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Players will have to get prepared for the first beam.
Very, very easy ability, the beam to be honest.
It's one of the easier ones of this fight.
Though it's a deadly one, but very, very easy to dodge,
especially when you have Roars.
You can see sides tapping into the right,
so there is less movement, people can mid-max damage.
Because obviously if you get caught on the wrong position,
then you go to run with it,
and it's really bad for mid-maxing damage, right?
Or healing and stuff.
So you always want to make sure that you reduce
the amount of movement you have to do,
which in the long term will make you gain
some deepness for the rate, right?
Anyways, next set of crystals, dodge those glaives,
grip them in, heal them up,
and we're going to the second set of glaives.
When things get a bit more spicy,
let's hope they manage to get through it,
get in between so you don't get hit by the first hit,
which is, as I mentioned earlier,
the first hit of the glaives
is the one that one shots you, generally,
and the ones that come from the spinning ones,
or the ones that come back,
how you wanna say it,
they don't actually one shot you,
So with a personal cooldown, you're generally going to be able to survive it.
Second set of memory gains, this one goes counterclockwise.
Positioning seems on point, so we can get through it.
Yes, Blade going through the raid, together with the beam.
This one beam is clockwise, but everybody sets it properly so that there is less movement involved.
It's been maxing the damage, very, very important because every small percent counts in this five interrupt adds.
You can see the intrap is going through, not going through the intrap being done properly.
Yep, this is our tough grip set here. These crystals, this is the ones that are dangerous.
We have a couple of them out from the group. We're gonna have to focus damage on those to get them down.
It's gonna be really tight here. It's got 33% net cast. Can't finish her. We'll wipe the raid.
That was very tight. We did lose.
That was very tight. Yeah. We didn't get it. We didn't get it. Okay.
That's tough. That's the adjustments we had to make when we swapped off the Blood Death Knight to the Guardian Druid as being able to get those knocked in.
is some RNG involved in it because they don't always spawn in the same pattern in the same spots
So that that can contribute to some some p1 headaches, but we've mostly got a solution for it. So we're
We're going through here and swapping to the bear is going to just make it so much easier in those later phases
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We have 20 minutes left.
Yeah.
Or was that was next after us after us, I believe I'm not looking at schedule.
But I'm pretty sure it's tactics and Krista. They seem to be the the duo that closes out every day. Oh
Is the tactics also from?
Same yeah, yeah tactics is tactics and I are both from Canada. I think Krista is American
She is okay as the tactics and I both from Canada
He's also East Coast. He's not as East Coast as I am but he is also East Coast
I actually have no idea where crystal lives. I always just assume Americans are all West Coast
But I probably not I should probably also not docks all of my fellow cast is on stream. So
Yeah, but they'll be filling in they were coming in after us
That's why we're gonna see some pp4 pulls
So we expect it's gonna take a couple of p4 pulls to have this problem figured out
I do want to have one question is the server time in US servers if goes for West Coast
So it's different. It's the servers in NA are regional. So there are East Coast servers.
There are central servers and there are West Coast servers. So it depends on which server
you're on.
You just go for the best ping on paper, but then obviously if you're playing in top
kill you just go where the kill plays basically.
Yeah, unfortunately, yeah, it's exactly it. So for me it would be better to connect
to a server like Bleeding Hollow or Thrall. Those are East Coast servers. I think Area 52 as well
is an East Coast server. But my guild is based on a central server. So my ping jumps from 41 normally
to 72 when I'm enraged with my guild. And then West Coast servers will be even more. I actually
have pretty good ping when I connect to EU. I only have 112 from here to EU. So I actually have
have better pain to EU than I think I would do a West Coast server.
To be honest, wow, up to like 100, you shouldn't really affect your performance,
but above 100, then it can get a bit tricky, you know?
Yeah, yeah. We had players from South Africa when I rated EU for the last couple of years.
We had some players from South Africa who were playing at like 250, 212, 250, and yeah,
they were exceptionally good.
They were some of our best players on their team, which maybe speaks more to the rest
to the team and it does.
Yeah, then there would be even better without that being here.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yes, we don't.
So in the EU, everybody says, oh, we're
going to go by server time because I think all of the servers
are in CEST.
Is that correct?
Yes, everybody.
Yeah.
Yeah, so it's easy.
EU could say, hey, we're going by server time.
And then it doesn't matter what time zone you're in.
As a player, you just go by server time.
But unfortunately, in NA, that's
harder to do because there's just a wider spread.
So yeah, I make sense. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in you, you only have like three time zones kind of you have a UK time, then central European time and then in the slaving, some of the Slavic countries are one hour ahead.
But I think it's more like Romania, Bulgaria, these ones, not all of them. Then obviously, Russian servers are one thing of their own. But if you play from Russia, then you're still gonna have pretty acceptable being maybe like 80 or
something so nothing too bad you know the are the server the servers of
regionals Kazakh Kazakhs the Russian server is that correct the classic one
so what for retail for retail is the one in Russia yeah no no
Kazakhstan is your VM the one of the biggest ones in Europe actually I
would say historically TV gives had a lot of telling me obviously PC neither
Kazakh and those were the servers with the best European gears in the past years
Okay, okay
Very cool very cool. We're in this poll termination protocol going out
We're gonna get these kicks in place here 15 kicks happening in a very
I don't know if I need to have one crew but it's also rainy almost dying and it dies despite that
This is the one next just don't see the reasons and go next. Yeah, we don't have another battle
Whereas unfortunately we reset, we reload, we go again.
I should tell, it is in fact, tactics in Krista replacing us.
Not, not a surprise, not a surprise.
Great combo, they've got a lot of shifts together this tier, so they've been able to really
build that chemistry and it's really fun to watch them as they go through the mechanics
of the fight and the analyzed poles and his healing or his tanky perspective and her healing perspective
it's a really good time they're my favorite castor duo that we've had that I've seen but in my
defense I haven't seen a lot of early I didn't get to you didn't get a chance to see that my
casting casting it was my favorite caster of the method group in the past years but this time
around he started casting a bit late and obviously there was a lot of splits and also he's busy
very busy with his life of meeting his job and family so yeah but that love is casting.
Yeah he is absolutely dark mark is entertaining and educational he's like
edutainment he's just amazing to watch and he's very quick so he's he can pick things up
and quickly he sees the game very well I am absolutely missing dark mac and we need more
darkmech on the desk if we can get it but like you mentioned he's super busy um it is at work
with his family so yeah darkmech one of the best casters of all time in my opinion for sure for sure
we are going to pull number 450 it has to be a good one for 50 lucky number to the phase four
first set of crystals they get decimated look at the damage when everybody has cooldowns they
They don't survive on other ones getting healed for a set of glazed make sure to get yourself
in between so you don't get hit.
Especially the very first seed is super deadly memory game and see our friend Fethi is targeted
by one that plays in the markers then to the week aura.
What does he have the week for himself?
Fethi's week worse than that.
On the left.
Yeah.
and could mark himself, I don't know.
Yes, they would assign that because they can control that.
Because they know or control healers and who's going to go down.
Okay.
They would be able to say, hey, these are the people responsible for assigning them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're going through the raid, going to make sure to dodge it.
part kept getting a bit lower, but all the goods so far in trap as dying, midnight crystals
spawning, they get ripped in, healing ones are also in the raid, so they should be, let
us say be easy to get up, make sure to dodge those glaze because the second wave is about
to spawn now, and it starts getting a bit more ectic, especially for those people
involved in the memory game, which is about to happen now, this one is the counter
clockwise rotation, we want to make sure to place those in the proper position
otherwise it goes the right to explode. No blade bothering anyone. I would like to
see a bit better camera angle from Fady. Yeah that's what I was gonna say, like
not a big fan of this camera angle to analyze and scan the room of this
glaze, but he managed to make it work beam going clockwise. They make sure to
position themselves so that they can side step it and then just min max
the damage without needing to do too much movement. Next intrap adds. This is our hard set. This is
going to be the one where we have the extra damage adds that have to be brought in. So we'll be using
nox rings and pieces one way in the back. That was an immediate grip on that. So we have them all
clumped under. Really good adjustment by the team there for using their movement down those
crystals and taking them down quickly. Last set of glaives coming out now. This room is
just going to be full of glazes as we get ready for our final memory game yeah
pay this in again let's get this last memory game done and hopefully we get to
see an intermission yeah it goes everywhere here yeah this doesn't seem
the easiest because the slaves obviously are coming back three ways the
spawn simultaneously but everything went good and so far so good everybody is
alive as well we have combat rest available carefully the glaive fading
good job with the side step now they have set positions here we can see their
opposition in themselves around the balls so there is less room to eat each
other with those spikes you can call them spikes but their names start
splinters very very you play by fading to drop that egg or orb whatever you
want to call it otherwise you would have exploded dodge those beans drop
your egg you don't want to hit it with your star splinter pick it back up and
again oh you can see it's making some nice plays here it's getting quite a
lucky it's getting targeted all the time but we can see it's playing very very
good. Perfect POV for from Fady to show us and we're going to
phase two with decent damage on boss it would be better but not too bad.
Everybody still alive no battle res used so we should have a second battle
in about 33 seconds from now and we are getting ready to position for these first beams. These are
going to be to the left of the marks. We're going to drop our crystals just before we have to get
in and do that soak for the split damage. And then we're going to drop these crystals in the middle.
We can see Faithy positioning and dropping it, spreading out and going to run in and quickly
grab them right away. We do see NC go down. We send that battle resume available. The second
one should be up in 11 seconds. We'll have our second battle res. So we can still be
in a good spot here and next set of lasers are coming in three seconds here. These will be right
on the markers. We're going to drop our crystals and then Faithy is going to move in for the shared
soap damage. Crystal down, galvanized cast going off, crystals picked up and now dropping in the
middle for our next criticality cast. We see all of these circles spreading out in this
beautiful pattern here. This is such a great phase to watch and we're moving in between
the markers for this core suck so that we don't get in the way of these beams. They're
Go to hit the boss and one more set of galvanized to deal with before we finish this phase boss's health is looking really, really good. Yeah
You want to make sure to soak those lasers because they do a lot of damage which gets split by the players put your ad arms outside
So they don't explode now be outside of those
obelisks spread your spread properly and go into next phase
Yeah
Yeah, Christos picked up, we're gonna get our next and final criticality coming up here.
This is gonna be the one we're gonna have 18 soaps after this boss is at 53.3% right
now.
This is one of the best pulls for damage, hopefully the manager will do the soaking,
which is a very, very hard task, but the rate needed just fine and we're gonna see
a sub 52% pull I think, which is the first, meaning that they could play the bit saver
just to make sure to get that mechanic done you know having mechanic done and not die but
it's easier said than done you know you can also get better in G with the constellations
first set of soaks uh constellation not bothering them now you're going to the other soak
next set of constellation this one is not bothering them either so very very safe right
now there is a lot of space to move thanks to the uh X being alive and three three of those
Three of those crystals being up gives you so much room to move here, which is really important as well as this as we do this memory game mechanic, we're connecting here getting our last connection on this side and we're going to get ready for our first dark arch angel cast, which is coming up now boss at 35.8% for this cast.
This is really good everybody still alive we do have one be reservable if needed. We're going to move quickly out of this pie slice.
use the GayTree on this one so they're just side steps so then make sure to keep
doing a lot of damage next set of memory gain we can see it being applied now it's
a force for max which makes it a bit harder or is it four yes it is four
still it's still three four of the next one three three four five okay my bad
I haven't seen this face enough you know but yeah constellation going on not
in a bad spot so they can so relatively easy to see if this one is
good RNG. It is quite good. They can soak without issues. Sometimes you can get better in G and then
you're forced to sidestep and then obviously makes the soaking much, much longer. So that's where RNG
is very, very involved in this fight. We're getting ready for this next week. 17% was our market.
We wanted to be after this next cast. We're at 16% here. Yeah, absolutely insane. We are so far
ahead with the damage like 1.5% ahead with the gateway up being used. The crystal
We do have one death, but it's fine.
We should have a combat rest available, right?
We do, yes.
We don't see that combat rest thing on his UI,
but I would expect that we have a combat rest.
I don't think we even need his DPS for now,
so we can still get to 0% without him
if everybody's optimizing the damage,
but we'll see.
It seems to be a little easier.
Now we're going to have one more memory game on this side
after that last soak.
That soak is on the other side.
Here's our memory game happening.
This is so tight. Everybody spread out here.
We're going to make sure we don't touch accidentally.
Diamond going.
Oh, Zyla goes down sadly.
And looks like we don't have any rest
because nobody's using it.
So we're going to have to-
We're going to have 43 seconds for a battle rest.
Oh, and we didn't manage to do the memory game either.
So some of the marks blew up.
It was a very, very good pull.
But we can definitely tell that they kind of got it
figured out up until this very last set
where they've struggled the last few times, you know.
On this last set, despite everything
going to move up until the point,
they still have some issues,
which obviously gets solved with more practice.
I didn't notice when we used the combo resist,
to be honest, must have been on the other side,
because I totally missed it, you know, honestly, but...
Yeah.
Yeah, it had to have been,
because we did have one available heading into that last,
just coming up to that last Dark Arc Angel cast.
But then when, I think it was Sentiso who died,
it was either him or Klaix, I couldn't tell.
I can't remember which one of those two it was.
It was one of those two when they died.
It was not a thing.
Okay, okay, for sad.
I mean, the damage was so good.
We were like 1.5% ahead of the bullet,
of the percent that we need.
But sadly, if things start going wrong,
especially when it's a healer dying,
then it escalates very, very fast into a wipe.
Yeah, well, I like to see the bullets come off.
Yeah, that was great.
Great pull, very exciting.
We had to get to that set.
Like the very last set with five marks and a very tight space, which is obviously the hardest.
You need a bit more practice there.
And then the details will just keep getting better naturally.
You know, with more pulls into that phase, it will continue to get better.
But doing that set specifically just needs more practice.
And yeah, that's what we what do we need to get?
Yeah, we want to see that again.
Hopefully we get another ready check and pull.
We got four minutes left in our cast.
I P4 is what we want to see.
We need a P4 pull from us and hopefully we can get that fingers crossed.
They're having a small discussion right now, probably, but won't went wrong.
Let me see.
Cush offering some input and turning any name plates on, which he had had off.
So that's good.
Definitely be able to see the main plates of the enemies as we fight them.
Yeah, that was a great pull.
That was we're almost there.
Oh, we just propped the dinner break.
We've just procted her so I guess we're not going to go for us, yeah that's okay we can
Yeah, we had a good time and I guess we can do some ad break and cast a swap so I can
also finish my food before I go to my apartment and also my dog came to visit let's see if
if you guys can see me, hey, hey, oh, you heard me.
Hey, look at that.
Love it, love it.
Big boy.
Yeah, great shift logouts, good pulls.
Tees make us a proud.
It's nice to see you.
Definitely some progress and we got almost a 2%
like in few occasions.
Just got to get that last combo done
and totally think we will see phase four today.
So yeah, I think so.
If they're gonna figure it out with anybody,
it's gonna be the next two people
coming up to this desk.
Now we're good luck Charms, Tactics, and Krista are going to be replacing us.
We'll be right back chat after this ad break.
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All right guys, we are back with Noggy to look at the WAGO app and I'm going to be installing
NAR's new UI.
Some things have obviously changed with the WAGO app since WeCore is a no longer a thing.
But the UI import feature is still working and still used by a lot of the big content
creators out there including NAR and we're going to go through the installation steps
here with Noggy to get that installed. So I can see both full installation and what again
do you want to give us a quick rundown of what the difference is between full installation
and expert mode just so people know. Yeah certainly. So full installation should usually be the
correct choice for most players. It is completely modular. You can choose which
add-on profiles you want to install and which ones you don't want to install. Expert
mode is for the experts among you if you know exactly what you're doing or you
only want very specific profiles maybe you only want the LVI profile an expert
mode is probably for you for most people full installation should be the way to
work. All right so we're going to do a full installation and I'm playing on a
14.8p monitor and it's detected that I'm playing hunter so I'm gonna
import the three CDNs for Hunter. And did you want to add any context here?
Yeah, so these profiles, this is the new cooldown manager profiles that Blizzard
added, and they are class specific. So sadly we cannot import them on classes
that we currently not on, so we can only do the Hunter ones right now, but
you can always open up the Vagoryo IPX window with slash Vagoryo in-game
again and update CDM profiles for other classes. Perfect, so I'm going to click
next and here it's asking me which profiles I'd like to install and I want
to import all naturally. So I'm going to click for you next and it's just
reminding me again that the following profiles will be installed so I'm going
click install profiles again. Yeah, this should take care of everything for you.
So in your installation complete, enjoy a new UI, we're going to do a reload.
All right. And with this reload, I should now have the brand new now UI for midnight.
Perfect. It's telling me since I'm in a raid that I'm missing flask,
and weapon. That's awkward. My pet is on the passive as well. Yeah, this looks clean actually.
Looks good. Yeah, so some new features as well. You can see in the top there's a little information
bar with the clock and everything. So that looks kind of cool. I mean I would like to test it out
but I'm afraid these mobs inside the raid are a little bit too hard probably to attack.
what we're going to cut a big one of course I'm getting accurate here I think
the wiping school you got to use the full UI to survive okay that was an instance
that I said looks like nice UI can't even save me in vades guys all right guys
I've just locked on my warrior since my alt and I see the first thing it
pops up here is the waggle app so what do I want to do here know you yeah so
this is a cool new feature that we have for alts.
So because you already have all of the profiles installed,
a lot of add-ons don't actually activate those profiles.
So this is a little helper that we can just
load all of those profiles that are already on your Wow
and set them to it.
And then we should be good to go from that.
OK, we're going to load the profiles from the Hunter.
Then we're going to do reload UI.
Yeah, this should be the UI being done and now if you also want to use for example the
CDM profile from now, then you can open up slash vargo, yep, and now you are in export
mode and you can just install the CDM profiles directly from here, and then you will need
the reload there's a button in the top right and you have all of the CDM profiles on your
warrior as well and UI is good to go. We're still playing in the set last expansion it
seems but we're good to go. I think the UI will more than compensate for that. Well thank
you very much Loggy for showing us how the the WAG WAC works seems to be extremely
easy to download and install UIs and yeah I must admit like UIs are looking I mean
almost as customizable as the Goror Blaster Clansion so lots of good stuff
coming out from the community in regards to all the add-ons and the creators
and everything so yeah we are adding more and more add-ons over time there's a
lot of new add-ons popping up yeah lots of UI packs on the VARGO app
Check it out guys and see you on midnight.
Thanks for watching guys, thanks for the UI now and be sure to check out the WAGRA.
Let's go method.
I'm going to be back.
It's me, Sean.
Oh, that me, Lorgox. Hello. What's up, guys? Welcome back to the method broadcast. Brief,
a little, little brief appearance here of our previous cocasters. But no, it's on tactics
and joined by Krista. We're back for the evening shift. How are you doing?
All right, how are you doing on the spine?
What day is it?
Tuesday.
Yeah, like a true gamer.
What day is it?
I don't even remember.
Yeah, no, it's Tuesday.
We're just before the European reset, of course,
it's going to be happening tomorrow morning.
And we're pushing.
We're pushing.
We're 2%.
We hit that PB today, very, very close to seeing
that mythic phase four, which as we've seen from liquid
and echo is not a super complex phase in itself.
The real problem is getting there
as we are experiencing.
So it's good, I'm hoping we get to see that today.
Yeah, I hope so as well.
It's so far, I try not to come in
with like the doomer attitude,
but so far it does seem like the similar pattern
we've seen where we kind of get those good polls
earlier in the day, but then it starts
to fall flat a little bit.
And there is definitely a different feeling for these players.
And a lot of them have talked about this.
There are different races where when you're playing
and the boss has already been defeated,
there's a bit of like a stagnant feeling.
It's now just kind of finishing it if you can.
There is still a bit of motivation
just because ideally they do still kill it
in the same lockout as everybody else,
but they have a pretty decent sized uphill battle
to be able to finish that with the last four,
maybe five hours that will keep pulling?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, because, yeah, of course,
reset tomorrow morning.
So if they don't get it tonight in the next few hours,
which is the rest of their raid day, of course,
because they're doing a break,
so it's gonna be like 6.30-ish
by the time they start pulling again,
it's gonna be post-reset.
I don't know what the plan is.
I don't expect them to try and go late for a kill or anything like that.
It's probably going to depend on how the pulls are going.
I know we saw a P3 pull just recently at the end of the previous shift, but obviously
there is still a bit of relearning going on because we did see a comp swap come out
where the Guardian Druid was brought in for damage over the blood decay.
Pretty big overall damage swing that individual swap, but it makes your P1 a little bit
harder because you don't have the backup grips for that third set of crystal
spawns, which has a lot of variants depending on where they are.
So you have to start using knockbacks to try and get them in properly.
And it's just not as clean as if you had a third decay for grips.
And we are seeing a couple of wipes happening there because of that.
Yeah, that's the same thing where, especially now that we've gotten,
like to see the full Phase 4. We can pretty concretely say that Phase 1 is the most difficult.
And it is where, of course, we would disproportionately see the most wipes there because it's the first
phase. But if you were just to have a standalone sort of in a vacuum simulation, you would
be able to see that Phase 1. It just takes the most coordination. It has pretty much
the most of everything in there. You have to use your utilities, lots of overlaps and mechanics,
and making sure you are pushing as much as you can. At least there's not an individual,
like, phase one push that you have to make, but it's definitely very difficult. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because imagine if on top of that there was a tight DPS check to reach,
like, I mean that was kind of like the beller and eggs, right? Like you had to do all the
mechanic juggling and then when you finally got to the beller and egg phase you had a very tight dps
check so luckily i mean the dps is still tight like to be fair right like because technically the
boss health is uh like all the damage you're doing p1 is relevant to your p3 dps check because
the boss health is just static the whole the whole fight so more damage in p1 does mean
easier to reach the mythic phase. So it's a balance, right?
Yeah, it definitely is. And I mean, it is pretty rare to see comp swaps happen, like this late in
a fight. So that does give you an idea how tight this timer is for the enrage. So it's like,
you'll see some swaps happen kind of in the beginning as you figure things out. But like we
It's pretty rare to see them at the end there, especially just swapping out a tank as well
It's not even trading like a DPS for a different damage dealer
It's trading some of some utility for more damage on another tank. So
It's pretty interesting pretty cool
But this is likely what they're going to end on
Composition wise can't really see any changes being made from here because
because it's pretty rare that their wifes are due to classes.
It's almost always like mist soak, mist kick,
something that's basically.
Yeah.
Yeah, and again, we saw like some kind of comp variations
between the guilds were obviously again,
liquid opted to go for the Guardian Druid
to bring in that damage.
Echo opted to keep the blood DK
and instead run double disc to have to find
that additional damage.
So we're instead of messing around with our healer comp and then relearning cooldowns and that kind of stuff
We're just doing the one-for-one swap where again, it's the same player. It's still now
But he's just swapping and he's gonna have to learn a little bit about the defensiveness on
Bear specifically versus blood DK on this encounter, but otherwise you're not really changing too much
Outside of that one specific overlap in P1 where again, we have to do a little bit of relearning with our CCs in order to get those crystals grouped up
Yeah, always a bit of relearning when they have to switch classes, but luckily with tanks,
I mean, this is something that you understand yourself pretty well where you do have to have
pretty good general knowledge of the other tanks compared to those stinky DPS where they
can only fit knowledge of like one class, sometimes two in their brain if they're
like a special breed.
But usually they have the familiarity ready.
There is still a change in learning like you said. I know I've experienced it when I've had to switch healers suddenly from like
Switch to the holy priest and supple Kerr because of how
Strong they were I switched off a shaman to holy paladin mid-tier
So I get the relearning curve, but for the big brain players healers and tanks
We have that knowledge ready in case it's called for it
That's right
Dang DPS players
unbelievable. Darn DPS. Yeah, now just a pretty fast with
change from Vicky to Druid. Oh, I mean, I'm sure. I mean, he's been very familiar with
it. Obviously, he's played a bunch this tier already. I think what he played it on Bella
Ren, right? I believe. Yeah. Yeah. They all three guilds play Guardian on Bella
Ren. So it's all like, yeah, he was like super under geared and, you know, hasn't
played the spec all too. He was, he was super prepped for that. So not surprised
that he was able to adapt super quickly.
I'm, actually, I wanna see the full pool counts here
because we were talking yesterday
about how we were getting close
to re-hitting some all-time markers
in terms of boss pool count.
Let us see.
Yeah, because I think what Warcraft Vlogs and Raider IO
R2, RJ partners can display some solid information with us here.
I think there's a difference in how they count polls though.
So let me, let me give you a call.
I think it's Warcraft Vlogs that does this,
but it's like pretty cool where if there's just a reset poll,
they have a way where it doesn't count it.
I don't know if it's based off of like length in combat
or something, but I just want to make sure that those
like, you know, fake polls aren't included.
Um, but as we look, oh, sorry, go ahead.
Well, so, so, okay.
So according to, again, Warcraft Vlogs, which this includes the, the pollsters you're talking
about the short ones, uh, there's 455 because you actually beside my head, that's the wrong
side.
There we go.
Whatever, close enough.
Um, now if you look at radar, which does include some of those resets or those fast
wipes potentially, um, the number is actually 474.
Which is interesting because on our list, Archimonde, which was the previous 3rd highest
full count boss, had 473 pulls.
So I think it's more fun to use the Raider IO number and say 474, but yeah, that would
be very very funny passing Archimonde by one to be the third highest pole count boss ever.
Well that's actually a good thing to point out because if we're comparing what was the initial
pole base off of was it Warcraft Logs like in Archimonde? I don't know because it's a long
time ago. With these reset poles I want to say I don't want to have revisionist history here
an accident but I think the idea of reset poles have been used way more liberally as time has gone on
so if they have been counted in the uh like wait what am I trying to say basically I'm trying to
say is that would matter if it came down to which has the higher pole count because if the
Archimonde one did include reset poles but I'm not even sure if reset poles were super popular
than because I think yeah I don't actually remember how like the CDs and stuff I know
they've changed it a couple times so either way though that is a pretty interesting thing to
point out because if we could get like the exact number on there it's suddenly breaking into the
top three especially just by one pole that's pretty cool yeah yeah yeah 474 that is a wild
amount of poles for for a Bosnian we've we've reached 403 times since since Shadowlands right
yeah yeah since Shadowlands we've reached 400 poles three times two of which were in a Miradazel
with Pindrel and Furok and the last of course was in Nurebar Palace with Queen Ansarek
So it's it's rare to kind of get over that marker but then yet to actually go all the way up almost a
500 is
It's kind of crazy. That's that's so so only two other bosses in existence
Yeah, it's pretty uncommon that we see stuff like this because
For this number to even go up for the number one guild
It is something that would have to make it into an extra reset for a final boss
And it's pretty rare that that happens like usually once you're pulling a final boss, even
if it's in sort of the start of the week, like you can't really squeeze many more polls
in here for a week.
So it's pretty rare for it to get to this point, but it is pretty cool.
And I'm still waiting to kind of see what the reception is from the writers themselves.
I've seen a few kind of mentions here and there,
but I am sure once we kind of see the post tweets come out
and the serotonin has died down,
we're gonna see some commentary
on what people think about this one.
So, but I gotta say from a viewer perspective,
I think that this is a really cool boss,
it's fun to watch.
Just like for me, paints with this fun to watch,
but I didn't exactly enjoy playing it.
But, you know, it's all about the perspective.
Yeah, I mean, I think too, like after the glavenerf, when you didn't have so many P1 wipes,
like you still had a lot of P1 wipes, right?
Don't get me wrong.
But once the glavenerf went in and you started more consistently seeing deeper, it definitely
got a lot more interesting.
Because, because before then it was basically like, all right, I'll, you know, I'll watch
this pull out.
They instantly died to glaives.
Oh, they're all dead.
Oh, they instantly died to glaives again.
Okay.
And it was like one out of every like 10 pulls that felt like they're actually
getting beyond that phase.
And the glaive nerf I think again, credit to Blizzard, I think it was a pretty solid nerf
that like didn't really change too much in terms of favoring a specific guild at that
time of Prague and just kind of gave everyone a bit of a consistency boost, which I think
was good.
Yeah, they did get nerfed at a good time for the European servers, but in the end
Liquid did still kill it ahead of time because I don't want to like weigh too much into like the NA head start versus getting to watch and copy strats kind of thing but regardless it is something that did work a little against them but as long as they killed it within the reset like they did
This is the result we ended up getting with a pull difference of about 40 between the guilds
So it's still pretty close. I know 40 kind of sounds like a big number
But given the grand scheme of how many pulls had been made
That's still like a decent
It's closer than it looks especially because I think late in the night
Relatively soon after we had gotten off the cast they got like a I heard a point one four percent pull or something like that
It was really low. I don't remember what it was, but yeah, very low.
Yeah, it was it was a bit tragic. Yeah, I was like watching some of the Echo polls
yesterday and they just had so many low wipes. Like they had so many low wipes because it actually
could have been anyone's anyone's race there. It was it was back and forth very similar to
Dementious, right? Like I think Dementious was another boss where Echo had like a sub 1%
It's tough, but I mean, it just goes through like these guilds are like so close in terms
of their performance.
Like they're literally all neck and neck and it's awesome as a viewer to kind of watch
them go back and forth.
Yeah.
It makes it for a good race just seeing the health bars kind of rubber band with
who is ahead because that's often sometimes we don't see too much.
Sometimes we'll see like one pass happen, but then someone kind of just has a lead the whole
time.
But when it's a fun back and forth like this, especially when there doesn't seem to be any
like significant advantage between like nerves happening or when people arrive there, it makes
it for a really, really interesting race to watch.
But you know, that is liquid coming in with I think it's their fourth win in a
row.
So they've kind of been dominating, like prior to this, it was, since the race had been broadcasted,
it was method holding the reins for a long time.
So out of curiosity, I will have to check to see what the number is for how many back-to-backs
they had.
Again, we start broadcasting onwards, but you know, liquid is, you know, they're
kind of a, I don't know what the term, I don't want to say, I was about to say
one horse race, but that's not accurate because this is really close. They're like the, you know,
the dominating team. They're like the Usain Bolt of the race right now, something like that.
Yeah, no, I mean, they've obviously been popping off the last little bit, but as we were saying,
like my echo, echo is point, like literally like sub a percent difference in the last couple
races and then methods been doing better and better and improving and getting closing that gap even further
I mean, I remember I mean just a few years back right when method was reforming, you know
There was a pretty sizable gap between them and the next two and echo and liquid and then now that gap is is
Closing I think you know there was a bit like you're saying a bit of a morale loss, you know, the boss is dead
You know, we're maybe not no gaming to the best of our ability people start caring a little bit less
So I hope we can see the secret phase and you know get some good pulls on it before the reset
But if I did guess I'm guessing the boss is going to die pretty quickly post reset
Just you know when when people rebound a little bit
Yeah, I'm sure we'll see a bit there
Or it'll be a bit easier as well just because a lot of the wipes that we are seeing are kind of due to one-shot mechanics
but
All sometimes these mechanics happen because of individual player deaths and a lot of times you see that because like the healing check is so
Difficult just bringing up intermission. For example, everyone is so spread the healers can't reach everyone
So it's not even necessarily like a play style thing
It's just like a mix of hoping the right things happen at the right time
But coming with the extra gear the extra stamina that we talk about that people undervalue with their upgrades
Along with the healers getting extra gear
fan or hopefully saying the number one geared player, healer representation, can help at
least with those slight over kills, just with those dangerous dots that are happening, or
even those phase switches where people go into it really low, and they have a pretty
short time to top everyone.
So it can at least help with that.
It can help with the damage check too, and maybe give them a little bit of a freedom
if they for example wanted to bring the death knight back in over the druid.
But that is something that we'll have to see coming into the reset.
But that's assuming they don't kill it today, which there's a possibility of that.
So we don't want to count our eggs before it hatches here.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, speaking of the reset, I guess we also saw there's some class tuning coming in on the reset as well, right?
So I know there was like a moderate amount of stuff for tanks.
Like there's like a light nerf to brewmaster.
There's a damage buff for Prop Paladin and Blood Decay and Vengeance, Steven Hunter.
And then a very, very minor durability buff to Paladin, Blood Decay and Guardian Druid, I believe is what it is.
So, that's something to keep in mind also, not to mention DPS specs.
So, I don't recall if any of the DPS specs currently in the race are actually getting a buff.
I can look that up actually right now to see what's changing, but at least yeah
You're talking about like the change between guardied and blood decay it might be a situation where you know blood decay
I think is getting like a 10% single target buff on the reset. So
Potentially it's worth swapping back for the P1 consistency, but yeah, who knows?
I think definitely moving forward
Guilds approaching this boss will definitely want to consider the fact that the damage check is going to be easier with more
gear and maybe want the P1 consistency that a third death knight brings.
Yeah, since we're still on break, I'm actually glad you brought that up because I'm going to take a look at the
healer changes as well since I know those a little bit.
But for Holi, we'll start with Holi, of course, my home.
Outputs behind expectations, that is correct. So word of glory, healing increased by 20%,
applies to eternal flame, it's periodic healing, lighted on a crease. Okay, so
Basically, Holy Pound and Spenders have increased healing.
Honestly, I will say this doesn't really look like it's enough to still make Holy Pound viable, really,
because a lot of their healing also still comes from Beacon Healing, that's a large chunk of it,
and also their Infusion Cast that you just sometimes use on Flash of Light and Hard Casting Holy Light,
which is really strong single target, but that's not really what the type of healing that's in these raids.
One thing that people don't keep into consideration sometimes though is Warcraft Logs only like
a few raid tiers ago added the ability to see how much damage you're mitigating from
things like Aura Mastery.
And so if you could see the actual output combined with the passive damage mitigation,
their relative comparison to numbers is a lot higher than it looks, but they're still
definitely kind of lagging behind.
So I'm not sure that these changes are really going to be enough, let's see, and there's nothing
for brew, nothing for enhancement, and then it goes into PvP.
So let's see, nothing for drew, yeah, just double check, so that seems to be the only
healer change.
Yep, just holy paladin.
Oh man.
Because, I mean, it's interesting, right, because they've been doing several, they've
been doing weekly tuning paths, I think, for the last month-ish, like I think there's
been four of them. I do wonder because this is the they announced it like a
little tuning roadmap I think before the expansion launch around the expansion
launch when they said that hey these are the four dates we're gonna be doing
tuning just so you guys know curious what they're going to do beyond this I
wonder if they'll give it a couple weeks and then maybe do another tuning
pass and then kind of let it sit for a while or or if they're gonna let it
sit for a while now it's it'll be interesting to see. Obviously again as
As a tank player, it's nice to see some of these tank specs get brought up a little bit.
I don't think it's exactly what some of them needed, like it is kind of funny saying that,
oh yeah, here are some survivability buffs to prop Paladin, and then the only buffs are
extremely minor buffs to a choice node, both sides of the choice node, so you can't
get both of those defensive buffs.
You get to pick one of them, basically.
So I think that's a little funny, a slight healing increase, but I would like to
see them get a little bit more defensively, but yeah, you know, it's hopefully it's not
the end. And obviously we have the 0.5 patch coming out, but I believe that's a little
light on class changes. Like, there's a few little things that they can't hot fix in like
talent changes and stuff like that, but it's not anything super massive from what I've
looked at.
Yeah. Since you mentioned that, I'm actually looking at the prop pattern as well because
that primarily tank and keys.
But yeah, it is damage increase.
And comparatively, I know we haven't really seen them
in the race, but as far as I understand,
and please correct me,
because you know better than me on this.
I thought prop halidons already did pretty good damage.
And yeah, these are kind of tiny defensive increases,
but am I a little off just because we don't really see
too much or is it hard to say,
just because there's so little information on them?
Prop halidon does really good AOE damage,
specifically when you're able to speck into crit wings, right?
That's like one of the big caveats is like,
if you have to speck into sentinel,
which is like the defensive wings,
you lose a bunch of damage
because there's super bursty around their wings window
right now, and so losing that damage
from crit wings is impactful.
So like if you're pushing keys, generally, you know,
sentinel is going to be better
because you need the durability boost.
At the same time, their single target damage
looks like it's been quite bad.
It's been outside of their wings, especially.
It's like very low, maybe the lowest down there for sure.
Inside of their wings, it's like passable,
but like that's their big burst cooldown.
And so if your single target is passable
in your big burst cooldown and not very high
because it's a burst cooldown,
your overall is not going to be very great
in a single target situation.
So these are like targeted at their single target,
specifically increasing the power of judgment
and primary target damage from abilities.
So it's probably a nice boost in that sense.
But again, they probably would have been,
they would have traded all of these single target buffs
for more defensive buffs, I feel like.
Like it's just being a little tankier is ideal.
And I think a big part of that is like prop out
and got a bit of a shakeup going into the expansion, right?
They redid the whole consecration focused gameplay
which involved the rework to their mastery, which I think really missed the mark in terms
of defensive value because previously, Paladins were pretty happy to go like,
Haste Mastery, and Mastery was solid defensively, you could get really high Spell Block,
you could cap Spell Block with the right Paladins sets.
Now, you need an absurd amount of Mastery to even get remotely close to capping your
Spell Block, and because it's only Spell Block, it's like a Block Chance type thing,
having not full spell block like not 100% spell block and not being able to reach that
just means defensively it's inconsistent and that is like the last thing you want.
And so mastery has kind of fallen behind in terms of value because it's now inconsistent
defensively.
Well, at a minimum, I have to say I am happy that they changed it from the constant type
of playstyle like where you were playing around your constant crate because being stuck
in that like small area and also having a weak arm making sure that you're in that is not great
and paladins I always see them as having pretty good kite ability despite the mobility issues
just because of the amount of rage abilities they have so when you're kind of desensitized from
sometimes kiting doesn't feel good but uh I completely agree with everything you're saying
with the defensive capability and the burst window makes sense because like I don't treat
this as my primary thing and I don't start pushing until later when I have more gear but
It is nice going into those like big M plus pulls when I'm pulling everything and I pop my wings do my judgment and I'm spamming shield of the righteous in between the global's divine toll just popping all of that and you're like topping and beating some of the DPS's initial burst with that like 300k number right there like it feels really good but then between yet it feels a little dry so but I agree with that makes total
total sense these paladin shade paladin buffs not enough.
We need more.
Buff the pink class.
Yeah, except for that pink class.
Yeah, forget it.
They already, they got the first representation.
They don't need anything.
That's right.
That's right.
Oh, I was going to say,
unless you have more in class stuff,
I also saw the Bella Red nerfs that were coming too.
Oh, yes.
Yeah, I was gonna say they nerfed a lot which is coming. Oh, it knows difficulty yesterday
I'm trying to see if this is happening
On the reset
Oh, oh with scheduled maintenance there it is so
Light dive and void dive damage reduced by 40% on mythic and 50% on heroic
So those are those big two circles where once they drop on the ground they leave the pools and the ad spawn
that's the mechanic that all of the
teams were using to like stack their externals to make sure that they live
Also void echo and light echo damage reduced taken from by 29% on mythic
So those were those orbs that were floating across the room
I still think it's a one-shot if you soak the other one unless you have like a AMS or something. Yeah. Yeah
But at least when you're soaking your own color, it's reduced by a decent amount
Rebirth damage reduced by 75% so this is when the embers health is depleted and
retreating into an egg. I don't remember if it was this mechanic or a different
one but when they initially buffed this fight I think this was the mechanic
they buffed by 100% and then reducing it down to 75 which makes sense because
that was a significant amount of burst damage but at the same time these
skills were coming in a three healing this fight so if anything wouldn't you
maybe want to adjust when I see that the initial thought I get is maybe you want
to adjust the DPS check not the heal check because they were just three
healing it yeah and then the last one was just guardians edict suddenly
forgetting what this one is this is if you miss the tank front
Oh, the tank frontal, right. Okay. Yeah, so it's it's interesting. So like clearly to me, I see these nerves and like, okay, they're targeting the immune strat, right? Because these guilds hard stacked immunities in order to clear orbs in order to soak those the dives without needing to commit their entire raid.
So clearly what this is targeting is being like, okay, you don't need that many immunities guys here for for everyone else
Here's a little bit of loosening on your comp restrictions
you can probably have one immunity split the dives now instead of two and
You can probably soak more orbs on individual players opposed to using the things like turtle to mass soak
You probably still will want to mass soak with the an immunity every now and then like we saw turtle doing it
We saw a bubble and cloak doing it as well. You probably still do want to do that
But it'll be less punishing if you have fewer of those tools, which is good. I mean a loosening of the composition is very good
Rebirth is interesting because that was a one-shot mechanic for the race guilds. It's no longer a one-shot mechanic
It's my guest with this 75% nerf
so
You just won't need to necessarily kill the eggs in time
interesting. Guardian did it kind of an irrelevant nerf. Basically you can mess
up once and it's just a pre-nerf boss fight I guess and if you mess up twice
it's a little bit stronger than the pre-nerf boss fight but realistically
for most guilds I'm guessing it's still gonna be a wipe when this goes out or
very very nearly a wipe when this goes out. The thing that is very weird to
me is the fact that they nerfed the boss's health by 10% because as you
Basically, guilds are three healing.
I don't think this is going to change anything about that because the egg health is the same,
at least according to these nerfs.
So you still have that very tight DPS check and you don't want to go to a third phase.
You need to meet the DPS check to prevent that third phase from happening.
And so nerfing the Phoenix health is odd because they're already DPS stopping in
phase one, right?
They have to hold for their two minutes to be up for that burn because the burn health isn't changing
So that's not gonna change anything there and P2 what it probably means is you could skip the third dives
If you wanted to and not have those birds in there
Which probably is good for most groups
However, there is this other thing right where again you're kind of holding you want your cooldowns back for one
but they will be back because they're doing a little bit longer, but
But the MM hunters in that comp kind of like having the three targets on the egg for the
execute burn.
So it may be a situation where you're just holding for even longer now when you're like
guilds coming up to this boss, especially in the next couple of weeks where we're going
to be at or above the race eye level when they killed this boss.
So I don't know, we'll see.
Again, I would have liked, honestly, I don't, the health service is just weird.
I'm totally fine with the nerf being somewhat light in the sense that they're only nerfing
the immune strat and they're not nerfing the throughput requirements.
I think that would be kind of fine for this boss fight.
But with them nerfing health, I'm just surprised it's the boss health and not the egg health.
Yeah.
I mean, this leans pretty heavily into a lot of what we were talking about yesterday
where sometimes when nerfs come in, a lot of the times you don't just want
to slap that percent health nerf on.
good to target what specifically are people wiping on so uh yeah it does make sense given what you're
saying and I totally forgot you're right they were kind of stopping DPS so that's also a bit strange
but I do like at least reducing the amount of amenities so to speak required for that fight
that's good to not have people super composition restricted since uh lower ranked guilds have less
resources to do something like that. So that's at least a good change. But looks like we're
at least going into the polls. Back to dinner. And we're finally back here.
Yup, yup, yup. Going away. First memory game. Here's always the question. How, how did
we get our, was it a buff or a debuff from dinner break?
Yeah.
There we go. Easy.
Yeah, so I didn't get a chance to tune in too much this morning as I was doing some work.
But actually, oh, maybe after this poll, just to refresh tactics and I,
we can see that poll comparison percentage chart just to see how they've been doing throughout the day.
Like you said, they have just finished dinner.
And uh, usually we see a little bit of good prog at the start, but the late knights haven't
seemed to be super good for the skill, except there was one knight either on this fight
or beller, and I don't remember which that was good, so that's not always the case.
But it does start to get late, and once again they now officially know that they are playing
behind, and uh, mostly just fighting for that third place.
And also looking over at the leaderboard, I'm really sorry if I'm wrong, but I believe
that guild is hot pot for number four.
So they're coming up at eight out of nine there and it's nice to see them closer in
the race because sometimes we'll see them further down in the ranks like the Chinese region.
It's nice to see them at the fourth place up there at 275 poles.
Also identity, I don't think I've seen that guild on the leaderboards too much,
at least historically. So let's just see a new fresh face up there.
Yeah, actually, I think what the advance was in that spot.
And yeah, identity kind of passing them a little bit there, which is cool to see.
We also have, of course, Fat Shark, Instant Dollars, the kind of perennial on this,
honestly, synergy. We've seen them a fair bit.
But what is this? Fat Shark, yes, did kill Belloran.
so they are on lure as well as is advanced instant dollars is still on beloran actually so they're
probably going to be taking that down with the reset in north america today uh same with honestly
as well and synergy is also still on beloran but i believe they're uh i believe they're europe right
european if i remember right uh i'm not sure about that i'm unfortunately not a guild lore master
As time goes on, I don't know all these fresh young and young fortnite players coming in here, but
Yeah, I think they are so they'll be getting their reset tomorrow and then hopefully getting that boss down and be on on
Laura's will have a bunch of guilds fighting for I mean the big one
I think I mean there's there's a pretty substantial gap
I think between method and the next the third place killed there and hot pot heroes
But the race to world fourth could be very interesting as we are wiping in the intermission here
Yeah, those nasty intermission wipes. It's tonight the last night for method kill for reset. That is correct. And
I'm curious to see how they're gonna play it because
We were talking about how the European reset is like early in the morning
Whereas the NA one is a bit like later morning, I'd say I click on my vault at 11 a.m. Over here eastern time
So big vault
It was okay, I took a cloak out
that's not okay that's bad I'm I'm just a little more positive because I'm not
pretty great so my only form of full mythic gear is the vault yeah so as long
as there's something in there that I don't already have I'm happy so I'm
trying to be trying to have a positive outlook here on it but at least it's
not something I already had even though I pretty much have no mythic
pieces right now so you're right but yeah well at least the void forge you the
void forge got you covered in a couple weeks when that ends up dropping
surely either end of April start of May something like that we're gonna be able
to get those guaranteed loot drop bonus rolls yeah that'd be good yeah bring it
back to bonus rolls that's pretty interesting I do like them being added
back and I will say I'm glad that they actually put it on a delay because it's something where
during Prague it didn't feel good and it made things feel RNG and a little unfair. But I do
like how they are kind of adapting this delayed release for certain things because it's like
they're systems that people like and we also still don't want to have that sort of preference
between different skill gaps right for higher end. A lot of them didn't like bonus rolls
because it really did feel like RNG and it can kind of toss things up upside down.
Yet if you get like to lower prog guilds, a lot of them do like the bonus rules just because it
is more fun just kind of gives you another chance especially for someone that isn't playing as
often. So that's another example of I think the meeting of really really good middle ground of
putting that system back in but just putting it out of a bit of a delay. I think that just
just kind of makes everybody happy.
Yeah, and it still kind of keeps the,
because I know a big thing that Blizzard didn't like,
or they're not like huge fans of,
is putting items on a vendor, right?
Players always say, hey, super deterministic,
I can just get this currency, buy the thing for my vendor,
let's go, I don't know RNG, know nothing.
They love that.
I mean, it's nice to do that.
But it does feel like a little weird
in terms of like RPG elements,
you know loot drops not feeling relevant blah blah blah all that all that stuff and I understand that argument
Do I fully agree with it? Maybe not but I think this is as you said a good middle ground and also again net positive
I would say for the players because you're not getting to buy gear, but at the same time
It's got built-in bad luck protection and you're earning tons of other myth track here at the same time
so
You're netting out to weigh more pieces than you would have gotten from that vendor system
which I think is, you know, overlooked sometimes.
And I think it's gonna be based on just the initial impression,
maybe the best kind of gear catch up system
they've implemented because it kind of again,
really addresses the main issues of like mythic plus players
are in particular are struggling with access to myth gear
in general, but also specifically mythic plus gear
on the myth track.
And this is really good at getting that specifically solved.
Yeah, and I will out myself and say like in the past I was a raid purist where I was thinking like all the best years should come from raid that is the ultimate end game.
That is the whole point of wow, but as time goes as time has gone on that the plus has gone super popular, even in Legion Blizzard themselves like came out and said that we had no idea that mythic plus would be this popular.
because they try to add like new cool features of our expansion, like Dragonflight for example
was Dragonriding. So they had, even they didn't know it was going to be that popular, popular
enough to have a Blizzard sponsored event with like the MBI. So with how popular it's
become, you know, even myself, it's like, well, you know, who are we to gatekeep?
What kind of content people like to make competitive. So because you made a good
point of day or two ago saying that M plus is like even more popular than
raiding so we gotta you gotta either get with the times or fall behind as they
say so I've converted from a raid purist but yeah I completely agree I think
it's a great catch-up system and it's once again just a good middle ground to
kind of make everybody happy yeah no I wonder what actually let's think back
So Dragonflight had Dragonriding, as you said.
War Within, I guess, Hero Trees was kind of their thing.
What, did Midnight have anything?
I guess it was the pruning and the add-on changes.
Those were like the big, they're not like box features,
but like the large impactful gameplay changes, I guess.
Yeah, I'm trying to think of like the biggest feature.
Like Midnight, the first thing that comes to mind is like Prey.
Prey! Oh, yeah!
But it almost just feels like a glorified, like, quest, you know?
So, I'm not sure if that was the intent of it to be, like, the new big system,
or if it was just a, hey, here's one of the new features.
I know that one was kind of...
I guess Delves.
Delves was War Within 2, right?
Oh, Delves!
Here, please, and Delves.
Delves is absolutely...
Ah, so there's the actual one-to-one.
It's Apex Talents and Prey.
I think it's so iconic that I
forgot both of them. Yeah.
Yeah. No, you're right. Delves
her war within that. That's a
huge feature change. And I
think that's also one that's
went over pretty popularly. Um
Yeah. Every time it seems like
they're trying to add
something to your dragon
riding and dragon flight.
Even though it's a non combat
thing, I still think the
dragon riding was like game
changing. I think it's
content can also enjoy, you know, like I also try to consider that as well.
There's plenty of pet battle mains out there that need a bow thrown once in a while.
Well, they're actually mad right now.
I don't know if you're familiar, but pet battles has kind of been going down a
hill in midnight. They've actually, it's not cut, but most of the battle pets,
not all of them in the midnight zone, actually don't battle.
Oh, Bolito. Yes. Housing. Housing.
I would tend to like that as the feature, yeah.
Yeah, you know, that's definitely 100% true.
I should have said that as well.
It just been the timing of it
because it released technically more within, right?
It was like the .27 patch.
They dropped housing.
I think of that like early access housing.
No, it definitely is.
You're right.
It's definitely a midnight feature,
but it's just in my head,
it's kind of hazy because of the release of it.
Yeah, Torgast for Shadowlands. I'm trying to think if there's something else, but so far I think I might agree, even though I feel like they tried to do a cool roguelike, and it didn't pan out, and I made it worse by making it where you got more points by having to click on everything when everyone just kind of wants to run in and kill stuff.
I like the boss rush version that they released later on in Shadowlands.
I thought that was kind of nice, but yeah, the initial iteration of Torgas, especially
the fact that you had to go there every week on any characters you wanted to play and get
your dust.
Not ideal.
You had to do too many runs.
If it was made more like a weekly, you do your one maybe two runs, kind of like
the corruption that we had in BFA. I think that it would have went over well. I
funny enough I I believe this was a THD take on Twitter which could go either
way but I think he's the one maybe that posted it just saying like one of the
problems was just how often you had to do it and I'm like you know what yeah I
think I would actually agree with that because way later when I went back to
tour guests to do some achievements I'm like you know what this actually
and so bad it's just I don't have to have my four healer tunes that I'm gearing up for our splits
doing seven tour gas runs each week yeah it was a lot it was too much the hours fun like two or three
characters and even that was too much you know like it's it was a ton um warbands rank I believe
warbands were like housing or it's technically a war within feature but they put it in at the end
of Dragonflight, if I remember right. But that is also true actually, yeah. So technically Shadowlands
was the beginning of systems that we know it today. The crafting system and the renowned system
are both based on like the Shadowlands was like their first iteration of those,
or early iterations of those, and they expanded on them, improved them, and that is the renowned
system and the crafting system that we have today. So there there is that. That is that is definitely
something that Shadowlands probably should get a little bit of credit for assuming you like those
things. Anyways, you know what else we should give Shadowlands credit for? Covens. Oh, covenants.
Oh, yes, covenants. Yes. Not covens. But I don't think those were popular. I think
Like an RP perspective they were yeah, it would have been great if it was just an RP choice
Right like if it was just a hey you can unlock a bunch of cool mounts and cosmetics and but you can't change
Just like scryers or outdoor but without the player power that would have been totally fine
But no the fact that you had an entire ability and then like talent tree tied to them
Yeah, probably not idea and you like I know for talents for example, we had to choose between
between Ash and Hollow, which was phenomenal for Raid,
and then Divine Toll from the Kyrians,
which I think was a bit better for M-Plus,
but sometimes Ash and Hollow.
But you wanted to take the Kyrian one for Pad,
so I went Kyrian, personally, but I also went for Shaman.
You wanted to go Venthyr for Keyds,
because it was very good,
but for Raid, you wanted to go with the Mildraxxus one,
and not forgetting with the Priorya Wave or something.
something like that. Yeah. Or even, even more fun, if you had a dungeon group, right, and
you needed the covenant buff for a specific dungeon because your DPS and healer don't cover
that, they make the tank play the covenant that they're missing so that we can get that
dungeon buff because they were all too good when you're pushing keys. So I'm running
around as a Necrolord guardian druid and that's not fun. Let me tell you.
Yeah, it was oh
M plus was cute. Well, it changed depending on the tier
Which one you ran?
but
Yeah, regardless it was a problem because I remember even when I was trying to find keys
They're like looking for looking for a curian healer looking for maldraxxus healer. Yeah, so it made it really tough. Um, I
Personally got pretty lucky though, and I came across a group
that I was like randomly pugging just trying to get like high keys done and
they were like look we already have a main healer but they can't be on all the
time so because they asked if I wanted to join but be like their second healer
for me I said honestly perfect because I don't want to dedicate like five days
away doing keys so they had two like lazy healers they could switch behind and
it worked out because they said they're having trouble with their halls
because they need Venthyr and I was a Venthyr shaman for keys.
There you go.
That was fun.
Chain Harvest, right?
That was a cool ability.
Yes, Chain Harvest.
Yeah, I was playing Chain Harvest in there and it also helps with that other one.
I forgot what it was called, but they had their highest keys with me on there.
And then for their Kyrian Paladin, I think they were a Kyrian Paladin.
They had a better score with them on the other one.
So it was a really good symbiotic relationship.
There you go.
Two shared bench healers.
that is the problem. Like, it really narrowed down who you could invite, specifically for pushing.
I will say this is like a one percenter complaint, but, you know, I don't think it benefited any other skill level either.
Yeah, Sean coming in. I really liked how Shadowlands murdered the lore. It makes sense.
We were in the Shadowlands. That's where all the dead things go, right?
There we go.
I like shadow lands. I didn't mind it, but a lot of folks in like them all see I actually again
I may be talking smack about shadow lines a little bit, but I I do have rose tinted glasses
Looking at shadow lines because it's the first expansion. I started like seriously mythic rating
And like pushing content. So I I have fond memories of shadow lands. I was also a druid
So I could mountain them all get owned
Oh, that's right the Druids and I'm like a paladin with no movement. It was terrible
Actually, it was a shaman for like the first half of the expansion so I had go soul
But I think later on by then they added mounts by the time I
Yeah, thanks to it. Yeah, you're either rep grind. I think you do rep grind to unlock the mount or something like that
Good. Yeah, but see the thing is shadow lands was really expansions. I didn't like that much
Um, there's like a lot of reasons for it, but I had similar complaints that other like
seat cutting edge writers had.
But the roast into feeling is real.
There is part of me where I feel like I'm only remembering the fun parts of it.
And some take that I had, I was the first one to post this.
I saw so many copycats from all these Warcraft Facebook pages ripping off my tweet.
But I posted, I was the first one to say, I love remix.
And I do think that whenever Shadowlands remix comes out, it's going to go hard.
Because you're skipping all of the bad processes that everyone hated, but you still get to have
like all the cool zones that had really good transmogs and mounts there too.
So I think Shadowlands remix is going to go hard when it comes out.
Yeah, I agree.
What are you, so what, we've had mob remix, we've had Legion remix.
We skipped one in there, but I mean, I don't think anyone's mad about skipping
that one because there's not a ton of content.
Do you think Shadowlands remixes is next or you skip BFA into a Shadowlands remixes?
I feel like they're intentionally not doing them in order because then it would be kind
of like how like the classic expansions are released.
So I think they just went to Legion not necessarily as like, oh, we're going to skip wad.
I feel like it was more of a, well, Legion was popular.
Let's do this.
So I don't know what they're going to do next.
but my gut actually tells me that it would be Shadowlands.
But possibly BFA too,
but if they want to keep kind of like going out of order,
then maybe they'll go back and do WOD.
Cause again, WOD also was an expansion
I really didn't like that much.
It was very boring.
Even though Blackrock Foundry was a phenomenal raid,
Hellfire Citadel was also pretty good.
It was just more outside of raid.
There was nothing to do
because we didn't have them plus then.
We did have challenge modes,
but like once you did your challenge modes,
was kind of it. That's when they also first started introducing these really serious grinds
for more casual stuff, so there was a lot of nothing to do during that time period. They
really started to actually ramp up like extra activities in Legion, like going to Legion with
a big flip. Legion I have really fond memories of, but again as remix content I think things are
different so we'll have to see I don't know what they're gonna do next but I just feel like they
kind of don't want to do it in order but this is all totally speculation but if I had if I got to
pick the next one I would do Shadowland's remix next. Yeah so someone in Shadowland how I'm
remixed out they need to come up with something else that was very much a thing I noticed in this
in Legion remix where in mop remix people played people played so much remix right like remix
was a massive thing. The eGEN remakes at least in the people that I talk with and interact with
a fair bit, they played it so much less than MOP remakes. I wonder if there's like some fatigue there.
Yeah, I don't know where my thoughts are. That is actually a fair thing to point out. I know
anecdotally in my own guild there was a lot less people playing remakes. However,
Wowhead had posted some pretty interesting articles showing that Mythic Plus participation
in Legion for a while was consistently higher than retail because keys were going up to
like plus 100 keys.
I think they went up to like plus 200.
I could be making that up the second part up, but it got really far.
So it wasn't just like a one week of like, oh, it's just like the highest participation
week this and this is happening.
But there are still certain metrics that they could use to compare and show that there were
still a significant amount of people playing Legion Remix.
And like you as well, there were less people in my guild, maybe half.
But the fact that I'd log on at any time while it was out, there were typically more
people online playing Legion Remix than on retail.
So I get the fatigue, and I get wanting to think of something else.
I think remix is so popular enough where they're gonna keep bringing it back because what they also
Consistently do is they only bring it out during when you're in that long stretch of the last patch of the expansion
So they're careful not to overlap it like during Prague
Yeah, we they mean there's some interesting things happening in in later patches now at least we know
Some of them coming we know in the point seven patch
patch, this tier, there's going to be a one boss raid.
We know in the .15 patch, so next tier, there's going to be a one boss raid, and we know in
the .17 patch, there's going to be some new game mode from the creators of Plunderstorm.
So we don't know exactly what that's going to be, but that was always interesting
here because we're talking about Plunderstorm in the chat there a little bit.
I was a huge fan of Plunderstorm, and I'm not a PvP, or like I don't really
PvP at all but just like grouping up with a couple couple friends and dropping in the plunderstorm was super fun
So I'm excited to see what that ends up being. Oh the prop hunt. Yeah
Pop one's actually in the point five patch. I think so problems coming soon. Yeah, the the new game mode is not until the point
17 patch
Yeah, the prop hunt in calm since I've played it the old I think it was on Gary's mod
I put that a bit a long time ago just hearing the random comms or sometimes if you're with the right people that is like a super funny game to play so I think wow especially with housing like hit the nail on the head for what new mode can we think of because it's very like different from the game but given how they've like changed the coding to allow the housing to work which I know what I'm saying sounds kind of made up but they've they've even spoken in interviews about
How housing they were worried would be pretty hard to introduce to the game, just because
they would have to do that thing going into their old classic coding to make it even possible.
And it was going to break some things like, I even remember when we had an extra bag
slot added or something like that, and it broke something in rate because they had
to change very old like foundational code.
I think that's really cool and I will also say the plunder storm. I didn't really like plunder storm that much
I got like the mount and called it quits, but see different strokes for different folks. I like the remix
You like the plunder storm. Yeah. Yeah, so we'll see how they turn out. Yeah, it's why they in all these different
Yeah game modes and stuff. It's it's fun
I like I like that they introduced and they have a lot of like random stuff which a lot of different types of players can
can enjoy but we say that we're into p3. Let's uh let's look at the boss fight for a second here
because we're going through our first uh dark arc angel first barrier is going up and we're going to
be moving here damage is a little it's a little high it's probably about a percentage higher than
we want it but that's something we can make up by committing a bit more damage at the end of the
fight so that we could potentially see p4 but we want to get through here two areas of light
now down from three in this part of the fight memory game is going to be happening shortly
happened on the other side first here I believe we're going to be getting ours in just a moment
pre-spreading out here so we don't immediately cleave each other and there it goes it is starting
only going to be three on this one. Let's pulse so far well I was going to say they
had some good constellations but that was a nice maximum area of denial there.
Reims gone down, but they just set out a battle res. Everybody is back alive as the boss is hitting 17%
So here we go the boss is going into the center. They're popping another crystal
Everybody getting their 99% damage reduction from the big boom as they gate away
And here we go. The boss is hitting 15% with everyone alive. This is looking pretty good right now
Yeah, no, I somehow they're 1% behind immediately. They are now a little bit ahead like a half percent ahead
So they're in a they're in a good spot right now. These are the scary memory games that we have four
icons. Oh, yeah that constellation
Four icons and everyone has to stay inside a single light zone
It is by far the toughest part of this phase and yeah, very easy that that constellation just
Lasering right through our safe zone and we didn't quite spread enough to avoid that on all of our
consolation players are all of our marked players unfortunately. Yeah that was definitely a tough
one. You do want to hope for like decently good consolation RNG but every consolation you have is
playable but some are a little more difficult than others so fortunately that kind of sniped the
Raiders last minute there. But still that was a really good pull. I don't think we've seen one
like that in a while. I think it got into the single digits. I didn't quite look because I was
watching their feet, trying to watch their feet for them, but that was looking pretty good.
Like it was one of those execution wise it was great but then they just kind of get sniped at
the end with a mechanic there. Yeah that's that's how it goes with this fight there it is so so
punishing both in phase one and in the end of phase three right you have a little bit more
space the early parts of phase three when you have three and even two lights when you're
down to a single light and four icons that are four pairs you have to match up for the memory game
it is so tough and honestly the inner or the not the inner mission the mythic phase is kind of
similar where positioning is a little tight right you get the blazes out you have so many of those
shawling guys running right at you which you can soak either with your tank and soak some
immunities can soak some but they're just very very scary because if anyone who's not a tank
or not in the mean to get hit by them they're likely just dead so it's uh it's a lot of those
like little micro positioning adjustments yeah lots of tiny changes everybody has to make sure
they lock in and looking at the time we're at about 7 p.m over in Germany so it's not super
late in the night for them but they have been raiding for a very long time here um but
But ideally, they get past their best, which is sitting at 2.12%, but I feel like if they
do get past that, that's such a small amount, at that point, they will hit.
They've got to hit the sneaker today, so yeah, come on.
Yeah, come on.
There's that graph.
Yeah.
Here we go.
So, yeah, it's, I know comparison is the thief of joy, but they're 2.1 that they
got, it seems like Liquid and Echo had hit that around 100 pulls ago.
So they are kind of a bit behind percentage wise, you can see that we plateaued here, but
based off of this, we are overdue for a new best pull.
So you can even see they're looking at Liquid and Echo's drops there.
The second they did hit Phase 4, it just got the percentages absolutely chunked every
time they had gotten a better pull.
Yeah, I mean it just goes through, right?
P4 is not that hard on its own.
It's getting there.
We've harped on this it's like there were so many p1 wipes across all three guilds even after they had already seen the secret phase
Because this phase is just so unforgiving
Yeah, I'm not forgiving at all phase one is
Really really tough and even in the last phase or sorry in the phase three that one is still pretty tough
But they definitely kind of have the earlier parts down
It's just when they get down to that singular dawn crystal that they're holding they don't have much room to spread out
it's kind of like waiting for that last set there and we just need to see them get past that cleanly because
That's always where their final wipes have been when they get that far
They have a lot of practice. They know what to do
they just need to all enter their avatar state and
make it to the end there and
And start fighting Ozai phase four the Sun is eclipsing. He's at his ultimate power, but they're as trained as they can be
I did not understand this reference what avatar less airbender no
No, my favorite avatar the last airbender is the live-action movie thoughts about that everyone I
I mean I feel like people kind of make fun of those movies sometimes more than they should visually they're very cool, but
It almost feels like if you put every sort of fantasy plot and combined them into one
Like an AI made a story. It's that one and I'm not think it's bad
It just feels like it's every sort of fantasy epic adventure combined into something is those movies visually
They're very good to me. That's a I want to watch something brain-off
Maybe drink alone type of movie
They're making a new live action or do they already make that like a show. Oh a show. Oh live at
They've been wrong
Okay, wait wasn't the first one with real actors
because you're saying they're making it live action like the previous ones I thought it
was me I don't know I thought actually I don't know I don't know anymore you need to get
out of watching Avatar the last airbender though it's pretty looks like a staple go to show
it's amazing season one's a little slow though you have to power through as they start ramping
up and learning their powers you know yeah we we we already kind of had a
discussion about how like you actually watch a ton of shows I don't really
watch that many shows like I watch some when I have the time but like I'm I'm
excited for some of the movies this year like I saw project Hail Mary that
was a good one and I will no spoiler no spoiler guys don't worry but there's
some other ones I'm gonna say about this year the Odyssey's coming out that
That one looks pretty hype.
Dune 3?
I haven't watched any of the Dune movies.
I need to get on that.
Also, I realized what you said.
I think it's live action.
I thought you were talking about Avatar.
You were talking about Avatar.
Don't listen to chat.
Avatar, the live action show, is also bad.
It's really not good.
I don't know what they're saying.
Don't watch it.
Watch a Drew Gooden video on his review.
It'll also explain.
explained. He has all of my thoughts in his videos, so it's really not that good. You just
need to watch the animated series. It's the only thing worth watching, unfortunately.
Avatar and General Sucks. Oh my god. Alright, I'm ready to fight everyone. BlizzCon parking
lot. Let's go.
BlizzCon parking lot. There's a lot. I think there's a whole boxing match lined up, I
think at this point. You're fighting a lot of people.
Oh my god. Yeah, we're going to have a creator clash. BlizzCon parking lot.
Yeah, but it's just you fighting in every match with someone. Yeah, no, it is it's gonna be like that
What's it called that trial thing that you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Chow know not challenge. What is it called?
Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about
3, 2, 1, catch up!
I already got my tickets.
Oh, sorry, yeah.
But, uh, yeah, I don't know if you saw.
I was looking at, they announced the IMAX tickets for Dune, like, yesterday or something, or two days ago.
They sold out in, like, one minute.
Wow.
I see.
I haven't watched any of the Dune movies, but I need to.
I keep getting people recommending that for me as well.
So, but yeah, like you said, I'm much more of a show person.
You're a more movie person.
person but it makes sense. I still need to watch Wicked Part 2 as well. I don't usually
don't watch musicals but you need to change it up sometimes. Also I like Ariana Grande
so that's the main reason I watched it. But then I ended up liking it, you never know.
Normally not my kind of movie but we need another World of Warcraft movie if you ask
me. Honestly, I'd be down with a World of Warcraft animated series. You know, that could
go kind of hard. Yeah, I think a lot of people have been saying that I did go and watch the
there's like a private screening of the Warcraft movie that like creators were invited to.
So I got to watch that, which is pretty cool. But I think the biggest problem with
that one is they tried to fit way too big of a story. Yeah, way too big of a story
in that small time frame you need like a I think when you we've talked about this
before when you put something in a movie I think it's easier if it's like a
smaller storyline for example Arthas is a very popular character if there was
just one movie that followed him being a good guy up until purging border on that
I think would be a movie and then you could do a part two of him ascending
to the Lich King and then like a part three like I think you need more
streamlined storylines for a movie.
But when you fit like, OK, here's an entire expansion where there's
literally hundreds of characters and it spans years into three hours.
Yeah. It gets even me who knows what's going on.
I was confused by what was going on.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It was it was not ideal.
But it was not great for a casual viewing base, like people who aren't familiar with World
of Warcraft, Part 3 is going to get turned into a 35 ANIMA.
That's the best way to do it.
Yeah, Part 3, 35 ANIMA.
Yeah, but I do, I don't know, because, one, the CGI was kind of sick for the orcs, right?
They looked very, very good.
I don't think the movie did too well.
I think it got carried by the by the Chinese markets, if I remember, right?
Like, oh, yes, they did awfully in North America,
but they did really, really good in China by a member. Yeah.
You know, I heard that China also loves transformers.
The Transformers really interesting.
I have no idea.
Yeah. How many transformers movies are there, by the way, now?
There's too many.
I I don't know I self-watch you after two or three else. Yeah, I don't know
They're pretty cool at first, but then they became a little
You know what's fun is watch transformers and take a drink every time you see an ad like the mountain dew transformer come on
There's a transformer. That's just a mountain dew thing. That's great. Yeah
There's a mountain dew vendor
There's a shot with it clearly in the middle like glowing in this alley
and it's like when all the transformers are being called to defeat what gigatron or whatever his name is
yeah it like shows this mountain dew vendor and then it turns into transform and it's like okay all right
the key one wipe here unfortunately it's tough it is tough i mean i i'm curious because we saw
We saw the Bella Ren nerfs coming in on the reset, right?
I wonder how quick before Lura catches a nerf, you think they're going to, I mean, they obviously
can't sneak it in.
Any nerfs has already happened, but do you think next week we'll get some Lura nerfs?
Or do you think they're going to let us sit?
You know, I was actually surprised.
When I opened up Wojaj, just to look at the class changes and the boss nerfs,
I scrolled a couple of times to make sure, am I really not missing the fact that
there's no Lura nerfs. Because Bellaryn getting some like I think that kind of makes sense.
Maybe to like smooth out the gap between Illyria and Bellaryn but Lura is still a really really
tough boss like the gap between Illyria and pre-nerf Bellaryn to me is still smaller than
Bellaryn and Lura. So that kind of surprised me. I don't think they'll sneak them in
Because at this point it's like why wouldn't they just do it on the reset?
Who knows?
We couldn't see some last minute action.
No, we wouldn't because N.A. is already up.
So we have seen in the past mid reset boss nerfs that has happened.
I they don't usually do it, but they have done it in the past.
I doubt they will.
But yeah, the question is, do they wait until next reset
or do they wait longer than that and do like wait to resets?
Yeah, that is a good question, um, unsure, but you do have a good point there.
I think there's also something where they try to avoid putting through nerfs until the
guilds that are racing have killed it, which here would be Method and also Hotpot, but
it's a bit different there because China still hasn't quite been able to compete
with the other guilds and they do have to start two days, two full days behind.
So sometimes I know that that might be a bit of a factor, but we will have to see.
So that does actually give more of an argument to them possibly doing it partway through
the week, like you said.
So I might flip on this one where I will wager that they would, but we will have to see.
Yeah, a big massive raid from Tauly.
Shout out Tauly.
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Welcome in, everybody.
We're here.
The method race rolled first.
The gang is still gaming.
We had a P beach day earlier, just over 2% in phase three.
So getting very, very close, inching towards
that secret phase.
We've done a little bit of relearning here
in phase one at times because we have opted to swap
from the low damage blood decay
to the quite high damage guardian druid
in order to make that P3 and P4 DPS check
just a little bit easier.
But of course, that means we're down some grips
And the third ad set in particular of this phase
can get a little bit spooky
as we now have to organize knockbacks and things like that.
Yeah, that's right.
It is getting pretty close to that 2.12%.
But right now the thing that they're battling
isn't necessarily the check,
it's just getting through that last constellation
with only one dawn crystal up.
So just to catch everyone up on here
that has just joined this stream,
but method is still going in.
They're going to do what they can
since we once again only have one more evening left here.
Typically in an average raid night,
they maybe go for another couple hours.
We're not sure exactly what they're going to do
since they have the early morning reset.
Unfortunately, this pull we already just saw
three people go down, one of them being the healer.
This is certainly going to be a wipe.
There we go, glaives exploding,
people running into the well.
just makes more sense to do a reset instead of continue with that many down.
Yeah, I mean, especially with three down, you might be able to limp through the intermission.
But P2, when you have to split damage with the Soaps down three, that's going to be,
that's going to be probably too tough.
So just go again.
Yeah, we go again, go again.
seems unfortunate that uh even when they do get to the last phase we don't see too many
good uh back to backs um it's usually like one really far pull then we land back in the
phase one a little bit we were warned kind of heading into the sissaw message earlier
in the day that it feels like a little bit of regressing but i mean they've been fighting
this boss all week. Yeah. Definitely starts to get tiring. So it's uh it's definitely a
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I'm also a holy enjoyer myself.
They got some cool shakers, along with some great flavors that you can mix and match them
in any way and they all will still taste good.
It depends who you ask, but all I'm saying is me and a few people did it and we were
like every time. It's really, no matter how you make some, even though you're not supposed to do that,
it's so good. So it just speaks to the flavor of these all natural ingredients, energy, drinks that
give you energy. You don't necessarily want to call them energy drinks, just to clarify what I said.
There have some, but they have other. Drinks that give you energy. Yeah.
So are you like a common, like you got a powdered drink, you're gonna mix the flavors type
should they person or how's that it was just like a challenge that came about or
what's going on yeah it was it was a challenge to try to make the like grossest
drink possible but the problem is that all the holy flavors are so delicious
that no matter how you mix them they just never tasted bad so in like a normal
setting though I'm typically not a mixer type of person I like the way the
flavors that they're created by those holy scientists over at the holy
scientist lab so what about in general though because I know like some people
like when they go in that like on like a fast food restaurant they like do their
own mix of different soft drinks or no I I honestly think that people that do
that are just trying to be quirky I refuse to believe that someone thinks
that those certain type of mixes can be I did it as a kid but I feel like deep
down I was just trying to be quirky. I don't know, I'm just being honest. But I think the
flat flavors are, that's the way I like to go personally. But I also avoid those haunted drinks.
I've worked in fast food before. If you proc a restaurant that doesn't clean them,
they are full of mold. So nice. Put those in your drinks at your own risk. I'm just
giving you a good deed and warning everyone about those. I usually bring like my own can of
soda when i go to restaurants like i'm not even kidding just because it seems a little
paranoid but i've worked in fast food before you know yeah no i'm gonna say you you see it very
differently after you've worked in it so i believe it yeah gotta gotta watch out for it
maybe we could be in lura some of those fast food fountain drinks and see what happens
Yeah poison her that's the good stuff. So we got a rogue in here, of course, right?
We got to give our poisons our only boss all-tier. We are poisons, I think, or do we have one on Bella Ren?
I think we cut it, right? Yeah, I think it was cut.
But no, that's a good point. Do the dagger poison dipping into the fountain drinks at like the local subway. Yeah, yeah.
I'm a subway hater.
Subway hater, what's wrong with subway? Well, so the thing is I worked at Jimmy John's
Which it's a US
Restaurant, which has fresh food everything has to be freshly cut. They will immediately throw things out that go past the expiry date
I've worked at them and they are like statistically one of the cleanest fast food joints and despite me working there
I still only have nice things to say about it. So that just goes to show how powerful Jimmy John's is actually I feel like
Sorry, I feel like I'm talking about I don't know if I'm even allowed to say that anyway
Ignore what I said.
Um, at least we don't have a fast food sponsor, otherwise I'd be in trouble.
Um, but I am a, no, I'm a subway hater and just taste like artificially gross stuff compared
to the freaky fast subs that you get at.
Jamie Johns, trademark, so anyway.
Yeah, I've never had Jamie Johns on, I don't think we really have them in Canada.
No, they're not in Canada.
missing yeah I do have a funny story on that of one time I was busy visiting and
back when we had phone books I pulled out a phone book to find Jimmy Johns there
was a person named Jimmy John and I was like oh this must just be a spelling
error so I called up that number and I said hey is this Jimmy Johns and a
woman answered she's like um yeah and I said oh like can I order something and
I sounded so sus and she's like what are you talking about and I said oh sorry wrong number
um but in hindsight I was I told my friends about it and they're like they 100% think that
there was some like call to her husband's house because that was oh she said like oh that's my
husband oof might have caused a fight on accident but really I thought I was just trying to call
a fast food joint that's how I learned they weren't in Canada so ruined yeah yeah yikes oh
That's okay. We're well. We saw five seconds of P2 there. So yeah
It's tough. We I saw I was watching the third answer there. It is so much tougher
Because of not having that third DK they
Combined like three or four knockbacks together to try and push those crystals in and they still barely killed them in time
So you can see like it really is a lot tougher without the DK to do this
There's a lot more thinking involved in P1
But obviously and we're doing this to min-max our damage
I do wonder like I was saying post reset
I feel like I feel like the best thing to do will be to go back to the blood DK to make P1
Yeah consistent because the damage check won't be
Really nearly as relevant with another resets worth of gear
But obviously we're not there yet where we're still trying to push into the secret phase before the reset
and that is still very real check. Yeah it's very real check mostly a mechanical check at this point
but uh yeah you are making a good point about that because the damage difference that you get
between the tanks is nothing compared to how much more you can get from acquiring extra gear from
not only your vaults but possibly re clearing the first raid um just for that extra gear and
like we saw before they were like splitting it so you could really really pile on some extra gear if
you wanted to hypothetically i'm also wondering how much time they would spend in re clearing
like would they still split mythic is that is extra time or would they just kind of do like a
quick swoop um it's hard to say uh i mean i bet they'd still do they'd do at least one
Reclear especially with like the kill comp of what they expect this to be. I feel like maybe they would do
Like the dragon split that you were talking that they did sorry previously
I bet they would not re clear Beloran
That's my bet is that they would extend March which is interesting, right?
Because they can extend and skip the hardest boss on one raid while still getting a loot from two other rates
Yep, which is this very funny with how this this works
I'm sure a lot of you will be doing that actually as soon as Beloran dies
You will never kill Bella Ren again until Lura is killed, but you might consider dipping your toes into the other mythic
Especially the Chimeras if you're still lacking any of those gaze trinkets because those are pretty impactful
Nearly everyone wants one and so you can continuously clear that boss still and even get vaults
Get mythic vaults by clearing like the first three to get a two mythic vault while you're extending on Lura for a limited amount of time
No, that is actually a really good point
because I think yesterday or a day ago we were talking about this like do we
think that they'll re-clear Beloran or not initially I was thinking yes but given
how you can just go to the old raids like you just said no and even though
there is some good loot off of Beloran is it really worth trying to re-kill it
but at the same time we do have new information where some pretty
significant nerfs have come in so it probably wouldn't take them too long
to do it. But it was a risk though. Yeah, it is. It wouldn't take it
hypothetically shouldn't take them too long to do it. But then you have to look
at is the extra gear that they would get from those few boss drops worth not
prop not pulling Lura and often the answer to that is no so I still don't
think that they would but it does stage a little bit with these nurse
coming in on the reset yeah I'm so I'm leaning no Bella and rekill straight into
maybe maybe they'll do a quick Chimeris or something like that they'll go up to
dragons maybe but I feel like they'll skip alleria vanguard and they'll skip
Bella red so they'll just go off of their vaults and whatever they can get
from those quick boss builds. Yeah I am inclined to agree as well it wouldn't
really have to do much more obviously no use in heroic since they had the split
release they were able to get all of that done the only thing that will matter
for them at all is mythic so I would also agree with your assessment on that
although I don't like to sound like we're necessarily planning for that if
we are being realistic these players as well have already we're already kind of
getting like passive word that they're anticipating going in for a reset so I
don't want to glaze too much phase four doesn't take too many polls but the
problem is we still haven't even gotten there and they only have a couple hours
left at least in their standard raid time that they normally allot themselves
So at this point, the thing is, if they are just anticipating a reset,
I almost wonder if they would just kind of want to go to bed sooner
because they do have an earlier time where the instances are completely refreshed.
Yeah, because they've been pushing their sleep schedule back a little bit.
Right. Like they've started out at the five a.m.
start before daylight savings, which was nice.
Having Daylight Savings mid-race guys, great for cast or schedules, let me tell you, does
not confuse anybody, but yeah, they had the Daylight Savings, so then they started doing
the 6am start, they maintained that for the full heroic week, of course, the full first
week of Mythic, and then the start of the second week of Mythic this week, but then
again, kind of the expectation, again, we're going to kill this, or the goal is to
kills in the reset so they would extend a little bit, 30 minutes to an hour, they'd
sleep in 30 minutes to an hour and they kind of pushed that and I think they're like an
8-8-30 start at this point.
So they pushed a little bit off the reset.
I doubt they're going to try and do a 6am start.
I'd imagine it's like a little weird to try and fix their sleep schedule.
They're also like not really threatened by anyone to take third place on the leaderboards,
right?
The hotpot hero is just getting into P3, and then the rest of the guilds are basically still
all in P1.
So they're not really concerned, I think, about losing third place.
It's all about just more, you know, personal goals and stuff like that.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, that's why I think it would make more sense to try to start earlier, but also
like you said it would be hard to push it too much earlier just because one they do
still get practice with what they're doing and the second thing is even like
I'm sure a lot of people here have tried to reset their sleep before right if
they're like okay I don't want to wake up at 10 a.m. anymore I'm gonna try and
wake up at 7 usually you kind of have to do that incrementally you can't just
decide that one day and then you're suddenly able to fall asleep yeah so if
they were they would maybe go from like I don't remember when they started
today like an 8 30 start to a 7 30 start and that would be like one and a half
hours after the reset. So if they still want to go for the earliest killed
possible, I think they'd want to go to bed as early as they could without
pushing it too far. Um, we'll have to see what they do here as it does seem
like they're taking a lot of breaks in between the polls. Not the best
sign. But we also aren't exactly privy to what they're saying. So I see, oh, there's
a Summonstone coming out. And let's see, Royman is going to be, okay, I wasn't sure if maybe
they switched the composition or something, but I think that would be interesting.
But yeah, no. I mean, like we were talking about yesterday, there were some interesting
things being thrown around, like the dropping of the robe for a third DPS DK, so they
could bring in that Guardian Druid, but it turns out that apparently the Guardian Druid
on its own was just kind of enough.
Yeah, just enough for that extra damn.
They got everybody in here, Roy been summoned back, had to step off of her smoke break, but
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Yeah, I mean, that was that scary ad said, I believe right there that we just dealt with with our ring of peace, a couple knocks as well.
Getting those crystals grouped up when we're only have only have two decays and only four grips, obviously, you know,
pencily five or six scripts even needed on that set specifically.
So getting through it cleanly as we do this last memory game, want to make sure this is all going okay.
Looks good. We have a couple glaives nearby. We want to make sure we're avoiding those.
Otherwise we're going to be heading into that intermission where we're getting a big spread
here to try and separate all of those star splinter beams so that our crystal carriers are safe.
Yeah we've seen a decent amount of wipes happening in the intermission here.
It's still definitely one of the dangerous phases with everybody so spread out here.
But we have a nice Pov watching this rogue.
They don't have too many responsibilities here as they're not a crystal holder.
So once again, DPS, Pov don't have to do much.
Gosh, I'm jealous.
But they're ever making sure that they spread with that last set of the Star Splinters.
Nobody getting hit by each other is there, which is really good.
Everybody's stunned.
They get to crack their fingers now as they move into the second phase.
So let's see what they can do here, but this is one of the simpler phases
Just as a quick review since we haven't been here in a while all of these galvanizes land on cardinal directions
Just to hit those orbs making sure you get opposite one so that you get sucked into
Well everyone sort of gets sucked towards the center tour instead of one side
So it's everyone just has the pre-planned positions for every part of this fight, which makes it a bit easier
Yeah, yeah for sure. The other nice thing about the galvanized mechanic here is that it does have static targeting and that it always targets one tank, one ranged, one healer, and one melee.
So you can kind of pre-plan around that and sort your groups accordingly so that you always have an even spread of players.
I did not actually know that, but having a nice spread is nice because in the past we
have had bosses where it was random no matter what and wipes would be completely pre-determined
if like all of your healers got something or if all of your ranged got something.
So it is nice that we're seeing more of those even spreads, but here we go the next
galvanize is going the last one actually all these crystal players are going to pick
up here drop the dawn crystals in the center run back in move them out of the
way and everything is looking good so far you're gonna be moving into the final
phase after these orbs are pulled in boom now here we go with the boss at a
nice 52 percent everybody has to do their final spread and let's see if they
can get these soaks. Oh no. No. Unfortunate. It's so tough because it's all positioning
bases. 18 soaps going out here as soon as the phase transitions and everyone needs to sprint
and get to their soak in time and it's just two people basically. Two people in the whole
raid can be not in the soak and obviously we had a third somewhere as well.
We saw a lot of wipes to that, like even when they were just starting to get into the third phase.
I think back to back, they probably had like four or five wipes until they were able to get all of them.
So it's a lot tougher than it looks. Everybody getting kicked out in an even circle,
makes you coordinate quickly which one you're getting, because any missed and it's over just like we saw there.
saw there but they're getting right back into it.
Then they're rolling in big smile on his face
with his very well-tuned beard.
He's been up a good morale as they get into another poll, hopefully soon.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's good.
I mean, you want to see P3 as much as you can, right?
Like any time we're not wiping to P1, especially now that we've adapted
a little bit to that last ad overlap,
were without the third DK. I think we just want to see P3 and again ideally we're getting deep P3
we're learning that last set of memory games and constellations with these single crystal on each side
we're seeing the secret phase but as long as we're getting deep in the fight I think it's uh
it's it's good because it's it's just so tough getting out of this P1 consistently
Yeah, it is tough, like we said, still the toughest part of the fight.
Just like a fun thought, something that we've talked about at the start of this boss.
I almost wonder how Prague would have looked if this first phase was in the last phase.
So you'd have to go through a lot of time just to set up all of that coordination.
So in a way, it's maybe good that it's happening in the first phase because the
of seen the graph the way he did which is like long line sitting at 90 80% for a while you'd start
to see it even further for the final phase which you could kind of see with them trying to get through
the third one which is also another pain point but it's kind of weird how this first phase is really
hard intermission is pretty hard second phase is the easiest third is harder again and then
fourth is easy so it's a bit of a roller coaster in terms of difficulty with what they
have to do here. Yeah, we talked about secret phases a little bit I think yesterday but it's like
historically they're like pretty easy generally I think for I don't know if there's been you
would probably have more experience with this than I would but I don't recall there's ever been a
secret phase that was actually difficult. Yeah, I am thinking back so was the Ilgedon thing a
a secret phase. I don't know if it was like a plan or a secret phase. We'll skip that
one for now. Ragnaros Heroic, that's a bit different because Classic was like a different
ball game back then. In hindsight, when you go back and do those fights, they're actually
extremely easy. But so there was that that people didn't expect. And then we had the
Sylvanus where the phase itself wasn't difficult, but the health needing to go
down to 45% week one was very, very tough. But even when you had people following up the
race world first year, or echo was the only one that killed that reset. When you had everyone
else following it up, it was just like a typical difficult boss. Jailer gaining a shield again
in particular, it wasn't difficult, but like the added extra time that you have on the boss
didn't make it tough so no that is actually a good question i'm not sure if there was a difficult
hidden phase dark mac in uh in chat coming in saying arkham on arkham on i try to remember
that's a long time ago was the secret phase you getting pulled into that
extra universe yeah was that on all difficulties well it was at the end of the fight on normal
difficulties, I think, but it was extended on Mythic or something like that.
Yeah, because I remember doing it.
I was ready then and also got like my cutting edge then, but I don't remember
it being particularly difficult.
It was still hard, like it felt, you know, normal with the rest of the fight
only on the thing in the other realm.
OK, it was hard, but I don't think it was like insane.
It just felt like another phase of the fight.
Oh, Gul'dan secret phase.
So was that hard?
I don't think that was hard either in particular. It was like Elden came down and you just kind of had to
So I don't remember it too well because like the healers didn't actually really have roles there
We just kind of kept people alive, but there was some weird interaction with someone having this weird shield and kiting or something
But yeah, the Ellen and I think also or Goudan sorry
I also think in particular wasn't difficult that just kind of felt like another phase
face. Um arguably the earlier
phases were maybe a little
harder, but it's been a while
since I personally have done
them. So I don't remember
them too well. I just
remember Katgar being out
there throwing these tiny
little light balls at Gul'dan
doing absolutely nothing,
but he's yelling some cool
voice lines out. That was cool.
Kaker was also there in
Archimonde too, wasn't he?
Wasn't he at the back during
the Archimonde encounter?
Maybe not. Yeah, it's like
Archimonde URL and I think
someone else? I don't think we've seen Urell in a bit, not that I think about it, but...
No, she's busy being like a light tyrant over in the
Draenor timeline or something like that. A tyrant? Like that? Yeah, like like evil light
people. Yeah, it was in the the Maghar orc, like
not maybe starting, not starting close, like the campaign to unlock the Maghar orcs,
you go back to Draenor and they're like, it's just like the light people taking over
everything they're just like having a literal crusade and she's like drunk with light power
oh well i i do skip a lot of like the dialogue and cinematic stuff but uh i think i just need
to brush up i need to just have like a nice hour-long lore video that explains the things
hour you might need a little longer than that oh just like uh this happened and maybe a good 10
hour lore video how about that that'll catch you up yeah i don't know where's novel exactly just
like a concise like summary uh instead of it being like tv show form put it in like movie
like form type of lore and i'd be happy with that because lore of the rings extended edition
movie length gotcha yeah lore of the rings extended movie length that's that's what i
I like to see just a quick four and a half hour video yeah quick four and a half
hour because the thing is if I like if I watch movies I like to watch longer
movies because I want all of the information fit in there
I prefer the director's cut you know I like them when they're longer and fit
everything in there and it doesn't feel rushed
yeah yeah you get the you get the full vision
Yes, you get the full vision
Well that one crystal, oh, oh, knock it, ooh, not even close, not even close
We got to dodge these glaives there, but that was the
Spooky set that we've been talking about where would you only have two DKs?
Some of these crystals you can't get in and it's kind of RNG depending on where they are because of how they spawn
And so you got to get knockbacks to get them in quickly. That one just wasn't quite in enough initially
But they did manage to squeak it out. So that's good to see, good recovery
I want to finish up this memory game with all of these. There's so many glaives here. Oh, that's so we're gonna get them
There we go
Easy. Oh no, I said that and someone immediately died
Yeah, I was looking pretty good
They were able to recover with those soaks, but unfortunately faithy goes down and it doesn't look like we have another
Battle res for one minute 50
So this definitely like obviously isn't gonna be the kill pole
but it looks like they're gonna continue practicing.
Intermission is a good place to do it
as they have a significant amount of wipes during this phase.
It's not easy, especially when they get to that last overlap
where every single person gets it,
including Faithy's dead body.
So people need to make sure to watch out for him
on the ground.
And here we go with the final spread.
And everybody's alive.
We just have to get Faithy up
once the balleraz comes up.
Yeah, losing a little bit of damage there, but again, it's not the end of the world.
We generally think most of the guilds were holding damage at the end of P3 to have for
P4, which we're probably not going to be worried too much about.
We can just send that.
And so hopefully we can still meet the DPS check by sending that extra damage, seeing
as we're not saving it for that last phase.
We do need to get there first.
So much damage from the galvanized soaps.
That first one obviously without one player, so some increased damage.
This next one is going to be soon. The battle hours may come up just before it, maybe. So
if he's quick, we can get him into these galvanized soaps, but it might be a little late. Four
seconds. Galvanized is soon. Yeah. It's going to be very tight.
Yeah, there we go. The red symbol is out on him. Just waiting for the right time to
take it. Yeah, there we go. Faithy is back and ready, locked in. Everybody is going
make their spread. Healers topping everybody else up and once again this is looking so much cleaner
than it was in the earlier polls. It almost doesn't even look dangerous for those healers.
They have everything practiced. Everybody knows exactly where they need to stand since it's
all predetermined. And here we go with the next set of lasers coming in. The final galvanized
for these orbs. There we go. They're hit. So good phase two. We don't really seem to have
too many issues here but they're doing great. So scary, I thought you were trying to cast
her curses again as everyone's health was dropping so low at the end of that phase as
you were talking about how chill it was. I just have whole faith in their healers here.
Yep, yep. Alright, here's that knock. We have soaks right out of this so everyone
needs to get into their soaks. Come on, good. There we go. We are now getting
into p3 proper everyone alive we are a couple percent health again behind on the boss
yeah it makes sense because uh you know we had the dps down for a large portion of that that
intermission and p2 but this can definitely be made up with by just sending cooldowns and
folding them for the internet or the mythic face well that'd be tough i am surprised that they
They are made it harder to get all of those soaks because they are down one person, but
they are still going to do what they can because what we need here is the practice.
We've had most of our wipes in this phase happen during that last set of constellations,
but we're now we're going to focus on what we see ahead of us continuing to get these
last soaks getting those absorbs off of everyone because not only is there a lot
of damage going out, this also absorbs that the healers need to get off of everyone.
is stacked up they're gonna proc their dawn crystal soon give everybody that 99% dr and
then run out of here run away as we do a nice rinse and repeat boss sitting at 33% still
one down no battle res for two minutes so they're gonna have to finish this phase without
them but you know it still looks like it could be doable they just can't have any other
major mistakes you know I should think it's it might be bad because I think we have
people dead on the other side oh yeah they're going out but you know what you
can't tell because of the dark raid frames just wanna just wanna point that out
but well they have a text on there that literally says dead so yeah but we
couldn't see it but now now after staring at it for a while yeah I think
our their healer has been down for a little bit and there's also another
DPS down on the other side which does not bode well for them.
It doesn't bode well, but they're doing what they want.
They said go on without us.
It's what we want as they stack for that last Dawn Crystal proc there.
So now everybody is going to stack together.
They only have the one pool, so this is the part where they have the most difficulty.
These constellations come out.
They only have a small space.
They also have these marks that they still need to group together in the right order.
And here we go, another constellation cutting across there.
Then it's just standing right on the edge.
No explosions specifically to that, but they did actually successfully merge all of them.
And unfortunately it leads into a wipe, but they did at least execute that part correctly,
which is what they were having issues with.
Oh yeah, that was, I mean, again, I think the problem too, as we're going to get into it,
Is that if we wipe early on in that last part of the fight, right?
The only team that gets to practice that hard memory game is the right side team the team that we were just watching
The left side team which is the team that we saw I think struggle on our previous local
They don't get to practice the mechanic very much because they don't get the hard mechanic unless the right side team has done it correctly first
And so it's uh, there's a bit of extra learning that needs to happen when you get there in a time so that the left side team actually
Is to see that mechanic they get to learn their timings their movements. They're spreading to be able to accomplish that mechanic in time
Yeah, it's just a lot of oh here we go another break time are coming out
another
Two thirty give them a little bit of a rest stretch their legs crack their fingers
Refill up their holy cups. That's right
Let's see eight pulls. Yeah just for a comparison
I'm just looking over at my other monitor out of curiosity to see like hypothetically when they get into uh
phase four
It just took liquid eight poles to kill the boss and then 12 or 13 or so for Echo
So just for a quick comparison once they hit the phase four
They'd have to have a lot of deep poles if they were going to fit the statistics here
Just to get down so as we get further and further it's not looking too good for them
Uh, it's about to be 8 p.m
Over in germany, which is where most of the raiders are located. They would usually end around the
Well lately they've been ending around the 10 p.m. Mark
So we'll have to check to see how much longer it is that they're going to be going once again
Since they're heading into that early reset. We'll see if we can get some info on that as soon as possible
but
Yeah
Not so many deep polls today. We only had that one I think earlier at the start of the shift
We're got to single digits, but
Yeah, I think part of that is actually the relearning right like we talked about P1 and even though you're only switching your tank out and they're still familiar with the fight
It's a bunch of cc stuff that you now need to reorganize with your group and get used to and it's you know a little a little certainly less
Consistent than the previous strategy in a phase that is already not super consistent
And so that's going to kind of compound the difficulty a little bit
But obviously we think that's worth it because we need the extra damage to be able to push into that phase this week
Yeah, lots of lots of ifs and butts
They've pretty much finished in maxing kind of everything they can
With the big notable change that we've witnessed switching to a bear for the extra damage
Trying to see I
they're keeping a havoc demon hunter I swear there was one other change that
they had oh yeah they were running a beast mastery for a bit but at some point
it looks like they switched back to marksman I'm not sure when exactly that
happened but you know you guys want to try new things see what you can do but
this is likely what they're going to end on use me didn't get as much sleep
because I was so excited to wake up to it and watch methods.
So.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pull tracker saying 463 arrows is 480.
I think that Warcraft Logs filters out
some of the like lower pull time things
like for resets and stuff like that.
So there is like a little bit of a discrepancy
between the two.
But still in 46480, that's a lot of pulls.
We're approaching that 500 number quickly.
Yeah, we are and even if they keep like on trend with the polls that they're making. Oh, yeah, there we go. Yeah, unfortunately a long, long parallel line there.
Having a bit of trouble. It was nice seeing like the races getting pretty close around that like 418 420 mark.
But having a bit of struggling just getting past that 2.1%.
But the other thing I do like about this fight is, I was saying earlier that the best pulls,
you're seeing like a lot of braiding with the highest percentages, like Method, a couple
times getting ahead of both guilds and then someone else getting a new personal best.
It was fun to watch, but it just seems that there's a bit of running out of steam at
the end here, still not seeing that phase four as we had later into the night.
I really do hope that they make it.
You want to see what they're able to do.
But they are overdue for personal best, but like truly, truly overdue.
Just looking at that graph, right?
Yeah, no, we're going to get a P4 here soon, I believe.
Back from the break, jumping right into the fight again.
Hopefully we do get cleanly into the last phases.
it's just such an insanely difficult fight again. Definitely in the discussion for hardest boss fight
ever considering the pull count is up at the third most out of all bosses and it's obviously the only
modern quote unquote wow boss fight in that list. Yeah for actually when you put it in terms like
that for for modern like pulls this would actually be like the highest. I don't want to kind of
to move the goalpost for what determines that, but since it has been, since being broadcasted.
Well, I guess, not technically, but that one, that's a little weird, right? Where it was kind
of not a lot of the top guilds really participated because of the overlaps with MDI and stuff
like that. And then also, it was left in a very unkillable state for much longer
than any of these bosses nowadays would be. So there's some caveats to the Unot poll count
as well.
Yeah, it was a bit different because I think during this time, I believe Max himself was
still tanking for his guild and he was like competing in the MDI. And I think that's Skull
and a couple of his raiders were like visiting family or in the different sort of vacation
at the time. So if they were pulling from memory, it wasn't really with their normal
roster. So it was a bit of an off tier. I personally won't count that one, but we do want to acknowledge
that Unot still itself was a very difficult boss. And I think that's when pieces actually took
the race home. So that was pretty cool for them. I definitely don't want to take away from their
achievement because they were one of those guilds that unfortunately they disbanded a while
ago but they always were really high in their ranks with rating at one of those
like lower schedules where they were rating like half the hours as the
racer world first skills which is still a lot but the type of prog that they
would get was still great kind of like a instant dollars as well they were kind
of like that caliber of reduced hours but still absolute gamers that often
would get poached from those guilds to the race world first guild so the
The skill was there, just a bit more of like an hour thing.
Yeah, yeah, I remember all the memes about how pieces
would inflate gold costs of helpers
because they would just have some insane amount of gold
and they would just offer so much more than like
Method or Echo or whatever.
I remember all those memes, yeah.
Well, weren't they one that initially started paying
for helpers too?
I think maybe they...
I'm gonna sing my lullaby
I
I
No, not that old guy.
That old guy.
We step inside this before they know that I just can't seem to take it anymore.
Good morning, Chad. Good morning, bangers. How are you?
I'm good, bro. How you doing? I'm doing wonderful. I'm doing wonderful
I have a full five hours of raiding ahead of me unless they wish quicker than that. Yeah
Today today's a little mystery bag because we've got a full vault on every character to check out
We've also got some re-clears to do and then we got some prog
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Praceladies and gentlemen and then as we're going to jump into the action chat the number one thing that I want to know today and bangers
I want to know from you too, but guys what did we get in our vaults?
actually, I've actually just opened my vault and I have a
mythic
Hands crossbow and drink it
Drink is not very good though. I guess weapon is probably not very good if you go craft and I guess I just take the hands
So yeah bangers got hands
Yeah I've got hands
Yeah so we've got a kind of re-kiss here guys
Get some loot and go and kill that final boss
Yeah so a couple kind of merits so clearly we can upgrade some trinkets from Heroic
to Mythic we can also just get naturally some item level from this boss as well
Some people might even just need fresh trinkets because we know we had one of our
Raiders bill he had to leave yesterday yesterday yesterday he had to leave
officially so a little swap around we know worst was in he did swap from his
DK onto his demon hunter and that demon honey he had on his screen so everyone
of this stream knew guys I'm only 275 please please be kind to me you know
please be nice but looks like we'll be able to get him up and everything now
as well I'm just you know I'm just checking out some of who we've got in
right now. Do you think this is a split? Do we think that looks like the main team now
on the Guardian? Yeah, they'll only be gear in the characters. They are taken to the last
one, Luremithic, right? Because this is pointless. You're not going to waste time gear in Alps
right now. You can do that in the week, however. They'll just pick it as much gear
of the characters that they want to kill, Luraviskon, and just get straight back to Earth
case possible. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And while you were saying that, I did just
check my vault on my shaman, and I got two trinkets. Nice, any upgrades? I don't know,
I'm gonna have to check. I got that Heart of the Wind from Wind and Aspire on Mythic,
and then I got some, I think it's from Skyridge, some like Light Prism, which I think that's
also supposed to be pretty decent as well. But I haven't checked that out too much,
Yeah, I'll need to check and then yeah, chat,
let us know what you got in your thoughts as well.
It's the big Wednesday.
The big, our week starts on a Wednesday
as WoW players start on a Wednesday.
I'm gonna check my feral as well right now.
We'll have a little look.
I'll open some things up.
You'll see some havoc even on the players as well too
because I think Kush said he couldn't go back
to Devour for the Reakly, so he's gonna stay havoc.
I guess they must have different stats
to Devour, all right?
Yeah, and I don't know how it works with the, oh my god, I'm a cheeky bugger.
I'm an absolute cheeky bugger on my feral.
Okay, I'll tell you about that in a sec.
Yeah, I think Kush, he's obviously been, yeah,
favored to have a demon hunter this fear on Lura.
It's something that is still evading us a little bit.
I mean, unless you know, like in terms of why they've got the havoc over the devourer,
Is it a comfort pick? Is it to just blow up the ads initially in the fight?
But then that's a lot of effort for just the ads at the beginning
When I mean now now they're gonna blast through him obviously with recoil loop, but yeah
What are we? Yeah, I just think it was to do with the timings of the cool rounds something that I overheard
I don't really know too much about the hunter, but I think his meta was timing well with the cool rounds
So he could just nuke ads and p1
But yeah, now we're obviously with the extra gear, I don't think any DPS check is going to be really a problem, there's going to be execution, there's going to be the only issue that we're going to face now, but maybe that is just comfort from his pull, he's used that from pull one, so he's going to carry on.
Yeah and I know there was kind of like this there was this sort of push of we
really want to try and clear before the weekly reset because we want to you know
we want to just like show that we can clear before the weekly reset because
I'm gonna come in with some extra loot and it's just like it would be nice to
clear same lockout same week as as yes it didn't end up falling that way but
you know in the grand scheme is that you think the rate is too concerned at
that point when you know you sort of gotten 30 you just kind of like okay you know we you know
we've learned some things we could take some lessons yeah we had some laughs we can we can
have Tronga next time. Yeah obviously the reason we got is because you're everyone has their
ego they all want to play as well as they can and obviously some people haven't played as good as
probably others and there's a lot of new raiders in this guild right now which haven't
actually probably done the race to the world first before so it's a big it's a big experience
like going from just a normal raiding guild to 16 hours a day for a whole month basically
it was just this expansion to come out, they've literally planned every single day all the time,
it's a big toll and it takes a real big mentality to be able to actually play high levels to that
amount of time. Yeah absolutely yeah but yeah obviously yeah then we guard we've not been
able to kill the boss in the same reset of loot as Echo and Liquid but they'll take
I can throw a lot of love from him if I see you there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like you say, there's going to be a few players that
haven't played in the race before.
So AJ is new.
We got to interview him the other day.
Great guy to talk to, a lot of energy.
Really fun to listen to and like, you know,
had a lot to share about his experiences
and how he got into our originally and stuff.
So shout out to AJ's worldest tier.
He's in on Lura, I believe, or wasn't on Lura.
He is, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, yeah, I'm the evoker. You're right. Yeah. So that's cool. Um, also, is it prebi's first tier as well? Yeah. I think so. Yeah.
Because he came from a prebi. I believe people that I don't recognize is like glooms and Tiso, just from this comp. Yeah.
Firecabin was there maybe last year. I don't remember. I didn't cast last year.
Yeah, when you're thinking is this first year. Yeah, they've got loads of new players. So obviously, like, you put a whole new focusing together, even if you have the best as well, it's exactly what you do. They need to learn how they work. It's not a simple process. And unfortunately, that's the problem of wow, you have such a high turnover because the commitment is just so hard taxing on your momentum.
like people some people just can't deal with it right so yeah you have to find them 25 to 30 mentally strong those degenerates
yeah degenerates yeah
there's psycho-haptic degenerates, that's what you need to find
this is her first race to her first yeah there's so many players they have yeah so many new players they have for this
in this guild right now um it's just gonna take time uh you have to unfortunately some people
won't be good enough and won't have the mental powers to do it and some people will and you
you have to just feel right.
Which one you are.
Yeah, which one you are.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's absolutely true.
I know that this was a big thing as well.
Like something that you didn't mention there is players that
did that maybe won't this won't be for them.
They'll go, now this isn't for me.
But there'll be some people who go, wow, this is absolutely
for me.
The guild method recognizes we really want you next here.
And unfortunately, some other little birdies
might also want them next year and that is also a big, a big question
market is also like a big spanner in the works because you feel like you do a
tier, you feel like you start to gel and then two, three, four, five of your
players get picked up by another guild and it's something that I know so like
pieces, right? Rest in pieces. That was something that they struggled with
Every single time I remember on sepoka the tier where they finally just like that was it
I mean it was it was a hell of a tier anyway
Cuz it was so long and there's so many bosses and yeah, but when they when they did call it quit
It was just like fundamentally it came down to
Yeah, we have to replace like 12 players every tier and we just are
Struggled like we can never get in front. It's like yeah living paycheck to paycheck. It's like yeah
You just can't get out of it.
So it's something that, I mean, fortunately,
Method, I think, have a lot more branding,
have a lot more like community sort of awareness around them
and stuff.
So there's a lot more that Method has going for it
than I think pieces were ultimately able to build up.
So with the firm branding of Method,
I think, you know, there's a lot better shot of keeping the guild in touch with keeping players together
maybe being able to hold on to players that normally maybe would have jumped to like an echo or a little bit
but yeah, what do you, anything to put on that one?
This is why I think Liquid are doing so well at the moment because they're the only...
Okay, so E have two very big guilds and they keep taking show of players, right?
So like, they're weakly each other.
It's like a fall team like we are on poach and players from Liverpool if I'm united right and I'm making them weaker
But then I'm stronger, but then they're weaker and then
Liquid is just like the only NA guild which are really in the race for first and they have to they're in the second guild
Which is like instant dollars, but they put there as far as rate is in and yeah
They take players from them just whatever they want. They have like a training ground. They have like a training ground
Yeah, you know in instant dollars
But Echo and Method obviously they're both strong for well first themselves and they're trying to make their goers better
But in that in that like war they're just making each other weaker in terms like they're taking as much of his guilds
So I thought that's that's where it would
Just become a stronger and the two huge use of common weaker because they're just trying to both become
Better in themselves, but that's yeah in total just making each other weaker
This is the thing that that I like just think about where oh
So we got a trinket, nice, and potentially a mythic weapon for now if he hasn't crafted one already on that Guardian Druid, so potentially never might end up going in the bin, but we'll see.
Insie Survival maybe? Question mark?
Survival is good, it's melee, which is probably right. Did we roll something on that by the way? Did that gaze have like tertiary?
I think it popped up with like the extra little visual that maybe think maybe it's got
Something extra on it. I know I'm not sure all but
There we go. We've got a trinkets. That's cool
But yeah, it's coming on some of ways that like that's why I think this race needs to be positioned to the best possible
Environment where we can have the most competition because imagine like so right now
You know even chat mentioning like the Guild and forth. We have a Chinese Guild
who are actually getting really really close to be honest and you got to think
they're an extra day behind right they start on a Thursday so they aren't even
getting their reset until tomorrow yeah hot pot heroes you guys are saying I know
that there's a lot of like you know a lot of the Chinese just like move
around they read on rebrand you know switch up and stuff I think one of
the teams actually because they claimed a high ranking in Chimeras they
actually got a massive payout I think for like $70,000 or something for the
raid for getting kind of like second or something so I would love to see I mean I
don't know if you have more competition in China I don't know if like like
imagine China start poaching players yeah well I would use the word poaching sorry
but you know what I mean like yeah yeah basically it's like Chinese super
But something went wrong with that gilder. I'm not sure what happened.
Yeah, they had all the best Chinese players went to one gilder because they had loads of money, but then it got really toxic or something.
I think there was a lot of like, they didn't gel.
I don't know if it's just such a competitive environment in China where like there's a billion people and it's like if you're not first you're last.
I don't want to speak without you know out of turn but I think that's kind of like everything's just so competitive that it's probably
Yeah, you probably do have to be a little bit selfish, I guess, a little bit at times.
Yeah.
But a wow race is something where you've got to kind of come together as a team and everybody's
got to know their role and their position and stuff.
Yeah, you need to have a good environment with the guild because you just time skip
up all the time.
Like I said, these guys have been online for 16 hours a day for the last month trying
to prepare for this raid.
you don't want to be having like a bad environment in the guild, right? Yeah, you want to have a group
of people that you can just be happy with and you can spend a lot of time with. You're going to be
spending hours upon hours with these guys. So yeah, you want to make an environment and that's
very important for a while. Just succeed for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just like from the
competitive side, it would just be so cool if we have like 10 guilds and how that just
sort of the playing field looks there it's just you know it's a big thing I don't you know I don't
think people talk about it often enough but obviously money is a big aspect of what keeps these guilds
running you you need to motivate players to come and put in insane amounts of effort and it's not
like other esports where if you win you get this massive you know you get like hundreds of thousands
in a prize pool that you can split between you know maybe seven of you eight of you whatever
It's like we have 30 players plus analysts plus staff plus production plus a chef like we
We you know like we've got some plus we've got to like rent a facility every time we want to do a race like
Things start to rack up massively and unless you're doing this full time and you have the backing of like yeah
It seemed liquid or you know, I mean method and echo have managed to get just
Amalgamate a lot of a lot of sponsors
It's it's hard to do so I don't know if the race would need I mean it would have to like radically different less blitz on the thing
I think would probably have to be a start
But yeah, it would it'd be interesting. I mean I
Don't know. It's one of those things where then it would just be cool to see how the the guilds fit when there's just a lot
More competition. It's not just like you say liquid have access to you know NA support. Yeah
and uh and they have that so yeah i mean yeah i think i think a wild guild is one of the hardest
e-sports to run uh there's so many different aspects like like say 30 plus raiders,
rayleader, outside rayleaders, analysts uh people with the benefit add-ons now you've got people's
benefit like sneak or weak or meek or you know there's so many things that these these guilds
have to pay people to do because take a pesi if you need all these things um whilst also
not having any backing from a prize pool. So you have to run from sponsors or outside contributions.
And you think all these players, you think we have a CSGO team, you have like six players, probably
five players and a backup player, right? And obviously, yeah, they get the same money. So like
you're, it's worth and the super hours and they have to invest in practice and stuff.
And they have a tournament every two weeks.
They have pros of one million pounds where you win the tournament and you win all that money.
So yeah, this is not the eSports you want to be playing if you want to be rich, let me just say that.
But this is the eSports you can play which if you love the game, you have the passion for this game.
And that's what drives this game, the community and just the love for the game.
While esports like while race or fast is for the type of player that has a pile of washing just
sitting like a chair next to them in their room but they've been meaning to hang up for a few months
now it's me I'm one of those players that that's you know what I mean it's for yeah I don't even
know what I mean by that but yeah it's it's one of those esports where it's like I mean I like
to think of it as like it's it's a community esport you know it's something that kind of
invented as a community and it doesn't have all the bells and whistles like a
normal competitive like esport I mean this is competitive too but you know
what I mean like I guess more like a PDP esport would have or something like
that but there's a there's a lot of love there's a lot of passion and it's
really cool to see that like you know ultimately you need the players you
know we say about what you need to make race or first possible we say about how
you need sponsors and you need this and that but you need you need the
players that are just so willing to invest so, so many hours for all this.
So, it would be cool.
I mean, you know, people always bring up the, you know, Blizzard kind of getting
involved a little bit and supporting the race a little bit.
And, you know, they do soft supporting, right?
Like on the Battle.net launcher, there is a race to old first like panel.
And you can click that and then it leads to the team.
So, you know, they do like a little something.
It's they they dip their little toe in I mean Ian
I don't know if Ian normally tweets out and says like you know congrats to whoever wins
And that's kind of cool, but you know it'd be nice if Blizzard maybe did like a little something for the top ten teams
Yeah, I think so just like just to say you know even like yeah, if you're a fat shark. Yes, if you're
the the Chinese team
What were they called the heroes heroes?
Hotpot Heroes.
If you know, they're getting like a little something, it just helps spur that on and it's probably a bit easier for people to commit some time, if they know like, a little something from this, that's kind of cool.
I can spur on some passions further, but yeah.
Definitely. Just to answer the stream, guys, what they're doing right now is just a quick voice by Mithic Reeflear.
It loop for the characters, which he would be progressing under Mithic and then straight back to progress.
Yeah, so you're not even gonna split is it?
it is it? No, just this is gonna be a quick fast full clear and then straight to progress
a little bit. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah, I think very well first probably one of the
highest time commitments for sure in eSports. Like I've been there for the many years and
it is a lot. It's kind of why I had to give up because, you know, working outside as
well. It's crazy. I was actually working for 16 hours a day trying to keep up
this prep and also work at the same time because actually the mind doesn't really cover if you
will have your own house or family or whatever it doesn't really cover it right yeah so you have to
work at the same time yeah obviously I'm guessing most of these players in the game right now are
either uni or studying or not too many high like responsibilities yeah exactly yeah and that
obviously also limits the people you can recruit because you obviously need people in the same
sort of field of work, like not really much kind of just working their way through life
forest gaming, 16 hours a day.
Yeah.
So yeah, it is very hard.
Yeah, it's very hard, but you know, luckily with streaming and stuff these days that things
can be supported or helped with that as well, which is nice, it's a nice bonus, but
it's not always a given, right, like it's not always guaranteed that you're going to
be a race walk first raider and that you're just going to have a massive stream,
which is gonna get hundreds or thousands of viewers every day.
So, yeah, you need to sort of,
I mean, I think it's cool if you are that caliber of player
to jump in for a couple of tiers
and just see what, you know, make it go of things.
I think sometimes in life, you gotta see as well,
you gotta follow your passions
and see where they take you.
So being involved in the race club first
can be really cool.
I know we see players that then get into casting as well.
And it's, let me try out some casting.
and then from there, because it got all this experience,
they can take that casting
and then they can potentially even take that on
into other games as well.
And yeah, it's interesting as well
that we don't get more casters from,
like we get some, right?
But for the amount of X, race to world first raiders,
it's surprising that we don't get a lot,
lot more casters, really.
Yeah, yeah.
I guess when people quit the game, they just leave,
like they don't, they say,
like when we watch on this now,
I just want to bring you back into the game because I get jealous, I get FOMO, watching
this race, this is obviously the voice that I absolutely love doing.
I wish I could just log on, race, log off for six months, come back to the race, race, log
off for six months.
I do wish I could do that, but this game doesn't, you can't do that in this game.
Maybe Final Fantasy you could probably do that, right?
Yeah, you literally can.
In fact, that's kind of like what a lot of people complain about with the game,
much as I big up Final Fantasy, one of the glaring problems is that the content that they release
is just often not quick enough. So for example, they release their four boss raid tier. So they do
four bosses at a time, but they're pretty mega bosses and they'll still take like a week to clear
for even like hardcore, you know, day raiding guilds and stuff, it'll still take them at least a
a week, but they released that raid in January, January 6th. That is the last savage tier this year.
Yeah, I will caveat that by saying there is an ultimate that will be coming, which is like a 20 minute
in like it's like three n-bosses combined together in a 20 minute fight. So it's like
it'll be crazy, right? It'll be like a Laura. So they will be getting one of those, but yeah,
the content cadence is quite slow.
So you can sort of gear up now,
like I'm already geared, right?
I haven't logged into Fun Offense in like a few weeks
because I've been playing now.
But I'm already geared ready for the ultimate.
So as soon as I've dropped in probably July,
like I can just log in in July
having not played for a few months and I'm ready.
So yeah, that's kind of nice.
The time commitment is a bit lower.
You did also on any splits.
You can technically split a character
but I mostly only need to do two characters.
So that's pretty easy as well
or you don't have to level 20 characters.
So there's good stuff there.
And yeah, it's hard with WoW.
The time commitment with WoW is crazy.
I even found like, if you're not in it, right?
If you're not obsessed,
it's so, you lose it so quickly.
Like this expansion, for example,
I wanted to just step out of it a little bit
when it came to beta.
and I wanted to play just a little bit less.
I didn't want to do every single dungeon 50 times
and like push IO on beta and just get exhausted with it
and do every zone to exhaustion.
I wanted to log in when it released
and just experience it all as like a normal player again
a little bit.
I think sometimes the content creation
can take the enjoyment of the game out of it.
So I tried that, but then I came into this expansion
when it launched and I'm just genuinely lost.
I'm just like yeah, where are guys where am I going?
What am I supposed to be doing because you just you just lose it if you're not like obsessed you you're out of the loop and then
Yeah, but you go behind. Yeah, everyone else knows everyone. Yes. I got fancy like a super like
you know super casual that chill and
They're telling me stuff and they're like like there was a boss the other day last night
Then winter on this fire is like by the way guys when he starts bladestorming he takes 99% reduced damage
Like yeah, we know and I was like, oh, okay. I only found that out yesterday in a 16 and they were like
You only just found that out yesterday. They did like
Don't you play this game for a living? I was like, yeah
Relax like yeah, so yeah, I get what you mean. Yeah, I thought this game though
I didn't play much in the PTO at all later and I come back to the middle alpha expansion
I was like, I thought geez I don't know anything was going on right now
I actually had no idea what was going on. I was like I was mentioning that the guys like what are they here?
What's the best way to get crests, normally I know all your stuff, normally I was well
up in the night because you're in the guild, you're playing so much and you're in a discord
and you're finding all the information for the expansion, when I come into the range
to help you guys do the split, I was like, what guys, what are they doing with the
I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing with this boss.
Like, on the one, I was the one that like, Ray Lee and Split.
So I was one of the ones that like, if I wasn't trying to split A,
I was telling them all the help was what to do, right?
Yeah.
But like, I was like, this is how it feels like when the raiders are screaming,
you just do a mechanic and you don't have a single clue what you're doing.
And that was me doing that to other people before.
So I was like, I felt like the noob in the raid.
Like, what am I doing here?
Was it fun though? Like, was it fun seeing a boss and just like...
It was, yeah, yeah, it was.
Yeah, it was.
Yeah, I was basically playing off reaction instead of knowing what to do where like this is one thing
This is the one of the things I said
this is one of the things that
differentiates from a good player to an absolute really good player is that they then play from reaction
They they they're really pre-planning their position of what they're gonna do ten seconds before Zed happens, right?
Yeah
Players that struggle in raid will always be the ones that plan off reaction, which is so much harder to play
Yeah, and this is one thing I always said to the guys that I was afraid that you have to pre-plan what you're doing before it happens
It's just game so quick. Like if you're not doing that, you're gonna you're gonna mess up way more than if you are pre-plan what you're doing
Yeah, it's a knowledge game, right? Like wow is a knowledge game
That's something that classic and retail still hold in common to this day is most of it is you can you can be a
Fantastic player, right? You can be a race one first player
You haven't checked out any of the bosses. You haven't prepped any of that
You haven't prepared any of your cooldowns like you're gonna get to a boss and yeah
There's something you could probably bumble your way through
But you're gonna get to a point where you're like I'm making silly mistakes
I don't know actually even what's happening or even maybe you do live and you don't die
But your damage is maybe bad because you didn't realize like some ads are coming up that you can pad on I mean sorry kill
You know importantly so they you know it obviously you're still gonna be able to catch up quickly
But you're not gonna be you know, you're gonna you're gonna be out of the loop a little bit
She's not everything plan. Yeah
Yeah
We got the PM on top. We didn't see no BMS really in progress, but they just his boss
I think yeah, probably don't see plan Bm because I'll see his plan be on the last boss in on Lura
So there's obviously change with his stats and stuff the same of kush kush is playing
Havoc and he's actually top as well. Maybe we planned the wrong expect
Yeah, this thing like Kishan Havoc has been doing really well and if you look on Lura,
his damage is also really really good. Now I don't have the logs to then see how much
of that was ad damage but if you look now, I mean he's top on a heavy single target fight.
There is a little bit of ad stuff but at this boss is at 30% I think they've had
like one ad phase. And he was still climbing there during that since it's not like
he fell off when the ads died that they have a single target seems to really be there. What one thing
that I'm quite surprised by is that they're on any ferales whatsoever on Lura which like I know that
feral like we struggle as soon as you add any ads into the pack and have to account for that
but to be honest apart from those mid-bite crystals I think they are in in the first phase
it's like a heavy single target so I'm surprised actually we didn't see any ferales at all
because their single target is actually really good if it's pure single target so I'm kind of surprised by that
and that's not just being biased like that's when your target is actually good
yeah I guess obviously most people from the Bayer I guess they just fought while we got the Druid buffs
they obviously just probably never got to the Fowl right
yeah I guess where do you fit it in right
yeah obviously if you needed the Druid buffs then you probably would have brought the Fowl
I mean the rest of the was really good day, so
Rest of the was also good option for
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's been very very good. We were talking yesterday about in fact
I think it was you like raising the damage difference between
Miss we've a disc priest and rest of your and rest of your is basically doing negative DPS
This priest is doing a good amount. I think it was like a hundred K DPS
I don't know if that was just in the phase four if that was just across across the fight or or certain moments
But yeah, like this there's some of the healers doing a lot of damage. Some of the he was a trick. They're there
That is I think it's a tank trinket right that hot
I mean maybe it's um the many pps could be a strength drink it actually yeah
Yeah, I'm gonna find out.
I think that's good, I don't know if anyone needs the phone.
Oh, fine.
Yeah, good morning, Shane. What we're doing right now is we're doing a quick voice-fire mythic re-clear,
just on the characters which will be progressing Luromythic.
So yeah, we just live in the chat really. If you have any questions, ask me this right now.
We're basically just reaching until we go back to Luromythic progress.
So if you have any questions, anything you want to ask?
Yeah, hit us hit us up like this is more of a of a chill day like being bangers obviously with chit-chat and as casters
But like this is the one thing that is really nice about the race toward first is that we can at any point interact with the chat
And it's something that in most most like e-sport cast stuff
You don't really generally do you you might address chat, but you don't actively interact with them
But yeah if you guys got any questions you want to know anything about like the race so far if you want any recaps or anything or
Yeah, just want to know any info we'll do our best to answer it for you to the best of our knowledge and then and then we just chill
And yeah, good morning. Good morning mods. Good morning. We've already been chatting with production, but yeah
Think that production is actually off sightseeing today, aren't they bangers? Yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they are.
Yeah, he's, he hasn't got time,
he's too much time up, he's raining, there he is.
I said you're out on a nice little stroll,
you're exploring today, aren't you, in Germany?
You asked something of me?
No, no, no, I said, I said I was gonna say good morning
to you, but I think you're out on a stroll,
you're out exploring Germany, aren't you?
Yeah, yeah, my mom always wants me to use emails
to speak, yeah.
Well, your thoughts as a native progress.
So, I think progress, I actually don't think
I think progress will be as easy as you think, I think this boss is going to be made a little
bit easier for our level, but I don't think it's going to be a cakewalk, I don't think
it's going to be an easy boss deal, I think yeah, the best check might be a little bit
more leaning, but you still need to play this boss, you're not going to survive a C, go
bang, you still have an extra 1, our level on every player.
So yeah, I think progress will still be hard there guys, I don't think we're
going to get to Leroy and just kill it in one pull, but I think that we should
be able to kill the boss today.
Yeah, because everything like how much how much of this fight
This is the question right how much of this fight is solved because of gear and to be honest
I don't think it's much no Bellarin if a question
Yeah, we're okay. We're really we just want lure mythic right but Bellarin is a big high-level check boss
But lure mythic. Yeah, okay. Yes requirement now is probably less so and when you get to P4
If you don't mess up something you'll probably kill the boss from there, but getting to that point is still not going to be easy
So yeah DPS
This is big on Lyra, but I think mechanic check is even more so yeah
Yeah, definitely like most of the guilds. Okay, they they they've all had those low percent whites, right?
You can see methods best pulls at 2% light if we had across the whole team
Two or three at shine level then that's us phasing the boss
but we could also just play cleaner and then we also would have phased the boss
yeah yeah gears everything gonna help obviously everyone's gonna have a bit
more health healers are gonna do a bit more healing their DPS is gonna be a bit
more damage like it's all gonna contribute and and we should hopefully
like not have those low percentage whites but absolutely we can still be in
that position where people are dying like you say dying to seeds in P1
because they mess up the the memory game or the the clay hit some and yeah so we'll see I mean I
think like I think it dies today I don't know that it dies on our cast because I think you're here for
like two hours yeah or four out yeah I'm here five so so I don't know if it dies on our shift
because also we've got to do a little bit of re-clear which is nice that it doesn't take too
long I don't know if they'll even bother with the alleria they might go full clear um because
because they can, but, oh yeah, on main team,
I think they do.
I think they do, it's an extra 10 minutes, I think they do.
Because I know in the last week,
they were struggling with Illyria Reclear,
but that was like a split clear,
and they had less light level than they do now.
So yeah, I think they'll be absolutely chill
and skill Illyria in no time at all.
So yeah, probably decent, I think.
What about, so why does Echo not transfer to NA server
to solve the Head Start issue.
So this is something that I think people
will bring up here and there.
And I've never really commented on it too much,
but we've got some time today, bangers.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, what are your thoughts about that?
Cause we know like, you could say pink,
but then I know that there's some EU guys,
like Tobo and stuff, like they're EU,
but they raid from a facility in,
I think it might be in the UK on like a liquid facility.
What do you think about that?
There's loads of different options. There's reasons why not do that.
One, you'd obviously have to take all the radius to America, which is such a cost.
That is not cheap. If you fly to America, you think for 30 plus people,
you'd have all your radius have to go there because you would be planning that pink,
not your whole radio anyway.
Having one or two or maybe a max of three players on that pink is a bit different,
but no one goes to America and plays, so it's pink.
It would not be bad.
The other thing is the helpers obviously NA love liquid so if you moved an EU guild to
NA server you're gonna struggle a lot more getting helpers. I don't think you can have
loads of Echo fans level up characters on NA servers just to help you use splits right?
It's if you lose all your mounts, you lose all your titles, you lose everything but you
have to start a whole fresh new account. So you need so many reason to do that which
should just not think about that. I just think, okay, we go to America, you know, we just get
a log on and range. Yeah. There's so many different factors. And like we talked about earlier,
like these skills don't make much money from the race. So imagine having to spend all that
finance to get all your ratings to go to America just to play this.
Yeah, and all the way up to just a little bit, just a little bit too close to what the bosses
are. I don't know if they didn't pull the tank out quick enough, but there we go.
South and all white so that was not my bingo card. I'm gonna be honest with you. Uh-huh. Maybe we need more gear
Maybe some of the days
But yeah, there's there are so many different reasons why that's that's not really feasible
It just needs it like I just don't understand how busy clutches do a global race
I just don't get it. They could do a global release for expansion releases. Why can't you just do it for a long time?
Yeah
Yeah, I don't know. I think it's just kind of like Blizzard being stuck in their ways
I mean I could look at it this way right? I like to think is that is there anything that global release?
Would have a negative impact on the average player because this is something that I like to be very aware
we are not like
We are not the average player and you got to think about how much should Blizzard
support like the race to old fast at the detriment of the average player now I
try and think about how could we get global release without negatively
impacting the average player and I think the the only thing I think I can think
of is that if your guild raids on a Wednesday you reset and then and then it
releases on let's say a Tuesday globally I mean Blizzard generally seems to do
global stuff on like a Thursday so let's just say it releases on a Thursday
and you raid like Wednesday, Sunday or something then you've lost technically a bunch of world
ranks potentially because your raid day shifts and maybe you've locked that raid day in for
like years now where you always raid on a Wednesday but in the grand grand grand scheme
is that really that big a deal and if you're that bothered about world ranks could you
not all shift over to the Thursday instead of the Wednesday you know what I mean like
if you're that bothered. So I don't, I don't see ultimately an issue with that. I'm trying
to think if there's anything else that would negatively impact the average player by global
release. I mean, I personally, sorry, Vega, that was going to finish up to say, I personally
absolutely detest the fact that it's a new patch day. Everybody's excited. And then
you just watch and all the content first, they get all the drops and every, you know,
I mean, I guess we got together but they're doing all the neat stuff. It's just it's such that, you know
It's the Squidward looking out of his bedroom window
It's it's just awful. I hate it. Yeah, it's the worst
There's nothing worse than when you have to watch the energy first. It's on the old new content. It's like
I said it's like that meme where you
Perhaps it's looking at the level of Squidward. Yeah, it's just so it's so sad
But I just I don't think they'll ever change it. I don't think I don't think yeah
I don't really see a negative on the average casual player
I don't really know why they won't ever change it
But they just set in their ways and it's more the ego thing from business like we've never done it before
We're not gonna do it and we're never gonna change it. It's yeah
I think they just know that it was not ever gonna stop plan. Well, actually they may be so plan
But like they just I don't know
I think the Rastore first is so big for the game as well though, I think it's same for the game.
It's not even the Rastore first, like to be honest, I could care less for the Rastore first, I want it for me bro, I'm selfish.
I want it for me, like I just said, I think a lot of players, like Mr. GM, he's not a Rastore first raider,
he's always tweeting out how annoying it is that content comes out and he's just watching NA.
Yeah, I mean he loses money because of it, there's no way he doesn't.
he doesn't he loses money because yeah I mean there's a little uh you could say
there's a bias there but ultimately like he wants to play the game we all want to
play the game yeah so it is it is annoying watching uh
because it's even just like the discovery aspect it's an mmorpg
it's really cool to be involved with like the discovery of new content and
everyone gets the new zone or whatever and everyone can go out and explore and
find all the secrets when you're just watching and I unlock all of those
secrets first and then by the time you seem to get there on
Wednesday, it's like most of the stuff has been discovered it sort of removes a
little bit of that I suppose but yeah I mean global release like you know I
don't even care about doing the whole like oh we don't make the face the race
fair like you know we've all had those conversations we all know that race is
only fair if the competitors start at the same time I mean Jesus it's not even
like I don't know why that's even a controversial opinion. Imagine a marathon
where five people get to start 30 minutes before everyone else you're like well it's
it's yeah it's like that was happening start 10 seconds before anyone's in f1
yeah it's actually the same thing like you just wouldn't ever do it because it's
happened so good he's never gonna lose and this is the problem now it's
and they used to not be very good there's to be real and they used to not be very good
in the race well first but back in the blood losing day it's like we they never ever
won really uh so no one cared no one cared because it wasn't ever affecting the race that much
like EU just used to come in and stop NA every time because that's it. We always had the better
kill. But now Liquid are very, very, very good. So now with this advantage it's so hard to catch him
because they have all the resources, they have the skilled players. And so on the chat saying
that honestly if you don't care about the race law first that's like absolute lie because
you they would not make a boss like Lyra if they did not care about the race law first.
They do. I spoke him to Ian face to face. He's literally looked me in the eyes and said
we care about the race law first so like that boss is never ever being killed
by any other guild other than the race will first killed that boss is the same
like if you come with your little friends that boss should be 3000 calls
later you would not be passed P1 and that's a fact like bangers does have
hands today wow yeah yeah I think so like this is a thing I will say about
this race in particular, this was absolutely not a global release issue. I'll absolutely like,
I don't think anyone thinks, oh, if it was global release, then things would have looked different.
Echo had many opportunities to have taken this one and they didn't quite manage to do that.
But I don't think this was a global release issue. That doesn't mean that previous ones
haven't been and future ones won't be and it would just be really cool like I
said I'm not even too bothered about it from a race or bus perspective like at
the end of the day you just get on with it but it would be cool for the average
player and that's why I would push it because you'll probably more likely to
get it for the average player which then will positively impact the race
rather than trying to get it for the race and trying to convince that it
will be okay for the average player you know what I mean like yeah you got
to design the argument to how you're gonna hopefully get the thing that
you want and I think that's how you probably push it yeah no yeah I think
Ekko probably would have won with the head start I actually do I think yeah I
think so I think people don't realize how OP that would actually be especially if
you're as good as these top two guilds I'd love to see it now I'd love to see
Ekko go first one time and just let Liquid go behind just see how it would
actually play out I would love to see that just to see I do think Ekko obviously Ekko
should have still won they definitely choked at the end there's no way of
have said that about that but I think having that lead actually is so much more IP than
people think it actually is. Yeah, so you think, okay, fair enough, I mean I'd be open to like,
obviously, yeah, that. Obviously we would never know, it's a discussion if you're just going to
make people tilted and you would have like the fans coming to say absolutely no way, you've
got echo fans coming to say yeah, you're so right. But yeah. Good morning, Max.
I've been thinking of Liquid a lot, I've said that they're like my father best ever ever
ever, so I'm not even a backshack, I personally think that, I think, okay, but then again,
it was very tight and it's hard to say, we're never going to know, we're never going to
know obviously, they're never going to change how it's run, so we always can have this
fact, Liquid are too good to have that head start, they know.
It never used to be, obviously we've never used to have an NA game like Liquid, so it never
used to really make a factor at all.
Yeah, yeah, I mean Max literally just caught it up there, but I was going to comment on that
like, because I was watching the post-race stuff and he was literally saying that like,
he's saying and I, hopefully Max you know you can correct me if I speak out of town
here, but he was saying like they messed up their splits, I don't know if they
they messed up with their loop, like designation.
So they technically sort of a day behind
and actually saying like, it's given me a lot of perspective.
I don't know what he then went on to that perspective was
but he said, I've given me a lot of perspective
on the sort of the head start.
And so yeah, so that I'm sure he'll do some content
on that and that'll be interesting to hear.
But yeah, I don't know.
It's one of those, like I say,
I think global release would be really cool
just for the average player.
So that's what I'm looking at it from
is, you know, race of the world first
is it's a community esports.
So it's always gonna have a little bit of jank to it.
It's always gonna have a little bit of, you know,
sort of, you know, like splits, right?
Like splits a jank.
It's always probably gonna have those sorts of things.
But I think if we,
I think for the average player, it'd be cool to have.
I just can't see any negative having a global release.
I don't know what I can't do, maybe Max knows more
from NA. I think I know Liquid also would love to just have everyone play on the same level
playing field because all this shit just doesn't get spoken about, right? Everyone, you don't
start F1 race, like I said, 10 seconds and start the other team. Race should be all
started at the same time. It's just fucking weird. Echo should have won. Echo should have
won. They definitely choked at the end. There's no question saying that, but I would
just love to see this race be played at the same at the same time. Yeah, yeah, it would be it would
be cool. It would be cool to see obviously. And and maybe maybe we'll get there one day, like I say,
and I know that the race is important to visit. To be honest, I was I was kind of dooming last
week. I was, you know, I was worried. Well, not last week, sorry, the week before where
when we saw Void Spy go down, I was like,
oh, maybe, I was even saying stuff,
I was like, maybe we have to look,
maybe we have to readdress how the race looks going forward.
Like maybe the raid teams need to change
how they do the race,
because if the content's gonna be this easy,
like I was worried guilds were gonna fall apart,
but I was like, sponsors are gonna leave,
this race is gonna be over in 20 minutes,
this is terrible.
But luckily we ended up having one of,
I mean one of the most epic like races of of then I can remember anyway that that secret phase was insane
Seeing that I think was was so cool because normally as well that stuff gets data-mined so
It comes up in conversation, but then everyone sort of settles on oh, yes
There is one and and we know
And then it's just like okay, but what will it kind of look like and then
People seem to for some reason think that it it then wasn't I don't know why I don't know why
It was like oh maybe there isn't a secret phase and then they're what I mean
I never suspected there was a secret phase. I never I never I was watching the kill live actually all well the kill
I'm watching it live and then
Yeah, there's no achievement. There was no
Yeah, well I was I was just so glad that liquid got a zero percent white because
Zero zero percent secret phase because if that was echo like they've been craving that world first kill for like the last four
Great right if they look at bosses ever sent and they thought they wanted that point
It would have been meant to be so fucking down, bro.
Seeing that boss was back to 1 billion HP,
I was so happy there was actually liquid.
Because Ekko, like, I could have just did Jinji,
like, you run across the room celebrating before boss
even died, but I didn't even realize that the boss
actually come back to health 1 billion HP,
like, it would have been, I'm actually so glad
that it was actually liquid, but got that,
because I think Ekko just got it.
Yeah, it was cool.
It would have been a really cool method had got it,
but yeah, I'll give it a liquid or an Ekko.
Yeah, it was cool.
is is is really really awesome I mean I think I think there's yeah tweets like
even just about some of like the cast's reactions to it and stuff as well and yeah
it's a Max saying he just said there was a hundred percent gonna be a secret
phase and at that time I believe that then after doing that whole boss just
did not think there was any way that could be another phase after it felt
final yeah yeah yeah yeah I remember you saying the other day like it felt
final and that's it did like well from a viewer perspective anyway like it felt
like the fight was hard enough or long enough had enough meat to it you know
like P I think when P1 is as front-loaded as it is because it's different boss
design right you can have like front-loaded where the difficulty a lot
of it is like instantly yeah at the beginning of the fight some fights less
so and actually like as you go on it rants up and rants up I mean I still
personally think that p3 looks pretty tough the constellation formations look pretty rough with the
you know with the spreads and the sigils and needing to avoid those constellations and stuff but
p1 is obviously especially pre-nerf the the hardest phase people yeah probably say um
so you look at the fight as a whole and when it starts as quick as it does you think well yeah
it there's no secret phase and it's the first boss as well and Blizzard is simplifying the game
There's been so many radical changes that was there's no real reason to think there would be apart from maybe the law reasons where it would just be cool for a boss like
Laura to have a secret phase, but yeah, I think that for me, this has been the best race so far. So it's just crazy. Cause if you ask me that two weeks ago, I would say absolutely not with the state that boys fire was in.
I would say we look kind of forgot about the four days of splits because the last two bosses were pretty bad. I mean, Bellarine was good to watch, probably not so fun to play as much as a spectacle view.
I think that was the same boss to watch but with Lura I think P3 actually in my head was probably the hardest phase
P1 was obviously the hardest because as it was at the start of the fight
I feel like it wasn't as hard as P3, you think you would plan for six or seven minutes as such insane boss
You'll get a bit nervous, you know when you get the P4 you're probably gonna have to be charged to kill the boss
So you don't want to block the siege, you don't want to hit a star
So I think if you actually were to flip the phases it would be a bit different
Like if you start, quick phase 3 would be one of the harder phases, but yeah, P1 was just insane.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why also I think P3 is harder than P1 from a viewer perspective, again that's all I can give.
Because you're deeper into the fight, so wiping in P1 I think in terms like just mentally is probably less taxing right?
Because if you wipe 20 seconds in it's kind of like a whatever.
No one's really gonna give you a hard time but wiping in p3 it feels like
Feels like
Yeah, the pressure comes in and that's why I think it was you yesterday that I was asking like how much does the pressure?
Impact the player and our race toward first players built a little different. Okay, no change from this one
Unfortunately, are they built a little bit different when it comes to handling the pressure of seeing a new face for the first time or?
Okay, I mean we saw lip
much new potential in that, but like that's a built different mentality right there. The
THD victory salute mid boss kill, you know, stuff like that. But yeah, it's interesting
to think about sort of the player mentality going into it. Especially, I wonder, does
that change from it being your first tier to it being like your fifth tier with the
guild, where the pressure just fades away the more you're with the team?
Yeah, I mean, this is also why liquid Echo are so successful. I mean obviously they have amazing players
But their players have been doing this for a long time
So they have that knowledge they have the experience that yeah been they've been doing this for many years now
They've kept a tight-knit group like you see liquid players don't really change much
They obviously take a couple of good players here and there farm guilds, but their actual group of players are very tight
They've been doing this for a long time
This is obviously where Mephid struggled a little bit because when they get to the hard
bosses and they have players which have not had that mental battle before, it is hard.
It's very hard.
I was obviously doing the race for a long, long time and planned this amount of hours
a day.
When you see Liquid obviously pushing early hours in the morning, these bosses are
very hard to be done on and you have to be a special type of player to be able
to do that for a long period of time.
It's the same with Beko as well when they were trying to kill the boss with
the R then they could kill it.
that is going to be hard, like really hard.
Yeah, yeah definitely.
Yeah, it's interesting to think about from the player perspective and what they do to better prepare.
I mean I was wondering as well about, there's going to be something I was thinking about when it comes to player preparation for...
Oh yeah, I was wondering, like...
So okay, so I was like we spoke a bit about formula one right like I was watching a video yesterday a formula one
Like pundits so you know Crofty right and and it shows him inside
sort of the the cast of booth and
He's got all these notes and like access to all this information
He's done on the track layout and the the drivers
I was gonna say the players but on the drivers and everything
He's got like all these details that he's prepped over the course of of the week ready for that race
don't players have that sort of thing? Like, are players there making sort of, you know,
have they got post-it notes in front of them of telling them, you know, we've got some
post-it notes in front of them? Like, how much actual, like, tangible preparation do
they have in front of them, just for any, like, you know, even in terms of their preparation
for leveling their characters and, like, getting their crest farms and all the activities
that they've got to do to gear up their characters or is it just it stays up in their head and
they just pop a couple of energy drinks and get on with it.
It's just many, many meetings before anything happens.
So like before Raid tier comes out you have Strat meetings, you have Platinum meetings,
you have everything.
There's so much pre-planning goes into the racefield first, pushers like it's not
just you just log in, do a couple of PTR bosses, contest it and that's it, like
you try and figure out these bosses many, many months before they even come out right.
Yeah.
was one boss I come which was we actually put a post on my PC because it would help me on the
boss and I come which was bro but there was one boss in I think it was a sepulcher and there was
other rains as post it notes on the second screen as well like this it might actually help you
remember something I come from what was there it's just in my head for some reason yeah yeah
there are some really weird things you can do help in this game but yeah it does take a lot
I had a friend who, when he was learning Starcraft, he would have on Post-it notes,
literally on his monitor, he'd have Post-it notes of his build timings, or various things,
and like when he wants to like, you know, build his marines and whatever, and I mean,
I don't play Terran, but like, yeah, when he needs to send his second barracks or whatever,
so, yeah, it's pretty funny, but I know we got like, I mean, hey, we've got Max in chat,
We've got logok in chat. Yeah, we got saying about the results and stuff
Yeah, I mean logok logok mentioned about sort of this the splitting between
Method echo when it comes to like player
Like method echo just take pairs for each other and it makes each other weaker
But liquid is just the goats in NA so like they have they have all the choice. They want and also they're massive
He was a big funding
Yeah, echo method is just struggling out here need they're taking heads of each other to make each other stronger
Which is then make each other weaker. It's like a full team, right?
Like I said to you earlier, if you're a potion player from your favorite team, you're making them weaker and stronger, but then it's the vice-versa, so yeah, so...
You definitely have that problem more than NA. Liquid have instant dollars being able to feed a guild where they retire their players and like, you know...
But yeah, Liquid are a really good guild, I'm not saying that they deserve every win that they've had. They're insane.
That's it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, from the method channel perspective, like in terms of what method, you know...
Yeah, it's another girl in our region taking quality helpers. I would want them dead for sure.
In game. Yeah, I think for sure. I mean, we look at the history of BDGG, right? Well, BDG,
who became BDGG. And them and like, I think they had a similar issue, right? Like I mentioned
pieces when it comes to like, they were just having to rebuild their roster every
tier and stuff like that. So I like having a lot more competition in general across the scene is
I think it's it's it's bad for a couple guilds it's good for maybe uh players good for casters
as well to be honest more events would be nice yeah um more opportunities in casting would be
great uh we always like those but um yeah the the races are all is I mean it's just
just, Logoq got asked this the other day actually on broadcast about whether or not the race
is at its peak in terms of development. And I actually disagreed with Logoq's answer.
He said yes, he thinks that the race, and I don't want to speak out of it. I mean, I
know Logoq's in chat so you can always comment, but he was saying about like he thinks
everything that sort of can be found has been found when it comes to the race,
but I actually disagree. I think there's always going to be more that you can push.
I think there's always going to be more that you can refine. And again, another formula
one analogy, but I mean, you know, they're pushing for 0.1, one of a, like, you know,
a point, point two of a second from a lap or something if they can, you know, they're
looking for these very, very, very small margins. I'm sure there's, I'm sure there's more development
that can be had on the race, but I do wonder what's like, what's the next big thing that
significantly impacts the race or a team, whether a team individually is able to
to elevate or whether as a whole the race is able to elevate in some capacity, and I just
wonder about that. That's not something I have an answer for or expect you to have an
answer for, but I just think I'm curious about what could come next, you know.
I just think analysts are the goats of the race for first. I was watching obviously,
I don't want to keep talking about liquid neck, we're on the Mephish stream right,
but obviously they're doing it very clear, so liquid obviously hard. I think the add-ons
or something for Liquid and it was like, I'm actually going to say that it's like a 10%
gain for their Racer well first. Like I think analysts are so underrated. It's so insane. And I
think Mephyn, Echo and Liquid obviously probably have a few more analysts that definitely helps a
lot. There's so much stress behind the Racer well first that you don't even think about
that it's not just these 20 players playing in the raid, which is going to make the team
win. There's like analysts, there's people checking logs, there's people doing splits,
as people had not the loom, there's people making islands now, there's people making
sequels, weekles, fucking meekles, there's so much shit going on right now.
And yeah, I think it's crazy how important these people are to these very small first guilds.
Yeah. Yeah, because good analysts are going to help you with good, I remember speaking,
may have been you as well actually, or shaken saying, I know you guys were saying about how
you were struggling sometimes with splits because you actually were struggling to figure out where to send the loot and how to optimize the loot split.
So just being able to, and like I think Kane has shared that he's had spreadsheets of like 1200 pieces of loot on a spreadsheet.
He's got to try and figure out where to put these.
And obviously as well, there's also the comp predictions.
So we look now and literally at now and he's got the Guardian Druid going on.
I think we're probably going to see him just on Guardian Druid today, which is interesting
because I would have thought now with the extra gear they probably would have just kept the comp the way that it was.
But it looks like he's probably making the swap now for Guardian as well.
We've seen the amount of damage that Guardian Druid can do and just add on,
add on, especially when you're running two resto druids, because the resto aren't really
bringing too much in terms of damage. That extra guardian's going to be very, very helpful.
I've seen some logs in terms of guardian druids damage in the bellaren a phase and it's mental.
It's like behind the org vocals. It's like fifth or something. So, yeah. But the, yeah, I think,
I think this race, like, you know, like saying about it being like culturally relevant. I mean,
even just the fact that we've got casters like you've got dash over in liquid you've got medic over
echo um who's what what lol esports cast where we get in here at method i don't know
i technically did some tft so i'll take that um but you know it's like there's there's absolutely
i mean i was checking twitter when when the boss when the secret phase happened and then when the
the boss died and like particularly I don't think there was even as much hype when the
boss died I think people knew it was coming I think people knew the boss was dying that
day but I think for the secret phase particularly that was massive and I think I think actually
the next step in the race told first I think I've got the answer the answer isn't for
to come from the players and the Raiders the answer is to come from Blizzard I think
yeah Blizzard designing these fights in a way that makes them shocking and exciting
at the same time is is is pretty cool it's pretty epic i don't know how you keep getting
away with that though right if you put a secret phase on every last boss is it still special
i think kind of you have this boss that nobody tests and then there's also this extra element to
it i think that's pretty cool would it wear off i don't know maybe i'm just let's find out yeah i'm
just so surprised that they got alleria mythic tuners so wrong but then got lyra mythic
tuning so right like how does that even happen like the allure mythic tuning was so off right
there's no question about that but like then you look at like lura you think how but that's like the
most amazingly tuned boss probably one and ever like it was boss that didn't really need any nerf
i mean the baby nerf made he won obviously you get 3p one a bit easier which was obviously so
needed for progress um but how about how about like that which you don't really need to nerf
health wise at all. It's so well tuned and it was insane to watch. I've never seen, I've never,
I've not personally, I've never been so high watching the race before. I've seen,
I've seen Liquid Ops, he gets that zero percent and I was sat up late watching that and I was so,
I was so excited. So Lara came back to life on Easter Sunday bro and then she died midnight.
Crazy bro. You can't tell me Blizzard can't tune things well, okay? I don't want to hear
another bad word about blizzard tuning all right they were having their sunday dinners while uh
while this boss was getting resurrected it's pretty sick um yeah it's uh it's good fun and yeah chat
so we're doing some splits we're like well it's not splits sorry it's a reclear it's just a reclear
okay if you look at the raid comp and the raid team it's all everybody on their mains we're just
gonna do a quick reclear and then we're gonna jump into um i don't know if we're even gonna
bother with bellaren because bellaren is actually harder than anything in void spy it might just
be a bit of a waste of time. We'll see what the Raiders end up calling for there. Robin's
going to go down here so we're going to have to get it back up. If we've got a battle rest,
we do have a battle rest. So yeah, Robin will get back up. We'll be okay. We'll be okay.
Have they already killed one? No, one of the Paladins I think is still in the back
and then they'll be joining Frey. Okay, yeah, so they'll have this pretty,
pretty handedly. It seems like Sal Hadar is the life condition for a lot of
of rehab with those pesky orbs but yeah I mean the the race is all I think I think
it's been really epic to like this one's just been really really sick to witness
so it's been it's been really cool to be a part of to be honest as well like as
the caster like the amount of progress that method made as well yesterday but
also the day before where they chunked off from 50% down to like 12% within
space of a couple of hours was really awesome and it was a push that probably came a little
bit too late but like kudos to the players to be that deep into the race and then still
just go and annihilate this boss for a good amount of time was really awesome.
Didn't quite manage to get the P4 yesterday though we came very, very, very close.
Obviously I think we will see P4 today.
I think it will be during our shift.
I hope it will be during our shift and I hope to be able to cast a little bit
of it.
As we can pretend that we haven't seen a single boss kill actually, I hope that's how lucky I've been with my cast.
I don't think I have either actually. I think maybe one of the early ones.
Yeah, I've either been cast in M+, or Reclis.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's an amazing race. I think that he's definitely pulled out stocks the last two bosses for sure
This definitely made me think it about the four days of impasse of the youth had to do
I think this race would have been absolutely epic if if
March bananas was released like without gay at times
So you went straight from a lyric mythic to the last two bosses that would absolutely perfect in my opinion
You know, only you mentioned that
Um, I'm sorry. Did you have any more that you wanted to finish off? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was good
I was gonna say like that the what do you feel about the splitting of the of the Raid tiers because I
So I had a high expectations like I was thinking I was what I was looking forward to from more of like a storyline
Perspective when it comes to the race
I was hoping that Illyria was gonna be hard enough
But still killable week one and be in a situation where one of the guilds kills Illyria
but maybe the two others don't or one of the others don't or you know whatever and we get some kind of split combination where
one of the guilds doesn't have to
Re-kill Illyria, but the other guilds do
But then that was based on the tuning of the final two bosses March and Queldon ass being easy enough
Where they were killable without you to go and re-clear earlier, but obviously we then were in a situation where
it didn't really matter if he'd killed Illyria we've won or not because
the last two were so uh
Yeah, so hard anyway. I think that would have been an interesting dynamic
I think it would have also been cooler if Chimeras was
Harder, I think if Chimeras is more of like a vanguard in terms of difficulty was more of like a 3040 kill boss
but I've seen some people saying that their guild is splitting mythic Chimeras and
Well, definitely on like heroic and stuff as well
What do you think about the three tiers in general because I I like it from the average player perspective
I also, I like it from the race perspective as a caster, pen, like, you know, storyline dependent.
But yeah, so I think, I actually like, I mean, I'm not a hater, I'm not a lover really, I don't really
I prefer the old way, but I'm not really a hater of the new way, if this is their new way.
If they can make a raid, which is like accessible to the actual average casual player, like,
voiced by a once, voiced by a once an easy raid, right, like, hugs can come in here,
probably kill a few bosses you can have your casual friends come in here kill some bosses
actually get some mythic loot and then if you're going to make another race like
purposely for the race go first like Mark Woodhouse was um I'm all for that um yeah but yeah I'm not
really hate I'm not really a lover I think it is good in some ways and I think there's obviously
negatives for other ways um yeah but yeah they definitely pulled out of the bag with the
last three bosses though uh I think the last three bosses were were insanely fun to watch at
at least from my perspective.
I think as well, like that's important is good visual bosses.
Yeah, I don't like sometimes there are bosses that are probably great
from a radar perspective, especially in the race award first,
but they're not always great from a viewer perspective
because you don't really know what's going on and somebody has to explain
the fight to you before you can appreciate it and get involved
in what's happening. There are certain ones like Bella Ren.
I don't think you really need too much explanation.
You can see this this split color you got the light you got the void one of them is good
One of them is bad, and it just depends on who you are. So a fight like Bella Ren is fantastic
I think a fight like Holondrus as well
You might want a little bit of an explanation on some of the seeds and how they work
But generally you can visually like take in Holondrus and enjoy it
A boss like Payne Smith again
Like so a lot of these bosses which historically have also seemed to be fun for the race for the first perspective
I've also been fan favourites um I know Halondra's is one of my favourite fights of all time just to see
I was so excited to reach it as a Raider and when I did it wasn't quite what it was in the race
Which was a bit of a bummer, but it was it was still pretty cool. I mean I wasn't a seed character a
Seed carrier thank God, so it was never really gonna be too hard for me, but
Yeah, I think voice like what something I like about the split tier is that
you can take a guild who don't normally jump into mythic maybe and they can say
right guys why don't we just do void spy or why don't we just do the six those
last two and I you know I'll exclude chimeris for now like those last two beyond
our reach but we can go and get a complete arc within the void spy we
can get a cutting edge week I think you get cutting edge actually yeah yeah
so we can go and get like a complete arc we're just doing that but we don't
have to then jump up into that extra tier. So it kind of, it creates a split in tier from
just having regular Mythic bosses, but then having sort of like this Mythic Plus. Okay,
sorry, that's a different game mode. But you know what I mean, Mythic, I need another name,
not Mythic Plus. Mythic squared maybe, I don't know, but I think it's cool to have that
separation a little bit. Yeah, no. Oh, I'd like to actually know what Max thinks of the
the gated raid slow it was that fun for a racefield first perspective like
matter of maximal sorts anymore because what I said earlier but uh hopefully he does um
like what was it what was it like being a racefield first raider like uh so me that had been like
you can see what would have to be four five days a bit in class like with a down time the
momentum like completely goes like voice by me if it was maybe basically points like you
literally you didn't gain any advantage from killing the lyrium first or anything like that
But I wonder how the Rageful first game actually found that.
Try to keep their players motivated and stuff in such a big downtime.
I kind of, for me, I partly enjoyed the Mythic Splits.
Again, I don't know what it's like from the radar perspective
and I'd be interested to hear from raiders about that.
But I kind of like the Mythic Splits because at least
you're seeing the content on the hardest difficulty
and as a viewer, as a caster, you feel like you're sort of in a way
doing your own prep work for the raid. Sometimes with the splits, if you're watching normal or
heroic, it doesn't feel like you're getting meaningful data from it. But then when you
watch Mythic, well, this is really cool, actually, because I know how these guilds are
sort of moving and solving this on Mythic, so I can take some of that to my own guild. So it's
like bonus credit homework, but it's also cool when the loot is more impactful. You know,
You know, you see some like mythic trinket drops and stuff and it's pretty hype.
So I like that a bit more.
Obviously, splits are generally not as exciting, but it's a good time to chat, to be honest.
And get chat back up, you know, caught up to speed and stuff with just the event is sometimes having that downtime of splits is also has it has it's bonuses.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, hopefully we can kill this boss, Lure Mithic, and we can go straight back to Lure progress.
That'd be fun to watch.
actually some uh yeah most progress at least yeah yeah definitely definitely um
yeah it's funny actually uh
max saying about the um yeah just talking about i guess the conversation stuff with the race but
yesterday the method stream was a little bit like a car park brawl i was casting and we had
We had some Echo players coming in, we had some Liquid players coming in, and this was kind of like the
Wild West. People just got to chat a little bit in here and settle their differences, which was pretty fun.
I mean it was all pain, it wasn't out of hand, but it was just
for some reason everybody came here to beef. It was pretty funny.
It was pretty funny, but yeah chat we're just doing, so
fingers will be right back, so I'm just going to chill and chat with you for a sec, but
We've got mythical area, so this is just a re-clear. This is not a split. We're just going to settle through this pretty quickly.
My guild is actually currently progming alleria, so it's cool to see. Again, I'm getting some homework in. I'm getting some of my pro... I mean, I'm on the bench, but whatever.
Yeah, it is what it is. It is what it is.
But if you guys have any questions today, please feel free to send them.
The raiders are going to finish this, and then they're going to be jumping straight into March of Quildenas, so be jumping into that.
Yeah, if you have any questions any comments or anything
Then I'll be happy to try and answer him with whatever it whatever you got
With whatever you got
And then there's a lot of a lot of discussion at the moment
Yeah
But we do see some people go down we got sugar down we got gloom going down
Do we have any battle rises? I always we've okay now's POV hold on he keeps him by yeah
He keeps him by this damage meter
Looks like we've got one coming up in a sec. So we should be fine. I mean we'll meet this damage check even with 2 DPS down
I think I
Really like in this in an Illyria having to hit the the spirits or the shades with the
Blaze pretty sick actually
It is it is I used to live in Japan. So it is a series of Osaka shirt. Yes
Yeah, it's pretty sick dude, the Japanese football fans are insane, so I used to live in Osaka for like 6 months
and I was right near the stadium, so I went to as many games as I could
and they're just so fun, they've got like an ultra section
And they do not stop cheering and like hollering and singing and everything and chanting for the full game
Even before the game you try and get a seat there and they're already set up all the ultras are there
They got their flags waving and everything. It's it's crazy. It's really good fun actually. Yeah
Yeah, definitely. That's cool. Yeah
Yeah, definitely
Yeah, we get killed here. I'll be a kill here so we can go straight to Lurebid for progress
So, who knows?
Yeah, well, so there's some controversy of an Echo.
That is a cast that's been flamed liquid all the while.
I don't understand what it makes to sound really.
I want to know the cast.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know too much.
I mean, I know every race, there's a bit of back and forth.
I mean, that's the best I've had, though.
I think that's sports, that is sports.
Yeah.
And having a bit of controversy is fine with a race.
It should be like that.
Yeah, you think?
Yeah, I think it makes it spicy, yeah, it should be, like, sports fans hate other sports fans and obviously hate you, but like, it caused that rivalry, it makes you want to win even more.
Like, if Ekko, Flamin Liquid or Ekko, Mephid, or Flamin Liquid or whatever, it makes you want to beat them even more, right?
Yeah, get your back up a little bit.
And yeah, I mean, Liquid, Liquid, but they're back-of-rides right now, and that's, that's, there's no hiding that, the one, the last four raids in the road, so, it's what it is.
Yeah, I think some players will respond well to a little bit of, a little bit of, a little bit of, I don't know, what do you call it, flame or what not, like some players will respond differently, some people it's going to really fire him up, the bacteria and stuff, yeah, I guess everyone's just a little bit.
Yeah, everyone's different.
Different in how they do it.
Yeah.
But that is that you have to be mentally strong like like the poor jingy. I feel so sorry for him
He obviously he had oh, bro. Yeah, like I went to Twitter and I saw all these flame about didn't you like
I'll see you never want to see that sort of shit where it's talking at one person because everyone everyone's human
But he doesn't tell people so yeah
Oh yesterday, it was pretty good actually
Yeah, well, yeah, I actually like that as far as I can go.
Yeah, you have to be mentally strong to do this shit, and in any sport, so it's often, you have to be mentally strong.
That's a big part of it.
I mean, WoW is not a hard game to play.
You have to be mentally strong, you have to be able to play this game at 6 hours a day at an intense level.
Actually, skill-wise, WoW is probably one of the easiest eSports to play at the top level.
have to be very mentally strong. Obviously the difference level between a top player and
a reasonable first player and a top 10 player is a bit different. Obviously it's huge, but
I'm just saying like I think WoW is a lot more mentally taxed than actual skill-wise
really.
Yeah, I was saying earlier like WoW is absolutely a big knowledge game. I think knowledge
and experience, I mean it's weird to say that because it's like as if knowledge
in League of Legends isn't important, obviously it is, but yeah in terms of mechanical skill,
I mean I can't comment on the race level, I think from the kind of content that I'm doing,
I think it's more so knowledge and experience a lot of the time, rather than people that,
there are a couple people, so I've got a guy in my guild Rampage who's just this insane
warrior and just always 100 passes and just rarely dies and just seems to always be doing
well. So you know, you have those players like that, like those are the, you know, when you
have standout players in a guild, that to me is always impressive because it takes a
lot I think to really stand out where other people are able to notice you during their
play and notice you during a tier where they go yeah this guy was consistently
really good and I noticed that and in that in that vein are there any players
that you played with over the years that you think particularly are like wow this
guy we we know this is yeah yeah definitely I always say the top three
guilds they play secure the boss so yeah no one cares about damage like everyone
knows the top players can do top damage but the top three guilds they'll be playing to
actually make sure the boss dies instead of how good they look on the damage meter when
you play the top 10 guild everyone's just trying to be top on the meter like everyone's
like padding on ads and not doing top smooth damage but it's a whole different ball
game in a top three but then it's your plan to kill the boss as quick as possible get
to the next one, the plan to win, it's a whole different ball game so yeah that's
difference. You have to change your mentality and that's obviously when you're recruiting someone
from these like top 10 guilds and you're having these players join you for like a tier and they're
not used to the race well first it obviously shows a lot because you can tell like they're
they just want to look good on stream and they're not trying to play to win but the top top players
they don't care about what happens when they look on stream they just want to win right so you
do everything you can to just win the race yeah yeah yeah I think like in terms of though like
people making good plays being consistently like people that I think
it's people that have spare capacity as well like for me those are people that
always stick out people that can perform their job but always feel like they can
take on that little bit extra as well there are certain fights as well like
if you're consistently assigned a mechanic it's always to me that always
sticks out as well where I mean I never get assigned mechanics in my guild I
I thought that's because they like me.
It's probably because they're not very good.
No, no.
Oh, that's a rude awakening, but fair enough.
So yeah, I do always just wonder like,
you are gonna be giving your,
a lot of responsibility to your more experienced players.
Do you have some people come in who are trials and stuff
and you're gonna be giving them harsh responsibility?
And would you try and soften some of that?
Depends.
Obviously like, for example, I'm paying spit for this.
I was the guy that we marked everyone to follow it, not get hit by the spikes, right?
Because sometimes you want to have one player take all the punch move for everyone else.
So you want just one player, you follow, put a mark on the head, follow him.
And hopefully it will reduce wipes.
And then having like 20 people just try to figure out themselves, right?
There are some bosses where it definitely helps to do that.
And another one, as I said with Logok, I think it was Kil'Jane.
I think he was marked in the zones which was free at the end of kill Jay, because he just had a really good eye to do it.
And some players just have this like little nick and mental thing, which is crazy. It's really weird.
Sometimes just get some points quicker than other players and you have to use that as a positive.
Yeah, that's definitely, like that's why I like some complexity in some of the fights where players can have sort of a good eye for a certain mechanic.
There are some mechanics that certain people can do.
I think yeah, you're gonna see for a lot of guilds people gonna. Yeah, I can't see the guy. I cannot see the glade
And then yeah other fights your people who yeah, they'll get things quite quick or they'll they'll miss things
Yeah, yeah, it was really fascinating actually to talk to logok as well
Like it was great to do some casting with him and we got three days in a row where it was
It was cool to then be able to just get comfortable picking picking his mind on a lot of stuff as well
and
Yeah, he had some really good insights actually, so it was cool to cast him and he's ruthless though
He's a little bit best friend for a long time, like we love it
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
And with Malcolm in real life and stuff, we've gone to parties and stuff, so we have a good time
Yeah
Yeah, he's a bit like me, like he's mechanically a very good player
Unfortunately, he's always playing the same class, so he's a bit annoying, like who can be a bit...
It was a bit crap when we played together, so one of us would be and one of us would be out.
But no, I look at because he's been an operator for a lot of years in this game.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like I was saying, with his ruthlessness, he's quite...
He's real.
He expects a lot, yeah, he expects a lot. He expects performance, he expects people to perform and stuff.
Like he won't try away from being like this player needs to do better, okay he wouldn't
call me like that, but you know what I mean he would be like oh you know we need to perform
better as a guild, we need to do this, we need to do that and uh.
He just, well we just want the best method right and that's what we want.
And he just goes here now as well so.
Oh and we got Scrope coming in as well, can we get all the raid leaders on our morning?
Yeah, yeah.
It's not even 9am, it's 9am bro.
Can I get another raid leader in here?
Uh, yeah, good morning, Scott.
Good morning.
Predictions on pool count?
That is a good question.
Um, I mean, we've been struggling a little.
I say struggling.
We had one white pair on Elyria, but do you think, I mean, we're looking good now.
Um, do you think if we don't kill this quickly that we do kind of jump on to, like, we just kind of move on or, um, we should probably.
Ah, we'll kill them now.
We'll kill them now, yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, just looking at what, uh, yeah. There's a major EU and a gap that
needs to be studied. See, see, I had this long. Can I, do you want to hear my theory?
Yeah, go on.
So my theory when EU was winning a lot was that it's because of universal credit. That
was my theory. And I was like, the moment that NA treats world
first rating or esports, the way that they do traditional
sports, like as soon as they're like, as soon as NA, that kids
are coming home from school, and they're like, little Timmy, you
need to go in five hours of scrims, or you're not getting
dinner, like as soon as they treat their kids like that,
then they're going to be a powerhouse. But I mean, NA
have won the last four. So it's, maybe they're already
doing that. Maybe they're at that stage. I don't know.
That was my longstanding theory when EU was doing really really well was it just came down to you know
Everyone's chilling you got universal income over here
People can kind of chill and vibe and game a lot. So that was that was my theory
I don't know if you wait wait. Yeah. No, yeah
I think it must be the same like I think liquid probably thought they lost the races
I was a student like I would have been so sad having to go to bed at 2 a.m
Like when they had to go to bed, right? Yeah
I've been like ass over and when they were cut this for oh, it's not like they must have had like some serious like
Barra it's keep good. Yeah, I don't know
Yeah, definitely, but we're holding in on a little kill here guys on allureus and wrong. Is this art?
No, we've got we've got a home of the platform as well now
Wait, we've got a hole. We've got two platforms left. Yeah, this is what is very good. That's crazy
Wow, everyone here on their mains with the amount of loot that they have
That's mental because I think you're supposed to jump over it
Why I think you jump over to the next platform if my numbers are correct
Oh, no, you're all casted casted bro. You just casted casted bro
Bro, how are I casted casted Laria?
If they pull the tethers at the same time as the void expulsions
That's normally that's normally what happens there is it's a void expulsion plus tether break at the same time
And then you see a bunch of people die. I think I still could have lost. I don't I don't know
I don't know what kind of I mean they've got half of them. They definitely can't
Yeah, I think that was that was what happened that does happen I do tend to cast a curse a little bit
Okay, so I'll return to my previous question if we don't kill this now is there a point where we do just
We don't bother with the lyrium. We just like
Yeah, yeah, no just kill the boss. They shouldn't be walking in the first place this boss should be pretty easy
but is what it is
Yeah, we've got cast a curse because how much we seven out least yeah, I mean generally
I don't really believe in the cast a curse if I think there's just something it gives us something to talk about
This one doesn't count as a wife
But yeah
Yeah, in terms of I mean sco was asking about Paul count if he's saying Paul can't on Lura
I have no doubt that they'll get to end of P3 fairly consistently, because they were doing
really well yesterday on that.
And I was really curious yesterday if it was a bit more of like a comp diff yesterday or
if it was like, sort of in a way, because I think they never got to, or we never
got to end of P3 with everyone alive and fail the DPS check, right?
Then that's something that we can always just play better and extract the damage there
But it's like if we were playing a different comp
Would it have helped a little bit at the end of the day you need everyone alive going into p4
So you can meet that check the question I have is how quickly we think they'll get to grips with p4
because they'll they'll know a lot of the
They'll know how it looks. They'll know how it plays, but they won't have the practice
I think the hardest thing for me is gonna be the like the star assignments in terms of people needing to like move up
move back, move left, move right and try to get that rhythm down and it's going to come
down to good calls with Biff and then also people just awareness of as they're getting
that mechanic because everyone's stacked up quite tight. Is it, I don't know how hard it
is to determine as the radar whether or not you've been given the mechanic or not.
Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What makes the sound it seems that's actually quite fine.
Oh yeah. Yeah, I got them. Yeah. Yeah. I actually do feel like EU have like
some sort of eye in there in their hearts. Like I feel like EU can just push through
the grind a little bit harder than NA. It's not what Max said. When it goes past me, they
can't kill anything like this, but obviously because these bosses are very hard to kill,
and you obviously need to be Max focused to kill, but I do always feel like you have that little
extra push in them, but NA just seems to have whatever it takes. I feel like NA at the
moment, Liquid, as something I'll say, Liquid have insane DPS, bro. They never really struggle
to push damage checks where like we saw Echo wipe 0.5% on dementia, that's right.
I just feel like Liquid right now have that extra push that they don't have so
many low percent wipes like Echo method, let me do. Yeah, I feel like EU do have
like that more durable like you can raise like 70 nows and their focus
won't be as hindered as much as NA, but like NA when they're in focus
mode, like, they're like, I'm soft.
Yeah. Yeah. You know, to be to be honest, I don't, I don't know
enough about the inner workings of, of like liquid or echo. I've
been the best I can say is I've been to I've been to echo's
site, where they've had I can't remember the name of what
they're at the escape facility, aren't they? So in Germany, I
was at Gamescom. And a few of us went down to to echoes
like camp. And I got to tour a little bit around. I got to see like production and everything
and got to see some of the raiders and stuff. So I've sort of been around. I've seen a bit.
I've interacted with them slightly, but I've never really had a like deep connection with
with a lot of their players in there. The way that they operate. I will say this,
like you can clearly see from the outside the way the different guilds operate from
a communication standpoint and sort of like a personality way right like liquid
comms are always very jovial names and to be honest that would probably be my
favorite environment to raid yeah sure it's the liquid environment but some of
my favorite like I like I like to watch the I like to watch a lot of like
Skype as well if I'm checking out Echo and I like to see like they're a lot
that echo a lot more like focused I think method are quite similar as well
quite focused with the comms yeah I'm so the jokes and stuff yeah like everything
yeah they'll have their own personalities it was vibe is insane I've
always about obviously but I was reading I've read it myself for ten years like
Listen to liquids comms is insane. I also love that with method
But like when we started giggling and like cheering and having a banter
We just wiped every time like I was like boys. We want to have fun
But like we can't have fun and play like it's just something we can't do
But I love that flicker that they have good
I don't suffer on comms
Was planning it's definitely a good vibe, but echoing method are definitely a bit more. It's like the EU seriousness though, right?
Like I fucking you just yeah emotional serious and we have a
Germans and stuff they look super serious they get bad if we
wipe and stuff and it's crazy those I think Max when he was
when he's talking to like Tedels and some of the cast is
they somebody was asking Max like oh do you have a really
serious European guy in your guild and tells when which one
I think there is that mentality of the Europeans that they're quite serious a lot of the time especially like I don't know like
We're obviously both English so we like I don't know if you ever speak to
Like the Dutch and like Germans are just brutally honest like yeah
Where they'll just tell you what they can feel as an English person
You're just like oh my god. They told me exactly what they meant like they didn't beat around the bush
They didn't try and save my feelings. You do you like that doesn't be really
Germans take you exactly how it is, right? They don't they don't shit like nothing like if you if you're fucking up and
German doesn't like what you're doing. They have chosen to say up. They don't they don't keep it to themselves
And obviously that is good and bad for it and obviously this you obviously want to be told if you're doing something wrong
It's not like there's ways to say it and I thought liquid had to have that good. They have a good they have
They write down me sometimes and have a banter and stuff and obviously I guess they
brain it in a moment, laugh and see much and not focus on the balls, but yeah I feel like
EU do mode each other a lot more, like being outside raining now and just watching from
the outside and listening to comms and the three different girls, like EU players mode
each other a lot more than NS has said that way.
Yeah I think so, I'm curious and I know we've kind of got this like, I know we're
connect to the chat today and stuff as well so that you know we kind of just vibe in so I'm curious
from like Max's perspective on whether or not that environment that that more relaxed environment
enables players to feel more safe in failure and feeling safe feeling safe in failure I think
allows you to perform better I don't know about you but whenever so I'll play so like just from
from a personal perspective, I'll play really well
when I seem to sort of almost not really care
about the result in a way.
As soon as I start caring about the result,
I fall apart, right?
Where, you know, as soon as I'll be doing some keys
and I'll be doing keys all day and I'll be fine,
but then I'll group up with a group of people,
like I'll group up with like Stone and like Roybin
and like Sheller and stuff and Dan War, whoever.
And then just I just get so fixated on,
I don't want to fail in front of them.
I don't want to like embarrass myself.
I don't want them to think that I'm not capable
because then they won't want to play with me again.
So I apply that pressure to myself so heavily
that I end up underperforming
and I end up like stressing out
about every little minor mistake.
So I wonder if that environment,
like which environment operates well.
And the really big push there from this then
is how much did the guilds shape their environment
around the players and how much did the players
influence that environment?
Like if you're this, if you're Scow, if you're Max,
are you looking at applications from players
and almost wanting them to do a little five minute interview
before you even look at their application?
Cause you're like, I wanna find out what kind of player
this is, I wanna see how they are
in terms of their personality.
Like how much does that influence?
Yeah, well, I mean, it's-
Have you seen form?
Yeah, so it's a massive mental gap, and like I said, you'll get the fail right, but you just need to mentally trust in your own skill, and that's the key, right?
If you think you're good enough and you want to be a racehorse first raider, you have to trust in your own skill, and your skill will do the talking, and if you can mentally deal with the 16-hour gameplay and the intense bosses at the end,
Stuff that you'll be fine, but you have to believe in yourself like it's you over you're against yourself right?
You're the only one that can change what you're doing
So yeah, I think you just mentally have to be strong yourself
And yeah, you have to just not like obviously like for example
I don't want to bring up again, but didn't you obviously he's mentally gonna be down right now
Right, he has to pick himself back up again like he's a good player. See he's not a bad player
He obviously fucked up a little bit on that last day and that's that
Yeah, we've all made we have another tear come up like six months on right
Yeah, it's hard. You have to be mentally prepared for this stuff. It's top-end esports.
Yeah, you know, it's kind of funny about like, again, like, I like Jinji, I've been out a bit of Jinji, I did some casting with him before, so like, you know, Jinji's a great dude, but very nice actually, like, you know, nice to hang out with, but honest and people who are kind of like, sort of mean, like, obviously everyone's looking at some of the memes and stuff, and they're all coming out and everything.
and then everyone's like me even in and then somebody in the somebody in like the group was like
And I will say by the way I said nothing. Okay, I'm very very professional, but um
They they mean and then somebody said something like oh
Yeah, like I bet I'd like be Genji like on the on you know
I play better than Genji and then everyone was just like no you wouldn't like he's on all of us
He's ten times better than any of us. It's just so funny
I was like everyone's so willing to critique and then at the same time they're like, oh, no, he's way better than me
like, oh, yeah, no, he'd stop me and
It's just it's just funny how it just I guess part of
What are these things go to be honest like I do feel for the players when they do get critique
But then at the same time I do train I do try and kind of zoom out and think about it
Like if you're a footballer, huh?
Like I have no problem sitting at the pub or whatever and like being like oh, yeah
this player was really bad in the football game today or whatever or you know it's like it's just
I think part of the part of the sport and to be honest it's kind of it's almost you're gonna want
like uh you kind of in a way want a little bit of that almost like you want her passion to be there
to be like passion's gonna form in the way of critique and in praise generally people seem
more happy to critique than praise but you know it's just a way of things
Yeah, for sure, definitely. And the better players we better deal with it as well, it's
going to be hard, but you see footballers get critiqued on Twitter all the time. If you
miss a penalty, you see, they'll reckon their DMs get spammed with the most stupidest
stuff that you ever know. But you think all these people are professional players,
they're the best at the game. And just because they miss a penalty doesn't mean
they're bad. It doesn't mean they're a bad player.
Why bring enough penalties again if you know West Ham lost in the court fight?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're doing this to me on purpose.
You're doing this to me on purpose.
Penalty.
Penalty.
Yeah, no, but yeah, yeah.
That's what he was saying.
But yeah, I think it is.
I mean, yeah, these players need far in their bellies.
They need to be mentally strong.
They need to be good at the game.
They need to be, like, open to play six in a day.
It's not easy.
Yeah.
These players are not even enjoying my Lamborghini, but this is probably the worst paid job for
hours spent in these sports, but you do it because you passionately love the game.
And it's very community driven, so obviously you get people who earn a lot of money for
extreme sometimes, which is nice, but for most of these players that are not good
extremeers, then you're not earning much money.
Let me tell you that.
Yeah.
Look, now it has to live in a cave.
Look at him.
That's nice in case
Yeah
Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is a nice looking cave to be honest
Reminds me something from like Austin Powers, maybe
Yeah, it's um
Yeah, it's a big commitment. It's big commitment something that I'm wondering then in terms of like moving on then to next year
I mean to be honest the race isn't over yet chat. We are only nine out of ten bosses. We still have
of spore fall to deal with coming out in 12.0.7.
So the race is still on.
But in terms of like next tier,
are there any big improvements,
big lessons or anything that you think from method point
of view that they can take away from this tier
that you know of so far?
Obviously when you're on the outside,
you don't have all that inside information,
but would you look at this tiers?
Overall, like are there some positives
you take away from this tier?
I think, for me, a couple of those pushes that we did the last few days have been really solid-looking.
They were really good. Something that I was personally quite...
I can say from the outside I was impressed with, but to be honest, I can only speculate from the cast of POV,
but I really appreciated when they actually gave up on alliria splits and decided to cut the losses on that and just get into the raid,
and decided that actually this time that we're committing here is probably not worth it.
and I think maybe in the past you may have seen them stick at it and feel like no we have to
cross this off our list, off our list. The other guilds have killed this so we have to
let's not move on until it's done but I think, I think I quite, I appreciated that actually.
Yeah, yeah, it's good though. But yeah, is there anything for me that you take away and you
feel vulnerable? This is really hard to say from being outside of the guild, right,
not reading them. Yeah, it is a hard one. So it's really hard, yeah, I don't know how.
Well, what I can say now is probably going to be really BM and I don't want to BM the
guild so I'm not going to be able to get them, but they are a little bit.
So there are obviously some players that recruit which are probably not good enough for the
race on the first level, right?
They've got a lot of new players in this guild right now and you have to, like, there's
so many players that go to different guilds or quit because of the time you have to
obviously recruit and you're never really sure these players are going to be good
enough until we do the race, like Farm is nothing to actual race progression, right?
can't really tell if a player is ready for this level until you do it. Why do you think that is?
Just because farm is just earth bosses, everyone's more, way more shield.
Right, so in terms of a mechanical performance and like a player like performance rather than a
preparation side of things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, got you, got you, yeah.
Other than like testing, I guess testing is a good way to probably maybe check if a player,
if you think a player is good enough for this level of play, but it's still a little bit,
if you can see you only have an hour, like it's a bit hard, but you know, it's a bit of a weird one.
But yeah, that's a really hard question, and I don't want to answer it to my full capacity,
because I'll probably be a bit toxic, but I think method will definitely have positives
of that question. They can take positives out of this race, but there also will be some
negatives that they'll also be able to take. Yeah, I think that's the, I don't, you know,
There's every guild goes through that right where they say some players maybe, you know, maybe for us, you know
You didn't you didn't perform the way that we maybe wanted to maybe didn't gel with the environment
We've got like, you know, I've definitely had tears where I've just you know a guild. I've just been like
You know everything was fine. We've progged and stuff that maybe I just the atmosphere wasn't what I wanted
Maybe I want something slightly different and whatever, you know, this is you know, there's I think I think we've all
I think we've all failed a guild trial haven't we chat I think we've all been there
Yeah
But it's it's one of those and yeah, it's part of it's part of raiding
I think as a player even just being a part of things is gotta be awesome
Like just getting some experience and then building on that and deciding either
Because okay, this is something that I think is important in life as well right to turn you a little your little negative into a positive here
Yeah, you got to enjoy the journey rather than the result rather than the destination a lot of the time
Like I don't know that's pretty cliche, but I think it's very very true
Like I think a lot of time we can get so fixated on just like oh, I'm in this race. I need to perform yada yada yada
I need to win whatever it may be, but actually just enjoying a lot of the experiences like this is something that I'm sure that you can
Remember some of your earliest tears at a race to one first level you probably remember
You know, you probably got some really good memories from it. So I think that's also really important as well
to take away. So, you know, um, yeah, probably, I mean, there's always going to be some spring
cleaning. There's always going to be some looking at how rosters can improve. I think it would
be silly not to, but, you know, it's, it's part of how things go. Um, and yeah, I guess,
I guess, uh, I guess that's fair. Um, I wouldn't, I wouldn't know the state of how things
are, uh, you know, within the, the tier, but I've been, I've been fairly happy
with like some of the progress I have seen in some of the some of the periods like I say where we've
managed to chunk the boss from 50% down to 12% within a couple of hours and and just really
knuckled down. I've been impressed by those moments. So I have absolutely had moments of
being very impressed over this race with Method. That's always, I'll say this to my
previous cast, Method when they're in the groove are really good. Like they can they can compete
at a top level. But we just at the moment we just had these little lows in progress where
we don't really move very far in 10s and 12s hours of progress. Whereas I don't think the other two
guilds have that really. They always, obviously they have a couple of hours of bad play and they
right now mid but they get out pretty quickly but sometimes the only thing that Mephid needs to
figure out is why do they have these 10 hour laps of concentration where they don't really
make much progress. And that's something these are now and figure out in maybe other issues
in the guild which I'm sure they'll be there behind the scenes and they'll be like they
They obviously want to bet themselves, right?
Yeah.
They'll be doing that sort of stuff,
and they're doing a great job considering
they had to rebuild the whole guild from scratch.
And it's been a great part,
been a part of, and it's been fun.
And yeah, and I'm sure they'll keep improving,
but they just need to iron out their problems
where they seem to have like,
we had one down, Lera, we had 14 hours of progress
with 3% of the health move, right?
And I'll see, it's a very hard boss,
and I'm not taking that away from them,
but that can't really happen
if you want to get everything off first.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And not a little bit of leadboard, bro.
The Detroiters' Guild are actually not far from that.
Oh, God, they're still pulling.
Yeah, they're 21% P3, so.
Oh, God, yeah, they're pulling.
Oh, okay.
I would have thought that, I mean, yeah, I guess it's like...
They had one pool.
They played even for them.
They had one pool, so they were a 325 for ages.
They had one pool where he's got 21%,
and then they've not pulled since.
So I don't know what they're doing,
but they're having like one pool every hour, I thought.
I think Japan is 11 hours ahead so it's probably about 10, 11 hours ahead I mean they've probably
got four different time zones to be honest. Wait is it only 5pm? Oh it's 10am for us yeah.
Okay, oh so they're not that far either, okay so I mean they'll be going then, if it's only like yeah 5-6pm over there then they'll be pulling, okay that's the question then, the question is are we now worried about, about the plot-pot heroes I think they're going to call it, are we out a little bit, okay we've got a little bit of a zester
If we don't get well funded, yeah that's a big fuck up
Yeah, you think?
Yeah, because they are obviously even, yeah, I think so.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I think...
I mean, this is the first song I've played on this day as well, yeah.
I think this would be one of the first times in a long, long time, but we haven't killed
the last boss in the same reset as Liquid Deco as well, so this already is a few of
the bad moments, but, yeah, hopefully they can just get this boss killed pretty
quickly and then just focus on it too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.
I think the thing is as long as you're having those improvements, as long as you're having
those things that we go right, this is what we can work on and this is what we can tangibly
implement is important.
How much of that, so you've got the officer team, you've got Yulha Biff and stuff and
the officer team going through that and doing their sort of end of tier reviews.
Have you seen how some of that looks?
it a lot of like I mean how much of it is is preparation in terms of like logistics and then
how much of it is roster-based? Or would you not know too much? It's hard to say. I think leadership
in these guilds is massive. I think obviously you need the insane players, right? Like Max
They're players are insane, they don't miss sometimes, like brain-wise, but their players are so insane that they can just get them to the other.
So obviously you need to play a skill, but my big thing of leadership and splits and stuff is really really really important in the race.
Obviously the more brain people you have in the guild, obviously.
Like I said also, they lost a whole day to Echo because of splits, right?
Which is massive, a whole day of work.
Yeah, that was huge actually to be honest with you.
So yeah, so obviously the leadership and stuff is insane these games, it's very important.
But you obviously then need the players to back up that brainpower.
So it's a bit 50-50 I would say.
But I would say that if there's more, you need both really to be the best.
Yeah, yeah, and chat as well, they weren't even addressing our conversation,
but I think that's something that I'm going to grab as well is like the analysts, right?
I know that Max was saying as well. Again, it's always good to look at the guilty wins
and see what they feel they can do better, what they feel they've done well. But I know
that Max said that they have an analyst hippie.
Sorry, he's the add-on developer. Like add-on developer, I think also analyst. I don't
know, those roles kind of merge into one in a way. And I guess they really do. But
Yeah. Apparently this, uh, this guy has been very impactful for that. Um, and I know that
throughout the race ended there was bar who I believe was with BDG and then went and joined
the liquid. Um, I think a couple, well, handful of tears ago now, but I remember speaking
to a guy who was on the BDG team and going, we've got this guy bar. He's incredible.
He's our analyst. He's like, fantastic. And then a couple of tears later, he was
then with liquid and then I think around about that time liquid then like one
erase stuff so in the back of my mind I was like oh interesting I wonder how
much like maybe there's an impact there so yeah Max said yeah my go so the
analysts and stuff is really really important now the good thing with the
analysts is I feel like any team can sort of get access to analysts how
does that look because an analyst probably doesn't have to commit the
same amount of time to the game. Are you going and speaking to like Wall Street? Are we, where
are we getting these analysts from? Like where are we, are we going to like London Business
School? Where are these guys coming from?
I guess a lot, I don't know. I guess a lot of them now are like old Adam or people
developers right there. Maybe they have that skills and it can do that stuff.
Like are they external from WoW?
Yeah.
That's hard to say.
I mean Max before we could answer a question maybe better than me. I'm not sure where they got hippie from
But most these people are like yeah, add on developers or some
Rekore goats that are just really good at doing that sort of stuff
Yeah, they cost a lot of money normally and there's some saying like these these these sports is it's hard because
You have all these people you have to pay and there's not much unless you're like a big company like liquid
are huge right they obviously have the funds to pay for it people like method
Deco maybe the smaller companies which don't have massive prize pools and from
when the way obviously you have sponsors yeah it's hard it's really hard
it's not cheap to have all these people doing the same stuff yeah yeah
and okay Max we're in a little bit as well people are excited from where I
would have absolutely no use okay interesting so it's not just people
that are good with numbers per se and are like good analytical minds they have to
I mean obviously they have to be taught the game at some some level but yeah so
they are all kind of internal it's what analysis is someone who knows a lot about
the game and can contribute in some way these people are very hard to find at
least ones that are effective interesting yeah we had a chat with
Frosty for example who's an analyst here for method and I know Nate came
on yesterday and Nate was was a tank for method then moved into an analyst role and I don't I don't
think he's doing the analyst role this tier but again yeah like what they've been doing they've
been testing the tanks so I know Nate will have been doing tank testing during his analyst days and
they're just a lot during beta they're just sitting on target dummies and they're just doing a lot
of this tank testing and then going and giving some of that information to like you know they'll
They'll be given it to now.
They'll be given it to QAP in, I'm assuming, where they feel certain tanks have strengths
and weaknesses.
And then from there, so from there, the players can then interpret that information and then
decide how much they're willing to make use of.
But I guess you're going to have individual sort of like player, like a role coaches,
right?
So you're going to have tank analysts, healer analysts, DPS analysts, right?
Like Shell is coming in.
Yeah.
I'm not sure if he's an overall analyst or if he's DPS specific.
I'm not sure if he's DPS specific.
Yeah, but like I've been hearing Scheller on comms and Scheller's a very interesting guy to listen to.
I love hearing his insights and stuff. He's very analytical.
He's very driven by, I mean all these players are going to be driven by like self-improvement.
But he's a very good mind to listen to Scheller actually.
I like hearing from him.
All the liquid UK goats in his shed, the boys.
Right, it's got all the boys in tune today.
It's 10am, okay.
I've not even had a coffee yet.
I don't need all this right now.
I don't need the strengths.
The boys in the huge set.
What's up guys, this is October.
Grat's on the knife, by the way dude.
I don't know, is that good?
Yeah, I saw that on Twitter actually though.
I've heard by a bunch of forbidden CSGO boxes or whatever.
I don't know.
I had a little dessert I think from the race, yeah that's good guys.
We have analysts that make very detailed raid plans to more clearly illustrate ideas to raiders
and also an analyst that might pull normal Laura a hundred times to see how the glaives
were.
Ah yeah, see that's so good because like we saw Method on Mythic doing Laura and
we were a hundred pulls in.
They were still moving the boss around to try and figure out some glave dynamics
and something that I don't I don't know if who originally discovered this, but if you actually
tank Laura on one of the pillars, the glaives bunch up and they come out from behind the pillars.
So you can actually avoid those glaives even spawning. But I think the problem then is
that you're tucked in the corner and the glaives are then going to bounce very close
to you. So it makes the I'm assuming the reason they didn't do it is because it makes
predicting the movement of the glaives that much more difficult, they then opted to
moving Laura more central into the raid boss and they were tucking Laura right up
in near like the middle circle and that was again causing the
glaives to spawn in a way that they had a bit of a safe spot but they would
still seem to be a bit too bunched up and stuff so yeah I remember when I was
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it plays were a massive issue, right?
See the glaze were obviously massive issue.
That's what made P1 so hard, right?
Because at the end of P1, we had all them Beyblades just bouncing around
and you're trying to do also the memory game and also trying to do kicks
and also trying to do everything else.
Right. It was just crazy, crazy insane intense at the end of P1.
And I mean, you know, you know what I'd like to see, Vega, sorry.
Yeah, just had a thought.
I would love to see the raid teams go back to Laura now
with no memory add-on.
Yeah.
Now that the pressure's off,
and I want to just do it as they are intended,
and just see how that looks.
Like, do they enjoy that experience?
Do they feel like they can develop a strat?
Cause I guess you clear comms,
and you just have to, like,
T circle diamond triangle, T circle diamond triangle,
and you just have to like brute force it that way.
They already had external people calling memory game out, whilst also having this add-on, right?
So you'd have to have even more people external outside the raid, like, on a cool thing to have at the same time.
It would have been insanely hard. That boss would have been like, 700 plus, easy.
Yeah, you have somebody in, like, sitting there on the couch, you're like, what's your job?
Yeah, what's your job?
I tell them when there's stuff, and that's it.
But yeah, I'd like to see how that looks. I'd like to see, um, oh God, we can't bang is I don't know if I have the mental strength to get into the add-on conversation, but I'm only bringing it up because like, you know, now pressures off with the race for some of the guilds, like it would be cool to see how that looks and see if there's like, is it fun?
Does it feel feasible to do it without add-ons?
add-ons obviously when the pressure's on for the race you're gonna take every
single advantage you can get and that makes sense yeah yeah the add-on topic
it's a whole different ball game there's something that it's just it's just
stopping yeah and I think that this is messed up a little bit in that aspect
like I'm just crazy to think that they even produced this boss before of then
trying to get the add-ons at the same time like Mike said earlier in the
stream there's no way this boss surely was created before they decided to add on
thing right it was probably created before they decided to get it about on
because how do they even think people gonna do this boss without add-ons we are
getting dangerously low we're ripping these tethers it's it's I think it's
the void expulsion plus tether that's the only thing I can see that's gonna
to kill this many people at once.
Yeah, because we won't get all the time.
OK, 13% last platform.
I don't have the ability right now
to say with this many dead if we meet the check.
I mean, now it's just gone down.
I think it's going to be Gigi's there.
Yeah, but having a couple issues here on Aliria,
we clear.
I didn't really get to castle and look at this boss
too much, but we always seem to work at this point.
It just seems weird.
What's actually going wrong here?
So from my understanding here,
So the Void expulsions are going to spawn, believe you get one on its own and then you'll get a couple others grouped up that spawn on specific players.
They coincide with the tethers. You have to break the three tethers, but the Void expulsion can coincide with the tether breaks.
So if you break them at the same time, then it's, I mean, with this gear, I don't know if they can live through just barely, but generally you want to avoid doing that because you'll die.
You can probably do planned breaks, maybe with certain defenses popped, but you sort of want to wait for the void expulsion to heal up a little bit then break.
Yeah, I believe is the the rhythm.
So I'd have to go and review some of these vods.
I mean, I know because it splits, we haven't and we've been we've been having a lot of chit chat.
So we've been having a lot going on.
But I could, I could hold in.
I'll keep a little bit more attention on it this time.
I see like, but that seems to be to me what is causing the issue
because I can't see anything else in the fight killing six people at once
apart from void expulsion, tether overlap.
Yeah.
I mean, this boss got killed pretty quick on me fix.
So I didn't really get to learn too much about this boss
because it's got hundreds of zero pretty quick
from especially the top two guys anyway.
Um, yeah, this boss is it's not been met as the strong point.
Let's just say that I feel like we have a little struggle on this boss.
I'm not sure why. I hope they can just get this boss killed soon and we can get back to the ruby thick because that's obviously what we want to see and what the viewers want to see as well.
Yeah, but what is he saying? It would be nice to get all three guilds in some sort of call at some point and just figure out what they do differently and how they prepare for these races and obviously some people want to keep things to their chest though, right?
They want to keep themselves because you don't want to give out a hand to them.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, we'll tell the competition, but it will be cool to get that as a viewer, especially
as a viewer, getting the top three girls sit down, but the rain needs something, how much
out about the race and how, and it forces it, well, especially with the gated rays
and stuff and how this race planned out, because it must have been very different.
It's not been a normal race, let's be real.
Yeah.
Yeah, the one thing I thought would be really cool is I was saying, I would really
like to have seen, because we obviously don't test the final bosses in each season,
it would be really cool to see a team, any team,
record how they think the fight looks
and how they think they're gonna resolve
a lot of these mechanics and some of the tech
that they're gonna put in place
and what they think the room is gonna look like
and what they think the mechanics are gonna look like
and how they're gonna interact with them.
So get them to record something on that
And then after the race get like a comparison
and they sort of react to that of,
oh yeah, we thought it was going to be like this.
We were very, very close to that or oh, we were way off
and this is why we thought that and all that kind of stuff.
Cause that would be really cool to see.
Cause that's kind of like some analytical stuff,
some kind of prediction stuff, some preparation stuff
where we get to see a little bit more of the mentality
of how that's put together.
So that's something I would like to see from a race.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, but-
For sure.
That is, yeah, with the, yeah,
how analysts and leadership can be organized and everything,
I think that is the secret, right?
I think the more you look at it,
you realize it's logistics.
And I think that's the case of a lot of businesses.
You realize, I'll actually, our business is, you know,
like Amazon or a logistics company,
They're not a product company.
They have a lot of trucks, that's in warehouses.
That's what they, that's their product actually, you know.
It's like that kind of thing.
You just need so many analysts in this game as well.
Like there's so many different things you actually need
to prepare outside of the actual,
the 20 players in the raid, like splits
and going through logs and you have a healer officer,
you have DPS officer, you have tank officers,
like people that are specified
in all these different aspects of the game.
you have add-on developers you have fucking there's so many things bro that
that's why this game and this is what I'm saying it's more so hard to especially
like method of obviously rebranding and had to get all these different aspects
and recruit all these different people from scratch because obviously they had
to start from nothing again right so this is why I admire what method is
doing right now obviously it is super hard to try and compete with Echo and Liquid
especially that they've been established for a long while and
have been planning to give for a long period of time where we literally when they first
started we literally recruited like twitch streamers and like just normal people that
have bro you just recruited Roybin this race just still recruits good stuff they had like
literally nothing yet I just start from scratch and this is why I'm like what method you're
trying to do oh okay yeah yeah and it's gonna be super super super hard like there's no
question about it right yeah let's just hope that they can they can they can find
that last push they need to finally be actually getting their world first kills
and stuff that'd be cool to see have a free have a have like a proper freeing
and race because it would be so epic for the race as well the way I see it
is like you know you know you may not have been there were such a big team
in the Premier League but they for the last ten years not been very good
right. It's kind of like everyone wants to see me like you well again because
that's such a big team and it's good for it's good because I'm people on
because I'm a fan.
But obviously there's such a big team in the actual in the ground.
So I think there's been a method I've been around for so long.
There's such a good team previously, but obviously trying to get to that
point again a bit.
Oh, it's good.
I don't know if we've united.
Yeah, it would be maybe we need to go back.
Maybe it's Skodaf.
Yep.
And yeah, why are they even doing this?
There was a problem, bro.
There was a problem I got to open up.
Clean up.
There was a problem?
Yeah.
And yeah, just a big tank, big tank.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot of room in this box.
It's kind of the thrill.
I don't know what, like I don't,
the thing is the last boss,
Max and me will also give a bit of energy on this,
but I feel like the last boss,
DeepGest is going to help a bit,
but I think the last boss is just mechanically insane.
Yeah.
like you're not going to have them 2% P3 wipes, which is going to help a lot when you get to the end of P3, you don't want to be wiped with the PPS, it really feels bad when that happens.
So you're obviously going to make the fight easier, there's no sugarcoating that, but I feel like Lure is just a massive mechanical check as well, like you're not going to survive the sea blowing up if you've got a bit of a high level, you still have to play the boss perfectly.
So I do feel like what Max is saying is correct, you probably just want to get back in there, get the rhythm going again.
Yeah, I mean that's what I was saying at the beginning of splits is like, are we probably, well we're on south at R, right?
And I was like, do we just, do we just skip Aliria? Because it doesn't seem worth the effort.
It's, for me as well, the loot doesn't seem very good from Aliria.
There is, I believe there's the necklace, which a lot of specs are gonna be after, but I thought, I don't know that Aliria is gonna be worth the trouble.
But, there is something that they, that they must be after.
We've had big trouble with this boss as well, we've just not been good in this boss.
Yeah.
Yeah, I actually did say I said I think we should just open the vault,
got the 1% team to increase on everyone, probably, and then just go back into the boss.
But I thought this was going to be a quick one-hour re-clean, too far.
Like this should not take more than an hour, not with the loot that they have right now.
I don't want to BM the players, but like obviously they're not playing as well as they should be right now.
Yeah, because I think you skipped Bellaren as well.
I was saying about this and this is another aspect of the race that I think is interesting is like
When people are going to perform their best based on just natural energy
Cadence right up like you have your skating rhythm
You're naturally if you're waking up in the morning
You're naturally gonna start to get a little bit more tired as it gets to the afternoon
Yeah, but then also you get sort of your caffeine crap
I mean, I know everyone's having some caffeine as well as probably some hydration drinks
But the caffeine crash would come in the afternoon as well. You'll eat something
I mean, it was very interesting as well actually echo was saying that they eat very small
Not very small portions, but they don't stuff themselves during lunch because it will
Does that post food crash right way, you know your blood sugar spikes and
So you're gonna perform what you're not gonna have as much as much
You know as much capacity for your like mental performance
So a lot of these things coincide with the
Yeah, yeah there with the afternoon crash
So if lunch is coming up, I feel like we want to kind of aim for getting our best pulls on Lura
Earlier in the day or probably so they're gonna be like I don't I don't know when the guilds do perform their best
But I feel like
Morning when you're fresh. Yeah, and evening is when you perform your best
I feel like the worst time of the day is the afternoon and I wonder if more guilds should schedule splits during lunch break like lunch time when everyone's tired and do progression morning and evening.
That's my big like crackpot theory of something I would want to see more of.
Obviously, I've been doing this for 10 years and you always played better in the mornings
when you hadn't had a big meal. Going from lunch to dinner, sometimes it was always here
and missing for you to play good. Like, dinner was especially bad, I feel like. And I think
this is why the pros of having a live event is so OP, is because you know people eat
initially good normally. You're not relying these DJI Radius to get dinners, which they're
not good at normally. They're simply real. They don't prep meals. They probably just
eat a snack, they're probably not eating properly, they don't go out, they don't leave their PC
at lunch time, they just sit there and watch streams, probably wise, they're meant to be
on break instead of actually touching grass and stuff, but when you're at a lot of event
you have this, we have another one here, but we have this, you have this power of
just making sure everyone's doing the right thing as such, right? And I think that
is very, it's very, a big gain basically for the killers when you're actually
touch and grasp your brains getting some fresh air coming away from the PC like
get off the PC for a minute. It's the hardest stage of the year in England today bangers and we're here casting. I can
have to block out the sun. 20 degrees bro it's 20 degrees here today. It's beautiful. Yeah I have another
idea so we did do splits last week we did we did two and on our second one we
called it after I was on the cast during the split we did three hours and
and then we pulled it on that split,
and then we just went and did...
Bellarant.
You believe this instance?
Hey, Max, if you want a job as an analyst,
I can get you in on the method team if you want, bro.
I can...
We should just get Max in the talk.
We should just get Max on the stream, bro.
Let's get Max in it.
I don't know if he'd come on the stream.
We can...
We can...
Let's get that sorted out.
Bro's probably had a couple of apples
you celebrate in there, you know?
Yeah, I would think right now getting the practice because the thing is what I didn't realize the Chinese girl is still pulling
because if they're still pulling
I'm actually like oh there is actually still some
He asked to put in the he asked to put in because they are three three one pulls right now
She said I've had six pulls since we spoke last time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so
If they're still pulling that does I mean I'm not
mega mega worried but I am more concerned because I think it would suck to lose
world third if you know after all this if we if we're not paying attention and
they sneak up on us you know yeah but I think all should be well yeah I I don't
parsley see tons and tons of value in the Illyria kill but yeah what we'll see
I think it's an ego thing now though, I feel like they just think that's going to feel bad having them.
I know it probably is the right call just to think fuck this off and just go to Lyra mythic but like it's just ego right now
and they just want to kill this boss like it just feels bad not giving the boss a chance to wipe 10 times on a farm boss right.
So I probably just want to get this shit done now and we get to Lyra progress but yeah.
The right call probably would be to sack this shit off and go.
yeah because like we say they're still you want to be put like you're gonna be
still playing at your best for this Laura because it's the mechanical check
yeah it's a mechanical check we said like you know some some bosses can be
fixed a little bit with gear I don't know how much Laura gets fixed with gear
it's gonna make that last couple percent check in p3 yeah easier to me but I
I think you still go into that phase with all 20 players alive or it's a kill of all yeah, I don't think so
Before you gain so much damage from everyone alive right in the night
So I think you're still gonna have to go in that phase with one of us
That's what I'm thinking like people being alive is more DPS than people doing DPS
But I don't know so I don't know how much of that is cosmetic as in how much of it is tuned around
you still like how if you if you had 20 players alive in that phase for the
full phase how much additional damage or additional DPS do you need to meet that
check yeah that number but that's what I'm curious about now at this stage and
I'm worried for the average guild because my goodness that's gonna be that's
going to be rough. If it is a we need all 20 players alive in these days, this boss is
going to be absolutely new. Yeah, like this. Yeah. Lira is going to be a complete like they
won't even be the same boss. You must have called a different name with power. I'll
be sad. I'll be sad to make most casual guilders even attempt. Yeah. But yeah, I am a big
believer in I would love for these bosses to have a chance where you can put your
powers and go fight them at the level that they raised her first. Guilds have fit
for the map. I just think it would be cool. It would be really cool.
I think Mythic should be like the hardest. I think they make Heroic slightly harder than
it currently is slightly harder. But Heroic is where you get loot. Like that's where
it drops gear. And then that's the cap on gear. And then I just think Mythic shouldn't
drop loot that gives you power. It should just be cosmetics. Yeah. But it should
be it should be static. I love also you load in with static trinkets, right?
Every every DPS of this either or like every class of the same or spec have the same trinkets, right?
So you have the same loadout. Yeah, you have like a set mythic loadout and then
That way you don't need to do splits the raids can be more tightly tuned and the only people going into mythic are the people that are
They're there for that one thing they're there or
Seeing the best possible fights at their hardest difficulty and they want to execute those
That to me is the ultimate solution to
Like the raid and that's what I would want to see because then you can keep the raids exactly how they are kind of I
Don't know for all time, but definitely for a full expansion, right?
Yeah, you would just scale people down the only problem is as class tuning it takes effect that does affect things but
You can just play around with the numbers from there, you know, but that would be that'd be good
I think I'd love for this game to just have a tour around well the all the race skills to log on to
It wouldn't feel real it would be like watching league scrims and then
If you wouldn't have to put this effort in before the raid it happens
But why not my solution where it's like it's not tournament realm it's on live servers, but you have
Gear loadouts that are set when you go. Oh, yeah, all that. It's just this whole split stuff
You have to be forward. I don't think anyone enjoys this stuff
Apart from I mean, I think this is actually like it because it gets in the community
Involved in the race well first. I like that. I think if you look at splits from the race world first player perspective
I think you're actually missing some of it. I think you're in too deep because I
I personally really like taking part in splits.
When I'm a caster, I think it's particularly great because I get to jump into the comms with the players.
I get to play with the players.
I get to experience the raid a little bit on the release day before I go in and do my casts.
So from a personal professional perspective, I really like doing splits.
It's really cool to interact with the players.
I think it's really cool from a community standpoint that people get to like,
we talk about Echo and Method having to split some player base,
But it's kind of cool having the diehards, the Ultras, who will come in and they'll level
10 characters so they can come and do splits, and they'll be there.
Like I'm checking the community discord, I'm in it, and they're there, they're ready to
go, so it's cool to have that.
And then the last thing is, so my guild, we do two splits, and I actually really
enjoy experiencing the raid very early on on two different characters.
So I do like one, this tier did one feral one enhancement and it was really cool to experience
the raid so quickly on multiple characters because normally in most guilds you raid on
one character for three months and then by the time it's time for you to play your alt.
Everyone's already burnt out and the tiers over and then it's just like GG's go next.
So you never really get to experience a lot of raid content on your alt.
So I don't know chat am I am I cooked?
a split actually kind of fun from outside of the race to world first like player perspective surely watching splits is not fun for
Oh, it's terrible to watch
Yeah
Even that one. Yeah
I don't know bro. No, it's an other player. Obviously did it for 10 years myself. Like it's so bad to do it
Oh, like it's so it's so bad
I like the gold see
I do
The race world, what I like is that it's an ecosystem and it to me the race world first
splits and the involvement of the community is like one of the last things that I still
feel we can hold on to is like this just a pure community MMO event that still happens
in retail.
Wow.
Right.
Where the community there's a symbiotic relationship with the highest level players
rely on the rest of the community and the community benefit and gain something from that.
Now really quick, I want to focus in on this.
Okay, so we've got Wildy down.
We've got to res up in two minutes.
We can do this with Wildy down, but we're going to watch some of these, how some of
these Tethers hold with Wildy.
They're helpless.
They're helpless guys.
They're helpless.
Just bounce off and down.
But not yet.
So this should be fine.
They've got to deal with Demiar and they've got to kill these now, which they'll
have the damage check for this.
I would think they've got a couple heal absorbs, they'll deal with those, they can always dispel
people worst case when they need.
We've got Void expulsion coming up now, so we're going to bait these, we've got a few
going out on select players, we're going to wait for those to drop.
Now we're going to stack back up and we're going to have the tethers.
Now we want to wait for the Void expulsions first, then break tether.
We do actually get one cheeky break.
Okay, so we do one cheeky break into Void expulsions into remaining breaks.
That looked good.
I was a little bit worried about the initial tether break, but that actually looked good.
So that's how we want it every time, and I think this is the kill, because this is the
cleanest they've done that so far. But I think I was just... So we're going to get another one of
these. We're going to have another set of tether breaks. That all looks fine. Health pools drop,
but not to a level that we can't continue, that we're going to have any losses there.
So we're fine. We've got one last ad that we've got to deal with. It's looking very low.
They should be fine here, and then it's just kill boss bosses at 10%
Yeah, this should be it guys. We're doing it. We're doing it. It's gonna happen. We got 5% health on morium
While these still dead. I don't know if we're gonna even be able to resume
I don't know if we're even gonna get chance to resume 5% left on the boss 19 players alive
Okay, one last set of white expo so wait for these to go off. There's a break as well. Perfect. Yeah, we're fine
Yeah, I hope it's not a waste of time.
Hope this is not a waste of time.
We'll see. We'll see. We'll see.
Don't say that now.
What do you even need from this boss?
What even drops?
There's a necklace that's like rare that you can get.
And then I don't know if it's just general item level
is going to be increases on everyone's slots
because even if you know.
Oh, Trinket, that's good.
Oh, yeah, that Trinket is good for some castors, I believe.
Yeah. And then we've got a necklace as well.
So that's the like very rare necklace.
So I think all of them probably pretty decently, to be honest.
probably I don't I don't know how worth while it is but definitely some good
some good stuff yeah that's good maybe worth yeah maybe the ribbon for DPS
castes or is it for healers I'm just thinking yes I think but I thought it
was I thought it was DPS yeah at least better to give us some content here
guys I mean like the necker I don't say we've got some good content here yeah
liquid echo they gave up on the race method they still want to entertain
you guys. We're born entertainers. We want to keep going. That's what it is.
If they say the race, bro, just enjoy the race for once.
I think Max wants to see some new approach.
He needs to just enjoy the race as a viewer perspective.
You know, Lando Norris crashed out the four, not crashed out first two races.
I think his end start for two years and he already said he said it's been a
while since I've been able to see two Formula One races in a row.
Um, that's you know, yeah, just sit back relax. Maybe we get some Bellaranne. Maybe we go do more chimera splits
You know story mode is out now as well. If they go if they go to M plus or anything. I'm done
I'm I'm I'm even looking up on the zoom for what I've gone
Nothing last let's get it extra little bit. Hey, so we should be fine looking at our composition though as well
So everything looks to be the same the big change here
Though is that we have now on the Guardian Druid so that not only are we gaining more item level chat from just the weekly
Reset and all of the stuff that comes with that in the crest and everything there
But we are also gaining Guardian Druid DPS
Which seems to be a really good trick for liquid and I echo never made the swap there
They made the healer swap though right?
They made the...
They're insane DPS.
But they're getting misfevers doing a lot of damage as well.
So yeah, obviously Liquid went with the double misfevers, Echo got the double disc.
I think misfevers is pretty good for damage as well, but not as good as this obviously
with the PI value.
Misfevers is good damage.
Yeah, when they're not going all over the place.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think misfevers is good.
Yeah.
The double retidude is bought damage for healing, but I think with the reset again now,
damage should not be an issue.
Yeah.
be mechanically, uh, thick and
the boss really, I think because
should be much missionable.
The big thing, and we heard then discussing
this as well, is that because on
method we don't have double misweaver,
we don't have double monk,
which means during p3
we actually get one mystic touch,
debuff, buff, whatever you want to call it,
but we're only getting one side
value on that. Now we did have the
discussion of do we move
some melee around, do we, there's
not that minima lead to be honest what we've got sub rogue rep paladin havoc but
is this havoc there like a split on magic and physical damage aren't they yeah
so I don't know that it even matters right like you you have two melee three
melee so I don't in this in this composition I don't think it really
matters. Um, we have the unholy, but again, yeah, they don't really care either. I don't
think from in terms of mystic touch. So, okay, so we lose the month, but it was a discussion
for method yesterday. So it was a debate, but it was pretty quickly like put to rest
and it didn't really seem to be a big deal. But the guardian druid should be helping
here. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if this is still as hard as it used to be.
Obviously, this is obviously probably the hardest thing to pay for, unless something
change when I played here for a little bit like this because you have to be really good
at playing this because Priest is squishy and there's a lot of focus on like ramps and stuff.
So obviously that is maybe a factor of why Liquid been good over this but maybe maps can
obviously thrown in here, try to come in here with why he stayed with Double Monk.
Maybe obviously DPS wasn't much of an issue for Liquid because they were making the
check most of the time anyway so they just stayed with what they had done 400 pulls on.
But would be cool to hear actually why they went Double Mystery for over this.
Yeah, that's something as well, is like when do you pull the trigger on comp swaps?
Is there a point at which it almost seems too late?
But then if you do reach a hard point where you do look perfect, everything's absolutely perfect.
You could not have done anything better and you're still not meeting the DPS check, then
are you forced to comp swap? And I don't know, my like historical references from the
through the race for first years is not very good in that sense of knowing we're really deep into
this boss but we are going to pull the trigger on a conch swap. Wait, what is this? Bro, get
onto the boss! Get onto the boss, bro! Our raiders are crashing out! What should we do? This is
like... Let's go! Let's go! You need to un-retire this. Let's go! I want to be a core, bro.
That was pretty good though, that was pretty good to be honest.
Froze dancing like he won the race!
Yeah.
Little gup.
Yeah.
I wonder if they're going to have lunch break actually before they go to progress, so
I guess they've got to put another hour or so.
Yeah.
Oh, Kush is good fun, man.
That's nice to see.
That's nice to see.
At least the vibes are still...
I mean, obviously, like I said, the vibes probably feel bad right now because it's
It's going to be one of the first times in a long time where they've killed the boss in the same reset as Liquid Neko.
That's just obvious, but I'm hoping they can keep the boss up because...
Yeah, the question, I mean, there's no point. It's probably, you know, it's kind of whatever asking now.
But the question is whether, like, how close method would have come to killing the boss last reset.
Obviously, it just ended up going to the point where the Wednesday has fallen.
So it just is what it is like we're going to go in with more loot, but I I do wonder if there's
like
How close we would have gotten
With it within last reset and how killable yeah, and whether or not we would have had to make that guardian swap eventually anyway
I'm really curious why we're doing it now today
Now's guardian droid was 277 item level last reset. Yes, so it did seem
well geared I don't know how optimally geared it was I don't know what the big
why the big move was today rather than yesterday yeah there's anything in that
in terms of having the weekly loot is it the pressures off so we can take a bit
more time with learning it now like yeah I don't I think I remember here Maxi
like I didn't do that she was not bad anyway I still look at it actually
So obviously if the tank is doing more damage they also get an extra raw in the last phase, which is probably good.
I mean they are planning double rest of the day, so I don't think they're going to need the raw at the end.
But obviously raw value at that last E4 when they're running around in circles is obviously big value.
I'm not sure how much, how many wars they actually need though.
I don't think they're going to do as much of a negative in the boss if anything it's just a DGS game right?
Yeah, it's a game but it just comes down to if we're gonna need to see some reprog now because of that change because we I don't think we need it based on the gear
So that's why I'm that's why I'm curious. It's like why have we made the swap now?
Yeah, I'm not sure that's a question. I'll see
I need a bit for someone could answer I guess. Yeah, I don't really know
Because I'm not sure how hard
Um, he's on guiding druids on this fight compared to the blood decay and I'm not sure if it's hard on keeping alive
I'm not I'm I'm guessing obviously the boss smacks. So whenever I watch blood you can this boss. I'm like, oh my god
He's gonna die bro. Yeah, he's dressed. He's like this you bounce with like 20 cents a hundred percent all the time
Um, but yeah, that's um, I'm not really do you clean up on tanks?
Not nothing for you played. So
Not really sure what yeah guiding druid or blood decay and what the positives make it so obviously the grips nice in p1
but with double DK you can make it work with a couple of knocks I'm sure.
Yeah, you can get around it. We'll have one monk rings of peace, we, yeah, I'm trying
to think what else can help gather up the orbs. That's what you're talking about, yeah?
Yeah.
Collect all the orbs up?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see.
Yeah guys, what they're doing right now is they're probably saving all the loot
from all the bosses right so it's definitely out on one boss when you can probably clear the raid
within the loot timer so what will be happening right now is they'll be giving out the loot
to the best optimizer DPS um so yeah we might have to save us 20 minutes first while they're doing
that unfortunately a bit boring but it's what it is yeah yeah and if you don't mind bangers
I'm gonna take a quick AFK myself and uh and I'll be right back I'm gonna grab a quick
coffee and then we can carry on some of this this has been good good fun so far
Well, then I'm gonna enjoy it in chat.
Thank you so much for all coming in and hanging out.
It's really great to see you all come in
and chill and chat with us.
So really appreciate it.
And again, if you have any questions
from your bangers or anything,
please feel free to send those.
We will, we're kind of like vibing today.
We're obviously gonna see some Lura Prob very, very soon.
But yeah, maybe actually, yeah,
bangers will hold on a sec
because maybe we might even do a quick ad break
on our side of things chat.
And then we'll give it to you right now.
It'd be nice if we could do an ad break with one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we would love an ad break, please, sir.
Who's in charge here?
You or me?
You.
Scores arounds.
All right, you can have an ad break.
Scores.
We'll have one.
Yeah, sco we'll have an ad break.
I'll see you guys, cheers.
All right, see you in a sec, chat.
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All right guys, welcome back to the race of the world first.
Today we have a chair stream for you guys.
As you can see our casters have not made it back on time.
So yeah, you have me in prompt two.
How's it going chap?
How's everybody's morning?
Prime TV, what's going on, Caster 3, indeed, that is who I am, I'm the man in the background.
Caster 3.
Pogre, Caster, yo, yo, yo, how's it going, how's it going?
Was good, everybody.
It's modern day technology, chairs can speak these words.
Alright, I'm back.
I was going to say, if I could have done something with a machine, bro, I'd do
it, bro.
Bro, you know how it is. It's automated.
You guys, you ran the timer too low, I'm afraid.
I don't want to get to Twitter though, so I had to.
I'm pretty sure. Was it you and Si last time, where the same thing happened, where he was like two minutes late for the break from the break?
No, it literally was yesterday or something, he was like, oh yeah, do you know what I've learned today, chat, is that I can't make a coffee in a three minute ad break, and he's gone and done the same again.
I hate you to get yourself out of there, but...
I think he's just put a little less water in the kettle, you know, and like it'll boil faster this time, right?
No, even when I'm sprouting up the stairs as well, because I was like, shit, I've got to take it too long.
Nah, it's all good, they're just distributing loot anyway.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah. I pray you don't do break-off this dude, you're going to do lunch break, I can feel it.
Oh, goodness.
Yeah, so how are we feeling about today, bangers? Do you think, uh, big progress day?
Yeah, what's has to die today?
Has to die?
Yeah, has to die today.
We've got to the car to get tomorrow, what's has to die today?
Or we just completely, here we go.
Ooh, so that'll need to be figured out because unfortunately, after my shift today, I am
back home.
Yeah.
Yeah, so...
You've been there for three weeks or two?
I've been here for 17 days now.
Yes.
That's long.
Long.
Yeah, very long.
Can the stream hear you right now?
They can't hear me.
Okay, cool.
I'm talking to myself right now or what?
It kind of would have been funny honestly.
That would be.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, I mean there is a possibility of that, but we'll see how it goes.
I mean I'm pretty confident looking at how things kind of are that we're not looking
at that as even an option right now.
Yeah.
Is it a time left in the day, right?
I mean, you know, we're only a couple of hours in, they started less than three
hours ago, so I would expect without a doubt.
Actually it is hard though because I think Liquid and Ekko got the p4, I know p4 has all been laid out for them right now
but p4 did cause a few issues, obviously at the start but I guess it was learning what happened
The problem is this fight is just so hard to get to p4 consistently right
but I guess, or honestly how easy it is with the loot, the extra loot and stuff
It basically determines how quickly it goes boss, we have to see how early Lyra prog goes again when they get there
but yeah I think it's really harder than what people think
Welcome home welcome home. Welcome back. So they can actually hear you by the way, but Mark because yeah, yeah
I need to get a better kettle how you got coffee that I did a coffee and I look up to
And I got back before you so what where's cyber?
Yeah, I got too many stairs. Maybe I don't know I need to yeah
I'll get in a better kettle for next race
But yeah, we're back so we're getting we're getting prepped up. There's still something through some loot and stuff
And then we're gonna be ready to rock. Yeah
Yeah, I want our 15 minutes left to my shift at least this I want to see you some Lyra product
At least there's no I'm sitting for four hours. I'm not sitting there, but hopefully yeah
Yeah, yeah, I want to see people on this. I mean, I'm doing five hours today. I'm good. I'm going for another two
I think yeah, so I want to see
I want to see some loofahpog as well, that would be, I'm guessing I want to see some loofahpog too, yeah same obviously I haven't seen P4 yet so it would be cool to get there quick
I think P1 and P2, P3 will take a little bit, like obviously take a little while to get back in the room again but I don't think it should take too long
Yeah, but yeah, Chinese Guild is 20% on all 3, 3, 6, they're not that far behind
Yeah, they've been I mean they've been doing all right normally the thing like
Normally the pattern that you see with a lot of the Chinese guilds is that they have this insane pull count
Their prog seems to just like they get there, but it seems to just be
brute force
getting through mechanics, but
336 pull count
Remember they haven't had their weekly reset yet chat theirs is on Thursday
That actually looks pretty decent.
Yeah, all levels pretty good there as well.
Obviously Chinese go the ways of higher level somehow.
I don't know how but they use some stuff.
I thought there was some differences with like vault or lockouts or something like that.
I thought they were supposed to have a slightly different client.
Obviously there was a publish as well via NetEase over there and I guess NetEase managed everything.
But I thought Chinese servers were supposed to have slightly different
lockouts and weekly vault stuff, but I don't know if I'm just completely
talking out a turn there and completely off.
Yeah, I'm not sure how it all works.
I know they do have some different things, but they can't be that.
I mean, they're still including the race rights.
They can't be a good different, like I was looking at it, so it must be
kind of the same, but not sure.
Yeah, it probably is the same and probably just that's probably just
some small whispers that are incorrect, small rumors that are incorrect, you know?
But yeah, so yeah, they've been doing really well, to be honest.
It would be cool to see more of their production and how they do, you know, it would be cool
to see more events over there.
But it's weird, like I don't think WoW is, I don't think WoW is like crazy big over
in China but it seems to weirdly be growing and gaining traction so they have a lot of they have a
lot of gamers that love wow that's for sure yeah and they're very degenin the fact that they can
play for a long long time I always feel like the Chinese dealers I remember once they were
heard once before they used to play 24 hours a day because they'd have two great teams and like
one would play 12 hours and the other would play the other 12 hours but I have no idea if
that is ever actually true or that is just some means from like the outside of the world
Yeah, I think there was a few tears ago now in this probably Shadowlands where they had
They actually because their reset is on the Thursday and content comes out in NA on the Tuesday
I think they went and would practice bosses on mythic on the Tuesday with slightly less geared characters
because they wouldn't put as much effort into it.
So they would go in on a Tuesday
and research some of the bosses on mythic and stuff.
And then on Thursday, they already had a bit of practice.
But yeah, it's hard because there's such a divide
in order to get information from over there,
but it's always really interesting.
I was following like Nazda's info on the race
and on Twitter and stuff.
He's always like informing everyone
of how things are developing there.
And that's how I got the info in terms of there being a prize pool for China and some of the teams, so yeah, it's pretty cool, it's pretty cool.
Yeah, I mean it's cool, I always think it's weird though, it's like you know where a striker that gets gold bonus from scoring gold, I think it's such a weird concept, it's like you should just be proud of the team.
Yeah, if I was a striker bro, I was getting gold score bonuses for like how many goals I scored, I always wanted to be shooting, I'd never want to pass to my teammates.
Yeah, you never want to pass.
I don't care about winning, I care about scoring, which isn't the same, you know.
It's a team game, obviously everyone wants to score this because they can't.
Yeah, yeah definitely.
It's like when he heard about that guy that said his class was really good on a boss, even that wasn't because he wanted to be on that kill.
got the bonuses right for finishing Pyre in the world in the guild but like it's not
me being a boonkiss oh yeah boonkiss is really good for this fight guys get me in
even though it's dog shit yeah but everyone does that yeah but that's such a bad thing to do in the
race for a first like there actually are players that do that I've been in this game for a long
time actually are players that try to gass on you and say oh my god boonkiss is super sick on
this boss because they want to proc the fight right yeah then you gear the boonkiss up for
the profile thinking okay let's listen to the boobkin guy but it's actually dog shit so then
you've got this you're basically carrying a player through the raid because you've put all the
definitely on this guy yeah yeah like interestingly shaken was talking about something along those
lines yesterday where he was saying like if you have a new player join the give and i'm paraphrasing
a bit here and shaking i think shaken's on a little bit so he can absolutely give it a way
better, a big view. But he was basically saying, let's say you have a new player in on the team.
Chances are they might be on the bench because they're the new player. You might put them on a
role that they're less good on because you might already have, let's say you already have two core
majors. So they come in, you maybe put them on, yeah, like balance druid. Well, now their
information on balance druid, when you say to them, hey, we can bring you an imbalance on
this fight, you know, how valuable do you think you'll be? Their information is probably
not going to be as valuable because they don't know the spec inside and out. I'm paraphrasing
dead, taking it a little bit better like depth of clarity on it, but I just thought that
was interesting to think about and consider is like you are, you are to an extent trusting
the players with some of the, like how good are you get? Hey, if we bring you in little
Timmy are you gonna do well? And then it's up to them to really say what they think. And
I think that's really interesting. One thing that does stick up to me is even at the race to
world first level, we can say, oh, Blizzard, you're simplifying the game so much. And to an
extent, I do believe that. And part of me thinks it's a good thing. Part of me thinks
it's personally a bad thing but it might be better to get to a point where people can pick up classes
and be a little bit more of a of an expert a little bit like quicker or a little bit more realistically
I don't know I do like having those niches where you're like look you are the devourer guy and
then you are the vaker guy like I like that I do like hey manford have like what I've never
never still wanted to pay anything up with a mage. Like you know, the information he's
given us on mage is probably going to be correct. It's like warlock.
Because I don't think he knows that other classes exist, bro. His login screen is default
on mage. He doesn't know anything about that.
Yeah, when I look at Ekko, I think it's over on the warlock. He's never paid anything
up on the warlock. I look at Red Walker for Liquid Trill. These players are always
going to pay respects to top, top, top level. And the information they're giving
you on these classes you know are probably going to be correct. It's the people that
and sometimes they put in their eggs in different baskets, like it can be a bit harder to get a read on exactly what's what, but
there are people that just play these certain classes to absolute top level and you know
You're probably gonna get good read on them classes that helps a lot in choosing your final comp at the end
She won a prompting for it. Yeah. Yeah, I do I do always like hearing the storyline for me
I'm a players guy right like I got back into watching formula one because of the story lines
It was drive to survive like six years ago or whatever
where for the first time I was able to connect with the sport from the perspective of the teams, the drivers,
and understanding the dynamics there, the rivalries, the history.
That's what fascinated me about Formula One. When I actually look at it, the cars going around the track is fine,
but I love the stakes and the storylines, and I think it's the same in WoW.
I always love the storylines of the players.
The number one thing I always want to do whenever I get on a cast is find out information about the players.
Yeah.
And it's so hard when you're not a LAN, right? Like I do the best of what I can.
So hard when you're not a LAN, you can't see their faces, you can't put the name to the face, you can't connect all the dots there.
But the building the heroes is, I think, really important from the cast of Desk is building up the players and being able to create fans of these players,
players with you know with the community and drive people towards them and say hey this
players really awesome for these reasons and all that kind of stuff and it's really cool
when you do have those players I mean you mentioned like Trill and Zoho and like these
guys who are like yeah Wilde these guys who are they're iconic in many ways like Cush
Cush is a big icon you know we saw him dancing everyone's having a good time you have
these iconic players and I think every team needs them and it's always cool to
see what they're able to do each year and when they have those big moments where they
make a big impact and a big play, it's always fun to watch.
Yeah it's good, it's really good. Yeah but, yeah, Methodal obviously requires some really
the same players over the last few days. Like Zalea, you've got Kix, he comes from Echo,
you've got Kersh, it's quite a few of them right?
Yeah now as well.
Yeah now, like, yeah.
It's a mildy ever playing Echo.
No, no, no, he's always been in Methodal. He was in pieces and then he comes to
Method.
was in pieces yeah okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we got him Andy it's not
pieces and I'll stop moving on now yeah yeah but this is always that this is
always the hardest for pieces right pieces are a bit like the nephro situation
right now we're doing we're in the first spot it's hard to get from the
third to the top right because you there's so many different avenues and
things you need to build up and race with us there's so many different
things you need to improve on and it's hard when you have so many
skills that your players and your players from other
skills, it's just how we saw these sports worse, right?
Yeah, people are going to move on, but it's hard to retain
the players to try and make that extra step.
Yeah. Yeah, it's that that's where, like you say, if the
requirements to compete in the right, like, you know, like,
if I compared to Final Fantasy, right? There are so many
teams like when a raid releases when an ultimate releases as well there are so many teams competing
and any one of them can win it and that's what makes it so cool to watch and you do have these
underdog stories you have these teams where nobody saw them come in and they outright win the thing
and and there's it always is jumping around you do have teams that are consistently
really good. Echo even recruited one of these teams recently and they started like Echo
started jumping a little bit into Final Fantasy World First racing. But then the races I think
were just a bit too quick for they did like a savage tier, which is four bosses that it
dies in like 24 hours. It's too quick to do an event on. But for an ultimate, it's
more of like a week, seven days, where I don't know how long a week is. But like, yeah, it'll be
at least like, you know, a week, you know, a short week, it's five days. But no, it'll actually go
the distance. It'll actually be a full like seven or eight days. And, and that's probably a bit
more worthwhile. But it's really cool seeing so many teams being able to jump in and you get
to learn so much more about all of these players and where they've come from and
everything to get to that point. So it's really good fun actually watching the Final Fantasy
race. There'll be another one in a few months and I do recommend chat that you check it out
because it is really, really cool. In fact, I think I'm going to say something controversial
yet brave. The raids in Final Fantasy are better than the raids in World of Warcraft.
You can't say that, bro. That's all just true. Both are incredible. Can I add both
are incredible? The Final Fantasy raids are insane, but you're going to read it
But okay, I know I'm saying this in the wild stream so I know I know who people are gonna hear what people again
Wow class design eats fun offense the old day
No paintball offense, so copy have a copy put my two piece on that
But yeah, boy guys, it looks like we definitely skip and Bella read so we go straight for Lure probably just say the
I appreciate that. I appreciate that you're like
Bro, I can't I can't
No, but memes aside, I would I would the cool thing with final fancies
I feel like it's maybe such a better WoW player and my guild in WoW actually recruited me because of my performance in Final Fantasy.
Final Fantasy, yeah. Which is absurd.
Final Fantasy looked insane. They looked insane, but I watched a little bit on Echo and even with Max's then I even just watched his streak back and down.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think he plays anymore, but like, I just watched that. I thought Final Fantasy looked quite cool.
Yeah.
I think that's kind of where
wow, the race, the photo boss,
like, kind of like a photo fancy boss.
I think it's really cool, like, really good visuals.
Yeah, I think we should just stay with the
living program.
We're going to roll, I think, but we say
that photo fancy raises well once.
I would disclose that out by saying, yeah, I know you
mentioned like Max and stuff.
It is a shame because I think, I think he even
said recently, like, he wishes he could go back
and play the game a bit, but, like, yeah,
I think he's going to play the game a bit.
the game a bit but like yeah just the way things went over there it's like kind of it's
kind of soured the things which is really really a shame because it was it was cool
seeing a lot of that like McGurr was playing everything but yeah it's cool stuff anyway yes
we will we'll jump on the wild stuff we'll jump on Laura guys we are this is okay hold on is
this heroic or is this mythic it's must be a fake because it's me so yeah we're jumping in
in on mythic now uh wait it's now wait where is now how is i was here i know he's on guardian
you know where top left frame looks like prop warrior yeah looks like probably a little bit uh
which is silly because and quack i was except where uggs is now on the player frames i was
expecting quack to be and i was like wait where are our two tanks and then i couldn't find quack
yeah they were they were seeing their p3 groups probably yeah i was i was i got a little bit
confused for a second I was like wait I was like don't tell me after all that now
switch back to the DK. I think what's cool about this boss is when you see the
teams split teams VK or whatever the boys come to ease in the P3 because obviously
you don't want to be listening to the other group because you don't really care
what's going on over there you want to just be focused on your side. I remember
the only other boss really we did that properly on was like Spools of Pandarian
CJ Mugamart like when you have the two different groups right you would
always just be on different boys come to the other side. Actually kind of
like the aspect is kind of fun to see them switch channels and listen to
only the raided on their side yeah you'll say here like when team one or
team two makes a mistake you'll hear the comms afterwards like yeah do you like
those fights where the teams are split up and maybe we had that on Salhadar last
year we had it on Demensius did you like these teams I would say I'm
really favourable would say they're really bad but I think they're quite
It's just different, I like different bosses, different mechanics, it's quite cool to see.
I wouldn't say I'm a Hoos fan, I wouldn't say it's also Hoos negative to that either.
It does make you have to bring a certain raid comp to that, which is annoying.
It's like Razigeff, you wanted to make sure you had double DH, you wanted to have the boss right.
I think that is kind of annoying.
I like bosses where you can just bring your best players to the raid,
fuck the raid boss off, I think it's a bit annoying.
I would love to just better bring my 20 best players that I have in the guild into Boston.
I mean, your pre-plan is basically making sure that you put these players on the classes
and you know you have to bring into the raid, but it can obviously have some sort of caveats
and there can be some weird scenarios where if you've got just no loot, the correct
player, then your friend can plan the same class as us, and you just kind of have
to bring them.
Because my level is just so poor in this game to a certain level.
Yeah, it's... it is a sticky situation where it's like we're bringing the spec or the class
and not the player necessarily.
I think there's pros and cons.
It's good of Lizards to try and get class representation in a 20 man mythic.
I think trying to get spec representation is really difficult and there's probably
a limit.
You probably only have a couple ways of doing it and one of those is like, we cycle
each tier which specs of that class are good so like this tier it'll be winwalker next
tier it'll be missweaver like you can do that but then you're just gonna have players
who are like well I'll just quit next season because I know my spec is not gonna be good
like I only want to play if my spec is good.
Oh a cool question would be is how many extra vantus runes have we gained this week?
Did we actually have everyone vantus on this spot?
I was just thinking about that as well yeah.
I don't think we did, I think there would have been some like maybe like he was
hoping to get an advantage on this spot but we were cool to know how many extra
vantus runes have we got this week as well over last week.
How many would we have set on Bella?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, it would be a small feat to find out.
I'm not sure I haven't got logs.
So yeah, there were there were some players who were playing
different, like Faithy, for example, he had two hunters.
And one of them he was playing on.
I think like he played one on Illyria, but then played a different one
on Bella Ren or something.
So it was probably like a Ventus thing there.
And then that he could bring his other one in to like Laura.
There was some kind of swap.
I can't remember exactly which boss it was now.
But that is a play because the advantage you get from the ventis is actually quite significant
So if you have two similarly geared characters and you can give both of them ventis
Then that's better than one character who's slightly more gear
Yeah, yeah, but only has ventis once like that's what I would think
Adventist is something like five percent percent personnel, which I believe it translates a 1% verse equals 1%
dammit.
oh yeah that's the question for the pyrirca.
I don't know if I want to say that.
I ain't going to throw that with chest.
I ain't going to throw that with chest though.
hold on hold on hold on hold on I want to pull that back.
but man this is big.
man this is big.
we're going to agree man this is big.
I pulled that back yeah.
yeah.
hmm.
so that'll be all doing like re-logs and everything making sure everything like you know.
yeah everything's good.
yeah that cash get everything reset ready for the first quarter day.
Yeah, how do you think we're gonna go like do you think we're gonna get what's your foot P you pull one prediction
Yeah, and and bangers
I think also quick P1 like I think quite early because yes, it's
You got to get a little feel for it again, right? You've just gone and done seven other bosses
They did skip Bellarem, thankfully, but you just go and then seven of the bosses. Yeah, you got to get in the zone now again for for Lura, but I
Think I think we'll be getting what would be terrible. Now is if they go on lunch break surely not surely would have had
It's gonna be an hour in our that they will go on break. So probably when I finish my stream
So that'd be perfect
You might be having the cast five minutes of your last hour in the lunch break, but yeah sure you've got it
Yeah, they normally come on and then they go on lunch break, which is like you bring in
and you're just ready to go, and then it's like, oh, okay, we're actually gonna just chill.
But would you be upset if they one-shot this boss right now?
Like they just go and do all the peep, like they just do every one-shot it right now?
I wouldn't be upset, but I think, I love it, I wanted to get it quick, but I actually
want to get content to watch today, because I also want to be bored, so I've got
Nothing else we need to do after this, so yeah I want something to watch but yeah for the guild sake I want to go to this boss quickly and just be out of here and just start focusing on the next tier already because yeah so you'd be happy with the one shot and you'd just be like oh man we just came straight in and just dealt with it
but yeah I would imagine we're probably going to get a few wipes here, maybe yeah maybe
What I want to know is chapter kitchen, how many wipes checkers are going to take for them to kill this boss?
From now?
From now?
So in total, so we're 4-7-1 now, how many more extra pulls are going to be to boss size?
I'd like to see if they should see how many people. I think we'll probably kill it close to 500.
I think like, okay, I think it's going to be, if not just over 500 maybe.
Dude, liquid was 4-5-5. That seems impressive.
That's very less than what Mepha had now, right?
Yeah
But like echo almost 500 there
But I think echo like they stayed awake didn't they they they kept going till like 3 a.m.
Or something on when on the night that liquid killed and echo kept going and they had a couple close wipes and stuff
So I think they kept they they carried on into the morning
So I wonder how many of those wipes would just sort of they were on fumes and
And and how much like it maybe if they'd gone to bed and then woken up the next day if they'd
If they did felt a bit better with that one, but yeah for nine for so almost 500 there
Okay, interesting. So
Okay, it's not like a 500 pull boss right like yeah, you will take
Wow, I don't know the light when was the last time we had a 500 pull
Especially with like a boss that's not bugged as well like I think there was some bugs
I'm not humming too obviously many people that have done the boss
Can actually show me on this but like I think there was some bugs on this boss
But like I mean the bugs that make this boss unkillable
I'm swimming to women to rather get us if we had platforms that were just the ads had too much health or like they had a
Shield run you can break that's obviously gonna in fact all count right but this boss kind of hasn't really had any
game-breaking bugs where you can't kill the boss. So this is like a 500 pull fucking harder boss,
like there's not really been many things other than the slowdown, the spinny things, yeah,
there's not really been anything. Yeah, like this boss has just been an insanely hard boss,
right? Obviously having a hard P1 obviously is going to also make the pull count quite
hard as well because like, obviously we're not watching Lickers first on this boss,
so we're just chain pulling to P1 and obviously figuring out how to figure out, right? And
have about 70 balls in P1 only though. That's like a lot of pools have about getting out of P1.
So just go to show how hard P1 actually was really.
Yeah I wonder how this would have looked if P1 had stayed the same.
Oh I think 700 maybe.
I actually think so yeah. Maybe Max is gonna achieve it and he probably would have a way
more, which he's greatly in the fight for 455 balls right so he has a lot more information
on that I'm just a caster outside the raid. Yeah. So he would maybe be able to say but
I think this boss would be yeah they didn't know if it was the play plays so P1 would have been
even harder than what it was when they killed it. Yeah I love encounter design it's something like
if I was to do any job in game development it would be encounter design I love the idea
of cooking up some bosses and trying to get a flow of a fight and when I look at Lura I think
Everything feels as perfect to me in a wildfire as we could get, I think.
Yep.
Where everything feels like it has a purpose for being there.
Every that I don't think you squeeze anything more into this fight,
because sometimes you get certain fights.
We think this could still be elevated.
We could still see a better version of this.
Yeah.
I don't know that we I don't know that we see that with Laura.
to me it looks from the outside it looks perfect yeah you know what Andy said
I actually hate the color choice and on this boss some some mechanics like
MP3 with the soaks it's so trolled like they're literally exact same color I
mean if that is a massive no maybe they're gonna change that that's a
massive no for this boss you just make them stars colors like a bit different
the soaks it's way to see I know it's also on the planet if you
constantly watching but like in that precious situation like that that
color on color it's just annoying like it it's just it would have been a bit easier if they made
the stars maybe yellow and soaps blue right or something like that yeah I don't like that Blizzard
are so strict with that where they're like they're designing a boss to to have a certain color scheme
like vanguard three paladins on a council fight is not necessary just can we throw in a warlock
or something can we just get some kind of variation there where I'm not looking at 17 different yellow
spells um so it would be yeah it'd be really nice if they would like have some differentiating
color scheme and I know it looks really nice that the room is purple and the boss is void and
cosmicky and and it looks great but I need to actually be able to decipher some of these
mechanics like even the glaives for example supposedly I again I know Max was commenting on
the glaives just being impossible you'd look at people's POVs you can't even see it there and
they did try and improve the visual on it a bit it looks a little bit more windy now it's it's
got more of like a wind visual to it I think was the slight improvement but to be honest you
didn't I don't really see it too improved it's more so just that they're slower
which probably helps quite a bit but then at times that almost makes it
Like if you think about a prowling lion in the Savannah, right, they don't go fast, they
go slow because slow is hard to see. If anything, they should have increased the speed of the
glaives, what do we think? Maybe he needs to make him faster.
I don't know, yeah. There's pros and cons, but sometimes they would, the slow down
playblades actually were harder to play because if they like climbed up perfectly to hit yellow
soaks you had to hit it. Yeah you're like get out of the way. Yeah you're like the
playblade you want to be faster sometimes you're like get out of the way dude I need to soak
this yellow thing on the floor. Yeah you're waiting for it to move. Yeah it's coming
so slow yeah and you have to use the immunity to soak it because otherwise you just bite
it and then the frame blows up. So there are obviously times where having the slow
playblades actually was worse but not in I'm saying the time it's easier to play
yeah yeah yeah sorry to any old ladies watching that I was just you know take
your time that's fine I'm not sure the other way then yeah it's not that's the
thing right it's like the glaives going slower can almost be an issue at times I
wonder if just reducing the overall amount of them is a thing that they'll
probably look at as well because we have to think about how they're gonna
probably know if this fight and it is a shame like we've been saying a bunch
I want to see this fight in in game the way that the greatest year are getting it because
Okay, so again, this might be a little controversial opinion, right?
But I'm willing to have that controversial opinion, but
And chat maybe you'll support me in this one. I know you probably disagreed with me on a lot of things and that's okay
That's fine, but I disagree with myself sometimes to be honest, but I
I want to see like you'll see the race to world first players. Oh, this fight so hard this fight is so so hard
This fight is incredibly hard
It's like okay. Well, I want to see like is it actually that hard
Actually that hard like are you actually that good?
You know, I've obviously been a bit tongue-tick there with the eye actually that good
But it's like I want to see the best way for me to see that is to compare
I want I want to reach a boss that looks in the same state as race one first kill it
Yeah, oh my god, how did these guys do that? They were five iron levels down or like whatever it is like
I want to feel and I think it's important for the players to feel it as well because it gives better perspective now
I can still reach bosses and go
But like even reaching Demensius
Dementious was like a 200 300 pull boss for my guild. I still thought Dementious was easy. So I'm just sitting there. I'm like
Yeah, I'm just like yeah, I'm like it's not something but like it's it's I want to see what would this actually look like
What does actually look like?
I think you'd like I think you'd like that until you realize that you've pulled 500 times your student P1 with your friends
Yeah, I'll not like be amen to you your friends
I guess to your gamers, but like I'm just saying like these the skill cap from the top two and three years compared to most average well-played
It's like
I actually disagree with that bit though like that's so I get what you mean, but I think it's all about
Context right so if you're in a guild and you're wiping and you know that there are guilds above you
your expectation shift where you're like it's annoying to be wiping here because
other guilds aren't if you're in a race to world first guild and you're wiping
500 times there's nowhere else better that you can play so it seems reasonable
it's kind of like yeah if you have a shift at work and it's a six-hour shift
or you have a 12-hour shift at work it feels really long because it's 12
hours that's the context of your shift. If you then have a six hour shift every
and then sorry and then if you have this 12 hour shift and then suddenly you have
like a six hour shift you're like oh my god today was so quick I only did six
hours because the context is your 12 hour day. If you always do a six hour shift
you're naturally gonna align that with this is a long shift because this is
what I used to have. So you know what I mean? Like I think if you if you're
you're in a race for the first game, they can't get anything better, you're gonna almost
understand the wipes, you know? I don't know, that's what I would absolutely think.
Yeah, it's hard. I mean, you also do see guilds like Fat Shot Guests, which are absolute
gamers, right, and they're not racing for the first guild. So, no, I'm not saying that
only the best players in the world are in the race for the first guild, that's
also not true. There is some players also in this game that are in like Fat Shot
Guests and Vars, Instant Dollars, all these sort of guilds, which are absolute gamers,
they just don't have the time and mindset to what I'm playing the most for first is a lot of it's a lot of time
No, I give it a say as well like in the fact that like they might be players in your guild
Which could easily play this level in skill-wise, but not me some of them
16 hours a day for a whole month and like yeah, it's a whole different
You're wrong I see absolutely
I'm just I'm just wondering if like and then you might be absolutely right
I I could probably be in that environment one day and ago. Oh my god. Yeah, this sucks. I hate this
I never want to do this ever again this sucks, but
But yeah, it's just like interesting to think about how that
How that is I just it would be cool to see some of these bosses the way that these guys see him sometimes
Oh, yeah, I am it all for that as well
But here we have a first pull to the left here in New York
Let's see if we can get some good policy guys phase one the nuclear phase is see if we can get into this
yes yes yes let's go so we've been talking about these glaives let's let's see how they end up going
these terminates seem to be handled well right now they're dealt with in no time at all
I just want to see the eye level bro I want to see the eye level bro
yeah I was just going to say let's wipe quick we'll see the item level update I know people in chat
I did ask and people were saying what they think the item level is probably going to look like
I think 2-8-1 I think 2-8-1 yeah yeah I don't know with the amount of crests as well um
I'm gonna I'm gonna say 282. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go one more
But yeah first pull in
So we got yeah, we got the memory game
You can see certain players are able to see some of these certain people not
I don't know if Robin even ended up being able to see too many of those must have because she's in the face
She's getting assigned here. So we're gonna see
Yes, everyone should be in position. That's an easy one first pull going well so far today
So good stuff there. You'll see sometimes people will drop the crystal chat
Sometimes they'll just keep a hold of it and let the beam hit them while they're holding the crystal and
Just gonna spawn a couple. I think they're like tears of
Somebody tears of some lore character and and you soak those
And and and and then there we go
So here now now we're gonna pull in some of these crystals that we're gonna want to heal up
I think it's just so cool that their focus can grip the players into a stack of range, right?
I think that's why we see a couple more of them as well.
Yeah, it's such a cool visual, I feel like.
Yeah, very, very advantageous.
And you can see they grip them into a very specific position where they're naturally going to be dodged by the glaives,
because the glaives are going to shoot out and they'll be that natural sort of safe space.
That's what it seems to be anyway.
And Reuben gets clipped by a glaive there and just doesn't...
It just takes it.
Just takes it in tree form.
Got a lot of bark, tough bark there.
These are the tough moments where you have the memory game with the baby that are coming to your face
and you're having to try those baby, it's got to also stand in the memory game, right?
That's where it could become tricky to say that, that's where you have a lot of wipes when you're, you know, you're having to do both attacks at the same time.
I do feel like this phase, especially for you, it's just so hard for you.
Yeah, it just wraps up.
Because you've got all these glaives that are just catching your eye and then also, like, look, that one goes right through the raid.
You see everybody having to adjust merely having to shove forward range having to peel backwards
We did see in the earliest stages
I don't know they're gonna get them I think it's gonna be a white yeah
The blood DK no blood DK that's probably partly because of that
Come on it's gonna be a bit
So you said 281, I think maybe 282, they're going to have a shoot in a little bit because
they're going up like, well, 300 levels, I don't know.
281, you got it, I'll round up on that, it's 0.5, I'll take that, I'll take the P1 by
prediction and the I-level prediction, there you go, I win.
There you go, you win.
What do you win?
Do you win the scan PC, maybe?
Oh, that'd be nice, yeah
That'd be nice. Yeah, that'd be very very nice. Yeah, I think the eye level obviously they they had to bring in work out of the H
Which was discussed anyway
It's their BH had to go back to work today
So they had to make some swaps which they probably didn't want to make
Which obviously you hinted their eye level see the island was not that much hard guys. I mean yeah
Okay, one level is a lot
1.5 of the lickers first skill
But that's not gonna make this boss free. Let's just put that way
Yeah, it's not gonna be like oh now we can just ignore everything it'll still be it'll still be hard and and like we say with this
It's a mechanical check a lot of the time. Yeah
Two seven eight worst on his DH, so it was two seven five
It would have been yesterday, right and then it's it's come and gained
Three item levels on that so yeah, that's that's I mean that's great
I want to see wild because Wilde is a guy who he likes to get some gear so I want to say what's his character name?
It's Wilde
Shnell
Whatever that means let me find out so
It means while these
Perfect he is
To 80 oh 280 okay, okay, he hasn't gained much I don't think so I think he was
I think he was the hardest level, one of the hardest level major in the world, you know, or this week.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's always fun when the, uh, when the Raiders are posting like,
higher level levels in the world and stuff, everyone gets to, uh,
to show who's been, who's been working hard and who's been luckiest.
Uh-huh. He's always the luckiest, that's the fact.
Yeah, is he?
Yeah, he's always the best gear to, uh, in the-
I think a lot of it is he's willing it into existence.
I mean, I've seen that man walk into splits and demand the loot.
Yeah, yeah. So when you gear characters like you know, major's always going to be in. So yeah, it's a safe pick for most of the constantly on right?
Yeah, it's a big factor in how you get your your first 20 Raiders like yeah, major's warlocks, you know, DH, normally these sort of classes you just know are going to be on every fight pretty much.
They're going to be the ones that you probably get on most.
Yeah, I think it's pretty reasonable though if you're a triple DPS class, you need to be tuned.
Well, I don't know if this is a controversial take, but if you're a triple DPS class, you need to be good.
One of your specs needs to be good because otherwise your class is dead.
Oh, sorry. Otherwise your class is dead.
And what that means is that then you're like not gonna be taken to any content at least if you're
like if you can tank or heal in theory you have the
ability to shift and you're still gaining
Progress on that character. I don't know
But you know, I know not everyone that plays DPS is gonna go in tank
But I'm just saying it like at least maybe one of your you know
One of your other roles is at least good
If you're a pure DPS, if you're a mage, if you're a rogue, if you're a warlock, I think you probably should be consistently pretty good.
Yep, definitely for sure.
And I wonder if someone off the prize pool would have been more competitive with players 75 in the chat.
I think it would, personally, because the time invested you need to put into the game is maybe more worthwhile, right?
Some gives off a more money than others, that's facts, and I think if you had a prize pool, you probably would have more players
You want to come back and put the time effort in I mean yeah, you could earn a living on to the game
Oh some players do some players don't
You know
So on that point
You know Shopify the guy who made Shopify. He is a massive Starcraft
Okay, yeah, so he actually sponsors a bunch of
I don't know if it's a bunch of Starcraft tournaments, but he funds, I think it was ESL, you'll be able to,
chat always knows.
ESL that Shopify is a big sponsor of, so he just loves Starcraft.
I think he used to play a bunch, so he has made his money on Shopify and then he goes
and puts it back into Starcraft.
I think there was also, there was a story recently I saw of a guy who was a Warlock
player. Blizzard nerfed his spec in like WOD and he got so upset about it that he went
on some weird growth arc, you know, found himself spiritually, decided that he was gonna go
and get into like coding and whatever. And I think he he created one of the cryptos.
I think it's Ethereum. Now he like owns, like, you know, he's involved in Ethereum.
probably a billionaire. That guy needs to come back and support the race, you know what I mean?
You're a billionaire, just come and buy a couple teams up and just fund the race.
Doesn't Elon Musk play Classic Well or something? I swear.
He plays Diablo.
Oh, is it Diablo? Is it okay?
Yeah, he plays Diablo.
I swear there's some really rich people that plays well there and I'm like, just sponsor
the race for it. You look a milli. It's just a quick milli on the prize pool.
Do you think that would immediately even get too much traction?
The way things are these days, because this is what I think about, right?
Realistically, if you're trying to recruit players for Race Lord 1,
the younger you are, the better, because young people are generally so switched on,
they're so advanced these days with the skill that they gained so early,
Also, they have the time.
Young people don't have houses and stuff to pay for.
Exactly.
They have the time.
They live in the basement in their mom's or dad's house,
and they can just be degenerate.
That's why it's important.
I live in the basement with my mom.
It's probably like, maybe I could get in the race.
Exactly.
I have one in-house now, and I can't afford to pay this game.
That's just a joke.
There you go.
So you need to stop being so successful in real life.
That doesn't count.
You need to just lock in.
But you want young people.
So if you're a young gamer, I'm
look at it from their perspective. If you're 14, you're 16 and you're looking at like, right,
I'm, I want to be an Esports. Everybody wants to be an Esports. Everybody wants to be an influencer.
Everybody wants to be, you know, the next sense you like in whatever. So if you're that, that 14
year old, that 16 year old, and you're looking at Esports, how are you making that decision on
which one you invest all of your time in? Cause you, you can play one, you might dabble
in two, right? You look at, you look at NFL pros and NBA pros and they, oh, I play baseball,
basketball and football and whichever one I was best at, whichever one I got a scholarship for,
that's the one I went with, right? Well, I can't even seem probably with these people here guys,
it's just sad, but yeah, if I was to ever put all my time and effort into another eSports,
I don't think I'd choose wow just because of the fact that like you can, it's hard to as well,
would you? Yeah, she wouldn't know it. If I was going to put all my time and effort into,
I'll play CSGO or something, but UK people are not good at CSGO anyway, so that's that,
I don't mean a single fucking UK guy that's really good at CSGO.
Yeah, I'm not in the CSC now.
Yeah, it's got to just be Russians at this point, surely.
Yeah, the scan name is the way it goes.
Yeah, the scanties love it. They love it. I love some CSGOs.
But yeah, I think WoW is one that is just mainly community driven
and you play it because you just love the game so much
and that is what we would love.
I love the community of WoW. It's good.
Chat knows everything, by the way.
is he is he is he English yeah there's not many there's not many good UK CSF
plans you know that's good that way yeah there's one which is what I'll take it
I'll take it if he's the go if he's the go I don't know I used to watch a lot of CSK
I don't watch it in a while but I think it's probably one of the funnest e-sports I love
to watching them. I think it's so cool. Yeah. Yeah. I think as
well as a viewer, just looking at a game where you can just
immediately interpret what's going on and just like, you're
just you're in, right? Like, I've never watched CSGO. I've
kind of played it a little bit. I could go watch a CSGO tournament
start to finish and I would be able to just I'd be able to
pick it up. You know what I mean? Like, you can understand
they're trying to click on each other's heads. They want
to be strategic. They, you know, yada, yada, yada. You
see it like a 3v1 the bombs gonna go out like you're getting hype it's exciting
yeah yeah so if you're a young if you're a younger kid and you're thinking about
what eggs to put or what basket to put your eggs in you're kind of like you
know you're going for a water walker probably not and then you think okay
well you need probably a substantial financial reason yeah to want to then
jump into water walker so you probably need a sizable prize pool or a long
period of time where people actually have a couple years to grow and push
toward that goal and you know yeah money isn't everything but at the end of the
day the way you get the best people for the job is generally to pay the most
because then the people that are the best are gonna you know they're gonna
be attracted to that environment in many ways obviously the actual overall
organization, like, you know,
style is also really important.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I've always said about this game,
you have to look at it, obviously,
not to say the massive organization.
So, yeah, you have a bit of money behind the scenes,
but obviously, I'm not going to go into detail.
I'm not going to say how much people pay for people.
Because that's not why.
It's a lot between one pound and a million pounds.
Yeah, that's not why.
It's somewhere in there.
It's not what we're just going to say, but yeah obviously it's hard to fund the guild in this game for sure and it brings a lot of, there's also pros and negatives to everything, it's always very hard to fund the whole, because there's just so many aspects to this game, it's not even just 20 players, it's 30 players, there'll be and developers and Ray Lee that you have to pay, there's a lot of time into this game, but it's just so much going on for it.
Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. It's a lot. And maybe a little bit too much people in white. Was that, though, was that due to terminate?
Because I don't think the orbs had come out yet. So, like, oh, the crystals, I think that was a little bit too much.
So, we can terminate it. They had a seed in their hands and they blew up. Is that how it works?
Yeah, that could have been...
You get one click. You get one tap, if it works. It's up there through.
Yeah. It's, um, it's... Yeah. If you're holding the crystal, I mean, that's the extra added.
I know some of the mechanics are cosmic and it's only going to be dangerous if it's a cosmic mechanic.
I'm going to be open here. I don't actually know every single cosmic-based mechanic.
I think some of them you can get away with.
Like for example, if you're holding the crystal and the buster is the beam with the sigils, you're actually okay.
That's fine.
But I think some of the other things like, I think glaives will get you.
So, yeah.
Yeah, I mean if trying to do the method that we really planned, I don't think that's going to happen.
Hopefully we can lock in here and get these P1 wipes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I said it's going to take a little while to get back into the Rogue Mine set, guys.
I did say we're going to have a few P1 wipes, and especially with the Guardian doing it now as well.
It makes it a little bit more spicy, but once we get through P1, I think we should be fine.
But yeah.
A couple of wipes here, hopefully they'll lock in and get this done.
Yeah, we'll keep on trucking.
Like, you know, we're going to get some teething issues.
first couple pulls back, we've just gone and done, you know, void spire and whatnot. We'll be fine, we'll be fine.
Yeah, it's trying to, it's trying to, like, it's kind of cool that we do have a bit of a race on our hands today.
Like, I like that little bit of added pressure.
I don't know that the players will necessarily be taking too much of that on board and how much we'll just be like, right,
we'll just get on with things.
We can go into raid voice calls if she wants to have a lot of them.
We can, yeah.
If she wants to have a couple pulls with voice calls on, I'm easy.
I mean, generally, like, comms is where you go to the players, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you want to listen to comms, you can go into individual streams.
Most of them will have comms on.
Yeah, yeah, like the team broadcasts, like the method cast, the echo cast, the liquid cast,
they're all for like casters, alright, so we're mainly going to be talking for most of the show.
That's just like how things run here, but you can go check out individual players if you want comms.
We should grab a lot of things if you want to go to them.
Yeah, we will, when we get into P3, it would be cool to do some comms, maybe
So, uh, definitely, well definitely if we get p3 to p4 transition would be awesome too to hear.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, but you know, it's good question.
Like we're chilling like we can answer questions.
That's also what we're here for.
So if you do have questions about stuff, then, um, then we can do that as well.
Like it's kind of open today.
And that's one thing that is nice about the race to the first is that it's not
so rigid.
We can interact with you in chat.
So, um, it's nice.
And sometimes we'll antagonize you a little bit.
I did guilty of that.
I'll be a little bit of a spicy conversation every now and then.
Yeah, I'll throw in a little, sometimes, you know, I'll throw in a little bone and just
get chat rolled up, but it's all in love.
It's all in good fun, you know.
It's all just to have a good chat, so.
Who do you see?
Yeah, dude.
Just move me out.
Yeah.
Save me a job.
I'll just sit here and watch.
Get out of here, Shakin.
Get out of here.
Wait.
I think Shakin's coming up to me.
Yeah, I think Shakin's coming up to me actually in five minutes, so that'll
be cool.
There we go.
Yeah, Shakin's.
Shakin's another one that just talks real talk, you know.
he just says it a bit, he says it how it is, like, not to be like, he's a realist, he's
like, you know, that's not sugarcane, some of the things that we see, you know, like,
we all want the best for these top three killers, and we set out how we think.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now, Shakin's good, great, like, I think the longer you listen to Shakin as well,
just the more value you get really, like, Shakin is one who, he ramps up, he ramps
up, to be honest, it's nice to hear, like, the more you're exposed to his commentary,
It's good. I know he just wants to talk about OSRS in classic WoW, but it's good. So we're going to get these crystal knocks in here, so we have one that's out, we're pinging it, we're desperately pinging it, guys kill us all, definitely the other one.
Okay, we've got one in Tengis. We've got one.
This is the problem about having the bloodb youk, though, right? We're going to have a lot of issues, sometimes with these crystals, they need to figure out where it's best to knock and which is best to expect to do the knock.
I mean, their Voka docks are pretty good. I think at least some docks are a bit wiffy, though they can dock mobs at sea miles sometimes.
Yeah, their Thunderstorm just does.
Yeah, their Thunderstorm is a bit of a weird dock sometimes.
You need a wide ultra wide monitor just to see where it went, yeah.
We have our old friend Kane here in the chat as well. I feel like we've got all the people in the chat today, I guess there's been a...
Well, you know what's kind of cool of coming in like third? Sorry, but like the kind of cool thing is everyone's chilling, everyone's getting their flights home and they get to come and hang out.
What's up, Kana? I've got a good race, man.
This is probably the easiest phase of the fight, I would say.
But a bit of downtime, like, you shouldn't really wipe here
unless you've really messed something up.
The crystal overlap can be awkward here, yeah.
Yeah, it can sometimes, yeah.
But this is probably the phase where you get to have a bit of a breather, like,
don't die here, kind of thing.
Just don't hit each other with the nexus feelings.
And initially I thought, oh man, this is a bit early into a fight
to give players a breather, but actually that P1 is pretty intense.
This is probably pretty nice to have this and and progging this intermission. It still wasn't cozy like there are a lot of
Intermission wipes, so I think we do have one death. I can't see exactly on who that is
See it's in C in C. Yeah, you're right
This phase is just quite healing intensive. I think once you've got the plan down for this phase
It's pretty written to repeat you just do them kind of three times over
Once they figured out where to put the crystals and how to do these rotations that this phase wasn't too bad
most new for the games I'd say. It's quite heal intensive I'd say. You need to sort out healing
cooldowns and when to use the fences at a good time. More than anything this tier I want to get,
I want to speak to Reuben. Like I want this tier to end and then I want Reuben or well any of the
healers maybe maybe Reuben's first tier so maybe like I don't know then or somebody who's like
been around for a couple tiers to just jump in and say how fun was this tier to heal
because it looked incredibly fun. Everyone's constantly rotting look at all this damage
damage gone out and it doesn't butt up from now until P4 it does not end it's
just constant look at Robin's mouth just flying across the screen obviously having
to heart everybody up I mean it's it's ridiculous it looks huge fun though
part of this phase is making sure you go into the knockback healthy right because
you didn't have to soak before swirls in each sector so you need to make sure
you're saving your person probably for the not at the end of this phase right
because everyone goes down to like trips and HP yes and then you have to all
run to soak your circle right and if that one of those circles go off you can see a lot now is this
going to be the knockback here because we did have a bit of this space it's the next one I was going
to say boss at 55% health that's generally where they want to be below yeah 53 is kind of the
speech spot I think 53% it's kind of where we're going into the knockback phase with this extra
I am level though it's like where are we going to be okay so it's about right yeah the knockback
comes in, you just make sure you soak these force threads on the floor as you blow up.
You can see the blurs out, you can see the demonic packs going on the wall, you can see
everyone's trying to get whatever defensive they have left in the tank there, and into P3,
everyone's up. Yeah, we stood up in 22 groups. Yeah, this is looking good. Hopefully we can get
a nice pull here because obviously we haven't seen this phase in a while now, so let's see.
The question I have with the phasing of these bosses, so obviously the boss splits in two.
Is this proximity based? It must be something to do with that, yeah.
Proximity-based mechanics are really cool, and I would like to see more of them in WoW where you can assign mechanics based on proximity,
because it's a really cool way to get consistency and also have freedom in how you're assigning a lot of these things.
So that must be proximity, so Robyn's screen sort of flash as we went into this phase,
and now we have to deal with, I think, the hardest mechanic in this boss, the constellation.
I mean, we're talking about two lanes going this way and that way.
to see the stars with the soaks right it can be a little bit uh bad in the eyes but I guess
they just kind of get a feel for it they've been doing it i've so many pulls now it's the one
the main thing you need to make sure if you're holding the seeds you do not blow up because
that's that's never it feels good and is this the manual runner is the manual runner first one
they were out of that in no time flat gateway the second one absolutely and that's why we have
the two warlocks as well not only are they good DPS but they're good for double gateways
Is Roybin going in their form there, going gorilla form to get into a soak, avoiding the constellations.
This phase I think is also all about careful, um, careful delicate movement.
If you want me to rush, you have time, but you want to be precise in that movement.
Everyone wants to spread out. We're going to get these sigils.
You're going to see everyone in the circles of light spread out into spurs that they don't touch.
You're going to see, oh, Roybin, watch out, big box again.
manages to live there no problem and then
We have a resin one minute 40 so we're gonna be down to solo healing on this side with Roybin on team two worst is looking really low pops the
Pops the blur at the game and the iron box there as well
Rami goes really low. Insie goes really low
They have some heels from Roybin to come now the groups are gonna be close enough where maybe we can get some assisted healing on the
Of course
Yeah, this was a good pull guys, but yeah, unfortunately losing the final there, which is not good
But hopefully just go again get another good boy. Yeah, I mean
Literally clean up to that point though. So that's uh, that's uh, good. I was looking good
It was fun fun to be back there. Thank you
P3
Yeah, I was our first pull three today and it looked like everything's looking good. So yeah
I think once you get the position the movement right and like making sure you'll spread properly for the marks and like not panic him
Insult even the markets when the member game goes out. You don't have to instantly be running to each other
Yeah, you can you can eat it the key is to not panic right and just actually
gradually move when it makes sense to move instead of just
If I can run it down made a sprint to the guys you connect with
Yeah
It was pretty good up until that point my final night
Yeah, yeah, that was looking really really good to be honest
Yeah, just fun fun to chat a little bit about that. So
Cool chat. We got some p3 nice to see at least we've been able to get some p3 during our cast
I'm still hopeful that we're gonna get some p4
And yeah, we'll see if we can get the during our class you got like 20 minutes left, right?
Yeah, 20 minutes
So if you get another good for at least some more shifts and then I'm sure you shaking what got sir
cast a kill maybe oh
Oh, no, don't spoil me with that.
That would be great.
That would be really cool to cast a kill on the cast.
But yeah, I mean, have you got anything to do?
You could always hang around, couldn't you?
Feel a little extra, you know?
Can I get the kill?
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe, maybe.
We'll see.
But yeah, it'd be cool to,
cool to if we can get a P4 on our shift.
That would be really, really nice.
Yeah, that would be nice.
I think you deserve it as well.
Yeah, yeah.
with the shift today, I think you deserve a P4 after unfortunately we took a little bit longer was why I think we got here a quick up maybe over though. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, had a few in the air.
I was there to get to about two and a half hours instead of probably like one half maybe but which one should have. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. I mean, they're progressing now. It's the main thing. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
And we're getting in. We have chat had the slight compositional change from yesterday. You'll notice now is on the Guardian druid, which is going to assist in some ways.
There's like we were worried about how much reprog they would need losing the blood DK grips
But we've had one or two wipes to it in P1 so far. It doesn't seem to be
horrendous like look you can see all those grips in there
You've got the double you still have double DK, but they should have two grips each I believe
So they can deal with some I'm trying to think of what other classes can actively just pull things
Manually, I mean
Yeah, like doesn't look like
I think it is to evoke as many that probably do it once outside. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would make sense if you've got the orgs. I mean, they've got time to do a lot of the utility. I played for the first time in beta recently and oh my God, you have like 40 buttons and every single thing is just incredibly situational.
Invoker's got insane utility, insane utility.
Crazy, yeah.
It's like some boss issue, wouldn't even be killing him without an evoker, I don't think
like, when I think about, what's that boss called, where you had to like, grip like the
priest on the platform, because they just got flung off, oh Razigath, like, Evoker was
like, oh my God, it's so pure in that fight, right?
Yeah.
There's so much utility, like with, what is it called, which invokers do, which make
everyone's hearts and stuff.
Oh, is it ebb and might?
No, that's all about it.
Oh, sorry, which one are you...
There's one where, like, Evoke's can give this priest movement whatever, and stuff, and there's also another one.
Oh, the movement one. Uh, yeah. Oh, I don't know the name of that one.
Yeah, there's like so many OP things that Evoke brings to the ring. It's crazy.
Yeah. I was also doing the same damage, normally. If you actually...
Obviously, on the meters, Org doesn't look good, yeah, but when you actually go into logs, they're pretty good, so...
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because...
Before this tier, like...
Or in the early stages of this tier, it's like, you know what?
I think Org is actually well tuned. I think it's at a point where it's good, but it's not that blanket OP where just everyone was running it in Dragonflight.
And if you didn't have an Org, you know, you had Orgs who were going into some of the highest keys in the world and they're like, they're generally normally like 2K IO or something.
And then they're just like, yeah, Org's kind of easy. It plays itself and you're like, oh man, that's...
I mean August now is pretty easy to play as well right because you just kind of, I mean other than the shagging is like I'm ballering where the LHM was going out range with the Emo-Kaz right, you can actually prioritize where the bus goes, but not in 9 seconds right now, August is a bit easier to play because you kind of just blank at the rain more than prior when some like super mass of who you buff at what times right.
Yeah, so that was always a negative plan, it was so hard to par and progress because Dev was also really good, so Dev was just also a good pick to play and it's just way easier to play than Org.
Yeah.
But the cheat death on Org is just so OP as well, and Org will have a phase from here.
But yeah, I think the cheat death on Org is also just super OP, I'm still unsure of why classes have a cheat death in this game or why the subclass have cheat death over others, I don't get it really.
But yeah, sometimes it is, sometimes it's dangerous to tell it is.
It is still weird right now where...
...Shayman, right? Like, if you're an Enhance, you defensively do not have a whole lot.
On the flip side, I think you have an incredible amount of utility.
If you look at DPS-Shayman utility, it's pretty crazy.
You bring a group buff and you bring Bloodlust, like, that's mental.
And then you bring, you know, Stunt, Um, Short, Kick, Yadda, Yadda, I can drop on an arm.
poison cleanse, like all that sort of stuff, they've got a bunch of stuff.
But then so I have a survivability wise, they're just not really there.
And then you look at another spec.
I mean, what I know, well, feral druid, where I've got bear form with
us on vigor, I've got, um, bark skin, I've got survival instincts.
Like I'm chilling.
If I, if I die on feral, it's because I'm noob.
It's, it's not because of the mechanic generally, right?
And then you have some specs which are just struggling a bit more. So, yeah, some have cheap death and then you think of all the other stuff
They're bringing on top of it. I do wonder
Another fascination for me is class design and I'm desperate to get a class design interview with the dev because I have so many
questions that I really want to pick apart of like
How they're designing some of these what they're looking at when they're addressing class tuning and yeah
Not tuning in terms of numbers necessarily, but just how they're allocating
some of these things, like defensive.
Yeah, no, true. Definitely.
And I feel like what you're saying is that you have bare form,
but it just feels bad to go bare form and lose so much damage there.
As a boonkin, like you have to go bare form and like
make you send the mechanics.
Otherwise, you just you just flopped there for it.
That's kind of what made boonkin less attractive than raids
because they were just so squishy.
Right. Yeah.
You obviously have good niches with boonkin.
100% like we saw in like sticks.
6 points for the player I think yeah, we've had a bit more than we've had for a while I think yeah
I'm sorry I didn't see, no I don't know you're fine
Yeah so there was obviously Nisha's bird, I don't know if she was really good but like
the bear form was always felt bad because she lost so much damage
but yeah you were obviously really tanky in bear form so there's a lot of things
which are a bit fast in this game in terms of like there's just some classes that are like
absolute nuclear tanks in the game and unkillable. Like, rep-pulling used to be unkillable, I'm not sure if it is still now, but the reason why you used to bring rep-pulling back in the day is because they were just nuclear, like, you know, rep-pulling just couldn't die, like, you had so many different things that you could, and you also had, like, sack and stuff as well, right?
So like there's so much value of bringing a pattern into the raid, and then this last like old Hunter and Boonkin, like to try and carry while they're was into the raid, yeah it might have been good enough, but like they just kept on because they just didn't have to talk it through the box, so that's just weird, that's just weird to me.
Yeah, I find like the hybrid tax in the modern game very, very, very strange because you have to take extra, like it used to be historically, well I have the advantage of being a Druid,
advantage of being a Druid, say, because I can go in bare form when things get tough,
I can heal myself, I can, you know, whatever you can swap around, and you have access to
a lot of class-wide Druid utility. But then the hybrid tax nowadays, where you're having
to shift into bare form just to be equally as tanky as somebody else is naturally, is
weird, right? And it almost feels like there's a hybrid tax these days without the advantages.
I can battle res, but I have to leave cat form and then a hard cast it for two seconds and then go back into like
And then I've got a remark of the wild. I've lost like six seconds of combat time
It's not a hybrid like and then you've got DK which can rip you're up. That's it
Yeah, you the talent it's free. It's instant boom done. Oh, yeah, it's uh, yeah the hyper attacks is weird these days
Yeah, and it's true. I hope we kill this boss before next reset benders
We've already had research, so we did voice by Miffy Karate, Reclare, and now we're back in the Lurebrough.
Yeah, something that I think for the race could be really cool, and I did suggest this,
I think every single raid team should have to field one member from their community,
and it can't be an x-ray store first raider, or like one person from the castle.
Everyone's got to bring somebody in, you know? It's like their community service.
I think that would make things a lot more interesting.
on the last boss or only boss last yeah well you're not gonna bring it on a
version you know what I mean right bring me on the exact type of boss yeah it's
gonna be last boss or sell her dog is every guild wipes on sell her off for
some reason yeah I think I think last boss would be good and then we just get
to interview that one guy who just I'm so scared it was terrible the
The glaives were everywhere.
Well, it's like the raid looks easier when you have a spectacle, a spectator from outside
the raid, you know, going into the raid is a whole different ball game.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, no, that would be quite good means at least, but...
Yeah.
You just get to live long enough to tell the tale.
Some good sites there, yeah.
We're going to be fine with those.
We know that when they're in a bad spot, the hunters generally have priority.
And there was some cool communication on that.
It was even a case of, hey, if you're not a hunter, get the hell out of the
soak because if you're in it we think it's going to get soaked and then you're
moving it last minute because of a beam or a blade sorry nothing's worse than the
person that goes in while I'm thinking they've run that last second yeah but
yeah Hunters are always really good especially when the beams are out because you can't see
tell if something goes wrong yeah you need to soak that circle when the beams
going over it or the crystal cleat or as close yeah they're close like they
they happen yeah yeah but it is close it is close I wonder how much that
extra item level is helping where we've got the guardian druid now but we've got the extra
item level so we have the chance for the crystals to be a little bit more wonky but we can still
get them whereas uh yeah I don't think it has really good AOE too you know so this guy
did have really good AOE I know that single target is mega um AOE wise I don't know I
think well brew is better in AOE I believe right or is it just that brew is so tanky
and unkillable. I was just thinking maybe that should the guy who's helping on the
crystal family as well over the blood deca. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not sure. But now we have an
intermission phase here guys. This is hopefully a phase we can just get through every time
about wiping because this is probably the easiest phase of the fight I'd say. So anyone's here
feels bad at this point of progress. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully we can get another good P3
reach by him four shifts and I have nine minutes left. Oh, you did it.
That's okay. That's okay. I mean, we get this today. I want to see a P4 on our
cast for sure. And then maybe we, maybe we, when we hand over to the NA gang,
they'll get the kill. I think the NA gang of casters have been getting a lot
of of kill casts. Yeah, I mean, I can imagine dashing on this
fight stuff is quite scary. Yeah, but when you've done so many
pools, I think they kind of they kind of just know what they're
doing. Yeah, you get the rhythm because 500 pulls 500 pulls of
the boss. The cool thing is when your guild gets to a point
where you're you're predicting the movement of other people
Like you just know this player is always going to be, you know, here on the left, people naturally gravitate.
Unless you have hard assigned locations, people are naturally going to gravitate to certain positions.
Like for some reason, I always like to be on the left hand side of the boss.
I don't know why, I just, I'll idle on the left hand side, so I'll generally try and chill there.
But you get used to other people's movement and who's going to be around you, I think.
I don't know if you find that the race, like if that's very calm in this one.
I was always in range, so like a range DPS I feel like I didn't really have a certain spot that I liked being in or something
Just like stacks, don't you?
Yeah, range is just like get out of medic, there's still be chaos in there, so I was far away always, but
Have you ever played any melee at a high level?
Survival Hunter, I've had to play Lord of the Dread, that was it
That was always a good fight on Survival, I mean I played for the lowest skin, I don't know I think in the world because of that boss
I was literally like, Survival was insane and like I was the only one that had some sort of Hunter ult
er, ways to go, er, without a weapon or nothing, I literally, I think I was using like a weapon
which was like 20 I know was hard and I was slow hunting to that kill.
Yeah.
So yeah, I remember playing slow hunting on Lord of Dredd which was quite an insane melee
fight to never play before and then have to jump in on, but, um, yeah, I think I've
never really played much melee other than that.
Yeah, I remember on Lord of Dredd I was, I was casting for pieces, I was at the
venue and I remember myth, you know myth, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I used a healer.
Pally Healer. I think this was his big thing. But yeah, Healer for Pieces and he like legit
came upstairs to the broadcast and was like, sorry, we need your survival hunter. We need
you. We need your hunter for lots of dread. And I was like, I was like, so like, right?
Get me right now. I'll actually come in. I would have been imagine how sick that
would have been, but also how dreadful where like everyone else knows, like, do
you guys hear Pieces had to get one of their casters to come and do lots of dread?
Yeah, what's going on over there? Yeah, that would have been insane. That would have been the highlight of my life
I mean, I love Pantsville Hunter by then with the bombs and stuff. It was so good. Yeah, it's so good
But you were so IP though, yeah
season one survival in Shadowlands was actually the best I've ever played survival
But season three was cool to just everyone, you know wanting to get involved because survival is the touristy not been super loved
So it was cool. Yeah
What do you think about devoured BH by the way? I think it's such a cool spec
I don't know. It's quite simple to play, I can't, okay, I'm not gonna say too much, I don't really know, 100% but it looks quite simple to play.
It's simple. It's simple, but I think it's all in the, so this is, this, you were talking earlier about the best players being able to predict what's gonna be coming up.
You need to be able to know, like, what is coming.
And now it's just coming.
You've only got a couple of buttons and you can cast consume, which you can cast and move, but your void ray, you cannot interrupt it, because if you interrupt it, like, you're getting max value from it
you from it by completing the cast and then same with your metamorphic, your collapsing
star which is your main ability. If you cancel that partway through the cast you get locked
out of it for like six seconds or something. So it's very punishing if you get it either
silence or you have to move, you have to disrupt it. So it's very simple in button
pressing but the min max, I think the ceiling for that spec is very high and it also
has this incredible ramp time so it probably feels really rough like part of me thinks about how much
planning is going into bloodlust timing with devourers like not using it on pull
because they take so long to ramp I don't know how much value they're even gonna get from the
bloodlust whereas if you use it later in the fight they've they've been able to ramp they can
continue on but there's definitely as well in keys the ability to min max your meta and
collapsing stars in Mythic Plus because you're like how your tank is going to
chain combat I think outside of combat your fury doesn't deplete but yeah there's
a lot of in-match on it but it's really fun to play actually more fun than than I
would have thought with it only being three buttons yeah no it's really cool
but watch the time like the watching him dance but DH just has so much mobility
right so it's so OP yeah but it can be dangerous as well when you like
dashing around and I always feel like DH is such a scary class to play when
you watching someone that's like not I'm tall with that class yeah they get
stuck yeah it's really cool to work with this I like the melee range aspect
it's kind of like the evoker right it's like it's a range but it's not really
in between we have Krush going down here maybe it's at the hate fair like
someone says is having the hate scare this fight maybe yeah maybe yeah it's
um oh what were you sorry what were you just saying about devourer oh the
It's a very range. Yes, like in between both. It's I thought that was going to be really awkward and to be honest when I initially tested on beta
I was very like anti-debat. I was just this is not for me. I don't like it feels weird
I don't know what I'm where I'm supposed to be
But then I had a bit of practice on it and I was like actually this is really fun being able to sort of
Jump in and out, you know, you jump in drop darkness dip out get to rain like it's really quite fun. Actually, I think
Yeah, we have another intermission here. This phase is not going to cause us too many issues.
Don't want to jinx it, but it's pretty rinse therapy. You just do the same kind of three times over.
So they should be pretty clean here, hopefully. I hope you can get through this phase.
Really, it's just protecting your crystal. That's generally where if you are going to die, die alone.
Do not drag the team down and get your crystal hit. So you do need to be very protective of that.
I do wonder how many wipes occur because people are running in to go and grab a crystal and
maybe it doesn't correctly pick up, right?
Like somebody technically grabs their one and I don't know if any of that happens.
But that is potentially something there, yeah.
Yeah, we have a kish up now as well.
I don't think we're gonna, I don't think this is gonna be the pool we had someone
give for such a long period of time.
I'm not sure how much the gear can carry that on.
But I feel like the BPS check was still quite close when we watched our last.
We phased it 53 points. That's kind of what they were phasing I think even on progress though so I'm not sure.
Having a DPS there for that long. We'll see. We're going to be about 54-ish on this 154 point.
Something maybe.
Yeah, this is actually pretty, it's not too bad actually.
It's not. Yeah, not terrible.
Yeah, it's actually still the same even with the DPS there.
So maybe they've just got people comfy back on the fire again.
Yeah, 153 here.
Yeah, 153 is fine.
So this is where the actual little bit of gear is just gonna help out with some of those failures, right?
Like you have a death, but it's not catastrophic where now we're gonna wipe it 1% necessarily. Let's wait and see that we're in p3
The bloodlust will be going semi soon
We're gonna have everyone with some assigned positions here within these lights
We're gonna want to stay within that you can dip it in out of it here in there
But you generally want to stay in there as much as you possibly can and then we're gonna have these sigils the memory mechanic
We're gonna want to dodge this constellation. So we don't want to rush this memory. Yeah, necessarily
Luckily, we had some really good constellation spawns where they just fully behind us
These ones however are exactly on top of us
So this is where people need to be very very aware and I do feel for the healers on this
And then we're just gonna jump into our two groups of five. We're gonna do these soaks
We're gonna dodge the constellations and then we're gonna do this
We're gonna class in on this final soak here. Yeah
So these stars are they just are they always random or is it there must be some sort of I
Feel like there has to be some kind of logic, but I have not compared images pull to pull to pull group to group
I don't I don't know if it's down
Yeah, I'm have no rest
Let's hope they can have any person to feed for that
But I feel like when you have people don't say just makes it hard you have to stand start collapses for long
Yeah, I died with about 10 seconds of bloodlust rolling as well.
So how much of that would have been in cooldowns, but even just dying during bloodlust is a bit rough.
But Boston had 24% HP and then that looks like that was the other team.
Yeah, that's unfortunately me done, but it's been a good stream four hours worth of stream content.
But you're in safe hands with Shakin' and Mighty Teapot coming on now guys.
But yeah, we've had a bit of a spicy stream.
It's been a spicy stream, man!
A lot of big names in the stream, watching in, but yeah, it's been good fun, I've been doing it, but yeah.
I think that's me done, guys, so have a good one, hopefully we can kill this boss before tomorrow, that'd be great.
But yeah, they skipped, by the way, they didn't kill better in the stream, they extended and went straight to Kira.
Yeah, I think that's me done, I guess you have a game that's coming in now to pass for Cyber.
Yeah, bang, it's been really fun, it's been really great getting your insight, and yeah, it's been great to have you on.
been great to have you on sir and like yeah just been casting with you so appreciate it maybe see
you next time see you guys soon
I think production's gonna do a little swap there we go there's we got a couple faces we
got to squeeze in now on the desk so might take a second but mighty teapot you're there
you're looking mighty fine today that's good afternoon good afternoon like this nothing
anything going on so far? I see the best hasn't moved anywhere. What's everyone doing?
What's everyone doing? We got a little bit caught up on Illyria. I think a few of the players were
just brushing up on their law. They got confused. They thought they had to go deal with her still.
She's the penultimate boss if you didn't know that. So I think that's what they were doing
there. But yeah, they're on Illyria now. Laura, sorry. Even I'm getting confused now.
They're on Lerner. They probably had about maybe six or seven poles, something like that.
Sub 10 I would say, and roughly if I've been keeping track.
And we've got a couple good P3s, but we are getting some problems there.
Our item level has bumped up a nice little bit, and I see you shaking your in as well.
Good morning. Good afternoon.
Hello, hello, hello. Yeah, I'm here.
I really thought I level would increase more, but I guess they had a little bit lower than
than the other games last week.
Yeah, I think it was it wasn't around 278.5.
So I think it's two eye level increase.
Approximately, I want to say compared
to what we were pulling out, which is obviously that,
you know, that's going to give you a couple of extra percentage
points of that damage output.
And of course, the DPS of the healing through but as well.
That should give us enough.
Because again, this boss was killed at 279 for a liquid
and 279.3 for Echo.
So we have a little bit of that edge over the other guilds.
I've already cleared it so far.
So should be enough.
If we can just start making it to that phase four, practicing that.
And look, we don't need a couple of attempts.
It only needs to be maybe five tries in phase four,
and we could be finding ourselves a kill.
Yeah, I'm really wanting to see Method do some people.
Because I'm, you know, see, I'm like,
watch the teams do a little bit of it, but I'm saving all the juice here.
I want to see method develop, like I say develop the strat, obviously they're going to be following suit of what other teams have done, but I just want to see them develop, like develop it within the team, like getting the call coordination correct and getting the movement correct and stuff.
It would just be cool to see how they do, like, do we think gentlemen that they will jump in and, you know, 50% wipe in P4, actually just one shot it, is that, is that feasible here? What do you think is going to go on?
be so sure yeah it's possible I'd expect a white I'd expect to get to I think 50%
is a decent estimate you know I think we can get to there on our first try maybe
even lower right I get CBO because again we have a lot of preparation for this
getting it exactly right with everyone alive first try I mean look obviously
methods can do it I'm not saying they can't do it but that is gonna be a
really big challenge I think yeah I would probably agree I am just seeing a
a star clipped entire raid and you're like alright and then you're yelling it's
okay yeah I saw that happen I wonder how much like I mean p4 to me looks like a
team building exercise that you would get at like you know your company or like
your school or whatever like a field trip like everyone's got a coordinate
together to make sure that you know we're all stacked up we're all moving
as a cohesive unit don't battle us and forget about them leaving behind keep
moving. You know, it's it looks quite fun to do, but those spikes seem to be a problem where if
people don't either realize they've got it, or they moved the wrong one at the wrong time,
it's deadly. But it does look like a mechanic which you could kind of artificially practice if
you had the time where you could like, pretend call out and people could pretend position and
stuff like that. So it does look like something that's sort of practicable in a way. Yeah.
The thing is you you compared it to like a build a team-building exercise at a company or something
I feel like this would be a team-building exercise at a company if you're allowed to like fire three people instantly
It's one of those mechanics it goes pretty fast the group has to move and you have to move like around the group as well
And if you hit the group everyone gets mad at you
But it's not often that you get the mechanic
So it could be that you're one of the lucky ones like who's a liquid I kill I think
killed the boss in like five pulls in p4 and
Some player might have gotten the mechanic like very few times and then some other player clips the raid and they're like
I can't believe this guy is screwing us up all the time, you know. Yeah. Yeah the one time. I got it
I managed
and
While we're kind of on this little break before we go into the next poll
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all of these shout outs, like, you know,
side-heat kill him once in a while.
Okay, let me see, let me see,
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I'm gonna go for Rusted XP.
Rusted XP, if you don't have your characters
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I still have like 10 characters I've gotta keep leveling,
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I mean, I could go for it, usually not my time of day, but I could go for it.
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They played it throughout the years and stuff as well.
So they they they are aware of the wild community.
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So they want people to come and check out the alpha,
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So that's pretty, pretty cool as well.
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Like, I mean, to all our sponsors, right?
Like they help.
That's usually what I like to reiterate every time
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Yeah.
Absolutely. And fellas, I might do a quick AFK of two minutes myself if you guys want to just chat amongst yourselves and talk through this nice little poll that we got going on.
No. No breaks for a laugh.
Nope.
Okay.
You're gonna leave.
Of course.
Of course.
He's not to leave, but we're gonna be timing it.
Okay.
I'm slow man. Okay. I'm gonna have to keep this a little bit locked down and make sure you know it not
Breaking the rules. Okay with your mandated
Break time that it is allowed. Okay by the rules that we're just kind of making up now. He's already gone
It looks like we have been obviously did some mythic a little bit of reclaimed a little bit of gear early on today
And it looks like we are kind of just getting into the swing of things again after that reset
Haven't seen any, you know, big progress
But of course once we do start to actually get there consistently that I saw I was gonna pay off
Right like we're gonna be getting the boss lower and lower and lower
Especially because of course, I think you know, um, we did have
Some lower gear players that are really gonna benefit from getting in there and reclaim those mythic bosses
They get as many items as possible and well hopefully whenever we get low
It's gonna be very very low next time and hopefully even a phase four like the DPS check should I think?
Theoretically not pose too much of a problem for us at this stage like with this extra eye level and of course, you know
Volts various good items
I'm sure we were able to locate that and get us a little bit more player power
But what to say you know like we would love to see a kill today
We absolutely would like the team can absolutely do it
But you never know right like we did see like toward the end like for the two kills that we've seen so far
Just getting that consistency was a really major challenge, right?
It was it took a long time like you know it the the p4 pulls were few and far between
Right, so we certainly have to keep that consistency going
And I think we should get to that point pretty quickly because I do feel like method was very consistent actually
And kind of getting to phase three and playing out a lot of phase three kind of struggling on the final part of phase three
Unsurprisingly because obviously it is the hardest part right when you only have one of the little
Lights to keep you safe there while you're handling those mechanics, but I really want to see that
I want to see some of these deep p3 balls
I want to see that secret phase and well
We've got an opportunity coming right up here as of course we are now coming towards the end of phase two
It's got to tidy up a couple more of these mechanics and we're gonna be having one of those phase three attempts
We are really looking forward looking forward to to push into the secret phase
The thing I'm very happy about is that
method got low pulse yesterday because basically this good eye level it the
If they wouldn't have gotten to like where they start min maxing damage yesterday
You would just start playing a little bit more safe. And now the safety is what you're trading for like the
faster push basically. But because we started in min-max and we got these low
pulls already yesterday with way lower gear, today we can actually feel that
gear a lot more and so then the players will feel oh we can save a lot more
here and still get through it. But the consistent support is obviously what
is the most important always. Yeah absolutely that's very good. Yeah that's
good the the boss HP is actually looking really good here by the way
Like we can see all of that optimization and extra gear really paying off here again
Like the I think the really key number that we need to keep an eye on it is that when we get to that final segment like right at the end
We want the boss to be I think are
17% or lower is that what we need to feel you know, which we're chilling like we're feeling comfortable making that DPS check
Assuming that nobody else that nobody dies of course as we go into that place
Let's see what this damage is going to be looking like here
We do have everyone alive. Of course at this point you've got to solve these soaks and of course the memory game
And there is a little bit of variance here as well
Of course like the constellations can be so mean sometimes like especially
Yeah, yeah, and it can't it definitely is a bit of a mind bender as you try to figure out
Okay, where is the same other side? Where can I get standing here? It's the eye. It's certainly not an easy thing
Oh, that is gonna be a death unfortunately
Yeah, it's like, I don't know why they made it, but basically the group soak everyone has to stand in has an orb on top of it, and that takes visual like priority over the constellation things on the ground until the constellation goes and becomes active.
So you could be standing in a soak
No idea that there's a constellation right under the soak you're standing like the little ball above the soak and then
Instantly becomes active you see the void or pop up and you die. I don't know why that one would not like fall behind
Visually like why the constellation does not take visual priority over the soak
Yeah, but it's a pretty intense phase visually as well, right?
This is a lot going on a lot of crazy effects popping off again
You've got the memory games
You've got the symbols that are potentially over people's heads
Then you've got all the orbs and the constellations appearing and you don't have a lot of time
I like you really don't have a lot of time in order, you know before you can kind of
Zip into your little safe spot and of course you you do have
That time pressure as well, right?
Like you don't have infinite time to resolve those mechanics if you don't resolve those mechanics the group is just going to instantaneously wipe
So and this leads to you
Kind of having to move and make some risky plays particularly if the constellations are a little bit scarier a little bit less
Kind to you and how they end up manifesting so it's yeah
It's a new thing situation like very very hard phase like especially when you get to that very confined
location and towards the end because again every every time you have that big
dark archangel cast you're losing one of your lights so at the start you're you
know I wouldn't say it's relaxing but you know you're nice and open right like
you can be spread out really well that means you can navigate and bonk into
the appropriate memory game super you know relatively easily but every single
time you get more confined more difficult and of course easier to
collide in the wrong direction or simply brush into a consolation and die.
That is how it works.
Someone's saying about the Chinese skills doing well.
I mean the Chinese skills have been doing well.
Not gonna lie.
Extremely well.
They're still quite a bit behind.
Just being that guy they're still quite a bit behind.
But I mean they are doing really well this tier.
Considering that they also have like the reset one day later and stuff.
later and stuff. Even longer yeah they have an even longer time before they can pop into the uh the
gaming uh as well which is kind of interesting but yeah absolutely they are absolutely popping off
and it's been really great to actually see um that additional competition uh coming in like
you know I think that the Chinese things are just gonna say that improving like very rapidly
and yeah I just love to see that but like we have more competition at the top than I think
we've had pretty much ever right which is just amazing to see like I cannot wait to see this
to continue to develop over the coming tiers and over the coming expansions of World of Warcraft.
It's yeah, it is exactly what we want to see like certainly as a as an esports fan a race to worlds
first fan yeah the more teams are performing at this top level the better. I fully agree you know
people in chat are like oh you know wouldn't it uh sorry chat I'm not trying to call you call
you out for them out totally fine to say no it's totally fine Billy what the heck uh but
people in chat can be like, oh, wouldn't it be embarrassing if if if method lose to like Chinese
Guild and stuff? And I'm like, I mean, whatever, maybe, maybe not. I don't really care because
what that shows me is that there's more competition. And that is good. That's what we like.
Remember when we had pieces and BDG and Echo and Liquid and it just feels so much
Which, from a viewer perspective as well, so much more involved, instead of having like
two or three teams up on your monitor, you've got four or five teams up on your monitor,
and you're keeping track of things, and it's really cool as well.
Just with the regional, I mean, I want global release obviously, like I do personally want
that, but, and it's obviously China also always going to be a little bit behind because
of the Thursday reset.
it's cool to see the regional differences like right now we have oh and is
gonna go to bed and then if they go to bed you's gonna kill it in the morning
so and they can't go to bed and then you go to bed and there's oh and a is
waking up and there's this like this rush that you're getting throughout the
day imagine then we also have China in the mix and we and we have to worry
about them and we have to worry about that for us like I want that I pray
for that it would be sick. Wow. It's a religious experience. They have an additional team in the
rest. Yes, I'm praying. Yeah. They obviously have this like growing price pool for the next
Chinese world first or something. I saw some of the spiciness this morning. You know, I saw it.
I'm not laughing.
Wait, actually, something happened on this because I joined the cast
and immediately I knew it was a spicy morning.
Like, what?
We had every guild raid leader in the chat
and we were chatting through some stuff.
It was just a little bit exotic today.
It was a little bit spicy, but it was fun.
It was a good time.
Like, I enjoyed it.
It was just, yeah, it was kind of cool.
We had a lot of activity.
I would say, like, obviously, it's not only within gaming,
But there is like a divide obviously between like the West and you know the the Eastern world in in gaming as well
Obviously, we don't speak like they don't always speak Chinese English and we obviously don't speak Chinese and stuff
If there's anyone that has like the claim to calling for a global release
It's the Chinese players because I'm said there is almost impossible that they would ever win like
We're talking about a couple of hours between like and then
That's like that's a hot topic and the yeah the Chinese players like basically every single player in that region in
Every single fear that has ever been
They are only copying strats right except for people are reminiscent of the
Stars killing job zero first in Ulduar, but other than that
I'm pretty sure that every single Chinese player even in like when they play for top ten. They're basically a
a day raiding Fatshark yes you know like they just watch what the top kills do and they copy
and they will never have a chance to even like develop their own stress
because they are so far behind when it starts and they just need to copy to catch up to have a chance
at the end yeah I mean it's very very very hard for them. So was that the topic of conversation
when like all the raid leaders were here were they talking about the release? Well we talked
about a couple things yeah we did speak a little bit so Max joined for a little bit and
and their skull was here chilling.
I mean, Kane has been in, Tiber has been in.
Like we had some lore doc was in,
just like some people chatting.
But what was funny, it's just me and Beng is
talking about Glover release when Max came in.
So it's just, it was like a funny time.
I'm mostly super interested because like,
you know, I always see people arguing about it
in Twitch chat on Reddit.
But to be honest, like the only opinions
that I'm really gonna take seriously on this topic
are the players, right?
Like who are actually playing in this race.
Like what was the takeaway?
I don't want to speak for him, I don't want to put words in his mouth, because he can do that, but from my understanding of his viewpoints,
so Liquid messed up their splits from what I understand, they messed up their, I don't know if they put gear on the wrong people,
if they misread a comp or something, or if they just were slow, I don't know what it is, but something was wrong with their splits.
They had to take an extra day to fix it, and so that actually, if you remember Echo were pulling,
I don't know if they were pulling Beloran, it was Beloran that they would pull Beloran
because Wednesday morning, right, they were in on Beloran pretty quick and we, we weren't
obviously you're anticipating that you're going to do whatever NA did.
So when NA did splits, we would have assumed like you would do splits, but Echo went into
Beloran quite quickly.
So in theory from what Max is saying, they were like 15 hours behind or something roughly.
So they were technically behind even though it was artificial this time and Max I believe
just said that it's given him perspective on that head start of how much value there
actually is in that.
To be honest I think the overall takeaway I mean in my opinion I don't think the global
release impacted this race too much.
I think Echo could have killed and probably should have killed they were in a position
to do so.
I think they probably should but yeah, I think Max was just like he's got some opinions now on
That and and how much he thinks it influences it. I don't know what his overall takeaway is
I'm sure he'll do some content on that
But that was basically the topic of conversation for a little bit if that feels yeah, oh
Yeah, does that was pretty spicy wait, and we're like all the raid leaders here as well like where they was right here as well
Well, I don't know, maybe Scroke was, you know, luck and I don't know, it was, it was,
Max was here, Scro was here, so I just meamed about all the Raid Leaders being here.
Yeah, I was like, well, I mean, that's crazy, you've got to get them on the call right
for that.
I know, it would have been cool.
Let's go.
It would have been cool.
Yeah, I mean, it would be cool to pick apart any Raid Leaders view from this Raid tier,
like, you know, just to speak to anybody to hear anything would be great.
And obviously it would be cool to hear from Beth and stuff when the steer is over.
But yeah it was very cool to listen to and interact with and there was something on that
that I wanted to comment on.
I think just the fact that the Chinese guilds are so far behind.
But yeah there was a strat development.
So Shaking you mentioned about their ability to develop strats.
I for the longest time have worried about guilds ability to develop strategies when
they are behind and they never get the chance to practice that.
But I think you can get access to that in other avenues, and you can practice that skill, that strategy development in potentially other games, and then apply that to World of Warcraft, I think.
So, it would still be really cool to see, you know, the funny thing is that a lot of people copy builds from Chinese players when it comes to Mythic Class, or rebuilds.
So, in terms of their actual strategy when it comes to their specs, they seem to have the source, you know?
I mean, that's one thing Chinese player likes to do, is do damage.
I remember every single patch I ever played, at the time, logs were just filled with Chinese people, stacking PIs on every buff they could on one guy in the raid to be ranked 1 on every class on every boss.
They were just going mental in that regard.
Obviously like personal play, they can just grow and be as good as any player in any other part of the world.
But one thing people almost forget, and even to me this like escapes me at times.
But Scrike is obviously the raid leader for Echo, and he came up through a guild called Rapid Eye Movement.
And this was like, I don't know if he even raided Mott, but this is at least like what when he
like warlords trainers when the rapid eye movement merged with
method because all players from method left and created serenity. And back then the race wasn't
streamed right? So if you were a top 10 guild, you developed your own strats for majority of
the raid. Maybe the end boss you could copy a strat because there was like this
handshake rule people had back then that until the top five guilds or something
had killed the boss or top three guild had killed the boss you don't release the
kill video so that everyone actually developed their own strats and same
for max and and limit right when they were only like a top 10 guild in Legion
the stream wasn't the race wasn't streamed so they also learned developing
developing strats like figuring out how to do all of these things and but now
everything is streamed so we even see like method this week they see liquid
going with double mistweaver and there is like no conceivable like I will never
trust a single person from the method camp that said that they predicted
going in with double mistweaver in week one of mythic there's just no
way because they like panic gear those characters basically and so if the race wasn't streamed
they would have to figure that up on their own and that would develop a skill that could then
because it's not only strats on a boss i think what you learn from ptr is strats on a boss that's
method can practice but figuring out the comp that is going to be played on all of these bosses
and which people to gear on the splits and everything like that,
it's very hard to do when you're always behind, and obviously China is even further behind,
so it's near impossible for them to develop this skill, I think.
Yeah, that's really, you know, shaking, I was saying before you came on,
it's you rant bro, it's lovely to hear your input there, yeah, that's really interesting
to think about as well, yeah it is not, it's not just the strats, it's the composition,
And that is like a being like a maestro conducting an orchestra, right?
You need all of the instruments in their place coming in at the right time.
You need the right amount of each instrument.
Yeah.
And having sort of the ear for that or the eye for that with raining is very important.
You need to delegate and have the right people in their positions.
One thing I was interested in while you were saying that, and I don't know,
T-Pot, if you've got some things that you want to jump in on that as well,
please do, but I'm just interested to check in like knowing the history,
Because when there was that split between like method and then echo formed and Skype stepped into this role as like Raidleader, I didn't, I'm gonna say I was ignorant there, I didn't actually know, like, it seemed like Skype just jumped into this Raidleader position and then it was just, it's like he'd been doing it always.
Like, and then Biff and I wonder like, has Biff been a Raidleader for 10 years or is this new for him and I just wonder about the Raidleading for the guilds.
So basically just to go over both the splits because obviously method has had their couple splits throughout the years
But yeah, I just have into the guilds where they form late. Yeah, yeah
so in what a lot of the guild left to another guild they created serenity and
Skull obviously wanted to keep a method going
So he contacted the rapid eye movement and basically said we're merging but you guys are being consumed by method
But that's where all of these players that a lot of people know came from, Deep Shades,
Narcoleys, most of the stable old Ekko roster now, they were Rapid Eye Movement and Scribe
was Raid leading that already back in Forlust and Draenor.
Then he raid led Method throughout Legion and BFA.
And then when the split happened between Echo and Method basically then just all Method
players just went and became Echo.
And then Method consumed another guild called Altrek Deviants and they were like a top
20 guild and Biff was raid leading that as well.
Ah, so that's what Biff comes in, okay.
So I don't know if Biff was raid leading like a top 20, top 10 guild before the race was
streamed, but if it was after race is streamed, let's say he started raid leading in BFA or
at least they started pushing higher rank in BFA, then that's post race being streamed
always.
Yeah.
So that skill of like figuring out bosses from PTR and manifesting that in the actual
game when the patch comes out and fighting for like a top 10 top 20 guild spot is something
no raid leader today will ever like learn in that regard.
So most raid leaders today if there was to be I don't know another split of a guild
or something or someone was stepping down as a raid leader and they had to pick someone
up I'm pretty sure that person has to be an internal guy from the race now because
it's so different raid leading a top 20 now than a race to world first it's just not the same at all
the skillset you need is completely different yeah yeah definitely keep what was there anything you
want to jump in on that because i was going to jump back in on that but i don't want to
honk the mic if there was anything that you wanted there no no i think honestly that
that says all i was just really just listening to the history right because i hadn't really been
here for all of it. So I think it's really cool to have that insight, right? The stories
of where all these legendary players kind of got their start in the game. So no, no,
I think, no, I keep going. It is super interesting. I love this stuff like this. This is really
interesting to me. I love it. We have a good pull though. We can go back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
We don't want to get into P4 and we're like, Oh, we're trying to out that. But
yeah, we're getting a really, really good pull. So we've got everyone alive from what
But I can see on these horrible frames, then we've got to deal with a couple more of these
constellations in these sigil soaks and then bosses look in low.
We should hopefully just meet the damage check.
What would the added item level, the guardian druid damage as well that's going to be coming
in that slight slight optimizations that make all the difference now.
So we've got these constellations.
We want to avoid those.
We want to deal with these sigils.
Everyone's going to want to be spread a little bit here as these come in.
And then we need to go in the order prescribed by the boss, very good hold there from the
players to wait before the constellation leaves before they consume those sigils.
Now that's a great constellation.
Look at that.
That was beautiful.
Natty Dodge.
They're going to look to gateway this one.
Bosses are very low, this is looking very good.
Everyone's still up and running.
We did have issues with that gateway previously but they like last 100 pulls it's been
clean so you can just see the progression that occurs and sticks.
spread around in these light circles now. The teams are close enough together but
they're still in these different phases so there'll be no help should a healer die.
But there we go one by one these sigils are gonna go. Nice adjustment there
they're probably communicating who stays who moves. That was really really nice
they handled and now another set of constellations here. Boss is a very very
low chat we've got to do one last soak here on this side on team one. Team two
is gonna have to deal with those sigils and we are going to see a
phase. I'm going to call it now. This is not a curse. One set of constellations. The boss is
mighty low. 3% has to jump to the middle yet. This has to happen. This has to occur. The constellations
know we're in the picture and we're going to get a P for phase. We bought ages on the board
everyone alive. Now the question chat is how deep into P for can we see this is methods
first P four. Well, I'm 40%.
Call 40%. Let's just kill it.
Come on. How much of a practice
is how surely they've got a good
idea here? Let's see how deep we
can go. We've been talking about
the history of method on this broadcast.
Let's talk about the future, the future of this
people poll. We're going to get these spikes that people
need to move out with accordingly.
Right South. They look at it.
We've got to have tanks run into
those shots to deal with those. I think some
people are calling them dogs.
We're going to dodge this being we've got to run, run, run, run, run, this is Chris.
This is Chris, this is glorious.
And now we're going to have a sea of Shaw and somebody is going to use their action button,
their extra action button.
There we go.
To the left, to the right, to the south.
I think Rainey goes down, Incy goes down, but with 50% on the boss in our first
P4 attempt chat, we are chilling, running, running, running with this beam.
We don't, we're not going to be able to rest those two players because we're
too far away now.
escaped them. Off to the left there, but a shaw would just appear out of what seemed like nowhere for
then. And we're going to get a few more deaths, but we're still going. We're going to jump to play
a comms. Okay. Yeah, okay. Okay, sure. Yeah, sure.
A good thing to look for is this like, I mean, you see the ornament things on the floor,
All right
This is your pick this is your tough on this line
Don't take the break it don't take long to get no. Oh, yeah, let's go
Yeah, so it seems like the only thing that went wrong there is a little bit too close making it harder to dodge the thingies
I guess right um, so they just need to refine that tidy up those and that is a dead boss
That was a 26.7% P4.
Look, this is very exciting because we are now in the position where every poll can officially be the poll, in my opinion.
That was a very, very good start there for Method.
First ever P4, I love the position they had on the initial set of spikes.
They very clearly had a very robust plan for that and they stuck to it.
right like cool heads in the moment just get it done of course things did go a
little bit wrong there and again I think the the issue that they were calling
out was they were perhaps a little bit too close to the middle so the tank needs
to be a little bit further away from the boss to make it easier to dodge all of
those dogs or fiends or whatever we want to call them but outside of that
that was a massive push from method and I think honestly we just see that
again and we kill it right I've almost got to think it I think so too
Yeah, I mean they're gonna go in there some people probably been gonna be like better movement around their cooldowns a little bit more damage
But what really is important right there staying alive because I think about two-thirds of the damage being done to the boss in that phase
It's just from staying alive the entire face, so I
Think if we just fix a little bit of movement the blazes seem to be pretty good
Maybe we clipped a person here, but it wasn't like super crazy. So yeah one more good pull and it could definitely die
Yeah, you know, it's crazy though. We're on the cast of death skin. I was getting I was getting pumped
You know calling a bit of that getting excited you guys again and and then we jump to play it comes and they're just like
Yeah, we just want to move a little bit different this time and like they're just calm. They're like, you know, they're just
I think you have to be I feel like especially in a phase like that where
It's not necessarily hard, but you have to be 100% locked in because, you know, as Shakin was saying, the biggest thing is just don't die, right?
Like, if you survive, the boss does your rotation for you, right?
Like, you know what I mean? Like, it just, it will slowly burn down over time.
So you've just got to stay locked in. You have to be positioned correctly.
You have to be with the group. You have to be in the moment dodging the things, right?
Or using an immunity to soak them to help out the team or whatever that you're supposed to be doing at that point.
supposed to be doing at that point. It is just one of those key moments that you cannot
mentally relax. I think it's such a big mistake, right? Like, if, you know, you know, you don't
want to do your kind of like nerd scream celebration too soon, right? Like that's, that's, that's
not what you want to be, I think. Yeah, this isn't P3. You don't want to start celebrating
it. Yeah, it's, uh, it's cool. I think this is going to be such a sit like it's
such a secret phase. In the grand scheme, is it the most difficult thing in the world? No.
Is it a bit of a, I don't want to say it's a bit of a victory lap, but it sort of has
that feel, you know what I mean? It feels just difficult enough, just exciting enough, and
the beam that's following them, they've got to keep running around. They can't rest
people if they fall too far behind. I think it's kind of perfect. I think it's
like the perfect end to an excellent an excellent end boss I think yeah a grueling set of mechanics
and at the end you just have this desperate last stand right like you have to be within
this tiny circle shielded from the midnight eternal and then the oh yeah I actually
love the fact that it's not even really you that kills the boss it's the power of the
light itself coursing through the entire raid towards the end of that encounter and
like you know you have to stand as one like you must all stay alive it needs
every player to be very good probably have one of you but you know it needs every
player to be alive until the end to defeat the dark Nauru. Yeah I mean they
but to think of it that way right like because just staying alive does more
damage than even the most DPS player can do in that phase at least that's
what we saw in the log from the other guilds that means for every player
that's dead. Everyone else has to do 5% more damage, right? Like, yeah, it's it's like,
it's it's it scales quite crazy, doesn't it? Yeah, two people dead. Everyone has to do 10%
more damage than they're already putting out in the thing. And I guess really the most important
stuff. Yeah. And again, I do really like that it is that such a high movement phase that
there are a couple of moments when you could combat rest right when you have that static
you have to do the blazes on
the run. That would be, I think,
hilariously brutal if they did
that. But of course they do show a little mercy.
You know, the boss does allow you to stand still
while you're handling those kind of blaze
style, Kai Bezos style mechanics or
whatever we want to call them.
Then you can maybe grab someone there, but once you're
moving, look, the giant death beam
is going to make sure that you cannot
go back. Like, you must
stay alive. Everyone needs to survive.
Otherwise, you just aren't going to have the
up a chance you to bring people back yeah but as far as difficult to go I'm
I agree with both of you that like it feels a little bit like a victory lap
it's not that hard for face I think that's the way to go if you're putting a
secret phase of the mythic boss at the end right if you do like let's say
Argus or something basically the mythic phase was half of the boss fight
then you can ramp up the difficulty however much you want but when it's at
end I feel like it cannot be as difficult as most of the other parts of the boss fight.
Imagine if it was, imagine you get to phase four and it's like as hard as phase one.
Yeah that would be that would be so crazy right? Yeah that would be look that would be the thousand
puller that would be the thousand puller that we want. We want two. Just double the pull count
of every guild right now what are you saying? Oh my goodness. Would that not be happy?
But surely, are you seriously going to tell me, with a straight face, that you wouldn't want to see the full N-boss of the World Soul Saga at the end of the last Titan be like 1k pulls? Would that be kind of epic?
I don't like I don't know I always I always have to split my opinion based on race the world first and then I have to like I have to take off my after sever I have to sever so I'm like my race old first opinions and then I sever those and I go back to my regular gaming opinions and they differ a thousand poles
lock in. If the fight is exciting, yeah, if the fight is constantly interesting to watch, then yes, but if the first eight minutes of the fight is a snoozefest, but the thousand puller is just because the last phase is crazy, then no, I need the fight to be exciting from the moment it begins, then I will take a thousand
That's my that's my condition. I think for a thousand pool boss to be like even for the race very interesting for me at least like
it would have to be
where
Faces are almost like checkpoints, and it's
Extremely difficult right because one one problem that happens is
We've had this in the race where they get to a boss, and it's just not tuned proper
day and it's literally impossible and it just becomes like as a viewer as a
caster and as a player you're almost like what are we doing here like we're
just bashing our heads against this wall we know we can't defeat and that like
almost loses a little bit of what's called like that like momentum or they
excitement you know yeah but me me and the teapot we were talking about it when
we were on P1 we were talking about like what if intermission is this hard what
if P2 is this hard that then we see that one cable no problem but then
obviously we said that like intermission is solved it's rough but
it's solved so you can get through it consistently P2 it's not that rough and
it's also solved you can get through it so it's basically like you have
P1 insanely difficult then you have intermission P2 a little bit of a low and then you go into P3
they're a little bit excitement it's higher stakes and now P4 we go down again but it's the
excitement of D phase of it being a secret phase yeah I love the component of the secret phase
sort of victory lap as well the excitement there that was my like that was my first time
getting to cast P4 and I mean it's cool it's really fun it's I mean people started
drop it off left right and you just you know your eyes are scanning around trying to dodge
the shards or the dogs as people call them and it's pretty cool but they handled it well like I
was watching that first set of spikes and they had it sorted you know people went it was left
right and then it was bottom bottom left kind of and it seemed to be that's like the rhythm that
they're doing each time so they have that assignment which I think is similar to what the other
other guilds are doing as well so again you can kind of take some of what they were able
to establish there and that's probably as well helps how we're able to see such a massively
low boss health percentage. I mean 26% not going to just be dead on that pull guys, not
going to just be a P1 or a first time in P4 kill. 26% is sick, yeah that's awesome.
100% yeah that could have been a very, very, very close call there. We did have those
couple of deaths again. I'm not exactly sure what they were. It was hard to tell exactly
in the moment. It could have been falling behind, could have been just getting clipped by one of
those blazes. The shower I think might, yeah, might get yelled at the blaze, maybe, yeah.
If you just, if you have those three people alive, the boss HP is so much lower, right?
Like, of course, it did start to crumble towards the end as well. A little bit, but yeah,
that was a crazy, crazy poll. And you know, we heard the call, don't send the break,
don't send the break. I think they wanted to quickly talk about some things and kind of
to sort that out like come up with a plan like fix the movement then go and
break and look I don't want to I don't want to summon the cast of curse but you
know what I'm gonna say the cast of curse it's not a real thing cast of curse
doesn't exist okay it can't hurt the raid it can't hurt you I think they're
gonna come back and just smash this they're gonna smash this boss into a
million tiny little pieces and then they get to watch the cutscene the
Xaltath cutscene and that was a true reward.
Yeah.
That's what they're all here for.
They're just big lore buffs, and that's what they're after is seeing that cinematic.
I don't think any of them have watched it.
They're saving it for Mythic now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What I could do when any spoilers, like, yeah, it's, it's crazy, though, how much
the I'm saying a little piece of gear, but like the two eye level,
they gained how much damage that actually gave them.
That's insane.
Yeah, it just allowed them to get into P4 right like that yesterday would have probably been a 2% like right now the difference is they get into P4.
And then because they get into P4 with everyone alive they just smash it out so yeah the extra I'm level makes a massive difference and it's it's why it would have been really awesome to have seen a P4 yesterday pre item level to just have seen what would they have been able to do on that first P4.
that first p4 and stuff and and how that would have looked but to be honest you know it is what it is
I think I think it's still cool to see them go into p4 and smash out a lot of the the health
and like we say as long as you're living in that phase a lot of the time the boss is just
kind of taking its own health down so yeah good to see yeah good so we're in a lunch break
yeah you know it's true um if you wanted to yap about you know history or if you had any
because you're jumping up to the side, you know?
Yeah, I've got about 10 minutes and from the looks of it, today will be my final cast
because I think this boss is going to die within the next, well, whenever they come back
from the last break, within a couple hours of that, maybe an hour, maybe one pull.
So it probably dies today, so this will probably be my last cast.
So yeah, you got 10 minutes of more race history would be cool.
It was nice learning about the race to the first like 21st men, the
the shock callers, the raid leaders, and hearing about how some of that formed, so yeah, that
was interesting.
Yeah, I just don't, I understand how, I don't remember where we left off, that's what I'm
trying to say, but I just think like, as a skill, and this is what I said yesterday
on Kansas as well, and obviously I'm from a complete outside perspective now, and
I have zero insight into how it works in any of these guilds, but I know from like just
watching and seeing how Liquid has taken players and grown their roster.
If you were to do this, if you could go back in hindsight, I think every single person
you recruit you let them play the spec that they are most comfortable on, yeah, with
the understanding that if you're the third, the fourth of a specific class, that's
fine but like you just need to be in your comfort zone coming into us because
already jumping from a world fifth world six guild is like a huge jump into
being in the race you need to be very comfortable it's like a such a hard thing
if you are coming in let's say you're a boomkin man and they're like yeah but
boomkins not that good and we already have two amazing main boomkins we're
gonna put you on a voker and then now you're like swapping setting swapping
class everything it's very hard to get into the race as well in that regard and
for a raid leader and finding a raid leader it's not like a football coach
you know in football you you have people that are coaching little kids and then
they get better they get older and older players eventually they coach
like a local team they're a good coach so they get picked up by like a bigger
High school team or a college team or something college. Yeah college football is crazy. They yeah, that's big
Yeah, I get me saying you don't have that here right like in wow if you're a raid leader you're copying straps
And if you're gonna be in the race you can no longer do that. So how do you find a raid leader for like a race guild?
But how do you develop that? Can I ask you that?
T-Pot so
Guild Wars raiding how does that compare like other top-end raid leaders in that are you developing skills?
in Guild Wars for raiding? It's funny, I think that every game kind of looks at wow in a weird way
because guess what happened when World of Warcraft and the Racer Worlds first started moving towards
external raid lead, they'll start doing it in Guild Wars as well. Because of course there's a lot
of crosshair, right? In particular with Guild Wars and Final Fantasy, a lot of people play
the game. It's not like a
main focus of the game that
makes sense. Like, oh, this is
like super cool. Let's go big
boss, right? So it's not not
really quite the same, I would
say as certainly not as well.
Like, wow, obviously, like a
very, like probably the most
different game in the world.
I mean, it's not like a
main focus of the game that
makes sense. Like, oh, this
like a very, like probably the most developed PDE scene by far
out of any of the MMOs for sure.
But yeah, definitely, it's weird.
I actually feel like a lot of my skills in Guild Wars II
transfer over.
Like it's one of the things I actually didn't expect
because I knew the games were pretty different, right?
Mechanically, right?
Like just the way the combat systems work
is obviously pretty different.
But actually, look, I'm gonna say it.
You press and buttons and you don't stand in the circles
and the cones and you do go in the soaks, right?
Like there's nothing new under the sun guys, right?
Like, so I do think a lot of that did transfer over
to be honest, like between the two games.
And honestly, I also feel the other way around
because I'm still playing Guild Wars as well.
I actually think that playing WoW and Raiding Mythic
made me much better at doing Guild Wars Raids as well.
Yeah, because the difficulty is higher
in War the Warcraft just in general.
Like it's, the bosses are very challenging.
Yeah, like learning how to approach progression how to kind of not not necessarily like solving stuff because obviously let's be real
Like we're all using the top strats and wow, but how to fix like the micro problems like oh, okay
Why did we die here? What do we need to change? Like what did we do wrong?
Let the kind of problem-solving element. I think was really useful
Translating that back into
Gil war sea raids when like a new boss
Came out like you know, it's really interesting actually
In particular, there was a recent boss that came out, and this is an interesting moment.
A lot of the community complained that they thought the boss was very random.
It's like mechanic assignment?
Mechanically, yeah. You know what the really interesting thing is? It was very much like a
wow boss. So it had an element of randomness to it kind of, but it was wow style. So you
have a set of decisions that you can make
that mitigate that randomness, right?
Like, wow style, right?
And what's really interesting is that the community
actually really struggled with that
because that's not how Guild Wars two bosses are.
I'd say they're more like Final Fantasy.
So more of like the dance style.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Very deterministic, right?
It's how Guild Wars two bosses usually are.
And this one was much more wow style.
And it's funny actually, me and my team
actually ended up killing it first.
Yeah, we do all the world's first guys.
Whoa!
There you go, was two.
They put in the mighty in the T5, huh?
And I actually do give a lot of credit
to my WoW experience there, because I saw,
oh yeah, this is this, we can harder sign it like this,
we can have this priority, and it's not random anymore.
There's no RNG at all.
It was completely mitigatable.
And we were able to basically find the strategy
that made the boss much more approachable
than other players did.
I asked that question, T-POP.
Oh yeah, yeah, please go ahead.
it was leading to you being such an alpha of a gamer, but you're welcome for the alley.
Yeah, you know, it's funny. I find the exact same thing with having played Final Fantasy
is it's maybe a better wow player and then I play wow and it makes me a better Final
Fantasy player and the two just complement each other very, very well. And it's funny
that you say that about the community, like not being used to something mechanics because
there was a fight in Final Fantasy where there were ads on the fight and it just
through the community because suddenly, instead of just doing single target, they suddenly had a fight where they had to
sort of maybe hold some cooldowns or they had to do a bit of AoE at times and sort of switch and do some
prio damage and stuff. And it just like, I mean obviously the top teams in the world handle that
fine, but for the wider community it's like started to fall apart because people were just like,
this is such a hard boss because we're not used to doing this skill. So, um, but it's, yeah,
It's really cool to get ideas like I get a lot of concepts in terms of how mechanics are assigned because I've learned a lot from FF like
how mechanics actually end up getting assigned based on
roles and stuff like that and then I get a lot of ideas when it comes to
spreading people for things so like, you know, like light party stacks group soaks tank soaks like
Like split positions on everything and then using just positional orientation is very helpful
And that's like skills there that you can develop over and wow
I think I think that's an untapped market and while it's developing orientation and
Being able to describe areas of the room accurately
I think that personally for me for what I see is an underdeveloped skill in teams
I don't want to necessarily say race the world first
But I think that's an area that could probably be improved where people like okay
We got to move like left we got to move over there and it's just this vague
that. Yeah, I think that's
the thing that people are
true. The ping system massively
helps. I think it's being is
sick. Even earlier today, we
saw one of the midnight
crystals not dying on Laura
and they just spend this one
kill this one. It's two steps
away from the boss. But yeah,
it's it's cool to get that
insight as well from the
Guild Wars perspective to
Playing multiple games to everyone. I think it will it will make you better at all of the games that you play, right?
Because you're just getting new
You're learning new things like you're kind of getting a different take on how raids can be and like how the encounter design can go and
Different group sizes because of course I can wow it's 20 players from if they're in Guild Wars
It's 10. I think in Final Fantasy. It's 8 right? I think
In Final Fantasy, so that's obviously like a different experience. I'm like how that works out, right?
I would I would always recommend like if you're looking to get better as a player and improves
Yeah, definitely try out some other games and just put yourself
You know throw yourself into the deep end right like put yourself in a crazy wacky new scenario and yeah
What's yourself to learn right? This is kind of where I was gonna say we're shaking was saying like shaking
Originally was saying about how it's hard for us to develop raid leaders in Wow because
Everyone's have come saying for the love the race specifically right, but yeah for the race specifically. Yeah. Yeah, yeah
Yeah, so yeah, that is a key point.
Yeah, that's very pertinent.
So for race to world first,
Raid leaders to develop their skills,
it's hard for them to always do that.
And wow, if they have to spend a lot of time copying
what's ahead, and I think Shaking also made the point
of like a world first guild compared to Raid leading
a world top 20 is probably night and day
because a world top 20, you're probably going right boys.
Go and look at that.
We're gonna do this.
This is what we're gonna do.
I'm gonna learn my calls based on what they did,
but go play another game
and you can practice those skills
Absolutely where you can get content a little bit differently and I think that's kind of where you'd get a bit of that training camp
Because some of the guys, you know like some of the guys I played with with with ff 14
Like which we're not even a high-ranking team
It's just eight of us they see a mechanic and they're just able it there'll be like 18 steps to this mechanic
And they'll just piece it together and then knowledge is incredible with like oh this fight is like this
Okay, we need to do it like this. This is probably how it's assigned the mechanic to everybody
We're gonna want to probably like move this over here move that over there prioritize this then do that
And you're like, but like I'll go to bed. We prog a boss. I'll go to bed. I'll wake up in the morning
They've got a an 18 page raid plan already sorted
I'm like you guys are mental like it's got animations and everything. I'm just like
You like it's crazy the the rate which they'll they'll cook this stuff
So it's really cool skill to develop actually I think
Yeah, and it also just becomes like I know you're about to leave soon. I want to try to squeeze this out before you're off
Yeah, sure, but like basically if you take as a raid leader, right you take
beef
Every player is not the same you can have a player that plays mage and every tier he's like mage
It's the best like we're gonna stack four mages and then you see the race to world first company like no like
Barely one match you're here for the buff. Yeah
And then you have let's say in that tier you played four hunters, but your hunter was like yeah
I mean hunter's okay this year. I mean yeah, maybe we gear two or something
So not only as a skill of a raid leader
Do you have to be able to like put your foot down and say like oh this person usually always says that this class is good
But never actually is and then that guy he usually always like sandbags his class, but it always is amazing
And I think that's something that benefited
Liquid a lot that even when they were behind of the method of the past or or echo
In like BFA times one thing that they always had to practice every single race
was that they had to step in first and show that this is the comp they believe in on every boss at the early stage
And so that skill is something also is very hard for a method to practice
They have had some comps on the brew twister in the neurobar palace where actually echo and
Liquid copied the comp of method, but it's very hard to like practice that skill
Yeah, it's extremely hard like I remember
when I was playing in future in start of castle nathria there was a big
disparity for the mages of like are we going venthyr and playing frost or are
we going night fame playing fire and that built on which world boss is active
because the legendary we get from there is gonna make us like be able to
pick what we're gonna play yeah and so on that Tuesday every single EU
mage in the world is watching NA starts fired up logs in he's on fire he's going to kill the
world boss it's the fire legendary world boss everyone on EU is gonna log in and pick fire
instantly and so like that skill they had to develop early on whether or not they were gonna
win that race so I think a hard skill as well on that is knowing like you say method stuck
to their guns on a comp that they believed in better and ended up working out well for them.
And we've seen it at other times. I think it was like pieces with the UNA and stuff where they
I believe just stacked shamans and that was like warlocks and that was something that other guilds
I think eventually then copied. I could be slightly wrong on that but that's where as a guild you
need to know when to stick to your guns and when you think no actually we think we can do
this a bit better and it's hard when somebody's already in front of you showcasing something to
dispute that and and and say no we we think that's wrong we want to do this instead that must be
that must be really tough to to have the confidence and the guts to uh to do that but it's awesome
when it happens because okay let's see how this works out yeah i think it like with the healer
This this tier right if you just take us without like throwing too much shade
But I feel like I have to be a little bit like how I just see it
You take in echo they have spawned a roast
That you see playing in method last year holy Pally right exactly very good. Holy Paladin. He had 10 holy paladins
He's benched the entire tier more or less like he played the
disc priest on belloran or something but other than that he's more or less benched
the entire tier. Driny in liquid like a staple healer they've been playing with
for so long he's the holopalladin guy benched the entire tier right and then
you take in method Sanner he was the holopallad guy this tier they had to
panic here his monk to get him into into the red right and so it's like those
type of things makes it so important that you nail and know what the comp is
gonna be ahead of time what you believe in and so yeah that's a skill that's
very hard to develop when you're when you're behind yeah yeah very very good
points they're shaking love that and gentlemen I have very much enjoyed your
company today, but I'm gonna go. I'm gonna leave. This is it for me. I did quite manage
to get the kill pull on my show on my cast today. He almost had it. Could have had the
P4, but this will probably be it for me on the broadcast now. This is my second goodbye
to the Method Stream, but yeah, it's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure to cast
with you guys. It's been a pleasure to chat, being able to, you know, have this position
to be able to communicate with you all and share my stupid silly opinions about
So I really appreciate it and I love being here and thank you to method for having me
That's everything from me. Thanks production. Thanks mods. Thanks everybody. Enjoy the rest of the show and
Bye guys. It's been great
It has been an absolute pleasure
And hopefully we can see the kill sure his favorite. I'll still be watching. He'll still be watching trying to curse it
so he can come back tomorrow, but
We will resist the curse. Yeah, I think it should die very fast
Yeah, I think just that's gotta be it the team has got to be feeling great right now as well
but because I thought though of course we did make those composition changes and
Obviously that's gonna lead to some reprogression right that we did see a lot of a lot of wipes in the early phases like ironing out phase one
Kind of relearning some parts of the encounters
A little bit particularly phase one, but now we've got there right
We've got some very good consistency will being super consistent yesterday as well with that extra item level
Any kind of concern about the DPS check is kind of gone at this point right because like yesterday it looked
doable on the very best pull that we saw that was the 2% pull
There were three people dead so they probably could have just barely made it like if they didn't have those deaths like late into the fight
But it would have been close right now, but now
We're good right now. We can afford play a little safer right get the mechanics get through the phase
and lock it in because the DPS is just not a concern for us at this point and that will further of course help us
build more consistency
Into this fight. Yeah, and I think like what you're saying is
completely on the nose where like
They went from a mentality of saying oh, let's check how much better our damages
To confirming that damage is not the problem if just get there with everyone alive like it was
not even close. So now they can full focus on play good, play safe, but also
that P4, like how do we solve the P4? We know it's not a hard phase, we've seen it
being killed by two other guilds. Let's do that and we should finish up
soon enough. Yeah 100% and that's gonna be that third, world third locked in
for Method here, exactly what we want to see.
Of course, EU second, World Third overall,
not quite able to get back up to second or first just yet,
but I would say another strong,
you know, I'd say a strong showing here
from Method overall throughout the tier.
And of course we have some new faces,
like some new players to test out,
new players to potentially become
some World's first Raiders at some point
down the line.
After this it will be figuring out like what needs to change, what needs to be better, and then moving on to the next tier after that.
And then you know we get the absolute joy of gearing up all of those characters for splits.
What do we think is actually worse? Is it better going into an expansion or going into the next season?
In terms of like gearing up all the characters for the next brutal round of splits?
I mean I think expansion start is way more time consuming.
Because like preparation of characters is done in like a matter of weeks instead of a matter of months
Because right now basically after this tier
They will start
Reclearing right they'll start boosting getting gold and stuff like that
But they have so much time where they can I'm saying relax, but it's like downtime, right before the next
Next tier starts again. So I
I would probably prefer to play between tiers than play the first one
But maybe maybe someone in the races of the other opinion who knows maybe someone just really loves leveling
They say oh wow level of these characters so much fun. This is great. I love this this delve, right?
Like they're doing the first pull of the delve and then resetting it. It's just so much fun
We love that and it's usually way more stressful also with like how classes are performing and stuff
hmm it's easier to yeah it's easier to pick in between tears in in an expansion than the full
expansion loss yeah yeah yeah and of course we kind of saw that a little bit like you know just
bringing up the mist weaver right because the mist weaver was a little bit of a surprise right and
yeah led to some very frantic gearing over there as well i think i think you know what i
understood like people were pretty confident that holy paladin i went on the internet and i was
I was looking at all the Taylor's and people were saying, Holy Paladin is guaranteed.
It is locked in into the race worlds first of course, very much the opposite, right?
As some of the strongest Holy Paladins in the world ended up not really seeing a lot of play.
Yeah, I mean, and it really comes down to when you have a class that needs a buff like Paladin, we need the buff from the Paladin.
Prot Paladin is not an option.
So then the question is do we play red or do we play holy and for most of the
Tears it has always been like you pick the holy palette in but the red is performing good this tier and the holy
Paladin is not so then
Yeah, but in the red and then all of a sudden everything changes
Yeah, very exciting
When she see the ready check going out so let's see like I would love to see it done in under 500 pulls
I think that will be incredible if we're able to manage to get that done that would be 16 pulls
So that feels like that might be a little ambitious because again like fake getting to baseball consistently is absolutely no joke
But it is possible because again
I really do believe that if we see one or two more phase fours judging by how well prepared Matthew was looking now
I think they were they did an excellent job in kind of having a really clear game plan for that phase for the first
they saw it. I think now that they've ironed some things out there, they're gonna change the positioning, I think, a little bit with where the, you know, the safe zone is, while they're rotating around the room. I think we're gonna be in a really good spot at the very least, get an incredibly low pull. Hopefully not quite as heartbreaking as a 0.14%. I don't think I want to see that on this stream, although it would be pretty exciting to see something get that close, but I'd like to us actually to kill it. I'd like to see it go to 0.14%, maybe with a couple people alive.
And then go to 0 immediately afterwards.
I think if we wipe at that point, people have been dead for more time than we would want,
and then it's still like, oh, let's fix these deaths and it will just fall.
I'm pretty sure. They have so much damage. Even they have so much damage in P3,
they can hold off a cooldown 2 or 3 more than they would have expected probably.
And then the more damage you get in P4, the easier it becomes, right?
Yeah. And you know, I think that there's maybe some different perspectives on this,
But when we've all been there right you have like a super low white like a 1% wipe or whatever like for me
I actually find that like okay. Yeah, we already killed this is to it again, right?
Like I know that you know, it's you know, it's it's tempting to be demoralized by that
But I think it's a mistake to be demoralized, but just just don't be demoralized guys. Just don't tell okay
Yes, come on. Just don't do it because once you've had that pull you know that you've already essentially killed that like
Yeah, if you wipe at 1% that's a
kill
With variants right pretty much like we just like a couple of little things going a little bit differently
So you just lock in run it back and get it done
Yeah, that's a
That's always the hard part with like raiding and wow right because you when you get that best pull
In your back in the back of your mind. You're like, oh, I mean we can get back there just all the time
But unfortunately, that's not how it works
So I I'm probably one more that
But that is in the same camp as you, that I think if you get there once you can go there
next bull, there's no reason you can't.
But it's hard, especially with like this P1 we have on this boss.
But if you get through P1 with everyone alive, I'm pretty sure the mindset for method now
should be, if we don't get to P4, failure is an exaggeration, but you know what I
mean, like we should really be seeing P4 if we get cleaned through P1 now.
Yeah, especially with that leeway that they have because of the DPS like again
You know when you when the DPS check is super tight you have to play so aggressively you have to be greedy, right?
On phase three in particular, you have to be quite greedy
During those last windows during your cooldown windows
You need to squeeze out you to milk the boss for every point of damage that you can but that's a little bit less necessary
I'm not saying that people can be slacking
They absolutely can't be but they do have just a little bit of leniency that I think should really help improve the consistency
Even further than it already is
Yeah, yeah for sure. I was wondering we saw it like
Wasn't a full time. It was a ready check. Yeah, there's a ratio. We're doing a little bit of a transmog
situation right now
Changing this demon hunter. I believe is currently on the agenda
see what we've got yeah it's uh oh now we're in a bit of a oh a bit of a rogue perspective
there kush kush oh oh he just got caught by the way bro just got caught i never said
middle zoom there onto the blood elf we know like we saw what you did buddy okay we we
know does he wear glasses for vision or for visual effects it does anyone know i don't
I don't know if I used to see him with glasses on.
He's just looking to, I mean, he's, um,
I don't know, he's playing Havoc.
I was gonna say he's devour us.
So he's an intellect class now.
So he's just looking, putting the glasses on
to look erudite, you know, like hyper intelligent.
But, uh, I don't know.
It's a good question.
I had a very kind family member tell me that, by the way.
Oh yeah?
I had the glasses on.
He's like, yeah, you're wearing glasses, huh?
You don't look smart.
It's like, all right.
Well, you don't look smart.
Thank you, I guess.
Wow, it's a nice thing to say, brother.
A lot of trans-bog options here.
Just kind of checking out some different potential leg options, and then he goes for the
hit. He goes through all those options and then goes to hit him. Of course.
Of course. Like,
I like the little clotsling.
That's crazy.
that is the average blood elf enjoyer guys let me tell you that someone in
this way someone in cushus chat just said in swedish oh sexy look the chat
knows what they want to see the chat chat knows what they enjoy and here
comes the poll I mean this could be it like any of these could very much be
it let's look in how how this is your second tier casting wow now right it is
yeah I've been liking it enjoying it both last year and the end this one you
know honestly this time was a lot smoother because last time my sleep was
way more disrupted and I was just there were some cars without my goodness
I'm I'm I'm losing track of reality like all of the colors are blending together because obviously I'm playing at the same time
Right, so I'm I'm playing while I'm casting while I'm streaming myself as well. So it's just
Very very very intense right but this time, you know, I've had practice on the first tier I
Have been locked in
The entirety of the cast and well unfortunately we are not locked in as we are dead to random
P1 unlucky. Yeah, the weak guard did not press the correct stuff and they tried to last last second adjusts
Correct order and then it went wrong. I went wrong and we died
Okay, that's gonna be incrementing the pole counter and sadly not gonna be a phase four pole phase one
Not quite the same thing as phase four regrettably, but yeah
No, it's uh, it is great to be back back to the casting topic
You know, I've uh been really a lot of fun. Actually, I kind of met some new casters this time around as well
We absolutely love to see that on the early morning show as always
You know, I'm apparently one of the few casters willing to be awake early in the morning, which oh, yeah
I respect I do respect that so a lot of early morning show
But a little bit more of an afternoon thing here as well and perhaps just in time
to potentially became very very close to a kill here like obviously look I have
never I only saw I saw Paladin's die this time okay and I only saw soul hunters die
so apparently I just killed the council bosses on the on the method what
race was first cast apparently so I did I've seen two kills on stream but never
a how should we say like hard boss right I haven't said that the really challenging ones go down I would love it to
have midnight falls what a what a better boss to see go down for my first race to worlds first end boss kill the
missed one that would be truly truly a memory to treasure and hopefully method can look method please do that
otherwise I'm gonna be very disappointed okay if you don't kill the boss while I'm here that is to be
Frank unacceptable okay that is that is a noob moment I usually I'll obviously a
lot of the casters they want to see the kills like that's the exciting moments I
usually say behind the scenes now people get the small insight into what I
yap about of camera but when when I've been talking to people about this I
usually am of the type that I think it's better if I just see progress and
wipes just like let me let me rant about the how they wipe or how they can fix
stuff and then when the kill is about to happen like someone else can take it
because I'm not I'm not that much of an exciting type of person in in in that
casting category so but I've seen a couple and bosses I think I saw Jailer
that was my first cast ever. That's a hype one too actually. Well that was epic
Because that was Method World 2nd as well.
Yeah.
And then, whew, what a time that was in your life.
But then the last one I saw, I saw Galawix as well.
But that was, the Galawix one was sort of the same as now, was the other guilds had already killed it.
We woke up in the morning and it's about like, let's just go in and finish this.
So the cast was a little bit more chilled at the time.
Yeah, and just a very kind of weird end to the tier as well right as well with with Gallywix not quite delivering on the level of difficulty
We wanted to just just kind of died right so that's not exactly what we want
But fortunately Laura looking at the pool count. It didn't just die as it turns out
It was quite the struggle I think we are really getting there now though
And well see if we can make it through this phase one like I almost still feel what do you think about this?
When I'm looking, watching these polls, I'm almost still the most worried about phase one, even though we are really, really close to actually finishing off the boss.
I start to get hyped. I start to get excited once we actually make it through this first just horrible, horrible part of the encounter.
And I know that every phase three, we just have this, this great opportunity to make it through, especially with all of this new DPS that we found.
sound yeah absolutely it's like the fails I see is 90% P1 and then intermission
we can have a few deaths if we have the combators for it I'm still calm P2 no
problem and then right before we get into P3 with those 18 soaps around the
room that's like another big spike where it's like oh they can wipe here
without me being very surprised and then yeah P3 after it's like let's
Let's watch intently and see what happens.
What do you think happened with those soaks, actually?
Because we saw that was just this huge pain point for Method.
I feel like on this post, if there was one thing that we've
had difficulty with, it's that, like 100%, right?
Like, throughout the progression here.
What do you think was going wrong?
And how do you think they resolved that?
Because now I think our consistency there is completely fine.
Like, you know, of course we die sometimes,
But, you know, it's completely acceptable, right?
Like the amount of times we're making it through that.
Like, what was going on there, do you think?
I mean, I wish I could tell you, but I hope and I'm assuming a little bit that
the classes that had a way to get into position early and like showcase here I stand
maybe weren't fast enough.
And then all the time becomes like compounded into shorter and shorter like space.
everyone else has to make up a problem and I guess they just like watched what
other games did or at least like put into these people's mind like you need to
transcendence instantly you need to pick up that crystal you need to stand here
and just like make space for for the other people or at least time I that's
the only thing I can imagine because there's just no way some person went
Wrong side like ten times in a row, right?
Certainly hope not. Yeah
So I am just it has to be that maybe they like have put
Wrong people to be the ones to pick up the crystals
Just basically in my mind if I would solve it now
I would just pick like the classes that can get into position fast
You're gonna pick up the crystal
Which means you're also gonna be the one to soak the middle soak of these three in the groupings
And then one person goes left of it and one person goes right of it and on you go
I
Do like how we said p2 is no problem and then and then that happens
I did say intermission if we like have people fall in intermission
And we don't stress us. That's the scare part because that is a they went and killed themselves in p2
Well because I didn't have the people alive
Yeah, obviously a little bit unfortunate, but I mean look these whites have been happening
right they've been happening the entire time and now they will continue to happen until
we actually secure this kill. I think it'll be interesting to see like how efficient the
recluse are going to be of this boss as well. I almost feel like it should be pretty fine
because I think that there's quite a bit of gear sensitivity to this encounter right
because like if you are able to get quite a bit more DPS and of course I believe
it is next reset if I'm not mistaken. We're actually going to get the raid buff coming through
two that will give probably more damage, right? More damage and healing to everyone. Like that
will start to mean that you have to play less of the really scary parts of this encounter.
I think the funny thing is you're always going to have to play all of P1 because it's on a
timer, right? There's no escape from the entirety of phase one. But certainly for phase three,
It will get shorter essentially over time as we continue to accumulate more and more gear and that buff starts to stack up
It's still a little bit like this on heroic because I go on heroic alleria or heroic lura rather
You barely do any of phase three like if you have like you know decent DPS and you know be some gear on all your characters
You've played essentially only one set of mechanics like in that final phase three now because you've done so much damage to the boss
That it doesn't really fully play out so to get you anywhere near that right was rather interesting and of course
That will eventually even be the case or mythic laureate, too
Yeah, and another factor in that regard is like
For a lot of the lower tier guilds and I was thinking about this when we were discussing
You know raid leading and like lower tiers and stuff and when I'm saying lower tears
I'm saying you know like top 100 200 300 and above
So basically how you solve damage checks for most of it, at least how I used to do it and
maybe I wasn't the best raid leader, but if we just didn't have damage for a certain set
of adds or a certain phase or something, you just hard assign a guy to put the cooldown
there that maybe is not optimal for his damage because like I don't care if you do less
damage in P1, it's completely relevant.
We need it in P2, you're holding.
But when you have bosses that are that way, it becomes harder to then find the overall
damage if there's also a damage check throughout the fight.
If you put too many people to do optimal damage for themselves, all of a sudden throughout
the fight you can lose damage.
On a boss like this, P3, you do more or less double damage, right?
That's how it works, like every point of damage counts as two in P3.
So for every single guild that plays this boss going forward, it will be P1 through P2,
so like including into mission, that is on a timer.
You just play, like get through it safely, alive.
And then we're popping everything we have at P3.
No need to think about it, no need to complicate how you're doing it.
getting a cooldown with your pot in p3 that's how you're gonna do it right and then on you go so
i think with gear and obviously they will nerf this p1 i think this will be one of the bosses that
is like from race to world first difficulty to like the top 200 guild the disparity in the
difficulty of the boss will be insane i think for sure yeah yeah that's an excellent point
because about the fact that you can afford to play safer with your cooldowns to build consistency
is a really big thing there as well. It's an excellent thing to bring up, I say, and of course,
completely correct and good news. By avoiding talking about what's going on on the screen,
we have actually prevented the wipe. You're welcome. And we are now in this phase two. So
get ready. This could be a potentially very, very strong pull again. We're very good at this
phase two so there shouldn't be any real issues here we should be moving on to that phase three
and again that just takes us ever ever closer to that glorious secret phase in phase four and the
damage is just looking so good as well and this boss is absolutely melting we've got quite a lot
a couple we've got quite a few mechanics that's left in this phase two and the boss is already
below 60% at 59% like this is going to be I think a very strong boss HP transition into phase three
Yeah, one person dead. I don't know where this guy tracks his rest timer
Do we have it or does one come out? Yeah, it comes up around here, right?
Also, we're already on poor counts 507 by the way. Like is the leaderboard deceiving us like what is going on?
So Warcraft Logs has this thing where if you wipe in the first 20 seconds, it counts as a reset.
Oh, it doesn't count?
Yeah.
Because most bosses...
I may say that in a bunch of random pulls that have kind of bumped it up a bit, I guess.
Yeah, but on this boss particularly, right?
That mechanic of how Warcraft Logs does it, faults a little bit because the interrupts come in like 10 seconds.
Yeah, yeah.
So you can die like 10 seconds in, which is a valid why.
Warcraft Logs will track it as a reason.
Wait, so the Warcraft Logs track it probably is then.
Well, I guess no one really knows them.
Because there probably were a couple of just like,
oh, we pulled the boss by accident, and I just really can't.
Yeah, that's what makes it hard.
Yeah.
When they put a wipe mechanic 10 seconds into the fight.
Very unfortunate that is going to be a wipe, right?
Again, that was a very, very strong start there to the encounter,
but sadly, we are not going to make it to phase three.
project.
Some four cents, but it is another pain point I guess in this, in this fight is getting those
18 soaks.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, just on the face of it, right?
You have 20 people, 18 soaks are required, right?
Like you cannot slack even a tiny bit.
And while we saw it during progression and we continue to see it now, like that is
a very hard thing to actually execute correctly and do it consistently.
just a single mistake like a single delay right on using a movement skill or some kind
of teleportation ability right will dispel disaster right because like you need to have
it as clear as possible when you've got such a short time like the speed at which you kind
of figure out who's got to go where or rather you know like who where where everyone already
is it's so so minimal right like you have to be incredibly quick and well miss any of
them and it's already just game over so I'm assuming they will nerf this
mechanic right like they will reduce the amounts of soaps yeah maybe they'll do
instead exactly if they go from three to two that makes it like significant
they could also go from like 18 to 15 and like three of them have three and
three of them have two maybe then that becomes wonky like yeah it's
interesting to see how they nerf this mechanic, but I'm pretty sure this will be nerfed.
And what's interesting is that it will have, if they do nerf that mechanic, it will kind of change
the rest of the fight as well, because ultimately those soaps are, it is the same mechanic,
as just them getting hit, but obviously going in a specialized location. Because like when you
obviously, if you ever get hit, you get those soaps, not specifically located there.
sure in the rest of the fight you only get two when you get to yeah so i guess they maybe just
normalize it then so it's always two everywhere i guess yeah because obviously like they they have
coded it to work differently there to an extent right because it's they sport in like very specific
locations like after that or like rather during that transition so i guess they probably could like
target change exactly that um which will be good you don't have to know for too much right
you don't know enough for too much especially with all of the extra gear that everyone's
getting. But I think so, like the really big pain point I think for other guilds progressing
here is just going to be building that phase one consistency. When phase one is this hard,
you just are going to lose so many attempts and so much progression time to just missing
a kick. You're going to be letting a shard go off, right, like not getting the grips
and the pulls correctly. I will imagine actually that I would, would you expect that most
Most groups will probably opt for the Blood Decay here as well, just to have the sack
a bit of damage potentially and just have that consistency on those grips.
No.
Because you're not going to need the damage so much of the Guardian Druid by the time
that you get here for most guilds anyway.
Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure most guilds should and will play Blood Decay.
But that's like when we're getting into the trenches of like these bosses are incredibly
hard for the race you're also building like into the boss that you're gonna
nerf it and if if a nerf is like oh they're not as spread out when they spawn
then maybe you can get away without playing at Lodik and stuff but most
kids probably will be. Yeah I think it will be very interesting to see the like
what they do to this boss because it is still extremely difficult and I'm
curious if they'll actually modify the memory game mechanic in phase one
because of course the guilds did get the go ahead to use this add-on technology, but I doubt blood is like
Oh boy, that's exactly what we wanted, right? Like with this boss
I'm curious like how much that will end up changing if it changes at all. If not to say, okay, right you guys
You guys won this round you can have your add-on, but listen, okay?
They're like, we'll be we'll be back with a vengeance in the next patch
Yeah, I mean
like we said the early on the question I feel like
that add-on which is like manual input and overlay and stuff like it just hijacked this entire add-on conversation
Yeah, to the absolute 10th degree so I'm also very dessert and dessert aren't super happy about how it played out
I mean there's nothing we can do about see how about how it's gonna go down go for
Yeah
Yeah, I think it's not the end of the world like the fight you know even without the add-on you like it would still be extremely difficult
It's not like, oh yeah, like, you know, if this mechanic gets nerf the entire fight is just easy and to be frank
I feel like at this point the memory game is it's kind of like the lease of their concerns, right?
I got at this point, right? And obviously the add-on is helping with that
But it's it is still like an incredibly challenging fight, right?
It's not like oh, yeah, the only hard part is the add-on part of the fight
So I think that you know in general are still a very solid encounter from a race worlds first and just
super hard end boss perspective. Yeah I mean what's also crazy but you almost
forget about the kicks on this boss when we've seen 400-500 pulls from these
people but for most guilds that play this fight that would probably be quite a
long progression of those as well so yeah it'd be interesting to see how
other guilds handle this difficult boss or if they ever get to play it.
It's funny actually I believe and well we probably saw actually on this
perspective while we were just kind of chatting. But I think there is actually a weak aura that
can at least tell you when your turn is basically like for the kicks. Like there is some out on
assistance with that. So that's also something that you can use. But still just the window alone,
right? Like it's it's very non trivial to get all of those kicks. Nobody goes early by accident.
Nobody misses, right? Because if anyone misses, like you're just going to blow up like almost
all the time, right? Because it just has this frontal cone on all of those prisons that
will just, you know, kill everyone who gets hit by it, you know, it's it's a pretty punishing mechanic.
Not good. Definitely. It's like it actually is like quite a crazy mechanic. Yeah.
But these players are obviously so consistent that it's not the end of the world for them. But
it is insanely tired then with requiring 15 people to have a kick available.
I think likely also, you know a mechanic that is likely to see change I would say right to be honest is that
Reducing the number of kicks and maybe giving you more time as well
So say let's say you reduce the number of kicks by one, right?
You can still have the mechanic like last the same length of time
But you can just have one less in the cycle for example that that will be an approach
They can take to change that if they wanted to you know, we'll see how it will see how it pans out
We're already talking about nerves and we haven't even killed the boss raised it
Yeah, like the game is too hard. Come here. The game easier. Was it okay? Like it's it's too challenging
I don't have my add-ons anymore, right? It's over like it is gg
But you see like in this period. I feel like it was perfect
We see worse being super fast into his position picking up that crystalline just like I'm I'm taking this soak
And then the other people know like oh, I guess we're going to the other two them, you know
So, I don't know what made it so that we for like a day and a half had a lot of problem with this mechanic.
I mean, I mean, maybe, honestly, I don't know what the plans are exactly for the show, like if we get a kill today, or potentially if there's a kill tomorrow.
I would love to actually get some insight right from, you know, from perhaps Biff, the raid lead or indeed some of the big brains over at Method
to kind of give us like a rundown of like, you know, think how things went right like what went well what was like a really big challenge right like what are we looking to improve on as we push into the next year because that's such an incredible part of the race worlds first because you know it's easy to forget in the moment that there's going to be another raid boss coming up after this right like but there will be there's going to be another tier sooner rather than later and then method will be back on it pushing forwards.
It's a again climb that ladder climb the ranks in the world and I tell you what we're looking very very good on this pole
Hey, don't why don't why okay good?
It's like
Relatively low. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're this is huge. This is huge. We haven't even done memory game on this side yet
So we have one more set of mechanics and the boss is a team
So this is gonna be again, I think close to 15% I want to say right going into the last area
Yeah, I mean you're you're definitely telling some class to just hold pull down here. I think because this is
incredibly low
Here we go
We're gonna be dropping down this crystal 14 percent
That is just massive the DPS is just yeah
It's gonna be 13 right as we go into that final era bear of mine guys
We're okay if this is 17 right like more or less with 5% head on boss damage
hold on let's get going now don't get excited too quickly because again this
is a really scary part of the fight what we've got to do a four-stage memory
game and then the so and look at the area look how confined we are all that
constellation was pretty mean I think we do have a death there on a player do we
have a combat is available that's the big question I think even with a player
dead we can probably still make the DPS check and rest is up as well so we're
all good the other side is obviously playing the memory game and we're
doing this and they screwed up oh no was that I think was that a failed memory
game I want to say yeah I think so oh what a tragic pull because the damage
there was just insane right it was nearly five percent ahead of schedule I
think four percent ahead of schedule approximately and where we want to be we
were gonna completely blitz that check and then have another attempt and I was
I mean that damage is crazy. For sure someone, if they haven't they should talk about just
someone moving their cooldown into p4.
Does it get even more damage on the p4? Yeah because they are ahead, they're just sort of
ahead there right? Yeah they almost have too much damage right in that phase.
Yeah I mean it might actually be the case that they're expecting other cooldowns to
come up and they don't want to push like early right? Like that could be the case.
We're still talking about a couple of seconds here and there but that could be the case.
But it also is if you can just make sure that you have P4 damage and you don't have to worry
about like the end rage in P4 then it literally is just like stay alive and the boss will
die, right?
So interesting to see how they're gonna do on the damage to go on forward.
And yeah, it's just, we kind of saw it on our side there with the players in that
really interesting kind of circle formation right in the one remaining light you have to be
pre-spread because if those symbols spawn on you and you're pre-stacked boom kaboom like the entire
raid is dead if you accidentally you know you dodge a constellation and you clip into someone boom
raid's dead it is very very difficult to execute there you have to be very precise with your
positioning you can't move too soon or accidentally collide with someone and then it will all just
just fall apart, right?
I think the soaks there are kind of okay.
You just have to quite quickly, you know, go one,
go two, go three, and you know, you'll be all right
as long as nothing goes horribly wrong.
But that four stage memory game is diabolical
in that final stage of the encounter.
It is very uncomfortable to do that.
You've got to have nerves of steel
to make it through that cleanly.
Yeah, yeah.
And basically, like you said, how you solve it is
the crystal guy, if everyone's alive,
the crystal guy is not getting a memory game.
So he's just planting in a space where he's safe from consolation and everyone around him can be safe.
And then everyone's just standing on the outer edge of the crystal light.
In-state pops, the first group just like goes into the middle, connect.
And that's like the idea that they should always just be able to safely walk into the middle because you're standing in a circle.
It's an interesting mechanic on how it's solved, but the consolation R&G can definitely screw you over every now and then.
Yeah, yeah, it can it's it is one of those mechanics. It does look really cool
But if it just happens that the in the wrong pattern
It can make the fight quite a bit more annoying to deal with right like it can really screw you over with
How quickly you can move because ideally especially on that memory game, right?
You want to be able to send the first two really quickly you go boom boom and then that gives you more time
That means three and four could be much more relaxed and it's like okay
This is lovely, right? But if you get a bad consolation on the first one and you have to hold
All of a sudden that timer because again, it's a memory game with a timer
The timer can start to get really really scary and on successfully resolving those
Those little symbols. Yeah, yeah for sure. And that that is like the pain point where you know, you just need to go fast
but if there's a consolation that can be
You know rough and you put one
Let's say you put one of the collides in on the other side of the constellation,
then all of a sudden you leave yourself so much less room.
So it is just like important that the first set goes instantly as soon as they can.
Yeah, so you have to be very reactive,
like immediately identify where the other players are, like in all of that,
and then you have to kind of make it work and solve that as quickly as you possibly can,
to make it easier for the other ones.
And of course, you know, you also have that very small room to do it in as well
It's like the light bearer has to be very conscious of where everyone is, right?
So that you can try to keep them safe, like of course if you are left exposed in the darkness
I believe you get slowed and you take very heavy damage at the same time as well
So like you have to be so conscious there's a lot of responsibility on well every player in the raid
right like in that particular part of the fight like everyone needs to be so
Incredibly aware of what other players are doing in addition to what they themselves on a personal level are also going to
Yeah
I just looked at the timing to be like precise on exactly how it looks but
basically the constellation goes off and then you get the memory game to pop and
Then a constellation will spawn like very fast after everyone has gotten their marks
So if you don't pop like one or two sets early, it gives so much less room for people to move around and navigate if they are unlucky with the constellation spawn on them.
And so we see like the DK follows an example because maybe he had space, maybe he had time, but he feels that he's stuck, right?
Constellation spawns on him and he sees that.
Yeah, it's it's very challenging. It's a it's a very, very hard part of that fight, right?
I think it's significantly harder than the first two sets of mechanics, right? Like having
the extra light and of course only having a three step memory game is significantly more
reasonable to do, right? It makes it all the timings like a lot more chill than that
final set. And yeah, of course, both sides have to do it. So even if one side is
able to kind of have a decent time of it and not have the worst constellations ever.
There's still plenty of time for Lura to mess with you on the other side of the arena.
So like that is the real, real key pain point, right?
It's like solving that final memory game and then entering phase four.
Because I mean our damage is crazy.
Like we're not even going to really see the final like big boom, right?
That Lura does, right?
Like it's already going to be phasing.
I think on our first P4 it kind of started casting it that didn't really even do it.
that particularly matters of course but it's just it's got to feel good to have that level of
damage moving into the final phase because of course at the end of the day even though we
do have that powerful light burn burning lura down in phase four you're still hitting the boss
right you're still doing dps like it's not like it doesn't do anything you have to still execute
your rotation you have to send those cooldowns and yeah as you say if we can potentially shift
to cool them outside of phase 3 into phase 4 to make that phase last a couple of seconds sooner?
Well, that's your 1% wipe sold, right? Like now you aren't wiping out 1% anymore or having one of
those real heartbreakers in the single digits, because you've got a little bit more damage there.
And the thing is, it's not like, I don't think we really have the ability to skip any of the
mechanics either, right? Because like you could say, oh well, you know, if we really pump hard
in phase three maybe we can skip that really nasty memory game but that's just not gonna happen right
like we don't have that much damage uh that we can skip an entire mechanical set so you might as
well just play all of them because you have to anyway uh and then just have more damage in phase
four yeah exactly because basically if you're already playing all the mechanics and we're
we're either pushing you know five seconds earlier five seconds later in this like
wait for the boss to kill everyone era then it's just better if you could get
through it with everyone alive and have more cooldowns in p4 yeah cuz you are
not skipping mechanics like you say so hopefully they have some dynamic
assignment of who's gonna hold if the damage is really good going into that
last piece of slice yeah yeah as you say like you know it could you could
need to send right like this things have gone a little bit slower for
for whatever reason then okay yeah you probably do want to send that cooldown but if you know
you're super ahead like we've had a really good phase one and phase two but yeah maybe
I'll just hold it right hold it and then just you know don't send as hard in phase three
as you otherwise would and then just have like a easier time in phase four meeting
that dps check yeah hopefully that is being done or at least there's something they
That's the value of the plan, so...
well here we go look I'm gonna tell everyone to just get excited every pull
now and then eventually I'll make the correct call and it'll be a kill and
hopefully like an oracle I'm here I'm gonna do about even if it's not on my
shift I'm gonna stay here in Twitch chat every pull I'm just gonna say this is
it I was here immediately it's like oh do you see I said it I'm gonna kill yeah
I am there I called it it was me I was I am the oracle but
Especially the Oracle is Bunton right? We need Bunton here to summon the kill because Bunton was the only one with the high enough IQ or like the third eye like Oracle from Priest or whatever to actually realize that Illyria was going to be easy.
Like no one else knew but somehow Bunton knew.
She was locked in.
also had belleran high pullcunt
yeah yeah yeah
bunton was indeed locked in when making those castle predictions
we were not apparently unlucky
i was so far off it's unreal
i put like dragons high
i put paladins on the
basically my paladins was on the money
i think everything else after paladins was horrible
I put 200 on alliria and like 30 on bellerin or something. Yeah, I did like in mind mind
Donalgear, I think I said like 150 on alliria then 250 on Lura
So not even close in fact those two things combined, right?
Of course less than the number of pulls that it actually has taken us down to kill alliria
I mean or Lura rather as we are kind of moving towards that will potentially already are already above depending on
How we figure out the log calculations
But yeah, we're already at that 500 pull mark like what an emboss what an emboss that we have here
But this is with nerf glaives as well like if we did not see nerf glaives like
The pull count on this would be I actually think that my prediction was correct
Like if it was unnerfed glaives, it was one cables like quite possibly like or quite possibly like approaching that number
It would have been an insanely I amount like even though we now know like when we were talking about that number
We're like, well, what if like P3 is as hard as this on NERF guys like this is going to be a crazy polka and like absolutely ridiculous
But yeah, I think that if they hadn't made that adjustment, I
I'm not entirely convinced it would be dead yet like
Yeah, but still in Saint Lehigh polka now as well, so yeah
Yeah, I think even if we look back to the war within
Dementius and Ansarac both considered to be very very challenging end bosses and they were both not on this level
Right in terms of the amount of pulls required to actually kill it and that was you know
Dementius was very very hard. I think in terms of that end boss like I was like for similar reasons right like the
Phase one of Dementius was just very very hard and we are like so was so was phase two and then phase three
also very challenging, but yeah, even that I think was resolved in what?
350 pulls or something I don't recall the exact number but it was I think it was
over 300 I would how long it took to take down but yeah this one Lura a bit of a
bit of another level sounds the difficulty I think visually dimensions
was such a cool fight as well yeah especially in that last phase that
there was such such like good way of introducing mechanics to make the
visuals of the fight look insane yeah I absolutely love that encounter it
was so much fun and yet I mean phase three was just it was just spectacular to
buzz with how epic it is I'm so glad we actually have such an epic phase four to
finish off this fight as well but I'm gonna be honest phase three on Lura when
I saw it on heroic I was like this isn't Dementious you know I was thinking
this is not as hype as Dementious like this is all right you know oh look you
know this doing the dark archangel oh wow that's that's pretty cool but
No, it was nothing on my king there. You know that the music's pretty good, but it's not dementia is 12
Let me tell you um, but you know what with that phase four with the lura theme blasting in phase four
You know what? Okay, I'll give them that this is pretty sick
It is unbelievably epic and well
Let's see if method can give us a taste of that give us a flavor
But what we're looking for with that epic finale. I have two worlds first
Then ask you do you play with music on in the game? Of course, yeah
Oh yeah.
That's impressive.
Yeah.
I love it.
I love music, video game music, but MMO music, it's the best, okay?
Like yeah, absolutely.
Like I actually don't understand how people can play without it.
Like how can you do Demensius without listening to that theme in phase three?
Okay.
How is that even possible?
And I've got to say I wasn't initially super impressed by Illyria's theme, but
it's actually really grown on me.
I love the music in phase three in particular.
It's really, really good.
And Lura is also pretty damn epic as well.
Like particularly in the intermissions and in phase three,
the music is really exciting and engaging to guy.
It's gotta be music on for me.
Like I can't believe it.
Like there's some guy in my guild who listens to like,
I don't even know how to describe this.
I think I'm too old to like get this,
but it's like highly sped up Weaboo music.
like I even what the hell is going on there like how can you play the game like that it's
just it just makes no sense to me but look if it works it works yeah I mean for me like
when I was younger playing World Warcraft just for the vibes music was such a big part
of your feeling in the game right like the song music of this or anything like that
but since I started the reading a lot I cannot have anything like that distracting me
And then if I'm listening to music, that's because I'm tilted and it's my music
I want to just buy it to on very high volume and I cannot hear any calls
That's that's how I used to do it
Yeah, I mean obviously this is this is like a very personal thing right and you know, oh look
I'm not I'm obviously being mean if like if you need the silence to lock in that how I said
I actually get that completely right sometimes you just want to fully zone in or exactly what you got to do
But yeah, I have to admit it when I hear the epic boss theme. I lock in right
I am fully locked in when it starts really going
You know, I I think what one of my favorite encounters like for the you know, I actually did like a boss rating with
with max actually probably enough
and I
What I rated a echo of Neltharian quite high, right?
Obviously that was not a super popular boss
And like a big reason for me is I just love how they tied the music to the phases
But you have this like insane
Crescendo of the boss music as you get into phase three and it really made it for me
But yeah, I'll see the fight a little bit cooked
I freely admit that but the way the the music came together with the theming and the design of the overall
Raiden the voice acting was just so good. I said, yeah, I have to rate it highly
I have no choice but to rate it high was presented here again. We are so low
I don't know. We were talking about something else. That was perfect.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. How, um, how does it feel then? Like, is it a lot of people that agree with you that they play with music or does when you say that, that's like, oh, this is good on a boss?
I feel like it's honestly 50-50. Like, it's, it always is like a bit of a split opinion, I feel like. But, okay, I got no, no, I'm going back on this immediately. Screw that.
We've got ourselves a 9% pull. We've just got to solve this memory game mechanic.
And I think we can be making it through, right?
Yeah, underside memory game, very important.
All right, are they going to solve it?
It looks good. We haven't died yet. That is good news, I think.
That is very good news. I'm calling it. We're going into P4.
I think we are. There's the last time as we've got to finish this soak.
It looks good though. It looks very, very good right now. 0.6%.
We're not even going to see that buster here.
It's just about to go off, it's about to attack, but no, we are in phase four, dear viewers.
Hold on to your seats, this is going to be a big one. We've got everyone alive right now.
This very well could be it. We just have to nail a couple more movements,
a couple more overlaps of these deadly spikes. The tanks need to repel, perhaps even soak,
some of those vicious fiends emerging from the dark well. Here come the first set of spikes.
Are they being handled well? Yes they absolutely are. Nobody's going down. Get ready to dodge the death beam.
Here we go. Dodging the little thingies, the tanks perhaps. Immuning them or soaking them like with any kind of immunity there.
But oh no, getting dangerously low! But their healing is absolutely massive and we still have everyone alive except for one.
Can we get Xaelia perhaps? I'm not sure if we can. We're trying to go for Reuben.
The combat res is going out, but I'm not sure if it's takeable. That could be a serious issue here.
yeah a couple of people falling I don't know if they got hit by what we call
dogs or if they fell out of the circle because we're moving too fast but we
have a I think too many people dying now but we'll see it's getting a little bit
scary because Klitz doesn't now probably worse and gloomer also dad I think this
run is unfortunately over can we maybe see all of the mechanics though we can
still learn from this and get used to having to be in this phase for this
level of time or falling behind them but desperately dodging these fiends the
tanks luring forwards there towards the end this is the final set of mechanics we are approaching
that hard in rage yeah and we are gonna see it that that's that's that's the hard in rage guys
there it is midnight eternal what a name for a mechanic by the way i love the roleplay in naming
that and i think that was a new best right it should have been yeah i don't know exactly how
I don't know, but it's a round of 20% mark and position.
I didn't see the exact number chat is saying 21%.
Let's see what it updates to when, of course,
that log gets uploaded or whatever is going on
in the background.
We will see it update on our best.
Yeah, there we go.
New best 20.6%.
I just think losing those couple of players early on.
I thought you just can't afford that, right?
Like that cannot happen.
It's so hard to recover in that situation.
And perhaps we also maybe ended up a little bit too close
to the boss there as well at the end.
I believe that was one of the things that we heard
in the comms after the first P4 that we were a little bit
too close making it harder and harder
to actually dodge those deadly dogs
or fiends rushing out from the boss.
And maybe that also claimed a couple of lives there.
But I think we do need to slightly refine that movement
and just make sure that we're not having anyone
left behind or clipped or taken out there by those those crawling things.
Yeah, so what it looks like is actually people falling behind when running. So I
don't know if that is like personal play, just like don't fall behind. You cannot
let that global global go. You just need to run with the group. Then I know
also one star, they they do the left, right, left, right. We saw
echo go like forward back forward but method is doing the same as liquid go
and left right left and but there was the last set when we had like almost the
entire raid dead it was one guy that went left right right and he almost stacked
on top of another star yeah so they have some things where they have to just
tell people like the important part of staying alive and doing this mechanics
like don't fall behind when we're running yeah and yeah just make make
sure you go out to the left right and then left with with the stars. Yeah just of course it's like
it's easy for us to say that but you just have to keep a clear head right we heard how chill they were
in the comms but like even these raiders are going to be getting a little excited right in that
type of situation and you just have to keep some steely minded determination to execute things
exactly as was planned before the raid and yeah perhaps a little bit of a tune up with that
movement, making sure that some of our healers don't fall behind, perhaps making sure that we have a
movement speed cooldown that's enough, right, to help people keep up there as well, or indeed
just play better. That's a tried and tested one, that also works, right?
Yeah, I also wonder, I don't want to call out what I'm calling out, so basically every time you
you get blazes or the stars, a massive amount of dogs just comes out from the boss.
And on the second set, Queb saw a couple of dogs and he pressed because it was now the
one with the light so that means the other tank is the one that kills all the dogs with
the extraction button.
He put it off a little bit too early.
And then we saw more dogs coming in when people were out with the blazes.
Luckily, I think those people managed to, it was our red paladin, maybe he bubbled or managed to dodge all of it
But that also needs to be something that we do a little bit more clean next time we get there
Yeah, and I think that also just could be something that we can potentially assign because I did see this on some of the other polls
Is that tanks can actually soak those too, but you know, they're not the tank that isn't carrying the light
Right can actually actively get hit by one of those to potentially soak it to clear a path
I believe players with immunities can do that as well
Say again, you can kind of defend people because you know if you're a little bit behind and there's one rushing right at you
I mean you're kind of committed you just got to keep running
It's gonna be really hard to dodge that because you don't you do have relatively limited mobility with what you can really do
And so it yeah, I think there are some things that we can optimize there to make that a bit more consistent
But I really do want to emphasize for our chat here for our dear viewers. That was what?
But we need to be alive with everyone else for another 10-15 seconds.
Yeah, I mean this boss is fried.
This boss is so fried.
We pushed so early as well.
Again, we could move more cooldowns into P4 and just make that boss even easier.
I mean, I'm saying like 10 to 15 pulls and the boss should be dead.
That's probably my assessment at least.
We've put a number on it now, okay?
I almost, wait, okay, so what's our pull count now?
By our little progressometer, we have a 489 pull count.
So wait, you said 15 pulls?
10 10 to 15. Okay. So we could see a sub 500 of them. If it's oh it was a well if it's 11 polls
That would be exactly exactly 500 right so come on. Let's see if we can do that
Can we finish this off before the 500 pull mark? But yeah, I yeah, I chat is saying one or two more P4s
I completely agree. I think we could 100% make this happen. Yeah, you need to energize here method
requires your energy. Put a variety of emotes, potentially some frog emotes, perhaps some
M-Way holies in the chat, perhaps a variety of other M-Way emotes could be spammed to
support the team, to push us forwards to locking in this victory.
It's a good time to be here. I mean, reset day always makes everything so much I'm
saying easier but you know like the amount of damage we have now is absolutely crazy I am I'm
actually a little bit surprised how good it is yeah we are absolutely blasting here and you know
we've all had our reset we've all had the loot okay we've got hopefully a really nice vault a
re-clear so you're having fun right like you're having a good time picking up those items right
I
You know it's it's funny. I am not making this up. I promise you I'm not making this up. I
Farmed seed of the triumph roots. I think 32 times now to try and get the ring
What's in the vault the ring and
Worse it's actually worse than that and I am not I promise you I'm not I am not spreading misinformation here
I also want the gloves of course because they are
I think it's a good idea to
use the plate gloves. I got
both items that I spent. I
lost years of my life to see
the triumvirate already, and I
got both of them in the vault.
Unbelievable. Okay, unbelievable.
But hey, maybe that's how it
works. Maybe I got my good
karma for, you know, putting
the hours into M plus grinding
the eye level, you know,
making my eyes open. I got
grinding the eye level and you know making it look like that's how that's how it works
also this is also a great I have actually been kind of blessed this week because I also you know
like there's that the weekly quest where you do the four key four keys or four mythic dungeons
and you get you know a random heroic item right from the raid I got gaze of the
owns here from that as well which I'm never getting because all my DPS players are begging for it in
the raid so me and mr tank negative priority on that but we actually managed to wink that from
the weekly as well so it's uh off the work you know off the work good start for me yeah I mean
sounds like it and you guys are probing Elyria now Elyria that's right yeah we have to reclear
the Paladins. That's going to be fun. We played it with 5 melees, which was a little bit interesting
to be honest, a little bit cooked, but we got it done. And yeah, we have to re-clear that. And
yeah, onto there. I'm really looking forward to it. Actually, we're going to pick up some good loot
and then get onto that end boss there. Look, we're catching up to these guys. We've nearly
got 7 bosses down. Hopefully going to take Illyria out this week. And then we get the
absolute joy of smashing into that brick wall that is going to be Bellarine.
Even though they nerfed it, of course, it's still going to be, I think, a very,
very tough DPS check, right?
Like, super, super challenging, 100 percent.
And indeed, they hotfixed the org tech.
So you can't even do that crazy technology anymore.
Like, orging up two of your players.
I think it was the Windwalker, right?
And an elemental shaman.
They just do some like with all of the orgs that doesn't work anymore. They bucked the augmentation range to 500 yards
So good luck getting out a range of that
I mean, I understand a little bit why but also those of the stuff I think it's cool, right?
Yeah, exactly. It's kind of cool to leave in it's not often you can take advantage of this
Yeah, one when you can it's like, oh, yeah, you actually as a player or a guild like
almost feels like you cheated the system and you got reported for it. But this would make
these changes every now and then.
I understand why they did it, right? Because it would be cool for this race, but they'd
be really worried about it happening again, right? And going, oh well, now we have to
think about, well, hold on, if we make a really big boss arena, they can do some crazy
Spend something that people have been playing with since they came out
Also, I remember in like Mott classic
some of my my old guildmates
Were playing
What's that raid called turns of them the spring? There's a boss called Soulang which basically is
At this it starts as a boss you damage and
And when you take it to 0 HP it dies, right?
But then it swaps to being healable instead and it just inverts.
So if you take it to 30% HP, the boss spawns with 70% HP and then the healers heal it up
and if they get to 100, they also just like beat the boss by healing it.
And so they basically outranged everyone and lasted the entire DPS group
and then they lasted the healers in intermission and then they had like this
fast with 10 man speedkill for forever long time because of that stuff.
I think it's so interesting that people come up with this stuff.
Isn't that just so cool? I love that.
That's definitely one of my favorite things about these kind of RPG stuff.
And just gaming in general is that when you have a problem,
players will just come up with the craziest solutions, right?
To try and find an edge or a little bit of tech to overcome it.
Yeah, and some of it is ridiculous, but these like small finicky things that you can sometimes
use, I think it's cool to live in a game, but I understand why they do it like you said
as well.
And here we are on another poll.
We are just getting so consistent right, like you know of course we've had a couple
of wives and hopefully this is not going to be one of them, but I think we have
really found our rhythm here.
getting into our phase 3s pretty consistently, our damage is insane. I'm curious if they do
end up doing what you suggested because on that previous pull, we were overkill in P3, right?
We did all the mechanics and boss just die, right? Like normally you have a couple of extra seconds
there because you have that final blast, right from the boss, that final dark archangel that
you can then use the seed to defend against or the shard or whatever we're calling it.
And then you have, you know, then the hardened rage starts casting, right, on phase 3. So you,
you know, we were well ahead of the DPS check there, although, you know, at the end of the day,
the team may simply prefer just getting to P4 as consistently and as quickly as possible with
and reducing the chance of anything going wrong or anything going weird. So they might just
keep committing it because we aren't going to get DPS check tried by phase four. I think
like we have so much damage here. It really is a case of just figuring out a couple more
of those things with our movement and it's boss die boss flop over yeah i mean you never want
you never want to risk it going into p4 right if you have a clean p4 you're taking the clean p4
the only things that we were like basically calling them to move is be not only like the
little bit of extra damage but like we are multiple percentages ahead you don't have to pop kind
kind of presented but we'll see they they are out here during this content now
compared to what they did last week obviously so yeah I'm sure they will have
no damage problems in people like yours it's always crazy just to see like how
much of a difference like just even a small amount of gear gain makes like you
know if you compare now to how we were at the start of the season it's kind
of crazy because I remember watching you know method do splits of alleria
And it was like, whoops.
This DPS is a little bit spicy, isn't it?
And look at us now, like if we went back there,
it would not even, like it would be a meme
in terms of how much damage we'd have now.
And of course, like we see that on a smaller scale,
of course now, just picking up these extra couple
of items from that mythic, a re-clear.
And indeed, of course, the vault and the extra upgrades,
all that kind of wonderful stuff.
So yeah, we're just, we're blasting.
We are absolutely blasting right now.
Yeah and we really just want to see see us like take method take us over the finish line
Yeah, that much more to it. You know, it's still a hard boss. Don't get me wrong, but
They can definitely do it. Yeah, any policy kill and what a crazy grind it's been because you know as we were kind of talking about earlier
Right, this is the first tier of an expansion. So our players have pretty much been going non stop since the launch
right now like it's been leveling and then after leveling it's been delves and
world quests and M zeroes right and weeklies right then it turned into
heroic splits normal splits right like clearing mythic into mythic splits right
like into mythic progression again I mean what a journey it has been I think
it's gonna be nice for everyone to have a little bit of time off perhaps
So you have a little time to relax.
Like I cannot imagine the amount of effort and time these players put in to prepare for being able to even have a chance in the race.
It's an insane amount of time.
Yeah.
So they will definitely take the upcoming break from the game, I'm assuming.
There's also one thing that also happens when you're playing the game this much.
People mean it a lot more in past years. I guess I heard more about it on Twitter
But I'm sure we'll hear some tweets about it from the race to world first players as well this time around
But it's like the post progress blues people used to call it. Hmm like your life has been
Waking up. No purpose. Yeah. Yeah, basically like your life was just like wow for a month plus
And now you wake up here like what am I gonna do with my time?
I have so much time like what am I going to do and you almost get a little bit like lost. Yeah, it's a it's a weird feeling
You know
Okay, here's an interesting question. Do we want to actually?
Kind of go to comms as well
So if we do get a kill we can hear the reaction as well
Yeah, I'm a man. I thought we do like when we start getting low don't worry. I'll be I'll be yelling as well
So it might get a little bit chaotic, but I I really want to hear that reaction right like to actually getting this kill and
Securing a world third for method at the same time. So we'll see if we can do both, okay?
At that point because like go on
There's nothing quite like hearing, you know the the
Exaltation as we find that kill and eliminate this him put this tier to bed after such a long grind
Yeah, I mean I'm down to just do all of p4
it comes but I think you just do your thing and let them know and it will all work out and I can
sit here with a smile on my face. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, can we go to get these soaks? We
looking good. Okay, we do it. Okay, I still do get a little like, I'm going to confess, I still
do get a little bit nervous. I'm traumatized actually from watching so many wipes out of that
particular, particular little incident of mechanics there. So it's good to see that we make it
through there. And this is when like the real pulled against like in my mind, watching this
progress. I'm like, okay, this is a real problem. Okay. Yeah. Before this, we were meaning, you know,
it is what it is. Like, I don't know, like maybe we died to some like random mechanic. But now
this is where the content really begins. Can we do a back to back phase four? Can we find
the kill that we've been looking for for nearly 500 polls?
And the boss again is just like so low there are a couple of marks where I look at the
boss house and I'm just like oh this is when the percentage is about there and it's melting.
Yeah.
So hopefully clean into P4 and just the player staying alive and the boss is for sure dead
on my screen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's already dead on my screen.
I'm actually from the future.
use it. I don't know how far in the future. So it could be this
pull, but it also could not be this pull. So my time travel
powers are sadly relatively useless as I can't give you any
more information than that. But here we go 20% on that boss
HP. It is looking very, very good so far. Got to keep it up
though. Remember, we still have that really scary part right
at the end of this, right? Like, you know, we're about to
go into that segment now, but we have incredibly limited
space limited time to execute these mechanics and unfortunately we're not quite going to make it.
How did that happen? I was very surprised because it seemed like they had the almost the easiest
solve of a memory game ever. The one guy died to constellation but we were fine and then we pop.
Unfortunate, boss was very low. Yeah, very unfortunate, very unfortunate,
but we pick ourselves up and we go again. I think it's going to be a very quick turn
turn around there. Just a simple mistake. I think, you know, it's, it happens. I think
not too much to talk about there really. And we're just going to go back and send it and
run it down again. Yeah.
Yeah.
It's very unfortunate to see a wipe like that. But it's still hard face. I know we talk
about like, Oh yeah, this is a real poll. Oh yeah, you know, we've got a CP for but
mistakes still happen. And yeah, if you just get clipped by that constellation, you
die, the memory game becomes confusing for whatever reason, it's death.
Yeah.
I wonder from like, obviously the amount of chapters and stuff in today's stream might
not be as high as it usually is because the race is over and we're playing for the
third, but how does it feel for you guys and when we get to these like later days?
I feel like being on this side of let's call it the desk. It's like the atmosphere is so much more relaxed
It's not that it was such a different
the other days, but it definitely is a different feeling and vibe in the air
I don't know how it is to watch it
Yeah, what do you what do you think chat? How are we feeling? We still hyped up so angel
I saw some good action that I think people are hyped up on that P4 pull
I you know
I wasn't reading the chat obviously because I only have two eyes. So I was looking directly at the action
But I will say in the corner of my eye
I did I think I saw a chat perk up a little bit. I think I saw chat
You know start to put some put some emotes get a little bit of a spam going there as well
Embracing the possibility of a kill anticipating perhaps a kill. I'm sure we're having a good time there as well
Hopefully you guys are enjoying the show, you know, it's having we this is my second time casting the
race to worlds first here on the method broadcast. It's been a lot of fun. I'm really glad to be back.
Yeah, it's just it's a pretty good time. I think so. Hopefully the chat is also been enjoying the show. I was gonna ask you said like the boss that you talked about and you your team like killed it first.
How much do you rate when that happens? Like new rate? How much do people rate in Guild Wars 2? I mean quite a lot like that one was honestly I'm gonna be honest here wasn't the hardest boss ever.
So it only took basically a day of raiding to kill but it happens and really challenging was that taken a week
In Guild Wars 2 and yeah, we'll play a lot like when when these ones come out like that
So this one was called like a challenge mode, which is just you know, it's a challenge challenge
It's not easy, but then there's also like legendary modes that also drops and those ones to really take quite a bit longer
To actually take down and people like David this for oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
That's that's it's you're similar kind of scenario like you'll take some time off
Right, I think yeah, I think the hours don't go quite as crazy as you know race towards first
I don't we you know, it's pretty uncommon to see people people pulling like 14 hour days
But yeah, like there's there's definitely a lot of time put into it
The thing is like of course there's no gear grind in the game, right?
So it's just like you just go in you just rate you just read there's no splits, right?
Like no myth plus that we're just logging in you're logging in and go in which I do
like to be honest I am I'm kind of an enjoyer of that I can definitely be in
that camp too no problem but that's why mom gamers I'm telling you tournament
realm for worlds first come on you know I don't want to see people memeing about
global release or this or that everyone on the tournament realm everyone has the
gear just send it like I don't know just make it happen make it happen let's
Let's make a petition, okay?
We can do a little petition, we can post on social media
and then Blizzard will have to bend to our whims.
That is how it works.
I have been for more of the style where make just
the hardest difficulty of a raid, at least as an attempt,
just be like scaled eye level.
Because then you don't need to get the gear
and stuff like that in that regard.
That could also work,
a lot of people and this is not me and but I understand that that can't they really rate mythic for the big loot
But I've always only rated for like the challenge of progression
And yeah, as you say this is world of warcraft
This is the game where the number goes up and it's fun when the number goes up, okay?
I'm not you know, I admit it, okay?
It is fun when you get that fat upgrade and you're doing big DPS
But you know I can tell I'm very much in the in your camp as well like if I could pick between the two
Yeah, I'm always gonna go with like the maximally competitive
Mode basically what we can just get in there not muck about with getting the eye level not get trolled by a
Why won't this trinket just drop man? Okay? Get me in and let's send it that will be definitely my preference
It would also allow for a lot more teams to compete or at least like try to dip their feet in because it's easier to take a week of work than take a month of work.
Yeah. You are talking about how like it's very difficult for anyone outside of the race guilds to really get any proper practice with kind of bleeding edge progression in World of Warcraft.
I feel like this is kind of a part of it right like if you don't have the ability to put this much time
And if you don't have the ability to actually engineer all of these split runs and like have 30 characters
It's like very even you're kind of like done before you started right like you're just not gonna be able to
Do it right you you're just gonna you just won't be able to which is very unfortunate
I think I would definitely prefer it if like anyone could theoretically have a go
I'm not saying it would change the outcome. In fact, it absolutely wouldn't right now.
Like I think even if you do go tournament realm, it's not like, oh yeah,
some random guild is going to suddenly win the race to Worlds first.
That's absolutely no way that would happen. You'd see the same familiar faces,
but it would at least open the door for the scene to further develop and become even more
competitive than it already is. Yeah. So I just looked back and saw what happened last fall.
What happens so it was now that's got clipped by the constellation obviously the tank on that side and
Argus was the
Argus our rogue had the mark that should go on top of now
Combine
But he started walking towards now and then obviously now spot is dead
So he's not moving maybe he's thought like now would move towards him as well
And they would collide and then he started walking back without them touching and now wants to take the rest as fast as possible
And he rest on top of another mark and that's how they exploded
That is a little bit unfortunate. Yeah, that's really unfortunate
but just goes to show the importance of you know having that clean like you know
I think a death in that part especially if it is somebody who has a mark is gonna make things very complex, right?
Like yeah, almost immediately especially if it's the tank, right?
Yeah, you don't want the boss to start going around. Yeah, I'm moving and stupid stuff to other people exactly
And of course, you know I personally I do like this. I think that I'm I'm not the biggest fan of tank privilege in the raid
Which is like, you know that the game will kind of let you get away with getting hit by stuff sometimes like cuz you're playing tank
It's like, okay, I should be I feel like I should be dead here, but I'm playing tanks
So I'm not so I it's good to see that the mechanic is very punishing
And yeah, but the consolation to do so much damage that you're really gonna have a hard time surviving that right like it is a
a huge amount of DPS. Well, damage if you get hit by one. Bro, look at the boss self.
It's 50% basically going into this. Yeah, at the start of P3, it's 50%. Like that is remarkable.
And I think one of our benchmarks earlier on was kind of like, wasn't it more like,
we want to get to like, below 55, right? Like, can I 50, 54, 53 was what we were looking for?
And we are just crushing that, getting the sub 50 there, some massive DPS.
And again, gamers start to wake up a little bit because this is where we are going to be pushing,
hopefully making it into that phase four once again.
We've just got to lock in, we've got to solve these memory games
and just get ready for that last super scary part of this phase.
Keep it focused, focus on the mechanics.
Our damage is so good that honestly,
I'm really hoping our raiders just play it safe. Don't greed for those extra globals. I know that
like every every strand of DNA and the DPS player's brain is telling them no no greed stay here for a
little bit longer I can get an extra extra extra global in on the boss but no don't do it just
focus on those mechanics take us to the end of that phase get us in to phase four yeah
Absolutely, like look at the boss. We have still the other group has to do the memory game while they're doing the souls
And then we're getting ready to take the last piece going into the pizza slice
And boss is already sixteen and a half. Oh
This is beautiful crazy. It is massive damage here from method 14 percent
This is gonna be one of I think this is gonna be one of our best pushes ever
It might be a 12% push into the final segment. It absolutely is. Method absolutely storming
forwards into this final stretch of phase three. But look, again, do not relax chat. Do not
do not relax because we have still got some really big challenges ahead of us. We have
to nail this memory game. Constellation wall a little bit spooky at the circle almost
running a little bit too soon, eager to solve that mechanic. However, I think it's looking
good. We get it done on this side, but that means we still got to do it on the other side.
It's not over just yet.
Boss is solo. Now you can hold everything if anyone is putting anything in here. Relax.
We don't want to be sending any damage right now. We just want to be locking in. We're
going into these final soaks. The boss about to face, almost like before this
Soak is even resolved or I think we I think we almost did hold a little bit there, right?
Potentially we should have everything this is phase four. We are in all we're going to we're going to hear the comms
We're gonna hear some reactions. I just
Yeah, not too long the first bloom can do on their show. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's so they're coordinating the immunities
For the different movements there to make sure that we actually manage to save players from these like rampaging
rampaging things. Moving in two, one, move. Here we go. We're still all good. We've got
the healer POV with some frames that are actually visible. That's what we need right now. One
and stop, stack up. Damage looking incredible by the way chat. Left. The boss is absolutely
melting. There's the left. There's the right call. And then left again. It's beautiful
here for method. We do have a denim tanner, but look at that. We get the res. The res
is so snappy for method right now and here comes the move but this is it if we can hold on for just
a little bit longer we could be looking at a killer here here come the next set of blazers we need
to make this good right oh no that's not a good death but maybe we can hold on all of the things
are rushing in we're losing more and more players yeah we're in trouble I think
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So unfortunate
Unbelievable pull from method not giving up until the very last moment when there was nothing left to hold on a
4% what we had to have one guys we had to have a single digit one
Okay, it had to be done. We've done it now. It's out of the way
Nobody panic. We just run it back and get it done next time
Froggers indeed. I love that about
But like yeah, I it's so unfortunate because we have the damage like it's so
Like visible for everyone to see that we're absolutely crushing this boss. Just have a couple of deaths that
can't happen and I really want to see again if it's the
Tank explosion of the ads goes a little bit early on that first or second place. Yeah
I think it was right because we had loads of those it looked like there were more than they were supposed to be of the
The fiends like crawling towards the raid there
So perhaps like a little bit too early on that so not all of them got cleared out
Just leaving to lean to those players getting clipped right by those things because again
That's that's the intended mechanic guys, right?
Like every time you stop you have a big surge of them right like loads of them emerge and and that the
The person who doesn't have the light has to use this like devastating burst to crush all of them
Giving you room to maneuver and it looks like it was just maybe use a fraction too soon
Yeah, and we see three people die to that yeah four people maybe even so it's like very very unfortunate
and then at the end also a place it's and
and hits around four people or something as well.
Yeah. But an incredible pull.
Incredible pull. It's great to see how calm everyone was.
I was loving that assign, like, because of course,
depending on how things went,
maybe you have your immunity available.
Maybe you had to use it, right?
To survive in some way throughout the encounter, right?
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So yeah, just calmly assigning, right?
Who's gonna do the first set?
Who's gonna use their immunity here to, again,
clean up some of those things rushing forwards, right?
because that is how you're gonna die.
Even if you have to give up damage right,
because obviously if you're a hunter, right,
you know, you can't necessarily do damage.
Like while you're in your immunity,
it's still gonna be worth it
to make sure that everyone survives
so the boss burns down.
Yeah.
And again, towards the end,
we see one of the blazers that can go to the left,
right, right before the enrage went right again,
but he didn't clip anyone, so I'm assuming it's fine.
But there is some of those things
that we need to work out because, yeah, that's before I think it was the second or third place
set, the tank smack went on like three ads instead of the 10 that spawns afterwards.
Yeah. Yeah. And then the boss just dies. Yeah. And of course, I do feel like that's a very easy
mistake to make, especially in the heat of the moment, because you start seeing them move out
and you go, Oh, this is it. I need to use it now. But of course, there is going to be a
bit of a timing element to that, where you need to see this like really big rush of all of them
Pushing out and yeah, you've got to get all them that you need to clear all of those and I think we're just going straight into another poll
Pretty much like a little quick break, you know
Maybe rehydrate perhaps I get some get some energy into the mix there search the legs
That's yourself often just go again because I mean that was again when you're wiping on these single digits
Especially on a phase like that where the boss dies very fast
That's a kill right like we know that we can do it now like that
mentally for me is we can we have killed this boss in a way now we just have to
fully lock it in and finish the job and look I'm saying Roy been lost internet
there's no way there's no there's no way that's was that the drawing disconnect
somehow in that hole was it afterwards I was after because that is just the I
I mean, that's just not, that's brutal.
Yeah, if that is the case, that is very sad.
Not sure if that would have been the kill,
but it would have been a lot closer at least,
because she died quite early on.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, it was after the wipe, okay,
so well, at least that was okay.
Yeah, I mean, that would be heartbreaking, right?
Like, you know, technical issues are never fun
to deal with, like, even in the best of times,
But I mean, that would have been,
it really feels bad moment, obviously.
Like you don't wanna be,
you don't wanna be wiping on a kill pool to a disconnect.
That's just incredibly frustrating.
But not the case.
So you're gonna be a bit of a reconnect situation here.
That's it.
Just wait for that, obviously.
Little bit of downtime,
but the team has gotta be feeling good after that.
Like fully energized, ready to go.
Just a couple of, just at that final point,
really just ironing out using that massive cone of light
to destroy the Voidlings, and this boss is completely dead.
K-Ness trying to make me talk about the OSRS again.
Guy has finally logged into the game
after a month and a half.
Aye, aye, aye.
Yeah.
What else is going on in the camp?
What's the chat saying?
I've just been talking to CK9 and Jappi.
Don't give him too much credit guys, he's a traitor on the side of the stream.
And also I do have to give a bit of a shout out to Cana actually, because Cana was pivotal
in helping me actually be casting here on the Race Worlds first.
So thank you very much.
You know, if you've been enjoying me casting, then there you go, VIP in the chat is partly
responsible for that.
Enjoy.
I mean he's very responsible for me starting to cast as well multiple, multiple, multiple tiers ago now.
And so if you don't enjoy me, you know, it's also his.
Me and Kena, we're good friends. We've known each other for a very long time now.
So.
Oh, also wait, what was that production by the way? Did you say we're going through a break shortly or?
Not sure what was happening then.
I did not hear anything.
Oh, I'll get Robin back shortly. Okay, okay.
That is fine then. The reconnection is happening, which is always good. I'm a spy? I don't think so. Unless I'm a double agent to the point where I don't even know, it could be possible.
Could be possible, could be possible.
Yeah, Robin is just dead now as opposed to offline. So I believe we have actually a reconnective
Which is looking good
Yeah, now we're playing while people are talking about the OSRS leagues. Yeah, we're hyping up hyping up
Yeah, people are always trying to get me to play OSRS actually. Oh, that's yeah
Yeah, come play old school RuneScape, let's give it a go.
It's so good.
Yeah.
I do have an affinity for that type of game for sure, like the older, the old school stuff.
I'm a big classic fan.
Actually, I'm a really, really big classic fan.
I'm really excited to hear when they inevitably confirm Classic Plus, we know it's coming.
They might, you know, they'll mess around, don't play Koi, we know what's happening.
I'm going to be really looking forward to that.
I definitely would like to give RuneScape a try.
I've been playing a couple of,
I don't want to think about it,
I'm a little bit careful with what MMOs I end up playing,
okay, because I got one MMO that I was super hype for
and I was really looking to get into
and I played a lot of, was New World, okay?
And because I love PVP, World PVP, right?
I love the World PV in classic.
It's one of my favorite things about the game, right?
And New World came out,
I played the alpha and the beta, I was really into it, like me and a friend of mine who were both in the alpha, we put hundreds of hours into this like scuffed ass, unfinished game, right?
And it was amazing, okay, and then they do a complete 180, stop talking about, yeah, they stop focusing on PvP and completely essentially make the game dead on arrival.
So I'm very hesitant to commit too early. I believe I am cursed if I touch a game it will die instantly
So I'm not going anywhere near that
Yeah, it is what it is
Classic boss could kill retail of all new content. I do you don't think so no I mean either
Like because because I think both of the games have their strengths and have their weaknesses
Like when it comes to classic in retail, there's loads of good reasons that you would really love classic and not like retail
and vice versa. And that's why I actually love what Blizzard has done so much with all of these
different versions of WoW is because you're never going to have classic players or people who love
that classic style of MMO and retail happy in retail. That's just not going to happen. It's
simply not going to be the case. You aren't going to be able to make the game work for those
two groups of players because the design philosophies have diverged so much from classic to now in
retail. I'm not in a bad way by the way. There's amazing things about retail and there's amazing
things about classic that are obviously different that it makes a huge amount of sense and I just
love the fact that you know if I'm done with the retail season I can log on to classic and send
some of that and I really look forward, I really really look forward to having Classic Plus as
this continual version kind of old-school RuneScape style approach to World of Warcraft
and also retail running at the same time like I particularly really enjoy like hardcore wow as well
that's really fun uh too so I definitely recommend giving it a try if you haven't also
what is this method internal high uggs yeah I don't know perhaps uh slacking on reloading the UI
keeping the uh keeping the method internal stuff up to date no idea no idea but yeah I
For me, I just don't think Classic Plus will be a success in any sort of way, if how you think you're gonna fix the game is just adding more content.
I think that's just the wrong way of looking at it completely.
And I love Classic WoW, like trust me.
But it is like this.
I love the Degen stuff about Classic WoW.
I love Devilsor having 15 minute respawn, not the 8 seconds.
It should be a cesspool of mafia and guilds fighting to keep the gold in their pockets.
Yes, absolutely. You should be getting ganked as you're trying to get into the raid.
You should be fighting over world bosses.
You should have to watch out for nefarious priests trying to dispel you.
I love this. It is amazing. It is content.
Like, you should be, you know, when you're fishing, trying to gather up some fish, maybe farming up some consumables,
you should be looking over your shoulder to see if there's a gnome road sneaking up on you.
That's amazing. It's so good. I absolutely love, uh, I love a class, like an all-of-that-kind-of-player conflict that comes from a...
Yeah.
Okay? I have this one particular story out, because I really like Winter Spring.
That's one of the spots I'd farm. I'd farm the Furbolgs, right?
Uh, to, you know, get the Firewalls. That was, like, a good way to get gold.
And of course rich thorium vein there as well, which is made it into a really really nice farm
And of course this is a contested spot right you had horde and alliance there and I did I remember this one guy was on horde
Okay, and we were finding we were PVPing over this area and he would you this guy was going buzzer
He was saying we will farm them until they realized that this belongs to us. I was like, yeah
That is classic. That is a classic while moment right there. That's what I'm talking about
Yeah, I mean that that's the vibes. That's the vibe
But I think more and more from what I've seen when developers are looking at this stuff
They're removing more and more of that stuff
Because a lot of people are very vocal about this like in that part of the game also obviously
so I personally have my gripes with the
hoping that classic plus will restore let's say this
the classic feeling of old world worker. Yeah. Who knows? I would say like... So D gave me quite a bit
of hope actually, because we added stuff like the Blood Moon, which was a little bit stuff at the
start. Once they kind of figured out how they wanted it to go and change it a couple of times,
I think the Blood Moon was really fun. I think Ashenvale PDP was pretty okay as well. I love
the new Raid design actually. That was so cool to see a slightly more set of, you know,
slightly more fleshed out encounters in a classic, you know, in a very classic sense, but also just
with a little bit more to them, I found that to be really cool. I love the ideas of all the new
crazy items and stuff. We can probably make it in the soaks though, okay? Oh, oh, oh!
Yeah, we're jumping into the middle and dying. I understand what you're saying. I think the
The thing that makes me look at it the wrong way is the path you're going down, like okay
in retail it's very seasonal, you're playing the patch, that's how people do it, they play
the patch.
In classic WoW it has been the same but all you're doing now is you're playing the
face.
And so if you take SOD, and the big problem I think it spawned, is really a lot of many
people liked phase one.
But when phase two came out, phase one is not the same anymore.
Yeah, I am.
When phase three came out, phase one and phase two are not the same anymore.
And if you go down that path, you will end up with the same stuff.
Like, there's no other way to go but up.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, this is the killer problem the souls. How do you make the game eternal?
Like how do you make it keep going when you add something it doesn't replace the old thing very very difficult to do because you know
Hey, Guild Wars 2 does it, but of course Guild Wars who doesn't have a gear grind, right?
Like you don't have you know loot in the same way that you do in World of Warcraft and
Of course, I feel like a really core component of wow is getting these new items, right?
So I think they're gonna have to go for kind of a more horizontal approach and it's it's hard to do and still keep it as
Wow, or they have to make the progression really really long because I feel like I'm
Something that's really interesting about OSRS is that OSRS of course does add new items
That may or may not be stronger than existing ones
They're in the game, but I feel the real key the magic of how OSRS works is that
It's just level 99, but there's they haven't added another level a hundred
You know you can't go to 120
I know there's a couple of skills in RuneScape 3 where you can do that right yeah like OSRs
They did add a new skill of course with sailing but broadly speaking the finish line stays the same
It's just that it's so far away that basically nobody gets there right so you the game
But if you think about it for most people almost all people who play old-school RuneScape the game has infinite progression
right like you will the number will go up and it will never stop going up but
almost everyone who plays that game and I think really powerful because it means
that you have this ultra long-term goal that you're working towards consistently
but the goal post doesn't move and that's the I think the issue that you
have to avoid in class again I think why so many people kind of burn out on
retail and have gripes with retail is because this game moves so fast like
Think about this, we're grinding, we're getting up to 29 eye level, in six months, this stuff's junk, right?
It's another season, more dungeons, another rage, right? And we're going to, I don't know, like 350 or whatever eye level it's going to be, right?
Yeah, I mean, it's like, I completely agree with you. I mean, to the point where I'm definitely considered actually putting my voice out there, and like, making a video about this stuff, because
I hear so many very like strong voices in like the classic plus community
They are paving the same path they are
outspokenly against when it comes to what they don't enjoy about the seasonal feel of retail if you're building classic plus and you're
Thinking in faces at all you have missed the point
Yeah, it can't be seasonal
So yeah
But on OSRS as well like obviously I mean about Kena being a traitor and stuff. I'm very good friends with him
I'm very good friends with him and we play in a group Iron Man in old school
Together
Right now it's us like me Kena and my girlfriend. It's us three holding the band together everyone else has forsaken us
But when you take Iron Man in runescape like in old school runescape specifically
the amount of stuff you have to do like we have played an insane amount of hours for six months
like I'm telling you I have over a hundred days like 115 days played in six months in old-school
runescape and I'm just now starting to like touch best-in-slot gear pieces and it's not that
we're not out gearing and people are always saying like runescape is very horizontal progression
It is, but it has an insane vertical element to it too. You go from Barrel Scare to Moon Scare to
you know, Oath Plate or
like
Missouri
You go Bofa and stuff like this for people in Ozurus that knows what these items mean
but there is a big like gear upgrade per system in Ozurus as well
it's just that it takes a long time to get there and
and you have to be if you're willing to put in like a hundred hours for one item and
You enjoy the feeling you get when you spoon that item in 50 hours instead of 150
Playing Iron Man in old school runescape is gonna make your life the best life
You've ever played in any animal ever like you're gonna be playing that game for years and just enjoying every single time
You get something you have been wanting for weeks or months even
It's insane. Yeah
And well, we'll have to see if that will be replicable in a version of World of Warcraft.
But we are actually back on a pole and I do want to kind of cast my eyes over to it.
Seeing as we are so locked in right now, there's a little wiggle of the eyebrows from Fanna.
I think that's an omen of things to come throughout this pole going into phase two.
But well, let's just see what the damage is looking like.
I think a spoiler alert, it's going to be pretty good.
And again the consistency from that that has been very very strong. We did have that little meme wipe on
Phase one there, but that's gone a internet has been restored. We are looking good
Yeah, everything is looking great boss is
Somewhat low we have one more rotation to go
So it will be giga low going into that p3 that we have been seeing most of the time today
Let's just hope that they in p3 because I'm expecting we have no problems in p2, but
We don't miss those soaps going into P3 and then we don't fail our memory games, which has been most of the faults when we have been wiping to P3 now.
And here we go, final damage event. We've got these spreads and look, let's just make sure we catch these little, get all these soaps.
And then we're going to be into phase three, 52%. I think that's not our best burn ever.
One person left, but we live.
Yeah, we live, so we're actually fine, I think.
We get the combat res.
Should be good.
Yep.
And again, we're a little behind, but it's more than good enough, right?
We're not, I'm not worried about the damage check-in.
Oh, no, no, no. Damage is not a problem.
Um, staying alive is the problem now.
If we all stay alive, we will go into P4.
Hopefully, we can kill the boss this time.
Diamond.
And the X memory game is done on this side.
Not a pretty relaxing consolation, I just have a ring around the raiders now. We've got to play these soaks
Memory game on the other side presumably going okay
Spooky consolation, but we make it hold on whoa
I was a bit spicy like the red pen is not showing so we're like yeah hoping that all 20 live, but it looks good
It does look good. Like I feel like it things would be
we probably already be dead.
Like if something was going wrong on the other side,
I think it would just be over.
But I think everyone is,
and the damage does look good actually.
So we can, I think like we can kind of deduce
from the fact that the boss HP looks good
that everyone is in fact alive on the other side as well.
That's true.
And now we have soaks into memory game.
And after this, we used to say that a good pool
was like around, you know, 19, 18, 17,
17 if you were on a heater and you see here already. We haven't even gotten to the memory game part and we're at 19% right now
So boss is absolutely melted damage. It's not a problem. It's really just like staying alive and we will see
Yeah, I believe we failed was that I think I was a failure on this side, right? I think we just look like it
Yeah, collect connected into the in a wrong way and unfortunately wipe the group
Yeah, I mean it was still it's still a very solid pole obviously it just is
getting that survival like our damage was completely fine there the boss was
melting and we were so very close to making it into phase 4. Look 7 that was
pull number 493 seven more pulls to make it sub 500. Yeah I mean I think they
can do it I am definitely rooting for them obviously but it's so doable
it's crazy really just getting there to be honest I'm minimalistic minimalizing
the amount of effort you have to put in obviously they're very good players and
they have 500 pulls of this boss there's no by any means like a super easy boss
but compared to what they have been practicing with this is like the
anime moment when when the guy has had taken off his ankle weights and it's
just like running in like a million miles per hour that's really what is
happening this reset song. For these players, it really is just getting there and then playing
phase four clean. For everyone else, obviously, it's still extremely extremely extremely hard
boss. I'm not trying to minimize the effort or anything like that. It would be what it
would be. Yeah, it's just every player has to perform nearly perfectly, essentially
perfectly throughout the entire thing. Like it cannot make any mechanical error or it's
is just going to be a wide, like the level of focus and just intent required to make it
through is remarkable. And then of course you get all the way to the end. And we have been
talking about how, oh yeah, phase four is not that hard. Bear in mind, we mean in relative
terms, we mean compared to the stuff that's before, you still have to execute. And it's
a phase that you haven't played yourself. It's all well and good to look at VODs and have
strategy meetings, right? And have little pictures that were drawn, right, on how to do it.
You've got to be in there and you've got to play it like that is a fundamentally different experience and you just don't have that many opportunities right like when we've seen guilds killing it's been
Single digit attempts right like to actually secure that kill so you have to be ready
You have to be ready to know exactly what to do to listen to those calls from biff
To use immunities when you're supposed to right and have that presence of mind to perform your role in phase four
Yeah, what's crazy here is like they had the memory game because I just looked at the pole
and Dragno was calling the side that actually screwed up the memory game this pole and he's
saying diamond go first and the diamonds are on like two complete upsides of the constellation
so they're like waiting for the constellations to go and then the X is just collide.
Yeah, the X is one and of course that's not allowed.
I was trying to I was almost going to just think you know explain at the time, but they did get a really mean consolation
I think and where those diamonds spawn was like deeply unfortunate
But yeah, like you just have again you just need this like crazy level of awareness, right to actually pull this off
I mean
that is where we're standing right now, but
Hopefully we get there again this ball
The damage was insane, like we've been saying and reiterating time and time again, but it really is not a damage check at all anymore this weekend.
We just need to play those memory games.
100% we absolutely do.
And you know, we have to wait so long to get back to phase 3.
We have to do all of this.
It's crazy.
We've got to do phase one.
And the worst part is they still might die because it's still super hard to get this done consistently.
Like we've obviously been practicing for such a long time that our phase ones are really, really good.
But there's always that risk, you know, it must be so intense to have to be focused.
Because you know that you've got to get through the first, what, seven minutes of the fight, right?
To really get to the part where it starts to get very, very spicy and you're starting to get a little bit excited
about potentially being up the lock in the kill.
But yeah, I mean like even as the viewer I'm thinking I come on let's go
We've got to get back there, but every pull is a journey
Yeah, it really is and I see people are asking or at least thinking about like where do methods stand in like the race overall
Etc. I think this tier would probably be a lot of talk about how they didn't manage to kill it before resets
Because for a long time that is what Message went for basically.
At least if they kill it the same reset as Echo and Liquid, even if they happen to get
third, then you are like, we're there, we just need to optimize.
But unfortunately this time around we're getting to kill in the reset afterwards and
that feels a little bit worse I think from the player's perspective, but they also had
We had this unfortunate thing where the prep and the splits and heroic week and everything made the race go so long that we had the player that had to go back to work.
Which means like two days before the reset we swapped out the player, changed the comp, meant we put in people with lower eye level so it really is hard to say how they feel about it right now.
They're obviously competing for World First and they're gonna get third.
It doesn't feel great, whatever the reason is obviously.
Yeah, you know, obviously, you know, it's always nice to clear this early, right?
It's an incredible achievement.
But yeah, these players are competitive, right?
Like they are not gonna be happy with anything except the win.
That is just, that's just the mentality of a competitor, guys.
It really is that simple, right?
And yeah, we can say, wow, they're amazing players.
That is 100% true.
But for these teams, they want to win, right?
Like they want to be in that top spot.
They want to be the ones that take that boss down first.
But see the final phase for the first time,
like that is what the competitors of Method
are looking for.
And we're not gonna get it this time.
We're not gonna get it this time.
Typing in chat mid-pull. What is this? Okay? What is going on?
We're almost getting terminally relaxed here, Babs in these early phases, but it's good to see you know
Honestly, a little bit of fun, right? A little bit of fun in the pools. I think it's good actually, right?
Like we like to see that so the the one guy wrote him like oh you were mean basically to now and then now
Now basically just replied hot stuff. Yeah
Yeah, all right, hot stuff.
Well, look, spirits are high then.
We'd love to see that.
I think our damage is looking very good actually
on this board, too.
Like we had a strong showing in phase one, I think.
Let's see what we can enter.
Phase three, I think it could be potentially on course
for a sub 50%, we'd love to see that.
Yeah, and if that is the case,
like we've been saying,
I hope that they have some cooldowns
They're putting off that they can at least hold off on until they know if they need them
Because we saw it we pushed so early last time we got into p4 it almost well a little bit wonky with like one group
Being close to the middle and one grouping back right
It's no reason not to hold off for a couple of seconds there so you don't
Do anything wonky but
Was damage looking insane
Yeah, looking really really good right now. Of course we have this final. Oh, hold on, it's a bit spicy, but we got there
One res up, it's fine. Yep. Yeah, that spread was a little bit chaotic
I think perhaps more so than usual, but again we get through that final overlap
We get that res up and it's not quite gonna be a sub 50
But I think it's gonna be what a 51% something like that, which is of course completely fine. Yeah, not an issue
Okay, let's just get these soaks.
Picking these soaks.
Oh, we're gonna detonate.
We are going to explode.
So, we should die there.
I wonder if, like, he dies and then his group obviously doesn't have that soaker.
I wonder if that is what happened.
Yeah.
Very much the case.
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You'll be sitting refreshing a forum hoping that you know you get the new spice inside stuff.
You have to wait for someone to post a kill video or a screenshot. Come on.
Unbelievable. We might not have even heard about the secret. Let's think about that.
That was crazy.
They wouldn't have leaked the secret face, because they were there to keep it locked down
off secret situation.
Yeah, that hype back then though, you know, refreshing certain sites and just being like,
what happened now?
You see like, oh, this guild killed this boss.
Or even people, you know, basically if that was the case and people are as triad as
is now
The top guilds would probably just like every time they step into basic
They would just go in with 10 other or 20 other characters into a complete like dead lockout
Just to like hide which
Like players are playing what come they're running. Yeah hide the comms, right? Yeah
Stuff like that was what they used to do back in the day is like
like people went in on their server slash who the guild see how many are entering the
reds like oh they're entering mythic but people would definitely try to hide at it.
Let's try hard as everyone is right now.
Maybe it's time to go back to that like we'll just instead of streaming actual progress
we'll just stream just a blank screen until we kill and then you just have to keep
watching and see when it's going to be revealed.
not sure that would be quite as compelling viewing, perhaps, as what we're doing right now.
Yeah, Kana said that they still try to hide comps and stuff on PTR. Yeah, that makes complete
sense. I remember it was some, I'm not saying drama, but it was some meme about some player
from one guild in Race 12 first finding the entire other guild sitting target dummy
testing. It's just like tweeting at pictures like, oh, hello, ex-guild. I don't remember
from Echo finding liquid or one from liquid finding echo, but that stuff is hilarious.
Oh, yeah. It is. It's another thing I think just makes the competition all the more all
the better really is that everyone basically everyone in the race, I feel like knows everyone
else, right? Like everyone's kind of friends mostly, right? Like it's very chill, loads
of fun banter and just honestly, just great respect right between the guilds. You
know, I love to see the sportsmanship that is, you know, so often on display
here between all the teams and yeah just like that like everyone's everyone's like very chill with each other everyone's friend is like
It's a really good thing to say
Yeah
This event has grown into something I did not expect
Whatever happened when I started playing so
Fun time to be alive. Yeah, it absolutely is and well we're on this poll now
Let's hope it's a fun. Well, let's hope it's not a fun time to be alive if you're Lura
Okay, although I mean Lord is particularly upbeat to be honest like not the not the happiest character in the universe regardless
For red pal then seems also to not be fun if you're left
Well, I'm kidding. He got red back up. We're all good. Gosh
No, that's that Colin like like I feel we've made this joke a couple of times
We'll do it once more for good, you know for good measure like if you keep keep up like that like that discourse gone again
You know that right?
They're gonna be demanding, uh, they're gonna be demanding both so that you survive whatever happened there to cause that death. Yeah, should have lived. Look how bad rat is. Okay. It's unacceptable that we actually ended up dying.
actually ended up dying. Rats should be invincible. Like you should be invincible.
I don't think this has ever been that extreme where people are like threatening,
killing class discourse. I don't understand how we're in this situation.
I like you gotta do what you gotta do. Like, you know, what power, what influence you have. You
have to exert it to save all of the, you know, save all of your brethren who made the same
same spec I guess. Unfortunately it was not the pull.
Unfortunately it was not. Yeah. It is what it is my friends.
Using vital stream time we have here on air watching method pull for world
third. Asking me what I've formed in OSRS bro.
Yeah. It's a good question. It's been a little bit of serp,
a little bit of Raxor, a little bit of Yama,
a little bit of doom, not a lot of luck anywhere and then just skilling and vibing.
Yeah, you'll cry about drop rates and wow, but I'm pretty sure it's like nothing compared to like
how much time you need for OSRS, right? Like, yeah, you need to do some pretty serious grinds.
Like, I'm always so impressed. Like when I see like, wow, you know, people are talking about
kill counts, like in the thousands or even tens of tens of thousands. Like, wow, okay, that is
these people are insane. That's, that's, that's kind of something.
So the biggest thing I've gone through thus far is something Kena, I'm saying locked out on, but basically Kena was on-rate.
So there's something called the corrupted gauntlet, it's like a rogue-like within OSRS.
It drops crystal armor and the second best bow in the game called Bofa.
The bow has a 1 in 400 drop chance and one run takes around 10 minutes.
If you die you don't get any loot right so you could play for 10 minutes die at the end
And then you just like you didn't even get to roll the one in 400. I
Found that for me and my girlfriend and it took
1600 kills to get both of them, but to get my first one took
1330 or something and
That was like a long time
I was to get the first one and Kana got it in like 430 like basically on the rates and then yeah, it was a rough time
Yeah, that's tough. That's that's just the way it goes sometimes
RNG take it away
Unless I would just you know tidying up after that wipe and going again like oh, I tell you what I'm starting to get a little worried
Okay, because I've only got 52 minutes left
They think today so they need to get a move on can we kill the boss?
Please don't make it be on my last pull of the day. Don't do that to me method. That's true, bro
But they might that would be pretty high so like you know that I can be that would be pretty exciting if they
Didn't going that one last pull of the shift get the kill
Yeah, like Tina said apparently basically
Yeah, I played, I had spent like 11 days of my life in CG farming for that item.
Was it worth it?
I think so. I mean it, like when I got it I was very happy.
It was a good time and you know, I haven't really dipped my toe into that hard of a grind just yet.
I haven't like locked my character to a certain content piece or something.
I'm more dipplin and dabblin in different stuff rather than just like lucky myself to doom or something and
Waiting until I loot multiple of her neck trebs. Yeah
But it do be what it do be
We're looking at wow. We are indeed
We were looking at Lura phase one once again for the five five hundred thirty a time or something
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well according to the progression tracker
We are still under 500, so we can still make it.
Under 500 pulls, although, oh, I suppose
that's rather interesting, like, because of the way
that, of course, these pulls are being tracked,
I guess we don't know the true attempt count.
It probably is, like, don't want to be that guy,
but it probably is over 500, like, some of them,
the extra pulls will have been, you know,
accidental pulls or whatever, but some of them
will have been legitimate wipes to the kick mechanic,
for sure.
So we probably are over 500, but I choose to go
with the number that says 495.
We can still make it if we get this done in under five pulls.
And look, as we've been saying this entire time,
any one of these pulls can be the pull.
It really is that symbol, guys.
Like any one can be the run
because we are just so good on damage.
We are so good on the consistency.
And we just need one clean shot at that phase four
and midnight falls will have fallen.
Yeah, and I said, okay, bye-bye.
Well, it's not going to be that one.
Not that one.
Not just yet.
Little memory game is up.
But yeah, I said what?
It dies within four to nine pulls now, right?
Yeah, four to nine pulls.
So I really think you could be vindicated.
It's not impossible.
Yeah.
I hope it will happen.
Cause I don't know what we do like you said in 50 minutes.
Oh, it's gonna have to be who's on next.
I'm like, at that point, like then we really
saw that that's the case.
Wait, actually, who is no one is anyone on next.
Oh, I guess it would just be cons then.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Uh-oh.
Well, there really are on the clock then.
Yeah.
Yeah, move on.
What are we doing?
Time to lock in.
Yeah, it's time.
Yeah, it is time.
It actually is time.
No, the cast to curse has not it was applied, but there's three droids.
They just dispelled it.
Not a big deal, guys.
Okay.
And the match.
And a major.
Well, listen, majors don't they don't spend a global on that.
Okay.
Like they they don't.
We're trying.
amount of times I've heard I'm in my combust bro I'm surging I can't discolourate it
that's why they should put stuff like this off global yeah then there's no excuse yeah
but then they make it so that in like in a sauce tier when everyone had the corruption
mage was playing with uh what was it called um
ah there was an essence at least that made it so that when you spend
And a global you had a chance to like proc to get your fire blast back.
So does that actually value to dispel them potentially?
You can get a fire blast.
Exactly, well interrupt is off global.
So in your opener or in your combust window, you're spending interrupt for DPS increase.
It doesn't matter if the boss is casting or not, I'm pressing that button off global
because it gives me a higher chance of getting that Fire Blast proc.
Hmm, that was, uh, that was fine.
That, I do actually rather like that type of design, actually, because I thought they'd done this with a couple of the kicks, right?
When you get an interrupt successfully, you get a bonus.
I think that's actually really nice. Like, you know, I think shamans get some defensive value, um, you know, death knights get some runic power, right?
Like, I think stuff like that is really good, because it, like, encourages you to engage with these really important mechanics.
I'm not sure if there's any dispels that are like that, because obviously, like, getting a dispel is, like,
It's own reward in a way. That's obviously like a really impactful thing
But I guess you could say the same thing about kicks as well using ccs
Oh, no, maybe maybe that's the way if we if we make it so that kicking and dispelling is a DPS increase for everyone
Look, that's how you get DPS
Look, you want to talk about how to get DPS players to actually use their class utility to actually use the spell actually use a
Kick like just make them do more damage than that. Look, I guarantee you they'll be fighting over who gets to use the dispel
Yeah, for the longest time it was like you said you know DH also got fury when interrupting.
So every time there was like one interrupt somewhere we had this DH he liked to do a
lot of damage.
He's like just assign it to me just let me have it like I'll get it trust me you
know.
I was like I need to get it I need to do my damage yeah those vibes.
We'd like to see a gachi hyper in the chat by the way excellent choice of a moat though
It even rose we have that enabled here
Let's do this
You know, I do like the Royven POV because the frames are actually readable. Yeah
I am a big fan of this UI. I thought this is one of the most readable UIs in method and I like that.
It's very standard, simple, with colors. I think it's basically all a new UI needs to be readable.
And a lot of vanilla too, of course. I think we've got some unit frame out on there, but I think it's vanilla frames, right?
Maybe with a couple of tweaks and so on. Yeah, it's probably using the co-down manager course. I'll
symbol button add on there as well on the left hand side, but
Yeah, this is a big fan big enjoyer of this ui for sure
But you see her prox on like left side where she has like
I don't know what they're called for as the drill, but you know
Ucast next to you is not going to cost man. It's stuff like that. Yeah when she has two but now she has three buffs
And now two buffs that one
It overlaps with innovate when she has innovate up
So next time you see her have innovate up, you know, it overlaps a little bit for people like that. Yeah, that's all CD in the chat
I just want to point it out for all of you. Yeah, that is not allowed. Oh clicks is very low here, but she'll be fine
Right, I think you need to heal them up as soon as we get into the dark. Well. Oh
Well, there you go. That'll do it
That was a Leon hands car Leon hands from the power that I'd say after sure this boom
Zapping the Sharma back up the full HP. This is also Roypen was not even targeting him
Yeah, so I imagine that was like even communicate right?
Yeah, I'm just gonna just gonna send it so the heels can work on doing what they need to be doing in this phase
Well, let's see if we can get a good attempt boss HP once again looking very very good
Getting below 60% already got another two mechanical sets. Mm-hmm in this phase two
What do we think? Does die this ball chat?
Is there something that is the chat curse?
I don't know. I mean let's try it out. Let's see what happens.
The chat said I was here.
So I guess it dies.
Yeah. No way they can wipe from here.
I'm loving that confidence. Actually that's good.
Putting you guys to the test now. Yeah. Yeah. It is literally impossible to white it cannot be done. I
Mean, I'm happy everyone is on board. Let's go. Yeah, the world's third. Yeah, the chat is very excited
We should be a little bit low here
but the healers
Magnificent recovery restoring everyone up final couple of damage. It's a boss HP looking really good once again
as we would expect. It's going to be again kind of that very low 50 even 49 as we go into phase 3 proper.
We've got to get these soaks and we'll do it. All right. Very nice.
World first in my eyes too.
Here we go. Phase now begins and yeah look at that boss. That's 49% that was 49% when we
actually started these mechanics that is incredible. Just played this memory game. Consolation a little
bit annoying. X's first into the circles. Yeah it was good very patient from the team that's exactly
what we need right now. Yeah it really is this cadence of if you're lucky with the constellation
the first team can go before the first constellation otherwise you're planning for
two after first constellation and then the third set has time to do it after the second one.
Oh, no, we're dead. Oh
That was a failed memory game. I think I see a distance. Yeah, they fell the other side of the memory game
Yeah, I just saw that on the death log. Oh
That's unfortunate. Can't believe you guys. Yeah, the chat was wrong once again. I
Cannot believe you guys. Yeah, I blame the chapter that white like you know, you can blame me for some of them
But not that one's on you
Yeah
It castes beta and look I've method baited us with that insane DPS push
That's how it is for us, right? We get baited all the time. Hmm. It looks like a good pull
Yeah, just just do it forehead and it does not happen the chant is caught. I love the court emote
I think it's one of the most powerful emotes that exists
It's just look at look at him. Look at the smiley. He he knows what he's done and
realizes that
Yeah, like I've you got me
That's just like this except he accepts it like the smiley has accepted reality
But he has done something wrong and has been caught. No
But what is this dyb is more powerful, this is a kind of tree tree themed emotes
Some gifted subs from fault if I get much indeed
You want a break?
I'll be a break after that, you know, just, you know, keep fresh, because obviously like
that, you know, I am going to be that guy.
I feel like that white probably shouldn't have happened, right?
Like that, you know, that's not the really hard part of that phase.
I feel like messing up that memory game is like, uh, okay, we shouldn't be doing
that at this point in progress.
I agree with you, you know.
but saying those things, you know,
it can get you in trouble sometimes.
It has worked out thus far for me.
Let's go on comms and tell them.
Let's beam our voices and say, guys, come on.
Okay, we should not be...
What the F are you doing?
What are you doing?
Stop.
Hello?
It's three symbols.
It's three symbols, guys.
Come on.
Just remember the symbols, bro.
Come on.
Also, we do actually have
the cast of curse counter 8.5.
We need to add the chat curse counter though,
which is now incremented to one.
So they're catching up to us.
How we, what's the 8.5 by the way?
Like what, how have we cursed half a run?
What does that even mean?
That is true.
497 pulls by the way.
497 pulls.
So if we can do it in two or less,
sub 500 otherwise it is going to be an over 500 pull boss the method in 50 seconds raining on the
break what is this uh image depicting by the way is it we have a kind of green character are they
being sucked in to this black hole are they are they falling like what what is the the image here
we're re-logging ah there's one thing that happens when you spend a lot of time with a lot of
people. The inside jokes have inside jokes and you have no idea what they're even talking about.
So I mean half of these pictures I'm sure is very very funny to the writers but to us it's
hieroglyphics. Yeah we have no comprehension of what they're attempting to communicate.
Well that one's pretty clear at least I feel like that one you know we don't need to
fully understand the context I feel like to understand what's going on there.
But yeah, it is indeed the ancient text. The break is now over. It looks like a bit of a game restart.
This is just a thing, right? I don't know what it is about video games, but
it seems like if you run the game for longer, it just slowly degrades.
Funnily enough, it is the same in Guild Wars 2, by the way.
Like, I know that a lot of people say, oh yeah, it's, you know, wow is made by Grock or something.
Actually, this happens in Guild Wars 2 as well. If you run the game for too long,
the performance degrades. I have no idea why this seems to happen in a lot of these games, but
it is where it is. I think we even saw like a full group restart at Prague at some point because
everyone's game is just slowly imploding in performance and you just have to restart to
fix it. It's just the way it goes. And then someone can take what you just said, make it in
clip posted on Twitter and then ask Grock if it's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But aren't
all these AIs are they kind of primed to validate you? Oh yeah. I say, oh yeah, this is a thing.
Right. I love watching this guy on like YouTube shorts that is just like trolling AI. It's
It's so funny, it's so funny.
It's the dumbest stuff as well.
Like recently he made a video
and he's like sitting there with sunglasses on.
And he's like, yeah, I just took off my sunglasses.
Do you like how I look?
And AI is like, yeah, it looks great.
I see you don't have your sunglasses on at all.
And then he takes them on, takes them off.
He's like, oh yeah, I put them on now.
What do you think now?
And he's like, yeah, I see them,
It looks great. It's like, bro, relax.
See some elemental shower.
I thought this is one of the P.A.V.s
that I haven't seen that much, actually, on.
Time me guy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
See some elemental shaman here from clicks.
Very vanilla UI.
That is a memory game, Phil.
Someone's drunk.
Someone got pinged.
Yeah.
Well look, this is a tales old time really guys, like you know whenever you're progressing
and no guild is immune to this you have your progression then you have your regression
and then eventually you manage to kill it, that's just the way it goes, right?
Bro, playing this game after Ping's game out was like a cultural shock to me because
The amount of people that are so lucky into their pings now, every time you make a mistake
you're getting pinged.
It feels like you're being personally called out on a visceral level.
I don't think my mental can handle it.
So it's a rough one out there.
Wow, it's crazy to me.
vibes for a good time but when you make that mistake that wipes the raid on you
know 0.0% like some other guilds and the pings come and start yeah yeah that's
tough yeah you feel that yeah but all I mean at least it's not a question mark
thing right because we have that like imagine if you imagine if you had the
question mark thing like in in wow that imagine that in m plus pugs that
That would be crazy
So Dota doesn't have the question mark like in league, but you can ping people like their death timer at least
so that happens a lot when someone dies like a
idiot
For like the next five seconds. It's just spam from everyone. Just pinging the fires
the thing is I feel like it is actually impossible to
to try to prevent people from being toxic.
I think it's literally impossible.
Because I thought they try to do this in the card games stuff,
and you know what you have?
There's no flaming in the half zone.
You can't do a ping that's, you can't do a little bloop
that's toxic or anything.
But here's the thing.
Because the way people use it, it always
ends up coming off that way.
You have all the pings that say, wow, or well-played.
And it always ends up being used in the most toxic, passive aggressive way in that game.
It's so funny.
I mean, people even go for using the good game.
That's also a standard one.
Yeah, you do my thanks just as you're about to win.
It's oh my god.
It's so crazy.
It's so funny.
It's so funny.
I remember I was watching in Wreckful's Hearthstone era, he always like squashed or whatever you can put your opponent on mute, cause he got tilted by that just spamming something after a misplay.
That was crazy.
Oh yeah mistakes from me that's a that's a brilliant one that's a good one mistakes
from me like it's just the way it goes oops but anyway that's how there won't be any mistakes
made on this one as we have our elemental opening the character panel mid run maybe
just to check the fashion check I love a little bit make sure it's looking good maybe
from what I know, his eye level is looking very good on clicks.
Yeah, respectable on the meters, 8th DPS right now.
I think of course, Sharmin, not the, you know, it's good,
has that really epic burst damage, right?
But not the craziest pumper, I feel like in this raid,
but of course it is providing the blue buff,
all important, very strong buff, right?
You have the mastery and like the kind of wind fury
effect baked into one on that one.
Yeah, and the elementals are so happy that it's not only enhancement that has the buff now
Yeah
Be an elemental show I'm looking in well for the last couple of tears
I think enhance has been buff this reset actually
I'm not sure exactly how much that's gonna end up changing because it's funny
I you know, I like the shaman and my girls are really big enhancement fan and has been like, oh
Oh gotta play elemental two tears in a row. I want to be hitting things with hammers and stuff
But that's not the case. It's gonna be lightning bolts and lava bursts this time for our shaman and yours. I
Feel like the shaman players are probably the only players
That a lot of the shaman mains actually play both specs if they actually want to like raid on the shaman
That was not fun. Yeah, did he pop a wall or something or did he just live that?
I
Actually, I see the defensive not been used yet. So just kind of got away with it
Yeah, what is it? What is it called like?
Phase walk or something nice or spirit walk. I kind of exactly what it now is
It's what you can cast and move at the same time. It's like ancestral
something I guess something I it's the Charmin wall and I know what I know what
the icon looks like that's actually really interesting isn't it like I know
what the icon looks like for all these spells but I don't know the names I just
know what they look like it's so funny also that everything's called wall
because of like shield wall their shield wall yeah yeah I didn't that kind of
kick in at the end of the war then or like halfway through the war then
everyone started calling it wall and now that's just the way it is I'm
actually not the biggest fan of it I'm gonna say it I'm appears that
probably been calling it wall for a very long time. I think the only personal
people called out that was not wall. It's probably Astral Shift.
Astral Shift. Yeah exactly Astral something. But like people called out skin
because bark skin has a different effect right like you take less amounts
of crit and stuff like that. So skin was was a lot more different called
than wall but I'm pretty sure most people said wall to a lot of the things.
That's good cons right like you know as opposed to saying oh they used defensive
and then named the specific defensive so like just have a one nice one syllable
word to describe like what's going on. Which is also why the stars that we call stars on this
boss a lot of the guilds called blazes because they just look at it the same way it started
on Firak, you started calling it Blaze, because that's when it was called a Blaze.
Then on Kai Vesa, it was called something else, but you just called it Blaze anyway,
because it was the same mechanic. And this intermission plays so much like Kai Vesa
intermission. So now you just call the stars, Blazes as well, because you play it the same way.
Ah, the chat actually has uncovered the secrets. We were looking at the wrong ability,
The earth elemental was used by the blade also another very powerful, but super long call them right on that defensive for the shaman
Was able to survive and save the day
It was like a crazy moment where for sure you're pressing a defensive there right because you see the claim coming here
Like we saw how we go for an impact in the soaks and we do it
Boss HP looks really good too. That's 51 percent
Perhaps not our all-time greatest push, but still far beyond what we need. Yeah
And here we go memory game first on the side. Yeah, and we just got to play this cool play this calm
Kind of an annoying one there yeah the X's have to now collide that should be good
Yeah, and finally the circles there as well
Next set of stars coming through our constellations rather memory game going on the the other side now
Soaks are gonna be coming up here on the side of the arena that we can see
Oh, we're a little bit caught outside of the light and gloom goes down. Do we have a battle res available?
No, I find the bell primer. Yeah, it's too even. Yeah, so we do actually have that revived
Just waiting for it to be safe, of course
I kind of like that as well. Just, you know play safe don't take it too early
Although what it's not being taken at all. I guess maybe we're waiting for this mechanic to go off
But we're gonna have to re-cast them. Yeah, we're gonna have to do a new one. I think we do want that Calvin back
Did he do you see or something? Oh, yeah, it could be a DC potentially. I thought it was be very unfortunate
Because I can't imagine why we wouldn't have taken it and I can see the dots on the name out
I think they are in range of the body, but yeah, there's something going wrong here. This could be a disconnect of some kind
That it's so unfortunate if that is the case
not something we want to see yeah special thing is like we are we are
playing this clean as well hmm I wonder if they can make the DPS it with only 19
I imagine it's theoretically possible but I'd be worried about the phase 3 here
right like if you can definitely make the phase 3 without the extra player yeah
the damage phase 3 they definitely have already I'm pretty sure because this
is like 17 yeah but the phase 4 one is a lot harder because yeah we got
about the four. Yeah, exactly. The passive damage is just staying alive is basically having
to force everyone else to do 5% more damage. Yeah, that is so deeply unfortunate because
I'm going to be so sad if we succeed. I actually almost hope we fail these mechanics because
this would be, I think, very frustrating. Obviously, if we end up essentially dying
to DC in phase four. Diamond circle and an X. Let's get that done. Now we've got
play the soaks and of course the other side is going to do the mirror game man this this sucks
we're gonna we're on course to make the dps check right we are saying oh yeah we're still gonna make
this because they've got to play their memory game it looks like they've got one more symbol to do
just those diamonds need to collide all right oh yeah it's gonna be spicy it's gonna be coming
through in just a couple of moments they need to send big time here comes the dark arch angel
and we haven't got long it's this and then into the enrage two percent is left
And we play every mechanic, but I think it has to be a DC unfortunately, yeah
Because otherwise we had the bow rises right like we had the bow rises available, but
The revive did not come through. I'm not sure exactly what happened there
Yeah, I would be nice if we could have someone from chat to actually confirm if it is a DC
That is what the assumption we're going with there two resists and
I even saw the icon, it was cast, I saw the little spirit res that indicated that it had been cast onto the Retribution Pile then, but for whatever reason it was not able to be taken.
I mean it's rest now, so that's like the sad part, I just don't know.
Whoa, new combo here, this is Wargon Demon Hunter I think?
think. This atomic recalibrator toy is the best toy in the game.
It is very, it is fun. And you get there's one for brand as well, you can be brand. Everyone
can become brown. You're missing a brand from season one of or rather from the world
them. Okay, I mean, that's the go again. Go again, moment on that. Obviously, I don't we
don't exactly what happened there, but I would assume a disconnect of some kind, or maybe
even again, maybe the game crashed, right? There's always that possibility to
Yeah, but then I feel like he would have been up in time. But maybe then they're
out of range, right? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's big, it's converted was a DC, like
Yeah, a moderator has informed us.
Yeah, okay.
Very unfortunate.
Yeah, that's, uh, that's not good.
Eight, eight pulls, uh, since we got the lowest, yeah, our best, basically.
And that was obviously a real shame, uh, because that was it.
That was it.
That was it.
That was a faithful, that was a faithful.
And, you know, the really sad thing is if that DC had been even,
let's say 20 seconds later, they probably would have been okay.
Right.
They would have been able to at least make it to phase four, uh,
Because the disconnect was so early in the phase, all of that damage just, you know, obviously didn't happen because the player was not able to do any DPS.
The thing that's like sad now is if they don't kill it the next time they get to P4, right?
That's, um, because then they feel like, oh, we could have gotten that pull, or at least another try.
I don't know what weak or a worst has that just like makes this entire screen, it's some cooldown, I guess, he has to press exactly on cooldown, otherwise he gets warned.
by his entire screen turning gray and a bar filling up or something.
Do you know what I mean? Did you see it or not?
Uh, no.
Okay.
I don't know what it is.
It's some add-on or weaker that's like slowly covering the entire screen with a gray film.
I'm assuming it's like a cooldown he has to press exactly on cooldown or something.
Interesting.
Let's see if it happens again.
Let's inspect it.
I usually only see it happening right on the pole, so that's why I'm so confused.
Oh, so yeah, maybe it only activates out of combat, then some, I guess, or something?
Or, right on the open of the pole?
Yeah, I don't know. I do not know.
Well, there's one way to, you know, make sure you press the button though.
Just turn the entire screen dark until you press it.
I mean, more, it's not that.
Oh, there we go!
It happened again!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I don't know exactly what that is, but it looks like it's some...
Oh, it probably interrupts.
it's his interrupt for sure that's what it is when that happens he's supposed
to interrupt his ad time to kick yeah well very important notification to have
yeah because then at least in like it's so noticeable when you see it on your
screen so you know you just press your kid that's one way to do it it certainly
is I'm a you know I'm kind of a fan of having the notification like in my
guild everyone is kind of the enjoyer of the the metal pipe sound perhaps the shotgun as well the
metal pipe though i think is a pipe dog is a big big favorite for when something's going on air horn
is has been yeah but i would definitely personally prefer this covering the entire screen gray that
looks so clean. We get in these soaks, we get in the soaks. Like you can't miss that Graybar.
Yeah you really can't, you're gonna see it one way or other. We can't hit, oh we're just wiping.
Oh look, some good fuel. Bangers added one for both the caster curse and the
Yeah he did, like bangers in the chat is randomly calling, that is unbelievable.
That's crazy.
Yeah, we can all blame bangers for that one.
Go again.
Go again.
Bangers is banned from the chat.
They're not allowed to speak anymore.
Cast a cursing and not even being casting at the same time, kind of unreal.
So that is the 500 ball mark.
Your prediction could still be correct though, because I think you said, I think it'll be
another five pulls until we're out of range.
But we've been nice to get it done in less than 500, but look, 522 according to the
tracker we have here on Worst's UI. Wait, why does it still say 0.8% P3 best? It's not updated. I
guess it just doesn't really track Phase 4 properly. Yeah, so in simple terms it's just like compounds,
all health in the fight together. And so somehow the 4% becomes Sarah Point 8. That I don't
I don't know because to me it should be just 2% if you compound everything, but yeah, I don't know.
Okay, whole timer is coming up. We're just going back on it.
A little bit of a humorous wipe full of mirth on phase one there.
That's good to know, right? Because obviously when you're this close, I think it's easy to get frustrated.
Like when you're having these wipes, you just really want to get it done. You just want to find that kill.
But the fact that we're seeing a smile on the laugh, I think, is a really good sign that we're in good spirits.
and very much in the position to have the right mental attitude, the positive mental attitude, to actually kill the boss.
Yeah.
And I see bangers also keeping his positivity up
after some snide remarks from some people in the community.
Yeah.
Oh, I read one line from, you know, a certain someone that made me laugh a little bit.
Oh, wow.
Someone might have called bangers embarrassing a little bit Wow, or or a take bangers had embarrassing Wow
Goodness me. What was that like this?
Was it all going on this morning? Yeah. What did I miss?
I'm gonna have to go back and watch the VOD
I was having a little bit of extra sleep. I felt like I should have woken up earlier. I felt like I missed a lot
I you know I had a nice late you know a bit of a lion okay just restoring myself
before this shift and well now I'm starting to regret it yeah that's
added so I went back and I watched it you get that rose I think we stand
together united but it's always nice to have that it's always nice to have that
you know a little safety net having that battle rose it's been expended now
But maybe maybe that's what you need to lock in now. You know, well if I die now
I'm not coming back. So this is the lock-in moment where if there's no safety net. I feel this, you know
This is the thing about cheap deaths. Okay, I thought I really feel this way about cheap death. It's like, okay
I've got my cheap death. I'm fine. Like we're totally chilling
But when you cheat then you have to lock in after that, right? Like it's the same thing with the combat race
Yeah
But the thing is right like I've played mage a lot and play fire mage
And you get a false sense of security a lot
And for a lot of people
They can play like progression and usually
I always checked like oh on this fight like who was the one that died you know the first two people that died on a boss
Every single time
The sheet death people there
It doesn't work for them you know
Like it
They are always on the 100% almost because they have to screw up to the guys
Before everyone has screwed up once
I think I know what they did. That's the thing.
That crystal was a little bit too far, right? And they couldn't cleave it.
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure Senna was already there.
Ah, okay. They didn't have Komarazia so it was over.
I don't know how much they cared.
Rough pull.
Yeah.
Now they need to kill it by like the next two pulls or something.
Or me to be correct and for us to be able to cast it.
incredible stuff everyone already raised up prepared mentally to go and we've
already got 15 minutes left by the way so a better one a pool takes about 10
minutes so they've got to make it happen right we we go go right now
That's what I mean in the next two polls. I think otherwise rough time
All right
Five seconds poll timer has been assembled. Let's go
So we did update now the cast of curses at 10.5 and bangers himself
one as well. So we're happy about that one. I mean we are, we are. So we're kind of evading
accountability on that one pool, but we have to hold, we do have to take it for the other
10.5. Yeah, I mean, we've been being blamed for Caster cursing for a long time now. So
it's okay we can take it we can we have some mental resilience and we find ourselves here on this
phase one and we didn't wipe here the last one but hopefully that's not going to be happening again
we do have that glaive coming through the glaives have been pretty mean on our last couple of
attempts i think that's what kind of what caused a lot of the instability we're just some glaives
attacking at the same time as having to solve that mechanic leading to some soaks and the
whole thing just spirals out of control because if like one person gets hit then other people
have to dash over maybe a glaive hits more people you've got more soaps and it all just comes crashing down i'm afraid
there we go getting these kicks done
like it always is so impressive maybe they don't mess up the kicks like to me this seems like a really
horrible really mean mechanic but it's just not been a big issue right like i was expecting it to be
quite a bit harder to deal with, but it really isn't. Apparently it's easy.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know who made this like add-on week or whatever you want to call it,
but the gray bar that we see over worse UI, but that stuff is some of the best.
It's not actually, it's like, I don't know how you miss it at that point,
because like you're literally just pressing it when you see the gray thing,
and you have a backlock to target the correct thing.
Yeah, yeah, that is of course super useful to be able to do that.
That was a good last minute adjustment there.
It was kind of on the wrong side,
but made it work at the last moment getting over there.
Now it's just beams once more.
Oh, that's gonna be bad.
That, are we just dead?
Oh, immune it, wow.
Great save actually with those immunities in there.
Cause of course the beam was coming around
and there were soaks in the beam.
I think we saved the date.
Popping some of those immunities
to get in the soaks and prevent the wipe.
So some quick thinking here from our raiders.
That's where you send the hunters, bro.
Yeah, get the hunters in there. They have no respect for beams in general, stand them, not a big deal.
And they have always been like those people, you throw at mechanics and if they die it's their fault and if they succeed, I mean you did your job, you're not getting props.
Yeah, you know, people will only point out when you fail, not when you do it perfectly, right?
It's a thankless task, being the mechanics enjoyer.
I feel like it's the same thing with healing, right?
Like, you know, no one's like, oh wow, great heal.
And I was like, I died one heal please, one heal, one heal.
I ticked out, I died. Hello?
I have a very good friend of mine that likes to play Dota on the edge.
He does everything, you know, balls to the wall every single time.
And if you play like you play insane and you like do
proper spell usage you
Save him in like the millisecond where it's possible and you call him like
Larkin I did that so well right he's like no you just did what you were supposed to it's like a bro
Relax
Oh, it's so funny.
It's like, that is your job.
You're supposed to save me.
It's like, all right, I mean, thanks, bro.
That's nice.
It's good vibes, hey?
We've survived the intermission.
And here comes phase two.
What is that boss HP going to look like
when we get to that final phase?
Yeah, it was even lower than, I mean,
when we get knocked back, I think
this is like a 50.8 or 50.7 or something.
And that would be fantastic, we could see that.
Again, that's kind of on par
with some of our strongest pulls, I think,
going into phase three.
Although, in a way, I feel like it's kind of bait
even talking about that, right?
Because the damage-shaking phase three is ultimately a,
it is, it's gonna happen.
We're gonna make it at this point.
Like, it just is, yeah.
We just need to play these mechanics
and hope we get some constellations
aren't too mean and make sure that we're patient yet also decisive simultaneously with those memory
games because that's where we've been having problems unsurprisingly seeing as that is definitely the
hardest part of phase three is that final two sets of memory games where you have four symbols
rather than three and of course such a limited space with only one light in the darkness remaining.
Yeah and again we're sending out the message to chat if
Do you guys think this is the kill?
Remember if you say it's the kill and it's not you're cursing your test. Yeah, but also you gotta believe right if we and the chat both
Call it doesn't get the point like is that do we get it by default or does the chat get it to
I think we always get I think we always get it by default. That's the problem. Ah, okay
And here's the final set in.
Some of that no chance, which meant no chance to day-wive, right?
And the Soaks.
We got the Soaks.
And yeah, as you can see here, after that knockback, yeah, you were actually pretty much
bang on there, about just under 51% as we actually start this transition properly into
Phase 3.
And here we go.
50%.
Under 50 already.
Let's do this.
So memory game on this side.
Triangle key circle.
Yep.
Oh, it's inconvenient. Yeah, they need to be careful of the circles kind of blocking the path. But yep, there we go and the tea and then the circle
Yeah, got it done before the next constellation. So we are chilling right now on this side
We're gonna have to hope the other team gets it done and then move on to the soaks, which are happening now
There we are we've got it kind of split up here and then get this middle one after this one gets solved because again
The more people you got in it, right the faster it goes. Yeah with these ones
and there we go. DPS is pumping as well actually. We are pumping right now just 32% as we get
to this first Dark Archangel. Yeah, we are just continuously blasting away, but we still
have what is it? Four, yeah, we've got four more memory games to play. So here we go.
Let's get this done. It's going to be the Soaks first this time, of course, because
we do have this kind of inversion every time we go to another phase with the order of mechanics.
The DPS is insane actually.
Yeah, they shouldn't worry about this at all like actually hold so many cooldowns.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Clay the mechanics.
Yeah.
This is just crazy DPS.
Like we're going to be again like in the low 10s, you know, in the low 10s when we
get into the final section.
Nice, decent spawn there as well.
Yeah.
For the first one.
So we're chilling on this memory again.
Yep.
So we're pretty much done on this side other side looks like they've resolved to and
Here's that next dark archangel and get boss is just so low so low
We just have to lock in and just relax
Play this mechanic set cool and calm and memory game is gonna be coming up here. We go
Gotta do this twice
the T's have got to go first that's actually good that's a good start right
pretty easy yeah and we get to there as well with the consolation we're done
we're done on this side right one more memory game on the other side can they
do we've got to play these soaks spooky consolation but we hold memory game
should be resolved by now I feel like oh no it just okay it's just started now
But it looks like they have it. Yeah, they have an easy solution there. There we go
Can we get both and we can right? Yeah, we do
This is gonna be a phase four. Okay, look in that's it
We do I believe we do not have any combat res if I'm not mistaken. This has to be clean
Yeah, we have one in 30 seconds. So maybe it's somewhat usable if we get it in a static point in the fight, right?
Um, but we have nothing for the start here here. We go
Here come the blazes. We've got to get this position right. Remember we are doing the left right left
That looks pretty good
No one down and let's see if we've refined this tank a big burst of light thing here
We're moving away from the death. So we are mine though. Yeah
We have one of our DPS going down. Honestly though, look, we're still on I think. I think it's still doable. It's still doable
It's more than fine
We should get the red tube, by the way. We got it
We managed to get it the hunter is back and here's the next movement watching the death ray soak
Yeah, look at that immunity is being used to soak the fiends and
We still have 20 players alive if we can make it through this sets of blazes
blazes this could be it a beautiful tank smash there clearing the path for the
raid the blazes handed beautifully one more death beam to dodge the immunities
once again quep surging forwards so can the hunter also as well claiming those
are some ground there the comms are on five seconds ago last set of blazes
Yeah, hold on, you can instead drop it again if you are in a good mood.
Okay, I'm beginning to get a headache.
Yeah, I noticed it, I mean, I almost fucking whiteness for not noticing that, holy fuck.
But it's fine, it's fine.
Just press, press and eat on what you want and back bar still,
I like, it always happens on the first one, so do it.
I can hear him getting whispers, I'm just out of the fucking cinematic here.
I miss clicked mine, it's nice to be in a corner, think there's two.
And I was like, this is really bad, I don't wanna go say anything.
Zero, get in the mountains.
Yeah, yeah.
Who was tanky? I'm a lost player.
I got the mount, I got the mount
The one thing is you don't sell mounts
You do not sell mounts, but if someone
What was your fucking 20 million for an item
You won then Grats I guess
A.G.
It's involved
No, no, no
I actually knew that was a kill as soon as we got the boom
I knew that was a kill, but it's a kill
I died to the first
Yeah, but it's not really died
Yeah, yeah
It's the only time you're allowed to fucking buy items and shit
of the ship, but yeah, just yellow and first boss kill, whatever. Not mounts though.
Wow. Otherwise, if you won the role, then what?
What an incredible pull from method there.
That was remarkable.
It was it was it was almost perfect.
We could not have written that better.
We had the deaths at the last second into the combat res into that early
hunter death, but somehow some way the team was able to recover
and get that combat res and persist forwards into that phase,
just barely making it in time before midnight eternal falls upon the dark well.
Just beautiful movement there as well in that final phase.
The hunters darting forward to soak,
quap, surging to claim that territory for method in that last encounter.
And of course, incredible movement from the bearer of the light escorting the group,
surging around the room, dodging the death ray,
And of course, preventing the end of all creation at the hand of the void.
Amazing. And look, I forgot about this.
Yeah, we have got a giveaway going right now.
And as always, it's going to be M-Way Holy in the chat to enter.
We're going to be drawing our winner in five minutes.
So you better get on that.
Wait, what is the giveaway actually?
I need to tab in to see exactly what it is.
Four people that are typing. It's M-Way lowercase. Holy uppercase. Spam it.
M-Way lowercase. Holy uppercase.
Just copy-paste it, yeah.
Wait, am I reading this correctly?
For this boss, you get a Zala Toes painting in the giveaway?
Yes.
So it's gonna do some
by done by sco himself as we can see from this giveaway here.
But yeah, the giveaway right now is going to be for 250 Euro gift cards,
a thermo shaker method Jersey just like this one, well, similar at least
and a Zala toes painting.
I mean, like, that's maybe maybe a piece you can have in your dining room
when you have your friends over, friends and family, right?
And that can provoke a conversation, perhaps.
But yeah, definitely do.
Mweoli in the chat to get that done.
And well, look, your prediction was correct, Shakin.
They got it just in time.
I think you were at maximum 504 pulls, 505, something
in that sort of region.
They got it done.
And just in time for me to witness the boss fall
on my ship, my first end boss here on the veterans
and what a way to do it and just in time as well we were almost running out of time on this method broadcast Wow
Yeah, that was good time was incredible and for me nailing the prediction
I've made so many predictions that are wrong eventually. I'll be right. I'm taking this is my claim to fame. I did it
I made this kill happen
Do we not deserve some credit for
Uh
Make sure you wear the that's the caster blessing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we called it. We were locked in
We said it was recover. We said it was doable even with the death
And it was this was the first time production internally said that's the kill so
Oh
That's interesting news
All right
More on casters. Yeah, I know much through. Yes, actually look to be clear
I unironically I am why they killed that. Okay, it's not a joke
Like I'm not sarcastic. It's not. I'm not joking about that. It was me
I crew without me. They would never have killed this. Okay, honestly if if if I wanted to I could have made them kill it like 300
Poles ago guys. I just chose not to
What a funny guy what a funny guy
Yeah, we were being completely serious and you're right. We have too much of an ego on
this. We need to be put down. That's why they're taking us off there soon.
Yeah, that was the backup plan. Like in case we were too much of a problem, they're just
going to shut the show down so they can finally kill the boss, yeah?
Yeah.
But wow, that is it. That is the world third from method scored once again here
with 502 pulls and I have a level of 280.5.
And wow, just hearing that celebration was incredible.
Like what a thing to witness.
I'm so glad that I was able to be here.
Okay, to actually see that happen, amazing.
And you know, I suppose we are,
after we roll this giveaway,
probably gonna be wrapping up the show here a little bit.
So I very much want to thank everyone for watching,
everyone for tuning in over the course
of this epic race.
of course, a big thanks to Method for giving me the opportunity to be back on the cast here as well.
It's been amazing meeting everyone, you know, casting with incredible gamers like Shaken throughout
this race. It's been a whole lot of fun. I hope everyone watching has enjoyed it. Of course, a
massive congratulations to Method. Another tier complete, another incredible performance from
all of our players. And now I'm sure they're looking forward to some very, very well
and rest and recovery.
Yeah, I'm down for that.
Yeah, I'm down for that as well.
I can definitely stay a little bit longer if we can do that.
But yeah, it's nice that they got the kill
and they can actually, you know,
eat dinner for the first time in weeks now
without having to speedrun it.
So I'm happy for them. Long, long, deserved break.
I think everyone's just happy and relieved that at least it's over.
It is indeed and it was an exciting poll as well.
Yeah, I think that that was that was a great poll to kill it on to be honest.
I feel like those are almost the best ones to do when it's when you're fighting for your life and it's a little bit scrappy.
If it's too clean, it almost smells a bit absentee-climactic, right?
But that was just the perfect amount of chaos and a couple of things not quite going right
that made it just such an absolute joy to watch.
A real treat to finish off our progression here in the March of Colderness, and indeed,
of course, the void spire. And oh, here we go. Well, actually, before we go into perhaps this
interview with Worst, we can actually confirm that Clayface, uh,
Joe is the winner. Congratulations. You are the winner.
Congrats.
Boo.
And I think it is time for perhaps a little interview with the gamer,
the gaming warlord that is worst in just a moment
we're locked in we are locked in
Kush here examining the second month about looks at this inspecting perhaps
looking at the Twitch chat or logs all the logs yeah log inspection and not
Not top DPS though. Coach is not top DPS, as you can see here.
He's winding up the excuse for why he's second this time around.
What happened?
Oh look, actually I guess the meters are kind of a bit weird here, right?
Because it's showing the, it's showing like the last light damage in the resort, which is very interesting.
But yeah, we have the interview coming up, we have Worst, one of our players.
Hello?
We're not sure actually.
We'll probably make everyone see you.
Hello.
Okay, there we go.
Okay, hello team.
Hello, hello.
What's up?
So, another day, another kill.
Very very exciting there.
I mean, look, by first of all, obviously a huge congratulations to the entire team.
Incredibly well played there.
The first question I want to ask is, what do you think of the boss?
Like, was, you know, in terms of how end bosses go in terms of progression?
Like, is this one that you found really enjoyable?
Was this really fun, right?
Or perhaps a little bit lesser?
Like, what are we thinking about the boss in general?
Personally, I'm going to think for a bit of a time, a bit of time now.
I think it was really fun because it's this was like ultra challenging
I mean, I thought dimensions was a little bit hard before the before the first nerves came in
But this was like completely next level. It was a way different experience for me also because I've never been at the buses this early
So, yeah, there's a very new experience and the boss was
Mechanically hard I would say
So that's why you could have these back-to-back P1 wipes
So if one person makes like the smallest mistake in P1, it's over because P1 is really hard and
The only thing I will say is it was a little bit weird that the difficulty curve fell every phase you went
So like phase one was definitely the hardest and then it just decreased over and over
Phase two was just a danger needed to learn and then you could do it every time
But yeah, I mean incredibly hard boss. I've never tried anything this hard at least
Yeah, and it's I mean I chose in the pool camp right like this boss is extremely hard and you should definitely be proud of
your own performance for people that don't know also you swapped character on the last boss and to build having to swap out
you like let us know a little bit what was it actually that happened why did you swap and how did you feel going from from
DK to DH with obviously you had that lower eye level meme on top of your screen and stuff like that
Yeah, yeah, so I didn't get played in the first tier because my characters were not that lucky with gear.
And then that led to me having a very strong death knight on week two.
So it made sense to put me in when we had the damage check.
And then we just kept on because we needed decays.
And then unfortunately the, well, not unfortunately, but there was a mythic phase revealed,
Which meant that one of our players had to go back to work which was very unfortunate because the race dragged out a lot longer than anyone expected
I don't think anyone expected this
And then we all of a sudden needed a devourer demon hunter because you need a ranged player in phase three to be carrying the seed for the melee group
So you need a ranged in the melee group and devourer is extremely good for that and that was Bill's job
But then when he had to go we needed another demon hunter
And speaking of that, there's a lot of questions about the Demon Hunter thing because we played
two different and it's simply only because of phase three that you needed a ranged in
the melee camp.
But as of playing the two different ones, Death Knight is my comfort pick by far.
There's nothing closer to that.
I've played this for six, four years now, I think I've only played DK mainly.
And Demon Hunter I'd never played in progression rating.
And then going up to this level and playing a new class on a new spec that I mean
It's an even playing field, but I did not have enough practice on the spec.
I could definitely feel that.
There was a bit of an experience.
Luckily though, this boss is a lot harder for melee than it is for ranged, in my opinion.
So it was that.
Oh, what's going on?
Let's talk.
Do you see me?
My entire screen went dark.
Or not my screen, but my zoom.
Oh, I can still hear you, but your camera is frozen.
Okay.
Yeah.
okay anyways I'll just finish that one real quick it was a lot it helped that
the range was harder on melee that I have to go and play a range spec that I'm
not comfortable with and do I need to do something here I have no idea we
hear something otherwise just keep on going it's okay yeah but like basically
right so what you're saying is does method then think that double havoc
would have been better if it wasn't for this wonky thing that one range guy has
to be in the melee camp or yeah so if if this wasn't the case I you definitely
played double havoc 100% because havoc is simply better for this fight both
single target it's a stronger single target spec with the way that this the
ads in phase one lineup and havoc is also better for that and that's why you
play a bit of a weird spec on devourer that causes you to lose an infinite
amount of single target damage, simply to help phase one. Yeah, so you definitely play double
have a because the reason you play double DH is that you have the Demon Hunter debuff
in phase three. They have the 3% magic damage. Yeah, I think if we if we knew the secret
phase was there, and we let's say we knew the damage checks beforehand, I think maybe
you would have dropped the DH for another DK or something that does extremely high
amounts of single target, but I'm not the best fury crafter with this sort of stuff. So it's a
little bit feeling crafting when I say this. All right. Do you have any specific questions?
Oh, yeah, like the thing that I want to really know about is we saw quite a lot of difficulties
with getting the transition into phase three clean, the catching all of the soaks right
right after phase two. What was the problem there? What was the thought process on how
to address that and fix that issue? Because of course we saw today amazing consistency.
But from our perspective, it was a little bit difficult to entirely understand what was
going wrong and what needed to be fixed. So if you have any insight there, that will
be very interesting, I think. Well, it was mostly a communications issue,
not like we just misunderstood each other and it took a long time to learn because you
needed to get so far in the boss fight for where we were at the time to try it out and
it was a time window of I don't know two seconds, two and a half seconds maybe.
So it just took a lot of time to get there to then try it and it's also every single
player in the raid cannot make a mistake and obviously we all like we all need to
learn it and I personally struggled with it in the beginning because I did not
understand it and then I understood how we were intended to do it and then I got
it down and everyone got it down and then it was you saw the last 100 150
pulls maybe 100 pulls it was very consistent and but yeah it was mostly
because it took so long to get there that it took so long to learn because
you couldn't do it every pull if you didn't get phase three you couldn't
practice it. That's basically it. Yeah. Yeah, that 100% makes sense. Another question I have also I don't know if you have insight on this, but it's also coming to comp. Yesterday, I'm pretty sure you guys tried playing BM Hunter. Was there like a specific reason for that too? And now we're back to double marksman or was it just like the
gear didn't fit or so the BM Honda would end up being a gain on single target
damage because it does more in phase three and in phase three you do double
damage and in phase four the same thing it does more damage in phase four both
both phases simply because of the fact that you can run and cast everything you
don't have to stop to cast aim shot or all these things and that made sense
to get more damage but then the issue arrived in phase one that we also dropped our blood decay
for a bear which is super strong damage-wise but then we lost mass grips so there was a bit of a
relearning curve with everyone having to help out with knocking the mobs in instead of only relying
on grips because before we were relying on mass grip into three death knights double grip each
so there was a bit of a learning curve there and it made no sense to learn that and then
and then be struggling on ad damage, where maximum ship is very strong with ad damage in phase one.
So it was just to make it an easy learning curve. And then we realized we didn't need the MPM hunter to kill the boss.
So we just stayed immune to make it more consistent so we could get to the end of the boss fight more consistently.
It's my cam back by the way.
Oh yeah, you're back.
Okay, it's just in my screen is still dark.
It's Zoom, but it's Zoom is an interesting program.
It's just the way it is.
But yeah, and I guess one, perhaps the thing that we,
you know, final thing and more of a general question is,
obviously method going from strength to strength,
progressing and learning throughout the tiers.
Is there anything that you feel that method
really did a good job of, right?
Like learn from, say perhaps compared to
Manaforge Omega and kind of really improved on.
And of course, on the other side as well,
Is there anything that you felt perhaps didn't go this well,
this tier that is a key point of improvement going forward
into the future and beyond?
Well, I wasn't here in Manafort Omega
because this is my first tier with method.
So that I cannot speak of,
like what we improved from then till now.
Yeah, that's kind of hard
because I was impressed with a lot of the stuff here.
So I don't know if it's because they stepped up
a lot since last year,
like for example how the whole week or an add-on and analyst thing worked because I simply didn't try
having it last year. But going into next year, I think we need to work on our breaks maybe
because we ended up taking a lot of toilet breaks and we talked about this, but yeah,
I don't know all obviously I have some thoughts myself, but this is something we need to talk
about as a guild first. So I can't really speak on that. But yeah, definitely our breaks.
we need to stop having very small breaks all the time and then do like a 10 minute here and there instead.
All right, all right. Perhaps we might be able to get some analysts inside as well, I believe, as
we have an additional, an additional guest potentially joining us here in just a moment.
Right. Can I give a shout out to the team while I'm here? Of course. Of course. I'll have to say
it was a very warm welcome when I joined back in September and it's been extremely cool playing
here it was really really fun and I have to give a massive shout out team or shout out to the analyst
and support team these guys are incredible it is you can get anything you need at any hour of the
day almost these guys can help you with anything it is so great to have these guys it really helped
me when switching specs but also in general everything from crafting to theory crafting
like crafting in games, theory crafting, it's been incredible. Yeah, very, very good job there.
Yeah, very much the unsung heroes. We always try to remind everyone that there's so much going on
behind the scenes, so much incredible work and an endless array of infinite spreadsheets that goes
into the race of worlds first. So yeah, I think an excellent shout out there and indeed,
the entire team as well, this like operating as a unit and welcoming in new gamers,
a climatizer than to the absolute insanity that is the Race to Worlds first.
Keep up. Hello. We have an analyst to join us if I am not mistaken. Welcome, welcome aboard to
the show. Hello. Hello. Can you guys hear me? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Awesome.
But it was Nuki and one of the analysts of the episode.
Also running the production this time around, but yeah, obviously I've been analyzing for
a while.
But basically, yeah, you have obviously a bigger picture view as an analyst, I guess,
of the team and so on.
How do you feel about like the preparation, obviously, this tier round was the, another
add-ons meme people are talking about with the week hours and development stuff behind the scenes.
How did that feel for the team from your perspective? Definitely felt different for the team, but I think
that our add-on and our developers, like all the back-end tech people did an amazing job
still providing us with everything that we needed for the race, like our internal add-ons and our
like things that you saw on screen. Yeah and the splits was very long this year. If
I don't recall wrong you're usually involved a little bit with like gathering
and stuff. How did that go when you have to split so much? I mean splits are
always a very big part of the race of course and I'm the let's say the main
analysts that is organizing the splits. I had the feeling that they went the smoothest that
they've ever been this race. Usually we have a tiny bit of issues like towards rate time
to find enough people but everybody in the community came through and we had like enough
people enough helpers to help us throughout the whole like heroic week and the start of
mythic week. So I'm really really glad that we were able to have very smooth sailing this
thing around. And to go back to the the add-on topic a little bit because that is one of the
the biggest ones with midnight and a question I'd love to hear the perspective of from player and
analysts actually is how different is that experience because obviously the API with how
these add-ons operate is totally different. We aren't using and not everyone is using the same
add-on platform as we Kouros like of course like the guilds kind of went off in their own
directions a bit, like made some custom solutions. How different was the experience compared to previous
expansions, like rating at this level, developing tools, developing software for the rest of worlds
first? So, you go first, Izzy. I mean, I just wanted to say that I cannot really speak to like the
development side of things, because I'm not smart enough. It's usually like Nongi and the
others that sort of these kind of things. I just know I copy paste the list from my spreadsheet
and then I invite players and check if they're on the right alt.
Yeah. From a player perspective, I'll definitely say when we got the pre-patch, where the changes came
and we no longer could use week or us, at least the old version, I'll say I was very terrified
because I used a very customized UI that I made for myself and stole at the Ursula Frieds Center
And I got so used to playing with it,
that I was scared that without this,
like all these fine details of tracking buffs,
and I knew that we were able to track buffs,
but let's say on some things on my Rogue,
I had a glow when I was exactly at this amount of stacks
and I had this buff.
All these things, I thought it would be hard
to play it out.
But then I realized first of all
that the classes got a lot easier,
so this was not needed.
And then when we actually got to the expansion,
the add-on developers had like,
when so done such a good job
that it was almost back to the same thing,
at least for your own character's play style.
Like you don't need to track all these small things
because of the dumbing down of the classes
and the add-on developers just,
they basically made the same thing.
And then walking into the race,
obviously we knew beforehand,
but we had all these things such as reminders,
custom timeline, and we actually,
we use week or us, it's just,
it can't, it reads off other things
and what it used to do, it works a little bit different,
but we had everything we used to, and that was really great.
Like, especially this raid, it helped so much,
especially the last boss.
Like, it would be crazy thinking that this boss was made
with no weak aura or add-ons in mind,
which is the idea from Blizzard, right?
Yeah, I mean, we had a little chat about that as well,
from the caster side of things,
but yeah, it's a little bit wonky with the memory game.
On that note though, with the Vigoros, I will say the previous boss, Balloran, was 100% doable without any add-ons.
That boss was clearly like a, you just need to play good here moment of boss.
There was no, you didn't need a Vigor or any, you don't even need the timeline from Blizzard to play that boss.
It's like a, you just have to learn to play the mechanics as bland as that sounds.
One question I have that might be a little bit far back in progression.
but after basically you kill Aliria, week one, it's split time, you're splitting, you're getting all gear on many, many, many different characters.
And everyone expected when we go into new reset, basically when March on Cold and Us was released, that you guys will be splitting very, like a lot.
We saw Liquid spend like a day and a half in splits, but Echo on the other hand, they just did like five hours of splits and then they went in straight to Balloran.
Was there a shift in your planning on how many splits you were doing before stepping in on Bellarant, or was it always like that idea that you guys were supposed to do extra amount of missed splits and then you go into Bellarant, or did you shift a little bit priority after you saw Echo stepping?
I definitely not after echo stepping in, but we usually adjust our planning depending on
like what liquid is doing, because of course they're like our kind of beta testers and we
see how hard bosses are.
I think I want to, maybe I'm lying, but they pulled Balran like a few times on the first
day we saw it in the morning.
Liquid is not now.
No, echo did.
Yeah, echo did.
Yeah, basically.
That's why I mean like echo.
Yeah.
So we didn't have any urgency to also go there because we knew it would take some time and probably some more gear.
Okay. Because like Echo stepped in, right? And they had like very low eye level.
And then Method also, you guys stepped in a couple of hours later and you also hadn't pulled any upgrades and stuff.
And you went in with a little bit lower eye level just testing out on the boss.
I was just wondering if that was a little bit like your own idea that sparked from it?
Or if you had obviously got inspired by Echo?
there so we did go in and do heroic or will we wanted to see how hard heroic actually was of the new rate and then we did that and it was planned that we was going to do some more heroic splits but we ended up prioritizing the time in myth against that we were watching and when we saw echo went in we were a little bit like
Okay, we need to keep a close eye on what's going on.
But then they started pulling the bus and they were way too low.
I said level and then they went back into split.
So there was not really any panic because it showed very fast that this we needed to
get more gear.
So we didn't end up changing our plans as far as I remember, but I'm not on the
back end.
So obviously I can't say that from what information I was told, we did not end
up changing our plans because the bus simply biller and simply seemed too hard to
not do splits for.
And there's another bus after that, of course, will be harder because it's
the last bus, right?
that he's assumed.
There was a lot of discussion for Bellaron when it comes to like DPS checks, like there was a lot of
do we do it in two phases, do we do it in three phases, is it mathematically possible and etc etc,
so there needed to be a good amount of cooking before actually committing to something.
Yeah, that does make a lot of sense. And kind of on the the cookery topic here as well,
Well, of course, method, looking to climb,
looking to ascend the leaderboards here
in the race to worlds first.
And a big topic of discussion, even today actually,
funny enough, especially today,
was about how difficult it is to be
in that bleeding edge scenario
where you're building your own strategies.
You're potentially playing with different compositions
and new ideas and being the first team
to come up with the solution.
How confident, like what was the conviction like
from a method from the players and the analyst perspective
throughout this tier,
is this something we're feeling better and stronger at
continuously moving on to the next tier?
What is that experience like?
In terms of preparation,
we usually prepare our own stuff before the tier starts.
And then depending on how this is going for us,
we of course, like also look at the other guilds
and prepare stuff from their strategies
to implement our hours as well.
If we see something that we think is like
just working better.
This is something that we're practicing.
This is something that might not have worked out
as good this tier as it has the priorities before,
but we still need to keep improving
because the only thing that lets us improve
is like practicing that, right?
We can never practice using only our own strategies
because we are always been behind
and so we need the practice to actually try to get ahead.
I will say on that note that obviously, when we're behind, there's not often a point to
make come up with your own stuff.
But from PTR, we obviously had our own ideas of how we were going to play these buses.
And as far as I remember, we ended up playing them a lot like what we meant to do.
There was some things that got cooked in the downtime so that when we walked into
splits on heroic week. We all we changed up what we did on PTR, but then we tried it out a little
bit before going into mythic and we could actually give it a try. But most of it, we came most of
what we ended up doing except for last boss obviously, since we hadn't seen it, both crown
and Lura. We had most of this down before we went in, I will say. There's a lot of things
we came up with ourselves. Also this crazy week aura with the memory game. We also had this
made, principally it's not something we stole, we had the idea already and had tested it out,
which is very once again, back in team incredible that they made this and it got made so fast as
well. It was actually incredible. Yeah, well, while you guys were doing splits at the start
of the week, people also like going into the into the boss on like lower difficulties to
to test out things for you.
So you guys had everything ready
when you were going to end with it.
The well-oiled machine.
And, you know, you spoke a little bit
about how it's very difficult to practice and improve
because you kind of have to be there, right?
The race worlds first isn't constant, unfortunately, right?
It is now over for us here at Method,
but is there anything that you're gonna be looking to do?
Like, is there anything,
any kind of preparation that can be done
before the next tier to be as ready as possible
and therefore perform even better than before.
Do you want to go first-worst?
What player side do you do to prepare?
Well, for me personally,
I think it's just the simple thing of keep on playing the game
because we know and every person who's played it
for a long time and then taking a long break
knows that if you stop just for a few weeks,
we could feel it after Christmas break,
at least you need to get back in the game.
But I don't, yeah, like I said, this is my first time.
So it's a bit hard to answer this question,
but yeah, definitely keep on playing, I guess.
Keep on playing, yeah, maybe you can learn a few more classes.
Yeah.
Yo.
No, what I do with my splits team
is usually we go into a feedback session pretty close
after the tier because then feedback is still fresh.
You write down what went well, what didn't go well,
and how we can improve that.
I can give a very good example for last year.
We noticed that, for example, our signup bot
at the flaw that people were signing up to splits
very, very early in the week.
And then often no showed or forgot
that they had signed up for a certain time slot.
So the solution we came up with,
and that was developed in the downtime between races,
was I would just sign up,
said only get posted like two to three hours
before split is going.
So it's more like immediate, it's like,
oh, I signed up for this.
I got picked, like, I know that I'm gonna be there
in an hour.
And that helped a lot with like the problem we had
with like keeping not showing up
does something to backfill all the time and this is what I'm going to do with my team again this
this time around. Very nice I think I don't have any specific questions if you have anything people
you can go ahead. I think I've just got one more before we perhaps wrap up here and that's
when did you know that it was dead okay on that final pull obviously a couple of deaths
going into phase four with those combat reds is one extra was used as well. When did you know
that it was locked in and that was going to be the kill for method? When we were doing the last
run where you run from the big laser my eyes while running for whatever reason and I never
know what the bus self is. All these pulls I had to look up in the log what the bus like when
we wiped because I never ever checked not even in phase three but for whatever reason when
When we were doing the last run, my eyes glanced to the bus health and I knew this is dead
unless every single player stands in the raid with the star, which obviously isn't going to happen.
This is dead. Like I knew it instantly there.
Yeah, but even then, I actually, you keep your calm
and then you just keep on playing for a little while.
Yeah, or try it for at least. I had an attempt also where you can get a bit shaky at the end there.
But yeah.
Of course. And well, were you as confident Nuki there as well, because I'm sure the analysts were
keeping a close eye on all of the action in whatever way you have access to it. Like,
did you know that that was the kill? I did. I thought the P4 kill before that was the kill,
but it didn't have the summing up in chat, probably. I was filming whole in chat, but
But I knew that they only needed a few more P4 tries
to actually get there.
Like I was very confident that the boss is dying today
and especially like dying after a few tries only in P4.
Wow.
Well, there you have it.
And I think that is going to be us.
Can't believe it.
Wrapping up here on the method show
for the race towards first.
Thank you everyone for watching.
Okay. Thanks of course to worst and new keep a hopping on board to give us the, uh, the post race interview here was incredibly, incredibly interesting as well. Okay. And of course, a huge congratulations to method. Uh, what a stellar performance and an amazing kill.
That is one of my favorite kills that I have seen. That was so unbelievably exciting to watch. And before we leave, we've got a couple of things to tie up. Of course, I want to give a shout out to shaken being here with me on the kill, but I
really want to give a great
shout out to all of the other
classes who were entertaining
us. It was a complete pleasure
to watch and to interact with
each and every one of them.
That's bangers, dark Mac, rage,
perky Sean me, cyber law cucks
tactics, shaking Krista. Not
sco this time. I think okay
and of course, Bunton or maybe
Okay, he was doing something useful then, okay?
So that's good to see as well.
And of course, we have to give a shout out
to our amazing sponsors who make the race possible here
as well.
That is of course, ExpressVPN, Valhalla, Scan,
Holy, Fateless, NowUI, RestedXP, Wago,
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Incredible, mods do your thing.
I know you can do what you're going to do, okay?
Get some links in the chat there
and show our sponsors some love
for making this race possible, right?
So very big, big thank you to all of our sponsors
and indeed all of the amazing talent
that go into making this production, okay?
Production behind the scenes, hello!
Been putting in the hours as well
for these long days,
making sure everything is running nice and smooth
and with some really fun memes as well.
I am the mighty T. Cozy
shaken over there, Caster 2, and of course, even keeping track of the Caster Curse count
there as well.
An amazing, amazing show.
Everyone involved did an incredible job.
It was a real, real pleasure to be a part of it.
So thank you very much indeed to Method for letting me show up here and make some noise
for all of you.
Hopefully you enjoyed it.
And yeah, I think that's all I've got.
I think I just about covered everything.
played everyone well done casters well done production well done sponsors and the floor
is now yours shaken if you want to have any words wrap some things up I think you've covered
most of it obviously thank you to everyone also in the chat keeping us company throughout
the splits and all of these lovely days and I just want to bring give a big shout out
to all of the players as well in this downtime between the race obviously you won't be
catch being able to catch me and teapot and the other casters here on the method
broadcast, but you can always check out the players stream. So do that, check out all these players
like worst and all the other streamers, give them support, give them some love and hopefully we
see them all back next year or well next year. Oh, yes, I absolutely cannot wait. I love the
Race to Worlds first and I know that method are going to be coming back strong and the road
to worlds first will continue fast here at method. But I think that is going to do it. That is the end
of the show. An incredible finale to an incredible race. Thank you all so much for watching. I really
hope you've enjoyed the show. Take it easy, my friends. We will see you all next time. We'll
catch you on the replay for now. That's it. Take it easy, gamers. We're out of here. Bye bye.
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