he sidestep the very clearly idiotic, uh, statement that Jake Tapper was
making about like, uh, yeah, they're racistly wanting to change the leadership
of the party. The leadership of the party is a black man. I agree with Jake
I don't like large crowds of white people saying you're next about a black man, but thankfully is a politician. Okay, come on
I'm fat or you know what they were doing
Americans are not a monolith
But even I made that joke at the rally if you remember, but it's it's just jokes. Okay
It's just jokes like it's not if you Jake Tapper is not cracking a joke about the optics of this looking weird, right?
Jake Tapper is making a sincere, well, he's insincere, but he's trying to advance this
as like a, like a sincere position. You know what I mean? I'm fucking with you. I know.
Okay. That's good. That's good. They will respond as a, also Jake Tapper is unbelievably
racist. That's what makes it even funnier. We're, we're Jake Tapper. Who could forget
But Jake Tapper, gang banging in Media Land's very own author, Jake Tapper, hearing candidates
center their concerns.
I think part of the problem with politics, quite frankly, in our country is that we've
made the politics about the politicians, which candidate is in, who's out, who's
up, who's down.
What's going to happen to this politician come November?
I'm worried about what's going to happen to ordinary people who can't afford their lives
right now.
And there's a way in which both parties have not adequately responded to this deepening American
crisis.
We've seen the concentration of wealth in our country increasingly at the very, very
top, especially since Citizens United and the passing of the one big ugly bill, which
I call Robin Hood in reverse socialism for the rich, the largest transfer of wealth from
the bottom to the top. I think young people are maybe I'm too naive and maybe I'm totally
off base here, but I wonder if like this kind of movement and this kind of momentum will
cause some people like Rafael Warnock to at least be a little bit more bold in what
they believe. You know what I mean? Seeing that they are deeply frustrated and the rate
of causally Geniflecting to corporate power is a wide range of their responses. But we
have to send it to people and come November, the people are going to hold Donald Trump
and his henchmen accountable. We're going to put some guardrails on this president
by flipping the house in the Senate.
Well, so now we reverse Federman sans the stroke.
You're Mr. Redemption, so you're going to see it
from that angle always.
Hopefully you're right.
Okay, let's do the jube or the freak is the jube
Wait, what was this oh?
Here's a Mike Collins trying to fucking attack John Ossoff by bringing me up somehow
That's really gonna play well in fucking Georgia. I got to send her off today
Not surprisingly, like I've never I haven't even done shit with John awesome
He's just saying like John author. She's just like randomly condone his son piker or condemn his son
Piper gets him not so nice things to say about you. He he called you a big eight
He called you an anti-semite. He said you're a person of low character. What do you say to him?
You know, he's lying and the reason he's he's losing and he knows he's losing this race
He is losing. He's gonna lose this race. This race is gonna be about
record of and record of results. Both of us are one-termers. He's one-term senator.
I'm a one-term congressman. You take a look at what I've done in my first term.
I've had two pieces of legislation signed in the law by two different
presidents of two different parties. You take a look at what he's done. He's
accomplished nothing. Now John Ossoff has voted for just massive
spending bills out there, creating inflation and skyrocketing costs out
there. He voted for open borders. He voted to allow men to play and
girl sports. This guy is weak. He's woke and he will be
defeated because at the end of the day, Georgia is going to
have a choice and that choice is clear as day. You're going to
have the choice to pick between someone me who has
delivered. I mean, delivered not just in the private sector
because that's what I was for 30 plus years, but also in
Washington and just making life more affordable, making
this country safer, just making Georgians life better off
or you're gonna get a choice of John Ossoff. This is a trust fund kid. He's never had a real job in his life. Now, what he has done is he's made our life more expensive and less safe. We've seen that and left Georgia worse off. He said, you know, the things that he has seized upon in particular
Trustful and kid who's never had a real job in his life is so funny to say that about the incumbent senator
That you are seeking to unseat
Okay
Dog he's currently the senator. What do you mean? He's never had a real job in his life
If I were John Ossoff, here's one, you're talking about somebody that voted against
Israel twice?
You're talking about, why doesn't he condemn Hassan Picker?
I have no contact with John also man
What the hell I've heard my name be mentioned in so many different ways
This past year has been hilarious. How sound picker
Yeah, why don't you condemn him?
He said he likes you and he's an anti-Semite
Do you hate Jews, Mr.
Ossoff, huh?
Are you actually Jewish, Mr.
Ossoff?
How perfidious.
How about you condemn yourself?
Condemn yourself, Mr.
Ossoff.
Yeah, John Ozza receiving the Hassanabi bump for free 99
That if I were John Ossoff here's here's one you're talking about somebody that voted against Israel twice
You're talking about so why doesn't he condemn Hassan picker?
Out there for his anti-Semitic he's anti-Semite streamer and he endorsed his campaign
The same guy that helped get those socialists elected last night in New York
What is this person know who I am bro, uh, uh
What the fuck
He's doing anti-semitide content
Suspected house and I be headed the off-off rally
What is this?
Ossoff turns to foreign policy saying President Trump's war with Iran has made America weaker
and less secure as he speaks and attendee shouts Operation Epstein's Fury.
I mean, I'm not going to take credit for that.
For everything that Trumps are raking in billions from all over the world.
Illegal tariffs, failed war, healthcare cuts, and unmatched corruption, 34% approval, and
and a presidential legacy cemented in disgrace.
But he didn't just promise to lower prices, he promised to keep America out of war.
Instead, Donald's defeat sent gas prices soaring and made America weaker and less secure.
He's just a operation Epstein's fury.
So maybe John Ossoff should look in the mirror and force us on him.
Do you regret any of your past social media posts?
You know what?
I've always checked my social media posts as much as I could.
But when things happened, I took care of that problem, just like any good business
person one day.
Will there be any other controversies from your past or associations that get you in
trouble?
You know what?
We're going to stick to the issues on this thing.
That's what's going to win it.
Yeah, issues like high sound picker.
High sound picker.
Why have he, why has he not condemned him?
Get him out of here.
He's running for office.
I know it.
Action, right?
So it's certainly can.
So has welcomes pushed America past the breaking point?
Or is the progressive movement the influence around the left?
Did he not just?
Right, what the fuck?
You're arguing that things economically were better under Joe Biden.
Alright, workscape in the-
My first surrounded claim is that wokeism did more damage to America than Trump ever did.
So, um, well, what a claim.
Um, Dave Rubin, uh, I worked with him in the past, for those of you who don't know.
Uh, he was at the Young Turks.
He is, uh, unbelievably stupid, and I think he should go on every show.
And the reason why I think that is because he's so bad at advocating for his cause
That it's an automatic L. Dave Rubin could have sat there and
Have no one show up to the chair on this episode of surrounded and he would still lose the argument. Okay?
Incredibly stupid guy, it's awesome and you can tell from the first premise from the first
First statement, wokeism did more damage to America than Trump ever did.
That's incredible.
It's 2026.
This motherfucker is still talking about wokeism.
All right.
If you would like to debate this claim, please get to the center in three, two, one.
He's quick.
He's quick.
Yes, I am.
So I find it interesting that you think wokeism has done so much damage to America as
opposed to Donald Trump.
Wokeism did not kick 17 million Americans off of their health insurance through Medicaid.
and start a disastrous war with Iran that has now led to a-
Uh, what if it did?
Uh, I believe it did, though.
Uh, have you heard about the war against anti-woke?
Exploitation, outpacing, wage growth.
Wokeism hasn't ripped up institutions or attempted even to destroy free speech even by your standards
because Ronald Reagan appointed judge ruled that the Trump administration was violating
the First Amendment by attempting to, uh, deport, arrest and detain students and faculty
members on college campuses for protesting for Palestine.
Wokeism, to me, it doesn't even have remotely as disastrous as a track record as Donald
Trump.
Well, how would you define wokeism?
I guess we should start with that.
I think wokeism is the pejorative term that's used to describe left-wing cultural politics.
Right.
And what do you think left-wing cultural politics are?
I'd say left-wing cultural politics include just the broad attitudes towards social
justice, especially for minority groups that have faced persecution in various ways.
Okay, so I think the simplest way to define wokeism is basic...
Yeah, shouldn't you be defining that, Dave?
Is your statement...
...collectivism on steroids, and usually as it applies to race and gender, meaning that
you should be judged based on the color, you actually should be judged based on the
color of your skin and your sexuality and your gender and a whole bunch of immutable
characteristics and depending on where those fall on the left's kind of hierarchy of importance
that's kind of how you can parse out where people should be and how important their ideas
are.
So assuming your characterization to be an accurate characterization which I don't necessarily
take.
Right.
We're going to have a lot of trouble getting to that.
Can you demonstrate that wokeism has for example skyrocketed inflation to outpace
wage growth the way that Donald Trump's war of aggression on Iran has done.
you can you demonstrate that woke ism has violated the first amendment okay by
arresting students and faculty members on college campuses okay well yes I can so
let's start well first off the disaster woke ism woke ism arrested students on
college campuses is fucking awesome great I can't wait just worth a quote
unquote disastrous whether you're talking about you're talking about a 40
day military operation that stopped an apocalyptic regime from getting a
nuclear bomb and so and exporting terrorism throughout the world that
And we're now in an economic embargo of them, right?
We've basically done a blockade of the Strait of Hormuz.
So to say it's a disastrous war, hang on, we did lose 13 of our soldiers, and that
is terrible.
I killed over 200 children.
But well, things happen in war.
Yeah, well, things do happen in war, you can listen, you want to talk?
I agree.
But that's why war should be a last option.
Uh, why did why did if Donald Trump wanted to prevent the Islamic Republic of Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon
He could have just stuck with the Iran nuclear deal that he ripped up Iran. It did not Iran did not enrich past the
Wait, they didn't
In the JCPOA there they only got to 60% after Donald Trump left that deal and then started doing
Dave is so good. Yeah
Yeah
That's a that's a great way to debate unbelievable tactics Dave you're not even doing the nut, huh?
Yeah, yeah
Progressive I'd see percent
In the JCPOA there they only got to 60% after Donald Trump left that deal and then started doing
That's what he's doing
Awesome.
I must say I'm impressed with your talking points.
You got impressed with talking points and you memorized them well.
They're not correct, but I am impressed.
First off, the Iranians admitted in the negotiations right before the war started that they were
enriching past what they were allowed to.
That's number one.
Number two, you also have to go on the assumption.
Hold on.
You also have to go on the assumption or acceptance that can you agree, can you agree or verify
their claims?
It's one thing to say, oh, this is what we're doing, this is what we are agreed to, et cetera.
But you have to be able to verify that.
And the idea that we have people on the ground or the UN or some third party organization
that can verify what they're actually doing with underground nuclear sites and a whole
bunch of other things is, I would say, quite a leap of faith, right?
You want to trust but verify.
Can I respond to that? Sure. So the IAEA and US intelligence said that Iran did not enrich past the 3.67% prior to Donald Trump ripping up and stepping out of the Iran nuclear deal in, uh, and I believe it was 2017-2018 when he did that.
So again, in these negotiations, in these negotiations, because Donald Trump ripped up the Iran nuclear deal to begin with, that's the only reason.
I do think that like right-wing commentary has actually lost the sauce because like at
least there's stuff that you can say here against the JCPOA. It's kind of like, you know, in a court
case, in a civil proceeding, or even in like a, in a criminal case, like there is still an argument
that defense will put up, right?
And if you at least do the reading,
you can like internalize the argument
that the defense is making.
You don't have to just like take whatever,
whatever the result was at face value,
but these guys don't even do the reading.
So with the JCPOA, like so many of these guys
have just given up on finding like good talking points
that could at least like throw the average
left-wing person in a loop. They've just given up on it entirely. So they just go, yeah, no, uh, that's it.
That's it. Like, the, the, it's fairly indefensible what Trump did with JCPOA, but at least you could
just like, I don't know, dignify your interlocutors by doing a little bit of reading on what the
correct positions are that you could put forward as a Republican and say like, well, Iran was
still funding weapons to Hezbollah and like the sanctions relief ended up going you know ended up
sending money to Iran that Iran could then redirect over to the axis of resistance like things like
that there was a higher quality of right-wing sloppiganda back in the day and these guys have
completely given up on it like they don't even want to fucking they don't even want to know
the correct talking points is crazy. It's actually shocking. I could do a better job
of arguing a Republican position and make it convincing than these fucking dickheads can.
Griffters don't even want to fucking work anymore. It's crazy. It makes me kind of
mad. Here, the real argument that you should be presenting here is that the JCPOA was established
on shaky ground.
We can't rely on a multilateral commitment from our foreign adversaries like China and
Russia. The International Atomic Energy Agency was in the pocket of the European Union.
We can't trust them either. And then all of the Obama era sanctions relief open
up new pathways for the Iranian economy to bloom in the hands of the European markets.
And then they could take all of that money and all of the components that they can now
get off of the newly opened up pathways and build those missiles that pummeled Israel,
that pummeled American military bases.
Like, I don't know.
Shit like that.
Choppo hate raid.
That's so funny.
Choppo.
That's good, Chapo.
Hope you guys had a good stream.
We're watching Dave Rubin.
You could then turn around and say Obama's, uh, Obama shipped Palace of Cash to Iran
and then that cash went directly into the hands of Hezbollah, you know, uh, directly
into the hands of the acts of resistance. You know what I mean? Like there's so many
lies that you could at least say that would come across more convincing than, you know
what I mean? That's his answer. That's not an answer. That's not even a sentence. That's
It's not even words, you're just making mouth noises.
Let's try it differently, I'll try it differently.
The IAEA and assessments agree with me and Tulsi Gabbard, our director of National Intelligence,
testified in front of Congress last year and according to the entire intelligence community,
Iran did not have a nuclear weapons program.
Okay, that they didn't have a nuclear weapons program?
Yes.
They were enriching past the point that they were allowed to for civilian use.
Everyone knows that.
Yeah, yes, it was a point of leverage in order to get sanctions relief you fucking idiot
That's the reason why they stopped enriching past the point of
Civilian usage with the JCPOA
Proving once again that the diplomatic solution is the only solution with Iran for better or for worse
Which is the point that he's making and he's right
Right.
But do you understand that the weaponization process is different than the regime?
Do you think the Iranian regime?
And this is also before we even factor in a delivery system, okay?
Iran has personally restricted their weapons systems to reach maybe like Hungary, okay?
It does not.
They don't have missiles launching platforms nor the systems that could go anywhere
around the world.
even if they were to deliver a nuclear, even if they were to be able to generate and create
a nuclear weapon, which there was a FATWA for and big L on, on behalf of the, uh, Ayatollah
Ali Hamane there, but you know, they had the FATWA regardless and they followed through
on it.
The only reason why they fucking enriched beyond the point of civilian usage was specifically
to bring back the United States, the negotiations process and to get sanctions relief.
But they don't even have the fucking delivery systems that they need to also design and develop.
Before this war, the Iranian regime that has oppressed the people of Iran for 40 years.
Also, what the fuck does that have to do with wokeism?
You have yet to explain the damage that wokeism caused as opposed to Trumpism.
Do you think that was a good regime?
Would you say that was a good government?
Would you like to live under those people?
Were they progressive in it?
Wait a minute.
They're anti-woke.
Iran killed woke.
That's what the Iranian revolution was about.
Killing woke.
Shouldn't you be happy?
Why can't they kill woke?
Why is it only good if America kills woke?
Iran has thoroughly dismantled woke.
I thought that's what you fucking wanted.
It's because they're not white.
It's woke. Oh, OK.
So if they're if the brown guys are anti woke, then it's bad.
OK, I didn't realize any way to they hold any of the.
Yeah, when they say Madagabar, America, Madagabar, Israel,
they're also saying Madagabar, woke is them.
That's what they're saying, bro.
They're saying that in the parliament, bro, Galabath.
Iran is a nation of autistic chuds who are unbelievably well-educated, okay?
They're all fucking engineers.
They all saw battle when they were like 13, and they all hate woke, and they love building,
they love building munitions, okay?
They love building platforms.
They love building launchers that are single use if necessary.
And they tackled woke values that any of you guys hold no, but we don't just we don't
just start wars on countries whose politics we disagree with or who are oppressive to their
own people.
We're actually an ally to Saudi Arabia.
And they love LGBT.
No, they don't love LGBT, but they love the T ironically enough.
They are actually woke on the T.
That's the one part that I agree with you don't you don't you don't do that okay.
We got something all right we got something that is committed gross human rights violations
in Gaza.
I'm shocked that Israel okay well Israel the only place that has any of the progressives
values that any of you guys share really this is perfect this is perfect yes one of the
things that you told me. That's awesome. He he he just deploys. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's the whole point.
He and the beginning of this conversation. Oh, you meant the other LGBT. Oh, let's
let's go.
Beep.
Beep. Certain place station was that woke ism was judging people based on
characteristics and collective thought. Israel is literally centered around the
prioritization of the Jewish people as a matter of policy. That is literally
collectivist thought. So you must hate Israel too. You must think that that's the
ultimate form of collective identity. How many Muslim countries are there?
Okay, so you're just pivoting? No, no, I'm gonna answer this. How many Muslim
countries are there? I'm sure there are a lot of Muslim countries. There are a
lot more Muslims than Jews. Yeah, well just ballpark. How many Muslim
countries that are there. I would probably maybe say like let's say between 10 to 20 maybe.
Alright, you're off by about 40. There's about 52 or 53 Muslim countries. In any of those
countries, how's it going for minorities, women, gays, Christians, Jews? Yeah, I can
say that other nations it's extraordinarily repressive. But like I said, wait, wait,
you gotta pause there. You gotta pause there. You've been voted out by the majority.
Okay, please return to your seats this conversation
This conversation fell completely off the fucking rails, bro
Get in there Mason. Oh, she had it. She had it. All right. Hey, all right. Hi. Good to meet you
I'm not doing a big fan. I've been watching you since like all the way back in the Sam Harris era
Oh, yeah, I remember you softening me up
Okay, no you brought like a Steven all of you like the white nationalist and I was like this guy just loves ideas
He just those all different type. Oh my god Mason you fucking asshole. That's a bro. That is oh
My god, it just he just unlocked memories in my brain. Mr. Ideas. Remember Dave Rubin. Oh, I was like, oh, I love ideas
I miss their ideas
That's awesome. He came in hot with the deep cuts. Oh my God. I love ideas. I love different
ideas. High level ideas.
Just an idea. I love that. But yeah, just wanted to talk right now.
Oh, you didn't like that.
Now specifically about the difference between progressive values and the MAGA coalition.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, look, this is, oh my God.
It was their first public appearance together ever and I have to say that my brain is still
in recovery mode from taking in so many high level important ideas.
By brain still in recovery mode, it's so good.
Many people are saying his brain is still in recovery mode from taking on those high
level ideas.
Sure.
It seems to me that all of the ills that are attributed to wokeism are typically things
things that people find annoying. So people being overly, you know, police-y about their
pronoun usage or talking about specific groups that might seem extremely marginalized. That's
what I typically hear from the right. I don't hear like a degradation of like society unless
it's the far theocratic right. And I don't think that you ascribe to that. Would you
call yourself a theocrat?
I mean, I wrote the best-selling book on classical liberalism. So it's funny,
I get called a conservative all the time. I actually happen to be a liberal in the
true sense of liberal you should you should watch it well I progressives
are not liberal as a general right yeah damn bro dude respect respect this
throwback we think he is he's pretty good he plays I mean he plays like a
shooting guard okay pretty much usually I mean classic relatively athletic guy
Bradley be you um definitely definitely better on the court than he is in the
marketplace by Diaz for sure if you always thought like I'm legitimately
because then you know that I've asked Anna this rest in peace rest in peace to
my goat Michael Jamal Brooks baby and I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass
and I and you know that I've like how did you guys work he's so stupid his
on like even if he was right he's a fucking idiot oh dude okay so here's the
thing um Dave Rubin was the first time I I really questioned like how much leeway
I give to ideological allies like people who I perceive to be on my side
because I I genuinely never realized how dumb he was you know what I mean and I
I don't know if it's because he is kind of a liberal who's like portraying himself
as a conservative and that's why he comes across maybe more stupid now,
or that he was genuinely the stupidest entire time.
But because he was a liberal, I just simply did not see it.
But yeah, I, I don't know.
I just, it really, it really shocked me to the core seeing how dumb he has
become. I don't think he was this dumb, but, but maybe he was just
repeating a liberal talking point so i never really
uh... question that i'm gonna guess that that was what was going on because i
i've i have actually looked i didn't really
watch him or i was really aware of him when he was on t whitey and i kind of
got like okay this guy's you know setting up this new hustle
uh... and he's gonna
this is so boring this is boring who's on the phone
uh... it's me
calling into the michael brook show
rest in power michael brooks
mason was your way mason was a majority rep
report and he said that the only thing that was covered the conversation with
david was when mason
when mason mentioned sam cedar way really
yeah for me i just feel like that type of like annoyance that woke ism
presents to the world is a lot less dangerous than like
i don't know the coalition that you're a part of that like
condemns people for having children when they're in gay marriages
or says things like you know people that are of particular sexual
orientations don't deserve the same equal rights. Would you say that's something that's
dangerous? A coalition is so good. He's the best of us.
Chin is going to have all sorts of people in it. So,
it's like an ideological diversity. Yeah. If we were talking about what MAGA is,
what I like about MAGA actually is that it's not a specific set of you have to
believe this exact set, right? You have to believe these exact things.
Some people in MAGA can believe like gay couples can have kids and others can
believe like that's degeneracy and those people need to be jailed.
Well, those are like the difference ideas.
Well, actually, the tough answer to that is yes.
As long as you're not trying to litigate someone's life,
I am around a lot of conservatives all the time.
And particularly Christian conservatives, let's say,
they generally are not for gay marriage.
By the way, there's not one mosque in the United States
that performs gay marriages, which is worth no.
Why are you so focused on Muslims today?
I'm just giving you a fact.
But what I have found consistently,
Donald Trump was the first incoming first-time president that was for gay marriage
I actually really want to talk about that
Barack Obama was not for gay marriage when he first came in
and until 2013
so what I would say is the MAGA movement I mean look Scott Besson who's the Treasury Secretary
is married to a man and has kids Peter Thiel is married to a man and has kids Douglas
Murray's one of the
wait I don't think Peter Thiel is married and I don't think he has kids
Yeah, Scott Benson is gay. You guys didn't know that? Yeah.
You guys know Peter Thiel is gay. Greatest voices we have in conservatism happens to
Yeah, he's married to J.D. Vance.
Gay.
Yeah.
I don't, for the most part, people on the right actually believe in individual rights
and don't really care, but that doesn't mean that everyone has to have the same religious
perspective on everything.
Right, but you've been around the block for a long time, and just like you alluded
to in 2016, Trump held up a flag that said LGBTQ for Trump.
He was asked in a CBS interview, would you let Caitlyn Jenner use the bathroom that
she wants to in your hotels?
He said absolutely.
He actually gave a better answer than that. He said, I'm a hotel builder. If you told me I had to build one bathroom, that would be fine with me. I think it's a great answer.
But that's what's crazy is that evolution has changed so much to the current MAGA movement.
The MAGA movement said that Donald Trump would absolutely not say that somebody could use the bathroom in line with their gender identity.
He specifically banned that, and not just that, but he's also just called for a...
He specifically wrote an executive order that classifies far leftist groups like pro-transgender groups as a danger to the country.
which often the entire military can go after.
That is insane.
That is absolutely violation of people's individual rights.
All right, so you want to talk about the trans issue
sort of broadly, I sense.
I want to talk about the MAGA coalition
that wants to be brought into individual liberty,
yet wants to police the way that people express themselves.
That also wants to police people's bodies
that want to go after people specifically
because they're ethnicity.
None of that should be solved.
OK, so Donald Trump is in the middle of his second term.
Gay marriage is here.
It's past.
It's a just cause.
I believe in individual rights.
Your friends are Michael Lewis, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, so what's that coalition again called it?
I think it's like less equal that's trying to actually get rid of Obergefell and overturn
gay marriage.
Does that not concern you?
Well, first of all, I've never heard of that specific organization, but what I can tell
you...
You're friends with them!
Yeah, no, that's like, I mean, that's a real initiative.
I don't know why you're as a gay man, not more worried about that as a gay man.
Dave Rubin is, Dave Rubin's life is just a sequence of humiliations that he has to
the fucking withstand to Mason L right here. It's called greater than Michael is part of
it. I just don't know what you're talking about. But what I would say is Lila Rose, Michael
Knowles. I think it's a what's that guy's name at the day they were the head one.
Oh, you didn't get the fact check. You didn't get the straight arrow news fact check, Mason,
big L Mason. You hooked us in with the ideas mentioned though. That was awesome.
Okay, but that that's not Donald Trump. I understand you want to go away. No, no, no, that's not Donald Trump
That's not the head of the party. I have friends that Frank well first off Michael and I are friends
But there is a cap on her. What is this?
They're actually is someone who doesn't want you to be in love my man
He doesn't want me to be in love
He's had dinner at my house with his wife my husband cooked for him. That's against God
So I wanted to have a word with him
But think about what you're saying, I don't know, think about what I'm saying.
But when I'm with you.
Wait, wait, wait, hold on champ, hold on champ.
Dave Rubin's life is just eating shit non-stop.
It's awesome.
Dave Rubin has to just like constantly be around people that literally tell him he's
going to hell because he's a homosexual man.
He has to constantly be in correspondence with people that tell him that he should not
be able to adopt children, which he has.
He has adopted children.
He's gay man.
His husband's name is also Dave.
His husband actually is a wonderful guy.
I don't know if he still is, but he was a wonderful guy at the time when I first met
him.
But yes, Dave Rubin is a gay man married to, yes, a husband by the same name.
Yes, Dave and Dave and and they have a child or maybe more than one child. I
don't know. I haven't kept up with their lives but you know in your in your world
of how tolerant you are showing me you are you're actually showing a
remarkable amount of intolerance because although I don't know the group
Oh hey flip the script on them yeah may seem quite homophobic that you're
owning a gay man. Being has been to my house and my husband has cooked him lamb
and we have enjoyed evenings together and shared personal moments and all of
those things. Now do we agree on absolutely everything? Of course the
answer to that is no. And if Michael was, Michael or anyone else was trying to
lead some organization that was going to go against my civil rights, well that
is where obviously we would have our difference of opinion. Of course, but
But I also respect people's religious beliefs.
They're allowed to have their religious beliefs.
Their religious beliefs are not allowed
to legislate my life.
This is all very separate from the trans thing,
which obviously, the sense is gonna come up
a few more times.
I'll just say real quick,
like I'm not trying to come after you.
I believe that you should have the full liberty
to have the family of your choice.
But what I will say is I'm glad Michael treats you
with respect individually when you guys are together.
But when he goes in front of this platform
and says that a video of two gay men having a child
is the most disgusting thing that he's ever seen,
which is a quote you can look up the tweet.
Michael said that that child is in one
of the most dangerous situations he can think of,
which is crazy to think of all the abusive parents
that actually live in this society,
regardless of sexual orientation,
and you're gonna look at a happy family
and say this is disgusting.
That shouldn't feel like a violation.
Okay, so I didn't see that video,
but if what you're asking me is if do I agree with,
let's just say what you said is true.
Do I agree with Michael's point on that?
Of course the answer is no.
But that is the negative coalition.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
that's not the coalition.
That is not the coalition.
You're taking a very specific person and you're saying, is it a small specific?
Oh, absolutely.
Yes.
Yes.
Oh, it is.
I go, no, that's completely absurd.
It's completely absurd.
That's completely absurd.
We got a pause there.
You've been voted out by the majority.
That's bullshit.
All right.
That's bullshit.
What they did to Mason is bullshit.
They should not have voted him out.
Good grab.
I want to go to your prompt in a second, but I just wanted to address.
So I actually come from a Christian background. I spend a lot of my career debating Christian nationalists and even the nicest
Christian nationalists they do Epstein is Gis Lane
What is that
This person you want to take your rights
I spend a lot of time talking to these people even the really nice ones
So I just want to be careful and I guess I want to say like I remember when you posted about having your kid the sex pest
Gis Laney I
The other one is also there's another there's another sex pest orbiter in the group
I
Saw her in the background the one that fucking hates me. I mean, I guess this one probably hates me, too
Um, this guy's gonna cook, I think we'll see
Where there's another one there's another one, I don't even see her. Oh right there
Liberal pearly things. Yeah, just pearly things
Quick how you doing how you doing so she does she is slash was these partner in business
I just quickly wanted to recognize, I love this by the way, you're very unconventional.
I'm unfamiliar with the expanded pedonally universe.
Yeah, I think he has like two, maybe three orbiters that remain.
He's lost the rest of his expanded universe, his extended universe of fighters and his
Fedeine are gone now they're like either too embarrassed to defend him for obvious reasons or
they now realize that he was a giant piece of shit and I think like the only two that remain
is that last girl that we just saw which people have taken to calling Epstein's Gislain Maxwell
in the Epstini cinematic universe and then the other one the the other one is
the the other lady who is always yelling at me that wants to be like the liberal
Charlie Kirk or something the pedigree oh my god stop a household and woke is
him has brought you that household right to be a to live with your husband to
have your two children or conceive your surrogacy and I appreciate what
One of his remaining orbiters is a self-admitted pedo, and then there's Darius. I don't know who Darius is.
I think the self-admitted pedo is the one who was trying to get me banned, and then we found out that she had actually openly talked about having pedophilic tendencies, right?
Slops is as I define it as I do it personally is looking to expand on already existing
Civil liberties right to ensure that to ensure America practices what it preaches equal protections
Inclusion of everybody democracy etc. So it's not a policy prescription. It's a social
Prescription Donald Trump is president. He's the head of the executive branch is a trifecta a judiciary
That's on his side Donald Trump's violent Donald Trump's destroying the pillars of America democracy negative rights
The rule of law, our constitution, the list goes on and on.
So I'm just curious to see what institutional damage has wokeism done?
And if you want to engage with Trump being violent, that'd be nice.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, I just don't agree with anything you said there.
Period.
First of all, wokeism, wokeism isn't what led to, say, gay marriage.
What led to gay marriage is a fight for equality under the law.
That's literally what is wokeism.
That's what wokeism is.
What the fuck is wokeism then?
Uh, I don't like the way you framed woke ism as a thing that is good because I think it's
bad.
I'm sure he'll make the distinction.
If you believe that,
Amazing said in the break, he ran off to ask chat, chat, GPT for talking boys, stop
a sexual marriage that an adult should be able to engage in any sort of contract within
another adult.
And that has to be equal.
That's what equal protection, which you just mentioned is.
And that's actually what the decision was based on.
Yeah.
So that was not woke ism.
That was the promise of America, which is the promise of individual rights and equal
opportunity.
As for a few of the other things that you said there, again, if we could do that, you
want to do the ramping again.
No, I said Donald Trump is violent.
Yeah.
So Donald Trump is violent in what sense?
Yeah.
So I also want to mention you.
The reason why you left the left, correct me if I'm wrong, is because you believe
progressives were turning to authoritarianism.
Am I correct there?
I mean, there was.
That was your previous video.
You said it.
You can't do that.
Settle down, Jeff.
There was a monopoly of reasons that I did that.
Correct. Yeah, you think it's authoritarian for the president of the United States to call for the death of six active members of the Legislature
For making a video that is totally fine and legal. It's interesting
Oh, well first off you're talking about the video where they basically
Several of these guys were basically saying if you're in the military you can you can go against, you know
Trump and all those things. Well, first of there are some legal
Actual reasons that perhaps you should not as a former member of the military be telling the punishment for making videos
I wish these guys would hit on like harder shit. I feel like the first guy hit them on some more
significant problems, right? Like war with Iran
Just, you know crisis in
The the the cost of living crisis only accelerating further, you know stuff like that it's like yeah, Donald Trump called for the death of six
Congressional members, like members of Congress,
I think some of them were in the Senate,
some of them in the House of Representatives,
I can't really remember.
But like, I mean, that's fucked up.
Don't get me wrong,
but it's just like he has such a big laundry list of shit
that not to say that that's not fucked up,
I'm just saying there's like more cost-quital things
that he's done.
By the way, the best thing to do here would be to get Dave Rubin to define what wokeism
is and why it's damaging, because he's just running away with it right now by, like, he's
just like, wokeism, wokeism is bad things and things that you call wokeism that are
good, I don't agree, it's not wokeism, it's just America.
Like that's his argument, which is fucking so stupid.
Hang up, hang up.
Doors washing toward America.
Did anyone get put to death?
Did anyone get put to death?
Okay, never mind. David's so fucking stupid. Did anyone get put to death? Oh, okay. So I guess the
president can actually threaten with death, sitting representatives and sitting senators
as long as they don't actually get put to death. It's fine. Would you be fine with that if Joe
Biden said that, if Joe Biden came out and was like, we should, you know, do the death penalty
to Tom Cotton, would you be fucking fine with that? Of course. And I'd be like, oh my God,
the violent liberals, the violent liberals, these violent liberals need to be bit and
bit and like, that's what you would say in that situation. And to be fair, you would have
good reason to say that. Like that would be crazy if Biden said that.
And states is actively calling for the death of members of the legislature.
Is anyone is anyone okay with that? You're missing the difference. Let's just understand the prompt here
You said woke ism has done more damage than Donald Trump ever. So explain the damage single-time woke ism is
Doing something remotely similar. It's remotely slimmer as Donald you want damage being
Yeah, he should have been like what do you think about Hassan piker what he said about Rick Scott? He's not dead
He's very much alive. Do you think that that's appropriate?
It doesn't you know what I mean?
Like you want to have a chance.
I can give you damage.
Let me explain.
I can give you the damage.
Hold on. Hold on.
Listen, let me explain to you.
Donald Trump, all you need to know about for any one of you guys
that think that Donald Trump's coming for you because you're gay
or you're trans or something like that, or you're black or anything else.
Might I recommend you just read Art of the Deal,
which Donald Trump wrote about 40 years ago.
It's terrible.
It's just discussing his activities.
Okay, but you can dismiss it.
You can dismiss it.
but Donald Trump gave you his playbook 40 plus years ago.
40 plus years ago, he gave you the playbook
on how he negotiates.
He leads with crazy.
This is the wrong that's what I'm currently talking about.
No, it's completely.
You asked me about damage.
I can give you examples, but you don't want them
because you knew you were gonna get fried.
No, no.
No, that isn't true.
It's completely.
Donald Trump tried to rewrite the Constitution
the executive order with executive order 14160.
And it was followed up by 141601,
where they used this to target individuals
for pro-Palestinian speech like Mahmood Khalil.
This was already ruled upon by the way.
I'm sure you know about this, correct?
OK, for example, there is a difference between exercising
free speech and closing down a campus and not letting
students get, you're an interesting character.
No, you seem nice.
There's a difference between exercising free speech,
which I will always defend your free speech,
no matter how noxious it is, and closing down campuses.
No, they were no Maki Clio and all of these masks.
He was almost supported with no cause.
And it's literally in the documents of the case.
Well, first off, yeah, he was almost supported with no clause.
And there's even a less defensible aspect of this where you can talk about.
Uh, it remains a astute, right?
The Turkish, uh, American or the Turkish, uh, student on a student visa
at Tufts University who literally got kidnapped and was placed in a fucking prison
for genuinely just writing an article about Israel.
Like, that's it.
She was one of the co-authors that was in the Tufts School
newspaper and she got fucking kidnapped
by masked Asians of the state in broad daylight
in the middle of the fucking,
in the middle of the goddamn city.
Mark has illustrated the point many many times if you're here on a green card or a student visa
When you don't you don't have the exact same protections that you don't you don't
She'll make no law what no
Oh, yeah, what's for people people
Dave said we threaten his life by the way what
I believe I honestly believe several of them would have killed me if given the opportunity truly and you all know my
my my guy Joey works for me and he said to me after he said Dave I made a choice
halfway through that if one of them was going to attack you I was going to get
involved because that that's the level of wow what the fuck is this dipshit
doing here clown ass bunch of clown shit I could feel the daggers coming at me
the ones that mostly they had horrible scowls on their faces but the ones
that smile that me actually seemed like the most dangerous because they were like
Joker smiles and the weird Joker smiles it was so distracting and so unpleasant you can't have this
course I don't I don't know how you pulled it off wait I don't know how you pulled it off with
a bunch of interlocutors who smiled at you wow he almost died you guys are laughing
Mason how do you live with yourself doing a hate crime like that smiling in the face of Dave Rubin
You know, truly, I, to sit around 20 people that have nothing but hatred for you, like,
there wasn't even a, I tried my best.
I kind of didn't want to do it because I've just been through enough versions of the internet
and dealt with the hate and the whatever.
My team really wanted me to do it.
I was like, you know what?
I'll give it a, I'll do it, whatever.
It's not, it's not a big deal.
I tried to say, I'll show you a little respect to, to start this thing.
They offered nothing for two hours and 55 minutes.
I think I did a very nice job.
I had, I did have one blit moment where I kind of blanked on something and I fully grant that.
David, that sounds ridiculous.
The most clown down person.
In the Republican commentary, it better citizens of the United States.
What's the press?
That piece, wait a minute, wait a minute, nothing, nothing.
So Donald Trump tried to sign an executive order rewriting the birthright citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment. Where to get this power?
Let me ask you saying do you say is it is it?
We're terry and let me ask you a self-connected authority
Hold on. Hold on. Can you ask my question? Hold on. You're not going to let me chat here, Verzak. Listen listen listen.
They're talking. Let's try it this way. So let's say you and your girlfriend went on vacation
Bora Bora you show up to most beautiful place on earth and she's seven months pregnant and she
then gives birth in Bora Bora you think your child should be a citizen of
French Polynesia Bora Bora and you think that's just only principle and I'm sorry
the president cannot defy because it doesn't look the president or country
works no you can fight it of damage to a better fight it in the courts you can
fight it in the courts he doesn't like the courts he ignores them part of the
alien enemies after moogle's a meal Bovet we're out of time we got to stop
there okay got you my next surrounded claim is if you still vote for
democrats in 2026 you're voting for broken cities broken schools and broken
borders. Oh, very good. There it is. Very funny. Okay. This is
going to be a good one. All right. God, even his fucking even
even the claims that he's making are stupid. If you would like
to debate this claim, get to the chair in three, two, one.
Hey, how are you, Santana?
So can you explain a little bit about what you mean broken
cities, broken schools, broken waters?
Sure.
Well, broken cities, I would basically
you can boil it down to crime and drug use.
And I can tell you, having been in here in Los Angeles
for the last 36 hours, I have seen more homeless people,
more drug use, more urban decay
than I have seen in the last five years combined living
in Florida.
In terms of schools, it's basically
brainwashing kids and teaching them what to think
instead of teaching them how to think. And then what was the third one in terms of, oh boy.
For the record, every Republican argument in the general election
turns into Dave Rubin if the opposition is actually advancing. If the Democrats,
hopefully Democratic Socialists, are advancing a clear agenda on affordability and exactly,
and defining exactly what they're going to do as far as like healthcare, Medicare for all,
housing for all, government-funded housing, federal jobs guarantee, free college,
and, you know, embargoing the state of Israel, like, things like that. This is all they have.
It will be reduced to just this, okay? These guys, I think, got a little bit too comfortable
with not really having to make a convincing argument, because Democrats haven't been making a
convincing case to vote for them, right? But in any case, we're eight hours on my end of here chat.
I'm tired. I'm sorry. Maybe we'll continue watching this tomorrow. There's a lot of other
funny videos on the docket as well. So we'll get to all of that and more.
Tomorrow, I got Fran Hong, Francesca Hong, running for Wisconsin governor.
And on Tuesday, I will be in Denver, Colorado.
I will be in Denver, Colorado on Tuesday, hopefully to notch another W, okay?
I have not taken the which love to serve you quiz yet. I will take it tomorrow, hopefully.
Okay.
Okay.
Anyway, love you guys and I'll see you tomorrow, okay?
Good day today.
Peace.
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