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Do you not understand the English language?
What's going on everybody? I hope everyone's having a fantastic evening afternoon pre-new no matter where you are in the world
I'm a son piker in this thousand-hour broadcast coming to you live
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Early on this beautiful Sunday, it's Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, September 6th, 2026, 10, 39 AM Pacific time and here in Chicago, Illinois, it is 1239 PM Chicago time in any case, folks, we're live, we're live and we got a lot going on.
And we are going to get into it. We're gonna be talking about all of it. But before I do all of that
This is a part of the broadcast where I tell you about my personal news about what's going on in the world of the
Sonhouse and I'm a piker in between the time period where I press the stop-stream button and press the start trimming button
And that's precisely what we are going to be doing
Jim Axel, thank you for the 25 and what Kami says, thank you for the gift of subs as well.
It's September, it's plus 35% off gift of subs, I believe, if I am not mistaken.
So yeah, live vote running in Saxony and Halt, Germany right now.
I know, the far right is winning and it's probably going to win.
We're going to be talking about that.
Yes, we're getting the restart of Nazi Germany 2.0,
the fourth Reich, if you will, before Grand Theft Auto 6,
not the greatest turn of events,
not the greatest sequence of events
that you want to start your Sunday off with,
but we'll be talking about that more.
Also, we're at level four hype train.
In any case.
Yes, it's Omega cooked.
Have you watched a homeland?
No, I did.
I don't know why I said no, but I didn't watch the entire show.
In any case, personal news-wise, after the tumultuous setup saga
With the interview as we tried to deliver to you a higher production, higher quality production, and failed to do so.
I ended the broadcast last night after the Devonochet conversation. It was really enlightening. It was really good.
But after that conversation, I ended the broadcast, and I did my final interview with this guy
who's been trailing along, this long last hour interview that we did.
Very excited to see what this piece looks like eventually, not exactly certain how it's
going to go, but he has gotten deep insight and deep access.
But yeah, Bill and Chicago Dog, what's the plan today?
Today, I am going to be speaking at a panel in a little bit in a couple hours.
Take a look at exactly when it's supposed to be, but I'm going to be doing a panel
in a couple hours with Chandra I left insurgents and liberal exhaustion consolidating power from below
right gotta say I'm not down with extra long shirt collar style it's like fucking costume
manager for the 60s and good fellas dressing him I like it so sucks to suck for you yes we have
a new aim on animations I'll be it's already queued up I will be watching it and no I have
not had a Chicago dog or Chicago pizza at all. I haven't really had time to do
anything because I'm live all the time. In any case, that's what I'll be doing a
little bit.
The trailer for the new season of Z-Way Drop featuring you. I posted my first
YouTube video. Anyway, I feel like you're trying to do got your journalism or
something. Yes, I am. Oh. And then another. Name some of your white friends.
Nah.
You don't have any.
Your boys wearing J crew jeans.
Got white friends.
And then another.
Are Indians the black people of Asians?
You wanna sound bite?
No one cared.
But that didn't stop me.
The world shut down so I started back up.
I tried again and again.
I created a wave.
Hello!
We did it!
And I got canceled.
But I didn't stop.
What is this show?
Lesbians are the super species.
Are we living in health?
Absolutely.
The more gay you are,
I'm sorry the more homophobic you become.
I'm going.
I think men have a right to share their thoughts with the world.
I think we have an obligation to most of us.
I just like to make love to myself a lot.
And go.
This is cornbread bread.
Shut up.
No it is.
I should be present.
How about that?
You?
Sure.
I wanted to quit.
You took time to dress up to look nice.
Oh my God.
Many.
She's so cute.
Many times.
I'm against stupid people.
But I'm a creator.
I can't do anything but create.
I have to slug myself out a little bit.
I'm hitting the gas all over again.
The voice in my head is totally unscaring of us.
I learned about pegging a week ago.
I didn't flip this table over. This is bullshit.
Z-Way.
Please.
This has never happened before.
Were my questions that hard?
Was that me?
I guess you'll find out.
Why are you live? You need to sleep and then come back and yell at AFD.
I'm live. I'm alive.
Gaby is getting here to stop talking his honor. What is this? Oh, okay. Listen. Um,
it wasn't you. Was it you taught that person about pegging, right? I don't know. Yeah,
I that'd be crazy. That'd be crazy if she actually released our interview on 9 11. That'd
be fucked up. Anyway, where was I? Yeah, personal news wise. So we did the interview. I went
to bed. I slept a whole lot, woke up, did photo shoot. That's pretty much it. I've just been
doing a little bit of reading, trying to wrap my head around the rise of neo-Nazi movements
in the country that invented the Nazi movement,
and that's what I've been trying to contend with
this entire morning.
Also, I saw that Kristen Welker still at it.
Seemingly, mainstream media has still not gotten enough
of the Hassan outrage manufacturing.
There's also an interview that I gave to Fox News
Yesterday, like a very long one, and they're distributing it,
I think, across the board on all these other Fox outlets.
In any case, where was I?
That's it.
There's not really much going on.
I am tired.
Beauty, heart, thirsting for you.
What is this?
Oh, this is a video of me.
If a sound reads my comment, he'll stream.
If a sound reads my comment, he'll stream shirtless.
Always making sounds that can't be taken seriously.
He's really sexy.
Is he natty?
People work out in the U.S. generally use steroids.
Where's the fat?
Not even a belly.
How can there be fat?
I'm running around circles in Chengdu.
Start eating.
It's because he's handsome.
My salad's waiting to be tossed.
Okay, Chinese netizens, you win this round.
I will be back.
I want him to fuck me.
Okay, we broke the Chinese netizens.
I'm gonna be honest with you,
normally they have such pros.
They're so poetic, but this video
made the Chinese netizens go absolutely feral.
Okay, made the made the Chinese netizens go feral no longer are they using the
poetic pros that they normally would deploy? They are not doing that. Okay,
so
yeah apparently they goon just as hard as Americans do. Very interesting. All right,
So we got a lot to talk about, even though there's not really much going on in the news,
like there isn't any major developments taking place.
We're in the calm before the storm period, as I like to call it, before the Republican
National Convention starts for the midterms.
This is the calm before the storm, before the curcursory on 9.10, 25th anniversary of
9.11.
It's obviously going to be a media barrage, the, the, I mean, I would love to be wrong
about this, but I suspect that this will bring back the, the Cassandre arrangement syndrome
in a way that is far more consequential and far worse than even before.
But we are in the calm before the storm period for the time being.
elections, AFD surges in German elections, Chicago, socialism panel today, Sunday
Funday, US Russia Keef, meetup, great closed oil rises, get in now.
All right, so I was thinking for the Kirk aversary, I might like go back and revisit our debates go back and revisit our debates potentially. This is what they're going to do to you.
Yeah. Do we have a blast off meme?
Honduras gate.
We could talk about Honduras gate on Monday.
I will talk to someone who did deep investigative reporting on.
Deep investigative reporting on.
operation Southern Spear.
So for the Latino Hassanabi heads,
the South American Hassanabi heads, you will see
a lot.
You'll get some
you'll get some decent coverage out of that.
Anyway, blast off meme here.
It's not that link is not working man. Look, this is the requested page cannot be found.
Okay, the link you're sending me on Imgur is not working.
Oh, before I forget, of course, the obligatory the obligatory I condemn is on piker got to say that got to get that out of the way.
So, um, but yeah, I did a Fox news interview and they're using some of those interviews. If we have a, if we have a blast off Nemo, I'll put it on here and we'll get started. Okay. Do we have one?
Ladies and gentlemen, do we have one?
Doesn't seem like we have one.
Okay, I'm going to blast off with a heinous.
I'm going to blast off with some heinous.
I'm not so nice.
It's going to mess you guys up.
Egg boy, professionally misunderstanding again.
Please check this thread out.
Yes.
Classic.
Oh shit. Hello. Oh my God. Did Donald Trump brick? Did Donald Trump's ugly face unironically
break the stream like that's that's actually never
since I landed in Chicago we haven't had F's at all with the exception of you know production issues but we haven't really had any F's due to the internet or anything like that
that's crazy I think my I think my man is so ugly that it might have break the computer it might have break my internet I don't even know
For real
They're saying he's got the wettest face of all time I don't know why it got removed
This was the last of me, okay
Yeah, you're not ready for it you're not spiritually or
Psychologically ready for wet hot Trump. Okay. He's wet. He's hot. He's moist
He's unlike anything you've ever seen before, honestly.
Human beings should not be looking this sloppy.
He looks like a sloppy steak.
That's what he looks like.
He looks like a rotisserie chicken that was left under that lamp.
But then they sprayed it with some water to try to make it look more edible.
But it somehow made it less appetizing.
That's what Donald Trump looks like to me in this photo.
The only redeemable quality of this photograph is that you don't get to see the NUSSI
with all of its moist qualities.
Homie, you missed a great concert on Friday night.
What?
Kanye West?
Is that what you're saying?
Is that a joke?
I know he was doing it, was doing a concert in his hometown after all.
140,000 people attended.
140,000 people attended the conference.
I don't think people care necessarily about, I don't think people care
people care necessarily about the Hitler support coming from all the A anyway we
got new aim on animations obviously we'll be watching that so yeah we got a lot to
talk about them more
Madaglacius watches or at least doesn't watch.
I feel like this new meta is really interesting for even like the supposed quote-unquote readers
and writers in liberal intelligentsia.
Maybe it's not a new meta, maybe it's the old meta, but they constantly, they constantly
faint ignorance. Their whole shtick is like, I don't really understand this thing that people are
clearly describing. Maybe it's not an old meta for me. I mean, maybe it's not a new meta,
for Maddie Glacius. I think he's been doing this for quite a long time now. That's his whole shtick
is, uh, I don't quite understand this insert easily definable thing, easily understandable thing.
Yeah, here is obviously Kam Kasky coming after Madaglacey is what those support their right
to self defense mean exactly. This is of course Jasper Nathaniel friend of the show.
Our friend Jasper Nathaniel, who's done phenomenal work in the West Bank, covering settler violence,
going on Tommy V. Torres' Pod Save the World.
And in that conversation, Jasper lays it down.
He says, a few ways politicians can be fully and truly pro-Palestine, number one, support
their right to self-defense.
Number two, endorse a single democratic state, or if you're still a two-state supporter,
plan to force Israel's hand militarily or stop lying about the idea of a Jewish and Democratic Israel.
Okay. And Matiglasius says, what does support their right to self-defense mean exactly? Cameron
Kaskier responds with a compilation of Matiglasius going, don't really understand. I don't really
understand. I don't really understand. Matiglasius is in a permanent state of not understanding
things. Very difficult for him to understand things. He's permanently unable to understand.
That is how it works for Mataglacius. I don't think he's as dumb as he represents himself
as he carries himself as. I think he's a professional misunderstander, always very
confused. It's interesting because people try to explain things to him, and that only
confuses him further. In any case, some people responded to Mataglacius, that's who we're
starting off with, and by some people I mean literally Jasper Nathaniel himself. He first
starts off by saying, maybe watch the video, Matt. Mataglacius responds, in the video
you don't explain what this entails. Like do I just say I support Palestinians,
to self-defense, and then move on with my life? Do I send them guns? What does this mean?
Why don't you start by thinking about whether you believe Israelis have a right to defend
themselves against terrorism, and if so, what that entails? Then, pretend, in your mind,
that Palestinian lives are of equal value. Use transitive property. That was Jasper
Netanyel's initial response.
Matiglesias turns around and says, of course Palestinian lives have equal value,
But I would still like you to explain to me what is entailed by supporting Palestinian
right to self-defense.
What would I need to do to count as someone who supports this?
Just say I support it, or do I have to do something?
Jasper Netanyel responds with, you can say I support Palestinian right to arm struggle
against violent settlers who invade their villages.
Then, when Israel kills these people and calls them terrorists as it did last month
in TAL, you can call it a state committing extrajudicial murder and act accordingly.
Then Matiglacius responds with, so I took part of your point to be that just saying
I support a two state solution or whatever is meaningless because words don't support
actually, words of support don't actually do anything.
So I'm asking you again, what does act accordingly mean?
What do you want me to do?
Pull arms embargo, sanctions, if the IDF continues killing civilians and actively
backing the land theft efforts, perhaps an FTO designation is in the cards.
Maybe arm support for the Palestinians under attack at some point, you on board.
Madaglacius finally arrives at, nope, I think we should end Aida Israel and then try to
be as uninvolved with the situation as possible, but thank you for explaining.
Well, it turns out, Madaglacius was always going to arrive at this conclusion, and
The entire back and forth was obviously just bullshit.
The entire back and forth that Matt Iglesias had with Jasper
Netanyel was him playing dumb, because we already know what his
actual position is.
And that is, whatever is the most manageable way that Israel
can continue doing ethnic slaughter of the Palestinian
population, adjusted to the current attitudes from broad
American society and current resentment in the direction of Israel. He will adjust it,
because like two years ago, Matiglasius would have said, full-till support, let them defend themselves
when talking about Israel. Nowadays he understands that this is not a very popular position,
so he has to say things like, well, maybe we just stop sending arms there, but also let them,
You know continue doing wholesale ethnic slaughter of all Palestinians
We should be uninvolved. Well, that's a little bit too late for us to say we should be uninvolved
Considering that we started off being very involved
Jasper says cool definitely easy to avoid grappling with the gravity of what Israel is doing in the West Bank
Here's the full episode if you feel like learning more
It is pretty wild to me that Maddy Glaciers won't even commit to sanctions, by the way.
He's just like, yeah, let's just stop sending weapons now.
Now that those weapons have been used for the last three years, well, for the last
80, let's be real, but certainly for the last three years to continue doing a genocide.
So a call and response to this final statement from Manus says,
Hi, yes, I'd like to make my entire personality out of my
churlishness, vindictive impulses.
And could you please throw in some deliberate obtuse-ness
and a blinding self-regard that scientists can only replicate
by staring at the sun for hours at a time?
Yeah, God forbid we do any sanctions on Israel.
That would be devastating.
God forbid we stop sending arms to Israel.
That would be devastating, devastating for what?
Israel's genocidal ambitions.
We can't stop doing that.
So yeah, a lot of these guys will say, of course, I, I, I view
Palestinian lives as equal to Israeli lives.
But obviously if that was the case, then you would be maybe a little bit
more mad about the Israeli government.
Perhaps you would be demanding some sanctions on the Israeli government.
you'd want some accountability against the Israeli government for the crime of genocide.
So these guys, one, don't even want to recognize that it's a genocide.
And two, even if they were to do that, they certainly, they certainly, if they were to
Finally, he egged on to recognize the genocide.
Then they would still turn around and say, well,
we shouldn't do anything about it.
That doesn't make much sense, does it?
That doesn't make much sense, does it?
Dan Arrows, thank you for the raid.
Hope you had a good stream, even though the news was
devastating coming out of Germany.
Vocal frying hardcore today, am I?
Petty also had a response to Madaglacias says,
if we're really going to be as neutral as possible,
then that would mean making it equally legal
for Americans to support either side.
Could you support putting terrorism sanctions
on the settlements or taking Hamas off the terrorist list
and then letting them use US banks?
Of course, here's the problem.
Madaglacius doesn't support neutrality in this situation.
That's a lie.
And neutrality in this situation
is obviously not enough either.
But Madaglacius doesn't even have
a neutral position on this.
He has a pro-Israel position on this.
he's totally and completely pro-Israel. But unfortunately for him, that has become a
less, that has become a less manageable and less popular position to outright be
in defense of, to outright be in support of, and that's precisely the reason why
he can't openly say it out loud. Yeah, people like Noah Smith and Matt Iglesias
have tried to retool their commentary on this issue as time has gone on and it's
become increasingly more difficult to openly defend Israel and they're trying
to manage their comments around it. The American Zionist strategic retreat into
I don't care after a lifetime of supporting Israel in its aims almost
tragic but probably necessary says Hamid Ben Doss and unfortunately for the
Israelis not a message they themselves can use nor one they can afford to catch to have catch on in the West
This has been very funny
After saying
Yeah, no do everything you possibly can Israel give him hell Israel
You have every right to murder as many Palestinians as possible Israel. These guys are now retreating to
Well, why do you care so much?
Shouldn't we just leave them alone? I care about American related things
I don't care about what's going on over there very interesting perspective. We heard how you were excited when Israel was conducting its genocide
There's also one comment from Adam Johnson that I have to agree with unfortunately
Malcolm Harris says the Democratic Zionist establishment is so wash man
We're aiming all their fire. They're aiming all their firepower at a single internet streamer and they're losing
To which Adam Jocelyn replies with,
I humbly disagree with this sentiment.
The Democrat Zionist establishment is successfully
flooding the zone with another fake anti-Semitism crisis
while major progressive electeds barely mention Palestine
at all anymore.
There's little direction and no pressure on said establishment.
I think people view changing polls
showing the public to be vaguely more pro-Palestine
as a win.
I don't think this matters much since the inertia
is doing all the work, for the pro-Israel DC consensus.
This shift in public sentiment has done little to change the fundamental dynamics.
Lefty-electeds like Mamdani and ASEE still pledge loyalty to the most influential member
of the Demzionist establishment, Hakim Jeffries.
There is zero heightening of contradictions, zero effort to make demands of any 2028 candidate,
zero real pressure at all.
Shifting polls are good.
But in and of themselves, they don't mean much.
The genocidal status quo remains.
Are we any closer to sanctions?
and Bargo, we are not. Liberal Zionism is very sophisticated at counterinsurgency and
generic pro-Palestine sentiment is easily neutralized.
So while I do feel hopeful about the future of this movement, about what we could possibly
accomplish, about how much we can claw back American militarism, Adam Josson's statement
is unfortunately correct because the real issue at the heart of this problem is whether American
democracy is real or not. Whether liberal capitalist democracy will ever yield a democratic result or not.
Okay, that's the issue.
And this is not just for the United States of America. I brought up a similar perspective
when talking about England as well when talking about the UK on the one hand they offered a
slight
Conditional recognition of Palestinian statehood while simultaneously continuously punishing people who were actually critical of
the Israeli government's actions or the British government's actions in collaboration with the Israeli genocide
So on the one hand they were still cracking heads
still prosecuting people, or even holding up a placard that said, I support
Palestine action. On the other hand, they were offering some slight
recognitions to Palestinian statehood. So obviously, this duality still
exists. This contradiction still exists.
So yeah, we still have a lot of work to do. Make no mistake. Anyway, now let's start with
Mitch McConnell. By Amon Animations, he's done did it again folks.
In a religious war here, I am with Israel, do whatever the hell you have to do to defend
yourself, level the place.
So we have a commander-in-chief in President Trump, who I think is Ronald Reagan, plus,
plus, plus.
I go back to South Carolina, I'm asking them to send their sons and daughters over to
the mid-east, step forward and say, this is my fight, too.
Forget it.
I'm not with you.
I'm with Israel.
I'll be with Israel for our dying day.
finishing the NDA this week.
We've been good about the arts and cooperation
and a string of
and see this.
That's right.
It's lost.
It's interesting.
you know what I'm saying?
Do you want to say anything else?
So this is the coming up on the morning of the year.
Good dig gets you frozen up like that folks.
You know what I'm saying?
That's what it is really.
don't realize that, but that's what's going on here.
And new tonight Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear says he received calls from two
different agencies suggesting US Senator Mitch McConnell had died before
is released from the hospital July 12th.
Daddy, daddy watch me tomorrow.
Daddy, watch my dancing.
So I just want to say I feel good about the Republican Party.
I feel good about where we're going as a nation.
We're killing all the right people, we're cutting their taxes.
I'm not even sure what's going on.
Trump is my favorite president.
We've run out of bombs.
We didn't run out of bombs at World War II.
We're learning that longtime Republican Senator Lindsey Graham has passed away.
His office says he died on Saturday night.
Bro, this reminds me of Max Payne.
The, the, the nightmare sequences in Max Payne.
It used to terrify me when I was a kid playing that game.
After a day call of grief and sudden illness.
I mean, like, how long have we been pushing?
He loves blowing stuff up, so my God determines that you die.
Ladybug.
I
Have a date the grammar
This might be his most terrifying one yet perhaps it's because the closer it is to the truth
this scarier it gets you know let's see if there's a son tyker says that
Congratulations to AIM on Animations, honestly. That was incredible. Is it effing? Is it glorping?
Is that what happened? Yeah, so we still don't know about Mitch McConnell's whereabouts for the record.
We still have no idea about Mitch McConnell's whereabouts at all and perhaps we never will
Who knows who knows folks
Like I said though, I did a interview with Fox and I think
I think some of the clips are on and being circulated in Fox News outlets.
Some of them have actually gotten a lot of scrutiny, a lot of anger.
Let's take a look at the dams and the socialists should learn from that watch.
Is there anything you think the Democrats should learn, haven't learned from the so-called
move and how they would be able to, when that's political power, say it all the time, be bold,
be bold, be brave.
I think, I mean, I disagree with Damnear, everything Donald Trump says.
Having said that, however, he is a bouldering force.
And it is undeniable that he was able to break the backs of the Republican establishment.
Is the vision that some biker has for America still the wealthiest country in the world
still a military superpower, a place where people from overseas come to give us medical
treatment, do you think all those things are attainable in the socialist future and the
vision?
I think those things are only attainable in the socialist future vision because right
now we're losing sight of that.
Our allies, men adversaries alike, now view China in a more favorable manner than
they view us. And that's crazy to me.
So aside from the fact that he's a millionaire from Southern,
why is this film like a deposition? I don't know.
I don't know why the, uh, why the footage is so dark,
why it looks so much like a deposition. But, um,
you know, I had some pretty solid responses.
California housing, you know, socialist, uh,
communism, he's got a point. And to be fair,
The energy in the Democrat Party, much of what Charlie was alluding to, is with guys like this,
not with Hakeem Jeffries, and certainly not with Chuck Schumer.
Damn.
Well, I'll just join us, Miri, by giving you stolen California Valor.
I mean, sure. There was also Andrew Colvidt, Charlie Kirk's, you know, the Turning Point USA guy.
He got really mad because I was obviously asked about, I was asked about Charlie Kirk.
And I said like, I said what I have said already, I was like, could you imagine a world where
Republicans would condemn, Republicans would condemn other candidates, you know?
Here is Eric Doherty first came out and said, holy crap, a Sompiger just compared himself
to the renowned Charlie Kirk with a straight face.
Right? And I don't really like that comparison because I think I do something very different
than what Charlie does, or Charlie did, right?
But it's very funny that these guys get mad about the comparison itself.
At the end of the day, I'm a platform, right?
And I don't think that on the Republican side, for example, people would complain, Republicans
would complain about Charlie Kirk operating as a surrogate for Republican candidates
in general.
I don't think other Republicans would be critical of a thing like that.
I mean, there's a lot of people out there that would say he is nothing like Charlie Kirk.
Yeah. Holy crap. You're no Charlie Kirk level surrogate traitor.
Charlie loved America, wanted to stop the Islamic invasion and communist takeover, didn't justify violence,
and his rhetoric was logical and respectful, unlike Piker's vile comparison.
He thinks he's the left version of Charlie. He's not even close.
Okay. Very telecom, the media establishment that Fox of all places was the first one to offer you an interview. Yes. Of course.
Andrew Cuomo says, you're not a platformist on to quote your buddy Abdul. You're just some streamer from California.
This is a very funny take that these guys have. I saw Spencer Pratt do this to where it's like, I don't know what they're doing.
doing I guess it's more so like trying to insult me I am a streamer from California I am just a
streamer from California I say it myself personally right so I find it very funny that these guys would
be like well you know like your buddy Abdul he dissed you I'm like you think I give a shit
I want Abdul al said to win okay I want Abdul al said to win that's what I care about I don't
I don't care about the drama that you are trying to concoct in the process.
Because you're a Turkish Silver Spoon socialist who hates America, celebrates political violence and mocks the dead.
Charlie gives life to building America up.
You profit off of tearing it down. You're a photographic negative of everything Charlie stood for.
Now what's really interesting about this statement is I do agree with the second part of this.
i am a photographic negative of everything charlie stood for
this is correct
having said that
i would say
charlie gave his life not to building up america but profit off of tearing it
down
what i'm doing is trying to build
robust social safety nets for all americans
but that's the reality here
it is uh... it is a uh... bizarre a world uh... complete photo negative
photographic negative
just not in the way that you think it is
You aren't worthy of uttering his name, let alone comparing yourself to him.
And then the rest of the comments are literally like, we should kill this person.
I love that the Republicans always in this permanent status, in this permanent, um,
in this permanent duality, on the one hand, they were like, these guys are not
sufficiently respecting our fallen soldiers.
and then and then they'll be like and it's because they want they love political violence they want to do it and
Then very quickly in the same breath. We'll turn around and say we should kill this person for his statements
That I disagree with they'll be like Charlie Kirk got killed because
People didn't like what he had to say he got killed for his words
Which is why we should kill this other guy whose words we don't like
counter focused on tweets are making bank lately yeah I know I know I've seen
this you're unironically yeah don't give this guy any attention by the way it's
like very clearly another one of these like stalker operations that just got
launched you're unironically proving his love for America with this one Dan
ooh let's go let's give fuck Queen Pac watch smoking on the Queen Pac it's
like they're liberals in the United States of America if they actually are
in the United States of America have now taken to criticizing me for making jokes at the Queen's
expense. They've become pro British monarchy. Very cool. Anyway, there are a lot of these like
stalker ops. What is this? You were featured in another segment about AOC.
about that convention of Democratic socialists out in Chicago.
Fox Digital was able to talk to Hassan Piker who's out there along with the national spokesperson
that is the DSA spokeswoman that basically is talking about whether or not AOC might
even be there candidate in 2028, watch this.
I think she's great.
She would have some difficulties, of course.
I think that her age, her background, these are going to be.
And the fact that she was also cast aside as a dangerous radical for many, many years,
I think that billions of dollars of earned media over the last decade will obviously
shape the way people see her, but hurdles can be climbed over.
And I think she can do it.
I think there's a lot of enthusiasm for AOC.
If we're gonna throw our way behind AOC or anybody, it's only, that weight is only going
to be able to move anything if we're all bought in.
I think that the congresswoman would be viable no matter what decision that she makes.
And I think that she would make a good whatever it is that she wants to pursue.
I think they're right.
I think she's a viable candidate.
She's making all kinds of moves that are really interesting, by the way.
He's been meeting with the Maha group, which Maha is a Trump campaign, came out of the Trump
campaign.
But the issue is bipartisan.
The issue draws in independence.
And there is some people upset on the right over some things that weren't done, like
in terms of glycophates and so forth.
So there's an opening for somebody like AOC to come in and possibly take some issues that
she likes in terms of environmental, she likes the glycophates and the poisoning of our soil
and all of those things were traditionally Democrat issues.
And so she's looking at that and studying into it and bringing her people in to have
very serious conversations.
Look at these numbers here.
This is a Granite State poll out of the University of New Hampshire survey poll and Alexandra
Cortez is at 22 percent, Pete Bitter Judge at 21.
Look at Gavin Newsom, only at 8 percent, what do you think of the poll?
Yeah, Bernie's still on these two, put Bernie up on that poll, give Bernie to AOC, that's
28 percent, we take those.
Anyway, I don't know why the color is so off on this.
I don't know why they all look green.
They're green for an amazing reason,
except for Bernie Sanders where they're like,
look, everyone looks terrible except for my goat Bernie.
That's cool.
Anyway, these polls are all so stupid.
They're so inconsistent.
It's my least favorite type of poll
because one week it's like Pete Buttigieg is surging
and then the next week it's like AOC is at the top.
That inconsistency is ridiculous. It means that it's utterly irrelevant, right?
There are obviously better polls out there, like for example this one, which is much more direct.
This new one that came out. Are you a supporter of progressive causes from survey monkey?
I don't know how valid this poll is necessarily, but I like it. I like the responses that I got from this
Survey monkey poll says are you a supporter of progressive causes 58% say they support progressive causes only 42% say they support the Democratic Party
Good
Our movement is growing
That's good.
Anyway, not a joke. Comer warns of the dangers of social...
This year, Socialism Conference activists are discussing issues like, quote,
health fascism, black left feminism, and defeating ICE.
Hassan Piker spoke at one of the panels where he received a special gift from an audience member.
We have a lot of people waiting, so if it's possible, if we can thank you so much.
And also once you guys asked it, oh, yeah, this is for me.
Well, right after I said that, that's crazy.
That's crazy.
Satan's School of Gay Communism.
That's what this ad says.
Well, thank you.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, looks about right.
Piker also spoke to Fox News at the conference,
where he laid out his vision.
Yeah, looks about right.
Like what?
Are we incapable of having joy, expressing humor,
having fun? Is that what it is?
Is that where we're at?
Look at them. Doing jokes, having fun. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
For the future of the Democrat Party. I think many Democrat politicians quite frankly are
terrible for the country. As far as the Democratic Party goes, yes, I don't think that they're
going to be pro-israeli, I think they understand that they can't represent a pro-israel slant
any longer.
Okay, that's a nefarious edit.
That was literally, that is a nefarious edit.
I said, I despise the Republicans, but there's also plenty of Democrats that I don't like
either.
Fox News chopped my ass down on that one, okay?
That is a devious lick, devious edit.
I'm excited for someone who is going to fight for it.
Always record your shit.
I mean, I had a literal journalist, a separate journalist in the room from a separate outlet
that was listening in on the interview.
That someone who is going to finally offer socialized medicine.
Meanwhile, Democrats in Congress are doing little to distance themselves from socialism.
Just eight House members joined Republicans in voting for a resolution condemning that
dangerous ideology.
Joining us now is Kentucky Congressman and House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer.
Chairman, thanks for joining us on Labor Day weekend.
I'm guessing that you didn't go to the conference there in Chicago and rub elbows with the
best and brightest.
Good for you.
But I will say, the Democrats are giving us a gift right now because they're kind of
refusing to distance themselves from Hassan Piker and those folks.
I wonder though, will that be enough for Republicans to run on in the midterms, just other side
crazy?
Do you think that will be enough or do you think there has to be a little bit more
meat on that bone?
Well, I think we have to talk about the accomplishments we've had over the past
two years, including securing the border, including passing the big beautiful bill,
which kept taxes low, which has led to what we, what you're going to talk about in the
next segment, a great new jobs growth number.
Yeah. Getting the Republicans to try to talk about how great things are is always such
a funny ordeal. It is virtually impossible. I mean, it's completely impossible. They
that's why that's why they love poppin off
that's why they love poppin off about you know the socialism a Sompiker that
type of shit because there's no accomplishment that they could point to
There's none. None was so ever. It's very, very funny.
And we've focused on eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse that was implemented during the Biden
year. So I think we've accomplished a lot, but you look, you have to compare the Republicans
to the Democrats. And the socialists aren't just a fringe fraction of the Democrat party anymore.
This is just about the majority of the Democrat party. And these are the ones that are winning
elections. If you look at the primaries in all 50 states, the socialists are the ones
that are emerging from the primaries and you saw there what they believe in. And they want
to talk about socialized medicine. I wish they could sit in my district office in Tompkinsville,
Kentucky for one day and listen to the calls that my case workers get on the Veterans
Administration. That's government-run healthcare. If they think that's the successful way
to go with healthcare in the future. And with anything, anything that the government operates,
I would have little confidence in. That's what the socialists want. They want to redistribute
wealth. They want the government to be two or three times larger than it is now. And
I don't think that's what the average working, tax-paying American wants. So there's a
big difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. And I hope that we as
Republicans in the house and the Republicans in the Senate can drive that message home
over the next 60. Yeah, everything sucks. The veterans suck. The veterans, the fair sucks.
Public health care sucks. We hate it and we're going to make it worse. And then we're going
to tell you it doesn't work. And that's why you need to give the money to my donors, my
big donors, and it needs to all be for profit. Okay. Hell yeah. I'm Comer and I love generating
super profits
but destroy in the american heartland
today's
chairman calmer it's joe concha it seems that many elections just come down to
very
easy binary questions for the american public to understand so we remember of
course ronald reagan in nineteen eighty are you better off than you were four
years ago
boy that really resonated
yet
that's not the question you want answering right now
that's not a question you want to be asking the americans if you're a
public and if you want to maintain a majority in the senate
certainly not
let's just say
not the best
question
to have to answer
if you are a republican
interested in maintaining some semblance of political power in the
aftermath of these midterms
And now I think Republicans have a real opportunity with Hassan Piker, who we just played a soundbite from a moment ago.
I mean, this is a man who said that America deserved 9-11.
That's awesome. Again, like he goes from, he goes from, you know, the question is, are you better off right now than you were four years ago?
The answer is no. That, like the Hassan Piker insert into that conversation is the diametrical opposite of what you just said.
And that's precisely the reason why you're doing this. The reason why you're like, oh, well, the Hassan Piker is a gift for us.
You know the answer is not 11. Hassan piker who did not 11 is a democrat operator
He wants to do not 11 in terra hot Indiana. He wants to do a 9-11 in only Watt neighborhoods, right?
That's what he's trying to do. Look at his muslim man name
Meanwhile, all the soundbites they show of me is like, yeah, I don't really like the democrats all that much
I don't like the republicans all that much
I hate politics in this country because no one wants to give us health care and they're like, yep
That's the 9-11 guy. He wants to he wants the 9-11 health care. Okay, many people are saying
socialized medicine and single-payer health care is the equivalent of 10 9-11s. That's right
Maybe 20 maybe 30 9-11s as a matter of fact is Hiroshima and Nagasaki
A nuclear atom bomb on the heartland of america if people were to get three primary care
physicians
whenever they need to to see them called jews quote inbred said that the worst
day of the 20th century is when the soviet union fell he has a large
poster behind him during his podcast again game of telephone at this point
none of it matters uh... at this point nothing matters like you might as well
just say i did nine eleven at that point where he's like yeah he
He, he hates Jewish people called Jews in bread. I did not, um, you know, as a, as a poster,
I'm not even a podcaster, but I'm doing a podcast apparently where I have a poster where I'm
celebrating 9 11 that millions watch of a plane hitting the world trade center. Obviously,
he was happy about that day. He says that he supports the mosque 100,000 times more than
Israel. He said that rates that 100,000 times 1000 times, sir, get it right. October 7th,
were inconsequential and he's called for the assassination of Senator Rick Scott. So since he
also untrue never did that is now the mascot for the dude that was a barrage dude that was
I I think this is a new record how much more can we how much slander can we slam into a
30 second 30 second statement that was incredible
Another lawsuit chatters. You have to understand there is
There are ones that we can pursue and ones that are just like a
relevant, okay
Also, there's a downstream effect for a
successful pursuit a
Successful defamation lawsuit will have downstream consequences on all of this. So please just let me fucking cook
Okay, let me cook chat. I know what I'm doing. Okay. I know what I'm doing. I'm working with professionals
Like I know I would have to sue virtually every major news broadcaster and I know you guys would be very excited
Okay, I don't even think we we would be able to can't believe they haven't hit you with this yet
You are poop man
All these years later and Hassan is still consistent. Yep, September 30th, 2017.
For downstream, just look at how Fox talks about voting machines now. Yeah, exactly.
exactly the democrat party and not just some fringe twitch streamer but
somebody that people have actually campaigned with like l side like zora
memdani aoc and bernie sat down for his podcast
a strategy to basically make this about communism versus common sense we want
that binary choice with hawthorne piker being in every ad possible because
democrats are attached to this guy whether they like it or not
i think that's a great strategy for the republicans
again i can't stress how dangerous the socialist movement is and it's not just
some minority wing of the democrat party this is the democrat party this is
today democrat party just look at the poll
i want to remind everyone about what took place in the twenty twenty four
election when comma the Harris came out
we are going to institute price controls she didn't actually say it
like that but she basically said
we are going to combat price gouging.
It was a good way to reframe the conversation
about instituting price controls.
Now, we can argue endlessly on whether or not
she ever intended to do such a thing,
but that's irrelevant in this conversation.
When she came out and said that,
Americans were very excited about this policy.
It was polling at 75%.
And immediately, New York Times wrote an article saying, this is disastrous, this is devastating.
We brought in 25 economists to shit on Kamala Harris's opinions on how to get prices under
control.
Donald Trump went on television for the next month and said, this is Venezuela, price
controls are Venezuela, Kamala Harris is Kamala Harris.
a communist and you know what happened to that price control policy that she had put forth
in the month long barrage of attacks. Its popularity went up to 85% and of course, predictably
Kamala Harris stopped pushing it. There were some internal shakeups. There was, you know,
I believe it's her brother-in-law or something like the Uber guy came on to the campaign and decided we have to move away from this left-populous sentiment.
Stop saying you hate billionaires, talk about how some billionaires are good, yada, yada, yada.
But the reason why I'm bringing this up is because we are making a bet that Americans want these policies more than they are fearful of.
of being associated with communism,
being associated with socialism.
I think at the end of the day,
Americans want financial respite,
Americans want some breathing room,
Americans understandably want the system to change.
And it's very clear that they're willing to vote
for a hatchet that will destroy the institutions,
a hatchet such as Donald Trump.
Now of course that was a bet and it failed.
We understand that, we knew that it would be a gamble that would inevitably fail, right?
We knew that it would be a gamble that would inevitably fail.
The problem is, many Americans did it again.
They voted for Trump again, Trump won again, and now he's drawing, I mean, he is absolutely
hammering all these institutions and destroying them, and now we can see, we can visualize
what that looks like.
We understand what that looks like when these institutions are destroyed by design, deliberately
destroyed.
So we have to pick up the pieces and we have to fight back.
Americans by and large don't care about the socialism and communism associations,
especially when you are simply thinking about the policies themselves and how those policies
will help Americans out.
We have to stop shying away from our ideas, okay?
We have to stop shying away and running away from our beliefs.
It's pertinent and important for all of you to identify within your neighborhoods, within
your communities, within your workplace to figure out exactly what those problems are
and talk about how DSA will address them.
We have to be bold, we have to be brave, and we have to seize on the opportunity
because there's far too much discontent out there.
All right, let's bring in my view, host Laura Trump.
Laura, okay, so we talked about the health fascism, but I want to give you the full title
of that session at the conference, cuz it's called Resisting Maha and Building-
Oh, we watched this yesterday, yeah.
Anyway, let's get back to the 2028 Democrat nomination Ocasio Cortez is in first place.
That's not a joke.
Every poll has her in first place because the energy in the Democrat Party is behind
the socialist movement.
And they've completely taken over the Democrat Party, even in Kentucky, even in Louisville,
Kentucky and Lexington, Kentucky, where basically the only two parts of the state where
there's any democrat activity now uh... the socialist wing is when they call
themselves a democrat socialist of america so i think people need to study
history and look rather when is the germany election coverage my world is
ending i need you gospel
i mean what do you want me to say yeah if the surging every country that was
ever a socialist country uh... and see how they turned out i went to cuba a
few years ago and and you know cuba looks like they just unplugged the
clocks right at the time that socialism took over nothing happened the government cannot
run every aspect of it. Yeah I wonder how that happened we literally did that like we forced
them it's not like there's some aspect of communism or socialism that says like we
we're just going to refuse to do trade with the rest of the world right I mean look at China
Look at China. Look at the evolution of Chinese governance over the years and look at where China is now
Okay
It's ridiculous. Oh, they did it to themselves. They did it to themselves by doing communism
That's why you know
Communism means no trade no trade whatsoever. It means no commerce no trade
No industrial output whatsoever. No agricultural output
And communism means you don't get to have electricity.
Why?
Because we stop other countries from doing trade with Cuba.
That's it.
Our lives.
There's a role for government, but it should be a limited role.
And one thing that I want to note, under the Trump administration the past two years,
the size of the government is actually shrunk.
There are 350,000 less federal employees today than there were when Donald Trump took over
from Joe Biden.
That's a significant decrease in the size of the federal government, and I don't think
the Republicans talk about that enough because I know every taxpayer in America wants a more
efficient federal government.
We've got to reduce wasteful spending.
The Republicans on my committee, the House Oversight Committee, we've been focused
on waste, fraud, and abuse, especially in the Democrat run states that have taken
the welfare programs and just lost so much of that money to fraud.
The Democrats don't care about fraud, so the American people need to pay very close attention to what's important for both parties right now.
Chairman Comer, I've got my Kentucky blue on. Thanks for representing the people of Kentucky well.
With less than two months out from the midterms, the Cook Political Report argues that the most likely scenario is a, quote,
quote, really bad election for Republicans in which they lose 26 to 35 seats in the House.
This comes as House Democrats preview their plans if they retake power. They just blocked an
amendment that would have locked the Supreme Court at nine justices. And now the White House is
reportedly bracing for investigations into President Trump if Democrats retake Congress.
I wish I hope I really I hope they don't fuck this up I'll be honest I do worry
about that I do worry that the Democrats are gonna fuck stuff and not
actually push for having nine justices isn't constitutionally mandated the
Constitution simply establishes a Supreme Court it's ultimately up to
Congress to determine how many justices are on it if asked by a voter
Are Democrats, if they gain control here, are they actually going to pack the court if they
win?
What would your honest answer be to that question?
Yes, that's what they're campaigning on, Riley.
You watched Jamie Raskin gave a press conference.
He said 13 sounded good, Clyburn said 13 sounded good.
They want to add four new Supreme Court justices, and they want to make Washington, D.C.,
a state.
Someone said they want to make Washington and Puerto Rico.
They don't want to make Puerto Rico because Puerto Rico usually sends a Republican delegate
to Congress.
So they don't have any interest in Puerto Rico.
Washington D.C.'s 91% Democrat fits into elect a socialist mayor in Washington D.C.
So the Democrats are campaigning on that exact thing.
They want to stack the court and make a 51st state to give themselves two new Democrat
U.S. senators.
This is a very dangerous president's they're not being bashful about it.
This is what they're doing and this is motivating their socialist base.
You know the average Democrat voter 10 years ago was a working class person.
I don't think they would have bought this, but this socialist movement are young people.
Yeah, no, definitely.
It's just now.
Now Democrats have lost sight of the working class movement unlike us.
The working class love deregulation.
The working class love getting schedule left and losing their jobs.
The working class love and admire the likes of Elon Musk.
They love Elon Musk, who by the way, speaking of tweets, speaking of like heinous statements
like, how do we forget about the wealthiest billionaire slash defense contractor who actively
supports and promotes great replacement conspiracies, talks about Jews and their genetic ancestry
on the timeline with regular frequency, a guy who spent $250 million in the last election
cycle to get Trump elected and then double-sig hiled.
How is he not connected to every Republican?
How is he not driving discourse, but a fucking socialist Twitch dreamer is?
I love that the mainstream outlets just outright ignore Elon Musk, okay?
And it's a target rich environment on the right, too, even if it's not Elon, you got
Laura Loomer, even if it's not Laura Loomer, you got Randy Fine, even if it's not Randy
Fine, you got the president himself.
So it's pretty crazy to me that like, you know, Kristen Welker is still running this, what
do you say about Hassan Bullshit?
Kristen Welker.
What Donald Trump's been doing.
Well, I do want to ask you because Congressman Scolton.
Like Jamie Raskin goes, he's talking about what Donald Trump is doing, right?
He's talking about what Donald Trump's doing.
This is coming up next.
Actually, you know what?
We should just get into it.
should just watch this entire review.
12 minutes, meet the press with Kristen Welker.
This is now, I think like the third week of Meet the Press
where Kristen Welker has brought me up,
if not the fourth week.
Welcome back and joining me now
is Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland.
Congressman Raskin, welcome back to Meet the Press.
I'm delighted to be with you Kristen.
We are delighted to have you.
Thank you for being here in person.
And of course have to start with the midterms.
I know you've been traveling all around the country
Including in Michigan where you've campaigned with Dr. Abdul al-sayed and you've campaigned alongside of course Congresswoman Hilary
Skolton she has declined to endorse
All say Ed in this race. Do you believe the Democratic Party is too divided?
Right now congressmen to win back control of Congress now
I think we're too big for the Republicans to defeat which is why they're trying to divide us with that kind of rhetoric
I was also with Calais Bar in Michigan, which is the upper peninsula and a very rural area.
And what people are talking about there is the fact that Trump's billion-dollar cut to
Medicaid is forcing rural hospitals to cut back on services.
Calais Bar talks about how there are three different OBGYN birth delivery clinics that
have had to close there.
I was also with the fourth district, we have a great can there too called Sean
McCann.
And again, people are concerned about corruption, they're concerned about the Iran war and the
fact that gasoline prices and diesel prices are through the roof, inflation is killing
people there.
There's a Canadian boycott of America because of all of Donald Trump's high-handed, contemptuous
snotty treatment of the Canadians.
I think a big plurality of Canadians now say that America is their enemy.
I mean, this is the stuff people are talking about in the rural areas of Michigan and in
upstate New York, with Blake Jendebeen, who's running a fantastic campaign in 21st District,
and the people there want to see change.
And the Republicans are going to be blindsided because there's this huge political reaction
in the rural areas against what Donald Trump's been doing.
Well, I do want to ask you, because Congressman Skolton has said she will not endorse Dr.
say it, because she still has questions about his association. Excuse me, with
streamer Hassan Piker, he's notably faced... Cool. Donald Trump. Donald Trump is
doing tariff wars with Canada. Our allies are frustrated with us. It's
unprecedented chaos in the country and all around the world. And Kristen
Welker's responses. Well, excuse me, but Hillary Skulton doesn't want to endorse
Abdel El Sayed because of a fucking Twitch streamer. And it's like, I mean, this is
such a, like, this is such an irrelevant and idiotic question to continue the
drama. And Jamie Raskin's response here is like, all right. I mean, he, he,
it's not great. But I think it's time to like tackle the question itself.
I think smart Democrats going forward should just literally, instead of just being like,
oh, this guy's irrelevant, who cares, whatever, it's a distraction, which is good.
But it's time to also reply with, Elon Musk is a right-wing racist neo-Nazi billionaire.
And he said that he's going to spend another $100 million in this midterm cycle.
We don't know if that's going to be real or not.
We don't know if that's going to materialize or not.
But it's very clear what his allegiances are.
He was working within the government.
He's a defense contractor.
He says heinous things on a daily basis.
And you want to talk about a socialist Twitch streamer
that is affiliated with this insurgent wing
of the Democratic Party.
I think this is a distraction.
I think this is a deliberate attempt
to divide the base at a time when Democrats are united
as a
broad coalition
united on the boundaries of being an anti-trump force
united on the boundaries of delivering accountability that all Americans want
there are
far more consequential people that we should be talking about
even on the standards that the media sets
standards such as
uh... reducing people to some of their most uh...
Some of their most like aggressive remarks or some of the most vulgar remarks.
You know.
He's compared Hamas to Israel. I want to play a little bit of something that he said and get your reaction. Okay the other side. I do mean it. I think it's a rhetorical move because it frustrates a lot of people. I've also said I'm a harm reduction voter. I'm a lesser evil voter and therefore I would vote for Hamas over Israel every single time.
time. I would vote for Hamas over Israel every single time. Is the Democratic Party tent big
enough to include Hassan Piker? I don't even know if Hassan Piker considers himself a Democrat.
I know he attacked me for campaigning with Calibar and Sean McCann and other Democrats in
Michigan. No. No, I didn't. The one Democrat that I criticized you for campaigning alongside
was Hillary Shulton, and I didn't even actually criticize you for that. I just said, you're a
smart guy. You're more progressive than a lot of these other people. You've been in the party
for a very long time. I have respect for Jamie Raskin. And I was a little bit confused as to why
he would just sit there as Hillary Shulton said ridiculous things.
Who told him this? No, he's just, he's trying to, you know, manage the, he's trying to sever
the Hassan connection. That's what he's trying to do. Anyway, whatever, it doesn't really
matter. I don't care.
I think all of that is an irrelevant distraction. Obviously, nobody supports Hamas, a terrorist
organization, which brutally attacked Israel on October the 7th. But people here also
don't support the policies of bb netanyahu
but what we will work that out in the next
so i was mad at him sitting next to someone sabotaging the democratic
candidate for senate
uh...
xd days uh...
we're gonna stand strong for democracy national security human rights all
over the world
the beginning right here in america where
our national security our democracy in our human rights have been
undermined by Donald Trump and his mega followers.
Well, let me ask you about one of the big flash points
that has emerged.
Democrats preparing for potential disruptions
to the midterms NBC News is out with a report
that former Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton,
joined former Attorney General Eric Holder
in what was described as a war game
to protect election integrity.
What exactly are you preparing for?
Well, the people ask me all the time,
is Donald Trump going to try to steal the election?
and I say, no, he's trying to steal the election.
He's trying to steal the election.
Yeah, I wasn't even mad.
I was just disappointed.
But of course, Jamie Raskin immediately hits the,
like, as pro-Israel of a line as he possibly can,
because he is pro-Israel.
All of these Democrats are very frustrating,
but it is the reality.
Hopefully, we will change that reality slowly,
but surely, because I think even someone like Jamie
Raskin, who's probably a lot closer to the base
on this issue is still at a step, right?
Because it doesn't just get reduced to like,
it doesn't just get reduced to like, well, you know,
a lot of people don't like Israel's policies.
It's true.
A lot of people don't like Israel's policies.
But a lot of people also want to sever ties,
sever military ties with Israel.
A lot of people want an embargo on Israel.
These are things that Jamie Raskin will never push for,
right?
So he's at a step with the base on these issues as well.
as they are actively trying to reframe the conversation around something that's a little
bit more manageable. Right? Because regular Americans, ordinary citizens, they don't care
about the deep, close, and personal bonds and the economic ties that super wealthy
people in this country have with the state of Israel. They don't care. They're just
like this is ridiculous. Why are we giving them any money at all? Why are we giving them
any weapons at all? We should hold them accountable. And also, they should stop interfering with
American domestic policy. Americans don't like the anti-BDS legislation when they find
out about it. Many Americans don't even know about it. But when they do find out about
it, they're like, that is completely unacceptable. Americans don't like that critics of Israel
Constantly get yelled at, constantly get deplatformed, constantly get fired, constantly get cancelled, right?
They don't like that either.
So there's a lot of resentment towards the ways in which Israel operates.
And envoys of Israel operate on US soil. There's a lot of anger and resentment towards that.
There's a lot of anger and resentment towards people who also are sympathetic to Israel.
This conversation revolves around, in mainstream media, unfortunately, revolves around anti-Semitism.
That's not what the conversation is about.
And it's a real disservice to discourse and worse than just being a disservice to discourse. It's also
creating anti-Semitism. It's creating more anti-Semitism. I don't think people understand that.
Or there are those who do but don't care.
When they're closing polling places in Texas, when they're throwing voters off the rolls
in Georgia or other states for having missed an election, every day they don't have any
plans to get health care to the American people or to combat climate change, and they've
got plans to try to steal the election.
It's just a bag of dirty tricks.
So we're preparing for everything.
We made a list of more than 100 different ways that they're going to try to undermine
the right to vote and try to steal the election, as Donald Trump did very clearly in 2020 when
he called up Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and Georgia and said, just find me 11,780 votes.
That wasn't Donald Trump trying to stop electoral fraud.
That was Donald Trump trying to commit electoral fraud.
And so people know that that's their plan.
What we need to do is to build a political landslide so vast and so strong across
America that it's too big to rig.
They're not going to be able to steal it.
It's interesting, use the term too big to rig, we've heard former Vice President Kamala Harris
use that language, I want to play a little bit of what we're hearing and get your reaction
on the other side.
They are cheating, they are trying to cheat and we have got to turn out in big numbers
and be too big to rig.
We want a landslide that is too big to rig.
Too big to rig.
Is it too big to rig the right message for Democrats?
You hear Donald Trump there using that term.
Well, we've got different messages for different moments.
I mean, my message to everybody, and especially the young people, because we just completed
our Democracy Summer Project with 2,000 young people across America embedded in democratic
campaigns with seminars on the air every day with people like Mark Elias, people
like Tim Snyder and Nancy Pelosi.
But our message is everything that you need to know about voting is everything
you need to know about driving. If you want to go forward, you put it in D. And if you
want to go backwards, you put it in R. That's all fundamentally people need to understand.
Donald Trump and his party are driving us backwards on everything from civil rights
to civil liberties, foreign policy, you name it.
Well, you take me to my next question because if Democrats retake the House, you would
be in line to chair the judiciary committee. This week, House Democrats rejected a proposed
constitutional amendment that would have codified the court's nine-seat bench.
Congressman Jim Clyburn told me on this program last week that he does support
expanding the court to 13 justices. The next time Democrats control Washington,
do you believe they should... By the way, not gonna lie, this is a little beast mode.
I love it. I appreciate it. And I'm glad it took a long-ass time, but I'm glad
we're here. It's a non-starter to stand in opposition to this, okay? It's a non-starter to stand in
opposition to this. It's not the rule of the law. It's not the rule of the land.
There's no rule in the rule book. And this is the kind of dynamism that even these dinosaurs
can get on board with. And I like that. I like that a lot.
Add four justices to the court.
To be clear, they didn't just want to codify nine justices.
They wanted to constitutionalize nine justices.
In other words, they wanted to revoke a power that Congress has had since the beginning of the Republic to set the size of the Supreme Court.
It started at six, it went to five, back to six, then seven, it's been up to ten, back to nine.
It's always been within the legislative province to do it,
just like they gave away our war powers
by letting Donald Trump go to war against Iran
without a vote to declare war.
Just like they-
I keep hearing that you're stupid,
so I'm here to see for myself.
Hell yeah.
Keep an open mind, Chatter.
And you will realize that most of this
is coordinated slander.
We've given away our tariff powers, our spending powers,
our taxing powers, even our power over federal buildings
like the Kennedy Center and the White House,
now they want to give away Congress's power
to set the number of people on the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court, as it stands currently
with its Republican supermajority,
is the last bastion of reactionary thought.
Any Democrat that wins back power,
regardless of the majorities that we might have,
even if we have a supermajority in the legislature,
will always, always be set back by the Supreme Court, okay?
This has to be addressed.
I mean, one element of this, we got a little taste of this
when the Supreme Court stopped the actual right and power
that the Biden administration had
for student loan debt relief,
abolition of student loan debt.
It was completely under the control of the education department, the Department of Education.
And the Supreme Court decided, nope, you can't do that.
Okay?
This was a problem for FDR as well.
I'm telling you, there is no movement in the left-ward direction.
There's no way to even ratchet back American politics to a more manageable, more reasonable
place.
to fix the downward trajectory of America without dealing with the Supreme Court.
So yes, I think it's good that they're finally coming to terms with that reality.
They're finally recognizing this reality.
And I'm glad that there are even people like Clyburn are saying, we have to do this.
Because the truth of the matter is, we do have to do this.
We do have to pack the courts.
There's no other way around it.
So they need two-thirds in the House, two-thirds in the Senate, and we overwhelmingly rejected
and repudiated that running on empty proposal they've got.
Did you support adding four more justices?
Is that something you have?
Oh, well, that's statutory.
That's a legislative proposal.
It could be 13.
It could be back to five or six or seven.
The point is not to give away Congress's power to decide.
It's too open to adding more justices, it sounds like.
Traditionally, we've had one.
Okay, Jamie, just say with your chest, big dog.
are we doing here? Come on, Jamie. This is also, this is also frustrating when we're just just say
it. Just say yes, man. It's fine. We want it. It's good. Talk about the the unjust nature of the
Supreme Court. Talk about the undemocratic nature of the Supreme Court. Talk about the unpopular,
other. Talk about the unpopularity of the Supreme Court. Please.
Justice for each federal circuit. So we have 13 federal circuits in America, and we only
have nine justices, which means in the best of times, four circuits are completely left
out. In fact, today we've got five justices from the New York City metropolitan area,
for each borough, I would think that all of those members of Congress from the West didn't
even realize that they were arguing against getting more justices on the court for their
people.
But that proposes not on the table right now, but we could certainly discuss it.
It sounds like you're arguing for the possibility of more justices.
Do you have faith in the legitimacy of this court, this career?
No, no, it's been stacked and packed and gerrymandered by Mitch McConnell and the
Senate Republicans.
For example, my constituent, Merrick Garland, he was nominated to the Supreme Court 11 months
before the next election in the final year of President Obama's term, and Mitch McConnell
said he would not allow a hearing, a vote in the Judiciary Committee, or a vote on the
floor.
He said 11 months was too close to the next election.
But then when Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, four years later, two months before the
next election, early voting had already started in some states.
He laughed about that and said, oh, that was a rule we created for the Democrats, and that's
why they put Gorsuch on the court.
We're going to barrel this through for Amy Coney Barrow.
That's two seats right there that were essentially stolen by the Republicans.
And by the way, he was happy to keep that open for a year, making it eight justices,
not nine.
So think about that.
Now they want to sacralize and constitutionalize nine because Donald Trump likes the fact
that they overturned abortion rights, they destroyed the Voting Rights Act, and
they dealt Donald Trump presidential immunity for felony crimes.
He commits an off as something nobody had noticed for more than 10s two centuries was
in the consulate.
Let me ask you though, Congressman, because we've seen President Trump accuse justices
of being or judges of not being legitimate because he disagrees with a decision that
they have.
He says they're political.
What's the difference between that and what you're saying?
I'm talking about process failures.
I'm talking about actually interference with the process where we say we're not
going to have anybody considered for a year before the election, but then doing it for
your own team.
And that's exactly what Mitch McConnell did.
That is a form of illegitimacy in the process.
There is also illegitimacy in terms of their jurisprudence, and there's definitely illegitimacy
in terms of their ethics.
And I'd love to come back sometime to talk about the ethics of this Supreme Court,
because in Congress, we've got a $50 gift ban.
These are people who are taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from their billionaire
sugar debt.
That stuff is so wild to me too.
We do need court reform for sure.
We definitely need it.
Like the Supreme Court is,
God, America is like a sinking ship, right?
And as the ship is sinking,
there are more and more new holes that open up
and you're just trying to plug one hole
and then like two new additional holes open up
and it's devastating.
But it is, I mean, it's,
the Supreme Court is just ridiculous, man.
I don't know what else to say.
The fact that you can just get bribed
as one of the nine most powerful people in the country
with a lifetime appointment
unbelievable to me
these guys overturned laws all the time
it is so wild
upon his death i gave congressman john dingle the royal sendoff maxed out his
wife debbie dingbat called me and thank me profusely while crying uncontrollable
she couldn't believe i would do such a nice thing
She then says she then since then she said nothing but bad about your favorite
president me every time I see that third-rate loser ripping me I'm amazed
because I'm a loyal person I don't do things like that but that's okay it's
politics yeah Donald Trump famously famously loyal Donald Trump
When I think about Donald Trump, I think about loyalty to his allies.
Yeah, it's, uh, what else can you say about that?
Very quickly, uh, because Republicans are warning that if Democrats retake the House,
your first move or you're going to move to impeach President Trump, do you support
Do you support that?
Would you want to move to impeach President Trump should Democrats retake the House?
Look, every big honor aside to understand that impeachment is a critical tool in the
toolbox for constitutional self-defense against a president acting like a king, an
imperious, lawless, arrogant king.
On the other hand, Donald Trump already is 50% of the impeachments of a president American
history and we saw what happened last time.
He incited a mob to storm the capitol to attack his own vice president.
I think Democrats should be more open about how they want to punish Trump too.
Just talk about the crimes and then say we're a nation of law and order and we have to
restore confidence in our institutions, specifically our courts, specifically in the idea of law
and order.
Law and order means nothing if those in positions of power get to violate it as
as egregiously as Donald Trump has.
We have to hold them accountable.
This is not even revenge.
This is accountability.
This is restoring the faith that people have
in American democracy, in the American institutions,
in the American system, that was the envy
of those all around for decades.
That's it.
It's super simple to say.
I wish, and I'm not like,
I obviously have a more radical position on this stuff and I don't, I'm not even taking it that far,
like this is easy, is free ball for Democrats. You can say this as like, Jamie Raskin could say these
words and it would benefit him tremendously. And I think it would make the broad anti-Trump
coalition look a lot better because that should be our goal, right? This is bare minimum.
This is our goal.
You are simply channeling the frustrations of the masses, including, but not limited to
Democrats, independents, and even some Republicans, former Trump voters themselves who feel this
way right now.
President and Congress, we impeached them in the house and we could get only seven Republican
senators to join us.
We were 10 short, again, because of Mitch McConnell.
So you don't, you don't support impeachment.
You think it would be a waste of time?
You know, impeachment is not a taboo with us, it's not a fetish with us, we understand
it's not a panacea, it is a tool in the toolbox, we will not hesitate to use it if we need
to use it, but we also understand the framers gave it to Congress rather than the Supreme
Court because they wanted us to contextualize impeachment in the whole sphere of things.
We got to deal with it, like getting healthcare back to our people because they've thrown
millions of people off their healthcare with the Medicaid cuts and the destruction
of the ACA tax credits.
Do you believe that President Trump has committed impeachable offenses at this point?
Undoubtedly.
We don't have time to remotely scratch the surface, but going to war without a declaration
of war, for example, continually defying Congress in terms of our appropriation of money, stealing
our spending power from us.
I mean, I would say even just bulldozing the East Wing of the White House.
If you can bulldoze the East Wing, you can bulldoze the West Wing.
He believes that he is a king.
They've been plundering money from our government in the most massively corrupt presidential
administration in American history.
I mean, his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, brought back billions of dollars from Saudi Arabia
and Qatar and the other corrupt oil monarchies.
They are engaged in all kinds of insider political trading, and he, Donald Trump,
Hmm if only there was one other country that's that that has its hands in the pie here
Like extensively extensive influence
extensive influence peddling
Yes, I can't think of it. I can't think of that one country
Hmm has made more money in a year and a half as president United States than every other president in American history
Combined and every member of the House and the Senate have made in our legitimate salaries
Of course, I'm talking about Estonia, my heart for Estonia.
It was really funny because Estonia got cooked by a NATO contractor, a defense contractor.
Estonia was in the news the other day briefly for a brief moment, and I thought Estonia mentioned.
I don't know if you guys saw this or not, but they got cooked.
They got cooked because they had a weapons contractor that got secured a $70 million contract
from the government, and then delivered nothing in exchange for that.
Nothing at all, which is really messed up.
My life for Estonia, defend Estonia unconditionally, Estonia comes to me in my motherfucking dreams,
In Dallas this week, the Republican Party hoping that...
By the way, clip show is coming up with the Republican National Convention so get ready.
...sell its message to voters before they head to the polls.
We're told roughly 100 candidates and House representatives are expected to attend the two days of programming,
which will feature dozens of speakers, including Todd Blanche, the attorney general,
a position that usually avoids these hyper-political events.
The center of the show, though, of course, is President Trump, who will speak on both nights,
though it comes at a time when a recent poll shows him with a record low approval rating.
And some candidates in tight races this November say they're not going,
including Representative Zack Nunn in Iowa, running in a district that Democrats are hoping to flip,
and Senators Susan Collins, who's defending her seat in Maine and has long avoided
conventions during election cycles. And remember, even though Election Day is still
technically two months out, voting is already beginning, ballots were already mailed out
in North Carolina, but it comes as President Trump is still trying to restrict mail-in voting
used by nearly a third of Americans in 2024. His executive order is still making its way
through the courts, leaving a lot of uncertainty, with the clock still ticking with.
All right, Olivia Rubin, for us, we appreciate it.
In Germany this Sunday, all eyes are trained on a local election in the east of the country
that could hand power to the first far-right state government in the nation's post-Nazi
history. The vote for the state legislature in Saxony and Halt represents a huge opportunity
for the anti-immigration alternative for Germany party, the AFD, and also a huge threat to the
ruling centre-rights CDU, which has led Saxony and Halt for the past 24 years.
Our Berlin correspondent Nick Holtzworth sent us this on the possibilities of an AFD win today.
they could win up to 50% of the votes the polls are showing that they can
possibly get as about 50% 45 40 I'm glad it auto-started it's time to talk about
Germany Germany is going back to its roots
Germany is going back to its roots folks bar right in Germany is poised for
or big-win AFD is going to lead the first far-right state government since the dark days of Nazism.
Mushtabar Rahman, Managing Director for Europe Eurasia Group, says,
�The AFD�s victory was principally a mobilization surge.
The extraordinary increase in turnout from 60.3 percent to around 76.5 percent was overwhelmingly advantageous to the AFD.
50 people who had withdrawn from politics did not return to defend the center.
They returned to punish it.
Now where else have we seen this exact same thing?
Oh, that's right, Donald Trump.
Reform in the UK, and even maybe restore Britain in the UK.
This is precisely, this is precisely what's going on everywhere where liberalism is cratering,
is failing, liberalism is seen as the institutional safeguards where the institutions are failing
the population, people are coming out to express their discontent and in the absence of a left
alternative, people are going for fascist parties like the AFD.
That's it!
And there is no real viable left alternative in Germany.
Die Linke is not far enough to the left, unfortunately.
Greens also saw an increase in turnout as well.
Die Linke is doing alright.
You could potentially create a left coalition, but ultimately, AFD is cooking.
Part of that problem also revolves around the institutional centers' constant attempts
to reassert its dominance by actively undermining its left flank.
We're seeing a version of this in the United States of America taking place right now.
I'm at the center of this factional fight.
This is a warning sign for the rest of Western liberal capitalist democracies.
But this warning has been coming for a long time and yet people in positions of power
refuse to reckon with it.
This is a warning for France as well.
It's time for liberals to get out of the way and allow the left to take control over
the situation.
Will they let it happen?
I don't think so.
Unfortunately, people seemingly have this inability to learn the lesson, the valuable
lesson.
Labor is a perfect example.
What happened to labor as it destroyed its own left momentum, its own left mobilization,
The period of carbonization and the victory of the starmer flank and then the victory
of the Labour Party gave rise to reform.
It's happening in the UK, it's happening all around Europe.
The far right is seen as the only real solution to destroy these institutions that have given
worse and worse outcomes that have delivered worse and worse outcomes year
over year
here's uh...
our resident uh... german says german-saxony unhauled state election is
basically ex-gdr states that were fucked by west german trust
that destroyed the entire industry
and neo liberalized everything
or pennies on the dollar west german parties can't propagandize on a
scapegoat the capital
the left walked that line
but it's too incompetent to do adjunct propagandist liberals
and right-wingers
and wants the front with liberal parties against a fd
which makes the left seem
like the same as those parties in the eyes of the voters
truthfully
uh... so because the left has to cash it themselves in order to do so which
they have been doing also their election strategies
of the pinnacle of incompetence
the a fd despite being capitalist themselves and in their election
programs not even doing good propaganda on how better
to how to better the lives of their constituents and people found perfect
means of propaganda tactics on how to approach one ex GDR older folk with
nostalgia baiting and blaming Western parties rightfully so but that's why it
works and to the youth not the youth not with that nostalgia but with upfront
nationalist racist and xenophobic scapegoating which in the end also
works on older folks as well. Liberal parties can't fix the system because the socioeconomic
problems are inherent to the capitalist German system, especially in ex-GDR. Result was
to be expected. Hold this to others after the last federal election.
But if you're wondering why East Germany is moving in this direction, if you're
wondering why East Germany especially is moved in the direction of far-right nationalism,
This is why, because in the aftermath of the Berlin Wall falling, West German capital came
in and absolutely destroyed East Germany.
And the remnants of that destruction still remain in East German politics.
That volatility led to the rise of nationalist parties such as AFD.
The left itself can't aggressively posture against the liberal flank because the centrist
liberals are still the only pathway to build an anti-right coalition.
And also, there are plenty of elements within the left parties that are themselves quite
liberal.
We saw a version of this internal fracture within Delinca as they desperately tried to
become the prominent anti-Zionist voice in the country, the prominent Israel-critical voice
in the country, and it took a long time to get there, right?
And even then it was a day late and a dollar short, so those internal dynamics still
very much exist within the left parties as well.
And here are the results.
7% upwards to 50%. If they get less than 50% in the system that they have in Germany.
The problem here is that liberals will look to this, by the way. Liberals will look to this.
And we'll say, oh, how do we get here? Oh, it's because the people are unbelievably racist.
The people are incredibly racist. So what should we do? We as the centrists, we as the
the center right parties we as the liberal parties we also have to become
racist in order to become more competitive in these elections. That's the
wrong lesson. You need a whole different script entirely, a whole different vision
entirely. That won't be enough for them to form an administration in the
region but with the support of another party they could. Most German parties the
the CDU, the SPD and others will not work with the AFD. They have a so-called fire wall around
the AFD. However, the far left-wing party, Bundes-Sauder-Whegum, which is named after
the far left-wing politician who splits from Delinke, another far left party, their pro-Russian,
And they say they would work with AFD.
That may not actually be enough to get AFD into power because Bundes-Saturn-Wagner is unlikely
to poll enough votes to even pass the 5% threshold that these elections demand.
That said, if the AFDs do form an administration in Saxony and Holt, just west of here in
Berlin, not very far away at all. That would make that the first regional government headed
by a far right wing party since the end of the Second World War, since the dark days of
Nazism. And that's precisely why this regional election is so important. That's why this
is getting national and indeed international attention.
This is a story that Paul's have now closed in Saxony-Unhold.
According to the exit polls, the far right alternative for Germany has received 44.5%
of the vote, the CDU-Christian Democrats 18.5%, the Left Party 9.5%, the Greens 9%, the Social
Democrats are on 8% and the BSW on 5%, the FTP, free Democrats 2% and other parties on
3.5%.
Jared, take it away.
That's right.
Polls have now closed in the Saxony Unholds according to the exit polls, the far-right.
Elon rigged the German elections?
No.
base boost AFD quite a bit
and it certainly played a role
so did JD Vance by the way
you know American politicians get to
uh... engage in election meddling with regular frequency by the way American
billionaires get to do so
it is pretty ridiculous
having said that there is a
much larger problem here
and it's a problem that unfortunately exists
in a manner not so different in the United States as well,
in the UK as well, in France as well.
I like to think of the parliamentary system
as churning out a similar result through coalitions
and through blocks as to the two-party system.
You have a left-rank party,
you have a right-rank party in the United States of America.
You have the Democratic Party,
you have the Republican Party,
And in places like Germany or in places like France, where they have a multi-party system,
that also still turns into two different, two separate blocks.
Right? It's a little bit more complex than that.
Obviously, it's not an exact science, but it ultimately turns into these two separate blocks
you have the center-left block or the center-right block I guess in Germany, because that's what
the Christian Democrats are, and then you have the far-right block in Germany.
All of these other like center-left liberal parties, they join in on the largest party
and they comprise the entirety of the left flank of German politics,
politics as opposed to the right flank of German politics being represented by AFD.
When I say left flank, I'm just saying adjusted to the politics of the parliament at any given
moment.
That doesn't mean that they're actually socialist or leftist for the record.
Understand.
Like I'm saying left flank as in to the left of the Republicans.
Like the Democrats are the left flank party.
They're not a leftist party, they're not a socialist party, and, broadly speaking, they
would probably be a center-right or center party in the global stage, having said that
they are still the left flank, that they are to the left of the Republican Party.
Do you understand?
Relative to the AFD, they are to the AFD's left, even if they are center-right.
And the center-right parties have actually become more right-wing on certain issues as
a consequence of the growth of and the popularity growth of the AFD.
the Hillary Clinton method. Hillary Clinton famously said Germans should, like the German
ruling coalition, should become more right-wing and more militant on the issue of immigration
in an effort not to let AFD win. This was a disaster. This is exactly what Labor did
in the UK as well. You do not have to concede to the right-wing framework on these issues.
You actually have to go further left on economic policy.
And yet these countries and the ruling coalitions refuse to do that.
And that is precisely the reason why, unfortunately, the right gains more power.
Because they gain legitimacy when the ruling center-left or center-right, the ruling liberal
coalitions give way with these concessions to right-wing white nativist attitudes
towards the
imminent refugee crisis towards migrants coming over
you all you have done in that situation
is legitimize your opposition's strongest
policy prescriptions
it's all you've done
no one looks at that and goes you know what i want uh... a more manageable
anti-immigrant
like i want a more woke
anti-migrant uh... coalition that's why i'm a little bit of a part of the
just go
okay well these guys fucking hate the migrants
they have a much simple message about it
you're now admitting
after years and years of of seemingly being responsible for the surge of
migration in the country
you're now admitting that it was a spectacular fuck up
okay i'm gonna reward the guys who were there all along
broadly speaking this
exists in every western liberal country
whether it's a multi-party system or a two-party system
This is precisely at the heart of the failure of liberals defending liberalism,
defending liberal democracy.
That's the reason why illiberal forces, fascist forces are growing in power all around the western world.
If nostalgia, economic decline, and its political consequences in Europe's past,
I'm heading east along the A2 Autobahn on a journey into a political future that would have been unsthinkable
for Germany just a few years ago. This is a 1991 VW convertible Golf. It is the symbol
of German car making might. It dates back to the year that Germany was united after the
fall of the Berlin Wall. VW Volkswagen, the people's car is really the kind of mainstay
of the German car production. Millions of these things were made. They were sold all
over the world, VW ruled supreme for years.
Communists are illiberal?
What do you mean?
Oh my God.
The story's a little bit different.
More on that in a minute.
In fact, 37 million of these cars were sold and the VW Golf became the third best-selling
car of all time.
The city of Wolfsburg was practically built by VW.
Its giant factories dominate the skyline.
Half of the residents here work in these buildings and overnight VW announced layoffs
the 50,000 jobs in Germany alone. The reason fears competition from China, Trump's tariffs
and the cost of living crisis. The ripple effect promises to be dramatic. Further east
in the heart of Saxony-Anhalt, the state that's holding elections on Sunday, we want
to see the Bohai Carpaths Factory. The union rep was excited about my car. It reminded
of the first one he ever owned, but he was gloomy about the rest.
The contracts from VW were withdrawn.
With that, the economic situation has changed massively.
Because we now know that one workplace for the people
means three jobs in the supply industry.
That's how the conditions are.
And that's a domino effect that will be hard
if it comes through this country.
That's to be changed. We fight for that every day.
high factor in the German technical expertise and survival. They started molding metal in
this town at the time the German Reich was founded under the Kaiser in the 1870s. 150 years ago we
started with an iron foundry in the center of the Hotskull order over the years it developed.
During the World War II we produced the first aluminium part for the Junkos Airplane Factory
in Dessau and saw the process develop. At the moment we're producing 100% automotive parts and
hyperbolic casting. This place has always been able to reinvent itself to try something new.
Yeah. Can you still reinvent yourself now? We hope so. Are you on the panel today? No,
it's just me and another person. So this is just going to be me talking, not moderating.
Okay
We have a lot to do with it, whether it's the small life, or the lonely life.
We're now in Magdeburg, the capital of Saxony-Anhalt, and in the fog of nostalgia, this humble
MoPed has become a symbol of a better past for East Germans who have a selective memory
of their history.
Ulrich Siegmund, the leader of the far-right AFD in this gate, has used it as a highly
effective campaign.
I'm not going to lie. I mean, this is literally how the Nazis initially gained prominence in the early stages of their political development, you know, hyping up the Volk and also leaning into socialist aesthetics as well.
So, it's actually not that different for the AFD to run almost the exact same narrative
of like, let's go back to East Germany nostalgia, the good old days, when things were better
in comparison to what they look like now, and of course the same pattern still exists
which is deteriorating material conditions, industry falling apart at the best of capital, right?
It's truly terrifying.
All right.
All right. I'm going to, I'm going to keep running this. And now we're going to get in the car.
And we'll all continue doing my coverage from the car.
and the presence of too many migrants and asylum seekers.
Here at his final rally today, it's all wrapped up in a sense of loss
for the true German soul, whatever that is,
for pride in German history, for identity.
You have to save your country.
Is the AFE going to make Germany great again?
Ring a bell? Every populist movement has a star and here they're lining up to take selfies
with Uri Siegmund, or Uli to his fans. The former perfume salesman brings a fragrant
smile to some pungent politics, like deporting or re-migrating some foreigners, downplaying
Nazi history and the warmness towards the Kremlin. So much so that the weekly Der
Spiegel has described him as the most dangerous man in Germany.
We did. They wear the cover as a badge of honour. Like the Magakrao, this one is eclectic,
performative, and self-consciously insurgent. We met Philipp, a physicist by training and
AFD supported by conviction.
We want change and all the Sigmund is the first one to bring that change. This Sunday,
We hopefully change this country for the better.
And what can we do, and what will we do, should we get the majority?
We have to do everything at once.
We are in Schambles.
We have migration, we have industry, energy, all of it.
Social, now we are also in debt.
Everything, we need to work on everything.
A small counter-rally, a bonus from the far left called the AFD Nazis and other
things.
The poster campaign has mocked some of their policies like paying German women to have German babies as a throwback to the Nazis.
The piece of toppled Berlin Wall in front of the cathedral stands as a reminder of good nostalgia, when Germany brought down divisions instead of building them up.
We caught up with Ulrich Siegmund, the leader of the AFT in the state of Saxony-Anhalt, and we began by asking him about his policy of re-migration or deporting foreigners.
The deportation is only the postponement, it is a part of the re-migration.
Remigration is much more. Re-migration is the new order of the completely wronged migration in Germany.
We want to keep one law.
Re-migration is not a flight and not an asylum, two separate legal rights.
We want to keep it as it was.
This is re-migration. The second point of the re-migration is also the return of the experienced Germans.
Every fifth young German wants to change. This is a catastrophe.
immigration, the new order of immigration.
Well, what about foreigners with German passports,
the descendants of Afghan migrants or Turkish migrants?
Did they get to stay or do they have to leave?
We have a law firm.
We keep our law and law.
If the state government is allowed to go to the right of the money,
it is the German state government.
Of course, such people are not to be exposed.
That is a fake news of the press landscape.
If there are cases like that, for example,
someone lied about the exhibition of the state government
or because of a special terrorist suspicion,
Then the German law allows you to recognize the Schalzburgerschaft for up to 10 years.
But it has to be a very difficult case.
We are a law firm, we hold a law and a law and no one needs to worry about this law.
And 12 years of Nazi history, what happens to that?
Is that going to be taught in the schools or is it going to be swept under the carpet?
What are you going to do about Germany's history, the darkest side of your history?
We have a story full of highs and lows, with many bright and dark points.
Our job is to look at all these stories as a consequence,
so that we can finally learn from the bad, very dark times.
For example, now, in the present time, war is not a solution.
And that every dead soldier, no matter who is on the one side, is too much.
That would be learned from the story.
And that's why it's important that we are aware of it.
On the other hand, we have a lot of great times in our history,
which we have to look at positively.
We love our country, we love our culture, and we want to be proud of Germany again.
And that's why history is not just one year or ten years, history is much more.
And we have to be looked at with all our heart and with all our heart.
And now I'm going back to the people who want to win a election. Thank you.
They roared into a quiet town, proud to fly the German flag.
Thousands of supporters have turned up for the country's far-right political party.
We will make Germany great again.
And that's not all right!
Once fringed, the AFD, the alternative for Deutschland, is poised to win an upcoming election here in the state of Saxony-Anhalt.
A victory could mark a major political shift in Germany.
The first time a far-right party is in charge of the state government since the Nazi era.
Alright, we're back, ladies and gentlemen.
I took you on a little bit of a journey there for a brief moment, and I'm out of focus.
I think.
Okay.
As I was talking about, so the nostalgia is one element of the story.
There's only one component of the story, obviously.
I think that the broadest problem is that German manufacturing has been on a decline.
Part of that is of course because of competition with China.
I think it was what year was it that there was Germany moved early to become a powerhouse
of industrial manufacturing for solar panels.
for battery systems. This was almost two decades ago. They were ahead of the curve and they
focused quite a lot on that initiative. But it became impossible to compete against China
in some respects and they just dropped it. They dropped it entirely instead of focusing
on state subsidies. Instead of focusing on state subsidies and ensuring that those
subsidies were still distributed evenly across the labor force, they decided not to pursue
this. It was somewhat of a mistake. Not even somewhat of a mistake. I think it was a mistake.
Some will say, some economists will say it's impossible to compete against China. This
is China doing its thing and making it so that no European industry is competitive considering
the price of labor.
But I think a big chunk of that was also because European capitalists did not care about the
national consequences, and instead cared about profit seeking.
A similar problem exists with obviously the automobile manufacturing now, and that's also
eviscerating what remains of the industrial labor force.
And of course the only alternative industry that America is pushing Germany and many other
European capitals to go in the direction of is weapons manufacturing.
Terrifying prospect for specifically Germany.
But that is where we're at.
But obviously that lack of opportunity in the industrial decline leads to a lot of volatility,
leads to a lot of anger, and in that economic volatility, reactionary opportunists like the
AFD party can turn around and claim that the reason why there has been a decline in
deterioration and noticeable deterioration in material conditions is a direct consequence of
refugees coming in. So all of a sudden, all of a sudden you're looking at, especially in the case of
Germany, I mean many of these guys came in a long time before, a long time before there's a Syrian
migrant crisis taking place in Europe. So it's not, it's not a direct consequence regardless.
What is this?
Yeah, I'm being blasted right now by some light I think.
Fuck Saxony, fuck AFD Saxony is the least immigrant, the argument makes no sense.
No, it's not.
It never makes sense, chatter.
It's not about the anti-immigrant sentiment and racist agitprop is not about actually
seeing you know brown people around it's a substitute, it's a deflection, it's a very
successful deflection away from the real reason as to why there's been a significant
decline in social services, a significant decline in public transit, the deterioration
of quality of life that regular German citizens can feel and see, that is just the most apt
way to sidestep the real problems and to say, oh, it's because brown people are coming in.
It doesn't, you don't have to actually be around migrant populations to feel resentment.
As a matter of fact, in the case of Saxony, not being around migrant populations probably
makes it easier for you to fall for this nefarious propaganda.
The real issue in Europe has always been the same.
Austerity.
Austerity and the welfare system falling apart.
And then that deterioration being tied back to something that like the average person
notice there's something that the average person can also be made aware of, which is, you know,
there's more brown people in the country. They're not like us. They came in, they're stealing our
social safety nets or social services, and that's why you, the average German, the white German,
the Volk German, doesn't get to have the same quality services any longer. Meanwhile,
the real looting is not happening in the hands of Syrian refugees and migrants alike. The
The real looting is happening at the tippy top.
The capitalist class.
Dude, you gotta put it on auto.
It is.
I changed the aperture, so more focus, less focus.
Okay, because the swings are so wild.
Yeah, going in and out of the bridge, the brightness is crazy.
Yeah.
The auto is not as fast.
Folk, just say folk.
Anyway.
Yep, you're mispronouncing it. Folk.
Folk? Folk.
It's with a V, but it sounds like an F.
Anyway.
But yeah, I think German history, German unification, followed the Berlin Wall obviously also.
And what West Germany did to East Germany in the aftermath of that obviously is also
bred tremendous resentment.
And this is a chicken's coming home to roost moment.
because the AFD is clearly taking advantage of that animosity.
And although they are obviously pro-capital themselves, pro-capitalist themselves as the
Nazis were as well, they are capable of presenting themselves as like the true opposition to
West German liberal capitalism that many of the older German folk in Saxony remember
as being devastating.
Why don't you learn to get anti-semitic shit stolen for supporting them?
I don't, I mean, the AFD is
is carrying on the tradition of the OG anti-Semites.
So like, but it's also illegal in Germany
to be anti-Semitic or to even be critical of Israel.
Let's be real.
So I don't know what like,
how they communicate around this issue.
I mean, I know for a fact that like,
many of the, many of the attitudes towards like,
deportations which was again because it's Germany deportation is a no-no word
for example so what do they say they say re-migration like
is AFD anti-Israeli doubt it that's not the case in Saxony the older generation
by and large are against AFD and that's what the polls show AFD is leading with generations
born after the fall of the wall and the end of the GDR, yes, no I'm talking about like
their appeals to the younger demographics that have only known destruction is obviously
xenophobia, they're slamming xenophobia over and over again and it's like this weird
quasi-appeal to East German aesthetics, but also simultaneously an appeal to Nazi aesthetics
as well, to the best of their ability considering that it's illegal, right?
But ironically enough, the problem does not stem from refugees, the problem stems from
privatization and austerity.
and then private decision-eath said, fallen soldiers on both sides historically were too many.
What is this study combining data from the European Social Survey and European Union Labor
forced survey and using multi-level modeling we test on natives of pains over migration
policy and the contribution of immigrants society have changed with the net rate of
international migrants in 183 European Union regions from 21 countries.
Yeah right here right is this it? Uh in front of you there's a bus stop on the right?
Oh. Before the uh... No no yeah keep going straight.
Keep going straight. Wait no no no keep going straight.
going through it. Yeah. Wait, where are we going? David? Yep. Monets or I'll just throw
this on honor. And then there's a bus stop. I feel like we're in the wrong place. Let
me see. Yeah, this is the wrong entrance, I think. I think we're doing the other
side of this. Yeah, can we get to the other side of the building? On the side? Yeah,
the other side of the building. Thank you.
Yeah, we need to be on the other side of the building. Yeah. Can we go to the other block, like up there, make a right, and then make another
right? Yeah, exactly. This is the wrong entrance. Sorry. He just put the wrong
address. It's the same building, but it's just the wrong entrance.
Yeah, so make a right here and then another right.
I hope that's the right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right here and then a little curve around natural.
Yeah.
You're driving past the largest data center in the Midwest. I love data.
Fucking love data.
I love centering data around my life.
You couldn't have walked a teeny bit to the other entrance?
Oh my god.
That's a very big building.
Yeah, it's an entire city block.
And then we get there, we get stopped, non-stop.
They're gonna be like, why are people stomping?
There's no much.
Why can't you?
I can't.
Keep going.
No, no, keep going.
Keep going.
Keep going straight.
And then it's gonna curve to the right and we want to keep going.
Yeah, yeah.
Just keep going straight.
No, stay on the right. Yeah. Or is this it? Oh, it's going to be on the right side. No.
We usually go to the left, but we want to be on the right this time. Okay. We want
to be on the right side here. Keep going straight. Keep going straight. Just stay
on straight. Straight, yeah. And you want, there's a bus stop on the right side
that we want to get off that. This is it? Yep. Is the bus stop? Yep. Okay, thank you.
Thank you so much. Sorry about that. Thank you.
I think it's the auto license or the second to adjust to that.
It's always weird seeing you just in public.
Get that along.
I know God.
Yeah, I went to sleep.
Yeah.
That's what I was up to.
That's in Greece though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have it.
Did you say help us on the show, man?
Yeah, I have it.
What's going on, doc?
Are you doing that?
Did you say it?
Yeah.
I knew you were going to break it.
Yeah, I knew you were going to clean up on your guy.
Oh yeah.
I'm going to bring it.
I'm going to bring it.
I'm going to promise you that.
Yeah?
Yeah.
It's been great.
I'm going to be in the shot. I'm kind of told so I'm worried that I'm going to move it or something.
I'm here.
Alright, check. Give me a few minutes.
I'm more worried that I'm low.
Incoming light light.
You don't need to help me. You don't play cards.
I think that should be fine can they is the audio on David okay so can they check can
you guys hear us?
Yeah, it's great audio, David.
What's up, Chad?
It's low, but good.
Turn the guest up.
It's muted.
Well, it was great for a moment, and then it's got muted.
Turn the guest up.
Audio's now back.
Now it's good.
All right, perfect.
Okay. Well chat is up. Yeah, we're good. I'm gonna ask some questions about that. Okay. Yeah, I think this is
I think there's not enough discussion on the left on how much time you're invested into the community.
Let's put it on your phone. Yeah. Yeah, because it's, yeah, yeah, that's perfect.
How's that? Is that a little better chat? I'm trying to clear what's up, y'all. Yeah. Yeah.
Because it says your microphone is a little bit low, but there's also a delay, so much better, better, better.
Check, check, check. That sounds better?
Yeah, perfect.
Wow, that's awesome.
All right, he's too quiet still, much better.
I'm going to get louder when the thing happens, trust me. Y'all not going, you know what I mean?
Yeah, and he can also bump it up on that end, too.
The song's too low now.
How is that possible?
Live production is a fickle bitch.
It's very difficult to do because the more I do this stuff and the more my team wants
to make it more professional, the more I realize why there's like 50 people working
behind the scenes on a professional media production because it's just like like
what we do with the backpack and that camera is literally what like a live
television crew does with like you know 50 people but back in the day it used to
be the satellite man. The whole thing and people and people this is where they
unleashed this shit on us and turned us all into producers you know what I'm
saying like we don't understand how much work it actually takes. Yeah that's why
Which all pull off is really powerful man. Yeah, I mean especially with the interactive component
That's a lot of love. There's the only person that I know that does like big budget productions like this at TV levels at this point
Is is kai sanat? It's kind. Yeah, he's the only one that like actually has like TV level staffing at this point and
And he live broadcasts it on Twitch, but like you know, there's a lot more editorial freedom on what you want to do
but
But we need we need more for the left out of step up our game man, and that's it look
I'm not I'm not I don't want to shit on any of our people but no somebody in academia
Sometimes I'll be looking at our productions and I'm like bro. No, I mean I'm trying it's tough
We gotta it's like so I think it's we got a lot to learn. You know, I mean, but then also
Obviously like with with Kai yeah, he is a brand. I mean he's got like sponsorships the whole shit
It's obviously much more difficult to do it with as a, you know, leftist outlet as a left like there aren't a lot of there's not a lot of institutional support.
You mean to tell me the companies aren't just rushing to sponsor terrorists?
I have friends who will be like, I have friends who will sincerely be like, oh, don't get it.
Like, why won't like a billionaire sponsor you?
And I'm like, brother, why would any billionaire be like, yes, I'm funding.
An entity that wants my ultimate demise like that wants me to not exist as a billionaire
No, no billionaires gonna do that. I feel like that's our whole thing is like that. No, it's so true
But I mean like yeah, I don't know. I mean it is interesting. It's like yeah, we gotta figure that one out
Anything maybe we can get some billionaire ex-wives. I don't know. What's up? Yeah
I'm pretty much ready. Yeah.
You got any ideas how you want to kick it off? You want me to get on me?
You do whatever you want to do, Tom. You're running the show.
I'm really sorry, thanks for your patience.
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Socialism, what's up y'all in the building?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Come on, man.
You already know we're here.
Hassan, what's going on, man?
What's happening?
Yeah, yeah.
Yo, I just want to start out.
There's a few things we got to do, which is, you know,
we already shouted out Hammer and Hope.
My podcast is called Unruly Subjects.
Give it up for Unruly Subjects.
You know what I mean?
See, the sound is massive art of streaming and building
community with millions of people,
whereas I've mastered art of streaming to thousands of people.
It's a different art.
It's a craft, which you have in quite massive, my friend.
I mean, that's how I started off, as well.
Yo, I just want to say, first of all, all the people
It takes work to put these events on.
So I don't know, we're just talking about that
when it comes to this production.
So all the shout out to all the workers
who are doing that here, you know what I mean?
All the laborers.
Here at Socialism, we stand on the shoulders of the organizers
and activists and authors at Haymarket
who basically built this and kept this alive
through countless struggles, you know what I mean?
So that we could be here at this anniversary, man.
And give it up for them.
He worth it.
He worth it.
Of course our community is international and we want to give it up to our comrades and
our family in Gaza, Sudan, Palestine, the Congo, Brazil, everywhere, you know what I'm
saying?
They're part of this.
Speaking of which, y'all, yo, this is new shit, you know, Hasan's going to put
me up, you know, he's like he's gonna teach you in the onk about the new game, you know
what I mean a little bit, but yo, we're not alone. The chat is with us, so shout out to
the chat, you know what I'm saying? I take that chat seriously, man. You know what I
mean? So anyway, just shout out to all that much respect. Yeah. Yeah, man. So what's
going on?
Thank you for having me here. It's a real honor to be here. I'm very excited to
to talk about my favorite subject, liberal exhaustion.
So excited to see where you take this conversation.
And yeah, let's get started.
Let's get into it, man.
I mean, there's a lot of stuff we've got to hit.
I mean, first of all, dude, you know, like I've got to say,
I started watching your switch.
And the funny thing is, I went on to the switch, right?
And I was like, I'm going to get the hot.
I'm going to get the nuclear take.
And you were talking about, like, be a dehydrated.
I was like, next thing you know,
I'm tired of learning about what's going on with you.
I was like, yeah, what's this on?
You know, hydrate, bro, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I know.
I've been so dehydrated.
I went to the doctor the other day,
and I couldn't even get blood work done
because my blood pressure was too low.
So that's why I was explaining that.
But that's one component of my commentary
is things that are happening in my life.
And unfortunately, as of late, my news commentary,
my news analysis has also heavily featured
things that are happening in my life as well.
That's right.
Because our capital owners have decided
to identify me as the centerpiece of this growing
left insurgency.
And let me tell you folks, they are terrified.
But one thing that I've also experienced since I started
this 13 years ago, and it's been slowly but surely building up, this momentum is building
up alongside my own personal platform growth as well.
And people always thought me when I'm at the airport, when I'm walking down the street,
they're like, oh, it's on, can I get a photo?
And that's a normal experience that I've had.
But as of late, since I got to Chicago, it has increased tenfold.
And what's interesting about it is my expectation nowadays is because I'm, you know, being plastered
all over mainstream outlets as this dangerous guy, constant associations with 9-11, they,
I assume there's a decent chunk of Americans who think I did 9-11?
Right, exactly.
Right, at this point, because like that's what they're trying to do.
They're like, his name is Osan, he loves 9-11, that's his favorite thing, right?
Like that's the way they talk about it.
But what was shocking to me is, I just thought a lot more now, and every single person is like,
you know, I keep seeing your face on the news, and you must be doing something right.
And I think we have a tendency to discount how much resentment exists amongst the masses
for establishment media, and for all of these institutions
that have failed the American public.
I think that this level of animosity directed towards
myself and also towards this movement broadly
is going to have very positive reverberations for us.
I love that, I love that.
I love that, and I think that's an example,
because almost every time I see you in an interview,
One example of the way that these media are failing us
is I feel like you have a lot to offer in terms of helping
us understand that some of these electoral races,
where things are at, being free to speak truth to power
about the trash established with Democratic Party,
and the way that they are, in many ways,
as much of an enemy to the left as rising fascism
as a part of it.
You know what I mean?
Come on.
But I find sometimes you can't even
stretch out in the interview because they just,
I see you ask the same question over and over.
What do you think about it?
What about this comment from back in the day?
And I just wonder, what are some of the things
you would like to talk about to get across to an audience
who maybe doesn't already follow your media
that are beyond these dumb conversations
that keep forcing you into it?
I mean, I think I have the opportunity
to do that every day, luckily, on my broadcast.
And there's definitely a lot of animosity there, too.
There's a lot of tension with the old gatekeepers
in establishment media, corporate-backed media,
these legacy publishers that I still want to rely on,
that I still lean on the coverage of heavily,
because there are still investigative reporters
that work tirelessly,
there's some brilliant journalists out there.
And I think that this institution as a whole
has developed a lot of resentment
towards independent media,
because nowadays we are a competitive platform.
Nowadays we do have the capacity in independent media
to launch campaigns, to launch candidacies.
Campaigns that in the past would not be able
to get favorable coverage or even any access whatsoever
from the likes of the New York Times or CBS or ABC
and so on and so forth.
These guys can now come to us
and have an uninterrupted conversation
for an hour at a time talking deeply about policies,
talking deeply about things that matter to them
and connect with an audience of like-minded individuals.
And I think that is where a lot of this resentment
stems from.
But you asked me what I would like to talk about.
I mean, I'm down to talk about anything
and everything you want to talk about.
Definitely one thing that I want to cover
is the way that mainstream outlets have reported on the rise of DSA and specifically the type
of voter that votes for the DSA, the misunderstanding of what it means to be working class in this
country, perhaps a deliberate misunderstanding, and also black socialism in particular.
Well, yo, let's jump into that because there's a couple of things I want to, you know,
interesting. After Daya Lisa and a whole other slate of folks won and mainstream folks,
including, you know, look, I'm a Empire City with crooked media, I almost wanted to have
a conversation with John Fabro, because I'm like, bro, he seemed like he had a meltdown
based on some of these, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
And, you know, I know you know these folks, I mean, they supported the work. But after
that, these series of articles appeared in New York Times that seem to be basically
arguing that because DSA is primarily a white organization, right, that somehow a platform
that talks about affordability, that talks about universal childcare and is implementing
that, that's talking about learned freezes, that that somehow is not a black agenda.
In doing this, interestingly, they didn't talk to Maya Meredith, they didn't talk to
Afro-Social Caucus, who's lost her real critiques that we need to probably get
to you about some of the problems in DSA.
They didn't talk to Jamal Bowman to be honest.
I don't know who these people they talked to are.
So I mean, that I see is, and people were sending me this.
Some older black folks were sending me this, like,
are you worried, DSA is very white?
I mean, I don't know.
How do you see that?
I think there's valid critique that many members
of the organization have brought up.
There was a Geese magazine piece
that I read on the stream about what Zoran must do
against the establishment black political power
in New York in particular by highlighting.
And this was before he had endorsed Dottie Aliza.
And there was a demand to endorse the entire New York
City DSA slate, which for the record,
with the exception of Orkin, was all black and brown.
There was only one white guy.
His name's David Orkin.
The entire DSA slate, 10 candidates,
they were all black and brown.
But the demographic makeup of the organization
is still heavily white.
This is true.
But I think it's important for us
to continue making inroads to address the material
inequities that black communities face.
And I know for a fact, from my experience
going all around the country at this point
and speaking to voters that ended up voting for DSA candidates,
like Donovan McKinney, and also Chris Rav, of course,
in Philadelphia.
Shout out to Chris Rav.
Come on.
Donovan.
All of them, really, even aging.
That there is a real appetite for this change,
and that appetite especially exists in the black community
as well.
But the way that the mainstream conversations are being
had is to draw up some kind of animosity between black voters
and the platform of democratic socialism
when historically and even in contemporary American society,
when poll after poll shows a very different reality,
that black voters and black people in general
are far more sympathetic to socialism
as a cause than white voters are certainly.
We've always, you know, come on.
We all know that black people have always been the people
trying to push America toward,
I don't even wanna call it a promise,
just towards some kind of democracy, right?
You know, and I gotta say that, you know,
and by the way, any movement that doesn't recognize this,
you know, shout out, you know, one person said it to me,
you know, my comrades, Sherry Wolfe,
I mean, of course it's, you can read this
in the pages of Hammer and Hope.
Robin B.G. Kelly talks about how black people
taught socialists how to really,
how to really organize across the Aspirus.
But I just want to say that, you know, I don't know.
I guess there is one issue, though, which is this.
On the one hand, what the Times is doing,
and what, by the way, a whole lot of APAC money
is coming in doing, creating these divisions,
is disingenuous representation of how politics work.
But there's some problems sometimes with the white left.
And I wonder, I'm curious if you've seen this,
because I don't know a lot about the community
that you speak to, I have much respect.
Yo, if the chat is listening, maybe you can bring them in.
You know how to do this.
I don't know how to do this shit.
But I've seen in the gamer community,
I mean, look, there's some reactionary tendencies.
And I don't want to cast off the possibility
that we can bring folks in who have real insight and have
learned.
But there's some issues.
And so sometimes within our movements,
there's a conversation we need to have about these
tendencies.
What have you seen in that space?
You're absolutely right.
So obviously, anti-blackness is foundational in this country,
and it bakes itself into every orifice of contemporary politics.
And it's also sometimes invisible.
Obviously, it's not invisible for you, you're black,
but it's invisible for many others who might not even
recognize that they're engaging in anti-blackness
in their commentary, in their rhetoric,
or even in the way that they sometimes disregard certain issues.
One of the most common things that we hear all the time
is the idea that, well, these are identity politics,
broadly speaking, the anti-DEI wing,
or even in some respects, the current meta around
woke 1.0 versus woke 2.0.
This conversation that we're supposed to run away
from these policy prescriptions that we fought for,
that we tried to advance,
only because now the anti-woke movement has won.
Well, we're living in the anti-woke movement right now
and it doesn't look too great.
It doesn't feel too great, does it?
No, no.
So my attitude on this has always been,
look, I like to have fun.
I like to speak like a normal person
and that kinda gets me in trouble sometimes,
especially when I talk about things
that people find to be contentious.
Having said that, I never compromise on my principles.
I never compromise on my values.
And I think we have to get better at making sure
that people understand that we're not running away
from these issues at all.
One of the things that was endlessly frustrating for me
in my coverage, initially from Ferguson onward,
when there was a very clear anti-BLM slant
amongst liberals, because Barack Obama was president.
And BLM was seen as this disruptive force to the electoral chances of the Democratic Party.
There was this attitude amongst many liberals where it was like, why are you rocking the boat?
Well, this is a real problem. This was a real issue that was impacting communities and it never really went away.
Only after Donald Trump came into office and positioned himself against Colin Kaepernick did we see this negative polarization from liberals.
I remember it clearly, because I covered it extensively from Ferguson onward into 2016,
when liberals started to, including the Podjons, who openly apologized for their negative framing
around BLM and how they were now on board.
And then there was the period of co-optation, where you had McDonald's and Walmart throwing
up the black face.
Come on, man.
Can't take cloth, kneeling.
Yeah, of course, you could forget.
Yes.
They can take cloth kneeling from Nancy Pelosi.
I was inspired by that.
OK, that's all.
I want you to dismiss the guy.
Anyway, OK.
But I think that, to me, and I am a little bit
responsible for this Woke 2.0 conversation, this discourse.
I apologize for how it's gotten out of hand.
Because we used to say, oh, Woke is coming back.
going to be 2.0 because the unlimited reactionary sentiment that we were seeing on the timeline
of people just openly praising Adolf Hitler on Twitter was unsustainable. It was disgusting.
It was gross. And even normal Americans were looking at that and saying, yeah, this is
a bridge too far. You know, you have races feeling shameful about what other races were
saying. Right. So my attitude is that woke 1.0, woke 2.0 distinction was exactly the
liberalism that was baked into it, the softening of the radical elements, and a direct refusal
of the immediate demands that were being made,
that were honorable and just and necessary.
And the example, of course, is defund the police.
I'm glad, well, I guess we're gonna go here now,
because there's some things we gotta talk about.
I don't know if Jack has been in the room or not,
and I wanna, but be mindful here.
But let me just say, I really appreciate you bringing that.
And by the way, I appreciate you performing
kind of accountability saying like look maybe I was involved I don't I don't think
actually you are to blame for what some wild stuff somebody said in an interview
but at the same time I appreciate that let me just say there's a really great
blue-skied thread by my comrade Aska Taylor but she's like what one is such
a bad analytic because it conflates so many different things that were part
of that moment right and I think that we've seen the pushback for like you
know the idea that you're gonna like laugh at and make a joke out of the millions
of people that were on the streets all the different intersecting movements that
produced that moment and now you know in fairness to AOC one thing that he did say
we had some productive conversations at that time but of course that was you
know that's not the part that got flipped out and you know I think that
that whole what I'm worried about I'm curious I know this is a conversation
were had. I'm just I'm going to go here, bro. I'm going to go here. I got to go here. Alright,
let's do it. There's a thing getting in shrunch. Listen, I get that winning general elections
is tricky. Right. And I want to acknowledge I think here in this room, I think we're all
committed to building real power. There might be some of us who are scared of governing
and power, but I'm with you on the fact that I want us to have power. The electoral
power is not the only kind of power, but if these past few years have not taught you that
matters, who's in office? I don't know what will. So I want our people to win. And I understand
that to win, everybody ain't gonna be saying the same things. But there seems to be something
getting entrenched now, that in order to win, the project of trying to find the
right messaging also means like, in some cases, we love police now, even in our
critical magazines. We're seeing some wild articles that are not smart messaging
when there's tons of research that can counter that.
So 100% agree with everything you just said and the reason why I brought up
Defund the Police is because I thought Defund the Police was a perfectly just
compromised position. And I thought that the endless militarism that we've seen
from our local police departments with worse and worse performance overall,
which you know ended up leading to these very consequential headlines and the
the uprisings that we saw, the unrest that we saw, necessary unrest, led to
these demands immediately it was co-opted with eight can't wait right if you remember oh yeah
the Democrats came out and we're like that's we're not doing that we're not doing the defund the
police thing right we're gonna do our own thing which is eight can't wait and I was very frustrated
at the time and I said this is ridiculous the eight can't wait program is is not even close to the
demands that we're making. And then, once they won, once the Democrats won, they didn't do
it, can't we? They didn't even do that. And it was, and I don't understand how people in
positions of power don't recognize how much apathy that created for so many people. Because
people would ask me all the time, they're like, oh, what do you think is going on with
the youth? Like, why are they not participating in politics? We've even seen a version
of that with Gaza where people say like why aren't people protesting against the
Iran war? It's like well here's what happened when Biden was president and in
the genocide was happening. When people went out and protested, 3,500 college
students were arrested. So you won. You taught the important lesson to every
single person that if they organized and they made these just demands when
when untold amounts of violence was unfolding with our tax dollars, with our weapons, with
our social and political cover, your attitude as the Democrats, your attitude wasn't to
say, you know what, we're going to listen to these demands and we're going to actually
reign Israel in. We're going to demand accountability. Your attitude was to punish the people who
were yelling. Your attitude was to punish the people who were protesting. And a similar
thing happened with Black Lives Matter. COVID shutdowns and police lack of accountability
caused this perfect storm, this perfect moment for a lot of people to rise up and demand changes.
First, the Democrats responded with, they can't wait. Then the Democrats responded with
Joe Biden and people said, okay, we protested in the streets. Now we're going to plug
our noses endure civic duty because we really want Donald Trump to no longer be in office.
So we'll vote for Joe Biden. Joe Biden ran on an openly pro-police platform. He ran
on funding the police further. And then he didn't even legislate accordingly with the
promises that he had made on immigration. The first 100 days of immigration, that was
immediately cast aside. And all of these problems persisted. So what did we teach
What do we teach the youth, what do we teach people who are participating in politics in
a meaningful way for the first time in their lives?
We taught them that everything that you learn in school, exercising your first amendment
rights and then doing your civic duty and voting for the left flank, I guess, if you
want to call it that, of American politics is going to yield these changes.
But it didn't.
We taught everyone that your voices don't matter.
And I think in some respects the reason why people are very frustrated right now with what's
going on with these left insurgencies is that we are becoming undeniable.
Absolutely.
And I think, you know, listen, no, I mean, first of all, thank you for that really, really
sharp analysis.
I want to shift the conversation to education for a minute because education is in a way
my primary organizing home. I'm on the National Council of the AADP. We endorsed your campaign
partner, Abdul Sayed. It was the first endorsement in our 111-year history. You know, but just
to recognize what you say, look, we, many faculty and people and workers, education
workers and students in this room stood in those protests and we were arrested.
I went, I got locked up. My own university locked me up, you know, at NYU, you know what
I'm saying? I just have to say, you know what I mean? A lot of good stuff going on
at NYU, also my university locked me up. And why did it lock me up? It locked me
up on a day when students were actually performing. They had actually created this
interfaith protest. It was Muslim students were there together, they were doing
a Passover, and then they were having a prayer, and that's the moment when
the cops came. Imagine what that does to students who are trying to apply the stuff that they're
learning in the classroom. So we watch them be suspended. I get emotional thinking about
this. Not being able to walk at graduation. Why? Because they're applying the stuff they're
learning in class and saying what good is this education if I can't stop a genocide?
What good is it if I can't speak out against a genocide?
And then to your point, these same people, many of them Democrats, now with that same force which could have been your force
and still wasn't a way rising up against Donald Trump, where are they at?
Where is the quiet?
Well, like you said, look what you did.
Look at the monstrous machines and military tanks you brought in to Columbia all over
Everywhere, so I agree with you. I get I get hiked up
You can I jump so you kind of play a kind of calm now. I see you on Twitch bro
Well, we got a lot of attention a lot of this is this is gonna make it to Fox News eventually
Have to act accordingly, you know
So, in terms of education, I mean, one thing that is going on, by the way, the AUP together
with the AFT and other folks, we're going to launch a campaign.
I want everybody on board for this.
Free education from kindergarten all the way through college.
That's our campaign.
Our president, Tom Gibson, others came together and they fought for it within those organizations
and we had to win it.
But someone pointed out moving away from higher education, something really interesting
going on here in Chicago.
I was talking to somebody from CTU and they were pointing out that APAC is starting to
put a lot of money into school board, you know, you know, elections here and that this
might be part of a gang that they're laying in the groundwork that they're laying to eventually
get rid of Brandon Johnson. But even more, just to wreak that kind of control, have you
heard anything about this or what have you seen in the year?
So I linked up with Brandon Johnson when he was in Los Angeles and I linked up with
them again when I was in Chicago last time. And, yeah, he obviously has the Alderman system
to contend with. It's very difficult. Not every city is the same. Because a lot of people
will look to Zoran and be like, well, why can't everybody else be like Zoran? But New
York's power structure in the mayoral system is very centralized, as opposed to how it
works in California, Los Angeles, and how it works in Chicago as well.
So obviously, Brandon Johnson came into power with the teachers union and with a lot of socialists,
a lot of leftists pushing for him.
And he had a lot of very wealthy people in his opposition.
And they've never really let up.
And, yeah, his position, his correct position on Israel is also now being weaponized against
them as well.
So I have definitely seen that.
And yeah, APAC is ever present.
I think the ways in which the Zionist lobby, broadly speaking, not just APAC, but just
across the board, has been able to embed itself in a lot of institutions in an effort
to slowly chip away at a lot of civil liberties
that we have in the United States.
One of the most obvious examples of this, of course,
at the state level is 38 states where there are anti-BDS laws,
where in a state like Texas, in order to get,
in order to become a public school teacher,
you have to sign a loyalty pledge to the state of Israel.
To say, you're never going to boycott Israel.
You're never going to demand divestment from Israel.
you're never going to demand sanctions on a foreign country.
That's ridiculous.
That's completely unacceptable.
And it's also outright unconstitutional.
Going back to the state of Texas, in the aftermath
of catastrophic climate change-born extreme weather events,
natural disasters, there was a real conversation around, and ACLU covered it at the time, there
was a conversation around how in order to get FEMA funds, you'd have to sign a similar loyalty
place to Israel. I mean this sounds insane, because it is insane. It's completely unacceptable.
But this is exactly how influence continues to get peddled. And we are no longer silent
about these issues.
And we are no longer running away from these positions
in our opposition to this unjust system
and our opposition to this level of dominating
American discourse and American lives
and a constant demand for fealty.
And I think that's what's got people very frustrated,
especially in positions of power
who were used to never being opposed this publicly.
And that's why we have to continue pushing back,
no matter what.
Wow, you put me up on some stuff I got to check on.
By the way, if y'all want to read some smart articles
about this thing, check out Hammer and Hope.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Recovery, these kinds of issues.
Also, on our really subjects, we have,
we talk about how some of this influence is working
with Reli to Israel.
We have Darrell Lee, basically, is an incredible lawyer on.
He talks about how Title VI was weaponized, you know what I mean?
And to me, something totally different than where it started
and how it's being used to retaliate against people.
You should definitely check that out.
But I want to shift gears a little bit.
I want to talk about something else.
So a lot of people see us putting the energy,
see you putting energy into electoral project,
trying to build power.
But there's a lot of kind of power
that has been important in the history of the left, right?
A lot of communities who have been locked out
of form electoral power had to engage in mutual aid, right?
Just to support our own communities, even the Panthers,
right, built a mutual aid program
that was doing multiple things,
and the Bible programs that also later became policy.
So there's a real fear, I think, sometimes
when people see this, that we're somehow
trying to corral all the energy of the left
into electoral power without addressing other parts.
And I think that's a real thing to take seriously,
because elections do.
Like, you know, I used to live in Philly, right?
I'm probably going to move back because I can't afford New York.
So it's like, but in Philly, once the election started,
it just sucks up all the movement energy, right?
And all kinds of things that people are doing,
the money comes in in different ways.
You know, that C4 money comes in
and it starts to structure what happens.
And so, I'm curious about your take on this,
because I think people, some people might see you
as somebody who thinks everything is elections.
And I wanna give you a chance to respond to that.
Yeah, let me address the DNC sheepdog allegations.
I think elections matter, but they're not the entire ball game.
And I've never made that argument, and I've never lived by that standard either.
I'm always involving myself in activism and organizing the off season when people aren't
paying attention as well as during elections.
But elections are also, in my opinion, a way to present our ideas to as broad an audience
as possible.
And the reason why I decided to participate, not even in just in this cycle, but the reason
why I've always maintained this position is because of the successes from Bernie Sanders's
insurgent run in 2016.
Now, look, I will always have respect for Bernie, even though I have my disagreements
with him at times, and he called me a radio guy one time on TV, he's been on the streets
so many times, and he still doesn't know exactly what I do with his fine.
I just didn't have a compliment about a radio guy.
Yeah, it's the highest honor.
the last time he was paying attention to media when the radio was around. So all jokes aside,
his run against Hillary Clinton very clearly activated something in the broader American
consciousness where all of a sudden people saw an alternative vision, a socialist vision,
They liked it.
And a lot of people got to work after that.
Because people think, oh, like New York City DSA,
they won a massive slate in this last election cycle,
and they think it happened overnight.
There was a lot of failure there.
There was a 10-year buildup from Bernie's insurgent run
to New York City DSA getting nine victories out of 10
on their entire slate.
Flipping incumbents too.
So, the way I see it, it's the largest platform for us to reach the largest amount of people.
Largest amount of politically active people, right?
And there's still obviously tremendous discontent about the political process.
There's still the plurality of voter-eligible populations that don't even vote.
There's structural reasons for that, the Electoral College.
And more importantly, I think, the attitude, the apathy that people feel towards the political
system because neither party is representing their values or their interests at all.
So there's a crisis in confidence.
There's a crisis in confidence in good governance, and there's also a crisis in confidence
in the political process in general.
So people are disillusioned, they're frustrated, and we have our work cut out for us.
But the reason why I decided, especially in this election cycle, to get more directly
involved rather than just offer commentary and maybe aid here and there is because after
Donald Trump won, again, I saw a lot of discontent.
I went around the country, I went to no-kings protests, I went to ICE protests.
I got shot at by the police.
And one of the things that I found to be fascinating
in these protest movements was,
there were a lot of old people there.
There were a lot of white people there.
There were a lot of old white people there, you know, 65 plus.
I saw that.
No Kings was a different, it was a different space, right?
Yeah.
And what was interesting,
what was interesting about that to me is normally
in the Gaza protest that I participated in,
It was always, you know, students and teachers
and labor union members.
But there weren't a lot of older people.
But now, older people were out in the streets
expressing their frustration, not just against Trumpism,
not just against the Republican Party,
but against the Democrats as well.
And that was new.
And I think part of that was because of the James Carville
and the attitude demonstrated by establishment Democrats.
James Carville wrote this article in the New York Times
in an op-ed immediately after Trump's victory,
where he said, Democrats, you show their belly.
That's your Carville.
Yes, my Carville.
Assam Tiger, he's not a real Democrat.
That dude does not, he's not feeling you, man.
Yeah, he does not like me, but it's fine.
Another repulsive figure that as soon as he says,
says mean things about me, immediately people are like,
no, I like whoever he's yelling at.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
But he wrote this article, which was illustrative
of the attitude demonstrated by establishment Democrats.
It was different.
2016, Trump wins.
He's treated as an aberration.
We on the left understand that he's not an aberration at all.
He's the logical conclusion of capitalism.
He's the logical conclusion of fascism.
Right.
Right?
But Liberals quickly get to work.
2016 is marked by hashtag resistance liberalism,
people wearing pink pussy hats.
There's a lot of movement against Donald Trump
establishing media is attacking him endlessly.
And I think that took a lot of that otherwise radical energy
and brought it back into the mainstream and it neutered it.
But this time, Liberals were not resisting, right?
Second-time Trump wins, establishment Democrats are nowhere to be seen.
But the population, the voters, the older voters as well, they saw that
feckless nature of the Democratic Party and they hated it.
There's two things. I met so many people that were
Hillary, Rodham, Clinton supporters who straight up said Bernie was right.
That was a huge deal. That was a big change. The electability argument no longer favored
the establishment Democrats in the eyes of a lot of voters. And they wanted some changes. They wanted
something different. And that is why I decided it's time to get more hands-on and more active
in these elections and to actually put forth those changes instead of demanding it from our
our elected representatives to become the elected representatives themselves.
And they will never stop punishing me for it.
I mean, the establishment, the institutions, the super wealthy,
they noticed and they got very pissed off, as you can see.
This is the third week of Christian welfare asking whatever
a random democratic politician that comes on,
meet the press about a clip from a week ago or a month ago
and to demand condemnations of me.
And I think it's because they're worried.
They're worried that they're very fearful,
not of our failure, but of our success.
Absolutely, and I want to talk about this.
And speaking of success,
I'd like to get your take on some movement work,
because here at Socialism,
we're about that movement work, you know what I mean?
And so we want movements that you think are inspiring,
that are maybe even adjacent to or beyond the electoral realm.
But I want to, can we talk about media for a minute?
Sure, I love talking about media.
So one of the things I noticed, right,
is as people have tried to push back
against how Israel and the Democrats
and all these people are centering you, right?
is I hear them say, we're here in this full-on crisis
as we speak like they're like,
why are you focused on a streamer?
Right, to be honest, but I might have said that.
But here's the thing, you and I share something, right?
I'm a podcaster.
I was a podcaster once a printout.
When podc-
Thank you for saying that because
podcasting is not the cool thing.
It was when I started.
And it's to the point where sometimes I'll be-
With a back bone to the proletariat.
with a bag book.
That's, and that's with Angus.
Isn't that with Angus?
Yeah.
But, like, so I've never been out at dinner and, you know, look, I hang out with the
Socialism Hey Market, Hammer Hope crowd, they'll be like, this person wrote this book.
This person organized this for years.
They'll be like, in Shinji Rai, that's a really good podcast.
And I want to take streaming seriously.
When I went on your switch first time, you know, I'm, I'm, look, man, you
You know, like I'm, you know, I'm, you know, a little bit in the
unks status trying to get hip to the what the kids are doing.
So I went into this twitch and I was like, let me get, let me get Hasan's take.
And I noticed you going back and forth with the chat.
I was like, at first I was like, why is my brother rambling?
Get to the meat of it.
And then I realized after a while I was like, okay, I kept scrolling past.
I was fast forwarding.
And then I said, oh, wait a minute.
I'm missing the whole point.
This is, and I said, you know, one thing I said that you're doing,
said, wait a minute, you're spending four or five, six hours a day with this community
of people. It seems like you know some of the people, the chat people who come up. And I
kind of had to ask, where else in our political organizing are we spending six hours a day
with the people? And I said, and then I said, this seems like it has something to do
not only with the way that you as a community can build, like you can address questions
because you've got to longer to do that.
But it also seems like it has something to do
with why you're so threatening to folks.
Is that, could you talk a little bit,
could you, for those people who are not as familiar
with Twitch, could you help us understand
how that is part of this?
Yeah, absolutely.
So yeah, it's community organizing,
it's community development for sure.
And I pay close attention to my chat.
Anyone from around the world can come in
and anonymously tell me why they think I suck, right?
Or tell me what they consider to be wrong
or what they're frustrated by,
what they want me to pay attention to.
And that interactive dynamic is totally new
in the medium of all media.
And that's what makes Twitch and live streaming
is a platform so unique.
And that's also part of the reason why it's, in my opinion,
so good for organizing.
There are a lot of people probably in this room as well
who learned about what the DSA was and joined DSA
or their own communities or their own community organizations
or even unionizing their workplace
because I've talked about it extensively
for the last 10 years.
And that was always the goal.
That was always my goal.
And I think that is what's very threatening
for a lot of other folks out there
because look, our audience is pretty large.
It's a sizable force for sure.
But at the end of the day, I'm not bringing 100,000 people
out in Denver or in whatever neighborhood, right?
But what I'm doing instead is maybe bringing 1,000 people
in every neighborhood to get them excited
and get them more involved in their local community organizing,
and to become lifelong soldiers of this struggle, of this fight,
and slowly but surely build autonomy for themselves,
whether it's a greater voice in their workplace,
autonomy in their lives, and to build confidence
through both those failures and also the successes.
And that, I think, is the reason
why we've also seen a lot of success overall
in the electoral realm in spite of tons of outside spending.
I mean, with the obliquist and the primaries,
we brought it up.
I mean, he got outspent 12 to one.
Ooh, a lot of money.
It's unprecedented.
And that is both a consequence of the work
that many individuals in my community
and otherwise have put
because they believed in Abdul's message
and they really fought for it, they fought hard for it,
they wanted to get him elected.
But it also even exists in other places
where I haven't been as actively involved,
like Peggy Flanagan, who got house spent,
I believe, sixth of one.
Peggy Flanagan won as a birdie crat,
as a somewhat more moderate voice,
but still a relatively progressive voice in the primaries
despite being outspent.
And that to me shows that I'm just one person, I'm just one platform, but this movement is so much larger than that, and the appetite is there.
The appetite for change is very real. Same with Angie Nixon in Florida.
Yeah, it was amazing.
So the media focuses on someone like myself because you know due to the
interactive nature of the medium that I occupy there's also a lot of opportunity
to misconstrue what I'm saying a lot of opportunity to say look this guy's a
loudmouth he's he's rude you know find a little clip one clip out of a six-hour
Yeah, exactly. And they'll slam that over and over again to try and disparage this broader movement to say this is your figurehead, this is what your movement is all about.
But I think what they fail to realize is that even if I went away some day, okay, I have no plans on doing this.
but let's just say in a hypothetical situation where I went away,
not only will someone else take my stead,
but also this movement is not going away.
The anger is not going away.
The demand for these changes are not going away.
And that is what they fear ultimately,
but that's what they refuse to reckon with.
Thank you, thank you for, I found that really, you know, really helpful.
I want to, I want to, could you talk about the movements?
Here's what I think we should do, movements, at some point we're going to open it up.
Maybe some folks have some questions.
I don't know if you want to open up, bring something in from the chat.
You know what I'm saying?
No, they get no say in this.
They get no say?
Yeah.
Cool.
But one question I have is, yeah,
what are you seeing in terms of the broader movements that
is inspiring you that points the way forward based
on your location?
You're like, I like this energy.
I like this is something we need to keep doing.
Yeah, I would say tennis union organizers
are doing phenomenal work.
not only in blue districts, not only in deep blue districts,
but deep red in the south as well.
And that's actually really important.
That's one.
The work against data centers is another one as well.
Oh, hell yeah.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.
By the way, shout out.
We had on our movie subject, this is a podcast called
the hum, you know what I mean?
That is the best podcast on data centers.
Everybody needs to also subscribe to that.
Because Saul, who's involved with that,
he's been involved with that movement
longer than anybody for 15.
So check out the hum, sorry.
Yeah.
And then the other one is mass surveillance,
action cameras, and flock cameras as well.
So these are issues that cross party lines.
These are issues that are frustrating
for Americans of all different backgrounds,
all different demographics.
And these are issues where, predictably,
the establishment of either party is,
these are issues that neither establishment
of either party is offering any reasonable solutions on.
So it's a real opportunity for us to once again
show that we're real, that we're here,
And we're here to stay and that we want to make these changes.
We're not simply just demanding them, but we will also
elect people who will make these necessary changes as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That made me think about it.
When we think about these issues, one of the things
that really frustrates me, and I've
been talking to some of my really smart comrades
about this, in your opinion, when
you look at the landscape of health care,
I'm going to put two issues on the table,
health care and universal child care.
It feels to me like we should be able to win this.
You know what I mean?
We see what happened, right?
We see the whole, you know, we've been on the journey,
we've seen the whole thing where for years
these politicians have kind of rolled out the single payer
as a way to sort of lure people in
and then change the game into some other nonsense.
But it feels to me like this should be winnable.
I can't understand why, for example,
some of the establishment Democrats
even aren't centered in this as a main issue.
And by the way, this is a complicated historical situation
because black folks, people who are called immigrants, which
is also black folks, all kinds of folks
in total, we got to sideline our issues for bread and butter.
But at the same time, if you want to tell me
health care is not a black issue,
that don't make no sense.
You would tell me universal childcare is not a black issue,
it's not a feminist issue, it's not a queer issue.
You know what I mean?
That's an issue with this conference right now.
Listen, talk to the childcare workers and social media.
In your opinion, what do we have to do
to move this needle and actually defeat these people?
Is this winnable right now?
Absolutely.
I think that it's really funny.
At least I judge where we're at by what language
the people who oppose us use.
And one of the most common things that people now say
is, oh, he just wants health care.
He just wants free health care as a throwaway quote
to say, like, our agenda is far more radical.
That means that they're conceding on the health
care front, at least, where they're like, OK, we'll
give it to you.
Yeah, it's fucking popular or whatever.
But of course, the obvious reasons as to why
healthcare is still pay-walled in this country
unlike any other OECD nation,
is because it makes a lot of money.
It makes a lot of money.
It's a major GDP booster
and it also has a sophisticated influence peddling operation
in a matter not dissimilar to APAC,
in a matter identical as a matter of fact to APAC.
And that is precisely the reason why these Congress persons
who have platinum healthcare coverage
who get to take time off for however long they want to,
then can turn around and legislate against
our best interest over and over and over again.
So I think there's an inside-outside strategy here
where we obviously get people elected
in the positions of power
on a pro Medicare for all platform.
But then also on top of that, we don't stop, right?
we don't stop once they're elected.
We have to keep up this pressure.
We have to continue being undeniable
and unavoidable for us so that politicians know
that not only will they lose their seats
if they don't legislate in our direction,
but that we will continue being disruptive
if they refuse our demands, our base desires
that are necessary and just.
So I think it's twofold.
We continue the activism, we continue the direct action,
we continue mobilizing in this direction around these issues.
And we also continue getting people elected
that are going to be,
that are going to run on this platform as well.
I love that.
I love that.
I love that.
I love that.
I love that.
I love that.
I love that.
All right, one last thing before we,
before we invite a few questions,
we'll take a couple before we end the thing.
I want to swim out a little bit into the deep water.
So you did a conversation earlier with Noura Erika.
And she has an incredible book called
Confronting Zionism coming out.
She raised a really interesting puzzle.
And I was just curious to see how you're
thinking through this, which is that the language,
I remember seeing Abdul-Asaed in this interview,
And he brought the bar that I was like, this is it.
When they were like, they hit him with the usual,
do you support Israel's right to exist?
And he was like, the question is,
would they have a right to our tax dollars?
And I was like, oh, hell yeah.
But at the same time, it is part of a discourse
that sort of says, the reason why
what's going on in Palestine matters
is because it hurts our tax dollars, right?
Suddenly, Palestinians, right?
And all the people and all the victims
of U.S. imperialism become a tax issue.
We see this in Iran as well, right?
It's like, and listen, I mean, it's a puzzle for me
because that messaging does two things.
One is we want people to understand
that our support of these issues
is not like some moral pity project.
Our material interests are tied up.
So that's part of what's going on there, right?
And we want people to see,
and we also want talking points that land with people
that people just actually like fuck with
when they hear it, right?
But I've had people I know who are kind of like a little
Trumpy, maybe they don't want to admit it.
And they're basically pushing an America first agenda.
Like, at that point, they're talking about Israel and
America first at the same time.
And that is not what I'm about.
So how do you think through this puzzle?
Yeah.
Look, I've been an anti-imperialist for the
last 13 years of my professional media career.
And it certainly felt a lot lonelier back then.
And it no longer feels as lonely to have these ideas
be represented in the mainstream.
I've been an anti-Zionist as well.
And here's the thing.
I think post-October 7th, something that took place
that was very interesting, at least from my perspective,
was that for the longest time,
Forum policy and domestic policy were kept separate
from one another.
Forum policy was far more uniparty
than even domestic policy was,
even though domestic policy unfortunately is,
there's a fair bit of consensus
on keeping healthcare private, for example,
in Washington, D.C.
But they always, America's always treated forum policy
as this totally foreign, totally separate element
that does not have an impact on their lives.
And I think it's important for all of us to explain to people
that first and foremost, the cruelty
that we subject others to in the periphery
is the number one crime.
And we have to put an end to it.
But for those who do not take that into consideration,
we have to remind them that there
is a finite amount of space and energy that we have.
And if all of our productive forces,
if all of our productive output and our tax dollars
is going to endless and ceaseless militarism overseas
for profit and plunder, that those
are resources that are stolen from them,
that are stolen from every American.
Every dollar that's spent blowing up a school
overseas is a dollar that's stolen from you because that's a dollar that could have gone
to building a school in your neighborhood. That's a dollar that could have gone to paying
our teachers. That's a dollar that could have gone to our roads, to our infrastructure,
to better broadband, to better public utilities, to opening up rural hospitals. And I think
it's important for people to understand that and more and more people are identifying
with that now. Because for the longest time I think Americans just treated the
death and destruction of brown countries as simple collateral damage, a
necessary evil to tame the barbaric forces. It's the oldest colonial trick
in the book. But now I think Americans we have a unique opportunity to
educate Americans on the consequences that this has on the domestic front as well, whether
it be the surveillance technologies and the new technologies of death and destruction
that turn inward on American citizens and American civilians broadly.
As it always does.
Yes, as it always does.
Or even the fact that we should be spending our productive forces in rebuilding our
industrial base on necessary industries, rather than industries that profit on death and destruction.
Let's see.
All right, y'all. Why don't we take a few questions?
You cool with that?
Yeah.
Oh.
Let me just say this y'all, I don't think I have to say this.
We want to keep everything respectful, we don't want to censor anybody.
And also be respectful.
I wonder if we should do a couple of the time given the thing.
We're going to do that just because we've got a lot of people.
So we're going to take maybe like three at a time.
And with that, why don't we get started.
Welcome.
My question for you is generally how do you do it, and I want to add some context to that.
Specifically, you seem quite indetegable, but anyway, you're facing a lot of attacks,
like attacks and even like people who like, you know,
campaign with attacks have kind of maybe
softened their stance on you and things like that,
like how do you continue to find the desire
of the world to continue to press on?
Because I think especially as we're heading into
a tough election season in here,
an election in a couple months.
And just as we all look at this as
America's amount of strength is continuing to build
and make progress for socialists positive
in some places people fear, yeah, how do you hang on when often it can feel so difficult?
And also, how do people with the challenge find in yesterday?
I'm just like, I can't use this world.
Thank you. You want to take some more? I'll be telling you how to do that.
All right, one more. Thank you.
Hi there, I'm Andrew Francis.
I'm from the National Police Committee on Democratic Socialist America.
Why?
And I don't know.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I just wanted to talk a bit about how
we can anticipate the warrant of sexual alcohol
addiction with such a strong way of reaching
people who are going to lose their movement.
And obviously, the kind of heart attack
American politics and American social
life will do to eventually get to an election.
The most likely candidate to merge from the left
is the police AOC who has a fundraising potential
and a top performance, you know, really
Thank you so much. We'll take one more. You got all these? Yeah. All right. One more.
Hi, my name is Sam, and I am a house with a sewing motor.
Woo!
Well done.
You mentioned before that a few more times I would be concerned about this.
How do you folks think that in a country where both are political leadership and a significant portion of our history and culture?
And how can you state that?
I'm just going to kill the sewing motor.
Got it.
All right.
All right. So as far as the first question, I'm a very stubborn person and I'm a very
mission oriented, goal oriented person. So I don't really take any of these victories
that we've gained for granted. I don't take the community that I've been able to build
and the successes that I've seen even in my own personal career
as a content creator for granted.
And that's part of the reason why all of this negativity
just washes over me.
Because I also understand the severity of the crisis.
And I know that if I were to give up,
that would probably represent a fairly terrible example
for others as well.
So I always have to put on a brave face.
I always have to put my strongest foot forward and just continue pushing through it and build
on the momentum, build on the small victories that we achieve to build much larger victories
in the long run.
And we've seen that.
So as much as people yell at me, I don't get discouraged at all.
I let that anger and that hatred motivate me to a certain degree.
that spike, take the driver seat at times,
when I'm feeling hopeless or pessimistic.
And I always look back at the minor or major victories
that we've been able to achieve.
I'll give you an example.
A lot of people are now hanging this entire movement
on Abdul's potential performance in November.
Abdul's not even a social, he's a capitalist.
I disagree with him on that.
good guy otherwise it's fine, you know.
But what's really funny is I've had these conversations
a lot now, we've had major incumbent flips
in this country with a movement that was maybe
at best 20,000 strong only a decade ago.
We have large percentages of Democrats now
self identifying as democratic socialists. Now that's not enough and many people don't
even know what that fully means. But we have to look back at where American socialism was
at only 10 years ago and we have to look at where we're at now and it's virtually impossible
not to see this major growth, this trajectory, this momentum and we simply can't ever take
it for granted. So that's a big part of how I keep it going. It's all of you guys that
are here, it's members of my community, it's the successes of the Democratic Socialists
of America, and it's the success of this movement broadly. So that's how I do it.
Second question is DSA. So as far as AOC goes, I like AOC. I know that it's a controversial
figure probably in this room as well. Probably more controversial in this room than she is
amongst Democrats. Democrats love AOC. Liberals love AOC, which is good. It's powerful. That's
a good thing. It's not a bad thing. If she wants to run for president, I think it's
probably hers for the taking, especially when it comes to the left movement. I know
that people won't, some people might not even appreciate that in this room, but
that's currently the reality. And as far as the the DSA endorsement process goes,
I mean there's probably going to be great deliberation to figure out where
Democratic Socialists of America go, as far as whether they want to
eventually tail the AOC movement and the issues that come along with that.
But I think no matter what happens, it's still a good thing to have someone who says their DSA,
run on a national platform, and achieve electoral success.
It's even good if they run on a national platform and end up failing by a small margin.
This is something that I brought up with Francesca Hong.
A lot of people said, oh, she was supposed to win by 20 points.
What happened?
Oh, she was a massive failure.
And I said, no, that's not a massive failure at all.
She was able to bring out, without any national progressive endorsements,
just simply with the footwork of the local DSA chapters.
She was able to bring out more people to come and vote for a self-avowed socialist
in a state like Wisconsin, and was able to bring more people to come out and vote
for her than Tony Evers ever did in his primary.
That's success.
I guess the very fact that they match our electoral performance with like, you know, billions
of dollars backed establishment Democrats across the country means that we are making
an impact.
So once again, that's another opportunity to feel positive about where we're at right
now.
And then the last question was about old people.
Yeah.
My policy always is identify the issues that every demographic is experiencing and try to
connect with them, try to connect to those problems and explain to them what our solutions
are.
Because we have solutions for elderly care as well as solutions for the younger relatives
of the elderly.
Old people love voting.
That's their number one favorite hobby.
They love to vote.
And at least in my experience, just on the primaries alone, what I've actually seen
that's really interesting is they love when young people vote.
They love when young people get involved in the electoral process.
They're like, oh, they're sharing it on my number one hobby.
And that actually gets them very excited.
And that is how in some ways we bring a lot of older people into this process
as well, into our movement as well.
and also addressing the issues that their younger relatives
are facing, the cost of living crisis
is hurting them as well.
So we just have to keep stressing that over and over again.
Thank you.
Thanks.
I'm going to apologize right now to some of the people in line.
You can blame me.
Do not blame my son.
I hugged all the time.
So we're going to take maybe like,
you might have to do like four.
Also, maybe we could stay a couple minutes later.
I don't know what your time is like.
I do want to be respectful of the conference boundaries,
But so some people might not get heard.
We'll have to figure out another way.
But yeah.
OK.
I'm about two weeks ago this time.
You went on a PRX design, especially in Oakland.
And instead of making a mockery out of that application,
you conduct over seven.
You call them also lesser people.
And with an interviewer attached,
you, well, should Israeli Jews pack up and leave?
Would there essentially add to the belief
that the government would return to the land
and hold numbers going from that?
You said that that idea would be continued.
At least that's what they wrote.
For the Catholic of us, you've been supporting,
or at least, prejudicing figures,
We're at a time where we have to find out if you understand the number of views to break
the voice.
I believe.
And I understand.
Yeah.
And again, if you were at the gym to see it.
All right.
What's your question?
Yeah, we will.
Come on.
I have a question.
I want you guys to answer it.
My question is why are you coming from these environments?
You said today you were a tact goodness and that you don't want to compromise on anything.
Yes.
But quite a few other computers, we've had them.
And I also want to have you professor by human chair's stage,
with somebody who's willing to compromise on the uncertainty.
This is not funny.
Thank you. No, no, listen, I really, I think we got the question.
Thank you. I really appreciate it.
No, we have to be a left that can have hard conversations.
So thank you.
Yeah.
Come on, yeah.
You heard the question.
Thank you.
Yes.
I'd like to also add to the question,
if you're hearing, I'm presenting
as a public actor, to be able to look into how
we're also running an artistic movement.
We have a staff in after 30 years that's
like that, to get to the end of the day.
Well, hold it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can hear you. We can hear you, but other people probably can't
and 35% of the population.
The long-considered Emmy crisis is so dire in fact,
that the socialism conference's policy
is that it can be understood to demonstrate
the importance of American acting public.
Moreover, it can be considered
an act of civil service by the world.
It is an act of class worker
to bravely to survive her collective measure.
It also signifies solidarity with real
liberal warm-heartedness, no climate.
We are more than happy to address the severity of COVID
if it means we could go back to work.
So my question for you is this,
will you show your solidarity
if you're working class of 20, and what would that last long?
Moreover, will you leave my email and refer to the appropriating
asking of a famous public servant?
And if so, would you like a hymn blast or a case?
Sure, either works.
All right, I'll answer that.
OK, OK, OK.
Sure.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Anything else can happen.
Hello, thank you all for your work.
Thank you so much for having me.
My question is, as I've come up to the music,
I'm really comfortable.
And I've been doing a little bit of the T,
it's going through all the different questions.
They're all important, but also it's important to take care
of yourself, so I think I know how you balance that.
I recommend that.
I love the music.
Thank you for the question.
Very good for five in that question.
All right, should we do the three, or should we
get another one?
Maybe one last one, just to talk a little bit more.
OK.
I just wanted to talk about various questions, but I feel like if you try to bring it all
there to all people, there is some life-processing that will have to occur and you'll have to
find a balance within that.
And I asked you a trick to the question, if you felt that this is a hurdle that will
that will have to somehow be jumped over
in order to actually get a socialist nation
for a more progressive, much-nationed effort.
Thank you for these questions.
Right.
So let me start by saying, socialism is mass politics.
And in order to activate the masses,
you have to be with the masses.
You have to speak to the desires of the masses,
to offer a lending hand to the masses,
and we have to be more approachable
and more appealing to the masses broadly.
But of course that doesn't mean we compromise
on our values or our principles.
So speaking of that compromise,
of course I'm gonna go to Haaretz and speak to Haaretz.
I've given interviews to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency.
I've given interviews to every single outlet,
including the New York Times,
which has aided and embedded in the heinous war crimes
of the Israeli government.
But the reality of the matter is, while I had a relatively sizable platform, if I did
not go to these platforms, to these other contentious environments, because that interview
that you were speaking of was approximately two hours, where I also defended the Palestinian
right to resistance, the Palestinian right to militant resistance on an Israeli newspaper.
but not limited to Hamas's existence in general. As far as the actions that unfolded on October 7,
of course, there's no reason to deny that atrocities did take place. Whether they were
directed by Hamas or not, it doesn't matter. These things did happen. Of course, I don't think
they were directed by Hamas in the way that it was represented. Or there's any evidence
whatsoever for mass rapes that were directed by Hamas in the way that it was represented in the New York Times.
But these are hard conversations that we also have to have with people that do not agree with us.
And at the end of the day, there's a way to violate BDS by speaking too hard, it's directly and agreeing with their framework.
And then there's a way to communicate with a broader Israeli society.
because, whether we like to admit it or not, we still obviously need a larger force, because
the crisis itself requires people from all different walks of life and all different nationalities
to grapple with the severity of it, to actually fight back against it.
One of the first interviews that I conducted on my broadcasts after October 7 was Dr.
Ofer Kassif.
He's in the Israeli Knesset.
He's been suspended on numerous occasions.
He's an anti-Zionist Jew, but he is in the Israeli Knesset nonetheless.
To cast aside people within Israeli society, even if it's a foolhardy endeavor, which it
certainly is to make no mistake, I know, I've seen the polls.
But to cast it aside across the board is, in my opinion, unproductive.
It might come across as immoral from your perspective, but even the abolition of apartheid
in South Africa largely happened as a consequence of the outside pressure from boycott campaigns,
from divestment campaigns and sanctions campaigns on apartheid South Africa, but it created an
environment of stress that made those who were beneficiaries of that same apartheid
structure to finally say, we can't continue with normal society, so we have to actually
move beyond the system.
So I'm not going to stop trying to convince people that our worldview is not only morally
correct, it's not only just, but it's the appropriate way to think about things.
But that still requires convincing people, and that requires sometimes to go across ideological
boundaries and speak to people.
I talk to racist people all the time.
I talk to people who wish death upon me
with regular frequency.
And I still also want what's best for them
regardless of their worldview.
So I'm not going to change that mentality,
especially when that mentality has convinced a lot of others
that might have a very different starting point
than someone like yourself, or you yourself
might have had a different opinion
at a certain point in time.
And then you arrived at the conclusions
that you've arrived at now.
We have to let people grow, and a part of that
is also talking to them.
As far as the grand pattern thing goes, yeah, he's a monster.
I mean, you're not wrong, so I don't know
what you want me to say about that.
The second question was about masking.
I think that's even trickier than the Haritz one, which
I think is not a moral act at all.
You're right.
That's why we fight for better accessibility provisions.
That's why we fight for a Medicare for all.
And that's also precisely the reason why we fight
for better circulation in rooms like this one.
Yeah, I don't know what else to say about that,
other than, as far as my day-to-day activities,
if I'm, you know, I don't know how to feel
about wearing a mask as an act of solidarity.
I think it's important to apply best practices,
especially if you're ill, to wear a mask
when you're traveling, when you're gonna be around people.
Yeah, I don't, like, right now I'm on stage
and I know that this is, I don't wanna get into
to the details of the Socialism Conference,
you guys are very kind to invite me here.
There will be some, in my opinion,
there's always going to be some friction with going
and building a more robust and a larger movement.
There's always a friction between making sure
that we are as accommodating as possible,
while also being open-minded to newcomers as well.
And I feel like things like this
actually create a barrier in some respects.
And it's not a trade-off.
I don't think it's a trade-off that's appropriate.
I don't think that we should cast aside our disabled comrades
and act as though they're not relevant or worthy.
But at the same time, I think while you work on that,
I'll work with people who might be a little bit shy
about might not care or consider the accessibility
accommodations that people are making.
And let me also just jump in and say,
socialism conference came up with a policy.
Folks decided people are honoring that policy.
I think we have to still be in critical dialogue.
So if our disabled comrades and folks who understand that
want to push on that policy and say
that this policy of us being on stage not masking
isn't the way to go.
But I just wanted to say it wasn't like Hassan's decision.
He's honoring a policy that everybody's
been observing throughout this whole conference.
At the same time, I hope that you
can receive that ingratitude for these questions.
Because I want us to be able to continue to do this
and without attacking each other and breaking up
into non-powerful positions.
Let me just say this.
All right, let me just say this.
We're almost out of time.
So I want to get some guidance maybe from Charlotte
about how long we want to go.
All right, listen, folks.
I apologize to the people.
Maybe there's a way where people can figure out
a way that had questions.
We need to wrap this up so we can go.
Thank you, everybody.
Thank you, Assam Hikers.
Thank you.
Yes, yes, thank you.
I'm really excited.
If those pictures stand back for one second,
can you stick around?
We're going to go for a second.
I have to use the restroom real quick.
Assam first, but then stick around.
Question and hang.
OK, so thank you.
Wait, what are people sticking around for?
Yeah, yeah, I said I would do it. I have to use the restroom over there.
Why are other folks sleeping around?
Oh, I don't know. I think there's something about Brown.
Okay. All right.
What's up there?
What?
Okay, can I go pee?
I literally have to go to the restroom.
Where's the restroom?
I told you here. I would love to maybe have to make another time to talk, but I want to hear you.
You can do it in 30 seconds.
I have to use the restroom real quick, and I have to do an interview right after.
Okay.
Of course.
I got one. Thank you.
I gotta go, son.
Oh my God.
Oh wait, I gotta give this to you.
Here you go.
Let me go get some coffee.
Oh, this is a saun's bite?
I think it's hot, so.
It is hot.
OK.
Do you know where the-
Can you hear me?
Hannah, text me.
It's loud.
I am close to the microphone, so
Copy in five minutes
Okay
How's that Hannah sorry I'm still alive
You're better good I need a I need a good or no good you want to lower
I'm going to find a sign.
Let's find out.
I love that in my interview.
Let's just end it here.
Let's just end it here, is it on, is it on this microphone?
Alright everybody, thanks so much for coming, I'll see you tomorrow, we're gonna end the
broadcast here, and it's a short and sweet one, I'm gonna do another interview really
quickly but I'll be back tomorrow.