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You say please please it's too much winning we can't take it anymore
It's Big Booty Bill.
Don't worry, I'm going to talk about the Big Booty Cheese Bill.
What's going on, everybody? I hope everyone's having a fantastic evening, fantastic afternoon,
fantastic pre noon, no matter where you are in the world. I'm a son, Piker and this is
the house and I'm broadcast coming to you live from sunny California, Los Angeles folks.
We are live. We're alive. And I hope all the boys, girls and MBS are having a fantastic
one because today's a beautiful day. Today's a wonderful day. Today is ladies and gentlemen,
day is Wednesday. And for me, that means it's leg day. That's right. Today is Wednesday,
which means it's leg day. Kai is not here right now. She's at the vet, getting her ears cleaned.
You might have noticed that the camera is a little bit darker because as is the case
Always and forever
David had to tweak some shit. We have two guests coming today and it's clear that
It's clear it's a little bit cinematic, so we're just gonna live with it for the time being
It's
Hold on
Hold on one second.
Great tie.
Thank you.
You look like 70 millimeter.
Max Odyssey. Thank you. Anyway, you saw the New York Times article about there's a near
standard flow in the state of Hormuz through dark traffic. What do we think? It makes a
little bit sense. It makes a little bit of sense. You see this follow up to the other
video. I was in your deep dive about Hassan. I had practiced the code as to why it is
that these people are going after him. It's the same reason why they're going
after Miss Rachel. And you would also be surprised to know it's the same reason why
it is that they've come after some of the most prolific black leaders in our history.
Hassan Piker is not only a threat because of the massive platform that he had, which
ultimately means a massive influence. But one of Hassan Piker's biggest threats
is that he has wealth. And it's something that I've seen in a lot of comment of
people talking about how much his home is worth, his net worth, which if we
understand capitalism in the United States of America, capitalism is not set to
to reward people who are not aligned with establishment.
Based on this country's values,
Hassan Piker and Ms. Rachel are people
that are supposed to fall on the right side
of imperialism, not opposing.
Something that the black radical tradition
has shown us in history time after time.
One of the greatest examples is Paul Robeson.
He was considered a renaissance man,
singer, actor, athlete.
He could do it all and traveled the world doing so.
That is until he became very boisterous
about his opposition to American imperialism
racism. And the U.S. State Department decided to revoke his passport because they knew that
is how it is that he made his living, but ultimately how it is that he was able to share
his influence internationally.
Close presence, thank you for the hundred gifted.
Paul Robeson and civil rights leader William Patterson went to the United Nations and presented
a historic petition entitled, We Charge Genocide, The Crime of Government Against
the Negro People. I wonder where we've heard that genocide were before. And one
One of the key signers for this position was none other than William Edward Bergart Du Bois,
also known as W.E.B Du Bois, along with over 150 civil rights leaders, family members of
lynching victims, lawyers, intellectuals, actors, activists.
It was as a result that Paul Robinson was blacklisted and ultimately saw a decline in
his income, because that's the tool of what capitalism does.
So what does this have to do with folks like Hassan Piper and Ms. Ray?
Well, the reality is folks like me and so many others that follow the black radical tradition
have said for the longest time that whatever happens to us will eventually happen to others.
We have talked about Cointel, Pearl and Surveillance.
It's black August.
We've talked about political prisoners.
We've given the history of enslavement, policing, outright lies spewed by the government.
But for some reason, when it comes from black people, it's not enough.
So the correlation of seeing how it is that Hassan Piker and Ms. Rachel are being
treated might make the information click instead.
just like the killings of Alex Pretty and Renee Good. Sometimes it's important to draw
a line of who folks Dean is worthy and who folks Dean is not.
Yeah, see, there's someone who said, Hasan is the sole reason why I'm a leftist today.
Went from voting Trump in 2016 to listening to Hasan and becoming a socialist soon after
that.
His method of communication truly does work.
That is the entire purpose.
the entire purpose as to why so many of these people aggressively try to prosecute my case.
Right? That's what it is. That's because it works and it absolutely softens the impact.
It absolutely softens the impact when you have
have Angie Nixon giving a master's class on media mentioning you.
So I have not campaigned with Mr. Piker, not sure where that information came from. I have
campaigned with Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib and so she is someone who wants the same
things that I want to make sure that government is working for people and not against it
and so I'll continue to do the same thing but I have not campaigned with Mr. Piker
I don't know who he is personally or anything like that. I am actually focused on Florida
and making sure that I'm talking to voters here to uplift their needs and their concerns.
And so that's what my focus is going to be over the next year.
Don't know. Don't know anything about that. I'm not sure where they came from.
All right. My apologies. I thought that you had my apologies about that. Would you want him to campaign with you?
I don't really know who Mr. Piker is. I've heard about him. And so I don't know who he is.
going to be over the next don't know don't know Angel nixon at all don't know her at all lover
it is pretty wild that the the media's obsession with me has gotten to this like alarming degree
where they're like what do you mean you don't know who a sumpiker is it's like i don't know
why should she why should every single person know exactly who i am also
So, what's the problem?
Stay the fuck out of Florida, Lamont.
OK, everyone needs to calm down.
OK.
Just.
Just chill.
Just chill.
Just let it.
Hey.
All will be revealed in time. Anyway, um, but it's because Chomp, the oligarchy tour
got falsely reported on that you were there. I think that's why they were saying it. Yeah.
I don't, I didn't, I didn't go to that rally. I wasn't there at that rally.
And it's, it's very strange that they're making it seem like I was there at that rally.
Not that it matters, you know, one way or another.
Um, stay away from Florida. Florida, please. Issan, endorse the Republican, please. Okay,
here, I'm going to start, first of all, I'm going to start banning people who say dumb
fucking bullshit like that. Okay. I'm going to start permitting people that say dumb
I'm fucking bullshit like that because you're undermining your own cause.
Okay. You're undermining your own cause. You fucking idiot. I am you.
I am your megaphone. You don't have to hand the oppositional framing at W here.
Okay. There's jokes, but then there's also like people who sincerely think that,
that like our community's involvement in any race is a burden.
Are we, are we now taking the MS now CNN Fox news framing? Is that what we're
doing? Are you fucking stupid?
Do you now understand that you're just caving to their narrative at that point? Okay?
What every Democrat has every Democrat and former Democrat and socialist who is a former liberal
Always has the same brain disease
constant concession
To oppositional framing a lot of you
you, a lot of you unfortunately have that exact same brain disease. It sucks. You need
to shed yourself of this mentality. Okay? There's a difference between someone like myself
and Bernie Sanders and AOC. I get to be bold in places where they can't. Okay? Because
I'm not running for office. These things work side by side with one another. But if you guys
also end up, even in this community, if you guys also end up taking the oppositional framing
and say, oh, it's a burden, our policies are a burden on these campaigns are our movement
is a burden on the big, beautiful progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Then all of
a sudden we're not only just an electoral vehicle that is doing PR work for the Democratic
party, but we're also, uh, we're also moving away from our positions. No one is running away
from our policies. No one is running away from our positions. Okay. Just because, just because
folks who are attacking us on the right and in the center and, and trying to rid our influence
from the main stage does not mean that it's correct, and it certainly doesn't mean you
should take that narrative on. Don't ever do that. Our policies are incredibly popular.
This platform will remain not just the policy, but on the media side, we will still be an
incubator for more quote-unquote radical policies, more quote-unquote radical campaigns, this
will still remain a bastion of the left.
Why is it not?
We're fighting against the status quo.
We're fighting against very powerful forces in this country.
For many years, I think people said, oh, corporate influence is so, so toxic.
influence is so subversive. And then you're, you're faced with a little bit of pushback.
You're faced with a little bit of pushback and all of a sudden
you shy away, you back away. Your face with a little bit of pushback and you immediately
take the oppositional framing. Yeah. I saw the Macius. I know, I know.
Anyway, stunning Nixon upset primary wins and losses, Dearborn racist rally. Moscovitz is
nuts. American doctor interview straight, still closed. Get in now. Look, I've got
I've talked to a lot of people who have been in the crosshairs in a similar manner in positions of tremendous power and influence a lot higher than I've ever been able to achieve.
And what I must explain to you, what I must show you is this.
First of all, we need a blast off meme. Let's start there.
Let's start there
We need to blast off mean folks your face is on cakes now wait what that's so funny
me. Stepping your tie selection up. Yeah, this is the tie that the TikTok influencer
who does styling for plays and stuff for a living, that's the one that they were able
define. We got it from them. And I'm wearing it today. Here's your blast off me. Okay,
I need a photo, man. I don't need a I need a photo. I don't need it. A funny movie that
you saw. You know. Anyway, here we got to all right, we'll do that. And then we'll get
into some stuff. Wow, you actually follow through on that? Yes, dude. Yes, I'm on it.
Some of you are dropping the ball. I'm on the ball.
Okay.
This is basically about more than half the chat. Oh, the one on the, um, we have the majority position as a community.
We should never be afraid to lean into it. Yeah.
Yeah, I like, dude, if, if you guys in this community are eating that propaganda, then how is the expectation that anyone.
anyone. How's the expectation that politicians will remain brave or bold when it comes to their
advocacy? If you guys literally are like, well, Hasan is far too odious of a figure. Sorry,
sucks to suck. And you literally tune in every day. You've basically caved to the
framing that we are Nick Fuentes. Like you might as well run around and, and join the,
the opposition team. You might as well quit watching this broadcast and go back to MS
now. Like, there's a reason for why. There's a reason for why they're doing this. Do you
think it's a fucking accident that it's every Israel first politician and every Israel first
news network? Every news network that's unbelievably favorable to Israel and their coverage or
rather, uh, very sympathetic to, to Zionism, uh, because of, you know, a couple executives
These are a couple producers.
Those are the ones who have participated in this intimidation campaign.
There's three major reasons here.
I'm just going to look.
I'm going to read you the assessment.
Okay.
I'm going to read you the assessment.
There's three reasons.
Okay.
Number one is intimidation.
not going to work. Okay. Number two is to try and get others to shun me to defang this
platform to make this, to make this platform seem as far too toxic for candidates to approach
because basically what they're saying is if you go on this campaign, if you go, I mean,
if you go on this, this media platform, if you go on this medium at all, we are going
to make your life a living hell. We are going to attack you. Fox news is going to attack
you. CNN is going to constantly harass you with questions. They are going to, um, they're
going to bully you. They're going to badger you. Okay. And the second part doesn't necessarily
work. It's not as, as effective. Okay. It's not as effective, but that's precisely the
reason why I'm saying like, don't ever fucking lean into that, uh, idiotic framing. Okay.
ridiculous. And then the the last one I guess is to make it seem as though it's politically
disadvantageous to to have our policies to maintain our policies. We've already won a
very important victory with Abdul al-Sayed. We've already won a very important victory
with Obdol also had in the primaries, 12 to 1 didn't work. The policies were sound and he was
outspent 12 to 1 and it didn't work. And objectively, the barrage of attention on his race ended up
highlighting his policies, ended up showing his position, right? Ended up proving that he had the
the uh the background is a fighter and now he's consolidating the base but you
should never you should never in a million years lean into that same frame
we're gonna be like just stay the fuck away from Florida okay stay the fuck
away from Florida dogs stay the fuck away dog we went in to the most right
right wing, one of the most right wing districts in the country that was recently redistricted.
One of the most right wing districts in the country that was recently redistricted to
be even more right wing.
At the time of its redistricting, Florida 25 turned to a plus nine district.
Now it's leaning at plus four Republican.
It was plus nine.
It was designed for that reason.
And we went in there with an unknown entity by the name of Oliver Larkin, a man who had
held no prior office, a young man who was bold and had a vision.
Okay?
And he was able to carve out almost 40% of the vote in that district.
is incredible. It is an incredible victory. Are you kidding me? We're talking about not just
any district in Florida. We're talking about one of the worst districts for a democratic socialist
to run in in Florida, to operate in Florida. Okay? He got a higher percentage in that district
than Bernie Sanders did. Open socialists getting 44% of the vote in Miami. Honestly, shout out to
the dem primary voters. Bernie Sanders got 24% in Miami Dade in 2016. Okay. Do you understand
how spectacular this is? Now, centrist Democrats will run around and talk about how impressive
victory it was for the incumbent Jared Moskowitz in a district that is probably one of the most
pro-Israel districts in the country running against an unknown entity who had held zero prior office
before this run whose entire campaign was exclusively anchored by this community
and other independent media outlets, primarily this community and communities like this one,
right? Like Twitch streamers. Are you kidding me? It is a testament to the success of this platform.
It is a testament to the success and popularity of our ground game.
The very fact that the very fact that centrist Democrats are celebrating Jared
Moskowitz's victory as though this is you know the days of the Democratic Tea Party are over.
What's next? Are Republicans gonna be excited that they're winning in Alabama?
What are we talking about?
These are the dying gasps of a movement that refuses to change, a movement that has no vision.
Okay?
They don't
Bernie Sanders lost as well what I don't understand is you said yourself yesterday you want to stay away from agitation
It's possible to avoid association. Why would you want to do that? If you don't think you could hurt her
Did you mean there's something wrong with her
slash Jen
No, I also said
If my services are required and who knows what the dynamic might turn into then I'll be there no matter what
Okay, sometimes I don't talk about everything that's going on
Okay, especially because there are there are a lot of fucking there's a lot of attention on this on this platform a lot of
Negative attention on this platform a lot of people who are lurking in the shadows waiting for any opportunity to clip
and and design their own narratives. Okay?
There's a difference however there's a there's a difference between conceding
on that right-wing framing that you know our our involvement in any way shape
or form is negative in a state like Florida is bullshit. I'm showing you
that it's not irrelevant. I'm showing you right here that it's not irrelevant, but it's always
a calculation. It's up to the campaign. It's up to the policies. It's up to the, to the base
and how receptive the base is, right? It's up to how receptive the base is. Something
that works in Denver, Colorado, or Colorado statewide or Michigan statewide might not
work in Florida, especially with the current attitude in Florida, especially with the current
demographic makeup of Florida or the voters in the state of Florida.
Obviously, we're not delusional.
I saw, I saw something that Matt Iglesias was saying where they're like, well, why aren't
people saying, here, this is what he said. Look, so how come nobody included most
enthusiastic leftists on the site think the DSA nominee for Florida Senator is
going to teach all the establishment losers by the win elections? Are you mad
that we're much more realistic about electoral performance than you pay
in his ads? Your theory is that there's a great groundswell of left-wing
feeling hiding in the non-voting population. Is it not? We're also not
delusional about the barrage of, you know, attacks that candidates with these policies
are going to receive.
The theory is simple. Establishment Democrats that have money backing. Establishment Democrats
that have money backing try to open up a line of defense, okay? They are basically the
the bulwark against the unlimited attacks that our campaigns will receive.
And we bring the low propensity voters.
It works hand in hand.
We bring in the low propensity voters who in this attention economy normally don't participate
in elections at all.
Me in particular, this community in particular brings in the under 45 investment, the under
45 participation. Okay. And then in the general, we bring in the low propensity voters. And
the establishment Democrats are supposed to just basically open up their wallets and not
attack the candidates and play the role of consolidating support behind the candidates.
That is the theory of success, a world where Bernie makes it out of the 2016 primary and
establishment Democrat consolidates support around him. Okay. The establishment Democrats
consolidate support around him. And then he's capable of activating and priming the populist
rage voters, the low propensity voters, and the Democrats bring the rest
with the machine politics. That's why the Abdel El Sayed race is a major test. There's some
good information coming out of that one right now, new polls showing. A majority report,
thank you for the rate. Hope you had a good stream.
And we'll be looking at that. We'll be looking at that and we'll be covering that in a
a little bit.
Rokana asked about sticking his neck out for you goes on for
about five minutes.
Oh with waja hot Ali.
Yeah, I'm going to be doing the I'm going to have a little
spot on the joy and read show.
Later.
Mike explained that your main job met your main jobs are to sit and boost insurgents who need your help to get an easy 50 to 100k
to start hiring people rent out a headquarters etc. People think you hound politicians, but it's the other way around. Yeah, people are very stupid.
People are very very stupid and what they don't understand about this
People are very dumb
They don't realize that I'm not the one going around fucking begging politicians to play a role in their campaigns. It's the opposite. I
Don't give a shit
About working with politicians. I don't work with many politicians who come to me the only reason why I do it is because I
Think it's worth it
But no matter how many times I explain this, these guys think like, no, you're getting
clouded by being, by being next to positive.
He's like, no, I'm not, I'm not.
It doesn't help me at all.
It only, it only frustrates people in positions of power.
Okay.
It only makes people in positions of power very mad and it forces that it causes them
to to come after me, my family, constantly fucking lying about me. Who wants that?
Create an environment of intimidation and coordinated outrage, manufacturing, coordinated
harassment. You think I want people to think that I'm like a like a dangerous anti-American
radical terrorist or whatever the fuck you think you think I like seeing videos like the ones
that we're going to be talking about later from Dearborn, Michigan, where you have a straight
up white nationalist going to the Dearborn, Michigan council or town hall and saying Hassan
wants to impregnate white women. We have to kill these people. You think I like hearing
that? You think I like seeing how viral those clips are.
You think Zionists don't know what they're doing when they lean into these, uh, anger
campaigns to try to activate some of the most schizophrenic Republicans in the
country to go do their bidding to come and try and assassinate me you think they
don't know what they're doing you think Zionists don't know what they're doing
when they foment Islamophobia of course they know what they're doing of course
they know what they're fucking doing it's not like they're hiding it they
they say it out loud. They say it out loud. Here is one example of this. Diaspora Affairs
Minister saying out loud that their new strategy is to no longer appeal to concerns of anti-Semitism,
but to go all in with the European and American right on Islamophobia. Here is Israeli diaspora
minister Amichai Chickley. Anti-Semitism does not interest the average European or the
average american radical islam interest them very much very very much and
therefore we need to take advantage of that
If the American and European
and against the most Muslim
this must be the strategy
because here we have the Muslim Brotherhood
that he doesn't want to say how important
By the way, this isn't new drop site reported on this already months ago. I covered it. I
covered it I
Didn't predict this I covered what was happening because I was on I was one of its fucking victims one of its earliest victims
I've been experiencing this nonsense for like the last three years at this point
Do you understand?
They know they can't make people love Israel, but what they can do is make its critics out
to be Islamic jihadists.
Lean into it.
Lean make Israel's critics out to be fifth column style Islamic infiltrators and try
to tar and feather or try to connect because like there are a lot of obviously Arabs,
There are a lot of Arab Christians as well,
and a lot of people in the pro-Palestine movement
that are Muslim.
And these countries, the Western world broadly,
is still very Islamophobic.
So what they're trying to do,
what they're trying to do now
is make it seem like every single person,
every single person that cares about Gaza,
or wants to use our tax dollars here.
Okay.
All of those people are actually dangerous scary terrorists
that want to do Sharia law.
That's it.
Leaning into a torrent of Islamophobia, painting all of its critics as scary Islamic jihadists
that want to destroy the western world.
Wake up.
That's it.
You think you are the hidey-rear political capital? Fuck no.
Absolutely not.
I've got a long way to go.
We're just beginning.
We're just getting started, Chad.
What are you talking about?
Anyway,
I mean, the Abdul Al-Sahed race is a perfect depiction of this, a perfect demonstration
of exactly what I'm talking about, okay?
The Abdul Al-Sahed race is a perfect demonstration.
It ties back to what Jared Moskowitz is trying to do as well, though, and we'll talk about
it.
I can't imagine this is going to make people positive of Israel.
No, it's just making Americans more hateful overall. They'll just be anti-Semitic and Islamophobic. Yes
You're absolutely correct
But I think
From their perspective. Yes, the the Hinrich up thing is on my radar. I know
From the from the perspective of Israel at least like this kind of division this kind of chaos in American society broadly
will be beneficial this kind of chaos and
And and this kind of
Deflection away moves the attention away from Israel and back to
the the scary dangerous Muslims that are trying to implement Sharia law or whatever the fuck right
And Michael LaRosa is doing it. I mean he's like literally a foreign agent for I think Dubai
This is a lobbyist firm that he works for. That's a Trump bundler backed by I mean the guy
Who he works for is a major Trump bundler, right?
Like a donor for for MAGA right-wing donor and the firm is actually hired by Dubai and Libya if I'm not mistaken
So there he's like a registered foreign agent and of course if he's like a UAE
Foreign lobbyist like you might as well call that you might as well
shock that up as a foreign registered foreign agent for Israel all the same, because UAE's
influence operations are directly in line with Israel's influence operations. UAE is
actually responsible for a big chunk of the Islamophobia that happens in the Western
world. Tommy Robinson in the UK is a major UAE backed fire brand, right? Like Tommy
Robinson, the anti-Islam white nationalist. This has been reported in the past. UAE is
a proxy for Israel, yes, absolutely. Check logs, case in point, Tommy Robinson shouting
him out. Yeah, Robinson wished Chickley success, Amichai Chickley. Controversial far-right
figure Tommy Robinson to send a video message of support to the Israeli minister, Amichai
chikli ahead of a liqud election. Robinson wished chikli success and referred to him as his dear friend.
Robinson praised chikli for what he described as his understanding of the problems the West
faces, calling for Western patriots to unite in defense of Western civilization.
In recent years, Robinson has been accused of having strong ties with Israel,
with critics referring to him as Tel Aviv Tommy. Some critics have also alleged that Robinson
acts as an Israeli asset, while reports have shown the pro-Israel organizations have helped
fund his legal costs. So, not everyone who supports Israel is Islamophobic, but most
people are sorry, not every Islamophobe supports Israel. Okay. But everyone who supports Israel
So that's definitely a thing that's happening.
And obviously we have to cover it from the, you know, we have to cover it because it's
going to have. It's currently having some kind of electoral impact. Here's another
version of this. Matthew Cassel from Jewish Insider reports Michigan Jewish leaders are
circulating an open letter urging Jewish Democrats in the state to sign their names in support
of Mike Rogers over Abdul El Sayed for Senate. The letter is read by Eric Bronstein,
a Detroit Jewish leader and businessman, among others. Michigan Jews against extremism.
The idea that Mike Rogers is not the extremist in this race, and it's actually Abdul Al-Sayed
that is the extremist in this race, is straight up racist, okay?
I'm sorry.
I've said this over and over again.
The danger to American Jews does not come from Muslims.
It comes from white nationalists.
And American Jews that think that they can align with white nationalists, with right-wingers
in general, are actually really having a chickens for KFC moment.
I understand that for many older American Jews, Israel has a very special place in
their heart.
And they feel as though Israel is under attack, and they feel as though a lot of these attacks
are coming from a place of anti-Semitism, right?
But you have to give up on your emotional support apartheid state.
These people that you think you are aligning with are going to send you to the same concentration
camps that we get sent to first. It blows my mind. It blows my mind. American Jews are
raised as who cares what they think about anti Zionists. Dude, dude. This is not a beneficial
mode of communication. Okay? Just across the board saying American
Jews are one way is ridiculous. Okay, it's ridiculous. You're,
you're literally leaning into it. You're leaning into this
narrative. No one is monolithic. White people are not monolithic. Jews are not monolithic.
No group is monolithic. Of course, statements like this lead people into believing that American
Jews are monolithic. And that's why statements like this are fucked up and dangerous. And
And I won't stop advocating for my values.
I won't stop combating anti-Semitism, as well as every other form of bigotry, even if every
Jewish institution in the country comes out and says, Hassan Piker is our biggest threat.
Okay?
And we're pretty much there at this point, with the exception of like Jewish voice
for peace and other anti-Zionist Jewish institutions, virtually every Jewish institution
the country at this point has yelled about me being an ever-present danger.
I have not shied away from expressing my opinion of the toxic and incorrect nature of anti-Semitism,
regardless, because my values are my values irrespective to what Zionist institutions
are presenting themselves as. I don't do it for ass covering. Many people falsely assume
that I'm doing it for ass covering. Oh, I'm paying the piper. I have to say this stuff.
It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what I say. They treat me as though I'm a dangerous
anti-Semite nonetheless. If anything, they treat me as a more toxic figure because of
my uncompromising anti-Zionist position and my uncompromising position against anti-Semitism.
In any case, Michigan Jews against extremism. We are Michigan citizens and voters. We are
Democrats and independents. We're proud American Jews. We care for the safety of our community.
The health of our political discourse and the future of our country. We declare our intent
to vote for Mike Rogers in the U.S. Senate in 2026. Many of us have been fiercely supportive
of Democratic candidates and principles. All of us have felt threatened and alienated
by the politics and allies embraced by Abdul Al Sayed, which has included demonization
of Jews, equivocation on terrorism, exclusion of Jewish Americans from public life, an expression
of implacable hatred of the world's only Jewish nation.
We believe these core messages of his candidacy are bad for the Democratic Party, harmful
to the safe and thriving Jewish community in Michigan and detrimental to the future
of the country of al-Said, where the win the general election in this important swing
state, implacable? Sorry. I just don't understand what service this provides. Like, what, what
are you, what purpose is this serving? Other than making members of the Jewish community
in Michigan, actually hysterical. Because if you think Abdel El-Sayed is an anti-Semite,
you're fucking hysterical. One of the first backers of Abdel El-Sayed was Andy Levin,
the president of his own synagogue, a proud Michigan Jew. That was one of his first
backers. Levin, sorry. Abdullah al-Sayed is backed by many Jewish
Michiganders. Abdullah al-Sayed has never, never, never demonstrated any hatred to
any group. Certainly not Jews, certainly not anybody else. So what's insane about this is
all you're doing is freaking out. Placate is the root word for implacable has nearly the same
pronunciation. Thank you. This is just self-induced diaspora syndrome, rejecting all of your personal
political values to defend reactionary nationalism. Something we are all familiar with, but in this
case, you're not even diaspora to the state anyway. Yeah, no, that's it. That's it.
If Al said we're to win the general election in this important swing state, we fear the far
left and anti-Jewish elements within the Democratic Party would become dominant,
including the imminent 2028 presidential race, we cannot allow him to become the Democratic
standard bearer or Michigan Senator.
We know Mike Rogers served ably in the House of Representatives in his early career in
the military, national security and law enforcement.
He has been and will be a friend of the Jewish community.
Our vote for Mike Rogers does not require that we agree with him on every issue or
that we support President Trump.
Yes, it does, by the way, yes it does.
It 100% does.
saying that you don't want someone who is critical of Israel, who literally abides by
the overwhelming majority position on Israel to be the deciding vote on the Democratic Senate
majority to create an environment of accountability, just a little bit of legislative accountability
on the current president the current fascist president because you're worried about its
considerations for 2028 in relate with american democrats and their relationship with the state
of israel that has done a genocide that's maintaining an apartheid it is one of the most
toxic forms of nationalism that i have ever seen
I don't think this is indicative of the broader attitude of Michigan Jews, okay?
I don't.
I don't think this is correct, but the media will go to some of the community leaders and
make it seem as though every Democrat, every Democratic voter who is Jewish in Michigan
now is terrified of obloxate they did this was our mom donnie
it wasn't the case in new york city and it will not be the case
in michigan either
it's not even american national which is crazy no that's what's insane about it
it's israeli nationalism that is leaning into american nationalism
have you learned nothing
Look, I know my name is a song. I am, you know, the number one scary force in American politics for American Jews is what you've seen in your media. What you've heard.
But do you not recognize what dangerous forces you're playing with when you lean into American fascism?
You think if you're Jewish and you're worried about another Holocaust happening.
what do you think is the higher likelihood
of another holocaust potentially happening
american fascism that you're leaning into
or restricting israel from continuing to do fascism
insane wake the fuck up
acting as though mike rogers
is not the radical one here but i'll do i'll say it is
is a betrayal, is a betrayal of thousands of years of Jewish history, it's a betrayal
of the revolutionary history that has been a formative part of Jewish history from its
beginning.
Ridiculous.
It blows my mind that the last 100 years of Zionism has almost entirely eroded thousands
of years of shared Jewish history.
It blows my fucking mind.
I cannot understand it.
Here in Michigan this year and in this Senate race, our well-being and our own voices are
at stake.
This is a moment when each of us must speak out.
We're voting for Mike Rogers.
We ask other Michigan Jews to vote with us to join us.
Anyway, they are fascist, Jews are not, doesn't matter if they support a fascist state committing a genocide, they're fascist, I know.
But this also betrays the immediate self-interest that American Jews have.
If their immediate self-interest revolves around self-preservation, they're making the wrong decision here regardless.
Yeah, Jewish socialists help build multiracial democracy in America, man.
What the fuck are we doing?
I don't know exactly where this switch flipped.
But there's a reason why people like Nick Fuentes who are well-read neo-Nazis will
regularly talk in the exact same way that Adolf Hitler did about a diverse society and how Jews
played a formative role in it. Okay? That's why I talk about PEP, progressive except for Palestine,
and how much American Jews have played an important role in all aspects of labor struggle,
struggle, in all aspects of the civil rights struggle, Jewish socialists were instrumental
in destroying the apartheid in South Africa, many of which are still alive, they're still
around.
What are we doing?
These are very well read, very influential, and often times very wealthy individuals who
are saying completely unhinged shit.
It doesn't make any sense.
You know better.
You know better.
You know better than to entertain these dangerous forces.
That's crazy.
It blows my mind how much the toxicity of Zionism has eroded, even the self-preservation instinct
of American Jews that lean into dangerous forces like this.
It doesn't make any sense.
Sometimes ethnic identity trumps over other values.
You saw decades-long alliance amongst Jewish and Black New Yorkers and the civil rights
movement completely collapsing to animosity after the Crown Heights riot.
We like to think we're above tribalism, but we aren't.
I just think that like, I just think you have to have higher principles, you know, you have
to have higher values.
It makes me sad when I watch my Jewish family members turn to reactionary beliefs, the
and progenitors of which do not have the best interest of Jewish safety at heart, no matter
how much of a mirage they present.
We saw with Ben Shapiro's encultured dismissiveness, John Podhoritz's Trump-Casey-Sharlock 100
times, he bombed Iran, bullshit, exactly, exactly.
I don't know why.
If there's one lesson to learn, if there's one lesson to learn from Nazi Germany and
Holocaust. It's the fact that you cannot align with fascists because fascists are inevitably
going to say you're a part of the outgroup. Jews have literally historically been this force
in every single society that's collapsing. In every instance of economic volatility,
Who do the forces that control society turn to and shift the blame to a minority population that has a lot of money?
It's always been the Jews
You think that you can continue with this alleges. Are you fucking stupid?
Right now it's Muslims it doesn't matter
It doesn't matter Muslims are the out group right now, but Jews will inevitably be the out group as well
So it doesn't make any fucking sense. It's kind of the whole point of building a
multiracial diverse
Society that exists harmoniously. That's the whole point
You think that you think that these guys won't eventually go. Hey, you know what?
You guys have a lot of money. You're a relatively small population. You have a lot of money. You
have a lot of influence. We've now decided that your influence is negative. You think that
same tribalistic force that you're leaning into right now is not going to eventually put
across there's on you are you fucking stupid? It's going to happen. It's already
beginning to happen. I mean, look at James Fishback. James Fishback ran on a the
Holocaust might have not happened, but if it happened, it's good ticket. You
You know, and he got 10% of the vote in the Florida gubernatorial primaries for the Republican
party.
The same forces that are putting the crosshairs oftentimes by the way directed by Israel as
well.
The same forces that are fomenting Islamophobia are eventually going to come for you too.
Okay.
are. It shouldn't get to that point for you to recognize that this is a dangerous movement
that you are leaning into. But in any case, let's get back to Florida 25. Representative
Jared Moskowitz. Moskowitz dunks on the DSA. It's, this is the, the playbook.
Now, yesterday, our boy Oliver Larkin put up a very strong fight in one of the most
conservative districts in the country, perhaps one of the worst districts for an avowed
anti-Zionist socialist to run in. Okay. District is very old. District is very rich.
District has 25 percent, 25 percent Jewish population in it, and these aren't like,
you know, Jewish folk in New York City. These are, you know, these are Jewish folk that love Israel,
right? And he put up a very strong fight with no national progressive endorsements
whatsoever, just basically our community, a couple other communities on the internet
and tremendous ground game. In a district like that, in a district like that, he was able to secure
more than a third of the vote. A higher percentage of the Miami-Dade voters voted for Oliver Larkin
and then they did for Bernie Sanders. Okay? But what did Jared Moskowitz, the incumbent,
with maxed out name recognition in the district, in a fairly conservative district, too? Well,
he presented his position as though it was a profound electoral victory, first and foremost.
And a lot of us interested this too, when I thought, yeah, Boca Raton, uh, this is palm,
is Palm Beach.
Anyway, first thing he did was tweet out, my condolences to Hassan the hunt.
He didn't actually say, Oh, you know, we have, uh, we have a job here.
This is going to be a tough general race against the Republican.
They redistricted this district to make it more competitive for the Republican party.
None of that.
like thank you to my voters, none of that. His first thought was, prominent critic of
Israel Hassan Piker, fuck you. Before even thanking his constituents, I said he's really
worried about his genocidal emotional support apartheid state, which he is. He should be,
I guess, if that's his primary concern, it makes sense.
Now, this is, of course, very motivating for a lot of extremely online centrists that don't really have a base in the real world.
world. It's kind of crazy that the Republicans have successfully tried to turn me into a
me into a wedge issue. And not only have the Republicans done this, but also Democrats are
doing this as well. Democrats are leaning into this as well. Democrats who are pathetically
obsessed with defending their emotional support apartheid state. Straight up, you will only
hear these kinds of attacks get validated by corporate media that is sympathetic to
the plight of Israel and also establishment Democrats and establishment Republicans
as well of course, but we know where they stand on these issues.
Moscow it seems is going to take his predictable victory in his own district into a national
campaign against the democratic socialists of America and also myself.
The wire taught us you come with the king, you best not miss.
That same rule applies to extremely online members of Congress.
Jared Moskowitz became the latest moderate Democrat to push back against the Democratic
Socialist Surge on the left, trouncing Oliver Larkin and Florida's 25th last night, likely
handing the Democrats their best shot at retaining the newly redrawn district meant to favor Republicans.
But that's just the star for Moskowitz, who's eyeing a Washington-sized role in the Democratic
Party's ongoing civil war.
Florida is known for hurricanes he told Playbook, moments after dispatching Larkin
by nearly 30 points.
And so the DSA is a disaster area in Florida and there's no federal reimbursement coming
for these people.
I just love these, you know, dummy clapbacks.
It's always so funny.
It's always, the clapbacks are always hilarious to me.
Okay.
It's just like a guy trying to be cool for some, I mean, and failing to be cool every
single time.
In any case, the pro-Israel dem typically quick to respond to critics ignored Larkin's attacks
in the DSA chatter around the race and the run up to Tuesday, betting that engaging his
little known challenger would only give him oxygen.
He knew that if people were more primed and more tuned into this race, and if he actually
matched up against his opponent, that there would be a lot more people in his district
that would favor the lesser known Oliver Larkin.
So he, he did, you know, he did exactly what he was supposed to do.
Betting that engaging his little known challenger will only give him oxygen.
Now Moskowitz plans to seize the role of chief counterweight among House Democrats and make
his former challenger the first of many targets.
Moskowitz may be the best moderate, the moderate best position to take on the left.
He's a fluent online troll and proven sharp communicator across social media and in
committee.
His clashes in Trump administration takeover, take downs, routinely go viral.
He's got a particular knack for getting under rival skin. Just ask former foil and house oversight chair James Comer
What Moskva's doesn't understand is I'm a media demon
I'm a media demon myself. This is all I do all I do is comms all I do is media
so you're actually
Rolling up your sleeves and getting in the mud and I'm the pig you understand
So if you want to make yourself this embarrassing figure, instead of focusing on your race, or you
have a tough battle ahead of you, I mean go right ahead I guess. I'm not running for office dumbass,
but I guess he thinks this will boost his national profile as the great annihilator of
democratic socialism or something. I think it'll make him look silly. I've said this before. I
warned Democrats when they leaned into, in the beginning of the Trump administration, what did I
warn Democrats of doing? Do not find yourself taking a reactionary stance on the issue of
immigration. People are gonna turn around. People are gonna turn around on this issue.
They already don't like Trump. And there were plenty of Democrats who actually lost their
races because of their votes on pro-ice policies, pro-ice legislation. They did not have the
foresight. So I'm going to do it again. Not that, you know, not
that Moskowitz will listen to what I have to say. Okay, because
he fucking despises me for other reasons. But making yourself a
pivotal pro-Israel figure in the Democratic Party by
consistently attacking someone like myself is not going to be
good for your future prospects. I know you think it
be good to win over donors. There's definitely a lot of appetite for real fighters who will
do everything in their power to defend Israel. You will lose in the long run and perhaps you
You might even lose in the short term as well.
In any case,
Expect to see plenty of Moskowitz on the airways starting tonight on CNN News Insight with Abbey
Phillip.
First on his list, Heya Sompiker, welcome to Florida.
The influential socialist streamer campaign for Larkin and Hammered Moskowitz on a stream
for weeks.
Now Moskowitz is putting Democrats in campaign with Piker on notice.
shouldn't play hide the piker now. Moskowitz said, for all those people who thought it was a great
idea to campaign with them, as Jay-Z once said, bring him out, bring him out. They shouldn't be
hiding him now. In a phone call last night, piker laughed when playbook read him Moskowitz's attacks.
I said, I'm genuinely concerned for his mental well-being, piker said. I think you should
stop posting on the internet and focus on defeating the Republican in his newly redistricted
congressional seat. Moskowitz isn't laughing. They're anti-American at their core. He said,
of the DSA members likely to join Congress next year. People who have said anti-American things,
have said things that are pro-Russia, pro-China, should really get their security,
should really, should they really get a security clearance? So he is, again, the exact type of
Democrat that I'm talking about when I say they're leaning into these like anti,
they're leaning into these reactionary forces because they think it will help
them out in the interim and it'll help them out in the short term. Can you imagine?
If people on the DSA side started running around being like, well, Moskowitz is Jewish.
Perhaps that's the reason why he's, you know, he's doing dual loyalty.
Like everyone would fucking yell at them. Everyone would understandably yell at them.
I would yell at them. I'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
You know what I mean?
Like, can you imagine someone literally going around and being like, well, you know,
Jewish Democrats, should they get a security clearance, that would be fucking insane.
That would be a fucking insane thing to say, and people would understandably get mad at
that.
And they should get mad at that.
I would get mad at that.
And I do get mad at that.
people try to do that kind of nonsense around these parts.
The chief antagonistic posture could play political dividends outside his own party in a post redistricting
general election, letting Moskowitz cast himself as a Democrat willing to confront his party's
rising socialist flank.
I think that's partially why he's doing it.
That's partially why he's doing it, because it's probably good for his district and that's
why he's doing it.
But if he tries to chop down the national democratic party, like the coalition, if he
tries to like go after ob-blah, say it like, these are far more consequential seats than
yours, buddy.
Okay?
What the fuck do you mean?
These are far more important seats for the National Democratic Party than your little
ass district.
And we should not forget, once again, no matter how moderate the district is, no matter how
right wing the district is, if you don't differentiate yourself from the Republicans,
You're basically serving your existing constituents to the Republicans, okay?
This is the problem.
I'm not opposed to moderating on your agenda or your message dependent on the district that
you're running in, but you have to still remind people why they are voting for you.
So if you keep promoting Trump and Trumpian policies, Trumpian attitudes, if you just
focus all of your time and effort
attacking your left-flank to be like no no no no we're a different kind of
democrat please vote for us
but then your comms look exactly the same as the republican
then all you're doing is normalized republican values normalized reactionary
values normalized reactionary sentiment
normalized the republican party that's all you're doing to your base
and at some point
the same calculation will take place in your district as well
the same calculation that happened with Kamala Harris's 2024 run, where people said, why
would I not vote for the Republican Party if the Democrats are also talking about stopping
the migration crisis, that they play a formative role in creating.
If you legitimize this idea that migrants are a national security concern, then of
course people that would normally vote for you are either going to stay at home because
they're like, what the fuck are these Democrats saying? Or they're gonna say, okay, well, you
told me that the migrants are a real problem. I'm gonna go with the guys that have been
saying that for years. They're more honest about this problem.
People don't want to vote for Diet MAGA if real MAGA is right there. In any case,
That's a real issue in my opinion. That's a real problem in my opinion.
Drawing that distinction will be even more important after DSM and Ranjanix scored a
breakthrough nomination in the state Senate race and makes this comment to playbook even
more eye-raising. Florida is where DSA goes to die. And he might not have seen, and
he may not have seen the last of Larkin, DSA members are urging the defeated candidate
to consider becoming a national spokesperson for the group, a role that could put the
two back on a collision course. So, yeah, that was the Larkin situation, but yeah, open
social is getting 44% of the vote in Miami. Honestly, shout out to the Dem primary voters.
Bernie Sanders got 24% and Miami Dade in 2016.
believably promising results. What was Larkin's final percentage 36.5? How's he celebrating
on a DSA position won the Senate primary. I'm sure you saw this, but right after his
tweet about you, he thanked the people. Yeah, no, he did it after the Twitch streamer. Yeah,
12 hours between Duncan and Twitch streamer in this law. I want to thank the voters of
Disha 25 for continuing to have faith in me to deliver results for Florida. I want
to thank my wife and kids. Yeah. Yeah, it took them 12 hours to get there. But
Congratulations, the Jared Moscos are being fucking normal.
And it's so funny because remember, 36% he needs all the votes he can get.
Remember, he needs all the votes he can get in that district.
These are democratic voters, 36% of them
that voted for a guy they had never heard of before.
And he's running around fucking yelling.
He's running around being like, fuck those guys.
Yeah, those guys can suck me.
It's like, how are you gonna run in a fucking district?
How are you gonna run in a district
where you got 65% of the primary
and then immediately, right after you win the primary,
you just go, fuck you to 30, 36% of the base.
You need all those voters.
You need all those voters that defeat a Republican in a district
that is now plus four because of the national environment.
The district when it was redrawn initially was plus nine.
This is hubris.
It's so dumb and a lot of these guys are brainbroken by the internet and I know they are.
They're brainbroken by the internet and it's so clear that they're brainbroken by the internet
that they were all celebrating all these centrist Democrats are like we did it we fucking did
it pop the champagne we've destroyed socialism in one of the most conservative districts
I was literally redrawn to benefit the Republican party.
Fuck those guys.
And it's like, all right, dude, good luck.
Good luck.
Good luck.
What can I say?
It's hubris.
That's what it is.
You need every vote you can get, my man.
So positioning yourself like this very strange very dumb
Dude is 100% lose to a conservative and blame it on redistricting while getting the lowest them numbers in the state of Florida
I don't know. We'll see
We'll see how it plays out
Yeah, are centrist Dems capable of anything but embarrassing behavior?
They're not serious people.
In case you missed it, a pack-backed Israel apology is represented in Moscow as one as
primary and immediately started taunting a Sampyger before thanking his family, the
voters and his district, et cetera, amazing stuff.
news outlets aren't over their obsession with the son piker just yet
here's gail king assuming angie nixon at campaign with the son followed by king
seeming disbelief regarding nixon's ancient doesn't know piker i have not
campaign with mr piker at all not sure where that came from all right my
apologies i thought you had would you want him to campaign with you i don't
really know who mr piker is i've heard about him you don't know who he is i
said i don't really know who is personally in anything like that i'm
actually focused on florida
So, we're going to talk about Angie Nixon, we're going to talk about Angie Nixon who I
think is wonderful.
Okay?
I think a lot of people forget for some strange reason.
I think a lot of people forget that I am a political commentator.
Okay?
this isn't just like me defending myself or whatever i'm i am i'm a fucking
political commentator man
my job
is to do commentary in analysis on politics
okay that's my job
i'm a fucking pundit
just because i'm active in some of these races
doesn't mean that there aren't going to be races that i'm not active in but i'm
excited about
okay
Peggy Flanagan is a great example of this.
I didn't touch the Peggy Flanagan race.
I was nowhere near Peggy Flanagan, right?
But I was still excited all the same for her victory.
And the same goes for Angie Nixon.
And I think a lot of these people in the media
forget that.
They think that my job now primarily
is to boost campaigns or something.
No, man, I do commentary.
I boost issues.
I boost policies.
I raised the salience of certain problems that the American working class are facing.
That's my job.
My job is not to make politicians win.
Sometimes that can be a part of my job.
Sometimes we see a lot of success.
Sometimes we come close to victory, but still lose like Francesca Hong.
And in other instances, we get a major defeat.
But ultimately, ultimately, my job is not to make the Democratic Party look good.
My job is not to get Democrats elected.
My job is to be a pundit.
My job is to fire up people and get them paying attention to the issues that fucking matter.
So it's very strange when people go, well, he said something nice about you.
You should disavow him now.
It's very stupid.
I don't do this for anybody.
They called you a kingmaker and took it literally, I know.
And it's funny because I have never said I'm a kingmaker.
Every single time people have been like,
well, aren't you a kingmaker?
I say, no, I'm just one person.
You are constantly talking about yourself.
I know it's fucking annoying.
Actually, let's be real.
I like talking about myself.
I just don't like talking about myself in this situation
because there's an unnecessary amount of attention
that that mainstream outlets place on me and this community.
Blue skies opinion on Asana's would be the funniest.
They're more frustrated with people bringing up
Asana someone they overwhelmingly do not know all the time
than anything Asana's ever said.
Yeah.
I will say, by the way, this is the death blow to resistance liberalism from the first
Trump administration, it's over. It's done. Virtually every single resistance liberal
from 2016 is out. Dang Goldman, who played the role of, you know, the impeachment prosecutor,
He got eliminated by Brad Lander.
This guy was a key witness in Trump's first impeachment.
And he thought that that would carry him into an easy victory.
I think that a lot of the resistance liberals, a lot of the resistance liberals have realized
that Russiagate is not the thing that motivates them or rather Russiagate is not the appropriate
angle of attack against Donald Trump.
And that Democrats should probably have something else that they're presenting.
And for all of the anger towards Eddinger Mantam by this community, because sometimes
he has a snarky attitude about our candidates, the reality of the matter is he clocked this
shit a long time ago. Okay. So when he cooks, he cooks this community. Okay. Michael from
Pennsylvania fans in, in our community, in our shared community, they fucking despise them.
Okay. But this is correct. Back from back in June 24, Ed Indramentum said, one underrated reason
my left is now accomplishing things that didn't under Trump one pine. Oh,
the disappearance of Russiagate and its power as an alternative to the bread and butter lefty.
This is neo liberalism's fault. Explanation for Trump's rise. I said this as well.
I said this as well. This is my assessment as well. If you remember,
one of the things, because people always forget I'm a very pragmatic person and I can turn on
the election Twitter side of my brain as well. And I often will talk about this
the sort of thing. Like one of the very common threads that I always pull on is that Bernie Sanders'
2016 success wasn't just because everybody was like, I love socialism. I now have a copy of the
Communist manifesto that I sleep with at night. It was because he was running against Hillary
Clinton. And it was a populist movement that was running against a very bad establishment
Democrat, a very unpopular establishment Democrat. So there were a lot of anti-Hillary votes in the
primaries, probably, maybe even a 50-50 split between the pro-Bernie vote and the anti-Hillary
Clinton vote. So that was number one. Number two, another thing that I always brought up,
another thing that I always brought up was the fact that resistance liberalism in 2016
treated Trump as an aberration and sought reasons as to why this aberration could ever
win in the Republican Party. So that's why they would always say stuff like, oh, well,
you know, MAGA is something different than the Republican Party. We need a strong Republican
Party. We got to get back to business as usual with the Republican Party. And I always said,
that's fucking bullshit. But that was the hashtag, pink pussy hat wearing resistance,
liberalism from 2016 that took a lot of the animus from the base and actually fed it to
something that they considered was productive. And the Democrats broadly opposed Trumpism.
And therefore, they could lead the anti-Trump forces, whichever direction they saw fit.
it. And for them, it was a continuation. It was a continuation of the neoliberal policies
and a pivot to moderate positions over and over again, while simultaneously really beefing
up the anti-Trump rhetoric. It was just simply rhetoric. It began and ended with anti-Trumpism
as rhetoric only. No resilient policies that would completely defeat the Republican Party.
A false notion that Trumpism did not represent a logical, maximalist conclusion of decades of
reactionary policies from the Republican Party. And no alternative vision for a better society.
No alternative vision for a positive trajectory for America. This was a real issue.
This is what we have been trying to implement now by force for the last decade.
And that's why I always give credit to James Carville,
because we would not be here if James Carville and all of these other centrist consultants
actively urged prominent Democrats to just show their belly. James Carville's
New York Times opinion editorial lives in my mind permanently.
You know the one I'm talking about where James Carvel says, make them feel the pain of existing
under Trump and remind them why harm reduction works, cuz that was, I'm paraphrasing, you
didn't say that, right?
He didn't, he wasn't that bold, but that was basically the argument.
He said, show your belly, play dead.
Those were the real words that James Carvel used.
He said, show your belly and play dead.
If he hadn't done that, and if Democrats were wise enough to lean into the anti-Trump liberalism
once again like they did in 2016, the DSA would not have been able to present themselves
as the alternative that actually fights against Trumpism, that fights against the
values represented by the Republican Party.
up because we've always been there, but liberals have the power of co-optation, right? They always
co-opt and neuter real oftentimes decentralized movements that are making demands, making
demands to change. They recuperate, they co-opt, and they neuter, always. But this time they
didn't do that. And that's why we were able to present the true alternative, which many
people were invested in.
It can sound old hat to political junkies, but if you're lip-seeking for an explanation
for Trumpism and don't want to settle with the dispiriting everything about our culture
and values, discuss middle America theory that the Bernie narrative is the only new
show in town right now.
And he was right.
That analysis was right.
we've seen they clipped you hard you never said Abdul is a socialist or moderate
voters some of the more conservative voters and actually pulls off a
tremendous victory against Mike Rogers okay that would prove that a socialist
can win in a fucking swing step
Why do you traffic in lies all the time they've been clipping you hard and randoms be posting
it online bro like many other fox news talking points is wild yeah no that's
that's precisely what it is
I think it's very important that you know that, and I'm sure that you can get a lot
three Michigan proves that socialism can win all around the country and is not as scary
as Republicans and right wing Democrats presented as by that guy, I meant you talking about your
Uh, did you misspeak?
No, I didn't.
Abdul is a left populist Bernie Cratt.
It's true.
He is a left populist Bernie Cratt.
He is not a socialist at all.
He's never said he's a socialist, and the policies that he's promoting are not exactly
socialist policies.
They're just basic, so moderate, social democratic provisions that are necessary in this
country.
But Abdul's victory is a left populace means that we can go beyond.
And it's ironic because I'm fairly certain that I actually bring up that Abdul is not
a socialist right before this 15 second clip.
I don't know if you guys have the full context.
But yeah, this kind of clip chimping is just never going to stop.
going to do it always. If this freezer holds ice cream, that means we can make ice. Yes.
Get fucked, Islamist dick writer says Nicholas Obama ate. This is what I mean when I say
these guys are primed. They have no argument against left populism. So the only thing they can say is,
is, oh, you're an Islamist, you're an Islamist, you're a jihadist, you want to destroy America.
To that we always say the same thing. If I wanted to destroy America, if I hated America,
I'm rich enough I could be a fucking Republican. Okay? That's what I would do. I'm telling you,
There is no force as destructive to American democracy, to the lives and livelihood of Americans as the Republican Party.
Okay? They hate you. They hate everything you stand for. They do not care about you at all if you're a working class stiff.
If you're the regular, if you're a regular American, if you're an ordinary American,
live in day and day out, they despise you.
And they dupe you and dilute you in the thinking that they are a towering force against these
scary Muslims that are destroying the country, and you fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
You really think people that want to give you health care unconditionally hate your
guts. You really think people that want to fight to make sure that you have a better future,
to fight to make sure that you have shelter over your head, a warm meal, and an opportunity to
take care of your family, a family that you will be able to create because you will have
more free time as well. On a single salary, those are the guys who hate you. Your brain
has been poisoned by this kind of propaganda. It's that simple. Now of course you might be
one of the Euro-Magaloids who comes in here to LARP as though they are Americans, who comes in
here to LARP as though you are a MAGA Trump supporter living in the American heartland.
And there are many such cases, which makes it even funnier because you're already benefiting
from a lot of these social democratic provisions in your country that were long fought for by
socialists and communists that you now despise.
So enjoy your healthcare while it lasts, I guess, if that's the case.
The worst thing really is to do with the state-sponsored healthcare in Europe, larping as an anti-communist
McCarthyite soldier for the cause? Yeah. Yeah, it's fucking nasty business, dude. It's
nasty business. What is this? This is the energy I expect from liberals. Yeah, I saw
Olivia Giuliana, some of the most important lessons in growth. I've had to come from
busting my ass for candidates who lost. I think getting people involved in organizing
primaries is healthy for democracy and good for elections. More people should understand
the work it takes to win or lose a campaign. I wish more people on the left welcome bringing
people into the process to learn instead of resenting their involvement because they
disagree with them. 125,000 calls is no joke. Win or lose, those people who made those
calls participated more in the process than a lot of people laughing at them for
supporting a candidate at loss. Good for them. Everyone has to start somewhere.
Look at that.
Hey, when she's right, she's right.
I'll take it.
Nice of her.
I have the clip and an op-dual Chuck Schumer says Democrats don't necessarily need to win
Michigan to flip control of the U.S. Senate and path to winning back the Senate clearly
goes to Michigan, but we have a whole bunch of different Barack Obama man. We need Barack
Obama.
We're, we're the, the, the, and the James, Talarico with the rest of the party refusing
to back up the law since 138, you're not going to see instead of allowing that victory,
the establishment is basically saying, you don't have to really push for up the
So it's fine signaling that they're not going to lean into that and instead dump all this
investment into James Tallarico, which is a far riskier race.
If we go into 2028 or not 2028, but if we go into the midterm season with the rest
of the party, refusing to back up Delos I had and, and setting up a deal. This is a different
clip. Isn't it? No, it's not. It's the same clip. They just, uh, took 15 seconds out of
it, uh, zoomed in on my face, additional hurdles in front of him because they don't want
him to win and then put so much money and so much effort in the direction of James
Tallarico and then the Texas Freaks end up voting for Ken Paxton and he wins by an ass hair
I am going to lose my mind
You might not be surprised to know that the Schumer article mentions you and
These people they are fucking demonic. I swear to God I
Had a little bit of confidence initially
I had a little bit of confidence that they were gonna do a full push behind Abdul
I am definitely worried not like Abdul al-Sahed is a socialist either that's what literally
literally dude oh my god what's so crazy about it he's not a socialist he's a capitalist
and they still won't back them.
I'm the law side is a socialist either.
That's what's so crazy.
I mean, they're going to, they're going to literally clip it like this.
I'm the law side is a social.
They're going to be like, see, we got him.
We got him.
That is a socialist.
I lost that is a social we got him not like I'll do us that.
Nope.
Sorry.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
That is a socialist.
Got him.
We got him.
He said I'll do also add as a socialist.
I said it again!
Ladies and gentlemen, we got them!
They will clip this too, what is this?
Because they cannot allow a Medicare for all anti-Zionist candidate to win.
I don't know what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna lose my...
You're just doing their jobs.
every, every single clip that these guys present.
I
The fact that they have to edit your shit it is shit to attempt to get you should make them feel like some foul motherfuckers
I mean it doesn't even matter
It literally does not matter. It's just like
Like we can't even do out of context clips as a joke anymore. It's just it's it's crazy that the in this
In this media landscape of this media environment that we live in right?
They will always chop it up
They will always chop anything I say up. So when people say Hassan, why aren't you more careful about what you say?
I can literally say it's not like Abdul al said is a socialist and they'll clip the part where I say
Abdul al said is a socialist and go there you have it
Every news clip, every news clip is like that Simpsons meta.
So you need a giant clock behind you. That doesn't matter, dude. What are you talking about?
It's motivated reasoning. It's motivated reasoning. Okay.
Burn clipping off. You think they can't clip it regardless?
Oh
It's not going to work
We had a running one of the most famous instance of this was we had a running clock on
on the Zoran victory party and they still chopped it up and
It went viral on LSF and there are there were a ton of people who were like a song got kicked out
From the Zoran election victory bar, I was there for like three fucking hours getting interviewed by virtually every single media outlet on the planet
would you rather be gay or a gamer? would you rather be gay or a gamer? would you rather be gay or a gamer?
um I'm already a gamer would you rather be gay or a gamer would you rather be
gay or a gamer gay would you rather be gay or a gamer gay is that what you said
Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, gay
No, I'm a people hate this shit as soon as they see the full context one time
They understand what the clippers are doing stop believing any of it obviously not the sex best cult is yeah
That's basically that's basically the fuck a meta, you know
Yeah, would you rather be trans or a transformer? Would you rather eat cock or a cockroach?
You know, there's many different ways of doing this
But that is literally what the fucking meta is it's so strange dude it is so
It's just it's a it's a byproduct of how stupid our
Our population is becoming
Like this is indicative of the anti-intellectual slant that has run amuck in American society
broadly. It's indicative of the fact that it's indicative of the reality that we do not care
about context anymore. We have no intellectual curiosity. It's very frustrating. But yeah,
gave waggle said something similar going back to the angie nixon race
uh... the waggle said something similar did vinnman's loss close the book on
resistance one point oh sure why not george conway algreen
banglerman tom steyer
lost the den's losing this year after they remind voters that they fought to
impeach trump and voters cringe at the memory in the first trump term a lot of
democrats had watergate brain a high-class version of the true crime
podcast brain
it was so obvious that this fluke president would go down like nixon
and no other president foreshadowing went down.
A popular idea among liberals was that conservatives who didn't trust Trump actually wanted Pence
as president anyway.
So when the scandals pile up, the real GOP would reassert itself and dump Trump.
And there were a lot of never Trump Republicans, anti-Trump Republicans that were lifelong
Republican operatives that won big in Resistance 1.0, Resistance Liberalism. This is how the
bulwark got invented, right? As a media outlet, this is how you got, what was it, the Lincoln
Institute? I can't even remember its name now. Oh my God. Like, there were a lot of
prominent voices that got the Lincoln project. There were a lot of prominent voices that got
elevated by liberals. One of them was JD Vance. One of them was JD Vance. Remember the Hillbilly
Elegy? Liberals made JD Vance's career. They gave him tremendous amounts of earned media.
They loved him. JD Vance was running around talking about how Donald Trump is Adolf Hitler.
What is this what you're saying is it's all all downhill from the street no hey
you're doing that thing again where you take everything I see out of context
you were trying to make it look like I think cool feel sucks no don't record
that all Fred Jones had to say was I think cool feel sucks in light of the
city's recent
anyway
uh... a popular idea among liberals of those conservations and trust Trump
actually want to pass the president anyway
this sounds crazy if you weren't there at the time and only know trump is a
figure so trusted by republicans that a signature to show up in an epstein
birthday book and the speaker will say well maybe that's not a signature
But it was a very savvy take in 2017.
Lots of rumor mongering about the walls are closing in
and how the Mueller investigation would undo Trump.
Spielberg dusted off a Watergate script and made the post
because of the urgency of the Trump moment.
Boomer corn syrup candy sitting in the theater
and think about how inevitably the good guys,
you will triumph and Trump will have to quit.
Vynman was creating a central figure.
Vynman was a central figure in the first Trump
impeachment, which made him, like his brother, a fundraising machine.
Voters had moved on.
Nixon wasn't especially fit candidate to beat him.
She got to Tallahassee as Trump was leaving office and was there protesting and losing
as DeSantis dismantled the Democratic Party power and won the culture wars.
Impeachment not only didn't stop Trump, the conservative movement was more powerful
than Trump.
There's no clear post-Trump Democratic strategy to regain what they've lost since
2016, but they know that they lost and that there's no magic how dare you sir button that will remove him
Healthy in my opinion says Dave Weigel and I agree
Channel 4 not sure if it's on the docket a Sompiker a socialist Trump could reverse America's decline
Yeah
That's the real truque. It's gonna take some time for liberals to finally come to terms with their reality
But that's been something that I've been saying for a minute now
That is the real truque
Our institutions are destroyed
We must take advantage of the moment and rebuild them but rebuild them in a socialist manner
But yeah, getting back to Angie Nixson.
The hard working everyday people of Florida send a shot blade to the Washington.
The president posting overnight.
Sleazebag Vindman loses to a radical left lunatic.
How cool is that?
Nixson had said she recently joined the Democratic Socialists of America.
It is not about labels.
It's about the most basic rights
that people here in the state need.
Now she faces an uphill battle
against the Republican nominee, Ashley Moody,
a state that hasn't sent a Democrat to the Senate
in 14 years.
My sister who is with us tonight
says sometimes you have to fight like crazy
to fight crazy.
Oh, she's got no Riz, bro.
She got no Riz.
And we are staring down crazy
and the socialists today.
Progressives and moderates have been battling
throughout this primary
as the Democratic Party tries to find its identity.
Why didn't you campaign with Nixon?
Did her team just not ask?
No, I was gonna go to the Trump-Dolligarchy rally.
I just didn't have time to do it.
And I mean, it wouldn't have made an impact
one way or another in that close to the actual race
regardless.
But, um, yeah, she didn't, she didn't need me anyway. It's great.
Yeah, the Floridian Haley Stevens, this lady, Ashley Moody,
back power from Republicans in Washington, also in Florida, a closely
watched race for governor with Congressman Byron Donald's back by
President Trump, securing the Republican nomination as he looks to
succeed Ron DeSantis. Are you with me to keep Florida red?
Donalds will face the Democratic nominee, former Congressman David Jolley, a one-time
Republican termed prominent Trump critic.
When we win the Florida governorship, guess what?
We do just that.
We reshape American politics.
And another closely watched Senate race taking shape in a lot of...
Yeah.
I didn't like that Jolley immediately came out and was like, I hate the DSA.
I love America and the DSA sucks.
Like the night of his like victory party.
But it does seem like he likes.
I talked to some some Florida folks, um, it does seem like Jolly really likes Nixon and
will defend Nixon. You have to have these statewide races, uh, you know, uh, coalesce
around one another. Yeah, I reject socialism. Former Republican. I mean, that's expected.
Is this a state, Florida, that can elect you as governor but also elect progressive Angie
Nixon for the U.S. Senate at the same time?
Well, we're going to find out.
We're going to find out.
Look, I reject the DSA.
I reject socialism.
I'm a capitalist and I think capitalism provides the greatest amount of economic mobility.
I have been with Angie on the trail and I'll tell you this, she's a fighter.
She leaves it all on the field.
She goes in every room talking about what I talk about.
And we improve your access to housing, affordable housing, to healthcare.
Do you know where to educate your kids?
What is it that government can do where the private sector is unable to improve your life?
Angie's out there fighting for those same values.
I think she and I have a very different approach to this.
But look, I reject socialism.
I'm a capitalist.
We'll see how Florida's voters sort that out in November.
Is DSA the new Hamas?
Yes.
Yes.
Jason. Oh God, dude, dude. Guys.
We're, we're, look.
Look, please stop linking me other candidates that you want me to go and show support to
for the current duration, okay?
We're tapped out.
Much luck to everyone that's running in their races, okay?
moving on to the general. I really, really got to stop. Like one of the one of the frustrating
elements here is that there are a lot of people who unironically have shifted the broad focus
of this community and you know it's it's partially my fault too but shifted the
broad focus of this community entirely around elections okay well the media's
efforts worked in suppressing you know no no we got we got so much other shit
to cover man we got a lot going on in the world
It's not just, it's not just about winning primaries and winning elections in general.
We got so much other shit going on.
Anyway.
USA is not advocating for real socialism on their website.
I don't understand why they're gonna call themselves social Democrats. You're right, brother. Hell yeah.
Yeah, you see the problem with the Democratic Socialists of America is that they're actually not
radical enough from the perspective of the average American. That's what their problem is. I'm always
saying that. I'm always thinking like, you know, why aren't they doing a real
you know, Marxist-Leninist movement, why aren't they, why aren't they just like dropping
this whole election game and moving into real siege communism? That's what I'm always thinking.
I just wish that people would go out in the real world. I wish that people would go
out in the real world and like explore what the average American's attitude about this
sort of thing is, and recognize that it takes a long time to even foment class consciousness
amongst the broadest base of the American masses.
I wish, I wish people would just like, maybe instead of writing in here, instead of writing
on Twitter, they would just go out in the real world and encounter normal Americans
for once, try to understand what normal Americans think, what real Americans, regular Americans
think about this sort of thing. Okay. And then maybe, maybe their perspective would just
change a little bit on the stuff. Yeah, DSA is just DNC law. No, I know, I know, that's
the real problem. The problem is all their candidates go to the Democratic Party. You're
right. You're right. The the most robust and most active socialist movement in the country
right now is wrong. You and your buddies are right. I know. You're right. Let me tell you
how they should do this thing.
Alaska Republican incumbent Dan Sullivan on defense looking to
secure a third term as Democrats aim to flip that critical
Senate seat running former congresswoman Mary Peltola.
Like if I had any if I had any real
power over the masses anytime someone comes in here and says
that exact thing.
Oftentimes, it's trots that say stuff like that. I would magically force them to salt
a factory floor. I would just banish them. I would banish them to go work
in any factory floor and force them to congregate amongst the regular industrial workers in this
country to develop a deeper appreciation of where most people are at. Okay?
And it's not because backbreaking labor is going to, you know, cause them to truly understand,
it's just because I would want them to legitimately socialize and legitimately understand where like
the average American is on these sorts of issues. Because I think it would very quickly help you
come to terms with the reality that most American rank-and-filers inside of, you know,
labor unions and things like that do not see the world in the same way that you do.
It is important for us to develop a better understanding of where they're at
so that, you know, we can message you a little bit better.
I'm
Sullivan and Peltola qualifying for the general election which will include the top four vote getters
One of whom could be another candidate named Dan Sullivan a retired teacher who could earn a place on the november ballot
warehouse worker here some of my coworkers think ghosts are real
exactly and many americans also think Jesus christ is gonna come back to earth
like legitimately like there are a fuck ton of americans
who sincerely believe that jesus christ is gonna come back to earth
okay and that the rapture is gonna happen like there's a lot of stuff like
that there are a lot of people who believe in a lot of crazy things
you know
There are a lot of Americans who still think Israel is actually doing a great job and is
a very reliable and very valuable ally.
People believe in crazy shit.
Many Americans legitimately believe that one day they too will hold a crumb of power
And they will hold some capital on the side that this entire process is going to work out in the long run that they are merely temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
Entrepreneurs, Sigma grind set guys that dump boatloads of money into discord servers that that you know, quote unquote, educate them on how the next big thing is right there.
All they need to do is dive in and seize it
You don't have to do any of these cancers a simple endorsement of all people want which will boost their profile exponentially
You've done it with other winning cans like may Wong and and and Lilliam aya and Frederick handsome
Why suddenly stop now master using new hamster desperately need new leadership. They literally can't get it down without you and us
Yeah, I mean I sure
Yeah, of course
The guy that's running against
Aukensloss great love it
Exciting I just if you if the expectation is I fly out there and do rallies of like that
I don't think I have the capabilities to do so same with the dude in the the person in New Hampshire
right
Keith Howard in New Hampshire
The other DSA candidate that has a major volunteer force in Cambridge.
The what? The Massachusetts Day person in Massachusetts is not DSA back?
Sure, they're great.
They're great. I'm in favor.
and that's not the only
surprising result last night
in Florida and battled
Republican incumbent Cory
Mills lost his primary to
former TV news anchor Ryan
Elijah in a house race based
in the Orlando area. Democrats
had targeted that seat as a
potential pickup based partly on
the scandal surrounding Mills.
Savannah. All right, Ryan.
Thank you very much. Hey,
thank you for joining us
Thank you very much.
Hey, thanks for watching.
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We're gonna begin this hour with a big political upset
in the state of Florida, drawing new attention
to the Democratic Party's left wing.
State Legislator Angie Nixon,
a Democratic Socialist, won her Senate primary
in a state that has shifted deeply Republican
in recent years.
She defeated Alex Vindman,
a former national security official
and well-known Trump critic.
Her victory follows gains for democratic socialists
in other states.
And Angie Nixon joins us now from Jacksonville.
Good morning, good to see you.
Yeah, I don't like these kinds of takes.
This is like the election Twitter nightmare take, okay?
Everyone is saying, oh, dumping any money
into Florida is a lose-lose.
And that, you know, oh, well, thank God,
Angie Nixon won because now none of these
Resist lives will give that money and, and, you know, light it on fire and it'll stop
the National Democratic Party from spending, you know, $150 million to lose by 20 points
to the Republican.
I just, I don't like this kind of attitude in general because I think it's self-defeating.
We have a very unique candidate in Florida, in Angie Nixon, a real fighter, okay?
I think pushing for Angie Nixon and trying to consolidate support around Angie Nixon and
pushing for her candidates should be the move here.
Pushing for her candidacy should be the move here.
If we are socialists, if we are people who care about improving the material conditions
of the working class, Angie Nixon is a wonderful left populace, very progressive candidate.
It's an opportunity for us to push.
Yeah, it's a D plus 12 environment.
We have no idea where we can win.
We've had Republicans for neutral years in the last three elections.
Yeah.
I'm in a boomer-lib walking around Pargan, Seattle, and he was talking about the anti-semi
friend of Michigan Dem, then a candidate, Abdul Al-Said, you got to get on MSDNC to
defend yourself.
Yeah, that's why they won't have me on chatter.
It's not so simple.
It's the reason why they won't have me on is for that reason, is they know if I
go on MS now, I'm going to make a convincing case for our movement, and they don't
want that.
are going to very quickly recognize that no, I'm not this fucking scary, dangerous, radical
guy. That's the reason why they don't want to fucking have me on. What do you think?
I like, I've already told you this, I've already told you this, I have been blacklisted from
MS now and blacklisted from CNN. They will talk about me every night. They will have
guests on to talk about me. Sometimes some of those guests might even sneak in a defense
or two. But ultimately, but ultimately, they will never have me on directly because they
don't want me to make a convincing argument. They don't want me to to go up there and
be like I'm not this crazy guy that you're talking about me as.
I remember seeing the Odyssey a couple weeks back and the dude next to me was mad at Ezra
Klein for defending you and kept ranting about you do his date about how much you
love China and the date didn't know what to say so we kept going oh okay wait what.
no shot. Won't talk about DSA member, Medicare for all, Prop house on Canada, Jason Polo.
No, no, this is what I'm talking about. I said it great. You know, I endorse them.
I think it's wonderful. I think it's awesome. You know, good luck to this person. Good
Good luck to this, good luck to this primary race, okay?
But yeah, I think this is a self-defeating attitude and I don't really like it.
I think people really, really want to come across as like super smart about elections.
I'm not going to lie to you and say that Angie Nixon has a has a real,
like super easy run. Okay. It's tough.
It's an unbelievably tough battle. Look,
I'm super confident about Abdul. I'll say it in Michigan for a reason.
I'm not as confident about Angie Nixon, but there's,
but the reason why I'm not as confident is because Florida,
it's a very, very Republican advantaged state.
And it has become increasingly more red in the last decade or so.
Angie Nixon is the perfect candidate to turn this around.
Having said that, it will require a tremendous amount of lift.
So my attitude on this run is look, if the media won't save you, which they won't, but the media will be neutral.
Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
If the establishment forces won't come and offer a lifeline to Nixon, and will basically drop her like a hot potato because they think it's a lost cause, I will be there. Okay?
Okay. The problem is many of our national progressives, even if it is the sole Democrat, will shy away.
Will shy away from endorsing even Angie Nixon, but I hope that won't be the case.
We're in a plus 12 environment and she's down eight.
Yeah, it's moved up to plus 12.
It was plus eight before.
Now it's moved up to plus 12.
Yes.
In the Senate, she is down eight points.
Ashley Moody has the incumbent advantage,
but it also shows that she's Ashley Moody is not tested.
Remember, I think this poll was conducted not by,
I mean, I know this poll wasn't conducted by Angie Nixon's team.
It was actually, I think conducted by maybe Vin Min,
if I'm not mistaken.
Ashley Moody is not very well known.
She was appointed by Ron DeSantis, Ron DeSantis.
She is beatable.
So she's untested.
Plus it was two months ago Moody is max name recognition while Angie was just an unknown state rep.
Please don't forget Jamie to whom you've spoken about before going up against the Biden and Harris back loser in his neck and neck
Yeah, Jamie Balsito in Massachusetts six
Jolly the guy who won the dem governor primary said last night he would not campaign with Nixon and make sure to tell the interviewer
He rejects DSA socialism. No, you got duped
by a bad clip
From what I understand
Jolly the former Republican who won the Democratic governor primary actually said he really likes
Angie Nixon as a fighter he sidestepped the issue of socialism
He said he doesn't like socialism whatever but that Angie Nixon is a wonderful candidate and a real fighter for Florida
So you're wrong about that we'll see how that goes though
We'll see how that goes.
Now, let's listen to Angie Nixon herself.
Good morning, bud. How are you?
I'm doing well. Thanks so much for joining us and congratulations on the win.
I want to jump right into it. You were outspent by...
See, as soon as I fucking bring up one candidate, everyone literally starts...
I hate this, bro. I hate this so much.
Guys, stop spamming candidates, okay? Stop. This is why I was saying like I can't even get through
my coverage about this ginormous upset victory for a progressive senator, okay? Who just won,
who just won on the backs of every major Democratic Black leader in the state.
And I can't even do proper analysis because every single person in the chat is like no look at my candidate
Look at this candidate. Look at this candidate. Look at that candidate. It's very fucking annoying
Stop
Please
Please I beg of you
Please more than 20 times and prediction markets, which I thought was really interesting prediction markets. Had you had your opponent
a 90% chance of defeating you. Now you are the nominee and registered Republicans. They outnumber Democrats by one and a half million in Florida.
just want to go through a couple of issues that you've been campaigning on.
You want Medicare for all and free universal child care and pre-K.
How are you suggesting taxpayers pay for that?
Yeah for sure. So thank you for that question. I have been traveling all across the state of
Florida having conversations with folks and what is evident is that everyone wants the same
things right to be healthy, prosperous and safe and a lot of folks across this party lines
as it relates to universal child care and Medicare for All.
And how do we pay for that?
Actually, Medicare for All,
we're already spending the amount
we would be paying for Medicare for All right now,
even while folks are still paying for co-pays
and deductibles and coinsurance.
And when it comes to universal childcare,
I think it's important to note
that for every $1 we send,
that puts $3 back into-
How would you pay for that?
Economy, yeah, and so how I
would pay for that, right?
I would repeal that big BS bill
because that's what it was.
It wasn't beautiful and I would
make sure that these big time
billionaires and ultra wealthy
millionaires pay what they owe.
So that's another issue that you
called for. You want a billionaire
tax, you want a national rent
freeze. Which of these policies
you prepared to tell moderate
be intrigued by this, that this should become federal law. And again, how do you convince
them that the cost will be worth it?
I mean, we have conversations with them, and it's been resonating. I want to be clear.
There are Republicans and independents that cross party lines to vote for me in the primary
because they're fed up with what's happening in Washington, DC. They realize that it's
broken and that people like unelected Ashley Moody and Donald Trump are working less
and less and less and you know, getting richer.
No, I look at how aggressive he is, by the way, how you would pay for it.
Let me ask you about something else.
Look at how fucking aggressive this line of questioning is, bro.
Dog.
ZBS is out of control, brother.
Did actually Moody and Donald Trump are working less.
Yo, have you seen any anchor in liberal media treat a regular
Republican with this level of enmity?
with this level of animosity.
Do we ever hear from any of the major media outlets?
They're talking to her like she's the head of Hamas or something.
Wow, unfuckin believable dude.
I'm sure being a black woman has nothing to do with it.
If she was an establishment neoliberal, they would not be treating her like this.
Yes. In other outlets, like if it was Fox News, I would say you're right. And yes, black
women are consistently, consistently undermined. But this also has a lot to do with the fact
that she is. This is a lot to do. What was that? You okay? Um, that she is not only a
black woman, but also progressive.
That's our list.
Have you logged in, Richard?
No, I understand that, but you really haven't articulated how you would pay for it.
Let me ask you about something else here.
Uh, you have faced some criticism like other democratic socialists.
You're advocating for ending unconditional aid to the state of Israel.
Florida has the third largest Jewish population in the country.
What would you say to those voters who are perhaps worried about your position given that we've seen enormous spike in anti-Semitism in this country?
For sure. I'll let them know that I have continued to fight for the safety and well-being of all Floridians, despite their religion or whatever their ideology is.
and I'm going to continue to advocate as such.
And so back to your previous question,
I did articulate how I would pay for it.
I told you that I would make sure
that we made these billionaires and ultra wealthy millionaires
pay their fair share, but a budget is a more.
A question to present this insane anchor
is what the fuck does defending
Israel's unlimited demands for American tax dollars have to do with America and
American Jews. Like the the the hidden premise there is oh well anti-Semitism
is skyrocketing don't you think that Israel needs more billions of dollars?
What the fuck are you talking about?
It's also crazy because it then goes on to be like, how are you going to pay for Medicare
for all?
Okay, you know which country has Medicare for all?
Israel.
Israel gets to pay for it somehow.
I think we can too.
document. It lets us know what our values are. And right now, we can see that they care more
about spending a billion dollars on a ballroom that many of us will never get to dance.
Okay. I just want to get again, your position on funding and providing material and support
to the state of Israel. For example, do you believe that Hamash should be completely disarmed
and removed from governing Gaza? Yes, I do. You do. And what do you say then to those
voters in the state of Florida who say to you that they're worried about the fact that
that the United States would not support a key ally in the Middle East.
What I would say is the same thing I would say about every ally.
We need to make sure that we are scrutinizing all military aid or all aid to them to ensure
that they are doing right by their citizens or their neighboring countries.
The socialist message seems to be resonating right now.
Good to see you, Angie Nixon, and congratulations too.
It seems to be resonating right now in the primary.
you think that it will resonate in the general,
in the, when it comes to the general election.
Many people are very frightened of the positions,
defund the police, abolishing ICE.
How do you think that's gonna work
when it comes to the general election?
For sure.
So it's not necessarily a socialist message
or a progressive message.
It's not about labels.
It's actually just about the needs of people.
And people want the same things as I stated earlier
to be healthy, prosperous and safe.
And they want to make sure that people
looking out for these rights that they deserve which are health care, which are housing, which are.
For the record, that is a socialist message, but I don't expect every candidate, especially ones
that are running statewide office, especially ones that are not like
like DSA cadre candidates to carry on that message.
Oding writes and is actually resonating
in their support of them.
Have you heard from anyone in the democratic leadership
since your win?
So we've had folks that have reached out to call us
and we are gonna be returning phone calls all this week.
You've campaigned with Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib,
Mr. Piker, do you want to see them
on the campaign trail with you as well?
So I have not campaigned with Mr. Piker.
Not sure where that information came from.
I have campaigned with Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib.
And so she is someone who wants the same things
that I want to make sure that government
is working for people and not against it.
And so I'll continue to do the same thing,
but I have not campaigned with Mr. Piker at all.
Why are you on screen?
Because they got the balls they got the marching orders
Notice how gale instead of correcting the misinformation
Then moves into well will you shit on a son piker please for us so we can get another fucking sound bite and it's so dumb
Why doesn't CBS like you very confusing?
I wonder why the media outlet that was purchased by The Ellicens, who put Barry Weiss as the
editor-in-chief, has a particular distaste for me.
You know, the outlet that was purged by the Ellicens
with the express purpose of making it more pro-Israel
and more pro-Maga.
Wonder where that's coming from.
That's where they think from.
All right, my apologies.
I thought that you had my apologies about that.
Would you want him to campaign with you?
I don't really know who Mr. Piker is.
I've heard about him.
And so I don't know who he is.
I said I don't really know who he is personally
or anything like that.
I am actually focused on Florida and making sure
that I'm talking to voters here
to uplift their needs and their concerns.
And so that's what my focus is gonna be
over the next 76 days.
How do you think you pulled this off,
energy Nixon, you know,
the money you were outspent by the money
that your opponent seemed to have more appeal
allegedly when this campaign first started,
the poll numbers were not your favorite in the beginning.
How do you think you pulled it off?
I know you said people wanna change.
I hear you, but what do you think happened?
Yeah, for sure.
So here's some background information for you guys.
From my personal involvement on campaigns of candidates
that are let's just say played a pivotal role
role in getting a Senate majority, candidates who I did not publicly involve myself with,
but worked on background.
Let's just say there were some campaigns that wanted to set up, get out the vote initiatives,
But we're too scared, and this was many years ago, this was before the Hassan wave, the
Anti-Hassan wave, they were worried about not just my involvement, but even the involvement
of the likes of AOC.
Now of course, the attitude has changed dramatically now because AOC is a national
figure, a beloved figure, especially amongst the base. But you see pieces of this so irrelevant
conjecture. No, this is not a relevant conjecture. The point I'm trying to make is that different
races with a different base of support will sometimes lean into or shy away from nationally
relevant progressive figures, even if they themselves are progressive.
One immediate example I can show you is the fact that while Abdul Al Sayed of course welcomes
the AOC and Bernie Sanders endorsements in the primary, he literally took, his campaign
literally took the same ad that they ran in the primary and chopped AOC and Bernie
Sanders out of it to reach a broader base of support because not everyone is a fan,
right?
that these are toxic figures or anything, it's just sometimes important to target different
bases of support with the same ad campaign that, you know, is specifically tailored around
on Abdelosa Ed or in this circumstance, Angie Nixon.
Do you understand?
I worked hard, but I also,
I was a former single mom for 12 years.
So I know how to make a dollar stretch and I want to be clear.
We knew we were going to win.
I am a former union organizer and I'm a current community organizer and we work hard and we
go and speak to everyone.
And that's what the difference was between me and Mr. Linman.
And that's going to be the difference between me and Ashley Moody because she doesn't like
to show up to speak to itch lines.
Representative really quickly before you go, you're a Democratic socialist running in
the statewide race with a large population of people who have fled governments that
call themselves socialists. How do you convince those voters when they hear socialists that
they may see that as disqualifying? Yeah, for sure. So I want to be clear. I just recently became
a member of the Democratic Socialists. I've also just recently become a member of the Working
Families Party. And I let people know that nothing's changed about me. I am someone who's
going to stand up for them. She's so awesome. I love her so much. Oh, my Lord. She's so
fucking good. Oh my God. Oh my God. Having her in the Senate would be so, hmm, would
be so insane. Having her in the Senate would be so incredible. This is look, this is a
much tougher race than Abdul's. Oh, I just, I don't know. The
will say this much. Did I misunderstand that that she wants
to send Israel weapons? Yes, you did. She did not say that at
all. She said the exact opposite, which is part of the reason
my ZBS is so unbelievably antagonistic towards her.
You literally took what she said and just heard the exact opposite of what she said.
Dude, Eric thinks it may be linked to VRA.
Another data point for black voters in the south are pissed to sell about the death
of the uh yeah voting rights act black voters seem to show out for nixon yep 100 percent
this is actually a very good take also why is the dc bureau chief of the independent
quote retweeting socialist adry what the fuck is going on man
This is another testament to how unbelievably online every goddamn journalist is
She in fact yeah, I know I know she did say this I know this this video is very powerful
Interest Florida State Rep Angie Nixon begs for a ceasefire and asks how many dead palsies will be enough
Republican Michelle Salzman shouts out all of them
I also, yeah, she says all of them, Michelle Salsman, Representative Salsman says all of
them.
I also, one of my colleagues just said all of them.
Wow.
One of my colleagues said all of them.
One of my colleagues also stated that this is going to dry up their fundraising if
we vote on this resolution.
I also want that, like that's what we've become in this state.
That's what we've become in this state where we don't care about innocent
babies that don't even get the opportunity to blow out their first birthday candle.
We are at 10,000 days.
What's she up to now?
What's she up to now?
Dog, she just won the Democratic primary for Senate last night in an unfathomable, blowout victory against all odds.
Oh, you mean Saltzman?
Oh, I don't know. I don't know what the fuck.
Yeah, she owns a band bookstore, a band books bookstore in Jacksonville.
Remember that bookstore that we went to in, in, in Detroit when we were stumping for Donovan
McKinney?
She owns a bookstore not dissimilar to that cafe resistance bookstore.
Look at the the the insignias outside the bookstore, dude, dude.
This is why I get so fucking annoyed.
This is why I get so annoyed with the way that people talk about black folks in this
country.
Okay.
This is why I get so frustrated whenever people say like, oh, black people are so conservative.
Black people are this black people are that it's like, first of all, no, no group
is monolithic
but if you want to know the truth
black existence in a white supremacist country
always made black people far more radical than the average person
okay
like it's just so
it's so dumb
it's so fucking dumb the way people talk about black people in mainstream news
is so goddamn dumb. And you'll see she's a black woman. So they are going to undermine her so much.
They are going to come after her. They're going to say she's a radical. They're going to say she's
scary. They're going to say she's unintelligent. 100%. They will deploy every dog whistle they
can. The Republicans will deploy every dog whistle they can in her direction.
Black women are some of the most radical people in this country with their
politics and some of the most consistently undermined.
There's some of the best politicians.
Look at Summer Lee, Iona Presley.
Hopefully now Angie Nixon will, you know, be up there as well.
We in the DSA have some discussions about endorsing her here in South Florida because
of legitimate disagreements, but how can I convince my comrades that this is as important
if not more important than Oliver's race?
I don't know what Angie's calculation is from what I understand.
I think Miami DSA refused to endorse her because she wouldn't say she's a socialist or wouldn't
run as like a socialist.
I care more.
I'll be honest with you.
Like, if I was thinking about this as a, as an opportunity for DSA, you should be
fucking, you know, begging her to, to be associated and deploy as many of your resources
you can to get her elected because I don't think that the, um, the national democratic
party is going to, uh, do anything with this race.
I think they're going to, uh, leave this race behind.
So she is going to need all the help she can get, um, having said that, however, having
said that, um, Angie might not want it.
That's the other thing.
She might want the support, but she might not want the open endorsement because it's a very right-wing state.
I don't expect her. She joined the DSA on her own, which is wonderful, right? She joined the DSA on her own during her fucking candidacy, which is crazy.
What a goddamn gift for all of the Florida Socialist organizations.
What a goddamn gift. But she might not necessarily want that open acknowledgement or that endorsement
because it's a statewide campaign in a state that is, you know, in a seat that's like in
the past been plus 16, right, plus 16 Republican. So, yeah. But as I've said over and over again,
and this is a perfect example of it, there is no socialist movement in this country without
black socialism. How many times have I fucking said this? How many times have I said this
in this election cycle in particular. There is no socialism in this country without black socialism.
There's no socialism in this country without southern states also getting involved in this movement.
And the only way to get southern states to be involved in this movement is through black socialism.
So, just remember that.
This should be an opportunity for the DSA to make inroads with prominent black activists
in the state and black leadership in the state.
They should do everything in their power to organize in these communities.
Okay?
I've been saying this.
I said this with the Zoram victory.
If you remember, I've been saying this non-fucking stop.
I see the vision and Angie Nixon is phenomenal.
She's phenomenal and she is a gift.
is a gift for not only the Democratic Party, but she's a gift for all of us. A person who
on her own volition, on her own volition due to her own moral convictions decided to join
the Democratic Socialist of America while she was campaigning. They didn't even get the
endorsement from Miami DSA that she sought out.
And she's out here telling Gail, you know, yeah, I joined the DSA, nothing changed about
me.
I joined the working families party, nothing changed about me.
My convictions are my own.
I don't think you guys understand how insane of a gift this is, because she didn't have
to join the DSA at all.
She probably could have still won the primaries.
And she's not even aggressively posturing against the Democratic Socialists of America.
She's not even, Eric called your ass out.
The Sondheim's point, I am unbelievably online and I quoted Adri because I followed her and
she showed up on my feed right when I was seeing some stuff about Kaleis and the
death of the VRA.
It's true.
Eric called your ass out.
So, yeah, this is a Angie Nixon stan account.
Ladies and gentlemen, going forward, this is an Angie Nixon stan account.
Okay.
If Angie Nixon wants our help, we will be there for her.
If she wants it to be quiet on the background, I will do that whatever if she says I don't
know his son piker.
I don't want him anywhere near.
I will never touch the state of Florida.
I will never bring it up whatever she wants.
We are her loyal soldiers.
Okay.
That's it.
That's it.
Just a wink and a nod, you know, and I'm there.
She is FDR and we are farmers in the dust bowl.
Sure.
not the best example as we're talking about a black woman in the south. Perhaps FDR is
not the strongest analogy, but okay. Yeah, Chatterby like we're Dixie crats. No, we're
Dixon crats. But yeah, I don't think I don't think people understand how phenomenal this
is the reason why I say this, by the way, the reason why I say this is because it's twofold one.
I think from my experience, what I've seen so far is that establishment Democrats will test the
waters now because she's like, you know, very critical of Israel. So that's already a big problem
for them, right? Like they don't want their fucking ranks to be filled with people who are
anti-Israel. Are you kidding me? So there will be like a testing of the water's moment for her
behind closed doors I suspect I'm speculating this is we will we will speculation right
and part of that process will be like where are you at on certain issues are you malleable will
you play ball with the rest of us right and if they don't want to offer her aid she will need
She will probably need help from communities like ours to, you know, gain some media attention
for the campaign and for the policies in general.
So I'll be there no matter what.
To make sure that I listen to them and continue to fight for them and what their needs are.
All right.
Representative Angie Nixon, congratulations again on the win.
We'll be tracking you.
Thank you very much for appearing.
Thank you so much.
every day.
Ashley Moody and the corporate politicians in Washington,
they like to label us.
It's easy to try to make voters afraid of me
and to defend the choices they keep making
to make our lives harder.
They look at this movement and they call us extreme.
They call us waffled.
But I've seen people see through this.
I won't let them define me.
And I know you will always know what I'm saying.
Those four, they say representative Angie Nixon last night.
God damn it's so loud. Sorry.
After defeating the Kenny Colonel, Alex Vimlin by double digits to secure the
Democratic nomination. Yeah. By the way, by the way,
here's an important data point for Angie Nixon and her victory.
You know how everybody talks about like, uh,
everybody fucking talks about how like oh whoa dsa so why dsa so why well guess
what dude angi nixon showed what is possible okay last night angi nixon
showed what is possible if you if you combine the forces of black democrats
some of the more moderate voices some of the some of the voters that are
considered moderate voters, who voted for the not moderate candidate, right? Why did
they do that? Because Angie Nixon has delivered results in the state of Florida for them as
seen as a fighter and had the backing of virtually every prominent statewide black
leader. Okay? So it turns out the idea that like black voters are moderate is
fucking ridiculous. It turns out that they want fighters just like everybody else. Okay?
This is what I was talking about when I said this is like the makings of a real movement.
Okay? This is the makings of a real movement. You bring in some of the chuds who are curious
about left populism, low propensity voters and the like. And you bring in the aunties and the
unks. And it is an unstoppable force. A rainbow coalition, if you will. It's not like this is
a new meta, right? This is a very old meta, as a matter of fact.
Washington Post analysis finds Democratic Socialist Angie Nixon built an unusual
coalition in Florida's Democratic Senate primary, performer strongest in counties that were younger,
poorer, less college educated and had a larger black populations. Nixon won the least college
educated in the blackest counties by roughly 30 points, carried counties with median household
incomes below 65,000 points by 20 points, by $65,000 by 20 points and dominated areas with
the largest shares of young adults. The post says she activated a voter base that looks
It's very different from- Hello?
Dude, her tail is so large that when she wags it behind me,
my ears, like I can feel the weight of it.
Hello? What's happening?
What, you want some Chipotle?
Oh God, your ears smell so bad.
You're eating me, I know you.
Oh, no. Cutie pie. Give the dog Chipotle. Let Kai stream. No.
Kai has insight on Angie Nixon. Shut up.
But yeah,
if we can pull this off in Michigan, the opportunities are endless. The opportunities
are ours to seize the moment is ours to seize
from the US Senate in the state Nixon is the first
DSA candidate to win a major party nomination for statewide office
and she joins us now uh representative let me let me we gotta I just first
gotta ask you how did you win like what what happened that made
uh uh uh just earlier in the show uh that made somebody call this to
greatest subset in the history of democratic politics in the state of Florida.
Well, good morning. Thank you for having me on today. First of all, our team, we
knew we were going to win because we go out and talk to people and have
conversations with folks. Um, a community organizer, a former union
organizer, and I have been fighting for nearly two decades to address the
issues that Floridians have been facing.
Grop with a single mom saw a lot of domestic abuse, union organizer, community organizer,
owner of a black owned band bookstore, a band books bookstore.
She is so fucking awesome.
I don't know what my level of involvement in this campaign would look like or what kind
of like negative attention it would have brought about, but I do or maybe positive.
I think, I mean, she dominated on her own.
We are so lucky to have her.
We are so lucky to have her as a part of this coalition.
We are so lucky to have such a talented, bold, radical, not really radical, but
like a, um, a progressive candidate like that. Like I feel way more excited about her than
I did about Peggy Flanagan. I was pretty, pretty focused stoked on Flanagan too. Okay.
I was stoked on Flanagan. Obviously, uh, you know, I have a close association, a
close tie to the Abdul race in general, but she is probably one of the best.
Yeah. Angie Nixon result complicates a few narratives. It's a reminder that being a socials
or even a DSA member doesn't automatically net you the org's endorsement and that you
can win without it if you run a good campaign. Wasn't endorsed by AOC and Sanders yet won
by a solid margin while being way outspent won't end speculation about their intervention
could have made the difference but may also feed discourse about candidate quality. And
And of course, the idea that Socialist Electoral Project crashed in Burr last week because of
one very important race.
It helped that she was so well known in Florida before she even joined DSA, and probably also
that Bernie Ossie stayed out while her opponent was nationalizing the race.
He just didn't take her seriously in a way he would have if she had any kind of institutional
backing.
Yeah.
When we end up, when I end up joining the fray, for example, here's one of the problems.
The opposition, and it's the same for like Bernie Sanders or AOC, they nationalize races, right?
The problem with nationalizing races, and this is what happened with Oliver Larkin as well,
all of a sudden outside expenditures will just drop a money bomb out of fucking nowhere.
Now with the case like with the with the case of Abdul that was already going to happen so it's not a lost cause for him regardless
But in the case of Peggy Flanagan
That can be a problem
In the case of Angie Nixon that could have been a problem because Angie Nixon's opponent had fund raised
16 million dollars already
But he was waiting because he thought that he was going to easily defeat
He thought that he was going to easily defeat Angie Nixon, and therefore was holding that war chest for the general.
In some ways, what we call sleepy races can sometimes be what it looks like when candidates are running on policies, rather than on how much money they have.
they have. Do you understand? Simply put, it's a race not dissimilar to a race where there's
no money in politics, right? So we don't know what it would have looked like if
this race got nationalized and then her opponent dumped like $3 million of a
$16 million to win the race. Here in the state working to increase the
minimum wage to $15 an hour before I became a state lawmaker, working to
stop price gouging while I was a state lawmaker, also expanding access to
early childhood education for low income and our working people. And
those are the things that Floridians and Americans care about. They are
frankly just tired and fed up of these politicians, these corrupt
politicians like unelected Ashley Moody and Donald Trump who are in Washington working less but
getting richer. Meanwhile, folks like us, everyday people who are working harder than ever basically
have nothing to show. She was an outspent 16 and one. No.
I think she was outspent like 41 or 61. It was still a crazy number.
No. She was outraged 16 to 1. She couldn't even crack a million. She had 927k or something
in her campaign, fundraising, Vin Min, fundraise $16 million. Vin Min, I believe, spent around
like $5 million. I don't know how much she spent on ads. I think she had zero TV ads.
But yes, Vindman was not taking her seriously at all.
He was positioning for the general the entire time.
He thought that hashtag resistance liberalism from like 2016 and his work within the Trump
impeachment would carry him into an easy victory amongst the primary voters.
he did not realize was that black political power in the state, in the state of Florida,
is especially important right now.
It is especially important in this very moment because black political power is being eradicated
by the Republicans everywhere in the country.
So if there's an opportunity to get representational politics, a real fighter, a beloved fighter
in the state, of course black voters are going to go out and vote by Assad margins for her.
And that's precisely what happened.
If you look at her local endorsement list, it's crazy.
You look at her national endorsements, there's like six people on there.
You look at her local endorsement, it is virtually every black leader in every
district of the state of Florida. Every single one.
That's why she won and she deserves the win, of course. She was great, but let's be fucking
real. Yeah. If Jesse Jackson 88 happened 40 years later, he'd have locked it before
Super Tuesday 100%. Yeah. Rainbow coalition rainbow coalition by like a, like a Jesse
Jackson style figure would be unstoppable. Barnon, no question. It would destroy the general
too, but there would be no Democrat that ever makes it out of the primary. No Democrat.
before and that's been resonating people know I'm not a politician they know I'm
someone that's just like them and I'm a public servant that's gonna fight for
them let's let's talk about the things you believe in things you don't believe
in you said you weren't gonna allow people to define you so let's first of
all talk about the things that you've said you believe in and then we'll
get to the other things that every DSA candidate's going to be asked about from now to the end
of the election. You say Floridians are ready for Medicare for All, universal childcare,
affordable housing, fully funded public education, and an end to senseless wars. How did that
resonate on the campaign trail, especially Medicare for All, a universal healthcare?
Yeah, for sure. So the state of Florida, Floridians, we are the largest group of enrollees on the Affordable Care Act. And again, unelected actually Moody decided to vote against extending the ACA subsidies, which not nearly 300,000 people off the ACA marketplace.
Medical debt is the leading cause of bankruptcy here in our country and you've got to think about it.
People are literally going bankrupt simply because they're trying to stay alive.
And so not only that, but childcare here in our state, it ranges anywhere from $800 to $2,400.
Universal childcare is something that we need for every $1 the government would spend.
It puts $3 back into the economy because it allows parents to be able to work.
I am a mother of five.
Me and my husband have a blended family.
I have a five year old right now.
Do you know how much we need childcare
and it'll free us up to not have to worry about things?
And Floridians and Americans all across the state agree.
So first of all, 300,000 Floridians knocked off
of healthcare support because of the so-called
big beautiful bill. It's had a devastating impact across America. Yeah, a big BS still has had a
horrible impact for so many working Americans. I want to ask you now about some other issues
and some candidates support these issues, some DSA candidates. I know Mayor Mamdani does not
support some of these issues. I'm going to ask you where you stand on defunding the police,
abolishing prisons and opening up the border again. Do you support any of those propositions?
So what I support is making sure that we have law and order in this country,
and that starts with making sure there's a full release of the Epstein files and that we hold
people accountable. It also is making sure that we have accountability for ICE officials who
have murdered and slaughtered people in our streets on camera who unfortunately have not
been held accountable and actually have been hit honestly. And so those are the types of things
that I support. And I want to be clear, you know, I am a union member. I recently joined
the working families party. I'd also just recently joined DSA because there were some
things, the majority of things that I'm supportive of, but just like I'm a Democrat, there are
some things that I do not.
By the way, Shakespearean, insert fucking fire emoji.
I'm not a supporter of prison abolition.
I, however, am in support of private prison abolition.
That is, that is insert fucking fire quiver on the book, emoji moment, fantastic.
i'm not in support of police abolition on the support of ice abolition
i'm not in support of prison abolition on the support of private prison
abolition
is
with caliente
it's excellent
it's great
now remember a lot of people get very fucking mad a lot of people go on my
god this is a portrayal of a lot of a lot of a lot of a lot of shit the
fuck up
okay
shut up
the reason why i say this is because
One, I trust her in terms of her background,
in terms of her like worldview,
in terms of her perspective,
but like, not quiver, sorry, a quill.
I fucked it up, thank you, quill, the quill on fire.
So, she's basically,
shut up, it's such a dumbass thing to say to a chat.
Yeah. Well, this is back and forth communication. Okay. This is not a betrayal. It's not a betrayal at
all. It's talking about, it's opening up the door to what is possible down the line.
It's not a betrayal. It's opening up the door. It's starting the conversation from an angle
that is broadly popular.
Yeah, sorry. She didn't say private prison. She said for profit prisons. Yeah.
Fantastic.
Fantastic.
I fully support within a democratic party, particularly those corporate democrats, right?
I don't accept corporate money. And I want to make sure that these billionaires
pay what they owe and so there are going to be a few differences here and there but
overwhelmingly I care about and support are what every day Floridians care about
and support which is making sure the housing is right and people have a
place to put their heads at night. Yeah so you don't you don't support
defunding the police? No I don't support defunding the police. I do
support uh comprehensive criminal justice reform
to make sure we are addressing some of the root causes of people
leading into a life of crime.
Right, right.
Willie, Willie Geist is with us and has the next question.
Willie.
Congratulations on your win last night.
Let me just follow up on what Joe was asking,
because as you know now that you're running statewide,
your Republican opponent, actually, Moody,
already is saying the positions of the DSA
and particularly of you are crazy,
calling you all comrades together, et cetera.
So what about abolishing prisons,
which is one of the platform positions of the nation?
I'm not in favor of abolishing prisons,
but I'm in favor of abolishing for-profit prisons.
DSA, do you support that?
I don't support abolishing prisons.
What I do support is abolishing for-profit prisons
because they exploit labor
and they usher many of our children
into the school to prison pipeline.
Why are we incentivizing the enhancement of also barring some establishment black politicians?
Um black candidates black politicians in general are going to
Never skip a beat on this because they have lived experience from their communities
As far as like how to communicate around this issue. That's part of the reason why you know
No disrespect to anybody else. That's a progressive nationally
a nationally famous progressive candidate, but like she's not doing, because a lot of
people were like, well, she's not doing the woke one point. Oh, it was crazy. Shit is
like, yeah, because she's, she's black woman. Like it's ironic because woke one, woke one
was crazy. Came from Chiyose, a black man. Okay. But, you know, I don't, I understand
how he meant it. And I even understand how AOC
meant it as well, which a lot of people did not see in the same favorable light that I did.
She also got off scoffery on that. Yeah, top G.
But yeah.
Yeah, she literally said, I don't support. She did the same thing that I do all the
time, which is not, I'm not like connecting myself to her in any way she'd perform, but like this is
something that I do all the time as well, where I say I'm not in favor of prison abolition and then
describe some of the immediate steps towards a goal such as that one. Okay, sometimes it's important
to focus on what is permissible, to focus on what is possible, to focus on something that is
still considered radical by a lot of people, but it's not so radical by the masses, right?
Sometimes it's okay if a slogan is if a slogan is considered far too damaged. It's okay to just say look I
Don't know about this defund the police stuff
But I believe that police have a necessary job in a normal society and they handle far too many tasks and what I think
We should focus on is the best ways to engage in crime prevention
prevention and part of that revolves around funding some of these other tools that foster a a safer community
Tackled the root causes of crime like poverty
Right
Because if we live in a world
Where
Obamacare is unpopular
But the affordable care act is
is, you gotta work with what's popular. You understand? You have to be quick on your feet,
you have to be nimble with the rhetoric. Do you understand? Especially if it's directionally,
if it's directionally in line with your goals.
Hassan, stop it, you do not talk about the school
to prison pipeline or for-profit prisons when it's discussed?
No, I was referencing something else
that I also reframe.
When we talk about prison abolition,
I say there are plenty of people
that I would like to put in prison,
but then I also talk about
how I'm much more favorable towards the prison abolitionist position than what is the norm.
What do I always say is the norm in American society?
For profit, prisons is the norm in American society.
Putting people in concentration camps is the norm in American society.
Our current unbelievably violent carceral state is the norm in American society and
I think that's unfathomable.
I think that's radical.
Do I not always say that?
Yes.
In the past, I've talked about the school-to-prison pipeline extensively.
But if you think that I, you know, do not bring up for-profit prisons or a carceral state
and how violent it is, how exploitative it is, you're wrong.
You must not have listened after I say, I'm not a prison abolitionist because you
You probably fucking checked out because you heard me say, I'm not a prison abolitionist
and you started seeing red because there's probably hundreds of hours of me talking
about not only our carceral state and how ridiculous it is, how violent it is, how
How bad it is to reintegrate, like how bad it is at reintegrating felons back into society,
normal society, how many fucking times have I talked about this shit?
In my opinion, this is a good pivot because she reframes the debate back to a progressive
issue that complements her moral worldview.
She's not chasing the tough-on crime lane that Dems basically can't win against the
Republican, no matter how hard they try. Yes.
In for profit prisons because they exploit labor and they usher many of our children
into the school to prison pipeline. Yeah, like every line bar for bar after she
said I'm not a prison abolitionist. Yeah, you're you're in the community of a guy
who is like directly interviewed prison firefighters and talked about all of these
issues extensively. It's so funny that motherfuckers forget about everything that I've done in
the past. They just hear the word. I am not a prison abolitionist and they fucking lose
their minds.
How can I expect random boomers, not the fall for clip chimps? When I got my own community
that isn't even getting clip chimped, they're getting, I guess context chimp because they
hear something that they don't want to hear and they don't understand the, you know,
the broader initiative at play.
Why are we incentivizing the enhancement of penalties
and actually allowing the enhancement of not actually
allowing the education system to be successful?
There has been an attack on public education here
in our state and across our country.
And that leads to children winding up in the school
to prison pipeline.
I don't support abolishing prisons,
but I do support ending for-profit prisons,
which also when you look at it and look at some data points,
you will see that there have been a lot of people
that have died inside of these for-profit prisons
or you have seen there's a lot.
She could also tie it back to alligator Alcatraz too,
which is like another one of these like disastrous attempts
at a for-profit detention facility
of the federal government deployed
where God knows how many people were killed.
Like we still don't have answers as a senator.
She's gonna demand answers
on why Floridian taxpayer dollars went to that initiative.
You know, there's still thousands of people missing.
We don't know where they went.
It was fucking crazy.
This is her state, right?
Like, so that's another good way
to drop the salience of this issue.
like we got the government fucking,
we got the government fucking disappearing people,
you know what I mean?
It's unbelievable.
It's completely unacceptable, completely unacceptable.
A lot of wastes and abuse and fraud
within these private prisons, four-profit prisons.
And so those are the types of things that I'm against.
And what about another national position,
which is the free movement of people,
which the VSA means open borders.
They say that's what that means.
Do you support open borders into the United States?
I support a comprehensive and clear pathway to citizenship for folks.
I believe that border patrol should make sure that they are securing the border.
I believe though that there needs to be a clear, comprehensive and compassionate pathway
to citizenship, especially for folks like Haitians and Venezuelans and Syrians.
Haitian community here in our state contribute over $2.6 billion to our economy. And not
only that, it's not only just about their labor. It's actually about the culture that
they bring here. They are amazing people. And so there needs to be a clear pathway
to citizenship, especially if their country is still so unstable. I mean, the Department
of state is issued warnings to people traveling over to Haiti. And so how can we
be okay with ending TPS status for folks if we say that Americans shouldn't go
back there or go visit? And so I again support a clear and compassionate
comprehensive pathway to citizenship as well as making sure that our
borders are secure.
One issue I'm sure you've already found as you've traveled the state and
you will find increasingly now in the general election
is the question of Israel.
So I'm curious what you would say to a Jewish motor
who's interested in you,
likes what they've seen in many ways,
your economic message as well,
maybe an independent voter, Democrat,
but also even a Republican who's fed up with Donald Trump
and looks at the DSA national position
of just cutting off all aid to Israel,
economic, military, everything else.
Would you support that cutting off aid to Israel?
So you asked me what I would say and how I would make a Jewish folder or person comfortable with my positions. And what I would say is that they should look at my track record. I have a proven track record in history of fighting against bigotry calling it out in all shapes and forms.
I believe in the safety and well-being and dignity of all people and I want to ensure that when it comes to military aid or aid to any country outside of the U.S., that we heavily scrutinize it because right now here in our state, in our country, we have veterans that are living unhoused on the streets.
seats. We have teachers that are calling my state office monthly because they can't afford
to live in the state of Florida anymore. And so we need to make sure that we're putting
Americans first before we go ahead and start sending money or military aid to any country
outside of the US. So that's fair. I think that's why.
Oh, I'm sorry, Willie, go ahead.
I just wanted to just put a fine point on that.
So that's why you want your economic message because people in your state are suffering economically.
But just to put a fine point out, would you support cutting off military and economic aid to Israel?
At this time, I believe what's happening over in Israel and in Palestine
Palestine is not good for Israeli or Palestinians. And I believe that Nemiahu is a war criminal
who needs.
I mean, thank you.
It's the answer to his crimes. And I do not support sending any money or any weapons
to Israel at this moment. No, I don't.
mode, peace mode, queen, queen, peace mode, peace mode. Oh, oh, dude, never, never did I,
never did I ever believe that I would see the motherfucking day. Dude, again, won the
Florida Democratic Senator primary. Can you please, I need you guys to understand where
we are. Okay, I need you guys to understand where we are currently. Like so many of you
only tuned into this issue in the last three years. If you've been at this for the last 13 years,
like I have, this is an unfathomable but very welcomed sea change. Okay? Even if you were
tuned in kind of three years ago. Think about it now.
Oh, if she goes on to win Florida, what do you think we'll say next? If she wins Florida,
America is, is, I'm not going to say anything. I just, the American trajectory will be so
fucking positive. I cannot. Oh my God. Oh my God. She's phenomenal, but she's obviously
going to get stomped in November. You said it so many times towards the end last night,
the Florida is not saveable. Republican votes outnumbered. Dem votes by like 500.
Okay. That's an insane mountain to climb. I know. But I think she has a better shot
at climbing that mountain than a cookie cutter, neoliberal centrist Democrat.
Okay, and the fact that she's a black woman in a state like Florida will in my opinion help
Florida is also Florida is very racist of course but also there's a lot of black voters in Florida
and black voters are pissed the fuck off right now.
Now, there's a ton of black people in Florida, dog.
There are a ton of black felons in Florida as well.
Ron DeSantis' signature accomplishment was to eradicate the gains made by a ballot measure
that was voted for by a much wider margin than his margin of victory over Andrew Gillum.
The first thing he did was a felon voter restoration was a ballot measure.
Okay.
Vote restoration for felons was a ballot measure, a ballot initiative in the state of Florida
that got a fuck ton more votes than Ron DeAndes Sanders did.
Okay.
DeSantis did.
His first act, once he was governor, was to re-institute a motherfucking poll tax,
bro.
segregation shit
he literally went in
to the governor's mansion
and one of the first things that he did
re-institute a poll tax
We can make
Yeah, Florida is a true purple state still, I believe. If you believe it can happen, Florida
could happen. Okay, because all those ballot measures get crazy, crazy support. Because
remember, in the state of Blurida, okay, in the state of Blurida, which is how I will
be referring to Florida going forward. Ballot measures need 60% to pass and Floridians vote
for those ballot measures with that 60 plus percent. They pass all the time. Super, super
progressive ballot measures pass in the state. It's the Democratic Party that's not popular
in Blurida. The Bluridians are writing abortion rights, things like that.
People want it.
Anyway, I do want to talk about the, the fucking ad font as media bias chart once again,
because they revealed it one more time. Now I, this is like the sex,
past any cults favorite bias chart. And of course I have some choice words to say and I'm glad that
more people are aware that these guys are a fucking Psyop. Like, if you dig into the founders and
funders of ad fond as media grounders and any of these bias evaluators, their methodology is purely
vice based and their right wing political project is pretty clear. Literate machine did a great
article and video about it. I wake up there's another Psyop only the most brainwash will
fall for your corporate media glazing bullshit. Now they are a lot of people hyper focused on
the fact that I am in as like as unreliable and as as much of a liar as like Alex Jones,
right? People love using that. What they failed to recognize, and I've said for years, like
in an effort to show how fucking insane these guys are with their metrics is all of the
other people on the left versus people on the right.
I'll give you some examples. Now they put me down here. It contains misleading information,
you know, on the hyper extreme, hyper partisan left, not the most extreme rev left or rev
left radio is the most extreme breakthrough news more extreme. They put Joe Rogan above
me, right? So like a lot of people will look at that and go, huh, lol owned. At
at least they put me a little bit above Nick Fuentes, America first, Nick Fuentes.
And they put Alex Jones beneath me for the first time this year.
But what's really interesting about this is not where I'm at in comparison to other
right-wing sources.
If you want to understand how fucking insane, how unbelievably biased these guys are, look
no further than the fact that mitis touch
is also barely cracking
the bottom of the opinion or wide variation reliability metric
whereas skynews dot com dot a u new york post daily mail and fucking
kelly
is considered
more reliable than mitis touch
more reliable than rolling stone
more reliable than daily dot
are you out of your fucking mind
box news dot com is considered more reliable than jocobin
ms now
fox news dot com and news nation tv fox business
gb n
GB news is the Fox news of the UK. And GB news is considered more reliable as a news outlet
than MS now is than Rachel Maddow is. Now of course I had to cook them and I said,
I had to defend my boys over at Midas touch regardless of our disagreements at times.
Okay. I said, yes, Megyn Kelly, who has talked about Charlie Kirk being killed by hexes is
infinitely more fact-based than Midas Touch. Thank you for another incredibly biased media
bias chart at Fontez Media.
GB News is the Fox News of the UK.
You are briefly featured in this video about how trash ground news is.
Oh, this is from Literate Machine.
Yeah.
It's in the popularity of socialism in the United States over the past decade.
Despite capitalism practically being on holy ground here, it shows just how hard it is
for the Epstein class to get people to fight against their own interests when it feels
like everything is collapsing around our ears.
I kind of want to watch this video now.
This is because Adfontis is run by Wiccan so they know the hexes are real. True.
So, here's the problem with this, okay?
You can chalk it up to two things. You can chalk it up to one of two things.
You can either say, oh, they're just trying to do the both sides are kind of the same,
and then they're falling for this like both sides are actually not the same reality, right?
That could be one of the reasons, right?
Or you understand that from their perspective they are heavily biased in the right-wing media
direction. A couple things immediately stand out. The free press has engaged in genocide
denial through lies. And the free press is in the skews right column. And the free
press is considered far more reliable than the Rolling Stone. Far more reliable than,
you know, all these other, uh, all these other outlets to the left. Far more reliable than,
uh, more reliable than Jen Pisaki. Some of these people on the left are not fans of mine,
and I'm not fans of them, but I am not a fucking sociopath. I am not a fucking moron
who literally looks at this and goes,
uh, New York Post, uh, much more trusted
and much more reliable as a news resource
than Jen fucking Pesachy.
Are you insane?
Well, the answer is yes, by the way.
The five is not more reliable than Jen Pesachy.
The five is not more reliable than Midas Touch.
And the New York Post is certainly not more reliable
than Midas-Dutch or Jen Pasaki.
The idea that Taylor Lorenz is less reliable
than Fox News, GBN,
Megyn Kelly, Daily Mail,
New York Post, Free Press,
and Theo fucking Vaughn!
I like Theo Vaughn.
I've been on a show.
That's a fucking insane standard.
Theo Vaughn wouldn't agree with that.
Theo Vaughn would be like,
what the fuck are you talking about?
I'm more reliable than Midas Touch,
than Jim Pesachie.
Theo Vaughn is a comedian, man.
What are you doing?
Like, Brett Baer, in what planet is Brett fucking Baer, who is probably one of the better anchors on Fox News, but albeit still on Fox News, in what planet is the special report with Brett Baer, a more reliable news resource than even the fucking Atlantic?
Or current affairs?
What are we talking about Boston review?
Like Brett Bayer is on the same level of reliability in a trusted resource in news as PBS as PBS.
What are we doing?
This is an insanely biased and insanely broken media chart and I'm glad that people are,
you know, recognizing it.
Where's democracy now? I don't think they have democracy now on here right now, but
this is just a summary. Yeah, comparisons of the extremes on both sides even more laughable.
Yes, I know. You might have noticed I haven't worked with ground news, even though what I
do is basically what brown news does right it's a perfect organic ad placement
this is the reason why is the reason why I told them straight up like I was
like you have to talk to ad fontes you guys rely on ad fontes to figure out
your bias and your reliability charts these guys are out of that of their
minds. Because I like ground news. I think ground news is actually a very, ground news
could provide a very important resource. And I think they do a decent job regardless.
I think ground news does a decent job when you compare it to like, like as a concept I
like it. As a concept, I like it as a tool, I like it. Does that make sense?
Do you understand?
You guys are misunderstanding my point. I'm saying that as a concept or as a tool,
ground news would be an important resource for a lot of people who are not as fucking media obsessed as we are
Okay
We're media obsessed. We're media perverts. We are media perverts. We watch more Fox news
Than our racist grandparents do
We watch Fox news we read articles on a daily basis. We're article heads
I'm sorry the average person doesn't have your understanding
Yeah, piker flint does another media influence to do more than political commentary. They shape political parties
Yeah, I'm only a little bit higher than the guy who doesn't believe the Holocaust happened
You out of your fucking mind
Anyway, yeah, lower than Joe Rogan, Mr. Mr. Antivax, Mr. Ivermectin, a more trusted, more
reliable source of news.
You look silly.
Anyway, my point is this.
My point is this.
Ground news as a concept is good.
Ground news as a concept is important and good.
The problem is it's very difficult to actually chart out a decent media bias chart because
ironically enough, those who are charting out the media bias are biased themselves.
Do you understand?
And for ground news, they're not going to waste a lot of resources, you know, creating
their own version of this. And what they're going to do instead is rely on AdFontess Media
and numerous other resources similar to AdFontess Media. And that's the problem.
Yeah. Yeah, Joe Rogan calls out as producer Jamie for laughing when medical doctor Zach Bush says
simply looking at hieroglyphics can reverse inflammation in the body and at
fontis media is like yep that is a more reliable more reliable news resource than
myself
Do they publish their analyst list from across the political spectrum?
I don't know.
Jamie hates his life dog.
Anyway, this is, this is like very, very frustrating for me as a Midas Touch Defender.
As a Midas Touch Defender, I see shit like this and it pisses me the fuck off, okay?
What's their justification for having you this low?
They think that, you know, my positions are, my positions are, are ridiculous.
So that's the reason why they say I'm, I'm not reliable as a source of information.
But it's funny because these guys do see me as a reliable source of information, like
The people who are at the top of this, journalists, producers routinely work and offer coverage
on this guy down here as a decent combater of misinformation on the internet.
So it doesn't even make sense from their own perspective.
Because, yes, well, you know, CNN is not exactly a fan of mine or whatever.
The New Yorker, NPR, like I've been on Guardian, New York Times, I've been on a
a lot of these outlets with regular frequency as they cover what I do as
as a person who combats right wing disinformation as a person who combats
uh... you know
uh... the the bro culture in the man is here on the internet
so it doesn't even make sense from their own framework but it doesn't matter
but yeah
If ground news were to fix their hyper reliance on like ad font as media, I think they would
be a far better tool overall.
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existing biases and may even push you into more extreme views?
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Sounds great, right?
Right?
Chapter 1.
So what's the problem with ground news anyway?
There's this video by Ben Jordan about how capitalism is dying, something I was
researching for a certain other episode. And his video is pretty good. However, there was
one part that made me do a double take. At one point in the video, he says there's a problem that
every piece of news that the average voter sees is manipulated by a third party aggregator.
Yeah, true. I got a pity. But then at the very end of the video, he turns around and says,
I suppose you want some advice on how to educate yourself about current events when
an exceeding amount of news organizations are owned by billionaires and sometimes even
governments. Well, ground news. Come here. I'll show you.
And I'm like, wait a minute. Now, you might have heard of ground news because they've
been buying ads on popular YouTube channels faster than Ray Kahn's and Raid Shadow Legends.
But ground news is also a corporate news aggregator serving up stories via an opaque algorithm,
right? And it's not only that, but it's a news aggregator whose chief feature is
that it classifies the entirety of news output along a simple one-dimensional left
right political axis.
Now, Ben Jordan says that ground news is independently owned and funded by subscribers, but this
is at best a half-truth.
According to their own website, in addition to subscribers, ground news is funded by an
unidentified handful of mission-aligned independent investors.
And if you look in Pitchbook, you'll find a number of venture capital firms in the
mix, including Techstars, which was also one of the early investors in Uber.
But even if we accept ground news independence at base value, how do they even determine
the political bias of a news organization?
According to them, it's based on the work of three other independent organizations.
All sides, Alfonso's media, and media bias fact check.
I could deep dive into these three orgs, the opaque nature of those involved in
creating their ratings, and none of them actually tell you the names of the people
doing their ratings or what their credentials are, and the fact that they're all
like ground news itself for profit businesses. But I think it's more telling to look at the
results of their work as represented by ground news. One could of course take issue with
ground news identifying the New York Times as a publication that leans left. Considering
the many efforts it's made under Nepo baby owner A.G. Sultzberger's ideals of neutrality
and objectivity to buck that perception by hiring openly anti-woke journalists,
giving voice to right-wing columnists, not to mention the famous 2020 editorial by Republican
Senator Tom Cotton to send troops to put down the George Floyd protests and causing longtime
liberal economists and Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman to quit through editing that he said
toned down his voice and forced false equivalences on him. But a more concerning case I think is
the Wall Street Journal, a publication owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, which
which also owns Fox News, and which ground news tells us is politically in the center.
But which, as far as I can tell, has never had an opinion piece to the left of Federico
Franco.
As I wrote this, the Wall Street Journal opinion pages had such absolute center takes
as Mamdani's socialist supermarket may put little grocers out of business, despite
the fact that they're specifically aimed at food deserts, a piece called The Justices
Are Finally Colorblind celebrating the destruction of the Civil Rights Act by the Supreme
court, and Obama's legacy is the Trump presidency. With the lead line, his foreign policy was
one of retrenchment, and his signature health insurance law made things worse. Does them
implicitly criticizing Trump by blaming him on Obama make the Wall Street Journal centrist?
What kind of a bad joke is this exactly? Or consider the Economist, another publication
marked as center by ground news, and which, for example, recently had a cover story
about how best to fight Gen Z socialism, which it portrayed as a me first doctrine and a threat
to prosperity. Or Forbes magazine, which literally has a billionaires section, and whose articles
include such nuanced takes as one in June by the magazine's billionaire founder, about
how California's wealth tax is quote, part of a tyrannical scheme for global economic
control by people who don't understand that economic growth is limitless, something
I debunked in another video.
That's definitely center, according to Ground News.
What do you think center is supposed to mean here exactly, and who benefits from defining
it this way?
And while there's long been a distinction between the news and opinion sections of newspapers,
and even news-related television programs, this isn't a distinction that Ground News
makes.
And while the writers and newscasters of the two sections might be kept separate,
they're still under the same upper management and editorial policies.
The Wall Street Journal leading a story about ICE traffic stops with quotes from Trump
about their importance is a more subtle form of conservative bias than an opinion
case attacking ICE protesters in New Jersey, but both go out under the same editorial auspices.
In fact, it sure seems like the Times feels compelled to respond to constant allegations
of liberalism by self-consciously giving voice to the right, while papers like the Wall
Street Journal don't bother with any such thing for the left, which creates a media
environment designed to lurch steadily rightward.
It's worth noting that the notion that mainstream news organizations, like The Times, ABC News,
or CNN, are liberal media, was once highly controversial.
In the 90s, for example, a long time ABC news anchor Sam Donaldson remarked,
People on the right say we're too liberal, and people on the left say we're in league with the status quo.
Which means, we're right where we should be, right in the middle.
At that time, the idea that mainstream news was liberal was an accusation from the right,
but that didn't mean it was accepted by the public at large, much less the newscasters themselves.
Indeed, the non-partisan nature of the news was not only believed in by those reporting it,
but was and remained something actively enforced by mainstream news outlets and journalism schools.
Even opinion writers who are obviously committed to have political opinions
are not supposed to have political affiliations or be political activists.
Consider that in 2017, journalist Louis Raven Wallace was fired from his job on the American
public media radio show Marketplace because of a post on his private blog of varying that
objectivity in journalism was dead.
While firing him, his boss, veteran journalist Deborah Clark, told him a story about how
she'd been scolded by a journalism professor at university for protesting apartheid in
South Africa.
A journalist should be so dedicated to appearing unbiased that they can't even
be seen protesting something as horrific as apartheid, which isn't to say that
mainstream media actually is or was unbiased and neutral.
As I'll explore, there's all sorts of ways bias appears in news reports.
But this stance of ostensible neutrality has long been used as a lever by a conservative
media that seeks to portray anything to the left of far-right reaction as liberal, and
then to frame media by a strictly in terms of a simple left-right political axis, such
that the neutral mainstream is forced to present both reality and far-right reaction
in terms of equal weight, with facts themselves becoming mere ammunition in an ongoing
culture war.
And this one's contentious framing gets presented as established fact by ground
news, or worse, served up by AI as fact based on information scraped from ground
news or its sources to a credulous public.
This rot begins, however, not with ground news or even with the well-funded right-wing assault
on the mainstream media, but rather with the whole notion of journalistic independence
itself, and particularly with the redoubling of open efforts by the Epstein class to gobble
up media for its own purposes.
There's no such thing as unbiased media.
I see this all the time, right?
There's no such thing.
It's impossible to be unbiased, okay?
So the standard for journalism should be truthful and accurate reporting.
do you understand? That's it. Wait, you're biased? Yes. And I do something that I think
I do something that a lot of people, at least like the average consumer of news doesn't comprehend
is far more truthful than just hiding my biases and saying, I'm impartial. I'm unbiased.
No, I tell you what my biases are. I tell you what my position is every single time
Unconditionally, I
Always tell you I'm always transparent about what my perspective is on any issue that I cover and
For the average consumer of news they look at that and they go wait a minute, but I'm used to hearing people
Say that they are
A political I'm used to people saying that they're impartial. So there's something probably wrong with you
right? And it sucks because from a marketing perspective, I should probably just say I'm
unbiased, I'm impartial, all I'm doing is giving you the common position or whatever. But I
don't do that. I don't do that because I think this is far more truthful. It's far more
truth will tell you like this is what I believe this is my perspective on this
issue I'm just gonna tell you exactly how I think and then you can make up your
mind if you think that I'm being like if I'm favoring one side of an issue it's
worth taking a look at how we got here and what this all actually means and I
promise by the end I'll give you a better way to understand bias in media
and where I think you should get your news but first I'll take a moment to
tell you about my actual sponsor, so this is this goes into like this pours into the
history of news media and then goes into like the right wing biases, right? Right wing biases
throughout history of media. It's a very long and very well thought out video, it seems,
I'm not going to get into all of it because there's still a lot of news to cover.
Okay, apolitical equals right wing. Are you slow? Why do you use the N word so much?
What is the N word? Nuclear?
Oh, because I said establishment, that's what you're, that's what you're joking about, okay.
It means to establish its own neutrality and independence as a sign of legitimacy.
And when those accusing media of being biased are the same magazines, newspapers, radio shows, and television,
favored by the President of the United States, you start thinking maybe you're not as neutral as you think you are.
On top of this, most journalists are of a certain background, college-educated and
tending to come from wealthier upbringings, working in the urban centers where most news
organizations are based.
A problem that's only gotten worse over the past few decades with the mass shudderings
of local newspapers.
They also, as pointed out in chapter 2, tend to be predominantly white and male,
but obviously that wasn't an issue for the right.
And so it was easy for the right to portray the mainstream media as rich elites from
liberal cities who saw everything through a liberal lens.
This, of course, despite the fact that most of the people in the conservative
media had similar backgrounds, such as William F. Buckley, who went to Yale and lived in New
York City with a second house in Stanford, Connecticut, after marrying a wealthy heiress.
Not exactly a man of the people.
And of course, as mentioned, the conservative movement is heavily funded by the old for
wealthy.
But this is how it always is with the right.
They position themselves as champions of the common man against the elites, while simultaneously
pursuing policies to undermine, disempower, and impoverish that same working class
at every turn.
And part of the right wing program is to actively undermine the basic facts that
are supposed to form the core of the objective, neutral approach to the news whenever those
facts contradict the aims of the wealthy and powerful.
The one thing I've noticed, you obviously I'm just a streamer, I'm just a dumbass,
to be honest, I think it's disingenuous, you're media trained and smart and it comes off as
a cop-out, there's some of us in alignment with your position just my two cents, yeah,
but...
...and have established social hierarchies.
For example, man-made climate change is an established fact evinced by an almost
unanimous scientific consensus, but it jeopardizes the business interests of
oil companies who have undergone a strategy known as the tobacco industry playbook for
how it was pioneered by tobacco companies of funding fraudulent studies saying climate
change was a hoax spreading disinformation and doubt and lobbying the government to prevent
any legislation that might limit oil production or favor renewable energy.
And so manmade climate change and a host of other things transitioned from facts to
politicized points of contention.
And when the mainstream reports facts as facts it merely becomes evidence of their
supposed liberal bias.
And this is also why the saying, reality has a well-known liberal bias makes sense.
And thus, mainstream news organizations, in order to maintain their carefully honed appearance
of neutrality, start to refer to well-established facts in ways that frame them as debatable,
to teach the controversy as creation is sur fond of saying.
But if you present both sides of an issue where one side is factual and the other side
is fraudulent, if you try to be even-handed and fair, all it does is legitimize the
fraudulent position.
And this is even more true when the lie comes from someone in a position of authority
and you report it in a neutral way in deference to that authority.
As Gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson once remarked,
How can you be objective about Nixon?
Indeed, journalists bend over backwards to make the idiot ramblings of Donald Trump
seem like normal rational statements in a desperate effort to preserve the impression
of unbiased non-partisanship.
Meanwhile, per messengers of the right,
conservative media and the transformation of American politics by Nicole Hemmer,
even when, say, The New York Times criticizes a liberal policy,
quote, conservative media activists presented it not as evidence of the paper's even
handedness but as evidence of the policy's failure. Even the liberal New York Times had to admit.
Thus, evidence that seemed to undermine the charge of liberal bias could be reinterpreted to
support it. And the end result is that the news media alerted self-consciously rightward
in order to avoid being called liberal. Yes, this is the classic meta. So that's why I said,
remember when I said ground news or ad font as media could be doing one of two things,
they could be doing like the whole, well, we're just trying to be as impartial as possible.
And that impartiality, that search for impartiality will always cause you to say,
well, there are people on the left that are doing crazy stuff too, just like people on the right.
And when you engage in this battle, you end up doing false equivalence.
You end up doing a lot of false equivalence and yourself a disservice.
If your job is to unironically accurately manage the misinformation and information reliability
of right wing outlets and left wing outlets, sorry, it's just not going to fucking look
like a perfectly balanced chart.
It's just not going to, that's not going to happen.
Like if you look at someone like myself and you look at someone like Charlie Kirk in
In terms of our reliability metrics, if we are the perfectly, you know, aligned, perfectly
opposing forces, I'm infinitely more reliable.
What do you mean?
He does fucking right wing propaganda at the behest of the state, or did, sorry, did
right wing propaganda at the behest of the state.
Behind every transgender, behind every school shooter, he found a trans person.
For example, first the market all the time, talking about how, you know, black female
pilots can't actually operate a plane appropriately.
Like these are the types of things that the right traffic in with regular frequency and
it's perfectly normalized on that side of the equation.
If I was doing something similar here on the left, most people would freak the fuck
out on me.
They'd be like, get out of here.
What are you talking about?
I don't even know what the opposite of that would look like if we're being real. I don't
even know what the left-wing version of that would look like, right?
Yeah. I mean, Adam Johnson is great at this stuff. This is the bread and butter. But you
know, in journalism school, they teach you not to say seen-as or thought-to-be or long-viewed
without by saying whom. But at Axios, it's a bog standard way of laundering one's ideological
preferences. Nixon recently joined the Democratic Socialists of America, long viewed as too far
left for Florida. By who? By who? Because if you don't say by who, then you're basically saying you
see it as such. Socialist MMA is the opposite. Yeah, guys like that, I guess.
Here, I'll give you one other example of like a lot of, of misinformation flying around
or a lot of context and nuance getting lost in conversation.
So Robinson Meyer of Heatmap wrote narrative violation, left voices like Osama and have
criticized David Crowley for not adopting a data center moratorium like Francesca
Hong where Crowley's actual data center policy is much stricter than dot,
dot, dot to name one example,
Abdul L Syed's what remains notable about the story and much has lost the
commentary is that Crowley is not even a moderate on data centers.
On some fronts,
he would regulate data centers more aggressively than Michigan democratic
Senate nominee,
I'll say it would even though the former has been branded as a pragmatist
and the latter is a progressive Crowley.
Of course wants data centers to use 100% renewable electricity to cover
the full grid and infrastructure upgrade costs.
LSAT hasn't made the same commitment on clean energy. Crowley says, yeah, this stuff is also
like unfavorable to LSAT's position in general, right? Crowley says, data center developers
must build with union labor while LSAT will require only the facilities must be built by
contractors and state registered apprenticeship programs. I even think Crowley's assistance
on local control over data centers are more expansive commitment than LSAT's demand
that communities must get a meaningful say. Here's the difference.
Else Ed is seen as and has openly mentioned his antagonism towards data centers and therefore
people, voters in general, obviously look to what he's saying and trust it more as someone who will
control data centers. Okay. A lot of people don't understand the data center moratorium
doesn't mean no data centers ever. Okay? There are a lot of people who don't want any data centers
ever. Right? The data center moratorium is not no data centers ever. The data center moratorium
is a perfect way to identify exactly what the problems are, the environmental impact,
how they must be built and where they can be built. Okay? And to demand community consent.
So if that's Crowley's perspective, if that's Crowley's perspective and that's his framework,
then he probably should not aggressively come across in conversations on data centers as not
being restrictive of data centers as at all. So I said this exact, I responded to him and I said,
we are talking over one another. I don't disagree with this. I'm aware of the nuances.
These races are about narratives and Crowley has work to do to reframe the combo.
Thinking Tiffany is anti-data centers is like thinking Trump's the peace president. Dems leave openings that GOP seizes on
The other major difference here is that optals not getting corporate PAC money
Part of the part of the secret sauce here is that a lot of the construction unions
Want data centers to be built because it creates union labor labor union jobs
That's the reason why the left is also not as aggressively antagonistic to data centers, right?
Or at least is not as aggressive or as upset about data centers as the masses are.
The masses don't want them.
Americans are all NIMBY-brand at the end of the day.
You could say all this is a function of framing. It is Crowley who has declined to endorse
the data center moratorium while outside rally against data centers repeatedly on his campaign
on a vice basis.
Else it is the more anti data center candidate, but policies are not made by atmospheric
salon. And it is notable that socials like piker of endorse all sides approach while
begging Crowley to go further when Crowley had the stricter policy all along. Here's
the problem. These guys think that elections are one on who has the more reasonable policy.
Elections are one on who has the more appealing policy, who presents themselves in a contentious
environment as being for or against insert whatever thing people care about. That's
That's it.
You can yell about how Kamala Harris actually had a nuanced position on Israel till the motherfucking
cows come home, okay?
But if she cannot win over the anti-Israel crowd, if she cannot be convincingly against
Israel's genocide of the Palestinians, then Donald Trump will come in and lie about his
position and will win over at least enough people.
And Abdul Al Sayed has supported a moratorium on data centers, at least on this broadcast.
So I don't know why the fuck this guy is lying about it.
I guess nothing that he says on this outlet is considered a serious news outlet, but that
doesn't matter.
To say that Abdul Al Sayed is less strict on data centers than David Crowley is incorrect.
Okay.
to say, to say that Abdul Al Sayed is less strict on data centers than Crowley is just
wrong. Okay? It's just not correct. David Crowley has said over and over again how he
wants to make Wisconsin the data center capital of the world. When you say shit like that,
of course, one, AI packs, not APAC, but AI packs are not going to spend against
you and they're going to spend for you. Right? That's number one. That's a huge deal.
The irony is that you're missing out on what the commentary is saying. Yeah.
Yeah, forget about a Sompiker Tom Tiffani's attacking Crowley for it.
Piker pointed out a weakness Crowley needs to be firmly against.
Again you never mention important stuff as your core argument instead you agreed?
the article why don't you mention it all instead he would just agree on everything
as he said oh my fucking god dude so bad what I don't even know what you're what
you're saying I'm confused as to what your argument is what your anger is
what your resentment is at this very moment
New political cartoon dropped wait
what the fuck yo dude the book dude this is what oh this is awesome first of all why
Why is Sam Cedar saying America deserve 9 11 while also wearing a shirt that says
us on piker on it and a button for the DSA.
So that's what's confusing to me about this right off the rip.
I don't know.
I don't think Sam Cedar has ever said America deserve 9 11 and I didn't know that this cartoon
is new.
The same Cedar had a shirt that says us on piker on it.
Okay.
wearing the newest merch.
So that's number one.
Number two.
I think it's awesome that boomers have been so tapped in on the fuck
Hassan train that now we got political cartoonist, which is the
dying art, unfortunately, something that I hold very near and dear to my
heart my soul. I love political cartoons. So it makes me really
happy when like, you know, a 65 year old political cartoonist is
just like doodling me, I guess, as a dangerous radical. It's
awesome. I hope it's not AI, because it kind of looks like AI.
I know the other one was an AI.
My goal is one day, Ben Garrison making a video, or not a video making a cartoon about
me.
Tom Stiglitch, I mean this is so sick. This is so dope. I love this. This is awesome.
Yeah, this is the best one though. From the Las Vegas Review Journal, cartoons,
Why Democrats Defend Us on Piker. Yes, Ison is mean and bites, and is rabbit,
but basically he's a good dog.
That's so sick.
I gotta get this printed and framed, honestly.
It's funny because the establishment never guys hate you. Yeah, but it's fine. This is
clearly like a right wing boomer who wrote who made this. This makes me so you guys don't
understand how how honored I am by stuff like this. This is like I never thought young
Hassan
You know 12 years old 13 years old going the buck called the bodega
To grab a copy of a political cartoon never could have ever imagined being in a political and is an active political satire
Isn't the joke that they're that you're a rabid dog that should be put down isn't that like a joke about murdering you lol
I guess yeah, who cares it's awesome
It's awesome. I'm so, I'm honored. I want to print it. And I want to frame it.
Lemamuikusus, m'uikusus. Penguan, uikusus.
You nailed it though, article perv who likes political cartoons too, yes. I'm an article pervert. I'm a media demon.
And I am a political pervert. Let's be real. I'm a politics pervert
Penguin Luke's is the my again in a same eddie Madison the
Anyway
All right, let's get back to the news news
We haven't covered shit today, and I have to do wajahad Ali
I have to do joy and reese show at 340 and then I'm gonna have the two doctors from American doctor on here to
interview them
All right, good morning, we got a foxes alert on trade President Trump halting a 50% tariff on Canada
Well, he's so gracious have the makings of a deal and it could include a comeback
This is the day Trump became president, dude the Keystone pipeline that would be something so more of that coming up momentarily first
However, we moved to this socialists
They're swinging for the fences yet again this time in Florida the card carrying member Angie Dixon card carrying member the DSA pulling off a
Stunning upset in the Senate Democratic primary from last night. So what happened? That's it. They skipped the fucking tariff thing. They're back to
The
There's still talking about Angie Nixon who avoid sure vote. Oh
I issue a hub by the way that race is very close unfortunately
it's crazy how much money works by the way and
I'm glad that we actually offered her some support
Um the special runoff is
Is still being counted right now and Melissa Hernandez is close
close. Melissa Hernandez is very close. So Aisha Wahhab in the first run cooked, right?
She absolutely destroyed. Now this is the full race. And since then, since then APAC has dumped
insane amounts of money into this race. And of course, that level of outside expenditure
Absolutely plays a major role in these sorts of elections. They basically dump like
They dump millions of dollars into a special runoff election
Yeah, this is my local will have one back to back by 20 points in june. It's insane. Yes
But that wasn't enough
What is this, New York Times is pinning your views with al-sayed? Views you mentioned in
the middle of the article?
Um, I don't- Yeah, similar to al-sayed who'd be the first Muslim to serve in the U.S. Senate
while Hab is the first Muslim to serve in the California state legislature. What would
the discourse be like if it were different historically marginal, ethno-religious group
targeted to be kept from political representation? Yeah, Apex affiliated groups support more
than three million into the race that replace representative swaddle and california boost
melissa hernandez over asia wahab a progressive who wants to end military aid to israel wahab
is expected to win anyway three million dollars bro three million dollars apac is so aggressively
pursuing every apac is so aggressively pursuing every single muslim candidate they're not
even hiding it. They're so aggressive in their posture. They're doing it to like every anti-Israel
candidate of course, but they have an extra special level of attention on Muslim candidates
because they really just don't want any Muslim to ever be in office. It's an incredibly racist,
openly racist run.
It is very, very annoying.
next election update on california 14 is on friday uh by the way yeah
and that election right here is just for like four months there's gonna be another election
for that seat right
It's just it's incredibly frustrating.
NiericTimes.Paywall, I'll say an article with you in it.
Why is that election taking ages to count? Welcome to California, my friend.
That's just the unfortunate reality.
I don't know why that archive link did not work chatter.
Yeah, and for the record, the diaspora affairs minister saying out loud that their new strategy is no longer to appeal to concerns of anti-Semitism to go all in with the European and American right on Islamophobia.
I'm not a fan of Ophobia.
Live breaking Fox News.
What the fuck?
You feel like it's taking you for a-
Douche faster than ever.
Thank you, chatter.
Take a day off.
Um...
Anyway, yeah, so we don't have any updates on that.
I don't support the DSA agenda, as has been articulated by the DSA itself.
Now, you're going to have individual members who have been elected in Democratic primaries,
and if they are elected in the general, in November, will be part of the House Democratic Caucus.
It's going to be a broad caucus. There will be progressives. There will be New Dems.
there will be blue dogs. What I'm excited about are the candidates who are running to
flip seats in November to deliver us a majority that pushes back against Donald Trump's extremism
and moves the country in the right direction.
That was House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries on Sunday discussing the party's midterm
candidates who have aligned with the Democratic Socialists of America.
Joining us now for a debate on the subject, former New York State Mayor Bill Nablasio
and MSNOW political analyst Matthew Bartlett.
Matthew is a former Trump appointee at the State Department during Trump's first administration.
My thanks to you both for being here.
Mr. Mayor, we'll start with you.
You're not a member of DSA, not a socialist, but certainly a progressive politician.
Why do you think right now there is so much energy in that part of the party, the
real left part of the Democratic Party?
First of all, Jonathan, that part of the party cannot be blamed for the status
quo in this country. And this is really, really important. I think mainstream Democrats, unfortunately,
were identified with elitism in many ways. They were identified with complacency. They
were seen as out of touch. That's the story of 2024. If we in 2024 had had a vigorous
message of change and separating from some of the things that didn't go so well for
Joe Biden, I think we win the election, honestly. But now you've got candidates.
It helps that they are charismatic, it helps that they're young and energetic, but they
also can say plausibly, we didn't create this situation and we're offering really sharp
change.
And when you look at the polling, it's quite striking.
You know, I respect Huckin and Jeffries a lot, but I disagree with them when he said
on Sunday he wouldn't vote for Medicare for all.
That's a majority position in America now.
Higher taxes on millionaires and billionaires, majority position.
Changing our policies in the Middle East, getting out of the Iran War, majority positions.
I think these new candidates, it's not about this is what Michael from Pennsylvania could
look like.
If he fucking went through a shave and started wearing suits, I'm just saying, okay, that's
my bestie, Bill de Bestio.
Okay.
About the DSA platform, it's about, they represent actually views, that's my real
man, where the American people are.
My second and my second favorite mayor of New York after Eric Adams, obviously Eric
Adams is a very special place in my life.
or just good candidates, dynamic candidates.
So what do you say though,
there's a fear among some Democrats
that they think that the Republicans
will take these DSA members or DSA aligned candidates
and then paint, you put them up as a symbol
and say, ah, this is what the whole
Democratic Party stands for
and they paint with a broad brush
and that that gives them an easy line of attack.
I'm really sick of the handling.
Who's third?
I guess like,
I guess we could say Zoramum Donnie
is my third favorite mayor.
know he's close
he's close to juliani
in the democratic party honestly
because some of it is fear of change
he got this can is winning fair and square
and the ones who are running good campaigns are waiting mom donnie amazing
campaign last year, I think set the message of affordability for the whole country.
El Sayed won fair and square against massive resources.
Hong didn't win.
Wasn't as good a candidate.
I think we should recognize the primary process that's producing strong candidates.
And we haven't always had that.
Let's be honest, we lost in a lot of places in recent years.
We shouldn't have lost because we didn't have a sharp message.
We didn't have strong candidates.
This year may be one of the best crops of Democratic candidates, moderates and progressives.
Everyone's talking about affordability with energy that came from the left. Let's be honest about
Hong was a good candidate come on has to be LaGuardia
No, I'm talking about like contemporary mayors mayors that I've been around for mayors that I've been alive for I
Think I think Hong my my I will stand on this like the idea that Francesca Hong was just a fucking bad candidate is such an insane
statement because she as an open socialist without any fucking help from anybody other
than like myself and a few other people was able to front-run the Wisconsin gubernatorial
race for months.
The entire establishment Democrat consolidated support over and over again behind other candidates
and and kept crumbling and she was still capable of bringing out more people to
vote for in the primaries than fucking Tony Evers did so the idea that like the
idea that she was a bad candidate is a bad candidate is crazy okay it's crazy
she wasn't the strongest in the crop of DSA talent especially when it came to
being in the spotlight. All right? It's true. But her weaknesses were super simply solved,
right? All she needed was a decent new comms direction, and she would have been golden.
That's it. The best possible thing she could have done was never go on national media, right?
The second best possible thing that she could have done if she went on national media once
the campaign became a national news story, was to always reframe the issue back on affordability.
Now, silly it is that we're talking about old tweets. Who amongst us hasn't just like
had a crazy thought every now and then. The real person cancelling Thanksgiving is Donald
Trump with the affordability crisis, that kind of thing. That's it. You can finally
reconnect with the Chinese fans. By the way, Justin BDBD, China's YouTube is just launched
globally the app is already available on Android and coming soon to iOS yep I'm
already a bdbd content creator so exciting news Chinese hegemony is
coming dude it's gonna be incredible I will be up and down that motherfucker by
the way
feel like you're in a cage kind of stuck being watched because you are
There's been this mass proliferation of flock cameras, any and everywhere, little cameras
watching your every move to collect information about you without you even noticing.
That's all been part of a regime that's been pushed by, well, this guy.
Somebody must be doing something exactly right.
But who would be complaining?
Somebody whose privacy was violated.
You can't have your privacy violated if you don't know your privacy is violating,
right?
Who happens to be the guy I'm running against?
That's Mike Rogers, who wants to be Michigan's next U.S. Senator, not if I have anything
to say about it.
So if you believe like me that you shouldn't just be surveilled because you're driving
along the street, then I hope I can earn your support.
Because we've got to stand up to this massive surveillance apparatus that is being built
behind closed doors and behind our backs.
This was a better one in my opinion.
I don't believe that we can't have nice things.
I'm not willing to pre-negotiate with the opposition who tells us that it's better for us to send
our money over there to drop bombs over there than to invest in healthcare here.
And my job as your senator is to go and have that conversation everywhere and try to move
hearts and minds.
That's the job.
So how do you get it done?
You actually do the work of persuasion.
You actually go to the places where people don't expect you to show up and you have
that conversation.
And it turns out, I've been all over the state in places where people don't quote balloon,
quote, unquote.
And when you have those conversations with them, out of guy come up to me, he's like,
listen man, I don't like you, I was like, okay?
He's like, I don't want to vote for you, I'm like, okay.
He's like, I think you really want me to have health care, I was like, I really want to vote for you.
He's like, I know, so I'm gonna vote for you.
I was like, okay, so why don't you like me?
He's like, because you're listening, I was like, okay.
But I don't need you to like me.
I need you like you.
Oh God, it's so crazy.
It, that, God damn it, dude.
That makes me so sad.
Rita, thank you.
I don't like, I don't like talking about this stuff.
And I try not to, but obviously we're going to be talking about it now
Because protest and catechism is a Dearborn City Council meeting is, you know, the next
story of today.
But it is so, it's so insane that, you know, when you're, when you're a black candidate,
you just have to deal with a barrage of anti-black racism, white supremacy.
you're a Muslim candidate, you have to deal with a barrage of Islamophobia.
Just open Islamophobia, even from allies, right?
It's just so goddamn frustrating, man.
It's so goddamn frustrating that it's just, and you can't, you have to eat it.
You can't even like talk about it because then half the conversation is, uh,
is now diluted into the, have the conversation now revolves around Islamophobia. So you can't even
talk about it. You just have to eat it for the most part until it becomes so unbearable that
you just have to say something and be like, all right, enough guys, Jesus Christ.
I mean, think about it. I talked about the consultants being Islamophobic to Abdulla
sad in the primary. And then you had the same consultants yelling at me saying how dare he
bring up Islamophobia. Doesn't he want to win? I'm not supposed to say anything. Like,
it is so normalized that you can't even be like, look, I'm a Muslim American. I really
like Abdul is a Muslim American, it's kind of unbearable how much Islamophobic attacks
he's receiving.
You can't even say that without people going, shut the fuck up.
And that was a real news story that was on Fox News, that was on CBS, that was on MSNOW,
that was on Pod Save America.
What are we going to do about this guy?
Meanwhile, the consultant class were saying, Abdulla say it was being anti-Semitic to
Hayley Stevens.
Hayley Stevens is Christian.
She is not Jewish.
Like, what are we doing?
It's just busted, man.
It's broken.
broken is so ridiculous.
Just say the newsboy you can't have feelings.
It's actually working though, triple haters.
Both Ogilal Sayed and M. Rogers are viewed more negatively than favorably by most voters.
At least 31% to 45% favorable and unfavorable for Al-Sayed, 28 to 37% for Rogers.
among voters who disagree with Trump's job performance and are unfavorable towards
both outside and Rogers, the triple haters.
They lean towards outside by a 26 to 15% margin with 33% still undecided.
It's literally just because he's Muslim.
That's it.
If Abdul al-Sahed's name was Anthony Brown Sanders,
and he was a fucking white guy for Mackinaw.
Okay. And he had the exact same policies and he was advocating for the exact same shit.
This race will be like 70 30 right now. Okay. Like, what are we talking about? If Abdul
Al Sayed looked like grand platter sounded like grand platter and his name was Anthony
brown sanders. Okay. He would be doing insane numbers is crazy. And that's just the reality.
And we have to live in that reality. You can't complain about it. You can't complain about
it. And I mean this sincerely. I'm not complaining about it. I try not to. I see it. I take
it in whether I'm the victim of a similar circumstance where people rush to find reasonable
ways of saying that I'm a fucking Islamic jihadist terrorist over and over again and many liberal
outlets do this too.
Many liberal outlets do this all the fucking time.
We just gotta eat it.
You just gotta eat it.
There's an election happening.
You just gotta eat it.
There's nothing you can do about it.
Facebook is pushing Islamophobia aggressively.
It's disgusting.
There was an article that says, meta won't do a damn thing about it.
It's disgusting.
Oh yeah.
And lo and behold.
i mean part of this is because it is
the new zionist strategy the israel foreign minister on the high chickley said
it himself
we do not give as much of a fuck about anti-semitism any longer
we are focusing our efforts on boosting islam phobia
and here's a great example of this of course
he's part of the mic rogers campaign leadership is rallying without a state
J.R.A. six-terrors Jake Lang tonight in Dearborn. Will Mike Rogers disavow this? Will he?
Everybody talked about Abdullah said disavowing me. Jake Lang is a straight-up fucking Nazi dude.
Straight-up Nazi. Will the media cover it?
Yeah. After anti-Semitic white nationalist Jake Lang ran it that Muslims are
mongrel third-worlders who are multiplying like cockroaches maga pastor lorenzo swell called on church elders the lay hands on pray over an
Annoyed Lang with oil. I want to pray for jay gyal. I love that. I love you man. That's what he said
This guy is literally working the the pastor that we're talking about is literally working
With Mike Rogers like I don't have a formal position on the obdulous a head campaign and
and think about how much they talked about my involvement.
Meanwhile, Lorenzo Suel is literally Mike Rogers' campaign coordinator.
He is the faith coalition coordinator for Mike Rogers' U.S. Senate campaign.
What are we doing?
Where is the standard meet from the news media?
Where is the standard?
Where's CBS on this issue? Where's ABC? Where is MS now? Where's CNN?
Do y'all not care about this at all? And the answer is no, they don't.
It's because if you're a Republican, you get to do it. That double standard
is glaringly obvious for anyone that pays even a little bit of attention to mainstream
reporting, they know how this shit works. They see it. And this double standard is also part of the
reason why a lot of people despise mainstream outlets.
Now, let's take a look.
Oh, oh yeah, two minutes.
Well, I'm going to literally be talking about this with, uh, on the Joy Anne Reed show
right now in two minutes with Wajahad Ali.
We are going to be talking about rampant Islamophobia, fear mongering in modern politics, the attacks
against myself, as well as how people have been able to circumvent some of these attacks
and still make gains and strides.
Okay.
Let me, uh, boom.
Boom. Okay. Okay. And then audio. Mike is working.
Okay, I'm in the green room.
All right.
I'm in the green room by myself.
Watch your hotel.
He's been one of your strongest soldiers
against the media bullshit coming your way.
No, I know.
I'm in there.
I'm in there.
Yeah.
They changed my, I wrote Firebrand as my,
it's so funny.
Hey, what's going on?
Can you hear me?
Hello?
You can hear me, right?
Well, I can barely hear you.
Yeah, I can hear you.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you.
Okay, great.
I'm going to put you backstage and I'll bring you in shortly.
Okay?
Okay, perfect.
Thank you.
We're live already.
All right.
Thank you so much.
All right.
Okay.
We're waiting.
Mushy Mushy.
Okay.
Okay, we're waiting.
Mushy Mushy.
The wealthiest man on earth who gave about 300 million dollars to Donald Trump, who took
over Twitter.
And he's a man who is funneling, if you will, anti-Muslim memes and neo-Nazi propaganda
that then is used to incite riots in the UK.
I want to see this clip real quick and get your response.
Muslim?
Um, I am, I'm against, uh, having, if, if, if people are coming to a country with antithetical views, um, I, I am against that.
I, I'm against that, you know, I'm against, um, I, I, I'm against rape and murder.
I'm against the imposition of rules and laws that are contrary to what we've come to accept
in the West.
Real quick, we got it.
That's him responding to whether or not he hates Muslims.
I just want people to know that his father
is accused of raping his kids.
The New York Times did a piece that Elon Musk's own father
allegedly raped his step-brother and step-sister.
We got Hasan Piker waiting,
but I don't think he's paying attention to this.
So let me just say, well, this is important.
I'm glad I can end by saying the same thing
I said at the top.
I wrote a big piece about that.
Elon Musk interviewed the economist
who was a horrific interview.
Three things worth noting.
Number one, easiest of questions, like the slam dunk.
Are you anti-Muslim?
all he says, no, of course I'm not anti-Muslim.
I'm against extremism.
I'm against terrorism.
I'm against sharia law.
He could have done whatever talking point he wanted.
He's so racist, he couldn't even bring himself to go,
of course I'm not anti-Muslim.
He goes, ah, ah, I'm against antithetical values.
I'm against rape and murder,
as if that's what Muslims do.
Imagine somebody asks you, are you anti-Semitic?
And you go, well, I'm against murderers and rapists.
So it's a fundamentally racist answer.
He's you know, he's you can take the you can take the boy out of apartheid South Africa
Can you take apartheid South Africa out of the boy? Right? So that leads me to number two
He says I'm I think people shouldn't have antithetical values. That's you Elon Musk
You are the un-American guy. You are the anti-american
Full of election denies and white supremacy you're the one trying to wreck our Constitution
That's number two and lastly number three
I said Muslims the canaries in the coal mine Elon Musk spent the last two years attacking Muslims really lovely
But not just Muslims. We're the easiest target. We're the low-hanging fruit
But who did he do attack today? What did he say today on Twitter? He said free Derek Chauvin
Elon Musk is now a George Floyd
Homicide deny he says he was not murdered Derek Chauvin did not murder him and he should be released
This is a far-right white supremacist conspiracy theory the we all know what the medical examiner's report say
We all know what a jury of 12 people found Derek Chauvin is in prison for murder and Elon Musk is
is championing the white police officer who murdered a black man. Like I said,
we're the canaries in the coal mine. They come for us first, but it's everyone else after.
Mehdi, fantastic work. Working people are fine here, real quick.
They can find me wrong hand. Zutaya. Zutaya.com. Z-E-T-E-O.com. That's our media company.
That's how we're covering the news. Do support independent journalism,
support joy, support us, support Waj at the left hook, because the mainstream media has failed.
Mehdi, we're going to bring in the scary Hasan now.
the moderate Mehdi Hassan is leaving. As-salamu alaykum, moderate Mehdi.
Give me the gong for the scariest man on earth. This is the person that the democratic establishment
is terrified of. We're finally meeting face-to-face, digitally. Hassan Piker, the progressive
streamer who works out, and my god Hassan, you are terrifying me. Your beard, your glasses,
I mean, I feel like I have to become a communist automatically.
You are so terrifying, Hassan, that yesterday Jared Moskowitz,
who beat Oliver Larkin, who's very talented and will have a very bright future in politics,
Jared Moskowitz, Hassan, when he won. And Jared Moskowitz is a Democrat, as he says,
a Ron DeSantis Democrat. Hassan, Jared Moskowitz, instead of saying, oh,
thank you to my supporters, instead of saying thank you to my family, his first tweet.
And I double-checked this, Hassan. I'm like, this can't be his first tweet upon learning he won the primary.
Folks, this is the first tweet that Democrat Jared Moskowitz did. Wajih, show me.
My condolences to Hassan the Hun. That's your Twitter handle. Twitter handle. And also, Hassan,
I don't know if you saw it earlier today. Jared Moskowitz, the Democrat, said, you know, my
fellow Democratic Socialist colleagues, I don't know if some of them should get security
clearance. Hassan, your response to Jared Moskowitz?
Um, when political approached me and informed me about some of the other things that he had
said about how he's going to go on Abbey Philip tonight, and this is most likely his like line
of attack, he's going to use his moment in the spotlight to not only attack myself,
but also the democratic socialists of America broadly. Um, I couldn't believe it. I just,
You know, I said, I think he might have some kind of mental illness because this is, you know, this is insane.
Like you're a congressional representative, um, and you have a very tough race ahead of you in this district that was redrawn specifically to be, uh, more favorable to the Republican opposition.
And instead of worrying about that, you're, you're using your moment in the spotlight to attack a prominent critic of Israel.
who, of course, wanted someone who is more responsive to the needs of the base for the
Democrats to be elected into that seat instead of someone who was on the doge caucus, as a
matter of fact, one of the most right-wing Democrats in the country.
So, you know, I guess I am a permanent fixture in the minds of many pro-Israel Democrats
and certainly the entire Republican Party nowadays.
I think it's understandable for the Republicans to constantly worry about myself and the Democratic
Socialists of America, but I don't know why establishment Democrats do the same thing as
well when they should be spending every waking moment talking about the affordability crisis,
the endless wars that Donald Trump has brought us into and, you know, ice apprehensions
that are taking place, the kidnappings that, that are taking place all around the country,
the overwhelming corruption that we're seeing from the Trump administration.
And there are Democrats to give them credit who I wouldn't say I'm, I'm ideologically
aligned with who do that very well. John Assoff does this very well. James Talerico
does this very well. I wish they were more platform focused. I wish they were more
policy focused. I wish they were advocates for Medicare for all and universal child
healthcare and all these other things that the base is demanding. But those guys, they
do a pretty good job and they are able to win their races and hopefully they will win
their races against their Republican opposition without having to center myself, a Twitch
streamer at the heart of their commentary to showcase how, I guess, moderate their
views are or how pro-Israel they actually are in spite of the anti-Israel attitude
demonstrated by not just the democratic parties base
broadly the rest of america really
will speak about pro-israel democrat jaren moscovitz probably takes money
from a packed a b waserman schultz and carpet bagged a legion manly's florida
twenty district historically black represented uh... district now has
debbie waserman schultz she's not black
she loves her a pack money
uh... and we also know that there was one candidate
who sought israel in her dreams that was of course hailey stevens and
Haley Stevens goes on Fox and I was really happy.
Haley Stevens, you're consolidating.
Okay, get behind our boy, Abdul Alsaid.
Let's go take on Maga Mike Rogers.
Attack, attack, attack.
If someone gives you some bullshit question, you pivot.
You attack Max Miller.
You attack Randy Fine.
You attack Nancy Mace.
You attack Donald Trump.
There's so much there.
I want you to respond to this video.
Wange, hit me.
Call on Abdul Alsaid today to moderate
on any specific issues.
Well, look, it certainly makes sense to get rid of this Fassan-Piker affiliation.
You know what I would have said?
I would have said, you know what, Donald Trump is an extremist candidate.
This unwinnable war with Iran is extreme.
Him taking 900 million dollars for this ballroom is extreme.
The fact that our sailors are threatening to jump off the USS Lincoln is extreme.
The fact that MAGA has voted to cut $1 trillion from Medicaid for permanent tax cuts for billionaires
is extreme.
The fact that Donald Trump ate with Nick Fuentes, a white nationalist who loves Nazis and has
refused to condemn him, that's extreme.
She didn't say that.
She was consolidating and helping the Democrats by attacking you.
Hasan Piker, what's your response?
What gifts?
That's my response.
That's how I feel every time I see my girl Hailey.
I love Hailey Stevens.
I'm a Hailey Stevens truther.
I'm a ride or die for Hailey.
I think if we're being sincere, I think the reality of the matter is there are talking
points that APAC pays for and I think this is one of them.
There might be one or maybe a couple very wealthy donors who have decided that I am public enemy
number one.
They want to defang a prominent anti-Zionist media platform because they have falsely created
this reality that they're terrified of where I'm some sort of kingmaker or I'm a media
platform that is like responsible for why so many people are anti-Israel now.
That's not the case.
You are very tall and you have muscles, Hudson.
So yes.
yeah sure but the reality of the matter is like israel is responsible for all
of the enmity that israel is now receiving
and i think a lot of donors have basically diluted themselves in the
thinking
that
i'm somehow responsible and this is precisely the reason why they haven't
given up they they have to consolidate support behind albule but they still
haven't given up on the idea that like i'm this dangerous radical and
they're still gonna present this as an electability argument
it is what it is
i i kept repeatedly trying to explain the democrats that like
i'm obviously not going to go and a lifelong democratic voter i've never
voted for a public and i've never told my uh... my audience or my community to
ever vote for a public and i never will
uh... i oppose the republicans in sometimes my opposition to certain
centrist democrats is because of their closeness to republican policies and
how much they lean into
uh... reactionary ideology
Uh, one of the things I routinely brought up about Kamala Harris, like one of my major
criticisms beyond, uh, her, her, you know, unconditional, uh, continuation of, of Israel's
genocide of Palestinians, uh, was the fact that she was reluctant to, to release the
dead weight of the Biden campaign, right?
But the Biden presidency, um, and, and on top of that, uh, how much they leaned
into right wing framing around immigration. The idea that for the first time ever, Democrats
decided immigrants constitute a national security threat. In my lifetime, I've never heard a
Democrat say that before this last election cycle. And I thought that was very dangerous.
I thought that was electoral poison because you were basically admitting falsely, ironically
enough that there was this major problem with undocumented migrants doing crimes
when the data shows the exact opposite reality. And then you were basically teaching your base,
the base of Democrats and independents, that the Republicans were right,
that the Republicans are correct on this issue of the migrant crisis. So of course,
a lot of people were either going to stay at home because they felt frustrated,
or they were going to go and vote for the Republicans. I know many people who turned
around and said, okay, you guys yelled about a border wall for eight years and then now you want
to be the border wall party. I'm going to vote for the border wall party if that's the case.
That's hypocritical. And that's precisely the reason why a lot of people went and voted for
Donald Trump. So I want to remind people that the data has shown something. I rarely get,
I told you so. I don't have the money. I'm a middle-aged father. I don't have the muskles.
I drive a minivan. I shop at Costco. So all I get Hasan is a, I told you so. I'm trying
to help the Democratic Party. And I told the Democrats that you have to move away from the
Gaza Genocide. You have to actually embrace and acknowledge people's pain. And it wasn't just
Muslims and Arabs and Palestinians were pissed off. The Democratic base was pissed off. I begged them.
So did you. So did others at least have one pro-Palestinian speaker. The bar is so low.
It's in hell. Just bring one pro-Palestinian speaker or one Palestinian speaker to share the
stage with Rose Goldberg Poland, the Jewish mother whose son was held hostage. And later
we find unfortunate kills. You gave a beautiful speech folks. Everyone applauded. You have the
Jewish mom there, then you bring up Palestinian mom, you have them hold hands. Wonderful. They
didn't even bring one single Palestinian speaker, but they had no problem bringing on
never Trump Republicans. And Kamala Harris had no problem campaigning at least twice with Liz
Cheney, who was the number three Republican who voted with Donald Trump 92% of the time.
But until her skin literally was at risk of being killed on January 6,
That's what causes to say, okay, that's too much.
I say all this because I see the double standards
and I keep the receipts, Hasan.
This is the first time you and I were talking.
A couple of months ago, I called it.
I said, Mallory McMorough, who was a progressive,
used to come on my show until she announced
she was running for Senate and then she disassociated
with me, which is fine Mallory,
in shah-la, one day you can come back.
Mallory realized, okay, I'm running in between.
Haley, I see Israel in my dreams.
Stephens and this scary Muslim Abdul-Said.
So I'll be Timu centrist and Timu liberal.
And I paid attention.
You had campaigned for other Democrats.
She waited until you were doing one campaign
stop with Abdul-as-Said.
And then there was an avalanche of attacks.
And I'm like, oh, they're gonna weaponize Hassan Piker
and use him as a bludgeon against Abdul-as-Said
and other Democrats.
I predicted it would be the Streisand effect.
For those who don't know what the Streisand effect is,
it refers to when you wanna bury something
and then you engage your maneuvers to braid
and what it does instead brings it to light
and makes it more famous.
But talking about Islamophobia, just the subtle blame Islamophobia, used even by liberals,
we have to play this clip.
Give it to me.
C3, Wanzhi.
There's been a lot of support on the left for Abdul El Sayed.
He's been endorsed by Hassan Piker, who has millions of followers on social media, mainly
people under the age of 30.
I mentioned this because he is a very controversial figure.
And in March, you compared him to white supremacist Nick Fuentes.
Now, Piker spoke to Detroit Public Radio about that yesterday.
I want you to take a listen and respond.
There's so much diversity of choice in where people can get their news from, so people
can come to me directly and figure out what I'm actually about.
So that was one of the reasons why that smear campaign failed spectacularly.
People started looking at Abdul's campaign.
People started hearing what he was saying, and they liked it.
And lo and behold, he was in third place before this smear campaign started, and now he's
comfortably in first place.
I'm going to give you a chance to respond to that.
Certainly.
There's a responsibility for whoever we nominate as our next U.S. Senator to recognize we
have to build and expand a big tent.
My opponent made a decision to bring in Hassan shortly after there was an attack
on a synagogue here in Michigan, where a man drove a pickup truck into a synagogue where
140 preschoolers were at school that day.
And had it not been for the security measures, the ballers in place, it could have been the
largest mass killing of kids in this country's history.
Did you catch that?
Did you catch that?
Did you catch that?
What does Abdul Al-Sayed and Hassan Piker have to do with the anti-Semitic terrorist
attack?
Hassan, your response?
Well, he was Muslim, Abdul's Muslim, and I'm Muslim.
And that's it.
That's the only reason why you make a connection like that.
And that's precisely what she was doing.
And I think shortly after that interview, she actually dropped out maybe a couple
months after, maybe a couple weeks after that interview, she had to drop out.
Look, I'm happy that she's supporting Abdu'l-Alsadeh. I don't have a mean thing to say about Mallory McMoroll.
Regardless of this, uh, this kind of like heinous smear, this heinous, racist, bigoted
perspective that, that people don't even shy away from, that they demonstrate openly,
because no one cares about Islamophobia, or rather, Islamophobia is not only institutionally
permissible, it's actually rewarded. Um, and we're seeing the impact of this right now.
I mean, there was a Dearborn City Council meeting that took place yesterday and there was a guy on there
And and these people are not exactly
Fans of Jewish people either. They're very Islamophobic. They're Nazis, right? And and one of the guys was
Talking about how, you know, I I want to
Like rape white women, right? Like they were talking about how many because I made a joke about the great replacement
Which is fake. It's not real and Elon Musk has been losing his mind over it for like the past week
and promoted by Nazis.
Yeah, and this anti-Semitic
great replacement conspiracy theory is totally ridiculous.
I've made a joke about it in 2018
and Elon Musk has been highlighting this over and over again.
And some of these insane neo-Nazi
Larpers who are dressed up
in all their combat gear
are now going to Dearborn
and talking about what they're gonna do
to Muslims in general.
And unfortunately, a lot of liberal media
has also played a role in fomenting this Islamophobia.
It was Ahmachi Chikli earlier,
the Israeli diaspora minister who said
in an interview on Hebrew media
that Israel is completely given up on the,
you know, on dealing with anti-Semitism.
And they've realized that they're going to now align
with Islamophobes.
Dropsite News also had a reporting on the matter
as well from a while back
that the Israeli foreign ministry had realized that they can no longer salvage Israel's reputation.
So what they're going to do instead is foment Islamophobia and then try to move the conversation
back to, I guess, you know, the divisive nature of Muslims existing in Western civilization
and how destructive that is.
So every time I see news media hits talking about how much of a dangerous radical terrorist
I am, how fond of terrorism that I am. It reads to me as not dissimilar to what Mike Rogers
is doing. So it's very sad to see liberals, prominent liberals, people who have positioned
themselves as being against bigotry, lean into these sorts of narratives in an effort
to attack up Blu and myself.
You set me up because I'm going to talk about New York Hand and the president of
cap, the Center for American Progress. This is the Democratic think tank. This is the liberal
think tank. This is the mouthpiece of the Democratic establishment. She was also in the
Biden administration. Folks, I was the lead author and researcher of Fear Incorporated,
the Roots of the Islamophobia Network, published by Cap. One of the leading Islamophobes is
Laura Loomer, also the fluffer and advisor to Donald Trump. She's so racist, folks.
Then Marjorie Taylor Greene thinks she's racist. That's how bad she is.
You have to bring this up. C5, Wanzhi. This is near-attendant the president of KAP,
which is a voice of the Democratic establishment, who is retweeting an
Islamophobic tweet by Laura Loomer attacking Hassan Piker. Takia, ninja
Takia, was an Islamophobic trope that says every moderate Muslim is
secretly lying. And what are we lying about? Our nefarious agenda. And what's
her nefarious agenda, Sharia. So here's your attendant. She retweeted that tweet to the
right. And then on the left, she said, not a rumor fan, though I agree with her, uh,
Ukraine view, but on this, she's right. Retweeting and praising Laura Loomer, the most hateful
Islamophobes Islamophobic tweet, attacking you, Hassan, your response. So, um, I mean,
near attended mayor may not have played a role in the Hillary Rodham Clinton campaign early on
when they released to the drudge report the the famous image of barack hussein obama wearing a
turban uh that was a huge deal in the 2008 primaries uh she was a part of that campaign and that
campaign may or may not have released this uh information to drudge report right as a part
of their opposition uh research so uh she's been doing this kind of stuff for a very long time
she's an absolute mercenary, right? And a little bit of a mess. But look, I expect this. I do. It's
just not anything that we can do. There's not really anything that we can do about it. I'm sorry.
It's just the reality. This is a battle for the soul of this country, but also a little bit
of a battle to restore some semblance of democracy back to the Democratic Party. And
and there are a lot of people who are in positions of power who are trying to maintain their position of power and their pro-corporate posture
by any means necessary and yes that absolutely includes
uh... not so subtly or subtly leaning into islamophobic lines of attack against al-dilal said or
prominent figures in the media that are critical of israel
um... and that's precisely what near attended is doing because she's a mercenary she doesn't have any values that she cares about beyond the fact that she
She just wants to continue defending her comfortable sinicure.
I know you've got to go and I have a lot of questions for you.
It's the first time you and I are talking so hopefully you can come back to the Joy and
Reach show and hopefully you can come and join the left hook.
Of course.
But I want to ask you this real quick before you go and we bring on Aisha Wahab.
We have an amazing lineup.
We've got Aisha coming.
We've got Rula Jibril coming.
We've got Rashida Tlaib coming.
I'm telling you all, it's the Muslim Avengers coming to save us from the world's worst
people.
The double standard infuriates me, right?
said a lot of crazy shit. You've owned it. There's a lot of people who listen to you
like this is too weird and wild for me. You've heard the accusations. And I'm sitting here
thinking to myself, I was told by the Democrats, go talk to Joe Rogan's audience. I was told
by the Democrats, go on Bill Maher and I was just on with maybe I don't know if you
heard we brought the receipts about how he has a history of anti Arab statements
anti Muslim statements. I brought the receipt. I've kept this in my back pocket. Bring
up C four. I think I know where you're going to play. This is the great white
night. This is the man who will save us. This is the man that Democrats say can be
president. White teeth, white hair, Gavin Newsom, the governor of my home state of
California. On his podcast last year, folks, on his podcast, he invited Steve
Bannon and Charlie Kirk, where he agreed with Charlie Kirk in saying that,
yeah, Democrats were wrong in allowing transgender athletes to participate in
female college and youth sports. Real quick, Hasan, I'm gonna do a rapid
fire with you and then I want you on the back end. Have you ever promoted the
anti-Semitic replacement theory? Absolutely not. I've combated it my whole
life. Have you? Do you agree that the the Civil Rights Act was a horrible
mistake? No, absolutely not. I've also defended it and the VRA as well, which
has been gutted at this point. Do you believe that separation of church and
state is a myth and that this should be a Christian nation? Of course, of
course not. I'm secular. Do you believe black people were better off
in the 1940s during Jim Crow and segregation? No, I'm a proud supporter of a pluralistic,
diverse democracy that the United States of America represents. Everything that I just said
right now is what Charlie Kirk has said. Yeah, no, I'm very familiar. I was supposed to debate him
before he got assassinated. So and I have debated him in the past. Explain to me why every
Republican is not asked to condemn Charlie Kirk, who's now made into a prophet,
And why it's okay for Gavin Newsom to invite him on his podcast, but apparently you are the great devil
That will make the democrats lose well because he's a republican. There's a there's a major was a republican
There's a major double standard that we both recognize here
I think that's the most important one by the way even before we talk about whiteness right
He's a white man
But more importantly than that he's a republican and when you're a republican
Then you get endless amounts of favorability, endless amounts of charitability.
You can say whatever you want.
You can do whatever you want.
They own patriotism.
I mean, Donald Trump said John McCain was not a real war hero because he got captured
and he likes his war heroes not captured.
And people didn't really care about that at all.
Meanwhile, if I'm even remotely critical of military action in Iran, like blowing
up the Minab girl's school in Iran, all of a sudden I'm a dangerous anti-American radical,
I'm a terrorist. So yeah, that background certainly plays a major role. And I think last but not
least, it's because I'm very critical of Israel. I'm a very prominent critic of Israel. I'm an
avowed anti-Zionist. I've combated anti-Semitism my whole life and will continue to do so.
But also I believe that Zionism and Judaism are totally different things. I don't think
these are inseparable concepts in the way that it's presented by the likes of Nick Fuentes
as inseparable concepts and by the likes of Jake Tapper ironically enough and that is what really
frustrates a lot of people and that's why there's almost this bipartisan line of attack that I'm
receiving over and over again as this scary dangerous radical Islamist jihadist that's what
the Republicans say and then the Democrats will say well we got to hand it to these
Republicans. I mean, he is definitely far too radical. He is definitely far too radical.
We should just cut this guy out. I'm a lifelong Democrat. I have a community full of lifelong
Democrats and many people who were former Republicans who are now socialists themselves
who are, you know, voting for Democrats all up and down the ballot all around the country.
And I think the real problem is they can't avoid us anymore. We're becoming undeniable.
We're becoming an undeniable force in American politics.
So in a last act of desperation, I think they're trying to defang at least one element of this
independent media by, you know, constant bullying and by active demands of deplatforming.
It's just not going to work, hopefully.
And I'm not going to be intimidated and I'm going to keep saying the truth no matter
what.
That's what Charlie Cook would have wanted.
That's why I carry the flame.
I got Dr. Aishah Wahhab waiting backstage, a very quick last question for our litigator.
Are you going to sue Scott Jennings?
Yeah, we're working on litigation right now with Scott Jennings.
What he did was unacceptable and I think it's a part of the Republican midterm strategy
as Axios reported that they are just going to keep clipping me out of context.
If it's within the realm of reason, if it's just like negative framing, that's
one thing, but completely taking something that I was reading, something that I'm unconditionally
in opposition to, something as heinous as like claiming that I want to go back to a time when
lynchings were happening and that that was good. The fact that that was what Scott Jennings and
Fox News actually went with without even double checking their sources and leaned into that
opposition research is is unfathomable and i think someone has to push back against these
lies at some point
so away hassan
so away
uh... come back anytime that's a son parker thank you sir
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Ladies and gentlemen, it's a great honor to have uh two brave
doctors that uh went to gaza and were in the crosshairs of israel
as they as they tried to sew up the victims of Israel's genocide to the best of their ability
They are also on the movie American documentary American doctor
We have dr. Thyrat Ahmad and for rose Sidwa back for a second time as a matter of fact for roses here again
First time you were here. There was another camera in the room. Yeah, and apparently that made it to the American doctor
The documentary that's out in select theaters in the United States and also Canada. Thank you so much for coming guys. And thank you for all your brave work.
Very excited to have you. It's a real honor to have you here. You know what? Let's start with the trailer. Also, you turned off my cams for some reason, Hannah.
Okay, we turned it back on. We're good. All right, let's start here.
Thank you for what Gaza looks like when a hospital is totally overwhelmed.
You're getting waves of patients.
Will you prioritize?
What do you have to treat them?
Got no pain medicine to give the people whose legs have been blown off.
Three surgeons all working on one little girl for what, two and a half hours?
And she's probably going to lose her right leg, left leg, and her left arm.
If she's starting to wake up, let's get her warm.
As a Jewish physician, I knew nothing about Gaza.
Like most Americans, I thought everybody out here were nothing but terrorist
because that's what I was told.
I'm not Israeli, I'm not Palestinian,
I'm not Christian, I'm not Muslim, I'm not Jewish.
I don't really have any connection to it.
But as an American,
I just don't want my government involved in crimes.
I'm a Palestinian, I'm not a spokesperson,
I'm a human being, I'm a US doctor
who wants to see babies like my babies
not be killed anymore.
What surprised me most was how
the carnage was focused on journalists,
health care workers and children.
This bomb...
What was that?
That bomb hit the building.
There was a 15-year-old kid ready for discharge.
That was incinerated.
If I had gone down and been changing that kid's dressing,
there would have been three bodies and I would have been one of them.
When they hit a hospital,
that's a deep tragedy that people will feel in the community
or the foreseeable future.
We're just asking that hospitals not be targeted.
Why that conversation is derailed in the United States is beyond me.
We do not have to accept that as Americans.
The United States could stop sending jet fuel, bombs,
all sorts of weapons.
This is a political problem, we need a political solution.
We're good here. We talk intelligently and I talk emotionally.
It's on us to make sure that their stories are told.
I couldn't go to Fulaskin. I got rejected.
And then I come back to the United States and get detained by the Department of Homeland Security.
This is what my tax dollars did.
What your tax dollars did.
What my maver's tax dollars did.
They have the right to know the truth.
For those the right one to listen to.
He is about fairness and he is about doing the right thing.
You know we're not dating, right?
You don't have to talk me up this much.
I just met her a few minutes ago.
Yeah, it's from Watermelon Pictures and it's available in select theaters in the
United States and Canada. Uh, I'm going to briefly intro both of you guys.
It's going to be awkward cause I'm doing it while you're right here.
But Dr. Tyra Ahmad is a policy and American emergency medicine specialist
based in Chicago in April, 2024.
He made international headlines when he directly confronted President Joe Biden
in a private White House meeting,
handing him a handwritten letter from an orphaned eight year old girl in Rafa
before walking out in protest of continued American military aid to
Israel. And Pharoah Sidwell who's been on the broadcast before is a
trauma, acute care, and critical care surgeon from North Carolina who has
authored some of the most searing forensic accounts of the war, including
organizing a 99 signatory open letter to the White House,
and a landmark New York Times survey of 65 healthcare workers documenting
children shot in the head and chest. Both of you guys, alongside
Jewish American orthopedic surgeon Dr. Mark Perlmutter,
are the primary subjects of this new documentary titled American Doctor, directed by Posie Tang,
which premiered at Sundance and is currently being released by Watermelon Pictures.
This was, of course, filmed under treacherous conditions, under genocidal conditions, under
direct bombardment inside the Khamunis Nasser Hospital. By local cinematographers, the film
tracks you guys from emergency wards lacking basic anesthesia to the halls of Capitol Hill,
still exposing what happens when American doctors return home to tell the truth about
what our tax dollars are funding.
I personally find it very interesting that it featured three totally separate realities
coming together, right?
Realities of social conditioning.
Dr. Pearl Mutter is a Jewish American doctor.
So that totally shaped his perspective on Israel, your Palestinian.
shaped your experience going into Gaza and then coming back from Gaza as well because I know that
there were some issues allowing you in to your ancestral homelands ironically enough and you
are your Zoroastrian right? Is that true? I was born that way but okay so like that's
you know that's it's three totally unique American perspectives from all around the country
And you guys are united by your your your follow-through on the Hippocratic oath
You want to save lives you want to help people and and you find yourself in in Gaza and then after that you're your struggle
And your work continues you come to the United States of America and you find out that the depravity doesn't end with the actions of Israel
Our own government is is also turning a blind eye to these atrocities
So yeah
Let's start here
So post thing is not here, so I'm going to skip the question that I was going to direct
to her.
But I'm going to ask you guys, post said she wanted to make a real life medical drama
like Pitt or Grey's Anatomy, except it's set in Gaza.
So how did your experiences, like what were you expecting to experience when you actually
got to Gaza and how did your lived experiences change? How did your expectation get subverted
by reality? I mean, I've been going to Gaza, the West Bank,
all of Palestine for over 15 years. In 2009, the Israelis carried out Operation Cast Lead.
They killed 1,200 Palestinians. 300 of them were kids. And I entered through Egypt at
that time. I thought that was the worst thing I'd ever seen. I mean, it's really
what made me go to medical school, this idea that you could potentially do some help when
there is this really sophisticated army deciding it's going to turn its guns and its weapons
towards kids.
And I will tell you, Hasan, since then, I went multiple times to Gaza.
When I entered in 2024, it was unrecognizable.
I mean, you're coming in through Rafah between the border between Egypt and Palestine, and
it's a tense city in what's usually a rural town.
And there's no electricity anywhere.
And you know the bombs are just so close we both have worked in different conflict settings.
I mean I've been in Syria, I went to Lebanon, and then you know Jordan.
We know how it is to operate when there's a war.
This was too close.
I mean every time a bomb drops the building is shaking.
You hear the gunfire, it's blocks away.
And it's just another, it just shows you that the Israeli military was operating in
heavily in a densely populated area and it was willing to have as many civilian casualties
as possible. In fact, I think we both would argue that that was part of the objectives
of the wars, to make the casualties so heavy and a number so high that either Palestinians
would be ethnically cleansed or they would die in their homeland.
Yeah, you know, like for me, I've been, I've also been involved, and I was in poor
Palestinian obviously, but I was, I've been involved with the Israel-Palestine
conflicts since I was 18. And I think I started editing books on the topic in 2004. So I think
up from like, you know, 19, I guess, probably 69 or 70 up until 2004, I'm pretty sure I've
read every human rights report in the English language on that that's never come out.
And and plenty of them since then. So I knew about the shooting of children, I knew
about the shooting of civilians. I knew about, you know, and especially after Castle, like you
mentioned, you know, like Human Rights Watch had a report called White Flag Killings, where they,
you know, very just mirror, very matter-of-factly described the killing of, I forget, you know,
several dozen families walking down the street with white flags, almost exclusively women and
children. And so I knew that that was going on, but then seeing it in person at European
in the hospital when I was there the first time,
March and April of 2024,
which was just a month after you, right?
And you were at NOSRA at that time, yeah.
But seeing it in person and, you know,
I kept a diary while I was there.
And then when I left, maybe like a few weeks later,
a Washington Post reporter asked me for the diary.
So I was like, sure.
And I hadn't even thought about it at that time.
But so she asked me, how many children did you see shot
while you were there?
And I was like, I don't know.
So I went through and counted it in 14 days,
really 13 days of clinical work.
I saw I recorded that I saw 13 kids shot in the head of the chest
And I probably saw more but I there were times when our hands were like sick like soaked in blood couldn't pull your phone
I had to record something so
Yeah, seeing that up close
It definitely does something to end but more more importantly knowing that you're responsible for it. You know, we're paying for it
We're we're funding, you know, we're funding it. We're providing the arms or providing the diplomatic support
That's that's what that's what gets to me
You know one thing I'll tell you that really it still sticks with us and we were both I work in a trauma center in Chicago
He works in Stockton. We see trauma all the time
But when the hospital gets overwhelmed like that and they're just dropping bodies off onto the floor
It's you know that the the attacking of human dignity is so tough to deal with
I mean we have so many moments where you're just kind of sitting there and thought it could be any the Canadian
ER doctor. He said something once and it really it broke my heart because it's
exactly what I was feeling and he articulated it in a way he said you
know all the humanity that you can give all that compassion that you can give
in Palestine and Gaza it can only happen after the patient is already dead.
So these kids that they're laying on the floor of the ER these 10 year olds
these 11 year olds you know the whole time you're trying to work on them
and you're just being so aggressive and it's almost feels so so violent
and then when you realize that they're dead and there's nothing that you
can do you kind of that's the moment where you realize your own humanity and
you're trying to give some sort of love or compassion but they're already gone I
mean this is that was recurring every single day Gaza we had a we had a kid
that but they're four and five 14 years old he he was brought in with like the
most extensive pelvic injuries you can imagine and I did like the operation I
dead on him was the most extensive operation camera angles and he's definitely going to die
there's no way he's gonna live it's like it would be hard for him to live at like you know
you know USC or a mass general but in uh but here in Gaza he's clearly gonna die but he was
was also awake. So it was like, what do we do? Do we just put him in a corner and let him
die? Because he's not bleeding anymore. So he's going to die of sepsis in three days. Versus
do we take him to the OR because they don't, they're not going to just like, what do you
not going to like inject him with drugs to kill him? You're not going to strangle
him. So like, it's like you're saying you, it's all, there's almost no dignity
in humanity until death relieves you of, of your worldly ability to feel. It's
just, it's, it's a wild place. It really is.
Dr. Tahr, despite holding the same American medical credentials and board certifications
as your colleagues, you faced severe bureaucratic hurdles, bureaucratic obstruction and repeated
entry denials by Israeli authorities when you attempted a return on subsequent medical
missions.
You were also harassed when you returned to the United States.
How does the political screening of healthcare workers function as a tool to seal off
Gaza and eliminate independent witnesses. Yeah, I mean, that's that's all a part of the that's all
a part of the objectives here. You know, I think one thing and you had one of them on your on your
stream actually Big Mo from the Middle East. Yeah, he's the man. Yeah, I've had multiple now. I mean,
I got I got one of you guys elected in the office. We're a cohort now of people that we've been
been working together trying to organize, but we have a subgroup of Palestinians who are
healthcare workers who all of us on this WhatsApp group now have continuously been denied.
And you know, there was a point now, and this was, I actually get, I actually get really
frustrated talking about this, but there was a moment in 2024, late 2024, all of these
nonprofits and NGOs that were saying, Hey, we need doctors, let's bring them in. They
would have a line in there. And they would say, not if you're, if you have any Palestinian
ancestry or heritage do not apply with us because you're going to get rejected. And so that was a
part of the, that's literally a part of the scheme. That was an official communication coming from the
World Health Organization. Yeah, like if your dad or your mom or your grandparents are Palestinian,
you cannot come in. I mean, reading that, I just like the thing that's so frustrating about it is
like it's so obviously an apartheid. It's so obviously a fascist ethno supremacist formation
that we're funding and facilitating unconditionally. And there are so many liberals who defended
and they even defended when they find out about the truth as well. So I wonder like how do you
guys, how do you guys feel after seeing it with your own two eyes? I mean, you obviously
have experienced it in your history as well. But how does that make you feel the denial?
Do you have conversations with people still who will act as though it's not real?
I mean, to be honest, this is something that all Palestinians grow up with. It's just kind of,
and honestly, I'll be 100% real with you right now. I sort of accepted it and internalized
it to an extent. I was like, it is what it is. We would go to the West Bank and I remember
My wife was pregnant and my mom's in this car and we'll go to a checkpoint and they'd be like you guys are Palestinians
You have to get down and you have to walk
Through the you know all of these different areas anybody else who's not Palestinian
You can stay in the car and you can pass through and it was like hey
That's just the reality. It is what it is
You know like this is what it is if I'm gonna go to this part of Palestine
I may be subjected to checkpoints
These people are separated from us people in Gaza never made it to the West Bank people in the West Bank never made
It's a Gaza. Nobody's making it into Jerusalem. And we kind of internalize this. So I mean, for me, it's something I think about.
I was like, Oh, I just sort of accepted this reality. I don't know what you think about it. What do you think about it?
You know, I am as a former Zoroastrian.
Not former. Just just an agnostic Zoroastrian.
But yeah, you know, actually, I guess that angle is kind of interesting. Zoroastrianism and Judaism have
a quite close history, actually. The Jews were enslaved in Babylon, and then Cyrus the Great was
the emperor of a Persian empire, which was a Zoroastrian empire. He invaded Babylon, took the city,
actually freed the Jews, and repatriated them to Jerusalem and built the second
temple from the Persian treasury to replace the one that, I guess, the Romans had destroyed.
And there's actually this thing that's I think maybe misleading but still it's called the the first declaration of human rights
Was a tablet that was issued by Cyrus
Declaring that the Jews have the right to worship and you know, I just based some basic rights and there's a copy of that
That's sitting outside the UN Security Council, you know, and it's it's like it's the plaque
I can't remember the exact words on it
But it says, you know, this is one of the first, uh, recognitions of universal rights and that, that people, all people have the same rights regardless of who they are, regardless of where they are, you know, that, um, seeing that, seeing that so shockingly transmogrified into this psychotic, you know, apartheid is not, is not even, it's not the wrong term because it's not harsh enough.
You know, like the African National Congress, the people that fought apartheid, very, they'll still say it today, are just, they're adamant, they're like, no, the poor's never did anything like this to us, and this is crazy.
And you know, it's really a shocking thing to see in person. I remember the first time I was in, I lived in Israel from 2004-2005. I was in Haifa working with a Palestinian Jewish cooperative there.
there and I would tour around in the West Bank and I was going I think from
Nablus to Genine in a shared taxi with three other guys. I think I told you the
story before and we get out we get to a checkpoint the checkpoint outside of
Genine and the Israeli soldier he's this big kind of chubby dude with a
mustache like a career guy not not a young reservist. He orders all of us
out of the car so okay we get out of the car and you know it's all this is
all in like Hebrew and Arabic but he says you know I'm gonna check your
And then you take one step over and stand here. It's like literally there's only four of us
It's not hard to keep track, but whatever so he looks at my passport
And he's like, you know, whatever this guy's an American and then he looks at the other three and then the last guy
Who's probably 19 or 20? He's like, you know, he's like he checks his ID and he says move over one step
And the guys like I don't want to move over one step. You check my ID. What's what's the problem?
He's like move over one step and no
I don't want to move over one step and so they like start shoving each other
I'm like, shit, this is getting bad.
So I got between them and I looked at the Palestinians like, call us, call us.
Like, just, you know, stop, it's okay.
And then I was turning around to say, like, it's okay to the
Israeli guy in Hebrew.
It's like a besetha besetha.
He just clocks me and my, like I had glass at the time they flew off.
I like went down, um, to one knee and I kind of just, you know, I was scared.
I didn't know what to do.
So I just put my hand up like this.
And then I think he realized that he hit the American.
He was like, oh crap, I better stop.
So he just threw all of our IDs on the floor and walked away.
And the, um, when we got back in the car, none of them even thought
this was weird. You know, like, like, you know, like it wasn't even like, and I was
about there, I was 21 or 22 at the time, like, none of them thought anything of this. And
I was like, holy, like this is just, it's just, uh, it's inescapable when you're there.
Yeah. And that was those 20 more than 20 years ago.
By the way, Big Mo just had a baby named him Fay is got his wife out of Gaza. Yeah.
But there's a, you know, you talk about apartheid, there's like a real non zero
chance that his son may never be able to visit Gaza ever, even though his mom and his dad are from Gaza.
So, I mean, that's like, that's just the reality of it. We can say, you know, apartheid and ethnic
cleansing, but this is how it plays out. Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's unbelievable that it's,
uh, it's, it's something that we learn about in history books about like my whole life. I've
been taught like this is a heinous crime. This is, this can never be repeated never again.
And then it's being repeated in broad daylight in front of our eyes.
it's the first ever live stream genocide and and so now now we understand why or
how German society turned a blind eye to the chimney smoke and the ashes that
that covered these cities when people talked about it where there's there's
no plausible deniability in this circumstance and yet you know people
see it and some people even demand more of it in those institutions back then
and were quiet about this.
Many of the same institutions now,
like the professional societies and the different governments
and even some of the religious sort of groups,
they all were quiet when it happened then.
And to no one's surprise,
they're quiet when it's happening in Gaza, Palestinian.
Yeah, absolutely.
So your fellow volunteer surgeon,
we just talked about him, Dr. Adam Hamoui,
US Army combat veteran, infamously saved Tammy Duckward,
Duckward's life in Iraq
before volunteering alongside medical teams in Gaza
recently won the Democratic Congressional primary in New Jersey 12th District on an
explicit platform of health care not bombs. As physicians who have spent years attempting
to lobby an obstinate Congress from the outside, what does it mean for your movement to see
a frontline medical colleague break through the party establishment to take a seat inside
the halls of power? Does that give you a little bit of confidence?
It gives me hope. I mean, to be honest, and you're also a Palestinian, so it's
like doubly, I'm interested to hear what you think about all the anti-zionists running
up for office and winning.
It's I never thought in my life that we would be in this sort of position to see this sort
of platforms and policies, even the discourse, people talking about APAC being dirty money.
I mean, I think there's a chance, I don't know, I would love to hear actually what
you think.
I think there's a chance that the Democratic nominee in 2028 may be running on a, I'm
not taking APAC money platform.
Oh, that's a guarantee.
I said that on CNN and everybody got mad at me and I was like, yeah.
To me, that's like, it literally, I mean, you know, I'm getting goosebumps just thinking
about that.
I never thought that that was possible.
But when you were here, when you sat in this room, did you think that a year after that
conversation, we would have a frontline medical worker that, you know, came out of
Gaza and ran for office and won or the number of different like openly anti-Zionist
politicians that have actually won their, one, one seats of power in the Democratic
party. I mean, they're obviously there's a lot of backlash. I'm sure you guys have seen. Yeah. I have
become somewhat of a controversial figure. Unfortunately, but you know, it is what it is.
But it is a there is unimaginable progress being made here. I mean, look, Angie Nixon just won
yes, the Florida, Florida. Yeah. And that's another statewide race. Just like, and she has
is a very similar platform. Nob, you just want in Michigan and I never in my life would
have ever thought that someone like that would win a primary and then go on morning Joe the
next day and they say, well, are you going to forego weapons? Are you are you in favor
of denying weapons on transfers to the state of Israel? And she goes, yeah, I am.
Absolutely. Yeah. Like that's it. I mean, it's such a normal position when you understand
the severity of the crisis when you're like, this is a genocide. Of course we have to do
an arms embargo. We should do accountability, right? And yet it's still unbelievable in comparison
to even a year ago, two years ago, or certainly 10 years ago.
It's also a natural position if you're a politician and you actually think that what
people believe matters, you know, like if you like even leaving it like suppose you
have no morals whatsoever. If you want to get elected and you're paying any
attention to the United States, not just like in other words, if you think that
people matter, not the money that you actually, that's the money, not only
that people are winning, like Nixon in Florida, is it right? Yeah,
I just saw, I think I saw, if I'm remembering these numbers correctly, I
think she spent just shy of a million dollars and I think her opponent spent
almost 17 million. No, he fundraised 17 million. I think he spent like
five million even so like a five to one spending ratio used to guarantee just
total obliteration Abdul al-saeed or 12 to one it was is that what it was yeah
these are wild numbers you know so um that's that just shows and you know on
top of that the um I was just listening to an interview with those the two
guys that wrote the book Israel's Lobby recently yeah they were they were
pointing out that like and they're correct most of the Israel Lobby ads and
stuff like that. Don't even mention Israel anymore. It used to be that they would just
be like, this guy doesn't support Israel. And I was like, oh my God, how can they not support
Israel? You know, now it's like, we better not mention that he doesn't support Israel
because that would be doing work for him. Like that would be supporting his candidacy.
I think the crazy, crazy stat because I think I remember seeing this in the New
York Times as well. Since 2022, there has not been a single APAC or APAC subsidiary
ad that has mentioned Israel at all. Wow. I can believe it. Yeah. It's always like, oh,
this is a bad Democrat. If you're in the primary, they say like, that's what they did with Wesley
Bell, Corey Bush. Yeah. The first time around when, uh, when it was like the historic, uh,
primary expenditure, there was not a single mention of Corey Bush's position on Israel.
Yeah. And then after that victory comes for the, you know, APAC candidate,
then they'll glow. Right. And they'll be like, Oh yeah. Being pro-Israel is good politics.
Yep. Yeah. But this is what bothers me though. And you're dealing with this. This is why I don't
understand. Look, Fox News is watching you like a hawk. I get it. You know, you might appear tonight.
Yeah, it's all good. It's all good. But what bothers me though is the Democratic Party,
the establishment, they're still making the same mistakes that they made in 2024.
And this idea that they can just somehow bully this like populist progressive movement.
I mean, are they going to make the same mistake in 2028 where they're going to shove a candidate
down our throat who has bad politics and policy in general, but also on Palestine? I mean, that's
you know, this is this could be a disaster. We're talking about a Vance or a Rubio presidency
because the Democratic establishment doesn't can't read the room. No, I'm not. I'm not worried
about that. OK, why? Because look, I look at again, last time for Rose was here. I look at
where I was mentally and where I thought about like American politics was heading and where we are now.
That happened in less than two years. I remember getting kicked out of the DNC for calling out the
after being invited as a creator for Kamala Harris. I got kicked out of the DNC while a New
York Times reporter was sitting next to me in front of 70,000 live viewers. I lost my credentials
because I criticized the democratic national committee and the convention for not having
a Palestinian speaker. And the final straw was when I compared them to Israel, because
they were lying. They were, they were lying about how like, you know, Ruba who is, is
part of the, or was at the time part of the uncommitted movement, like had not sent in
their speech ahead of time. And I was like, Oh, just like Israel, they're lying to
the media. And that was the straw that broke the camel's back. They were like,
You gotta get out of here. Um, and I remember feeling so discouraged about like where when I heard Kamala Harris say we're gonna have the most
Muscular military mostly
Yeah, um
That was two years ago. Yeah, that was only two years ago now
Everyone can't stop talking about DSA and all these like anti Zionist winning
These these crazy victories all around the country
And and therefore I mean two years from here on out
Especially when some of these guys I mean look at Zoran right like he has delivered on his agenda on his promises
He is
He's done a tremendous amount of work in terms of like normalizing some of the sentiment as well
Being brave at times when it's necessary to say I'm not going to Israel in that New York
Primary debate that was a huge moment. There was a real turning point right in in messaging in mainstream news
All of that is building on this movement.
All of that is building on this movement that centers the interest of the working class.
So yes, I do think that 2028, judging by our trajectory, by the exponential growth of this
movement, by all of these compounding victories, 2028 is going to have a much more positive
outlook, I think.
Oh, nice.
Yeah, I'm ready.
You got me.
You're going to be psyched up now.
Yeah.
Ready to do some door knocking.
Yeah, no.
I don't foresee the 2028 Democratic primary victor being pro-Israel in any way shape or
form. It's going to be treated like abortion. Like would you expect the 2028 Democratic primary
winner to be restrictive in abortion in any way shape or form? No, right?
No chance. Yeah.
And I think Israel will be viewed in the same exact partisan manner.
There are obviously a lot of, you know, growing pains in the process.
These guys cannot contend with this reality shifting. They're so comfortable. They're so used to
You know posture arrogantly and make
Maximilist demands and have a lot of those demands get
Get satiated and fulfilled
So that's why there's a lot of backlash right now and they're you know
They're like, oh, we'll just purchase tiktok and then we'll make tiktok pro is real. Okay. That didn't work
But like, you know, we'll we'll go after prominent critics of Israel. We'll just like tar and feather them at first as anti-semites
Okay, that doesn't work then we move down
You know, we we move down the line now we're now they're just calling me every name in the book
Yeah, and unfortunately a lot of Democrats are also leaning into it as well, but what was the what was the come?
I'm sorry to ask you this but what was the context of they had asked Bernie about Abdul?
Yeah, right. I mean, what's the deal with it though? I just don't understand it. Honestly, I was very disappointed like what was a Bernie saying?
Oh, that was he wasn't even responding to Abdul campaigning with me. He was responding to the America's Air 9 11 comment. Oh, thank gosh
I clipped it and no because he then moves on the defend me. He's like, oh, he's on the radio
thousands of hours
I'm sure you've said something stupid in your hundreds of hours on CNN with the with the media, of course
You know clipped it okay like oh Bernie did that no Bernie Bernie and I are we're still good. Okay. Okay. That's on
On everything but that's still that's still on yeah
And you know, it's not even just popular opinion, but you know actually the this movie American doctor
It actually got picked or what's called the nearer times into the critics choice
That's like inconceivable even just a year or two ago, you know
totally inconceivable actually the we just want we open the movie in Toronto as
well the Globe and Mail which is like a hundred times worse than even like the
Wall Street Journal when it comes to this even they actually gave it a
critics pick and so like I think a lot of them I think a lot of are like Mark and
I were on Amanpour show this morning you know that's like and you know he and
I were on Amanpour show in probably like April of 2024 maybe maybe may
She's like a little bit more woke than the rest. Yeah, she is but yeah, and she yeah
She's she's an intelligent woman and she's a fair interviewer, you know, so fine
But like when we were on there, you know, two years ago
The it wasn't her interviewing it was it was somebody substituting for her but every single thing we said, you know
I saw kids shot in the head. Oh CNN kind of independently verify this
I saw people starving CNN cannot independently verify this that that was just the constant thing and then
And then PBS took it down from their website, like nobody wanted to touch this.
Now Amunpour herself just tweeted out part of the conversation that we just had, so things
have definitely changed.
Not enough yet, but we got to keep pushing and we got to hold our...
We can't make the same mistake that we did with Obama, which is like elect him and
then go home.
It's got to be people have to keep their whole politicians accountable.
And if we do that, you know, there's only up to go, you know?
So going back to the Capitol Hill side of this conversation, because you guys obviously
pushed a lot when you came back, that's also part of the documentary as well.
Documentary files are transitioned from operating rooms to, you know, under artillery fire
to the halls of Congress and always Capitol Hill.
What was the psychological cognitive dissonance of leaving an active mass casualty zone,
a commercial flight and then walking into congressional offices where staff members
treated the destruction of hospitals as, you know, routine legislative bargaining and also
saw you guys as somewhat of a nuisance really. Yeah. And they were dismissive and sometimes
they were combative depending on which office you were visiting. I mean, you're talking to
over 200 Americans that have gone and volunteered in Gaza and we all have the consistent testimonies
of what we saw, the destruction, the targeting of children,
just this absolute mayhem and it's through time and space and you've got maybe like a 21 year old
in front of you for a certain office just telling you like well you know the senator or the congress
person there is uh they're a steadfast ally of israel and that's not going to change i just told
you all of these kids are getting slaughtered in this massive amount of numbers and that's the
only thing that they could say it was it was brutal i mean i think we would get we would go
there and we would just keep trying and trying and trying and it demoralized us i think
That's why Adam ran he's like these people are not gonna change. They're not gonna listen to what's happening here
We've got to replace them. Yeah, so I'm glad that he I'm glad that he did that
Yeah, and I'm glad that young people are running, you know, like I like I'm 44 like I'm I feel like I'm too old to be in Congress now
Like it's like like, you know, like people younger than me
I mean Adam's a little older than me, but like people younger than me are running and they're just like no
We don't accept this, you know, there is no
It's not a law of the universe that Americans have to subsidize the mass murder of children
That is not, there's no, it's not a lot of like gravity or, you know, what, that's not a thing.
There's no, that's not keeping anyone safe. There's no reason we have to do that. Yet we are.
Throw these people out of office, you know, or, you know, that there was, um, there was this, uh,
was it the New Yorker? Then it was in New York, the New Yorker, uh, this, like, uh, you know,
Anthony Blinken and Brett McGurk and Lloyd Austin and, uh, Jake Sullivan and all these,
I forget Kamala Harris is the security advisor guy. All these people saying, you know,
Oh, we we were our M.O.S. Hoechstein. You know, these people. Oh, we we regret not doing more trying to read the curve
Israel's excessive of response to the October 7th set
Yeah, yeah, no these people should not be brought back into power
You know other people need to need to step up a 100 and we need to put them in the position to do so
Yeah, and they they kept
Defending it well into the Trump administration Brett McGurk has a standing contributor slot
And he, I saw him with my own two eyes, with my own two ears, speak endlessly about how positive it was that Trump was involved in Gaza in a similar manner to the Democratic Party, and how this was like following the trajectory of Biden.
He even talked about the Iran War in a similar manner initially.
hosted hosting hosted he said, uh, you know, if Biden was reelected, we were actually thought
we actually thought we were going to have to attack her on two, we're talking about
it.
He said the hell out of here, like that you're crazy.
That means you're psychotic.
Like the fact that that really, I mean, that that's maybe people don't get how crazy
these things are, but like that means you're nuts.
Yeah.
Go away.
Yeah.
I mean, that's I'm glad that there are so many different things like documentaries
coming out or different pieces of art coming out or the fact that you you're streaming
and stuff. It's like, we've got this documented for the historical record. Jake Sullivan can
give any speech that he wants at Harvard trying to distance himself. But at the end of the
day, I met with Jake Sullivan, and he was defending these allegations about what these
hospitals were used for to a person that's been in every hospital in Gaza.
Yeah. It's kind of crazy because I mean, I'm sure you guys remember at the time
You had USAID reports coming out that was showcasing the atrocities to vary the crisis
and the famine-like conditions that were taking place.
And that's an automatic, that's so like unconditionally a war crime that numerous people who were
very positive about Israel, including the leader of the Human Rights Watch, once they
saw famine, they were like, it's over, this is a genocide.
This is, you know, definitely a genocide, right?
And yet those reports were cast aside by Anthony Blinken.
Or even altered.
Yeah, yeah.
That's why Stacey Gilbert resigned.
That's like that, Anil, what's her last name?
Rodriguez, I think.
That's why she resigned.
Like there were lots of people in the technical departments
at the state and USAID, at least at state,
who resigned and said, no,
That's not what our report said. We clearly said, yes, Israel is blocking American-funded aid to Gaza.
Yes, it is illegal to keep arming these people. And then you had the, like you mentioned,
like the testimony of 99 American, when do 99 American healthcare workers, including the two
of us, and Mark and Adam and plenty of others, when do 99 American healthcare workers write
the president of the United States a letter saying, we saw atrocities committed by an
an American ally with American weapons and get literally no response, like nothing, no
response at all.
And that's wild.
And I think people should know that as doctors, the different specialties that we have, we
all hate each other.
We think we're all...
So the fact that we, honestly, the fact that we can come and agree on certain things,
but that is miraculous, honestly.
And the fact that it was ignored is nuts.
One thing I'll say is we can all agree that Huckabee is a racist lunatic.
He hates the idea of Muslims or Palestinians and he doesn't even like Palestinian Christians.
But Biden's ambassador to Israel, Jack Lew, is also a horrifying figure.
That famine early warning system report, this guy got the report.
It says there are famine conditions in the north of Gaza and he's trying to argue that
the population calculations are wrong.
The famine early warning system is part of USAID and it was, yeah.
Are you out of your mind that you are saying that, oh, there's chance that people are hungry
and dying from hunger?
I'm going to argue the numbers instead of saying, let's get some food in.
Who cares if it's not at the level of famine, if you want to argue that.
But get some food into these people.
It's clear that they're starving to death.
Yeah.
Speaking of Mike Huckabee, I got to show you guys this.
So this is the new line of defense.
It's somewhat of a testament to the fact that this, this like unconditional support
loyalty concept is kind of falling apart that now the the question is do you suffer from Israel
derangement syndrome oh man and uh mike huckabee says this is hilarious and very well done let's
take a look at the video real quickly i'm not going to like bother you with uh with the entire
thing because it's gross and disgusting um all right everyone boy and girl israel is committing
genocide right now and you people are cutting a cake do you or someone you love suffer from
Israel Derangement Syndrome?
My wife says I never listened to her.
At least I think that's what she said.
We're giving Israel almost four billion dollars of our tax money every year!
Why are you silent on this? Are you funded by them too?
Israel Derangement Syndrome.
So, what's funny about it is like, they're trying to present it as like,
Oh, why do you care about this thing so much?
And it's so funny.
From my perspective at least, which I replied to Mike Huckabee with,
This is especially funny coming from you big dog. You literally said Israel has a right to implement the greater Israel project
Yeah, if there's a person if there's anyone that's like obsessed with Israel. Yeah, it's evangelical
Zionists people like Mike Huckabee who I think would literally sacrifice their firstborn or even like an entire
American state in the American mainland
Just so Israel gets to behave in a belligerent manner in the region
So very funny that now their attitude is like, why do you care so much about this?
It's only four billion dollars a year.
Facts, which by the way, that's all facts and there's somehow saying there's some derangement there.
Yeah, how could he, by the way, as a rogue ambassador?
I hope people understand this. He refuses to call it the West Bank. Yeah, because of this like in
Yeah, he's just very never says the West Bank, which of course is a it's not US foreign policy
at least for the last five decades
And he's like I mean that next thing there the times of Israel that you have where he's meeting with the ex spy
Yeah, you're telling me this was approved by our State Department
Yeah, the rubio know about this and said hey, it's all good meet with this guy who was you know spying on us
So this guy's totally rogue and he's just I mean
Sanctioned Israeli ministers right calling sanctions outrageous hypocrisy. I mean, it's it's insane. Yeah, we are
Rumbi lunatics the idea that Mike Huckabee who is as far as I understand is a he's a Christian pastor or some kind right
This man does not understand that
when you starve children or when you pay someone else to shoot children or
That that's something that you should be worried about and can dismiss it as it you know
Israel derangement syndrome and pretend that everyone's yelling at stand-up comics right who make jokes about their wives like
in the middle. This is absurd. It's kind of hard to... I mean, I know we're
laughing about it because it is pretty funny, but it's kind of hard to
appreciate how psychotic that is. I mean, that's... I don't know.
I feel like that's like somebody being like, oh, you're obsessed
with Germany because they're... why are you... why are stand-up comics standing
up and yelling about the Holocaust in 1940s? Well, there's a reason. I
I mean, there, there is a good reason for that actually.
Like if people were doing that in the 1940s,
now we would praise them for it.
Yeah.
One of the worst texts I ever heard.
I don't know why he reminded me of this is
Patrick Bet David was talking about rebrand.
That's funny though.
That was your guy, huh?
Oh God.
He's so funny.
But he, do you remember the take he said?
Israel has a PR problem.
He goes, and I have an idea.
Let's do the roast of Benjamin Netanyahu.
It's like, wow, that is as bad as it gets, man.
Dude, it's like it's because these guys are fucking stupid. Okay.
It's because they're so stupid. Uh, I mean, I love Patrick.
He won't have me on a show for some reason. He's at Nick Fuentes on and I'm a bridge too far.
These guys literally think I'm like, uh, like a more dangerous radical than fucking
Nick Fuentes, who they defend all the time. Um, but, uh, yeah.
No, that, that shows you how out of touch they are too. Like, oh,
this was just a crisis of PR as though, as though you can just like solve it
by, by Rosie, but yeah, it's insane. It's like they've murdered children and they continue
to murder children right now during the so-called ceasefire. There's one element that I really
wanted to talk to you guys about. Cause like the documentary is, is covering three different
experiences that, that, you know, unify under this, this, this shared experience.
Was there a hierarchy in credibility when you guys came back as well? Because like,
Mark is Jewish. You're not Palestinian. You're not Jewish and you're Palestinian. So like,
did you feel as though even in the media reception of it all, there was a difference in your perspectives
like or the coverage itself?
I mean, for sure. And that's something that you just have to understand is the reality
here. Obviously, I, you know, I am Palestinian, but I also feel like I know what I'm talking
about when it comes to Palestine, the history, the healthcare situation. I'm a board member
for a Palestinian medical organization that works in Palestine. And this is what I do.
I've been doing this for a very long time. I know every inch of Palestine, I know all
of the hospitals, Gaza, West Bank, Jerusalem. And I've been working there for the last
16 years. But I have to acknowledge, though, that when an American, an everyday American,
maybe somebody from the Midwest, maybe somebody on the West Coast, when they see me talking
about it. There is this sort of, well, he must have an agenda. He is biased. And that's
part of the dehumanization. It's why these people don't acknowledge the children being
slaughtered. But it's also why you can sort of just say it's these people over there,
these lesser than people, these, you know, these folks, these Palestinians, they're
different. Like you mentioned, I heard you mentioned Jake Tapper, but he's somebody
I always think about is like he has that sort of dehumanizing racist understanding.
And so, no matter what I say, I can be the smartest person in the room.
He's not going to accept it for me.
And so I think that's why I really appreciate guys like for Rose and Mark, you know, why
they do what they do understanding that the backlash is there because they're not going
to be spared.
You're not going to be spared from this.
But the fact that you're willing to speak up and say these things, I mean, that to
me, I mean, I say that's courageous to do it honestly.
Yeah.
No, I've never, look, for the most part, for most of my career, I've been doing
for 13 years. And before people were hyper focused on every little thing that I've ever said,
I was still an avowed anti-Zionist, right? But most people had not fully comprehended the issue at
all. It didn't become such a salient problem for them. And most of the time, they would cover me
as like a white guy who's kind of bro-y, right? I was a white cisgender heterosexual guy who's
who's like a little bit bro-y.
Post October 7th, I'm Muslim.
I'm the most Muslim guy that has ever Muslim in the country.
Like it's just, like I'm still the same guy.
I'm still white as hell.
Like I, if my name was Hank, like I feel like the 90%
of the media coverage would change
because it would be much more difficult for them
to present me as this like super radical guy.
But yeah, they definitely lean into that.
They definitely lean into that.
But the reason why I wanted to ask, because I wanted to see,
I wanted to hear Mark's perspective on this as well.
Unfortunately, I couldn't make it,
but one other thing that has happened is
they'll just remove your background.
Because like they did this to Brad Lander as well.
Brad Lander, who's like been very outspoken
about the issue, they treated his victory over Dan Goldman
in a very Jewish district in New York
as an anti-Semitic act.
It was a Jewish district.
for both candidates are just as a jewish
but one canada's pro-israel the other canada is very critical of israel and
all of a sudden they were making a seem like brad lander was
was this like random christian guy i guess
you know who was anti-semitically unseated and goldman and that's the
thing is it's not even it is obviously there's a lot of dehumanization of
palestinian jacqueline we um... we left one of the week we go to these
q and a's for the after the screening they get to the show in the movie
all the time
and i remember we're walking out of one
uh... and we usually hang around for like you know all along time and talk to
people and like you know just try to answer their questions and can you people
one day
the uh...
while while we're walking out
i heard this lady and she she was chastising herself for this to be fair
but i heard this lady say
uh... because you know there's family features very prominently in the
he's got these two little girls are super cute
on the way out she literally says
you know it i can't believe this but i never thought of palestinians is
having families
it's like this is like an educated person in a major city
Jesus Christ
right but and it's you know where first even just biologically where do you
think these humans came from like it's you know
but that's that's pretty wild and this then this is the person who volunteered
to come see the movie american doctor at a film festival not even in the
main theater well i guess that's the best person to watch the technique yes
no a hundred percent a hundred percent
and but she was you know and she was trying herself for that like that
that's why this kind of you know the this medium of film and this movie
can can help people see that kind of thing but
But this is the second time I heard you say that and it's still it honestly
I don't know how else to say this, but it hurts my feelings every time he says that I can imagine because I think about
All of the kids like even you talk about hindra job you talk about all those kids
You're like if people more people had seen it though, you know had that realization earlier
Maybe that some of them would still be alive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because we wouldn't tolerate this like you know
You nobody is okay. People are okay with killing vermin not with killing children
That's why it has to be hidden from them what they're doing. Yeah, and that's also precisely the reason why the dehumanization is the set in
Yeah, and I think the media is very culpable very much
Yeah, but that's such a huge role in that yeah, and but the interesting thing is that like you just said it even
Extends to the idea that Jewish people who don't want this done in their name or you know
Even they can be
Dismissed as you know their their opinion also doesn't matter for some reason like you know
there's this new phenomenon of um i think we saw like maybe it was chris quomo or
andrew we don't know it must have been chris quomo talking to adam um adam fridlin fridlin yeah yeah
that guy uh uh and uh and he was telling me he's a bad i can't remember the exact words he's a bad
jew he's telling me he's a bad jew yeah and fridlin's like what what are you arguing italian guy
like what is this ridiculous like yeah like what and uh um even um uh isn't in van jones is he
He's done that like like this this new phenomenon of of non-Jews telling other Jews that they're bad Jews
Because they're not doing right is just crazy. Yeah, it's outrageous
So like you know and anybody that you know the American the American media system can accomplish a lot of really crazy stuff
Yeah, no, it's unbelievable that like your
Your level of Judaism is now determined by how pro-Israel you are yeah because they did this well
I'll say I saw it happen with my own two eyes where they were like
You're attacking Haley Stevens and it's very anti-semitic
Haley Stevens is not Jewish. Yeah. She's just
Funded by a pack. Yeah, so I guess that's the the highest level of Judaism
according to our you know, very normal media apparatus is like they if
Yeah, I'm gonna show you
So if Israel comes to you in your dreams, it doesn't matter if you're Christian, you're now Jewish, you're an honorary Jewish.
Or at least you can be subjected to anti-Semitism somehow because it's got nothing to do with Jews.
How does she say something like that? Nobody says, what are you talking about? What does that mean?
What does that mean?
I mean, people say weird things at rallies, I get it, but that is odd.
Imagine if I was like, yeah, you know, Hasan, Palestine comes to me in my dreams.
me in my dreams or you would rightly say can you explain that dream that because
that sounds strange well I I always like to say Estonia comes to me in my
dreams because it's like so silly just imagine being like no Lithuania yeah
I fucking love Lithuania do you do you think Lithuania has a right to exist yeah
why don't you like if you don't give Lithuania ten billion dollars right now
a year that means you want every Lithuanian in America to die that was a
conversation that took place earlier on Morning Joe with Angie Nixon or not
more than Joe this was CBS which is of course now owned by the L.A.
Stainson Barry Weiss is the the news editor great job and what's crazy is
they were asking Angie Nixon and and the host turns around to Angie Nixon and
says so you want to deny weapons transfers to Israel at a time when there's
an unprecedented crisis in anti-Semitism here in the United States of America
And I was like, how do you connect those two things with American Jews at all?
That's like it's such an insane argument. It's so bizarre, but like I feel like at this point
they're just like they're they're speed running the the common narratives like because it's just
they have nothing else to lean into so they just go well, well, you know, this is really messed up
like anti-semitism is going to skyrocket if we don't give 10 billion dollars a Israeli year.
You know that strategy even extends past this even with the ceasefire now or the so-called ceasefire
They're like the only way that we can make sure that the borders are open and people can get medical treatment
And food can enter is if this political group disarms. Yeah
How are you pairing this armament in a political process to giving people food and water and like their children?
Yeah, how have we accepted that? Oh, this is a normal conversation. Yes
Let's let's use food as leverage in order to get this political group to be able to this time
It's nuts to me in it like it's the same strategy and of course as is the case
The the government has said oh, we don't care that they're disarming so that was the other yeah
Yeah, it's like cuz Hamas has already
Said that they're fine with a technocratic committee overseeing control over over Gaza
And now on top of that they're even leading into the disarmament initiative
which, by the way, how do you even?
It's completely meaningless to disarm them.
Yeah, they don't have, like, I mean, you guys were there.
They don't have, like, I don't know, like S-300s or anything.
They do not have advanced weapons.
They have conventional small arms and like bathtub IEDs
that they've made oftentimes from unexplored ordnance
from Israel.
So like, I don't even know how you would disarm them
in any meaningful way, shape, or form,
but they said yes to it.
Israel is of course still advancing in the Gaza low and behold in the in a manner not dissimilar to what they've done in the West Bank
Yeah, there's no Hamas in the West Bank and yet the occupation still remains
Nobody's talking about also them trying to build these alternative communities for Palestinians
They're trying to create a bunch of banter stands in Gaza
Yeah, and they're trying to basically say hey if you're a good Palestinian you can come over here
You'll have a school you'll have food and you'll have shelter if you're a bad Palestinian
You have any connections
We're gonna basically either ethnically cleanse you or kill you and the idea is there can be no contiguous Gaza
There can be no state of Palestine. That's happening. That's on the ground. It's happening right now
It was initially 52% now it's reached past that line of course now
I think 57% of the Gaza Strip. There's some estimates to say it's greater than 60%. Yeah, and you know
You know why that's the case. We don't know for sure is you know, we have colleagues that have just entered into Gaza
They can't even used before when the ceasefire happened. There were cinder blocks. Yeah, and they were going okay
This is the yellow line now
They keep inching closer and the only way they know is when they engage in the fire on people
Yeah, when they shoot children that where did they claim is like passing the yellow line that they that keeps expanding
That's the other thing about this military that I hope people can understand is they had a policy of just engage with
Anything that breathes or moves even Israeli hostages that yeah, yeah, they fired on them
They fired on them and that was that's why that's what happened to him happen. That's how those ambulance drivers were killed in Rafa
That's how all of these people have lost their lives when they were trying to cross the street and flee because they were told to evacuate by the Israeli military
And it's just like they were they told their soldiers just fire, you know, let it rain if anybody wants to read about this breaking the silence
It's it's an Israeli reservist group that just takes testimony from them, but also Haritz, which is it's one of Israel's major newspapers
They've both published extensively
Israeli soldiers own testimonies just saying yeah, yes
We were ordered to shell people waiting for a food truck are not a foot not like you know an LA food truck like a truck delivering food
The um, you know, we were told to just shoot anything that moves
We were told to just obliterate every building no matter what was going on there like that
that's just like
It's all it's all out there and open like it did the none of us a secret and it's not
humiliating. Do you think it's not humiliating for the Trump administration to say, hey, we made a major breakthrough on truth social
He's like we've got we're advancing this agreement and then Netanyahu holds a press conference and says no
We're not agreeing to any of the 15 point plan. Like is there no there's no response to that
We haven't even heard a response. Yeah, I mean he's
Super cocked to Israel. There's no other way to put it like I mean he was this way
way. I said over and over again that the conditions for October 7 were set by the Abraham Accords.
What came before in the Trump administration moving the embassy to Jerusalem, formalizing
the annexation of Golan Heights, things that Trump actually openly admitted, Mary Maddelson
was not even asking for. Like he said, he threw Golan Heights in there as a sweetener
for them. They didn't even ask for it. So so all of that obviously set the stage for for Palestinian
militancy to recognize their desperation and that there was no other way out of this.
After the Abraham Accords, I think most Palestinians were like, oh, it's a wrap. Yeah, it's over.
You know, you're getting out of countries in the region to basically say, all right,
we're going to sidestep this Palestine problem. Yeah. And we're going to kind of move forward.
And you know Jared Kushner who was supposed to who was supposed to bring the peace to the Middle East is a great dealmaker
You're a hundred percent right the Abraham Accords was the beginning of this disaster that we're in right now
Yeah, across the Middle East. Yeah, and then not just that but like the you know the the
Gaza has been under siege since 2005
It's been getting steadily worse
Ever since Gaza has been you know the whole Palestinian economy
Has been getting worse since they also accords not better. You know, they also were familiar with 90 one 92
Has been getting worse not better unemployment has been going up settlements have been getting bigger
Palestinian communities have been squeezed more and more and more. It's there's a misunderstanding that things work
Things were getting better and then this second into Fata thing happened in 2000. Oh, yeah, that's completely not true
It's just actually an untrue and then on top of that
This has been reported Hamas actually repeatedly reached out to the Biden administration and said look you cannot
Just ignore this problem. This is a you know, I don't know what words they use
But they know this is a constant as Gaza is a concentration camp that's going to explode and the Biden administration just ignored them
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, okay
I mean, you know, I mean there were you cage people and treat them like animals eventually some of them like like I
I interviewed Dr. Rolf R. Kassif right after October 7. He's minister of the Knesset. He's an anti-Zionist Jew,
the only anti-Zionist Jew in the Israeli Knesset,
and one of the few in Israel in general. And he told me he sent a lot of letters to American politicians,
some of which I admire even, I won't say who,
about the conditions in the West Bank and Itamar Ben-Givir and like all of the initiatives that
they were engaging in in the West Bank that was inevitably going to bear out a very violent response.
So like people act as though this was not, this was an unpredictable, no cataclysmic event. And
yet it was so predictable that the heads of Shin Bet had warned the Israeli government at the
time and they called them woke. They said you're woke for saying like our militancy and our violence
in the West Bank is going to inevitably bear out like a violent retaliation from Hamas and Gaza.
And they've been saying that since like 2003, just to be clear, like the four former heads of the
Shin Bet were interviewed, I think on Yedda, I can't remember, some Israeli thing. And they
were very, you know, the way I remember the one line was we're acting disgracefully in the
territories. There's no other word for it. You know, Maron Ben-Veniste, who's the former
Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem, he's the, I think he's passed away since then, but he was the founder of the West Bank Data Project.
You know, he wrote in, probably 2002 or 2004, somewhere around there, that the slow transfer of Palestinians out of Jerusalem,
concentrated them in the West Bank and starving Gaza, was creating a community that is hostile and nurturing a desire for revenge.
Yes.
More than 20 years before October 7th, and yet he was right.
And 2023 was the deadliest year since the second father before October 7th. Yeah
You know, but Akle was gunned down by an Israeli soldier sniper shot her in the head in Janine camp
That was months before October 7th and they were I mean and then oh no
Shireen Aba Akle was in 2021
2021 and then also don't forget that when Shireen Aba Akle was have trying to have a funeral procession
They had the they attacked it. So was this sort of you know, what did we think was going to happen as a result?
Yeah. Yeah. But so speaking of that, actually, I kind of want to ask you guys what you think about this breaking news about him, Roger.
Yeah.
So CNN reported on it earlier this morning. The Israeli military has acknowledged firing on a car carrying five year old Henry job in Gaza after earlier denials as it opens a criminal probe into the January 2024 killing.
So
What's really interesting about this and the reason why you're you're
your
Mention of Shireen Abu-Aulik reminded me of bringing this up in front of you guys
It's because the Shireen Abu-Aulik
Assassination also was investigated. Yeah, and not a single person was actually prosecuted in the process
Not a single Israeli soldier. Yeah, there was there was no they found that there was no wrongdoing
What's so ever so how does how does this make you feel when you see things like this?
Do you feel like this is like the Israeli government is actually even if it's to save
To engage in a face-saving operation
Do you feel like there will be anything in this criminal probe? No?
I mean, I think this is the Israelis are very tactical. They understand when the pressure is very high on them
They know when they have to release certain statements. They know what they're supposed to say
And so this is classic. I mean if you look at anything that's happened that has reached like global notoriety or really high-profile
Incidents or events, this is what the Israelis will say
This is what they will do and this is how they calm things down and you're exactly right about what happened with Shedin
That's exactly what they said. They were at first. They were like it wasn't us
Well first they said it was the Janine Brigade. Yes, yeah
And then and then obviously open source intelligence and forensics examiners looked at the
at the area and there were no Palestinian militancy in that area was so ever it was actually the Israeli snipers that were there and
Then they had to you know, they had to double back and be like oh is it an accident?
It wasn't an accident. She was clearly marked as press. She was wearing a press vest
She was wearing the helmet there was no reason to be firing bullets to order. Yeah, and they shot her in the neck to kill her
it was it was bullshit. And she was an American, Palestinian American, and a very important voice.
And of course, Booker and really, I didn't know that New Jersey.
I mean, that's the other thing is they did the same thing with one of the
producers of No Other Land, who the Israeli settler killed on camera on camera. Exactly. And
now they're saying, oh, we're going to because there's a big extremist settler problem.
And so this is, I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm being pessimistic, but this is classic.
This is how the Israelis play it.
They are very strategic with what they're saying and the announcements that they make.
And it's really to calm, I think, any pressure from the Americans or the Europeans.
Do you remember the Great March of Return?
There was, I think, a 19-year-old volunteer nurse.
Yeah.
Do you remember her name?
I can't remember her name.
She was wearing a white coat.
She's out there.
That's fine, I think.
That sounds right.
Yeah.
Yeah, um, tiny little woman, obviously a threat to nobody out there, treating people's wounds
where, you know, in one of the greatest mass woundings of young people that's ever taken
place.
Uh, and she gets shot dead by a sniper.
The I don't know if you remember the New York Times did this elaborate reconstruction.
Where did the bullet come from?
They they eventually, I think that if I remember right, they determined that the bullet likely
hit the ground, bounced up, and killed her that way.
And so they, you know, I don't remember if they concluded there was an accident or whatever.
I don't remember their exact conclusion.
None of that matters.
What matters is that the Israelis, with our support, full support, lined up snipers
and for two years straight shot dead people who were protesting asking for their freedom.
Yeah, that's completely completely exactly the same thing with him Russia. I have the Israelis might conclude that yes, you know
Soldier so-and-so, you know Lance corporal so-and-so fired the weapon from his
You know his um his Markov a tank recklessly
300 times and uh and and therefore he will get a demotion
Who cares? I think there's nothing to do with this. This is like telling somebody that. Oh, yeah
this one time one guy murdered an American Indian and but the rest of it was fine. Yeah,
like no, this is ludicrous. Like it's completely it's completely ridiculous. I what I suspect is
what they'll do is I think one of the one of the commanders actually died in Lebanon. Yeah,
they might like shift the blame over to that's right shift the blame over to the dead guy.
That's impossible. And then be like oh he did it oops and he no wrong doing regardless. Yeah,
You know, we were still honoring him, but, you know, it was him. And it's interesting because this is the same
uh same time when
Uh, the the israeli decision not to prosecute the killing of aid workers in gaza came out now
Here's the thing central kitchen. Yeah, that happened when I was in gaza. April. Yeah, what's what's crazy about this, of course is
World central kitchen is is run by, uh, I forget his name
He's a good friend of Biden's. Yeah, he's a he's a he's a nice guy in general, but let's be real
He was brought into he was brought into Gaza to do PR for Israel because he was like very
He was very antagonistic to you know, the the Palestinian position from the start
Yeah, and you know, he's friends to the Bidens. Yeah friends with the Israeli government. Absolutely
And what's interesting about that is he was brought in
at a time when famine was starting in Gaza and basically they allowed him to go in there
with the world central kitchen and they still triple tapped their convoy that was engaging
in a deconfliction with the Israeli militaries you're supposed to when you're down there
when you're out there.
And now they're saying there was no wrongdoing and I guess Jose Andres is outraged once
again saying they strongly condemned the Israeli military prosecutor's account of the deaths of our
seven colleagues on April 1st, 2024. It's just... It's the third or fourth time he's been charged.
Yeah, I know. What are you going to do about it? You said that they're very good at like leaning
into propaganda. This is the first time I'm going to disagree with you. Okay, let me hear it.
I think they're so arrogant and so used to unconditional loyalty and support
that a big part of the enmity coming from the western world now actually stems from the fact
that they're not good at propaganda because they don't have to be because for the last like 30 years
they already had an incredibly sophisticated influence peddling operation, an incredibly
powerful lobby and therefore they thought and they still think I think that they don't have
have to do this. They don't have to do propaganda at all. And that's precisely the reason why
most of the envoys of Israel and most of its most prominent supporters in America sound
fucking insane when they talk about the issue. When you hear them speak, you're like, what
the fuck? I mean, when you, the meme on Twitter is, you know, you don't ever translate
Hebrew Twitter to English because, you know, it's, it's some of the most racist things
Yeah, it's pretty wild. But it is reality. I feel like that you only arrived at that condition if you've just never had to face accountability
And and its supremacist thought as well
The reason you might be right and you're probably right I should say is me and furrows were in new york last week and we met with
The elected 10 of the security council. These are not the permanent members of security
of the security council and we met with
The EU basically trying to tell them that we think the only way forward is through accountability
You have to be able to hold the Israelis accountable because we feel that the Americans after several visits to capital hose is what we told them
Aren't doing that and the responses that we got essentially were well
Let's see kind of what happens with the elections both in Israel and in the United States
Oh my god
Like as though a gaudy isancot is gonna change the dynamic at all of Israeli society when they're running attack ads on him for
Hugging Arabs. Yeah, they're running attack. If you if you hug an Arab
in Israel, they're like, oh, look at him. Now, that's actually a really interesting point that
I want to hear from you guys on as Americans, right? I've often said, Israel and America are two peas
in a pod. I actually did an interview with Haritz recently, and this was, there was a lot of push
back when I said this, like, we are sister nations through and through. And we're both countries
that are going through a similar transformation. We're both settler colonies. We've never
really acknowledged the indigenous genocide here and its scars still very much remain
and Israel is going through its indigenous genocide right now in broad daylight with our support.
And what I've always found so fascinating about that is that Israel has also become
much more right wing and much more socially conservative. I mean, look, the reality is
like the Nakba aside, even though it's not something to wash away at all,
Israel was created by a bunch of, I guess, quote-unquote, woke, secular, socialist Jews.
So, like, they thought that this was going to be a somewhat more progressive project,
but it can't be progressive if you're doing ethnic cleansing.
And if you don't address that, if you don't address that inception,
if you don't address the ongoing atrocities, then society slowly but surely will move away from secular values,
will move away from progressive values.
And I think a lot of Israeli society broadly cannot contend with that reality.
And they're seeing this transformation where, you know, people like Itamar Ben-Givir are
becoming much more prominent fixtures of Israeli politics.
And then these liberal Zionists will go, how is this happening?
Why is there so much homophobia in Israeli society now?
And it's like, well, you know, this goes hand in hand with the genocide that you're
defending.
Did you see, you know, Adam Smith, he's a Congressman in Seattle or from Seattle.
Yes.
on breaking points.
I think he was talking to Crystal, and she said, you know, how can you, I don't remember
the exact words, like how do you square your progressive stance on, you know, economics
and Medicare for all, whatever it might be, with this seemingly illiberal stance towards
Israel?
And I was honestly genuinely shocked that somebody said this out loud.
He just said, there is no liberal solution to Israel.
In other words, Israel isn't in a liberal state, and that's fine with me.
That's wild.
That's completely crazy, and I actually just had this kind of getting back to what you were
saying before about their propaganda is bad.
I think ethno-supremacy just makes people dumb.
You kind of can't...
I've talked to a lot of people who were very much in the anti-apartheid movement, and
And they said there was kind of a similar thing where you know, South African Boers
would just, they couldn't understand what everyone else doesn't understand.
How can you not understand how great we are, how amazing we are?
Don't you understand that these Africans are barely human and you know, they're just
all crazy if we don't control them, they'll just rip the whole place to shreds.
These like awful things.
But it was so self-evident to them.
And it just results in this march to the right, you know?
I really feel like South Africa with the democratic transition, that's one way to end up resolving
that problem. But the other is what happened in North of there where I worked when I was
in med school Zimbabwe. And in ZIM, it was a very, very violent end to this. And once
the apartheid system in Zimbabwe, which was almost identical to South Africa, was dismantled,
it just dissolved into this horrendous, inter-seen violence. And now, the the
The Mata Billi and the Shauna regularly attack each other. It's just a total disaster.
And that's, you know, we kind of have to decide which, you know, which route do we, if you're
pro-Israel, you should probably think about what you're, what you're leading Israel
towards. It's, you know, it's probably its ultimate destruction. It's very, very scary.
And these people like, you know, like, you know, most younger American Jews see this
and they, they say, like, you know, we don't want, like even, even though we
like, you know, we don't have anything against our Israeli friends, but we don't we're leading
them down this this crazy path that's going to destroy the Palestinians and Israel. It's
not even good for even if you're a pro-Israel, it's not even good for them.
No, absolutely. But it's also and the reason I brought up the American comparison is because
it's destroying the Western world. Yeah, it's destroying the concept of Western liberal
democracy altogether. Because I think it's making people recognize that there's this
insane illiberal force out there that we have to demonstrate uncompromising loyalty to and
and you know in the uk the palestine action protesters and people who hold up placards like you know
pensioners the 85 year old holocaust survivors and a 90 year old holocaust survivors like they hold
up placards and they get arrested and and we are in the western world basically slowly but
surely dismantling our institutions. Some might even say we've never really fully cared about
these institutions, but I think this contradiction is forcing people to slowly but surely recognize
that Western liberal democracy is dead, it's dying. And I worry about the illiberal,
post-liberal fascist forces that will come out of this process. And I say that as someone who is
not only now barred from entering the United Kingdom, I don't know if you guys knew that,
but also which is insane. Labor government by the way.
So wild.
And then a former, was that under Kirstar Murn?
Yeah, it was under Kirstar Murn.
That's a former human rights lawyer, right?
A former human rights lawyer.
Shivana Mahmood, former pro-Palestine activist.
Really?
Shivana Mahmood was the homestead at that time.
And then also here in the United States of America,
the American government is not exactly fond of me either and they're, you know, they're becoming
more openly fascist than ever before. And I worry, once again, unless we examine and try to solve
this contradiction, it's going to turn into barbarism. But there is a global trend, though,
that's kind of taken place over the last decade of this very right-wing,
being nationalist, a sort of fascist kind of movement growing across the globe.
And I do worry about what you're talking about, but I see that there are a certain class of
people that are trying to take advantage of this.
When I think of folks like Peter Thiel and all of these techno fascists, they have a
real opportunity here.
If we continue along this trend, they're going to dominate.
They're going to, they're essentially going to be the rulers of this world if we
continue along this trend.
So I think we're seeing the same trend that's taking place in Israel, but you're seeing it
in Europe.
Obviously, there are some things that argue against it.
Thankfully, the Hungarian elections were, I think, a good sign.
People sort of rejecting it.
But even in France, the fact that that very far-right party in the most recent election
got so many votes, everybody should be very concerned about that.
I mean, like, you know...
Yeah, AFD in Germany.
Yeah, exactly.
I think a lot of this goes back to what the United States actually is. There's a lot of books about
this, but there's one really important book that I think people should read is called The Framers
Coup. It's actually the only academic book I know on the framing and the passage of the US
Constitution. To make a really long story short, the person who wrote it, I think it was at
Oxford, the US Constitution was basically written to undermine the radical democracy that existed
in the states at the time, basically in order to pay off financiers who had taken war bonds from
the war of independence veterans. And it wasn't until the Indian genocide was completed, or
essentially completed, and slavery was overthrown that we actually started to develop liberal
institutions in the United States. This isn't in the Fermi School, this is my interpretation.
But that's when you get, and especially after World War II, you get into the 60s.
The 1960s are a huge moment of awakening, of political awakening, of social awakening,
all of a sudden, women and students and minorities and all sorts of other people refuse to be silent
anymore. And there was a big reaction to this. There was the on the liberal side,
there was the trilateral commission on the conservative side, there was the Powell memorandum
that uh there's a really good podcast series about that from the guys at lever news if you
get to the name of it. Yeah, David Cerota. Yeah, Cerota. Yeah, I'm very excited that you mentioned
that. No, no, it's really worth listening. There's a part, there's a second part of it now,
which I haven't listened to yet, but it's really on this. Yeah, no, he's, yeah, he does a lot of
good work. The um, uh, but that's that, you know, that, that backlash, um, which had,
you know, I hate the term, but like bipartisan support, you know, like the kind of the
the Democratic centrists and the Republicans were both on board with this.
The Republicans were more like the rhetoric was crazier, the liberal internationalists
like the people that staffed the Carter administration and people like that that came afterwards.
They were more reasoned and measured.
They spoke more like Kamala Harris than like Donald Trump.
But that backlash is very real.
It's sustained and it's society-wide.
That's where student debt comes from.
That's where mass incarceration comes from.
All these methods of disciplining the population.
And the, you know, Israel or filthy to Israel is kind of a way to be in the cult.
You know, I look, I'm, I'm in, I'm in, I know, no, no, it doesn't matter how many kids
they kill, I'm in.
Yeah, I'm good.
Yeah.
And that, that's, it's, it is, it really is, it's a very dangerous, um, aspect of
our own society.
They really should bother a lot of people like, why is it that we can, why is it
that our society can function this way?
I think it does.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Like, I think we can change that like we have, like, and when people are trying,
Like you mentioned, Adam, all these people that are running and you have people who are just
everyday activists, they're trying to change it, but it's everybody's got to keep working on it.
Like I think in a different timeline, anyone that got, I only have my own personal experiences
to pull from obviously, but like, if what was happening in the aftermath of all these electoral
victories that we've been able to gain a foothold and build a coalition of openly anti-Zionist
candidates in the Democratic Party that are demanding an embargo on Israel, demanding
accountability for Israel's genocide. Well, that never would have happened under any other
media environment. That never would have happened under any other point in American history. However,
from the media reception standpoint, like if five years ago, every outlet was calling
me an anti-Semitic terrorist, it would be over.
Yeah, it would be over.
It would be over.
Now, University of Washington cancels my speech that I was supposed to do in January.
It's a publicly funded institution.
This is a direct First Amendment violation.
of a sudden, you know, you got MPR, the local MPR affiliate actually investigating the matter.
Like there's still a lot of pressure. There's still a lot of an unbelievable amount of pressure
as a matter of fact, but like there was a guy in Detroit that gave me a normal interview
after, you know, Mallory McMoroll called me a danger to Michiganders and
And Abdul's Abdul inviting me to campaign with him right after the synagogue was attacked by
by this dude. As though I have something to do with that or as though Abdul has something to do
with that. What's our connection to this person? We're all Muslim, right? Yeah. The Muslims and
this person was like asking me questions about all that. They demoted him seven years. He was
was the all things considered NPR host. Wow. For the NPR affiliate in Detroit. And they
demoted him so he quit. So like there's still this level of pressure that's taking place.
I mean, I'm still blacklisted from MSNOW, CNN, and Fox News. But at the end of the
day, we still have independent platforms and we can still congregate around these
issues and and still engage in advocacy. So I think that there is a real, yeah, there
is a real opportunity to make changes, you know, they clearly, they clearly, I mean, even
the Trump administration feels the pressure from everyday Americans when they went into
this Iran thing. Yeah, this year. I mean, they thought it would be very simple. I'll
come out there and I'll say, we can't do this. This is the right thing to do.
People rejected that totally on both sides of the aisle.
He lost his boy Tucker in the process of this.
I don't really fully trust him, but what do you mean, tell me?
With Tucker Carlson?
Yeah.
I think he's far too close to Peter Thiel.
He never talks about Palantir.
He never talks about Peter Thiel.
He believes in all of these different conspiracies.
He believes that you can be, spirits can take over your body, but he won't.
won't entertain the the real world conspiracy of Palantir like mass AI backed surveillance
technology from Peter Thiel a man who has blood boys one of which is JD Vance JD Vance not his
actual blood boy but he does have real blood boys or did uh and and uh he's also very close
with JD Vance as well so I think he's no percent but why do you tell me what you think about why
then so publicly be so against the decision to enter into the Iran war for him because I
I'm trying to piece that together because just like there's a factional disagreement
within the State Department, I think that there are, yeah, there's a concept amongst,
especially the right called no dumb wars, which is a way to sidestep the issue of being anti-war
unconditionally or anti-violence unconditionally to say, you know, there are some wars that are
worthwhile, but this one is dumb. And conservatives peddle that propaganda all the time to basically
boost their credibility as like a isolationist and name only, I guess. And I suspect that's
kind of what Tucker is doing, because like it is a dumb war to go to war with Iran. I mean,
look, you know, who else is against the war with Iran? The, you know, godfathers of the
neoconservative movement, like Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan, guys who spent their entire lives
initially advocating to do this war with Iran. And now that it's come, and now that it's
It's happening now that it's being prosecuted entirely incompetently. Yeah. Yeah, and and there is no competent way to prosecute it anyway
Cuz like you can't overcome geography like it just does is 21 miles. Why the shirt?
Oh, that's interesting the interesting thing there like, you know, the United States could
Defeat Iran. We would just have to mobilize our entire society
Except that you know having a four million person army
Yes, except half a million combat deaths and probably ripped the place to shreds probably killed
you know, 10 million Iranians in the process and we could spend 30 years doing this. Well,
that doesn't seem like a good idea at all. So instead, they want to like, they kind of want
to have their cake and eat it too of, oh, we'll just lob some missiles. And that's it. And then
we'll just pray that the Iranian government is overthrown. We can claim that. That's something
I still struggle with is you apparently so many people knew that that would not work.
Right. I mean, that's the whole idea. But still, this guy comes in and does a
a policy presentation. Netanyahu comes in and does a policy and then suddenly Lindsey
Graham too.
Of course, it just came out yesterday, the day before, Amman, like the Israeli military
intelligence was saying it wouldn't work. Yeah. But they went, you know, like that's
what I mean, these people aren't stupid. I mean, they're not. Yeah. So what was interesting
to me because I was covering it nonstop. And I kept repeatedly explaining that this was
going to be a disaster if we actually implemented it over and over again. I'm some random
guy from the outside. You know what I mean? If I can see it, I'm sure military analysts
can too.
But one thing that also always very interesting to me is leading up to the buildup of the Navy
Armada when everyone knew exactly what was about to take place.
General Dane Kane, who is the top pro-Trump general, head of U.S. Central Command, very
clearly tried to spell out that we would not be able to maintain air superiority over the
Iranian airspace, and that we would inevitably run out of our standoff munitions that were
lobbing the Tomahawk missiles, and we would run out of defensive munitions as well in
the process and erode American military supremacy around the globe and be declared a paper
tiger as we are currently seeing unfold in real time.
because Trump didn't listen to him. He went to the media and that was very interesting
because this is a Trump loyalist, right? And he still, he went out very, when he are, oh,
sorry, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, not Sankam. Sankam is another guy who's insanely
pro-Zero Brad, Brad Cooper, I think sounds right. Yeah. He's a very shrink guy. Anyway,
So in any case, uh, yeah, raising cane, he went, he went to the media and, and he leaked
it. He leaked that this was not going to work. And yet they still did it. And I just, I cannot
understand like, like, is Trump that easily manipulated like that? He was just like, Oh,
I got a massive victory in, I got a massive victory in Venezuela. This is going to
be the same decapitation strike and then all of a sudden boom, boom, complete societal collapse.
They're not even thinking about the success of that campaign because that would have still,
I think yielded tremendous instability. Because like, even if the decapitation worked and let's
say they armed the Kurds and then the, there was like ethnic tensions that they were able
to successfully format. And then there's mass instability. This is an unbelievably diverse
country with 93 million people. It's a huge country with a massive defense industry in
and of itself with varying degrees of hardliners that are going to seek out revenge. Even the
most successful initiative would have collapsed the entire region because then even if you
were to, even at the IRGC, some of the units decided, all right, we're blowing up every
oil refinery in the region, then what do you? Yeah. Yeah. It just blows my mind. But that's what
the Israelis wanted. They wanted a failed rogue state, right? Yeah. No air defense. Yeah. They
wanted Libya. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was actually the model. Yeah. And so
but it's just nobody said this. The Israelis interests here are very different than ours.
Yeah. There are boys, but this is not this doesn't make any sense. I mean, it seems like
Rubio Vance all knew that it was a terrible idea. They just didn't have,
of, I don't know, the backbone, I really, I'm not sure.
I know the pitch to Trump was clear.
It was, no president has ever been able to do this.
You're gonna kill it.
Everybody's gonna love you.
This is phenomenal.
You gotta do it.
You'll be the best ever.
And he's like, okay, run it.
You know, like, I'm sure that was the pitch,
but you have all these people around you just,
you know, not able to say,
this is the worst idea you've ever heard.
I think it's part of the general decline
in American governance that's been going on.
Again, like, you know,
go back to the backlash to the 60s.
the
you know jimmy carter and bill clinton uh... whatever you think about them they
were very intelligent they were micromanagers they
deep you know really into the details you know you've got his memoir about his
time at the camp david you're trying to get the
egyptians in the israeli's to to sign a peace agreement
on the east side of the micro you know micromanaging details it's really
quite interesting thing with clinton
um... not that i agree with either one of them almost anything but yeah
they're still impressive people
then you get to somebody like Barack Obama, who's not, you know, like George Bush,
Barack Obama era, these people are both just kind of celebrities. They're not,
they're not really that into the details. They're not really that into actually
actively managing.
But at least they had a competent team that they were listening to.
Exactly what I was going to say. Yeah.
At least they had like competent human beings about them.
Then you get to Biden and Trump. Yes.
And you're just like,
both of these people are surrounded by psychophantic lunatics.
And it's a small circle.
It's a small circle where they don't want to talk to anybody else.
Yes.
They don't, you know,
I'm almost talking about being served in the IDF.
Yeah, like that is the top guy in charge of like Israel relations in Lebanon and he served in the IDF
And Brett McGurk has like business ties to the entire region including to Israel as well
And and these are the two primary people that are in biden's. Yeah, and biden himself was a zealot
Yeah, biden himself is a committed zealot and also, you know, obviously very confused most of the time
But like the this also goes like this like this is all like this change in american governance
is really compounded by Citizens United, just my opinion, but yeah, because like at that point,
like, you know, Trump is kind of like a unique example of it. He's basically in power because
of tech billionaires, Zionist billionaires. Yeah, exactly. And then, yeah, all of which is, you
know, developed under the Bush administration, 9-11 gives it a real kick in the rush to the
reaction to 9-11 gives it a big kick in the pants. You know, we did this to ourselves.
and the, um, you know, we, the, and actually it brings up a good point. Like all of that,
you know, all of the post 9-11, like the, the, the Patriot act, the, you know, the all,
all these changes in the way our society works, Al Qaeda didn't do that to us. Al Qaeda blew up
the towers. We decided to take away our own civil liberties. We decided to ruin our own
electoral system. We, yeah, we decided to create a system that bothers Thayer and detains
him when he comes home from, uh, not even getting into Palestine. He just went to Jordan
and then hung out in the palace, the, what is the Amman, Amman paradise hotel?
Both spent way too much time in that place.
You know, this is we're doing this to ourselves.
This feel to Israel, we're doing this to ourselves.
We do not have to live like this, but we got to make the choice.
You know, we got to, we got to get off our, get off our butts and do it.
And one thing I'll say about Biden, which again, points to the fact
like really, this is the sort of the end of democracy is you're exactly right.
I mean, I saw this guy, I looked at him and it's clear he did not want to die.
thinking that his legacy may be tarnished by doing something for the Palestinians.
He is somebody who grew up in that generation that the Holocaust was the worst thing ever
and that supporting Israel was the moral imperative. Was the right reaction to the Holocaust?
No matter what, right? And so he wanted to die. I think if you have that's the president of the
United States thinking in that way about his legacy, like he knows he's in his final days.
I mean, we're in trouble. And it's, I mean, it's the fact that he's got only a few people
around him that are willing to say, you're right, boss, all good. Yeah. I mean, and then
And then the or even telling him like, this is a good idea, like even giving him additional
tools, right?
Right.
Yeah.
Cause they, cause again, they were, they were zealous.
Like there was an entire team of zealots, uh, it up close and personal that were also
just as like ideologically invested.
Oh yeah.
And the great, here is real, like, again, I mean, they, they'd be more or less ideologically,
I don't know than Biden, but they were much more coherent and much more capable
In those in those ways. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I, I'm, I'm just surprised.
And I hate to bring up Rubio again.
I don't want to give him too much honesty space, but like, I'm surprised he stayed
in that position because of how emasculating it is.
You're not the secretary of state.
Whitcoff and Kushner are the secretary of state.
Any time.
Patron needs serious work done.
He sends those guys.
You're just kind of sitting around and kind of on this quest when it comes
to like Latin America or South America, but you're not really making
real decisions like why is that guy still in place and we've got these two other folks who are securing
the business interests of Trump while also dictating our foreign policy in the Middle East. It blows
my mind. Remember the the primary when Trump was just ruthlessly mocking Rubio and Ted Cruz,
you know impugning their wives and you know like all sorts of like I don't think pride is part of
of their, uh, their calculations power. It's power.
It's a lust for power. It's pathetic. Like for Rubio, I think, uh,
it's all worth it at the end of the day because he gets to do, uh,
things that we're doing, things that we're aiding, uh,
yeah, in Cuba and in Latin America as well,
the Don Rod doctrine and whatnot. It's, it's,
it tells you something about an American politician that he's willing to
emasculate himself. He's willing to wear the wrong size shoes that Trump
demands. He's willing to let, you know,
Trump humiliate him and embarrass him in all these ways for like eight years straight, you know
first in the primary and then all through the Trump or the Biden administration and then you know
and then now all so that he can destroy an entirely defenseless island off the coast of Cuba that
he's never been to it's just shocking like you know like you're you know it really gets back
to what our society is and what we need to do to change it all right so we uh we got a wrap
of you guys have given us so much time and thank you so much for coming on.
There's a wonderful conversation. Film American doctors premiering in theaters across the United
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you gave me this pin free doctor who's some of the Sophia and you were wearing it on your
democracy now interview as well he's been held without charge for nearly two years now reportedly
beaten with a hammer his son was killed what do you want people who've never heard his name to know
about doc about the good doctor i mean dr hasan did things that i don't think any single american
or european physician will be able to do east in his hospital israeli military serrat while they
while they killed his son to bury his son compounded with multiple odds to get to safety
out of Gaza with his family and he could not abandon his patients and for that reason is
precisely why the Israeli military had to abduct him and is keeping him without charge along
with 13 other senior Palestinian doctors.
They don't want the guys that should be leading the recovery and the reconstruction
and healing Palestinians actually doing that because it will promote the ethnic cleansing
and the forced displacement of Palestinians.
The, uh, Hussama of Safiya, you know, people to come up to us after these screenings and
they're like, oh, you guys are heroes.
I'm so, I'm so proud to get to meet you in person.
It's like, no, you should meet these Palestinian healthcare workers.
These people are just shockingly decent and Hussama is one of them.
I've never, you've met him.
I haven't, I never got to meet him, um, but he's being slowly killed in an Israeli
torture chamber right now.
It's called the Rockefeller Prisoner and he will die in that prison if the US government
doesn't force Israel to release him and we can't just abandon him there.
Like you said, but along with a more than a dozen others.
He wrote two op-eds in the New York Times, he's a very funny guy, he's a sweet guy.
The world should know who this guy is.
He should not be trapped behind bars.
The world should actually know who this person is and many of the people there, Dr.
all had Dr. Mahmoud, all the people that are in these Israeli dungeons, they are the best of us,
you know, and we're both physicians in our careers now, we're not junior docs. We know when we see
talented people and these people in Palestine, these healthcare workers, man, they are good at
what they do. They do so much with so little. And it's just, it's a damn shame that they were
targeted along with the journalists and so many of the other professionals that helped
build that amazing society despite the siege and blockade.
All right, American Doctor, hopefully coming to a theater near you.
Oh, and I'm sorry, but you have the backing of all of the doctors and nurses that went to Gaza.
Anyway, we can support you. Your voice is so important. Please keep doing what you're doing.
No, it's vice-versa. I should support you guys. I'm good. I'm doing all right, you know.
But thank you. Thank you so much for coming on.
I'll probably see you guys at the you're gonna be at the screening, right? Yeah, yeah, I'll see you there then I'll be
Thank you. Thank you. All right
All right, everybody. I'm gonna take a quick photos with our guests here, but
We will get back to the story
Coming out of Dearborn oops, okay, there it is
is kicking them out. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. I'm kicking them out. All right. Okay.
I hope you guys enjoyed that interview. It's very, it's a great interview.
And we start this morning in Dearborn where tensions were high ahead of a city council meeting last night.
Anti-Islamic protesters clashed with folks in Dearborn and their supporters.
There were many arguments between the groups throughout the day.
were taken into custody for throwing a punch at a police officer.
The crowd tried to rush through the library doors just before the start of that meeting,
but crowd control measures that they were used to push them back.
Here's what people on both sides had to say.
We are a Christian nation. We love Jesus, and that's why we're here.
To take freedom of speech, and it's a free country, and that's why we're here.
I think we should all stand united together.
as one, you know, and I don't think there's room for people like Jake Lang to come cut us up divide us
The majority of protesters left before the end of the city council meeting for more on what happened inside of that meeting
We go live now to our Jordan Burroughs who's India born for us this morning and Jordan. What was the scene like there last night?
Yes, Andrew I perfectly described when you were talking about that one protester arrested so there were periods of
of tension, but all in all, it really was just this protest and this crusade. And mostly was just
people to see agreeing with one another, but at a high level, you know, loud conversations,
people being boisterous, like you had mentioned, don't know exactly how many arrests there are,
but some people were arrested inside the meeting, less tensions, but maybe more severe
less being talked to the city council. Nonetheless, that city council meeting was
is not business as usual.
It's never usually held at the
4th, 4th, 7th and 10th annual library.
And it was moved here.
Oh, law enforcement can work on crowd control
and make sure that the community felt safe.
The Strait Glen character,
someone that we've been talking about, you know,
for a couple of weeks since we've heard
that he was planning this protest,
he gathered for it.
He called this Christian Crusader march.
He and his supporters and then several community members
crowded that meeting space here at the library.
But we know residents and dearborns
surrounding communities also traveled here as well to make sure that their voices were
heard. Like I had mentioned, Sandra, the crowd tried to rush to the doors ahead of the meeting
with police-
Is it still effing? I don't know what's going on, Chad. Yeah, it's been effing. It was effing
towards the end of the- Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw the bit rate go down. It's still
going down. It's red right now. It just keeps going in and out. Wait, why? Doesn't
the back of work. Okay.
Pick on losing we hose eating the internet.
Yeah, so, um,
so like these, these white
Nationality is not a storm the Dearborn your internet was a hater a couple times in the interview is usually brief. Okay. Oh
Heavens f okay calm down everybody it's gonna be alright. There's gonna be a micro f
But yeah as I was as I was saying hold on let me lower my audio a little bit
This is the best interview I've seen you do. Truly wonderful. Okay, thank you. Yeah,
em is real high, of course. Please stop destroying my internet. Benjamin and young big yahoo, please.
Please don't destroy my internet big yahoo. Clandice just mentioned you. What does she say?
Okay.
Can you show the pen?
free doctor, uh, Hosom Abu Safiyah pin or the one I'm wearing? This is the one I got in Ireland.
She thanked your donation. She loves you. She said, wait, what?
Good job letting your guest talk to you in questions. Ironically, you did much better
than usual with the interview? What? This interview and your first were both well done.
She loves you and she says she loves your commentary.
All right, you guys. Wait, what? I can't tell if y'all are f***ing with me or not.
Candice, thanking you.
you. This idea that I am united with Hassan Piker. He is a streamer on the left.
So fuck. Clint Denise does rise up. Abdul was on Don Lemon and didn't condemn you. Yeah,
Um, hold on, hold on, we'll get, we'll get to that in a second.
Look, look, going back to Dearborn, going back to Dearborn and the unlimited amounts
of Islamophobia, right?
So, um, what I was gonna say, what I was gonna say is this, because she knows she has you
blogging.
Okay, guys, lock in.
We're not talking about Candace right now.
So in, in the Dearborn event, there were a lot of people that came in, uh, white
nationalist neo-nazis and the like and said like America is never going to be a muslim nation,
fuxhury law, all this stuff, right? Like it's like very racist nonsense. And one of the guys also
talked about me apparently and brought up the fact that I was going to take all the white women.
That came from the Elon Musk clip of me in 2018, making a joke about the great replacement being fake.
So, what's wild about this shit, what's crazy about this shit is that, like, they are gearing up, they're tuning up some of the most psychotic individuals in American society right now.
right now. To take action, to take matters in their own hands. Like, and it frustrates
me to know and that we're putting these Muslim communities in a compromise position. And it's
very clear that like a lot of liberals are also leaning into it. So earlier in the day
we talked about Israel actively fomenting Islamophobia because they know that they have no defense.
No defense whatsoever against the wave of anti-Israel sentiment.
it. This is it. This is a byproduct of that. And that's why it's not, that's why it's not
a fucking accident. And it's not a secret that so many of these institutions, these supposedly
liberal institutions are also either refusing to reckon with the Islamophobia, refusing
to criticize it, or outright endorsing it. Okay? They're outright fucking endorsing it,
and it's very frustrating to see because these kinds of hateful narratives are not going
to stop with Muslims. They never do. Okay? It's not. It's going to design a society
that you do not want to live in. This is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany. And that is
precisely what's happening once again. So, if you think that if your pro is real, and
if you think like, oh, just stop with trans people, it'll stop with Muslims, it'll stop
with undocumented migrants is it won't. It won't. Those in positions of power will always
use tribalism and will always try to divide and conquer. And the antidote to that is solidarity.
The antidote to that is to fight back. The antidote to that is to say, this is not America.
America is the most diverse nation on the fucking planet. So stop leaning into
the shit man. I know that in the interim you might think oh well they're taking care of
my enemies this guy he hates Israel fuck this guy he's a he's a terrorist and you find yourself
swept away with this argument this no this notion that you know as long as we can ham
up the Islamophobic narrative as long as we can say all of Israel's critics are just obsessed.
They've lost their minds on Jew hatred. They're obsessed.
You might think that it helps you in the interim in the short term, but it's not.
It's not going to be helpful for you at all in the long term.
Your whiteness is also conditional. Your whiteness as a part of the in-group is also conditional.
And even then, our white Hispanics white. And then our Slavs white, our Jews white.
These will be the next conversations that they're having. And you won't have any allies by your
side at that point to defend you. So we got to nip this in the bud, ASAP.
This was happening in the past and it's happening now. Sammy Gold says, Islamophobia is the anti-Semitism
of the 21st century. It's focused on an insular, upwardly mobile minority who others use
escape code for their grander conspiracies. Islam leftism is the same valence as Judeo-Bolshevism.
What was the Jewish equivalent of ISIS in 9-11? People blame the ills of capitalism and the
existence of communism on the Jews. Yeah.
I hate how much it sounds like you're talking in 1930s, Jeremy. Well, in many respects, that
is what we're doing right now.
We heard from Lake. We heard from City Council members and we also heard from community members
before, during and after this City Council meeting.
This is an invasion on all fronts. Our people are being pushed out of the workplace.
being pushed out of city council that smug face of the taqiyah Muslims oh taqiyah
you know the thing that near attendant accused me of by way of by way of Laura
Loomer
needs to be wiped off these people's faces they would have you believe our
Our city is under siege.
This is no more than an attempt to stoke fear and could not be further from the truth.
To those who came to Dearborn, look into spread fear and division.
I say to you, come see the real Dearborn.
The majority of community members in Dearborn were calling on unity.
Live in Dearborn, Jordan borough, CBS News, Detroit.
And we should mention that we reached out to both Senate candidates who are running right
now for that important office, Mike Rogers and also Dr. Abdul Al-Sayed.
We did not hear back from Mike Rogers, wanted to know if he had any comments, thoughts
about what it is that happened in this state in which the entire world was watching.
Dr. Abdul Al-Sayed did agree to talk to us.
He joins us now live via Zoom and Dr. Al-Sayed, good to see you, thanks for joining us
here today.
I want to ask you, this is not the first time we've seen this type of thing happen
with Jake Lang or for instance with Terry Jones many years ago. How do you think it was handled?
How do you think it went?
Yeah, Rube, first, thank you so much for having me and I'm sorry to have to meet under these
circumstances because what you're seeing here is a bunch of out of state agitators coming
in defiance of the broad incredible America that we exemplify here in Michigan.
You know I got like Jake like bro if we fucking hated America
We would be Republican I will keep repeating this over and over again, okay, like who would put up with this shit
That's what's so crazy especially Abdul. I mean he loves he loves America all the way
I don't think I've ever met someone who loves America as much as this man does
or even sometimes I'm like all right man I get it okay and it's so it's so crazy
like like people will people will constantly do this to me too they're
like you fucking hate America it's like bitch I live here I can live anywhere
I want why do I live here and then the answer is all because you want to
and destroy America from within. Well, if I wanted to do that, why am I not a Republican?
Can we get over this ridiculous nonsense, the idea that Muslim Americans are here to
destroy the country? Why would anybody want to live in a country that they're destroying?
Yeah, if you're rich, you could live easily. It really doesn't make sense in an argument. Exactly.
I would have moved in your position. I know. I mean, plenty of people probably would have.
But I'm Ann Leslie Stubborn. I'm a socialist man. I'm a socialist in the United States of America.
You have to fucking have backbone. You have to be super, super stubborn.
Like every single person that comes in here and says that I am an Islamic jihadist who must be assassinated.
I want them to have health care. Okay. I want all of them to have free health care.
I want all of them to be able to go to college for free.
There's so much potential in this country that we're just casting inside
at the behest of the almighty dollar at the altar of the almighty dollar.
So that a handful of psychopathic, bloodless, parasitic capital monsters,
capital owning monsters can,
can generate unfathomable amounts of profit over and over again.
destroying everyone else in the fucking process.
It's coming to try and make news to try to highlight something he doesn't understand, which is the notion of an America that is big enough for all kinds of people.
I think about my household, I was raised by my father who's an Egyptian immigrant.
My stepmom Jackie, who's a daughter of the American Revolution, chances are her family's been here longer than Jen Clegg's.
And I got to grow up in this incredible household where we understood that whether I was talking to my parents or Muslim
Or my grandparents were deacons at the Presbyterian church or my uncle who's atheist
That the things that brought us together are so much bigger than the things that tear us apart now
It's always been this competition small people like Jake Lang or Donald Trump or Mike Rogers for that matter
Want to make America a lot smaller than we know it to be but I've had the privilege to travel across this state for the past
year plus I've been to 110 different cities and people aren't as interested in
how you pray they're interested in what you pray for if you pray what you hope
yeah what you want for your kids and that's the kind of America I know that's
the kind of Michigan I know dude look at Roop Roop Raj my goat
people like Jake Lane don't understand that you know you came to the
forefront again after 2018 running for governor and now in the Senate race the
visibility of that race of course across the world has been watched so much has
been written about you your wife your family your grandparents do you see a
rise in in this kind of sentiment from Jake Lang because of your ascent into
the limelight you know they've been trying to battle for a small America
where only some kind of people get to belong and the thing about that that
they don't understand is, you know, we just celebrated 250 years of an America built around
the idea of a government of the people by the people and for the people around the idea
that there shall be no religious test around the idea of Ipluribus Unum out of many one.
And the idea that somebody who has a name like mine or praise like I do could be elected
by his or her fellow Michiganders.
That's contrary to what America, the America that they wanted to be, but it's exactly
the America that our founding fathers understood our country to be a part of.
And I just want to say to all of the folks out there in Dearborn, all the folks out there
who are afraid today because of how they pray or because of where their family comes
from or because of what their name might be or who they love or how they identify
or all the different ways that people like Jake Lang might say that they don't belong,
that you do belong here, that this is your America too.
And the things that bring us together are what we believe in about what our country
can be.
can build together when we reach across those divides.
Not because we're all the same,
but because we all want the same things
when we look our kids in the eye.
And that's the opportunity I'm reaching for.
Dr. Aguilar Ossay, we thank you for your time here today.
Again, we should mention,
we reached out to you at the same time,
reaching out to your opponent,
see if they wanted to offer any thoughts as well.
We thank you for taking the time
to join us here tonight,
keeping it relatively, you know,
unpartisan here and just having the conversation
that's very, very important.
Thanks for your time here tonight.
You know, there's been an effort.
I'll build eyes beard.
I don't think so.
He's so good, man.
He's so good.
It's crazy.
We are fucking.
We're we're blessed with an incredible crop of talent.
I will admit, though.
I mean, if this is I don't even want to put that out in the world,
but if these guys disappointed,
this new crop, if this new gen disappointed me, I'll probably check out politics permanently.
Just, you know, well, I mean, I check out electoral politics permanently.
It's like one, one last great attempt.
Don't say that.
No, I'm just saying, it's not going to happen, it's not going to happen, these guys are not
going to disappoint us.
Yeah, new Senate poll in Michigan from Susquehanna, outside at 46, Rogers at 39, seems like the
base consolidation operation is working.
I didn't mean to check out politics completely. I'm sorry. I meant electoral politics.
My faith in institutions, everything is hanging by dental flaws.
I won't trust the polls for the next.
Next 20 years.
Asmongold appeared on Nick Fuentes's stream.
Really?
Son, his vice president, the joint chiefs, Tucker Carlson, who visited him three times.
Oh my God.
Isn't that nice?
Oh my God.
Aspen Gold decided to show up.
But Charlie Kirk was going to tip the scales?
Why?
Oh.
Because Charlie Kirk had a personal relationship with Trump?
So did Lindsey Graham.
contrast Trump's reaction to Charlie Kirk's death with his reaction on
crossover episode with asman gold
Oh, that's so nasty. What the fuck? That's nasty as hell, dude.
someone posted asmengold impressed
Oh, man.
Anyway, all right, folks, folks, folks.
AI image, why is the outside?
Yeah, you know, is AI image.
Here I'll run this one last Don LeMond. We're all lemonheads around here
Assob to well said his son Plaker about about me. This is happening. Why are they making this such a central part?
The opposition or opposition research or questioning about you. Do you wish you had done something differently?
Should you know are you gonna continue the campaign with us on?
They are desperately trying to
to distract us from the fact that you can't afford a full tank of gas.
Desperately trying to distract us from the fact that you came in trying to buy steak and ended up with some ground check.
Desperately trying to distract you from the fact that your car that you really really wanted to replace this year
not going to happen for you because you don't have the money.
Desperately trying to distract you from the fact that you're worried about your job being
being automated out by AI.
And let me just tell you, Donald Trump, Mike Rogers,
these are folks who actually did things
to create the circumstances that you're living in.
Donald Trump is wasting your tax dollars
fighting a war that's raising your gas prices.
He's done nothing about the inflation crisis
except for making it up.
And he's more interested in the drapes in his ballroom
than he is about whether or not you actually can afford
a house with another bedroom.
So, you know who didn't do those things?
A Twitch streamer.
Assan Pryker didn't raise your gas prices. Assan Pryker.
Well, you don't know that, man.
Maybe I did, okay?
Maybe I did.
You know what, fuck it, I'm taking credit for it too, you know?
At this point, might as well.
Never did anything about your grocery prices.
So they can go after him if they want.
And all that says is, you don't even have anything on me,
because you know what, I did.
I rebuilt the health department in the city of Detroit.
I led-
Damn, bro, live me out.
me out the drive. He said, you can go after him. No, I'll do it. I'll do it. Be like,
yeah, go after him. Not me. It's fine. I can tank it. Fuck it. Come after me. God damn it.
I made sure your kid had glasses. I made sure that you weren't swimming in medical debt. I made sure that your kid wasn't drinking leaded water in their schools. So it's funny because they're trying to attack me by way of somebody else who's not actually responsible for the problems that I'm actually trying to fix. It just shows that they've gotten nothing to actually run on. If you're Mike Rogers and your whole record was voting 19 times to raise prescription drug prices, what are you going to say? I'll look at him. He's got a name. You probably never met him.
thing to actually run on. If you're Mike Rogers and your whole record was voting 19
times to raise prescription drug prices, what are you gonna say? I'll look at him.
He's got a name. You probably never met anybody with a name like his. My name
didn't raise the gas prices. My name didn't vote to raise prescription drug
prices. Mike Rogers did that. So, you know, keep coming at us at the end of
the day, you know, like, you know, you can come at Hassan, you can come at
me, but I want to make sure that folks understand that what's at stake
right now is whether or not we want a sock puppet for Donald Trump to be worn from the
Oval Office to continue to offer zero check on policies that are wasting your tax dollars
that are leaving our servicemen and women stranded that helped to expand access to opioids
and push the opioid crisis from a guy who decided he wanted to live in Florida and
that's both of them, Donald Trump and my brothers.
I welcome their discussion if you were trying to attack me by way of a twitch streamer go ahead
But you know, I got a lot to say about what you actually did
It's good day
What is this I can have dinner with anybody I want and I'm not asking Benjamin Netanyahu's permission to do it
What the fuck is that clip bro
The market will stagnate so long as the resolution to hormones is not achieved. Trump signaled
this week. He's in no rush. And the markets are reacting to that. Now the admin has to
pull whatever tricks he can to ease the situation and put off a nosedive over the next few
months. But really there are only so many tricks in the bag.
All right. Last but not least, we got to look at Candace.
apparently I learned in this clip that I'm about to show you that Blake Neff
tweeted because it was it's her new line of attack against me. Here's what Blake
Neff wrote. He wrote, Hassan Piker is openly celebrating Candace Owens calling
her a queen because she single-handedly undermined the effort to
demotorize Charlie to go after the violent radical left. Hassan says that
Tyler Robinson probably did it but my heart says go Candace go because she
is helping the left so much. The radical, pro-violence left knows
exactly what a gift Candace and her ilk are to them. Okay. So I would like to actually
hear or have you guys hear what Hassan Piker said, and I would like to respond to this
is they're all pushing this around because, you know, we're supposed to accept the fed
slop of left versus right. And again, you're going to hear him say that I've had him blocked
for years. So it's even more ridiculous that they're trying to pretend or allude
to the idea.
has Candace on block B queen of this partnership between B and Hassan, Piper, Hassan, Piker,
but take a listen to what he says. I can't speak out against this queen because this
is a queen that successfully and single-handedly undermined the Republican initiative to murder
eyes charlie kirk and used that example to crack down dude you know what's really funny
all these people posted this clip and like half of them are like i can't believe i'm agreeing
with them like ben Shapiro did a fucking video about agreeing with me on this and then everyone
in the comments were like oh this guy is so stupid why is he revealing it it's like yeah
it doesn't matter dumbass i'm right but who cares it doesn't matter
you know what I mean like all of these people they're like I cannot believe a
Sompiker is just admitting this is he fucking stupid like for for so many of
these people they don't realize like maybe I just had the wrong opinion of this
dude. Maybe he is capable of critical thinking. You know what I mean? It's always funny like
their, their immediate reaction is just, uh, wow, what an idiot. Can't believe you've just openly
fucking admitted it dude. I'm always gonna say the truth. It's that simple on political
dissent. She dropped a grenade on the discourse. You understand? So I'm with her. It's hard.
hard for me. My brain says, no, it's probably Tyler Robison, but my heart says, go Candice
go, keep cooking. You know, does that make sense? I can't like her tweets because she
blocked me many, many years ago. This is before she became our hero. Okay. Um, many,
many years ago, Candice always blocked me. I've, I've not been a fan of Candice Owens.
I am a fan now.
I'm not exactly sure what I am supposed to have a problem with.
And this is kind of the running themes of what we are seeing in Brandy Zajazni's article is
that essentially they are saying Candice ruined an opportunity to pin this on the left, however
wrongly to unite the Republican, to create this sort of Republican initiative to just
start attacking the left.
wrongly doesn't really matter after Republicans were kind of fractured because people actually
care about pedophilia on the right.
The Epstein files mattered.
And we weren't accepting this idea of get focused, get midterms are around the corner, ignore
the Epstein files.
We said no, we are not going to ignore children being harmed.
We're not going to see ourselves as just Trump supporters who should be supporting him
no matter what.
Even when he effectively ran, you could certainly say, advance everyone around him, constantly
said, as soon as we get in there, as soon as he's around to do with the Episcene Files
Cache Patel, his administration was running on something that we cared about.
This is what they're essentially saying.
They're saying, you ruined an opportunity to however wrongly have us unite around Charlie's
death and stomp out the left for something that they didn't actually do.
Now here's what I'm going to say and offer backs of a left. All I did here was pursue truth. I
didn't do this for the lap. I didn't do this for the right. I did this for my friend Charlie Kirk
because I wanted to know who actually killed him. And I am not convinced this anything to do
with LGBTQ rights. If I, if I did, bro, this is going to hit that mom from that family podcast.
Dude, dude, we just unlocked an entirely new, uh, entirely new base.
Okay, we just unlocked an entirely new base. We unlocked the radical true crime loving
wine moms. Okay, this is big. This is huge. This might be the biggest base that we've
unlocked. Okay, not left, not right. Simply carrying the flame. You understand? Have
Have you ever thought about reperturing the phrase suicidal empathy?
It's so weaponized on immigrants, but really you Zora and Abdullah are keenly aware of
how much this country hates you yet you keep on.
That's not suicidal empathy.
It's just where we understand that we want to leave the world a better place than
we've received it, like the fuck.
being a an empathetic person.
If I was convinced of that, I would certainly be the biggest voice against it.
I think you guys probably know that, but I wanted to remember this because this
is not the first time as what Hassan is describing.
We had an event that could potentially, I'll say allegedly be coordinated by
the feds, which was meant to cause a left, right war.
Here is your homework, Hassan Piker.
Look into what actually happened on January 6th.
You took the bait the left took the bait. Okay. This was a different world. Yeah, I would say in 2020. I think that's when that happened
January 6 2020
No, it happened in 2021
That's crazy. She said do your homework and then gave the wrong assignment
Also, I was there
Like not physically there, but I literally was as close to being there as you possibly can be
Because I covered it live
alongside like 300,000 Americans watching I
Watched it in real I watched it in real time unfold
There were feds on the ground? Wow. No way. What? A massive gathering in the capital?
And you're telling me federal agents were there yet? Nick Fuentes was there? Fucking got him!
Some of the federal agents couldn't make it there because they got protection ahead
at a time like the head of the proud boys fucking got him times two.
Yeah, on duty cops, off duty cops.
It was different worlds.
We were all more divided.
I count myself among that as well, but none of us were willing to take a look at the
facts and we were going, oh, I'm team left or I'm team right.
And as more and more have come out, more and more has come out about what transpired on
that day, it was without question an opportunity for us to look up and see who rules over us
and who benefits from that.
Wait.
Wait, what does she mean by this?
Did the Jews do January 6?
Charlie Kirk was there. Charlie Kirk bussed people to January 6th. Is that what you're saying?
The French? Well, everyone knows. If you're a clandestine operator like I am,
everyone knows the original Jews are the French. Come on, this is it. I have done my homework.
I have done my homework. Everyone knows the Egyptians are French and the French are Jewish
Okay, come on foreign Legion at the scene of the crime for in Legion. Also there at January 6
Glenden East those are already defending you. Okay, dude fucking Christ. Take a day off
And people were wrongly arrested people
53 month subscriber Tom McCatman where do you stand on Israel just curious
Yeah to all the Jews in the chat
You might not know this, but you're actually French.
And perhaps maybe even a little bit Egyptian too.
Who were encouraged to go into the Capitol on that day.
If we're all seeing now for the first time that there is an effort by a minority, a very
powerful minority who doesn't actually care about left or right, to seize power from
citizens full stop by allowing something terrible to take place and then saying, here's what
we must get done.
Here's what we must pass, a la 9-11, then we both sides, so to speak, needs to do its
job and be realistic about it.
So I'm not anybody's hero or anybody's queen.
I am somebody who cares deeply about what happened on September 10th because my friend
was killed and I have the sense that we are being lied to about it, particularly
by the federal government. In particular, I feel the federal government is lying to us,
and I refuse to accept that it is my duty to blame it on the left if the left didn't do it.
What does plenty of things that they've been caught doing? And I-
It's so crazy, dude. The anti-Semitism is the socialism of fools is just forever.
Like, it's forever a lock. People who come like, people who inch
so close in the direction of the correct interpretation of what's going on like
people who are in positions of profound power operating it alongside their their
class interest and then immediately pivoting it to like no it's a shadowy
group of puppeteers who happen to all be Jewish that's that's what it is
Jewish people somehow both killed Charlie Kirk and got him to do January 6
Yeah
She also ends up saying no gods no masters. She's like I'm not your hero. I'm not your queen. I'm just looking for the truth
Use my platform to go after them I have no issue doing that
I'll do that tomorrow if that is the circumstance if they're doing something radical and wrong
I'll do that, but I'm not just gonna become a cheerleader
She says she's not anyone's queen a leader who does not want to crown as the one who deserves it the most. She is a queen
Yeah
Right and know that they are engaged in something very wrong and say well
It's okay because at least they vote Republican at the end of the day. I just said Jewish Bolsheviks killed 60 million Christians
I know I
Think even even Finkelstein was like no
Even Finkelstein who was sitting there that was the only time where he was like enough. That's not true
Okay. That's a nonsense. All of us need to raise ourselves above that sort of discourse
in the future. And yeah, I think it's actually happening. So there is something that I would
say is a positive that has come out of this. I mean, I don't think anybody would.
Yeah, I think it's really funny that I saw that clip someone was bringing up in the
in the chat. Nick Fuentes wearing his Jeffrey Epstein quarter zip while talking about how
Jews are responsible for all, all Bolshevism, all progressive initiatives. And it's really
hilarious to do that while wearing a Jeffrey Epstein quarter zip, you know, covered in bugs,
I guess. But it's nowhere near. It'll never be as funny. And I keep thinking about
this over and over again, it'll never not be hilarious that Nick Fuentes' entire career,
his trajectory, his downfall, and now his like resurgence, all revolves around the idea that
organized Jewry is responsible for everything that's ever happened in Western civilization
that's wrong, including Jews doing 9 11, including Jews doing the war on terror, including Jews
killing JFK. And except, except for Charlie Kirk, and to me, that is more insane. And makes
less sense than Candace Owens's theory, which is no Jews did everything and Charlie Kirk.
It'll never not be funny to me that a guy who literally thinks Jews did all of these things,
but just the Charlie Kirk one is a bridge too far, okay?
So of course this fan base is like, what are you a federal agent?
You've told me Jews did JFK, you told me Jews did 9-11, but now you're saying they
didn't do Charlie Kirk?
Of course they're going to fucking go to Candice Owens.
is they're going to be like, no, I'm looking for someone who will tell the truth.
It's just so funny to draw your line in the sand
on Charlie Kirk. That's it. They did 9-11, but not 9-10. Okay. Here's the clip.
Yeah. The Jews created communism. Please buy my Epstein merch.
Yeah, and it's always funny because these grouper council be like Nick Fuentes names who created the left behind every left-wing movement
You have Jewish lawyers Jewish judges Jewish organizations Jewish billionaires heart seller acts civil rights movement women's liberation gay liberation
It's like yeah, that's not a
Like why am I supposed to look at that and be like that's a bad thing?
I mean, there's a little bit of truth to that. Yes, Jews
very progressive Jews were, you know, at the scene of the quote unquote crime, I guess, but like, that's not a bad thing.
That's, it's not a bad thing at all.
That's why it's like, insane.
Thanks for giving us credit for all the best aspects of America.
No, but it's just like funny to just literally say Jews are responsible for societal decay
organized jury has done all of these things, but the Charlie Kirk thing no, that's where
I draw the line in the sand.
Okay, that's the one thing Jews didn't do.
just, it's just such a funny point to make. And he just, he's just so frustrated that
his audience are becoming, um, what he calls stupid antisemites as though there's a level
of antisemitism that's smart. But somehow these guys are, you know, going past that
point, this vulgar antisemitism, not the, the intellectual antisemitism that he
demonstrates. Yeah, in some ways, it's kind of funny because he's going through the Ben
Shapiro route. Ben Shapiro trafficked in these idiotic conspiracies over and over again,
obviously not anti-Semitic ones, but he trafficked in everything that, you know, a neo-Nazi
would inevitably come in and say, yeah, Jews did all of that. Like it's the same
fascist conspiracies that Ben Shapiro believes in, right? But instead of blaming Jewish people,
Ben Shapiro always said, oh, it's like societal, societal elites. It's societal elites that
are doing this. It's liberals that are doing this and some bad Jews that are doing this.
That's like Ben Shapiro's response to it, right? And then his audience were like, oh, thank you
for educating me on, you know, the dangers of the, the third world that have come here.
who's brought them here? And then someone else came in and said, oh yeah, Ben's lying to you
because he's Jewish himself. It's the Jews that brought them here. And everyone was like, wow,
that makes a lot of sense. And now that's someone who ate away at Ben Shapiro's audience.
Nick Fuentes is losing his audience to Candace Owens because she's pushing it past
the Charlie Kirk assassination limit. This totally arbitrary line that Nick
Fuentes for some strange reason has presented.
Jews did cultural Marxism, Frankfurt School, they did everything they're doing.
Unlimited third world migration. They're doing everything. They did 9-11.
They they did the JFK assassination, but not Charlie Kirk
Can you talk about anything other than Israel and the Jews all the time my friend
If you had working brain cells you would understand that I'm actually making fun of dumbass
Anti-semites right now, but of course you don't have any fucking working brain cells because you're a dumb fuck
Israel supporter
dumb fuck israel supporter who hears me making fun of prominent anti-semites and being like
this is all ridiculous nonsense and immediately goes
I can't talk about anything I can use I came here out of curiosity why are you so aggressive
why am I aggressive because you're a fucking idiot
is your fucking cattle.
This is your opportunity to exercise critical thinking skills and be like,
you know, I thought this was a song guy was this fucking vicious anti
semi, but here he is making fun of vicious anti semites.
You're putting false labels on people all the time.
I don't support Israel.
Okay, so why'd you say, can you talk about anything other than Israel and the Jews?
That's your first ever comment in here while I'm shitting on an anti-Semite.
Yeah, bad faith hidden is just curious. I'm just curious.
Yeah, came here for the first time, but apparently knows what I talk about all the time, which seemingly is always about Israel and the Jews.
Hmm. Which is it? Which is it, buddy?
I'm not making those claims. Stop your victim complex, please. No, no, no. We gotta have this guy on. We gotta hear more from this fucking dickhead.
Asking for a friend don't ask who can you please stop talking about Israel
Hey a long time watcher first-time caller here
I really like the commentary. It'd be really cool if you just stop talking about Israel. Just don't worry about it
Don't talk about it I am bandim but
We need more pets
That's what we need I miss my pets
Also, I'm not talking about the Jews. I'm talking about the French.
It'll never not be funny to me, man.
All right. That's all I got for today.
Oh,
it's all I got tomorrow.
Instead of Israel, we're going to be talking about Estonia, the glorious nation.
Estonia, my first love. Estonia, the best nation on the planet. Estonia that deserves $10 billion in annual defense spending.
Yeah, I love Estonia, my life for Estonia. Estonia comes to me in my dreams. I'm also going to have
Um, battle a summer of the lawn.
Remember that lady who like defended me on Wilcane and then I had to apologize for it?
Yeah, I'm going to talk to her in person as a matter of fact.
Um, so that's it, tomorrow, dual stream on Bilibili.
Yeah, I'll get back to the Bilibili team and see if we can start dual streaming on it again because I'll be down. I'll be down to do it for sure.
But yeah, folks, folks, folks, folks.
Love you guys and see you tomorrow.
Your tie game has been really exciting. Thank you. Shouts out to the chatter, on TikTok, who got
this for me. Anyway, space everybody. Love you all. Bye bye.
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