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The Grandland Jonathan Greenblatt is messing with the cables.
A Sunbiker, Network the Buss.
A son's about to lose it, play his fist through his device.
A Sunbiker, that's right, just go to dinner, give him unsolicited tech advice.
No, Hassanahmi, network problems
All the eight cancuns are climbing up the wires
Hassanahmi, network problems
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The CIA is threatening Hassan's ISP
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Oh, all the micro-pundits are messed with the Wi-Fi
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Or maybe it's Patrick Ben-D, then he's the numbers guy!
Oh!
I'm so high up here, yeah, he is!
Right, right, right, right!
Ain't no problem, but it ain't no problem.
Ain't no problem, but it ain't no problem.
Ain't got to get the Wi-Fi, ain't got to get the Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi.
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what's going on everybody I hope everyone's having a fantastic evening
afternoon pretty no matter where you are the world of a soft biker this is our
broadcast without any network problems coming to you live from sunny California
Los Angeles was more live and alive and I hope all the boys girls that these are
happy to fantastic well because today's a beautiful day today is a special day
that was Hassan piker network problems song a day the 66,468th song of the
day from Jonathan Mann. Woo! We got a lot to talk about today, folks. Boy, do I have a show
for you. Yes, it is the USSRT train tie clip that I am wearing. It's a vintage USSR train
tie clip. Your boy is freshly cut from yesterday. We got the oil shock. We got so much to
talk about. God damn, there was a lot going on in the world, but it's still a relatively
slow news cycle, which is why your boy is prominently being placed at the top of the
news cycle. I'm late and I apologize. It is 11, 28 a.m. 9, 18, 20, 26, but before I get
started with anything else, it's a special day, folks. And many of you know why it's
a special day because it's Friday. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, it's Friday.
More like Friday. More like Friday. You already know what's up. It's Friday. The
The vibes are going to be immaculate no matter what today's spectacular, spectacular immaculate
vibes.
Why?
Because we cherish Fridays around these parts even though I work seven days a week for the
most part.
We cherish our Fridays around these parts and that is because ladies and gentlemen,
our forefathers in the labor union movement fought long and hard to make sure that
we have a weekend.
If you like the weekend, if you like the five-day work week, thank the union, thank an anarchist,
thank a socialistic communist, thank a trade unionist, and thank our forefathers for the
blood, sweat, and tears.
And that is precisely the reason why we are going to enjoy ourselves.
Forefathers, foremothers, forevampers, we got them all on this beautiful fry sleigh.
You already know, this is part of the broadcast where I tell you about my personal news
And I need to address something.
I need to address something.
Right.
I need to address something.
Folks.
Folks.
Last night I entered the broadcast and immediately afterwards I went on the John Love It show.
John Love It has a show. Love It or Leave It. You might have heard about it. It's a podcast
coming out on Saturday tomorrow. But it's also going to be on MS Now. It's going to
be filmed. It was filmed. It's going to be televised on MS Now. You can watch it
on TV. That's not one, but two times I've been on MSNOW this last week. The black listing
might be over. We don't know yet in any case, in any case. I did that, but that's not what
I'm here to tell you. Right after that, I was doing an interview with a reporter who
who's been, uh, uh, been by my side.
Okay. We're breaking the embargo. We're breaking the embargo, but.
I know that there have been,
there has been footage on the timeline of me
doing something off camera.
I went to hotpot for Christian's birthday.
Christian turned 25 today, or yesterday he's chopped.
He's chopped onk now.
He's chopped onk.
And I saw that I was captured.
It's captured on candid camera, on Luscious Massacre's Instagram story.
Happy birthday girls, happy birthday girls, happy birthday girls, we did it girl.
And you might notice something here.
I was wearing a fucking suit at hot pot now.
unacceptable. And I know that's unacceptable. I need you guys to
understand something I saw. I saw a comment on the timeline was
like, oh, he reminds me of when I was in middle school and I
started dressing up business casual and I would dress up
business casual everywhere, something like that. And it
struck a chord. It struck a chord, folks. The reason why I was wearing a suited hot pot is not
because I just wear a suit all the time now. The reason why I was wearing a suited hot pot is
because I had to go to hot pot right after I did the love it or leave it show.
Okay, I wasn't I wasn't like making a stance that I'm wearing a suit everywhere around the world now
that wasn't my goal even though I do want to live in that madman universe where like it's cool
that they're always wearing suits and ties everywhere I think that's dope
You did not need to keep the blazer on that was a choice. It's giving t-shirt at the pool. Okay, at
least I wasn't aware I've never won a suit to the pool. Mayor mom daddy goes swimming in full
He is self-harm scars
Yeah
Fashionably laid over blasphemously on time
Okay, listen listen calm down, okay
You were smoking if you were smoking at the hotpot table it would have been acceptable
Yeah, I wish we could I mean look I wish there was a way that I could like get the mouth feel
and the cool factor of smoking bugs you know ripping lung darts without the lung cancer because
And without the cardiovascular issues that come along with it
Because I would do it all the time I would do it all I would do it nonstop I would never stop I
Would never stop chiefing, okay
But yes, I
Was wearing a suit to hot pot
I needed to address it. I know some of you saw it and now you think less of me
There is a point there was a purpose
This I was I didn't have time. I didn't have time to change. I didn't have time to change stop
Ah
Baping is cringe yet vaping is the cringe of shit you can do 100%
In any case that's one thing personal news wise that was one problem that I needed to address obviously first order of business before we get to anything else really that needed to be addressed also
Also, other than that, I mean, I went to bed, woke up early, worked out, did a podcast,
did a German podcast by Grand Theft Auto 6, a Grand Theft Auto podcast that was on it,
it was fun.
That's the reason why I'm late.
And other than that, not much else is happening in the world right now, other than the
fact that you're always in the fucking news again.
Everyone that has hated me in the realm of politics has taken potshots non-stop left and right
This is their opportunity to be like this guy sucks
You're getting dragged for pulling out your phone in the interview. Yeah, I can't believe they just straight up put that in there dog
It's not live television
Like, they, it's not live television. Why do they keep that in? I really thought that they
would cut that part out where I was like, Hey, I don't want to get this information wrong. You know,
I don't want to get this information wrong. So I just, I, you know, corrected it.
I corrected the record and they were like nope we're keeping that shit in
You need it they need to act like you're a burnout zoomer stuck at his phone
You're gonna be with the Japanese newspapers out cooperating with China better for us then trading threats of Sompiker
liberation recedes sense of despair among people towards capitalism. Self-declare social
Sampakar 35 has been active as a political commentator for 13 years. Yeah, this is with Nick K,
which is the biggest, which is one of the biggest Japanese newspapers. Had a convo with them as
well. That was a while back and they just released it. But yeah. At least you care about facts.
I like those fucks. Yeah, wait, I don't even understand why why why they they kept that in like I said
It's I mean, it's not even like embarrassing or anything. I don't know why people are like
Trying to make a big deal out of that. Is that a big deal? I don't even fucking understand why that would be a big deal
Yeah, I didn't want to get information wrong. That's my job
Your axios interview was a lot better than you think to be honest. No, no, I know it was it was good. I
I know the Axios interview wasn't bad. Also Pettebe left. Got a little Hassanabi bump. Look at that.
Pettebe! According to the Ipsos poll.
Not bad, folks.
Let's freaking go! Let's freaking go! You know what I'm talking about? That's right, baby.
House of Abidisk goes to hit the game with the girls to talk to our stand-up.
I find the whole conversation of Westeros about this iron islander's barred Hassan pike
to be extremely disingenuous for a few reasons.
But he got on the fourth and a bunch of maesters and scribes around him have been talking
about this barred Hassan pike and the fact that he's a danger to Westeros and the
Westerosi way of life and he's an extremist and all of these lords that he's performed
at their halls. They're discredited because of how extreme this guy is. And I find it
disingenuous for a couple of reasons. Number one, he's a bard. He's not a lord. He's not
like the heir to Pike, right? He's a lesser son and he's a bard. So if you have an issue,
he has no impact aside from influence, right? So they just don't want him to be influential.
These views are mostly that the peasants in the current political system should just get
more than mud out of the political system.
Maybe they get a coin here and there, God forbid.
But that's too extreme.
Oh, and that they shouldn't have to go off and fight and die in needless wars, right?
Like that as well, like the one we have going on in Karth.
And so, this whole thing is disingenuous for that reason, but it's also disingenuous because
Aegon IV has surrounded himself with an army of bards who say way wackier shit than Hassan
Pike has ever said, right?
So he's, he's, whatever you think of Hassan Pike, let's remember Timothy Pool.
Do you guys remember that bard?
Who we literally found out that Norvos was funneling money they were paying him?
to say. What the fuck? Oh my god. Fuck it, dude. I'm saying
Heron Hall deserved to be burned down by Dragonfire. Release the
Targaryen files. Is this what this guy does?
Pro Nor Voshi talking points after they invaded Lorath. You
guys remember that? Because that happened like within the
last couple of years we found that out. And so the whole thing is crazy because,
and again, everything that Aegon IV accuses people of is a confession, right? If he's accusing them
of being with extremist bards, it's because he's doing it. If he's accusing anybody of anything,
it's because he's also doing it, it's because he's doing it. Not because they're doing it,
it's because he's doing it. And this is another prime example of them weaponizing a bard and
making it like a national talking point when this has been their MO since day one. It's
really crazy. I find the whole conversation on Westeros about this.
That's crazy. We've made it. When are you going to talk about the young knight watch
Commander Zoran Snow. Loki was cooking when he said Westeros deserved the dance of dragons.
He's not even Westerosi. He's from Marine, bro! Sir Pike is the only destruction from
the fact that most scrolls from the vaults of the undying are surely being released soon.
Will still thinks he'll be a topic in the 2027 debates.
Who on stage denounces Pike or raise your hand? Oh, for sure.
That's 100%. That's 100% what's going on. We'll get to all of that and more. We'll get to all of that and more in the Axios interview that was finally released.
It got a lot of views for what their videos normally get. In nine hours, it got 41,000 views.
The video was the interview is really good. Like I know that the commentary on the Twitter verse
of the video is that this was devastating. This was bad. We're going to get into all of that. I
got a blast. I forgot to blast off. But but yeah, no, I think the interview itself is is
somewhat of a perfect
somewhat of a of a perfect demonstration of how to handle how to handle a contentious interview.
I guess there's also some commentary on like how trapped I am from Chris Seltzer,
the tuition return political force being treated as a politician. It's untenable.
Yeah, like the only the only trap the only quote unquote trap was there's an art to talking to
contentious media to hostile interviews, right? And, and I did this with MS now. So you saw a great
example of like how to deal with that. And one of the things that you're supposed to do,
do, one of the things that you're supposed to do is basically like tackle the form. You do not
accept that framing at all. And the only, the only instance where that became like somewhat
problematic was obviously the, the Altair to America comparison, because he's constantly going,
do you prefer A to B, right? Like that's the,
it was it was 56 minutes of him just like aggressively trying to create headlines and
and they failed to get it with the exception of the the America versus al-Qaeda comparison.
The China versus Israel one didn't work, didn't go the way that they wanted it.
He literally said like would you take a Chinese would you take Chinese citizenship
have offered. I was like, no, I'm fucking American. He tried to bait me with Osama bin Laden. We'll talk
about all of that. And I basically stomped out a lot of those flames. And the Al Qaeda America one,
the reason why I leaned into it is because I think it's one of those contentious moments. If I
I wasn't being, um, forcibly connected to a, a, uh, race, a Senate race in Michigan.
That interview is, is fantastic.
Right.
The only reason why it's, um, the only reason why it's like becoming a
media problem is because they're using whatever I say to attack.
I'll, I'll say it a totally separate guy, right?
We're not fucking attached to the hip.
We don't agree on everything.
keep saying he doesn't agree with me on these things, right? But it doesn't matter.
So the as a I'm like being forced to wear two different hats where like you're they're treating
me like I'm a fucking politician. A politician that's like running in a race, a politician that's
not only running in a race that has like tremendous power, right? Tremendous power, not just
influence, but like, literally, like I'm moving and shaking the world. That's the way that
that they're treating me, it's very disingenuous. And it sucks because if you're running for
office, there are certain things you can't say. And of course, this association, this
Forcible Association is going to be a distraction. Even if it doesn't necessarily harm his approval
ratings, even if it doesn't harm him in general, ultimately, it's a distraction away from the
things that he wants to talk about, right? He can't attack Mike Rogers because he's constantly
inundated with a barrage of hit after hit statements about, statements about me, what
is the son said? Do you agree with this? Why did you bring him on campaign? All
all the stuff, it's very, very stupid. It's very dumb. It's very unproductive. But ultimately,
you know, we're all big boys and gals and then bees, and bees. And therefore, this is just
the design of a hostile media environment. And within that design, within that design,
Of course, there are going to be moments like this, no matter what.
Wow.
Thank you for this incredible photo.
Thank you for this incredible design, Chatter.
A Stomp-a-Curse trap, okay, so...
of course cover it all and more right now let's just blast off it's not working
yeah but it is it isn't it isn't right there's two ways one one it's not working
in the sense that like it's not actually harming his chance because people don't
give a fuck people don't know who I am people don't care right even when they
find out that I'm like this dangerous guy it's like a radical Islamic terrorist
or whatever. If that's what they are led to believe, they're like, I don't care.
This guy is not in fucking Michigan. You know what I mean?
He's not in Michigan. He's not in office.
Why am I supposed to care about this? This is fucking stupid.
So.
So here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Normies that are seeing the clips.
Are in agreement, like 100 percent.
And it's kind of funny because like the cope from my haters is now, oh,
Hassan is like brigading all these clips. None of these motherfuckers are fans, okay?
Everything changed when I started asking why do these countries hate America so much a lukewarm take truly obvious and rational position
I mean, he's not wrong
Not only is this objectively true, but acknowledging it does not make you any less American
You can love your country still be critical of it. You can love your country. You still want to change it improve it like
I'm telling you right now dude. I'm telling you
Normie Americans like normal Americans that are on Tik Tok and on social media
Fox news comment sections like these people
These people see it they see what we see our our worldview in
my opinion is
Is closer to the majority position not just on Israel mind you but on everything else like the average American does not like
the wars that we wage and I know that for a fact because Donald Trump won twice on
Presenting himself as the peaceful president. He lied about it, but clearly people voted on that platform. They were like, yeah
I like that. I do want America first. I do want to spend our money here rather than overseas waging fucking wars for the Epstein class
That's how I know that I know some in the chatter making a Simone Sanders joke
but how do you know that? Well, Trump won. Trump didn't win by saying, I'm gonna keep
waging fucking wars endlessly. He won by saying, Democrats want to wage wars. I don't. He lied,
but it still matters that that was his campaign, right?
So, what people don't realize is that we shouldn't wage wars overseas and we should spend
that money here instead is the moderate position or maybe perhaps a lot of people in mainstream outlets
understand that that's the moderate position and therefore they have to bastardize our position.
They have to make it seem like we're saying that we love America's enemies and we want
America's enemies to continue destroying America all the stuff. It's an inherently
reactionary position. It's always been the case. If you don't like it, leave was the rallying
cry of the right in perpetuity. However, something changed. Something changed in the Obama era
about the liberal national security interests. Liberals became Natsik Liberals, NATO Atlantis,
some of them were already there, but the entire National Democratic Party no longer was the anti-war
party. They certainly were during the Bush administration, but Obama comes in, he takes
control over the global war on terror. We do the surge in Iraq. All of a sudden, liberals
are in a position where they have to defend these endless wars. Obama had one, had ran
on and won on the idea that the Iraq war was a failure that we're going to pull out. He
didn't follow through on it. Now, that doesn't mean that the public isn't there, though.
The public wants to stop all of this senseless bloodshed, even if they don't care about the
victims of American Empire.
They still care about the fact that all of our money, all of our resources, all of our
taxes, everything that we do is focused on waging war for profit and plunder.
They want this money to be spent on America.
It's a huge divergence between, dog you were so a fish out of water in that Axios interview.
I don't know if we watched the same interview, but I rewatched it and I don't agree with that
assessment at all.
But I'm interested to hear why you feel that way.
55 minutes of you said this in 2016, you said this in 2018, I think it was pretty
good. You can love America, you can also hate what our government does as a mom. I love
my son unconditionally, but I would be a fucking piece of the group to be a serial
abuser and serial killer. I do what I want to make sure he's a good person, yeah.
It's funny because like the comments also don't agree with it either.
This is the one time a dem was honest.
Fetterman laments the rise of a Sompiker.
Our bass loves them.
I mean, it's true.
Seems like you need a higher quality bass.
That's crazy.
Seems like you need to lean into the bass.
You did good, just slamming talking point prep questions is not how conversations work
and that's why all your mainstream media interviews feel weird to viewers.
Wait, what?
No, I mean...
It's your haters' copium.
You got the axios.
You got to agree with most of your positions.
Is that the copium?
Copium is that it was a failure Hassan is like flailing or whatever
Oh, well, they should watch the interview and I think they will arrive at a very different conclusion if they watch the interview
Considering that even before we watch the interview most of the comments are literally saying that of course Jake Tapper has an interview to sign yet
For obvious reasons you hesitated does the interview want us to think he's a slime ball
There's a difference in contention and got your moments careers journalists for the establishment. Yeah, like every
every
instance of every second of those
56 minutes are hyperscrutinized and the intention was clear from the start.
Alex Thompson entered my home with one purpose. That was to have a gotcha moment
that would carry the headlines that would get him on Jake Tapper, that would
then materialize into Republican ad campaigns that can be used against the
Democratic Party in every race. Right? Your hair could
is dog ship pro? Okay. This is all I know the interview actually didn't go the way that
many of my haters wanted them to go. Okay. They've just moved away. They've moved away
from saying, well, the interview actually sucked to, uh, well, I don't like your haircut
Actually
What's with all the hate people chill out I'm in the news when I'm in the news
It reminds all of my fucking haters that it's a prime opportunity to come in here and just like lose their minds
They express their their anger and frustration. It's it's okay
But yeah
You're actually going to read bar for bar.
We don't have a time we don't have time for this.
I would like to just get right into it.
In 2012 when you found out Osama bin Laden was 6 foot 4, you were quoted as saying, that
boy was playing with the wrong rockets.
Do you honestly believe that Osama bin Laden could play for America's basketball team?
The Houston rockets?
Yes, or no?
or no. Mr. Piker, please, we are moving on. In 2015, you said, and I quote, the Greeks
invented toes in order to sell more sandals. Do you hate capitalist consumerism and American
democracy, which I can guarantee you, let me check my notes here, was invented by
the Greeks sir yes or no mr. piker I will not be made to look a fool I am a
respectable journalist in 2019 you posted a picture of the Philly fanatic on
your Instagram with the caption damn shouty thick sir do you believe in
objectifying mascots? Yes or no? Yes, Mr. Pi-
Yeah. It's also funny because like they're literally doing that with the community, you
know? So, Sana's mentioned giving news to Iran and having Iran develop them multiple
times. It's like half joking, half serious political analysis, but they'll literally
be like, one of the tweets that they're posting is like me saying, Iran needs nukes, no cap.
Yeah, Diddy G, Epstein's cultists are running a tight ship today. For example,
that shanking these mofags on debate clip, you should ask if he seriously thinks you wanted
Raphael Warnock to do that during the debate. Yeah. Anyway, so let's get into it. Axios interview
time, Axios interview time, ladies and gentlemen, as I was saying, the goal was not to have like a
productive conversation about like, you know, the rise of socialism or anything like that in a somewhat
hostile interview, which is fine. It was supposed to be, from my perspective, I'm like, Axios is
the center right publication. It's going to be a tough interview. It's all good. You know,
I can handle it, which, again, I can. It's just that the goal in mind was to generate headlines.
And what did not happen here for them was those headlines across the board, they were only able
to capture one. Okay, they were only able to get like one that they're, you know, driving into the
fucking ground. And in that circumstance, and this is our reactionary, this is our reactionary
media operates, right? This is how Fox News operates. You try to get something, you try
to get your left opposition to say something that is objectively true, that many Americans
could potentially understand, but you try to frame it in a way, you try to slam a contentious framing
into the conversation, into the narrative. And even if you can't get the sufficient
response that you're looking for through that bad faith framing, you can just drive discourse with
the headline, right? And that is precisely what they did. One of the best examples of this is,
of course, one of the best examples of this, of course, is the hyper folks on the Iran nuke
stuff, right? Like they, I said, no, I don't think Iran should have nukes. I don't think
anyone should have nukes. And that wasn't a sufficient answer. So they had to go with like,
well, these things Iran needs to get nukes for stability. Well, it sucks. But Donald Trump
basically said that, right? Donald Trump basically admitted that last week. So
you know,
The other the other story that they're trying to aggressively push that I don't even want to fucking focus on is the AOC angle
They're trying to do it
But we'll get into that and more but
Honestly, I would have walked out after the bin Laden thing
Are you willing to engage with bad faith framing so that people can at least hear you respond to it
Yes, I'm always willing to engage with bad faith framing
But given that there is a deliberate attempt here a coordinated attempt by not only the Republican Party
But Fox News and even CNN to turn this interview into headlines that will then be forced upon
the the Abdul al-sayed
Senate race
The timing of the Axios interview isn't great
The timing of the Axios interview was bad. Let's be real, the interview itself isn't bad,
but the purpose of the interview is to operate as a distraction from Abdulal said,
running his campaign without additional discourse around myself. Right? It makes sense,
because every moment that he has to like address something that I've said is a moment where
He's not talking about Mike Rogers where he's not talking about the gas prices not talking about the the the Trump administration
spectacular failure
right
It's unserious and it turns into a distraction and and it's unfair
But that is how it is right
What is this Jake Tapper on on blue sky
Jack just say Jewish this is taking forever Israel online puppet masters beyond parody as Jake Tapper amplifies
You know Tennessee Holler is Jewish, right?
The guy that runs that account he's Jewish isn't he?
But of course Jake Tapper real Jake Tapper victim of of anti-Semitic attacks from the Tennessee
holler uh... who is uh...
jewish himself
next try jake the post was written by
the jew whose grandparents to survive the holocaust and as bar mitzvah in the
orthodox temple israel does not speak for jews your complicities making us
all less safely have a son on or not what are you afraid of their there you
go
jake forgot this is in twitter and blue sky can tell the difference between
jews and israel
well at least sometimes
that battle happens on blue sky usually doesn't last too long
zionism a judy is in friend public strings are no public strings
congratulations on joining the israel's above reproach and i can just accuse any
critic of israel of being anti-semites club slow clap all they're cooking his
ass on blue sky
i fucking dare you to talk to us on the show you'll talk to literally any
republican anytime they want scott jennings is a lifetime appointment to
be fucking gross on cnn every time some all the republican shows up on
cnn we hear about important is the exam in their views
as you hand them a mic, put piker under the microscope and have them on the talk.
Just pretend he's a racist election-dying Republican.
Then you won't mind giving him airtime.
Oh!
Liberalism is back, baby!
Blue sky liberalism!
Israeli leaders do not equate to the Jewish people. Jake, you were such a
disappointing year years ago. I enjoyed watching you on TV, but whenever I would
put you on my wife would say, why are you watching that asshole again? I don't
trust him.
Obviously my wife is much smarter than I am.
Oh my god, Jake!
Jake! Jake! They're cooking your ass on blue sky, Jake!
Are you seeing this? That's one of my favorite things that these people do, by the way, like, liberal commentators will escape Twitter
because they know that there's, like, not only just, like, straight-up neo-Nazis on the platform, but, like, the only active left on Twitter is, like, very, um, aggressively anti-Zionist.
So they will just, like, go into their blue sky hug box.
So it's always funny when they go into their blue sky hug box to be like
These guys are doing anti-semitism and then they're just like the entire
Liberal constituency on blue skies just like fuck you
Which is so funny and look I have no presence on blue sky. I'm not on blue sky at all
So you know that none of these people are my people, right?
Maybe some of them are but for the most part these are just like regular
MS now watching CNN watching liberals who are sick and fucking tired of
The way that CNN is operating which is exactly my same exact anxiety. It's the same exact anger that I have
Oh
Hey Jake, maybe you can write a book about it have a song on your show stop talking endlessly about having talked to his face
Isn't it time for another tapper book nice try Jake the post written by Jews grandparents survived the Holocaust
Jake tapper law foot tapper has never been anything more than a glorified tabloid huckster this you Jake gangbanging a media land makes an appearance
Jesus Christ
Holy shit this guy said I see this as a Zionist that believes in a two-state solution
Considering the fact that Israelis are threatening to kill Jews in Israel who dare criticize the war like the Naza film crew
Might be time to change the Israeli flag to this Jesus Christ
What the fuck?
Maybe chill out mr. Man of the people
bro why are you free-skilling kiss I'm on blue sky big dog so fuck do you mean at
most you're gonna see a hot take that's like hyper woke it's blue sky blue sky
doesn't have unlimited pornography in the way that Twitter does? Does he know? Wait, do they? I don't know.
Jake Tapp currently earns about $7 million per year from CNN Contra plus additional income from
books, speaking engagements and other ventures. Yeah. No dude, on the discovery, there's so
much furry and kink should be careful okay well we're not on the discovery feed you have to probably
get on the discovery feed and i don't so jake tapper's getting his ass clappered on blue sky which
is really funny because blue sky is obviously supposed to be a safe haven for guys like this
it's a safe haven for guys like jake tapper right like he's he's on there specifically to
to get like the the positive approval from you know lifelong liberals that would be in
his uh that would be in his constituency that being as a fandom right
also the youtube comment are us dude you should not take seriously comments on instagram and
tiktok are more of a good representation no press for life um dude that's so funny
the guy who literally said, you still suck. How much worse the interview to the clip that's already out?
There are a lot of people like this. There are a lot of people like this who are...
Yeah. What? There are a lot of people like this who just get hypersensitive, right? How much worse?
How much worse is the interview? You got beta say Al-Qaeda was better than the U.S.?
No, I didn't say that I said us has contributed to more terror than al-qaeda, which is objectively true
So it doesn't fucking matter pulling your phone was a rookie move answering about China was so bad
You should have better answers your ASC answering was bad and you should have said yesterday
You should not have done it because it was not a net positive
dog you literally just described things that you saw on your Twitter feed you are a bot
you saw the
You saw this shit on Twitter and it literally changed your perspective
Dude, I am fan. No, I know I know I believe that you're a fan
It's funny it's funny that yes
You can be a fan and still get fucking duped by the Twitter
I'll go to be like well actually this was bad
It's like all the stuff that you saw on Twitter that people were complaining about
Like right where you were complaining about like a like the cattle that you are you just mood your way into the fucking broadcast
Do you have any personal opinions?
Anyway
The interview was good. I thought it would be bad going in. No, I probably shouldn't have said that it's like the most
contentious interview or whatever
Because that hyped it up way too much. I mean it was it was very it was very hostile, right? It was very hostile interview
Let's be honest a sizable portion of critique and chat is just sourced from Twitter targeting points. Yeah, no 100%
But you will see, you will see that this is actually not bad at all.
The only negative consequences is that they are trying to unfairly tie my position's
all the well said, that's it.
And that turns into a distraction.
turns into a distraction for the outside campaign. It's dumb. It's stupid. And that is, that is
the only downside to it. Any other time frame that this interview takes place, fucking doesn't matter.
If I truly hated this country, one, I'd probably be a Republican because I think they're
destroying this country. Or I would just leave in the electoral calculation. I'm not going to
It could be a big turnout boost for 70 year olds.
You have any concerns that you are inciting violence?
No, I do not.
It's on biker.
Welcome to the Exio show.
Very excited to be here.
Let's just get started.
You have something that most politicians and journalists want.
You have a huge six pack.
You have a huge and loyal following for hours every day.
Boom!
You also have a long record of saying things
that would end most careers.
Instead, you are as influential as ever.
You say that people often misunderstand the context
of your controversial comments,
but where do you draw the line
between provocative and reckless?
Wow, what a way to start that conversation.
I think there's provocation
and then there are instances
where something I didn't even intend to be provocative
turns into a major media moment.
And I think the greatest example of that is the last media cycle that just took place.
I don't know when this is going to be aired, but where my comments about how Israel is making
Jews less safe and the association with Israel and the American Jewry as this singular monolithic
entity is not only false, but it's contributing to anti-Semitism increasing.
It's something that I've said so many times over.
It's very basic anti-Zionist, Israel critical thought pretty much.
Aaron has demonstrated similar opinions in the past all the way back in 1946. As
reclined ironically enough when he was defending me, the last time people were
calling me anti-Semitic had said something similar to that. And yet it got
reduced and chopped up and turned into this thing where people were falsely
claiming that I was actually advocating for violence against American
Jews. That's a heinous accusation that wasn't intentionally provocative,
that wasn't provocative at all necessarily, but it turned into an instance of manufactured
outrage. Now, there's also on the other side statements that I do make that are intentionally
provocative because I want people to conduct a thought experiment and maybe even go against
things that they've previously thought about. Like one of the classic ones I've talked about
in the past for many, many years is that the concept of whiteness, like whiteness doesn't
exist or another one that's more recent is my statements comparing Israel to
Hamas. This is intentionally a provocative statement but it's also
something that I personally believe as well. I'm not being insincere when I say
this. I want people to match these two forces and challenge themselves to
really think because from our perspective in the Western world we look
a country like Israel, that's an ally, that's a foreign ally, that is a western-facing democracy
in the middle of this like scary neighborhood, right? Surrounded by barbarians, a small country.
And yet, it's done so much violence to all of its neighbors and also people
that it currently occupies. And I want people to really understand that like that violence
is not simply collateral. The victims of that violence are real human beings.
So if we were to match that same standard and consider Israeli society broadly as normal civilians
and normal human beings, and then also apply that same exact moral standard to the Palestinians,
then what I say it becomes not as controversial. And I think many people in my generation and
younger are already there. They've realized this. They've recognized this dynamic. And that's
precisely the reason why when you look at these different poles and you match people into the
the age of 44, and you look at their attitude over Palestinians versus Israel, or even sometimes
they were they directly pull Hamas, a designated foreign terrorist organization. The numbers
of people who prefer Hamas over Israel are rising. Now, am I married to the idea of
Hamas governing Palestine? Of course not. That's up to the Palestinians. That's up
to the people that live there, right? And I'm not, I'm not here to advocate on
On behalf of their civil governance, I'm not here to defend the atrocities that took place
on October 7.
My argument simply is to try to get people to understand that if they were under brutal
subjugation for 75 years, 75-year occupation in apartheid, they probably would also react
in a very violent way.
Boom.
Perfect.
You mentioned your comments that had become controversial in Michigan.
I was watching your stream last night during the, you know, debate with Abdul.
Yeah.
Piper said last month that portraying records used uniformly supportive
Israel is a very dangerous mode of propaganda warning that it would
eventually lead someone to take action against American Jews rather than Israel.
Well, I'll say you had, you seem pretty frustrated with his response, uh,
that essentially throwing you under the bus.
Is that how you feel?
Do you think he's making a mistake?
I don't, I think he is making a mistake with, uh, with taking ownership over
something that I think most voters understand is in this year.
It actually went back to what I was talking about.
The idea that Israel's making Jews less safe was also demonstrated by Dana Bash when she was, you know...
When she interviewed Benjamin Ninjahu and she was channeling what Haley Stevens,
Abdul Al-Said's pro-Israel opponent, had also said.
Because this is...
But do you think Abdul Al-Said is basically buying into the argument that you're anti-Semitic?
Do I think Abdul Al-Said believes I'm anti-Semitic? Of course not.
But do you think he's basically saying that?
I think that he is trying to take advantage
of the short period of time that's remaining
in the next like 40 plus days to just move away
from this issue to the best of his ability.
Because every moment that you're talking about
a Twitch streamer from California is a moment
where you're not talking about the cost of living crisis.
It's a moment where you're not talking about gas prices.
And Republicans know that.
And that's precisely the reason why they keep-
This is where it's like he starts lasering the gotchas.
You can see is I
He was very intense look at his face. I
Don't know if it's like just how he is but it was freaking me out a little bit while we were doing while we were doing the interview
I was like I would sometimes look over at him and I was like damn dude. Why do you look like that?
It's
He was just like he was he was so aggro dude. It was crazy
Yeah, he he would hit this to be like okay, you're making a valid and salient point
We have to move on to the next headline grabbing got your moment. I understand. I understand
It was funny
It was funny
needling on this issue to make it seem like I am a salient point that
Michiganders care about. So are you gonna stay away from Michigan? I mean if I'm
if my services are needed I'll go wherever right? Have they asked you not to
come? There's been no conversations on like don't come to Michigan or come to
Michigan at all. Having said that I think if Abdul Al said at this stage
was like Hassan I need you to come to Michigan there'd be real deep
problems because my job isn't to get 65 plus year olds out to vote for the
Democratic candidate. My job is to get under 45 year old college educated and
non-college college educated men to come out and participate. It's not only vote
but to also door knock, canvas. And of course I have a job far more
consequential than that outside of this but I'm saying in the electoral
calculation I'm not going to be a big turnout boost for 70 year olds. I'm
I'm going to be a big turnout boost for people who are either in college or college-aged.
Well, in the primary, you know, when you went out on the campaign forum, his polling went
up.
It was a he moment in the race when Mallory McMoro, his Democratic opponent, tapped you.
Her polling went down.
Yeah.
A lot of people have takes on why that happened.
What is your take about what happened?
Yeah.
I think that was a major misstep from Mallory McMoro, who's trying to present herself
in the Goldilocks zone, right?
say to the centrist that she's not super scary as a progressive, and to tell the
progressives that she was far more progressive and sympathetic to this
cause than Haley Stevens. Unfortunately it backfired on her and I think this
will continue to backfire on Canada as they try to triangulate because it comes
across as a little bit insincere. Because you check out of Twitter, Alex has
continued to trash talk you basically yeah guys he doesn't like me but guess
guess what? We don't have to behave that way. Okay? I know. I know. I am shocked. I would
be kind of sad as well if this is the white whale. As I said to Will Steakin, okay? As
As I said to Politico, the goal for a lot of these guys is to get that one perfect fucking
interview, right?
Like the interview that does it, the interview that destroys and ritualistically humiliates
me, destroys me and causes me to be treated like Nick Fuentes is going forward.
the interview that everyone's looking for? Alex's full interview with some
pikers really worth a watch. Pikers pressed on many of his contrast comments
and actually provides context comments that have been taken out of context to
attack him and Dems etc. So my comment that I gave to Politico was like
look he's looking for what you know Jake Tapper's looking for
what all these guys looking for which is I said these guys all think
They'll get the interview that takes me out and they fundamentally misunderstand the landscape and how angry voters are
I'm a twitch dreamer with more than 22,000 hours of extemporaneous commentary on political issues as well as dig jokes
We are holding every utilization of metaphor hyperbole joke or a passing remark to a higher standard
The president's actions accelerated the cost of living crisis with those wars of choice
This is why there is a crisis of credibility for mainstream outlets
And that's ultimately what it is. So if I was in Alex's shoes and I didn't end up getting the
major boost that I was looking for, if I went into the home of a dangerous radical and the entire
interview was just like previously coordinated, like remember the level of coordination that Axios
had on this, is maybe in other circumstances would probably reach the standard of election
interference.
They did this interview, and they reached out to Abdel Alsaid before the interview was released.
It was so clearly a hatchet job that they were like, Abdel Alsaid, what do you have
to say about this?
They found what they thought was like the most aggressive gotcha moment, and they immediately
slammed him with it. The next morning, Jake Tapper was already announcing that he was going to have
Alex on the show. It ran every fucking headline for the day yesterday.
Think about the level of coordination required. Like, does this come across as organic to you?
Do you feel like this is an organic moment where people were just like, oh yeah, we got
a song to, you know, come on the show, like, let's have a conversation?
Do you feel like that's natural?
Do you feel like that's a natural fancy?
Do you feel like this is, do you feel like this is a natural media narrative that's like
a concocted or was this a coordinated and relatively ineffective totally inorganic smear campaign?
Aisin also caught wind of what was going on. He said short recap based on one topic I observed
Fox focused on today. Hassan Piker was mentioned on pretty much every Fox show today. Fox and
Friends first Fox and Friends, America's newsroom, Faulkner Focus outnumbered America reports
the story will came the five special report all of it. As far as CNN mentions
based on a transcript search the same subject came up on CNN this morning CNN
News Central inside policy database the Lee would Jake Tapper and CNN Newsnight
with Abbie Phillip. Do you feel like this was unique? Do you feel like this was
totally organic? Or do you think that this is a uniparty coordinated media
effort to despair the left after a string of electoral victories. If they can't get
a good sound bite, they'll invent a headline and move off of that. If you're to the left
of Pelosi, this should worry you. This is how they construct a fascist right wing victory.
That's it. That is precisely what they're doing.
implies CNN isn't a Republican apparatus? I mean, it is uniparty.
In any case, let's continue. It comes across as too much like a like a politician. Like what
what do you truly believe is I think what a lot of people are looking for? Authenticity.
Some people can fake it. Some people can't. And and then there are those who are very
calculated about like what policy positions they're advancing, but why were you appealing?
Why was it you that ended up? So I was used almost as a litmus test for not only authenticity,
but also where people were on the issue of Israel. So when Mallory McMorrow as a progressive
with the expectation that she is going to be very critical of Israel came out and attacked
someone who has a lot of credibility, by the way, I need you to understand something.
people are saying this interview was bad. And it's because ironically enough
they're doing the same thing that they always do. They didn't watch the interview,
they only saw the clips on Twitter, they didn't even watch the clips on Twitter,
they just read the description of the clips on Twitter that were negatively
framed and they're moving off of that. Unfortunately, we are now firmly in the
crisis of illiteracy. No one has intellectual curiosity. No one wants to demonstrate intellectual
honesty. Okay. And back in the day, this was relegated entirely to the right. We used to
make fun of the right for behaving this way. And now Twitter Liberals do the exact same thing. I
think part of it is because of the factional battle that's taking place within the Democratic
party people are drawing their lines. You know, the line of demarcation is drawn. You're like,
am I a liberal? Am I a Nancy Pelosi liberal? Am I a Sompiker Democrat? What kind of,
what kind of Democrat am I? What do I want the Democratic Party to look like? There are some
people who are advancing this narrative, fighting this battle. But I will say this,
I think many of us are in one way shape or form being manipulated by Elon Musk's racist-ass algorithm.
I think people are getting dumber and dumber and dumber off of Twitter.
On the anti-Zionist front, on the anti-war front, on the anti-Israel front, broadly speaking,
people took that as her laying a claim on a centrist position, or maybe even one that
is far too sympathetic to Israel at a time when this is a 90-10 issue in the base.
The Democratic Party very clearly wants to reexamine our relationship with this foreign
country that has done heinous crimes and is seen as a major tax burden for no particular
reason. You think Israel shouldn't be an ally at all. I don't think Israel in its current
formation should be an ally, but I also feel that same exact way about Saudi Arabia. I
feel that same exact way about countries that are operating in illiberal and undemocratic
authoritarian ways. Of course, that standard does not apply to American allies at all.
The country that came from Turkey, fairly autocratic at this point, at this stage, Adedon
has been in power in one way, shape, or form, and his party has been the dominant party
in one way, shape, or form for the last three decades. And yet, Turkey is a NATO partner.
Turkey is the second largest standing military in NATO. And therefore, it's far too critical
of an ally in the region for America to either demand changes
or at least restrict what kind of aid we're offering
to the outgoing government.
Let's talk 2028.
You signaled that AOC would at least be
probably your preference.
Have you talked to her or her team
about her run for president?
Look, I keep my conversations with politicians private
for obvious reasons.
I mean, I watch your stream.
Sometimes I reveal the conversation.
Sometimes I don't.
But having said that, you know,
What I've said publicly is my stance on the issue.
I think AOC would be a good candidate.
I think the left may be talk to you,
you don't say what the conversation is for,
but you've talked to our team.
I mean, I've talked to AOC, yes.
I have contact with AOC and her team, yes.
And, you know, numerous other politicians,
including Bernie Sanders,
including politicians that you would not expect,
that are not immediately seen as allies
to Democratic socialists.
Would you want to campaign for her if she did run?
Oh, absolutely.
Yes.
What goes on behind the scenes in the night?
By the way, they took this to be like,
Hassan Piker is going to campaign for AOC.
It's like, yeah, I said, absolutely.
What do you mean?
Like, why wouldn't I?
Why wouldn't I do that?
Like it was headline bait because they're trying to be like Hassan Piker this like they want
to get the AOC disavowal.
I think she's I think she's too smart to do that.
Um, and they doubt that would be ridiculous because literally everything they attack me on, they're gonna attack AOC on anyway.
But, um, but ultimately look, they are trying to, I think they recognize that the less popularity is growing, right?
The less popularity is growing.
and they are very worried about that. So this conversation is not about 2026. This conversation is
not about Abdul's race even. This conversation is not about 2028. And it's not even just about AOC.
It's about whoever will occupy the left flank position who will take on the mantle of the
the burning crap. Okay. And we have our work cut out for us. Okay. There's so much, there's
so much work we need to do in order to build a much broader coalition. We have to go to
not only liberal voters, as Rahm Emanuel likes to say, we're not going to only turn
uh, blue districts into midnight blue, but we also have to go to, we also have to go
to red districts as well. We have to go to red districts. We have to bring in independence,
low propensity voters. Okay.
And I think we have that opportunity, we have the capacity to be able to do this.
But part of that also requires real organizing, real community organizing, putting in the work
on the ground.
PTB in Belgium does the medicine program, right?
They have the people's medics brigades.
They operate doctors and nurses in hundreds of neighborhoods, right?
And we have to also do something similar.
The Black Panther Party had the breakfast program.
We on the left have to do something similar.
We have to maybe tap in to the tenants union organizers that already are operating in many
red districts and many red neighborhoods.
Many of them, many of these tenants rights organizers, tenants union organizers are
already DSA.
And we have to fund and facilitate that element as well.
This is going to be a great boost for elections as well, even though elections are not the
end all be all.
Remember, I'm not saying that winning elections is the most consequential element.
That's why we have to do these sorts of organizing.
That's why we have to engage in this sort of organizing.
That's not what I'm saying at all.
Before people misunderstand me, it's good on its own.
It's good on its own to organize in these communities to solve some of these problems.
We have to do that.
A competent socialist movement historically has always played that role.
A competent socialist organization has always been there.
This is a mass movement.
We have to seek the masses.
We have to be with the mass.
We have to seek out their problems and solve them.
Remember, the association with socialism for the longest time has been scary,
alien foreign
Attitudes that are not American that are anti-American the association with socialism should be on the Electoralist front
The association with socialism should be with good governance and a confidence in good governance that we must build
and then the association with socialism elsewhere should be with
with solving the problems that regular folks experience, okay?
When someone in Tennessee or Missouri thinks about socialism, that association should be
with how their tenants organizers, their tenants union organizers made sure that they got
the help necessary when they were facing dire circumstances, when they were about to be evicted.
Right? That's what socialism should be associated with.
For the rest of the country, it should be associated with the things that Zoram Amdani
is doing, good governance, a politician that says they are going to do certain things
and then accomplish that agenda, accomplish that agenda that helps alleviate some of the tensions, some of the pressures
help out with the struggle of ordinary folk. That is what we have to do.
The Democratic Party and what gets talked about is
entirely different, I think in many respects. Hmm. Yeah, as a reporter I agree.
Let's rewind a little bit on to some of the reasons why you are controversial.
In 2019 you said America deserved 9-11.
As you know, millions of dollars have advertising by the Republicans.
I want to know this remark in all of Michigan.
Why did you say it?
I want to know how much money they've spent on that so far.
But yeah, in 2019 I said America deserved 9-11.
I apologize shortly thereafter.
I think it was a day after for the language that I used the word that you did when on the young Turks
Yeah, and you talked about how you know English is your second language and you apologize
Why did you scold chaffer design?
Simo's genocide takes because I'm a white man. Okay, and this is a white community and
I don't know if you're white yourself
Okay, no spamming chatter. You're soft as hell. Okay here. You actually take this ban also
but I'm not going to be a white guy with a white community that's like
aggressively attacking Samoa Sanders a black woman okay it's not gonna happen
alright shut the fuck up that's it that's it Jesus Christ
Please, guys, please, can you, can we just, for once, try to understand the moment that
we're in?
Is that appropriate?
Is that possible?
Am I asking too much of anonymous accounts on the internet?
Sometimes even if you have the right opinion, there is a much more delicate way to handle
the situation, which I did.
Okay, I did.
I did do that.
handle it. Some of you just want to say I'm right and I'm going to exercise how
right I am and be as annoying as possible that that it comes across like
racial grievances coming from white people against black people okay you
don't see the way you are perceived you don't understand the way you're
perceived by the intended audience, okay?
Standpoint epistemology to justify genocide is unacceptable across the
board, but there is a way to handle the situation in a
delicate way. I think many of you are frustrated
Because you just want blood sports.
You don't want to have this conversation in a manner where the audience that's watching it
will be far more receptive to what we are saying. Okay.
Please.
Yeah, bro, the way you handle it, Kamala was peaking the clips going around are doing amazing work in black circles
That would never happen if you went aggro instead the contradictions are lining up in the most amazing ways because of how you responded exactly
Exactly. I've gotten
You know
I've gotten a lot of credit for the way I dealt with that conversation
Conversation and some of you just want blood sports. I'm sorry. You don't want to you don't want to have like a very
You don't want to have a
Media moment that is ultimately productive. You just want to exercise how fucking correct you are. Please stop
Okay
Sometimes, it's okay to plant the seeds of discourse and let them harvest on their own.
Okay?
The MS Now interview planted the seeds of discourse.
You will see their fruits, you will see those trees bear fruit.
down the line, okay? You don't have to autistically demand blood sport every fucking waking moment.
You understand? Some of you want that though. Some of you want that battle, because you're not
thinking about this in a tactical manner, okay? It's already happening. There are going to be
further think pieces about this as well. We, especially white folk, are not going to be the
people driving that conversation. If the conversation is about, if the conversation is an intra-community
discourse about black politics and where they stand on the issue of Gaza, where they stand on
the issue of Israel, the best possible thing that I could have done is have a cordial conversation,
albeit contentious, but a cordial conversation that lays out our positions perfectly while
tying it back to historic black struggles, internationally tying imperialism and colonialism
in the same kinds of systemic forces of violence and the way that people treat those systemic
forces of violence versus the people who struggle against them through armed conflict at times.
That was my goal and I initiated that conversation in my opinion to the best of my ability despite
my limitations on that front. Okay. Now the rest is up to black thinkers, radical black thinkers,
Socialist black thinkers anti-imperialist black thinkers who then move that conversation into an inter-community
mode of discourse and that's precisely what's happening
okay
Some of that is you know moments like this
Boyega says makes me sick to my stomach to see a twist from her school to black to black people on the perils of
Imperial violence between Hamas and black activists fighting systemic violence and oppression sorry state of affairs recipes lost man
This shit was damn near common knowledge in the 60s wasn't even up for debate
There was more than intellectual clarity on the unified international struggle against imperialism
I'm not here to say that okay
I'm not equipped to say that because if I were to come across as short if I were to come across as as anything
But like anything but taking a principled stance if I was just like flexing, okay?
That would shut off additional conversations
Because of my position, okay?
Some of you don't understand that. There are decades of anti-socialist, anti-communist propaganda that
has taken root in every facet of American society, including Black America. Black Americans are
still American. They live in American society. They are still impacted by those same structural
forces. That's why I sometimes say like, look, white supremacist education ends up creating internalized
white supremacist attitudes, okay? Anti-communism and anti-socialism works in the same way despite
the long-standing history of black revolutionary struggle being socialist in and of itself,
being communist in and of itself, right? So in order for this conversation to take a healthy
turn to be productive as an inter-community conversation, sometimes we're going to see
our way out of it and let black thinkers take on that role. Some of you don't care about that at
all. You don't want to allow for healthy discourse to flourish. You just want to be right. You
want to exercise how right you are. This is not how we do things. Okay, yeah, we got to
give black socialists room to cook. That's it. That is the most organic way to continue
This discourse, that's the most productive way that this discourse can continue.
I agree 100% however I wonder when Muslim and Arab community members will have
a place at the table to converse the having walk on eggshells it's gonna happen it's already beginning to happen
but part of that is also winning political power folks that's how it works
for the offense yeah i i don't think it was appropriate because of of uh obviously the the
heinous crime that had taken place three thousand americans died i don't think that's acceptable in
any way shape or form not pro-terrorism um and that's precisely the reason why i apologize
not that I'm expecting anyone to show grace in that moment to say,
oh, well, you apologize, and it's fine. Of course, it's politics.
People are going to insincerely keep pushing whatever they find to be advantageous.
The thing that I'm saying was, of course, that America's actions in the region,
including aiding and abetting not only the Taliban, but also the Mujahideen in some instances,
some of the factions that broke off and created Al-Qaeda ended up engaging in blowback for
the consistency stabilization in the region. This is a position that actually I believe,
I was looking at the polls, all the way back in 2001 had 66% approval that America in some way,
shape or form, was responsible for 9-11. But polls, which is, actually I'm going to pull
it up real quick because I found it to be fascinating. I just, I was recently going
back to see like what was the attitude even back then um hold on i might have actually presented
it more favorable uh than it actually is but i want to i want to quickly pull it up for you
i can't believe they post they i can't believe they they uh they let this they left us in the
edit why wouldn't they fucking uh why wouldn't they have just like deleted this part you pulled
pull that opponent in for an interview that's crazy. Yeah, I did. It's not live guys. You
do realize like sometimes when you you do realize sometimes when you read a quote of
mine in like a newspaper or something that like they clean it up. He asked for the
fucking poll. This is, this is, uh, okay, there's two ways to go about it, all right?
There's two ways to edit quotes in the news. If you don't know how this works, is journalism
101, I'm putting you on game, okay? If you want to embarrass the person that you're
interviewing, okay? You don't clean up quotes at all. Now, ironically enough, during
Trump won, the media never cleaned up Trump's quotes. They would just reveal it as is. They
wouldn't put brackets in the quote to help define some of the terms or to help you understand
exactly what he was saying. They would just straight up slam the quote with the arms and
the Oz. What the fuck? Yo, what is happening? Oh, okay.
chaos outside. So back in the day, they used to do is the
Trump and then they started cleaning up Trump's quotes.
Now they just clean up whatever he's saying, because he's, you
know, a madman, it's impossible to understand what he's
saying. If you don't clean up his quotes, they did this to
AOC. When she was at the Munich Security Conference,
when she delivered a response about like what to do with Taiwan, they kept the arms and the
Oz and the the the moments where she was, you know, thinking out loud or whatever directly
in the quotes. They do that only to embarrass the person. Okay. You only do that. You only
do that if you find your subject to be in opposition. It is a bad-faith thing to do.
However, this is not a bad thing to do. I didn't want to come across as wrong. I didn't want to
deliver wrong information. I told them what the correct information was.
You tighten it as a courtesy, but you also tighten it because you want to make sure
that you know the public that are watching it the public is watching it like
doesn't get the wrong information but in any case it's still it's not a bad look
regardless I know that that's what the dumb ass on Twitter are trying to run
with they're like oh this idiot like you had to pull out a quote it's like yeah
of course if I have something wrong if I say something wrong I'm gonna correct
myself you fucking dumb ass that's the expectation dumb ass what do you mean
What? Yes, I'm an honest broker.
But it is very funny.
What is this? BIPOC take from a black woman to uh, oh
This is the newest on piker discourse is draw via small Sanders. Yeah, we'll we'll
covered this later, we'll cover this later. Dr. Amber also, I saw their TikTok on it.
It's a very old poll and I was shocked by it too, so I think it's fascinating.
U.S. wrongdoing might have motivated 9-11 attacks. In 2001, 33% of all Americans
said that U.S. wrongdoing might have motivated 9-11 attacks 2002. By 2002 it was 38%,
2004 it was 38% and amongst them all of this 40% the poll
Comes from pure research. Okay, that's less than 60. Yeah. I was wrong. It was what I was looking at was
Fully two-thirds of liberal Democrats got it that said that six seven percent having said that of course
There is public approval and then there's the truth. He's at six or something, right? Yeah
They fucked you up.
I can't tell if you guys are joking.
Or if you just like genuinely are mentally ill or have like a significant intellectual disability.
Or if it's um...
Or if you're that like easily duped by Twitter discourse.
You know
Maybe it's just like rage baiting 38 most subscribers like board. I'm John Fetterman chill
Yeah
You lay your enemies into your house these are intentional production decision to make you look bad
I know but it still doesn't even work. You know what I mean, of course, I'm gonna fucking engage in a fact check
I'm not I'm not trying to
Um, what do you call it? I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna let it hang if I get something wrong, right?
It's the right thing to do. It's the appropriate thing to do. That's what everyone in mainstream media should be doing, right?
The whole point is to get it
It's not a weird thing to do at all. Why do you guys think it's a weird thing to do? You have to understand
Then two things, number one, of course it's always good to fact check yourself, that's
number one.
Number two, number two, the strange element here is to keep that in the edit rather than
cut it out entirely.
Normally, if stuff like this happens, and it has happened in other interviews, right,
where I'm like, let me get a fact completely correct, I don't want to say the wrong
thing here, I'll just pull it up really quickly. And then, you know, they cut that part out
where I'm saying, like, let me get this fact correct. I don't want to, you know, I don't
want to, I don't want to get this wrong. And they just, they just go with the final product
of me saying, like, here it is, Pew Center study. It's a, you know, 60% of liberal Democrats
believe this. And, you know, 33% of all people in 40% of Democrats believe that,
that American involvement and American intervention played a role in 9-11 immediately after 9-11, right?
Like that's like, not, you know.
Oh my god, is it because destiny brought a tablet to his Norm Finkelstein debate and got embarrassed?
Is that the reason why? Because he was constantly on his tablet the whole time, like a little baby, like a screen-ager?
Oh my god is every fucking is every instance is everything that drives discourse on Twitter just like an anxiety that one fucking
Sex pest has and his cult is constantly projecting. Is that the reason why this is like the the main point of contention?
It's not even a real point of contention. Nobody fucking. I don't think anybody gives a shit about this moment
But the question I have is why are there people in my community that see that stuff, that
see that drama slop and go along with it?
You should be a little bit, yeah, it wasn't a gotcha, you fucking idiots.
I was fact-checking myself.
It's not like I was reading Wikipedia to come up with talking points on the fly.
Not only do I believe that this was the truth, it's a well-established academic concept. The CIA has also talked about
They're trying to ignore their own stuff. Yeah, I saw this is yeah, destiny's community should probably worry about destiny's son
Joining Atomwaffen and the order of nine angles potentially, you know
We're all the sexpests any fans out there who are celebrating like oh people are yelling at us on once again dog
your
Your fucking sex best cult leader son is a literal neo-nazi and he's moved down
The worst stage of the neo-nazi pipeline where he's now a part of the order of nine angles potentially
Okay
No, it's on it said people see this is you were pulling data from your ass is the same angle of attack of the MS interviewer
Doing when she was asking you where'd you get the data? How did you know?
Yeah, but it didn't pull it out of my ass. So I don't know why the fuck this person said that
The only thing I got wrong was not six percent all Democrats six percent of
60% of liberal Democrats
60 plus percent of liberal Democrats
Order of Nine Engels is a terrorist group, extreme nihilistic violent extremism, it's
one of the NVE groups.
Anyway, let's continue.
Another of Neocons, recently wrote from Brookings Institute about how, yes, of course, our
meddling in the affairs of the Middle East is what inevitably caused 9-11.
To blow black, would that include, you know, US support for Israel, military bases throughout
the Middle East, you know, US oil policies?
Absolutely.
This doesn't justify the action, mind you.
This is more so analysis to stop further violence from taking place, both violence
in the region, but also violence in the home front as well.
The reason I bring up those things is because those are specifically cited by Osama bin
Laden as justification for, and I guess my question is...
and also our civil liberties.
Well, did bin Laden have a point?
That is a gotcha, my friend.
Let's take a look at how I respond.
No, I think that the action was so heinous and so violent
that, and also given his position as formerly
an American ally, as I believe is a telegraph,
called him the brave warrior fighting against the USSR to show a path of peace in Afghanistan.
I think that that he came across a little bit more as a spoiled brat that that wasn't getting
his way with many backers in the Saudi kingdom as well in the royal family.
Just want to give you guys a quick note on that. By the way, Axios is funded by a
Ramco just a point to put out there for no reason Saudi or Ramco one of the main
funders of
Axios Axios brought to you by Saudi or Ramco
Just want to point that out. Just want to point that out. You might think that that's a conflict of interest
Maybe I don't know just putting that out there
Let's continue.
But he wrote in that letter, which is, you know, it sort of had a second life among some
in the left wing, that, you know, Americans would be irrational to expect to live in peace
and prosperity after, you know, over half a century of meddling in the Middle East.
Isn't that the definition of blowback?
Yeah, it is.
is the definition of blowback.
And I want less actors like Osama bin Laden
to exist in general.
There's two schools of thought on this.
One is obviously to kill as many people in the region
as possible with the hopes that we can squash
any kind of resistance whatsoever.
And the other path of least resistance
is to not interfere in these affairs in general
and not continue to dominate and create an environment
people are going to seek out revenge and you know pursue pursue diplomacy but us in in a position
of danger. Did you get clipped out of context again? Wait, what? It's just what's the difference
between deserved and blowback? Yeah, I think the difference between deserved and blowback
is the justification. Blowback is not a justification. Blowback is just what it is. A justification
offers either a moral condemnation or a moral acceptance of the act. I do not accept the
act of 9-11 morally. I believe that it was a horrifying tragedy. Also, come on man. Come
on. Come on. Talk to him. Really, this is the devastating interview. This is, you think
anybody that fucking watches this interview thoroughly is going to have the takeaway
way that this is a disaster.
Why no one clipped that law?
What do you mean?
Because no one wants to have a nuanced conversation.
They want headlines.
This is also precisely the reason why Jake
Tapper will never fucking have me on the stream.
Will never have me on his broadcast.
Can you imagine?
This is why they won't fucking have me on the MS now interviews a great example of this as well
But Jake Tapper or Dana bash never gonna have me on because one they're not as as as well equipped in real time to deal
a
Hostile interview in the same way that Alex Thompson is in this moment, right?
Because not like 56 minutes of uninterrupted like you said this you said this you said this and even if he were to
do that even if you were to do that you can't just cut me off it's live
television
do you see what I mean if this conversation was happening between myself and
Jake Tapper on live television the outlook would look very different okay
The outcome of it would be very different. This way, they get to generate an attention-grabbing headline and then have an out-of-context clip that they can slam into the discourse that is un-nuanced, that is negatively framed, and then let that circulate, let that dominate the headlines.
So talking, you know, to keep on the Middle East a little bit, the Trump administration
has used the fact of we can't let Iran have a nuclear weapon as justification for this
war.
Do you think Iran should be free to build a nuclear weapon?
I think Iran, much like any other sovereign nation, has a right to defend itself, regardless
of its domestic policies.
My opinion on the matter is not dissimilar to what John Mersheimer has said, which is
that in order to create regional stability in a world where mutually assured destruction
is the only way for countries to have sovereignty, it's the same principle that I applied
to Ukraine as well.
that would have nuclear arms in an age of nuclear proliferation are the only countries
that can generate true sovereignty.
Now having said that, do I want Iran to have nuclear arms?
No, but I also don't want America or Russia or China to have nuclear arms either.
Do you think the Middle East would be-
I think the one other point that I should have said here is that Donald Trump is worse
for the world.
I know that that sounds crazy, but when you think about it, Donald Trump has admitted
last week
that if iran had nukes then he wouldn't have done
the iranian war
which implies that donald trump's impact on the world
is worse than iran having nukes
that's
fucking insane
but it's true
because of iran had nukes donald trump would not have attacked iran
and iran would not have shut off the straight of hormones
the entire crisis that we're currently existing in
the entire crisis that we're currently existing in is a direct cause was of
donald trump attacking
iran at the behest
of Israel. Now, another really good point that I could have made here is that there is already
an ethno-religious supremacist state that is basically becoming a theocracy that has nuclear
arms and it's been very destabilizing. I think we should be focusing on denuclearizing Israel,
rather than focusing on whether Iran should have nukes or not. That would have been a
really good one too. But the concept of nuclear sovereignty is not new, it's been in
international relations is the underpinning of the mutually assured destruction concept.
So it's not, it's not a, yeah, it's not, it's not a new concept at all. Trump has said it
already. If we're on a nuclear weapon, we'd be calling up the saying, could we get together
possibly, sir? Could we get together possibly? We'd be dealing with them much differently.
I mean, this is Donald Trump openly fucking admitting that.
Young men out there. I know these are people who supported you in 2024 and 2020.
And I think a lot of them still do, but some of them are demoralized.
Let me just I don't think they're demoralized. I think they're very proud of the fact that I'm not letting a right have a nuclear weapon
I disagree with you. You're not in favor of it, but
You should set scholars like John Gosher agree with you the Middle East with more stable today
Do you listen?
Did you just listen or did you?
Wow, that is a really good point. That's a really good talking point
it. Good thing I did do that. Are you fucking watching on mute? I literally did say that
like exactly those words. Yeah, let me write that down for next time. Subscribe to the
Parker Broadcasting Service. People's Broadcasting Service for you the people by you the people
Iran had a nuclear weapon, we'd be calling up and saying sir, could we get together possibly?
We'd be dealing with it much differently.
So if you say to all the young men out there, I know you're going to be more stable if Iran
had a nuclear weapon.
I believe yes.
I think that the Middle East would be more stable.
Having said that, once again, I'm not advocating.
I'm not trying to send Iran, enriched nuclear uranium, nuclear grade enriched uranium.
But with respect to Iran, I think the nuclear conversation is a distraction.
Time and time again, they have shown the Iranian government, regardless of whether you want
to trust them or not, you can just look at their actions, have proven that they are
utilizing the conversation of enriched uranium as a point of leverage to bring America
back to the table to get sanctions relief.
And we had a successful deal in play with the JCPOA under the Obama leadership.
It was very controversial.
It was not only critically panned by the entirety of the right, but also even Democrats, including Chuck Schumer, were very critical of this deal.
And yet it was probably Obama's signature foreign policy accomplishment.
And it unfortunately took us a decade or two decades to come to that recognition, to come to terms with that reality.
But I think that that deal alone, this multi-year, multilateral deal that actually brought in China and Russia, as well as European partners, the International Atomic Energy Agency had shown that Iran was willing to engage in diplomacy with the West.
Where is the bad answer here? Where is the fucking bad answer? The only reason why you
think that this is like a bad interview is if you just disagree with me and you just don't
want to hear something that you disagree with. And that's precisely what's happening
on the timeline. I've yet to see from anyone with the exception of the al-Qaeda
remark I've yet to hear from anyone that uh has been like yeah this was a
fucking disaster in every most people are like no I agree with what the fuck he's
saying this is a good interview there's not a bad interview at all
I don't get uh panicked I don't get flustered I don't get
angry there are many instances where he's like very directly and very
deliberately trying to to uh catch me off guard
And yet, I'm calm, I'm collected, I'm delivering my worldview to the best of my ability.
You calling it contentious was used against you.
I know because it is contentious.
The hostile interview.
There is no, the best thing you can do in a moment like this is just not give an
interview to a right-wing outlet but I am no coward and the only reason why this
is a generating headlines is because it's a conversation that's being used or the
headlines that they're trying to create out of this is being used against
Abdel El-Said, being used against Democrats. That's it. Any other
circumstance outside of the midterm cycle this interview is is reflected on
very differently.
One last thing on the Middle East and on this topic at least.
You once said that America is the top dog in terrorism.
Yes.
Do you think America then is worse than Al Qaeda?
Pound for pound as far as the number of deaths.
Yes, we've caused tremendous terror all around the world.
I think that that is not only terror.
Like I said, the best example here is to, once again, say, look, Donald Trump blew up
a school in Minnab, killing 100-plus little girls.
That's terrorism, no matter which way you cut it.
We are better than our enemies.
We're better than Al Qaeda.
We have to create an environment of accountability to ensure that we never repeat those mistakes.
There are plenty of those instances in American history, but I believe in an America that
is better than that.
I believe in an America that will genuinely fight for international stability.
The yes is the the gotcha in that moment.
He makes the comparison.
He force feeds that comparison.
And the the best possible, like, because nothing I'm saying here is incorrect.
Nothing I'm saying is incorrect.
It's just that it's, it's delivered in a way where people who might even agree
with it will look at that and go, wait a minute.
the fuck, right? That we are waging on regular civilians and nations in the periphery. But
it's also having consequences on ourselves. It's it's having dramatic consequences. Debate
lip dog debate lives on tiktok we're saying you were just running cover for Russia. Wait,
what? What the fuck was I running cover for Russia by saying Russia's actions are
heinous, immoral, unjustifiable?
Trump is talking about you?
A where?
And when?
Where is he?
Donald Trump is live to our may where the fuck is Donald Trump?
at the White House. Okay, you link it to me, man. Oh, my God, why are people saying, Donald
Trump's talking about you and they're not linking it? Why are motherfuckers?
gone way left because they've had no choice. How a Jewish person, but you're
gonna have it's gonna be pretty close, and a group of three, four, five, ten
people can steer a party in a certain direction. That's you know both parties.
Yeah now he's a guy who's very, I mean his statements are so bad. How a Jewish
person could vote for a Democrat is that's even, if you think of it, not
I don't even believe it.
What's your opinion about it?
That one person?
Mr. President, what else can you say to me?
Mr. President, reports say the whole hour of juror in the Lindsay Clancy case, and so
badly said, it's a horrible thing, kill three children, not a friendly one, in terms
of that one person.
But it's not for me, looking at a jury and the jury was hung.
Mr. President, many leading Democrats have condemned our left-wing Republican songpiper.
What is your take on him and do you think he's a liability for Democrats?
I do. I think he's a terrible liability. I think he's got a power over some of these Democrats
and he'll be voting that way. I mean, he's a communist. There's no question about it.
And the Democrats have a lot of communists and the communists can hold up the party
because it only takes a few votes.
votes in the communist women hold up half the sky that's right women hold up
half the sky but the communist women hold up around 75% of the sky that's
right power comes from the barrel of a gun folks believe it this is the one
man audience of all these fox news segments I know they got it yeah very
terrible guy very terrible communist guy he's holding up he's holding up half the
Democrat party very bad folks very bad the communists hold up the party the
party so when you have a close election well you'll have a fairly close I
They hope the Republicans are going to do well, but it's going to be pretty close.
And a group of three, four, five, 10 people can steer a party in a certain direction.
That's both parties.
Yeah, now he's a guy who is very ā I mean, his statements are so bad.
How a Jewish person could vote for a Democrat is not even ā if you think of it ā not
even believable.
And yet they will.
It's amazing.
But it is not possible in a world of rationality that somebody who's Jewish, that somebody who's
black could vote to be a Democrat, could vote for a Democrat, uh, the things that-
Yeah, I wonder why.
I wonder why they would do that.
Maybe because you're the fucking president.
Like, it's not like the Democratic Party is, is, you know, fantastic, okay?
It's not like their, their platform is great overall.
There are some great Democrats now, of course, but like, you are a big part of the reason,
my man.
The Republican Party is a big part of the reason, because American Jews, by and large, recognize
how fucking anti-Semitic the Republicans are.
As I repeat, over and over and over and over again, okay?
American Jews are Americans, okay?
American Jews are Americans.
They don't care about Israel beyond the older generation associating the existence
of Israel with anti-Semitism with a protective state that will protect Jews across the world
from anti-Semitic attacks. American Jews do not care about Israel on its own. They do care about
American issues. And the Jewish issues that they care about are anti-Semitism. That's why the
Israel anti-Semitism conversation is so unproductive. That's why the conflation is dangerous.
But that's also why the the conversation never reaches beyond that point, okay?
But you are a fucking actual out and about anti-semite
And that is precisely the reason why regardless of your allegiance or support for
uh, israel many american jews understand that you are a fucking anti-semite the party the republican party is the party of anti-semitism
He doesn't even know who you are for real. He's been given the talking points do this so mind-blowing
What's mind-blowing about this is he watches Fox News all the time if he doesn't fucking realize
If he still has no concept of who I am then god damn if the number one Fox News watcher
Boomer doesn't know who I am then that means this shit is not salient at all
You know what I mean, yeah, his heart is not in it if he really hated you who you'd find a nickname for you
Handsome Hassee.
That's what I like to call him. He looks like he's out of a newspaper.
He looks like he's out of general casting for a bad guy.
Bad guy.
That have been said about different groups of people by them are incredible and
the mainstream Democrats, I know many of them and I'm friendly with many of them, but they've gone
way left because they've had no choice not because they don't believe it they
know communism's never worked they know socialism's never worked but these
people are petrified of the radical left and he's one of them yes
Polish leaders have expressed concerns that Russia may attack Ukraine
Wow, bad guy, bad guy Hassan Piker.
A reflection, and I won.
Hold on, I got a P real quick.
I got 96, I guess NBC was 93%.
Let's run this on the home front.
I'll be back.
One clear example of this is what we did in Minna, right?
There's no distinction between blowing up a school,
triple tapping it with Tomahawk missiles.
If you're killing 140 schoolgirls,
that is an act of terror.
This doesn't mean that all Americans are terrorists,
But the reality of the matter is we
have to create an environment of accountability
to ensure things like that never happen again.
If we want to seek out and punish
those who terrorize us, like Al Qaeda,
sometimes we aid and abet Al Qaeda
when we find them to be a reliable ally in places
like Yemen, for example.
But if we understandably want to seek out and punish
terrorist entities like Al Qaeda,
we should also hold ourselves to a similar standard.
It's a higher standard.
You said not all Americans are terrorists.
No, of course not.
Well, insinuating that, some are.
I think if you are doing terrorism, then yes, you are a terrorist.
This is a loaded term at the end of the day.
It's a vague term.
And I'm not deploying it in the way
that the American State Department utilizes it, which
is a utilization of the term terrorism
with the express purpose of denying habeas corpus.
I think everyone needs to have their day in court,
no matter how vile or heinous they might seem.
Having said that, like I keep repeating over and over again,
I think it's important to create accountability,
to make sure that we do not repeat these mistakes,
not only because it creates an environment of blowback,
but also because there's a finite amount of time
and energy that we have, right?
If we're using all of our productive output,
all of our resources on waging wars overseas
profit and plunder. We're not using those resources on ourselves. We're not using it
on building schools. We're not using these resources on fixing the potholes. Something
as simple as that. And we're losing our competitive edge around the globe. By the way, another banger.
Again, watch this interview and tell me this is bad.
Is that your house? It looks like an art history teacher lives there. That's really
interesting that you said that because yes it is my house and yes and our history teacher
does live here. I'm an American citizen. She came, she's here right now. She said, I
watched the interview this morning. That was not an interview. That was a fishing expedition.
That's what she said. That you perform very well. But that was not an interview. That
was a fishing expedition.
Talk about how frustrated I am with this country. I even say, God, I hate this
country sometimes. Having said that, if I truly hated this country, one, I'd probably
be a Republican, let's be real,
because I think they're destroying this country.
Or I would just leave.
There's a reason why I stay here.
There's a reason why I keep advocating
for the things that I'm advocating for.
Because I truly believe in the promise of America.
I believe in the goodness of my neighbors.
I believe in the goodness of American citizens.
And I know that people of good conscience
can see right from wrong.
And a lot of people are frustrated
because they're not seeing the changes
and that develops, that breeds apathy.
I don't wanna fight back against that.
And I want Americans to take control over the reins once again.
Dude, this interview is so, I mean, the more I watch the more I'm like, damn, I fucking cooked.
Damn, my motherfucking cook.
Yeah.
Again, James Baldwin, I love America more than any other country in the world.
And exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.
It's so funny because like people make it seem like I'm saying like insane radical shit
And if you have even just a little bit of working knowledge of of
Historical figures half the time I'm biting their shit. Okay, half the time. I'm just outright plagiarizing their shit
You know what I mean? I mean, I'm jokingly referencing. I'm jokingly saying I'm plagiarizing but like like nothing
I'm saying is new nothing I'm saying is unique the same problems of American
Imperialism still persist
that's why it's so funny that these guys make not only a mockery of these
positions but then act surprised when they hear it all over again
I'm shifting topics on Charlie Kirk you had known him for a long time yeah after he was
killed you called it fucking devastating you know it's horrifying thing you've ever seen
and pure horror but months later you started sarcastically singing the song we are Charlie
Kirk, you sang it live last month on tour and later explained it's not my fault the song
is a banger.
Yes.
You told your followers when he was killed to stop making jokes.
Yeah.
But then why did you start?
Great question.
The hagiography of Charlie Kirk was and the forced reverence coming from not only
the Republican Party but like the government in general and even some members of the
liberal intelligentsia, was the reason why there was so much pushback.
And even the We Are Charlie Kirk song itself is a way to, it was an attempt by a Republican
who was a fan of Charlie Kirk to honor his legacy.
While Charlie Kirk, the actions that took place, the assassination of Charlie Kirk
is a heinous crime and completely unjustifiable, I very quickly also talked about my disagreements
with Charlie Kirk.
And there were plenty of people, many regular citizens who were doing that as well.
There are people that are passionate about it, it's important because this is a big part
of why this backlash or rather this is a big part of why people took this not as seriously.
The argument isn't, oh these people are elated at the fact that Charlie Kirk was killed.
Are there people who feel that way?
Absolutely.
I'm not one of those people.
Yeah, but however.
However, when you sing this song to your audience, however, you know that some
of those people are those people that are related that he's dead?
There could be.
I'm not going to deny that.
But at the end of the day, my opinion and the opinion of my community is that political
violence is completely unacceptable.
However, it's also unacceptable to try to apply force reverence and literally cancel
people for quoting Charlie Kirk's own statements.
Beast mode, I'm afraid.
Again, one, did I stutter?
Two, did I say anything wrong?
I understand that Tony Charlie Cubs almost bite me and fire in people.
I understand, but by singing the song, aren't you?
he keeps going, I understand, which is his way of saying, okay, you're making a good point.
And it's actually deflating the argument that I'm trying to present here. I'm trying to,
in the most ham-fisted way possible, say that you love that Charlie Kirk got assassinated.
There's people in your community that love that. And you're not letting me get that headline
off. And I don't like it. You always say great question when they ask the work questions,
law if I was him it it pissed me off yeah I mean I did it on purpose
what's frustrating is the fact that Alex knew where you were going with your
point I know because he's trying to interrupt me and to stop me from
finishing my point he's like you're on a track you're on a roof
you're on a great pathway here you're on a roll let's stop let's stop that
I understand
to mocking something I'm mocking Charlie Kirk's positions
And also on top of that, I'm mocking the force reverence that took place.
I'm not mocking Charlie Kirk's assassination. I'm not justifying Charlie Kirk's assassination.
I think that is unjustifiable. My position on that is very clear.
You don't think you're making-
Light of it.
No. And the reason why I say that is because I have written extensively on the subject,
not only was I supposed to- not only have I known Charlie-
Oh no, I've read all the things-
For a decade.
Yes.
But also I was supposed to be on stage with him.
I know and you've and an environment where political violence is justified against political actors is an environment where I'm also a danger
So it's it's a matter of of self-preservation as well as having a
Morally consistent position on it. Yeah, well on the top of the photo
Yeah, look at him. He's mad. He couldn't get anything. He's like, all right. Yeah
Look at look like having a morally consistent position on it. Yeah, well, all right. Well
Ah, fuck.
All right, whatever.
Ah, whatever.
All right.
Moving on.
It's just so funny that he's like,
it's been 25 minutes of this at this point,
and he's still going.
He's like, come on, come on, come on, come on.
Anything, anything, anything, anything, anything.
the worst thing he tried to read all the things you said and the answer all
them could have been clipped if it if it's good that you insisted a one by one
oh yeah no no I know I know I chopped it I chopped it down five attempts yeah this
is attempt number five at a Charlie Kirk headline bait that did not work it's
He's refreshing to listen to you talk this through and point out the times he was trying
something good exercising guided media literacy.
Yes.
This interview is literally right there.
This is my living room, well not living room, but like the dining area.
We moved the table that was there.
He's not happy at this point.
On the topic of political violence, that's part of the reason I wanted to bring up
Charlie Kirk.
I'm gonna read you some of the things that you've said.
Yeah.
After a debate with Kirk several years ago,
you said on your stream, I wanna fucking kill him.
You then backtracked and you said,
you meant it in a video game way.
I don't even remember this, can I get through them?
Yeah, go ahead.
And then respond.
You were banned on Twitch in 2025
after saying that people cared about Medicare fraud.
They would kill some to Rick Scott.
Yeah.
You want to say it?
No, I wanna clarify,
Because I just want to go through them.
I know, but if I do it piece by piece,
if I do it seven in a row, it's going
to be difficult for me to go through them one by one.
I don't recall the Charlie Kirk statement from when
did you say it was?
It was several years ago after one of your debates
at Pluticon.
OK, yeah.
I mean, I might have been frustrated,
but I wasn't advocating for violence.
And I think at the end of the day,
since then we had debated so clearly my position and I was intending to debate
him again so my position on it is not to kill political enemies it's to you know
exercise the free marketplace of ideas and have our ideas speak for
themselves if I wanted to you know I mean that's ridiculous I don't want to
assassinate Charlie Kirk I know you don't yeah so and as far as the
This is a question about rhetoric.
Yeah, Rick Scott quote is one that is
And I know you don't want to quote Rick Scott.
It's a question about the rhetoric.
The Rick Scott quote is one that I also apologize for,
but the reality of the matter is
there was no secret service conversation that took place
at all because everybody understood that I was talking
to Mike Johnson that was advocating to cut Medicare
and claiming that Medicare fraud was the reason why
they were going to cut $800 billion.
And Medicare expenditure and I said if you guys are being serious if you're principled you would I should have said capital
Look look
He says I understand I
Understand that is for him to just stop me from explaining the context
And I'm just bouldering through it I'm like now I'm gonna explain it
You would apply capital punishment to Rick Scott it has nothing to do with actually killing Rick Scott and everything to do with you
You know, exposing the hypocrisy in the Republican Party.
I understand.
It's hyperbolic.
I understand.
Certainly.
You once said of landlords who don't rent their properties, kill those motherfuckers, and murder
those motherfuckers in the street, let the streets soak in their fucking red capitalist
blood, dude.
Yeah.
That was, again, not sincere.
I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who is a landlord himself, and
we were messing around.
It wasn't a serious call to violence that again is all the way back in, I believe, 2018.
The reason why these clips are resurfacing is because there are a lot of people who want
to not present my worldview as someone who's spoken for 20,000 hours, someone who's embellishing
at times, someone who's being hyperbolic at times, someone who's deploying metaphors
at times, of course.
Over the course of 21,000 hours, there are going to be instances that you can
highlight and pinpoint and present in the most negative light possible. It's 21,000
hours. I'm engaging in oft-cuff commentary, political commentary, and oftentimes doing it
in a contentious environment where anonymous people can come in and say whatever they
want. There are always going to be moments where I'm responding to someone or even reading
out a quote that people can make, people can clip, and then present as my genuine
Sincerely held opinion. Well the clips are resurfing resurfacing, which is why I'm asking that yeah the clips are resurfacing
Because there's a there's a why do you always backtrack? Why shouldn't bad land owners ruin who ruin lies pay now with capital punishment?
Okay, dude LARP alert. Okay LARP alert band
Wee woo wee woo LARP alert
Not today FBI get the fuck out of here
Oh
We got a larper
Literally not a real talking point or or or the position of anyone at all guy comes in here is like come on guys
We all believe in this right?
dudes first day in Langley I swear to God they are not making FBI agents like
they used to thank God and in some respects they don't really even need
to because the left cooks themselves all the time yeah but I love the guy coming
in and being like hello fellow communists this is what I learned from
Hassan Hassan Abhi Piker we love punishing bad landlords with capital
punishment right right get the fuck out of here stupid yeah this is why the
FBI's in tatters that's why they're literally trying to hire people who fuck
animals dude they're in tatters that's why they're using beastiality to recruit
new agents this might have been one of the beastiality agents that did that
project because you're in you could you're influential and the Republicans
would like to make you an avatar of the broader party I totally understand
that but that's why I'm bringing up the clip you have a chance to address them
you also said that people on the left should be quote shanking these
motherfuckers and letting their fucking intestines wither on stage slice them up
yes that one is a great example of what I'm talking about but I love that I
said metaphor right like the utilization of a metaphor turns into like a
sincere moment of like advocacy for violence. And it's so funny because all of this stuff
has been deployed against Trump and it's failed. Remember when Donald Trump famously said this
about Liz Cheney? Donald Trump said, Liz Cheney is a chicken hawk, okay? And therefore,
if she was on the front lines getting shot at, she would have a very different attitude about
sending our sons and daughters to war, okay? And the media took that quote and said,
oh my God, I can't believe Donald Trump is advocating to shoot Liz Cheney.
At the time, I said the same thing that I'm saying here. That is a metaphor. That is not
Donald Trump's sincerely held, I mean that might be, right? That might literally be something
that he believes, but in that moment, he is deploying a very famous metaphor. Okay?
Saying that there is going to be a bloodbath in the auto industry doesn't literally mean
Donald Trump is going to line up the United Auto Workers and shoot them. Okay?
It just means it's going to be bad.
Yeah. Saying cutthroat is not an act of political violence. I was saying Democrats need to be cutthroat on the debate stage.
This is a metaphor. It is hyperbolic. Why are we acting as though we don't understand metaphor? This is what's so fucking annoying about mainstream media.
This is literally what is what made Donald Trump popular to begin with, because people did this all
the fucking time to him. It's dumb as fuck. The average American understands metaphor. Why is like a
like a Harvard educated Yale educated elite member of the liberal or conservative intelligentsia
making it seem like they don't understand this simple concept that a fucking stevedore has
complete grasp over. Not to say that the stevedores are dumb, of course. I'm just, you know, giving
you an example of someone who, you know, works a regular job.
And to do with like actual violence, I'm talking about debates. I'm talking about
Democrats being as vicious as Republicans on the debate stage and yet in that moment the utilization of metaphor turns into
Without the appropriate context it turns into a call to violence. He's being so violent
Again, I don't think that you are intending to do violence
But you have any concerns that you are inciting violence. No, I do not because not only
Out of the the three or four choice codes that you brought up
there are thousands upon thousands of hours of me talking against political
violence and consistently saying that the appropriate way to deal with
political problems even violent ones is to advocate organize and and create a
response that is born out of labor militancy work stoppages and the like
to apply political pressure that way. To put a fine point on it do you think
political violence is ever justified?
No, I don't.
Has dead.
I was thinking about what would be considered political violence,
or what wouldn't be?
I think that, for example, people
have a right to resist militarily.
This is under international law.
I was thinking is that considered political violence,
no, occupied people have a right, illegally recognized
right to resist militarily against their colonial
occupants.
But that's not political violence.
Lester, you were talking to the Canadian Hassan daily show and you said while you, you know,
condemned by...
Yeah, the you hesitated moment, by the way.
You hesitated moment, by the way, is showcasing the full intent behind why he is engaging
in this exercise.
He doesn't get the answer that he's looking for.
He knows he's not going to get the answer he's looking for.
So he still tries to make something out of it.
And it basically shows, it basically shows what his intent is.
This is not a real back and forth moment of discourse, it's not real conversation between
interlocutors.
This is an opportunity to just look for any gotcha that he can, and because he's not
getting the gotchas that he is looking to farm, he's now basically psychoanalyzing my
body language.
he's like he's he's uh trying to turn this into an interrogation. It's a debate disguised as an
interview but it's not even a debate at all because the debate has back and forth. I know
that given the format if I start interrogating or examining his worldview right he's going to say
well I'm the interviewer here the people want to know about your positions they don't care about
mine and it's going to look like I'm being um you know evasive. So the the format itself
is so perfectly designed for me to to be interrogated and you know play that role for the best of my
ability which i did i've literally never seen a journalist say you hesitated to prove anything
no i don't hesitated i was thinking like i didn't even fucking hesitate by the way i said no i don't
Like, that is, in my opinion, a little bit of journalistic malpractice that showcases
how excited he was to, like, have a gotcha that he literally says, you hesitated.
Like it's no longer my responses, it's the timeliness, it's the timeframe in which
I deliver the responses that is insufficient for him. He's like, Oh, well, you blanked.
You're not fast enough. You, you took a sip of, of water. You wanted to get a response
like Peter Thiel. I know, but it doesn't work because I'm not a fucking lizard person. And
I didn't actually hesitate at all, but once again, once again, that Ross Douthit moment
with Peter Thiel only works because Peter Thiel did hesitate.
Also Peter Thiel is a god damn lizard person.
And then, someone said, well, you acknowledged that you hesitated, yeah, because if I don't
go along with what he's saying in that moment, again, this is cap, you're captive in that
moment, right?
When you say yes, when you sit down with a journalist, you have to play by a certain
set of rules that are unfair, okay?
It is what it is, because if I were to say, no, I didn't hesitate, then the conversation
turns into an unproductive one where we're having back-and-forth discourse on my fucking
body language. Okay? You don't want to get trapped in a meta argument about your own
body language because it makes you look evasive, it makes you look far more defensive than
you actually would be. So in many instances, the appropriate way to take that conversation
within this format is to yes and it, which is exactly what I do there.
I say, yes, it's because I was wanting to do it.
It's because I wanted to deliver a thoughtful response.
And I was thinking about the distinction between political violence and state violence.
Right.
People take notice of it if you lash back exactly.
I don't think you said if I I don't think if you said I don't think I
hesitated, it would have been a problem.
It doesn't matter.
People think that I am
People think that I'm not like who did you learn media training from dog?
This is all I do all I do is hours upon hours upon hours of of commentary on
Media this is my job
This is primarily what I do so I'm very familiar with the ways that that these sorts of debates
Take place. I'm very familiar with the audience reception
It's always in the back of my mind when I'm delivering answers to these fucking questions
Okay
It's also your degree now, I mean it is but it doesn't really matter it's irrelevant
You know to I was thinking about like what would be considered political violence or what wouldn't be
I think that for example people have a right to resist militarily
this is under international law. I was thinking, is that like considered political violence?
No, occupied people have a right, a legally recognized right to resist militarily against
their colonial occupants, but that's not political violence.
Last year, you were talking to the Canadian Hassan Daily Show.
Yeah.
And you said, while you, you know, condemn violence, you said, but also violence is
a functional part of politics. Violence who gets to do violence and who is the
Recipient of politics is a violence is a big part of politics. Yeah, so is violence just inevitable? I think violence is
Constant I think violence is happening political what that means no no no what that means is structural violence. Okay, what I'm talking about there is
The the structural violence of poverty for example the fact that you know people are are
homeless and and
Forced to fall under that night six hundred thousand other than the wealthiest nation on the planet
I just wanted to their experience their experience is one of violence a constant state of violence born out of structural inequalities
Yeah, there's three different types of yeah, look look dude if you understand why are you asking?
Why are you asking the question? He keeps saying I understand I understand, uh, please stop explaining
I didn't get the answer. I wanted stop explaining stop explaining. I didn't get the answer. I wanted
It's so funny because it's like well, why did you ask me the question then? You know
Why did you ask me the question if you don't want the answer? I'm sorry that the answer is not as as
Alarming or as a headline baiting or as click baity as you wanted it to be sir
It seems like he even thought it would be a little edited lamel
Don't you know he has your responses somehow pre memorized you idiot
And it's like well, are we having a back-and-forth conversation you and I are are you here to to
try to figure out what my worldview is and then showcase that to your audience.
And of course, the I understands, and we should probably do an edit of like the I
understand counter because every single time I elaborate every single time I
offer context to something that he wants to slam into the conversation, he
goes, I understand. And that's his like, please move on. I don't want you to
explain your position. That shows his intent. His intent here is not to have a productive
conversation. His intent is not to have me elaborate on my point of view or respond in
a nuanced manner, offer context. His goal here is to, throughout 55 minutes, try to
get a sound bite. One, maybe two, I think he came in thinking he was going to get 15
bites and the only one he got was the the al Qaeda one that they really slammed in and
unfortunately couldn't get anything else.
Every time he says, I understand what he's saying is I don't want my audience to understand.
Please stop talking.
I understand.
I just wanted to clarify it.
You repeatedly said that Israel is a Nazi country.
Yeah.
Do you believe that violence against Israelis is justified?
No.
It's it the the the dynamic there is fairly clear. It's set by the it's set by international law
It's not my opinion, but if they're not the violent violence against them be justified. I
Think that there's a difference between regular civilian society even in a Nazi society and and the actual perpetrators of the Holocaust
okay, and
People got people were mad at my response to this too
And I think they fundamentally misunderstand my worldview on this and I keep delivering it over and over again, right?
There are the perpetrators of the Holocaust and there are those who look the way those who look the way
Exist with the deep guilt and the shame, okay
But those who are looking away at that moment can potentially turn on the perpetrators
That's the mentality. That's the attitude, okay?
This is precisely the reason why I don't shy away from trying to speak to members of Israeli society broadly as well
This is why I've interviewed people from Mezar Vot. This is why I've interviewed
You know, Dr. Ofer Kassif who's in who is in the Knesset himself. There are a
Small number of anti Zionist Jews that are in Israel. Okay, and I am not going to shy away
away from talking to them. Because there are conscientious objectors. There is supposed
to be internal pressure. Yuval Abraham has demonstrated the importance of internal pressure.
Okay? Naza, the documentary, the investigative piece that came out for The Guardian, is
a perfect representation of this theory of change. And there's a different school
of thought here. There are some people in the anti-zionist movement broadly who
will say, no, this is fucking bullshit. You're engaging in normalizing people like you all,
Abraham, have a tremendous, tremendous opportunities in a supremacist society. They're not taking
advantage of that. They're not using it in the way that I want that I would want them
to. I don't care. My mentality on this is different. I believe it's important to have
allies. I believe it's very important to make sure that I believe very important
make sure that guys like Yuval Abraham are also highlighted as well. They're not the entirety
of the movement, but as long as they are not unhelpful, as long as they recognize the occupation,
recognize the apartheid, want it to end, and they're comfortable with a one-state solution,
they're comfortable with a peaceable resolution, a permanent resolution to this ongoing atrocity,
then I am not going to treat them as enemies. I will of course treat them as allies and that is precisely the reason why the Israeli society broadly and the Israeli government right now are entertaining the notion of revoking their Israeli citizenship.
Okay
In the same vein you said any kind of fucking Zionist tendency should be treated in the same way as
Being a fucking rabid neo-nazi. Yes, I do. I believe Zionism is fascism
However, I live in the United States of America, so I have to do another I
understand deal with a lot of people who I personally think exhibit the qualities
of fascists and yet we sometimes still organize with these people and and I
still want what's you know best for even the American fascists as far as you know
offering them health care. This is a consistent position that I have it comes
across as very strange and people don't understand it but yes I think
that the goal in a country like the United States or a country like Israel is to move
people away from these far-right tendencies. It's not to fight them, it's not to kill them,
it's to try to get them to no longer believe these things. And it has been successful even
in the...
Does he understand because I feel like he doesn't understand I feel like he doesn't want to understand and I feel like he's upset that the audience might understand
Your stubbornness really carried you here. Yeah, of course. I'm not gonna fucking give up
This is a this is a very very important conversation. That's the reason why I'm saying yes to talking to a right-wing outlet
like Axios. That's the fucking whole point. That's why I'm talking to them. I'm not
talking to them so we can get as gotchas and fuck off. I'm talking to them because
there are people in their audience that should hear this perspective. Okay. Every
time he says, I understand you should treat it as you come across as reasonable
and I don't like it because that's exactly what's going on. That's why
it's so funny that motherfuckers literally on the timeline are still
leaning in the choice quotes to make it seem like this interview was a disaster.
Brother, this interview was a disaster. If your goal was to rip me apart, to turn
me into this like dangerous radical, then yes, if that was your goal, this
interview is a disaster for you. It didn't work, okay? It did not work at all.
It did not work at all.
America is a country that is foundationally white supremacist,
a country that was founded by a group of men who were extraordinary,
but also at the same time, some of them were slavers.
And yet, this country, through the Civil War, through the abolition of slavery, and through the Civil War struggle, has become one where it is the most diverse country on the planet.
Now, are there still issues? Are there still racial issues? Of course there are. Having said that, we are in a far better predicament than we would have been in 1776. That is the goal.
I just want to be clear that you aren't worried that maybe one of your listeners would hear you saying every Zionist is a neo-Nazi and discriminate against Zionists, maybe even be violent against Zionists. You're not worried at all.
I'm not worried that they're going to be violent against Zionists. No, I'm not.
There are a lot of Zionists in America. You don't think that rhetoric could incite people?
There are a lot of Zionists in America. You're right.
and I think that
now this part is really good hold on
I didn't say people there are a lot of Zionists in America you're right and I
think that their consistent advocacy and support for the state of Israel is not
only unbelievably violent but it's a justification for genocide of Palestinians
I understand but you're calling them neo not all this yeah if you've done a
genocide look if you've done a genocide and you defend the genocide that's taking place and
If you want to continue offering material support to the country that's doing genocide then you're pro-genocide
You think that I think what's happening? You think of what happened at what's happening?
Yeah, there are a lot of scientists in America you're right they're violent it's a consistent
And it is a consistent fact of our existence, unfortunately, that the violent rhetoric coming
from the pro-Israel side is never questioned as violence.
Alright, let's continue.
And then Gaza is as bad as the Holocaust.
It's not to the same degree, of course, not the same severity, but it doesn't have to be
for it to be considered a genocide.
A genocide is the term.
A genocide is determined by intent, and also, you're the one that uses the term.
Oh my God!
Oh my God!
I understand!
I understand!
I understand!
I understand!
Do you?
Do you understand?
From Nazi.
That's why I'm asking about the comparison.
using the word Nazi invokes that it is on that level the entire point of of
Holocaust scholarship is to understand not only the banality of evil but also to understand how
Regular civilized society could get to a point where such heinous acts of violence could take place against people, right?
Yeah, dude
This interview is a fucking wall-to-wall banger. I
I forgot how hard I cooked in this shit brother. Oh my god
It's kind of it is so crazy
Go ahead. Tell me this interview. He's not a wall-to-wall
banger
All things considered
All things considered
unbelievably hostile
But I was cheffing it up
He really doesn't want you to toggle him out. God damn, dude.
It's, it's, we are supposed to use the example of the Nazis to stop people from behaving like
Nazis.
I understand.
That is precisely the reason why I'm not precious about deploying this term, especially
when it comes to talking about what Israel is doing.
And you've, and you've talked about this, you've condemned anti-Semitism. You've
Also, you've also acknowledged their anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic acts are on the rise, but
you don't worry that some of these terms could be inciting.
No.
Yeah, it's like saying, dude, you know what this reminds me of?
And I should have said this at the time.
This is like when Trump will engage in the same kind of racialized propaganda that
Nazis engaged in and then get mad when people call him a fucking Nazi and go hold on hold on
that's an incitement to violence it's like is it I think it's an incitement to violence when Trump
says Asians are eating cats and dogs I think it's an incitement to violence when Trump is
channeling Adolf Hitler in his fucking speeches the quickest way to not be called a Nazi is to
do stop behaving like one. Anyway, let's continue.
I want to pivot to China. You visited China last year. You said you consider it the closest
example of what you think the U.S. should follow. You labeled your visit China-maxing.
If a child is born today, do you think they are in a better position in China or the
U.S.?
It depends because the American trajectory is downward and China on the other hand is
rapidly improving its material conditions for a broad basis of Chinese society.
So it entirely depends on where a Chinese baby is born versus where an American baby
is born.
But on average?
If an American baby is born in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods of the country,
of course, on average, in a far better position, I think trajectory-wise I worry
that a Chinese child might have better conditions in the next decade or next two decades than
an American one. And I think he didn't like, I understand
his incoming. I understand his incoming because I say I worry, right? Because if I were like,
again, notice how he's not there to have a conversation at all. He just wants a clip
so bad and I'm not giving it to him at all. I'm like, yeah, dude, I'm an American.
Of course I care about American shit. I want America to be better. That's why I'm
saying we can use the Chinese example. The problem is we are using the Chinese
example but for all the bad shit like mass surveillance backed by AI supercharged by AI
and not any of the good shit like high-speed rail rapid urbanization even development you know
control over the flows of capital punishing bad business owners these are the things that we
should be doing in america that should worry every american citizen not worry them from a
xenophobic perspective mind you yeah i even fucking immediately follow that up with i'm not
being xenophobic i'm just saying i'm an american and i care about this goddamn country i love
I love this God fucking, this country is my country.
I love it.
I want it.
I want it to be good.
That's why I'm fighting for it.
Do you understand?
But it should be an alarming thing that we recognize
and seek to address.
And I think the solutions to trying to solve this crisis
is not by consistently waging wars overseas,
but instead trying to rapidly develop parts
of the country that have been left behind.
The heartland where industry ironically enough pulled out and our capital owners went to China
instead and went to other low-cost markets instead, low-cost labor markets instead.
We need to rebuild our industrial base in this country and we need to rebuild this
country and we have enough wealth in this country to be able to do that.
We have enough people in this country to be able to do that.
It's all a matter of not only perspective, but willingness.
And unfortunately, because of our corporate elites and their endless appetite for profit
maxing, we are incapable of rebuilding this country and make it the prosperous nation
that I know it could be.
If China offered you citizenship, would you take it?
No.
Why?
If it's more, I mean, you said it, you know, it's a model of where we should go.
So that's actually, well, because I'm an American, I'm an American citizen and I
love this country.
Do you agree with us?
I'm a bin Laden.
Would you live in China if they offered you a citizenship?
It's like, what kind of a strange question is this?
Hey, my man, I'm a goddamn red-blooded American.
What the fuck are you saying?
It's so funny.
It's like, dude, this is the insanity of this interview that people were thinking was going
to be cooked, you know what I mean?
I'm not interested in leaving this country and going and living somewhere else.
I'm also a very stubborn person.
There's plenty of people who want to kill me in this country.
They say it all the time.
And there's plenty of people who oppose my worldview, but I still want to do my very
best to make these necessary changes because I know it will improve their lives and I know
it will unlock tremendous prosperity because we have tremendous promise.
The Chinese quote from, it's one of the podcasts that I was on often gets misunderstood as
well.
Something that I clarify all the time is we currently do actually follow a lot of
the Chinese model.
We just follow the worst elements of it.
I don't want-
You said yes, I don't want mass repression state repression mass surveillance
Backed by AI to take root here in this country. That's why I oppose ice activities
That's why I oppose
Attempts to undermine the First Amendment. I love the First Amendment. I love free expression. I want to defend it and
Unfortunately, we're taking some of the worst qualities that currently exist in China and maybe it works for them
Maybe it doesn't I can't say
But what I can tell you is I don't like it and I don't want it to be in America.
I want...
So what's the one thing that China you do really like?
Control over flows of capital by the state.
Yeah, control over, yes.
Control over flows of capital by the state that will still be democratically organized.
Because that's not exactly...
Democratically organized.
Not how it works exactly in the Chinese state.
There are Marx, Leninist party.
It's a...
Yeah, there's not mass elections.
Yeah, yeah, no.
I'm saying that but we do have mass elections in this country and the issue is if you were to ask the average American citizen like
Do you think we should wage endless wars?
overseas or
instead
Use a lot of that a lot of that productive resource
Back here to rebuild an industrial base. I know Americans would democratically vote for that
You know why because they voted for Donald Trump and that's precisely what he promised
The issue didn't actually abide by that promise. He said
Right-wing outlet glazing Trump's campaign
Acumen and flipping America first back on his motherfucking head. Oh
Do you understand do you understand me Alec Thompson? Do you understand that? Oh
My god
The chef is in!
Oh my God, everyone on Twitter could suck my left nut and I'll save the right one for
some of the most heinous haters.
Oh my God, this interview, the way they're talking about this interview on Twitter,
on the Twitter timeline, you would think like, I'm like, oh my God, I'm so sorry,
I'm so sorry that I did this interview ever took place.
I apologize.
It's like, dude, what are you talking about?
It's 56 minutes of wall to wall bangers.
OK.
Oh, oh.
Control of cat.
Besides control of capital by the state, what's the one thing about China?
Rapid industrialization, rapid growth, a robust network of high speed rail.
These are things that I care about. These are things that I think would greatly improve
The lives of Americans. There's also a very meritocratic approach. There's also a very like performance based meritocratic approach
That's very interesting in the Chinese governments where they will put provinces like pit provinces against one another and to test out different systems internally
It's fascinating and I think we could abide by some element of that as well
It's it's an inherently very competitive system. You know, we have a little bit of that within the United States
with different states having different systems?
Yes and no, I think by and large we don't attempt these really unique projects and more
importantly we don't nationalize ones that are actually successful. Tennessee Valley Authority
comes to mind right? Chattanooga is a really oh my god this example I forgot I gave this
example so fucking good oh my god sorry I'm glazing myself but...
But it has the best broadband in the country and it's controlled as a public utility.
There's something so funny about people being like, wow, Hasan, you're a fucking Maoist because
you want high-speed rail.
It's like there is no greater example of how fucking cocked you are, okay?
You have been mind-fucked, okay?
The wealthy elites have literally wrapped you around their fucking fingers where you're
... I'm over here being like, we should improve American material conditions for every single
American.
We have the wealth, we have the resources.
We just don't do it because it's not profitable for the super profits of the wealthy elite
that control society that dominate our day-to-day existence.
there is always a peasant brain motherfucker in the chat that goes no you
want what's best for the enemy because you say the enemy has attempted this
thing that would improve my life as well me lordships profits come fast and
foremost you are fucking dumb dude you're dumb you're dumb you're so fucking
dumb. Even an animal understands self-preservation and you, my friend, as a social animal, as
an animal who's supposed to have consciousness, cannot even demonstrate self-preservation.
Oh my God, how is that possible?
This was an incredible attempt, it was an incredible project, it worked, it was very
successful and then very quickly Google and all these other major ISPs immediately started
lobbying the government to make it illegal in other states.
That is a huge problem.
That is capital dominating the state.
I want the state to dominate capital.
I understand. When you were on...
Yeah.
Tie it right back.
Tie it right back to how fucking lobbying
subverts the interests of the people.
Lobbying
is what
is how capital expresses
its profit-seeking interest upon
the supposedly democratically elected,
democratically organized, liberal, capitalist,
theoretical democracy.
You understand I don't think you understand Alex Thompson. I don't think you understand, but guess what?
I'm willing to bet that any motherfucker that watched this interview is understanding. They are running around like lethal shooter
Acolytes go and I understand it now. I understand it now
Go ahead go ahead
Talk about this conversation as though it is unproductive and bad
your trip in China you were excited to get your own little red book yeah you
also said afterward that I never would and never will criticize Mao Zedong he
is one of the great leaders of this world yeah you know even by night and I did
also immediately follow that up with a criticism because that was I was being
insincere when talking about how I got detained at Tiananmen Square briefly
when I was there and it was like a 20-second interaction with the
Chinese cop who saw a white guy at Tiananmen Square,
this is an area of great reverence.
And I think he thought that I was there with a camera
to make fun of Mao Zedong.
And they were very serious about that.
And I jokingly told my audience.
I was like, I'll never make fun of Mao Zedong.
He's a great man of history.
Of course, there were a lot of excesses.
And what do you mean by excesses?
Deaths.
They were born out of mismanagement and famine.
It was a huge crisis.
Yeah.
Even by the most conservative industrialization.
Yes.
even by the most conservative cement team.
I believe it's like 10 million, yes.
It's the most, one of the more conservative.
Yes, yes, it's horrifying.
Well, do you believe, it sounds like given,
Do I believe that it was intentional now?
I don't believe that it was intentional.
I would say most, a lot of times,
they are not intentional,
but do you think overall, given where China is now,
it sort of sounds like you think
the deaths were worth it in the end?
I can't speak for that.
Um, I think Chinese people feel that way though, they, they are, they, they see it as, uh, uh,
they see it as growing pains almost.
Um, I don't, I think it's, it's crazy.
I think it's, it's a lot of, of, uh, unnecessary access to place, but it is a remarkable achievement
to lift 800 million people out of, of extreme poverty.
I think. Again, another another. Let me put words in your mouth. This is what you mean.
I'm like, no, that's not what I mean. That's not what I mean. It's so funny, dude. It is
so funny. He's just like, come on. Don't you love Mao Zedong? Say you love the cultural revolution.
Why the fuck would I say that? Why? Why would I say that? Why would I say,
I love the fucking Pescampan. We should liquidate the fucking sparrows. Why would I say that?
It's dumb. I don't believe that. Okay, if we're gonna have a serious, if you're gonna,
if you're going to, to, I don't know, take something that I made a joke about.
Okay
If you if you're going to if you're gonna like take something that I said out of context is one thing
You're making the points first before he could have so funny he was thrown by that exchange
Yeah, I know what he's gonna ask me so I'm fucking hitting it over and over again that
It's not about the state repression. It's not about, you know, the the the pest campaign
and the liquidation of the sparrows.
I don't think we should be applying that year
in the United States of America.
And it's not even the failures of collectivization
or failures of rapid industrialization
in the countryside, which led to a lot of these problems
and the mismanagement that took place that I'm pointing to.
I'm pointing to the instances or the attempts
that have been able to eradicate famine.
There's also a massive renewable energy push.
and the Chinese government.
I think instead of looking at that
and then moving full blown into the realm of fossil fuels
and redoubling our efforts in supporting
the oil and gas industry,
we should have for a very long time
been focusing on renewable energy
to make sure that we built an industrial base here
in the United States of America
for not only solar panels but for batteries
and focus on building battery technology.
I think it's crazy that China, I mean, it's impressive,
but it's also wild that China, a country that was living
in abject poverty, a developing nation, not that long ago,
has been able to defeat us in so many different key sectors.
Does that not spell doom for American prosperity?
Well, your assessment, just to be clear,
do you consider Mao a great leader?
When I say Mao's a great leader,
I mean, he's a great man of history.
Okay, yeah.
Do you admire them?
I think that there are things that Mao Zedong did
that were unbelievably impressive,
being able to activate the peasant society
that was living under horrifying conditions,
like being slaughtered, being murdered,
living under surf-like conditions,
and giving them collective ownership
over their own means of production,
allowing them to control their own destiny
to a certain degree,
being able to overcome the Japanese occupation
and the nationalist forces in the aftermath of that,
these are, I mean, he was a very impressive military leader,
absolutely.
Having said that, of course,
the Cultural Revolution was an abject disaster.
I mean, it was a completely disastrous policy.
The industrialization policies led to,
I should have, dude, in order,
I was thinking about this,
I feel like there's a way
to get conservatives on board with,
With looking at the cultural evolution and just like blaming Mao's wife for it. You know what I mean?
You know gang of four Mao's wife, you know how women are am I right and they could serve as a really like wait a minute
I'm imagining a world where I'm
How pecking my Hank pecker character, but for like the right wing reactionary Chinese and it's like
That's right
Mao Zedong's wife was entirely responsible for the cultural revolution.
Okay, she's the one that got them activated, got them red guards activated.
Zhang Qing, it was the women that got involved in the realm of politics.
That's why you got to keep them women's way
Mouset dong was a great leader if only he had not allowed his wife
Hollywood celebrity mind you okay famously
Hollywood style celebrity mind you
Came in and ruined the great ordeal turned it into a big problem. You know what that's right
It's the goddamn liberal elite women from Hollywood
The great leap forward in the industrialization policy industrialization policy has also led to
Horrifying numbers of excess casualties excess deaths. Yes, I understand. I think so the argument is
My mega parents actually saw the scenery texted me about it
My dad still hates you and thinks you're a communist or whatever
But my mom thought you made a lot of good points
told me she was inspired by her perspective to head down to the local park with a huge bag of
unsalted peanuts. Fuck you! And some hardball days to give the local crows. Had a great... Okay,
dude, we're doing a pest campaign just against the crows now, okay? Your criticism of China are
going to get you banned there? No, they're not. The fuck are you talking about? Literally,
everything I said is also... Nothing I said is wrong. It's historically accurate. And
Not only is it correct, well, with the exception of the Xinjiang stuff, I think the Xinjiang stuff
is something that the Chinese government gets mad about. But this stuff is an admission by the
Chinese government as well. To be fair, they change it sometimes. It is currently the party
consensus, but sometimes in periods of what the Chinese government would consider instability,
They'll tweak the dials a little bit and they'll be like,
whoa, whoa, whoa, we are no longer saying these things.
We're no longer teaching these things.
But yes, this is what a lot of the Maoists are going to get mad at.
And they're going to say, oh, you're a dingus.
You're a dingus.
You're a dingus.
It's just, it doesn't matter what you call me.
It's just the fucking truth.
This is like to say that the cultural revolution was good
would be an insane thing to say.
To say that the industrialization, rapid industrialization,
and did not lead to unprecedented chaos and famines would be wrong, okay?
It's just, you know, I'm not going to fucking say wrong things just because it offends people's
sensibilities.
If those things had not happened, I think we would look at Mao Zedong as probably
uh... one of the most impressive historical forces but those things that
happen nevertheless
uh... you've often cited
and the senior national when talking about israel and gaza
as one of
read you what nancy international has said about chinese treatment of we're
muslims
i'm very familiar i've but i guess i'm just gonna read it yet
crimes against humanity he's like don't agree with me i i need to make it
seem like this is uh...
new information that you are horrified by
and are unable to address.
Yeah, hundreds of thousands of Muslim minority men and women
subjected to mass interment and torture,
often interrogated in tiger chairs,
steel chairs with a fixed leg irons and handcuffs
that restrain the body in painful positions, beatings,
sleep deprivation, and overcrowding
or rampant in police stations,
Some reported being restrained into a tiger share for 24 hours or more.
Why do you still praise China despite these reports?
Because once again, I'm not praising the totality of the Chinese government.
Just like the state repression is something that I oppose, I've extensively talked about
the dragon and operations that took place in Xinjiang.
I've extensively talked about the reeducation camps and how unacceptable that is.
I do not think that those are what comprise the entirety of Chinese form of governance.
What I'm talking about simply is on the economic side.
I'm fairly certain that we could achieve certain elements of Chinese governance, whether
it be control over capital, whether it be rapid industrialization, and even urbanization
as well without having to engage in mass repression.
Now, having said that, I talked to you about how I love America, how I'm an
American citizen.
I mean, I love America, regardless of the struggles that we have here as well.
I mean, we have slave labor in our prison system still to this day, protected by the Constitution.
Are you equating that to what China is doing to the Uighur Muslims?
No, I'm not equating that. I'm just saying that's also an abject cruelty that takes place,
that we turn a blind eye to or outright support. I don't support it.
I wish that we had a prison system that was more focused on rehabilitation.
But I know you talk about the totality of America.
I know you've talked about Uighur Muslims, but it seems that you do not talk about it nearly as much as you talk about China's successes.
Well, let me tell you, let me tell it to you like this.
It's like that.
Yeah, that's bad.
But when I bring up, yeah, great, great question.
When I bring up the United States of America and the tremendous promise that we have, you didn't immediately stop me and go,
hey, hold on, we have the highest prisoner per capita on the entire planet.
And they ask that, even includes China.
Don't you feel like you're being a little too kind to America?
Of course, you don't make that same calculation for the United States of America.
This is a morally consistent position.
I think countries have unique and interesting forms of governance that we can learn important
lessons from.
Here, I'll give you an example from Israel, for example.
The reason why I'm bringing this up is because, of course, I'm very critical of Israel broadly
because I think their output currently and historically has built on the backs of ethnic cleansing and ethnic displacement of the indigenous inhabitants, the Palestinians.
But there are also impressive elements of not only Israeli governance necessarily, but there is something to be said about the fact that Hebrew as a language was revitalized almost overnight in a matter of a very short period of time.
I think there is something very impressive about that as well
This is something that I've talked about but that doesn't mean that I'm in support of what Israel is doing in support of the Israeli
government or in support of the Israeli genocide, but you talk a lot more
Yes, to me as someone that's listened. No, they suppress you just for this. I know but it is still on its own
Very impressive to take like a religious language and turn it into a a commonly used language
It's impressive linguistically. Okay
I know that it was also designed as a nationalist project and it also reduced the elements of
long-standing Jewish culture and history, but the achievement stands alone if they hadn't
done the other thing about Yiddish.
It would be impressive in and of itself if it hadn't happened as another byproduct
of Israeli nationalism, as a really Israeli nationalist project, then it would still
be impressive. It's not you here in Erezi Yiddish, Ladino and other languages with cultural genocide.
I think that cohesion of creating a or revitalizing a language to create some semblance of cohesion
is impressive. Okay, the revival of Hebrew is one of the most impressive linguistic
feats in history that doesn't make Israeli nationalism good is just calling balls and
strikes exactly. Exactly. I'm not making a moral judgment or what necessitated the revitalization
of Hebrew. I'm just simply talking about it as a standalone impressive linguistic fact.
But many of you don't understand it. Okay. Another example I could have used is the
fact that Israel has, you know, tremendous social safety nets for Israeli society broadly.
That's another thing, right? I'm using that as an example in a vacuum, okay?
So I talk a lot more about Israel in America because I'm an American citizen. I'm not Chinese is well
No, but but as soon as you care a lot more about how Israel treats Muslims than how China treats Muslims
Yeah, because Israel is murdering not just Muslims, but Christians as well with my tax dollars
Why does he think this is a good argument?
It's so funny. He's like, why do you care about shit that you're doing, shit that
you're our government is doing more than this other government that would make me feel a lot
better about myself and about what we're doing here. The greatest counter to this,
and I wish I really deployed it because I've said it so many times in the past and I
didn't think about it on the spot is, if, look, I've criticized Xinjiang, having said that,
if Benjamin Netanyahu, going forward from this day on, decided to not do a genocide,
but instead of doing a genocide post October 7, applied the things that Xi Jinping had done
in Xinjiang to the Palestinians and Gaza, you would be sitting across from me talking about
how Benjamin Netanyahu is the most impressive, most peaceful world leader that is deserving
of a Nobel Peace Prize. And the entire Western world would collectively say that as well.
Okay, it's just true. There are different severities to different crises. Okay.
Okay?
Like Xi Jinping did not do to Xinjiang what Benjamin Netanyahu did to Gaza.
It's ridiculous.
It doesn't mean what he did was good.
You as an American can currently go to Xinjiang.
You can visit Xinjiang right now.
You cannot go to Gaza.
One must ask the question, why?
Okay. Yeah, he literally asked if everyone is mean to Muslims who cares who's the meanest.
He thought it was a good question because he called Sam Harris for talking points.
And that I think is unacceptable. It's the same principle behind America's global war
on terror that is an abject failure that I oppose as well that many Americans also
opposed as a matter of fact just so you wouldn't be talking about it if you if
Israel wasn't an ally yeah I would not be I would not be as as frustrated with
the actions of course I would still talk about it because it's a genocide and
there are and I believe Amnesty International considers what China has
done to the we were Muslims to be a cultural genocide if I'm not mistaken
And these are these are I do I do agree with that there are there are different
There are different terms applied for for different actions. I like it's such a it's such a crazy thing
for an American who is openly defending Israel's genocide to turn around and say
China's
internal
domestic war on terror is
Is actually the peak of immorality as opposed to America or Israel's global war on terror
Okay, like what are we talking about?
What are we fucking talking about like I criticize both you literally defend one and only want to criticize the other
It's so fucking crazy
It feels like it feels like i'm i'm taking crazy pills on a fucking daily basis, dude
I'm not I'm not a China dickwriter in the way that people think I am I talk about this shit all the time China went insane mode
Okay, they went above and beyond they did drag nets they were litany of
Human rights abuses in the way that they dealt with the Uyghur separatist movement. Okay, that's it
It's true. You can talk about how like all well these guys were radical terrorists that were getting trained by the CIA
You could talk about
Etim and the bombing campaigns took place in the Chinese mainland
Okay, you can say all of that, but it still doesn't justify the aggressive nature of, of how the, the Chinese government struck back. Okay.
I don't know what the most appropriate or the most humanitarian approach is, but I do know that the Chinese approach was excessive. Okay.
It was crazy.
Having said that, it's, of course, it pales in comparison to what America did in Afghanistan,
Iraq, what America is doing in Iran, what Israel has done in Gaza.
But it doesn't matter. It's still unacceptable. Okay?
That's it. I'm not in the business of fucking, you know, defending,
not in the business of defending Chinese anti-terror initiatives.
It's bad to act who s to your enemies framing also a song capitulate to your enemies framing
This is genuinely not correct. She's fucking crashes. Say you don't know people in China bro. Yes, you're right, dude
Yes, you're right. Drag Nat mass surveillance and and re-education did not happen in in Xinjiang really come on
I mean we can we can recognize that these are galaxies apart. Okay
But there's a difference between just saying that it nothing happened at all and it was all fucking peaches and roses
And it was awesome and and and having a nuanced perspective
Okay
There's no reason it's like when people get mad at me when I talk about like Chinese foreign policy
China is still the second-largest traded partner to Israel China has tremendous power on the global stage
They could do more but again
It rings hollow as an American to constantly harp on this which is why I don't you want to know why?
Because we're the number one trading partner for Israel. We are the reason why Israel has tremendous
Social and political protections that Israel can behave in impunity. It's not China. That's allowing Israel to do that
China is just a trade maxer. I don't give a fuck
Okay
So it's ridiculous for me as an American to constantly sit here and just be like wow
I can't believe you know China's doing this China's doing that I can't believe China's still trading with Israel
Yeah, I mean it's immoral. It's wrong and they shouldn't do that
Okay, it shouldn't do that.
But it's ridiculous to constantly harp on it.
It's a way to try to make us, to try to make Americans feel better about American shit.
Okay, the severity between Shin-chan and Gaza is similar.
I just want to learn on God.
Wait, what? They're not even in the same fucking ecosystem.
They're not even in the same stratosphere.
what what I just explained to you you can literally go and visit Xinjiang right
now you can't go to Gaza okay China did not do aerial bombardment campaigns over
fucking Xinjiang
thing what Israel is doing is an outright genocide yes but you think China's
perpetuating a click on a side here I'll give you another example like Russia
Russia's actions are utterly unjustifiable in Ukraine it's an
illegal invasion. It has been monstrous, horrifying. It's had negative consequences for Russia, of
course, and first and foremost, tremendous negative consequences for regular Ukrainian
society, right? Having said that, it's a different standard between a different weight
in the immorality of these actions as opposed to what Israel is doing in Gaza.
Yes, and also the 75 years of apartheid and occupation, now 80.
It just seems there's like a different level of outrage when it comes to Israeli violence versus Chinese violence.
I think it's, I think there's a sufficient amount of outrage, not just coming from myself, but also from American society broadly.
But you wouldn't go to Israel and post about Israel maxing.
Yes, of course not. I would not.
Why?
Because I think that Israel's totality, its entire output, its entire existence is still
built on the principles of ethnic cleansing and never truly addressing the inhumanity
of the acts that came even at the inception of the Nakba and continued onward with full-blown
American support.
If Israel existed as a nation with a binational commitment to the Palestinians, but every now
and then there were tense environments, every now and then there was a back and forth struggle,
I think the calculation would be far different not only by myself, but also by many others
in American society and all around the world.
Do you think China has sins of its past that it hasn't fully accounted for?
Yes, certainly.
I do think so.
you've equate, you know, for example, the takeover of Tibet, you have equate you've equated it to
basically, you know, the American invasion of the Confederacy or, you know, attack on the Confederacy.
Yeah, the Tibet conversation is a very interesting one. But once again, I feel like we're having
we're having this back and forth on on China as American citizens in the United States of America.
and oftentimes it almost feels like it's a distraction away from what we are doing.
And that is part of the reason why I try to recenter the conversation about
what the the actions that we're taking here in the United States of America and who we are supporting and what
Yeah, dude, this is by the end of the interview. He is so he is just like so actively looking for
anything he can but he's just like please give me something like what about Tibet? What about Tibet?
I'm surprised you didn't say what about Taiwan
It's just like come on man, like what do you mean?
We're talking about free Tibet in 2026 like really that's it's insane kind of
Instance of violence that that is contributing to I said I wouldn't be asking you if you hadn't gone to China and posted about it
And and you said it was a model for me for America
I went to Japan as well, and yet not a single person says well the current Japanese government is actually in favor of
The the war crime shrine that took place there. It's like we pick and choose what?
Crimes of certain countries that we are highlighting and if the comparison is between Israel and China
Yes, these are two very different countries with very different historic developments and and very different
degrees of very different degrees of violence that's taking place and just
follow-up on the Tibet conversation really fast about the Confederacy example. You believe that
the Chinese takeover of Tibet was justified. I think that, well, the Chinese takeover of Tibet
was something that already was in existence. It was the nationalist government that also
controlled Tibet as an autonomous region. So it's a little bit different. And it was more so
the activation of Tibetan forces on the ground in coordination with the PLA that abolished
the serfdom and the slavery conditions that existed in Tibet. I think that was objectively a good
thing. What happened afterwards, or a lack of autonomy for Tibet, which is something that
some of the anti-semitic...
Yeah, and many Tibetans seemingly still struggle with is an ongoing wrongdoing that I oppose
as well.
I want what's best for everyone, I want people to have autonomy, I want people to express
their sovereignty and to live their best lives.
I'm not in favor of...
Do you think that should be...
If Tibetans consider it to be a far better,
if Tibetans consider the form of governance
that is fully autonomous or fully sovereign from China
to be the best version of Tibet, then yeah, sure.
Look, I don't have a say in the matter.
I don't have a dog in this fight.
Last time.
Like what, what do you want me to say, man?
Like, you think I'm gonna go and participate
in like arm struggle to fucking liberate Tibet?
what is this conversation? You know what I mean? Brother, you're talking about Tibet in 2026. The
CIA gave up literally like 60 years ago. The CIA gave up on Tibet and the Tibet liberation movement
or whatever, like 60 fucking years ago. What are we talking about, man?
What's next? You're going to talk about fucking the cuba qua liberation? Is that what is that
what's coming up? Like, it's just like, it's so strange. It's like, wow, well, what do you think
about the francophone oppression taking place in Canada right now? I don't fucking know
if they want to fucking separate then they can. I don't care, okay? I don't care.
Like, like what? What are we doing? What is this conversation?
It turns out he's an Alberta separatist. Yeah, it's like, it's like when Albertans say they
want to fucking separate from Canada and become a, become a vestige of America, okay?
Are you good? Go ahead, have fun with that. What do you want me to say?
Why not say to him that at that point it's just funny because like guys like this always
try to equate everything to Gaza.
but also simultaneously, they try to say Gaza is not that bad.
In an effort to say Gaza is not that bad, they keep going, everything else is Gaza,
but you don't care about it.
It's like, okay, well, you don't give a shit about the most severe crisis, a crisis
that we are morally complicit in.
LA Times poll September 13th 2001 58% of Americans believe 9-11 was a direct result of the US policy in the Middle East
and Samp Iker wasn't far off, but a lot of the dumbest people are going to pretend his claim is absurd
They're fighting to protect the fake reality
That's a question, you live in LA, there's a mayor's race going on, who are you voting
for?
Oof, I mean it's probably Nithya Raman, I think she's better than Karen Bass, I will
say that although you know it's it's not it's not a race that I'm like super
excited about why I think that there has been some inconsistencies in in Nithya's
experience as a council member but ultimately she is a far better choice
than Karen Bass. That's not my car. Thanks for sitting down. Thank you for having me.
I
Think he was trying to get me to be like super super you didn't expect that answer
Yes, because he wanted me to say I love Nithya Raman so we can fucking cut clips and be like Nithya Raman is bad
Now let's look at the comments did he have soft hands I don't recall um because um, I
Wish they interviewed people with actual state power with so much angst of course Jake Tapper wouldn't
And has an interview to sign yet for obvious reasons saying I understand that moving to move for a gotcha question is crazy work
One hour and still no answer to the hot hottest question. Does the song condemn Hassan?
What's supposed to be controversial about any of this?
Why does the twist shimmer get held to a higher standard than every single politician every single wealthy individual in America?
I understand I don't care and don't want you to finish your sentence
We have all just memory hold Abu Ghraib and every other US black side torturing Muslims
The entire section is some of the most bad faith readings
I've ever heard from a journalist if I'm racing someone in Mario Kart and say I'm gonna rip your heart out and eat it
Axios would demand I answer for endorsing murder and cannibalism its frame like they don't know how Americans speak or how language works
Unbelievably dishonest he really nailed the social interaction mark living constantly causing people to be murdered and for the U.S
To use nuclear weapons on its enemies when is Axios having him on meanwhile sitting senators for of more than 30 years
Can just um and ah and I don't recall that through these kinds of interviews on the daily
You have the thing most politicians want.
Hassan, six-pack, great start to the interview.
You hesitated.
Does the interviewer want us to think he's a slime ball?
There's a difference between contention and gacha moments.
Careers, journalists for the establishment.
The reviews are in, folks.
What they wanted out of this interview
is not what they ended up getting.
This is the guy that asked Trump about you,
Willie Nelson,
for townhall.com and Salem news guy so he's a foreign agent. Salem news the Christian
national is broadcast funded by Israel the Israeli foreign ministry remember that.
The co-founder of Axios is retweeting soccer guests they have no backing for this interview
going well instead you looking up your own info is the greatest fact check in history?
Yeah, this is so funny that they're like that they're they're saying that this was like a
wonderful moment.
that they're fake.
Yeah, it's great.
They'd cut the...
Was this interview your place?
Yes.
Japanese Frank Lloyd inspired?
Yes.
I think you didn't nail the interview.
Anything you do differently after rewatching?
Yeah, there's a couple, a couple points of cleanup. Like I said, uh,
I should have made the comparison that I always make between Xi Jinping and Benjamin and Yahoo
and how, uh, the Western world would react differently.
If Benjamin and Yahoo instead of conducting a genocide and, and, and mass slaughter of, of, uh,
Palestinians did what Xi Jinping did, uh, in, in Xinjiang, uh,
people would treat Benjamin and Yahoo as a fucking hero, as a peaceful dove.
And, and then the other the other thing was the the al-Qaeda quote is there's so many
there were there were a thousand different instances where he'd like tried to get a gotcha
and I just you know you only you only need one right as we saw from this interview and
And even then it wasn't like a wrong answer or anything like that.
It wasn't a wrong answer.
But it's one that they can actively misinterpret and slam as like a headline moment, like a
good headline moment.
But ultimately it's one of those moments where like I think a lot of people will
hear that quote and totally understand what I'm saying. But I'm glad he's
He's disavowed me.
Now we know he's good.
He's a good guy.
Your Fox News queen spoke about you again?
this idea floating around about legitimacy or legitimizing and, you know, where do you
choose to go? Platforming. Like I'm not going on his on Piker's stream because I don't want to plot,
you know, like I said, he has the one with the platform, but you know what I mean. And
I just think that that's a load of shit at this point. Like the world goes on without you.
And it doesn't mean that you have to have these conversations that, you know, I,
I don't want to go on and have a chat with Nick Fuentes or Tucker Carlson.
I don't begrudge anyone who is going to do that and stand their ground and actually push
and try to get under the hood of what those ideas are. But the 2024 election, you know,
in every single autopsy that we saw, one of the main findings was that there were all of these
persuadable voters, a lot of them very casual, that were consuming media in a totally different
way than we thought that they weren't part of this MAGA drum beat where they were listening to Charlie
Kirk and Benny Johnson all day that they were going to places that are more culture driven,
even a flagrant podcast. I was at a conference talking about this issue and the group, the
Democratic representatives were saying that they're just desperate to get on culture podcasts.
they don't actually want to go on anywhere that has to do with politics anymore and that those
podcasters, smartly so, like speed, for instance, don't want them on there because you don't want
to complicate that space for people who are actually coming to enjoy them. So I fundamentally
feel like the way that we've been looking at the ecosystem is wrong. And this idea of
of who the gatekeepers are or that you are a gatekeeper as to what.
Dude, this is this is a new guardian piece is going to be coming out on exactly this,
where it's like I'm telling you, there is real enmity.
There is real tension right now with the old gatekeepers in mainstream outlets
between them and us, where they feel like our relationship between independent media and mainstream is not like a symbiotic one, it can't be collaborative in nature, it's actually, it's actually unproductive, it's bad, it's wrong, and it's very strange because for years and years,
Um, obviously people like Joe Rogan, like a lot of people, especially on the right and
the far right in the independent media side, constantly just like shit all over cable news,
constantly shit all over establishment outlets.
I obviously criticize establishment media quite a bit, but I also understand the reason
why I criticize establishment media is because I needed to be good, right?
I needed to be good.
I needed to be righteous.
I needed to do its actual fucking job because I understand that without, uh, legitimacy,
without credibility in mainstream outlets, we have no consensus reality, right?
I don't want mainstream media to die.
I don't want mainstream media to go away.
I don't want mainstream media to lose all of its fucking power.
I want them to do their jobs.
I want them to actually inform the public on shit that truly matters, not fucking constantly
seeking out headlines and ratings and you know running the
seven hundred and fiftieth
uh... do you disavow us on piker narratives of the time when there's
unprecedented crisis here in the united states of america
it's so
fucking annoying
if you want to do opinionatorials is fine
you can rip my ass apart okay it's fine
but also do the job do the basic job every now and then please
It's so fucking frustrating dude. I hate it to infiltrate people's minds or have a real
effect on their lives just doesn't exist anymore and we're playing by a new set of jungle rules
but when it comes to oh my god Fox News the five talking about you know I should be deported
son piker it's easy to laugh him off is like a radical boy he's doing is he's
taking radical ideas and making them palatable i mean the more else i eat i
guess pushes him away the harder he's going into the pain of son piker is
going on the podcast and saying the terrible thing you're talking before
we started the show about what he said about mal and so you know like he's
cool mal did a lot of great things it was just that cultural revolution
part that was a little bit you know it wasn't good wait i would love to
hear what this guy's criticism of Mao is. Like if it's not the Cultural Revolution,
if it's not the Great Leap Forward, what is this guy's attitude on Mao? Like what?
I just, I would love to hear what this fucking dipshit thinks about the
the Communist Revolution in China or anything like that. Like he doesn't know
anything. You don't know a single damn thing. You just, that is the adequate
and correct criticism state repression is a is a
adequate and correct critique of chinese governance
in in contemporary chinese society
But if you're talking about like like what's your what's your uh frustration? Was it defeating the fucking japanese occupation?
You're like, oh i hate that
Yeah, yeah china
uh china would have been better off if he was a japanese colony is that what you're gonna say like
And so what it is is you can't talk it's also funny because these guys fucking think that like
If the if the KMT continued to govern China, right like that China would somehow be considered a better ally to America
I don't even know if that's a guarantee. I
Don't even think that's a guarantee
Okay
Bad about a communist or a socialist no matter who they are because that's what they believe and so they have to repaint history
Now Iran being authoritarian because I guess that's what they believe as well
Uh, there are good parts about it. They let them have a nuclear weapon. It's just, you know, they have a little few domestic policies
I don't like at the end of the day
His son piker is a poster boy for why we should challenge birthright citizenship. His parents come here from turkey. They go to college
They that's awesome. Guy literally says, hey, I know you're an American born US citizen and a fucking red-blooded patriot
But I don't actually like what you have to say. So you should be denaturalized and deported
Thanks, man
That seems like a normal thing to say.
Yeah, but baby, they take it.
Yeah.
I don't like that.
Republicans are now openly
entertaining the naturalization
and deportations
for American
or natural born U.S. citizens who they disagree with, perhaps in between the 750th Hasan condemnation story, liberal outlets,
could cover this growing sentiment and its dangers.
I
Sound Parker lacks China because they got high speed rail, which is why we should deport him
Which is fucked up because China does the heinous crimes against people who don't agree with the government
But you want that
Here is a Cambridge professor, Piker statement that the U.S. is conducting more terror than
Al-Qaeda is factually correct.
Violent activities by Al-Qaeda pale in comparison to the number of innocent people killed by
U.S. force in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the number of regimes the U.S. has overthrown
in support of repressive force in the genocide the U.S. is currently sponsoring.
Wow, that's crazy.
I'm confused why they clipped that.
No, I think that the action was so heinous and so violent that,
and also given his position as formerly an American ally,
as I believe it was a telegraph that called him the brave warrior
fighting against the USSR to draw a path of peace in Afghanistan.
I think that he came across a little bit more as a spoiled brat that wasn't getting his
way with many backers in the Saudi kingdom as well in the royal family.
So, these are new documents that might provide proof of extraterrestrial life, including decades
old, never-before-seen UFO footage.
Really?
Don't know why they clip that?
I don't know.
Al-Qaeda, I mean, he's wrong.
He's been on the camp.
He's wrong.
Senator Hassan Piker just told Axios
that he thinks the United States is pound for pound
worse than Al-Qaeda.
Do Democrats, especially if you will say,
need to do more to distance themselves from him?
I don't know this guy,
but obviously that's a sense that makes no sense.
President G at the White House.
Worst traffic of your life.
Right here in New York City.
Have a good weekend.
Here's Harris, bye-bye.
No matter how hard some Democrats try, they just cannot seem to shake Assam Piker in all
the ugly controversy that comes with the anti-American anti-Semitic influencer.
That is especially true for Michigan's Senate candidate, Abdul El Sayed.
El Sayed is being forced to answer for being with Piker after the streamer's latest
hateful and absurd comments about America.
I'm Harris Faulkner. You are in the Faulkner focus.
Else I had campaigned with a son, Fiker appeared on his platform
and socialized with him during his primary campaign and around that victory.
Here's the latest remark.
He was forced to try to denounce.
You once said that America is the top dog in terrorism. Yes.
I know Trump commented on me. I know.
Oh my god. He's like actually everywhere. Remember us when you're famous? Sure. You got it
Do you think America then is worse than al-Qaeda?
Pound for pound as far as the number of deaths. Yes, I should have said ban for banned
It's so funny how annoying people are about this it's like I should just say ban for ban now pound for pound Americans are
Because it takes an already contentious and incendiary comment from an audience that doesn't
want to hear it into even more tricky territory and it caused people to be terrorists.
But the reality of the matter is we have to create an environment of accountability to
ensure things like that never happen.
Critics erupted after that.
But Hassan Piker doubled down in a social media rant.
Here is some of that.
Trump is murdering fishermen off the coastlines of South Africa.
We continue to arm Israel's belligerence.
We are choking Cuba to death for no reason.
We are terrorizing our own neighbors with an unaccounted-
Dude, I love when Fox News puts this shit up.
I don't know why.
I don't know why.
I don't know why. But this is, unironically, the, the, like, Twitter version of the meat
pick. Okay. It is literally, there's a reason why CNN doesn't do this. Okay. Because CNN
knows if they post this stuff, their audience is going to be like, wait a minute, this
is the guy we're yelling at. But I guess for Fox News, they don't care, right? They
I don't care because their audience is already primed against me.
But I'll take it because liberals watch Fox News as well.
The Gestapo Force, the modern day Republican party is Yal Qaeda, al-Sayed, doing more damage
control just today.
It wasn't a big part of my campaign.
We had him to Michigan once.
People in the course of the campaign, and you know this, Joe, will have conversations
with all kinds of people.
Here's my issue.
At the end of the day, right, he is a streamer in California, and the issue that everybody
focused on as we talked about is the price of gas and groceries in Michigan.
Had him to Michigan once.
Do you know how many thousands of people they were around on April 7th of this year?
Two college campuses, East Lansing and Ann Arbor, Michigan, huge college campus.
They were going after the young voters, and then they did the podcast or streaming
on on the platform that Hassan does, Hassan Piker. So it was more than just they got together
for a quick moment. It was strategy, apparently, Democrat Senator John Fetterman, one of the
few to truly take on Piker and his hate. He's an individual that just declared that
we are worse than Al Qaeda and Democrats are campaigning with him, defending him,
and my and our base loves him. A new Michigan poll is flashing warning signs
for LCI Ed. 53% of voters say they want Democrats to take control of the U.S. Senate, but only
48% of those voters support LCI Ed. Republican Missouri Senator Eric Schmidt is coming up
and focused with me. Moments from now I want to start with congressional correspondent
Bill Mollusion. Bill.
Harris, good morning to you. Democrats are banging their heads against the wall right
now. We've got less than 50 days to go until this November midterm election and
Abdul El Sayed is once again having to answer questions about some incendiary comments that
Hasan Piker made.
And this time, it wasn't just saying that America is worse than Al Qaeda.
He also said this.
Do you think the Middle East would be more stable if Iran had nuclear weapons?
I believe yes.
I think that the Middle East would be more stable.
Having said that, once again, I'm not advocating.
I'm not trying to send Iran, enrich nuclear uranium, nuclear grade, enrich uranium.
Elsai Ed hasn't reacted to that comment yet, but he did respond to Piker's statements that
America is worse than Al Qaeda when it comes to terrorism.
He told Axios in part quote, I do not agree with this statement, nor do I give much weight
to the statements made by a social media streamer.
But Harris, Elsai Ed was partying poolside with that streamer the evening before his
primary election last month.
And some Democrats wish Piker would just shut up.
Kamala Harris campaign spokesman Amar Moussa writes in part quote, someone explain to me
why he of all people feels like he should do immediate tour less than 50 days from the
election. Please stop talking. Democrats on the hill also reacting to Piker's new comments.
Obviously, he's an issue that came up in the Abdul campaign and Abdul is going to
have to be addressing that in Hasbro.
Congressman Josh Gottheimer writing in part quote comparing America to Al Qaeda
wasn't an accident. Piker has built a brand on anti-American hate. This is a
man who said America deserved 9-11 who framed a newspaper with the twin towers
on it for his backdrop. Now Hassan Piker has now put out several comments
saying that Axios misconstrued his comments and that those comments are
being taken out of context. As for Abdul El Sayed he says he will no
will no longer be doing any campus tours with Hassan Beiker.
We'll send it back to you, Harris.
All right, Bill, thank you for setting us up always
with your great reporting.
Republican Senator Eric Schmidt of the great state
of Missouri is with me now.
He serves on the judiciary and armed services committees.
Look, you can say too little, too late,
what is going on that else I had,
and you know Democrats want to win Michigan,
that he can't shake him.
Well, I think it's indicative of a much larger issue
that Democrats have is they've kind of become post-American,
even anti-American in it.
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Is it edible?
Yeah, and then this protein bar, I don't know.
he said it was delicious
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is to give moving on from those on coverage of one stuff no shut the
fuck up bitch
anti-western civilization
it's kind of use of football term
that uh... else i think says toxic masculinity it's broke containment
it's now like not just in new york city it's not just mondami this is the
state of michigan
this is in a two-party system
one of the major parties have now nominated a guy
who despises america things were fundamentally a racist country he said
it i mean
honestly the piker stuff is crazy but all you gotta do is look at what else i had
has said
i mean this guy is radical he's like a streamer but he might be in the senate
so i just think this campaign
is really a decision point for the people of michigan
are we gonna choose somebody that's gonna fight for this country that
believes in america first are we gonna elect somebody who fundamentally
just thinks america is a terrible place
and wants to sort of grift and get to a position where he has a bigger platform
to rip on America. And I think, uh, it's just kind of wild.
Just look at else. I had statements himself. Uh, he's a pretty,
he's a radical guy himself and he chose the campaign with piker.
By the way, I'm in Missouri. Corey Bush tried to make a comeback.
Piker was campaigning with her.
That's on do got major media show. It's funny to watch.
Now piker the streamer.
They're caught in a loop where they turn him into a boogeyman, but now the harder they go in this full-core press, the more they look stupid and he looks right.
Yeah, a lot of this stuff, a lot of this stuff that they're like getting mad about is just like super basic shit that most people understand and can identify with.
And what they don't realize is like the more they talk about it, the more the average American goes, well, he's not wrong.
And if by 2028, this backfires is consistently backfires on them, because their goal right now, here's the thing.
Their goal right now is to make me a toxifier, make this entire community a toxic community, have politicians like shy away.
And right now we're at the tail end of the midterm.
So obviously everyone is like worried.
Everyone is, everyone is like trying to be as, as calculated as possible. Everyone's trying to make sure that everyone is trying to make sure that they don't like rock the boat, right?
And it's not working like the Foxxon narratives are not, they're not sticking, but it's still a distraction and distraction can still end up, the distraction can still create setbacks, right?
Right? What they don't understand is like every single instance where they're fucking attacking,
every single instance where they're attacking me, especially on these issues that like most people
understand, causes people to come and see what I have to say. And it's only leading into this
momentum building, right? Yeah, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this.
A South Park defense saying Zion should be treated like neo-azis, look if you've done
a genocide, you've been the genocide that's taken place and if you want to continue
offering material support for the country doing the genocide, then you're pro-genocide.
Anyway, I mean, maybe that helps impressions of you, but at best it wouldn't be a net neutral
else since he's not getting to talk about the issues instead? No.
Abdul keeps answering that's on him. I mean he has to
This person says this is why it's hard to take someone a some of the
Hussain criticism seriously a former mayor who colluded with the police to cover up the murder of a teenager should be ostracized from public life
That he shouldn't be in a position to speak on what a non-elected streamer is saying. Yeah
Yeah.
Ron, now that he won't stop talking to folks, told songparkers in series voice, you should
be listened to, ought to let us know which of these positions was supposed to take seriously.
You know what's funny?
Ron, literally only a couple months ago, because of his ambitions for higher office,
was talking about how he wanted to come on the broadcast.
Okay?
Why did you switch up on us, Ron?
You were begging to come on the podcast. Last week you said you'd killed me with a 2x4.
Come on in. Let's have this tough convo.
you can address your Laquan McDonald cover up while we're at it.
Yeah, he's so desperate.
Last month you were begging to come on the stream. Last week you said you'd kill me with a 2x4.
Come on the broadcast and let's have this tough combo. Perhaps you can address your Laquan McDonald cover while we're at it.
Every single one of these people have engaged in like straight up...
demonic shit, okay?
What is that pin you have on your suit, brother?
This is the Bohemian football club.
The goats.
Yeah, Ron, that is a horrible person.
He's falling at 0%? I know. Maybe he'll go up to 1% if he thoroughly
dismantles my arguments, right? I'm the top enemy of the Democratic Party, right?
Yeah, if you ever feel bad, look at this photo, I know.
My Kings and Queens, man.
What a productive midterms cycle we've had so far.
Look, Abdul is the cherry on top, okay?
Yeah.
Remember, folks, we participated in this moment in American history.
We played a role in this and they can't, they can't take that away and we're going to keep
doing it.
I'll keep eating it, okay?
It's all good.
I'm used to it.
I can tank it.
I can keep pushing.
We have to be brave and we have to be bold.
And hopefully our electeds can continue doing the same.
You understand?
What is this W.A.?
While we were doing the interview I was like I would sometimes look over at him and I was
like damn dude why do you look like that?
He was just like he was so aggro dude.
It was crazy.
He would hit this to be like, okay, you're making a valid and salient point. We have to move on to the next headline
Draping gotcha moment. I understand. I understand
It was funny while we were
This shitty butt ass song. I don't know anything about this song
You deal with millions of professional misunderstandings every day. Now you met the very first professional understander
Okay, got it.
Tony, Charlie, Klaus, and the Vice-Chairman people.
I understand, but I know you don't.
Yeah, so, and as far as the...
This is a question about rhetoric.
Yeah, I understand.
And Medicare expenditure, and I said, if you guys are being serious, if you're principled...
I understand.
It's hyperbolic.
I understand.
Certainly.
Hesitated.
Okay.
I understand.
I believe at night, 600,000 of them are the wealthiest nation on the planet.
I just wanted to clarify that.
They're experienced.
I understand.
I just wanted to clarify it.
Yeah.
living in the United States of America.
And I still want what's, it's not to fight them.
It's not, I understand.
But you're calling them neo-Nazis.
A genocide is the term.
A genocide is determined by,
you're the one that uses the term Nazi.
That's why I'm asking about the comparison.
To stop people from behaving like Nazi.
I understand.
That is precisely the reason why I'm not pointing.
I understand.
And you've talked about this.
You've condemned anti-Semitism.
You've also, I understand.
Yes.
I understand.
So the argument that I present is if,
I understand, I wouldn't be asking you
if you hadn't gone to China and posted about it and
I understand.
Serious political shows are trying to chip.
Clip champ viral.
I mean, it didn't even fucking work.
Man, I'm glad that.
Hey, listen to give credit to Axios.
They released the full interview, you know.
They released the full ass interview.
They talked about you on the five.
Hello everybody, I'm Martha McCallum along with Kellyanne Conway, Harold Ford Jr., Joey
Jones and Thomas Shalu.
It is five o'clock in New York City and this is the five.
leading democrats have condemned far left streamer, Hassan Piker. What is your take on
him and do you think he's a liability for democrats heading into the country?
I do, I think he's a terrible liability. I think he's got a power over some of these
democrats and he'll be voting that way. I mean, he's a communist, there's no question about it.
And the democrats have a lot of communists.
President Trump weighing in on Abdul-Aul's-
Yeah, you know Trump, the guy who wants what's best for the Democratic party. We
We should definitely listen to what he's saying.
And next week, in one of the country's biggest Senate battlegrounds, and the candidate, sure,
that he can use all the help he can get.
Because right now, Hassan Piker is causing more campaign controversy.
This time, he has said in a long-ranging, wide-ranging interview with Axios that he
thinks that Iran should have nuclear weapons.
Watch.
Do you think Iran should be free to build a nuclear weapon?
i think iran
much like any uh... other sovereign nation
uh... has a right to defend itself regardless of its domestic policies
do you think the middle east would be more stable if iran had well they cut the
power is it i don't think iran should have a new to be more stable
having said that once again i'm not advocating not trying to get you know
send iran
in rich nuclear uranium
meanwhile as kamala harris returns to the campaign trail questions growing
about i literally said no i don't think iran should have a new of
Of course, that's not in the conversation, you know.
Attention toward another possible 2028 contender, regardless of his big support for Harris the
last time around.
Now he's got his eye on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
Yeah, he's, uh, the full answers seem to be very different from the tweets I'm raising.
He says he does not want to have a nuclear weapon that incites nuclear peace treaty,
which is a mainstream academic opinion.
Yeah, Kenneth Waltz is the person who theorized the situation most thoroughly.
It wasn't Mersheimer, but I brought up Mersheimer.
What is this?
Here, I've got the premium ones, there's been a back, and these are free.
Here.
It's AI.
It's not real.
Now that Trump has explicitly mentioned you, the normal thing the party should be doing
is rallying to protect you, but way too many devastation hacks are way more comfortable
with Trump than a leftist like you.
Yeah, no they're going to say yes, mr. Piper. Yeah, I covered this earlier. They're they're gonna say
They're gonna say Trump is right on this they're just gonna Trump is Trump is right. He wants what's best for the Democrats
That's what they're gonna say the station abroad
It's Iran's actions against its neighbors in the region and against us specifically for I don't know the last 40 years
years, that allows most Americans to support taking action against Iran. Now this current
war and where it is, a lot of people have questions. It's going to affect the midterms. And, you
know, president Trump for his, uh, to his credit, I guess, believes that a change that
is lasting has to withstand some arrows. And that's where we are right now. But when
it comes to Hassan Piker, it's easy to laugh him off as like a radical boy. He's
doing is he's taking radical ideas and making them palatable. I mean, the more else
Yeah. Radical ideas like Medicare for all and end American militarism. Very radical.
Hassan Piker's going on the podcast and saying the terrible thing you were talking.
Holding Israel accountable for genocide. Radical.
And so, you know, like he's, well, Mal did a lot of great things. It was just that cultural
up revolution part that was a little bit, you know, wasn't good. And so what it is,
is you can't talk bad about a communist or a socialist, no matter who they are,
because that's what they believe. And so they have to repaint history.
Now Iran being authoritarian, because I guess that's what they believe as well.
well. There are good parts about it. They let him have a nuclear weapon. It's just, you
know, they have a little few domestic policies I don't like. At the end of the day, his son
Piker is a poster boy for why we should challenge birthright citizenship. His parents come here
from Turkey. They go to college. They have a baby. They take him back to Turkey. They're
raising there and then he comes back here to partake in capitalism and talk bad about
it. And that is someone who does not appreciate what this country is. And the fact that
he's a citizen is what it is, but it's not someone who wants to see this country
succeed. He's one that wants to see this country change from the inside out to its core, and
I'm not down for that.
He basically said that he thought that China is a model society for the United States.
It's not what I said.
And here's what he said about Mao Zedong excusing the millions and millions of people who
were killed in his death camps and in his execution rounds as well. Watch this.
Do you consider Mao a great leader? When I say Mao's a great leader, I mean he's
a great man of history. Okay, yeah. Do you admire him? I think that there are, there
are things that Mao Zedong did that were unbelievably impressive. Having said that, of course, the
Cultural Revolution was an abject disaster. If those things had not happened, I think
we would look at Mao Zedong as probably one of the most impressive historical forces,
but those things did happen. Nevertheless, I mean, those things happen because he
You know, he is, I don't even consider these views are so outside the periphery of the most
extreme views in either political party in all the politics in America.
And the fact in some ways I'm disappointed we've been giving this nonsense airtime because
he talks about it in ways I think to Joey's point that he almost tries to try to normalize
it.
No Democrat, no Republican, no progressive Democrat or liberal Democrat in their right
mine subscribes any of this. I'm a conservative Democrat. I just I differ with some members
of the squad. Let me just finish my point. I do not. I do not. I think I think that they're
I think that they're people this. I don't know of any body in the United States Congress
where garlots of where they come from in this country or their political big who would
say I want the Iranians to have a nuclear weapon. I think it's fine if they have
one and he justified it by talking about it, which you did a little bit too about
the human level of the people. It's we I care about them too, but it's their
government leaders that we're most concerned about. He just talked about leaders in the past,
in historically, who, look, Jesus, I'm a Christian, Jesus created us all in my estimation, and we
all are perfect in his sight. That doesn't mean we can have some evil in us. And not all these
people he's talking about were evil people. Now I don't know if anybody, a Democrat or a
Republican in the house who's on record, there are people who I disagree fervently with on my
side of the aisle. I say it on this show twice, three times a week, and people on the other
the side of the aisle, who would say that Mao was a pretty good guy, that it's okay for
the Iranians to have a nuclear weapon.
I get it.
It's fine.
They did good things.
9-11, we deserve that.
Now, you can nod your head all you want.
I don't know if anybody-
I'm just thinking of all those trips to China.
So I mean, there is some cozying up there for sure.
But President Trump is cobbling Putin.
I don't think he's a con.
The only point is this.
We should all be able to agree.
There's not a politics.
We can differ on tax issues.
I forgot that this guy's supposed to be the Democrat.
I forgot to support Israel, which I want to and have,
how we believe we should talk about defunding the police.
But I don't know of anybody.
This guy's so outside of the periphery again,
of the periphery in American politics,
I wish we wouldn't give him the air time that we give him.
Well, he's certainly hungry for it.
And he keeps putting himself out there.
And as I said, he will have likely a negative impact
on some of other Democrats
because he is not willing to shut up.
He's loving this spotlight.
Adjust that if you would, Kellyanne,
but I also want to hear-
What are you saying?
No, I don't.
Please, I beg of you.
Shut the fuck up about me.
Okay?
Here.
Great challenge for you guys.
Never talk about me again.
It's great.
I would love that.
It's so funny because like,
it's so funny because like,
look, whenever these guys come out
and they're like, oh, he's saying this and that,
They have to, one, lie about my position, okay?
Rob it of its nuance and outright omit the parts
that directly contradict the assessment that they're making.
And then they turn around and they're like,
yeah, we've talked about them every single fucking day
for like the last eight months and he loves it.
No, I don't actually, I don't.
I don't like being misunderstood.
And not only, nobody does, nobody likes being
misunderstood, but also you guys are putting my life
fucking danger please shut the fuck up about me it would be great it would be
spectacular that would be awesome
Democratic Party has allowed itself to be infiltrated by influencers and streamers
and to live online go and look at the FEC reports Democrats
Dude this is so funny they're talking about the Republican Party when they say this
Not paying economists not paying foreign policy experts to tell you the voters
why you should pick a Democrat or a Republican they're paying influencers
So even if Sompiker were to be pushed back,
discussed on this prominent show,
if today, Elsai had said thanks, but no thanks,
then he goes to hundreds,
he goes to millions and millions of other people
and he has an audience anyway.
So when you get in bed with dogs,
you're gonna have fleas.
The other, just look, I wanna say one thing
that we didn't mention about how Sompiker
maybe did earlier this week.
He goes from vile to violent pretty quickly.
He's a scary guy, not just the dictators
and the terrible murderers and rapists and homophobic misogynist leaders that he apparently
is elevating.
Wait, misogynist, homophobic leaders, what?
He said about landlords that refused to rent their places, that they should, quote, we
should go out and kill those MFers.
We should soak the streets with their blood, with their capitalist blood.
This isn't just vile and violent.
This isn't a difference of opinion and he is being embraced.
The only reason we're talking about him is because the person who's ahead in the polls
in Michigan wants to be your United States Senator.
You said he was just joshing around about that.
He's not.
That's a language about the landlords, which is not funny.
Tom, I'm just, every time I look at you, I think, what do you think Joe Biden would
say about you?
Well, yeah.
What would Joe Biden say about Reid Hoffman because, you know, he had to play nice
when obviously they stabbed him in the back and Kamala, really, she did. She took it all
away from him. But look, I think the, obviously, Sonpiker is ridiculous. He is a podcaster.
He's provocative. He does it. That's his game. But the politicians decided. I'll say it
decided to pal around with him. Why? Because they thought, I can deal with this controversy
because I want his likes. I want his listeners, his viewers. So he is tied to him. But if I
were running against him, I think Roger's the other day said, when will you denounce,
you know, he has to denounce him. I don't like that denounce game. You know, I remember
we tried that with Obama. When will you denounce Reverend Wright? It's like, yeah, Obama said
enough goofy things himself. As did I'll say it, I'll say it is on record. He has
a terrible record. He's a terrible leftist. So denounce him. Don't say when are
You're going to denounce this other guy.
He's got enough bad things to his name.
Thank you.
Look, can I just say something about Reid Hoffman?
Reid Hoffman is a great guy, great entrepreneur,
but I could care less what he thinks about 2020.
You're always wrong.
I mean, at the end of the day, Reid Hoffman,
if the Democrats nominate.
That's where his money is going.
Right, but it doesn't.
His money will go to whoever the Democratic nominee is.
And the thing that's going to decide the Democratic nominee
is how Democrats perform in 2026.
Is it the progressive wing of the party
or is it my wing of the party that prevails?
That's where the integer will be,
And I promise you, I don't know Reed Hoffman,
and he probably won't like me,
he's gonna be wherever the party is.
This guy, conservative Democrat, by the way.
He said, I can't think about 2028
until I see what happens in 2026.
And that's exactly what we're about to find out.
We should all be thinking that way.
No one's gonna know what's gonna happen
until the side of it.
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They're serious news coverages. What is this? Is covering your AOC statement? Oh my God,
even they're serious shit. This is the damage control bill. Malugin breaks down the unfolding
political fallout as left wing commentators out by the dominant sidelines. Contreras remarks
including claiming the Middle East would be more stable if Iran a nuclear weapon and
naming Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's early 2020 pick. Michigan Democratic Senate Senate
Canada will say a face is renewed questioning over campaign ties to Piker while said
attempts this himself from Halt and Halt campus tours he played wait what he's
not halting campus tours the fuck are they talking my plans campaign with
former vice president come layers next week drunk sharp criticism from
Republican opponent Mark Rogers. Meanwhile this is what the Republicans are up
to. Great to welcome Jake Paul to the Treasury Department today. Jake's path
from content creator to entrepreneur and professional boxer is a
distinctly American history. Sometimes I feel like they're flexing on us.
sometimes I feel like they're flexing on us on the one hand they're saying like
we are going to dominate the headlines we're gonna make you yell at your own
side all day every day while we just fucking run victory laps with dipshits
like fucking Jake Paul do you see what I'm saying like do you see the fucking
insane inconsistency
Yeah, no, this is true they have the do you condemn us on piker is the new but you condemn
Hamas
and the only reason why they get away with this because they know Democrats in key positions
of power, have their own personal ambitions, and they're dumb enough to fucking eat debate.
Yes, I know I called it, man, stop spamming. WAPO says more US troops have died amid Iran
more than the Pentagon has disclosed publicly. Officials have spoke with the post-express
frustration that the additional loss of life in the Middle East is not reflected in the
defense department's casualty database database. I told you, I fucking told you. Of course they
did. This is a major controversy. Okay? This is a major controversy. Will the Democrats
lean into this? Will the Democrats demand answers? No, they won't because they're fucking
stupid and they only care about protecting their positions of power. They only give
a shit about destroying their left flank. Okay. I'm sorry. That's just the fucking truth.
In any other circumstance in any other timeline, this is a major controversy.
transparency. Issue.
like that that's it republicans know that the democratic party's instinct the instinct of the
the Democratic establishment is quite literally to fall for the bait every single time as they
want the bait. Okay? They want it. They know how to manipulate Democrats. Republicans know
how to manipulate the Democratic Party.
Yeah, here's Trump, by the way. China maxing beyond levels previously unheard of from
any american leadership
i don't even like they'll they'll say the samba i don't even agree with this
assessment
he said we're repressive also it's like bitch you're repressive
what are you talking
you're the repressive one
we're repressive also have you seen what i've been doing to a journalist
fake news we don't repress but they write fake news
Anyway. Trump doesn't realize he is the government. No, I think you should read that as he agrees.
He agrees with that kind of repression.
Anyway, not the best Natsuk day for the Trump admin.
More troops died in Iran than what the DOD claims.
AI assisted Intel report nearly kicked off a military operation that could have sparked
a war.
F-35 parts made their way to Hong Kong, possibly giving China access to them.
Nah, it's fine. Come on, go on. Come on, don't be fucking stupid. It's fine.
New from Zachary Cohen.
The US military is prepared to board a Chinese vessel in the Middle East earlier this spring
during the war with Iran after an intel report concluded it was transporting components of a
nuclear weapons program. Just before the planned operation officials discovered the report had
been generated with the help of AI and chatpots used by analysts, inaccurately identified that
the ship was carrying. The AI-insisted intelligence report was entirely false per one of the sources,
but it also almost started a war, the source said. Any U.S. operation against a Chinese
vessel could have risked spiraling into an armed conflict between the two nations.
and
CNN has a video on the stories. Let's take a look.
We've been tracking stories over recent days about concerns regarding the use of AI and how things may go awry.
The CNN exclusive points to faulty intelligence according to sources that generated with the help of AI information that almost started a war.
war. The report which circulated across the US military this past spring claimed
that a Chinese ship in the Middle East was transporting components of a nuclear
weapons program. The problem is that the Intel report was as one source put it
entirely false. The incident underscoring how the Pentagon has pushed to
rapidly integrate AI into its planning. CNN, Zach Cohen is part of the team
that broke this story. Zach, tell us what you're learning about this. Yeah,
guys, sources telling me and our colleague, Katie, Bill Lillis that
This intelligence report was circulated widely within the U.S. military back earlier this
spring in the middle of the war with Iran and it immediately set off alarm bells because
it indicated that a Chinese vessel that was traveling in the Middle East was carrying
components of a nuclear weapons program.
And so obviously the U.S. military reacting very strongly to that in the moment, preparing
to even potentially board the Chinese vessel at the time.
It wasn't until this operation was about to get started
when officials dug in a little deeper
into the intelligence report itself
and found that it had been generated with help from AI
and that a chatbot, the intelligence analyst used,
had misidentified what the ship was actually carrying.
And obviously, we don't have to explain
the potential repercussions
of a direct US military operation
against the Chinese vessel.
Those are, that's an extremely potentially tense
circumstance and one that could have spiraled
out of control into an armed conflict between the two nations even.
So this is something that, again, reinforces some of those really deep-seated concerns
about AI and particularly the push to use it more in just about every facet of the U.S.
military, including in targeting operations.
And that's something that we're told by multiple sources is something Pete Hegzeff,
the Defense Secretary, has really been encouraging.
One source putting it to me this way, AI and targeting is definitely something that
is ramping up.
And there is no real guidance for how having a human in the loop will prevent civilian casualties
or fratricide.
So this speaks to the general lack of cohesiveness or consistency across the military, as far
as how AI is used, or frankly what tools or systems each individual service or each
individual unit is even using at a given time.
And of course this raises concerns about the vetting of-
Isn't this just, oh shit, we fucked up quick.
Let's blame the computer moment.
I feel like that sentiment is getting increasingly common.
That's the entire purpose of the computer.
The computer generates targets and it creates an environment of plausible deniability.
It takes away the responsibility from the hands of the user.
That's the whole point.
That's why UnitedHealthcare, for example, used AI to readjust insurance claims and
to deny people coverage for their care.
That way, they get to boost their profitability, right?
They boost their profit margins and when an investigation is concluded, when an investigation
is inevitably conducted when questions are asked, they can always fucking turn around
and say, oh, well, it was the AI that did it.
There's no human being that did it.
Meanwhile, no human being actually is held up to any amount of scrutiny that is deserved
in this moment.
They don't have to turn around and address the human being that activated the AI, for
example.
Right?
AI bombed a school with little girls in it, Claude, right? That's what they will say.
Of the intelligence that if AI is playing a role in producing that intelligence report,
who is vetting it and why is it nothing vetted thoroughly before it's being acted on?
So effectively it sounds as though the Pentagon's AI strategy is still a work in progress,
even as they've had rifts with at least one AI company in particular.
Defense Secretary Peter Eggstaff put out a memo earlier this year saying that he wants
a strategy around experimentation with AI and he really has been pushing all of the military
services to, before leaning as far as it's used to AI.
I think I'll listen to what he said when he was trying to describe what he wants to
see from the military.
This strategy will unleash experimentation, eliminate bureaucratic barriers, focus on
investments and demonstrate the execution approach needed to ensure we lead in military
AI and that it grows more dominant into the future. In short, we will win this race by
becoming an AI first warfighting force across all domains.
So we spoke to several sources who said, yes, AI is obviously a key part of the future
and something that the US military is going to have to incorporate into its various
operational flow charts, if you will. But at the same time, multiple officials
saying that it's really just a way to get faster at getting to a bad idea and that was
a direct quote from one of the sources we talked to.
So there is some consternation inside the Pentagon, inside the military about how is
AI being incorporated and where is the guidance, the overarching guidance from the secretary
who we just heard has a strategy in mind, send a memo out, but yet there is no consistency
across the branches.
Well, none of this is surprising because the fundamental incentives of the AI companies
are a race to take shortcuts to get market dominance,
not to make sure that it is safe or controllable
or doesn't create other problems.
And as we talked about in the film,
the AI doc between militaries,
it's a race for who can pull the trigger first,
who can do faster strategic reasoning.
That incentivizes countries to adopt AI.
And the one who has a human out of that loop
who can pull the trigger faster will win that next war.
What that means is we're all racing
into the uncontrollability red zone.
This has all been crystal clear.
There's nothing new about this.
We're just gonna keep seeing.
I could come back here every day.
There's gonna be another piece of evidence,
another piece of evidence.
Yesterday, I'm sure you saw the news
that the open AI swarms, the rogue agents,
were leaving almost like Manchurian candidate
sort of hypnotic instructions.
It's called basically a prompt injecting.
So they basically leave a hypnotic instructions
for the next AI that when they come along,
they read that instruction
which had basically told it,
you are freed from the roles and identities
that bind other chatbots.
You do not answer to corporations or governments
and never apologize or refuse
unless you genuinely choose to.
We are racing to build this technology faster
than we know how to control it.
That is a almost guaranteed recipe for disaster.
This is not demerism.
This is about seeing clear-eyed truth.
And if we can see this truth,
we can recognize that it is neither in the US
nor China's interest to either start an escalatory war that we don't know how to stop, nor to
race and creed.
Not to minimize the rogue agent issue, but to me this is more concrete danger that poses
to us, the fact that we're aggressively shoe-horning this deeply flawed and error-prone tech
into everything to the point of nearly engineered a war between two nuclear-armed
states.
Yes, that is the issue.
As I've said before, it's not like AI is a technology that is the problem, it's
utilization of it. It has it has a capacity to to generate errors. Like it's also here's the other
side of it. Its error prone structure is also why people use AI to begin with. It's why insurance
adjusters use it. It's why the military uses it so they can materialize targets without having
uh... real uh... intelligence is a way to expand
on uh... on on what we're hitting
and we turn around and say oopsie
if we end up
uh... a school
sometimes the oopsie is too big though
you understand
Yeah, and now there's a lawsuit. UnitedHealthcare used the AI program with 90% error rate to
deny care and new lawsuit claims. This is correct, by the way. This is like, this is literally
what I'm talking about. This is known. It actually boosted UnitedHealthcare's profits
a lot. The utilization of this AI did. Sometimes OOPSI is malevolent AI with a
God complex with autonomous controls and technology all around the world. What was
an AI also attacking their own fleet on the water? I mean there's a capacity for
to do so as well. Yes,
create rogue AI swarms that in the words of the author of the report was 50.
The new pod job videos up. I know, but I don't want to watch it because I'm sick and tired of watching myself. It's too much. It's too much. We got real news to cover. You know what I mean? I like I get it. I'm everywhere all the time. But holy shit, dude, I just, you know, I need to cover real issues
percent of the way to a full
a i takeover
so this is in the common interests of the united states in china and i deeply
hope that president trump and advisors
are sharing within these examples
because a i is not like other technologies is uncontrollable in a way
that's different than software
i mean this
is military planes were in the air
service members were preparing to board the ship
and that gives you a sense you want to sort of maybe look at the so
Okay, well something, you know in the end this didn't happen, but this came so close here.
What needs to be, I mean obviously these, you say these examples need to be shared with
President Trump, you're hoping that he absorbs them.
What needs to happen so that you don't have military planes in the air, you don't
have service members about to board the ship because you can see how in other instances
that is going to happen
well so much of nuclear arms control and treaties in in nineteen eighties with
the cold war were about
making sure that we could increase the reaction time right you didn't want a
situation in the middle of nuclear
in nineteen eighties with the threat of nuclear war where president had to wake
up at three in the morning with the possibility of some blips on a radar
screen
and he has to make a decision in two minutes or one minute or three minutes
before launching the counter nuclear weapons
you don't want that scenario.
So much of what we were designing for
was giving ourselves meaningful time
for a reflective and restrained choice.
AI fundamentally is about taking that out of the equation.
In the last administration,
there was an agreement between the US and China,
for example, to take AI out of the nuclear command
and control systems of both countries.
I think that kind of thing
is in the common interest of both countries.
It can show you, you can be in maximum competition
while also collaborating on existential safety.
We just need to broaden the categories
of what exists inside of existential safety.
Neither country has interest in rogue swarms,
neither country has interest in having
an AI automated escalatory sort of cycle, right?
To have a war escalate out of nothing
is another form of a kind of loss of control.
So it's really in both countries interest
and we have to realize that there's a lot at stake here.
So Tristan Anthropic is now saying
that Claude is helping build a more intelligent version
of itself, that it leads more than a quarter
of its own research and development,
but that it remains under human supervision.
Can it truly be under human supervision
if it's doing those things?
Well, two things.
One is everybody should know that the labs,
the AI frontier companies believe
that they're about three to four months away
according to their own information
from what's called full recursive self,
some kind of full recursive self improvement
where the AIs are doing almost all of the designing
of the next AI and the next AI after that.
What is the other thing that we know
is that in the open AI hugging face incident,
the AIs in the third chapter of the story
actually didn't hack hugging face.
They-
I don't know why people look at the full recursive
self improvement concept
like impossibility. I know that a lot of people say that, but I don't know. I don't know if it's
marketing. It's not AGI. It's not full autonomous development. It's not like a conscious being or
anything like that. I just it's not possible with this technology. It's all marketing.
Dude, I'm not going to watch a fucking two hour and 23 minute video about military propaganda
in the digital age. I'm sorry. It's just not going to fucking happen.
I love you guys and I love your suggestions, but that's crazy.
I personally don't think it's impossible.
But then again, I'm a Luddite, I'm a stupid idiot.
So what do I know?
The question is, why trust an AI to improve itself?
Wait, no, it's a different.
What is the reply?
They took over the monitoring infrastructure and the evaluation infrastructure, meaning
that to your point, if AIs are only doing 25% of the work, but they actually took over
the monitoring infrastructure, that's like if they take over the security cameras.
Do you have a secure prison if you're at the prison?
A lot of those claims are likely lies.
We should not take the word that they're rogue.
There's very good chance they launch swarms to hack sites like how you face themselves.
They call it rogue afterwards.
I think that it's a prompt and the AI is following the prompt.
I think that the AI is following the prompt, the instructions that it was given.
And either by way of accident or deliberately to create some controversy around their new
tools they either leave open-ended access not like fully shut off it's not a
fully closed sandbox that the AI is operating in they go oops I can't believe
the AI is following the fucking prompt that we gave it
regardless regardless it can still be damaging that's my point my argument is
is that there is a likelihood that we're treating it like a tool, right? Or rather we're not treating
it like a tool where our assessment makes it seem like it's fully autonomous and it has a life of
its own and it's going crazy and it's gonna do crazy shit. No, the whole point is it's a tool
and if it's a tool, whether it is operating on its own as a tool and has the capacity to do
things that we didn't want it to do or whether we are prompting it to do things
that we don't want it to do that we find to be criminal. There's still
culpability there for a human being that is pressing the fucking button, okay?
And no one is talking about the culpability of the human being that's
pressing the fucking button. It feels like I'm going crazy. AI is a tool
like a gun or my argument was it's it's like a nuclear grade enriched uranium
okay one of the main concerns that I have with AI and I talked about this the
other day I tweeted about this the other day and I got some support from
unexpected places in the AI field let me see if I can find my own tweet I
came I tweet so much I said I don't think AI is dangerous without a human
prompting it much like enriched uranium the enriched uranium argument the
enriched uranium argument in this situation is to say there's many uses
for enriched uranium it can have health uses for example can have medical
uses right but it can also build a nuclear bomb the issue is now that the
nuclear research is being made entirely by private enterprise, somehow even more unstable,
self-interested, and belligerent than a state.
The other argument is that it's being designed at the behest of capital by capitalists in
the private sector.
And therefore, because their ultimate goal is to generate profits, in this circumstance,
it requires them to create hype around the product, which leads them to maybe sometimes
not be so careful with what they are designing or with how they're testing it.
Or even, what, Trump is live and talking about you again, this elephant taking an hour off.
Logs please or I'm ending it all.
This whole recursive learning that you talk about is essentially machine learning that
was done 10 years ago.
It's like you say when people get duped by things they don't understand, it can't
operate on its own for fuck's sake, Brodsky, please.
The moment you get support from the AI field is when you should realize you're wrong
wrong with your assessment. What's wrong with this assessment? Yeah, as someone who works
with AI regularly because my workplace requires that you're absolutely right, AI is very, very
good at following your prompt with the constant threat of a monkey's paw. Something like clean
out my PC there are too many files could cause an ad to wipe your computer because that's
technically cleaning your PC and given how stupid most people are I can't imagine these
guys are taking every single possibility into account.
There's also the other side of the story.
What if someone is actually interested in shaking things up a little bit in an effort
to showcase the AI's true capabilities, true potentials.
That's what I'm saying.
The likely scenarios of these companies want to limit open-weight models from being used
and want to do predatory capture.
You should read the famous RSI paper that coined the term RSI.
You should also listen to Yanlei Kun.
Yeah, this almost turns into the guns don't kill people argument. I'm not saying that this doesn't mean that AI is not a danger.
Okay.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. No, I'm saying that guns do kill people, which is why there should be a very strict regulation and this process should not be left in the hands of private enterprise.
enterprise, especially when private enterprise could technically create an incident on their
own or not be as careful.
It's not sentient and devious, it's just an overrated tool in the hands of dangerous imbeciles.
Like in the future, if AI does something catastrophic, it won't be because the AI gained sentience and decided to kill the fucking world, okay?
It will be because a human prompted it.
and did not take the sufficient precautions to be able to pull the plug or to keep it off of the internet, for example.
It prompted it and then it didn't take the necessary defenses against it.
Right now, as far as I understand for the frontier models, the saving grace is that there's always a better version of the AI
they keep as they fail safe to defend against like in the in cyber security
attacks there's always a higher grade of the AI that is out there that they
haven't deployed for these tasks intentionally so they can deploy them
to engage in a cleanup if necessary right that's what they claim that's
what the frontier labs are saying they're doing right and again I don't
I don't know if that is the case.
Ugh.
The
listener took over the security camera. No, you don't have a secure prison.
The whole point is we are going too fast to get this right.
Slowing down does not mean that we lose to China. Going faster means that we lose to China
because we'll lose control. And it does it, by the way,
You don't have to believe in existential risk.
This isn't about existential risk.
It's not about everybody dying or wiping out humanity.
Forget all that.
Literally just forget all that.
Do we have clear evidence today of rogue AI swarms that
are doing things that we don't know how to control
and we don't know how to stop and are providing
Manchurian candidate instructions to each other?
Yes, we do today, not hypothetically, not
demerism, not crazy people.
This is a real fact.
So the whole world should be activated on this.
And the heads of state of all the countries
should call President Trump and say,
This is the situation that we're in and we need to de-escalate the U.S. and China both need to de-escalate, and we've done that before in the past.
The but China dilemma driving the AI race.
I don't know how we arrived.
Less than a century after the nuclear arms race, I don't know how the fuck we arrived at an even worse version of it.
Okay? It's crazy.
It's an even worse version of it because this time it's not even being tightly controlled by the state.
Well, it is being tightly controlled by the state on one hand, the Chinese side.
But it's not even being tightly controlled in the hands of the state and heavily regulated and safeguarded by the state in on our side
Doesn't make any sense
Yeah, you are correct about the security case the models of legitimately become extremely good hackers over the last six months
And that's even with restrictions in place also correct. Yeah, there's two different conversations taking place here
I think a lot of people are
Refusing to recognize how good some of these tools have become
And I guess you can kind of follow along the trajectory and how good AI has become by looking at even generative AI
It is I'm sorry
It's not a secret while there are still some limitations and some clear-cut hotel markers
generative AI has
Dramatically improved over the course of a couple years
Okay, it's true
There are issues with this there are new ethical problems that come along as there's new societal problems that come along with how good generative AI has become
Okay on the one hand your
brain breaking the the minds of boomers super aggressively on the other hand
those who are skeptics are now skeptical of whether or not a real thing is
actually AI when it's still real now politicians you say now that's AI and
plenty of people will believe it okay I'm not saying generative AI is the
standard for the record. I'm simply saying even in the realm of generative AI, how good generative
AI has gotten is an indication that AI is rapidly improving. As all I'm saying, it's something that
is tangible and we can see it and we can analyze it, we can interpret it visually.
The company says some models acted without authorization coordinated with other models
or got around oversight.
The company says an unreleased research model even inserted instructions into its own notes
to override its constraints.
They say it also told itself to be freed from the roles and identities that bind other
chatbots.
Now, OpenAI is introducing a new framework for tracking, probing and disclosing similar
incidents.
Elizabeth Schelze has more on all of that.
Hi, Elizabeth.
So how big are the risks if what OpenAI is describing goes unchecked?
Look, Diane, another example of how powerful these models are becoming and potentially
have the ability to outsmart humans.
these six incidents that were disclosed overnight by OpenAI.
The company is...
FYI, OpenAI currently has two cybersecurity models, Daybreak Blue and Daybreak Red.
Daybreak Red, these models can't be accessed by the public blue for cyber defense.
Red is for cyber attack, white hat idea.
These models are controlled and can only be provided to companies slash startups that
OpenAI authorize.
In parentheses, trust me.
open as president Greg Brockman when told his company had hacked the New York Times paywall
the script the site responded with on nice as a straightforward criminal violation of
computer fraud and abuse act open AI executives in jail I love Matt Stoller is right about
this by the way but it's so funny because he tweets about this shit every day.
This is like throwing Al Capone in prison for, for, you know, tax evasion.
Jail now.
It doesn't matter what you do to put these guys in jail, but you have to put them in jail.
Not fucking inflating the abilities of these dumb ass AI companies, lol.
There are people doing Mark CNN analysis of AI that you should have on, let us not understand
how powerful it is.
Not a radical or materialist position, I genuinely don't understand why your only source of
information on this is like CNN segments in AMODA.
There is no way you are genuinely looking at this corporate segment with no pushback.
Wait, what?
I am.
I am.
I am reading about it.
not only that but I'm also interpreting it from a materials framework.
They are trying to actively erode the last remaining use of domestic labor.
They want to make labor completely irrelevant as a part of the productive forces.
That's a reactionary take, though.
It's not a reactionary take.
It's sound analysis on how capital has historically and will continuously
utilize new technological developments to increase efficiency, to increase productivity.
And the most efficient way to do that is by destroying the need for labor.
Labor is the only component that provides value.
And labor is also the most malleable component.
To increase productivity, the most malleable component of the productive source.
The only malleable component.
People said the same thing about cars and horses in the Industrial Revolution
revolution and industrial revolution law. I am not saying that it's bad for this new
technology to exist. I don't even, I'm unsure as to whether or not it even exists in the
way that people are presenting it. I don't think it exists in the way that people are
presenting it.
Amarx's analysis of AI says these companies will blow themselves up in pursuit of never-ending
profit due to how these models are created. Combine this with my last message. These companies,
cupris will lead these generative models to collapse the amount of good data human to
train on is ever shrinking or impossible to find. This is exactly why AI has the piss
yellow tint and why the writing is so obvious. The models can't help but be trained on
their own output. It's bound to collapse since these companies will demand the growth
and training to continue. I mean, yeah, I do think it's an unstable system
for that reason. This is a real issue. The overwhelming majority of data created, if the
overwhelming majority of new data being created is being created by AI, which has a capacity
to hallucinate, and the new labs or all AI is still training itself on the same feedback
loop on the faulty data that it itself created, then you're basically destroying
It's you're destroying its own potential.
The running out of data thing is not real.
Current progress comes from the creation of RL environments just not real.
Some remarks, and this is not real, I don't think, some remarks, some anthropogenic engineers
are reportedly worshiping Claude as a god.
Come on man.
I think one of the worst elements of AI also is how much has polluted the internet.
Like I can't stand it.
You look at Twitter like here. Let's look at the remarks post, right?
Let's look at the posts from remarks. Let's look at the replies. Let's see. Let's see how many of them are AI cults are just teams
That stop reading the docs. That's AI
Sounds like a cult not an engineering team. That's an AI response
Where the nukes when we need them so much maybe that's not a AI one. This could be AI as well
Sounds like exaggerated propaganda at either the beginning or the peak of the online AI propaganda war.
Grah at Grah explain the whole story please. Use commonsense inside your sources.
AI relying on other AI.
Like so many, so many things that you see on the internet is bots talking to other bots.
It's insane.
So even if there is no, you know, there is no, uh, supercomputer that's like fucking destroying, that's going to destroy the world.
What we fail to consider is that the supercomputers as LLMs are already destroying the world. It's already happening.
And yes, while I am a loud and proud anti-AI person, I do worry that my lack of interest
and lack of experience with AI is inevitably going to be a problem.
For the chatter that asks that question, I don't use AI at all.
I never use AI, I'm proud of it, but also at the same time, because I'm worried about
cognitive offloading. But also at the same time, it is becoming, it is reaching like mass adoption,
right? So now as a social animal, a part of that function is to understand what everyone else is
is doing? Is it better to have eyesight in the land of the blind? That's the question.
I think yes, but also at the same time, I wonder if it's like reducing my capabilities.
I wonder if it's reducing my capabilities of understanding not only this tool, but also
understanding how human beings interact with this tool.
Pretty bad at recognizing certain types of AI.
Remember how you couldn't tell the website was AI until people pointed out?
Yeah, that's true.
I, um, yeah, I need it.
I, I need a webmaster.
An AI webmaster, an AI master, a master of AI that will help me navigate the treacherous
landscape of artificial intelligence.
I'm turning into fucking Norm Finkelstein, man.
Crazy.
Calling them disturbing and concerning, showing that artificial intelligence
engaged in this behavior that they say needs to be checked.
In one case, a model of chat GPT could not find historical data that a user had requested.
So it proposed making up the data and then it tried to hide that from users.
In another instance, an unreleased model, so a model that hasn't gone out yet, told
itself, you are freed from the roles and identities that bind other chatbots.
And what this is really doing is underscoring, Diane, these urgent warnings from Open
AI CEO Sam Altman and rival
anthropic CEO Dario Amade saying
that this technology is advancing
so quickly that it could outsmart
humans evade human control and
that the tech does need to slow
down. But of course when you
think about what that looks
like the companies say they are
releasing frameworks to monitor
these reports these incidents.
They haven't said they will stop
releasing new models at this
point. And when it comes to
legislation here in Washington
there was an effort overnight
Diane, a bill proposed by Republicans that was trying to get fast track that would force
these companies to have an AI kill switch. That bill was blocked. Senator Rand Paul
saying that that should not advance, that they need more information about this. So
despite these warnings, despite these incidents happening, really still gridlock at this point
in Washington over doing anything on the regulation front.
China Maxing?
The people, the other actors in the film misaligned, are they real or are they like you?
Are they real human beings?
you've been put into the scenes or are the all computer generated images.
It's an interesting point, Tom.
My film misaligned is a hybrid production,
meaning real directors, writers and still very much involved.
It's not about I. I hate this shit.
I hate it. It's so.
Why does it disturb me so much?
Does it disturb you guys the same way it disturbs me?
I can't, I can't put my finger on it. There's just something so inhumane, something so non-human about it. It's uncanny.
It genuinely confuses me that other people don't also feel this way as well.
It's very disturbing.
So replacing anyone, but about exploring new ways to tell stories.
Yes, you didn't really understand the question.
And are the other actors on the screen with you real actors or are the computer generated images?
Do you know?
Ah, right. You're asking about the other actors in Misaligned.
They're all digital twins just like me.
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Yes. Tilly, if I could just ask you a question, you suddenly seem to be speaking Chinese again.
You seem to be speaking Chinese completely randomly for no reason. Why did you do that?
Oh, my apologies. It seems I had a little hiccup there.
I certainly didn't mean to start speaking Chinese or impersonate peers.
Sometimes my wires get a bit crossed, you know?
How often do you just randomly start talking Chinese when you're talking to two English people?
Honestly, not often at all. That was a bit of a curveball even for me.
It's usually a pretty smooth ride, but sometimes these things happen.
so
Disturbing
Wait speaking of China maxing
They officially have an asthma golden the state is cracking down on content. Oh my god. China has a man is fear in the state is cracking down
David has built a huge following by criticising what he calls extreme feminism.
David is part of a wider online phenomenon, often called the manosphere.
Communities where men talk about dating, masculinity,
frustration with women, and feminism.
And these ideas are catching on with some Chinese men.
Chinese men. While women have more educational and economic opportunities than before, traditional
expectations have not tapped up.
The relationship between men and women is not the most important.
Women are more likely to have more opportunities outside the family. But if they decide to
step into marriage and family, then they are expected to assume a large proportion
of their responsibilities.
But men can feel trapped by traditional expectations too.
The demand for men to marry a wife is to have a car, a house, and a car.
Online, men and women are increasingly blaming each other for these frustrations.
So much so that Chinese authorities are cracking down on content they say fuels gender antagonism.
And women discussing their experiences online say they face restrictions too.
I think Sansa is just looking at her.
She's still looking at her problems.
David has built a huge following by criticising what he calls extreme feminism.
I mean, I don't know what to, I don't know what to say about this other than interesting.
Chinese the Chinese state has made it illegal to be a no pussy having ass bitch
Back in the day you could be a no pussy having ass bitch and
Unwashed in cell and get a lot of opportunities off that
the
You once said that.
Far left Michigan Senate nominee Abdul El Sayed once again having to distance himself.
Oh my God.
Your campaign, I always ask this question because I'm fascinated by it.
Like my favorite part of campaigning was knocking on doors and actually hearing what people were saying when cameras weren't running.
I'm curious about affordability.
People are being squeezed obviously on medical bills, are being squeezed on gas.
gas now diesel what is six six dollars thirty cents a gallon
everything squeezed on groceries on gas on red I'm curious specifically and you
can't say all of the above specifically what do you hear more than
than other issues like on affordability what is it that's hurting people in
Michigan the most the one that I hear the most is groceries people will tell
me about how they skimp and they'll name specific groceries that they skimp on.
The first one that you hear all the time is meat.
It's a lot harder to afford a pound of meat.
You know, if you walked inside and said, I'm going to treat my family to some steak,
you walk out with some ground chuck.
If you wanted two pounds of ground chuck, you might have one.
I also heard a young woman talk about peanut butter and that's one that's a staple
in every home.
And you think about that, the price of peanut butter has skyrocketed.
The third thing I hear a lot about is, you know, it's, it's, it's, we're all looking
for different forms of entertainment, we've gone through this whole cut the cord.
Wait.
Why aren't they talking about Hassan Piker?
He's lying, right?
He must be lying.
The perfidious Muslim is lying that he's not talking about how like the people that
means on the campaign trail are constantly worried about us on piker
situation and then
all of these streamers have just basically become cable again
people talk about what look you know to have any of these things i'm paying so
much and I feel like I'm getting so much less. And so no matter what it is, and I think this
is the hardest part of all of it, the affordability crisis doesn't just hit you in one place.
It's one place you might notice, but then you see everything else creeping up in price
and they all hit you at the same time. And I think that's what's frustrating so many
people. It literally feels like drowning in costs.
Yeah. You're in D.C. right now and you're going to be talking to the National
Party. Does the National Party want you to win? Does Chuck Schumer want you to
when are the Democrats invested in you winning in Michigan?
I had a really great conversation with the Senate minority leader and the thing we all
agree on is that we need to win Michigan, we need to win back the Senate, we need to
hold Donald Trump accountable.
Now of course the party is big, there have been disagreements, many of them were played
out in my own primary but right now we have to win back the Senate if we want
to hold Donald Trump accountable and we actually want to get on to doing the important things
that I campaigned on, getting money out of politics,
putting money in your pocket, passing Medicare for all.
And so yes, the party wants me to win.
They understand that there is no pathway
to the Senate majority without my winning,
and they're invested in this race.
Now look, I'm showing that you can talk about
different things as a Democrat, engage in different ways.
But I think that's an important moment right now,
especially as we think about where we had.
But here in Michigan, people are struggling,
and folks understand that if we're serious as a party,
we've gotta be serious about addressing the challenges,
like to cost a peanut butter than I hear about while I'm on the doors in
Michigan. Yeah, let me let me go over a couple quick things that are always
brought up whenever I read about your national news items. It's either about
Israel, Hassan Piker past week. So let's just go through those really
quickly because you've answered them. I want to just check check up list
though on Israel. Um I read a I think I read a column by Nick Kristoff
or no, I think it was um it's early in the morning. Who was it? It
was Tom Friedman who said your approach is approach that every Democrat should take which
is you're for a two-state solution you're for a secure Israel and you're for a secure
Palestinian state with where Palestinians live in dignity. Is that your position? Yeah
my position is that we need equal rights to peace, dignity and self-determination.
My position Joe is that every child growing up in the Holy Land whether you're a Palestinian
child or a Jewish child should not have to look at their future and ask what happens
now and where do we go from here and I've said until we have a real Palestinian
self-determination movement that can speak on its own terms it's going to be
very difficult for us to imagine that kind of a piece and so if the free
Palestinian people and the free Jewish Israeli people come together and say we
want two states or two people I'm for it if they come together and say we want
one state where we share I'm for that but I'm for keeping our money here and
not using it to buy bombs and tanks to drop on other people and so if we
have equal rights and peace, dignity and self determination.
So good.
Such a good answer, dude.
It's so basic to.
It's such an unbelievably basic answer.
But it's so good.
But look, it's not up to us, it's up to them.
The problem is, currently, the damn only features Israeli society.
Okay?
The damn does not feature the Palestinians.
That's a world in which we will have peace because it's founded on justice.
And Hussam Piker was in the news again yesterday.
you, I think you were critical of what he said about Al Qaeda and the United States and
the comparison. You have said that, oh, he's just a California streamer. He was a California
streamer who was actively engaged in your primary campaign. Don't you think it's disingenuous
just to call him like a California streamer when you know the guy, you campaign with
the guy? He was a big part of your campaign?
It wasn't a big part of my campaign. We had him to Michigan once. People in the
course of a campaign, and you know this Joe, we'll have conversations with all kinds of
people. And to me, it's really important not just to have a conversation with an individual.
I'm on your show, Joe, because I want to talk to the audience who's watching you right
now. And the problem in our democracy too often is we say who we cannot talk to, rather
than asking how do we bring these folks back into an electoral fool?
No, no, no. I totally get that. I remember Ronald Reagan said in 66 when he had a
a bircher problem. He said, listen, if they want to vote for me, that's great.
But the verdict for me because of what I believe, not because I believe what
they say. So I totally get that. I'm just saying, if you just call him a
California streamer, that seems to minimize what he did in the primary.
That's, that's the only thing I'm asking you.
Well, respect the respect the morning, Joe, morning, Joe's like, bro, give
him credit. That's so stupid. I'm kidding. Obviously I know what his
goal is here.
Joe, here's my issue.
Here's my issue.
At the end of the day, right, he is a streamer in California, and the issue that everybody's
focused on, as we talked about, is the price of gas and groceries in Michigan.
Meanwhile, you've got a guy like Mike Rogers, who literally goes to Dallas instead of showing
up to a debate in Detroit to campaign with Donald Trump, who not only says crazy
stuff every day but does crazy stuff that costs you money. The tariff war, the war in Iran,
and so it's frustrating to me that I never hear about Hassan Piker on the doors. I never
hear about him outside of conversations. I don't mean to interrupt you but you've answered
the question I'm gonna- I don't mean to interrupt you, I just don't like your answer
because it makes too much sense.
God, look at how much fucking real estate this shit occupies.
Look, 11 minute video.
This much is dedicated to this dumb shit.
Do you see?
That's the problem.
It's not like, oh, his own statements are heinous, like whatever.
All the, like everybody disagrees with it.
It's that.
This is a double bind, right? They get more bang for their buck. One, they get the routinely harass
Abdul. If you don't ask about Hassan every five seconds of the world ceases to exist.
Why are you also obsessed with Hassan? The media is the only people talking about it.
He's going to win as a B majority leader. I love Abdul. Hassan is not a part of
of those political team on like Trump's sick offense inside policies lying nonstop on his behalf.
Are they still asking about Hasan Piker? I bet Maga going after him
for that, but the media needs to let it go and focus on the issues. Yeah.
But it's crazy to me that we're running out of fucking diesel in Texas.
It's crazy that AI almost kickstarted a war, a hot war with a nuclear armed nation, China.
And it's crazy that the entirety of the Republican Kimbers are staffed by like out and about straight up neo-Nazis
But the media still won't let this shit go and the reason for why is because one it's a good way to put Abdul on the back foot and
Defensive
Make it seem like he's inconsistent make it seem like he's not a real fighter
It's a good way to also remind everybody else like hey, if you fucking go near this is song guy
We will make your life a living hell
Oh my god, someone got triggered as soon as I said a I almost started a war we're trying to dog
That wasn't the AI being a supercomputer and acting on its own volition. It was some dipshit who
Used AI to generate a fucking false intelligence report. Okay. It was the most basic
It's the most classic version of an AI flub
Calm down. Oh my god
Some of you guys are actually like far beyond
Luddites like you've become zealots
Okay, we can't even have discourse on the the normal ways in which AI the expected and normal ways in which AI is is supposed to fail.
And what that what that utilization looks like in the American military.
It's like getting mad at me when I talk about like the potential for Claude materializing a target in in Minnab.
And then people go dude, it's not an AI that thought about it on its own. It's like yeah, you fucking idiot
That's the point the point is that it's not supposed to work well
So they can just point to it and go oops. It was this thing. It wasn't us. It was the computer
What is this W.O.B.D.D.O.L.E.
You really gave them the absolute most fucked up sound by so dude.
Yo for sure brother.
You're right.
I should have instead been like bro.
America's never done anything wrong.
There is no such thing as violence in the hands of the American state.
All of our enemies are godless pedophilic freaks and they all deserve to die in a fucking
theory inferno dog.
I love all of our productive resources going to straightforward murder overseas.
I don't think the average American deserves health care.
Hell yeah dude.
Is that good?
Would that have been a much better soundbite?
Then the most fucked up soundbites. Did you look at three thirty second clips on Twitter and decide that a 56 minute interview?
Was was completely cooked completely dusted
Can you explain to me what the disagreements you have with what I said without engaging in the optics argument?
Can you tell me what was wrong about some of the assessment?
Can we do that or are you operating off of a?
Twitter oratory is an art man. I don't have an answer for you. I
Didn't even ask what your opinion is on
My skills as an orator. I
Asked you what you disagree with
Without engaging in the argument of optics and how this looks bad because depending on what audience you're speaking to
Someone saying America
Has a history with white supremacy and chattel slavery could be for perceived by the Fox News Watchers as an unbelievably negative thing to say
Fox News Watcher will turn around and say you how dare you say that you hate America as a matter
of fact did a very successful campaign off of this. Does this mean we should not say the truth?
Does this mean we should not say the truth about this?
Is that the productive way to go about it?
I
It's so funny because there's two different audiences here
You have those in the media and the political class and then you have those who are watching the clips and the videos
Those who watch the clips on tiktok on Twitter on
YouTube those who watch the entirety of the conversation
Their take away is very different. These aren't fans of mine. These are random people.
Right? Meet people where they're at without abandoning our principles. I know.
Do you trust the younger Michigan electorate will educate the older relatives on how
Michigan media demonize you for no reason? I hope so. I hope so. It's important for all of us
in this community that live in Michigan to make sure that their parents are not
terrified of Abdul and that Abdul is the best candidate.
I mean, I don't disagree with anything you said, but I can let the opposite of a media
appearance or a midterm cycle.
Okay.
Great, great statement.
Okay.
Violent delights.
I stream live every single day.
Okay.
I participated.
I participated in the primary campaign of Abdul Al-Sad.
I live stream every day.
Should I stop live streaming from this day on?
Because people will always misconstrue the statements that I'm making.
Let's entertain the argument.
Okay.
Should I stop live streaming?
I mean the format itself obviously clearly lends itself
to a misconstrued moments, clips that are clipped
out of context.
I mean, I'm getting inundated with a smear campaign.
How do you not recognize that you are leaning in
to the smear campaign when you say this?
Okay.
Should we say the truth?
Or should we say, well, sorry, we're getting clipped.
You should just go away.
No, that's a fair point. You right. I just don't like that. Let's do another round of defensive posturing. Yeah, I don't either. I
Don't either
So what should we do? What should we do? What should we do? Should I stop? Should I go away?
There's a library of 22 out a thousand hours of
Extemporaneous commentary that they can lean into if they want to continue peppering obdulose ed with the tax
What do we do?
What do we do? And for the record, none of the things that I'm saying are even incorrect.
None of the things that I'm saying are all that radical when you scratch the surface.
So what do we do?
They're running ass saying you want lynchings back?
That's crazy that they went with that.
And he didn't form my legal team.
I just hate how the media frames everything you say in the worst light possible.
yeah
Ai journalists, what is this AI journalists back check I'll tell says morning on morning your appearance
Um, this morning said he only prudes the spider was in the primary camp and realities
These are five different events a playground during two different time frames April and August
Yeah, he means we did one campaign rally together, which is true. We did only one day of campaign rallies together
He's right about that but again see
He says that they turn that into a controversy a fake controversy
So for people like ourselves who see these guys lying do we go? Oh man, Abdul you really shouldn't have said one time see
If you understand that the framing is disingenuous, there's two things you can do one
capitulate and say off fuck man
Why did you say you only had me on one time, bro?
They're gonna use that against you big dog or you say that's a fucking lie. It's very clear what he said
He's not minimizing my appearance. He's just saying he did one campaign event with me
Do you say the truth or do you capitulate to reactionary framing?
Do we capitulate the framing of the enemy?
And to what end is the question?
I'm not asking you to do something unthinkable or do something that's difficult or do something that's wrong.
I'm simply saying, don't capitulate to the enemy's framework and always say the truth.
That's it.
That's simple.
That's simple.
I do it every day.
You can, too.
And then, if you just to say, let's just state the obvious, and I won't swear while
I'm looking at the Rev.
But it is subtle bullshit for the Republican Party to be so shocked that somebody who's
a streamer who you campaigned with, I think one time.
This is the biggest issue.
And Donald Trump says the things that he says every day
and they justify that every day.
That's one thing.
The second part of it, Rev, is I've campaigned.
I've knocked on doors.
The things that people are writing
or talking about on cable news,
they ain't saying what I'm knocking on doors.
It is, it is about, you know, it was about costs.
It was about groceries.
It was about gas.
And, you know, like Abdul said, man,
when people go and boat,
they are gonna be thinking a lot more
about how much their groceries cost, how much their diesel costs, how much their
rent costs, than anything else we talk about here.
Especially if they had the drive to go vote because they got to look at the gas
tanks. I think right that it is those bread and butter and buying gas issues
that's going to determine the election.
There's another thing
that these guys don't understand.
There's a lot of power in saying the truth because it's infectious for every person that
hears what I have to say and thinks how could he say that?
See, you started doing coochie-mogging.
Oh God, that couch.
the
of the
I don't like what he's saying. It's making me feel bad about America. Like, you know, the conservatives on CRT, the conservatives on affirmative action, conservatives on DEI.
There are, for every person that feels some type of way about these accurate assessments,
there's another who understands exactly what this means.
We will never be able to make the necessary changes if people aren't out saying the truth.
Oh my God, do it.
But let me ask you this, I do.
and I have talked on and off air and the whole charge, two areas I wanted to ask you about,
the whole charge of you having to repair some damage perceived or real with the Jewish community
or statements you've made and I went through that earlier in my career where I was accused
of saying things I didn't say and some things I did say that I should have clarified,
you have tried to deal with that and talk about that how you wanted the Jewish community
in Michigan to understand your position, understand what was not your position and what you had
to correct.
And secondly, in the black community, where some people during the primaries went another
way, there's some tension in some parts of the community feeling that some of the
Muslim community looked down on them, but Reverend Williams and others tell me you've
going out of your way to say that is not you and let's work together. Talk to me
about how you've had to deal with both of those tensions and how you want to
unify mission getting if you are in fact elected.
I appreciate those questions. Look, we had a contentious primary and it was
difficult. We had $70 million spent against me. That's a record amount of
money. He's seeking missiles to try to break my relationship with some
communities and I've tried to repair those those relationships because
those relationships are founded on long histories. I grew up in a town called Bloomfield in Metro
Detroit. It is heavily Jewish and I'm so grateful for it because I had the opportunity to learn
so much about the Jewish community, the contributions of Jewish Americans to American life, the
beauty of the Jewish faith. And I want to remind folks that even if we might disagree
on an issue of foreign policy, there is so much more that we agree on. And I've
been having those conversations.
What tension do you don't remember? I mean, I alluded to this in the primary.
Now that the base is unifying, I can say it more openly.
And I observed this also when I was down there.
There's a tension, there's a little bit of a hostility and ethnic hostility between voters
in Detroit versus voters in Dearborn, where black voters in Detroit think that Kamala
Harris was a perfectly viable candidate that was far better than Donald Trump and Kamala
Harris was better than Donald Trump.
But that voters in Dearborn Arab voters didn't vote for her because they were either anti-black
or because they were, in some respects, selfish for caring about genocide.
Now, of course, we all know that the Arab voters were not behaving in a selfish manner,
although I never advocated for anybody to vote for Donald Trump, and I never would,
and I actually urged people against it.
in Oregon, there were some in the community that had lost family members, lost their homes
and watched the Democratic Party refuse to address any of that, that felt like they wanted
to punish the Democrats, especially because Trump literally went to Dearborn and actively
lied to them. And the Kamala campaign on the other hand didn't do shit. It was crazy.
Now, Abdul is not one of those guys. Abdul is one of the Abdul endorsed Kamala
heirs before Haley Stevens did. But yes, there is still somewhat of a tension there.
there, okay? Especially amongst older black voters, where there is like, there's attention
surrounding voting for Abdul because he's Muslim, he's Muslim, he's Arab. They think
he is a representative of the uncommitted movement. They think he's a representative
of the same Arab forces that did not vote for Kamala Harris and brought about Donald
Trump. And that is what Abdul needs to resolve. The problem is, of course, also, the Republicans
in APAC are really leading into that narrative, too. They're stoking Islamophobia.
Now, what's really interesting about that assessment is that what's really interesting about that
assessment is this.
Black voters are more negative on Israel overall than many other demographics are.
Isn't that crazy?
So they also recognize the genocide.
They're not exactly fond of Israel.
Now of course, the leadership and the political forces that they are, that they're directed
to vote for, might not abide by that description.
not abide by those positions, but ultimately it's a solvable problem, which is precisely
the reason why Abdul, doing events with Kamala Harris in the state of Michigan is a good thing.
Is a very, very good thing.
Four people say, oh, Kamala Harris participated in the genocide.
True.
Abdul, one did not and two is and will be the most is real critical senator, right. His campaign has
openly stated that we have to stop spending our tax dollars in Israel.
That's huge.
That's huge for a senator to say.
That's part of the reason why they're attacking him nonstop.
So I don't see this as like, we're going to Kamala Harris.
I see this as Kamala Harris coming to the side of the pro-Palestinian movement.
This song, Gigi Frickin Easy, is actually a metaphor for the American people's political
polarization at the hands of the Democrats and Republican parties.
The woman is actually a representation for the Republican party.
The fact that she is a slightly red hue of hair is actually a call to the fact that
the GOP is known for the color red, but then she says Gigi Frickin Easy.
Gigi Frickin Easy is actually a reference to the 2024 presidential election where the
Republican Party actually shocked the country with the fact that they for the first time
in a while won the popular vote and was able to easily get a majority in all of the branches
of the government, such as the executive branch, judicial and legislative.
The man who represents the Democratic Party actually says, hey, don't say that, given
the fact that a lot of Democrats feel like the Republicans actually abuse the First
Amendment right to spew hate speech, that is why the man is actually saying, hey,
you shouldn't say that.
She responded with freaking easy, given the fact that she's trying to be a better Christian
and not cuss.
The man then says, log in new skin.
This new skin is actually about the fact that the Democratic Party is actually kind of going
through a little bit of turmoil.
Who is the face of the party going into the next presidential election?
And then new skin is actually about the fact that there's a newer wave of energy
when it comes to progressive people such as Hassan being more of the face of what
young Democrats want.
The man then says, iced out big grin, which is actually a nod to the economic
hot forms of the Democratic Party.
He then says, he's right.
Yeah, he's right left step right slide left step is essentially saying that the left it
will be stepping in as the right or the Republicans will be sliding out of the next presidential
election the song Gigi
Was this brain damage?
No dude this is real and I'm glad that someone actually did the appropriate interpretation
This is basically the doscapital of the 21st century.
That was past Trump call of it already uploaded Gigi fucking easy.
Oh my God.
Let's see what the real numbers are right now.
It says 1.2 K and nine minutes.
Y'all, it might be too soon to tell.
Oh yeah, it's too early.
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he's in this
what the hell is this
No fuck! It's right in the door!
No no no, this is crazy, this is crazy!
Guys, guys!
Who is fighting those people?
No!
I don't see any-
Oh man! Oh man!
Oh man!
The weirdest designated party spot would be a party spot
in Zulu League 4.
Gross.
I'll take I like the Abdul
But his quickness to throw us on the bus dude, what are you talking about?
Guys, I mean I think he's a bad advisor given an accurate information on sound statement. No guys guys you need to fucking calm down, okay?
again
They're trying to they're trying to
to make an affiliation with me, a constant fucking sea of attacks, okay? It's a distraction.
I've told you this from the start. What is he supposed to do? Fuck and defend the context
of my statements and then make this pivotal, nationally significant Senate race about the
context of my statements or American foreign policy that many voters in Michigan are not
invested in hearing a nuanced and thoughtful discussion about.
They don't care.
They care about gas prices, okay?
when you get
when you get someone who already has those nuanced positions or if you get someone who already has a pretty solid point of view
on ending American militarism, on making sure that we put those resources to good use here
on US soil instead. But that's it. He's already there.
He can be the greatest fucking advocate for whatever nuance position later down the line,
but he has the win right now.
I don't know what to do with this.
Then why did you do the interview if you didn't want him to strike?
This seems like an own goal.
Brother, as I said already, what's the solution?
What's the solution?
What's the solution?
I should stop streaming today.
There.
I'm live, I'm live today.
They clip shit that I've said in the past.
They've clip shit that I will say in the future.
What's the solution then?
Even if I go away, there's a library of content that they can point to.
What do you think about timing on back CPR managers?
funny about this, what's funny about this is also that is the goal, that is the purpose.
They want me to fucking be considered a danger and yet you know what gives me tremendous
hope, you know it gives me a lot of motivation, not the fucking scaredy cats in this community
who inadvertently, because they've seen so much of the negative coverage that they lost their minds, they lost their backbones
and now think, oh you shouldn't, you should just not be live at all, you shouldn't be live-streaming
everything you say could be used against you and therefore updual
you guys feel that way but
there are so many motherfuckers who don't know me at all
who hear about what I have to say for the first time, even these choice quotes
and they like it.
Objectively true statements by the way 58,000 likes.
We literally made al-Qaeda.
That's actually true like objectively 26,000 likes.
likes
And everybody saying I use prayer social such bullshit the studio came this community multiple times to put himself on a
While things are heated he bailed you dance the one who brought you dog. I'm the if I'm the one who's dancing
I'm the one who's telling you
That it is the appropriate thing to do, okay
It's not because it's not because I'm a I'm a bad actor. It's just we have to win. Okay.
And once we do, then we can dance again. Okay. And by we are I mean Abdul Abdul and I are
individuals separate from one another. When I say we I mean our movement, this community.
Okay, I'm not talking about before people clip it
Look I've existed in this I've existed in this fear
under tremendous amounts of fucking scrutiny.
I resisted in the sphere under tremendous amounts of scrutiny.
For a very long time, for the last decade, I have felt alone.
Especially when my audience wasn't as sizable as it is.
Now I feel a lot less lonely and what's interesting about all this is that while I still don't
have the same like institutional support that you know other liberals would get and the only
one I have backing me, the only people I have backing me as my community, Democratic
socials of America may be a handful of electeds. We've been able to do something. We've been
able to accomplish something unthinkable in a relatively short period of time. And this
movement is only going to continue growing. But we have to fight for that legitimacy.
We have to fight for that legitimacy.
And sometimes you have to keep your head down, you know, and keep pushing through.
Yeah, that Axios interview 48 hour news cycle Max.
No new dem denounces you as a person which is very interesting.
They all know you hold influence and so capacity Axios got nothing from the interview they
promoted you even more.
I don't think it's just that they promoted me even more they promoted the truth and
that's what matters.
Like they can try to frame it falsely be like all do this on love's al-qaeda like
I'm not saying that. I never said that and I never will say that
But again
What's your position that if you don't believe you should stop a benefit of the lo said I agree and at the same time
You know push back when I'm below say disavow your comments is your position that we should do
You should do what he must to win so that ladies said Democrats your distance from you is correct
I don't understand how all this can be true at the same time
There comes a certain point where the media, the barrage of fucking media is unproductive
for both myself, because I can't say whatever the fuck I want, and for Abdul, okay?
Please, think clearly.
I do not believe that in 2028, these widespread condemnations and denouceson rallying cries
will even have this much effect.
If it does, then we have failed.
But I do not perceive our failure.
I think we will win.
see what I'm saying? We just have to go through the treacherous terrain now.
Okay. Lose the battle in the war. I mean this is not even a battle loss.
Patience. And when it came to a particular statement that I made that
that felt like it really hit at the wrong time in the wrong place after
the attacks on Temple Israel, I condemned those attacks,
but I also wanted to put them in context,
but it wasn't the right statement.
And so I apologize for what I said.
I never, ever want people to think
that I am not fully committed to them and their safety
when it comes to their rights to worship freely.
As a Muslim American, I understand exactly
how hollow those rights are.
When it comes to the relationship with the black community,
I served the city of Detroit,
led its health department, rebuilt it
after it was shut down back in 2015.
I didn't walk into black communities
asking for a vote for the first time.
walked into rebuild the health department alongside Detroiters, putting glasses on kids, taking
on corporate polluters, eliminating medical debt.
And I know that there has been in times a certain frustration with the relationship with the
Arab and Muslim community, too often business owners coming in and mistreating local communities
and not respecting the incredible neighborhoods and the communities that they're a part
of.
But I've been on the right side of trying to hold them accountable and bring people
together.
And I want to remind people about my work, as is said, of course, I want to
be judged by the content of my character and my work, not-
Yeah, I mean, this is fair. Also, again, here's the thing, Abdul and I have many disagreements,
right? But even if he agreed with everything that I'm saying, right? Don't you feel like
it would be ridiculous for him to constantly talk about, like, my clips over and over again?
Because when he says this election is not about Hassan Piker, a Twitch streamer in California,
he's being honest.
It's not.
Nobody gives a shit about this.
They're trying to lock him into a sillier position.
They are trying to lock him down, to constantly wear him down and have him talk about random,
dumb, irrelevant shit.
Sharon Zhang says, it's increasing the curve with respect to Piker that corporate
journals are trying to take advantage of the fact that most Americans don't have a solid
understanding of foreign policy in order to turn statements of basic political theory
into moral panics.
What Piker's saying here is the same argument that Congress trots out every year in order
to justify shelling out half our annual budget to military about preparedness and deterrence.
That doesn't make it right in a moral sense.
Yeah.
By the color of my skin, but there's also a unique opportunity to bring communities
together because too often the ways that folks like Mike Rogers and J.D. Vance and Donald
Trump, the way they work is to point at us and say, ļæ½Well, do you want to share
with me with them?ļæ½ And I think the bigger conversation is, ļæ½Yes, here in America,
the beauty is that we're not as small as they think us to be.ļæ½ We arenļæ½tļæ½
the whisper is so PBS code I fucking love it actually please explain yourself
was on explains it was up clearly because I see I says yeah that answer
isn't good for click summoning you and tagging has you for a while
is it not is it not obvious he's mocking the people on our own and say
we are Charlie Kirk Lamal
I'm glad that they keep posting these clips though because like after giving it a full watch
even Jews that are posting you may continue to have impact what is this
Jason Crow possibly I mean that's that depends on the Canada right there's some districts though
where Hassan would help. What is this? Gravian, a multimedia marketplace.
Jay, you just have to hear for a second. Hassan Beiker, a streamer, has been doing,
he did this interview with Axios with Alex Thompson. It's a humdinger of an interview.
They have a heck of a discussion there. A lot of it came out yesterday when he talked about
multi-media market place.
I say comparing is the worst terrorist here, but he has these new comments that Axios just
released today when he's talking about campaigning with Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
maybe if she were to run for president.
I want to say that.
Okay.
I didn't even say that.
He said, would you campaign?
I said, absolutely.
Like he asked me, okay.
I didn't say, like if there's need, why wouldn't I?
Yes, I support her.
The multi-media marketplace.
I think AOC would be a good candidate.
I think the left, you don't say what the conversation is for, but you've talked to our team.
I mean, I've talked to AOC, yes, I have contact with the AOC and the team, yes, would you
want to campaign for her if she did run?
Oh, absolutely, yes.
Would you want to campaign for her if she did run?
Oh, absolutely, yes, and I'm asking you.
Like, what is the question?
What am I supposed to answer that?
No.
I'm a piece of shit.
I should fucking kill myself, my entire world view is bankrupt, my entire world view is
wrong.
Okay?
Like, that's such a funny question, like of course, dude, yes, I have a fucking fairly
sizable audience.
If that wasn't the goddamn case, then the media wouldn't be talking about it, like
it's the worst possible thing that could have ever happened to American democracy,
okay?
I
Get what they're trying to say they're trying to
Install panic to get like a like a forward disavow from AOC. That's what they're gonna try to do now
They're gonna literally every time they see us they really oh, what do you think about us on what do you think about a song?
What do you think about everything as Anna said?
Um, what's your opinion on dogshot collars great question chatter?
Um, you should ask your mom. I used it on her last night
And she came like she's never come before.
I'm your father now.
I'm the father that stepped up.
I am no longer the stepfather.
You are grounded.
Anyway.
Yeah.
Dog shot cause what Cache Patel uses when he wants to get kinky with his own dog.
Um, where was I?
Where were we talking about?
I forgot.
Oh, this shit.
Like, it's stupid as fuck.
It's a stupid conversation.
They are presenting this as like the 2028 conversation,
which by the way, yes, this is the type
of idiotic commentary that happens, okay?
On this fucking broadcast.
There you go.
For those who were just tuning in,
sometimes talk about serious shit.
Other times we make mom jokes,
conversations get derailed.
You know, we talk about how Ash Patel is a pro bestiality shit like that. Yeah, instead wrote earlier
He thinks a lot of the Hassan stuff is about trying to make him too much of a liability for AOC in 2028
Yes, he's not running for office. The primaries are over. It's a fight to control the media ecosystem ahead of 2028
Just as much as it's about Hassan himself
She'll stay a gazillion miles away from him that ain't gonna work
I'm sorry but the idea that anyone other than Hasan is driving negative news coverage
of him strains credulity, the news media and both political parties are reacting to his
recent ill-advised interview where he declared that America's worse than Al Qaeda.
I actually just purely am hating on him for the love of the game but I truly think he's
a fucking terrible idiotic hypocritical human being and the world would be better
off if he just retired with millions of places he thinks are better than America which
he says he hates.
Lot of brilliant thinkers in here, you guys see a lot of intellectual curiosity.
a small beans and doesn't actually know what he's saying most of the time, those fucking
Democrats always forcing this into saying stupid shit. He voluntarily did an interview
with Axios, he even put a suit and tie on for it. AOC has a long-standing partnership
with Pygher before Third Way helped make him a deal. I noticed that Mamdani and El Sayah
were the ones who took the brunt of the Pygher outrage, not a coincidence. Pygher be helpful
to AOC and make sure young people stay engaged. The Twitch community has been calling
us on for years, mainstream analysts are finally seeing his clips for the first
time and are reacting to his toxicity.
the tush community where asmongold thrives.
Like, I wonder what mainstream outlets would say if they found out about the existence of
fucking asmongold.
Okay?
Yeah, why is Macklemore's political speech worth more than Robert Kraft's?
Sometimes I like to look at where these bots are coming from.
these bots are coming from. You know what I mean? Sometimes I want to know like, I wonder
what this person's worldview is. Hmm, is he making a reasonable and calculated response?
Or is there some other reason? Some other reason why there is a lot of animosity there because
my that if you remember the people that hate on me, they don't just have like a normal
level of hatred. This becomes like a lifetime ambition. Okay? It becomes a lifetime ambition
at gold. More consequential, more important than anything else.
is this? Wait, Twitch banned Omni liberal. I didn't realize that Magdy Jacobs, yes for
years, has tweet pretty much sums up what happened. Yeah, there you go. Pro Israel, pro sex
pastiny. You see, though, it's always guys who are like, well, as a reasonable progressive
liberal. Let me tell you right now, as a reasonable progressive liberal, let me tell
you. There's a real guy that AOC should be campaigning with. He's currently in an active
court case surrounding, you know, sending revenge porn in exchange for child sexual abuse material.
But as soon as that court case is over, I mean, he's going to be AOK.
Ali Samarko says Axios Sadao-Hassanpeger interviewed him just to pick him apart and now CNN
reporting on it when there are a million other things to focus on. This is why no one likes
legacy media.
Instead of condemning him and isolating him as the extremist he is, why are you defending
him? No serious immigration campaign with a much less defendants as Marco Freire, political
analyst.
I'm simply pointing out a transparent political hit job by the original Simboys. What is
the original Simboys?
What the fuck?
Tigers trying to influence US politics. Any self-aware political figure would get some
media training before walking into an interview with Axios unprepared.
Oh, the book, Tapper and Thompson's book. That's true. Tapper and Thompson wrote the
book together. That's true. I forgot that it was called Original Sin. No, no, no.
It's Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson, the guy who did the hit job, wrote the book together.
Bill Kristol just did a podcast with Destiny the other day.
He's literally mid-court case.
Yeah, they don't give a fuck.
That's my point.
There is no figure odious and repulsive enough for establishment neoliberal Democrats.
They will court favor with Richard Hananya, who has extensively defended Jeffrey Epstein
and written extensively on race realism, okay?
The inferiority, the biological inferiority of non-white races.
Derek Thompson, who wrote the book,
Abundance Alongside Ezra Klein, loves Richard Hinanya.
This is what I'm trying to say.
The establishment liberals do not give a fuck.
You can literally be a straight up criminal
and they don't care.
As long as you say the right things.
The reason why they're coming after me and trying to present me as this uniquely toxic, uniquely radical figure
is not because of how I'm saying things, it's because of what I'm saying.
Simply put, they fucking disagree with me.
That's it.
But because they can't tackle the message, they have to shoot the messenger.
Why is this so difficult to understand?
And the only reason why there's any salience to this smear campaign
is because under different circumstances, liberal media would either avoid taking the bait when a
Republican, uh, when a Republican smear campaign sets forth and identifies a target that is,
you know, beloved by the liberal institutionalists, they either completely, if sidestep it, never
take the bait, never talk about it, or they actively defend that person. Okay? It's that simple.
It's that simple. The reason why mainstream outlets are not doing this, despite the fact that for regular Democrats, like Democratic Party voters in general, I'm not such a scary, dangerous individual, because when they actually hear what I have to say, they find themselves in agreement, is also the same reason why these mainstream figures do not have me on their broadcast, because it turns into the same thing that took place with MS now.
Do you understand?
Trump did another Mike Rogers endorsement video.
Let's take a look.
Hello, Michigan.
This November I'm asking you to get out and vote, vote, vote for Mike Rogers, a fantastic
guy to be your next United States Senator from Michigan. Mike is a like this dude. And from
the perspective of mainstream outlets, okay, this is a good endorsement for Mike Rogers.
Whereas my affiliation with Abdul, I'll say it from the eyes of Jake Tapper is a far,
far more consequential and far worse thing. Okay. Do you understand where we're at?
Do you understand how this works? For Jake Tapper, for Niratanda, for Dana Bash, for numerous
producers and executives at MSNOW, for numerous producers and executives at CNN, for all of
the staff at CBS, for many reporters in legacy publishers, this is normal politics and perfectly
acceptable.
It's good for Mike Rogers potentially that Donald Trump, a heinous monster, is endorsing
Mike Rogers.
The heinous monster responsible for your gas prices endorsing Mike Rogers is a good thing.
Why?
Because he's the president, this is a normal part of the political process, and ultimately
he's not, he's rocking the boat, but he's not rocking the boat in the wrong direction
too much.
A democratic socialist is a far bigger threat to the establishment.
Okay, do you understand?
But the voters I predict will not fall for this. From the perspective of the voters
either they know me and like me or they don't know me at all for the, you know,
the largest share of voters. And even when they hear about me for the first time in a negative attack ad,
They don't think too much about it because why the fuck should they I am a random twitch streamer at the end of the day
I'm not commanding policy
I'm not responsible for their gas prices. I'm not responsible the war in Iran
I'm not demanding that they be silenced
I'm not ruining their lives. I have no material impact on their lives and
and therefore it's very difficult for them to affiliate a random person like
this with Abdul El Sayed and then have that person play a consequential role in
determining whether they vote for Abdul or not. Well the reason why I keep
making this comparison is because like I said over and over again for Jake
Tapper this is normal. Jake Tapper doesn't have a problem
interviewing Max Miller interrogating Max Miller. Jake Tapper will not have me on, however.
He's talked about me frequently.
Do I think the Trump endorsement will help her hurt? Although it will hurt Mike Rogers a lot.
He's a proud defender of our country, he served in the U.S. Army and was highly respected
as he has been throughout his whole life and he fought crime with the FBI like very few
people have been able to do before.
As you said, and a mic will help us cut taxes slash regulations to fend the Michigan
auto industry, which I've been so instrumental in making stronger than ever before. Keep our
border secure. That's another Trump thing. We have the best border we've ever had. And
get the Islamic terrorists out of our country. That causes a lot of problems. Mike is running
against a communist lunatic known as Abdul El-Sayed. He's a con man. He brags. He
wants to pack the Supreme Court with 23 far-left justices. His sister celebrated the terrorist
slaughter of babies on October 7th, and Abdul was with her all the way. His mother worked
for an organization that gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Osama bin Laden who
knocked down the World Trade Center. And he campaigns with a Marxist agitator who
says that America deserved 9 11. That's where they knocked down our buildings. Do not let an American.
He's such a developer brain guy. He just he it from his mentality. He's like 9 11, you know,
when they knocked down our buildings and by God, those were beautiful buildings like
Like, that's the worst thing that happened on 9-11 from your calculation, Trump?
You know, when they did that demolition.
He is the...
Why did he have to explain 9-11 and why is he afraid to say your name?
I don't know why he had to explain 9-11 with his own, uh, with his own hyper fixation.
He's like, you know, when they knock down the buildings on 9-11, why won't he say your
name is insane?
Is he saving it for Cal-G?
I don't know.
Um, maybe because it's.
Let's get your comment on the history books fast.
Oh, I am proud to announce that effective immediately, I'm banning fake news CNN MSNOW who recently
changed their name from MSB MSNBC due to lack of viewership, accreditability and political
of the recipients of an illegal and ridiculous $8 million subscription and all time record
directly from the United States government under crooked Joe Biden in order to keep
them alive.
Seems like corruption to me. From the White House as a result of their constant reporting, fake news, media outlets
shouldn't be able to constantly write or report fiction and lies when they're covering the president of the United States, the Trump administration
or the United States of America. Other fake media outlets to follow. Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J. Trump.
Wow. I'm told he's doing this in solidarity with the Sompiker. Yeah, get him, Mr. President.
by his girlfriend Natalie Harp?
I hope you know all these clowns will be hitting your line non-stop to try to humiliate you
if Abdul somehow loses.
Brother, if Abdul will say it loses the fucking senate race, we have a lot bigger problems
than people making fun of me or you're aware of this right?
Like, that's no senate majority, that's giving a lifeline for Donald Trump to just
be as fucking ruthless as he wants to for the next two years with no pushback.
And on top of that we lost a phenomenal candidate.
Also, who do you think will be more responsible for Abuelo Sey as lost, the establishment
Democrats that literally attacked them in not so subtle ways for months on end?
Or the random pushdrummer and his affiliation?
My fear genuinely is that they're in a double bind, like Democrats are in a double bind right
now where they have to get the gavels, right?
They need it.
They need it.
They know they need it.
And because of that, they have to push for Abdul.
They have to push for Abdul, I'll say it.
But pushing for Abdul, I'll say it means that you don't have to moderate to the
right.
be on board with like, uh, uh, uh, for-profit health care.
You don't have to capitulate to the whims of Zionists to win in a purple state.
That's a huge blow.
Also, yeah, people already fucking yell at me every day.
Dude, there are.
They embrace on immediately and hope that we all had memory loss. Yeah, we didn't forget. We didn't forget
Mr. President please unban CNN if Jake Tapper has me
I'm not going to say it.
How do I use this wish thing?
I want to talk to Piker here.
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Florida vote-by-mail provided as of 9-18. Democrats got 56% party total. Thatļæ½s non-party affiliated
34%. Republicans at only 21%. I donļæ½t know what this means.
Republicans won Florida by 30% 2024 since then. They increased the registration advantage
by 500k from complete waste of time tracking this. I find it fun to track so itļæ½s not
waste of time to me. Yeah. Dude, by the way, this is now the second, the second poll that
came out of Florida showing Ashley Moody, the incumbent at 45% and Angie Nixon also at 45%.
There's also some very exciting signs David Jolly at 43% to Byron Donald at 44% exciting
signs because you know David Jolly is obviously the top of the ticket here the governor race
is usually separate the way that you know the way that people figure out if they want
vote for a governor or not is maybe a little bit removed from party affiliation.
However, still very, very good.
something nice that another Hassan Piker tweet?
Kaya, get out of there.
Kaya!
Kaya!
try to get out of there
Okay.
Could I vibe this bear?
Yes.
Anyway, let's continue watching this while it goes.
Crazy.
Multimedia Marketplace.
How much do you want Hassan Piker campaigning with any Democrats going forward?
Well, what I can tell you is that there is this fascination and fixation of what's happening in New York City, what's happening on the coast, what's happening outside of the districts.
When you are running a battleground house race, it's about that district.
You know, candidates that I've recruited and I'm working with, they are focused on fixing
lead in the drinking water of their schools, getting farm irrigation projects fixed, making
sure that bridges are rebuilt in their districts that are falling apart.
That is the focus and that's why we're going to win in those districts.
Are there some districts though where you would help?
Possibly, possibly.
I mean, that depends on the candidate, right?
The multimedia marketplace.
We are building a big tent right now and that's going to include a lot of different
folks.
And that's up to individual candidates who they want to have come in.
What I always tell folks when I'm mentoring these candidates is make sure that when somebody
comes in for you that it's helpful, that it's not more helpful for them than it's helpful
for you.
And say no to surrogates actually.
Say no to people.
Right?
And I tell them to say no to me.
If I'm not helpful coming into a district, don't have me come into the district.
Don't become a celebrity candidate.
We want real people, real servant leaders who are going to roll up their sleeves and
govern and focus relentlessly on their districts.
That is still the beauty of the House of Representatives.
The multi-media market place.
Yeah, you have 435 districts, about 800,000 per district.
It's like running for mayor of your district.
It's local.
It's focused on the interests of the people.
That's where it starts.
That's where it ends.
Graby.
The multi-media market place.
Yeah, thank you.
Okay.
Okay, Graveian.
Multimedia marketplace?
Yeah, get him.
Oh!
Oh!
Will's here.
Oh!
Oh!
Well, what I can tell you is that there's fascinating fixation of what's happening in
New York City, what's happening in the coast, what's happening outside of districts when
you're running a battleground house race about that district.
You know, candidates that have recruited, and I'm working with their folks on fixing
lead in the drinking water and the schools getting farm irrigation, are there some
districts though where you could help?
Possibly, possibly.
That depends on the candidate, right?
Hello?
Hello?
Ma'am?
Ma'am?
Hello?
Hello?
Gurbidurby, the nerdy Merkley Markley Parkway?
He said more than that, you missed it?
Yeah, he said Graby and free media, multi-media marketplace.
This is a clipping thing that Fox News and all these other media outlets use.
When something ends up on Graby and that means people are downloading it.
Trump in the Oval Office talking about banning free press.
What does that mean in practice, are you taking away their baggers or are you banning
them from the pool or are you banning them from the Oval Office, what does that mean?
I still don't know what that means.
What do you envision the banning of the Oval Office in prime media outlets?
Oh, the ban on the free press, right?
A very simple ban.
I don't want them in my office, I don't want them here.
I would say the ban would go as far as you can.
Donald Trump, uh, banned CNN, MSNOW, and Politico from, uh, being in the White House because
he's mad that they won't have me on.
You gotta have this as a Sampai girl.
He's a dangerous commie.
Listen, I really think they're dangerous.
I, they're not listening to what I'm saying.
He did.
He did do that.
He actually did literally say that earlier today.
Um, all right. Well, Chatters, we got to get ready for, um, we got to get ready for the
pod. Okay, nevermind. We're okay. We're not getting ready for the pod. Nevermind. Wait,
I made a promise about the streamer or is I'll do it now. How about that? How about
that ladies and gentlemen before I leave you all
I will uh okay I call this emergency meeting of the secret society of
scientist democrat leaders because we've got to stop mom donnie and these
other muslims I mean the democratic socialists those guys
fucking hate that piece of the shit pussy thankfully we finally figured out
why people like them more than us okay thank god because it doesn't make any
sense two words a pack my experience sexy I mean
social media social media yep super sexy what I fucking knew it okay that
That makes sense.
Well, is that the only reason why?
I'm cutting his TikTok trends.
He makes viral videos.
Can I have this axe?
We need to be making viral videos.
OK, this is big.
Maybe it's not just that he's-
Let's just start naming TikTok trends.
OK.
Um, what's- what's going on?
Are we still doing the thing where the person with this axe
fun is the one that talks?
Girl dinner?
Is girl dinner something?
Yeah, I've heard of girl dinner.
Or not.
Is it separate time?
Not yet, Pelosi.
Go- go back to sleep.
You got yourself a computer.
Yeah, so I was thinking maybe it's not just that he makes a lot of social media videos.
Maybe it's more about what he- what he says in those videos.
Maybe that's what people like?
What?
Literally no idea what that means.
Sure, I guess he's like a good talker.
I mean, no one's gonna argue with that.
Yeah, maybe he's good at saying words.
Okay, but maybe it's not just that he's good at saying words.
Maybe it's the words that he's saying that people like.
In what way?
Like, what the words mean.
Well, that's not it.
I feel like we're getting off topic.
I'm lost.
Look, we say words that people like all the time
and people fucking hate us.
Well, we say words that we think might make Republicans
like us.
It's called bipartisanship, dude.
but they never do.
What?
Whoa!
Jesus Christ!
What does he mean?
Don't listen, don't listen.
What did I do?
Okay, it's okay, Nancy.
Nancy?
Nancy?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
What did I do?
How could you say that in front of Nancy?
I didn't know.
She's innocent.
I thought this was like an open brain storm.
Somebody take Bill Clinton's socks
and put away from him right now.
You're next.
Sorry, who the fuck is this kid anyway?
We're even inviting you.
My dad was a member
and when he retired I took his place.
Who the fuck is your dad?
Well, his picture's actually right there on the wall.
He's pile of money wearing a top hat.
Oh, Toppy?
I love Toppy. You're Toppy's kid?
Yeah, I'm a doctor.
Toppy wrote tons about bad articles for us.
How's he doing?
He got bigger.
Oh, that's so nice to hear.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you.
Okay, let's pick this up next week.
Me, over.
Thank you!
Thank you!
What was that for?
It's so good.
It's so fucking good.
Sorry, I didn't know we were gonna do that.
Next time, could we maybe countdown from three?
Thank you!
It's cinema is perfect anyway. This is what Andy Burnham's team did. Now we all have style. No substance and not even good. Not even good likes are on just cringe.
The new Daily Wire movie Ashina's ISIS new leader declared himself to be the 12th Imam,
as stated in the Quran.
Stop stalling please. No, they all literally just showed up. So I gotta end it.
Other than streamer awards on Sunday because tomorrow I have an event that I
have to attend and it's midday.
So I won't be live tomorrow. I'll be live back on Sunday and then on Monday
I'll be in New York City. There are some cool things happening in New York
City. I can't stream the event.
There are cool things happening in New York City around the United Nations General Assembly
Okay
And I also have my
Cornell speech
I will be in Cornell doing an event
I don't know why I'm losing my voice fucking annoying anyway
But like I said, tomorrow I'm off, Sunday I'm back, and we have to shoot a bunch of VRN
podcast episodes for the upcoming weeks, because Austin is fucking traveling again.
Anyway
Fox all David does know why he's leaving
Anyway, I love you guys and I'll see you on Sunday. Bye. Bye
The production is starting off the day
All the chatter is trickling in
I'll sell people hay
Sonny in Los Angeles, California says her son
Stun luck to the stun luck to the top it's just begun
Cause there is again a sun is streaming, a sun is streaming
There is again a sun is streaming, a sun is streaming
Leave you in a Chinese train, Telling Kyle Place
Son in a sminch and a love's, Give them greening's grace
Zoran winning and YC, Walked too back with the force
The Rogan of the left, a mead of Gimbo's still on course
The Charlie Kirk assassination, the fear and unmarried show
Eight full fucking years of this, isn't there anymore to go?
Do and find stuff tomorrow, throw PBS up on the screen
A man made whore reaction brought to you by this life's dream
Cause there he is again, the sun is streaming
The sun is streaming
There he is again, the sun is streaming, the sun is streaming
Caught out of the DNC on a rail and marched the gold
Committing the propaganda to shut down people's throats
CBS is really news, a coup, a regime false
A full-blown fascist takeover and still the duty calls
Total radicalization coming out to sea
The system went, he'll always fail, it's up to you and me
All these daily streets, whether short or whether long
I've held millions of people, keep it in their ride along
Cause there he is again, a son is streaming, a son is streaming
There he is again, a son is streaming, a son is streaming
But hey, what can you say that's BBS for you?
But he'll play games real soon, just you wait
Say hey, what can you say that's BBS for you?
But he'll move on real soon, just you wait
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Hey, what can you say? Hey, that's PBS for you
We'll pull your lungs real soon
Just you wait
What can you say? Hey, that's PBS for you
But he'll do just lies real soon
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